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Lakers Fall To Bucks, Andre Drummond Injured In Debut

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Lakers Fall To Bucks, Andre Drummond Injured In Debut

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles. Yes. Here's the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane off. Hello Lakers Nation, welcome and Chevrolet in here for lakersnation.com your home for everything Lakers solo show. Just me and all of you tonight coming in from YouTube from Faith from Periscope. The Lakers do fall to the Milwaukee Bucks and Andre Drummond's debut drum. It also got injured in this debut. Why can't we have nice things? What is going on a Andre Drummond gets hurt. Hopefully, it's nothing serious. We're going to keep an eye on Twitter while we are streaming live here and and hopefully we'll get a good update there so far. What we know is the x-rays are negative thoughts big toe injury. Hopefully, he will be just fine, but did have to leave the game early tonight again in his Lakers debut. Not what we wanted to see certainly but again, the Lakers do fall to the Milwaukee. Box was not a pretty game started off pretty good. In fact, there was a point there in the first quarter where I thought maybe this is it right? We've been saying all along that at some point. The Lakers are going to surprise us enough guys are going to get home. They're going to beat a team that you're not expecting them to beat and I thought maybe this is the night after we saw them knocked down all those threes in the first quarter. They had a nice lead and then everything fell apart and they're shooting went back to the way. It's been which is terrible. They couldn't make anything and that was pretty much the ball game, but we're going to break this whole thing down. I'm going to be taking your questions and comments coming in from YouTube from Facebook from Periscope for the last time. I believe from Periscope because I think Periscope is shutting down and then it's going to be moving over to Twitter. But whatever we will we will navigate that but anybody come in and watching this live will be taking your questions and comments, of course giving away Lake nation, license plate frames. So if you hear me call your name during the show again, it's just me and all of you so I'm probably going to be calling a lot of names tonight. All you got to do shoot me a DM on Twitter at Trevor underscore Lane and I will send you a log. Education.com license plate frame just make sure you include your name your mailing address and email address. And of course for all of you listening over on Apple podcast or Google podcast Spotify wherever thank you for listening to the podcast version of the show as well. Okay, let's get into some of the stats and things like that of this game Lakers small one-twelfth the 97 twenty five and ten for Giannis antetokounmpo 8 for thirteen shooting him nice efficient performance, you know, you look at the Bucks tonight. The Lakers really caught them on the wrong night, right? The Clippers got a terrible performance from the Bucks a couple of nights ago and the Clippers beat the Bucks and it was a blowout and when I saw that I thought that's not good. Usually if they are a better team in the NBA and they get blown out the game before they come back the next game with something to prove and that's kind of what we saw here because again 54% shooting from 3 from the Bucks and a lot of those were contested not to say the Lakers defense was perfect. But the Lakers did a pretty nice job contested job. And the Bucks did a really nice job knocking down contested shots time and time again 53% from the field from them flip that over to the Laker side. And oh my gosh is that get ugly? The Lakers LED 32-24 at the end of the first quarter and finished the game shooting forty percent from the field 28% from 3. That's the game. That's I mean, you can't win a basketball game shooting that way particularly against one of the best teams in the NBA. If you have LeBron James and Anthony Davis that gives you margin for error we've talked about this a ton. The Lakers team right out there two stars has no margin for error. It does not exist. They have to be good in every single category in order to stay even with a good team like the Milwaukee Bucks. They need them to have an off-night thousand acres are not able to do that 30 plus you throw in 22 turnovers on the night and there you go. That's a blowout loss in the making Andre Drummond in his debut. 14 minutes 246 we had heard he was going to play 30 minutes coming to the night but 246 shooting they ran a lob play to start the game did not go as planned. He wasn't able to finish the dunk over to Friday through line to assist one board one block. It was a very nice block by the way. I'm going to talk about German quite a bit tonight, but I really don't think this was that bad of a debut from him. I think this was a very good introduction though into what he's good at and what he's not good at and I have a feeling a lot of you already know because it really stood out terms of where he was seeing success and we're here or not and I think the areas where he saw success are things that will translate when LeBron James Anthony Davis come back and the areas he wasn't seeing success in our areas that will be minimized win-loss a nadie come back. So I'm actually not discouraged by this outing for him assuming that he is healthy and still good to go Kyle kuzma 16 points, but just 149 from 3 can't log. Seven boards three assists one steal for him Markieff Morris nice night from him fifteen and six 3 or 5 from 3548 shooting just a solid night from the veteran got to a lot of loose balls tonight kept some plays alive for the sneakers. He gotta like that Dennis Schroder 17 and 8 but 6 for 18 shooting three turnovers, not terrible for guy handling the ball as much as he did. But again 6 4 18 shooting that will not get it done. And then Montrezl Harrell really the only player of notes. Well, okay West Matthews to off the Lakers bench 19 points five boards for mantras in 26 minutes 7 or 7 from the lines. That's nice from him. And then West Matthews 347 from three four boards three steals nine points. I thought this was a better West Matthews performance at one point defensively which was tremendous. I think he really benefited from having played last season with the Box because he recognized exactly what they were doing a few times and just stepped into the right spot and made some nice place. So overall decent night from West. All right, let's get into your questions and comments coming in again from YouTube. From Facebook from Periscope. Let me see what you guys have. Got hopefully we're not all too negative here. I mean I went into this game assuming this was going to be a loss for the Lakers because the Bucks is a good team. The Lakers have not looked good recently. They've really struggled without LeBron James and Anthony Davis which shocker Supply surprise surprise the Lakers struggle without two top 5 NBA players out there on the floor, but still you'd like to see a little bit better, but curious to see what you guys think and what your questions are here. So let's get into that and let's give away some of these lakersnation.com license plate frames Mamba forever. All right. Let's see. I have a lot of comments coming in. A lot of people not too happy right now with everything that we're seeing right at the moment and and look not surprised not surprised. People asking for updates on Anthony Davis. So we've got nothing right now. All we have is the same update we got about a week ago and that's that. He's still a few weeks away Frank Vogel said, he was still a ways away though. That was the terminology. He used so often sound like you'd be back anytime soon. I would guesstimate and this is completely rough. Just throwing this out. There may be a couple of weeks. I mean, he's been out since Valentine's Day February 14th, That's that's not great. That's a long time to be without a d. I've got a few people that are saying that the Lakers are going to make the playoffs. I think they're still going to make the playoffs. I'm not too worried about that. Again. This was a game. We looked at the schedule and we said oh that's a loss. It's not like and they took the last game the Orlando Magic I would be much more concerned you have to win the games. You're supposed to win like Friday night's game against the Sacramento Kings. That's a winnable game. That is a winnable game going to be important that they win that one Sunday's game against the Clippers. I'm looking at that as a loss. That's probably what's going to happen there. But if they win Friday's game then at least you're staying at 500 with those two games and losing tonight's game again was not a surprise. This isn't like, oh my gosh, they just lost the wolves and now The Skys Falling because they really are the worst team in the NBA know I think that this team is going to pick up wins, but I'm not expecting them to be one of the best teams in the league when you're missing LeBron, and you're missing Anthony Davis. Avery sworn said dude, stop making excuses. Yes, we were without their stars, but they still played like trash defensive effort was trashed turnovers everything about the team looks bad guys. It blows my mind. How many people where if we say anything to explain the context of the game just assume all that's an excuse. What what do you expect? Do you really expect a team that is missing to change players to come out here and beat one of the best teams in the NBA is that look it could definitely look better. There's no question have the Lakers look bad. Yes, right. It's okay to be frustrating but we also have to provide some context and we have to remember that this team was built to play with those guys. So we should expect some adversity here. This is what we said a couple of weeks ago when LeBron went down when Anthony Davis was already out we said there's going to be rough times ahead. We said we're gonna have to weather the storm. It's not going to be pretty for a little while we expected this. Hey, we knew there were going to be some problems, but I love it if they look better job. I love it. If Dennis Schroder really stepped up and it was scoring efficiently and was getting guys going on the offensive end absolutely are their concerns. Sure. Absolutely we can say that there's some concerns with some effort bought a defensive and we can say that they looked a little bit defeated tonight. No question. They're okay. But again, we have to make sure that we put this into context this team looks completely different page when everybody's healthy, but that's the way it is when you have a very top-heavy team like the Lakers. J strong twelve said what do you think's going on with Caruso? Yeah, you know what and you guys know I loved what we saw from Alex Caruso last season. I was one of the one that was pointing out all the different things that he did off the ball that might not jump off the screen to you. If you're just watching the game but impacted winning Caruso has been a guy took her a long time has said he doesn't like being the best player on the floor. It's not it's not his game not to say that he is the best player here, but he likes playing off of other guys who are really good. That's when he's at his best when a defense is paying more attention to somebody else and he can be kind of sneaky out there on the offensive and make these little backdoor cuts and things like that and then just fill a role on the defensive end of the floor just be at the right spot took right time and do those sorts of things and not be asked to do too much now he kind of is and we're seeing him struggle and that's not to say he's had a great season. Anyway, he started off hot from 3, but yeah, it's dead. It's been tough for cruise. So he got Master locked last game last game Caruso got Master like because he was not good tonight for boards to assist who steals one block six points 347 shooting though. It's the finishing the rim then I think is really concerning me. He's been a little bit more aggressive tonight attacking we did see him get the dunk on Jonas at the end also got blocked on another dunk attempt, but Caruso has just been out of sorts celebrant and Anthony Davis went down and I don't think he was playing quite up to speed before that either and I do wonder if there's maybe any any lingering effects from the concussion that he suffered if he came back so quickly. I don't know if there's something going on there, but something does seem to be off with him and hopefully that's going to get turned around sooner rather than later. But but yeah, no question. If you're saying Cruise has not been playing. Well. Yeah, he is not. Omar Moran from YouTube said this Sunday we play the Clippers. Are we going to win sad lost today? I mean, I would say no, right I mean look and that's not me saying I want them to I wouldn't love the Lakers to beat the Clippers on Easter Sunday get the win. Right but reality is without LeBron about Anthony Davis against the top teams, even if the Lakers are great, press all areas. They probably just like the Firepower now back at some point. I still think they're going to surprise us. They're going to pick up a win that we're not expecting them to do somebody's going to get hot and the rest of the teams going to play well and they're going to shock us and beat a team that you wouldn't expect them to be off cuz that does happen in the NBA right now and then but I just don't see it happening Sunday against the Clippers Friday against the Kings. That's a chance. That's a chance to pick up a win. They had a chance to pick up a win against them right before the All-Star break and fumbled that away with like to see them get the job done and get a win against the Kings on Friday. People asking how long Drummond is going to be out? We don't know guys right now. We're waiting on word. What we know is X-rays were negative so injuries, I know we look at it and not think the towing who cares it's a tow. It doesn't even matter. It's a tiny little toe. You're going to be just fine bright walk it off, especially when it's your big toe. If you've ever injured you're busy so, you know how difficult it is to push off to have any kind of explosiveness if that toes hurt. Now, what we've heard is contusion that tells me maybe the tow got stepped on something like that happened. You can be painful but fingers crossed. Hopefully he is okay. Let's go ahead and use that into our Segway to talk about Andre Drummond, you know, I've seen a lot of people particularly from other teams around the NBA who were not happy the Lakers got Andre Drummond that right knee are piling onto social media and celebrating that Andre Drummond didn't put up a big stat line in his Lakers debut. I think tonight Andre Drummond really was pretty much what I am I expected him to be you guys saw exactly what we've talked about the things that you want to take out of his game and the things that I think you can take out when LeBron and Anthony Davis are back and that is on the offensive end. It's just the face up Play It's throwing in the ball on the wing and letting them go one-on-one. You guys saw why that's bad news. He got blocked at The Rim a couple of times. He turned the ball over a few times trying to dribble. It wasn't pretty take that out of his game and he's much more effective. I think defensively though you saw how he can be good. You saw a very quick reaction blocked from him. That was dead. Nice, you saw him challenged shots. Did he get scored on a few times? Yes, absolutely. But I also liked how quickly he was rotating out. There were a few times where the Bucks who tried to stretch you out by putting Brook Lopez out there, which is not ideal for Andre Drummond in his debut to play against another Center that just stands out of the three-point line. But Brook Lopez camped out of the three-point line Andre Drummond checked into the paint cut off a drive off got back out and contested Brook Lopez and that was really good. He was quicker than I expected him to be and I think that's the type of thing that when the bronze out there directing traffic on defense and you've got to Anthony Davis making up for mistakes. And if you've got a guy like Andre Drummond out there as well. I can see where that could really work. Now again, this was not a great debut from him. It's not like you're looking at them going. Oh my gosh. This is this is it. This is a call center of the future. It was just an okay performance. But yeah, I'm not I'm not looking at this too disappointed. We saw 14 minutes from a guy who hasn't played since February 12th, and and I thought We saw the good and the bad tonight. My hope moving forward is that you can take those bad things in there the parts of his game that are just not good and you can convince him to whittle that down turn those into Andre if you're going to get the ball and you're going to face up. It's in an emergency situation because the shot clock is winding down. That's that's when you're doing that. I thought his passing was pretty decent better than I expected there on that and otherwise said screens rolled to the basket be alarmed threat. That's what they need you to do on offense and then do what you've been doing on defense now and drop coverage against that team little bit tough, but I still think he did a pretty nice job putting in effort. He looked like I thought he was going to burn out the gas tank in the first quarter cuz he was sprinting up and down the floor every possession making sure that he got all the way down to protect the rim. So hopefully that is something that content that continues in terms of the effort and I'm not going to be too upset about Drummond's first outing. Bunny King he was solid is just a bunch of debts and Clippers maintaining. Yeah. I mean, look, there's you're going to get some other fans by the way Nets fans were awfully quiet last season and pretty much every season before that. I'd had suddenly now. There's a bunch of them's a little bit Golden State Warriors ask but yeah, that's that's becoming a thing. But yeah, of course other teams are going to jump in and they're going to cheer and all that kind of look when the magic beat the Clippers the other day. I posted to social media and I celebrated that too. It's part of sports the way it goes. J strong twelve said do you think we are asking too much of Talen horton-tucker right now? You know what this was a bad THD game? There's no question. This was bad and I don't want to give away my master lock in the night too early. But oh my gosh THD was awful awful awful. I think this was his worst performance of the Season 1 4 for shooting six turnovers, six turnovers one board one assist. Now, if you look on paper you look at this matchup and you think okay Milwaukee, what do they do? Right. What is it that they really do defensively they cut off the paint. They give up. Three's what is Jalen Horton Tucker? Not good at 3 S. What? Is he good at getting to the rim? That's right now. So yeah that that's not good that you've got a Bucks team. That's really good at protecting the rim and Talen Horton Tucker does most of his damage at the rim. And so if you take that away that can be a problem and there were a few times we're forcing the issue heater off all over but regardless, it was still just not a good performance for him again. I think this was this might have been his worst performance of the season the turnovers were particularly bad, even he finally made a really nice playground. Steel on Giannis and Jonas fell down just just fell down on the play. And so the referees blew the whistle and Rob Taylor horton-tucker of a chance to get out in transition. This was the first half and I was thinking that was it thought that was the moment where you would have just done something positive and something could have got him going the other way. He could have built off of that but you know hit the floor and so that was that and it went the other way foul against ghd thought you just continued to spiral downward from there by the way did not change the outcome of the game, but the officiating the night was pretty rough there were I mean, look, how does Jonas get away would not give you a flavor valve for for throwing the elbow at West Matthews that was pretty bad and yet no flagrant nothing like that gets called for for any of that. He'd could have easily picked up one of those just got picked up for an offensive foul. And then of course the Phantom felt Kentavious Caldwell-Pope goes to contest doesn't touch Jonas Jonas misses the dunk hits the front of the rim and dead. There it is foul on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope mind-blowing stuff, but again as frustrated that can be I don't think that change the outcome of tonight's game. 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A lot of people are thrown in all kinds of different stuff here. This guy 177 from YouTube said if you sign one more player to the Lakers, who is it? I mean at this point right now, the market is looking pretty thick ideal situation would be Otto Porter Jr. Gets bought out from the Orlando Magic if that happens number one top of my list. That's the guy that I would want to see come to the Lakers three in Dewitt Defender. Yes all day bring that to LA but right now he's not a free agent of what we're hearing is that the magic probably aren't going to part ways with them. So at this point we're kind of in a holding pattern we're waiting to see if anybody else gets bought out if Avery Bradley gets bought out by the Houston Rockets, that could be another name that's out there but he's not a true Wing Defender because Avery Bradley's only six two he can play up a bit because it's got a pretty long wingspan. So that allows them to guard guys that are bigger than he is but still he just doesn't quite have that size that you'd be looking for. So he's an option and he's certainly something that somebody that I'm interested in. I've seen a lot of people in the chat Interesting Avery Bradley, I wouldn't hate that but he's not my number one choice a guy like a mo harkless Otto Porter Jr. Those types of guys the guys that are you know more that 6:00 7ish range and can shoot me a little bit. That's what I'm looking for on this team and my goodness. Can we get three point shooter? Somebody who can hit it consistently because the Lakers three point struggles have been pretty bad. So we do need to give away. We need to do the next man up award though. So let's do that right now and and spread a little bit of positivity for the moments. Here we go next man up. All right, the next man up award. You know what tonight is a tough one and not a tough one in a good way. There's times when the next man up award is really tough because there's so many good players off tonight there weren't that many people that I thought really had a great game. And so that was definitely frustrating. Some people are throwing in that it should be Montrezl Harrell. You know what Montrezl Harrell gets this award just about every single night and he did have three turnovers turnovers tonight. I'm not going to go with him. I'm not going to go dress and that's not saying a bad game, but he gets it all the time. So due to voter fatigue, I'm going Markieff Morris. I'm going with Keith. I thought he had a really nice performance tonight 15.6 boards two of two from the line 3 or 5 shooting five of eight month old. He was one of the few Lakers who could put the ball in the basket tonight. And so because of that I'm giving him the next man up award for tonight. He was also asked to defend Yiannis a few times which is probably not really in his wheelhouse but that's you know, not in anybody's wheelhouse really he's a very tough guy to cover but Markieff accepted the challenge he he fought he battled and again, the offensive production has got me thinking that he should get this award tonight. So I'm going Markieff Morris and go with him. Alex Lyon from from Alex Lyon from YouTube said everyone gets Master locked except for Markieff Morris. I love it. I love it. I'm I'm checking to see oh All right. We have an update on Andre Drummond. That does not sound good. Andre Drummond said his whole toenail was gone after Brook Lopez stepped on his right big toe in the first quarter. And that's coming from our own Ryan ward off Yanks. That's I look I have done that. I've done that. I've experienced that injury. It is not fun. It hurts and it does not feel good for a little while Andre Drummond saying he was just come back better than ever. But when exactly we're not sure well, hopefully we will get some more positive updates here and Andre Drummond. There's a quote from Germany said my head is hi. I'm going to take a day by day and come back better than ever. Andre Drummond also said I've lost a toenail before but this was very very painful. Yeah, that's that's not an easy thing to get through. That's for sure. Hopefully, he will be good to go for Friday's game cuz Friday, I think he really could make a difference. But again without a toenail here's the thing I can say this from having done this my song it hurts for the first few days and can be really sensitive. But usually it starts feeling better after that pretty quickly and then and and I'll say this to you. I would rather lose the toenail completely than get the situation where you get, you know, the the blood accumulating under the nail and then you get all that pressure. It's easier to walk actually without the toenail once you get in that situation. So I'm hoping that this is something that will go away quickly. But again if he's got a serious contusion there because of you've got a big do Brook Lopez, who is is seven one heavy game. I stepping on your foot there could be other issues there too. But fortunately the x-rays did come back negative. So it's not a break. Somebody said when it when it rains it pours. Yeah, I agree. I agree Kenya. Let's take anywhere a steel toe. No, I am pretty sure that is against NBA wage policy. You can't do that and Samoa versus everybody from YouTube said said the injury Gods hate us. Yeah, this is not The Lakers finally get somebody coming in and he gets hurt in his debut when the Lakers have been so struggling so badly missing LeBron and Anthony Davis. tough tough tough tough Christian marua said Schroeder is not being consistent for being so greedy. You know, I don't think we've done a live show but we've gotten to talk about the latest update on shooter yet. So let's dive into this because it's really interesting. So Dennis Schroder according to reports this comes from Brian windhorst of ESPN Turned Down For Years, eighty four million from the Lakers an extension and I'm shocked I'm shocked because up until that point we have been operating under the belief that okay. Well, you know Dennis Schroder in the Lakers, they're far apart. But if the Lakers come up money-wise done damage that that is the sticking point right now. It's money and if the Lakers get there if the Lakers give Shooters much as they can he's going to sign this thing, right and he'll just stay stay long-term. Okay, they tried to trade him for Kyle Lowry and that's when I started thinking maybe this situation is worse than we're thinking it is if the Lakers are at the point where they're trying to trade him away. And then this comes out and it kind of makes sense. Now why the Lakers would be putting him into a Kyle Lowry trade because if they're offering an extension, they are referring they are offering as much as they are allowed to give him. They can't give em a bigger bigger extension than that. There is no extension bigger than four years. Eighty four million that they are allowed to offer him right now and 21 million per year. Is I mean at the very least it's market value. It might even be considered an overpay. So what is happening is Dennis Schroder expecting to get more than this on the open market? Does he just want to be a free agent that badly I want to go through the free-agent process. Or does he just not want to be a Laker? I mean you have to start wondering these things and that's why it makes so much sense that the Lakers got so aggressive going for Kyle Lowry. Now it all makes it funny. Cuz if you're the Lakers and shrewder walks if she won't commit right now when you were offering him as much money as you possibly can you can't offer him more than this right. Now. This is it's not a Max contract. So I hesitate to use this word, but it is not a Max in terms of what the Lakers are allowed to offer. They literally cannot give him more and he's saying no still saying no still declining that what what else are you supposed to do knowing that if you walks you lose him for nothing if he walks in the summer the Lakers can't replace him there an over the cap team. It's not like they suddenly have cap room to go spend. So yeah, that's that could be a problem that could absolutely be a problem. Now, I will say though that sugar has consistently said I want to be a lake. But his actions don't show that his actions do not show that and so that's where there's cause for concern right now Shooters actions don't suggest that he wants to be a Laker or maybe he just really believes that there's going to be more money out there this summer but I find that hard to believe and why are you willing to take the risk of an injury between now and the summer and the off season or maybe the risk of a bad playoff series might that impact your market value I get that being a free agent is an attractive thing for an NBA player particularly if you're an NBA player that's in demand right for some Play Break Free Agency is not good because you're trying to find a contract you're keeping your fingers crossed and you're hoping that your NBA career continues for other guys that are in demand free agency is awesome. Right you're getting teams coming to you in a pitching you they're giving you all kinds of stuff. They're talking about how how they Envision you playing with their team. They're trying to woo you and it's a fun process. But is it so fun that you're going to turn down the kind of money? The Lakers were offering? Something's not right there. That's that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Now again, it doesn't mean that Reuters done with the Lakers doesn't mean that it's all over that. He's definitely leaving or anything like that, but it's not a great sign and it's something to Absolute keep an eye on moving forward here now again, even if he decides to leave Might not be the end of the world. Maybe they can work out a sign-and-trade but it's strange that the Lakers are offering of that much money, and he's saying no. Maybe he's hearing that there's going to be more out there on the market but it is it is a bit weird. Daniel Middleton from Facebook said this offseason is going to be tricky. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Good quote here from Markieff Morris. The Lakers have no season-ending injuries. And so that's why he's still optimistic that the Lakers are going to be fine because they have no sneaking injuries guys are going to come back and then hopefully they will be playing a bit better. Bob Bill said who would pay him more than twenty 1 million. So there's some teams out there right now that we're loading up on cap space for this offseason thinking that Jonas off Anthony Davis Paul, George. All these other guys were going to be out there all these Stars we're going to be out there in the market and then most of them re-upped with their incumbent teams. And so what that means is the money is still out there, but the talent isn't the Stars aren't there. And so the thinking is that some guys are going to get overpaid not everybody cuz there's not that much money off but somebody's going to get overpaid because these teams have money they're going to spend it on somebody somebody's going to get more than they should maybe Dennis Schroder feels like that's going to be him. But more than 21 million. I just don't see it looked at Dennis Schroder is a good player. I'm happy. He's a Laker. I think that was a fantastic trade that they made 28th pick and Danny Green for Dennis Schroder. Excellent trade. Okay, no problems with that, especially a twenty-seven-year-old Dennis shooter. His timeline fits Anthony Davis's timeline his skill-set fits with the Lakers need but you can see it right now right now, you're seeing the issue with Dennis Schroder and it's not an issue when LeBron Anthony Davis are there but Traders just he's not the kind of guy that can make everybody around him better. He could step up his game and he came to the Baltimore but it's not like he's going to instantly be creating tons of up and looks for everybody else. That's not the kind of point guard. He is if he was if he could do that too, then yes, he absolutely should turn down twenty 1 million cuz he's going to get a lot more FAQ. But he's not he's a Score first point guard. I don't see them getting more than 21 I could be wrong. And if he and if I am and he gets more great for him, but it's a tough situation now for the Lakers. All right, guys, let's get into the Master Lock of the night. We have a few probably too many options here right now. So here we go. And off all right, the Master Lock of the night again. Unfortunately, I've got way too many options right off of thinking man. There's so many guys that we can Master Lock tonight. I mean Kyle kuzma's 3-point shooting. It's not good. What was he 149? Yeah. I mean that that could be Master Lock worthy the imagery bug should absolutely be mastered log for injuring a hundred drum and while LeBron James and Anthony Davis are already out heard so many different options here to Master Lock, but I really think there is one That stands Above the Rest as the one who was probably the most irritating tonight. And I hate to say it. Talen Horton Tucker tht tonight is your night to be put in the Master Lock. Hopefully though this loosens him up a bit and Friday's game against the Kings. He finds a lot more success. But tonight in in 17 minutes tht was 144 shooting 142 at the free throw line missed the only three he took one board one assist and six turnovers somehow he was still upon us to in plus-minus which was one of the higher numbers on the team, but not a good night at all from Talen horton-tucker again. I looked at this as potentially being his worst game this season. Yeah, and again on paper you would expect them to struggle in this game, but it was worse than I would have expected. The turnovers were pretty bad from tht. He just never got it going. So I'm you know, fingers crossed. I hope that he comes out next game and he plays a lot better. But tonight this this was rough 8 and legendary from Aidan be legendary. Sorry from YouTube said turn over HTE. Yeah, he was definitely turning the ball over quite a bit the cam Brothers put out their tunnel vision horton-tucker or something to that effect. Yeah. I was it was not good the th nice night certainly did not stand for Dynamite. Gamer monster 5 from YouTube Trevor. Are you worried about our chemistry with our players having not played much together. Sorry the rest of the question flew past me but I get the I get the juice are we worried about chemistry given that most of the guys are not going to have a lot of time playing together while the longer people are out the longer it takes the Lakers to get to full strength before the playoffs start Yeah, the more of a concern that becomes right now. The Lakers are banking on here for a hundred percent completely off time. We're good weather where the 5 seed the 6 seed whatever we've got a great shop because we've got LeBron we've got any Davis with a healthy team we could get this done but the longer this goes on the longer Anthony Davis stays out by the way. I mean look a d when he first went out we were talking about page right after the All-Star break right after the All-Star break. He's back those three weeks ago. Three weeks ago and here we are still no Anthony Davis. He's been out almost two months, right Valentine's Day. He got hurt February 14th, and we knew the Lakers were going to be conservative with these guys. And so that makes sense. But you're right at some point with LeBron out for another however, many weeks the Anthony Davis out for probably a couple more weeks. At least, you do have to start worrying do they have enough time to really gel on the court and bring that chemistry together, especially because if this was last year's Squad and it was all the guys they brought back from last year and they were still dealing with injuries. You could say, well, you know, what when everybody's healthy they'll get back together. This team's been together for a year and half now, they're fine know there's a lot of new faces and now they added another one and Andre Drummond dead and there's another one coming the Lakers still have an open roster spot. There's going to be another new player coming in and so getting all of those pieces to jail does get a little bit tricky. I'm not sounding the alarm here. I'm not saying Thursday. Eyes falling it's all over anything like that down here what I'm not saying, but the closer we get to the playoffs. The fewer games left on the schedule the more that becomes a concern and again, we're not close to seeing LeBron and Anthony Davis background on the court just yet. So hopefully they get back. But again, the most important thing is that they get back at 100% not 95% and they're going to try to get it out. And then you get a recurrence of an injury that is what can happen. They have to be truly one hundred percent to put them back out on the floor despite the factory concerns which are valid. Al Coral Master Lock Drummond's tow. I don't know if basically that would be possible to put a master lock on a tow be pretty tough. Although I guess we Master Lock abstract things the time and you know, we're talking about maybe maybe Master locking the injury bug which doesn't I mean that's like Master locking a tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny or something like that. Yes, heading into Easter weekend off talking about putting the master lock on the Easter Bunny, but I guess it would be the equivalent of that if you can Master Lock the injury bug, I guess you could Master Lock a tow in theory. Somebody asked when will they brainwash them in from YouTube When will they be allowed to start practicing like normal again said no one cares about covid-19 more. You know, what'd look good covid-19 has been going in the right direction. And so that's absolutely a pause. We're hearing about fans coming back Disneyland opening like this is this is wonderful, right? This is great to here, but we're not out of the woods yet with all of that and it's going to be up to the NBA. It's not like they can just the team can just wash our hands up and say, you know what guys what ever the the league says this but you're fine just come and practice know they have to follow what the League's Protocols. Are you have to those are the rules. So I don't know exactly when the practice schedule will truly open up for the Lakers. We know they practice the last couple of days cuz they had two days in a row off. So that was certainly helpful, but I would expect the practice schedule to lighten up a bit as they get closer. But at the same time it's not just the cobit stuff that's limiting practice. It's also the condensed schedule remember they they Chopped n games off to see For this year 72 games instead of 82, but they put it in such a shorter timeframe that even though there's 10 games less those games still come faster than a regular season because it's been condemned so much if we had an eighty-two Game season, you would see a lot more instances where the Lakers have in a regular time frame. You would see more instances of two nights in a row off that's been a real Rarity for the Lakers. That's pretty much all year. They've been playing every other day if not back-to-back which makes it difficult to squeeze in practices as well. So that that's a factor there too. It's not just covet stuff that's limiting practice. Envelopes when will drumming be back. He says he's going to be back better than ever but usually when guys say that they are actually hurt. So I don't know. I don't know what this point wage to play it by ear. They're going to wait and see how it's feeling tomorrow, but not great. I mean his entire toenail got ripped off. So that's that's not great. All right, guys, we're going to do a few more before we call it a night here. Okay, Julian Harris from YouTube said I don't understand how Dennis leaves we won't have the cap room to replace him. Please explain further. Okay. So look the cap is let's say the cap is for this season. It was at home and nine million and the Lakers have added all these players you already had Danny Green under contract. They've gone over the cap by using some some exceptions right some things that you can use to go over the cap like veteran-minimum. You can be above the salary cap and continue to spend if you're using veteran-minimum contracts, you can use as many of those as you want if you're not hard cap, but that's a whole other discussion. So there's ways that you can keep spending down the cap. There's a mid-level exception which the Lakers used to give Montrezl Harrell money so you can be over the cap and still use that so you can keep spending even though you're already over the cap. That's why it's called a soft cap. If it was just a plain hard cap. There's a ceiling that no matter what you can't cross then the Lakers don't have Montrezl Harrell. They don't have Wesley Matthews the the whole NBA has changed right but because it's a soft cap. There are ways that you You can spend above the cap. So the Lakers are well above it. In fact, they're into the text. They're into the luxury tax because they're so high above this cap problem is Dennis Schroder 16 million only lowers you down so much because you've spun so far above the cap because it's a soft cap. It doesn't lower you down enough to where you're below it. The only way you have cap room to spend is if your lower down below that cap. I hope that make I hope I'm explaining that in a way that that makes sense. But again schruder 16 million does not put them below the line because they've used exceptions and things to spend so far above the salary cap. Okay, it's just taking a little dent out of it. And that's about it. It's not putting you down low enough to where you now have more money to go spend. So that's why if the Lakers lose schruder, they can't really replace them. That's why the Lakers so far. The name of the game has been Talent retention hanging on to the guys that they have because you can't replace them if they would leave because that cap situation. Hopefully that made sense. The salary cap is going up. Yeah, but it's not going up by that much. I think of the last projections we had was it was going to go from 109 to 112. If it was shooting up to a hundred thirty sure right then we could then we could talk. It's going up like three million. It's not going to go up much. Remember the the NBA has been without fans for the motion without fans in arenas. Even Arenas that do have fans have been nowhere near full revenue is has not been good. So yeah, the salary caps not going to go up a lot off. Tom Lee from YouTube said cousins to the Clippers. I know and you know what gets me it's on a 10-day contract for hearing a 10-day contract for DeMarcus Cousins. I hope I put this out on Twitter. I hope he does phenomenal. I hope he does great. I feel for the guy. I mean one Serious injury after another after another would love to see him get his career back on track and not have it derailed by injuries. Would love to see him get going find a role in the NBA that lets him continue playing for as long as he wants to I really hope that for him because it's a it's an unfortunate situation. You see a player that talented just get hammered by one injury after another hate seeing that but at the same time as much as I want good things for Boogie, I hope he loses every single game. Because he's going to be a Clipper. So I hope for I hope Boogie has great success and he's able to make this come back and he gets a big contract on the summer because he plays so well, I'd love to see that for him. But I hope that comes with a lot of losing too. My email from YouTube Trevor. How worried are you one to ten about this team gelling in time. So I am right now, I'm probably a five month. Five in terms of worry, I mean like it's a concern but I'm also not panicking over it or anything like that. It's something to consider. Absolutely. It's not nothing. That's for sure. But again, it's not this isn't like sound the alarms were in big big trouble here LeBron. Anthony Davis comes back. Come back things could just click and everything's good. All right, so I'm not looking at this like this is definitely a problem, but it could be and the longer this goes on the longer a deal LeBron stay out the last time they're going to have to ramp things up before playoff time. It's just a fact All right, let's go one more. And before we even get to this I should have mentioned this and when we did the Master Lock, but I should have mentioned this before. And and I didn't but congratulations Chris Masters NW heavyweight champion Chris Masters who's going to be back on the show soon. I think he was looking at some dates here in early April he's coming back but congratulations Chris if you if you follow him on on Instagram, you saw he posted a bunch of pictures of his when you can go follow him over there at Chris Masters 310. So congrats Chris very cool to see him win the heavyweight championship. So that was awesome stuff for him. And again, he has been sending me text messages and stuff and we've been talking like Hershey's he's excited to come back on. So yeah, don't worry. He will come back. All right, we're going to do one more. where somebody said Master Lock Chris Masters you do that. Good luck. See how that turns out for you give that a try. Somebody said the champion lock. Yep, gotta love that. All right looking for one more solid one. All right, let's do this. Let's do this. Oh no. Oh, no, just in quit Santa from YouTube. Can we sign Curry? I'm assuming you mean Steph Curry. Oh boy. So this was going around because again Brian Winters from ESPN started throwing out there that LeBron was recruiting Steph Curry during the All-Star break and they all start game that their talent around that type of thing off and horse the same days. He's been with LeBron for a long time. He knows what it looks like. So I'm not saying he's wrong at all. Curry's can Curry can extend with the worries of believe. He's thirty-three now, he can extend wage Warriors, but if it doesn't offer an extension, then he could eventually become a free agent. It's extremely unlikely. Everything we've seen is that Steph Curry wants to finish his career as a Golden State Warrior is not going to leave. But LeBron also has a way where sometimes things just work out. Is this a surprise that LeBron might be, you know, quote unquote recruiting staff wage, you know, not surprised cuz why wouldn't it right? He's a really good player. And if he thinks there's any chance any little bit of doubt in steps mind that he wants to finish with the Warriors and might be consider moving. Why wouldn't you say? Hey look, I know. It's a long shot, but Sometimes Longshots pay off right sometimes thinks things that you wouldn't expect to happen wind up happening. I mean who would have thought Kwame Brown would get traded for practice all and yet that happened sometimes crazy stuff happens in the NBA and so it's worth a shot. But again, I would just file it away. Just remember it that long and was kind of planting that seed but it's extremely extremely unlikely, okay. Chris is is watching the show. Chris just texted me. He is watching the show right now. And I think he's a little bit behind with it. So he hasn't gotten to our our congratulations for winning the championship, but I'm sure he's going to get there shortly. All right guys, I appreciate all of you for coming in your I know it's a rough night. Absolutely. It's a tough one to see the Lakers continued to struggle and look off. It's particularly tough because the last game against the magic it was not like it was a win but it wasn't a pretty win. It was a way in where they didn't play very well. So it feels bad right now, even the games they're winning are not that fun to watch. It feels like it's been a long time since we've seen the Lakers play well and that makes it a grind but I'm going to say what I said when LeBron first went down. It's going to be tough bring some tough times, but the hope is that within the next few weeks, right? They come back you get your stars back healthy, hopefully build some chemistry and then you're off and running heading for the NBA Playoffs. Okay, keep your head down. Keep moving forward times are tough right now, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel like Markieff Morris said, these aren't season-ending injuries. Right right now is not fun. But there is promise of a brighter future and I'm not talking about future Seasons. I'm talking about potentially bringing home an 18th NBA championship game this season, but gotta get healthy first and that means going through all these difficult times and enduring that and watching these games that frankly can be hard to watch life. But stay the course stay strong. We'll get through it together. I'll be right here throughout the entire thing guys. We will continue to do these post game shows will continue to post videos over on the Lakers Nation YouTube. And we will we will find a way through heck. 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Lakers Defeat Magic, Andre Drummond Signs

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Lakers Defeat Magic, Andre Drummond Signs

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles is the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane. Hello Lakers Nation welcome and Trevor Lane here for lakersnation.com. This is the lakersnation.com live postgame show the Lakers did pick up the wind against the Orlando Magic nothing magical about it. That was not a pretty basketball game. But at least they won. So we'll take that in this guy named Andre Drummond on the way. So not a bad day overall joining me tonight. Ron government from liquidation.com Ron. How are you doing, man? You know I'm doing well might need to cleanse my my basketball palette after that. That was one of the uglier games. I've seen in recent memory, but you know, what winds are winds we have to say that yeah, you know when we were coming into this game, I looked at this by the way final score 96-93 Lakers Lakers magic shot 39% from the way the Lakers shot 42% and 28% from 3. The paint on the rims is chipped off no doubt at this point, but we I came into this game thinking. This is a must-win as weird as that sounds for this to be a game against the Orlando Magic who just gutted their roster right just traded everybody away because they're now taking and rebuilding they traded away Nikola vucevic. They traded away Aaron Gordon traded away. Never Google Evan Fournier right traded all of these guys. And this is a must-win because you look at the Lakers schedule ahead. And there's not many games where you can say. Oh that that one could be a win there and without LeBron Anthony Davis you need every opportunity. You can get to stack up a few wins. I was concerned Midway through the fourth quarter that they might not get this and I think I texted you run like this. This could be the game or could have been had they lost it the game where we went from. Well, they're they're going to be okay. Maybe they fall to the six feet or whatever, but they're fine to me that they could really be in trouble. Yeah, I mean, we we were both very concerned. I mean at a certain point in the fourth quarter, you know, the magic had the lead. This is a really bad magic team. This is barely even a roster. I mean this is I'm just going to win this is just a collection of trade returns. This is not even a a cohesive basketball team. So I you know, there is some concern because you should win this game buy more even without LeBron and AD. I'm just super happy. They got the win all winds are vital. I don't care how they come at this point just wins before LeBron and they'd come back or great. Yeah. Absolutely. And that's that's big picture. We can't complain too much because it's a win and any when you can stack up right now helps you out right and so I shouldn't sound too negative here was an ugly game wasn't pretty the game. They clearly should have won by by a lot more and again like you mentioned. This is a Orlando Magic team composed to just spare parts that they've kind of thrown together here, and that's what they're going to have wage. For the rest of the season but again a win is a win and so we'll certainly take that and then of course Andre Drummond coming in we're going to be talking about that one too as people I'm seeing already commenting about that Ron when we're looking at this game and and we saw the way this played out with the number of mrs. I guess we can discount this but three Lakers had double-doubles tonight Montrezl Harrell Mark Morris Kyle kuzma was that just grit and determination or was that just the volume of mrs. Led to that? You know, I think you know, I want to give credit where credit is due for these players, but it really felt like they were just at The Rim I mean like walk outside of Mo Bamba. This was Wendell Carter. Jr. First game with with the magic. He he played like 20 minutes Mo Bamba played Seventeen, they don't really have like the staunch reject your types. So, you know three guys getting 11 rebounds. It might be a factor of that. I have to think given the fact that Markieff Morris and mom who are not known for like, you know, hauling in rebounds by the dozens. I have to think if Andre Drummond plays in this game he gets 30 Yeah, 30 what rebounds rebounds? Yeah and points good points too. Yeah am like this. He he this is where he would have dominated. Yeah. Absolutely. This is a game where he would have had like you said would have been like a 30 rebound game because he has monstrous on the boards and there wasn't a whole lot of people in there to contest anybody else that can really go up against him. So that would have been great to see I think we're going to see him on Wednesday, but we're going to talk about that a bit later in the show. Remember guys, if you hear me call your name, all you gotta do is send me a DM on Twitter will send you a lakersnation.com license plate frame. Send me your name. Your may I address your correct mailing address. You have to include your city your state and your ZIP code folks. You can't just tell me your street address. I wish I didn't get so many of those but you gotta give me your your name and address send me that and we will send you one of these lakersnation.com license plate frames Mamba forever. And with that being said, let's get into some of the questions and comments that we're seeing here. a lot of different Lakers fans coming in from Facebook from YouTube and from periscope Somebody asked when the Lakers are signing me. We want to see good basketball guys. We don't want to see we don't want to see bad basketball. We want to see good basketball good basketball. Okay, if you if you want to see more games like tonight by all means, you know, let's find the whole legalization staff. Absolutely. Absolutely. We we can definitely provide some bad basketball. That's for sure. All right. Let's see here. A lot of people celebrating. Celebrating Drummond. Okay. So I've got a question here from YouTube to be mc2 Binghamton. Great. Great name Why was it LeBron there with the team does this mean he's more injured than we thought what do you think about that? LeBron not not being there with the team. I don't I don't read into it too much. Yeah, I mean, you know LeBron and this is what players do them are injured. They they're not going to be there every single night, you know, when they can they'll be there but you know LeBron could be doing any number of things he could be at a doctors appointment. He could be rehabbing in the back. He could be at Staples Center wage don't know it but he also could have just said hey can I just get a night off and spend the time with my family like I mean, yeah, it's it's I don't read into it too much, you know, if he if he was going like weeks without being with the team and not communicating with anyone then I'd be concerned but miss a game. We know LeBron communicates with his teammates. Well, did you see the chamber that he's in he posted it to his Instagram story? No, I didn't. Yeah, he's got this. He's he took a picture of himself laying in this this chamber thing we've heard all about this and I wish I knew I'll have to ask Edwin poorest the doctor who comes on and gives us injury advisor. He knows exactly what it is because I don't know exactly that what the medical purpose for this is but it looks like LeBron is in this giant like almost looks like a coffin or or a tanning bed or something like that, but it's to download injury recovery and and he said that's going to be his recovery room or something to that effect. Like LeBron is is not taking this lightly. That's for sure. He is making sure that nothing is anything he can do to speed up the recovery process. He's doing it. Yeah, I mean estimates say that he's going to be out, you know sources have said that he's going to be out four-to-six weeks from the time of his injury. I know LeBron James is doing everything in his power to make that two weeks off probably unrealistic. But you know, that's LeBron. He wants to play I've got a comment here about Markieff Morris said Markieff Morris has really improved his shooting tonight Moss fiber 11:00 from the field but 246 from 311 boards one steal one block 12 points, you know, I don't think it's just the shooting I think overall Markieff Morris. This game has improved and we're seeing more off of the Markieff Morris that we saw in the playoffs last year. Not that he shouldn't quite that. Well, he was like 40-plus percent from 3 in the playoffs last season, but we're seeing more the guy we were hoping to see it took him a little while to get his legs under him and it really feels like that benching was a lifetime ago, and he's really turned the corner now that he is getting consistent minutes. It's very clear that Frank Vogel trust him. I still don't think he's truly a star birth. But once you get the guys back once you get LeBron back a d back the other AD coming in Markieff Morris, I think can be a valuable contributor Off the Bench. Yeah mark one thing about him is he really fits? Well, and you know at the beginning of the Season we were saying that line-ups that featured him and Montrezl Harrell together were like no go do not even try that. But over the course of the season the two of really built a chemistry together and I think Markieff is starting to play really well alongside. Basically everyone except for like Marcus all he doesn't really fit alongside Marcus all but every other Lakers big he really fits well next to because he kind of likes to Rome Rome the three-point line and then on defense he he doesn't want to get the biggest guy on the floor, but he's willing to you know, get into those dirtier matchups wage and it really fits. Well, I think there are going to be minutes where he plays alongside Andre Drummond or he plays alongside Montrezl Harrell Off the Bench and I think it's going to look really good. Yeah, I think that especially Come playoff time. He's the type of Veteran who can really step it up and give you something there and we're already seeing that the wacky one part from YouTube says could eighty-two Andre Drummond re-sign in the offseason, or will he walk? So here's the thing. I think we have to approach Andre Drummond as this is it for him? He gets this stint as a Laker and then he's probably going somewhere else most likely know if they decide everything works perfectly Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond combined famously. Well, maybe they decide. Hey, we're going to burn a full mid-level exception and keep you around Andre Drummond and even then it's still possible another team out there will offer more but the Lakers ability to keep him is extremely limited just like it's extremely limited to keep Montrezl Harrell because they are an over the cap team. So hanging on to Andre Drummond, I would suggest is pretty unlikely. So I'm looking at this as this is a great buyout signing. This is a great guy to add to your team, but probably this is going to be it for him if it turns out. Otherwise, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Prized but I'm going into this assuming this is probably going to be it for him. He's looking for his next big contract after this. Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong. I think with his they have the exact certain type of bird rights. I think it's called I forget the exact name of it, but I think the max they can offer him in any scenario is about six million dollars in the off-season. I'm pretty sure it's the same deal that that LaMarcus Aldridge has with the Nets where they can only re-sign him for a Max of like six million dollars which essentially means that if anyone's offer to Drummond more than six million dollars, which they will be cuz he'll be twenty. He'll still be twenty-seven years old like you'll still be in his prime, you know, if no one wants him. Yeah, we'll take em for you know, like three or four million bucks. That'd be pretty sweet. But it's unlikely. Yeah. Yeah, and so that's the way to approach I would imagine that's got to be non bird rights. They're that they're using that they would be using in that scenario, but I'd home. Go back in and double check to see exactly what the rules are as far as a bio candidate goes. Let's see Trevor. Do you think our chances of winning against decent teams without Anthony Davis and LeBron improved significantly with Drummond in the mix. So, what do you think? There's Drummond make the Lakers that much more likely to win these kinds of games. I mean, we're looking at their schedule coming up. I would assume that we're not looking at the Milwaukee Bucks and thinking even with drum and by the way, I think that's where he's going to make his debut as Wednesday against the Bucks. You have two days off in between that gives them some time to get acclimated but you've got the Bucks you've got the Kings the Clippers the Raptors maybe I guess the Kings he gets you a win that you otherwise wouldn't have but I don't think he's pushing you in front of the Milwaukee Bucks without a Deanne LeBron. I think that's wishful thinking Yeah, it's also really based on match up because you know, we have to you know, Andre Drummond is a great pickup. I'm not trying to get around that but but he is going to be match up based. There are certain games. We're just like Dwight Howard. He's better than Dwight Howard and Javale McGee, but just like those guys. He's going to get played out of some games and you know Milwaukee and the Clippers. Those are two games he could very quickly get played out of against Toronto. He might have some more success with the day of Aron Baynes. It might have some more success there and that matchup against the Kings, you know, maybe he'll have some success there. But you know, we he's not going to be a you know, total game-changer, you know, it's it's all winds from here on out. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, he's he's he's a very good Center he's good. Right? I think there's no question there, but he's not he's not all world or anything like that. So he'll look good alongside LeBron Anthony Davis, but laughing Much everybody else on the Lakers are just kind of hoping to tread water right now to LeBron and AD can get back. All right. I've got a few other people that are asking about West Matthews in his injury. From what I saw the last that I saw on West Matthews was he did get a little banged up on that last play Lakers players will talk to him to see if he needed help getting off the court, but he was able to walk off on his own. So I think that's a good sign. But until we hear something definitive. I don't want to say he's fine or anything like that. It did look like he was in some pain. So fingers crossed. Hopefully West Matthews is okay. Oh, I'm getting the obligatory Lance Stephenson, and people asking about him. You know, the Lakers do have one more roster spot still there is still one roster spot open. So somebody else is coming by the way guys. That's the that's what's really interesting is Andre Drummond. That's that's the best bio candidate on the market. I believe the Lakers just got the best player out there. Better than Aldridge better than Blake Griffin. They got the guy and they stole another spot open and people are asking about Otto Porter Jr. People are asking about Avery Bradley. They're asking about some of these other guys that might be out there on the market but the important part is the Lakers got the guy off but let's talk about Otto Porter Jr. Real quick before we get into the the man-of-the-match or the next man up a word run. What did you think about Otto Porter Jr. Cuz that's a guy that has been tied to buyout rumors for a while lot of Lakers fans. Ask and every show is he going to get bought out? Can we pick him up? What do you think about what we saw in him tonight? Well, I mean he missed that a game-tying three so I don't know if that was his way of saying hey, I'm just going to give you guys this win so I can get over there his audition. Yeah, I said hey, I'll miss this three for you guys. I'll get you in and then in about a week or request my bio know I mean look right now the plan appears to be in again. There's not a ton of sources out there about wage but the plan seems to be to keep Otto Porter on the magic for the remainder of the season. That's disappointing because he would be I mean if you're talking about it a perfect fit on the roster of the like available types of players. Yeah. He's he's the one but he will likely remain on the magic for the rest of the year that leads you to guys like Avery Bradley. I've always thought I mean for for the past couple of weeks since this has been discussed. I've always said that I he I don't think he's a perfect fit but I would take I would take him but yeah Otto Porter Jr. Would be the perfect fit if he became available. So little update here from Jovan buha of the athletic mentions that also our own. Ryann Ward through this in here Frank Vogel does not know about his availability for Wednesday's game just yet, but he did throw in that. He's really excited about this situation. And as excited as we are I think our team got a lot better. I agree coach Vogel. I agree. I think Lakers did get significantly better with the addition of Andre Drummond gives you a totally different look in the middle that everything you've seen was tonight the last night that we see starter Marcus all by the way. Well, look if Drummond plays Wednesday, he he will be in the starting lineup. I actually don't know like if it were up to me, I actually wouldn't play him Wednesday. He is not played basketball in in over a month and half now true. I think his last game was like February 12th or something. He hasn't played basketball in a really long time and I think he needs some time to get acclimated with the team. I did not know if I play him Wednesday. I think I told him out until either Sacramento or the Clippers. That's just me. I don't know what Vogel wants to do. I am really really excited about his addiction know like he is a flawed player. He is a flawed player he puts up a lot of bad shots and he has a he has this thing where he really likes to go back to the basket and like put a hook shot and he's like, he loves that he's terrible. It's so bad his efficiency was horrible. But every time I think about Andre Drummond's flaws, I go back to this one point and that is that Frank Vogel turned Roy Hibbert into a defensive player of the year winner. And if he can do Thursday. I mean the the potential with Andre Drummond is like so exciting to me because Andre Drummond is five times the player Roy Hibbert ever was and yeah, I'm real excited about it. I mean, you know what? I think a lot of it depends on Drummond's mentality, but look, you know Dwight Howard for years. It was you had to feed him in the post because otherwise he was going to complain and you knew it was efficient. You knew it was not the best thing for your offense, but you had to give them those touches so he would stay locked in on the defensive end and he helped you out so much there that you just kind of said, okay fine. We'll do it knowing that it was a bad basketball you gave them those post touches and then when Dwight Howard came to the Lakers that went away suddenly Dwight was just a catch and finish guy said heard screams rolled to the basket to all the little things that you asked him to do a job. If Drummond can do that if you can give up that whole I want to be a post player. Let me get the ball with my back to the basket 10 feet away from the rim. Maybe I'll turn and face up and try to drive and maybe lose the ball doing that way. If you can just eliminate that from this game, and I know maybe that's wishful thinking but we just saw Dwight do it last season. So I don't think it's completely out of the question you take that stuff out of his game and he becomes a much more valuable player because he's focusing just on the rebounding on the shop blocking at the RAM on all of the little things that the Lakers need them to do. So that's that's my hope here that we see a Dwight Howard s transformation off where you cut down the scope of his game in order to focus on the best parts. Yeah, and I think this is the first time in Drummonds career. Well, he will where he will not be asked to be the best or second-best player on his team. Right and drum is a good basketball player. He is not the best or second-best player on an NBA roster. I'm sorry. He can't be know we've seen we have seven years of it now to know that it doesn't work. He this is his chance to prove that he can be a role player and just like Dwight if he can prove that he's a role player. It's going to extend his career a lot longer and it's going to make him a much more valuable asset for years to come. So Stephen Smith from YouTube ask the question Trevor and Ron how do you see the Lakers Center rotation playing out now? They've got three centers, right? We've got Treads you've got Marcus all and of course bringing in Andre Drummond who we thought was probably promised the starting role promised big minutes. So how do you do this from here? If you're Frank Vogel and then we'll jump back into tonight's game a little bit cuz we got to do the next man up. Yeah, I mean sadly we talked about him earlier, but I think the person who's going to who's going to get the short end of the stick here is probably Markieff Morris. I imagine his minimum wage decrease a decent amount with drum and getting the starting role consol Casal and trez will sort of take that back up 5 slot depending on the matchup. But I mean if you're talking about dreads obviously takes priority in in these games over Markieff over Mark. He he takes priority in these games. So if the matchup is good for wage is here. Oh, it's kind of also good for Markieff Morris and that means that Treads will have priority. I think Markieff Morris is going to is going to lose a lot of minutes Mark Mark will either play like the 10 to 15 minutes. He's playing now, or he won't play at all. It'll be like really hot and cold for him. I think once drumming gets in I think trust will be largely unaffected. Are you thinking you tread slides to the four? Is that why you're saying Markieff Morris loses minutes? I think there will be times where treze will have to play before alongside Gasol. I think there will be times where he'll have to play the 4 alongside a d alongside Drummond dead. So I just think they're just they're going to be so many options at the five that trez will play less minutes at the five, which means he steals Marquis minutes at the for that makes sense. Yep. Yeah. No that makes sense. I think you have to be careful with it. I think treze can play the for like we have it hasn't worked out great. So don't get me wrong, but I think you have to have a shooter there. So maybe Marc Gasol, but again that has not worked out great so far, but realistically the solution is Anthony Davis, right? You can put treads in at the four or nominee nominally call them the four maybe he's really the five and a d is the four but whatever you took him on the floor with Anthony Davis and then you have enough shooting to where it doesn't matter. It's the it's the drum and trash combo as hellacious is that would be on the boards good. I mean Heaven Help a team trying to get a rebound against dead. Roman and Montrezl Harrell, but in terms of floor spacing on the offensive and that would be pretty rough. So that's the one pairing that I don't think you can get away with but I do think you're right in terms of choices may have to see some minutes at the four or Mark might be down to you know, just match up based minutes potentially just playing in the five to 10-minute night range unless the Lakers just really need a third spacing 5 and one Sadie is back. He really can be that Force Base in five from them. So I see Mark getting squeezed the most here. Yeah. I mean it's there's also a problem of Mark and Mark just like for the opposite reason of treasures and Drummond, they can't really play together that much it like stylistically. It doesn't work there too similar. So that's where I feel like Markieff might get hurt a little bit and it'll it'll hurt Mark in the same way because they can't play together. Tres and Anthony Davis are going to have to like always be on the floor with one of those guys and so vogel's going to have to make a decision like oh my god. Do I go with markee for this matchup? Do I go with Marty for do I go with Mark on what's going on in the other side? And so I feel like just like Mark will lose a lot of chances Markeith might also lose those same chances. Yeah. Yeah. I can definitely I can see that I can see that being being the case, I do. Wonder if we might even see Markieff sliding up to the three a little bit but I mean kuzma probably takes most of those minutes regardless. Somebody's losing minutes Marcus all I think Markieff Morris potentially off guys, probably lose my thank you protect Treasures minutes as much as you can just because he's been so effective and of course Andre Drummond, he probably doesn't come here if the Lakers aren't telling him you're starting and you're getting X number of minutes every single night. Every you know, we are not taking those from you. So I think that's that was an important part of him coming here. All right, let's get into the next man up award for this game again. No Stars playing so it really is just the player of the game for the Lakers tonight. Here we go. All right, the next man up award Ron. Who do you have for this one? I'm really torn. I mean between two guys while I'm looking at the stats and I am like I am going to go with Kyle kuzma. I really, you know, first three years Kyle kuzma if he shot eight 4:20 and five 4:15 from 3, I would think that he was just hooking up terrible shots and not helping the team and essentially ruining their chance of winning but tonight's game really was another step in development where huisman can have a really inefficient shooting night and still be an effective player. So 21 Points 11 rebounds four assists. That's a really really good stat line and when you're not shooting it, well, you still need to be effective and I'm really happy too. See who's been doing that? I I think that's a great pick that might be my pic but just to go and do something different. I'm going to go with the guy that might as well just get the the award named after him at this point Montrezl Harrell eight 4:30 a.m. During 11 boards two steals to blocks one of them a vicious block 18 points team-high + 14 on the night. Just another great performance out of it's becoming routine that just every single night. He is putting up points. In fact, I was having a conversation with somebody the other day yesterday actually who is is more of would be considered a casual basketball fan which by the way guys I see casual being used as like a a derogatory term out there to somebody there's lots of casual fans for different sports and things like that and that's that's totally fine and was having a conversation with him and he said well, you know, he was asking about how the Lakers were doing and I talked a little bit thought all the guys on the team and he said well, but Montrezl Harrell, he's he's not the guy that can really step up and score the ball Kenny. I mean that's not really something he does like actually yes. He's been great doing that and he's really dead. Of his scoring corn without Davis and he's been super efficient. He doesn't quite have that reputation around the NBA yet as being like a big-time scorer, but that's exactly what he's been for the Lakers in a timer scoring has really been at a premium and my goodness it sure was tonight. They could not put the ball in the basket except for Montrezl Harrell again, incredibly efficient at eight of 13 shooting gotta love that song honorable mention perhaps Dennis Schroder 24.5 board, six assists two steals got to the line ten times saved the Lakers by getting the line, maybe some cheap fouls there at the end, but I think he would have been a good candidate Thursday as well. I thought he had to find games seven or fourteen shooting. Yeah, all all three of those guys are really good. You know mantras Harold kind of becoming a scorer type. I think it's it's kind of we can attribute it a little bit too. We can think a clippers for sort of ruining his his reputation of what he is in the league because they he made it clear that the Clippers did not let him do anything. He wanted to do home and the Lakers said, hey man, just play your game and will support it. And guess what? He's playing the best basketball of his career right now too bad. I mean great for the Lakers but also bummer that way they're they're not going to be able to pay him what he's worth out there on the market. But also can we talk about you know, Jordan Clarkson has been incredible, you know, he's he's the narrative favorite six men of the year, but Me Mantra is Harold. I don't see why he shouldn't win it again. I mean he is playing better than he was last year when he won the award and statistically he is playing just as good if not better Jordan Clarkson. The problem is that the Lakers are sliding and the Jazz winning and they're surprising people by being the number one seed. So narrative wise that is a stronger story than trash playing great, but the Lakers continue to lose games like I mean, they won the night they won their last one, but we're expecting them to to continue sliding here without LeBron and AD so that that'll be an issue. It's a narrative award. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely sure is some people asking me about a certain somebody that we're going to need to get into we will get there when we get to the Master Lock of a night that is coming up. Don't worry. We'll be there in just a moment. somebody's mentioning Okay, this question about vocal Nelson Cham from YouTube. Do you think Vogel knows who we can rely on down the stretch Morris Cuz Harrell and Schroeder seems seem to be playing better since LeBron and AD off injuries. So let's say LeBron and Anthony Davis come back. Do you feel like anybody has really stepped up and proved themselves to be the guy. I mean, we always talk about death lineups Frank Vogel does not have a consistent death lineup. I've been grouping that you just always go to to close out games. He's more of a hot hand style coach and match up coach which is fine and works great for him. But have there been three players you think that have really stepped up to where you say? Okay. These are the three guys that Vogel really needs to turn too late in games when LeBron in a deer back. You know, I really appreciate that vogel's not a death lineup coach because death lineups are cool and all but unless they're like that Warrior's death lineup that literally no matter what film you wash them. You couldn't stop them. They don't really work, uh to predict. But if I if I had to pick 3 guys to put in a line up alongside LeBron and KD based on the way people are playing I'm probably looking at a lineup of schruder Caruso LeBron treze a d. Okay. I think that five gives you the best the best on both sides of the floor in terms of your ability to kind of switch everything defensively and rotate really well and get good ball pressure. And then on offense the ability to run that LeBron shreds pick-and-roll that was just killing teams took a little bit there the ability to you know, stretch the floor with a d and keep tread down in the post if if Caruso can kind of find that stroke that he had for the first month of the Season then it's really a death life. Yeah. That's a good point. You know, Caruso not not great tonight, but we'll talk about that one defensively. I think you brings you a lot in terms of he's just a guy who makes winning plays. I know he's had some struggles recently, but I can get home. With that as far as who I think has been playing just the best. My for if I was just picking I'm sorry my five I was just picking the three guys who played the best and then LeBron and Anthony Davis, I'd probably be looking at Dennis Schroder Kyle kuzma and Montrezl Harrell, which is a massive lineup. I mean you're talking about cruising would essentially be you're too and that's and that's the problem. I think you're addressing their run is that switch wives you're kind of in trouble when you're running a line of that big but just in terms of who's played the best. I think I'm going to go with those guys. It also depends on match up. You know, you're playing the Portland Trailblazers don't I would never run that song know, I would never run the line of her Kyle kuzma's at the to Caruso's there. But if you're playing the Clippers, yeah, you can put kuzma too because he's going to be checking alcohol George that's going to be checking, you know bigger dudes. Yeah. It is very much a match up based thing. I think that's for sure. All right, let's get into the Master Lock of the night because I know we have a lot more questions about what the Lakers could be doing next Andre Drummond that kind of stuff. So I want a job. Put a bow on tonight's game. That's an ugly bow because it was an ugly game. But yeah, let's let's get into the Master Lock of the night. Here we go. Thursday and all right Ron. Who are you putting in the Master Lock to night man, you know a lot a lot of bad performances on both sides. I think I'm putting the entire early 2000s era of basketball in the master life. That's what I that's what I witnessed tonight. That's what I witnessed against Cleveland on Friday. Friday. I think it was off. I'm witnessing like The Rebirth of the worst parts of 2000 to 2010 NBA basketball. It's disgusting and I want it gone. Let's see what Without LeBron the Lakers have scored. So in there last one, two, three, four, five six games. I'm including the Hawks game that he got hurt in Ninety Four Points 94 points 111.6, but that was against the terrible Pelicans defense 101 points 86 points and 93 points. Yeah, it's 1996 like this is it's it's disgusting. I can't it's it's hard to watch these games even though I'm like, okay, the Lakers are being competitive and they're winning but it's still hard to watch. I mean like how how can you bring us back? So many eras. We're devolving here right before our eyes. That's that's that's what's happening Basketball Wives. Yeah. I think that's a good pick. This was a tough one to watch but my Master Lock and this is going to be I believe this is an all-time Lakers Nation live postgame show off first. I don't believe this person has ever been the recipient of the Master Lock of the night award and I would be very very surprised. If it if he had been I would have to dig back through countless episodes to find out whether or not he had but I would again I don't think he has. Pains me to do it Master Lock of the night. Big baller brand the bald Mamba the bald eagle Alex Caruso Alex Caruso. Why are we not hitting the rim off the backboard or anything from a foot away Alex Caruso struggling so much to finish or even get the ball up on the rim when he's attacking if he has any kind of pressure any kind of defensive presence there. Anybody who's a threat to block his shot? His finishing at The Rim has got a the percentages. I haven't looked at them. They've got to be terrible. He really struggled. He look at the rest of it's just like okay, you know, what five assists for boards two steals one block. That's a very Alex Caruso stat line and I still like the guy overall but he there was some big moments tonight and Alex Caruso has been a big moments player guy who makes winning plays but tonight in some big moments. He really really came up short some of these drives to the basket. I like him being more aggressive. But in the very least he's gotta get the ball up on the rim. So even if he misses it Montrezl Harrell has a chance to clean that up. There were a couple of times he air-balled from a foot away that that was kcp beginning of last season. So begrudgingly, unfortunately, Alex Caruso gets the Master Lock tonight. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm starting off. He got rushed back from that concussion cuz he has not been the same player since that concussion and I'm you know, I'm I have full faith that by the playoffs it's going to be back to life. But you know bald Mamba season. Yeah, but for now, yeah, he he has been he's been pretty rough these last couple of weeks. I I'm not really sure what's going wrong. But yeah, I mean the first month of the Season out screw so was hitting threes at a 50% clip he and we knew it was unsustainable, but I did I didn't know just how unsustainable it wage. Be like it is crashed and burned into the ground. Let's see. He had a 60 on a wait sixty percent for the field the last game. He was true 4243 against the Pelicans but for the month of well, I mean for the month of March thirty nine percent from three, but it's on very limited attempts. So I think that's that's part of it. I know he was out for part of a tooth before hesitant. That's I think that's what I've noticed is he's been more hesitant which wage I think it's a part of you know coming back from a concussion. But Alex Russo's game is predicated on not being hesitant, right? So it's a problem when he is and for the month of February he shot 23% from 3, so that's and that's after shooting 54% for the month of January 54% not sustainable miss the dates yesterday's miss those days for sure. All right guys going to take a few more of your Andre Drummond comments who's next comments questions things like that before we call it a night some people ask him. Drummond's going to play against the Bucks. Ron is urging caution. Maybe you wait. Until Friday, I say I think you might we'll have to wait and see what the Lakers say. Again. They have two days now to figure out what they've got and Andre Drummond to figure out where he's at conditioning wise get them into practice and then go from there. So it's potential there's potential there that he could play against the Bucks. I don't know that the Bucks game I look the Bucks have had their own injuries to so depends on who plays for the bucks. But if the Bucks have everybody then I deal with drum and I don't know that that's winnable. So I could see erring on the side of caution and waiting until Friday against the Kings, but I guess that kind of depends on who's there for the box as well. Yeah, I mean I want to win as many games as possible. But man if I'm looking at the Milwaukee Bucks, even if they are a little you know, if they're missing Yiannis and they're missing Chris Middleton, you know God. Yeah. Okay. Maybe it's wonderful, but I don't know that seems very good and if they're even mostly healthy they they should win. Yeah, and that's that's the challenge there where you may want to remember. We wanted Andre Drummond hundred percent for the playoff run you want him for the final stretch all that so I can see where maybe you are on the side of caution in that regard but looking at the box your last game against the against the Knicks they started antetokounmpo last game. But it was young as his brother. It was not Yiannis. Yeah, there was no middle to end their their you know, most of their guys were out last game. No, no, Jrue Holiday. No way intends. Oh, no Jonas, all of those guys four of their starters were out last game. So we'll have to see what the injury report is for Milwaukee heading into Wednesday's game who knows exactly what it will be by that point. So that that may be a factor here in terms of when Andre Drummond actually makes his debut I'm seeing some people complaining about Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. What do you think about about kcp and what we've seen out of him? Like is there do you still have Kentavious Caldwell-Pope for the future with him? Gosh, that was bad. Yeah. Well, you know over 3 from night tonight from 3. Yeah, I I've always said this whole season I have said we know that this is who he is. He is a strong player he is he is one night easier third-best player and the next night. He's unplayable. We know that he goes through stretches like that. You know he is he's not playing. Well, he is playing hesitant. He's kind of playing a little soft. You know, I don't like thrown around soft on people but he he's not playing best. Ask only hasn't been for a little while obviously right now with with all the injuries. You need him out there playing, you know, relatively decent basketball if everyone was healthy, you know, I would I would almost consider taking him out of the starting lineup in the current situation. You can't do that, but I would I'm almost at the point where I would take him out of the starting lineup in favor of who who you who replace them with Right now, yeah, right. Now let's say everyone's healthy. Let's say everyone's healthy cuz right now I wouldn't take him out because there's just so much injury and so much like you can't make more changes if everyone was healthy like just to you know, do what they did with Wes Matthews and Markieff Morris taking them out of the rotation. I would be interested to see a maybe a Talen Horton Tucker in the starting lineup. Maybe give Wes Matthews a run, you know, just just to see because see you right now is just it's it's a cold streak. I know it's a cold streak. I've seen it before from him, but it it is bad. It's not pretty to watch it's bad basketball. I mean I may have changed after tonight. But when I looked earlier today, what amazed me is that he's still averaging over 40% from 3. For the season because he's he shot so well to begin the season he's just in this prolonged stretch. And so we have to hope that it comes back around come playoff time. But we we've been saying that for weeks now, we've been there for weeks. You know, we're hoping kcp turns things back around for the I guess when I look at it, it's not that bad. It shouldn't 38% for the month of March from 3. Like that's pretty good 32% free month of February. The I test is not meeting the stats right now. That's the I test heat die test is ugly. And again, if if the Lakers were healthy, I would suggest more drastic measures the current circumstance doesn't allow for drastic measures because you're already in drastic measures. So, you know at this point it's just, you know, play him through it and see what happens. But yeah, I mean, I'm a little concerned. I do still believe he can turn it around and be you know more consistent on a nice night basis be a little less a little less hesitation. But you know right now it's like whole whole stretches go by and I forget he's even there. So I think I get I think when I'm looking at this at a statute here, I think we're seeing why there's a disconnect here between the fact that he's shooting 38% from 3 for the month and why it doesn't feel like he shot the well first of all the last two games she's one for 8 from 3 in the last two games, but then she took three or four five against the 76ers and that was a loss and we knew it was going to be a loss and it was a it was pretty clear a lot. So that one like we don't look at that game positively. It's not like oh that was a big win in case if he hit a big shot down the stretch or anything even he shot well, but you don't look back on that game. Fondly. You look at a game against the Timberwolves he was true for for which was fine. But that was an expected win and it wound up being a blowout. So again there wasn't that big moment for him there where he shot well and and and made a big shot same thing against the Golden State Warriors a blowout win. He was 344 and then there was a log The Sacramento Kings where he shot to 4 to from 3 the games where he shot well have not been games that are going to stick out in your mind for any reason because they were blowouts in One Direction or another wage. They don't really stand out as like a a real flag pole type moment. Whereas the games where he shot poorly have largely been in closer games where that big Miss dead end up being not necessarily turning point but a bigger deal with in the script of that game. So I think that's what we're seeing happen here is that the gravity of the shots or the import importance of the shots that he's taken off has influenced how we see him shooting over. All right now, Yeah, and I think you know that that right there is a perfect example of why when you're talking about basketball and and how players are playing you need to have some sort of a mixed of I test and stats wage because the I test would tell you these terrible but the stats would tell you he's playing actually pretty well. So odds are the truth is somewhere in the middle where he's not an active debt remains, but he does need to do certain things better. He does need to be more involved. He does need to you know, remind us that he's there really that's the problem is I'm forgetting he's on the court sometimes wage and he was he was like the third best player on the team during the playoff run. I it's it's it's disappointing to see such an elongated stretch of this. Yeah. Hopefully he will improve hopefully he'll do better than and we'll see the steady consistent k c p a lot, you know kcpt feeds off on LeBron, right? That's why he's on the floor with LeBron because LeBron draws the defense he hits kcp kccp shoots the three wage. Daily, he makes it right that's where he gets a lot of his value from and so without LeBron. He's a little bit lost and I think that's kind of what we see out there. There's times where I don't know if it's k c p or West Palm like I mix up the two of them on the court because they're doing such similar things and that's not a good thing. Yeah. Kcp obviously right now now he's playing above his pay grade. He took in a role that he's not you kind of can't have the stand in the corner and wait to be open guys because you're not going to get open Monday. So we've got a question here said would Jeff Teague be a good pickup from Corby on Lewis from YouTube. What do you think about that? He he got traded off by the Celtics he was sent out was that I believed to Orlando right the deal to get. Yep. Yeah, and then and then got waived. So now he's on the market years ago. He was a pretty decent point guard. I do I don't see him as a fit right now. What are your thoughts on him? I mean, you're asking me him or Avery Bradley. I'll take Avery Bradley. Jeff Teague is not the worst fallback option in the world. So like I was fails you get Jeff Teague, that's not the worst thing in the world. He's not a detriment to anyone. But but if Avery Bradley's interested in a reunion, I would rather go that route. Obviously. Water gets bought out. I'd go that route you Jeff Teague. I see him as like a mediocre fallback option. Yeah, I'm there with that to a lot of people are mentioning Austin Rivers. We've heard the Lakers are looking for a 3 in D wing and Wing you can stretched out a little bit. Maybe Avery Bradley can fall under that because he does have a long wingspan. And so that allows them to defend up a little bit or down a change of position. So maybe he fits there but I think they are looking for more of like a mo harkless if he gets waived Otto Porter guys, like I think that's more the style of player they're looking for at this month. But but Austin Rivers, what do you think if he's out? I mean right now the Lakers is in order to get through these next few weeks without LeBron Anthony Davis. You need somebody that can just put the basket ball in the basket and Austin Rivers maybe gives you a little bit more punch their well, so I believe that the the rumor and again this could always change the way did Marcus Aldridge but it seems as though Austin Rivers is destined for the Milwaukee Bucks, right that does seem to be the case. They're the leaders right now to get him from what we're seeing. Yeah. So if that falls through the way Lamarcus fell through then yeah, I think he'd be a pretty decent option. He's not the best defender that's ever lived but he can he can he can score definitely do see. I mean, I I think I would take him over Jeff Teague. Okay. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'll tell you what though a lot of people throw it out Lou Williams and his name and I don't think he's getting bought out first of all. But if you did, I would pick him up for the next few weeks and you've got the trays Lou Williams thing. You've got that combo going there and you can say the Lakers guard rotation is already too too stacked and may I get that and I guess too crowded I should say they're not not stacked the way they have been playing lately, but he can put the basket ball in the basket. And so to get you through to be that bridge piece for the next few weeks if Lewis. Bought out I would go after him knowing the defense of issues knowing the size issues knowing that maybe during the playoffs. He's not going to be playable just to be able to generate offense because it is it is really good stuff with the Lakers offense right now. Yeah, I mean, you know, this might be a bit of a, you know, maybe a personal thing. I don't really like Lou Williams that much as a player but like I I I don't even I wouldn't even do it like I think I would I think I would leave the roster spot open before I gave it to Lou Williams. I don't know. Oh open run over bringing home like the option of someone else is more enticing like if Lou Williams was bought out and signed with the Lakers tomorrow. I would not be excited. I'd be like and like Monday what like we've seen this story before like we all know what it is with Lou Williams. We know you know, he he he could get he can get you some buckets, but then he's going to be like the absolute most liable liability on the defensive end if if the shot isn't falling perfectly like we don't know if there's if there's some stuff there's some beef between him and trez after the way things ended up with his tenure with the Clippers. There's just like a lot of a lot of potential bad and when you're looking at a 15th roster spot, I don't want to give I don't want to any bad. I want like I would take a minuscule positive over any negatives of any kind. 96 points tonight, I scored ninety six points and it was painful to watch them score that 96. That's the only reason why I would say yes to Lou Williams is because he can walk in the basket and they just don't have that guy right now, but I think your concerns are valid in terms of yeah are there issues with Travis? Because the way things ended there maybe and maybe that's enough for you to say. No not not going to do it. We're not get into that long-term. He's not the fit you need at Otto Porter is there yeah, you probably look at him because you think hey in the playoffs I can probably actually play Otto Porter Jr. If need be or a mo harkless or whoever over Williams, but for the next few weeks, I need somebody to put the ball in the basket Kim the Lakers even do that. Like are they like aren't they out of ten days? You mean even bring flew in for the next few weeks and then say see you later and then bring somebody else so we can go I can the Lakers do that. If let's say we will gets bought out tomorrow. Can they sign and Then when LeBron comes back healthy cut him and sign and Avery Bradley On The Spot. Can you even that they they could open up a third roster Spot while they so they had to rush home. They used one of them on a drum. It's right. Now they have one they could open up another one if they were to waive somebody else like a Alfonzo mckinnie someone like that. So you can go that route. They could give Lou a 10-day contract if he gets bought out what this is all about hypothetical. I don't think he's actually getting bought out. But if he did get bought out in theory, you could give him a 10-day contract. I don't think he's going to take that. I think he would rather sit at home then come play on a 10-day contract being a veteran player and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I don't think I don't think that would get it done for him. But I guess in theory you could I mean you you see my dislike of Williams like the great things. I'm going to just even stop the hypothetical of him signing you see the links and going to yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, guys, let's get into a couple more questions and comments Ron. I'm getting Master Lock Ron comments coming in here. You guys can you guys can hate on me? All you want I stand by my Lou Williams comments. That guy is a liability in the playoffs and the regular season any night of the week. He's a liability. Yeah. I know we'll finish up with this one. My email says Trevor are you concerned that? We can't keep anyone next year. So we've talked about how Montrezl Harrell's probably gone next year cuz he's going to get a bigger offer than what the Lakers can offer which is just over eleven million Andre Drummond probably gone next year. He'll get a bigger offer than what the Lakers can offer. Is that is that a concern moving forward? I'm not I don't know. How do you feel about that? I mean look at the Lakers can retain and and and the all the reporting has been that their plan heading into the offseason is to retain dentist router Alex Caruso Talen Horton Jacqueline Horton Tucker. If they are successful at keeping all three of those guys, essentially what you're looking at is you have minimum contracts and I think depending on Caruso or thg contract you could have a mid-level exception in there as well. So you essentially have that veteran minimums and maybe a mid-level exception to fill out another Center, you know a choice and replacement you'd need you'd want to bring back Markieff Morris desperately. And then maybe you look into the trade market to see them out there to see what's available, but I'm not too too concerned. I mean, it's obviously, you know with LeBron getting another year older you want to do everything you can to stay competitive wage. I'm not too concerned about next year. Yeah. I'm not going to worry about it too much just yet. I mean, I would love to say hey they can keep Drummond and trez and Caruso and every Buddy else and chg and shooter and everybody can stay everybody. Just stay with the Lakers but most likely that's not going to happen. So it's going to be on Rob pelinka to use the resources that are at is disposable trash disposal including could be a mid-level exception bi-annual exception got used this year in West Matthew. So you've got a mid-level exception to work with you got some veteran minimum contracts to work with you could pursue a trade with a number of years. So there are some things available to the Lakers to go and and try to add pieces to this roster. But again right now the focus should be on winning a championship and then you figure out where all the chips are after that long Drummond comes out and has a phenomenal NBA playoffs and an NBA finals and they win a championship. You're probably priced out you're not going to be able to bring him back same thing with trans. But but who knows you could also see a market where they don't have as much value. I mean look Dwight Dwight Howard play great when you played but he also played a limited role in the playoffs and next thing, you know, he was out there for a veteran-minimum deal. So It really depends on how the rest of the season goes. And again, if the Lakers win at all, honestly, like I don't even care at that point the Lakers at that point would have had will have had two straight championships. Yeah, I mean, what else are we supposed to be going for their? Yeah, that's it. Right. That's it. You you bring home number 18. That's the goal have the most championships of anybody in NBA history. I'd be okay with that and we know the Celtics aren't going to the The next few decades, so nope. It's okay almost though almost change almost had driven. So close. So close. So close. They could have had Drummond. They could have had vucurevich that could have happened and Gordon they could have built a dream team and instead here. They are with Evan Fournier and mo Wagner Google never Google. Yeah. All right guys, I appreciate all of you for coming in and joining us not a pretty game tonight, but the Lakers got a win and so we'll certainly take that over the Orlando Magic and then of course the big news Andre Drummond is now a Laker gotta love that. Can't wait to see maybe it'll be Wednesday against the Bucks. Maybe it'll be Friday against the Kings will have to wait and hear what the Lakers have to say on that one. But in the meantime, make sure you guys do subscribe to the Lakers Nation YouTube channel. Don't forget to bring the notification Bell and make sure you head over to the ignition. Com for all kinds of great Lakers content till next time everybody. See you and stay safe.

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VanVleet's Historic Performance, Nets Confidence & Is PG-13 Disrespected?

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VanVleet's Historic Performance, Nets Confidence & Is PG-13 Disrespected?

