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Let It Roll: ICYMI: Booker T. & the MGs, Sam & Dave, Otis Redding All Brought to us by Stax Records

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Let It Roll: ICYMI: Booker T. & the MGs, Sam & Dave, Otis Redding All Brought to us by Stax Records

"It's time to let it roll the podcast about how and why popular music happens with hosts. Nate wilcox be sure and subscribe to the let it roll podcast on itunes soundcloud or potter matic and check out our website at let it roll. Podcasts dot com this week natives joined by robert. Gordon discuss his book. Respect yourself. stacks records in the soul explosion in this episode robert innate discuss the birth and rapid rise of stax records the early hits of booker t. And the mg's otis redding and carla thomas as well as the political social and racial context of memphis tennessee in the nineteen sixties. Pop in those earbuds and enjoy welcome to the letter role. Podcast this is your host wilcox. And we've got a special treat. Two part episode with author. Robert gordon discusses classic. Respect yourself stacks records and the soul explosion rob. Thanks for coming back on the show. This is something. I've been looking forward to for a long time. Man let it roll all right. So stacks records. I just have to start with this great quote. You got on the cover from richard hell and the wall street journal. Who called it. A joyous and heartbreaking story that says a lot about america. I mean first off how the world is richard. Hell end up doing a book review for the wall street journal. And secondly man is that some of the story. well. I can't explain how the what is connection to the journalist but I was pleased that you know. I liked that a rocker. Flash poet could be some enthusiasm about the story that made me feel really good and and it really captures the essence of it. Because you know the music these are the people that brought us. Otis redding and sam and dave and isaac hayes johnny taylor and bark as and bucatini. Mg's and so much right joyous that is given so many americans and so many people all around the world so much joy and pleasure and yet when you dive into the story there is heartbreak and violence and rushing corporate abusive power financial. Impropriety gun. play. I mean it's You know so many people who are key to the story that we're just i don't know that you could say they weren't treated right but but ultimately came to a bad end. Pack exton the spirit of memphis taken a al jackson junior. Possibly the greatest drummer of all time. you know how do you how do you. How do you live with a story like this. You produce a movie for pbs about it the same title and then you run is five hundred. Page tom i mean. Do you find the weight of the story overwhelming that it was really hard to get control of and part of You know when you read a quote. Like richard hell's in praise of the book. It's so satisfying to me. Because i felt like by the time. I submitted distorted from vacation that i had gotten control of. Its its unwieldy. And here's actually here's a here's a it was two quick points one is everybody loves. Everything's all the action is in the first half and the booker team. The geez you know Is reading such but one of the things that my work on stacks revealed was that the second half Was every bit as exciting. There's no you know between the gmg's leave during that part and the whole sort of family atmosphere dissipates but it was a really exciting period so that was really cool to get to do that. then the other point i was gonna make was when i first spoke to a publishing company. I went back to one where i'd already done a book and they had told me. Come back anytime and bring any subject. That doesn't have to be music. We think you know we. We want to do what you wanna do. And i was thinking. Wow what an invitation. So when i went back with this just in no time they turned around and said no. We're we're gonna pass on that. I was like what's up. They said we don't do label books. And i couldn't figure out. Why would you not do a label book. When when this so fascinating and writing it i. It became clear. There's so many characters that and everyone's always jostling for the front of the spotlight. You know so the way. I broke it down in my head. Was i sort of had my. I had like a tier beats here and see tier characters know and surprisingly the eight year was the two founders. Jim stewart and a cell axed him their siblings and bell. Who became the who was not gonna american who joined the company in nineteen sixty five and becomes vice president nelson so loaner. Then you had all these musicians great musicians they were the beach year and then the lesser musicians but important musicians the seat here and that made it work. That made it possible to wrangle the hostal. And i gotta take my hat off pm in. It's it's a great job. The narrative threads keep pulling you through you care about the characters You know you put put on a set a stax volt singles collections. And read this book. And it's just it's almost. I mean it's really overwhelming especially. We'll get to this at the end of this episode. You know nine hundred. Sixty eight was such a heartbreaking year for stax seventy ways. Let's start with the fun stuff. I like this is this. Is your child memphis. And i love the image that you share on the preface. When you were a kid memphis in the seventies there were two limousines to be on the lookout for. Who's his drive around town. So so yeah. We know if it wasn't it was a time when limos were not calmer and only celebs in the very wealthy and in memphis it was either Elvis presley or is the case. And and my brother and i would see one in traffic. You know in the backseat. We go mom mom pull up and the only way to know whose was whose was because the license plate on isaak's had moses for black more so for ted moses. You're behind the caves. If it didn't your i'm elvis presley and and i think that in elvis early on and sharing the vividness and the way that isaak's operated in memphis in the seventies at his peak as a peer of elvis. I think that just really says it. All i mean and gives you a sense of the magnitude of what that record label meant to that city and what it meant to the culture of america and what it has meant since then i don i think the legacy of stacks is really only grown. You know more samples than anybody decided. James brown and george clinton in the hip hop world for isaak's in the tax label mates and and i think you know because of south park. And other things isaac Maybe been overlooked a little bit. But when you when you really take in the the whole body of work. The songwriter producer. For sam dave and the massive heads the shaft soundtrack and cultural in he was maybe worse. Yeah he was that he he was a guy. There were there were you know. In addition to dr king's it to the riots. That were here when dr king was killed. The city reminded tinderbox and there were times in the seventy s killing of a young team in elvin hayes and and other events where riots were about to break out and they would call isaak's to call crowds you know. Send him out on the street put him on. Wd a him and rufus. Thomas would be on w. dia calming the city. Just wild power that stax had here and that and the city never recognized that power except when it needed it like in those times and ultimately the know the powers that be local and federal turned on. Stacks an ambitious way and and corporate. But we'll get to that in the second part one thing that i got this book that you know when you when you look at the videos and you watch the greatest hits of tea and you get this vision of integrated joy and that the sixties were this magical time when white musicians and black musicians could come together as equals to make the music that i mean. That was literally heard around the world. I mean a favorite band. The rolling stones and the who and beatles and seventy brits and americans everywhere but you really bring home was a hell of a racist town. Yeah well good. I'm glad a couple of trump. i mean because you have to have to understand that it's funny. I didn't add that read until later in the process. When i realized that the story sort of i think of it like a diamond A jewel looks beautiful in your hand when you put it against black velvet or when you when you win the jeweler gives it the right contrast then it's Luminance can be seen and the stacks story needs the the story the racist story. The hated the hated in hateful story of memphis and lock material there to draw from ever starting. You've got a great sense and the premise. That that i just have to read. It says the rule that intended to silence instead fostered a voice that outlives those tyrants the blues rock and roll and soul music all indigenous to memphis and mississippi are expressions of the heart and soul in response to in defiance of the oppression. I mean you know this. Music is going to be listened to long after the racist crackers dead and buried and and hopefully they're racists descendants won't be you know proud boy in all over our heads when it happens it does seem like we're just dimmed to fight the same fights over and over but you know to me. It's like as long as we've got music like this to listen to You know the best part of humanity's never going to be defeated and. I think that you do a good job of bringing these three characters of jim stewart and assist still accident and their partner alabel out and and the story of jim still just a unique for that time and place them in is this are hillbilly kids. Basically who came to the big city and seemingly did know enough to be racist about it if not more than that. They didn't know enough but they had been raised in the country and Not an in in tennessee country Not in like a big farming Not like in the mississippi delta with a huge farms so consequently the impoverished black from the impoverished got along because they needed each other to survive so these people while while i'm sure racism was taught to many families many playmates of gymnasts del Jim nfl were raised to treat people. Right you know. And so and and so when they came here and experience when it came to memphis and experienced racism they knew it was wrong and their decision to go into music. You know was really a a lark in a way. It was a sideline But i think that they part of what drew them was the spirit in memphis expressed on the radio. I know it's still was a big fan of dewey phillips who is the local disc jockey Who played who who radio show was unlike any others in the nineteen fifties because he didn't stick to one genre it. A def- you know went from black music to white music Holy music to secular music bluegrass too blues. You know the in a way. I always think this is a little sidetracked but i think that that elvis is our single which was a blues song played like a rookie. Upbeat tempo of a loughran song and the b. side was a bluegrass song kind of dragged out like lose summation of dewey phillips aesthetic. And so do we. I think jim to music and they resonated with him because in this land of racism they were people who didn't buy and right out of the gate they were lucky to have. Hits may not very first recordings but pretty quickly and an carl rufus thomas who had the first hit record bearcat cap for sun records had the first hit record for stacks and he and his daughter carla then go on I guess i was a duet. With rufus and carla carlotta A hit Gee whiz but i wanna play a song By little band that came together in studio actually came together in the bars and clubs around Probably a high school in memphis. It was a bunch of white boys who call themselves. What the royal spades believe Lat long doggone bob. that didn't laugh. Yeah so she had the good sense to kill. It came up with the name the marquez. But her son paki guy who would later be known as the spirit of memphis. Ident i'll put on a tragic figure of alcoholism at thirty two but when he was You know eighteen. He's a saxophone player with confidence. Bravado talk his way into this band. Ban with steve cropper and dunn and They put together an instrumental hit called last night and it was the blending of them in the studio with some african american. That made that happen. Tell us the story of that song last night. Okay so yeah. You've got the ban you got these white kid emulating the local african american bands Because there was a real swing and nightclub scene in memphis in the late fifties all through the fifteen hundred forty on and And what happened was combos got smaller. You know as time progressed. And so these High school teenagers in late fifties thought they could play. Those kinda sounds Hockey joined the band packing approaches. The guys i love this in the smoking room at high school and And says he wants to join the band that they're not interested in having anyone else in the band until he says My my mom. And my uncle have a recording studio. And steve cropper. Says you know practice saturday. Three either and we'll go check out the recording studio. So that's how packing gets in all the kid hit it off with Gymnast dell help them build this new recording studio in an old movie theater and once it gets going rufus thomas well rivers. Thomas is the first Local position to come in the door and he begins to record still has a record store in the front of it so immediately. There's traffic like in the lobby of the movie theaters. Now a record store people going in and out these issues here that there's rehearsals in the back. And he's white kid trying to figure out how to play. And some of the more experienced musicians began to blend with them and chips moment. Who later becomes the leader at american studios in memphis chips. was responsible or elvis presley. Come back in nineteen sixty eight and And recorded The in memphis and a whole bunch of graybeards he began. He was in stacks of. Tom was called satellite records. Proponents called tax and He brings in he. He's sort of guides this mix of black and white and the sounds and produces the song last night that we're about to ear. I love the song it to me. It catches the excitement and flair and good times. That still goes on on the streets at night in memphis. There's a little bit of a controversy about the altar ship in the song. So we talk about that or let's hear it first and then we'll talk about it right. So let's let's hear last night by the markes marquee. Marquees bad was last night by the mark keys. I keep getting that wrong name. I still accident that. The boys want the word the letter q and the title but so they they made. It is spelled phonetically and come across. But there's a controversy as to who wrote the song and and who got to go out on the road with the song that was recorded by an integrated band but when the marquess hit the road The the black musicians had to stay home. What was it was the deal with that. Yeah the the laughing musicians were older. And one was a schoolteacher and another had a family here and these white kids were kinda mean they were. They were nothing. But you know party and teenagers In fact they had to wait for their that. Wait for summer vacation to take the first store because the drummer was still in high school Carl thomas went on the road with them for a minute and still went out chaperone and both of them wanted to come home real quick. 'cause these kids were that wiles than and The other controversy had to do with the authorship. Because these the two african american guys get capable and floyd floyd the when you hear ago asked They claim to have come up with the risk and that the song was there 's and that and there's an interesting character in the book they're still husband was kind of a racist guy even though it's not easy alchoholic in the family but she steps up and when he learns that dishonor might come out without their names. He alerts and pretentious. So it's a really. It's one of those little twists where you know. Even bad people are doing good things around that place. Yeah and and it's also important to note that this dude but his wife mortgage their house to finance stacks records at the beginning so you know stellar husband made a huge contribution and ultimately is remembered by many people like booker t jones as the sole of stax records. The proprietor of the record store the one who brought the kids in the one who listened the one who had the ear for the hit at it just seems like it's impossible. Overstate how big our contribution to stacks into american culture wise and the end of this hour or beginning of the mets. talk about how they screwed. Yeah no no good person. No good because punished around this time. The stuarts stumble into this deal with the snake and the guard. Jerry wexler bionic records. Although i mean jerry comes out really badly in the stack story eating also comes out badly in the in the fame music story as seen in the muscle souls documentary and he comes out badly. The burns documentary This is a guy who did a lot of great things for american music really loves music loves the musicians who got the music who is a great writer and producer. You know brought us right. Charleston retha franklin among others and brought stacks records for a long time. This business deal. They cut with atlantic was really successful for the company. He's the one who hears He gets a tip from a local record. Man about that. I rufus and carla song Because i love you is called and And he signs them to atlantic or he makes a distribution deal with stats. Right then and there. Jim stewart thinks. He's made the deal for that thaw And that group that do at but Ultimately they hammer out a deal they agreed to a deal verbally between that that atlantic will distribute anything by stacks because stacks knows. It's easy to record the records but it's very hard to get out and atlantic has set up a really great distribution system for independent labels. It gives them a fighting chance so Atlantic becomes central in the in the company's success and jerry wexler and tom dowd from atlantic. They become mental. Everybody and i'm gonna jump ahead for a minute and sort of tell expose the snake if he will Means more because the so so then so they hammer out this agreement or they agreed to this thing and nineteen sixty sixty one then come about nineteen fifty five Jerry wester says. Hey we've been doing this on a handshake limps. Let's make a deal. Let's write it down. And he sends down a contract. That jim stewart does not read signs but does not read. Jim basically says hey this say what we've been doing and jerry says yeah you know just Write down what we've been doing. And so jim stewart who had been in business school and had considered lost. Shocking does not read the contract signed and it turns out when in nineteen sixty eight atlantic and facts are gonna part ways. Stacks learns then and then only that They at the contract signed in nineteen sixty five made every record that they put out. That was just stupid by atlantic meaning everything from nineteen nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty the property of atlantic records atlantic stax masters in that deal. It's a i am sure. Atlantic put that in as negotiating point for stacks to takeout but that would have tax to read the deal And what's most amazing to me about whole thing. Is that as angry. People stacks were even when i was speaking to them. You know a few years ago. You talked about this. Steve cropper and you sense is ongoing anger yet at the same time. He admires wexler. You know which. I think indicates the magnitude of wexford contribution to the people absolutely and one of his contributions was through his connections. A kid for making georgia walks in. The door is a chauffeur and his backup. Guitar player named johnny chickens whose whose drawn some attention around the making seen by up drive all night to get to to memphis they. Things don't work out johnny jenkins. This doesn't have it in the studio. And and this kid otis redding. It's to sing. Two songs of the an one is the little richard knock off the other one as the sun. We're going here now. These arms of mine. Let's listen otis. And then we'll talk about the the king of staff man. Aw building earning. And that was these arms of mine. The first song that i just read recorded and the stack studio and steve cropper says when he heard that the hairs on his arm and the neck just stood straight up and he knew that he was in the presence of greatness immediately. Jeb stuart says it took until the third single for him to really get odors. But i mean talk about luck like this. This little family opens up this studio and you get talent booker. T jones and steve cropper. And the thomas family walking in the door and then to have otis redding man who becomes the heir to same cook as the king of soul to walk in the door like this unheralded and unsung you know just fate or what what. How does stuff like that happened. Well it almost doesn't happen is how it happens. You know i mean like you said. It was a johnny jenkins session and When an otis kept begging for a chance and when they finally remembered to let him demo Steve cropper had a run out. A told louis steinberg the bass player who was packing up for his car. You know it was his car for his gig. He said louis. Get your base. Come back inside. we're going to do another one. You know. I mean it. Was that close to not happen. You know four more minutes in the car would have been gone so i think a lot of it. I think the other key thing is is is being open to that. Kind of accident Stacks was a series of mistakes. That would right. And and it was in part. Because there wasn't a vision. You know jim stewards vision had been jim reeves style country saw so once he starts having african american hits you know he's got no real vision for what things are going to be so it becomes this sort of democracy where still has a voice and the crapper has a boys and booker t. has a voice and jim stewart has not domineering. No he's he's allowing it all that he's taking he may have fifty one percent say majority say but he you know is really collaborative in terms of the ideas and i think that that kind of attitude is hard to find and a little risky perhaps but it does provide the atmosphere where beautiful accident can bloom yet. And it doesn't wanna. There's a quote from booker. T jones about otis redding. I think sums up otis's leadership And what you know steve. Cropper says he just put a spark under stacks but booker t. Seems says that. Otis redding seem to be a man on a mission and we picked up that mission and it became all of ours. His intent was so strong and so powerful when recording that it translated to more than music. More than being heard otis wanted to be felt. And that's you know that's how it is. Reading became the leader of stacks. And and you know when they tour europe and sixty seven and then monitory urban sixty six play monterey and sixty seven and is the man in the front leading the charge and having a breakthrough system one that john lennon and make jagger singing the praises of and it's also one of the joys of in the story is other than some disputed song credits and philandering on his wife artist. Reading comes across just a great guy. He was well. I think he picked a great quote From urban he he had a mission was driven and I like there's a range action quote where we're waiting talks about. The way would teach the horn players to do what he heard in his head because that was thing. Oh just heard it in the tet and and the musicians. Who couldn't you know. They could read comic books. They couldn't read music They they weren't you know they they could hear it can take his kind of destruction. Hope you wanna do it like you know like says getting their face ago and go. Ha ha i got song by. Otis grew out of otis teaching them a horn rest. He wanted them to play like this and suddenly they made a whole. They made a whole song out So it's that otis could hear it in his head and these guys could take his instruction And he inspired them all another just another way to to spin here Booker also describes I mean as we're getting the sense of out of a energy Booker describes alabel as the otis. Redding a business. Which i think says a lot Because al had a vision like otis had a vision just in a different realm and al bell comes into the story in the mid part of the sixties. Although jim stewart meets him. I think literally the first time he goes to a radio station to promote one of his records out bells. Dj there and they meet an al bell. Is this amazing charismatic figure. I mean he's he's the classic black panther type figure of the sixties. I mean he's six five he's handsome. He's articulate he's smart as shit He's a kid who grew up Oblivion arkansas and had been told you know black. People can't do not sing and dance. And they didn't use the word by and he sees that and it clicks had. That's my opportunity. That's the open line that that why the white man let me take and you know that kid took it as far as as a society would let him and way beyond he turned adversarial or a Like he used to say he when he heard that about Like people singing and dancing He said that's not a negative. That's the positive. I can make money that you know. He had a way of seeing where things could go. and at stacks. He brought radio as you said he got his start in. When it became head of promotions of stacks he knew how to handle the disc jockeys had the energy to start. You know with the morning. Jocks on the east coast and ended with the even jocks on the west coast. And and he had the gift of gab. Could talk all day and stay interesting. You know So he was a remarkable god. He is a remarkable. And then i think the key anecdotes about his relationship with jim stewart was that his first day of the job he shares an office with jim stewart and shares. A phone with jim stewart. And this is in this incredibly segregated society. I mean literally. When jerry wexler i came down signed a deal he dempster go out to dinner with rufus and carla thomas because of the color line. And here's this white man just passing the phone receiver back and forth to al bell black man all day long and and alabel really appreciated that. I mean he he. He appreciated what what the stewart and an accident at for for him in for black memphis and at the same time. Some of the. He's the one that pushes the style accident out. He's the one who who marge allies. Steve cropper so many. You know it's like so often stack story the very step that advances the is the thing that lays the seeds for the downfall. It's just shakespearean. This i thought of has the as as like Double greek myth or greek tragedy. You know stellar heights or gene and then a dramatic dramatic and seeming You know say. Don't fall tyler by yet another rise and and what about that phone going by or is that when al would hand it to jim when the when the black man went to the white man the white man did not clean the receipt you know there. There was no something as intimate is that it was no suggestion of superiority or inferiority. And that it's really bad. Detailing that is key in there and the theme of the the great tragedy in the and the greatness being tied to the downfall to take it back to the snake and the guard. Jerry wexler natalie brings the music of stacks to the world but he brings artists into stacks to make great music. Not just ama- dave who are artists the whole time. But also wilson pickett don covy and really established stacks as one of the key musical centers for recording in this era. And you know and yet you know. Steve cropper wilson pickett. Get together. I time made. I think they right. They cut right in the midnight hour. And yet i think by pickets second session at stax. He's pissed the band off so much that that they're all taking a smoke break to get away from him and he tries to pass out hundred dollar bills and they're just even more incensed in refuse to record with this guy anymore. I mean how the hell had happened. That people can make that kind of great music together and just not be able to stand each other's presence You know that's right. I mean. I haven't seen this new laurel and hardy film understand that they didn't necessarily get along and you know salmon. Dave couldn't even speak to each other during their later. Years touring You know. I don't think it's terribly uncommon Especially or partnerships when people are young because they get kind of the end up feeling trapped I don't know that's we'll leave that to a psychologist to unravel for us But i think that wilson pickett story is characteristic of wilson himself. He was by all accounts. Really difficult guy You know they they had hit right off. The bat and he in cropper were Important partners in songwriting. But i don't think that they could see you know they couldn't survive it when when that's really what closes outsiders in a way the the second recording session with wilson pickett goes so badly that jerry that Jim tells yari atlantic. Don't you know don't set aside anymore. We don't want down kobe. We don't want wilson pickett Thanks for telling us about Aretha franklin we're gonna pass on that too you know i mean it led to some negative decisions but but it let's tax become more insular An and familial place you know kept that sense of family. A lot longer absolutely. And let's hear that product of of the atlantic stax marriage that that was became the deepest part of the stacks family which is same dave in their classic on coming written by isaac hayes and david porter the first really great songwriting team to emerge at saxo. Let's hear it hold on coming our standard classic for my money. Probably the quintessential stack sixty song. And and even though otis redding is is you know the the front man of stacks nate. Putt the osas. And i don't think. Sam and dave ever matched an album like otis blue and didn't match the performance at monterey but they pushed him to the absolute limit both in the studio with great hits like that and also as a live act. You know when they toured you notice readiness a kid who when he started out stood stock. Still on stay ger. Maybe raised one arm and he has to has to follow these two dynamos who are just fueled by testosterone and rivalry and never clicked his people but clicked so brilliantly as as as performers the intensity. And if you see footage of salmon. Dave especially backed by booker t. m. Jeez oh my god you can see where distracting would be scared to death. And and seventy like reading doesn't buckle though otis redding blossoms in the face of that You know the oldest doesn't follow them until the sixty seven europe tour and when he realizes when he sees on stage and realizes that he's got to go out and pop that al bell said he was like that otis was like a racehorse at the gate just sort of site himself up and became this guy working in in place backstage that and awaiting that bill to be called out to go out and throwing south into it like you know nobody's business It's a great rivalry. I think your description was right on. It took the rivalry of salmon days. The you know interact rivalry to Spirit oded into the interact and one of the one of the other seeds of the downfall of the original family atmosphere. Stacks was that the performer. Starting pay the songwriters especially were getting paid. The record label was getting paid but the musicians were struggling running from session to gig to session two gig and album figured out a way to make that work at least for the core members of the ban. You know i call the big six. Which was the four members of booker. T and the m g as well as the songwriting team of two case david porter and so they each became independent producers and and had their own artists and but then split the pie equally and magical chemistry of as of porter and hayes imported with sam and dave. It lasts just a short time. It just really lasts for the sam. And dave era as soon as atlantic pulls away from stacks that. Take sam and dave witham sam and dave never really click again and and we'll talk about this in the next episode but hey supporter drift away too but just talk about the magic of that forward chemistry for a minute at six hundred kids with the whole band air. Yeah we'll do so you've got you've got In in in a way the first thing to notice that. Sam and dave aren't like aren't like the every brothers they're not this duo. That harmonizes beautifully. They are in a way The they are sort of like each of the leader and each's each's a chorus they they push each other more than they harmonize with each other. So it's something is just Built in energy In their partnership. And then i became. David porter are Bringing the energy of their own partnership to the two of them is david produce sessions and Isaac will have you know isaac will lead. The music and david is kind of like the the choir director is the one He's the music director in a way. Sort of pointing out through to do what when there's a great moment it was just in Oh he's hold on. I'm coming so man where where Sam says you know. bursts boozy autism spontaneous doozy themselves twitch steve as steve is going into a slide. Guitar solo The the the who's just one big unified group in there him. Geez hayes importer Hayes at the piano order in front of the whole group and Sam and dave and trump in front of everybody jim in the control room I mean it was just a there. Was nothing wasted and there was nothing there that didn't need to be there. They were all contributing and making this mighty sound and is we can david or bringing social consciousness to the music as well. Because by the time they were happening you know the Civil rights movement is well underway. Saturday come to stacks nineteen sixty five so Civil rights act is fresh You know voting act housing. All these major research overhaul of american society of happening and and re things like soul man and and hold on. I'm coming david. And isaac are infusing the power of the moment into the songs and i think that they're being expressed by an integrated band in the studio also adds power to it It's very beginning of the show. We were talking about how the music made by those who were oppressed without will survive without last the and i think hold on. I'm coming as a great example of that. People are going to be dancing on the floor to that long after their even thinking about The racial problems of the nineteen sixties absolutely and and and artist read in tours europe. You know the the whole stacks. Review with booker t. and g. salmon dave and an headline As spectacularly successful tour of europe in which they see by the way they're treated in england they realize well we are stars and kinda hold away in the studio or out on the chitlins circuit and yet to be greeted by the beatles. Limos at the london airport you know. And and this is just a year so after brian epstein had called up and asked about record in the beatles stacks i mean out of all the studios in the world. The beatles wanted to record it. Stacks if they were gonna leave abbott road and it didn't work out because of the publicity but you know and then this sets up their otis's triumphant performance at monterey. That really broke him through to the national crowd. I mean not. Only to monterey pop break you know janice joplin and jimi hendrix. But it broke otis redding wide open and and and then he has surgery on his voice takes a few months off. And he's obsessed with sergeant pepper and spends the time the woodshed and for a guy who basically knock on notices songwriting early on that he didn't do the lyrics matter. It's very much like john. Young john lennon like we care about the sound man. We don't care about the words and artists has this breakthrough and and pours out all the basically all the compositions he's best known for docket obey too hot to handle etc and finds a young band that he can take on the road with them in the bark. As who are who are just kids hanging around pestering The booker t. m. g. for time to play and steve cropper One point you know you don't you guys just don't have it but they didn't listen and kept coming back and and either they record the song we're gonna plant show soul finger. Which is instrumental was here in. You can tell us about soul finger in the bar now assault finger. The breakout hit by the arqes. A young band on the cusp of greatness. Who would go on to great modified form in the seventies but tragedy. Strikes of redding takes them on his road band. But because these kids are in high school and started college he wants to get him home On monday mornings fresh so he buys plane toward together not not as a frontman. He didn't do like james brown. Where james brown in the drummer. James brown and whoever he wants tim date and the rest of the band is on the bus autists in a band or on this little playing together and it very quickly And tragedy tell us about that tragic events and the great lakes so so gorgeous with neighborhood. Kids voters i mean literally like from the stacks neighborhood Emulating serpentine the jeez and otis tears. Them in a local club and just can't believe their energy and and brings them on. There's actually video. We show one of the songs in its entirety in the stacks records documentary thirty six hours so they go wanna last weekend has boyce issue. He comes back. He records dr bay and all these songs and he's got like three weeks in the studio normally they'd have to catch otis for like three hours in the studio but because he's been is insane he's it doesn't have the tour book he's just just spilling out with all these songs and great new sounds On a friday and says See all monday. You know they go to. Let's see they go to national. Then they go to cleveland. And in cleveland they record. Tv we see this great. Three songs said or to sunset of otis backed by the young markes. These kids are babies you know and they are so full of energy and they're standing so still just remarkable not so still but you know they're they're banging it out so casually it's like if already got all the confidence in the world and then get on it. They do a gig that night. They get on a plane to go to Madison wisconsin editing next morning. Yeah and it's Bitterly cold and the pilot doesn't have experience in that kind of rather where over water apparently the controls respond differently over water and that kind of cold and coming down and cloud cover the. Just miss miss the runway left. He thought he was at the runway and he wasn't were down the lake and And there's a great a great interview with the sole survivor of the plane crash The player ben collie one of the young kids in the bar case. So it's own the pilot valet. And i think were three or four at a bar. Cade you got a list. Your jimmy king age eighteen guitarist carl cunningham eighteen drummer belan jones aged nineteen saxophonist. Ronnie caldwell aged nineteen organised matthew. Kelly age seventeen ballet richard frazier age twenty six pilot otis redding age twenty six star and i. I can't help breakout up. Every it kills me right. i ride in. That section was unbelievably draining now. Just even talking about a those lives cut short is just really hard to get around you. Know and anders yes. You're remove in the springtime of their lives and getting to show flowers. Yeah otis has stock in the bay in the studio not yet released and you just you know. It's so much like sam. Cook his mentor. And it's sort of like you know. Choose your heroes carefully. Because his fate intertwined so much with sam cooke just as he peaks just as he matures as an artist and breaks a star. He's taken from Booker t's has something in the forward that i think is important to remember. And that he says. When i reached the account of otis redding plane crash i realized i had arrived at the belly of the book emotion brimming. I wanted to call robert. Not that i had anything particular. Say i just wanted to hear his voice I thought it would understand what i was feeling. A sense of loss for the whole world And from memphis but he says but the older wiser booker knows to be thankful for the time spent with them and minimize regrets as much as possible by thinking. The happy times and that i think is a great place to end. This episode is just to be thankful for the happy times. I mean you know we can be sad that we didn't get to hear what the bark as could do. I mean and this was a hot young abandoned me comparable. I think the collins brothers to what they would do the jp's with james brown and eb literally just played without us. And james brown at the apollo and these kids are gonna their bandmates went on to become a huge part of the funk. Revolution of the seventies artist is just luminous an artist. But fuck man. 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XXL episode paying tribute to Sam Cooke and Otis Redding episode; Fixing the college football playoffs; James Harden and player empowerment

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XXL episode paying tribute to Sam Cooke and Otis Redding episode; Fixing the college football playoffs; James Harden and player empowerment

