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"oscar charleston" Discussed on KGO 810
"Hi. Welcome to KGO. You're on with John Shea. Go ahead. Mhm. John so real quick. There was a great book called Whitey about Whitey Ford isn't there, So when you first brought him up? I remember that it's difficult. You can't say that word anymore because it's you know, like people in Colorado with KKK mask on, but so what? We used to go to Candlestick. I was four or 56 years old or something. It was 50 cents to sit in the outfield and they had a lot of doubleheaders back then there's no such thing as double hitters back now and so, but we will walk around and they let us leave the outfield. Bleachers and go to the front and he would come out and sign. I have signed baseball card from him and all his teammates. He was the nicest guy. This was before they started making a stand in line in paying $50 for an autograph. I imagine exactly, And I couldn't imagine Willie would ever do that. No, I can't. I couldn't imagine either, John. You know him? What do you think? Would he charged for an autograph? Oh, yeah. Who wouldn't? I mean, that's what the thing is with. Really amazing. Top salary was $165,000 right? He missed out. He didn't have an agent. There is no free agency. There is no union. And after retirement, the eighties blew up and all of a sudden their autographs were worth something he wished he would have kept his cap in his uniform and his glove. Uh, because he didn't know they were going to be worth anything. And so that's when in the eighties, all these players who some of them didn't have much money Suddenly they became popular on the autograph circuit and the card shows and which was great for them to the pensions weren't what they are now. So that was their way to make a buck and profit off their baseball career because they certainly didn't do it as players. Let's go to Damon. Damon is calling from San Leandro Damon. Hi. Welcome to kgo your I'm with John Shea. The book is 24 life stories and lessons from the say Hey, kid, go ahead. Oh, hi, Pat. Uh, I just want to say about Willie Mays. He's about all time Favorite ballplayer and, um He was actually almost signed by the Boston Red Sox. Also Hank Aaron, imagine if those two guys have been batting back to back, it probably would have had 1000 home runs in that ballpark. Well, what happened? Why didn't the Red Sox pick them up? Well, they they had raced at that particular pass at that particular time. They didn't want no black ballplayers. They would've blast They were the last team to integrate. They were the last team to integrate fund. Black ballplayers are concerned, that's all I want to say. I love Willie Mays. Yeah, well, they shot themselves in the foot, didn't they, John? Damon is absolutely right. The Red Sox were the last team to integrate with the Bay Area zone pump See Green in 1959 12 years after Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. Ownership with the Red Sox, Uh, scouted Willie Mays. And guess what. The Red Sox is double a team played at Rick Woodfield in Birmingham. And shared the facility with Willie's Birmingham Black barons So no major league team knew Willie Mays like the Boston Red Sox. I was talking to Willie the other day about this And he said the Red Sox could've had be easy and Imagine that the Red Sox were awful for a long time because they refused to have any minorities on their team. And every you know the American League was slow. The Yankees were slow. The Dodgers were first. The Giants had the most diverse clubhouse in baseball in the early by the early sixties. But even in those early years, it was quoted as the Giants didn't have one or three or five. They had two or four So the black players could room together because even then they couldn't go to the restaurants with the white players that can go the hotels with the white player. This is Willie Mays being denied, and he's absolutely right that the Yankees scouted them out of Birmingham, the Dodgers, the White Sox, the Red Sox, the Boston Braves. Who blew it. All these teams blew it. The Giants won the lottery. They gave him the money and Think of, if not just Boston, Damon. But what if Hank and Willie were on the same team with the Braves and the Yankees were in on him as well. What if Mantle and Mays We're on the same team who play center field, But all these teams had reason stupid reason he couldn't hit the curb. He's not our kind of guy, and obviously a lot of racist owners just didn't want a black man at that time. And it just they all look silly it all you know they You know, they spent the rest of their time regretting it, obviously because the great maze could have turned any of these teams in the dynamic wall clubs. So, um, is there any footage that you know of where people actually recorded the games that were played in the Negro leagues? It seems like there were so many fabulous players that those would have been some amazing games to watch. Yeah, You're right. And I mean, there is actually I've been in the Negro League Museum in Kansas City, Missouri, and I recommend everybody go there. It's just a fabulous place and Bob Kendrick, the president is remarkable. And he has quoted in this book speaking about how Willie Mays validated so many Negro League players who didn't get the chance. Right? Uh and and Willie, the teenager on the Birmingham black barons is the soup. Or starve yet his teammates Who were all very good, some of whom should have been in the majors. Um one or two were but only for a short spell. Already Wilson, the shortstop, Bill Greece and the picture they had just cups of coffee in the major's wife because of the color of their skin. The white team's wanted the superstars. If we're going to get average players to sit on the bench or You know, be a platoon player or be a relief pitcher. We'll just stick with the white guys. And that was a shame for all those teammates of Willie and all the people who came before Willie. But Willie in Hank, and all these wonderful ballplayers validated the careers of all those Negro leaks. Some you know, some people might have said Well, were they good enough? Of course they were good enough. Major league Baseball wasn't good enough. Uh, you know, as it turned out, um and Babe Ruth faced inferior competition because Babe Ruth never faced minority pitching, or, um, yeah. You know, there was never just Gibson, you know? Cool. Papa Bell, Oscar Charleston, Satchel Paige. None of these guys were able to play in white baseball so How good were those players? Really? I mean, they were fast. They were wonderful. All these white players, superstars. They were great, but maybe they wouldn't been as great if they say if everybody was allowed to play in those leaks and compete. Yeah, Exactly. John Shea is my guest. The book is 24 life stories and lessons from the say, Hey, Katie wrote the book with Willie Mays and we'll be right back with John on K G. Okay, we get it. You don't want to be hearing a progressive commercial right now. So let us tell you something You do want to hear. You.
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"He'll always regret his failure to include players from the negro leagues among the ghost players. Which you know looking back now makes me feel like that's enough to relegate this film to the aspen of history and it's not something that we should continue to celebrate say remake field of dreams. Call it feel fuck. Y'all and have cool papa. Bell and josh gibson oscar charleston and judy
"oscar charleston" Discussed on The Bronx Pinstripes Show - Yankees MLB Podcast
"Twelve two thousand twenty one between the new york. Yankees and the chicago white sox. Major league baseball couldn't ask for a better match up as they have to. American league contenders squaring off in a game that features possibly the american league. Cy young front runner and many sluggers. I got to be on the field helping me. Preview the events and game from bronx pinstripes. It's andrew rotundi and andrew. What's up man. You didn't even practice the last name beforehand and you nailed it so nice job on that. Thanks for having me on it cuts deep when you say possibly the american league cy young that being lance lynn lance lynn. A guy the yankees had very briefly before he decided to turn into the second. Coming of roger clements. Well we're loving it on the south side and speaking outside from socks machine. It's jim margolis which you could follow at sock machine and you could follow bronx pinstripes on twitter at bronx pinstripes and follow andrew ads. Andrew underscore rotondi and jim. Are you ready for the first major league. Baseball game ever played in the state of iowa more or less. It's just kind of a dan the calendar to me. I'm trying to get excited about it. I think i might get more excited about at one. Say actually see it for myself. But so far i would say the marketing isn't quite sucking me and yet we're off to great start on guys. You're you're not. You're not you're not getting like all the all the nostalgic feels like. Are you guys fans of the movie. I guess if you're not a fan of the movie might be cares what's going on here i. I wonder how twelve year old or a fifteen year old feels about this game. That's a good question for me. I enjoy the movie As someone That lost her father at a very early age. The very last part of the movie spoiler alert Gets me almost every single time when it's on. Mlb oil a thirty year old movie. You still got to you. I mean i. I keep running into people that are like i've never seen the movie. Should i see the movie before the game. And i don't wanna ruin the ending for all sir. I don't know that it's necessary to see the movie before the game. Although although i think kevin costner is going to be there so you might. Just be confused by kevin. Costner's there if you don't see the movie beforehand. Yeah it's you know. I'm a fan of the movie. I'm not a fan like it's not an accurate shoeless. Joe jackson from new jersey batting righty rather than south carolina batting. Lefty it just like you. You kind of have to draw a line there and silk treating this as like an authentic baseball movie or is it my treating it like a story. That's using baseball as a vehicle to kind of tell the arc of these characters and look at more like that way so it's a good movie like the performances are good. I like that You know it was one of the rare movies. I remember like watching it. In rewatching the nineties where the lead female character amy meetings character is like helping propel the story. She's not like somebody who gets in the way she's not somebody to overcome. She sat a doubter of the main character. she's involved. she's a big reason why the plot can happen. Same thing with the female characters in the movie are actually involved and Supporting what's going on and driving timothy bus character is the one who's kind of a blanket on the whole proceeding so i thought that was cool. I would say the one thing that bothers me watching. It is when you have the extra coming out of the cornfield. Not just the white sox but the players they roped in talking about all these guys You know they're pointing out. Who's coming back. And they say gil hodges but they don't say like josh gibson oscar charleston like well terrence. Mann is talking about like how baseball is great and ties the years together generations and how it heals. America like they have no representation of the players who were banned from playing until nineteen forty seven so it seems like they re wrote that part or remastered like star wars style to where you just have like some negro leagues players players coming out of the corn and joining them. I think you kind of get that ideal version of what baseball is. But without that kind of that's one thing that i think sticks out and bothers me and stopped from completely enjoying the movie. I think you you. You certainly make some a lot of valid points there. I think as diehard baseball fans which the three of us are that we we have that take on the movie which we probably have on a lot of different movies. I think the classic example of that is people. Get mad at the movie. Moneyball because berra's ito tim hudson mark moulder were never mentioned. I'm sorry that's the reason the oakland as one hundred games. Not because scott had a burden had a hot april. So i just think that it's a certain for for hollywood for movie purposes. Sometimes they have to do that sort of thing but yet your points are all heard loud and clear so the event itself right now. If you go to stub hub as we are recording this the cheapest ticket i could find is nine hundred. Seventy five dollars per seat. If you want to sit behind home plate it's twenty two hundred dollars per seat behind home plate. And i also look this up because the field of dreams is at dyers ville iwa the median household. Income is sixty one thousand four hundred dollars so you do some household math. And if it's your mortgage or your rent is twenty five percent of your household income. This game for local residents is the cost of a month mortgage Which seems a bit insane for one regular season baseball game. Not a postseason game now. It is special that it's the first major league baseball game in iowa. But andrew i know yankees fans are willing to put up some money Especially when it comes to post season tickets but is the event too expensive for fans to attend to have this be an annual thing. Oh well debbie an annual thing. That's that's a different question. I've seen baseball major league baseball getting critiqued for the fact that ticket prices are out of control and i guess the only thing they could do in that case is not allow for third party tickets stub or whatever to purchase tickets and they would only make them direct direct to individuals with maybe four being the limit that you can purchase or something like that and then you could cabinet at three hundred or four hundred dollars because it is still in demand. There's only seven or eight thousand seats so it's a supply and demand thing but so are you. Do you guys think baseball should have done that. Like to make this game more accessible to the fans in that in those in that area that would be most likely to go to the game. I'm i'm not sure. I'm the game that comes to mind when it comes. The closest parallel can think of recently was the game at fort bragg Where the head hill. Only trying to think of the capacity under ten thousand. I think they could show up but that wasn't a military base so he could limit the capacity to people who could actually get into the base. And so you'd have to worry about scalper selling to marlins man or whoever to try to get in like they marlins venomous definitely be. Yeah guarantee you that so it was that kind of situation where like when you have an open stadium in public in a town where you know anybody can show up. I don't know what you can do. And i feel bad for you. Know i guess locals because was already a place where you can't watch most ballgames like i think they're blacked out of five or six teams. I think like just any neighboring state a team in neighboring state. they might wanna watch. They can't do an animal btv that hope that they're your cable providers provider has the channel so it strikes me as a little bit or maybe tone deaf to market a game in iowa which is already a hotbed and has been for years. Like the i guess the ground zero of the whole blackout arguments and four fans who rail against local blackout. Just you can't watch you know five or six teams in iowa and if that this game comes and goes without there being addressed somehow whether it's by rob manfred or you'll local reporters asking about it. It feels like a missed opportunity but also just feels like i was never gonna get attention for that..
