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NPR News: 01-22-2020 11AM ET

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 01-22-2020 11AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Korva Coleman. Opening statements get underway today in the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump. NPR's cloudy aggressiveness reports reports. This comes after a marathon Senate session that ended well after midnight to set the trial rules. Senators debated the resolution laying out the parameters the trial into the early morning hours Wednesday. Now House impeachment managers in the President's defense team each get three days to make their case. The arguments mitts could last up to eight hours each day. The resolution also allows house evidence from the impeachment inquiry to be submitted into the Senate record. Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell offered the resolution after negotiations with Republican members McConnell had hoped to shorten the window of arguments and delay consideration of evidence but reverse plans after opposition within his own party cloudy Silas. NPR News the Capitol. President trump has left the world economic forum in Davos Switzerland before he left. He again. Denounced the impeachment each material as a hoax separately. Trump's at his administration is moving to add more countries to the US travel ban list. He wouldn't say which countries meanwhile trump discussed his meeting this week with the president of Iraq and highlighted priorities for both nations working on military. Where looking look you know? Nicest where we have a whole host of Very difficult things to discuss very positive things also. US military official title says that more US troops based in Iraq are being sent to a military hospital in Germany for evaluation this follows Iran's ballistic missile attack on on. US sites in Iraq. This month no one was killed however some. US troops continue to be evaluated for possible concussions and head injuries. The World Health Organization is holding an emergency committee meeting on the pneumonia like respiratory virus that he's spreading in China. At least seventeen people have died and well over four hundred others are sick. Countries are taking action to screen travelers for the illness. Jason Strother reports from Seoul. That tour agencies are now now saying that North Korea has closed its borders to China based tour operators say traveled to North Korea is temporarily halted notices on the websites sites of young pioneer tours. And Corio tors say. Pyongyang has banned foreign tourist out of concern over the corona virus. Both agencies say it's unclear. The border will reopen companies like these specialize in group tour packages to the north and the greatest number of foreign visitors come from China so far. North Korea has not reported any outbreak of the virus for NPR news. I'm Jason Strother in Seoul on Wall Street. The Dow is up fifty four points at twenty nine thousand two eight hundred fifty. The Nasdaq is up. Fifty points at nine thousand. Four hundred twenty the S. and P. Five hundred is up thirteen this is NPR. Two former drug company executives have been sentenced in federal court more than two years in prison. Richard Simon Joseph Rohan were convicted in a bribery scheme. As as part of a case against former officials with pharmaceutical maker INSYS Therapeutics Prosecutors. Say they helped fuel. The nation's OPIOID crisis the UN Security Council is calling on Libya's two warring leaders to quickly approve a ceasefire officials from countries on the Security Council and several other nations. I have approved a plan. Aimed at ending Libya's nine year civil war Linda Fassulo reports. UN Secretary General Antonio Gutierrez says this is just the beginning UN Secretary General Antonio could terrace told reporters that they're still a long way to go. We have a truce in Libya. He said but we need to move to a ceasefire and then to a real political process he emphasized that the Security Council and others have to put pressure on the two rival leaders to make sure that the Berlin roadmap APP is implemented countries at Berlin conference pledged to not interfere in Libya observe a UN arms embargo and support the political process. The Secretary General General said that one of the Libyan sides has not yet publicly expressed support for the plan but his taking part in ongoing meetings between the two sides for NPR. Your News. I'm Linda Fasulo in New York one of the former stars of the British comedy troupe. Monty Python has died agent for comedian and actor. Terry Jones says he was seventy seven one of the troops. Most famous films is Monty Python and the holy grail. I'm Korva Coleman N._P._R. News.

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Cameo CEO on the business of fame

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12:53 min | 9 months ago

Cameo CEO on the business of fame

"Hi I'm Dan primack and welcome to axios recap presented by Bridge Bank. Today's Tuesday September twenty. Nine US consumer confidence is up oil prices are down and we're focused on the business of fame. In the early days of the pandemic, my nine year old began binge watching the old nickelodeon show I carly and trying to find a way to lift her spirits a bit. I decided to get her a personalized video message from one of the show's stars through cameo. A company that basically serves as kind of a fan interaction marketplace for celebrities from a list through Z list. Here's how it works. You pick the slab you want tell them who the messages for and why, and then pay them a rate of their choosing anywhere from a few bucks to a couple hundred dollars within a day or so that video get sent to your phone, my daughter of course. Loved it. So I decided. To order one more this this past weekend, High Skill Burt Godfrey then joke signing to be on axios Suri Cap. Now Look I would say say why join cameras? Well, let's easy that Geneva easy one because cameo has a high amount of zinc and my doctor told me I had a zinc deficiency and so that's why I'm on Kamio. Kamio may sound like novelty, but it's become big business. It's backed by some of the top names of venture capital and one of its celebrity users recently surpassed the one million dollar earnings mark. So we want to dig into what might prove to be the next evolution of platforms like instagram and snapchat with Cameo Stephen. Glenis. That conversation in fifteen seconds. Bridge Bank knows the INS and outs of business downs and remains dedicated to providing financial solutions to the risk-takers. The Game Changers disrupters those committed to leveraging innovation to make the world a better place. Bridge Bank is a division of Western Alliance Bank back be bold venture wisely. We're joined now by Steven Glenis, the CEO of Cameo. So Stephen, let's start with the basic founding story here. Why did you think to start this company? Yeah. Thank stand. We'd been thinking a lot about this idea that in the social media age, there's actually a gap between fame and monetization. So you have this new class of people post mice based post facebook posts. Youtube Post Instagram who are actually more famous than they are rich and as the amount of concert in the world is exponentially increasing. There's more and more of these famous people that are being produced and the gap between famine monetization in many ways had never been wider. There was a documentary that I remember watching that ESPN did it was at thirty for thirty in the documentary they talked about how over eighty percent of fellow players go broke five. Years after playing their last game in my co-founder. Barton was an NFL agent who is wrapping a guy named Cassius marsh who is like a journeyman player? He was never able to fight him any off the field dollars add Martin was telling me about this problem. You showed me a video he'd got made for one of his buddies who is a marketing executive at Nike having caches marsh congratulate him on becoming a dad and the video is so cool like immediately we had the Rica moment and it was like this is the new autograph and we set out to build the marketplace where for X. amount of money you can do y activity was leaper some. One of the troops in startup land for the last several years probably going back almost ten years now uber for X. Right I do think at their core athletes, actors celebrities are all Gig economy workers they talk about musicians and you have a gig athletes get paid per game league NFL players get paid every Sunday to get paid sixteen times a year. So in a world where their gigs are. Canceled like things like cameo more important. But the interesting thing to think about is for the vast majority of people on our platform, they have other ways to make money on top of it sits really like the fan engagement that is critical for them. The people on the cameo platform, their prices public does that become uncomfortable having those conversations and trying to figure out what is the perfect price point Oh. We. Let them set their own price right. So I think that starts with an I remember in the early days when Andre Drummond from the Detroit Pistons ended up joining the Cameo. Platform and he was making twenty, five, million a year and he was saying that he got paid like twenty thousand dollars thirty dollars to show up at a Bar Mitzvah? So he had that as he was anchoring and. I told him, you don't need ten grand to do this like take your annual salary twenty, five, million dollars divide by two thousand hours in a work year fifty, forty hour weeks, and then divide that by sixty to find out how much money you make per minute right? which is about the length of a cameo. So if you do the math Andre Drummond makes two hundred and eight dollars per minute. There's also two different price points not publicly, but there are there's the price that I might pay to get a cameo for a friend or relative, but there's also promotional one that find a business and I want this to be kind of an advertisement is that a big part of the business the promotional piece it's growing that started because people like Brett farve found that they were getting booked a lot by car dealerships in Wisconsin right so far four hundred bucks he's Jersey number was four added. Behind it and he really wanted to be accessible to his fans but he was finding the Kenosha Chevrolet dealership was trying to get Brett Farve to make a commercial for their Labor Day sale and we found that when he was declining videos about five percent of cameos get declined over half of the declined ones were. Actually reaching out to talent to try to make small commercials for them. We talked to Brett in like Hey, I do this I just want more money and now for ten thousand dollars. Car Dealership could get a commercial that otherwise would have cost a few hundred grand like sending a private jet to Hattiesburg, pick him up film for the day at a film crew, all the Tattoo stuff. We think that's going to be extremely disruptive. We've rolled that out to just under fifty of our talent right now have that promotional price, but it's growing really quickly and we think that'll be a big. Business in the future correct said the basic economic cameo that you guys take a cut of each cameo and if so that cut consistent and can you share with us how much that is? Yeah. Every single talent is on the same split we have thirty, five, thousand talent. Every single person is on the exact same deal. It's a seventy five percent take to them twenty five to us the one place where. Town. Could make more money you. We have a town to town referral system. It's a Dan. If I refer you to Cameo, I would get five percent of your bookings for one year cameos cut everybody in the world has the same deal we've never paid anyone to be on. We've never given equity for anyone to be. We've ever paid anyone to promote. We've believed that everyone needs to be on the. Same deal you talked earlier about how this kind of a new platform for celebrities who had been using youtube and using instagram. Give you yourself as competing with instagram and Youtube not obviously in their entirety. But in this piece of it, I look at instagram and Youtube. TIKTOK and soundcloud and every platform they're the FARM SYSTEM FOR CAMEO they've gotten famous other places but they're modernizing and becoming more popular on camera. Popular and Kanye you guys seem to have caught the pandemic Zeitgeist to a certain extent and in part because people want to get gift for each other to have a personal connection with other people can't necessarily get together can't give the sorts of gifts that they used to tickets to a sporting event or a concert etcetera. How do you as CEO kind of try to figure out what percentage of your business isn't artificial per se but is pandemic boosted and when the pandemic goes away if there's a vaccine disappear. I think when we look historically at why people weren't showing and Cameo right we've been around for three years before the pandemic started in this business was growing rapidly. As you know, we were the fastest growing consumer marketplace in the country last year that was without the pandemic. So I think in many ways, we had a pull forward here at a lot of people who had said no historically hit said no because they were making too much money or they didn't have time suddenly. In a world where all live entertainment stopped all film production stopped all sports stopped all comedy stopped on Music Stop People were willing to give us a shot. Once they gave us the shot. It's up to the experience at they're having in the NPS at a product, which is an eighty four on the talent side right the talent like making cameos as much as they love their tesla or their iphone. So what's there on? We find that they stick part of it is they realized. That I could make a good amount of money in a pretty small amount of time. In fact, we just had our first talent across the million dollar threshold on cameo this week whose brand bomb gardner who plays Kevin from the office final question for you who is somebody who you have spotted on the cameo platform and thought, wow, I'm actually a little bit. If not starstruck here you're kind of site that they joined not somebody you recruited Snoop Dogg snoop came that was inbound. And that was before the pandemic Carol. Baskin was another one that just happened. I personally reached out to her in the early days of covid when tire King Louis topping she's like no way I'd never do it and then a couple of weeks later she just like downloaded the APP I think she saw how well other people had done and she raised like three hundred grand in the first month for big cat rescue Stephen Glenn is CEO of Cameo. Thank you so much for joining. Bridge Bank helps breakthrough ideas actually breakthrough and remains dedicated to providing financial solutions to the risk takers the game changers and the disrupters those committed to making the world. A Better Place Bridge Bank has been dedicated to providing financial solutions to sponsor back emerging technology and growth companies for nearly two decades through its national network of banking teams offices bridge. Bank is a division of Western Alliance Bank Bridge, bank, be, safe venture wisely. Welcome back. We'll be watching tonight is the first debate between president trump and former vice president biden it begins at nine pm eastern time and I had to lead up questions for axios politics editor Margaret Talev. What's the most important thing for each candidate to do tonight. Donald Trump needs to make a convincing case that he has not bungled the corona virus and that the country will actually be in safer hands if he's given another four years. Joe Biden has a really different mission which is to keep the conversation about the corona virus on track and not to get sidetracked by fate that the president will throw at him about his son hunter or or something he said about getting along segregationists forty years ago in the Senate. And is there really anyone tuning in who hasn't already made up their mind? Yes. But very, very few consistently, the poll show US overwhelmingly the Democrats are voting for Joe Biden overwhelmingly that Republicans are voting for president trump and that there is a narrow window so-called independence lower case is who are either swing a ball or who haven't made up their minds but will they be tuning in tonight and is the Bacon be what changes their minds I don't know. I wouldn't bet on neither of the candidates Biden's team is telling him only don't get psyched out by this you have to do well enough. To be a pivotal event. That's probably true. But if the election really comes down in the margins, like, are you going to be the guy who didn't prepare for the debate because he didn't think it would matter. Today, we're also watching Nashville where the Tennessee Titans football team closed its practice facility after three players and five other staffers tested positive for covid nineteen. The Minnesota Vikings who just played the titans they also closed practice facility. The NFL hasn't yet had to cancel a game through its first three weeks, but that might be about to change. And finally today we're watching tomatoes in agriculture startup called APP harvest. This morning announced it'll be acquired and go public via one of those SPEC mergers we've been talking about why it matters is this is about to be a one billion dollar company based in Morehead Kentucky, which is in one of America's poorest congressional districts. It CEO tells me the plan is to continue building out in moorhead with around three hundred, fifty employees by year end in part because it's less than a one day's drive to most of the continental us in other words, fresh tomatoes APP by the way features a board of directors that includes Martha Stewart and Hillbilly Elegy author. J Vance. And we're done big thanks for listening to my producers. Tim Show Vami Shaven, have a great national coffee day, which might be the most important holiday of the year and we'll be back tomorrow but another axios. Recap.

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The Murders at Manley Hot Springs

Murder and Mystery in the Last Frontier

20:12 min | 1 year ago

The Murders at Manley Hot Springs

"From the Wilderness of Kodiak Island Alaska this is murder and mystery in the last frontier with your host Robin Airfield in a land full of peril and vicious animals. Humans are the most dangerous predators of all Manley hot springs located one hundred and sixty miles or two hundred fifty eight kilometers west of Fairbanks Alaska marks the end of the road where civilization ten minutes wilderness the boat landing Manley hot springs offers the last portage for fishermen trappers and wanders to launch their boats. It's and travel further up the icy ten and I'll river because the road ins a manly residence admit they see their share of drifters and and people trying to escape from somewhere or something when Michael Silk arrived in manly on Monday may thirteenth nineteen eighty-four. Four folks accepted him as another straggler searching for a new life. They should have been terrified. Michael Michael Silica was about to forever change sleepy. Manley hot springs welcome to murder and mystery in the last frontier. I'm your host Robin Bear Field and I'm broadcasting from the heart of the Kodiak National Wildlife Refuge on Kodiak Island in Alaska. Michael Silk grew up in Hoffman estates hates. Illinois and classmates recall him as a nonconformist from an early age neighbors described his parents as good people but stated Michael Michael was always different teachers. Remember silk as difficult student who often caused trouble when silk was juvenile and young man police arrested him him numerous times for unlawful useful weapon burglary shoplifting and resisting arrest silk a loved hunting fishing and firearms. He's a neighbor convinced him to join the army after he graduated from High School in Nineteen seventy seven and nineteen eighty-one the army transferred silk could to Fort Wainwright near Fairbanks where he began to dream about living in the Wilderness of Interior Alaska silk wanted to subsist assist and make money selling furs trapper according to army records silk earned an expert marksman rating with the M. Sixteen rifle and grenade launcher ensurer while at Fort Wainwright though records show silk experienced several run INS with military place including an assault charge and an arrest for discharging firearm in the barracks after the army discharged him silk a return to Illinois and worked at a a variety of jobs he was arrested two separate times on weapons violations and made several court appearances but on October twenty six nineteen eighteen eighty three he missed his hearing skipped bond and fled a warrant for his arrest was issued on December Twentieth Nineteen eighty-three shortly after Christmas in nineteen eighty three sickle showed up in Dauphin Manitoba Canada in a Brown Dodge sedan he stayed in Dolphin throughout the winter enter preparing his vehicle for the drive to Alaska in early. Spring Nineteen eighty-four silk drove to Alaska he arrived with a canoe lash to the top of his sedan and rented a small shack at mile four point seven of China pumped road on the edge of Fairbanks Soka. Chose is the most remote shack in the area and neighbors found him strange and threatening on the afternoon of April twenty eighth a neighbor woman chopped wood and chat with her friend Roger Cope Soka walk past his two neighbors and suddenly stopped and picked up a large stick angrily beating it against the woman's Woman's chopping block sending debris flying into the air. He said this is how you do it and then walked away leaving the woman and culp stunned by his violent behavior. You're silk terrified the woman but his actions angered twenty-eight-year-old culp who followed silk back to Silk Shack. The woman tried to discourage courage culp from further interacting Soka but he told her he would be back in fifteen minutes. A short while later the woman heard gunshots and call it did not return the woman was so terrified she hid in her cabin with a loaded shotgun by her door and stayed there for two days for unexplained reasons. She did not report cups disappearance to authorities for nine days the following day another neighbor. Wendy hooker knocked knocked on silk as to confront him about a moose hide. She believed he had stolen. She noticed a small pool of blood outside his door but she assumed assumed he had recently killed a small game animal when so could didn't answer her knock. Wendy walked around his cabin to the back where she saw a three foot by by six foot mound a freshly turned snow and blood soaking up through the snow in her footprints. Wendy again knocked on silk is door. You're no one answered but she felt certain. SOKAIA was inside the cabin when he told her friend Tom about the incident and he went to silks cabin. Soak so committed to Tom yet. Taken Winds Moose Hide and promised to return it windy and Tom told their friend John Hopkins about silk is strange behavior in the blood behind his cabin and when the trio realized Roger Cole had disappeared Hopkins called the Alaska State troopers for some reason Thou L. troopers misunderstood what Hopkins will. It's trying to tell them they thought Hopkins said the both Cope and silk had disappeared and he suspected did culp had killed silica. They thought Silica was a possible murder victim. Two troopers wehrley approached silks cabin. They knocked knocked on the door but when no one answered they circle to the backyard where they found the mound of snow but did not see any blood they dug into the snow but only found onto moose hide another hide hung from a nearby tree the troopers returned to focus front door and saw small amount of blood near the door but not enough to suggest a homicide had recently occurred they knocked on silk door again and this time silk stuck his head out of the door keeping his right hand hidden when the man identified himself as Michael Silica investigators assumed nothing was amiss since silk was still alive so explained explained he had been cleaning Moose hides for some of his hunter friends and the hides were the source of the blood on the snow since the trooper saw. No evidence of a crime and and silk was still alive. They saw no reason to inquire further into the incident later. One of the troops recalled how silk kept one of his hands out of sight the entire time they talked to him was he holding a gun and would have shot them if they'd ask the wrong question several days as later copes female friend finally reported cops disappearance to the troopers and told them she'd heard gunshots after culp followed silk back to his cabin troopers returned to sulk shack with a warrant searched the shack and the grounds around it they found the shack abandoned silk had disappeared. They spent two days searching the area around the shack and found patches of Pete covering the bloodstains they sent samples of the blood to the crime lab and Palmer Mer and the results confirmed the blood was human when Soka fled fairbanks. He drove his battered. Brown and White Nineteen Seventy FOUR DODGE DODGE MONACO build with hunting gear guns and ammunition and with this canoe mounted on the roof one hundred and sixty miles west from and fairbanks down a rutted muddy road the road was so bad the trip would have taken him approximately five hours he stopped when he got to the end of the road and set up camp near the boat landing in Manley hot springs a tiny town on the banks of the turbulent Tannin all river prospector veteran Giancarlo Schnur founded Manley hot springs in nineteen. Oh two when he homesteaded near several hot springs in the area the region region quickly grew and became a resort for steamboat passengers and gold miners in the area. The town expanded to five hundred residents. The population nose-dived when mining activity began to decline a decade later by nineteen eighty four only fifty hardy souls called called Manley hot springs home the Manley roadhouse built in nineteen. Oh three served as the only restaurant and hotel in town when Michael Socha Zilkha arrived a manly on Monday may thirteenth nineteen eighty-four most residents found the twenty five year old man strange and a little scary. Silcock told Patricia Lee who ran the Manley roadhouse with her husband Bob he could smell clams even when they were covered by six feet of water water another Manley resident described silk as okay odd and she said he seemed obsessed with a large knife he kept sharpening on Thursday. May Seventeenth nineteen eighty four six Manley residents visited the Manley hot springs boat-landing it landing between noon and two thirty pm Joe mcvay and Dale Manage ASCII drove to the boat landing to launch McVeigh's boat mcvay thirty eight a wounded Vietnam veteran lived with his wife Alice across the river from Manley Madagascar twenty four live nearby with his is wife Kristen Albert Hagen Junior twenty seven drove to the boat landing with a load of brushed to jump into the river lime inclined thirty six Joyce Klein thirty and the client's two year old son. Marshall drove to the boat landing on their four wheeler for family. Outing Joyce was pregnant in it the couple's second child while no one realized it at first another area resident also visited the boat-landing sometime between we noon and two thirty. PM Fred Burke thirty at Trapper boated from his camp up river down the river to the boat-landing because he I'm on it to work on the truck. He kept a manly around four PM. Manley Resident Savvy Gertler drove to the boat landing with a car full of children and who wanted to watch the mighty ten and all river boil and churn while the winter is broke apart and sail down the river savvy reported. She saw quiet light landing but she noticed that Michael Silks Canoe was half off his car. When savy returned to the boat landing two hours later silks canoe was gone on when Joe mcvay failed to return home his wife Alice drove to the landing and found Joe's boats still there and a six pack of beer in his truck truck. She immediately began to worry about her husband. When Joe still hadn't returned home by noon the next day Alice called the Alaska State State troopers in Fairbanks troopers took her report but they thought Joe mcvay would probably show up within the next few hours. Gradually other friends and relatives began to worry about their missing loved ones the relatives gathered and began comparing notes about when they last saw the missing residents one person drove to the landing and notice the strange car. They feared this person could also be missing so they called the troopers and related his license plate plate number. When troopers ran the plate they realized it belonged to Michael Silica. A man wanted for the murder of Roger Culp in Fairbanks. Now troopers were concerned at least seven people had disappeared and one of the missing was a suspected murderer. Troopers began arriving in manly at two. AM on Saturday may nineteenth and started an aerial search of the river at the break of dawn during the long long daylight hours in May they found splotches a blood and drag marks through the blood at the boat landing they also found use cartridge casings and they appeared silk is shot the missing people and then through their bodies into the raging river perhaps he'd argued with and then shot mcvay image. ASCII the the first two of those missing to arrive at the boat landing as the other victims arrived and saw what he had done. He murdered them to cover his tracks by Saturday afternoon. More than fifteen troopers scoured the Tannin all river and its tributaries the search included boats two helicopters and three small airplanes and involved members of the Alaska State Troopers Special Emergency Response Team or cert- certain members carry automatic weapons and are trained for high risk operations and they understood they were chasing a dangerous man who who at this point had little to lose they also new silk had been a sharp shooter in the army and was known to own a variety of firearms. The left side doors of the Bell Jet Ranger helicopters were removed for the search. The two sharpshooters sat in the left hand in front and rear seats beat on the skid and facing outward and one of the helicopters Trooper Troy Duncan sat in the left rear seat and Trooper Jeff Hall Sat in the Left Front seat both were secured by seat harnesses and held Colt M sixteen a one rifles equipped equipped with Twenty Round Magazines Trooper Captain Don Lawrence took charge of the operation and was in the helicopter with Dunkin and hall Lawrence hoped to locate Silica and convince him to surrender but he did not understand the adversary. They were about to face not long. After the helicopters departed manly the trooper saw woman on the riverbank waving her arms in the air. One of the helicopters landed and the troopers talk to her. She told them she was worried. Because her husband Fred Burke had gone down the river by boat to Manley on Thursday and had never returned to their cabin. Troopers now knew they were searching for seven missing area residents on Saturday afternoon. The helicopter carrying Duncan Hall and Lawrence spotted a canoe tied behind fret burks river boat. The boat was tied to a tree in a slew as the helicopter began again to descend towards Zilkha Lawrence used a bullhorn to tell silk to surrender hall and Duncan saw silk or reach for something in his boat and then silk a- swung his thirty ought six ruger single shot rifle toward the helicopter and fired Dunkin and hall returned fire but silk next shot hit Duncan in the face killing him fragments from the bullet hit Lawrence in the face wounding him hall returned fire and hit Silk Ohka eight times in the legs body and head killing him instantly according to haul the entire firefight lasted two seconds with with twenty five rounds fired two dead and one wounded an extensive search ensued to find the missing but the icy turbulent Tannen aw reluctantly releases the dead by June twenty third nineteen eighty four the bodies of Joe Burke Lyman Klein Dale Madij ASCII and Larry McVeigh had been recovered from the river burks wife discovered her husband's body seventy five miles or one hundred and twenty kilometers downstream from the Manley hot springs boat-landing the bodies of Joyce Klein her young son Marshall and Albert Hagen Junior were never found found the body of Roger Cope in fairbanks also was never recovered since the army had honorably discharged Michael Spilka his father requested requested to have his ashes buried at the national cemetery in Sitka. Manley residents were furious when they heard the news but the military honored honored the request his grave is unmarked on one day Manley hot springs lost more than ten percent of its population but but in addition to the seven Manley Residents Roger Copen Fairbanks and Trooper Troy Duncan trooper suspect Silco's rampage might have included other victims TMZ on May eleventh nineteen eighty four before silk arrived at manly several witnesses saw two strangers sitting and Silco's car with with him. The pair were never seen again and troopers fierce. Ilkka picked up two hitchhikers and murdered them possibly burying their bodies in the woods. No one could explain SILCO's violent deadly behavior when he reached Alaska. He seemed to unravel his actions becoming increasingly more bizarre until he finally snapped and began killing. Thank you for listening and please check. The show notes defined references for with this podcast. I an author and I write Alaska Wilderness mysteries. I've written four novels set in the Wilderness of Kodiak Island. I also ride a monthly newsletter about murder and mystery and Alaska. Check the show notes for more information on my novels and my newsletter. I'll be back soon with the next episode of murder and mystery in the last frontier yeah.

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You Bet Your Ambassador

Start Here

23:42 min | 1 year ago

You Bet Your Ambassador

"It's Friday October eleventh you have the right to an attorney but your friend Rudy is Kinda busy these days we start here hours after having a bite with the president's lawyer two men were arrested on their way out of the country these two men were instrumental in the effort that was ongoing by Ukrainian get that ambassador inclined to comment on this story but this report which was I put out by Bloomberg this was not the only story yesterday involving the president's personal lawyer to men helping money from a Russian national also Ukrainian official to basically interfere in the US political process and that included just setting up a shell company overseas on Wednesday night international airport just outside of Washington D. C. and they are key witnesses in House Democrats impeachment investigation of the President and they were charged by the US Attorney's office in the Southern District of New York for violating campaign finance laws the American people expect and deserve an election process we ought to investigate Joe Biden in Ukraine there now under arrest tonight ABC's Alex Melon covers the Justice Department that's where he is right now and Alex this was to people that do business with Ukraine they wanted to use to funnel money to both a trump SUPERPAC in other political candidates across the US so what does that mean they allegedly said zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here that's indeed dot com slash says that has not been corrupted by the influence of foreign interest now specifically in this indictment that was released a just yesterday they were alleged to have been involved in funneling it is some kind of marijuana dispensary that was outside of Nevada and this had no employees had no income and basically they were this is start here Brad Mielke are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then on these forms that they were donated this money on behalf of these shell companies but federal prosecutors say that that was not the case that they were lying on those forms but Alex I feel like got to do with Rudy Giuliani he called him up and he said I want you to investigate these charges of corruption if he other client named Donald Trump according to this source the president in the oval urges Rex Tillerson to tell the folks over at the Justice Department dropped the case ease up Taylor so any little gusts shakes worries me what it's like one year after a hurricane flattens your town and what the rest of US getting wrong from ABC News didn't trump is in the oval office he's got his chief of staff John Kelly they're a bunch of AIDS and his secretary of state REX Tillerson and this case comes up a federal case against a Turkish Josh start here so yesterday. ABC News Talk to a source who had direct knowledge of this meeting in two thousand seventeen and in this meeting nine who were associates of Rudy Giuliani's who are they what do they do so rather names are left Parnasse in your firm and they were arrested trying to board a flight gold trader this guy he's been accused of bank fraud debating sanctions will this guy had a team of lawyers one of them was named Rudy Giuliani at this time Giuliani had the company where it's real job is to donate money to Pro Republican campaigns does that work and so this indictment said that basically the shell company that they'd set up they had model on it the source says a bunch of AIDS and tillerson themselves immediately tell the president you can't do that you can't interfere in criminal investigation like that Giuliani Tillerson it's were in trying to influence the Ukraine government to open a political investigation of president trump's political opponents including former vice president Joe Biden dining with Rudy Giuliani at the president's hotel in Washington DC we know that they worked closely with Juliane his efforts to try and pressure the Ukrainians I didn't ask them to investigate Biden he would have violated article two section three of the Constitution the information in this indictment really tracks with what we know Rudy Giuliani's yesterday we told you the Turkish abusive power is the defining characteristic of the trump presidency inbred we know that just hours before they were going to get on this one way flight out of Dulles Airport they were actually hearing the words trump and Giuliani all over the place but do these suspects actually have anything to do with trump or Giuliani like does this figure into the whole impeachment story at all Brad this has so come forward and encourage the president and encourage the US government to get rid of this US ambassador who was actually later removed by the president warm nor senior foreign correspondent Ian Panel told us this is a bigger incursion than anyone saw coming well Ian has now made his way into rattling machine guns is these little skirmishes take place in the distance the the trump of artillery shells coming in to land but those are in civilian areas which is why we've seen civilian casualties what happened these men were doing this and it's only going I think further fuel Democrats to demanded they come before Congress and speaking this impeachment investigation and that former ambassador to Ukraine she was sketched that was ongoing by Ukrainian get that bastard fired and Democrats had already said that they wanted to speak to them about that but this indictment lays it out clearly this is the position of the US government that Harry has officially crossed over into series invaded another country to attack Kurdish troops nearby there had been American troops there is this kind of buffer between them well not anymore recalled or somebody recalled it but I heard very very bad things about it for a long period of time not good morning to this indictment these two men were instrumental in the effort inside Turkey and Kurdish forces inside Syria a sovereign territory so for them to cross over that changes the state we're really serving and we were serving Syria this is our first look at the situation on the ground and Ian is calling us from near the Turkish border enemy what can you tell us about where you are and what you're seeing yes for hundreds of years have fought for their own homeland we're getting out of the endless wars have to do it and eventually somebody who's going to now that makes it sound like he's going on it's constant right now it's all gone quiet in the only standard can hear a grasshoppers they're essentially to forces one for the men below that's why we're seeing tens of thousands of people out on the road of all the people gathered here how many of them have fled their homes well how me over what is the exchange the exchange for that is you have tens of thousands of civilians on the road you have civilians being killed you have fighting taking place the women those are the people who are partners against Isis those are the ones who are being targeted actively Turkish forces who say that they are terrorist fighters the people being displaced and the truth is that the people who are being attacked were allies up until literally days ago these are the people who did the fighting and the soldiers that were there between you told us there was this group of one hundred fifty US soldiers that have kind of been keeping the peace but Kurds are locals they've always been there the Turks have always been there and to make the decision so yes there is an element of inevitability however the truth is that there hasn't been much active fighting between Turkish forces discover the right solution best buy more than one option in your search you can utilize capterra's product comparison to see detail side-by-side visit capterra dot com slash start 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What if you can text ABC two eight four eight message and data rates may apply the deputies met earlier this week then the had have more time in no time buying the right software right now at CAPTERRA DOT com slash start here with over one thousand reviews of products nary where people have been displaced and that's certainly what we've seen on our journey in hip red tracer fire flying through the night sky I'm you're used to and now listeners will get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress just text ABC to eighty four eight the only way to get a free pillow is to give her deposition at Congress today but she is still a State Department employees you could still be told not to participate Alex Fascinating stuff thank you thanks bread days ago basketball executive with the Houston Rockets enraged Beijing when he tweeted support for protesters in Hong Kong there it's one of the most popular teams in China since they drafted the there's a police force we had defeated Isis we defeated the Caliphate one hundred percent we talk about just one hundred and fifty? US soldiers now I appreciate that is a commitment for a nation coming years ago we'll just like that he apologized apologize essentially for supporting democracy in criticizing police violence the NBA. It fell issued a statement distancing it I've been fighting it's been a year since president trump one of the troops gone anyway so one of this have always been a problem I mean the animal is longstanding decades and decades old because start here capterra that's C. A. P. T. E. R. R. A. dot com slash start here capterra software selection he's fans and our partners in China they will see those remarks in the context of now a three decade if not longer relationships hitters got together we just completed negotiations with China we're very well today president trump is going to sit down with China's vice premier from real software users discover everything you need to make an informed decision no matter what kind of Software Your Business Needs Capterra makes it easy to the went to deserve this with no terrorist where will you go now you could add an Amazon we can't go to we can't go to Iraq no this woman with many children the kids were crying they're eating a pack of chips was there anything that had to eat and she's saying what have we done wrong what do we do to president also facing the heat jude blanchette he's The freemen share in China studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies he's written a book called China's new red guards and -sition partly because the threat was coming from one side right so we you possibly took some opprobrium from customers back exports spoiler alert you do this is a big moment and yet imports exports are not the only thing on companies minds this week Outta trouble brewing for the NBA this morning rod so for specific companies the price can be existential but what's interesting here is the NBA's not just an average company James Jude can you walk me through the Chinese playbook here like you get the matter you what happens I think it's important to point out this case what happens when a company stands up countries doing really well we have horrible trade deals and I'm straightening them out the biggest one not nothing yet the NBA is still wondering if it'll be available to Chinese viewers one billion of them and companies like apple with the APP store and comedy central with South Park through a potential trade deal billions upon billions of dollars on the line here right so if you've got stocks or a 401k if you sell stuff that China imports if you buy stuff to China this is this is what we think is companies were not stepping down well that's near this is an interesting question because more often than not companies haven't tested that property any company that's been in China over the past four decades has been in a position where they're trying to navigate a rocky territory of basically how do you politics for trump tricky on this if the trump administration comes to a deal on trade that's week this week of all weeks both sides both Republican that what we're seeing here is actually not a new story it's just that we usually don't see this happened to companies in such a public light it's my hope that for our child the whereas you can replace your salmon and whereas you can replace your router your semiconductor potentially there's only one MBA and that's why I think this is such an interesting in your home country but you could whether withstand that with China though you potentially lost market access and so there's numerous sell your stuff here anymore you're done yes you know after Norway granted the Nobel Peace Prize to Leo Xiaobo all of their salmon shipments were not unloaded off the docks in China and was just left ars China will so how does this relate back to trade talks than Jude is president trump meets with the Chinese leader. He's clearly hoping to get an agreeable deal the economic juices flowing coming up pretty ferociously a bipartisan group of lawmakers called on NBA Commissioner Adam silver to show the courage and integrity to stand up to the Chinese government. I think it's important breath this week we've seen this remarkable response to wildfires in California that didn't actually happen kind of presponse preventatively cutting the power has especially with the NBA issue you're seeing you're seeing Middle America watch this issue in a way that they they haven't before made a lot of Americans all of a sudden way what we care more about isn't the dollars or is it great according to your global norms and values but at the same time how do you make sure you're you're not crossing red lines but just for the sake like this is probably a stupid question but what if you just say no astor's though we've not been able to prevent South Been One year since Hurricane Michael slammed into the Gulf coast near the Florida panhandle and caught everyone off guard or chief meteorologist Ed I feel like some people they their next so they weren't they don't know where they were not Turkey trying to target the positions of those fighters lots of people in Northern California angry today that they're in the dark because of previous failures and equipment owned by Pacific Gas and electric that started wildfires some I'm here to Ian that's my question president trump had said I'm sorry you know it's not our job necessarily to be the world's police force and when you think about this group of one hundred fifty hang on the ground against Isis I think many people would say we owe them a debt of gratitude all right that is panel inside Syria Ian stay safe thank you this ginger zee experienced this firsthand on entire home taken off of its foundation and rolled down the street will this which went back to ask what is it recovery look we've got numerous examples of this the South Korean company Lotte Group notice that in every one of its stores on the same day they all suddenly had fire code violations didn't have a car when when we knew we had a couple of hours yet to get out I didn't have the means to do that I don't have family in it stunned me and I've stayed in touch with those people so I needed remember that the one bipartisan issue in Washington DC right now is China and a concern about China's rise and what is the United States going to do about it and of course that makes the storm out and because they're home had basically exploded in the storm surge so they got a fema trailer they were one of the lucky really because not every Z push a deal off until a better moment this week I think is going to be looked at as an inflection point in the bilateral relationship everyone is watching this right now jose can again so that's that's no good yes but this is where politics smashes into rationality and oftentimes the case is politics win so I think the question is does he like for people in these communities that are seeing the effects of these natural disasters ginger is with us now and ginger I can hear some airport sound behind you area I am right now folks help for a year but they come back every two weeks and say have you found a job have you found a place to live because there's a time limit on that so she's feeling the pressure the ideology the beliefs Ju- blanchette thanks much thank you forward I mean we've seen this surge dramatic weather events you got places the five hundred year floods every few years now so are there actual policies that could nobody can prove residency and meets all the stipulations to get the FEMA trailer the winning it scares me famous Hiller so any little gusts shakes and it worries me this year flew by and she's looking up and saying how am I going to do this on time where am I going to live she's going to have to go live with their parents a grown woman the FEMA trailers can't have her dogs so her dogs have been staying with her parents far away then her life really got difficult her husband had brain cancer he just passed uh cameras what happens so let's use Talia who was one of the women that I met right after the first person I met that next morning who had a job who had a husband and who had a home has none of those things and I think that's the that's what really stunned me about this storm so Jinju been looking three weeks ago he can only fight cancer for so many years and when you make eighteen and her hurricane pretty good life changing moment for our meteorologist so I needed to go back I had met so many people after that storm the people that didn't have a way out a dozen people that said strong hurricanes you