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We're talking fred. Van vliet play. We're talking fred baby. That's right bet on yourself here vim lead. If you didn't know scored fifty four points to break the raptors franchise record. last night. They defeated the magic one. Twenty three one o eight. Maybe the most incredible in fact the most incredible performance in raptors history individual performance. You know throughout the place. What worry about that but this is pretty crazy. Guy that went undrafted. of course. of course fifty. Four hit a career-best eleven threes exciting because he had five in the first quarter. He had eleven with time to go in the third quarter. It was like oh is clay's fourteen in jeopardy here early donyell marshall former raptor who has the raptors record of twelve meet threes gave. Yes donyell marshall is that one in jeopardy in the end you know claes. Fourteen still stands and donyell marshall's twelve still but unbelievable game. Seventeen to twenty three from the field nine nine the line three blocks and three steals which is really blocks that's the most incredible performance and fred inflates fleets history more than three blocks. But what. I loved about this before i start with those eleven threes. Ten of them were pure swishes. The only one that didn't really swish was the eleventh one that he that he cranky where he hit the back of the other ones. I went through this morning. I'm like and sure maybe one of them courts in mind but otherwise they were pure swishes dirk like performances shooting the ball. Everyone just looks so beautiful spots and did it. Well matt devlin on the sidelines as crazy to according to leo he was just. He was getting so excited. But what i'd like to bat. It was fred was in the groove and he was in the moment but he wasn't just hunting down three. I think in that second half black murphy pointed out this morning in the athletic the magical contract. Well he's just going to start. Firing off with that record and fred was like with you coming out this fall. I'm just gonna go inside and to get some easy ones. And that's how we got to his fifty like it wasn't just like like i. I'm just so hot now. I'm just gonna start firing and jacking away for the team. He over myself. I'm going to try to make sure we get the win. And get some non easy basket scene. And that's what he did so it was a good in the floor. Fifty that really just exploited the weakness in the defense and then obviously the threes were just beautiful on top of it so i thought it was a an incredible unlikely performance. Because if you watch fred's body language you would think maybe the teams down maybe ten points. Maybe hasn't hit any shots were because he's not a very emotive guy stays in the moment and that's a great thing. I think that's very very. That's that's the thing about it is that he doesn't get carried away and he could stay out there and parodies stats a little bit more. But he came out with a couple of minutes to go there because he had the record and he was like. I think him nikola right. That's fine you've got the raptors that is now that is a franchise including playoff record to isn't it became fifty four. Yeah that's right vince. Carter's had some huge games of course in the playoffs. He had fifty one vincit. We had that terrence. Ross fifty one a fifty fifty one. I can remember and now now vanfleet has the raptors record with fifty four. Yeah he surpassed drove in. And i know we'll get to what derozen said on twitter later in tweet of the night. Who had it fifty. Two derosa did it. I think on january first new year's day and now we have lead on groundhog day. Go in for fifty four. It's gotta be a special day. It's going to be a holiday of some sort. I guess warns only to go exactly. Yeah the the the biggest of the holidays for the raptors to explode. But yeah you're right. I mean he had like lee. Those were swishes. You're absolutely on point there and like a lot of them like thirty foot bombs he was hitting first off like boucher would set a pick so far over the three point. Line like all right. I'll step into this feeling. And then he had a bunch of like catch and shoot threes and transition as well it. It was fun. It was the first time in a long time. Trae that the texts were flying around with the raptors buddies. You know it was like. I had to know of anybody that anyone else was watching up in toronto. Like you know my buddies like hey guys vanfleet on fire right now and fifty play here. Who knows if he catches clare. Whatever and so there was a bunch of like. Whoa what's going on. Everybody starting to tune in so that was fun because it had been a longtime. What'd you what'd you think of the f. v rockford illinois ohio. Baby go and going nuts. I mean it's pretty crazy again. An undrafted player. I know we sort of overlooked that. That's it's wildwood. This guy accomplished already. It's still being pretty young. Yeah that was incredible to me. It sounds like you're saying that the raptors are back. I didn't know that they had gone away. But they're back your texting. Everybody being isak here saying hey i know. Everybody is watching nets versus clippers. A possible game of the year candidate. What about my team. My team i know nobis not playing. But let's talk about him. It was incredible stuff. The magic made some mistakes early on. They completely lost. Track of fred van vliet. He got some wide open threes. For maybe as first three tenths and then it was over he had kind of got into a groove and he was looking for a shots. Obviously the raptors were looking to get him buckets and the magic. Just a pretty poor job of staying attached fred van bleed on screens and finding them at half court and then transitioned situations and basically everywhere that you would pick up three pointers. Which is why he got to actually brings up a good question from john. Shuman in the stream team. Who asks is fred. Vanvleet a beautiful shooter of the basketball. I don't know that. I would say he's got a beautiful shot. It's got a little bit of a hook to it but it goes in. And when he's on fire it feels like he's never gonna miss. Obviously that was the case last night. What do you think a beautiful shooter of the basketball red bank. I would say no. He doesn't quite qualify for the the steph curry. The bradley beal just like the most perfect mechanics. But he certainly guy who's worked on his shot and he's comfortable and when he gets his feet set a it feels like he's gonna knock it in moretons and he's going to miss it. I will say that but Got a strong base. yes he does. Yeah i mean exactly squares up. He gets his fate into it and he follows through so he does everything that you should do. But i wouldn't say it's in that same level of the super league gorgeous shooters of the basketball. Like you know like a book as well as i mentioned yesterday. Joe harris beautiful shooter of the poll. They all are. I mean we'd be remissed. We didn't bring this up to that. Vans legals fifty four on the day of the night off us. Yesterday's cast talking about trading if you're the raptors four bradley beal who you putting in the deal lee you said vanfleet norman powell who by the way i had a pretty sneaky good into them shuffling gait to those two guys the picks for bill and automatically yes. Where can i sign down so the next question we inspire me for fifty four and second question is do we have to revise the trade and the need to send back picks for yeah i mean. I wasn't deep into your twitter feed last night but always taken so many hits from people. You like some were saying well. You inspired him but others see trash. What are you talking about you. You were dose that you're a board by the way i still do it in an incredible performance. Remember what i was doing with me and we went for fifty four. Let's be honest. Who knows how long this will stand as a rap record. I don't know it could be another ten fifteen years with today's nba. Oh probably lasts for a year or two and someone fifty but anyway well day saint patrick's day is next. March are in the next month. So it's gonna fall. I don't know g probably sixty. Yeah let's go. Let's go for a fifty five. Let's saint patrick's day But yeah it's still do the trade but it was great timing lee. it's just areas that you were proposing this. I mean this probably bodes. Well we're going to get to biltrite later today. We asked you to come up with a trade for the bull. So i'm sure auto quarters going to go for don't know because the trade pump the trade speculation but that's maybe that's it. Maybe that's what people are gonna say. Hey can you. Can you now do a trade for my team to get these play going. That's what i want to say you haven't instead of getting all the hate tweets. Maybe it'll be that it'd be like quick to say this guy getting machine made exactly wild while i mean look. I was saying to with people on twitter when he had like nine. Ten people are like oh the records following clay's fourteen. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure i mean he's still has a while to go here and the teen does start to play you differently right like you hit nine or ten threes on their head. They're going switch up their defensive game plan on you a little bit and the magic did but i think it actually helped vanfleet get to the fifty four to beat the rosen's record because you said it lea. He's not like wall just you know. I think it's sort of help. Slash hurts them as weird way to put it but like he's not like six six six seven and shoot over to write. Like van bleeds threes. Half to come with a little separation. You have to come in transition or off often nice high pick and roll or be wide open like they were leaving them early on like traits that but when they took that away took a space away well he actually then was like okay. I'll just start going for a layup. Three layups at the end and that actually helped him. I think surpassed rosen's record instead of just trying to gun away for donyell marshall. Or or zach levine. Like thirteen or of course klay fourteen. Do you know what i mean by that. Yeah i think the fifty four point. I believe it was the one where he was. So uncontested underneath call larry put it to him and he almost fumbled it and then just picked it up and laze because again the magic was so wary of him being out expecting him to go for that three point record that he just kind of walked into the paint and score. I mean the game was was over. Anyway i mean the raptors had a fairly big lead in this one In fact i was watching with my eight year old son and on one of the possessions they credited. I think it was on that one. I actually credited the magic with a two point on and they didn't correct for. I like a minute or two and he was watching had the score a little bit closer and he was saying they gave that. Larry that fred van leap basket to the magic and i was like really and i went back and i checked and he was right now. It's like this is interesting. I haven't checked. I haven't i haven't updated. But eventually they did so he was at there watching and keeping an eye on things and making sure that he was there he can say now my eight year old. Who was born in toronto raptors fan. He was watching the day. Freddie vanfleet set the raptors record. Wow that's pretty pretty incredible told them the vanfleet story man in all honesty like hey. This guy wasn't drafted. did you get all into it. We went out with that just really starting to blue there. Yeah i mean we're still learning the particulars of the game. I mean the thing is about. I'd like now think about what time this was last night. And he was still work Yeah mean that's the thing he's found. He's found a loophole. In dad's bedtime routine is watching basketball with dad. And i'm asking questions. Wow then i've think. I can stay up a little bit light. So he did. He stayed up and he was very excited thing. Is you know. He was born in toronto but he's lived in atlanta for like seven years. Still a raptors man. He's you will not shake him. He's a fan for lot so nice. That's good to know so at least one person's happy out there that we started this show center. He was watching the highlights again this morning on the nba youtube channel. Because they had the little. Fred package air he was like. Oh this is great. You shooting threes and the thing is you know it just looks so easy when you are watching a guy at the just shoot those threes. And i'm a little bit worried when we go into the driveway later on that you know like i said last week. He's gonna wanna step back and just be shooting threes. Layups that boy. Good point anything. I mean this could be a good victory for the wraps to of course they need all these ws. They can get right now because they started slowly. You know you wonder. And it's it's not guaranteed but you wonder if one of these crazy performances sort of ignites them a little bit and an offense that of course has looked very stagnant at times and there always seems to be within interrupters game. You know five six seven sometimes even more minutes where the raptors just looked like garbage offensively and just nothing looks easy. Maybe it gets them going. Maybe it doesn't lowry at a triple double Also in this game A lot of the the assist variety of like just handed to vanfleet type things. You gotta love that. one guy's just hitting threes. Let's just give him the ball. There's an assist sweet awesome but yeah we'll see if it gets the raps going a little bit as a definitely a like whatever like a bonding experience for the squad like everybody loves family. Everybody he talked about it like it was cool to him that the guys on the team more excited than he was. And you actually believe that. Coming from manley's that's pretty cool anything else to add from this morning you want to get to the game possibly of the year. Let's go to it while skates. Hold on real quick. Always going to remember where you were when fred vanfleet got fifty four house. That whole is going to remember. Do you remember where you were. When charlie villanueva scored forty eight where you were. 'cause it's crazy and charlie villain the waiver so high up on the all-time raptors single game scoring list. When you see that when you see that terrence ross amongst the highest numbers ever obviously with fifty one damore fifty two vince. Carter fifty one. Those are classics. those are big ten scores. Those are all star guys. Fred van vliet terrence. Ross charlie villanueva. That's the corey brewer variety for being quite honest fried. Better than corey brewer. But i mean they're still in the same mix. Do you remember the charlie villanueva. I don't i know. I know him doing it. I don't remember where i was. I don't know if i was even watching it really like a handful of games. I actually remember what the heck i was doing. But this one for sure for sure mainly because it happened during a pandemic. And i'll just go john about one if i remember correctly. Charlie was a rookie at the time. And it was against the milwaukee bucks. I think it was in milwaukee. Okay and i actually think i might. I might not think it was a sunday. I think because somebody's betray started at three thirty pm so yes probably sunday rabbits on sunday a lot. Well and i think because. I was playing pickup bowl and hyman child. He's on charlie feeling away. he's got like forty. I think it was a sunday. So i do. I do kind of remember. Excellent excellent idea. Well let's go to. Let's go to the other big game from lash date. Kyrie irving scored thirty nine as the nets cooled off the clips with a one twenty four one twenty victory of very very fun gamely which big takeaway is getting wouldn't end man. Yeah the bed. Your big takeaway. This awesome game last into my god. You mean the steve nash decision when he started like let's foul here up three yards that it took a while it just felt like that last minute and a half to send a team to drag on and on but what i will say. This is the one weakness that i have concern for. The nets is the defense. Everyone bazeley does. Because i don't defend thought last night particularly in that second half they put in the f. Defensively and you could tell. It just made it harder for the clippers to school and coming down the stretch. Thought it was. That was great. Of course james harden was great and durant. I should never bay against kevin durant i know. Get to pick on lighter. But i've course the nets would come out on talk with kevin around. But i just felt that the nets win. They really show that they wanna put in the effort defensively. They can just make a huge difference to their team and because they've got the offensive firepower but if you are going to concede baskets at the other end like. We saw against the wizards on sunday night. Teams can score so easily against him and you just can't afford. You can understand why they kind of took their foot off the gas against the wizards. Because it's the wizards but against the clippers. That was like you're gonna it's gonna come back to haunt you in this occasion so the the nets won and After the game. Paul george good game was asked about whether or not you know he should have gotten more free throws because he only had one trip to the free throw line so i dug into it a little bit. I thought i wonder if it is disrespectful. I don't think it is. But paul george simply doesn't get to the free throw line enough for god to say. It was disrespectful and last six games. He's only gotten to the free throw line more than three times once. He's had two trips to trips three trips to trips. And then one last night so. I don't think that's really justified. He's only averaging less than four free throw attempts per game. So paul george my point is he's a stupa stop by an offensive juggernaut. Incredibly talented guy. Put yourself in a position. Where the referees. Half to make more falcons. I think he just doesn't make enough situations. Where the referees to send to the free throw line. So i think i think it has to come back to him a little bit more and you know not saying that. That was the reason. I lost his game but i just sort of was surprised that he doesn't get to the free throw line more for a guy who's wanna one. I on their team in terms of their offensive airport. I think he needs to be a little bit more aggressive. Mike referees make those calls. I think that's the problem. He said it was disrespectful. The one free throw attempt wasn't that him just doing basically what perkins justice for our tweet of the night yesterday. Saying i had a couple of double doubles trying to slip himself into the mix there the two thousand twelve finals. What i mean by that is brooklyn star trio. They all go to the line. You know in this game sixteen sixteen total. I mean for those three so it wasn't like they were shooting twenty free throws here quiet for nine and then pg's like hey. I'm also a star here too well ago and we're free throws i should be in the mix too so i didn't take too much from it in watching the game. I didn't think he was like hosed. With the bad call or anything like that lee. So i think that's just classic paul. George say hey. Hey what about me. What about me guys almost superstar these five guys out here but anyway what did you think trae that blitz specially that. The nets went on like that thirteen run. I think it was you know gave them the lead. I know it got close at the end. It got a little dicey at the end for them. But that was special where durant and kyrie cooking. And then i think it was hard enough. Capped it off that step back three right. Oh that was some hot stuff right there skeets and that's why to me. The nets are the favorite in the eastern conference. Because they got three guys that can go out and score twenty in the fourth quarter. Anytime even paul george said it felt like they were just taking turns making shots on us and that's exactly what the nets were doing the defense. Yeah le- i can understand why people still think that that's going to be a concern. But i don't because. I saw this incredible step from john shuman last night the kind of stat you see and you know this is going to be on every podcast tomorrow. Then that's our nine in three versus teams over five hundred four and six teams under five hundred. Obviously they're playing down to their competition. They're happy to let the wizards score one hundred and fifty points but they know they gotta play defense against the team like the clippers to beat them. They were engaged last night. Kyrie irving basically said that saying we know. This is a team that we can run into down the line say. We're going to be in the finals. Are you going to be there. They know they had to play hard. They know they had to actually be engaged on the defensive. And they're not just going to be able to outscore clippers team who plays defense and has been pretty solid offensive team as well so to me. It seems like the nets are just gonna play harder when they play against good teams. No surprise when you've got those three guys as your stars. They were locked in last night harden look the most like a point guard. I think he ever has plan with the nets. he's bringing the ball up. He's facilitating everything. And then he's getting buckets when they need them to get buckets. Thought it was interesting. Discussion with dwayne wade and candace parker. Talking about the difference. Between who do you want taking. The last shot versace. Who do you want. Orchestrating things down the stretch because it does feel like the nets are probably at their most dangerous when harden has orchestrating things for the last three or four minutes of the game getting katie and kyrie involved in that. If you need an absolute bucket you can just give katie. Who's going to be able to guard him. A cheat code is candace. Parker keeps calling them. And that's exactly what it is. The nets are looking tough. Yeah they looked great there. There's no doubt. I got that back with pass. I say they don't get to the finals. He took that they would after the heart and trade. We made that they look good. I mean i mean when kevin durant you're right it's just the ultimate release valve and you're like okay. Just get us to get us a great shot. Okay no problem. Get us a good shot. It might go in and then when kyrie's cooking as well. I mean it's unbelievable yet. Some incredible layups. I mean to the point. Now you don't even get that excited about them. 'cause kyrie does like these two or three like insane sort of jelly like layups like weird rules on them or like flips off the other side of the backboard underneath. He doesn't like two or three times a game. But i'm glad you wrote the kyri quote their trae because it was made me made me think about something you sort of said like he alluded to after the game like if we see them again type of thing. We'll see him in the finals right. Sort of like stamping the nets to the finals like. That's obviously their aspirations. And that makes sense because they've got all these stars but think it's a little weird especially when you pair it with. They played good against great teams down to the you know the competition when they play subpar teams. We sort of railed on the clippers last year for like carrying themselves like they had already one title when we really done anything up but they sort of had that sort of vibe to them. The nets are doing that now too but i just like is it the same as it different because of course katy perry already one though quite leonard had already one but he's a different type of leader. Maybe is there any concern that they could be doing a little bit. What the clippers did and we got on them for last year like. Hey you're pretending you want to chip without having actually even gone to the finals here with this. You know what i mean is. That fair was completely different. Puzzling makeup of the team. I think it's totally fair. The difference i would say. Is that the clippers last season. Were resting guys. Which would then. That's certainly done and the resting was proving to be a problem. You heard comments coming out of the locker room for mantras herrell. It just didn't look like they were completely connected on the court. I don't think that's the case with the nets right. Now they look like they are loving playing alongside each other and if they end up blowing a three one lead to the sixers in the playoffs or are we going to look back and say. Maybe you should've played harder against the wizards in january. I guess that's certainly possible right now. They're clicking and they're still going to get better they still have moves to make right. They're still gonna figure out somebody who's going to help a little bit on the glass. They're going to figure out somebody who's going to be able to be a wing defender. That's on shumpert whenever he gets totally ready to be playing again. I'm personally not worried about the. That's i don't think the chemistry is going to be a problem. Feels like james harden kyrie irving smiler than they've been for the past three seasons. I'm lovin what i'm seeing from brooklyn. I think that a lot of that comes down to the different leadership styles off kevin durant versus last year. And i just feel that kevin durant just carries that that that white around with him where it's like you know i'm not going to let things get too crazy here. You know he. He's leader whereas i think was more focused on on himself and he's iron game design regime and take those games off when he wanted to i think kendra just not even though he's obviously missed a couple of games with the rest and that as well that that's going to happen because he's coming off the achilles injuries but it just feels to me that kevin durant as the leader of that locker room. Things are a little bit more in control. And i won't get too far ahead of themselves so that's just how it feels different. I mean they're not not a finished product yet. They still do have one or two weaknesses there. But as long as he's on the caught it feels like they can beat any other team that it really does it does. It certainly doesn't feel like there's a better team in the eastern conference anyway than the nets. Yeah netzer. I believe not to one up. Shuman here with his nine. Three stat is five hundred plus teams. I think they're six and on national tv to they haven't even lost i. I saw from nets daily. We're shuman used to work ethic the blog boy there so that's coming out of jersey these days. Just chuck it out there. You said he got a little long in the tooth at the end. They're li you're not wrong to take a while but because it almost backfired i thought national strategy. Fine do the old foul up three. They put on the line. And then there are some buckets made. And then i think it was the the clippers throwing it ahead but tomb got fouled right at around midcourt with about like three seconds to go and there was there after you saw the replay or like okay. It's no big deal but there was some worry that it was going to be a clear path. Foul yeah and You know took a look at it and of course it was not so it didn't matter but are you a family. I guess i want to get to this fan of the fouling. When you're up three just not. Don't let them take a three point. Shot just put them on the line and trust in your free throw shooters and you're in downing abilities. Which backfired against the wizards. Obviously what do you think. Yeah i think you don't want to give that other team a chance just to get a three pointer. We've just seen so many crazy shot. So many times that the other can hit it so yeah put them to the free throw line if he can get into have the situation where they can kind of hit one and then potentially miss the other one and try to get the three points made up that way. I mean whole areas with badu to hit the first one when but he missed and then he tried to miss. The second one did before that green could have basically sealed the game anyway because he had that he was down the other end of the court and he put the ball in. I think it was reggie jackson. Who found him. Sort of. Didn't jeff green hits it then. Goes the free throw line. He misses and then and then epa tomb. He couldn't hit the first and then potentially missed the second but yeah yeah i would never give the other team a chance to even get that three pointer especially when you've got a poll georgia's just hit a crazy three from the corner prior to that as well that That made it a one point. Guide hit some big shots in his career and camara says well. And if you've someone like reggie jackson if one of those guys is open nine get three off. You don't want that opposition. Just anyone put them to the free throw line and try to have the mike that crazy situation of missing a free throw and then somehow getting the two point. 'cause that's far less likely to happen. That's why we need to have those extra long. It lasts two minutes later. You got to see the growth. From steve nash. And i'm not really joking here. You look at the wizards game. They didn't foul up three when they easily could. They didn't advance the ball with a time out. So the wizards had a good shot. When garrison matthews gets the steel. Both of those things changed last night. And then steve. Nash seems like he's had something to do with this. Jeff green streaking down the court and like harden and who has joe harris are kinda like deciding who's going to take out the ball you'll and stuff. It reminds me our coach seventh grade. Shoutout mr buck. He put an play all. These dumb coaches had in the nineties where somebody would go and start barking on the on the ground. You're dumdum barking over there. Suddenly you get a lay up underneath the hoop. This was almost the nba version. Of that. steve nash. He's becoming a coach. I do love that fifteen years later. He saying mike. D'antoni i know me and you we were not able to win the title doing all offense defense but we're going forward to going forward again and now i'm calling timeouts at the end of the game. I actually love. I love the nets decision to foul. If they're up three. I love that idea. Because you don't really play defense as it is. So i trust in your three superstars hardened katie and kyrie who are all great Free throw shooters and joe. Harrison's out there. I mean that's basically guaranteed money to like i. I'll take those odds. I liked that so do it. Ninety four percent of the law and says which is incredible. But you know i. I just wondered if renovate was watching last night when jeff green was his hanging down the other end and also i was trying to workshop. Some sort of offside joking there steve. Nash minoza big soccer. Guy is a better during the broadcast. And i was gonna i was going to say it's a great move but schumer least they've nationalized. That's offside couldn't quite. I couldn't quite get the wording right. So i left out but the something there anyway. I'll think about it the next game. You've got the ideas let me know. Wow show restraint their most people. Just fire off. Whatever tweet they have. Yeah i just. I just couldn't quite. I couldn't quite breach the two sports to make it. Perfect autumn saying great move but surely nationalize offside could've cost his team a possession but maybe maybe a var joke in there. I don't need anyway okay. i'll hinge with the other games from last night trade. Tell me if there's anything that jumped out to you. The pacers top memphis one. Thirty four one sixteen. They snapped the grizzlies. Seven game win streak which had basically went back a month because grizzlies had a couple of weeks off. Their lillard scored thirty to lead the shorthand blazers past the wizards one. Thirty two one. Twenty-one jazz survived a late rally. beat the pistons won seventeen zero five and finally in the old nightcap tatum in the celtics held off her in the warriors won eleven one. Oh seven of those four games is are one or two that you got something you wanna share with the people while. I did enjoy that last game. Celtics vs warriors steph was awesome almost pulled out a win singlehandedly but winds start at the rim. No james wiseman for the warriors kevon looney rolled ankle and it was kind of a wrap after there. I thought twenty points in the paint in the second half for the celtics. Ten of those were jalen brown. The guy just has a great sense for the moment. He knows when to assert his will he had a big time drive for a dunk about four minutes. Left that kind of felt like the dagger to me jason. Tatum was great again. Twenty seven nine three four threes. I really liked the discussion. They had about him at half. Dwayne wade explaining exactly how jason tatum can get to the next level. He can improve his playmaking which you know. His assists percentage has been going up up up up up. He's averaging a career high in assist he is getting better On at playmaking. But i don't know. I just thought you know the celtics. It was almost a business like when they had to get this win especially when there was nobody inside for the warriors but they went out there and they did it and shout out. We were crushing them. When shack was trashing donovan mitchell. I thought dwayne wade and candace. Parker were awesome last night. And i enjoy jim jackson on this call as well. Yeah he talked about andrew wiggins playing mindless basketball and he meant it as a good thing and that was right there with them. This was a fun one to stay up for. Yeah good call jim jackson. I like him on. The call and kansas is like one of the best studio analysts and then wade is a fairly new at it. I think is getting better and better. They at least a joy for the game wicha. Wow turns out it helps. It makes them for a more enjoyable Watcher listen anything to add from any of those games. Legally jim jackson i mean he's got an incredible voice. I think you've really got a better voice. Bill kennedy or jim jackson. Jim i think jeez. Yeah yeah silly. Does i think had an idea jim to me. Like a real crooner up there you know. It sounds like he could easily just pick up the market. Just start singing song. He's got a credible voice. that's the big takeaway from the one from the great guy win there from the celtics kemba walker moving. Well i think is just so important for the celtics. Struggled a little bit with injury this season but when he's out there and hit a couple. Those step backs that gigantic. Step back that you can see. It's coming but he can still do it. You shook draymond green there too late last night. I mean it's just incredible. How he's still able to get to that spot so efficiently when he's to up to it you. It's sort of like stay with him. Just wait for that. Step back in and move with him but he can still get rid of his defender pretty easily so i hope he can stay healthy and stay on the court because he's a fun guy to watch goodwin from the celtics there and the jazz i think now. The number one team in the league after the clippers lost that last night. So percentage wise the jazz rallying or bouncing back from lhasa got a victory pistons pistons. But good stuff. And you know pacers to victory against the chris all right. And hey how about those blazers time. Drunk by damian. Lillard late yeah. Here's what i want to ask you. Because i asked you this on twitter. Last night he had the big dunk and he started looking at his right wrist. You know damn time. It's a celebration he's had in the past dame time he's looking at his right wrist. He's a right handed guy which would mean very weird that he's wearing his watch on his right hand. That's an unusual move. I went back and watched the old weather time celebrations when he's tapping on his wrist. He taps on his left wrist. Chan does he wears watch on. I need to know this is one of these rachel. He's one of these people that switch it up. There are there are people in this world. Like my buddy grece love wall sleep on the on the you know when he when he was in a marriage he would sleep on the left side of the bed and not on the right side of the bed. They would switch it up. Wow it's mind boggling crazy Could never read my around unlike when you mean you actually sleep on the left side of the bed sometimes then on the right side you've got swap. That's amazing to me. So maybe it's a it's a watch thing here with lillard lilly. Yeah it's interesting. Isn't it. Because it is your left. Wrist is the traditional place to where it isn't it's not rule it's not a law but that's generally where people put it. So yeah i. I try and i was sort of chatting on tuna last night as i I'm not really sure why he would do that. Other than just to continue taunting russell westbrook because it seems as i diamond lil. It's always got the better of russell. Westbrook had that big dark and then of course the huge step back three broke out a decent game to actually but it just feels like lillard always gets the upperhand. So maybe he's just twenty but he's always ready to celebrate a to pull it out there to offer that monster step back. He's just like ready so maybe he's fit or something that he wears. He's got to watch on one hand and then sometimes big shot. He's like how many steps i mean. Maybe maybe one. The only thing i can think of to is like you said trae like back in the day he would do more of a tapping right look at my watch so that he's tapping his left right so he's actually like as if the object is there. At makes more sense it would be on his left if he's got but now him the mining of looking at a fake watch. Maybe i'll just thinking. I'd just do like what i go right hand. Even though i wear my watch on. I left hand. You know. maybe there's something there it's like the actual action of the tapping to the mining of looking at it. That you would just go right hand. We got to put in a word to her to get the final info this or i guess we could probably like zoom in on some pictures of lillard walking into the arena. Surely he's got a watch on in some of these. I think you just made up. A new segment were already do that. Actually maybe maybe maybe just wear a watch one game. Why not it's illegal. I mean tennis players thirty other person. I was not a fan. You ever in a pickup run in sungai. Watch on or a ring. Even it's can be dangerous. Fingers can get caught. Like i've broken more than one guy who's wearing a chain not just through like fingers get caught and then they get upset at you. Would it would take off. Man i mean is he gonna dislike bucket off him now. You know what. I mean like it happens. Just get rid of your jewelry. Unless is watching you damian. Lillard courage wearing a watch. Play all right. We've got lots more here still on this one but a quick word from our sponsors valentine's day is coming up and for a lotta guys that can added pressure to perform. I mean there's a dinner gotta make this year. I'm not going out. There's chocolates flowers got higher mariotti band. of course. then you got install the swing over the bed gotta make sure my bread. Jones costume is still pandemic. then there's the five kilograms of feathers. 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Officially on the beach later today on wednesday. I'm actually calling an audible here. Like i'm in the super bowl like i'm tom brady. Or patrick mahomes. Who calls moore audibles trae. I'm guessing brady. But i have no idea. Maybe mahomes is calling a lot at the line. But i'm going to save this longer. One that we have a great one from wilkerson about an offensive player of the year award. Save it. we're going to put it in our pocket and get to it later in the week. Because i think it'll take a little while to actually really breakdown so lee. We're going to get your bradley. Beal trade that you teased about the bulls but we have one question because we're on the beach we've got ask question. Hi boys i think. I have the last part of the no dunks trifecta in a game. Wedgie big beefs the rebounds and lonely perfection. That's a working title lonely perfection. What does that. it's when someone makes ten or more free throws in a game without a miss being perfect from the lonely a spot on the court. Lee could give a practice your free throw kids at the end of the segment or something like that. This idea from heidar now. This was this no dunks affect. I think it came up in. Mba happy hour last week. What would be the three things in game. So what do you think we know the wedgies one. We know big beasts twenty rebounds as the other one. The third one from heidar lonely perfection. Ten free throws without a minnesota game. What do you think. I think it's a great idea. But i'm actually gonna loa the The standard a little bit. Because i believe while. I believe you only need to make like eight free throws and again to be perfect because even though bait. Yeah but listen. If you wanna go. Eight out of ten from the line would be eighty percent and eighty percent is like where you should be in the nba as a free throw shooter so you can make eight. You don't have to go eight of ten. I'm just saying if you can make eight. And that is lonely perfection. Because then you're at the threshold where you can hold on eight for eight or ten now. It's like if you can get right with. The russian has to be a part of this. Yeah that's what i'm saying but by the time you get to eight for right then you're at the threshold. Where even if you miss the next to you. Still at eighty percent which is the benchmark of what every nba players should be at the free throw. We're not celebrating eighty percent. I've no but i think the saying if you make eight eight right yes. That is perfection on the north. Okay right okay but then but then you then you made it sound like if you missed number nine. Don't worry we'll still give you a little perfection but you'll at least be at the at the threshold with every nba player should be ninety percent. Okay okay so what do you think. Trae nour's proposal here while i'm with mellow on this one. Eight of eight is not snatching anybody's chain on the core for eight at least give me a ten for ten lonely perfection. It sounds it actually sounds pretty good. I like that the name of it. But i think we just need to give this a little bit of time here. Big beef just started one month ago. The wedges has been around for seven years. Who knows what the next thing is going to be. Who knows if big beef has the staying power of the wedgie. The more and more. I think about it the wedgies our greatest contribution to basketball. It's like inventing the word swish. It's pretty impressive. Stuff is big. Beef is good wedgie not yet maybe it will be in seven years and maybe in seven years we find the perfect trifecta. But i'm loving people sending in their ideas. Apparently we're gonna start getting free. Throw highlights now zach. Lowe aren't buddy is tracking close out highlights last night. Oh that was nice clothes. Undisclosed this getting ridiculous. Where are you going to be tracking every single thing. I'm surprised there's not a screen. Assists highlight package on the utah jazz. But i don't know it does feel to me like we've got a nice to hear in the wedgie and the big beef the esp feels like the natural third one to me but there's always a lot of debate about whether or not a player too sexy solid enough. You know sometimes a guile finished with a soft dongo like okay. It's a donkey is if it's a lefty lay up. But it was a softy so i guess it's not a very it's a heads up highlight of the night. Are you ripping packs tomorrow on thursday. I'm looking forward to seeing some guy from A former fbi player in a boat soon. pop and lips yeah. I don't mind this free. Throws i love it because we know lee loves the free throw like that link to the show but i also just like we already have the rebounds like we already have a stat based one you know what i mean and like do we want another one for the trifecta because obviously the wedgie is a not showing up in the box score. Maybe i don't know like somebody look up like how how common or rare gas says better way to put. It is like someone going perfect at the line with ten free throws in a game like i know that happens but i. I can't imagine it's happened. How many times. This season hasn't happened three. Maybe which is good. I'm not saying that bad. I want something. That's pretty rare. I don't want it to happen every second game. But if you look that up. I would love to know that. I'm not sure. Hey you would sort get so. Let me see off on deep into the stat head. So we'll have an answer. We can always circle back to that. Yeah so if you have another idea though i know dunks trifecta i'll let us know right now. I'm only perfection. It's it's in play. it's not a bad one. it's a great name. That's another part. You got a nice name for it. It's like hell when we used to come up for segments on the show. We came up with the name first. And then whatever the heck it was show tomorrow so you need to come up with a nice. Catchy thing wedgies big beef lonely perfection. Wow this this seems ridiculous. Talked me eighty two times. Last year lobby went at least ten of ten from the line. Eighty two times talking ten plus the best game. What am i seeing here credible. James harden twenty four for twenty four double lonely perfection. What does it mean incredible stuff. I mean eighty two times. That's too often. I honestly shocked. That happens so often. The guys are going ten of ten from the line. Yeah that's that's. I would not have guessed i was gonna guess like maybe fifty thinking that was going to be on the high end to mike sula. Eighty two times look at that. Okay well again get your ideas in love it love it so far though hide are really appreciate the email guys know dunks. The athletic dot com. Okay let's do the bill trade really again. We got inspire somebody on the bulls because we inspired for advanced franchise record fifty four after we had him traded into the wizards yesterday for some sort of package. So what do you got. What do you got for okay. So yeah we're trying to get him to the bulls this because it's not going to happen at all but the salaries obviously make it so easy with auto porter junior the bill. But if you're the wizards wizard you're going to say no give us at least sack levin. We don't want auto back here. Who do you think. Allred of bradley. Beal and auto porter. Oh god. I hope. It's auto porter but i'm sure it's not auto porter was born on june third nineteen ninety three and bradley beal was born june twenty eight nine hundred ninety three or how bradley bill was drafted before reporter A year before which is interesting but auto porter feels to me like one of those guys who's been around the league for way longer. It just feels like it's like it's that guy's in his twelfth season already. It just feels like that. He also just looks all too. Yeah yeah this year. S right now so you know for today's try. It was like well. I'm just gonna. I'm just going to take the low hanging fruit and say let's just try puerto for beal. And then the and the bulls have to give up. A couple of first round is to make it happen. Many many there we go. Yeah i mean all there's right. I believe three first round. Does if you're the whiz swaps three and three and two swaps. What do you say trae. I'm in the ball's draft in the top ten for the past four seasons. Let's stop drafting guys and get some real all stars in here. That's not a bad idea. Okay well i would like to say levin and bill how they would work together because little levine's like game is really extended out. They can shoot that three now. Shoot with confidence. Obviously i mean he's become a very consistent shooter. So would that backcourt would that. Would that work. I think athletically. It'd be great to have someone like bill he can get inside throws he can drive. You can cut and you've got to defend. Defend him on the perimeter to so. It's an interesting intriguing match-up there and of course s try mentioned yesterday. Billy donovan was bills coach in florida. So you know it'd be it'd be. I don't think it's going to happen on for sure. Thanks i think the wizards could maybe do better than than auto porter. If they want in the player category. I mean yeah throw a boatload of picks you maybe like i said maybe they just want that instead but this is unlikely like you said to trade. I think it was yesterday. Man bill and levin score a lot of points but they would be given a whole lot back on the other. That's true skeets. But i mean i know you saw the tweet last night zach. Ll bean is putting up. Michael jordan numbers balls are so back. That we're getting photoshop's of zach levine. And michael jordan giving the a pound. Are you kidding me. You put bradley beal next to the next michael jordan. That's an guaranteed championship team. Right there but being serious i would trade any of the balls. Young guys except for patrick williams. Anna bradley beal trained. I think it's time we talked about it yesterday. How they are of deep into this rebuild even though it feels like it's just starting the season kobe white high hopes for him. I think can still be a sixth man of the year sometime in this league. Lee picked him this season despite the fact that he's starting but he has a future in this league he's a talented young player lowery market and we've seen hats had a few flashes of big games went out carter. Junior hasn't been able to stay on the court. Necessarily but i would trade any of those three guys plus otto porter plus some pics for bradley. Beal i'm not even the hugest fan. Just ready for the balls to take the next step. Yeah lowery markkanen. Feels like such a wizards player to me too. I can actually just sort of picture in a wizards truce. Thinking of davis bertans. Well no no no no. You're thinking of wagner. No no no. You're thinking of andrews patricia. As paul very nice full. Yeah maybe i am just melting them all together marketing. All right good stuff. Louis mailed that one in continue tomorrow. Can we get your head to a rafters trade. Deng yesterday don't tell me the team. Just just come up with something trade into the g. league for like pissing off people okay. 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Divide taking some credit for that that fifty four point nine. I've i'm telling you get fifty four out there and do it and it was a little dig at his buddy there. Kyle larry so great not on twitter for the raptors good stuff. That's an easy one but an obvious. Great one good. Good stuff okay. Pick them results. Clippers nets was our game. I swerved swerves working so far in february we had task swerving on the first night. He got the victory. Nice word last night. You guys all took. The clippers made sense. It was close but the nets covered. Who is getting a little dicey there but they cover right at the end. So i got the victory. I'm one in one test loss last night. So he's now one and you guys have started to so you're for so far early in february we get ten games on tonight. There's an espn doubleheader. But our game. All it's the who's more back bowl to yes. We are running the back of the knicks versus the bulls and trae. Kirby's chicago bulls are favored by three and a half. So let's just start with trae bulls by three and a half easy. Pick for you or are you. Are you swerving go with the. The swerve sounds tantalizing skates. That's kind of a big for the bullies but there's no way i'm picking against them in the. Who's most ballpark too. I got to go with the bulls. If i ended up losing this month because i pick the balls every time the pick and pay off. That's called loyalty. That's dedication and positively. I'm fine with it win. Bowls win five twenty okay but when it will blow blowout win. Okay they just gotta win by four or more leelee or are you. Taking the knicks to cover young bulls eye. It's the bulls closed the game so impressively the other night against the knicks. I think they can do it again. I'm surprised on the three and a half. I thought it might have been a touch higher through them out of even just got one more point there but yeah i. I'm keeping myself this morning. Because i had a rule that i'm not picking against kevin durant at all in the pick and pale and i did last night and it cost me. So i'm taking the bulls to three and a half. I think they've got four points in them. Okay now i now. I just gotta know who tasks is picking before. I make my pick. Because i might have to continue the source so so let's find a who task has in this game. We're getting Show tonight and the knicks. Don't have the offense to match. Gimme the boss swerve. Why not look at the bulls can still with game can cover. It can be close once. I'll take new york. Let's see if we can make it three in a row with the one lone guy. Whoever he's picking getting the victory. i got the knicks. Everybody else has the balls to win by four. Let's call it there because we do have the second show coming up. I mean really. This is our third show of the day tasks what you need to know. Go check that out. It's up on youtube. It's in your podcast feed. 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Lakers Defeat Cavs As Buyout Market Heats Up

Lakers Nation Podcast

50:19 min | 2 months ago

Lakers Defeat Cavs As Buyout Market Heats Up

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles. Yes is the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane. Hello Lakers Nation welcome and I haven't been able to say this in a while but the Lakers pick up the win. Yeah, they do get the win over the Cleveland Cavaliers month much-needed. I know it was just the Cavs. I don't care. It had been four games in a row. The Lakers had lost I needed to see I know a lot of you need is needed to see a Lakers win and we got that tonight. So we're going to break down this game. What did not go right in the first quarter or first half what went wrong in that first step. And then what went right in the second half. We're going to talk a little bit about Dennis Schroder the hustle. He showed Montrezl Harrell his impact Kyle kuzma. Does he need to be more of a scorer? We're going to talk about all of that plus the Bayou Market what is going on with Andre Drummond LaMarcus, Aldridge. Are the Lakers going to land one of these Marquee big men that and a lot more tonight on this show. I am Trevor Lane for lakersnation.com. Make sure you do subscribe to the Lakers Nation YouTube channel by Leaps and Bounds. They're so thankful for all of you who have been tuning and I am taking your questions and comments from YouTube Facebook Periscope coming in two nights and make sure you tell us those at me. If you hear me call your name tonight. Any point I call your name, you get one of these you get it lakersnation.com license plate frame. All you got to do is shoot me a DM on Twitter at Trevor underscore lane lane. Send me your name your email address and your email address. And of course if you're listening over on Apple podcast. Thank you for listening there and make sure you do rate review And subscribe got a nice review on there. I was just checking them out the other day off actually a little bit a little bit ago. I was checking out a few and one mentioned that they really liked my voice. That was nice to hear not everybody does so I appreciate that. All right, let's get into this take a look at this game. And you know what? Well again, the Lakers got a win and it was a good win. It was just a solid win where they got it done with defense 102 eighty-six. They get the double years old friend Larry Nance Jr. For the Cavs. My goodness, 17 points ten boards five assists nice outing for him. Great to see great dude, Larry Nance Jr. But it was the Lakers who really stole the show in the second half Murphy Flores coming up big for the Lakers 13 points. Don't normally see him in double-digits five boards plus a block three of seven from Deep kuzma only four points, but eight boards and seven assists again finding ways to log in even when he's not scoring so you gotta like that they're from him but 17 points from Dennis Schroder probably the story of the game four steals seven. It says five boards for of 10 shooting out for of Sorry 7 or 12 shooting my screen skipped a bit. They're seven of twelve shooting one of two from the three-point line two of two from the free throw line for steals seven turn off, but he had the ball in his hands pretty much the entire game whenever he was on the floor. He had the ball. So I guess we'll forgive him from that. But is he going to get paid? We need to talk a little bit about that cuz I'm getting a bit nervous about the job situation. And then of course Montrezl Harrell, ho-hum. Just doing Montrezl Harrell. Thanks 24 and 10. Come on mantras ten or fifteen shooting. Imagine. If you shot better than fifty percent from 3/4 of a table. I'm sorry from the free throw line for of eight from the free throw line tonight. That's not going to get it done. But seven offensive boards 10 boards and seven of them are on the offensive end just more amazing stuff from my name is Harold gotta love that. All right, let's get into some of your comments here some of your questions. I've seen people talking about k c p a little bit 145 from 3 tonight for kcpc. Yep. Points not great there. I thought he was a little bit better defensively but not a great outing all around from him. Somebody's saying r a r v 14 from YouTube says where's my license plate frame idea and you last year? Well, shoot me another one. It's possible that it got missed or perhaps something happened in the Mets or something like that and sometimes I get I'm not saying you did this, but I do get people who send me their mailing address, but it's not a complete like they forget to put in the ZIP code or something to that effect doesn't get put in and then it doesn't end up getting to you. So shoot me another one sent me another DM. I'll send them over. We just send out a new batch today. All right, let's see. Carolyn Dennis are great. Paul Wainwright from Facebook trades is a monster took the challenge versus Alan after getting blocked. I love that because that was a monstrous block. That was like Dwight Howard last night blocked res interest still came back fighting. He's not the kind of guy that suffers this big block and then he's just not really himself for the rest of the game because somebody blocked his shot at the Ridge Road Island. That was a great block by the way journal and such a steal for the Cavs for them to get him in that James Harden trade snuck into that deal stole Value Houston, man. That trade is looking worse for them every single day. But Jared Allen Block stresses shawntrez does not let that discourage him. He comes right back continues going after him scores some buckets on Jared Allen makes him great jobs to the basket some tremendous passes, by the way from from Dennis Schroder running the pick-and-roll with Montrezl Harrell looked really good there and tries. Of course just putting the ball in the basket gotta love that the Lakers game. him doing that we are going to talk a bit more about this game. But let's talk a little bit about the market as well. I'm getting a question here the name flew past me. So I'm sorry. I don't think it is Mister tornado. Finally found it. Do you think Lou Williams will get bought out by the Hawks. I don't think so. I don't think he's going to get bought out by the Hawks if he is come on down. Come on back Lou. I know maybe there's some hard feelings because the Lakers traded him away understandable right traded him to the Houston Rockets, but Lou Williams could give you that scoring punch in right now with the news that Anthony Davis still going to be out a little bit longer still going to be missing LeBron for a few more weeks. Luke could help get you through that. We've seen look the Lakers they played well tonight in the office have but it was their defense. They got the job done not their offense. Their offense has not been good. I mean look they had what was it 28 points 28 points 22 points 22 points. That's by quarter. What they scored didn't touch 30 points in a quarter only put up a hundred points on the night. Their offense has really struggled without LeBron. And without Anthony Davis and the Williams is the kind of guy who can come in you can give them the ball and you can set you could say hey go get us a bucket and that's perfectly within his skill set to go do that. Now you can argue maybe you're not gonna be able to use them as much in the playoffs teams will switch off him absolutely valid concerns, but in my mind if he if you're picking him up on the Bayou Market, it's not costing you anything really to veteran minimum. Salary. Bring them in I would be all for it. But that said, I don't think the Hawks are going to just just buy him out and just let him go. There was a report that where he talked a little bit about potentially retiring when he found it found out he got traded he was so hurt by the fact that the Clippers had traded away. So I don't know where his head's at exactly but skill-set wise sure I would take him on now. Keep in mind though. I'm not saying Lou Williams over Andre Drummond or over a big or something. The Lakers have two roster spots available. So it's a guy like that in addition to one of those pigs. Make sure we make that distinction there. All right. Let me get into a few more of a lot of people asking what is going on with Andre Drummond. All right, let's just talk about I know we need to talk about this the Lakers just one we need to talk with this game too. But all my questions and comments are coming in saying what is going on with Andre Drummond? Okay, let's just let's talk about it and then we'll get into the game and just a bit Andre Drummond right now is listening to pitches from all these teams from the Lakers the Clippers the Celtics reportedly according to wuji already heard the Celtics pitch the Knicks home in the Hornets. And now we're starting to hear that the Celtics could be an actual threat. The Lakers are still from what we've heard the leader but this is not if you were in the lead, you don't want to hear. Oh this team is now is not in the running know you just just get it done. You just want to hear. Yeah, he's not even going to listen to these other teams. She's going to be a Laker that does still seem to be the most likely outcome. But these other teams are getting into the mix which to a degree we knew was going to happen. I we were saying it weeks ago if Andre Drummond gets bought out there is going to be a Feeding Frenzy every team is going to be after him. The question is who can actually get him and I think what's really interesting is John Smith on the front office showed that that I host with him earlier today. He's very plugged in Celtic side. And he said what he was hearing was that Drummond might not care that much about wage right now and that's the feather in the cap for the Lakers over a team like the Celtics because the Lakers can say, hey Andre look come here and you can win a championship. I don't think the Celtics can say that I mean they gotta win tonight. The Celtics are more of a middle-of-the-pack team in the East they're not one of the favorites to come out of the conference. I think there's some teams that are clearly ahead of them. But if Andre Drummond doesn't care that much about winning because he's twenty-seven and he doesn't feel like LaMarcus Aldridge does or Blake Griffin does where it's like, hey, let's get one more shot at this thing Andre Drummond feels like he still has plenty of time left if winning isn't the huge priority for him right now, then that does level the playing field a little bit between say the Celtics and the Lakers or the Knicks and the Lakers these other teams that are out there. The benefit of coming to the Lakers is you'll win an NBA championship and you can get yourself in the spotlight and you can get those minutes now. We're assuming the Lakers would call up Andre Drummond and say hey, here's starting minutes. Here's thirty minutes a night who's minutes get cut. What do you do with Treads? There's some question marks their Boston just traded away their Center Daniel theis so now they've got a whole they're that Drummond could just come in. Take the majority of their minutes. So that's going to hold appeal to him from what we're hearing. That is what Drummond wants minutes. He wants opportunity. That's what's going to matter the most to gain. So again, if I'm the Lakers, I'm going to Andre Drummond and I am telling him you were getting those minutes. They're going to you you're playing thirty minutes a night. You will man the middle for us and we will if we have to palm trees at the four we'll figure something out Marcus sold will go down to 5 to 10 minutes a night. Whatever. It is Andre Drummond in order to get him. You've got to be willing to give him those minutes. I think it's going to be important that life do go ahead and offer that opportunity. There are some Rumblings that this is an East Coast guy might want to stay on the East Coast. But again, I still feel like the Lakers are in the lead here for him, but I'm going to be a little nervous until we get official word that he is indeed going to the Lakers. So I'm hopeful still hopeful that the Lakers will indeed get him, but we'll see again some other teams Thursday to get into the mix at this point. Let's see here. We've got a lot of other comments coming in. What do you think about schruder? Oh, somebody said what do we think about Shooters injury look it was an awkward injury for sure. It was an awkward one. That's just the way he landed but you know what? It's I think he's going you should be. Okay from what from what I saw squids E from YouTube said do you think kcp should have gotten treated? Oh, somebody said offer drum and a spot in the next in the Office Space Jam. Yeah, come on book LeBron. Maybe he needs to kind of, you know, give him a call and actually what we've been hearing is that the Lakers players are indeed recruiting Drummet doesn't hurt. So LeBron gets on the weapons. They say, what do you think? What do you want to roll in a movie? Come join the Lakers? Wouldn't mind that happening but somebody asking when is he going to decide we've heard within the next 24 hours. So red alert. I know we just spent all day yesterday refreshing Twitter like crazy because I bought a lottery thing but I think we're kind of doing the same waiting for Andre Drummond to make a decision here. As far as the kcp question goes to should have been traded. Let's address the big brake package, right? Let's let's talk kcp Dennis Schroder Talen horton-tucker for Kyle Lowry the deal that did not happen the Raptors made it was so weird. The Raptors made all the song wolves. They cleared the roster space even just what 30 minutes before the deadline. They were ready for it. And then they just said nevermind we're not going to do it. They were waiting assuming that someone was going to Cave someone was going to give and give them what it was they wanted and what they watch it was Taylor Horton Tucker from the Lakers or they wanted Tyler hero from the Miami Heat by now. You probably know this story, but I think there's something that's changed in the way. We need to look at this house because let me tell you I was at the deadline. I was pretty firm. You don't trade Talen horton-tucker if that's what it comes down to if it's Taylor Horton Tucker or No Deal or yeah, you don't trade them. That's where I was at. I didn't feel like you should deal tht in this trade because not because of what he is right now, but because of what I could see him be coming in two or three years and I know I know there's a strong argument you can make that. Hey LeBron James has Windows right now you do whatever you can to help him win right now, but I'm looking for sustainability and I think that you're already taking a pretty big hit by losing your starting backcourt in Dennis Schroder and Casey. And there's some celery relief coming if you do move kcp, there's some some benefits of pros and cons there no question, but that leaves a lot of holes to film and so that was all kind of wrapped up in my concerns and why I was on the side of life you don't do this trade, however, however I did not know. Maybe I missed it that about a week ago Dennis Schroeder. Spoke very favorably about the free-agent experience about getting two free agency and boosting to offers and he reiterated that last night if I'm the Lakers and they had the sense that Dennis Schroder was going to hit free agency regardless of what their offer was. And he was going to test the market. I think I would have done the deal. I think I would have done it. I would have pulled the trigger and here's why Dennis Schroder. I understand if he's upset with the Lakers right off totally understandable and don't give he played great tonight and we want to talk more about that in the way he played but if you're a title contending team like the Lakers, you can't allow one player to be in that position. You just can't I was going into this trade deadline assuming okay the worst case scenario, right? If they don't get a deal done. They don't ship out Dennis shooter there at an image as contractually. Okay, so maybe the Lakers have to give a little bit and pay a little bit more than they want, but they're not going to lose right? They're not going to lose them. So I always okay with hey you decide you're not going to Trader but if Schroeder is that determined to hit the market and to see what's out there that even if the Lakers increase their offer to him. He still wouldn't take it. And who knows we don't know where the Lakers are at offer wise. We don't know exactly what shorter once we know he can get four years over twenty million per year. But if he is determined and decided that he will not accept an extension and instead he wants to live her listen to offers and free agency. Goodbye. You trade him. You can't allow a player to hold you hostage like that. And again, there's nothing wrong. I don't want to vilify Dennis Schroder e that he has that right contractually. He's earned that right. He's never been a free agent. Of course. He wants to find out what it's like to for how to have teams come and and Pitch him on joining. There should be no problem with that but the Lakers in a championship contending spot a team that is over the cap cannot replace him. They can't if he goes somewhere else. It's just too bad so sad Lakers. There's nothing they can do to bring in anybody to replace them. They don't then get that say $16 in salary to go spend out there. And so because of that I think you can't take that risk, you can't take it and part of that. I kind of developed that mentality way back in 2013 when Dwight Howard did what he did and and bolted to the Houston Rockets and I said never again never again. You cannot do that. You should allow a guy to string you along and say no, I like the Lakers. I love being a Laker but then decided that he wants to look around in free agency. You can't allow assets to walk away for nothing. You find a trade-off you move that player if they are not willing to commit and so if I had realized that if I had known that Dennis Schroder was that determined to look around and free agency. My mind would have been on the other side of pull the trigger do the deal or at the very least have a backup deal to get him somewhere to get him somewhere else bring in something whatever you can do. Now it's possible that The Back-up offer simply weren't enough if they were out there to where it was worth it just to keep him use them for the playoff run and that's it. You feel like you would have a better chance to win an NBA championship with him this season then if you'd moved him for what you were going to get that's totally possible. We don't know the inner workings of those negotiations, but that is now the scenario that the Lakers are staring down is dead schruder playing out the season going into free agency and making them sweat now again, he said he wants to be a Laker. He said he wants to stay all good things. But he's also at the same time saying he wants to look at his options and free agency and that's a dangerous thing for your Laker. So that's why I think I again had I realized that ahead of the trade deadline. I would have been much more on the side of town. You probably have to make this deal as much as I like tht and I want to keep him and I want to see him continue to grow and I think k c p is better than what we've seen over the last six seven weeks or so. I think he can turn it back around. That that schruder issue to me. That would have been the Tipping Point. So that's where I'm at currently and people saying he's not loyal and things like that. No, I mean look the Lakers just spent the entire trade deadline day trying to trade him. So of course he's going to be a little bit upset and don't let's not assume. He's just gone right that's not necessarily going to happen a lot can happen between now and the offseason most likely scenario is he still sticks around but it's pretty catastrophic for the Lakers if he doesn't and that's the scenario that I'd be trying to avoid. Home equity from YouTube sandtrap. Did you notice the tht was finishing at the room with his right hand a lot tonight? Yeah. I mean he he used his left. What was the last night? But tonight he was back to he's not right in the weird angles and all of that kind of stuff. But I also think that we saw some really nice plays by THD tonight. I certainly looked a lot better they did last night, of course against a bad team tens of thousands who said Dennis said he wants a fair deal. Yeah. I mean that's that's great on the surface. That sounds great. That's a but what is a fair deal. What does that mean? What's a what what's fair to one person does not mean it's not necessarily mean fair to another person. I mean there's varying definition they're so what exactly is a fair deal to Dennis Schroder a fair deal might be you give me everything I'm asking for four years twenty plus million dollars per year year and then maybe I'll consider staying with you that could be fair to him. We don't know. We don't know exactly where their lives Philip John Fabian said, this is probably boosting his value. That's the other thing. That's the other thing here is that part of this could just be posturing by Dennis Schroder to make sure that the that the Lakers sweat a little bit so he gets the best deal possible. These things happen these things happen. Can we sign Kevin Lee can we sign-and-trade Dennis? Yes, so that wouldn't have to be the ideal scenario right for the Lakers if he decides to go somewhere else you sign and trade him to get something. It's possible though that a team with cap space comes along and describes him and that's it. Nothing you can do but the ideal scenario of sure decides. He does not want to be a link or any longer which again we don't have any indication that but if you decide you no longer wants to be a Laker ideal scenario would be a sign-and-trade and then you could get something back for him and you wouldn't be left with nothing. Brian Carpio said Laurie is a free agent next year. That's also a risk. Yeah, absolutely. Look when I'm looking at the lottery trade teams were informed. Hey, he wants next year. What we heard was twenty five thousand and twenty five million the year after that and you have to agree to that. So if you were trading for him, it was under the understanding that he was going to stick around that you would be getting him. You would just need to give him this new dish New Deal. So then that would have to be part of any if you didn't have that guarantee then of course, yeah, you're you're not doing that right? You're not doing that trade, but I think that was something that was kind of baked in like hey if you're trading for how long you're going to be willing to give him this contract afterwards. Latoya Taylor said from YouTube. Can we sign-and-trade shooter in the summer? Yes. Yeah that is still a possibility and if he does decide he's leaving that's the ideal scenario. and I know people saying twenty-five million is a lot. Yeah, I know it is a lot but it's also kind of Larry and the Lakers appeared to be a little bit more willing to give Kyle Lowry 25 million each season for two seasons. So fifty million total then eighty million plus for Dennis Schroder over Four Seasons That's I mean based on the fact that they tried to trade schruder in a deal for Lowry kind of what that tells us. Lowery's are really good players still. let's talk a little bit more about this game tonight, and then I will get back into some of the The transactional stuff. So let's do the next man up award who we've already kind of been talking about just a bit. Here we go. All right, next man up Awards in night. You probably know who's got to get this one. It's done a shrewder. I know look I'm seeing some people say Treads. He is absolutely worthy of it tonight 24 points ten boards ten or fifteen shooting great stat line, but the feel of the game the vibe of this game was hinging on Dennis Schroder thought he was the Lakers offense. He was the guy that was created whenever he came out the Lakers looked not good not good. For sure 17.7. It says four steals one block. He was every where the energy the effort that chase down block everything. He was doing out there really lifted the Lakers and so I'm going with Dennis sugar as the next man up tonight. I thought he did a tremendous job. And I know if she were saying seven turnovers the higher turnovers. Don't bother me as much right now if it's seven turnovers and LeBron is playing that's a problem seven turnovers and And he's handling the ball every single second that he's out there. That's just kind of natural. It's going to happen because you're handling the ball so much. It's not ideal. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see three turnovers right to track hours now be great, but it's more understandable when he's got the ball in his hands and he's creating for everybody else every single possession that he's on the floor. Okay, so the higher turnovers are a little bit more adjustable under those circumstances, but I thought that he had a really nice night tonight. So so I went with with Dennis Schroder Somebody said the love that the Lakers showed cook was also special. Yeah, you gotta you know Quinn cook you feel for him. He loved being a Laker but hopefully I really hope he finds success with jobs and continues on good dude really cares about Los Angeles and and he is just well loved by all the players somebody asking Steven B Smith from did you see the DeMarcus Cousins video? No, I'm not I did not see the DeMarcus Cousins video, but I tend to take workout videos with a grain of salt right? I mean look, I mean, if you go far in a fact that the infamous EG only on workout video where he said look tremendous where his Defender was a folding chair literally hate folding chair workout videos can be deceptive. But that being said, we know what DeMarcus Cousins can do. We know what his skill-set is we know that he's a talented offensive player and he probably does look pretty good in workout videos, but He's not exactly what the Lakers need. There's a bit of a skill-set duplication with Marcus all we know the Lakers need Rim protection. They need help on the boards and they need somebody who who can protect the rim, right or who can who can play defense at a high level and perhaps be allowed threat on offense. Those things aren't really DeMarcus Cousins. There's not took him. It's not really in his skill-set at this point. Now if we're talking to Marcus cousins five years ago. Absolutely. The talent level is so high you would say. Well, I know he's not exactly what we need. But look how good he is bring him off. And of course if it's DeMarcus Cousins five years ago, he's not on the market right now. So cousins is he's a player that I like a lot but because the Lakers already have Marcus all I don't think he feels the need for the Lakers in terms of the skill set. So I would go Andre Drummond over him. But again, I would love to see cousins come back and find a lot of success because I really felt for him last year suffering the injury again. Just a rough go for sure. Christian Lucas had signed Trevor Lane. Do you want to win games? Don't sign me. Don't put me out there on the court. That would not be good. That would not be good Christian. People asking why all the people asking about Kyle kuzma what happened with him the Kyle kuzma hate yo, Kyle kuzma I look at a game like this and right now with no LeBron. No Anthony Davis Dodge. This is the ideal scenario for Kyle kuzma to step up and be that scoring option to be that guy that's going to give you 20 Sunrise 25 points. That's what he did last night twenty five points per night, right? That's that's what you found kuzma right now tonight the Four Points what gives me only took seven shots over 3 from 3. Oh, but wait eight boards and seven assists. This is what Kyle kuzma been this season the chameleon, right? He's been able to adjust his role even game-by-game to what the Lakers needed tonight again didn't shoot a lot but he also didn't force things a lot either and Frank Vogel has been very proud of him for doing that for not forcing things for playing within himself for playing within the team and recognizing what it is the team needs. So for most of the Season Kyle kuzma has not been asked or he's been focused. On rebounding boxing out playing defense passing the ball doing all of these other things to help the team win because they had enough scoring tonight. They had enough of the scoring punch to get going off without him. They didn't need him to do that. Now again in general we would like to see him pick up the scoring and so Four Points sure. It's a little bit disappointing but I think he also impacted the game on the boards off with his passing and we would not be saying this last year the year before in those Seasons if Kyle kuzma was not scoring the ball. That was it. That was he wasn't doing anything else out there. He has to his credit rounded out his game. So yeah, you need more than four points for him in general. You need more than that with LeBron and AD out, but the the glass is half-full approach to this is that he was still effective despite not scoring and so I think we can appreciate that. Kyrie Irving, I know it's not really Kyrie said are you doing the Master Lock? Yes. I am. I just got ranted on a few things here, but we do need to get into the Master Lock wage night. We're about about that point. So let me know. What are you guys think? What are you guys doing fiber. Before? I even tell you what the Master Lock in the night is fire it off in the comments. Let me know what you guys think whether you're coming in from YouTube app Facebook from Periscope who should be put in the Master Lock to night. Here we go. And I'm all right. I'm just going through some of these responses here and they are pretty good. I'm seeing some good ones see a lot of people saying Master Lock the turnovers. Once again, the turnovers were particularly bad. 23 turnovers for the Lakers tonight. Thank goodness. They were playing the Cavs. By the way again, I don't look at this game and think oh, you know what the Lakers are good now. Everything's fine smooth sailing from here. They're going to win games. Now the cabs are really bad. But that said I'm still going to focus on the positive here. I think 23 turnovers. Absolutely Master Lock worthy know if I I feel like Master locking a person tonight not going to master like a concept like turnovers. Yeah, they're bad. We know that that's gotta get better. I'm going to put the master lock on Darius game tonight, and he played fine 14.5 assist 64171 / 6 from 3. Remember there was a point in time where we thought Darius Garland was going to be the Lakers pick fourth overall for they traded that pick to get Anthony Davis. Yeah, there was there was definitely there is a alternate reality out there where Darius Garland is a Laker right now because they used that fourth pic. I don't think I want to go to that reality cuz they probably didn't win a 17th NBA championship. But I'm put the master lock on Darius Garland not because you played poorly but because of one defensive play where he very clearly and he took the flagrant foul Ford slid his foot under West Matthews who was shooting the ball and I think the NBA has become too touchy with Shooters. I think they have become a little bit to ticky-tack in terms of protecting sisters were seeing too many times were guys are flailing flopping jumping into defenders in order to get three free throws. It's bothersome and I think it's something the NBA really needs to look at they need to put in some sort of a rule that it has to be a natural shooting Motion in order for it to be considered a shot. None of this stuff where a guys jumping three feet to his right and pretending to just hurl a ball at the rim and get better happens to be running past him and gets the foul. I'm tired of that stuff. Okay, so that's not what I'm talking about. But Darius Garland contestants shot and then scooted his right foot forward to get it under West Matthews, and I'd like to thank God. That it was accidental that I was not something he did intentionally, but it's a very dangerous play could have injured West and so that's why I'm going to go with Darius Garland for the Master Lock of the night. Not the kind of say that you want to see All right. I know what you guys want to talk about here. Let's get into some more buyout talk right now. Let's get into some more buyout talk. So let's let me see what you guys have got off and I am taking a quick peek over here at Twitter as well just to see if if there's any comments coming out right now anything that we really need to get into from there. If there's any, you know, loads bombs or anything like that. People saying Master Lock Ron government for not being here. I'll have to make sure I let him know that. I've got some questions here about Avery Bradley Dominic Dominic from YouTube said Avery Bradley, what about him? Could there be a return for Avery Bradley that was Dave mcmenamin of ESPN who mentioned that we should keep an eye on Avery Bradley getting bought out with the Houston Rockets. He's only played ten games this year though. Only ten games from a be dead and I liked Avery Bradley a lot a lot last year and I thought it's not necessarily the offense with him. I mean, he's only shooting 36% from 3, whichever. Hey, that's league-average. You'll take that but he's just not a major threat on the often, but he's good defensively really good. Probably one of the best defensive guards in the NBA. I think you can make the argument though that with Avery Bradley. There is just like if you were to bring a DeMarcus Cousins with Marcus all with Avery Bradley, there is some skill set duplication with k c p with Alex Caruso in terms of being defensive guards now Caruso's on a different level defensively than k c p but still that's that's something to consider. I wouldn't say that Avery Bradley is exactly what the Lakers need. In fact, I think what they need is a wing Defender and I've seen the name pop up a few times already Otto Porter Jr. If he were to get bought out by the magic we were which were hearing is not going to happen by the way, maybe that changes but if a guy like Otto Porter Jr. Were to get bought out that's a guy I would take a chance on over and he's had some issues. Don't get me wrong, but I would take a chance on him over a month Bradley Bradley 6 to so realistically he is a guard Defender and I think the Lakers kind of already have that and Dennis Schroder has been pretty good defending guards as well. But I also look at a verb. as how do I want to say this delicately like West Matthews insurance? Basically, we don't know what we're getting out of West Matthews right now. There's some nights. We're defensively he looks good some nights. We're even office. He makes them good place. I thought he was fine for most of the night tonight. But we've also seen some really poor performances out of him as well tonight nine points five and five from the free throw line two or four shooting. I thought defensively home fine. So no problems. Maybe he continues doing this maybe he continues playing this way, but we've seen some really rough play from him over all this year and heading into the playoffs. I don't know if we're at the point yet where we feel like we can trust that we're going to get the good version of West Matthews come playoff time. And so Avery Bradley would give you that insurance policy of having another defense first guard slash Wing that you can put thier on the floor and he already knows Frank Vogel system. So you see the perfect fit know but if there isn't a true like 65268 Wing that can shoot a little bit from outside dog. And play some decent defense if that doesn't exist out there if that isn't on the market and you already got a big let's say you get an Andre Drummond. Okay, are you could talk me into Avery Bradley, but let me tell you guys off the thing that's got me that I think actually would be would make a lot of sense for the Lakers and I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think it's fairly likely to happen LaMarcus Aldridge and Andre Drummond. I know let's get crazy. Why not? The Lakers are meeting with both of them. That's what we've heard. The Lakers are going to pitch Aldridge. They're going to pitch drum and give them both why because the Lakers are missing Anthony Davis for at least a few more weeks. You're missing LeBron James, you put those two guys could just slide into your starting line-up. They would be your four and five. You will have a better chance of winning games right now with both of the guys in your roster in your lineup getting minutes for you is Aldrich flawed absolutely. Is he more of a five than a for right now? Absolutely, but I still think home Slide into that spot for the Lakers and you would have a better chance of winning games right now at least getting through this point without Anthony Davis now long-term. You're creating a log jab Log Jam by doing that in your front Court position. So again, I don't think it's going to happen. But if they were willing to go that route, I would not say no to Aldrich and Drummond coming on board. Yeah, that's a lot of bigs but given where the Lakers are at right now and the talent that they're lacking right now and then the ability to score the ball that Aldridge has I would I would not have a problem with that again, though. I think that's very unlikely. That's me pie-in-the-sky. Just dreaming. Okay, very unlikely that happens wage. But if that opportunity was out there. I know that fit wise long-term, it's not great. Ideally you probably want another Wing but I don't think I can turn that down. Kobe from YouTube with a last name that I all struggled to pronounce said what about Mo harkless? Yeah, if Moe harkless is out. There is absolutely if Moe harkless is out there three indy-style wing Defender. Yeah, I would go for that that's certainly a guy that you could go for JJ Redick already got traded to the mabs. So he's not going to be out there for you to get him Scott Morissette isn't a three point shooter needed as well. Yes, and that's why I'm emphasizing the three in terms of three indeed Wing Defenders and that's why the three-point shooting is a drawback for Avery Bradley home. I just don't know that that pure shooter is out there. Now that we've heard Wayne Ellington. There's nothing happening there. JJ Redick already got moved. I don't know that that Ace shooter is out there. Which is unfortunate because I think you can make an argument that the Lakers actually need shooting more than a big me. I think it's pretty even but they need both those things and they don't know that the shooting is out there The Bigs are out there. I don't know that shooting is out there. This guy 177 from YouTube Trevor Will Drummond. Wait until Monday heard. He's meeting with five teams to making his decision. The last thing Boge gave us was twenty-four hours. He could make his decision within 24 hours. So that's what I would anticipate. I mean look these teams they're going to want to get these guys in as quickly as possible. And it's not like this is new ride drumming is known for a while now. I mean, how long ago did the Cavs send him home that he was going to be going somewhere else and that most likely he was going to be bought out that they've probably wasn't going to trade for him. And so dramatist had a while to think about this. I don't think it's going to take that long for him to come to a decision. At least. I hope that it doesn't and I hope that he does pick your Los Angeles Lakers. But again, we'll have to wait and see right now. I would anticipate him making that decision tomorrow, I would hope but again that's just going off of what mode should said about how he's expecting a decision within 24 hours. The Celtics want him somebody mentioned. Yeah. There's a lot of teams that want Andre Drummond. That's it's not a surprise at all. Somebody said asmodai said what about Jabari Parker? I'd I don't think he's exactly what the Lakers need there in terms of a wing player. I know he's a big name and a number to pick formally and the NBA draft but is that a lot of chances and it just hasn't quite worked out with him. I would like to see a workout with him. I would love to see him figure out some way to resuscitate a career but I don't know if the Lakers have that opportunity for him to do that. I hope somebody picks him up and he gets an opportunity and he gets another chance and he proves himself and he sticks and I would love to see that happen. I just don't know that the Lakers are the right fit there. Ben McLemore, somebody mentioned sure. Yeah, Ben McLemore would be an interesting fit as well in terms of you know, you can question maybe the defense but I seem to remember him dropping a lot of Threes on the Lakers. A lot of people asking though about gorgui Jing. Yeah, I think I think that's another one and I like that he's out there at least right? Because we've been talking about what is the fallback? What if Drummond decides? No, I just want to stay on the East Coast. I'm not going to La I'm going to go to Boston. That would be awful or I'm going to go to New York because they're going to give me multiple years. That's the the other issue. Here is New York's got cap space. Maybe they offer him a multi-year deal because that's the gamble right now for Drummond is he wants to go somewhere that will give him a lot of minutes so that he can earn a another big contract in the offseason the Knicks can just offer him a contract now and then maybe he doesn't have to worry about like betting on himself for the next few months. So maybe that would have an have some appeal to him. But let's say they don't get drumming for some reason having another guy out there and gorgui Jing. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. You know, we we've been hearing okay, maybe Hassan Whiteside will be bought out but there's no guarantee there. So realistically if the Lakers don't get drumming and there's no Gorge. On the market and they don't get Aldridge. You're probably just bringing back Damian Jones or DeMarcus Cousins who I mean Joan skill-set fits better cousins probably the overall more talented Chef. So then you're making a decision there. Jane gives you that other option right where if there's no Drummond Aldridge goes to the heat, like everybody expects them to maybe he's a guy you can turn to page. Again. Drummond is Far and Away the top of my list. We're going to do a few more here. I'm just reading a few more questions that are coming in Arthur Arthur Cadwell said does Rondo make the Clippers better than the Lakers no money. No, I don't think so. And and by the way, I still have I've got my Rondo jersey hanging in my closet right over there. So Rondo, we love what we saw from him last year playoff run that lives. That's when we found out and how many times did we ask that question? Right? Can he be playoff run a while? We were just bemoaning the play that we saw during the regular season from Rondo and frankly how bad he looked he was not good during most of the regular season and we talked about that time and time again, and the the one disclaimer was always. Yes. He looks bad now, but God if playoff Rondo still exists if he can still turn it up in the playoffs. It will not matter. It'll be a good thing that he's on the team because he can help you out come playoff time as it turns out. That's exactly what he did. He was tremendous in the playoffs loved what we saw from him there. So that's what the Clippers are gambling on they are gambling that playoff Rondo still lives and he will show up for them this year. Think it's interesting. It's almost like they're trying to counteract like you've got you've got Paul George who is known for doing the opposite in the playoffs right from shrinking for the from the opportunity come playoff time. So make sure you balance that out by bringing in a guy one guy is really good in the regular season. Not that great in the playoffs know the guy bad two regular-season pretty good in the playoffs. Maybe they're trying to balance that out a little bit. But I think also just looking for they need another ball-handler. They need somebody who can get them into their sets who can get Kawhi the ball in the right spots Paul George the ball in the right spots and can just kind of orchestrate everything now, Lou Williams was getting picked off on a lot defensively. I think Rhonda will also get picked on defensively but he's probably a better Defender than Lily the Williams is so I do think he makes the Clippers better, but if the Lakers are at full strength and they pick up Drummond I'm going with the Lakers still going with the Lakers. But again, it's a it's a worthwhile gamble for for the Clippers. Cryptic villain Trevor. Can we get Lonzo ball if Dennis bounces? No, no, and the reason for that is because he will be a free agent or restricted free agent took hers don't have any money to spend in free agency. Okay, I should clarify that though. You could potentially do a double sign-and-trade with Dennis Schroder and Lonzo ball and have them flip flop, but do you want to pay loans about twenty million a year or more just like shooter cuz that's what he wants twenty plus million per year for Lonzo. So there there's a question there. Which one would you rather pay that money too if you're going to pay it to somebody so that's that's where that's at right now. It's not like they can just go and grab him on the job market. You're certainly not getting them for the mid-level exception. So the likelihood of getting Lonzo is miniscule. I've got a question here from YouTube Trevor. Would you have liked to do some pick on protections with the Pelicans and get Lonzo back? They aren't really protected pics wage point with the Lakers. The Pelicans have the pics that they've got. In fact that the pic production is actually reversed protection this year. It's protected one through eight. For the Pelicans which means the Pelicans only get the pic if it's a top-eight pick this year. Otherwise, it becomes the Lakers 2022 pick. So the Pelicans protected themselves from getting a late pick off. That's the way they did it reverse protection. Usually you see it the other way around where a team will like the Lakers the team giving up the pick will protect it through pics 1 through 4 or whatever which is what we saw the Chicago Bulls do with their pics going to the Orlando Magic and the Nikola vucevic trade. So that's normally what you see the Pelicans did a reverse protection on it. So there's there's not really anything to give up there to suddenly get Bonzo. All right, guys, we're going to do we're going to do one more. One more than we will call it an evening. All right, let's go with this gamer monster 5 from YouTube Trevor. Who would you sign in these two spots left? All right. So let's say ideally let's say every player who's out there who wants to become a Laker and you've got two spots. Who are you using using the Milan? Well again, I kind of told you guys a bit ago. I would go Aldridge and drum and give me both of them. And I know you create issues with that later on but I think right now that could help the Lakers stay afloat as they look to try to not drop too far in the standings think that could be a big move but realistically knowing that's very very unlikely to happen with Drummond. I would go with him and then I'm looking for Otto Porter Jr. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that he that he gets bought out. That would be my ideal situation for the Lakers if Autopac Juniors not bought out. It would probably be a mo harkless. I want a guy who's more in that 6768 that range right there that you can put on Paul George you can put on Kawhi Leonard, even if it's only for a few possessions Somebody that can do that job. That's what I'm looking for. And and somebody that can shoot from outside a little bit as well. So that would be my ideal scenario for the Lakers get that big and then get a Wing Zone. All right guys, appreciate you all joining me. I think next game, you know the Orlando Magic just traded everybody right Fortier Aaron Gordon Nikola vucevic all of them gone off. So the Lakers have another opportunity to get a win and the way I look at these games that's coming up on Sunday. It's weird to say it this way, but these are really must-wins. Right? These are must win this game tonight was a must-win. Why because you're playing a bad team. There's going to be some games where the Lakers without LeBron without Anthony Davis. They're playing a team that they're not going to win. Like when they play the Bucs the next game unless something catastrophic happens to the box and they lose a bunch of their players or whatever. You're not beating that Bucks team yours. Not not without LeBron and Anthony Davis that's not going to happen. So instead. Said you have to make sure that you get the winds in the winnable games against the bad teams. And so the Lakers got that done tonight against the Cavs gotta get it done again on Sunday. You need your best performances. They they don't play to the very best against the box. That's okay. That's okay because even at their best you're probably not beating that Bucks team when you don't have LeBron in a d way you do perform at your best though against the magic and you lose that game that is a bigger blow through the Lakers because that was a game that you could actually win if you were playing well, so I look at Sunday's game as a must-win in terms of treading water and at least keeping her head above the water anyway and not dropping too far. So I think that is going to be a big one. All right guys, appreciate all the questions and comments coming in. Thank you guys for joining me. We will be back doing this again on Sunday after the Lakers take on the Orlando Magic keep an eye out. We should be hearing on Andre Drummond maybe tomorrow. Yeah, and it's going to be waiting a little bit more a little bit more attention as we wait to find out. What he decides till next time everybody. See you and stay safe.

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Lakers Fall To 76ers As Buyout Market Heats Up

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Lakers Fall To 76ers As Buyout Market Heats Up