"oscar charleston" Discussed on #digitalsuccess - Social Media Marketing Podcast by TheAngryTeddy.com
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"oscar charleston" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"The problem is or at least the problem for me as i was preparing for the segment is that that was not his major league debut. That was his season debut but he actually debuted last year unbeknownst to me. Because we we're not doing. The segment. And i was not tracking everyone who made his major league debut but he did pitch in five games last year. So ineligible therefore. I was forced to pivot and we got an email just this morning from kevin patriot supporter. Which was well timed in this case. He said it occurred to me. After your episode on the negro league stats being integrated into baseball reference that you could expand your delightful mita major leaguer segment to occasionally include. Negro leagues player is now part of the official record. Just an idea in that is a good idea. I will do that today. At least and i'm going to go with a major leaguer. Who hopefully you have heard of or met previously. But i think deserves all the attention he can get and that split roken. The great right handed pitcher and hitter for the kansas city. Monarchs at the nineteen twenty s. This week has been a bullet rogan appreciation week. I think because of the baseball reference moved to reclassify those stats status. Major league suddenly has been looking at leaderboards and looking at the new negro leagues stats hub on the site and everyone has suddenly been saying. Whoa bullet in check out this guy. And i just. I saw a bunch of tweets that were like holy crap bullet rogan and again. I think that's one of the benefits of of baseball reference. Doing that is that. He's not an unknown player. I mean he's a hall of famer but he is not quite as famous as you know your josh gibson satchel pages and so if you haven't looked at the stats before boat broken may have escaped your notice or at least the amount of notice that he should get an it seems like he is getting it now and this is well-timed because shohei otani is making his tenth start of the season on thursday or will have done so by the time you were hearing this against a new major by the way tigers prospect matt manning betton exciting match up that is otani ten start of the season. He is one of only two major leaguers who have ever gotten to double digits in starts on the mound and home runs and stolen bases as a position player in the same season and he has done that twice now he did it and twenty thousand two but the only other player ever to do it is split open in nineteen twenty two so between that and between the anniversary the anniversary of a famous game in rogan's career were you head to head on june twelfth nineteen twenty one against cincinnati's home leblanc who was kind of the other best pitcher in the negro leagues at the time and that was just written up by sabres game recap project so all sorts of things are coming up bullet rogan right now and i can't full justice to him in the segment we've devoted full episodes are interviews in the past two oscar charleston and to martine daego and maybe boat rogan should get that treatment at some point to for now. I will direct everyone to the baseball. Reference pages. Admire the stats. He stands out on the baseball reference hub. Because he has. The most war of any player accumulated in the negro leagues. So you know there were players who spend the negro leagues and american national. League's willie mays jackie robinson who had more war. But but rogan had the most were of any player exclusively in the negro leagues and by like ten war over willie wells and he did it because he was fantastic as both a hitter and a pitcher and just try to put this into perspective in his five-year peak. Nineteen twenty one to twenty five. That's his age. Twenty seven through thirty one seasons. The monarchs played four hundred twenty four league games that are included at baseball reference. And that should be pretty close to their total because the data coverage for the nineteen twenties is pretty good so four hundred. Twenty four games over that five year period bullet rogan. His batting and pitching war was worth thirty. Nine point eight wins but replacement now. If i've done the math correctly that means that per one hundred sixty two team games. Bullet rogan was worth fifteen point. Two war over that period or if we want to go with one hundred fifty four game schedules. That alien teams were playing at the time that would be fourteen point five war per one hundred fifty four games the best single season war ever by a major leaguer. According to baseball reference is babe. Ruth's fourteen point two in one thousand nine twenty three so relative to the negro national league replacement level reuss. Contemporary bullet rogan was playing better than peak ruth. Better than anyone has ever played. He just was an incredible two way. Player the stats are eye-popping. On both sides really his your a. Plus career is one. Sixty one is opiates. Plus career is one fifty two so he was fifty to sixty percent better at both of those things at the same time and there are not enough superlatives so some of the other fun facts. I've seen jeremy frank on twitter. The list of players with fifty plus career wins and fifty plus career. Home runs it. Saisi more babe ruth and bullet rogan and a tweet from at brave stats Effectively wild listener had the list of players with at least one hundred twenty career. Ps plus and one hundred twenty year era plus with at least five hundred plate appearances and two hundred innings. Pitched charlie ferguson. Bob carruthers babe. Ruth bullet rogan leon. Day and merchandise ego. He go and rogin are the only two who have at least a thirty. Opiates plus in both those categories and broken is the only one who has One fifty or better or even one forty or better in both those categories. So really kind of incredible. And i'll just stub brief summary. He didn't make his debut until he was almost twenty seven in nineteen twenty which is the beginning of the negro leagues so he was already well into his career in life by the time he got there which makes it even more impressive. He was born in eighteen ninety three and he was in the army for awhile before he was in the negro leagues and he played on a famous team in the military which was called the twenty fifth infantry records In the the buffalo soldiers regiment the records were really skilled team in the military at that time and a lot of their players went on to form the core of the monarchs teams of the nineteen twenties and so he excelled there and served in the philippines and was just in the army for years before he made his negro leagues debut and he could do it all and the quotes. The testimonials are really impressive. William big johnson. One of his teammates in the army said oscar charleston was everything but rogan was more roken. Could do everything everywhere. Satchel page famously said in unique diction. He was the only pitcher i ever saw. I ever heard of in my life was pitching and hitting in the cleanup place. He would often clean up when he was not pitching. According to rogan's longtime kennedy frank. Dumping if you had to choose between rogan and page you'd pick broken because he could hit the pitching you too soon have satchel as rogin understand but rogan's hitting was so terrific. Get my point i do. And casey stengel also called rogan one of the best if not the best pitcher that ever lived and the tributes go on and on and he was actually five seven which was not big even then and yet. He was the throwing pitcher. It seems like probably in the negro league. He unusually for the time often pitch without a wind up and pitch from the stretch in. Had a sidearm delivery..