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1917

Cinemavino

20:12 min | 1 year ago

1917

"Ooh. ooh ooh ooh welcome back to send Levino we are here. We got forty chicken nuggets on the table. Honey Mustard doesn't in one instance steak. Yeah we got. We got family nuggets out here. So that's going to a few less. Well we got the nuggets but no sauce travis. I don't want to talk about. McDonald's dropped the ball on this one. God damnit forty nuggets. No sauce. You got you got hamburglar. YEAH RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE JOE PESCI. I don't remember it's on. Yeah it's one of the lethal weapons. Like I always fucking at the drive through. They do because you got to sit there and either go through stuff like counting money in front of somebody. You GotTa Catch Nuggets. It's like a like a freak off. Didn't even forty million twenty spicy twenty regular For a limited time. Only you can get twenty spicy Z.. Chicken mcnuggets for about five twenty nine at your local McDonald's all supplies last. So we're gonNA talk about nineteen seventeen Taylor and I have seen it. Yes Travis is very curious about probably than I roll. It's a world war where to know what will the war before that. Yeah well Wa the Great War so yeah in world. War Two was not fond nineteen eighteen seventeen brief historical O. D. her not even if we need to get you an encyclopedia Britannica. We can do that. I was I was GONNA ask them questions about Dunkirk. Okay now. Nineteen seventeen is set during the peak of world. War One And the French countryside. It's to brief synopsis. It depicts to Infantryman or sent to deliver a message to the front lines because communications are cut off and director Sam Mendes frames as one continuous shot. CGI and visual trickery. Help for sure. Well it's presented and I didn't know that until after I got home and kind of did research on it like I was that impressed with ride bride to go back and because it seemed that way where it was like. Yeah Cox Rope yes you just see these dudes just walking and extended and Bergman time It's amazing technically how they do it. Because the camera pan over them around them then it will follow them from the side as they cross the trenches cross the bridges. You know swim all kinds of stuff and then it will pan up to aerial battles crashing planes. It's like Birdman except that was much more much more technically difficult to do. So Bergman took place largely in one theater house you know in real time and this one takes place over the course of miles of terrain and day and night and underwater and Yada Yada so. It's it's an amazing film to watch. Technically Oh yes and if we're we're going to get into it that's exactly what I told Todd before traffic over here we just the film journals and the the first thing I said was the reason the one big thing why I love this film. Thank fucking God is the run time. It was one hour and fifty nine minutes and it went by so fucking fast mainly because of that one shot which I didn't know about but from the start of that film to the end. I mean you have to pay attention and I love saving private Ryan Fine but God damn. It's long it's long and there's a lot of like scenes your dislikes staring at it but even the dialogue heavy scenes. They're always walking. They're always moving so like you're having to pay attention and the dialogues actually pretty funny too like they actually got some funny parts to it. Yeah but it's always moving. There's always something nothing like. They never just stand there and talk. You know it's always moving on Mike. Okay I like this and when the movie ended I was just like what the fuck I just watch like in a good way. That was two hours of like of entertainment of great visual display but also great dialogue and looking back on it. Now I can see where the cuts as you were telling me earlier where I can see. where the cuts would have been but I mean you had there? were no potty breaks. Yeah that's that's a two hour film that it's like you cannot get up. And that's why haven't seen Irishman or India's long lists three and a half hours a site look. I'm sure these films are great. I think at the time for that Shit. I mean this was a two hour film. I was one hundred percent in love with it. There was never a dull moment. Well I mean Irishman's three almost four hours or something and a half hours. Yeah I mean the it probably did better streaming on on Netflix. Yeah because one if you release it in theaters people are going to be like. Yeah Martin Scorsese but everybody's GonNa be like all right. So what do we have. No no way like you. Just think of it. And you're you're already exhausted. I got shit to do tomorrow. I can't do that even if they introduce it in theaters. It's not GonNa make make as much money because you can't put it in as many theaters that that runtime is going to eat up the actual like box office tickets. You're not gonNA GONNA be able to show it as many times a day in a theater and I could be wrong but tolerant. I'm sorry I haven't actually read your review because I wanted to go see the movie but you know that film but that whole what what the film was based on nineteen seventeen. That really only took like a day. Did I mean I it was Kinda told in a real life just about it was like I didn't just do this in like you know. It didn't take him five days. I mean they. They put everything in. They could real quick. Yeah so there was no room to like tell story this. This is how it went. Did it take place in real time. Did they just about just about so the so the two hour runtime. It took them two hours. Like you didn't have night day night day. Anything like that. I it started today and then it went night and stayed night without giving too much away. There's a break in the middle of the film where a character is knocked unconscious. And that's like a that's one of the few heartbreaks looking back on. It is hard. Yeah that's clearly you know. There's a cut to black there's indefinite like cut right there and it still seems pretty seem because you pick up after that right where you left off with that character in the same moment so if feels like you're him where it's like you wake up. It's like wait a minute. How long was I out? What did you say okay? So time passed during the knockout. Are there is. There is a day tonight transition and then back to morning so awesome but yeah look you're watching real time through an actual motion you know it's it's pretty much like he says nonstop. Yeah there's just a few moments with cameras still like it would be in a conventional movie we for a dialogue scene on. Because it's like you know it's realistic. How they would not be standing still on a battlefield they would be behind me? Running crouching hide behind stuff in Niger. I knew that was gonna but a yeah I told Todd is not a spoiler but I I thought certain big name actors were GonNa have much larger roles. Yeah and you know you see certain names like Oh shit. It's like but you know not not the case and not knowing that it was a short movie like I. I really had no idea what with the mood. Time was going to be. I just knew I wanted to see that much. That much buzz about it. And I'm like fuck I wanna see it after seeing it was kind of like I understand it. Wow also kind of confused like why would this person be in this film for just that Short amount of time because they knew this is probably going to be a a big film you might recognize the one of the troops Tomen from game three. Yes Oh yeah. Yeah but as the first thing I noticed when he came into the scene like he he was one of the main characters. Because I said Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah He. He's perfect baby face. Oh was he like. He's you know he kind of has a young innocent just freshly yeah to war all. It would've taken me out of the movie. But if he's he's trying to save his brother is basically PARV. Yeah yeah okay so I just remember that from the trailer is that they're like you have to alert these people or otherwise. It's going to be an ambush and your brothers among them. So that's why picking. Yeah so it would have been excellent. Had his brother at the end if you found him I have no idea. I've not seen it was joffrey. Okay yeah killed anyway. Yeah that's accurate But Yeah so you thought it was as well a great film best film. It's one of those movies where it's like. You know it has ordinarily stuff like that could be kinda gimmicky of ruined try do one continuous shot but it actually it helps the storyline because it made more intense I one hundred percent agree. It kept me like I think in the theatre. Maybe because it did and I was in a sold out theater next Jubran. Who jumped that everything? But I wasn't even there. Yeah but but there were two people that I remember like that left either bathroom or whatever and came back into my. Yeah you just miss like you're GONNA have a lot of questions. It's like twenty minutes of this film that's quite a bit. That's big B. M. slide those pre game for you to move here. Everybody knows that. So we'll take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the trailers for Moebius and black widow which Welcome back to Cinema Vino We are we are back So we're working. Gop warm too delicious California Pena. Nor I've never had him. It's kind of like a spice to it or does it has kind of a real earthy peppery flavor for a a little more body listeners. You might notice that Sean is absent today. I guess Taylor and he had kind of fallen so now we also told me fuck off. We just like we got so many so much mail and hate mail really back from you guys that none of have you guys liked him and we value your opinions so we just told him to fuck off and die so we quoted you warming Orlean accurately now out of the show anyway. None of that was true. agreed to a race crime. PODCAST spotify find on my reviews move viewed dot US dot US move us dot us. That was the fastest. That was quite nice Now he's laughing jokes. I like it when he tickles himself. And what about your answer. Oh yes. Data's vino which I know Travis Travis will give me some shit about posting Yup. The point is I'm waiting for the right time. Everyone's posting everyone dry January. I'm doing misty. Mr January so sprinkler in but wait for it. 'cause you're about to see an explosion. The podcasts aren't going anywhere but what we've been drinking can just saving up. So y'all know hold onto your buddy. Yeah be prepared for some notifications. I A home Tom Please dammit so quick. Quick Rundown Moebius living vampire are so mobile living vampire they couldn't do vampires in the seventies Stanley. Said fuck that noise. They did science vampire to fuck the comics code of thirty and they're like mortgage mortgage living vampire. Well that's character. He Fights Spiderman. He is basically a doctor. That's trying to cure himself kind of a little bit like Bruce Banner. Only only the empire I thought the trailer actually didn't look terrible. Like I'm sure it's GonNa be a shitty movie. I'm kind of excited about it either way. Are you sorry are you. Okay with leto yeah. He actually looks pretty accurate to the role. I would say yeah better than he did joker so this confirms the listeners. This'll it'll be a standalone in the same way as them and joker. Yeah I think they're trying to maybe incorporate so Michael. Keaton showed up from the homecoming Spiderman movie so they're trying to tie all their other Spiderman universe closer to Spiderman so they might do a mortgage isn't venom team up or some kind of jazz like that 'cause they're the kind of anti heroes of spider man villains about how they're kind of sometimes good guys Kinda Highness sometimes bad guys or they could be going with the original plan. Introducing a whole bunch of people and then doing a senator six movie car. Yeah neither neither one of those two are on this six. That's alright I guess. Now it's not until you is zero and vulture taller and one of them is dead. Apparently well apparently well yeah better. Be A fucking allusion new black widow trailer. Uh Not too much get to see a little bit more of taskmaster. And he had lake his own. Captain America's shield and then they showed a little bit of his his powers and that like he was fighting blackwood own abridge ended almost like a reflective move like the exact same thing that she was doing he copied it so so that should be interesting. He's still got a dog. Shit mask looking costume but David Harbour is Red Guardian. Yes yes. He's a captain America. I was GONNA say Right Guard. But that's the odorant home but yeah I don't know much about his character. So he's basically the Russian counterpart of Captain America. Okay and is taskmaster task masters he black widows primary villain are they mainly opponents no taskmasters mainly a straight up of vendors opponent so anytime you see any bad guy that has like henchman or other bullshit like it's taskmaster that's train them down so or most of the Times because he's been able to basically think of a coach that's watching nothing but tape on like team. His team is going to play for master's power. Our is he can mimic anybody's anything that he's seen them do and then if he watches it in fast forward he can kind of do it in fast forward only. He's not superhuman human himself so sometimes that wears them the fuck out but he trains the people that are gonNA fight spider himself as taskmaster. Someone could bring back for future marvel movies. Oh Yeah I they better kill them off. I don't WanNa see them in all the other ones I stand alone with. I mean I don't know how popular that character is. But it's like I can't imagine bringing a new villain in and then killing them off in the first task mysterious I highly doubt that taskmasters. Here's a little bit like not quite dead pool level like he's he's bad ask the pool but he's not quite got all super smarmy shit like that if you put but both taskmaster dead poor together. You're going to get a DC villain called death stroke. I'm not at all funny. That but like they basically marvel stole two ideas from that character and made two separate characters. And that's them. All three characters are bad ass. No Bobby going off subject here in Travis you can feel free to Oh real feel free to slap me here is you've tagged me in so many things which I appreciate and I've been I've grown to love. I saw something the other day. The got posted The incredible Hulk incred red bull. Hoke yeah what who. Or what is the red hulk so it it was basically like. Wouldn't it be cool to see red hulk and I just don't know what that is i. I don't think he's at great okay. He was popular for a while because it was like. Who is this new Red Hill? He's got to be his own. Alternate Bruce Banner like you know he's got to have a different identity and it was they threw in some red herrings things and he was popular for a while because he went and fought all of old hoax enemies and kind of did a greatest hits and art was really good for a while but I just it didn't really really didn't really give me. I'm very critical of comics in general and I'm going to go ahead and spoil his secret identity because fucking care. It's general thunderbolt herbal Ross. It's the army guy that was always after hulk that we hold it was a monster and so he just becomes one himself also if he changes into the hulk. Oh should have a moustache Establish whatever Bruce Banner does to him himself if he grows facial hair trying trying like hideout fugitive style when he turns into Hulk boom hoax going to have a beard. Sorry but yeah well but I I don't know because has do you think that could be a stand alone movie because obviously love the whole films have like the not done so well okay. We'll do a whole movie that instagram Sir. Graham was prone to talk about. It's like hey could read. Hope be a movie now. Oh that's interesting. You know and he could be in so I think the rumor has it. Is that marvel. Marvel got back full control of Hulk anymore. So they could do a defenders movie and then they do solo hulk films which would be awesome. Yeah no be all sorts down with that type things. Yeah Yeah but yeah I agree that the hope redhawks have a moustache. What'd you think about Moebius real quick the trailer I like it? Hopefully it'll be good. I'm I'm skeptical of any villain centric movie like that. I think they need Spiderman thought for Venom. Yep Yep is probably going to be dog shit but you know. I'll pay the price of admission. I think black widow might be a pleasant surprise I've got a good feeling about it. I think any marvel movie right now is not going to fail. You Know Marvel Disney. You know faulk it. It's not not gonNA fail. They're too big to fail. So it's been another episode of With thank you very much and we will see you guys the next time. Fuck y'all in your the pope suit and.

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Why Less Is More: How to Strip Out Complexity in The Workplace with Guest Jesse Newton  Episode# 48

OC Talk Radio

31:07 min | 2 years ago

Why Less Is More: How to Strip Out Complexity in The Workplace with Guest Jesse Newton Episode# 48

"At Farmers Insurance we have concrete evidence that parking under an industrial cement mixer. That's just asking for trouble seen it covered it. Click for more are underwritten by farmer's truck fire insurance exchanges and affiliates products available in every state. Welcome to the confident R._O._I.. On this episode we have the author Jesse Newton and talking about his book simplify work crushing complexity to liberate Innovation Productivity and engagement came out in two thousand nineteen year in February and we had a nice conversation <hes> Jesse shared some nice examples about the complexity in work and how it tends to grow. I use a a metaphor from my family's history and <hes> we have he talks about the there's a New Zealand shoe all birds how they only offer two choices and how Steve Jobs had to make some difficult decisions and apple on product lines and was really interesting is consumer package company a major one he you work with they had a cyber attack in their computer system was down for two weeks but it was really interesting unintended positive effect that came from this and at the end Jesse shares three we step so if you're listening to this in the car and you're like Great Ya. I'd like to simplify work but you know it's just I organization doesn't get it or or whatever the issue is Jesse gives three clear steps that that anyone can do whether they they own the company lead. The company is working it. I got a department of one. There's three easy steps. They can follow to simplify work in crush complexity which is crushing a lot of people people soles so enjoy enjoy the interview and <hes> if you're interested in getting a copy of his book he tells you where he can get it at the end and if you're interesting getting copy of my book Transform Your Company go to you confident R._O._I.. Dot Com and click on behavior opiate button and request your Free Book Jesse Newton Welcome to the confident R._O._I.. Thanks so much for having me as <hes> looking through your your for <hes> <hes> your bio and you're the author of simplify work crushing complexity to liberate Innovation Productivity and engagement that <hes> it sounds simple but <hes> complexity as <hes> <hes> has a way of like growing. I don't know if you're familiar with Bogan. Delia lines my father. There's a family story we had in that <hes> we had Bogan Valia vines which are very hardy and I think my mom had planted them and then she wanted him pulled out and it took him forever to to get him out and he cut himself in decades later. They were still talking about itself taking out that complexity just take the bushes out is is easier said than done what led you to this to this book and <hes> in work and the analogy of it has a lot of people were than companies are very well aware of L. unnecessarily complicated possesses but they also feel over well was just the Ray Ch- complexity the complicated nature of the words I you think about how companies grow up you know they incrementally they add these disciplined structures horses you know they they define these very clear roles and responsibilities disabilities and you know these parameters around with the healthy and other responsibilities into the lab or who they should interact with and as they grow they add more more these things and so traditionally you get the point where we break it up. It's a nitrous. 's companies vulcanized like the region or products of services <hes> and it just becomes an elaborate and <hes> my background is in management consulting and now the booth with boozing constantly E. Y.. And works all around the world with one hundred companies of just witness it every solo company the some level really battles with unnecessarily complicated ways of looking at what you do you think that is the traditional twain century load of vanishing word and what's what the reveal in my book simplify word is that were at this section point with all of the sudden with new emerging. Teaching Technology There's this opportunity to twentieth century mobile of managing where it truly deliberate who is a the intelligence in the innovation creativity and people just the double clinical all why you know back in the old days the original thinking with with organizations was out of Outta leaders sit the direction and then manage the outflow manage what what people do so so people were going to a company and are essentially treated said like consonant machine and so you'll give it a guy here is the output I expect from you will to roll unites very well down to metrics and K._p._i.'s and and then it will force out so you'll performance colons a between a certain period using these predefined templates and you know you'll communicate through your boss so it's on its own political hierarchy with that people have power the different roles and that's the way work has is being managed for over one hundred years since since the Tyler Ism beginning stages of our hundreds but now <hes> which two dozen are saying we have you know the fourth industrial revolution we have an emerging technology <hes> that's enabling us. Look at the way we organize work very differently or the beautiful tasks weaken bring people to get a small autonomous teams that are controlled the bows and and sit and break <hes> to to be able to really through innovative work and execute and Mike the sites and learn and so <hes> it's. It's a very exciting time in large companies at this point with thinking about well. How do I actually saw to the newly appointed Bergen? Delia organizations have been done in this special <unk> all-time from flexes the has just strangled with with the business and its reach associate widow we stop by gained a pull together some how to Hawaii the fortunate in that's to me the BOUGAINVILLEA has gotten some fertilizer from when I started working twenty five years ago and a company that was bought out by Ernst and Young <hes> you yeah we didn't have email we shared computers. You know getting a voicemail is a big deal and when you're first starting out you wanted voicemails I remember being disappointed coming back months having no voicemails but you know we got e mail years later and now everything's accelerated and before we'd have files he'd have a paper file. I'd be working on the file. He gives the manager of you. You give it back and you work on it but now any couldn't do that many things at one time because you are physically restricted but now you can work on things online. Everyone's got the file everyone can kind of go and and at their own pace at two o'clock in the morning or it's almost accelerated things yes in in some ways okay we can just move so much faster we can we can work twenty four. We can work from home. It's not like staying at the office door on the computer. I mean that's like kids. Today must be like the nuts right <hes> everything's accelerating decelerating but almost we have to be more conscious of okay. What does that mean? How's what's the side effects going to be? The BOUGAINVILLEA is going to be growing even more mine. <hes> what what have you seen what what can people we'll do about that well. That's a fantastic point is that it's a double edged sword and is this massive risk with the Rizal today's technology that we have art distracted and we get constant interruptions and at a fix a break sell out focus and <hes> so big part of the book is this whole simplify do as the jewel <hes> because allies have become classics. We fought onto stuff you know and we we have all these different notifications fines whether it's facebook link then once they grab or Mr Joel whatever amaze me and we were hugely responsive to like the plan that lunch and wanting to see the voice valves we should have you know we we you want to see oh here's responded to my post or whatever <hes> and so we allow ourselves to be interrupted and what that does is it does brighten. I'll I'll focus and so we have a lot of women quarterbacks or we keep allowing ourselves to be erupted erupted distract with body that is different new technology platforms when let's productive <hes> an impact saw folds also some of the things I suggest approaches be very diligent about how you manage your energy and manager taught you know be aware of where when are you most productive as nine to eleven or is it and the Eastland but just just you know look within yourself and think about this yeah I mean and they protect that time for your license Portwood and then cop out funds in the day to do the emailing the chicken facebook or catching up the latest sports results <hes> because otherwise to the point that usage Ajay's. Choice we run the risk of the costs of the code of different directions and interrupted where we just have become very reactive and we lose the ability to be really proactive with our actual. It's hard for an individual sometimes in an organization to do that and when I'm hearing is you have to say no to things or no. I'm going to do this then or this is how. I'm GonNa do it versus. Yes yes okay. We'll just added to the list list but when an organization Kinda keeps their business model keeps getting more complex I've always been fascinated by the companies say notice things and make it a little easier for their worker southwest airlines aligns. There's no first class in everyone's the same on the play and there's one set their employees tend to be much in a much better mood than the ones on other airlines who a a little more frazzled and they gotta do more things. They got more complex thing they got multiple service types people can only sit and they seats it used to be. I lasted coach now. There's two or three economy classes and now and the police that and and <hes> nyc can't bring personal alcohol on the plane which I never thought of but now that's the big deal but <hes> the complexity southwest says no to things and a lot of companies especially early on they tend to say yes we'll do that. We'll do that which inevitably makes it more complex for the the workers how much of it how much of it is on the individual for simplifying work and how much of it is is is contributed by the organization makes the complexity or so. I think there's a couple of things that <hes> the first is the same as a naval is alien idled truly understanding what the strategy is very understanding. What's most important and so introduced the three step process for the first one is always the has to be get ready crystal clear on what is actually much would <hes> and now that could apply to organizations like the implied from individual role by function or a group <hes> that was dealt? That's and it'll on a one point six say no to things he said I'm unique position where you sort of have to negotiate I shite requests inevitably results and lots of essence and then thing I've awhile with <hes> in a second face to the design of the southwest life. This is like a traditional valence wants flooded with four different classes all of that set this there is a lot to be saved in organizations on the power of a simple product <hes> and and the re realizing that customers a really resonating resonating with simple products and <hes> one of examples of folk about focus talk older. It's shows the full bits Schutz Nice House about that but it's a basically it was museum an entrepreneur entrepreneur that wanted to do something with marina world and worked collaborated with the scarf in San Francisco and I snapped with us really simple show and <hes> it's basically I assure its might have people <hes> we saw super comfortable and like two different types of shows I go into a Nike or at four twenty. Five types of sugars and always in color is always different. You know options functionality options by many other large organizations that you're going through an overt store which currently is laney on line two different Cheryl's sister stiffest uncle and the ANC consumers episode sort of beloved the <hes> and so there's all this energy around Aufori superfly because customers really risen light customers much prefers something that simple. Maybe it's just the <hes> it's the feeling waiting to put an extra energy to understand something <hes> that I remember another instance where I unleash my particular soldier for enough years ago and I want to use a bank and one the bank has this online presence my banking or law Izabela should and trying to negotiate the online banking last fall was like on the hit sue AIDS in those excruciating retirement Angie. I'll have to expand expand trying to do the simple functions transferring money or depositing money you or whatever it may be and then I was down in New Zealand a couple of years later. I opened the New Zealand Bank and I was absolutely upset while simple the. edify sports it was simply one page with one box. There was just so much free spice on the page but by the dragon drop to do the basic stuff you want to do a line was just sung. It'll be easy as a customer but while the I really resonate with this I love this experience. Tell my friends about how wonderful this bank is just because of the civil of device so I think that second point I think companies are increasingly picking awful. It's but they have to someone had to sit back and go gee. We gotta make this. We gotta make this easier I in in. It's kind of counter intuitive to make things simple you you. You got to expend some energy and you gotTA. There's some tough decisions there okay. What aren't we gonNA include? I think we're we're used to have to offer everything well is it is it really unofficial. Is it it is that get you mentioned earlier on you know asking what is most important and to me in today's world. It's it's hard to get people to disengage. I mean there's only certain times we can actually get him to sit back and think about that. We don't have time for that dog then. There's another chapter in the book that is all about simplifying not easy to your point. It's it's really actually hard it takes a long time and a Lotta commitment and a lot of intelligence deligence the Pew back something that has all of these functions subpoena it back to its core that still delivers the intended function and saw the whole design choices that they see my guy if you think about what with a particular product or service or even organization one of the things that animus and how do we really shine the spotlight for naval those those few things and we say no to everything you know I said it has to be a decision point around which which I gave southern it's simple also delivers the function and so they're always comparing pushes that that is part of it resigned posted <hes> in hindsight for organizations with Jewish League on a kind of all of these different functions in our companies through all of these different things it's able the like the this woman bank website but to deal with now this I won't be there could be different way to think ah alley structure and how we design the white stuff the pice of industry disruption for so vox and the pace of the Eagle issue of consumer preferences so foss us the companies have to be able to innovate really well and really Feis an N._F._l.. Without simply they've been loxley pretty quickly <hes> and so I woke up discovering that you know if you get the design is on a company that has these assault teams off focus really intently on the customer the costly picking up data for the new technology able to actually see the opportunities design solutions execute quickly and interact with <hes> the companies will move much much foster whistles the typical eurocracy where it goes for the approval processes and they get the clever with the distance before different bosses and careers lighter your deploy something closer fingers those but is there a challenge there between okay. We we gotta have simplify. We're trying. We're not going to do everything but then new things. These are coming up or being disrupted do we do. We change what we do. Do we add to it. Do we stop what we're doing and do this. I mean that's let's say <hes> I mean I think that's how kind of complexity it gets going right. You keep saying yes to the new things without saying no some of the old things so I think I finished with the role of leadership is shifted and so it's much more by pulling in all of the the critical data that's now vital <hes> and extrapolating and so so understanding the ship will check references of the macro opportunities and been having these strategic guardrails of salts these parameters around around with this little play and then when you organize these things organized listen categories at the and sorry you've got the spice that we wanted to be a message for business and then at that sort of several that Clinton Strategic Direction will be objectives these parameters sit around we fly but then within that period had okay so in some ways. It's like cleaning up your garage. You got all all kinds of stuff in there. You gotta you gotTa go through and pull it all out. Reorganize it a lot of it's not going to go back in and then it's gotta fit in certain certain parameters yeah. Yeah I think about my desk for one of the things I did was trunk with Clutter light on my desk and it's the same sort of thing you know you you guys through and we should have organized the whole process of simplifying your organized. I all mcclaren's a things as a Los Angeles. Necessarily you organize things then you figure out our kyw well which ones of these can we get rid of which all this important we tell those <hes> and then you sit up a any structure or persist for focusing on the low stupid stuff Ford she share any examples of of Alex Change People team or company yeah absolutely I mean there's a really well known one of I would get up the apple and I love us. It's because it's such a good one people know that save jobs to three bucks of Song <hes> but essentially he rejoined rejoin the company back in ninety seven apple had like twenty five different product groups the the philosophy of leadership at the time was you know where official leading take out and therefore we need the ever a presence in every single industry segment but they weren't doing well and McCormack Sprint Greider Simpson problem and the company was on the verge of bankruptcy and so then rejoined the count the that is organizational you angry and and told that twenty five for extensive four light the precision that now what we're GonNa make products that are going to change the world and that and that focus and they will be entire organization to run in the same direction greatness most for products and you know as a success speaks for itself and so that organizational focus <hes> liberate people from all these distracting competing ching requests the simple things that are another example. That's a Dow Virgo there. That's a tough decision for people. We're going to kill a product invested in it. We got money. We have revenues from now how he's GonNa kill it that that's going to immediately have less revenues. Absolutely it's a tough coal in another dog quickly as a too many strategic initiatives sort of what he's back into that point a lot of leaders are invested entered the united they've spent their budgets fittings time and so there is not an easy thing but but if that Straw leadership and strategic understanding lose fuel injectors regarding live because affect vice we can sort of pull out some of it some of the Promotion <hes> all knows that these are the things that we do so the more quantitative fact-based the easier conversations conferences simply by think we should be doing soaring. We're going to be putting your a little baby today. <hes> but to the other examples share you know I was in one of the I was working for a large consumer packaged goods after the one of the largest in the world and commercial commercial social function better realization and this huge global cyber emerging with groups that offered all around the world <hes> all of these natural feeding tomorrow's run ragged and all of a sudden no access to email no access the calendar north even us they laptops for a period of two weeks less than leading global could SM- effect should south could able to believe when the lights fit switchback on everyone's week arm expecting people to be freaking out to be <hes> just confining and overwhelms the the span of work and <hes> Miss Situa suppressing awful said people felt in that two week that they got more done than by up the months for the first time there were none of these extraneous superfluous matings ahead to attain although none of these requests different business now these sounds ause I could sit down and person with key clients and really strengthen relationships on my clothes. All of this work was only styles these my thing does the team and impress them able to work all these key campaigns and go a ton of really good work done and so is the latest well. Let's step back and that was a huge catalyst for Adelaide. Tight potentially negative experience and all the good stuff and leave US design other work that son so these guys is highly paid global experts fully always directions and able to really fuck this little things that that is a huge unintended benefit of of almost a meltdown right. I mean cert- certain business couldn't survive that if they were consumer fit you know dealing with the general public and you couldn't contact like an airline right. I mean airline can't exist but <hes> wow so did they do anything. Did they take any lessons from that and so large that huge <hes> can find to to reduce our organizational complexity to identify then out what people feel a timely during the day and then from those things there's flexibility butch truly priorities which are separate but also now in our still people spend time on that strip out all of that stuff that is low value. Let's give it to someone else but bringing mold both people to do with an older. It's nicer. It's it's <hes> the experts so tunnel these things <hes> so yeah catalysts for positive change wow as <hes> who had thought now I heard like some companies do Fridays without <hes> email and things like that and they find your one day a week and they find it really productive so yeah. It's probably not a surprise that the two weeks even more productive. Thanks okay wow that's <hes> what what other things would you <hes> recommend people that in other kind of been listening to podcasts. They're driving to work and going into working like all right. It's it's not I think I would still out in on the mind of their own role function recip- I one escape through on what's less than what you will take whatever they the back and really think critically around one of the troops priorities <hes> get really quickly on that and then sip to get there on the true reality of our. It's today all you can do that. In various ways will bring your team on the station to <hes> silicon over constition but <hes> get really clear on all the different buckets so stop of activity. That's taking up your time or your people signed when do the analysis that Wa- watch a vase <hes> <hes> really versus <hes> get really clear that they will third step Rita's all redesign how you spend defy redesign <hes> wool the activities that a helix today as potentially remove some things that are low or redesign with Corsair celts more simple <hes> that was it was clarity on what's most important plans on how it's done within a much the failure around on how should you right of way. That's that's terrific. Three easy steps get clear on what's most important do the analysis assists and then redesign around. What's most important what's going to get the best best return all right well? Jesse has been great <hes> it would have been a little longer if <hes> if I hadn't been late for less today did a little bit of snow and just bad schedule management <hes> maybe some complexity on my on my business but <hes> <hes> how can people get a hold of you so brooke simplify work is available anywhere you can buy books and in my email is Jane. Newton simplify were dot com and buy something there's all right well. I got that down and <hes> I appreciate you coming on today. It's been great having young confident our lives. I'm sure people get a return on their time and their investment by deploying those things and I look forward to <hes> to read in the book and fantastic. Thanks for the endpoint enjoy the compensation. Thanks Jesse back. If you're liking confident are Y. You don't please leave us a review on I tunes or wherever you listen to this podcast. Thanks farmers insurance. 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Why Less Is More: How to Strip Out Complexity in The Workplace with Guest Jesse Newton  Episode# 48

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Why Less Is More: How to Strip Out Complexity in The Workplace with Guest Jesse Newton Episode# 48