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles is the lakersnation.com podcast with your host Trevor Lane wage. Hello Lakers Nation, welcome into the Lakers Nation live postgame show. I'm traveling from lakersnation.com the Lakers fall to the 76ers and the game that ended up being closer than we thought it would be at least at the start of the fourth quarter. Anyway, they do battle back looks like they might make a game of it. But then of course our old friend Danny Green decided this was the night that he was going to make all of the threes. Where was that last season? Danny Green, he just went berserk could not miss tonight and the Lakers do wind up dropping yet another game the slide without LeBron James and Anthony Davis continues, but we're going to break one down. We're also talked about the the buyout Market coming up some players. The Lakers could be targeting tonight. Join me is Ron government from lakersnation.com Ron. How are you doing, man? I'm doing all right, really hoping to do one of these post game shows with a win where we can talk about how great things were without LeBron and AD that'll have to wait for another night. I think God. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately that is going to be another night. And you know, well this game was going on. I was thinking this is a winnable game. Like I had pegged this one as a loss on the Lakers wreck when I saw the 76 but then when I saw the line up since the Seventy Sixers had out there I thought there's no reason why the Lakers shouldn't be competing with this team and ultimately it came down to one really really really bad quarter. I've killed the lady. That was the third when the Seventy Sixers were just raining threes. The Lakers were just raining turnovers and that pretty much ended the game. Otherwise they were right there, but we've talked about a bunch this team would know LeBron James Davis. There is zero margin for error. You can't have a quarter like they did in the third and expect to win the game and that's that's certainly what happened here tonight. Yeah, when you don't have LeBron and maybe it's not even a quarter. You can't have a bad 4-minute stretch and survive it. But yeah, that was that was I mean one of the worst quarters of the Season off of the worst quarters in a couple Seasons, if we're being honest that was really really bad no stats to confirm this but we both thought that they had more turnovers than shots made. So that's not great. Yeah. I mean I'm happy with the way the competed in the first second and fourth, but man you have to know yourself as a team and you can't quarters like that happen when winnable games are ranked fourth. Yeah, especially right now when you've seen yourself slide, you have to take care of business and make sure that you pick up any wins that you can get those on the record and and then you move on but again, then Lakers kind of let one slip down here and so of course, there's going to be frustration coming off the heels of a bad game against the Pelicans now we see another game that was certainly winnable here against the 76ers that the Lakers aren't able to capitalize on and off. Now there's going to be more concerned about how far are they going to drop in the standings? And you know what, we're going to see a lot of tonight. We're going to see a lot of Talen Horton Tucker hate because people will blame him for being the the reason why the Lakers didn't trade for Kyle Lowry and so we're going to see a lot of I think skepticism about Talen horton-tucker for anybody who was hoping to see that Kyle Lowry trade go down because there's there are split opinions on it. Some people feel like the Lakers were Justified and not making the deal and deciding to draw the line at the HD others felt like the HD should have been shipped out and Kyle Lowry should be coming into the Lakers but home, so I think we're going to see a lot of that from the chat tonight as well but deserved or not, but let's get into a broad. So this this one tonight stat line wise, you know again a look at Danny Green you see this was probably his best game of the season 28 points 8 threes 8 for 12 from 3. Unreal, yeah, unreal Danny Green 25 though for kuzmin nine boards 9 to 21 shooting twenty points for shorter with 11 assisted have six turnovers between your hand of the ball that much and playing for TV show. That's that's usually what happens kcp 19 points 34543 nice will take that even three assist from and and two Steals and then 20 and 8 4 Montrezl Harrell. I don't know Braun who was it who really stood out to you tonight? And I guess we'll get into the next man up and just a second here. Yeah, I mean look it I thought it was relatively good performances from any everyone, you know the main for you just mentioned. I felt like the most consistent player tonight was Dennis Schroder wage Montrezl Harrell was really bad the first half and then his fourth quarter was incredible same really goes for Kyle kuzma. He could not find his rhythm in the first half. He was he was missing shots, like weirdly short, which is like not what he usually does and he also had a really good fourth quarter. But yeah sure was probably the most consistent throughout the game that I think this is one of his first double-doubles of the year, which is pretty cool good to see especially against a team that has a lot of good guards. I mean if you consider Ben Simmons a guard they have a green they have Seth Curry they but these people like they have guys to throw a point guards and I thought he he played relatively. Well. Yeah, I mean, he was the most consistent of everyone tonight. Yep. I like toys out of sugar as well. Just attacking off the dribble. I felt like he was really trying to go with Danny Green when Evergreen got switched onto him defensively and he was burning him quite often. I was almost like shorter was trying to prove this is why you've got me he did over turn over right at the end there when it looked like the Lakers were going to come back but I did feel he got he got fouled the referees tonight. Oh man. Did they have a tough time with this one girl that that Dwight Howard objection. Was that warranted? You think Dwight And Trades were going after each other earlier in the quarter and you knew the technicals were coming. But then the second technical on Dwight for bumping into trees. What did you think about that long, you know in a vacuum. I don't know if that's a warranted technical but I think the refs just felt like enough of this if we don't penalize him and thrown name of the game. This is just going to continue like in the Reps perspective. He's probably thinking if I don't throw him out now, I'm going to throw them out in fifteen minutes. Yeah. Let's just get it over with now. He's not going to stop this behavior. I'm Putting my foot down. So in the context of the game, I think it was warranted in a vacuum know that's a really weak technical but games are not played two vacuums. I mean, why did that on purpose? He didn't accidentally walk right into Montrezl Harrell has traces walking back towards the Lakers bench that was definitely the try to create contact and try to create something. He was probably hoping there would be a tech entrees and he'd be able to get him out of the game. So I understand the referees think of that white is instigating the contact. He's the one that's trying to create a problem and so he kicked him out. But yeah, I mean it was a little bit weak Dwight was playing great by the way before that. He looked really good job. He looked like he had a Revenge game on his mind, which was interesting. So Danny Green and Dwight Howard. Both had Dwight Howard out of 1/4 a Revenge quarter, I guess and Danny Green had a Revenge game, which I'm not great to see coming from from the Lakers perspective. You know what I'm looking at I Kyle kuzma tonight 9 4:20 1349 shooting not great, but overall 25 points off. Four turnovers, I mean look, he could have been a little more efficient, but I think this is kind of what we needed out of, kuzma. We needed to see 42 minutes for him 39 for schruder. You had 33 for trash. I feel like Frank Vogel played this game. Like hey, we really want to win this thing and pushed extra minutes onto the best players and still just didn't quite get it done. Yeah, I think in you know, it's hard to to criticize vogel's Frank vogel's rotations because he has made it very clear that during the regular season he experiments a lot so I don't blame him for experimenting but in a game like this there were a few minutes in the second and a few minutes again in the third where Dennis shooter and tht were both not on the not on the court and that's a little unacceptable to me. One of those guys needs to be out there and I get it you're you're experimenting you're trying to see what what works and what doesn't but you know what? I'm not an expert. I know that does not work having both of those guys out of the game when you don't have LeBron James. So one of those guys has to be on the floor at all times and I think you know, he's probably tht was not very good tonight. So I think there's there's that part of it as well. But one of those two needs to be handling the ball doing things otherwise, it's it's really painful. Yeah. Yeah and the Sixers have a good defense. They have a defense that's good enough to To take advantage of any mistakes that the offense is going to make to really put you into some uncomfortable spots out on the floor and and that's a credit to them and they really took advantage of the Lakers with our offense being shaky and not knowing exactly what they wanted to get on each given look so a lot of turnovers tonight for the Lakers twenty of those only seven offensive rebounds on 34% shooting from three and 44% shooting a field again, just not quite good enough in any of those categories. Let's do the next man up award though. Have a feeling we know who that's going to go to but let's let's do it. All right. I have a feeling this is going to a guy who almost got traded today. So who is Ron? Who's your next man up? Yeah, I'm going with Dennis Schroder was about five minutes away from packing his bags and heading to Tampa Florida for the rest of the season. But I'm I mean, I'm glad he's here. He is very impactful player. He he was really consistent. He was really he was relatively efficient tonight 11 assists is really great to see uh thought he was a plus three and a game the Lakers lost by 8 which tells you a lot about what happened when he was not on the court. So I'm I'm I mean, he played thirty nine minutes which means in 9 minutes Thursday is not on the floor of the team is a -11 that's really bad. It shows the type of impact he has and I'm going to say it especially now that they did not trade him pay the man his money just pay him. So let's talk about that cuz I agree that Shooters the next man upper the the player of the night really with no stars on the floor for the Lakers. He was good, but now we've got this interesting conflict. It's been brewing right? I mean he was eligible for an extension over a month ago and still hasn't happened Bill Oram and Jovan buha of the athletic reported that the Lakers and shrewder are far apart far apart in their job Creations. That router is looking for twenty plus million per season on a four-year deal the Lakers. We don't know what they're willing to do, but we know it's not that you would you would give that to him you'd give them a million per season. I think it's interesting that the implication of the Lakers trying to flip kcp Intruder for Lowry suggest that they were willing to pay Lowry for maybe two more seasons at twenty-five million per that's the rumor as far as what he wanted. They were willing to do that but not willing to do for years at twenty per-cent of shooter. What are your thoughts on that? So here's kind of since the longer this goes on the more formulated my opinion about his value becomes I think if it's anything more than twenty million per year, you only given 3 years if it's anything less than 20 you give them the full for just because if he's making twenty two million dollars a year and he's getting forty years if he's not really really good the first two years of that contract you're going to be sitting there and you're three and four, it won't be tradable. It'll be it'll just be really hard to build anything around it like that. That's a really tough. So if he wants twenty to twenty-five million dollars a year, it's a three-year deal he want if he's willing to settle for like 18 19 million a year. I'm willing to give him the full four. Yeah, Absolutely. And that's that's where I'm at 2 if you're going to lower the the years then then you can get the full 20. Otherwise if you want four years, you got to lower the money and I don't know that Shooters willing to do that. I'm hoping they meet somewhere in the middle. Because the one thing we've said over and over again is that if the Lakers let him get two free agency and let's say he leaves you can't replace him. There's no money to spend there still over the cap. I've cut you'd like to trade it. You'd likely have to trade k c p or kuzma to get a point guard on the roster. Exactly. Brian. Harris says shooter isn't a pure point guard. I'm sorry. No one ever said he was I mean, he's a he's a he's a scoring points, Let's see, He's I mean like him in like the Lakers don't have a true point guard like dead LeBron's not a true point guard Genesis in a true point guard. Alex. Caruso is not a true Point like they don't have a true point guard and that's okay. It's okay that that's the truth. Sometimes van our comments make me laugh Nathan from YouTube right with you to don't know basketball. Well, Nathan, you don't know how to spell the word too. So it was it the latest version the wrong letter. It's it's t001 instead of the number two. Yeah, you know little things do things. I'd have to question my own knowledge of the sport of basketball because you have strong wrong Providence search Youtube says credit ability for their defensive schemes, but the Lakers fought in that last quarter, it'll be difficult without LeBron and AD but we still got Jorge glad to hear a little bit of positivity there right? Yep. Showing the heart that they had obviously you take away that third-quarter and the Lakers are just fine here and we would have a very very different feel from this game write the narrative would be completely shipping, but it was good to see them battle the way back and not give up and not quit and see Kyle kuzma fired up down the stretch and trying to get the guys going. So hopefully that's something that will carry over into their next game. Yeah, I mean this was a this was a three-point game in the fourth quarter. They were down 18 heading into the 4th to do that without LeBron or Anthony Davis that's really impressive. And if they play the way they played off first second and fourth quarter of this game, they should have no problems with Cleveland Orlando this weekend. I hope I hope certainly hope especially Orlando now that they've traded away everybody else Orlando posture so, that should be great, right? Yeah. Exactly. All right, let's get into a few more of these questions and comments. So we'll do the the master lock people asking if there's any news for Andre Drummond, so right now we just know that Andre Drummond at this moment is going to be bought out it it's not done because they have to negotiate those terms. It sounds like Aldrich and the Spurs kind of already had an understanding of hey, this is not much. I'm going to give back. This is what it's going to look like cuz pretty pretty shortly after the trade deadline Aldridge file was done. So they had already talked and figured that out drum into the Cavs clearly are still trying to figure out exactly how much home To get back there trying to work through that when he is bought out it bothers me a little bit. Now. The now the Knicks name is starting to really pop up and they've got cap space so they could offer him a significant. They can offer a multi years if they wanted to why they would it makes no sense. They already have Mitchell Robinson. I don't know why they would do that. But the Knicks could come in and really messed us up for the Lakers which you'd hate to say that because the Lakers so far all the smoke has been that from into the Lakers is a thing and it's probably going to happen. Yeah, I mean the Knicks this is like this is perfect mix to like, I actually I'm not I don't think this will happen but it would be classic Knicks. You have Mitchell Robinson. You have Nerlens Noel. So what do you do instead of getting a point guard? Oh you spend ten million dollars on a third Center. Yeah, that makes perfect sense for Andre Drummond going to the Knicks doesn't make sense. If the thing he what's reported is that the thing he likes about the Lakers is the guarantee of a starting position with the Knicks. It can't and really really shouldn't offer him a starting job. I like Andre Drummond, I would I would rather have Mitchell Robinson. Yeah, like I thought I'd rather of Mister Robinson on my team. So I don't understand that at all. But you know, if the Knicks want to do that the next can go ahead and do that. That's really good for them. If so, the the Lakers the advantage they've got as far as drumming goes as they can't offer that starting spot and why that matters is that if you're Andre Drummond, you don't want to be seen as a bench player going into a contract. I mean, he'll be a free agent this offseason you want to be seen as the guy that came in took over the starting job with the Lakers and then won an NBA championship and then you look at what your pay day is going to be looking like Rajon Rondo if you had stayed the way who's dead? During the regular season could have been out of the NBA probably not but most likely he's looking at a veteran-minimum deal instead. He gets a solid contract from the Hawks because he played well with the Lakers in the playoffs everybody saw it won an NBA championship. So that's the advantage for Andre Drummond. If you come over to the Lakers, you're going to get plenty of minutes you're going to have the opportunity to start re-establish yourself as a starter in the NBA and that's why it would make sense for him to take less from the Lakers than from say the Brooklyn Nets who could pay more but if the Knicks are offering multiple years, which nobody else can that's where you might run into some some challenges as far as getting Drummond to LA. Now it's it's it's really Drummond. Does he want to bet on himself? Because if he wants to bet on himself, he'll come here for the minimum for the rest of the year and he'll leave and have a have a fruitful career elsewhere wage. If he does not want to bet on himself. He will take the multi-year deal because that's security again. It's really up to what Drummond ones I I still believe that the Lakers are the most likely option. Um, but it it's the Knicks offering if they're going to offer more than one year. I mean, yeah that is that is more of a consideration than whatever Brooklyn's offer. Yeah. Yep. So hopefully that isn't something that messes things up as far as the the Lakers and their pursuit of German goes hopefully this is all nothing that's going to get in the way and they will land Andre Drummond and he can be a Laker and then we can have two eighties Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond side-by-side say I like the Symmetry they're all right. Let's get into the the Master Lock of the night and we've got a lot of candidates tonight. Unfortunately, here we go. Wow. All right Ron. Who are you putting in the Master Lock two nights? I yeah, I'm putting turnovers in the Master Lock tonight. When you do not have LeBron James and Anthony Davis, you are not allowed to turn the ball over 20 times that's not allowed and you cannot do that, you know the Sixers also turn the ball over 20 times tonight, but they're able to win their game because they have most of their players healthy except for Joel embiid. So like you can't turn the ball over twenty times when you're missing your two best players. Yep agreed. I think really that's a good one. For me. Somebody says Master Lock kuzma's new haircut. He went back to the blond. Yeah should have known it was going to be an inefficient night from him when he when he went blonde. My my master lock though is going to Dwight Howard. I mean Dwight Howard. You know, he he decides he's going to ball game against the Lakers. He's going to have his revenge game. He's playing well put it in maximum effort. And then he goes and he does something dumb like getting kicked out of the game because he decides he can't just let it go with Montrezl Harrell and instead. He's gotta go and create more contact between quarters bump into him and get him off. And now there's quotes coming out where Doc Rivers the Seventy Sixers head coach is even not happy with Dwight saying this was a very selfish thing for him to do. So, you've got home Montrezl Harrell not pleased with Dwight. You've got the Lakers certainly are pleased with Dwight and now his own team is a happy with him because of what he did. So yes, Troy Howard into the Master Lock tonight. Yeah Dwight wage, you know at a certain point. He's he's Thirty. He's thirty-six thirty-seven years old a certain point man. Gotta quit with the Antics. Yep. Yeah, that's gotta stop off know if you say Chris Haynes just tweeted right now, and he said LaMarcus Aldridge will have conversations with the Miami Heat Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Clippers and Brooklyn Nets before deciding Next destination. I think he is still Bound for the heat, but that's interesting though. I appreciate him giving the Lakers and Clippers and Nets, you know a chance. Yeah, I mean, I think it is it is interesting that that's out there at least that he's that he's taking these different meetings or he's considering these these options that are going to talk about it. That's like no sense. I mean even less like I don't even think the Lakers makes sense, but it's way less sense than the Nets and and the Clippers like they have like four Lamarcus Aldridge's on both of their roster. Yeah doesn't make sense for either of those Landing spots. I mean kind of might make sense for the Lakers, but but see if they do have got to have the discussion with LaMarcus Aldridge. Like hey, we'll take you but only if Andre Drummond says know, where is I think Miami would be like, hey, come on over. We're ready. Come join our team. So that's G would fit perfectly in Miami there, especially with I think they traded a Kelly Olynyk today. So even better. Yeah there he should go to Miami if he comes to the Lakers wage. Cool, who am I to complain? You know? Yeah, I absolutely think that that he's going to wind up with Miami. I don't think that anything is changing their but is interesting. Anyway that he's considering these other options again. I just don't do you look at what the Lakers need? It's not what LaMarcus Aldridge provides and I like Aldridge. I like him as a player. It's just he just doesn't fit the skill set that the Lakers need right now. Yeah, I mean we'll always have the summer of like 2015 or 2016 when it was LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMarcus Cousins those two were going to come to La together and reunite like some sort of Tim Duncan David Robinson like Powerhouse. Those are the days back in the day back when the the weather whatever the guy's name is from Maroon 5 to the you know, the Aldrich Jersey thing and all that. Yeah, that was going to be how Gasol Andrew Bynum dead take us into the future and I kept Mohan from from YouTube said trim. Does it concern you that the Clippers are getting a high IQ player in Ron don't so I was asked about that. I was actually on a thousand trillion radio show earlier tonight, which basketball is taking off in Australia, which I loved it loved seeing this but they were asking me about this about Rondo and is the are the Clippers now more of a threat to the Lakers now that they've got Rondo and first of all, I think the Clippers are overpaid to get Rondo give you a blue Williams plus packs plus cash. But if Rondo turns into Playoff round of the week did last year for the Lakers, then it's worth it then it's worth it. Cuz then you're getting a guy who pretty Hooper did on the court guy who helps you in the locker room and can it can really guide the team right? That's what he's going through. View on and off the court. He's going to make sure that everybody is locked in he's one before he knows how to do it. And and that could be a big big help for the clippers, but they're taking the gamble that he's still playoff Rondo and we had that came in last year and we found out the answer was yes playoff run do still exist. We saw it in the playoffs. Doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen this year, but it costs them Lou Williams to find out Lou Williams and pics to find out so I'm not super worried about it. But I think that it could it is a gamble by the Clippers. It's not this like home run clear like yes, this is the piece that's going to put them over the top. It's a gamble my payoff might not Yeah, and we have another Christian sweet. He's firing them back-to-back Andre Drummond will listen to pitches from the New York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Clippers. Boston Celtics, Charlotte Hornets. Ooh. Charlotte those Arts. Those are his top five, Charlotte. Charlotte and the Clippers are a little weird. Boston New York Lakers all makes sense. Yeah and Boston, he's got a little bit to contend with there in terms of wage. You've got Tristan Thompson. That's our although they did treat Daniel theis. So if they just have Tristan, I brought him over Wagner. So Boston could in theory offered they're starting center position as well. Yeah, the Clippers probably can't so. The Knicks and then I would assume that's pinching Mitchell Robinson. But if they offer a multi-year deal, yeah, the Hornets could offer him a starting job, but like a girl who who would want that if you're if you're Andre Drummond, you're looking this list and you see the Celtics with all of their guys are struggling in the Eastern Conference home. Then you look and you see the Lakers they're struggling but that's because LeBron and AD aren't out there and come playoff time. They're going to be one of the favorites to come out of the West and this is your chance to jump on a potentially win a championship. I don't I don't see why you would go to Boston over the Lakers if they're they can both offer starting jobs of the teams listed there. The only Championship contenders are the Lakers in the club. Sorry Boston, like some of your players you're not a championship Contender this year. It's the Lakers in the Clippers and I think the Lakers can offer more larger role pretty simple fact. I think here's this begs the question though. Where the Nets? Oh, I mean I think the Nets have been out for a while on this one. Is this is this Blake Griffin took them out of the Andre Drummond sweeps because they still have that money. They still have that that Dinwiddie disabled exception, you know, they're not on the list. I don't think it's just because of Blake. I also think it's because of this emergence in the last couple of weeks of the of Nick Claxton. They, you know have two centers that they trust in the rotation. Why bring on a third if Blake's going to be your small-ball 5 and then you have two seven Footers. Why would you bring in a third 7-footer doesn't make sense? Yeah. That's true. That's true. So I guess I mean I saw the Nets as a fairly major threat so bright now I'm looking to this list and think of the biggest threat is the Knicks if they're offering multiple Years also agree that you know, that that's it. Should should be the Lakers. I mean, I don't know highest now. I'm trying to keep an eye on Twitter to see if there's any more pains bombs coming here. Yeah, hannes hannes loves The Late Late Night bombs. He loves doing that stuff. You must not be on the East Coast or something. Cuz Mojo's on the East Coast. I'm sure he shut down by by gnome this point somebody asking Scott strayhorn. Can the Lakers get Porter and Drummond in theory? They do have two roster spots open. So in theory, yeah, you could add two of these guys and that's that would be a pretty nice haul now the thing we've heard though is the magic are going to hang onto Otto Porter Jr. So that probably complicates that just just a little bit. Same thing with Wayne Ellington. I mean in that same piece that you referenced earlier from Bill Oram and yoga and bruja, they said that the second priority for the Lakers was a wing Defender off. Yes Otto Porter Jr. Gap. That was the guy. That is the wing Defender. That's who you want. But if he if the magic and him don't want to do a buyout then they don't wage. What do you think about the Dave mcmenamin rumor about Avery Bradley Avery Bradley being a guy to watch that could come back to the Lakers if he's bought out by the Houston Rockets which seems fairly. Likely. What do you think about bringing that? I mean, he's not the prototypical three in D Wing Defender, right? Because he's not 6768. He's like six-two more of a guard Defender. But what do you think an Avery Bradley returm? There's just there's just a bit of a log Jam right now in the Lakers guard rotation, you know, if everyone's healthy you're looking at Schrute, I'm looking at Caruso you're looking at tht you're looking at West like you're looking at a lot of guys and you could say West vs Avery Bradley, but West has the advantage of being able to guard people that are like 6667. Avery Bradley can't really do that. He's amazing it locking down the opposing point guard. But like we have Caruso and shrewder for that. So there's it's just his his skill-set is already present on this team and he's only played ten games this year because he's been hurt for most of it so that he wasn't very those 10 games. Yes, Kevin O'Connor from the ringer Suites out in support of Chris Haynes saying that he's heard the same thing and obviously basically everybody the ringer is is Celtics, right? I mean cuz it's Bill Simmons. So it's very Celtics off leaning. But Kevin O'Connor says I mentioned the Celtics are in on Drummond on the Bill Simmons Potter earlier and have her since heard. There's a lot of uncertainty about his choice each of these teams offer totally different roles and amounts of money. Where is this suddenly? There's uncertainty about his choice. Whereas the last few days. We've been hearing nothing. But the Lakers are are the choice everybody is operating under the assumption that he will go to the Lakers and now suddenly from a very Boston slanted take is saying oh now there's uncertainty about his choice. So Trevor I will I will quell your fears there about one day before the trade deadline Kevin O'Connor was putting his foot down saying the Knicks have emerged as a destination to trade for Andre Drummond, so they didn't do this if I trade there though, or did he just say as a destination? I mean he tweeted it before Drummond was like before the trade deadline before the buyout. So like if one thing with the Lakers, they've always said if they get drum and they're getting them via box, right but the Knicks can trade for him and a day before the trade deadline. He says watch out for the Knicks. Yeah feels like it's trade leaning. Okay. So Kyle goon just affirmed that Marcus all did indeed Mark told everybody. He did indeed have covid-19 and he said it hit him pretty good for five to six days headaches fever difficulty breathing trouble going up and down the stairs. I'm glad to see him on the mend and getting back there. That's something we had kind of assumed we didn't want to put out there but it was something that we had assumed was going on with him. And now he's confirming those assumptions to be correct page and glad to hear that he is is past the worst of it and that he's feeling a bit better. And he looked really great tonight. He played limited minutes. But especially in the first quarter those first six minutes. He actually honestly he worked as good as good as he's looked all season long first-quarter looks like a guy who didn't want to lose his starting spot. Yeah, he said well you guys I get this I get this virus and you replace me with Andre Drummond. No, no. No, I would still replace it with Andre Drummond. Yeah. Yeah Faith 4:30 next game and I'd probably still replace them a hundred Roman. Andrew says that explains why he was gone for so long. Yeah it absolutely that's exactly what it is. Now. We know why he was out for so long and it wasn't just walk, you know, he it was contact racing or something like that. He legit, you know, tested positive. It usually contact racing is like a seven to ten day right right thing. Somebody asking a number of Sandy asking when is Chris Masters coming back on the show? I was texting with this with him a bit today. He was actually talking about coming on tonight show, but it's just it was running too late and he needed to get a little bit of rest. He's he's on Eastern Time right now. So he got a little bit of rest, but we're looking at some early April dates. He mentioned like three games games in a row. I think that he'll be around for so don't worry. Chris has not gone or anything. We're still talking basketball all the time. In fact, we did a Twitter space. Just last night. If you guys have done that with with us, he and I jumped on there for a little bit yesterday evening and talked with some people. So he's he's still in the fold. He's not going anywhere. He's just been busy in the boxing ring. You still a professional wrestler. He's he's still is responsibilities there. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. All right Let's do let's do one more. Let's do one more here and we'll see if there's any more any more bombs coming out a lot of people ask you. What is the contingency plan? If they do not if the Lakers do not get Andre Drummond, I think LaMarcus Aldridge might fit that bill. But again, how do you go like if Aldridge and reminders are deciding at the same time? How do you go to Aldrich and say yes, we really really want you but hold on for a second. Let us talk to this guy over here and get his answer first that's going to be a tough one there for them. But otherwise, I mean Hassan Whiteside if he gets bought out wage. I've seen that happen yet, though. Otherwise, we're probably talking about going back to Damian Jones. Yeah, I mean Damian Jones, we've always said Damian Jones was a reasonable fallback option and we'd love to have him back on the team but they were just bigger fish to fry out there Andre Drummond LaMarcus Aldridge. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. All right, I am going to be so I didn't sleep. Well last night wrong. I did not sleep. Well in anticipation of the trade deadline right? There was a few times where I woke up in the middle of the night checked to see if there were any, you know, 3 a.m. Bombs dropping or anything like that. It's been a pretty busy day. We were on edge for hours waiting for that. I renewed and then we just get deflated with them news that he's staying in Toronto. It's been kind of a roller coaster of a day and when we're looking at all of this stuff here, I know that now our focus is going to be waiting on the Andre Drummond news and where that goes and we've been feeling like the Lakers have a pretty good shot at it. I'm wondering what the time frame is going to be. How long is it that we're going to be kind of sitting on edge waiting to see if the Lakers can get that big piece that they need in Andre Drummond and I'm hoping it's going to be too long is today today was rough remember it's at most two weeks April 9th, which I think is a Friday. That is the last day you can sign a player and have them be eligible for the postseason berth. So, you know, if if you're if you're struggling to sleep and it hasn't happened by April 8th, well that night you can sleep like a baby knowing if it'll be resolved the next day off. That's right. That's right. I do think it's going to all come down faster than that because I think teams are going to want to get these players in as soon as they are out there and clear and and able to come in. We should have an idea of what what's happening. Honestly, I'd be shocked if both of those guys are still free agents by like Monday or Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree. I think it's going to be quicker. All right, guys, let's take one more question or comment and then we'll we'll just call it an evening here since it has been a long day. Brian weisserman why would drum and choose an injured Lakers team that's going down in the rankings because that injured Lakers Lakers team has the best chance of winning an NBA championship out of anybody that's listed there out of his potential Landing spots and plus the combination of the role that they can offer as a potential starting center. He can show off himself on what could be the NBA champions and set himself up nicely for a contract for the next offseason. I think that's pretty clear to me to me what I look at this list and I'm certainly biased what I look at the list of teams that that drum it is is looking at I feel like the Lakers stand out as the pretty clear favorite here unless the Knicks are suddenly offering multi years. That's the only thing I see I can see that would really mix this up or maybe some other team just blows him away with their presentation. Maybe the Hornets Mitch kupchak suddenly just becomes tremendous casing free agents off. Man, but I don't I don't see it. Yeah, I mean you gotta think about what has happened in Audrey Evans career. He was paid a ton of money to play for a Detroit team. That wasn't very good. They traded him for peanuts to the clubs who are even worse than the Pistons and like that. It's pretty miraculous for him to think to himself. Wow. I just went from two of the worst organizations in basketball and now I can walk into the starting center position for the defending Champion Lakers. There's not a lot of better options than that in the NBA, right? Like how many people can say they started at center for the Lakers running a title defense? Yeah, right. I mean that's that's a pretty great opportunity to walk into and hopefully that is the thing that ultimately Swayze Andre Drummond. I'm seeing people say the year is over saying there's no way we're getting anybody the sky is falling guys. We knew you knew going into this this section of birth. Of the game of the year when LeBron got hurt when Anthony Davis got hurt we talked about it. It's going to be rough for a little while. This is going to last for a bit but you gotta keep pressing through understand losses are going to come that's going to happen. There's going to be times where the team looks bad. There's going to be times when it's frustrating. But if everyone is healthy and again, that's a that's an if everyone is healthy. This team still has a great shot at winning an NBA championship because LeBron James and Anthony Davis are two top five players in the NBA and that obviously makes a huge huge difference in the way your team performs. So no, I'm not giving up on this team know I'm not looking at this as the sky is falling. I certainly don't think they're getting like a top pick in the draft or anything like some people are suggesting they are not following out of the playoffs if they get everybody healthy. I think they're going to be just fine and they will be extremely competitive and have as good of a chance as anybody out there of winning an NBA championship. Yep, I mean as of this moment, they are still forth in the Western Conference. I mean again, I've said it before and I tweeted it during the game after LeBron and AD the entire roster makes it combined 56 and 1/2 million dollars. You cannot you cannot get a good team in the NBA with 56 and 1/2 million dollars. It's impossible. Like if you only paid $56 for your team that team is going to be one of the worst in the league. So it's not that these players are bad. It's that they're playing way above their pay grade and they were they were brought into this long to do other things than what they're being forced to do right now. The sky is not falling even if the Lakers have to do the play in game, which I don't I think they're going to drop to like five or six. I don't think they're dropping that far off. But even if they do I guarantee you there's no ten seed on Earth that wants to see the Lakers in a playing game. There's no 8 seed. There's no night and see if there's no one on Earth that wants to see the Lakers in a plane. Absolutely absolutely dead. Well, I hate to say it but we're going to end this on a little bit of a Down note here on. That is true his comments after the game asked about the trade talks and whether or not they affected his view of the Lakers said it's a crazy business at the end of the day. I want to play the season out for sure want to be a Laker but I want to see my options. I want to see my options, but I want to be a Laker that means he wants to see his options as a free agent. Yeah, that's that's the that's the risk you run and You know, that's the risky run in this business players. There's Humanity to it and there's business to it. The Lakers wanted to improve the roster and get Kyle Lowry and you weren't able to do that. And now you have to deal with two players Dennis Schroder and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope who you were actively throwing out there and saying hey you guys can go move to Tampa. And now the now they're not going to Tampa. So now they got to stay here. And yeah that that is the risk you run k c p is under contract tht is a restricted page and so that's not effective. But yeah Dentistry or I'm not saying this doesn't mean he's going to leave of course a lot control between now and and free agency. There's a long time between now and then Yeah, but if he wants to play the season out then that's what he's going to do. You know, maybe maybe the market won't be so robust for him as he believes it will be dead. You know that it's just remains to be seen. I think it was heading this direction. Anyway. Yeah, I can say this him getting two free agency is a is a problem for the Lakers. That's that's a problem. That's something that because again, if you leaves you can't replace them. You're just stuck losing him and that's going to be something for the Lakers now, of course, maybe they can negotiate a sign-and-trade if you decide to wants to leave and we've got a long ways to go down there. But that was I believe part of the incentive to try to moved and a shorter right now at the trade deadline which to avoid that very situation where he says, well, you know, I'm kind of want to see what's out there. You don't want that. Yeah, he I mean he's a good player people will like him other teams will like him but let's just hope the Lakers do enough here in these last months and in the playoffs and that convinces them. You know what I was wrong to want to look at my options. This is the best place for me. Yep. Hopefully that will indeed be the case. All right guys, appreciate you all coming in here and giving us your questions and your comments still a long ways to go. I know today was a rough night as far as no trade going down and then of course everything that happened with with this game tonight, but again long way to go off keep moving forward. I know it's tough right now. But again LeBron James Anthony Davis comes back back and change a lot. We'll see what ends up happening with the standard shooter situation. Obviously, that's not great news not great to hear the name and all these other teams are now after Andre Drummond. Hopefully though end of the day drumming becomes a Laker all the guys heal up and then they're good to roll into the NBA Playoffs, but appreciate you all joining us and make sure That you do subscribe to the Lakers Nation YouTube channel, and don't forget to turn on notifications as well till next time everybody. Thanks. Stay safe and see you.

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 359: Where Does He Rank?

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 359: Where Does He Rank?

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball podcast all the scooper need to know from college basketball to the NBA, and even much madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. All right guys welcome to the G. SMC. Basketball podcast. I'm your host Casey, format and I have a lot of cool information for you. Guys today a Lotta. Rankings and stuff for you guys today, but you know either way of very cool show. I want to start out by talking. About Russell Westbrook, where he was ranked on bleacher report's top one hundred players this season. also talk about Lebron James where he ranked on. You Know Kenny the Jet Smith's the NBA analyst I want to talk about where Lebron landed on his all time list, or where he is on his all time list I, also take a look into this year's. NBA Free Agency, which is probably set to start around the end of October middle to end of October. And then at the very end of the show, make sure you stick around to the very last segment because I want to talk about my top players at each position. Okay, I'll probably give you guys three or so players at each position, so don't go anywhere. Stick around to the very end of the show, but like I said I wanNA talk about Russell Westbrook where he landed on bleacher reports top one hundred players this season. Okay, so if I haven't already said it, you know. Bleacher report ranked Russell Westbrook twenty second out of one hundred players top one hundred best players this season. You Know Russell Westbrook was ranked at twenty second. He's a twenty second best player. According to bleacher report. Let's talk about you know why maybe they put him on on this list. You know so low or so high you know. A lot of people don't think a lot of people think you know. He's a lot better than the twenty second player in the NBA. So let's talk about why maybe they put him at this spot. If I think he deserves to be a despot. Inda wear. I in fact, I believe he does belong yes. I don't think he is the twenty second best player in the League. so let's talk about Russell his game so this season alone. He's averaging twenty seven points. Eight rebounds seven assists on forty seven percent field goal. Okay from shooting from the floor. Only only. Twenty five on twenty five twenty six percent from three, so he's not shooting, very high clip from the three at all one of one of his worst years from the three point line so not shooting a high clip from the three point line probably because of all the three point shots he's taking. He's had to take this year you know that Houston Rockets system a system that takes a whole lot of three pointers and he's. He's obviously taking more threes than he's ever token before. And you know the percentages show, it's not necessarily the biggest part of his game, and and we see why now, but either way twenty seven points, eight rebounds, seven assists He's seventh and scoring this year. Fourth in triple doubles all you people who love the triple double stat probably love Russell Westbrook as well we saw him for straight years average a triple double. Get a MVP award wall doing that you know very deserving of that award but like I said seven hundred scoring this year fourth in triple doubles. He's also twelfth in assists averaging seven, and a half assists for game that shows you. How many great pastors are in the NBA? Because at seven assists, he's only twelfth almost in that top ten, but not quite either way twelve assists as you know, is a pretty hard thing to do is twentieth in? In. Rebounds again as a point guard, averaging eight, Eighty, eight, and a eight, and a half rebounds about so you know a six foot, three point guard, who's twentieth in the League in rebounding when they're definitely more than twenty centers and power forwards in this League Russell Westbrook's getting more rebounds than half of them, so profs the him. He's doing it all over. He's doing it. You know we scoring the ball assisting. He's grabbing rebounds as also his first season in Houston and I do think that should not be something that is understated. You know he's spent basically a decade or so in in okay, see and. Know after moving to a a different market, a new system with new teammates, new Co Star that takes some time to to Mesh to figure out and him, being in his first year, still average, twenty, seven, eight and seven in a new system like I, said new coach new environment is a tough thing to do that should not be understated or undervalued. That should be something that is propped up and valued more than it is being right now for sure so first season. Season in Houston he, he's. He's all the things I just listened to seventh and scoring fourth in triple doubles However, he's ranked twenty second overall not something I really agree with. If you've been listening to to my to my podcast or my episodes here and GMC on my first episode here I gave guys my top ten players. I don't WanNa. Tell you if he was on that or not. But that's that's a true testament. See who's been listening or not but. Ring Twenty-second Second, not something I agree with by any means Let's talk about the list itself, and where some other people land on this list so to give you guys some retrospect some soon some perspective on the matter. Kyle lowry. This season averaging nineteen points, seven assists fiery five rebounds on forty percent shooting. Obviously, yes, the point guard of the Toronto Raptors second in the Eastern Conference. one of the better offense and defensive team teams this year for sure. Kyle lowry was ranked twentieth on this list. You know two spots ahead of Russell Westbrook Are Westbrook sorry. So Kyle lowry was ranked ahead a Westbrook this season, basically saying he was a better player, this season like I, said nineteen point, seven rebounds, five or seven assists five rebounds for from the floor. Not necessarily the stats Westbrook is averaging this year, but okay. That's Carr Lowrey Kyri who has played twenty games in total this season. Okay to only twenty games has played very well averaging twelve, twenty, six twenty seven points so playing very well and the Games. He's played in. Yes, but again only twenty games and he's ranked nineteenth. Is Availability important? Okay? He's ring nineteenth three spots ahead of Russell Westbrook. Played the entire season. I believe out if he's miss any games I I highly doubt he's miss any games so. Kyri? Two guys who are both ahead of West Brooklyn? Rudy Gobert Big Fan go bear what he does for the Utah Jazz Defensive Player of the year winner very deserving of that. However, Rudy Gobert eighteenth on this list for spots ahead of Russell, Westbrook, the sheer Rudy Gobert, averaging fifteen points, thirteen rebounds two blocks, yes. Impressive season I believe a career high in points for for Rudy so props to him. A, good season, great season for him definitely four spots. Is it better than Russell? Westbrook, however four spots. Even I don't I'm not sure. Is A. Guy who I'm not gonNA fight too hard on you this season. He's having a great season for himself. Paul. George A guy who has been in and out of the Clipper lineup this season, okay? was ranked sixteenth. On this list. Six spots ahead of Russell Westbrook. Okay sorry. So Yeah Paul George six spots ahead of Russell Westbrook this year, averaging twenty one points, four assists five rebounds. You know in my opinion. It's been somewhat of an off year for Paul George. hasn't necessarily You know been at full stride the the the Hasn't played up to the performances that we saw him. Do you know who saw how we saw him play last year? And you know obviously high up in the MVP voting as well as defensive player voting so Paul George was playing very well last season. Not Quite this season, not as good However, we still see him getting ranked. Higher or lower however, you wanna say then Russell Westbrook. He's ranked better a better player this season then Russell Westbrook. Again twenty seven points, eight rebounds seven assist seven percent from the field. Jason Tatum and if you've been listening especially on my most recent one, you know Jason Tatum is a guy. I am very high on I, think the ceiling is very high for him. He's one of the League's best up and coming. Players not a guy who I- undervalue or underestimate, but not a guy I also overvalue or wants to overvalue. Okay, he is in. His third year third season in the NBA averaging twenty three point seven rebounds three assists forty four percent from the field from the from the floor. He. He's been the huge part. You know to the Celtics. Success haven't haven't done too well this season. You know the Celtics, but he's been the biggest part to them and the success they've had. He is really starting to blossom. Like I've said into an up and coming guy, not a guy you want to undervalue, but is he better than has? Has He had a better season? Then Russell Westbrook, no, in my opinion, you know at twenty three points, seven rebounds three assists. You know all of those on under. That were Russell. Is is averaging. Twenty seven, eight and seven. Forty seven from the floor so better than tatum from the floor as well not as good from the free throw line, not as good from the three point line but. The rockets and the Celtics close in record as well so i. don't see the huge gap and tatum and Westbrook this year especially with Westbrook again his first season in Houston another guy in the biggest issue that I have to have with this list. Is that Chris Middleton AG-? I am not very high on whatsoever. Another guy I call a second star for for not accomplishing more of a complementary piece in my opinion. He was ranked ranked tenth on the list. This he's ranked the tenth Best Player in the NBA this season. Twenty one points six rebounds four assists basically fifty percent from the field. Of of a very good a good season, yes, men, all star level season some years, yes! The tenth best. The Twenty Second Best Player was averaging, twenty, seven, eight and seven. When the Tenth Best is averaging, twenty, one, six and four. Yes, he's shooting better percentages. Maybe he's on, you know he is on the better team in the bucks. Maybe that's why him being on the better team, the best, arguably the best team in the NBA. We know where they're ranked right now. Is that why we see him? Being you know tenth on on this list all season we are they just hyping up that bucks roster even more before the playoffs start. I'm not sure I. Don't see tenth overall by any means that means criminals and has played better than like. I said Russell Westbrook Jason Tatum lots of other players. I'm missing on this list, but I don't agree with that. I don't think he's the Tenth Best Player. This season loan in the League today, so I don't agree with that. I mean that's my biggest issue for him at tenth and then Russell Westbrook all the way up at twenty, second Their reasoning for you know Russell, being so high up. You know obviously twenty-second you know. The was the first part of the season. You know they didn't say said. Forget the first part of the season, he he. Apparently in January. He was on pace to shoot the worst percentage of his career. He fixed that would the trade of Capella he's getting to the rim more than ever, and you know. The his percentages went up. By himself. He would the Games James. Harden's miss that that was another. Knock on him, you know He. He lost to other teams by four point five points. I believe when they were the better ranked team or something, so so they lost games. They probably should have when it was just Russell Westbrook. The also said his inconsistency throughout the season has been. You know insane. They can't they can't. Put Him higher up on the list with how inconsistent he has been when when you think of Chris. Middleton the first thing I think of is how we average nothing no more than twelve points, thirteen points. The last four games in the Toronto series last year talked about inconsistent. I can't. Yes, Russell can be up and down in his percentages, but not to say the inconsistencies, the biggest part of him being the twenty second best player where Chris Middleton is the tenth best this season I disagree with the rank. I disagree with some people's other other people's ranking on this list like Khris Middleton, Jason Tatum again being ahead. Of of Russell, Westbrook You know I in my opinion. If you've listened to again, said earlier. If you've listened to my prior podcasts, I do believe Russell. Westbrook is a top ten player in the NBA. Today I think he's top ten. I cannot name you. Ten eleven twelve players better than Russell Westbrook, and that includes players this year playing this year. The rate players are playing at this year. I can't name you. Ten twelve players playing better than Russell Westbrook the fact that he was twenty second again. I, do not agree with that was so ever. I have to disagree, but you know bleacher report I don't want to say anything. Anything disrespectful or anything like that I. simply disagree with what they put I think. Russell Westbrook deserves more than twenty second overall I think he's better than the players that I've listed at least right now I know I know Russell Westbrook disagrees. Seeing his his comments I think it was on I. Don't know if it was on twitter instagram, but it was basically just him laughing. No Ha, ha ha, a whole bunch you know that lines and lines I've Ha- him laughing basically at him, being ranked twenty second to Chris Christmas in at ten Jason Tatum at eleven. You know those were the highlights. That showed him laughing at those. Results I don't think he necessarily cares too much Maybe he does a little bit showing you know. Would the comments on it? He does in fact. Care a little bit possibly I'm on his side I. Think he's getting a little bit of disrespected on the twenty second rank or you know him. Being ranked twenty second I know. He disagrees with the comment that he made and again it's his first season away from Oklahoma City in Houston something Nash that should not be understated or undervalued. It takes time for players to Mesh a new system especially with a guy like. Russell Westbrook in the system. And the Houston Rockets you know a whole lot of volume shooting in Russell not necessarily being a deep volume shooter. You know obviously it's. GonNa. Take time for him to get used to that system to to get you know into full stride and I think now. He's somewhat coming into terms. Would that getting used to the game plan? Everything you know and I think him. Seeing these rankings is GONNA. Do nothing, but put an edge or chip on his shoulder, so watch out for Russell. And the rockets. When you know, the NBA comes back July thirtieth again. I'm just sitting back waiting for the NBA comeback. I cannot wait in storylines like this makes me nothing but more excited to see. The players come out again with even bigger chips on their shoulders so perhaps the Russell Westbrook for being the bigger man kind of laughing at off. Don't agree with. With the rankings I think he should be at least in the top ten top twelve That's who I would I think. Let me know what you guys think I'm thinking about posting a poll on twitter, so go and check that out but as far as this segment. I'M GONNA. Take a quick break when I come back okay I. WanNa talk about another person's. In Lebron, James. Who and where he ranks on Kenny Smith's all time lists. Don't miss it I'll be right back. Are you looking for the very best nfl and college football podcast then check out the GMC football podcast. Get the latest football news, both on and off the field from the NFL draft trades to the rumor mill to the NFL combines. They got you covered. That's GS. MC PODCASTS DOT com slash football dash podcasts get updates on college rivalries, Indian sites, and much much more. It's football. Talk the way you want it. This show each sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visits. Yes, MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO. uh-huh! Welcome back, is this is the GMC basketball podcast I'm still case you form in your host like I said before the break I want to talk about Kenny. The Jet Smith the NBA analyst on the NBA on TNT. Does a great job with Shack Ernie chuck so I love. I. Love Kenny what he does. I'm going to get that out of the way right now. But he came out on the load management podcast. And they basically asked him, or they said you know. They knew Lebron wasn't on his top five Kenny. Kenny then said you know. Yeah Lebron is not on my top five. He's not in my top five all time. he is in my top ten. He's tenth. He's probably tenth all time, Kennedy, set. so. Kenny then ranked Lebron tenth all time. as far as his top ten, he didn't give necessarily like he's number one. He's number two. Obviously you know you have to. You're inclined to think Michael Jordan's number. One magic is up. Players like that, so we're inclined to think WHO's number one. WHO's up there on his list? But, he did in fact. Give us a couple of names, but what I wanna do with this topic. I WanNa talk about Kenny's Kenny's comments. In particular, my opinion on those comments, where in fact I would put. Lebron James on my top ten list and this. You know little bit Lebron James Himself. So that's what I'm GONNA. Talk about right now. Let's get into Kenny and his comments again, so it was on the load management podcast again ranked Lebron not. Not In his top five, but in his top ten and put him at the end of it at number ten. He has just to give you guys some more perspective, and and you know on the situation, some more information on the situation the situation. He has shocked, you know she says yes. Shacks in my top ten so I. if Lebron's tenth, you think Sh-, obviously shack is a better all time than Lebron, so he's shacking. His top ten magic is in his top ten, and you're saying that as well you know magic. One of the all-time players best point guard of all time in my in my opinion so I completely understand you know that perspective Shack, one of the most dominant players. The NBA has ever seen so I. I understand the shack. perspective and argument is well I completely. Completely, get that you know. He also listed Larry Bird on their players, also his top ten, also obviously above Lebron. So you know Larry Legend. Larry Magic I completely understand and get that that opinion as well. What Larry did for the Celtics and you know all time he he's established himself as an all time. No doubt I think in pretty much everybody's top five top ten. You can see a Larry, bird so i. understand Larry as well. He he listed a players like a Oscar Robertson and nate archibald, as those are players were I have more. have more leeway saying you know I agree more with like I. I guess. I have more leeway with the Magic Larry Bird's shack being better than the bronze in like Oscar Robertson and nate archibald are tiny archibald so. Nothing knock you know Oscar in any way. He's a career. Twenty, five seven rebound nine, and a half assists guy. One MVP's won a championship. So perhaps the him definitely an all time player, a lot of people have them in their top ten, I- comfortably. You know I I'm very comfortable and putting him in my top twelve top ten ish, I. I haven't made a top ten. Quite I'm GonNa. Save that for a rainy day, but I understand you know I, said the magic. Magic Larry in shack. Is Oscar you know twenty? He Lebron does average more points. Rebounds are just not more assists has more championships, but you know no disrespect to Oscar. Robertson the triple double before Russell Westbrook so props to him in I understand where Kenny's coming coming from worry says Oscar Robertson so I, understand that as well but the biggest name that he listed I. Take issue with is a guy like You nate tiny archibald. You know a career. Eighteen points seven assists guy. However you know I I'm not comfortable. I can't really let that one slide. The other is I. You know you like your era. I completely understand that respect to your era. Everyone has their era However, I can't say a nate. Archibald is better or in the same talks with Lebron James. So that's the only guy I know again. No disrespect to him just the greatness of Lebron. I, think should be appreciated a little more You shouldn't use throw anybody's name. I think with a guy like lebrons Lebron. James, you know. I I. Love to know what you guys think about that. I'm not Lebron James Fan boys well. I WANNA get that out there because I'll talk about it in a second I'll save that for a little bit later in this segment, but he also another guy that didn't make the top ten again for Kenny. Is Kobe Bryant Kobe says just grazes the top ten as does Lebron, but is outside of it He can't put him ahead of. The players that I just name Magic Larry Oscar. Robertson Shack even maybe a nate archibald, so he can't put Koby in Lebron ahead of those guys because. Okay. Get this and this is again i. don't mean any disrespect here. He's. He's played in the NBA. He's an NBA and. Very lots of stuff under his belt You very experienced analysts in the NBA however. The with the the biggest thing also I issue with. Is that you know, he says the biggest reason. Lebron in Kobe aren't higher up on. His list is because it's so easy to score nowadays, it's so easy to score, so he's basically taking away from the and Kobe all time because of their era and it being so easy to score. I gotTA disagree, I. Don't think it's easiest or the easiest ever to score so I disagree with both statements of his rank with the Brown and his in with his statement of it being the easiest ever to score, he asked the floor is as wide open as ever, and maybe it's easier than ever to get to the paint. Get to the Rim I'll give you that. It is easier than ever again with everyone. Being out the three out at the three point line, it is easier to get to the rim. Get past the defender. Since your inner, you have him sucked out so far away from the rim. Usually you can do something to get past him. It's easier to get to the rim. Yes. but you know like I said earlier. Everyone has their era. Everyone seems to think they're era is the best era. Okay I and you know the older older people I think it was. You know their era. Some people think it's like the sixty seventies a lot of people who are you know infatuated with the Michael Jordan era? You know eighties and nineties, and nowadays people like Myself Lebron Era Kobe are the two thousand twenty tends. So everyone has their era. Everyone has a respected era. I don't WanNA knock anybody's. Or. Say anything you know. Any era is necessarily better than anything else any other era. Take anything away from anything in the NBA care any other era, but you know in my opinion. today's NBA, it's not the easiest to score. It looks like it's the easiest to score because it. Some of the best players you know, some of the best talent we've ever seen. Come together against all in my opinion, but I think today's NBA is some of the best basketball we have ever seen. And some of the best talent has ever played together or played against each other in the NBA, and you can say you know it's the easiest you can score you know. Erase easiest to score now than it ever has been. You can say that I can look at you. Know the the time points in a single game record a look at all time points in a single game. At the top ten I saw someone else do this as well top ten only to. The last twenty or fifteen ten fifteen years two of the last fifteen years you know in the top ten all time scoring games, only two of them have occurred in the last fifteen years so if it's the easiest to score ever, why haven't we seen more and more of these hundred point games or eighty seventy ninety point games? If it's easiest to score, why haven't we seen that? So that's my first question you. You know why haven't we seen why the stats insane right now with points per game and and like. I said overall points in a game. So that's one thing I disagree with her and I think the stats would point to that if it was in fact easiest to score ever like I said I think it's simply you know some of the best basketball in the best league. We might have ever seen okay. Everyone nowadays is seems like everyone almost nowadays can hit an outside jump shot. Okay, it seems it seems like more than ever. Players are switching on defense and Bruce, seeing more and more of these three D. type players. You can do it on the offensive side as well as the defensive side. Yes, the defensive rules are much different. You can't grab. It's not as As physical, yes, if you think physicality is the biggest factor of basketball I would also argue to that because I. Don't think it's it's a physical game. I think it's more of a a skill and physique tight game. You know rather than a physical, so so enough is a skill flashy type game when when compared to a physical type game like football so. No I wouldn't call the NBA. Think because it's the you know the least physical as ever. That takes anything away from it. Sure you can take that away, but players are switching. Players are shooting more than ever players or are switching more than ever moise more defensive. You can think they're not playing defense, but you know that shows you. How good of offensive player as we have in today's league? They are playing defense. They're switching more than ever throwing multiple guys and different offensive playing. Yeah, today's NBA Some the best basketball. We've seen players, switching and shooting and handling the ball. Better not better than we've ever seen, but it's close to being better than we've ever seen You know in like just to close on my statements on Kenny I do disagree with him I understand where he comes from because of his era. You know everyone has their era and things in kind of glorifies. Era so I understand what he's doing. I think everyone tends to do that but soon me Lebron James Okay to me Lebron James has got to be this first or second, first or second best player on that top ten. He's number two or number one on that top ten. In my opinion, the only player that I am not necessarily going to argue you with is Michael Jordan at that number one number two spot. Okay, that's the only player that I discussed Lebron. James with in a Michael Jordan Lebron James. Those two guys are pretty much in A. Of their own in my opinion, I would take him over the players Kenny listed like shack and and Larry Bird and Oscar Robertson I I would take Lebron over those players like I said I understand where Lebron were Kenny's coming from but you know just to end on a good note talking about Lebron you know twenty, seven, seven and seven and fifty percent from the floor for his career so twenty, seven, seven seven. He's a three time. Champ three time champion three time finals MVP. Four time regular season MVP sixteen time NBA all, Star, three or third, all time in points, total points and eighth in total assists. All that added up. You know I think it's at least the top ten NBA player. Happy he did crack Kenny's top ten finally, so props for Kenny for putting Lebron. His top ten hasn't quite made it to the top five yet. We'll see what this season what he can do. You know finishing out the season if that can propel him in a lot of people's all time list. Maybe we see Kenny put him in the top five. Maybe. He has another regular season MVP as well as a a ring NFL. Mvp what he can do, a might not add anything to his resume this off season. Over hype, it too much but yeah things are coming for Lebron. Possibly I think he solidified himself as an. At least you know a top five player. I think he's a number, one or number two best player of all time I'm happy. He cracked the top ten for Kenny. The Jet Smith but yeah I'm going to take a quick break and look when I come back I WANNA look into this year's NBA. Free Agency and you know see what that might look like some of the you know best players, and of for the best player coming out of that free agency I want to talk about his decision, and what that might do to the entire league, so don't don't go away I'll be right back. Check out the show that's built on the from UFC to. Cage biting. They got the fights covered. Check out the GMC MMA podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we talked to, and about some of the biggest names in the. Past President Pitcher when it's the fight game. There's just one show to checkout GSM. See podcasts dot Com backslash, M. E. Dadge podcast. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes, MC. PODCAST! Dot Com for more INFO. Did. Welcome back is like I, said before the. I wanted to take a look. Take a look into this year's end. Be a free agency and talk about some of the best possible players and know where they may just might land but you know with this season being delayed obviously next season being delayed, free agency will not begin until October eighteenth twenty twenty, so after the NBA finals in the postseason. Has You know concurred and we have our champion a couple of weeks after that we'll get the NBA free, agency. And I don't want to over hype. This year's Free Agency for you. Guys. Because it is not a last year's huge free agent market, so don't expect any huge. Blockbuster moves like we did last season. Before we talk about this season, let's talk a little bit about last year's. On all the moves that happened so. Obviously, we see Katie leave the warriors Goto the Brooklyn. Nets Cairo leaves the Celtics Join Katy on the Brooklyn Nets. We see Hawaii leaving Toronto. You know almost leaving the Lakers high and dry joins a Los Angeles Clippers. We see Jimmy Butler. Leaving the young seventy sixers for you know a grit and grind tough team in Miami and we see Kemba. Walker moving from the small market. Hornets to the Big Market Boston Celtics so lots of big moves last season lots of big names moving. From market to market so again. Don't expect anything quite as big as last season, but don't think this free agency is just kind of be you know a bump in the road or just? You know nothing huge because. Nothing big because they have some bigger pieces, some players that you know are some potentially valuable pieces to contending rosters I think there are some players on this list so go ahead and talk about this season and error this this free agency in some of the players that are probably GonNa be free agents. Some of these players are on player options, so it depends to them if they want to opt in or opt out. but as far as this year, the biggest name out there or one of the biggest names, not the biggest, but one of the biggest names Gordon Hayward it is a player option, so he could opt out or opt in this season alone. Seventeen points six rebounds, four assists I think he's somewhat starting to get back to the All star stride that he was playing at before. That injury hasn't quite found himself in Boston quite yet he is. Is. He does have a whole lot of talent around him. so he is no longer the focal point of the offense being the number one guy so that is also why we see the drop stats also has to do with the injury so multiple factors going in either way, a guy who can come in and put in some high valuable minutes, not I number two guy, but I think can be a number three guy on your roster. again for a competing team so I like where he is in Boston I think more than likely. He ops in because the contract that he has with Boston isn't necessarily promised anything more outside of their outside of that, so I I bet he stops and gets his payday from Boston, and then maybe we him go elsewhere, but I think he'll opt in this season. Stay with the Celtics There's also a guy like Paul millsap Hasn't necessarily you know. He's been a big bigger piece for the Denver Nuggets, but not you know the number one. All Star Guy, an all-star player we saw him be in Atlanta I. That player is probably past him twelve point six rebounds a guy who can spread the floor with his with his outside shot That's that's who he is nowadays and there's nothing wrong with that. I would love to see him. Go to a contending team again be a three D. type player who can spread the floor and play some solid defense, a guy like Paul. MILLSAP is also out there in somewhat ready out there for the taking so not a guy. You necessarily want to underestimate in Paul millsap. Demar Derozan also a guy who will most most likely be a free will be a free agent. This year hasn't gotten an extension or anything done with the San Antonio Spurs. I don't think they're quite in love with him. As a player, but I do think they will extend him because he's one of the better players available for their team now this year he's averaging twenty two points five rebounds five assists. Not You know not quite the player. He wasn't Toronto. To the spurs a different team different system, no longer the number one guy. I understand. Very team oriented game plan in San Antonio. Why his stats have dropped a little bit You know just kind of a shell shock to leave Toronto. You know so. No No, no disrespect for Demar not quite the player he was, but still twenty point a night. Score potentially out there, but we know he's GonNa WanNa pay day You know he's GonNa want somewhat of a Max contract. We could see San Antonio again, lock him up and just keep him around one of the better players available right now and in the foreseeable future, but you know I could see him going. Going to a a bigger team, you know somewhat of a smaller narrow smaller market in San Antonio, but yet not a huge market, not a note is a well known team in the Spurs, not a flashy market by any means. I think he's from L. A.. Maybe we see him. Come to a team in all in Los. Angeles or more like a team in Los. Angeles, but we'll see I would like to. See. I'd be okay with him staying in San Antonio, it'd be okay with him. Leaving San Antonio I don't have hugh too big of an opinion on this move either way. He's going to be a free agent I. DO think he's going to be one of the more. Sought after you know one of the guys, a lot of teams try to go after this off season. Maybe team like the Knicks who swung and missed on so many big names. We maybe we him go and Max out a guy like the Marta rose, and who knows either way somewhat chasing contract in Dhamar. Otto Porter Jr... I could very well see him going again to a contending team being a valuable piece or I could see him staying in a smaller market team. Maybe getting a bigger contract, a bigger role you know again being a bigger role in their offense. Getting more minutes more shots I could see him doing either way for him going to more of a contending team you know have have more of an impact there than are smaller lesser of a chance to win. Team really depends on what he's looking after if he's, is he looking after you know personal out accolades, accolades as he chasing a payday. What is he chasing? Win Okay really really depends on what he's looking for. but Otto Porter Jr. definitely a guy out there and a guy who's going to be sought after this off season. another Guy Nick, assume okay, not. Necessarily panned out the way you wanted him to in Charlotte but that team it's not necessarily his fault. That team hasn't been good in years, so not nick bottoms fall. I can't blame him for leaving the trailblazers getting the big contract he did get from the Hornets You know it's kind of you know if they're going to give it to me. Why wouldn't I take it? You know so props to him for getting that. Big of a contract hasn't necessarily panned out the way they wanted it to. But I do think he is a an established role player. Now he can maybe come off the bench, or you're starting small forward. Not a guy you want to rely on, but he can start in this league in definitely come off the bench and score veteran presence on offense and defense so nick. I would love to see him signed on again. A more of a contending team and see him put in some effort we saw him get the big big payday the big contract. Let's see him. move out of Charlotte onto a bigger market. More relevant team that that's what I would. I would like to see from Nick Paton. Marcus saw I would love to see him. Go to a team like the Golden State Warriors. Also like Serge Ibaka Lucy and go to a team like the warriors bigs who can shoot the three ball, spread the floor and play some quality defense just saw them win their first championship together in Toronto, both guys who I don't think they'll be necessarily chasing the big payday I think they might just stick around in Toronto. We'll see how this. This off season turns out I. Think they're going to stay with either Toronto or another contending team a team that is already pretty much established I I would like to see them stay in Toronto. Keep keep the depth on that team. They simply need to add not lose guys in Toronto but who knows I would love to see them. Stay or go. Either Way Marcus all surgery. Baca both guys who are going to be sought after or chased after this off season, and rightfully so Danila Danilo Danilo Gallinari also guy who is going to be looked after. Having basically a career year in okay see averaging eighteen points I believe seven or so rebounds per game, so he's having a good year this year. We could see him getting a bigger contract then he would have if he hadn't have had this big season so maybe he stays in. Okay, see maybe they give him the contract. He's warning and they keep building through the draft with the draft picks. They have from the Paul George Russell Westbrook trades. So maybe they see they simply keep him around and keep building but you know either way because he's going to another contending team. I would love to see that but I for him. See more of a small market big pay day, con. That's more of what I see in, galleries future. Again all of these players to be on contending teams, a lot of them are, but I could save a few of them, going and chasing that payday in a smaller market as well so gall Nari. Decently big free agent, who who can, he shown everybody he is a score in this league can score on an off the bench or as a starter. A Guy who shouldn't be an underrated guy for sure in Oklahoma City. Tim Hardaway Junior another guy who you know. He's been in Dallas. Who's seen him on the Knicks, great shooter, really can spread the floor for your offense. Get get some buckets. like I, said a great three point shooter so. Busy, him, sign a not not I. Don't think you'll be able to get a big contract. Really kind of depends I like him. In Dallas, with Luca in Kristof, spreading the floor, even more so I, would like to see him stay in Dallas. Same thing with Franklin van fleet, I would like to see him stay in Toronto after winning the championship there I see them kind of maxine him out, and he's GonNa be there for a long time I think Goran dragic tragic. Point Guard in Miami. I could very well see him staying in Miami them giving him a couple year extension, or could see him again. Going to a higher market team, either way with Goran, he's an established point guard. Definitely a guy. You look out for this off season. Evan Fourniret. A guy who's been in Orlando pretty much all of his career. It's not if not all of his career. Scorer so it'd be? It'd be cool to see him in a bigger market, but I think he stays in Orlando Tristan Thompson coming off that huge contract I don't think he's GonNa. Get One. Like the one he got in the past, probably a smaller one. Does he stay in Cleveland or does he go chase rings with his Guy Lebron? Let's see I think Tristan. Thompson leaves. CLEVELAND also guy like Jordan Clarkson deserving of contract I think he might just stay in in Cleveland. They maximum out as their. Lou will six men coming off the bench. either way Jordan Clarkson. Definitely GonNA, have a contract coming his way Andre Roberson another guy who's been injury or injured for a long time coming back possibly in this bubble. Could you know he's been Oklahoma City for a long time to see go to a different teams Zeke Oklahoma city either way another free agent, and then last Guy I wanna talk, Jay crowder somewhat of a earn less smaller guy I wanNA. Talk About Jae Crowder an underrated guy. We saw him be a big piece. That Celtic team ever since he's kind of just been traded we saw him get traded to the. The Grizzlies I think he's still on the grizzlies right now, so a guy has really just been moving around the last couple years he has a value and I would like to see him end up on a more contending team than the grizzlies or maybe stays as a veteran presence on that young team either way. There's really one big guy in this free agent market this season and that's gotTa. Be Anthony Davis okay. And there aren't really a whole lot of options for him. like we saw this past off season. You know a Lotta guys have taken the cap space on the on these other contending teams, and there aren't a whole lot of other spaces left for these superstars, so I think Anthony Davis. His best shot is to stay in La with one of the best co-stars possible in the Bron James He can again Yes, he can make the most money I believe. Would the Lakers. Instead of signing the extension, he can simply opt out sign. You know as a free agent five years. get an extra five hundred million dollars on top of the contract any extra year instead of the extension so smart. He doesn't do the extension. Simply you know ops out and signs as a free agent as far as other big competitors, you can say the Bulls, because he's from Chicago Illinois area but not not a contending team in Chicago. Not a team who really has a future in place seems like so I don't think it'd be a good move for him to leave La and go. Go to Chicago by any means so I think the best bet like I. said you stay in La with Lebron chases many rings as you can with him. You don't go to your home state quite yet. Let's let Chicago build up for a couple more years. Maybe on that next contract you go home to Chicago, but I think like I said Lakers were the best option you stay with Lebron in l., A. More the biggest stages biggest markets biggest stars in the broadening your Co Star that. Equals money success and longevity. On those two things as well so I say, he stays in La I think it is what he will inevitably be. do or you know ended up doing I would love to see. We love to hear what you think on this topic. As well I went to go ahead and take a quick break, and when I come back, I want to discuss all of the positions in the NBA. You know point, guard, shooting, guard, small, forward power forward center, and my top three players at each of those positions. Don't go anywhere I'M GONNA be right back. Out this show built around the women of MMA from the UFC to the extreme case fighting, we got the fights cover. It's the Golden State media concept's women's MMA podcast the latest news of upcoming. Discussions of previous mattresses join us as we talked to. In about the biggest names in wins, mixed martial arts past present and future. When it's the women's game, you know where to listen to the golden state media concepts women's May podcast. Doc. All right guys back to the final segment of the GMC basketball podcast like I said before the break I want to talk about all of the positions in the NBA in the top three players at each of those positions. Without a lot of these without live games going on right now in a lot of people tend to bank on. Crank out a lot of these lists. Like I've said you know bleacher poor espn they. They do a whole lot of them especially when they have nothing else really to do so, this is something we see happening a lot. I saw them make one for the NFL. At the top twenty players at each position or something so I thought why not? Let's do it for the NBA, but instead it's twenty. That's a whole lot less do three players at each position. So, let's start at the point. Guard position in the top three players at that position at number one I have got some. Give the edge you know. PUT The number one point guard give that role. Give that you know. that. Achievement ever go. That's the word I'm looking for him to Steph Curry I gotta give it to a staff I think he's the best point guard in the League today. He's the most decorated with two in VP's three championships I. Think he's the best shooter. This league has ever seen. He changed the league and he's the reason that we see so many three point shots today's game, so he changed the game and my opinion, he is the best point guard in the league. Today Damian Lillard in my opinion is. Is that the number two spot at least right now. He's at that number two spot. You know we saw him last year. Go head to head with a Russell Westbrook. beat him. Be First Team Ba. We've seen him be second team all NBA is an all star for the past six or seven years now he solidified himself as a top three point guard in this league in my opinion time to put more respect on the two k. twenty-one cover athlete Damian. Lillard is my second best point guard in the NBA Today. At number three This was a really tough decision for me number three. I decided to give the edge to Russell Westbrook the triple double machine that's also because of his availability I almost I wanted to put Kyrie Irving on the spot because you know. The highest level we saw him win the NBA finals in and his highest level of play so I don't want to knock him or take anything away from men were doubt him in any in any way, but availability Russell Westbrook is the point car when it comes to availability. He's going to be there pretty pretty much every night. Giving giving you pretty much the same thing I know lots appoints lots of rebounds. Lots of assists so availability a big part in why I have Rhino Ross number three. He's been you know an established point. Guard and MVP winner himself so Russ is my third best point guard in the League today. Let's move to the shooting guard position. Okay shooting guards at number one. I gotta give it to the Beard James Harden okay. Last year we saw him average three five points the first since Kobe and MJ to do that, so an established all time scorer James Harden. Is You know he can? He's basically a wizard with the basketball. We know we've seen him. Basically you know create that step back three point shot that is not apparently a traveling anymore. In the NBA so he's coined that almost you know invented that move like the Kareem Hook you know the the. MJ Kobe fadeaway You Got James. Harden in the step back three so James Harness is the number one shooting guard MVP winner. Is We've seen him in the Western Conference finals year after year battling those warriors. He's the best shooting guard in the NBA today at number two. I gotta go with Clay Tomson Okay the two-way guy one of the best two way players in the NBA, the best catch and shoot player ever seen one of the best shooters we've ever seen. He's part of the best court in NBA history. He has three. Championships themselves. Was a large part in an under rated part, but a large part of all of those championships, Klay Thompson is my number, two shooting guard, my second best shooting guard in the entire NBA, and he deserves more respect on his name than he actually gets I think he's GonNa come back better than ever and when we saw him last in the twenty thousand nine finals. That was some of the best basketball I've seen clay ever play, so I'm I'm predicting near the same come from clay. He's the second best shooting guard in the NBA Today. At number three I. Go with Bradley Beal Okay. Averaging close to thirty points this season. simply because he's in the wizards on the wizards smaller franchise, not a very A contending franchise by any means somewhat of an irrelevant team. At this time they did get invited to Orlando Bradley. Beal's not playing. You know he's injuries. He's GonNa. Sit Out and get healthy when playing. You know when healthy I think, he's in his peak, just arriving in his peak, and and he was snubbed of the all-star achievement. This season definitely should have been in all star over Chris Middleton definitely you know thirty points twenty points just that alone but he deserved to be an all star. This year was snubbed of it Bradley. Beal is my third best shooting guard in the NBA Today small forwards. Number One! I go with the King Lebron James Seventeenth season moved positions still averaging ten assists in the League career high for him, leading the League in assists. He's second in MVP, voting or in the race right now, so he could very well win. The MVP, himself number one seed in the Western Conference Lebron James. He's the best small forward in the NBA Today gotta say and number two when healthy. When healthy. Okay. Kevin Durant is the second best small Ford in this league. He's a seven foot. Assassin can shoot at all three levels as a three level score showed in Golden State. He can also do it on the defensive side, and his two championships two finals. Envy's MVP's a MVP multiple scoring titles. Kevin Durant is my number two, my second best small forward in the League today. Number three I go with Kawhi Leonard Raining Finals. MVP has two championships two finals. MVP's to defensive player of the years. You know when you think of two way players. He's arguably the first player to come to mind. What he's doing for the clippers this season, as well proving his worth proving whatever team he goes to basically title contender from the get-go Coil Leonard is my third best small forward in the League today. Power forward position. Number one in. He's officially ranked as this so I feel weird putting him as this number one jaanus onto Toco. Small Ford! Apparently, he's more of a power forward either way. He's number one. What he's doing close to thirty points twelve rebounds last year's MVP be this year's. MVP number one seed in the NBA. Have ranked very highly offensive in on the defensive side, so we is doing. He's the anchor. They go as far in Milwaukee as jaanus goes. Jaanus is my number one power Ford in the League today. Number two. Anthony Davis in my opinion is a defensive player of the year this year averaging twenty six points, nine rebounds, getting block a game. You know again number one seed in the western conference with Lebron in the Lakers. Anthony, Davis new team, highest brightest stage possible. He's done nothing, but shine improve. He belongs in L. A.. He is a star in this league. He's my second best power forward. Number three I go with Pascal. Pascal, Seok, come the up and coming. You know reigning champion, twenty three points seven rebounds, and he's an up and coming player for sure I think he's GonNa, be an all star for years to come. He proved his worth in Toronto last year getting helping them win that championship seeing them still be the number two seed in the Eastern Conference today in large part the biggest part to do with Siachen, so he in. In my opinion, third best power forward in the League today and at the center position. Number One. You know the process trust. The process Joel Embiid is is my number one center when he's healthy. That's the biggest knock. Is he going to be on the floor when he is on the floor? He's my number one center. He can shoot from outside. He can dominate the pain. Grab Rebounds Again Block opponent shots defensive. Defensive Anchor ofensive presence so can do it on both sides of the court. He's my number. One Center in the League number two I gotta go with Nikola Yokich can pass rebound shoot. He is the anchor of that nuggets team. He's the reason you know that young up and coming team in the nuggets has played so well. The past couple of years has been. MVP CANED IT in the past couple of years. You know Yokich in a smaller market or not as well known team as the nuggets That's why he doesn't get quite the recognition. He should is all star in his my second best center in the NBA, in at number three for the center position I. Go with Karl Anthony Towns. He can do on the offensive side not. As much of a defensive anchor quite yet you know we haven't seen Minnesota play up to the standard or up to the hope, our hopes in on the how how good we were hoping they were going to play Karl. Anthony towns is obviously the focal point of that team. The leader of that team they go as far as he will take them haven't you know he? He's been in the playoffs. Once had someone of a disappointing appearance there. Either way is a dom- dominating center the third best, center in this league in my opinion. I just WANNA see some more wins in the win loss caller, I'm GONNA see more in that win column for Karl Anthony, towns and Minnesota before i. move him up on this list. List. Either way is an all star in the third best center in the League today. In my opinion, those are my positions. Those are my players to give you guys my. You know what I think and how I view all the players in today's game. That kind of gives you an insight onto my brain how I think and how I process all of these players. Players today our love to hear your guys opinions on my list and I would love to hear some of your own lists, so leave us a comment. If you enjoyed today's show, I urge you to leave us a comment on any platform. You're listening to and go check us out on social media. Our twitter page facebook page are they are active, so go check them out. In lastly before I end today show WanNa thank you all for the continue support at GMC thank you from me Bryce, nick all of us on the basketball podcast. 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K.C. Johnson on Coby White, Derrick Rose & Jimmy Butler, and Michael Jordan

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K.C. Johnson on Coby White, Derrick Rose & Jimmy Butler, and Michael Jordan

"In what forty eight Howard Beck senior. NBA Writer for bleacher report beef four I introduced last steamed guest for the day and Yeah I've covered multiple NBA finals. I kind of feel like I done the newspaper thing right and so all of a sudden here's this opportunity to try some different skill sets and challenge myself a little bit and like you said No it's been fun I never thought I'd leave newspapers I think united both probably spend the entire podcast waxing poetic about our love for newspaper we will not bore the listeners I mean a lot of it like I said life's about timing and all of a sudden they just started lining up to make sense to try this at this stage of my career not not to say that I'm I covered to Olympics as I've known Casey Johnson for a long time and more important than me knowing him as the fact that Casey's been covering the Chicago Bulls one of the most esteemed franchises in this NBA The great thing about the Gig that you've got with NBC's you're not you didn't make a full break you're still a writer at heart we I think we you know we all are still occasionally right between podcasts sports or to be newspaper guys as writers and reporters primarily and but you get to a certain point your career you await somebody actually wants to put me on he's made the leap to the dark side he's wearing a tie it's probably going to put on some powder on his face later KC welcome insure on spotify on all kinds of other platforms with weird names and if you're ought apple podcasts please give us a rating and review it helps us out a lot were you got and you can hit me on twitter of course at Howard Beck and now my guest today my esteemed guest esteemed let me tell you you know go blab on TV a little bit which is hilarious I just gotTa get the players take me take me seriously when I interviewed him on. TV that's that's that's the next step but now it's been fun it's been I'll have my eternal gratitude leisure reviews recommendations suggestions requests for guests whatever hit me with like you I don't think I ever had thought about being a radio person a TV person podcast didn't dig we wanted to cover the sport or to cover Our how are you I'm doing great it's only been a couple of weeks how's it feel being a TV Guy I am not a TV guy brought my face made for radio to TV you too Dalibor to Derrick Denzel I'm guessing at least the younger fans will know that Denzel is Denzel Valentine correct and with that I love the Chicago Tribune always will spend twenty nine wonderful years there was not looking to leave you now it is Howard Life's about timing right opportunity at the right time look I'm not going to tell you that it makes you a bad person if you have not given us a rating interview I'm just saying it makes you better person if you do give us a rating and review since one thousand nine hundred ninety six I'm bad at math but that's a long time Casey Johnson he's now the Bulls insider for NBC Sports Chicago maybe not as often as people would like but it's it's dead had to be able to do both I think is is such an attractive thing those of us who came up the newspaper side where you know I mean you've you've you've seen it all so let's talk about that you've seen it all and including the crash and burn of the latest you know and it's been fun doing that multi-platform thing that we're all doing now so yeah we'll we'll TV little writing for the web podcasting it's all it's all happening well that's that's at our selves broadcast people by by upbringing but you're getting to to do that are you finding that you're just use nailed it The Times it's just been a blast when you get to like mid career and you can go okay I can I can learn some new things Majid for you that's that's part of this to that all right we don't kinda struggled to make the transition to the NBA that his growth plates are still open. I will never forget that quote because I still don't know what it means that was figurative not literal an intriguing talent who obviously is off to in a very small sample size a solid start and so there was a little bit of buzz about this team in I was GonNa kill me for that that he is or somebody will yeah and my my my longtime quote about Dalibor Bagger reaches from Jerry Krause Telling US after he derek is probably Derrick rose I'm guessing most of them do not get past dalibor the garbage mike getting lesson Baga reach I got her each please rebuild especially when you're talking about a guy like Zach Levine who is the centerpiece of this team and is not only twenty four but this is a six season so I don't understand why they WanNa do that Oh you wanna give me a pocket all right cool I guess I could do that and it's it's I can tell you for my experience over the last six years since leaving I just I don't know just great guy underwhelming NBA career yeah that's the best part of your bio on twitter by far but but this is a team that right now feels like it's ready for that breakthrough nice mix of youth and a few vets that they brought in Sanski Thought he's shown is this the year is this the year that that's when you gotta start you know showing out and putting up the results and you know Zach obviously has made it pretty clear you'd like to be in the All Star game it's very conveniently located in Chicago early but it's been it's been a lot of fun and then it it was the right move at the right time congrats on that thank you your twitter bio I think some of the best covered bulls from dynasty possibly special now we're sitting here recording on Monday afternoon hours before the Bulls in Knicks play and we'll we'll find out where that goes into it's always fun to overreact to to these stars is there with their moves you've mentioned sat around skiing young I think those are pretty widely praised solid free agent signings then you know Kobe white at the seven pick was Doodo relevance version of of the bowls tiptoe era it's been a few years now many twists and turns along the way but this team this season feels like there's something really because a year ago at this time I'm going I don't know if I squint really hard I think the Bulls may be Kinda SORTA and I was I was obviously too far ahead of myself a year ago at this time with the irrational action you know seventeen eighteen wins still be forty one team you can still make the playoffs as the AC in the east possible and I was a year at least victories to that is pretty pretty large jump it is a large jump I think we all feel like in the eastern conference all things are possible including jump they are relevant again do we see it well relevancy I think is a better word than playoffs which is kind of becoming the vogue term today they kinda obviously drew some offseason buzz there is enough kind of tread on the tires that that you know I think we've seen Larry Market in play at all star level in this league now window Carter the Bulls certainly should be at least like you said relevant again this season and in that mix because he thinks it does drop off after about six or so in terms of teams that you can reliably say Willa the United Center so yeah I think relevancy is a good word some people are picking them for playoffs obviously we're all guessing I I just think twenty two entry or about this team coming off off season but I personally don't see them as a playoff team I just think too much has to go right for them to jump from twenty two France which is really you know from past five maybe past six you know who's your seven through eleven right it could be anybody so you've been around that guy man he he's he's legit but again getting back to the overall picture I just think there are too many ifs but they certainly should take a pretty trees to the playoffs now we're all just guessing here obviously but relevancy I think is a better word Howard and look of a rebuild you should see significant growth by year three of a Rib African jump for the reason mentioned before with being year three of a rebuild that's when you should start seeing significant growth the nice off season and then as you mentioned the eastern could be horribly wrong I just to me is just too many qualifier it's like if sack Levin can get to that all stare level if Larry Market in concert star taking steps towards I'm confident that this team will be in the playoffs right there's a lot of it gets really murky after about six down in the east lets overreacted Kobe White Okay overexuberance and I've got it again with the Bulls I feel like that's where everybody is with the Hawks now and I think people are at least a year earlier the hawks because of youth I feel like the Bulls Yeah I mean you're right it's there's still a lot of twenty four and under on this roster and maybe that is still too soon and you're right I mean everything you just said is spot on and so here's here's why I love I love what I've seen from this kid so far dude shot three for thirty from three point range in summer league now again let's in terms of what he showed us the media but just talking to people within the organization hey coach let's go watch some film hey coach what can I do to get better hey coach what do I do on this cover wjr this guy gets it and for a nineteen year old kid he's to me way pass were I thought he would be so I'm buying all Kobe white stock right now yeah fortunately didn't get a a complete full rookie season but like there's there's you know talent along the front court Nado porter and you bring in Saturday's game so now you got somebody to settle down the artem if Wendel Carter junior stay healthy and you know become this two way forced at the franchise believes he will be if Kobe can seven and seventeen seven and then twenty five the next game in the second half in the second half on the road on the road qualifier it's only summer league but just being around him and the way he handled that and the way he wasn't shocked by that or affected by that not only this is a step forward so to answer your question I think the organization is absolutely embracing it and letting it run and I will actually offense and you know you don't have to put it on Kobe white and you don't have to rely on this being the or the Chris done figures it out right so if you like the pieces are maybe kind of there but I mean Kobe like I said just completely dominated the he was involved in a lot of big plays in that road victory and again just memphis but we all know any road victory particularly for young team in the NBA we're three games in he did just have a zero points in twenty two minutes against Toronto but before that he went for seventeen your match up enough and I'm telling you Kobe won that matchup and it's just came like you said we're overactive one game here I'll actually I'll use the different stat right but he's not a point guard he to me he writes me a little bit and this is a early bad let's overreact cop you're a little bit of Lou Williams just come in Memphis Friday night and you know we throughout the just the casual what do you think John Moran question you know he he praised John Moran and then at the end but we we got a bad dude over here ourselves and you gotta learn the Point Guard position they're just saying you're young athletic talent who knows how to score we need young athletic talent go out there and just play Jim Boylan. This is what we thought and hoped for hours teammates the coaches reacting are they fully on board the hype train. Yeah Zach Levine We talked to him post game in unfortunate I serious knee injury derrick rose and in two thousand twelve with a torn left ACL he was touted as a point guard aim with like a is it I mean this happens all the time rookie comes in has a few good showings in a meeting organization was to be like hey guys like the don't get carried away is the organization itself saying Oh no no no we figure it out and actually that one to me I know it's a small sample size but I let's overreact he's an awesome yeah yeah we'll get to him but that one is less of a qualifier to me than some of these other ones because I thought it was great pickup he can play a couple of different positions but they draft Kobe white and everybody's saying well no that's that's going to be his but you just pointed out he looks more like a score more of a Lou Williams him he's a baller that's what he said we ask what his position is he's a baller so and Jim Boylan has a lot of very old school so I think the I thought he might at this stage of the season yeah when they drafted him you alluded to and I actually jotted down as one of my notes like do even curious about this do you do you know what the number is not make the list kind rick Marcus teague Jaren grant Rajon Rondo give Jim Boylan some credit here because look when he was drafted we all know the Bulls have struggled to figure out the point guard position since number one suffered a play on the ball playoff the ball he's a shooter he's a score this is this is all time leading scorer in North Carolina High School History score more points to freshman point guard. There's a lot Chris Dun Dun I'm I I miss an obvious one I don Cameron Payne Cameron Payne Yeah what are we up to people don't WanNa put that as a ceiling or or even floor for him but like he does seem more like that undersized shooting guard slash Combo Guard however you want to classify patient the answer question has embraced it and handle it the right way and I think he's I don't think I know he's playing more than they probably granted in Memphis and against a fellow rookie point guard but still my but a pretty pretty heralded rookie point guard and they were all mad they weren't matchup directly all the Time Carolina than Michael Jordan you basically have to say that every time we talk about Kobe throw that detail in there and I like the organization has used them they're not saying Okay Positional Position Lists Basketball that is today's NBA and you know Santa Rank you can play one two or three Zach Levine can play on her off the BALZAC Levin can be a lead guard at times kind of stopgap and not kind of a prototypical point guard and Chris done is still the defensive lineman offense yeah missing some obvious one CJ Watson no yeah he probably started a game a point guard who's the point guard last season I should know all right archie doc started some games. Am Is there a path here trajectory where you think he becomes more of the traditional playmaker and score obviously we're in an era where point guards are not limited by anything but does he have the playmaking chops the court vision that the bull see that that will eventually be where he settles in he's got the speed he doesn't have the awareness of the courtroom sat around ski who's not your traditional or prototypical point guard but definitely good very solid ball handler and playmaker I don't know why Washington let him walk but they did things and flatten the floor drag defense down and maybe get some secondary offense if you don't get something in transition so you know that's Kinda Jim Boylans entre to play just push pace and multi ball handler so they're not worried at all about Kobe being a traditional point guard they just want him to be a player will because we also are also are in a position list kind of era where you know having a bunch of guys who can just take the ball off the backboard and push it up the court and are basically whoever grabs the ball other than the five-man whoever grabs the ball off the board and Larry Marketing you'll see this often grab the ball the board push it up and disguise and yet and doesn't know how to guard or really run pick and roll very well yet he's just he's just a scoring athlete right now good three point shooter pushes the bond transition what I like about is he in fact that's what the Bulls are calling the point guard position now their clinical lead guard so so maybe progressive yes so maybe they haven't figured out the point guard physicians in play on or off the ball but you mentioned sat around ski and I think that with the Bulls have done for the first time in a while is they've just added guys for versatility to play in this how many guys have started at point guard since Derek went down with that I knew I should know this I mean I could star rattle how many can you name Neat Ron Okay better talent they've 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I just did it from the couch I got myself some very cool shirts pants shorts some nice socks the right moves they got the Taj Gibson and the joke him Noah's Jimmy Butler to make that that that era as good as it was when it crashed and burned it was all on them in popular in the the local like Gallup ratings among the Chicago Bulls fans but during that era they'd made a lot of analogy I saw John Paxton takeover for Jerry Krause in three and within two years flip the entire roster except for curry and Tyson Chandler. We're talking to Heinrich and Mike Weldon will refund your money no questions asked and that wilders underwear socks and shirts look as good as they perform you can wear macworld into the gym to work kid none starting at point guard they picked him up right at the end of last season row he's a great but it was whether he got the ball whether tyler hero got the ball whoever got justice Wednesday this data bunch of guys who could in your semi regular reminder if you're not subscribe to this podcast you can then you should hit the subscribe button you can do that apple podcasts on St there's been some begrudging respect but they're by no means out of the woods yet and it's it's weird so you mentioned that the era and this is where I can flash a little institutional this is Donovan call anymore so I mean arguably yeah they I mean we joke but I mean in a way they haven't if Kobe white cells mainly just kind of a baller in score or a baller capital be able to listen to it it's not the worst model in the World I mean even though we are in an era of a lot of talented or real or real are are kind of faded transfield okay are they feeling good about their they're offering some begrudging respect for management's off season now I'm talking now local flavor right nationally what is the perception nationally of Gar packs was ever is venomous as it was locally clearly so have the Lou alday Ben Gordon drafty Andres hundreds no Siani free agent signing the Chris Doohan draft in the second round and that team you mentioned theater also against Memphis but they're like the Bulls you know I would say to their to their credit or in their defense if they don't have a point guard yet maybe it's they've never really been in favor that team was beloved by the local fan base because it was the try hard balls right to the team that was just enough to win high forties low fifties and bounced the first or second round of the playoffs but they were really fun to watch and that was John's first crack at being an executive so there's a lot of love for management back then they had the one blimp oh seven hundred eight skylab crashed and burned and got fired and the other Jim Boylan I've covered oil as head coach pretty pretty is he wrong the first time because they were reacting to the I like literally like three days of his tenure as head coach or is he evolving as we go what do we know about Jim Boylans just needed to work them hard and then worked hard is cancelling shootarounds to go easy on them or to reward them or to it so did everybody's have him just crazy dockery not long ago last season much scrutiny much stereotyping I noted in one of your recent reports dude cancelled like the playoffs for that part of the fan base that's still kind of holding out full endorsement of these guys to finally say okay you know what they've they've the two thousand eight draft lottery so getting back to management yeah I mean I think I said earlier on I think their off-season was pretty widely praised I think everybody saw did and then Kobe early returns are good so and they also drafted Daniel gaffer just an athletic big in the second round so his middle name but it but don't rob us of our Shack Koby moment we've got shack Harrison and Kobe White Oh no no I actually made sure as soon as I saw that too tweeted yeah there's there's there's some begrudging golf claps come in from the local fan base but they gotta do it on the court now is there a need for them to make it'd be like you know participation trophy kind of thing so they got a little bit of ways to go but it's trending is trending upward certainly I I believe it is but I've straight shooter rounds the guy who supposedly this Neanderthal old school nineteen fifties coach who was going to drive into the ground and grind their bones into dust because he like Zach would have to make the all star game and Laurie would have to be a double double guy and they'd have to get to like the eighth or seven seat and then there'd be wh- I mean that wasn't that the source of some of the problems with Tibbs was the Difference Between Front Office and the coaching staff about how to deal with health injuries all that and I will say that have made up for it they were vindicated I mean the fan base again this is painting with broad brushstrokes right here right but it's only like twenty thousand people in the arena at the NBC Sports Chicago Bulls Center needs to find out when you when you find that out get back to me let me know do a podcast get a story idea I love it evolutionist head coach yeah so we're also talking to load management for Otto Porter Jr. so we're really the Bulls are getting really progressive on well but but the front office in any given time so you can take the pulse of the the the fan base is so jaded that the wouldn't do much there's gotTa be rung on this team before the by the way I pull up pull up Kobe whites basketball reference page and just this is the first time I actually noticed he's actually Alec Jacoby White so Kobe's actually just short for whenever that was when when when they picked up that shack I think I immediately like it I could not wait to tweet that involves had finally had shacking code ago Oh does he go go Kobe for a reason was that just a childhood nickname or did he adopt that because he be because of like the Kobe something what I'm here for Jim Boylan you mentioned a couple of times Jim Boylan with the n not the am who you've previously covered the Bulls Jim Boylan Source of much more around the team and obviously you get nuance and subtleties that you know not everybody gets from headlines and you know tweets at Cetera came in boom blew it up conditioning drills long practices push ups and then obviously the well documented Sunday after the young to be the solid veteran signing that he is I think everybody saw as you mentioned Saturday kind of a head scratcher that they're gonNA get him away from Washington for the price Jim Jim is doing what he basically said he was going to do it look it's it's hard to he was he was tasked to change the culture under Fred Hoiberg rightly really in Lockstep Communication Wise and philosophy wise so but getting back to gym Yes oh that first week was pretty nutty there's no getting around it but for those of us so jim came in and said it's my job to change the culture a culture center and he he used the word shock shock and awe that first week and it was he move moved onward I would say this is about as a line as I've seen a coaching staff and management in the current situation there a little bit more I mean you know the the East especially with the way the conferences is to me to to some to the pulse of the fan base that I come across my sphere quick aside before answering questions this is and I've covered a lot of head coaches with the Bulls I started with Phil and Phil as you know Your Buddy Phil and my wrongly the perception had become that the bulls become kind of a soft wise airfare team and is always under my words that's management's works on Paxton said that when he fired Fred Hoiberg talks about you know playing with bowls across your chest and playing hard for the city of Chicago and stuff that you know some people may find goofy or sappy or kind of being painted as someone who is having trouble adjusting to Jim Kazak had pretty much free reign under Fred I mean he can take whatever shot he wanted and Jim challenged directly like I need Eh let led to several hours team meetings and I will say this by that night pretty much everyone even the ones who are going what the Hell's going on here and I'm talking players now we're in a better place by that Sunday night and that's week one and then there's the well-documented story now that you know Zach Levine the worst loss in franchise history home loss to the Celtics fifty six points falling a back to back he called for practice and some players weren't too thrilled with that and and the point being was always less chaotic and on the inside than it appeared from the outside now jim is unconventional there's no doubt about that I mean this team has bought into what he's doing and it's filled with conscientious professionals so I don't think you'll see many crazy headlines the clippers where he and doc rivers get into it and Sakhalin offers to pay Jim boylans signs which obviously is not allowed by the CVA but it was a nice gesture you to be a more responsible two way player there's documents story from from Marsh where Jimbo dejected from a road game in La an and the players you know they can see through stuff right they can see through sappy bs stuff and he he's convinced them that he is their biggest advocate and yet he's going to basis and accessible with the media the only time I've ever seen get upset when you bring up the old school thing because he's like what's old school about doing things knowing a person in today's NBA players coaches but especially with coaches he comes across in an appearance to a certain extent intone and in some of the throwback things that he does let's Casey in terms of the way he's working with players on load management or cancelling shootarounds or the way he's just his communication his going and seeing them all which is very much full of pros responsible working pros so he doesn't need to be you know hey drop and Gimme fifty you know he he doesn't need to do that anymore right and what's wrong there's a right way to do things in a wrong way to do things and he really really bristles that and I wrote this last week in a column at NBC Sports Chicago Dot Com here's for their success he put the time in with film study with them he went and traveled and visited every one of them this off season including sat around ski in Europe Laurie Market will plug their and and I'm not I wanna make clear because you know Jim does occasionally himself he'll say like you know he worked for Gregg Popovich you worked for Rudy t yeah I mean he's listening to players he's got a more here's the other thing that only did he was he change the culture last year this year he's got a team think with boiling it was kind of hard to figure out what he was he seemed like maybe way too old school for this this particular moment in time in the NBA but what you've just a toast across the chest and he's a baller as old school kind of coach when we are in this kind of progressive era of where the coach is not necessarily the boss unless you are pop or Carlisle or doc rivers or Phil Jackson were to coach like there's a there's that old version of the NBA coach who is the boss and then there's this more has become a little bit of a punchline amongst the Bulls fan base I am I'm going to practice and I'm GonNa say this loudly and clearly I am not quitting Boylan to Pat Riley Okay and Pat Riley who has obviously earned the right to do whatever he wants he's a legend he's a hall of Famer but nobody's calling bad riley you know a crazy you know the yeah I know it's an executive now but he everyone would call Pat Riley old school right okay so the heat suspended two players this training camp yeah what James Johnson aggressive nuanced new age version of the NBA coach. Brad Stevens Steve Kerr where you know. You're you're a collaborator with the player right it's not as top down and and Dion waiters and James was for failing to conditioning tests Jim Boylan has a conditioning tests. Everybody pass it so you didn't hear anything out of the bowl scam in coach Kinda it seems like he actually is a bit of a blend more than any any a kind of a snapshot that people took of him last season and if you had whatever you whatever you want but I'll tell you this and you dangle Wien I've gone insane as well Jim Sh- has shown the players is how much he genuinely care Finland he he very conveniently went to Zach Levine what is when he was taking vacation in the Bahamas so also very smart man but he put the time in you know kind of dispute things like hey you know you can say what you want about bowls across your chest and some some of the things I say even though he believes them but call me old school under thrall throwback guy they're just calling Riley again he's got the cachet that Jim does not as a as a head coach but that that is where I've seen Jim uh how far he had fallen he's a renaissance again with Detroit Jimmy Butler as soon as he gets back from paternity leave we'll be leading a Miami heat team the and then the first season of Fred there was a that was a funky year all the way across but as far as where Jimmy and Derek are now they're totally cool and then for a long time and actually Derek was actually a pretty big resource for Jimmy as he was going through a situation where he was trying to get out of Minnesota Derek was like a lot of us myself included think it'd be top four in the east what's the sense in Chicago kind of is there a a a any bittersweet notion of seeing these guys kind of you know collects always say I'm GonNa Change these guys too and my job is to take them to a place that they can't get to them by themselves so that's the way he views his job but So the point being like Jim Jim like there's a right way to do things and a wrong way do you come to camp be in shape and let's go and nobody's calling the the perceived tension anyway between Jimmy and Derek was kind of the beginning of the end for that era yeah that was a funky season and there was one season where I wouldn't say they were clashing Derek is doesn't have clashing bone in his body he's passive aggressive guys just chill guy wants to play ball and go home but in their paths elsewhere now in you know and we're we're was the truth to you as far as you're concerned in what you saw close about those two together because it seemed like you know number one overall pick hometown kid embraced being the face of the Chicago Bulls loved being playing for his hometown franchise rookie of the year youngest MVP and leakers how then he has at any point since then there's been moments of this for the last couple of years but my God there was a point where like the Utah Jazz acquired him as a as part of the trade dump and then cut him like that's how this longtime I've never covered a story like derrick rose I it was the most polarizing weird difficult story that I've ever here as your guests as opposed to my boring comments would bristle at the old school thing he's bristled to it many times anybody who asked he's he's he's incredibly recovered in my entire career because the ascent was almost too good to be true and then the decent was just messy you know from the I mean this this season yeah and I I it seems to me that it's you know some of this is just all of us fans and media trying to come to grips sometimes with with how to to understand whoa Jimmy's ascent started there was a little bit of a struggle in terms of leadership in the locker because it was derrick rose's and joking Noah's locker room for even in that time where it was kind of funky and it was a polarizing story there was a huge segment fan base that will always love the kid how can you not root for a guy who's been through what he's been through and so more than once in the last few years we are in this era of player empowerment and more Austin can make a fortune off of other people's Misfortune TV's funniest game show is on TBS exactly in complex lazy you ever lose your lips chest out and saying this is my team now and Rosen or like who is this guy so you know started getting a little goofy near the ten year linger for the Pistons so yeah he's he's pretty he's pretty beloved in Chicago still Tuesday's TBS finally stopped breastfeeding player movement at the top level than than we've ever seen Chicago is the number three market in the country behind New York and La and when all these guys are either I'm in some maybe nostalgic kicking in are they happy to see him kind of resurface or research with with Detroit yeah he had a he had a big game last year county board forum and kind of had his back and and Jimmy's talking about this publicly as well so th they're fine as far as the fan base look like you Game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP to get started today along and they remember Jimmy as a guy coming out of the NBA lockout you know who never played that first year and you know pick here's Jimmy you know Kinda sticking his story and then the ACL tear and then it just got messy from then on so by the time he was traded again painting in broad brush strokes the majority of the fan base was the that that won't fly with Him Yeah we've talked a bit about that that Tibbs era it's interesting derrick rose is looking maybe better there was a time in the post your narrow where it was well this is the price they're paying for the way that Jerry Krause tore apart that team or the players Jordan Pippen on the way is planning the level that he has you know he's he's stayed true to himself he's been through a ton of rehabs and you know obviously the fifty point game last year for the timberwolves and now as you mentioned I watched the misery index a new game show Tuesdays at ten thirty on TBS can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to they all they all despised management and so they were still hope to carrying this burden of that but we're a long ways from the post and no one's chosen Chicago and a very I think Carlos Boozer is the correct me if I'm wrong is he the biggest free agent signing of the Post I said that at the time yeah she listened to me so but I don't have a definitive answer what I will say is this management is acutely aware of it because when they start of impractical jokers join host Jamila Djamil have turned by the milk the laughs the era they've post your Nera I mean they've come close a lot right they were in on the the big three that went to Miami they they've gotten their meetings defacto free agent signing because they needed a wing they needed a veteran wing they need somebody they could count on and obviously auto makes a big number thanks to that offer sheet for I've got a lot of meetings two guys use those meetings to get better deals elsewhere or whatever but teams get meetings but no one chooses the bulls are they in eleven or intent in ten and they were runner up in fourteen to Carmelo obviously and Carmelo's even come out and said I probably messed up not going to the bowl right forcing trades or leaving in free agency we've seen multiple guys go to La we've now seen guys land in Brooklyn even both L. A. Teams we've seen guys go to all corners of the they actually publicly acknowledged it in February of this year when they traded for Otto Porter Jr. and said this is basically our big ready for that for for things to move on it just got too messy into untenable do you think bulls fans now with the benefit of time repairs they're solid players but they're complimentary players so they're they're fully aware of this and that gets back to your point Howard about relevancy and John Paxton said this is what we needed in the immediate post Jordan era now is just too cold and windy I get this question all the time like how are they not been able to land the top free agents right in Brooklyn and they're they're saying so you know this is kind of like that eight up some of their cap space summer now they still have enough to do the young and Saturday but those are compliment active move to get auto on the trade market cap space but hopefully from their perspective they they think he will improve them the off season moves now they want to to to get in the mix it's interesting to hear them say something as they did with auto porter where it's like well this is our free agency because that's what you normally hear from teams in small markets do we need to start becoming relevant again because we're in year three rebuild and we're not an attractive place for Free Agency so the AH like quick easy terms for this I I keep trying to come up with something better all I've been able to cup with his destination versus non destination markets so Miami but they're operating they're the third largest market in their operating like you know the the New Orleans Pelicans or something which is fascinating but I also think that it's interesting to see teams kind of finding different ways or or different understanding even of themselves on how to operate so the Bulls maybe for a long time there are thought I think you have the ability to get free agents with your Cap Room you need to use it in other creative ways and that can be in trade and that could be to take people salary dumps and take pixel come with it whatever it may be small markets yeah the the smaller or an attractive markets they say well we we know and they don't say it outright this way because you never want to nobody wants to come here but like if you don't if you do not it's become a feeder system there are some alarming trends I think especially for the small markets but it is not just small market versus large market it is and I've I've tried to come up with a there's no with the timber wolves at the United Center and and the crowds start chanting MVP like they used to do back in the day and he was at the free throw line with a big smile on his face it was a pretty cool moment so of market but Toronto huge market not in the continental us but if they're a massive market but still not viewed as a destination and for for top free agents and maybe that'll change and I have no doubt in my mind that Toronto is positioning itself to make a run at twenty one but it is you know it you know obviously to make jumps so they can become relevant again and they're going to be they're going to be in that mix in that freezing class in the different understanding now and that's probably healthy thing for them yeah I agree I mean look you're not gonna be able to change it unless you look at it in the eye and take on directly this is why I always try to correct myself I'll stop myself sometimes when we start talking big market small marketing advantages and and the stratification of talent in this league sometimes of the fact that smaller mark because you're right it's been a while and and adding to the Jordan dynamic for awhile in the direct aftermath the dynasty dismantling it was also guys didn't want to play in the shadow of Jordan slices there's too much pressure rise minor minor points yeah yeah no but you're right we're we're way past ed so yeah they've been runner ups in the Big Three midsize market but a destination New York and La become destination markets except that the knicks kind of aren't you know and they're they're point twenty one the big one yeah yes they line up well for their so there's going to be another opportunity for them that's what they did but I mean I thought that public acknowledgment in the wake of the border trade was amazing quite frankly I mean that kind of self awareness and transparency and as a footnote right they're covering the belong to have covered from Jim Boylan in an e n the other Jim Boylan A. N. Took over and then they obviously lucked into derrick rose and the we're we're the team of Michael Jordan team that dominated the nineteen ninety s and we're one of the biggest markets were were were freaking Chicago of course guys want and now it's it's the acknowledgment I mean you can you can say whether it's good or bad but I that's how they're trying to correct the problem they're trying to be realistic like we need to get the relevancy again yeah they always will management's trust me they're acutely aware of this storyline and there are a little bit sensitive to it but the fact that they owned it in February I think is is progress got people's attention that gained respect for the way that they were building for the quote unquote culture that they were building all of that and then guys wanted to be there so it seems like that's where the Bulls are now because they were so overshadowed by their older siblings and yet day came away with the four biggest players of the summer and they did that by I forget this one's been lost to he rolled a grand piano into his hotel Sweden in Utah and the ninety eight finals to he wanted to work on maybe was like if we can be good competitive build a culture again look like a place guys WanNa play then the next time there that they have you did cover the tail end of the Michael Jordan you of course immediately demure when I brought this up earlier before we started taping that you were you were merely Sam Smith's under study and this was we can hear glorious playing in the background that newspapers so ruled the world that we had okay so terry armor was the guy as of that you know again we've seen that here in the city so it's it's it's interesting to see them pivot I would be remiss if I didn't ask you at some point in this podcast because I just doing the work by becoming respectable by just quietly going about their business and becoming respectable relevant doing things a certain way that getting one you know the clippers and nets might be in big markets but they are not the dominant teams at all in those markets often even looked at almost as they might as well have been small market team and the piano so that's the kind of stories I got the right is my bowel so yeah it was pretty fun and being around that team obviously you around so right a little bit my first year that said I did graduate from writing sidebars on Steve Kerr and Bill Wennington Jeb Bush Ler and Randy Brown ninety six to my mind appar Oh maybe it will be a destination yes nice connection I had made that yet I mean I I talked about the acknowledgement the public acknowledgement of management the Great Sam Smith the legend. So you're you're you're like the second guy on the Bulls for the Chicago Tribune the tail end of of the ordinary incorrect. No I'll tell you this this is actually lean in February but I hadn't made the connection to the clippers and that's and that's a good one so yeah I mean it's it's you can be in a big market in squander all the built in advantage Sam Smith was the NBA writer most Isaacson was the feature rattlers Skip Linski feature we had like six people around that the assignment in the one thousand nine hundred eight finals God bless you Dan Mcgrath a former sports editor the tribune right Michael Jordan every day whoa hey now and that was kind of fun visit of things like Hey we are in the game but they still didn't land him so that's obviously got to be the next step well and I think the lesson from this summer and it's glaring one and it's a really fast daily news was a cheap ass paper and so so so many ways okay the tribune was not a cheap paper in real quick and I don't WanNa bore listeners too much with the glory days the newspapers but this is a cool thing so I I covered the ninety six ninety seven ninety seasons so I was around but we that those that team was so big yeah there's there's an assignment and he thanks thanks to Michael he rolled a grand piano into his hotel room in Utah and off dating remember that story and they'll yeah so big team and as you know I mean you're kind of having one of those out of body experiences where you know the time I'm thirty and you know I know I'm covering eighty five training camp at Beloit College in Wisconsin a small division three Liberal Arts College I was a freshman playing basketball various nonetheless so favorite Michael Jordan story from back in the day and it doesn't have to be a story that was actually a story that you wrote I mean just favorite thing you saw so this is Michael Jordan's second year and I got to watch Michael Jordan and Quinton Daily and Orlando Woolridge and stand surfing around and then Quinn daily started talking some smack to Michael Jordan and Michael Jordan did not like that and Michael Jordan turned incredibly serious history right and journalists hopefully can have a moment where they step out and objectively go oh my gosh I'm covering one of the greatest teams and borderline angry and proceeded to destroy Quinton daily in that contest and subsequent shooting contests I'm assuming money was in line all right nick will just keep rolling I'll I'll I'll try to make it brief but I'm GonNa go pre journalism career this is a crazy story so the Chicago Bulls had their nineteen one moment I've written this in the Tribune There was one moment where after practice Quinton daily and Michael Jordan we have an a free throw shooting contest and it was kind of fun and lighthearted and just I was ninety seven ninety eight yeah but I but I didn't cover the finals because the daily news was too cheap to cover anything that didn't involve the Lakers did you just say that on a podcast just said that on a podcast and I will say