"oscar charleston" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio
"Hall of famer willie. Mays had an incredible career as a major league baseball player. He was rookie of the year in nineteen fifty one national league. Mvp in nineteen fifty four and led the league with fifty one home runs in one thousand nine hundred fifty five. But today at the age of ninety mr maze's added ten more hits to his career. Total at baseball reference dot com. That's because for the first time the preeminent baseball statistics site includes an accounting of his achievements as a player for the negro leagues team. The birmingham black barons along with many other black players stat lines. Bob kendrick runs the negro leagues baseball museum. He helped baseball reference. Dot com incorporate the new data into the site. We reached him in washington. Dc blah. what does it mean to you to see the words. The negro leagues are major leagues splashed across baseball reference dot com. Today is exciting. It makes us feel proud. It makes us feel like we've been part of a movement that s led to this date. I felt the same way in december when major league baseball made the initial announcement that it was recognizing the negro leagues. We are ready to to be a major league and so against the day is still just yet another step in that. I guess what some validating just how significant the negro leagues were both on and off to feel now the addition of this data. How does it change the landscape in terms of major league baseball statistics in record holders up still trying to determine how this is all going into the integrated but at least have this information readily available. I think it helps those who clamor for this kind of information you know. Baseball is that useful game of comparisons and statistics. But always 'cause people that the numbers are merely contextual. You can never reduce the negro leagues to just mere statistics but for that group of individuals would need that to maybe help substantiate. How good josh. Gibson words satchel page or cool papa vail or the other legends of the negro leagues and that is very important but we also know that this story is so much bigger than the numbers is so much bigger than the game of baseball itself. It's the story. It's legends right and who the black players who should have been household names like babe ruth or barry bonds you. You mentioned some of them. Just tell us the stories of those men. Jack should know about the great. Cuban clear mountain hugo nicknamed el maestro. The master because he could do it all played all nine positions. Played all nine of them. Well he is the only baseball clear in the history of our sport to be enshrined into five different countries baseball hall of fame. He's in the mexican. Cuban venezuelan dominican and cooperstown oscar charleston. Who might dear friend and founder of the negro league baseball news in negro leaguer in his own right john buckle neil would say without hesitation the greatest baseball player he ever saw he thought willie mays to be the greatest major league and most people can curb because willie mays could beat you every way in which you could be. It could beat you with his bat with his arms with his legs with his glove with amazes illustrious professional baseball rig again in these same negro leagues but he thought oscar charleston carol to be the greatest baseball player he ever saw and again is not a household name and it should be now. The names that i mentioned earlier the satchel pages in the cool pocket bills and josh gibson's those of names that did transcend mainstream. Most baseball fans have at least heard over. Even if they don't know just completely how great they really were. Because i tell you now they're greatness. We'll defy whatever numbers are brought into play because what the numbers won't tell you is that in nineteen forty-three the kansas city. Monarchs james leslie. Wilkinson bought an airplane. He can fly. Satchel pays to go play for other teams. He hired him out to go pitch for other teams within flying back. Go pitch for the cancer mama. Those numbers tell you that would including the numbers. i mean. Just looking at at at a quote from josh gibson's great grandson shawn gibson. Who says that you know you're always knew that was it was. He was known to be the greatest black baseball player of all time. Now he says we can say. Josh is considered one of the greatest baseball players of all time. That's the change right. That is know they were for the entire time. They didn't want to be seen as a black baseball player. They just wanted to be baseball players. Which is by when bait wet to spanish speaking countries around the globe. That's how they received. But that's the quest. I think of black people in this country by and large in no matter what the ever is is that you just want to be recognized for what you do not call the skiing at you do it. But because of segregation because it created this need for a separate league that is now what we've gotten but we have is mindset that this lee was somehow inferior to the league that would let them play and so hopefully now. We're helping people understand. There is a kind of equal structure. Here that this lead. The negro leagues really would not take a backseat to any late and he's negro leagues created out of segregation hatred racism. But also out of the love of the game that were born and that's worked reigns supreme about this story and what we talk about it and the context in which we share this story at the baseball museum. We understand the circumstances that created a need for a negro leagues segregation. Was a horrible chapter in america's history but the story of the negro leagues themselves. There's nothing sorrowful That story it is triumphed over that adversity and is based on one. Small simple principle. You won't let me play with you. Then are create league amount. That's the spirit that this country hails and how the negro leagues in bided. That spirit really. Unlike anything in the annal of american history and that's why so triumphant in nature. Well bob i really look forward to learning more of the legends of baseball that we have not heard and all these years and thank you for the work. You do all it my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me all right. take care. Bye-bye bye-bye bob. Kendrick is the president of the negro leagues baseball museum. We reached him in.
"oscar charleston" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Sign with the brooklyn dodgers. Otherwise history might have been changed on. The cover of this book are a three players standing there with their bats. Who are those three players. I don't know. I really don't know i didn't select that photo. And i have no idea where they got it and and Who they are wish. I could answer that. Because i've asked that question myself. I couldn't find anybody who the answer monte wanted to do with this book. Well you know. The feeling chosen series began All about seven eight years ago when a triumph books in chicago asked me to do about a yankee book and i had really run out of ideas. And what can i do about the yankees. That hadn't already been done. So i suggested that i had always had. This thought that it would be an interesting concept to have a player from a team select the all-time his choice of the all time team for the team. But which he played. They thought it was a good idea. So we did Whitey ford selecting his all-time yankees team. It was well received that we went on from them. And we did the saint louis cardinals with tim. Macabre the boston red sox with johnny pesky chicago cubs with ron santo. The dodgers brooklyn in los angeles with duke snider. Then they wanted to do another one. And we thought we'd do the giants and we talked about. And we've eventually wound up. Doing the giants with bobby thomson. I had suggested. Monte irvin would be the right guy to pick the giants team and an editor at Triumph books that we have an idea. Why don't you get money into pick the all time negro league team and it was such a fascinating thought idea because i had studied a little bit about the negro leagues but not that much and certainly money who played the and new. All those great players was the perfect guy to do it. And i'm so glad. I did because it was an eye opener for me and also from melissa. History lesson standpoint. Tell everybody about the league's because they began in the late eighteen. Hundreds continued to the nineteen sixties and there are as many as eight separate leagues at one. Time weren't there were. I didn't really get into a much about the history of the league. As much as i did with the players. We concentrated on that period of time when they had the when it was the negro national league the negro american league. So we've our focus was pretty much from around the mid nineteen twenties until lead the The league's disbanded and around in in the sixties. At some point you know when the african americans began to play in the major leagues. I'd kind of destroyed the negro leagues so that period twenty or thirty year period produce some of the great players of all time who would have probably without question. I would think been stause in the major leagues People like You know the great catcher. Josh gibson satchel page of course did get to the major leagues. But there was so many others like leon day and got ray dandridge Book leonard will all tremendous players. And all the stories you hear about them. If there's a story that made the rounds that josh gibson actually one. They hit a ball out of yankee stadium. It's never been verified. But the legend remains that. He's the only person ever to hit a fair ball out of yankee stadium. They were great great players. Most of them denied their to play Because they were either too old by the time the color line was broken and they were no longer at the peak of their ability and they just never got the chance to show what they could do. I think one of the things that certainly gives validity to the negro leagues is the fact that if you take a look monte irvin started playing in the negro leagues at seventeen and there were a lot of players willie. Mays i think was maybe sixteen seventeen years old as well. Why did they start playing professionally so early. What because they the one opportunity way they could make money they you know the time will hard It was soon after the depression Most of these were Came from poverty. They needed the money. They love playing baseball. It seemed like a natural logical thing to do. They they were such good players that the negro leagues went out and they sign them. I the average salary for negro league player was something like two hundred dollars a month so they weren't making a lot of money but that was considered big money in the twenties and thirties. Good pretty good. Living is it was a lot of travel. And the the they didn't get to stay in the finest hotels they. They spent a lot of nights sleeping on buses but they enjoyed it. They love playing and they were able to make a decent living. I think most people certainly know many of the names that are in this book that you talk about willie mays hank aaron ernie banks minnie. Minoso roy campanella elston. Howard larry doby of course satchel page but the thing that this book does that i think is very very special is that there's a lot of names on the crossover that that people don't know and let's talk about some of them oscar charleston. You have a great story in here about oscar. Charleston charleston was considered to be the The willie mays of his time. He was a great center fielder and outstanding. I don't know which story exactly you're referring to. He was i mean I relied so much on monday to tell me these stories. Because i knew very little about these people but he. These talks about oscar charleston. He would have been willie mays equal had he had the opportunity to play in the big leagues and he played all three outfield positions at the same time. Oh no no. I don't think there was one game. When he he let the other place. They did every once in a while. They would do stunts like that. As a matter of fact they had With first baseman was kind of like a how shall i say a max. Todd can taibbi with do stunts harlem globetrotter trump globe trying to type stuff in fact goose tatum. Who played the harlem globetrotters played in the negro league's as a first baseman and he would do his antics throwing the ball behind his back and all that sort of thing so they would do these things but most of the time they were very serious about playing and they were very competitive with each other. Said the cool papa. Bell was so fast. He wants scored from first on a sacrifice. Bunt and they had this great lagged. He has a great line where he said he could turn out the light in his hotel room and be in bed before the lights went dark when people in the room went dark. That's how fast he was talk. More about papa. Bill because i mean he was a very very great talent. Apparently he was. They say he had a blazing speed wasn't a very big man but everybody talks about his great speed. And what a tremendous feeling wasn't he would have been. I don't know maybe lou. Brock type ricky henderson type Yeah he was regarded as the fastest man ever to play in the negro leagues. And maybe the fastest man of the played baseball anywhere. What about biz mackey biz. Mackey was interesting guy because he was money urban manager and he was also in his older years he was in his forties and he was a catcher for the baltimore elite giants and he tutored roy campanella and campanella till his dying day credited biz mackey with helping him become a tremendous defensive catcher. Apparently mackey was very intellectual type. Who was great at recognizing batter's weaknesses in calling a game in Helping his pitches Get through rough spots and was regarded Even though josh gibson is regarded as the greatest catcher in negro league history mackey is second.