"Quitting your burgers of a coffee table. If you want to eat a bird or put it on a bar volume instincts to be dubbed for the new all American cheese voter fresh juicy fiefs fast tillage crispy around the edges covered a gooey cheese and stacked to the ceiling with deliciousness knock that baby Dow with a frosted beer at the bar just like those sports God's intended the new all America cheeseburger at Buffalo Wild Wings. Please drink responsibly. Welcome to the confident R._O._I.. On this episode we have the author Jesse Newton and talking about his book simplify work crushing complexity to liberate Innovation Productivity and engagement came out in two thousand nineteen year in February and we had a nice conversation <hes> Jesse Sheriff some Nice examples about <hes> complexity in work and how it tends to grow. I use a a metaphor from my family's history and <hes> we have he talks about the there's a New Zealand shoe all birds and how they only offer two choices and how Steve Jobs had to make some difficult decisions and apple on product lines and was really interesting was consumer package company a major one he work with they had a cyber attack in their computer system was down for two weeks but it was really interesting unintended positive effect that came from this and at the end Jesse shares three EASTEP so if you're listening to this in the car and you're like gray like to simplify work but you know it's just I organization doesn't get it or or whatever the issue is Jesse gives three clear steps that anyone can do whether they they own the company lead. The company is work in it. I got a department of one. There's three easy steps. They can follow to simplify work in crush complexity which is crushing a lot of people bull shoals so enjoy enjoy the interview and if you're interested in getting a copy of his book he tells you he can get it at the end and if you're interesting getting copy of my book Transform Your Company go to confident R._O._I.. Dot Com and click on behavior opiate button and request your Free Book Jesse Newton Welcome to the confident R._O._I.. Thanks so much for having me as <hes> looking through your your <hes> <hes> your bio and you're the author of simplify work crushing complexity to liberate Innovation Productivity and engagement that <hes> it sounds simple but <hes> complexity is <hes> has a way of like growing. I don't know if you're familiar with Bogan Delia lines. My father was a family story we had in that <hes> we had Bogan Valia vines which are very very hardy and I think my mom had planted them and then she wanted him pulled out and it took him forever to to get him out and he cut himself in decades later. They're still talking about it so taking out that complexity just take the bushes out is is easier said than done. What led you to this to this book and in work? The subtotal analogy of there are a lot of people were than companies are very well aware of how unnecessarily complicated possesses but they also feel overwhelmed was just the rage of complexity the complicated nature of the words you think about how companies grow up you know they incrementally they add these disciplined structures horses you know they they define these very clear roles and responsibilities facilities and these parameters around with the healthy in other responsibilities individual have or who they should interact with and as they grow they add more more of these things and so traditionally you know you get a point point where we break it up its nitrous. 's companies organized like the region or products of services <hes> and it just becomes an elaborate and <hes> you know my background is in management consulting and now I used to boozing company E Y in the books and all around the world with one hundred companies of just a witness it every solo company the some liberal really battles with our necessarily complicated plays of working. You know what do. You think that is the traditional twain century load of vanishing word and what's what the reveal in my book simplify word is that were at this section point with all of the sudden with new emerging ain't technology. There's this opportunity to twentieth century mobile of managing where it truly serve deliberate who has a the intelligence in the innovation creativity and people just the double clinical all why you know back in the old days the original thinking with with organizations was out of at a leaders sit direction and then manage the outflow manage what what people do so so people were going to a company and are essentially treated alive calls in a machine and so you'll give it a guy here is the output I expect for you. We'll overall you know it's very well broken down to metrics K._p._i.'s and and then it will force out so your performance servants at between a certain period using these predefined templates and you know you'll communicate through your boss. You know it's it's all it's all political hierarchy with that people have power the different roles and that's the way work has being managed for over a hundred years since since the <hes> with Tyler Ism beginning stages of our hundreds but now <hes> which took dozen are saying we have you know the fourth industrial revolution we have emerging technology <hes> that's enabling us to look at the way we organized differently. The order like the beautiful tasks weaken bring people to get a small autonomous teams that are controlled the vows and and sit and break <hes> to Seattle to really do innovative work and execute and Mike the sites and learn and so it's a it's a very exciting time in a lot of large companies at this point with a thinking about well. How do I actually saw to the point where Berjaya our organizations have been running this special the Satchel all-time conflicts the has just strangled with with the business and its reach associate widow? We stop again a quota. Some who is of a fortune in that's to me. It's the Bougainville has gotten some fertilizer from when I started working twenty five years ago and a company that was bought out by Ernst and Young <hes> you we didn't have email we shared computers. You know getting a voicemail is a big deal and when you're first starting out you wanted voicemails I remember being disappointed coming back for months having voicemails but you know we got e mail years later and now everything's accelerated and before we'd have files. You'd have a paper file. I'd be working on the file. He gives the manager of you. You give it back and you work on it but now in any couldn't do that many things at on time because you are physically restricted but now you can work on things online. Everyone's got the file everyone can kind of go and and at their own pace at two o'clock in the morning or it's almost accelerated things in in some ways okay we can just move so much faster we can we can work twenty four. We can work from home. It's not like staying at the office door on the computer. I mean that's like kids. Today must be like a nuts right <hes> everything's accelerating accelerating but almost we have to be more conscious of okay. What does that mean? How's what's the side effect going to be? The mobile is going to be growing even more. It's mine <hes> what what have you seen. What what can people I do about that well? That's offensive. Point is that it's a double edged sword and is this massive risk with the Rizal all today's technology that we have largely distracted and we get constant interruptions ended a fix fix a bright sell L. Focus and <hes> so big part of the book. Is this whole simplify do as individual <hes> because allies have become classics we hold onto stuff you know and we we have all these different notifications fines. Whether it's facebook link then once they grab or Missa Journal whatever amaze me and we were hugely responsive to the planet can run. She wanted to see the voice bounds we should have you know we I wanna see all his responded to my house or whatever <hes> and so we allow ourselves to be interrupted and what that does is it does break down I'll focus and so we have a lot of quarterbacks we keep allowing ourselves to be erupted opted distract the body new technology platforms when let's productive <hes> an impact southbound foles also some of the things I suggest approaches be very diligent about how you manage your energy and manager talk be aware of where when most productive as a nine to eleven or is it and that easily but just just you know look within yourself and think about what. Sick I think they protect time for your lunch the fourth way and then cop out funds in the day to do the emailing the chicken facebook or catching up the latest sports results <hes> because otherwise to the point that usage ace we run the risk of costs of the code of different directions and interrupted wait we just have become very reactive and we lose the ability to be really proactive with our actual it. It's hard for an individual sometimes in an organization to do that and when I'm hearing is you have to say no to things are no. I'm GonNa do this then or this is how. I'm GonNa do it versus. Yes yes okay. We'll just added to the list I but when an organization Kinda keeps their business model keeps getting more complex I've always been fascinated by the companies say notice things and make it a little. You know a little easier for their worker southwest airlines lines. There's no first class in everyone's the same on the plane and there's one set their employees tend to be much in a much better mood than the ones on other airlines who are a little little more frazzled and they gotta do more things. They got more complex thing they got multiple service types people can only Sydney seats it used to be I classic coach now there's two or three economy classes and now and the police that and and <hes> Nike bring personal alcohol on the plane which I never thought of but now that's the big deal but <hes> the complexity southwest says no to things and a a lot of companies especially early on the tend to say yes will do that. We'll do that which inevitably makes it more complex for the the workers how much of it how much of it is on the individual for simplifying work and how much of it is is is contributed by the organization makes the complexity or so. I think there's a couple of things that <hes> the first is the same as a naval is eilly night old for truly understanding what the strategies through understanding what's most important and so I- introduced the three choices for fixing the first one is always in the has to be get ready Christopher what is actually much <hes> and another accusation implied individual wall function or a group that was dealt. That's and then along then what's the point because they know things he said. I'm unique position where you sort of have to negotiate a Shiite requests inevitably results in lots of yeses and then thing I've awhile with <hes> in a second face to the design of look a southwest flight like a traditional fought for the classes all of that that this there is a lot to be saved in the organizations on the power of a simple product <hes> and and the re realizing that customers a really resonating resonating with simple products and <hes> one of the examples of talk about the bulk is older. It's shows the full bits Schutz Nice House about that but it's a basically it was museum an Entrepreneur Burnell that wanted to do something with marina role and worked collaborated with this go up in San Francisco and I snapped with us really simple show and <hes> it's basically I assure that's might cheapo <hes> we saw soup accountable and the thought to different types of shows. I go into a knock you at four twenty five bucks a show as and always having color is in boys different. You know options functional the options by many other large organizations that you're going through an old goods store which currently is ninety on line two different. She walks sister on the super simple and the ANC consumers episode. I love the <hes> and so there's all this energy around out. We simplify because customers really risen customers much prefers something that's simple. Maybe it's just the <hes> it's the feeling waiting to put an extra energy to understand something <hes> that I remember another instance where you know unless my particular soldier for NAFEESA. I want to use a bank and one bank. Thanks this online previously my bank online Israel should and trying to negotiate the online banking that fall was like on the hit so aids and those excruciating time and energy. I'll have to expand spin trying to do the simple functions transferring money depositing money you or whatever it may be and then I was down in New Zealand and a couple of years light a New Zealand Bank. John and I was absolutely ups back while simple the. The sports it was simply one page with one box. You know there was just so much free spice on the page with the drag and drop the dual. The basic stuff you want to do a line was just sung it'd be easy and as a customer but while the I really resonate with this I love this experience. Tell my friends about how wonderful this bank is just because of a simple of defy so I think that second point I think companies are increasingly picking up apple products but they have to someone had to sit back and go gee. We gotta make this. We gotta make this easier I in in. It's kind of counter intuitive to make things simple info you you. You got to expend some energy and you gotTA. There's some tough decisions there okay. What aren't we gonNA include? I think we're used to we have to offer everything well is. It is it really beneficial. Official is it is that get you mentioned earlier on you know asking what is most important and to me in today's world. It's it's hard to get people to disengage. I mean there's only certain times we can actually get him to sit back and think about out that we don't have time for that dog then. There's another chapter in the book that is all about simplifying is not easy to your point. It's it's really actually hard it takes a Lotta time and commitment and a lot of intelligence allegiance the Pew back something that has all of these functions subpoena it back to its core that still delivers the intended function and saw the whole design choices that we rely that I if you think about what was with a particular product or service or even organization one of the things that animals and how do we really charmless Fort Lie for naval those those few things and we say no to everything you know I said it has to be a decision decision. Point around which which is something that's simple but also delivers the function and so they're always competing pushes that that is part of it resigned posted <hes> in hindsight for organizations would've traditionally gone a kind of all of these different functions in companies through all of these different things it's labeled on the like the Spillman Bank website but to deal with now this I won't be could be different way to think about our structure and how we design the white picket stuff tonight the pice of industry disruption or so farts and the price of the evolution of consumer preferences so toss use that companies have to be able to innovate really well and really fives and N._f.. Like they'll simply they've been walks away pretty quickly <hes> and so what companies discovering that you know if you get if you design on a company that has these jobs aims at US focus really intently on the customer the call slowly picking up data from the new technology that able to actually see the opportunities design solutions execute quickly quickly <hes> the companies I will lose much much foster whistles the typical eurocracy where it goes for the approval processes and they get the clever the distance before different bosses and careers lighter your deploy something close to fingers those but is there a challenge there between okay. We we gotta have simplify. We're trying. We're not going to do everything but then new things they're coming up or being disrupted do we do we change what we do. Do we add to it. Do we stop what we're doing and do this. I mean that's let's say <hes>. I think that's how kind of complexity gets going right. You keep saying yes to the new things without saying no some of the old things yeah so I think I've missed with the role of leadership is shifted and so it's much more by pulling in all of the pitiful sight of it's now <hes> and extract leading and saw so understanding the ship check references of the macro opportunities and then having these strategic guardrails of salts these parameters around around with this little play and then when you organize these things organized listen to categories ethical he's about to treat or the and sorry you've got the spice that we wanted to be a message for business and then at that sort of several of the strategic direction will clear objectives these parameters to sit around play within within that period okay so in some ways. It's like cleaning up your garage. You got all kinds of stuff in there. You gotta you gotTa go through and pull it all out. Reorganize it a lot of it's not going to go back in and then it's gotta fit in certain certain parameters yeah. I think about my desk for one of the things I did trump with clutter light on like this and it's the same sort of thing you know you you guys through and he should've organized by the whole process of simplifying your Organiz. I all the flatter into things as a Los Angeles. Necessarily he organized things then you figure out our guy well which ones of these can we get rid of which I lace important we call those <hes> and then you sit up a new you structure or process for focusing on the lowest he share any examples of of Alex Change People team or company yeah absolutely I mean there's a really well known I would up the apple and I'll opposites off because it's such a good one. There people know that say jobs the belong but essentially when he rejoined join the company back in ninety seven apple headline twenty-five different product groups the philosophy of leadership at the time was you know we're official leading up and therefore we need to have a presence in every single industry segment but they weren't doing well in the expert riders Humus in problem and the company was on the verge of bankruptcy and so then he joined the count the that is organizational review angry and I'm told that twenty five for extensive four light the decision that we're going to make products that are going to change the world and that and that focus and they will be entire organization to run in the same direction greatness most four products and you know the success speaks for itself and so that organizational focus <hes> they can really liberate people from all these distracting competing <music> requests the syllable prefix another example. That's a Dow Virgo there. That's a tough decision for people. We're going to kill a product invested in it. We got money. We have revenues from now. I was just GonNa kill it that that's going to immediately have less revenues. Absolutely it's a tough coal. Another dog or complexity is too many strategic initiatives to what he's back into that less appoint. A lot of leaders are Vincent answered the United they've spent their budgets fittings time and so this is not an easy thing but but if that Straw leadership and strategic understanding loose fuel injectors that's GonNa live because of FEC vice we consider some of the emotion motion <hes> all we know that these are the things that we should so the more quantitative the most that face the easier conversations Congress's simply by think we should be doing. We're going to be putting your little little baby today. <hes> but to the other examples share you know I was in one of the was working for a large consumer package goods after one of the largest in the world and commercially viable commercial no function better realization and this huge global cyber emerging with groups that affordable a will <hes> all of these natural to feeding everyone's run ragged and all of a sudden low exits no exit the calendar Noah could even use laptops for a period of two weeks last leading global defection south able to believe in the lot skit switchback on anyone's arm expecting people to be freaking out to be just planning and overwhelms the fan of work and <hes> The scituate which was surprisingly awful said people fell in that two week that they got more than a COUPLA months for the first time there were none of these extraneous virtuous matings that had to attain no none of these requests coming in that business now these sound ause I could sit down and person with key pints and really strengthen relationships close. All of this work was only styles. You know these guys the role a team and impress them able to work on these key campaigns and a ton of really good Willard on and sorry is the latest well. Let's step back and that was a huge catalyst for Adelaide I potentially negative experience and all the good stuff and let us design other words it son so these guys it's highly paid. Experts are always directions and able to really fuck this little things about. That is a huge unintended benefit of of almost a meltdown right. I mean cert- certain business couldn't survive that if they were consumer fit you know dealing with the general public public and you couldn't contact like an airline right. I mean airline can't exist but <hes> wow so did they do anything. Did they take any lessons from that and so large that huge huge <hes> can find to to reduce our organizational complexity to identify then I out what people spend a timely during the day and then from those things there's flexibility which coach truly biographies of which are separate but also a tie Maui now we still people sing along that strip out all of that stuff that is low value. Let's give it to someone else but bringing mold both people to do data. It's it's it's not <hes> the experts so tunnels things so yeah catalysts for positive change wow as who thought not <unk> I've heard like some companies do fridays without email and things like that and they find your one day a week and they find it really productive so you know it's probably not a surprise that the two weeks even more productive okay wow that's <hes> what what other things would you <hes> recommend people that in other kind of been listening to podcasts. They're driving to work and are going into working like all right. It's it's not I think <hes> I would still out in Koji. Go on like we sit there on role or function recip- Soslan escape through on what's less what you will take whatever they the back back and really think critically one of the troops by authorities get really quickly on that and then sip to get there on the true reality of our. It's today all you can do that. In various ways will bring containment obligation to <hes> silicon over constition but <hes> get really clear on all the different buckets so stop activity. That's taking up your time or people signed in do the analysis whoa which of these <hes> <hes> really emphasize that <hes> it really clear that they will say at Saint Rita's all redesign how you spend defy redesign <hes> wool the activities that we live today as potentially remove some things that they'll already to redesign with forces south's more simple <hes> that was that was clarity on what's important the flaherty on how it's done within a much physician's failure around. I'm how should you right of way must dust terrific. Three easy steps get clear on what's most important do the analysis this and then redesign around. What's most important in what's going to get the best must return all right well? Jesse has been great <hes> it would have been a little longer if <hes> if I hadn't been late for her less today did a little bit of snow and just bad schedule management <hes> maybe some complexity on my on my business but <hes> <hes> how can people get a hold of you so superfly work is available anywhere you can buy books and then Miami now is Jane. Newton simplify were dot com and facebook things all right well. I got that down and <hes> I appreciate you coming on today. It's been great having young confident our lives. I'm sure people get a return on their time and their investment by deploying those things and I look forward to <hes> to read in the book and chest thanks for the endpoint enjoy the compensation. Thanks Jesse back. If you're liking confident are why we're even if you don't please leave us a review on I tunes or wherever you listen to this podcast. Thanks five our T. with caffeine from green tea leaves. 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"You're listening to comedy central amazon music. Presents disgrace land no musical artists better. Personify the hedonism of the seventies than david. Bowie i mean he captivated the imaginations of music. Fans all over the world and his obsession with occultist alister crowley drove him down a dark madness. That very nearly destroyed him. Disgraced land is a music and true crime podcast about musicians getting away with murder and behaving very badly. It explores alleged true crime antics and criminal connections of musicians. We love like the rolling. Stones cardi b. in a brockie. Listen to disgrace land and other popular music podcasts. Like the first one. All songs considered song explorer and quest supreme on amazon. Music auditing envy angeliki. And charlemagne the congratulate you hall of famers present. Radio teams most dangerous morning. Show breakfast big deal. I think that you'll have a certain amount of a spiteful what everybody else does in all the just the best which are do we love. Y'all man thank you for being a people's chance the greatest drill yo. Listen to the breakfast club. When the black affect iheartradio podcast network on iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast presented by pepsi zero sugar. Hey what's going on everybody. I'm trevor noah and this is the daily social distancing show. Today is monday. april twelfth means. It is the first day of ramadan so ramadan mubarak to all my muslim friends out there and respect to anyone who can get through a month of fasting and twenty twenty one. I mean right now. The world is so stressful. I've given up on keeping track of time by days. Now go by the number of oriole sleeves. I've eaten one two three four five six months. It's monday today. Is monday anyway coming up on. Tonight's show matt gaetz. Maybe then mowing his way to prison. They'll say sloan finds out. What racial slurs. You can't use scrabble anymore and a police. Shooting trial is interrupted by a police shooting. So let's do this people. Welcome to the daily social distancing show from trevor's couch in new york city to your couch somewhere in the world. This is the daily social distancing show with trevor noah. Here's a let's kick things off with this weekend. Sad news for the british royal family. And no. They didn't get another black grandchild. I'm talking about the death of prince philip at age. Nine hundred thousand nine and is heartbroken. As i'm sure you were. It was nothing. Compared to how some people felt for tribe in the pacific islands prince philip's death is also difficult. Villagers believed him to be a god and he maintained a relationship with them for decades. On hana one of dozens of islands that make up the pacific nation of vanuatu. It's a place of morning right now. For prince half a world away for the past fifty years villagers here have regarded prince phillip as a guy and philip known at times for his off color remarks and gaffes maintained a respectful relationship with them over several decades sending them. Some were even invited for a visit to the uk anthropologists say. There was a legend in vanuatu. In the sixties that of pale son of a mountain god would travel across the seas and mary. Rich and powerful woman villagers would have likely seen pictures of philip in the queen. Anne government is somehow the connection stuck. That's right while too many people prince phillip was just that mean doing on the crown these pacific islanders. He was literally a god. And i know that may seem silly but honestly it's not anywhere that how the british show him home. I call the silly villages. He's not a god he's a prince which is a real thing that we didn't make up my only issue with filipina. God is that the guy said a lot of racist and xenophobic things. Over the years. I mean how do they deal with that in church. Every sunday we will. Now read from the book philip. Okay not that page. Maybe the okay. No no no you know. Just go straight to communion fish and chips for everyone now. The thing i find interesting is that they chose him as they guard. Because they're legend said a god with pale. Skin would marry a rich woman. And if that's true on then good news guys. Because i have found a new god for you. You know it's going to be awkward. Is if prince charles tries to take his dad's place now. Well now that my father is gone. I guess you would be looking for a new dead t. You know what we're good. We're just going to convert to buddhism. Thank you moving on now to political news. Matt gaetz florida congressman and fraternity brother. Who wants to show you something in his room under fire since news broke of him being under investigation over possible sex trafficking but like a karen in boston bodyworks. He refuses to back down tonight. Florida congressman matt gates defiant. I'm built for the battle. And i'm not going anywhere. The house ethics committee. Launching a new bipartisan investigation into gates examining allegations of sexual misconduct elicit drug. Use and accusations of the congressman may have shared inappropriate and explicit images on the house floor. The justice department investigating whether gates and his associate. Joel greenberg paid women who were allegedly recruited online for sex and travel according to the daily beast gates sent. Joel greenberg nine hundred dollars in too late night then. Mo transactions in two thousand eighteen greenberg use the same app to send three young women including one who had recently turned eighteen varying sums of money that amounted to nine hundred dollars. Greenberg made the payments to the three young women with the descriptions tuition school and school. Okay we have to wait for all the facts to come in. But you have to agree. This is not a good look for matt gaetz. He then moves nine hundred dollars to his sleazy friend and then that same friend van to three young women for tuition three hundred dollars for tuition. This is how much college you can afford with three hundred dollars. Welcome everybody physics one. Oh one but at the same time it looks like matt. Gaetz is so stupid that he might have paid girls for sex on venerable. You think you know a guy and then turns out. Yeah you're totally right. You do know him pretty well now. The reason i don't think it was for tuition is because he wrote tuition people. Nobody writes the real thing for more payment right yours right something funny with like four button medicine. If these guys wanted to hide that they were paying for sex. They should have actually written money for six. Then people would have been like well. Obviously the money wasn't for sex. It was probably for his buck medicine. And honestly most people don't even use actual words on vento right you just use emojis. You'd think a guy who hangs up with teams would know that and emojis actually make the most sense. If you're trying to cover something up that's how i got away with count face belgian flex dolphin without the feds ever finding out. But let's check in now. On iran lost country that american needs to get tic-tac-toe iran has been racing to enrich as much uranium as it can walk talks over. Its nuclear program continue but it just hit a bit of a snag. A developing story overseas concerning iran's nuclear program an incident and one of iran's raynham richard sites triggered a power outage and there are suggestions that israel's behind the sabotage it comes a day after a round started testing its newest most advanced nuclear centrifuge american intelligence officials say the site could be out of business for months. Iran may be pointing the finger directly at israel but israel is not officially commenting as of yet on what happened however we have seen some possible hints in the last twenty four hours israeli media for their part are citing unnamed sources say that it was the israeli massad agency behind this attack. And we've seen some comments from israeli officials that seemed to hint that some sort of involvement damn again. They did this again. Yo how does israel keep wrecking iran. Shit like this. They sabotage the centrifuges acid scientists and now they shut down an entire plant. I mean we know they probably have people inside that. You don't need you jeans to figure that out. But now i'm starting to think that iran's entire nuclear program is just israeli spies. I mean there's probably a giveaway that they gave everyone the day awful. Passover probably a sign right but apparently this blackout wasn't incredibly complicated operation. You see what they did was is really agents took the whole nuclear site and plugged it into the texas power grid honestly. They may never get it back online the once. The lighting for iranian nuclear scientists is that they can always blame israel if they screw up on the job. You're two hours leads for work john. It's my fault. Israel forgot to set my own truck. Okay then don't worry about it. Oh and by the way israel. Eight your yogurt from the fridge. Those is now while iran's nuclear program maybe on hold one thing that's definitely not on hold is coronavirus is the pandemic that keeps on going long after it should like zombie on the walking dead or just the walking dead even as millions of americans are getting vaccinated every day there are places where corona virus is still as out of control as a zoom kindergarten and no state. Has it worse right now then. Michigan has new cases of covid nineteen surge in michigan. State leaders are begging for a surge of vaccines about surging vaccines over the state of michigan so national health experts are rallying behind them. We need to get into the habit of trying to surge resources into those hot spots and michigan is a hotspot. Covid nineteen positivity rates. Haven't been this high here since the start of the pandemic and hospitalizations are nearing peak levels the biden administration so far sticking to its plan of doling out vaccines based on population. When you take it away from one state you never know where you're going to have another surge. This is a complicated situation. But i don't know if the biden administration's logic makes sense here. You can't move scenes from other states because they might get a search. Y'all michigan has a surge right now. That's like having a rhino on the news and animal. Control says sorry. We can't help you because if we come over there are hempel might pop up over here. We can't take the risk if you ask me the simplest and fairest way to decide where the vaccine should go as you get a giant map of the united states and then you have dr fauci throw a dot at it and with the way he throws some doses might finally go to africa. Yes we did it africa. Oh and now the. Cdc is saying that instead of move scenes. What michigan needs is another shutdown but instead having a wittman is just suggesting that people stop gathering groups and going to restaurants. I know a lot of people like why would you do that. Governor one or two something stronger. Yo in the governor's defense don't forget. The last time she tried to mandate safety precautions. The state capital goldstone and a bunch of crazy people. Try to kidnap her. So i can see why this time she's like you know what you guys do your own thing. I'm not trying to get killed because you don't want to order. Take out and here's why the cdc says more vaccines the solution. If a community starts getting vexed up now it will still take six weeks before people. They have immunity which means it's far more important for people who are waiting for the vaccine to just continue wearing mosques and while the should be easy for most people to understand well florida's slig- cysts. New study found continued mask us could save fourteen thousand lives across the us they say even the vaccinated should wear masks because of new kovic strains but down in florida defiance in fort lauderdale where a crowd in the hundreds gathered what was billed as a million maskless march earning their face coverings awhile. Florida continues to see increases in cases debts experts pointing to mostly maskless spring. Break celebrations as a factor. Wow what a dream. Protest for trump supporters. You get to destroy mosque and increase carbon emissions wu and in fact according to a new poll burning pile of mosques is now the front runner. In florida's next senate race thriller people. Protest was ridiculous especially at the end when that gates through his phone into the fire. I mean there's wit. Why would he on the other hand though. We are talking about florida. So i'm just impressed that they took off their mosques before they let them on fire and just by the way. Can you please stop calling your shit million. Something march right. If you don't get million people then don't use the name what you should do is call it. The twelve person much so that when forty people show up. We'll be like damn look at that turnout. But let's move on now to our main story policing in america we know entering week. Three in the trial of minneapolis. Police officer derek. Chauvin for the murder of george floyd and says just about all you need to know that even as the trial is going on protests are raging once again in minneapolis over the killing of another unarmed. Black man dante writes overnight. Protests erupted in brooklyn center suburb of minneapolis. After a fatal police shooting of a black man during a traffic stop. The minnesota guard deployed police deployed tear gas to clear the crowds. Police say officers tried to arrest driver on an outstanding warrant when the man tried to get back into his vehicle. That's when police officers shot him. According to the police chief officer was attempting to draw her as her but accidentally pulled a gun and fired it. You have got to be kidding. Me man was killed at a traffic stop because the police officer mixed up the gun and the is that. is that even supposed to be a legitimate. Excuse like whistles to watch that and go okay. One time. I used sugar instead of salt. So i can relate a look. I'm not saying that tragic mistakes will never happen. But when i am saying is that maybe if the police weren't so quick to draw any weapon then maybe people wouldn't die because of a up from officer urkel over here and by the way don't you find it. Amazing that cops think everything a gun except their own gun. You have a cell phone in your hand gun. You're holding a wallet. Oh that's a gun. They own gun. No not a gun not a gun and even if it was just a mistake. That's not a mistake that you just forgive and walk away especially since you know the people jumping to her defense for using a gun. Instead of taylor are the same people who want their way to fired for bringing them a regular coke instead of diet now regardless of the specifics of how it happens incidents involving police getting out of control with black suspects austin far too common. And you know that because the shooting in minnesota isn't the only example of police. Brutality people are talking about today developing this morning in the state of virginia. The governor there is calling for an independent investigation after the release of a disturbing police bodycam video. It shows officers drawing their guns on an army lieutenant in uniform and pepper spraying him during a traffic stop that took place last december. That army lieutenant says the two officers violated his constitutional rights and now one of those officers has been fired. For or wizar- police officer says in his report. He spotted a vehicle with dark tinted windows. In no license plate displayed that was eluding police. Though a lawsuit says a paper license plate was visible in the rear window of the new car. Missouri admits in his complaint that he didn't immediately pullover driving nearly two minutes with this hazard lights on so he could stop at a well. Gas station wade's going only desario. Who is black. And latino and was wearing. His military uniform asks repeatedly why he's being detained uncertain. This country. and this is how i'm treated on and then this exchange. I'm afraid to get out shoot closer than keffer sprays his. Reo in the face. This this is up lieutenant. Navarro had his hands hanging out of the window but he's still got threatened he still got pepper sprayed and he still got thrown on the ground. And the whole time. Mind you the whole time. These seeing the craziest shits to him. You should be scared. Oh you're fixing to ride the lightning. How is that professional ride the lightning you not hyping right six flags man dealing with someone's life and how crazy is it that this driver think about it. He knew to get to a gas station so that he would have decent lighting for the encounter. Imagine just think about that for a moment police. Brutality has forced everyday black americans to become lighting experts. Oh yeah the lighting. Here's great you'll be able to see the cups with my ass. This is much better and don't forget. please don't forget. This is how cops treated one of the troops. The troops while he was wearing his uniform not a hoodie. Not baggy pants. So what's the excuse. This time i mean if a black man in military uniform cont get humane treatment from the police and what chance does every other black person in america have. I mean at this point. Black people should just start seeing the spangled banner when they get pulled over. Then maybe just. Maybe the cops were like well. I don't wanna. I don't wanna pepper spray the anthem. What do i do. But if you're surprised that a member of the military's having his rights abused then you need to understand the police. Don't give a shit. They don't care if you're a member of the military they don't care if you're a beloved member of the community. They don't care if you're recording shit. They don't even care if they're recording themselves. And the reason they don't care is because they know they're gonna get away with it and until that changes the just gonna keep not caring or when we come back. Don't say sloan finds out if you can use the n. Word in scrabble. And miguel is still joining us on the show. Since i'm host robin roberts and in covid nineteen immunity in our community a new podcast series from iheartradio and the us department of health and human services to hear from americans pawn the frontlines many of whom were uncertain about the vaccine and the facts. That convinced him to roll up their sleeves. Get vaccinated role here from dr. Marcela nunez sm f chair of the covid nineteen equity taskforce. It's critical for black leaders to step up to be role models at this time. Some people have questions about the vaccines and they need their questions answered by people they trust. It's also important for everyone to see people who understand science rolling up their sleeves and getting vaccinated. It's a powerful message that we're sending when we do that about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines listen to covert nineteen immunity in our community on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast we can do this. I'm host robin roberts. And in kobe nine hundred immunity in our community a new podcast series from iheartradio. And the us department of health and human services to hear from americans pawn the frontlines many of whom were uncertain about the vaccines and the facts. That convinced him to roll up their sleeves. Get vaccinated. we'll hear from sandra linzie. The first american to receive the covid nineteen vaccine. I know how it could affect you. Because i've seen the consequences of getting covid first hand so i know how it could affect me now and the benefits of taking the vaccine really outweighed the risks for me. What i'm afraid off is called it. I am not afraid of the vaccine. Listen to covid nineteen immunity in our community on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast we can do this. Welcome back to the daily social distancing show over the posture. It seems like every american company has taken steps to advance racial progress from children's books to pancake syrups and now even aboard game does say sloan has more. Scrabble is the game. It's missing pieces in the airbnb you rent but it turns out people do play it and right now. They're having some drama north american scrabble. Players association may soon get rid of terms from its official word lists hauled up getting rid of slurs now so whereas they could get. You kicked off of twitter. Used to help you win a scrabble tournament. I asked tournament player. Lisa ota why. She's supported the ban. I mean playing at home. I don't think you're is aware that those words are allowed but when you play in a club situation or tournament situation there definitely allow there. Everyone has an initial shock. And then you kind of explain that. I was like why don't we have to give the match. Do they really mean to be in the game. Now you want to take them out but is it because they're offensive or is it because you try to make sure that the people don't get more points than you this safe-space udom if if they're not there for me they're not there for you and then we would have to make the next play without it. What if only people in that group that the slurs are aganst. Play the words no no. I don't agree so we're talking about to find out. I chatted with will anderson twenty seventeen north american scrabble champion and any aspca veteran. So the words that we've specifically targeted are ones that are Racial ethnic gender anything relating to a person's identity. Okay let's take a look at the list greybeard. In a game of thrones family. I think greybeard is like an augist word. what is pepsi. is that a time for black people. it's actually an offensive word for french. Canadian people the superbeets. You need to put mega bitch on there as well. I that one. I honestly have no idea why that's here. The list is two hundred fifty five words long and they're so bad. We can't even john do you. Why wow people are awful and not surprising. Which demographic gets the most words a black amore. Lack amore is an archaic word for black person. Okay we've got dark easy jiggle. Boo mulatto picking any farts. Honestly it's nice to see that white people took a lot of time. Nicole black people of different things so will. What kind of person would play offense alert just to win a board game well. In my very very first tournament. I played the c word against an elderly woman to very elderly woman. I had a lot of consonants in. Its scored well. And she didn't deny now after that did she played the word micro pianist that that happened. And why we're all these words even using scrabble tournaments right up until the year twenty twenty. I don't think anybody approves of the use of slurs to offend or demean other people in the scrabble community. but once you're a tournament scrabble player. For long. enough the definitions of the words almost cease to matter to us at all. It's just that the words are playing pieces but if a word is just the word would someone be so bold the play to an were melania itself within thin across on this table with these tiles my hand you know a lot of people felt that. That's the one that we can. All agree shouldn't be in there if we're doing the wrong thing than we should change it as it's the correct choice for us to do okay. So a ban on the inward especially seems reasonable but the prising. Some people disagree like randall. Kennedy the author of a. Wow that's bolt okay. So i'm just glad to see you're black fell. You disagree with the decision to take the slurs out of tournament play if you're talking about scrabble you know what's the purpose of the game. The purpose of the game is her people to identify. Where routes and there's points attached to identifying the words well is the n. word or the s. word or the f. Word are those words. They his yet words. Well their words used in this game. Okay so if you're seeing across from someone playing a nice little game of scrabble on a sunday afternoon and the lay down the n. Word you wouldn't be offended. No you know if someone someone's using the infamous inward to demean somebody. I would say repress it but that's not what's going on here. I think we need to be very careful. Even the use of the word use are they using the word or are they simply reciting somebody else's use of the word you'll just lawyer may not use lawyered me. That's what just happened. 'cause now we in a court of law and it's like your honor at customer service for a long time because reserve is a lawyer is the same thing dot kennedy that concerns me is actually empowering words. That can be used in a hateful way by making taboo. Maybe professor candidate has a point about giving the n. Word too much power but if you ask me why is a word that invokes centuries of racist hatred and oppression escort point when there are plenty of not offensive. Words can you. They'll stop seriously. It's not funny. Sorry carrot top. You're not on the bad list. Thank you so much. Say when we come back the incredible miguel will be joining us on the show to talk about his brand new ep stick around amazon music presents. Disgrace land no musical artists. Better personified the hedonism of the seventies. David bowie i mean. He captivated the imaginations of music. Fans all over the world with a dizzying array of creative alter egos major. Tom ziggy stardust. And the thin white duke among them and his obsession with occultist alister crowley drove him down a dark madness that very nearly destroyed him disgrace. Land is a music and true crime. Podcast about musicians getting away with murder and behaving very badly. It explores alleged true crime antics and criminal connections of musicians. We love like the rolling. Stones cardi b. ace rocky. If you love music and you love true crime get ready to love disgrace. Land listen to disgrace land and other popular music podcasts. The first one all songs considered song explorer and quest love supreme on amazon. Welcome back the daily social distancing. Show my guest tonight. Is grammy award winning artist. Miguel we talk about what. He's been up to over the last couple of years his brand new ep and so much more miguel. Welcome to the daily social distancing. Show ya thanks for having me man. You know you one of those people who sticks in my memory. Because you're one of the memories i have pre pandemic of enjoying life and going out with other human beings and it's because i saw your performance at coachella. I remember how crazy was amazing. You rocking it and we were all outside and you take those things. I remember being like man. There's too many people here. And now i dream for a day when they'll be too many people again as somebody who spent so many years entertaining human beings onstage. What does it been like for you. Not being on stage for this long is been such a weird groundhog day. I thought i really thought. I wanted to take a break from touring and then i felt really responsible when it all happened. It was like when i was like. Oh my bad i this. Was this my fault. But right right yeah. Now it's like you know is definitely something i miss the most and and does also the the things that you can't you can't conveyed through a screen. You know like in of a crowd is that feeling is is unanimous rice. Just hard to capture. But you know we're all doing our best. And i'm really grateful to you know to to see it and know that our family was okay and just hope the best for everyone who who had to do with any of the tragedy because it's a lot of tragedy over the last year you you one of those artists who's who's just like even have it to the space that is unique in it's not very often that an audit comes along. They create their own niche. That con easily. Be fooled by somebody else and people have tried to place you. They go like oh. He reminds us of prince. Oh oh maybe it's maybe it's a little bit of this but it's miguel. that's really what it is. It's miguel and for fans of yours like myself. 2017 was the last time we got our dose of miguel. It has been a long long time since then especially because of the pandemic and now finally. I'm hearing good news. And that is. Miguel is back in the music. We saw the drop chic volume four. Tell me about why you feel now. Is the right time to drop music. Yeah it's been such a long time Was trying to figure out what was real to share. I think that's pretty much what i always start with. And i i try my best to to have offerings that. Reveal something new about me. In as much as i love to have fun. I wanna you know. Help add to those moments for other people. I just feel like there's a ton of reality that we're all sort of processing and real time and were saying how important it is to sort of. Just be honest. I think that's what gets to human empathy like honestly have so much to do with each other. So i felt like the best thing i could do and the best way to be of service was to do what i do. Best and hopefully give people music that allows them to feel like or or remind that it's it's normal and natural to to you know sort of feel the pressure of society of social media to smile in the face of you know everything that we're dealing with when in reality there's so many things happening for everyone behind the scenes that we don't share that affect and makes it a challenge. So just kinda wanted to. Of how can i be of service and Yeah i think music is always going to be that first place for me. What's what's fascinating to me about. Audela chic is like you'll you'll have always felt like a different avenue to express yourself. What do you think it is about the ep versus the albums. That gives you the opportunity to give us an unfiltered taste of. Miguel is probably yeah. I think it's probably the name in art dealer chic in the concept behind it. And that really. This is about choosing and curate. In the way that we think or Act The way that we feel and being being at the helm of data's opposed to sort of being on autopilot You know sort of so coming to any pressure just like really about the freedom of choice and because that's sort of the premise of the whole you know ep offering this is the place that feels like you know. It's really easy to do. Am i offended. So it's it's really beautiful awesome. It feels like you're doing everything feels like you're comfortable doing everything. Which is what. I really enjoy about watching you work with. It's creating new music whether it's working with full even to even things like being a mental health advocate. I mean that that a few years ago wasn't the sexiest thing in the world. But you as someone who came out. You've always talked about therapy whether it's for couples or for individuals you you've talked about you know Preserving your mental health. I'd love to know why you felt like noah's miguel. I'm not just going to keep they 'nigma around mental health going. i will keep talking about mental. health is something that i'm going to instill in everybody. Why why did you feel the need to do that. I mean the the real thing is a platform to reach people. You start to realize that there's opportunity to help somebody somewhere and I guess it's just just not wanting to take that for granted and realize there's a kid like me somewhere that grew up in some neighborhood that was underprivileged. Like i was or came from a broken family or is of mixed heritage like i am or you know just all the different things that you could be. Because everyone's dealing with something. You know. I i would have loved to have someone reminding me that i have the choice to choose the way that i st the world how i base with the world that the way that i learned how to deal with things you know you can choose better ways. You can use those things are. That's the thing we get operating systems on our phones like every two two months now or something like that. And you know what's the personal operating system upgrade the earlier we can instill that you know other. You know younger kids or younger people. The more likely they're they're they're going to be a building and creating their own mindset as they get up and hopefully are happier more fulfilled people. That's the future. So i just think of that kind of thing. I appreciate it honestly. I appreciate. I appreciate what you speak on. Appreciate the the music that you put. I appreciate you being you. Because it's just it's i think it's inspiring to see people who who work being comfortable being themselves because i think it inspires everyone to try and do the same thing so i'm excited. Thank you for the music whenever we get a a an art dealer chic. It means miguel album coming up and i know you're not gonna say anything so i'm just gonna assume that and i'm gonna be ready for it but in the meantime i'm gonna be listening to this. I'm going to be enjoying it. Keep doing you miguel. Thank you so much for joining me on the show we watch you every segment. Thank you so much for the information in a. It's a much appreciated brother appreciate you amid all right. Don't forget audela. Chic volume fall is available. Now all right. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be back off of this support for the daily show with trevor. No ears edition in the following. Message come from amazon music which is now offering millions of podcast episodes and a slate of original programming. You can even listen to the daily show. Ears edition along with other popular podcasts across culture comedy true crime and music all on amazon music. Listening to podcasts has never been so simple amazon. Music makes it easy to find the podcast. you like. 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Belmont Stakes Special: Interview with Nick Zito

Can Do with Bill Duncliffe

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Belmont Stakes Special: Interview with Nick Zito

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The podcast about all things horse racing some history, some handicapping some humor, this will be the final podcast of this special short SORTA, triple crown season of can-do until we return in the fall. Sharp eared listeners of this podcast will recall this snippet from my interview with New York Racing Association analyst. Anthony Stabile back in our season to. Two, thousand four I had the privilege of sitting next to Ron. Turcott four Smarty Jones humans do because it will Canadian had developed the friendship and earlier. Between the Belmont Stuey and my only back page of the New York Post Stuart Elliott. Ron told me he told me that. He thought he was going to win. By twenty five lines, and that the poll was Gonna come into play to the point where Com Durkin went and walked off thirty one legs and put a piece of blue tape on the rail so that he would know where. and you know if a bird sewn. To Gun I've never heard that. Sound more like a funeral. was there that day the AH? I will never forget how it went from I. Think they're one hundred twenty thousand people there that Dan I think I have that right and you're right. It was it was as loud as could be I, you know. I was down on the Apron, probably at the top of the stretch, and you couldn't hear anything, but it's a horses we're going by. It was just an incredible roar and then they crossed the finish line, and in an instant right. It was like flipping a light switch just. Amazing. It was the most, and I'm sitting next to Ron and Ron's Ron screaming at the top of his lungs. We were sitting at these tables on the second floor, and a clubhouse of Dome on and Ron Smack in the table, and like you know. And you know he's like. Oh, he's raising himself up out of his wheelchair. On story smack in the table and you know I'm I was doing the diary for the post with Stuey Elliott time and still was great, but the funny thing was I talked to Lee Komson. I talked to Lee. Earlier that we talk Jerry Round from thorough wrath, and they told me only two horses. They both said this in in separate conversations that the only horses they thought could win. The Belmont besides Smarter Addington Bird Stone and I loved Eddington I made a big bet on him, but when I made my fours. They were in the back of my head. I was like well. Let me, throw Bridgestone in so my dad and I make a little bit of a score. Out Rotten I'm right in the the roller coaster. Which twit with Ron? And I'm I'm staying professional about it. I just remember I went down to to the Jason talked to a couple of quotes for the diary and I got a couple of quotes and I went upstairs, and I banged my story out. And instead of taking the elevator down Iran downs, the steps of the press box to get all of the. Energy out I had lost weight at that point I lost like a hundred and thirty pounds over the course of that year and I remember just running down. Those steps yelling yes yet. Like Anthony in any of us. Were there that day? It was an unforgettable moment in the history of our sport. So unforgettable as a matter of fact that if you ask most people I would bet that they don't remember. That was also the day President Ronald Reagan passed away. Most unforgettable of all at least racing wise is anthony and I discussed, and as you will hear later in this week's podcast is stunning blanket of silence at fellow or Belmont Park in an instant. One Second One hundred twenty thousand people are roaring the next eerie stunned quiet. I was fortunate enough to be joined for this week's podcast by Nick Zito trainer Bert Stone. You'll hear about this unforgettable race of course, but you'll also hear much more. About Classic, breeding and classic old school horsemanship. About a remarkable woman of many accomplishments, including being a classic pillar of our sport. And classing meeting between Victor and vanquished immediately after the race ended. And least unforgettable for your host, a classic Long Island Railroad Saga. I enjoyed this discussion. When Nick very much and I hope you will, too. Going back to Bertone, and how he got there that day, it really was fascinating to me that. Back in one, thousand, nine, hundred when Mrs Whitney's husband died. Of the many. Think. She got herself involved in. We can talk about that. A little later to one of her projects was to reassemble the Whitney mayors and dear Birdie was one of them right. Yes absolutely. Yeah I was funny because at the time America's. Founding there and. You know it's just wonderful bloodlines. Long. History because the year before. Full sister ERTA. Off. Areas about it, that's. Probably one of the troops speech racing have a greeter. When, they're Kentucky Oaks and then the next year when you know women not classic. Stakes and the travers. That's kind of amazing. Amazing. Yeah so I. Mean You know to her credit? Actually birds out. World check. Your belief. She wanted she was the older really here. She was a pretty versatile our worry. On the. You know what? You really don't see that too often any more right than horse. That's that's what I'm glad. You're bringing up the history because these are like I a terminology she, if you. Start to I called back courses. These are also that we're used to seeing many years ago. They were seven eighths of race around back and. That's what she did like. You said she was second in the trash. She wanted to a glitch on the ball She was actually. Second at two, but then she she wanted to win. You know. There Great greeting? Great history. Were the that we used to have. You're not saying that you're not all five. Champions today. BAFFERT has a bunch of them, but. At the end of the day I mean those are really really. True breeding. Wouldn't breeding that goes back a long way, Jennifer. Hush. Hush. All that stuff. Goes back to with blood. It was just. This tremendous. Down Your Bring Class, and and really just A. Great Racial. And that's that's what. Was So great to have you know I remember the mile race I think lady on. which second. in the eight o'clock right? Want multiple rations as she was. A good orgeon lady! Wasn't you run with? Out. Very very proud of that. Achievement with Boko choices. I own showed his talent I. I'm out on the track, which was not usually a page from the Nick Zito playbook. And so. Obviously you know missing Whitney Mary Lou she was very involved in. The horses she was actually there when birds down was old, which I thought was pretty. Interesting. But I remember actually being Saratoga Day that. Burns down Bridgestone. Sorry, debuted very. Monday day. The track was very muddy that they did you. Did you expect that? He was going to be a first winter. Did you have that in your mind when you put them? You know what he was one of the few. That you get. That you could tell it was just a wonderful. Just put together, so but his. You know his workouts. What really tremendous and I thought he could you know I? Don't run billy? Really well I mean you know I. especially for us, but if you're that we've had they're all great losses great. I have one class your grandparents. Came over. The. First Time. On your. Fingers but yeah he's workouts. was a special day because. That was with him day, you believe. When he broke his way. At some of from I'll tell you what they were. Susan Lucci. I believe it was George, so I mean ever. Girlfriends. I remember I'm missing one, but those are treated I. Remember Our and Mary, and that was with me, so that was a wonderful. Day. Austin, talk! About History Rakish. With. Iraq's, isn't it? Yeah, nothing nothing wrong with that right? So we you know he went on. You know any he. He raced in the hopeful that year and and I was actually. I know he had a rough trip in that that race right, but there was a loaded field as well. There's some really good horses in there. They were Wagon Chapel Royal. Lime House that was a that was a standout field narrate. I shouldn't marry those one of the few types of A. Or I think I was with her. I say on and off. One. There I I ran out a two year old something for her and then. Mr Your to by I got off. I trained for a for over twenty years. So you know she was a great owner, but I mean that was a few times. She was a little longer, but. The hope I know she just. I think it was product to careful. Because Broken Lane show easy as you know. Wherever track was saying. On your broke his main, so we. Out of a little too easy the whole. And you could see what he did in his next race, so that was pretty cool. Again. The Champagne Chapel royal was in their read the footnotes. A pretty good horse was in there as well. Yeah yeah, check and see how he rebounded shopping. And I. was yesterday. We're on the. Phone you know on stage. or The trophy. And they have summarily. Loved it when she said that because that was an easy call for me. Yeah, that sounds good because. He was very small. Very put together beautifully. To. Put together beautifully. Anyway. great bodies. People is if you look at work, but he was just put together just just right. Any case Because, the couples in California that year to year old, greatest up. So you know, she has a dull. AM. Thank God because it was easy for England. What the? Water was debris Breeders Cup. and. You know you. Can tell us a two year, olds. If they run our you know. Listen you. Break your maintenance charito. You know you're that's good. You will run. You know you're. You're right. You're right? That's awesome. That's from that school where you know. Let's just Don t sources so I was really about that because. I thought that was the way to go I'm. It worked out because? Dog Credit. You know she got a classic winner. Travis Winter! And that's all. That's all town so. I know one thing. If you said well Mary Lou, you could win the Euro Cup. or You. Borrow the travis she. Song right yeah. I'm glad you. Oh sorry go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. I'm glad you brought up that rest because I was looking at that and it really struck me as kind of. Old School, not only not going to the Breeders Cup. But when you brought birds, don't back. It wasn't like the the Holy Bowl. The Fountain of Youth That was on an allowance race right four months later. No sense in the horse. Let's let's let's get a race into him, but you know he can be fit training, but then there's being fit race wise and it really to me. I think pretty old school to pick an allowance race, and not going to one of those prep sticks at that point. Because they'll look at the people I was working right I wish. I wish she was. I wish it had horses firm. Now you're. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean on other John. Doesn't very good job. You came in. You know business true. Obviously, he's done a good job. You know being A. And being shot. Joe! But those are the People Johnson family. Those are the people you WanNa work for because. They know that's that's introduced. Today. It's I. Mean it's it's all different. Approach. Right out of the gate and next thing you know you're running mystery, I said race or whatever? But those are the ones. Here's one that you know she she believed. Would you just. Bring the horseback slowly. The one that wanted us go rediscovered which was. which was great? And They reward. I'm glad she got rewarded I'm glad I was. Thinking about that. That's one of maybe one of the best moves I'm reading this off because I might be one of the best mls in racing I mean when you think about it. So she makes this call. Let's let's give them a chance. Elephant everything. California, not knock them out or whatever we bring them back slowly when we we'll get into that race do that. I'm so happy for her. Get rewarded. Bruce Stone second stop on his three year old journey. Took Place Turf Way Park, stepping up from his comeback allowance race to what was then called Elaine's N. stakes, a race to for birdsongs connections was a total. Throw out. As. was his subsequent effort a sloppy track Derby by undefeated Smarty Jones. which led some to question is entry in the Belmont, but talk about that turf way rates for for a minute because I remember I told you. This I was watching on TV and and I want to say it was between the time. The horses let into the Paddock and the start of the race. They decide to seal the track because of a Ching Storm. Wasn't even. And? You were not happy about that when they. Thing she didn't like to run on shield tracks. Okay, those she was very bad for the losses. Are Not too well. Travis try on that. But the interesting thing was yes. She didn't like that and I I. Sit all look at here and we ran it and. Bellies credit to be city hated the. A little too like you said sounds really really upset about that. You know look at this. Yeah, I just couldn't leave. The could leave him like mud. In Five, but You know it was one of you. Go ahead and. So then you come into the Derby and then of course you hit a pain and every wet track is different right now you're now. You're on a sloppy track and when you watch the replay. He Really Kinda bounced around in steadied pretty early and then Edgar I, think had to Edgar was riding on product, and you had to kind of use them probably a bit more the first time down the stretch, the intended just to kind of get out of the traffic trouble. He was in right. Good analysis. Anyway I'll. Did you see! How far he got beat. Yes sir, how? How? How? You be I'll tell you about. Ten lengths I. Think. There's been nine right or something like that whole. So. Long Ledge number. was that on the host. You said When. Everybody thought it was over. You know like you shouldn't even run against Marta. John said he didn't get the. Ot last or something know twenty nine last, she got be nine. You know that's how. Tom Durkin. When he did. Trump I'm friendly with Tom. We WanNa go WHO's interviewing. Virgin. It was like how like. You, don't they? Thought was a guarantee. And like we're only just running like you know. BE On a wider. Scratch your time. That's how that's how. That's how out of it they weren't I mean. He was you didn't mean anything you know. Tom didn't mean anything You know derogatory or anything back. Long every room. While you guys are? You know whatever can. Scratch. Those remember that day in that race are sharply divided us to one unfolded on the track that day. I found Knicks thoughts and perspective on how the race unfolded in the key factors in its outcome interesting. Too I really think that chapter was treated unfairly. Still Elliott wanted to. Go ahead. I'll tell you why because. Birds Credit on to marry credit. Was a sure winner. Smarty Jones a short triple crown winner. Going on a quarter to Belmont is a mile and a half. He had all lands coming for home or imprompt by fallen. USA! Today. All, IN-BETWEEN A, middle age or whatever. Any kind of rich. Grade One. Would you take a Orlet lead? Common calm and the stretch today they would. Any. Right. So last eighth of a mile. Quarter of. Eight the especially. When birds don't want. It watching. They. Flying job was not a mile. There's way perched on laws. It was a true. Pedigree out of them to. Dominate was a classic winner. Proven in drivers. Right after that. We'll talk about that, but the interesting thing was that Dr doing all I mean. He had a four one lead. He just wasn't. Airforce Birch don't want this dominant his degree you know. One out. In the end, this is not to take away anything from. Bridgestone certainly wouldn't want you to. But Do. You think one of the things that I was standing at the top of the stretch. Just just throw this in there I. Remember watching when they went by at the top of the thought what we are going to see the triple crown winner then of course I look at the video board. Oh my God, but Do you think that the riding tactics on Eddington and rock hard ten softened smart up at day. Do you think if? Those two who out. That obviously you do your history. Obviously it's. Like what you do, You know your history like. What happened is. Know. I'm not talking. The history fell asleep. Ask Him Long. Ago He used to work in the library. You believe in, don't look back. Fifty forty five years ago. What forty five for sure. What Happened was. You're flying about that. Any backward tended to talk. A little bit. But again he had phone lines coming from all of them level. I'm hard, they question. If he had that instrument. Lots of big league. When you believe me how many races you watch great one that the wash. How many unless he's. Charlotte are. American Farrell from bathroom, so I mean, how many have that kind of? Race. I mean. You. Know A. Glad that you know. I don't I. Don't think you have that much. I'm sure that's my. Opinion. I don't think he would have had that kind of lead. Come to the top of the stretch if he was if he was really. Pressured if you know what I'm saying, just an. Eighth of a mile from our. We just went by just caught up with him. Well. Nicotine I went back, and I looked at the French. Because I remember standing on the apron that day and thinking they're going really fast, but when I looked at the fractions, it forty, eight, one twelve, which is. You know. It's not secretary at Reagan one. Oh nine and four or anything like that, and to your point he he put them away actually fairly easily. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think it's a case actually. The breeding just caught up with him at that point right I think we ask question. What was the half mile? Forty eight. Yeah Forty, eight, forty eight, and maybe think in and I think maybe one twelve and one, or so for the first three quarters you know. Now we lost. We Lost Belmont. Head restrict the Golden, nineteen. Ninety one I think. Kind didn't give out shot I. Don't think you'd like them that. Much at the time Christmas. Kinda went in and around I duNno, wherever it is the out of stock a little bitty. Tremendous race really had a good ride. I just fractions with faster if you know what I'm saying Yup, no. Change. We ought so. That's why my opinion I don't. Know I I actually. Had To. In going back and looking at it I realized that you know what the fractions were not he was being pressed uncharacteristically so by a couple of horses who weren't really speed horses, but it wasn't. They weren't burning. You know it just. I think you're right. I think I. Think Bird Stones Breeding showed and I think Smarty Jones is breeding caught up with them. Basically is is what happened there so great? Now you're staying in the in the grandstand day with Mary Lou at what point did you think to yourself? Hey, we gotta shot at this thing. Well, so I was watching in the box, and and who's yeah, when when founder and made the call that. was. Is Great Back, but you know. Racist you could see. and. He ran well to but I. I I had the top of the stretch one time, Dirk and said he was ruling. I Stephen. And he got into second around the term. I was very happy. Very happy but. Really didn't know bill until the last mile. Okay. Because I. He that such a lead. Place but But I was happy because he got it and he just kept doing it. So. That was that was. It? Division that. In that last eighth. If you would. Stop them at the Eighth Pole. SMART? He's still like a winner shortening up, but still a winner, but then it changed. Just like that and all of a sudden like I said I was standing there on the Apron I looked up at the board was like Oh my God? You know it's he's done. you know here comes here comes at thirty six to one. We talked about how in an instant the roar of the crowd turned to silence I was interested to hear from Nick about what the Bridgestone parties experience was immediately after the race and I was impressed by how the owners of Smarty Jones the Chapman's and trainer John Service handled the bitter pill of defeat. They had to swallow that day. So we talked about it and I will never forget. The way. I mean I will never get the roar of the crowd at the top of the stretch, and then I'll I'll never forget. The curtain of silence dropped over play. It was. IRIE almost no. I guess. Did you see the Chapman's? Or did you see John Service you as? Oh. Yeah, she was very great. She was a nice lady. I gotTa tell you something You on service I. Don't think trainer. Could ever duplicate a what happened. After that race. 'cause I, want all the John Very sorry, and so, what are you, sir? You did a good job. Now that's that's a really classy think. Trina was going for triple crown. What are you sorry about? You did admit jock great. I'm thinking of that so that's a very very very very. thing that I. I I've said it. A couple of times I've never seen it whenever you know. I've never been brought off the Dallas pretty darn good. Classic know that that that is that was. She was amazing chapel. She was amazing. This the Chapman was on ventilator I believe. Very. Years Overseas Travelers Gracious. Happy for anywhere, and it's really nice to hear about how classy the Mrs Chapman and drawn servicewear and that that's. That's hard. It was indeed an unforgettable day, and for those of US would follow narrows advised to avoid traffic jams and use the long island railroad. It became unforgettable for other reasons as well. Well, you know I told you. I was going to tell you a little bit about what happened after the race. I was there with my son in law. My son and The? Niagara had been encouraging people to take the train out to Belmont all day because they knew there was to be a big crowd. But what they? What the Long Island Railroad did not do as it turned out. Was it just there Saturday schedule going back into the city so? You had. You know who knows how many tens of thousands of people all trying to get on these trains, we. You know that platform that's at the end of the grandstand that leads over to the long. I don't even know if it's they are now, but you know. Obviously it was at the time that was we stood. Cheek job with people for. Two Hours And the crowd Nikki I'll tell you. The crowd was drunk and angry. It was it was like the circle of hell on. It was It was it was. Pretty scary but. Look at you know it was. It was one of those days. Where you you. You wanted to be there and you know. Everybody wanted to be there and see something happen. You know it didn't happen, and no, it was It was hard for some people to take. That show. You know that's that's something. I wish more people. Talk about that. You know that. Experience, you had wow, it was so. Scary I honestly was scary a few times at one point. I took my son, my son and we. Moved ourselves over to the railing, which was about fifteen feet off the platforms about fifteen feet off the ground. I would say leading over to the train station and it was. There were fights breaking out all over the place and I said to. The two of them. It really gets bad here. We're jumping off and we're. We're GONNA hit the ground I. don't care if we break a leg because this is, this is getting crazy and I met. I mean I. I really meant My mother-in-law still talks about this as like. I can't believe you thought it was. It was bad. Personal travails aside Nick and Mary Lou set. There is next on the Midsummer Derby. The travers stakes Lou's adopted hometown of Saratoga, springs. Let's talk about celebrating here so you know you you. You WanNa Belmont. Now you know leading up to the travelers I. You gave us another risk. Think birds don't benefited from rest, generally a sponsor. Right. Wasn't. That was the would. No, you know. They said I think it was the first one on the train. have done it since then but. You'RE NOT GIVING THEM A. Run Right in the Belmont I'm reading the. Tamala half all of. CHARITO got the. Track was very good to train track. It was gonna be you know great for that? And also. Worked out. Yeah you. You ran over the training track which I think you know. I think most people promptly. No I think it's still is to this day. It's a it's a deeper track, right? It's more demanding tracks ultra. Yeah, we work over. That is is is demanding, and it's. It's going to help prepping for for the travelers now. You know. We talked about the end of the Belmont being kind of. Stormy in terms of the atmosphere, but travers day was actually a very stormy day weather, wise, right, and I think they. They actually moved post. Time up a little bit right for the travers. because. Well. Because? You, ever seen the natural baseball moving. Exactly like that I. mean it gets so. lightbulbs there you look at the coverage on ESPN you won't. Believe it and. It, just rained like crazy, but We all went down here. We were saying. As, we said. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable and she was so you know married Louis Chauffeur. All, so other been John Everybody was. Sports. Varian show the trophy asked. Barry Schwartz with chairman. And it was great. It was a fantastic day and. All over the place I mean. Show hot of rain that people could not even get your cars. And the lightning was like the natural like a movie. You couldn't believe very spiritual. Very spiritual you actually ran one to in the in the travers right? Yeah, we had a wonderful call the cliff edge. Gorgeous animal just majestic. Jessica. Anybody ever seen. Justin. Burleson was retired to stud duty after Travis Triumph and managed to throw off a couple of good runners early and start career. He continues to reside in the Stallion Barn at gains, way farm in the heart of the BLUEGRASS. Then you re burst on was retired after that and brimstone had a pretty good stud career early essentially early on right My Bird Yet Right. Those. Those. How. Many horses have those kind of losses when Derby on? You know jockey goal. Bird. Office. And of course there's no more proper way to in this special podcast edition, then reflecting on the life of Knicks end and Grande Dame of Saratoga. Mary Lou Whitney so nick just. You've been very generous with your time. I appreciate it at Suon. Wrap up You know she died. Obviously you know last year and there were a lot of. Deserved encomium and praise. Thrown it misses Whitney everything she did. You know she was involved in in so many many many charitable ventures whether it's hospitals museums. National Museum of Dan's what you did for backstretch workers. You just talk about the influence that she had on you and your relationship with her. She's A. Rate Great Lady got into the Hall of fame of towns and five I. In my speech I looked over to inside at her, and she was a great, just great. Thing I liked about her shoes. Most people saw her. You know the socialite. To now, but that's what. Mature because my God she. Stormy for in the palm, really really her. And rightfully, so. Four with town and. She was a you couldn't. Really, I. Really liked her. Joey Votto, thank privilege with. Have a church service bill Once year. watch it once. Once a Saratoga she didn't have you know one one time. Team right all the friends and was so many. Influential people regular. Jockey on. Whatever it was just beautiful service to. And then we gather together and have lunch or whatever but. It's well documented. She's on so many things for the bachelor. That's workers. She loved you know. I've number. Anywhere? In underpants. Building this. Call gave the money to build. A a a big building. They'll have to have this. Rush Girls. They'll have a better, you know. That was at a time with a with the. Lady and A great show privileged to Nah I really really miss her question. In fact, I sign off for this season. Contemplate Season Five, beginning this fall I am determined that we will devote one entire podcast to the life story of the remarkable Mary Lou Whitney as I said this will be the last podcast for this special season I. Think each and every one of you for joining me and I. Hope you will join me again. This fall for more history handicapping in humor, regarding our great sport horse racing, and of course made the horse be with you.