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LeBron vs. Zion, Giannis vs. 70, Road jersey etiquette

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LeBron vs. Zion, Giannis vs. 70, Road jersey etiquette

"What's up open for globe? This is Ben Golfer with the Washington Post. I am joined on the other line from Florida. Sunny Beautiful Florida by Michael Pena of espy nation. Michael you're just getting your hemingway on down there. What's going on man? Yeah that's exactly right just Got My toes in the sand out here in Santa Bella Island. My first time my My wife has been going here coming here. Ever since she was a little girl so She decided to finally Bring me along. And it's it's beautiful on Levin. How are the locals treating you because obviously they have heard about you Michael? She's been going their whole life. They've got the whole aura of Michael Pena. Have you been warmly received of? I'm warmly received wherever I go. I feel like I don't ruffle feathers. So I mean there's been lines and lines of autograph seekers but besides that it's been it's been good. That's good I warmly received wherever I go was one of those statements. That could go either way. It could absolutely be true and it could absolutely be false. We'll never know Michael. We've got a few things that just kind of catch up on from this week in the NBA. You know. Of course we had the big kind of showdown matchup between Lebron James Williamson here in Los Angeles. Which got a lot of hype? A lot of attention. They both play very well. Lebron had a season high. And I think he's I on his own as well. But we also had another showdown out east between the Milwaukee Bucks And the Toronto Raptors and needless to say Milwaukee handled its business. I mean worked. Toronto late in that game setting up all sorts of questions about all right. Well where's this going for them Does their barges continue to keep rising? So we're GONNA dig into both of those topics and then of course we're going to handle a bunch of hilarious emails that we got from the open floor. Globe and they emailed US Open floor. Male gmail.com open floor male edgy dot com. But let's start with Lebron versus I on just the absolute lowest possible hanging fruit. It's an orange tree for you out there in Florida Michael. What did you think of their showdown? What was your major takeaway from how they looked on the court? And and maybe even the post game interviews to Yeah I mean I was super pumped about this game as any NBA. Fan should be. And I mean my immediate takeaway. I have to And I'll just like tie them both to Lebron Zion. Which is what everyone wants to talk about I feel like Lebron's performance was just just epic I may and that was that was old school back to the basket bully ball. He had jrue holiday on him. Pretty much all four quarters and he got whatever he wanted on him. I mean he finished with forty obviously and he had the three ball going and he would punish the PELICANS defense whenever they would screw up a switch or they would they kept going under the screen on them which I mean he was probably not too impressed by but I just I love when Lebron is just I mean. Do you remember like years ago earlier in his career when I was like. Oh when Will Lebron get a post game? It's like we are so past that and like he was finishing with the laughed. He was finishing with the baby hooks drying fouls. I mean he had everything going and I felt pretty bad for jrue holiday by the end of it. So real quick my take on that is I mean this came twenty four hours after Diana Terachi arguably the greatest women's player of all time went on stage in front of millions of people and said he didn't have a turnaround jumper and I believe she was joking but she also just really zinged him and it was. I mean it opened my eyes when she said that Kinda using him as the punchline to say well John has got to turn around and Lebron barely has one. I felt like Lebron was like. Yeah that's like the cool Joe Diana but by the way. I have a turnaround jumper and I can deport. Whenever I want. And you're right to bring up the years of criticism of that part of his game. We should also look at this season. They've had a lot of struggles in clutch moments Where the offense just has not worked where Lebron spent out front you know and maybe tired legs heavy legs lading games. He's actually settled for three pointers off the dribble a lot earlier in the season and it really hasn't worked that well. There's a reason why everybody's going. Under his Co. the screens because he hasn't shot the three ball great especially in collect situations. So I do think it's part of a concerted effort from the Lakers. To rethink what. They're trying to do when they really need a bucket right when they really need somewhere else to go and I think that their conclusion as well. Let's put Lebron in the post. Especially if he's against an undersized defender and good things will happen. We saw it against Jaylen Brown on that Sunday night game against Boston were hit space. Like the the turnaround game winner and we see it over and over against drew holiday You know in that match up to one hundred percent agree with everything you just said. I mean pivoting. Real quick design on and his performance. I mean obviously he gets the line. Nineteen Times scores. Twenty nine points. I was just fascinated by how he there were sequences where he just bullied. Anthony Davis and the contrasting features. There are just so fascinating. One you have the second heaviest guy in the league super explosive. And then you have a guy who will probably win or finish second in defensive player of the year. Anthony Davis and I mean they guarded each other and I would say Zion got the better of ad on the night for the most part. And I mean there was one sequence where he was a Zion was a roll man and You know he just likes speed bursted past ad who had really good position as the roll man defender dropped coverage and he met him at the rim. And it didn't matter. Zion made the layup and had his fair share of Mrs in those confrontations. But it just goes to show like this is one of the best defenders in the world and everybody knows what Zion is going to do. He does not have the mid range jump shot besides his debut he's really match shooting three pointers at all and he still gets to the basket and finishes. It's it's so remarkable like once. He actually figures out how to play. He's going to be. Just such an unstoppable basketball player. I mean this is against Anthony Davis. It's insane no question. I mean it was kind of shades of that preseason matchup with Gobert right where. He's just like yeah. I mean I understand that your long really talented experienced and smart. But I'm going right at your chest. I'm trying to get to the rim every single time and good luck to you sir. You know what I mean. That's sort of his mentality at. All Times Zion. You mentioned him getting to the free. Throw line maybe. My favorite exchange of the whole game was he used that quick spin rip through move to beat Dwight Howard in back to back. Quick secession and the second time he did it as he was walking towards the baseline after getting the foul call for the second time in a row he just goes every time. He tells one of his teammates that I could hear him say that and I felt like a member of his family like every time to is sitting there like the third row. Because it's true like what was he supposed to do to stop them? It's not like he can Badgley become quicker and guests ions moves and I think when goes from zero to sixty in those bursts very unpredictable. Guys just aren't used to it yet. They don't know exactly which direction he's going to go and it's almost like slithery in his own way. I mean going back to the body types thing for him and Anthony Davis. Wouldn't you love to be there when the Taylor is taking their measurements for their pants? I mean they've got to be a lot different. You know they're not wearing the same size Let's put it that way. I mean they really are contrasting body types and that's what's so fun about watching zone in person and on TV too. I I really do think translates On television he moves in a different way and Everyone it's always all eyes on him. I mean I thought Lebron had all eyes on him to at times during that game when he was breaking out in transition or he was trying to go basically from the free throw line extended to the rim is just like everybody's kind of reduced to being gawkers at this point of his career. No speaking of Gawker so I watch that game. I'm down here in Florida with some family and my sister-in-law's boyfriend this year. And he's from the Netherlands and he has lived there his whole life like an hour south of Amsterdam and he knows absolutely nothing about the NBA. Like he barely knows who. Lebron is like go. If that's true just go ahead and keep talking trash about right now. Just lay it on thick boy. You're really throwing this poor guy under the bus in front of thousands thousands of listeners. Right now. No He's he's the best the best But so we're watching. I'm like I'm like sit down here. We have this like one hundred twenty inch gigantic. Tv In our hotel room here and so we'RE SITTING DOWN ON CARE. Watch where WE'RE WATCHING. Bucks Raptors. That wraps up. I'm explaining to him. Who Jaanus is Blah Blah Blah and? I'm like don't even worry about what just happened. That was all cool. But you're about to watch Zion Williamson like this is just a transcendent freak of nature. And I'm just watching him. Watch Zion and he's just like what is this is a human being. What is what is happening. I don't even understand. He's like this is the second heaviest guy in the league. How does he move like that? Like are they studying his body or scientists putting them in the lab like it was it was? It was really funny just to watch someone who has no idea. Even hooves I on his didn't know he existed and to respond the way he did. It's like how I respond but I'm familiar with Zion. If that makes any sense of I with you and Ev-. Every time I watch him. It's like those viral videos where they give the kids who. I can't see very well new glasses and all of a sudden they just like break out in tears because they can see again. That's me literally. Every time I watched I played basketball So and it's not just me like I was saying the players but the pre-game seen fifty plus people on the Baseline Waiting for Zion to basically go through like half speed warm-ups post-game probably the largest post game media contingent for a road team at a Lakers game. That I can remember. I mean I was basically sprinting. Michael Johnson to get from Lebrons post game back to because you know in that situation. It's like you can't choose right like you gotta try to do both Zions already taking his time with the post game apparently he works out after games because of course he works out after Games. And that's delaying everything for forty five minutes or so and yet people stayed around and asked a million. Lebron questions. This is one thing I want to dig into. Though Michael It ties into his Zions first matchup with honest where I thought the big takeaway from him was just a fearlessness factor. It was like yeah. If you're honest has the ball. I'M GONNA go rip out of his hands if Janas blocks be. I'm gonNA still challenge him. There's not really like an intimidation factor. Getting his feet. Wet factor at all about. It's sort of like yeah. I'm already here. I mean just kind of carries himself. He's a third or fourth year pro. Already it was pretty much the same deal with Lebron like. He was getting ask questions about Lebron. He was getting annoyed. Michael at one point. He started laughing when someone said. Hey is it. Surreal to share the core with Lebron made. It was almost like a reflexive laugh. Like come on like what's up with his disrespectful question like I'm an NBA player to like what do you mean? Surreal to share the court with him and he kept getting asked at one point. He's like look is he's an incredible player. I don't know what else do you want me to say. What aren't you getting about that right like and it's just different because most young is when they come into that media environment in La. Which for sure is very Lebron centric at this point right They just kissed the ring. They're ready for they've been prepared for about a PR guys. They have like one good answer they give it and they get out of the way and Zion didn't really seem to have any interest in kissing the ring when it came to Lebron and on your flipside Lebron was pretty brief in his compliments of Zion. Saying his game is a perfect fit for the modern style. He did call him explosive for his size. Which is like you know. Pretty much the most generic compliment. You can give Zion at this point but one of the standout moments came when a guy asked Lebron. You know basically have you guys ever met like have you ever had a sit down and talk and Lebron's kind of notorious or famous for mentoring a lot of these young players and Lebron's answer and I quote. I've never met him. I've never met him before. Never never had a conversation with him. Never met him before Michael. So if we're counting that up it's one two three four five in eleven clip and I'm just curious like if someone asked me about you and that was my answer publicly like how would you feel. How would you take that little weird right? I'm not reaching here too far. You know and I just to like wildly speculate about what's going on here behind the scenes. I wonder and maybe this is already public information that I'm unaware of but I do wonder if clutch made a run at him and he gave them the cold shoulder is that do you think that is a potential cause for this. I mean it's like I didn't see any of these post game press conferences or scrums or anything like that but judging by what you just said like. It seemed pretty cold and shivering. So like you know. I think that that's potentially cause for it. I think you're going down the right angle. I remember at all star weekend not this year but last year. Lebron was asked about Zion because he was really gaining a lot of momentum at two and Lebron really poured on the praise pretty thick saying that. He's all about the right things. He keeps the main thing. The main thing is basketball intelligent shines through on the court. I do believe there was some level of courtship. They were supposed to go to a game at one point and maybe they did actually go to a game and sit courtside to watch him. Zion wound up not signing with clutch. And I think it's an unavoidable series of events like it has to be mentioned because it's very strange but it also reminds me of is kind of how Janas has always kept a healthy distance from Lebron to like Kevin Kevin Durant. Lebron have been in commercials together. Draymond and Lebron obviously collect family. Mafia has brought them closer together in a lot of NBA players have appeared on the shop. You know Lebron's TV show. Where I think some older heads from like the eighties and nineties would be like what is happening. You know you're not supposed to be congregating with your enemies. Let alone like you know getting your haircut while drinking wine on national television. That's just you know crossing the line from a competitive standpoint but Jaanus has always been kind of old school about like. He turned down the space jam invite. He's basically says he never hangs out with guys you know during the summer and there's always been that healthy distance and I feel like Zion's kind of headed down that path to and I love it. I think it just adds to that fearlessness. Part that I'm describing. It's like look if I'm coming in here as a phenomenon on my own making you know he's already worth nine figures. I'm sure at least You know he's standing on his own too he doesn't necessarily need to be in this You Know Lebron extended family like a lot of young guys are. I think it's actually a really smart marketing. Move from Zaylon to just kind of be his own guy. You don't want to be in that shadow you don't want to constantly be compared to Lebron and that's going to be unavoidable. Just because they're both such physical presences and frankly. I love it. I want the beef. All right round two needs to be this Cold War that you're describing this frigid You know tension. Maybe that's let's exploded a little bit. Let's see what happens. Let's get number one versus number eight first-round series. Let's get a bunch of questions for both guys about the other and eventually somebody will snap right. Don't you think yeah? I have a few things. Also that I've been percolating in my mind since you passed along the outline and suggesting that we might have a new rivalry on her hands. I mean the the post game on TV interview. Lebron had with Chris Haynes You know he called him special to be fair. He did use that word and he did site which you also referenced. How Zion's game was perfect for track? Meet style of today's game and I kind of read that honestly as a backhanded compliment. You are really good in transition You don't have a jumper. We'll see how you do in the playoffs in a setting where you need. Half court skills Anybody anybody can score twenty-five today's NBA. What about my MBA was Lebron? Was Channeling a little bit of his own grumpy. Michael Jordan here Michael. Potentially there was that play where he waved away. Javale McGee screen and wanted to take Si- on one on one and isolated from the top of the key and the ended up. I believe hitting a three over the top which I mean. Sometimes Lebron will do something like that. And that's not super unusual for that situation but he did make a show of waving away the screen in a setting where he would normally just take it and go downhill and probably throw the LOB to travel and get the easy to so. I thought that that was also really interesting. And then real quick like I do wonder if there's an ad factor here like gives. Zion Saves Basketball in New Orleans and does what Anthony Davis could accomplish in his seven or eight years or however long it was down there as a Pelican you know obviously like ownership and the front office were different. And it's two different situations but like if Zion does what eighty doesn't like do you think at any level. This is Lebron kind of protecting his team. Mates probably feels or could potentially feel a little perturbed by what Zionist doing with. Anthony Davis could not. I'm not sure I think there was an angle. I think it's more like if you're Zion. Coming into the league gets a little bit awkward to have Anthony. Davis like shadow cast over your organization. You're kind of in this limbo right and so I think as actually more like resentment from the New Orleans. Pelicans inside of how that whole played out where like Lebron's basically just like plugging a star out of their team and like kind of leaving them in the dust. I think that's more of it rather than Lebron playing big brother because I do think that you know Davis is established enough. Where and they're going to be making a deep playoff run here and they're going to be getting plenty of attention and accolades like I don't really think he needs to feel threatened by Zairean at this moment now. Long term big picture That's a different story. I think it's a fair point. I'm just not sure that that. That's motivating lebron. I think you Kinda nail on the head in terms of what the other issues could be. I think for sure the representations side of things with clutch. But I also think it's this idea of okay. They're comparing Zion to me. But if you're Lebron you had incredible technique and feel and command of the game. Playmaking ability vision the comparisons to Magic Johnson. All of that stuff when you were younger than Zion right and I think that that's a layer of Lebron's game that frankly we may never see matched by anyone after him ever again right. I mean to conceive of a player who thinks the game and orchestrates the game as well as Lebron Coming along it's pretty mind blowing right. Even the guys that I seen their praises the Absolute Loudest Jaanus Zion. No chance they're never going to get to that level for that part of the game. So if I was Lebron and I was hearing Comparisons Tucson. That would actually really annoy me. I'd be like yeah. He's great in transition. Yes he's amazing dunker yes. He's huge and moves like crazy. But this guy is not on my level a lot of specific ways and it would actually probably genuinely bothered me If I was a competitive guy in that spot so I do think that that might be kind of the undertones here of this conversation but like you said earlier. We're just speculating. You know. We're just watching a brewing beef and trying to stoke the fire a little bit and see what develops but I absolutely encourage everybody in the open floor globe. Keep your eye on this one. It was weird. I was there for both interviews. Neither one went the way I thought it would. I thought Lebron was Kinda crown as the young king quote unquote and kind of give them thirty seconds generic praise. That would be that I thought Zion would come out and say Oh yeah. It was so cool to play against the broad here in staple center and he instead he was like. Yeah it's a nicer arena like Lebron incredible player. He just didn't want any part of it. And it Made Me Love Zion even more and it did make me think that Lebron might be entering debt. that late career. Mike Stage of just like all these young guys these whippersnappers and Both sides of it were fun. Yeah I'm hanging on the to the the clutch theory. That's 'cause I love blaming clutch for everything your man I hear you. 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And at this point they're seven and two against the Celtics. The Raptors the Lakers clippers and the sixers and I think those are the teams that we kind of entered the season. Saying all right if there's going to be a threat here for Milwaukee those are the teams I do think. We focused a lot on the two from that seven into this season because one of the two was that opening night loss to Boston or the early season loss to Boston which drove me crazy. 'cause they blew the the huge lead in the second half and the other one was the Christmas Day loss to Philadelphia obviously Where everything went wrong. Philly could have missed the shot and it looked like the sixers. We're going to win the title for about two and a half hours but seven into with those being the only two you know. That's that's an impressive body of work and obviously you know. Fifty eight speaks for itself. But when they're beating consistently in handily your top competition. I'm wondering if we just need to take this into like a boat race. Tampa conversation like are these guys about to go twelve to through the Eastern conference playoffs twelve and one through the eastern conference playoffs. Is All this hype about. Who's the biggest threat to Milwaukee basically hot air? I mean I don't know where do you come down on that one to get into a conversation about regular season versus the playoffs. I do think that what happens in. The playoffs is obviously very different. From what happens in the regular season in terms of I think the Milwaukee Bucks are you know? They don't play to their competition. They play to their own style and their own aesthetic and their own strategy like they have the system that they have where they dropped the big. They protect the pain at all costs. They they let you shoot a bunch of threes. But they'll try to take away the threes from the three point shooters that are capable on the opposing team. And that's a really good defensive recipe to have the best defense in the league. You you take away. The tough shots do not foul and you have like gigantic room protectors and a guy like Jaanus. Who can just do whatever you want him to do so. I think that that's interesting but like I do wonder about in the playoffs. Sometimes if bud will will he adjust to the rhythms of a certain playoff series? You know like well. He over extend the honest. Will he bench? Brook Lopez if he needs to switch instead of drop. Will he go small for an extended period of time? Will they really prioritize taking away the three ball instead of leading teams fire away? So I'm interested to see how that all plays out so I'm not ready to just be like I am impressed by the bucks but to just yeah. Yeah I hear. I hear you on that concern. I've just wondering is Jaanus Bud. Proof now like is Yana. So good and so dom in against some of these eastern conference teams. He's going to have to face that even bud can't screw this up like he did last year by not playing honest enough. Like I feel like the only adjustment Milwaukee needs to make is to not take John US out of the game for as long as they took him out during last year's playoffs he's only playing thirty one minutes night right now which is just absolutely obscene. His per thirty six stats right now. Thirty Five Sixteen and seven. So if we're saying Janas place forty minutes in the in the Games that matter in the postseason right like if you actually get deep into a series and you're playing adjustment game and it's like Oh my God what are we gonNa do. Nick nurse was brought out. This crazy wrinkle if you just play on. Us forty minutes a night. And he's averaging forty eighteen and nine in the forty minutes. Is that the solution here? I mean I've just kind of getting vibes where we're focusing on their one. Really bad week from last from last May against Toronto which was a horrible week. And we're kind of missing the forest through the trees which has been like for two years. They've been completely ridiculously dominant smoked basically everyone including everyone they face in the playoffs up to really bad week against Toronto Jaanus is not the same player. He was even at the start of last season. He's definitely ramped up from You know from a leadership. Standpoint experienced point offensive just efficiency or ruthlessness standpoint defensive intensity an awareness standpoint comfort with his teammate standpoint. Like I it feels to me like they're just a send it like it's like a stock market that's just going up and up and up and up and up and it doesn't mean they're going to win the whole title of -sarily but like when. I'm trying to compare them against Toronto. They play the other night or Boston. Who's lurking probably as the biggest threat to them. Given how tatum's playing or Philadelphia. I mean those teams. They just kind of feel like not even close. Is that too strong? I mean I would give those teams a chance. I wouldn't give Philadelphia chance but I would give the Celtics and the raptors a chance because I think anything can happen at seven game series when you're as talented as versatile as those teams are but I also just really want to quickly shut out. Chris Middleton and not short change him because I think he gets lost in a lot of these conversations about the box in their system and bud. And that's why they're great in the last twenty games. He's averaging twenty five point. Seven boards five assists. He's an above average versatile defender shooting fifty percent from the field fifty percent from the three point. Line Ninety one percent from the free throw line. I mean like how many players in the eastern conference can definitively say are better than Chris. Middleton right now not very many I would still have him on the NBA team I don't know who you have to knock off but I would have him on there for sure and I'm right there with you. It's been incredible because you know he comes off a summer where he gets the huge contract and kind of no shows at the Fiba World Cup and I was like. Oh boy this guy is gonNA be set up to become like the big punching bag of all time because now. He's got the huge money. He's not really that classic number two guy like this narrative of him being like underrated and underappreciated could flip really hard to. Oh this guy's overpaid and you know he's above and Blah Blah Blah. And instead he's like held all of that stuff off by playing awesome basketball but it goes back to them just getting more comfortable with what they WANNA do. You Know Bud knows. Chris Middleton Better Middleton knows their system better and exactly when he can step forward and do it. Jonathan Middleton have played together for a while now and they click quite well. And that's why I just feel like these guys are a buzzsaw man. Like I think that a lot of the propping up of their competition is kind of hot air. It's like people trying to fill time. You know what I mean like. I don't especially in the Eastern Conference. I'm not sure who takes him down the team that I keep coming back to when I think about this Milwaukee Bucks squad is crazy to compare them to like the ninety one bulls when Jordan filing gets over the hump like. Can you see shades of that where everyone's doubting doubting doubting you know? Detroit keeps handling them. It's like Oh this team can't do it then. He Georgia finally gets through to the finals. But then he's playing against magic. Who's won it before so there's just kind of like this thought in the back of some people's mind like oh well you know. Now he's got to get through another champion. And the Lakers are the Lakers and everything else and instead you know it's like Michael ascendant knocking everyone off in his way taking of business and finally getting Crown. I mean they're feels like nineteen ninety-one Mike Vibes to what this is doing this year. That's all I'm saying. No I totally feel that I mean I. I went back and tried to look at some basic statistics to compare them to some of the best teams of all time in the in the conversation of whether or not they can win seventy and just how dominant they are. I mean first of all from here on out there. Fifty eight they have the force easiest schedule for. The rest of the season was just doesn't seem fair They have three back to back. That's hilarious that's hilarious and I also feel like. They've made the hard parts of their schedule. Look easy to you. Know How many times they ever really get pressed or pusher like made uncomfortable. It's rare it happens like once a month one hundred percent and I mean part of that is just because like I said they. They don't play who their opponent is. They don't adjust like the raptors adjust based on who they're playing. The Celtics are just based on who they're playing like in just not one hundred percent game to game. But you know what I mean like the the stylistically what Milwaukee does. It doesn't matter who it could be the Harlem globetrotters the Washington generals. It wouldn't matter. They would play the exact same way but for the rest of the season. The bugs only have three back to backs left at Miami at Denver and home versus Atlanta. They play the Lakers in Los Angeles. They have the raptors two more times. The Celtics two more times and then they closed the season with four games against the nets. The Hawks and the cavs. So I'm just looking at that real quick and I don't WanNa bore our listeners but I just want to go back and make a historical comparison very quickly So I looked at basketball references. Simple rating system which is a metric that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule and all that there are only four teams in NBA history. That have ever finished above an eleven in that rating system. All four of them won the championship right now. The books are on pace to become the fifth team to finish above eleven and only the ninety six bulls finished with the higher winning percentage then the bucks currently have so like that is insane to me and everything I just said. It was critical about butt's inability to evolve. It's like sometimes it's just like who? Maybe that's just completely like as you said hot air like it might not even matter just like teams like this. This dumb Dunham dominant. It does not happen by accident or look. It could matter for sure because if they have to go. I mean if has to go against Kawhi in the finals. Buds are going to need to bring his game right. I mean that's a series. That Bud could absolutely lose for sure. I just think it gets a little overplayed too much when we're harping on these little negative criticisms here when you're describing a team that right now has the fourth best point differential in NBA history right better than the best. Golden State Warriors teams from a couple of years ago nearly on par with the ninety six bulls and not too far behind the seventy two. La LAKERS. I mean come on like this. And and if they were the Lakers. Imagine if the Lakers had that body of work right now you know with Lebron and how much hype would we be doing? Greatest cancel the season. Just cancel the season for sure. There would've been rings already handed out. There's no doubt we would've had a championship ring ceremony. Coming out of the All star break for the Lakers. So that's why I understand if you're a fan you're frustrated like you're getting short short shrift here and you're also kind of sitting there cackling laughing and being like yeah. Line these guys up. Let's run right through. I do think it's possible that they go like twelve through the eastern conference playoffs. I mean they're going to sweep the first round no problem if whoever they get in the second round. I could see that being a sweep as well. I mean maybe five games and then of course Eastern Conference finals. They're going to get someone good. They're going to have to do it on the road. There could be some tense moments there. But if I had to predict like over under right now for losses for Milwaukee through the first three rounds of the playoffs I would put it cumulatively at two point five and maybe that sounds a little aggressive for me but you know I'm okay. You're being on that island. That's the kind of faith I have in Jaanus. Now let me put you find her point on this. If you live in Milwaukee you guys need to commission a Billboard. Get it somewhere on. Coach buds ride to and from the Arena? So he has to see it and it just needs to say four zero MPG. That's right forty minutes per game. That is the benchmark we need for Janas in the crucial moments. We cannot have series slip away from Milwaukee because he's sitting on the bench and I understand. There's foul trouble involved. Sometimes you know. He can't control himself. And that is an issue. I think it's a major factor. There's also fatigue. He goes so hard even during the All Star Game. He wants so hard he asked out of the game at times but the fact of the matter is they have to change their approach on this stuff they have to let their best player decided and the other thing. I would say about coach but he better not screw up the seventy one thing either. Okay don't sit these guys for the last two weeks of the season. For no reason seventy is such a hallowed number in the NBA. And you're going to have such ridiculously easy first round matchup go forward sprint through the tape. Give Jaanus that seventy win. So he has it on his all time. You know resume. He might not care now but when you honest is forty or fifty looking back on his NBA career. That's an awful nice feather in his hat right so make sure he gets it. Take care of Business Milwaukee all right. I'm done lecturing Mike Boone. Noser when you said forty was like Ghana's probably going to win the MVP that season so surprised rhetoric probably GONNA lead the league in three point percentage. So yeah I don't think he's GonNa Looking back then. That's why self corrected to fifty on the flight. I made the same mistake. That you realized. Well let me get a prediction from you. I laid my now. I think they're going to get seventy and I think they're going to go through the postseason. Just what's your initial feelings on either one of those questions in terms of win. Total and what? The playoffs could look like and granted. It's not even March yet. So we're you know this is a little bloviating for me obviously but What what else is New Right? But where would how would you handicap does to Those two marks I would. I would be surprised. Honestly if they did not get to seventy I don't think that it would make a lot of sense honestly to bench. Jaanus down the stretch or or give. Chris Middleton rest or Eric bledsoe whoever you want to to sit. I think that their rhythm and Their intensity heading into the playoffs really matters. And I think it's also just like we all say that the regular season doesn't matter and this and that but like it's a humongous confidence boost. I I know that the warriors didn't win the championship when they won seventy three. But like if you win seventy you feel really good about yourself. You did something that basically you know. There are eighty two games every season for team. And it's happened like twice that the team has won over seventy games so it's it's an incredibly difficult mark to reach so I would be surprised if they did not get it just based on how. They've played against the competition throughout the regular season. As far as the playoffs goes I just. I do not want to write off entirely the Celtics or the raptors. I think both those teams are really good. I think that also a second round matchup potentially I know that the Miami Heat have been like awful recently. And they're kind of figuring things out with their new pieces. But I think they match up really well and really fascinating Lee against the Milwaukee Bucks and they also have a ton of three point shooters in a seven game series small sample size. You know if you can shoot the crap out of the ball like anything could happen and if the bucks play their style and they allow these three point shooters to get hot. Who knows so? I don't want I don't. I'm not predicting that the Miami will beat the bucks. But I just wanted to say that they're interesting to me and the Celtics without tatum has played recently. February averaging thirty points a game. That's Kinda just changes the complexion of their team and I love the raptors. I think that the the best coach team and they can do so many different things Thursday nights or two shifts at Tuesday night's loss now withstanding. I can't wait for the bucks. Just destroy all these teams are kind of trying to prop up here. Michael I cannot wait to see it. You know the initiated machine where they like when you're you know lining up deals and then they'll have the estimate of like. Oh this deal adds three wins. This deal nausea five. Wins IN THAT MEMPHIS IN MIAMI trade wind up like costing teams like five wins and we went back to use a tray machine on it. I'D BE MEMPHIS. Kinda FALLEN APART. Not just because of that Trade obviously but Miami to kind of hitting the skids. Funny how that works all right. We've got some great questions here. One of our. Mvp e-mailers Michael. His name is thaddeus. He likes to ride in essays and he puts a lot of thought into his takes and he wanted to basically say look. Is it time for Gary Harris to get a change of scenery this summer? Does he need a life? Preserver out of Denver is just working and he went through and named a bunch of other guys he thought needed life. Preservers of course Aaron Gordon. Who's probably needed to be saved from Orlando for like the last five years? He Puts Spencer Dinwiddie from the nets on his last Otto Porter. Jr. From the Bulls on his list and he has some other names as well. I'm curious first of all. I know you wrote on Gary Harris for espionage in this week just I like what is up with Gary Harris. And what do you think the implications are? I guess from his struggles for the nuggets this season. And then what could it mean? I guess for him heading into the summer like is it time for those to depart ways team employer. I mean it's going to be tough for the to part ways. Just because he's due. I think thirty nine million over the next two years guaranteed and that that was once like a really good interesting trade asset type of contract where he was kind of underpaid on it based on his skill set from two years ago and now it's like who wants that contract I mean Harris's battled a lot of injuries over the last two years. Two key parts of the body like your hips. Your hamstrings your your thighs. Like these are big parts of the body for a guy who needs to chase around shooters up screens. Who likes to run some pick and roll who needs his legs to get his three point shot going and play as physically as he does so I think injuries have been a factor but also like he's he's been playing big minutes like they're only Three players in the League right now. Who have who are averaging at least thirty minutes a night whatever. True shooting percentage below five hundred that's RJ Barrett Darius Garland and Gary Harris and. It's it's kind of stunning when I saw that stat as soon as you said R J Barrett. You just you go you know. Oh God you're in the category with that guy. Oh dear oh boy I mean but like two years ago when he was twenty three years old like he was. I don't know what your your expectations were of him. Or what you saw of him but he was just such a perfect piece for a budding young court like just he's three and d but he could also take it off the Bouncy at really nice athleticism. I mean really smooth. Three point stroke. He could defend multiple positions. He can still defend which is really nice and key a key part of Denver's defense going forward But like his usage is way down as touches away down. He just doesn't seem as confident as he once was. He's not hitting threes. It's really troublesome for them because they thought I mean I wrote my piece like on their drive towards You know the upper echelon of the league. It's like going one hundred miles an hour and then they just hit a pothole in that pothole. Is this ridiculous slump in decline and stagnation by Gary Harrison. Recover from something like that. Gary Harris is like a wheel. Well that's sparking. They're trying to drive down the street boy. Beautiful mental imagery for that. You asked about my expectations for Gary Harris earlier in his career he was starting to trend towards like skinny Bradley beal. Right I mean into a certain degree in terms of He can do multiple different things on offense. And then he's like you're saying saw it on defense. That didn't necessarily mean he was going to be an all-star especially in the western conference where it takes a lot more than that to be an all star but he was going to be very helpful and kind of core piece. I mean just to put like just basic numbers on it. You Go back to his age. Twenty three season in two thousand eighteen. He's averaging seventeen three and three basically shooting forty nine forty and eighty three and this year. He's averaging ten three and two shooting forty percent from the field thirty percent from on threes. And he's still hitting his free throws congratulations there so not good. I mean big time unexpected decline and I think some of that is you know contextual and situational because you're Yokich is eating up a lot more Just touches and everything else than he did maybe previously a couple years ago and they brought in some other pieces whether it's port or whoever else but still I mean like to have a guy you basically bleed almost half of his production away in two years when he's supposed to be entering is prime and just not being able to hit a shot for five months straight. It's not great and might be worse than a Pothole Michael. If you'RE DENVER. Are you ready to part with an asset to train them like how? How bad has this gotten? I think that might be overdoing it. I think you just kind of you bet on them. You Bet on him to figure out what's going on and you bet on him to adjust and turn it around and get healthy and feel better about himself but like the the good part of this for Denver. Is that you mentioned. Make Michael Porter Jr. like he's just kind of like this life raft. Who like if things get too off course like he will come and I think he has the feeling of being the second best player on this team and if that happens over the next two or three years then it won't really matter about Gary Harris? It'll be Yokich draw. Mary and Michael Porter Jr. And that's your big three and I mean that's just a really solid big three that the complement each other. They don't overlap too much so if they did not have Michael Porter junior then they would be in a lot of trouble right now. I think especially just you know you look at Paul Millsap to in his age situation in his contract situation They would need to change gears here. Pretty quickly Sure I it's a fascinating dilemma for their front office because we've talked about their patients before they exercised incredible patients and it's really paid off times but they were to patient to me with millsap in terms of his life cycle as a player. Like I think they're kind of hanging on to them. I would have tried to trade him at the deadline for something us that contract to maybe bring in another player and I don't know where they go with him going forward if you bring him back I mean. Hopefully you get them on a really good deal. How much can you really expect going forward from him? I think it's an open question and Puerto is going to become an issue at some point now with Harris again you're going to have the loyalty factor because you're the one who built him up in the first place right. This is his sixth season in Denver. You got all the credit for turning him into a big time player with that slow development in having your kind of clear cut back where the future between him and Murray. That was the picture right. But sometimes a picture doesn't come to fruition and if your Denver this summer it's like look you have to make a decision here like is this guy going to hold you back especially if he winds up. Kinda costing you the ability to win the playoffs this year. You could have to make a really tough decision on the guy who's done everything right. He's been friendly. His embraced the market. He's understood his role and taking a step back when he's needed to as other guys have kind of blossomed right. He's done it all the right way. Sometimes those are the toughest decisions right and not the guy who's a jerk about it asking for more playing time. I think it's always easy to trade dion waiters right very simple very very simple to have the meeting and say. I'M GONNA get out here much more difficult to trade Gary Harris and I'm wondering have they reached that point this summer. I mean to me. It's the these playoffs are the ultimatum in the referendum. You show up or you're gone. That's how I would look at it now from Thaddeus is list here. Michael of guys like Aaron Gordon Spencer. Dinwiddie Otto Porter Jr. people he wanted to give that life preserver to this summer. Did any of those names jump out to you or did you have any others you wanted to add in? I mean I agree with all of these except I like Otto Porter. Jr. Is Not opting out. I Got News Fair for thaddeus on that one But Yeah Aaron Gordon. You'll be great. If he finally left and he could kind of realize a different version of himself and utilize versatility defender at a more consequential environment. That would be good and then Spencer Dinwiddie. We've talked about this before like Spencer. Dinwiddie for Aaron Gordon swap would be really convenient for both sides. I think but the player who I kind of sprung into my head. The first time I read this question and who is in. Who's who should be like the president of the life preserver club. I'm already there with Aaron Fox like kings. Yeah I'm already there. The heaters your down in Florida. Unleashing some heaters on us. Michael You really want the kings depart with the best thing that they've got going for them. The kings fans are going to be irate. Michael did I one hundred percent but I'm looking at it from deer and foxes perspective like he plays for an embarrassing organization. That will win. Will the Kings not be embarrassing? Lord knows when he's averaging the quietest twenty seven of all time he's getting to the free throw line more than you did last year his usages up but his turnover rate is like. Forget about Luca. Like if you're Fox imagine watching the Memphis Grizzlies with djalmir aunt. Getting around pick and roll Jaren Jackson junior and being like I. Why can't I have that guy as my teammate like I would be so frustrated that should be him instead of instead like Marvin? Bagley is hurt all the time. And he's throwing lobster. Jabari Parker and Alex Len like he has a coach in Luke Walton. Who wants to play slow? Despite the fact that Fox might be the fastest player in the league with the ball but he healed is suddenly coming off the bench and their minutes are staggered which means despite all their success last season they are usually playing together. A ton and you know. The breakout seasons. That Ingram Booker and tatum Donovan. Mitchell had. I thought that that was going to be Fox. And he suffered an injury earlier in the year but since he's come back and been healthy he's looked terrific and no one cares so if I was the earned facts it'd be like get me out of here. I'm already sick of this boy years three and you're ready to run him out of town. Hasn't even completed the rookie deal. I think that he's going to need to exercise a little bit. More patience and restraint I think with the bagley factor. It's really tricky. Because the common answer I think from front office or from ownership to a player in Fox's situations feeling frustration is like look man like you're only twenty two Bagley is just getting his feet wet. Give him another year and see how it goes but I think the problem is from fifth perspective and just kind of like a skill set perspective even if Bagley healthy. It's GonNa look more fun offensively. But is that really going to translate to more victories right? I guess he's going to be able to find a position defensively and do the other things that you need to contribute to victories. Or is it going to wind up? Being where like they run pick and roll he dunks. You know fairly well and he gets his numbers. But it's all kind of popcorn stats and empty calories. And there's no movement into standings right. I think those are the kinds of things that I would be nervous about. If I was Fox I would be really nervous about if I was flawed because deep down some part of him has to understand that. That's that's the reality and you know any frustration. That's already simmering is going to boil over at some point the other thing that would really frustrate me if I was Fox is just the way. The body heal thing was handled right with the money hands. And we're GONNA take care this guy you know he comes in with this whole attitude and Bunny hills just off very good. I mean that's the problem and people got really excited about his three point shooting numbers and I understand that. But there's more to the game than that. He's not contributing to victories. Really in any meaningful way. He's creating these weird kind power dynamics or conflicting interests with guys like. Bogdanovich where okay. What's your pecking order? Look like how do people stay happy and everything else and as a point guard? It's tricky because what you would want from a player in Fox's position he used to have that force personality where you kind of rally everyone behind you keep them all in line and say hey. This is going to be how it is. But he's so young and those guys are older than him and it's been such a dysfunctional environment a losing environment for so long. That's asking an awful lot of any twenty two year point guard to be able to pull that off right so I get what you mean. I'm not sure that the life preserver is coming for Fox. I would you know. I think that he'll be the last one to go there. Basically like I could see the coach front office and basically every single other person on that roster moved or fired before they part with the air at Fox. At least I hope that's how they approach the situation. Yeah I wanted to use one. Hundred percent agree with all that but I just wanted to use this time in this space to say that I see you dear and Fox. Your great you're awesome. I love watching you play and I feel your pain. I understand what's happening. We've got a couple of other lighthearted questions here. Mike. Let's get into it. It's sumo when Ottawa rights. And he says I'm with you. Ben I want Zion. I want it all the time. He's must see TV. That's that's pretty personal there. Sumo good for you He's the last time I was in this infatuated on an athlete won a certain Moody Baseball Player in San Francisco whose body and head swelled up like the incredible hulk when he was flicking home. Runs out at a ridiculous rate. So I think he's comparing Zaylon Barry Bonds here he said fortunately I believe. Our new hoke is all natural then. He writes if Zion was kidnapped and held for ransom which of Zion's benefactors W- should the kidnappers call for us to ensure top dollar and the quickest cleanest transaction? Would it be Nike Adam? Silver his agent or the owner of the PELICANS. They all have a lot to lose if God forbid the human torpedo happens to disappear so Michael. Do you have any nominations on these ion gets kidnapped? How do we save him front? Who Do you think the kidnapper should call first to really extort the maximum price and leverage? So this is a really dark question. I think that the PELICANS ownership would be like the first answer that people would come to but the owner of a team always has the option of selling the team for like a billion dollars and just walking away. So I don't necessarily think that in this case I would call the owner. I think it's Adam silver honestly and like when I look at it from the League's perspectives. Ion Isn't just a once in a twenty year span type of talent but he's like incredibly fun to watch and you do not need to be a die hard basketball fan or even understand the to appreciate what he does on the court like. I told that anecdote earlier about watching the game with someone who doesn't know anything about basketball and he could not take his eyes off the screen. So that's a sign of absolute greatness and players like this. Do not come along. Forget about once in twenty years like we've never ever ever seen anything like SI- on In his prime the league should be even more popular because of him than it is right now and right now. It's very popular despite declining television ratings. So like I think that he's critical. Figure going forward in terms of carrying the torch. There's a lot of really talented young players but in terms of CA- carrying the torch when Lebron hangs up for good like Zion's going to be the face of basketball. I think you know. I think like Luca will be there. And there's some other names to throw out there but Zion is going to be at the forefront and so if you lose him you lose a ton just a ton of marketability. Yeah I know I mean it's a billion dollar proposition here not to make this all about myself but I think the kidnapper should call me When I read this question Michael I was picturing myself in one of those like twenty four style. Tv shows are like You know those heart racing thrilling type movies where like the main character is just constantly sprinting through public places like trying to like get things done. It's sad to say there's an admit this publicly but I'm not sure that there's anything I wouldn't do. I mean Jack. Bauer would be a fair comparison for my approach to savings. I I if I needed to go to the NBA League office personally. Like hector out of silver to get him saved by the kidnappers if I needed to like coal together you know. Venture capitalists money or You know sneaker money to try to make this deal done if I had to go. Deep into some unknown jungle and negotiate with guys with machetes. Now for the future of this. This kid's career. I'm pretty sure I would do all of it and not think twice so I would recommend that the kidnappers call me all right Michael. We've got another question. This one's about you Ross. Writes in Michael's been a fabulous addition to open floor because he provides conflicting opinions. He had been always get after it. That's nice of roster notice he goes on to say I wanNA thing Michael for kindly offering his opinions on. Recent locked on sons podcast. He was both kind and insightful. He says we know. Ben Frequently joined the locked on family podcasts. So can we expect Ben? Gulliver appearance on the lockdown sons. Podcast first of all Ross. Doubt I'm going to get invited pretty much. The number one critic of Devon Bunker and eight at this point not sure that that invitations going to be extended but Michael. I wanted to ask you this. I mean I was blown away by this question. First of all very nice for us to say this. How were you possibly kind? And Insightful. On a suns podcast like is that. Just your optimistic nature. You're always bragging about or can you walk us through that guest appearance and how you were able to strike such an uplifting tone about this team. I don't WanNa step on a story. I'M GONNA be ready next week. But it is pretty rosy about the Phoenix Suns going forward and I've been meaning to bring this up with you. Ben offline Deandra eight and looks really good and like defensively. He's making strides on a game to game basis. So I mean like I. I'm going to spend the question back towards you like do you think that your after his season debut this season. Do you think that motivated the Andrea and to be the best he could possibly be. Wow you're you're giving me the credit for the sons turnaround. This is great brilliant brilliant podcast co hosting work from you. I thought you were about to rub it in my face and say hey eighty AIDS proven you wrong. But you're actually you're gonNA give me the the inspirational credit look. Needless to say I need to see a little bit more From Dot de Ondre and before. I'm going to get too excited. But there has been promising signs of development but I didn't want zoom back a year because there was this long intense argument that I with Suns fans they were death writing me and all this stuff over Devon Booker and my basic argument was like look. This guy has to do more from a leadership in a Defense Perspective. If it's going to translate to wins just period. That's what has to happen. He has to do those things consistently. He has to emerge as a lock room leadership. Figure down there. If they're ever GONNA get pulled out of this muck I mean you're not gonna be able to make the owner better. The coaches are going to probably be cycling and they got a good one Imani Williams. The Front Office is going to be cycling. And it's inexperienced right now. Those are major challenges. The only the only way or the smoothest way for this thing to turn is for booker to really step up and be that guy and they absolutely hated hearing that screamed at me about it forever and you look at the standings twenty four thirty five thirteenth place in the Western Conference in what has been an absolute down here for the western conference with Golden State Portland Minnesota San Antonio all incredibly disappointing relative to expectations. So I'm just going to repeat what I said twelve months ago and I'm not GonNa get invited on the lockdown sons podcast and that's fine. It's not been good. Enough is not been good enough from their best player. So congratulations that. He backed into the all star spot. personally I probably would have rewarded job rant for Memphis winning you know prior to the All star break but he still needs to do more. This is still on his shoulders. If you are going to really truly turn this thing around if falls back on your best player. And that's Devon Booker. And you know that's my take Michael. Probably not the kind rosie optimism that we're going to be seeing from your column on Espionage. Dot Com. I have seen some stats. That say they're new. Starting lineup has been just phenomenally efficient and dominating but I still need to see more ice. That's where I'm at. Yeah that starting lineup has been great You know I I throw it to you to basically let you redeem yourself a little bit and you just go in on Devon Booker like on like. I don't even know what's wrong with you to be honest with you. I liked the things that he does well and this is what always gets lost. People don't WanNa hear the heat in the criticism. How many years in a row are they going to lose? They went out and built a team around him with older veteran. Guys who were host to help stabilize and just kind of be You know cog fillers and it worked for about three weeks and everybody got really excited and then it completely fell to pieces in part because of injuries but injuries happen and everyone just went back to making excuses. And that just frustrates me. Captain Accountability Has got his underwear in a twist. Okay that's all I can say Our last question here comes in from manny all right Michael and Manny says. I have a dilemma and I need your help. I'm going on a business trip to Philadelphia and I thought I should catch sixers game while I was in town. I'm a heat fan but my team won't be playing in the game that I would be attending. Should I still read my squad regardless by wearing a Miami Vice Jersey to the sixers game or should I sell out and buy some sixers merchandise and comply with the social norms while avoiding heckling? I'm looking forward to your response. And he signs it a trouble heat fan so by common dilemma. That people face. Where do you come down on wearing? Just unrelated jerseys or apparel to sporting events and then can you advise manny on whether he should sort of cross his enemy lines. And get some sixers gear. If you have to ask this question. Are you. Sure your heat fan. I mean that's that's just how I WANNA start my. Wow and you're you're coming me for going at Devon Booker. You're killing our guy. Manny come on Michael now I mean. Shut out to you man. I appreciate the question but like it's a no brainer. You never wear an opposing team's outfitter jerseys t shirts jerseys or whatever to their game just to appease their fans I mean. That's the whole point of Phantom. You're supposed to rep your hood so under absolutely no circumstances would I ever do that. I don't care where I am just a blend into enemy territory. I mean if I were you manny. I would buy a brand new Jimmy Butler Miami Heat Vice T shirt Jersey and I would wear that instead then that that's like what you gotta do. That's that's that's like the A. Plus move in my opinion. You're going full. Troll bowed in Philadelphia with all those guys who throw batteries at Santa Claus. That's your game. I don't think this is good advice at all manning. Okay I'm going to go the other direction here first of all. It's okay to be Switzerland in certain situations right. You don't you don't necessarily have to always wrap your team and you definitely don't need to cross the line in rep somebody else's team so. I think it's okay to go neutral to a basketball game personally. It bothers me when people wear completely unrelated jerseys to sporting events now if there is a reason for it like if you're wearing like a cavalier's Lebron Jersey or like a High School Jersey of a player who happens to be in that game and it's not strictly one of those two teams that's playing. I'm cool with that. I'm actually fine with that. But if it's just a random Jersey because you're a fan I don't know it just seems a little bit awkward and weird if feels like you're a tourist and you don't really know what you're doing. You're you're kind of like in that. Khaki Shorts Club of like hey. I met the Eiffel Tower wearing khaki shorts. I look like a Dork. That sort of just how I feel when I see people doing that so I would resist the temptation to where the teachers but I would also complete echo. What Michael Said? Do not. Just grab a Philadelphia. Seventy sixers Jersey for no reason if you have a rooting interest now. I will say this when I go on my wind concert tours and I go watch you know great sporting teams across the country whenever I get the chance to do that might be Alabama football You know whoever it might be as long as I don't have like a strict rivalry against those teams. I do like to collect souvenirs or jerseys A lot of time the main thing I collect magnets from everywhere I go and and people who have been longtime listeners know that but I don't mind grabbing t shirt or grabbing jersey. As long as I don't feel like I'm going to be a sellout when I wear it and most of the time I get home and I never wear it again so it's usually just kind of a waste of money and manny. I would warn you about that if you buy Embiid Jersey first of all. He's probably getting traded in July. And second of all you're never gonNA wear the Jersey in south beach unless he gets traded to Miami and then you're going to get a Miami Vice MP Jersey and you're gonNA feel way better about it. So I would say protect your wallet. Do not invest in the sixers stuff. Consider just going neutral to this game and by all means protect yourself from the philly fanatics do not situation where an old guy is giving you double fingers and throwing a battery at your head because you thought it would be cool to Rep. You're very awesome Miami Vice Jersey. It's just not worth it. It's not worth it. Michael I have a close real quickly I guess. On a personal story I have Tending Wells Fargo Center. When I was in college I wore a ray Allen t shirt when he was on the Boston Celtics there. It was a Celtic sixers. Game Ray Allen hit a game winning corner three and That Jersey was almost ripped off my body. So I'm I'm I'm backing up. I'm putting my money where my mouth is with this advice like I did it. So can you many? Wow you're saying man up manny ready to risk your life at risk it all for your squad. That's an incredible story Michael. I'm glad you're here to tell it. Frankly I was worried that you were going to die halfway through that story. Needless to say we've come to the end of another episode of open floor guys. Check US out on Apple podcasts by searching for open floor. That's two words. When you find our page scroll down it will say rate and review tap five stars. It's just that easy to help us. Spread the word Michael was on instagram and twitter. At Michael Visit Victor. I'm on Instagram at Van. Dot Gov or on twitter at Bengal or go to my twitter page sign up for my Washington Post newsletter It is so appreciated. That so many of you guys have done that Thank you so much. Hey Michael until next week when I presume you're going to be back from Florida with all sorts of takes an ready to get back into the grind. I'll talk to you.

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Hour 3: The GOAT

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Hour 3: The GOAT

"Spain and fifths Bom. And by the way, I did ask you guys what Jeff passan's breaking news should be. We're not going to go with pass gas. No. We're not passing Gary idea, though, keep them coming bombs two of them. They're they're more like small explosions account it. The bulls sounds like the cooling gun crushed until you're willing me need to make a graphic of the coolest guy with. Space polls. Otto porter jR, to the bulls for Bobby Portis and Jabari Parker. That includes a twenty twenty three second round pick to the wizard also Houston Cleveland, Sacramento three way deal sending Amman Shumpert to the rockers rockets. Alex bucks? Sorry outs. Wow. I'm really leaking out. Brandin knight. He's Chris protected. I to Cavs. All right. Let's let someone else talk because I'm can't shell Pennzoil performance. I'm literally good at reading. I don't know. What happened? I think I blame pits. Let's go to voice. Sixers reporter Kyle new back on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Kyle talk, can you know, I'm going to get it together this bomb that went overnight about the Sixers clippers deal. Let me ask you. If the initial reaction there is and brand is making moves we love this. Or this is a big risk in case a bunch of these dudes don't wanna come back. First of all, I just want to say that I think the sound effects are what the shocked that you there, especially definitely. Because that's that's why the bombs. No. But I think this is look there's probably some truth to both sides of the explanations. You'll get to this trade. The Sixers have been trying to build this as we really want to build like a super team a being four guys which big three's or hard to put together big fours or even even harder to put together and the maintain their going into this hand. Look these are the four guys we're going to go to war with we're gonna do this. We're going to do that. I do think the subtext there is that look Jimmy Butler walk this summer or one of these guys could walk this summer. Now, they're sort of protected against that happening Tobias Harris with is a great fit next to both of drum beat him. Ben simmons. He's a credible third option next to those guys. And if Jimmy Butler is a guy that they look at and they say and his attitude doesn't fit here his his age time. We don't wanna pan that much money. This gives them an out a younger guy. A great score a good complement to their two young stars. I think it was a good pickup whose game has helped the most by Tobise harasses arrival. Who's at hamper who does it hamper the most? So I think Jimmy Butler will probably be hurt by the most simply because this is going to take the ball out of his hands more. I think look number one. This is Joel embiid's team. So everything's going to continue to run through him. I think Joel is going to benefit from the spacing that the bio towers will provide it puts another guy on the floor that Tobias can switch you can play some defense you can guard basically the the three and the four that's going to help them in a playoff series. So that makes him be life easier on defense. I think that's great. I think it helps them on offense Butler is going to be the guy that he's not going to have the ball in his hands as much because he's gonna have to share with Harris on the perimeter. Now, who's they run some of the same stuff pick and roll isolation's. And I don't know how he's going to respond to that. Now. Maybe he takes this as a challenge to say, I'm going to be Jimmy Butler lockdown league defender, and he really buys. Into that. That's the way that this team is going to win. These guys are all going to have to make little sacrifices here, and there and commit themselves and the way that they can best out this team Spain fit sarahspain and Jason Goth filling in for Fitz on ESPN radio talking to Philly voice. Sixers reporter Kyle new back. This team now has one of the best starting five in the league. But they still need to figure out their bench. Their depth is still an issue to you expect moves at the trade deadline, you expect trying to pick up maybe teams after they've been a players after they've been waved. Bye bye bought out. What do you expect? I still can't. I think it's gonna. Maybe a little bit of column B, Sarah. I think so I think the obvious name on the trade market you, and I talked about him before is Marco, folks. Now that they're in a situation where they're really going for it. I don't think they have a ton of use to have a player around that. They really don't know who Marquel is going to be. So I would look to I believe whoa, JR. Has already reported on this. I would look teams like Atlanta that they're in a rebuilding situation. A team like Orlando where they're looking for a point guard of the future. There are some wings on those teams that can help out right now that would those be trade targets. I I would look at us up potential Martell deal where they can get help right now. I would also say I think Wesley Matthews who was traded to the Knicks as part of the porzingas field. They have interesting if he gets bought out they're interested in Wayne Ellington, who I don't believe he's been the fishery bought out yet as part of that Phoenix street the happened earlier. But. He's a Philadelphia native. He's a shooter who can replace some of what Landry Shamet did send him out the way and that Paris deal. So I think they're going to be very active over the next twenty four hours or so and then once the dust settles on the deadline. They had the mid level exception that they can offer anybody who's on the buyout market. That'll be a really valuable selling point to these guys who are looking to to compete in the playoffs for years. Brett Brown was taught of his the guy who was really good coach, but was being dealt a bad hand until all those plays came to fruition. Now, it seems as if a lot of players are being put on him, and you now have to make something of it. How much is he Elton brands guy, and how is Elton brand maybe trying to force the hand to figure out if he is the guy to go forward. So I think they're going to have to give Brett until at least next season with all this stuff. There's obviously a lot of pressure to win now. But to add a star like Jimmy Butler midseason, and then do it again with Harris as the trade deadline there. It's just not realistically they're not going to be able to be the best version of the team. They wanna be by the time the playoffs or over this year. There's they're going to need to get used to each other settle into a rotation. I think the biggest thing that they have to figure out and Brad is going to be instrumental in this is how do we all coexist? Just as people let alone us players like it's not an easy thing to do that. These guys that Tobias Sarasota case, it'd be an all star this year Jimmy Butler, bene- time all-star, Ben Simmons is the first time all star this year. Joel Embiid is starting in the all star game. All of them are going to have to come together and say we are collectively going to compete for title. But that's going to take maybe Joel take unless shots to me handling the ball last Ben handling the ball. So I think Brad's rolled there is just as important as any accident owes stuff, and he's always been the relationship guy the locker room guys part of how they all stuck together. During the darkest years of the rebuild. But I agree with you. I think this is probably breath Brown's biggest tax yet. And we'll see how that impacts him in relationship. I know as a right now, Brenton communicate constantly and have a very good working relationship. I feel really confident that a team with Joel Embiid Jimmy Butler, and Ben Simmons who have never had any issues and our drama free. We'll be able to selflessly make the right decisions in past help a team. It's Sarah Spain and Jason gov. We're talking to Kyle new back on the shell Pennzoil performance line. We were talking about are sort of power rankings for the east. Now, the Sixers despite having this already great lineup are currently fifth in the east. And I wonder what you think this move does for your opinion on exactly where they sit in terms of the best teams in the east. So I'll cop out a little bit and say that I wanna see what the rest of the moves are that they make here. I certainly think their starting five like we have. Even mentioned JJ Radic's name yet. He's a really really good player. Really good shooter. That's gonna put pressure on defenses. All all the defense. You're going to tell towards Philadelphia stars. And then you have one of the best shooters in the history of the NBA on the other side of the floor. That's a very dangerous weapon for this season. So he he should not be discounted. And all this. I would defer right now too. I name a walkie has proven at least to this point in season. That are the current best team in the east. They deserve that respect. I think the honest has been on like a totally different level this year brook. Lopez was a huge pickup for them to have blood. So that Middleton, I think I know everybody in Philadelphia has been concerned with the Celtics because of the way they lost them last year and Toronto certainly deserves the respect that's the way they've kicked. Philadelphia's bought a lot of this year. I still think just based on what we've seen this year that Milwaukee should be that team that's respected as the. The threat to get out of the east. But look, I think the Sixers have the talent the top end talent to get there. And and be that team that goes to the finals the question is if ten they coalesce before the end of the year, and can they get those one or two deaf guys that they need to really fill out this rotation. Kyle. You're always giving us the good scoop. Appreciate your time. Thanks for having me guys count new back. The Philly voice. ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. With more than thirty unique coverage options available progressive knows small business. Learn more at progressivecommercial dot com straight ahead, art, Brian. Was potentially going to get a job and the public spoke up. It didn't happen and yet somebody decided to still stick their neck out for them. We'll tell you who it was. And what that person said next pain and Fitz. Spain and Fitz Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the SPN Eappen Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Gough Gough filling in for fits for a couple of weeks while fits hangs out with Golic and wingo and trae hangs out in Hawaii. Damn go. I think I did with you get to hang out with me next to me. That's right next to it's right. Golick. Probably say something totally different. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts. I mentioned this yesterday when I was doing solo Spain for ninety minutes, but glad to have someone to bounce off on this. I feel like you'll agree with me, but our Brian's name floated once again for a potential job. And this is usually what happens when somebody has been shamed. Due to controversy due to in his case, basically aiding abetting at the very least, you know, fostering, a culture apologizing for rape and assisting. Those escaping any credibility for it. We see their name pop up here and there and here and there and the public reacts the team pulls back the public wrecks. The team bulls back until eventually the public is not as enraged anymore or they've. Lost track of it. Or they've given their all in the figure it's all handled. And then that team sides it's worth it. And so what we saw was southern miss was they decided it wasn't worth it. The outrage was clear, but instead of merely accepting and the head coach of of southern miss Hopson. I forget his first name right now. Jay Hopson, it is decided to post this. Although I respect the decision of Dr Rodney Bennett, I disagree with it. I am so grateful for the grace and forgiveness. God gives me which allows me to inherit his kingdom, which I do not deserve. I have interviewed art browse for an assistant position at southern miss. And I believe he's a man who deserves a second chance. He's a man that seems sincere and humble in his interview and personally committed no crime he may not have acted in the proper protocol. But that would be my job at southern miss. He was interviewing for an assistant position. Even though I believe will be a head coach at a major program in the near future. However, I believe he's a man who does love the Lord and deserves a second chance he has been banned from employment in college football for three years and has been punished. I understand. On both sides have opinions. This is just mine. God bless Jay Hopson will lose four religious mentions in there, we we like to thank him for for having the time in the class to put it on his iphone notes and screen shotting. Right. And throwing it out only the most professional in Syria is I'm dealing with someone who is a rape apologist. So we're talking about twenty some odd players involved in fifty two months, fifty two alleged sexual assaults and over five gang rapes. And this is the message that you're coming out with guess what he doesn't have to work for you. And your university said that this little bit too much heat. He still hot is still hot. Because people still care. You know, why people still care because you are telling victims that it doesn't matter football still football. Whether it be the Dallas Cowboys, the CFL other other people that have taken this the scratch and sniff test on all our brows, and we're in the cancel culture. Right. We're we're trying to figure out who gets cancel why you cancel people who deserve second chances. Well, you don't have to be the person who give somebody a second chance. Somebody else can do it. If you feel any kind of way about it. You know, it's kind of like hall of fame, you know, hall of fame slam dunks. If I if I have any trepidation, maybe maybe removal and even in the Lord. And the Lord into it as many times like come on man, right blueprint stuff. Right. And we saw that at liberty Witter. You know, there have been a number of people related to this Baylor program who have gotten jobs at places, including places like liberty that purport themselves to be held up by these religious, beliefs and standards. I think it's disgusting to use God's grace to excuse something as self serving as wanting to make your football program better. He's not saying he's not saying forgive him. And let him figure out his way in life. You saying forgive him immediately before he's done anything to deserve it because I'd like to have him on my pro yards. Yes. Offense of innovator my offense sputtered, right? And I'd like to really care if I'm putting him around student athletes in a position once again that he has not earned an I believe never will earn. Again. I do not think he is ever deserving of working in a school environment at any level ever. Again. I don't care whether you think second chance means a second chance at the exact same job. That's not how I see it. You don't get to have another job where you have the opportunity to be a rape obstructionist, not to mention the other institutional failures which included potentially not testing for drugs. You know, dealing with police in ways that you were trying to get people out of things beyond just rape and sexual assault. There was enough there for you to say this person shouldn't be near our program. This person is not a leader. This person is not someone that's going to benefit our players or anybody else on campus. So if we're going to keep holding up this idea that amateurism and student athletes, and what they're learning and leaders of young men, you cannot do that. While simultaneously. Emel Tena sleaze saying, let's hurry up and get past this forgiveness stuff. So we can get him back out there coaching football. I don't believe in infallible, infallible institutions. Right. So I feel like football is as crept up to that line crossed that line hopped on that line jumped on that line several times in the last I don't know how many years, and this just happens to be another one of those stories, whereas like football people understand and the the insulated nature of coaches, sometimes where they're thinking about football so much, and they know football matters a lot. So I can get away with this look at what happened with Jordan McNair in Maryland where they thought that having a few months off for DJ Durkan was good enough. And then they talked to people in their ivory towers, not knowing what's going on with the commoners underneath in the moment. They said he was coming back. People are like, wait a minute. Now kid the kid died. What are we doing here because the amount of and football, actually, Nabil's it, right? These institutions protect the people who are doing these acts because the expense. Of the institution is more important to them than morality, I want to quickly mention cancel culture. I understand that it can be a problem now because people rush to judgment on things without all the facts, but I will say so much of what people react to in quote, unquote, cancelled culture is the idea that generational long ingrained, misogyny and racism that was never called up before finally is and people aren't comfortable with them being called out. They wanted it to be like it was before. And so it's easier to just say, oh don't jumped so quickly to end someone's career. No, sometimes you deserve to have your career ended for the things you've done and art browse is one of them that was straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G L T networks also an quick update on the Tonio Brown story that we mentioned yesterday, which is to say that allegedly. The report is is that he pushed the mother of his child and she fell and sustained some minor injuries. And this was a dispute over payment back for the child's haircut Hines ward. Was actually on the wheel show today and had this to say about how Steelers can't keep anything in house. Maybe sometimes get the better route because yes, he's a competitor. Sometimes I think the me attitude or the me stats kind of takes over the team or takes over him. And at least a situations. And I just think great talent. No question about it. I just sometimes some of those things like that needs to be kept in house. Lou ever the leader is a leadership there. They just do a poor job of kinda keep it in house. They always they're out there. And that's the reason why you see some of the distraction that exists. I mean, I agrees to try to keep it in house. But if you aren't injured and don't shop the final game of the year. That's probably gonna get out. It's probably going to get out because you've got people doing their jobs on on a beat it when we look at. Why receivers you talking about the culture to get paid catches touchdowns really matter? And the fact that juju Smith Schuster got voted MVP of that team the other factors that are playing in here. How Levy on bell? Was handled by teammates, not just the front office. Like, there's a lot of things going on in Pittsburgh. But in the end, you knew this when you decided Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown of the options, pay Tonio Brown. You knew you kinda knew Ryan Clark study, you knew what was going to happen when he got money. And now you're seeing the drama continues. It'll be interesting to see just how this works out with Antonio Brown coming up Spain and Fitz Jason Goff Fillon and Tom Brady may be the goat. But don't call him that to his face. We'll explain next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio Spain and fits it. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the SPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Jason Goss filling in for fits for a couple of weeks. You can follow him at Jason one Gough. And you know, when you like, I meet somebody, and let's say, you invite them to let's say your house, and maybe it's the first time, you hang out, and they try to just stick with like nice polite things because you know, you've invited them into your house like our first segment. Yeah. Jason golf's not like that comes some. My show. And he immediately says no I want to talk about oh Brady on Jimmy was stray hand, and my opinion is right. Let's talk about something that we totally disagree about because I wanna yell at you and yours. The very first day. That's the reason that I'm reading from a transcript, okay? My one hundred percent when she got point for that. No, no, I'm into this. But I think we do disagree about this. But so Tom Brady was on GM may talking to Michael Strahan. And he had this to say about being called the goat. A lot of people myself included, call you the goat greatest of all time. Cringely? They either really it makes me cringe. I guess I'd take compliments worse than I take. I wish you would say your trash or tool UT slow. You can't get it done. No more. And I'd say thank you very much. Criticism more than you're driven by success. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Give your take. So I can disprove it. You know, there's no. Poise fast question. And then slamming me and taking a jury before my house. It's not do that. Actually, we rented house right now, by the way, because we my house, and it's never been your house already SPN one of your house from where I'm matriculated from where? All right. So false humility to me is worse than arrogance. And I do not believe a word of what Tom Brady is saying because behind the scenes when it leaks out that he walks into locker rooms after the AFC championship screaming, I'm a bad mode and all this other stuff. That's not the same Tom Brady. We get when we when we see the the, you know, the properly presented documentaries and the good Morning America. And of us. That's not Tom the time that we see is the miked up. Tom who told his team in the fourth quarter eight fellows, I'm not gonna make another mistake out here. So let's all join. Oh, yeah. Up about to be mentioned hall of fame talk. So. Mistake. So people can make bad thoughts about me. Tom Brady is not that dude. I think Tom Brady is the dude who gets my up and loses himself in his emotions. I think Tom Brady is the dude who headbutts his offense of Lima who talks crazy to co corners. He's burning out there. Tom Brady is that guy. So the whole the go talk is making me crazy that ain't you Tom guy. Who's really mad? He'd never been patriot of the week. You who who's kept a chip on his shoulder his sixth round he is. But they're on the coffee table for everyone who admire every single season. Putting it. Okay. I agree with you that he doesn't have a ton of self confidence. And that he does believe in himself, and that's a little bit belied by this. And all that makes me cringe. You know, you just hit on the point that I think is more important. You said he has this chip on his shoulder from being drafted so late. And all that. I mean, I think the point that he gets to is the one that matters not the that makes me cringe because there are people who even if they think they're awesome. They're uncomfortable with comments. I'm amazing when someone complimentary right to my face, and I'm like. Yeah. No. No, no. That's not right. Even though I'm like, you're right. I mean, amazing. But no, the more important part is when he says I over here. It's right. I wish you would say your trash. You're too old. You're too slow. You can't get it done anymore. Because I think there are people especially people who have achieved the kind of greatness that he have that require that to to find motivation and immediately when I heard that it brought me back to Michael Jordan's hall of fame speech. A lot of people disagree with me on this. This is not just me being STAN this is me believing that because of the knowledge that I have of Jordan, and because of the knowledge that I brought into watching that speech. I understood that he had a thesis that if he had been a better speaker, he would've reiterated more often. So that people understood his point this was this is how I stayed hungry. This is how I continued to care. This is how I stayed the best. I never let down because I always found a way to believe that somebody was wrong me. I always found a way to believe that someone didn't think I was good enough. That's really hard to do when you are the. Best when you are Tom Brady or Michael Jordan to dig within yourself somewhere and say, I still need a motivation when you're already the greatest is really hard. And that's Jordan was trying to say and people read it the wrong way the exact same thing that drove him for his entire career. And that we lauded him for we hated when it came out in a speech because he didn't say it the right way for us to get it. I think that's what Tom saying maybe the cliche of like, oh, it makes me cringe too much. But he's telling you, this is why have to invent stuff? Look you. Go said we sucked because otherwise he can't make himself into eleven pushes them to eat the diet that he has to eat, you know. Void on the night chain, strawberries, front Kobe. Oh, the weird hugs and all the stuff that was tainted the documentaries. The definitely the hugs part of the dialogue. But lemme Russ here come on a road here. The problem that I have is those guys behind closed doors where it's in their theater room or whether you're in the sauna, whatever those guys are the most not only the most driven. But those guys know how good they are. And they they that goat talk. They have with themselves. Yeah. Because there's there's a certain amount of ego. You know in any industry when you get to the top of it. There's a certain amount of eagle that you have to have that you have to project, and you know, it was like Mohammed Ali, I told myself, I was greatest even before I knew I was like that kind of odd Tom Brady, I think has that. So when we get the golly, gee whiz. Hey, what would Tom Brady say what do you say that you would agree with if if someone said right to your face? I'm calling you go. You're the best of all time. What what is isn't appropriate answer? What should Tom Brady responding to you for me? Yeah. You damn right. I am. That's why I'm playing three more years over. Well. I'm not worried about going over world authenticity you, Dan. Right A m that's why plan three more years. So I can I'm not only winning more Super Bowls than anyone has been to. I'm going to obliterate it. And if you want to talk to that crazy, Jordan seven eight Super Bowls later, you can highlight me in a sport that people respect more than basketball in this country. Mic drop. Go get yourself a Chick-fil-A sandwich. That's how he thinks. I think whatever he wants in his I don't know. I was thinking. I mean, that's the other thing too. He hasn't eaten something that tasted good in years. That's like is it worth it like like the all the Super Bowl, and you know. Breadwinner? Thank you so much. I appreciate you have to be the breadwinner trip through. So you got it. A little bit later on her own little buffet that would be that's going to be Mazlan ago. Yeah. Join versus fat Brady. Yeah. Yeah. Just let it go. Brave. Mom jeans. Yeah. He's got his on like a really big para sweatpants, giant gut. Right. Spady Jason Goss home with my head. I all right. Good to know. Boy firm hanging onto the hair in that scenario, though. Phoenix curlers sport, I will say the part where you said he stays grounded because he was described as a late bloomer, and he struggled than whatever he says he holds it still deep within himself. And and that could be true because I do think people's adolescence, and they're coming up years very much can affect them going forward. But it's kind of like how nobody knows how to correctly use the word humbling have you ever noticed people win in a ward. And they're like this is so humbling. No, no, no. It's actually the opposite of humbling. If you said, I'm hosting a show with I don't know. I don't know Mike francesa, if you think that he's. Yeah. Me perfect. Great example. But no, you're you're thinking, you are humping shit every time that happens. I live behind the Kool-Aid bandit running wall koolade man with we'll just face. If if you are truly humbled it's because of somebody else's greatness that you're in the presence of you're not humbled by your own greatness. Everyone misuses that look in the mirror like. Look in a mirror like me. Yeah. This is humbling. How beautiful I am. So for Tom. I guess like I don't know if I buy that like going from that to the greatest ever is really actually something that keeps you grounded wouldn't it? Instead make you be like how amazing am I I wasn't even given this natural greatness from day. One I earned it. That's what I think he thinks though, right? Thinks full of what is what you're saying. Yes. Yes. There's a certain amount of money where you have to be phoney. And and this is this approach to life. I think like I think like a mill and a half after that you like just your Bank account turns you into a phony person where you started laughing at things you'll want to laugh at San yesterday things you own assay say yes to like a certain amount of money where people are like. Oh, yeah. He's phony. But we love him. And I, you know, somewhere around seven hundred fifty grand you can still stay a little bit. And you got you got a lot of phony people working at the big old mothership here, then with one eight hundred flowers dot com. Valentine's is no brainer. They have the best bouquets deals around like the eighteenth stem, enchanted rose medley for twenty nine ninety nine or double at two thirty six stems for twenty bucks. More to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com. Click the radio icon and enter code Spain coming up the Pacers handed LeBron the worst loss of his career while Pacers fans let LeBron's teammates have it to next on Spain and Fitz Spain and Fitz. Yeah. An ugly loss ugly. Not just in terms of the final score is the Lakers dropped to the Ola depot. Less back to back playing Pacers. But also ugly in terms of optics says LeBron James's chilling on the bench three seats down from anybody else. Rondo sitting in a fancy instead of sitting by them, and the fans are chanting. Lebron's going to trade you unless you're javale McGee tree dancing not worth trading about just gotta champion. Man is a champion. Shape. PM shocked in a fool Zambian ship. He didn't deserve Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the SPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain Jason Goth villain in for fans on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. We'll get back to that Laker stuff in one second. I wanna pay off the pull from earlier poodle. We we got a handful of teams with very long Super Bowl droughts. We figure the chiefs at forty nine years likely to be the one who's drought will come to an end the soon as we asked which the thirsty squads most likely to make it to the Super Bowl next. Thirst. Fifty two percent say the Browns will snap their fifty three year streak. Thirty eight percent say the Vikings forty two years. Six percents say the jets fifty years and a lowly four percent believed that the lions will finally make a Super Bowl after fifty three years and that four percent is crazy or employed by the line. That's that's that's odd. To me that the Vikings are ahead of the jets when the jets think they have drafted their quarterback. I think there's just more belief that the Vikings have gone. Closer more often in the Vikings are not as just inept the jets. Always leave you feeling like it's just never going to happen. Even at a quarterback. Right. That's true. Well, we'll find out. We'll find. Well. We will see which is something. My program director told me on day. One is not something you say on radio because it's not a good take. Really? We'll see it isn't. It's not a good take. It's to be fair. We'll is no opinion. That's the problem. Too many radio times program the talking out of you know, you're just sitting there talking chopping it up say we'll see because you're trying to transition to another topic. I was pointing my laptop. John henry. You just try to find a transition backs able. All right. So speaking transitioning, we asked you Jeff passan when he breaks news. He doesn't have a name like a wo- dumb. Now. He's part of the mothership. We need a name. Here's some of the better ones passing it on a pass in project pass blow Shen adjust jolt, the assassin. That's got to be careful with that one passing and gas Hassen fancy a pass in pew pew. Pew finger guns. Listening to this show right now who's listening passing blast a passed ball. What's first of all, by the way, has nothing to do with the bomb? So you don't have to make an thing. The christ. Now, see fasten. Like, the fast SAS Enator is why you have to be careful with. How? Just call them. No, like, mega Tron Menelik passage. No, all right. So you can read it aloud like it's great, by the way, all these people. You know, a little love out here. We're just giving us subpar nice to the listeners, by the way, it depended on what team you root for whether or not you think it's better to always be bad. I e the Browns the lions or to be good enough to compete like the chiefs. But never quite get there. Depended on some team said, oh, it's worse. It's more heartbreaking. And some people said, of course, you want to at least be in contention. I think there were more people leaning towards at least there's excitement of contending. Even if it doesn't pay Girardi get your heart broken in life five times or be single for the rest of your life and date and have a good time better to have loved and lost than never. And never understand the person that that that said that and they went to their death bed. Very very sad. Yeah. Too bad. Just bring things down. The. That's not a would we get? We got a brand the us and all of a sudden Iraq. I'm trying to help moun- brand acknowledgement. All right. Let's get to this Laker stuff because what lodge and last night and watching especially the breakdown as people like to do the Xs and os chalkboard of the of the sidelines for the Lakers as no one wanted to come anywhere near LeBron. It was pruder film like DVR dating far mad at him. Bad like, what's happening? How does this bundling through the shoe? Oh my goodness. What movie was I'm gonna get you sucker with with a the and breaks through the shoe that lost. I never seen it. I know about I've never seen bull Durham. We don't even get to start it on by the way won't Twitter New Orleans DM. Del Dem's has had no communication today. With lakers. President Magic Johnson L A's. Most recent trade offer for Anthony Davis, Lakers, running low on hope that the pelicans will engage them before. Thursday's three PM trade deadline. We talked about it earlier. I mean, are you of the opinion that the Lakers need to do something? Now because these young stars are salty about their names being floated or do you think they can say them? Listen, it's Anthony Davis or have to understand it didn't work out. Let's go out there and contend Jason Tatum. Even said, he's like, yeah. I don't understand his Anthony Davis. The problem is you're finding out what she got characterize ain't a lot. I thought you meant talent wise, I'm talking about who's gonna pout who's going to be upset who's gonna lose by forty two. Right. Who's gonna stop trying who's not going to sit next by the way in terms of career moves not sitting next to LeBron probably one of the best ones. Think about the people. She ate yourself doesn't work out. I might not be in the next one. If you convince them that you around out the NBA set out to say west like on the inside. See this is why I wasn't gonna say that I was just going for saying that playing meaning things and all the things I smell girls and women in sports day. Gloria how you doing? But no seriously being next. Lebron is probably the thing that you want. What did every kid who didn't play a lot on? What did they do on the bench? I don't know you tell me word I'm gonna play they're dropping dumbs really Jade and give me some more colloquialism sense. You don't feel comfortable saying what what else is spitting bars with you? No, I use those terms. Comfortable. She's got the Q tip shirt on like Ali drove five dog at all those things. But the kids like me used to stay close to the coats and look at them like I'm ready to go in when you had to learn that trick Joe Passover just always been. Just always been so hard, ma'am. Ma'am, established that we don't need to, you know, go back to your credentials as you should be sitting on. Why would you sit far away from the Bronx? So you could be like, oh, yeah. I don't like Brandon Lee problem where he plays the problem that you have really well, then you're a piece that needs to be traded away. If you don't play well at all you are not in the good graces of LeBron you're not in the future of the team. And so they're kind of stuck. Here's what Brandon Ingram said about being up at the line and getting the LeBron's going to trade you champ. Still manfully throws. I mean, I've been through in her worse way worsening data mine while life. Meanwhile, the bra, and if you're not a cold blooded assassin who cares not for the whims and wants and desires of others would normally care and be awkward when asked about this. But here's what he said about the chanting fans being fans, if you let that by the inner all sport fans are going to be fans, I've heard it all been in rival games pretty much my whole life because that's the plan ball so two things. I've heard is a way worse than than than that. So listen up butter cups. I'm not gonna feel sorry for you suck it up butter stuff. Let's no seriously though, and check your temperature. Thank you so much for the half-baked reference. I got a point check your temperature. If you're Lakers player, you know, you can't be gallivanting around town and now winning for five years, and all of a sudden expect to be in the good graces after. Go out him didn't win. Hey, speaking of an instant win this show was one golfing are back tomorrow. Let you know who's going where in the NBA, Freddie and Fitz Simons next coming up on Freddie and Fitz Simons like the NBA, Philadelphia seventy six straight shows. 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HR 3: What are the expectations for the Lakers?