"World is four in entertaining and provocative look into the world of sports and beyond off. Please please go over to apple. is students in reading. Reviews your feedback as well. How the host of the program from the washington dc metropolitan area wind down waller's darling. You honest real. Ooh ooh at first. I thought it was now. I find myself marry antique you home. A carolina know with and walk. the window. world is sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad you could be with us a lot of things to discuss today. In the world of sports day otis redding sam cooke tribute podcast. I might say college football. I'm going to be talking about some basketball. We'll be talking about. Georgetown hoyas to be talking about james harden. I'm gonna be talking about. There's gonna be a this is going to be podcast. I'm going to be talking about sports. No doubt about it. But as i'm recording this on december tenth and the year twenty twenty today marks the fifty seventh and fifty third anniversary of the tragic ends to both sam cooke in otis redding two guys who were not only going to be changing the ways a music also changing the ways of society. They were starting to do what they were on the pathways to their on the avenues to go ahead and do that but their lives were cut tragically short so to a my greatest heroes. Shall we say historical heroes. Sally say i've always said that. You know what when. I finally go to heaven whenever that's going to be and i get reunited with my dad and reunited with my mom and go see my family members who already up in heaven and get introduced for the i turn to my grandparents and i want to go ahead and say man. I want to hear bar with the king. And i want to hear malcolm x speak. I wanna see the eight hundred and forty four three match between joe frazier and mohammed ali. I'm gonna jack johnson fight rocky marciano. I want go ahead in the hba that the heavenly basketball association i wanna see kobe bryant and wilt chamberlain's team and len bias. His team and hank gathers team. I want to see what they're doing there. I see what team john thompson is going to be. Coaching or read. Arabic is going to be coaching. I want to go ahead and go see the football games between john united team and why he titiles team and ernie davis is team. I'm going to do all that type of stuff man. I'm to go ahead. And i want to hear a concert by prince and michael jackson and donny. Hathaway curtis mayfield. Go ahead and see if a policy of pockets up there or down there also want to go see a concert when it goes against our do rule again so when i get to heaven there's gonna be a lot of things on my agenda since have all eternity. I'm not going to be in any kind of rush. But two of the things that i met you before that i want to go and i just want to have the opportunity as man give someone. Please introduced me to otis redding and sam cook so i can bow down because those guys have You know there there. There are ways their education their commitment to their craft and everything that they did in the time period that they did. It has a really inspired me from that that level. There'd be two people who have really aspired me to go ahead and do some things. So i'm definitely at the end of the podcast gonna go ahead and talk about that. It's all of my music. Today is going to be sam. Cook and otis redding and there's going to be live in terms of not getting anything as far as the recording that the music are concerned. Nothing the album's in terms of studio version. Everything's gonna be live. Got some stuff from monterey with all this stuff from whiskey a go go. With the oldest. I got something all the time. Same coke did his show live at the harlem club down in florida so those are the type of things that i'm going to be doing today. Man i'm getting pumped already on rip roaring radio much before there's certain dates i wanna do my podcast and term the doing the dates introduce you to some things that really touched me len bias. I always do a june nineteenth. June twenty first Podcasts because my childhood hero glenn by his passing at the time and what we want to get my special dedication to that. I'm talking about when malcolm x. Was assassinated in some of the three things with he did. I wanna go ahead and give my special dedication on a podcast to that. So there's certain dates. Were i'm just going to say. Hey man this podcast. Yeah that'd to be talking about sports. Because that's what i do. That's what i love to do. That's my therapy especially in these times of the pandemic and some of the things that were not able to do because of the pandemic showing you know still sitting in the house all day not being able to see my mom being able see mary beautiful. Wonderful fantastic magnificent godchild. Sydney davis kangol back east to visit my brother. Mikhail davis or again though. See my mom so you know. These are the type of therapeutic things that i like to do and today is just been kind of a a day where it's been something of reflection putting together and Playing a lot of music by oldest and sam thinking in watching a lot of watching youtube clips but it fills my heart with joy. We'll be the sadness when once again looking at the the articles about their passing watching some I mean there's a wonderful Documentary about sam. Cook on net flicks. That i watched the bbc show about otis redding that i watched so today. It's been a it's been a good day. It's been a solid day is learning day you know with the mind. The heart is all been touched and different ways and this is just the icing on the cake to go ahead and take my thoughts. Then there's take my feelings and my opinions about two of the greatest people who really touched me and influence be outside. Of course my family and my immediate family of friends and talk about the two musicians from the nineteen sixties. Meant to me and how. I'm using them to try to better myself. In how just by their music i mean. They weren't politicians. They weren't kings. They weren't a monarchs. They want anything like that. They were two new stations. One from maton georgia the other one born in clarksdale mississippi muzi chicago illinois. What they did in terms of moving the society ever so briefly in the right direction was magnificent. What's extraordinary especially in a time period. Which they had to do it. And it's their their their presence in their Impact is still being still being felt today. So are the things that i'm gonna talk about near the end of my podcasts. At the end of my podcast because as we know before this is a sports podcast called one world sports. What's your host yours. Truly the wall is bowls you. Bonsoir monsieur mezuza. Jim appel under wallace windows. rogan skate. positive amigos mianwali wonderwall wendell roldan sports neon nama stay windows world in sports. I'm your host wonderwall glad that you could be with us. Wasserman my brothers and sisters. When does world sports. Your host wonder wallace so glad that you could be with us shalom kuni. Sheila wendell's world and sports. I'm your host wonder. Wallace love peace happiness unity understanding education intelligence. Let's see what we can do moving forward in that direction. All right so oh let me get head. Start with this college football here. In the racist ignorant selfish states of america aka united states of america. What are the form of talented teams in college. Football might not be able to play in the college football playoffs because of a technicality. Rights sure on a wink. Wink wink tuesday. Michigan announced the annual rivalry between the buckeyes and the michigan wolverines. Ohio state buckeyes in michigan. Wolverines have been cancelled. There was an increase of covid nineteen cases over the past week within the michigan football program. The decision was made after conversations with medical experts. Health department officials in the university administration so michigan's chief medical officer. Some guy named darrell conway. On tuesday wouldn't specify how many players have tested positive or how many players were in contract contact tracing but he said that the wolverines did not fall in the red red threshold. That would require the big ten to pause activities for the program. The the worst michigan's down to forty five players from their one hundred and ten men roster or they're down forty five players from their one hundred and ten man roster so what we're looking at seventy five players. You guys can go ahead and play ohio state with seventy five layers. Y'all is gonna get your ass kicked anyway. Oakland plate with one hundred ten two hundred twenty three hundred and thirty five hundred fifty point man only gonna beat the ohio state buckeyes the way. They're playing in the way your plan. I understand. i understand if michigan especially if you're a player from michigan and all the turmoil swirling around and we don't know what's going to be going on with jim harbaugh and the disappointing season in the realization. If you're a player and look when you're eighteen to twenty two year old two year old and football has been your life for your existence and that's probably one of the most important thing that you're doing in your life so far and everybody had dreams and goals of aspirations of going to the nfl that you know what any time i can get on the field and play football. I'm young of strong invincible. I can go ahead cove schmo vit- hey you know what i've read the ninety nine percent survive and all this kind of nonsense. I'm willing to take a chance so if you're eighteen to twenty two year old and you're a player. Hey man i can understand the fact that you know what i have backed down all the speculation that the wolverines were You know were trying for an escape skirt. The play ohio state. And i don't believe that for second bully. Jim harbaugh runs away from anything. I think king kong was in the ring fighting and he was in the rain. He'd go out there. Swinging any of the michigan players were backing down from an opportunity to go ahead and play the biggest game of the year their biggest opponent of the year and again if you have the mindset of trying to the an nfl player what better way to show them tape. What better way to impress. Scouts to play well against one of the best teams in the country so ever all of that swirling around. I don't think that as far from a football standpoint point players coaches that they were. The ones who had say is whether we play or not. They didn't have the deciding Say in whether michigan was the player hieaux state this saturday. This was administrative decision. And there's no fans in the stands in very few standards in the fans stay in seoul the financial impact that would have would be minimal because of everything that's going down so there's no game this coming saturday not a. m. pacific standard time between ohio state and michigan. What does the cancellation then mean to ohio state. At the time that michigan said no with this because ohio state had played only five games told the season and under the threshold put forth number number now under the threshold under the rules. Laws and regulations put forth by the big ten conference. It says to in the conference championship game that there will have to be a minimum of six games that you would have to play to qualify for the championship. Game northwestern was like six plots. We're ready to go in. ohio state. Had five so it was like well then shouldn't be indiana because of ohio state get a game by december nineteen th or december. Yeah december nineteenth. Which is in two weeks which is only two weekends from now. They're eligible to play in the conference championship game right. I mean you guys set it right here. I mean you guys put pen to paper on meanest there for everybody to see right the rule states that you might play six games qualify for the championship game under the unless the average numbers of game played throughout the conference fall below six so this was a situation where of the big ten didn't wanna teammate. Maryland or rutgers or michigan state. Go three ohio state loses a game. They play all their games and go eight seven one but then they were like well. You know because maryland records michigan state or one of those lesser tier. Schools only played three games and because a covert and everything else that they decided to Ended at three day should be in the championship game because the team that has gone undefeated is better than the team that has won loss even if that team only play three games compared to a team that played eight games so that was a measure put in by the athletic directors on the big ten conference to make sure something like that didn't happen. But what what they weren't kelly gone and during the pandemic were everybody said knew anything about this pandemic but said that during the season during the fall season that the numbers were going to go up because of the weather change and everything like that. Why the big ten to go ahead and put in something like this is beyond me but then again we're speaking about the the big ten but then again we're speaking about ohio state and when you have that situation you knew that once. It came down. That michigan canceled. His game against ohio. State in ohio state wasn't gonna have a another opponent to play. You knew that the battalion we're going to rectify that situation. So you know the woods in terms of what day within a couple of days ago. A situation where the big ten officially changed his policy. That teams must play six games to be eligible for the conference championship. Game which means on december nineteenth six days before christmas in indianapolis the number four. Ohio state buckeyes will face north western. So the conference made the announcement wednesday afternoon after his administrative council. Set you all. The athletic directors and senior women administrators voted to eliminate the minimum requirements in collaboration with the big ten council of presidents. and chancellors. she. Yeah surprise surprise. The number four buckeyes again will take on northwestern. December nineteenth by default indiana. Who was right number twelve. They would have been the big ten east representative in the championship. Game even though indiana law to ohio state on november twenty first forty two thirty five terrible for the big ten again. How much more can we say that this when we're speaking about the conference games when we're speaking about the conferences itself especially when we're speaking about the power five conference is all about money. Nothing new nothing surprising. Nothing all inspiring nothing. Columbus discovered america type. This is all about money putting the big putting up ohio state in the championship game. It wasn't even necessary. Four ohio state to do if anything. What the commission should have done was save. Their skin. Save their save their character. Try to carry on with the facade with the forest that you really do give a damn a little bit about your quote unquote student athletes. You should look. This is the rule. This is what happened. I'm sorry indiana is gonna be playing against northwestern and it really doesn't make a difference because guess what still at five would have been eligible to be in the college football playoff number four team after everything is all said and done. It really didn't matter if ohio state game or not because a a florida in the sec championship game beats alabama then the fourteenth that are gonna begin regardless of what happened in the acc championship. Game between clemson notre dame the fourteenth. Then if florida beats alabama and the championship game conference championship game before. Teams is going to be notre dame. Clemson florida and alabama so really. It's almost out of ohio state's hands whether they down if they lose in the championship game northwestern than the really screwed. And then let's take a look at all of the animus in all of the naked tippety and all of the. What the hell you were doing that was. That's going to coming the big ten's way in the big ten conference communities if that happens because it should have been also don't just let bygones be bygones safe face. Save your dignity. Have indiana played north western northwestern in indiana. The winner of that game was going to be going to the college football playoff. They weren't going to jump. Ohio state even with ohio state. Being playing only five games. Indiana already lost to ohio states or whether they won the conference championship and not make any different thing. We're going sneak in. And i know for the representatives council the chancellor's and the administrators and the public director of the big ten. I mean this is just something where they look north west. You don't have a chance. He gets ohio state. We put ohio state in. They beat them pretty soundly. Pretty convincingly pretty handily shows that we're one of the best teams in college football which we all agree. We all agree here. That ohio state is the best team at at worst in the country right so this is just something to cement that fact for the college football committee college football playoff committee. So we'll go ahead and do that. Which means for me. As much as i love ohio state man i would love to see northwestern ohio just would love to do it so get. It doesn't make any difference. The top ten teams in the college. Football playoff rankings. At compile every tuesday was a different a couple of days ago. Alabama was still number one. Notre dame was still number. Two clinton was still number. Three ohio state was still number four. What the hell college football playoff selection committee chaired great. Bola guess what he serves. As as iowa's athletic director it's mandated that five of the thirteen members of the committee of the college. Football playoff committee are acting. Ad's at the power five conference schools. So guess what. The playoff chairman. It's a guy is a member of the big ten conference. You really think five that they were going to screw ohio state out if everything's copacetic in terms of regardless of what happens with the acc championship. Game between clemson and norton. Notre dame and florida beats of alabama. Florida what you really think what's going to happen next selection committee because because ohio state played five games when you all of a sudden. Now they're going to replace them with cincinnati iowa state oklahoma coastal carolina texas. Am no of course. Not of course not afford ohio state. The selection committee wanted so again. Why the big ten will go ahead and do these shenanigans in terms of eliminating something. A rule that they put in is beyond me. He clearly is a no win. Situation of ohio state wins good. Not like i mean if they go and play they move up. Maybe it's a situation. Where if clemson blows out notre dame or vice versa. Notre dame blows out clemson in ohio state. Whoops up on north western. I mean maybe then there's a situation where ohio state could move to number three and avoid playing alabama until the championship game. But i don't have if i'm any one of those teens one of the blue bloods or d. Recent college football elite speaking of ohio state clemson in alabama in terms of the fourteenth. That's the playoffs right now. You would think normally within the last. I don't know six seven years that you would want the played notre dame and the college football playoffs but the notre dame is the the sanctuary this. Hr middle school brothers notre dame football team. I mean this. Wake up the irish nuke rodney. The era are seeking the joe. Theismann ties have been type of teams at ohio at notre dame but god they're more than capable. I don't know anybody really is anybody's capable in terms of the teams that i just mentioned to beat alabama but even if you think notre dame with the fourth best team out of those four schools that i just mentioned those four football programs that i just mentioned the four football teams as of the day which i just mentioned notre dame you feel is fourth behind clemson ohio state in alabama the gap between the third best team of the foursome. And the fourth. Best team is not that significant in terms of alabama shouldn't be destined in the street like martha they and the bengals. They shouldn't be destined on the ceiling. Light lionel richie. If clemson beat notre dame in notre dame false number four in alabama does what they need to do and then that semi final matchup is between the number one ranked alabama crimson tide and the number four. Ring a notre dame fighting irish alabama fans. I'm telling you all right now in. Montgomery i'm telling you right now in birmingham. I'm telling you right now in tuscaloosa. Hey man don't be up there this and the gig because that's that that notre dame team and ain't no joke they ain't no joke so regardless it's going to be an interesting playoff game. It's going to be an interesting playoff series. That community members know that the television exempts know that. Espn knows that. So of course you want. The most recognizable teams there clemson elite alabama. We know about their their their the presence in states in the in the southeastern conference area in the communities and we know how huge notre dame is so is like those three you know they want those three number four course. I wanna have the t- that's most significant india. Upper north part of the racist states of america. The selfish states of america the ignorance states of america. Of course you want to have ohio state in there but you think they're going to be trying to find some way to put in texas. Am they'll try to find some way to put in again. If alabama beat follower. You think the committee is up there trying to find ways to see what they can do. As far as i stated they win the big twelve championship no once. Oklahoma lost their two games at the beginning of the season. I mean they were done for the most part. Less complete. chaos happened in. Didn't always get in there. The blue bloods always have the preferential treatment. So that's the reason. Ohio state again. I don't understand why the big ten but go ahead and make that decision but tastes larussa. Wendell's world sports. I'm your host window. Wallace glad that you could be with us. This is the second conference speaking about the big ten to manipulate the rules for the betterment of their best teams to make the playoffs. If you remember last week the acc cancelled clemson and notre dame final regular season games to ensure the acc championship. Game would have two of the top four or five teams in the country or two of the top four teams in the country ensuring that not just one but two teams. We get into the college football playoffs because remember. It's all about the money. Many money playoff pays each power conference. Sixty six million per year plus an additional six million to teague if the league gets a member school in to the fourteen field. So yeah man. It's all about money. It's all about the situation again. I think is sort of a risk for ohio state to be have given a waiver given a pass get out of jail free card for them to play in the big ten championship. When you have the chairman of the colorful maybe just to save face. Maybe this is a way for this ridiculous cook selection committee who by the way. Can you think of another team sport in the world. I don't care where in the world you're talking about. I don't care if it's banned couvert. I don't care if it's in toronto. I care if in capetown south africa. I don't care if as in bangladesh and don't care of this in kung kung kung comfort kong. Good cook a good cook. I don't care if it's in anywhere. japan hong kong. I don't care where it is. Have you ever heard of a team sport. Where of the playoffs are decided by a selection committee. Could you imagine the nfl doing that. Let's take the best teams and we'll have a bunch of football coach. Decided who the top four teams are could imagine that in the nba. They decided who the top five or eight or twelve teams in each conference. Can you imagine that in the nfl. You mentioned that in the nhl. Could you imagine that anywhere in the foodball leagues all across the european countries where they would have a selection committee. Go ahead and make your choice to ahead. Made the selection go ahead and decide who the top. Four teams are regardless. Mainly of your record in. How'd you did ridiculous ridiculous but that's that's college football so here we are ohio. State northwestern. Five or no versus north western. Rules have been changed. Let's see let's see if it works this song except one saying something only right. Todd you bed when the world is sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad you could be with us. Oh man what could have been what could have been for our society. What could have been for the music industry what could have been for certain neighborhoods but could have been for certain communities could have been what could have been will could have been the story of sam. Cooke the story of otis redding fifty three years ago fifty seven years ago today december tenth. They're passing if you really wanna be technical about a shame. Said was shot and killed the morning of december eleventh but in december tenth december eleventh. I'm recording this. On a tentative will be published later on tonight. You'll be hearing it all the eleventh same thing say doggone thing but as i mentioned before going to be getting into Their stories and special education podcast for those guys for those legends. For those hall of famers. Otis redding sam cooke be talking about them as i mentioned before a little bit later wrong on the podcast man i am pumped for this podcast. I got my next forty eight hours that my first forty eight hours on a and e. c. that the los angeles rams are whipping up on the new england patriots. Cam newton has been replaced by jerry. Still drink my green juice. Today had a pretty good meal had a pretty day. Stay indoors really. Didn't duly things so I'm rip roaring pumped and ready to go when those world is sports. I'm near host. Wonder wallace glad you could be with us. So we're speaking about the college football playoffs. We were speaking about ohio state. Big ten gamble. I guess to save face to go ahead and to Kind of solidify. Ohio state getting that number four spot number the number three spot in the college football playoffs despite the fact that they weren't eligible to play in the big ten championship because they only played five games. The big ten committee members. And whoever else decided you know what screw it and we six was minimum the plane the big ten championship game bola. We'll let ohio state in the second. Best team is indiana ohio state. Beat them earlier this year. So you know case around. It really wasn't their fall. I mean ohio state illinois. they canceled on on maryland. Cancelled on a michigan canceled on them because of covert relate related issues. So it wasn't a situation where ohio state was manipulating the system for then for for them to get the easy route so we'll just. We'll just go ahead and do that. Throw this shit up against the wall and see if things. I made the point with all the manipulations. That's going on starting off with the. Acc i just don't understand why the sec doesn't say you know what the sec championship game was cancelled alabama. You're just going to be named the conference champion. Go on and now the reason why they don't do that is because best case scenario really the best case scenario for the s. e. c. alabama lose in the championship. Game the florida. That way you could get to school from the sec into the college football championship till you would have to school from the sec. To school from the acc. So i can understand why the sec is not gonna go ahead and cancel that championship game. I don't i just don't understand. Why the big ten. Go ahead and make this rule change when even at fiber no. I would suggest where i would guess. That ohio state would be in the college football playoff but i talked about that in the first segment. So you wanna go ahead and listen to that again. Be my guest. But i want to talk about the nonsense. The fraud that college football has become year after year after year. When dealing with these college football player the biggest nonsense that we get from those in charge about why college football the best board the planet. But you always get the same bullshit. We always get to say manson nonsense. Hey this is the best regular season in all sports. Every regular season game has the meeting and it's meaningful the nba. They play all. These games are meaningless in sixteen sixteen teams in the playoffs in football you x. amount of teams in the nhl. Everything else the buddhist league and everything else you get all these teams to the playoffs in college. Football at the only sport where you have miniscule amount of teams in the playoffs the which means it puts more emphasis on the college football regular season. Which is fucking nonsense because guess what the college football playoffs is an exclusive club which only a few members are eligible or actually get in there of the twenty four playoff spots during the season during no coming into the season. Seventeen those spots for the college football playoffs the four Spots seventeen of those have been filled by just four schools. Four when you speaking about ohio state clinton alabama in oklahoma so the two thousand four playoff spots seventeen of the had been filled by clinton ohio state and oklahoma throughout the years. Since the start of the four team. Playoff system in twenty fourteen alabama. Alabama's made it five five times. Five of the six playoffs missed last season for the first time clinton has made the playoffs. The last five season ohio state has made it. Three times oklahoma's four times. So where is this inclusion. Where was just the regular season is so important and everybody has chance worth worth nonsense. Where's that where's the fruition. Is the evidence of that. If you take a look at the other seven schools have been in the playoffs. You take a look. There was oregon michigan state florida state and james winston winston years washington georgia and made it twice in lsu the whole thing last year other than that. Welcome to the alabama clemson ohio state oklahoma invitatinal the current rankings hole for this season. They'll be no first time playoff entrance. This season and the group will have clinton twenty of the twenty eight alternate spots again. When you're speaking about clemson. Oklahoma ohio state in alabama. It's i mean unless let's be real here. Let me really hear teams. Cincinnati teams byu team like coastal carolina. They're never getting in if your school outside the power five conference. You have no chairs. None zero zip doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how many losses the other schools have the power five conferences. It doesn't matter. Cincinnati was never getting into the playoffs. Never denver byu even though they lost to coastal giving them their first loss of the season. They it matter they were never getting into the playoffs. Culture carolina wonderful story. He picked to finish lad believed in our undefeated. Who gives a fuck it. Don't matter what does it mean. It doesn't mean anything what you get the opportunity to play in a new year six bowl bid fucking deal and look up a successful football program college football program. I understand the impact of if you have a really successful athletic department head headed by its basketball or football department specially football. We understand that you know what this season for cincinnati. It's gonna help. Overall the university enrollment as going is going to go up. It gets the name university of cincinnati out there when you play on television and you have thirty second minute info commercials that promo commercial where you can go ahead and you can show your campus. You can go ahead and get the plug. I understand how important it is and even if people are talking about how cincinnati it's getting screwed and this is no good and this is terrible and what we're gonna do. Hey at least. At least cincinnati has been brought up in conversation where most people are tuning into the program. Listen and talk about it here about the blue bloods here about the alabama's in the ohio states in the clemson's in notre dame's and the texas a m's in the floor of the world so within half an hour an hour on a on a program. Cincinnati mentioned that. Let's free advertising free publicity so yes in one sense i get it financially. It's quite it's been shown when you have a strong football program when you have a strong basketball program depending upon what region of the country that you're in i mean sure iowa gets a lot of juice gets a lot about extra income in terms of people who are interested in the university and enrollment and everything. I am quite sure that the wrestling program that they have their plays a big role. The same thing with the wrestling program and won't at oklahoma state. Same thing with the lacrosse team over syracuse. Same thing with the college with the softball program over at ucla. And who else is good. No oklahoma those in those schools depending upon what region you're in so yeah. I can unwound regard. Hey you know what there is. Some advantages four cincinnati being undefeated but in the other part of it is just the hypocrisy of these college. Football folks. sit there and talk about how wonderful and how glorious and how fantastic that the regular season is and then you have no shot whatsoever no matter what you do. Cincinnati could have beaten every team that they played two hundred nothing and the woman who made the difference. They weren't going to get past alabama. They were going to get past ohio state. I don't care about how stable the play two games this year. cincinnati would never go into leapfrogged them and become That team that that was really serious. Stuff is going to be a serious contender for the selection committee. The put it a top four. They were never going be ahead of clemson. they're never going to be ahead of north carolina. They're never gonna be ahead if they did when they should have done. Cincinnati would never gonna be ahead of georgia. There will never go ahead of florida. They were never going to be ahead of texas am. If lsu had some type of semblance of a team that won the national championship they were never going to be put ahead of them. In terms of playoff. Seedings never gonna happen amid major school a school for the non power. Five conferences are never going to get in and these clowns can sit up here until they're blue in the face about. That's not true that true that true the evidence shows that is true. There's never been a situation latina from the non power five conference championship. Byu back in nineteen four. How long ago was that lots. So how in the world can you sit there with a straight face and talking about how wonderful the system is when you know that eighty percent of the schools right off the bat. The regular season in terms of trying to get themselves into a position to win. A national championship is meaningless game the other day between byu coastal carolina. Fantastic wonderful great awesome. I didn't watch it. You know why didn't watch it. Because i knew the game was nothing more than exhibition. It meant nothing coulter. Carolina wins become undefeated. Big fucking deal dislike most central florida a couple of years ago. Scott frost before. He took his talents. Coaching talents to nebraska. Where they were talking about. Oh yeah i mean real national champions. We'll play alabama. Ha were undefeated. It don't mean shit big term in terms of playoffs and championships real championships. So for me when people talk about half the schools maryland could've done undefeated they get naan. Rutgers could a gun undefeated they ain't getting in washington state could undefeated. I'm talking about normal years. In normal years now a little different because schools the pac twelve started differently and play a certain amount of games in the big ten team to play certain amount of games but in a normal season in a normal regular season. You really think. Mississippi state had the chance to get into the ncaa play offs. Do they really have a chance to make the top four for real. I doubt it. I highly doubt it. Mississippi state mississippi georgia tech. They're not getting in maryland or to state they're not getting in so it's a really school lucid club and these guys for the most part they wanna see homa they wanna see texas they wanna see notre dame they wanna see clinton they wanna see ohio state they wanna see michigan they wanna see florida they wanna see florida state they wanna see. Usc they wanna see oregon. They wanna see those type of schools. Get him and they'll do mostly everything possible. Because when they do the selection committee these ged you know what the processes in terms of trying to figure out how they come up with the top four teams in the country. I have no fucking idea. Are we talking about this. Based on talent. Are we just talking about schedule. Are we talking about the ranking. Are we talking about individual talents. Are we talking about past. Success in the playoffs are we. What are we talking about here. What are baramula now. The committee will sit there and say well we take all of those things in consideration. Yeah but which one is more important than the other which one weighs heavily more than the other one i mean. Are we speaking about. Because you can't sit there and say well you know we take a local. We take a look at the games and we take a look at. Who's playing well. And he's doing this and the other if you do that. How can can you judge how good ohio state is. Based on only five fucking games will play really one halfway decent it. How can you compare how ohio state is. Compared to say for instance tonight was dayton played. I don't know what nine ten eleven games or of texas you know or a florida. Well texas them there the question because they lost to alabama and he lost to them decisively. Okay but haven't they gotten better throughout the year. And how do you know if they're better than ohio. State wales playing out. Because they haven't played in a while so we don't know how much in the russ factor goes on here. And how much if they did play. Ohio state looks sloppy. Because they haven't played in a while. Start off slow and everything dad and they just get by northwestern but say for instance florida takes alabama to double overtime before losing. I mean how do you make that. How do you go ahead and say well obviously than ohio state deserve the be deserves to be the number fourteen based on what based on what florida will a loss twice. Yeah but it seems to me by taking a look at those two teams. You could honestly make the point that during that week. That florida was the better football team. Even though they lost to the best football team in the country. I mean if notre dame goes ahead and puts on another classic against clemson in winds and alabama struggles against florida. I mean it's just a foregone conclusion that dangerous still gonna be number two in alabama still gonna be number one. What's the selection committee. What is the break down to. What are we talking about. Are you watching film. Are you guys breaking down film. I mean do you guys have coaches or consultants or somebody in there who can take a look at these positions who can take a look at these schemes. Who can take a look at all the stuff and say based on what. I'm seeing here based on what i'm seeing. They're based on what i'm saying from special teams based on what i'm seeing from the defense based on what. I'm seeing backups. Based on everything that comes down. This is a situation where i think fifteen better than that team. That team is better than these teams. Though teams are better than than than them teams. Can we go ahead and make that assertion based on what based on what before i used to have these old ex coaches who would come in here and somehow that would make us feel better because then we no one would know better who the best teams in football or. If you've speaking about guys like tom osborne who's a hall of famer won. a boatload. A game and barry alvarez would be coaching football for four or five decades and tyrone willingham and all these type of guys who were coaches and they voted these high profile programs and they let thirteen for these bowls. And those balls these high rankings. And all of this manuchehr lois this blabber and elaborate all of this nonsense but i always used to say how closely if we're speaking about guys like tom. Osborne wasn't he wasn't he a politician and we didn't have a main job that he can do. What the last time. Tom osborne coach the team. There's a lot of time. Guess what these old coaches who did all of their work and you're doing great work in the eighties. How do they know what's going on in terms of what's happening in college. Football the trends and everything that's happening in the year. Twenty thirteen two thousand fourteen. Two thousand fifteen twenty sixteen. I mean hell back in the day. When todd won't do anything he was born in the fucking wishbone and now we're going to sit here and we're going to ask him to see you know with these spread offenses and all of these new ways of playing football and everything. How much has he been connected with college football so we can go ahead and make accurate assessment. And that's just okay. Well that's good enough for me. I don't know who's making these calls. I don't know what the criteria is. I just don't and you don't in. No one else does except for those people in the room. I tell you. I would have more faith in terms of trying to figure out who the four best teams in college football. I would rather have a folks in vegas. I would rather have the sportsbook directors in vegas. Tell us who the four best teams in college. Football are more than the four guys boarding than the guys that are sitting in this committee discussing. Who the discussing who. The four best teams are in college football. I bet you the sharks in vegas energy. They know much much more about this than those clowns sitting in the sitting in the committee meetings deal with this type of stuff so. It's just absolutely ridiculous. Wendell's world of sports podcast. I'm your host. Win the wallace so glad that you could be with us again. The most ridiculous way of having a playoff. I just i mentioned it in the first segment. Nate name a sport anywhere college pro pro anywhere name me a team sport where the playoffs are decided by committee members who don't give us an outline of how they come up with the four teams well before best teams are Never deemed clemson alabama an ohio state. Yeah no shit. Sherlock can fucking figure that house every together. We don't need them. You guys have committee meetings in all of this stuff for our our. What are you guys. Need to talk about. What changed so differently from this week from last week to this week. Let me see here. Let me see clinton one notre dame won alabama. One am no high state. They beat michigan state. Okay so what are we going to talk about here. All i know we gotta put in. You know who's the who are the number six to number ten teams the number eleven fifteen and number twenty teen in all of this nonsense. Who comes in at number twenty four and that huge debate that we've gotta have between which team where should we put coastal carolina and. Let's see let's match them up against iowa state or let's talk about them concerning. Oh i don't know another team out there or usc some nonsense like that. I mean very very important that we spend forty five minutes to selling exactly. Where does usc fall. As far as the rankings are concerned well should. We put them number. Nineteen will maybe should we put them at number twenty three. That's really going to say a lot especially in a year like this when you have ballgames dropping left and right canceling left and right because of the pandemic who gives a flying fuck about teams basically ten to twenty five. Who cares who cares you. Cincinnati gives a fuck you think cincinnati really cares. You think texas really cares. They don't what does it mean if cincinnati finishes number seven or number. Eleven don't mean nothing. They're still playing for the championship. They're not making the big four. they're not going to be in the college football playoffs. What they get to go to the sugar bowl or they get to the orange bowl and cotton bowl great wonderful before those players for ios student athletes. It means jack shit means nothing. So it's idle neum it's again. It's it's an absolute joke for me for me. If i was running the college football playoff system of other college athletics. If i was running college football again. I will have not been telling this. I've been saying this for over. I don't know i've been saying this for about eight or nine years man. If i was running the college football playoffs i would have in eighteen. Playoff where each champion from the power five conference would automatically be eligible to get in and then we would have three while cards and those wall cars would be based off a system. You know you put in the rankings and you put in the did take a look at the different polling or whatever like that. That's the best way to do it. That the take it out completely in terms of the the nonsensical way of how playoff should be determined. No because you're still going to have three teams based on you know who based on numbers and all of this kind of stuff but it's very easy schools from the big ten pac twelve. Sec acc and big ten big twelve. Whatever i said the whoever wants that conference championship they're all medically eligible for the playoffs. I don't give a damn if the pac twelve sucks and don't give a damn if the big ten down. I don't i don't care i don't care if the sec has four great teams that deserve to be in there. I don't care that's the way it works. Nowhere beauity no questions. None of that nonsense because again. I don't know how these guys come up with the four five best teams in the country. This way pretty clear in the Those are the rules. That's the way it goes down and much as it's bogus as much as as nonsensical as much as humorous as much as its head-scratching as much as it's i rolling head shaking. How bad the. Nfc least is guess what it's a conference. So whoever was that conference whether they finished sixteen or five and eleven. It doesn't matter because of the rules stating that a champion from this conference goes into the playoff. There is no like oh. I can't believe this. This is bullshit this is wrong. This is outrageous math. We can shake our head. But we're never gonna say all the situation where i mean. I've heard some people talk about a conference champion. Finish eighty eight or then finish at least five hundred that they shouldn't be eligible for the playoffs. That's that bullshit. I will say this. I think a conference champion finishes below five hundred that they shouldn't have a i a home field for the first round. That is the wildcard. From for instance the afc south is had the better record from than the afc Western conference champion. That those those two teams can still meet but they'll be meeting on the home field of the wildcard team because the while cartoon even though they didn't win the division has a better record than the team that won the conference division. And i'll go for that. But i'll never go for a situation where you know like i that this season when the nfc east was at his lowest that you know. There's some someway somehow that we should not have any of those teams go for the big qualified for the playoffs. That's nonsense but that's that's the way it goes and that's a much better system. I think everybody would agree. Wouldn't you agree. Wouldn't you agree when you agree. Would you agree that having that system is much better than say for instance that we're going to have a selection committee for the for the afc for the nfc and we're just gonna go ahead and pick the top four teams so for instance. We're going to go ahead and pick from the afc. The selection committee together. They broke down. The xs and os may watch the replays from fifteen different angles than we saw this game. Fifteen different times from fifteen different angles and we used our vast background experience of being ex football coaches and working with the nfl. And in some type of coaches you pass and we're going to go ahead and based on our thoughts and our feelings in our discussions hours upon hours in the weeks after weeks of trying to discuss who the best teams in the. Afc we're going to come up with the pittsburgh steelers we're gonna come up with the kansas. Love defending shembe owns. We're gonna come up with the cleveland browns and we're gonna come up with the i don't know who else is out there. And we're gonna come up with the indianapolis colts. Let's just a team out there. Those are gonna be our top for now if pittsburgh goes ahead and loses next week the drop them to eleven and then all of a sudden pittsburgh then might drop out of the top four teams and if kids are city blows out that blows out their team but they're playing that's just going to be able to solidify them at the number one ranked team but hold on for a second. You never know because just right outside at the tennessee titans who were eliminated from the top. Four teams in the afc. Because they lost to the cleveland browns and law to them in horrible fashion so they were ranked number three or number four in the pro football playoff. Committee's top for tv to make the playoffs. They will ahead in lost at home to the cleveland. Browns will then they fall completely from number three all the way down and maybe number seven or eight. I mean how. How ridiculous how idiotic. How nonsensical what would that be the. Nfl ran their playoff system. like college. football. How stupid would that be. And how many times be able. How many times would we not be able to see a team. For instance like then. The oakland raiders. Were wildcard team. Move all the way up and win the super bowl or cinderella team or something like that. How would that happen. Same thing in the nfc and the nfc they'd be talking about. I'm not based on here. Let me see the rams. They beat the new england patriots. Pretty convincingly tonight so that means we're going to hold on they might even move up from number four number three the pending upon what the depending upon what the new orleans saints do know of the green bay packers lose or the packers. Don't look good. The way that the los angeles rams play the night about move from the number three spot in our nfl nfc playoff rankings. They might move ahead of the green bay packers which means that green bay has a couple of bad games. They might fall out of the pl- because of our selection committee. Were they break down the tape. I think whether you discuss the best team. I think or whether they discuss which team had the most talent. I think whether they discussed whatever they discuss. I mean they're going to be in charge in terms of which team be in the playoffs. So we've got the saints. We got the packers over. What about the tampa bay buccaneers. They still in this if they go ahead and they beat who they play this week. They beat the minnesota vikings big deal. But this this isn't type of bullshit. We don't have to worry about the nonsense the nfl. We don't have to worry about the selection. Kamini live because they play this shit on the and that's how they determine who the playoff teams are not in college football and understood that a lot more teams in college football than there are on the nfl. Gotcha stood but still let. Let's have some have a system where everybody understands the rules or have a better system and term the must make it more to where it like. The what you do on the field will determine how good your your conference we know the rules. We know the criteria that we also guess what i got you. If that was the case you will see more of these top tier teams during the preseason of the college football they would be scheduling more top ten teams or they've given you would have better gains in september in terms of top ranked teams playing each other because it wouldn't destroy their season for instance. If just throwing out to out here of oklahoma played ohio state and ohio state. Beat them then. Guess what oklahoma wouldn't be sitting there thinking there's a death it's almost like a death sentence because we lose one more game our season he can put who we don't know oklahoma's played some really good football. How do we know that. Oklahoma isn't better than ohio. State how do we know that. Oklahoma isn't better than notre dame. Well come on notre dame be clemson and they did this the debt you'll be clemson. How many weeks. Ago i mean. How do we know this well. Ohio state they've got. They've got justin fields. They beat up on michigan. State and blah blah blah. How do we know this. How would sure well because of the town because how do we know if you're not gonna play each other. Oklahoma is one of the hottest team in college football so just because they lost two games to that all. The medically disqualified them from competing for a championship. How you know. They're not the best team right now. Doesn't make sense so let's don't let analogy back to the nfl. I mean how bad were the. I guess a hobby teams have we seen in the nfl. Were they started off slowly. They haven't been very good. The first two or three or four games but yet by the end of the season because the momentum because of other things they're willing the best teams in the league alert playing the best football in the nfl. I mean how many. And what would using the bullshit idiotic nonsensical allendale arcade way the college football determines its playoff contenders. How many years of the bill belichick. Tom brady dynasty. What the patriots now been able to qualify for the playoffs because coming out of september two and two or they were struggling but they had new player they had new schemes. they had systems. He had to get it altogether. So yeah it's timber the patriots want good december. They were one of the best teams in the nfl but only in college football. Would you have what happened to you. The first two or three games of the season penalize you moving forward and he talked about the bullshit. Well what makes the regular season show great in college football and then what makes it so wonderful and every game and everything like that. That's bullshit man. So what are we doing here. We're going to try to find out who the best team is. Or what because the way the system is now it. I would like to see. There's no guarantees if football football there's no guarantee even college football as dominant as alabama looks and dominant as notre dame looks at dominant clinton looks as great as ohio state. Looks there is no guarantee that they were beat. Cincinnati but they beat florida florida but they were beat georgia that they would beat texas. Are the chances really good that they are that they would. Yeah but guess what in the championship. Game of years and years ago it was pretty well. A foregone conclusion that nebraska was gonna blow out miami with bright rozier him in the tunnel the quarterback for turner gill and those guys pretty good foregone conclusion that nebraska going down to the orange bowl was going to beat miami and win the national championship. That workout oops two thousand three. I think it was. It was a pretty foregone conclusion. That miami florida was going to go ahead and beat them. Ohio state of boris claret. How did that workout oops exports sports. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion. That usc was going to solidify. Their spot is one of the great dynasty was bet liner and reggie bush and linda white and p carroll those guys by beating texas in the in the rose bowl. How's that workout. Oops before those games was talking about. How great though teas were how they were. Just you know this just a foregone conclusion that they were going to see met their status as one of the best teams in college. Football history would happen. Oh i forgot. They played the fucking game. And i'm quite sure that the two thousand and three ohio state buckeyes with a play by of miami that year nine hundred ten. They've probably will lost. The putting. colds are led miami team. That played the brassica nine times out of ten. It probably lost. But what the one time they won. Let's just see what happens with giving more inclusion the some of these teens who are playing. Well i stay is playing great but because it's not the sexy college football program because it's not one of the blue bloods. I mean. it's just like the committee. Throw them a bone. Oh here we go. We'll put your seven program program. How do we know that. Iowa state is better than notre dame. How do we know that iowa state is better than ohio. State taking a look at all those number one draft picks got juggling fields. Who's one of the contenders for the heisman. Trophy and look what they did to michigan. State and blah blah blah and blue balloon and. Let them play the game. Let them play the game windows world of sports on your host wallace so glad that you could be with us so that's college football for you man. That's all no other sport in this world that the playoff system might college. Football is pathetic. It's ridiculous and most importantly even though it won't even though it won't as long as i'm living i'm guessing even though it needs to change one thing about college football once again hardly ever does for. The betterment is change say drove look august weekend. Oh yeah that's what. I'm talking about one of the world sports. I'm your host the waller. Thank you mr ready. God bless you. Mr ready rest in peace mr reading. Thank you very much windows. World is sports on your host wonder wallace so glad that you could be with us speaking about what's going down today in the world of sports as i pay special dedication to the greatness of sam coca notice reading the fifty seventh and fifty third year anniversary of the passing of their untimely deaths. I'll be talking about them near the end. Last segment of the podcast. But there's still some things that are going to talk about pertaining to what's going on right now right here. Currently present in the world of sports you read the one thing that was pretty interesting us with excellent article written by mazel. Who i guess for the time being still worked at espn. He was laid off but he wrote something very interesting on. Espn dot com. You speaking about the black coaches or the lack. A black coaches being in college football. We talk about all the time. The lack of minorities and black head coaches in the nfl and luma. We do sometimes somewhat talk about the inequities Black coaches and they're not giving the opportunities to become coaches especially when we're speaking about those in the power five conferences vanderbilt reason why i came across the article. Read it me very interested in talking about dealer my thoughts and opinions the ballot the excellent piece written by may zell but also a kinda came to me the other day because it was Situation at vanderbilt where they fired Derek mason last week black head coach for the commodores. He was eight. No in the seventy seventh season am vanderbilt. Has just one win in the sec. Play the last two seasons so finished mason finished with a record of twenty seven and fifty five and look. I'm not sitting here and say you know this is unjust this racist and this horrible and it's just this end the other four vanderbilt the fire derek mason. They gave him seven years. He was twenty seven fifty five. I know vanderbilt but even at vanderbilt he has them pretty ugly losses throughout his tenure especially in the last couple year. So i mean that firing what justifiable now will. Derek mason wants to become a head coach again. Will he get that opportunity if he wants. Must be a college. Football coach will get that opportunity. He seems young enough to where if you can get a coordinator job and work and put his nose to the grindstone and shows that he deserved another chance. Then that should be the situation but when you're black and you're dealing with becoming a coach a head. Coaching college football especially for speaking about trying to become a coach in one of the power five conferences. It's extremely difficult very difficult if you're black if you weren't successful regardless of the situation the first time that you were head coach to get an opportunity the second time plenty of white coaches who have gotten second and third chances to fail As head coaches. That's not the opportunity. That's not the situation for black head coaches. So that really doubt me to thinking because i don't know what the situation would lovey smith is at illinois. I know mel tucker and michigan state. He just got higher so even in the situation like this after one year. They're not going to fire him. I think about cardinal curled rail. Who's the head coach at the colorado. He's done a good job. Thinking about a couple of others might loxley maryland. I think maryland university of maryland that that program in that community to progressive for maryland to go ahead and do something ridiculous like fire. Luckily after after one season two to season at maryland we can take a look. A couple of other coaches finale. Seeing they seem rather say but when you take a look as of this recording and you see that there's only thirteen black head coaches among the one hundred and thirty fps program. That's the problem. That's the problem that's the problem. That's a real problem and according to the ncaa race and gender demographics database temperature. The programs have black head coaches in the sport in which nearly half of the players are black. In fact in the sixty one percent of the players are black and now two of the fire now now the two of five two of the power five conferences the sec and the big twelve. The do not have a black head coach in fact the big twelve conference. They haven't employed a black head coach since texas fire. Trolley strong justifiably in twenty sixteen in fact none of the conference conferences with leading directors even hired a black head coach and eddie school that they've been to so we're speaking texas in texas. Am and texas tech in in oklahoma. And all these other places in their haven't hired any black head coaches during their tenure as directors. I don't know which ones as far at their years at that position are concerned but dale zero from all of them survey conducted by the ncaa and twenty nineteen sixty five power five schools employed ten black athletic directors to black presidents. We talked about you. Know is not what you know is who you know. Well i mean when you only have a situation where you only have ten black athletic directors in your also speaking about where those black athletic directors. Where are they located in terms. Are your the even in a community or the evening part of the region of the country. Where hiring a black coach wooden raise too. Many years wouldn't raise too. Many eyebrows would be suitable acceptable for the big big donors who contribute financially to those schools to black prizes. We don't know what type of hoops. And what type of things they you have to go through because if you take a look at the geographic and we spoke before about you know now that the sec at fire. Derek mason and you're speaking about nashville tennessee. Which is somewhat progressive that you speaking about. A city within the state of tennessee. The same state of tennessee that No south carolina reelected lindsey graham. So i apologize to tennessee but You know they're not a bastion outside of knoxville. Outside of nashville and probably outside of memphis. Shall we say. I wouldn't call them to progressive but if you take a look at schools and the sec the acc the big twelve really not in progressive enough communities to even hire a minority head coach. If you take a look at alabama louisiana oklahoma. Kansas mississippi tennessee south carolina kentucky southern virginia northern and central florida texas. Not the most. Shall we say diverse. What you're speaking about some of the areas. Some of the community aware of the schools are located. Don't think there's going to be too many folks out there in oxford mississippi jets and bill mississippi starkville mississippi stillwater oklahoma norman oklahoma oklahoma city oklahoma tuscaloosa alabama battle rouge louisiana. Boris kansas knoxville tennessee. Maybe next i don't know but still not not too many places were you would expect in a coach or a deputy director to make a higher of a man who's of color who might be looked upon very well in terms of the entire community is considered in terms of running the football program. Now if you're talking about basketball program they'll problem. Alabama has higher anthony. Grant is harry johnny jones. Oklahoma have kevin's kelvin. Sampson tennessee have a blanket coach. I don't think so. But you know south carolina Higher frank martin. Who's of cuban descent Texas chocolate smartphone work for basketball purposes. The sec the big twelve. Oh yeah they're pretty good about hiring black coaches for basketball. Maybe death their excuse to hide their privilege. Or i would metal cheesman. I mean it's there's just too many layers this just too many other things going on and then i always said this is a serious charge. The call someone a racist. I mean you would have to be pretty. You would have to have some pretty substantial evidence if you were going to call somebody a racist now. I'm very comfortable in. I'm very confident and calling someone. In terms of their white privilege. I mean white privilege is alive in well in basking in glowing in growing and strong because most white folks don't even realize they're white privilege because they're white and because of that it's been their birthright that they've had privilege especially in this country where white folks are the majority and if you speaking regions in alabama louisiana kansas missouri over homa south carolina parts of tennessee yet. That's basically all they know is being around people who look like them and have the same privilege that they do because of the color of their skin. So it's almost so ingrained now. The mentioned before i've always said for us for bringing unity and harmony and equal opportunity for everybody. It can't be my generation. I mean we're speaking about folks and my generation who's been living forty fifty years a white privilege you can expect them to. All of the sudden turnaround started stepping some of their flaws. Accepting some of the What's the word i'm looking here. Accepting some of their Fallacies in terms of their white privilege and everything. That's not going to happen. We have to kinda like ingrained that within the younger folk to let them know that even though you are born with privilege in this country just based on the color of your skin. You shouldn't take so much advantage of it to wear to the detriment of those who are just as qualified for you to do anything whether it's work at the position that you might be able to work in or live community. Would you might be able to work. Live go to school. Were that person of color. Might be just as qualified for them to go to the school as you. You can't use your white privilege card all the time to get what you want in right now. In this country in the selfish states of america in the ignorance states of america and the blinded states of america and the anew the five states of america this country that we live in called america all the white car. The white privilege card is being played over and over and over again. So that's a big difference to me between being racist in being having white privilege to me being racist yup they're calling me nigger lynching me you're up. There denied me. My civil rights erupted abusing me. That's that's that's that's that's a lot different. I mean a racist someone who will admit that there are racist. Doesn't matter i don't like you because of the color of your skin period. I don't like you because of the religious. I don't like you because of something else i mean racist will sit up there and be like yeah white. Nationalism white power over that kind of stuff are racist. Means that white people are superior than people just based on the color of their skin in my definition white privilege is hey look man. I know what wrong for me to call you nigger. I understand that black people shouldn't be lynch. Yeah i know it's wrong for black people to be just just based on the color of their skin and that's the reason why or that for someone to get a job just based on the cover skin. Nothing else i understand. That's wrong but they don't see it in terms of. Yeah but it's happening right now. Just because you think is wrong just because you know that it's wrong that doesn't mean it's not happening in that doesn't mean unconsciously you take advantage of the system that's in place to wear white liberal white privilege exists necessarily thing was going on in college football right now. That one folks who are in position especially when you're talking about these schools who don't have any black head coaches. I'm quite sure but they always sit back and be like no. I don't think that big of a deal what you're talking about all right. Yeah we're gonna be any black head coaches right now but you know taking a look at our take a look at our athletic department taking a look at all the black people that employ take a little our football staff and we and you see that we have black people as coordinators and helping out and getting paychecks are from the university to be running backs coach or quality. Control people or anything like that. I don't know what you're talking about just because we don't have a black head coach just because we never had a blackout coach. We don't we. Don't hire people based off the color of their skin. That just happens that every job. Every time there was an opening for a head. Coaching position that this university for a head football coach independent opponent. What school we're talking about here. This is a situation. Where what every five every seven every ten if we're speaking about something like alabama and it doesn't happen very much every speaking about one of the top tier schools with with a strong football program ryan day in going anywhere soon. Urban meyer can have all the jobs that he could want to because of his successive. Just speaking about those type schools. Those jobs don't come up very often. So they can take a look the the white the white head coaches they can take a look and say what are we talking about the basketball program. You're taking a look our basketball coach black. What are you talking about what we're so racist and we're so just to get black people. Why do i have four or five coaches of color on my coaching staff. The can take a look at what. If i'm so racist one hell. Did i hire a black head to coach basketball team with that. If that's what basically so they're racist. Why am i letting all these black kids play basketball. Why am i allowing these kids. Come on campus to give them free rides and let them be student athletes and give them access to our facilities in the in the training tables in the weight room and everything advantages that come with being a student athlete. Von so racist. Why am i giving all of these opportunities to these black tips from these predominantly black communities. Why am i giving them a chance to get an education. Why not give them a chance to fulfill their dreams of playing. Fella bustle racist. Why i don't understand we come from. I don't get that and some degree that's true. Some degree that's true. That's the racism. That's what privilege but see what you're white privilege understand. Yeah you're bringing these guys onto campus from these lower tier social economic field communities of color. But what are you doing to put him in position to where they're six where they will succeed. Yeah you might have coaches on your coaching staff. But what are you doing to help them help themselves learn their crafts and give them opportunities for upward mobility so they can become op too. They can have opportunities to become head coaches. Yeah that's great that you're hiring this black basketball coach to coach the college basketball team that you're the but what are you doing in terms of giving him the resources in the funds and everything that he needs to compete. How much attention are we giving to football program with the white coach compared to the basketball team with the black coach. You see those. Are the things that we're that we're talking about here. So so those are the type of deals it again. If you're speaking about a state alabama who voted for the fucking asshole that we have currently in the white house for another forty something days. They're speaking about stays light louisiana oklahoma kansas mississippi tennessee south carolina. Those are all states. That voted for a guy who i'll say it right now. He is a fucking racist. He is a fuck misogynist. He is incompetent Asshole antichrist's those states. That voted for this guy. Those are the community that voted for this guy so those were communities. That said yeah. We don't mind racism yeah. We don't mind sexism yeah. We don't mind Taking babies away. You're separating children and putting them in cages and breaking up families yet. we don't care that. This guy caters to dictators yet. We don't care. This guy lives every time he talks. We we don't care we just don't care so those are the communities in those communities of ignorance of those communities a white privilege of those communities who are dumb enough to overwhelmingly vote for someone like that you think they're going to be progressive enough. You think they're going to be open minded enough. Unless the black coaches that they hire for coaching their football team the equivalent of success of an urban meyer. Or a nick sabin when he got to alabama or davos sweetie unless that black coach is all that accurate or had that type of success. Do you think communities in regions of countries regions in this country country. Who are dumb enough selfish enough insulated enough in privileged enough to think that the fucking idiot that we have in the white house right now if the right choice someone who say's that black lives don't matter in certain areas of the country in certain areas of that community who won't take the time to have inclusion to have true equal opportunity the say all of a sudden out no rogue. Wanna give up the we're going to give up. The advantage of the finding what racism is all about. You know. See those folks in alabama louisiana in south carolina and mississippi and tennessee in kansas missouri. Not all of them. Not all of them. Not all of them all of them. So you're yelling screaming at me. I'm not like that. i'm not like that. i'm not letting that. I voted for biden. Believe in the other. I went out marching and all those type of things the night he talked about you. God bless you. I feel sorry for you that you gotta live in regions. Would you live him. I feel sorry that you gotta live in states like that where you have the majority of people who do feel that way. So if i'm if you're offended by that then you shouldn't be because i talk about you. I'm talking about your neighbor. I'm talking about the person down the street. I'm talking about the person over in the neighborhood. I'm talking about the those other folks the ones you don't care about unity the ones you don't care about democracy the ones you don't care about the constitution the ones you don't either they don't care or they're too ignorant or they're too blind or they'll just selfish or they're too stupid even once but the point is those people aren't going to be open minded to give a black person a chance to run their football team. Those people are talking about your typical. What many people think a racist would be. I'm talking about them. Folks who have boatloads of money who own a lot of things who have a lot of power who live have a lot of influence who are college educated who are incredibly smart businessman who are incredibly brilliant people in and of the businessmen and making money and things. Those are the people that i'm talking about mainly because those are the ones who definitely pull the strings so was speaking about this with thinking speaking about this. No black head coaches in college football. You have to take a look at the regents. The geographics a where these places are athletic. Alabama's athletic director greg. Brian speak about white privilege. Runamuck i mean this guy is just overflowing with it. He doesn't even care who knows. He probably doesn't even realize how now he's doing his white privilege in the folks who are listening to speak in don't even realize how brazen he is with his white privilege when speaking about diversity because he was. He says that he believed that. The university of the fan base at brandon daily stadium is increasing. But he said that pinning down that information in terms of why there aren't any black head coaches or whether or not more black head coaches in college. Football pending down. That information is well down the list of priorities of the modern sprawling athletic department. He says s department we have plenty plus teams and our staff isn't any bigger than that. Then what an nba organization would have four two teams many nba organizations operate nba wmba team. So that's what he's saying. He says that. We deal with academics. Proteins don't deal with that. We deal with compliance we deal with recruiting datum deal with those things until you've been on campus realize half the time you're just trying to keep your head above water you got six hundred and fifty. Eighteen to twenty two year olds in issues. That come along with it. You got you. You got not one. Coaching staff or to coach eastep. You got not one to coaching staff. You have sixteen coaching staff to deal. With to be honest i think part of it is i think part of it is just. There are just things that have never really been a priority. I think collecting good solid demographic background on your fan base has not been a bigger priority bulletin is challenging. So how about that so basically saying that. Yeah i mean you know. There's a lot of yeah you know i. I realize that. There's an issue with black head coaches that they're not getting the opportunity but that's not really our priority so when this clown is up there talking about no priority. Which means that he really. Don't give a fuck yeah. I know that we don't have enough blockade telling but the fuck you want me to do their problem not mine. I got another thing to deal with. Fuck you man that. how about that. From what black man to another fuck you that my priority my priority to take the bullshit that you just said and say shoving up your ass privilege motherfucker. According to be saying some shit like that doesn't bother. You doesn't matter to you. you don't have to worry about that month. You have to worry about that. Do you have to worry about getting an opportunity to worry about that. Because you're because the qualify. You whiten your mail being boom. You're in so you have to worry about that. So this nonsense about. We've we have to deal with this and we have to deal with that. What the hell coach for. What the hell is what we got compliance again. You're the only people you only. You're newly administrators on campus. Come on make me a fucking break with that bullshit. You don't give a fuck again. Is great bryan. Gonna sit here and say well you know. I don't think black head coaches. I don't think there's black head coaches in college football. Because i don't think i don't think black males are smart enough to be coaches. I mean he al campaigning himself. Tell you. I don't think great brine this guy's name greg brian right now. The athletic director for alabama. Yes i don't think. Greg bryant is a racist in terms of yeah. We don't hire black people coaches for football because they're just not good enough. They're just not qualified but white man is a more qualified person to run the football team than a black man. So let great. Brian is saying that. So i'm not gonna label great brian. But i am going to say that this motherfucker in overflowing in what privilege ignorance concerning this matter because of his blase. Hey you know what. It's just not our priority right now. We've got other things to worry about this arrogance that's ignorance that's astoundingly truthful and the thing is that's probably mostly kids say guaranteed because i'd never talked to any of the athletic director is about it but if you got the behind closed doors and let them speak with each other upon the matter and you didn't have cameras. And you didn't have microphones and you didn't have anybody else. And you had all of those athletic directors and that conversation or that topic broached broached that probably a type of terror that probably around the same type of thought process type would be into well number be happening not just with alabama. I'm quite sure. We'll be the same in auburn and mississippi and mississippi state. I don't know these athletic directors if they team in here and say my life right now. But i'm quite sure that ten the conversation would be basically what great brand is talking about. Yeah that black people are getting jobs. I take coaches gala. Means there were opportunities for those guys. But you know right now. Let's just not on our priority list. We just can't worry about that right now and again it goes back to. Hey you know what. I'm enough just because you just don't judge me on one thing just because i don't have a black man football coach those aren't talking about. I'm not doing this. That and the other for black people. I'm bringing these kids out campus. I'm having people in my department. Who are black getting paid and putting their kids through college in putting a roof over their head and food on the table. So don't go there with me. Don't go there with me. i'm not. I'm not gonna go there with you but i am going to go there with the opportunity to criticize that bullshit lazy-faire type of arrogance that you showed in terms of You know what just we got a lot of things to deal with and making sure that black coaches to a qualified get equal opportunities to become head coaches in college football. Maybe we'll check on that. Maybe we'll deal with it but see why pokes all throughout history for those who have been oppressors or for those who really haven't understood what real progress needs to be. They've always had that type of kick the can down the road mentality right now. We're just busy. Yeah yeah i know. Ju- crow yes sucks. Came back to black players back in the fifties and sixties and such only black players playing football basketball that these other schools. Yeah you just just you know. I understand we should. We really should but you know right now. We just got the mother thing to deal with and i mean they go through. The you know historically black colleges not like they can't go to college at all. Also i mean they just what we'll get to it when we get to it. You know that's just the deal that same thing. Same same thing now in two thousand twenty. It's just not a priority when world is sports on your host wallis. So glad that you could be with us. Some coaches are quite sure. College head coaches. Think that progress being made because again they take a look at my staff all the black coordinators. I have on the office side of the football. There's plenty of black running back and wide receiver coaches in fact sixty five programs at the federal power. Five conference forty nine of them. Have black running. Back coaches great fabulous wonderful. There's only one fucking problem with them. The coaching positions are not as prominent running back. Coach is not as prominent of position of the quarterback coach which lead to more up more upward mobility towards being a head coach. That's applicable for both college. Impo i mean. How many pro coaches do we see in the nfl. Right now. webby quarterbacks coach background not excluding those came from the sean mcvay tree. When sean mcvay a couple of years ago. Everybody's looking for the next sean. Mcvay a young energetic white offense of Football coach was dilemma. Zac taylor get a job and matt floor. Got a job and charles. Nagy got a job and all of these guides from the matt. From the from the sean mcvay trie who kind of the cookie cutter. Kind of fit that mold clip kingsbury because of that job with arizona. Think outside the box. he's young. He's energetic he's halfway decent looking for and like i said a white band together. So the offense of mine offensive guru work well with the quarterbacks has called back coaching experience and everything like that remember that time period restaurant time period that one off season where looked like everybody was hiring those types of coaches. Well how many black coaches are there. Which are quarterback coaches. How many blacks coaches out there in college. Football the power. Five conferences are offensive coordinators. And how many of those qualified offensive coordinator's clinton's. Tony elliott still hasn't been able to get himself. How can south carolina. Uh who's right up the road down the road within the same state of clemson. They're looking for a coach because both must chiampou. Oh i don't know not only. Did he fail a florida. This guy even before. Florida was supposed to be the coach in waiting for the job at texas. When matt brown retire back brown retired before we'll much hip show any type of head coaching document. He was already supposed to be that guy who's going to take over the esteem college football program at the university of texas so when he decided not to win longer he got the jug florida. You bombed then got to south carolina he bombed and i'm quite sure if he wanted to. He could probably get a job and four. Tony elliott or the Coach at notre dame who often of the ball right. now he's right now grooming. Tommy reese a long time black coach from the offensive side of the football. Who's not running back coach so a lot of times. These white coaches will hire these running back coach. Hire these black guy for these positions not with the not with the reasoning of their possibly then moving up the ladder to become an offensive coordinator within the next leap of being a college football head coach. Know a of these coaches who are black who are higher by these children's in the power five conferences. They're just there to help out the black players who come from these black lower class communities. That's what did their for their to relate. So if they need might looked book upon if they need somebody to talk to they need just to see somebody with the same look and face. Change skin color at them. That's where the assisted coaches running. Who are black. That's what they're here for. If you always notice with the basketball basketball is really obvious. It doesn't matter if there's a team out there. Coaching montana in at montana state. Boise i mean you the whitest communities out there were. There's a university or whether the basketball team at the university you will always find as an assistant coach. A black man had not not the associate head coach. Not the main head coach. But he's on that staff. Because if you're gonna be bringing these kids up to a place where it's predominantly white and you have these kids coming from predominantly black areas. Well then you're going to need that coach who's black. Who's on your staff to be able to talk to them to be able to make sure that they're all right and everything's gonna be alright. The coach the white coach. Sometimes both at the time can't even baller to go ahead and do that kenny. Don't bother to go ahead and see what they can do to ease the transition from going into one environment to something that's completely different and term that environment man. We're talking about eighteen to twenty two year old kids. So these coaches hired these black head coaches pull them at wide receiver charge of the wide receivers defensive line or the running back coach there. S not a position where you can then lead to being an offensive coordinator or head coach the overwhelmingly overwhelmingly Percentage of the time for the whitehead toast have a relationship with a black head coach. Who's be a first round draft pick. Who's helping you win. Football games whose heisman trophy candidates who are making all american teams. Who are helping you win games with means that you can get that race you can get that opportunity possibly go somewhere else to better your financial situation. So the those coaches those white head coaches will be buddy buddy and chum chum and they're just like a second son to be and all these other things oh yeah they'll do that with the star player but what about them. What about that redshirt freshman. Who still struggling. Who the way for the first time. Who's not contributing. Who's not being a part of the success on the field day in and day out. What are you doing with that player coach. What are you doing to ease. His fears and eat his anxieties about being away from home and be the totally different environment coach. What are you doing with tat. Or if i forget you're not doing anything you telling the black assistant coach to make sure that he's doing all right. And depending upon the death chart the depth chart if he not doing right now we need to the transfer getting the fuck out of here. I've got two or three other four star recruits coming in. I don't need his ass. So that's the black coach in those situations again are being. I wouldn't say being used by. Those coaches are looking to eventually become head coaches coaches. It's not gonna happen at the position that they're in right now when those world sports. I'm your host window wallace so glad that you could be with us just finishing up this and again ivan. Mesalliance is a great piece. Did it awesome piece in terms of deals in fact he was talking about. You know what i wrote about you. Know why they wanna need lactate coaches in nineteen ninety two. Now i revisit this topic almost thirty years later and seeing some of the same shit. That's been going down in nineteen ninety two at the reasons why there aren't any black coaches that seems like those reasons are still evident in prevalent here in twenty twenty so in twenty years. Exactly what have we done and twenty eight years. How far have we come now again. I'm quite sure those who are going to sit there and talk about. Oh here he goes windowpane a race kurt again. Oh wendell with all blacks are being this. Danny other read blah blah blah. Yeah you'll point to kevin sullivan your point to david shaw your point to derek mason. Who again was a failure after seven years and gave him seven years. It's not like they gave him one year and then he was fired. You'll point to semester crew who went to mississippi state. you'll point to kevin sutherland. Who not only got the jam. Texas them but after that went kaput where he with justifiable fired. He get another position that the arizona in the way that seasons going for them right now if he gets fired from their job. I can't blame them for doing that either. So you don't go point point and talk about. He looked you know in the pac. Twelve you've got a decent amount of coaches who are black. Coaching the football teams in the big ten. You've got a decent amount. jane. Franklin had been there. Were penn state. Bobby smith has endured some rough seasons with illinois. He's still coaching. I mean don't be pointing to a lotta places like that whereas what the fucking you talk about where what was me. College football needs to have more black head coaches especially in the power five conferences. See like they're doing quite well. They're doing quite fine. So what the fuck are you talking about rate. We've we've made some distance. We've done some things differently. We've improve we've unveiled from nineteen ninety two to two thousand and twenty fabulous wonderful way to go but it ain't enough and nearly enough nearly nearly enough in the progress that we bay had been embarrassing enoch strong enough by any stretch of imagination because the minute the minute the we think that this problem is not a problem instead of thirteen. Black head coaches. We'll be back down the four three in two with the matter of two to three years easily if we don't keep bringing this up and when i say we i'm not saying just black folks. I'm talking about also folks of every from from every race getting on us. So it's it's it's frustrating again. Just because we made some rather mcneil's at east carolina the randy shannon's at miami was because we've done that. Charlie strong's at texas tyrone willingham at notre dame's. That's that's great. That doesn't mean that there isn't a problem. There's a big problem. Because the numbers do not lie stanford done great david. Shaw is one more games and conference titles than the other black coach in the history of college football but guess what the black coaching history of football but he hasn't even one hundred games yet but he was guess what he was the office of coordinator for jim harbaugh when he got that job. David shaw who has steph for ties before being coached there even before getting on the coaching staff. I'm quite sure if he was in a different situation and started his career somewhere else. Especially if we're speaking about some of those more conservative states you think david shaw would have been the head coach by now. You think david shaw will have been given the opportunity to be one of the better head coaches over the past five or six or seven or eight years. I don't think so. i don't think so. Lak there's been progress. There's been progress as far as black head coaches in college football. But if we're speaking about where we need to go. How far do we need to go. We need to go a lot father because still you're speaking about these numbers. It's embarrassing is pathetic. Things have got to change the summer. Working limited sir walnut sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad you could be with us. That the sound on the main working on the chain gang that the the he's working on chaining gang That's dedication again. Sam cooke otis redding fifty seventh and fifty third year today the passing of two of the greatest legendary performance talking about them in just a little bit but right now speaking about was going down in the nba season starts in two weeks day on that is right around the corner and james harden still monsanto. Houston he's making it known. In many different ways he plagued card man play the empowerment. Cardi didn't report to the center for the tobin. Nineteen testing until two days after the rockets held her first team practices. Pj tucker talkin about look. I'll ask. I'll answer any questions. Y'all wanted to about tj tug right on anything else about anybody else. Eric gordon i in answering these questions. Stephen silas their head coach coach. Like i got no updates man. I have no idea. He hadn't texts me. He hadn't called yet anything. Y'all are asked him. Or would you heard from james about james this that the other about james. I have no fucking idea. I've got i don't know about lebanon other guys fourteen other guys. How many how many players were in camp. I got them the worry about. I can't figuring out what's happening with. James harden right now so james harden is putting everybody in the organization was like. Hey we're not. We're not afraid to get uncomfortable. Well congratulations you're comfortable shave and took that as a challenge. Only oh you're gonna come at me like their after trae to brooklyn. Give me out of here. You're gonna come back with well. We we a scare abune uncomfortable. Okay all right. Challenge accepted Let me say. He didn't report for testing until tuesday so now he must have six consecutive negative tests before the nba could even allow them to practice with the team. We're talking about wednesday. Thursday friday saturday sunday monday. So we're going to be moving into next week before james harden and even eligible to go ahead and practice even if he had a change of heart he found jesus in this manner said i acquiesced to now go ahead and i'll be committed. Now do whatever this that and the other. He's still can't reunite to feel so good with teammates until later on next week. He missed the first practice. Because of covid nineteen protocols before stephen sales no idea haven't heard from him no communication. No nothin' so what was all of this. What was going on with james harden instead of him showing up for practice was he doing some individual work himself on his game. No what's he take them back and you know doing something to help them become better basketball player in the better team. Mate and following the guidelines set by the nba in terms of following covert regulations in terms of keeping that pandemic keeping that virus away from them new harden just to make sure that this wasn't a rumor posted pictures on instagram on his instagram over the weekend. The showed him attending rapper. Little babies birthday party in land without wearing a face mask though this man was in a club surrounded by multitudes of people nullity stupid motherfuckers are wearing a mask. He's sleep posted on instagram again. The nba requires player to quarantine at home the past week other than testing at team facilities individual workouts in essential activities. Such as grocery shopping. James harden is in atlanta party. And then he goes over the vegas and he continued the party. And james harden a pre existing condition. He has asthma was basically mean even more vulnerable to the to the virus and this fucking clouds out here up their partying and room full of people. This guy go to a baby shower and the idiot this rapid this idiot. Who's having this child. He's up there in a place in the condensed area with people's around. The by people would no masks. How fucking stupid responsible argue. Goodness gracious sakes alive. And james is right there so i i don't i don't know exactly. Basically he's a breach of contract. Basically he's telling the legal fuck themselves in terms of the required requirements that they have for this guy so unbelievable. After wednesday's practice the rockets remain uncertain about. Where'd clear to practice awaiting word from the nba about the appropriate nineteen protocols following the following hardest. Hold out from training camp so they don't know exactly what they're gonna do. They don't know if the nba's must've final they don't know the nba's say look you know we'll throw in terms of any punishment that you're gonna give for. What hardened did you know. I'm we're going to throw that to you guys. Because if the two of the rockets they ain't gonna do nothing you think they're going to do anything. Punish james harden for doing this think so the rockets owner tillman for t- that he's insisting on. Cnbc was talking about this. Is the team. Team has done nothing in terms of trying to trade him and he said that he's done nothing but gotten better in the off. Season in terms of his team is concerned adding his hope for harden to win a title in houston so as of right now from the owner. I don't know what the gm and coaches i don't know what type of And on what type of meetings around the type of conversations that are happening but tillman for titas talking about yeah and the offseason with the acquisition of john wall christian would and a couple of others. We've gotten ourselves better so yeah we're in a better position to win the title. This season last season. Tillman are you fucking serious. You're not even close. You think. John adams john wall christian would nice player. A good player john wall. We don't know what type of player he's gonna be. We know that he's not going to be the john wall that you're hoping that he's gonna be. You really think that that team in houston is better than the lakers is. Better than the nuggets is better than the jazz better than the clippers. You really think that really. You really think that they're better than up and coming memphis grizzlies team. You think that they're significantly better than phoenix. Now that the chris. Paul you really think that this is the squad. That's going to be able to bring james harden entitled james harden. That's gonna take a look at this team with john wall. Pj tucker kristen. Would eric gordon and be like all yell. Now we're ready to go. Watch lakers lebron. Ad fear you better fear us. Fear the beard in our in my and my background singers. Were roy ray to go. The houston hardens gonna be are gonna be shot the world of course mainly dumb. The man was born at night last night. What does this guy till for to talking about. So here's the thing that. I'm thinking about a windows role. The sports the podcast with your host window wallace. That's me but harden doing with this nonsense within going out the full acting responsible and why they act of acting a fool. i mean. look if you want to hold out if you want to express your disappointment and missed practice and missed the opening and misdemeanor and all that kind of stuff. I get that. I understand that but for you to go ahead and so irresponsibly in terms of going to clubs and going out without the you know violating the rules set forth by the nba concerning protocols for covid. Nineteen what it makes. It makes no sense to me. All you're doing is hurting. Not just the team the franchise. You're also hurting yourself. One in the name of our lord and savior would any team be interested in signing james harden right now after showing so much irresponsibility so much selfishness like i mentioned before james harden's wants to stay home and in pal and do those types of things even every right and in the way you know i can understand it. He wants to be traded. He'd been there eight years he what to thirty one years old thirty two once an opportunity the play for a championship. He's turned down the opportunity to make fifty dollars a year on an extension in the future. He's clearly given you these signs that he's not interested and then he here's these clowns told them about. Were not afraid to big things uncomfortable. We hear the owner talking about. We're a better team now with some of the moves that we've made i could see james harden sitting there going. What the fuck are you serious. That's understandable but the do the things that he's doing now. If you're the brooklyn next you really want to deal with that issue. If you're the philadelphia seventy sixers. You really want to deal with that issue. If you're the milwaukee bucks or the the especially the miami the miami heat you realize what the culture that they have you really want to deal with that you really want to deal with that bullshit and that's just on the surface so i don't know i mean why again. Why would any team trainer. James harden right now especially with the leverage the fact that he's making a difficult for the houston rockets in terms of trying to get top dollar for the guy. Let me if he really really really wanted to be traded. I mean really wanted to be traded. He was saying look. I'm gonna come to camp. I wanna ball. I'm gonna be a good teammate. i'm gonna do. What did when he was with. Denver mellow was like. Look i'm gonna go play for the new york. Knicks don't wanna play for anybody else's and nothing against denver. I joined by time denver. But you know. I just wanna go ahead and play. Wanna play and do what i wanna do. Mellow didn't do any holdouts mellow didn't act. The fool mellowed and bring negative attention to himself in terms of doing things stupid. He wasn't that a club. You wouldn't do anything reckless. He came any play ball quite sure. Denver was for that. Because it's okay now. He's seeing what mellow can do. Now let's let's go ahead and talk to teams or at least talk to the new york knicks and get this done. If james harden came down said look. I don't wanna play here. I don't wanna player. Could you please please do your best to get me out of here in. The rockets finally acquiesced to sit all right. All right just just work with this work with us please. And we'll do our best james harden and said thank you. Now i'm gonna give you all a little bit of time. I want to be a good soldier. I'm gonna play my play my ass all play hard and do everything like that. So my trade value can remain high but if we if still gained twenty twenty five thirty and i'm still here then i'm gonna have to reconsider my actions in terms of my thoughts and feelings about trying to get out of here in terms i might have to escalate the uncomfortable factor for me to get out of here but look for the first x amount of days weeks. Whatever games wanna play. i'll play hard. I play my ass off. And i'll play great which will only increase my trade value. My ass you in the team some we able to get assets but what he's doing now. I'm a team is even interested. I'm not going to be given up top dollar for a anything to get back. James harden because the way james harden is acting. He's putting juiston in a difficult position trying to get top dollar. Why would you give up a cornerstone player in a bevy of draft picks. Why shouldn't get to whiten. Get a guy who's going to be Going to nightclubs without a mask. That's what you want me to do. A guy who thirty one years old who at a couple of years. I'm going to have to pay. What somewhere in the neighborhood of forty five fifty million dollars for four for four years when the option. That's that's exactly what you want me to give my future on right now. I don't think so. So if i'm james harden just raw just kind calm down a little bit and kind of helped you trade value at least a pre season go out there and bowl do your fame and make it easier for the houston rockets to a loja as of right now but right now. He's making the different difficult for himself. Windows world is sports. I'm your host of wallace glad that you could be with us. So what james harden is doing. The folks say it's called a It's called empowerment player. Empowerment player leveraging their power to get what they want whether it be through trades. Coaching decisions. Free agency signings. Practice travel decisions access to some of their homeboys in their families and friends. you know agents. Such kindy hit my homeboys. You'll have access to the players. Loans can my homeboys or my friend or my or my chef or my personal trainer or my agent. Can they be on this road trip with me. And fly on the fly on the team plane and do all this kind of stuff and get first class and accommodations and all those type of things. That's player empowerment. And it's four the superstar. Many people say then people call that player empowerment. I call that superstar empowerment regular players. Don't get that you know rudy. Mora of the washington wizards are not going to be discerning. Cook it's fired. who retired. Who brings who they bring in free agent rudy hot. You're more of the wizards is not going to be consulted on. What trade are being made really hutch bora not going to be deciding on whether they practice or not. How long are they going to be staying over on the city before they have to go out. What time of practice. How hard is practices going to be really hot. You're more uh troy browns junior Toy budget 'davis bertans. Those guys thomas bryant. Those guys for the wizards have no say in the matter on any of those things and their players. Bradley beal on the other hand for the wizards. He's basically even when russell westbrook on the teen. He's basically running that franchise so he's going to be the one that's gonna be consulted. You don't think that he must consultant. In terms of win tommy sheppard. Gm was on the On the thought process of trading james. John wall russell westbrook. You don't think he ran that. John bradley beal. You don't think that whatever direction that they go in terms of the head coach. You don't think bradley beal as saying that moving forward especially not selling extension. You think the davos. Protons that free agency. You don't think they win the bradley beal i say. How much do you want the scammell team. During the season bradley beal is not going to have a say. And how long. This team is going to practice. When they're gonna practice what foods are gonna be served. What hotels whatever they're gonna be you know when accommodations is going to be afforded him. You don't think that whenever whatever personally want to have access to the facilities. You don't think the wizards are going to give that to them simply with journalists in milwaukee. That's just that's just par for the course superstar empowerment. It's completely acceptable. This president all throughout team sports history. Becky johnson telling pat riley. How practices going to be. I remember reading a book. Showtime i think Jeff pearlman wrote a book about the lakers and their dynasty. And they were talking about one time. You know pat riley. this has been pat. Riley was willing championship. This is not believe. I took over from paul westphal. In what straight from the broadcast. Booth with chick. Hearn coached the team. This was a situation where this is where pat riley became. What's now known as pat riley and get the lakers together at the time there wouldn't championship. They're doing well and everything like that. So he got the lakers altogether before practice in before he was gonna practice he said fellas. We're gonna work hard. We're going to try hard. We're going to do everything we're going to have three hour practice today. And it's going to be this is gonna be. That magic interrupted them. No no no. No no no coach. We're not going through our building hour and a half riley was like no. We're going through our hours. We're gonna magic with like no no. We just got off back to back. We're not doing three hour. We're doing an hour and a half riley politics a little bit and said all right. We're gonna do an hour and a half. But i tell you one thing. We are going to work hard. We we're going to do this and we're going to do that. And they were walking away to get ready for practice. Magic kinda looked at one of the teammates and said yeah. That's what i thought in terms of you. If i if i say we're gonna practice for only an hour and a half. Guess what we're practicing for only an hour and a half coach. You don't give a damn how many championships that you've won. This is pat riley. We're talking about this. Is that some rookie coach. So power superstar empowerment. It's been happening for a long time. Great story speaking about player empowerment. Bill belichick when he was the assistant coach defensive coordinator with the new york giants and he told the story about. This is one of the best stories. I've heard concerning this and this has been moore's taylor was doing a thing and i fell. Mvp star linebacker got like linebacker and everything so it was a friday meeting before the game team came in offense defense special teams whatever parcells gave the speech that the other lords taylor with any other on time. They'll be deal right so after the team meeting was over the team broke up into their groups. Offense defense special teams whatever right so bella got defense. Bottoming started going over the game plan together. The meeting was five minutes in still know. Lawrence taylor lors. Taylor comes walking in five. Six minutes. Late can a move to the back of the The the the classroom or wherever they were doing it and belichick didn't stop or didn't do anything he just kept going and going over to game plan and this is what we need to do when these are keys and when they do this. We're going to do that. The tenure so when the meeting was over bella check does up the parcels and he says you know coach just to look to know that lord taylor was lt was about five or six late to the meeting. Parcells looked at him and said l. Bella checked like. I just thought you might wanna know that parcells looked edmonds said. Why did you start to meetings. Why did you start the meeting with album superstar empowerment right there. Red auerbach the great coach for the boston celtics. What nine champion eleven championships whatever. How many championships. He won eight championships. Whatever one day the russell came up to him and say kelch. I don't feel like practicing today and play forty eight minutes last night. I'm tired not really in the mood to practice but our backs it. Okay no problem. So here's the celtics sam jones. Casey john havlicek satch sanders up. There practicing hard running. Wind sprints bill russell's up there in the bleachers reading the paper sipping coffee so sam jones goes over to read. Our bacne says they read. Why is it that we're up here. Working hard whisperings do another type of stuff. And russell's up their chilling drinking coffee read the paper. Sam johnson said chillan. You get what you get my drift. Read our beck. Blew the whistle. Sooner and everybody come on come on in here real quickly. I need to let you guys know. Let you guys know one thing there to the rules on these on this team. There's one for him and he pointed the russell and there's one for the rest of you guys doing make myself clear all right. Thank you very much you go. You guys go back working russia. Go back up to the in rolex superstar empowerment superstar empowerment wilt chamberlain letting the coaching bill. Sharman the inventor head coach. Hundred seventy one seventy. Two of the los angeles lakers one sixty nine sixty games or some shit like that one thirty three games in a row. He was the inventor of the morning. Shootaround we get into the arena. We get used to the court and the basket and everything like that. We run through was few plays and were good. And we'll see you guys later on tonight. That was bill sharman when he would get into when he would get into city. Where we're going gonna play will chamberlain was on a team. They'll sharman told one of the ball. Boys whatever you know. Go to wilson and let him know that practices going to be the shoot around tomorrow at the arena is going to be at nine o'clock in the morning arbitrary time. It's going to be at nine o'clock tomorrow to the ball. Boy runs over the wiltshire room knocks on the door will answer the door. Ballboy says yeah. Coast sharman wants to be to let you know that the mouth tomorrow is going to be at nine. Am wilt look at him and said well you coach. I'm only going into the arena. Once does he want me there for the shoot around or does he want me there for the game. 'cause i didn't go into both so he can either had me for the shoot around or you can have me for the for the game. Goodbye till player superstar empowerment dallas cowboys head coach. Jimmy johnson player. Who went fell asleep not meetings. You know it looks like you're having a little trouble staying awake there. Why don't you were go home and get some rest jimmy. Johnson cut him on the spot. Well what would have happened. Someone asks them would have happened. If micheal irvin would have been sleeping in the team meeting jimmy johnson said well. I want a gun over and told him to wake up. You cut them hell. No i'm not gonna come need the guy who wins uber bowl when you talking about superstar empowerment. So what james hardie doing is you know in terms of. I won't kevin mckell fired. He's fired. I want you to bring him. Dwight howard you bring dwight howard. I want dwight howard anymore. They get rid of dwight howard. Bring me in chris paul. Bring chris paul. I don't want chris paul anymore. They create chris. Paul chris paul russell westbrook so you can create chris. Paul for russell westbrook. The acquiesce did after one season. James harden. i don't want russell westbrook anymore. They train away russell westbrook so it's like as hard that harsh. That's terrible james harden after the all star break doesn't wanna practice at a certain time because you need a few days off because of all star weekend getaway practising practising at that time. James harden wants to say in a particular city a little bit longer because he wants to go out and party a little bit more guest where the houston rockets are going to be spending the night. Right where james harden wants them to be. So that's coal superstar. Empowerment austin rivers. Can't get away with that. Pj tucker can't get away with that jeff. Green can't get away with that. The other those guys get away with that. You don't think russell westbrook randy oklahoma city thunder when he was there especially after kevin durant left. You'll think that they bend over backwards for russell westbrook in and bowed down with every wanting to need superstar empowerment so again current players. Who have that ultimate superstar empowerment. Lebron steph you have y- honest you have luca kawai k d damian lillard in portland. The color yokich down in denver. Anthony davis la in harden. Those guys those guys you dictate and they deserve it. They absolutely deserve it. The difference now between those players that i just mentioned like lebron instead of a why in k. d. and anthony davis and maybe guys like this in luca and and some of these other guys in in the colder edge. Maybe jamal murray the only difference between those players with the ultimate superstar empowerment. James harden is the fact that james harden still had the wanna championship. james harden is still making about forty one point two million dollars and james harden and thirty one years old. It's been eight. Seasons of james harden no championships no nba finals and big time. Meltdowns and big games in the nba playoffs. The broncos want for nba championships. She can wear fucking was steph is one three. Nba championships guy of very low maintenance. He can do whatever he wants. Jaanus who holds the entire franchise hot age by what he's going to do. You think milwaukee especially if he doesn't sound the contract extension but december twenty first jaanus nobuaki boxer going to do anything to upset. John's you think they're gonna be bold enough. You might be mentally strong enough to be like the tell. Janas know whenever he wants something in this situation. And we'll think to. Luca's still rookie contract. He's a top five player in the nba. A transformative transcended generational talent. You think dallas is going to do anything to upset him. Same thing with over with the clippers. I mean that rivers already got himself fired because of how much he bowed down to quiet. Leonard quiet lived in san diego. The clippers los angeles. If i was at home in san diego and the clippers had a practice gets who is gonna be showing up a practice or a guest who was going to cancel. Practice wasn't gonna be doc what's going to be launched. It wasn't gonna be patrick beverley. It wasn't the movie lou. Williams wasn't gonna be mantras herald was going to be quite leonard. If quieted wanna play a certain night gets his call. It was who was going to say. No i'm sorry you're playing. Nobody coinstar the contract. We're in two years. He could knock tell and everything that the clippers invested to get him. Paul george you think the clippers are going to do anything in terms to jeopardize the opportunity for a quiet and say you know what you guys are treating me. Maybe i will go to the lakers. Or maybe i will go back to toronto. Maybe i will go somewhere else. No coordinator ultimate superstar empowerment. But guess what quite leonard has shown that if you kind of you know if you kind of you know work with him and you know you kinda give him that power meant he's gonna to reward you by winning a championship. Anthony davis is going to reward you by winning a championship. The caller yokich is only twenty five years old and his low maintenance. Jane harden it thirty one years old a diva making forty one billion dollars and disappears when the when they need them most of the playoffs. So it's got to the point in. Houston where's kind of like me. I can do this shit anymore james. We've done everything for you. And now we basically imploded. Our offense imploded our team to basically figure around you. And now you're gonna turn around. And say i want to be of here. I want to go somewhere else. I mean they are man. We feel used repealed abused. We feel taken najim for the houston rockets. Their feelings hurt. Because you ain't gonna get a player you're in the train your dollar for dollar on james hardie. You're not going to get a dollar ten for a dollar on james tartan because guess what. James harden is one of the top five or six players in the nba. So if it were the equal value you would have to what maybe get back. You would have to get back. Luca would have to get back. Ad you will have to get back dame you would have to get back k. d. you will have to get back one of those players and guess what those franchise giving up those players. So whenever you trade. James hardie do not going to be getting dollar for dollar for the guy. I know. it's gonna be tough but james harden thirty one years. He's going to sign a contract extension for the next few next three or four years for three or four year. Two years down the road. He can extension for three to four years player option. Maybe after three. Let's go to pay him somewhere around. Forty five to fifty mill in. I bet you in the year. Twenty twenty five. James harden is going to be looked upon the same as we look upon. Russell westbrook john wall and chris paul right now guys. Who are john wall. We don't even know what he's going to be. What what he's going to look like. But he's got an albatross of a contract that made him virtually that made him virtually untradeable or at least something in terms of helping a franchise. The shooting rockets with john. Wallace duck but washington wizards with russell westbrook in. His contract are stuck chris. Paul with the phoenix suns. Short-term are stuck. Because no one's going to be looking to be chris paul where he's going to be making forty seven million dollars at the age of thirty seven trade value is going to be nothing when russell westbrook thirty five years old. And he's going to be making forty something million dollars. How can you build a team around something like that. That's going to be harden and a couple of years. Whatever team he goes to whether it be philadelphia whether it be brooklyn where it's going to be. Just make sure that you know what you're getting it that you know you might get the james harden for year or two or three. That's going to be wonderful. But what you're going to have james harden for another five six seven years in the first two or three years might be great but what's going to happen in the back end of that contract similarly to what the anaheim angels able. They signed albert pool halls to a ten year contract similar to what the seattle mayor did when they signed robinson cano to attend your contract. He signed his big term contracts. And there's like the first couple of years are going to be magnificent but what's going to happen in the final four five years will. He's not even be worth nearly the amount of money that you're being paid. But he's being paid seeing the saints with james harden so superstar ultimate superstar empowerment. Some players have demanded it. They get it and they're the worthy of it but be careful. Be careful houston. Be careful with that. Maybe a rack luke milk. When does sports. I'm your host one wallis so glad that you could be with us. A lot of things going down in the world sports speaking about the james harden situation speaking about james harden in his player empowerment. I loved it. They look man. You know what people want to sit there and winding winding complain and moan and all that type of situation situation where they're talking about james harden he's doing this he's doing that and i can't believe this nike believe that lebron got killed for cat killed for that for a long time in fact he still does not as much as when i went out and said i'm taking my talents to south beach. And how dare he go ahead and manipulate the system to where dwayne wade and chris bosh or playing with them and this is wrong. This is horrible these teams and these guys now getting together on the same team and creating these super teams and there's no loyalty any more players don't have any type of connection and on anything like that which is which is complete bullshit because really for a lot of these guys for the superstar talents. Yeah without question of your top. Three top four top player yet. You get that type of treatment you get. You know when. I say jump you say how high treatment but the majority of these players there. At the whims of the owners of the franchise the franchise wants to trade. You it doesn't really matter. What your thoughts and feelings about. It is a lot of these players and one of these guys play on. These teams have charities. They've built a good relationship with the community. And they love playing and their children and their wives loving and their children are going to school. And they're embedded well in the community and a teams as well. Guess what we're going to send you to the worst team or we're going to send you the sacramento. We're gonna send you to a place where you really don't want to go. That player has no say in the matter at all. Remember the rar dhamar rosen. The marta rosen when he was playing with the toronto raptors. And you know there was talking about. Hey you know what leonard you know. The raptors are telling them to san antonio kawhi leonard for damore roles and trade and some other things and dhamar went up to sign a jury and was like. Oh you treated me any other and you side looked at me and looked at them right in the face and said no way no way. No how no way and at the time. D'amato absolutely loved playing in toronto. And after the whole tracy. Mcgrady vince carter fiasco when those guys did everything humanly possible to get themselves out of toronto to be traded. And when chris bosh couldn't wait at a free agent to get out of toronto there we had actually have a player of substance. Who said no. I love it up here i just love playing for the raptors loved community a loved the country. Love everything about it. I want to retire. Guys timing to a five year one hundred and twenty eight billion dollar contracts so you show your loyalty now want to show my loyalty this then the other and the steelers musalia. Jerry looked them in the face and basically lied to them about no. There's no the no truth to the rumor or no truth. This juror. god. You're going to stay here and everything like that. I man was traded to san antonio as quickly as 'skin be and tomorrow's than ever saying it at all so the player empowerment and other types of things. Yeah i don't blame players at all. Want to sit there and say you know what this shit ain't working out. It's time for me to go. I tell you what and for folks who are sitting up there talking about. I can't believe this. What anthony davis was still wrong. It's so horrible and these guys would come out and say they wanna be traded. That if i'm a fan base while i wish that there was a way for you guys to stay with the team because you you know because we love watching your play and you give us the best chance to win and everything i would rather have a player come up to me and say hey look. I don't wanna play her anymore. I really wanna go somewhere else are preferred to go this team. But i want to let you know that when my time is up whether it be this near the end of the season at the end of the season or next season. I'm just here to let you know that. I'm not i'm not gonna sign. I'm not resigning with the team. So you guys do what you need to do. I just want to let you know that. I'm looking to go somewhere else. If kevin durant will ever done that now i think that he his my wasn't made up. Until the hampton. Five of staff. And clay and steve kerr and of those guys came up. Convinced him to go to the golden state warriors. But if kevin durant had any type of inkling even with even that last year where oklahoma should have beaten the warriors in the western conference finals. Kevin durant have been like at the beginning of the season. Hey look you know. This is the last year my contract and i'm not staying. I'm not gonna stay. I appreciate everything that oklahoma did. And i think the organizations wonderful in my teammates are great. But you know. I'm i'm living in oklahoma city another oklahoma city. I've kind of outgrown oklahoma city. I have a place in la. I have a place somewhere else looking to kind of expand my horizons and looking into look in the more comma politics. Whatever the reason. I'm just not really interesting. I'm not gonna resign. If kevin durant will have let the oklahoma city thunder know that. Then maybe there won't be the possibility for them to do something to make a better decision. Are we just going to ride this out. Do what we need to do. Try to get the championship. But then say you know it was later or are we going to knowing that kevin durant is not going to be reciting to go ahead and do we plan for the future we trade them and we get some assets and bring something back because oklahoma city locked in for nothing and oklahoma city still hasn't recovered from losing kevin durant. So would it be better for a player the say. Hey look i'm not coming back trade me because i don't wanna play her anymore or you rather have him say nothing. And then at the end of the season he bolts for nothing. So those those are the situations in terms of at least with james harden. Let's change showing the rockets look. I'm not reciting. I don't want i don't wanna play here anymore. So let's see what we can do to help you out to help me out. So heartless hard had expressed interest in a desire to play in brooklyn or philadelphia. He would also be open to joining the milwaukee bucks or the miami heat. What the medal of the lakers and the clippers that you haven't come around to then yet. I think the most realistic team. That make trade for james would be philadelphia. I really do. I don't think the brooklyn nets in fact. According to the sheriff's alania the rockets reportedly wallet. Either kevin durant or kyrie irving in talks with the brooklyn nets concerning trade for james harden. And if they couldn't either katie or kyrie than the rockets aren't interested in the deal at all. That would be suicide even to bring it to any wants attention. Could you imagine the brass for the brooklyn nets going up to kevin durant toggle about. Yeah i know that you came here because of a kyrie irving but if we traded him for james harden how you feel about that or going to kyrie irving saying hey look. I know that you played were wanting to play with kevin durant but the gadgets towards achilles. We don't know what type of player he's gonna be. We get a chance to get james harden. What's your thoughts and feelings about that. Even if they even if they broach that that topic to of those two guys either way any way possible as thin skin in as weird as curry and katie. Are you that brooklyn experiment as far the katie and carry. That shit would be over. Even before. I got a chance to grow and see what will happen and you went to any one of those guys and even broach the idea you think. Do you think if we gave up k. D. and you played with james harden. You think it would be better. I mean you know. We're on the phone word talking to the rockets right now and they said no deal for james harden leslie we either get. You are k. d. And we really like you. So what's your thoughts about katie. I mean it would just be. It just wouldn't work the milwaukee bucks. Don't make any sense for the houston rockets number one. I think you like well. You know this is not gonna sign and you need to train them somewhere. We've james harden you can have james harden for two more years than lead. You get something for nothing but you know that. The walking show shuttle their bullets were. They went ahead and got themselves jrue holiday. So the only thing that they could do with with the With the bucks in rockets. The only thing they could do to have the same package that they had for a bogdonovich in adding khris middleton. And that's not gonna work. I don't see james harden teaming up with the miami heat. According to multiple reports the heat and the rockets have reportedly discussed a trade for harden and according to greats sly slightly under slide. Dander a five c five reasons sports that ten times the heat have yet to include hero tyler. Huron any trade offers for speaking about james harden here so you know this is a situation where it's been reported that biennium had trade conversations rally james harden but up to this point neither the heat or the buck or the rockets have come to any type of package like i said for miami standpoint. They're like charlie hero was untreatable. James harden the heat will have to get would have to you know would need about thirty. Three million is salary. Contracts for hardens package. So you speaking about andrea wool dollar. Kelly olynyk tyler. A hero kendrick. Nunn duncan robinson. Bama w is off the table because of the nba poison pill restriction. Which means that if you signed a player to a contract extension during his rookie contract that take the whole calendar year before they become eligible for trade so because of that maller is not eligible for any type of trade. So that just leaves us. What the philadelphia. Seventy sixers so. A possible trailer looked by. James harden for ben simmons tearing ferguson a twenty twenty one first round draft pick in the twenty twenty three first round draft. Pick which would get somewhere close. But if you're philadelphia. Are you really going to trade ben simmons just yet twenty four years old. He's very nice. Contract for a guy as i mentioned before who you're going to have for at least five or six years and the last couple of years might not look pretty. I mean how could work with joel embiid. We've seen doc rivers go hot and cold. In terms of his relationship with superstar players. Rajon rondo was weird. But he's not james harden weird. So it's like okay. Doc and rondo had a pretty good relationship. Rondo was with the celtics but james harden sale is in a space all to himself there. How would that work. And how would that dynamic work between james harden and joel embiid so no internal moral general moi's degenerate jila mandatory right now so he's the guy that drafted harden it years ago and he gave them the superstar empowerment. And it's almost a situation where we'll wait a minute if philadelphia says thanks but no thanks because of the fact that james harden's thirty one. Ben simmons is twenty four. Simmons could be janas the type of player if he could ever learn to shoot a three pointer not become three point proficient but dale this guy to learn how to shoot a eighteen nineteen footer. A fifteen footer. Guys had the ball handling skills in the imagination and creativity in the skill to get to the rim and set things up for others or to score himself he could be a youngest pupo light also he plays really good defense. He had defensively type of intel attributes. And i mentioned before he's under contract of your philadelphia even before seen we can do with joel and ben at the cornerstones of your team with doc rivers. Nba championship coach. Guiding the way. Are you going to give that up already for james harden but then again you're any other issue any of the teams that are looking to trade a dark horse team. Maybe a new york knick team maybe a denver nuggets team. Anybody who james harden had the mention. Who might be thinking about getting into james harden sweepstakes if daryl morey turns down the opportunity to have james harden in the organization. What does that say. If i'm for instance the gm for the denver nuggets or the new york knicks or the chicago bulls is like well. Wait a minute if the guy who drafted who traded for him and did everything for him if he's not gonna take him and we the relationship between james. Darrell should be a lot stronger than anybody else that he could have a relationship with why in the world then we gonna go ahead and Gillum sell those are just as the thing about concerning. James harden window world and sports. I'm your host to wallace. So glad you could be with us. Paul george Contract with the la clip bales through the twenty twenty four twenty five season now according to espn augean. Roggin hausky georgia's signed maximum contract extension with a teen sense that going to make him two hundred and twenty six million dollars through the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five season and his current salary. The season is going to be thirty. Five point five zero. George was talking about. Hey you know what. I wanna stay clipper. I want to retire that then. Well you know. He got himself a deal now. He said that before when he signed an extension with the oklahoma city thunder and then a year later he was talking about his time to trade me. I think it's a lot different. You always wanted to get back to la he fling with a guy in hawaii. Leonard that i think that he has that he likes to play with more if you're speaking about whether he would rather play with quiet limited or before when he was playing with russell westbrook oklahoma and i also think that the clippers have the have a better opportunity to a championship. Make it to the championship finals. Dan when he was with the oklahoma city thunder in of course again the money that he's going to be making living in la his home his home. State kinda hard to turn down. So that's the news now. Tend to talk about the georgetown. Hoyas where we're just going to be blowing in the wind. Oh man see things sale last into all stuff. Miami one those sports. I'm your host wonder wallace so glad that you can be with us. We are descending on this podcast. Please put your seatbelt on. Please have your seat. In the upright position tray table should be seated up because we are going down down down toward the end of this podcast. But the ride. Daryl is going to be just so doug on wonderful. Let me start right there by georgetown hoyas average week with loss possible opportunities moving forward the season no matter how long this basketball season lasts. I think by next power kept going to address. The words that might shefty was talking about in terms of. Hey look you know what we need to put a stop to the season and kind of reevaluate and move on. I don't think that she's shefty will say that because his team lost to illinois there to to cover stuff my only thing. I would have to dispute with. Coach is as much money as college. Basketball churns out and needs to make especially when you speaking about the ncaa tournament. I think you have a discussion. After you cancel or you postpone the season a little bit the powers that be only gonna come back and say yeah. We need to start the season. They don't give a damn about these players. Catch come on now. That's what i'm gonna argue. You don't think the ncaa really gives a damn about these players to make the money. We were already seen football. How that is such a fallacy. But i'll give him that a little bit later on but Speaking about the georgetown hoyas lost to number eleven ranks west virginia on sunday afternoon. Eight hundred seventy one for the game. Georgetown shot forty percent from the field. Twenty five or sixty two eleven thirty from the three point line which is around thirty six percent. The mountaineers on the other hand shot forty percent. Twenty six of sixty four from the field six seventeen from the three point line during the game. Many people are sitting there talking about. Oh man this is great. This is wonderful we hang. We hunt the olympic team. And you know within six minutes of the game that we were shouting distance of winning and we have a chance to win the miss opportunity and what color season be if we would've won. Look man i mean. The season is not about that. The of knowledge about that love. We played what julia well. Each team had forty three rebounds with virginia. Had thirteen inch rebound. But it wasn't by much turnovers. That killed us in the in turnovers but jordan turnover battle. Fifteen to five west. Virginia had twenty one points off those turnovers paul game but i i don't really care about winning and losing the season and don't care that we play toe to toe with number number one team in the country for fifty five minutes. I don't care number. One watching a basketball game be honest. Georgetown fans and i'm bigger georgetown fan. I think ninety nine point eight percent of these people listening to my podcast or even walking. This planet look west. Virginia knew it was gonna win the game eddie. They knew that they didn't have to play with the maximum effort and intensity to beat us and the way they played in the first half was almost a situation like yeah. We left our intensity. We left our passion in spokane where we played the number one ranked team in the country. Gonzaga's we played them tough so now we have to go from that to play you guys. We're not going to be given the same amount of effort. We're not going to be giving the same amount of energy. We're not going to be as focused or as intense because we know that when we put it up another level to try a little bit harder. We know we're going to win because we know you guys don't have the talent we know you guys don't have what it takes to beat us so there was never any point in the game which i thought that it was like. Wow man we're gonna have a chance to win this game. I knew what west virginia said. Okay fuck it time to put this game away. They would they. Did i a rotation for the game tomorrow. Pick picket at thirty minutes. Jabbar blair had thirty eight minutes. This is against west. Virginia jalen hurts at thirty minutes. Cutest what hap- will have at twenty three minutes. Don carey had thirty five minutes. Those were the stars and then dante harassed freshman ten minutes timothy eagle hefei who thankfully didn't play against compensate has seventeen minutes and judy a bowel had eighteen minutes. Those players who will be moving forward the foundation forward or dante heiress a hair down. Kerry the rest of those guys. I could give a fuck about picking blair. Those guys have been with the program for four years. I wanted to see those guys do well and everything but look man is. It's not about the season players who didn't played kobe. Clarence mp jabbar typically come holloway. tj burger. I wanna see those guys play. That's i would rather see. I would rather lost with toby. Clark dante is tomorrow. Typically colored holloway. Tj burger seeing somewhere anywhere between five and fifteen minutes from each one of those guys. Maybe not simply. He didn't look ready yet. But i wanna see kobe. Clark play. i will see colin holloway. Play after top state game. I want to see. tj burger. Get an opportunity. Give him some minutes coach. See what they can do. put them in a rotation. let him go through the fire. Who cares we lose by five or fifty is a loss as a loss. We're not making the ncaa tournament we're not sniffing the ncaa tournament. We're not close to participate in the tournament. We're not even close leaving giving getting a sniff of the nit. We're not any good. We're not any good. We're not any good. So why are we playing the season like we're trying to make the final four. Why are we playing all these seniors. Why are we playing the vile so much. Why are we playing jalen harris so much what we wanna win. Who cares about willing to season coach unless you go up. Twenty five and have a complete. The bockel coach told you and you're not going anywhere. This season is all about building the foundation for next season. That's what i want. I don't mind demarco and japan. Playing you know big minutes it'll mind. Jalen hair's getting solid minutes but man fuck bile man. He's come on now. I wasn't dante harris more. I wanna see. Tj burger more. The bay team off the bench gets compensate in looked like he could shoot a three pointer outside of jamarcus when giovanni who else on the team looks like they can do that. Don kerry made a three pointer. I think in a couple of days or a couple of games. I wanna see these guys play. I don't care about winter losses coast you and is out there again. It's almost like it's almost like the. Jv coach in high school where the gbi coach's coaching like. He's trying to win the nba championship. So he might play the. Jv juniors the large amount of time and then the freshman the software sophomore to need the minutes who need the reps who need to gain experience. They're sitting on the bench because the juniors on the jv team like the ones who are going to you know. Give the team a better opportunity to win the jv game and the varsity coach comes to the assistant coaches says. What the fuck are you doing one. Point four guys who are going to be senior year that i have no use for play. The freshman play the software. Play the big kid. Play the seven. Kids can barely walk and chew gum. But by the time he gets to be a junior and on inputs on the varsity uniforms. He's going to be six ten. I need him ready to play. Well you know six seven. He can barely walk and chew gum at the same time. Yeah that's why he's on the jv team and that's why he's sippy getting thirty minutes a game. Because i want him out there getting ready to play. Why are we playing to the vile so many minutes widened playing jalen harris so many minutes put in kobe court. Put him jabbari sibley pulling colin holloway pulling tj burger and let them get their asses kicked but at least they'll learn at least they'll get their experience at least they'll grow hopefully especially in the season where we don't know how many games we're going to be able to play because of kobe. We've already had to change sunday's game between us yukon. Yukon hasn't been able to play yet because of kobe related issue. So now then saint. John's is gonna come in and play on sunday. What for us to win. We're gonna have those guys are freshman not play again. Play the play the freshman coach. Please what good is it. Going to be next season when we have matombo and billingsley jordan riley and tj. Those guys foundation sure but they need the fab five. Minnows guys are three and four. Star recruit state. What duke brings in on a regular basis or kentucky brings in regular basis. Those guys aren't going to be able to step up and be able to lead our team into any type of postseason play just on their own. And we don't have kobe clark or simply or holloway or tj. Burger the experience. What are you gonna do you go on transfer portal three other seniors. They're gonna dominate all the military. Please bomb blair and jamarcus picking the come back for another year so they could take more time away from these guys who should be growing with the program so you can try to reach five hundred. Come on coach coast. You and i love you not believe in your eye swollen. See toby clark play. Will they give they. Don't give it the best opportunity to win. I don't care. I don't care. They will give us the best opportunity to win next year. We guess what to arm blair. Jalen harris demarco picking and choosing ballard. They're get these young guys a plan. Now against cop state they want. Eighty two forty. Eight compensate is a train wreck and a half demarco had nineteen points. Eighteen rebounds giovane had twenty two points at their final non conference game of the year before play syracuse killing to the under a media break jordan behind eighteen seventeen and i already committed eleven turnovers jeez liberty flips but they turned it around copying one on the street where they had like thirteen. Fourteen three-point shots. Georgetown got the game. Get together a little bit. Let thirty eight twenty three at halftime and then in the second half. They tend to roll competence. Terrible kappen is horrible. At least in the game this georgetown. They were awful. They couldn't shots they couldn't have free throws that was a bad bad h. b. c. You school band basketball program. The one dixon. That is a bad bad bad basketball and those guys hung with duke for a little bit. Who don't know. I don't know but it was good. It was good to see judea. Have a decent game. It was good to see jabari simply get again with eight minutes to go. It was good to see colin holloway. Come in at the five minutes mark. It was good to see dante here. Hit a couple of baskets and score for the first time this season. Tj burger came in as i mentioned before the under four minute timeout and he came in and knocked in sight. Three in in the growth to the basket for a lay up with the shot clock running down and look beating the scrubs compensate. Doesn't mean that the tj burger should be playing like meaningful meaningful minutes. But damn i tell you one thing shot look pretty good the one time he shot the ball but he knew what he was doing but he had actually shot a three pointer before again. I'll say demarco outside of japan blair namie someone on the team that can do that. This team has no offensive talent. None nobody on the team can get to the hoop army. Nobody we don't have any shock. Creators devante shot creator. Only with a step back three. He can't take anybody off the dribble tomato. Can't take anybody off the dribble. Jalen harris can take anybody off the dribble. Don't they look like he has the opportunity or yet talent. The possibly someday be able to do that but right now he doesn't have the skill set or the experience to do so down. Cheriton have the athleticism to get to the hope and finish cuba's while hob is still a work in progress. He's still more thinking than reactionary. He's still learning the game of basketball timothy ego hefei and nothing more than a rebounders shot blocker and a guy who's gonna commit a lot of thousand about twelve fifty minutes of action. There's nobody on this team. That can score the ball on their own. There's nobody nobody can break down the defense team. Nobody can score around the basket. Nobody can finish around the basket with any type Consistency it's going to be a long here and when you have a team like villanova who knows are set you know. The horn action knows everything. That patrick ewing runs in. I'm quite sure we're going to get belts pretty well on sunday unless you know. Villanova sleep walks throughout the game normally beaches by eighteen. But the you know if villanova comes in and does what they need to do they're gonna destroy us. So are we going to play. Tj burger. We gonna sit. Tj burger and all those guys with nine minutes ago in a game when we're losing by thirty six or just say fuck it man go out there. And what's taboo guys. Bari and colin holloway. And those guys who are supposed to be the players who are going to help revive the program eventually in a couple of seasons. Let's go out there and get that started already. Let's start building foundation or are we going to continue to play judy. Gabriel timothy ego. Fa while you know jeremiah. Robinson earl and colin villanova. you know. Make fools of us which they're going to be doing anyway but you know they're going to be doing that while we're going to be down by twenty seven so let's just i don't know man was i'm i. I wanna see georgetown do well. Goodness gracious against coppa. State me at twenty six turnovers twenty six twenty six twenty six turnovers against a really bad mia school twenty six turnovers and those turnovers were. The one would be just kinda yell at the tv. Like what the fuck are you doing. You don't wanna do but my boys go. Yes what the fuck are you doing. You see even kill. That was what the fuck would you do it. But when i my mind. Voice does allow love down. That's what i'm really upset. Finally kid what the fuck are you doing that would be. My ideal baffling head-scratching. These guys didn't play high school basketball type of turnovers. That's what those guys are. Doing is way out of control forcing the action type passes tight coverages right next to each other here. Told he's throwing passes. John elway would be envious of in terms of its philosophy. He at six turnovers. Driven blair had six turnovers. Cuba's what have had four turnovers because he still doesn't know what to do with the double team. Demarco pick that three turnovers because he still wants to try to get to the basket which he can't don play twenty eight minutes. He was only two for over four from the three point line and bought up. By the way we compensate by thirty two so again villanova's ranked number nine in the country. The foreign one justin more sophomore from jamaica high school. You can come back home and put a hooper done us jeremiah. Arabas and earl is a guy who's probably is probably gonna be drafted if not the season the next season. He's going to be a first round draft pick what hob or picked it as good a garden either way. He's going to have them for breakfast lunch and dinner and in between meals. The team doesn't have a senator on the on the on the roster if you speaking about villanova taller players robinson earl and swindlers swipe sweater sweater. I don't know the guy who six nine comes off the bench. They're both six nine. Quite george ewing is going to try to force beat cutest wa which is gonna lead to bad shots which is going to lead to foul trouble and it's gonna lead to falc is going to turn over foul troubles and bad shot from a hob so timothy ego. Happy to come in. I don't i don't know he's going to be picked up. A lot of ewing might play small. I mean he might go a two-day. Jim marco don japan and jalen but i don't think that if you're marco is gonna have to be the guy that's going to be garden robinson for the majority of the of the game in whatever other guy that come off the bench at the power forward center position. I don't think that Demarco could be able to stay out of foul trouble so this is going to be a beatdown of pretty good proportion top. Three scores are all guards or three of their top. four scores. Are all guards. Cullen gillespie more caleb daniel so alumni hoyas but is like i accept an aspen. I don't mind an open especially this year. We're not playing in front of crowds. We don't know what the season's gonna look like. The future remains positive with the player that we have coming in but man we want to start going head. Start this machine roller forward in terms of what we can be come on coach again. We have to start playing our young players a little bit more. I'm not in practice. I don't know nearly. I don't know i don't know anything as far as basketball is concerned compared to you. I admit i admit it. You know that program so much better than i do your practices. I get all of the things. But i just wish i just wish even if it means getting our asses kicked i just wish that we could get from true reps for the guys are freshmen. Who are going to be the foundation for the turnaround. When it comes son we like to do body. Love song is a song that a girl took away from. Good friend of mine this girl. She just took us all. I'm still going to do it anyway. What do off one of the world's your host one wallace. Glad you could be. What does very quickly talk about. My specification. For december tenth of fifty seventh of thirty anniversary of the deaths of sam cooke and otis redding people talk about the day. The music died when ricky balance and the big bopper and buddy holly when their plane crashed in iowa. Let me tell them the day. The music died could be plural. In terms of the day's music died and progress for the black community and society was slowed halted shattered any way that you want to put when the debts of sam cooke in otis reading happened december eleventh nineteen sixty four sam coupled murdered at the hacienda hotel. Ninety one thirty seven south figaro in los angeles. he was shot three times in the chest. By the hotel's manager bertha franklin the authorities ruled cook's death a case of justifiable homicide based on the testimony of franklin who claim that the cult that coke had threatened her life after attempting to rape a young woman with whom he had earlier checked in. That is complete in other bullshit. That is complete in other nonsense. As far as tim cope trying to this woman. Elissa boyer who was a prostitute at the time saying at a club. He got into ferrari still going home to his wife. He decided to go to a motel and south figueroa bad part of town so we goes and checks in the a room. Sam coke then takes office closed leaves. It's close in the in the bedroom or in the hotel room while he goes to the bathroom and closes the door. Now if you're going to rape somebody you're holding someone against their will as miss boyer was talking about in court which she was saying oh she was saying oh. Please take me home. Please take me home and he was saying. Don't worry baby. we're gonna have some fun. We're going to do this. And i was just pleading. Take me home. I was just so scared. And the other and he pinned me down and all this type of stuff he took on my dress and everything like that so say was going to do all that then all of a sudden he was going to get up after he took off his clothes. Deadly close there with his wallet is is car keys and there's go into the bathroom and then closed door and then go to the bathroom. What i've never heard anybody who was going to rape somebody go ahead and do that. So what really happened was there was no like oh my goodness i would being held against my will know at least a boy and she had a history of doing this where she would pick up a john. They go to a place they would take off. The guy will take off his clothes. She would rob him take his wallet take his money and then leave with his close so the guy couldn't pursue and that was her. That was her deal. That was her. That was her hustle. So that's what she did say. Oh yes am cool great. everything's fine. they got in. He went to the bathroom after he took off his clothes. She took off with his money with his with his clothes. And we'll certainly malley with but ball naked except for socks shoes in a in a trench coat or in a in a suit jacket and everything else was gone so in enrich he went looking for this girl. He thought that the girl lisa boyer was in cahoots. What the hotel manager bertha franklin. He goes pounding on the door and break the door down to get tax Bertha franklin franklin fear for life took out a gun show three times. The last thing he said in his life would lady. You shot me. He hit him over the head with a broomstick and that was the end of sand. Cook fucked up way to die horrible way to die. He had a wife in home who he didn't like due to the fact that he held her responsible for the drowning of their infant son. Vincent i mean in in a case i kinda don't blame him due to the fact that she didn't do it on purpose but you know they lived in a place where they had a pool and she lost track of this infant. Who you know wandered out to the pool and fell in. I mean how can you lose track of an infant or a baby for that amount of time. Just but december eleventh. That would happen. Samco life ended ninety. One thirty seven figueroa street in los angeles murdered at a three dollar a night hotel by some fucking bitch named bertha. Franklin then had the nerve to try to sue the cook family for you no pain and mental pain and anguish after everything that she went through. She moved back to move to a michigan because he received me death rates and everything so she moved to michigan where she died in nine hundred seventy hope. That bitch is burning in hell but Lose the boy is still around as of twenty nineteen. She's still around. She's very old a couple of years after she After this incident. Or i think in nineteen seventy or seventy two. So we're speaking about six or eight years. After this cooking. She was sentenced to fifteen years for manslaughter for killing her boyfriend. So this woman did stop. Didn't stop her hustle. After sia called the death had had a pardon. The death of sam cook but as a twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen. She's still around but you know she claims he suffers from dimension like. I don't know anything as art continue. What did five minutes ago let alone five decades ago. So there you go so basically also rotten hell whenever she gets there but Ah sam cooke. Which is awesome. Sam cook and i when i mentioned when i say that in terms of society changing to what he could do for the community in the positive way. Sam cook more than just a singer. More than along with. Ray charles and james brown one of the most influential these dishes and turn the who they influenced and elite part of the twenty first century. I mean this was a man. In sam cooke was be berry gordy before berry gordy him and j w alexander. We're gonna get along. We're going to go ahead. And they their own record label. Because when they signed with sony the because of all of the hits that sam had you send me a chain gang. All of those songs. That i was playing. Tony gave him carte blanche to do whatever he needed to do. And even though had manager allen klein was ripping him off blindly. San was still putting together. A a label to where you know. They were going to be able to do everything and you know he broke. Bobby womack and he brought some of his some of the folks that he would used to do concerts with internal. When he was on the gospel circuit he was on the gospel circuit with the soldiers for about ten years and finally started when the star with them. He was twenty seven when he was seventeen and twenty six. I mean you know you can only go so far back in the fifties when you're no gospel singer i'm you know go. You can only do that so many times before. You hit the ceiling. And sam wanted to breakthrough that ceiling. He wanted to be like nat king. Cole he wanted to be like harry belafonte. He saw what was happening with little richard and he saw what was happening with detectable and he saw what was happening with. Those guys and you saw what was happening with ray charles. And that's what he wanted to do new. We couldn't do that in the gospel genre in the gospel feel so he went ahead. Made a record called you. Send me with sold about a million plus albums and when high on the charleston for about seven years from nineteen fifty seven was death are being nothing but top it was nothing but hits after hits after hits after hits after hits so this was a man who was in high demand right before death. He went to the copa. Played at the copa rocked. It torn up and things were just opening up for. The man not only was going to be producer. Only not only going to be a guy that was going to be an arranger a writer or record producer in a businessman and all those type of things he was also starting to move into politics he was also starting to move into getting what the struggle in the civil rights movement. He was interested. And what malcolm x. was talking about he. was you know connecting with then caches. Clay was actually had you know. Hey hey the gang's all here. We're gonna have some fun. When ali then cassius clay. You know saying that. That was sam cooke. Who produced put all that together. So i mean this was a man where you know. The white establishment was starting to take notice of this guy because he was starting to really become that ban a black power. A black power and black and fluids and with that influence he was going to help out the community with an influence with that empowerment. He was gonna give those of the downtrodden. He was gonna give those of the less fortunate he was gonna give those who at the time. Were legally all press the ability to do what he did. In the bring those people out of poverty and the bring those people into some financial security and then bring those people and to a betterment of education to so they can improve themselves. So you're doing that through your works with the black community that can only help all of those community because of course when the black community. I know why. I don't believe this. A lot of folks don't believe this but guess what when the black community striving and doing well even if it was to integrate what the white community. The white community is not going to suffer suffer. The white community is only going to grow. And especially back in the sixties. At the time the late fifties early to mid sixties saying cook with doing was revolutionary because most black artists got robbed in terms of what they did. Elvis was taken a whole lot of the black folk. Folkestone him the bastard. Tom a colonel parker with you know take all written by black folks am steal it and then elvis would get all the credit you know. You ain't nothing but a hound always was sung by big mma big mama ray thornton or something like that but there's just a bunch of songs that were written by black boys which elvis stole meijima international superstar that bullshit about him being the king of rock and roll. Fuck you you stupid ass. Mother fuckers who were actually dumb enough to believe that bullshit rock and roll soul music that was created by blackbox black blackbox. So that other bullshit about elvis. Be the king a rock roll. Elvis presley didn't write one mother fucking song. You're gonna call that motherfucker king rock role. How stupid are you to believe some bullshit like that. Good singer very talented got. Nothing is as a talent but elevate him to the king of rock and roll. Which means he's gonna be in higher regard than such luminaries such geniuses such groundbreaker such innovators at ray charles. And jackie wilson and little richard and otis redding and marvin gaye and in all those guys. Get the fuck outta here. Get the fuck out here. And sam cooke was one of those guys charter member of the of the rock and roll hall of fame when it was first introduced in nineteen eighty seven. He was also awarded posthumously. The lifetime achievement granny award so he will songwriter. He was a label owner. He was a performer. Guy was man and he was going to be doing great things. And you talked about the artist that he influenced you toma oldest reading marvin gaye aretha. Franklin al green curtis mayfield. The beatles rod stewart. Stevie wonder i mean everybody son melt motown smokey robinson. All of those guys are sitting there talking about you. Know for us Sam cooke with the man. I mean you could hear it. Especially with someone. Like smokey robinson in terms of you could hear it especially with someone like marvin gaye the walk. The sam cooke influence so there was nobody. I think secular music. But the -ception may be ray charles and term the who was a bigger influence for the music going forward in the artist. Moving forward then. Sam cooke. They were the foundation in the major influencers of today's modern music. So it was just a damn shame so when we're speaking about not speaking about why every december tenth eleventh whatever. We need to recognize sam cook. Because that's how important sam cooke is. That's how important sam cooke was. That's how important sam cooke still remains. Today wendell's world is sports. Yes sports i'm your host wonder wallace. Okay great for you to be with us. Let me begin with my hero. Let me end with my man. Let me end with a guy named otis. Redding low myself really told relationship about himself in the folks stack studios extremely inspiring. I think for me the way. I live my life in terms of the relationships that i build You could just take a local see. The correlation between the relationship that otis redding head was such guys on bucatini. Mg the greatest house band ever lived. We're speaking about booker. T jones esteem colonel cooper and donald duck dunn and al jackson junior the relationship but those guys had with though with him oldest reading and the relationship that those guys booker. T. booker t. L. jackson duck. Done steve troppo with those guys. Had in terms of a friendship turned of unity and turned up togetherness. We're speaking about a time in memphis tennessee where nothing was created everything was segregated and yet we have two white guys who are two black is coming together in just jamming and just playing great music and becoming a family and becoming you know those things make became. The great friends family did because of the type of people that they were in the play that they played in the connections that they had again at a time. Where you know what white state over here. Black were down there. Those guys in a black ghetto were stack. Studio was came in there. And they create a great music and otis came in there and was part of that family and Those those guys from brothers so for me. When i like to live my life and term the way i live my life and turned the my friendship in terms of the relationship. They cultivate and everything like that is based on the oldest reading booker. t jones l. jackson junior donald duck dunn david porter isaac hayes that family that was stack studios. I don't know why no one had made a movie about that yet. But even if it's something like the five heartbeats were robert townsend was loosely based on the temptations or something like dreamgirls which was loosely. Based on a motown. I don't know why someone hasn't come up with a loosely based deal concerning otis redding and the folks that he recorded bucatini james. Those are the ones that gave him. The opportunity wouldn't be another running without those guys. What else tax do deals and much of a bad euro talented jim stewart had the odor stacks. He gave them the opportunity oldest camp there one afternoon one evening. Go ahead and record. He was rhody for john jenkins. The guy went from maton georgia oldest part of the journey. Jason spam jenkins with chuck berry. Wannabe those guys went from macon georgia drove from georgia. All the way up to memphis tennessee and got out and he was unloading the equipment and everything. Those guys look was those musicians and everything. We're looking at him talk. This guy is not the buonarroti ever heard of him with any other. Johnny jenkins started the recording session. Nothing really came out of it and all throughout this is all throughout the session was up their segment. I can sing i sing. Hey yell i can sing. I can sing so finally l jackson. Just want to. steve cropper. Who was kind of leading the session and he was like. Hey man you do me a favor. This motherfucker over here is just talking about i. Can sing can sing. And this guy's getting on my last nerves could you just. We got a little time left. Can you just humor this. Guide them on the microphone. Let them so. We can get the hell out of here. I got a gig tonight over at the plantation in my other job so i just don't have time to be listened to this guy talking about. I think. Just go ahead and do that for me. So they look for otis oldest saying these arms of mine in was kind of like whoa. Hello we got something here. Offered him a contract in a way he went in terms of his career for oldest and it was something where it would just built brick by brick. He had to white managers. Phil and alan walden. Who helped him immensely. In terms of off the When not making music here with the guys dabbled in real estate here. The guys who brought who bought himself a big all the state over in round oak You know so. Had influences in macon georgia in nashville tennessee to bury segregated areas. Where his friendship where he'd love for each other. There were both black and white so there was no segregation anywhere in oldest relatives life. Now we had speedo sims and he had other guys with them who were from the neighborhood. Who were from dawson georgia. Who were from the project were otis. Redding grew up in those were his boss and everything like that but this wasn't inclusive in terms of use was respectful to who we cared for and triggered friends and everything they came from all races basis shaved complacent so again. Wanna know. why are otis redding so much. You know one another reason why i love otis redding so much you wanna know why revere oldest reading so much as because that hard work dedication just a commitment to his craft always working always improving working hard you know. He got rich basically by building building. He didn't have a hit record right off the bat you know. He kept building and building. He went from pain in my heart to. I can't turn you lose respect to try a little tenderness to security me. He just kept building building. None of these songs were top. Ten hits or something like that he didn't have but what he did was he just kept building and he just kept brian. He just kept being on the road and he just kept getting better and longer. The boise grind the more popularity. He got to where he got to the point. Where now all of the sudden you know. He was making top dollar from appearing and performing and so then we went overseas and he was a huge hit london in england in over in europe. To where the stax volt tour went. Nineteen fifty seven where they just tore up the place. i mean. it's unbelievable him. salmon day. Kala thomas eddie floyd isaac as the bar keys the markeith. I mean it was just amazing but those guys did they weren't playing stadiums or anything like that but everywhere. They went these white kids in england. These white kids sweeten these white kids in norway white kids in paris france. They love the guy. They're incredible they. Go off the plane. In england the beatles had limos for those guys blown away to the believer. These guys actually heard of us the tax. These guys actually know that. We're this big of a deal. Couldn't believe it too hard work through determination through dedication through just fighting. That's what it's all about. The last six months life he was right fucking there man was right there with he was willing to break. L. stars at the boundary pop festival for the fifty thousand people. Where he is his career was gonna take another step forward a couple of step forwards fifty thousand hippies. Both of them didn't even here. They have never even heard the guy when he went monterrey in the summer of nineteen sixty seven near midnight kim on blasted out shout. Try a little tinnitus respect. All of the. I've been i've been loving you too long. I've been loving you too long. To stop now. Blew away and he had to hurry up. It was like look. We're gonna have to india. We're at the end the first day by midnight. We're gonna give you about six or seven minutes. Go and he that thing up the mark he had the bar cade partly booker t on the stage with them and i mean he was jim. Jim jim it in. That crowd was just mesmerized. At were jackson said good. Lord felt like we ran over them with a mack truck. The way we came out in the way we just hit him with our music in the way we just hit them with ourselves the way hold its hidden what their soul just up lifted them. They just couldn't believe they'd never heard anything like that. They were going crazy. So as the monory festival took his career off and open up a whole new bunch of doors known all new avenues. So the ninth october. He was drone elvis presley at the year's top mill vocalist in a pool by the british music magazine melody maker. Which at the time was a huge deal and then moving on there was gonna be things like he. Had appears is coming up on the ed sullivan and jelly carson shows. He was going to do a duet with the franklin that those two were going to be doing do duet album. There was talking about him going on christmas trip. The vietnam to entertain the troops and sixty. There was a discussion about otis redding and marvin gaye going on tour together. It was going to be like southern soul versus northern soul. All of those things. I mean there are movie scripts that were coming for otis and television roles that he had the opportunity to do and he was also thinking about doing what sam cooke did taking 'em taking the torch the legacy of sam cook and he was going to be a guy that was gonna be a record owner in record producer. He was a guy that was going to open up a stacks type studio in macon georgia and he was going to be that guy who was going to bring in local talent and make them superstars or kali. Well he wrote. Do you like the music which was a version of year man by sam cook. He had arthur county he recorded. That wrote that with the connolly and that went as a big hit in the under on the puck. Charts two oldest. Had all of the stuff going for them and then in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Goddamn it god. Damnit december ten three twenty eight beechcraft which he bought seventy eight thousand. He had played. He had played a place in cleveland. And then what's on the show upbeat which was like another deal from american bandstand of you. Don't know what american based in its kids. Wikipedia is pretty good but he was on the upbeat show and he did a couple of saw trial alternativists respect to such and then the next day. He was to gonna fly out to madison. Wisconsin wisconsin to do a couple of gigs. The name gonna come back that next week to stacks and finish up song that he had written called if you heard it. It's called doc in the bay which is not one of my favorites. By the way. I love the old otis redding stuff where he was so full. Like back in the bay. But if you're talking about these are the mind trial a little tenderness and his version of cupid and his alternative version Day tripper am. Don't mess with cupid in old man trouble all of those songs i lot. I like a little bit more than sitting on the dial. Obey which i enjoy very much. Don't get me wrong but the soulful otis. I'm down with that. But he was gonna come back and even go to record that song but in a bar case went down plane went down elite late. Melanoma three twenty eight on a sunday afternoon and I was it. They found his body at the at the bottom of the Late the next day december. Tenth madison wisconsin and Everybody on that. Everybody that was in. That plane perished except for one member of the bark as ben cauley james alexandra the basis. They didn't have enough room for him on that plane. So we flew commercial. So those are the two survivors of the barricades. But everybody else. Carl cunningham the rest of those guys parents plane crash. What could have been what could have been so much respect. Much respect for otis redding. He was going to be the next ray. Charles atlantic had him. Set up the be nick charles in terms of what he was going while he was going to do he would really seriously thinking about leaving stax studios and because he had just outgrown those guys. I don't know how much it loyalty meant. I don't know what will have happened. I wasn't a rabble dina born in sixty eight sixty seven but something else may have something else. So as i mentioned before. It'll be interesting hoping i get to heaven whenever that beads whenever that is i hope if i meet lord i could be like. Can i just have five minutes with reading to ask him questions. Can i have like you know once again. Once i- reunite with my mom and dad family members my uncles my aunts. My grandparents had never met especially when wanna spend a lot of time with them wants to give up the heaven but could you lord could you carve out some time after all of that is done i mean i got i got the eternity do it. So i'm in no rush but connecticut have ten minutes with malcolm. Eight minutes with otis. Five minutes without the six minutes with sam three minutes with the donny. Hathaway can you give me a little bit the time because there's just things i'm dying to know i want having to say lord all right who really killed. Jfk that shit for real or what. Lord let me ask you a question who really killed Junior who was come on. It wasn't james earl rain right. It could have been couldn't have been and what would j edgar hoover's responsibility in this. Those are the things i'm inquisitive. Ask about when. I finally get to the pearly gates. If i'm gonna be lucky enough to be leading working on building my resume but yeah god bless you rest in peace to fabulous fabulous fabulous historical figures. Otis redding in Sam up that's about it ma'am. This was a long one but it was worth it. It was worth. It really enjoyed doing this. One talked about the nba talked about Georgetown talked about college. Football talked about black coaches not getting the chance to college football. Got a lot of stuff out of me. In terms of. I wanted to say that i wanted you to hear me. Say your thoughts and feelings and your opinions to each other. Take it to just take a little bit of what i gave you and take and see what you can do with it man moving forward but most definitely try to see what you can do about learning a little bit more about otis redding and certain my heroes. So i'm ending the program with the last This was oldest reading. Try a little tenderness. this was or he did this december nine nineteen sixty seven. Like i said the pitch. Oh in cleveland. And the next day i guess he had less than twenty four hour to live when he did this in those wonderful musicians that were behind him with the exclusion of two so try a little tenderness by the great. The wonderful the powerful the marvelous the unbelievable the brilliant always reading piece. She may be. We are young girls. They do get not a minister dress. What she gets in your yard never a just a yes. Certain got rid might be a little bit sentimental no no no curls love uh-huh best.