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The Collection Obsession Part 3: Quantum Zone Episode #55

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The Collection Obsession Part 3: Quantum Zone Episode #55

"Desert aged is brought to you by tweet thawed. Awesome headphones that audio dot com and use coupons in Southgate thirty percent off recent thing in a lifetime warranty or it can get there through the link on our website Southgate, either group dot com. What about our quasar podcasts the quantum zone quays? Quays? Volley? The verse man ever. On our way. Hello and welcome to the quantum zone. Episode. Fifty five I can't five fifty five. I am Bill. Joining me as always master the quantum zone. I am will everyone if I would have been a little quicker on the button, interrupting his his job would've been. Master of late zone. Extra time preparing for this. Collectors obsession. I was collecting comic books and then eating Indian food and upset timer. It. I was. It was a double disaster aiding. Yeah. Well, four we get two vendors three thirty six I thought of bringing up the you guys look at that. When sent the other day. About the ANC feeders. Oh, yes. It's not official but supposedly somewhere on their website. They have vendors endgame listed in the habit at three hours in two minutes. Massive figure. That's just the movie that doesn't count trailers beforehand. The the in credit s-. Craig that's included. But yeah, but not none of the travel beforehand thinking your butts in the chair at least three and a half hours unless you go to the bathroom, midway. Don't get a large soda, even if it has a commemorative cop. I'm busy. I'm not eating. Wow. You send another link to that had Grunwald. I hadn't got to read all the way through it yet about Jon Stewart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was it a he? No was it like a fan magazine or something. But these thing in like they were listed something about Justice league story in he in he called John Stewart Greenland off lack Lancer. Wasn't his name. So even all got them wrong. Every once in a while. But this is like the air of like panther black lie. Yeah. Yeah. Also trailer news, I went to see the movie off this week in a joint. It actually kinda get it was a horror movie, if you're not familiar big hit a lot of people thought he got got some Infinity war type of from it though. Just because there was Donald gangsters threat of takeover for the real deal. But I also was subjected again, my will the end game trailer. Aw. I couldn't leave or put my fingers in my ears. So did you see the scene at the end of it with four? Yeah. Yeah. After marble. Yeah. I like this one. Pretty cool. You know, why she's afraid of him? Right. Because you never ends for the head. Yeah. And when I was digging through I I made a trip if you're in the northern Massachusetts area, and you go to Harrison's comics in Salem, there's lot of quasar in the dollar Ben in even though I in the job is huge. I didn't even look through it all because they closed at seven in the kick me out. I found something I have this. But I bought it again, the marvel age with a preview quasar nice. Yep. Cool. Yeah. Going to smarter this weekend. She looked for that issue. Some of you other issues because scheduling notes, I was reading head Trappist including Cozma's than are some of the Infinity gauntlet issues we hadn't Finnity gauntlet six on the list that meanwhile, quitter in gauntlet six only in one panel, and he has no dialogue. So like take that off the list. And then we then we decided we're going to have this limit on down the road. You're gonna have a special episode between when we do quiz thirty and thirty one we're gonna do a special on the whole star brand series. We I'm actually meant to ask you about that star brand ran what like eleven issues or sixteen issues. Railing twenty Sunday. Didn't it? I have the first ten or twelve minute train them. Let's say I'd have to look for the future issues later on. But the new universe. Kind of was wrapped up a by. There was the pit the drafts it in the war. And I think the war was a four issue series. Kind of was the last thing ever published the longest running was Justice in DP seven. I think I gotta take me way back. I the back and look at this already D seven win about thirty to thirty two. Yeah. I think it went thirty two. I look Storebrand the Wikipedia the first seven issues it was monthly then monthly for issues. Eight nineteen nineteen okay. You will. Yes, I was gonna say let's nineteen issues and one annual so and I don't I haven't around here somewhere. But there was a a star brand quasar marvel reprint that had both issues in it like ten years ago. It was weird Dr brand number one in quasar number one marvel I'll as we work through the issue, I'll find or name of it. So yes, the quick between quasar thirty thirty one. We will give you a special episode probably the biggest thing we've ever attempted. Where Rio were we'll we'll do a broad overview the whole Storebrand series. I also found this at the comic shop today. Untold tales of the new universe are grand number one. It's just a one off also John Ramirez junior cover on the front of that. Yes. It is that he did. He did a lot of the original issues orient looks pretty awesome. But yeah, I think I mean, none of us have the complete set of all the issues. I mean, I'll try my hardest. But I mean, I think the three of us. We probably have read the whole series. Yeah. Yeah. I saw I keep seeing them in in the bans in I I have number one, and I can easily acquire a I don't know if I'll get all nineteen, but I could get some I called marvel milestones star band and quasar. And it's cover. I don't have it here. But we look it up on Thomas dot org. If you wanted to it. But if basically the cover star brand number one, but it reprints both star brand number one and quasar number one. I thought was a weird pairing. Yeah. Because why he visited it before? He'd I I don't know. But yeah, like, I said if you can't find a single issue. I know I have the trade downstairs, it's the first ten or twelve issues something like that. Here. I wanna plan a little worm in your guys heads here. Think about the the new universe. As valiant dot one move. Oof. Really kind of what it turned out to be. I mean, you look star brand is basically solar you have eternal warrior, which can met to not see the like Justice is it has a lot of the same especially around solar and star brain, you know, flying in the way, they manipulate things sin. Always toyed with this series of articles called failed universes. All do it. Because there's a lot of failed universes out there. I like it. Oh, and when you guys are looking for marvel ages. Yes. Number ninety has the marks remarks where he does the plot analysis of quasar number eleven. Yeah. It's that's one of my I always look for that. I have a list of marvel ages, but I feel like that one's tougher to find. Because I think there's something Spiderman related on the cover that makes it rare in its. Very frustrating. But yeah. I'm in the market, Florida. Gosh, we're so ear to talk about this vendors issue. Aren't we? To get to it. Remorse. It's Cozma's white. Only there's only five of them because there's one two three four four and six. Yeah. We're talking about our collectors obsessions initiative. It's it's Todd McFarlane Spiderman cover for ninety with an interview with Jim Lee about X men. So it averages about eight dollars on like allowed aren't dot com. I will I'll keep on the lookout for it too. Because this is a five page preview of the Spiderman mcfarland's vitamin. But I'm going to Connex Saturday. That's all been. So I'm going to get my hands dirty gonna give you shit this weekend. So when I come home with a stack Amar waves out they could be like it was a little amounts. Can blame us. Yeah. She didn't think some of them the real damn real cheap, cheap in some places places not so much. All right. So we're gonna jump into this, Stu it go, you this bang harake. Avengers three thirty sixty collection obsession, part three double disaster because we get a picture of those storylines on the cover and head still cover box. Thought maybe I r- because return to the cover box and the know hurt them off. Yeah. He seems pretty happy about it. That look smile on his face. It's a pretty good cover though. I mean, Ron Lim. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Unlike the Hercules is like Ashurst up in the corner box with me Capri sun behind me on the cover. Good. Least is being attacked a weird octopus from another galaxy than quantum chemical thing. Oh. Was that I will or will over. All right. So begin within actor sitting on his throne about the title. Not my job. All right. So he's going on the ours. Come right people, the long nightmare ended this day. The brethren regain our honored come title for here. We make our stand. With his hand outstretched. On that civil born well-spoken, my Lord, Saint actor and well-made his world tremble at are coming for. Did we not once lay wait a thousand thousand worlds, so what's at two thousand? And they says in vedic did sooner warriors will shrink the death. Flood of this greenwash planet in ice out dance on the white bleached bones of poor poor humanity. So these these people have a starter because you said thousand worlds were poor. It's a tale of battle in theory by Bob, Harris writer, Steve editing, pencil. I believe doesn't it isn't the whole issues at thing. I think it is time. Yeah. I think so unless couple pays less to my different. Tom Palmer inker Bob Oatley, Lederer Christie, Sheely colours throughout Maccioni editor and Tom the felt co editor in chief. Yeah. I like the art already better in this one with the prince job. I don't know if it's the same in years. It's blurry and some pages relied on others. But I don't know what it will just. Yes. Acting in most the art for one thing credit went inker about one of his different actors and stuff. All right. So we see second page the World Trade Center on the World Trade Center, lower Manhattan. Once the tallest building in the world. Not much of notice has happened there late until today when the very molecules in the clothes, the mentions work and rent in once or once stood to rather innocuous towers, stands the Sydow vein xer and yet being. Metal building appears top powers and people in the ground. Or like what the heck is that? It's me, then we get his what whole graphic facing sky Karen's for three days. I tested your medal defenses in I found them wanting my people one sale the star way seeking glory power legends told of are coming, but our noble vibrant, race was robbed the word dignity and our destiny by uncaring fates. But now he claimed that Gloria neck destiny again this day is constant it is constant of the universe that the week must all before the strong us. I claim this world for the brethren. Then some guys noble, oh, boy is like the troop start teleporting in. And they're big. What are they like twelve feet tall? Fifteen feet tall. What are these some kinda like transformers? Checkup YouTube channel. Conan. I. So yet the couple poured into needs to start blasting people engage in a stabbing citadel offensive Pramod IRS alternative forms must be Radicati from this sector. So orders thing at there. Sands earlier uptown in vendors mansion in the call reverts mighties heroes. We see cap he got some banded ribs. Seen a call from H W Bush himself Borna Massachusetts. We won't hold that against them. The nineteen ninety one is is as you can see captain America all efforts repulsed these brethren have met with worldwide failure. And that's very bad. This pusher. Dana Carvey, doing his, George, maybe. Very bad. There's more of the cross reference the dates of some certain things, but yet we'll get to it in the next panel. And Kemp says our own encounters within Eker haven't exactly been stellar performances, sir. Yeah. Reds George Bush is but iron facing you cap. This theme Hella in his aggression cannot stand immortalized in the big lebowski disaggregation will not offend. Dry, man. I ride really tied that room together. What did you tell me could make editors? Children high alert all the armed forces on the highest standby, but we're gonna going to need you super guys. New adventures cap says contacted the vendors west Mr President some are already in New York fantastic for doing all they can. We also have vendors on the moon checking into the brethren origin. We may weren't something up there. We can use. You know, what going to bring this up trying to bring this up one day on keep forgetting, you know, why they changed the name 'cause the ventures to vendors less. Why? Guess out of still do, but I guess back in the day on his was looking newsstand thing or that the direct market, but they would put the books on the shelf like an L medical water swan coz, the vendors the vendors of west coast vendors were like an off it ends of the store from each other. So you change it to vendors toes, boom, right next to each other smart marketing move more units. That's right. Oh, where are the x men? The fantastic four. Will you fantastic Ford Kim, but we never see them. Simferopol? Would force good. Our report to the cabinet. I'm glad you're recovering. So well, cap galas all scare that that thing guy could alert Hercules Handel athlete. It in the hostile myself. No fun. A says, no, sir. Contact us this evening for an update and sitting in a chair while avengers. Now, I'm wondering if this hospital stay was after he got food poisoning in Japan, vomited number that big story too. Yeah. Ana world leader. Hi, remember that? Yes. That's right. It's recap. You try to try vomiting on the enemy or. Ask potato. But yeah, caps bol- vendors that we see behind them all of a sudden the black knights plaque widow, Hercules, ironman vision and rage hearings. See black might say I see God here. Just in time cap, whatever might evidence sword, and I could do to help you just gotta ass and cap, thanks for responding my subsequent black Knight. It's good to have you back. I think that stays until like was it like three seventy five. Oh, yeah. That he faced for a long time that the ah. Of vendors leather jacket era. Yeah. Yeah. Cap you to iron man, we need the expertise of one of the original vendors in this fight. Is arm as start seeing claim these started gang for while. He was like after armor wars, not much know, I'm new I don't stakes that old guy. You know? I'm yet. Flu that water is doubled hunting significant growing significant. Few panels. Arman, says hey, I was missing the began winning cap, but how are you feeling old friend as covering show head which is more could be said of most of things victims battle ahead of us fighting a menace. We don't understand who savagery gives him an undeniable edge a workbenches for reason because we believed that no being no matter. How powerful has the right to threaten the lives. Liberty of humanity actors, no different and we see a more age appropriate rendering. Peggy Carter come on stream students pigging quarter here. This is it actors appeared at the Trade Center is trooper vaunting and major campaign. He says you heard the vendors. I wish I could be out there with you. Good luck. I don't know. I knows injured but cap last couple ARC's CHAI like found, you know, member with the Tetrarch seeing. Yeah. Found the way to kinda miss that battle and how he's missing this panel. Says always to be the review good luck in guess, black widows steam behind this theme when he says Putin cauti-, not you'll they also serve who only stand in weight speech. Not now. Would it be Greta quasar was there fighting sorry? Oh, but will busy because turn a page and on the moon. Three miniaturized the vendors an equally the miniature give elder of the universe. Have begun inquest over the origins of thing at they're not been the most auspice of beginnings as we see as Matt point on the cover Knox's sparkly on tentacles. Piece. Go panther for the love of Mike. What? Panthers saying I'm trying these his war Moussavian pair medium, or whatever it's called as other areas. It's merely hungry vendors really collector says if not the panic as he gets grab as Odier Odio. Got have kind of like spaced out grandpa or something. He's really acted weird. Wonder fish anything to that? Arsons guys decided to have the collector appetizer in each. I'm out as well. We can't have out with our without our befuddled friend. We'd never find a way out of this in recollect zoo. So one here pseudo X men of injured the rescue eighty Lance on the tentacle was oops, so much dramatic pronouncements this creature seems made of glue. I suddenly find myself empathizing within Arthur arthropods who's just entered Roach hotel. Anquetil says don't worry these his quasars fabulous corner bans rake behind us. He's zapping. He says bless you. My son. All land in a quote, he's bringing the collector down there. You are serve safe. And sound collector young man, what were you thinking? I truly hope you do not the injure that creature. It's quite rare you now in beast would have been extinct quiz had an intervened, and he says, oh poo and costume is wrong again. Oh, yeah. Has yellow trunks on all of a sudden. Maybe he was just really scared. The blue belly. Maybe he's trying to watch a three hour minute movie. Soda. The collector. I am something to share with you for eons inquisitors, wait who what? We're gonna call him. I rhys. That's on believable who corny wrist. I studied the specimens in the menagerie, but always from a distance through the sanitize screens by Magnus copes. I've never really seen them up close never smell their fetid odors, nor even touch their flesh soul, exhilarating. Backout in the in the rest of the ship at regular size. Hank Pym, new vendors come in these Detroit, anybody what quasars anybody is respond is thinking, I don't like this running in the collectors miniaturized. The vary is acting to enter entering Alice's wonderland. More knows to nap enough as our way forms from all over the galaxy. Please them on the ship at each of these receptacles in the walls taming different alien ecosystem and knock careful that could get lost in the grid and never finding way out and be says, Hank it's the beast. The don't you go worrying hair? Very stress, my friend. So we'll send beast is like has like a southern acts. One second. It's like, you know words in all sudden, he's. Ball hog or something? Yeah. So he's like. Don't you? Go you go worrying hang we all here. Enhances of course, strips one. Hank says the other hang, of course. I'm stressed Hank. I'm stand the wait a minute. You can see me. He says turnaround mine phone. Knows German, and we see Hank pins. John is staring in. And the tracks. He says salutation that anyone ever tell you that you have much heavenly blue eyes. Look at the collector, just fitness. Not we heard. Our remember he's doing a good job. End Black Panther. That's no beast hang. 'cause we feared this is not the receptacle from which the brethren escaped partying countered this tank. Single white form and Pimm says single I wanna be too sure that the Challah look behind you in see streams look in Crozon. Yeah. Did the guy co guys crush show? Bob. Yup. Rights. Calls for the only Simpson's shop I have. They say you trespass on our land strange ones in the beast amazing. Collectors universal translators operating us promised plot device. Panther. Forgive us. We are on a journey. A quest we seek answers about a man perhaps you heard of him is called Thane actor, and because the leader says they nectar he came here years ago killed are people are women and children are old ones. No good comes of seeking this man to strangers need be says moved Challah next time worth leave the plume ac- to me, and as they're about to be a coke for dinner and honorable quantum bubble. Quantum bubble shrew in on earth, specifically, lower Manhattan. Giant brethren soldiers firing on whoever behold, brethren ineffectual parents known of the vendors yet as quasar as there have they come to case the feet yet again and iron man flying in the valves of come on guys. Maybe news. There's no rusin though, insult us. Rage. You tell them sell head. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't they just meat? He's already use in terms of German in exactly. The handbook trying to fit in. Tell them sell head think they're so high and mighty card. We've been hit hard at times. Let me show what rage can do with the when he's mad and he puts his hand on one of the soldiers backs in the soldiers backhands rage away way for me middleman. Backhands the some with. Cre cash and Turkey four stripe. Ling the impeaches of youth. Shelby by undoing. He. No, you got it bad. When it Hercules is telling you your patience. Yeah. Army-inspired? Awesome. Repulsive, Dane, why don't you take the bozo? In the less than the black knights says. My pleasure iron is our porn on a sword. Now, we'll see how your alien technology stands up through the enchanted steel of Merlin himself and one of the soldiers says you speak gibberish avenger, and thus you fail and as the black Knight guesses, a Z electrocuting him or something. Get our. Unless when of thin actors minions has quantum bands is kind of yet. Reffed up in yellow and Iran, again vision look outs and visit takes hits and iron, man. Too late this to be my lucky day. My repulse are raised seem that be having some offense until two large soldiers. Come over grab iron man, one has his head in his leg. You know? One grabs him around the waist only a small one armored one we can adjust Nardin. Whoa. And I guess they got army on the ground than the hitting or something. They said pay back and forth, the full shoot or the shoot at him on a. Yeah. I think I thought that maybe the drop the car on him or something I really see any motion marks in the car. But it just this got hold on ground. It's behind the car tax. He's kinda the views kind of blocked by the front end is like a green Mustang. We see him amongst the rubble in the rocks later the next page. Remedium four year people. When we see Hercules, they're gonna Brummel I see the none may best the friends of Hercules lives and see the troops are blasting her lease across the centuries. Many of those the us in time all came to the cry. They're empty words, and they're lifting off the ground us. No, not yet understand. We are the brethren is our destiny honcker all the worlds of this galaxy on many tribe altered Vance, none have succeeded. Why should you raise many different as a truck the crowns, you shall fall? You shall Paul? They let him fall. Own your world and the brethren schaus spread throughout the cosmos. It is written in the stars. We need proceed with parental. They mean perimeter there. That's why I think maybe proceed with Ramadorai established. Hey, they've been locked up for five thousand years every cavalier. Not so good move. In iron man's laying there aground definitely not one of our veterans as got warn cap. We blew it. And I guess in the brethren citadels insane Eker off his off room. And so they fall again. And yet they refused the surrender. They are stubborn lot of grant than that. They are determined to Stopford Vance that I will die trying when time cut in his look in his Batman helmet. On her. When the time comes I will make certain they have honorable deaths and the eating the fine. Much to admire news of injures civil born. It is you alone. Who deserves admiration who else could have delivered us from the horror of the collectors zoo. But you might truth is it is not a things Judy to lead civil born. And our people are meant for the stars. Isn't that what the wedge and say wasn't possible for greatness such as ours to stay imprisoned under glass like the years of microbes was it? But I am worried in night my lady, and she says do think me full not like him. Do you think the whole you go to her the Terron, which we captured in the city, cold Paris? Why does she fascinate you? She is not one of us. Maybe that's why. Thing for people to consort with outsiders. It's disgusting oriented brethren grumble with the scandal. Navy's pres like the Prince Charles of the brethren. Have a care civil Doorns. None may question my accent's than you. And she says she has the which at is the only explanation sane would have letting lower form of life like her live yet, you treat her like one of us. Why answer? When the full jumps down like you'd lady did not let Saint Ecker's unconventional behavior frighten you it's saddens. The forests near beauty marred by concern. Oh, even little crush. States. Now, we own we have only lately regained our freedom and faith read hard shifts since why think of the whores we would have phased if we were marooned on that sterile moon in makes me shudder. So, but they nectar is let us sure and true since my Lord things only the good for all of us is practice may be unorthodox that his heart as the out to the brethren as yours this promise this. I swear he starts kicked. Do this other another issue start Yanic laugh issue? What care I for your promises little creature? You're only his full nothing more nothing less kicking them full says, but is wise sometimes listen to the foolish than a line between the and the wise man to be short one in eve. And in another part of the ma'am citadel. Chamber of what the injured called, sir? See is held captive in. She's trying to work on the manacles orders gonna concentrate. The molecular structure, these manacles difficult to decipher after carefully rearranged, the new arrangement the neutron there. There we go and she has crashed. Those turns them the roses or something. But then note reverted to its original forum, and he said in thin actor walks in you shall find the brethren or equally Hardiman the-they late lady. Serfaty says actor e think this little setback has made cow think again, my more barrack friend the adventures soon will find the way to take care of you. He says, I think not the lines streets of new Seaney utterly. Thank wish. She says you animal form them was captain America among them. And he says do I detect something more loyalty to commander here Z deserves such fidelity? I think you're concerned mass something we both felt in Paris wouldn't talking about hit your hands off me actor. He says why look at me seriously, the eternal do not see a kindred spirits it being who so burns with the same hunger for life as you being who would you made flesh by the an attic space gods called the Celeste fuels who will see Cosmas. Being you find yourself frighteningly all too attractive, all too attracted to and kiss house civil that was his tongue throat, but. And she says who are you is a rival a suitor and number perhaps good night. Ladies. Every go. I mean, I mean locked up your five thousand years. No conjugal visits. So Edgar walk down the hall in the full says you get to her. This is the pastas. I am the one chosen the go mad. Not you in Thane says send sacred histories to her. I would have no our exploits in full compressor. My Lord, you court disaster. Too often. I you kept us in fat on that fair and moon, and now this she is an internal apprised devalued by any warrior in her beauty and the fool shoots it some kind of blast from his head. She's not one of us will see hit the ground ARD and never can be. We are alone in the cosmos and Phoenix or my brain on fire or one Ecoles may have more sense who you can force me to kill you full says, they nectar who knows perhaps that is what I truly want to die and carry the secret of the brethren. No more. Secrets. Could that could that dirty secret be? Are eight in the collector's ship. Voice, Anna wrong, costume sill. We've trunks are blue the Eleftherios moved up above the trunk. In the collector's ship. These I think we have these examples interplanetary Neolithic development well in hand panther the panther. This one seems to be the tribes leader if I can convince him otherwise can end all this panther says listen to me this latest point was there was the hurt you or your people they nectars threatening. I world camers thought him that. She says my people there's been a misunderstanding. These strange linked to us. They too are victims of the brethren devastation and later Earl sit around the campfire. I guess it's chief we were one crowd, vibrant, people in our land green and lush than the gods who weary of us for the brethren entered our world and ravaged it ravaged it land. I the only are small tribes revive the brethren with nothing. More to take me gone. The brethren must've escaped from their own receptacle journey to the ship invading other ecosystems ring proceeded. He quasar says that some rate you collector and collector. Oh, yes. When an album the brother reffering havoc in the star system working having an stars, the mother star system, the relentless need the conquer legendary. As those only matter of time for the on the way of skip the receptacle and enter the ship support system wonder how this scape? Hanser pity the other beings in their collection who found themselves in the veterans way, a collector magin entire wrist of conquerors reduced in size, traveling through the circuitry and conduit of this ship in our modest that once crossed the stars resigned. Tune David kills vital odds is almost pathological chief vessels of the brethren came from up there from the moon the moon. Oh, then we'll certainly bent to this percents. That's all the brethern answered. And that's the way we go till we find the answers word looking for. Meanwhile, back on earth. In the marvel bullpens bulletins. Yeah. Oh, yes. Stands. There was John ramira in own. Yeah. Said. Await look down second row in the middle. The second third box. We walked. Nice. The pony to. Okay. So back on earth. The Reverend troops are running amok to more Terron skin for biological bacteria count perceived to extinguish furious. That's strange. Cops. A Joe man- move it in copses, forget it. We don't have a chance. We're dead men intil being out of nowhere. And again, just like Thane actor than he do that one of the troops catches tap shield. What is this? You survive battle thing in actor impressive. Now this neither teammates in cap. Standing on a roof with black widow the offenders on finished until the last one of us is gone now, let those men go, and here's C like this. This this page coming up, and I think the last page of the art look different than the thing. So. Again, I think so either vet something's different even if it's just like different aching or something something where the coloring something is different colors launch darker share. Yeah. And the the true point cap trooper cap shield says we do not take orders for many seats. They nectar is another one sentence is now or is by rate of conquest, and none may deny assez whips the show back. It's captured the breadbox who rightly injured ribs. That's. Blackwood into sees says, I'm fine tasha. Listen to me, I know your captivity by the collector was unjust. He had. No, right. The whole Gilad's zoo animals every raise rate every race has the secret rake the freedom taking this world is wrong can work together. The finest Lucien near problem when the polar guns. Oh, and they shoot a blam capless showed up so much for that down the kasha. All right speeds. And capsules what are you say? What else she says we are to die? Here's Steve on route a good. I'm the fending my world and hiding behind the shield of disrespectful intended. Of course, he said unpack. And let's take them on like ventures a movie in the battle. But then our vanishing captain van their banishing. But they Hannah's would us his calf, by the way, they move. I think there were surprised as we were when your voice say they'll be even worse apprise when they find themselves appear in the heart of earth's crust. Yanni turn and say who and it's crystal lockjaw in humans cap, remember them for the first issue. Applying for membership. It looks like you could need us. Next issue, muddy glory. The secret of the brethren begins one aval the girl in her mustache dog. All right. It's technically big Hawkins mustache. And we get the same ad for the BI weekly's that we got off issue. Three more three three mortars guys get the cosmos, but we have to do four twice. Then there's five there's no five five. Yeah. There's no par-five. We just have to four twice. Did it take them with the crossing line too? I think that. Yeah. I think they did do that. Yeah. There's by this biweekly summers things they can't get. They can never get the numbering rain. 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128 - The Star Wars, Part 6

