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A highlight from A Dame Trade Deep Dive With Ben Thompson, Plus Seth Meyers and Million-Dollar Picks
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We did the big chill. It was very, very exciting. I have Kyle Brandt coming on Monday's podcast. I'm just gonna tell you the movie now because it is gonna be the best moment of your weekend if you spent two hours watching this classic. We're doing Toy Soldiers. It really brings everything possible to the table. So if you wanna watch it ahead of time, there it is. That podcast is going up Monday night. If you wanna hear stuff about the debate, we have Tara Paul and Mary's podcast, Somebody's Gotta Win. That reacted to it as well as the press box with Brian Curtis and David Shoemaker. So there you go. Our debate coverage has been on point. Also, higher learning. Van and Rachel had Larry Elder on this weekend. It made a lot of noise, man. That podcast is great. I hope you check that out as well. Hope you're checking out theringer .com. And on this podcast, gonna talk about the dame trade at the top. We're gonna bring in Ben Thompson from the Techery newsletter, which he's been on this podcast I think four weeks ago. And he's a huge Bucks fan. He's gonna give the Bucks fan side of things. We're gonna do million dollar picks. And then old friend Seth Meyers talking about a whole bunch of stuff. So really good podcast. It's all next. First, our friends from Pro Jam. What's up? All right, I'm taping this on Thursday afternoon. Normally when there's a big MBA trade, I always do the emergency trade reaction right after the podcast. But we just put up a podcast on Tuesday. So I decided to play it a little differently this time. I wanted a little distance, I wanted to listen to stuff, read stuff, and try to form some big picture opinions coming out of this. So I have four smaller ones, then one big one. First one, I thought Portland did an incredible job with this trade. I really liked this trade, especially everyone was trying to bully them in June and July about, oh, you got to take Miami's offer. You just got to. It's where he wants to go. It's the only offer you're going to get. And guess what? They waited. They played it perfectly. They stared Miami down, and they got a much better deal. First of all, they get the Drew Holiday piece that they can flip into a bunch out of their stuff, which we'll talk about in one second. I love the DeAndre Ayton gamble. As you know, on this podcast, I am a big DeAndre Ayton guy. Not in the sense of I'm the biggest fan of his in the world, but I'm a fan of the asset. I just think I love the valued assets, no matter what it is. Whatever market we're talking about, DeAndre Ayton, 18 and 10 for his career, 60 % field goals percentage, 25 years old. He's played in 45 playoff games. He played four rounds in the 2021 finals. Last year, he got his ass kicked by Jokic. Oh, sorry. Like, that never happens. And Phoenix just sold on him, which I can't wait to talk about. But just from a Portland standpoint, they not only get Ayton in whatever they get for holiday, they get the 29 first, they get the two swaps, and they dump Nurkic. Nurkic hasn't had a healthy start to finish all the way through the playoffs here since 2018, which I'm positive was a long time ago. He's basically 12 and 8. He's, you know, a 50 % shooter. I made a list of the top 30 centers. I encourage you to do this at home, because what's more fun than making lists of NBA centers? I can't imagine anything. I made a list of who I thought were the best assets of the center position for talent, contract, everything. He was 29th on my list. The only person I had ahead of him who's technically a starter, unless you start talking about the Detroit or Charlotte guys, was Zubats on the Clippers. I thought he was the 29th best center asset in the league. And Phoenix, you know, just quickly to go to them, they're trying to win this year. They got worse. They turned Ayton's money into Nurkic and Grayson Allen and Nasir Little. Grayson Allen, we already know with him, he can't play in playoff series. We saw him 22. We saw it last year. I heard and read in some places like that, I got two rotation players. Did they? Is Nurkic a playoff rotation player? Is Grayson Allen a playoff rotation player? Because I'm positive he's not. So for the same money that they were spending on Ayton, they got three guys that I don't think are going to help them. In 25, the money comes down a little bit to 23 million just for Nurkic and Little, which is 7 million less than Ayton. And then in 26, that money goes up to 25 .5. But I don't understand what Phoenix was doing. Why not wait to see if Ayton clicks with Vogel? Vogel has such a good history with centers. He rejuvenated Dwight Howard on the 2020 Lakers. He basically created Roy Hibbert's career in 2013 with the defense verticality thing. I thought he was going to do a good job with Ayton. I'm stunned that they gave up on him. I'm almost waiting for one of those, now they tell us stories when, you know, that's where Brian Curtis calls them, where like a week after something happens, there's this kind of notebook dump where it's like, here's seven terrible DeAndre Ayton stories. So maybe that'll happen. But for Phoenix just to be like, cool, we locked this down, man. We got Nurkic. You're trying to win the title. You have KD and Booker and Beal. And like, what are you guys doing? Anyway, from Portland's standpoint, I love the Ayton thing. I love that they didn't get bullied. And I know they're going to turn Drew Holliday into something. So this to me was at least an A minus for them, for where they were two months ago, where Dave's like, I want to go to Miami. That's it. And if you don't trade me there, that's kind of fucked up. And they made this work as it got reported that, uh, I think in the athletic, that he expanded his list to Brooklyn and to Milwaukee in the last two weeks. And that's what Portland was waiting on. You know, they were banking on the fact that he's a competitive dude. He's one of the best 75 pairs ever. He wanted a situation settled. So, you know, you wait, you wait, you wait, they expand the list and then you go. Uh, there's a Drew Holliday piece to this. That's awesome. He becomes a contender prize. I wouldn't call this a Drew Holliday sweepstakes. I reserved sweepstakes for the superstars, but it's a mini sweepstakes. This is somebody that could have a huge impact on the playoff race. You know, not only the usual suspects, everybody's talking about Boston, ironically, Miami is a really good fit for him. And in some ways, um, I'm a little more scared of them with Miami than Dame in some ways, especially at a much cheaper contract with giving up less and keeping some of their assets. Philly, if they could pull it off, they have to be in there in Golden State, Minnesota. I think I have to mention Sacramento, I think is a team that if they could figure out how to get Drew without giving up their core, which is basically Keegan Murray and Sabonis and Fox, like that's, you know, could Davion Mitchell be in that trade with some, with a salary and some picks, who knows. The team that I love for Drew Holliday is OKC. I have OKC, you know, I started doing my MBA research for the over -under spot and I haven't landed on a number for them yet, but to me, they feel like a high forties team with Chet and with the growth of their young guys. And if you just like, let's say they traded Lou Dort and a bunch of their picks, maybe two firsts and two of their lesser picks or three firsts and a second, whatever it is. And they just say, fuck it. And they get Drew and you put him with Giddy and SGA and Jalen fucking awesome Williams and Chet Holmgren and all these other dudes they have, that might be a top three team in the West. I mean, that, that's starting to give me some early 2010s OKC vibes. So where he goes is going to be important. I just feel like there was so much Drew Holliday slander the last couple of days. You know, he's one of my favorite players. Even Haralabob, who was the chairman of the board of the Drew Holliday fan club for years and would have the benefit dinners there and, you know, just did a lot of yeoman's work on that front. And even he was like, yeah, yeah, Dame's better than Drew. That trade makes sense for Milwaukee. I was hurt, Haralabob. I was 100 % hurt by that. But you know, Drew got his ass kicked by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs last year. I get it. It happens. Jimmy was unbelievable. I feel like he would have kicked anybody's ass. By the way, why is Drew Holliday guarding Jimmy Butler? That speaks more to some of the issues with Milwaukee. He was never supposed to be a point guard and a creator. I think he was always better as an off -the -ball guy. We saw that with Rondo and New Orleans and just in general. I want to see him with a point guard. I want to see him just being unleashed, not having the ball a lot, just worrying about hitting threes, being an occasional, you know, make -shit -happen guy and being like the third or fourth best guy on a team without having the offensive responsibility to have. All their half court issues got blamed on him for the last couple of years. And I get it. They weren't like an awesome half -court team, even the other one in the finals, but I really value that dude. I had him, even I did the trade value list in August and I had him 37th and I had Dame 23rd. I think he's one of the best 30 players in the league still. He's 33 years old, which, you know, I'm going to talk in a second about when guards hit their mid -30s, but just in general, I think he's a real asset. If he goes to a team like the Celtics and they can keep Derek White and Tatum and Brown in the center, it's like, look out, man. So little mini sweepstakes, rarely do we get the trade, but then we still get another asset to talk about. Thank you for everyone involved in the trade. And then the fourth small point is just that, you know, not rocket science, Milwaukee bought some Giannis time here. They have one of the best 20 players of all time. They were staring down the barrel of a situation that was not good. I was talking about it on this podcast in late June and early July. I thought he was going to put them on the clock. I thought Mark Lasry selling his stake was a really bad sign for all of this because that dude is smart. As I laid out in June, that guy is really smart. And if he's feeling like, you know what, it's time for me to sell my buck stock, that makes me nervous. And then all the stuff that Giannis said and did, which I thought he did really fairly and really smartly. And I think that dude's about titles and that's it. And I know we say that about players, but I think in his case, I don't think he cares about, you know, what's my legacy, how do I compare against Dirk DeWhisky, any of that stuff. I just think he wants more rings. I mean, think about the guys who have won two rings out of the best 35 guys on my list of my pyramid. Those are all guys in my top 35 that won multiple wings. You go to the one -ring side, Jerry West, Oscar, Moses, Dirk, Jokic, Giannis, Pettit, Garnett, Kawhi, Rick Barry. That's the list he's on now. I certainly don't think he's looking at that list going, I got to get away from these guys, but it's a slightly different list. I think when you win multiple rings in multiple situations, it elevates you in a certain way. I think he fundamentally understands that at least a little bit. I want to be the best player since LeBron James. I think that's a thing that he wants. How am I going to do that? I need more rings. I need more finals trips. He knew from last year and maybe even the Boston series that they just weren't good enough. Whether this trade is going to be the thing that propels them, we'll find out, but he's been in the league 10 years, two MVPs, five first teams, two second teams, and now we have this little two -year window. Kawhi and the Raptors was a one -year window. This is a two -year window, I feel like. With Giannis, he's got two years left in his deals. So does Lopez. Middleton has two in a player option. Dame's got two, and then this crazy $120 million player option extension thingy that he has that just keeps going and going. It's probably two years. There's a world where this could go terribly this season, at least for what the expectations are, and then maybe it becomes