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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 164: Do We Care About Sellouts? Plus the Detroit 2 Review and Story of a Song

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GSMC Music Podcast Episode 164: Do We Care About Sellouts? Plus the Detroit 2 Review and Story of a Song

"I want to know the latest and hottest music hidden the airwaves. Be Left out, listen to the golden state media concepts, music podcasts issue on the loop with everything you need to know from. Rock hip. Top flooring and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists concert and tour dates and so much more listed no further because this is the gold standard music podcast. Thanks. Thank you for tuning into the GMC music podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. As always I'm your host Rory O. Tool. Hope you guys are doing well. It's been It's been a minute since last episode dropped. So lots been happening and music as always with the Internet there's always sounds being. Every hour. But. Today, we're GONNA go through. Not. Necessarily the biggest news but we will have a say kment that's called on my radar things that are catching my eye catch my attention at the moment. We're also going to get into Travis Scott. Collaboration let's say with McDonald's and what that means for the concept of selling out in the Europe our Lord Twenty. Twenty. And we're also going to get in to Detroit too big SCHANZ new album. Discuss that spin making the rounds. Before ending with my new favorite segment story of a song. Does upset we are going to be revisiting sitting on the dock of the Bay by Otis Redding cannot wait to share the story behind that song with you guys. But to start things off I, thought, let's just get into Travis Scott his partnership with McDonald's. That is sort of the big. Story to me at the moment because it. Isn't about the fact that Travis Scott or it's about McDonald's to me, it represents this bigger conversation about selling out. Or. Going commercial. Going corporate let's say. And what that means for musicians for companies and for listeners. So just to give you guys the basics. Travis Scott he teams up with McDonald's this month for a six dollar Travis Scott meal which Bundles Scott's. Go to McDonalds order, which is apparently a quarter pounder with cheese medium fries with barbecue sauce and a sprite with extra is. Got To get that extra apparently. And Scott is now the first celebrity to get his own McDonald's meal since the chain celebrated Michael Jordan with. Jordan Burger in nineteen, ninety two. And also on his website, he's now selling just. All this merch that's related to McDonald's and his brand cactus Jack. Including forty dollars t shirts eighty dollar hoodies to dr pair of jeans shorts with McDonald's Logo Patch on the buttocks. There's also a twenty five dollars, ten pack of Styrofoam Cups Yes twenty five dollars. For a ten pack of Styrofoam Cups. Seventy eight dollars blanket if forty five dollars tie with A. Picture of a Burger on it a thirty dollar lunch tray with the words I'm loving it carved into a sixty five dollars life size cutout of Travis Scott Action figure from the commercial and ninety dollars body pillow that looks like chicken mcnugget. Wow. So this man has his own signature, McDonald's mural. And is charging you nearly a hundred dollars for a pillow that looks like a chicken mcnugget that Dr? Scott does man noses leverage at the moment and it's been successful people were out there buying this merch and going McDonald's and requesting the Travis Scott Meal or saying Cactus Jack sent me. Pretty. Cringe. But book it's working. From a business perspective, it's working. And Yes, quarter pounder cheese. Is Really, funny, tagline for this, it's described it's like a combination of corporate speak with ad-lib that Dr Scott is known for so it says. The Travis Scott meal a quarter pounder with trees travis style it's lit. That he's present Islam and His ad libs We also have a SPRITE with ice and it has the ad straight up. French fries and barbecue sauce with. If you know you know. Pretty. Cringe eel around there. And as pitchfork wrote, McDonald's is desperate to humanize itself to younger audience and Travis is desperate to be seen as a brand will probably work out for both of them and so far it is. And so really this is as commercially motivated and move as you'll ever see in music I mean. Working with McDonald's is as commercial as it gets I mean I guess you could say you know if you did something with an oil company maybe. We're the Amazon may that's extra commercial but McDonald's I. Mean this is. One of the iconic American corporations. And if you're working with them, that's that's a whole `nother level superstar. He's he's the only one to get his own Burger since Michael Jordan? That's pretty rare company. But again, this is not about Travis Scott. This is not about McDonald's we know it's It's Kinda dumb but it successful make sense business wise brand wise all that boring stuff in cringe you stuff. But what's more interesting is What does this say about selling out? Now selling out is one of those terms that is not really invoked today if anything it's kind of used a sarcastic sarcastic way like Oh. Yeah. You're so no one really earnestly throws around sell out the way they used to especially during the punk rock movements in the nineteen nineties it is sort of this generational gap between Gen, X. and millennials and Gen Z. we'll get into that. But really, it's so when musicians become commercial. Acceptance of these days but. Seeing Travis Scott work with McDonald's while companies. Made me think now's the time to have the conversation about selling out every music conversation will circle back to the concept of selling out at one point or another. If you're talking about mainstream artists because that's just stored of the deal for mainstream. You probably had to sell out at some point in some way maybe not intentionally, but adjacent like it's just the matter of getting on the radio becoming popular there's some compromises you have to make but. People make distinctions between what to sell out what's not. So let's get into it. This is the wikipedia definition. The Bible of the Internet selling out is a common expression for the compromising of a person's integrity morality authenticity or principles in exchange for personal gains such as money. In terms of music or art selling out is associated with attempting to tailor material to a mainstream or commercial audience. For example, a musician who alters his material to encompass a wider audience and in turn generates greater revenue may be labeled by fans who predate the change as quote unquote sell out. It was not until the punk subculture that exploded in the late seventies that the notion that. Musicians should be completely independent of commercial influence became really popular lies though was seen as early as the jazz era in America the forties and fifties yet people say Duke Ellington Din was a sell out. Also. Bob. Dylan was attacked as a sell out to folk music after he went electric in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, five started playing electric guitar big. No. Now in folk where at least early folk, which is all Acoustic Guitar. Now. This sort of headed effect actually on. Branding as bands in the decisions they would make there is definitely reluctance. especially. In rock music to sign for major labels to delayed as long as you could. Because, this would be seen as taking part in a commercial venture. And it continued into the eighties when bands would be. blackballed by fanzines for signing with major labels. And this mainstream success is not seen as a success to their original fans but seen as a betrayal. However, after a number of bans, you know they were able to maintain the quality of their records after signing a major label by the end of the eighties. The focus of selling out shifted from signing to a major label to. Commercials. Tim. Of. The US punk fanzine maximum rock and roll scored scorned anyone who shacked up with a major label as collaborators. Neil Young Mok the fact that songs became associated with brands on his nineteen eighty eight album this notes for you he added lyrics eight singing for Pepsi ain't singing for coke. I don't sing for nobody makes me look like a joke? That's a Bar Ladies and gentlemen. Also Trent res- Ner said when I hear grizzly bear in a Volkswagen commercial kind of bums me out somewhere along the line it became okay to get in bed with the sponsor more specifically became okay for rock bands to talk about. Also, Adele said I don't want my name anywhere near another brand I don't want to be tainted or haunted, and I don't want to sell out in any way. I think shameful. Wow. Wow, that's dealt with strong. So you could see even in twenty eleven, there's still that that streak of I don't want to be a cell at the whole idea of it being a. Pejorative and negative trait is still kicking around in the twenty tents but my question is, does it really matter anymore? Does. It really matter the concept of selling ad does it Even those. who were the most resistant think of the sex pistols? The they helped shape punk rock and their former frontman John lydon was advertising butter iggy pop another punk rock icon he was endorsing car insurance. Bob Dylan has done commercials Victoria's secret led Zeppelin for Cadillac. I mean look at summer festivals are just see of brands at this point. You have corporations sponsoring tours, but they all soup sponsor albums and videos. You have TV shows and advertisements that are just filled with songs from famous and well renowned artist. I mean a major source of income for all record companies, musicians, and music publishers now is having your music on advertisements on TV and in film. Even in the Black Keys, who are you know as traditional rock and roll as it gets. they've been used a lot Awada commercials of us. Blackie. Songs and they've. Maintained that you know this is a valid way for them to maintain exposure and to make money. As Dan r Brock said we have more people coming to our shows and buying our records. I, think it's like having a song on the radio as long as you are is pure who cares where it is. And? You know even Kurt cobain. Had the PUNK rock. You know he didn't play punk rock necessarily more sub-genre grown but the punk rock philosophy even he said. You know selling out is sort of unavoidable. He said I don't blame the average seventeen year old punk rocket for calling me a sellout I understand that and maybe when they grow up a little bit the realize there's more things to life and living out your rock and roll identity. So righteously. I mean he has a point because here is the issue. By downloading. Music for free. The. Average music fan is. Tainted and aware of the music industries. And so should be more forgiving when. Musicians are looking for other ways to generate income in twenty twenty s in the twenty tens and just the modern age because. People don't sell records like they used to people aren't going to record stores are not going to buy CDs they are listening either streaming services which pay pennies to artists, or they're just listening for free downloading it for free. So musicians only have two ways to make money. Really at the moment, it's through merchandise, slash touring, which kind of go hand in hand and getting your music. Four. Fi played on a commercial. Played in TV show played in a movie played in a trailer what have you? So really spurning brands. Saying I'm not going to be sell out is moved from the sort of working class. Hardscrabble sort of attitude to really the one percent of musicians, the gilded, the oligarchy of musicians. Those are the people who can afford not to but most working musicians, they will gladly accept a twenty thousand dollars fee if you WANNA use her song in a commercial. Just for an example that only the Adele's and the radio heads and whoever else is tries to say pure from commercial involvement can really afford not to sell out. Our Fires Win Butler who doesn't use his music and commercials acknowledges he said we can make those decisions based on artistic reasons and not on the financial side you gotta do what you gotTa, do. So He's basically going Jim we're in a lucky position. We don't have to do that, but you gotta do what you gotTa. Do most bands you gotta do what you gotTa. Do means you're going to sell out you're. GonNa work. With commercial brands with corporations, because that's how you're going to finance new equipment studio time. Afford. To pay. All the whole ecosystem around your band afford torn. These are like very practical reasons to sell out. And Like I said, it's more of a powerful force for Gen X. Gen Z. and millennials. We don't care as much. I'm in between Z millennial inborn ninety six in between. We. Who, I, mean, all I downloaded lots of. Lots of music for free I know what I'm doing isn't paying the artists. So if artist decides to work have their song feature commercial or a TV show, I'M NOT GONNA call the sell out because it's not like I'm pure, you cannot. Speak against someone's purity purity or lack thereof when you're coming from a place where you've probably engaged in. You know, not the most pure consumption, not the most ethically sourced consumption you're not paying if you're not paying for the music, there is something kind of wrong about it, but we all do it, and so this is sort of the compromise we make. Now, even acclaimed artists. Sell Out Kendrick. Lamar did commercials for Reebok and no one saying he's in authentic. His music has suffered since he's gone commercial. If anything it's gotten better drake. He's worked with sprite teachers with with Dyke Coke. You know this is just the reality that we live in right now in music where. The, music industry is a lot different than it was thirty years ago forty years ago when Gen-x were growing up when record sales were really a viable way to make money, they're just not now that being said. I think we have to have a standard and a line. So not as punitive as the these fanzines were about selling out were being collaborators by signing to a major label or doing anything commercial but. I don't want to see artists completely sell it either I want them to work with. Companies that are ethical that have value us that Stanford something that contributes on the positive through the World Travis. Scott working with McDonald's I. Don't think that's that doesn't really rub me the right way that is just seen as purely commercial McDonald's is. Definitely not a saint curtains to the corporate ecosystem. and seeing IGGY. Pop. Talk to a puppet of himself. Is really sad for an insurance commercial like do clearly has the money issues if you're doing on that. Oh. Look I'M NOT GONNA say selling out. Do whatever you want you. We need standards there should be principals at least behind some decisions on who you work with but. I understand both sides understand the purest who say you're tainted by but I think realistically, this is a way that musicians have to operate and I just ask vet if they're going to operate to survive in this fashion that they do it with companies that they actually support or share some sort of. Value Structure with because if you're working with McDonald's I mean that's that's purely commercial and get your money fine but. That is on the line of just being a total total sellout but again. People don't really care about the whole concept of selling out anymore. So it's sort of a moot point. It's interesting. We're GONNA be seeing more of it in the future. This Travis Scott Collaboration thought was the most explicit, most transparent version of this. Oh, it's time to have the conversation. After the break, we will be getting into what's on my radar stick around for that. Always on the go, but the day just be one without your Hollywood Vince flit golden state media concepts that are ten podcast take care then all inclusive look of pop culture. Thanks. Don't. Welcome back to the show. We just got through conversation about selling out. And now we're going to talk about what's on my radar. So those a lot that's been released. Lot that's coming out a lot of rumors, lot of news but this is what's on my radar for this episode and to start things off. On our radar Naima Sha Lube who's a city Francisco musician? Released an album called fear or cipher. AIRBAG, for zero. She is a Lebanese American vocalist and composer who sings in both Arabic and English and what I really like about her she sings American Blues which I'm huge Blues Fan. We have not talked enough on the show actually about blue. So I'M GONNA try to fix that in future episodes get some more blue stock in here but regardless. Naima shoob she sings American Blues in. Arabic. Not Exclusively in Arabic bunch you know that's you know some of her songs are in. Arabic. And I just think that is such a great fusion of two different musical traditions. She is pulling both from the Lebanese in Arabic musical traditions and the lyrical content there and combining it with American blues and I just I'm a big fan of fusion in general whether it's food or music, and I think she finds a way to. Really, marry those together in a really compelling way. And the. Album, was actually a live recording at the San Francisco. County Jail I. Think she was at the jail for incarcerated women. And she said it was an undertaking that aim to raise awareness of and inspire empathy for. People in prison. And people in facility. And these themes of social justice really dominate severe cipher. Although the them isn't just some kind of political statement it is. Focused on a lot of the human experience. But I just that is something that is definitely flying well under the radar. Not, a Lotta listens on. spotify though she did get a profile in. SF weekly, she went on the public radio station here KLW. She's getting impressed but urge you guys check out. The interesting fusion and I think it works beautifully. Also, on my radar big news Kendrick leaks. Three songs leaked from Mr Kendrick Lamar who we have not heard from in a good good while just like everybody on td. On. Saturday. Out of nowhere. Just some unreleased Kendrick tracks made their way onto youtube and elsewhere. There was guilty conscious. There was somebody in there was prayer that was the names of three songs both three. Interesting songs but three compelling songs. Definitely, at different points of. As a finished product, some felt more finished than others, but that's to be expected from leaks. oftentimes, they're you know basically a rough draft of a song. And then just get leaked online. To start things off with, there's prayer, which I think is the best song that leaks it has this beautiful piano driven be feels like it's designed for a soul ballad or Ejaz closer but the lyrics are really what makes them selling interesting anything really elevate the song. So it's essentially told from multiple perspectives. It's told from Michael Jackson's perspective Martin Luther King, Junior's perspective and Kendrick Lamar's perspective. Now, with Michael, Jackson. And Explores his significance is brilliant but also the flaws and the allegations. And KENDRA coming to terms with the shameful past of his idol. Like they said that I'll live forever but the moment he died more accusations arrived I had to die to. Thing, that sort of speaks to Kendricks. Idea of you know I. Can I separate the from the artists Do. I. Have to let my fan of for Jackson die in the face of these horrendous allegations. Touch on that a little later Martin Luther King's perspective. It's the same deal emphasizing the positives before wrestling with the negatives. So touches on and they'll ks infidelity lyrics like his life became heroic than tables turn Mike, Greater Strip from being a poet because he yearned other women infidelity stricken I can't say he was perfect. Then, Kendrick Lamar. gives his thoughts on artistry critical receptions. Public pressure makes like just know the earth is just a rock without the voices are sincerely yours. So. You know. Kendrick I don't know if he's trying to compare his plate with. Critics with. What? Martin Luther King Junior and Michael Jackson had to face. I don't think he's trying to say the same thing. But he's trying to. Point us in the direction of no artists is perfect. No human being is perfect and ultimately it's about whether we can separate the art from the artists that internal conversation or the man from his work or his impact can one being immoral person but worked for moral causes can immoral artists be recognized for his crimes but still appreciated for his music? He. Doesn't really land on an answer, but he does have aware that goes I got a through that most y'all won't allow to see it goes like this talent doesn't choose morality. So basically what he's saying is some of the most talented people are not good human beings. They're not morally righteous human beings but. Do. We have to accept that and live with that or should we demand more? That is the challenge for the audience to come up with an answer to that, and I don't know if there's a right answer. You know that's that is one of the more open ended and. Debated questions in music in general. But I have to say this song just as the song sell it sounds album ready. I think it's a good sign for the forthcoming album, I i. really like really really liked their song. Somebody it's definitely a rough cut its very short. Sounds like a blue song actually when it comes to its lyrical content is very well with me. And it's tone in the. Just, themes. The chorus focuses on Kendrick wishing. He was somebody else while the verse is focusing on his conflicted feelings about fame and how empty successes. You have some Kendrick calming and singing there as well. I, did enjoy the singing. Joy The humming I thought the rapping was decent but. It's it's pretty dark song I. Don't know if this signals Kendrick's head space at the moment or were the album is gonna go. Totally but. It's It's quite sad really where he's rapping about you know he wishes he could be anybody else but himself. At. S-. It's not where you want to be I hope Kendricks. Okay Probably just working through stuff on songs But Yeah I. Don't I don't know if that means the tone of all three of these songs is sort of dark and morose. So I would not be surprised if that's what the album multiple is, but you never know with Kendrick. Lastly gotTA. Love Me. This is probably the worst of the batch, really low key. Honestly, just Generic and boring maybe fits the album and then it would make more sense in there for more interesting to listen to but on its own, it's. Completely. Just brain dead and. Utterly, on compelling. Baby King. Who is his cousin fun fact appears on the hook, but he has no versus. It seems that he's rapping from the perspective of materialists in this song. I I don't I don't really know obviously, we don't have the context. Probably the weakest song the Bunch, not gonNA listen to that one again but I. Hope we get some news on. kendricks album because We need some Kendrick in twenty twenty to improve. Things Kendrick would a Kendrick surprised drop would do a lot for over mental health. Also, on radar ocean ater things I never said. This is her debut project. And it came to my attention after reading her feature on band camp. Band Camp Dot Com way to support artists and just great. Just so much music on their check it out. Ocean. ATER has grunge in indie garage rock sound much of it explores emotional anguish through the lens of the end of the world on the sound with Song titles like a crack in the world and the sky's falling. I think the best song and it's the standout single is I would find you. Great Baseline love we sense. Sounds like a desperate struggle to find companionship before the world stops spinning as. Band camp wrote as that's great description of that song. Heartbeat, and walk with you or a bit more grounded warm and. Ends on a hopeful note with the Song Sunshine which. says. I'm going outside today are feeling like things might be okay. Know little simple victories like that. Resonate quite a lot. In our type right now and twenty twenty especially for anyone in northern. California with these fires like gin even really step outside right now I've liked him sunshine. Last lease on my radar. Taylor. Swift's folklore is still number one. Three months later. She emerged from quarantine with folklore. We covered it the very first out beside I did for you guys. It was that classic surprise release. And it isn't it six week at number one, the longest streak at the top of the charts for any albums in strikes views for years ago. And it had the equivalent of ninety thousand album sales in the United States including streams as well as copies sold as a complete package. In the US it has sold eight hundred, sixty thousand copies of its complete album version county downloads, well as its various physical versions. And nearly seven, hundred, million streams. Around the world, the album is nearly two billion streams according to swift's label republic. And with folklore six weeks at number one. Swiss cumulative weeks at number one across all of her seven chart topping albums now rises to forty six that ties Whitney Houston for the most weeks atop the chart by a woman in history. Pretty Good Company and have. It is her album to log at least six weeks at number one making her one of just two acts to have at least live albums each with six weeks number one only the Beatles also managed to defeat I mean Damn. Taylor folklore what a success I mean. This is literally historical success. Unbelievable. And contrasting that with Katy Perry who was just out sold by metallica yes. METALLICA THEIR ALBUM SM to their collaboration with the SAN. Francisco Symphony. debuted at number one on the billboard, two hundred charts and not number one number four. Smile, is at number five. Number One. I guess still folklore and then I think pop smoke juice world number two, and three. I mean what? What a flop so far from smile from Katy Perry I discussed that Alma few episodes ago it's not a good album. It's not Great Music Katy Perry is not in a good place. Musically right now. And with witness flopping and now smile seemingly flopping. I wonder if Katy Perry and returns to her former. Thrown at the pop chart. In the number one spot because I just don't. I don't see it right now she's sort of lost her creative edge. And it's a far far cry for when her release is would go number one practically immediately teenage dream was certified three times platinum four times platinum in the UK four times platinum in Australia. Smiles forecasts for only sixty thousand combined sales. which is way behind her last effort witness, which launched with the hundred, eighty thousand units, and that was totally disparaged and Perry herself as acknowledged that Almaz failure. So if you're doing worse than that. What does that say about smile at thought you hit rock bottom. Rock bottom. I mean part of the problem is she doesn't have a good single office out. There are no good singles and if you don't have a good single, it's hard to move up the charts but more importantly I just think she has no growth. As an artist right now contrast that with Taylor Swift who came out with this. Indie folk record, Taylor Swift Indie full record. That's changing your sound dramatically Katy Perry is still doing the motivational speech Nordstrom music vets dislike. Cut It anymore you gotta evolve your sound she has refused to do so she contends that witness was action at tent. To Garner new sound purposeful pop but it just didn't work and I guess our fan base is particularly rabid. She doesn't have the stands out here pushing her album to number one so. We'll see what happens Katy Perry if there's anything that she'll business loves more than money, it's a comeback story so I would not be shocked if they find a way to Engineer Comeback Katy Perry number one album but right now her it's not looking great. It's looking like it's on the down slope frankly. After the break we will get into Detroit too big John's new album stick around for that. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts, podcast network is here. I'll think less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered. From News Sports, music fashion, looking entertainment, fantasy football, and so much more. So stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast. Whatever it may be visit. WWW DODGES MC podcast dot com follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play. Star. Welcome back to the show. We still have story of Song, coming up at the end of the show we got through our conversation on selling out and what was on my radar now. It's Times toxin albums and one of the. Notable albums since I last spoke was big John's Detroit to. Now. This is his first album in about three two or three years. I believe since twenty seven teens I decided. I guess he took some time off and this is the spiritual sequel to his twenty twelve mix tape. Detroit. And double or nothing, which was a collaborative album with metro booming. And Sean made it clear? He wants Detroit to to be his classic now. Before getting into the album. into the nitty gritty of it this is really a bow, the narrative of big shown. The the character in the popular imagination of Big Sean. Now, he's been making the rounds with the press. He's actually getting somewhat positive reviews of the album and he said some revealing interviews notably with Craig Jenkins of vulture where Schon opened up about his mental health struggles. said he was struggling with depression. And anxiety from fame from could just natural career. Worries. so He's been going through it. and. He's really pushing through the narrative right now that. Big Sean is back. Big Sean. Is Spiritually. Satisfied is. A much better place mentally in it's going to translate to the music and the album definitely touch on that and we'll be getting into it but. Like as with Katy, Perry show business loves a good comeback story and it's not like. Big. Sean. Had some kind of flop or just add some kind of scandal he did not but he's sort of underwhelmed his entire career he's been overshadowed. So Really their push inherited that. This is a big Sean. It's time to shine. This is his moment to finally be recognized for the value. He's brought to the rap game. and. I think that. This album is partly on the way to achieving that, but I think ultimately, it fails it's greatest ambition which is. A big. Sean being talked about in the same conversation as Kendrick Lamar in drake and Jay and his contemporaries there. We'll get into that more later to give you a sense of the change that big Sean has gone through. This is what I wrote about big. Sean. I. Think a few years ago. This one finally famous. This probably a few years actually when finding the famous debut album came out this is what I wrote. Wait the guy only listen to when here in a footlocker Yup that dude. Finally. Famous is not a good album dig. Sean is not a good rapper but these are just small details get in the way of far more important point. Big Sean was the last quote unquote. Cool. Rapper not to say that Mr Shawn is genuinely cool person but he was the last rapper whose entire appeal was built on convincing the listener that big Sean was capital C. Cool. The cool rapper has a long history. The origins. The MC lay in work in the crowd essentially saying cool shit to complement the DJ Kurtis Blow invented the cool MC rockin expanded expanded. Cool to a streetwise sensibility. biggie was cool. But Weary Jay Z. was cool and calculate the cool rapper was the industry standard. But this album was the end of the smooth rat persona. The music was moving away from the ipod Nano to the jail broken iphone messy invulnerable rappers would no longer glide efforts effortlessly from the block to the boardroom they were heartbroken but heartless delightfully weird wounded and innovative wrappers or more human but less cool. Big Sean was. So. That's order we're big sean was he had this persona of Smooth and see Mr Steele Yo girl great fashion sense really smart distortive. Mr. But not a lot of depth to him. Not. A lot of emotion nod a lot of. Vulnerability those weren't really in his repertoire. He got signed to good music on West Label. And he had a few hits obviously I don't believe with you. was a massive radio. Smash Dance. was another big one he said he's some charting success is still a big name but ultimately. He just wasn't that. Special he wasn't that notable. Really he was always in the shadow of his own label mates like push it t in Kate Cutty, not to mention of his off the reservation mentor Kanye West, he sort of the B. Team of generation relative to classmates like J. Cole Drake Kendrick. A BIG SEAN is eager to finally carve out some respects for himself with Detroit to. And with the help of Kanye west end hit boy who's been on a tear lately. They, executive produced the album. He's building on his reputation as a rapper who'd rather carries blessings than cash. At. Prided himself. On. Growth on this project. So. He's really tried to. Oil The media machine to expect an album that has depth that shows us the new big Sean and shows US classic big. Sean. Now as far as the positive go. I think. The, main one is. Just the collaboration list he invites. Everybody this is one big party. You get a listers and rising star Saga Anderson Pack you get diddy you get young thug you get post Malone. You GET EMINEM Travis Scott. Little. Wayne ty Dolla sign. Even. The late Nipsy, hustle? And you get some rising stars in Detroit rhapsody. Mike Sada Baby. Cash Doll. Boldy James so of names? Even get stevie wonder Erykah. Badu Dave Chapelle three different versions a story. and. That is just really cool to have all those names on one project in speaks to. Think Big Sean is a well respected. Well liked person in the music industry. They're not going to work with if I mean I guess you could just drop the bag got anyone he wants but. People like to work with people. If. You're going to have that many a listers you probably will liked so and it seems like a likeable do I believe it? The album opener? Why would I stop? Sets the boastful but matured. Sean. Tone. He wants and persona that he wants to portray on this album. Second Song. Lucky me. It's kind of brilliant not in the beginning, but there's a beat switch in the middle that becomes just A. UPTEMPO drop song. And that is one of the more brilliant. Pieces on the album that beats which is just so smooth and Sean increases flow on that demonstrating his range on an otherwise slow and simple song. Nipsy has good posthumous verse on deep reverence. Now, we talked about it last episode as a notable song and. It is really cool to hear nipsy again and big Sean has really opening up on this he has expect should be billionaire based on the time off on not taken probably why the blank around me get crazy and we lost a baby. So he's. Saying that he lost. A baby. Vulnerable as it gets. And I've really never seen big sean this human honest on Dark Sky Paradise in some other projects he touched on it a little bit but not to this degree kind of impressed by that. Body language. It's a nice romantic track. I'm not really sure that serves the theme, but it's it's nice listening. There's fun. Dave Chapelle appearance tells a great story about Danny Brown. Just. Days Felony on. That's pretty legendary. Harder than my demons is probably the most dynamic song on the album. Sean is finally let himself go really letting the energy. Flow through such as subdued perform that feels good to hear some emotion interjected into his voice. But. It's also marred by some anti vaccine that will get into later. The Wall lay feature guard. Your heart makes conscious political point on a nice sparse piano be, which also features Anderson Pack who's basically cheat code for features. And by far the best in most ambitious track on the album is Friday night cypher stitches together. The past in the future of the Detroit hip hop scene, it's like ten minutes long. You get to Grizzly Payroll Giovanni Castaldi boldy James Eminem who actually has one of his better features. The last few years you've. Actually perform pretty well and eminem been very hot and cold. The past five years or so. And it's just a fun infectious song lots of energy now I doubt they were all in the same room when they recorded this but. It does still have that sort of safer late night. Detroit. Rap. Club or like late night sights that Detroit was famous for that eight mile sort of. Brought into the mainstream consciousness. feels. Like that a little bit. And I just that was really cool to see big Sean get all those names together as as just a great tribute, Detroit, his hometown, and to the music scene there, which is blowing up big time. Now, as far as negatives. Definitely, number one bashing Western medicine. When we're in a pandemic. Of. Specifically. Unlucky me harder than my demons. On. Lucky me big Sean raps about how he's diagnosed with a heart condition at nineteen. Only for a neuropathy. With magnesium. He then says that's how I know Western Medicine Week. Also on. Harder than my demons, he says no Sir I don't even do flu shots. Where in pandemic. We are in the worst. Medical crisis in a hundred years right now why you rapping these lyrics right that is the last thing we need at the moment is people spreading more anti VACs, beat S. That is trash from big sean absolute. Garbage opinion. Your platform is way too big to spread this misinformation. Really. Disappointed in that just really whack and just really marred those songs that are actually I liked those songs. But when you have like that dude I'm fully out I'm out of the song it's not it's not valuable at the airport. So that was just really terrible and almost ruins the Allen, but it's only had two songs. So overlook it. Another thing twenty one songs. That's just too much. Twenty one songs. What are we doing cut down from there? There there are definitely some filler songs so. If you wanted to do two volumes. I. Why you need twenty hours on one project is it's too much. The Post Malone feature on wolves is just straight up bad. Not, good, not good. Z. T. F. Oh, that feels like a song twenty months savage passed on that beat is perfect for twenty Azure may be passed on in Sean picked up but it does not suit his style nor does it really bring anything to the table? Lithuania. The song with Travis Scott. This is probably the biggest radio hit from it but honestly. It feels like the dark sky. Paradise Project Sean trying to hop on a sound that doesn't really suit him but keeps them relevant. Not I just I think travis like really nailed it in with his Contributions on that as well. So. I will say this is probably being Shaun's best projects better songwriting better production. Handful songs are really work but. If this is the best he can do. You're still on the B. team. After the break we will be getting into sitting on dock of the bay the story behind that classic track you're GonNa want to hear that. Would movies to go see and check out the. GS. 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It was recorded by reading twice in nineteen, sixty seven including once just days before his tragic death in a plane crash. The song was released on stacks records in nineteen sixty eight and became the first posthumous single to top the charts in the United States. The song again was not finished before he died. On December nate in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, seven Otis redding was flying in his own small private plane from Cleveland where he just performed to Madison Wisconsin where he was going to appear the next night. It was a rainy and foggy night, but he wanted to make it to the next show. He didn't want to miss the GIG. Four miles away from Madison airport reading's plane. Crashed into Lake Mon- Madonna seven people died in that crash including reading. He was only twenty six years old. And Otis redding he had never really become a crossover star in his lifetime. His singles via done? Well, RB Radio but his highest charting single on the hot one, hundred, nine, hundred, and sixty five. I've been loving. You too long peaked at number twenty one. His Song respect. Went number one in nineteen, sixty, seven but. Not Sung by hand covered by aretha Franklin. Reading had actually written recorded the song two years earlier but. Otis. He would admit that it wasn't really his anymore after aretha done version. She elevated at Big Time I. Don't think anyone would argue otherwise. Now. Reading was feigned for his electrifying performances which were gradually expanding beyond the RB circuit in the lead up to his death. Grace. Slick. Who is the lead singer of Jefferson? Saw Him at the fillmore West and San Francisco nineteen, sixty six she said it was the most stunning performance I'd seen up to that point. I never seen anybody with that much positive thrust for lack of better term. Yeah reading he was A. Magnetic sensual presence on stage just what you would want from soul singer that prototypical soul frontman. And he was a rising star eager to switch up his sound in appeal to a mainstream audience in the lead up to his death. Star was on the rise following his successful torn Europe that had garnered the attention of the Beatles, a string of well received performances at the whisky. Go go in La and the legendary showing at the iconic Monterey pop festival nineteen, sixty seven were ready and had essentially blown the minds of credit white hippies that performance at the biggest effect on them Monterey Atta powerful effect on Otis recalls Stanley booth who interviewed reading for the Saturday Evening Post. He's a huge crowd of white kids going nuts over him and he began to believe he could follow in the Footsteps Is Sam Cooke and Ray. Charles. Now just touch on the white black audience dichotomy here. Many of the R. and B. Acts. They did well with. Black audiences because American radio. Which essentially control the American music was very segregated. They had black music for black people, white music by white musicians and so on. There is not a lot of mixing going on but if you're talented enough. As a black artist, you could break into the mainstream which was also code for the white. Audience. Now, Sam Cooke had done that Ray Charles had done that and Otis redding was gearing up to do that. He'd also been inspired by Bob Dylan and Sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts club band. As everyone was inspired by that album, he was hoping to switch sound. Come up with something more layered than the hard southern month Memphis soul on which he'd made his name on. US. kind of moving into soul folk if you will. It was going to be more carefully crafted especially in studios. He. was really moving towards more. Intentional. Softer but more. In depth. More touching more. Really. Universal sort of. Themes and sounds he was really going for something that not only appeal to mainstream audiences but. Really move towards something more poetic and honest than just the rough and tumble. Good Vibes of the soul the he was doing or just standard heartbreak ballads. But As focused as he was going in the studio in crafting his. He did have a deal to go to San, Francisco and do six. At a jazz club called base in West. and. So he flew over to San. Francisco? He fulfilled his contract and as the fakes. Bill Graham had him holed up at his home. In Sausalito his houseboat as a thank you for doing six nights. As. Well, as to allow country boy Otis Redding to get out of the city and away from the screaming fans. So he really spent his days quietly looking at the water from Waldo Point Incisive Alito freed from the usual demands of travel he was able to relax write songs. His road manager Earl Simms who is known as Speedo said he was the only witness the day reading picked up his guitar wrote a New Song that began. Sitting in the morning sun, I'll be sitting when the evening comes. Obviously, that's the opening lines to sit on the dock of the bay. A witness that he's writing it literally looking out onto the bait that's what inspired it. At Cropper helped Otis, fill out the rest of averse. And reading didn't have much more than the basic chords and his first verse about sitting and watching the ships and the chorus developed. Then, he put the song aside for a while. That was Otis Cropper said he always cared his guitar with them but not in the case any Davin idea and just start writing he always had fourteen or fifteen ideas in his head totally unfinished. When Otis return home he played the song for his wife. My comment at the time was that it was very different unusual for him. She said meaning she didn't really care for it. He said Long Greenwich Changed My style GonNa be different. that. October reading had surgery to remove polyps from vocal chords. While recuperating he couldn't speak he grew a beard and spent hours in silent contemplation. He had to communicate actually by writing notes though he also wrote more songs by late November. He was finally good to go and cropper says his voice sounded better than ever. He recorded more than thirty new songs in a burst of creativity at the end of that month in the beginning of December. Most would end up on posthumous releases including hard to handle the happy song and I've got dreams to remember. There is some debate about when it was finally recorded. I. Won't bore you with the details. But the recording of sitting on the dock. The Bay is described as positive full of excitement and optimism. The whistling at the end of this song actually came in section earmarked for vocal ad living. On one early take ready actually sputtered and the engineer Ron Capone tolls, you're not GonNa make it as Whistler. The initial reactions to the song was actually kind of mix cropper said he played the song for his wife Zelma and Jonny Lee Blue Moon Odom the major league pitcher who hailed from Otis's hometown Macon Georgia and was hanging out during some sessions. Zellner reading apparently did not like the new approach she reportedly felt his post-surgery songs were too strongly. Beatles. Influence has been quoted as saying that her husband told her. Boy when I go back out there I'm going to be the new Otis redding to he replied with a hinted dismay. Oh God you are changing. Reading responded it's time for me to change him a music. In the middle of the sessions Otis went back to the road. I'll see you Monday were his last words to Mr Cropper. Reading died on Sunday, and on Monday according to Cropper Atlantic Records Executive Jerry Wexler Call Jim Stewart demanding a new song. Gymnast. What do you have ready but I said I don't have anything mixed. Well they said, we need something because. These music executives now that when a musician dies that one record sales will probably be at their highest. So cropper spend the next twenty, four hours mixing the song. The day after one of his best friends died. said, it was one of the hardest things I ever had to do was mix in that song. I bet that's an understatement. Frankly. The song was finally released on. January eighth nineteen sixty eight. Reading's death was definitely of interest. But really what brought the song to the top was the lyrics which spoke to every workman who wanted to get away from the bosses and just relax a little as rolling stone magazine put. The lyrics also resonated powerfully with soldiers in Vietnam according to Doug. And Great Warner's we gotta get Outta this place the soundtrack of the Vietnam War. And finally, the single top the charts on March sixteenth. The legacy of the song is obviously wide ranging. And the biggest legacy of it was establishing. The posthumous number one hit. It's sort of a staple for certain criteria certain class of musician. From Janice Joplin to John Lennon the latest was. In Seon. But Otis was the first to have that posthumous number one hit. The song is ranked as the six most played composition on American radio and television. In the twentieth century. It has gone triple platinum and big covers from artists from share to Bob Dylan. Rolling Stone named it number twenty six on its five, hundred greatest songs of all time. And the song. Really. Resonated. For, reasons well beyond his death. As. I. Said It. Spoke to people. It's a deeply weary song. Specially, touches on moving all the way across the country trying to change your situation and just sorta finding yourself alone. At a crossroads maybe at the end of a long journey or the beginning of new one. It's very poetic. It's very wistful. And his voice delight in weary on it very careful melody. You know that's not that hard charging Otis redding that had. Really. Established himself in the minds of most. So music listeners, he was definitely changing his sound by then. And the saw has these nice little touches you get a nice baseline. Guitar Chimes perfectly time, bursts of horns sections. It's really is just. A perfectly crafted song. and. Unfortunately we can only guess at might happen if reading had it died. But this was direction he was pushing. I feel like there would have been masterpiece after masterpiece. He clearly come to really understand. His voice and when he can do with it and what he wanted to say musically and the kind of songs he wanted to. Grit. IT IS A. Full Stop tragedy that we never got to hear where he's going. He's only twenty six. So Young. But with this song, he really cemented himself in the public conscious and. Public, consciousness in finally achieved the crossover success he was chasing. 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Rock N Roll Librarian: Time is Tight - My Life, Note By Note by Booker T. Jones

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Rock N Roll Librarian: Time is Tight - My Life, Note By Note by Booker T. Jones

"Hey this is from the band of Heathens. And you're listening to rock and roll. Archaeology deserve a library and bookstore. Kid Rock and roll to read this read. This is a story of needs to be leave. Rollers walks into welcome to another edition of rock and Roll Librarian. I had to think about that. I was almost going to say deeper Dixon wrong. Because I've been doing a lot deeper digs and rock stuff lately but No no this is. This is a companion show to D- prediction rock and even deeper dig in rock by professional ex professional librarian. Although you're still you're still official even working over there. I'm playing with my titles. I'm either a librarian. Emeritus or a or a return retiree which is really my official retirement. Iron Retiree Yeah. Pm Working Between Ten and twelve hours on fascinating things like contracts so so let's change the name of the show to return retiree rock and Roll Library now. How about rock and Roll Librarian? Emeritus rock sounds like a professor. Like Yeah Okay. Rock and roll like Marian Emeritus. Yeah cool. Hey how you doing i. I'm doing okay. I've been in my more time and mind your cups not being in your feels. Pg Tips your tips meet you. It's that time of day. Yeah so too early for beer and whisky so yeah but Yeah I've been spending my time and re semi-retirement by playing more music and being an An extra band and You know really growing that way. So that's really fun very cool. Yeah that what you. You're chasing your passion. I know it's you know you can chase. You're passionate any age people. Yeah that's what I would say. You know. Retirement pays you to do so. Yeah well pays me to do so. Not Everybody I'm very fortunate. In that way you chose correctly. You know civil service kids now. It's paying off. Yeah right yeah good for you. Thank you Sheryl Ngo. That's not true. I very happy for you. And besides we're doing the entire Pantheon. Podcasts here for me so I am. I am very busy but happily busy right. You've found your passion. Yeah lots of great stuff going on so All right so What do you got teed up for us this episode teed up interesting should say t the letter t I thought we could just listen to a bit and see if people now who are going to be talking about today. Seek grissom the song okay. It's a guessing game. Yeah Oh all right all right so let's play a little bit of a a fairly go all sort of famous song. I mean I know it you But let's see what everybody else thinks. Then we'll We'll give the big reveal on the on the other side in Tokyo Talk. Well why don't you tell everybody what the name of that tune was and why we started the show with it? Yes and T.'s. Are very much involved. The name of the song as time is tight and the name of the book is Time. Is Tight. My life note by note and the author is booker. T Jones Booker t Jones. And the M Jeez. Yes Booker. T. E. M. Geez. That's right. That Booker T. Yeah it's a his his memoir. So we're talking stacks today. We're talking stacks were talking We're talking Duck Dunn. Steve Cropper L. Jackson junior the rest of the MG's. We're talking. Jim Stewart. Who is the studio owner? And all of the stacks huge numbers of people that this man booker t Jones has worked with throughout the years. And it's still working with. Who's a musical genius and he has written very readable an interesting memoir which is basically a series of essays and Following along with the idea of the title time is tight. The essays are not necessarily in chronological order. So these basically he's saying time is tight. Time is loose to and all of these things that happened to me. In my life they come to the forefront and to the background and they're related to each other in some ways so I didn't feel like I could really follow a strictly chronological order. Sounds like something genius would do. And adding to the genius of it is before every chapter. He has a little musical phrase that he refers to that corresponds to the feeling of what he's talking about in the chapter and he's written new musical phrases. That when you listen to the audio book which I did you can hear the musical phrases and in here kind of how. Maybe there's like twelve of them and they are interspersed throughout the book and how that kind of ties in the themes of the book in a musical way too so it's not just a written down. It's interesting yeah and he's also out with a new album called note by note which is as far as I can tell basically songs that he's done in the past redone with new singers and and personnel. So there's all these things kind of like all Otis Redding Songs and things like that Redone for a new age. Yeah Yeah Yeah so anyway The you know. Just to kind of Let me summarize a little bit about booker. T Jones shows about gas he has. He's been eight years at stax and worked with the people that I just mentioned in in Booker t and the M G is but also as you may or may not know booker. T. and the Jews were a biracial or multiracial. Group there Booker T. and Al Jackson junior outgoing Americans to wet drummer. Yeah Duck done and Proper white and And that was very unusual in the early sixties. Yeah even though Donald Duck Dunn was in the original Bass player right. Okay Yeah and you will get into all so he but what what he says. At the beginning of the book is Jim. Stewart created a sanctuary of fortress in enemy territory in Memphis Tennessee where the rules of segregation remained feeble shadow and where whites and blacks created music together on a daily basis. But as we will see that there was There was that that was the way it started. But that wasn't always the way it was and it couldn't be in the United States of America you know as as still is now racially divided so Booker was born in Memphis in nineteen forty four. And as you recall it's the same city that Another person that we covered Robert Johnson Went and kind of professionalized right and he. He was from the Mississippi Delta but he used to go to Memphis to get his culture his education and his musical. You know kind of more musical influences than he could get in the delta so Memphis was quite a you know it was a segregated city but the Middle Class America. It was that was tolerated. I think is the right word by the White Society. Yeah there was Kinda parallel. Some black people were prosperous middle class. You know. And then there was beale street with all the music education was highly highly regarded and he a a mom and dad as who were civil. A civil servants like his dad was a science teacher. High schoolteachers mom was a clerical worker. He had a warm loving stable home and not just that but he showed quite early that he was a musical prodigy by age six He started to hear rhythms everywhere and began as he said to absorb all sound and he was always thinking about music and all of the instruments he'd ever heard and throughout his childhood and his teenagehood he had this amazing supportive group of Parents Teachers Church and a community of musicians that supported him in knew he was a musical genius and helped him feel comfortable and have the freedom to explore The way he needed to and wanted to. Oh just like my life. That's not what I've heard about your life. Okay but yeah. It was You know his. His mother played the piano. Both parents saying church so he had that you know. He was greatly influenced by his mother's piano playing both of his parents. Right were a amateur musician. Yeah I think. His Dad was mainly a singer but You know he got a paper route by you. Know at a young age and And his father bought him a clarinet when he was nine years old and he had his first Performance at the Neighborhood Barbara Arbor shop And by the time he was in middle school he was allowed in the school band even though he was three years. Too Young The teacher recognized that he was more than capable and able to to play and he he decided to take oboe. Because no one else wanted to And quickly learn Cheryl different school. Everybody fought over the oboe oboe. No you know oboe is very unusual thing. It's very hard to play too. That's why nobody wanted to play it so really. Everybody fought over the oboe really know nobody fought over the oboe. You're saying opening. Nobody fought okay. It's got a different read than any other instrument like that but the most important thing is the first time he saw him and be three Oregon. He felt a powerful irresistible urge to sit at that Oregon and he took on an extra paper route so he could pay for the more expensive lessons that it would have taken to buy the kids. That's right around paper route. Who paper routes and he was a busy boy. By the time he was twelve. He played it afternoon. Teas THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCH LADIES Gave in their homes and he was employed to accompany. Mahalia Jackson Precious Lord and he felt that Almost religious experience. Yeah a powerful presence commanding and soulful voice so this recording that we're gonNA play doesn't have the twelve year old booker t Jones playing on it but just to give you an idea of this woman. Who exerted such jacks? Yeah Yeah I mean what? Why gets to do that right all right? So let's start off with the little. Take my hand precious. Lord only gee be me own. Let me stay Time I shilling yes men. Are you ready to pray with me? Yes praise Jesus I. I feel I felt I felt it and I'm sure Booker T. Did as well and of course you know. There's that Oregon sitting underneath that whole thing really cousin year. Run your body to feel the words so so I can see where that Definitely made a big impression on the man. Oh Yeah Yeah in high school. By the time he was in tenth grade he was the assistant band director. I mean he was constantly too young for everything. He was doing And he got together with a D. Maurice White and Richard Shan and Maurice White who went on from Earth wind and fire. Holy Shit Yep he. They went to high school together. And they formed band and you know when out and did gigs he even. This is how you know like many people like Tom. Petty Bruce in play a lot during September. I think so. Yes but unlike some of the other people that we've covered they didn't have to. He didn't have to sneak out of the house or do this. You know. Despite his parents know they encouraged drove him to the place they did. They wait outside for him to finish and then took him home and then fed him properly. Raised him for all the good hardworking. Can you imagine it's so wonderful camp? And in even when he started playing on Beale street like he took his base to Beale street when he was like a senior in high school and stood around and waited for people to ask him to sub for somebody or whatever. His Dad got a former student of his who is also a musician to kind of chaperone booker so he always was under the watchful care of people in the community and his you know his family and like I said in the church And it was there. When he was playing on Beale street that he bumped into Al Jackson Junior and who was also very young for being a drummer in a band in you know in Memphis and So that that's where they first encountered each other. He you know still had his paper routes but it turned out he had to kind of drop things because he was in the school band. He was in the marching band. He was doing church activities. He was in sports who he was actually dating. You know it wasn't like he was a total nerd and didn't have a social life And and he played an additional instrument when he was in the marching band which was trombone so he was truly from a very young age. A total a multi instrumentalist. Why is trombone the? That's every marching pan. I'm just saying he picked that up to thirty. Plays the Oboe Hanno clarinet oboe. And three and Bass Guitar and trombone amazing right and added to his other activities in one thousand nine hundred sixty. He started his career as a session musician. While still in high school with satellite recording studios which later became stacks and it was they had set up shop. As you've talked about and you know in the rockall archaeology episode and in Theater and all movie theater. They had the recording studio in the theater. Part and the record shop in the front and this was Jim Stewart and a style. His sister still accidents baby right. Yeah so the first song. He recorded with satellite records while in highschool playing now in another instrument saxophone was Carla and Rufus Thomas Daughter and father team and the song was called. 'cause I love you and the says Booker T. Playing saxophone all right. Let's listen to because I love you. man two weeks to well that was taxes. I hit still called satellite records which also did have a record store actually in the building. Yeah that people can come in by the records hot off the presses as they might say like a donut shop. Yeah they they bake them in the back every morning. Bring him out front. You know ready for the early risers in the cops risers. No don't do very early Yeah well like so. That was his first nineteen sixty by the one thousand. Nine hundred sixty Well when he was a senior in high school of course it came time for him to decide. You know where to go to college because that was part of the family plan dammit. He going to college and he applied to the Indiana University. Music School in Bloomington And he took some extra music theory classes after school. You know in high school to be able to pass the exams. He needed to get into the to that college but he was still playing In the satellite house band will not still started playing in the satellite house band almost every night after school and the next song he played on which I thought was very interesting how they recorded. This is a song by William Bell. Who went on to become one of their Iran later. Oh now that was album. I'm sorry William. Bell was one of the staff sorrow. Yes yes I know. Everybody's name is Belle mixing bells up mixing my bells up so the The song was you don't Miss Your water parentheses till your well runs dry close parentheses. That's weird. Yeah it's a weird title. And he played. Organise your water till your well runs dry. He played organ on the Song. But satellite records. Couldn't afford Hammond. B Three yet so he played the Hammond m three and it was pumped to a speaker in the men's room. The men's restroom where there was an echo in the tiled room which was sent back to the sound room old mixed with the recording and gave it this really unique and interesting sound. And so we're GONNA start the song from the second verse because that's where we hear the while here that Oregon come in right and you know like The call and response between the singer and the Oregon and they recorded it on the first take and it was a hit. Okay folks show so listen. Closely listened to Booker t Jones plane The the M three in In the bathroom well. He's not playing the bathroom. Just two speakers in the bathroom but It's subtle but it's in there but you can. You can picture men's restroom in a movie theater while you listen to the song. I don't know that would really be helpful but sure. Scratch and sniff ears. You don't Miss Your water. Kept you cry. I wouldn't be who. But when you this Meyer Meyer. Otter that's an awesome song written written and recorded by William Bell there Yeah Yeah I don't know I don't Miss my water very often. Do you still can't get over. I'm sorry it's the title to okay interesting about afford both excellent water in San Francisco. We just turn the tap on old from had Checchi you. You know very lucky. Yeah now live in Flint Michigan oil or God knows where else anywhere else in the world. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah but Okay you know that's definitely A little Insight into Booker T's You know now famous Instrument that he is mostly known for wretches. The the Hammond a not quite the be three but It's you know the general gist as their right. Yeah it's very cool. I love the sound. It's made that's being made there with that very not. You know not a modern technology. Yeah well you know. That's how they had to do things back in the day and you make it up duct tape. That's right you know shortly after that everybody wants to know how did booker t? And the G get formed right so you are you gonNa ask me that question pay shelley. How did Booker t and the M? Jeez get formed. Well just wondering. I'm glad you asked in nineteen sixty two you know like. I said he was in the house band at satellite records the singer Billy Lee Riley who. I don't know if anybody remembers at all. But he was supposed to record and he had for musicians for studio musicians lined up to help him record an album but he he left and he went to another studio for some reason so these guys had a whole afternoon of studio time. Just a muck around and they were Al Jackson. Junior Steve Cropper Booker t Jones. Louise Steinberg on no ago and now we Steinberg was the original Bass player player and they started working up some ideas and just fooling around and Steve asked Booker. You know there was a little too and you've been fooling around with on the piano. Let's let's try working that up so like every other band will after this thing comes out right every other band just a so so every other band a keyboard player. I should say some somewhere along the line someone who can start playing this thing. And then everybody's GonNa kick in and do the exact play. The whole yet has to have a keyboard on. You gotTa have a keyboard so he used a metal band contra bundle chord triads structural rules from the Eighteenth Century Baroque Balk. Of course he did yes. Is there any other? Possibility was a music student so he added a blues progression and a little swing. And that's how the song came together. They they played it and the Memphis sound was born. Louis said that's so funky. It smells like onions and they wanted to call it. Funky onions but MRS exton thankless Jim. Stewart's sister that said you can't call something funky onions in this day and time. She decided green onions was better. So it was originally recorded as a B side released today. Sixty two that's right. It was not released as an aside until a few months later alternate instrumental so you can see why they probably went with that it and but it became a staple and very quickly and then they put it back out as an aside right And it was immediately popular. Pin Number three on the billboard. Hot One hundred chart and because they were going to put this out. They needed a name for their band. 'cause you can't put a record out without a band name on it. So I'll Jackson said because booker wrote the song they had to call it. Booker. T. and something and he looked outside and saw chips moments. Mg Automobile Yeah and blurted it out at Scott Booker t and the M. Jeez and they went off with that and that that name. Snuck Booker. T. In the mighty great yet. He was very young inexperienced. But you know they put that. They put that record out and they had a new band okay. Let's let everybody who may be going. There's got to be at least one person out there to go green onions. Not Us on the heck. Is that how it manet here it. Oh of course here you go Okay first of all you gotTa Call Cropper for that. Just awesome little guitar heads. Yeah you know every four beats yes. And then you know I always find it really interesting when you get a cat like Booker T. WHO's you know? A musical genius was a prodigy on an end can play just about anything but is able to dial it back to simplicity and create just to solid hook. Yeah I know your brains got to be going well I could. I could put this diminished in here and then. There's the night though you know refraining from doing that to keep it solid and simple. I think the best musicians are like that. I mean when you think of like George. Harrison's guitar playing he's not he's not shredding and Steve Cropper for that matter to. He's an incredible rhythm guitar player. He can place him so lows. You know but that's not what it's about it's about being a band and the song you gotta serve his song. Yeah and you know there are certain songs where you know yeah. Shredding is You know what's required but Know I've said this time and time again I'll always keep saying that the you know the Muse Lies between the notes. You know you know jazz. Musicians are famously. You know about the space in between is the point and And you know you Kinda you kinda definitely feel it every everything's in its right place with that song. Yeah that's amazing with the how young the people in the band were to nineteen sixty two. So He's like what seventeen? Yeah Yeah and that's the same Same Summer Nineteen Sixty two. Before he went away to Bloomington to go to school that he met so many very important in his life and he was very important in this man's life and that was Otis Redding Boo Hoo. We talk about. That's right the big man we. We've talked about him on his biography. A little bit about us and you talked about rock and roll. Archaeology plays a big part. Yeah Yeah are stacks when we talked about stack the thing. I don't realize when we're talking about all this music. History is dislike. Booker was only seventeen when they met and Otis was only twenty. Yeah and they came from totally different. You know environments and upbringings. Otis was a purely instinctive you know singer and he was all about there was all emotion. Yeah whereas yeah book was a student you know and they just totally click from the moment oda sat down on on the piano bench. The story of Otis coming as a driver to drive his brand I think pine top Perkins or somebody who was mom and everybody thinking Otis was just the driver and the you know the Rhody and he had come specifically though because he wanted to sing for these people and he plopped himself down next to booker and started singing. These arms of mine and that was an booker was overcome. Just like he had been when he sat down and played from Holly Jackson. That's how how know I don't know affecting how deeply Otis touched him. Yeah yeah all right. So let's Let's put the king on here And play a little these arms of mine. Vive view. Who Know Ma. Ernie you'RE A and him that is that is really a an intense. So you just like Okay Otis. Whatever you say that's the way I feel from the female perspective. I'm sure that is A very common reaction. That's right he was quite a lady. Shurmur Gail They you know booker. Says that This you know from this time on started a friendship between them and their collaboration changed Booker's life and his attitudes towards music that he was composing and he otis became a staple of course at stax and one of basically their most important artist after he got there and So just as booker started. College in Indiana Grease. Let me. Let me just pause you firm. You know again I mean to give more accolades to Otis Redding. I mean You know I think this is the last working actually here. From from Otis's at right in the story with Booker. Oh we can he pops up again. All right yeah. Of course you know. He dies Nineteen sixty seven just after the Monterey pop festival where you know. It's his breakout performance. He's about ready to just become you know one of the biggest stars in the universe Dies in a plane crash and Just as a new song is about ready to hit which is sitting on the dock of the bay written just Just a couple of miles north of where we're at right now. UP IN Sausalito and becomes The first posthumous number one record on the billboard hot one hundred and not just that one but right before he died in a plane crash. He was composing and recording furiously. As Booker says though he had a premonition about his death So Yeah. It was a a huge loss. I think stacks itself was you know was concerned. They could even survive a young. When that's how important. Yeah that was the point. I wanted to manx. Yeah all right all right. Let's get back to the man in question Booker T. Booker went off to college. Just as green onions was becoming a total hit and the people in the music business couldn't believe that he was leaving. You know stacks even though he didn't really leave it to not take this opportunity to really dig into the MG's and two are and stuff like that because they had a hit but he was determined to go to college. That's what his parents wanted. That's what he wanted. He wanted to be able to teach music and he wanted to get a B. A. in music education but what he did was he split his time between Bloomington Indiana and Memphis and during the week he went to school. Took classes played in the marching band Like Normal College kid was in. You know another like a rock band. Also and on the weekends he took the bus or drove back to Memphis to play and record at stack so he was a busy busy boy and while you know what one thing he said was that Indiana was was a breath of fresh air because it was so much more liberal than Memphis Tennessee. Even though like we said Memphis had a strong middle-class black population yet Indiana ammunition. Sorry funny to think of now like Indiana was liberal. You know well at least ten was because it was a college town. Yeah and You know in an hour in the nineteen sixties and You know there is definitely. The civil rights movement is in full swing You know granted Indiana's not part of the the Jim Crow South although there's plenty of racism to be had everywhere but definitely an improvement but I can see that He would enjoy being in Indiana compared to school life. The campus was still segregated. I mean people were very kind and friendly and all that but the black kids who were in. The minority definitely hung out together. You know that was. That was the way it was when my high school in L. A? Too you know so things. Don't change that much but around this time also Isaac Hayes Join Stacks and Isaak's who went on to have a very big solo career. What you talking about and and Film Career Right And he became one of the staff songwriters also. They became a keyboard tag team owner between Booker T and most of these songs piano and organ so if you know they would just come in to record a song and one of them would take one chair and the other would take the other and that's how it that's how it worked out And around this time also Lewis. Steinberg made some drunken mistakes which got in thrown into the the Pan right before they were going to do a Gig in Knoxville. He drove his car up the steps of the Knoxville Coliseum and They had to play the GIG with just three people no bass player and while he was in jail. Steve Cropper got discussed it and had as I already on duck done Who was playing with the Marquees and so they just slid duck done in there and Pour Lui was out of out of a game out of a GIG job yeah He also realized that a certain point booker that You know he like I said he was very young and he was not well versed in the business of music as many musicians and especially black musicians as we know where taken advantage of by white producers and label owners and the same was true With Jim Stewart. Who came in? And you know I mean it was. A good guy fostered this great musical atmosphere but he also came in in order to get production credits for publishing rights for the songs that he recorded even though they were written for the most part by Booker T. R. Other people on staff so they never had their publishing rights which was something of course that Went on throughout the you know the music business as we well know Yeah So now we're going to get to a song that's kind of interesting because it had many different incarnations and he originally heard the song in nineteen sixty three when booker t and the Geez. Open for Jackie Wilson in Chicago and Jackie. Wilson was a a dynamic electric singer. The woman went total nuts for him and booker thought he was fantastic. `Bout four years later. Jackie Wilson had a big hit with the song higher and higher and this has a really interesting history for Booker. Because fast forward booker had a you know decided he liked to hear it and play it differently so he did a demo of higher and higher his own way which he had. Rita coolidge her sister. Priscilla who became Booker's wife Friday sang backup with him and then later later he produced Rita doing his arrangement of higher and higher and it was a huge. I think that was the biggest Version if I remember Oh yeah yeah should. We play a little of e. l. a little bit just so we'll start but we don't. I'm sorry we don't have the demo of booker singing it. But later in his life he record similar one himself at which has a lot in common with the redick versus the same arrangement. Okay so but well. Let's start with Jackie Wilson which was the original Out there and then We'll go to Rita. Let's do the Big One. Rita's and then Booker t's of most recent version of that okay of Higher and higher your love has lifted me higher and higher. John Hi Phone. So this is not we saw was a sleep had just. Oh man that Jackie Wilson version. Ooh That's hot. Oh pocket the backup. Oh Yeah Yeah that you want to talk about high and of course he's already got a four octave range and now you've got these background going. Oh my God yeah I was I actually. I listen to that going after. Really up there But of course you know we do get to see that I think there was number six Number six Hot One hundred I think it was number one on the arm beat charts and then Rita version gutted number two so You know you know the the read. One hit two different eras. Thank you very much for getting me out of that mess all right. So did we listened to. Yeah okay. Yeah I'm sorry. Yeah and brokers keep all right all righty so even though let's we're going back to nineteen sixty three here because we just hopscotched picture three. He's nineteen and he just gets married. Are doing this in a delorean or no. We're just doing this in our imaginations here. Okay all right. So he got married to somebody named G G And she became immediately pregnant with booker. T the third our first son and they lived in married students housing which was of course a different experience from most of the people at school. Meanwhile Booker was you know on the road back and forth to Memphis arguably not a good Probably a very attentive first time dad because he was very very busy. Yes very busy. He's still driving back and forth from From Indiana to Memphis right right and He's still got a full school load and workload goody. Yeah so yeah. During the same period around nine hundred sixty four. He recorded another record with Carla Thomas at stax and This one was interesting because he was trying to arrange it in a way that she liked and he tried every rhythm and tempo he could think of and finally she got sick of the whole thing and decided she didn't want to do the song but like a true like a true true saying He was persistent and finally he realized it needed a motown style baseline to work and played it for her and she was really excited and they did the song and everybody loved it and you know what his point is that all the elements had been there the vocalist. The you know the song but that he needed to arrange them all into a way. That actually made it work with what makes him. A great arranger. Do need a rangers. Yes we do. This song knows he also does that. Yeah B. A. B. Y. Baby all the I could figure that out the baby baby all right. Let's listen to it baby out. Oh I love you to call Me Bay a and say oh all right Elo check. What are we talking about? What Song do we just play? We played B. A. B. Y. Baby like Carla. Thomas of just wanted to make you spell it out again. B. A. B. What. Okay let's get back to the store. Let's get back to the story. No more listening to me seeing all right. So meanwhile Otis was getting more into rock and roll yes that rock and roll business while he was around by them there. At the Monterey pop festival he could see he could see the excitement. He could see what was coming. You could see that this was a coming out party of which the Monterey pop festival really is. That's right and book could tell us about going to Monterey pops festival right after they. Mg got back from a European tour and they were still wearing their their -til mohair suits and really you know didn't quite Fit In in Monterey California which there was all hippies and everything But you know in one of the songs they played at. Monterey pop was satisfaction. Now I thought it was. You know by the rolling stones as we. All know. Weight is by the rolling stones. I famously thought up by Keith Richards. In the middle of the night by turning on a tape recorder and forgetting about it and finding it the next morning He does admit that the line itself was created originally as a horn. Line but later Famously just kept with the distorted guitar and ushered in all whole new sound in nineteen sixty. Five's right well. It's it's very interesting. Because Booker says in his book is that satisfaction was meant to be a guitar song. Now maybe what he meant is it actually succeeded. Better as Guitar Song He thought that the opening on the stone song was perfect and actually booker. Another instrument he played was guitar but he was discouraged from playing guitar by stacks because they weren't oriented really towards guitar but he loved Playing Guitar but he realized that satisfaction needed that Electric Guitar And that gave it some authority and that that lick you know that so famous made history but Otis wanted to do it anyway so they put in horns. They made a really tight arrangement but booker says while the stones record bounced and danced along our stomped and smashed in the face who covers the rolling stones anyway. Well all the bar bands do now including myself But yeah it is kind of interesting that you know look to stones famously. Start off is You know needless ban trying to imitate African American Blues You know these guys were were aficionados. Richards Jagger Jones and in. It's kind of full circle here that Otis and believe the the bark as the horn section. They're playing on that Particular version from the whisky a go go Along with booker t and the M Jesus the the backing ban That you know they are now taking a white band. That's trying to play black blues and now so it's cool. It's awesome that That that everybody is picking off of everybody at this point. Yeah that's what makes music interesting Right Yeah Yeah. That's how it goes forward. You know you know you steal and mix and meld oldest song song. I wanted to talk about his by a pair that I just love and they are Salmon Dave now salmon day were an important stacks group too and they were you know they did incredible duets. They danced they were fanatic entertain jobs. Yeah and A song that they did around that time. That booker played and arranged is called when something is wrong with my baby is actually written by Isaac Hayes and the other staff songwriter. Who I can't recall who. It was when booker heard them composing it in the next room. He was just drawn to it. It's like I have to play on that record too. I mean that's going to be an incredible record. And one of the things that drew him to it was that it was depicting life and love in. Its most beautiful state. And that's something he felt like he didn't have in his life yet like he and his wife didn't have a great relationship. He didn't feel like you know really in love and he so he was searching for that for a long time. And on this song Isaac is playing the piano and Booker's playing the Oregon and he gives a beautiful explanation of how they laid the song out. How there's This Gospel. Piano the answering be three and has played in six eight time and I would like to play it from the second verse. Which is Sam Moore? Who had really the more I think? Beautiful Voice and emotional rendering and booker says this is a record never to be forgotten all right. So let's play a little Osaman days when something is wrong with my baby A That I mean to me that the combination of the organ a Soaring Life Dad. And like you said the piano. And Sam and Dave's voice is is just chilling. Doll there yet. It's all that so. He got his B. A in music. Education moved back to Memphis full time and he felt like the music education. Was you know really worth having Under his belt he gained the ability to transcribe music score proficiency and knowledge of brass strings and woodwinds which helped him become a regular arranger at stax and a knowledge of music history that made him better at creating music and while he was at stax. He played every conceivable instrument. Whatever was needed or ask for from Tambourine Tuba. Yeah I liked that tambourine. Speaking of teas. It's like we're on sesame street and T is. The is the letter the letter the letter t the letter is t tambourine to Tuba. Booker. T. Booker T. Time is tight. Time is tight. Okay so we better than Peiris. Yeah when he hopper blocker another a very well known I think song of Booker t and the M Geez is hip. Hug Her Love that does that. That's got here. Yeah I like it to me. I'm I'm very drawn to baselines and so that that is it for me. Why don't you marry one? I WANNA marry a baseline. Mary a baseline. When I grow up when I got to college I learned how to play the Bass just because I love baseline so there you go. Yeah Oh optum you're not a bass player. I can play the bass. Okay you know but now I'm learning how to play the piano. I know I'm you WANNA make singer. I'm Kinda like Booker T. You know I believe the Bass Guitar the piano the flute all very very badly. But you know still. I'm spreading it. Yeah Yeah like a like a virus. Right I'm spreading it like peanut butter. Actually we gotta get moving man. We'll get we'll get by being silly. Okay another incredible performer and artist. That booker worked with Albert King. Now before he worked with Albert King. He'd heard rumors about Albert being scary and violent but he was actually totally sweet and they worked up a song for Albert King called born under a bad sign. Though it. Well now I don't I did not know. I thought that was a traditional song but that was written by William Bell with music by Booker and because astrology was kind of big at the time. That's that's why the L. Road at like that and Albert King provides of course. His Amazing Guitar Fills Booker. Said he was like a contortionist when he played the guitar and of course he was left handed and That I believe he played the guitar upside down. But I'm not really sure I'd played a flying V so it doesn't matter. Oh okay you just flip it around I'm sure that not add to be changed but Yeah knobs were probably no. I don't know I don't know maybe. But but he mostly played applying via remember. Yeah I don't know I mean now I do. I know that now a flying v. well she. I've helped. I've done my duty to this. I nineteen sixty seven Oh I thought it was sixty four but if you say at sixty seven you must not yet probably is. Yeah Yeah it was recording sixty six okay But it came out in sixty seven. All right yeah listen Born under a bad sign down since I began to crawl Bet now her move well. You know the interesting thing about this. We tried to play that song in my band and it seems like it's simple but when it kept confusing us and now. I know why because it doesn't follow the typical twelve bar. Blues one four five Progression Right. So you know it's like you keep thinking. Oh we're are we changing that no? We're not changed. Wait now are changing. It's just kinda catches you a little off guard makes it interesting. Yeah Kinda also gives me a little early southern rock Sound to it. I mean it's it's definitely blues but this you know sixty seven so just to be you know a couple of years. Before southern rock you know begins to take up. Sixty nine seventy Sort of period with the ALLMAN brothers But but precursor. Yeah it sounds like a little bit of a precursor day and just listening to it again. You know. It doesn't Song I've heard a million times round but You know thinking about it and going. Wow that's just such a fucking bad ass songs now. Yeah but you already touched on. Otis's death that happened in nineteen sixty seven and of course devastated. Everyone and booker had to play At the funeral and just was in another world because he was grieving himself and he had to concentrate to play. He had to actually open the music. You know to read the music to play the organ part that he knew very well because he was so grief stricken And then a you know in nineteen sixty eight We now stacks was in Memphis in this area of town where the movie theater and there weren't that many places in Memphis for black and white people to meet and since stacks was at a movie. Theater didn't have a meeting room so they would meet at this hotel called the. Lorraine Motel which accepted both blacks and whites and they would have their meetings there where they would have meals there. They would swim in the pool and then they would go back and finish their recording and that happened to be where. Martin Luther King was assassinated in April nineteen sixty eight. Yeah the same hotel. They were highly disturbed. I mean he was highly disturbed for many reasons but it felt personal because it felt like this happened in our backyard. This was our church you know like how dare somebody killed. King on my back porch down like a two blocks away from the stax Studios Air. So but that that sparked something in booker to like really question The situation and and racial harmony in Memphis. Which you know was not harmonious at all. You know maybe truce would be a better word to to play of course. Now who's an agreement? GonNa live side-by-side just faulk really each show Brown versus board of Education of Topeka. Kansas separate but equal is not equal. No bullshit just. Yeah and don't get me started but Yeah I can imagine that things And I do know for a fact that things begin to change for The African American musicians At that moment feeling that You know this Quote Unquote Truth. Wasn't really working out for them. Right and specifically at stacks The the realization that Booker had was oh. I thought that we were all friends and equals. Here it's only within the walls of the studio and maybe the Lorraine Hotel but otherwise the white people I work with are not my friends. They're not going beyond work and you know beyond Daily interactions and what he said was the relationship failed to evolve into a sense of caring beyond the boundaries of our workspace and one really good example of this and not to say you know. Steve Cropper is a racist but this was the place and time he was born in that he made a comment in a magazine after king was killed and basically said hey was a racially cool place until Martin Luther King showed up and booker was just shocked that he would say something like that but it just shows kind of the tone deafness of white people about the true experience of black people. You know. It's like everything's going along fine for me. I don't know why somebody's complaining. But it's like you don't know what it's like for the Black People in Memphis because you're white. How would you know booker had to really realize and swallow and it led to him questioning being at stax and playing with booker t and the M Jeez? Yeah there was a lot of soul-searching After King's death and now the rioting set occurred You know as we say and rock and roll. Archaeology nineteen sixty eight was a was a blood a year. Anyway you looked at it In Vietnam Cross Europe And certainly in America. Yeah but he had a little bit of reprieve for certain amount of time after this period where he was invited to a Hollywood producer director named jewel visual descent. I don't know if he was actually French. But that's how you would pronounce it if it was French to score the music for a major Hollywood feature film called uptight which was a movie. Some people consider now the first blaxploitation film there was a movie about a struggle of two revolutionary black brothers in Cleveland and he had to actually go to Paris For the post production and realized while he was in Paris That you know Paris was was really wonderful to be and because it didn't have that regional baggage that the US and especially the south had and he was able to really be feel more comfortable and feel freer moving about and and you know enjoying the delights of Paris. Yeah and you know. Many African American artists have experienced. That of You know going to Europe and finding that they are treated with far more respect than a at home in America right One of the songs he wrote at this time for that movie was called. Johnny I love You. And this was the first song that he was allowed to sing on at stax. He wasn't permitted to sing the. Mg's all said wit. No none of us is a good and a vocalist to record but EUCHRE actually has a beautiful voice and He was very pleased to be able to. You know be the actual singer on this very personal Song that he wrote called Johnny. I love you. Let's do it Johnny. I love you johnny. Johnny Johnny the world's coal and your man. It's huge when me Jonah. Right to the job as a baby. Hey it's the first time we get here booker. T Jones sink. Oh Yeah he's I love his voice warm in you know beautiful. It's Otis not Sam and Dave But it's him. Yeah yeah it fits his musical personality. It's your sworn yeah. It's not like is a case You know who has that attitude just about everything he does but it. It just fits perfectly in nicely It sits sweetly in the music. Yeah and the song that we played at the beginning of this episode time is tight was also written in France and was part of the soundtrack of the of the movie uptight. So Yeah. We'll visit that again. Very end stay tuned folks okay so he meets Priscilla Coolidge Rita. Coolidge sister around this time and he just falls for her he eventually gets a divorce from his wife. G G and this you know relationship with Priscilla is kind of fraught from the get go. people cautioned him not to get together with her and certainly not to marry her and it turned out. You know she really may have been kind of using him because she wanted to further her own musical career and in fact you know even though he produced three of her albums and she had a great voice. I mean arguably technically better than Rita's. She kind of blamed him for never making her a star where she thought that he had made Rita start with higher and higher. And isn't that up to her. Yeah so okay so yeah. We've talked about that before. You know what stardom it's not all technical ability that's for sure no in fact now you can put out. The you know the coolest hottest record Out there and if it just doesn't arrive at the right moment it's there's nothing you can do it so fickle. It's you know a lot of people like to assume. Oh today we can. We can do it with algorithms and we have the data points to be able to put a song cantering. Karen P top PAN and That's bullshit yeah when the music quality is Reduced to a you know a lack of serious competition. You might be able to get away with that but not in those days Where you know everybody's just trying to one up each other Thank you John Paul George and Ringo for starting off but You know that was still going strong You Know Ten fifteen even twenty years beyond that. Yeah their relationship. Didn't go well I I know he was in it for much longer than he thought was healthy for him. can good man. He probably tried his best tried. Everything he could. And Didn't work ethic. Didn't she get murdered or something? She was involved in a murder suicide. I. She left him for Ed Bradley. The newscaster and then data four minutes. Yeah and then they divorced then then she married somebody else who ended up killing her and himself Yeah she had a tragic end very sad. Meanwhile the hippie movement was Of full swing yet. Not Affecting Booker. Because he's in also you know king's death and and kind of seeing what was going on it stacks and not being included you know night being given publishing rights and his fair share of the money. That was being made at stacks He wrote a song called Ole man trouble and I know there's other songs named old man trouble but this was his song and he stayed up at the studio. Very late. Brought some musicians in and made this great recording long with horns and he took it to Alabel at home because he was so excited about it Al Bell who is also a black man. Maui means tax running stacks a businessman so he was more conservative because his job in his money dependent on being kind of conservative. And the song was basically you know kind of the black man as a slave in current society and bell rejected it and said we can't put this out and that's when booker knew that he had no place at stax anymore that he he needed to keep going ahead with his career and not still being quote a slave on the plantation so unfortunately when he had this realization he went back and erased the tape of the song but I found a later version of it on Youtube. I thought we could play a little bit of it because it is very affecting and shows state mind that he was in at the time. Okay so let's listen to a little of a redone. Version of all men trouble by booker. T Johnson There's a trouble follows me everywhere now. Yeah that's quite a departure from what he had been composing and you know we get to hear his voice again. Which as I said. It's beautiful and shortly. After he erased the tape he left for La. He left all his possessions in Memphis and went to L. A. And nine hundred sixty nine where billy Preston had previously kind of lured him there by saying what. You're not making any money out there in Memphis I'm making like fifty thousand dollars or whatever yeah He had to join after. You know Is that that's the music Union right anyway. He joined the Music Union and started making some money he met Leon. Russell got involved. You know in the Laurel Canyon. Scene He Got a a house with Priscilla and Rita who had been living with Leon Russell moved in with them with her nine cats and they had all kinds of characters. Like Joe Cocker and Stephen Stills and Graham Nash and you know hanging out at their house so it got kind of incorporated into the hippie movement. He spent some time in Malibu. He started doing session. Work with people. Like Richie Havens Actually I think he produced bill withers album. Ain't no sunshine He worked with Barbra. Streisand Stephen Stills Rita Willie Nelson Bob Dylan. Jackie de Shannon Chris. Christopherson the band. You know he was just like call right in the middle of all that stuff of course. Yeah now one day when Bob Dylan was visiting him on his ranch in Malibu He took his guitar outside and played a song for book called Forever. Young and book or felt like he was being blessed by a rock icon. Or somebody like in the presence of Woody Guthrie when when Bob Dylan was serenading him. Any as booker what he thought of the song and Booker said he should record it but when he finally recorded at sunset. Nothing like the song had played a booker's how so that was bob. Dylan you know. He's constantly reforming and changing rearranging his music. Now in Nineteen seventy-three Bob knocked on. Booker's door just after midnight and asked him to come to Burbank to play bass on a track and booker was like what are you talking about. Can we do this tomorrow? But he went anyway and it turned out. They were recording knocking. On Heaven's door for the movie soundtrack Pat Garrett and Billy. They live Chris Christopherson. Who was like got so much money from that movie and was like dumbfounded? Like what am I supposed to do with all this money? Oh I know I think I'll go by circle also having store. Here's Booker T. Plan Bates Boats is madge little main McCain us. Get to every once in a while. There's one of those songs of Bob Sings that you go. Jesus Christ he can sing. Good you know I. I just got to see him a couple of months ago. The Frost Theater and the third or fourth time. I've seen him in this time. It was like Oh the full Bob Dylan experience where you're like okay. I get it. Yeah he's saying he's saying pretty good and you know it's back and forth and played some songs that everybody knew and you know. He kind of enjoyed the crowd and the crowd enjoyed him. And you know you can be quite the ICONOCLAST onstage and anyway Yeah I did know. Booker T. played bass on that yeah. He played on many things. I think that we don't know about and who knows what instrument was Unfortunately around Nine hundred in nineteen seventy five out Jackson. Junior was shot in the back and killed. And I'm the murder was never solved. That it's something. That's still obviously rankles with booker that Black Man's murder is not taken seriously and he you know continues considers that far more than just L. Jackson Oh Yeah I mean no I mean that was but that was a personal example of like are you. GonNa follow this up or you're gonNA solve the murder. Oh I guess it's not that important And but so that was sad because then when the Geez you know did get back together Once in a while. They didn't have their their drummer. You know they actually at one point he bumped into Ringo on in L. A. And said you know just decided to ask him if he would ever play on any of his recordings and Ringo just said call Jim Feltner so Jim. Kellner ended up to be somebody that filled in for Jackson junior on he time to time. Yeah and Jim Keller's quite the month. Yeah Yeah Jim Shelters Awesome Another awesome awesome a musician. That booker became quite friendly with and hold on a minute. I guess yeah. And he talks about smoking weed with Willie Nelson to quite a bit like at one point. He was producing so he produced his his album. Stardust which was one. Of course. Willy's I'm you know best selling albums. I think where he does standards. So they got together in Malibu and just jammed and then Willy asked him to come and record an album for him which they recorded in in Emmylou Harris's house because her husband. Brian had a mobile recording truck in the driveway. Well I guess if it sitting there he's gotta use it use it. He makes a joke about you. Know if that's something that would cause divorce in many a family truck out of my driveway. they placed instruments in different rooms in the house and the recording was done in ten days. And the interesting thing about the song stardust was that it was written by Hoagy Carmichael who also went to college at the Indiana University School of Music. Just her dead. That's cool booker. Thought that was really cool. And what he learned at music school he used to write charts for Willie's version of the song which is his favourite version of the song. All right. Well let's listen to Willie Nelson's version of a of a very well cupboard Song from nineteen twenty seven by Hoagy. Carmichael Stardust Some wonder why dream on Saul bellow all smile referee. I once again you want. Our Love was new. Oh love that plucking. Willie there His with trigger right. That's the name of his guitar and Says he got so stoned on the set that often. He forgot where they were. You know like book snap out of it. Well give me the. We'd get some work. Done and booker wasn't a big drug-takers either so that was funny his relationship with Priscilla tanks right after priscilla adopts a baby girl like the next day without telling booker like I'm bringing a baby girl home that I signed up to adopt and then a year later. Priscilla leaves him for Ed Bradley. So he's now a single father and he meets his current wife. Nan. In nineteen eighty three. It was love and attraction at first sight. She had her own children. He had his own children. They had a blended family and then they had three children of their own so they have quite a big Multiracial blended family. In fact one whole chapter. He writes about his love and appreciation for his wife. So sweet. Yeah it's very found happy. It's for real this. He learned from his mistakes and he don't we all. Yeah well we don't know I do but I don't think I try I think about it. Yeah I mean when I make a mistake or an error or anything else yeah. Let's put time and effort into it like bad marriages. Hopefully I haven't had too many of those. Yeah I haven't had any of those. She had the one good. While you're there you go yeah. You're lucky I'm smart. Yeah so the next amazing musician he hooks up with this Neil Young. Oh Dan kind of don't really new young. Yeah just got as a citizen. Why he's been trying to get them for years. Apparently they were on hold because of A moral clause because he's smoking weed. Okay Yeah but apparently that those of us who are born in the United States. Get to smoke weed. They haven't made a no weed smoking. Citizenship clause yet. It's only know pregnant women anyway so I believe he used Tim Keller on that album. But I'm not sure now that I think about it but the Duck Dunn and Booker t Jones produced. Neal's album are you. Passionate and booker has nothing but great things to say about Neil and hurts performances that they were passionate they always have magic in them and Booker was moved by his music. Almost more than anyone else's yeah very only will be happy to hear that I. I don't think anybody's ever had bad things to say about. And he'll they have like things to say about shaky just you know more. You Know Disney'll does his own thing but nobody ever has anything bad things to say about. Neil yeah but booker says was Neil Young. You don't have to like him. You just had to love him so that song that I think shows you know booker's influence on Neil plus. I can hear the organ in the background is when I hold you in my arms. Dr. I do it when I hold you in my arms by Neil. Young and booker t Jones mom breath of fresh when our whole you and mom off? Forget oneself those people with a face off the street. That was cool with Neil. Yeah all right so I think we're getting close to the end here. Yes not the end of his musical career. Imagine I'm just going to have to be a volume. Two right. Maybe yeah. Maybe because he's still busy is held he is. He's very busy I just wanted to note that in ninety four the MG's came back together to record an instrumental album and they won their very first. Grammy if you can believe that it's Kinda hard to believe. They should have gotten a grammy for green onions. But Anyway Was for a a song called cruising for best pop instrumental performance and then Oh seven they won a lifetime achievement award from the recording academy so that was a big deal In twenty twelve he played at the White House Now what he remembers about that is that Obama wanted to enter the room to green onions. Instead of Hail to the chief of Gore Miss Him Redo and and in two thousand thirteen he came back again to the White House. Do a memphis soul Performance and Obama sang a few bars of. Let's stay together. Which hounded him till the end because every time he went somewhere people wanted him to see saying right. Yeah and nowadays Booker is a still active. He's on the road in fact his son. Ted Plays Guitar With Him David Night. My husband and I saw booker in San Francisco and they played He has two different things he does. He has a kind of a smaller group that he plays with. What's his son Ted and then he does some shows that are called the stacks review where they have a ten piece ensemble and they play songs from all the P otas Salmon Dave Booker. You know the. Mg's picking stuff like that. That's the one we saw. That was that was really cool. All the good stuff. Yeah and his. He's become quite a a family business now. His wife is a tour manager. Ted Ted Plays Guitar manages the musicians. His daughter is the their manager and she's also a lyricist and his other daughter is their social media director. So it really is. It's really really neat that they can do that together. So I thought it would be nice to kind of You know have our last song. Be a song that he does with his son which is called father-son Blues. Now right let's Let's play a little of that and then we'll We'll come back. With the you know the the recap the review and And then work our way out of here all right father and son. Blues and we're back we are. Yeah Yeah I really liked this book and I really Encouraged people to listen to it on audio you hear Booker's smooth and reassuring voice and you hear all those musical phrases that he plays on the Oregon and Yeah it's really cool way to listen to it One thing. I was struck by while reading. The book was that I've read now. Two books in short time That have memphis as a kind of a backdrop and Yeah was just really interesting to remember the description of Robert Johnson's time in Memphis and then booker. T's time in Memphis and I also love how he sometimes more than some people might want people that aren't musicians but he describes in great detail. You Know Chord progressions how the song came together. How the different musicians played on them. What made what made the songs work you know? All as a part and Yeah I found that very interesting because I'm interested so what you say that it's gravitates mostly to musicians or you think it just doesn't matter. I don't think it matters. I mean you know. That's not a huge part of the book. You know it's just like if you're interested you read it and maybe go to the piano and go like what did he mean by that you know. Let me try to or listen to the songs and try to you know. Follow along with his description but the way that he writes and how he kind of connects memories back and forth and his nice storytelling style. I think anybody interested in that kind of music and any of the musicians. I've mentioned in stacks in general would really enjoy this book. All right. Well go out and grab booker. T's new memoir. Also I think you said he's got a new album. That's so yeah it's called Note by note by note is out and about And if he's touring near you you gonNA WANNA grab a ticket all right so you liked the book. I did and I liked booker to. Yeah Yeah he. He certainly comes across as a class act doesn't he? Yeah he really does all right gentlemen. Well of course you know to end this We gotta go back to the beginning in play The more UPTEMPO portion of Thomas Tight Yeah I think that's fitting because you know time is tight end time you know goes through the book and you know the present and the past is the future and it's time to go. Yeah and it's time time is tight here. We will see you with the next episode of Rock and Roll Librarian. Do you know what the book is going to be I'm looking at a a memoir. That's coming oh I know this can be the doors horace. Well no one. No one here gets out alive. Yeah the Old Yeah the issue. I do stuff but this one's all all right look forward to that and let's get out with time. Is Tight movie. Her ooh local rock and roll librarian. Reduced and hosted by Christian Swain Co host Shelley starts and all sound design incidental music by Jerry Jones quotes performed actors unless noted find all of our shows notes social links at www dot townsville in podcast dot com. Or wherever. You listen to great podcasts. All songs have you found purchase on itunes spotify or Google play please purchase great and important tracks find us on facebook at the RN are. We are on instagram. At our our archaeology at our and our our he'll itchy.