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128 - The Star Wars, Part 6

"Curb Rel. Written, that is so bad. No one will fill me. These brave. PODCASTERS will bring it to life just so they can market. This is table reads so the movies comport, which means your script weren't the Buffalo Nickel? With Sean Mc be Jeff, Lewis and Joshua Baker. Part six of US star wars, and you might think that that makes it the last part and my friends. You would be so wrong. Barking got on. How many episodes was Lord of the Rings Eleven We won't beat that. No this this will be shorter than that. I expect maybe eight. If, we hit nine I'll be surprised with half as many characters. That's impressive. I, feel like Lord of the rings has far less characters than this. Let's say this is fucking. This has twice as many choices, many characters and less screen. Time is insane. Previously on table. Okay. So. There's an evil galactic kingdom, and they're trying to take over the planet Tonelli because of their advanced technology, which includes the extension of human life by two hundred years. The war for the planet lasts three hours which the evil galactic kingdom is victorious in. Despite the assurances of the Galactic King that the Royal Family would not be harmed. The Queen sends her three children off to safety with Di Warrior Luke Skywalker, and then blows herself up. skywalker is assisted by his orphaned Apprentice Justin and Captain Oxfam and Scaly Green Monster named Han Solo, plus familiar robots in his efforts to protect Princess Sarah and her two younger brothers, the latter of two who are asleep in high tech backpack with wires in their heads for some reason. Oh, and he's also transporting thirty pureed brains to pay the chrome company to protect the royal kids, and that's a whole other thing. But it turns out the chrome company hand off was a trap, and everyone is captured except Luke Han who killed twelve men in an instant by screaming and jumping on them while handcuffed. When we left off, they were attempting to find the rest of their group by instructing C. three to push some buttons. Fade in. Incredible. I didn't I was very surprised that I remembered all of that USA vaunted right through that she had love the. Walked out. This crypto does that. Electro Closet Hallway Ball Taurean, fright freighter. Captain Valor and Oxus reach a second series of electrical closets. A signal appears on the seekers and valor cuts down the door of one of the small cabinets. OXES stands guard. Approaching troops are heard in the distance. Valor quickly rummages through the electrode packs until he spots familiar case containing the two boys. Troops. Valor straps on one of the backpacks enhance the other two Oxus as they duck into a narrow passageway. Four troops marched through a nearby hallway. After, they've passed. The young captain checks to make sure the way is clear, then runs down a hallway toward the main hatch. Bridge all-terrian freighter Tonelli. As the crew makes the final preparations for the blast off the main hatch light blinks on one of the pilots notices the light and begins to check it out. As the main hatch secure. Main Hatch Waltari hurry and freighter to now. The Intercom sparce life and the general answers it. Everything looks secure but give me a minute to check it out. Our stand by. The General Wingstop Han as C. Three continues his attempt to override the hatch computer. Hallways while Taurean freighter Tonelli. Captain Valor and oxes cautiously moved down a long hallway, ever watchful of royal troops. They reach an intersection carefully. Check in all directions, then rushed down main hallway. They are about halfway down the hallway want a squad of royal guards appears at the end of the hallway facing them. The troops start toward the two captains with lowered laser rifles. Yours where it gets tricky. Valor then oxus quick and again. He's usually. Justin but now he's valor. It took me a minute to reduce. Josh caught opponent. Wait who the fuck was valor. Valour then Oxus quickly and smoothly draw their laser pistols and fire the troops. A giant explosion destroys the far end of the hallway. A, few laser bolts are returned, but streak harmlessly overhead and explode out of range. The exchange of gunfire lasts only a few moments when the smoke clears, the troops have been destroyed. Seen one hundred. Main Hatch Waltari. Taurean freighter Tonelli. The. Main hatch slowly begins to slide open when the rumbling explosion of laser fire echoes through the hallways. On looks to the general, and they both instantly realize what has happened. Han draws his weapons. The hatches now fully open. Everyone stands silently watching for the two captains. Alarm starts screaming throughout the ship, and the giant hatch slowly begins to close. Come on, we can't wait. The group reluctantly exit the spacecraft giving one last. Look back to their lost friends. The hatch continues to slowly close as the alarm sirens wail. Suddenly Valla knocks round a corner and head for the ever closing hatch battling several royal troopers as they go. On and the general move up to the hatch and give cover fire. oxes slips through the shrinking opening and yells valor hurry. Many more troops bear down on the young die. Is He squeezes through the very slim opening? One of the troops dives after him, but is caught and crushed by the emergency hatch. BOARDING RAMP! Gordon's face port to. The general leads the group through various corridors. Once the alarm sound. The entire speech port will shutdown. They stop at a junction at the far end of one hallway, several troops, guard or restricted passageway. That's the military section. Fighter craft. On My computer froze up. But it's very heavily guarded. We can't take it with. We can't take it with subtlety before the general can answer the acute scream of the space port alarm reverberates through the corridors, the general followed by his two young captains charged toward the heavily guarded military passageway. Han with the princes into robots. Follow it a safe distance behind. A guard sees them coming and orders them to stop. Captain Valor in the general fire, their laser pistols and the passageway entrance. At the best rations and the troops disappear in a huge explosion. For. Guns and they explode. Those are some serious guns. Valor the little valor boy shot within. The group, didn't he get struck down by a laser sword? I think so, but didn't end blowed up. The group jump over the dead guards and smoking rubble tha those corpses. We may need them for something. There may be Bubis. They use those corpses a lot. Then run through a series of hallways, leading to a starship. Sorry, they stop just short of an intersection leading to a boarding ramp valor peeks around a corner at two guards, standing in front of the boarding ramp. Cutters. We'll have to draw them out. A blast might oblast might alert the crew. A to come here. A little robot waddles over to the old die. Move to that intersection and sound the alarm. The Mechanical Dwarf Dutifully Marches into the intersection and lets out a high electronic scream. The guards shut off the deadly laser cutters and cautiously approached the whaling robot. What is it what's wrong? With incredible speed both guards are dropped by a few precision blows from the two young captains. They immediately dragged the unconscious guards. starship will mean the later. died. Of others the way the. Ballot Access Stan God out signal at take off minus study and reverse that KATA What the fuck is minus thirty. I don't know, but he's about in chunk of buying. I'll signal at out signal at takeoff minus thirty. MINUS THIRTY THIRTY LIKE HE MINUS THIRTY team something. Thirty Kim thirty. What Fuck you George Lucas thirty seconds thirty minutes. That I mean that's something you really want to communicate to people. Thirty seconds after I took this body out the window that'd be your sign and minus thirty electoral packs. gyro electro packs. Interior Royal Starship Tonelli on in the general followed by Zara, and the robots enter the royal starship. They rush through several narrow hallways leading to the bridge. To crew members leave. Leaving Control Station Stumble into the group and are quickly dispatched by Han. The princess weights with the robots as the general in Hon enter the bridge. The two pilots and navigator, or taken by surprise, and are promptly subdued Hans, which switches on the intercom and listens. Our we're going to. Cover. Can you read that again? You cut out. Our! We're going to give them to open the silo cover. Send C. Three in here. Dispose of any crewmen left on board. Boarding ramp? Space Port Tonelli. Valor oxus now wear the uniform of the Royal. Guard. Ox has removed a plate from the cutter mechanism and his crossing a few wires. He replaces the cutter plate just as a squad of stormtroopers rushes toward the door. An. Officer salutes them. Them No Sir. In this section somewhere and doubling all the gods stay I, Let. Voice, you should use more often. Dress up. The guards take up positions just outside the cutter areas, and the squad moves onto another starship. Valor gives his partner a philosophical look. Interior Royal Starship Tonelli. The gleaming chrome c three sits in the pilot's seat, talking on the intercom to a controller. He breaks off his continual drone of takeoff instructions to the controller and turns to the general shaking his head. They won't buy it I. think that getting suspicious Han enters. The crew was taking care of. Well the not going to open the silo cover so I'm afraid we'll have to take it with us. Going to sustain considerable damage if we blast through that coven. It's a thin shell. There's no choice. Signal the boys. Morning Ramps Spaceport Tonelli, warning lights flash in the main hatch to the starfighter slowly begins to close. The two royal stormtroopers yell at Valor and Oxus. Treasure thrown fire or knows gutters of. dzhalka. Troopers. Link up with Sean. Everybody Barks same order at the same time. It's crazy. What are they colognes? Have to say like. This is basically the. Millennium Falcon taking off from. The Mosley but six times longer. Like, there's so much going on here versus. Han running up the ramp shooting behind him and then. Jumping in his see, and then takes off and troopers are shooting at them and then. Like. There's no there's no like sense of urgency or excitement here at all. Everything is taking so long just forest ship to fly away. Right. And, he's even like politely. Communicate with the book in Traffic Controller. fucking troopers to like they did. And they explode boom dead like. An traffic controllers like well all's fair play in any way. Just let me know thirty seconds forty take. Yeah, I mean all of this is just it's it's. It's it's what we call in the film industry. Bad, just real bad. Trusting. This is bullshit. Juice Day! Have owner awards show. I mean we're. We're at one hundred episodes I feel like we have enough content in the can that we can do our new wards show. Like. The table leaves. For the worst shit, yeah, we come up with the worst name for the. Great Bucking idea. I love it. I I? And best vehicle like Oh my God i. I want the I want the Nazi tank. three-storey tank is the media popped into my head. Others though has competition. Winner is. I mean I'm sure there are other vehicles there were there were like there was stupid robot thing from the wonder woman script that monster at the very end, and she hadn't invisible jet. She did have an invisible. Don't forget that. Stupid fucking. And then there's. maximus his feet. I was thinking I was thinking. You have like dumb. Prop and maximus shield came to mind I was thinking of the Horse One guy road backwards. This is great. We're GONNA have to. Into this. You'd have to go digging into the into the into the previous episodes, and like find the clip and then like. have it like play the clip. Big Funny. It's a lot of work, but I mean. I May as well. I love this idea. All right well, we'll do that later. Now now. The two captains pretend to be confused and not understand at the last minute they leap aboard the starship. The hatch slides closed and the boarding ramp drops away. Several more guards arrive and give the troopers a special cart. which turns the small cutter warning lights from red to green? The guards rush onto the boarding ramp. When are wiped out by the reverse cutters? Reverse cutters we only got who just got introduced a regular cutters. If only they had some corpses to protect them. But what would they do? Suck mccord's in. I. Don't know I. Don't know anything. Not, ever say suck corpses again. Don't tell me how to live on. The table? He's got Darren. Interior starship Tonelli. They, strap themselves into life pods, C. Three in the general move forward, and the giant ship Shudders as it starts to lift off the launch pad. With ten expressions, they all brace for the impact of the silo cover. STARSHIP SPACEPORT SILO Tonelli. The. Mighty starship thunders out of the silo, crashing through the cover plate, sending shrapnel in all directions. The ship leaps toward the heavens. I have to stop again because. There's a silo I. Think this is a rocket ship like a Saturn. Class or Apollo class rocket. This is not like a Sifi looking thing this is. Just a fucking. Rocket. Laser cannons. This is insane. This is like. This is like nineteen forties level. Like. Rocket hanging on a string kinda shit that he's picturing in his head. What! Why did they have to put the kids in a bags? They couldn't. All the rest of them were disguise. I don't get I. Don't know why the kids need to be put into backpacks that were. Suicidal batteries astronaut helmets. You've. Loaded a higher kids yet. Have we know? GET THEM WHO? Fuck anyway. Look. At me. Hold on. Boarding Kansas boarding camps. Say Support Ten-hour. Royal. Flight crews rushed to their star ships. Pilots received their clearances and several giant silo covers swing away, revealing deadly Hunter Destroyer spaceships interior bridge starship space. And the General Watches five hundred destroyers leave the space port at Gordon. We suffered light damage to a deflected. Take them quite a while to catch up with us now. Tell the boys to get some rest. aft-section starship space. On retreats to the section of the ship, where the two captains are checking out the two main laser cannons mounted in large rotating bubble turrets, those stayed. On, not side of the silo. The old boy says you should get some rest. You got some time before they catch up to us. Notices the packs containing the young princess princes. Better store the boys in a life pot. Secure them well. He heads back toward the bridge followed by okay. Just gotTa rewind for a second. he did say like Oh. He's used up his battery more quickly than I thought. I should check that and luke was like weight in. Check it until everything's secure and then shit went down. Nobody has checked that fucking backpack. Why do they have to stay in the backpack now? They're on the ship. Because Reasons Jeff, who years you told me you new things. I remembered the overall story I. Still Don't know why these kids are in backpacks. Anti remember the future God David Because we already finished the watchman scripts. I am no longer doctor. Manhattan Sean Spicer Domino's The table for dumbest whip. It goes to space time gun. He heads back toward the bridge followed by Oxus. Valor carries the to micro packs to a life pod and straps them in. He checks away. Does energy supply there it is? It is low Zara of. Him Cuddle we let them out now like Jeff just said. It's better this way. Things are going to get right. Well make it. Is there any hope stay with me? I love. What the? Book. I want to remind our listeners. That upon their meeting. He punched her in the face why she loves him. You've. There has been nothing to build up any relationship between these two other than hatred at all, and now she's like stay with me. I love you. George Lucas fucking sucks. What could? Like red. Faces Pattern Bay. Where we make it. Any. Stay with me I love you. I love you. Just, the score sentences that four non sequiturs. It's no fucking thin-. Oh, this is great catterick. Captain Valor is slightly shocked at this outburst. The princess starts to cry and clings to him for support are. Not Going to die stop acting like a child and start behaving like a queen. What is this silly talk of love you belong to the people to now in my job is to return to them. Nothing more now. Straighten up and get into a life pod fish. She's deeply hurt by his callousness. Four full disclosure Josh added the word Bitch belong there, but it was not there. That you read that whole thing as a pimp from the Batman thing. The Face She's deeply hurt by his callousness. She breaks away from him and runs down a hallway into a life cod. He is tired and angry at the whole. To return after this brief word from our sponsors. Only, what's up? DACHSHUND dockets Trevor Thompson the self-appointed looney tunes critic here, and if you like old cartoons and watching online reviewers dissect them then. You probably had the same thing I did about two years ago. Hey, what the? Mayor Watch. Every Saturday morning. I do a brand new commentary of warm weather short all throughout the month I. DO video essays examining the history of these cartoons catch my videos on YouTube dot com slash Paris wheelhouse to. Use the HASHTAG tunes critic now. Here's Eric Thousand. The new Voice of Bugs Bunny. looney tunes, critic. Gets. Borough. report, which means your script Ain't worth the Buffalo. She had on a nickel. Josh I cut you off saying what the flock please elaborate. Yeah, what the fuck is this shit like? where? Where did this come from and? How okay if Zara was like like? Making is at Justin this whole time and he can like sense fucking murderers hiding in places. You think you'd be like Oh that bitch do like. What the fuck like she's like. Emotionally trapped between being like a sister and someone. Was Dot Syndrome? I. I Hate George Lucas. He's like my mission was to take you away from Tonelli so that I can take you back to canal, we. Understand yeah, this is pretty cool. Yeah, they literally are like thirty feet away from the planet, and he's like I. Just need to get you back to the people today we. Do we have to stop leaving to now. You, we everybody. In our regular rocket ship. Yeah for? Fade in. Bridge starship space. C. Three guides the starship toward the. OFF A. System. That's right. Approach. I think I counted the upper hoochie. That's. What the the or Fukuchi system. The. System. Ofa Chiesa. Although Fuji's. Look. Bucci, what why is he naming these things by like dumping random tiles out of a scrabble bag? He just lets his little nephew run by the fridge and rearrange all magnets. All. that. Treats us. You'll happened is Georgia's writing this, and he's as frustrated with all the different names as we are, and he's like I don't. Punch whatever? Whatever that is, that's what it is now. I'm tired of Colin Quinn Atari. His name's Justin male. And all these names changed with every draft like almost everybody's name. Bananas. The general watches, the computer readout estimate the position of the Royal. Hunter destroyers. Hostile craft will intercept a thirty plus. That that means nothing. More stupid means literally nothing thirty, plus why so late thirty? What and plus how much? Only that that the girls I liked date is. Thirty plus. Plus a measure of time. With the normal exchange rate thirty plus of a WHO cheese. Is Fourteen hours so like our back twice as many as there are. All Tonelli has a sixty seven hour. Day because of the Tucson's and the five moons the Red Sky, but now they're in space, so they have to use space time. which is different than like? The the universe that you know is made up of space time. It's like a standard space time zone kind of thing because there's no. So a Sundial. I'm never thought. Oregon's Bay. Can't. We can't send an astronaut into the sun because they'll burn up, so we have to wait until nighttime. So that, we. After section starship space. Captain Valor rests in one of the laser cannon pod Bays. Is Thinking about Zara why slowly a smile creeps across his face why? He makes a decision jumps up and hurries down a hallway. Life Taps on the life head bulkhead and Oxus opens the door. Valor is surprise she was trying to buck. What is it? Whereas Zara. She went forward was going on where you, too. I, love, her. Read be again. She went. Overboard was going on with you too. I love her. You're asking for trouble. He's a queen. You know what you're saying I. DON'T CARE I've gotTa Talk. Oxygen just shakes his head, but before valor can finish his. The ship is rocked by a bombardment of Proton torpedoes. Only when the ship took off I, forgot Jeff's favorite sound effects. Every time. The intercom squawks to life. Get those gone. Captain Valor and oxes rushed to the late loser. Cannons, an jump into the protective suits and helmets are lover. I love her. I love her. I Love Sand You're not Zara where Zara them all the women and children. Bridge starship space. That's what it says. Looking Haiku. Bridge starship. Space based is like Christopher Walken on one of those. Are What's The pyramid where they gotta just say a bunch of words and guess what the Fuck and Angel thing. Han enters the bridge and sits before a fire control center. The general sits in a chair slightly behind above sea three directing the robot pilot turnaround. Let's face them. I'll try spinning. That's a good trick. A to sitting quietly in a corner watches a C. three punches new information into the computer and the giant starship swings around in a sharp circle. Several torpedoes exploded near the ship. The general switches onto the intercom. Did your does mother. Your script also cut off. Sitting quietly in a corner watches the C. Three punches. Didn't care about anything. What. Wow yeah the page I. saw. Him terrified. On. You Boys Ready. After section starship space. The captain's adjust the laser cannon controls in front of them and check in with the general. Range in twelve seconds. Oh now we have an actual like measure time. That's nonplus. Fourteen par sex. Captain Valor adjusts his giant laser act cannon searching his electric. Okay, every time he says act can't and you know what I think of? Backpack? No a pillar pew cartoon where he He pretends to be a machine gun. Points his finger at at the cat and goes. I feel with my act of love. Olympic, that's good good. Mars tighter I got. I? That's a good one, too, but. No I I always go to looney tunes before timber. Act cannons where the fuck did that go? Searching his electronic tracking screen for the hunter destroyer. Oxus is having a problem with one of the rotating mechanisms on the huge gun. He curses climbs out of the chair and attempts to fix it. No true, a fucking space curves faith fuck breaks fucking. Vertical? Rotating targets are out. The princess straps herself into a small life pod. Actually there are space curses and star wars. There's NERF herder. Burger. Yeah, that's true. I can't think of any other like XP exclamations. scruffy looking NERF. Herder Not Thinking of I? Don't know name one, do it. That's what. I guess there's. Crank for Gold Kark. Chris. We're moving on. Banta Pu oh poodle like. Yup. You did it and that's the best one. Yeah agreed. Competed the best one to the next best one. The princess straps herself into a small life pod, only the slightest hint of concern or worry shows in her face. She listens to her. Protectors relay instructions as they as the enemy approach. Bridge starship space. The starship Shudders as the hunter destroyers opened fire on relays. The Stars Star ships status to the general is C.. Three struggles to keep up with the barrage of orders. Or losing deflectors, three, thirty, one and ten, forty, two or Three and thirty, one or not two different ones. It's three thirty, one and ten forty two. Oh! CUT HARD TO MERIDIAN nine zero six levels of three degrees. What coming onto one wait for my signal. aft-section starship space, the constant flashing of deflected laser bolts reflect in the. Interior of the laser cannon. Bubble Captain Valerie checks. His firing switches. Oxide just says headphones and lowers a glare reflector. He, wraps on the power rotation circuits and gives them a little test bursts. The pod instantly rotates a few degrees. The large starship heads directly toward the three enemy ships. And then at the last moment dives under the attacking craft. Valor watches, the smaller crafts pass overhead. Aching opened fire, he calls Oxus on the. I've got no signal. I'm on target. What's wrong? What's he waiting for I've got an open shield. The three royal craft are firing incessantly at point, blank range or further signal. But Captain Fowler has a perfect shot and he can't wait. He squeezes the trigger and the giant laser cannon with a burst of smoke and electrical charge opens up on the enemy craft. Yeah. Moments later the signal lights flash on oxes commences firing on the receding Hunter Destroyers two of the royal craft. Break Off and prepare for another attack run. The third is hit by concentrated barrage from the two captains and begin spinning out of control until it finally explodes. Oxus gives the victory wave which Justin gleefully returns. These moments of triumph for broken by the Intercom. Captain Balan next next run you wait for my signal. We haven't much power to spare on your inaccurate grandstanding. Just, tried is wounded. He resets his accelerators as the two remaining hunter destroyers begin a second run. Bridge starship space Han turns to the general. We have a weekend on the Tarit won- Captain Valla get him out of the. Change your heading by point five. aft-section starship space princess. Zara listens to Han warn valor. Your Shield powers down abandoned that position. Seal your section report captain. You hear me captain. Zara becomes worried that something has happened to Justin. The young captain switches off the intercom system and signals to access. The system has gone dead before oxes, cancer, the two hundred destroyers, spacecraft, or upon them once again, laser bolts flash all around them. The general signal flashes on and the captain's starts to return the fire. One of the royal fighters concentrates its fire on values weakened gun port. A direct hit blows open a hole in the Turret and everything that isn't bolted down as sucked into outer space including Captain Valor. He bangs against. The side of the starship held only by a weakened lifeline. The princess, here's ochs explained valor predicament and Russia's back to help him. She is stopped by a pressure locked door, leading to the gun emplacement. Being dead is not much of a predicament it's. Sort of the end. Really inconvenient I mean I. Don't remember them saying they were putting on space suits right right. And, he describes every single button push so if they put on A. There would have been a page about it right. Electro Jerus- spacesuit. Bridge starship space the General Order C. Three to swing the spacecraft around and start a new attack. He turns to a to use the opt bob see what you can do Valla. A, to hurriedly waddles out of the Bridge C.. Three and Hans Simultaneously Turns the general more craft approaching. It looks like at least six or seven. The general studies the radar. Scopes and then checks A. Galactic map displayed on. vk monitors. Change caused a three point one. That will buck. That will head is directly into the path of the noten asteroid belt. Bell to dense to pass through the ship. Make It will never. Will never defeat them in combat, only chance to lose them. See three punches in new coordinates. The starship veers away toward the treacherous asteroid belt. Do you see how much this doesn't work versus Hahn being a grandstanding egotistical pilot? Marquette offices in Han just be the same character. Clearly. Joseph Cambell asked that same question. That's true. What on becomes a person an Oxus. Comes, a giant screaming dog creature. Yeah. What if what if you had this Britain and somebody finally Dave and like the bucket middle fingers listen. You got to cut back on some of this dialogue. He's like. Okay and they're like Docs. But already hired my buddy Peter. I'll talk to hey may. Change. Here's what he's like. Do a dog howl, but I'll know what he's saying. I'll just I'll just have to do some bleeps and loops Montreal now. Chuckling to. John was like. Georgia. Nov Tearing up man. That was really sweet. Said Jobless Nevada. All right enough of that. I. Think what happened was I. Just saw this giant chunk of direction I. Didn't WanNa. Fuck You just wanted to talk birth for. Guys interact with me I couldn't do it. Seen One twenty. And I WANNA point out were only like. Seventy! Five percent through the script and we're already seen one twenty. Strikes. aft-section starship space. Oxus fires on one of the two hundred destroyers, which is pacing. The rebel starship Captain Valor unsuccessfully tries to pull himself back inside the space craft. The enemy craft maneuvers wildly in an attempt to get into a better position to fire on valor. Oxus blasts away until the royal spacecraft spews forth equipment and per. Wait a second so the this guy. Enemy craft is like instead of blowing up the ship. Why don't we just aim at that one do dangling. He must be the leader. As the Lynch to the whole operation. Would, take down the rebellion right now. oxes blast the Wayans hold the royal spacecraft. Spews forth, equipment and personnel careens off and eventually explodes digitally. All of their people shit now I think he blew a hole in their hull, and they discuss sucked out. Okay, okay, but they didn't have tethers like. Justin does. They couldn't afford rope. A well, no there. They got a fucking whole galactic kingdom to run. Maybe can't be wasting money on rope. A to wobbles along the exterior of the ship until he reaches the stranded captain, he attached a new lifeline to the young dice spacesuit, and makes his way back inside the wounded craft. valorous pulled to safety just as the starship enters the asteroid belt, a barrage of small and large asteroids begins to pelt the ship, causing a great deal of. skywalker! Man! Secure yourselves. We may have to eject abandoned the turrets. The princess Russia's back to her life pod and straps herself in oxygenates who helped valor make his way out of the laser cannon turrets, and through a series of locks to the life pod area. Bridge starship space. The asteroids hit hard. The ship is buffeted to and fro as the General Hon and see three struggling to their spacesuit like. Life Pods. The Royal Hunter destroyer closest to the rebel ship explodes in the Onrush of deadly asteroids. The new reinforcement hunter destroyers turn backing. Give up the pursuit they disappear from the tracking monitors. The asteroid bombardment comes almost unbearable. Warning lights begin to flash extending foils, antenna and armament pods or scraped away from the starship whole. A base. Baseball sized holes punched through the mid section and hundreds of objects are sucked into space. A large locker eventually plugs up the opening the starship in her passengers shudder and sway under the punishment of the asteroid storm. Ship is breaking up almost clear the storm. We must have checked the general watches. The computer monitor as the starship emerges from the far side of the asteroid belt were poaching. 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Conspiracy Listening List Roundup

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Conspiracy Listening List Roundup

"Welcome to the PODCAST French club podcast I'm Adela founder of PVC, and as always I'm joined by Sarah Chapter Leader over Houston Chapter and founder of audible feast today will discuss the podcast listening list on conspiracy podcast, Brunch club members, worldwide listen to and discuss the list, and you're always welcome to join them. Go to PODCAST BRUNCH CLUB DOT COM to learn how Yup And this month's list included some truly fascinating episodes. We had episodes from the ant hill from through line future hindsight wind of change and rabbit hole. Yes. So you can find the entire playlist step podcast, Brench Club, dot, com slash conspiracy, and Sarah. What were your takeaways? Well, I loved this listening lists this month. Those big two thumbs up for me. I. I guess you know we've said this before I feel like sometimes when I'm not sure what the listening list is really going to be about those are the best ones because I'm like. Oh. I didn't think this was the direction it was going to go and then you know I never thought of conspiracy in this way or whatever I know that you put this playlist together and I think you did a great job That before before I before we just talked before this but I was thinking I thought that. The episodes were put together very thoughtfully like I felt really appreciative that at least a couple of episodes talked about what's conspiracy versus conspiracy theory and how I really liked the the various I think again more than one of them hit on this point that they're that conspiracy is sometimes true like there. There are conspiracies like it's not like a conspiracy is not whack a doodle like thing it's there are conspiracies to do things and or to you know achieve some kind of goal and I don't know I thought that was really. Great to kind of have this historical perspective in this education piece about conspiracy especially about conspiracy in the United States and kind of how some of those. Thought Processes and philosophies kind of even defined the US. Yeah Yeah. So I I'm guessing that was a conscious choice on your part. You know it's always. Building, a playlist is a lot harder than people think sometimes like you think you're GonNa you know I'm GonNa. Include an episode about this include an episode about that, and then you have a really hard time finding exactly the right. The right episodes. I did this one. It was sort of like, yes, I put I put it together but it was I like to call it community curated because I did put a call out on the facebook group to ask for recommendations and I listen to a lot of the recommendations and tried to piece together. Piece together. The Best I could I wanted to include you know because we have so many chapters all over the world I can't. The through line one was a little tough and the future hindsight one was a little tough because they were very focused on the United States And we have so many chapters in other countries that I don't want. You know I I need to be very conscious of how the playlists are bill. So I, I found the ant. PODCAST and listen to all five of the episodes in that mini series was part three of a miniseries about conspiracies so that I would highly recommend that entire series. Actually, if you liked that episode, it goes into the past, the present, the future, the psychology of of conspiracy theories, and it's an it's very well researched so. Yeah And then I also wanted to include some fun ones. You know someone's that were like about theories. So that's why like wind of change was in there and then even rabbit hole which wasn't so much fun but Rabbit hole was a little bit more about like. Let's watch the process happen you know. Let's see how this how do people come to believe in conspiracy theories. and. yeah I mean. Somebody. I went to the virtual chapter meeting last weekend and somebody was saying that they remember hearing the statistic and I don't remember if it was in one of these episodes were not that fifty one percent of people believe a conspiracy and I don't know if that's in the United States or whatever. and. Actually after having the discussion about conspiracies I'm surprised. It's. Not. Higher. Than interesting percent. That's very interesting because we had our PBC sten chapter meet up this weekend as well. And it was the first one that we had had since all of this craziness began and it was first of all, I shout out to my Houston friends it was really nice to see everybody and it was nice like I haven't been to one of the overall virtual meetings either but it was really nice to see the people that you know some of the regulars right some of the people you've have seen many times and just connect still in that way just it's just truly it's like having that nice human connection somebody that you don't live with. Somebody you don't work with. It's just great. So shout out to them. I was really happy to see them but we actually we talked about that one question on the playlist like does do you believe in any conspiracies or have you has this changed your view on believing in any conspiracies and everybody was kind of like no, we don't believe in any and so that's funny that you're saying like you would think maybe after listening, there are more people that do believe in different conspiracy or conspiracy theories. Well, I think there's obviously a very negative comment connotation to like I believe in a conspiracy theory right and so people just don't. They don't think it's a conspiracy theory. They've just think of it as truth, right? So. I. Think that in their own head, they probably don't even define it as conspiracy theory like yeah. Like some people might define the election of Donald Trump. As, a con- like there was a conspiracy there and I bet a lot of people believe that but they wouldn't defined it as a conspiracy to define it. Or Yeah, right. So they defined as truth so like I think that there's just like fundamental problem in even asking people the question. Because of just the nature of what a conspiracy conspiracy theory is. And also. Just the connotation that comes along with it like you don't want to be seen as like this lunatic who who believes these crazy things like Elvis alive right but like are some. Like I think we need to say from the outset that conspiracy Is Not, necessarily false conspiracy theory is not necessarily false. There are many many many conspiracy theories that turned out to be true true So yeah, I mean speaking of wind of change you know which we both liked to, and we we've talked about we talked about last month. I think the way that podcast kind of ended up in the end to it's. I mean, we don't spoil anything for anybody but I still think you could believe one way or the other like you could believe that this there is a conspiracy there or you could believe that there's not and. You know it totally could be true. So maybe I'll change my vote before when I was saying I didn't believe in conspiracies that maybe I I give credence to the wind of change theory. I thought. You'd never know like and that's the point is like. Some things that people just take like hard truth others would define as a conspiracy or conspiracy conspiracy theory and you know to me a conspiracy just like two or more people. Colluding to. Do something and undermined something some. We talked about it I in the virtual chapters like for nefarious purposes. You know to kind of sidestep the public process and yeah co like a coup is the thing that kept coming up in my mind over and over and that obviously happens and. In the US like you said, typically it's a for nefarious purposes but sometimes, maybe it's not you know there could be a a conspiracy to remove a dictator something a a coup to remove someone in power that really like that's the better thing for society. So also I think you know we should say that a conspiracy doesn't always lead to a negative outcome either like you know that's probably the. Probably, in history of things that have been proven true. Probably it seems like there are more things that turned out to have a you know some kind of nefarious aspect to them but Yet that that the concept of a coup is the thing that kept coming up in my mind I was listening to the different. Guests on the shows talking about the history like you know if that's the ultimate is like overthrowing government and that requires a conspiracy. Theory but actual conspiracy to papal two or more people have to collude. And agree to this thing outside of sort of what the normal mode of operation would be to do that thing. So. What did you think about we? We're we're talking about truth a little bit and about. How people just believe something because they hear it. What did you think about the episode about the new conspiracies zome from he future hindsight. Did that leave any. Lasting impact on your anything. Yeah I. That one was. So, so I'll say that the other episodes kind of made me feel better about what's going on right now because I was like, oh, it's just kind of the way it's always been like conspiracy theories and people doing crazy things and saying crazy things and it's nothing new. But accept that maybe we have the Internet that makes it easier to spread that kind of stuff. The thing that scares me a little bit about the future hindsight episode is that it's like she her argument is that like this is a completely new. Phenomenon in that, she's saying at least the way that I understood it. That It's It's not about the theory anymore. It's just about a statement of fact. That is based on like a theory, but just stating it with no evidence or. Reason why they? They either think it's true or why It would've been like necessary and you know this one was it was very, very clear sort of where the political leanings of the both the guest and the host are so you know. I try to even though I tend to agree with most of you know I am liberal and. But I still try to listen with a like it's impossible to be one hundred percent on biased right. But I tried to kind of take it with a grain of salt right but she was talking about the inauguration of Donald Trump and how you know he just stated. Outright that there. You know I was the biggest crowd ever whatever Blah Blah Blah like why? It's like a statement with no underlying reason why you would even want to lie about that when it's completely. It's like there's First of all, there's no way to back it up. There's no evidence and like it's so easily. uncovered as a outright lie that seem sort of like silly. And so that's one point as. This conspiracies on it's not based on any theory as to statements of fact that Sorta just throw everything into chaos and disarray and she kept using the word disorientation. Like. It was all about just disorienting people and that's scary. That's it. Gets me super scared because then. You could see where people like regular people who are just living regular everyday lives and have other stuff going on. They don't want to spend all their time trying to suss out what's true and what's not true. Yes. Are Just GonNa stop believing anything. Yes. I honestly I thought this was the one episode out of the list that I have been telling people about I, really like the list overall. But this is the one where an I think I just think it was really compelling audio I think it was put together really well I think it was really fascinating to have this kind of. Futuristic view of what what might conspiracy to be in the future and yeah, it's based on something that's happening right now something that's bad and happening in the US locally over the last four years. So yeah, it's kind of isolated I. Don't think you can necessarily extrapolate that and say this is a new whatever a new philosophy new theory but I think. Because we live here and we see it. Like it was so. So. Like. I don't know what the word is but just kind of. smacked me in the face kind of to say. Oh. Yeah. This leader literally lies about everything and you're right. It's because people become. It's this chaos in the store disorientation. People don't have the time to think about art to spend thinking about critically is this true and should I believe this and and then you get this you know confirmation bias from people that are around you or or. Our leader of this country I will say that with lower case Al capital I can't even call him president will. Will Give. You that con- you know continue to confirm and say, no, it's true. The inauguration was the biggest one we've ever had, and then like you just start to like you get that over and over and you're like and you. Doubt Your own sanest to. Wait second he is so convinced by this just like are looking at the photos and you're like, am I not like. What am I not seeing and then you start just just this is so stupid. I'm just going to give up altogether. And then so that's sort of. Why the attack on the media is also so scary because the that's exactly what the media's job is is to kind of like figure out what's true figure out what's not true and tell us right and and so it's like this two pronged attack. where he you know like? There's disarray and disorientation, and then an attack on the groups that are meant to. suss everything out and reorient the public. So is quite scary and that one is the one that sort of like. I really enjoyed it but I was like. You almost want to listen to more you're like, oh Well you know other stick my head in the sand this this one really I we we were so lucky in our local chapter, we had professor of psychology and social psychology come to our meeting was like the perfect person come and he talked to us about this concept of motivated reasoning and I want to read a quick little paragraph. It's from psychology ticket today about what motivated reasoning is in ties so into what we're talking about so as To Maintain Positive Self Regard People unwittingly discount unflattering or troubling information that contradicts their self image individuals engage in motivated reasoning as a way to avoid or. Congress dissonance, which is the mental discomfort people experience when confronted by contradictory information especially on matters that directly relate to their comfort happiness and mental health rather than reexamining a contradiction, it's much easier to dismiss it. So it's like this is it's like this is so innate. It's like we're like. It's it takes so much effort. It's like really difficult question and say. Should I be believing this and you're right. Then it's like leads to this south doubt thing like wait am I is my initial instinct wrong. In question your own instinct is feels terrible and then I feel like there's this other element of like overtime. Of just like exhaustion. So I feel like that could also explain why like as we age were just like more and more set in our beliefs and our ways because we're just so freaking tired of like questioning everything and you know we're just like whatever I believe what I believe it doesn't even matter anymore. And that's it. You know 'cause I can't. If this was the status I could easily see myself getting so tired. Exhausted of it so it is quite scary and. I think you also mentioned to me before and I want to hear what he had to say the same Professor About Doomsday Oh Yang and yes. Yeah. We well that I didn't even think about that before But he he you know this Adam, he brought up that. You know there are a lot of similarities like I guess their studies and everything that prove this. They're people people their similarities between people who are doomsday peppers and people that believe in conspiracy theories and that there are a lot of conspiracies out there So I again when he that I was just like and then I thought well, I guess it kind of makes sense. So what do you think about that? Well, so I sort of went on this crazy rampage, not rampage but like a during the virtual meeting where I feel like everybody probably thought. So apologized anybody out there who was at that meeting and heard me like. Turn into a complete lunatic. I. have been so okay. Have you heard of the podcast it could happen here. No. Okay. It's called. It's called. It can happen here it's. Done in two thousand nineteen and the whole idea the home whole premise behind this podcast is that. It is the civil war. Civil War could happen here in the United States I think I remember hearing about that. Yeah. Yeah and I sort of avoided it like the plague for a long time because I was like not going there and my head like I just don't I can't. And then I decided to listen because like it just feels scarier Gary irritate me with pandemic am the waves and then the protests and the and and and then the election coming up like all of it just seems to be like really. Like just happening in a very short period of time. And I just don't. I. Don't know how this is all GonNa roll out. So I stupidly decided to listen. It's excellent. Excellently done it's very well researched, but after three episodes had to be like, that's it. No, I'm not listening anymore because honestly it media WANNA, start like stock pile. And get a like a gun licence because I was like he was like okay. So this is how it would happen if it was started by the right you know, and this is how it would happen if it was started by the left and he had this thing, he did it and I think the episode I listened to. Talked about this was done in February of two thousand eighteen. And he he was like, okay. So this is what happens. There are protests in the street. It doesn't really matter why there are just like something sparks protests. There are protests in the streets and it happened it spreads nationwide and federal troops are are. Deployed and for the most part, it's it's calm but then you know one of the you know. One of the troops. Opens Fire and kills Blah Blah Blah. He basically said exactly what happens in many places? And I was like, Oh, my God this is happening and he's and he wrote this and he recorded and nineteen. Early nineteen. So I was kind of like, Oh, God this is getting super creepy and I had to stop. So I didn't listen to all of it I listen to three and stopped but then I started like doomsday propping sort of like in my head I didn't I didn't actually go out and apply for a gun licence I didn't actually go out and start stockpiling food but I started thinking about it like kind of like in an semi serious way where I was like. Maybe it's not a bad idea to be. Prepared and safe yeah. Somewhat prepared. So I don't know I don't know if that means that I had done. Believe in conspiracy theories because then actually everybody started going Oh. So you believe in a conspiracy theory and I was like well I don't know is that a conspiracy theory? There's nobody conspiring to like start a civil war here. It's just like what? It's like a turn of events. That would happen because of sort of like history and politics and social strife and all the things that caused that kind of thing it's not necessarily I think like two people are. You know meeting in some secret room and being like, okay. You ready to start the civil war you know. So, I don't know it's just. Incredibly, frightening. So I recommend EPA. Don't recommend it. It's one of those weird ones where I'm like. You have to. You have to. Be Strong you have to you'll have to let us know if anybody out there listening to it also. Yeah. So let's let's take a break and we'll come back and talk about podcast recommendations. Hey podcast brunch club. We'd like to tell you about our new podcast on CD and cannabis. It's called how to do the pot and it's here to answer women's secretly Google questions about weed. I think of it as a modern woman's guide to legal cannabis listen women share personal stories of how cannabis improved their health and wellbeing and medical doctors breakdown science to explain why. No matter your experience getting to your best cannabis outcome is possible with the right died. How do the pot is here to be yours and is available wherever you listen to podcasts. We're back. Sarah what podcast recommendations do you have for us this month? So I just have one recommendation this month and it is in good company and it is from Shannon Cason So a lot of listeners probably recognize him from some other stuff he's done. He's been on this American life in different segments and he has his his show. That's just like him kind of pontificating instead of which is homemade stories with Shannon case in and then he's had some other shows as well like some other. Forays into in you know independent podcasting. So it's from Detroit and leave. That's where he lives and he goes out and interviews people who have either started a business in Detroit or who have like a couple of them have been people who have inherited a business from their family So just people like trying to make a small business work in Detroit and you know Detroit's kind of just like the backdrop it really could be you could do this and other cities but I just. Don't have a ton to say about it other than I, pretty much everything. He does like I feel like I want to nominate him for Mind My podcast Brunch Club Hall of fame. But you know, I, just think he is just an excellent storyteller at the way he. The, the the cadence, and the the measured way that he speaks when telling stories is super captivating to me and you know these stories are they're not about him. You know there are about the people that are trying to make it in these small businesses But he he like adds something to the story. You know instead of I, think a Lotta interviewers end up taking something away. I just really like his kind of like somewhat informal style like he's like talking to them like, Hey, we're friends you know until you feel like then you're listening to a couple of friends talk about their business, but it's not like a bro way you know like No offense to the BRO podcasts out there. But you know it's not in that like Oh tell me about the the the three characteristics that you had that made you successful and what's your social media strategy whatever? No, it's like. So, how does this work with your family like or is it weird to have inherited a business from your parents or whatever? Like? That's awesome. That's really the questions I want to know the answers to I don't care how somebody's you know personal. Philosophy about what made them successful? It's no I just like I like the story it's really totally like lifestyle society culture. Totally what exactly then that niche of a podcasting is. I don't know I just I like it. So that's my suggestion. Yeah, he. He is a multi. Winner of the moth. Story Slams. I. You know I I know I've heard many of his stories on the moth. He also lived in Chicago for a long time and then moved back to Detroit. And Yeah he's Great. Actually the way that you're describing that podcast a little bit like in the blocks. Out of the blocks out. Yeah kind of like yeah. Of Real hyper local like, hey, how're you like? How are you doing what? What's your? How hyper local like What's what's the relation to the neighborhood that you're in that kind of thing? Yeah it is. It's like it's kind of like out of the blocks but making it a little bit more about the business. Yeah. So yeah, that's That sounds really good. I just listened to out of the blocks episode yesterday about. Businesses actually about small businesses than some some like area that they're gentrifying. So they're like all of these small vendors are having to close up shop because they're gonNA tear this bill big building down and rebuild it so. Yeah, I can appreciate a good interviewer. I can see Shannon case then would be a good just a good. You know type person to. Have a real conversation. Yeah. Exactly. What do you? What do you recommend for us this month? Yeah. So my my recommendation is a little bit abnormal for me. It's a little out of my wheelhouse because it sort of true crime and a lot of people who listen to this podcast. Now that I'm not usually one to like true crime, but it's called somebody and it's set in Chicago, which is where I live where I'm from. And it's done by a mother of a young man who was. Shot and then. Died essentially outside of Chicago Police Department. And there's a whole backstory, an investigation but like the Chicago Police Department unsurprisingly did a terrible job of investigating what happened to this poor young man and this woman is just like this fierce fierce mother who has like I am going to find out what happened to my son, and so she basically goes on this investigation to try to figure out what happened with her son and how he was shot and. She you know she talks to people that the police never even. talked to and she really sort of. I wouldn't say solves the crime but gets a little bit more clarity into like what happens and it's really well done and this woman is just like. She's wonderful. She's like a fierce Mama who you just like I want her on my son you know. So Yeah. I. Would recommend that that's awesome. I will check it out. Yeah. So we also got a few recommendations from the PC community and we'll check him out now. Hi, this is Brian from Austin Texas. My new favorite podcast is the darkest time line. podcast from a doctor Can Jong and Joel McHale from community. It's a spinoff from the community TV show. They talk about community and corona writers because Kim Jong Comedian and actor is also a physician. and Joel Mchale if you know him from the soup they're both very funny. They get along really well, talk about community and the Corona Virus I love it. They have guests from the show. It's amazing. They're hilarious and talk about the. Show. All right. Welcome. Welcome to Emily's recommendations emily. I'm coming to you from New York right now and I wanted to recommend a couple of things. So I'm going to recommend based on category I, because I think it's easier to do it that way my personal favorite type of podcast is audio dramas. So I tend to know a lot more audio dramas then. Your average gout. So there's a brand. There's a couple of brand spanking new ones that are pretty good and I definitely recommend them and The first one is ferry. It's Middle Beats Wail and American public radio. So if you guys like to black tapes and tennis, that's the same production company and it's pretty formulaic to what they normally do. So you'll feel right at home listening to that one. What it's about, it's about fairies in them being tracked down by like this suspicious men in black type. Organization. there's also another audio drama called. Borowska with deals with this kind of crazy story. that. is about abduction and a treehouse and drug use and. Different stuff. It's got a lot of themes that it ties together, but it's definitely a well produced hand written podcast. Definitely recommend that one for audio drama. and. Then my last audio drama pic is unwell unwell I think maybe doesn't get the. The props that it should. It's a fantastic audio drama. It's set in the Midwest and it's got this Lake American Gothic vibe to it but there's something spooky going on and you're not quite sure what definitely ten out of ten recommend that one the accents in it alone are fantastic and as always mission does X. Smyth FAV-. That one's great. For? Non Audio drama ones. If you're big into. Living Online and. How social media affects our every everyday life Rabbit hole is fan tastic. So rabbit hole is done by new. York Times and what it talks about is the Youtube Algorithm in how the Youtube Algorithm affects people's political beliefs and how the Youtube Algorithm might actually be how we got to where we are now. 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Sue's Number One Fan