Mason & Ireland

41:33 min | 2 months ago

HR 3: What are the expectations for the Lakers?

"I three o'clock growl. Yeah the big so john. You're just no contest you say it was a walkover travis. Rodgers just crushed you on the course travis would have beaten most pga pros. I think oh. By the way speaking of pga pros were given away. What is it lindsay. One hundred dollar. Roger done gift card. Yeah half hour yet. Travis was i think travis he played the best i've ever seen him and i've played them a lot. Even if i would've played my best. I don't think i beat him. Which by the way leads me into this. Ucla story okay. That's that ucla. I can't believe you guys don't think. Ucla played. I think about as good as they can play they did. They came up short. You guys say you rather lost by twenty. It makes me so much. He's so much easier to lose. No add love the way. Ucla play can't wait to see him out there again. Next year loved the fan. I totally get it as a fan. Who a fantastic game to watch. But i really had no rooting interest. I mean i'm not a huge. Ucla fan. I don't root for ucla so to me. It was just a basketball game as a basketball game is wildly entertaining. As as a player. I would rather be blown out than than lose to play your best all the time. If you win you win you gotta you gotta try to have it both ways because you throw away the golf event saying i have no chance. I'm you were you were. Ucla and he was gonzaga. Travis was gonzaga you were. Ucla don't you think that was easier than than losing close. No i wish. I would've taken travis to the eighteen th hole. I just wasn't good enough. I think you always wanna play your best no matter what and by the way. That's the great thing about when i play you. I'm giving you fifty three strokes c. Three strokes all you care about is staying within that window. Yeah you know you don't want if you lose you don't wanna lose you want me to you. Don't want to shoot one hundred ninety. I really need a good good golf pro for lessons on the west side. Okay there you golf. Pro for lessons sherpa. You'll hear from people now email me. Venice mace at gmail.com john. What's your email address. Venice mace at g. Mail dot com excellent excellent Eight seven seven ten. Espn the lakers. And bring them up. Yeah just just said something. All yes you said something on That was unfair tease. What did you say you said. That the The lakers just generated no offense. Well it's true they since. Lebron has been out only scored over one hundred three times right but one of those times was friday when they won in sacramento by score. One hundred twenty points. I think if they hit threes they can score the reason. I think it's unfair. Is that take the two best players off of any team. Take a wide leonard. Paul george off the clippers. Yep is that team going to score. No take joel. Embiid ben simmons off the sixers. That team's gonna lose. These aren't the lakers. These are the guys trying to hold it down until lebron ad come back. And what makes that difficult. Mace is this week the schedule tomorrow. They play the raptors in tampa the raptors playing their home games in tampa. The raptors beat the warriors by fifty three points on friday night so toronto's capable of really running it up then after that it gets almost impossible. They they play toronto. Then they play at miami on thursday at brooklyn on saturday. Miami made it to the finals last year. And that team is just revving up. Brooklyn's the best team in the nba. After that the knicks and then they go to charlotte yup before they come home on the fifteen charlotte lamelo is gone for the game. But you gotta be patient this week. If you're a laker fan you gotta hang on. And don't let go the rope. But i mean there could be some ugly losses here until we guys back but when we do. I think the lakers are right back to where they need to be enough a one of the favorites to win the title. You say if they make threes there shooting over the last ten thirty one percent from three right but on friday night they showed they're capable of going off. They meet fifty percent of their threes and they blew them out so they gotta never going to be mistaken for a good three point. Three point shooting team. Well it depends. I mean last year in the playoffs. They couldn't miss. That's one of the main reasons they won the title. They got hot but part of is all these things are related when lebron there they draw double teams and they get better. Looks so without those guys. You don't get a lotta open shots. Yeah yeah deadlines. You wonder if rob's going to go out and try and get a shooter with that other roster spot. I think we're waiting to see who else may be out. I mean the guys that get rumored all the time or avery bradley who stuck in houston right now and otto porter jr. who stuck in orlando two guys. That are good. Three and three and d players. Did you see that Damian jones through the lakers signed to a couple of days and they really liked. They just didn't resign them because they were thinking they were going to get. Andre drummond happened a deeming jones. Sign with the kings today. Now that's gonna he's gonna get a shot and sacramento good for good for him. Yeah i mean. I think generally it's hard to. It's hard to watch the games only because mean these will be tough games to watch now. Toronto i think is a winnable game. The next one is the most winnable kyle. Lowry is probably not gonna play. But he wasn't playing the other night when they destroyed the warriors by the way that was one of the most one sided games in nba history. At one point. They led by like sixty five points. I don't know what's happening with the warriors but they are. I think they will. I think i think draymond green said it best. I'm not motivated to go for the tenth seed. Michael was really surprised by that. He thought he thought that was bordering on insubordination. They did he did. Michael did yeah. He likes draymond but he said you can't have one of your best players coming out and saying that and what why was surprised he said it was. Let's say they got into the plane tournament. Let's say were the ten. They could curry a game. They could curry a winner to and you'll need to win two games than to get into a seven game series and get whacked by houston get whacked by by utah. I we sure you ties that a sweep you. Titles golden state utah and five. Kerr may curry curry a game. But i mean i do. I do understand to some degree. What he's saying after winning especially after winning championships. It's probably hard to get up to be the ten seed for a playoff spot to be the to the once. It's just he's being paid. You know he's one of their highest paid players and of your highest paid players. Come out and say. I'm not really into it this year year. Imagine if you were. i did that. We went out came out and said. Espn we're not really into it this year. Well we'll we'll circle the wagons again knicks you. We're gonna mail it in this year. Yeah it's just a bad look so do you think they are mailing it in. I think draymond thinks are mainly. I mean you lose. By how many fifty fifty three. Yeah to and not by the way not to the nets correct to a raptors team without kyle lowry. They just got boat race because they didn't play his hardest. Toronto did yeah so so next. Let's do the next five toronto miami brooklyn new york charlotte ready. Yep upset win in toronto tomorrow. A call that a win shocked the heat on thursday. They beat them last year. The biggest shocking win of the season saturday night on national. Tv against brooklyn us case. Oh my god goes on his first forty point gained forty point game again lynn. Yeah then they go into new york to take on the knicks and the knicks. You can never underestimate the knicks. But because it's the big stage it's madison square garden. That's where mark saul makes his. Hey game not even do. Not even markelle solid this conversation at charlotte. i think that You know that they're going to want to put on a show in front of a michael jordan and that's where the great caruso has his best game of the year five and Yeah boy you are just pipedream. And they lose four out of five and that they're going to steal one perhaps wrong in any way. Don't let go the rope if you're a laker fans. Don't hang onto the rope people because bond pulling if we add the. Wouldn't you agree if we had lebron for these games. Instead of being the underdog in all five we'd be the favourite and maybe not in brooklyn four of the five favorite for the five. That's how much difference those two guys but yeah no no question. I code next. What is your biggest cultural blindspot. I've been asking that question for a while and we're finally going to be able to get to it next and standing by right now with a look at traffic who has no cultural blind spots by. What do you think five this week. Shock the world lakers lindsay lizzy. Start laughing i you know. I'm i'm optimistic. So i'm gonna go five or no like you. John real quick. I was thinking about you on saturday. I was thinking about you saturday morning. I was thinking about you again saturday night. Wow you've got glad. I left this kind of a minute. Wait a minute what are you. What are you saying for the golf us. Travis about during that shot because i thought you and my nephew cody who also as a ucla graduate. And i knew. I honestly tell you i was not even mad. They be that good and put on such a great show. I thought you know what. I ever all the time i invested in. Ucla this year was totally worth it. Love that team everybody coming back. If juzeng doesn't turn pro and mazing y'all be right back there next year. I love this. And that's the best attitude had. They weren't intimidated and they gave me the best game i've ever seen so hopefully you had a great weekend other than those two things. Hey in stop thinking about john. No i think about you all the time to steve mason and john ireland as donor in achieve. That's awesome by california. Sober is what i am john. California silver you know what that means. I have no idea means. I don't drink but i anything also fair game. I'd have very you know it's yesterday was one of those days where i lost all self respect or had no self respect to star with Early afternoon started blazing By five o'clock domino's was at the house including those Cinnamon things you dip in. The icing had no so. That's how i know. I have no self respect. It's one. I ordered domino's cinnamon things that you dip in. The icing are so good. What are you talking. They're like little roles right as the little cinnamon rolls like the pizza dough is baked up into like a role that sounds fattening. And dip it into the icing. You're making like your own little baby cinnabon. The best the best domino's desert though is the chocolate cake. Thousand percent yup. What about the brownies. They've got brownies to and lots of ways to go wrong. Lots of ways to domino's all right. So i wanted to bring this up now. You saw godzilla ireland. I'm assuming you have not seen guns. You are suing correct lindsay. Did you watch it now yet. Ok tedi list so. I thought it was really good by the way also this weekend. Watch jeez judas in black messiah which is absolutely fantastic. Daniel columbia and lakeith stanfield both amazing and that. The story of fred hampton But in the meantime godzilla. I will not give away the ending. I will not say who won the fight even though there was a winter where i would say. There's a clear winner when you. I don't know there's just keep it that way. Okay i say there's a cleaner but they talked to one of the stars of that. Is millie bobby brown who she is. Yeah seventeen years old. She's the star of stranger things and now she's got guts delivers his kong. Now she says she has never watched a marvel. movie will has grown twenty two point five six billion worldwide. she has never watched star. Wars movie generated ten point. Three billion worldwide net watched a harry potter movie has done seven point seven billion dollars worldwide. She seventeen she's in the movie business. Isn't it weird that she hasn't seen the biggest hits no because i haven't either. I've never seen a marvel movie but she's seventeen. But i've had more time to watch than her. I only watched the first six star wars movies. So i haven't watched any of the modern star wars movies mesa. I've never seen harry potter movie. I've never seen a lord of the rings movie this sign with you. I'm with you ireland. The only thing out of all those. I've seen it star wars. i've never seen. I've never watched a watched. One marvel movie remember which one it was. But i haven't watched any lord of the rings or harry potter either. Billy mac will go to buy. Buddy bill mcdonald lakers. Tv will go wait in line day. A star wars movie opens so he can be the first one to see it. I'm the same with marvel. I've never seen harry potter movie. I have to admit i've never. That's a cultural blind spot for me. I've never seen harry potter movie. But i love. I love the marvel universe. I love the star wars universe. I love the dc universe even watched justice league the new version a couple of weeks ago but biggest cultural blindspot. Now that those those are her. She hasn't seen marvel star wars or harry potter john. Aside from those do you have another cultural blindspot. Yes video games. I have in this house. A ps four anna we. I've never played a video game on either one of them other than that thing you can do on the we've which is a sports game where you can play baseball and play tennis and play. That's the only one i've ever done. I just never mace. I'm i was video games. Got really huge right. After i got out of college and after that everyone younger than me started down the video game thing and i've just never to me. It's a complete cultural blindspot. It's a multi billion dollar industry. Like guys like freddie prinz are basically professional gamers right there on twitch gaming and their bs at the same complete cultural blind spot. You could ask me like. I know there is a call of duty. I've never played it. I know there is a grand theft auto. I've never played it. That's it for me. Video games total cultural blindspot. So i do have a ps four. I haven't gotten the. Ps five and call. The duty is a game. That i went through a streak on where i played it an awful lot and got i think decent but i culture cultural blindspot absolutely video games. Aside from call of duty are in their mind. Biggest one is the office. I've never seen an episode of chuck's because the office is brilliant. Mean it is really. There's a couple of episodes of the office. I remember one time. I was on a plane and lisa and i were flying someplace. Yep and i was watching an episode of the office. Where steve carell admitted he likes to wake up to the smell of bacon in the morning so he put a george foreman grill on the floor next to his bed and when he woke up in the middle of the night he stepped on the george foreman grill and burned his foot thought his foot needed to be amputated. He thought he needed an mri. He thought it was like what happens. After that. i was laughing so hard on the plane. I couldn't stop. Yeah and lisa goes. You're embarrassing yourself. I said i cannot stop laughing literally doubled over for twenty minutes. I had deposit. I tears coming onto my is there episodes of the office that are so frigging good. Just the relationship between jim and white alone would make yeah for a month. Yeah just i. I never watched an episode of it. I know i should. I that you'd love it so lindsay we. We're talking air about ryen russillo right. I like ryan a lot the the most the strangest take. I've ever heard out of anybody on the radio. Ever is ryan convinced that pam on that show jenna fischer is evil. He said she's a bad person and pam. It's like the the sweetest. Right i never recieve says. It's all an act. And he has we gotta get him on one day but mason. Maybe after you've watched some of the office yes just convinced that. She had an ulterior motive in the evil and he and he really believes it. and i've heard him on other shows like try and explain it. And i it's like the most backward take of all time the office fantastic. That's interesting you've never seen horror. You've seen the office right. I have not no really my fourteen year. Old brother is a huge fan. He's fourteen he loves it. Is there some great care. He's got a cultural blanchett. She'd never seen caddyshack. I've seen it like enough to like. I've seen some of the jokes and stuff like i've never sat down and watched it recently. But i remember like my dad watching it when i was younger. So i've seen it on before. But i actually ever go back and watch the godfather like we prescribe base. I've watched all three of them in the past two weeks. Like you know what i see. I've told you this before. When i see the godfather i can't not stop on it right and so for whatever reason i've caught one two and last night caught three and watched probably ninety percent of three is very under. I mean three is not as on the level of the other two but three is very very good and by the way if they would have cast it someone other than sofia coppola in that role it would also killed it. Yes she drags it but other than that. It's it's it's not bad at all. I was surprised like joe. Montana's great that. Oh joe montana's fantastic zaza. How about andy garcia great in that poor. Hey what did you anime are. You guys are into like anime either. I can't no. I can't i don't get it i. I don't know it's not my thing. There's always those women dressed up like bunnies conventions we used to across the street ear inn. And you see all these guys and girls dressed up and so i don't get crazy costume if you lined up like the best costumes from anime and said ireland. What are those from. I'd be over five. I mean it's cool. I like the costumes the way they look is just you know one of those seems little kooky any i mean i. I'm not a. I'm not a judgmental guy. But they're weird. Come going next for you. What are the lakers expectations. And aren't we giving away a hundred dollar gift card to get away a hundred dollar gift card to Roger done golf shops pillars week. Yeah philip the phones. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn i've come up with a somewhat. Une google game. Okay we will give away a one hundred dollar gift card to somebody on the phones next all right mason ireland seventeen. Espn and you know. The old saying john nolan outfits golfers better than roger done golf utilizing cutting edge fitting technology. A analyze your swing in their foresight launch monitors and fit you with the perfect club. Shoes latest golf apparel golf bags. More goto roger done golf shops for a complete fitting today. That's what they always say john. Well you're going to have to buy golf clothes for the big golf event. Come up all go close. i don't care about. Where am i normal. Jeans and hoodie okay. I like it the a okay. So we're giving away one hundred dollars gift card to roger den gift shops. Do we have a four callers on the line. Mace we do as a matter of fact. Let me know when you're ready okay. Okay we're going to start with gio in highland park gio you're seventeen. Espn what's up man. What's up fellas. Harry doing good golfer. No but i like watching golf. And so you'll take one hundred you'll take one hundred dollar gift card and Go get some swag okay. Okay good so geo here it is. If you take the pga tour's all time. Earning lists three guys who have made the most money and who have won. The master's are tiger woods. Phil mickelson and dustin johnson if you had the combined career earnings of those three former masters champs how much does it total. The one hint. I'll give you. go it's over one hundred and fifty million. Take a shot okay. It is Tiger has to have like over the four seven five fifty five fifty million five hundred and fifty million. Okay all right. And who's next frank. Fullerton frank you're on seventeen. Espn monday happy. Monday combined earnings if you add them up of tiger woods phil mickelson dustin johnson. It's more than one hundred and fifty million. How much three six nine. Three three six. Nine million harry and irvine harry. You're on seven ten. Espn what's up man. What's up man. How are you guys. Good harry how you doing to combined. Earnings of tiger fill in dustin johnson. How much let let let let's go. Seven hundred million. Seven hundred million. All right and last stop is kevin camarillo kevin. What's up man with guys money time listener first-time caller and love golf looking for a new set iron excellent. What's help get you there. Kevin combined career earnings of tiger woods phil mickelson and dustin johnson. I'm going to go with four hundred twenty million dollars for mason. Oh four hundred twenty million. It is a magic number. But i have a feeling everybody went way over but the guy who is the closest is frank who just from and sixty nine million the combined total earnings is two hundred eighty four million four hundred forty six thousand eight hundred seventy five so two hundred almost two hundred and eighty five million total if you combine those three and so there is your standalone frank. Frank and we'll get you a yes and swing by roger. done golf. shops get custom fit today. Shop online worldwide golf shops dot com and lindsay texan during this game and said her guests is one point five billion so she was just a little outside. I was considering like sponsorships. And all that new playing golf yeah lindsay. One point five billion crackers on the list if you did factor in their sponsorships be more than one. Sponsorships tiger might be one point five billion by himself. Fresh diesel thank thank snoops. So row quicker lakers are going on the road now for a five game road trip. Starting tomorrow on day are in florida to take on the toronto raptors and frank vogel after yesterday's lost to the clippers talked about the upcoming road games be throughout. That's what it comes down to. We'll do our work will compete and see what happened in this game breakdown. A film improved from it and put together a plan to be directors gigamon games on. Here's coups on the upcoming five game road trip. I mean we just got back to what we did back. Those through wins out. We had so far starts playing the right way. Offense defense never worried pretty good job. Every game played outside of one game from a defense standpoint. Even ninety one for whatever books thing is is offensively cleaner railway. Trust in the pass giving yourself to the team new. Give her a chance. you know. it's funny that's obviously a zoom interview with cow kouzmin and we talked to bill plunkett from the southern california news group a little bit earlier today about his job and of course it's all zoom calls and soon press conferences and so there's no reason for him to go on the road with the dodgers. He's not in oakland With the dodgers right now. I wonder if that's a business. That's going to come back. Very quasi neat riders traveling around with teams as a thing. That's going to continue when this is all over. Keep in mind. The even the local announcers guys like michael. And i guys like joe davis and orel hershiser are not traveling joe and orel doing all these games from la michael. And i are doing all these games on this road trip from. La billion stews. Same thing it is. The era of traveling is over. I don't know Abc and tnt. Bring their announcers. in sometimes. For example. Mike breen jeff guinea and mark jackson. Along with rachel. Or all at the lakers clippers game yesterday. Yes but mike. Last week did a game from his home in new york so there's no consistency to it. I think it it will depend on where we are with the health and safety protocols and what's allowed and what isn't but i think it's possibility to answer your question. We've figured out a way to do it without traveling whether or not that will stay kind of hope. Not i like to get back inside the building. I think that would be fun. But it's not going to be up to us. Obviously we got to say. I mean one of the big bold headlines right now is that fans are coming back to both the nba and two major league baseball here in los angeles. The angels have already had a home games and they've had crowds. The dodgers will have their first crowd for opening day on thursday of this week and they will unveiled their world series championship. Banner get the rings all that stuff with fans there. I think something. Like eleven thousand fans and then on the fifteenth as the safety protocols and stuff have been followed with the county in the state there will be some number of fans at staples center for the lakers celtics game and we don't know the details of that yet except that there will be fans in there right and how they're going to do it and how exactly it's going to be executed in like they are going to. They are going to unveil the banner. I don't know the answer to that. They say they're working on a plan. They will announce but i. I don't know the little things either. Mace like for example. They have concessions. I don't know right know right now when we go in no food and drink allowed. Yeah so take your massgov food and drink right. So they'll be they'll be some less than ideal conditions but to be honest. I'm hugely excited about getting any fans back into the building. I think it's gonna make a huge difference and the games haven't been the same without the fancy. Let's get them in there. Yeah absolutely well. it's coming it's coming and john. You've got to make preparations now for the mason labor day party. It's happening the blowout. Hey here's a question right after the show today. I'm getting my first shot. My scene shot did you. Do you get the moderna or the pfizer pfizer. Which one did you do. I got them down okay. So i've heard that the first you didn't have a big hangover after the first shot right no no just saw and then i gotta go back in like three and i didn't get sick after the second one either. I just got another storm. Okay good yeah not ever not everybody's having adverse effects to the second one other than sore arm it is. It's i mean it's a sore. It's sore but i there are some people that have symptoms like i know Not stepdad. leo was in bed for a day. But he's he's kind of soft. Most people have done well with it right coming up next for you is game of games and it is ireland's game today as we get ready for the college basketball national championship game. Which will you will hear tonight here on seven ten. Espn five o'clock starts coverage gonzaga the favourite versus baylor mason ireland seven ten. Espn game games. Time it is sponsored by power pro plumbing and heating powerful professional affordable. It's who they are. It's in their name their our plumber. They wanna be yours to call one eight hundred five eight four forty one sixteen or visit power pro plumbing dot com all right. It is john airlines game today. So far in the month of march What's the scorecard the scorecard says. It is april man ireland to april. Two lindsey one. So far in the month of april okay guys so lindsay can play horry compla- and of course mace can play. Here's the game in honor of tonight's ncaa title game between gonzaga baylor. I have an nba championship game quiz. It's multiple choice. We have the game lindsay. What time is it starting. Five o'clock tonight is covered all right. So here's question one. I have seven questions in a tiebreaker. Ucla won ten titles between nineteen sixty. Four and nineteen seventy five. They lost in nineteen sixty six when text texas western won it and they lost again in one thousand nine hundred seventy four. Who won the title in seventy four. A notre dame be north carolina state or see kentucky. Guess notre dame. Okay i'll say be. Ucla north carolina. state. Mace i think it was notre dame hor hey is your winter was north carolina state with david thompson that knock. Ucla off so george and yoenis with a rare tonight. Gonzaga is trying to become the first team to win the title and go undefeated since indiana did it in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Who did indiana beat in the championship. Game that year. George was at a michigan beat kentucky or see north carolina. I'll be kentucky kentucky mace. I'm going to north carolina you're to north carolina lindsay kentucky. All three of you wrong. The answer was a michigan. Nobody gets the point. Alright question three mace. You go first this time. The nineteen eighty two title game between north carolina and georgetown featured three future. Nba hall of famers which one of those hall of famers was named the tournament's most outstanding player that year was it a patrick ewing. Be james worthy see michael. Jordan ewing worthier jordan. Mace named best for the year or the most outstanding player of the tournament that year of the tournament. I will say that was patrick. Ewing okay lindsay. You're going james worthy or hey let's see lindsey gets the point. It was james michael jordan. Hit the big shot. One it but james worthy averaged twenty points a game that year and a shot to my guy. Big game james lindsay. One hor hey one. Mace yet scratch as students would say all right back to lindsey. You go i. Only one of these three coaches has won multiple national championships more than one. Is it a john. Calipari be jim boeheim or cj right calipari bay heimer right lindsay. Guess calipari all right. You're going calipari man. I'll go calipari. Also john kelly only won one national title so as gyms behind the answer is jay wright who won two of the last four at villanova. Wow wow so. It's still really awful at this game. Or hey one man. No our college. That's why it's multiple choice. So we'll we'll get a winner out of it all right find one fine one nine hooker by even if you're terrible we'll call you a winner all right which school won the very first. Ncaa basketball championship game. The very first one your first. A ohio state be oregon or see indiana ohio state oregon or indiana indiana ohio state oregon. Or indiana oregon. Lindsey ohio state oregon or indiana state. Steve mason's on the oregon who neck in one thousand nine hundred thirty nine where to go all right one to one twenty doesn't get closer than this. This is for these are for everything now. All right so we're left. We have two questions left. A tiebreaker makes you go first this time. Most people know that bill walton holds the record for most points in the title game with forty four. But that's not the record for the most points in a final four game that record. Fifty eight points is held by a bill bradley princeton. Bp muravich lsu or see lew alcindor. Ucla mace abc. I'm gonna go pistol pete. All right lindsey. A b or c c george. Abc gonna be. All three of. You have missed it again. Series senator bill bradley had how game and we remain tidied going to the final quest this rails barn burner over here. This is as close as it gets ladies and gentlemen all right dramatic music which one of these cities has never hosted a final four. Is it a sandiego be portland or see miami. Lindsay san diego portland or miami. Ab or see. What do you think ammon against miami. All right whore. Hey i'll say. Go portland going portland. Mace let's decide this. I'm going san diego. Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner come that winter is again lindsay and never hosted the end. It hopes to tons of super bowls national. Take kids to the tournament miami. Come on the fresh angle is all. What kind of dumped did they did. They play in the san diego. Sports arena in john. Wooden 's last year in nineteen seventy five. Was that place still a dump back then it. They have done no improvements on it whatsoever. As a matter of fact. I i love the movie almost famous. Yes so there's a scene in almost famous. Where young william the writer has to go to a stillwater concert at the san diego. Sports arena jet. They didn't even need to do any retrofitting. they just went and shot it. You know like in two thousand at the san diego sports arena and it looks exactly the same. Are we going to do. Our jeopardy matches week. Aaron rodgers associating jeopardy. We're starting tonight me versus ireland in jeopardy lindsey are. Are you preparing a jeopardy game for us. Yeah which state do you guys want to do it. I mean we have short show tomorrow short wednesday or wednesday wednesday or friday. Those are the two days without laker games. Okay and just pull show put poll questions directly from the show. I don't know there's a million. There's like an online version of jeopardy. And there's a there's a jeopardy app or you can get like aaron rodgers asking the question and then we answer so mean. Whatever leading lindsay whatever's easier for you. It'd be harder to cheat. If you don't use the actual aaron rodgers quite aaron afraid mason actually watch the show and cheap. Yeah i am. I am not the one with a reputation for cheating on the show. I can't do not have google fingers like michael thompson. Trust anyone lindsay. Come up with your own questions that were not actually on the show and that way it'll be an objective game. Okay okay we're aghazadeh minus four and a half tonight down what's the right side of the game. Baylor baylor is going to win it really. Yeah when you unplugged your when you kick the power cord. An unplugged your comrex and left the show for ten minutes. I made my pick. I think if you study the history of this program was completely shambles. Ten years ago there was a murder. The coach tried to cover it up. There was lying cheating. They let all the players leave to go to other schools without having to sit out a year a baylor look like they were doomed for the next fifty years and scott. Drew has brought him back. He's got him this far. I think inzaghi suffered an incredible blow on saturday when ucla almost knocked him out. I'm going with baylor. how about you. I think you're exactly wrong. And for exactly the reason i think once you suffer that once you get that really really close win. The one that pushes you to the edge happened with ucla. Nineteen ninety-five tie ties eddie. Everybody has one of those games that scare the hell out of them and then they wind up winning. Zag is going to win this game. I think they're going to win it comfortably. I think they've got a. I think they have more talent on the roster. And i would absolutely lay those points. Four and a half points gonzaga. I think is going to win this thing going away. Well the closest game they played in months was the ucla game. Oh yeah every other game had been decided by double digits right did when twenty four straight games by double digits. Plus isn't this the culmination of mark few. He's not going anywhere. I mean opposite this. This is that we've we've seen this mid major team that we thought well. Maybe this is the year they may that year they make to me. There's there's something fulfilling about mark few winning this championship doing what. He's doing what he's done where he's done it taken an untraditional school and turned it into a basketball powerhouse. I i just i. I would feel great for mark few well. Mark fuse had opportunities to leave for major program he got. Ucla wanted him and he's he turned it down. He oregon wanted him in. Oregon's a great job. Because you have phil nights money back up and by the way the number one recruit in the country. Who's this seven to kid has signed to go to gonzaga next year. Wow so even if they lose. Jalen suggs and timmy. And all these guys that are the stars on this team yup they're reloading next year. They one thing about one thing about ucla they the choosing. He may have played himself into the first round in the nba draft but they have no seniors including choosing. They have no seniors on that team right so they got everybody coming back mixture s going to lose the mopey brothers definitely lose seven so so can zag is not only going to be good this year. They're gonna be good next year all right. Meanwhile dodgers in action tonight against the oakland a.'s. Is frankie montage for the as versus. Dustin may making his season debut for the dodgers that came starts at like six forty so a lot going on tonight and we will be here to wrap up all of it tomorrow for you mason ireland in the books for today coming up next sodano. L z and cap seventeen espn.

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CLAB 36: Celtics post-trade deadline review with HoopsHype's Michael Scotto

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CLAB 36: Celtics post-trade deadline review with HoopsHype's Michael Scotto

"Welcome to another episode of celtics hosted today out there as always joined fight. Dr justin quinn. Ten is not available today. What path with us special guest michael scotto and usa today hoops hype here to talk about the trade deadline for both the celtics and some other teams in the league. Michael our you today sir fellas doing well my pleasure to join you and just what's going on kind of sorting through all the rubble here. Yeah it it. Certainly is rebel. Yesterday was an explosive trade deadline. Woge believe dropped a tweet earlier today. That said something to the effect of yesterday was technically the busiest trade deadline ever in terms of most teams involved and most players changing hands total so a historic trade deadline. Really interesting stuff of celtics made a couple of moves The most notable of which is the trade of jeff teague and two second rounders. evan -fornia of the orlando magic. All right i'll turn it over to you. Michael how do we feel about four nine for the celtics. When i first saw the move i it was good to see boston. Make some type of move. I think it's going to be interesting to see for this season. I don't know if it really moves the needle for them that much. You know personally. I still think the nets and the seventy sixers or better in the east than certainly the The bucks as well off the top my head can make a case for miami to give him the moves that they made. It's just going to be interesting to see whether they keep him long term or not What they're willing to spend to keep him on. I think certainly when i hadn't been doing stuff on site reporting for our trade until series in talks for aaron gordon. It seemed like last celtics fans would have liked to have gotten him as a younger piece To be a part of the core were jason. Tatum jaylen brown. Obviously that that that did not get done So it'll be interesting to see how much in back forty has again. I think it's a nice move but ultimately i don't think it moves the needle completely. Justin how do you feel about In boston it depends on how you look at it if you look at it in a vacuum. It's a pretty good move. You can be planted second round picks by purchasing them so you didn't really spend very much to get him did use. The pcp traded player exception generated from akron hayward's exit which i am not super crazy about given ages assertion inches assertions earlier in the season that they weren't going to use it during the season and they he's on rental and both But in a vacuum. It's not a bad deal. We can talk more about the The didn't get me. But i'm not to not to throw it in the bigger context. I think i'm gonna push back a little bit on that. And i say so primarily because i'm a little more optimistic that age and company are going to try to resign evan -fornia. I'm hoping that it will be for a reasonable deal. And you know evan. Foreign aid is a fairly talented multilevel score shooter which is a valuable position in the league. So he's gonna get offers. But i do think that he could be a really useful kind of spark plug for this team particularly when it comes to spacing the floor One thing that brad stevens really emphasized is that jaylen brown jason. Tatum need to develop more as playmakers. For this offense to really work and forty eight strikes me as a guy who can actually do something with the ball once he gets it which is not the case for everybody else on the celtics roster necessarily so i think the move from a price standpoint. It's not a bad deal. I agree with both of you. i would if he is not if we're not able to resign him. I wouldn't be super thrilled about that. But that's the kind of gamble that i think you can afford to take on a season like this one especially when zero point michael. I think it's fair to say that this move doesn't fix above brooklyn or about milwaukee or above philly at all but what it will help them do re-claim some respectability in the standings. Hopefully and maybe increase the trade value of some of their other players in what has been a pretty tough season otherwise but that is not the only move that the celtics made me another one later. In the day closer to the trade deadline trading the stalwart veteran center daniel thais along with devante green and cash for luc cornet moritz wagner and one nearly two million dollars in cap space to get below the luxury tax michael your thoughts on daniel for cornet and wagner. You know i would say daniel ties is a guy that makes a lot of plays. The don't see in the box score. Hustle plays box out type stuff dives on the floor screen assist kinda guy brings intangibles. I always like daniel tyson. I thought For a team that any team. That really has aspirations of the developing a culture. In good habits he'd be a good fit are on playoff contender. mo- wagner. I think is is a guy that can be a role player in the league. A little bit off the bench but You know i. I liked thais. It was for me. If i'm a celtics fan. I think that was more about clearing out. Time for robert williams. That's the way. I looked at it and You touched on some money that they had saved as well so that was my first read on it justin thoughts i feel generally the same. I'm a little concerned about some of the rumbles that were hearing we can talk about shortly about looking for a center on the buyout market. But it kind of had to be done just to make the other deal possible in the first place in. Hopefully there is any kind of commented. Wasn't that big of a reasons warning Hopefully they do give keys to rubber williams. That would be at least one small silver lining to seeing such a player like go. Yeah i really liked. Then you'll ties and i think it's fair to say daniel regressed a little bit this season from the guy that he was last year when he was legitimate like top. Ken i would say starting center in the at maybe the entire leak. He was really really good especially on the defense event and to lose a player like thais. Who as you said. Michael does so much. The little things to make This team work is definitely a tough sell. Obviously robert williams is the future of the center position in boston. At least i'm hoping and He is going to need more playing time so it made sense that one of the bigs would be on the move. I personally would have rather traded tristan thompson but maybe the offers were unfair. I will say that. I am in a totally biased. Since the biggest hater world. I do not like him as a player. I don't want him on my team. And i'm very upset but he's going to be wearing green so danny ainge. If you're listening cleese wave more. It's to make me happy specifically any other thoughts on the moves that maybe the celtics did not make. We were rumored about we. Her rooms aaron gordon. We heard rumors about harrison barnes. We heard rumors. About nicola. Vucevic and john collins michael thoughts on some of the moves that the celtics did not make. I mean. i think you could come up with an incredible team. Not only this year but in years past guys that the celtics have been linked to an intrigue rumors. And don't get. I mean it seems always like if they are linked to the guy you can probably they're not gonna get him It's just the way like it's been over the years. I would say As far as like aaron gordon i just thought that He would have made that he would have been more of an impact acquisition and forty but ultimately does that move the needle for them a ton. I don't know how i think You know they really need a big to me and my opinions take like the next step and robin williams can develop into cool but as of right now. I don't see. I think aaron gordon You know a deal that they got you know with. Rj hampton and the pick. And i thought for boston in now if they could get maybe multiple picks it could've worked but it the young player going back would have been the question you know i did. That is really something that has to fall on the magic and how they view their young core vucevic scotto gave up a tom like the window. Carter former top ten pick and two first round picks as well. That's substantial so. I i don't know if they were going to beat that Necessarily harrison barnes. I know he could slip into the trade exception. You probably won't have to give up as much just again to me. I don't think that really moved the needle as much. I think harrison is a nice on a championship team. Song golden state probably like your four fifth guy And so you look. You can make the case in boston. That would have been his role. But i still just. Don't think the sum of the parts. We're going to be good enough in the east. The way it was now john collins i never got the sense was really going anywhere to be honest once atlanta started clicking and get on that that winning streak plus pretty sure travis sling said that he didn't really have a ton of substantial conversations with john collins and i agree i would agree with that. Because he's a guy that from all any talked around the league you know they'd be like well john's guy that we check in on and things like that. Everybody does due diligence but john collins. You're gonna cost time fucking like a top ten. Pick another first round pick and possibly player abbas restricted free agent rights will allow them to keep him so and matching the offers. They choose so. I never really saw him a guy that was going to be moving on to another destination. Justin dies the south extent debt. What do we think for barnes and collins. I never really felt that they were available and it was really confirmed when when kings move dhillon right. I was just totally not. Let's let's sell up some parts move. They really seem to wanna make the playoffs. You could debate the wisdom of that. But i mean even more so with collins. It just seemed like they were really available. So you can. You can make all the offers you want for. Guys weren't available but you're not going to get anywhere if they're not that being said. I do think that they probably could have made aggressive. Moves from gordon vich on this very good reasons. Not to for both Michael outlined others others better minds. The mind made the case for but it is disappointing to see that danny ainge is as as michael alluded to constantly connected to these big names. Viet never really coming with the fire to to get a deal across the finish line if that was really what you're trying to do. Yeah it's interesting. You know with danny ainge. He had a long history of being connected to a variety of players. As you all upset. But i think one thing to take into account is that Danny has developed for better or worse reputation as a pretty aggressive. Gm and i think the reputation can actually be used against him specifically by other gm's who can throw the celtics are looking to trade for our player. Better get in on quick as a leverage tactic in other traits even if maybe the celtics interest is more doing their due diligence than it is actually concrete. They're gonna go for this guy. something to consider. I think with vucevic. That was a hall to give up. I liked but i think as you said michael. I'm not sure that that moves the needle for them a whole lot. The gordon trade is interesting. I agree with what's been said that. The celtics probably could have been a little more aggressive in going for aaron gordon and i think in a lot of ways would have been ice fit for the roster but one thing that i kept hearing about that is that Orlando was pretty intent in acquiring marcus smart in any sort of aaron gordon trade framework. And if that's the case then. I completely understand why backed off. I think marcus smart is significantly more valuable. Ulta the squad. Going forward than aaron gordon could even if gordon ab fits the timeline of jayson. Tatum and jaylen brown a little bit better. Smart of the locker room leader is just so critical to what the celtics do on a day to day basis. Any thoughts on that or move on. Yeah i i would agree with you real quick on smart i think if he were to be moved it would Probably ruffle some feathers in the locker room and the coaching staff loves him. So for me If i recall it the draft there were rumblings about smart golan for the number two pick is part of a trade package. That's a different story. Automated. that's something. That's extremely significant and smarts on a good contract so he's got value is in the league. Yeah headline guy and a trade ad on all. But i think if you pair him with picks and you know maybe another young asset or something. Yeah you can. You can make a series blockbuster trade all right. We should probably keep moving things long. So the eastern conference was busy. The celtics were not the only team that made some deals yesterday. one. Let's start with a the conference leading philadelphia. Seventy sixers. Who added george hill. After being very much rumored to acquire kyle lowry. What do you think of. George hills fit on the six michael. I just think for them. It was cost effective and for kyle. Lowry had reported in written about it. On hoops hype. That toronto was trying to get matisse stibal and that was the guy that we're trying to part with They wanted the kitchen sink from philadelphia. Down maury wasn't willing to go that far and also that the miami heat not looking to include tyler herro in the talks I think the lakers were brought in as a leverage play. And it didn't work out but that said you know. I think that Georgia a good fit for them. Brings three point shooting which had been around. Ben simmons and embiid and plays defense and You know just a good veteran guy low maintenance so to me. I thought it was a good move. Justin george hill. What do we think. I'm sad that we didn't get in on georgia for the celtics to be completely. Honest wasn't an exorbitant. Cost in a really good half court player in we all have been seeing kemba has had some struggles hopefully Playing back to back games in the postseason more Things will be better. But i really would have liked to have had a george hill on the roster in place of for example for you. Yeah george hill always seems to be kicking around these top tier east playoff teams. Whether it's the cavs the bucks now the sixers. The the top of the eastern conference loves getting george hill to be their backup. Point guard He you know with good reason as as you both mentioned. He's a good shooter. Quality playmaker decent defender. I think this is probably a better option for philly. Given for what they were going for. Larry would have been really interesting on this team and i could definitely see a world. Where going all in for lowry would have put philly. Maybe step ahead of the competition in the east. But i think as you mentioned the cost of acquiring kyle. Lowry title maxi presumably another pick. That puts a pretty heavy toll on what phillies future might be. And given joel embiid's injury history. Given that ben simmons while a dominant player in a lot of ways still struggles to shoot ball. I think it's fair to say that i understand. Why philly got gun shy about kyle lowry another team. That was connected to kyle lowry. That made some moves not involving. Kyle lowry miami heat. Who added victor depot and pneumonia. The elites for former boston celtic kelly olynyk another formal boston. Celtic avery bradley and moe heartless. Where are the heat can be finding themselves after making these moves you know. I think there should be a top four team seat wise than going to the playoffs and see what they can do. All a depot has struggled a little bit. This season shooting the ball. He's not in his topple star shape form that he was a couple of years ago. leads guy construct the floor for them So i think that'll help. The the big question is going to be if they can get lamarcus aldridge as well by out market Certainly an arms race in the east. So it'll be interesting to see but that's what they think. They are as of now at least justin. I'm not terribly overwhelmed. Just because as as michael settled in his best shape In terms of presumably health but it could just be a shooting slump. It's not clear why shooting so badly could also be being on. Hates being on all hard to save this point. But i i am kind of optimistic. You know. kind of fits their mold. I do think they are a better team now than we were before. But the question is is going to be good enough. And i think it's really going to be a lot more on jimmy butler and the rest of the squad to play postseason spot on justin. I completely agree. I think deletes another depot are perfectly fine nice pieces at this point in their career. I think all depots probably a rental. We'll see but ultimately miami is going to go as far as jimmy and bam can take him can take them and that hasn't really changed with the straight mind. Obviously we touched on earlier another team that made some waves in the east chicago bulls adding nicola butch alfred commu daniel thais devante green and sending out wendell carter junior otto porter. Jr. whole mess of hicks. What do we think about the bowls heading in to the next chunk of the season. Mike you know for the bulls. Obviously they wanna make the playoffs. This helps them do that. But the bear story here about adding mussa fidgets a long term. Play to get zach levine. Help in his first season as all star and really begin to build a foundation of pillars there and. I think that's important that they did that when the car had been and Chicago soured on him in. That regard is the apple snail floor. You're gonna give up the guys have the best year of his career. He seems to really elevated to a whole new level his game outta porter never really moved the needle for them. There and i touched on by like twice earlier in the podcast guy it's really knows his role and does the intangible things help team went so i think chicago is going to benefit from that greatly justin. What do we think about. Shy town a. I like them a lot more. No i think they are going to get first round with the playoffs. At least i don't know how much further they're going to be able to go net particularly with very odd for court. Rotation a mutant. Obviously i think at this point you know lauri markkanen is going to be gone free agency. Barnes very strange happening. It's very curious front court. I'm curious to see how it comes together. But i'll definitely better team now. Yeah i think the bulls are definitely a better team. I am not sure about this. Move in the long run for them. Think that giving up to i for a guy. Nicola research is expensive Can't really be an incredible defender and is about to turn thirty that. Could that could pay a long-term price for chicago but to your point michael. It's very clear. Zach levine is their guy. He has been the best player the bulls had since jimmy butler and they really want to build around him and make sure that he stays in free agency. So this seems like a move very intentionally directed or it's back goal. And i think that the bulls will improve as a result. I'm just not sure how batch couple of teams in the east mates moves of each rondo. Raptors added gary. Trent junior and rodney hood for norman powell and the hornets added a former celtic brad wanamaker officially confirming their status as boston. South any thoughts on the raptors hornets making moves fellas. I thought the rap is getting gary. Trent was awesome for them because he's only twenty two years old. I think people forget that. And you know. Norman powell pals going to get paid. This offseason paid trent as much. Maybe a little less than he's younger and you can build around him. I don't know how big of a gap there is between. Trenton powell. I i love that. Move for the raptors personally justin. I'm much more impressed by adding brad wanamaker to. I'm just kidding. No offense bad we love you. We love you. But as far as far as gary transgender thing. It's eerie because his father did the exact same thing Someone pointed out earlier today on twitter. I forget who apologies The his father also score ten points a game for the portland trailblazers in maingot directors. I think he's kind of kicking the same kind of production that we're seeing from powell down to four usable window for the raptors. I i think that makes sense and the raptors are trying to get younger. I think now that pascal siakam is clearly established as their main guy. Along with fred vanfleet. I don't necessarily know what the status of kyle lowry is gonna be for them going into next year. It's possible that he will leave free agency but there is clearly a youth movement afoot norm. Powell was going to get some offers in this offseason. I'm pretty sure that toronto had no intention of matching or resign and so trump is a good get for them. I agree all right so we talked a lot about the trades that have happened. We've talked a lot about the new eastern conference folks. Where do we see boston in this eastern conference going forward. What is their ceiling. And what is their floor for this season after all of these moves that took place when i look at the celtics. Just think that right now. Without knowing whether they're going to end up with a guy like andre drummond or something to continue to fortify from court I think you have to look at them on the outside of the top four seeds in in the east right now The worst case scenario Worst-case 'cause i could see them potentially getting a balanced in the first round depending on the match. But i don't know. I don't see this team necessarily get into the eastern conference finals. Let alone winning itself. If you told me they were out in round one or two. I could see based on the roster. Construction has now. What do you think justin any chance. Celtics can catch fire replicate their east finals. Run it's certainly possible but we'd have to see kemba walker really playing like the kemba walker revolt which is not that likely we have to see will have a jays playing to the level of. They can't so for heaven. We have to see a kind of cohesion. You haven't really seen from this team for them to to really have that chance. And there's so many ifs at that point. I think it's much more likely to fall in the michael talking about and i don't you know typically but there is a real potential for for the chemistry of his team to employees further after. Haven't been shaken up particularly with the rumors going about tristan thompson. And all that stuff put together. There is a potential for an employee in the grievance even play in tournament or worse. Yeah i think that's probably a fair assessment to be honest which is depressing. But that being said. I think that might explain. Actually why the celtics made the moves that they did on some level. Evan new by all accounts is in addition to being a solid player. A very good locker room guy to have he apparently very funny and an enjoyable presence on every team that he's been on so maybe evan -fornia coming in will help celtics chemistry a little bit more and jek some fun and energy what is otherwise. Been a slog of a season. And i think to kind of capital off. I think the concerns that you both have are legitimate. And i think that's part of why danny age might have been a little gun. Shy to trade first round picks this year because of the celtics fall is far as the play in tournament. They're potentially going to have another top fourteen fifteen pick with could be either another decent player or a valuable trade asset on so we should probably talk a little bit more about buyout market. Something that has been mentioned by both of you Celtics reportedly been linked to andre drummond. Who will take a meeting with them. And there are some other names floating around so bioch- guys who are we looking at here. Michael i mean sure boston gonna try to get andre drummond as a handful of teams around the league. You know It'd be interesting to see what happens with otto porter as well I just don't know. I really don't know if they're a buyout destination for teams. I think you know if drummond went there it would be because he thinks he could play a significant role and get a big contract. down wine. maybe closer to the east coast and certainly los angeles. But it's a big market So they would have to play towards bad as far as their strengths but you know with where they are right now. I always look at the contenders for by our guys. I think you know certainly the lakers. You think the nets Filled out affiliate in there as well. They before a downpour was there they had gotten guys before like ilyasova and whatnot. So i mean for me. I don't know if they're really a buyout out. Destination like that right now just giving where they are in the standings. It's all about opportunity and fit so they would have to probably if they were going to try to get drums. They would have to probably promised him a starting role minutes because guys looking for a big contract thoughts on the market of the same. Mind everything that that you would presume drummer would want. He can get an other places better. we're playing time with the knicks. A better chance of the title on several teams. And i think if we do go for bio guys on the idol puerto makes sense I definitely think that if you are going to go for a big guy. It's probably someone more like trend. Kelly olympic can. We split a four reasonable. You will not great usually well. I don't necessarily think that there's too many guys out there on the market for the mcclendon Yeah i think. I would follow suit there. Kelly olynyk is an interesting name. He's actually having one of his better seasons in recent memory. I don't know if okay see is going to buy him out but they certainly might and if he is bought out a reunion could be an interesting low risk. Move for a team looking to add size and shooting as danny age. Had mentioned under drum is effectively already wearing purple and gold. So i think we can probably rule that one out auto porter an interesting name for sure unclear. What auto porter's health status is as well as if the magic or even going to buy him out in the first place which they may not but a name to keep an eye on for sure. But in general. I think given the crop of guys that are available on the market it would not surprise me if the celtics are less aggressive rather than more when it comes to that i think danny ainge has suggested as much so last thing and then we'll wrap the trade deadline is a time for teams to kind of re-jigger. Their rosters changed things a little bit for that season. But it's also a time to look to the future. Obviously the celtics acquired a guy in -fornia who's expiring but there's a chance to extend him An in general. What do you think about the celtics as they head into next season regardless of what happens this season. What is this going to do for our future moves and roster construction like wanna take. This certainly have their pillars jason. Tatum jalen brown. I don't see one of those guys. Where kemba walker name has been out there on. Trade talks even dating back to the previous draft and so You know i think that Is going to be interesting to see. But when you save the roster construction. I mean. Boston has their pillars. A good start bud. If you look at the east going forward with the sixers adnan embiid and simmons for years to calm and the supporting cast. They have as well as the nets of the big three. You've got him prove on that. I think if there's a way that they could package kemba walker improving a better third store. I think they try to do it for me. As a fourth guy is in bad. But i'm curious to see ultimately you know if they can maybe use that Trade exception hayward as well and just really try to go get an elite third star previously. They thought kyrie irving was going to be that guy and more gap. Obviously because he left. So i do think that that's ultimately danny's targeting at some point justin thoughts on celtics future. I've been very generous. With danny ainge. His moves in the past To kind of kick into things that you can look for in terms of my recent work celtics wire. Today i posted something specifically about how he has not really done a great job retaining talent in his conflict than up Now i mean. I'm nothing years bed player. But he's done on the same kind here player as those players have what during the past yet again in the same position could potentially burn more second round ruse created another traded player exception etc. If he doesn't keep him. But we really starting to get thin on some of those things so while the jury is still out. And i do think there is still material to put together a really good contender here. The path is getting very thin. It's very concerning. I'll just leave it at that or justin thank you for advertising writing on celtics wire dot com and that is such a beautiful segue into our wrap up here. Thank you very much for coming on michael. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 485: Buyers, Sellers & Who Could Help

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 485: Buyers, Sellers & Who Could Help

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. All the scoop need to know from college basketball to the nba and even march madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. Alrighty thank you for tuning in to the gmc basketball podcast brought to you by the gmc. Podcast network i'm ryan mazar back once again. it's the all star game has happened. The all star break is going on until thursday so we don't have any games yet so hope you enjoyed the all star game. I ended up. I did watch the first quarter and then kind of feared what was happening was going to happen in team. Lebron finished it off and got the the win one every single quarter so it was pretty big domination by them. Their team was fully stacked just mean you look at their starting lineup of jaanus staff lebron luca and yokich formidable and then with the fact that durant was out. Joel embiid was out. And ben simmons were all out for team durant. It was kind of a no-brainer. That team lebron was going to get the win so dunk contest happen and for me. Simon's is the winner of that one. Three point contest steph curry show surprise. Surprise wins the three point contest and in. That was a fun. One that was came down to the last basketball being shot. Mike conley put up a good fight but steph ultimately did win the three point contest the second time. He's done that so it was. It was overall a good little all star weekend. I still think it was kind of a necessary. But it's all right and so we look ahead to the second half of the season. That's going to get going here on thursday big news of the day and weekend i guess is blake griffin. Who officially signed with the brooklyn nets. blake who got bought out by the detroit. Pistons had a number of teams that obviously were interested in bringing men he ultimately chose to go to the nets and so i wanted to take a look at this and we'll get into what teams could be buyers and sellers at the trade deadline. The buyout market as well as players. Who are likely to get bought out. And where would be a good fit how they could possibly help a team and so we'll get to all of that As we go on. But let's start with the blake griffin news and obviously the nets made the big move for james harden and that was the the pushing all the chips to the table. And saying we're going all in for this. We have kevin durant. We have kyrie irving. We want a title. And that's that is we have the guys right now. We have the window. Let's just go all in and so you have this team who they gave up a decent amount in the james harden deal already so their bench wasn't as strong as it has been in the past That the team the nets when they were With the de ngelo russell. It was kind of built on their debt. They surrounded de lo and this team is very top heavy. I mean you have kevin durant. James harden kyrie irving and now you bring in blake griffin. And so i. I talked to a bit a couple of i think it was on my debut podcast episode for gmc of. I didn't think the nets were the true title favorites. They're definitely a a favourite to make it to the finals into run through the eastern. Get there To win it. All though i i still am hesitant even with this move of blake griffin being added because it comes down to the number one thing that worries me about the nets and that's the fact that they don't have very good defense and they can't really stop anybody and they've been giving up lots of points now they're going to outscore everyone in the in the league. They have the firepower that they do their lethal. I mean you have to of the great. Three of the greatest shooters kevin durant. Probably the greatest score going on in the game right now. He's he's unstoppable healthy katie. And right now. He's been dealing with a hamstring. That's causing the mist Some games lately and miss the all star game but this team healthwise is the scariest teams and on the often. Decide specifically but when it for the play offs. I always look at and think you need to be able to stop someone because every team. That's in the playoffs a pretty good team that they're they made. The playoffs doesn't matter what the record is they were able to get in the playoffs. They're the best of the best of the group for the nets though they will be the favourite coming east. I think they they edge out the sixers in terms of people's appeal that they are they have more talent but they can't stop. Anybody is what concerns me. I mean yes. Their offense is light years ahead of everyone else wants to do that. Joe layup line of the light years. They're averaging one hundred twenty one points a game which is easily i but then on the defensive side of opponents points per game is giving up one hundred sixteen. That's twenty seven out of thirty teams in the nba. That's what concerns me about. The nets and i still have those concerns because even in bringing in blake griffin and you're adding another star now granted. He's not the same blake griffin that. He was lob city with the clippers. He's had some injury problems. He doesn't have the same burst the he's not gonna be able to give you much if anything on the defense side of the ball which that was my big concern and still is with the brooklyn nets. Is that yeah. They're going to be a score with everybody. Everybody but if they have an off shooting night which again you. James harden kyrie irving and kevin durant. It's unlikely that those guys have a rough night and not be able to hit anything but if they have even an off night and they run into a team like the sixers or like the bucks in the playoffs and they are not scoring at the level of what they have been. They can't stop the other team from scoring and at the end of the day you need to be able to stop someone. Yeah you can score with the rest of them. But if you're just trading back and forth all gonna come down to who has last shot and then that's a confident that if they had last shot they're going to win because they have or james harden or kyrie irving and when you have one of those guys and they have three of them. There's not many other guys in the league that you'd rather have the ball in their hands and they have three of those guys so it's fair that they think hey let's just outscore everyone if outscore everyone we have nothing to worry about because no one in the league can top us but you need to be able to get stops and they can get stops here and there but again. Their opponents are averaging one hundred sixteen points a game. There's no signs that their defense is gonna get better. There's no one's gonna come back and make this team a defensive stallworth. It's it's not there. They don't have anyone and they. I thought the better move and we'll get him later on. Who in our people. Who could be bought out or traded for. But i thought of andre drummond became available that could be a better fit than bringing blake griffin because again blake griffin will give you some on the offense. He'll be able to score. He hasn't had a dunkin. Awhile which is weird because blake griffin was known for his dunks but again he's not the same blake griffin that we had five years ago where he was jumping over cars or doing all those things. It's it's it's a blake griffin. That has changed his game and yeah he was only averaging twelve point three points a game this year but he was playing on the pistons and he wasn't necessary taking control and asserting himself. So you look at it. It's adding that kind of star power to the nets and you look and you go okay. Well this team should easily be the favorites coming up east. Well i don't think so. Because you have the sixers who for the sixers they have joel embiid playing at an mvp level. He could be considered an mvp favored at the moment. And if you have that who is stopping embiid in this game in a game for the nets deandre. Jordan can't do that blake. Griffin's not going to do at all right if you wanna match kevin durant on him. That's fine but embiid outweighs kevin durant by quite a bit and has just over a bigger guy. It's more likely that kevin durant is going to be matched up. Probably ben simmons type. Because you're gonna want that length against simmons and the quickness but again who you who do you have stop joylin beaten nuts matchup for the sixers and the sixers can shoot. They have set. They have seth carry. They have danny green tires tires. Halliburton matisse. Stibal has gotten better at shooting. So you look at the philadelphia seventy sixers. Who currently are the team. That is ahead of the brooklyn nets in the standings and you think that team would would give them around and make it tough on them because they can do. So many things and sixers defense is better than the nets so you would think all right. Well be a good match but the sixers. They can't match the firepower the nets ad because they can't score the same but granted. They're scoring one hundred fourteen points a game but their defense. They're only giving up one hundred eleven. Which is eleventh and again eleventh twenty-seventh in defensive rating. That's where that's where my big concern is for the nets because again they will be outscore many teams and put up shots and put points all throughout a game. But can you get a stop when you need to. Do you have that. Stop that that defensive stopper ben. Simmons is playing like a defensive player of the year. Right now joel embiid. We know that he is a rim. Protector can shut down. Anyone in the paint nets can't do that. And if you wanna look at the head coaches and who would have the advantage in terms of head coach doc rivers has been there done that steve nash is going to be of all the coaches that will make. The playoffs will be the least experienced because this is his first year is first time being a head coach. Let alone a coach. He wasn't an assistant he he was a helper with the warriors or special assistant. I guess but he hasn't been in that day to day game in game out type of role so he's learning on the fly and yeah you have the talent that he has. You don't have to do as much but it looks like i. I'd lean with the sixers beating a favourite the the nets for the simple fact of everything kind of tends to go with them as far as coaching she. I wanna say shooting but they they do shoot the ball. Well abc guys who can make shots but that the deepens a factor of simmons and embiid qasim could go on katy. And i'm not gonna say he's going to stop them but he can make things difficult for him he's long he's linke he's strong and it. It would be tough match. Katie in and out. So you take away. I want to take away katie. But you limit him and so now if they're not shooting the same if katie's only getting twenty night or he has a game in a series where you only score is eleven or fifteen james harden. We've seen how james harden go cold. We've seen kyrie irving gold if they have a cold series. They are in trouble because they're not going to stop these teams. It's just whether at they don't have the defensive capability of these other squads. Let's take a look at the milwaukee bucks. They could match up with in the east. Where would they stand against them. And would it be a rough go for them. Would they be able to stop them now. The bucks who are second behind the nets and points per game obviously can score but they have their own defensive issues that go on and so you would look. I would probably trust the nets over the bucks. That's fair if both teams aren't the greatest def- defensive wise. Then you go okay. Well the nets have the better players. All around the bucks have honest. Who back to back. Mvp's was just named the all star game mvp. You give him his dues and obviously he's one of the top three four players in the league but the nets have kevin durant who healthy and it looks like. he's once he gets back to that point. We saw him earlier in the season he was looking. Just as good as kevin durant has in the past so those two you can cancel each other out. I'd say so. Look the number twos. Which would probably be i would say. James harden gets the nod over. Kate kevin kyrie irving as the brooklyn nets number two guy. He's better than chris middleton. It's not even close. James harden is a top five top six player in the league former. Mvp scoring champion. Overall is a better player than chris. Middleton no offense. Chris middleton who is an excellent player. So there's the advantage right there for the nets their number. Three's drew holiday over kyrie irving two holidays a great defender. You would see him. Probably matched up on on james harden in this series. I put jaanus on kevin durant if it happened. And okay do y'all as great defender. But he's not going to give you the points he's going to do he's not going to be able to shoot like kyrie. Get others involved like kyri again. That's what have the advantage. You look at the head coaching. You think okay. Well mike budenholzer. Who has been there done that been in playoffs. Been in games have has gone. Deep versus steve nash. And you look and go okay. What we'd probably lean for budenholzer. Because he's been there. He has that experience but again in with the talent that is on the nets you would lean that the net to be the favourite so of the top two teams or their top two teams that they could face the nets and the sixers. Yes you could see the nets having an easier time with the bucks. But i think that would be tough tough match for the sixers and it's why sitting right now. I think the sixers are the favorites to come out of the east. They have the guy playing like an mvp. They have the guys capable of stopping the net scoring and they have guys that can make the nets pay for the fact that they can't stop anybody now. Things can change can happen injuries. Pop up Someone has a bad night. some stuff goes wrong. We've seen the sixers in the past. Look good in the regular season and then the playoffs come. And they're not the same team they're just they. They don't have the same chemistry or finishing ability in a series. And it's one of the reasons why it's it's now or never for the sixers. Because they were that young team that was ahead of the curve and word trust the process and they're making strides and they're chipping away at it will now. It's it's been quite a few years. They've had some playoff failures. And it's about time to see what simmons and embiid can do together. And can they get this done otherwise you might have to blow it up and for the sixers you had the question of what would it be embiid or would it be simmons that you keep an coming into the season. You probably thought. Well you'd go with. Ben simmons right low bit younger healthier he can give you more versatility. He can't shoot that well. He refuses issue. Also but joel is like an mvp now and he's being the dominant force that everyone has waited to see year in and year out. And if you're getting matt well okay then you'd keep embiid so. This is the big year for this team is can you with both guys. Because they don't wanna trade one of these guys they want. They drafted this way to pair them and to have them. These young guys grow together now. In the years past we they ran into issues in chemistry has been questioned about those two but so right now it's it seems to be working and we'll just have to see once the playoffs start and how they fair but i'd say right now heading into the season. The sixers are the favourite out east as opposed to the mets. Now we'll see what happens. Could the nets go out and find a defensive guy. We'll we'll get into that. With the with the buyout market lingering and approaching as kicked off with blake griffin. Getting bought out. There are some names that i was looking at today. Thinking where could they fit in. Where would be a spot that you could realistically see them. Want to go because anybody that gets bought out isn't going to go to a a crappy team. They're gonna leave and go find a team that they can play for the time when a championship and so. That's what i want to. Next is talking about those guys again. Blake griffin is officially a brooklyn nets. Does help them were. They already a favorite. I say no. I say they weren't adding blake griffin does not push them in my eyes to be more higher up. It's a move that okay. It's a nice move. And you can kind of let bruce brown back to they coming off the bench role it adds another guy to them and a star level player. Now he's not the same star level player that he wants was so it'll be interesting how he mixes in. Does he automatically starts. Does that push joe harris to the bench. What are these lineups. Look like for the nets. And how will they they go small blake griffin gonna play the five. It'll be interesting. What steve nash does with this team. It's interesting adding blake griffin. I will give them that and to watch what happens and see how they fare together. Obviously deandre jordan blake griffin were teammates in lob city with the clippers and they came short of their expectations. They always wanted a championship. He didn't get that they're so they're hoping that together now they can help bring it because they're not going to be the two focal points on that team it was. You had chris. Paul blake griffin deandre. jordan was the pecking order. Here the jordan live in and of focus for the most part. He's catching lobs and getting rebounds and blake griffin. You're gonna have to see what you can get from him because this year. It hasn't been the same. Been a little tough. He's only played in twenty games. Averaging twelve points a game and the pressure on him. he doesn't have huge stations. It's not coming in and you have to lead these guys. You have to be the top score. It's come in the apart. This team and contributed in that way so it could be helpful for blake griffin and the nets may have made one of the best moves by taking him even if it was keeping him off another team because he had gone to other teams and maybe help them more. Maybe been better situation wise for a team and then that said you know what we're not going to risk it. We're not gonna let them go anywhere else. We're going to bring him in. We already have a great team. We already have some great shooting. He can only add to that and not hurt us and we keep them from going to a rival. So it's interesting move. You can't blame the guy for wanting to go there but we'll have to see if it works out for the nets or not. Because i still think give the sixers the edge in being the favourite coming out of the east. They can score. They can lock you up but the nets will be really fun to watch the rest of the way they have been all year but the blake griffin move. It's a fun. It's a funding the here but in terms of actually pushing them further into being a favourite. I say it doesn't do much for me. You feel free to disagree and let me know that you disagree. Tweet me at mr meows at gmc basketball. 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Dot com for more info. Welcome back to the gmc basketball. Podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. So we discussed in the last segment. That who was bought out by the pistons goes and signs with the brooklyn nets and he formed a new big form brooklyn. So we'll see how that happens. I still don't have them as the clear. Cut number one favorite They're still a favourite definitely. He still have to look at them. As being one of the top potential teams would make the finals and even when they will thing does blake griffin going. Their push them over the edge. I'm going to say no i. I don't see it. I think they still need defensive help. That's been their biggest problem with this. New squad is that they can't stop anybody big enough score everyone in the league and pretty easily dominate games and blow people out. But you need some stops. It's also part of the game. Is you need to keep the ball from going in the basket and right now. The nets can't do that. And with the addition of blake griffin. That doesn't help them do that. So i want to look at some. The buyout potential people who may be out brooklyn or other teams at getting stops and or just in general a buyout candidate who can help the a team and these are the most likely candidates. They're all going to happen. Some might be trade. I'm looking at it right now as who could be bought out because that that's what happens a lot times. Is that these guys who are on these. Not great teams are look into who've already been paid pretty well established and got their big contracts and teams are trying to get off that they don't want that for next year they're open all right. Let's let's let's cut our losses. We paid paid for him and it just. It didn't work out for us. Or this guy was acquired from a trade and just was he's never been in their long term plans a he just got moved because it worked out to make the money happen and for players so these are going to be some candidates in these names are. there's no guarantee that they get traded about. There's just imagine being helpful additions. So the first guy. I want to start with this george hill. Now george hill who was acquired. This offseason by thunder was part of that Big fourteen trade involved the bucks. The pelicans the thunder and i can blinking on the other team but he was. He was traded this off season to the thunder and obviously he's not in their long-term plan. They are building for the future. It's why they've stockpiled. All those draft picks and they have shade just alexander. Who is their guy of the future. And it's going to be their primary ball handler. George hill is a solid veteran. He's been to the playoffs. He's been deepened playoffs. He's been to the finals. He hasn't won it yet but he can provide a lot on a team coming off the bench. If you need him to start a game he could do it. He's only played in fourteen games this year. And he's averaging eleven point eight points a game this season now. We've seen george hill. Make the finals with the with the cavs In two thousand eighteen with lebron and those guys they lost the warriors if he hits a frito maybe that series is a different he. He's a veteran. That's been around the league that has been in the playoffs and made contributions the teams i mean he was with the spurs. He's been on those teams. He's been with the pacers when the pacers are really giving the miami heat trouble and pushing them. There was the eastern conference finals with. Paul george hibbert and georgia was a big part of those teams. So you look if he if he came on to a number of teams he. He could help be that pack back. Backup point guard solidifies the sixty sixth man role or that second unit and just be a force for any team so he makes a lotta sense. He's been fourteen years now so it's he he he. He is a big time veteran. He's been around. He seen many things. Nothing surprises him. You know what. You're going to get from george hill now. Is he going to come in and ball out and just lead your team. No of course not. He's going to be the sixth man of the year. No he's not but you don't need that you don't necessarily need that guy who is going to be coming over coming in and taking over a game it's you want him as a stabling force as a guy who you can look to you. It's if we need. We need a basket if we need someone to just calm down the team and get us back in the right motion and the right flow and get the ball moving. You look at the team. Mike sixers they need a backup point guard to really be a true point guard. Because seth curry if he's playing that role he's not necessarily going to be that you don't have you don't want tyrod maxi being the first point guard off the bench. You want him to guard but you also want him not to have so much pressure on running the show. 'cause ease a young guy. Having that george hill veteran presence can really help the six series in terms of a stabling force with the second unit and just overall allow them to rest. Ben simmons more or even play him off the ball where you don't need him to be running everything every now and then but if you did pair them with george hill george hill keble off the ball and it provides a more shooting that ben simmons can offer so for the sixers. I think that's a. That's a big potential target. Now he might not be bought out and you may have to trade for him but again. He's only he's thirty four so you're not going to be getting a huge big contract from him is not going to be something where your long-term term planning is. Oh how do we acquire george hill and half and b our guy. It's it's a using now and have him for the rest of the season and hopefully a deep playoff run so be very interesting to see where he land. He's been thirty eight percent from three this season. He shot fifty percent from the field. So you're getting a solid player. You could also see this guy. Who i i don't know he'll be traded. It's there's the so kyle lowry is. He won't be kyle lowry obviously. The raptors have playoff hopes and championship goals. That that's where they're at. They're in the playoff race there in the mix. They've have a pretty good run after a very very awful start but again you look this raptors team and it seems that they have a ceiling this year. There is no quite leonard to team in pushing them over the top. It's just it's not happening. Siaka has struggled at times. van has been everything they hoped for when they they paid him this off season. he's come through. He is their guy of the future. That is their point guard the future. It's fred vanvleet for kyle lowry. It's not the same. He's now thirty four he. They got their ring with them and for that they should be grateful. And it's an awesome bank. You kyle for all your contributions to the raptors organization but the two should probably be look into move off each other. I mean kaleri. It's the last year of his deal. He'll be a free agent here coming up and so you look at them and you go all right. Well if he's potentially way out we there is a he is a big contract guy. He did get paid but it is the last year of a deal. So you had that expiring contract to where you could trade him somewhere and it's not gonna be on the books for next year for a team. He could be that point. Guard a team like miami. You look at miami. Could really use a kyle lowry. If if they wanted to make that deep playoff run and get back to the finals. They could have stabling force at the point guard position. In kyle lowry goran. Dragic has been hurt. this season. Tyler heroes not going to be your point. Guard jimmy butler. You don't need him running the show exactly so you would like a guy like larry who could come in for the year try and win a title and then at the end of the season if you wanted bring him back next year you can. But you're not tied to him. So i'd look for kyle lowry to be mentioned in trade talks. Maybe shopped around a bit by the raptors because again it seems for the raptors they. They aren't winning the title of this year. They they don't have quite the same pieces now. Could they look to acquire those pieces at the deadline. Of course and i'll get to teams who could be buyers and sellers coming up. I looked for them. You probably maybe even move off. Kyle lowry an extender winner. Or maybe open up a window by moving off him and bringing in a different piece. It seems that the two could be in line for a split. Now they could just roll it out and keep it going for the season and let him finish off his raptors career in whatever effort he gives them and wherever they finish in the playoffs in say. Thank you kyle lowry for your contributions. But most likely he's not going to be back with the raptor last year next season. I don't see that happening. They play paid fred family to be the guy into moving forward. That should be. That should be where they're heading and so cal our could be on the move very easily in now. It is a little bit tricky to to go and get him. He does have that thirty million dollars salary. So you'd have to find some team that can match up the money. It is nice that it's an expiring contract so you can move off it after the season and you're not married to the guy but he knows how to knock down bigshots. We saw it in two thousand nineteen finals. The raptors don't win that without kyle lowry yes. Hawaii was phenomenal. But larry was huge in that series along with family along with siaka. But you just cow our would be able to make those big shots and you trust them to take those shots. So i think that would be someone to keep your eye out for is guaranteed to get moved nata chance. Could he be moved. One hundred percent it just makes sense of the raptors where they're at in terms of the season and how it got going and where they might be looking towards the future. So i'd keep my eyes on george hill kyle lowry as two point guards. That can go and help team right away. Now it would be different roles. Kyle our. You'd probably be looking for him to be a starter. I don't see him coming off the bench for a team as their sixth man. It seems like if trading for him you're looking for him to be your point guard for the rest of the season and that's that's that's fair he. He's he's proven that he can do that. He's been a phenomenal player for a few years. He's a champion so calorie. I think could very well be on the move i. Let's shift to someone else. 'cause i don't i i saw this as i was going through guys who could potentially be traded or who could be bought out and this one was a little surprising it has not worked out for auto porter Chicago bulls. they signed him. They thought you know what will bring him in and he can kind of push us over the top. The bulls aren't going anywhere. The bulls are not going to be winning right now and not next year. It is time to buy out and move off each other otto porter. Jr. and the bulls are are. They should be heading for divorce. It didn't work out. You can just say hey. we tried. We went forward a bit. We brought in a big free agent and it. Just it didn't happen. I mean he's a former third overall. Pick the wizards got him brought him in first career. Eleven points a game five rebounds. It wasn't quite what you would hope you took him third overall. You thought maybe get a little bit more try try. They tried pairing him with rabid bill john wall and it just for washington. It didn't work out. And then when he became a restricted free agent. It was the kings that originally they had targeted them and the wizard brought him back on. Then it didn't work out and so washington said you know what we're going to move off and traded him to chicago with chicago. It hasn't been the best of times. He's only played in forty five games for them to it. Hasn't been great. Thirteen points a game for them. So it's been. It's been tough sledding firm. Now if you're one of these teams that is targeting auto and you're hoping to bring him in after being bought out you're not looking for him to be your number one guy. You're looking for added depth. The nets get some wing wing. Help the lakers lakers are always looking to add pieces and add a body and along. Six nine wing. It's you can bring those in and especially if he's coming to a team and he's not going to be the focus of the offense. It's not things are going to run through auto porter. It's hey can you come in. Can you knock down some shots. can you. When the ball gets you make the right move make the right play career. Forty percent three point shooter. Every team will take that you can always hope. Okay get forty percent. we'll we'll live with. That will take that we want again. He's not gonna come in. And be a knockdown sniper or be your best player your second best but none of these teams who are on the market are looking for you to do. They want an added peace. Some added debt and to provide some firepower coming off the bench. Or even if you want to insert them into the starting lineup. I think most of the time for a guy like auto it at this point. It'd be you're coming off the bench. You're going to try and help a team ads in debt to the lineup and overall be just a guide to them. You're not the number one. It's kind of like when the lakers went and got markeith. Moore's it was. We're not expecting a ton from you. We're not asking you to do a whole lot. We want you to come in. Not some shots. Be a part of this team and be a solid solid role player for us. There's going to be a lot less pressure. You're not going to be looked at as we need you score with dependent on it so i think he could really come in and help a lot of teams. You could help. The nuggets could be a good move for the nuggets to look at the clippers. Who they would like to add some more guys they they're scoring besides in pg fades at times so you add in another shooter. You can spread the ball. It out of order will be an interesting guy to see where he goes. I heard that the warriors were looking at impossibly. Now the warriors got him. You gotta wonder what are they. What are they looking to do. Obviously they would be trying to be a playoff team and they're right in that eight seed right now and they gotta make a push and figure some things out but you add in a forty percent. Three point shooter. It allows them some more depth on their bench so the warriors really interesting i. It's not a move where you go. Okay now i can take the war. you're serious. it's something that could help them and allows them. Hey the you have some help behind kelly. Oubre in andrew wiggins and it doesn't for steph to be the guy shooting so much every game and relying it gives them some help and he's long enough that he can play defense for you. So it'd be it'd be very interesting to see what happens with auto puerto junior if he does get bought out for the warriors team shooting thirty six percent from the three bringing in a guy who shooting forty percent would be very very helpful. So look for out of puerto junior be if he gets bought out heavily coveted because you get the third overall pick former third overall pick. That is still only twenty seven. You think you can figure out a way to integrate him into the offense. Even if he was into that robert covington role that he plays with the with. The blazers would completely fit there. Give them a little three. And d i would. I would like to see who out of puerto ends up with. He could be one of those not swinging move that pushes a team over the top but could really help solidify a team's bench unit. Nba big depth piece. The biggest guy. Who i look at and is being shopped heavily and is not even playing at the moment because the cavaliers are trying to trade. Andre drummond drummond can be a huge piece for anyone that adds him and can take them over the top. If you look at drummond he is the force that you want behind protecting the basket. You don't need him to give you a ton on offense he can. He's a double double machine if you bring in this guy who eats this year before he was benched. Seventeen and a half and thirteen and a half re seventeen and a half points. Thirteen and a half rebounds. You're getting almost fourteen rebounds. A game from him every team can use that. He's twenty seven again. He was ninth overall pick and yet didn't work out in detroit. He went to cleveland. I didn't understand the move when cleveland made it was. What do y- you're not really going for anything in. This guy seemed like someone you would want go into a contender and being a piece for them but again in twenty five games this year seventeen and a half points. Thirteen and a half rebounds. He's averaging one point he blocks he's going to be giving you stuff on on the defense side. He's nine point. Four rebounds a game on defense for offense rebounds a game so you could bring in an andre drummond. That's the move that. I thought the that should have really hoped for that. Hey german gets bought out. That's the guy you want to go for it. That's that's who you could really help push you over the top. Allow for some less d andre jordan minutes. You can kind of pair. Those two together of replacing one another. They went with blake. And we'll see how it goes. But i i look for andre drummond. I heard that the lakers were interested in them. They prefer him over boogie cousins. Obviously boogie was coming off. The big injuries and drumming adding to the lakers. It it gives them even more size eight. you know. Anthony davis doesn't like to play the center and he's been banged up him. Markets all kind of trading off the centers duties it. It'd be interesting to see the lakers. Get him and you wonder what he come off the bench for them. Would he be there their first big man off the bench in that dwight javagal role from last year. And try and see if they can recreate those twin towers right there with him and saw. Because you wouldn't necessarily play those together. Play them opposite. But anthony davis would drumming. That's good luck driving to the basket and that you're you're gonna get swatted. It's it's not happening. You're you're getting into the cup. So i look for under german to be the big piece of obviously the cavs are trying to trade him. They had him sit for a while. Now in china trade him so he wouldn't get hurt if they can't make the trade happen and they buy them out and they work out something and he's a free agent he's going to be a highly touted asset and he could. He could be a player that really swings things in favor of one of these teams they can bring in andre drummond because again he's twenty seven seventeen and a half points thirteen rebounds. You're getting a good player. Who still young big physical guy. So it'd be really interesting so those are some guys that i look for on the buyout or trademark it. I'm really interested to see what happens and goes on as we closer to the deadline. Which is now about two weeks away. The twenty fifth of march so very exciting trade deadline can always be hectic and crazy. We've already seen some big trades this season so expect more things to happen coming up. Let's talk about some buyers and sellers as i mentioned trade deadline going to be coming up which teams are looking to buy which teams are looking to sell. Some teams are being have been surprising as a in the playoff race right now. So they won't be sellers could they be buyers. We'll get into that next. It's the gmc basketball podcast brought to you. The gmc gmc podcast network. Come on back. Check out the show. That's built on the m a from. Ufc too extreme cage. Fighting they got the fights covered. Check out the gsm. See m a podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we talked to in about some of the biggest names in the past present and future when it's the fight game there's just one show to checkout. Gsm see podcasts. Dot com backslash m. e. dadge podcast. Don't forget to leg them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes mc podcasts. Dot com for more info All right welcome back to the gmc basketball. Podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. So we are in the middle of the all star break going on no games accidentally. I said earlier at the beginning of the show that no game so thursday. I was mistaken. It's no games until wednesday so luckily you get. Nba back here. Sooner rather than later the wizards and the grizzlies will match up as well as the spurs and magic map mavericks so big game right. There has them playoff spots potential as the mavs. Sit in the eighth seed right now. And the spurs sit at the seven seed so that's gonna to be a big game for both of those teams as you want. You gotta you gotta get those winds against those. You're gonna be fighting for those spots for because you don't want to be in the plane tournament and being in the spot allows you not to be there. So look for those games as they'll get back to action here on wednesday march tenth so better we go. We get a one less. They have without basketball. So that's nice as these guys around the break much deserved just had the all star game and team lebron one and i i will get into something. Jaanus tweeted out after the game. About lebron that i found interesting as i was sitting there today and yesterday thinking about and made me go I wonder wonder what his path could be after this. So we'll get into that at the end of the show. But right now i wanna talk about the buyers and sellers who could be a buyer who could be a seller coming this trade deadline. Obviously i was talking about players who could be traded or bought out. Now there's gonna be teams who are looking to make some moves and and whether they're going to be sellers or buyers now obviously the second season's gonna get started here on wednesday like i just re said and with teams like the knicks and the hornets being in playoff positions. Usually you look you look at those teams go. Maybe we could buy from them and be. They'd be sellers now. Don't think those teams will be sellers because they are within range of a playoff spot and they are surprising a lot of people. I don't look at them as necessarily going to be buyers. Either i mean. I just can't see the knicks pushing their chips in and thinking okay. Well we're sitting in the fifth spot. Let's let's get to that fourth spot and be i. It's just. I don't see that happening. I just i would those teams. It doesn't make sense you you don't you're not gonna go trying to bring in big time piece to just have you make it to the second round. I don't i don't think makes sense to me. You enjoy what the season you're having right now. It's a proper the knicks who it's been a long time since they've been in the playoff discussion or even talked about as potential playoff team. Same thing goes for the hornets. Who stopping as long since they've been a playoff team but for actually being exciting playoff team in Someone who you go out there. They're really surprising. We didn't expect this this year. I mean they've been. I said it a podcast. Couple weeks ago the horns of the most fun team to watch now. They're not gonna win every game. They're gonna lose some games badly but they're fun to watch they will not they won't go away they're scrappy as all being so. I want to focus on some of these teams who for the sellers. Maybe it was. Things didn't quite click this year and it didn't work out the way they had hoped and it's time for them to kind of get a fresh start and maybe move off some guys because you want to open up some cap space and you want to get off some of these contracts and the first thing that really comes to mind for me is one of the teams has probably been. I don't want to say the most disappointing but have definitely underperformed and they have now fired their head coach and got a new voice in there and they could be looking to move off some guys especially one guy in particular who would be a candidate for his receives restricted free agent heading into the off season. And that's the atlanta hawks. That's the first thing that comes to mind when you look at these sellers at the deadline and having pieces who can contribute to teams. John collins is a name that has get tossed around as a potential trade peace. You've heard that the warriors could possibly want him necessarily the war's going firm especially for a package that would have to include. You'd imagine that wolves unprotected pick. He's not a big enough player to warrant that. And the just where would he fit in with that team with draymond green being there and james wiseman i don't see it but you could see john collins getting traded and going and helping out some teams. He's six nine power ford. He's long he's he's not going to give you the most on defense which i think. It's more about effort with him. And you may be a more winning team in a more stable franchise. You might be able to rock that. He is only again. He's only in his third year and he's only twenty three so there's still a lot of growth for him. He's averaging eighteen points this year. You would like a little bit more rebounds from him. Only at seven point six game but again if you trade for him you are getting a guy who's going to be a restricted free agent. So is he someone that you want to bring in and potentially lose next year or someone that you'd want to bring in and then you would have to pay him because you don't want him walking away but if he is a free agent and he's restricted that means that other teams can offer him a big contract. And would you be willing to match that. you'd obviously have the opportunity to match it. But as john collins worth that he shown necessarily that he would warrant a big time extension from you. Now you don't you wouldn't wanna lose him for anything right away so it'd be a tough spot because he is restricted. But what do you do. What would you do with him. And so it's it'd be an interesting question to see what someone what someone view view is value where we stand now if you go in trade for him and you don't give up necessarily a ton of picks or a ton of players or capital. Then you go okay. We're okay with letting him walk if some team wanted to pay him big if he didn't perform for you the right way but if he did perform for you and he did unlock something inside of him at. It's been holding him back. Maybe it was the hawks who you can look at the hawks and go. They haven't been the most stable of franchises it. They're not necessarily developing guys at the rate that you would hope they are so maybe it isn't lanta. Maybe that's the problem with him. And he a fresh start with new wonders for him. Or it's maybe a guy that just doesn't quite have it at the elite level that you had hoped for that you thought maybe we're getting from him out of wake forest again. He was the nineteenth overall pick. So it's not a lottery guy that was super high. That's a bust but someone that you kind of had looked at and went We haven't quite figured out what he does. Great at where he kind of fits in a role and maybe if he was off the hawks able to figure that out and find a more comfortable spot for him. So i looked at the hawks who also have tony snow. Who can come in and be a wing for any team can be a knockdown shooter when you need to and just provide that kind of depth to anybody especially with bogart. Bogdanovich coming back. You're looking at. There's going to be even less minutes for him. It hasn't been a season where he's playing a ton for the hawks. Only twenty three games. So you look for him. He'd be the one affreux. Start maybe to get traded gets a acids back. If you're the hawks because the season again it has not gone the way who had hoped it's potentially going to be a playoff team and that was the goal. Well it didn't work out that way and you're now one of the worst teams. So why not trade away some guys and get value back for next year and moving towards the future because these guys john collins could be in the plan for them but again he's going to be a restricted free agent. If it's not worked in the land for the last three years what's to say. Another four happens they might be looking to move off them. They might not want him. They might not match any teams offer. So why not trade him and get some value rare and tony. Snow is a veteran. Who's been around that you can trade him somewhere and he will give some team some help. That's may be in a more winning situation. And for the hawks you trade off a guy who you didn't have a long term future for anyways and so it's no harm no foul and you get some pieces back for maybe anything not even great but you do move off of him and you go all right well. It works out that now in his last year of his deal. We're moving off them. He's going to be unrestricted free agent. But we were able to get some some stuff. Back from from ant wasn't just a waste so i would look at. The hawks is being a seller. Another team that i'll get the orlando magic now. The magic have a big name piece that they just signed to a contract extension this off season and for someone that is fourteen that is fourteenth in the east and it just does not look good for them at all. It's it's been struggled this season. They're the fourth worst team in the nba. You have niko vosa vich. Who is one of the top players in the league at his position. The guy is averaging twenty four point six points per game. Eleven point six rebounds shooting forty eight percent from the field forty one from three. He is a game changing player. You just signed them to a new contract extension so you won't necessarily want to move him just for for nothing. There's no reason to do that. We can bring in a big time return. And it's he's he's making twenty six million. This year's average salaries twenty five after you gave him that contract extension. He is twenty nine so now would be the best time to move him. You move on to a team. And the gives them two more years of control before it hit free agency so they could get some more usage out of him. You could get back a piece or pieces moving forward that can help you feel toward the future if you're the magic because right now which is a a win now type player. He's going to help a team be able to do that. And be a piece that can contribute to a championship level team if in the right organiz organization and you've heard teams like the celtics be linked to him the interesting if the celtics went and got him 'cause they have daniel ties and they have tristan thompson playing the senate position. Obviously vucevic is better than both of those guys now. Would it make sense for them to go get. Could they go get him. What would they have to give up. Russa bitch i would have to look and man for if you're the celtics it's do you have enough to go get him. Is that the peace that puts you over top. Could you see the heat. Go get him do the spurs asked him if they see haywar still in that playoff mix were just missing couple pieces to push us over the top and move towards getting out of playing tournament area and adding loose vich. It extends their window of. Hey we're still pushing towards playoffs kerr currently and we have. He's he's young enough that we'd have him for the next couple of years. He's a knockdown shooter. He's one of the best big men that is in the game. Right now it would allow them to move off lamarcus aldridge after the season pretty easily and you replace him right away so rich and the magic going to a divorce would be very interesting. Obviously the magic would look to get a nice hall in return rim return and sticking with the magic another. Another guy that you could see. Being moved is possibly erik gordon. I mean aaron gordon. Excuse me said. Eric not not erik. Gordon could be treated also by the rockets if with them being one of the worst teams in the nba and look in the shed. Some contracts him. Tucker but sticking with the magic and aaron. Gordon who gordon been hurt a lot of the season so it hasn't been the best terms of showcasing his abilities for teams because he is dealing with some injuries. So you haven't been able to get the most out of him by it. Could guy like a terrence. Ross be someone that a team looks at and goes. Ooh we would really like a three indeed type player. Let's get him in here. He's signed long-term for the next couple of years so you would have some more years out of him now if you're a team that's looking for a one and done and you don't want to attach long-term money them. Obviously then you move off of that and you go yeah. We're not going to go. We don't wanna pay twelve million next year for him. It's not in our budget. We're looking for an expiring contract. Then you okay. So terrence ross is in the fifth somewhere but there are going to be teams. That won a pair him with long-term goals and have it be. Hey for the next two years we do wanna terrence ross guy. We think that's a piece that could really help us moving forward and contribute right now and next year and be a guy who comes off the bench and provides that spark for them now. If evan four was more healthy i could see him being dealt but he's been dealing with a groin injury. So it's it's interesting. You the magic. I look for them to be a seller. I don't i don't see lucid. Being on the team passed the trade deadline now they could end up keeping the usc product and not moving off of him and saying. Hey we have this guy for another year. Let's get marquel folks back healthy. Let's get a nice draft pick in this draft param with foltz lusa village and really figure things out in the east but that just seems very wishful thinking near the. Now's the time if you're the magic booze Prime spot right now. He's playing fantastic for you. Move off him while the iron so hot he's his value has never been higher right now and it will only go downhill moving forward if you can move off him. I think now's the time to do it. I want to get some buyers really for the last five minutes of this segment. I one team that stood out to me most as a potential buyer the portland trailblazers portland once. Cj mccollum went down with injury and use of nurture nurture. They were kind of written off as all right. Well it's not like they can do anything this season now. They lost their search to to their second best player and their third best player. Now they still have damian lillard so you look at portland. You go okay. Well they were always going to be fine and competitive to watch. Because that's what dame dies. That's just who he is. That's in his nature that he's just gonna keep fighting for you and no matter what you going to be within a playoff position but right now portland. Twenty one. Fourteen there in the fifth spot. They're not far back of the third of the four spot or the third now if they were able to get. Cj mccollum back your healthy who. He's still going to be out for a little while. Use of nurture nurture will become back here shortly as well and you look at this team and go okay. Well they should have playoff implications. They think that they can go deep. Get these guys back because of the fact that without them. They've still been able to stay afloat being that running for a top four spot and once you get into the playoffs if you have a guy like daimler who's one of the best players in the league then you're automatically eight a threat and in a western conference that is very tough and has a lot of teams that look at that. Look at that conference and go. We can take down the jazz or weaken. Beat the lakers. Or the clippers or if one of those teams get knocked out then we should be the favorite or any given a team in the west. Who knows what happens. It's it's the wild wild west. I look at portland as being a team. That really could use to mute. Could really use making a big move to add some depth to that team. They have robert covington who they traded for in this offseason. Anfernee science simmons coming off. The slam dunk champ. Championship has been a good piece for them. Doing rookie deal gary. Trent junior is in the running for or should have been in the running for a sixth man of the year because he's had to play more minutes and start for them with guides. Cj mccollum going down. It looks about like they won't be be able to. He won't be sixth man of the year so but he's been a huge spark for them and has provided them to help. Keep them afloat which has been surprising because again once. Cj and nurses went down. It was well. There goes portland's chances of winning anything. There goes maybe they can be in that. Maybe they'll be in that range of the in tournament by the time those guys get healthy and they'll give that big push but getting fifteen point two points a game from gary trump forty percent from three has really kept portland afloat and kept them in that range so look for them to be a buyer at at the deadline because again they're sitting in that fifth spot they're right in that range and they're about to get cj and their kids back so portland look out for them and they will be i think a big time buyers to make at least one big move the last buyer i wanted to look at it i talked about my little in the last segment having them being linked to otto porter jr. as the golden state warriors. This is a team who has been. I don't want to say mediocre. But that's probably the best term is that they have been mediocre and some days. They look really really good and steph. Curry has played like an mvp. Other nights is been really really bad for them and they do have some bad losses that you look at it and could hurt them. In the long run the blowing some leads give having loss against the magic or blowing lead against the magic in that in orlando and the comeback by the hornets against them. But they do have. Some comeback. wins against the lakers. And the clippers. And so you look at them and they've really been what their record is of nineteen in eighteen and kind of hot and cold now if they go out and they're able to make a trade and they've been linked to victor oladipo who it would be tough for them to go and get because again he's not worthy of giving up that wolves pick that's most valuable asset that they have right now they still do have the trade Disabled player now the trade exception. Excuse me from the iga eager dollar deal from last year so they could use that to add a guy. I would have said at the beginning of the season with the knicks. Not being looked at as a playoff team that they would have been sellers that you could have gone. And got a austin rivers or an alec burks from them and that would have really helped the warriors. And they're shooting and providing steph with another ball handed. Because brad wanamaker has struggled mightily for the warriors. And you really need to go find a backup point guard for them and so i think that would be their biggest need right now. You also need more shooting because this team is not a great three point shooting team which is weird to save for the warriors especially for the years of the splash brothers and kevin durant so those are going to be the buyers and sellers. I think the most at the deadline obviously some of these bigger teams will be right in the market for the buyouts and be making moves and savvy veteran moves and doing what teens who are winning teams. Do but these sellers these buyers. I think could could use the most about going and swing a trade and helping their cause for a playoff run for the to finish up today. I wanna talk about lebron james because last night as i'm recording. This on monday march eighth his team when the all star game pretty handily so team lebron one beating team durant and yoenis was named the mvp. Lebron congratulated him and yannis. An interesting thing to tweet about an got me thinking what lebron's future could be post career so we'll get into that next to finish off the gmc basketball podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. Come on back out. This show built around the women of mma from the ufc to the extreme cage. Fighting we got the fights. Cover the golden state media concepts. Women's mma podcast. The latest news of upcoming flights discussions of previous mattresses. 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The eighth and team lebron proved to a a dominant victory over team. Durant one seventy one fifty. They won every single quarter so they did it. Why the new format where you go by quarters and if you win then it's a certain amount goes to charity and you start over and so zero zero in the second quarter zero zero in the third and then for the fourth quarter aids going to a certain amount of points so whatever your total was at the twenty four and that's your target goal and so team. Lebron won every single quarter and got to their target goal and they beat team durant now since they switched this new format of instead of east versus west the team captains and they voted on by the fans and the top two vote getters in each conference. Become the captains of the team and for four years. The bron james has been voted the team captain and so he's been the team captain for team lebron obviously by the name and since they've switched this new format lebron james teams in the in the all star game. Sit with a perfect record four. No now you look at it and go okay. Well let's the all star game. There's these teams are pretty stacked and they have really good players but the brown. James tweeted yana. Who was on team. Lebron as he was the first pick by lebron who youngest one the all star game. Mvp coby bryan award which was renamed to honor kobe bryant after his passing last year. Ns responded back to lebron him and calling saying you would make. You will make a great gm one day so janas who had said earlier in the week to reporters. It's over it's over. Yeah it's over guys. We got this in the bag when he found out what the starting lineup boys. Starting lineup was himself. Lebron james steph curry luka doncic and nikolai yokich and you look at that team you go bam. That's a pretty good team like. That's that's a solid starting lineup. Some of the best players obviously in the game because it is an all star game but the interesting thing was what janas tweeted backout. Lebron he would make a great. Gm one day and it got me thinking. Obviously lebron is on the downside of his career although the way he's playing and being in the mvp conversation once again we don't know when that end of the line is going to be. He could still be playing for another he could be doing the tom brady route of everyone saying. Oh he's he's he's finished. He's getting done and get done. And yet we keep doing is winning an winning titles and being in that conversation and continuing that conversation of greatest player ever but when his time does come and his nba career is over. Which hopefully and it doesn't look like it'll be anytime soon right now. What is his next phase in his career. Obviously he's earned enough money that he could go the route of being an owner but what he wants to be an owner. I think he would want to be in order. It would make a lot of sense. He would have he would say and a lot of power and be able to sit in with the league and continue to try and improve the league in the that he sees that it should be in have that voice and be in the owners meeting and beat me that guy so i could hundred percent see him being an odor and one day as he stated he would he would like to be an owner in with like a piece to own a team or go. The other route could be coach. Could you see lebron. James on the sideline coaching his team. Like larry bird ones did bill. Russell was a coach. Doc rivers the coach former players. They like to be steve nash. When a great player being a coach you don't see those greats doing it all the time. I look at a coach. And i don't see that as the position for lebron because to me everything has come so natural to him and so much so much easier than everyone else. I mean yes. He's putting a tremendous varada work and has worked hard to be at the level. He at he's at any puts in so much effort in practice time but again he's naturally gifted is one of the greatest. If not degraded basketball player ever so coaching. I i find it hard because again he chai explaining to someone how to do something that came so easy to you would be difficult and very frustrating and for some of those big time guys and some of the greatest the coaching and not being able to do it. Why can't you just do. It would be a challenge and you have to go head to head against the guy. Who's the new face of the team with the ego. Be able to allow that I i don't know to be so great. You have to have any. oh i. it's what comes with it almost. It's that yeah you're competitive drive but you have to be able to look in the mirror. I am the best player in this game. No one's better than me. And what drives you to be so competitive and so wanting to be great is that you look at it and go. I am the best interest me. Lebron has no shortage of ego but rightfully so he deserves have an ego because he has been one of the best players of his generation and of all time. So of coaches out owners a possibility. There's another role. That i think he would really thrive in or want to be and that's an executive or gm and being in that position of roster configuration making moves similar to what jerry west has been and jerry west is probably the the top guy in in my eyes pat. Riley's right there. Also but jerry. West has been a force in the league helping turnaround the warriors. Getting the clippers and the right foot. It would be a move that lebron can make that. Michael jordan didn't have a success at or didn't take that role of being the guy can put together a team putting together rosser. Michael jordan owns the hornets. Any has a strong say in that team and what moves. They're making it. What's the final decision. He talked about lamelo ball. And how exceed those expectations. Of course michael had probably final say if they were going to take lamelo or not. But it's not that executive role to where he is the decision maker. He is the guy who's approaching the owner. Saying this is what we should do. This is the right move. This is the plan. That's mitch cup check for the porn sites. He's the gm now if lebron wanted to and he went and became an executive and he won or he was good like jerry west or or pat riley who riley had that coaching career to where he won titles and then moved into executive role. And he's been able to bring the heat some titles. He won the three peat or the the to pete. Excuse me with lebron dwayne wade in miami. He brought that big three there. He had the title with shack. And dwayne wade as the coach moved into the executive and still won titles instill was able to be that guy who brought him big time. Free agents bosh. Lebron traded for guys brought jimmy butler drafted bam outta bio drafted. Duncan robinson tyler. Herro has had that success. And you look at it. He goes lebron bought into that miami heat culture when he arrived and it was pat riley counting showing him. How things are supposed to be done. How an organization should be run. Couldn't you see lebron being. Gm being a guy that's running the team and putting the pieces back. A chess like a chessboard. Doesn't that suit him to be able to go hasn't here even trying to do that. In the first place take away the all star game in the four no and his teams that he's picked for. No yeah most of the time. It's all star game it's happened. Yeah i guess trying but again it's not is not at that level of okay. Well everyone it in their all effort or this is taken so serious if lebron was gm in his early had say moves. Because when you have when you are the best player on a team that team should look to you and ask you. What do you think we should be doing what the houston texans should have been doing with shawn watson. Instead of trading his best weapon in deandre hopkins go. ask him. Hey what do you want. What what head coach should we be. Should we be going for and we've seen how that works out and it's not it's not going but when you star player you should be informed of decisions that are going on. You should have say you should be looked at as okay. What do you think we should be doing now. I'm not saying you control everything and you go okay. Well i'm not playing if you don't go and get this guy like kawhi leonard. Who when he said clippers. You go get paul. George and i'm coming note if you don't get paul george. I'm not coming there. That hasn't worked out so great so far. We'll see what happens to them. So you want to be careful about giving the player too much power and lebron james who kind of began the player empowerment movement. When he made his decision. It changed the way. Free agency happened for the nba. Guys like kevin durant kobe. Leonard were able to walk away and leave their franchises and go find greener pastures. It had changed. That guys were more willing to. Hey i'm not going to. I'm not gonna play her. I don't wanna be here. i want to be treated. i wanna go somewhere else. He kind of initiated that player empowerment movement now yes. Some of the teams that he had helped construct won titles in brought. Npc's to push them over the top. He also helped get some guys paid. That didn't work out so well. In the end i mean you look at it in the tristan thompson. Deal for the cavs worked out. For the time being it became a hindrance and once lebron was gone wasn't a great deal anymore just thompson. Wasn't that same guy that helped contribute to winning a title. Same thing for the jair. Smith deal but lebron did help in bringing in iman shumpert and helped to contribute to winning title so he has had say teams to wear pieces that he may be of pushed the team to go and bring in came in and they won titles got stuff done now when he left. It left that team with a big mess because they did pay his guys and gave them big contracts. and once. don't have lebron james on your team. You might not be a championship level team anymore. Basketball he ask the cavs. What were the lakers. Before they had lebron for this time being it was. Oh we're in the lottery. You're the top five. Picking as opposed to winning a title like last year's lebron themselves can be a championship team. we've seen. He went to eighth straight finals with the heat and and cavs by himself not by himself but he was the guy who went to eight straight finals. So you have a brown. He's a championship player. He is a championship team. Essentially now if he was in the executive role and he's not there he's not the player and his eye for the game or talent scouting. Is it still at that. Level is able to go find a guy and bring him in. Could he tell someone. I'm not gonna pay you that deal or that's not the move. We wanna make a franchise. Could he tell that to the star player. Could he swing that deal to. If he's attached the team would that attract someone you look at what kevin durant said before he came to the warriors or after he came to the warriors. And obviously the attraction of going and playing with a guy like steph curry klay thompson at the time draymond green and being a part of that group drew kevin durant dare and he wanted to be a part of that but also it was jerry west being there and the influence of the logo and hearing what jerry had to say made that move even better. Yes steph curry was there and you want to play a guy like staff and the ball movement in the shooting and freedom that golden state provided him but jerry west at influence being attached to the warriors was something that helped them because they had the logo attached to their team. He was helping run things in make moves for them and who what to do when not to do. He's the guy who got credited for saying we should not trade klay thompson for kevin love which was something that was being floated around after the. Was that the seventeen finals. And so you look at it and you go okay. Well would lebron james being an executive with the team would that help draw big name talent or would guys not wanna go there. Because are you always going to be overshadowed by lebron even when his playing career is over even when he's done if you were the star of the team and you're now the best player are you going to be overshadowed. Is that part of the reason. What's happened to the hornets until they. They can't get that big free agent guy. Yeah they're in charlotte so that doesn't help and you're not looking at them as the big free agent destination but if you go there you're in michael jordan shadow. It's the way it is. It's michael jordan now. He's the owner of the team. So that helps that. You're going to be playing for michael jordan and you're not going into a team that's run necessarily by michael full force. Because has he has guys that do the day-to-day things. But you made me look at chicago. They had derrick rose who want an mvp but every guy that gets added to chicago is compared to one player. And that's michael jordan and no one's live up to that because no one else is michael jordan. Now if you go to his team you're going to be looked at as okay. Michael owns this team. He's looking at you. He drafted you to be the guy he sees something in you which can be a huge confidence boost and help guys if they are the task but also that's a lot to burden. That's a lot to carry. If lebron was the owner he was the executive. Would that fuel you more that. He saw something in me that i want to live up to whatever expectations. He's he has or would you crumble under the weight of trying to live up to him choosing you and saying that you are good enough to lead this team or be that top traffic or top free agent signing. It's extremely interesting to think about. And would he make good executive. could he see. Who's the right player. How this team would fit. What could they build together. Could he negotiate with someone and tell them. Hey you're not worth that contract. We're not paying you. That i'm all about player empowerment but you're not worth that money. Could he do that. It'd be it's i would never bet against lebron in doing anything he is talented has been too successful. And maybe he doesn't want any of that. Maybe he doesn't wanna be exact. Maybe it doesn't want to be a coach and he wants to go help build an empire and make movies and tv series of executive produce but he loves the game of basketball and we all know that and it's always a wonder with these all time great guys of what are they gonna do want. Their career is over and for lebron. He still has time to think about that. But judging from what jaanus vote and what he said and while could easily be a joke by honest he was the number one overall. Pick by lebron. So he's going to. Hey you made you made a great choice and great team pick but you look at it and in these all star games. Lebron has picked great team than they are four. No now it'd be a whole different ball game. If he was picking from a pool of rookies free agents. I think in the super interesting to see what would happen. If lebron became an executive cudi following the shadows of the jerry. West of the pat riley's would he want to be an owner like michael jordan. Would that allow him to go. Head to head against jordan once again by two owners who are looked at as the two greatest players in the game they now own teams and could those teams matchup against each other if he went and bought the cavaliers and they knocked out the charlotte hornets. All of it would be super interesting. And i'm here for. And i would love to see what the next phase in his career is and how decides to approach it and so i'm excited and now i hope it takes a little bit of time because i still wanna see lebron james. Play bats while he's still playing at an elite level. I mean he's in the mvp conversation. So i don't think it's in the near future but it's going to be here quicker than we think and i'm excited to see what would be next phase for lebron and could he go and being exactly or an owner or even coach. That's going to do it for. 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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 262: Bucks & Lakers Losses, Timberwolves Struggles