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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 01-01-2021 - Happy New Year

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:00:10 hr | 3 months ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 01-01-2021 - Happy New Year

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Go section of the application you reach the right place. A destination call also. It's the biro an ex. You know what's next. It's a bowl of so a mix to of so music. And i want to wish you a happy new year. This is jonathan winstead. And you're listening to a bowl of soul. A mix of soho music. Get ahead another year. Oh yes you know. Many numerous resolutions somehow always find solution. But this is my year this old and bring the ban every year so many. But somehow i j but now this e gonna correct all these. I'm self what dow put you got that done days. But only tau just around by george yes a happy and yeah can hang pay. Plays this blow up bic stew of so music and i wanted to give you a hot new year. Soul song from jimmy jewels in the nucleus sound system from nineteen seventy seven and jimmy gills has backed up marvin gaye. Little willie john otis redding and other grades and he has written songs for johnny taylor archie bell in the drills etta james and three degrees and that this style. He was also known for his funky single call. Christmas done got funky and this is a bowl of soul a mixture of music. Happy new year to all of you know. Twenty twenty was some damn year and you know what i was just two done. I wanted to throw it out the window. Your with cove. And then the massive number of deaths of people all across this country from this corona rona virus. You know and we lost some great this year in you know the year before even covet got crazy. We kicked off the year with the death of kobe. Bryant and his daughter gianna. I'm telling you. But you know what. I'm looking forward to a better year is gonna be a stellar year and this twenty twenty one. We're go make it the best that we can make baby coming up knicks. We got a nice song from otis redding collar. Thomas from nineteen sixty eight talking about new year's resolution and this is a bowl of so this is a man mandy folks. Y'all checking on a bowl of so. We wanted hottest. Dj's days in a land professor t low say they fan win New york our work. This is a bowl of salt. Giving you some soul from the king and queen of soul stax records spreading call a. Thomason this was offered the album coal king and queen and it was it was call. Thomas fourth album and otis redding six and the final studio album before his death on december tenth nineteen sixty seven and they had this single on this album called new year's resolution man. This thing was so so so hot. Given you some classic soul and be coming up nex bhagat to give you something. I feel would uplift the nation even though it's a it's a classic soul song from nineteen sixty six. I still think it's relevant talking about reach out. I'll be there and we all need to reach out to one another in this time and we're gonna make it through baby coming to you right here on a bowl of seoul the four tops talking about reach out. I'll be there. And this is a bowl of soul. Detroit michigan motown motown motown sound paul. And big it off you can give you some classic soul from the four tops. This song was number one on the rhythm and blues chart for two weeks and on the billboard. Hot one hundred for two weeks from october. Fifteenth through october twenty. Second one thousand nine hundred sixty six and distract also reached number one on the u k singles chart becoming motown's second u k chart topper after the supreme nineteen sixty four release. A baby love. This song reached number one in october. One thousand nine hundred sixty six stayed there for three weeks and rolling stone right this song number two hundred and six on his its list of the five hundred greatest songs of all time and billboard raked this song as the number four song with one thousand nine hundred sixty six and amazing how they came up with the song in terms of holland dozier and holland who were writing new songs for the four tops record for an album and the ma dosier has said that he wanted to write a journey of emotions but sustained tension like a bolero. If you listened to a spanish bolero there's a lot of attention. I loved boleros by the way to get this across. He said he had the ultimate the keys from a minor. Now you notice it got that russian feel the did it did it. You get hear. The russian feel on the song and also has a gospel field because it has that caller response on it and lamont or lamont doja developed the lyrics with eddie holland aiming for them to sound as though they were being thrown down. Vocally you know what i'm saying so this song is considered one of the greatest songs that you know the four tops. This is their signature song. And you know the deep because you can hear the intensity on a song and it was a big stretch for the four tops and this is a bowl of solo. And we're going to stay in motown on the gordy record label miss yvonne fair from one thousand nine hundred seventy talking about stay a little longer and this is a bowl of so this is eric b turner and you're listening to professor t love on a bowl of soul a mix stew of soul music. owner stay a little long and know you have to go home to never thank god time brad Classic soul nineteen seventy. We celebrate here. This yvonne fair who at the recommendation her husband. She got her last name. Married name fair from she saying shantelle. Staying with james brown's review in nineteen sixty one and then later on. She hooked up with chuck jackson. Who took to motown records. And she was on not the gordy record label but the soul record label and she had this song stay a little longer and she was the opening act. When she was at motown's she was the opening act for the temptations. The jackson five mama. Gay and norman whitfield and she worked with producer. Norman whitfield on a series of singles. Love ain't no toy door if you wanna you know and then later on and also she had a child with james brown. Her daughter was venetia brown who had passed away on twenty eighteen at the age of fifty three but she has a son by leroy fair. Julia as well you know as she was also married to wanted to. Oj's sammy strain. Also at at one time. And we celebrate miss yvonne fair right here on a bowl of sold and it was also noted that when she retired from singing in the nineteen eighties she worked as dionne warwick wardrobe coordinator and this is a bowl of solar and coming up next on a stay in detroit with this classic. R&b so group the masqueraders talking about one more chance and this is a bowl of saw. This is your man jay. Most in your listening to soul music at its best. A bowl of soul mixed stool of soul music Three stars do you and your mind. A right law giving you some classic soul from this group which started out asked to wipe group from dallas texas and then they ended up in the motor city and they will on this record. Label call a beat records. They have a really stellar history. The masqueraders talking about one more chance and that single was written by fred. Bridges and fred. Bridges was a member of the brothers of soul from detroit michigan. They had a couple of singles masqueraders in detroit michigan between nineteen sixty. Six one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. Some of the singles they had was the family. I'm gonna make it together. That's the only way. Be happy for me. I got the power of what you just heard one more chance and you know. This style was similar to that of the temptations. You know we celebrate the masqueraders from dallas texas right here on a bowl of soul and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of saul music from fifty homes a little bit of the sixty sixty sixty thrown in with similar. Seventy seventy seventy mix. Well with the with the bring to boil with the ninety nine at just a judge of the future the that's our recipe for a bowl of soul. So this is laura rain from laura and the caesar's detroit right. You are listening to a bowl of soldiers from fifty assist a little bit of the sixty sixty sixty thrown in with similar. Seventy seven seventy gotta give to yo twice as the off report Old man Also close reduce absol. Maybe i love to close to win that got that soul touch audit it baby. You know this hawk is back to the days when you heard. Am radio and you know you put on that stack of forty five rpm records on your record play. Baby make sure you support laura rain and the seasons talking about closer to the wind. You can check out bislama rain and the by going to her website. Laura r. a. dot net. That is something new. Twenty twenty one baby giving it up give it up to lorraine and the seasons talking about closer to the wind. The s baby. We are closer to win. I wanna play. Promo are baby. This is lorraine from laura rain and the caesar's detroit. You are listening to a bowl of soul a mix do of so music with your host professor t love. Thank you laura. I love it. Baby i love and make sure you holler at them and go to her website. Laura rain dot net giving you some detroit so baby. I felt that coming up next. We got some new music from keith. Andes talking about all i want. Is you knew so but twenty twenty one and this is a bowl of so so again. I walked into the room with no expectations. Just astonished everybody and here. I am at a bowl of saul with professor. T love stu late seedbed late show really phone to a were. So get one ed's usami was not you. Also the fantasy try loving maximum embiid displaying on angela. What's twenty twenty one from keep who was acclaimed songwriter and producer. Who has sold more than one. Hundred and fifty million records and work with artists. Such as michael jackson prince lionel ritchie boys to men arron level catarrhal. Toni braxton mary. J. blige deborah cox. Natasha bedingfield and bed lua to name a few. He is a classically trained pianist. Orchestration and composition and keeps prowess his prowess in both vocal production and instrumental arrangements and numerous platinum and gold sales was for major labels including capitol records columbia epic and wanna brothers which are some of the top record labels a testable musical brilliance and his mastery as producer and a songwriter was written for baby face as shit. James ingram invoke and after seven and he has written also music for film television and film like beverly hills nine two one all the jacksons and american dream. The nutty professor panther at jason's lyric and others. Make sure you catch up with this brother keith. Andes and you look for his single. All i want issue you can check that song out on spotify and also apple music music. That apple dot com. We celebrate you keith. This beautiful song right here on a bowl of so coming up next week. Got some more new music from moody banks talking about saturday and this is a bowl of soul. Hi my name. Is andy stokes. And you're listening to a bowl of soul a mix of so basic own Run now never ran and some slow trying on tuesday wednesday thursday friday sunday on x running. Wanna see the break. So i start with sauce trying i say on say slow and crash waiting in there know we still talk trying day day. I say on as days scenes just home. Let's see the right giving you some new music from moody banks talking about saturday. You know woody bases r&b so artists originally from southern california but she nabbed currently resides in austin texas. You know definitely easily identified by her unique soundscape. Studying visuals moody banks uses a smoky. Outdoor sounds over infectious pop looks and modern. R&b production to create moods. What every occasion make sure you support moody banks with her single saturday. You can get that single on music that apple dot com you. Check her out on soundcloud and also on spotify giving you some new aren be baby for twenty twenty one coming up next. We go and play you something from ray goodman and brown talking about take it to the limit. This is like a reissue of their material. Check this out right here on a bowl of so hi. This is iho and you're listening to a bowl of soul a mixture of soul music. We didn't come tonight. We don't get closer type. Let's take you to the world Man you not just one but the a show a minimum this shoot brown talking about taking the linen for ninety eight sisters sounded good re bastard. This is on office surprises. Take it to the limit. Make sure you look for that long on amazon dot com or music apple dot com. But this is a reissue of. Take it to the limit and i'm gonna leave you with a great new year's melody medley from the south seoul celebrating twenty twenty one baby right here on a bowl of oh took twenty twenty one and as we go forward we're going to have a great year. I want to thank all of you for supporting a bowl of soul through twenty twenty. I hope that my show has helped you get through some rough times. And i hope that music that apps selective for you bring up your spirits and i really do believe that we are going to have a better year. We have to stay strong. Move forward we're resilient and like the song ended with god bless america. I really do believe in america and we are blessed. Were more blessed in. You know we may have lost some people. We lost many things in this last year. But i celebrate the best for twenty twenty one. And i just want to thank all of you for supporting a bowl of soul sticking with a bonus soul and carrying goal is so you make sure you stay tuned with a bowl of salt. 'cause we got some great things coming up in this new year. I am so so so excited about what's going to be happening with a bowl of soul and continue to bring you quality programming. I wanna give a shout out to the sound of soul with karen. Greg and gary and gary indiana by mid western people's wanna give a shoutout also to as c. c. Wctc radio in seattle washington. Wanna give a shout out also to rhythm soul radio in the uk and also to the surrey hill. Soul train with nigel. Thomas giving a shout out to them and you know they looking good doing some great things out there in the uk a definitely supporting them and also special formula radio down in jacksonville. Florida working with yours truly yours truly melva jordan of the heavy storm quiet storm and also gospel vibrations. Wanna give a shout out to him as well and as well as also asked radio out in salt lake city utah just given blossom love and also the fabulous progressive network right here in the heart of new york city. Shout out to jesse. Add to mr gary. No gave me my start nine years ago and to me. It's a milestone for me. So i definitely definitely want to celebrate you listeners. All over the world. That's been listening to a bonus so make sure you catch up with a bowl of so on abolish amidst to of so music radio network. We got some great stuff going to be popping off next year on three sixty five. Make sure you tune ages just look for boulder so follow me on a bowl of solar mix of so music on facebook. I want to thank all you for liking the abolished so page. It's increasing the increase in. I want to thank you for that. You can hit me up at a bowl of soul leche mail dot com and follow me on twitter at a bowl assault and look with me on instagram. Just look for p. r. o. f. professor not love and make sure you tune into gospel vibrations at three. Pm eastern standard time on the abolish sole mixed so music radio network on lot. Three sixty five giving you. The fastest sixty minutes appraised and inspiration from yours. Truly mr melvin jordan. I want you all to be prayerful. Make sure that you looking up. Because god is up right. He's an all of us making sure that we are going to have a fabulous year. Not saying be no bumps and bruises. But you know what life is about learning how to deal with adversity. And i know most of you can deal with adversity and we're gonna make it baby. We're gonna win. We win baby. And this is professor t love and i'm looking forward to bring you the next broadcast of a bowl of so i want you to have celebrate and have a fabulous new year. And you're listening to a bowl of soul you're listening to even putting back a few a few becomes a few too many for moment you think of calling for a ride you live nearby was the worst that can happen. You get pulled over your insurance goes up. Lose your license it totally your car. You kill someone. The result of driving drunk tragic. That's why law enforcement is out there looking for impaired drivers to save lives. So if you think you're okay to drive after a few drinks think again drive sober or get pulled over paid for by nitsa. 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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 12-04-2020

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:01:06 hr | 4 months ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 12-04-2020

"This holiday season you know wanna have my wishlist adventure now. That's why i got a new honda during the happy honda day sales in they have a whole lineup of rugged all wheel drive. Suv's crv pilot passport. But at the end of the day. I drove off at a new. Hr fee with a bunch of safety features and best of all. I got it on clearance. So don't just sit around knitting an ugly holiday sweater. see your local honda dealer for happy. Honda days clearance pricing today. Today's broadcasts of a bowl of sola mixed of so music is brought to you by pago. Pago is the easiest way for you to monetize your podcast providing podcasters with a flat rate for space. So you always know how much you get when you clued. An ad from pod go apply today to become a member and immediately connected with advertisers. That fit your audience. That's pod go dot co at p. o. d. go dot co and. Be sure to add our podcast in the. How did you hear about pago section of the application you reach the right place. A destination called soul. It's the biro annex. You-know-what snacks. It's a bowl of so mix to of so musee. This is your man jay most in your listening to soul music at its best a bowl of soul a mixed stool of soul music. Shoot a treatment and this road law. Knock him their past three from merrick. Uh-huh drink operate off. Haven't this is a bowl of so a mix of soul music and we are now at first week of december which is the last month of the year. And you know this has been a crazy twenty twenty. You know what i'm saying. This is going to go down in the history books as the most craziest year of the twenty first century. And this is not love coming at you once again giving you some holiday soul and we got some new orrin be coming up here on bullet soul and i had to give you that classic because i liked to open the holidays with merry christmas baby which is an rb christmas standard that is credited to lou baxter and johnny moore and originally recorded in nineteen forty seven by johnny. Moore's three blazers featuring singer and pianist charles brown. This is during the days before we started calling rhythm and blues boogie. Woogie baby and you know. This song has been covered by so many artists as being covered by chuck. Berry i can tina. Turner got a nice version. Otis redding bb king elvis presley bruce springsteen christine aguilera hanson and melissa ethridge is a classic very old song and the song goes way back to. I would say almost seventy three years of this song. Nineteen was released in november nineteen forty seven the original version. But this song which you heard from the legendary lake great. Mr odin spreading came out of nine teen sixty seven and this is a bowl of solar and coming up next going to give you some motown christmas soul from the jackson. Five talk about. Give love on christmas day and this is a bowl of so a mixed assume using in a good um had that i can say a no or christmas day by the jackson five. You know that's a classic you know from motown. And you just wanna give a shout out to my peoples because you know the jackson. Five were from gary indiana. Wanna give a shout out to miss. Karen williams on the sounds of soul from gary indiana and mr barrie hudson from dallas texas. But he was originally bought in gary indiana. Giving a shout out to my people in gary indiana you a hero bowl of so also on sounds of soul in gary indiana and also the person that owns steel town records and gary indiana. Mr gordon keith. He passed away last week and he was the one responsible for discovering every courting the jackson five before they even made their way to motown records one of their local hits for gary chicago area was big boy and this is a bowl of soul mixed stew of so music going to give you something classic from the legendary late gray blues woman herself misdemeanors lasalle talk about booze and soul. Christmas said this is a bowl of soul. The folks ya'll checking out a bowl of so we wanted a hot as dj's in a land professor michio this dream as it was a hittite down. The car to see with this new tov nichols almost. I don't have enough tall christmas. Somebody's little girl law. I got the mic. Some time. i've been bad day. You see nose went out. Goon away mega told that blisters on stolnis man. I've been almost all the my rain when back. Some don't make money be cold. Meggett you Right here on a bowl of soul. Celebrating miss denise lasalle talking about santa claus got the blues from one thousand nine hundred eighty five. We celebrate miss aura. Denise allen also known as denise lasalle was born july sixteenth nineteen thirty four leflore county mississippi and she passed away on january eighth twenty. Eighteen at the age of eighty. Three god bless in jackson tennessee and her john. Music is blue's arm be and so and she was active from one thousand nine hundred sixty seven up until the time of death. I remember seeing denise lasalle at the apollo theater in nineteen seventy two seventy one seventy two. She had this hit record on. Westbound records called trap by thing called love and she's also known for this other song that was very popular from z z hill called down home blues and this is a bowl of soul and coming up next. We got something sweep from the late. The legendary mr gerald levert talking about christmas without my girl and this is a bowl of seoul. This is eric. B turner and you're listening to professor t love on a bone of seoul amid stew of soul music Trying to be somewhere same. Sounds no own ladder. It's the she she won. No joe see him though man The legendary late great. Mr gerald levert talking about christmas without my girl from one thousand nine hundred ninety eight of the twelve soulful nights of christmas presented by mr jemaine do pre and you know gerald edward ll avert was born july thirteenth nineteen sixty six and he passed away on november two thousand and six at the age of forty. You know he comes. From cleveland ohio and he already had been in music for twenty three years. 'cause he was singing since nineteen eighty-three up until the time that he passed. But we celebrate the legendary. mr gerald. Levert right here on a bowl of so. He comes from a deep legacy of course of his. Mr eddie the vert from the. Oj's coming up nex. We got some new holiday music from big rob featuring talking about in a holiday mood and this is a bowl of soul. Hi my name. Is andy stokes. And you're listening to a bowl of soul a mix of so beefcake and the show and repair the eib. Just don't care. Evans tie and about the trump on its odd. Everyone's allergy to have joya drink man all them weep. Take time play all the families still own long you bill. All that there's palm and it's all span. Oh a boy. My little sister special. We should everybody out there. Happy thanksgiving merry christmas. Happy new year. Happy holidays the song love avenue blue speaking. She say brace bring this. Do i like that. That's got like some chicago stepping grooves in that. That is big. Rob's christmas party album of which you just heard the single in a holiday mood with miss special. Make sure you get this move groaning sexy album from big rob. You can purchase this single on amazon dot com. I'm telling you this brother here. I like that. Because that's got a nicest upbeat and you know this. This is going to be a hit. I feel and this brother he. He is bringing it for this christmas. Make sure you support big. Rob's christmas party by getting it on amazon dot com and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of soul music from the fifty times fifty a little bit of the sixty sixty sixty throw with similar. Seventy seventy seventy mix well with the bring to boil the nine and just judge the future the future that's our recipe for a bowl of soul soul signing the costal center time dramatic. I'll do chris swift. Were sharp and fall instead. It's spring sun. Special old baby to st louis Score you have to act absolutely go to from giving you something. Classic new from mr larry dodson christmas with you and you know larry. Dodson is the lead singer of the famous. Balk as you said he has been a member of the bar ks almost fifty years and this man has he was performing during watt stacks. That was in california with all stacks artisan including the late great who just recently passed away rance allen staple singers were there isaac hayes uday mid balk as was center. You know as young men the bark as were the backing band for legendary otis redding and some of the members from the original bar case were killed in a plane crash with otis redding in december of one thousand nine hundred sixty seven but we celebrate. Mr larry dotson here singing. Something's fresh new talking about christmas with you. Make sure you get this single christmas with you. From mr larry dotson. You probably get this single on amazon. I tunes you name it. Just make sure you get this nice sentimental christmas song from larry dodson coming up next. We got some new christmas music from ito talking about someday at christmas. And you may have heard that song by a young stevie wonder right here on a bowl of soul someday at christmas from ito and this is a bowl of seoul. This is john york. And you're listening to a bowl of soul with kerry ferguson. A smith man let as Increase a happy morning. Able head when signing Some star wars Like that from mis iea ito. She is black japanese. She says she's black unease. Make sure you support miss ito. Who's a multi genre singer songwriter. Make sure you support her. You can get this single on apple music. Check out spotify. Checkout you to make sure you support miss ito talking about someday at christmas classic coming up next. We got some new music from bangkok based singer songwriter. per chara. giving you some rb grooves here on a bowl of seoul. The segel is called are see and this is a bowl of so so again. I walked into the room with no expectations. Just as donald. Everybody in here. I am at a bowl of soul with professor teela close Set off watt a friend with that a foreign in muslim mind fab when you will sees to leave. The don't ask don't know out of a tags. Got a wrong. So that i like that new music from chara. Who is who was born in bangkok thailand. And you know charles has spent the past six years developing his craft. He moved to new york after graduating with a performing arts degree from berkeley college of music and met paper tape brooklyn based producer through a mutual friend. And let me tell you all better support this single. This thing is hot. I liked that experimental trap edge on it. Make sure you support pa- charge new single talking about why are c. A you could get that on amazon dot com. Make sure you check him out on apple music as well as spotify talking about. Why aussie put shara get it. Your new music right here on a bowl of solar and we got some more new music. I love the new music segment of a bowl of soul. Because you know. R&b still expanse to stratosphere baby and all over the world. Come up nex from the west coast gerard lawson featuring mood child talking about. I'll be your radio and this is a bowl of soul a a. r. would be taken. I don't have to be you ask sound days. I don't any you can see nea jazz. Some shoulders on you would just be too off off now your purse. I like that. Brady show how from jaren lawson featuring mood child beautiful duet talking about. I'll be your radio. I've played gerard lawson. I think he's just on fire. I played single on a couple of broadcasts of a bowl of soul. Talk about bees change. But make sure you support draw lawson get his album changes new jazz for twenty twenty. You can definitely support him by going apple music and make sure you go to amazon dot com and support this office mr gerard lawson featuring moon child beautiful duet right here on a bowl of soul and i am going to leave you with some new music from detroit's own lorraine and the seasons talking about if i can't have you and this is a bowl of soul this no don't this bill look and see happen latte you. Yes you see us still having me. Asa don't make you sir. Can't new music. 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He said i used to be a dj in late seventies and eighties known as specialists of soul and funk music and one of the largest discotheques in belgium calls vaudeville beside regular customers. We also had a lot of american basketball players coming is especially for r&b and you know lonzo ball. The ball plays called him the white black dj but he also said we also had the chance to have marvin gaye as a regular customer when he was living in belgium in ostend. Thanks to you for your great music. I love it even if i'm sixty seven today. Happy birthday jacques. Louis but i still feel. I feel still young with your program. Have a very fine day. John louis john. Dj at the ville. Let me tell you something. This music is all over. The world is all over the world. I wanna thank sean louis for his words about a bowl of soul and you know what he spoke about was true. You know Before marvin gaye was killed in nineteen eighty-four tragically. 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The O'Reilly Update, August 8, 2019

Bill O'Reilly's Free Podcast

13:00 min | 1 year ago

The O'Reilly Update, August 8, 2019

"<music> bill o'reilly here thursday august eighth two thousand nineteen. You are listening to the o'reilly update. Here's what's happening across our nation asian. The white house said to ho social media round table focusing on internet extremism some back to school shoppers purchasing bullet proof book bags shares for the new york times plunged twenty percent in a single day. Half of young americans say college is too expensive expensive and unnecessary german lawmakers consider a new meet tax to save the planet also coming up the message which of the day on the government going after social media but i the trump administration inviting big tech companies to washington to to discuss the growing threat of violent extremism on the net executives from google twitter facebook and others are expected to attend the white house aimed the social media corporations must understand their role in recognizing quote dangerous users on their platforms bulletproof backpacks quickly becoming a big seller for back to school shoppers. More companies are offering the defensive shields in the aftermath of the mass. Ask shootings the backpacks. Popular among college students can cost nearly two hundred dollars the new york times losing nearly a fifth of its value in a single day after the newspaper reported week projections for ad revenue in the next quarter shares for the times company plummeted roughly twenty percent with executive saying they expect future losses in the high single digits for the rest of the year. This is because the new york times has become a far left journal a new study by t._d. Ameritrade reveals nearly half of young americans consider college too who expensive in largely unnecessary the ball says millions of teenagers are considering alternatives to a standard four year degree the biggest factor tuition the average graduate now leaves college with nearly forty thousand dollars in debt german lawmakers considering the implementation of a new meet tax to combat climate change the nationwide tariff would apply to animal products purchased in grocery stores at restaurants even leather goods advocates are the proposals say the money raised would be somehow you used to help the environment somehow of next should the government control social media right back. A young lady was looking to buy her first home in texas the market at her price point very hot so she went to real estate agents. I trust dot com for or help to ensure her. Offer was accepted or agents suggested the following steps one get prequalified the mortgage company that are agent at a history using losing to satisfy the sellers agent to find a home that was priced to sell so they knew the owner was ready to move three find a home well located and price ice correctly so it could be leased if an emergency occurred for anticipating multiple offers offer more than asking but still less than then what the house would be appraised for and five offer to help with some of the closing costs the house. The lady wanted had ten offers in three we days but she got the house because she had an agent who knew how to get the job dot. That's why i love real estate agents. I trust dot com. Nope pinheads just great agents yet moving with real estate agents. I trust dot com. That's real estate agents. I trust dot com time now. For the update message of the day there is a report based on anonymous sources and that always makes me nervous <hes> that president trump may sign an executive order to control anti conservative bias on social official media again. We don't have any names attached to this. It's just being put out there. There is an anonymous us quote from a white house official that could be anybody but the quote says this if the internet is going to be presented as his egalitarian platform and most of twitter is liberal cesspool zaventum then at least the president want some fairness fairness in the system on quote now there have been many allegations of liberal bias facebook for example is accused of d platforming platforming diminishing and banning some conservative voices there have been posts removed from dennis prager diamond and silk doc and other right-wing personalities on the google front some whistle blowers within the company claim that google has widespread bias against conservatives it limits content from the right conceals information on search engines and even terminates positions positions held by republicans within the company. Now these are all accusations now. This has been proven but conservative personalities like ben shapiro and jordan peterson have been given a hard time on google twitter has been accused of quote shadow banning banning conservatives meaning they don't suspend accounts but secretly reduce the number of people viewing their posts so so if all of this is true it is a dangerous situation because the net has become the most powerful powerful tool of communication in the world in totalitarian societies. If you study history you know the first first step is to control the information flow. You saw that in the soviet union you saw that in red china certainly we saw it in the third reich every single totalitarian regime including today in cuba and venezuela the flow of information is controlled by the government and therefore a group thing develops now you can do the same thing by saying well so if the federal government of the united states comes in and tells the social media companies what they can and can't do then the federal government may be controlling the flow of information nation that is a valid point but certainly there have to be standards of behavior on the part of the social media companies. These people are making billions billions of dollars. They are shaping minds younger. Americans are addicted many of them to these websites so the government has to take aac this seriously and demand fairness and standards that are in print for these corporations nations to adhere to if not we're going to have communication chaos in america and that is going to lead to very bad things for more news and commentary. Please head on over to bill o'riley dot com this weekend. You can actually see me there which may be frightening coming next something you might not no the amazon capital. One data breach just hit one hundred six million of us. Just had our names home addresses. Banking information exposed forget credit card theft. You're far greater. Risk is home title fraud. Title fraud is rapid because because identity thieves figured out the title mortgage to our homes are kept online. They're big payday comes forging your name off your home's title so it appears they own your home then they borrow all your equity till it's gone forget your insurance bangor identity theft program they don't touch this title odds does and they do it by locking down your homes online title and mortgage the first sixty days after crimes like the amazon server capital one breach reach are crucial so i got you sixty risk free days of home title of protection claim your sixty risk free days at home tidal title lac dot com and enter your home address to see if you're already a victim that's home title loc dot com home tidal lock dot com now they rally update brings you something you might not know. Pop star pink relieved after a private plane carrying her management team crash-landed and erupted into flames in denmark miraculously. All ten people on board escaped injury. The crew is on their way to the next. Stop on pink's beautiful trauma tour now private air travel is necessary for touring musicians in order to keep up with your busy schedules. Going private route has benefits but statistically smaller planes like the one paints team was traveling on carry a greater risk than larger commercial flights over the years. The world has tragically lost numerous talented people to plane crashes. Most involving small aircraft a very well known incident occurred on february third one thousand nine hundred fifty not rockstars buddy holly ritchie valens and j p richardson known as the big bopper chartered an airplane in iowa to their next stop on their winter dance party tour due to poor weather. The pilot lost control of the plane shortly after takeoff. The single engine crashed in a cornfield killing. Everyone onboard four years later country singer patsy cline killed when a plane she was travelling in crashed in a forest outside camden tennessee. She was just thirty years old. In one thousand nine hundred sixty seven soul singer otis redding was killed along with four other members of his band. When the aircraft oft crashed into a lake near madison wisconsin in nineteen seventy seven ronnie van zandt steve gaines cassie gaines members of the rock band leonard skinner were killed when they're playing ran out of fuel and crashed the mississippi jim approaching ricky nelson john denver stevie ray vaughan all were killed in plane crashes most of them at a very young age life involves risk usc no question about that but we must be very careful when hiring people who control our will being seeing if you're gonna take a private flight you need to check that company for safety and no exactly who is going to be flying can you you also have to know what the weather is and you yourself have to do this. Do not depend on anyone else. We'll be right back well. You've been hearing about gold all over the news and prices keep going up. 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Coronavirus and the climate

Monocle 24: The Urbanist

27:41 min | 1 year ago

Coronavirus and the climate

"Hello and welcome to Monaco. Twenty fours the urban est the show about the cities we live in. I'm talk coming up on. Today's program can help us to sort of see that. We do have a shared folder ability. And I think that that lesson applies to climate change as well and we kinda need to bring everyone along as we move forward together more than a quarter of the world's population is currently living under lockdown restrictive. Measures are necessary to keep us safe. But there's people stay at home offices close and factories stop producing. What impact is that having on our planet all that and more coming up right here on the urban est with me Andrew. Talk so welcome to this week's episode in times of we tend to look for the silver lining for that positive story in the storm as Corona viruses declared a pandemic and citizens remain at home stories. Have begun to emerge of a global dip in co two emissions. Even prompting some hopefuls to ponder if this could be the solution to climate change well maybe even though any dip is positive. Not all is what it seems. Beth Gardner is an environmental journalist and also the author of choked the age of air pollution and the fight for clean future or Beth. Thank you so much for joining us. We're seeing with these headlines about how the world is getting cleaner but I'll be reading see any lasting effects from this. Well it's funny. I mean you're right in saying that these headlines are everywhere and I honestly have already lost track of the number of people who have mentioned to me or send me links or whatever to these things showing that air pollution has gone down significantly as a result of all these lockdowns around the world for preventing the corona virus from spreading. I wrote a book about air pollution. I really understand how powerfully pollution affects our health. And I know that when levels come down like this even if only temporarily that actually really will benefit people in terms of reducing heart attacks and strokes and things like that but even so there is actually something that really bothers me about this focus and this of fascination that we all seem to have with this idea that you know will at least there's a silver lining to this terrible pandemic and pollution is coming down. I mean of course. Pollution is coming down because factories are closed and no one's driving and no one's flying and that's where the pollution comes from. So when you stop doing those things you will get cleaner air and I was out walking in London yesterday on the streets and I have to say it was a real pleasure to be out with very few these kind of noisy. Diesel cars rushing by. And you know the air really did feel cleaner but obviously it goes without saying that this is totally temporary and as soon as the economy starts up again all the stuff is gonNA come roaring back but I was trying to think about what it is that rubs me the wrong way about this point constantly being made and I think it's that it seems to kind of carry the suggestion with it that you know first of all there's some kind of like opposition between humans and the environment and the only way we could save sort of quotes the environment is by this tremendous human suffering and I think it seems to suggest that there's no other way we could have achieved this that we have totally failed as humans to address either the climate crisis or the air pollution crisis. That's affecting our our health so badly that the only way this could have possibly been achieved is through this pandemic that is spreading suffering and fear and destroying our economies and. I just know that that is not true. There are actually solutions available to us. It's not that anyone is advocating for a pandemic but I just think it's really important sort of constantly flagging this supposed silver lining to remember that there are better ways to do this and that we do actually have it within our power to make the changes to shift to cleaner energy cleaner fuels better transportation. All the stuff that could actually bring a more lasting improvement. I guess on the one side. Everything you say is correct. But what's interesting is maybe some business leaders there was a funny cartoon in New Yorker the other day saying got all of those meetings could have actually just been an email it turns out and I wonder actually for lots of people who are running companies or involved in the world of commerce. They will think Joa. We did pretty well with video conference calls. Maybe I don't need to be taking so many flights during the year. Or maybe they even just like you see that the air is cleaner thing. Okay which bits of this change behavior can I hold onto to kind of balance out the equation of it more? Do you think that there may be something from that? That would have a more long lasting impact. Yeah I do think so actually and some of the changes that we've been seeing obviously no one wants a pandemic and widespread lockdowns but some of the changes that we've been seeing particularly businesses moving videoconference people working from home or things that climate activists have been urging for a long time and I spoke to one expert. Who told me that when you have a crisis like this and she was using some examples from the SARS epidemic in China years ago that the changes that stick are the ones that were happening already. Anyway things that were beginning to shift that can be accelerated by a crisis and she felt and I agree that in this case perhaps the change. Most likely to shift is a reduction in business travel and this realization. Like you say that a lot of these meetings that people and conferences that people are flying around the world for. It's actually really unnecessary. It can be easily done by video and that is not only beneficial in terms of carbon emissions but it can also have a really positive sort of quality of life impact to travel any of us who've done business. Travel knows very time consuming. There's obviously something wonderful about being together in person that you mess by video but companies may start to see that this is actually a use of resources that is unnecessary and they can save a lot of money by if not eliminating then significantly reducing business travel moment we did hear from Graviton Timberg the other day say that she thinks she may have contracted covert nineteen but on the whole the campaigners around climate change have not been able to get their voices out yet. We're still going through the panic element with us. And the headlines are roaring away from US and in the coming days and weeks as the world is locked down. I'm sure that those voices will begin to emerge but do think there is anything for the climate activists we saying at this time because they do seem to have gone very quiet well. Yeah I think you're right that you know it's hard to get any other message out right now that is not to do with copay nineteen we've seen extinction rebellion have to call off actions that they were planning for. London and other climate activists as well really having to shift gears a lot. Those Fridays for future school strike kids are trying to do it. Virtually I think that is a danger of particularly a political leaders really being so focused now and you know certainly understandably unnecessarily on trying to cope with the pins. Amec that they lose what was already a very very insufficient focus on climate change. You know we have a big summit coming up at the end of this year. The annual global climate change meeting scheduled to happen in Scotland. I think that it's a little bit up in the air. Whether that's going to occur. We've already seen some of the sort of preliminary planning meetings shift from in person to virtual and I think that that may sort of be indicative of a larger kind of loss of focus. I suppose the flip side is that maybe there are some lessons that we collectively and particularly our political leaders can take from this terrible experience of the pandemic and apply them to climate change. Because I do think that in a lot of ways these are parallel crises. In what way I know that one of the things that you're concerned about is the there. Were people saying you have to be wary of a pandemic. We have to plan and be careful. This is a real possibility and that many politicians denied those calls to feel a little bit. The same then around the calls are being if you don't take action now. Climate change is going to destroy your country's your economies your your way of living that maybe finally there's a chance of people think actually. Let's build a bit more wary about this. Yeah absolutely I mean. These are both crises that scientists have been warning us about in increasingly dire terms for years and years decades in fact in certainly the case of climate change and for the most part our political systems in our political leaders have not really responded and not amped up the necessary preparations so I think that that is a very clear parallel and I you know I hope from this experience of the pandemic. Maybe we will learn. I hope to sort of listen to what scientists are telling us and I think even more specifically than that actually both of these problems are situations of exponential growth and even a weaker two weeks ago when the number of cases for example of Corona virus in the UK was fairly small. The danger was not the sheer number. The danger was the rate of growth. And that is the case with climate change to just as we've seen the number of people falling ill with covet going up and up and up and up so rapidly on this kind of terrifying curve trend line we are seeing that with climate change as well as carbon emissions go up up up and in both cases. There's a lag. There's a time lag where the damage is being done. But you don't actually see the impact sort of out in the world outside your window right away and I think in the case of Kobe. It took a little while but we have now finally learned that you have to act aggressively before the catastrophe is visible. Because once the catastrophe is visible it will be too late to headed off and that we have belatedly. Now I think learned that lesson with Corona virus. And you know. I think it's very concerning that. We don't seem to have learned it yet for climate change so if we can look at covert and see that the danger is that when you have a situation of exponential growth like this you have to act before you can see the damage already being done you know if we can apply that to climate change. I think that would be a really important lesson to learn. One final contrarian point I've noticed over the last couple of weeks near the that was first of all is your realize our offices now shot as can be but I though people saying. Don't use the cutlery in the canton. Use plastic cutlery sealed bag. When you go to the daily we had a conversation the other day we say. If you're trying to do lockdown now isolate yourself from other people and you're in shared living development of high density shed living development that would be held so I wonder if lots of the things that we saw trends though will go away because suddenly it feels a bit nicer to be in a car on your own. Rather than on public transport of a little bit safer had things hermetically sealed in lots of packaging. You worried that some of the shifts may not be so beneficial in the. We've come to see these other things as security blankets in a way you know. I think that's entirely possible. I think after the SARS epidemic in China there was a rapid growth in private car ownership again. That was another example of something that was happening already. That was accelerated. Maybe by the epidemic. Because as you say people were afraid of public transportation understandably so I think that that may be something that we see as well after corona virus and that will be a challenge from climate and environmental perspective as far as the single use plastic cutlery. Yeah you know I mean. I think that we use that stuff a lot anyway. We're sort of in recent years trying to get off it a little bit. It's entirely possible that climate reasons you know people may be drawn towards those disposable items again. I think that's probably a fairly small blip in the big environmental picture and density in cities. I don't know I'm an open person. I love cities I love density. I love the vibrancy that it brings to life to live with lots of people from all different places in very close proximity. I hope that once this pandemic passes will all be comfortable with again and that once the virus once we hopefully have a vaccine or something like that that we'll be able to sort of move past some of the fear that this has brought. But you know. I think you're certainly right that this pandemic is tremendous crisis that is changing the world in ways that we cannot yet see and understand but I think maybe in sort of more positive sense one change that it may bring as well is if it helps us to sort of see that we do have a shared `vulnerability and that you know I think really around the world we've seen this pandemic kind of expose so many of the problems and the weaknesses in our societies particularly the very very extreme inequality that so many of us live with. And we've seen that that can exacerbate Crisis in that you have to help everyone. Along in order to ensure good health for all of us you know if people working in supermarkets don't have access to sick pay then they're going to work with the virus and we're all going to get it. I think that that lesson applies to climate change as well and we kinda need to bring everyone along as we move forward together so I think that in addition to those perhaps environmentally negative changes that you flagged. There may be some bigger lessons that will be more positive. That was the environmental journalist. Best Gardner and her book choked. The age of air pollution and the fight for clean future is published by GRANTA. This is the oddest the Office of Monaco. Pretty much shutdown. There's very few of us who are coming in one or two people to make sure that the radio stays on air. The print production is happening from people's homes and bedrooms and their little spaces around the world. It's the same in New York and Toronto with our teams there. The other day I came in and I notice that instead of getting my bicycle I felt more comfortable getting in a car. Something I don't normally do in this city. I drove in later on the afternoon when I was heading home a little bit early to make sure that I got back safely. I stopped just a little bit away from Taunton road which right in the heart of London. There was no one around. There was no other cause and I stopped a pedestrian crossing. But not for a person for folks that was the giant folks with an incredible bushy tail and he stopped at the Zebra crossing and he turned his head. He gave me a look in the eye. And you do see. Fox's in central and they they normally scurry and Ron but this was daylight and he kind of at me and just walked gently across the Zebra crossing. It was like. He knew that the city was going to be his for the balance between us the citizens and the nature. The is all around us but tends to scurry and Florida way. Our approach was gonNA maybe have the upper hand for some weeks maybe months but these are good things these on good times but I do think that many of us in London have already begun to think about a rebalancing. We've begun to notice things around us because nature is carrying on without us. You look out the window. The birds are on the bird feeder. It's been warm the last few days I've seen the first bees out and about nature is going to carry on and the environment is going to be a little bit better all of our cities as we retreat from the streets and the first time ever allow it almost spring. And doing its thing. So I don't know about you but I'm trying to take from this time a few lessons and to find this moment of pause on a reflection to and I think everybody who's got some tiny patch or little balcony or two somewhere they can get out on. A roof is really beginning to appreciate space nature a plant or these things are coming into focus as never before and as we come out of this crisis in the coming weeks. Months is up to all of us have trion hold onto a little bit of that to make some of the things that we noticed during this par- few weeks and days stick to be permanent markers of time and to celebrate. Actually this pause is tough and we have to move on and we have to kind of think about our lives during this pandemic but from everyone inherit Monaco. You we're really interested in all of your stories around the world and it's been amazing to get some feedback to urban est in my email box and I've been trying to write back to everybody but let's all hope. The nature gets a bit of a a helping hand during this time and we get one good thing of this terrible pandemic loss. Lee began to head to Italy. Which is the epicenter of the pandemic here. In Europe in Venice the cruise ships are now gone tourists. Well far away. And the people who actually live in the city a cocooned home and the water of the city's canals has become blue and crystal clear but Kansas City. Ever be prepared to deal with a crisis like this and is there a way that could be mitigated through thoughtful urban design? Well Francesco. Moscow is a professor in urban and environmental planning at the University of Venice. He also founded the planning and Climate Change Lab and his work focuses on research and implementing urban resilience Francesco. You kindly spoke to us here on the only a few weeks ago in a very different world to tell me little bit first of all before we dive into this story. A what's happening in Venice. How is the city coping venison suffer mainly to big crisis in the last For mouth because if we remember last November was completely flooded by the high tide exceptional high tide events that affected all region of Vannes and now older region with all Italy in we can say old Europe on. The word is affected by the Koran of yours that is strongly lodging. It's a fact around the world in Venice's happening debt The schools are closed. Also the main offices and all of the main activities this especially looking at Venice created a different kind of impact an impacter obviously on all the local economies. We can say exactly the same what was happening. We were ties with high tides last November because of the the logger resilience of a city and of its economic system is strongly connected to a second kind of tourism make. Tourism is very intensive massive tourism and the local economy in the last few years. Not Too differentiated. Too much and trying to enlarge the possibility in terms of local activities. A local initiatives connected to local economics very appropriate at this point. Is that for one. Side is is the limits of all events that are happening at the same time is emerging situation that the Gula. Venice appears more clean. There is a sort of a particular atmosphere that is connected to a fact that a nobody's around nobody in terms of transportation intense locker system that flooding the lagoon. Francesca you've sent us to pitches one. Which shows usual kind of water but the other one seems to show lots of the kind of the modern the sand normally in the water and churned up by all the ships is beginning to settle. Exactly it's not a matter of nowhere. Pollution in fact it is a matter of effect of the lagoon as we know. Villa gone of Dennis as very weak system. Tried to Magin if you from one day to another one you switch off everything. You switch off all the boats all the transports Or at least they are very very limited and no pressure in terms of intense massive tres. In this idiot this created this atmosphere that this white Probably move vanished back into a fast in a situation. That is quite unusual for a sit. Very a problem I think is that oldest. It is not only Venice looking for perspective. A rebound blandings planning particularly after the big crisis that Dakota viruses affecting all the ordinary s and all the context. We'll have to design sort of bland zero because I think that the relationships between pass own at both between institution activities local economists. We'd be completed different in the next few months. I just tell me. On that mute. Many Venetians and many other people around the world have been concerned. In recent years about these huge cruise ships coming into Venice. The quantities of turist pouring through the very narrow street. I said this has to stop now. The has stopped. Do you think that many Venetians will want some of this to remain in place that we won't go back the quantities of people? We saw before or do you think people will be so broke and say need of the revenue that came from tourism that it will soon revert back to how it was pro who we have to reach a balance a balance of that to try to compensate to end the try to understand the real pressure that the SC delight. Dentists can afford also in the future and obviously more than twenty million tourists per here in Stoica. Cbs remember isn't city of fifty thousand. Meter is the sort of neighborhood of the bigger Venice because Ben is now is a bigger metropolitan city. We were more or less eight hundred thousand inhabitants. So the if you look at Justice to historical center we have a tweet. Major lower pressure local economy immunex future in the set down way. Too Big Rasual this here. The last few four-month essentially put a forefront or the local people but also to any external observer that the city is not more able to afford a satin level of tourism and the second kind of and also probably the local economy should be also difference eight more and should be qualified more trying to decide and make some choices that probably from the economic point of view can be in. Some categories could be also unpopular but same time is the only solution. Francesco wants to ask you one other thing around. The world is this crisis began furnace was shot down. There pitches circulating on the Internet and popping up in newspapers of dolphins returning to the lagoon and even into the canals of Venice of birds. Returning of swans returning is that true. Is that something that I knew really happened because the boat stopped or has always been the case. How much is nature returning and taking over the waterways while the ships are absent in reality to consider that so the Venice Lagoon is one of the biggest Wet Land area in Mediterrania together river delta area that these are along the same cubs in the northeast of Italy all the natural system and if the every day and tropic pressure is reduced obviously appears. But this not mean that before in the previous situation do not exist. Obviously the images of the dough thin in reality is outside to into the sea not into lagoon so they probably some picture a really intense all the song presence of natural elements that emerge in this situation San Mateo picture probably more recall the situation that do not exist in reality just finally in just a few us when the city does get back up and running of you missed about being able to engage with Venice on a daily basis. What have you missed during this disruption essentially? Try to imagine that in dentist. Our School for our university is one of the biggest school in academic sure and urban planning and design in Italy because of the other big school are Milan into Rian. So the fact that of a school completely closed there is very Can say obviously we plows fed all the activities as verse originally and as many European countries on distance learning system. But it's not sane especially if you teach architecture. Urban Planning Francesco Moscow in Venice. Thank you very much for joining me. Well that's all for this edition of the urbanized. Today's episode was produced by Collartoo. Rabelo and David Stevens and David also edited the show and pay you. As this week's episode. Well his Otis redding with the change is going to come. Thank you for listening to lovers. Just running

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Bobo's Big Head and Rudy Wins an Oscar!

Bad Friends

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Bobo's Big Head and Rudy Wins an Oscar!