"oscar charleston" Discussed on The Dork Forest
"You know that nonsense. Yeah. So yeah, Willie Mays came along about four years later and he was Swift as a bird. He could hawk in the field right this famous film of all, he made his him turning his back on the ball in the World Series. Yeah running it down football style catches your boat on your shoulder and then flips around and throws the ball back in and is Pat flies off and that's the most famous footage of Willie Mays. It's from 9:54. So he he was exhilarating now when I was little he was still playing he played in The Negro Leagues to the Birmingham black Barons. Okay, and this you'll love this there were young Birmingham James and birmingham's a hotbed of baseball. I was was all of Alabama but black teams often named themselves after the white team's of the town. So Not only was there a white crackers team in Alabama was a team called the black crackers, which is the greatest greatest cultural appropriation. Exactly hear Willie Mays was exhilarating right? He he lost his cap wage. Ram she caught the ball like this. He didn't catch the ball like this. Everybody catches the ball with their Global. Yeah, he caught it basket style like that. Boom. Okay, so he could he had six hundred and sixty home runs. He led the league. In fact, he played the game like a negro Leaguer. Let's put it that way. He really doesn't think about going from first to second you're thinking about going from first to Third on a ground ball to the right side right back. Okay, you're okay off when that balls hit you are swinging and shit that's over your head. You are fucking every tactical Advantage you're trying to outthink the other team is that was what needra league baseball was. I was the stinking baseball league. They just Base to Base like in the big leagues Babe Ruth changed the game and the team's guys stole a lot and bunted and ran by the way. I'm risking long. He's hitting so many homers that everybody just like let's just hit homers. Okay, sugar leads the Negro Leagues and white Oscar Charleston is so great. The Negro Leagues didn't play like that so long You're talking about I'm putting a famous negro league play and then if I would Foster was called the button run, right? So I got a guy on first my job is to put the ball down the third-base line on the ground woke up with a buddy. Right? Right. So yeah, so the third baseman has to come in now, my guy on first is already taken off before the pitchers throw. So now he's almost a second. So now the third business to come in and seal the bulb try to make a player first or stay back on the ball and let the catcher try to do it either way my guys going from first to Third on this and I might go to second when they try to make the play-offs right when he's coming home. So you're really trying to force the game all the time right to go around and run around it feels like it's more of a team game than a than a star game, you know, like like to Hang Seng X rules and if you can trick people, you know, like sort of its it seems more of a it seems trickier. All right is way more strategy dead. Yeah, the strategies was more complex because and it was stolen by the major leagues like I say up until Ruth the major leagues played a version of the block game that they learned about by watching, you know, they mingled and yeah McGraw who I told you about earlier..
"oscar charleston" Discussed on KGO 810
"You know, for the most part in large part, I mean, they said we had a good relationship, and Dusty Baker told me was like Ali Frazier because they They fed off each other. They woke up in the morning and check the other guy's box score. You hit a home run. I gotta head home run. Um, and that parallel, I mean, they were three years apart, but Most played 22 years in the big leagues. Both appeared in 24 All Star games, both played and Negro leagues, both from Alabama. Um uh and And that mutual respect from afar, I guess was epitomized in these conversations I had with them. Erin telling me that The time at all Star games was Some of the best times Hank ever spent because he hung out with Willie and these other guys and Willie would tell stories. Well, he was the older guy three years older, but you know, in baseball that zbig difference On days would would talk about stuff that Hank appreciated and live by and hey told me, he said, I couldn't be willing. I mean, my captain by all I could make a basket catch. I couldn't run around and dance and and do those things will he did. I had to put my head down, run around the bases and be business like and that's exactly who he was. And fans love Maze because amaze fans loved Erin because of Aaron. Why was he called the hammer? Does he hit the ball, man? His risk? His wrists were four. Yeah, I mean, nobody had Hank Aaron rests every every kid who ever grew up watching that guy. Said, Man I want wrist like Hank Aaron and neither of these guys with 6 ft. You know, Willie and egg face, either of them look like some of today's players, these body building gods. But but they just used their body to the best that you could get them. So, um, you know, you don't work out with weights and work out in the off season. They were just I asked, will answer. Do you keep in shape? And you said I never got out of shape, and I'm sure that was a true with Hank. Um they were. They were gifted, but they worked hard and They thought, you know, they have that six tools out. Think the opponent outsmart the opponent? Think ahead. Anticipate? Envision. And that's what got him ahead. It wasn't just skills and talent and and and all that stuff. I mean, they mindset was just so far above. Competition and take who never hit more than 44 home runs ended up with the all time home run record. Never had 1545. But consistency year after year, which you don't see in today's play you that might have one good year, But these guys had 789 years in a row and then Maybe hit 2 82 nights and then seven or eight good years in a row after that, so they never took a break. A Reggie Jackson takes credit for Nick giving M C. Hammer his nickname his stage name, and, and The reason, he said, was because he looked like Hank Aaron. Did you hear that story, too? Yeah. Stanley Burrell was his name and he was a kid growing up up in Oakland, and he always showed up to the player parking lot and hung out with these guys, Uh, befriended Charlie Finley, who Named him the honorary general manager of the team, candle spy or whatever you want to call it, but But you went to work for the A's, and then you know, he danced in the parking lot with these guys because he grew up dancing. That's what he was even as a kid and And Stanley Burrell. Um, you know, got to be close. He's got it. He's got this cool picture of him as a kid with Hank and yeah, they had that resemblance. But that's how we got his name Hammer after Hamburg make Well, you know, M C Hammer is still with us. The other hammer the real hammer. Hank Aaron has now died and you know, he's just one of the greats. One of the absolute great I've said it before, John. I'll say it again. I have been fascinated by the old Negro leagues, and I wish it some point. They were really done. Justice. I want to see some kind of a massive blockbuster movie because it seems like that's the only way that we can really have a glimpse. That history and how great these players were, because it's true. You know, in the earlier ages in the time of Babe Ruth, he never had to take any of these guys on he never had to play against black players. And that's not to say he would have still been a great ball player. Of course he would have been, But oh, my God, how different baseball would have been in that era? Had it been integrated? I thank you. Yeah, Yeah, I scored Charleston played in Pedro's done, but he was black. So Who is Oscar Charleston? Well, maybe not, as many people know him, but they say he was Willie Mays before Willie Mays. That's how good he was with the five tools, but he played in Babe's era was about the same age. Nobody knew about him outside. You know, white media, um And you know that you know that. That's unfortunate, but but you're right. That would be a wonderful movie, and we saw 42 the Jackie Robinson movie, but that was really over. You know, one or two years of his life. Going back from 19 twenties 1948. The history of the Negro leagues, which now by the way, are being counted among major league statistics. According to this announcement last month by Major league baseball, and that's wonderful that you know. Hank doesn't follow into those years because it goes through 1948. And he didn't play with the Indianapolis clowns and until a couple of years later, But Willie as a 17 year old play with the Birmingham Black Bear, and so he had a home run that year, So instead of 6 60 we might see is Home run total soon as 6 61 0 That will be good to see John Shea is always good to talk with you. Thank you so much for joining us today. My pleasure, Pat. Thanks. Thanks for talking that sun Shade. John. She writes for the San Francisco Chronicle. He's their national baseball writer and his book 24 Life stories and lessons from the Say. Hey, kid. It's a fantastic book about Willie Mays..