Kawhi, Raptors. Maybe Giannis is like, you know what? That didn't work. Trade me. And the Bucks, who have no picks left and no future, they look at it next summer, and they go, all right. We tried it. Giannis, what can we get for you? Dame, what can we get? And they just do a reboot, rehaul. Remember, they won in 2021, which just takes so much pressure out of this. It's so much different than the Clippers situation, where they went all in on Kawhi and Paul George. They give up all those picks and SGA, and they've gotten nothing out of it. They haven't even made the finals. So it's got to happen. I think they at least probably have to make the finals. If they get bounced in round two, do I think Giannis is going to stay because they made this Dame -Mower trade? Probably not. So that leads to the big question, is how good of a trade was this? So there's a big picture angle on Dame, and it's going to sound negative, but I really don't want it to sound negative because I think Dame, I voted for him for NBA Top 75. I think he's been one of the best guards in the last 15 years. I think there's a ton of great things you can say, and there's a chance that he goes to Milwaukee, and this thing is fucking awesome. I know any Celtic fan I've talked to, including Isaiah, who's helping produce this podcast today, the Giannis -Dame pick and roll is just terrifying. Other than Jokic and Murray, it's going to be the single most unstoppable offensive play in the league. It is. We are conceding that point. The spot Dame is in right now, big picture -wise, it's weird. He's a superstar, but he's not, and we've seen guys like this before. I judge superstars by, do you have the resume statistically, and is your team succeeding consistently at a certain level? You can't totally say that about Dame. He's never been on a 55 -win team. He's missed the playoffs completely four times in 11 years. He said three first -round exits. He made the Final Four once in 2019, which was really lucky because Golden State and Houston were the two best teams, and then they got smoked. He's never been on a true contender ever. Instinctively, you go, well, that's not his fault. Who's he played with? Well, he played with LaMarcus Aldridge and CJ McCollum and a couple other guys, but not really anybody. The reason I'm putting this up is there's a success element that he has not had yet that for somebody with his resume is actually kind of unusual. I went and I looked up how many guards in the history of the league averaged 22 points a game for their career and played at least 700 games. I thought the list would be like 20. I didn't know. I didn't know what I was walking into. Only I think 75 guys have averaged 22 a game. So I went and I looked up the list, and it was 10 guys, 700 games, 22 a game for their career. There were some guys who came close like David Thompson, who I think is one of the best guards I've seen in the last 45 years, but had a short career and had some drug issues. He didn't make it. He didn't play enough games. Pete Maravich, 24 .2 points a game, but he didn't play enough games. Kyrie hasn't played enough games yet. Bradley Beale is five games away. I'm actually kind of glad the cutoff's at 700 so we don't have to talk about him. And then Mitchell and Trey Young aren't there yet. There's only 10 guys that made it, and the 10 guys are all fucking awesome. And again, I mentioned this in the context of Dame, who we think he is versus the success he's had. So the 10 guys, Michael Jordan, 30 .1, Jerry West, 27 .1, Allen Averson, 26 .7, George Gervin, 26 .2, Oscar Robertson, 25 .7, Kobe, 25 .0, Harden, 24 .7, Curry, 24 .6, Wade, 22, barely made it, and Russ, 22 .4, and then Dame is at 25 again. All right, what does he not have that those other guys have? Well, MJ, don't need to talk about him. Don't need to talk about Jerry West, who's the freaking logo. Allen Averson, pretty good comparison, right? Big stats, really memorable player, but not a ton of success. Here's the difference. Averson made the finals once. He won an MVP. Dame has done neither of those things. George Gervin was the best scoring guard of the 70s. He made two final fours. He had some bad luck. He really, in 79, really should have came close. And some of it's on him, right? He could have come through. Bobby Dandridge is the one that ended up coming through for the Bullets. They lose. But two final fours, he had four top five MVP finishes, five first teams, four second teams. He was just unassailably the best guard in the league until MJ. Oscar Robertson, don't need to go through him, but he won a ring and an MVP. Kobe, five rings and an MVP. Eleven first teams for Kobe, by the way. James Harden, three final fours, an MVP, six top five MVP finishes, six first team MBAs. And even though Harden has never made the finals as the best guy, he made it with OKC as the sixth man, you could build a contender around Harden. We saw it. We haven't really seen it with Dame. I think that's a fair thing to bring up. Curry, four rings, two MVPs, you know, the Curry thing. Dwayne Wade, three rings, two top five MVPs, two first teams, three second teams. He's more in the Dame waters a little bit, but he had the 2006 finals and he was the second best guy with LeBron on those heat teams. And then Westbrook, who you would say, well, Dame had a better career than Westbrook. Did he? Westbrook made the finals in 2012. He was second best guy on that team. Almost made the finals in 2016. He won an MVP. He had two first teams and five second teams. It's at least like a real argument. And I think when you look at Dame, he only had that one 2019 round three, got bounced. He's only had one top five MVP finish. He's only had one first team MBA and four second team MBAs. Really, really good top 75 career. But the piece that's missing is, have you been on a really good team? Have you made a real run at it? Which is why, you know, I think this Milwaukee trade is so much fun. This is his real chance. I get nervous about a couple things with this trade. One is that, you know, if you look at the 33 and older guards who average 22 points a game in a season. Jordan did it twice. Curry did it twice. Still going. Kobe did it three times. Jerry West twice. Sam Jones once. Hal Greer once. That's the entire list. Now the NBA is different. We have more three -pointers now. It's easier to score. Scoring is the easiest it's ever been. Guys can play at a longer age. So I'm not ruling out Dane being good for the next three years. But just pointing out, history is saying, be a little nervous. In general with guards, like Chris Paul, we saw from age 35 to 36 to 37, like it just dropped. But that's two years older than Dane. Maybe it's fine. I just worry about guards. We have not a lot of instances with guards in their mid -30s of them either peaking as players or being able to sustain whatever success they had during their prime. It always starts to go down with really no exceptions, except for Steph Curry. He's the only non -exception. So if your case is Dane's as good as Steph Curry, or Dane can be as potent as Steph Curry on a winning team, like, you know, Steph Curry is better than Dane, but I'm not going to argue that he couldn't do a lot of the stuff that Curry did in Golden State. The bigger issue for me, the age I'm definitely worried about. Dane has not been healthy the last couple of years, and we have not seen him play nine straight months at playoff basketball with a big bullseye on his back. Everybody coming after you, you're the best team. We haven't seen him do that ever, much less than the last couple of seasons. So can he stay up? Can he stay healthy? That's one thing. The defense with Dane just got kind of swept under the rug the last couple days, and I don't really understand it because there's five categories of defensive player I feel like. There's excellent, there's good, there's average, there's not so good, and then there's bad. And I think Dane's a bad defender. I think the stats back it up. Like, his defensive rating last year was 245 out of the guards. He's the 245th guard for defensive rating. You know, 117 .4 individual defensive rating is 483 overall. Portland's team's always defensively, it was the Achilles heel for them. Partly because of Dane, because he couldn't guard anybody. He's too small. And, you know, think about what we saw from the playoffs the last couple years. I think about the 2020 bubble Celtics playoffs, not infrequently, because I think that team had a chance to potentially win a title. What happened? Everyone hunted Kemba Walker. It was hunting season. It's like, where is he? Got to get a switch. Got to get Kemba Walker guarding somebody who's bigger, or got to beat him off the dribble, and it just became a hunt session with him. And basically, he got played out of the league. He's not in the league anymore. You know, we had this with Isaiah Thomas, too, in the mid -2010s. I think it's been an issue with Kyrie Irving. The Celtics certainly went at him in the playoff series with Brooklyn a couple years ago. Curry, you saw, who I think is a better defender than people give him credit for, but the And he's a much better defender than Dame is. Jordan Poole is somebody that got hunted in playoff series recently. Chris Paul, obviously, is a big one. Jalen Brunson, remember what the Heat did to him? Mitchell, when he was on Utah, this was a huge issue. And then Trae Young, obviously. My fear with Dame is he's a DH, and I think in Portland, part of the reasons he was able to put up the stats he did was because he wasn't playing defense, right? It was just, how many points can I score? My team isn't very good, and I'm just going to do my thing. He's an incredible offensive player. But how much of a trade -off is the defense, right? Well, you think, all right, well, Milwaukee, they're really good defensively. They'll be able to protect him. Here's the team. Giannis, Dame, Lopez, Portis, Middleton, Conaton, Beauchamp, Crowder. Who's guarding Trae Young on this team? Who's guarding Jason Tatum? Here's a partial list of guys that I don't think this team will be able to guard this season. Devin Booker, Tatum, Butler, Trae Young, Kyrie, Curry. Who's going to be chasing Curry around the screens? Dame lowered? Good luck. SGA, Luca, Mitchell, Murray, Edwards, Brunson, Ja, Garland, Fox, Halburn. Are they going to be able to cover Derek White? I don't know. The way this team is constructed, they are not going to have the ability to guard other guards at all, which means they're just going to have to be in a shooting match with them, right? It's going to be not much different than what's going to happen with Phoenix, where they're just literally going to have to outscore the other team. I've just watched too much playoff basketball over the last couple years, where it's like, if you have that weak link on defense, and you're playing a team that's smart enough, they're going to go after that weak link. Like, think about them against the Lakers, right? The Lakers figure their crunch time. Let's say they make the finals. It's Milwaukee and the Lakers, and Lakers crunch time. They're going to have LeBron and Davis and Austin Reeves and, I don't know, a shooter and a point guard, whatever. All they're going to be doing is trying to find where Dame is on the court and going after him. What about when they play Boston? Boston puts out White and Brogdon and Tatum and Brown and a center, and all they're going to be doing is trying to make sure Dame is covering somebody who has the ball who's now torturing him. I think it's a real problem for them. And what's funny is they gave up Drew's defense and, you know, they, what they gave up on defense, which is significant, and they gained an offense, it might end up just being a wash and they might just be a different version of the same team where they still have a huge flaw. It's just on the other end of the court. I'm just shocked that nobody brought up the defense. I agree he's an amazing offensive player and what's cool about this trade and what I'm excited about as a basketball fan is, can he go up a level? Right? A lot of these stats he put up, especially the last couple years. They didn't mean anything. They were, he was on bad teams. Like, who cares? Ultimately, Bradley Beal scored 30 points a game on the Wizards. Who cares? I think most really good offensive players, if they're on a bad team, can get between 25 and 30 a night. Can you do it nine months in