"You too are bad. For these two. Agent. Disgusting. Something bad friends. So I would like to open up the podcast by saying I appreciate Ya me. Yeah. I think. I think I honestly. No I I've been thinking about you. Laying in bed when I lay in bed asleep usually and I just kind of lay in bed and I think about you and I get warm fuzzies and I think to myself what a lucky guy I'm lucky to have you as a friend. Yeah. I'm look have you to work with you because you're one of the top comedy talents that I could I take if I had a wish list of the best people I could do it with you be in the top of the list I'm very lucky in that way. We have great chemistry I M blessed to have you in my life? And I just think the era. Great. Guy Man. I love you Bob. I love you too man I. Love You. I love you too and You know I think you're just so talented in what's great about you as well. Yeah. Is You are Your handsome. Good Looking Guy as well. Where's this going nowhere this genuine I you know what dude? No honestly do bro I've just had. A rebirth man really you have other things I want to say to jewels. Are you doing with me. There's so much. I. Can say just want to say thank you not only that I just think that. Your. Wife is a super. It's got surprise human she. Yeah. Like she was made almost perfectly. Yes. You both were thank you and I think that you come from great stock. Bobby no I really your parents dude. I don't know much about him. Yeah. Even your og. Dad. After he was crazy and violent and whatnot. But I'm sure that he is just too legit. To legitimate. Yeah. What can I say something about you please You are. By far. My favorite comedian. Sorry my favorite Korean comedian. Okay. You know what I take and I mean that at a great name, another car Korean comedian that's as good as you. Can Jong Yes I didn't think about. All right. You know you'll probably making this into a bit, but I'm not to be sincere be sincere. All right. One of the most talented people I've ever known in my entire life. Appreciate it I love you. I'm so happy that we're doing the show together. Yeah. There's only one problem with the show what Yeah. His Rudy I know he and She's so spoiled and I told you guys in the parking lot. She got a gift someone sent you an amazing gift and I don't know you deserve it and Bobby. Said don't give it to her. Yeah because I just finished my thing or no. Yeah because I want to move on from it. Okay I do I want to say what piece I want to move on from it? RIP before anything. Are you are you still smoking or no? I'm gone to three a day it worked it's working. It's working. Yes it's working feels good I feel great I feel great about life and a feel good. Do you feel better genuinely I do and I feel like breathing let me hear you breathe into the Mike. Feels great sounds good. uh-huh. jewels. You now if I had a daughter, I probably would want you as my daughter I think that you are what a great lady. She cleans vomit cat vomit. She does yeah she does and do it perfectly. You does she I love your animation anime likes and a May Shun. You you've recommended me some I love them all. Yeah. I think that your pure heart I'll Andrea you're you're better looking than. Pupil you. You're better looking than y'all who's priore here's a defense. You Know Peel? Yeah. He's a defender for Barcelona. I think that you're you move like. Any, ESTA. Another another. Player. I think that when I smell you smell. Nasty beans. Fancy beans. Beans I think you're a great Guy George. If you're listening, you're one of my favorite people in the. World. I really do and I'll tell you why. I'm doing this. I'll tell you why there's an explanation to all this. You know I'm You know I got. A Sometimes. I go on the Graham icon to cram what was on the ground and You know this guy just you know. I don't get a lot of direct messages and the. Guy You're such a massive KONTA Centeno. That's the first sentence if. He's already said Yeah God you're such a massive Constantina you have all these ball sycophants around you that validate your shitty behavior. Are you fifty fucking years old and he leaves at that forty, nine, forty, eight, forty, eight. Yeah and you could snuff Sattari anymore it's just bullying. and. What usually don't know this guy, but you know I. I went at first I was in a rage when I read it. Through the phone. This fucking Sullivan I WANNA see shorter. Yeah Of course. Yeah. No need so. I, WANNA profile. Profile like in thinking no. And when I got that message, I did some introspection. And I thought to myself disguise appoint. what a piece of Shit I am. And I need to be better around the people around me because the people around me love they don't need Mike Toxic. Poisonous Words to hurt them and slash them down. You know I need to be more uplifting, and so for the rest of this podcast, my friend. I am going to approach it right as a Christian I ain't. When approach it in the purest form I can I'm not gonNA. Degrade anybody. Okay. I'm not GonNa Make Fun of anybody I'm just going to be Mr Positive Okay and I think that that's going to be my new route in life. I found a new path. You know so but Let me let me to come on. This guy is a fan of you obviously, right sure. Thank you for being one. But he's obviously a fan I love. So maybe he's taking it too serious when we joke around with each other. 'cause I appreciate the the notes and I appreciate your criticism and I took it to heart and thank you for and he took it to heart. Yeah. Well I'll say this. I love you to death. Love you. You're the greatest guy I've ever made. It's working. But can I tell you what you said? Can I say what you said after that? No, don't read my response. We'll know you he said are you don't remind boggle? He said are you fifty years old? Yeah F. F and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Changing I don't use the effort. Yeah. And you said forty eight. For Forty Eight, that's I read. It's not satire anymore despoiling. I get UNSUBSCRIBE. Yada. Yada Yada. What is he saying? They're on subscribe from us from our show yeah. He's defending me but isn't want to see us together anymore. Yeah. He wants to break it up. He wants to break us up yeah. I think they. He just doesn't find. The way I approached the podcast is positive. Any thinks it's he later says that whatever everything I say is cringe-worthy. So I really took it to heart so I don't WanNa say cringe-worthy things and I WANNA change. I'm getting too old to be combative and beings as I just thinking I feel like I'm too mean this is positive. I want to be positive and I want to change my stuff. So I think this podcast is going to be completely just positive for me and I'm not gonNA say anything negative and I love the way you bobble your head it's cute I really do. I have to say this I saw the documentary recommended which one? John. Aliens John Talks to eight John Tries to talk to alien how fun was that You didn't like it. I mean I wish I could get the seventeen minutes back it's seventeen minutes. It's to do this positive. But this is what that guy was I know. I know. This is what the guys talking about. Let me just The reason is a beautiful love story. He I think the love is good. You know it's another bad. You know it's another bad documentary. You shouldn't walk out and I mean it. NETFLIX's. I am a murderer released. It's about a guy that had a life sentencing, thirty years, and then Texas overturned his death sentence and he got released and I'm thinking this is going to be good. They introduced this woman he goes to live with this woman he calls Mama and I think sleeping with each other. And I think right away while I WANNA watch it. Don't give it away but I think right away with this woman he goes live with. Yeah. What do you think? He's GonNa. Killer he's got killer or does he blink bombing? Does he nothing fun. Nothing happens nothing. Nothing happens it's not worth watching. netflix email Netflix is what do you mean? Go back to John Go back to China yeah. So I, found out watching it. This is into very interesting. Yeah. This documentary right and it's about a guy, right who Let's start with Let's start with he had a traumatic. Childhood yes and He was I guess beaten by his parents there drug addicts everybody a and his grandparents I love grandparents like those by the Nice they go while. You I'm going to take you out of this toxic situation and we're gonNA raise you ourselves. Yeah. And then. So at that point, that's when I lost me and he you know and then John Goes Can I talk to aliens and they're like, what do you mean? Can. How? Can I have? Half, a million dollars. EILLY equipment and they're like, well, we've been saving all of our lives and then so they what they do is they they're sitting in their living room and this shit starts building. He takes over the whole takes over the whole house building all this equipment to contact the aliens you and I just think that it would have been a little better that if the grandparents said half a million dollars and he goes yeah, and they said a NASA we they do it. They have it yeah but he wants to be. They have it. They talked ailing. They've been up there. Ninety seventy seventy launched. The boys are two which reached what they all the planets circuit all the time, all the planet. That's insane in our solar system. Yeah they went to. Vienna. They saw the off moons as well. They didn't go to all of them. Yes it did they to. They use the rotation of my point is, is that you name the planet's young? Mother go ahead. I know that in order but. Later, turn right yeah Mars. Venus said that already here about Serena's set. Uranus Venus Serena, Serena Arenas Yara Yeah. Venus and and. Calabrese. Williams. Williams. Anyway so What what is it that? And then you know he found another fatty that he fucked. Hey, I love it. I love it. He positive I love to love I know you're right. He found a love of his life, his line and they made. Right you're. Trying to correct. The love of his life right and at the end he makes out with him while they kissed because they love and you don't WanNa see men kiss and I love it I love it I love it. I love it and I was watching it and I turned to collide blushing. And I did a trouble you know in I. Think it was a love trumbull. It wasn't negative would say she saw and what all? But you know what? I think that was a love. Gurgle. I think the problem was because they both have big heavy beards. Yeah. Anyway. So good luck to them and thank you so much all that equipment by the way that all the money they spent is now in a warehouse, it's in a warehouse and no one's using it because it doesn't work. I know what it's the only thing he likes it. Can I just say one last thing sure but it's like So he was he was sending music up there, right? Yes he was like broadcast. Nigerian Afro Funk. Right. He's like they're sending Nigerian apple took a face right and what I would ask him is to put up some Adele. People like a little bit of a day. Adele. Taylor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't but. This is Albanel CIANCI music from fucking Argentina. To hear that well, maybe they didn't want to hear pop how do you know what aliens like but that's the thing you don't know that they like so. Afro punk. They might but also throughout some stuff that we all like right a little bit of Beach Boys Whitney. Whitney. Houston s some Whitney get it. Beat it whatever if you're going to send if you're GONNA hit music space, what are you sending? What's the top three things you'll send? I would probably send some sort of opera. Okay because you know it shows of angrily. Probably Ave Maria, right very good song, right I would probably said also some I would send something poppy like Whitney or something K.. would. Probably sell us. Probably the Eagles ooh yeah. Pass know what? Hotel California hotel cover like easy easy. Take it easy Heiki deasy. Can I tell you something? I'm being genuine radio when I was going through this this. ocular in college and I was having really bad panic attacks and sending me to the Er because I couldn't see out of my left eye and I thought I was dying. Take it eat? That's not funny. No you're right. Are you? Okay Are you. Okay. Don't pretend. No. I'm not trying to I like. I like old Bob fucking chain. I like old bobby. I want this new. We're supposed to make fun of me when I say something like that. No, I'M NOT GONNA. You'll really gonNA keep tempting you are you okay I hit my face on my counter when I passed out during an earthquake what do you think? In. You know what? When that happened I was. It was sad funny. No, you thought it was funny I. wanted to go I wanna to go the hospital I. Wish I was there with you hospital. Okay. So anyway, I did I used to listen to the eagles take easy call me down but I don't even like the Eagles I know. I think I think they're great What three songs would you send a space or three bands? One would be an song. You're. Not In. Your, that's why we would never put. The, they will never you documented jewels talks to aliens because they would talk back actually they probably love anime collided spent five hundred thousand dollars or something to put her name on a plaque that's going on a satellite was sent to the thing. And fifty thousand people did it can aliens rather the focus satellite go? No they are not going to explode it. No, they're going to go in another fucking collided. Black one time she know what she did. She goes I go where we going it's four in the morning. We're going to go see the launching of the satellite. into the the plaque and his space whatever. And I go. Okay I'm going to, sleep. That's the old. The new me. Thank you where we going I got my binoculars. That's go good boy. Yeah. Yeah. I've got my little fucking antenna hat will now that I have you in this good mood. Yeah. I, think I think to tell you what has tomorrow morning we should go for a walk. Love it. Let's go you. WanNa. Go hiking up my shoes nine am will you go I'll be there you're gonNA look at the butterflies in the trees will there is no butterflies whatever it is, but there's trees user fresh air nine thirty are you going to be there? That's the most important thing. You even tell us the songs we cut her off anime song and what else let me just finish this thing give her two more two more. Maybe a rock songs so that aliens would be curious what rock song. maybe like Nirvana okay. Pretty good. I liked that to good shorty. Good. What's all? What Song? Though Teens fears or LETHAM lithium very good. I do raped me. Yep Yeah that makes sense. I would do write me because that's a signal. Tell them on down. It's a good song and it's also teaches them about. You know that things do about life right what else? Looking for on the floor did you lose something? No I thought I dropped my rubber. Ben? Oh. And then? Maybe a classic song or a Classic Song like what? I don't know. Yes you do though. Yes, you do. I don't know anything. She doesn't know any. Yeah. You don't know any. Yeah. You don't know one classic rock song. Not Iraq saw no classic song. Any classic songs? Do you know a Beatles Song? Maybe a Beatles Song. What's beadle? He. June. Hey June June June song. Hey. When is it April? Yeah. That's a good song. So that's good. You'll send Hey June up there. You Hey here's my three. Ready. Go ahead. Otis redding great sitting on the dock of the bay unconventional song. There's a lot of different but I like it because it's a song he wrote before he died. So I like it he died Otis Dot. Crashed in a in a plane crash, dot with Ritchie. wiki deval and. He died in Lake Nona, which is a Madison Wisconsin. You know those two lakes that surround Madison. The. Wake Mono Lake a non he died in one of them. One of them crashed Otis redding anything really about just writing. I would send them. A. Really any radiohead that really tough but I would send them something by radiohead I just put you know what I would send them the whole. Okay. You, just. Do I like Okay Computer Ya because you don't seem artsy in that way. Oh, Bob but you are you're creative. Thank you. Thank you. See that. That's just you judge you don't know enough about what? I like. You just white dude stiff wiped. A. White Dude. Now, friends with hip hop artists, I don't I know to you who? What one friend you haven't hip hop differently Marshall. He's pretty good. What does he what Marshall What? 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Illegal probably to do here, I don't know but you and I could get naked and Fingers on your belly why in your belly in your button maybe sometimes do you have any or announced she goes just giggle would I in the documentary they were giggling Get naked and giggle with you and then and then, and then when she does this and then cry if you want to cry. And then they go. Laugh. And then the orgasm together, I would love to lock eyes with you and just orgasm without being gay. What do you mean? How is a gay I? Just don't want that to be thrown in. Why. There's just no gay wants. Friends. It's just two guys who guided lampien laughing orgasm. Gabon no, it's fine. It's cool. Yeah. We could touch each other. But not like whole lake hold hands. We'll but don't say you also you take we can tickle noses. We we we we. Could do because we're laying side-by-side together, right? Yeah. Our digs out. Yeah, they are. They might be in my mind they are. Yeah. But in the in the document they they have a blanket which. Your Dick Laying as sometimes straight up I'm hard Oh, you are. Straight, up. For the whole thing Oh, you are well tantric says you have to really calm yourself in. PA solidly. It'll be doing this. It says that. Yeah Yeah And I don't know where somebody was like Whoa and you're all yeah comes down and I would lay next to you and I would just You know, Geico Com, and then cry and I think that would you wanNA snuggle at the spoon? Come I walk away Oh you're gonNA leave me the way I am I might even take a plane without. Hot. Yeah you're leaving me you smoke a cigarette and you go see back in La don't even do that. Don't even do that. Bobby we do the session, right? Yeah I literally like a Zombie. Get up. Get up. Pack my Shit and get out and I take a Mexican Uber and I'm out of there. Fast with me would yeah no no I can't drink just water. I can't do it. What it says it resets your your body, reset your body in other ways like how By doing stretching exercises mindful meditation you know I've been trying to do that. Really difficult to do. Because my water heater went out and I was two weeks without water. I don't know the name of the company but I but I do want to fame them on our podcast. I Will Defame The holders, insurance company that screwed US over. So the water heater. Yeah home I was going I was out two weeks of cold showers up in the shower I p right outside of the shower. Do you really you don't know shower every time me to don't doesn't everybody. Do you shower? In the shower yeah. fancied you know Fancy doesn't pee in the shower yeah. Of course fancy. Why? Why don't you go in the toilet? Of course Loser Are you afraid to pee in the shower it goes it's the same drain do pm swimming, pool. EPI and my pool it's my pool. Enough public pool have you. If it's a public pool, I'll get out and I'll stand up. I'll pull it out and I'll be right into. Swimming. I always be in a public bill you're supposed to enjoy their public. That's the whole point of public pools depend. So I would love to take a poll of how many people in the shower I'm offended. You Don't pee in the shower fancy that so so stupid. But one time I went to splash mountain six legs. Yeah. You Splash Mountain they have a waterpark attached to six flags you know. Water slide. Right And around the Waterside Park I swear to God I did this around Waterside Light side slide park do is a river lazy river is like a Lazy River riotous and ten thousand kids are in this river. Right. Oh. Yeah and I went in the river and my friend Laban I've a friend named Leeann. My friend Labor is Skater. Okay. Labor did Dunga in their. I go why it'd be funny I'll take the life raft. Donka in their Bra. I wouldn't go in there go why he goes. You know how to be kids shit in there and pissing there and I go dude look the river that's like I. think that water you're like dude, you're GonNa Piss in that water I might. That's why I'm getting in. I went to the hospital. I went straight to the house. You got an infection I had put the had a drain, my body. I had an I had diarrhea. Do that water is fucking like rancid. It's so gross. It's all by a little, Kyrie. All bacteria. Because what I did was I was trying to be funny. I was on the tube. My friend leaving was I did get out of their Bra right and I was like drinking the water. Just to be funny, you don't like dude. Next thing. I swear to fucking God dude that place should shut down. But just don't get in that water. You're right let little waterslide stuff you do. Yeah. I don't like him I. Love Him. I don't like them. Why? Because I went to I I fell off one in. Really. Yeah. I. I went to eight it. I. Went to a Faira One's hurt in del Mar.. and. They had roped off section I go, and then I looked at this roller coaster and there was A. Father and a kid dangling they had fallen off the. Coaster shout yet, and I remember going hurry I want to get on A. Real I would 'cause I. I didn't know what it was. I didn't know they were endanger. Yeah. They didn't die but they were about to today. I don't know but I was like, right. Let's go 'cause I was waiting in the line I think or something I. I went to six flags one time when they shut it down, it was called six flags great America in in Chicago Land. And they shut it down because one of the rides got stuck and the people were in it sideways stuck sideways sitting in the in the sheriff silo while on like on the bank and embankment curve via and they're. An honest. Scared for like five minutes and then afterwards I was like. Let's go. Yeah. I really don't want to see if they get if they die her family. Yeah. They build water slides cowards. We went to Disneyland right every ride. Disneyland. It's not magic. I wrote every. Great. We go to the Guardians Galaxy light right. Awesome. Did you see we right and yeah it's awesome. It's awesome. Right. I don't to why? Why why am scared what are you? Scared one. Of the roller coasters and like the up and down nobody dies on them other than Kyle. Schmidt ten-year-old. Ago. Most people don't die. I'm not I'm not scared of an some people just don't live on that one hundred people die maybe. Maybe, a little bit more e that'd be one on a seventy, but you're not going to be one of the one. You're going to be the one that dies on a roller coaster. Scared of planes now because you guys took a boat to get over here, I, feel like you're, what are you scared of other than rollercoasters? This that I just don't like G. Force but your father and your mother wouldn't go on the other ones. It's a family thing you know that right? Yeah. You don't like Geez you know like it'd be pushed back in your seat. Does it make you don't have that in the Philippines you don't have not used. To it, life is a rollercoaster in the Philippines I know. Hole light is getting. Tough. They don't have fairs in the Philippines so they don't have like a summer fair. Just a few just like a ferris wheel. Have you done a ferris wheel? Yeah that's okay. I'm okay. With that. What about the one we stick to the wall? That's the G Force One. What's That one. Around so fast I. Love that one. What's that called? Do you know what I'm talking you? You don't know what this is. You're in like a year in like a circular room. Yeah, and it's it just starts going get sucked against the wall. Sometimes you people see people vomit and splashes bright back surface it'd be it happens a lot. I love it the guy next to. And then you see the funny guy like the Jackass, sky like the kid he stands to stand up on it the carnival riding at the Gravitron, the Gravitron tron there's people that will stand up when the graduate I'm saying you'll see guys trying to do that how to ride it like a pro watch this guy this guy. Okay, there's all the G force either on the wall. Duty Standing Up. Oh my God. They're moving. He loves it. He doesn't care at all. There's another guy doing it. I was never that guy yeah. I was Oh. This was me right here. Yeah that's me. Just arms up panic the whole time. Yeah. And Look at a carnival ride guy in the middle here. Look at this week I love the student. I think it's a cool life to be able to just move towns become Carney's. That's what we're. That's basically what comics are were Carney's. Yet I. Think I would do that. I would do it why you just travel around. Have Fun. Eat Fried twinkies fraud Orioles breakfast. In a to look at the girls. Never, get the fuck him though no of course, not no. Well, maybe get the fuck. What about the people that work in the freak show maybe they maybe they're fun to party with I'll do the doodads Barnum Barnum and Bailey Bailey. Dude that's I, think I did that in a previous life you are Barnum Bailey. Part of show Oh. You're like part of the freak show. Yeah. Yeah. What was your freak? That No. No legs. Yeah. You're right. You're up in arms dumpy arms. Harry face stumping I'm here and I would sit there in a cage right? And people would pay a dollar just to walk in fifty. Seventy Five, seventy, seventy, five cents right and they just they go like this they would look at me. Would walk in there. It is when he? Would look at me. And they had to go. And Spit right in my face everyone lougee right I, eat them out of the year. And no one ever taught me how to speak. Arou- or Arca. That's how it say would spit in your mouth. You catch think that I was yeah. I think the scariest movie I've ever seen by far because I was a kid when I saw it with David Lynch's the elephant man. Oh my God. My God wrong image burned into my own in my brain booed. Well how did he? Move I mean this play the all sleeper week. Do you know what the? Earn Move Y'all fan Mooney being. Asked. This really do you know what man is? It's a real guy named John merica he really existed he had elephantiasis of the face but back in London or whatever. Right? Yeah. He was a circus sideshow guy whipped and treated poor I mean they basically they beat they beat. slaved him John Hurt played, them John Hurt Yeah the actor. John Hurt. Oh her I was like not John Heard hurt yeah John Hurt Yeah John Heard passed away the good actor by the way great guy. So. Stop Man. Stop Him now. Did he just go golfing is that a golf club? What is that? Oh. Oh. Oh No. No. No. To Tony Hinchcliffe. They WanNA follow me trying to go get the train the. Checkout. He just try to go to the barber shop. He's trying to get a tray. Yeah, you want to get. A full hawk. Of the cage. Not An animal. heartbreaking. What do you think rudy? It's It is. Different you know it's so funny. Okay. Twenty years ago, right? Yeah. Twenty years ago I was watching this going chop as how? How you know back then mob mentality you know. Your. Your meet whatever right and now when I just saw that dude. I fucking. Emotional brawl right that's so sad. What people used to do doesn't tell you something about which I've changed the thing doesn't that tell you about. I think what's going on now is helpful. Some of the things that you know the social, you know STU social mob. I think some of it. It has you know some of it. Some of it. Some of it's a little too far of it's insane, right? But it's like that really because as a kid I was like Goddamn, you know. Yeah. Even. When he said that fuck you, you fucking freak you know and just. JAP The fucking in this is. The boiled SLAT. Whatever? But now it's like I WANNA go community my bigheaded friend, help them hold him and hold them not to close. You're not no I said to the side. You. Want be, my roommate. Right and have them come in they. They really ridicule really just because the way he looked this is how people treat people. You see that Rudy what does that teach you nice just in the Philippines? Do they have things like that? Yeah. Oh, Dude I feel like the Philippines has probably the what have you seen there. Faces that are burned like how like? Have Coma. We what did get burned burn. Fire. There's a lot of fire accidents that happen there. Why are the show many fire accents in the phone like the gasoline it's not How do you say it? It's not hot. No. Really, Hawk. No the gasoline is just You just buy gasoline the tank. And and. Some people just leave it. Oh On. The I don't know what you mean. By the tank of gasoline delighted on fire and they go to sleep and he's leaving the House on their house. As a pillow is that a normal thing to just be like I left Didn't walk away. No, they don't like that but you mean propane. Propane accidents. So it's a tank. And what's a connected to like stove right? The sociopath blows up a lot. And and then they all mind have you ever had a close friend have a gas propane accident. Nobody you know nobody I know Oh just you see people though and do people are people being to them in the streets they do they do what they say to him what something that they would say like like a Gli or they say it out loud. They just yell ugly Yeah Wow. God. Society. But there are change that's bad. It's just yell ugly yet and they make fun of them like like push them how what really be fucking shoulder check them I. Check hockey check yeah we. Tackle them. Normal. Normal to do do people not say anything when someone's mean to somebody who has a burn? is there a nickname they call them something? Bernie's no I don't. I've never heard of nicknames they just they're mean to people in the streets like that God? That's so sad. That's so sad that you would just do that to someone probably cruel like for Halloween right. They know a guy that was in a fire right than you dress up as an egg. And you just Kinda stand next yes. fucked up shit. Right, fucked up shit. That's funny though yeah. But Hey guys that's not me being mean it was just a hypothetical thing. Okay. Stop on Instagram. F. E. E. Babe. Cheers, a small change in your life can make a big difference. It's a huge change I. I believe in very comfortable footwear and socks. Okay. Walking. Liquor is walk it without walking your nothing. Your feet are carrying all the way to. Dude that's the foundation in which you live. That's right. Runners worldwide have made features their sock of choice of. Their League. Stay cool during the day I. Wear them when I Golf I wear them when I run the engineer, the sock with target compression I. 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On the King of the King of the world I'm the king of the. Wonder were under. World waterworld and then Kevin Costner is going to be there and. You'll be there to be there and then Josh Jason Momoa. Underwater world will he is Hot. And that you know who else is going to be my movie who else I'm going to have nemo the fish. Nemo. Spongebob. Okay okay it's great. Well, Hi Tannock to right to who else is GonNa be there is no spongebob. Yeah Ali Bobby Lee, do you get built higher than those guys? Get top billing spongebob goes I. SO sponge featuring. Three headline goes von Bob's bribe neom Oh bobby Lee right and also feed you during. Kevin Costner Kevin Costner. He says Jason Momoa Right, the Little Mermaid, the priest from the Little Mermaid gets a boner. Yeah and Sebastian, the crab and then. A special special appearance Super Special Appear. Appearance John. F. Kennedy. Junior. and Jimmy Hoffa and Jimmy. HOFFA's they're both the bottom of the ocean. Together at last together at last in in high tanic to. And what's the Subtitle Fun Fun waterworld funder one underwater that's underwater. Underwater underwater I love it does she role the movie? No No. What she has to walk she auditioned five times. You didn't get it. Now, being tested her Oh, you did. Yeah. What are the audience think? Okay. Well, they couldn't understand what she was saying, what is the little brown girls say a I can't understand a word she's saying is that Dora? The explorer now listen I like. Stuff yeah like their food and their music. It's like an underwater apocalypse. Now, I get it right there's a Mayan temple she's fucking killings but how am I get in now? Did they swim under the? I have seen for you. I'd like you to read a very famous movie called on the Waterfront. What that is you've never heard of it in your life okay. Bob Is GonNa play opposite of you. Okay. So we're GONNA buy line lines we're. GonNa put them out. Good but I want to see you're acting ability okay and I want you to take this no, no, no no no. No laughing don't do that. Please take it serious. Okay. Say I'll take it serious. Hell you don't. Seem from a movie, it's from on the waterfront. Doing three scenes but the first one we're doing is from on the water on Anwar because everybody wants to know if you truly do have what it takes. Scared because I've ever seen the movie. You've never seen it. No. Why does it right? This is gonNA. Be Good. Brando's in that, right all right. So look so so My playing well, you've literally never seen one time. Do you have any reference to what it's about. I think it's by let me guess let's have a guy that's the docs. It's about, what do you mean dachshund the water docs. It's not really all in the middle of the ocean moving. I just remember it being in the dogs you know Brando's in it and it's kind of black and white. Yeah, and it's dreary. Okay is a dreary. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good good. So. Here's the deal I'm going to read the I'm going to read the action who am I playing you're going to be Charlie and you're going to be Terry. Route and I want I'm serious. Take it serious. You take a beat. Do you need step outside? They say in rooms do you WANNA step outside? Okay. Charlie continues looking at him. He does not deny it. They stare at each other for a moment. Then suddenly Terry starts out of the CAB. Charlie pulls a pistol Terry's motionless now looking at Charlie. Take the boss landing. For God's Sakes don't WanNa hurt you haas gently guiding gunned down toward Charlie Lap Charlie. Charlie. I wish I didn't have to do this. Terry Terry is unbeaten Charleen back and looks at Terry Strangely Terry raises at hand above his head somewhat of the manner of a prizefighter meeting the crowd, the Image Knicks, Charlie's memory. While What do you weigh these days slugger? Eight, seven, eighty, seven, eighty, eight. What's it to you? G When you tip one, seventy, five, your beautiful. You should have been another billy conn. what's that skunk got to manage you along too fast. It wasn't him. It was you charlie you and Johnny like the night the two of US come into the dressing room and safe kid this is. This ain't your night. We're going for the for the price on. Wilson. It ain't my night. I've of taken. Wilson part that night I was ready remember their early round throwing them combinations so often. This. He gets. The title shot outdoors in the Ballpark and what do I get a couple of bucks in a one way ticket to. Cookeville it was Charlie you was my brother. You should look out for me instead of making me take them dives for the shot short end money I always had a down for you. You saw some money see you don't understand. I try to keep you in good with journey. You don't understand I could've been a contender I could've been I could've had class and been somebody real fast instead of a bum let's face it which is what I it was you charlie. Oh my God. I might need to go home God. I. Might Need to go home. Is there an Oscar here? We haven't. Andreessen. Andrea. A. That was incredible being. Really, yet company in each on. People read that on the script. As a regular actor whatever its average actor, I would read it combination. Of. The great actors, they take a word. And they make it their own. Right. Right right. And normally people would go you know how should I say this? Combination. Right. But. The process that she didn't process it. That's how fast instantaneous. Yeah Yeah. Rudy rules who in a win of winnow. Incredible, you're going to be a superstar. Next. Okay. You and I are going to receive. I want you and either read a scene and it's from it's a great scene from stepbrothers. Which I really love haven't seen it. Go Back House at Night Dale and Brennan are laying. Everybody's to each other. You can pick whoever you want it to. Okay go ahead. Yeah. No, it deals a lot of lines I'll be Brennan and remember this. I'll be Brennan separate beds in the middle of the knobby. Brennan and this is more for me than it is go ahead I'll be Brennan. Okay. Go ahead. You awake. I just want you to know I hate you and so does my dad well, that's fine. Because, guess what I hate you tone in this house sucks, ass. While the only reason you're living years because me and my dad is headed at your mom was really hot and maybe we should both just banger and we'll put up with the retard in the meantime who's the retire you? You don't see that. sputters. Shut up. Wake up my dad and getting grounded, shut up you and your Mama hillbillies. Doctor, not a doctor and you're a big curly headed. Oh Yeah. Yeah. I'm a girly headed faulk. Yeah, and you'd better not go to sleep estimates. You're I shut I would to squaring face. I hope you stay still when you sleep because Hump Putting a rat trap between your legs I'm GonNa take pillowcase and fill it with bats bars of soap. Pete the Shit I you hundred. Way Symbols of Ozzy. This is my house now. Chemo Savvy. Oh, I couldn't. Get. My eyes. I can't read my eyes eye glasses. That's good. Yeah. Pretty good. I liked that same pretty good. I liked that scene jewels now though we have one more would you will get that was really. This is the big. Lebowski. This one is this is great. This is awesome. So I want I'm going to be okay. Yeah. You you do. I. I already did it. So I'm going to do with Rudy Yeah, but I want you to be. smokey SMOKY IS GONNA come up at the end of the scene. Okay and it's two lines, right? So. She should play play Walter no because I want her to get intense. Because because we saw the intensity ono, you're right. We saw intensity out of on the waterfront shoe we see her play, the dude Asto owner stone Orrin test. So Dude is a store owner. He smoked a lot of we. He's a man as probably mid forties late late forties. Yeah. Who Works in in in Los Angeles and can't get his. He he goes to the grocery. Store. whereas. Bathrobe. With sunglasses you. Means you. Guys Vietnam. You're. I, think you're going to do it artsy. You're playing the dude you're a pothead and I'm going to be Walter we'll depending on how it goes. We can swap. Switch it around. Are you ready ready? I'll do this stage direction. He lets small yapping dog out of the carrier. It's scoots around the bowling table sniffing bowl at bowlers and wagging its tail. Hey Man if my fucking ex wife. Take care of her fucking dog while she and her boyfriend went to Honolulu I told her to go fuck. Why can't you board it? First of all, Dude, you don't have an secondly it's a fucking show dog with papers. You can't board it. IT GETS UPSET IT hair falls out. Hey, man fucking dog has papers dude over the line. smokey her. States Direction Oh. Yeah. smokey turns started again. And let me let me. Give you you know we're GONNA give you. Can Rushing through line. We'd more we you're. settled. FUCKING Slow the rush doors on a fucking contest. Wrapping, scenes of shooting lights and then. Are you ready. Okay really stoned your stuff peter is low to. Though there it is perfect. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, he lets US small yapping dog are carrier. It scoots around the bowling table sniffing at bowlers and wagging its tail. A man. Come on stop do the line again reading. A man. fucking. Ex Wife asked me to take her over fucking dog will she and her boyfriend went to, Honolulu we're stop stop stop. It's way too fast. Slow. going. I the first line would perfect. Keep that. That's what you keep. You going to do a reading for? Yeah. Yes and how the sounds. Okay. Hey Man if my fucking ex wife asked me to take care of her fucking dog while she and her boyfriend went to Honolulu I told her go fuck yourself. Why can't she board it? See what I mean. Look. Right and action. Hey Man if my fucking ex wife asked me to take care of her fucking dog while she and her boyfriend went to Honolulu I tell her to fuck herself. Why can't she board it? First of all, Dude, you have an X. secondly, it's a fucking show dog with fucking papers. You can't board it. It gets upset its hair falls out. Hey, dog has papers dude over the line. smokey turns from his last role to look at Walter. smokey. Yuga. Over the line smokey I'm sorry that's a foul. That's you. That's from okay. Bullshit eight dude excuse me market zero next frame. Bullshit while this is not this is bowling. There are rules come on water it's just it's smokey. So it's toes slip over little game. This is a league game. This attorney enters the round robin. Am I wrong? Abba am I wrong? Yeah. I wasn't over Gimme the marker dude I'm marking it on aid smokey my friend you're entering a world of pain a while to frame a dude you're entering a world of pain. A world of pain look dude don't hold with this. This guy is your partner. You should because the whole world God crazy am I the only one era gives a shit about the rules market zero. Very. Good very good I. Think I think they might do remakes one day I think you have I think you have a future in in the Biz but if there's anybody out there listening if you guys are acting coaches with any acclaim, how about give her some free acting lessons? But I honestly think that she should take some sort of Improv clough's to get you know. Or something like that. Like you know I have a friend in colonial Colton Don. He's he's an actor. Now he's a big guy he's on a superstar but. He's an actor and a very funny. Improv can he was a writer at Matt TV for years was stand up at some point to no nobody. He also taught at UC he's a really talented. Would like somebody like that to teach a class and have Her enter it so that she can Because she you know she shy yeah. Know says it'll get her out of herself. She looking she's broken open on this show she has. Colin's probably got the best job on superstar. He's paralyzed. So he just sits to sit in a chair all day standing at all. What a great Gig, a Greg I WANNA be paralyzed my next role. I WANNA be in. A. Coma. That's Erikgriffin says all the time really he wants to be he says his next show, he wants to be a He wants to be a a detective of a mental detective who gives clues to people from a coma. So they just walk up to him in touch his chest, and it transfers transfers information to them. So they know yet how about this better yet better yet. I I'm a character that died. Yeah. I'm in a casket. Yeah. But for for all five seasons. Yes. Right. Eventually like my character. So popular that I basically go he I just put. A dummy in there. You have a double for your gas. because. He doesn't move anyway I don't want to wake. You know you know I love. Star Trek next generation here's what they do. They cut to you and it's just your voice over you just have to record from. That's right. So it's just speaking through your telepathy. Yeah that's genius genius and you do what? Like you know once a week Yup you wake up, you just do you don't even give a Fox scan through it yeah. You scan through it just cut your in bed still. On Your iphone. Right fucking fifty grand. Great with that, be I mean that's kind of like what? What's what's his name Wheel of fortune what's his name? I can't think of his name. Pat ZAJAC. Record for like four months and then he just disappears. So four months he works everyday, and then for the rest of the year, he literally just goes in goes on vacation. philmont's that's your book. Don Don't have a push for you. Because you know who Eric. Ncis Los Angeles but he was also you know he he played Jim Carrey in dumb and dumber or. Yes the great guide him and Matt Damon Right. Matt Damon was he the other Guy Doan? dumber no not dumb and dumber. They were in an stuck to you. That was Matt Damon's. Eric and I don't really know what you're saying. Yeah. I have no idea what I'm talking about Eric. Okay I I. Would you add that? My brain isn't working what? So Eric Olsen. And you know. He was saying that he was doing community he was on community. And he was gonNA sing with Chevy Chase. He he his Chevy Chase. Off Dude I've heard he chevy chase grabbed him by the neck and try to pull him off man like up the wall if you if if an actor like Chevy chase hit you in the face or strangled you onset what would you do fight back as hard as I beat the shit out of Chevy Chase onset I'd kill him I would actually no, you wouldn't. He put his hands on me I'd heard him immediately I wouldn't even think twice. I wouldn't even think twice. I. The everyone's laying around sitting there really put his hand on me. I punch him in the fucking head. What if it was that whatever Chevy Chase in a coma? What if it was? Let's say you're doing a movie, the biggest movie, your life you're doing a movie with Batman I'm the new Robert Pattinson got covert and they wanted me and the bat you're more like the Robin. The. Robin I get it. Okay. You're either the Robin Wright and they get. Scorsese direct. Okay. Okay and your. You know who is the nemesis ban the Tom Hardy Redo his. In Vain, not want to make our ten when I see him and scenes right so you're doing a scene. Yeah, and it's a scene where Bain is grabbing robin by the neck. Pulling up right same. So he's doing it right? You're in the scene scores he's it goes cut. But you're still up there. And he squeezes harder and harder and harder because he's so under the character, right you can't breathe at this point. Yeah I'm dying your dying almost turning tops up man sees over right coming. Who Or? And then Gosar. Eso, what would you do? Honestly I. Think he's very attractive. So I'd probably let them kill me. No really rewards either. I would take you suck Dick. Sixty. What would I do? If Tom how'd you talk? Yeah No, no, no, no, no, no no we just. You know what would I do if you have? Honestly. Yeah. No. No way like if I was party though you. Know being real if I was using if I was using leather bound on. I'm still smoking weed drunk, right? Yeah and I'M GONNA Party and I. Kano's their Shirley stay on their everyone's they're all doing coke. They're all doing everyone's doing it right Right I was doing it and Thomas. Helmer I. Love Big Fan you know come over here. Cocaine or Alvin Bobby WanNa, come over to coke. Cocaine when he's sober too but let's eat relapsed. And they just like all right here's a straw in as grabbed a straw. Right as I grabbed the straw I realized it's his penis. Right. Right. And at this point, what do I? Do I aimed at your normal guy with a man? Let's let your deal man. Yeah not me now I would probably. It's and information. Right, it's always a yes. Yes and I can't deny it right so I will go. Talk It. would. Suck it so hard and he's like dude, it was just a joke. Right me too. Me Too. Yeah. A lot just getting. Funny would be if Tom already put his penis there. With my nose. Would ask them kiss asking him. I would ask yeah yeah. He's No. If Tom Hardy if someone is in doing that 'cause I've seen that kind of stuff I thought this is really weird. You say that because I literally thought of that. Before we came today because I was watching. Some of these scenes while I was getting some of these scripts and. There's a scene where Finklestein hundred. I know him his Finkel from Ace Ventura where he proves that she's a man or area and and he goes would a man have these exposes her breasts and it goes. But what about this he also pulls on her hair. So fucking hard he's like it's a wig. When you see it, I have to bring it up when you see how hard he pulls like you're talking about you know sometimes you're acting with somebody. Like I've gotten I've had to like fight scenes and stuff like that. Yeah you it's. It's because that the Daniel gather what did you do? So we're doing a war in the movie, the movie warriors yeah. We're doing a warrior seen. 'em Listen I'm just going to bring us up and. I had seen I, was playing a character. I do call the blind Kungfu Master Yeah, I do character Um called the blanket come master. And I mean unlike. And this is your. Right, and I grab her head right and I think it's her real hair it's not a wig is. It is a wig. I think it's a real hair but on grab it I realized Oh, it's a wig I'm gonna I think it'd be funny if I pull it off. Right in front of an audience, right? But the WIG is attached to. Your Air Bobby Bobby Bobby. She put a bunch of bobby pins. That's how they attach. And is ace I, pull it clumps of her hair come out and I could see a bald spot with blood. She said. freaking the fuck out and I was like Oh my God. It hurts so much. Oh my God. Real I've had people pull on it. I've had people pull on a wig when I'm on. I'm dying up here. I. Had people pull it they. So it into your hair blue it to your. It rips it hurts so Belmont yeah it. So look at the scene. That's funny. Look at the scene. You can't tell me that this isn't. that. This didn't hurt. There's no way that this didn't hurt because it looks real. Hair hold on. Hold on. Hold on hold on what's just see who's lying shall we? Would a real woman? have to wear one of these. That's really on there. There's no. That didn't hurt her head which actually when he puts his hand on yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what? You know what she could've bro She. Could Rehearse that that looks pretty good. Yes you go. I'm going to go back way but don't really pull it You this is either good camera work or great acting because after where one of these. All that for that pretty hard. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that looks like by the way Tony One of the greatest. Underrated, act one of the. Greatest not only actors but musicians and also personalities. Yeah. I forgot he was in this until I really skinny is I mean he was a tiny guy when he did this and Corden Courtney Cox Super Young I, forgot how many people were in this movie do that movie this movie Ace Ventura was changed changed my life when I went to I remember going to the theater watching me to change me this is what he's. It changed I became a media and then you became friends with them. He was my boss I wouldn't say. He's my boss he was a great boss, but honestly him him this whole movie talking to your Butthole I mean I remember laughing so hard it her body hurt but I think dumb and dumber steal deal for the better of the movie. Funny because it's joke joke permit is just like bub-bubba. But this had lot. You know the scene in the scene in the the scene Coach. He's got he's trying to check into the crazy house that was phenomenal. Guanosine with the Bat Shit I WANNA. Ask you this. Everyone loves this laying key I've always wanted to ask you this. Yeah. What's your top five movies? I know I hate top ten lists do on the Internet but I don't know that about you comedy because when you said. that. What album did you see you liked? Okay computer okay. Computer. It freaked me left Africa out why? Because you just didn't think that you're more of a creedy kind of shot up now you're you're on. I just think that you like corn or creed that type of Guy First of all those two things have nothing to do Korn creed or nobody either one you know I mean. First of all you know how much I love hip hop. That's crazy to me. I love. I like crazy I used to. I used to wrap when I. that's crazy. Top vibe movies. Of across the board that you would you looked at me, right I'm a guy comedy anything no anything. I'm a guy I'm an alien. Yeah. Right along high. I would like Hugh I heard this Stephen Hawking or are you an alien I'm Stephen Hawking. Took movies or would. You know I don't know what film is could tell me I don't have a lot of time. Okay. I have only three days here and I wanNA watch five movies. Give me the five movies that best represents cinema cinema or just movies in general God. Casino. The princess bride. Big. Wow. Doing another Tom Hanks Oh. My God there's like three Ed everything. He's ever done I didn't catch me if you can is one the greatest movies of all time great story, but it's based on something really And I gotTa give you some history I can't. If I'M GONNA have to do something like. while. Saving. Private. Ryan Yeah I was to go I would go with But soon wait I said big. I said big. You want me to give you know films no no, no. No I said big. She lives less maybe that's the one schindler's. He's in that right? He Schindler no Tom Hanks. Forrest gump I mean. He's made how many? No, but but getting. Eight based on the. Casino. Princess. Bride big. A. Bronx tale well. and. So. Many movies. It's hard like re category and then probably. And I would say star wars and that's not because I'm a big star wars fan because what it did to movies it's cultural it change cultural phenomenon it changed it still does you're like a you're a creed guy why is this Dr? I listed great films. Your creamed corn guy and I'm trying to be kind to you. I love you. They're very interesting chooses. Those bands. Interesting choices and you can compare music to move it. Okay. Here we go. I just came down from space. What are your favorite films that would depict cinema? I don't have a lot of time W does Dallas Debbie. Does Dallas. Okay. What else probably something off porn Hav know. My. Top Five I don't have much. All right. So I would have to go. Probably do a western. So it probably do blazing Saddles Sergio. Leonis. The good. The bad. The ugly great movie. It's a great movie. Yeah. That's a great movie. It just shows you. You know that era I don't have much time. Okay. Number two I would have to do go across off Oh for sure. Okay. Don't roll your eyes and. Dumb that you did that. He's an alien wasn't know about the world going to suggest infant just to me next as a wall do I'll rip your basic basic your basic corner album do you like I don't know. All right go ahead. Go ahead Kirk. Do My fucking. Yes I would probably do Do Ron. Ron. funches no ron it's called. Ron. Ari and and it's It's it's colored movies I. Don't have much time. Okay. Number three I would go I would have to do. It's hard. See Apocalypse now. Okay. It's a war movie. I have done a war movie. Yeah. You're right. So war movie one in there. Yeah. It's also it's got some fantasy an to a little bit You know. It's it. Yeah I like it. Okay four yes. The three Oh what yeah. Yeah. Curse our Kurosawa good ugly. And also apocalypse now can number four would have to be Our spaceship is warming. You know I would do something a comedy comedy. Comedy in there. Yeah. I would probably do this is going to be sound. So stupid, you're GONNA hate this. But it's it's a little artsy I really think it's funny and cute but I would do The, royal tenenbaums. Okay the role tell him I like that's not a traditional comedy today. Good. Yeah. It's good. You would pick big. Big As unequivocally, one of the one of the most fantasy slash reality well written. Megan sands big a fortune teller machine turned him into a fucking kid an adult. What the fuck is this perhaps, it was a metaphor. Do you think deeply. Anyway. Can do fifth. Fleas fuck. Athol big is a phenomenal movie fronta back upside down some digress. Great. Some of the most. Hilarious Tom Hanks ever done. Give me the ball baskin he gets into a fistfight over handball so funny. It's that movie is so good. The Piano Sane Fao Schwarz like one of the most iconic scene in film history. That's the connex. Andrei who went to film? School is the FAO Schwarz scene from big one of the most iconic scenes in film history It's well known in the they're not conic. It is iconic a- Andres based on what? Could come in. Andrea. Is based on fucking. But based on the movies we suggested Andreas, right what would they teach in film school Oh, that's that's not what we're going. What am I? What would School? Yeah because he knows noise. School so he knows right I. Just WanNa I just WANNA. I'm curious. I'm curious. Go ahead, Andres their pretentious assholes and film school I. If I know unpretentious they are aren't they andrews they are yeah it's. addressed. To Film School answer he was just GonNa. Say something our might be there. Yeah. It. Would would honestly Andrea listening now? Okay. Of course Penny Marshall Aren't going to be in film school would be in film school with even say the movie probably not okay. No thank you. But you didn't say you didn't say what movies do my fifth would be. I'm giving an alien I think is Dope Yeah? No have the v what's going to drive a crazy. Yeah I know. Yeah. By, the way you're a comedian and you think that's that's the comedy you'd give them yet because it who okay. Our probably do Paris taxes my faith. Who they teach that in school probably. Yeah. Yeah. Pretentious. New Grab is good movies. Anyway corn What else? It's so funny that you pretend like you like high end stuff the most low end buggered person on earth I really also you yelled at me you just yelled at me way lower than I ever yell at you and and you said last hour take a poll over who yells I do you remember that oh? Yeah we did okay. Yeah, we did twitter responded. Let's take a look at what this says. Bob Can you read that Yeah Rudy want you tell me what this says just read that out loud. The fans can see it but go ahead and tell me what it says. They're rude Tito Bobby Sixteen on hold on. Sorry. There you go. What does it say? TITA bobby at sixty point five percent Andrew has thirty nine point five while the final results are in. Two. Hundred votes it's betraying what's fact you yell I it's betrayal from the audience how they just? No they don't. They don't know. You know they. Do you know it really sad it really has I. Think you've skewed this fucking this. Yeah. I think the fans now I can see. Iraq, to open the online. I'm not blind and I'm not dumb. I well, the Internet and. Everything. Right. Well, then it because. I joke. Lanny is not a dumb dumb. But I think the skewed the audience into your favorite. Of Joke I'M NOT I. Know it was not. So I do raise my voice I you always do. You do and and you put it on me as if I do. Andreas is laughing I do a lot of things like that. I do reversed. You know reverse psychology I do a lot that you're extremely manipulative. I'm very little in your good. Yeah, I'm. Like, you know what you can do your late today again. And that's okay and I don't mind because I prepped for it I know it's coming but if I'm late once. WHO throws? A fit. Me Yeah Right? You're right I. Bet that bad. Yeah. Bad Guy. No no no. No I mean I. do things. But that recognize that if we had a tally board of WHO's late. I'd have one tally. And you'd be. Necker so bad right now, why would stressing me out I'll I'm sorry I don't know. I'll have a stroke in front of you. They'll be great. I'll do stroke in front of you find. Fact that would be. If I was GONNA have a stroke I would would have one in front of you want to die a stroke. No, I just think it's a part of my family history but. Had A stroke in your family my dad. But Mike Guy Grandpar-. No he didn't. He didn't die cancer. Stroke but with a stroke was didn't have anything wrong inside of him. He couldn't walk because of the stroke but I thought he was deteriorating because of something inside he didn't. Know Joke. Whatever you're doing right now is a really hurtful. What don't you listen? Then did he have something? He had a stroke so the stroke is the only thing to kill him. He was just complicated. There's complications after a stroke. But he didn't have anything else otherwise no pre existing conditions health league AIDS AIDS. That's A, know my dad died from a stroke. He died from and because of the complications of a strong because he lived through the stroke. Yeah my all Mike. My grandparents were all paralyzed from the neck down fucking strokes. I had I had my. Until you fucked up story, I'm. Ready. Devotee about the the when my dad discovered marks on my grandmother's body no no, I don't think so. So my grandmother. I'm fucking sweating right now. My grandmother lived in Korea and she was paralyzed from the neck down from a stroke for like twenty five years. They never left. She never left the living room of this like. Imagine this old Korean House with paper walls or in it. Okay. Thank you and she would just sit there on this kind of call her full pad up. A WALL And she just sit there because she couldn't move. So she would sit on the floor leaning into the wall yet, but she was always smiling you know and. And one day. My Dad. Discovers welts all over body. No Right. He goes hey why you grandma have worked. manfully go we don't know. Do. Y. Do why she bleeding? You're you're beating over like what we don't what the fuck you're, right? Yeah. So like two days later he walks in the room and my brother and I have stinks. Stinks. You're ending our. Why? Ob. Just. Sit there and smile. With sticks. Yeah. You are off I know we're awful. So many stories. Never never on the face in shows on the face you right how could you go to worship? Explain it right? You. Can't do it on the that's insane. It's insane. Hit your grandma. Yeah. But and we I remember getting in so much trouble. Yeah. That makes. For hitting your you live. I. Saw You. Guys doing you convince Steve Steve Probably didn't WANNA do it. He knows. Steve used to go to go to a McDonald's and even as three four, zero five or as soon as he could speak, right he would literally walk up to a fat person and go get your bat. And just walk away. Like he had one of those like he's one of those kids that like just didn't have no filter. You'll walk funny and then just walk away like he was a fucking asshole. And that we had to teach him his do that kid safe. They don't know any better and they say what they're feeling right away right there's no filter he he's my brother has been doing that all his life and then we had to teach them not to do it. Well Yeah. Just completely like I told I told us I used to tell a joke about this a kid when I were playing I'd I'd like a horrifically bad acne and we were playing basketball and it's even worse when I'm like in season I was sweating and a little black kid in West Aurora high school he came up to me in the hallway when I was having a drink of water. And he was like man you pretty good for white boy. Thanks and I thought he was like a sweet little kid like a little tiny on. You know how old he had it been maybe six seven. And as he's walking away, he goes, Hey, white boy an attorney smiling already knows. What's all over your face? Like broke my soul was it pimples Bob. Really Yeah I had such bad acne. He was a what's all over your? I said, this is part of the Joe Yeah I said this is what happens when your dad's sticks around. No he nobody really hurt my feelings and I was a kid. It hurt my feelings so much to this little confident little tiny kid and I'm a teenager in high school. Yeah. Let's all over your face. It hurt Unbelieveab- like Oh God who was sole acne I was acne myself you had a bad did you ever on the stuff? No accutane I did it I, took it even in my early twenty s I remember like my friends took it four times really and stuff like killed people. Active accutane all my God. Yeah. People committed suicide on it and they have they got sued. It was crazy. I would just go go go to work at like I will have coffee shop called the Panikin in La. Hoya and I would just have fun being zits and boils over my face. 'cause I had no fucking money do I so stressed out you will and had no soap. I had no money nothing in it's an and you can't take care of it. Yeah. Accutane I have I have never seen a doctor at the time. I didn't have a dent that's what all my teeth are gone because I was so poor for so long what do you mean all your teeth are still on your mouth other not smile no I can't smile for me. You know about my teeth, your teeth are fine. Y- The teeth that you're seeing now I know that the are the only ones better there. That's the remnants. Back. Here. The back of never seen I'll show you. Yeah. Let me say but don't get too close. All gone. They'd left town. By Yeah I mean I've got this. You can't see but my teeth were so bad. All I've got from from here from the Canine and all the way back What do you call them crowns and they're all? Yeah it's all fake about nothing back here Israel in fact, one time identified to me. He goes look dude this is getting out like he's I have to keep fixing stuff 'cause use a bad teeth and I was like, well, I don't even eat sugar I'm not like a desert I don't do any that he has nothing to do with that. That's a lie it's a rumor it's rhetoric. You have bad teeth. You don't some people have better people never get cavities. Yeah. He was just get veneers and I said I don't know what I don't know what that is on anything about he showed me pictures of a nurse like if they're done, right they're good. Scary because if you get the bad ones. If you get the bad ones, you look Matt Dillon from From what is it called What's the Cuckoo Cameron Diaz? Movie. As something about Mary Yeah I mean if you get bad veneers. You end up having these teeth, the Matt Dillon, and this is all this I always think of this. Whenever like I always think about this movie whenever I think about Veneers Yeah I love that movie. So good. I love that movie you know the come was real in her hair. Ben Stiller was I no, he didn't WanNa do it unless it was real that's not true. Yes, it is. He's a method guy. He goes I don't I won't do what I did to him. So he liked this open marker. Yeah. Like had a crush on her at the comedy store. Yeah. But I can't name but no show that he would come. Just to see her while in he kinda knew that was like a regular whatever. And then. So I don't know why did this but one day? I wanted to Russell. Them. You wanted to wrestle Mandela why I don't understand. You were just in one of your moods you know how do I got a guy, the get off me man if you kind of laughing. Yeah. But then like he started walking and clung onto his legs. On the ground no, he was I was on his legs I. Wa. You get off me and then he snapped Oh. Yeah. You can't get off. And I never saw him again. He never I never saw him again. You I mean there's always those like a little weird thing he decided in your in your mind like why did I do that? Yeah. Why would you make that choice? It's a really bad idea. Yeah. It was a bad idea. It's a bold leap but you have to try. Right. We all have to try we all take shots. Yeah. So you're not you're not old enough to Europe `bout experience these things in your twenties. You're about the experience nightmarish social situations. Yeah. Get ready where you go where you go. What did I do that? You know what I mean forget combination on. That right. I mean, it's GonNa get. It's GonNa get way whereas when you start going to bars and beating guys and you start going out into the workforce, you know people are going to be so awkward to you especially now that you're a superstar on the Internet, I'm GonNa show you a little gift that was given to me some information that I think you'll really enjoy. Honestly this is really positive stuff. So. Let's take a look at this little news report that just came out. We'll be onto a different destroy the average head sight of Koreans as been supposedly growing and growing over the past four decades. Group of researchers from renown local university claims to have evidence to prove this phenomenon is real that me sheds light on how and why this might be happening. It's getting bigger. Thanks. To a better quality of life improper nutrition. Crean's are getting taller and bigger, and so is their size. Researchers I Create University College of Medicine Ran. Magnetic Resonance Imaging Scans on one hundred and Fifteen Koreans born in the nineteen thirties and nineteen seventies and reconstructed there cranium. Three dimensional images. So you guys are so advanced, you've sped up. To four decades took us, two centuries your. Six percent that's incredible to is. What are you doing this? Honestly what? Don't listen in. Your calling me, you call me a Mongoloid no I'm just saying this is how this is not a slam or oh to. Was Positive Koreans? Are, more advanced than us. Their heads are growing at an at a beautiful rate, the bigger, the head, the better. So your head, they said in the rest of this, I don't want to play the whole clip. It's not that entertaining by it. They said your head right now as a Korean man will grow before your death two to three times the size of an average western American. I just wish that like there are other things that grew as well like your nose or ears. Dick. You're you had that shot and it stopped know what I'm saying is that why does it have to be the head? Oh. Why does that? Why does? Everything grow. Proportionally to everything else. Does, for some in this situation, it seems like the head is growing heading. That's the only thing that's gonNA control because look I mean what we're big up people. Your Age and you are and why is that even a slam? Why would that's not even a slam just wanted to show you this already if you're like at a bar and you walked up to the big headed lug. That would like people would call me. It just makes me laugh to think if one day you do have kids and forty years from now if they get another six percent increase, how big your your child's head would be. It would be very, very, very large. You already have a large dome. Can you wait what you're saying to me now is what that if you saw me we didn't know each other. Yeah, and we were at, let's say Wings. Some sort of a wing place buffalo wild, wings. We were we doubt right right? Yeah. I'M GONNA table I'm having a beer walk and you know let's go. Let's go tackle them a man keep it down. Jesus Christ had his been. That's Is that what you would think. The honest. No Man what's up bigheaded. No. But honestly is going to be something that you would think about sitting down your head doesn't look big but standing up it does. So so what you're saying is that I'm like fucking wobbly headed. I'm a bobble guy. Very big head. You don't have a very big, but it's big. It's big. It's big proportion to your body. Jewels tiny. She has a small because she's a tiny girl. Yeah. Tiny body you're I mean his Tito's had big. Yeah Yeah Okay Okay Okay, you be mad at her now I'm a little mad. All right. Okay. Oh, man you know. Thank you for playing but also you're in trouble. Thank you for playing but you're also in trouble so I th I'm so glad that we did this voice together Oh this is you were done with the voyage yet does end but don't you think you need to carry the voyage? No, no I I realized that you know we. Talked about this guy. Yes, instagram and I realized I don't fucking now it's going to be myself. That's what I like. Yeah. Because I don't fuck you have to be you. It doesn't even matter. We have to be us. It's GonNa be me and I'm going to do it. Look at me. Yeah. I love to hear you. That's going to be myself honestly. Thank you brand.

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Hit Parade: The Posthumous Hits Edition, Live from Seattle

Slate's Culture Gabfest

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Hit Parade: The Posthumous Hits Edition, Live from Seattle

"Hi there hit parade listeners. This is Chris Milan fee with short. Disclaimer the show you're about to hear was recorded live in Seattle earlier this month at the museum of pop culture. It was an amazing night. However due to technical issue with the Mike's on stage and our recording equipment. We had some audio issues in the recording. You're about to hear in a few spots. Where I am talking over a song clip. I am a little hard to hear we've left in just a few of these spots. Which are fortunately pretty brief. We've also re recorded some of our guest intros where the audio was not up to snuff. So if you hear a few spots where the audio sounds different. That's why we did have a fantastic night with amazing guests and a lively pop confidence. And hopefully, our enthusiasm comes across here. And now on with the show. Please give it up for Christmas. Lampy? We've got the call. Welcome to hit for a podcast pop. Chart history from slate magazine about the hits from coast to coast coming to you live from the museum of pop culture, aka mo-, pop in Seattle, Washington. I am Chris Milan theme chart analysts pop critic writer of slates wise, the song number one series. And also a proud presenter at the pop conference mo- pops annual gathering of music academics. Critics journalists and all around obsessive. Obsesses we are here on the final night of pop con nineteen and as you can hopefully hear out there and podcast land. I am being joined tonight by a couple of hundred friends and colleagues say Hello friends. I want to take just a moment to explain to my listeners why so honored to be hosting an episode of my podcast right here. But maybe it is best explained by a man who has on occasion called himself king nerd. So naturally, I'm a fan of Seattle rock and roll museum, but keeps the music alive with their annual pup conference. It's a weekend long music festival in the tradition of Woodstock and Coachella. But instead of jammed your favorite band, your gym and a series of panel discussions and presentations of scholarly papers, you know, they're motto less rock, more talk. This year's puff conference has so many amazing dissertations once again, my scholarly paper did not make the cut this year. They have rejected self love in an elevator. Appalachian images of hedonism eroticism and the mechanized urban landscape in post comeback Aerosmith. You can believe that I for one would have loved to hear that Aerosmith paper. And as would be presenter. Stephen Colbert noted popcorn is indeed where music eeks go to probe the inner workings of what makes music tick dissecting, the art and the science of this populist craft does this sound familiar more than once fellow critics have told me they think of hit parade as a monthly pop conned paper turned into a podcast guilty as charged indeed two years ago this month. I announced the launch of this podcast right here at this conference just moments before delivering my twenty seventeen popcorn paper. Colbert would have a field day with this one lifting my voice plugging one ear charts based history of the charitable celebrity mega single. Three months later that paper became the fourth episode of hip and a couple of months after that my twenty eleven pop con paper singles going steady the record industry's vacillating relationship with the retail single is reflected in a half century of the billboard hot one hundred that became hit parades. Great war against the single edition. Touch this. If you've been enjoying this podcast, you have to pop on content without even knowing I personally have been attending popcorn for just over a decade since two thousand eight but the conference dates back to two thousand two when it was founded by academics. And critics Eric was barred an powers thank you, Eric and an and sponsored here for. And sponsored by the experience music project now renamed mope and for most of its eighteen years. It's been held every April right here at the museum's super cool building right next to the space needle designed by Frank Gehry pop resembles nothing so much as a Jimi Hendrix smashed guitar. I will not be the only music writer up here. Dropping science on you all tonight. I'm going to be joined by six pop conference presenters, all esteemed writers in their fields for many conversations about the legendary artists we're going to discuss in this episode. It's the kind of party only a bunch of cerebral culture vultures could possibly throw. Every year, the poverty organizers, pick a theme abroad topic around which all of the discussion will revolve for that year. This year's theme chosen by our fearless popcorn leader, Charles Hughes. And his organizing committee is only you and your ghost will know music, death and afterlife. I'm playing that song to lighten the mood as pop con go. This is one of the more provocative and morbid, but I will admit I was pretty sight. When I heard that this would be the theme for the pop con where I would be doing a live show because as you may have heard rock and soul have generated no shortage of material from and even about the great beyond. Moaning every every every movie and every cinema about death. That sells he's something about this that that so black. How much more black -display through his? Sure as none nuns lying. Rationalizing this. Spinal tap manager. Ian, faith has a point crass. It. Sounds death. Does sell we have decades of chart evidence tobacco. Sup on this? I'm going to present some of that evidence tonight. And as in our last live show in Brooklyn last year. I will also be inviting my live audience here in Seattle to take part by answering trivia questions. So without further ado, and at the risk of literally trivializing, the rock and roll afterlife. Let's get this night of the living dead party started. A posthumous is specifically defined as a song or an album recorded by artists that makes the charts after his or her death, depending on how many charts you look at. There have been dozens perhaps hundreds of such hits from Eddie Cochran who died way back in nineteen sixty. Miss for. This is like this the public collectively decides to focus their grief at the loss of an artist on one particular work a song or album that takes on new resonance in the wake of their passing. Indeed, speaking of wakes this chart activity serves as serves a ceremonial purpose. A mass scale eulogy often it happens immediately and in the twenty first century. Now, the charts are powered by instantaneous digital data billboard will often report sales or streaming figures just days after a death wherein the deceased material rises by thousands of percentage points tracking these posthumous chart moves might seem crass maybe even a bit gruesome. But the evidence is also revealing when confronted with the loss of a well known artist what of their work, do we organically gravitate towards how do we celebrate and mourn them when George Michael died on Christmas day, twenty sixteen unsurprisingly his most played song radio that day was Rams perennial and now sadder than ever last Christmas. But who might have guessed a few days later that the most downloaded song would be. His contemporaneous whim. Valid careless whisper it's suave sax. Now, suddenly turned sorrowful. Or when Tom petty died following on many of his most played tracks were build such as the wistful free fall or the defiance at the gates of hell, I won't back down. But I was charmed in that first week to learn that among his five biggest posthumous sellers was his nineteen Ninety-four stone. Dude, hit you don't know. How it feels? It's very title now sounding like an encomium. We will March hip parade to nine different weeks tester knowledge of the songs Americans requested bought and streamed in order to pay their respects. Let's get right to the first question. We're going back to the nineteen fifties and predictably the so-called day the music died, and I promise that as the last time you will hear that shopworn phrase tonight. So I understand that nine of our live ten dis tonight have been given numbers corresponding with our nine trivia questions. Can I get contestant number one? What is your Jennifer, Jennifer? Thank you. How many people in verse? And away. We go. Of these rock legends, whose the only one who wrote a hit that reached number one on the one hundred after February third nineteen Fifty-nine a the big opper- be buddy. Holly, see Ritchie Valens or de Dom McLean. Don mclean. Oh on the correct answer is c Ritchie Valluns. But thank you so much for. So the was strain on American pie. Don clean sings about people joins mothering. On february. Third nineteen Fifty-nine they boarded doomed four seat Beechcraft bonanza airplane taking off from Mason city, Iowa bound for Moorhead, Minnesota, a destination. They would never reach also fairly easy to eliminate his choice. AJ Richardson junior aka the big Bopper who is essentially a one hit wonder, albeit a pretty great hit. No. Yeah. This is the big Bopper speaking. The jolly Bava earned his legendary status for chantilly lace enshrined at the rock and Roll Hall of fame. It did make the pop top ten peaking at number six in November nineteen fifty eight. Lanes PANA per day of as. Hanging. The was having a hard time following it up. Even more self referential bottles away, barely scrape on thirty and its side little red riding hood peaked at number seven that leaves two candidates for posthumous hit making buddy Holly and Ritchie balance. Obviously hollies catalogue of hits is an American treasure trove and blueprint for so much of what rock would become and future decades. Among these three. Holly was the only one to score chart topping hit while alive peaking at number one on Billboard's best sellers in stores chart a precursor to the hot one hundred with that'll be the day on September. Twenty third nineteen fifty seven. The day. Bye. Finally in Ritchie vowels, not only was the young man born Ricardo Valenzuela the youngest of these three just seventeen the night of their fateful flight. He also had something special chart wise a hit that spanned the weeks before and after the plane crash. His tender ballad, Donna. It was at number three the week of the incident, but it reached a new peak of shoot threes later, given how much slower the charts compiled those days this February third nineteen Fifty-nine was essentially a meeting Donna was both balances and his first posthumous beside slot. They're out of a belief that it would be a tougher sell on radio was balances rocked up cover. No Mexican song. It was potent enough to charge right number twenty two in the early weeks of nineteen Fifty-nine just before the plane crash but decades later that song would become even more famous when two of the three stars from rox first major tragedy were enshrined at the cinema. Both Holly and values were the subject of rock bio-pics decades after their deaths. Hollies arrived in nineteen seventy eight with director, Steve rashes, the buddy Holly story a bio pic that one. Nearly universal acclaim for the Academy Award nominated lead performance by Gary Busey. Yes. That Gary Busey. Yes. And Oscar nomination and beauty won the national society of film. Critics Award for best actor besides renting the movie, you can still watch abuse performances Holly on YouTube, and he is indeed impressive actually singing and playing himself and fully embodying the young Holly. Say. Will. Nine years in the summer of nineteen thing director, Louie, La Bomba, the story of Richie Valance starring Filipino. American actor Lou diamond Phillips who like was considerably older at the time of filming than the deceased rockstar. He was playing LA Bamba was more of a popcorn picture earning. No nominations, but generally acclaimed for Phillips's performance and its portrayal of Chicano culture, both movies were modest hits earning a multiple of their respective budgets and both spawn soundtracks, but one soundtrack was a Curio the other phenomenon despite arriving in the same nineteen seventy eight summer that turned Greece's fifties. Nostalgia into a blockbuster. LP the buddy Holly story soundtrack featuring Gary bucy's performances of hollies material stalled at number eighty six on the Elbe chart in a fairly brief chart run. It split the market with a near near-simultaneous compilation of Holly's own material with the crickets twenty golden greats which wound up charting modestly higher at number fifty five. That Holly LP would eventually go gold the BCS album, not so much in theory, a decade later, LA Bamba should have done not much better it to a soundtrack filled not with original tracks. But with covers perhaps the crucial difference was that these covers were not by actor Lou diamond Phillips, although he does lip sync in the music video for the film's title track. That track was performed with furious energy by east LA band. Los Lobos who took both the Lebombo single and album to number one on their respective charts. As the album went double late summer and fall of nineteen seven which Valez had never been more popular. And for simply revamping Mexican folks from better he earned sole writing on hot one hundred number one day. It is a curious thing of public embracing art of fresh new by the nineteen seventies, buddy. Holly was a radio staple for all of us a plane his hauling mostly felt like act. 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Nice and the kid Mero bring their take on current events, politics, sports and pop culture, all while shooting the breeze with the week's hottest celebrity guests a new episode of diesel and Mero drops every Thursday at eleven pm only on Showtime. What is? Thank you for. What's artist scored the hot one hundred's I ever posthumous number one hit in nine hundred sixty a Otis Redding. Be Keith moon siege. Janice, Joplin or deed Jimi Hendrix. I think it's be Keith moon. So I'm down tween as C in days. Otis redding. That is correct. I what. Now, Otis Redding. I top the hot one hundred as a songwriter while he was still alive that happened. When this classic song respect was famously turned into a feminist anthem by Aretha Franklin her version of reading song hit number one in the summer of sixty seven but prior to his passing reading had gotten no higher on the hot one hundred the number twenty one with his nineteen sixty five Otis blue classic. I've been loving you. Too. Long are been. And even after his legendary Monterey pop festival performance in the summer of nineteen sixty seven all reading singles on stacks records and sister label volt fell well short of the top twenty on the pop chart, but that same summer is when Otis began writing song that would change everything just. Doc watching Thai. Sittin on the dock of the bay was not only read his soul number one. As an artist on both the hot one hundred and the Aren beach art, it was his only top twenty poppit and remains his perennial radio standard, but reading would not live to see its chart topping success two days after recording the song in December nineteen sixty seven with co writer and guitarist Steve cropper Reading's twin engine plane crashed near Madison Wisconsin, three months later for the week ending March sixteenth nineteen sixty eight dock of the bay was at number one the first posthumous chart topper in hot one hundred histories. To talk about this artist and song, I'd now like to bring up the first of my esteemed guests, Emily j Lordy is the author of black residents icon IQ women singers and African American literature and the thirty three and a third series book, Donny Hathaway, her music and book reviews have appeared on such sites as the New Yorker, the Atlantic our own slate the root the fater and the Los Angeles review of books. She is an associate professor of English at UMass. Amherst. Would you please help me? Welcome Emily, Lordy. So you've written about Otis Redding before most. Specifically, a wonderful Atlantic piece about nineteen sixty six is trial little tenderness in which you position that song very persuasively as a civil rights era song of resistance yet. Dock of the bay is almost the opposite of that deliberate attempt by reading to crossover and very different from his prior work on Stax, volt. Can you talk about where reading was at in nineteen sixty seven what inspired him to write the song, sir? So in nineteen sixty seven I think we see Otis both at the height of his powers and also very hard at work. So I think of sixty seven for him as almost what you often referred to on the show is the imperial period. Right. That he's on the verge on the brink of that that moment of incredible creative explosion and experimentation where an artist and kind of do anything and his fans will go with him dock of the bay is a good example of that. It does show him experimenting with different kind of static at a spare kind of. More folksy that he's drawing on influences like Dylan and the Beatles at that time. But you know, he's come off of and has gained confidence from this incredibly successful for spell European tour that he does earlier the previous year right with the stacks review. And then also, of course, his famous just, you know, incredible performance at the Monterey possible. As you've noted, and so, you know, he's working really hard in that, you know, that hard driving kind of gruff sounding soul that that we here in respect satisfaction. Try little tenderness, you know, his really like show stopping bring down the house closing song of his live sets. Try a little tenderness has taken a toll on his voice. And so he needs to get surgery on his Boca cords. And so he does he has to rest rest his voice rest body for a solid five weeks at the end of which he goes into the studio and. Records sitting on the doctor the bay which is a song that he had started earlier when he had been in San Francisco for the Monterey pop festival. So I see this as being about Otis at work. And in some ways, I do see as a song of social commentary. That's some ways about daily bers. If we think about the speaker of the song, not just as Otis Redding himself, but as is kind of persona of somebody who's left his home in Georgia headed to the I go bay he sitting there, you know, two thousand miles from home. What has brought him out here? Right. If not the promise of work, and is ICS kind of a, you know, work on the docks, which might not be available at this particular point. So what is there to do? What form of resistance? Do you have, you know, except in some cases, sit there and rest and to think, and so I see this as Otis resting himself resting his voice, and you know, just in that way, actually. Creating very different kind of Arctic statement. When you hear dock of the bay today, where do you place it in the legacy of Otis Redding? Well, it's interesting to me because I think this is often seen and music. Critics talk about this song as being this offense expression of Otis Redding Reading's true south. He's bearing his soul. He's really upset or he's sad. And you know, people also see it as a premonition of his death that it's a prediction right of the fact that he is about to die really only a couple of weeks after recording the song. But I see it in some ways. Yes. It's about this as I said, it's about his work his life as a working musician. Right. And the way in which musicians are laborers. They are temperate laborers, right? They're going where the work is going out on tour. And so he skied as a kind of social commentary about what is required. But tick yearly of black artists in an industry that is often built on black labor. And I see it that way in part because Otis commented on that on. The kind of conditions of black workers both on and off stage. So there's a recording that he does at the whisky gogo and Hollywood and sixty six where in the midst of this brilliant, tents kind of hard driving set of hits he stops. And he says to the audience. Do you see how hard we have to work to eat? You see hard. We have to work. He also apparently, you know proposed the idea of an all black entertainers union to James Brown, and he said we should band together. Yeah. To stop getting exploited by these white promoters, and managers and all the people in industry James Brown, refused to join forces with him for his own complicated reasons with the places that was his dream. You know that was one of his dreams he wanted to own his own label. He wanted to produce his own stuff. He wanted to be his own boss. He wanted to stop being the -sition where as the person sings in as speaker sings in the song, he's at ten people telling him, you know, what what to do. Right. And so I see sitting on the dock of the bay as in some ways, you know? Know about that resisting that, you know, saying if can't do anything else at least I can rest for a minute, you know, just sit here and think not everybody else's back in call in. Finally, I'll just say to that for that reason we can see otas working in this kind of motive introspective souls. We tend to think about SOLAS bigs tackler bombastic performance of the charismatic, especially male figure right salmon, Dave's soul, man. And hold on. I'm coming in these kind of big songs, they allow them Buckingham proud. But you know, there's also this quieter more introspective soul aesthetic that just reading is embodying here this moment where you're just going to turning inward. You're having a Solis. Oh conversation with yourself. Figuring out kind of what you need to do to go forward. And in that way, we can see this as kind of former owner to the kind of different Solis that's going to emerge in the late sixties and seventies. Like, an algorithm is a ks mini riverton. He's an unlikely. Precedent in some ways to that. That's excellent. Thank you so much. Exactly. Can I have contestant number three? Four. Hello. What is your name Sarry? Thank you so much for joining us. Are you ready for your question? Sure. All right here. We go. What early seventy smash became the second ever posthumous number one hit a the carpenters superstar be Jim crow. Ci time in the bottle see overs Presley burning love or d Janice Joplin me and Bobby McGee. So I have absolutely no idea this played stab at the dark. Go with DJNS Joplin me and Bobby biggie. Correct. Very nice. Written by Kris Kristofferson in nineteen sixty nine based on a suggested title by monument records, founder Fred foster me and Bobby McGee was not penned for Joplin. In fact, by the time, she got to it in late nineteen seventy it had already been in two short years a country hit for Roger Miller, a Canadian hit for Gordon Lightfoot and an album cut for everyone from Kenny Rogers. And the first addition to the statler brothers Christoffersen owned nineteen seventy version later used in the Monte Hellman road movie two lane blacktop is also memorable. Free. Justin, the phone nothing lead to new. Nothing named word nothing, but Joplin's chart-topping nineteen seventy-one smashing has basically overshot. Good was on this morning on very have chanice biographers, my guest, Holly, George wars addition to writing Janice her life and music coming this fall on Simon and Shuster is also the author of dozen plus other books Holly teaches at the state university of New York at new pulse. Would you please help me give a warm? Welcome to Holly, George Warren. So I read an interview with Fred foster where he said he originally couldn't picture, Janice. Joplin a hard rocker doing Bobby McGee which at route he heard as tender country song. How did she wind up with it? And besides obviously, the female perspective what Janice bring to the song. Well, basically her doing that song was a return to her roots like Kris Kristofferson, she was a native of Texas and she started out performing doing hillbilly blues country Austin, Texas when she was a student at UT in nineteen sixty two and she had become known. Yes. As a she was a screamer a piece of my heart, which was actually an Orrin b song by Irma Frank Cup in sung by Erma Franklin. You know, she became known as the screaming, you know, over the top raw emotive singer. But by the time, she started recording the songs for Pearl. She was learning to use more restraint and her vocals. Now the way she got that song. It's crazy story. But her manager, of course, was famous Albert Grossman also Bob Dylan's manager and also the manager of Gordon Lightfoot. Now, this amazing character in rock and roll history. Bob newer, who was known for you know, the aid comp of Bob Dylan had become that same role for Janice. He was hanging out in the office one day with Grossman, Gordon Lightfoot in they're playing guitar and plays me and Bobby McGee and Bob Newark's. It's like what does that song? I gotta learn that song. I gotta should the sewn, Janice. He had dinner that night with Janice. They'd already made a date. She always stayed at the Chelsea hotel. He went to meet her at the hotel player the song that he had just learned from Gordon Lightfoot. She's like, oh my God. I love that song. And she immediately. She had A Gibson hummingbird ATar and learned the play the song. And she ended up playing it for the first time. Actually, this was in nineteen sixty nine. She was still in the cosmic. Blues band of that time after she left big brother and the holding company. She ended up playing it for the first time in Nashville the fairgrounds there and the crowd went nuts. And of course, she introduced it by this guy. Kris Kristofferson, y'all might not know him. But he's going to be big. She did it again in Austin, Texas. And then she finally got to meet Kris Kristofferson that was she liked him. A lot. A lot of people like Kris Kristofferson at that time. But she she really she got the spirit of that song. She really got it. And she used a different kind of Janice voice, Janice. How a lot of. Ses. So given that you have just finished a biography of Janice. Thanks for the advanced copy, by the way, I'm so excited because it's terrific. How do you feel Janice? Biggest hit reflects her life. I I mean, I have too many people reduce Janice to me and Bobby McGee. Or does it reflect her artistry in her voice? It definitely shows how she could do so many different things with voice with the lyrics though. I mean, it really sometimes gives me a chill. She really did hitchhike from Austin, Texas with a guy named Chet Holmes and nineteen sixty three way before she joined big brother and the holding company. She went out to San Francisco for the first time to try to make it as a blues singer playing in coffeehouses, and she I met Jerry Garcia, and your McCallion then that period, and she really did snuggle with you know, shut and they got you know, rides picked up by truckers and stuff like that. So she really did live the words to that song, and they were seeking freedom Texas was very repressive. Then. She grew up in segregated town Port, Arthur, Texas that she was you know, couldn't handle living there and she loved San Francisco for the freedom that it offered her. So when you hear me and Bobby McGee on the radio to this day. I mean giving now you're kind of close relationship to Janice. Does it fill you with a certain stall, GIS or defection? What what enters your mind when I just turn it up baby. Now. And luckily for me, I live in Woodstock New York. So my station WGST plays a lot of Janice Joplin. So I'll hear piece of my heart blasted I'll hear her doing with her the cosmic blues span too. And maybe the shantelle sewn that she loved as a young girl growing up in Texas and the way she did that song a couple of other posthumous semi hits. They they did chart get it while you can now that one I tear up because those words do seem very Prussian for what sadly happened actually before she finished recording all the tracks Pearl is when she accidentally overdosed on heroin died. However can't thank you enough. This is great really appreciate it. Thanks. Oh, Lord, Shibam me. A Mercedes Benz my friends draft Porsche, she's must. We're. Left. No help from Frings. Shibam me a Mercedes bans Lord. I have contestant number four in the audience. My name is Chris. He's a Chris. Are you ready for question for sure right here? We go. Got drunk and hit already in the top ten in early December nineteen eighty soared to number one after his murder a just like starting over being woman. See watching the wheels. Ordine nobody told me. Wow. Wow. Everyone knows one. Let's go woman. I'm correct, correct. Answer was eight just like starting over. But thank you Chris for participating. The singles from John Lennon's nineteen eighty album double fantasy starting over woman and watching veal's are among the most famous posthumous hits ever given that Lennon's death remains the most media, covered and convulsive rock death of all time. One of these hits woman Lennon's Omar to collaborator and wife. Yoko Ono remains his adult contemporary radio standard to this day. But as this trivia question implies some may forget that the album's leadoff. Sing was already shaping up as a pretty major hit even before the former Beatles. Tragic death on December eighth nineteen eighty at the hand of Sassan, Mark, David Chapman. Just like starting. Over was a cheeky Omar to the rock and roll of Lennon's youth with John on the verses doing his best Elvis impersonation. No wants to. Twig. Starting over was already number six before Lennon's murder and rising to the top five the week. He was killed. We will never know how well would have done in a parallel universe where Lennon was not taken away from us at age forty, but as the lead off track to a very gentle reflective album that would soon become Lennon's epitaph the ironically, titled starting over holds a singular place in rock history. To talk about this Lennon hit I'd like to bring on as my next guest shack. Hamilton Jack teaches in the departments of American studies and media studies at the university of Virginia. He is also my colleague at sleep where he writes about pop rock and hip, hop, Lucy's sports and other areas of culture Jack's essential first book just around midnight, rock and roll and the racial immagination was published to great plain in the fall of twenty sixteen. Would you please help me? Welcome my colleague and good friend, Jack. How knicks? So Jack you've written extensively about rock and roll and its tropes. And this hit is all troop a song that wants to sound like the nineteen fifties. And it's coming out in one thousand nine hundred eighty at the start of the post disco backlash how much of this was Lennon just feeling the stall GIC. Do you think and how much of this was him channeling the culture to score a comeback hit? That's a great question. And thanks for thanks for having me. Chris. I really think it's mostly nostalgia. Lenin was a real hardcore nostalgic and had been for for really his whole career in a lot of ways, you know, the album the solo album that he made prior to double fantasy which isn't even a solo album because it's co credited him him and Yoko really, but was rock and roll which came out in nineteen seventy five which was an album of covers and covers of rock and roll songs from the fifties and early sixties, basically, and you if you go. And read interviews with him. You know, particularly the very famous nineteen seventy Rolling Stone Lennon remembers interview, you know, he talks about like, you know, rock and roll just like peeked with whole lot of shaking going on. And we're all trying to get back to that. Even when he's talking about the Beatles. He says like, oh, you know, we were at our best before we even started recording. You know that was like we wanted to get back to that. So definitely that style thing another thing like in terms of the anti disco thing Lennon by his own account had been really kind of checked out of music for the last five years. I mean, again, it had been five years since he made his last album he'd be spending a lot of time in you know, basically has a house husband raising raising Sean, and he gave an interview to playboy right, basically right before his death, very lengthy interview to David Sheff. And he says that he's all he's been listening to his music and classical music, and I don't really know if that's totally true. But like, I don't think. He was really plugged in enough to be sort of like calculatedly tapping the guys to be like, oh, this is what's gonna what's going to sell. And Lastly, I would just say that, you know, I'm personally, maybe more of a I'm much more of a Paul guy than John guy. But like we're happy tapping tapping into the guys kind of cynically to make that hit. That's paul. And you say that as a as a devoted, Paul? Yeah. Totally. I mean, that's that's that's a Paul move now to John fair fair enough. So it has always seemed difficult to me to take this single and album out of their tragic context and the system properly, I mean opinion on them swung widely both back then. And in the decades that followed almost forty years later now where do you think starting over and double fantasy sit in Lennon's Irv can we finally just regard them as music? No. I think I mean, I think it's I it's always gonna be kind of impossible to separate them from their context. The great critic Simon Frith shortly after Lenin's death wrote an obituary for him or sort of eulogy in New York rocker magazine and Frith has amazing line where he says, it John Lennon was the only rock singer who could sing the word, we convincingly, which is just an incredible thing to say, and it's just like and just like starting over is a we song, you know. And there's an aspect of. That I think resonated with his fans, we're obviously he's singing it presumably to Yoko. You know, it's a love song. But it's got that. It's the word. We I think is in its opening lines are or that sort of first person plural construction. And there's this way that this song kind of registers him like you can almost hear it registering with his fans, that's sort of like a there's an intimacy to it. And it's also just I mean, I don't know the circumstances around John Lennon's death are just so sad. And there's something about double fantasy when it came out. It was when it first came out has received mixed reception. And a lot of critics knocked it for being, you know, it's like, oh, it's just as middle aged guy talking about sort of being happy and kind of board which was something that got knocked for at the time. And like in retrospect is one of the most charming aspects of albums, certainly watching the wheels. I think is actually an even better song in this one -nificant better, partly because it's so. So it's about such an interesting topic, which is basically being middle-aged, you know, and being this sort of like, I'm just sitting here watching the wheels round and round. And it's kind of fun. You know, and like everyone thinks I'm crazy because I'm not really doing anything. But you know, this is this is what I'm going to do. And that's like an interesting thing to write a song about. Yeah. So I mean, I really think that. Yeah. It's really it's really difficult to sort, and it's also just such a moving document of his relationship with Yoko and his sort of love their love for each other thinking about Yoko as someone who just put up with so much abuse from his fans, and sort of rock fans, you know, a lot of which was very sexist and racist, and a lot of it was just sort of fans being kind of obnoxiously proprietary over this this idol of there's this sort of equal part album this double album that sort of have his and half half hers and just the way that it's just it's really expression of a really romantic, but also very dolt type of love and devotion. Shen is just it's really special. And you know, it's not a I don't think it's it's a perfect album by any means. And there's you know, but at the same time, you know, like if you wanna ding it for like, it's I personally don't think it's super well produced F Lee sounds like an album that's made by someone who hasn't made music and five years. But like that said, I mean like I feel like a jerk for for saying, you know, about this field. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just sort of. It's really hard to separate it from from the from the context, I think it always will be it would be impossible to write a review of this album. That doesn't reckon with the fact that he dies weeks after it comes out, Jack. Thank you so much. That was extremely helpful. Hello. And what is your name? So much for joining. Thank you. Are you ready for question? I am. All right. How long after the death of Freddie, Mercury did the movie Wayne's world debut in movie theaters, a less than two weeks be less than three months. See more than a year or deep more than two years. I think I'm gonna go with seem more than a year. I'm sorry. The correct answer was be less than three months, but thank you so much participate. To be exact it was eighty two days between November twenty four ninety one, Freddie. Mercury died of bronchial pneumonia, resulting from aids and Valentine's Day, nineteen Ninety-two. When Wayne's world opened this story. I'm about to tell is not captured in the recent Queen bio pic also called bohemian rhapsody, which ends in one thousand nine hundred five six years before mercury's death. Of course, a lot of things about the band were not captured in that blockbuster now Oscar winning film, but why quibble it's such a true to life picture other than the fact that Queen weren't broken up prior to Live Aid, Freddie, solo album didn't upset the ban. Fat bottomed girls. Didn't come out in nineteen seventy four John D wasn't part of the original band. We will rock you was released in nineteen seventy seven when Freddie had no mustache, Freddie, met his partner. Jim Hutton at a club. And Freddie didn't reveal HIV status in nineteen eighty five. It's a perfectly entertaining moving. This is pop con we care about the details here. The film ends well before the improbable second act of the song bohemian rhapsody in Wayne's world. Although it is alluded to by the casting of Mike Myers in a small cameo. As Ray foster a record executive who also did not exist. But the omission of the songs nineteen Ninety-two comeback is a bit of a pity because as true stories about Queen go bohemian second act is one of the best in early nineteen Ninety-one before anyone outside of queens, inner circle. New Freddie was at death's door Paramount Pictures green lit a movie based on Wayne's world. A series of wildly successful Saturday night. Live sketches depicting, Wayne and his buddy Garth on cable access TV show lead actor Mike Myers had always planned for his Aurora. Illinois, dude, broke character Wayne Campbell to head bang to Baheen rhapsody. The shooting of the film was reportedly and infamously tents with Myers at one point even threatening to walk if rhapsody could not be cleared for use in the now famous car. Scene. I think we'll go the little bohemian rhapsody, gentlemen. Good. Call. Nice E little silhouette of. When the members of Queen were approached by the Wayne's world producers for clearance of the song guitarist, Brian May brought the video clip that they furnished of the head banging seen to lead singer and Brahim songwriter. Freddie. Mercury. The Elling mercury was reportedly charmed and booed by the clip, which he felt captured the comic manic spirit of the original song. He approved the clearance for the film in essence mercury while still alive was about to not only give a second wind commercially to his most famous composition. He was writing his own epitaph. As I noted in our hip rate episode about the history of the UK Christmas number one competition, queens Baheen rhapsody was a massive British hit just before Christmas nineteen seventy five in its original release it topped the UK chart for nine weeks setting a record at the time as the biggest selling British single ever. It would return to number one at Christmas nineteen Ninety-one just after mercury's death for another five weeks. The. Second UK run was a bit smaller. But then the I was so massive to begin with. But here in America. The story was the opposite bohemian rhapsody was a bigger hit the second time. Arguably the biggest posthumous rerelease in hot one hundred history you see in the mid nineteen seventies Queen were slower to break in the states. It took until mid nineteen seventy five more than a year after their UK breakthrough for Queen to even make the US top forty with killer Queen. Tendency with. One year after that in April nineteen seventy six Kenyan rhapsody was queens top ten US breakthrough Casey Kasem counted it down America. First time in the top ten for Queen from England at number nine this bohemian rhapsody. Is this number nine was as far as Baheen got in that nineteen seventy six run. But fifteen years later, the one two punch of mercury's November ninety one death a gut punch. She might call that. And the more joyous February ninety two release of Wayne's world. Now, an unplanned tribute to mercury would make bohemian bigger than ever, however, accidental all of this was queens label and promotional team did take full advantage of the coincidence and MTV played a key role. The original nineteen seventy five music video for Baheen rhapsody was innovative for its time. Six years ahead of the official launch of music television after mercury's death MTV put the old seventy five clip back into circulation, then in the winter of ninety two queens American label Hollywood records. Furnished a new version of the video the juxtaposed scenes from Wayne's world with mournful worshipful shots of the now deceased mercury with Mt. TV power rotating, both videos Queen re entered the hot one hundred in March nineteen Ninety-two one month after the movie hit theaters and sixteen years after the songs first hot one hundred run seven weeks later bohemian rhapsody reached a new peak of number two on the hot one hundred sandwiched between the number one jump by Kris cross and the former number one save the best for last by Vanessa Williams. The Wayne's world soundtrack topped the album chart in may nineteen Ninety-two powered by queens. Classic single. Speaking of classic Queen amongst later, a compilation by that title reached the top five in short, six months after Freddie mercury's death aggregating all of this chart activity the hottest band in billboard in the spring of ninety two was Queen was this the real life. Was it just fantasy never one to shy away from the limelight? Mercury would have been proud. All right. We're going to move on now to question. Six. Can I have contestant number six? What is your Paul Paul participating ready? All right here. We got. A decade after the death of Karen carpenter which nineties all truck act, scored a top thirty modern rock hit with a cover of carpenters. Single a the cranberries be Cheryl Crowe C four non blondes or d sonic youth. Say show crew be. Correct answer is d sonic youth. German. Written by Bonnie Bramlett and the on Russell superstar has been recorded men times. But no version was a bigger hit than the version by superstar sister brother duo, the carpenters whose death Lous version reached number two in the fall of nineteen seventy one. Twenty three years later in the fall of nineteen ninety four the carpenters were the subject of Courtney, but loving sivy. If I were are the Alba served as generation X posthumous tribute to Karen carpenter who had died more than a decade earlier in one thousand nine hundred three from heart failure associated with anorexia nervosa the album offered affectionate covers from all of the artists. I cited in that trivia question, plus American music club, shown knife, and bettys avert among others. Karen carpenter is also the subject of a brand new book from my next guest, whom I am honored to bring up. Now. Karen Thompson is the author of why Karen carpenter matters. I was lucky enough to see an advance copy. And it is a powerful and moving book. She is also the author of relocations queer suburban imaginary is a professor at USC and co editor of the award winning book series post millennial pop you can also hear Karen talk about the arts, entertainment and popular culture on the delightful. Weekly maximum fun podcast. Pop. Rocket would you? Please help me give a warm. Welcome to my dear friend and mutually proclaimed eighties girlfriend. Karen toxin? I want to focus our discussion on the carpenters. Nineties rehabilitation because unlike the other arts were discussing today, the carpenter scored all their big hits one Karen was still alive this tribute album was sort of Karen, carpenter's posthumous moment. But I think you and is gen Xers who appreciated Karen Richards music, the first time both have mixed feelings about this hipster reevaluation. So how did you feel about if I were a carpenter in nineteen ninety four and how do you feel about it? Now. In the historical parlance of homosexuality of which I very deeply identified. From the nineteenth and twentieth century. There is a snow Shen. Call a beard, and if I were carpenter was the sonic beard to my shame about like loving the carpenters in the nineties when they couldn't be loved openly for a period of time. And so once like all these mazing bins who are accepted and loved in that period, adored them and made these covers I felt completely safe in cloaked in my shame around the carpenters from that album. So that's what I have to say about that. So has it age? Well, I mean, did you did you like it better? Then do you like it better? Now, I have to say like, you know, I enjoy the album, then I felt it was a great cover cover of covers. Right. So it's like it's an album covers that like made so many identification possible because in the nineties, I think that we were all searching for different versions of authentic city. And you know, however, we wanna frame that historically or whatnot. Like once that album came out. And there were these kind of dour reassessments of these carpenters songs, sonic youth's cover being of superstar being one of them. You know, you had to like really rethink. Okay. Well, it's much deeper than that frothy in studio big like horn sounds and great arrangements situation things. But in the end like I fundamentally found the tracks on if I were a carpenter the ones that I found most salient to me were the ones that were closest to the spirit of what cairn Richard did in the original in. So, you know, sorry, folks, the sonic youth version of superstar I'm not into it. And you know, I much prefer something like Betty severity for all. We know or or even the cranberries. God bless you Doloresa Reardon. Yeah. Her version of close to you ever close. You was much closer to my spiritual affiliation a quarter century after if I were a carpenter, and especially after writing this book where would you locate her and their legacy? I think it's about the reassessment of our own relationships to music broadly. I mean, it's way bigger thing than saying people like them people don't like them. But I think that like the way we assess acts like the carpenters if not explicitly the carpenters says as much about our desires for how we feel we relate to music how much we invest our own levels of coolness or acceptance around who we like who we proclaim we like, despite the fact that I argue why Karen carpenter batters in the end, it's like the legacy of their music is about the stubborn attachment that we all have to this music that moved us that made us feel a certain way. But that we disavow because of various reasons, and it doesn't just apply to them as artists, but to others who disavow I just want to and I hope that we don't need an album like if I were a carpenter to validate. The loves that we have around popular music around. The sentimental attachments that we feel when we are coming of age in that Karen carpenter as an example, Kim just like allow us to I don't know feel like that that joy that attachment that pleasure in the voice that gives us the things that we feel in love. Why certainly cosign all of that? Karen? Thank you so much for so much as boyfriend. You can't. They get good and sweet. Can I get the contestant for questions seven? Hello. What is your name, Barron? Aaron thank you so much for joining us here tonight. Are you ready for your question? Yes. Right. On your bombers MTV unplugged in New York, Kirk Cobain played three covers backed by artists to originally wrote and performed them. Which of these was not one of them. A the man who sold the world be plateau see me or D lake of fire. Good clover. I'm going to have to admit I've never seen the MTV's unplugged nirvana. That's bad thing. I know no, no shape. But I'm going to I'm Canadian come on. I'm going to say the lake of fire. I'm wrecked answer was a the man who sold the world. But thank you so much for participating. The key to this question is knowing whom Kirkeby have on stage with them. Obser- Kurt and. Of the cobaine shows to cover three of their songs plateau OMI and lake afire from their nineteen Eighty-four psychedelic cow punk album meat puppets to. Many skill the grand face the latte. Some strange Cobain did not have onstage with him that night, David Bowie whose man who sold the world of on reforms earlier. Last fall when I asked Charles Hughes organizer of the pop conference if this year's theme of music, death and afterlife had been chosen specifically because pop con would fall immediately after the twenty fifth anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death. He told me it was just an uncanny coincidence. When I got over my chills, I realized we would have to commemorate what I and many critics feel is rocks. Most famous self directed funeral recorded live in November nineteen Ninety-three and rebroadcast practically on a loop on MTV in the days after fans learned on April eighth nineteen Ninety-four Cobain's suicide Nirvana's MTV unplugged was a unique fully conceived. Swansong I know I am not the only gen-xer who switched his grief. Rewatching this performance when it was released as the album MTV unplugged in New York later that year in not only debuted at number one on the album chart typical for nirvana after their breakthrough. It was ultimately certified five times platinum on a par with their studio album in utero and second only to the total ten times platinum. Never mind given the timing of our show tonight. I am especially fortunate to have as my guest Charles r cross who has written nine books, including the great heavier than heaven, the biography of Kurt cobaine, a New York Times bestseller and winner of the two thousand to ask award for outstanding biography, he is also the author of room full of mirrors, the biography of Jimi Hendrix and was the co author with an and Nancy Wilson of kicking and dreaming a story of heart soul and rock and roll. Would you please welcome Charles r cross? One of my favorite anecdotes about unplugged. From your book was the MTV producer who asked Cobain, whether the black candles and stargazer lilies. Requested for the stage where you mean like a funeral and Cobain responded that that was exactly what he will what he wanted in the quarter century since this event. Have you come to any conclusions about Kurt's own self awareness that night in other words, did he at some level? No, he was staged directing his own memorial service in some ways. I don't think he did. I mean, remember Kurt dies, April fifth nineteen ninety four and he had had near death instances throughout his life. There are at least ten that family members talked about and there's an overdose in March and Rome. But I think there was the sense that he knew he was coming to the end of his addiction that that that sort of meaninglessness of what that life was at that point. I think he felt that the end of the run it was the end of nirvana. That's one of the things that. People do not talk about nirvana was basically broken up at the point Kurt died in many ways, Kurt wanted to do something different. But, you know, nirvana as it had been the punk rock shouting Kurt was done with that. Opinions about this album as an album are pretty uniformly positive, but I've heard some call it the easiest way interval. And then conversely, I've heard it as an album that captures their influences and Kurtz quirks, where do you think falls in Nevada body of work and all these years later, what is its legacy? Well, it's legacy is that it is the first place many people discovered vulne in your earlier quiz taker I will buy a copy of unplug for anybody that wants it. And if you don't like it, let me know, but it's a guaranteed any nirvana fan or anybody that loves music just simply love the way, they approach these songs, Kurt essentially, re crafts von ah. He re crafts the idea of punk song writing in this one ninety minutes. He kind of takes these songs that we know is these loud screamers and Shouters any strips them down to sort of untarnished blue songs, which is what they are at their heart. And in some ways, I. I think it's a great critical moment because he links modern rock and roll with stuff from the plantation in the ice houses where rock began. Nobody thought that was possible at an unplugged to call Nirvana's unplugged. The greatest unplug it that's like the understatement of the century. It's it's the greatest thing that ever was on MTV. Do you have a favorite track on MTV unplugged one that kind of encapsulates the album for you? I love something in the way. I mean that is a track that where do you sleep last night? I love every song on this. You can't you can't miss because you feel the vulnerability of Kurt like essentially almost breaking he is breaking down on stage in yet. You also feel when he looks at you that you have the I contact more than any other performance. That nirvana did you feel you really get Cobain onstage? I'm relying on my memory here. But I remember you also said something interesting about his performance that night of penny. Royalty that it had kind of. I don't know an ache to it. Well, there is this kind of deep heart pain that you can feel in penny. Royalty a song Kurt had been working on for quite a while. And that when it finally came together on in utero. It's it's a monster pop hit. But he takes it on plugged in you feel when. You watch that performance that he's not maybe going to finish it. And that's the kind of owner ability that what makes this so special. Charles cross. Thank you so much for joining tonight. I really appreciate. Is contestant. Number eight ready to go. And here he comes. What is your name? And are you ready? So ready? All right here, we go. All of these nine hundred ninety seven hits feature rapping by the late. Notorious B I but only one opens with him wrapping which want a been around the world be MO money MO problems, see hypnotize or d it's all about the Benjamins remix. Well, we know puffy has put his fingers on a lot of stuff. Right. So we're gonna limit some of those. So we're going to go with C hypnotize. And that is correct answer is c straw. Coming. Instinct, don't mean shit stink. Most rap histories pair Brooklyn born Christopher Wallace. Aka the Notorious B I g with two Pasha core. His west coast counterpart slash rival slash fellow victim of hip, hop most fatal nineties war, but on the charts. There is a distinction between biggie and to POC POC scored his hot one hundred chart topper the double sided hit. How do you want it and California love in the summer of nineteen ninety six while he was still alive? Biggie on the other hand never lived to see his name on top of Billboard's flagship sharks killed in Los Angeles drive-by shooting on March ninth nineteen Ninety-seven. The Notorious B I g went on to become that year's most omnipresent musical figure as a ghost biggies prophetically titled life after death his Sean puff daddy combs produced second album topped the billboard two hundred album chart less than three weeks after big's murder, and it spun off two number one singles making big the only artist in history to top the hot one hundred twice posthumously. As my trivia question. Implies puffy was all over biggie. Singles only hypnotized is credited solely to big and features. No, wrapping by puff daddy on the summer, jam MO money. Mo problems biggie is the lead artist, but puffy and his fellow bad boy label. Rapper mace. Do all of the wrapping for the first two verses biggie doesn't show up until the song is more than two minutes. Info the. With. My final guest tonight will walk us through these big hits. Oliver Wong is a professor of sociology at California State University, Long Beach and has been writing on using and culture since nineteen ninety four. He currently co hosts the maximum fun podcast heat rocks, which I was delighted to guest on recently. Would you please help me? Welcome my own west coast counterpart, Oliver wall. This is awesome. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I know I am. So as I said in my intro big into Pokka forever. Be joined at the hip, historically, but the flossy peak puff daddy. Sound of these two hit seems specifically east coast to me as a west coaster yourself Oliver and someone who's paying close attention to movements and wrap in the nineties. What was your perception of biggie at this imperial moment. I was thinking about this because I think in the years between ninety four ninety seven really there were no artist, I think no single artists or groups that had an imperial phase beyond the collective the Wu Tang clan because it was such a fervent era, and I'm going to do a deep dive real quick is between ninety ninety four ready to die ninety seven is life after death. These are all artists who had debut major label albums during that time. Besides biggie noise. Outcast method man, the roots Ray, Kwan Alderney bastard, cheesy goes, face, Killa, and Missy Elliott. And this isn't include artists onto their second third or even four thousand deep the Fujii's de LA. So you g k and Scarface all of which is to say. I don't think biggies rise into imperial phase to me ever felt inevitable up until the moment that hypnotized came out. And then of course, is death took it another step. I think what was to me the most intriguing part of that that lead up is that him and puffy I thought made very smart decisions about how to put biggie. Keep him in the mix without over exposing him. So he was on totals. A total song kit. You see junior mafia get money and players anthem. He Cam yet. Geez. Brooklyn's finest. And so he was very well poised coming into hypnotize. And I think I remember most about when that song I hit it just opens you're talking about how he this is the song that biggie leads on that song just opens like a thunderclap and on a side note. It educated a lot of people that her bell. But did more than just whip cream and other delights. And yeah, it was such a mantra single, and sadly, what took things over the top into the imperial phase as you put it was his murder in his death, which I think really sealed everything and made him irresistible and undeniable for that for the rest of ninety seven so did more money more problems, which is posthumous hit to that feel like a categorically different hit to you. Or did it feel like a different side of the same coin? In a weird way. It's kind of weird a safer posthumous hit it felt almost like a victory lab because at that point life after death, especially as double. Album was selling buckets biggie was everywhere in in mass media, even though obviously he was gone, and maybe just because also the topic of MO money more problems. It's about the spoils of success. And so the song it self almost seeps in the fact that like biggie was the biggest story ninety seven for all the wrong reasons. Sadly. Life after death still ranks as one of the biggest selling rap albums of all time. So it's commercial prowess is secure. But what do you think biggies legacy is? And the timeline of hip hop. What is his role in growing rap into the dominant force that it is today. Well, I'm gonna start with a a mildly hot take which is to say that biggie dying at the top of his fame. But having a very small catalogue means that we never had to suffer through him falling off, which I happen to a lot of his contemporaries who who are all vying for greatest of all time rapper status but there late mid late career had mediocre stuff. So you think you're Jay z Eminem. Nauseous, your little, Wayne's, etc. We never had to see that happen to big. I think for that reason those two albums and that ninety seven year really helped to fix his status in that sense to enter a question, though, the thing that I remember most about biggie and to pock is that what took him to the top asides their lyrical. Talent was there were two. The most charismatic rappers that hip hop is ever seen big ticket. And I think biggie was even more than two pock was the consummate crossover artists in terms of being incredibly appealing to mainstream pop listeners without ever losing his reputation amongst the quote, unquote, route fanatics are hardcore hip hop heads. And that it's to such an extent that even twenty two years later anyone vine to be the best rapper live is always going to be within big shadow and chasing this ghost and largely. I think in vain. This is excellent. Thank you so much all of my poetry. Bell school with about a mill is broom. All the old nearing the end of our program. We have one more trivia question. And I'd like to bring up a contestant number nine. Thanks for joining us. What is your name? Ready for question. Number readies. I'm going to be all right. That's the spirit. Which music legend who died and twenty sixteen did not earn pasta number one album, a David Bowie. Be a tribe called Quest's dog. See prince ordeal. George, michael. Tough one. I. Think it's gonna be fife. The correct answer is George, Michael. But thank you very much for participating. Although mind going with something. So this will be our last story, which I will take myself, and I must say it is appropriate that I'm telling this not only at the pop conference, but in this beautiful space that mope calls sky church. That's because three years ago this month. I on the pop con organizers put together a loose lunchtime panel to commemorate all of the music luminaries who were dying that year as an entire generation of baby-boom rock icons ages into their twilight years, the twenty tens in general has been tough for music fans. But twenty sixteen felt particularly cruel with the year barely a quarter over and including a few luminaries who passed in the final month of twenty fifteen we'd already lost everyone from David Bowie to earth wind and fire's MAURICE white to Keith Emerson to Natalie Cole to Glenn fry to stone. Temple pilots, Scott Weiland to motor heads, lemme to Merle haggard to Jefferson airplane's, Paul cantor to a tribe called Quest's fife. So about a dozen pop content dis did our best. Wake the dead with a series of mini eulogies of most of these artists and all of this happened on April seventeenth twenty sixteen that data's important. If the conference that happened just four days later, we'd have had to absorb the devastating body blow of the untimely passing of prince on the charts of twenty sixteen music fans were doing their best to absorb the grief of so many music stars deaths. I already talked earlier tonight about George Michael who's Christmas. Twenty sixteen death prompted a boost in his sales streams airplay, but no one song or album dominated enough to top the charts, especially in the closing days of the holiday season. But the other three artists I mentioned in the trivia question all did top the charts from the great beyond and touchingly all three did. So in ways that were true to their idiom famously in an almost Cobain like fashion, David Bowie prepared his own epitaph with his final studio album black star infused with themes of mortality and some of the spookiest. Most free form material of his long career Bowie's twenty fifth and final disc might rank as the most well-timed well-coordinated swansong in rock history. As if knowing the album was his last will and testament Bowie released it on his sixty ninth birthday, then died two days later on Sunday January tenth twenty sixteen. Tony Visconti Boase longtime collaborator and the producer of black star called it Boase. Parting gift. Black star stormed up the charts debuted at number one on the billboard album chart and knocking out adele's blockbuster twenty five in the process, like his friend John Lennon who in nineteen eighty had a similarly self reflected oddly well-timed new album and stores just in time for his passing Bowie had given the public a new work by which to focus their grief. Unlike linen who had scored several number one albums both solo and with the Beatles. Blackstar was amazingly the first chart topping album of Bowie's long career beating the number three peak of nineteen seventy six station to station the number four peak of nineteen Eighty-three less. Let's dance and the number two peak of the twenty thirteen comeback. The next day Bowie wasn't the only chart topper twenty sixteen to die right before a well-timed elegiac final album, consider fife dog of a tribe called quest. After a nearly two decades. The rap troupe had quietly reformed only half a year before his death. At age forty five after a long fight with diabetes. Fife reportedly didn't believe the sessions that he and his estranged friend and fellow emcee q tip were recording in secret would ever amount to so much as an EP much less than album, but fife recorded enough material in his last months to infuse quests final disc with his signature wit and exceptional flow. The smog of media falls now guys that came up. We not to single the boss is that because this off is feet betting street. Smart people. Some of the things, Danny. About eight vigil owned it talking about before his passing. Help. One my polish caps. We got it from here. Thank you for your service. That title seemed even more apt when the album dropped on November eleventh twenty sixteen three days after the election of Donald Trump as America's forty fifth president one night later a tribe called quest delivered a fiery performance on Saturday Night Live joined by taped rhymes from their deceased brother and a large cloth effigy of fife onstage eight days after that billboard announced that we got it from here had become a tribe called Quest's first number one album in twenty years since one thousand nine hundred six is beats rhymes and life both Bowie and fife went into their final studio albums, knowing at some level. They were not long for this world, it safe to say prince, however, did not operate under a similar mindset, he moved through life as if he'd be here forever. The passing of prince Rogers Nelson was hard for many of us. Maybe the hardest musical loss of two thousand sixteen which is. Saying something in a year when an icon like David Bowie dies on April twenty first when news spread of his accidental Fenton overdose at his paisley park home and recording studio in Chan Hasson, Minnesota radio stations filled with prince music the cello on the otherwise whimsical raspberry beret blaring from my stereo that afternoon had never sounded. So more. He just issued a pair of new albums hit and run phase one and face to the previous fall normally artists newest album is the first to benefit from an untimely passing life. Boeing with his two day old black star or John Lennon's roughly three week old double fantasy at the time of his death. But prince's to hit and runs were not quite immediate enough or commercially potent enough to serve as the locus of fans grief in the days just after his passing instead Americans chose to celebrate prince by consuming. Well, a little of everything prince died on Thursday the last day of Nielsen and billboards tracking week and yet based on that one day of digital sales six prints singles re entered the hot one hundred the following week and that one day of sales gave prince his first number one album in a decade as the compilation the very best of prince topped the billboard two hundred for the first time right behind it was purple rain prince's nine. Nine hundred four magnum opus back in the top ten for the first time since one thousand nine hundred five the next week with another seven days of sales all six of these classic print singles were among the top thirty tracks on the hot one hundred from. Let's go crazy too. Little red, corvette. And on the Elbe chart down five of the talk seven one classic LP's. Nineteen ninety nine actually reached a new all-time peak of number seven two spots higher than it had gotten back in nineteen Eighty-three if beyond say hadn't picked that week to drop her new chart topper lemonade prince would have had five albums out of the top six all of this monstrous chart activity would surely have thrilled prints who was a fierce competitor to his final days. He was also rather notoriously not a fan of streaming or digital music in general, which brings me to the final quirk of prince's posthumous chart rampage the day, he died, very little of his music was on YouTube, and essentially none on Spotify or the apple music streaming service, although his label freed up some of this material on streaming services in the initial weeks after his passing billboard reported that the overwhelming majority of prince's April and may twenty sixteen chart action was driven by old. Fashioned sales. I myself recall going to my local Brooklyn bar the night of April twenty first just hours after prince's death and finding the twenty-something bartenders not playing prince because they couldn't find his music on Spotify. I handed them my iphone, and they connected it behind the bar to play my collection of MP three files. I had ripped from my old compact discs in short in the weeks immediately after his death prince got his fondest wish he was not only commanding the charts. Something he loved to do his whole life. He was compelling hundreds of thousands of Americans to buy music the old fashioned way. Sure. Tower Records and the Virgin Megastore along gone by twenty sixteen maybe some of those print sales were CD's mail ordered on Amazon or even heaven forbid dollar twenty nine MP three downloads. Maybe only a fraction of those sales were brick and mortar retailers a WalMart. Here. A best buy there may be even an urban. Outfitters or a rough trade, but in two thousand sixteen the late prints got a bunch of people who hadn't paid retail for music and very longtime to pay a visit to the record store perhaps. This was prince's final act of posthumous genius. I hope you all enjoyed this episode hip, my enormous, thanks to everyone here at for their hospitality and supported Jason porter. Robert Rutherford, Laura hen Brian EPs, Anthony angle, Laura, Silas Stokes as well. As the entire sleet live in specially faith Smith and person colts, plus a very heartfelt shout out to pop conference organizer. And she calmer of nerves calls Hughes and to show guests adviser and all around relation empowers my fearless. Producers Crispell these queuing up songs all night. Let's hear it more. The managing producer Asli podcast is June. Thomas, our senior producers teacher and Gabriel Roth is editorial director of sleep podcasts shutout their roster shows, sleep dot com slash talk. 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429: Kate Gould and Keith Chapman, RHS Chelsea 2019, Greenfingers Garden