"oscar charleston" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"You know, you know you get hurt, and then you want to be ready for the next season. So you push you come back early. You know, everybody is always gonna tell you specially, Buster. I mean, he's one of those guys. Hey, how you feeling day? Oh, great. I'm fine. I mean, get out to compound fractures in his ankle. I'm good to go. Yeah, I'm coming. You never really know. You never really know what you're getting from him because he's just in the go mode, So I think for him to take a year off, I think it helps you slips. I think it's fully heals some of the nagging injuries that But he was hired because of his career as a catcher. And I think that you know he's the guy. I would I would expect him to come back and catch 100 games. If if there is gonna be under 62 game schedule, I don't know if you can find him Tol 130. Um, I don't know if that's even necessary anymore his career, but I do think he's gonna He's gonna do the bulk of the work behind the plate. And you know there's nothing to it. You know, you look at catchers. And they hang around and they hang around till the 38 40 years old that claimed the life starting every day. But you know they stay and I think it's gonna be up to him as to how long he wants to play this game. I know is we're trying to get back was very, very difficult thing for him to do this year or this last year, not play. Um, but because of his new twin girls and the pandemic, I think he felt that it was in the best interest of his new baby's not to play. Sure was a tough decision for him, and I know that he's chomping at the bit to come back to here. I know that you're starting to talk about it. And so I think that you know that time and only to the starter and I think your contention them into at least 100 games you had to play. Probably another 20 or 30 as a czar, first patient, so I would expect to see him get that one and put your sword batch. I e. I mean, we can't even put our finger on or, you know account for how much of an impact he has with the young pitching staff. I'd love to see him work with a guy like Logan Web again, or even Tyler Beatty coming back, have the opportunity to work with those guys. That's impactful, too. But just just whipping around the league just looking at some other baseball stuff. I saw funny story yesterday. Mike don't know if you get a hold of this Jeff Passan of ESPN reporter that he was holding on to this story for a little bit for a rainy day. But it got out and you wanted to release it. Tyler Glass Now I know if you remember the pharma, bro who's serving time for for some, I don't know SEC violation whatnot, but he upset a lot of people in Tyler glasses. I've said that before he pitches he likes looking at pictures of that guy because It makes him upset in a mix of angry before he goes out and throws. I thought it was a funny story. I was wondering if you had these stories about I don't know things that you did. Did you ever pitch angry? Did you wanna be fired up? Did you do the football thing where you go to a dark place? Or is it just all about your matchup for that? Damn, just did you know guys who did stuff like this, Mike? Oh, absolutely. I mean, Jeffrey Leonard, Jeffrey Leonard hey, would manufacture a bad attitude coming in the clubhouse every day. That's just the way that he had to go about getting prepared to eliminate the distraction to keep himself in. Focus. Um, you know it. It was a little different for May I do you play you play the game long enough. And you're gonna develop a little bit attitude against every team, something About that team is gonna pick you off. I mean, you don't have to really work too hard against the Dodgers of the Cardinals, or but you think we'll let that hundreds? Well, yeah. You remember that time back a double a ball when you have got into Ah, a kind of a spitting match with one of the players there, and he's now a second basement. What issue? Edge right there. So you play long enough. You're not gonna like anybody. So that's that's one good thing about it. But for me, you know I is that especially on Monday game over my next started Saturday against the Mets. I start pitching that game in my mind and and I just keep over and over. Just keep pitching in my mind that game and I just I just keep rolling that into Saturday. So come the day before you know, I've got to focus and I keep that focus all the way in and not to the game, the first pitch and completely through that game, And that was my That was the way that I prepared myself. And when the game was over, I would just wash it clean. I start thinking about the next game, but I never really had to have somebody That made me hate anybody. I mean, I never really had to have that motivation. I didn't need it. I thought that the game itself gave me the motivation. There are certain guys that I could pitch inside to a little bit easier Guys who I just didn't like. And I didn't mean I didn't even know I just didn't like the way they looked in their union kind of took me off. But I could put you inside of those guys real easy, So I mean, it's kind of funny how your mind is, but definitely no doubt about it. I played with guys who had to manufacture an attitude. And for them, they take that that gave them at their edge. And it's more. You see it a lot. And it's not just, you know, passing. You know, he referred the one guy. You see it arrive in the game. It's so funny. You talk about how you sort of trick yourself into getting fired up. When you think about a memory that happened. You mentioned the mess. What? You're a Mets killer. Mike, can you own the Mets? Good luck against the Metro. They're the one team that Even if I went up in pitch Well, I mean, it seems I always have a pretty good result. You know, You always have a team that your feel good team. They were for me. But there were other teams like Houston. I think in 13 years I had five wins against Houston. Yes, San Diego was 13. It was tough on me. I thought I could pitch well, and you know, give me one. Nothing to one. It's just kind of how the game goes. It's It's odd that way, but you know, everybody has they have They have pictures They can't hit. They had pictures. They own pictures have guys they can't get out. It doesn't have to be the third or fourth place here on team. It could be the guy who's hitting 1 60. For me. It was a reporter. Reporter One year had 16 hits on his baseball cards. Nine Evermore gives me Man, That's incredible. Um I wanted to ask you because you know the baseball was the last week started incorporating Negro League players into the record books. And obviously, this is long overdue, something that was important for the history of baseball. And I got to thinking about players who I hope to God. Some shine because of it. And you know, like Oscar Charleston comes to my, uh, cool Papa Bell comes to mind. I was wondering.
Families of Negro Leaguers rejoice in MLB's decision to recognize league
"On wednesday. Mlb announced that it was quote unquote elevating negro leaguers. Two major league status within its official historical record which helps explain why google searches for the name. Josh gibson suddenly started spiking. Baseball says it's figuring out how to include negro leagues statistics into its canon of sacred numbers. And there is no resume quite as legendary or as mythical as that of the late josh gibson. The catcher that satchel page once unambiguously deemed the greatest hitter. Who ever lived. So i called up shawn gibson. Josh's great grandson and the executive director of the josh gibson foundation to understand what mlb's decision to elevate his great grandfather means to him. Well first of all. I don't like the word elevating. I think it should be more of a merger because niggly baseball player or major league players as well. So that's first and foremost this. And i want to bid tuesday night as josh gibson's greg grants and i woke up as josh jacobs. His grandson asher to cerebral calls questions about this happened. Literally when people say happen literally overnight it literally happened overnight and to wake up and see that in lobby made the announcement and josh gibson. Now what we consider not just one greatest league baseball players he. He'll be considered one of the greatest baseball players of all time and so for us in our family. It's a great honor. Ona understand josh. What you heard growing up from family from friends about how your great grandfather considered his own career compared to those who had the opportunity who were afforded that opportunity to play in the majors for jars. You know and the other great negro baseball players you know. They knew they were great players. They didn't even know by to tell him that it was just a decision At that time it was in that era. that kennesaw mountain land is denied the opportunity to play in the majors but did not stop him. They barnstorm against a lot of white baseball players. And you know as well as we know. I know is that a lotta times. They beat the white ball players in. So that's something right there. And so when i totally stories just in our family. There's we call josh gibson big josh. 'cause josh gibson junior of course is the sense that you can't say jockey get confused. I wanted to ask you about one of big joshes more famous nicknames. He was called very famously. The black babe. When you hear that sean about your great grandfather how does that make you feel you know. Let's say this bridge. Stevens bakers great grandson. He's one of my good friends. We go back and forth back and forth on this all the time. I didn't know that okay. Tell me about your relationship with him. And what you guys talk about on this regard. That's great so burn. Stevens is bait roof. Great grandson and so we always talked about. You know josh gibson's compared to my grandfather. And i'm like well that's what you but if you ask me about. Bay roof is a white josh gibson. So we go back and forth. Is we always say our people always say Yankee stadium was called the house. Ruth bill in ice t's brent are okay but who hit the furthest home running stadio i give them on that one. Well i mean. I want to even push that. Story further sean. Because i grew up going yankee stadium. He's the only human being to ever hit a fair ball out of the park out of the house. That babe ruth ledley built. I don't want to rub it in his face to. I don't go that far. I just say the furthest rebel. We all know he headed out. The ballpark. we know is over near babe. Ruth kane close no all seriously. I've heard several stories two different stories. I heard it. It's out of the ballpark. Been a heard from some players that hit like the top tier of moammar. So you wrote a piece of the undefeated in august about your grandfather's name being on the mvp trophy. And that may have been unthinkable at one point but now it does feel like there could be momentum towards that. Why is this important to you and your family. Then the peak kinda fell on our lap on. This happened to read an article about terry pendleton barry. Larkin and mike schmidt. Making a case to remove kennesaw Mountains landers name off the mvp award and it gets to okay. Well here at a names that they're considering replacing the name with in his frank robinson branch rickey and go shoot josh gifts literally again on the phone with my board directors. I said listen. We just found herself in a race. Let's see how we can win it so for us. I'm hoping that the vwa taking consideration of this and really think twice when they make a decision to rename this after josh gibson but this mvp war if this may not. The jaw is just about josh gibson. This will carry on the legacy of all the other great players as well. Who were denied the opportunity. So josh gibson is carrying several thousand players on his shoulders but his vp award the page. Family the buck leonard. Cool up a bail family. Turkey stars fan oscar charleston. Family all great players will all celebrate. It'll be named after josh. But every time i speak about this i'll make sure represent all the family members who were denied the opportunity
"oscar charleston" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"It was pretty good I enjoyed that you know. And from then on I pitched my especially game. I'm trying to think I think we were. Enough Carolina somewhere. Anyway. You look up in the stands and see all these people you know. And they have this. Look on the face. When they see I'm a girl. So you know you have to prove yourself and and was in Yardman. ME. To know, I was good enough to be there but some of the best. And, I know the tremendously I mentioned about your career record of thirty three and eight. You played against some guys that could really hit i. mean you had Josh Gibson and Cool Papa Bell you had Oscar Charleston all of those a that was a hitters league was at not and how did you deal with the big hitter but now? In Cu five but. They went before me. I didn't play a good step. Would what I'm saying is is that was a hitters league primarily. Weld. But I didn't. But I that was just as good that I. Have to pitch to. What are you most proud of in your career? Oh I'm most proud to say that I played with some of the best. Yeah I I'm telling to say that I was good enough to be there. And say I I'm the only woman has done something that another woman has ever done. And I'm proud crowded their. Peanut. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for being a pioneer in baseball and thank you for spending time with us here on sports byline and I. Thank you so much. Call it. It's better play here. Peanut Johnson is her name one of three women to play in the Negro. Leagues along with Connie Morgan and Tony Stone she was the first female. Pitcher, and she played professional baseball in the Negro Leagues with the Indianapolis Clowns for seasons he was thirty three and eight and on June the fifth two, thousand, eight Johnson other living players from the Negro League era were drafted by major league franchises prior to the Major League Baseball first year draft and she was selected by the Washington nationals. We've got John Sports byline. This summer turn your yard into the perfect getaway. Whether it's lawn spruce up a fresh coat of paint or a s'mores. Worthy Patio Upgrade homeadvisor has the best landscapers painters handyman.