a row? Can you do it when you're getting hunted on defense all over the place? How much can Milwaukee protect him? And what does he have in the tank at age 33 with 900 plus games on the O 'Dominor already? I'm still afraid of the Bucks, but people have, like, FanDuel had them as best odds in basketball and I think most people feel like they're the favorite now. I don't feel like there's a favorite. I think you can go through every team. Boston, I could, I'm scared of Porzingis. What's going to happen with Jalen Brown out there? He has contracts. Can Peyton Pritchard, all these different things. Philly, God only knows. Miami, they're unquestionably worse. Yeah, Milwaukee is going to be really good, but depending where Holiday lands and how this all plays out, I just think it's still wide open. And the other piece, so if you're just talking Boston, Miami, Tatum kills Milwaukee. I have no idea why. Boston is kind of built to at least stay with Dame and, you know, Derek White is about as good of a person you're going to have to try to keep Dame in check, at least. And Boston's done a really good job of guarding Giannis over the years. They don't have Grant Williams this year, but I just don't think, I think there's as many ways this goes wrong as it goes right, I guess would be my final thought on this because for what they gave up, especially with that 29 unprotected and the two swaps and, you know, they are all in on this team. And you know my theory, when you go all in on a team, you better think you can win. Not positive, but it's an awesome trade. It really is. It makes the league so much more fun. Dame and Giannis together. I'm going to enjoy watching Portland. I still have my eating stock. Watching Phoenix fans slowly realize that Derkiszna isn't the answer is going to be fun and then we'll see where Drew Holliday goes. So really fun trade. We're going to talk about it a little bit more with Die Hard Bucks fan, Ben Thompson in one second. Let's take a break.
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"Nachos burgers and sandwiches, don't forget about all the great bears on tap too. And again, don't forget about the wall of TVs. Don't forget about what it's like, especially the early games. Get 8 games going, I need different TVs. You're never gonna miss anything. You always know what's going on. Get to a buffalo wild wings near you or order from buffalo wild wings, DACA. I followed this pip and stuff. I think it's so bizarre that NBA players X NBA players are turning into like the old professional wrestlers, where it's like, we have an interview with The Ultimate Warrior. And he just starts taking shots at Hulk Hogan. You're like what's going on? Is this real? Is this fake? What's happening? This is happening all the time now with guys who used to play in the league where I don't know whether it's a way to it's a way for them to get attention again or if they think maybe it's this podcast world we're in now where everybody's getting interviewed left and right or I don't understand it, but there seems like there's more animosity between the old guys. For years, it was always the guys who were currently playing kind of getting kind of bummed out that the next generation was crispy at them, right? Why don't you guys more supportive of us? We're carrying the torch for you. Now it's just the X guys going at each other. And I don't understand it. But why is basketball turned into professional wrestling with retired players? Whenever you use a wrestling analogy, I'm ready to cringe, but this is perfect. It really is. 'cause it's just, but this has been going on for years, okay? Whether it was Oscar Robertson who came on with us and Mike and Mike when I filled in and we asked him how Steph would have been handled in his era and he was just like, pick up full court. Idiots. You know, you're just like, that's it? That's it. Yeah, just pick them up full court and you know, and then he would be like, you guys are idiots. You don't remember Tom, Tom Lewis, but Tom Lewis could shoot too. And you were like, no, what? And I'm making up a name, but that's what he did. He was kind of like, you guys are fawning over Steph Curry. You don't remember Tommy Lewis. And I was like, I don't. And then I looked up and again, that's not who's the name was. I already had forgotten. I looked a guy up, and he had a couple of decent seasons. And it's not just that. It's the TNT crew, which we all love the show. We all love Charles and exacts evolved into something really cool. And they dump on, that's their schtick, is they dump on it. And during those peak stuff stuff, and then everybody just saying, oh, whatever. This wouldn't work back in the day back in the day. It was just a very weird deal that you had a full generation of 90s players that all had outlets. You know, mcgrady's on TV, the jump had a bunch of these guys on it. Countdown rotated a bunch of different players. There are all of the same generation that decided the guys playing the last 5 years all sucked and it was the only form of human testing where somehow we were led to believe the science was going to reverse in basketball but going forward with everything else. Guys are throwing faster. The running faster, all these other elements of like just pushing the limits more and more. It's like, no, no, basketball is actually peaked in 97 and now we're on the other side of it and we're like, so I it's been happening for a while. I do think that Pippen takes it to another level in that he just feels so slighted by the whole thing when I felt like the last dance Bill when we did that stuff, I feel like history looks back on pippin and almost props him up a little bit more where I felt like in the moment and I did this rant, I think a month or so ago, pippa was never talked about like, hey, is pippin the single best player in the league right now? We never did that during the time. And in fact, it was about, does he belong on the top level with some of the other guys or not? Was the argument? It was never, is he the best guy? It was one of the best guys. It was a real conversation. Yeah, but it was never left where there was a single season where you went, pippin's the best player. And I think that that's how it's been kind of remembered, at least that's what I thought the last answer is a little bit there. It's very clear hanging Jordan with that much like it would just it hazes the shit out of you mentally and pippin is the one guy that I don't know just doesn't want to hear it anymore. But when you start saying you're better than him, he told we had a guy in production at ESPN who tweeted it out. He goes, I worked on an NBA rap show and in the pre show meeting where we're going over topics, pippin said to me, you know, I was better than Jordan. Right. And this is what we're dealing with. I don't so I think there's a couple things going on. I think Jordan made a lot of money from the last dance. Pippin probably didn't make any money, right? Gives us big interview. He thinks it's about the 98 season. There's basically a whole half of an episode about why he didn't come back into the game. He's a bigger part of the documentary and he thought he gives this interview and they jump on him too for his contract. He has to suck to watch years later, go ahead. Yeah, and I think he was sensitive about that stuff. It's not dissimilar from where Chris Webber ultimately didn't want to be in the fab 5 documentary. He want to talk about the time out again. You know, you get to come up with a hundred reasons and him versus Jane and all that stuff. But it was really like he didn't want to relive that stuff. I got bummed out by this one though, because as somebody who really loves this stuff, like watching pippin and Jordan in person. We talked about it when we did some of the what do we call those? What do we call a poll? Watching Jordan and Pippen in person after Jordan came back from baseball was like one of the great basketball joys of my life. I'd never seen two guys united like that. And I got to watch bird and Michael and Parrish for their entire run. Jordan Pippen thing was different. They were so tuned together. It reminded me a little of The Beatles and chuck and I talked about this a tiny bit last Thursday watching the incredible Beatles Doc and how McCartney and Lennon, if anything jumps out of that Doc for 8 hours, it's like, wow, these guys said something like really special. You know, and there's no way that these guys stopped being a band because they didn't like playing music with each other because you could see it. I felt that way watching pippin and Jordan those last couple years. I just felt like Jordan had built Pippen, you know, hoops IQ osmosis, competitiveness, all this stuff. He kind of created this perfect sidekick for himself, you know? And when you would watch them together, they would have these moments where you honestly felt like if they needed a steal, those two guys were just cross mid court go. Let's just go get the ball. They were just take the ball from whatever the boy card was or like nobody's nobody's getting a layup on us for this entire quarter. Nobody would. And it's just kind of a bummer that he's feels so shitty about it now. I'm bummed out for him. You know, he definitely didn't make as much money as you probably should have. He feels like he didn't get the historical kind of love that maybe he thinks he deserves and he's just way more bitter than somebody should be who, you know, one 6 titles and who Steve Kerr said was the best team he ever had. I think the people that played with him really loved him. So I feel bad for him. Well, if he was doing it to get attention for the book, then maybe we can't feel bad for him..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"oscar robertson" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"You know guide for my era. I won't reveal what he said. Exactly but dave dupree. Who was my friend from back. In the day they'd goes you can kick somebody else. You can't kick. He can't have made the team. And you kick ass off. And i said yes to that and then i said no and i ended up kicking making a few kickings to make room for new guys and i guess my particular. I'm not gonna say bias. Particular thought process was that i'm an old guy back covered the league in the eighties. And i really wanna shade this so fans that are coming. I don't do it for the fans. But i didn't wanna have all old names on there and if it came to me a choice between some mortal who helped make the league in the nineteen fifties like not bill russell course or but and then a guy who wondering about now even if he wasn't a legendary oss player i may be gave a little break to that so there's some degree of modernism in this thing but i don't want to go too far on that of course i have bill russell of foresight. Have you know wilt chamberlain. Course gary west elgin baylor oscar robertson. But it came to a close thing. I kind of maybe thought i should go more modern. Yeah that helps answer the question. No no it does to an extent because these things are all tied together. I mean one of the questions. I've been asking other friends in the business who whose opinions i value is. Should we consider the fiftieth anniversary lists. Sacrosanct are those fifty a permanent fifty and you can only add them. Like how seriously should we take it and one of the things that i've struggled with aside from just how dramatically this game in this league change from decade to decade to say nothing over the course of five years. It's also that simple math question right. Even if those fifty were universally agreed on as the best fifty of the first fifty years when you have another twenty five years pass to say that there could only be twenty five players in two thousand five years that we're better than any of the people that fifty list just defies all logic like if you hit some golden age of the sport and let's face it because of training and specialization and all these advances we've have people are there are more great players now. I just think there are and if you have four guys who are alzheimer's over twenty five years to just to throw out one possible number necessarily implies that you have to knock off some of the guys from the original fifty. The other thing that i've i've decided in my own mind jack to make me feel a little better about potentially throwing guys off from the original fifty is this. That was the greatest fifty list..