The SodShow

29:45 min | 1 year ago

429: Kate Gould and Keith Chapman, RHS Chelsea 2019, Greenfingers Garden

"Sir peter on you're tuned to an episode of decide show garden podcast before we start this week's episode. Just let you know that the landscape show takes place in battersea park in london the eighteenth under one thousand nine hundred of september two thousand nineteen. I will be speaking there again and as will a voice features on december salt cake gold. If you're coming along to qatar available you've got to do a book and thing but just google lipped landscape show and it will come for you in the meantime. Thanks so much for this senior there and enjoy. It's an episode of such garden. Podcast series series has been my policies brought to you. Thanks to c. D. natural-stone myron levy on the putting your face expanded a mind. That's all say i'm in the the company of keats is on his way. I know embarrass cayenne choppers for some reason we play this bit of an intro jingle. We'll be back to just after hurt this ladies and gentlemen welcome to the garden podcast <music> cheating dirty go between or two ago stunt still okay keep congratulations on chelsea to test on nineteen came up with conversation yesterday sturday over point to kim surprise surprise and singing going on behind me. I don't mind that we were saying that in seventeen nineteen you went up. That's an interview you should go back and listen to in eighteen. You wrote duluth song. He kept it a little bit more on a level bill and then in nineteen you pack up and i was sort of saying this is going to be compared to seventeen in any way because they were being muted and then what kind of get back appear on it's not all that it seems from the insight does that mean i'll see and understand the question well tree gardens over two years. I want to one sort of not requiring cranes as much and then one is back up again but the difference between nineteen and seventeen is colossal when she get inside uh-huh yeah. This is a seventeen was probably more complicated than this well enough to build the keystone racing. He's <hes> yeah. This is bigger. If feels bigger doesn't it i think and it was probably more of a mammoth task. Sorry mama thirty. You're talking. <hes> it's more complex because it's angles was <hes> square is thanksgiving was all square so so same easier in one sense this zongo's congo's and if you change one angle at a rape kushner another angle and just made everything bit more complicated in some ways but yeah slightly slightly bigger plot a moral code plot because of the restrictions on site yeah it's more complex where things would in dot complexity of a build or oven intention that you intended to do but den couldn't do and i think a lot of show gardens. There are people saying well we want to that but we ought to change it to that because we run out of money finishes dot arte stone company in some cases broken only had one a damn so we have to change it to x or sometimes times. It's with trees put in your case heard in coming up in the elevator. Never mind the betsy springing trump leonardo trump lean the in thing that's on the second level that maybe health and safety wasn't your best friend on this one no house today she was upset you find on this one case keith eighth brilliant and all of that so we will only stop working up here safely which is great and wants to lift to say and that was fine because it's great you could use it. More compost implants not not than we ever brought up any other way well. I don't reference to you where you know using a piece of string and a bit of duct tape to hold yourself as support but did did. I hear correctly that you were intended to do. <hes> left <hes> we just couldn't get signed off could win time line and there isn't one that you can buy off official fit so something that needed more time than so of even the few months that we had to get a pre belt signed off. Check on all the safety systems and how we could get it to go and say yeah. We're on the second level. There are trees behind behind me. I saw photographs of these on lift. I've no idea what the amount of paperwork is like to be able to say that the weight of all of those trees will be we supported by what's underneath never mind the dream of getting them absolutely appear to block out part of the marquee which i have to applaud immensely clever or anew could have left it out and nobody would have as such minded but i wouldn't have slept right and i don't think you would have either. I think keep my slept better. It's a lot faster citizen quite browse moments with the trees up here. The paperwork was easier than the trees. The trees were yeah. They are you know lesson learned. They are the furthest the way that they could have been from the front of the garden. You know if i put put those four meters that way it would have been easier so you could go back all right and of course you need the height. You need the scale side. They've got some big. Actually you pick them. It's your full. I'm going to just in the closer by con to sell in this direction like what were the difficulties in peace in the garden together piecing it together that oh it's materials you've got glass steel porcelain all materials that have fractions of mills tolerance in a bills where you've got sixteen nineteen days to do <hes> so fractions of mills <hes> just a slow process. It can make a build a lot longer than you think and data com main complexities. This is just very little tolerance. You took a daydream as sometimes call it. You made it into an equation. We've heard someone reasons. Why does equations are hugely important on you made it look like a daydream again at write a love song but you actually had a boy's own formula to it but you make it sounded like otis redding keith the chorus assure you always do this song for the garden now good song team. There's very good song for the garden. Guinness obviously challenge for me. We'll sing it. You appoint of chin yeah indeed garden is is for green fingers b._b._c. plain dealer group. What year is this in nineteen. Ninety-one great some all right okay talked about making it appear not like an equation because based on what keith has been saying and on basis logic of structural holding ways. You've got all of the factors in it is a green fingers gardening but it certainly does come across not looking like doors on the equation around the very serious. We didn't want it to look like a garden for children who real so that's that's kind of magic. Number is to try and get to that but you know getting it here. Is you lena on paper. It's an easy thing soon. As you hit the show ground you know the equation you cannot in a telephone number and then times it by ten at in the weather and it all all adds up to in to land on your shoulders heavily but we we had a very late night on saturday and the boys could have just gone but they didn't. I'd problem solve the way to produce something which would have been a compromise and by the time i'd gone to get my car and come back. They decided they were going to stay push through and do it properly and that meant another five or six our so the equation can be whatever it wants but unless you've got people like keith and the whole team who absolutely wants to do it to the best of their ability in the time from they have then you're never gonna get anywhere so actually it's the way you get to the end you get to some the finish some is with candy people apple and that's an case just walked away now but he honestly my hat goes off to all of them of spoke is over the last couple of weeks about bet <hes> living in a bit of a bubble <hes> or or if you're offered a seat in a rocket ship on just get on but ultimately the ebola building a show garden whereas you sater's extra six hours required the knock on affect the amount of time that that takes it's not just one man it's monetary units multiplied by by six <hes> if that makes better sense but that can do attitude dot this will be the best. Everybody's on the same same page. Everybody's on the same wavelength haven't right people by your side is important on anybody. Who's gonna turn around and say. I don't feel good. I wanna cry. Wanna listen to sleep. Dion shouldn't well no shouldn't be and you have to get on fundamentally. There will be stressful time so you have to get on and i think the way that happens is everybody takes the mckee. How me not gonna deny not. I'm not going to deny that one on the list for you know being dropped in whole or being you know short jokes short joke good sailor yeah. That's always a coupon upon. There's lots of them you know and then you know fundamentally we all get on. We'll laugh. We'll laugh at each other and with each other and you know if we will all sit down and have lunch together how 'bout he breaks together. Nobody goes off and has a moment y- i mean i have one yesterday but that was for reasons to do with me to do with how it's finished and that's not in any way a reflection on the guys. It's about how i kick myself and i'm never going to kick them. As hard as i kick me tonight. He gets pretty hard. Yeah right in the ribs off of felix stuck in the conversation between me mom and dad's yeah yeah when when neighbours and home and away wasn't that it we're on at the same time and the kids didn't miss sisters to know which to watch of spoke with lou or linda patrols. We've had on the show. I interviewed her on the stock of pilots next to skip in battersea park and on a very serious note for unison a home. You showed let's go back. Find that one listen to it. It puts a lot into context and the big strong irishman we'll turn around and say that i was very strong on that didn't get me in jerry maguire moment at all what i did pause it in between two to catch my breath an in a nutshell. What was a like. I find it difficult now. Even kingdom adot conversation not that was hired et cetera et cetera but in order to get get into it. You sorta have to sit down here to stories on. You have to know where it's going. Who it's gonna represent you do dem just to sue who opt do yourself just a son keith and the team and make the garden look sexy but ultimately at haas to as you rightly said reflect what they want to go for all of the right reasons and all of the very eloquent ones difficult was and deduct. Maybe change at times what you are about to create. I think we wanted to create a garden that was not more than or immortal king or side. This is a garden for families to come together and enjoy the time that they have half as families extended families with their friends with the children who are who <hes> ill who have got older siblings younger siblings not ill and it's about them as as well. It's not just about that child. It's about the circles that radiate off that child so and also it's a chelsea shogun as to appeal to the public as well. It can't just be about one thing it has to. It's multi leveled. If that's not a bad pun on this garden to to appeal to so many people so the brief really wants to create something for green fingers but we took it that it would be for a garden that was going to be pleasing to a lot of people that would be uplifting children could come in of all abilities and use and enjoy enjoy for those who aren't where keep what to green fingers do for those who may be aren't going to go back and listen to that episode lou green fingers build old gardens for children's hospices with light limited so of <hes> life <hes> and so limited tapis and so create spaces for families to actually enjoy time out of actual hospital bad that solve just a short journey and so oh so it gets them out into the fresh air and so of spend quality time together and across the country so <hes> and just ah so give secluded areas for people to enjoy so yeah the last bits of time that they come together and what better widened a garden filled with flowers sense wildlife and there's nothing really better that you could do for how big of a team was involved in piecing houston discipline together it was a coal crew probably about twelve of as and then we talked out about twenty-five and <hes> or working like little work runs on it called in favours left right and center people traveled literally from from wales <hes> <hes> we had people come back down from less share yeah far and wide and chat from northern ireland come over and paul paul martin. He's over ever gave a couple of days to plan yeah so you know to do something on this. Scale takes a huge mammoth effort from a huge you take the team we are done here is it's a special little team sasah kostic team with document for its <hes> yeah today some tonight. They send the long days late. Nights is all about them. Boys early here actually pulled it off. When we spoke about your garden seventeen you spoke about hitting apply notaro's a financial knock on effect to us and <hes> much coach had money down the back of it more so oh you were into a a an an not on of time and i think you spoke to me in depth. Vote did judges and held a understood what you had a shallow i. I can't think of a better term up to the minute book sort of gone true because of what was known to ground. Did you have any daughter was a little bit. I feel a little bit saner a little bit or did you come across that. We found another pipe yeah. This one wasn't quite as problematic but you know there are issues yes with the bill to not with keith or the team but <hes> but yeah they i think i mean i think it's not as finished as it. It should be and so i think tomorrow will be a data swallow pride so i'm not you know that yeah we do this for to the charity and we do this for our own good and i'm not style not in a particularly happy place. I'm going to put one to my while a very good friend of mine long story not with us anymore and pedantic to say the least was an understatement but he put it in the pieces of wood that go down your balanced on the spindle assist. I call them and when you got the very very bottom. The last one was one sixteenth of an inch out from the first post so he took them all up and he started all all over again. No i appreciate bear with me. What he said to me. Was i said what's the story. He said. Look all you notice. I got immediately. Doctor was an incorrectness dare that he would see every time. He walked up the stairs. Nobody else would get when you were a fair to cello calm inaccuracies or things that you suggest you could do to better things done in gardens and maya heads. I'm the only one who sees them night. I'd be really surprised night. Let me give you different wounded and but when we did the the garden in cardiff perennial again h already we the two and a half grand budget. We got our feet buck a one off. My head was saying to the judges. You're off your head junior the half my head was saying we two and a half ground we offer heads ed's quote me was we could not have done anything more. We have two and a half ground. You might have found fault with that. You found that we didn't see but that's your job but we still had two and a half grandera limitations and things that you do when you do it with charities. They're all but we've also put on our hand pocket as well for this because you have to <hes> so i think it wasn't money was on our enemy was it's time and nothing that we could do anything about and that's what goals to to put the guys through this much goes. I'm not being clever here but is being a bit hard on herself team. Even though she's right beside me i mean i don't mean that i mean no i. I don't mean like what i mean to say. Is all you see garden. I've never seen this before and it wasn't part of the bill. There was a part of baking the cake and made me smile. I i haven't found the imperfections that you have seen again like one sixteenth of an inch when when when people well there you go again. I'm sure to churches may seek that but again you take puts you take your time you take you take what is maybe goes standard with a show uh-huh garden when you put all of those at the top of the page but you see the bit starts entirely correct wear icy icy otis redding under ray of sunshine a and you see it behind the scenes of green fingers and they've done and i know where it's going to go an ultimately. I think there are a couple of places you can take your show gardens you aim only for metal which for me is a former garden. You build a swimming pool is john lennon paul mccartney when they wanted to write a new low song and that's exactly what they did or you turn around a new signature heart when when you sing what your heart people can turn around and say well. I don't think you'll have enough. I think you've yeah. I don't think we could just show god like a formulaic show garden together. It doesn't come out of either of us doesn't know anymore. I mean case cases. He might just point the finger at me and say it's all your fault but actually he is equally really is not as i am and will contribute. We all do in the office contribute to the greater scheme. Come up with other things add things in to do other bids but yeah realistically. It's not where i wanted to be. I think it's where keith wants it to be but ninety five percent of it is right but that five percent nickel the pair of us and everybody else we work with forever because everybody's just perfectionist. Everybody only wants the best first thing that could ever do and when you look at it compared to all of us have done over the years it's not quite as polished and that's because each and every person on the team he's a perfectionist and streamline live how they finish things that you want the best for you really really want to outperform perform for them. Okay i'll refer to myself. Insane destroyed don't refer to you and then and then maybe get a molly inaccurate or more singing but again on the two and a half grand bushwick garden undis- episodes about me. I think it's every episode about me. I'm bronwyn as well. You know on our love affair. Ah husband but we it's fictitious love affair. I live in small island off the coast of orlands. We should stay gardens for a minute. I'll tell you about an episode folks home home. We wear critics. I always on my own hardest critic. Even when it's good enough i want to change something and make it better but that's what allows me not to go. Stale is what excites me. When i know that you're gonna come with. I hope i nail this right but i think i have it right after your tur- time onto sideshow but for daydream corporal say it again for a person to be able to translate and make it into a reality unfree to appear could daydream all over again you do that seamlessly but wetter i built the taj mahal and people talk that was amazing and i got fifteen gold medals. I would still find fault with shallow. You have komo self but it allows me not stale. You always have to learn from your mistakes everyday school day. You've got to keep learning. That's what these things. Teach us as well so we i know a lot of things now that we didn't know before so the double basement and the bridge for whenever we again we'll be absolutely fine swimming pool car left. I think the girl that'd be hung me on those two songs for those who haven't seen it. What is a garden that is to toews in the nineteen for green fingers. Describe it to me yeah. It is green especially for me but not finger screen with lots of polls and green and white and yellow multi multi leveled nice trees snapped walkways disabled access and lift. You know something. I never even noticed a disabled access access nice step step free. We're on the upper level and keyword made a suggestion about where we could do interview on the cargo yeah lying on the cargo net and in case about to go on here so we push what you can push. If you want what you want to lie on the cargo interview and all i haven't okay. Let's go. We're lying this is i'm so afraid of heights. It's unreal retail. I'm now back on the upper level of cates garden right into can you go on this sort of changes. Absolutely everything now doesn't come out. You can look at the trees exc nature you might be might be stuck in a room for months and months and months in a hospital room this would change the way you look at the world of leeann my back mccartan garden looking up at the silhouette the trees. I've never done the ground any show ever. Oh fantastic scared of lights. Oh my god that's phenomenal. I'll try and get some kind of a video. The show you but others ultimately party say kids screaming below us smile smile under the bench and on a serious new pieces together when you were dreaming it to jesse picture doing something like this yeah see what's in case uh-huh i just said there was a cargo net and singapore different comb. She says put it all right. Don't order you can hear keep talking. He's just a little bit further away. Are you you able to lay down here as well as mad. Ad what's the weight load on this less than you make. I'm jacky cailleton now. Have you done this a few times. <hes> uh we tested it with the irish contingency i i'm well. I'm well so just to make sure that you know if iran fell. Oh he hit the ground hottest but and yeah i tested we jumped on it. Say a big way the big as well so you know definitely a good size set can take a bit pounded a concierge b._b._c. Who like notice respect lots nineteen eighty one pop tunes lying there on this student interview which you know i think probably you are the person who would come onto a cargo to an interview yeah that was takes another two notre. Absolutely i will accept accompanying speaking another's well more sane than me. Maybe paul martin was on yeah. Pull martin poll five shirts. Martin both came to help plant demonte stand around and point a lot. He was absolutely brilliant and keep those a very good impression of them. I'm not into this on. I'm going to ask you this this question. What's the next step for you because when you do the impossible it just seems a little bit more impossible and i know you run on a little bit on on that. Are i think you try on knowing that you can do things. Other people see as slightly impossible or others might laugh a little bit about oh you again. Seamlessly your credit to pull it off yeah. <hes> i think next k next about what we could actually we do it'd be different and it hasn't been done so you know we need to go and think about what's gonna be the next probably not so easy probably quite insane and you know we we might end up going a different way. See if we can do something totally different in the way but you know you just have to back to the drawer imboden and see what will push the boys because the boys come up with some stupid ideas so you know case the one who makes it pretty and makes it work. We just moved our best build. Wherever she designs well he says stupa my head says oh my god that's up to you mason. We should do that. I would say that i am talked down occasion the unquote quite right. I think i think it would be lovely. Do just a nice nice garden with some trees and bits in it but that's not what comes out of my head it comes a lot of the people said yes very true in my head is there and what some of my mouth is scarier but i think he's i think what we we do. What we we come up with is just the we like building gardens and we like to build gardens to be not just to look at. We want people to come into the garden and say i love being in here and not i like to stand outside and look at it. Will you right assuming pill. Maybe no it don't mean i mean we actually go. Don't do garden that makes you a few quid next night. Chelsea god never made it never made money on chelsea garden so we're not going to do some private work to earn. Some money needed to pay some bills l. so that'd be good. What are you gonna do for the rest of the year rate sleep and some money to allows komen jaro <hes> signed up to do that so case punishment to me. Was you're going to build tosho. Oh show garden myanmar's touche. Thank you climbing onto a september so we do the landscape show and then we get on a plane penzone. Oh yeah reminded you did did t._v. Ting keat i was actually in burnham's has last night. We were watching it on dirty. Play after points of guinness poops close on this monday at ten o'clock over here which is which is entirely saying well unless you live in town mayhem over but you were ronin fandango degrees. I you know i love. I was almost tempted to wear them today very comfortable practical lots of kids. Let's i was just surprised because i sent you to note saying bewitched the jesus that's actually very much thank you. Thanks stay here for yeah. You'd be like a toll two summits back in one thousand. It feels like home ugly need a touch on twitter facebook. Dot com slash show this episode what thanks to <music> c._d. Natural-stone giles et cetera yeah.

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#137: Double-Down On Tenderness

On The Verge

24:41 min | 1 year ago

#137: Double-Down On Tenderness

"Welcome to on the verge. I am your host. Kara Bradley bringing you those weekly blasts of no Oh hype advice essential practices and strategies. So that you can slow down and shift from busy to best from frazzled to flow from chaos to calm about that for some languaging welcome everybody thank you you once again for joining me I. It is always a privilege and an honor to be on the other side of the your ear to be bringing bringing you. What is serving me what I am rolling around in my head? What I'm writing about in my journal? I don't take it lightly. I you feel. It is such a great honor to be able to share and we all have so much to share with one another. We all have have so much life experience that we can draw from an offer to each other. It is not some amazing feat to be able to sit behind a mic and and share this. It just takes a little bit of courage to trust that what I have to say may land with you and if you can have that kind of trust to recognize that what you have experienced and what you have to what you have to say. Ken Land and will land with others. Boy then we can all just be a lot a hell of a lot freer to inspire and motivate and listen and acknowledge one another. So today I bring to you a message about tenderness S.. Recently I was with some friends of ours. Who Live in our same apartment building? Jeff and Steph and we just got together other for some people drink in a hello and Jeff. Who is this wonderful gregarious leader told us about how they they as a couple had been doubling down on tenderness those were his words? We just need to double down on tenderness he said and when he was talking about a recent sermon that he had given. He's not a pastor by profession but he sometimes just gets up to the podium and Speak sees so eloquent and as soon as he said those words we need to double down on tenderness. I looked at him and smiled. I said Oh my God. This is phenomenal. What a great expression especially at this time of year a year? I come to you in right before Christmas. Right before New Year's right before Hanukkah before the The Pinnacle of the holiday season and the rush that we in the speed that we're all on how about if we just double down on tenderness and I said to him then and they are said. That's it's going to be the title of my next podcast. And he smiled because he is a listener. So thank you jeff. And so he he. He gave a fantastic ask sermon in Philadelphia at a church. Talking about the song from Otis Redding you know. Try a little tenderness this habit if we just try tenderness instead of outrage tenderness instead of judgment and so I've they've been sitting with it for the last few days thinking about my own relationship with tenderness and what I can bring to you and so so in thinking about tenderness in defining it for myself I look at it. It has this real visceral feel in my body. Your tenderness isn't something. I feel in my head in my mind. It's something I feel below the neck and any time we can go below the neck and start to connect in with with our body our heart our even our throat area. You know you'RE GONNA get down into some truth and so for me tenderness. Tenderness feels like a light touch. It feels like a soft voice which is why my voice is a little bit softer today. Because in this isn't necessarily a motivational episode. It is a more of an uncovering an unfolding so just naturally our voices will get softer slower. It slower movement tenderness feels feels to me like moving more slowly were deliberate action and also space more spacious so a lighter touch a softer voice slower movement and more space. That's just what tenderness feels like for me. How about you did you ever think about it? So one thing that has changed my life one youtube video. Actually actually it's kind of a corny and Definitely very raw an unproductive St- video uh-huh which oftentimes are the best ones out. There is a video called glasses of empathy. And I'M GONNA put it in the show notes outs and I encourage you to take the time. Look just look at the details in if you're on the PODCAST APP or whatever APP you're on we're on my website and look at this five minute video and the base of this video. The crux of it is that a guy is speeding. Through life he is exhausted and tired and cranky and has an judges everybody everybody that crosses his path whether it be somebody who takes his parking spot or somebody that takes too long in the line in front of him ordering coffee he judges and you could hear his winus right. We all do it. And then he gets he he's given in this flash of You know magical fantasy. He's given these glasses. These sunglasses and he puts on sunglasses sunglasses and all of a sudden he is now seeing in front of everybody that is crossing his path a little label the little post it note with what they are suffering with in that moment so he looks at the woman that is in line for her coffee and he. She is grieving for the loss of her friend and he looks at another guy who is suffering from addiction and it goes on and on and boy. Oh boy did that. Change my life because everyone that we meet. Every one that crosses our path is dealing with something. GRIEF LOSS OSS health issue a financial issue a addiction or mental health issue or or some kind of major Tragedy or struggle. Life is suffering. You said the Buddha were life is suffering. We are all suffering through this Cumin TAT humid full catastrophe as Nietzsche said so when we can just pause for a moment in. This isn't a downer. This is actually really. It opens our heart to offer more tenderness to double down on tenderness. So take a look at this video and then notice as you're speeding through life as you're meeting people in stores greeting coworkers. Take a moment to notice you. Can't you may not know what they're dealing with. And that's really not ours to know but just notice the connection action that you may feel towards them when you recognize that they are going through something right now so I took some time. Hi Time to think about if you looked at me. If you saw me on the road or in a store or somewhere in life what an you were able to read the post it note on me. What might you see in any given moment that I was suffering with that I was going through so one for sure? You're you may see that. I am grieving. The loss of my father. There is not one one day that goes by that. I don't have a moment a little tear little heart swell little grief so any given moment I could be standing in line at starbucks and you don't even know at song came on and that wave of grief came over me and there aren't many of us out there who haven't been touched by loss so at any given moment somebody is grieving living and if we just know that and notice that it opens our hearts to offer some tenderness talk offer them some gratitude. Some love it. I'm GonNa give you some suggestions on how to do that. Another post it. No you may see as my worry as a mother for my daughter's especially my my younger daughter who is in such transition fission right now in her life and is in such struggle so you may see that worrying about her youngest daughter you you may see that I am thinking about my mom alone at night. Just you know that low level worry. She's okay who who this is hard. You may see that. I'm just flabbergasted and exhausted from working a lot what from running several businesses for managing people from dealing with customers from being concerned about elevated avid and heightening competition. All around me. You may see that. At any given moment I feel inadequate as speaker. I feel like I filled with doubt that I have the capacity to really be able to present on a large stage to be able to really touch people on mass. You may see a post it. Note that I've just been rejected from from yet another proposal that I've put out there yet another Reach out to a prospect for a speaking speaking gig or an opportunity to train an organization. And finally you may see at any given time time that I am heartbroken for the suffering of of loved ones of people in my life that are going through tough times so that was a lot to share. Hope it wasn't over sharing you know from the outside. It could look like Oh you know cares. Got It altogether. She got the POD cash book. She has businesses speaking but I carry my own suffering so any one of US big small public private rich poor does not matter. We are carrying around heart filled filled with suffering angst. And worry so when we can recognize that boy boy does that. Stop us in our tracks just like that. That glasses of empathy film that stopped me in my tracks and I've not forgotten it five years now and this is how we double down on tenderness. This is how we offer tenderness S. two others Mr Rogers Mister Fred Rogers boy. What a incredible human being? He was in still lives on. He says that three ways to ultimate success number one is to be kind. Number two is to be kind number three is to be kind can we. You be kind to ourselves and others. Can we offer a little bit more tenderness to ourselves and others. So this week I posted another many when practice of a Meta practice loving kindness practice. Where you repeat phrases to yourself? May I feel safe. May I be happy me. I have peace. May I be at. He's and also had offer that to others to not not only loved ones but also to those that you are just acquaintances with to offer it to people that you don't like very much are holding adding a grudge against and also to all beings. This is how we generate this kindness. This this attitude of of tenderness in our being and I'm GonNa tell you what this isn't just a bunch of words because when we do this and we do it daily and we do it often we generate we are generating feel feel good neurotransmitters in our body we are changing our neuro physiology. So this isn't just about a bunch of words. This this is about changing our system our operating system from feeling lack and unworthy to offering offering up what we can that that gratitude and kindness to ourselves and others and you could even hear it in my voice it already just changed me so coppola ways that we can double down on tenderness. One is one of of my absolute favorite practices. And I've talked about it before. I learned it from my meditation teacher. Scott McBride of clear light meditation and it is this very sweet saying to yourself their their sweetheart. They're they're sweetheart just like your grandmother would pat your back if you're lucky enough to have that or someone else. That unconditional love loving person in your life life to just give you that little kind support you can put your hand on your heart and see their sweetheart. They're they're now when you do that to yourself when you are feeling anxious or you've done something silly or stupid said something or drop up something or left something behind. Whatever it is that you've done and you offer yourself that tender saying they're they're sweetheart? It changes things it really does it. Is this loving kindness. The self compassion that can Shift your state right from busy to best from chaos to calm. You can also offer their their sweetheart to others. How about that? Somebody cuts you off off. I was driving at the The Mall Yesterday O. M. G. Right I dropped a friend off and it was chaos. It was literal chaos cars cutting off cars pulling out a spots people not even looking. I was just thinking this is this is freaking chaos right now and it's in those moments. I didn't think it at the time because I didn't have the I wasn't in the right state of mind but we can just think they're they're sweetheart. They're they're slowdown slowdown sweetheart instead of getting your stress levels up in cursing or honking your horn you can say they're they're sweetheart. Come pay attention so that's one one way another way. Is this Meta practice that I that I offered in In the last episode one thirty sex called be kind is just this practice of offering offering yourself and others this loving kindness through the reminders through these phrases so when somebody is in a hurry in front of you or somebody is gruff with you. You can simply think in your mind you you be happy. Be You have peace. You have peace and doing that. It sends out this love and compassion. They say that there's It's been said that and I'm not sure if the Buddha said this or it was said that he offered this teaching. Perhaps when when somebody throws dort sake you ate your heart allow the Dr to touch your heart and and send it back out with flowers. I tso in your feeling like you've been wronged or somebody's wrong to we're we're just giving you bad energy. Turn that around and send it back out with loving kindness compassion and flowers flowers. And so you can say in your mind's eye me you be happy. Wow may you be happy you know may you. You have peace. May you be free from suffering and this is how we double down on tenderness and then the last one is heavy one. It's a big league one not heavy. I would say it's a big one. It's powerful and it's called tongue. Len Tomlin is a practice. It's it depends a Tibetan Buddhist practice that awakens compassion within you. It's IT awakens that that tender. They're loving kindness within you and for me. It's been huge. I've been practicing Tong. Land for years and it softens as PEM show Dron says and I'm going put some stuff in the show notes Hemmer Shoujun says it softens the armor around your heart. How about that? I think we could all use that softens the armor around your heart and the basis of tongue land is that that you are going to breathe in someone suffering and you may not need to know it all. You don't need to have exactly what they're suffering with but you breathe in someone's pain and you breathe out spacious nece love and in relief from that suffering you breathe in someone's grief and you breathe out someone's joy and happiness a friend of mine a dear friend of mine who lost her son tragically last. You're who I think about constantly. She said you know the only thing that worries her is that she's never gonNa feel the joy in her heart that she has felt before her son died. That is heavy so if I could breathe out some joy for her and she will feel it I just trust that she will. Then it makes me feel like I can contribute something to this this huge loss in her life I breathe in her grief which is hard to do. Let me tell you it's every parent's nightmare and I breathe out that joy that she so hopes she can feel again tongue. Len is away and we can do it on the spot. We can do it when we know someone is suffering and we can just breathe in an in. It's hard because we are taking on their suffering and breathe Out Our sense of peace and joy and happiness and relief that we experience. So I'm GonNa put it practice. Use a short practise in the show notes with PEM show Dron. She is really a master of Tomlin in our lifetime. And I I I dare say dare you to do this especially around the holidays. It's a life changer. So this doubling down on tenderness as my friend Jeff said and as Otis Redding said all you've got to all you got to do is try via little tenderness. May We have the courage to do this me. We have the courage to step outside ourselves. Dell's to offer ourselves some compassion some kindness. May We step outside our own in suffering to offer it to others and let me tell you if we all just tried a little bit more tenderness I can guarantee our world would be happier and brighter and lighter so with that I thank you you thank you for listening all the way through. This is a long one for me all the way through to the end and as always I I look forward to engaging with you. Listen I've got a bunch of these practices in my book on the verge. I have a whole chapter on kind on these kindness practices. I also have a bunch of these practices on my website so check it out care. Bradley Dot Net. If I could say it that'd be great care. Bradley Dot Net and join me on social media. I would love to engage with you there. I am doing more and more Out there on mental fitness. Everyone talking more and more about how to train your body your brain and your bio dome your microbiome. Am for mental fitness in two thousand and twenty. So I will. I'm going to put a recording of a Webinar. I just did in the show notes. Check that Out as well if you WANNA tune into what I am doing. Thank you all for listening. Have a fantastic tender day. Be Well uh-huh.

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No Filler: Fleet Foxes - Shore

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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No Filler: Fleet Foxes - Shore

"WHO's in their vote amount? Of Water election days. Now. Biggest Swain here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology don are you registered to vote? I know I am. Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Top date or check your voter registration status go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election day. At Headcount Dot Org, you can also check your registration status because I don't know if you know this but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October fourth. So you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head count dot. Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Ya. Brain from new. Star. And welcome back to know filler. The music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gems that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is Travis. I got my brother Quinton with me as always. And we are done with our John Hughes tins batch of episodes. Where we went through the through the eighties with with John Hughes Cue. We talked about all the music from his iconic films And by all I mean for we picked for we did. Sixteen candles we did. What else woody Weird. Science and we were like in my mind I'm like breakfast club. But now we didn't do breakfast club. We did six candles, weird science. Pretty in pink I got you brother in I release day off. I've slept since then. So. Yeah, we did those four. Films and yeah, it was just a great way to Just play a bunch of random eighties mostly. De Wave and post punk bands because that seemed to be his jam. But yeah. What we learned most about John Hughes was that this guy was obsessed with music which why it was such an integral part of the stories that he was telling and like we said last week like with sixteen candles like he was. Like the backbone of the film you know like they went to. Live shows or by there was a bar with live music in the background that the characters are be at she worked at a record store the scene with duckie. Lip synching to Otis redding music I mean and then he jumped to the next film Ferris Buehler's they often you got the whole parade scene with twins shout know what I mean like. It was part of who he was and what made us movie. So amazing, right. So yeah, it was a great way to cover a lot of obscure. Mostly new wave eighty stuff mean we must to play like. I don't know twenty, four, twenty, five songs. Yeah. Totally last not as many artists because we usually do about a Tucson. Tucson artists but yeah, that's It was fun but. As we as we teased last week, we are back to our normal format and by normal I, mean. There is no theme for the next. For the foreseeable future? Yes. So by normal, what you, what you mean is when people listen to our little intro that we say at the beginning of every episode is finally GonNa make sense again. That's true because well, yeah, I mean basically we've had a few back to back Themed batches of pods like we did back to school was a batch of episodes we did where we talked about bands that we listened to in like Middle School High School and then we did dad tunes is music that we heard from our dad when we were up and they did Houston's, which is what we just talked about. So now we are back to the more the more normal. No filler formula which just. Picking album any album basically talk about. Some non singles on that record, and then do a sidetrack episode the following week that is somehow related to the fooling episode that we just did usually to shorter episode you know a lot of times it'll be like a side project of that band or something like that, and that's usually shorter episode. That's like one one track your. Sunni way we're back I'm excited excited to be back because we can go anywhere and talk about any band and the album, which is great. The Sky's the limit France guys limit. So we decided to do, which is actually a I. I think for no filler is talk about a new record, a brand new record. As in came out. What like nine even a month ago right? Yeah. Came Out September twenty second dude. So on on the the morning of the Autumn Equinox Ego. So we're talking about. Our one of our favorite bands, fleet foxes and their brand new record shore as q just said, came out not even a month ago. So Yeah. This is just one of those things that seem to have come out of nowhere and it was such A. Like a surprise and like A. Pick me up you know for for this year. The best way to describe it is is just a breath of fresh air dude like it's just when like when you listen to it, it envelopes you. And yet, there is something about fleet foxes that. For me just go hand in hand with fall. Yeah Yes. you know it's it's the it's the full key. Yeah. John Laura, you know and they definitely like took that. I feel like they were part of the reason why we have Mumford and sons I feel like they're partly to blame for that because they were so. Successful in the early Os. Yes this. Like he kinda hinted at there. There are so many bands like this. There are a dime a dozen back in the early two thousands or maybe it was the late early twenty tens where the NFL key folk pop stuff was everywhere and fleet foxes has always stood out to me. Mainly because the Robin lead singer just yet his songwriting ability. The way that he really bears a soul in these lyrics you know and he's a very vulnerable person and like. He talks about things that are very relevant to our generation, which is always connected with his lyrics. If you want to go back and listen to after this episode, you should go back and listen to our. Our episode on Helplessness Blues. Band that was that was a long time ago. Let me see if I can find the date that that came out but yeah, you'll have to screw pretty pretty far back in our fee to find it. But we we talked about their second record and that was a great episode. Yeah now, that was historically my favorite fleet foxes album but. Already quickly becoming my favorite of there's been. Yeah. It's good. There's something different about it. This episode that we did on helplessness blues came out in August of two thousand eighteen. So over two years ago, Q. As we talked about this record, not this record. Sorry Helplessness Blues Anyway Yeah. So here's the thing about Fox's right they had sort of a hiatus, right? So they came out with Helplessness Blues in twenty eleven and then there was this this moment this This hiatus where Robin? Cana. Seemed like he was going back to school or something like that he was trying to get his degree yet he went back to college. And then they released crackup six years later. Well, we we should also mention that during that during that hiatus the Drummer Tillman as in Josh Tillman he went off and became Father John. Misty that's right. So if you're familiar with Father John Misty, he was the drummer fleet foxes and Yeah. So and then you said crackup came out in twenty, sixteen, twenty seventeen. So I wanNA talk to you a little bit about crab travel. So. That is. A really like. I Dunno I it's it's a really complex album. and. It's Kinda Avant Garde and it's really I mean. pretentious I. Don't know I feel like a lot of people probably. Lost it at crackup. And like all the articles around it like he couldn't escape. Words like Ivy League Pedigree and Oh pack not went off to college and I it comes out and releases artsy fartsy album. I mean depending on like. Are you probably think that flew? Fox's have always been artsy fartsy. But there are moments on crackup that are really special. You know. W. Listen to the whole thing to appreciate it. But there I mean when they came out with the single, the first single third of May I. Love that song man that me too. There are things that happened in the song that that You know the first time you hear the kind of take you by surprise you know. That they come back into verse of that, and there's stuff like that throughout the the whole record and there are. Yeah I. Hear you're saying but there are you have to maybe you have to look a little bit harder to define the greatness in it. You know compared to helplessness blues, which is like a masterpiece, right? Oh? Yeah. Yeah and and yeah, it seems like You with with negative reviews from crackup and with being such a perfectionist. You know it's nice that he came back. With. Shore and and it's just it just feels like it's more collaborative. You know feels like he's he's evolving that. indie folk. Sound. But it's still very much fleet foxes. But there's like elements of I. Mean There's there's a female vocal artists that shows up on year there's like A. Quarrel pieces in a few of the songs I feel like there's way more. textures. Wind. Instruments yeah. Really really pretty, album. When you go back and listen to their. Their Their son giant EP that came out in two thousand eight. Like I still love a lot of that stuff. But. We listen to stuff on shore. It really is crazy how how much they have evolved they really Kinda. It's like growing up with kind of thing where you kinda. Peck nodes. Ability, his songwriting his style, it's matured and whatnot. It's still the same but like it has evolved to to to such A. Like you said more like textured in like sophisticated kind of sound you know and another thing. I. Really like noticed about it that I really loved. And we'll stop talking like a second. Let's I want to jump right into a song really pretty soon here. But I liked most the songs were three or four minutes long. They were really short. It's true do. I guess a lot more poppy in a way. That's a good point. Pop songs are usually a lot more shorter. Helplessness. Blues has an eight minute track on it in crackup has like. So yeah. It's a good point you. It's very digestible. Still. You got like fifteen songs on your. It's a good record. A good solid length record length is that award linked? It is now did links Yeah. So yeah the one thing before we jump into our first pick, I want a couple things that I read that I thought was really really cool. So for one, you know there was headlines that said like things along the lines of like did the surprise album or whatever apparently pedals still has a few semesters to go to complete his degree. But Columbia University canceled their in person classes but maintained the thirty thousand dollars per semester to tuition. So basically rob was just like I I don't want to pay all this money. To Go to college. He said like, yeah, you know to have college through I'm not paying thirty dollars thirty thousand dollars a semester for that. Sure. So he had and then you know they they weren't touring either. So. They there he was able to to to continue on with recording and release this album because no, touring no school So they he kinda got to decide how he wanted to release it. And Yes. He picked he picked a just a surprise drop on. The Autumn Equinox September twenty second. Yeah. So this is another example of a piece of art that. Well. It's not that it wouldn't exist. We wouldn't have it right now if it wasn't, for Cova, what his plan was to to kind of tease out some singles throughout the summer. And then and then still release it in September but it was it would have been a totally different approach. So we would we would have heard songs spaced out I. Don't think it would have felt so special if they went that route, you know it did make it special because like like you said it's record or so. A breath of fresh air that like having it. this year is. Is what made it even more special you know yeah, and it's a it's an album that needs to be. Appreciated experienced as a whole the ASO. If think about if we if he would have heard a single six months ago, five months ago, it would have been totally different the I agree with you honor presented. All right. Let's jump into some teens here Q. so really gonNA play two tracks. We don't we don't want to spoil the record. Yeah. You know we want you to listen to it. On Your own time. Yes. Oh All right Q. R I track. If I'm not mistaken. And, of course, we had to pick one that's hard to pronounce. May Strata who see let me see if Google can help here is this even a word did? Not even it's not even a work human him in his Ivy League pedigree you know now this is a word Maestranza. It's GonNa be me does he say it in the in the in the song? Let's see. We're going here. By say, it's not a word. It is a Spanish word. Let me see if I can get them to see if I can get the FO dot com to spill out here. Own Nice. That's a nice Maestranza. All right. So this is a might strumza. You. saw. Small. The Sad. Know. In The oil. Sir. Is the same. Long. So, there it is. Man His his vocals. Just. Give me, everytime Especially, the way that he starts the song, it starts with a very strong like Vogel. Entrance right, which is great Yeah and and you know like I. Don't I don't know the lyrics off the top of my head but the thing that always like confuses me as. How harsh he is on himself with his lyrics in how critical he has I mean, it makes sense. You know it's the the stereotype you know that all artists are. Like their worst their own worst enemy you know. Yeah. But what a read here is that. around the defense. He had the majority of this album conceptualized. and. He already had. The. Contributions from other artists that are featured on this album recorded. But he was nowhere near ready like he he wasn't. Happy with the lyrics city had in mind for the songs. So he would write all these lyrics and just discard them. So then he quarantines in his Greenwich Village apartment of course he lives in. Greenwich Village. After the stay at home or where he belongs man yeah. It says here that he participated in the protests George Floyd protests in New York City. So he had like all this this just free time that he he wouldn't have had of if the quarantines didn't happen, and then he says here in June, he began taking day-long drives in his Toyota four runner from his apartment in New York up to Lake Minnewanka and the catskill mountains. and. He would write lyrics like pin them down on paper while he was driving up to the mountains. That's where the majority of the songs fifteen songs came from. Dude was was the day long drives up into the mountains. If that dude how? Fleet foxes as that man, you know like how on brand is that with paneled and like you know just the whole vibe that you get when you listen to a flu passes album. Love it everything you just said about him is like. Of course that's what that's how he lives. You know. This, one of the studios that he that this recorded in at electric lady studios is in Greenwich. Village. So that's cool. He's you know in the same villages, the studio so I I read here. There's some lyric breakdowns from Robin. that. that are found on apple music. He said that Musically. I think for a while it had something in it that had a disco or roller skating kind of energy that I was trying to find a way out of, and then we found this other Palette of instruments felt blessed that way. I was trying to go for a bill withers e thing. Nice. I feel like a lot of the people that get mentioned in Sun. Blind yes there residents is there influencing throughout the record? Yes. Some blends really cool dude because he is naming off all of his musical hero. Okay. He names mostly mostly by their last name, but he does he name weather's yeah he names. Richard Swift Bill withers John Wayne Elliott Smith Arthur Russell. Judy Still David Berman Nick Drake Rating Jeff Buckley Curtis Mayfield and Jimi. Hendrix nice all those names are in the song. That's great. I like Nick Drake makes an appearance Hell Yeah Dude and Arthur Russell Dude we covered we covered our Russell and like I think it was one of my watch it hurts I can I. Don't know the first or second episode while we did know Soda. Nick Drake to we had a our. Friend Larry Low Llodra joined us that was a great episode. So you got lots of homework here people go back and listen to all of these great episodes of we've done in the fucking two plus years we've been doing this. Yeah. So anyway, that's that's another thing that I love about this album I it is very collaborative as well. the intro song that we picked was. The only single so far released and that is can I believe you and you know that kind of course at the beginning? That is actually a composite of. Roughly four to five hundred recordings from instagram followers. Amazing. So that's a chorus of Fleet Foxes Fan, Oh, my God that's so great i. I didn't know that and that makes me so happy that is now that's the kind of stuff that you. Sure. You can do without without. The pandemic happening but I feel like that makes it even more special were all. Of You know not not fully you know barred into our homes people plenty of people are living the best life that they can leaving and stuff like that but being being safe, right? Yeah. But for the most part we are in indoors in our homes and it's how cool is that the for those people that got to do that that they? Were able to contribute to a fleet foxes track from their homes. I mean, that's amazing. You know that's Kinda like the the collective mindset that we've all had in the over the last seven months just. Finding ways to still be able to connect you know and it's just awesome. They were able to do that online while he talks about that here. Let me just wrap wrap up our our review the song here with this he says here, the third verse it's about missing your friends, missing your people but knowing that since we're all going through the same thing that we're kind of connected through that in a way that's really special and kind of unique to this period I, feel more distant from people but also closer in terms of my actual daily experience. So they that is kind of one thing that's really interesting about this pandemic is. Globally, there's an experience that we're all sharing right? Right and I guess that's kind of what he's talking about here and another thing to like when I was reading like await he had the majority of the the concept of this album done back in February. I was trying to you know figure it out because I'm like man these lyrics sound so like topical but yeah. So then then it makes more sense like okay. So he actually wrote all of this in the span of three to four weeks in June of. So all this it was right in the thick of this if it wasn't for Covid nineteen. We wouldn't have this album. The way it is. Yeah. We wouldn't have the lyrics yet. You're a wouldn't be the same in all interesting dude and he may have trashed it entirely. Yeah. Think about the entire shift in mindset and like everything that happened dude we we might not. He May. He may have trashed it completely Yemen. Well, let's let's do another song here you. Yes. But before we do that, let's take a quick break. This one we both agreed upon I listen upon I listen as twins often do we agreed on what our favorite track was this is. Hands Down my favorite on the record yet, and this song. This song is an example of. The. Type of song that only Robin pedaled in fleet foxes can produce I feel like this is a quintessential fleet foxes sound and like feeling right in like goose bump inducing. Yeah and the lyrics is wellman. He's always been. You know emotions down on paper vulnerable. Staring death in the face kind of poet. He's always he's always existential about that and this this the lyrics in this song just really gave me dude yeah definitely and this is two songs in a way. Yeah, and this is something that we I mean our favorite. Is Probably, your favorite to but my my favorite Song on Helplessness Blues we actually played on that episode is the shrine slash argument, which is also you know to they do that all the time I mean this is kind of yeah it you know crackup same thing. There's a couple of tracks to do that. He has these movements in his songs, right? So this is an example of that. So this song is called quiet air slash Delia I say. The two that's not a great man like But yeah. So we're going to split this up into two clips but here you. Do. Why Now Though. The. Clowns. On adding. John. Jay. And the AD. Council. The A. I love the just almost like a March I don't know just Kinda like rumbles ahead. So there's two different drummers credited on this track, which is interesting Joshua yeager and Christopher bear both are credited as drum kit and percussion for this track. So lots of lots of drums going on lots of percussion But I'm trying to find the guitar player because I love that guitar. The transition between the chorus the verse maybe it spectacle maybe. But yeah, it's it's Kinda hard to to me to get a fool personnel list on this record but there's quite a bit listed out for a lot of different tracks on the wikipedia page at least. Yeah. But it's possible. The Robin Robin. Did everything that's not explicitly listed. So that's what I was thinking. Yeah that's possible but I know what's great about that guitar they kind of reminded me of. Their very first. EP like. I'm talking before Sun giant you remember some of that stuff. Oh Yeah. forgot what was the name of the hot hot raise that's on. Yeah. Did where it was more a little bit more of that kind of Brit pop kind of Guitar Jangly Kinda stuff. Yeah. But yeah, like you were saying earlier the the words, the his vocals are. So I'm GonNa say the Word Haunting Q. 'cause. I like us who are haunting. Yeah. We describe vibe. It's it's. Just it's very reflective. He's always just kind of it seems like he's just soaking in whatever environment that surrounding him and he just described it. So beautifully did well, here's what he has to say about the song. He says, the cords had this kind of expectant feel or something like an ominous quality. That's a good one. I'm going to steal that. Ominous again. Haunting sometime take total ominous quality that's never really resolving, and I think that kind of led me to want to write about imagining someone speaking to somebody who is courting danger. Yeah. The lyrics in the song come from talking to a friend of mine who is a climate scientist and just her perspective on how screwed we are or aren't home and just thinking about that whole issue hinges on particular matter in air. That is invisible. Interesting quiet air did. Quiet Air might terrify you. Honest quiet now though soon, enough louder Wolf. Come on come on with it. So. So ominous. All right let's play the second half dude and yes, this parts gets me man this I think this is the climax of the record did not gotten your bad again. All. Right. So I guess we could say this is Galea by fleet foxes. Throw. Talk. You've got. You've been. you've been peddled Q.. So he says here The ending is this more ecstatic thing. Just imagining some weird pagan dance like rite of spring or something where it just kind of builds into this weird kind of joy like dancing while the world burns. They go yeah. Those Dude I love the the back and forth chorus there you know the. L. Devil walked by I never want to die. That is on brand. For Pacman, I feel like you could put double walk by into any of those poppy folk songs from the twenty tens and got yourself a a hit I mean talking about like of monsters and men or whatever the hell those guys are goal. Which is ironic because I love food boxes when he desert like he's a certified genius. But anyway. Yeah. So what do that line feeling a cold unfolding hand on me? I'm Jay talking like grim reaper here. So basically what he's saying is like essentially like accepting the fate of the planet in a way just dancing while the world burns thing. Yeah, and that's that's another thing too about about the. you know the circumstances that we find ourselves in in thousand twenty. You know that was the thing that said about wanting to collaborate with as many. People that he could because he says I didn't know what was going to happen in the future. So I asked everyone that I had always admired because I don't know if I'll get a chance to again go all out because who knows what the future holds. Yeah. That's that's cool and We're not gonNA play this song but some stuff that I learned about this record that I thought was really cool. was like three tracks later. Cradling mother cradling woman. He sort of samples in a count in from Brian Wilson, Aka the beach boys. In it's in the track that the the. Record has a lot of these Ostriches and Hat tips to. To his influences, right like you were talking about the the song way just explicitly deems amount. With. Sunshine. Yeah. And also with another song young man's game kind of a tribute to John Cryan, yeah yeah and as far as like really cool collaborations he also featured. So you know the very first voice that you hear on the record is a woman. Her name is God. Wadi Act here. She is a fellow Columbia. Student. Who caught panel's attention with an instagram video where she covers Mykonos love it. So he just reached out to her and said, Hey, you wanna you WANNA. Sing on my next album. So that's this is another thing that I love man because I feel like the best days of. nolde songs ahead. Of Us. You know like I don't know I I, kind of felt he was more of a control freak Kinda like my way or the highway kind of person with fleet foxes songs just because from what I've read about him you know he he is a. perfectionist and you know because he is so harsh on himself i. just kind of assumed that maybe he was earlier on but this to me just shows that that. We're just GONNA have more and more of these really great collaborations. Even. If fleet foxes dissolves and we just have rob Robin paneled. As a solo musician, you know later on in life you know I feel like he's just going to continue to just pull in people that influenced even if it's just some random person on instagram and collaborate with him I think it's so cool. Yeah. I think the thing that I've always gotten from pedal and the music makes is like he is just an artist and a musician like to his core. Which is why to your point like I think we're going to have. New. Tunes to enjoy. For a very long time whether or not that's in the form of fleet foxes or just him by himself like this is what he does. You know. I've got one more quote here Q. This is how we can wrap this up beautifully here. He says, I wanted the album to exist in a limited space outside of time in having both the future and the past. Accessing something spiritual or personal that is untouchable by whatever the state of the world may be at a given moment whatever our season Nice. That's great. Beautiful So yeah, this is. Kind of like we were saying earlier this is such a this record just feels like it is a a gift to humanity. You know and that could sound ridiculous people that just don't like this music you know. Thank. You know big deal. What's the? What's all the fuss about here? Dude we were. So we were giddy like you know children on Christmas morning when when this album head, what we had to wait you know six years to for the last one. So yeah just don't know when new flee Fox's music is going to drop because of the last gap that we had him between their records. So the fact that we you know I think if we were paying attention, we probably would have heard rumors about new material or something like that. I personally had been just completely. Disconnected from any updates from them so I didn't have any clue that new music was written. It was recorded. So yeah it really was out of the blue for me and it was like wait. This is actually because you know sometimes spotify will. have two different artists if they have the same name will be on there and I'm like is this really Fox's album and then you play on the first track and it's not him singing and you're like, is this really what we're and then you get to the next one there's his unmistakable angelic voice know Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So yeah, it was great like we're saying earlier, we highly recommend as we typically do. That you spend some time with this record. It's GonNa take an hour to listen to the whole thing, but it is a journey that you should take with. and all the other musicians showed up on the record. That's kind of what's great about it super collaborative. The there's gotTA BE A. More definitive lester maybe this is the definitive list. But if you look at Wikipedia, there are ten plus artists on this record So he collaborated with lot of studio musicians. People from instagram. Apparently, you know fellow hundreds of from instagram. Yeah. Amazing. So anyway, Yeah. I think that was that was it. that. Was Our look at Flea Fox's brand new record shore. Hot off the presses. Not even a month ago. So go check that out and Yeah. Oh, we're going to do. We're GONNA DO A. Sidetrack. It's probably kind of obscure but if you're a fantasy Fox's, you may be familiar with a group. I don't think they're around anymore. But they are called poor moon and it is comprised of a couple of former fleet foxes like I. Don't know if they're still in the group. But it is composed of a couple of guys that used to be in Fox's as a side project of theirs. That'll be sidetracked. Next week group called Poor Moon. But queuing, we got something to do. Here we do. We got our we got our weekly segment. Called what you heard and I know that you typically have doozy's don't. Oh. I got one for you men. Lined up ready to go why don't you go first? You're always just going on the fly Now I've got one I just have to remember what it was. All right. So the sky is named Jesse Raphael and he's In a few different bands, but he's just started releasing some solo stuff. Have you heard of a band called kisses? No spelled like you think it's spelled you. Yep Yep it's a new wave pop rock duo new from Los Angeles key. We've been talking about new wave with our. Our Farris I mean are Houston's Hughes till you're saying the new wave is still happening is everything I am saying but here's the deal I heard a new single from this guy going to say it's not really new dude, but it's really great. It's it's just a happy sounding tune. You know it's something that we need right now in these trying times the. So this song, he really just a couple of weeks back. The song is called North. Side. Two. added. See Again. A New. Soledad. A Yeah I really liked that I can't place my finger on who that reminds me but they reminds me of a particular song just can't but something about his voice and like Giambi was really cool. electric beat there. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. He says here this song is a love letter to a time when music was brand new and limitless in my mind. So north. Side. Is About this neighborhood? Did he grew up in said as a kid my brother and I would walk from our high school to Barnes and noble and spend hours reading? Q. In e Mojo and all the other British music magazines our favorite is basis and we just wanted to be the gallaghers. This song also nods to the smashing pumpkins and primal scream and polaris. There it is why who I also deeply connected with at the time I love it. So you must be around our age men yet. We need to do an episode on Polaris likely been talking about. Awesome. Yeah. Really good ten so and you said that's a that's a brand new track. Right came out a couple of weeks ago. So they will be more coming from from this guy down the pipes here down the pipes I'm ANSA. What you've been heard lately brother this is going to be an episode filled with. New Music you or at least music that came out twenty twenty. Awesome. This isn't as fresh as shore and track you just played but. The did come out in. January. January thirty first. But Anyway, this is a guy I've actually been I've been listening to emperor a long time. And you know I find I find that it's my duty to play electronic music as often as I can nothing about electric music from me for a couple of weeks. Now it's stor. So this guy, his name is pros well as an. Roswell but with a P. in front. Prize well and. I would describe him as Idee IBM. and. Get ready for Q.. I'm ready. Hitting But more hip. Gab. Electronic so you know. It's not like come true's or Tyco it's more like I would save video game inspired if you will. Thank but. But. Anyway. We're just going to listen to it because it's hard to describe. The sound without just just listening to it. So we're going to listen to a track off of his. Latest record. Called Amman Tara Sue. which is the name of the goddess of the Sun and Universe. Just lovelier curious. The song is called. Who Sonko Long. Those great. Lots of stuff happened in that. Yes. So that I mean he's been been very consistent like one of the records that I listen to quite a bit Is Record called released the first time I heard of this guy, this record called Konami, which you know if you know co Nami is that's That's a video game come. It's an arcade game company right? I think I had some of that last night. You had some Commun- last night. Yeah. It was really good. Yeah. So So here's what that was for me. It felt like. A combination of Lonzo in Kiln I can definitely see the Kim comparison as far as like all the lush. Irs. Yeah have had more of that like industrial. Cana More cold feel that law school has know. Yeah. So here's here's a little description on the bank camp page. I think describes it pretty well says here. There's a definite Asian influence here with throwback sounds to video games, aplenty riffs, and melodies that rival some of the best Japanese soundtracks out there some of the beats and blips couldn't have been executed better even if decided to address the Yamaha ym to six one to sound chip found in the Sega mega drive directly himself. Nice. That you go. So that is exactly what Hippie Gajic music is all about right like using. Old Equipment to make the sounds from. The past, right? Yeah. And Anyway, so yeah, that the entire record is like that it's it's a just a great record man and Pool. Mardo. Actually, GonNa try to bring some rock to the table just to To get a Haymond man it's it's whatever you've been heard. That's true. This is what I've been heard. That is accurate. The segment is accurate. All right so Where can you find this Q.? I'll do it because you don't like doing it i. Appreciate it will you can find us on our website known filler PODCAST DOT COM. Where you can find all of our previous shows I don't remember what might usual line is for this. Let me let me try it again. You can find all of our previous episodes. With a show notes page episode where we have all of our track lists. So any song that you heard on this episode will show up on that track list. So that's intro songs, altro songs the to what you heard songs. But If you WANNA be even cooler. You can subscribe and by subscribe I, mean follow I think is the term they use. The what you heard playlist that we have. Good luck spelling it. But you can also just search for no filler podcasts and I think it should come up in spotify but every week we add the two tracks that we talked about from what you're heard segment. So. Yeah. It's a random as collection of music as you can tell, just by the two tracks that we played today you know but if you like. One of the songs that we played and he just wanted to kind of remind yourself what was I called again I heard a track on not a few weeks back and I forget what it was go to that place and you'll find it on there it's an order from you know the newest to oldest there is over six hours of music on that on that playlist. So a lot of good tunes. On there. So here's what I just decided I'm going to do because we. Shot ourselves in the foot with with. What you heard in how do you spell it? I'M GONNA. Link to this playlist on our twitter and I'll just pin it to the top of the of our homepage will always be up there now we're using twitter. So yeah. So Hey, if you wanNA easily access are what you heard playlist he got a visit us on twitter because we are lacking. In the social media department, we could use some help from our listeners. So interact with us on twitter. We're really good about responding. You know any love the we get on twitter we get Super Giddy about no joke. So. Twitter. Handle. Handle. Our twitter handle is at no filler podcast and yeah, we're trying to be a little more active on their so I'll go ahead and pin that to the top of our twitter account. Yeah. So again, that's at no filler podcast where else can you find his trip will you can also find us on the Pantheon podcast network? That's Pantheon PODCASTS DOT COM. That is the home of plenty of great music podcasts including ours and Yeah. And, just take a look at all the all the shows that we have under our umbrella. It's pretty cool. There's there's a podcast for everyone I think if you like ours. You're bound to find at least one maybe even two. Possibly three other shows that you might want subscribe to you and listen to. So that's Pantheon podcast DOT COM and Yeah. That's going to do it for its this week. And we will be back at your next week for. The first sidetrack in months. So I'm kind of excited about a proper sidetrack episode. Yeah. It'll be fun and I haven't listened to any of this stuff so it'll be cool. It'll be fun. Yeah it's good. It's good stuff. So, we'll see you guys next week. My name is Travis and my name's Clinton later.