The World at Large

38:37 min | 2 months ago

Sue's Number One Fan

"A group of british tourists are rejected from entering spain due to new restrictions from brexit in army of militants attack a town in northern mozambique causing major destruction. The italian government cuts off cruise ships from venice and sabra recalls thousands of its products due to them being infected with salmonella. This is the world that large we are politics. One thousand and one though World politics one thousand and won the world. Oh yeah thank you for tuning into this episode of the world at large. This show is free for everyone and to keep it that way. Consider supporting us through the lincoln. Our description you can support us by leaving a review subscribing and sharing with the friend as well now without further ado please enjoy this episode of our podcast. Hello everybody welcome to another episode of the world at large anyway. Hope you enjoy that intro. Because from now on it's permanent we're not changing it. Ever april fools supposed to keep quiet till you guys is april fools day. I mean we totally plan to recording on thursday instead of a wednesday not because in is incompetent unable to get the correct recording time So instead recorded on thursday and we decided to give you a little prank. you're not gonna hear that cringe throw at you just hurt however You're gonna get it today. I think it's hilarious You no one else. That is i hope. I like to date or audience in my stellar musical abilities. Unin ability to keep any sort of rhythm so i don't know what he's talking about but My mother always says i have the voice of the name Yes you do. Ian does it. But if you haven't actually if you if listen to the first few episodes remade we actually used to do these. Like really stupid. Intros wasn't my idea is my thought it sounded cool but it doesn't it out. We got some pretty bad feedback while you call it so we stopped. But i've thought for april fools day we bring it back for one more time and maybe for special occasions you get one of those again Little star one which is my favorite. We actually edited it anyways. I hope you enjoyed it hoping to encourage too much. If you did skip it go back and listen because you're as you need to listen in order for it to the april fools joke to work. Yep integrates so without further ado. Let's jump into the episode up. We're talking first about spain and the united kingdom because guys guys guys. It is march thirty first just past. It's gone march. Twenty twenty one. Let's just pretend to happen because honestly it didn't like the restrictions are over for brexit. The uk left but but spain decide. We're going to keep it in place for a little bit longer. The open borders. We're going to slowly like inch our way out of it. Give the people of spain and the british the british. Let's give us some time to coca cola. Is the right word. It kind of figure out what their plans if they want to hang out in spain looking to give them some time to figure it out but the march thirty first all that expired so now brexit it's full on brexit. Now i mean you might as well becoming from chalet to to spain because this point united states to spain the this point this you might as well like the british have just as much as americans to enter the country. They are an independent sovereign nation without any ties to the european union So obviously in it that dayton itself is still raging but but you know what happened and this is the reality situation. Is that those given be. Something's changing between britain spain. So the story of the days at a group of british tourists were rejected from spain by border authorities when attempting to reenter the country. So these people were actually put on the plane. They legend alicante port city in spain. I know that. Because i had foreign exchange student from there I no big delia But Hey julio of and so i don't think i don't think julio listened to this at the dow shout out to julio the ever ever here's this but but anyways alicante port city in spain or at least a coastal city and the the flight was coming from manchester landed there and then the authorities essentially turn them around and say you know what no i don't buy his british like garbage in my country. Get out shoot you guys. Don't have the proper papers And so what's what's weird about. This is that they were actually living in spain and they retain return to their homes in the country and this was actually forty people that were turned away. It wasn't like a family. It was pretty much a whole flight of forty people were turned back on so they were pretty angry. They tried to present their papers proving that there are residents of spain but the spanish shed. No no we're not. We're not doing those papers. They don't work and stuart miller he. He's the british person who came forward. He speaking further heard here and he said we're done i. This is ridiculous Once he said this to the press. I'll just read you what he said. What more proof do you need a residency. There was no advice. No help and to be fair. No good reason for us to be turned back at alicante on because again these people actually tried to present papers showing the residency which the spanish authorities hinted would be enough But that didn't work within work so miller and his friends day was sent back. They're sent back running to that to that rainy island in the northern part of europe so to had some sunshine but anyways you might as well live massachusetts that point so ready here but anyways according to the british embassy in madrid they hadn't extractions. They said all right. I don't know if that's the best thing. I don't know if that was appropriate but at the same time know we we gotta understand the route of the situation here. I'm so the british embassy said this we are aware that a number of uk nationals were turned back from alicante airport at the weekend and we have been in touch with the authorities if you are a uk national who has been turned away and you hold sufficient documentary evidence to prove you have legal residents in spain. We stand ready to take this up with spanish authorities. What these people did not possess. Are the thai cards. As i like to call them. I think that's how you say but they are today. Identity todd Extra herro Spanish you really love my american accent here and these are essentially foreign. Id cards which are are necessary. In order to stay in spain after a person's respective visa expired. If it makes you feel any better i those the american accent thing you just speaking gibberish tar hato their day. A dead identity dodd. Now okay sorry guys. My spanish isn't great But but essentially these. These tied cards are necessary in order to stay in spain. If you don't if you lose your visa wanna live there. If you want to chill spayed you have to prove your resin. You've got to work for it. I don't want these these random residency papers indiana now the thai card card and so I was doing tai on my neck and so before the british could have come gone as they pleased obviously but with brexit. It's not exactly that easy. It's much more difficult for these people to enter. Since it's just similar like i said from entering from the united states. I'm so there's been a lot of resistance to this decision from the spanish authorities to turn these people away Sense they hinted that they could have gotten in with the paperwork. That mr miller for example did supply bef- when he went to spain however that didn't end up working out and it didn't apply so they were turned away slips. Let the sue wilson. She will send his agri. She's the chair of premade. And that's the most influential british migrants activist group in spain and how advocates for british migrants. She like su su su. So bad you goes. I demand to see the badger abyss. Spanish restaurant. I mean the i mean the manager of all spain i demand to see them. 'obediently yes who was not happy. She called the authorities quote over zealous. And then she went on to say this. There is no legal required for a tie card so long as you already are a legal resident before the end of the transition period and have the paperwork to prove it paperwork proving. They've been asked to collect their new residency of documents. Alive with any supporting proof of residency. Should be good enough. Su su is mad and so she her job is essentially to do stuff like this. You know stick. Up for british migrants who find themselves in situations like this exist specifically in spain because of gibraltar nook and cranny of the british of the british empire which doesn't exist so bet sue wants to see a rise again as she will be empress of britain here all your residency papers. Yes requested see a big fat su biggest fan just because i have water to posters in my does it got to a few concerts lecturer presidency. Papers you winter. Her small apartment in in rural spain anyways off topic so susu is she's not happy and she's sticking up Essentially saying it's ridiculous. I made the requirement of card. That's stupid requests. You're just trying to rub the fact that Actually applies in our face. That's not nice until the british embassy. Which i told you some of the reaction bill say more. It said that it will look into this conflict and they went on to state however that it was not ultimately up to them. Whether or not the tourist could be leaded. I made it spain their sovereign countries at so. We're we're gonna dip. We can't we can't stop them from getting in. So if they're going to reject you they're gonna reject you like you gotta get over this So there are many residents of spanish nationality who have not actually applied for residency status. These people actually live in spain right now. The different from the people that were turned away. some of them have second homes in spain. Verron a visa. But whatever the reason is they have to apply for residency in order to be able to stay or the spanish government has threatened to actually check them from the country. Send them back to britain. So these people gotta get they gotta get onto it if they haven't done it yet So that's certainly risks. They have to take in its religious. Showing how the impact that brexit is having on the spanish british relations in general. It's very interesting to look at So with that heartfelt moment in our beautiful eulogy to sue We will be dead now. No now is you'll ever we deliver eulogies. I don't know speech a commemoration commemoration. Assume okay. i'm sorry nervous anyway. Back to most empty. Yeah so now. We're going to be both beacon. This is a lot more serious. So gonna take over serious tone at this. No sous here And so what happened. Is that the gas. Rich province of cabo delgado was attacked recently by armed fighters in the town of palma on this city is located in the northeastern part of most mozambique gets right on the border And it was very bad it was very brutal it resulted in over eight thousand people being displaced the city has tens of thousands of residents You could see how aiming at eight thousand people that's a lot of people amid so reportedly fighters stormed the city and began. Looting and ransacking They re looting and ransacking buildings leading fires blowing stuff up at shooting people as they ran away on. They forced thousands of people who flee to the countryside. more into the forest just to avoid deaths Is there in fact. However even though the city ended up you know it's controlled by these militant groups which is believed to be al shabaab. Which is it military which operates in eastern africa. They're still a lot of people trapped in the city for example. There's a hotel that has a lot of foreign foreign people There's some mozambique elite setter in the hotel. It's pretty big deal palm because it's a coastal city. It's nice and it's i guess. It's like under siege right now or whatever so it's it's a pretty it's a pretty big deal in so a few thousand others actually fled by boat since they were squashed against the water back by the Against water by the approaching Grabbed a boat and just just fled because they don't like shot these attackers al-shabaab. We're we're actually opening firing not confirm that. But that's what we think it is. I went so sadly dozens of people were rounded up empty headed by the attackers So as you can see this as These militant groups tend to stuff like this Isis al qaeda. That this type of stuff happens where they round up people behead them teach them a lesson or at least get people the surrender otherwise if you fight back you know. This is the consequence. You're going to face up at soap unexpectedly. This causing approachable fear and disgust from the surrounding countries and nations abroad For example moussa faki mahamat. The chairman of the african union demanded immediate inc international action against hardline extremist groups to stop this from happening. He doesn't like it doesn't it. I mean it's a tragedy in some. Furthermore masih masisi promised to send aid as well which is in in that man is the president of botswana. Said he's gonna send regional aid and help kinda just to help secure the city and generally just restore order to a rather destructive turn of events In soak despite all this because this attack again is very recent and it's all over it means all over the news in this part of the world spite off this big president. Felipe nation neo seat. We tried to play down for economic reasons He said it wasn't as bad as looked for example aunt It's not not to not that. He thinks it was a good thing. I mean he doesn't. He's working on solving the problem right now But but but he doesn't want to lose. There's a lot of economic in the city. Because as i said earlier this general province of cabo delgado is. It's very wealthy. There's a lot it's very gas. Rich factors six multibillion dollar company. Which is i believe Sixty billion dollars worth of natural gas. It's a french company. It's it's a project that's been worked on just six miles or ten kilometers from the city of palm which was just taken by the militants in the biggest concern of president. Neil is that these people are going to pack up and leave because what incentives that they have to stay within. The company can't keep their staff safe if there's not heading people just a few miles away That's that's the biggest concern of hammond so he's trying to downplay lycee. It's okay we'll deal with it the best that we can to prevent them from doing that. However the staff of the of the project did end up evacuated because the writers actually the fighters actually left pomme in went down to like the outskirts of this project and carry out raids Outside the facility. Like you've done fire and stuff like that. I'm just to intimidate them. They didn't actually go in. But but they got very close sinned so the staff were immediately evacuated. And so that's concern. He doesn't want to lose out on this gas project until the biggest speculation as to. Why the attack. Neil happen because of this project. The the group they maybe they wanna get their hands on the gas. Maybe they so they can sell it themselves. Maybe they wanted to disrupt it because if it's a if it's a flushing stable economy. They might be able to resume stem better on some. That's a reason that is been start of another is that the fighters have been trying to capture supplies from humanitarian groups and the last major attack on palma. His province in general wasn't was back in two thousand seventeen and even that it wasn't really. I mean this was debatably worse than that So aka it's been about four years of relative calm and peace and stability and because of that humanitarian groups have started to operate in the areas again but when they do operate they carry with with them. They carry medical supplies food water. Amal stuff that al shabaab would wanna confiscate and take for themselves so that they can. They can grow in numbers. Al-shabaab is growing but these groups. They grow mostly from From from from using these supplies they'll take the supplies in grow themselves to self someone's impoverished village or something then they'll offer them if you join our ranks will give you food and water and someone who doesn't have any of that there's a real incentive to join not necessarily because you like killing people but because you just want food it's so that's what they do they'll intercept humanitarian groups than use it to grow their numbers. So that's that that's kind of what that is so those are the two reasons that as to why this happened again. It's not confirmed wire even if it was al shabaab although there's a large amount of agreement that it was but those those are the biggest speculations so the united states in portugal because portugal because mozambique was a former colony of the portuguese. They have both announced that they'll be sending special forces to go to the country in helped train the army of mozambique make it more competent. Able to fight terrorists because especially american special forces do in fact fight terrorists a lot Experience in that field In so again it's expected that was al-shabaab by it. We're not really sure. Some mozambique has sent troops to the north of the country north of mozambique to actually retake palma tried to restore order and some other countries offered to help. South africa has offered to send supplies. Because this is a regional conflict in south africa has long one al-shabaab kerry into they don't want the drama to carry into their countries. Well so pretty big story very big deal. It should be more on the news. But i haven't seen it as much as i feel it deserves but it's on politics. One thousand one while that large show. I mean biggest biggest news sources that gets course exactly what. That's what i was thinking. I was a little insulted. 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Yeah no i will. will but anyways Venice what's being referred to here is the is the mainland venice. Not not the not the mainland part of the city. The main island part of venice and in this part of venice. There's a lot of pollution problems and flooding because because it's it's a very densely populated area and it's very very old If you if you look at pictures of venice you see this. Massive cruise ships that in tower over the buildings. It's is pretty credible because there's literally no more room to build in venice. Limited lands taken up. It's an island so it's not like there's endless room to built And so because of that has been a lot of pollution of the water and flooding of the city. Now because when you have heavy inside water when you guys know when you put your if you put your hand side water. The water level rises Basic basic physics knowledge here and because of that because of that The cruise ships there little bit lighter. They're a little bit more heavy than like you know my finger so just a little bit about as heavy as about heavies sean's finger but okay ask his is two hundred. Nineteen thousand tonnes. This is important to ask. i understand. i didn't mean to. I didn't mean to offend you by not saying that you're crowd. I have mentioned with the size of different ships out there. Very serious ya. Sue will like me if i'm as big as to who. She might not sues picky. But anyways the point i'm trying to make here. Is that a push on a lot of it. The ships are really pushing the water level up in. The waters are very murky. They've cleared up recently. Believe last year. I saw photos of dolphins swimming through the canals of venice. Which was pretty cool because the water's just cleared up so much that they've like you know what i have done this in a few centuries good for the reportedly had sunscreen on their nose in hawaiian shirt fedora and a low polaroid camera was taking pictures of their baby dolphins through the canal. They run a whole okay. They were from america. They were american dolphins. I was a child you describing yourself. Well i was trying to. Yes i mean. We are american. Opt-in the stereotypical american joke out skull with it. Go with it man. okay okay. Ready with aras. That's as much less much laughing as you may. Because i wanna talk about. Culture minister dario french on god. Dario franceschini france teeny. Yeah probably franceschini. Anyways i don't know this so he made a so he was he lauded this his this amazing. I'm so happy. We did this but he did mention. That decision was passed from a lot of pressure from unesco which we know is branch of the united nations and it works special sites and artifacts if you get labels unesco heritage site that's as good as it gets when you're an artifact yelling like for humans. It's you want to get the nobel prize for artifact you'll want to get the unesco status pretty similar levels here you get protected and if you get destroyed person they're gonna be a lot of trouble it so he he wanted this and then the ship's Some clarification the will still be able to go to venice but they will have daca the industrial port of the city rather than the Do deca canal which. I can read it. I can't say it clearly but it's located in the inner part of the city in. It's it's more like a lagoon is very shallow until the ships will some sometimes get stuck in there though. It's pretty base. They're big enough They won't be able to dock there anymore. 'cause venice is to keep the inner part of the city somewhat together. I'm so movements. Such as these have been tried in the past with the most memorable being from twenty nineteen with a massive cruise ship rammed into the harbor harbor by accident which injured five people have renault. Significant progress was made following that loop. See daisy your driving a cruise ship. I'd recommend not ram it into random cities. They don't like that. It's probably not good for your ship. you there. although is more of that. He's more in that field in me is it is a good durham cruise ships into stuff. from my experience i would say no. I would point to the example of the titanic who challenge. It got hit iceberg. What are you know needed. So he's the royal family thing. Okay sorry guys such a loser. Don't tell him i said that. But not the wonderful all ed so all proposed back at one point other as as kind of like the twenty nineteen thing were all ignored or overturned There was one in two thousand thirteen. The actually was forced but that was the one that was overturned. The italians are they like we care. But at the same time i saw much tourism money i mean might no love tours money. Those boats hold so my people. Then they all go off Lotto like the five a lot of stands at venice. There are that many in that tiny little island and they're all busy so they've been they sure they like it. Although i've heard the locals event asleep people actually live on the island or do not like tourists right electoral college. Abbassi seeped up Taurus i do i. I like tourists when they're extended with take pictures of squirrels is apparently they're rare. They don't exist in europe. For example i saw yeah. I saw people taking pictures of scrolls comments once anyway. Yeah i mean. I mentioned julio for remember julio now he's like oh. Squirrels are so cool was like nice. No they're not. But i guess you they are. I s like a koala bear. Yes yeah for a monkey and others monkeys that run around a lot in in a lot of countries in the middle east and africa. So there's some things we take for granted isn't there. I guess there are. I'd prefer squirrels actually anyways What i was trying to say is. I don't even know how we got on that topic. But yeah i have no idea anyways torres so the band is gonna take effect when tourism to venice actually resumes right now. There's no one going to venice because covid but when it does but this offense are dolly gas. They don't have to show their visa The problem immigrant dolphins taken jobs. Just i'm just kidding guys. I'm just kidding. Dolphins only takes some jobs. Not all of them. It's the one that we don't want. Apparently eating fish do not like fish. Some fish like swordfish disgusting. Oh the best type of fish you like. Swordfish like the state of the sea. I don't think we can be friends anymore. Hard all right guys. See later april fools of but anyways you weren't good we'd love april fools day politics with thousand one anyways the cruise ships again. They're not entering At all right now but they're not gonna enter the city centre even when they do so. I hope your enjoyed that story. We're gonna move on now to lebanon because lebanon guys is continuing. Despite despite the best efforts the best arts of us to cover lebanon once every mo- every three months of it can take us to be in an economic crisis so obviously we don't have much influence over lebanon. I thought we did Down does whatever that means on wednesday lebanese militant groups slash political party Hezbollah said that it is time to form a new government in lebanon. That's the big story. So it's leader cy at hassan nasrallah on us rela talk about you so much and it said that he said that it's time for you. Think my obsession with sue as weird. You'd think actually. I'm going to mention the said country. Docket betcha this podcast. It borders lebanon. Oh and your obsession was suicide. I don't know. I think it's cute out. Thank you. you're welcome so anyways said that it's time to put the political differences aside for politicians. I like nasrallah. He's he's pure as snow. He doesn't have any incentives but the politicians their badge. These politicians are terrible. They need to put aside their political differences ham. He's innocent. He's never done anything but the politicians they got put it. They got their stuff aside. It's time to put their energy into forming a new government has if you guys didn't know lebanon's in the middle of an economic crisis as i've already stated and that crisis is threatening the very foundations of the country in terms of quite literally staying together and not collapsing lebanon. They are struggling here. Huge inflation Lots of poverty over fifty percent poverty in the country continues to rise pretty rapidly so again. It's not good. The biggest problem of course is the divide between the political. Carr's what is it not So president michael of lebanon. He's backed by he's backed by hezbollah which is important and he has accused the prime minister. Saad hariri of attempting to secure a majority for himself in the parliament. And because of that. That's why the government is informing however hariri says michael is. It's actually your fault. You are tried to get your own people seats in my cabinet of the future government In so in that in return that would give you kind of like a veto power over the cabinet so you actually our fault for not for the government so as you can see prime minister president. They're fighting with each other in harare's not an ally of of of michael or has below so it's kind of those two versus the prime minister. So you can see that. There is a large political divide between the three most powerful people in the country. Which is when you want to form a government. that's not what. I wanna see And so last monday. The attempt to form a cabinet so last last monday The attempt to form a cabinet failed which shattered the hopes of lebanese populace. In seeing a new government. Four they got together. They tried it. It just didn't work and so there have been caused because of this to reactivate the old cabinet of former prime minister hassan diab twitch said. I can't i can't do that now. I can't do that i want. I don't want to but but if you if you really if you really want to. I guess for the sake of lebanon. I'll do it but only if you really want to. He's doing this thing like You know roman emperors used to do. Oh i don't want to be emperor. One of the troops has to elevate them. I don't wanna do it. No we want you to. I think that's where he god's inspiration to ask me But anyways they said on santiago. You could be prime minister. At least there's a lot more calls recently. Elevate him to that position But diop said only if parliament agrees. I'm not. I'm to humble for that. I'm so the reason that this that this is actually a big deal is that foreign aid is frozen unless there's an actual government in place so people continue to fight. No foreign comes in which equals in return because my calculus is top notch the calculations right. No foreign aid equals economic crisis in so they. That's what that's what you're gonna continue to see lebanon unless it's formed of a as per usual with these petty disputes citizens suffer so good luck lebanon. Good luck. i wish you the best. Of course anyways Let's move onto our last story of the day. That is out of sabra. Which is a company. That makes hub. Miss i love guys. I love hamas hamas amazing I must admit after in nacionales hamas and that's why he like swordfish So let's see. This is good alert about tuna steak. I mean that's better. I do know guys come up so anyways you guys can tell. Now that is the hamas dida. Very good food. If you have a traffic is the fact. That ian doesn't like it kind of says all you need to know anyways. The company which produces these tiny cups of hamas against sabra has called a recall of all of its products due to know not all of its products of some of its products Do to summit due to salmonella contamination. And that's you don't want salmonella It's not good. it's not deadly. It's very rarely deadly but it's annoying. Your stomach hurts. You don't feel that it's like food poisoning If you don't know what it is. And sam allen hamas. That's not good combination. I would trip me immediately at sea. A bowl of sabra hamas. I'd eat it you. Honestly i might get some some hamas but i'm still young days are life short i my immune system can handle it ian agrees of and so they are focusing on sixteen. Different states being sabra where total twenty one hundred practices of hamas where sent out a missile. These cases were delivered to and the next day. It's this is more of a warning to you guys not to buy sauber for the next few days they delivered to alabama arizona. Arkansas california florida. Indiana mississippi maine missouri bresca north carolina new jersey. Utah virginia washington and wisconsin fifty state song And so these packages were Discovered to possibly contain the disease because the fda were doing some reports there's giant global hamas were sticking their little salmonella salmonella detectors into the into the hamas in found out through in the homicide so it's be recalled Say this after. The recall was announced. No illness or consumer complaints have been reported to date in connection with this recall. So that's good. The bullet He wrote so. That's good and he said to you that that's what he wrote. I feel like it's a good hour really hard on. Thank you thank you. you're welcome so aka i'm Reporting this because of you do live in these states Which a lot of you have a lot of american listeners. Because you know where. American Be careful don't by cyber hamas i. I know it's tempted. I know it's tempting but yeah lesbian said by different types. Not just dumped by ominous. Oh like to share your opinions on ice cream while we're here tonight chairman. The last time you share them very livestream. I will tell them for you okay. He does not like ice cream. I usually get my food. Opinions are out of context. I said i don't like. I said i don't like ice cream. Compared to other desserts. I will eat ice cream. It's just it's not the best. It's cold the point of a dessert. I might. Is you wanna savory on enjoy it. if. I can't take a bite out of my out of my meal of my dessert kakker brownie or cookie. I want i like taking bites. If you take a bite of ice cream what happens. 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Rose Thompson Hovick, Stage Mother

The Dark Side Of

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Rose Thompson Hovick, Stage Mother

"Due to the graphic nature of this podcast listener discretion is advised this episode features discussions of child abuse, attempted infanticide sexuality sexual assault, pedophilia, and other adult content. We advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. Gypsy rose Lee. The most famous stripper in America had just released. Her auto biography. It was an instant hit with thousands of fans wanting to know the real story behind this witty, sexy woman so much so that in nineteen fifty seven musical theater producer David Merrick approached playwright. Arthur Lawrence to turn the book into a musical. But Lawrence wasn't interested. Sure. The real gypsy was soul. Tree funny and charming, but a successful striptease act didn't necessarily make a five star musical, then at a party one night, Lawrence met a woman who had known rose ho Vic gypsies now, deceased mother, she spun a tale of a vibrant and baffling woman who would do anything to make her daughters stars Lawrence had found his story. Two years later gypsy, a musical fable became one of the most successful musicals in American theatre history. Ethel Merman, who you just heard singing played the character of mama rose Lawrence show, exposed, America to the cruel intense, and larger than life story of a top notch stage mother for the first time but is shocking and over the top as mama rose in gypsy musical, fable is it doesn't hold a candle to the real rose. Hove. Acc. This is the dark side of apar- cast, original in this show, we delve into the CD underbelly of pop culture, icons and historical events. We aim to expose the ugly truth behind the cultural moments and public figures, we hold most dear proving that there is always more to the story than meets the eye this week. We'll take a look at some of Hollywood's most notorious stage moms willing to push their children to unbelievable extremes in their relentless pursuit of making their daughters stars at park cast. We're grateful for you. Our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at park, cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merchandise head to par cast dot com. Slash merch. For more information. Today audiences are familiar with the terrifying stage moms of reality series like toddlers in tiaras, and dance moms, but this overbearing morally questionable mother archetype goes back over one hundred years to the beginning of Hollywood itself, historically, these successful stage mothers have been applauded for their love and devotion to their children yet. They have also been criticized for their cruelty manipulation and cutthroats strategies. In fact, I today's psychology standards rose Hove, acc- would probably be diagnosed with narcissistic, personality, disorder, according to doctors calgor- Levy and yeoman's as referenced in the American journalists psychiatry the quote hallmarks of narcissistic, personality, disorder or N. P R grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people and. The need for admirations people with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self centered manipulative, and demanding. They may also have grandiose fantasies and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment these characteristics. Typically begin in early adulthood, and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships, essentially, an NPD person will be obsessed with success feel they or their children are uniquely deserving of the best and tend to ignore the feelings and needs of others often to the point of causing others physical or emotional harm to officially be diagnosed with NPD a person must consistently show. Five out of nine indicators as described by the DSM five official diagnostic tool rose Hove ACC had all night. Nine an amateur performer herself. She was known to believe that she was uniquely destined for greatness from a young age. She consistently believed social and legal rules, did not apply to her and expected others to go out of their way to appease, whatever demands, she had, however she was a middle class. Nobody from Seattle with no rational reason to believe she was this important other than her father's, modest wealth, and her better than average schooling. Her delusions of grandeur began as a pre teen. She was attending a Catholic boarding school and genuinely believed that God had created a special path for her and her alone to rise to greatness. She proved her point to the nuns by making paper dolls out of her bible pages, then pointing out that God's still provided her positive opportunities, her lying and need for the stage. Also began around this time rose wanted to join a local vaudeville stage act which was strictly prohibited rather than listen. She tricked the nuns into believing she was going home sick to her father in Seattle. Once the nuns realized she hadn't gone home. They launched a frantic search they found her a month later belting, her heart out center stage on the vaudeville circuits. She was twelve at the time rose had her first taste of stardom, and she wasn't going to let it go, even if life tried to get in the way at barely eighteen rose married. Her first husband John, Jack Hoving, in her hometown of Seattle, Washington, it was nineteen ten and rose was already one month pregnant with her first child, the birth was rough at a whopping twelve pounds, the baby tore up roses insides on the way out, rose, wouldn't fully recover from these wounds until she could afford surgery years later rose immediately believed her baby was unlike other children Ellen joon-ho Vick was born with the placental sac covering her face. A superstitious sign that the baby would be able to see the future this combined with her dark hair and dark eyes led to rose giving the baby the nickname of gypsy rose began entering Ellen June in beautiful baby contests almost as soon as she was born Ellen June's, first official win, at just one year old marked the beginning of her career and entertainment around the same time. Rose found out, she was pregnant again, she was horrified possibly because of the terrible, I birth experience and possibly because she didn't particularly like being a mother rose did not want to have another child. She tried to intentionally miscarry the child her attempts included. Throwing herself down the stairs, bathing and scalding water. Jabbing herself in the stomach and refusing food for days on end nothing worked. And in November of nineteen twelve a second baby was born, just about two years younger than her sister. The second baby was a much smaller child no doubt due to her mother's attempts to terminate the pregnancy. She was also the physical opposite of her sister. In addition to being tiny, she had beautiful blonde, curls and blue eyes light where her sister was dark as explained by psychiatrists Mark Benchick, MD narcissistic, mothers tend to see children as an extension of their own dreams as well as tools to achieve their own glory narcissistic. Parents also tend to have a favorite or golden child. Whom they give everything following both these narcissistic, patterns, rose, immediately transferred her love to her second baby so much so that she took her first child's name Ellen June and legally gave it to her second child. The new baby was called June for short, this left her first child needing a new name rose renamed the first child rose Louise since rose already went by rose. The eldest daughter was called Louise. She wasn't even to and she'd had her name taken from her twice while all of this was happening roses marriage of only three years was undergoing increasing turmoil. Rose was prone to verbally abusing her husband, then storming out with the girls, only to come back and blame the whole fight on Jack one particularly bad fight surrounded roses latest plan for turning her daughters into stars rose had found. A prestigious dance. Studio in Seattle that offered lessons for children. She took Louise in hopes of finding a hidden talent. Louise, who was just four years old. Did not have any natural rhythm she was clumsy and lagged behind the other girls, her age, baby, June. However, was a natural June waddled out onto the dance floor and without instruction mimic the other girls beautifully even rising up onto her toes and doing a perfect split both of which are incredibly difficult for a two year old child. Roses attention. Once again, shifted from her disappointing eldest daughter to her golden curled younger child, whom she saw as a prodigy the head of the dance school agreed and advised rose to bring June. Back in a few years, relatives protested her child had talent. She should begin right away. The instructor implored her to wait until June was at least seven to buy her point shoes. This was sound medical advice as the effect of point shoes on children, under seven has been acquainted to the damage and abuse of ancient Chinese footbinding, which literally broke bones deformed, girls adult feet rose wouldn't listen. She went home and excitedly told Jack that their daughter was a savant who needed ballet training, right away per doctors category. Levy and yeoman's in the American journalist psychology roses behavior here exemplifies, narcissistic, tendencies to fixate on greatness and believe the rules, do not apply to them while simultaneously ignoring the potential ill effects on others. But Jack refused to pay for point shoes or more lessons he was probably concerned for June's feet, but also for their precarious financial situation. Rose was furious. She accused Jack of trying to sabotage her and her children than stormed out of the house taking her kids with her. This behavior was not out of the ordinary usually after storming out, she would return and make up with Jack after all she needed his money. Then the cycle would repeat when she was particularly upset rose with threatened to take all of Jack's missteps and cruelties to the courts, not caring that many were exaggerated or entirely invented whether rose was actively planning for a divorce or her dramatic behavior made it inevitable in nineteen fourteen. She went to court the girls were just four and two respectively. To win a divorce rose had to prove that Jack was not upholding, the marriage contract rose claimed the Jack had forced them into poor living conditions. She described a damp and dreary apartment that damage the family's health, and then and even worse apartment in a bad part of town in reality. Both apartments were quite nice and well above Jack's modest budget. He had tried his best to please rose, but as psychiatrist Mark band check explains pleasing nurse assist is an impossible task rose absolutely horrified. The court when she explained that she'd had to file for a restraining order and nail all the doors and windows shut. After Jack stole furniture and beat their daughter Louise. It wasn't clear if either of these events, actually happened, but rose had incredible storytelling skills, and dramatic timing. The court was disgusted with Jack. Granting rose full custody, and monetary allowances Jack maintained for the rest of his life, that he hadn't done any of the things rose had claimed. And in fact, she had been the one who hit their daughter. He further maintained that rose was unpredictable often acting kind and loving one day, only to fly into a rage. The next day often over an imagined problem. She would throw him out of the house, then accused him of abandoning them in his most haunting. Recollection Jack described bringing home a kitten for his two beloved daughters. He watched them play with this week. Creature clearly enjoying themselves and pleased with their father. However, when Jack returned from work that day he found the poor cats, decapitated body, and severed head waiting for him on the floor of their home. Rose had left the bloody hatchet, she'd used to kill the kitten in the corner, according to doctors category, Levy and yeoman's p. People with narcissistic. Personality disorder are known for their ability to manipulate the emotions of audiences, and exaggerate, the offenses of those around them. They are also prone to being verbally abusive unstable and obsessive, they also can become incredibly jealous of anyone who gets attention from their loved ones such as children or spouses, roses behavior in her marriage, and it court. It's all of these indicators, free of her first marriage rose became immediately fixated, on finding a new husband who would understand how special her daughters were and happily bankroll their expenses. She found one within a year and a half his name was Judson Brennaman and he was a traveling salesman from Indiana, who made good money. They were married in Seattle in may of nineteen sixteen the girls were, now five and three despite Judson making decent money, and trying to comply with roses demand. Hands. The marriage lasted barely sixteen months ending in September of nineteen seventeen Judson did not give as many specific complaints, as Jack had. But the claims were similar he cited roses, astounding cruelty, that had caused him to quote suffer personal indignities ever since marriage rendering life, burdensome rose, once again, charmed, the court Judson was ordered to pay her two hundred dollars immediately and five hundred dollars the following year or a total of fifteen thousand dollars today adjusted for inflation with Jetsons money, in hand rose, rented a nice apartment in Seattle and immediately hatched a new scheme. She was going to make her girls. Vaudeville stars. Up next rows becomes the mother of all stage moms. Now back to the story. It was nineteen seventeen Twenty-seven-year-old rose Hove ACC had been divorced twice and one settlements in both cases. She was now living comfortably in Seattle, sending her four and six year old daughters to lessons at the best dance studio in town. She still dream defame so much so that she ignored the sound medical advice to wait to put her youngest in foot crushing point shoes rose bullied her father into helping pay for June's shoes and lessons when money ran tight and even convinced him to play the piano at our very first recital. This was absurd given that her father was vehemently against stage performance, but little June, who was just three years old was a rousing success. She was favorable write ups in Seattle, papers and rose soon had June booked at shows near weekly, then rose realized she could grow her children's. Fame by entering them into the vaudeville circuits. Vaudeville was a form of theatre popular in the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, it was a variety show, live performance, where ten to twelve acts would perform the comedy was typically crude and originally aimed at the all male audience on the frontier unestablished performers would present at individual theaters that allowed one off acts more serious groups would tour around a group of six to ten theaters across three or four states known as circuits more prestigious circuits required performers to gain the approval of circuit managers before they were allowed to perform on those stages. Performers range from amateurs, to full professionals and acts. Usually included comedy music, and dancing child. Decks were particularly popular rose thought baby June's, incredible dancing would do well with the Seattle's vaudeville audiences. However, from the get go rose. Did not treat her daughters equally for one rose told her daughters that they were fairy children, and that was part of why they were so special June was given the preferable treatment in the story, rose claimed she had found the girls in the pedals of plants June came from a beautiful rose while Louise came from a cabbage. This story essentially placed June as fundamentally superior to Louise, but still made Louise, more important than other normal children. Furthermore, rose, went out of her way to make June appear end Djelic and superhuman, this included, referring to her age as just three even as June grew older as well as styling June's costumes to accent, her gorgeous, curls, blond hair, and feminine charm June constantly got new Tutu's dresses and jewels to set her apart from other children to further accent, June's appeal. Rose used Louise to create a striking contrast between her daughter's, always at Louise's expense. The we's was forced to perform in her sister's act dressed, as a boy or an unattractive ensemble of too, tight shirt, clunky, Mary, Janes and a hat with a strap designed to give her a double chin rose also shower June with attention constantly coaching. Her seeing to her cuts and bruises and forcing her to try out new routines. Some of this attention was appalling. For instance, June needed someone to see to her medical needs since her grueling dance schedule was literally breaking her little body. But to Louise, it was all the same attention. She would never get because she was the unwanted daughter, this structure of the golden child, and the unwanted child is typical of narcissists in her book, the legacy of destr-. Sorted love. Carol mcbride. PHD explains. How narcissists make sure their children? Do not grow up with positive sibling relationships, typically by creating jealousy between them by preventing the children from depending on each other the narcissistic, parent ensures that the child will be dependent on the parents, love and attention. And therefore is able to control the children more easily as a result. The golden child develops a narcissism mimicking personality with they believe their parent is harmless, and that the golden child is, in fact, unique and entitled to special care, the unwanted child develops issues with abandonment perfectionism and a desperate need for approval. This is exactly what started happening with June and Louise, the valuing of one child above the other could be taken to extremes. For example, Louise, had some major dental problems, including. Listed sharp front teeth, that cut her lip as well as a growing number of cavities knowing this Louise's, grandfather started, saving up to send her to the dentist rose found out about the fund and stole that money for new point shoes for June rose didn't just steal money from her ex husbands, and her father. If another vaudeville performer had a better act. She would steal it June later recalled in a memoir that none of their material was really ever their own. They took the best parts of other acts and edited them and the acts rose, stole word exactly child appropriate. One of June's performances relied on the humor of tiny girl. Singing the lyrics of jaded older woman who had a poorly performing sexual partner June was three or four when she sang, it Louise on the other hand was given a crude tomboy routine that made fun of Louise's lack of. Minen charm Louise's, developed insecurity, about her femininity that lasted her entire life. The performance also required five year old Louise to lift up her skirt in a sexual manner. Typically, this was met with catcalls from grown men in the audience, rose sawn no problem with this, however, June in Louise's act was bringing in steady money and they were even getting positive reviews in local newspapers. Her daughters were going to be stars, and she would do whatever it took to get them there as the girls hit their limits in the Seattle vaudeville world rose, set her sights on a new target Hollywood. Rose saved up money to take June on regular trips to Tinseltown. But began to see Louise as an expensive nuisance. Once she even tried to get rid of Louise by sending her off to relatives if Rose's father hadn't found out about it Louise may have been abandoned altogether. After that, the weeds began working hard to be as perfect as possible, so that her mother would love her. She began to learn how to so costumes, and write better lyrics all at the ripe age of six in hopes of making herself indispensable. But all of Rose's attention went to baby June. She was convinced that June was a prodigy and would fly into a rage at anyone who disagreed once the family was able to meet on Apollo, one of the most famous ballerinas in the world, rose asked if June was a natural dancer when Pablo via insisted it was too early to tell. June's precious feet had not yet developed enough to support her rose. Swore at her and said, she knew nothing only days later rose appeal to the L A times, for a write up on June's abilities in the interview, she claimed that Pablo had endorsed June. She even Bill June's act as baby June, the pocket-sized Pablo Vaa, LA, life, wasn't easy on June, who was just three or four, however rose was still telling people she was only two since it sounded better rose work June hard, whenever they were in LA. Their days were packed with auditions performances, and intense practice, June complied stoically, never arguing with her mother, even as this activity slowly broke her young body. Rose was convinced it was the only way to get into the movies, and June did, whatever mother asked those would stay in Hollywood until the money ran out. Then go. Home to Seattle and beg for more from her father. She always seemed to find more money and the girls. Never got a break in their intense rehearsal schedules. They should have been starting school, but rose saw no need for that. She felt schools would taint her babies, and besides they wouldn't have the time to rehearse or the freedom to travel and perform. Rose was also neglecting, basic hygiene, knees such as teaching the girls to brush, their teeth, she believed strangely that brushing would remove the enamel from their teeth and caused them, cavities, meanwhile, Louise's twisted teeth were beginning to cause her pain, but rose didn't want to spend any money on them money was often tight, since it all went to costumes and travel rose often stayed with her father instead of paying for an apartment but it wasn't enough. So she found another way to stretch the checkbook, she and the girls began stealing clothe. Adding, jewelry, and valuables from other performers while backstage. Feroze. It was all justifiable as the success started to come in June was taking off beginning to get bit parts in Hollywood. She was dubbed the Hollywood baby and was particularly popular with directors because she would do what ever her mother told her June's obedience was probably due to having her mother only give her affection when she did, as she was told it also helped that rose would do anything to get the take including telling four year old June. Her dog had died to get real tears, while they were developmentally damaging roses tactics were affective, and made June desirable child, actress, she began getting small parts in motion pictures, and in nineteen eighteen Harold Lloyd, who was famous as Charlie Chaplin at the time sought June out for his films, June wasn't the only one doing well in Hollywood. Rose was only in her early twenties and quite beautiful young single men began proposing to her regularly rose loved the attention and love to talk about how a woman should never trust a man. She turned down every suitor, but not until after taking the expensive engagement rings. They bought her, she was known to always have two or three on her fingers. But roses optimism was bigger than her management capabilities despite some early success. June's motion picture career came to a halt as June turned four other girls started getting parts over her rose kept lying about her age, but it didn't help while it's unclear. Why other girls were cast over June rose? Insisted it was because she refused to sleep with the directors like the other girls mothers were doing. It's impossible to know if this is true or the excuse of someone with an PD. Frustrated and out of money, rose. Swore off Hollywood after about a year and a half of moderate success. She returned her girls to Seattle full-time now focused on making it big on the Pacific northwest vaudeville circuit, which spanned about seven major towns and cities in Washington, Oregon, and northern California to get into the local circuit rose would have to have her daughters act officially picked up by a booking agent to do that. She needed an act rose created a touring show called baby June and her pals mimicking, the style of the most successful children's vaudeville acts to really nail the style, she needed a third child. She added a young boy named Kenny, she met through the dance school convincing his parents that she'd make him famous rose forced the three kids to rehearse endlessly and took every audition or performance. She could it paid off in. One thousand nine nineteen. They got a touring offer in the northwest circuit to the tune of about one hundred dollars a week or roughly five thousand dollars today with the new money, rose expanded her operation touring, the kids around the northwest vaudeville circuit across Washington, Oregon, and northern California. They took her father's car for travel since it was cheaper than the train, she became the girls fulltime manager and all the money they made went to food travel, and more costumes rose wanted to make it all the way to the orpheum on the east coast, which was the most prestigious circuit in the country to do that. She needed an excellent resume for her girls. As the act traveled around the north west in nineteen nineteen and nineteen twenty rose began a new problematic habit. She started acquiring animals, primarily dogs and insisting they travel everywhere, with the show including hotels, this meant their days on the road, often involved, rose three children, three or four dogs and sometimes rats and Guinea, pigs crammed into a single car with all their props in clothes rose insisted on saving money by feeding the children coffee, and toast for breakfast, and cheap Chinese takeout for dinner, but she always made sure the animals could eat. This was another extension of her need to play the girls against each other. Now they were pitted against the animals for faction as their act, succeeded rose expanded the operation by the early nineteen twenties. They had six backup boys more dogs and the pet. Monkey. They began touring the rest of the country, making it into increasingly prestigious circuits in the mid west and east coast rose had always had the most success pitching June as a three year old so she began forging birth certificates to keep June's age low, as a result, June genuinely believed. She was two years younger than she really was her tiny body made the claim believable. As the group succeeded June began to develop an ego, and Louise began to spiral into obsession with perfectionism. It was Louise who made costumes Louise, who offered suggestions for their acts and often Louise, who kept track of the children and took care of her mother's growing menagerie. This phenomenon is known as parental notification. Louise felt jealous that she'd never be pretty or graceful June. So she began reading and studying when she could she liked words, and she liked being smart, June on the other hand got better at manipulating people as she got older. Sometimes she would refuse to perform to get her mother to buy her something other times, she would cry in front of hired help to get her mother to fire them during their travels rose, also had a lot of men come around to their hotel rooms. And she was very inappropr-. Create in house. She let them interact with her girls June later reported that many of these men would have her and possibly Louise, put their little hands down the men's trousers the girls, barely seven and nine didn't understand this pedophilia behavior, June later commented. It was a miracle neither of them was ever raped following the patterns of her. First, two marriages rosewood butter up a suitor, use his money and tell the girls to treat him nicely as soon as she tired of him. She'd kick him out the girls grew used to it her pattern changed when the act visited Detroit in the early nineteen twenty s while they're rose met Murray. Gordon eggleston. He fell for roses beauty at first sight she fell for his silk tie leather shoes. And imported briefcase rose still had her eye on the orpheum circuit and to even get a meeting, she needed an agent. All the ones she'd met had been shady or wanted a large percentage. She had come up with a better plan. She would create her own agent. Initially Gordon wasn't sure he was a soda pop salesman. Not an agent but row sweet talked him convincing him the sales, skills overlapped, if nothing else he was good with money rose didn't stop there. She fell in love with Gordon or at least seduced him. The two were married soon after Louise hated him. She was old enough by now to realize another person in her mother's life was just more competition for her love, but Gordon was excellent for the act for their finances and for the girls success with Gordon on the team rose set her sights on the orpheum in New York City. Coming up. We'll take a look at the Hovis girls, success in New York before a shocking downturn. Now back to the story. It was the early nineteen s June and Louise Hoven where season successes in the national vaudeville scene. Louise was only nine and June was just seven though, the younger sister, firmly believed, she was only four and a half due to Rose's habit of pretending June was younger to get more gigs. The routine was shaken up some by the addition of Murray, Gordon Eggleston who is strict and professional strangely, despite marrying rose, Gordon insisted on sleeping in a separate room. Gordon, also corrected some of Rose's neglect. He finally got Louise's teeth looked at insisted on better nutrition for the troop and attempted to limit the number of animals rose card around. He even had rose get reconstructive surgery for the wounds, she'd sustained when she gave birth to Louise. Gordon also found ways to save money. He switched from expensive train travel. Two, two used cars now that they had to adults to drive them. He also saved the group money by deciding not to pay the six boys in the troop, any salary insisting to their parents that the exposure was payment enough. I view years, the group was golden, they were booked constantly and slowly climbing toward that dream of the orpheum theatre, but roses strange behaviors slowly caught up with them. I the menagerie of animals rose had slowly collected often got them kicked out of hotels. Second roses tendency to steal other acts and encourage her daughters to steal costumes wigs and money began to cause ill-will with other performers. One of the troops lowest points was went in January nineteen Twenty-three the police interrupted a performance in Rochester, New York. They marched down the aisles onto the stage, put coats around the children, and escorted them to the waiting police van the children were taken for neglect, and failing to meet educational standards rose pleaded with the officers to let the kids go pointing out that they were healthy and well-clothed when the offer. Officers wouldn't budge she called her father in Seattle and had him wire. His best lawyer, the kids were released that night. And when rose appeared in court a few months later, she convinced the judge to let them off. He agreed under the stipulation that rose higher, the children, a Tudor rose did but fired her shortly after for some exaggerated offense. However, she instructed the girls to refer to their tutor. If police questioned them this seems to have worked while the act was getting more popular June in Louise's childhoods were getting more scandalous. They were allowed to roam backstage around CD hotels between shows often seeing inappropriate sexual behavior between adults once the even walked in on a man having sexual intercourse with the lion. He used in the show, still rose pushed hard through the early nineteen twenties and the group succeeded in one of the highest. Moments of Rosa's life. They finally were accepted to the orpheum theatre around nineteen twenty five. But the success was short lived June, who had been forced for nearly a decade to push your body to its extremes had a breakdown at just thirteen years old, though. She believed she was ten her body was a mess and her mind, couldn't handle the stress the doctor prescribed two weeks in bed, and no performing rose refused to wait. Louise, tried to take over the act, but she was still awkward in bony. She was intellectual where her sister had been graceful, and Baletic things were simultaneously going downhill, with Gordon, who eventually left, putting them in financial strain June never fully recovered and was only becoming more rebellious. She and rose fought more and more often and rose even punch June in the face. Louise, tried to placate everyone any way she could on one particularly bad day. She made them all new. Oats as this often lifted spirits. However, the one, she made for her beloved monkey accidentally suffocated it in its sleep. Louise was heartbroken. Then in nineteen twenty eight at just sixteen years old, June eloped with one of the boys from the act Bobby read when rose found out. She had the police track him down. She went down to the station with her gun rose aimed at Bobby. She tried to shoot. Let the bullet held she hadn't taken the safety off her gun. The police wrestled the weapon away from rose. Bobby was safe. And his marriage was legal rose was furious that her baby who she'd put so much time in energy and hope into had betrayed her. She disowned June and June and Bobby left for good Louise, who is just barely eighteen felt like she finally had an opportunity to be her mother's favourite and earned the families keep and Louise tried she recycled acts. She tried to sing and dance. She even got a brief acting gig on a film, but the final blow to the vaudeville circuit came in November of nineteen twenty nine when the stock market crashed the money dried up and things were dire. This was when Louise barely eighteen had to take family matters into her own hands. She decided to dance burlesque. Rose was initially appalled, burlesque was considered base and rose didn't want to forfeit their reputations, but there was almost no vaudeville work to be had and to women and ten are so assorted animals needed tweet, Louise's created a persona and began to dance making her own costumes and jokes for her performances and Louise was good at it. She wasn't the sexiest dancer, but her act was funny and smart causing it to stand out as she began to succeed rose did a one eighty and was suddenly all support for her performing daughter, just as rose had once given Louise's name to June rose now gave all her work on June two. Louise. It was now Louise, who had been prodigy dancer Louise, who had been on screen in Hollywood Louise, who rose coached incessantly rose came down hard on Louise's looks. She was five nine and not very curvy rose encouraged her to diet, constantly to the point that Louise only Siptah vegetables smoothie for sustenance and was often dizzy, and undernourished burlesque was still risky performers regularly were arrested and had trouble finding other work. That was why Louise decided to use a stage name. She combined her childhood nickname, and her mother's name into gypsy, rose Lee, the first years, were hard and roses behavior sunk to new depths once when the mother daughter duo was camping outside of town to save money. On hotels rose heard someone shuffling around outside. It was probably a homeless person rose produced a gun Louise's didn't even know she owned and shot the man, she refused to acknowledge what she'd done and asks Louise to help her bury what she called a dead cow. There was a second murder when rose shoved a booking agent out a window. She got off on self defense, but it's unclear what instigated the fight records indicate that without a male manager. Rose was victim to inappropriate sexual advances by booking agents in res weathered, all of this helping manage her mother's strange moods and taking roses brutal advice in order to succeed on the stage within two years. Gypsy was turning heads and attracting major attention in the nineteen thirties. She signed with the biggest agent in the country. Bill Minsk eighty June finally came to see her performances estrange two years now and was shocked at what she saw. Their mother had turned her sister into a brilliant confidence. Strip dancer completely going back on all the morals. She had preached gypsy became a rousing success over the next four years. Hours, but burlesque was a hard life. She was frequently arrested in raids on the burlesque theaters, and had to feel the advances by overly enthusiastic fans in one humiliating episode she also found out that a secret admirer she had been corresponding with was actually her mother pretending to be a fan in order to boost gypsies confidence, and keep her away from dating the impacts of her mother's strange parenting, and constant manipulation were clear across gypsies life. She was anxious. She didn't trust men but was desperate for approval. She wanted to be perfect at everything Louise, eventually tried to distance herself by putting her mother up in a nice house in the suburbs. So that Louise's could live, her own adult life, but rose couldn't stand being sidelined and complained that Louise was actively, forcing her into poor conditions grows. Then sued Louise for not taking. Oppor care of her. Meanwhile Louise worked herself to the bone paying for the limo. Her mother road to court in and the lawyer her mother sued her with. Roses reign of terror only came to an end when she came down with colorectal cancer in the early nineteen fifties in one thousand nine hundred fifty four at sixty three years old rose, ho, Vic died of cancer complications. For the first time in her life Louise was free to tell her full story without fear of repercussions two years later. She released her autobiography the autobiography was adapted into a wildly successful Broadway musical, which, unfortunately, drove the final wedge between June and Louise, June was angry at what she saw as an unfair portrayal of their mother Louise was gracious in accepting her sisters, loyalty to the woman who had been so cruel to her after all Louise was loyal to rose as well. Regardless of June's protests rose was forever. Immortalized in Lawrence successful stage show. Gypsy, a musical fable for the first time, America was exposed to the dark world of stage bombs roses impact outlived her as June became a successful Hollywood, actress, and Louise REM. Rained a famous entertainer. However, both women struggled with body image and relationships until they died, June ho Vic was physically weak and emotionally, unstable all her life, and gypsy rose. Lee was never able to maintain a relationship fix her damage teeth or let go of the perfectionism that had been drilled into her. She was never able to separate entirely from her abusive mother and worried about her weight through her death rose. Ho Vics story is shocking, but it isn't entirely unique. Neither was her negative impact on the psychology of her successful, daughters stage. Moms were and are prevalent throughout the history of Hollywood. We only chose one outrageous, tragic story to share today, these larger than life mothers succeed in their goals to make stars of their daughters, but our Uttar failures at roles typically associated with mothers, nurturing supporting and protecting. Their children. They proved that fame is attainable to those who are willing to pay the price. But these children never had a choice in entering that contract. And as long as there's a stage calling, there will be mother's desperate to fill it. Thanks for listening to the dark side of next week. We'll be back with more on the dark side of Hollywood. You can find all of par cast shows on Spotify, and anywhere. You listen to podcasts, if you enjoy the show, the best way to help is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at parkas network. We'll see you next time. The dark side of was created by max Cutler is a production of Cutler media and is part of the park cast network. It is produced by max and Ron Cutler, sound designed by Michael Lang's ner with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Liebskind. Additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Carly Madden this episode was written by Taylor Cleland and stars Kate Leonard, and Richard Rosner.