Knuckleheads with Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles
"oscar robertson" Discussed on Knuckleheads with Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles
"Important center was the center was aboard. Milan becker was important. That this those gather think is okay. That's the way it goes but also thank. You had to go through. Likes the certain things that happened to you. This is wonderful when you get inside. Look back and seattle progress in may like you guys didn't have any back some great because you're gonna dip viewpoint i don't know man i think definitely do. I think it's so much more information after it's wonderful and that's why i continue to go out way to just continue to say thank you and thank you know guy like you went through and i got so much admiration just sitting here listening. So you know guys didn't want how you a smart player. And i like this amazing like and i know i don't even know how they dealt with batons with me to sit here and talk to you you became. Would you became an endure. It all of those different things in dance still pay it forward and try to make things better flipped for those kinds of behind you and things like that manages the utmost respect to you want highest ten. I was just part one part in this before. Many other thing in minnesota helped me out success. Welcome pascual where they had great teaches. All i got through school. And that's another thing. You know success accord enough to court was great from is wonderful but now i did. I had to ask around any other. I guy play. Lsu mississippi l. was never all same. That's a part of it's it's an. It's amazing that no one ever ridden about this. I got zip this debt that i got with mississippi always saying no they go through. Yeah exactly. I'm a fan of nicknames in the big o. Adult nickname when you first heard the big. Oh did you lack of what you think about the bigger i i talking about but then he had told me that radio that name. He said he did it because wealth was cold eligible caller rabbit. So let's start with. How did you like it. Do you like what people thought noticing. You've been on. the best. Man is great this this thing. I would have been a big old man. That's gonna be zero wherever list. I can finally remembered being in my freshman year in college where we went to go play. Cincinnati and logan behold. The big we come out for warm of a and you know you're going around you. You're saying they had dan. I can't remember who it was on my team. Big over there. I said what we turn around low behold big signal that you're becoming up to you introduce myself and i like the nice to meet you so i won't the so good that game but i was like. Oh here i got the put all so he just knowledge of your child. Remember baby like me you i. I got the beat. You in cincinnati indiana. Later that same year. I get the meat george garvan at home because his his son jeep plays for houston and they came to play us in chicago. When i got me him. I was like this is crazy. I've had big like a couple of weeks ago. Now i mean ice man. It was like this. The grades a lot of games knows as having become and i appreciate that yeah. Absolute i was great mom as natural top five players ever. But just your favorite fire. Who was your favorite five over the years over the history that you like when you sane play say jordan and say elgin baylor the kid how to go go at stake now carry jerker jerry west. A lot of lot of book jerry. West logo will ian bill russell. Jack kimmel's great grayson sessional. Great basketball came around. I not gonna miss you guys but it just wonderful. Great athletes perform does go situations. You know an forgot. John donavan missing mississippi basketball players. The one and only brown. The rides ain't chains. You have two minutes basketball great great but he is difficult in different ages about not say discount bed player that player. Just get very by every but it's going to happen. I think it's great for the fans. This rate of native fails never platelets is all right but i can think basketball elder could play. Wilkins played late elder completely off. Far this return those guys play with. I guess everybody. I wanna get one last question for we get you out of here but so you you you know throughout your whole career and everything you did all of these things dan. It can't be at the top fifty players ever. Did you ever think did it. Would you be involved in something like that. When you start paying out that to be a part of. I mean it was. It was nice. Genoa happy about it again. Picture basketball players all of rick level. Now they got a big up. Seventy five player right. Got twenty five more to dig in a lot of guys that were left. Fifty might be disappointed because they might be left off the next twenty five one thing we know for so big being.
Knuckleheads with Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles
"oscar robertson" Discussed on Knuckleheads with Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles
"Felt. There was something wrong with basketball. Ghana's have control all the power and yeah and so we had said this this is wrong. I mean come on any day for food. That's that's unbelievable. Stay in hotels coach to playing back. How that type of the travel like that being like you say you gotta get on a five thirty. Am commercial flight and just being by. How was that. we had the first class. I've just gotten refers gusto. We didn't even have a train for cincinnati ankles. Sometimes i just put a little bag. This couple plan because ankle problems whatsoever. Just lucky out how additional needed from seeing what you saw the ending like saying going from eight dollars bay per diem traveling nets. Now you look at today and these things got big jumbo jets is like you see. The the per diem is cray. Everything is just like is maxed out as it could be like. How do you feel you look at how players of being like jail. I'm happy the game. Because i know this it. Lifetime defense financial about things help to go lose all the money i mean. We've got house of fifty million dollars this one. I think it's great. Let it enjoyed because you know the happiness at that is great habit of. I'm gonna service had black players and azerbaijan. Making money lack player. You get the keys them. Go disneyworld fly around the world ziv defense by parachutes when you want to buy a close interest. Because i. it didn't happened years ago. You know when i grew up. You know upset blacks. Good last. can't do this dumb you know. Put it play three years on varsity basketball player. It just don't get that they don't set up. Lacks down this jim speaker. Rub he the withholding kinda thing. This was years ago. Academic stay but i never had a black quarterback at got a lab realized was.
Knuckleheads with Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles
"oscar robertson" Discussed on Knuckleheads with Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles
"How physical wasn't back. Dan than you see now. You know it's not as critical. It is as it was back there but it was really fiscal where it was a lot of stuff. That just wouldn't be called participate throw like how was that fiscal aspect of the game back. Then i knew solid yet. I will said man stop playing if i fouled back pay back. So that's why. I didn't in the pros probably up at the elbows. But i'm gonna throw manigault alerted. Does what type regimen did you do. Because you had like you a big are you. Were physically strong. Like what type of regimented. You keep it sake. I worked on a fire also. Okay good fom worry. Less worked fit to the fields of work. Bail up all food on. Pay no so no pepsi. Coca-cola all had no sugar. No sugar grandfather. Read the bible. Every night surf brother. You've gotta get back. Where do you feel who's martinus. Also difficult restraint summers. My lot theft decided it'd be push ups. Yes e- push us everybody. That's what i'm talking about. I did putschists. You've ever not you see. The world evolved to see that we have a back president as you ever think that we'll have a black president not possible to have a back president with what was going on in unit sane in the world. No one else symphony free to nature happens in san. He's a frequent thing but it happens that the young people got together and they wanna change of so much gone on knows. The economy was bad man at the same world. You say the biggest save schools is saved the homes you save you save aired body and you know and then it criticized this trying to get a health system going unbelievable. I believe nick what he's done what he did for her. I'm really came along. Know i don't think anyone else go down that strata. Where where do you think you give from like two grown up. The way you grew up you went through adverse like you said a lot of people going through a lot of different things where you think that you've got it from me that you gone. Go challenge different things in advocate for the players and trying to do different things. They weren't just about you. You did things that were kind of selfless for the larger group. And where did you get that. Put in you from the band's association and i know that much about it jack boston anyway got me involved in in association and you're not learned. I didn't out night and other thing about it. So when i got there looking and reading the thing that would meet the very flasher bob association helped to the league's top felt. There was something wrong with basketball. Ghana's have control all the power and yeah and so we had said this this is wrong. I mean come.
ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"oscar robertson" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"Open a best to seven at top seeded Philadelphia on Sunday afternoon. The call from the nation's capital coming up in just a bit. First, Let's go back to Kevin winner Cast. E J. B. We are inside 30 minutes till tip off tonight and by the way, according to Caesar's William Hill Wizards 3.5 point favorite, Your total to 39. I have. The guys mentioned Russell Westbrook and the struggles that he had on Tuesday night in Boston, not his normal quote Uncle Russ Game. But would you bet against the guy that had 38 triple double this season? Or the guy that as an NBA career record 184 in just 13 years March 2nd 2009 Westbrook. First throw triple double. The national TV audience didn't know before they know now, Russell Westbrook best work is you're going to see how the 2016 17 M V P season gifts. He's got the rebound. Westbrook Longley's Oladipo lays it up then and there it is. Russell Westbrook joins Oscar Robertson as the only two players in the history of the MBA to average a triple double over the course of an MBA season. March 13 2018 SIDE Westbrook Cash actresses over Westbrook. Into the books his 1/100 career triple double on there, and I'm going to city man with my teammates and just happy I'm never come to something like that. February, 14 2019 felt fires along angle left quartering buries it from 27 ft. Away. Searching the thunder Moneyball Westbrook got his 11 straight triple double. That's his temp assist. 36 points. 10 rebounds. Tennis is for us. We're going to make any big triple double history. October 26 2019 Rebound Westbrook. That's his tent on there's the triple double passing Magic Johnson for second All time is hard, Mrs. A floater in the lane the other way. Greater, consummate, especially growing up. Never thinking I'll be playing in the NBA. And now I'm being there being a history books. Just the blessed with me is something that Don't take for granted. One maintains 2021 Gallery.
WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"oscar robertson" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"So Russell Westbrook. He made some history on Monday when he broke us go Robertson's record for a triple doubles. Westbrook snagged rebound in the fourth quarter of the Wizards lost to Atlanta on Monday. Giving him his 182nd triple double. He topped the Robertsons previous record of 181 crit, triple doubles, so some legendary stuff right there from Russell Westbrook. So is Russell Westbrook, a top five point guard in NBA history. Yes. Let me first tackle the triple double thing like when I was growing up Oscar Robertson's triple double season was like the thing of myth of legend, right and Russell Westbrook's about the average triple double for the fourth time. So I don't care what context you applied that its legendary top five point guard all time. Well, the point guard thing gets a little tough because it depends on who you consider point guard like LeBron James is probably the greatest point guard of all time, right? Like If you're really talking about somebody who orchestrates an offense and runs a team now James Harden is a point guard. Really by nature you're seeing with the Brooklyn Nets, but he's been more classified as a shooting guard, so I'll go with The guys who have been considered quote unquote point guards for for most of their career, the top two to me or Magic Johnson and Steph Curry. And, you know, Magic Johnson is the greatest point guard of all time. I think Steph Curry Um, at his peak is the best point guard ever, like, just like pure explosive ability, when when he's got it going Beyond that, there's a group of guys who are fighting for those next spots, and they all have a case. I think Chris Paul has a case up up high there. You know Chris Paul Um, the point God as he's been referred to and you see the impact he has on various teams when he gets there, John Stockton People don't realize the records that John Stockton has be assist record in the steals record. Where Chris Paul's the next closest guide to him in assists, and it's like Well over 5000 assists behind John Stockton. Obviously not gonna catch him Those records. They're gonna be out of reach. When? When John Stockton, you know, not when he retires. He's obviously been retired for a long time. But John stock and already put those numbers out of reach Isiah Thomas, you know and what he was able to accomplish with Pistons. On Ben, You have the likes of Jason Kidd and Steve Nash. And I'm probably forgetting guys, I would say. Russell Westbrook to me is if you want to make the case, he's top five. He's got it now. And you could say that without anyone dismissing it. Probably personally would haven't somewhere between five and 10. And and that's where he would land but Regardless, the guy's had a hell of a career, and there are legitimate critiques would like crunch time decision making lack of consistent jump shot all that sort of stuff. But you can't not What he just did. What's next? Another one.
WTOP
"oscar robertson" Discussed on WTOP
"Rough day here on Wall Street, Jeff, but that was down 620 points. That is 1.8% Money news in 10 Minutes on Double d t o P sports at 15 and 45, powered by Red River technology decisions aren't black and white. Think red. Let's turn now to George Wallace. What's going on? All right, mark history last night for the Wizards, Of course and Russell Westbrook. Triple double number 180 to 28 points. 13 boards. 21 Assist wizards Lose Good game with the Hawks 1 25 1 24 Wrest Brook would've had a shot or did have a shot at the buzzer that would have won it. But he continues to climb the ladder and now has topped Oscar Robertson with the 182nd triple double. He's not done shooting myself who I am. On. I'll never change because I've been blessed with the ability to be able to play this game and a little of that Nobody else can play that and I won't stop until you know I can't play no more and you'll keep going the rest of this season. Let's hope on the Bradley Beal missed last night till miss Wednesday's game against the Hawks as well as they come down the stretch this regular season capitols play the regular season finale tonight against the Bruins. Same team they will face in the playoffs beginning on Saturday. Nationals begin a serious with the Phillies tonight and Former net Jordan Zimmermann, the two time All Star. Of course, the first no hitter National's history, has just announced his retirement after 13 seasons toward Wallace, Toby Toby Sports All right, George 11 17 this weekend you have C 2 62 card is a big one with names from Tony Ferguson to Michael Chandler and no shortage of action. Draftkings Sports book The official Sports Betting partner of UFC has.
KOMO
"oscar robertson" Discussed on KOMO
"The attacker. For not wearing a mask More from Cuomo's Tammy Matassa Michael item, Miller was across the street watching the stabbing unfold. I see the reaction of him jabbing this son. And I grab my phone call 911 and the dad came out and start pushing son away. And the guy end up stabbing him multiple times in the back of the neck. Police are still looking for the attacker. Can't police officer was involved in a shooting overnight as we hear from comas Frank Lindsay what happened at the homestead apartments on 108th Avenue southeast near Southeast 208th Street around 9 40 last night, Police say one man was shot and rushed to the hospital. The officer involved was not hurt. The Valley Independent investigative team is now looking into the incident. Frank Lindsay Co. Moh new word yet what led to that shooting and we're waiting for an update on the wounded man's condition. Bellevue Police are anticipating protests tonight at the downtown park. It's in response to a free officer appreciation dinner, and some people consider to be controversial. More from comas. Michelle Esteban's happening at the Hyatt hosted by the Ministry of Billy Graham Evangelical Association counter protesters gonna be happening right at the same time now to be clear the invite from the Graham evangelical group at the Hyatt Regency in Bellevue surface last month. So did the invitation to Seattle police. That's when Seattle City Council's president questioned the invite insisting, participating with promoting an anti LGBT Q group and participating with the road public Trust, and she responded by rescinding the invitation. But the grand room kept the day that police anticipating groups protesting the event. It won't be the only protesters here. That's why did reach out to groups before they come to the city to make sure that we are communicating with them about what the rules are, and we expect anybody to come that comes to city to all those rules and that we don't have a result of injuries or damage That's building police Major Andrew Papa Chuck, who says they don't know how large the protest will get or if it will remain peaceful. $30 million earmarked to help Seattle reform policing is tied up in a squabble between the mayor and members of the City Council. That story from Cuomo's Corwin. Hey, the council allocated the $30 million in the heat of the defund Police movement. The money is intended for participatory policing that is giving the community served by police, some say in how the police budget is spent. This is something long advocated for by leaders, including Sean Glaze with King County Equity. Now we want to see ISA budget that reflects the fact that those closest to the issues are closest to the solution. But directing that money toward actual solutions has been delayed. A new CROSSCUT report says the council is waiting for Mayor Jenny Jerkins office. Come up with a spending plan. While the mayor's office says it's waiting for a bill from the council later today at a public meeting, the city Council takes up police budgeting once again. Corwin Hague Co. Moh news city workers spent part of the day cleaning up after Vandals tag Seattle police headquarters with graffiti police tell us it happened during a demonstration Sunday morning. Most of the graffiti featured anti police slogans. Police are looking for several people involved today. Tell us there is surveillance video but that it is not being released right now. Governor Jay Inslee has signed a measure into law aimed at preventing tens of thousands of people from having their driver's license is suspended because they have failed to pay fines. Bill signed yesterday eliminates failure to pay fines is a recent for license suspension of the drivers could face suspension if they failed to appear in court. The Legislature passed that, with bipartisan support. As many as 35 homeless veterans will be able to live at a new tiny home village opening in Orting faced opening started yesterday with a grand opening celebration planned for later this month. Each unit has a bathroom. A shower as well is a shared common area for cooking Co motors time. 5 10 Let's get to the beacon Plumbing sports task. Eric Hynes is in for Tom, the Mariners opening two games serious with the Dodgers tonight in Los Angeles. The EMS Air one game above 500 after dropping four of their last six games. Help could be on the way though ESPN is reporting the global call up. Jared kill Nick for his major league debut Thursday when they open a serious at home against Cleveland. Filmmakers hit five straight aces for Briana Stewart likes the team's roster, which has new players mixed with her attorneys from last year's W NBA championship team. I think that we're going to continue to kind of use our roster, use our new people to our advantage, and then at the same time, the ones that are coming back, they know this is something you know what we're trying to do, and They've tasted that winning feeling. The game tips off Saturday at 12 Noon on ABC. Do you Don't Men's soccer season came to an end. In the end, he double a tournament and Cary, North Carolina Yesterday, the Huskies lost Pittsburgh three. Nothing in the elite eight. The House. He's finished the season at 12 and four And Russell Westbrook of the Washington Wizards said it NBA record with his 182nd triple double, surpassing the mark set by Oscar Robertson in 1974. He's in his 13th MBA season. He was drafted by the SuperSonics before the team moved. Sports Attend and 40 minutes past the hour. 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KNBR The Sports Leader