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423: Beth Lynch

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423: Beth Lynch

"Yes. My policies. Are we are goodness, have another gay? Okay. Okay. Let's go for district to a true, little bit better. Now. You are very welcome to episode of the such garden podcast. I am delighted to have our first timer to show a lady by the name of bet. Lynch, her book, her latest book, her first book is where to Hornby grow, my pulse of microphone to my lapel here, as I speak, because rattling in the background before we go any further out, such on Twitter, Facebook dot com for such that such. Oh, just got that out on such Tecom for anything you hear on today's episode. We'll get back to you just after this intro jingle. Now. Now. Ladies and gentlemen, bug into the Sud. So garden podcast. Beth, you are very welcome to our you very well, thank you Beth for those who are aware. You have a very, very, very, I I'm doing twisters now today for someone reason Beth, my apologies. But you have a very very change. I suppose it career from the buck your book tells me because I've done lots of research, you're based in ISA six you wear a lecturer won't point in time. You are a garden designer at another point in time on you've ended up in book, writing what of I left out Beth, and where did all of this Shelly callers, love of gardening, primarily start anyway. Well, I think that's a that's a, that's a pretty pretty accurate summary. Thank you. My CV my love of gardening started out in east Sussex where I grew up my off in a. Pena in is moving little house with a big garden very, very close to a beautiful beautiful ancient would. And that's where I I just I the garden in every single way I as long as I can remember. I asked him to go with my parents when I was about five or six years old, I started growing random things I was always fascinated by by the, by that who are bits prefix, the garden, the Bluebells the, the oak, something's in the northern all sorts of little details. And, and I just I just did my thing really, and it was never something that was, it was encouraged and supported, but it was never driven by my parents. I just I just love being the garden and it was kind of kind of most decisive pose, and it wasn't until. Two. I was probably in my, my OD, twin to tie really started learning about growing about venues and propagation from, from my parents and not something just take him with me since then. Yes, that love of gardening and the, the power of and it's difficult to describe. It's something that the ties face shape well being, and, and it's part of, who I am an- something that I have taken with me ever since do kinds of places I've lived in many different places, and may go in different places. So that's where the gun well, here's a funny, one better, all these sort of. How do I say, there are people who I know who they were banker sorta wear computer technicians or whatever that might be? And they Hoddle of gardening took it unchanged. Daas. How'd you say hubby? There were passionate about on made it into a career or they became gardens liners as you did yourself. It's something that's all heater bestowed upon you where a lot of cases I know people companies closed down, or they were given very early retirement under dense at okay. Well, here's the cutlass for yours. Yours was not dot. So can I ask you maybe on two very different levels, how far into horticulture did you get by qualification or as a designer on what was do? What was to thing that made that happen a little bit quicker done, maybe it did for this. Okay. I want to give it a second question. I actually. Expedited very this was she a good luck. Actually, I was very privileged. My, my husband picked up on very on the facts that I my, my thing, career as a democ- was not feelings abused fulfilling his, I'd, I'd hopes I, I love teaching of students, but I, I wasn't enjoying some of the other hoops that one had to jump through writing writing books on things. I didn't want to deal with because you have to produce research, and that sort of thing, and we, we talked to and at the same time, I was just spending all of my spare time and supposed to be quite close. My working time actually thinking about some working with gardens, I did quite informal garden designed before I before I retrained for friends, and so we decided to take a risk and have me retrain. Golden design ah. Which I, I did, and I qualified and begun to set of business. And then and then shortly after officer, I qualified we then, then relocated Switzerland for my husband's job. So purely the these supported my husband and his willingness take a bit of a risk with my career that the expedited that face us, and very fortunate do that question. The house arisen on my own part, who is being involved in horticulture similar age use was flavor six on again. Parents didn't discourage nor encourages I suppose Norway day, gardeners to, to end up going into it as a career twenty four twenty five years of agent of mayo name should relocate. Let's say to northern France, where of Don gardens are to the bigger island, like cauliflower I've also done gardens. It becomes a very different thing. They're all boy from well known it's almost like a new business again. But you've got a little bit of a head start. So done in itself is an extremely difficult tricky thing to do what I cracked definitely definitely these bearing in mind that when we when we relocated, Switzerland, I is very new to the to the business. I had comparative experience in running a business and to try and set that up completely different in a complete place. Completely different rules was with just. It was very, very difficult in a in a very strange way. And I probably shouldn't be saying this to, to gone design, a in a way. I want to know whether it would have been myself completely completely sushi. To working early and go and design when I did the training I, I three myself into it, and I call if I'd and I love making gardens are the people building guns for the people, I love the design process, and learning to draw doing the old fashioned way. It was it was it was wonderful. It was so rewarding in so thrilling, but I've found I always found that when I think about gums myself and how I feel about about green spaces in my own and working with them thoughts. I always sound my, my sheer sort of passion. I'm sure passion for plants always got a bit in the way of the design and I know the designer wanted always think about design design the design, I and I remember a Tutu telling me that plants were here planting plan. Comes is, is later issue. And you, it's more of a decorative thing, and I've always struggled to think about any space without immediately thinking about plants. So in a way, I, I wonder how, how far down along, I would have gone designer I wanted to proceed that if you under- from sometime mean having having had a chance to explore, my, my love plants in other ways, and now, particularly in terms of writing, it's a it's something I can't quite pin down question for innocently best. On. And I hope it's okay to ask it in this way, unsure, how to words gonna come out of Peter's head not for the first time I hear you heck a lot home, but would it be fair to suggest that there was a love of gardening? I would love to become a garden designer IB came to garden designer, and then I turned around him and actually I preferred at your way, but then you have an element of maybe better twelve never lived at all. And you reverted back to something else, but the thing that you dental became a little again, does not make sense in any way. I think I think he does peanuts, very thoughts, very, very intricate where putting it the thing is. I love I, I loved designing. And I do love designing. I love the geometry of the discipline of the, the ins and outs of surveying all those kinds of things. But when it comes to NY to myself, to my own my relationship with the garden for myself my own garden, I find it very, very difficult even impossible to think in those kinds of designed to it's very, very strange thing. A since I, I, I trained on began booking is to go and design I've had. I've had two two Goldens and I've never an neither of them have been able to, to really think to plan out and design the garden as a design space. It's a. I suppose I could say I can say it's kind of look, but actually it's I think it's kind of my, my love of plants and yes, the kind of gets in the way, the design when it comes to my own my own relationship with golden. But then I suppose it's that doesn't matter my space, in your defense Beth, I do remember giving a talk sink. It was last year. And the question was raised of my own garden, my answer to that was like Khan design years, twenty times over twenty different one straight off the top of my head. When it comes to my own you become overly detailed over. Intrinsic you everything becomes a laborious chore on in reality. I would be better off ringing, you and saying peace coming designed my garden coming tweak distace up -solutely done on it's case closed is always a pain in the two when it comes to doing your own, and I don't think I will ever be. A slide with any variation of garden, I ever designed for my own garden. In fact, I've read five times in fifteen years. Yes. Yes, yes. And I believe the same thing goes for people who work in the in the, the case against professional chefs as well how people. The, the, the other thing, too, is ever since my, I left the left the garden in Sussex my parents, guard and off my parents deaths. I I many, many years ago. I we the house was sold. And I, I got an question number plants cuttings lottery, mostly for any else from my parents garden, and I have I planted them in every guard, and I've had since they even came to them with me, I had to I had to plant some in get friends to accept bits and pieces to put nag on, while we were we go in for a while just to these plants to the stock going, and I now have in the gardens about three friends and my brother in Cambridge huge number plants that. Came from my parents gardening Sussex, and regardless of what else we do with the, the garden, which house in the garden into, which just moved it will. It will be driven by by those plants, and they, they have to go out and come, what may say. It's, it's really. Yes. I, I can't I can't the plan. I again, you say, yes, indeed, let skew Sawyer is, if we can best because the book where to horn beams grow, sort of, struck me it was a brought me back a little bit to my own childhood. When things were held, you say Peter's daydreaming, much sometimes mystical, I paint, a very eloquent picture. And that, but my imagination of people underneath the flowers and Peter at the back garden on my motor looking out, and nobody out not time apart from grown men and tank tops would beers did gardening. Nobody worked on a Sunday. We're buck. Baragan conversation. I had with similar guest of the show. Much Biggs written recently about your HSA. We get onto him on another episode. It did bring me back there a little bit because Where'd horn beams grows sort of has references to botanical Latin on plants on gardening that you are involved in the story on the book, isn't entirely about data's dot affairs and ups of. Amy the story. I it's, it's kinda cool book, I mean, yeah, no, no explain it a little bit better than I have explained it. And the central narrative of the over the book, whether who mean rose is about my with leaving the garden in Sussex. My parents got and, and then moves to a greater operating my husband's I moved to Switzerland about eight years ago for federal opportunity, and we and suddenly, I found out his forty years old and recess os and moved to Switzerland. And quite quickly decided that we would try and set up a life. So it wasn't. We didn't go out there with any kind of sense that we might come back after a couple of years, and the story, it's story making that big move leaving the house. In the garden, leaving friends being and, and then suddenly realizing that the, the big adventure is starting more difficult and complicated than much of hopes. And that's we tried very hard to integrate. It wasn't very easy. I found it very quite lonely time. And, and in the end we force little cottage in the in the mountains, not the big out, little green rolling rolling mountains north, Switzerland with a big garden, very wild part of part of the world. I, I made garden as a way of making myself at home in Switzerland, and that's the story. Really, there's also a slightly more for one better words, inward story, if you like about the idea of the guard. In the in a way, I feel that I've aways since since I left garden. And so it's my parents go out and the have always taken with me in various ways. And, and not always helps me an inspired me to make my guns. Elsewhere influenced how I how I got and really was to garden on Wor buck to my reference to my child for me Beth, it was pure escapism. I, I speak with people like Sherry Carmen on she'll tell me something similar where she'll get locked into a room and have to do the planting plans put for me as a child, I suppose because that's all I knew was into growing to plant that was the bit where. Paint very different picture. But as a grown now, why close my eyes and Otis Redding comes on the background in my head? Not in reality. And I can see women sitting on the far side of the table and the glass red wine stare. The lights are dimmed down in my head. That's when I'm gardening, that's sort of how it feels for. Maybe those you listen at home. You can maybe impetus, our seat out a little bit clearer in that sense. It word so when you relocated was that your form of maybe escapism as a fair way to paint. I think so. It. The two things hippies me, one is for me. It was always I always found tremendous as I'm sure you can relate to this. And most of your listeners, kind of well, just a tremendous sense of the ship, how having your hands putting your hands of the soil and actually doing something being sort of being really immediately engaged with involved with the soil and things. The soil with clown. Some plenty I find that, that that's how I have always found a tremendous sense of wellbeing, and, and, and that's something that I always turned to something that I'd use habitually because I I'm Gardner, but it's, it's something very powerful and the other the other thing about, you mentioned escape, is, and it is when I think back to that, to that, you know, my, my childhood, and the, the garden of my childhood, it was a kind of. I it's no salary as well. And I and I think it is in various idealized snapshots, if he likes impressions about the life and, and certain plants and certain sense. And, and when I think that gone away sunny, though, I know it wasn't and, and that sort of thing, but. It was much much more. How powerful for me, which is actually I think the, the associations with the people it's my, it was my parents go. And it's manifested physically, if you like to botanically in these plants that I've managed to keep alive. The stop for my parents garden. But it something is a kind of inheritance does that make sense? Something that I that I brought with me from that garden and I it informed every how I got and now and the end of that garden ways found its way into every garden. So I made it's a funny thing that, that there are a lot of compatibles. I say compatibles between we've, we've lived very different lives. We've spoken sometimes before this actual interview, but one of the points today always made that without people gardens would be up slightly pointless on lately, in your book on the chaptered limits of part. I have a note saying without people. There would be no part, which I found, it's almost an even grander statement than I could ever made on dot page. You have an old in here and I just wanna read for those home part is depends on people in order, emotional, and visceral ways at the time of tragic climax of the story of the fall. There's a juncture, which eve has eaten the forbidden fruit. Adam has not to be very fair to what you have rhythm. What is an absolutely? Excellent read I should add ours. Robert McFarland notes subtle unmoving and probably you drew me in on. There are a lot of books that would end up on my desk for those home. You'll be aware is such only interviewed tree authors last year for very good reason. But I didn't intend to an any way to fall in love with your book, but I almost like curing NET p offer the first time I very much did. But it was not my intention. I was lightly reserved when I picked it up, I on red what you're publishers. Had sent with it. And then I got sucked into the damn thing and fell entirely in loaded, and I can see very easily and clearly warrior first book has been published on congratulations. Thank you very much. That's amazing generous over here. I'm I, I'm just incredibly flattered. Thank, you know, will you wrote the book are just as a Setia I sort of got sucked into the botanical Latin bit at the very start to Vermont to chew it kept my interest, peaked because I that's the impression that I sort of wondered other would be drawn into. But it is a funny, one best when you when I'm speaking with colleges or when I'm beacon to students in particular of horticulture, you almost want to ask them to close your eyes, and you tell them a swimmer cellphone at Burnham or speaking, the national museum in Cardiff to the blind association. We were sort of explain to them that an almost silliest this might sound a close your eyes moment. And can you picture again that always reading feeling on when you get pasta or when you get your head around garden design or gardens, or that escapism or metaphorical scenario becomes entirely ease? Easy to appreciate unto understand on again. You seem to have master dot extremely well. Thank you so much. Thank you very much, welcome. You're most welcome. I have got that, right. Oh, Besson in how I'm saying is that? How you intended to write it. I didn't really know how clear I knew the story the I had a story that I I wanted to I wanted to write this, I wanted to tell I started writing purely by just immersing myself back in going back to the in my in my mind and my heart to the garden in Sussex, and an and I, I am in my mind, my machination my memory, my whatever it is. I just posted around and felt my way back around the garden unveils about is not how that was to one, and, and then really set the tone for the rest of the book, really, it was quite an interesting is a very interesting journey discoveries myself, actually working out how. Book was going to write it. So that doesn't sound crazy. I wanna ask you another question bet because for a lot of people, I know they always gardening child does a great Cartner. There's a passing in the family. Apologies and shortly after dot sometimes there's a tendency to return to what had evaded them for whatever reason that is for so many years on June and the buck integrate outdoors, on my head sometimes ponders ever so slightly wetter. It's because of the passing that was, maybe the cutlass or whether it say an almost trying to remember on I hope I'm eloquent and often Howie like choice of words and unplayed enough, and how I say, have you found yourself now that you have gone from one side to garden back to the other side to book, writing has the book of being in the inverted commas greater doors. Stuck with you. Does it still make your heartbeat, a little bit faster when you garden integrator doors? Or when you do your thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. I mean, the very strange position, guards, my God, because we probably got we. We've, we've left, Switzerland. We've moved back to the UK, and I recently moved moved into the little house with a really, really small city garden in Cambridge. So the absolute unchecked assists of this wonderful sort of wild space that we, we had in Switzerland. And the moment the garden is quiet. It's, it's just it is just a fenced space surrounded by other other gardens and houses. It's on. And but I'm trying to take my time workout, what do you with it because semi things sort out? We found is and say a little bit of designs, it needs something, the today, I just stepped outside, and they're just a few few plants that are previously left, if you primarily this buds coming out, I had to meet something me dig up to me, but around and elsewhere. And just having my child in the soil and noticing something coming out. Leaf unfurling a new bad. It's just completely thrilling. It's completely thrilling. I in a way the process of writing the book has actually made me, I think enabled me give me the great gift of, of noticing these tiny details even more. I think I think if anything it's intensified, my creation of all these things, atrium or to buy me, ask daydream in what way do you mean? Well, some people look out window and say, oh, my God, it's raining, where I look at when the when I see people dancing. Not really there some might say I fall in love quite easily depending on what it is could be a song could be a lady. I definitely. Yes, I, I'm very, very trading. Twinsies EM's and enthusiasm. Yes. Yes. I very interested in, in things. And yes, yes, certainly, but happily when it comes to plants and things I mean it's just it's a cliche, but it's it's a passion and something which is a passion, which I think, may may make me temperamentally unsuited to Syrian garden design is much higher level. But it's something that has the neighbors me, and encourage me to do other things like writing and do my own kind of gardening, I suppose. Really, yes, those of you listening at home. It just wanna reach quote on the front of the book, and it says coach tender wise. Meditation on grief home under restorative much love that word of making a garden, that quotas from Libya lying, my absolute pleasure to speak with battling author of where the horn beams grow, a journey in search of a garden, on my thanks also to Elizabeth who took the time to make this interview happen bet Lynch. It's being an obsolete. Pleasure, talking to wonderful to find somebody who has written words joined together at made this big child's imagination go further. Donna, I for some time, have an -ticipant thank you so very much. Thank you. Thank you very much, peach, indeed. It's been a tremendous pleasure. And, and thank you, thank you so much feel kind birds, competitive people want to get in touch best sister website, Twitter thing, or are you on them? No. I, I am about I'm about to take on DJ actually and with Twitter. But I don't have an account, but my, my agents David Higham, or or in his in his. It is vital. Felt would be my points of contact those you listen at home in all good bookstores, if it's not they're going for it. And in the meantime, if you're stuck sent me an art show on Twitter, Facebook dot com for slash such or such. Come on. We'll put you in touch with Beth, or the appropriate people who are acquired in the meantime, take you so much for this thing at home on thank you for taking the time to talk to me today. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. You're most welcome. Have a great day bet. UT. Thank you, then. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Hsien Cy I. Only. Time. I. Senate. And you. Lonely.

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#241 - Maddie of Maddie and Tae on When Theyll Get Back on the Road + Jenn Wayne of Runaway June on Getting Coronavirus + New Music with Eddie

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#241 - Maddie of Maddie and Tae on When Theyll Get Back on the Road + Jenn Wayne of Runaway June on Getting Coronavirus + New Music with Eddie

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Lawrence Editors Writers and even prompt masters tell us about what inspired the series. And how we became family. You can listen to the podcast. Fake Doctors Real Friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to episode two forty one coming up. We'll talk to Mattie for matty. She talks about if she's ever done interview without pay. They're not together. I don't WanNa Cross by phone lines. So we got mad coming up. She's just a great interview as a lover as a person she is. A delight actually says we finish the interview here in a minute. I texted her management and I was like a plus like as far as interviews and people go ape. Plus she does the thing it startles me a little bit and so good for an interview is that she asked questions back. My job is an interviewer is to make it sound like we're just talking. There's actually a lot more going into it than than you would think done by Mike and Myself there's preparation and there's listening and there's you know having the confidence to know that doesn't matter where they go. You're fine with another question. I don't even look at questions for the most part. I'm listening and going but there's all this but then when she goes. Oh let me ask you this. You're you're you're kind of thrown off because it's it makes it so good. Yeah she's so present to go. You know I'm also curious about you. Now I think she probably genuinely is but even if she wasn't such a great tactic to us being interviewed. I do it a lot of my interviews. Because I'm the best interviewee because I interview all the time and I know what people want when they're interviewed so I'm I'm being interviewed because people all the time so you get me on. You'RE GONNA have to ask me one question. I'm GonNa give you a big Ole long excited or emotional with questions at end. So she's great. I can't say enough about it. So matty from matty and they record. That's coming up in a second also. Jin Wayne who has corona virus Jenas from runaway June fracking corona? Just saw. I Know Jen pretty well and I didn't know until she posted it. I think you're like Gen. Y Nez Corona. Yeah and I was like Woo. So we'll talk to her coming up in a second so I I like today. Show this guy looking at some headlines here because you know concerts who knows. They'll probably be some but who knows this year but even facebook is cancelling any company event with over fifty people until June. Twenty twenty one. Wow it's just so many people are going to do it early. That is going to make those who don't look like they don't care as much about people. Does that make? Yeah I get Netflix. Stock Record high is now worth more than Disney. Wow that's nutty crazy. So just a couple of stories here it Eddie on. I guess we finish talking with any but now we're going to play that part right here. Thanks for hanging out with US TAG US on instagram story or twitter or facebook to say that you love the podcast. We would really appreciate that and give us good ratings and right nice things about us and that if you don't mind if you do mind the door about if you don't mind that'd be great and checkout movie. Mike's podcast movie. Mike's movie podcast. If you love movies this is the podcast for you. What's on this week? I'm talking about actors. Who hated each other while they were filming movies? Oh that's interesting. Yeah all the foods that went down. That was a good one. All right check it out movie. Mike's movie podcast over Eddie. Eddie's on hey by the way you just want to looking at my instagram story. A few minutes ago. Why did you stop after the picture of the guy and the girl I didn't? Yeah because you didn't keep going. Do you know what was the last one. You saw foot massage. Maybe no that was my girlfriend stretching me before the Peleton and that was the last one. I saw the stretch Well it's always annoying when someone goes through only some your instagram stories. And they got bored with some of them what I do just to be a good person. If I'm bored I just go knock out. Knock them all out so they don't see it and look at all of them. You're not looking at. Yeah Yeah even looking. I wanted to feel like I was consuming everything. They put out there so well that that did not happen with me. I watched all years and then I went on to the next. I don't know. Did you watch this episode of Easy Trivia? I did well. I watched the start of it. I didn't finish it. I thought the markets wears on it with awesome. Yeah it's a good episode. Demarcus is on it and I make him do something with his muscles. Because I'm not going to say I'm not going to ruin it but Sharma's on it the center for the Titans. Ben Jones is on it and jump John Parties on it. So yeah yeah you got to be on the next couple of weeks yeah man. I'm waiting for my invitation. I'm ready all right new music around this week. Brett eldredge dropped. His first new song. In two years. Here is Gabrielle. I wonder what that song because the girl that he wrote the song about is not named Gabrielle Brittany. Our friends and I know the girl that you wrote about not named Gabriel. I wonder if he had the rhyme. I wish you well and then it's like what the girl's name we should put him here to the Brunswick wish you will because it's kind of a weird name to pick if it's not the girl's name right. It is unique because you're sitting around writing a song about a girl and you're like why can't use a real name. What name will we use? It's like not Bertha or Gabrielle. Or You would pick like a normal name right so you'd think wish you well came first and they're like we need a name derived that. I I don't know for sure but it's it's it's tough name to kind of pull out of the Year Gabrielle. That's my I do like to song and Brett's GonNa hold different way with his music a little bit. You can't fully tell yet that song but he's did a whole shakeup. You know with management with it. So you know he's doing a little bit mature Brett eldredge as an adult type thing. That people are GonNa like so his first news on two years Morgan Wall and shared. He's dropping a new album this year and today. He shared the single more than my hometown. And here's a clip of that on their own. More aren't waiting about Morgan Wallin. I love it I I love more than one and I hope that you can put out hits for a long time because there's something about his music it's just so simple it's like it's truly like and it could be as look and everything you know. Cutoff leaves mullet. And all that it almost has this appeal of like a real redneck country. Dude literally we're just riding a song by himself. I don't know if that's the case. But that's what it feels like. Everything was on his unique texture in his voice when he sings in the room with you to you know he's performed on our show and he sings and he sounds good in person as he does live. And you don't hear them go. Wow that's a big vocal guy. But he sounds as good in person as he doesn't record and there's just something about his vocal tone that is different when he sinks and I wasn't a big Morgan Wallin Fan with the first couple of songs because they sounded like all that broke country. That was coming out for a long time. But I'll tell you I kind of love him now. The one that really push it over for me was chasing you such a jam that had just converted me to listen to some of his other songs and radio songs and I was like. Oh I do really like this guy. They just pick those songs because they were super radio friendly. So yeah I like that Guy. A Lot Luke. Combs shared brand new song. He wrote this week about the current times. We're going through in Japan. It up on Youtube here is six feet apart. Smile mom this mandate amiss map giving the it's just how this thing nearly shoe near will be a we seek speed crazy that he can write a song isn't a total cornball song about corona virus. It is surprising. You Gotta imagine everyone trying to do it and being like in the middle of on no way way too dumb 'cause even when I saw the title sixty part was like. Oh man like I trust luke to write good stuff lou combs because he just does and I was like there's no way and then he does and you're like holy crap. How does he keep doing that? Do you think do you think that there's GonNa be like some kind of Explosion of like a bunch of Corona theme Song About Quarantine Fung. No I don't zero. I mean there may be a song about isolation there may be. I don't know that there's going to be a whole playlist. It's going to be made of all the quarantine jams from twenty twenty. I I was talking to someone about it. You know like one of the neighbors. I was walking by works for record label. And he's saying that a lot of artists are just trying to see if they can record full albums in their houses with their home. Stews is a lot of artists. Have Home Studios. It's like it's gonNA sound so different if they do like if we do this for you know for a while these going to be made in people's houses and maybe it will be that corona virus sound like Lo fi sound. I thought you were talking about all the songs. GonNa be about Corona virus. Well both both. Okay I definitely think there could be. Epa COME OUT OF THIS. That have a slightly different texture. But especially if it's a long lock down. But I don't think it's GonNa be another six months you know to where people can't get to a studio. I do think it'll be a long time before they can have concerts. But I I think there's something to that were. You may have people putting out. You know the the Corentin session or something like that. That's a few tracks made from their house. I do think you're onto something there. I don't think you're going to have a bunch of quarantine songs or the Cova Blues or the sanitizer rise. I was and you hear this later in the show. If you're listening right now but I was talking to Matty and I mentioned about Taylor swift saying she's doing no concerts at twenty twenty just based on what you know right now. When do you think they'll be concerts again? Ooh Not till next year. I I I mean or late late this year I mean maybe like November December but then I was thinking this year to be safe. I mean do you feel like this is what I feel like tailored doing it in saying that? It's it's kind of setting the precedent of the big ones. Don't do it nobody else should do. Yeah because it'll be tough to get someone like a loop combs or someone like an Luke Bryan al-Deen to take twenty thousand thirty thousand people ten thousand whatever. The number is lady antebellum and make them all getting room together You know I can see if you were going to do a small show for like twenty people. I don't know I think it's it's tough right now. You don't WanNa be the first one to do it. What about you as a key just going to a concert? When would be the first time you would WANNA go to? I'm not going to be safe. Once a vaccine comes out exactly. Yeah yeah I mean I but again I think I'm a little more Germaphobe the most people and I'm also around a lot more music so it's not like a concert is big deal to me so I think I'm a little different than than most folks but I'm not going Mike. Would you go to one of your punk shows where they mosh now? I don't feel safer. Yeah yeah it'd be a while I'm going to need the vaccine probably me to roll into somewhere and do my thing because when I go to shows spit on everyone thinks the shows are so sweaty. Yeah Yeah kept more released. A new song called southpaw. Here's a song Don Lino Tumble 'cause you never saw me com B. Lead Lane. My name made an Eddie. What is what's you in relation to relationship to but I wonder what is your relationship with kip about. Ours is just mainly you know. We're both San Antonio Spurs Fan. So when basketball was gone we would you know we would text each other about basketball on just kind of keep up with different things like The the the team got a trade or they traded two players or whatever they suck like right L- lately it'd be like man like how you doing without sports kind of thing but it's just keeping up. He's really good at keeping in touch and just seeing. How we're doing see has a family house by House. How's the show doing and all that he is actually tax rates. Really good about keeping in touch up KIP and my relationship again. I would say we're closer than with a lot of artists but only because we really did not like each other in really got into a big fight early on not physical but we were just over with each other by what happened. Was US pushing so far away made us go? Well we should see if we really hate each other or if there were just missing a fundamental misunderstanding and we got together and there was and now I mean we've spent a good amount of time together and he. He's a different kind of guy where he likes to rock. Climb and live in nature and I like Wi fi and NBA two k. Twenty but I do really enjoy that guy and appreciate how he looks at our. I don't look at it the same way but I think US really getting into early in a negative way has made the positive so much more because we didn't ever even tried it had just been to passing creators using each other for him for interviews or but but yeah it gives a good dude yeah into him his arts very important like. I don't think there's a song that he puts out where he doesn't feel like it means everything to him so if you ever read a parody like well we did One of his songs. It may not be received. Well yeah it was a parody. Then we try to get into play it and then I just roasted them for weeks on the air about it. It wasn't me just one time being to do. She was all business multiple times and kept calls me one day and goes hey like we should talk and see what's up and we met for breakfast one day and ever since then it's like oh. I get it get it. We don't have to agree on stuff to actually respect and like each other but yes very basic gives a very passionate guy for sure. Love him though lady. Antebellum released a song from Song. Land called Champagne night battles pay. I don't WanNa really another boys. I've never watched a full episode of this show. Have you Eddie I have I like it I like it I I think I mean I? I've written songs you know so. I'm kind of like a songwriter. So I understand that. It doesn't happen as fast as it does on the show because the show really making seem like they spit out the idea of fast and it's done in ten minutes and then they record it and that process obviously takes longer than that. But it's interesting. It's an interesting show to just kinda see someone with an idea and then three really strong songwriters. Try to make something of it. My question is would lanier bellum releasing the song. Did they write it or the people that they go? Hey we wrote it at one. You Sing it. I don't know about this case exactly but usually what happens is there's a songwriter who has a song already. And here's the idea. Presents it to the three people on the show. And then they and then they get. They get teamed up with one of those riders and then they that rider perfects the song and if it gets chosen than artist were recorded. Does the artists ever get it on? Am I want you to know? I've never seen it. Okay all right. See if they wrote that. Will you champagne night because I know I don't think Old Dominion wrote the song they did and they always write their songs but I think for that show? They will allow that to happen artists. Mike's GonNa look that they didn't. They didn't somebody within the show and then produced by shame. Acknowle Cool Brad Paisley has a song called. No I n beer team ever Kenny. Chesney has a new song called guys named Captain Thank there. Love live long largely undercover bars in cartoons waitresses and Tall Jason. The son run aground. Full captain outrageous captain songs about some way for what other captains and there could be a name checked obvious Captain Cook. Yeah I like the tone of that song. Did you hear it more final? This is pretty cool. Cadillac three released the Post Malone Song circles. It'd Covet here. You go had that one I heard about it. I love voice. Sounds awesome. Sounds good on gravelly voice like post Malone and they recorded that in quarantine because that Jaren on the last episode and he was like we record real. You're gonNA like it and so yeah. That was an episode. If you're listening now More new music no clips on these Mike. Okay quickly. Jana Kramer untouchable against Sara Evans. Hard to Sam. Sorry only hard for me to say what's the cover. Yeah to cut the Congo. Is that Chicago. I don't know I just guessed on that Chicago. Nice Job Eddie. Mark Chestnut. I found another. You know it's funny about Mark Chestnut. Is We in our mind. These artists don't get older. We just know them as they looked when we were kids. And if you don't go look them up you don't know they've gotten older and mark chestnut was playing our show. Remember the study embarrassment and Eddie and I were big mar chestnut fans back in the day. I can't say that I know much of his new music in the past ten years or so but we were big big fans in the ninety s and he was coming in and we were pumped and his sound guy comes in and start setting stuff up and he's like hey play and I thought it was a sound Guy Guitar guy like hey you'll be right there and he was like all right. What time do we go on? I was like Oh but like three minutes. We kept waiting for Mark. Chestnut WALK IN TURNS OUT. He was mark chestnut older sound guy that was thinking that was Martin and he had glasses. Yes it was a whole thing cowboy hat on. It was weird. Wasn't it didn't look like him at all on a share blink. One eighty two rocks or something. It was weird. Yeah Yeah let's see. High Valley River still running. Here's the clip rebound game rusting. Kelly has a phone call brave this is my jam right here. my. My girlfriend thinks it's weird because I listened to all sad songs all the time. It doesn't matter what mood I'm in. I needed to be sad. It just needs to be sad and slow and the less instruments better when no instruments and very little voice. Just a light home. That's all I could take but this is this. Is it for me? I like this Kelly. Clarkson put out a new song called. I dare you and then finally angels and airwaves. All that's left is love. What are you guys doing now at the House that he Right now we were just cut trying to cut everybody's hair and it's it's impossible to nightmare right now. Are you cutting your wife? I started to cut. And then then my call. I had to had to hand the clippers over but basically I'm just going to give them all the SAM hunt cut because that's the easiest where you just shave the sides in the back and then just let the top the way. It was nice like a ball. Now that's the way. What would you say okay? Well Yeah but if you do the fake line or whatever it kind of looks like Sam. Hi I'm calling it that and they're cool with that all right well. I mean it's all we're going to do because I got a couple of years hop over to Everything else good. Everything's good man. We're here. We're just stained safe. Yeah Eddie came over to the house and brought something over yes you why come into the house. He pulls up in his jeep. Everyone's like why somebody outside our house and was Eddie funny is like you know. I guess you now. You don't really get any guests so when someone shows up the doors wide open at you your girlfriend. The dog runs out all right Give to cut hair. Thanks for you by the way checkout Eddie's sport show talking about that per second yeah we're do the sore losers podcast. It's me Raimondo and lunchbox and We just talk about guys stuff right now. We're finishing off a sore losers coin flip madness and since we didn't have a march madness the basketball tournament we're just flipping coins and we made our own bracket explained to me flip a coin and that's the winter. Yes so it's just like the March Madness tournaments. There aren't any games so the game is a coin. Flip fifty fifty. You do one show and no no no. We did it just kind of like the tournament did we. Did you know eight the first day and then eight the next day and right now we're at the final. Four in the championship is Monday. It's huge Arkansas. Win At all this year and the coin that you could get you. Give them a at large. I hate to break it to you. But Arkansas was in the brackets The phones they were out the first round you know we never been good coin flip. Yeah all right check out the sore losers podcast Eddie. Appreciate it back to haircuts. Talk to you soon. All right bye-bye you've heard me talk about Norton Three Sixty lifelock. It's a cyber safety solution. That helps protect your devices. Your identity and your online privacy and while cybersecurity is still important right now. I want to tell you something. 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Beans is a five star rated mobile puzzle game on the apple APP store and Google play. And you can download it right now for free. That's friends without the our best fiends. Atty what's happening so sorry. I called my. I have the wrong time zone in my freaking calendar like an idiot where are you? I'm in Nashville. But for some reason my like you know on I think my phone because I've been in so many time zones the past years did just get wacked out and sometimes it does not calculate the correct. Tell well I wanted to Texas you but I figure we're all in some sort of weird quarantine and something had gone wrong because nobody really late anymore. We're all just kind of looking at our clocks going well. I wonder what time I do something next. I know right. Hey I had so much fun on Trivia. I was really disappointed that I didn't get further. But that is such a cool thing that you came up with. I love it. Thanks a lot how you how are you by the way? Are you good good? We I mean it's been kind of crazy the past two weeks crazier than I expected with the album. Release and everything. But I've been good. That's the album has been my like silver lining with all this craziness. How about yourself good? I mean I'm lucky where I have pretty much everything in my house that I need to work like. I have a radio studio American idol. Just sent me about twenty Boxes to set up a TV studio so yeah in a weird way. Like I'm okay but I have nothing new. You just put your first record and five years which is which is crazy that it's been that long I know well because whenever we came on your podcast what was that like three years ago. Maybe two years ago I don't know my timelines are jacked up but we were still like in those beginning stages with universal with the new record label. How has that all been? Because you've been there for a couple of years but you kinda went through some changes for a minute. Yeah the new company just universal overall. We've had the best experience and I think we we got to make the album that we love because we finally felt this nuisance of creative freedom like we went over there and they loved what we were writing. And I remember Stephanie. Right our head of anr was like hey go make an album that you love pick the producers that you want. Take the songs that you love and just do it. And and that's not really what the first process was like so it was really really special and it. Kinda just taught us how to trust our gut creatively and Canada. Follow our own intuition And that's kind of how the album came to be. I'm going to play a few clips from the record so hang tight for a second. The new album is called the way it feels. Here is die from a broken heart. Here is a song called everywhere I'm going and here's more. This is one heart to another soon. I was listening to the record the week it came out because full disclosure. Maddie and TAE and myself. We have the same publicist and and so she was more stressed about you because this is when we didn't know what was happening with corona really was so new there were just starting to shut stuff down. You guys had a bunch a bunch of album promotion planned and I'll tell you and it's always best to hear from somebody else. She was so concerned and was so stressed about. You guys like just true love and worry that she wasn't going to be able to get you guys out everywhere so and they did a great job. I you know. I think that they did the best that they could. And you know we we Kinda just all huddled up as a team and we're like look everyone like we had our social media team are publicists are labeled everyone. We all put our heads together. The past you know two months really since the beginning of March. And we're just like okay we'RE GONNA do this. And this and planned a whole bunch of stuff so we kinda just are trying to roll with the punches as best as possible. Did you ever think about not putting the record out? Was that ever a conversation dude. There's no way in heck that we weren't putting that album or how long we waited. I would like you know what I'm sorry. I know there this horrible pandemic going on but you can still release music and his sanitary to do so and I was not backing down in. No one there was no one on our team that was like. Hey maybe we should push this back because we were all feeling that same way like you know what we've had so much adversity hit and to make this album and of course there's a global pandemic the minute that we decided to release it but I'm so glad that we released it too because I think it's I think it's Kinda bringing some joy in some light to people's lives right now you guys. We're going to hop on the tourist town tour and would like every other tour. It's done for now. No new dates have been announced yet. I saw today. The Taylor Swift's that she's doing no shows for twenty twenty like it'll be twenty twenty one before she does anything. I just wonder where your head is out with. As far as live shows and kind of what's being said about when you may be able to play again. What are they saying to you guys? We're going day by day. We all we know we are planning like the plan. Right now is to go out with lady a in July and then rescheduled tourist town for this fall but I will say like. It is nestled like the possibility of not getting to tour. Because you know I mean you know to being on the road. It's like you employ a lot of people. A lot of people depend on you to feed their families and to pay their bills and so as a business woman. It's really like sad time. You know I want I want you know. A lot of our employees depend on our touring income to pay their bills. And so that. That's probably been the thing that's the hardest not like the the worst like stress on my heart right now. That's an interesting thing to bring up too because I think from the surface people look at you guys and go well. Mattie and take can't get paid if they don't tour but in reality Mattia take can't pay the people that can't do their job at all if if they don't then that's your tore manager. That's your front of House Person. That's your guitar player. Like they're sitting back waiting for you guys to Kinda give them direction because they have no work right now. Exactly exactly and so. We're just we're having to get creative with like how to take care of our people as best as possible but you know there's no money coming in you know it's just. It's it's stressful. And I know a lot of like self employed Businesses are feeling that same pressure. So I just I just feel for everyone. That's you know just wanting to do something and you know just we're just kinda stuck right now. Well you're married now also. Have you taken official your husband's name or no? Yes so well actually Interesting question I so I finally went to the Social Security Office in that whole thing which I'll have to tell you a hilarious story off the record about to some security office but I went in and I can't my last name to his but as I was in the middle of changing my name earlier this year this pandemic hit and so I have a passport. That says my married name but my driver's licenses my maiden name so I feel like I have two identities. I hope that's not illegal. I don't know what do you think about that? Can You keep one and change one? I think you have to change them both because in both. I think that would be the way to do it. Like you. Run up a bunch of bills on one thing you can do to people. Okay and how you're gonNA put me in. How was it like how is being quarantined? Because it's like you know you're together all the time right now so I I assume you guys are going along pretty well yeah we. We've been together for ten years. This may it'll be ten years so we've worked out a lot of those like newlywed kinks. Long Ago So it's actually surprisingly being really really good for our marriage. I I know you you earn a new relationship. But how is that? Is it kind of Nice to get to sit and just be like a couple not like having to get your schedules on tracking all that? Has that been kind of different for you? Well it's been interesting. We were whenever she came and she wasn't planning to quarantine here but she was here for a week. She lives in California but she came here and she was then like scared to go home because California was way earlier than now. We're shutting everything down and I was like. Hey why don't you just stay here for a couple of weeks? It's been six weeks now but I think that it has really progressed our relationship. Because we've been together almost every minute of every day for six weeks and it's been great so person than because I feel like this is the test if you are in quarantine with someone and you feel like your relationship is strengthening like you. Are you ready to rock and roll? You're handling a global pandemic of that and being together all the time dude. Did you and your husband lived together before you got married. Yes and I know. There's a lot of people that are like that so that you know whatever but We you know. He moved Texas from our hometown. That come to Nashville and just financially just didn't make sense for us and everybody's different but I will say living together before it was really great for our relationship. I don't WanNa go like. Hey everyone do that but oh I do. I think you should live together. No I will say on the record. I think you should live with the person before you get married because so glad that we did. Because you know there's a lot of people are like. Oh you're newlyweds is their struggles. Are you fighting like no because we experienced those newlyweds things long before you know five six years before we were married so I guess when you guys got married it was just I mean it was a big event but you already were in that phase of mentally in the relationship totally like we've treated it like a marriage honestly when we were about I would say maybe nineteen years old? That was when you know we were out of high school and you know John was in college and I had moved and we were like okay. We're going to do this. We gotta be all in and that was when we really decided don't actually gave me a promise ring when we were teenagers Which isn't really a common thing. But he basically was just like. Hey basically I'm GonNa put you on layaway. You know just getting. That sounds awful really sweet. So is this the first interview that you've done in a while without Taylor Tay. What do I talked? I felt like her name. Is Taylor when I talk to her about her by herself. But when she's with you guys it's is it the first one you've done without her in a while. I don't think I've ever done a interview without her go. Yeah so it's Kinda cool to get to like you know each have our own like you know we're together all the time so sometimes it is cool to get to hear her talk about everything. And then Kinda get to share my side. But you know the Taylor. Taping is a big thing for her. 'cause people that she has a relationship with she likes to be called Taylor because she feels like that's more of like the human part and Tae is more of the like work. But everyone calls me Mattie so I don't really get no one called me Madison that because that would just be weird and I probably wouldn't respond. I don't think if you have a as Madison at all like if I saw you. I wouldn't call you madison but I see her and I call her Taylor. What she's by herself. 'cause I think Taylor is a little more like serious and I feel like she's a little more serious of a person and I am so opposite like Madison is no. That's very serious and I am not a serious human as artist with all this time at home. Are you finding that you have any other skills or any other things that that time has allowed you to pursue a little bit I have been practicing my espanol. I actually was fluent as a child growing up in Texas Like South Texas and so I've been practicing that I've actually gotten decent cooking my husband's way better but I made this shrimp Scampi the other night and it was like restaurant quality. Even my husband said so I don't know what other skills I would say. I've been playing a lot more guitar. I feel like I'm getting a little bit better at like a little more confident with my guitar playing because I got a little lazy. They're on the road. What's happening with watching shows anything? Good okay. I don't know if you would like what we watched. Hey what was that? Documentary called where they buried. All the drugs does them up. Oh legends of cocaine. I. This is terrible But it's on Netflix. And basically there's like this tale that some dude doug a bunch of cocaine into the ground and Like told this story around a campfire in this dude went to try to go. Dig It up in Puerto Rico. It's like this super wacky story. It's it's tiger king s in the way that it's so wacky but I really enjoyed that everywhere with reese. Witherspoon is awesome. Oh yeah that's not. Who said the name of the show again? What does the little fires everywhere yeah? I just finished the book yesterday and then now I'm watching the show. And Oh my gosh. It's so good. Are you finding a little bit because this is what I'm struggling with is that you have so much free time you're getting nothing done I'M A to do list girl. I really like even if it's a symbol of like doing the chores or if it's like finishing a demo which has been interesting trying to figure out how to do a demo by myself that's a whole other thing. I've been trying to get like maybe one or two things done but like the past. Two weeks have been so crazy with album released that I've been giving my weekends like actually having a weekend. I bet it's weird for you to actually have a Saturday and Sunday because our Saturdays and Sundays are like Monday Tuesday or something. It's weird for me. Well the weirdness for me that I'm not traveling at all because I was on the road constantly even but but I do. I actually leave my house for work one day a week because I go to the Grand Ole opry and I host the introduced to operate. Tv show. I don't touch anybody but it I mean it's just a different normal is what is but there'll be time if I don't make schedule out. I'll make essential almost every day and from when I wake up from when I exercise because that keeps me like you said you had to do this person. I need my stuff timed so I feel like my day is moving because if I don't I I'll have so much free time and I'll just decide to do nothing. I know I have been battling that a little bit. And then at the end of the day. Just feel like crap. 'cause I didn't do anything so even if it's like trying to get a workout in organizing something or you know knocking out a bunch of emails or not that. There's a lot of emails coming in 'cause there's not going on but you know. I'm going to ask if you questions about your favorite stuff and then I want to get back to the record for a second pretty pretty tough questions here because they are all time lifetime favorites. So what is your? Who is your favorite artist of all time artists of any kind any format? Oh man like I know honestly I think overall with I. I know the most songs by the artist and tried to sing like her my whole life so I would say Leeann Womack. I think she really shaped how I attempt to sing songs in. Yes in C- staying at album release party for the first album and I nearly fainted like and she's so sweet so down to earth and I was just so star Struck. I think she was not expecting me to be that stars all right. Let's go with your favorite album. It doesn't have to be a lien. Womack record you have a favorite album that you go. That's the one for my lifetime. Oh my gosh I'm I'm sorry to be stuck on Leeann but the call me crazy album by Leeann is my well. Okay Oh dang that's so awkward. Okay I'm GonNa go with that one. Call me crazy. Leeann womack let me switch it up. Non-country favorite artist right now lifetime and you get one. Who is it Otis? Oh really and look at you. It's interesting you know. I'm always writing fan too. I like you know I think sometimes people here Otis reading and they'll here like hard to handle. What's the Black Crowes didn't go? He did that before. The Black Crowes made it a rocket I mean he has. He has so many songs concert way back in the day that other artists ended up covering to that you would really only from them. But I'm a big Otis Redding guy too. Let's see how about your favorite record knowing country country. Oh Dang that's so hard non-country good God. This is difficult. I'm GONNA go with. I mean I'm just going to go with something that I love right now. The Harry Styles. Fine Line records. Good is I know. It's really good and I I am. I have to say this because I'm an adult man. I am not a big Harry Styles Guy However I'm a huge styles guy. Now Dude okay. I so the first record that he released I love and I was supposed to go with one of my girlfriends to the Reimann to go see him and she had tobacco she got another tour and so I was like Jona. You gotta come to this concert. He's like oh no I'm not gonNA go see Harry Thousand. Little old girl screaming all this and I was like no you have like. I can't go by myself so we ended up going and JONA A die. Hard Harry South Bend now and he said the same thing you did. He was like I was not a Harry style guy and now especially by record to he is totally in and he's such a Rockstar like if you've seen him live it is insane. He just made timeless music on his newest record. Exactly exactly never. It does not fear like I mean. It just embodies a whole entire millennium. I feel like that's good man. I'm with you on that. Our favorite if you get one meal favorite meal you're celebrating. Your favorite meal is what I'M GONNA say Hibachi which is a little ratchet but is there a Hibachi town if it's like a year your birthday or you're celebrating something Yes but it's nasty. It's called Indie. I don't mean to bash them but it's like it's like Raunchy like it's not. It's like fattening. It's not like Benny Hana's where it's like you know vets. I guess that's not very fancy either but hey listen when I was a kid. We couldn't afford that. We're going to Benihana like once a year. If Church Youth Group had saved up enough money to send us because we yeah Benny Hana's once a year with my family and it was only for a birthday. That was that was the occasion. Well well well I WANNA make a couple of observations about the record. Because I've spent some time because I think you guys are great. I love sound. I'm fans. Obviously I'm a fan. Obviously I think because I. I do a lot of pitch meetings for TV shows. Because I've been creating some. Tv shows being on some shows and they always ask what is the show like and for a long time. I thought that what I don't want to compare it to anything else but I think comparing it to something. That is great now after doing this for Awhile is very complimentary and I was listening to you guys in. Someone asked me the question. What is it like this is what I would say I would say. It's like a little more emotional slightly more vocal powered the wreckers. That's what I would say. That's why I would say I was. If you like the record the records you're gonNA love this. It's a little newer. Meaning the texture the production but I think the vocals are little more pure. But I think there's a lot of the records there and I don't know if that is a compliment to you or not but to me that's a compliment. The records and I was so bummed out whenever they stopped making music because I love the blend of their voices and I loved how their audio engineer always He like road. The harmony with the lead vocals really high to where almost sounded like to lead vocals. Just different notes. And that's kind of what we went for. With this record we go back to the first record. You'll see like tastes vocal isn't as loud as it is on this and I feel like we really sound like a harmony van. We really you know because we weren't rush and we weren't you know eighteen years old and had no idea what we're doing time you know. We're kind of seasons. You know in the business after six years and we're like this is how we want it to sound. That's a huge compliment. I'm so glad I didn't read that note that you got. Did you ever say that anywhere that you love the records records last album or anything? Because I definitely wasn't derivative of anything I read. No I never liked. I mean I used to play lead the pieces all the free time and I just love their that whole entire album with so solid but no. I don't think anyone has been a proud. Pretty Awesome cloud of my analogy. Then yes and then she says well the you know the inge. The third engineer who was working in section C of the building that they had a microphone that was a DVD. And I'm like how did you even know this? Listen I hope everybody check it out. I'm proud that you guys have music. I love that you went ahead and put it out anyway because again if you don't put it on now who knows how long they're gonNA hold you and so well you know. I'm a huge fan of guys huge fan of you. I think you're so funny and I appreciate you spending time. And congratulations on on life and music and everything. Hey back at you. I'm so happy for you and and I'm just you know excited to see your face everywhere and always rooting for you. We're just grateful that you've always been so kind to us and supportive and thanks for listening to the new album because I value your opinion. I like your I like your musical like descriptions. I am intrigued by the way that you describe music and stuff so I love that you dug into all the songs and the record very nice. Okay you go back to living your life in Quarantine. Fix your phone on the time zone other than that. We're square here. I'll talk to you soon. We're about to talk to Jen Wayne from runaway. June who has corona here is a clip of runaway Jones. Big Song by my own drinks online. This she has corona virus a texture. And she's on now. How are you feeling fine? Now thank God. So when did you start to think that you were sick? So I March thirty first. Which was my mom's birthday. That's the day before my birthday. I woke up and I had kind of like a a little dry cough. It wasn't bad at all so I really didn't think anything of it but I had really bad body aches and so I thought. Oh maybe I just went and you know pushed it too hard on my run and it was really windy the day before. I just kind of shrugged it off. While the next day the body aches were just severe like I was just crippled. It felt like someone was literally crushing my back together. And so that's when I was like okay. This isn't normal but I never had a fever. Microsoft didn't get worse. It was just kind of just minimal. And so of course. I'm like looking up every kind of corona symptom corona virus symptom Blah Blah Blah. And I'd only been to the grocery store so I just couldn't imagine I would have gotten it. You know I've been secluded at home. You got it at the grocery store you think. Well it's the only place I've been other than. Cbs and They were only allowing twenty people in at a time at the grocery store and so there was like a line outside that you had to wait to get in and there was a girl in front of me coughing and I remember just thinking like. Oh this is how I'm GonNa get Krona virus and then I obviously just the joke in my mind and then four days later was when I got the symptoms. And I've been with my mom the entire time I've been here and that was the only time my mom didn't go with me to the store so and it was really windy that day. So I'm just so only thing I can think of that. The girl coughing and the wind was blowing right at Mana standing behind her west coast. Now Yeah I'm in Malibu with my parents I've been here the whole time. So got both of them didn't get it. They both got tested and It's been three weeks now. So we're in the clear but it's just so scary. I was just freaked out about my parents getting it. It did they take care of you and still not get it or do they. Just go up. Oh you go to that room. Lead up the door. Well I didn't even know I had it because I didn't have a fever and I didn't. Have you know the traditional symptoms but by the third day it lasted five days really of me being sick and by the third day of like my eight body aches. Not going away Dots when I was like okay. Something is really wrong with me and I was so fatigued I couldn't get out of bed like I couldn't go get something in the kitchen without feeling exhausted and having asleep when I got back to the room. So that's when I just started self isolating just to be safe because I talked to my doctor and they said well right now you know. The test are limited. So if you don't have a fever shortness of breath just act as if you have it so I just stayed in the background. My parents were like oh come on. You don't have it. You know. They wanted me to come to the dinner table for dinner. I'm like you guys know something is really wrong with me and so I just stayed back there and then I was just reading on all the websites that said. Wait seventy two hours from your last symptom before you you know. Stop self isolating so. I just stayed in my room. That whole time And then I felt better and I thought okay. Well I just had some crazy whatever flu or whatever had and then I lost my sense of smell and that's when I like. Oh Jeez that is what made me think. Okay I frigging hot this thing and so I waited in Lyon I drove. There was one place in in La doing the antibody test and I drove down there. It's like an hour and a half from my parents and they turned me away. 'cause there are too many cars and so. I went back the next day because I just had this weird feeling like I know I had it. I lost my sense of. I never had a head at a fever but all the other symptoms were grown virus symptoms so I waited in line for four hours to get the antibody test and sure enough it came back positive and I was just really in shock and then of course really worried about my parents and going through the timeline of Oh my God. I may still contagious. Are they need to get tested? And I was just a it was a emotional thing when you saw the test results. I said You have corona and obviously. You're feeling better but you still see it on paper. I mean is that like wow. I can't believe that I have the thing I've seen on. Tv that relates been sick on us. I mean it was a it was. I knew how to feeling that I had it. But it was still a shock to see it and then you know. It's this weird feeling of feeling like kind of like a leper like I'm like okay. I have two parents but I don't WanNa tell anyone else. Can I walk in the neighborhood can do it? It's GONNA I mean it. Just it's this weird feeling of. Oh now you're that girl with the virus the disease So that I think the emotional part of just the stigma of it. I think was really Difficult for me and then I went back and saw isolated even longer. They said wait. Seven days before you Seven days with no symptoms. Before you really can start going back out again so I just was wanting to be safe rather than sorry you know holy crap. I did see on your instagram. You said the event struggling with whether or not to share and then you had a sign of three things great before the first one said your parents not getting the virus which is crazy. They didn't get a especially because you didn't know you had it. That's that's crazy. I know the second says my body which I have so harshly judged in the past fought it off and kept me healthy. Talk about that for a second. Well that was just kind of a moment of Real gratitude for you know me being healthy and my body which of course Like worried about all the time and being on stage. If you feel like you're overweight or I don't know just I pick apart my body every single day of my life so It was just this moment of. Wow My body is what got me through this thing and I didn't have a severe case like so many other people so it just kind of was Brought me in check. You know really be thankful that I'm that I'm healthy and that I don't have to worry about things that some people that aren't healthy worry about you know my body is is. I'm able to walk and fight off the krona virus so just felt grateful. Dang Dang Dang that's crazy and right now you do you feel all the way back to normal. Yea It's been about A week of feeling all the way back to normal I felt fine but I just wasn't a hundred percent I just felt tired And I did have like a a pressure on my chest when I wasn't. I didn't have a difficulty breathing but I could just still feel it so I just took it easy and When I when I thought that something was wrong and of course I'm looking up corona virus symptoms and everything. I told a few people family doctors and they said load up on Vitamin C. Vitamin D Three Taga Mushrooms and zinc. And so that's why really. That's why I wanted to share because I of all the websites I was looking up all it had was information on what to do. You have it as far as isolating but it really didn't say anything you know what to do to take care of yourself other than if you're feeling chest. I mean if you're feeling struggling of breathing then go to the hospital so I don't know if that's what got me better. I just felt like that was something I needed to share. Because there's it's different for everyone. There's no proof of what works and what doesn't but that seemed to help me so I decided if I could help one person also just your immunity. Those vitamins are good in general. Even if you don't have it you know just stay. Stay strong and keep your immunity built when you did the test. Was that blood or they stick to nose. I did the blood so I went and waited to do that. Antibody test And it said it came back positive and it said that I was in the process of creating them. I guess there's two. Antibodies that you need one I- GM and ones. I G G and I had the I jam which means my body was still in the process of fighting it off so I technically still had the virus even though I didn't have symptoms anymore. So then they recommended I do the Slob For the CDC. To count it. So I did that too and that came back positive. Of course 'cause I had it So I am now waiting to do my second antibody test so that I can donate blood and plasma. 'cause that's definitely something. I really WANNA do. You find out if your all clear Tuesday. You nervous about that or no I know because I know I'm fine. If the virus is still in me it just means I have to wait longer but I know I've I'm on. It's been over two weeks of no symptoms. So I'm on the on the meant I just really. I've been hearing stories about like there's a firefighter in Torrance right now struggling with his life and they're begging for plasma and I'm like I'm here. I'm ready I called the Fire Department. I emailed them. I've sent my stuff to Red Cross so I'm just I want. I want to be over with so I can help people well. I'm glad you're healthy. As soon as I heard a texture I was like holy crap. How are you feeling because I assumed you were feeling better? If you announced it yeah and I wanted to wait and make sure that both my parents didn't have it and that we waited them out of time where you know. It was most likely that it was. I was not contagious I was laughing though. Bobby because I really did think about Bobby's. It's been washing. His hands for anyone else was here on. You're on top of the curve here Ryan. I listen I was judged harshly when I'm the guy with the mask on the airplane. Pre Corona people are like what's up with that we do now just one of the guys. Well I'm glad you laughing and I'm glad that you're feeling better. Hope your test comes back that you're able to donate and it's a selfless way to think and I also thought your instagram message. Things you were thankful for was was was a really nice thing to see so glad. You're healthy Gen. that's what it is. Well stay healthy and safe out there too and I can be everyone safe grocery shopper. Now invincible now. Yeah okay. Well Talk to you soon and hopefully Aussie relatively soon. Okay okay all right bye Jim. It's a basic trip. People meet each other. It's why Penn Fed credit unions. I members joined together for a better financial future for eighty five years. We've been there for our members communities and we're here for you today. We can help you. 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Arlo Parks Reminds Us That We're Not Alone

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Arlo Parks Reminds Us That We're Not Alone

"This message comes from. Npr sponsor nerdwallet. They bring together the smartest credit cards mortgage lenders and more so you can compare and shop all in one place for all your money. Questions turned to the nerds. Nerdwallet dot com. You're listening to the world cafe. Hey i'm kallio black dog. The phrase is slang for depression. It's also the name of a breakout song from arlo parks a song for the moment of twenty twenty if there ever was one even though it was written before the pandemic it poked at the heart of are still ongoing predicament. It's a reminder in a time of a lot of loneliness that were not alone for the past. Two years parks has been writing songs that touch on tough subjects but always with the attitude of overcoming them or as the song portrait. Four hundred says making rainbows out of something painful. It led to an incredible amount of buzz even before the release of her highly anticipated and may add very very good. Debut album collapsed. In sunbeam's i talked to arlo about where these character studies. Come from her work as an ambassador for a public health organization and she shares some beautiful performances recorded live for the show. Here's one of them. It's green is arlo parks on the world. Cafe in rice and beans ncaa by thank shula. It created thula. The puts you on my mind drag and fruit and peaches in china than these are of course we lasted whole public. Found is judge by fun does Folks wanted make you but you go to chastise you'll tyrants hopping card or you could make him. He died side so we lasted saw. Hulme handed foul judge full Make a trust a shot folks. H jani And that is our low parks with the performance recorded for the world cafe. It's green is. You can find the album version on her. Stunning debut collapsed in sunbeam's. I'm kallio on the world cafe. Arlo it's nice to meet welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. A pleasure collapsed in. Sunbeam's is a record that i needed and it came just at the right time. It is so good. There's a hook on the The last song on the album portrait four hundred That stuck with me making rainbows out of something painful and it felt to me a little bit like the theme of the record finding joy in tough places. How would you describe the record. I think for me it was an expiration of nostalgia. Really i took an inspiration from mining through the post and through my journals for the experiences that shaped me in the hut me and i feel like especially when you're a teenager you feel things so intensely and i wanted to kind of cats inaugu those those moments of joy and those moments of loss and it was a very kind of organic and fluid process. I would say it's bisley. That's the crux of the making rainbows. Outselling painful is kind of the out. The court record is it tough to go back and sort of relived these moments in time. Something that you wrote a journal and then trying to focus it in to something different trying to find a new message out of it. I mean i think the the experiences that about only album ones that i've been thinking about addison. They happened like they were kind of knowing me as it were and i felt like i couldn't help but writes about them so it felt very not true to me. You know i. I feel like that's something. There's nothing more natural to me than making an experience into into song. It's kind of how i process everything happens. We have another performance up next hurt. Where were you at mentally when when you wrote this on a lot of people have resonated with it It's interesting. Because i was i was going through this period of writer's blog and i think the me that's one of the most difficult places to in because writing is very much my my outlet and has been since i was seven years old and so i think i was feeling quite confused and feeling that pressure you know in terms of writing the album and I read this orgy load quote. That said pain will either change your end and not something the reaons by me to write this song. Let's hear it. It's hurt from arlo parks in performance on the world cafe Charlie trying his eyes for god's was solved ha would be lovely would be lovely to feel a lot much much. Walk jaw muscles his by swatch in twin peaks on his fad. His thing five stars to miss his You watch you shoddy started seeing star so stuck on the new j. Paul said macos stick into me on a call. Kweisi my wolves stall at dreaming of a house with red carnations by the windows. He didn't feel so small. So well by flows you live. Snow hassle much had so much love so much. It's low parks here on the world cafe with hurt. The debut album is collapsed in sunbeam's on the cafe. I'm kaleo talking to arlo. I want to jump back a little bit to. What got you interested in music in the first place. So i mean was music playing in my house. Everything from imos davis the loneliest monk to saw like many repetition and my mum really loved prince in all this kind of eighty s french since pulp as well and so that was playing in the house and i'd always felt like i gravitated tools music and motion. That was something really emotional about about music to me. I remember listening to sitting. On the dock of the bay by otis redding probably four or five and i remember just feeling kind of overwhelmed by this wave of warmth and i was like okay. This is. This is something that that i love that i wanna put you in some way and then over time especially in counting artists that kind of mixed poetry and music together it just seemed like a really pule form of of self expression and i started off with writing short stories and poetry and then i just picked up the guitar and started trying things myself. You said about your time in high school. Obviously by that point you were interested in music and songwriting. This line must have been quoted back to you because it's in your bio that you spell time feeling like the black kid who couldn't dance listening to too much him. Oh and having a crush on a girl and your spanish class. That's a really self aware. It's a really self-aware portrait. I it made me. Maybe think about confidence and i wondered. Where did you find your confidence to sort of pursue this I think throat for a long time. It was very much in a private pursue. It was something that i did in my bedroom. And i didn't really have the confidence to share it then. I think you know. When i started putting things on soundcloud it was kind of the thinking behind it. Was you know. Music is such a beautiful way of connecting people and helping people. And maybe the the i make has the capacity to help others. I mean i still get none of this. Like i'm sure of what i'm doing now. A little bit shorter than i was. But i still get another. You know in moments of self doubt. I think that's kind of paused. Being all his growing. We said you listen to too much more music. Did you ever consider joining a band. Actually making like emo rock music. No i think. I was too shy like everything that i did up until i was about. Sixteen or seventeen was very much just me alone in my room. I think that was something quite terrifying about the idea of you know writing with other people or sharing my work with other people. We're talking to arlo parks here on the world cafe. The album is called collapsed in sunbeam's When you sent us the performance for this next song you introduced by saying. It's the most important one you've ever written. And based on how people have resonated with it it makes sense. But you wrote this track before the pandemic which i found really fascinating. Where's your head at when you started with black dog. I mean i was. I think i was eighteen at the time. And i was still at school and a very close friend of mine was going through this radio dog time and there was definitely a sense of kind of confusion. an nfl just a sense of desperation mainly because the president was closest to was going through three something that i couldn't quite understand and felt like i couldn't quite how outlive than this song was definitely like an emotional outpouring oughta woods. I did have the sense that i had created something that felt really true. And that my actually be to help people out so that was an amazing feeling. Well let's let's have people to listen to it now and we'll talk a little bit more about what it's meant to those who've heard it after we hear the performance here is black dog. It's arlo parks on the world cafe. Black dog the song. That i'm gonna play next is probably the most important song written We released it during lockdown and as we all know that was a period of time where people were alone and quite low on this reminded. The you'll know alan so that going through a tough time it touches you in some way. But i appeal it in k. Look zicree all is thighs sometimes office. Let's go to and buy some fruit. How it to get you out. Just tie modest and eat some food. Do anything seemed to get you out here too to contact size of blocks. You try dots. The coda staw by holiday a to get here. Just tie modest holiday to to get so. It's arlo parks with a beautiful performance of black dog recorded life for the world cafe. Her debut album is collapsed. In sunbeam's leo talking to arlo. So it's a very powerful song. And i i'll be right. Black dog is an expression For depression correct. Yeah so in addition to creating the song that that really speaks to people who might be dealing with depression and let's talk a little bit more. Broadly joined the mental health organization. Calm as ambassador tell us what the acronym and a little bit about the organization itself. Yeah so The acronyms downs. Fool the campaign against living miserably under essentially they provide a free support in the full. Move a web chat and help line every day of the year for people who are going. Do you know mental health crises. And there's a low of information as well on the site. And i became an ambassador for them over lockdown and recently kind of recorded a poem as well to to support the coors into to show how thankful i was to to be a part of it. Because you know that mission is so important in an island said that if i did get to a point where i had a platform then i'd want to use it to take the people so i felt blessed to be part of it. What did you what have you learned. Or what is that experience sort of taught you because you know particularly in this last year. So many people are dealing with with mental health issues or having to address it for the first time. I definitely think it's opened my eyes to how many people need help you know in terms of in the country and on a global scale as well but at the same time you know doing doing research myself. I've also found that there are law of different places to get some pool whether that's from calm for mind and i really have spent like a lot of time collecting resources Trying to show them no with fallon's will even with people. I know who because it's been such a difficult year. And i think about you know even if somebody hasn't necessarily been given a diagnosis you know. Everyone has a mental health and ahead to take care of. And i think it's something. People should should invest time in. We're talking to arlo parks here on the world cafe. Debut album is available. Now it's called in sunbeam's I'm a fan of Proper nouns in songs i love. When there's there's more than just the general he she them. And i noticed that your lyrics embrace a lot of and then you know there are songs referring to you know people eugene violet carolina. George just to name a few You mentioned a little bit about this inspiration coming from from real life defined that your songs are almost entirely autobiographical or or do you find yourself having to sort of create characters or maybe a twist. The narrative just slightly. I mean one of the songs that i that i write a about stories that i've seen with my own eyes. I feel like the only time where i feel. Really an jevon or even compelled to write is when i'm experiencing something directly. What are those conversations like when you have to tell someone you've written a song about them. I mean they usually quite I don't know it's interesting. Like usually know for example with black dog separated about my best friend but conversation actually strangely brought us closer together. And i guess because the songs that i'm writing very much not trying to tell somebody story food than the more you know explaining how how i felt will how i was seeing things in in general been pretty positive. I've never had someone be like. No thankfully we're here with our low parks on the world cafe next you're gonna play. Mentions a person looking like gerard way. The lead singer. Mike chemical romance. Tell us about cola. This is the first one. I have a out properly. I wrote it and recorded it in this. Ibm being angel which is in north london. A seventeen at the time and yeah. It's interesting because this song is carried so far you know. I never thought that. I'd see billie eilish vibing cola on estimates to grab. I think i always feel quite emotional. When i play because it kind of reminds me of how far i've come. It's really great. Let's hear it. It's arlo parks with cola on the world. Cafe mates lonie. Coca cola is out checks to fallen. In surprise she's from report so Really card is you landau with this. Your taste shot in makes clack charted way in the back of the party throw enhanced she dragged all its You trust or with the black studs special so law adult kim You know i don't really 'cause you're running around Recorded life for the world cafe. That's arlo parks with cola. The debut album is called collapsed in sunbeam's That was a great performance. I wanna give credit Who's playing guitar alongside while you're singing. Yeah so that's alex. He has been playing. Telephone me for while it must be. Yeah about a year and a half now since my very first proper show and i feel so grateful that everyone in my bands such good friends with and all soup young interest experiencing everything for the first time. Which makes things break citing although it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for being on the show and when this does blow over we would love to see you on the cafe in philadelphia. Yeah it would be amazing. Yeah thank you. So much welcomed. That's arlo parks will be back in a moment with more world cafe.