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Unlocking Christmas

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Unlocking Christmas

"This is a bramble jam. Podcast manifield back right here. i'm brian. I love hallmark christmas movies. Man up some base in my mic. Okay hey. I like the whole part christmas movies. There's no way i can follow. That was straight fire. Only just a dream. I love nelly. Christmas movies and i'm dan and this is the hallmark podcast. All right okay. Okay okay okay okay. Dry everybody down. That row brain loves that song to get only just a dream by nelly to brandon as many forms as possible brandon. Home dot com. Is there to talk to you. A tiktok video. Make your own music video. I don't dislike the song. Oh no no no no. That was not the reaction that you had when when pana started singing in earlier i am the one who actually launched all this accident. I don't know why that song was on my mind. Because i haven't heard i was shocked that you guys were as a new high on it as possible. Here's the deal. I love nelly air force. One one best songs ever plural. Nope one just one january. How many ones just one to to to to to pair okay. I got stomping in my air force. I was at the top of. But now i feel like i'm in the basement. 'cause i do podcast for living. Hey if you have love someone put your hand. that's right. we're talking about unlock. This is my favorite episode. I don't care about the reviews. I don't care about the bitch that people don't like it the beginning you're two minutes. Nellie gold. i'm just telling you right now. That's good guys speaking of reviews. Dan i love it when you bring up the reviews because i love when we get review. I love when we get the reviews. We just a new. And i want it because it was so kind. It's from From x. rutger man so not in the subject line. Is my escape begging. You begging you begging you to mega royalties today. Wrote nelly. just a dream. Yeah in this strange year hallmark movies and this podcast are part of my coping mechanism which i never thought i would say that's fair. My wife loves the movies. But until this year i have been more team brand. I now find myself on team panda as his team. Dan and now he's team painted a win. We'll we'll see if we can take it to the tape right now. Yeah go live listen back go live listen back. I'm also convinced that if we ever met. The boys and i would be best friends. One hundred percent correct. I think we are and so. Please go to apple podcast. Please leave a review. We love the reviews. They make us happy unless they don't unless they make us sad. They're mean than. I don't sleep you don't sleep. You can't rewind a lot. What disappoint disappointment. Slow on the draw draw always on right about the brand. You're never write about almost anything. I'm with brand new. Thank you very seldom. Seldom them hurt urging. Yeah hey guys. How's your wiegand bryan. Let me tell him. It had some real highs and lows in there but the top down in the basement. I yeah it was. It was a row. If you ever any your entire life love. Someone have loved literally any what. I want to see your hands. But both of them both love can do about thorough. It's what it says anybody. That's the bridge. They went with if you've ever love somebody trillions Yes we're talking about unlocking christmas the last movie of the week and then we only have one week left. That's it for more movies after this feels like it's starting to sting starting to hurt a lot of people. Ask us this. We do the podcast. You're right we do we do. You can listen. We do the christmas spirit. And everybody loves the previous episodes. We're going to be previewing all five of the new year new movies because it's not winter festival more new year's new movies movies on On the twenty nine. I don't i need to do that first. Of all previous you're dumb but second of all the first one's a hockey movie with luke macfarlane in it. I mean why are we doing the rest of them. I mean come on and asked. Nobody knows hockey like homework. Then the eleventh. They have the movie that was shelled last new year. That's right so a two year old movie. I don't why okay. Here's my question. Lead radi save. I know julie from a friend. I have plenty to talk about in the preview episodes. Don't you worry game. We may even be able to get out a whole preview up for every movie. I think we'll get a preview up and then on thursday. The thirty first for new year's eve join rig trace for the countdown to the new year. They're going to be going live at one. Am on the thirty first going. I've all day long. They're going to be done at nine pm. They won't be counting down but it's going to be a great be playing all of their favorite songs. They've asked for no permission or royalties from any artists. That's correct and they're doing fashion advice and fashion looking at people in their new year's outfits yes going on earth cam dot com or dot going different cities with whether camps. You popping them up and seeing we can see an en- judging them from afar. There's some real logo zooming back doesn't help much tomorrow forbes. What off your. That's having a new year's eve everybody The reagan trace new year's extravagant. It's must miss as there is going to be a winter fest new movies new me. Same you pre and there's gonna be a christmas look back at some point right. The christmas looked back. Those only number wasn't plus thing. Do you think bill will come on this year We should ask him. I don't think he's seen all this year guys Has a oh or has he or is he on the line right now. Trace go to it i guess bill your favorite ones. The time traveling carousel no peddler. It's always pack. That's terrible evidence. Pretty good we're talking about online. Abbott and costello december thirteenth twenty twenty s when it originally aired a little. Something like this. Cates is a new doctor in town And she's starting at her new hospitals doing the fellowship. It was not her first choice but surely her first choice won't come a call and kevin is home for the first time in six years because he's been in the military he's actually moving home. He's going to be working at his dad's hardware store and he might. Be taking. It over nudge nudge from dad. She goes to pick up coffee for everybody at the hospital on her first day and on our way out from the coffee shop. She's got nine coffee. She bumps into kevin. She manages to to not poor all the coffee on him crisis averted. He's a having some leg pain so his mom makes them go. See dr kate and they have another awkward interaction. Chummy chummy funny funny one evening. Kate gets a ring at the doorbell and she goes to check in. no one. is there except a box. And the same exact thing happens to kef inside the boxes a key and a riddle they have until tomorrow night to figure out what. The key unlocks using the riddle. Now they both figure it out relatively quickly and they show up surprised to see each other now. Luckily there is two keys. There's a mailbox two slots and so they go and they unlock it. They open it up and inside to envelopes one on love says. Open me the other says. Don't you dare pick. And they opened up the the one and they realized that they're gonna have to work together to recreate some things to do some christmas traditions with one. And they're like nah outta here but they come around to it and decide. It's time to team up. The envelopes lead into doing christmas activities together. They figure out riddles together and it means they spend a lot of time together. They even thank god. Create a festive video for the troops in case you were wondering minute. It's been about a couple of weeks. Since we've mentioned the troops homer those in its way they are not s- so they are hanging out the getting closer they getting closer and they start getting nervous because she's going to be leaving in a year and because she's only fellowship and and he gets a job offer that's gonna take them to california it's going to force them to move but they are getting really close. What are they gonna do then. She gets an offer from her first choice fellowship to come and join them immediately after the holidays and she's not sure if she should take because she's really liken kef cavs not sure if you should go to california because she's really liking cates. What do we do well. Naturally you don't talk about it She hears about his job offer. And it's like oh that's going to happen. Ah she goes to save this so she goes to kind of address. Situation like hey. I heard that you have this job offer. And as she walks in he's turning down the job but naturally naturally she hasn't hear him turning down the job she hears him saying how amazing the job bus be they they really dot com. It's worth So she overreact sh- she's like listen. I'm leaving. I gotta go right now. It's the end of you and me. And he is blown away at this because he's turning down the job but then she finds out that what she thought he was doing. He's not doing and kevin discovers that his mom and dad were behind the scavenger hunt the entire time. How why when doesn't matter but they're behind it. Apparently it happened when they were younger and they decided. Let's do that to they. Go on a sleigh ride together. They make up. They both say they're going to stay in cedar park they kiss. And that's my friends was lucky cresson. That's exactly rights We did do like checking off. No no synopsis. Cross that threat. Well we're gonna take a quick break. We're going to hear rick. You're looking good over there. Bryan thank you. What's the thing you got a whole schedule. plan for. cardigan cardigan. Here excited about car. To our where you tracked down people wearing heart against the law love is say that you love me the opening my new year's festival really the calling oldman up. You're having a festival festival. How are you going to do. The show. i'd live from the your trace is going to be there. you go. That's right boss. Dropping baltusrol everybody. Everybody is socially distanced fierce. You know like those and clear. Globes is going will clear clear glove near years. That's jingle we have ryan tara from one republic. He passed on doing it. Ryan grim is next on facebook between the cartoons and ryan greta. I think they're going places guys. Let's take a quick break. If you don't mind we'll come back. We'll talk about christmas here on the hallmark. Oh man it feels good to be back. I was worried. I want to take that break. I just wanted to dive into this movie. I was scared. It was going to feel a natural coming back. Feels good feels feels good. It feels real good. Talking holbrooke about were worried a little unnatural was what he was. Just man yes. Wanna talk about this media breakdown. I'm thinking we start with the hot. Take we go from there. We'll see where the world takes us hot. Its share exactly. I don't hold back panda break. Some ground zero breaks ground. We have to comment bramble jim. Plus you can watch this actual live both said it. Was you said team brain by the way right. Go ahead paying hot take. So here's the deal this movie. This movie is freaking fantastic. First of all love it. I love the snappy dialogue. i love the plot. I had a blast. I feel like for the most part. It's airtight there's a couple of things that are a little shaky will find this way in the top five possibly. May i think that this has the potential to knock off the twelfth day of christmas for me I loved steve. Steve lines is have we seen him in something. Before st lows in the show that won a bunch of emmy's s. c. h. itt apostrophe s. Inc really yes. that who. he's fine. He's in there for five episodes. We're not going to go any further than that. He looks dive into his very different normally than he doesn't. This movie is a delight in this movie. He starts off as somebody. I did not like by the end of the movie. I'm all four. And i think he's character is often this Taylor i thought she was in this. I really enjoyed her characters. Well How fun with this movie. The mystery was was there But i had fun all throughout. I don't know anyone who could rank this less because this is one we don't even know where you're ranked by guarantee you. It's you don't know anyone who could rank it less than we don't you not giving it a ranking. I don't remember i have taught. Date is four or five. I don't know it might be five. This might be. I'll call it five okay. But it's a potential for you answered. You don't know of anyone who could rank it less could be you. Dan has stephen homers. He's been a bunch but none that we've seen like two or three that we before we were watching. This is the second hand a coal movie he was in the art of us with taylor has seventeen up. For fatty s. yes. I thought it was a fun movie. I also love steve lund. He was a child in this movie. And i thought it was wonderful And yeah it's a lot of fun really fun together and you know Ah quite stick for me. We'll get to that. It didn't it. Didn't quite stick but the process. I had a lot of fun with is i would say this is the big. This is the big surprise. Maybe of the year for me. Like i didn't i. You know this you get the december and they're just kinda throwing things away at this point it's like let's just get to the. Let's just fill it up to forty and This one felt right. it felt good. And i enjoyed. This is a movie that all hinges on two parents coming up with an elaborate scheme to set their child up with a complete stranger. Because someone did it to them. It's like a horror movie. Pay it forward. It's like someone you know like it was the like. We didn't have a set us up with clues and riddles and keys and whatnot and we just met this girl. She literally is in town for a day and they do it for their own son. I know what do you want for like. she's a dot. Here's the thing is there you go. We didn't think you think that this movies aired became on the same night as the time traveling carousel movie. And this one is actually more bonkers. That's twist is that the time. Travelling care sale looks more bunkers. But it's just a normal movie. This movie looks normal. it's actually bonkers and it is far more memorable than than The time traveling carousel movie. That starred christmas comes twice and the two leads are having a absolutely blast. It make no mistake. This movie is awful. It's terrible it it. The entire foundation of this movie is creeper parents that were set up by another unnamed. Creeper okay it's bad. I've never seen steve lund by. Want more steve lund stevens statute they load civil and what stephen stat stat. Taylor cole was adorable in this movie. This might be my favorite by her. She's never bat. She's never bad. But i liked her. She felt very natural in this Those two are having a ball making this movie. They don't care that the it's preposterous. And because of that it is definitely going to be in the top half of my movies of the year. It'd probably. I don't know i don't know where it will be. It will be. It's better than what we've gotten most of the year. If that makes sense sure but make no mistake. No sense at all zero. It does not make sense. Yeah let's get it all the fields. Let's talk about feels first before we dive into the sentence and whether or not there's any to be had any feels free. Yeah first of all. I want to just give shout out to every dad who's ever had to build a crib without instructions before it happened to me. We got some may. Very graciously gave us a crib and but it had no instructions on a- came with whatsoever and i had to figure out how to build it by myself and what would probably take most people. A couple hours took me six hours and then with crib. Don't help pitchers imagine. Imagine this screw if it was coming at you. We're not going to draw. That'd be like the screws like this. You'll get figuring it out. It took me three trips. We didn't even have all the hardware necessary for it. Was a mess eighty. I would've come listen if we had more money. At that time. I looked at my wife. I was like. Can we do it. She was like we. Don't have the money i said we figured out. Where's that credit card. But legitimately i felt that in my soul when that guy was trying to construct that and he was terrified also when she kinda shush is him. He starts talking about way once in the video. Like he's like. I want a panoramic view. And she looks at she goes just. That's a fun seemed to me. I felt like that showed a little bit of their chemistry together overall. They have a lot moments like that. But that was just one small example of all the feels for me and then just honestly man They're just. They were just sweet together. We loved it. I mean i gotta tell you. There's a c. c. plot storyline. Yes about this old is where the web md and he can't figure it out and third through this whole movie every time he comes back up. I'm just like i do not care about this. This isn't what i care about. I want to go back to the what they're doing. And figuring out the clues and stuff we get to the point where taylor kohl's character figures out that he's just missing his wife around. The holiday season hottest were huge for her. And it's just it's literally hurting him his his loss and so he incurred. She encourages him to go in experience. Crispus to do some christmas activities And version of have yourself mary lou. Christmas by sleeping lasts a second sleeping at last gresh actually one of my favorite conditions of that song sleeping at last. We'll put you to sleep if you listen to a full album but in singles fantastic and it's a great version and he he's crying as this version starts to play and you see him walking down the festival as snowfalls and the childlike wonder begins to go back and into his face. And you see it. You see him lighting up you see the joy entering and to his body and it was a beautiful scene. It was a character. That i didn't care about s- but it it works at the end of the day works. It was wonderful. The version of the sunday played to make that point To drive that home it all worked for me. Van tastic. I loved him. Yeah i'll piggyback on that. We had a character adad character. Who lost a child in the christmas doctor who gives a scene one scene performance that is phenomenal. This guy's name is roger done. That's the actor's name who plays mr mcallister. You're very cheese pizza. I you're welcome for that and you're right every i've i have figured out that. This is one of my least favorite tropes and hallmark. Movies is the doctor on rotation in newtown. Is it's now happen at least four times came came in berets. Don't think twice in movies. it's a dump trope. And they always had the old guy who thinks he's sick and they're all the time and this was one of those times and then they give this guy some room to play and to to actually act the scene where he's thinking about it all and then the subsequent scene where he gives taylor called the gift. I think both worked immeasurably. Well big fan of those scenes and that that part of the movie. I thought really really worked for me. I'm really glad you love this movie. Dan did not love the movie. It's a ridiculous movie. That's very terrible. And i'll never watch it again. Let's let's take a quick break but and this defense even the ones you like you wouldn't you're not gonna watch again shrew. You're not going out of your way to watch snow bride odyssey. When i say again that needs to be clarified. Like you're you're right. None of these movies would be movie. That i'd sit down and watch again having said that There would be only a few that. If someone else was watching i would not leave the room And that would be snow. Broad delivered by christmas Five star christmas. Probably all would be. If i come on over pop in in the vhs Delivered by christmas urine. I'm no we're not. We're not having a night where we do that. Just broke and record. The movie to vhs is on the way. I accidentally taped over true lies. No wound again. The how many copies do you have. Team jamie lee. Curtis arnold schwarzenegger started with eighty. Wow yeah i keep taping when when blockbuster went out of business north not too long ago. Got all eighty. Why did they have any copies of tries. It might be why they went. But that's because i was the rig off you're starting at one. Am one am going until nine. P. as its nasr babe. What's happening at five. Pm five pm. We have the local carolers coming by. Are they saying in christmas. No they're not last. Sure that'd be dumb brain not as right. after christmas. the local carolers who now out of work asked him to see all young mc songs not just to move all. The old wants to take group break. We'll be right back here on the whole. Welcome back every we're here we're talking about whether or not we're allowed to say things are not. Hey you guys ready dive into the way. What's yeah sure pain listen. He just doesn't have that many not a lot. Because it's tight over a page Let's see first of all. I guess we. I know you guys think that all right the reindeer race. I want to go there please. He says he is the reigning reindeer. Champion race sick brag bro. Which is a sick brag but second of all. I don't understand the reindeer race actually is because to me. It just seems like it's it's just a one off. You grab a group of people you race and then you're done but is there a tournament structure. Kevin studies writing champ. Yeah four year. He didn't say he is the reigning was. He said he wanted. Only hearing is. Is there tournament structure here. There isn't it's just you grab one and you. You end up racing. His grandpa would always build the christmas town every year. He said on christmas day the little christmas. I heard all that. Except for on christmas dead and hear that part but he say you build a on christmas day which question is why would you 'cause he would come on over in the morning to help his grandpa bill down on christmas morning. My question is if you're building christmas town. Why why would you wait till christmas morning to build it. That's a lot of complexity. It seems to me as if you would want to enjoy a little bit longer. My dad used to build a like a little train setup around christmas and we would always build it early so that we could go ahead and enjoy it. And then finally i guess the only thing is the parents Kind of lean into the possibility that no one is going to find these these packages or these other things that they've set up around and they are leaning pretty heavily in a series of coincidences. That i mean they're paying a lot of faith and the stock in the fact that they're going to follow through on a particular day on some. Yeah what happens if literally anyone else shows up at the museum and sees that box and opens it and one letter says open me and the other one says no peeking. Yeah i thought. And that's kind of i think i think that's maybe a little bit of a stretch yet. No we'll put a box out in the open where anyone can find worn notre ciders and then the letters. Yeah says no peeking yeah. I thought that wasn't great. But real bad movies awesome. I will say. I only have to wait. What's that's now one is. She only has eight moving boxes. That's what she says to down six to go. That applies only we boxing cruiser. My last one is the entire thing down at the end of this movie night. Just run down the entire thing. Yeah the entire thing. I want to quickly tell you what happens in the last fifteen minutes of this movie my guy gets an offer for a job in california. He talks to his dad about his dad. Says if you wanna go go follow your heart go dry. The rest at this movie is him realizing that his parents were behind a ploy for in the fall in love and stay in this town just like they did to horror movie. I wanna sunday go to stranger with someone. They are not met because someone did it to. Someone did it to them she doctor. It's it's like a pennywise the clown like every seventeen years like thirty four years ago. Somebody did into those two jokers. What's what the homeworks to be. Had in this scenario so i will save them but i just like everything he said to his son. I want you to be happy wherever it takes. You go if you have this job you should take. It was alive but oh no this whole thing was to show him one love into how great this is but at the end of the day i was but could still do all that and that at the same time. Want your kid to be happy and not pick it like you could sit there and be like listen if you leave all this. You'll probably be miserable battle. Give it a i. That's all i could think to write down for the way. What was this entire thing. Yeah is bonkers panda. And i love it. It's one hundred percent crazy nunu. It's it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't mean you can still love the move doesn't it doesn't make it will be okay with it. Because literally at the end. He says to tell the character. My parents were behind the whole thing. She says how he says. I'll explain it to you later. And that's our accessory. We told we get we get nothing. Yeah i mean. No i would love to have the writer of this movie on. What like what. How does that. Yeah no. I did write that down. But it is it. You have to take jumps here. You say so bounds. Okay when you do. I think the way you're framing. It makes it seem like the parents to suspend disbelief. That's what you do in every homework movie. We're asking just for cohesion are great. They're not terrible. They're awful parents bad parents. That's how i met my wife. Oh yeah joey elkins and blake. Silver wrote this. Joey and blake. Please come on the show please. That's right dan boy. This unemployed do that lives with. His mom is quite a catch. He just came back in the military that he's a day back from the air force looking like that was airforce the band. He played him like look like that in the air force. Or are you kidding me. There's not a world where you look like no stabilize looking great and that girl in the hospitals like oh the tall handsome guy with the good hair tall handsome absolutely good hair. Beg to differ. What is going on with the shell on top of his head. I know the answer that i loved. where taylor cole works. He said he's getting a plus. I looked as band airforce wonderful. It's a great band anyway. The coal works a hospital or a doctor's office or an emergency clinic. I because especially nurses walking around in scrubs everywhere which is not a doctor's office but steve lund see ludd his first day back in town he gets in has dinner with his parents. He spends the night he wakes up the next morning. And what does he do. He goes straight to the hospital for a non-existent knee injury. I my understanding. So i thought about this because i was confused. I wrote it down. I think that she is like a joint specialist. Okay but he literally walks fine and can participate in that cool reindeer race. He went to the hospital his first day in town for that knee injury No the mercenary medical. They had an opening speaking. They had an opening speaking of first day in town on taylor cole's first day she decides coffee for everyone who works with her and she knows all of their coffee orders. I i don't think she did. I don't think she knew all their orders. She got one of every lot. Yeah she got very lot today and put and then she put the name on all nine of them. Yes yes how is she going to tell them apart. The name of the lot on there where it wasn't on the drinking. It's probably out of terrorist. Have you ever been to starbucks. It wasn't there was no sticker show. I'm the highest said kay. I'm sure there was a way to tell. The lot tastes my point here day and wanted to get one free so i'm gonna one of the lots now that you're down that road down at the doctor when she gets there says and she knew all of our coffee orders already. I don't think he does say that. Yes he he says it and you know he's fine. I remember him. Saying i do i saw. Was you brought cough over connect with sudan. But there's no no he says it. He says she knew all our coffee. Okay although maybe i'll take the tape right now. 'cause i get another page no tape. Don't lie. I'm taking the tape. If so that does. I will have to do a ding. Ding dong recovered a few more. It will never be weird to me even though they do in every homework movies. This is less about this movie but it will never be weird to. It'll never not be weird to me to see doctors getting their patients from the waiting room. Like it's weird for the doctor to come out and do that when that is not. How life works at all his buddy. Who can't do the crib. I mean steve lund basically says this to him. You're good at many things. You're great photographer. If i ever need to know the latest and camera equipment. I know who i would turn to. And then that's the end of the list. He basically doesn't do anything well aside from that but my problem is i don't think he's good at camera stuff. Either because when they're about to shoot this video for the troops he says and i rewound this twice so if we want to take this the tape by all means i have so much. Power wound it twice. He says i have. This camera is a thirty point. Four megapixel camera. That's a big one. My phone is a hundred and eight. My phone is is an eight megapixel beggars worse. My phone is i'm positive. My phone's one hundred eight. He said it was a thirty point. Four megapixel camera. That is not a thing. Got the tape to it up. This is doc. Aced offered our new fellow. It's already topnotch. Assist my way to try to win. Every patient waiting but this year is offered to show know while i hate being wrong but i was wrong. I'll admit i was wrong. I'm so happy that we don't have a drink. It would have been bad covered from the Lastly they send a message. They send a message to the back of that. Because i never does before k. k. There's a they send the video to the army and the army sends a video back and they're like hey from all of us troops here and one of the troops has not like a full goatee which is just not allowed. Unless you're like god villain of the army. Maybe yeah you can't do that. Those are my was. Let's get to the what the homework. I show where we want to be having get some clear to any questions that we still have panda. At one point he mentions. The cedar park warblers is that they are notorious for bad time management. But very good singing. I wonder how they got that reputation of being bad at time management because everyone knows it. Yeah it's widespread like it's a known fact. Hey the warblers. What is aside since bird is normal the warble so it's just a bunch of birds. Baby that's hard to say moral. Were sound that hard. it's hard to. They were baby warble babic. He wasn't trying to be the wobble thing. I'm over there you go. That's good you can do more with the warblers. My other big one. It's all related to the say. The movie the whole thing here did the couple of things one did. The parents have a double key to unlock mailbox. Just ready to go. They have that ready to go a double painter dub bowl kion lot bought ready to go so nice that they had it. Is that you know. They said that someone did it to them. And that's how they don't to see them everywhere. So one are all of these things the same things that were used on them years ago and they saved them such as the double mailboxes. They make spending cuts or did they have where they were. They plowed they've been planning this for a while while he was in the military where they like. We wanna do this him when he gets back. Let's get the double key. Like i want to know whether or not these are all the same items that were used for them years ago because they said someone brando did it to them or did they could make all this past probably updated it a little bit. They did a little fresh in an update so codex. That wasn't around back when they were codex are so cool are so cool. Always wanted a codex. Dan so the the fourth stocking is my big question because before they even have taylor cole over for dinner. Dinner denver for denver for dinner. They have in their house for stockings over the fireplace. Mom dad stephen. And i don't know who the fourth person is. Who is the fourth person. That's getting stocking. I don't see a pet anywhere. I wanted to who the fourth docking is i. I think that's a legitimate ask. i'd love to know. I think that was a tell they were behind it the whole time. Ooh doesn't early tower put. They met taylor. Whole wants and put the stock i think they they didn't know for sure who was going to be man and then Kim somebody explained to me the bit with the pictures in the christmas cards on the christmas tree and the pictures are old pictures. But they've been. I guess digitally recreated and put on these christmas cards that look brand new. I'm not sure because they can't. There's no way that like the christmas card is forty years old and they keep putting it up every year because they have a picture of when they first met which is at least thirty some years old like they have more than one and so what they do is they take oh pictures and they make a digital copy and they basically scan them onto a card. That's the best i understood. I could not figure that out for the life of me. Yeah but i got a buddy thank welcome. I was for new year's eve. Thank goodness they said they will show up this time on time. They are changing their rap. 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Day 974: Whistleblower complaint against Trump rocking DC involves Ukraine WAPO reports

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

44:50 min | 1 year ago

Day 974: Whistleblower complaint against Trump rocking DC involves Ukraine WAPO reports