"oscar robertson" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Makes some of the more head scratching decisions you'll ever see at the end of games, but Hey, the Wiz there winning games and they're going to get in the play in tournaments and who the hell would want to play him in Bradley Bill in a one game scenario, I know I know most teams would not really get excited about doing that. But This is a guy who is going to once again. Average, a triple double. He's done it before. He's done it a few times. And last night. With his 181st career triple double. He is. The the old time guy. He's going to have the most triple doubles all time, and we know we hear about Oscar Robertson all the time. Right, and he's tied him. For the all time n ba lead, and I know people don't Really get into a historian mode in the embassy. We have these different eras. And the possessions. The possessions are very important thing in the NBA, because when Oscar was doing it way back when The shooting percentages were horrific. Ah lot of missed shots. He was the most athletic guy on the floor. He was getting every rebound. And there were so many possessions in an NBA game. Very different from what we had seen in the last 25 30 years, although possessions per game are going up over the last few years, certainly because of the three point shooting in the analytics that are involved. Some of those numbers, not necessarily As impressive as we always want thought, because we've always been told about Oscar Robertson's incredible Triple double. Stat stuffing. But here's what's interesting to me. Russ has won 81 What have we said about LeBron James from the moment? He came into the league. That he was going to be. Averaging a triple double basically every year and it never has happened. With LeBron. Trying to see the closest That he has ever gotten to it because Last year. He led the MBA with 10.2 assists a game Pretty Pretty incredible for LeBron the age of 35 that he was able to do that, but rebounds kind of went down because he had got to the point where he was averaging 8.6 rebounds a game those last two years in Cleveland. And that's where topped out. So the question is, well, Why couldn't LeBron average 10 rebounds a game? He's pretty damn athletic. He's one of the most athletic freaks of nature in sports history. I would even confine it to the MBA. And he's got Sizable advantage in height. Over Russell Westbrook and LeBron has always been able to jump. I'd love to see what LeBron's vertical is now. I mean, his head's not exactly flying above the box like it used to, but he's still getting up there. He knows the game better than just about anybody. And so you gotta ask yourself the question. Why has LeBron never been able to do it? And I think there's an easy answer. Is because He could have if he wanted. He really could have, like We understand that right if LeBron wanted to get every rebound if you want to be on the low block for every free throw That's how you get like four easy ones a game. If you wanna out, wrestle your teammates for rebounds, LeBron could have done it. And LeBron is only focused on one thing and one thing only at this stage of his career and really over the last 10 years, and that's winning championships. The only thing that matters Russell Westbrook while it's been amazing, and very impressive what he's been able to pull off I don't know that you can necessarily say that. And I think this is where your proof is. Because we all understand LeBron is a more complete basketball player than Russell Westbrook. Does Russ. At times, I think actually have too many detractors. For the way he plays the game. Does it not look like the way basketball supposed to be played on me is 130 Miles an hour, But maybe at times it's smarter to be 90 Miles an hour, maybe sometimes 75. And I think that is the genius of LeBron is that he is able to figure out at what times in a game what times, especially in the playoffs. It's important. The harness some of those abilities and then other times where it's time. Put the foot On the pedal and go full throttle. I think just seen the fact that Russia has twice as many triple doubles as LeBron and their respective careers. It goes to show you that while it absolutely is impressive what Russ has been able to do I think it kind of shows that LeBron has played smarter. Russ's played harder at times. Absolutely, Russ. He's never been considered a great defender, but he can be a nuisance. He is helter skelter. He's all over the floor. He does play the game at a faster pace than most around the league. But is it smarter? You know, they always say work smarter, not harder. I think this is the perfect delineation where you could see that That's the difference. Don't get me wrong ruses so entertaining. He's always been entertained if you've ever been fortunate enough to see him. Up close and personal is pretty amazing. What he's able to do, and I have to say the fact that he's been able to get back to form compared to where he was last year, where look like He was close to being finished. You know, sometimes sad When you see these MBA stars at the end, just fall off a cliff you saw with the key Malaj Juan, you saw it with Patrick Ewing. I would wager to say even even Allen Iverson at the end. Kind of nose dived, and then you've got other guys like Vince Carter, who've been able to prolong their careers and get smarter as time goes by. That's what I'm curious to see. About Russell Westbrook. Because he's not that old..
WTOP
"oscar robertson" Discussed on WTOP
"Jay Brooks, the capital's with another win last night, even though there was nobody out there that anybody recognizes nobody. That's right. John T. Joe, she left early. John Carlson. Niklas Backstrom. Not there. Of course. Alex Ovechkin still out with that lower body injury, all that The cat still want to one in overtime over Philadelphia. The good news is they secured the second spot in the East Division up next the regular season finale Tuesday against Boston. A seven o'clock face off Washington will face either the Bruins or the Islanders in the first round of the postseason. Both of those teams play tomorrow point apart, the standing so we could find out the opponent for the caps. Then. Also Alex Ovechkin, a huge soccer fan becomes an investor in the Washington Spirit Wizards also working overtime. 1 33 1 32 victory at Indiana, now 1/9 place in the division. Bradley Beal 50 points but missed the extra session with a tight hammy and a sprained ankle. Full rest Brooke with his 181st career triple double, tying him with Oscar Robertson for The all time record. He also poured in 33 points in the victory up next The Wiz at Atlanta Monday at 7 30 last place that's lost the Yankees, 4 to 3 and 11 despite Max. Sure, there's 14 strikeouts. Rubber game Today is Joe Ross gets the one Oh, five start last place so second straight loss to the Boston Red Sox 11 6 the final Today. Game three of the four game series at one of five is Dean Kramer throws for the O. C and D. C United Lost to Columbus Crew 3 to 1, the black and red Oh, and three so far on the road this season. Jay Brooks w T o P Sports. It was an unconventional host on Saturday night Live last night. We'll tell you about it just ahead. It's 9 47. New bet MGM customers concern $1 into 100 when they bet on any Washington nationals game. Sign up for the bed..
News, Traffic and Weather
Westbrook Ties Robertson's Record, Wizards Beat Pacers
"Point guard Russell Westbrook is tying one of the all time greats. He recorded his 181st career triple double Saturday in the Wizards win against the Indiana Pacers with 33 points, 19 rebounds and 15 assists The feet ties Hall of Famer Oscar Robertson for the most in NBA history in
WTOP
"oscar robertson" Discussed on WTOP
"Say 45 in time for Dave Johnson. You know, we just can't stop says Can't stop talking about what Wizards Russell Westbrook is 32nd triple double this season. Wizards won 54 1 41 whatever the Pacers can't stop talking about him, but it's not about him. You gotta be a to make somebody around. You better take a lot of pride in effort, energy in time and watching film and to be able to make others around me better. And does he ever Russell Westbrook matches career high with 24 assists last night, said a girl. You're high with 21 rebounds, and now Westbrook is guaranteed average a triple double this season, fourth time in his career. Oscar Robertson, the only other player to do this, and he did it once back in 1962, head coach Scott Brooks and what he does, There's no point guards ever done it for him. The average four triple doubles in five years. What Oscar said about him was to me that was real. He's doing M V P type things every game that Westbrook of the Wizard's within a half game of the basis for ninth place in the battle for the play and spot in New York Capital 631 over The Rangers. Three goals of the third, very dangerous sprung the game winner on the night when the capsule missing players, including of getting Kuznetsov will use episode off for disciplinary reasons, said coach Peter Laviolette. There's gotta be rules is gonna be boundaries on Gotta be expectations set and Alex Ovechkin's come back from injury only lasted 39 seconds. Orioles rallied for a 531 over the Mariners. Dave Johnson over you till be sports straight ahead on w T o P Water safety tips for beach Days and pool parties. I'm Mike Murillo. It's 8 47. Way make us a insurance for veterans like James, a former drill instructor made of high expectations when he got into a fender bender and called his old insurance company. He got the run around..
WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"oscar robertson" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"Time for another edition of another one on the Robin Lundberg Show, the rumors, reports and ridiculous from the week itwas Here's Robin Lundberg. Perfect. We're gonna go NBA today. A lot of MBA talk so Russell Westbrook, he registered his 30th triple double of the season. In Wednesday night's victory over the Lakers. So Westbrook, now five triple doubles away from Oscar Robertson's NBA record after the game on Wednesday. LeBron shared a message on Instagram and the caption was below a picture of both him and Westbrook LeBron said. We know you all hate and don't appreciate. But we just laugh it off. But one thing you will do is respect it us. So there's Russell Westbrook get the respect he deserves. Robin. You know, here's the problem. With this, like there are legitimate flaws in Westbrook's game that maybe you could point out and say, Yeah, they've limited his team's or his success. In certain moments. You know his ability to shoot the ball. For instance, especially You know, in in these stages of his career, you could play off. He sometimes gets a little bit too. Hyperactive down the stretch of games. Doesn't necessarily make the best decisions, stuff like that. At the same time. He's also You know, a Hall of Fame level player who does stuff that is, you know, just all inspiring to see grabbing the ball off the rim, taking it down the length of the floor, you know, in in a blur. The problem is the tea to be quite Frank. I think the news cycle you know, social media and the 24 7 news cycles were constantly talking about these guys all the time. People are all having an opinion. That leads to just nit picking or or unfair.