"oscar charleston" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM
"Indianapolis market resume tonight. Cubs win tonight. Let's also give a little bit of dab to the, uh, the so claimed best fans in baseball because the cards with the powers tonight to by a score of five before the Midwestern teams, it's a good night for the NL Central. Well, at least the ones that you know one of the central because the Brewers and the Pirates lost. I die Aggress. We're in the middle of a of a To be a fascinating conversation because I'm the guy asking the questions because of the topic. The book is entitled The Wax Pack. The author is Brad Baluchi in and Let's now join part two of my conversation with him. Brad was there anybody that that you couldn't find or refused to take part in the project? Yeah, And to me that actually makes the book better because it adds some some narrative tension and conflict to the story. Carlton Fisk was one of the guys who just would not talk to me. And so for Fisk. I kind of went a little bit rogue. In that I found out where he likes to golf in Sarasota, Florida and I posed as a millionaire Homebuyer to sneak onto the golf course to try to ambush him. And so You know, when I ran into obstacles like that I would try to do you know some pretty crazy things to still try to get to talk to them, and I did end up. Getting to talk to Sisko, though, wasn't quite how I expected. Oh, yeah, There were a few guys that didn't that did not want to participate. All right. So let's talk about Doc Gooden. Just because obviously, you know, since his playing days he has dealt with substance abuse. The 30 for 30 Doc and Darryl was fantastic. And at times sad, all wrapped up in one package. What sort of correspondence that you have a dock. Well, it's funny. You mention that because I was actually there about a week before they were filming that So if you've seen a documentary you can you can imagine it wasn't surprising when I Ended up getting stood up by Doc Ondas actually in his living room, talking to his older son, Dwight Gooden, Junior, but we had arranged. He was the one guy who wanted to be paid. And so I said, Okay, I'll pay you but I'm gonna I'm gonna include that in the book, full disclosure, and then He completely went AWOL. And so that's a very sad chapter of you know me going and trying to meet up with him and then going to an appearance where he was scheduled. I mean, you couldn't script more sad scene in Hollywood, where he was supposed to do this autograph appearance at a restaurant in the room is literally full of nuns and a kid in a wheelchair and doc. Was not was not not there to be found. So Very sad. The book is the wax pack on the open road in search of baseball's afterlife. Ing in the theory is open up a pat 30 ish years later, after happens, this is a 1986 pack of baseball cards and see if you can track down and have a conversation person with 15 different former major leaguers Brad Baluchi and the author is our guest here on network, Indiana's Indiana sports talk Off top of my head. Steve Yeager has had a coaching passed after his baseball playing days. I can literally hear Lou Brown yelling, temp his character to be major league. I'm sure you talked to him about that. Gary Pettus, I believe, spent time as a bass coach after his playing days in Rick Sutcliffe. I think most of us know His days as a broadcaster after his pitching days any Bailey also I'm leaving out that has kind of maintained a career in baseball after their playing days were completed. Yeah, I mean, so don Carmen. I think that's one of the most He was. He was actually my favorite player is a kid for the chillies. And he has setting the most fascinating job, which is he is the therapist for Scott Boris's client. Wow. So when Bryce Harper or any of those guys Goes into a slump. Carmen gets on a plane and flies to whatever hotel very does some on the spot 30 with them. So he, you know, he's really a fascinating guy. What he did after he stopped playing getting a Bachelors in psychology and that a master's degree and now working on a doctorate very, very intelligent God. Alright, so off of the guys of this list of 15 There were three and I would have not remembered them as a major leaguer. Cocaine. Our was one Carmen Frankly, was one and Randy ready, So if there was a most obscure player of these 15 who would it be? Probably coconut our But what's interesting about the book is that it's really kind of the ultimate vindication for those guys. Because when you read the book, I mean the books really about a lot more baseball. It's It's about these bigger themes about life. Fathers and sons. And when I met with these guys, we talked more about some of their really personal stories. And it was amazing how vulnerable they were willing to be Those three guys. You mentioned Randy ready, telling me the story of his wife, who, tragically Went into a coma after having a heart attack in their twenties. And don Carmine telling me about his father being abusive. And you know some of these things that really kind of make you understand what these guys are, like people and often times I sound The guys that were the more obscure players had a maybe a richer or more nuanced view of their lives and actually seem more happy and well adjusted. All right. Did you actually chewed a piece of bubble gum 30 years after the fact. Well, who would be a generous verb T there? I tried to put it in my mouth pretty much instantly dissolved. So the fact that you lived to tell the tale That's the most important part of that story that you're still with this after attempting that because it probably felt that way back in 86 when I was first put in there as well, finding before we let you go. Might do this again. This is something to me. Maybe as an author, you wouldn't have the same feeling that you did from the first go around. But you could perhaps try this a second time and see if as an amazing coincidence. You might land the same card from a different land impact. So, Brad, might you do this again? Well, exactly right about, you know, as a writer, I don't really think it's uh I could talk the original. So I give my blessing to anyone who wants to go out there and get another pack or different sport or different year. And it's certainly a fun idea to structure a book office well again, and I think I think it's a really cool concept. And it certainly OK, I do the typical radio thing. Finally a second final final thing before we let you go again. It's a great idea. What were things you learned that maybe you weren't expecting on the back end of this. If you spend nine months trying to track these guys haven't sit down with him in person. To put this together for the book. You have a concept or a construct as to how this is going to go beforehand. What did you What? What? Surprised you about what you learned after the fact. Just how much we all have in common with these guys. You know that again, the part about being vulnerable and sherry from some things off the field, I realized In a way it was about taking them off the pedestal and I've been away that I think it's very healthy to realize that they deal with the same issue that we deal with. And we actually can relate Taking Lily to us and No, We have a lot more in common with them than we realised. Brandon Brown. It's a fascinating concept. And one thing I have certainly done. Maybe others have done it as well. Since we've been dealing with a change of life in the last 4.5 months, I've spent a lot more time reading sports books. I can't wait to get my hands on this one. Thank you So much of the time this evening. I greatly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. All right. Here is the kind of personal library that I have worked on over the course of the last say 5 to 6 months first before the pandemic hit. Was able to go cover to cover on a book about Oscar Charleston, who's in the Baseball Hall of Fame Negro League with best players at that time, who played for the team's here? Indianapolis is from Indianapolis. During the pandemic..
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"About ER been a Dodger red powder a slugger, you're already probably now a giant. All right, let's get the guest list from you gotta do the you're hitting homers in April that way. Yeah. Yeah. You're showing upon toman eight rolls showing up late. May. Yeah. Uh, turnout balls at first base, but not in a nice nice pipes. That sounds good. Cops knows that's like that's his jam. Tell you that. Yes. You told me that you used to play it for me on my way to track That's when I was in, like, first and second grade. I've been AH, hard Lor a shot put her what we've got today, but I'll get in a big burden. Fly seven o'clock Bob Kendrick and join US president of the Negro League Baseball Museum an incredible place today and I was really you know, I was gone all day. Yes, they play golf, and I missed the whole Twitter sensation of the 100 year anniversary of the Negro League founding and And I just really want to make sure we got some love out there because it's it's just a place that moves me beyond belief. You tell the story. Guys get moved to tears there, Ozzie Smith, they said, when Ozzie Smith took the tour And I'm not nosey guy. But so when you take the tour and at the end you finished coach. Remember at that diamond. You go around, you kind of around the outskirts of it. You do the theater thing, and then you come all the way around to the kind of back to like that little gift shop right around the diner, and there's a diamond and you see all the in this They're all in bronze statue form. You know, there's Oscar Charleston in center field. There's Satchel Paige on the mound. There's Josh Gibson catching and and it did it hit you, You know, man and said Ozzie Smith got there, which is weeping, you know, and it's intense, but Also a joyous thing, too. And it's a historical thing. And and Bob Kendricks great. He's been on the radio show before, and he did amazing stuff when he came out, spoke to our little league too. All the way from Kansas City. So this'll be cool that did you see the cups? You see that Cubs hat that Clinton was? Where do you feel me on? That was it wasn't the best hat. Did you feel kind of resting on his hair? Yeah. Good call about Obama with the teleprompter because you can see him reading and the way he was dropping the names. I was like, Well, you didn't have this on the counter, man. Can't you do like Could you look at it? No card for a minute before you did. It did And if we could go back just one set to on on Bush, man. The reason he was so good is he probably should have been Commissioner of baseball, not President. United States threw a baseball guy and he was great in his little speech. Really? Wass. You see, Manford at the end, I wantto know I go. I want to. I want to pose that I can't stand that kind of thing. Didn't oppose you, though. You tried to depose him. He just don't opposing you. He's just maybe get a deal done his speech at the end. I hope waterboarded cut that for the COC. But there's some great One's in there. Ah, ah as well. A Bruce Po cheese in their night s O CI is great sea poach me, But I think the other hat with capital that it's kind of a Kangol hat right before one's candle, Kangol. His little speech on Satchel Paige is a lair. Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay, sit on the balcony. 7th 7 30 We'll get started with the other power are doing Kuipers going. Tojoin us talking Ball 8 35 Terry Crowley described from the Bay Area newsgroups go to stop more giants. So good. Yeah. On DH, then Mick, mixing the play by play Voice of the Carlyle Hotel. You 9 15? Yeah. Friend of the program, Alya. No, It's a good holiday week. If you have mixing and Kendrick coming on the show. He's a great friend of the show. Yes, he is on can be are one of 45 and six. The sports later thesis. He's Murph in Mac, Hear it on the to nap through your smartphone. We are knbr 1045 and 6 80 the sports leader. I told her Kruger and Brooks San Francisco Giants and a letter announcing because they're playing games without fans at a local park. We're going to still be able to fill the stands to a certain extent, because they will have the giant fan cut out program, huh? Doubts will be displayed in the stands. They should have a celebrity in there like one game, Elvis one game, Elton John. Mama Gandhi spot like you watching the game. And you like he said Such Ibaka? Yes. Is that Herbert Hoover? What? Wait a minute, Mr Krug and Rod B..