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 262: Bucks & Lakers Losses, Timberwolves Struggles

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. All the scoop need to know from college basketball to the NBA and even March madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball PODCAST However one and thank you for tuning into the GMC MCA basketball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network? I'm your host Isaiah Qudos. We have another great show today. We're going to talk about the NBA's Best S.. Team best teams. Finally losing was all about a team though a struggling another team that is struggling now will highlight the game of the night between the heat and the seventy seventy sixers. I'm talking about the Eastern Conference and we'll do a quick injury update before talking about top performances of the last few days to round out the show. So as jump in the Lakers and the bucks. We've been talking about them a lot. At least I have in the last couple podcasts. They've been the best in the NBA so far and so it seems or it has seemed like they've been untouchable as of late but the bucks lost the other night to the Dallas Mavericks One twenty to one sixteen in this is shocking because the bucks have been so good there are on their home floor and the mavericks were without Luca Donges who we've also talked about a lot. He's one of the star players in the NBA. As of right now. He's rookie year last year. And he's just been the main catalyst for the mavericks this season and to not have him in this game. I thought for sure it was an easy win for the books. Put the mouths of proving to be a team that can be versatile and rely on other players other than Luca Danni age. It's the accusation. Go One mangoes down the next Step up so they have to have that mentality and they did this game. Obviously if they took down the Milwaukee Bucks so we're GONNA go down into a little break down on the game Lobeck back permission. First the Mavericks Greatest Streak that they snapped was twelve and that actually happened twice in two thousand eleven they be the Spurs I and the heat so to great teens back then I believe that was actually the NBA finals that year So for them to break asterix. They've been great teams in the past. Obviously that was a while ago but now they've broken a streak of eighteen games and it all had to do with the way the mavericks came out they they came out hot not from three And they lead the majority of this game actually the bucks were trailing for a long portion of the game couldn't really find any offensive rhythm and then they finally take the lead for the first time in the third quarter and it was it was short lived the mavericks took it back and they pretty much ran away with it. There was a a little scare. The bucks were pointing a foul game. You know kept trying to send the Dallas Mavericks to the line because obviously they had the lead late in the game And the books were playing this game really well Mavericks Miss a couple and then every inbound the bucks took the ball and sprinted up the court and gossip quick buckets quick labs they actually had the ball with five seconds left and they were down by three but they ended up turning it over out of bounds odds and it really just crumbled from their Dallas Mavericks where it will hold on. He they got the win and there are a couple of reasons why this happened. A big big x factor in this game was seth curry. Seth Curry is a player. That can be really good in this league. If given the right opportunity he thought he found it a couple of years ago when he was on the Dallas Mavericks or ready and then he got traded away ended up at the trailblazers where he did a great job there last year especially in the playoffs before the warriors took down but he really was productive for the Blazers and they thought maybe that could be a permanent home from as well going behind Lillard mccollum but obviously. That's an happen vending now. He's ended up here back with the Dallas Mavericks. And he's getting another opportunity and he's taking it he's averaging just nine points at least coming me into this game and two games before this game against them walkie bucks. He had thirty points tonight. He did it again he he backed it up with another great performance. He had twenty six points in twenty one minutes so he was extremely efficient. He had five rebounds and forces. That's coming off the bench so for him to be productive like that coming off. The bench inch is really impressive. Especially since you don't have your top scorer in Luke Donncha so you need people to you know take upon the low. The load upon themselves does and finds ways to find the basket. He is a flame thrower from three point. Land as his family precedes him. Dell Curry obviously a legend from three point land steph curry his brother going to be a future hall of Famer Three Time Champion. One of the best viewpoint shooters ever if not the best. So he's got it in his blood and I it really shows sometimes james you know that he's part of this family to people asleep on him but he's a great player he has if he can find a great opportunity. Maybe can happen. You're with the Mavericks but it was a good foreign tonight. Also porzingas was really really good. He had twenty six points. Twelve rebounds four assists and two blocks and I. I said it a few podcasts ago when I broke down the Dallas Mavericks that a lot of the pressure is put on Luca Danni to carry this team but porzingus is just as good if not better when he's at his peak because of his size and because of his versatility he can actually handle the ball pretty well for how tall he is. He's a big body so he's super aggressive when he goes at the rim especially nowadays because he's bulked up quite a bit he was very tall and lanky kind of how like Yang Yang started. When he came into the League Porzingis? I was pretty much the same way. And then he had that injury so he got set back quite a bit but you know he hasn't really found his rhythm as of yet at least he's not yet but he he shows flashes like I said Twenty Six points in this game twelve rebounds. That's that's a big game for a big big guy and he doesn't in so many different ways he was very aggressive towards the rim. got a bunch of dunks and then he can also extend his range as well. The some of the shots that he took from deep were crazy steph. Curry range in this is like a near seven. Footer possible center mostly a power for possibly a senator who shooting from his deep in for him to do that is just very strange and very unusual but he does it so well that it's it's very impressive We also talked about how because Luca the dodgers gonNA is going down. They would need someone stepping up as the point guard and Jj seems like the obvious choice. He's a veteran. and He's been in this league for while you've been doing it for a while and he's productive. He finds ways to score. He played really well when Luca doctors did go down But he did not play in this game and get some walkie bucks instead it was Brunson who started and he actually was very very active. He had thirteen points and eleven assists. So you can't really ask much more from a backup point guard especially if he gets. It's eleven assists. I mean that's the main job of the point guard at least in the old days is to run the offense in finding open man and get get assists racked up he also added thirteen eighteen points to you. So that's a quiet double double. But he got it and he helped his team to victory. Also during an Fini's Smith added fifteen of his own own and Dhillon right scored thirteen so it was really just a great effort. All around from the Dallas Mavericks and for them to play as well as they did as a team. mm-hmm is the reason why they took down such a great Milwaukee Bucks side and it's and it's no fault at all to to Janos because he had an amazing game. It's really really ashamed that he played as well as he didn't couldn't get the win because he had forty eight points. Fourteen rebounds four assists a steal and block walk. But that was pretty much for the Milwaukee Bucks. The next highest score was korver coming off the bench and he had seventeen. So if Korver's your next highest score you're having an issue especially coming off. The bench covers a great player and he's a great sharpshooter but he doesn't at least not anytime recently he he hasn't been as productive so you can't really expect much from him. He did have a seventeen which is great The next highest score was Ilyasova with eleven and Dan George Hill with ten. So there wasn't a lot of people contributing in terms of big numbers to help out you on this. But this is why they fell fellow short. And you expect more from players especially like Middleton who is an all-star caliber player and who just got a big MACs contracts ex. Well so he's got to live up to that. He's got some pressure on him to to perform and he just didn't tonight. I don't think it's a big deal especially for a team that has has barely lost this year so they probably not thinking too much of it it might be nice actually for them to have this streaks. Not because there's not as much pressure about maintaining a lot of people would do put pressure on that because when you have a sheikh is good as that. You're expected to win all the time. It reminds me a lot of when the Golden State Warriors started twenty four. No there were for a lot of times during that streak where it could have ended a lot sooner than it did but it didn't because they found ways to win but unfortunately the book streak does end at eight team but it was a very great run for them and I don't think they put their heads down after this. This loss definitely not and on the other side the Lakers had opportunity to leapfrog. The Buck says the best team in the NBA. Because the books lost they could finally not be tied in their record standpoint but they lose to the he lost to the Indiana Pacers. And I told you I told you. Last time. They are a dark horse in the league. They can can be extremely good and they have a lot of potential to them Lebron had a near triple double. He had twenty points and nine rebounds and nine Genesis. So there's nothing wrong with what Ron did. He played a great game he probably could have scored a bit more especially with the way that it's just so easy for him to score so easy for him to find line the basket and just get to the rim. It's just so easy for them and also the way that he plays as a point guard is so nice he he has these great lobs up to the Rim and it's easy for him because he's got jail McGee and Dwight Howard slamming them down but some of these passes behind the back over the head. They're they're their exceptional passes for a precise remaking but the amount of skill that he has is the reason why he can pull it off a lot of what I see him do especially in the fast break. It reminds me a lot of Magic Johnson so I think that's very very good comparison at least for the passing wise and Jaanus honest said it best. He honest recently called Lebron an alien. Because it's ridiculous the way that he's playing at thirty four the guy just doesn't slow down. He's in his constant the prime and he shows no no sign of slowing down at all. Maybe last year a little bit. But he's picked right back up. We left off Breakdown breakdown this game just a little bit to the Pacers took the lead for the first time in the third quarter they were trailing for a while and then they went on run where they're up by ten at some point then the Lakers came back on their own and took it back by the end of the third. The Pacers kept inching away. Hey from the Lakers. But they just wouldn't leave. The Lakers kept saying around. They regained the lead with four left. with Danny Green three and and then Howard dunk put them up And late in the Game Brogden respond with a big three. Then thirty six seconds left Brogden with had a very the acrobatic reverse layup right past white Howard which was really really nice to see. 'cause Brogden isn't a really big time player at least hasn't broken out onto the scene get he has had flashes and moments where he can be great and this is one of them for sure. We'll talk a little bit more about him later on Rondo had a potential game-tying. Three Right Rajon Rondo with a game tying three you know that's not GonNa go well. It actually went better than most people would expect aspect. He shot this shot from deep. So I expect an airball but it actually went in and out and so the Pacers hold on for a win a big win against you know a great. La Lakers team And they perform pretty well to all around crusoe had really big minutes. He had eleven points four rebounds and three assists and he was plus nine which was better than a lot of the Lakers players in the game so that was a good sign for him? He has some great passes of Welfare. Those assists Dwight Howard Howard had a crucial had minutes but Howard had bigger minutes. He was ten for ten. Had Twenty points six rebounds and blocks so so he protected the rim. He caught a bunch of lobs and had this one great and one finish. Obviously he didn't make the free throw but for him to finish. angi found fallon was pretty impressive. So Dwight Howard had a really great game but like I said the Pacers held on and they had four starters in double figures so bonus. We'll talk more about his forms later but he had the most points to twenty six. Turner had sixteen points seven rebounds two steals and blocks so he was just all around fantastic tastic on the hardwood Brogden had fourteen points. Five rebounds and six assists hit a big three relate to bring them within two and so oh they're all productive and they put in good shifts and because they played so great as a team a very team. Collective performance is the reason why they beat this team but there is a big button. This game L. A. Lakers did not have Anthony Davis so even though the Pacers played a great game I think that if if the Lakers here's were at full strength and had Anthony Davis A one I've been victory for the Pacers so even though these teams did just lose the talking about the Lakers and end the books. They aren't on as big of a blue streak as this team and no. I'm not talking about the Pelicans so stay tuned and find out who. I'm talking about next hus. He's been making commonsense tools for a long time for the holidays. They still are like one hundred twenty five piece. Mechanic's tool sets it just ninety nine bucks now at the Home Depot with pro axis ratchets that feature an arc swing of three quarters of an inch to Oregon species other ratchets cans and it only only ninety nine bucks that leaves you all kinds of room in your budget. Husky commonsense tool since one thousand nine hundred eighty four exclusively at the home depot. US only valid through December. Thirty first. Are you looking for the very best. NFL and college football podcast then checkout GMC SMC football podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the NFL draft to treats to the rumor mill to the NFL combines. They got got you covered. That's GSM. See PODCASTS DOT com slash football dash podcast get updates on college rivalries key insights and much much the more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show in sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes MC podcast. Food CAN DOT COM for more INFO. Welcome back to the GMC basketball podcast. We just talk about the two juggernauts of the NBA the La Lakers. And the Milwaukee Bucks. They actually lost the game. It's not a big a big deal because these two teams are at the top of the the League so then they have some breathing room as well but for them to lose and a two day span was pretty interesting to see. Especially since the Milwaukee Bucks had an eighteen eighteen game winning streak but that's all right. We're not worried about that too much. We are GonNa talk about a team that has been struggling as of late if you listen to my previous podcast. You'd probably guessed the Pelicans but no. It's the timber wolves who lost to the PELICANS. So let's give some back info. I this is a big deal Tim. Rules have been struggling Started up pretty well. A lot of people were surprised with how productive towns wiggins have been Wiggins is a guy that a Lotta people hailed could be a big superstar in this league and just hasn't really lived up to that expectation. He's kind of been flirting with the idea of being a star in in this league But he's he started out pretty well at the beginning of the season. Same with cat. He's such a big Guy and has a lot of elements to his game that can make him him. Probably one of the best centers in this league if he had An outside shot. Especially but yeah these were killing it. Pretty pretty well. In the beginning they were ten. And eight for a minute They beat teams like the nets. The Heat Wizards Jazz So they're getting some pretty good victories against Pretty good opponents as well. But we're I'm not really sure what happened to them. They've lost seven straight now and worst worst of all they just lost. The PELICANS who were on I believe a thirteen game losing streak And this Minnesota team also lost twice to the grizzlies who really they have. No one but John Moran and a couple pieces around him but the grizzlies on how a lot going for them so to loose them twice. It's kind of interesting to see especially because because the timber wolves they have a squad. I mean their offense is pretty good. It's six in the league. Apparently with about a hundred fourteen points per game but their biggest the problem is on the defensive end their ranks twenty third and defense and give a hundred and eighteen points per game which is third worst in the NBA. So you are scoring a lot on the offensive then but if you're not stopping them on the defensive end and you're giving up a hundred eighteen points there's no way that you're going to outscore them. I mean they are scoring fourteen points per game which is impressive but to give up one hundred eighteen just means it's poor defense and in this. NBA teams. You're GonNa Torch you like that. So like I said they do have of a decent squad I think Jeff Teague is a player that has been underwhelming. I think he can be a lot more than what he shows right now. He has fourteen point four points. Two Point Eight rebounds. Six point eight assists on the season which are decent stats but for a starting point guard in this league at this point it's turned into a point guards league so he needs to be a little more productive than that wiggins we talked about it has been pretty productive this year. He has twenty five points. Five point one rebounds and three point three assists I still think he can go another level that five point one rebounds can definitely go up he can definitely crash the boards a little more help out his boy cat who has been killing it this year. He's averaging in double double. He has twenty six point five points. Eleven point seven rebounds and four point four assists so cat has been produce news producing and he's been doing well but without you know team chemistry and a team around you. You'RE NOT GONNA get very far in this. I think that's why they're probably going on a seven game losing streak as of right now they also have pieces like Joshua Kogi who could be good Robert Covington Jarrett Culver and Napier to. Who's are pretty good? Backup Point Guard so they have decent pieces to be successful But I feel like it's never really been a good situation in Minnesota. I'm not really sure what it is but there's always just windass dark cloud over them especially As of late the years with wiggins and towns Anti to be fair and even when Derrick rose was there as well I think a lot of times. This seems been hyped up. They think that they're about to make a break to be one of the best teams in the NBA. But something always hold Oakland back. And I'm not sure exactly what it is. Maybe it's just not a winning mentality But nevertheless nola gets a dub they finally snapped their losing streak we talked about their woes last pot guests and it's nice to see that they had a change of fortune. I mean it's it's definitely important for a team that's on on such a big losing streak to finally get that win. Get that monkey off their back and just find ways to be productive now and move forward move past this now. It's now it's in the past and just look forward to the future and what they're doing so hopefully they can build off this win and be a team that you know people are expected to be a lot better than they are now. NOLA was coming off off Alost Brooklyn then we had a great game in that game and stop them so tonight was a different story. Obviously Brandon Ingram led the way he had thirty four points six rebounds five assists three steals in one block. That is the type of performance I think can be expected of him. I've talked about it before he's had comparisons To Kevin Durant. I don't necessarily see them. But if he's productive like this and finds ways to score and a numerous amount of ways whether it's his post game going in and driving to the basket fading away hitting threes. Whatever may be if he can put up points like this obviously Chrissy? It's tough to score thirty four. But if he averaged around twenty five to twenty nine points per game I think that's manageable for him and with his length and with his size I think he could definitely bulk up as well start. Crashing the offensive boards a little more six rebounds per game is a little low for a guy his size I think Five assists is pretty impressive. Impressive though because I don't necessarily see him handling the ball that much so that just means he's giving that extra pass the teams Three Theo's that's that's a great performance So I I really think he could be something. Great in this League drew holiday. He's always consistent. He put an eight point. Eighteen point three six and three rebounds rettig also added twelve after sitting out last game due to a groin injury. So it's probably good for him to get that rest make sure his body's right and then he's one of the sharp excuse me one of the sharpshooters in this league as well who just finds ways to score and he's a marksman you give him the ball behind three point land. He's GonNa Knock it down favors. He only had six points in this game but he did have a block and eleven rebounds so the big man did put in shifts in played his part in this game Lonzo had decent stats ten points. Six rebounds six assists coming off the bench which I think is pretty impressive For him to get into double figures I think he definitely score a little more and if he gets more minutes he could definitely give more dimes. But that's a pretty solid performance from him and then another eleven from from heart. I think this this was a really good team Victory just like how it was against the Milwaukee Bucks for the Mavericks. It's team victories. That are GONNA lead to success and so it was really. It's probably really nice for them to get away from that losing streak the real reason why I think they lost the Minnesota the loss excuse me is because they shot terrible absolutely terrible they. They shot thirty seven point. Nine percent from the field and twenty five point six percent from three they also miss ten free throws and they lost by eight. So you do the math. I think they they would have won if they made all their free throws but going back to those percentages of you shoot under forty percent from the field. You're not giving yourself a good chance to be successful and twenty five percent percents from three and a League where the three ball is as important as it is at this point. There's no way you're GONNA win any games like that. So it's really tough for Minnesota Otas while I'm sure But there's definitely a lot of potential in Minnesota if they could just find ways to be more productive. Be Be a little bit better on the defensive in. I mean you're giving up a lot of points to a team. That's been struggling which makes no sense. New Orleans has been terrible this year and they still gave up a whole bunch of points and lost the game so not sure you know when the timber wolves are going to turn things things around if they ever are but a team that has turned things around at least for this season. Is the Miami Heat. Aubrey their their game. Down against the seventy sixers coming up next next check out the show that's built on the from. UFC Not too extreme cage. Fighting they got the fights covered. Check out the GS MCI MMA. PODCAST get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join US as as we talked to in about some of the biggest names in the past president future when it's the fight game there's just one show to checkout. GSM SEE PODCASTS S.. Dot Com backslash. Mame dadge podcast. Don't forget to leg among facebook and follow them on twitter busy. GS MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO love. Welcome back to the GMC basketball podcast. We just talked about how Minnesota has been struggling this year as of late. At least they're on a seven game losing streak right now and to make matters worse they just lost to the New Orleans. Pelicans one have been atrocious. especially as as of late I think they were on a thirteen game. Losing losing streak that just got snap so it can't get worse for Minnesota Right now And I'm not sure when they're gonNA turn things around but the heat have turned things around and they've got it going on right now. At least this season they have been tremendous. I mean it's kind of reckless. How good they've gone and the haven't really acquired that many pieces to make them that good but I think they just have great team? Chemistry and their rookies really are shining But they did have a big game in the east. They were playing the seventy sixers if he has tuned into my last podcast. They were both in the category of WHO's hot versus. WHO's not they were high on my list for teams that were that are haunting the league right now there? They were two and three coming into this into this match up to three in the east and so I think in a match like this I was definitely thinking that the seventy sixers Adam. I said it last week. I put my put Miami. Farther down the seventy sixers on my rankings. Just because I don't think they have what it takes his sustain a fool eighty two game season and beat this competitive but clearly they listen to my podcast and they were pissed so they went off and beat the seventy sixers team. That should be second in in the East at probably at the end of it title but they had a great game it was the final score was one eight one zero four and this was a crazy crazy game This actually ended ebbing the seventy sixers first home loss which I thought was pretty impressive That they haven't lost at home yet. Definitely WanNa make your home court a fortress and they they had that going on for them but he the heat use a big second quarter to take a lead that they were pretty much. Just hold onto until the very end of the game. They scored thirty thirty seven in the second quarter after trailing and they went up by eight at the half and a lot of what the heat we're doing in this game they just had great ball movement movement. They had opportunities where they could score but they pass it one more time to player. That was even more open and they just really found good ways to get to the basket and get easy buckets which made it easier for them to balloon the lead to sixteen in the fourth quarter Especially when Kendrick Nunn fired or three from deep and out of bio as well had another great game. He's really coming known. This season the seventy sixers were down four with a little over a minute to play a and Derek Jones. Junior hit a big three over Horford to extend the legal more. Make it a little more comfortable sixers. Were still fighting. Thing as Simmons stole the ball and embiid finished it off with an an one but he didn't miss the free throw Harris had a really big three three late late in the game for the seventy sixers and they were down to our Horford. Had a chance to take the lead but he actually ended up missing And it had a big rebound from outta bio. Here's boxing out embiid. And I'll tell you why that's a really big really big thing for out of bio to do because embiid beat had a monster game especially on the boards. He had nineteen rebounds so brought a bio two box out embiid on fend off a player. That's been playing ridiculously well. The season is definitely a big moment for him and it was clutch as well Every stat between in these two teams were very even when it came to field goals may three pointers made free throws made assists and etc.. The difference between them was the efficiency of the heat. They shot forty seven percent from the field goal range versus forty forty one percent for the seventy sixers and they shot thirty eight point seven percent from three versus thirty percent from three for the seventy sixers so they really really were just a lot more efficient with their shots. Aching probably better shots as well like I said they were moving the ball really well finding good open shooters and getting easy bucket so that it definitely helps your average and I bet you. That's why then ended up winning this game but it's no fault of the seventy sixers. Their starting five really performed and being especially hit twenty points nineteen rebounds like I said before had three assists and he also had two blocks steel. So we talked about a lot last. PODCAST podcast how the seventies lost the game. But they didn't have Joel embiid and I said that that's a big reason why they lost because he's just a big impact player. I mean when you have a guy that can score twenty two points at nineteen rebounds to that. You can't really replace that. I mean players can definitely step up but to have one player. Do all of that is astronomically. Important to your success in one thousand nine rebounds is unheard of. He almost got a twenty twenty game which for a big man would be really impressive But his impact in the game is definitely missed whenever he's not in their unfortunately it wasn't enough enough to get the win tonight but it just it just speaks his greatness to come back into the game and scored twenty two points and get nineteen. Boards is a great game for him. Ben Simmons he had seventeen points six rebounds six assists two steals and one blocks. He was extremely productive as well. A very great overall all around game. I definitely think he starts needs to start scoring more because they don't have a pure score on their our team so the need to put it in different they need to get it from different places and embiid is only going to be doing so much. Because you know he's a senator he's not going to have the ball in his hands that much and you don't WanNa play a lot of ice. Oh Ball especially down low but I think Simmons can is a player. That's athletic enough aggressive enough and big enough to to be able to drive to the basket and get more And get to the line more even though he's not a great shooter. I still think it's important to get there and get fouled and get the opportunity party do so so I think Simpson definitely boost up his numbers in that sense. He probably can get more assists as well. He's got the most carries on the team. So six assists is a little little low for him. It's still productive night though Tobias Harris had a great game as well he had twenty points Four rebounds and two assists so so that's a pretty productive game. I think he can definitely help out more on the boards only four rebounds went unbeaten had nineteen. So maybe that's why Harrison had that many rebounds because impede with eating them all but I still think he he's a big guy he can definitely get down low and blocks out some people and get some more boards for his team. I think Josh. Richardson played really well too. He had seventeen points five rebounds six assists and one block that's extremely productive from him and can't really complain about that But they had five people coming off the bench and their total points. Tally was nineteen. Point is just not enough. They didn't have enough productivity heavy from the bench. And that's a big reason why you know. They couldn't push for anything more. They had to keep playing their starters. And maybe they burned out by in But on the other side of the ball in the heat played really well Kendrick Nunn in particular had a fantastic game and he let me remind you guys. He's just a rookie. So he's he played really well in this. The game had twenty six points. Four rebounds and five assists with a steel and he was four from mate from three. He was shooting fifty percent from three and he had a plus minus of plus nineteen so to be that productive. When he's on the court is definitely a good sign for the rookie? He had a great game amen. He's definitely starting to really battle John Mirant for the title of rookie of the year. It's obviously a long season. There's a lot of bass off. I love to play. But he's really coming into his own and definitely going to challenge for that rookie of the year title. Adebayo had another great game as well. Twenty three points. The nine rebounds five assists with two steals and two blocks so he didn't on both ends of the floor. He got buckets. He got boards and he also also protected the Rim two blocks at the rim The game clinching rebound after boxing out embiid so he just had a monster performance ormuz. I really think he has a lot of potential to be great in this league. And he's showing. He's turned to really improve and because the heater doing so well. There's a lot more attention mentioned on him and it's definitely valid because he's been playing really. Well Duncan Robinson also added fifteen points. Jimmy Amy Butler had fourteen points. Seven rebounds five assists with two steals You definitely would expect Jimmy Butler of all people to score a lot more. But he has these games where he starts to take a backseat to what's going on. And Kinda just see where else he can impact the game. He doesn't necessarily shoot. Shoot a law in this game. He shot five for eleven which is why he only had fourteen points. But I still think a player like Jimmy Butler especially on a young Miami Heat team needs to be more aggressive. He needs to go at the basket. He needs to find different ways to shoot. Get to the line. Because he is an all star caliber player and so he needs to be the leader for this team and even though he impacted in different ways by gaining seven boards adding five assists. What have you? He needs to be more productive in the points category. If this Miami team WANNA sustain what they've been doing Since the beginning of the season They did have three people coming off the bench and they scored twenty four so twenty four from three players coming off the vent bench versus Scoring nineteen off the bench for the seventy sixers that plays a factor as well and yet the Miami Heat take it away. Derek Jones junior especially at thirteen point six and six rebounds and hair off the bench is well. He almost had a very quiet triple double he had nine points. Eight rebounds and seven assists and let me remind you again. He's also a rookie and he has been great this year. A lot of people talking about him and how he's been a great flame thrower from behind the ARC. So He's another another reason. Why this Miami? He's doing so well but I still stand by what I said. I'm not completely sold on the heat. Just yet they have decent players and have good team chemistry but I still think the seventy sixers are better. They under perform a lot to be honest. But the seventy sixers can definitely make a push to be a team in his league. These two are juggernauts agronaut in the east and are pretty close from Pretty close from a record standpoint. So just how close is the entire east. I'll tell you after this. Check out this show built around the women of MMA from the UFC to extreme cage fighting. We got the fights. Cover the golden state media concepts. Women's Emma made podcast. The latest news of upcoming fights discussions of previous matches. Join us as we talked to about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts past present and future when it's the women's game you know we're to listen to the golden state media concepts women's MMA podcast Welcome back to the GMC basketball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. We just broke down to great east teams at least for this year. The Miami Heat in seventy sixers. They squared off an early postseason matchup doc To See you know which team is better in the East right now at least from just this game standpoint And and we obviously know that they're at the top but what else is going on in the east. We talk a bit about a bit ago. About how the West is super close to through five. We talked about it in my very first podcast but the east is really close to at the top there. The Milwaukee Bucks. That's a no brainer. There really really good. There are twenty four and four right now they score one hundred twenty one points per game per game and give up one hundred eight points per game for differential of plus twelve point nine. That's an absolute dominant team. If you're in first place in your winning all your gains by at this margin it speaks to their greatness and they did just lose like we talked about earlier in this podcast. But that really doesn't matter. It's not a big deal. It's very early on the season and there are eighty two games in this season. I don't think they're going to sweat it if they lose one game. Especially since there on eighteen game losing streak and so that's that's behind them They're not really worried about that As of right now Boston is instead again. They're eighteen and seven and the reason they're a seconds because they have the least amount of losses compared to people that are behind them with more wins they are seven and three in their last ten games and they just beat the Mavericks Rick's Who Don't have Luca Danni But still this was a really big game for them Kemba is leading in points and genesis. Twenty three point one and five point three respectively so he's been really productive. I think we've talked about this just a little bit. Celtics awesome team that can be a force in the east if they get the right chemistry going the right productivity from the right people and Campbell is definitely you know has to be. The leader of. This team was Cairo last year. But the chemistry didn't really work amongst the team with him at the helm and so they wanted to switch things things up after Kyrie left and camera was the perfect guy for this. I think I think he's been another guy. That's been floating around stardom He had a lot of great moments at Charlotte. ELLIPOID never had pieces around him and now that he's at the Celtics. There's a reason why he's doing so well and they are in second place right now is because he's at the helm and I think he is a great leader and for them. Not just beat the Mavericks I think is a big sign. Even if they don't have don's fish because they're still force out in the West I also. Aw I also think that Jason Tatum can be a star in this league. His rookie year campaign was one to really follow. Because just how much hype there was around him. Donovan Mitchell and Ben Simmons the three legged race between those three was crazy. I mean a literally could have gone any direction and I think people would have been fine with it because they all had great seasons Definitely didn't expect them to be that good even even if he was a number three pick in the draft He really has came into his own. Carry them in the playoffs last year when he when Kyrie went down so they really looked to him him to take on the load. Obviously they didn't make it that far but for him to be the guy that the go-to for as young as he is is definitely a good sign for what he can bring in the future right now. He's averaging twenty point six points per game seven rebounds and two point nine assists per games James. So He's definitely you know in that transitional period where he can go from really good role player to a star player and a leader on this team. And I think it's important that he has a player like Kemba Walker on his team. Who is definitely a pass? First type of point guard He obviously creates his own shots. It's but he's GonNa be feeding Jason Tatum for years to come. I think Jalen Brown is another one that I think is floating around superstardom. At least for the last three I seasons right now. He's averaging nineteen point three points. Six point nine rebounds and two point two assists. He has a lot of pieces that can make him a great player player in this league. I think he's just lacking consistency. And maybe some confidence at times nineteen point. Three points per game is definitely not high enough for player of Jaylen Brown's stature especially since he was pushing to have a Max contract from the Boston Celtics. So if you WANNA contract like that you had to put numbers like that and I don't think he's just there yet but he definitely has a lot of potential. He's still pretty young and there's a lot of upside to them so the Celtics are pretty good with him. As well. Gordon Hayward is another player who could be great on this Celtics team. When he's healthy he hasn't been the same since his days of the jazz where he was a force to be reckoned with? Probably one of the best players in this league and when he went to the Celtics originally people thought it's over the Celtics are going to be the ones to take down the warriors and be a team that's going to be dominated for years to come but he just hasn't been the same since his Big Injury but when he gets back there plus all the players players that I've mentioned before for the Celtics they're going to be dangerous. They also have Marcus Smart. WHO's really good? They also had his cancer. Who I think was a really good pickup He's obviously not going to be a big number guy but he can be productive coming off the bench. She's got seven point nine points and six rebounds to add you know here and there so I definitely think that's that's a good pick up to They have ways of beating the big teams as well this year. They've been the Mavericks The nuggets the heat and the bucks early on their one of the first people to beat them they also beat the Toronto Raptors and every time that they lose. It's really close contest so this this team is really really competitive and this is the reason why they're in second place. I think they can probably end up in the top three in the east if they stay consistent enough As of right now the heat are in third. They'd been very consistent and we kind of broke them down a little bit When we talked about they're game against the seventy sixers and they're doing really really well? This season Kendrick Nunn like I said coming into his own Herro as well. Another great rookie. Perreault perreault hero great rookie Added bio coming into his own and Jimmy Butler. If you have Jimmy on your team you have a competitive team because he has has a big competitive nature. We've heard before and you know he's he's GonNa make this team really work really become a great team. I think They also are doing all of this right now without dragic who will be their starting point guard. And winslow who can definitely add a lot whether he's starting or coming off the bench so they have a lot of good pieces and they can be very dangerous on the Toronto Raptors next they are nineteen eight and are in fourth worth but they could be in second or third with just a game play and they're only in front of the seventy six right now because they have less losses They have their fifth in defensive rating their great defensive team. They don't do a lot of other things exponential exponentially will but but they do everything consistent and they do it well enough to win games and because they're so good defensively that's good enough vanfleet really broke out on on the playoffs last year Especially in the series against the words he torched them and played really well and he hasn't really slowed down this year either. He's got eighteen point three eighteen points per game. Three point seven rebounds per game and seven assists and. He's he's coming off the bench. She's is your backup point guard. and He's total said he can shoot these crazy three pointers as well. That are just getting shot up into the stratosphere coming back down and making the big rainbow shots but seems always make him and his when he drives to the Rim as well even if he's small and you think he's GonNa get blocked. He's very crafty. He finds ways the kiss off the glass and get down so he's been very productive. COURY obviously the starting point guard Staple for the raptors. He's he's a little overrated in my opinion I've never really thought he's been that great but obviously a lot of people do he's been an all star for many two years in and stats. Don't lie so I can't really hate. He's got nineteen points. Seven point one assists with four point seven rebounds so that's pretty productive productive. I mean that's that's kind of the numbers you want from your your point guard. I think he definitely can increase his productivity in terms of his points. Nineteen points team too low low for for him especially since he should be shooting more now that he's pretty much the guy they give the ball to at this point but simply WanNa says is pretty good Norman Powell is having a career This is the most points he's average in a season or the most points. The average in a season was eight point six but right now he's averaging fourteen point six plus almost four rebounds per game which is up from his career average of two point three. So I mean it's it's another sign of losing big quality player and seeing who's GonNa step up next. They lost Kawhi Leonard. Who was everything to this team at least last last year? He was a big reason why they were so good in the playoffs. A big reason why. They're so competitive because he quite Leonard is a player that I can do everything on the four so now Norman Powell is getting a better opportunity and you see his career. Averages are he's going over all all his career averages because he's getting more productivity so that's definitely a good sign to see for the raptors But the guy on this team is Pascal. CEAC whom he had a breakout Out Year last year. And he's now has twenty five points. Eight point two rebounds and three point six assists so he's having a great year in any other year he probably would be having. MVP cattle caliber year. But people are just going off this year. They don't really know what's going on with Pascal. CEAC is a player player that you can do it all. He finds ways to score in the most unorthodox ways although he does have a lot of clean technical will and footwork ability as well but some of the fatal as he hits is just very very impressive to see He's also such such force on the Defensive End He can guard all five positions. He reminds me a lot of draymond. Green in terms of guarding five positions. He's he's just a little leaner than green is he's got great length through and so you can get some blocks get some steals. And he's a real big reason why this team is so competitive. They also added Marcus soul which I thought when they did that that it was over because Markelle soul is a player that is very very good. I mean green his years on the Grizzlies He was a big reason why they were so good. Him and Conley were a great tandem. And the Christie's were always in the playoffs because of those is to But obviously he's a lot older now so he's not as productive. He's got six point eight points. Six Point Eight rebounds and three point five assists so they're not great eight numbers from somebody. I expected to be their starting center but a person that is picking up the slack is Serge Ibaka Serge Ibaka has has twelve point three point seven point one rebounds and one point three assists and he's pretty old too so he him bring. This productive is a great sign to see. He's he's it's been a very good player for the raptors and he's been there for a couple of years now and he just a good veteran presents for this team especially when they just WanNa Championship. So everyone's going to go after after them And I think you know having a player like him definitely calms them down we round out with seventy sixers and fifth Which we've talked about a lot already? And then Indiana Pacers are in six and we broke them down earlier when discussing their game against the Lakers. To me there are darkhorse team. There are really good team other teams To look out for in my opinion or the nets who are getting Kyri back to talk more about that in a bit And there were already playing really well. And they're seven so they can definitely be a dangerous team. The Wizards as well are under performing. In my opinion they can do better especially with the player like Bradley beal. He's averaging twenty seven point eight points per game. Four point seven rebounds and seven assists. He's still a very productive still an all-star caliber player He can't really do it all by itself he does have Isaiah. Thomas who is kind of making a comeback Doc. I mean he obviously is not what it used to be at the Boston Celtics. He was phenomenal that year Before they traded him for Kyri which I still think is really messed up but he was. You know fantastic that season. He's nowhere near that anymore but he he is putting up pretty decent numbers He's got thirteen point. Two points and five point one assists per game in this year. So it's pretty good The Pistons I think could be really good. They have drumming they have Blake Griffin. And they have Reggie Jackson actually be a big three right there. I'm not really sure what's wrong with them. I think maybe has to do with their chemistry but really not sure what the chocolate out for that the bulls could be potentially good especially because they have Zach Levine. He's a player that has the ability just to takeover game Whenever he decides to so definitely interesting to see going back to the Washington Wizards for a second? They don't have John Wall which is a big reason why they're not as good as they can. NB and he doesn't get back until May so that definitely hurts. But the wizards still have some decent pieces to be competitive in my opinion But speaking of having wall out for a while other teams have been losing players due to injuries. But how much is it affecting them. Stay tuned tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast uncast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. 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They're all separated by a game or less so it's definitely interesting to see how that will turn out to be eighty two games after the season's over Now we're kind of switching gears you're GonNa talk about some injuries happening around the League on. Give a little updates on that that otto porter. Jr. He's coming back January fifteenth from a foot injury. The Bulls are eleventh in the East right now. An when auto porter Jr. is the highest paid player on the team so any only played nine games this year so you would think that having a player like him back could definitely so help especially help Zac Levin who has been pretty much a one man show down in Chicago. I mean. He's got rookie. Kobe white and a couple of other pieces marketing as well but no real like superstars and so having Otto Porter Jr. back and contribute some numbers his numbers early on weren't that great great eleven point two points three point four rebounds and one point six assists but if he's getting paid as much as he is he definitely should be a lot more productive and joining a team that can be scrappy and can find ways to win definitely will will benefit from having him. Back Karl Anthony. Towns sounds actually out with a knee injury right now He should be expected back soon. He is a player. That is a lot like Joel. EMBIID I mean if he's I'm not playing for his Minnesota team. They're going to be struggling because of his impact. He scores Twenty six point. Five points per game. Eleven point seven rebounds per game and four point four assists So he having those numbers dropped from your squad is always GonNa Always GonNa hurt. I mean he's averaging a double double like like we talked earlier in the podcast so he's definitely a player that can take over a game and be very productive so it'll be nice to have him back soon. Marcus Seoul we talked a little bit about Has a hamstring injury and Vanfleet has a knee injury. They're both expected back pretty soon soon but having those two out definitely hurts like I said I think Seoul has been underperforming. He has slowed down quite a bit from his his best best His not averaging a lot of points per game anymore but he definitely has a player that can flip the switch and just produce out have nowhere so having him available at the very least a would definitely help and then family like we talked about. He's a stud. He's he's really broken out and become a player that is fighting for minutes and the reason why he's not getting as many minutes as he can is because calories standing in front of him so having them to back Willie make the Toronto Raptors better and they're already doing pretty well on the eastern now switching over to the west coast. Eric Gordon He's still out with a knee injury and he won't be coming back until the New Year Erik. Gordon is you know has been a staple for the Houston Rockets. As of late the last few years he's been a guy who has been in contention for the sixth man of the year for a while. Now the rockets voice has been pretty good and having him come off. The bench has been a luxury for them because he's been very consistent finds ways to score. He's a big pit bull but without him it hurts. Because you only have James Harden Russell Westbrook those two obviously going to be very productive but then after that Cappella has moments where he can be really good But you can't rely on. PJ Tucker to get you a bunch of buckets. So Eric Gordon's gotta be that guy. He has been pretty low compared to his career stats. He's actually way down in those. Those categories right now. He's averaging ten point nine points per game one point nine rebounds and point eight assists which is really bad. He's shooting thirty point. Nine percent from the field and twenty eight point four percent from three. I think what this is is just because he started off a little slow. We're still pretty early on into the NBA season and so we know how productive if he can be he. We know he could definitely shoot the three better than twenty eight point. Four percent and shoe better from the field and thirty point nine percent. But it's still early on the season and he's had these injuries so I don't think you should read too much into his. His average is right now because he will pick it up and they will start rolling and the Houston Rockets can can be extremely dangerous in the west coast another team on the west coast. The Sacramento Kings just got two big players back. Darren Fox Fox and Marvin Bagley Bagley came back. I And Fox just recently came back. They did just lose but to have these two players back on Sacramento Kings team game. That has been pretty competitive. This season quietly. They've been quietly competitive. This season is really important. Because Darren Fox makes this team go. Oh they play at his pace and he is one of the fastest players in the League if not the fastest so to play at his face definitely helps he's got Great ability to get to the basket with his pace. He's got good ball handling skills and find ways to to find outlets as well after he's gone underneath the basket and he's just a great player. Overall Marvin Bagley as well very productive finds ways to impact. Well his mid range game is really good In his inside post game as well But Yeah I think the Sacramento Kings can definitely be a dark horse in the Western Conference If they get the right the right chemistry the right movement going forward and having Fox and Bagley back definitely helps Kyri had a shoulder injury. And he's coming back very soon. That's big news for the. That's because they've been doing pretty well without him and so to add another twenty six points or whatever he's averaging right now can only help their cause unless they get another situation like the Celtics. But I don't feel like that's going to happen with the nets because he just seems to be in a better place especially now that he's with his Buddy Kevin under ramp he just seems happier so I think the nets will start taking off indefinitely. start going up the rankings in the Eastern Conference Like we talked about Goran. Dragic is coming back. He had groin injury. I think that's going to be a big help. Gordon Hayward has been out and Marcus. SMART has been out but they're both coming back back to a celtics team. That is already playing really well. They weren't serious injuries. At least not smart. His was just an eye eye injury on Gordon Hayward coming back from a foot injury so if he's able to be productive Marcus smart can add what he adds. I think they can be a very competitive team. Especially since Marcus. Smart is such a great defender and Gordon Hayward can be lethal on offense when he wants to be and lastly Conley had had an hamstring hamstring Issue and he's going to be missing multiple games. I think that hurts the jazz even though like I talked about. He has been underperforming I definitely think he he can be a player that could be high impact and find ways to help young this young team The jazz they can definitely be a force If they they find the right rhythm A topic. I Kinda WanNa touch upon just because it's been in the news David Stern has been hospitalized and the NBA put out a statement says NBA. Commissioner David Stern remains remains in serious condition falling emergency surgery to address the sudden brain hemorrhage on Thursday. He is receiving great care and surrounded on a by his loved ones the family everyone at the NBA appreciate incredible outpouring of support. Our thoughts and prayers remain with David and his family. Now David Stern was than be a commissioner from nineteen eighty four to two thousand fourteen and he was an amazing amazing pioneer. Let's say because he really shaped the NBA into what it is today and you can see the the way that players talk about him and appreciate everything he's done because he really helped push the NBA forward he even helped push the WNBA Ford. It is well and he really made the league popular. He really pushed it and found a way to market it to where people founded exciting something people would want to watch and he also help extended to make it a global game as well so you know a lot of people didn't take NBA seriously. They didn't it wasn't America's America's pastime like baseball but now now it's a huge huge huge market I think he had a lot to do with the evolution of brands. Iran's and every player you know having their own individualistic touch to what the NBA was in what it represented He also he made the League all about the stars and how they wanted to be different. I think I can't remember who said it. I was listening to someone. Talk about David Stern recently and they said that there wouldn't be an Allen Iverson if he decided to play baseball because they wouldn't have that kind of freedom to be who you are and Alan Iverson is iconic so David Stern definitely helped push this league forward really made it what what it is today. And you know Dawson prayers out to him and his family and I hope and I'm sure the whole Mba family hopes that he has a speedy recovery in that he does recover. Well But yeah he's he's an amazing person and he was probably the greatest commissioner the NBA or any sports Association has had so I definitely just wanted to touch on that for a little bit And send some thoughts and prayers to his family and him as well when we return way will wrap wrap up the show and talk about some performances of the week. So we'll be right back after this. Are you looking to get your college football fixed. Looking to get the latest news on your favorite schools team the Diaz Mc College. Football podcast is your ticket. It's all things college football. Join us as we talk college football from the National Championship. The college rivalries the bowl game to the heisman trophy to which converts birds is the best. We've got you covered for the big ten as these the big twelve PAC twelve. ACC and everything in between download the GMC MC college football podcast on Itunes Stitcher soundcloud. Google play or anywhere you find podcasts just tied GS NC in the search bar mark. Welcome back to the GMC basketball podcast. We just talked about some injury updates happening around the league and just how much of an impact it has because during seasons like this there are GonNa be injuries as obviously and it's GonNa hurt your team and and sometimes it makes your team better it. It shows what you're able to do with adversity in. Just show your versatility. As a team and finding ways to be successful and talking about being successful there were some great performances of the week. We started off with Chris Paul. He beat with the thunder. Obviously they beat Chicago a couple of days ago. One nine one. Oh six and Chris. Paul had thirty points ten rebounds eight assists and two steals And and that was up against thirty nine point outing from Levin so Chris Paul Indefinitely he didn't score as many points but he was super productive. Had A double double a near triple double. He had gone to more assists and he was kind of turning back the clock. Because Chris. Paul has these moments where he's fantastic but he hasn't shown it consistently for a while because he is getting older and he's on this thunder team now. That just feels a little more relevant now that Russell Westbrook has left them so for him to put on a performance against Chicago team that has been very scrappy in in has a great starring Jack Levin. I think it deserved a shoutout. And he played an extremely great game Rj Barrett as well. The Knicks destroyed the Hawks six and a game. That really didn't matter for the whole landscape of the League because these two are at the bottom of the east but the knicks destroyed the hawks so really. The Hawks Hawks are the worst team in the east. Right now They lost one forty three one. Twenty how do you give up one hundred and forty three points the knicks. That's what I want to know. I just really WanNa Really Wanna I know that Rj Barrett shot seventy eight percent and was ten from thirteen from the field. He had twenty seven points and six boards. It's so the rookie really showed out. He had a he had a really good game so he might be trying to insert himself back into the rookie of the year race. And I think that he can he can Dan. I mean He. He said in his interview when he first got drafted by the Knicks that he wanted the bright lights of Madison Square Garden and Games like this. If he is able to be a consistent player in put a numbers like this he can definitely do that indefinitely be successful but the next have a lot to do before he even gets anywhere so Malinche Melik monk Also had a great game he shot seventy five percent and had twenty three points and ten rebounds and four assists in a win against the Sacramento Kings. WHO Like I said have been very good and digits good? Dr Fox back. So I think that was very impressive. Game And an impressive performance a double doubles always going to get highlighted and to shoot seventy five percent from the field is even more impressive so hats off to leak monk Boyong Bogdonovich. He played extremely well. The other night scored thirty points on fifty percent shooting with fire rebounds and five assists add to that so he hit a thirty five and five game. I mean if that's GonNa be anything it was that's a great great stat line and it was in a win and so even better Kemba Walker. He led the Celtics over the mavericks tonight. Wednesday night One nine one. The three with thirty two points fi rebounds and three assists. I've talked a lot about Kemba Walker already. But you know for him to lead his team to victory over a team. That can be very very dangerous in the West. Even without Luca Danni which I think it's a it speaks to his greatness and scoring thirty two points as is pretty good. I expect him to be in the high twenty's at least for his average for an average so this was a good game for him. Nikola Yokich who. I've been kind of tough on at least so far my podcast. I've been saying that he's been very underwhelming but he had a very good performance against their Linda. Magic and the nuggets beat them hundred thirteen to one zero. Four Yokich added eighteen points nine rebounds and twelve assists so he had a double double almost triple double got another rebound which I think is really funny that rebounds the category that he missed out on for a triple double because he's such a big guy and he's your center so he's around the basket a a lot I feel like he can definitely have at least twelve boards a game. He could definitely average that much but for him to get twelve as center just speaks to his great great passing ability. He can do it from the top of the key from behind the arc from underneath the basket and people rolling off them. He can do it in pick him roles he's just he's really really versatile and these are the type performances that the League expects in that I expect to see Serge Ibaka. We talked about him earlier. He's been a very high impact player on the Toronto Raptors. Especially since Marcus all has kind of been underwhelming box really stepped up and played really well. they beat Detroit. One twelve to ninety nine and Serge. Ibaka had twenty five points and thirteen rebounds with two assists so twenty five and thirteen. That's pretty impressive. Especially since coury probably has the bombs hands a lot paseo come as well has has a lot of ball touches. Such is but for him to put up twenty five points and then grabbed thirteen teams. Well hats off to him. That's a great performance Drummond had a good performance. Wellhead twenty two you points and eighteen rebounds game let me say it again. Twenty two and eighteen rebounds. That's a big game for a big man And it's funny. Because he had such a great game and such a great stat line but Joel embiid has do him one better because he had twenty two points and nineteen rebounds so just one more rebound better Markkanen had a great performances. Well he had thirty one points and nine rebounds and a one ten one nine win over the wizards to really close contest and a team. Like I said is that it's been underwhelming. Is the wizards and for them. To lose by one. Point is pretty tough but mark mark and definitely helped with that putting up thirty one and nine. It's great great performance and then Damian Lillard. He did go off let me just say he did go off against the Golden State Warriors though. So it's not that impressive because the words have been straight garbage all season nine gonNA sugar coated at all. But Yeah Damian Lillard it had thirty one points five rebounds and thirteen assists And they did get the win obviously over the warriors who are the worst team in the NBA. Now so definitely expect back from Lillard one of the best point guards in the NBA. An All star caliber player so from Nebr- thirty. One points definitely make sense but the thirteen times where it really really really is impressive to me. I mean it's a great performance for him even if he's playing in words as a matter he still productive so hats off to him and he's GonNa Round out our show actually so so. Thank you for listening to the GMC basketball podcast brought to you by the GMC. PODCAST network. I would like to ask that you please remember to subscribe to the show Joe and write a nicer view because that really really would help us Also if you can please follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. It'd be greatly appreciated shaded. Qudos thank you again and see your next been listening to the Golden State media concepts basketball. PODCAST it's part of the golden state media concepts podcast network. 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Giannis Contract, LeBron & NBA Return Dates, Central Division Offseason Preview

NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane

1:20:05 hr | 8 months ago

Giannis Contract, LeBron & NBA Return Dates, Central Division Offseason Preview

"Welcome to the NBA front-office show bringing you inside rumors and transactions around the League with your hosts Keith Smith and Trevor Lay. Brought to you by Lakers nation DOT COM NC L. NS media. Hello everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the NBA Front Office show I'm Trevor Lane from Lakers nation dot com join his always by Keith Smith for Yahoo Real GM Celtics. Pretty much everywhere. This is going to be an exciting show. We're going to talk about the central division, but we also have a ton of NBA news to get into again like we always say it's the off season, but the NBA is a year round league. There is a ton of things happening right now including win the next season is going to start. We've got Daryl Maury making some big moves over the Philadelphia Seventy sixers Keith I'm pumped for this show. Yeah manage one of those where I feel like we wrap up the previous week and news either breaks right away or dent. It starts to go a couple of days and it's like we have a lot to talk about you know but then it always delivers as the NBA always does he delivers eeo in spades for us and gas. We got quite a bit to talk motor look forward to give. The amaury thing was only like a day after we wrapped up last week's. You know how it usually goes most of the time. Actually it's like an hour after we finish up a show something big happens. So so that means that there's probably something that's go go down today Let's start with with Daryl morey heading over to the Philadelphia seventy six we said on our last show that if he wants a job, he's not going to be on the market for very long somebody will pick him up. Are you surprised at the landing spot though? It's funny. It feels like other things at that. There were five million tweets about that actually happened. Dali people are always like Barrymore's should go to Philly in Philly fans where like we want our Maury and then it happened you almost like Whoa like this happen this is crazy. So yeah, it's I'm not. Overly surprised I guess is the best way to put it because I. Think there was a sense at elm brand needed. In, that front offer. So they hired Peter Dinwiddie away from the Indiana Pacers who's again Cap Guy Knows things cold on that for in. Then I felt like they just wanted someone with a little bit more experience. Higher, than L., Brandon, the organization so bringing in more y'all really fulfil Zach goal in they're going to really move this thing forward. So I'm excited for Philadelphia I'm excited for Dow, Maury I, just as a home run hire I. Think the big question is they mentioned home run. Does Maury come in right away and swing for the fences and I'm talking about big time? Trade. Shake things up or do you think he and when I say big time I mean you're moving like one of say Joel Embiid Ben Simmons Tobias Harris if they can move him Al Horford right a major piece like that or do you think it's more he kind of dipped his toe in the water. I gets a feel for things sees how everything plays out. And then kind of move forward from there with new head coach Doc rivers. One I don't know that those big moves are coming right out of the gate I think they'll look they'll see what they could do for for. Al Horford maybe for to by Sarah don't expect them to do anything with Joel Embiid or Ben Simmons that doesn't make any sense. At this stage of the game I think you know your best your moves around the edges. They're definitely going to do that. They're going to do what they can fill. That roster I think they're in a they're in a weird position, right because they were going to be pretty deep into the tax. Maybe. Even deeper if the tax stays flab which I know we're GonNa talk about later in the show but it they are in a position where I think what we could see happened with them is If they're willing to keep paying and adding to that tax bill. Because they have roles in minutes available as guys get squeezed out of money this summer I think there's GonNa be some good value for reagents available and they would be a team that's going to be really well positioned to snap those guys up because they're pretty good team with good town. Already, they're going to be a playoff team. You've got doc rivers there. You've got Dave? Yeager same cosell Dan. Burke. You know. They added really filled out there coaching staff quite well. So I, think that they're they're well positioned. It's just GONNA be ownership willingness to spend and you'll go into their orders more do something like trade Mike's Cobb with Dave I think four second round picks this year. So if they traded Mike Scott with a couple of seconds to get his salary off the boats then you could go sign a couple of guys for. The minimum and it's basically a wash salary. Wise. So that could be you know direction they could go as well. But yeah, I don't see big Lou's coming yet. That's probably maybe something by the trade deadline whenever that is and then maybe something next off season. Yeah. Agreed at now the sixers also you mentioned they brought in Doc rivers obviously this is a team that now has some positive momentum and things. Were looking definitely, not so great coming out of out of the bubble and everything for the seventy sixers. But now they've got some positive momentum behind them. What do you see the relationship between? Doc rivers and Jeremy Maury playing out like I mean these are these are two fairly strong personalities guys who are used to having things Kinda go their way, and now they have to work together. Is there some potential therefore some friction? I mean there's always that potential ray I think any front office because coaches are Gimme the pieces to win now in GM's after that want to win now but I got to have a focus on the future I think would help says they worked together in Boston worry was in Boston's for an office when doc was their head coach. So there's definitely familiarity there between the two. So I think that's GONNA help I don't think it'll be a problem. Doc, realized that doc the personnel guy didn't work out so good. And that's The fact that he gave that up with the clippers in really stepped back in just a coaching role of didn't leave at that time says to me doc kid knows the front offices Roe versus what his role is with the team and I think they're going to be aligned of much more on design to be a tear down job going on here anything like that. This is going to be on how do we rebound this roster a little bit to move forward. So I don't think there's going to be any problems. Well, that's a great point and it just to close the book on on this one. Out I think is interesting is that you've got this kind of Maury who is this guy known for these creative deals working around the salary cap and all of that? of course, the the Sloan sports conference I mean he's he's kind of like the CAP ner GM. Right? He's. He's that guy? Bill Simmons used to call him Dork Elvis Right He's that guy so it's almost like in a way obviously the tutor from people. It's like taking a step back to Sam hinkie without actually going to Sam Hinkie for the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. Yeah, I think what you've got now think they have very different ways of building a team, Darrow Maury. What is build up your assets to trade for gnome quantities that you can get while they still have plenty of value where inky was. I believe the draft is the best way to build. So I'm going to bottom this thing we'll build through the draft where Maury especially in his latter time of his time with the rockets traded every draft pick at you possible would for upgrades to the roster then and some of that was driven by Hey, we're right there right I think we forget that that team was right there with the warriors a couple of seasons ago the day. Yeah and then you know Chris Paul Injury. Would they miss twenty seven straight three pointers or? A close game like they should have one and they should've gone to the NBA finals. So I doubt is a you as we look at that that gets forgotten a little bit. I. Also, my my kind of final thoughts on this one is. There's all this talk of. Simmons doesn't fit what he wants and beads to big while the two big thing is is dumb. He built a team around Yaobang initially, he had Clint Capello for years why he downsized was he was trying to give his coach, the roster that fit his coach best. When might Dantonio wanted a place mall wanted to play Faster Daryl Maury gave him pieces that fit that best. So I don't look at all and saying well, Joel Embiid Datta there because he wants to play small that is the recency of recency bias creeping in there and then with Simmons. Maybe. You know there's some truth to that. But I think Maury is about creating good efficient shots and Ben Simmons can do that inside the pain in also as a give playmakers passer and those kind of things. So so I think I think everybody jump into one of those guys to go or both of them. That's way too soon I think you know I I, do think over time this roster will will tweak. And evolve in they're definitely going to add a couple more shooters in there. I'm around these guys and those kind of things but but I wouldn't go so far as to say, Yo, that's add like did blow this team op and start from scratch because that's not what's going to happen no, I, think you're right I think he's GonNa make more moves around the edges and find a way to make all of these pieces fit. Let's go over those from from Houston to Philadelphia, and now we've got a new coach coming in and Stephen Silas with the with the Houston Rockets. Was An assistant coach with the Dallas Mavericks. So coming under the out from under Rick Carlisle, who's a coach that has a ton of respect around the NBA what are your thoughts on that higher? Yeah I think this is one of those. That's overdue. He has name has been mentioned for feels like close to three four, five years now. For many jobs when they come open his Dad Paul Silas was a longtime player and coach in the NBA Lebron James I coach. Today, as we're recording this, it is the anniversary of Lebron James? NBA. Debut. Seventeen years ago. So which is you know kirk crazy though coal entire kids are you know in hice graduated high school and Lebron was. Pro Entire there but back to Stephen Silas I think yeah I think this is a really good higher for the rockets I'm glad they went D- Yo. Assistant Rowdy, try somebody new there clearly entering into a new phase to some extent. Again, we don't know what they're going to be. Are They GonNa tear that team down and really looked to rebuild but yeah, I think this is a good higher and then The good part is you're in a lot of things he wants to have John Lucas stay on staff, which will be big because he's close to James Harden, and Russell Westbrook there's some other. Of veteran tight guys that it looks like he's looking to fill out his bench way then I think that's what these young assistance realize now is build a good quality staff of veterans around you to help you in that first job. So that way you're not so caught off guard. That's yeah. That's that's key because I think there's some people that would go into that job with the mindset of a if I have too much experience on the bench behind me, it makes it that much easier for an organization to cut me and just promote somebody else from within. But that's I think that's the wrong mindset to go out wait I think like we saw this you're with. Defaults the Lakers. But Frank Vogel the Lakers made sure that he had quality coaches on on the bench with him to provide that extra stability in Vogel had experienced. But I do like the rockets going that route two we Stephen Silas. Doesn't mean that they're going to undermine the coach or that they are going to you speak over him or or takeover anything like that. I think it's just important that you give them that support just like you would try to give a young player support on the floor you want to do the same thing with somebody that you see as a as a up and coming head coach. Yeah. That's that is spot on there and go back to Philly. Right DOC is filling out his staff with coaches. Couple long-term assistance and then, and you'll former head coach. So yeah, I think when you look at it to, there's only thirtieth east jobs in you know every year four or five of them generally change over and so when that happens that means you know some of these guys who were head coaches are not gonna be right back in a head coaching spot. So like Frank Vogel, they'll take a year off they'll kind of you know recharge. You'll rethink how they wanna do things, and then we'll get back into it and then other times you're gonNA see your coaches are you know? Hey, I'm content to jump right back in as an assistant. On the Coaching Frontier Oklahoma City. Now, that's it just looked up at my whiteboard. They're that's they're the last one. They don't have a head coach Ed. There's been some rumblings. Royce Young of ESPN is close to that organization has anybody. said, he thinks it will probably be by the end of this week. Were Thursday now. So maybe maybe early next week, but they're kind of playing the long game, the patient game there. So you they've now they've got the choice right there. They're not competing with anybody else and the also yeah. In most around the league expect that to go to either head coach Kenny Atkinson as a great player development rights or a in assistant coach who's going to be able to come in with a young team grow without team and in moving forward So that's going to be the last kind of coaching job to keep an eye on at this point. Keith, you know what that means. That means the second we stop recording. We're GONNA get a little bomb or a shams bomb and they're gonNA announce who the? Coaches. Talk about it in a week. Let's talk. Let's talk NBA dates. That's been a big think right we've been hearing now that the League for why we were hearing. Okay. Maybe they might even push back to say, February maybe even March because they're hopeful to get fans in the stands, and now we're hearing that's being turned on its head, the date the NBA's looking at is December twenty second as the start date with the goal being, Hey, if we can finish this thing before the Olympics in July, then they could potentially put the twenty twenty, one, twenty, twenty, two season back into its regular October through June time slot avoid some of the conflict the NFL and especially during playoff time I, think that would be big for the NBA, and so that's The incentive to start early, which for teams like the Lakers, the heat, the Celtics. The nuggets teams that played late into the bubble they're saying WHOA, WHOA WHOA. Wait. That's very fast turnaround and now your colleague Chris Hanes. Put out a report saying that there's a number of players and stars that are trying to push for mlk day. So where do things stand right now on all of that and would you think it's really going to start up next season? Yes so the February march, that's off the table. Nobody everybody realized that's not GonNa happen now that's. That is It just means you'RE GONNA go too late day. Realize you know playing in the summertime that's for them, which I also think that whole proposal of permanently shifting the calendar I think that's now off the table is well, we said part of what the bubble was going to be used for was experimentation of you know what do some things look like if we put them in the play? The. play in tournament that sounds like it's here to stay. It sounds stay. No, you don't know no I kind of like it. I do. Like, like no, no, I. I do. A lot of I thought gosh, it was out in. I think the NBA stumbled onto something something pretty good there with with that play in tournament. You know it's especially if they put a midseason, it'd be kind of a nice little pick me up in the mid the midway point within season starts to become a grind I dig it. Yeah. I liked the the with the plan. If you do it similar to what they did in a bubble at the end of the year have to be within X. amount of. Games you know I'm saying, yes he escapes four games whatever it is because yeah. If a team wins Joe dare the eighth seed by eight games, they shouldn't have to play extra games to get in that. Stupid they you know they they earn that over the course of the season. But yeah if you made a four game six games or whatever it is I, think that's good. But yet made season tournament sounds like that's maybe going to be a thing. I Win I with midseason tournament without, but you're but you're right yes. The the play and aspect of a two also was also I went to the wrong. Yet and at the end of the season tournament as well. That was that was a lot of fun even as so even as like a Lakers fan right watching getting to to look at the bottom of the table and say, Oh Gosh, you know Portland is GonNa. They're they're coming strong Kim the grizzlies hold on and it just it created more drama and I think that's a good thing for the NBA. Slipped in table you have with English premier league term. I've been watching a lot of English premier league lately in. Prime, this is completely off too. But. Some fantastic documentaries on the premier league Leeds. United. They've got a two season documentary them one on Tottenham Hotspur really really good and it's also cool look to to see how different sport in a different part of world dealt with Corona virus and getting shut down. So if anybody's interested in that that that's in there. So but yes. So on dates. So NBA teams want to December date. They want that December twenty second nobody really wants to start on. Christmas think everybody's like start a couple of days before let the Lakers have one of those opening night games, they'll do their rings will do their things that'll be fan less by y'all still they they still get that celebration they raise the banner off we. Then Then, everybody else opens up within the next day or so and then Christmas who is your showcase gail few days. After that, you're GONNA play your five games on Christmas and really you. We're here radium as often running shortened season sounds like probably about a seventy two game season which that cuts on ten games off which Tim Games amounts to about three weeks of the season sounds like they're gonNA do maybe the season gets put into halves where we have the whole first half schedule, and then the second half is left. More blank with I read idea if we if we have make-up's if we've seen some of the problems, the NFL major exists ball rain into. Making cover because. Yo- the NFL it's is much of a challenge because there's you only play once a week. They're still only sixteen games. You can do some movement around to make that happen Major League Baseball's problem was much more condensed season. or their benefit rather even in a much more condensed season is they can play doubleheaders doesn't do that. So I think you're also GonNa see you know which we don't love. But I think you're going to see some more of the back to backs and some more the foreign five nights come back but it's going to be because it's going to be the Lakers fly to the northeast and they play the Celtics Nex. NATS DOSE GAMES ALL IN A. Two Week period Yo and you're going to play those and you can really kind of push them in get done and get out on those kind of things. So I think doubt is going to be interesting as well to see how they approach that because they want to limit to travel. So. So that's what the teams sound like. They're all kind of pretty close to an agreement on. Then you get the playside as you said. She came out and in a recent interview and said Yeah I don't know about this December twenty second date as you mentioned Chris Hanes, Yahu is reporting. Yeah players aren't happy when he's saying star players we know who curses close to. Lebron that's not in you know what did not no criticism because they shouldn't be happy about it I mean they're gonNA play games. Account. Two months after y'all finishing out a yellow very. Draining. Stressful Tidal Ron there. That was weird. I mean in and I know some people are sending Michael Brown will take the first month of the season off. I don't think he will just bright. It doesn't ever speak to who he is but what you may see is all right. So we got the the warriors this week. In them, we got a game after that against the kings and then we get the Hornets coming in. All right. I'll play in the warriors game and then I'll take the Hornets game off or something like that. You're GONNA I think you're gonna see those things for those teams that were played later to the bubble the other challenge what the players really want is. We understand we can't push it to February or March, and we know all the reasons for that. But we want to have it be the. We would rather do the MLK start date. But what you have on the players side there is you have eight teams that are like Whoa Whoa. WHOA that's almost a year for them plates. Let's March. We all want that we want to get back in there and play at the. Play earlier time. So that's what. I so long lead up to what? I. Think is going to happen it's going to be that right around Christmas date maybe they give a little lemay day sacrifice Christmas this year, and they they play on the first or something like data January and they push that's kind of meet middle ground more towards Lia. Because I think you're going to have that split in the Players Association where you've got eight to ten teams that are no we're good to start earlier because we want to get back at this versus you know you've got Ford maybe eighteen at our more. We want a longer period of time and then everybody in the middle is kind of. Doesn't matter. Either way we can go. So I don't know that they're going to get the. What they need on, you may see some concessions like you are right if Lebron wants to show up a week in a training camp or whatever it is. You'll whereas in a normal year that it'd be. A thing that's punishable by a fine in those kinds of things maybe they just say you know if you WANNA show up a little bit later if you're one of the final four teams and one of the final teams or whatever it is But yes so we know you know it's funny I know we keep saying this. Still All we know is November eighteenth is the NBA draft. We don't know free agency. We don't know anything else. It does sound like to there were reports that maybe agency would start Yale the weekend right after which is right before I saw summer I yeah now. I is going to be closer to what it'll be because I think Michelle Roberts is like, well, we've got a lot of stuff to figure out between now and then and I think there's also a push from there's I'd no I don't think I know there's a push from a lot of people like we do not want free agency over Thanksgiving. You get through the Thanksgiving holiday and then we'll go I don't know if I've told the story on here but I had someone in NBA Fan off say every year I run away from the fourth of July Barbecue and if I gave that up for real family holiday like Thanksgiving, my wife's going to kill me. The other reality of like we we don't want that. So so yeah. So I, I don't know that that we get a couple of days after I think it'll be probably About a week after the first of free agency opens and then the season scholarly December maybe January. Okay. So there's there's a few things to unpack their first of all. You've got Danny Green gave an interview a few days ago and mentioned you know talking about the dates and everything he talked about okay. Well, don't be don't be surprised if maybe Lebron doesn't play the first month of the season and the jury deadly kind of ECO data a little bit on twitter he said you can't be crying than if you'd our players are sitting out of the nationally televised games if you're pushing us back this fast because for teams like like the Lakers it's I. Think it's seventy five days between game six. Ended December twenty second start date which and people have to factor in training camp would be starting in the beginning of December. So it's not even like it's not like they have from game six all the way till December twenty second he's got to get back into training. It's it's a very, very short time period. Realistically, you've got three maybe four weeks to kind of let your body recover to some degrees, and so that's a challenge but green also mentioned, hey, you know what other teams we're going to be in the minority with this opinion because other teams have been home since March, some teams left the bubble. and. So I do see it starting up earlier than teams like the Lakers would want and when you go. To Free Agency, we did hear that November eighteenth nineteenth are eighteenth draft, but November Twentieth November twenty first at at first was going to be free agency and the sense is that that's such a quick turnaround you all the activity on draft night all the trade talks the teams have to have. Then, you're going to get what two days you have to suddenly start signing free agents or having those negotiations, which is why now we're starting to hear this is a. Little bit of a different topic Keith were starting to hear that teams and free agents are ready talking and that some deals might even be agreed to obviously verbally but they're talking now Keith last year we you and I talked about this about how deals were being done before free agency started the NBA it wasn't happy with it. They were GONNA crack down on it this year I don't think they. They can say anything about it because everything is condensed. What are we supposed to do? They're going to have to do one of the yeah because it's already happening. Right there they're going to your do do a yield turn a blind eye to an even more than they usually do because I. Right. I always use Kemba Walker the example Oh really free agency opened two minutes ago in this Guy Siner four year Max deal Boston who was barely even mentioned doesn't as a as a team but Very, free agency opened at six o'clock East Coast time on Sunday which was fantastic. Please keep down whatever you do y'all don't. We don't need midnight nobody wants that not even the people on the West Coast want that. The Gosh. Dang News, which is painful. Right. But the Lou Alday News, it was like one am. Pacific Time. It was like one am where the Dang thing came out I mean that was yeah. Yes. Let's keep it in the middle of the day. please. Yes please so. emoji reported late Friday night that Campbell was going to the Celtics if they hadn't talked, how did that happen? Yeah. That's amazing. What magic they you know so done. But yeah this year you have to ray you have to just assume it's going to go on I've talked to teams are convinced I was asking around about some players. On there are people. That already got a deal somewhere. They're all very clear dot us. You know it's not us. We would never it was very. No. Yeah. Now, multiple other people have also reported as well. You know that they're they've heard similar things. So see I think it's just Kind of the reality of the way this season is going in I can tell you that from my conversation with people at teams, they're extremely frustrated that they don't have the number one you're starting to hear now is. There was a lot of time in the bubble. Michelle Roberts doesn't play Games Adam. Silver doesn't play games down of their lawyers were prepping for playoff games young Chris Paul was out. You know he's the president of the players. Association has season was over even if he was home use zoom bring a man why? Why was this not getting done your then like Whoa why did we have to wait for the season? To End, there was a sensible. Let's make sure we can actually get a dump I. Think by the time we were to the finals. We knew this was going GonNa. Be Successful right I mean it would have had to be really go sideways for that to not go that way. So I think you have that and then I think the other pieces you had the. The D.? You've got now that they are like we don't have option dates. We don't have guaranteed of any of these things and it's making it very hard for both players in teams to plan and decide you know what are we going to do? What is my timing on this? What does this look like and it's funny because for three weeks running now? I've heard from people hopefully by the end of the week. He was still saying that this week and it's Thursday. Maybe now Michelle Roberts did come out and say in an interview. She thinks the cap is going to be flat. She thinks the taxes going to be flat. I know teams are pushing hard that the tax does not stay flat cap flap they're good with they want to tax to rise. They wanted to go up to the one thirty, nine projection. Because that'll free up player movement that gives them a little more moves I tweeted about this earlier today that if you don't. If You keep the tax flack Boston, Brooklyn Philadelphia and Golden State are deep into the tax and you've got three other teams that are probably going to be in the tax with one signing, and then you've got about four or five other teams that are going to be your tax. They just resign a couple of their own free agents and now all of a sudden it's like boy that's A. You're really hurting play. Because there's just nothing left to give those guys. So that's going to be something really monitor where that tax line lands, the only teams, that benefits of the teams that are for short cap space everybody else you know they'd much rather have the higher tax line. And even the teams would tack Cap Space I don't know. So I think that's going to be one that comes down to the Oh the. Players Association likely wanted to be higher because I freeze up movement. More player movement the better in then on the team out I think you're gonNA have the four or five sixteen cap space are going to be really fighting. You know don't raise it against the twenty five teams or so I don't in not just going to. Come. At that point, it'll be Senate so so we'll see but if it's as flat flat then were were sounds like that's close. I wouldn't be surprised if daddy's announced by the end of the weekend Um, you know this is what the tax is will be set at then no move right into the day probably working concurrently with here's all the dates. Here's all that other stuff. So I do think it's getting really close it's Just frustrating that here we are your now it's going to be November by the end of this coming weekend, and we are less than three weeks out from the NBA draft. Three weeks from today is the NBA draft right or less than three weeks. Oh I, know we're our is there to that is we still don't have the numbers that teams need to be able to start doing stuff and that's really hampering business for. IOS Trans. Actually around the well that's where I. Wish you know and there've been a million times a season where I got I wish I could be a fly on the wall in this GM's office or whatever. But I can only imagine if those discussions are happening right now GM's are calling up free agents or at least communicating in some way some. Way they're figuring out some secret message I don't know maybe they're using carrier cookies. How they're communicating to keep it all on the up and up at this point. But. Could you imagine having those discussions? Hey, we'd really love to have you come in. We're going to offer you a contract which play for our team. We think you can help us contend sure how much you're GonNa pay me I don't know I. Don't know how much we can give you. I mean I know they can get ballpark and everything but but still without having those cap numbers, it makes it really difficult. To not only I mean not just having those discussions but plan moving forward. So I but I do think you're right. I think it's GONNA wind up at one, hundred, nine, million I think that they do probably bump things up in terms of tax because right now given everything that's going on flexibility is key and I think giving a little bit there will help the teams out a lot. The players will like it. That's something that I can see moving forward. But I think even if they don't even if they don't do that, we're gonNA, see a number of just bargain deals this year this off season that wind up being one year contracts because those players that kind of get get left without a chair. So to speak when the music stops and the CAP space dries up, they're going to be looking to get back out onto the market pretty quickly. But we're going to see some deals this off season that just raise eyebrows and we're going to be like, how did that guy go for that little money and it's because of this situation that we're talking about Your car it's definitely gonNA cause stopped in who wouldn't otherwise which we already knew that was covering. THEM WE'RE GONNA have these guys who take these one year deals I think the summer of two, thousand, twenty one or back on our normal cycle. I think that potentially could be the largest class of free agents we ever have because I think you're going to have all these guys opt in this year. Will become free agents next year plus all the combination of all these guys are GonNa take one year deals plus the guys who already scheduled to be free agents I think that's going to be. The best class because last was what fifties right of the. Of the the hitting free to. You're going to see. I. Think you're GonNa see a beef fifty sixty. Guys you know next year one and all of a sudden because of just the way this this offseason is GonNa play out, I? Think it's going to be Ulli, those one year deals or one plus ones that are really one year deals and those kind of things. So yeah, it's interesting and then just be if people wondering you would the tax your why? Why does it matter because it's about a six million dollar difference well, I, break it down for you for a team like the Celtics to Celtics could if it's stays word where it's at their bow. Eight to ten million over with a couple of trades your and his canter we's or Gordon Hayward ops out resigns for lower number something like that they can get out of the tax entirely. With. With very minimal things have happened if they are eleven twelve, thirteen, fourteen, million dollars over it becomes a huge challenge because then now you've got to do a Lotta stuff to get out of the tax and at that point, you start to really think about. Or do we just bite the bullet? Do we pay it this year and just call what it is and we move on in those kinds of things. So that's six million dollars when it comes to the taxes of pretty different, you're pretty massive amount. So so yeah, it's again you know I know I say this phrase a lot but it's GonNa be interesting to see where that lands because it's just the Oh, it's really really important around league priests could free up different exceptions for teams as well. So that's Definitely something to keep an eye on but you WANNA talk team. Let's do it and to this this show we're doing the central division and so let's kick things off. Let's start with the top. Let's talk about the Milwaukee Bucks I mean look they. They got bounced out of the playoffs a little bit earlier than anybody was expecting I. Think most myself included. We're expecting them to make it all the way to the NBA finals that did not happen. They ran into a red hot Miami Heat squad but. Keith I think that the big question for them obviously at the top, the first thing they have to figure out is does Yana take the supermax deal on that will be on the table or not, and then everything else kind of goes from there. But if he does go ahead and take that I feel like they are, there's some moves they can make around the edges, but they're mostly locked into this team that they've got. Yeah I think you are if you just look at their cap she they're pretty much who they are at this point aids moves around the edges maybe fill out a couple rotations bought the good news for them they necessarily to have a lot of rotation spots to fill they were one of the deeper teams in the League. This past season they've got a lot of really good players I think more trouble is schematically they did their scheme. Does not work in the playoffs you don't WanNa team sees you four, five, six, seven games in a two week span to kind of figure you out with they know how to get after you. Now, Miami Yell. Let's go crazy Miami maybe has the player who's best positioned in the NBA to slow down Janas in Bamut bio of just because he's roughly this is he's quick he's strong you can you match a lot of what you honest does. Data that said. With Yang. US. I think I will not be surprised. I don't think he signs the supermax extension this. Awesome but I would not be surprised if he did. I guess is the best way to put it I. Think it's in his best interest to not do it because put the pressure on the team Lebron to doing out. Put the pressure on single year to keep improving the team and you're making moves make them go into the luxury tax if they have to to build you, you know a good team they've said that they will not you hold them to make them them do that. I think that's that's the reason not to, but it wouldn't surprise me because I've said it time and time again Yana says just built a little differently I think he does love Milwaukee I think that's home for that's home for him. Now he's got a family there and you know all that stuff. So I do think yeah, there's a good chance that he's going to stay stay stay there. Long term but it just it just wouldn't surprise me if he gals leverage play L. Dot said man let's see what you do. You'll build an out this roster and then that's when it would give really interesting right because now all of a sudden it's what do we do you know pieces, Weiser's these victory depot I believe it was Kevin O'Connor on was the first one to report it. I have a hard time seeing how the bucks get their salary. Wise. I just don don't mean that they could. You could do y'all. Are. Sound Ilyasova maybe know if guaranteed him it may be a Robin Lopez there's something and Dj Wilson and now all of a sudden you're probably right there within range. Yohan it'd be picks and those kind of things clearly, all depot would be a pretty cool fit mary. Think that'd be a you know a lot of fun with that group. But yeah, those are the kind of things that I think you're going to be interesting is do they have the pieces to be able to make that big upgrade? Is it Eric Bledsoe plus plus plus for Chris? Paul You do something like that. That's hard though for your the box, because that's a movie do if you've got jaanus locked up if you don't then. We might WANNA pivot if you leave and all that I want Chris Paul and forty five million dollars on the books but is that the move that gets Janas to say, okay you're doing everything you need to do I mean it's. It's it's going to be an interesting staredown. I think between those two and I thought I heard an interesting wrinkle and I don't remember where I saw this but you can correct me if I'm wrong here on this Keith with the supermax deals with Yoenis they offer it. But then during the season once the season begins, he can't just go and signed that contract that contract is gone till the next I hope on the next off season right so I think that's interesting because it's not like the the the box can be they're not going to have to answer the Him The question all the time like, Hey, you just won three games in a row. Do you want to sign that contract now like you're not going to be getting those types of questions from reporters from reporters, but he doesn't signed it this off season that's not going to stop. Every place they go hey, would you consider playing here? What do you think about this city? I mean, it's it's a nightmare for teams to deal with, and so I know Milwaukee is hoping that he will go ahead and sign that thing. But if he doesn't man, it's going to be a huge storyline the entire year what you might do. So the following off season and is there a point where Milwaukee's has to start considering trade offers as we get closer to the the the deadline if he's not giving them any indication that I'll stay? Yeah and he is you know for the guys the two-time reigning MVP's. Top three player in the League you know depending on where you WANNA put him. I don't imagine anybody has lower than third on their list. If they do please tell us goes I. Want to tell you how wrong? but it is. His salary number is twenty, seven, million. It's not forty it's not thirties. That's a number that you can get to further teams without having a trade seven guys. If an season deal I think if Milwaukee feed, every says not signing and now. In the in the box either trade him before the start of the season and say go somewhere else figured out with them next year as a free agent or the buck say year Stan like he's not going anywhere. I think it's far more likely that second one in ob a belief of we're GONNA win and off we'RE GONNA Get there we're GONNA. Have the right pieces around you and go eighty on. YELP keep you here forever. You know as much as forever is in the NBA. So three four more seasons. But it is. You know I I think that's the way it goes for them. Other rosters full for them. Apologize. I'm looking away from camera because I'm looking at my sheet here are over seven million fully non-guaranteed. My guess is they just guarantee that bring him back. He's been a pretty good deportation big man. Free Agents Pat Contin is interesting to me. He was a rotation player for them at thought. He played pretty good. He's good Wing Guy with decent size good athleticism decent shooter. That one's going to be interesting isn't he doesn't other team come in with Chunk Chuck Chunk of an exception to pay him stirring Brown. He's a guy there's a couple teams really like we think with a bigger more established regular role stirring bound can be a really good wing player. In the NBA Robin Lopez my guesses he opted for the five bedrooms brothers, they're. The. Risky has with that is then becomes a very nice trade peace the opposite I think Wesley Matthews it's two seven million, but it's really a minimum for us. So it wouldn't be surprised if he ops out and then resigns on another two year minimum deal. That wouldn't shock me at all Marvin Williams is a pending for agent, but we know here he said he's going to retire. So that's really it for the for the box. I'm Kyle Korver Korver out the phase where he's just if he wants to play, you can pick his signed for the minimum with anybody in the about shooter for that team. So yeah, I don't I don't see a whole heck of a lot. For Them I I, think there's a good chance that they come back looking like a pretty similar roster next agreed and with that, let's jump over to the Indiana Pacers talked a little bit about Victor. Oladipo? Obviously that's GonNa be a lot of the questions swirling around Indiana this off season. Let's start. There is one year remaining on his contract twenty million. There have been questions about whether or not the Pacers will want to pay him particularly with the other contracts they've done on the books you've got Malcolm Brogdon at almost twenty one, million next season you've got Miles Turner Eighteen TJ Warren is on the books at almost twelve million Jeremy Lambs getting ten and a half. So you've got some contracts Doug McDermott that are that are stacking up this next year of course Donald. A bonus is now at eighteen and a half that ends up really quick. So we're actually higher for the bonus too because he hit some bonus. So he's at nineteen point eight. Okay. So that's even more so Where do you see things going with depot first and foremost? Yet. It's tough. You have to you're going to keep him. You have to believe that you have a chance to re signed him. You have a chance to contend for a championship team would championship with this team. As presently constructed, the reason being is. They don't have a ton of flexibility they are just below the tax. You just rattled off a whole bunch of loose our well, they don't have anybody making thirty or forty. They've got one, two, three, four, five, six guys all making ten million plus that's that adds up real quick and a couple of those guys are basically twenty. So once you get up that high sudden, it's our this is a pretty expensive team you've got you don't have any looming free agents other than all the depot. Doug McDermott TJ McConnell you're not to. The worried about them next year. That's you know you figure that out when it comes. So I think if you're the Pacers, well, you have to do is you need to look at this and say, all right can we win and championship even if all it believes after the season but we think we can win a championship then keep them when by if you if your answer to that is probably not this year in and you're looking at and saying he's probably leaving denny. Really need to look and see if you can find a move and you're trying to parlay that into guys who can come in fit in better around Turner Sa- Bonus Warren and really push that team forward. The Nice thing is the guy like Malcolm Brogden as the the other backward guy you could go either way there you could bring point guard and play Brogden off ball he could bring in more of a true you know wing and play. Brogden on the ball is the point. There set up pretty flexible roster. Wise. So yeah, the Pacers are there in a little bit of a tough spot with him and that decision I think is ultimately what guides wear. This team goes booth. If they you know they're they're pretty well stock but how they change up this roster can be how can be an lippo trade that's how they. Can Get some different pieces in truly mix it up. Otherwise if they decided not to trade him, they're probably going to look very very similar to the way they look right now, what are your thoughts on the Miles Turner dominance of bonus pairing? Is that something they wanna stick with long-term because that is a lot of money committed to those two players. Now, I learned how to see his name since our last show it's Neat Bjorkman there you go on your. So, so I did go learn how to say that he is He has experience under Nick Nurse? Plane. Two bigs would all baca who aren't really all that dissimilar to Sabinus and Turner. Turner's Kinda plays in a box type rowers shop locker in the defensive and he's got range on the offensive end. So bonus good passer. Good. All round big much Gonzales. So so I wouldn't be surprised if there's not this big rush to split it up maybe see how it works for another year. Maybe go into the year seeing how it works I think they are probably both both best if they're playing at five. New Challenges you got to have the right kind of four. If Sa- bonuses your five, you need an athletic shop blocking four next to him. In Nat Turner's at the five. You need someone who's a little more rugged you start to look at it and say, well, Jeez, don't they both kind of pair well together then I think you could make that I. Think you could. You know very easily could say, Jeez, you know these guys fit pretty good together. So I don't I don't think they're going to be in a huge rush to split it up. Celtics no hayward for. Me Depot in Hayward and picks and all these other people and it's like, yeah, that's probably not not a real thing that you'll make sense for either team to do that and then counter with what he's from Indiana. Okay. That doesn't mean he's in a huge rush to go back there. Let's not go crazy. So yeah, I think it's I. Think the most likely we see this team just kind of look pretty similar going forward into next year as they do right. Yeah. I have seen that that talk about Hayward to Indiana and figure out something to make that work. But I, don't know that that's really the way they're going to go and I think the other thing on this on this move on is TJ Warren was tremendous. In the bubble may God did he catch fire and I think they found something with him as a the four out there in terms of giving them that offensive punch. So that gives them another look that they can kind of play with it may not be they start obviously Turner and Simonas, but I still think it gives them a little bit of flexibility. You mentioned the flexibility with Brogden playing the one or the two you also have that that with. With TJ warrant as well. So there were some Kinda. Envision these guys being like raptors. Light would the two bigs being like the Raptors two bigs Warren playing kind of this Yokum role as a high usage forward. And then Nola Depot Brogden playing the the lower eventually Dole ball handler role in the backcourt I could I can very easily see that kind of being the the plan here. Now, the problem is you're gonNA with yellow lot of lesser players in some cases. So that becomes something you've really got to kind of figure out. But you know I don't I think that could be the daily. See initial plan is let's get a look and see what this thing looks like, and then if we've got these problems, let's move forward one key free agent for them. Just holiday it gets going to be hard for them to like I said, they're dancing right around the tax line out and they are not a team that historically is we'll pay the tax will go go deep into the tax there another team that you'll depending on where the tax falls. If it comes in at the lower number, makes it really hard on them to keep just to the Holiday Inn stay under the tax if the tax comes in at the higher number that comes a lot easier to do now his brother is there. So that could be be a reason to keep them. Everybody's a guy a lot of teams like because he's getting good a win with good size. WHO's a very good shooter I think you could see other teams really chasing heavily after him and it could be offering. Agreed I think you'll be in demand. Okay. Let's let's jump over to the. Teams editor at a very teams that are in a very different station at this point. This Chicago Chicago Bulls were. Not Very Fun to watch. He's in for for much of the season but but they've got some pieces and I think they have Aussie. What's that? Right sorry sorry to interrupt. You would've completely lost season. They never had their guys healthy everybody anytime. They had somebody come back another guy was out. You know. So I don't think they got any chance at all to evaluate who that that team wants and? They never get this those guys again. Now you've got a new coach at the helm and you've got you've got some young players to potentially build around. I. Guess. Let's let's start at the top. You've got a player option for Otto Porter Jr. I am assuming it's locked and he's going to pick that up. Twenty, eight million so. He's picking on up, but but job down to the next guy in terms of payroll you've got Zach Levine at one, thousand nine and a half million. He showed some real flashes last season he got up into the I believe mid twenties in terms of his average scoring. Shot well from behind the archies obviously not. Free. But I've heard some rumblings that maybe they look to to move him what are your thoughts on Zach? Levine. Is he a piece that they want to hang onto and built around moving forward? I'm GonNa give you my Zach Levine thoughts as the overall bowl thoughts. I want to see them more or run it back. Would this group in hopefully better health in see what is it that they've got right? Do you have something with these guys together with a? What should be IM- Billy Donovan a far better coach than what they had previous. So that's what I want to see better. Coach better health is this team pretty good because I, think they could conceivably contend for the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. There's no they're not that far off Orlando In then whoever kind of drifts? In the East I, apologize they're cutting the grass OOFTA gets picked up. So that's what's happening outside. But Yeah I think it's I think I. Think they're they're they've got to be a pretty good team. You've got a couple of good solid bench vets, Saron ski and Thaddeus young around all the younger guys affronted Kobe White was a real find yo he I think proved teaser your real MBA player. So yeah, I kinda just want to see him running back and you know let's see what we. Can do here which to me makes the interesting question what do you do with Chris Daas. But before we compare, what do you think about? Would you bring them back or you look at it? Selfishly, I'd love to see him get moved to I. Don't know maybe the Lakers or something I think I think because they've been a ton I almost just spit coke all. I knew I shouldn't have I should've seen it. There have been no, I've been. We do our Lakers nation live show twice a week right now we're doing Mondays and Thursdays nine o'clock. Pacific Time. And I get inundated by xactly being questions everybody saying. Oh. Okay. If the Lakers would give this up for pictoral the depot why don't you just give that? Exactly. Why don't you? Why don't you give Bradley Beal Right Yes that's different. Yeah. That's that's a bridge too right. So I don't think the Bulls are going to be I would listen but I don't think they're going to be shopping Levin around I think the athletic talent is simply too high and I know you've got some defensive concerns there but you brought a new head coach. You might will see if you can get some of those things to come around if you can improve his feel for the game and then add that to he's immense physical talent and now he's shown shooting ability. This is a guy who I think could be a really interesting piece moving forward. So I think that they hang on to him and you've got him under contract sound like you have to make a decision on them right now he's in nineteen and a half million, this season and next season. So if it's just not working out, then maybe revisit something at the trade deadline or next season or whatever. But I think there's something here he flashed last season and so I think there's something to hang onto their from the Bulls perspective. I don't love the with Koby. In him as a backward else don't heated it either I'm workers as he can. They make it work I think the next big evolution in the NBA way. We've I think we've pushed things as for small about as far as it can go I think the next big evolution is going to be dual ball handlers and creators and your back court. I, I think it seems saw how much the raptors got out of that. This year I think Do we saw in the finals what? The Lakers were able to do with Rondo and Lebron playing together. I. Think we also saw the heat when they had draw gauge hero together. If you two guys who can really create together in the backcourt. Easier on everybody. So you know that's I kinda liked the idea. Let's let's see what those two guys together greed negotiate now. Chris Dolan. I don't mean look he's he's one of the better defenders at the guard position, but is he a fit moving forward and what are you willing to pay to keep him? I think that's that's a really big question here for the for the Chicago Bulls to answer. What's interesting with Chris done is I went. At about probably, the trade deadline is I was looking forward into the offseason I very much believed. Debut. Not even give him a qualifying offer out of fear he'll just sign right. Now is also when I thought maybe Otto Porter Jr. ops out and they could get into the cap space running but. Then I looked like dominoes played pretty good played played pretty good defense. He really became one of the best defensive guards in the league. He's really really good there. He's the guy you can create a little bit offensively play a little bit of point guard for you. So so I think that's also. Something there. So yeah as I, really kind of added. Now I think it's the Bulls would be looking. Let's see if we can get him on something team. Friendly. something. Maybe eight nine, million a year over the next three, four, c three or four years. And that's what we do or does done just again. So you know I'M GONNA sign my qualifying offer seven million. I'll play it out and get the unrestricted market next summer in that will be where we out. That's going to be an interesting question for them to to look at it. Then you've also got Denzel. Valentine. Your do you what do you think of their? Nothing. I doubt one am a little more on the fence to leave off from the qualifying on freeze healthy I. Liked Challenge I liked him too. That's that's why I keep going back to them because I I liked him a lot but I mean you Floor you and I have not done a lot of draft stuff. The one you'll learn as I have the stupid affinity for Michigan State players and I don't know where it came from because I have no no attachment to that school at all in my life but I just I see these Michigan State guys and I, think they're all going to be good. I still take myles. BRIDGE IS GONNA be awesome I still have Brandon Dawson Stockeu socks and isn't even in the NBA. So I just have this like Glock on I. Think they're all going to be good Valentine's you just can't say healthy. So he's never been healthy enough to show what he could do. Last year would have been a great time because the bulls were always missing porter. Levin are somebody was always out he could played you'll a lot of minutes and just so yeah, I think he's probably best free. He might be a nice kind of second draft guy you'll go somewhere else. For maybe team the Hornets grabs him where he could play. In pick him up and see if he can kind get his career on track there. But yeah, I don't I don't have a lot of thoughts thoughts on Ham. Shack harassing another guy, he's a fringe. Minimum Manda the bench Guy Right there. So yeah I think the Bulls. Not to have make it real boring. But I do think their best bath is just right back. You know more last year deal. Geeky don bring everybody else back and hope for better health with a better coach and see where you go. All right. Let's jump over to a team that that really can't just run back because otherwise they wouldn't have enough players. That's the Detroit Pistons who have who have some cap space I don't know if anybody's GonNa want to go play there. But I think first and foremost, they've got to figure out what their future is in terms of Blake. Griffin and Derrick rose to aging bedrooms obviously Blake Griffin making considerably more I guess let's start there with Blake. Griffin. Does anyone want Blake Griffin at this point? Can you see a team trading for him because it feels like the Pistons to me from my perspective anyway our position where they can really start start over fresh but you've got to figure out a new home for Griffin. Yeah, it's tough right because before last year he was awesome. Two seasons ago. All of guy really played well, look like that contracts going to be okay and then he suffered through get hurt late in that season sagiyo struggled in the playoffs was probably never healthy at all last season even when he did play and then the whole end of the season. So I think I think that one's a little tough if you feel if you're from another team's perspective if you feel like you. Know, we could really use a four We could you really need this guy because he's not a small ball five you can't really play no play him there. He's got to play the four but if you felt good about it, and like this is a guy, can push us over the top to be a title contender you can talk yourself into it. It's just matching thirty, six point eight, million in salary that that's tough on even in the offseason, it normally caps these teams. And I know real, there's a knicks joke in there being. Made somewhere but I don't think they're going to do anything like that. You know the Hornets, the hawks that doesn't make sense the suns can't get their. Money Wise. You know to to make that happen very easily I mean maybe they could pull off. Something along with their cap space for Griffin. That could be maybe a little bit interesting but I don't. Think it's expensive for because of the thirty eight point nine next season in twenty, one, twenty two. So yeah, I. Think this is just going to be one of the Pistons you're GonNa have to ride it out in the maybe as an expiring contract and twenty, one, twenty two you can move that money a little bit easier in what should be much freer. Moving Marquette, what I think is interesting is and my sense of it is this that I think there's a greater demand for as bad as people have talked about this contract for Chris Paul then for for Blake Griffin and people a year ago we would have been saying that because Chris Paul was I mean people it's considered that contract to be toxic, and now here we are and I think teams could easily talk. Obviously getting to that number getting forty million, for Chris, Paul is really difficult. But I think teams would have an easier time. Talk them talking themselves into paying for thirty, five, thirty, six year old Chris Paul that they would for Blake Griffin, only gets even close. I would much rather. Yes. Ball at this point is it we just saw. Chris. Paul completed entirely healthy season going really great. You'll play good. He's he's ever played. I'll step further I think even a guy like John Wall. Fan because I think we can talk yourself into with Wallace full year, remove to years or move from these injuries now. Let's see him get back. You know let let's see what he really is. It maybe could get there would blake it's just a little too recent. Would that injury history that I think that might get in people's heads of gotTa know plus it's like with with wall you can also again say, yeah, that was kind of a freak thing that happened where he hurt himself many fully tours Achilles in another freak injury y'all that's not going to happen again then I think what Griffin you're kind. Of. Looking at it in like a knee injuries were big man and he's had a history of is this. She's going to be a thing where this guy's not gonna be forty or fifty games every year and I don't know what I'm going to get out of them. So yeah, that would just Yup, that's that's maybe a little too far at an odd after really think that one a little bit more I mean either they're both pretty high on the list of contracts nobody wants list. But? Yeah. I. Just I don't know but derrick grows you mentioned him right seven point seven, million come and season for him so Yeah, I mean very easily movable number at a really good season clearly is very comfortable. Now, in the six-man man role, I can't think of a playoff team that he doesn't make sense for. Me I. Think all of them would love to have it i. think it's just going to be for Detroit is, is that a movie make now or do you hold onto him? Really you'll let him drama pinterest throughout the course of the season, move them out the deadline. I don't. If I'm if the Pistons I move, I'm moving I'm moving him now if on the Pistons because I don't want to risk that you know he has an injury history I don't want to risk that he gets hurt and then you can get nothing for him. He's a guy that if I can get and like you said, he fits with a lot of teams and the contractors movable. So if I'm the Pistons I am this off season going to move him and extractors much valuable value values I possibly can moving forward, and then if you have to eat that Blake Griffin contract, then you've got to just eat that for another year. But at least you've cashed in on a veteran already and then you can kind of build your team moving forward but will be really clear for that moving forward part Lake Izzy only bad money on this. Also Tony Snell's twelve point two, million this year. But that's one more year like and they're gonNA be terrible this year anyway. So whatever if you gotTa Ride Dot contract you do book but other than that I mean they they have this close to his clear bucks as you can possibly have. And still have players on her contract, which is pretty cool. Offer. Troy weaver is a brand new GM to kind of be in is because like you're almost coming into kind of a blank slate here their key guy down the song it's Christian boy yes. Right I. Mean What what are you doing with Kristian would here's the challenge for the Pistons. They only have early bird rates onboard. So in order to give him anything above. Like roughly the mid level exception money. They have to use their cap space I would I'd give him somewhere in that twelve to fifteen million a year range in starting salary at dip into the maze because what the hell else. On US ninety, two good. Anyway might as well keep a good younger player. In the uniform but that that is just one thing because there are teams out there that think that they could use their full mid level and get cursing would away from the Pistons and I just don't see it. No. No. If I'm the Pistons I definitely hang on him, those guys are the guys that you need to figure out a way to hang onto because that's what you're going to build your team around moving forward these young players especially, if you can lock up a guy now that you think, Hey, right now maybe fourteen million or something might feel like. A little bit much right now. But next year that might not be if he continues playing at this level, this is something that could be looked at as a bargain. If they do use the I would imagine they would try to lock him up for multiple years. But if they do go that early bird rights route that they have to offer a deal of at least two years, so you might as well lock this guy up for for the foreseeable future for as long as you can if you can get into a workable number, the question for their from their. Becomes. Just filling out that rest of this roster and getting that getting things set. But that's where again you've got a new GM in place who can come in and kind of mold this thing to their liking and figure it out, and that's you know that's an exciting thing for the Pistons to finish things out with that cap space could the Pistons be a dumping ground for some bad contracts maybe some bad expiring deals in order to free up money order to grease the wheels of a trade somewhere else is that they should pursue. Yeah. It could be should be thirteen. Mineta. Donna Three Day trade the bad deal definitely. Just, eat a beat a bad contract in exchange for draft picks as you said, Lata roster spots available in Detroit. If you can get out of this draft with an additional two three players. Beyond what you already are coming in, that'd be fantastic. Right go go do do a bunch of stuff there even if it's future draft picks in exchange reading bad salary for from these teams one hundred percent yet. They are one of the teams should be fighting hardest to have the tax line. Stay flat tour is because you've got teams like Boston Brooklyn Golden State Philadelphia going to be looking at dumped salary. You can be like Oh you know I know in his KANTER's only five million. But if you want me to take on really need a first round, can meal really star you know hammer and those kinds of that negotiation because those teams are going to be desperate to lower. Ordeal you get out of the tax. So I, think that that's something you know they're there with you know Indiana we talked about it right in the NFL was like, Hey, you know I know, Doug McDermott just there you WanNa recite just holiday we can take that on but you gotta give us two seconds or something like that I'm really kind of get into that full mode of where you're building up that asset base because it's Christian would I kind of like say Khuda. Mboya. The rest of the guys on the rostrum little. About. Ski Mikhail Look like as shooter. Bruce Brown I like his your third fourth guard on your Banville of loop. I'm not a bit. Yeah. I. Know You guys. Famer from the Lakers. Takahara come on. Yeah. Yeah it's V and Talent Horton. Tucker. Way. Luke Kennard I'm not a I'm not a huge. Lukin our guy he can't ever stay healthy either. So you'll thon maker I think that ship has sailed despite that a couple of their free agents I do kind of like not for them. But for other teams Langston, Galloway's a guy who could help a handful of teams as a Third Guard I. Think. John. Hansen might actually have some value as like A. Fourth fifth big on a good team and I think Jordan McRae is a guy who he'll surprise people. I. Think he gets on a good team. He can be like Jordan Clarkson and come in and score the ball I'm with regularity on a second unit really good player just add a fraction of the cost because he's probably not going to make much more than the minimum. So yeah, for me it's resigned Christian would. Pile up extra draft picks or young players by eating bad deals in move this thing forward that way because I don't see him another logical bath Ford because there's just not the free agents to. For them to go get this off season that make a lot of sense. All right. Let's on. Let's finish things off with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Going from one big that not a lot of people WANNA power for and not a lot of teams are GonNa want in Blake Griffin to another. In Kevin Love Gosh. That's That's that's a long contract. Shooting is something that a lot of teams need. But. I just I don't know if they're going to be able to find a taker for Kevin Love's salary that's going to be a challenge and then Andre Drummond Good Lord. He is not seriously considering opting out of this deal right twenty eight. Twenty eight million almost twenty, nine, million. He's we've heard these these rumors that maybe he's going to opt out. That's there's no way there's no way he knew that right? Yeah maybe I'm not gonNA eat cookies when we finished. Recording. I mean come on what are we doing here? Both know what's going to happen. Yeah he's not opt out. There's not that kind of money for him. Once Atlanta traded for Cappella deadline remove the only Andre Drummond Souder on this off season Charlotte's not going to do it. They're dare putting all their dare hopes in trying to get James Wise mic to fill their big man's. And then everybody else he's not going back to Detroit right we know that. Phoenix isn't doing that Miami certainly, not going that route. The Knicks aren't GonNa do that. So yeah, he's going to take that twenty eight point seven stay on. Roster. Figured out maybe he gets traded your that's a possibility. He's not going anywhere Kevin Love. That's another guy. I'd much rather have Kevin love going forward to Blake Griffin, even out the additional year twenty, eight, point nine, million even better health you can really rebound and he can shoot. You can find a place for a guy like data processor. Wear I don't. Opt to get that. That's the thing like what are you gonNa have to give him and you're committing three years of salary I think that's the that's the challenge for for Blake Griffin it's more. Gosh, can't stay healthier. We're GONNA trade for him, and then we're paying almost forty million dollars and he's and he's on the bench. For Kevin Love, it's how do we clear that salary and is he d- piece right? Because if you're treating for Kevin love and you're going to commit that much money to them for the next three years, he's got to be the guy that puts you over the top teams to talk themselves into that. Now, what else who Kevin love is I think just like Blake Griffin he's in other gag next summer ready to makes a lot more sense than there's only two years left a big more wide open for your market where money should be able to be moved around. Then I think he makes a lot of sense yo in that that market there but it wouldn't surprise me if something happened this year, he has been on the trade bloc. You'll basically sense Lebron left and he was kind of the last man standing in Cleveland and he's still playing pretty well beyond that yet I mean, there's not much there Matthew Dilawar dove is a free agent. You'll probably minimum guy catch on somewhere. You know to be somebody's third fourth point guard and be passed and do those things and interest in Thompson right? That's the the guy who I think actually makes sense is you he he's a guy can really still play would have a lot of value I think to any number of contenders would do with his ability. He's somebody I think could get the full mid level. There's a lot of questions if he wants to leave gleam really I, think he's perfectly happy in Cleveland he seems happy there I think he would if it was for the right opportunity with their I T. Do that for four million dollars a year it's going to have to be you know the full mid-level from a team for for him to go to. Yom He's right. He'd fit fantastic with the Lakers if they could offer the full mid low you let you either Howard or you go and he comes in as a replacement. It's an upgrade right that that's a huge guy you know to play while they're you know. So I think there's any number of teams that are good teams I would like to have I can tell you a lot of Lakers fans are thrilled with the idea of going after going after a Tristan Thompson. But I don't know if it's a you know collect sports thing if it's a Kardashian thing, they're afraid of a little curse action or something like that there. But do the would the cavs want him back zooming Drummond ops in our the calves really gonNA pay him to to come back. If they know they're committing already almost thirty million dollars to the center position next season just with hundred. Yeah that's tough. Right because they traded for drumming knowing that Thompson but those knowing they have thompson coming up as a free agent Germany as a free agent. Those kind of things I mean we gotta remember hundred drama was a complete salary dom to give up a second round picking garbage contracts to get him you know. So the Piston salary dumped him. So that's that's why just as an aside why it's funny when people are you'll all these teams should returning for under any buddy could have last year early it literally. Give was a couple of bad contracts and a second round pick and you could have had them and nobody did what? What's chant what changed in his one month the Cavalier Games that now all of a sudden this guy's this amazing asset Yeah. But the question of would they want tops and back I think there's something to this guy's way. He's got eight years in the League. Now Years in the League ten years all with Cleveland I think there's something. Those guys even when you're bad, it's hard to. See The guy, walk away and leave know there's you know that connection standpoint there we've seen you know players at that point in their career kind of stay and ride it out and the maybe they finish as. You. To the bench veteran guy you know at the end of their career deep into it. So yeah, curious what they would do I wouldn't do more than a couple of years if I was Cleveland. Just and I wouldn't certainly wouldn't go more than mid level money 'cause can get on the free agent market. But yeah, I guess is probably they'd bring back knowing maybe drawings not long for being there, and then you were right back in the starting five They also seem to like this idea Larry Nance at the three. They they did that a lot and it wasn't that you'll last season. So. He's not three he's. You know but but. On this team maybe he is now because the really only other threes are Chetty Osmond and Kevin Border Junior I like Puerto near a of you know I was a big Chetty Osmond. Guy. He was awful. Last season. So yeah, I think for the cavs it's more decide what you're GONNA do at Thompson they need. You're running it back with a new draft. Pick nobody on this roster of the young guys is often block you taking the absolute best player available I liked Areas Garland Colin sex and I think more than anybody except the garlands and the sexton. So. I actually think thinkable playing. So yeah but. I'm not so convinced that I would pass up anybody. So yeah. I think it's going to be pretty similar roster. We see back in Cleveland and the move star coming in season and the next offseason seasons. Really starts to take its turn as you move some of the more higher price guys out. Yeah I've the Lakers experimented with Larry nance junior as the three just a little bit out of necessity one season and it didn't go. Well, it's not. It's not his natural position but I mean, he can do it. He's improved which he's gone better yes and he has gotten better. But yeah, he can shoot a little bit. Now he can do a little bit of. Couple dribbles and where before during his Lakers time if he took more than one dribble, you knew it was going to end badly you know. So yeah. I. Think he's improved just enough. Yes he's not a three but would this team I kinda see why they can kind of against the yeah. We can force them in there a little bit. Yeah. Great Guy by the way learn history but. look at it, their salaries you know the they have a lot of those contracts. The teams want because they're very movable and you can toss him into a trade and they can add up to a lot. You know you've got Nance at eleven point seven. You've got Dante exum in there. You've got you've got Osmond in there almost nine million those are the kind of contracts that you. Want on a team because you can toss them in and then next thing you know you've got, you've got the ability to go out there and go after somebody bigger but they just haven't really had anybody on the roster pop nobody is really got going to are not gonna go after them. So I think it's another year at least of rebuilding and figuring out who are the guys that. We're going to build around long-term, and then meanwhile you're letting some of these contracts, Kinda get another year off of them and then, and then you move forward from there. There's not there's not like there's no clear path to okay. This is the team of the future here I don't think they're even at that yet they're still trying to accumulate the assets they need to put together a future core. Yeah have you had sex and our garland in your belief was A. Dare are dare our Donovan Mitchell dare data level of a player. Or maybe even Demo Mari. Now, you'll have days if you believe that they were there and they had shown that. To be at that level, then you feel a little more calm. Let's try to accelerate this thing a little do put a couple of weeks. Contracts together go get that other player increase the roster but yeah, right now no and they they finally get out of the tax after you know the Lebron years, which is not a criticism where it's the right thing to do go into the tax those years heck. You made four finals in a row clearly it worked. But they're finally out of the tax. The last thing they should be doing is pushing in here because it's just not there yet though you know it's it's going to be another long season in Cleveland. Building and you're going to be boy you're hoping is keep everybody healthy. So that way when those trade offers start calming, you can sift through them and find the best ones and moving those guys because because. Yeah because. There's no way you can't look in a single guy there and say next time this seems a playoff team. That's the Guy, right? Yeah. That that's our guy that just doesn't doesn't exist he could be garland or sexton could be. That's a couple years away before I. Feel Yo- any anywhere remotely comfortable saying that it's either one of them. Yeah. Yup. Agreed that's where the cavs are at and I think they'll be there for another year. I. I I think that wraps up that the Central Division Exciting de Division. I mean some interesting things with the bucks and the patients of course, and then you've got some other teams that are that are GonNa have some challenges ahead but it's the NBA. You're always a few smart moves away from clearing things up. Next thing you know you've got a path forward of lots going on around the league obviously hopefully, the next few days we will hear some some final more concrete news on win it starting and what the CAP is is set Adan and maybe win free agency officially begins even though technically already. Lots. We're we're we're one. You know Whoa just twee away from this whole thing unraveling of so-and-so's agreed with. Once the first player comes out this whole thing's GonNa Fall Art and at that point if you're the NBA, you might as well say screw and it's open go go talk open the slug it's yeah. Yeah man we're. We know where we're getting. Down to it who. Would that. So yeah. It's great. Yarmouth. Were we're back at it doing this every week because they say know this is this is the time right I we talk and all this stuff maybe next time. Okay. See as a coach probably by the time we hang up probably know they'll. They'll of heart kept looking at my phone. For but. I'm probably what fifteen minutes too early. That's right for that. So fifteen minutes from now is about one nine news will come up. Yeah, man it's out. This is great. This is this is awesome. There's so much good stuff to calm and it's the NBA it always delivers. That's right. 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Lakers Defeat Raptors, McLemore Signs

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Lakers Defeat Raptors, McLemore Signs

"Bleeding purple and gold from the Heart of Los Angeles is the lakersnation.com podcast with a Euros Trevor Lane. Hello Lakers Nation. Welcome in AAA near for lakersnation.com. This is the Lakers Nation live postgame show in your Lakers just picked up a much-needed win against the Toronto Raptors dominant performance. The three pointers finally start to fall in love to see that the game got a little bit Scrappy we're going to talk about what happened there dentist router what's going on some, you know a little bit of a confrontation with Coach Frank Vogel all kinds of stuff to dive into tonight joining me is Matt Peralta from lakersnation.com Matt, so nice to be able to come out here and talk about a win especially given the the current situation. The Lakers are in in the Stanley Cup. Yeah, I'm happy we need wins right now. We we need to take them. However, we get them Toronto was one of the games I scheduled that was scheduled. I was like, oh the Lakers should probably win this one especially since they're so short-handed that came out and did just that so, you know, I feel pretty good that we're treading water and that's all you know. I said going into this game that just like the game against the Sacramento Kings because this was a winnable game that inherently makes it a must begin because frankly the Lakers are going to have games where they just don't have the Firepower to keep up with some of these other teams. For example, we saw that against the Clippers the other day but tonight being a winnable game. They had to come out approach it as a must-win and I feel like they did the energy on both ends of the floor the execution and was on a different level and that was so great to see to see them step up coming off that loss to the Clippers. I was really pleased with what we saw will get into all the different players because there were so many guys tonight. Like I'm already having trouble. Yeah figuring out who the next man up award is going to go to and not because like on Sunday, we're there just wage. Many options tonight there were two there's too many options. There's so many guys we could give this to Yeah, you you heard the the players talk after the blowout loss of the Clippers that they needed emphasized ball movement and mad movement. I think you saw a lot of that in the first half especially the first quarter where they just decided to blow the doors off the Raptors by shooting. Well from Beyond The Arc it was really impressive to see if that kind of you know play that we have to come to expect from the Lakers if they want to pull out games. And so yeah, it was it was a good night all around 4, basically every woman who played tonight there was once that I think throughout the night that the broadcast mentioned that anyone that took a 3-pointer today actually made one. I don't know if you're going to see that again this reason but it's good that it came tonight against a team that they needed to they needed. This one. So I'm having a Laker shot 45% from 3 win the game 1:10 to 1:01, which doesn't really tell the story when you see that that you know, 1:10 to 1 on 1 9 point game you go. Oh, well, we kind of close know the Lakers had a big big lead most of the way through you got into garbage time in the Raptors chipped away at some of it but the Lakers one point they were up by Thirty what 31-34? Yep. So yeah, they they had a they had a quite a performance especially from behind the arc as we said 45% from the three-point line only 64% from 321 turnovers. It wasn't all great. But tonight the shooting was so good. And I thought defensively especially in the first half. The intensity was their their commitment to their rotations was there and they were really really causing some problems for his team that played last night. So this was the second night of a back-to-back very undermanned team. They're missing Kyle Lowry missing Fred Van Vleet number of other players and it was good to see the Lakers just come out with that kind of kind of focusing that kind of poise and take care of business. Yeah, I think the players know that when it comes to games like these against the Raptors where they're shorthanded. They're coming off the second end of a back-to-back. They know that they have to come in here and get the win and I was happy to see them actually just go out and do it off. You know what LeBron James and Anthony Davis are healthy the Lakers typically like to you know, slow play the game feel it out and then pounced but I like that this unit particularly was just let's go out there as soon as the. Let's go out there and play as hard as we possibly can to hard on both ends. So, yeah, you couldn't ask for anything more honestly like you like you said 1:10 one, that one is not very indicative of how the game actually went. This game was a black and was essentially over basically by halftime when they were up by so much. So, yeah, absolutely. I've seen all the questions and comments come and flying in from YouTube from Facebook from Periscope appreciate all of you guys and we are going to be giving away some lakersnation.com license plate frames here tonight. So all you. Do you hear your name get called right? You ask a question great. Shoot me a DM on Twitter at Trevor underscore Lane. I'll send you a lakersnation.com license plate frame. All you got to do send me your name mailing address wrong email address. So let's get into some of your questions and comments on tonight's game. We also have the signing of Ben McLemore to talk about that came out earlier today could be a very nice pickup for the Laker. So we'll break that down as long but let's get into what you guys think right now. So I'm looking at your comments and a lot coming in from Facebook a lot more coming in from YouTube. Let's see. I guess first one Terrence speaking from YouTube. When will we see Ben McLemore play? So here's the thing. Right? I mean you have to get passed through the covert protocols and all that kind of stuff first. So obviously wasn't played today the first opportunity then would be Thursday's game. I can't remember off top my head. Who was do you know who that is against Matt? I don't remember I was so focused on this one. He played the he he's the first opportunity. That would be Thursday's game against Miami. I don't know to me that feels even a little bit, quick, but I guess we we could see him out there on Thursday. Yeah, I'm thinking you know best case scenario is maybe Saturday against the Nets but if I had to put money on it, I'd maybe guess Monday against the against the Knicks. I think, you know Frank Vogel might want to give them some practical and get acclimated with the team. We don't even know if they'll be able to join the team by Thursday. So that's why I don't think he'll be there by then. So I think best case scenario Saturday, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't always interesting that you know, Trump's running of broke the news earlier today. What was it around noon Pacific time and then the Lakers did announce it until the middle of the the Lakers vs Raptors game and that was weird timing. I thought you announce that you're bringing in a new age while your team is actually playing but that's when you've got that maybe it was just something, you know, he wasn't able to physically sign the document until that time something like that must have been going on cuz normally you'll see that you don't see a team-mate that kind of announcement while their players are out there on the floor. Yeah, normally the reporter breaks the news as soon as the players signed the contract or they preferred more fully agree to terms. So maybe there was just some logistical thing. But yeah, it was a little odd to see them break the news right in the middle of a game. But hey, it's a flashing purple and gold go to bring some 3-point shooting Sunny Foster from YouTube is Drummond signing making Gasol fight for his starting spot. We have seen an uptick from y'all have it. We in in the last few games tonight six four nine shooting, which is nice 143 from behind the The Arc nine rebounds five assists four blocks Marcus all cats jump or any got four blocks that's impressive 13 points O2 from the free throw line, which is weird. He's a good free-throw shooter. But what what was your take on Mark's always this was this just Revenge game Castle. He's playing his former team or or is this the new Marcus all that? We that we should expect here. I think it's a couple of things honestly, but yeah, I mean, it's not it doesn't take you know, a lot of a lot of people to don't take much to read into his comments and you know, he's clearly frustrated. He's not happy with this role on Drake seems to be on the verge of returning Frank Vogel said pregame that his toes getting better. He could suit up against Miami. So, you know, this might have been the last time Mark gets just starting for the team. So maybe he's playing with a little bit more energy and fired me because he needs to tell Vogel. Hey, I can still do stuff you should start me still so I think it's a combination of that. I mean, of course as a Revenge Factor because the Raptors clearly did try super hard to keep Mark offseason. So maybe there's a little bit of that but I honestly do think it's really just a matter of him not being comfortable with being relegated to the bench and wanting to start because you have to remember every NBA players are competitive or even no matter how old you are. How watched it might be. You still want to play games Mark came to the Lakers expecting to start and he did in to just basically sign a guy off the Bayou Market and have him Waltz in and take your birth. Bought to not be fun. So I completely understand his side of it. So I think tonight was really just a reminder of hey, even though I'm not what I used to be. I could still be productive when you give me a shot. So now I think Frank mobile home. I think he's going to be forced to play mark in some capacity even if that's going to be you know, one or two stamps off the bench. I think he has no choice but to play more like it's like Monty Python and the Holy Grail which I know is way way before your time and everything, but they're trying to put you know, they're trying to put the guy on the card and he's saying I'm not dead yet. That's that's Marcus. All right. Now he's saying he's saying I'm still here. I'm still alive. I can still play this game. He's doing it on a high level right now, which is great to see for him and great for the Lakers, you know, he did play extra minutes tonight because what happened with trays and we're going to get into that situation in just a minute but definitely 20 minutes but still this you watch the Lakers to have this problem. You want Marcus all to have this kind of Fire come out here and play well and really make it a tough for Andre Drummond to come in and take his spot and drone probably does come back next game. That's what it's sounding. My first they said one to two games. This is game number three, but it really does sound like he'll be back in action on Thursday. Yeah, I I think Andre Drummond will probably more than likely suit up Thursday. I think Mark goes back to the bench, but I don't think you're going to see him. Just enter the second half after some sort of injury. I think Mark will see the floor at some point. So yeah, I hope this continues it's a good problem to have obviously, you know, you want to you ideally keep some of these frustrations more in house and not you know, tell media, but it's hard to blame a guy who's been starting basically the whole year and then took them basically sit for an entire game until again an injury arises. So I think we do see Mark on Thursday, but I also do expect drama to see artists. Yeah, I agree. I'm seeing some people mentioned the um talking about this right before we came on the air LeBron James the picture that went out on Instagram LeBron walking. Yeah without a boot on his foot. It's a good sign, right? I mean that that's great doesn't mean he's like I'm coming back next game or anything like that. But the last thing we saw was him in his home gym working out with this big boot on his foot now, he's out and about not wearing it on the road trip with the Lakers think that's got Would be a good sign. Yeah just tells me he's progressing through the entry of just fine. The original timeline was four to six weeks. He still about 2 and 1/2 3 weeks out from that time line. So I think it's right on schedule. And obviously it was good to see him on the bench during the guys on I think I need that boost in their leader. So yeah, hopefully LeBron's back sooner rather than later. I'm still not expecting till him to return so maybe closer to the end of the month, but all things considered it's good news to say that I wish there was some footage of him going around working out before the game taking sidestep threes or sidestep Jumpers. And so that was good to see not just stationary catch-and-shoot jumpers anymore. Now, he's adding movement to it. And so that's another step of progression. We know he has to get the two on to play three-on-three played five-on-five before he cleared actually returned so not back yet a good sign. I'm getting a lot of people asking what's going on with Dennis Schroder. So let's talk about that. Let's get into what happened what happened. So here's the scenario for anybody who didn't see it because I know This this was an early start time 4:30 Pacific. So this was in the first half. So in case you missed it, here's what went down Dennis Schroder was having some issues with turnovers fact, he got picked on a live dribble a couple of times. He was frustrated felt like he got fouled on one of them Frank Vogel with about three minutes. I was about four minutes actually left in the second quarter pulled him pulled him out of the month and it wasn't in foul trouble or anything like that. But but Frank Vogel pulled him from the game because you kept turning the ball over at least I believe that's me assuming it was because of the turnovers why he pulled them I guess Vogel will have to join us on that. But but so he gets pulled out of the game was clearly not happy with Frank Vogel. They had a few words what exactly they said not sure but they had a few words. Obviously the game had been pretty physical. We'll talk about the play where OG anunoby got kicked out because he Single Leg Takedown like mma-style Dennis Schroder and we'll talk about that one in Jos. But so it was a it was a pretty emotional game at that point. It's a shorter was frustrated and said some things to Vogel and Jason Kidd assistant coach for the Lakers and Anthony Davis took did shooter away from Vogel and over off to the side and eventually once kid had to kind of go back over it became Jared Dudley and Anthony Davis talking to Dennis Schroder and gave him kind of settled down. Not a great look but understandable why sure will be frustrated in that moment. What was your take on the situation? Were you surprised to see that is this frustration boiling over that's been building up for weeks or do you think this was more just an isolated incident? What what was your takeaway here? I think for me personally, I think it's more of an isolated incident. I think you know in the game in the middle of a game Flow, especially if you've played basketball before things get pretty intense, especially if you think you know, you're you're not getting calls or you're there's a lot more bout going on. So it's easy for players to get riled up a lot easier and I think shooter was honestly struggling holding onto the ball. He's been pretty careless with the bomb the past few games. I mean, you could probably say that for the whole season really but in this particular game, I thought he just wasn't very good taking care of it so I can understand why Frank would want to pull him and you know, get a c in there and give him some more run time to kind of settle down the offense so I don't take I don't really make too much money. We lost Matt for a second there, but he's basically saying he doesn't make too much out of it, which I think is probably the way to go here as much as we can, you know, sensationalize things. We grab onto things and we think oh, it's this this super big deal that that the Lakers were were having this happen between the player and a coach. I tend to think it's just a heat-of-the-moment thing if this was happening consistently throughout the year that maybe it would be a bigger problem. But for right now, I'm not going to worry about it too much but it's something to keep an eye on and we'll see if this is something that that does happen again in the future. All right guys, I'm seeing more questions and comments coming in. I'm assuming Matt. Well, we'll get back. Oh, no, I've got a comment here said I got snapped by Thanos. Oh no. I hope that's that's not what happened. He's just Frozen right now. That's okay. Looks like he'll be staying right here for the moment. We'll see if we can get him. Back in here on the call, but you know, I'll work on bringing them in right now. I've got a great quote here. It just popped up on my timeline and I think even though it off when I was planning on getting into right now. I think we have to stop and mention it Montrezl Harrell. This is by our own Ryan Ward on if he had any issues with Raptors players. My beef is with anybody who doesn't have a Lakers jersey. I love it. I love that quote Montrezl Harrell came flying again. I guess what let's just get into this topic. So Dennis Schroder hard Fallon OG anunoby as he waved to shoot and and shooter held them up did the right thing right? This is what NBA players are supposed to do did the right thing held up and Adobe prevented him from going crashing to the floor and nov grabs. Hold of his leg and dumps him onto the ground, right? It was like an MMA it was like George Saint Pierre, right just took him to the ground and tries came flying in and pushed a couple of raptors players and got between the Raptors and his teammate and it exactly what you would expect tries to do. Right you did exactly as it as a coach. I would applauded him and commended him for standing of his teammate who was vulnerable down on the ground and Treads went in there and protected him stood up for him. That's great. That is exactly what you want. And yet he got kicked out of the game. The referees were what we're doing when I use bad, I guess in this game. It was not good. There were a number of back and and I both sides there was a I mean Marcus all fouled bembry across the whole arm and the rep just said play on. I mean we've see we saw some really really weird. I called on both sides here. Looks like Matt's coming back in here some really weird calls on both sides the Reps were not great. But I do think that in this situation Montrezl Harrell get kicked out was not warranted. Okay o g anunoby. Yes, you you you basically pulled off an MMA move in a basketball game. That's yeah, you're going to get a ejected for that Montrezl Harrell came in Muncie a technical foul because he did push but he also played Peacekeeper. He got between his teammate and the Raptors and split that up from becoming a bigger issue. So I didn't agree with that was not a fan if you saw my comments on Twitter page. Know how I felt about that one. It did not make sense at all the way that went down but perhaps that contributed to just the overall kind of heightened emotion of this game Matt. Looks like we've we've got you back in here. You're back you the the chat was guessing you had been fan of snapped. Yeah, the blip happened. I'm sorry. I'm back though. What I miss it's five years in the in the future. Right if anyone's watching the Marvel stuff like that plus we can talk after but I'm back. I'm back. Well, we were just talking about the the whole situation with OG anunoby doing the Georges Saint-Pierre take down on on Dennis Schroder. What was your thought on that situation? And did you like the way the referees handled that off two things one completely unwarranted to did not like how that was handled at all. I didn't think to reserve to get kicked out for that. I thought it was going to be at rest Gary Trent Jr. Double Tech. Maybe I thought obviously OTG. Nobody had to have been removed from the game after doing that. So yeah, no just I don't understand Dennis was trying to hold him up just decides to pick him up and then act like he didn't do anything afterwards like come on down. Like that's just ridiculous. I get it. The Raptors were down big already at that point. It was well on the way to a blowout guys are probably frustrated just got blown out the night before so I'm sure there must have been some fresh. Station building up there are some frustration already, but it's just completely unwarranted. That's just there's no place for that in basketball. Well, the the Raptors won their previous game, right? Yeah. Yeah, they'd be talking about the war. They beat the Wizards game at the buzzer. Then they blew out the Warriors, but they did lose to the Thunder and the piss they they were on a losing streak right before that, right? Okay. And they're trying to play for playoffs right now. They're sitting at the club scene. So they're desperately trying to get in. So this is a big game for them to just like it was a big game for us. Maybe 11 seed. It was for the Raptors. I see. Well, yeah, either way I mean like come on like rock sport Alejandro glue from YouTube said, where's the n w h a b r talking about Chris Masters the Masterpiece he is right now traveling back home. And so he's planning on being back. I think he said he'd be back for the Miami game. I always mix it up who's going to be around for a game, but I'm pretty sure he said he'll be back for the Miami game. I was texting with him earlier today. So yeah, don't worry. He's coming back. All right, let's let's get into the next man up along. Let's get to that. Here we go. All right, Matt broad. So who is your next man up for the Lakers for this game? And I love that. We've got a lot of options. We we've got so many options that I'm so tempted to pick something against the grain. Like can I pick Ben McLemore for the shooting boost? Even though he didn't suit up tonight? Is that a thing the Lakers or 45% free since Ben McLemore signed think that's a hell. Yeah. So we we talked about how he would address the three-point shooting need we didn't necessarily say he'd be the ones hitting all the threes right now. Okay, I'm going to be serious. I think I think that there's there are a few good options here. I think I'm actually going to go with THD tonight surprisingly just saw the staff from lakerfilmroom. This is actually the first game that teach these ever led the Lakers in scoring with sixteen which again not much of a not much of a high-scoring not much of a high scoring night. But that just comes to speak to how well balanced the offensive attack was but I thought tht was good tonight does what he does gets to the rim knock down to three had a couple of ones but we're going to just ignore those and focus on the good ones. Yeah. I thought he had us all at night all around gave the team scoring punch kept the Raptors at Bay when they looked like they might go on a little bit of Rome. Make it more of a game. So Props it to you. See you tonight good for him. That's a great pic. And I would I would pick somebody else right just a mix it up a little bit. I think there's some guys we could certainly say Markieff Morris with dead birds and 15.6. My second shooting. He was was also great. But I mean if I'm being realized that tht was the bigger Difference Maker on the night, he was tremendous and here's what I really love is not seen a Talen horton-tucker that has been may be hesitant is the word I want to use for as a three-point shooter right THD has been a little bit reluctant to take that shot because he hasn't shot it very well. He's been the worst 3-point shooter on the Lakers sitting right around the mid-20s twenty-five twenty-six percent right in there tonight. We saw an aggressive Talen Horton Tucker. That was not only taking the shots, but the shot looked better looked like he was shooting it with confidence. He was shooting it knowing he was going to make it rather than shooting at hoping he didn't miss it and there is a difference there. And so Talen Horton Tucker tonight. I thought was tremendous did have four turnovers. But again, The amount of of time he spent handling the ball 26 minutes tonight. I think we'll be okay with that 6 is this for board 17 points? Like you said, he was fantastic fantastic and this is now three good games in Iraq. Then I have to wonder, you know, we talk about revenge games Matt. Is there such a thing as like like an anti revenge like the Raptors were trying to trade for Taylor Tucker and they couldn't couldn't get that done at 5ghz had to go out and show them just how good he really is. I think that might be part of it. It's like hey, look what you guys could have had but I'm going to just decide to destroy you tonight. I think we'd be remiss though not to point out Marcus all yeah, we mentioned him at the top of this but Mark probably his best game as a Laker. I think overall he filled up the stat sheet. I'm looking at it. Now thirteen points 9 rebounds five assists four blocks, like what we said, even though the man does not get off much off the ground dead. So I thought this was the quintessential Mark game. I think this is kind of the player that Lakers fans thought they were going to be getting when he signed with them this offseason so kudos to mark for you know, kicking into high gear showing vocal something left in the tank. I like seeing this Edge for Mark like you should not be happy not playing like I get wanting to be a good teammate I get wanting to do what's best for your teammates and stuff and you know a bed with the coaching staff wants from you. But I think you know at the end of the day, you're still a competitor. You're still an NBA player you want to be out on the floor and I thought tonight was a really good, you know kind of a throwback game for him to show them like hey, there's a reason why I was so good and there's a reason why I can still control. Tribute, so I wanted I wanted to highlight Mark also know that that's a good call and I I really like the way he's been fighting for rebounds slightly on a different level, you know for a while there. He was boxing Other Guys box nice guy out in order to let other people grabbed the rebound and I think he was taking criticism for that. And now the Lakers bringing Andre Drummond who can put in put up some gaudy rebounding numbers and Mark when I better start grabbing some of these myself and and so tonight nine boards, which was which was great the five turnovers not so great. But otherwise overall a pretty nice performance from from Mark and this one so gotta like that too. Yeah, I don't mind the five turnovers too much that just shows me that they're trusting him to make decisions on the floor. And I think that's the best use you're going to get out a mark especially going forward. So I can't I can't be too mad about it. So let's talk about real quick. Let me let me throw this at you who had the better night tonight Talen horton-tucker or Dennis Schroder. Who do you feel was was better? Let's see, we just talked about Taylor and 17.6. It says four boards Dennis is showing up with twelve points nine assists two steals. Great Club. I honestly do I think you felt tht is impact more. I think this is probably Dennis's work maybe close to Dennis is best for General game, especially in the first quarter where I thought he was doing a really good job of initiate the offense and getting guys involved get seven assists in the first quarter, which is pretty damn good. So I think you felt it more there but I think the overall night I think belong to tht. I just felt like when he came into Lakers had more faith in their step a little bit more energy. So I think THD but I think that has had us all in night to verbal spat. You know, what's normal standing? Yeah. I think that's that's pretty much right on the money. I think tht was better but I like that you picked up on Dennis Schroder and what he was doing especially in that first quarter there there was one plate because we've been very critical of Dentistry we're saying yeah, you know, he picked up his scoring a little bit off. Yeah, the Lakers need him to make everybody else better with LeBron James out and he hasn't been doing that. And so tonight there was a play where he's coming down the floor in semi transition gets a defender on a chip gets into the paint right around the free throw line pays attention head on a swivel collapses. The defense fires a pass out. It was kind of like a almost a Look Away pass out to Markieff Morris back hits the three and and it was just a nice play that you don't normally see him make it made me take notice of it. Say what that that is what we've been looking for two inches shorter to actually act as the quarterback for the offense not just be hey if he's not scoring. He's not really providing a lot. So I think he was good in that sense, but I'm getting a lot of people in the chat saying tht should handle the basketball more and I do think that this does not happen often. But tonight I think Talen Horton Tucker was the better point guard cuz that's really the role that he played compared to Dennis Schroder tonight. Yep, I think I think you can make that argument. For sure. I think the thing with Dennis is that he's definitely well the thing about Dennis and THC. They're they're both Score first guards. Dennis is you know gets the point guard label, but he's really more of like a smaller shooting off my opinion. So I think with LeBron being out forcing him to you know, play make a little bit more as a little bit outside of his comfort zone, but I think he's been adjusting really well. He's he's throwing passes good passes before he's made plays guys are making shots. I think tonight is just an example of what the Lakers offense looks like when they're actually are hitting shots. So I think you know that respect Dennis is, you know doing just fine as a playmaker passer. But yeah, I mean if you want to do was the better point guard or not neces, I wouldn't necessarily argue with you too much. I thought he had some nice chemistry with some of the big especially the blonde take a call for instance. So yeah, I totally see the argument and I can't disagree too much with it off. Oh, we've got a little bit of breaking news here Matt. I wish I had a breaking news button. In fact, I have two things. Two bits of breaking news our own Ryan says despite Marcus all having impressive couple of games Andre Drummond will be the starter at Center when he returns according to Frank Vogel. So that's I mean, that's what we expected but still now there it is for sure Marcus all did not win back his starting spot and then the second thing from Jovan buha of the athletic Frank Vogel says Ben McLemore will join the Lakers tonight and be available to play in Miami on Thursday. So there you go. This is why I'm not a betting guy. Yeah. This is why I don't bet that's good news. There we go bodies. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. So on Thursday, we're going to see most likely the return of Andre Drummond and we're going to see potentially the debut of Ben McLemore. We're going to see off to new players. I mean, we've only seen 14 minutes so far of Andre Drummond, there's going to be two essentially new guys in the rotation on Thursday. Yeah, I think German singing drumming back will be a big boost of the teams are going to be playing against bam. Adebayo. So we'll definitely be dropping for that and then seeing that Macklemore maybe take the floor. That'd be nice with you. I I can't imagine he's going to see too much more time barring a blowout on either end. So we'll see but yeah, it's good news. The Lakers are banged up. They need bodies Ben. McLemore's fresh just got bought out Andre Drummond presumably is going to be you know, probably still weathering through that toe injury but and being available is still better than not him not so absolutely absolutely and you know, what like maybe Marcus all has one back some minutes because remember in that first game against the Bucs it looked like Marcus all was not in the game plan. It looked like he was not going to play right? That's that's where we were and I would think that Gasol has probably have nothing else back some minutes with how he's played in the last few games. I think so too. I you know, you heard gurgles a bubble talk about the possibility of him and Montrezl Harrell sharing the floor together to I wouldn't be surprised if Thursday against Miami is the first time you see that conflagration on the floor. So we'll see but yeah, I think Mark's definitely proven that he needs some minutes now specifically against Miami. I'm just kind of thinking on the Fly here bam. Adebayo is a pretty mobile big. I think you're going to need to rely on Andre Drummond more and Montrezl Harrell more. Where's Marcus all I don't know that he is the mobility to deal with bam on a bio. It's not to say it's a complete mismatch their wage, but it would be a bit more of a challenge. So I wonder if just match up wise we wind up seeing this all a little bit less than you might in a different matchup. That's true. I think you know, I think Mark will get some minutes if Miami decides to bust out a two three Zone that they like to pull out most of the time also. So in that case if we need more for spacing, I think you see Mark more and this is Jacob Vogel talks about right. It depends on matchups and what the other teams doing if we need more shooting and playmaking. I think you'll see Mark more if you just need more of an interior presence to see Drummond and to a lesser lesser extent Harold. So I think it's kind of based on how the game Flow goes, but I do think Mark will see the four somewhat on Thursday. I've got some people in the chat that are mentioning that Andre Drummond is not that mobile. No, he's not but he's a lot more mobile than Marcus all I mean that's that's one of the advantages of going to Drummond is he's more mobile is quicker on his feet than gazala's because most players are Montrezl Harrell's probably quicker than both of German and Harold life kind of close, but you do get a little bit more Mobility out of drumming than you do compared to the Salt. I don't think that's in question. Okay. So from the Lakers Nation account, we've got wage. Vogel a quote here talking about Ben McLemore, which I think is great said they the Lakers had to know where he's at at all times in regards to the Lakers playing against McLemore and Justin rockets in the playoffs and said we're thrilled with this addition. So Frank vogel's saw how well McLemore shot against the Lakers previously and that's why they're so excited to have this guy because he's a guy you always have to do is if you lose sight of him, like, I don't know if you're paying too much attention to LeBron James. Or Anthony Davis Ben McLemore if he gets the ball fired out to him he can knock down shots. Yeah, like what we said kind of really on our video together Ben McLemore is on the team strictly for shooting. So if he is able to knock down a couple of trees to make a defense pay then it's completely worth it. I think that change came in and of itself. So and you rated you made a great point about insurance for Wes Matthews and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, if those two guys are struggling from the field, which we know is definitely possible in any given night. You came on a Ben McLemore type and now you've got another, you know in theory at 383 three-point shooter. So I think the Lakers are just covering their bases here. I think Vogel hit it right on the head is that you know, Ben McLemore when you get enough space you have to be wary of that. So hopefully he picks up his shooting and he's a worthwhile addition for the Lakers Royal. Rosino from Facebook said, how is Macklemore's defense? Not good, not good, and I could very very mad. Yes, but but the big question is what is his defense that bad because he was with rockets on a Mike D'Antoni team with Mike D'Antoni teams are not known for their defense at all. And will he then be better now on the Lakers on a Frank Vogel team where the defense is pretty locked in. I mean, this is not healthy. This is the best defense in the NBA. Will that bring up his defensive performance or is he just that bad of a Defender which case if he is just that bad of a Defender Frank Vogel is probably going to get a little bit crazy with them and and he's going to have trouble putting him on the floor. So that's going to be a big big thing to watch is Ben McLemore defensively. I know we're all going to be paying attention to the threes. But Kathy be at least passable defensively so we can stay on the floor. Yeah, I think you know when it comes to defense a lot of it is just comes down to straight-up effort. So I think on a LeBron James Anthony Davis LED team, especially in playing for a defensive-minded coach like Frank Vogel. I think Ben McLemore has an understanding that if he doesn't play defense or at least tries on that end. He's not going to see the floor at all. So I think that's going to be part of it one too. I think you know, I trust vocal to coach up guys, you know in terms of technique scheme. So I think Ben McLemore should be passable. Hopefully it and it also really depends on what you're going to ask him to do. You're not going to ask him to check bigger Wings. He's not very big he's about six three I think less than 200 off. So, you know, he's going to be primarily on guards if they're going to be in their bass man defense. So we're I'm interested to see as you know, like how does he do chasing guys off screens scrambling behind the defense, you know, I think that's where you'll see, you know, whether or not he can hang if you can do those things at a you know, at an average or mediocre level. I think you can stay on the floor but remains to be seen but yeah, I mean if he's playing for something and trying to age 4 minutes and it's going to come on the defensive end for sure. You can hit threes by if they're giving up points. Then he's not going to see the floor and on the plus side. That was actually where his defense rated out as the best was on the perimeter contesting three point. It's not that he was great defender or anything but that was where individually he was at his best anywhere closer to the basket. He really really struggled which I mean, it'd be six three. That's not a surprise makes sense. Yeah for Frank vogel's defense took the Lakers have been really good contesting three-point line. Maybe it will be a fed or at least I'm optimistic that things will work out there. Let's do let me tell you about one more thing before we get into the Master Lock of the night. I've got a lot of people in here talking about Dennis Schroder and what the Lakers should do with him and and what they should do long term with him all kinds of stuff. Some people say extruders not a real Laker all kinds of things that are flying in here about shooter and I get there's some frustration with him because he's not signing that extension which puts the Lakers in a difficult spot, which is going to make money. Just feel a certain way because fans care about the front of the jersey and not the back right so that that's a challenge. But if you were a rough pelinka and you're negotiating a shrewder has schruder done anything with LeBron out to make you think he's worth more than the four years eighty plus million Eighty-Four to eighty six million right in that range that the lady have reportedly offered him. I don't I don't feel like he has yeah, I I think I get the hesitancy for sure because I think anytime you're paying upwards of twenty million a year for a guy who's probably at best. Your third option is a little it might make you a little squeamish to think about that and then obviously with Anthony Davis and LeBron James being out Shooters usage has just gone way up. It's just a matter of what he's doing with those extra possessions where it gets the actual handle the ball. So yeah, it's a little underwhelming if you look at it from that perspective, but then if you want to put things into context the Lakers had dentist shooter or they they traded firm essentially to play off of LeBron and KD. He's the ball-handling load score knocked down open to play good defense, which he has done. I think that's probably been his best attribute honestly so far this season, so I think you know, when you take away the two stars you're going to leave guys in roles that they are not well-equipped to do. I'm in it earlier in our Twitter spaces conversation with me you and I and about how I don't think Dennis shooter is well equipped to be a number one option. Maybe not even a number too. So I think he's really a guard you need to have SARS. Revolve around and to play off of so yeah from that perspective. I I totally understand why he's been underwhelming and struggling as far as the dollar amount goes. I've been saying for a while now, I think the Lakers ultimately do laundry sign him. It's just hard for me to imagine right now what team is going to offer him more than what the Lakers are currently reportedly offering if that if that report about eighty four eighty six million is true. I think if money is even across the league. I think Dennis ultimately does stay unless the Lakers just somehow piss him off royally between now and whenever the off season starts so we'll see but yeah, I don't think I don't know if he necessarily learned more money, but I definitely don't think he's necessarily lost money either. Yeah. I mean that's that's true especially because the Lakers can't really replace him. It's like if he leaves they don't suddenly get $16 off and out there on the market. They'll still be in over the cap team and so he knows yet. He understands. I mean, that's why Drew holiday just got four years 160 million. Which actually worries me a little bit. Like shorter sees Jrue Holiday get four years a hundred sixty million. He's got to be thinking and don't get me or I would take Jrue Holiday all day every day ahead of Dennis shooter part of that is I'm a big fan of your holidays game, but I just think he is objectively a better player than Dennis router is but is the difference so much that he should basically be getting double what Dennis Sherwood get off that something we could debate but if you're Dennis sugar and you're looking at that contract wouldn't you probably think? Yeah, maybe somebody will pay me more if this other guy who plays essentially the same position as me and I know a nice day plays off the ball a lot too. But if this other guard on a very thin Market just got a hundred sixty million. Why should I take half of that? So I guess I could understand that thinking as well. Yeah, I mean you have to consider to the Jew holiday things kind of a unique situation cuz they needed to keep him to make you on as happy. They traded all those pics for him. And so it only made sense for them to Shell out to make sure they kept him but yeah to a point. I mean Dennis shooter is definitely looking at that contract going. Yeah, I definitely think I'm worth, you know, maybe not necessary a hundred sixty million, but I'm definitely worth more than what I'm getting offered. I think it's just normal for any NBA player to think they're worth more money will actually get so we'll see their contract negotiations. I'm not even sure if they're still ongoing. I know we had that that Instagram comment about him signing in the offseason not really sure what that's about. But hey, I don't know anything. So we'll see. I think Dennis is a Laker long-term. I'm still pretty optimistic about it, but I've been saying for a while now too. I don't think anything gets done until after the playoffs. Yeah. Unfortunately, that means it's a bit of a waiting game and it'll be a bit stressful once we get two free agency as well because Lakers can't really replace shorter. So we'll see what happens there. All right, let's get into this. Let's do the Master Lock of the name. Obviously plenty of targets tonight plenty of people who were kind of annoying in this game. So let's get into it. Let's get this going. Oh and guys if you are coming in from Facebook from YouTube Periscope, wherever let us know. Who would you put in the Master Lock? Here we go. I'm all right, so I am getting a lot and I said we have a lot of different options. I'm getting a lot of different comments in here about who should be put in the Master Lock and I love that. We're getting kind of variety so Matt, who do you have as your master lock of the night? I mean, I know there's the obvious answer. So I'm going to try and avoid it. I like to you know, I like to go against the grain on these things. So I I'm going to pick Nick nurse and the reason why picnic number is because when the game is very clearly out of hand. Me and Trevor were actually talking right before this call about how the game was basically over but I had to tell Trevor that hey the game still going on because Nick nurse decides to challenge call 20 seconds left with the Lakers are basically ten points with no way of them coming back. So shout out to Nick nurse for you know, delaying this broadcast a little bit. But yes, I do not agree with challenging calls when your team is clearly just about to lose. So that's my pick for today. Yes, especially when we're waiting to start a show. Come on big nurse don't need to be donated not consider it. All right song Imagine like I will go with the obvious one. I'm going to say OG anunoby, right and I'm seeing a lot of people saying Master Lock the rest I'm going in fact, just came out right now are from our own Brian Ward Dennis Schroder on his authors. Issue with o j a n o b said just unnecessary. You've got to go to the WWE with that. Yeah, that was a wrestling style take down why you would try that in the middle of an NBA game wage is ridiculous and it's not only a master like because he tried to pull that off because it got Montrezl Harrell removed from the game as well. Cuz tries had to go in there and stand up for his teammate which I one hundred percent support treads on I would rather he do that than not do that. So of course so you wind up losing Montrezl Harrell as well plus router gets taken down OG anunoby very very worried. The should be put in the Master Lock. It's only fair. You pulled a wrestling move on Dennis Schroder Chris Masters puts you in a wrestling hold o g anunoby so we are going to be sending the master of your way. Yep, and then also, you know special special remarks for Gary Trent Jr. For deciding to Elbow. I was curious on a three point shot to draw and draw a foul also, not not, you know, not basketball so that that would have been my own no mention for the night too. And that's a great point. I loved that the referees called that as an offensive, but I would have been even more happy if they'd call that a flagrant because you live with the elbow there but this has been a plague in the NBA and it gave me crazy. Defenders are entitled to their space too. I'm tired of these office. I don't care if it's Laker. I'm tired of offensive players trying to get a Defender off of the off the ground and then just flinging themselves into that player and expecting a whistle you're creating dangerous situations and it's cheap fouls, right? You're basically making where you can't even defend anybody who shooting the basketball. So I hate that that play wage and I'm so glad that the referee at that point the rest were not great tonight, but on that call they were on top of it. They recognized what happened and what and who was it that initiated the contact and they made the correct choice. Has been so that was great to see. Yeah, for sure. It's just not basketball. Like you don't you don't grow up, you know doing that kind of stuff you're not if you're taught that thing it's just exploitations of the rule which I get. You know, if I'm an NBA player and I need an edge and they're not going to correct it then by all means keep doing it. But as a fan it just kind of ruins the experience. It just mucks up a game. I don't like it. So yeah, I'm happy the rest finally got that one. Right if there's something that you're going to do in an NBA game that would get you laughed Off The Corner in a pick-up game don't do it. I think that's that's just that's just my general rule of thumb. Don't don't do that. I do think it's something the NBA needs to clean up. I think this is my solution Matt wage. I think there needs to be some sort of a clause put in about a natural shooting motion because we're seeing too many guys that are jumping sideways and like trying to fling the ball from their hip or whatever in a shooting motion that no one would ever practice. No one would ever actually try to attempt a shot that way. So I think that needs to be put in that there has to be a natural shooting Motion in order for it to be called a foul On the defensive player if you were just going up for a regular shot and an offender comes in and hits your arm. Yes that one hundred percent. That's a foul Defender jumps into you that's a foul defender puts his foot under you as you're trying to land that foul the offensive player jumping into the defender and then trying to heave the ball. That's not you gotta look at a natural shooting motion. Yeah, you either that's either or no call or you know, you have to punish the offensive player for doing and if you're going to if you're going to make a tangible impact or try to get rid of that whole whole idea of just jumping into shooters or flailing around to get fouls down there needs to be more ramifications for doing that for sure. All right, let's get into a few more questions and comments. I've got a question from YouTube coming in from James who said who starts at Center in the finals versus a healthy Nets team, but Davis. Yeah, probably right. Anthony Davis, I mean I think that's that's kind of the answer, right? Yeah, I I mean I get it I got the question, you know because do the Lakers want to you know, go to their trump card so early do they want to save it. Do they want to try and beat the Nets on the boards? Maybe they start drumming. So you found them inside get those easy baskets like we've been mentioned but I think when you're playing with the Nets with that much Firepower, you just need to start out with your best lineup. Otherwise, you're going to fall behind really quickly. So I think Anthony Davis have Center is just bought a vehicle investment for sure. So let me ask you that that begs the question if you're putting Anthony Davis in at the 5, right and you're sliding into our normal, he would start at the four who's coming into the starting lineup. I think let's see. Let's let's let's play this out. I think you're going to see Anthony Davis. You're going to see LeBron for sure. I think u c k CP so now I've got two spots. I think Dennis will be in there because you need someone Kyrie. So then now you've got that that last spot right? I think you're going to vacillate either between Kyle kuzma or Alex Caruso for me. Yeah, and that's probably where I would go as well. I'm looking at Alex Caruso. I think if you decide you really need that defensive versatility. I think he'd be a good one to go with if you decide you want to make up for the rebounding of losing saying Andre Drummond pulling him out of the middle, then you could turn to a Kyle kuzma because that's still that's still a pretty big light up. I know consider. Your front line is LeBron kuzma and Anthony Davis. Yeah, and then you're back cord is Dennis an AC, which is a pretty feisty backcourt. So yeah, I think I think I think I'd be okay with a c. I think I've talked myself into it. I think you know, you've got the dentist Kyrie matchup. You got Alex career. So James Harden home. You've probably got LeBron or Kyle kuzma taking Kevin Durant first. And then yeah, you got a D and then whoever is not guarding Katie left. So yeah, I think I'd go easy there in that case. Brian Wasserman with a good comment here says, what about Mark Morris? I mean, he's he's even in the starting lineup since she has been been down basically and he's been playing pretty well. Would he be a candidate to maybe take over that spot if you started Anthony Davis at the 5,000, I guess it depends on who the Nets are starting right? Because you're going to get their big three Kyrie KD Harden presumably maybe Joe Harris and then whatever they decide to do at the Five Spot. They could go Blake. They could go LaMarcus Aldridge. Maybe they just decide to go small but screen, who knows so yeah options. All right still firing through some of these questions and comments before we call it a night here. Give away a few more license plate frames Alex Junior from YouTube said who's minutes does McLemore take so McLemore in order to get into the game. Say Thursday Frank Vogel wants to put him into the game who loses minutes to Ben McLemore. God my immediate reaction is probably less just because I think between West I think a c p is just entrenched at this point. I don't think vocals going to move away from him off proven that he he does. Well as a starting to guard so I think him and Dennis are safe. I think Korea's those two invaluable defensively. I think tht has been playing too. Well these past weeks to to remove them. So I think it's going to be what's nice is that you takes I don't know how many cuz I know Volvo doesn't like to play too many guys. He was already struggling with an 11-man rotation. I can't imagine what he tried to do with twelve. So I think someone minutes to get cut and I think in this case, it's probably wage. Yeah agreed. I know I think that defensively I think Wes Matthews is on a different level than Ben McLemore. Maybe that's not the case may be on a good defense. We see Ben McLemore improved so I don't want to just make that a foregone conclusion, but I do think you're probably right. I think it's Wes Matthews, his minutes are probably the ones to go by the wayside particularly if the Lakers feel like the paint is really getting crowded defensively. So like if you were playing the Bucs, right the Milwaukee Bucks their whole defense wage Is predicated around packing the paint and forcing you to beat them with the three-pointer? That's a great game to put Ben McLemore and on the offensive and I'm not getting into the defensive end of the floor there. But on the offensive end, he's a great fit over a West Matthews because he's got the ability to stretch the floor and knock down those threes. I believe at a higher rate than than Wes Matthews. Well now although we did mention this earlier today when we did our job or Twitter spaces the Lakers seem to have this thing going on where whenever a shooter comes in the automatically loses like 5% of his three-point shooting or something like that. So hopefully that's not the case and McLemore is still a 40-plus percent three point shooter. The basketball Gods know that if the Lakers are ever a good three-point shooting team. They would just be too damn good so they have to take away something and in this case, it's three point shooting. All right, let's let's do one more here. Well, actually I think we have enough time for a couple more. So let's do this. I would just flew past me but basically somebody there it is Oliver P from YouTube's asking can the Lakers add another player. So at the moment the answer is no they have filled all of their roster spots. However, there's been some talk that maybe they could still wave somebody we also know August are April 9th coming up here is the deadline to buy out a player and have that player still be eligible for the playoffs off. So like they if they were going to waive somebody they would have to do it pretty quick here if they were going to try to open up another spot. Yeah, right now they're at fifteen. So it's impossible to add someone they'd have to cut someone I think your candidates are either Jared Dudley Rapunzel McKinney. If I'm if I if I think that's legal. So one of those to you guys would have to go off and then you presumably would need to find someone to redesign with you the next few days if you want them for the play-offs but here's the question is if you're cutting one of those guys, who are you getting because right now the Bayou markets really thin? I don't think Otto Porter Jr. Thought out after all there's some free agents that are so lying around like some some bigger names or some, you know, familiar names that you might want to add but I think at this point cutting, you know players just for the sake of cutting played a new one ruining some continuity in the locker rooms. I don't necessarily think that's the best idea so I would bet against anything like that and I think this is the roster that you see complain all times. Yeah, I agree. I don't think there's any more changes coming home. I've got people asking about about Otto Porter Jr. I've got people asking about Avery Bradley. Well, as of this moment, they are not free agents. They have been bought out. So and maybe that's, you know, maybe the Lakers heard. Those guys are not getting Bob. They said okay. We're pulling the trigger on Ben McLemore could be yep. That's true, too. Yeah, they probably just said hey, these are this is our best option. No one's going to no one else is going to be available. Let's just scooped him up now. So I think that's honestly what happened off. All right, let's do one more and this is kind of a big big picture question here from Trent Andrew on YouTube said on paper. Is this LeBron's most talented team ever. I mean when you got to go back to like the big three Miami Heat the the heatles, you know, when he's got, you know, one point he had Bosch he had weighed plus he had Alan a pretty good Supporting Cast of role players as well. And it was a prime LeBron. I have a hard time saying this I will say Anthony Davis is the best 2nd 1580. Yeah that he's had but the rest of the roster I don't I might go Miami. I think yeah, I think 2013 Miami is probably Peak Peak Lebron team. I'm going to rule out all the Cavs teams including his second stint calves because I think they were just too skewed offensively. They weren't very good defensively. So I'm going to rule them out and honestly, the best have seen is probably the 2017 one that got blown out by the Warriors in the finals which is you know, another another issue for another day. But yeah, I I think this this this Lakers team I think might be the deepest. But I think from an overall Talent standpoint, I think I'm going to skew toward those those heat rosters. I can't name everyone off the top of my head right now, but I think D-Wade close to the tail end of this primer Josh in the middle of his The Supporting Cast that they had and then of course Peak LeBron, obviously, I I think I think I'm going to leave one of those heat teams, but I will say that this Lakers team is better than last year's team that won the the title. And so I think and that honestly in itself says a lot so I think it's pretty close. I'd have to see how this this season ends up. It's just hard for me to evaluate cuz they've just been missing some days this season. So I think like in a vacuum, I think I'd take the heat steams, but I think this Lakers team is pretty damn close. Yeah agreed and you know what? I think that's a good point about the Lakers this year. She currently being better than last year's team at least on paper anyway, because a lot of us we look back and we think last year's team is way better rob pelinka. You messed this up monster team mostly stayed healthy. For the most part was healthy through most of the season the main pieces were pretty much healthy. And if you remember, yeah, they were in first place, but the Lakers kept losing to some of the top teams in the NBA off and so there were concerns over that that was like a legit thing like, oh was the Lakers aren't that good? They're just beating up on the bad teams. They can't beat the good teams. And then they beat the Bucs. I remember that they beat the Clippers right before everything shut down. That was when people started to give the Lakers some respect and then we didn't play basketball like four months. So when you look at this team, you have to remember that in terms of on paper top-end talent. I think this is a more talented bunch of my question is chemistry. Would that mattering so much in basketball can they build that up? And we only have one a month left before we we get the playoffs month and half so that's not a lot of time for LeBron and Anthony Davis to get back but on paper, I agree. I don't think this is a more talented Bunch. We will see if that plays out on the floor though because it doesn't always Yeah, no for sure. I think the continuity thing is a if anything, that's the most that's the most concerned about because the regular season for the Lakers is typically always been since LeBron's come is to acclimate with the team and get used to playing with new teammates that obviously has not been the case this season throw in everything else that they have to do in terms of covert protocols and testing the travel schedule etcetera. Like there's just so many things working against them right now. So yep, there is pause for Lakers repeat. It's those things but I do trust the bronze to figure those things out. But yeah back to back to his question. I I do think this Lakers team is, you know, top three for sure in terms of talent. I don't know if it's generally the best but maybe maybe they just destroyed everyone in the playoffs and now I have to revisit this question. Yeah, absolutely. And that's it right after the playoffs. We will see this team through a different lens either for the positive or the negative. So yeah. All right guys appreciate all of you joining us always fun when we get to talk about a Lakers win particularly win when their offense look good defense look good not something that happens. All the time without LeBron James and Anthony Davis then we get good news about Ben McLemore being available on Thursday Andre Drummond probably being available on Thursday. Should be exciting should be a good one. So make sure you do you guys do come join us. Then don't forget. We do have a contest going on use the link in the description below whether you're on Facebook. You're on Periscope. You're on YouTube. I use that link down there. You can go in win some very very cool Lakers art for either your house or your office celebrating the Lakers 2020 NBA championship free to enter doesn't cost you anything. Just click on the link and you can send me your entry right there. So make sure you guys check that out Matt. Thanks so much for for joining me tonight. Yeah, of course internet hiccup aside. I was happy to be here aside from aside from fan of stuck in there for for a few minutes. We we I think we we broke everything down pretty well tonight. There was a fun show. All right everybody. Thanks for joining us till next time. See you Monday safe.