Wendell's World & Sports
"oscar robertson" Discussed on Wendell's World & Sports
"More possessions. More statistical opportunities restrictions on defenders. They've been trying to promote more freedom. More movement on offense players are more encouraged to shoot three point shots which means that long rebounds happened a lot more. Now you're speaking about three. Ought to brace where you have. The shooter go to the corner. The shoot a three pointer which lends itself to more rebounding opportunities. This is what reynolds was talking about in the piece that he did about the three point. Shot so you know. Basically it's like well you know again. Westbrook has more opportunities to get a triple double. I'm sorry when oscar robertson averaged his triple double in the nineteen sixty one fifty two season. Do you remember the statistical overflow. That was happening the typical throw up. That was happening in the league. Nineteen sixty one sixty two. That was the year that will enable an average fifty points a game and scored one hundred and one game. That was the year that elgin baylor average. I believe. Thirty eight points per game and like eighteen rebounds a game playing only on the weekend because he was enlisted in the army. There was a lot of statistical light incredible anomalies going on to wear oscar robertson averaging thirty seven points a game fourteen fifteen rebounds ten eleven assists per game. Take a look at the take a look at the points per game during the nineteen sixty one sixty two season and it was a eighteen league during that time i think the lowest scoring team in the league was at one hundred twelve hundred and thirteen points again. You had multiple teams that year averaging one hundred and twenty four hundred and twenty seven hundred and twenty eight points a game. How many shots do you think they were putting up during a game. So if you wanna use the argument toward russell westbrook his triple doubles being devalued or does not that big of a deal because of the way that the games played the points that are being scored in the way defenders can defend people and the advent of the three point shot. And how important that's become. That might be fine and you could use that. You could make an argument out of that. But then again. If i'm sitting there also and i want to foolishly tried to diminish with oscar robertson data nineteen sixty one sixty two. I can say well how many scoring opportunities many rebounding opportunities. How many assists opportunities do you think that's robertson had in the league where the medium four scoring port with somewhere around one hundred and eighteen and you only have eighteen in that lead. So you're speaking about opportunities that could triple doubles robertson. Tired of playing what. Maybe over forty minutes a game. Averaging over forty minutes a game and a season where again you will chamberlain scoring over fifty. You had walt bellamy scoring over thirty. I think the top five or six players in the nba as scoring wives concern. Where all over thirty points. A game shelter being put up. Lana shot for being put up..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"oscar robertson" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"It doesn't make sense. It's one thing to name the mvp award of the all star game after him. It's another thing to say. He's going to be the like not the face of the league but the silhouette of the league as as the logo and the criticism howard would be justified. It wouldn't just see people complaining. For the sake of complaining. People that will come out of the woodwork will have a legitimate gripe i believe a legitimate case and the people on the other side who who are going to say that this kobe bryant is more than just that one moment that is that's strong and potentially persuasive or as well it's more just a matter of as a practical matter. It doesn't make sense even invite that debate but it's also like this is just so let's let's just move onto the the actual fundamentals of of of a logo and this league. Why are we even having discussion at all. Well i guess you know vanessa. Bryant weighed in and jeanie buss as a team owner who obviously jeannie carries a lot of weight herself as as one of thirty owners in this league and somebody who's respected and who has an important voice and kyrie irving. I think as you put it speaks for like an entire generation of players maybe all nba players is certainly a ton of them who who worship kobe and everything he stood for and consider him an inspiration and influence. But there's no real reason to consider changing the logo. The nba has had for decades. I would also say. I don't know that it should be a specific player. I mean the nba will tell you. It's not a specific player right. So we've all understood it to be jerry west for the longest time and jerry west of leaving joke about. I'm the logo right. And we all refer to him as the logo. The nba has never officially acknowledged that they kind of. Actually you know the outright tonight or they just kind of try to dis- assembles the right word about it. They don't they don't really Promote that at all interesting piece the other day on his blog from terry lyons longtime mba executive who worked in pr and other other roles in the nba going all the way back to the beginnings of the stern era and terry has seen those at all he produced in his blog. There's a photo of oscar robertson dribbling against jerry west in which oscar robertson is in the exact pose of the logo that we are so familiar with and terry lyons who again has been the beginning. Says there aren't that many great photos of this era of the nba. But there is this. One of oscar. Robertson looks exactly like the logo. Terry lyons says. I may be the only one but i believe the logo was in fact actually oscar robertson ironically dribbling against jerry west in this photo the nba will say. No it's just it's a generic player if we were going to change it. Why would it be kobe. Not michael jordan. Why would it be kobe and not. I don't know lebron. He's still playing. But why wouldn't it be magic. Why wouldn't be kareem. I wouldn't be bill russell bill russell..
Lance McAlister
Cincinnati women's senior IImar'I Thomas scores record 51 points in 76-61 win at ECU
"From the UC women's basketball team. Set a school record earlier today. Scoring 51 points in a victory at East Carolina 51 points. The women's college basketball record is 60. So she only missed that by nine points. She's the first woman in Cincinnati history to score 50 or more in a game. She's one of two bear cats to do it. Oscar Robertson, the other Oscar did it often He had six games with 50 or more points, but just incredible performance. Congratulations to Omari Thomas 51 points without a three point shot. She is an interior player. She was 20 for 27 from the floor 11 for 13 from Alliance. He had 12 rebounds. 10 on the offensive end to score 51 points tonight. She's up to 23.4 her senior year, and that is ninth best in the country. So that leads to this
WBAP 820AM
"oscar robertson" Discussed on WBAP 820AM
"Chilly when the Buccaneers touchdown on Saturday afternoon in Wisconsin that you're looking for Yes. You were talking about Chris stops producing this last night in his effort. Uh, it has become commonplace. Have you noticed? That we overlook Luca, don't change. Already. Well, like folks are mentioning him from last night. What did it tell tell how what Luca did last 13 points. 12 rebounds, 11 assists. Which is a double another triple, double, triple double. Okay. He is getting triple double team when he's on the court, and he's recognizing that, so he's just getting it to guys who are open. They score. Man's win. Yeah. He's becoming more of a Team player, right? Yes. Did you catch? What happened? A couple of Steve Steve reported this. Did you catch what happened A couple of days ago now. No, no, don't reach past Michael Jordan. Number of triple doubles in his career. Now that Zach something to talk about, and I think Last night. He joined Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. As the third player to have recorded 30 triple doubles in the fewest number of games. And He's only 21 years old. He did it in 146 games. It took Magic Johnson 190. I'd like to see the first player to do a double triple, though. Now that would be something that now then you've got something to have any points out. 100 rebounds, 100 points 100 rebounds hits You You have to take 200 shots because you have to get his own. Remain exactly. Yeah. If you ever watched him play Oh, I mean, he doesn't miss Yeah. He He's just getting better and better, And I just bring this up because I worry. We're not appreciating him enough. You know what I'm saying? He's one of those iconic players how they come around once in your lifetime. And look Look a dog check. Yes. Yeah, with language. Yeah. Okay. He's been great ever since he got there. Yes, I think still has the number one selling jersey in the MBA. I don't doubt that yet. Kids all over the country, just loving Yes. Yes. But but another one last night. It's so now he joins Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. As he's passed Michael Jordan Mm. Pre amazing staff who's gonna be Dennis Rodman. And the nose rings? Yeah. Exactly. Kill Elliot. Well in with Zeke, is it okay? It's 50 not. Ow!.
Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"oscar robertson" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Had custom jewelry made that had the letter T. C B on it with a lightning bolt. It meant taking care of business in a flash on Tuesday versus Minnesota. That's what the Nuggets stick T C B taking care of business. Many was writing the struggle bus. They lost four straight games, including a 1 24 to 1, or nine loss to Denver on Sunday in Minneapolis. Denver was looking to avoid a letdown when the teams met again back in the mile High city and when the Nuggets and temples play lately, the Nuggets always tcby take care of business. The last time the temple's beat the Nuggets was on the final day of the regular season in 2000 and 18. Minnesota defeated Denver and over time many went to the playoffs. The Nuggets missed since that game. The Nuggets have not lost versus the T wolves in on Tuesday. They made it a smooth 10 straight victories over their friends from the frozen wasteland of Minnesota. Montana throws it downloaded your Michael Green and he dunked a home with two hands. Nice speed. Monty more rebound down in the coal Yokich. He opens in the front court over to Gary Harris. There's behind him. Barton wide open three pointers up and in hope it's with another dog with two hands. On the other end, Jared Vanderbilt got hung out to dry back to you. The way comes Number Euro step by Nicola Yokich. The lay up is up and in and the Joker has a season high 33 points in the basketball game. Go along with 15 rebounds and six dimes. Joker scored 24 of his 35 in the second half. 13 of those points came in the fourth. You Michael Green had 17 off the bench. Will Barton chipped in 20 in the Nuggets attempted 45 free throws their most in a game that didn't go into overtime since 2000 and 16. The Nuggets defense last in the second quarter when they gave up 43 points, but they held the temples without a bucket for five straight minutes late, sealed away the wind 1 23 21 16, All five Nuggets starters were in double figures, and the Nuggets have won the last 12 games. When that happens, Joe grad 35 15 and six He and Oscar Robertson are the only players in the history the MBA to put up over 150 points over 75 rebounds and over 75 assists the first seven games of any season. Former nugget want you hurting. Gomez led Minnesota with 25 points, and that Brings us to tonight and.