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"Let's talk about that because this is i. I'm guessing the first time that he not only is is a player but also a manager or is able to source straddle both of those roles goals for the first time. Yeah that's exactly right and and being a manager At least at that time at least for Charleston meant really putting together the roster. You're the general manager. As much as you are a manager The mandate the teams. A man named Colonel Struthers who was like the second black policemen? Lebron Harrisburg Way. Something like three hundred pounds but taught ballet dancing to use the parents use quite a character He wasn't necessarily so well connected in the world of Major League Baseball to put together To be able to together really good roster that was that was Charleston's job and that was something I think he really I wanted to do so. Give me a sense. Then of of of the Harrisburg experience because I think it's also important period of time In the Negro Leagues generally right. Where a lot of things in this country things kind of stumbled along as the Great Depression effectively took root if you will electronically macro to the point where there was a from all indications? It seems like You know the leagues that had had sort of gotten sort of their starting in the early part of the twentieth kind of kind of crumbling and and really kind of you know kind of went dark after a while after say twenty nine nine and thirty but this is during his time in Harrisburg where he's arguably kind of the peak but he's he's being able to do both thinks thanks right and and kind of stand out in in both those categories both managing and playing. Yeah absolutely it. Is it definitely part of his peak. I mean some of the statistics. Sixty was up in Harrisburg Are Crazy they were considered crazy at the time. And and and this sort of more exacting research down in the last few years that people going back to them. All box scores There's still crazy can nineteen twenty four. It's four zero five. Nineteen twenty five. It looks like he hit like four twenty seven. I mean insane numbers But Harrisburg this is twenty four twenty five. This is before the Great Depression. His four year. Run Their Eastern color the had probably problems were not caused by the incipient Great Depression. That was probably just more. The usual. All endemic now under capitalization issues of the Negro Leagues. It's when he goes to Hildale and that's in twenty eight twenty nine that's from. The depression starts to catch up with him. Another league folds in which Dale is playing and That creates a lot of this Again player movement like crazy only with L. deal for a couple of years and that's with the depression and the folding of that team in that league pushes them out to Pittsburgh Eric where he spends the last sort of prime vague if he's playing career and ends up with a man named Cumberland Posey and his homestead Greece. All going Eh. Get to come hosie in this in a minute and held in Pittsburgh in particular in a second but but maybe this is a good opportunity to kind of maybe delve in a little bit in to some of the the numbers that he's putting up both on all parts I guess fielding certainly in hitting and maybe as you sort of answer or give give our audience a sense of just how dominant and standout his stats and his play was slash work. Can you square that though also with what I would imagine magin would be you know a a trust factor when it came to statistics in these. Because you know how how how credible how not or how we're lucky exactly the question dead. That's exactly the question asked the question I asked right. I WANNA know that too. I don't WanNa just rely on sort of mythical. Oh number Unfortunately we don't have to so let me answer your question. In a couple of ways I bush is. How good are Negro League statistics today? Can we trust them. And it's really odd in if you think about it but the stats we have. Today are much much better than we've ever had before including at the time When teams were very lax about affording stats or league certainly relaxed about collecting them? oftentimes and then you know numbers just sort of get made up in the press o without too much to back them up so what happened and this is just one of the great things happen in sports forth in the last generation the last ten or fifteen years really this army of volunteer researchers have gone back all. These newspapers have been digitized. A lot of box scores were reported. And they compiled like we compile statistics from those scores and and the site. I'd recommend any of your listeners are interested in this this I called team heads dot com houses. All of this and it's really well done and only counts gains against top competition petition. So this isn't just games against the little sisters of the poor. This is Major Negro League competition and also includes games at these teams played against Major League. Teams As well as you'd like the Latin America as well so. That's a pretty good answer that first question the quality we don't have all of them The estimate that I've gotten from people who are really know this well. It's like seventy five eighty percent of the box scores between teams so it good representative sample for the stats are pretty good Sorry if you wanted to jump in there but the second thing is We know that and we know. I know that Oscar right now and they're still putting a new numbers from time to time. Box Go right now at about half the plate appearances Willie mays add get some context tax. He had two hundred ten runs. Three hundred fifty five stolen bases hits three fifty one four thirty one days five seventy five slugging percentage. That's really good and I've sort of played around constructing. Like what would an alternative Major League Oscar truly been able to do it seems to me. You just very conservative and say well what did he at least three hundred home runs. He would've still in at least four hundred basis. He almost does again in half the plate. Appearances may have. It was very durable. He would hit at least three hundred three fifty one the Negro Leagues Um and we know who would have been like a positive defender you know in the advanced analytics language language you know above zero defensive wins above replacement who else in major league history has done that nobody nobody has has hit those used for marks..
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"Tell me about that relationship. Yeah weird things. Thank that no one ever really talked about at least of all owens So of course Owens wins gold in nineteen thirty six Berlin Olympics Comes back to the United States and really struggles to capitalize on his fame. He's very famous He's a celebrity spokesman for on the Out landed I think it was the Republican candidate for president And makes several investments. They bad long story. Short by nineteen thirty nine. He's he's Basically bankrupt but he is a come to partner in an owner in a group of men who by the Pittsburgh Crawford's birds and we Christen them the Toledo Crawford and sending out barnstorming around the country. Charleston is a manager. And Owens is D- The Other celebrity draw and say other celebrity draw advisedly in the in the newspapers and NPR's the time it's you know Jesse L. and the greatest mother honorable dine and Oscar Charleston. Degrades you know Baseball player of all time. It'd be almost have equal billing for stunning to see since Owens famous contagion offers and has certainly not but they around the country for two years in a racist then and motorcycles Olson occasionally horses between doubleheader games or after games and gets the next for local children and That was how he he he made. A buck can again. The name of the book is Oscar Charleston. The life and legend of baseball's greatest forgotten player. It is a fascinating read and Jeremy Beer the author of that book. Look we continue across the country and around the world we've got you.
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"Exchanged around first couple of days. It was no and now it's yes. Fifty three percent of the fans are saying yes it should be based solely on their record and not whether they win their division or not at forty seven percent. Say No so think about it go to the website it's on the homepage at sports. byline DOT COM by by the way on the sports byline. Bret Hedican is going to be with us. He played in the national hockey league for Seventeen Seasons One Stanley Cup championship now broadcaster with the San Jose Sharks and the reason why I wanted to have him on. You've probably heard about three coaches head coaches in the National Hockey League being fired for their conduct and also so the way they interacted with their players. And so- Bret Hedican is going to join us on the NECSPORTS byline. He played seventeen years in the NHL won a Stanley Cup championship chip now broadcaster for the San Jose Sharks. I want to get his perspective on today's players and also about coaches and how they used to confront athletes so how they tried to motivate their players and so we'll get that perspective on this major story also don't forget on Friday Roy Eisenhart drops by drops by for what we call inside right angle. Is he and I dig down. Deep on some of the interesting stories in sports sow Berry will be here for the collector's corner. So if you're into memorabilia collecting than now you want to join us for Sal Berry in that and then Bruce Marshall will drop by on Friday as he always does and other weekend in the National Football League. He'll take a look at the key games and break come down for you give you his perspective and also as predictions another later on. WE'RE GONNA be talking to Jeremy Beer. Jeremy is it true baseball historian and he has written net fascinating book called Oscar Charleston. The life and legend of baseball's greatest forgotten player. But we're GONNA kick things off with Pat Sullivan. He passed away last week. He was an all American quarterback at Auburn. He won the heisman trophy in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy one and then played six. NFL seasons with the Falcons and the redskins when we come back. We'll share with you. Our remember interview with Heisman. Trophy winner Pat Sullivan type of guy that wants to look put together but doesn't want to spend hours Kamal finding new clothes so you can look great at the office on the road or even just on the weekend with friends and family.
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"At some point, you know, when the African Americans began to play in the major leagues, and that kind of destroyed the negro leagues so that period twenty thirty year period produced some of the great players of all time who would have probably without question. I would think been stars in the major leagues people like the great catcher, Josh Gibson, sexual page, of course, did get to the major leagues but there was so many others like Leon day and, and. Got a rate Dame's rich book, Leonard. I mean these will all tremendous players in all the stories you hear about them. In fact, there's a story that made the rounds that Josh Gibson, actually one they hit a ball out of Yankee Stadium. It's never been verified. But the legend remains that he's the only person of it hit a fair ball on of Yankee Stadium. They were great. Great players most of them denied their opportunity to play because they were either too old by the time, the color line was broken, and they were no longer at the peak of their ability, and they just never got the chance to show what they could do. I think one of the things that certainly gives validity to the negro leagues is the fact that if you take a look, Monte, Irvin started playing in the negro leagues at seventeen and there were a lot of players Willie Mays. I think was maybe sixteen seventeen years old as well. Why did they start playing professionally so early because the one opportunity one way they could make? Money, they, you know, the times will hard it was soon after the depression, most of these were came from poverty they needed the money. They love playing baseball. It seemed like a natural logical thing to do. They, they was such good players that the negro leagues went out and they sign them. I the average salary for negro league player with something like two hundred dollars a month. So they weren't making a lot of money, but that was considered big money in the twenties, and thirties, you know, pretty good pretty good living is it was a lot of travel and the, the they didn't get to stay in the finest hotel. They, they spent a lot of nights sleeping on buses, but they enjoyed it. They love playing and they were able to make a decent living. I think most people certainly know many of the names that are in this book that you talk about Willie Mays. Hank Aaron Ernie banks, Minnie Minoso, ROY Campanella, Elston Howard, Larry Doby, and of course, satchel page. But the thing that this book does that I think is very, very special is that there's a lot of. Names on the crossover that, that people don't know. And let's talk about some of them Oscar Charleston. You have a great story in here about our ska Charleston, Charleston was considered to be the, the Willie Mays of his time. He was a great center field. Outstanding center fielder story exactly you're referring to. But he was I mean I relied so much on money to tell me these stories because I knew very little about these people, but he talks about Oscar Charleston. Like he would have been Willie Mays. Equal had. He had the opportunity to play in the big leagues. And he played all three outfield positions at the same time. Oh, no though. I, I think that was one game when he he let the other place you know, they did every once in a while they would do stunts like that. It's a matter of fact, they had system where the first baseman was kind of like a, how should I say a max pod, Kintyre be with do stunts? They would do. Harlem globe trouble globe. Try to type stuff in fact, goose Tatum who played for the home Globetrotters played in eager leagues as the first base and even have do his antics throwing the ball behind his back and all that sort of thing..