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Tom Izzo was having some trouble with the stat sheet and the font size during the press conference. Listen to this. Yeah. You'll hear the narrator. Caches thirty three minutes and forty four seconds. So thirty four minutes thirty four minutes how many points somebody's SIS can third season eleven thirteen points, eleven assists, five turnover. Good. We get Tom apparel readers if you're here. Coach what what do we make of that change the says this as she does the same fought forever? Like, this is not a surprise them. Like, I think they should fire him because he's not prepare for the game. He's not mentally prepared. You didn't bring all his equipment. Get them out of there. I think it's lace it go bad. Like does. He not have contacts and glasses like this is absurd. At this point. Maybe he's going to from the vendor that I tell you what though I do love the fact that they play these games early in the season. We get to see these teams go head to head with each other. It's something they're just starting to do in college football. And they must make sure those games count. So the Notre Dame went over again shrines bird when we get neither. None of this done got a plane to catch you guys lined by his ear Foxworth is here. We are get up brought to you by Genesis the luxury car of the NFL has another hour begins here nine AM in the east. We are jam packed week. Two of the college football playoff rankings. No surprises in the top four. But we'll tell you which one of those four teams won't be there at the end there's more drama in big which former Cowboys star believes that team is in need of a complete overhaul. And speaking of former Cowboys how close is Dez Bryant the signing with a new team. We have the very latest. And what appears it maybe a done deal for Dez on get up starting right now. And let's get up and go to begin this hour with all the highlights from a big night in sports last night, and Jalen that start at the champions classic number four. Do take it on number two Kentucky. And this was all Duke from the jump. How about our j Barrett? You know, I appreciate all players that performed with skill especially those that are left handed, and we're number five RJ beer, there's another lefty that Zion Williams and drilling. The only three he would take on the night. And here comes more from Barrett. It would score thirty three points. Jay, this is going to be a scary full opponents the entire season. These freshmen these freshmen are confident they're talented. They have skills and they have power as you see right there Zion. Williamson. He's an invasion efforts dunk is a collegian. It won't be the last. He was eleven of thirteen from the floor, by the way, they're up nineteen. They continue to run away and hide in the first half Williamson with the fancy moves. They're up seventeen at half time. They shot fifty five percent from the floor. And then they have a guy named Cam reddish drilling. Please read has played really well had twenty two point great knockdown shot from the right hand corner. And then he's turning defense into offense Duquette. Ten steals in this game jail of their up. Twenty four is hard to overstate I've dominant they were in a match up with the number fourteen or they're the number fourteen match up with the number two team in the country that here's the play. Everyone was talking about. No question about it. Call it a block call it a steal. But you get on transition. Nice pocket pass transitioning from great deepens to amazing office to do freshman. He'll sets are on display reddish. Shed twenty two Williamson had twenty eight Barrett had thirty three Duke as you see on your on your screen and enormous win. There's thirty four point win over number two Kentucky historic. It was the second largest win over an AP top two teen in the poll era and the largest since number two Kentucky beat top ranked. Saint John's by forty one points in nineteen fifty one. That's how far. Back. We have to go. Oh, by the way. Neither of them is the number one team in the country going into this night. Number one is Kansas and Bill south taking on Tom Izzo, number ten Michigan state. And here we find ourselves with a transfer Deedrick Lawson for you do Cup Buki you pronounce his name and he had seventeen. Jalen, nice, elbow action. Normally how you two bigs. Do it the something Tony started? If Phoenix use it with Shawn. Marion in the Marsh dot Amar Kansas has some freshmen to that's Quentin Grimes. He's scored twenty one and devan Dotson is another. He would score sixteen. Wisdom had eleven assist to go with thirteen point well, balanced, attack, jayhawks who will not be the number one team in the country next week, even though they won how about that. That sounds exactly right because Duke was so impressive. But that was Dietrich laws, and again, he would score twenty Kansas would lead most of the game. But here comes caches Winston for Michigan state. He would not down the free throw and suddenly on the sport within seven, and they would not down to three they would come back in this game and get within striking distance the one thing I love about Tom Izzo. You know, his teams are going to fight, you know, they're going to play with effort, and they found a way to get themselves back in a game where they looked like they were going to be down double digits the entire way gal they had a shot right here with fifteen seconds left. They're down for this as Winston who had thirteen points and eleven assists on the night. He can't get that. One to fall Kansas gets the rebound in Kansas gets the wind ninety two eighty seven and what was a closer game than it was most of the evening. The NBA game of the night. Jalen involved, Janas and McCollum the bucks and the blazers first half. Here's some Jaanus. Eleven of eighteen from the floor, the Greek freak probably the most versatile all around player that we have in the game. Here's a guy that can literally play five positions on either end of the floor a dominant prospect for the book he's scored twenty three. But the third quarter belonged to CJ McCollum. He was seventeen of twenty six from the floor on the night. And then watch these moons. Dante even is that one in the next one is the one everyone was talking about. It was great to see of gig going putting diva chisel Skase's you see right there. All in this house of quality. Where's earlier the year while he was struggling then he came out and dropped forty the put the league on notice that he's back playing like himself and the blazers were the nice win here. They're up eight points. And you see, but would also have it going from downtown. He would not down five of ten three point shots again, forty points for CJ McCollum as the blazers beat the bucks one eighteen one zero three that was pretty much the NBA see thirty seven to forty final shot. The story of the night in football. The Cowboys coming off a bad. Loss to the titans. Jerry Jones saying Jason GARRETT'S job is safe during the season and saying that that Prescott will get an extension. Meanwhile, hall of fame quarterback Troy Aikman thinks changes need to be made this team over a long period of time has been what it's been. And it hasn't always mattered who the head coach is Ben. And so to me draftking me I'd say there has to be a complete overhaul of the entire organization. You just can't simply replace head coaches and say now it's going to be better. No, it's it's been shown that it's not better. And you have to address how everything is being done. And there's been times where I've heard Jerry say, okay. Look we're going to do it differently. I'm going to do it differently. You know, I can no longer, but it's the same. Nothing changes. Dominic Foxworth if it isn't the coaches, and it isn't the players who is Troy saying, it is quite obvious that he's talking here about Jerry Jones. And I think throwing in that interview. He gave him other interesting and good points and talked about how they got rid of the offensive line coach from last year. They also got rid of the quarterback coach and replace them with the inexperienced kellyn more. Like those are important opposite positions particularly for team. That's prided itself on having a tough off at the line. So I think would Troy Aikman is talking to or who he's talking to Jerry Jones directly. That's the one guy who owns the team he can make the decisions as he sees fit. Then the other story in the NFL that was interesting yesterday involved in Maria's tonics now formerly of the Broncos he reflected on his trade to Houston in an interview wants seven sixty AM radio in Denver. And he said, quote, it just hurts me, man. I'm emotional. I'm empty still. He went on to say the before he was traded coach Vance Joseph told him not to listen to the trade talk. And that people in Denver told him he was traded because he was the problem on the offense. And so Dominic. I would ask you is that sort of common place in the NFL than they look in and get rid of guys or after they get rid of guys start talking them down. Yeah. So I the first thing that is common is you are lied to. I was traded. And I was lied to when I heard the rumors, and then you're trading, and that's a problem. I think that is incredibly unprofessional indifferent spectacle. And I think the response that we always hear is. It's a business and the player should get over it just because it's a business doesn't mean that you have to act kind of coldly in your own self interest. The players don't do that. And we would freak out if a player on a team that was one in seven said, I'm not gonna play the rest of the season or lied in the way that Vance Joseph or excuse me away that the Mary sounded says Vance Joseph did to him and said, hey, maybe I'm a little injured in lie to keep themselves off the field that is unprofessional and should be unacceptable. And I'm tired of people making excuses and explaining away this by saying, well, it's just a business. No, they expect the players to go out there and put their health on the line and be team. I guy and do all this stuff and then lie to them and then bad mouth them after he's gone. He's already gone no need to continue to baton album. So I'm on. Mary's inside on this one. You know, it's one of the great lines ever is from the movie north Dallas forty every time. I say it's a game. You say it's a business. Every time I say, it's a business. You say it's a game. All right now, let's bring this to find bomb into the conversation because the college football playoff rankings came out last night. And there were no surprises. We basically knew where they were going to fall Michigan joining the top four after Alabama Clemson and Notre Dame Michigan moving in place of LSU into that top four then after that because Georgia, Oklahoma LSU and Washington state. I have the whole sheet here so Paul again, no surprises last night. But what was consequential? And if we go beyond the top four, for example, do you think that the placement of these big twelve teams Oklahoma sitting there may be poised to jump in does any of that matter? The only thing I think that matters is where LSU is. And you say what is hell is you have to do anything? They just got trucked twenty nine the nothing LSU is at number seven. I was shocked when I saw that. But I think what the committee. This is thirteen people. This isn't a computer poll, they're saying Alabama is so good. Good and so dominant that you go on the road and you win by twenty nine and we're not really going to penalize team. And don't forget that wasn't LSU's. I lost. They lost at Florida as well. So if you ask me, which I think you did you're you're asking me. What does it mean? It means that Alabama is invincible Alabama has mulligan. Alabama can lose this week to Mississippi State to Auburn in two weeks or perhaps to Georgia and probably still get in the playoffs with one law. I can't see why they wouldn't the reality. Is there aren't going to be four on beating teams? So if you're going to take a one loss team or several with one loss how in the world would Alabama not be one of them, especially after that performance? You watch all this, obviously, I mean you played college in the NFL for years, and you're watching this does Alabama just look head and shoulders better than everyone to you. They absolutely do look head and shoulders. And I think the fact that LSU only move down to seven it helps Alabama if they do end up with a loss or two because it helps their strength of schedule. I think this this Alabama season as you mentioned earlier is this whole season of college football is so alaba-. Emma Centric, and like you I kind of love it. We're gonna talk at great length about Alabama a little later, but I'm being told that Jalen is dying to say something to Paul from Los Angeles. The look on his face. What do you got Jay? Good morning, Paul. You look handsome today, sir. Paul can't hear I turn the turn it off. When you think about Jim Harbaugh. Michigan wolverines, I think he said somebody Jim Harbaugh who's always been one of my favorite coaches in America. Listen, Jalen, I get it. I was here two months ago. Trashing your buddy Harbaugh. Sometimes you make a mistake I made one or two in my career. But but I I will say this. Jim Harbaugh has done a phenomenal job. Not always that defense. Fantastic with Don Brown. We knew that was going to be the case. But the offense as a major pulse now, we're shape Patterson. I mean, they just blew past Penn State the other day, what's the score? They play Alabama. I still think it's about a seventeen point game. It's low scoring it's a little bit like what we just got through seeing. But right now, I don't think Michigan can hang. I heard someone make the argument that Jim Harbaugh came into the season with a lot of expectation. But now the road seems to be setting up for him. So well, maybe there's more pressure than ever for that game in Colombo there is because before the season I expected him to lose Ohio State urban Meyer. But but now you have a scenario with there's so much pressure on him because urban Meyer know-how state, look like they're done. They're not though, they're not actually Ohio State is still sitting there on the outside of this thing. I state at number ten with a win over Michigan. And then a big ten title still with an outside chance to get to that final four. We will take a short time out coming up, which NFL coaches have not lived up to experts which could be facing an early exit. We've got hot seats all across the league. We'll get to the top five in a moment. End Dez Bryant remains unsigned. But maybe just for the moment. How close is he to finding a deal that answer more as we continue get up on ESPN. Back on get up. And you know what? Last night, Luca Danni kitchen. The Mavericks just tore up the wizards in Dallas just look at some of these plays. You're Dennis Smith junior for dodge walkout open. He is the Mavericks were up nineteen point five seconds ago in the half. Otto porter jR, just is nothing is backing away from dodge who finished with twenty three. The man's were up. Twenty one points at scored seventy points in the first half. Then it Smith junior with the monster, slam Luko loves it to MIT junior is spectacular Mavericks who are bad wind by nineteen. They snap a six game losing streak against the wizards who are worse than so j just want to bring you in for a quick moment here again from Los Angeles today, we keep waiting for this collection of the wizards to make the run that one year that we think they will is it too late. Now, do they need to break this thing up because right now, they're a disaster. I think so greeny and in a salary cab driven sport, you got to understand the dynamics of you pay John wall and Bradley Beal top. Dollar and rightfully so an all star level back court. But then when you pay auto porter top dollar to play your wing position to give him one hundred million dollars. You actually give him the kind of money that Linter. Kevin durant? Lebron James get to play on the wing, and he's not giving you that level of performance. You felt like went to White House return to the lineup. It was sure a lot of issues that particular as you see the Dallas Mavericks continue to drive and get points in the paint. It hasn't happened overall. And that two and eight if they're gonna make their goals, especially being one in five on a row, they have to find a way to make a move with the core group now just to a real surprise for wizards team that maybe this group has come to an end, Jaylen stay there. We'll have you in Stephen a a little bit later this morning here on get up right now. It's time for a fundamentalist. I'm and he can I wanna make one thing. One hundred percent clear. I don't I am not calling for the firing of anyone. So we're going to put the five coaches who I believe are on the hottest seats in the NFL in our fundamentalist this morning. I'm not calling for their firing. But I believe they are going. Get fired at number five. I'm going to put Vance Joseph the coach of the Denver Broncos. And here is why I don't think that's a very good football team. And I don't think a whole lot more should be expected of them than what they've done, but he had a moment in the game this past weekend. That was so agreed this what you're not seeing here. This was when they settle they basically allowed the last thirty seconds of the game to boil down to a fifty yard field goal attempt. They had multiple opportunities even before that last play to try and gain some yardage. They wound up setting everything up for a fifty yard field goal. And if you don't feel real good about your kicker on a fifteen yard kick. You get paid to make those decisions and you have to live with the results that was a frustrating. Terrible signature moment. That usually gets coach you're gonna fire. Vance joseph. You gotta fire. John also because he not only did you hire of buddies sat on them with some bad quarterback. But in that game that wasn't the only horrible moment. Advance shows have had he had tempted a sixty plus jarred field goal with seconds to go with about. I don't remember. But there was enough time to go before have ended up setting up. Feel for the Houston Texans. They ended up losing by three points. So Vance Joseph his game management is suspect. Yeah, I think that is right. I think he is going to wind up losing his job at number four. I'm going to put John Harbaugh. I wanna make one thing. I didn't John Harbaugh as a great football coach. And I think he will be the head coach somewhere else next year. But where there's all this. There has to be fire. The ravens are struggling if they don't turn it around in the second half. I believe they will have a new coach. Yeah. You're probably right. I played for John Hall by and one thing, I know about him is he does the culture the interpersonal stuff. Well, and that's hard thing to find for coach you can find a lot of guys bit of Xs and os, John Haubert former special teams coach so he doesn't necessarily specialize in offense or defense. But he does a great job galvanizing the team, and that's going to be hard to find in this league. And I agree with you. It's soon as he goes away everyone's gonna be fighting to get him wherever he goes. He's going to be a successful head coach there also months ago, if I'd said the Harbaugh on the hot seat was going to be John not Jim I think people would have been very surprised at number three is Jason Garrett. Look at this conversation is going to go on right till the end of the season and. Owners giving coaches votes of confidence have rarely meant anything in the past Garrett does seem to have nine lives. And I know you don't think he's done a poor job there. But I do believe after this long run. It is going to come to an end after this year. He's had a very long run. And I think that his playoff runs have been quite short in part because of Aaron Rodgers is amazing in we had that ridiculous catch rule at one point in time. But again, he's had some good seasons recently. Even when losing his starting quarterback, they turned out to be thirteen and three and last year, they without Zeke Elliott for six games, and they went nine and seven. So I think the uproars of bit too loud. I think for Jason Garrett, but I wouldn't be sad to see him go. Yeah. I think that sometimes the uproar gets loud enough that the organization almost has no choice and that brings me to number two, which is Todd Bowles. I don't think there's any way in the world. He survives this season with the jets, and the simple reason is this. The jets have a young quarterback that they're trying to develop who they're acting owner. Christopher Johnson has said is guy who's going to take them to the promised land? And they have a ton of money to spend in. Free agency during this off season. They have to make a decision whether or not bowls is the guy who's gonna lead them into the next era. And I do not believe he is going to be now, I'm not one hundred percent sure that the general manager Mike it has earned being the one to make that decision. But that isn't what we're here talking about. We're talking about the coach, and I do not believe it's going to be both. There's a newish regime in in New York they brought in mcalinden last year. And they normally the new guide normally doesn't want to keep the holdover. Hey, coach top overachieved last year and kind of force them to keep them. But I think now given the opportunity I don't know that Todd Todd Bowles deserves the go, but they certainly want him to go. The worst thing you can say about the jets right now. And there are many is that the quarterback is regressing. He is he is going backwards and this entire season needed to be about seeing him go forward. And then finally number one. I think this is going to be in for Mike McCarthy in Green Bay if this team doesn't turn it around in the second half and make a playoff run. I think you look at Aaron Rodgers and you say he's got one more interational of his career to come. There was. One more putting together a group and making a run of a couple of seasons left with this all time great quarterback. And I think they will make wholesale changes in order to do it. I think if they don't make the playoffs this year. I think we'll be it for McCarthy. Yeah. I think you're right. I think he probably deserves to go one. I'm shocked that you don't have their cutter on this list and two in defense of Mike McCarthy, we always ask them to do more for Aaron Rodgers heirarchies is good. When you have a really great player like that. Sometimes the best thing to do is to do less and get out of the way and not getting away of his greatness. Which is what the best defense I can put from Carthy. But I think that he's certainly under t with having the best quarterback that most people have ever seen play absolutely right at a time when the quarterback is more valuable than the position has ever been before in the game's history if that team in what is setting up to be a fairly mediocre division. Does a wind up making the playoffs. I think we will see a change again. I don't take any pleasure in this. I don't want to see anybody get fired. But I think all five of these teams will have new coaches next year. All right. Still to come here on a great debut for that kid last night. Stephen. We'll get his take on whether or not this Duke freshman is the real deal. And there's no question Alabama is the real deal. They are the number one team in the rankings can Nick Sabin claim to be the number one. Coach of all time. We will have that conversation. I have a very strong position. But I will leave you for the moment with this little trivia question prior to Nick Sabin who was the last college football coach to win national titles in consecutive seasons. Embo sneaking answer next get up ESPN. I think smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel. So I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try get the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor, switch to jewel checkup. J L dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke or vape don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Welcome back to get up. We are presented by Genesis. We'll have to little trivia here. Find on you ready for this one prior to Nick Sabin. Who is the last college football coach to win national championships in consecutive seasons. You gotta guess it's a great question. I would say would be Tom Osborne. The actual answer is Pete Carroll. He won titles at three and four though, we know three that championship was leeann you did. Yeah. With LSU and Nick Sabin, we call that sneaky, hembo. I don't think that one should count. But one way or another that has an asked we. Brother rankings around surprised to no one Alabama is number one, candidly, they should be number one two three and four. And then let everyone else argue about the rest at this point. It is my view that Nick Sabin can lay claim to being the greatest college football coach of all time. And maybe even more than that just to put a little perspective on this. He's been ranked number one in the AP poll eighty three weeks since two thousand eight second. And that stretches Florida at fifteen I don't know how much more needs to be set. And I wanted to sort of bring this to the table here with Nique and and Paul finebaum. I'd like to ask you because you cover this closely. We're at a time of unprecedented parody and unprecedented competitiveness in that sport. It is a totally different sport than Paul Bryant coach, Dan, and so many others. You're not supposed to be able to do this. How does he do it? He has an aversion to complacency, and I think he's sought in that number right there. There are so many consistent streaks. He has been number one in the country at some points every year since two thousand eight. About this. Also since two thousand and nine Alabama has been an underdog only one time that was in two thousand fifteen at Georgia. There were one point underdog and they won the game by twenty eight points. I mean, this is just we've never seen any degree of consistency. Like this before I would take it actually to this level Dominique, and you and I got into a bit of an argument about this. When you consider the sport, I believe, you could make a very thing. Maybe don't say it. You could make an argument that Nick Sabin is the greatest coach of all time in anything. He's putting up wooden ask numbers at a time. When you should not be able to do that. He's about to win his sixth championship in twelve years. He is great. And I think that he certainly should be in a conversation of great coaches. But let's not forget that this is in college football where he does have significant advantages. I know you talk about this parody. But there are significant advantages any also has weeks off frankly, there are plenty of weeks where they don't have to actually play because they've brought some Cup. Cake in there. They had advantage day the amount of money that they spend and the amount of money that they put into that program out of money. They put into recruiting like this matters. It makes them better than other teams. This is not to take anything away from him. But it's not like the NFL where there for the patriots have dining for what Bill Belichick has done. There are no advantages. They have no advantages they their best advantages. Tom Brady was a six round quarterback. Like, that's not the same thing as what Nick Nick Sabin has down in Alabama. There's one more thing. This is not the first place. He's done. This did it at LSU and not only did he win title there. He left a title gift wrap for less miles a couple years later. So I think the fact that he's done at coup places when he was at Michigan state, he beat the number one team in the country in Ohio State, Nick Sabin has done it everywhere. But the Miami Dolphins which brings the question will he ever consider the NFL again? Do you think you would ever consider the NFL again if he wins the title this have to coming back again next year? Yeah. He's won five titles. He was one play away from six he could be looking at six this year and seven nex. Year. Does that just continue? I don't wanna start up the tabloids. But but I think there's a sliver of a chance until. They would consider if someone came to him. And I don't know who that person isn't listened your GM. You got to you got whatever percent of the franchise that you can get what is he going to come back and say, okay, I'm gonna win another national championship. That's my seven it's unlikely. But I think a lifetime of fortune could tempt him. I think it would be insane. No, no chance. He does that. And you sit whatever percent at a franchise if they give him part ownership. Maybe we consider it. That's the only what it's going to be. Yeah. I don't think that he goes to the NFL because and I don't think he needs money Alabama, give them more if he threatens to leave he's fine on money. But I think he's difference between I think, I don't know. It depends on what motive is. There's a difference between ten million dollars in a piece of an NFL franchise. Not. The peace. Jon Gruden is worth one hundred million dollars. I don't know what. Nick Sabin is actually Saturday on ABC. This one has got college football playoff implications in ACC battle between number two Clemson and number twenty two Boston College in chestnut hill that game eight eastern on ABC and live on the ESPN app. So you can watch from absolutely anywhere. Get to the NFL here. Dominic Dez Bryant worked out for the saints yesterday. That is source confirming to Adam Schefter, they also worked out a couple of other veteran wide receivers these behind Michael Thomas the saints who are a little thin at the position after losing Ted Ginn junior to injuries. I want to bring Dan Grazziano into the conversation here, Dan, what is the latest on the possibility of desks to New Orleans? It remains a possibility there in conversation. He left without a contract. And there is you have to put the condition on this. That is not the first team to express some interest in Dez Bryant over the last few months, if he has yet to find a place where his expectations for contract and roll match up with what the team has to offer. If that doesn't happen in New Orleans. He probably keep looking, but I'm told it went well, and then he stood out. You know, he had he had a separate workout privately from the other receivers that were there Brandon Marshall Kamari can guys like that. So they're in conversations it's tough to handicap as it has been. All along with the death situation. Because you don't really know what it is that he wants the saints as you mentioned looking for some help at that position where they have Michael Thomas and rookie trae Kwan Smith and really almost nothing else at this point. But you know, it's up to death. What he wants, Dan? Let's talk about desert former team now because we've had a ton coming out of Dallas after they lost at home to the titans. I'm Monday night football. Jerry Jones, saying no coaching changes made. He says Dak Prescott is going to get extended. Troy Aikman is calling out. The owner in interviews without using his name. What do you see as the plan in Dallas? Why think Denault and surprise it's probably going to be closer to Jerry's plan than Troy's. He's Jerry's gonna make the decisions and the people around him. You know, Jerry Jones has this sort of outdated reputation as sort of impetuous fly off the handle kind of owner that hasn't held up over the last half decade. Plus, it's been an organization that has drafted well that has made sort of sound sober decisions on a lot of things. And so I think they want to continue to be that. He's gonna let Jason Garrett have the rest of this year. Barring something unforeseen if they don't make the playoffs. I do believe this is when they finally do seriously consider a change at head coach on the coaching staff. But when you talk to people with the Cowboys, they consistently all year it said where young team we're an offense. It's a work in progress. We want to build it around Dak Prescott. We wish you would grow faster, but you can't make that happen. So, you know, they're trying to be patient there in a place where expectations are always sky high. And obviously Troy Aikman comes from a Cowboys era where they met those expectations. Now is the last era of its kind one more for you. Hear Pat Shurmur said yesterday eat li- manning we'll start for the giants Monday night against the forty Niners. He says what everyone can see that line needs to play better. What is the giants plan at quarterback for the rest of the year? I don't think they've fully fleshed it out. I know that they definitely want to get a look at Kyle let the rookie quarterback if only to find out what they have there when they head into the office. Season and they have to make some decisions about what to do at this position. But as we learned last year when it comes to the giants in Eli manning you have to do this. Just right. The late last year's coaching staff in front office that Saturday lie down put Gino Smith in and said they were going to take a look at Davis Webb later in the season. They all got fired a week later because of the fan reaction, the former player reaction, they didn't handle it the right way. So the giants have to put together a plan that allows them to see Kyle. But also does right by ally. Manning franchise icon because we saw what happened last year when they did it a little ham handedly and things got ugly. I don't think they make any move there until they're mathematically eliminated. Because I think that does matter to them that they try as hard as they can while they should. But at some point I do believe you will see the rookie Kyle while let it get some snaps in an NFL game this year. All right, Dan. Well done. I was good to see. Thank you. My man. We appreciate it still to come here on get up, we change gears entirely. Did you see this kid last night? The age of Zion is a. On us. Stephen a Smith on just how good that kid can be and Jalen is going to get fired. Welcome back to get up. We'll presented by Genesis. My brother that they will not be. Both championships teams. Watch amount versus. Depends on what day. Eighties. Call. Can never control this segment. I think that might be one of the most asinine things. Help make you good is not the subject only. What were you brought up mine? That's why you ready to getting what do deserve. All right. My two best friends are in Los Angeles this morning, Jalen and Steven A after Duke and Zion. Williamson's set the world on fire last night. Guys. What'd you say? Stephen. You're enthusiastic about Duke last night you go onto feed it did. I hear that know what is possible. I mean, these brothers was signed special. Listen, listen, maybe Kentucky's recruiting classes overrated for all. I know they just seemed in an entirely different class. Duke debt is debt Kentucky Kentucky seemed completely over matched completely and totally out of the league in the interest of full disclosure greeny, and Jalen I would remind y'all John Calipari, and I go back to his days at UMass I was covering temple with John chainey those guys as a beat writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer. So I've been watching John Kalahari coach since the days of, you know, Michael Williams, and Lou Roe and all these boys can't be in them. I have never seen a Giancarlo part routine. Get there. But with the way we do. Duke whip did Bahamas last night that was embarrassed into such. If you Kentucky, it seemed embarrassing until you looked at the talent ado this kid's on Williams, something special Ave Barrett is on another level. We'll get into that. Just a second. I mean the way you look at this team right now they just completely over matched. They will completely dominant. I gotta watch them tonight against Kansas. But they reminded me somewhat oughta fab five or UNLV what my man Greg Anthony with with Larry Johnson, which Stacey Augmon Anderson hunt note boy. Oh, boy, I just looked at that level of dominance. That's what I've last maybe Kentucky's overrated, but based on what I saw and what Kentucky was supposed to be. I said Ma call these brothers look special. So what we really saw with a changing of the gar happening for national consumption Teflon John Calipari actually embraced the one in done from the beginning. Jesse? Did he will come to your living room say I'm going to show your son? How to be an NF NBA player is right and his NBA players have continued to make millions of dollars and make multiple all star game. Okay. Coach K didn't do that. Initially initially shied away from that for political reasons. Okay. Now, he embraced it. So now when you have the best coach in college basketball embracing the one in dawn's like the Duke blue devil are now doing you see a level of dominant becomes extremely ask. You something fine. But doesn't it strike you as a bit of law Ming that this debt discrepancy from coach K did Kalahari at tons of talent. For example, if one of them got Barrett and other gods Zion. Okay. I got to stay. But he looked like he got you got. You gotta look at it. And I'm like, oh, my I'm literally watching it last out. Oh, Mon go Stevie. I'm very justly guys. Because Stephen can I just present to you that earlier this morning, your friend and mine, Mr. rose told me the Zion. Williamson would not have started for the fab five your thoughts. What's what? Please don't tell me that's to please tubbies. Did you say I just wanted to 'cause I'm not I'm not just trust green and this one. Yes, or no. Did you say that? Here's. Did you? Did you say that? Yes. Okay. Let me ask you this. I can't believe you said that. But that's all right. Seve web. No doubt. You ain't touching him. Joe one. How it under estimated totally. I mean, he was he was like Mr. fundamental in college basketball big top. I'm certainly not going to sit up the end state you'll would've been bit. 'cause I got love you, bro. You could ball. Really? You always looked like a slow motion. But nobody can stop you. Got into now. I know here's the deal. I like Jimmy king. You know that Ray Jackson. You know that you try to tell me Zion. Couldn't have started ahead of wanna know. Southall basketball is a game of position. Okay. Zion. Williamson I'm gonna give everybody to great his thing. That's going to give Zion the prostate. He deserves a man a soul terrifically athletic. He will be too sick at heaviest player in the NBA. Okay. Just think about that for seventy pounds. Absolute is okay behind Bo. Bon who sent him foot five. That's right. Okay. So this guy has great hands green meat, and I might handle no question about it. But you know, what he can do yet shoot. No, I'm not going. Don't don't don't don't don't sit up put answers that my mouth. Listen. Are you gonna tell me Jimmy king? I'm not finished. I'm not finished Zion Williams. They can't play shooting guard. Leave the day. But they found that way. Ray jackson. Lemme king lawf- y'all y'all know that. Oh, no. The bottom line is is that they want shoot as they will play it. Stop correct. You love that shoot at it. Both here. Here's you what better suited in both of them. Right. So let's not only will you a better shooter. You were six eight six nine complete a point or two which means I could've played two three c web and to one how the frontline was you could have been wanted by the way, Jimmy king would have been in there. And then Jackson came up to bench. Like he I started to doing. It's because he didn't initially start with the flow. So I have to I have to make sure that knowledge that I'm not the old bitter mad about the journey. What I will say this when I talk about whether he was stocked with a fat five that means. We'll he start over Juwan see with. No, that's where I'm going. Okay. Go. Go. Is that he would not start over to one. We agree. We agree with the benches. See or Jawad you beat. Let me tell you. Why your statement was blasphemous and very slick because I'm like how you set up the covered just greedy to do because you're right. He wouldn't you would have been see whip or Jawad for him. But because of yet y'all versatility. And the fact that you could play the one two or three that automatically puts him in the starting lineup because that means whatever you're lacking at one at a God spot, you could make up for which puts him on a front line with C wet and to one how you know that because you know, basketball, you're sitting to set that stuff that the first place unless you explain it initially. He shouldn't have done it. I just know the hey starting oversee well get nine over John. I didn't say that. He's okay. He's a terrific young prospect. And I want to see the do. Get up. I take the list goes on and on whenever you was Stephen A. We don't do abbey's. You don't have to sit up couch it negative about we understand it. Okay. You said he could play we noticed that. Would it bench see web, but you want but he would start fat? But also remember when you said Jackson king would be sitting down the level of LV rate level of ownership that coach K now has for the one and done when you said that it looks like he got all of the players. He actually did. He did actually by the way hurts me because that's like against five. Five. My brother collar pari on me. My God what a drop off. Well, maybe the most amazing thing about it. All guys is that Zion. At least at this moment isn't even necessarily the best player on this team. He's now back let you guys go. Stephen an eleven minutes. I take coming up here on ESPN from Los Angeles. Jalen, we'll be there. Thank you. Enjoy. A lot of fun to watch. Let me get this football here to marry Thomas was one of the biggest names who was moved to the NFL trade deadline last week. He's now what to Shawn Watson in the Texans. As for the team that traded him. Thomas was very outspoken during a radio appearance with the Broncos radio partner saying, quote, the money before the trade Vance Joseph that's the head coach walked up to me. And he said don't listen to the trade jock. It's not true. When he said that to me, I said how is that? Not true. My agent called me today and said Elway wanted a fifth round pick for me. So are we telling stories to each other? Now, I thought we were going to be men about this. That wasn't all of what he said in that interview. But to me that was the most important part. And I wonder because he was someone who was on the inside of this you play you involve the players association and a significant way for a really long time. Is that sort of thing commonplace amongst teams, it's commonplace. And it shouldn't be and I think people like us need to call them out for that sort of thing. And make sure that they understand that. They don't get a pass. And I think that organization is one that I played. I played for him. When I was traded from he mentioned, how great the Queant manages are there. I love them. They're all great guys class organization. But would Vance Joseph did on Sunday as far as coaching was a problem. But what he did before that and lie to his players. I think is a bigger problem. You have expectations of your of the leader of your team to be honest and forthright with you because you're putting your your health and your safety on the line to make sure that you play well your team performs well and people like Vance Joseph can keep their job players deserve honesty. The one part of it. I guess I would ask you that is if you are involved in trade talks if it is true that he's probably going to get what should the coach say to him. Yes, you're going to get traded. But I need you to go out and play hard as you can this week. Anyway, I understand that. It's a difficult position for the coaches to be in. But you need to be honest. And you tell them from the beginning that nobody nobody is safe this organization. That's that's the way. It should be honest guys. No one is safe. Everyone is always that's the answering give he says are the trade talks through you say, well, we're always looking to improve this team. I can't speak to that. John elway. General manager. But our job is to win on Sunday. You don't benefit from playing poorly on Sunday. So I'm gonna put you in the best position to play. Well, that's a simple answer and players will appreciate that. And a respect. It was also an element of badmouthing. And after he was out the door that was really unappealing and a lot of ways. All right knee. Let's run the hurry up here. We got a bunch of stuff to get to including five quarterbacks currently on pace to throw for over five thousand yards this season. Which is as many as done it in history. Ben Rothlisberger says he thinks it's still a pretty big deal to throw for five thousand do you. Oh, absolutely. I've never thrown for five thousand yards. Pretty big deal. It's impressive. I think it's probably it would suggest that the office of trends have gone this direction. The league is making it easier and easier to pass the ball. So it's less impressive than it. Once was but it's still a benchmark nets. You sent five quarterbacks reach only five quarterbacks. That's still low number five in history. Five could do it this year the values, but obviously at least for the moment, it's significant at five guys do what every year it stops mattering. Let me get you to the ravens then that's another of your former teams they've lost three straight and coach John Harbaugh in an attempt to turn around the season is giving the team the entire week off of practice. Again. They're on their by. They're not going to practice at all. Do you like it? I love it. I think that one of the things that coach Harbaugh does well in did. Well, when I was there is he works the locker room. Well, he's a good culture guide. Good interpersonal with his with his players in doing something. Like this vote of confidence to the players in the respect that. No that shows them. I know you're working hard. I think less secure coach a weaker coach would say we're going to practice practice practice because I need to save my job. This guy is secure and confident, and I think the. Players will respond. The real question is will Joe flacco the quarterback when they come back. Yeah. We'll see it handle. Lamar Jackson waiting then. There's this Thomas Davis. Terrific linebacker in. Carolina says this year's Panthers are more talented than the twenty fifteen version of the team. Oh, by the way that team went fifteen in one and made it to the Super Bowl. Dominique is. He right. I I love Thomas Davis. He's a great player in. I don't know if I could agree with them. It's hard to the the difference between the two teams. I think this offense is more talented. They have better players on offense from Christian McCaffrey to the outside. Guys was punched chills are guys who are better. I think probably than what they had back then they still have Ulsan unsightly older Olsen women defensive side of all they lose some of the power. They hadn't a secondary. Josh Norman was playing like Josh Norman, which I can't say that he is now and up front. They're still pretty strong with PLO in Aniston. They're they're good team front. I think they're close. But that team did go fifteen to one and Cam Newton was as well as he playing now he's playing better back. Well, he was the MVP some people think he. He's actually playing better. Now. Maybe that is the biggest difference. All right. We'll take a short break. We'll come back and before we finish for the day, the Alabama crimson tide keeps on rolling is Alabama's dominance bad for the sport. Bledsoe that question and more next. Get up is presented by Genesis the official luxury vehicle of the NFL. And in part by PlayStation store. You won't believe what's in store. We hope you'll get up with us Thursday can Cam Newton. 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That's getting futile to root against them. They are so good. What did they think? I don't think it's bad for the sport. I think it depends on what the other option is. I think I would love if there was another juggernaut which I think Clemson is kind of like begging, I think Clinton could beat Alabama that's exciting to build to this big crescendo. But if the option is just take Alabama out, and then we have this everyone without Alabama. No, they are. They are better for the sport. I like greatness. And I enjoy knowing when I turned on Alabama football. I'm going to see the other teams best shot. The. That is a fire alarm that is currently going off. But my soul. But my take. Burn the place down. I hope that everyone is taking calmly. I'm reacting to this. And if indeed there is a fire in the building, then perhaps we have more significant concern do assuming that all is well, and we will be back in better than ever tomorrow. News day ain't quickly. 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HR 3: Reinventing yourself

Mason & Ireland

49:20 min | 2 months ago

HR 3: Reinventing yourself

"I'd say dod say dod dod what's going on dodgers by the way and of course field right now. They are two to bottom. Five dodgers have left eight runners on base in the first five innings this game so they may come to regret that. But you know what. I'm feeling john. I'm feeling that kenley jansen saved today save number one on his way to thirty five. Hopefully they'll be far enough ahead where they don't have to use him. Looks like it's going to be a tight. Looks like it's going to be kinley time. Q the to park california played to packing in played other. They won't play it on. I mean in my mind. That's what's going to happen right. So the the dodgers obviously incredibly big favorites made a huge addition during the off season with trevor bauer. And basically you take a great pitching staff and you add the reigning cy young award winner. They have unbelievable depth in their rotation. They've got a really really good lineup everyday lineup. They've got three. Mvp candidates i think at the end mukhi bellinger and cory seager. Any of the three could be the mvp race and multiple of them could be the mvp race. And here's buster. Only he says that. This dodgers team could break records. This is a team. That's so good. I mean think about last year sixty game season. We shouldn't take all those numbers at face value. They were beating their opponents by an average of two and a half runs per game. So i think not only the dodgers adding trevor bauer having the incredible rotation that they have were even david price business shortest spot in the rotation It wouldn't shock me if they were to challenge the ninety eight yankee standard of one hundred and fourteen wins. The mariner standard of two thousand one hundred sixteen wins and go well over plus three hundred and run differential and become the first team since ninety eight to two thousand yankees to go back to back championships. He's really high on this team. Here he is on the players that have been brought in this team. Now has had repeated. Success that becomes a weapon for this franchise. They've won the world series now. There's an expectation that they're going to get there and when they go into the postseason all of that experience and the like the. I think the the culture there will work on their behalf. It's part of what makes him such a dangerous team. The players of all bought into the idea of depth and of keeping everybody fresh and using a lot of players and here here. He is world series champs. Who he's calling it for. I think they're absolutely going to do it on. That was my pick because of the editions they made and because of the church me even though they've been around in the postseason in recent seasons there's still a relatively young team with guys like cody bellinger and walker bueller. And now you add an older guy Like trevor bauer to the rotation. And if they need help like the yankees like the mets. I think they'll go and at during the season all right so may second and third one out. Bottom of the fifth kershaw is struggling. Yep you said that. This was the time last year where you might want to get him out. Do you. let him pitch through the second and third fifth inning. Tie game at two. I throw an eighty something pitches fifty two the other guy then that was the the other starter came out. So he's only thrown fifty. I would leave men. I would leave him into did they. Pull the infield in. I'm trying to see if they pulled the infield in on this known away. Play play depth. There you go. Yeah we'll keep an eye on that for you. Yeah i mean. I think you let kershaw go. You let kershaw go. He's he's allowed five hits through five innings but again second and third and one away in the bottom of the fifth for the rocky. So if you have the other team. That's facing the dodgers at the start of a playoff series. You're very likely to see in order. Kershaw bueller trevor bauer. That's pretty brutal. Really tough really tough. And by the way don't sleep on world series hero. Julio arrhenius or dust and may in that he has its ups would he ask that three different pronunciations from icee. What he is yes. Yeah the that's what i call them. Julios well i know one one great. Julio julio odious so all right so we'll keep you up to date on all that you know lindsey is something interesting and the rockies tack on a run on an infield ground outfielders choice three to rockies now bottom five is anything but a world series. A disappointment for this team not works as a fan. If well i'll just i'll just speak from being a laker fan. If the lakers don't win the title. I think most laker fans will be disappointed. They've set the bar. That high. And i think the dodgers are the same way. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the season and enjoy the ride but the goal is to defend the title. Yeah it seems baseball so tricky thing about the nba is if you're in a playoff series and you've got anthony davis lebron james and andre drummond in the rest of this grew group that we've got generally speaking over a seven game series. Talent wins out right. The best teams generally win the number one number. Two seeds generally are the teams that go to Go to the finals in baseball. A team like in the to two years ago the washington who got off to an awful start and squeak their way into a wild card game went on to win the world series that summarizes the unpredictability of baseball. Just because you've got if you've got lebron ad and drummond you're gonna win if you've got mukhi bellinger and seager you can't guarantee it you can't guarantee it will because paid by the way. You're listening to caspian los angeles because mace. The pitcher is so important. You could have a modern day. Murderers row the angels have done a couple of your setup a really impressive offense but you get a lousy pitcher. It's like not having a goalie in hockey. You know if you don't have a good goalie in hockey you're probably not gonna win but even with the pitching even though they can go kershaw bueller trevor. Bauer it's still not a guarantee one of those has a mad starting. it's over right under his glove. Yeah very close very close by the way you can always reach your show. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn we haven't taken any calls today. John you know how i feel about callers right yeah you think they're idiots eight seven seven seven ten. Espn lines are open for you. You can also tweet us at venice. Mace s at la ireland. And you can email the show. Venice mace at g. Mail dot com. We get really interesting emails or try to respond to them to and occasionally we get to read one on the air. Read a couple on the air. Meanwhile last night the other the other story that i thought was a disappointing. This was a disappointing story. Was andre drummond. Debut e left after fourteen. Minutes with a toe contusion john the lakers are just getting bit by the injury bug. It's just bad lock right. Well a lot of teams have because of covid a lot of teams have. Had you know. Major injury hassles. I personally don't overreact to these injuries very much. Unless the lakers are gonna slide out of the playoffs was lies. They're in the play. Picturing can get everybody healthy. I think they'll be fine but it is. You're right it is a little freaky first. Ad then lebron and then last night after fifteen minutes drummond out right very disappointing. And the The lakers really were not competitive. From that point on milwaukee's steamrolled know. How competitive you can expect the lakers take the two best players off of any team. Sure well we're gonna we're gonna see it with with harden out now for the for the for the nets and durant out for the nets right and do best players but they still have kyrie because there are three hundred monster. We have all three of our best players out. Yeah it's it's going to be very tough. And i think i'm resigned to the fact that we are going to drift down wind up in a plan. That's possible but i can. I still root against that. Let's see what happens over the next month or two rocky score gannett has rockies four dodgers to kershaw still on the mound in his bottom five to away and kershaw's getting up a little bit here so rockies doubled up now on the dodgers four to two so john i wanted to ask you about you know we always talk about people reinventing themselves right beaming becoming a different person saying hey what i was before. I'm not anymore now. You know a lot of people come to la to do that. La is is the is the place to come if you wanna reinvent by the way. Let's let's sneak a calling. Kenny in palmdale kennedy you're seventeen. Espn what's up man. What's up now. This is between me and you 'cause ireland just can't talk on these issues mate okay so it's okay that's right. Okay listen okay. We still need some help. Our teams just not good enough. You know john shoot in do you a week or so ago and at treated you like a kid quite frankly i okay and we actually after that utah game and i said they had no fighter john lewis and usually it's the other way mason. I disagree with you always okay. But here's the thing. We definitely need some help. I don't think even when we were healthy in the beginning of the season with You know. Anthony davis lebron our team. I just don't think besides those two players very good. I'm very happy we got driving. I still think We need some help. I fear the clippers. Which i hate saying i hate saying that i do all right guys. They'll let me go ahead. I hear you kenny. Let me ask a question. How did they win the title last year if you don't if you don't think they're good enough. Here's the thing i think. We dodged a bullet by by not teaming up with the Getting the clippers. Okay i really do think we dodged the bullet and i hate when the lakers played down and say not a rival. It is a rival. We do not like the clippers and they probably john. I think they would have beat us last year honestly but they couldn't even be denver. I know but guess. What teams matchup different clippers. Always get up to play us. And i think they wouldn't beat us sad to say it to see by the way boogie cousins or demarcus. Cousins has joined the clippers all the sudden. not yet. they're talking other. They're right and that's why we need some help guys. Well here's what they need. They need a three d wing. Three d wing and there are a couple of guys that i think are gonna wind up on the buyout market. There are excellent candidates. One is otto porter. Jr. would make a ton of sense. For the for the lakers. He is now in orlando and the other one is in houston. That's avery bradley. I think if you add either one of those guys you're solidifying that category of guys who defend really well and guys who can drop a three but kenny. Let me take you at your fear of the clippers. I respect the clippers. I like title alive. He was a laker one. Two rings with us. I thought he was going to be our coach before. That deal fell through agreed. But the clippers haven't earned this respect that you're giving them they can't get out of the second round the other night they loss to orlando at home. You know the clippers. Have this thing where they haven't been able to get over the hump. What makes you think they could do it against the lakers. Because they get up for these. Big games the lakers play. These big games down john. They kept on him. But you're talking. You're talking about regular season games not regulars playoffs but guess what we haven't faced him in the playoffs and i just for some reason. Trust me. I hate saying the clippers. I fear them. Because i can't stand that my hate them so much and And mason is on board with that. John you have to play a little neutral. We get nice. But here's the thing. I hate him and i do feel a little bit and it bothers me that they're getting. I wanted book and you guys have been saying the other day john. You didn't want them and i know you guys were kind of saying that. Maybe he doesn't have woody used to have. He played pretty good for the rockets. And i i really wanted to see him last year with our team. He was excited to play with. Lebron and i wanted to just give them a shot right. Okay we'll wait a minute. Would you rather have boogied than andre drummond. I'll take him both. I'll take marcus all see you later but okay later of arkansas. I mean he's he's been sick and all that harrell you feel for him but he's not been he's not been take. Those two guys is my big. We really got hurt by not signing dwight. He was amazing for us right now. Why let him go. Why do had a very good year in philly. Dwight's john i know you would hands down rather him on our team. The all saw absolutely terrible okay. He brings energy look into yokich last year. He got him annoyed and frustrated. Keep bring energy. So i understand. I just need help. I team needs a little bit of help. And the okay. I think we got one more spot right. One more of we have a roster spot left. it's reserved for three. And i think it'll happen kenny. Not tell me this. Can we get rid of dudley and have two spots. John can you answer that. I don't know the answer. I think that were too late to waive. No no no i. As long as that person's available you could do that but there is a date. Kenny and i need to look it up. Where you gotta be on the roster in order to be on the playoff roster and. That's what i have to choke but no it's not. It's not too late then. Yup we are both amazing. I agree i don't. I'm not as down on this current group when they get healthy. I think they're still the team to be. Look when this team is healthy. It's a completely different story. I think people though are a little like okay. i'll make. I'll make a prediction. I'll make a prediction lakers are gonna wind up in the playoff tournament. They will win and be the seven not impossible if you look at the the next seven games on the schedule. I'm not sure they're favored in them. And kirsh just got another hit bad he gets. He's like a hitting. I told you coming into this game. He was a three fifty seven hitter. Of course feels ridiculous they should may. You know what i if we had. Dave roberts is a pretty by the book guy. Yup if joe maddon as manager he might hit seventh or eighth through that come on. I think we are going to see the clippers in the first round. You will be the two. I think they'll be the to their two games out of the. I can't pay attention to the last. Thirty games for utah and phoenix. I think that's the one two. That's too in the clippers of the three. Now but the lakers could end up at the six year prediction that they meet each other in the first round is an impossible. No it isn't yeah. They're they're going to be. They're going to be the road team in the first round of play there in opened the playoffs on the road. I'm pretty sure. yeah so. We may get the clippers in the first round but believe it or not anything can happen. I think the lakers have a better road record than home. Record part of that might have to do that or no fans but by the way i want to ask you about that. I want to ask you about the fan situation. Okay coming up next. Plus i i mentioned this about reinventing yourself. I think it's really interesting. We get that coming up for you to mason and ireland seventeen. Espn what's going on dodgers of the bases loaded. It is the top of the six nobody out. They trail the game four to two. So we'll let you know when when something happens there. Hopefully the dodgers get on the board. Here they've left a lot of runners on base today. Well now the bases loaded. So i mean if they don't cash in here that that number goes way up all right so let me. Let me ask you this. We moved to a new tier. Yeah terms of public safety around the pandemic and one of the things that has happened with this new tier is that you were allowed now. Fifty starting monday fifty percent capacity on indoor dining. It's one of the things we're allowed thirty. Three percent capacity on outdoor sporting events now. We're allowed twenty-five capacity twenty five percent capacity on arenas in indoor venues. Why haven't we gotten to the point where we bring fans and isn't this really close to going on. Yes and i and i'm going to. I've got to be a little cagey here. But i'll tell you what i know. These conversations about getting fans back in the building particularly getting fans into staples center are happening every single day. The people that handle ticketing the people that handle traffic flow at games have been at the last few laker games in the rumor at this point. It's just a rumor. There is nothing official on this. But i know that there are several people they the answer you get if you ask him officially is we are going with the guidelines of the county all right. They're very very strict about like even people who know me say we can't do anything without the county we're going to put the number. I keep hearing that they are. Targeting is ten percent fans when the lakers come back from this road trip. I don't know if they'll if it'll happen right on the fifteenth when they play boston. Which is the first game back. But i think before the end of the month you're going to have actual paying fans inside staple center. I don't know if it'll be ten percent. I know that's what they were. Targeting could be a little bit more. Could be a little bit less. But i personally would be surprised unless the county changes. They took us from the red tier. I think we're in the orange tier now are in the orange tier unless the county changes negatively goes back to it says our numbers have gone up. We've got to be more careful if they keep going on the on the curve that they're moving on i think we're gonna see fans in staples before the end of the month. The let me ask you. I mean museums. Zoos aquariums can all expand from twenty five percent to fifty percent capacity churches. Fifty percent capacity indoor dining fifty percent capacity gyms twenty five percent capacity mean. How is it that we're we haven't hit this benchmark yet. Well i think you could. I think that that's the goal. I i personally would be surprised if they come out and say all right fifty percent go. I think they're going to ramp up to it in mesa could be as quick as game to game like you could have a game on tuesday where there's ten percent and then if they get the permission of the county by the weekend they it's not like they don't want fans are come back. They desperately want him to come back. It's not like they're they're keeping them out for real. No no no no but to answer your question. I think this is where it's heading. I think it. I think you are going to be able to now. I think tickets like you were saying dodger. Tickets are pricier than usual. Because there aren't as many of well. I had a lottery for opening day. I'm guessing that i did not win in the lottery department because i haven't heard from them. It's a week from today. And i don't know Whether or not they're going to have in the dodgers tied. Let me pass this along. April single game tickets for dodgers games are on sale tomorrow at ten. Am there you go so tomorrow at ten. Am april single game. Tickets are for sale. And they're they're letting it go open to all fans as opposed to season ticket holders. It's like wide open season. Tickets will kick in. I think they said in may so. This is wide open tomorrow at ten. Am if you want single game tickets for dodgers games for the month of a now. The difference between the dodgers and the lakers jeannie brought this up when she was on with stephen a smith. The other day is that. The dodgers are an outdoor venue. And these are centers in indoor venues so the dodgers are going to have bigger crowds at least initially. Then the lakers probably will have but the lakers are spending tons of time tons of effort another talking to the county every day. I'll be shocked if by the end of this month. There won't be any fans in there. I don't want to speculate. Because i don't know anything but yeah just everything i've seen and heard and what they've been working towards. I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen to some extent so i wanted to bring this up. Reinventing yourself is an interesting thing. I don't think i've ever have you ever. Reinvented yourself. you've just always you came fully assembled. Yeah but but a lot of people come to come to la to do that and kind of you know. I remember as watching that movie. The people vs larry flint remember. We son is playing. Larry and he says this is l. a. Everybody comes here. just reinvented. themselves. It's kind of like the reinvention capital of the world made you think of it reminds me of the time i got stoned with woody harrelson. That's a long list. Add is along. Got an exclusive club all right so a rod who has clearly reinvented himself. He says i think so. Many people spend so much time doing. And i think taking a step back and really trying to architect your next move. Three or five years of your life is important john. Have you been an architect of your next four. What did you say three or four years of your life. The ones coming up yeah. No it's interesting. I think you and i both have kind of known where the road is going for. Maybe the past ten or fifteen years kind of easy to chart out Neither one of us know what the next five years is gonna to look like. We don't know professionally what's happening. I had to readjust the way i think is. I'm always one of these people who's overly organized. Yes but you know who knows what i think. We're we're here in five years well but our contracts are up in a year and a half. Yeah i think they're going to. Why would they. Why would they not be well. I think the the medium is changing. Yeah and our contracts with the teams are coming up. I mean it's it's a but that's what. I'm doing with the podcast. That's why i'm trying to orchestrate three five years build a podcast and bring some audience with us. By the way ride will be on with mike greenberg tomorrow morning at ten thirty. I just got that nugget. He says number one. You make sure you have a passion for whatever you're gonna do. There's nothing that can replace that. I think a lot of people work doesn't have to be your passion. In our case i think doing radio is my passion. I love doing this. It's the only thing i ever really wanted to do. From the time. I'm fifteen years old so i feel like i'm pursuing my passion. I feel like you're pursuing your passion job. You're doing you're way ahead of most people. Yeah you're very lucky. Very lucky and a lot of people find their passion outside of what they do work wise second he says you should seek a mentor and a boss that you really admire someone that is going to help you someone that has your back in someone that is going to teach you how to win. He says his mentors the he credits his success and transformation to billionaire warren buffett before he passed away in two thousand ten. Wait a minute. Ambush passing buffets alive warren buffett and george steinbrenner before he passed away in two thousand ten. He says he spent thousands of hours collectively. Just picking their brains and talking about best practices and actually being in the boardroom. Winning and losing and learning. It wasn't if it wasn't for my incredible mentors. I wouldn't be here today. Do you realize that he manages a fund. That's worth millions of dollars. A does yeah. Yeah he learned that from warren buffet. So it is never too late to reinvent yourself. I guess that's the idea. i could reinvent myself. Well sometimes you have to add. And i think the pandemic has made it a necessity. Hey by the way now. I would take kershaw out for the second consecutive meaning four four by the way. Yeah he's let the first two batters on yeah last inning. Two of them scored right now. There are two on and nobody out. I would get out of there. I would get him out of there by the way. Did you see that story is it. There's the single that puts the rockies ahead five four. yeah i just. I don't understand why we've seen this movie. We know how it ends. That's three consecutive hits. You gotta get him out. Yeah so down. Five four now bottom six is it blake training that has one hundred mile. An hour sinker blake. I don't know if it's one hundred miles an hour but it is one the other day one hundred hours one hundred and one actually. Yeah on wednesday. He threw one hundred mile an hour sinker. How would you hit that. You can't even see him really really tough and the way they're gonna use him this year john they're not gonna use them as the closer even though he's got closer stuff without question and has been a closer saved a bunch of games for the as a couple years ago but they're gonna use him and this is one thing that gets lost people. Everybody focuses on the closer right. It's all about the clothes you know. What the closer comes in in a cleaning and tries to get three outs. That's actually an easier job than coming into a game with two runners on and one out and trying to get out of that jam the seventh inning or the eighth inning. That's where blake trainings is gonna be. He's gonna be to me. That's the most high leverage role in a bullpen. Is that guy that comes in late with runners on not in the ninth inning but in the seventh inning or the eighth inning the closer jobs actually easier than for example can lease job will be easier than blake trying job. This year blake china's going to be that spot guy who comes in in a critical situation the seventh or eighth inning. A in the all. These dynamics that you were just explaining may happen in this game all the rockies now have runners on second third and still nobody out in kershaw still in the game. I don't. I don't understand why he's still only thrown seventy two pitch. I don't care. He's getting lit up like a christmas tree. Get them out. Yeah we'll keep you up to date on that and you know what we've got. Who was the world series hero last year. Aside from cory seager will who showed us julio reassess and we got a who reas bobblehead that we're going to give away this. These things are super cool. They are from a folks called foco dot com. They've got unbelievable bobbleheads all kinds of merchandise and this is a who bobblehead with him holding the world series trophy. Can i play sega. Can i play to win it off. Eight seven seven seventeen. Espn load up the phones. I got a dumb little game. We will do related to. Julio arias and somebody is going to win that bobblehead here on opening day. And we'll keep you up to date on what's going on with the dodgers. We also got game games coming up. Mason ireland seven ten. Espn well pretty ready. Ads in you know kershaw. Just gave up a Single their rockies now leads six two four six two four bottom six a rough start for clayton kershaw now giving up six earned runs all right so john we've got these really cool bobbleheads. Have you taken a look at these. Yes really cool. And we've got one. Who would he is holding the world series trophy and it is a really cool bobblehead. When i'm trying to do is to make these things on google. I've many people that suggests to me that when we do games people are buying time. And then googling stuff so. I'm trying to make this on google. Okay and i think i think i've done it. I think i've done it so we will give that away. I'm not sure if we've got the phones lit up yet you get ready all right peter in cana. Hey peter you're on seven ten. Espn guys saw. Peter i this is a game of closest without going over. Okay okay over the last two years how many innings has julio reas thrown of eight hundred eighty chris in ventura. Hey chris i'm ago hundred and twelve hundred twelve all right over the last two years. That's an interesting gas dean in monrovia. Forty five forty five over the last two years all right okay and denard with a d fifty one fifty one yard okay mace. What's the answer. The correct answer is one thirty. Four and two-thirds innings which means that chris is the winner. All right. chris gets the bobblehead dinky. Christopher plan trace. Thanks thanks a lot for listening to hold on the line and we'll get your information from it so let me ask you something. Yeah so in the fifth inning clayton kershaw. Let's the first two runners on base and they both score and the dodgers fall behind forty two then score to two four two four then in the sixth inning kershaw. Let's the first two runners on then he. Let's a third runner on. He gives them three straight hits. What else does dave roberts need to see. Takes them out of this game. Why did get to obstinate. He just gave up. Here's i think. Here's what's going on johnny if you keep an eye on this game. They're not hitting the ball. Hard off clayton kershaw. They're not ripping the baseball. they're not hitting home runs. The hard hit rate is very low hitting ground balls. Hyun of ten hits in five innings. That's a lot i know. But he's not hitting the ball hard. I think that's why he's out there. I mean i you know they found out cory. Knievel is only after they fell behind six two four after those two renters talked about to score. Now you're you're right could've gone to the hook faster. There could have gone to faster. Corey can able by. The way is new to this team. This'll be as dodgers debut. He has had some really good years particularly in milwaukee. In milwaukee hit thirty nine saves in twenty seventeen. You'll need he only through thirteen innings last year. Yes so i mean. There was a pandemic shortened season. But i think that this is the role you will see him in his kind of a fifth sixth seventh inning guide to try and get you to the back of the bullpen. He's got a really good arm really live stuff. He's got runners at first and second now to away. In the bottom of the sixth i remember address trailing by two eric. Karros had a great line wants. He was on us on a good dodger team and they lost on opening day of course opening day every station radio and tv and every newspaper is there because it's opening day yup and so we get this huge gaggle around and it's like it's a playoff game there are so many cameras and tv's and somebody starts the questioning with eric. What happened in curious. Goes well we lost but we have one hundred and sixty one more. I think we can find a victory. Yeah and it's true. I mean that's the great thing about baseball is that you don't have to suffer through losses during the regular season like you know other point again tomorrow and the plane the day after that and the day after that and it adds up to one sixty two you don't ever have to get especially high or especially low in in baseball in football. It's everything right. I mean when when the rams lose a game. I am devastated for an entire week. Because i know there's i've got to wait a full week to sort of get past that and get a win. Nba is sort of in between right. I mean it's a game of streaks. It's a game of runs literally a game of runs in the standings alana the time You don't have to get incredibly worked up and by the way. We're not especially worked up about the lakers and they are not playing well at all. They just don't have their two big stars so you don't have to get too worked up about it. Because eight teams make the playoffs. An eighteen shot ten now actually. Oh you're right. Ten have a shot and then the play in tournament will get rid of two of them. And you'll be down to your eight. So i think that it is. It's an overreact. Even if the lakers go on a losing streak here and they might. They're not gonna be favored in most of these next seven games. They have a seven game road. Trip starts from our night in sacramento. Yeah i don't know if they'll be favored in any of them but even if they were to struggle for the entire trip the only thing that really matters you finish in that top ten now. I've a little greedy. I've been saying finished in the top. Six yeah i dunno without lebron ad. If that's realistic may not happen. But in that top ten. I think if the lakers end up in the play in tournament they'll win it as long as they get their people back. Can i be honest. Even without lebron in a d. So i'm lowering my expectations dramatically. I still thought this group would be better. How so. I thought they would be more competitive. Well against teams. So let's take a look. Not saying. I'm not saying bringing intensity or anything. I just thought they had more talent. The one thing we talked about coming into this year was the incredible depth. And how much. Better this team god. And all that stuff okay. Let's let's let's use. Let's take comp that that isn't the lakers can win the warriors they win the title and then they go to the finals and lose when both clay and durant got hurt. Yes so the next year they come back. No klay no durant. They still have staff still have dream on they stuck then steph eventually got hurt. But they stunk. They finished with the worst record in the nba last year. Because you took their two of their best players off if you took lillard and mccollum off of portland if you took chris. Paul and devon booker out of phoenix. If you took hawaiian. Paul george off of the clippers mason. None of those teams would be competitive. None you know the only reason that brooklyn has been able to stay competitive is because they have a three headed monster so even if one goes out the other two are there to go out. They still have one of them right. There are a lot of teams in the nba. Matter of fact. I can't think of one other than brooklyn that if you took the two players and you have to remember in the case of the lakers you might have the two best top five players in the nba. Yeah there's just no other team could sustain it. Even the celtics with jason. Tatum and jaylen brown are a five hundred team with their two. Best players right. So i think you're undervaluing. It matters if two great players come off the board if two great players come off the board the other guys are like jiffy. Kennedy said this last night during the broadcast said knicks man. Up is the worst phrase ever to come out of sports because it insinuates that the next man up can replace the one you lost and it's true or else he would be starting in the first place it next man up coach beak. And it's something. A team said t glare players will say it's next man up van gundy who can't help but be honest. That's why he gets paid a lot. He's a lead analyst. Kenny said next man up is never true. Ever he goes you can get he and keep in mind mace fan. Kenny was the coach of that team in new york. When you live there. And they asked ewing and everybody. All the knick fan said nickel. wasn't that next man up. No van gundy says that was learning how to play without your best player but if his best player would have walked back in the door the next man up is out. He's back on the bench. Next man doesn't isn't fair. It insinuates that the guy that's in is as good as the guy that left. And that's never the case. Yeah especially if the lakers all right we'll let you know colorado leads. The dodgers six two four. It is the top of the seventh inning. Corrie knievel on the mound for the dodgers replacing clayton kershaw. Who had a rough afternoon coming up next for. You is game of games and we are starting a new month. Aren't we yesterday started yesterday. Starting to nothing ireland's already one. Go figure it is game of games time and it is brought to you by our friends at power pro plumbing and heating their powerful. They are professional. It is in their name. They are our plumber and they wanna be yours to call one eight hundred five eight four forty one sixteen or visit power pro plumbing dot com disorganized. They couldn't find the sheet. And i still think i got the copy. Mostly right i. It is game a games time. It is john's game today right. Yes and john leads. The month of april we started on march thirty first one. nothing. John what is the game today. Right everybody around here. Lindsey jorges mace. Everybody around here likes food. Yeah i have a list of the world's most unusual food items. Some of these are real some. I made up. I don't have to say no googling because michaels not here right you guys. Tell me real fake. That's it okay. All right here we first one bird. Nests soup bird's nest soup lindsay. Is that real or fake. I'll real horror. I'll say fake. Mace break the tie. Believe i've had bird's nest soup all so are you going real real. It is real exactly what it sounds like. The swiftlet bird makes its nest at of gummy saliva which turned solid when exposed to air. The nest is then boiled into a soup. Many people die each year attempting to take these nests from the sides of cliffs so mesa as possible that you have had. I think i did have urged this nasu. This this is from japan for all right. The next item tayo t t a. o. T. i. t. e. tayo t or you go first real or fake lousy real. Mace reeler fake. You're not gonna tell us what it is now yet. Hotel t. a. o. T. i. e. taylor. I've smoked peyote Is food. I've never eaten tahoe taste so i'm gonna say no you're going fake all right lindsay. Break the tie. I think it's fake okay. It is tayo t hoare. Hey is the warthog from the movie kung fu panda. That up next one. So it's mason to lindsey one. Hey one you've got the lead base. No i have. I got both of those. I guess the same thing as now. Don't kill the judge mason. you go persons simmer down. Were down. Mace kanga k. a. n. g. kanga is a real food or did i make it up fillet of kangaroo. Yes it's real okay lindsay. It's fake whorehouse a real horror. Hey you're over. Three hang is the female kangaroo from the winnie the pooh books so not a fillet of kangaroos. I was thinking of like the hats. But i think that's actually kangol and goal. Yeah he has the lead all right then. Three for lindsay to for mace bupkus. The next one more meat lindsey more rail your food or might be more might. I don't know how to pronounce it but you're going real. Okay i don't think he's a character anywhere so i'll say real real mace. I think that sounds like something from australia. I'm going to say real very good base. All three of you get the point. Reggie might right. Marmite also known as vegemite is simply yeast extract. It's found in the bottom of barrels and has a concentrated salty tastes that people spread on toast and cheese all right to lindsay for mason. Three two one. Ooh okay. this wants to you. George rack to gino rattle. Gino is that a food or did i make it up. I'll say fake. You're going fake mace. Rack to gino. Rack to gino. Rfk t. a. g. j. I know rack to gino. I'll say that's fake. And george you say fake fake. Yeah all right lindsay. What are you going and sounds kind of like radha ratatouille which israel so. I'll say israel linda. You should with the boys rack to gino. Is the coffee that the klingons drink on star. Yeah the you find these things. I have useless knowledge. Double rack gino. Exactly now transport me lindsey four horror to mason for all right base this when it comes to you why sp crackers wasp crackers. Mace real or fake. I'm gonna say real okay. Lindsay guess fake real it. Israel mason takes the lead a wafer thin cracker or cookie. That's filled with yummy wasp. Popular japanese snack is usually stinger free but there have been several tongue related injuries in the past. Yeah yeah my day. Well you've got one two three four left. What time. oh here we go May shoot first on that one right. Yes lindsay stink heads sting. Is that real or fake. I'm gonna guess. Fake story. Although real mace break the fake lindsay or a whore. Hey you're the only one that got that stink. Heads is an alaskan dish. That involves firming. The heads of king salmon after the haitian you bury the heads for a few weeks mashed into mush and eat it all right. We'll eat. this is very close. Mace five lindsay four four. Hey for come back. yeah great. Who went first on that one lindsay. Okay four hey mutt. Tuck m u. K t u k mart. Tough as i'll say i'll say fake you're gonna fake maith. I'm going to go fake lindsay real. Oh lindsay tires. Well-done lindsey chuck is a greenland delicacy made from frozen whale skin and blubber skin like hazelnuts and the fat is tough and chewy crap. That sounded like a monkey mind. I said no fake five lindsay five jorges four and this is the last one and then i have a tiebreaker. If we knew this is for everything this is the last one here we go mace. You have to go i k- crispy tarantulas crispy tarantulas as crispy Fake right lindsay. I'm going say up their real because you can really cook anything or hey going. Real has to be real ladies and gentlemen. We have a winner in that winter is lindsay full tin real. These sodium and spiders were first out of necessity under the mer rouge regime by the poor. Now they've evolved into a common snack. They supposedly taste like crab right nasty. I bet well done. You are on the board and tie. i've eaten crickets. I had a really bad dream about a tarantula last night. Ironic course snails are delicious. Escargot snails delicious. Yeah that's weird stuff man. That is weird stuff. I so we'll let you know that the rockies are up six to four over the dodgers. It is the bottom of the seventh inning corrie a clean inning or gone out of the jam and now jimmy nelson making his dodgers debut runner on first one away he milwaukee also right like he was also brewer. Yeah and he's coming off back surgery and had a great spring and made the team as what was supposed to be a long relief situation. Here he is in the seventh inning and a key situation in a very close ballgame. I think you know. I think that the show has been. I'm going to give it a six. What are you. what's your getting fine. See you can't talk about the show rating. The show is okay at the end of every day we rate to show today's today's show. I'm giving six today. Show is better than a six. What are you give it. Give it a seven point. Five seven point five lindsay seven seven seven. Seven seven okay. So that's well above average that we're done for today solid eight on the week though right solloway then a great week. We're going to wrap it up in a big way tomorrow as we get ready for. Ucla in the final four as we get ready for dodgers rockies we get ready for Lakers you beat gonzaga. Is it one of the great. Ucla basketball wins of all time. Keep in mind that they've won eleven. Titles i'll tell you tomorrow. Sadako kaplan l z screwed up the order sodano l z and cap. Next seven ten espn.

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Mike Tirico (05-06-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Mike Tirico (05-06-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net. Production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. It could be a little frustrating, especially if you're in a hurry running late to find yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train and the signals are going in the trains, not even there yet can feel a little bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks. Well, don't ever trains are often going faster than you expect them to be and they can't stop even if the engineer hits the brakes right away can take a train over a mile to stop by that time. What used to be your car is just a crush hook metal. What used to be you? Well, better not to think about that. The point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive the train can't stop even mid-seas u-. The result is disaster. The signals are on the train is on its way. And you just need to remember one thing. Stop trains can't. Casting from the Mercedes man cave. It's Dan patch. Well, I did give you guys the green light to make fun of me after last week. And you guys have taken full advantage of that welcome to the program. It's hour to on this Monday and the danettes Dan Patrick show. Mike Tariq, oh, he was hosting at the Kentucky Derby, Mike will join us coming up we had some controversy yesterday. So we'll talk to Mike, and I love how people in my position today. Everybody's gonna sound like their horse racing experts. I've been to these races. I've covered these races. But I don't do this on a regular basis. The only thing that I do is you try to seek out the right people to give you the right information with this. Do I think they got the call, right? Yes. Would I have factored in the conditions of the track? And that's I don't know if there's any wiggle room there at all did the jockey do this on purpose. And if somebody gets an opportunity to interview Gary west, he is the owner of max. Sim- security, please ask him the following. How would you feel if it was the other way around? How would you feel if another horse at one and you finished second? And all of a sudden, you saw the inquiry or you wanted the inquiry would you filed a complaint, I just be curious if he says, no, I would not okay. But he was on the today show and said that he is not going to have his horse run in the Preakness. And now people are on Twitter saying what about a revenge match, and I go, I don't think the horse knows that it lost. Everybody else knows. I don't know of maximum security is being treated differently like you see being shunned. Yes. For two what if he ran in the Preakness and something similar happened again, then he becomes like the Grayson Allen horse tripping. Everytime. Is it a race to McSherry when I got to blame this on the horse. If I'm playland anybody. It's the jock that a free pass a little too quick, the horse jockey would not turn the horse in another path to make them. The horse went rogue. All also, you're blaming it on the horde. He was trying to win the he knows what he's doing. I don't think. So he she. Yeah. I don't know. It's a he okay. Will you be over minded? I don't know. I think I think she would be like a gelding or something. And if they stud fees be to me in the fact that Gary west is a billionaire. He's the owner maximum security. I don't think he's too concerned about stud fees for his horse. I don't think so. But he's not going to run him in the Preakness. Maybe runs him in the Belmont. But I can't imagine what that feeling must be like because the cameras on you and would Gary west get his first Kentucky Derby, and they're celebrating and hugging. And then all of a sudden, you're going. Wait a minute here way. What's going on somebody filed a claim here? What what ha- who on who? What happened? Don't know yet. We'll get back to you in twenty two minutes. Meanwhile, Mike Tariq, oh, take it away and fill time. Did it really need to take twenty two minutes and we've gotten to the point with instant replay. It's not called instant replay anymore. It's just called replay. Because it's not an instant they had to change it. Oh, it's instant replay. Oh, great. We'll get the results right away. Now. It's like an MRI. We'll get back to you on it. Yeah. Pulling but imagine the other way if you're a better, and you had a country house when which went off at sixty five to one let's say you, but ten bucks on country. How I okay this'll be. I'll take a flyer. I liked the name and your oh second. Oh, I almost had one of the great upsets the history, and you're ready to rip up your ticket. You're ready to turn off the TV. And then you see the inquiry and all of a sudden, you're ten dollars is now six fifty. That's what I want to know the number of people who ripped up their tickets through away. And then all of a sudden, you're trying to piece together you got you got, you know, the race from the Kentucky Derby and like the third race from earlier in the day at the derby trying to piece it all together. Man. I your phone calls are welcome as they always are on Monday, while they're they're also welcome on the other days of the week except for Saturday and Sunday. Operators are standing by eight seven seven three DP show, Email address teepee, Dan, Patrick dot com. And you can if you'd like to respond to our poll question today. The officials at the Kentucky Derby got it. Right. Got it. Right. But you didn't like out played out or they got it wrong. So you can join in the fun with that your phone calls. Mike Tariq, oh joins us. Jamal Murray of the Denver Nuggets. Will join us in the final hour as the nuggets beat the blazers last night there up there tied to a piece bucks up to one on the Celtics play tonight warriors up to one on the rockets, they play tonight raptors seventy Sixers tied at two games apiece. And it feels like Joel Embiid 's toughness is being questioned today because he called his or text his coach yesterday morning saying that never felt this before. And I think shack called him out saying you got to, you know, tough this out you gotta play in these games and the seventy Sixers, you know, there's a whole lot riding on the seventy Sixers in my opinion. Brett Browns job. I think is hanging in the balance here. I really do. And then is Jimmy Butler going to stay with this team. What's going to happen with Ben Simmons? What kind of players Ben Simmons going to be a Tobias Harris. Is he going to be with his team? Does he want to be with this team in those are the things that I'm curious about? And then on the other side, you got the raptors with quiet, Leonard, and John Kerry who is a former player, he's doing the call tonight. Warriors rockets recipe N last hour said has gone to the clippers. No matter what in his opinion from what he's hearing qui- is leaving Toronto, no matter how. How far Toronto goes. So you have that in this series as well. There's there's a lot. I don't know if anybody's watching the series, but there's a lot of interesting subplots here in this series bettors wagered on maximum security lost about nine million dollars when the Colt was disqualified for interference this. According to Churchill Downs online, ouija ring service nine million dollars there. I phone calls coming up. I just saw this on Bleacher report Adrian Wootton around ski talking about Klay Thompson, if the warriors don't offer him the max contract watch for the clippers not the Lakers. I I'm guessing they're going to offer him the max, I would think I do think Klay. Thompson has the best job in all of all the sports because he never gets blamed never. He's not the focal point. And then then he'll score thirty two points in a quarter. And then we'll trumpet him. And he's considered one of the great shooters in the history of the game. Yes, seton. And all of that that you just said is the guy you want to give max contract to that. Like, he's not. He's never the focal point. Like, he's got the best job. Because none of the pressure is on him. He just gets to hang out shoot and play and is not the leader or anything. Yeah. And if he goes to the clippers it'll be quite Leonard steam, then he could just sort of fit in where he needs to fit. He quietly calmly averages twenty two a game during the season. But never gets blamed like we're blaming Steph curry for being subpar in this series. But nobody brings up clay. But Claire have like those moments where you go. Oh, my God that guy is unbelievable. And then he consorted go about putting up twenty two a night. He's got a good gig there. Yeah. Mclovin. For the record. There's like thirty to max contract players already. There's gonna be like twenty more. You don't have to be that great to be like, Bradley Beal's max contract like Claes? Definitely good enough to be in that group. Isn't he top thirty? I know I'm just going by what wo- just sing. But you know, you can have to max contracts. Right. That that that to me makes the most sense if you're the clippers, and you can get Klay Thompson with quite Leonard, which he would be a great compliment for him. Then I understand that if Katie leaves? Then don't you think the war is would offer max is to clay and Steph then drain on do dream on. I don't know. They don't even cover Draymond. I just didn't the owner say that I never want dream on leave recently. Yes. And that was really more my point not about where clay falls in how much money he should make throughout the whole league. But I'm the warriors. You can have to max contract guys is he really one of the guys that you think is max conjuring. Yeah. A few if John wall's Amax contractor Br Bradley Beal the thing that Klay does Claes a great two way player. He really is. I mean, he's wonderful shooter. And he's a really good defender and aside from Paul George. She's probably second on that list of being a great two way player at the guard position. Yes, mclovin. Yeah. The defense. That's what they're saying. Jimmy Butler too that he actually plays defense. He does. Yep. Steph. Curry is currently maxed out through the twenty one twenty two season next year. He'll make forty million twenty twenty one. He makes forty three million twenty one twenty two he makes forty six million. And then he's unrestricted free agent twenty twenty two which we should start talking about. Now. It's just unbelievable, and you can't can't help but watch Washington Wizards game and gone. John wall is making forty two million dollars. Oh, man. Nobody can live up to that hype. You can't there's some really bad players making big money. Yes. There are auto porter may twenty seven million last year. He walked into the gym here. He might not be the first pick. Okay. That's a little harsh. If Otto porter came in. Then I would take him. I don't know Puerto twenty seven million thought mclovin was joking way. Like exaggerates guys make a two hundred million next year. Oh, like two bomber hitting four hundred exaggerating. No, real number. I've been outta porter. Doesn't know he's making twenty seven million God while Blake Griffin's thirty one. Gordon Hayward that thirty one there's some Tim bad numbers out there right now. Yeah. Gordon Hayward at thirty one million not good. If he'd sit Blake. Blake. Yeah. I guess, but in he would have been more valuable to Utah. I think because I don't I don't know what the Celtics are going to do and how he fits in with that. But Blake Griffin was the only guy you knew on the pistons, basically aside from Andre Drummond. Any played pretty well for them and they made the playoffs. Yes. Mclovin. Chris PA thirty five. Man is that his age or is that the amount of money's making? Probably both. He got old. He really did. Like you keep waiting for Chris Paul to have these moments in the playoffs, and it's just not there. Yeah. Pull I've got a list of the top fifty players in the NBA, and they're all like good to very good to great. And then you run into a name like Otto porter jR in the fifteenth spot out of Puerto junior makes more than CJ McCollum. Joel embiid. Anthony Davis joke each he makes more than the honest will they haven't gotten to that contract yet. Right. That's that's why. The other some bad. There's some bad contracts. Man, data Vel player you see. What are you thinking? I should've I should've played basketball, and I should have my contract guaranteed. That's another thing. This isn't NFL frontloaded stuff where we can cut you after year three you're stuck with this. And we don't know what kind of player John wall was going to be when he comes back from this injury. Ample you wanna play the overpaid NBA players game. Average Al Horford makes this year made what this year twenty nine. Yes. Twenty nine million. Good jobs L. Yes. I know my L Horford, wait, we say that's overpaid or appropriately paid. We always say if you're millions are more than your points, rebounds, and assists together you're overpaid. Is Al Horford overpaid with the Dan Patrick show criteria? He's probably averaging fourteen in eight this year because that's okay. So that twenty two then he'd have to average seven assists to get there. He's overpaid. But he draws Jaanus and Embiid out from the bath stats. Yeah. Yeah. That's trust me. He's knocked the Sixers out of the playoffs times. He's actually very good player. He's he's in the hall of very good now with Paul Millsap. And Joe Johns serviceable, Paul Millsap Al Horford made four he he was fourteen and seven this year. And then you throw it four sist-. So you're at easy one. He's overpaid. Yeah. Little overpaid. Who's underpaid? James James harden would be underpaid Jaanus would be underpaid. Damian Lillard like if you use these numbers you put the points rebounds insists. You'd probably find a few guys that are under Lillard kind of like appropriately paid. He makes twenty eight million. His stats are better than his millions. Yes. Nikola Millsaps next year is on the hook for thirty thirty million dollars. He's adding to the economy of Denver, Colorado. Yeah. Well, I was going to say do people know where Paul Millsap plays that that was the next question who makes the most money where you not sure where they play do. You know, where auto porter jR, the third place. Yeah. I see on the same team that he's always been on Georgetown. Out of Georgia. Does he play in Washington DC? He's still there. Right. He is not he feels like an Atlanta. Hawks to me but auto Puertas not in Washington anymore. Sarah Landau or live. I'm just putting it out there who is the highest paid player. You don't know who he plays your Bari Parker makes twenty million dollars a year. I don't know who he plays. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. He's in the league was it Chicago. Then he go over Chicago. And by the way, I think I just looked it up outta porters on the bulls. We got our reporter that Allan crab. Remember, Al RAB? And I think he's moved around since he was two nets. He was is he still there? How much is Helen crab make he's pulling in an easy nineteen ninety million. He's averaging nine three. Oh, he's with the nets. Okay. Did nine points a game. What about did you everytime? Rodney hood pulls up for a shot or Portland. I think America's Rodney hood on Portland. I can't get used to it. He's only making like one point three fees. A bargain was huge last game. Mike in Washington joins us. Hey, mike. What do you have for me today? Hey, Dan, gotta give you the it obligatory. Six foot five two hundred and fifteen. And I'm going to preface this by saying first of all I'm loath to give praise to Philadelphia sports product. But I think you know, while it's true. Ben Simmons definitely needs to develop a shot. He should also be be praised for not being TJ Chuck or not excuse me for not being TJ Machaca shot. For example, you give Westbrook's, you know, he's got more problems than the math book and his game yet. He's never met a jump shot that he never liked. So I think it's good that Ben Simmons recognizes where he'