In Black America
In Black America: Spencer Haywood
"Player and very like we had out here in Vegas gained all of the players on that team Blake Griffin. All of the young guys coming up and giving me hugs and kisses. And thank you me because you know in that situation just in terms of dollars from Lebron James. He's got an extra one hundred million dollars. Toby gotta one extra one hundred million dollars Lake Griffin got an extra fifty million dollars Kevin Durant who give me a big hug and kiss each got seventy five million dollars extra so the number one dollars and sense that give you an example of what it is because with with four years have yet to wait four years after your high school graduate. You wouldn't lose that kind of capital and you lose that plant on you will lose four entitled number. That will help them get into the hall. Laid on those numbers would be race. And you don't know what happened four years then in College Spencer Haywood Aba Nba Legend and hall of Famer. Hey will always be remembered that the person opened the door for underclassmen college basketball players to leave college early to enter the NBA thereby creating the Spencer Haywood Rule Haywood attended the University of Detroit and help the US Olympic team to a gold medal at the nineteen sixty eight summer games in Mexico City. Nineteen sixty eight. After two years in college he decided to enter the NBA draft citing family financial hardship the NBA however at the time for players entering the draft until four years. After the high school graduation. Hey would then sign with the ABA. Denver rockets play one season leading the league in scoring and rebounding as a rookie since he now had a professional season under his belt he decided to challenge the NBA rule. Once again and signed with the Seattle Supersonics in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine the NBA wasn't having it. Hey will the league all the way to the US or frame court and one on September eleven? Two Thousand Fifteen. He wasn't Tryin Naismith Basketball Hall of fame. I'm John Johansen Junior and welcome to another edition of and Black America on this week's program. Aba An NBA Legend and hall of Famer Semester. Haywood in Black America. Charles Barkley went out on a limb when this stuff was acting when they were acting crazy. And I'm they missed me like the last time of going into the hall of fame and I was like put on the backburner right house. Barclay stepped up and said on. Nuff is enough and did it publicly. He did it every way you said enough is enough now. This is not right and he stood up as a player and he started educating young players. Like do y'all know who is in our presence with Spencer Haywood Blah Blah. And he started talking about. You know there's like three cases that changed the face of force in one dispenser Haywood Heywood versus the NBA. I went to the Supreme Court and then play a young player. Started like Whoa wait a minute. I know him I see him but I never knew that until Charles was the one that should should should be there. And he's my what you call. My advocate advocate is Just to a good person. Just a wonderful person. Spencer Haywood won Olympic gold medal in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight at age nineteen and signed with the Seattle Supersonics two years later after dominating the ABA and a case that went to the US Supreme Court he sued the NBA or rule that prohibited players being draft until the league until they waited for years after graduating from high school. He won that case and nineteen eighty. He won a world championship with the Los Angeles Lakers as a twenty rookie in nineteen sixty nine. Seventy season he led the American Basketball Association both scoring and rebounding and was named the League's Most Valuable Player and rookie of the year. One on April twenty seven nineteen forty nine and silver city Mississippi into a family of Chen Children Hayward grew up in a dying era of American history. His mother picked cotton for two dollars a day and Heywood joined her in the field at the age of five hundred sixty four he moved to Chicago then to Detroit in the motor city. He leads pershing high school to the one thousand nine hundred sixty seven Michigan class. A State Basketball Championship. He went on to a stellar careers at Trinidad State Junior College and the University of Detroit in the summer of nineteen nine hundred sixty eight. He helped the United States to a gold medal at the Olympic Games in Mexico City on September. The eleventh. Two Thousand Fifteen. Hey what was inducted into Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of fame? My first reaction was You know is this fact in. Is this true because I had had Three falls a long before that because most reporters and most people who look at numbers and they at by numbers as a player and that this guy was. Mvp of the ABA averaging thirty and twenty five years with the Seattle Supersonics average in twenty six and thirteen and Olympic record holder and all of these different categories and as still as leading score and also was the outstanding college player of the year. So they look at all these things and they just assume that everybody thought again. Then you know also I went to the Supreme Court to fight he would versus the NBA to pave the way for Lebron's Michael Jordan magic. All of them they come through what is called. I the NBA. They call it early entry and now. I think it should be called what it is to Spencer. Haywood because they have the Larry Bird rule and they have Oscar Robertson. Rule regrettably Oscar but I know they promote birds and Larry Bird's modified version of my role. Larry Bird came in on a dispenser. It will but anyway so for years we thought this would happen and then there was a couple of false alarms that it did happen. So I was kidding around with John Deliver with the The Chairman and CEO. The hall and he was mentioning. You know. Well I probably spend Kareem. Rise is always the top. Yeah I said well. What does that got to do with with Kareem abdul-jabbar? My my blonde jokes Right so so Yeah it was. It was delighted. Mandic to get the call and to finally get to call it. Finally get it in but you know my mother used to sing this whole Psalm Lord and may not come when you want and buddies right on time. And that's my Jackson right so you know if it had to happen any other time. I think it would have been not as powerful as it is today and It was right on time. And it's on God's time so I'm very grateful and very humble Vita journey understand so once. You heard that you were going to be inducted. Walk us through that period from the time that you got to call to the induction ceremony that took place last Friday. September the eleventh. What all the activities have you been involved with. Well I've been all over the country Speaking and people wanting to know this story because it's a unique story and it is basketball history but yeah you know it hasn't been told so It's a new newfound appreciation for Spencer. Haywood so players have been embracing me like only at USA basketball here. In Las Vegas Games all the players on that team Blake Griffin. All of the young guys coming up and giving me hugs and kisses and thanking me. Because you know that situation just in terms of dollars and cents per Lebron James. He's got an extra one hundred million dollars. Coby got a one extra one hundred million dollars but griffin got extra fifty million dollars Kevin Durant who give me a big hug. 'cause he's got seventy five million dollars extra so that's the numbers in dollars and sense that. I give you an example of what it is because with with four years. If you have to wait for years after your high school classic graduate you would lose that kind of capital and you'll lose that plan time loser scoring titles you'll lose numbers that will help them get into the hall. Later on those numbers would be raced. And you don't know what's going to happen in four years in college. You could get hurt. A lot of things could happen so they fully appreciating news. So it's a good feeling because of forty four years more to this to happen so it is It is right on time on God. Signed so and then I went to I've been doing a lot of golf. Tournaments or charitable events and also just playing a lot and I spend a Lotta time with my family. My daughters and in fact I gotTA leave Again next week my next two oldest daughters having our first grand and So I gotta go in go through the process with her and It is it is a spectacular time and I also sit back John and and think about the times we were sitting in your dad's barber shop. They all sunset and this and just Nevada in Detroit for people who don't know right in Detroit Michigan and John Fathers where we congregate And and and and do our conversation and get a nice. Yeah because he didn't allow us to walk around. I hair off falling away years and stuff. So that's right. Yeah you know that's right So we would sit there and listen and talk and just pass the ball sports but all so I've been reflecting on Detroit. I went over to my neighborhood yesterday. day before yesterday and spent some time over there. Thursday and looking around and just just hearing up. Because done you know the story you know. When I came up from Mississippi I had no place to say I had no family there and James and either bill took in and adopted me along with my coach. Will Robinson and then we had waned diet. Dr Wayne die of your your own zone by Diet. Right Do all of my academics bring me up to snuff there. Oh my God it was just A. It's just a lot of love was having an and I see in Detroit and it's always been that way you know. They've always reached out and help each
SportsCenter AllNight
Oscar Robertson happy to see athletes take stance, calls on white athletes to do the same
"Can't be i think more moreover in the nba draft you see a lot of big is getting getting grabbed do you do you see it going back to the big band the more dominant guy in the center only if you can play a lot of that a lot of big big guys in the world today a lot of them can't play a lot of you know we have to baby step out of the center sometime and play a guard a little bit on defense but they have the ability they don't have a jill jill cream had so therefore you don't have to play like russell you don't have those type of players so therefore you can't use them in the can't use them anymore because now big men go outside and shoot three point shots and you gotta go out and play defense it just a matter that the athlete today i think overall has gotten a lot better and what at what they're doing and what they're doing look at golden state they're doing extremely well oscar robertson talking about the oncourt achievements of today's athletes the big ole also commending the off court activism of today's nba players although the hall of famer did wonder aloud why more white athletes aren't speaking out as well robertson on hand for the lifetime achievement award received from charles barkley and kareem abduljabbar whom he referenced in that piece there at the nba awards robertson of course the career leader in triple doubles i player to average a triple double for the season is anti trust case against the nba also ushered in free agency for players so he's talking contracts as well best coach this season guy wanna being sacked that's next sportscenter allnight continues it's espn radio ben simmons was named rookie of the year in the nba did he not spend a year in the nba last year sportscenter allnight what's like yeah a lot just think about puppies or whatever scalpel surgery nobrainer anesthesia barbasol nobrainer finally making razors to go along with america's favorite shaving cream try barbasol ultra six plus razor with six ultra thin blades for a close comfortable shave save now at barbasol.
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The best moments along Russell Westbrook's journey to 100 career triple-doubles - NBA
"Fifty eight the final saint bonaventure first tournament win since nineteen seventy in the elite eight bob lanier was there saint bonaventure advances and up next as the eleven seed they get the number six seed in the east in florida sportscenter allnight espn radio from college to the nba and tuesday in atlanta hawks and thunder and we had a major milestone as russell westbrook picks up his one hundredth career triple double thirty two points twelve rebounds twelve assists fourth player in nba history with one hundred triple doubles oscar robertson magic johnson jason kidd the other three westbrook spoke with fox sports oklahoma in the second half you hold him to just forty one points what did you notice the difference down the stretch there good job using our hands before you see a guy like jeremy grant step up without paul george without stephen adams say about this group to be able to just be next man great guys great job congratulations on your one hundred triple double of your career only four other four guys to ever do that field of dns territory with some of these legends of the game.