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The Posthumous Hits Edition, Live from Seattle

Hit Parade | Music History and Music Trivia

1:29:15 hr | 2 years ago

The Posthumous Hits Edition, Live from Seattle

"Hi there hit parade listeners. This is Chris Milan fee with short. Disclaimer the show you're about to hear was recorded live in Seattle earlier this month at the museum of pop culture. It was an amazing night. However due to technical issue with the Mike's on stage and our recording equipment. We had some audio issues in the recording. You're about to hear in a few spots. Where I am talking over a song clip. I am a little hard to hear we've left in just a few of these spots. Which are fortunately pretty brief. We've also re recorded some of our guest intros where the audio was not up to snuff. So if you hear a few spots where the audio sounds different. That's why we did have a fantastic night with amazing guests and a lively pop confidence. And hopefully, our enthusiasm comes across here. And now on with the show. Please give it up for Christmas. Lampy? We've got the call. Welcome to hit for a podcast pop. Chart history from slate magazine about the hits from coast to coast coming to you live from the museum of pop culture, aka mo-, pop in Seattle, Washington. I am Chris Milan theme chart analysts pop critic writer of slates wise, the song number one series. And also a proud presenter at the pop conference mo- pops annual gathering of music academics. Critics journalists and all around obsessive. Obsesses we are here on the final night of pop con nineteen and as you can hopefully hear out there and podcast land. I am being joined tonight by a couple of hundred friends and colleagues say Hello friends. I want to take just a moment to explain to my listeners why so honored to be hosting an episode of my podcast right here. But maybe it is best explained by a man who has on occasion called himself king nerd. So naturally, I'm a fan of Seattle rock and roll museum, but keeps the music alive with their annual pup conference. It's a weekend long music festival in the tradition of Woodstock and Coachella. But instead of jammed your favorite band, your gym and a series of panel discussions and presentations of scholarly papers, you know, they're motto less rock, more talk. This year's puff conference has so many amazing dissertations once again, my scholarly paper did not make the cut this year. They have rejected self love in an elevator. Appalachian images of hedonism eroticism and the mechanized urban landscape in post comeback Aerosmith. You can believe that I for one would have loved to hear that Aerosmith paper. And as would be presenter. Stephen Colbert noted popcorn is indeed where music eeks go to probe the inner workings of what makes music tick dissecting, the art and the science of this populist craft does this sound familiar more than once fellow critics have told me they think of hit parade as a monthly pop conned paper turned into a podcast guilty as charged indeed two years ago this month. I announced the launch of this podcast right here at this conference just moments before delivering my twenty seventeen popcorn paper. Colbert would have a field day with this one lifting my voice plugging one ear charts based history of the charitable celebrity mega single. Three months later that paper became the fourth episode of hip and a couple of months after that my twenty eleven pop con paper singles going steady the record industry's vacillating relationship with the retail single is reflected in a half century of the billboard hot one hundred that became hit parades. Great war against the single edition. Touch this. If you've been enjoying this podcast, you have to pop on content without even knowing I personally have been attending popcorn for just over a decade since two thousand eight but the conference dates back to two thousand two when it was founded by academics. And critics Eric was barred an powers thank you, Eric and an and sponsored here for. And sponsored by the experience music project now renamed mope and for most of its eighteen years. It's been held every April right here at the museum's super cool building right next to the space needle designed by Frank Gehry pop resembles nothing so much as a Jimi Hendrix smashed guitar. I will not be the only music writer up here. Dropping science on you all tonight. I'm going to be joined by six pop conference presenters, all esteemed writers in their fields for many conversations about the legendary artists we're going to discuss in this episode. It's the kind of party only a bunch of cerebral culture vultures could possibly throw. Every year, the poverty organizers, pick a theme abroad topic around which all of the discussion will revolve for that year. This year's theme chosen by our fearless popcorn leader, Charles Hughes. And his organizing committee is only you and your ghost will know music, death and afterlife. I'm playing that song to lighten the mood as pop con go. This is one of the more provocative and morbid, but I will admit I was pretty sight. When I heard that this would be the theme for the pop con where I would be doing a live show because as you may have heard rock and soul have generated no shortage of material from and even about the great beyond. Moaning every every every movie and every cinema about death. That sells he's something about this that that so black. How much more black -display through his? Sure as none nuns lying. Rationalizing this. Spinal tap manager. Ian, faith has a point crass. It. Sounds death. Does sell we have decades of chart evidence tobacco. Sup on this? I'm going to present some of that evidence tonight. And as in our last live show in Brooklyn last year. I will also be inviting my live audience here in Seattle to take part by answering trivia questions. So without further ado, and at the risk of literally trivializing, the rock and roll afterlife. Let's get this night of the living dead party started. A posthumous is specifically defined as a song or an album recorded by artists that makes the charts after his or her death, depending on how many charts you look at. There have been dozens perhaps hundreds of such hits from Eddie Cochran who died way back in nineteen sixty. Miss for. This is like this the public collectively decides to focus their grief at the loss of an artist on one particular work a song or album that takes on new resonance in the wake of their passing. Indeed, speaking of wakes this chart activity serves as serves a ceremonial purpose. A mass scale eulogy often it happens immediately and in the twenty first century. Now, the charts are powered by instantaneous digital data billboard will often report sales or streaming figures just days after a death wherein the deceased material rises by thousands of percentage points tracking these posthumous chart moves might seem crass maybe even a bit gruesome. But the evidence is also revealing when confronted with the loss of a well known artist what of their work, do we organically gravitate towards how do we celebrate and mourn them when George Michael died on Christmas day, twenty sixteen unsurprisingly his most played song radio that day was Rams perennial and now sadder than ever last Christmas. But who might have guessed a few days later that the most downloaded song would be. His contemporaneous whim. Valid careless whisper it's suave sax. Now, suddenly turned sorrowful. Or when Tom petty died following on many of his most played tracks were build such as the wistful free fall or the defiance at the gates of hell, I won't back down. But I was charmed in that first week to learn that among his five biggest posthumous sellers was his nineteen Ninety-four stone. Dude, hit you don't know. How it feels? It's very title now sounding like an encomium. We will March hip parade to nine different weeks tester knowledge of the songs Americans requested bought and streamed in order to pay their respects. Let's get right to the first question. We're going back to the nineteen fifties and predictably the so-called day the music died, and I promise that as the last time you will hear that shopworn phrase tonight. So I understand that nine of our live ten dis tonight have been given numbers corresponding with our nine trivia questions. Can I get contestant number one? What is your Jennifer, Jennifer? Thank you. How many people in verse? And away. We go. Of these rock legends, whose the only one who wrote a hit that reached number one on the one hundred after February third nineteen Fifty-nine a the big opper- be buddy. Holly, see Ritchie Valens or de Dom McLean. Don mclean. Oh on the correct answer is c Ritchie Valluns. But thank you so much for. So the was strain on American pie. Don clean sings about people joins mothering. On february. Third nineteen Fifty-nine they boarded doomed four seat Beechcraft bonanza airplane taking off from Mason city, Iowa bound for Moorhead, Minnesota, a destination. They would never reach also fairly easy to eliminate his choice. AJ Richardson junior aka the big Bopper who is essentially a one hit wonder, albeit a pretty great hit. No. Yeah. This is the big Bopper speaking. The jolly Bava earned his legendary status for chantilly lace enshrined at the rock and Roll Hall of fame. It did make the pop top ten peaking at number six in November nineteen fifty eight. Lanes PANA per day of as. Hanging. The was having a hard time following it up. Even more self referential bottles away, barely scrape on thirty and its side little red riding hood peaked at number seven that leaves two candidates for posthumous hit making buddy Holly and Ritchie balance. Obviously hollies catalogue of hits is an American treasure trove and blueprint for so much of what rock would become and future decades. Among these three. Holly was the only one to score chart topping hit while alive peaking at number one on Billboard's best sellers in stores chart a precursor to the hot one hundred with that'll be the day on September. Twenty third nineteen fifty seven. The day. Bye. Finally in Ritchie vowels, not only was the young man born Ricardo Valenzuela the youngest of these three just seventeen the night of their fateful flight. He also had something special chart wise a hit that spanned the weeks before and after the plane crash. His tender ballad, Donna. It was at number three the week of the incident, but it reached a new peak of shoot threes later, given how much slower the charts compiled those days this February third nineteen Fifty-nine was essentially a meeting Donna was both balances and his first posthumous beside slot. They're out of a belief that it would be a tougher sell on radio was balances rocked up cover. No Mexican song. It was potent enough to charge right number twenty two in the early weeks of nineteen Fifty-nine just before the plane crash but decades later that song would become even more famous when two of the three stars from rox first major tragedy were enshrined at the cinema. Both Holly and values were the subject of rock bio-pics decades after their deaths. Hollies arrived in nineteen seventy eight with director, Steve rashes, the buddy Holly story a bio pic that one. Nearly universal acclaim for the Academy Award nominated lead performance by Gary Busey. Yes. That Gary Busey. Yes. And Oscar nomination and beauty won the national society of film. Critics Award for best actor besides renting the movie, you can still watch abuse performances Holly on YouTube, and he is indeed impressive actually singing and playing himself and fully embodying the young Holly. Say. Will. Nine years in the summer of nineteen thing director, Louie, La Bomba, the story of Richie Valance starring Filipino. American actor Lou diamond Phillips who like was considerably older at the time of filming than the deceased rockstar. He was playing LA Bamba was more of a popcorn picture earning. No nominations, but generally acclaimed for Phillips's performance and its portrayal of Chicano culture, both movies were modest hits earning a multiple of their respective budgets and both spawn soundtracks, but one soundtrack was a Curio the other phenomenon despite arriving in the same nineteen seventy eight summer that turned Greece's fifties. Nostalgia into a blockbuster. LP the buddy Holly story soundtrack featuring Gary bucy's performances of hollies material stalled at number eighty six on the Elbe chart in a fairly brief chart run. It split the market with a near near-simultaneous compilation of Holly's own material with the crickets twenty golden greats which wound up charting modestly higher at number fifty five. That Holly LP would eventually go gold the BCS album, not so much in theory, a decade later, LA Bamba should have done not much better it to a soundtrack filled not with original tracks. But with covers perhaps the crucial difference was that these covers were not by actor Lou diamond Phillips, although he does lip sync in the music video for the film's title track. That track was performed with furious energy by east LA band. Los Lobos who took both the Lebombo single and album to number one on their respective charts. As the album went double late summer and fall of nineteen seven which Valez had never been more popular. And for simply revamping Mexican folks from better he earned sole writing on hot one hundred number one day. It is a curious thing of public embracing art of fresh new by the nineteen seventies, buddy. Holly was a radio staple for all of us a plane his hauling mostly felt like act. A decade later a Chicano artistry younger with a much smaller Pavlak had the whiff of the new to generate a legend in sight. Richie hours in every intersection of this word with being. This episode of hip parade is brought to you by plug into the present a campaign raising awareness about electric vehicles. More and more people are discovering how electric cars can fit into their lifestyle with today's electric vehicles. You aren't limited to your work more and more models have a range of more than two hundred miles per charge. So you can drive just about anywhere weekend road trips out of town Aaron's you name it driving electric is just like driving conventional car. And there are a lot of fun to drive to have you ever. Experienced instant torque learn more about electric vehicles plug into the present dot com. That's plug into the present dot com. Today's episode is brought to you by diesels and Mero, the all new weekly late night talk show now on Showtime. The Bronx own diesels. Nice and the kid Mero bring their take on current events, politics, sports and pop culture, all while shooting the breeze with the week's hottest celebrity guests a new episode of diesel and Mero drops every Thursday at eleven pm only on Showtime. What is? Thank you for. What's artist scored the hot one hundred's I ever posthumous number one hit in nine hundred sixty a Otis Redding. Be Keith moon siege. Janice, Joplin or deed Jimi Hendrix. I think it's be Keith moon. So I'm down tween as C in days. Otis redding. That is correct. I what. Now, Otis Redding. I top the hot one hundred as a songwriter while he was still alive that happened. When this classic song respect was famously turned into a feminist anthem by Aretha Franklin her version of reading song hit number one in the summer of sixty seven but prior to his passing reading had gotten no higher on the hot one hundred the number twenty one with his nineteen sixty five Otis blue classic. I've been loving you. Too. Long are been. And even after his legendary Monterey pop festival performance in the summer of nineteen sixty seven all reading singles on stacks records and sister label volt fell well short of the top twenty on the pop chart, but that same summer is when Otis began writing song that would change everything just. Doc watching Thai. Sittin on the dock of the bay was not only read his soul number one. As an artist on both the hot one hundred and the Aren beach art, it was his only top twenty poppit and remains his perennial radio standard, but reading would not live to see its chart topping success two days after recording the song in December nineteen sixty seven with co writer and guitarist Steve cropper Reading's twin engine plane crashed near Madison Wisconsin, three months later for the week ending March sixteenth nineteen sixty eight dock of the bay was at number one the first posthumous chart topper in hot one hundred histories. To talk about this artist and song, I'd now like to bring up the first of my esteemed guests, Emily j Lordy is the author of black residents icon IQ women singers and African American literature and the thirty three and a third series book, Donny Hathaway, her music and book reviews have appeared on such sites as the New Yorker, the Atlantic our own slate the root the fater and the Los Angeles review of books. She is an associate professor of English at UMass. Amherst. Would you please help me? Welcome Emily, Lordy. So you've written about Otis Redding before most. Specifically, a wonderful Atlantic piece about nineteen sixty six is trial little tenderness in which you position that song very persuasively as a civil rights era song of resistance yet. Dock of the bay is almost the opposite of that deliberate attempt by reading to crossover and very different from his prior work on Stax, volt. Can you talk about where reading was at in nineteen sixty seven what inspired him to write the song, sir? So in nineteen sixty seven I think we see Otis both at the height of his powers and also very hard at work. So I think of sixty seven for him as almost what you often referred to on the show is the imperial period. Right. That he's on the verge on the brink of that that moment of incredible creative explosion and experimentation where an artist and kind of do anything and his fans will go with him dock of the bay is a good example of that. It does show him experimenting with different kind of static at a spare kind of. More folksy that he's drawing on influences like Dylan and the Beatles at that time. But you know, he's come off of and has gained confidence from this incredibly successful for spell European tour that he does earlier the previous year right with the stacks review. And then also, of course, his famous just, you know, incredible performance at the Monterey possible. As you've noted, and so, you know, he's working really hard in that, you know, that hard driving kind of gruff sounding soul that that we here in respect satisfaction. Try little tenderness, you know, his really like show stopping bring down the house closing song of his live sets. Try a little tenderness has taken a toll on his voice. And so he needs to get surgery on his Boca cords. And so he does he has to rest rest his voice rest body for a solid five weeks at the end of which he goes into the studio and. Records sitting on the doctor the bay which is a song that he had started earlier when he had been in San Francisco for the Monterey pop festival. So I see this as being about Otis at work. And in some ways, I do see as a song of social commentary. That's some ways about daily bers. If we think about the speaker of the song, not just as Otis Redding himself, but as is kind of persona of somebody who's left his home in Georgia headed to the I go bay he sitting there, you know, two thousand miles from home. What has brought him out here? Right. If not the promise of work, and is ICS kind of a, you know, work on the docks, which might not be available at this particular point. So what is there to do? What form of resistance? Do you have, you know, except in some cases, sit there and rest and to think, and so I see this as Otis resting himself resting his voice, and you know, just in that way, actually. Creating very different kind of Arctic statement. When you hear dock of the bay today, where do you place it in the legacy of Otis Redding? Well, it's interesting to me because I think this is often seen and music. Critics talk about this song as being this offense expression of Otis Redding Reading's true south. He's bearing his soul. He's really upset or he's sad. And you know, people also see it as a premonition of his death that it's a prediction right of the fact that he is about to die really only a couple of weeks after recording the song. But I see it in some ways. Yes. It's about this as I said, it's about his work his life as a working musician. Right. And the way in which musicians are laborers. They are temperate laborers, right? They're going where the work is going out on tour. And so he skied as a kind of social commentary about what is required. But tick yearly of black artists in an industry that is often built on black labor. And I see it that way in part because Otis commented on that on. The kind of conditions of black workers both on and off stage. So there's a recording that he does at the whisky gogo and Hollywood and sixty six where in the midst of this brilliant, tents kind of hard driving set of hits he stops. And he says to the audience. Do you see how hard we have to work to eat? You see hard. We have to work. He also apparently, you know proposed the idea of an all black entertainers union to James Brown, and he said we should band together. Yeah. To stop getting exploited by these white promoters, and managers and all the people in industry James Brown, refused to join forces with him for his own complicated reasons with the places that was his dream. You know that was one of his dreams he wanted to own his own label. He wanted to produce his own stuff. He wanted to be his own boss. He wanted to stop being the -sition where as the person sings in as speaker sings in the song, he's at ten people telling him, you know, what what to do. Right. And so I see sitting on the dock of the bay as in some ways, you know? Know about that resisting that, you know, saying if can't do anything else at least I can rest for a minute, you know, just sit here and think not everybody else's back in call in. Finally, I'll just say to that for that reason we can see otas working in this kind of motive introspective souls. We tend to think about SOLAS bigs tackler bombastic performance of the charismatic, especially male figure right salmon, Dave's soul, man. And hold on. I'm coming in these kind of big songs, they allow them Buckingham proud. But you know, there's also this quieter more introspective soul aesthetic that just reading is embodying here this moment where you're just going to turning inward. You're having a Solis. Oh conversation with yourself. Figuring out kind of what you need to do to go forward. And in that way, we can see this as kind of former owner to the kind of different Solis that's going to emerge in the late sixties and seventies. Like, an algorithm is a ks mini riverton. He's an unlikely. Precedent in some ways to that. That's excellent. Thank you so much. Exactly. Can I have contestant number three? Four. Hello. What is your name Sarry? Thank you so much for joining us. Are you ready for your question? Sure. All right here. We go. What early seventy smash became the second ever posthumous number one hit a the carpenters superstar be Jim crow. Ci time in the bottle see overs Presley burning love or d Janice Joplin me and Bobby McGee. So I have absolutely no idea this played stab at the dark. Go with DJNS Joplin me and Bobby biggie. Correct. Very nice. Written by Kris Kristofferson in nineteen sixty nine based on a suggested title by monument records, founder Fred foster me and Bobby McGee was not penned for Joplin. In fact, by the time, she got to it in late nineteen seventy it had already been in two short years a country hit for Roger Miller, a Canadian hit for Gordon Lightfoot and an album cut for everyone from Kenny Rogers. And the first addition to the statler brothers Christoffersen owned nineteen seventy version later used in the Monte Hellman road movie two lane blacktop is also memorable. Free. Justin, the phone nothing lead to new. Nothing named word nothing, but Joplin's chart-topping nineteen seventy-one smashing has basically overshot. Good was on this morning on very have chanice biographers, my guest, Holly, George wars addition to writing Janice her life and music coming this fall on Simon and Shuster is also the author of dozen plus other books Holly teaches at the state university of New York at new pulse. Would you please help me give a warm? Welcome to Holly, George Warren. So I read an interview with Fred foster where he said he originally couldn't picture, Janice. Joplin a hard rocker doing Bobby McGee which at route he heard as tender country song. How did she wind up with it? And besides obviously, the female perspective what Janice bring to the song. Well, basically her doing that song was a return to her roots like Kris Kristofferson, she was a native of Texas and she started out performing doing hillbilly blues country Austin, Texas when she was a student at UT in nineteen sixty two and she had become known. Yes. As a she was a screamer a piece of my heart, which was actually an Orrin b song by Irma Frank Cup in sung by Erma Franklin. You know, she became known as the screaming, you know, over the top raw emotive singer. But by the time, she started recording the songs for Pearl. She was learning to use more restraint and her vocals. Now the way she got that song. It's crazy story. But her manager, of course, was famous Albert Grossman also Bob Dylan's manager and also the manager of Gordon Lightfoot. Now, this amazing character in rock and roll history. Bob newer, who was known for you know, the aid comp of Bob Dylan had become that same role for Janice. He was hanging out in the office one day with Grossman, Gordon Lightfoot in they're playing guitar and plays me and Bobby McGee and Bob Newark's. It's like what does that song? I gotta learn that song. I gotta should the sewn, Janice. He had dinner that night with Janice. They'd already made a date. She always stayed at the Chelsea hotel. He went to meet her at the hotel player the song that he had just learned from Gordon Lightfoot. She's like, oh my God. I love that song. And she immediately. She had A Gibson hummingbird ATar and learned the play the song. And she ended up playing it for the first time. Actually, this was in nineteen sixty nine. She was still in the cosmic. Blues band of that time after she left big brother and the holding company. She ended up playing it for the first time in Nashville the fairgrounds there and the crowd went nuts. And of course, she introduced it by this guy. Kris Kristofferson, y'all might not know him. But he's going to be big. She did it again in Austin, Texas. And then she finally got to meet Kris Kristofferson that was she liked him. A lot. A lot of people like Kris Kristofferson at that time. But she she really she got the spirit of that song. She really got it. And she used a different kind of Janice voice, Janice. How a lot of. Ses. So given that you have just finished a biography of Janice. Thanks for the advanced copy, by the way, I'm so excited because it's terrific. How do you feel Janice? Biggest hit reflects her life. I I mean, I have too many people reduce Janice to me and Bobby McGee. Or does it reflect her artistry in her voice? It definitely shows how she could do so many different things with voice with the lyrics though. I mean, it really sometimes gives me a chill. She really did hitchhike from Austin, Texas with a guy named Chet Holmes and nineteen sixty three way before she joined big brother and the holding company. She went out to San Francisco for the first time to try to make it as a blues singer playing in coffeehouses, and she I met Jerry Garcia, and your McCallion then that period, and she really did snuggle with you know, shut and they got you know, rides picked up by truckers and stuff like that. So she really did live the words to that song, and they were seeking freedom Texas was very repressive. Then. She grew up in segregated town Port, Arthur, Texas that she was you know, couldn't handle living there and she loved San Francisco for the freedom that it offered her. So when you hear me and Bobby McGee on the radio to this day. I mean giving now you're kind of close relationship to Janice. Does it fill you with a certain stall, GIS or defection? What what enters your mind when I just turn it up baby. Now. And luckily for me, I live in Woodstock New York. So my station WGST plays a lot of Janice Joplin. So I'll hear piece of my heart blasted I'll hear her doing with her the cosmic blues span too. And maybe the shantelle sewn that she loved as a young girl growing up in Texas and the way she did that song a couple of other posthumous semi hits. They they did chart get it while you can now that one I tear up because those words do seem very Prussian for what sadly happened actually before she finished recording all the tracks Pearl is when she accidentally overdosed on heroin died. However can't thank you enough. This is great really appreciate it. Thanks. Oh, Lord, Shibam me. A Mercedes Benz my friends draft Porsche, she's must. We're. Left. No help from Frings. Shibam me a Mercedes bans Lord. I have contestant number four in the audience. My name is Chris. He's a Chris. Are you ready for question for sure right here? We go. Got drunk and hit already in the top ten in early December nineteen eighty soared to number one after his murder a just like starting over being woman. See watching the wheels. Ordine nobody told me. Wow. Wow. Everyone knows one. Let's go woman. I'm correct, correct. Answer was eight just like starting over. But thank you Chris for participating. The singles from John Lennon's nineteen eighty album double fantasy starting over woman and watching veal's are among the most famous posthumous hits ever given that Lennon's death remains the most media, covered and convulsive rock death of all time. One of these hits woman Lennon's Omar to collaborator and wife. Yoko Ono remains his adult contemporary radio standard to this day. But as this trivia question implies some may forget that the album's leadoff. Sing was already shaping up as a pretty major hit even before the former Beatles. Tragic death on December eighth nineteen eighty at the hand of Sassan, Mark, David Chapman. Just like starting. Over was a cheeky Omar to the rock and roll of Lennon's youth with John on the verses doing his best Elvis impersonation. No wants to. Twig. Starting over was already number six before Lennon's murder and rising to the top five the week. He was killed. We will never know how well would have done in a parallel universe where Lennon was not taken away from us at age forty, but as the lead off track to a very gentle reflective album that would soon become Lennon's epitaph the ironically, titled starting over holds a singular place in rock history. To talk about this Lennon hit I'd like to bring on as my next guest shack. Hamilton Jack teaches in the departments of American studies and media studies at the university of Virginia. He is also my colleague at sleep where he writes about pop rock and hip, hop, Lucy's sports and other areas of culture Jack's essential first book just around midnight, rock and roll and the racial immagination was published to great plain in the fall of twenty sixteen. Would you please help me? Welcome my colleague and good friend, Jack. How knicks? So Jack you've written extensively about rock and roll and its tropes. And this hit is all troop a song that wants to sound like the nineteen fifties. And it's coming out in one thousand nine hundred eighty at the start of the post disco backlash how much of this was Lennon just feeling the stall GIC. Do you think and how much of this was him channeling the culture to score a comeback hit? That's a great question. And thanks for thanks for having me. Chris. I really think it's mostly nostalgia. Lenin was a real hardcore nostalgic and had been for for really his whole career in a lot of ways, you know, the album the solo album that he made prior to double fantasy which isn't even a solo album because it's co credited him him and Yoko really, but was rock and roll which came out in nineteen seventy five which was an album of covers and covers of rock and roll songs from the fifties and early sixties, basically, and you if you go. And read interviews with him. You know, particularly the very famous nineteen seventy Rolling Stone Lennon remembers interview, you know, he talks about like, you know, rock and roll just like peeked with whole lot of shaking going on. And we're all trying to get back to that. Even when he's talking about the Beatles. He says like, oh, you know, we were at our best before we even started recording. You know that was like we wanted to get back to that. So definitely that style thing another thing like in terms of the anti disco thing Lennon by his own account had been really kind of checked out of music for the last five years. I mean, again, it had been five years since he made his last album he'd be spending a lot of time in you know, basically has a house husband raising raising Sean, and he gave an interview to playboy right, basically right before his death, very lengthy interview to David Sheff. And he says that he's all he's been listening to his music and classical music, and I don't really know if that's totally true. But like, I don't think. He was really plugged in enough to be sort of like calculatedly tapping the guys to be like, oh, this is what's gonna what's going to sell. And Lastly, I would just say that, you know, I'm personally, maybe more of a I'm much more of a Paul guy than John guy. But like we're happy tapping tapping into the guys kind of cynically to make that hit. That's paul. And you say that as a as a devoted, Paul? Yeah. Totally. I mean, that's that's that's a Paul move now to John fair fair enough. So it has always seemed difficult to me to take this single and album out of their tragic context and the system properly, I mean opinion on them swung widely both back then. And in the decades that followed almost forty years later now where do you think starting over and double fantasy sit in Lennon's Irv can we finally just regard them as music? No. I think I mean, I think it's I it's always gonna be kind of impossible to separate them from their context. The great critic Simon Frith shortly after Lenin's death wrote an obituary for him or sort of eulogy in New York rocker magazine and Frith has amazing line where he says, it John Lennon was the only rock singer who could sing the word, we convincingly, which is just an incredible thing to say, and it's just like and just like starting over is a we song, you know. And there's an aspect of. That I think resonated with his fans, we're obviously he's singing it presumably to Yoko. You know, it's a love song. But it's got that. It's the word. We I think is in its opening lines are or that sort of first person plural construction. And there's this way that this song kind of registers him like you can almost hear it registering with his fans, that's sort of like a there's an intimacy to it. And it's also just I mean, I don't know the circumstances around John Lennon's death are just so sad. And there's something about double fantasy when it came out. It was when it first came out has received mixed reception. And a lot of critics knocked it for being, you know, it's like, oh, it's just as middle aged guy talking about sort of being happy and kind of board which was something that got knocked for at the time. And like in retrospect is one of the most charming aspects of albums, certainly watching the wheels. I think is actually an even better song in this one -nificant better, partly because it's so. So it's about such an interesting topic, which is basically being middle-aged, you know, and being this sort of like, I'm just sitting here watching the wheels round and round. And it's kind of fun. You know, and like everyone thinks I'm crazy because I'm not really doing anything. But you know, this is this is what I'm going to do. And that's like an interesting thing to write a song about. Yeah. So I mean, I really think that. Yeah. It's really it's really difficult to sort, and it's also just such a moving document of his relationship with Yoko and his sort of love their love for each other thinking about Yoko as someone who just put up with so much abuse from his fans, and sort of rock fans, you know, a lot of which was very sexist and racist, and a lot of it was just sort of fans being kind of obnoxiously proprietary over this this idol of there's this sort of equal part album this double album that sort of have his and half half hers and just the way that it's just it's really expression of a really romantic, but also very dolt type of love and devotion. Shen is just it's really special. And you know, it's not a I don't think it's it's a perfect album by any means. And there's you know, but at the same time, you know, like if you wanna ding it for like, it's I personally don't think it's super well produced F Lee sounds like an album that's made by someone who hasn't made music and five years. But like that said, I mean like I feel like a jerk for for saying, you know, about this field. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just sort of. It's really hard to separate it from from the from the context, I think it always will be it would be impossible to write a review of this album. That doesn't reckon with the fact that he dies weeks after it comes out, Jack. Thank you so much. That was extremely helpful. Hello. And what is your name? So much for joining. Thank you. Are you ready for question? I am. All right. How long after the death of Freddie, Mercury did the movie Wayne's world debut in movie theaters, a less than two weeks be less than three months. See more than a year or deep more than two years. I think I'm gonna go with seem more than a year. I'm sorry. The correct answer was be less than three months, but thank you so much participate. To be exact it was eighty two days between November twenty four ninety one, Freddie. Mercury died of bronchial pneumonia, resulting from aids and Valentine's Day, nineteen Ninety-two. When Wayne's world opened this story. I'm about to tell is not captured in the recent Queen bio pic also called bohemian rhapsody, which ends in one thousand nine hundred five six years before mercury's death. Of course, a lot of things about the band were not captured in that blockbuster now Oscar winning film, but why quibble it's such a true to life picture other than the fact that Queen weren't broken up prior to Live Aid, Freddie, solo album didn't upset the ban. Fat bottomed girls. Didn't come out in nineteen seventy four John D wasn't part of the original band. We will rock you was released in nineteen seventy seven when Freddie had no mustache, Freddie, met his partner. Jim Hutton at a club. And Freddie didn't reveal HIV status in nineteen eighty five. It's a perfectly entertaining moving. This is pop con we care about the details here. The film ends well before the improbable second act of the song bohemian rhapsody in Wayne's world. Although it is alluded to by the casting of Mike Myers in a small cameo. As Ray foster a record executive who also did not exist. But the omission of the songs nineteen Ninety-two comeback is a bit of a pity because as true stories about Queen go bohemian second act is one of the best in early nineteen Ninety-one before anyone outside of queens, inner circle. New Freddie was at death's door Paramount Pictures green lit a movie based on Wayne's world. A series of wildly successful Saturday night. Live sketches depicting, Wayne and his buddy Garth on cable access TV show lead actor Mike Myers had always planned for his Aurora. Illinois, dude, broke character Wayne Campbell to head bang to Baheen rhapsody. The shooting of the film was reportedly and infamously tents with Myers at one point even threatening to walk if rhapsody could not be cleared for use in the now famous car. Scene. I think we'll go the little bohemian rhapsody, gentlemen. Good. Call. Nice E little silhouette of. When the members of Queen were approached by the Wayne's world producers for clearance of the song guitarist, Brian May brought the video clip that they furnished of the head banging seen to lead singer and Brahim songwriter. Freddie. Mercury. The Elling mercury was reportedly charmed and booed by the clip, which he felt captured the comic manic spirit of the original song. He approved the clearance for the film in essence mercury while still alive was about to not only give a second wind commercially to his most famous composition. He was writing his own epitaph. As I noted in our hip rate episode about the history of the UK Christmas number one competition, queens Baheen rhapsody was a massive British hit just before Christmas nineteen seventy five in its original release it topped the UK chart for nine weeks setting a record at the time as the biggest selling British single ever. It would return to number one at Christmas nineteen Ninety-one just after mercury's death for another five weeks. The. Second UK run was a bit smaller. But then the I was so massive to begin with. But here in America. The story was the opposite bohemian rhapsody was a bigger hit the second time. Arguably the biggest posthumous rerelease in hot one hundred history you see in the mid nineteen seventies Queen were slower to break in the states. It took until mid nineteen seventy five more than a year after their UK breakthrough for Queen to even make the US top forty with killer Queen. Tendency with. One year after that in April nineteen seventy six Kenyan rhapsody was queens top ten US breakthrough Casey Kasem counted it down America. First time in the top ten for Queen from England at number nine this bohemian rhapsody. Is this number nine was as far as Baheen got in that nineteen seventy six run. But fifteen years later, the one two punch of mercury's November ninety one death a gut punch. She might call that. And the more joyous February ninety two release of Wayne's world. Now, an unplanned tribute to mercury would make bohemian bigger than ever, however, accidental all of this was queens label and promotional team did take full advantage of the coincidence and MTV played a key role. The original nineteen seventy five music video for Baheen rhapsody was innovative for its time. Six years ahead of the official launch of music television after mercury's death MTV put the old seventy five clip back into circulation, then in the winter of ninety two queens American label Hollywood records. Furnished a new version of the video the juxtaposed scenes from Wayne's world with mournful worshipful shots of the now deceased mercury with Mt. TV power rotating, both videos Queen re entered the hot one hundred in March nineteen Ninety-two one month after the movie hit theaters and sixteen years after the songs first hot one hundred run seven weeks later bohemian rhapsody reached a new peak of number two on the hot one hundred sandwiched between the number one jump by Kris cross and the former number one save the best for last by Vanessa Williams. The Wayne's world soundtrack topped the album chart in may nineteen Ninety-two powered by queens. Classic single. Speaking of classic Queen amongst later, a compilation by that title reached the top five in short, six months after Freddie mercury's death aggregating all of this chart activity the hottest band in billboard in the spring of ninety two was Queen was this the real life. Was it just fantasy never one to shy away from the limelight? Mercury would have been proud. All right. We're going to move on now to question. Six. Can I have contestant number six? What is your Paul Paul participating ready? All right here. We got. A decade after the death of Karen carpenter which nineties all truck act, scored a top thirty modern rock hit with a cover of carpenters. Single a the cranberries be Cheryl Crowe C four non blondes or d sonic youth. Say show crew be. Correct answer is d sonic youth. German. Written by Bonnie Bramlett and the on Russell superstar has been recorded men times. But no version was a bigger hit than the version by superstar sister brother duo, the carpenters whose death Lous version reached number two in the fall of nineteen seventy one. Twenty three years later in the fall of nineteen ninety four the carpenters were the subject of Courtney, but loving sivy. If I were are the Alba served as generation X posthumous tribute to Karen carpenter who had died more than a decade earlier in one thousand nine hundred three from heart failure associated with anorexia nervosa the album offered affectionate covers from all of the artists. I cited in that trivia question, plus American music club, shown knife, and bettys avert among others. Karen carpenter is also the subject of a brand new book from my next guest, whom I am honored to bring up. Now. Karen Thompson is the author of why Karen carpenter matters. I was lucky enough to see an advance copy. And it is a powerful and moving book. She is also the author of relocations queer suburban imaginary is a professor at USC and co editor of the award winning book series post millennial pop you can also hear Karen talk about the arts, entertainment and popular culture on the delightful. Weekly maximum fun podcast. Pop. Rocket would you? Please help me give a warm. Welcome to my dear friend and mutually proclaimed eighties girlfriend. Karen toxin? I want to focus our discussion on the carpenters. Nineties rehabilitation because unlike the other arts were discussing today, the carpenter scored all their big hits one Karen was still alive this tribute album was sort of Karen, carpenter's posthumous moment. But I think you and is gen Xers who appreciated Karen Richards music, the first time both have mixed feelings about this hipster reevaluation. So how did you feel about if I were a carpenter in nineteen ninety four and how do you feel about it? Now. In the historical parlance of homosexuality of which I very deeply identified. From the nineteenth and twentieth century. There is a snow Shen. Call a beard, and if I were carpenter was the sonic beard to my shame about like loving the carpenters in the nineties when they couldn't be loved openly for a period of time. And so once like all these mazing bins who are accepted and loved in that period, adored them and made these covers I felt completely safe in cloaked in my shame around the carpenters from that album. So that's what I have to say about that. So has it age? Well, I mean, did you did you like it better? Then do you like it better? Now, I have to say like, you know, I enjoy the album, then I felt it was a great cover cover of covers. Right. So it's like it's an album covers that like made so many identification possible because in the nineties, I think that we were all searching for different versions of authentic city. And you know, however, we wanna frame that historically or whatnot. Like once that album came out. And there were these kind of dour reassessments of these carpenters songs, sonic youth's cover being of superstar being one of them. You know, you had to like really rethink. Okay. Well, it's much deeper than that frothy in studio big like horn sounds and great arrangements situation things. But in the end like I fundamentally found the tracks on if I were a carpenter the ones that I found most salient to me were the ones that were closest to the spirit of what cairn Richard did in the original in. So, you know, sorry, folks, the sonic youth version of superstar I'm not into it. And you know, I much prefer something like Betty severity for all. We know or or even the cranberries. God bless you Doloresa Reardon. Yeah. Her version of close to you ever close. You was much closer to my spiritual affiliation a quarter century after if I were a carpenter, and especially after writing this book where would you locate her and their legacy? I think it's about the reassessment of our own relationships to music broadly. I mean, it's way bigger thing than saying people like them people don't like them. But I think that like the way we assess acts like the carpenters if not explicitly the carpenters says as much about our desires for how we feel we relate to music how much we invest our own levels of coolness or acceptance around who we like who we proclaim we like, despite the fact that I argue why Karen carpenter batters in the end, it's like the legacy of their music is about the stubborn attachment that we all have to this music that moved us that made us feel a certain way. But that we disavow because of various reasons, and it doesn't just apply to them as artists, but to others who disavow I just want to and I hope that we don't need an album like if I were a carpenter to validate. The loves that we have around popular music around. The sentimental attachments that we feel when we are coming of age in that Karen carpenter as an example, Kim just like allow us to I don't know feel like that that joy that attachment that pleasure in the voice that gives us the things that we feel in love. Why certainly cosign all of that? Karen? Thank you so much for so much as boyfriend. You can't. They get good and sweet. Can I get the contestant for questions seven? Hello. What is your name, Barron? Aaron thank you so much for joining us here tonight. Are you ready for your question? Yes. Right. On your bombers MTV unplugged in New York, Kirk Cobain played three covers backed by artists to originally wrote and performed them. Which of these was not one of them. A the man who sold the world be plateau see me or D lake of fire. Good clover. I'm going to have to admit I've never seen the MTV's unplugged nirvana. That's bad thing. I know no, no shape. But I'm going to I'm Canadian come on. I'm going to say the lake of fire. I'm wrecked answer was a the man who sold the world. But thank you so much for participating. The key to this question is knowing whom Kirkeby have on stage with them. Obser- Kurt and. Of the cobaine shows to cover three of their songs plateau OMI and lake afire from their nineteen Eighty-four psychedelic cow punk album meat puppets to. Many skill the grand face the latte. Some strange Cobain did not have onstage with him that night, David Bowie whose man who sold the world of on reforms earlier. Last fall when I asked Charles Hughes organizer of the pop conference if this year's theme of music, death and afterlife had been chosen specifically because pop con would fall immediately after the twenty fifth anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death. He told me it was just an uncanny coincidence. When I got over my chills, I realized we would have to commemorate what I and many critics feel is rocks. Most famous self directed funeral recorded live in November nineteen Ninety-three and rebroadcast practically on a loop on MTV in the days after fans learned on April eighth nineteen Ninety-four Cobain's suicide Nirvana's MTV unplugged was a unique fully conceived. Swansong I know I am not the only gen-xer who switched his grief. Rewatching this performance when it was released as the album MTV unplugged in New York later that year in not only debuted at number one on the album chart typical for nirvana after their breakthrough. It was ultimately certified five times platinum on a par with their studio album in utero and second only to the total ten times platinum. Never mind given the timing of our show tonight. I am especially fortunate to have as my guest Charles r cross who has written nine books, including the great heavier than heaven, the biography of Kurt cobaine, a New York Times bestseller and winner of the two thousand to ask award for outstanding biography, he is also the author of room full of mirrors, the biography of Jimi Hendrix and was the co author with an and Nancy Wilson of kicking and dreaming a story of heart soul and rock and roll. Would you please welcome Charles r cross? One of my favorite anecdotes about unplugged. From your book was the MTV producer who asked Cobain, whether the black candles and stargazer lilies. Requested for the stage where you mean like a funeral and Cobain responded that that was exactly what he will what he wanted in the quarter century since this event. Have you come to any conclusions about Kurt's own self awareness that night in other words, did he at some level? No, he was staged directing his own memorial service in some ways. I don't think he did. I mean, remember Kurt dies, April fifth nineteen ninety four and he had had near death instances throughout his life. There are at least ten that family members talked about and there's an overdose in March and Rome. But I think there was the sense that he knew he was coming to the end of his addiction that that that sort of meaninglessness of what that life was at that point. I think he felt that the end of the run it was the end of nirvana. That's one of the things that. People do not talk about nirvana was basically broken up at the point Kurt died in many ways, Kurt wanted to do something different. But, you know, nirvana as it had been the punk rock shouting Kurt was done with that. Opinions about this album as an album are pretty uniformly positive, but I've heard some call it the easiest way interval. And then conversely, I've heard it as an album that captures their influences and Kurtz quirks, where do you think falls in Nevada body of work and all these years later, what is its legacy? Well, it's legacy is that it is the first place many people discovered vulne in your earlier quiz taker I will buy a copy of unplug for anybody that wants it. And if you don't like it, let me know, but it's a guaranteed any nirvana fan or anybody that loves music just simply love the way, they approach these songs, Kurt essentially, re crafts von ah. He re crafts the idea of punk song writing in this one ninety minutes. He kind of takes these songs that we know is these loud screamers and Shouters any strips them down to sort of untarnished blue songs, which is what they are at their heart. And in some ways, I. I think it's a great critical moment because he links modern rock and roll with stuff from the plantation in the ice houses where rock began. Nobody thought that was possible at an unplugged to call Nirvana's unplugged. The greatest unplug it that's like the understatement of the century. It's it's the greatest thing that ever was on MTV. Do you have a favorite track on MTV unplugged one that kind of encapsulates the album for you? I love something in the way. I mean that is a track that where do you sleep last night? I love every song on this. You can't you can't miss because you feel the vulnerability of Kurt like essentially almost breaking he is breaking down on stage in yet. You also feel when he looks at you that you have the I contact more than any other performance. That nirvana did you feel you really get Cobain onstage? I'm relying on my memory here. But I remember you also said something interesting about his performance that night of penny. Royalty that it had kind of. I don't know an ache to it. Well, there is this kind of deep heart pain that you can feel in penny. Royalty a song Kurt had been working on for quite a while. And that when it finally came together on in utero. It's it's a monster pop hit. But he takes it on plugged in you feel when. You watch that performance that he's not maybe going to finish it. And that's the kind of owner ability that what makes this so special. Charles cross. Thank you so much for joining tonight. I really appreciate. Is contestant. Number eight ready to go. And here he comes. What is your name? And are you ready? So ready? All right here, we go. All of these nine hundred ninety seven hits feature rapping by the late. Notorious B I but only one opens with him wrapping which want a been around the world be MO money MO problems, see hypnotize or d it's all about the Benjamins remix. Well, we know puffy has put his fingers on a lot of stuff. Right. So we're gonna limit some of those. So we're going to go with C hypnotize. And that is correct answer is c straw. Coming. Instinct, don't mean shit stink. Most rap histories pair Brooklyn born Christopher Wallace. Aka the Notorious B I g with two Pasha core. His west coast counterpart slash rival slash fellow victim of hip, hop most fatal nineties war, but on the charts. There is a distinction between biggie and to POC POC scored his hot one hundred chart topper the double sided hit. How do you want it and California love in the summer of nineteen ninety six while he was still alive? Biggie on the other hand never lived to see his name on top of Billboard's flagship sharks killed in Los Angeles drive-by shooting on March ninth nineteen Ninety-seven. The Notorious B I g went on to become that year's most omnipresent musical figure as a ghost biggies prophetically titled life after death his Sean puff daddy combs produced second album topped the billboard two hundred album chart less than three weeks after big's murder, and it spun off two number one singles making big the only artist in history to top the hot one hundred twice posthumously. As my trivia question. Implies puffy was all over biggie. Singles only hypnotized is credited solely to big and features. No, wrapping by puff daddy on the summer, jam MO money. Mo problems biggie is the lead artist, but puffy and his fellow bad boy label. Rapper mace. Do all of the wrapping for the first two verses biggie doesn't show up until the song is more than two minutes. Info the. With. My final guest tonight will walk us through these big hits. Oliver Wong is a professor of sociology at California State University, Long Beach and has been writing on using and culture since nineteen ninety four. He currently co hosts the maximum fun podcast heat rocks, which I was delighted to guest on recently. Would you please help me? Welcome my own west coast counterpart, Oliver wall. This is awesome. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I know I am. So as I said in my intro big into Pokka forever. Be joined at the hip, historically, but the flossy peak puff daddy. Sound of these two hit seems specifically east coast to me as a west coaster yourself Oliver and someone who's paying close attention to movements and wrap in the nineties. What was your perception of biggie at this imperial moment. I was thinking about this because I think in the years between ninety four ninety seven really there were no artist, I think no single artists or groups that had an imperial phase beyond the collective the Wu Tang clan because it was such a fervent era, and I'm going to do a deep dive real quick is between ninety ninety four ready to die ninety seven is life after death. These are all artists who had debut major label albums during that time. Besides biggie noise. Outcast method man, the roots Ray, Kwan Alderney bastard, cheesy goes, face, Killa, and Missy Elliott. And this isn't include artists onto their second third or even four thousand deep the Fujii's de LA. So you g k and Scarface all of which is to say. I don't think biggies rise into imperial phase to me ever felt inevitable up until the moment that hypnotized came out. And then of course, is death took it another step. I think what was to me the most intriguing part of that that lead up is that him and puffy I thought made very smart decisions about how to put biggie. Keep him in the mix without over exposing him. So he was on totals. A total song kit. You see junior mafia get money and players anthem. He Cam yet. Geez. Brooklyn's finest. And so he was very well poised coming into hypnotize. And I think I remember most about when that song I hit it just opens you're talking about how he this is the song that biggie leads on that song just opens like a thunderclap and on a side note. It educated a lot of people that her bell. But did more than just whip cream and other delights. And yeah, it was such a mantra single, and sadly, what took things over the top into the imperial phase as you put it was his murder in his death, which I think really sealed everything and made him irresistible and undeniable for that for the rest of ninety seven so did more money more problems, which is posthumous hit to that feel like a categorically different hit to you. Or did it feel like a different side of the same coin? In a weird way. It's kind of weird a safer posthumous hit it felt almost like a victory lab because at that point life after death, especially as double. Album was selling buckets biggie was everywhere in in mass media, even though obviously he was gone, and maybe just because also the topic of MO money more problems. It's about the spoils of success. And so the song it self almost seeps in the fact that like biggie was the biggest story ninety seven for all the wrong reasons. Sadly. Life after death still ranks as one of the biggest selling rap albums of all time. So it's commercial prowess is secure. But what do you think biggies legacy is? And the timeline of hip hop. What is his role in growing rap into the dominant force that it is today. Well, I'm gonna start with a a mildly hot take which is to say that biggie dying at the top of his fame. But having a very small catalogue means that we never had to suffer through him falling off, which I happen to a lot of his contemporaries who who are all vying for greatest of all time rapper status but there late mid late career had mediocre stuff. So you think you're Jay z Eminem. Nauseous, your little, Wayne's, etc. We never had to see that happen to big. I think for that reason those two albums and that ninety seven year really helped to fix his status in that sense to enter a question, though, the thing that I remember most about biggie and to pock is that what took him to the top asides their lyrical. Talent was there were two. The most charismatic rappers that hip hop is ever seen big ticket. And I think biggie was even more than two pock was the consummate crossover artists in terms of being incredibly appealing to mainstream pop listeners without ever losing his reputation amongst the quote, unquote, route fanatics are hardcore hip hop heads. And that it's to such an extent that even twenty two years later anyone vine to be the best rapper live is always going to be within big shadow and chasing this ghost and largely. I think in vain. This is excellent. Thank you so much all of my poetry. Bell school with about a mill is broom. All the old nearing the end of our program. We have one more trivia question. And I'd like to bring up a contestant number nine. Thanks for joining us. What is your name? Ready for question. Number readies. I'm going to be all right. That's the spirit. Which music legend who died and twenty sixteen did not earn pasta number one album, a David Bowie. Be a tribe called Quest's dog. See prince ordeal. George, michael. Tough one. I. Think it's gonna be fife. The correct answer is George, Michael. But thank you very much for participating. Although mind going with something. So this will be our last story, which I will take myself, and I must say it is appropriate that I'm telling this not only at the pop conference, but in this beautiful space that mope calls sky church. That's because three years ago this month. I on the pop con organizers put together a loose lunchtime panel to commemorate all of the music luminaries who were dying that year as an entire generation of baby-boom rock icons ages into their twilight years, the twenty tens in general has been tough for music fans. But twenty sixteen felt particularly cruel with the year barely a quarter over and including a few luminaries who passed in the final month of twenty fifteen we'd already lost everyone from David Bowie to earth wind and fire's MAURICE white to Keith Emerson to Natalie Cole to Glenn fry to stone. Temple pilots, Scott Weiland to motor heads, lemme to Merle haggard to Jefferson airplane's, Paul cantor to a tribe called Quest's fife. So about a dozen pop content dis did our best. Wake the dead with a series of mini eulogies of most of these artists and all of this happened on April seventeenth twenty sixteen that data's important. If the conference that happened just four days later, we'd have had to absorb the devastating body blow of the untimely passing of prince on the charts of twenty sixteen music fans were doing their best to absorb the grief of so many music stars deaths. I already talked earlier tonight about George Michael who's Christmas. Twenty sixteen death prompted a boost in his sales streams airplay, but no one song or album dominated enough to top the charts, especially in the closing days of the holiday season. But the other three artists I mentioned in the trivia question all did top the charts from the great beyond and touchingly all three did. So in ways that were true to their idiom famously in an almost Cobain like fashion, David Bowie prepared his own epitaph with his final studio album black star infused with themes of mortality and some of the spookiest. Most free form material of his long career Bowie's twenty fifth and final disc might rank as the most well-timed well-coordinated swansong in rock history. As if knowing the album was his last will and testament Bowie released it on his sixty ninth birthday, then died two days later on Sunday January tenth twenty sixteen. Tony Visconti Boase longtime collaborator and the producer of black star called it Boase. Parting gift. Black star stormed up the charts debuted at number one on the billboard album chart and knocking out adele's blockbuster twenty five in the process, like his friend John Lennon who in nineteen eighty had a similarly self reflected oddly well-timed new album and stores just in time for his passing Bowie had given the public a new work by which to focus their grief. Unlike linen who had scored several number one albums both solo and with the Beatles. Blackstar was amazingly the first chart topping album of Bowie's long career beating the number three peak of nineteen seventy six station to station the number four peak of nineteen Eighty-three less. Let's dance and the number two peak of the twenty thirteen comeback. The next day Bowie wasn't the only chart topper twenty sixteen to die right before a well-timed elegiac final album, consider fife dog of a tribe called quest. After a nearly two decades. The rap troupe had quietly reformed only half a year before his death. At age forty five after a long fight with diabetes. Fife reportedly didn't believe the sessions that he and his estranged friend and fellow emcee q tip were recording in secret would ever amount to so much as an EP much less than album, but fife recorded enough material in his last months to infuse quests final disc with his signature wit and exceptional flow. The smog of media falls now guys that came up. We not to single the boss is that because this off is feet betting street. Smart people. Some of the things, Danny. About eight vigil owned it talking about before his passing. Help. One my polish caps. We got it from here. Thank you for your service. That title seemed even more apt when the album dropped on November eleventh twenty sixteen three days after the election of Donald Trump as America's forty fifth president one night later a tribe called quest delivered a fiery performance on Saturday Night Live joined by taped rhymes from their deceased brother and a large cloth effigy of fife onstage eight days after that billboard announced that we got it from here had become a tribe called Quest's first number one album in twenty years since one thousand nine hundred six is beats rhymes and life both Bowie and fife went into their final studio albums, knowing at some level. They were not long for this world, it safe to say prince, however, did not operate under a similar mindset, he moved through life as if he'd be here forever. The passing of prince Rogers Nelson was hard for many of us. Maybe the hardest musical loss of two thousand sixteen which is. Saying something in a year when an icon like David Bowie dies on April twenty first when news spread of his accidental Fenton overdose at his paisley park home and recording studio in Chan Hasson, Minnesota radio stations filled with prince music the cello on the otherwise whimsical raspberry beret blaring from my stereo that afternoon had never sounded. So more. He just issued a pair of new albums hit and run phase one and face to the previous fall normally artists newest album is the first to benefit from an untimely passing life. Boeing with his two day old black star or John Lennon's roughly three week old double fantasy at the time of his death. But prince's to hit and runs were not quite immediate enough or commercially potent enough to serve as the locus of fans grief in the days just after his passing instead Americans chose to celebrate prince by consuming. Well, a little of everything prince died on Thursday the last day of Nielsen and billboards tracking week and yet based on that one day of digital sales six prints singles re entered the hot one hundred the following week and that one day of sales gave prince his first number one album in a decade as the compilation the very best of prince topped the billboard two hundred for the first time right behind it was purple rain prince's nine. Nine hundred four magnum opus back in the top ten for the first time since one thousand nine hundred five the next week with another seven days of sales all six of these classic print singles were among the top thirty tracks on the hot one hundred from. Let's go crazy too. Little red, corvette. And on the Elbe chart down five of the talk seven one classic LP's. Nineteen ninety nine actually reached a new all-time peak of number seven two spots higher than it had gotten back in nineteen Eighty-three if beyond say hadn't picked that week to drop her new chart topper lemonade prince would have had five albums out of the top six all of this monstrous chart activity would surely have thrilled prints who was a fierce competitor to his final days. He was also rather notoriously not a fan of streaming or digital music in general, which brings me to the final quirk of prince's posthumous chart rampage the day, he died, very little of his music was on YouTube, and essentially none on Spotify or the apple music streaming service, although his label freed up some of this material on streaming services in the initial weeks after his passing billboard reported that the overwhelming majority of prince's April and may twenty sixteen chart action was driven by old. Fashioned sales. I myself recall going to my local Brooklyn bar the night of April twenty first just hours after prince's death and finding the twenty-something bartenders not playing prince because they couldn't find his music on Spotify. I handed them my iphone, and they connected it behind the bar to play my collection of MP three files. I had ripped from my old compact discs in short in the weeks immediately after his death prince got his fondest wish he was not only commanding the charts. Something he loved to do his whole life. He was compelling hundreds of thousands of Americans to buy music the old fashioned way. Sure. Tower Records and the Virgin Megastore along gone by twenty sixteen maybe some of those print sales were CD's mail ordered on Amazon or even heaven forbid dollar twenty nine MP three downloads. Maybe only a fraction of those sales were brick and mortar retailers a WalMart. Here. A best buy there may be even an urban. Outfitters or a rough trade, but in two thousand sixteen the late prints got a bunch of people who hadn't paid retail for music and very longtime to pay a visit to the record store perhaps. This was prince's final act of posthumous genius. I hope you all enjoyed this episode hip, my enormous, thanks to everyone here at for their hospitality and supported Jason porter. Robert Rutherford, Laura hen Brian EPs, Anthony angle, Laura, Silas Stokes as well. As the entire sleet live in specially faith Smith and person colts, plus a very heartfelt shout out to pop conference organizer. And she calmer of nerves calls Hughes and to show guests adviser and all around relation empowers my fearless. Producers Crispell these queuing up songs all night. Let's hear it more. The managing producer Asli podcast is June. Thomas, our senior producers teacher and Gabriel Roth is editorial director of sleep podcasts shutout their roster shows, sleep dot com slash talk. 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Aretha Franklin Pt. 3  Hits & Covers

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Aretha Franklin Pt. 3 Hits & Covers

"Ladies and gentlemen, records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the rhino cast podcast brought to you by rhino records. Get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies. And now, your hosts with the most, which may have and Dennis the menace. On this episode of the rhino podcast. We have the third of our three conversations with David Nathan noted, British soul music expert, covering a wreath of Franklin's Atlantic hits and covers. Hey, rich. Hey Dennis know what I was doing just now what we doing? I was perusing the digital pages of rhino dot com. Well, there's lots of Peru's their indeed. But you know why you wanna peruse them now because if you don't you're missing updated music news regular features like the album of the day, this day, music history. Plus, exclusive merchant music bundles, you can't get anywhere else. 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We have with the British ambassador of soul himself, David Nathan, who is not only an expert in so music in general, but spent a lot of personal time with the Retha any really does have the inside scoop on so many of these songs that we're going to cover today. We spent an entire day with David and this podcast, it probably is my favorite of all because it's covers and hits. Yeah, there's a lot of great music in this podcast. We have a ton of great music clips, and David kind of pulls back the curtain, and gives us a little tidbit of info about each of them how they came around how Aretha found out about them or something. They did when they recorded it really cool stuff. Well, I think that we need to get right to. It our conversation with David Nathan about Aretha Franklin covers in hits here on the rhino podcast, one to be free. Well, David Nathan, welcome back to the rhino podcast. I guess we didn't scare you away the first time you didn't on vis rhino podcast. We're going to kind of split it into, and they're they kind of overlap because we're gonna talk about the covers that Aretha Franklin did. And we're gonna talk about some of the hits in a general sense. What did Aretha look for in song to cover? Well, she had to be oh, to find something in it that she could relate to or that she could bring something to. She defied. John was by bringing these songs into her world. Yeah. Well, I think that, you know what I think it's kind of they were in her will by virtue of one thing. One thing that people may not know she wasn't just like a former she listened to music. She she really and she was, we're going to think about the time period, again, she was twenty six years old, and she listens to the radio and she, you know, she went to some shows and she famously toes story about. How she was certain events with berry Gordy. She said, you know, berry should be should give me a check for all the requisite all the Motown records up border, Detroit, I help build motel as as a as some report the records she listened to music. It wasn't just I'm gonna listen to our gonna listen to music. And some of choices were kind of like from the outside appeal a little quirky from Spanish Harlem does Stevie wonder's until you come back to me. That's what I'm gonna do some of those became the definitive version for a certain generation that might not have heard the songs, otherwise and they're probably played on the radio slash streamed more than the original. So what I think would be a great filter to talk about the arrangements. And of course, her voice and a great place to start. And this is really kind of complicated. I'll say the words back, David saying, you say a little prayer, but, I mean, the fact that Dionne Warwick had a hit with it almost. I mean it was an allegation, and yet the lightness of Dion, the Peppino of Dion z-, and the use the word forgive me. Soulful -ness of a Rivas. Okay. But what I mean is the choir the again back to the arrangement and really gamed out to the difference between those two two killers singers was the arrangement from what I could tell from from a refers appreciation music. She really did really, really like those recorded owns and, and the background can David song, she did and how that came about. I say they'll prayer came about Cissy Houston. And the studious brations Retha were rehearsing they were just kind of fooling around preparing to do some recording. We just started doodling on the piano. I say a little prayer, and then they created this whole Colo it was literally clear response is like, right there in the moment. Right originally, how David wrote Lior. Rick's in relationship to soldiers in Vietnam. That's actually the exact history of the song. The song is actually about the female singer singing. Yeah. Yeah. The moment I wake up, you know, it's the whole thing, a sailor prayer for you, because you're over there. Thousands of miles away serving in Vietnam as a soda that is the rhino podcast lives, by the way. Yes, stories like that. That was the whole thing was another song recorded the same time the windows of the world, but Dion which didn't record flip the yes. Exactly, exactly. But the point being when of reefa did it she wasn't singing it from the perspective of the of richer nation of what the song was about. On. Two. What did Aretha fund intriguing about British pop music of the era that made her want to cover the songs? You know, I don't think it was civic just British pop music. It was just pop music. And it happened to be as we know historically at that time, there was, what people here would have called the British invasion. We didn't call. We didn't call it appreciate version because I was. We. But the point be that's how it was thought of I don't think it was like, I'm just going to recall songs, but British groups but it was more just what was on the radio. What people present over that she sont she lied. So I don't know that it was particularly that, that was a theme. However, having said that as we see in her first three or four five Atlantic albums, you know, she goes bring something to songs that originated in Britain, by the Rolling Stones and the Beatles and dusty Springfield and then. Yeah. L John and then Lulu. I mean some of that to be fair. We have to say is a function of later on was more Jerry Wexler, and Jerry Wexler famously says that one of his biggest mistakes from his perspective was having a wreath of record songs of which are be solid black audience had no reference. For example, being Elton John's. Holy Moses the borders which he. Says they've released a single it just kind of flop, because because her core audience didn't know what it was about their love people who were not effective as though. It was about either. Been removed. Scene. He he. Distant cousin from down. Been. There was this whole thing where she did the weight by the band, and Eleanor Rigby, the part of same kind of time period. Yes. But some of those directly from Jerry Wexler, the earlier ones, though, like satisfaction, I think that's just a wreath like the song as she did it. You think? There was any parallel with Otis Redding doing that song as well. And maybe that kind of made a catchier possibly, I mean you know, the interesting thing about a about a wreath Otis is, of course, that they, they will contemporaries. Yes. Absolutely. And in fact, Otis Redding credits. Aretha version of try little tenderness as being his inspiration for doing his version of trial, little. Yeah. Yeah. And so there was kind of this love affair, but kind of appreciation of each other. Maybe we. Young girl they do get. When she gets. Tend to. Benny king Spanish Harlem, Dr John on keyboards. But that opening back to arrangements that, Dan. Dan, a boom. Right. Truth. Be told nineteen seventy I was introduced to that song by a wreath up. I went backwards to discover the Benny king version of it. And I think so many of us have generation and to this day, it became the definitive version of that song. But do you have any sense? Do you ever talk to about the arrangement because that is a radical departure in terms of the song transforms, the song didn't to be honest with you? But I think that was also to we've referenced before that's part of a wreath gift to take something that's done in a particular way. And turn it into something completely like it's almost like a different song. And what's interesting about. It is a cushy slutty changes the woods because she says in black and Spanish Harlem. Also, she has an affinity for of course you a couple of those Atlantic records by Betty k her version don't play that song is like, wow. I mean, Vealy that's got a gospel groove to it. And you know what one of my fund is personal memories is actually seeing a wreath at top of the pops in London. Do that. I mean, literally be right there the studio. Yeah. No, I mean some of its I don't think they were using the track but she actually was playing piano, like live in, in the studio to the track. And it's just phenomenal. What she does with don't play that song as she is biggest British hits. Do you come back to me? That's what I'm going to do that, is, you know, Stevie Wonder composition, but again, Aretha version, is the definitive version, how song to reefa was not as people think through Stevie Wonder, I mean this kind of mythology that of we said, oh, Steve, do you have any songs, but actually some B Toby, the last forty eight hours, there was actually a Stevie Wonder, Cody of it. And she heard it. I mean it was. So there was some comes recess TV, but the point being that I don't if it ever been released by CVS, far as I know it hadn't those are recording, but it never came out. It was an unreleased Stevie Wonder track. And in fact, a found an outtake where Jerry Wexler explain to. She speaks to and says, you go have a little bit of a kind of reggae on the like the whole piano thing. And if you listen to just the piano, you could hear what he's talking eventually is. Okay. And then she kind of does a little thing. That's it. And so that it's not really anything much like the Stevie Wonder version or demo or whatever. That's kind of the story of Retha would covers isn't it? They're never sound anything like the original. They've, it's so uniquely Aretha. Do you own about the, the couple of the Beatles songs that every third will one in particular? Let it be. Do you know that let it be was actually written with that in mind? And what happened was all McCartney gave the demo of let it be to Jerry Wexler specifically for we and the hood it. And she said, she couldn't record it, it had this kind of religious mother. Mary comes she, she wouldn't do it. So he kind of sat there for like a year. So she didn't record it. Then, of course, they, I guess, Todd away before it to do it subsequently, a wreath recording came off the, the Beatles. Dams of trouble comes to me speaking to Liz. Let it be. What changed our ethan's mind about recording the song? Well, I don't know. But under this happened the same thing happened. We son of a preacher man, the same thing, it was written with Retha in mind. And she said, do that because it's too close to my roots and probably more to do with the actual history personal history, so she wouldn't do it, and then dusty Springfield, does it and then she's like, all right. Well, I'll do it. I never asked that question. I always wondered why. She went back is. All right, probably because she thought. Well, all right. Well, okay. I said, no, the first I'm now my standpoint, and if you listen to a wreath version, particularly, let's let it be son of a preacher man, there's a break where she everything stops, and she's just singing with in the middle of the song. And you know do that. See how? In nineteen seventy massive number one hit their biggest hit for Simon and Garfunkel bridge over troubled water. And then a year later, number six on the charts, reefers version, and again, the Simon and Garfunkel version has been, of course, talked about, meaning many things, but the Retha version, again, brings it back into her. Her place, doesn't it? I think we have to check this historically that how that came about was it. She sang it. I know she sang it at the Grammys of the year that Simon Gulf, uncle won the Grammy for the song. And as you know, a lot of times on Grammy awards even going back then they would have other people. Performances someone. So she actually recorded it off the she had done it at the Grammys and other woods. It was so, like, really, yes. So the first time he would it was arrangement kind of also references the four tops still waters run deep hole. Which is I mean that's a phenomenal recording. I think we have to touch on Sam Cooke in Aretha because they both come from gospel background did Retha, hold a special affinity for salmon his music. You're laughing. What is it? Look. She's Topi people in public. Is it is? It is mad crush on Sam Cooke. So he really did send her so to speak that you go to speak. She told people contemporary Asli and subsequently, you know, she had a question him now, Pete was married, so probably the cost state is a crash. But I know that, but we'll, I can tell you is the because why Sam cook is an important figure in his life, musically. Is that he moved from gospel to what we call? Secular music pop Rb before she did that. In fact, she says she does credit a conversation with Sam Cooke, about that as being her choice to do that, too. As you want. How are we the new Sam cook was originally as being part of a group called solstice Gus group? And so that's how she would have heard or seen Sam cook for the first time, but it was with Sam Cook's, kind of courage -ment that she did that. So he played a major role in her life, personally and musically. And in fact, when Reverend Franklin took a wreath or to New York in nineteen sixty to get a record deal. She had done a demo of some kind and one of the companies that Sam Cooke suggested she signed with was, which was soon. He was recording at the time, but that didn't happen. In fact, the first Aretha Franklin cover of Sam Cooke is on her. I Atlantic album, a change is gonna come. He is what ties it together. If you listen to the opening of a change is gonna come she actually referenced he's talking about Sam cook. You know, there's an old friend, once a something that touched my heart, there's actually, like a kind of introduced before she sees own. Old. Something that. And invicta. So what I thought we would do for part two, which we will call them the hits, and they can be found the Atlantic singles collection. She only had two billboard chart number ones in nineteen sixty seven and nineteen eighty seven that last one with George Michael of all things another Brit another Brit, but she got a ton of radio play and obviously influence went way beyond the charts. I think I counted thirty nine top forty hits more Aren be hits twenty than any other artists. First woman to be inducted into the rock, Roll Hall of fame. Let's do a rapid fire thing where we name a song, and we have like a one minute story behind. Okay. Each of these, so we can roll a lot of music, so rich. Why don't you start with with the first one? I never loved man. The way I love you. I Atlantic March nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, that's such as a demo as the death. Mos on nine hundred sixty six over it. And by Detroit, songwriter, Ronnie, Shannon. She says it wasn't Tobar graphical. She spoke for, you know, at that point, I'd say many, many African American women in particular at that time, because she was voicing something that no one had voice quite that way. Would using that the whole gospel traditions is really like, wow. Once you hear that beginning of that record, you're like, for many people who never heard of film, Columbia, like, who is this? I love. K ready to go deep going do right woman, do right, man. Chips moment producers songwriter guitarist at gold star for Phil spector onto Memphis. He found the movie theater, the became stacks HQ produced a ton of hits from James, Bobby purify box tops. So Dan, Penn wrote that song with chips. How did he get to refill? Well, it's, it's actually the second song that was begun at first recording session for Atlantic in muscle shows. So actually what happened was they were on the session. Yes, right. And what happened was they had a rhythm track, and then because of whatever happened is Rita. She do the vocal. They went home that the next morning. She flew to Detroit. She husband agitated have a disagreement Ted, what had to describe with somebody with point being. She didn't do the vocal there was no vocal done in. Also shows, the vocal was on about ten days later in New York, because it confined Retha for days off that she wouldn't respond to Jerry Wexler because nobody's that you came in and completed the song in New York. I think if people aren't super familiar with the wreath other super familiar with this song by Aretha respect. Yes. Respect. Well, you know. Laughing, because I remember that's the first exam for you can hear everything completely putting a different spin on the song giving a hold it from different version. So, you know, the famous quote, you know, do you know the first time that Otis Redding, hood of his version of respect. He was enjoyed works office, Jerry Wexler played Otis version and order say, well, you know, it's not my soggy able, he hit lost it to her exact something like there's an actual quote, but the point he might have lost it to her. But I'm sure given that he voted exactly do too badly with the result, and a fantastic saxophone solo batch about that break in that saxophone break was lifted from a breaking when something's wrong with ABC exactly the same thing. Jerry Wexler says that he actually suggested that. Speaking of Mr. Wexler, and make me feel like natural woman written by Carole, king Gerry Goffin, but Jerry Wexler, did have some input. It was written for Retha. He said he, he owes karaoke. Ing Gerry Goffin to come up with a song for her. And that's what they came up with. And how he got credit for the somebody is just by virtue of the fact that he often. But this was one of her first forays into the Brill building. Right. So that's, that's very different. Brill building songs were kind of pop song it's interesting because I remember when it came out, it wasn't one of her most immediate hits at that time, because it's quite a stretch from a natural woman to respect, right? Interestingly a natural will move recorded in the same in those first early February nine hundred sixty seven recording sessions, although it wasn't released. Until I think the end of that year it was not in the first couple of albums on lady. So so you've looted to that earlier in the conversation that they would not necessarily use everything they recorded at that time for the current album. Because they get they didn't make them as albums just sessions. What's amazing about that? Recording is the string arrangement by cool. Ralph burns who also Detroiters James Brown. It's a gorgeous song. I mean it's the arrangement that the string arrangement is on that particular song is phenomenal. And it was different from the other things from that recording session. And of course at that time. No one knew that it would become one of his, most important anthems. Oh. All right chain of fools and seesaw, both written by Don. Kobe. Yes. Started with chubby checker. Yeah. Now, see, so, of course was a hit for dunk. Oh vay before Rita. Did it? I see. Zac. Ac-. Chain of foods of never heard a dunk over a version of China foods, even though he voted. So I don't actually know the exact story of it other than that it because he was at Atlantic, and he was a label mate. I don't know how it came to a wreath but I do know that, that has now become one of her again, anthems, if you look at it in historical context, you see your respect. I never loved a man and chain of foods. You know, particularly, I never loved the man in China fools about relationships different from what other women of the time would sing. I mean we talked about Dion before Diana Ross. I mean while they would sing love songs they won't quite so direct about the kind of every day -ness of, of relationships their songs were little more light in terms of you romance, and you'll, you'll never get to heaven is not quite the same as chain of foods. I was thinking about my safe five most played Retha singles. Okay. It's a tie for number one with the one written by a Retha and Ted white that has the most incredible banging piano intro can be think that could be thing could be. But when you listen to the lyrics of that written by a husband and wife was something going on, at that moment in time, perhaps, David, I mean, maybe. Pretty intense introduction from woman to a man saying, by the way, we've got some talking to do. Well again, and this isn't something revealing like on the first person to have said this in public. It's historically documented that their relationship at that point was quite volatile. One of the reasons revote did not like doing interviews was because of a time magazine cover story, which reference the fact that she had been and I'm using that terminology, roughed up in public by a husband that stayed with forever. She she how they found that on. No. But, you know, people talk to people in a wreath at that point was in her ascendancy as an icon in American music, and from that point, it was really hard to get into any interviews because it was a little too close to home. And you know, people know that, that was not a good relations. Oh, she's just like anyone else. She went through different things of the people went through. She wasn't the only person who had ever been in a relationship that didn't go well, but the point about think is I don't know how much Ted what had to do with the writing of the song. I just know that I it sounds like she's talking to him directly. That's where I was going. The same thing is true. He's also rushing credit. Dr feelgood true. So, you know, it wasn't all it was hang, isn't it? Well, yeah. As, as any relationship that I know about this, you know, the ups and downs is announced all that. Boone. Tell us about the house that Jack Bill flipside was salable prayer recorded earlier in the year by singer, Thelma Joan. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. And I love this because I do have a tiny short try to make this virtual story Thelma John's fact was from North Carolina came up to New York. I think like sixty three sixty four Thelma was very much of a blues e kind of Rb singer mentor by another blues. A very well known blue of the time. Big may bell, who is also a big influence on Retha as well. A record a couple of big may Bill songs on social sixty nine album. Okay. The point being Thelma did this session with Cissy Houston and the sweetest rations in the background on on her recording. And it was on this independent label not much happened with it. And cissy. Houston took the Elmo Jones version played it to Jerry Wexler and said, well, you know, this is great song for Retha, because basically. It's got that response thing on thelma's version, that's how that really came about many, many decades later when a wreath was performing in Los Angeles, Thelma Jones, some of them for a long time. I took her to meet Retha backstage, as Thelma one thing, you do not want to do is tell her you quoted, her hit don't do that, because I know we'll probably sound like I don't know what you're talking about. Jack. Okay. Here we go. I'm gonna lead you into this one recorded in Miami at criterion sound Donny Hathaway on organ written by refer, and probably if you take the groove of Spanish Harlem, and you apply to this song you probably be pretty rock steady. Wow. That's like religious as they think of next to Spanish Harlem, they have so much in common in the groove. Right. And what she did. But she wrote that song. I almost think that she wrote that song, saying, I want my Spanish Harlem. Yeah. I think we can look again. I think they record a around the same time, same sessions that come out, in fact, foam. Correct. Didn't want come out off the other. Yes. Yes. They were they were blends. Yeah. And just I think that's love that. I love it. So what it is funky. David, tell us what you know about. Daydreaming might've been about somebody else in another group. In Detroit, mother been my. Event hit us. Look at one of the things you know about that we all know about every she was a natural woman. Right. So she was a natural woman who you know, head need. Well, like, oh, human beings needs and, and yes, it is a romantic song. And it is written about Dennis at woods. And yes, neither of them denied it. And she said that that's who it was about. But yeah. In fact, I remember seeing them, I was Radio City musical somewhere where you know, she put him on stage and that's definitely about Dennis. It was. It's so much fun to dig in and to hear the story behind the story from the man who actually got the story in person. David. Why don't you tell us where people can find you on the web, vacant me, very, many different places. They can find. Many sites specifically, they can go to my website, WWW so music dot com and the associated website, WWW so info, which has allowed the archive will work up done over many years in terms of interviews. And of course, they can try to friend me on Facebook because I do have like a limit reached your five K limit David about thirty people away from it. It's a rhino podcast listeners. Order now. There's a chain. Just get on. That last song. We're coming out of their people get ready. A lot of people have done. Great covers of it, including Jeff Beck, and Rod Stewart. But as we've discussed is there, anybody out there an artist who can do. What Aretha Franklin did? And that is take a cover song, and really changed the arrangement make a definitive version and make it uniquely their own as I was growing up. I thought that some of those covers were actually originals don't by Aretha. Absolutely. I think a lot of people felt that same way. She recorded definitive versions of songs even if there were hits prior with them that defined that song as an Aretha Franklin song. Again, thanks, Dave. Nathan for spending so much time. We appreciate him coming in and sharing his knowledge with us. Cheers, David, thanks very much for tuning in. Don't forget to listen and subscribe on, I tunes, so you don't miss the next rhino podcast executive producer for rhino. Entertainment. John Hughes produced for rhino entertainment by pop Colt and rich Mahan promotions, all rights reserved.

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