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"Favorite? According to what is this is this bet on sports Howard start as part of the fab five and had a long career. And I think he's the first guy or one of the first guys you get one hundred million dollar contract. He got broken off. Yeah. Is that a good MBA career? We get paid like a superstar Weber were buddies there for a while. And they well he was the guy that recruit helped recruit Weber. I think if you watch the fab five thirty for thirty it sounded like, you know, they got Jalen rose and Juwan Howard. And that they used those two guys to try to lure, you know. Ray Jackson, Jimmy Kimmel Weber, you know, by the way, when we're talking about you mentioned arose. You know, he's married to the young lady who hosts that the arguing show with Stephen A and Kellerman, Molly, a really, yeah. Yeah. They got married within the last year. Yeah. Look at that. You got sick. That's the doubt number. I saw video of him trying to pick up sage Steele on television. Remember that was like spitting game at her on a Chevy's. She was married anyway. But John Juwan Howard four two one favourite then Tyler do in Luke Walton of seven to one as far as who's going to be the Lakers head coach game one next year, Lucas maintaining he's coming back. You know, who's listed fifteen to two then there's not a chance in hell. There's not this might as well be five thousand one instead of fifteen to. Yeah. Because there's no chances LeBron's plan for this guy. Tom tippett? Oh, oh, hell, no. Tom does fifteen to two is unless LeBron sit out and shut up. I'll let you know when you can yell, and Jason Kidd, and Jerry Stackhouse. I'm reading stat Stackhouse is going to get the he's he's in talks to be the head coach at Vanderbilt so Stackhouse has gone looks like go to the college camp. David Steel, twelve to one Derek Fisher twelve to one Mark Jackson's twelve to one Brian Shaw. Twelve one Jeff Van Gundy twelve. You know, it'd be the best story of all get it. Get a big free agent somewhere and bring Luke Walton back. You know what I mean? How many Dead Man Walking Dead Man Walking? And all that they mother names on the cheesy wave. Becky Hammon twenty five to one Rick Pitino fifty to one crispier the Texas Tech coach sixty two one. I'm rooting for beard, Tom Izzo, one hundred to one coach K he'd of one LeBron little Izzo grabbing by the shirt, Shawn Miller gonna leave Arizona or leave him. Yeah. Charles Barkley five hundred to one they have LeBron coaching the team himself at five hundred to one and at the bottom of the list, lavar ball out of thousands of why they just have fun, Mike. What is it? Breaking news. Yeah. Hang Shulman has tweeted in the last ten minutes haven't Palomar will be in uniform tonight. All right. KP superman to the rest of us have been answered. All right. That makes tonight's game. A lot more watchable seriously. I mean, maybe watch. Anyway, they were they looked good last night. They did look at last name. To go eighty one in eighty one and I can see your they need offense. They need offense. I mean, it you kidding me. Compared to Michael Reid is Babe Ruth. God is true speaker my as he's speaker is a great hitter. Now dodgers. No, no. What you're doing? But I've never seen a video clip of trysts speaker. I've seen the old stuff Cobb and Ruth. I can go I can be multidimensional tryst speaker. I could say Oscar Charleston if I wanna go negro leagues, I can't even see Oscar Charleston was better than Willie Mays. Well, Gibson was Josh Gibson is my negro league guy. Oscar Charleston is the the greatest player ever. Now say I've heard ever buck O'Neil interviewed. And buck O'Neil said Willie Mays was the best major league player ever seen. But the best baseball player. He'd ever seen was the great Oscar Charleston man, that's incredible. And so that's all I'm saying, maybe he could be our Oscar Charleston. I told you when I was taking that little cruise with my sent around the ballpark the other day. That's the first time I actually stood and read the statue of Willie. You know what? I mean, what's on there and everything, and it's I tell you what? When he now when Willie leaves this earth. He looks great. Yeah. He's look. He's right, right. I looked. He looks terrific in the commercial. Yeah. That's a really good. Really does. Yeah. Were you describe the commercial? He's sitting up on top of what a mountain. Yeah. And then. Oh, we probably have the audio. We'd probably find the BUSTER Willie Mays Toyota commercial play the audio. But he's like, oh, great one I seek the wisdom that you have. And then and then Willie goes that's nice truck. And then busters like thinks. That's the wisdom and then takes off and Willie's. Like, hey. But that wasn't it. Yeah. Yeah. I was very good. It was. I mean, I just the fact that they're utilizing willy and BUSTER in the same commercial. I to me. I mean, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Noise for those of us who grew up here and Larry missed it by by a few years, but Willie Mays was the guy we all want to wear twenty four and Rick Barry ward, twenty four because of Willie Mays, right? When Rick came up with the warriors in the mid sixties. It's just we got to grow up and watch the greatest baseball player ever. And I don't get too corny to ever watch the Willie Mays video that they put out there. I think as NBC sports bay area plays it during rain delays. We get a lot of rain in April. So we see this called the legends. Yeah. It's just really good. And they talk about his dad. Kitty cat and how his dad made them. Learn every position. And I mean, it's just just part when he was oh for seventeen he cried semi back down Leo to the minor leagues. When when they first brought him up right to the then New York Giants is he was oh for seventeen and supposedly was in tears, send me here my center field, and you're gonna be my center fielder. Just kinda put them at ease leaving New York to go back to Minneapolis. So he must have really been feeling bad. You know to also came out in their little thing that really didn't you know, when he first found out about becoming last. He was not excited. I'm excited about coming. West is a good one to just always, that's understandable Ramey. Oh, hell, yes. And people Houston, New York and New Yorker allow a lot of people here never fully accepted, and like they did McCoy. Covey? But when you really may wonder to not to interrupt you gave me go you'd wonder you take out the polo grounds for eighty two center. Yeah. You take out the early years of the stick before the chain link fence where you actually hit it into the football seats in left to get it out Willie Mays probably would've hit eight hundred bombs. Yeah. And then you take what the military and a half years military right in the prime of his career you take away. Those you add those take bring back those military years that he gave away take out a few more home runs in the polo grounds. And a lot more at candlestick. Probably eight hundred home runs. He's probably the all time homerun king. I want to argue with you. Yeah. That's a good one to me when you look up the history books. That's the greatest Ryan of baseball for one position Duke Snider played for Brooklyn Willie played for the giants in mantle played for the Yankees all in one in one area. But I was gonna say I wonder, you know, with social media now. So many people just if you're having fun. That's one thing. But I just wonder how Willie Woody pretty sensitive guy, you know, and he had some beach with writers through the years and not many, but you would hear about that willy would take a lot of this heart. You always wonder how a guy like that would deal with the social media were so many people, you know, to make themselves feel a little taller just take shots at all these guys. I just you know, it's it's a different era, but for a sensitive guy, I just wonder. You know, Willie Mays. But I just wonder if that would have affected him in any way, it affects maybe how much negative would he get? He's talking about the greatest. Yeah. But there's enough people that the the better you are doing the more. They wanna hate you. Yeah. No. I hear you hear you when you're on top they shooting for you. But there was a joy about the way. He played the game. I mean to me there was nothing. Controversial about the way Willie Mays played the game. I mean, universally endorsed. You know, what can you say almost every you? Listen to anybody talk about the greatest attribute of a ball player. You know, Willie's on every list. Yeah. He's on your to the just real quick. The only clean guy on Twitter that I've never seen something. And again, it's just it's negative people with nothing going on in their own life. They get really Percival is Steph curry, I don't think I've ever read a negative tweet a text or a blog about Steph curry have you not mean, there are people that pick at little thing. Things. Like, I didn't think it was cool the other day when he's pointing at the wrath. Exactly. I mean, I think he was the reason they got that last fall the last call against them because I think Leon would was saying you wanna point me here appointed you enjoy the loss. Enjoy your flight. Yeah. You know what? I mean, it got you. I think that and also when he threw the mouthpiece. That's that's kind of a bad look petulant child. Look. But you know, what? Steph people realize that he's real that. He's he's totally charitable that his heart's in the right place. He's a spectacular player. He's a family, man. He's a popular teammate. I mean, pretty tough to fight a near pro golfer. I mean, I think steps pretty pretty popular era real quick. He's doing okay kid. Can't just real quick Palomar has inspired you to do what? Overtake gut. So both can overtake the sure I think you needed eighty two. And so I'm I'm overtaken you Gary eighty one eighty one isn't good enough. We got to go eighty four eighty five. I think eighty three overtakes Boccioni Durocher that would be an interesting goal for the year that would be cool to see boat. She, you know, get over a little bit in his final. I'd like to see him compete. I mean, it'll be great mean. It'd be great. If they just kept it interesting.