"Tonight a second explosion in the story of the whistle blower inside the intelligence community who reportedly witnessed the president engage in something troubling enough tim tell people about it. Tonight's reporting is it was a phone call Donald Trump May to Ukraine in a moment we'll hear from a reporter who broke the story in the Washington Post was to end the former head of the CIA and we'll get the latest from the trump. White House plus the issue that has the power sneak in and change the course of a Presidential Joe Campaign and we know that because we've seen it happen before the eleventh hour on a Thursday night just getting underway now well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day nine seventy four of the trump administration once again we have breaking news news tonight centering around that explosive whistle blower complaint from inside the administration that has set off this latest battle with Congress. The Washington Post has already reported the complaint which was filed with the Intelligence Community Inspector General Involve Donald Trump's private communication with a foreign leader that included some sort of promise importantly the New York Times reported today the whistle blowers complaint is said to involve the multiple acts by the president but now tonight a short time ago the Washington Post Breaking the latest on this story in a four byline piece that includes foods carol lending who will join us in just a moment she and her colleagues report quote a whistleblower complaint about President trump made by an intelligence official centers on Ukraine crane according to people familiar with the matter two and a half weeks before the complaint was filed trump spoke with the Ukrainian president who was elected in a landslide in May that call is already under investigation by House Democrats who are examining whether trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani sought to manipulate the Ukrainian government into helping trump's reelection campaign. Democrats earlier this month demanded records related to what they say are trump. Giuliani's efforts to co worse the Ukrainian in government into pursuing to politically motivated investigations one to help trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort a second to target the son of former Vice President Joe Biden. You may recall this comment from trump earlier this summer about receiving information on political rivals your campaign this time round of foreigners if Russia if China if someone else offers you information and opponent should accept or should be called the FBI. I think maybe Buedu bus. I think you might WANNA listen. I don't there's nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country Norway we have information on your opponent. I think I'd WanNa hear you want that kind of interference in our elections not interference. They have information. I think I'd take the house. Intelligence Committee media has been trying to get its hands on the actual whistle blowers complaint they've been met with a refusal from the current acting director of national intelligence who consulted consulted with the Justice Department on this matter. We can't stress enough. This is highly unusual if not unprecedented the refusal comes even as the Intelligence Communities Inspector General noted that complaint and quote met the definition of an urgent concern and that the complaints disclosure not not only falls within the jurisdiction but relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNA is responsibilities to the American people well tonight the the president's lawyer in an eventful interview on CNN Rudy Giuliani said quote. It is perfectly appropriate. All I can tell you is if what is reported reported is true. It doesn't make it doesn't make any difference if the president of the United States said to the president of Ukraine investigate the corruption in your country country that has a bearing on our twenty sixteen election. Isn't that what he's supposed to do. In a moment here we're going to be able to speak to the former. CIA Director John John Brennan our panel is also standing by but first. We want to get straight to one of the reporters on this breaking story. The aforementioned Carol Lennick Pulitzer Prize winning investigative is to get a reporter for the Washington Post Carol Layout as best you can for our viewers the allegation here the phone call the backdrop and anything else we've left now. Oh so many things about this story Brian which you know we learned something new it feels like every day since chairmanships letter but so many things about this are surprising and unprecedented and tonight migrate colleagues at the Washington Post especially on the national security team team. I was just an assistant essentially to the story but they and and with a little help for me broke the story that these complaints this complaint about multiple communications by the president that were viewed as a flagrant and serious abuse involved his discussions with the president of Ukraine and there are a lot of questions because this complaint was filed August twelfth just two and a half weeks roughly after after the president had spoken with the president of Ukraine and according to a readout from the Ukrainian government the discussion was the president president of our country president trump saying that Ukraine could really help their reputation if they could complete these investigations into corruption it would really help with relationships between the two countries and that they could really help their image so already you have sort of this red flag being waved about this July twenty fifth call on August twelve a whistleblower whose identity is not yet public comes forward and then somewhere along the line the the inspector general has received this complaint is blocked from reporting it to Congress even though it is defined as an urgent concern under the statute forgive forgive this very basic question. Is there any evidence that is a direct line and not a dotted line that connects the nature of this whistle blower complaint linked with the Herculean and unprecedented efforts to keep this secret while I hope I understand your question properly Brian and this whistle blower is under what I can only imagine must be the most intense pressure because is on the one hand there is this terrifying element called the espionage act and if you violate it by sharing anything that is truly sensitive and endanger dangerous our national security. You're in a world of trouble but on the other hand there is the Whistle Blower Protection Act that was passed into law in the nineteen nineties indies for intelligence personnel so that they could come forward with sensitive materials there was great fear that they weren't allowed to come forward because the material was so sensitive and that act right now is basically being stalled and it appears that at least the Justice Department was conferred with about this decision that that the acting director of National Intelligence made blocking the I g from going forward and alerting Congress about the substance of what the president said that was so worrisome the promise that they made. I'm sorry that he made allegedly to the Ukraine. Carol lending is has agreed to stay with US and right now joining us by telephone is the former CIA director. John Brennan also happens to be our senior national security and intelligence analyst Director Brennan and when you hear Rudy say as he said tonight. If what they're saying is true. It doesn't make any difference. He just becomes the latest person listen. I've heard recently to say in effect. Some form of the president can say whatever he wants. Is that your understanding well. I think Rudy's defense and trump's comments and his tweet or belied by the very very rigorous accurate that the administration will and taking Sudan's this was a blow as complaint from going to the intelligence committees if it was appropriate in their minds if it was something that they had no concerns about why are they making this hurting efforts prevented from going forward it's clear that the whistle blower and the Inspector General of the Office of the DNA nine followed to the letter B. Procedures in the Whistle Blower Act and from my perspective the acting be an eye Joe McGuire who I know well and I had a lot of dunes within. He's a straight shooter in my mind. I'm sure he probably with his general counsel to make I'm sure that he would be doing is consistent with the law but unfortunately I think now department of Justice has become involved because it wouldn't be surprised that Joe Maguire's the council consulted with the Department of Justice which would be normal procedures and it's clear that our attorney general is a highly publicized individual who will use the instruments achievements power the Department of Justice to protect his client Donald Trump and so I don't know to what extent Joe McGuire is being being coerced intimidated threatened by the Department of Justice to not take these actions they could even be saying that they're the legal action taken against it's ten if he were to go forward and share this complaint so this is clearly a very abnormal very worrisome situation where the the whole intent or the whistle blower act is being clouded by the trump administration and it's preventing information that truly should go to the committee of communities have jurisdiction in the Congress and so I think we are at this point of scene. Trampling of our laws and procedures is by a individual any oval office who is being supported in this by an attorney general and justice that is not so filling what their responsibilities obligations are under the law. They're looking to do what the White House what Mr Trump wants done to our viewers a phrase. We use a lot around here. This is truly uncharted territory. I WanNa read something a frequent contributor of ours former. US Attorney Ernie Joyce Vance has just said on social media. If this turns out to be what the whistle blower complaint is about and it's accurate trump must leave office immediately a president president can't offer USA to a foreign country in exchange for prosecution of a political opponent heaven help us if we can all agree on that director Brennan Final Question. You've been around the block a few times. You certainly been in the Oval Office a lot. Is this an unusual phone call to over here on the part of the president of the United States well. I think it would have been people who were either in the room. When Donald Trump is making that call or individuals who read the memo M Khan a memorandum of conversation that was done on this but in my thirty plus years of experience Sir I have never seen a situation like this where there is this effort on the part of a president of the United States to prevent prevents the appropriate steps to be taken by the executive branch inside of the executive branch and to work with the Congress on something. That's that's the inspector. General says is urgent national security important. This is something that leave. The inpatient is going to get out. It's already getting out in dribs and bribes. I'm sure the whole thing will be out and I I tend to agree with Joyce. this is explosive and I think we have just I started to see this iceberg emerge former CIA director John Brennan. Thank you very much for joining us by telephone on this Thursday night. We appreciate it. We now move to our discussion of tonight's breaking news story Carol Lending of the Washington Post remains with us. Let's add to the conversation. A second Pulitzer Prize recipient from the Washington Post Philip Rucker is the Washington Post Bureau chief. We are also fortunate to be joined by Jeremy Bash former chief of staff at the CIA and Pentagon notably former chief if counsel to the House Intel Committee Jeremy Bash. Please let our viewers know what whistle blower status is supposed to mean in the law how it's been enshrined and protected in the law to come up the chain with protections built in but the laws crystal clear Brian. If you are an intelligence community professional you observe wrongdoing and observe it in the context of your responsibilities as an intelligence community professional and you make a complaint about that either to the congressional committees or to the inspector general you cannot be retaliated against. You can't be fired. You can't be prosecuted and so we have an individual a very courageous individual in our country tonight who clearly observed wrongdoing in abusive use of authority possible unethical or even illegal acts as reported by the Washington Post and others at the White House possibly involving the presidentials the president's percents phone calls with foreign leaders about Ukraine and that individual has come forward and it's been separately investigated by the Inspector General of the intelligence eligible community and determined to be credible and determined to be urgent and determined to be necessary to report to the congressional intelligence committees and what we see now emerging is a massive cover-up effort by the White House and the Department of Justice to prevent the facts from coming to light Phil Rucker no surprise really no comment tonight tonight from the trump campaign tossed it over the White House and said this is a White House matter but your reporting is something else entirely. What are you hearing. What tea leaves leaves. Are you reading that might show that they're worried about this. Well at the moment Brian. I think the fact that there is virtual silence from the White House on this tonight. Shows you the concern. They're proceeding with caution. The staff is that is to try to figure out exactly what is going on here. We have heard from the president and a tweet this it's morning and he's effectively telling the American people that he would only do what is right and a phone call with foreign leaders. Of course it's not the president's job to determine what's right and what's wrong. He also said it would be incredibly dumb for somebody to surmise that he might say something inappropriate on a call with the foreign leader because other people are listening coming but we should remind all of viewers that it was president trump back in the beginning of his presidency in the spring of twenty seventeen who shared classified intelligence since information with the Russian diplomats in the open of the Oval Office in front of other American officials in that at that moment was shocking occurrence and so there's a pattern to his behavior if in fact what this whistle blower is alleging is actually True Carolina you've had to do much more complicated acts of of journalism than what I'm GonNa ask you to do now but I need you to explain for our viewers the background of a tweet from Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy he writes a few weeks ago in Ukraine. I met with presidents Alinsky and we discussed the surprise cutoff of aid and the inappropriate appropriate demands that trump campaign was making of him the obvious question everyone in Kiev was asking was were the two things connected Carol remind our audience what this this aid is we keep mentioning the congress the US Congress had had approved two hundred and fifty million dollars in military style aid for the Ukraine government to protect itself from largely what they use it for is to protect themselves from Russian aggression the president had held that money hostage basically decide blocking it from being released it's all roughly in the same time time that he was stressing to the Leninsky that they could improve their relationship with the US if they would complete some of their anti corruption investigations best to Gatien's as I mentioned earlier Brian this also comes in that July timeframe which is right after the president speaks with Celeski the president the Ukraine Rudy Giuliani then meets as a private citizen who also happens to be the president's lawyer but not a government official meets with an aide to Alinsky to talk about these investigations and that aid is Alinsky remarks with some concern that he is not sure who exactly Rudy Giuliani Johnny is representing the idea that all these things converge at the same time a president withholding congressionally approved funds from foreign government to protect protected so from our own adversary and its adversary pressure to improve the relationship with the Ukraine by completing investigations friends and then a couple of days later the president's own personal attorney and ally meeting with a Ukrainian aid to discuss those probes. It's sort out of worrisome. How all of those things aren't connected? How could they not be connected and let's just underscore something. Carolina just said and that is a Rudy Giuliani is a lot of things and was a lot of things he is not a federal employee. He is not a White House aide. He is not the president's attorney. He is Donald Trump's personal attorney attorney. That's going to end up being important here. We have a lot more questions. Our guests have agreed to stay with us over the break coming up the challenges that challenges rather that whistle blowers lower face when they attempt to come forward like this and hold some of the most powerful people in the world accountable and then later the tax returns trump up has refused to release the tax returns. He's gone to great pains not to reveal the fight to get those returns getting a bit closer to Donald Trump as the eleventh hour or is just getting started on this busy Thursday night. HEY MSNBC listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath. I sit down with retired four star. Navy Admiral William mcraven Bill mcraven was the commander of the United States Special Operations Command and the longest serving navy seal in American history similar to Iraq semi to Afghanistan semi to Somalia to North Africa. Send me where the nation needs me just send me bill mcraven was involved in planning and implementing the most important operations in US special forces history including the killing of Osama bin Laden and the capture sure of Saddam Hussein the fact that matters you have got to allow the guys on the ground to make the decisions when the time comes when the opportunity presents itself please join me for my conversation with retired. Arid Navy Four Star Admiral William mcraven available now wherever you get your podcasts we're we're back and quickly to the breaking news reporting yet again tonight. Washington Post is up front on this story reporting that a complaint about President trump from this yet unknown whistle so blower inside the administration involves a promise made to the nation of Ukraine the complaint according to the post centering on trump's communications with a foreign leader later. The complaint was made August twelve and B. C. News has compiled a list of the president's phone calls known to us and has so far confirmed that he spoke with at at least nine different world leaders during this relevant time period including a call with Ukraine's president indeed there on July twenty fifth one with Putin July thirty first also we should note that on August fifteenth former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and his chief deputy the veteran sue Gordon left left the administration still with US Carol Lennox Phil Rucker Jeremy Bash as is frequently the case. I have more questions for our guests than time. Allowed so Carolina's Lennick here goes Congress truly does not seem to know and if the law works. They're not supposed to know the identity of this whistle blower. Do you get that same feeling about the White House. Oh deep breath. I would just say that we don't know for certain Brian. Here's one thing I wanNA say about the whistle blower however this person's in a bit of a bind agree with Jeremy Very brave person to put their neck out like like this and some intelligence operatives have essentially said this is a career defining moment you're skiing off the edge of a mountain and and there may be no turning back it. It seems like it is definitely within the houses ability to know exactly who this is. This whistleblower has some advocates in the in the Inspector General the Inspector General has basically sent a letter saying you know we'd like to send this whistle blower to you directly Congress if we're not allowed to tell you what this complaint is about out and that that may be something that's going on behind the scenes right now discussion about whether or not this whistleblower can come forward with their own complaints and figure this out with the committees right now at this moment the acting director of National Intelligence has not given any approval for that but that is one option for this whistle blower Jeremy Bash another aspect of whistleblower law there was rudy tonight on CNN speculating this was a Democrat holdover deep inside the administration used the phrase deep state again as everyone was expecting is he allowed to talk about whistle blowers that that way is there not some equivalent of witness intimidation in these cases while I think clearly they want to silence anybody who sees wrongdoing by the president azan or by somebody at the White House they want to silence that person they want to cover things up but I'd like to see the leadership of the National Intelligence Director off director's his office have at least as much courage bravery as this whistleblower one of their subordinates usually in military or intelligence organization you want the leader to have as much bravery and courage as one of the troops that they command so we need to see that leadership from the from the community from the community head Joe McGuire but we also need need to see the Justice Department and the White House step aside and let the law play out. I do want to emphasize what Carol emphasize earlier. which is that if you look at the July twenty fifth phone phone call between trump and Zalewski this is really potentially about a holding out the prospect that we would withhold military assistance from Ukraine Ukraine unless unless the Ukraine investigate Joe Biden who of course trump believes is the most direct threat to his reelection? That's what this is about this is this is the two thousand sixteen campaign all over again except this time trump is president. He's got military aid to hold as a weapon to achieve his objective okay Phil Rucker. Obviously an unsaid part of this is that there may be more there may be more individuals like this this our mutual colleague. Nicole Wallace reported after talking with two veterans of the Intel business that they keep noting. Here's another their phone call from inside the House saying the house is on fire and I am guessing fill the White House may be bracing for the fact doc that there could be more yet Bryan. They're always could be more with this. President and it's one of the main reason for that frankly is his lack of discipline in in his interactions with foreign leaders. This is not a president who reads from notes or who follow a script he sort of free wheels these conversations he thinks that makes makes him an effective leader and negotiator when he's going head to head face to face or you know the handset handset with a counterpart around the world but the problem according to people in the White House is that he he will oftentimes say things he's not exactly prepared to say or doesn't fully appreciate the ramifications of those comments we saw it very early on in the administration with that pretty raucous phone call he had with the then Australian Prime Minister the contents of which were reported soon thereafter in Washington Post and created a real diplomatic problem for the administration there could be many other instances of this and one other thing to keep in mind minded about the whistle blower and his or her say right now. This is an administration that has gone to extreme lengths to try to silence people who from the inside we'll try to tell the truth they investigate and try to rat out sources two journalists they try to withhold information from being sent to Congress they try to block testimony to the oversight committees in Congress and so you can expect that president trump also his top aides in the White House are going to do everything they can to find who this whistle blower and and punish this person or multiple people. If there's another occurrence hey gang we asked a lot of you tonight because we're covering this breaking news in real time it's all the fall of the Washington Post but our thanks go to Carol Lennick to Phil Rucker to Jeremy Bash for rolling with all of it. We greatly appreciate it coming up for US tonight a former. FBI This is special agent weighs in on just what we're talking about tonight what this means to the intelligence community when we come back this whistle blower is under what I can only imagine must be the most intense pressure because on the one hand there is this terrifying element called the espionage act and if you violated by sharing anything that is truly sensitive and endangers our national security. Iran world trouble the new reporting tonight that a presidential conversation involving Ukraine alarmed an intelligence official enough for that official to kick it up. The chain Clint Watts former. FBI VI special agent is here with us. He's also happens to be a distinguished research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and also happens to be the author of messing with the enemy surviving in a social media world of hackers terrorists Russians and fake news so we thought we would have you here and ask you is a whistleblower whistleblower considered the last line of defense would be would be seen as that way and particularly. I think in this circumstance if you look back what did we you just get done with two Plus Years Muller investigation where people were scrutinized publicly were brought out to Capitol Hill brought to so the Muller Committee questioned interrogated spilled out onto twitter so to make this decision to be very high level intelligence officer in the US government government to make this decision to make a whistle blower claim and to do it exactly right it seems like everything has been done very much by the book and according to those procedures I think it would have to be something they felt was extraordinarily important to bring up and it just shows also how our systems are really untested where we've never really gone through these situations before we haven't acting deny. We have acting representatives many positions. They're not quite sure what to do. The reading the rule book and none of those really really account for what if the president does it these are these statues are really designed around the organization. It's not really about the top leader of the country so none of these situations really really been thought through and we're really testing all of these boundaries about what's the role of Congress for oversight and what's the role the executive branch. I WANNA play this for you a mutual friend of ours Frank Figliuzzi Rosie speaking in effect directly to this whistle blower this afternoon at four eastern. If this system keeps breaking down I would say this to the whistle blower if he or she is watching. There's one more week one week from today where the deny the acting denied claims he's going to testify if at at that point next week this whistle blower complaint doesn't substantively be conveyed to the House or Senate Intelligence Committee. It's time for you to come come forward directly to those committees so that as they say gets your attention and this is going to be all about trust the whistle blower has to be able to trust these committees of Congress for this to work this is why we have this whole checks and balances in the system in place and if we can't guarantee that sort of oversight than we actually have no protections we have protections for one individual are two or three lone actors working in concert doing something that could gravely harm the country this intelligence officer it has to be somebody at a very high level with lots of experience felt the need to bring it up through this process a process. It's not well worn one one. That's not well ironed out and it was to go for specific oversight so if we can't do this it really puts us in a position. Where any branch of government should they want want to push forward. They put it in any direction. They want without any sort of checks and balances where a government was really conceived from the beginning so this is as strong as has any other. Lincoln that chain we always cover this as links in the chain of norms that we need to continue on the road to our democracy. That's absolutely right because it's Abou. How what is the interest that is being pursued by the government is that the interests of the people is it? Interest of individuals is at the interest of parties and what we're not seeing right now now. Is anyone coming together and saying hey what's the best thing for the American people in this situation. At this point. We have our fourth national security advisor. We've gone through multiple secretaries of defense most cabinet heads many of them are acting and when you look at our foreign policy positions one thing the acting deny was correct about is McGuire said I'm really busy right now because he is he's looking at a potential war with Iran at the same time that all of this is going on so when you're operating this many ways in this many theaters without any real grand strategy or any advisors really in the White House that lasts more than a few months it puts his country in danger and that is the time when when we need lots of oversight in this country that is the time for Congress to step up this is yet one one more example in those events Clint Watch our great. Thanks thank you. She had it coming up the fight to get the president's tax returns and whatever they might contain will ask a former. US Attorney about that front when we continue and the president's lawyers are once again trying to stop prosecutors from getting their hands on his tax returns earlier this month the Manhattan da subpoenaed trump's taxes taxes as part of their investigation hush money payments to cover up alleged affairs they are looking for potentially falsified business records in violation of New York State. Law In something of a counter suit filed today. Trump's attorneys are siding and often referred to federal guideline that a sitting President President of the United States is not subject to the criminal process while he is in office and they're arguing. The subpoena is a bad faith effort to harass the president well we'll see about that because with us to talk about it as Barbara mcquade a veteran federal prosecutor former US attorney for the Eastern District of the Great State of Michigan Barbara. They have McKay here no. I don't think so you know I think like so much of the kind Dr President Trump the best defense is a good offense and I think that's what's going on here here. In addition to a number of procedural problems that I see where this case like standing and jurisdiction. I think the most significant problem here is that the president it says because a sitting president cannot be indicted which is a theory not a precedent he can't even be investigated and he can't even be subjected elected to criminal process even Robert Muller disagreed with that he said absolutely president can be investigated because you might want to charge others around him like members of the trump organization or you can charge the president after he leaves office and so I think that on procedurally on the merits this is GonNa fail which uh-huh causes one to wonder why is he bring it in the first place and I think it's most likely a stall tactic. Let me ask you this and this is just a consumer question because on media these days you hear the the the hunger on the left among resistance to get their hands and that's the expression they use get their hands on. Donald Trump's tax returns but as a matter of law and reality. Let's say the New York. Da is successful and they get however many years they're looking for. Is there any kind of a public release provisions. Are they put under seal. Is there any reason why people would assume that we in the public are going to get to pour over where this guy's tax returns not immediately but they could come out later. If there were to be a criminal prosecution so as as you are suggesting there Brian grand jury material is secret. It's kept private and so it would be shared only with those people with a need to know who are investigating the case but as we saw in for example the trial of Paul Manafort if ultimately they become evidence in a trial they could be produced as exhibits if for instance they show expenditures on the tax returns that could support a charge involving the campaign finance violations or the falsification of business records so not right away but possibly down the road. We are fortunate around around here to have a number of former. US ATTORNEYS OF COUNSEL TO US. I already quoted one of them Joyce Vance earlier in the hour now. I'd like to quote you back to you. This is you on twitter tonight. We need more facts but if trump threatened to withhold military aid unless Ukraine dig up dirt on Biden that could be extortion and I guess barb. That's among the things it could be. It could be many other things but but to me that is very traditional public corruption charge that gets charge against city officials state officials when they are demanding something that is a value to them in exchange for an official act. I am going to withhold this thing thing that you're entitled to until you give me my bribe the thing that I want it sounds very much like the kind of thing that we see corrupt politicians engaging all the time and if if so you this might be the kind of actually resonates with the public you know Russian interference was something that didn't squarely fit within the statutes because Congress could never never even imagined such a thing but with extortion this is a very bread and butter kind of public corruption crime that gets charged all the time what an interesting point veteran in a former federal prosecutor former US Attorney Barbara mcquade. It's always a pleasure having you on. Thank you so much for tonight coming up for US foreign policy. It has a funny way of sneaking again and redirecting a presidential race in fact. Are we now watching the start of that process in a moment. We're going to talk to the senior. Most self-described defrocked Republican strategist in the business when we come back and we talk about polling because it's fun after also a new poll from Fox News today today shows Joe Biden maintaining his lead among his Democratic rivals at twenty nine percent Bernie Sanders second with eighteen followed quickly by Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren at sixteen and so on this same poll shows President Trump losing to Biden Sanders Warren and Kamla Harris and hypothetical apathetic matchups the former vice president has the largest margin against trump at fourteen percent trump addressed the democratic threat during being a Fox News interview yesterday at the Southern Border Wall. Are You Getting Ready for Elizabeth Warren or someone else who's rising in the polls and not facing Joe Biden. Thank you know whoever it is is. My attitude is whoever it is Elizabeth. Warren is doing better than Joe. Right now. Joe's having a hard time. We'll see what happens whoever it is. Take him on and we'll do well so there he is his and back with US tonight. Mike Murphy Republican Strategists Co Director of the Center for the political future at the University of Southern California and importantly co host of the podcast hacks on tap with David Axelrod and a great follow on twitter. Welcome back well. Thank you Brian. I have in my hand list of people that are according to our NBC Newspoll all polling at one percent or below and I hate to lead with a negative but I'm going to overwork Gabbard Delaney Steer Bennett de Blasio Castro Castro Bullock Ryan Williamson basically a baseball team. Explain this to me. I'm told that money is the mother's milk of politics jet fuel bumper stickers. It's what are they all. Still you know it's a pretty depressing day. When you're losing to the margin of error yeah I can't even prove you exist distantly but hope springs eternal in politics they've seen other races where in the last thirty days in Iowa something happens and you turn over the national polling but for these candidates who don't have resources don't have a base in the case of Bullock Bennett. I'm kind of a tragic story. They both probably beat trump in general election but ah what's going to happen now is they're running out of money not just them. The Middle Tier is running out of money because this is the time in Iowa where you gotTa gramp up the spending in New Hampshire but if you don't don't have poll numbers you're not getting any donations so you get in the plenty squeeze which can really cut off your oxygen financially not havoc campaign by the end of the year and look bigger bigger names cory booker. I think we have met two or three percent but I'll tell you. The national polls are a bit of a hustle because if the Iowa caucus pops for somebody. Maybe it'll be warned. She's got the energy there but we have a lot of time left. It moves late. It'll throw the national polls inside out in two days. There's an old thing called the milk words Monroe role he was no Kennedy delegate counter and it was don't believe any national poll deeply until the first voting contest but it gives us a whiff now who sound tickets and who isn't who who has something Biden has a junk warns been going up for ten months. It gives you some INS- but it's written in Pencil people start voting the national polls our friend. Rick Warren went on crazy on this topic last night and I wanna hit it with Rick Wilson. Sorry we had Jim Warren and Rick Wolves same broadcast so I apologize why aren't the Democrats more worried concentrating more efforts and resources on getting control. Yeah you know I think the the most important besides recruiting which is always the unglamorous hard part of the Senate contest at the top of the ticket there. They've got to find somebody their excited about. There's North Carolina nine special because they took a district where normally the Republican will win by ten a bag of cement with an ironic and get five and they held it to two but they it helped to with a moderate democratic former marine not a Bernier Elizabeth Warren type so it doesn't look to me at least early here that their vote they're thinking very strategically weekly there instead having this big catharsis about were so mad at trump. We're GONNA go to the Progressives. We're GONNA teach them a lesson. Just like McGovern Dot Nixon a lesson and so you know the lesson turned out to be in reverse so we'll see if the pragmatism to be trump and have a strong top at ticket that could put a North Carolina Senate seat in play that could give Cory Gardner Halbe race in Colorado is where they go or will they nominate a candidate that the president will have the tools to change the topic of the election from fire fire him which is what the polling says now where they all beat them in do hey you think I'm bad this. That's a huge question and finally since we've both I've been around the block a few times the ability of foreign policy to sneak it in the presidential race or should we ask two-term President Jimmy Carter her about this. You know that's a huge question. I think this increasingly big whistleblower scandal deservedly big. That's going to rock the race. They're all GonNa be in that business tomorrow but they're all going to be saying the same thing the truth be known but if things get dicey if the Iranians Sada's decide originality great yeah yeah the Taiwan Strait. Their million loose ends here. If that blows up it may change the way Democrat voters look at who they're shopping for and it could give Biden the lifeline he could use right about now as worn has most of the energy and he's got all those understudy candidate circularly so but we don't know until it happens and then when it happens how you handle it can create the storrow to somebody who may not be a natural foreign policy fit pizza veteran. They're all going to be breaking those moves but it could be good for Joe. This is why we all back. Thanks for being here. Mike Murphy here with us in the studio and coming up a huge crisis tonight and severe damage that is not yet on on the radar of all Americans. We'll tell you about it. 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Episode 553: Jessica Donati, Wall Street Journal Reporter and Author of 'Eagle Down'

"Upwork has the largest network of independent professionals like developers designers data scientist. You name it. And they're proven rated and reviewed so when you need and demand talent on demand. Upwork is how If it doesn't work you're just not using enough. You're listening to sulphur. Lady special operations military meals on straight talk with the guys in the community again. Everyone welcome back to software radio. I'm your host today. steve software radio on time on target We always try to bring you the best of what's going on out there in the world today. We have a very special guest with us. Just denali who just finished A book it's called eagled down the last special forces fighting in the forever war. It was a absolutely fantastic read. It was a little concerning a little upsetting. I guess you could say as a former special forces guy and we're going to get into the reasons for that but just was the wall street journal's person on the ground i guess you could say the bureau chief in afghanistan for about four years. Excuse me so. She definitely spent her time there. She was embedded with the afghan. Sf guys with the american as of guys a fantastic story to tell. We're going to get into that in your book but before we do any of that we want to welcome her to the park has just thank you for taking the time. I should say this evening because you joining us from the beautiful country of south africa's today thank you very much for having me. It is our pleasure and i i just wanted to ask you real quick You know I know prior to going to afghanistan. You spent some time in libya. During the you know the fall of qaddafi and the civil war there was it a big difference from you for you. I should say i know libya was your first war that you covered. Was it a big difference. Going from say libya to afghanistan bernie was to me. It was a huge difference. I mean not just on a personal level. Kiss one thing when you've never been in a war before to find yourself in for the first time that causes quite a big sort of personal development but the libyan war when in two thousand eleven. When i was there was compete chaotic. You didn't know who controlled what the country was split into insert where you had innocuous forces finding very sort of ragtag alliance of different libyan militias when afghanistan. When i got there for the first time which was in twenty twelve it was it felt like a war that had been set for a long time. You know everybody knew where they stood. You had every country in the world. It felt like with a steak with sort of role on the stage and he knew this road is under the control. The document has tavern. Has that and so. It felt organizing. It felt a lot safer as well or did. Yeah because i know you know at that time in libya and again i'm bouncing back and forth but it seemed like as you said very chaotic and they probably didn't have any safe. I don't wanna say safety nets but like where you know. Journalists were probably Kind of embedded more with the war in afghanistan. were probably in libya. You guys were left to fend for yourselves. Yeah we went to the around. I mean in in libya we just. We didn't have a bureau. Nobody germany's just whacked out of one of the couple of hotels in town. There was almost no supervision in very little security in terms of With reuters at the time they had one security guy League for a huge number of reporters photographers tv. People um so you were very much left on your very risky and it was and you had a lot of freedom. I mean you could dump in a cab and go to ms raza which is another town by two hours away. So it was. It was pretty idiotic but even in afghanistan we very much left to operate on our own unlikes with big diplomatic missions or or companies is a journalist. You're basically the person air. You're on your I lived in a shed house with journalists that worked for the washington. Post somebody else that rented a room from us and i was not free to make up my day as i wanted to do. Damn if i wanted the the regulations that we had where he wanted to leave the city of kabul you had to plan the ship with our security adviser and get it signed off at headquartered his And the idea was that the story had to be considered. What whatever risky were taking in any trip outside of kabul towards the end especially was considered high risk but you came up with your own security plan pretty much now you you explained to them how you going to make sure that you made it from peace interesting reading. The i think i came away with probably the same perspective that a lot of Former military especially special forces guys probably have into me the biggest question of this booker. Why are american. Special forces guy. Still in afghanistan in. What are they really doing because you know we tend to think of these guys. They have a plan and they're going to go in and They're they're going to do their mission do their job. I guess you could say in the book. It's so confusing and to me. That was like it was very eye-opening to me It seemed especially in need in the earlier years. Twenty fifty non words. You had the administration saying that the war was over. They had delivered on his campaign. Pledge there were fewer than ten thousand troops they called it a trading mission instead of combat mission and it seemed to me that the focus was very much to make look like the. Us was no longer a war. And at the same time you had a reality on the ground which was a fast declining security situation with the afghan government forces unable to hold on to major population centers on their own. And so you had to figure out how to back them up and obviously the answer came in the form of special operations because because they're special operations you don't have to imbed journalists with them. You don't have to account for what they're doing you just say while it's terrorism mission or it's a training mission and that's that and you don't really know what's going on and unfortunately unless you're somebody who's maybe a driverless that's been working there for a long time following conflict closely. The average person doesn't really have any idea what you troops actually doing a wide Because it's no longer talked about And to me it seems that their principal role has made to keep them afghanistan out of the headlines to prevent losses of major population centres. Keep the two sides. The government and the taliban insurgents sort of fairly balance on the battlefield. The idea obviously so that at this point so that you can support peace tokes back then went even peace talks going on and so. That's what brought me to to decide to write the book. Because i thought it was important. There should be some kind of discussions over the ways. Ashok rations were being used and whether there was any kind of long term strategy. Yeah and and you know to me. That was the most disturbing part of the book. Is you know we put these guys in harm's way and say we as a country. I mean we send them. They're the they're in. A you know a provincial capital that's under attack by the taliban these guys are in pretty pitch combat. They have wounded troops. They have air assets all around them in and not allowed to use them and that to me was i. It was shocking. I'll i'll admit it I was under the impression that right up until today these guys had you know everything at their disposal and they were able to use it and of course in the book. It comes out that they weren't in. It may have contributed to some guys getting hurt defeating especially earlier on before the trump administration came in. They were extremely strict rules on what what kind of support the troops could have so unless they weren't sort of on the brink of of total disaster They wouldn't get the support to end the idea with logic in washington which quiz makes more sense when you're in washington suitable neatly organized while you have to limit support because otherwise the afghan never gonna do it on their own whereas the reality is that nothing really that washington is gonna do is going to change. How willing the afghan forces are capable video. They ought to to provide support in a particular operation. So these guys were getting putting by dangerous situations without the support that they would normally get aside from that i mean another thing that was commonwealth because the administration had planned to pull troops out in because they supposedly went to combat anymore. They didn't have a some of the resources that they would usually be half You know like like ability to drop supplies with a. Gps guided supplies right so they would just push things out of an airplane. They would land wherever they had to go find them in the middle of a taliban control village rather than be able to guide them to exact place where they were so there were other factors that further expose them when the trump administration came in. They did relax some of the some of the restrictions which which brought some relief some relief and of course then tighten them up again. Once the deal was signed. Yeah and you mentioned in both the afghan special operations guys that the us train. It really spread awfully awfully thin. In that was a major issue and it it was issue with those guys in fact a couple of times that you know. It seemed like they They were losing their will to fight but they were getting very frustrated themselves over this. Yeah i mean the afghan commanders 'em even more than than than police army forces. I mean they come under criticism because they're seen is not wanting they don't want to fight or they give up along the way but you have to remember is that like You know. American troops you can cycle in and out every six months or however along these guys stocks for the long haul we embedded with commanders. That had been commanders pretty much in the same positions for ten years. They were incredibly experienced. Incredibly smart Perceptive guys who were alive by miracle and muslim people that have started out with when no longer alive and you know. They're in the same position where they're being sent out to basically rescue villages district centers from the taliban to make it look like that the government is using. They're seeing the same places all over and over again there'd be sent back to the same places. They can go drive the taliban out but the problem is there's no plan off the that to ensure the place doesn't fullback under insurgent control so it's very demoralizing to them as a certain point their own sense of survival has to can the other thing is also important to remember is that they don't have any nice benefit system waiting for them when they get that or if they die nobody's gonna look after their families agent wounded. They're pretty much left the road Or anyone over you know they can be helped contacts that they might have but chances i it's ruinous for them so you can understand why they're reluctant to put themselves on the line right in You know when you're looking at these afghan commandos. I mean it seems like they're the best fighting force that the afghans have but it's just not enough of them and we're always talking about the afghan standing on their own but it seems like once the us does pull out. These guys are gonna be really hard pressed to hold onto a lot of the areas because it seems like they're the firemen going from one hot spot to another yeah exactly like firemen and the problem is it takes a lot of time to build a a commando and while they the government has tried to increase the production of them You know the quality isn't going to be as good because they went have had as much training In earlier years they worked commanders wet closely with us special forces obviously as the number of us. Special forces has gone down. So has that number been action which also reduces the amount of training that they have so you have more commandments Less trade acting as firemen. It's not it's not. A sustainable situation is not a situation that turn around things on the battlefield in the way that is hunt Once the us leaves you. They're going to leave. Not just with with the troops but the the support they provide transport support in the afghans rely on the us to be able to sort of ferry find his into the backfield long providing air support and intelligence support civil of that will go And these guys. I mean likely to have limited loyalty to kabul administration which is at seemed to be horribly corrupt and their military leadership which is also seen to be pretty corrupt where they steal food vacation time that sort of thing so rather than seeing perhaps vanished. You might see Five gravitate towards who they see is their natural leader whether it's by tribal association Necessity or some other thing. We're speaking today with just the author of eagle down the last special forces fighting in the forever war here software radio in and jessica. There was a couple of compelling characters all of the characters were compelling but a couple of my one at dimension. 'cause i could probably spend days and days talking about everybody. That's in the booklet. Obviously how was a focal point in the book and How difficult was it to get him to open. Open up to you talk about what actually went down especially in the part of the mission that went bad during the retaking of one of the provincial. Capitals yeah i think that I mean the way that i got now. Hats was a different story that i was researching I had heard his name. Sort of indies circles of contract is in in kabul knew who he was But i was investigating a story about a former green beret who was raising trying to raise. Anti islamic state militia in the eastern that effort had gone horribly wrong ended up decapitating isis fighters and putting their heads piles of rocks very gruesome. He got into lots of trouble but he claimed to have support from american special forces in the present he claimed supported him was hotch so i reached out to hot. And i said you know Would you like to explain why you got to beat supporting medicine. Decapitates people it puts the heads on on rocks and he was very worried that another very negative story would come out about. Us special forces you know soon after the bombing ems side hospital. So that's how i initially got speak to him In he clarified some of the details of that story. So as it turned out the guy had been a vastly overstating the amount of support that he had from the us military and I was always fascinated by hunter's story. Because i heard so much about everybody else in that incident at no one had ever heard from the soldiers who are involved. I was really interested to know his viewpoint in how he i guess lived at what had happened. And how would you take and Over over the years. I got to know more green berets head. Ford at the time convinced the critical mass of them to participate in the book is him if he would he would do it and And he agreed. And i think it just it. I think the thing that soldiers most worrying about when they speak to journalists journalists are going to have an agenda or that they have some kind of motivation for for me. I just wanted to tell Pot story tell potted the afghan that i thought was being represented anymore in the news because journalists no longer had access to special operations in the government was no longer really saying what they were doing. They did have this critical part in. So i wanted to do is be fair and balanced as possible and that was an. I guess that finally convinced convinced the guys to to participate right and during this one operation Couldn't use a. I think it is said the operation there a what happened was the afghan commando said come under fire They had identified a target for air for an airstrike and there was a mistake. Made in the target ended up being a hospital with doctors without borders in. It went horribly wrong but you know Rather than try to. It seemed like rather than trying to find out what had happened. In interviewing the soldiers it seemed like the higher ups in kabul immediately declared it a war crime and you know went after hutch in You know they kept asking him. You mentioned it in the book. You want to change your story. You weren't and they were accusing him. Basically of lying and it was before even all the events had come out and then later on after the fact that he was proven correct but it was still horrible mistake and one of that was one of the more compelling parts of the book because in it. you're not only getting his perspective as you talk to him but his wife in back in the states you know he's talking to her on the phone and she's like well the routed caller war crime and It was just a terrible terrible incident in no one came out on top on that one. No it wasn't and I think that was one of one of the one of the incidents at dates. Breathe a certain amount of resentment amongst the ranks of the of soldiers on the ground hutches level of blood because they felt that they've been thrown under a bus. Because you had this. Major city falls to the taliban got pictures on twitter of the taliban Partying in the middle of good news in you. Send indies guys. You've never been to kuni a four on this very dangerous mission to rescue the city and then when something goes wrong then Acts like they are criminals and take any responsibility for the fact that you have come up with a plan to leave afghanistan. That's not sustainable. Because the problem was the dynamic that the americans had withdrawn jones support from afghan. Boys not get not ready to hold onto the territory that they were supposed to hold on the. Us wasn't prepared to let it go. You know another way that could have turned up. The us could have said okay. They lost news. We're going to step back because as we said we're no longer involved in this war and things would have turned out differently but they weren't prepared to both let's go to war and and defining ended that You know because at that point flight. Two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen. The government is telling us we're not at war anymore in afghanistan and There's the famous saying at that time was. There's no boots on the ground. I remember hearing that quite often in the news but there were a boots on the ground and it seemed like Without well i'll just call it like it seemed like the higher ups in kabul were setting these special forces a teams up to fail. I think i mean or to fail. Or i think i think there were a lot of missions that they did and especially sort of later on if you look towards what was going on. In later years they did. The mission did succeed in the short time. I mean even in kunduz even disastrous bombing of the hospital. They did get sitting back under. Afghan government control They're still was very little information out about the role that the us had actually had and the whole aim of keeping these secret was to make it look like the afghan government had done it mostly by themselves and so from that perspective. I mean you could stay. Emissions had succeeded but they hadn't they there was no long term. Success built into it because there was no plan to avoid losing. The city again. Happened to send the da's back in over and over again to the same places writing. You know that. I as you mentioned earlier. You mentioned that There was some hard feelings between some of the soldiers. And you know we either. The government are their military headquarters in one of the quotes. That i wrote down from the book because i mean i thought it was quite telling it where you know. One of the troops said we don't know what our goals are because they keep changing all the time. You don't know what we're supposed to be doing yet. You keep sending us out on crazy missions where we could all die for no reason and that isn't something you would normally hear from. Sf troops when they're talking to the commanders right. Yeah and that and that soldier Ends up stepping on a mine in saginaw during an operation whose purpose is not really clear. I mean you know why the. Us was out with the operation sang in when they weren't supposed to be a war anymore. is a question and that's how it was as as things worse than aghanistan. The rules changed the rules. Were sort of it. Be made in washington change as they were handed down. Soldiers went really given any explanation for them. It was more like okay from not going out to old now. They're being told that they have to go out. You know every week in doing operation Which without any bigger goal other than to just do an operation and clear. Something or our royal. Yeah so. I think it was very confusing for them. Zanny breakfast guys. let's go. I'm leaving for mcdonald's in five seconds. The breakfast emptied meal. It's only at mcdonald's where there's a meal for every morning and nothing says morning like a classic sausage mcmuffin with egg right. Now get this all time favorite for just two bucks on the one. 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We've never actually met tattoos so we're gonna talk to some people who have and maybe one of them will beat us to the man himself so we can have our own stories of meeting. Tom groups is really had to just ski about tom. Cruise here meeting tom. Cruise on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast for somebody who spent so much time in afghanistan. I believe it was like four years of your life that you spent their. You know one of the things that i've always been fascinated by in. I wanted to ask you this. Just your your personal opinion on this. Having been there for so many years the us changed their mission to kind of a nation building Type of thing where it seemed like afghanistan has always been a tribal society. Do you see this is just your personal opinion. Do you see this changing for the afghans. I mean they actually gonna pull together as a country or is it going to remain a tribal society for years to come you. I mean i think when you know when you when you're there you see example. The influence left by the soviets right like there is older. Afghans speak russian. And have you know science universities in russia and you see that kind of inputs in the same with the us after twenty years of the us being there you see a lot of us influence that has become part of afghan society in you know in major cities reading cobbles for example for me especially going back You know the last time it's mentioned nineteen others cafes where men in reminiscent together there. You have one or two. I guess you could say nightclubs where they can go into. Music can mix together. And there's absolutely no foreigners involved in this just afghan afghan thing and so i think there are a lot of western values that have had that have voted into into society But in the long run. I mean there's no way that us can build country in. Its in its name. Join any image. Afghanistan has a very long history with a lot of traditions. It's very Very diverse diverse country in. So i mean there's nothing they can do. You can do to to decide how they should have. They should lay event. The problem is when the us leaves. The afghans are going to have to figure out how to balance allow these influences amongst themselves Because you have in the south or the east very conservative very conservative tribal societies that another way of living. It's close to what we imagined. The taliban infants being women in burqas and not going out. And that's something that's native in. It's not necessarily been religious tribal thing whereas instead he's over decades you've seen liberal influences coming up and so they're going to have to balance that somehow without the us and looking at afghanistan as as a whole You know the things have changed obviously several times since our first troops hit the ground In two thousand one in one of them was the The introduction of isis into the country and the islamic state and we kind of in the united states here most of the people kind of lump is and al qaeda and taliban all into A big cauldron in like they're all the same but they're really not and you know they're kind of like the interlopers because they've got some Their support from former taliban members. What is it the feeling with the afghan government and the taliban for for what you can glean from your time there about how they feel about. I mean i think there's a lot of there's a lot of confusion. Designed t over. What isis reading means in afghanistan. The links between isis headquarters saying iraq. Syria are are unclear. I mean there are sort of isolated reports of money passing at one to the other two new amount of training Baby little some ideology but generally is not a very clear link when they see one of the troubling things. When you're looking at the afghan war is that you see a lot of attacks. High profile attacks blamed on isis. And you don't really have any claim from isis other than you know a day later. Isis in syria Statement is no real evidence that i actually had a role and so So we don't really know a lot about about them there. But there wasn't isis spokesman He was a group initially formed out of the pakistani taliban. The oaks men was killed in the us. Dren strike within a month or so becoming the spokesman the nominee hide from the afghan sense. So it's not really been any reliable journalists into with them directly in so we just don't know One of the examples is with the recent spate of attacks that you've seen in kabul. I mean so. Many different groups have an interest in destabilising kabul. Making it look like it's chaos so when you're looking at an attack near blaming it on isis it might well be some disgruntled government official or some or something. I mean there's never you can never really be sure this you investigate each specific attack whether it really was carried out by the person who claimed it at the afghan government has had an interest in playing up isis in the country. Because that keeps the america's interested under certain extent babs the americans have also had an interest in making. It seem like isis this very defined entity because then it gives you a very defined reason for staying right in devils one of the comments that president biden made recently very he was like the counterterrorism mission will continue. But it's kind of it's kind of a murky thing because who's you know who what missions are gonna go on there but we i guess that's a topic for a different time but as a woman. How difficult was it working being. Embedded with the afghan commandos was. Was there any pushback on there or did they welcome you any for me. I was to me. The reporting that i did was possible because i had an excellent afghan colleague. Had be handled. The head who i would do these embeds with and he was a Pashtoon guy he looked like talib in a long long hair but he was quite a hippy. At heart and You know he was basically keeping me safe there. He would tell me when a situation was good or bad You know he'd be able to be room for me. He was able to get access. From the ministry of defence you had was actually quite bureaucratic processes to embed with afghan forces. Which because they were built in in the image of Have these forms to fill out. So he was very good at navigating the ministry of defence and so it was possible that way afghan commanders afghan men in general they don't see momentum quite like to see them as the third gender almost And so you do get access people. Talk to you you know. Sometimes they're even wanted to not because they curious they maybe haven't seen women for months or years knows how long and so so you do. Obviously there are there other risks as the women's don't really want to be walking around a commander based by yourself having your guide there for the way you described them in the bookie e seemed like he was Threatening but he would kind of deter anyone from taking liberties with you. Well yeah. I mean not appreciative of the hospitals that we receive because a lot of the afghan commandos especially in we would. We would be attached to Captain levels would have guy and they would they would really be visible they would Meals take it out You know Patrols than give us the full view of what was going on. They're very interesting people. So i mean i think was he just kind of helping me. I guess aden and he held them up in. He kept me out of trouble when i was there. You know saying well now. Don't go down that hallway. You'll you know that sort of thing right right now. Did you wear the traditional women's garb over there. Yeah i mean if even when i was with the afghan Embedded with afghan soldiers. I always wore a abaya. Which is a long black cloak. site arabian and which over over my clothes. And i would wear an afghan tunic underneath and then obviously a head scarf if we were going out and trying to report from me if you're going to cnn. Afghan militia out in the middle of nowhere or reporting environment areas. And i would just. I would wear not gun cheating by backer over it because you under a backup at people tend not to bother you That was my way of getting around places that were more dangerous. Did you ever feel endanger working over there at different times. I mean yeah there were there. Were a lot of times where we would. We felt endanger. You know you're utterly is we. We relied a lot of local absolute contacts vixen serve. You're going somewhere very remote kunai new going in the car. And you're driving your toyota corolla. You're hoping that you don't get stopped at a checkpoint checkpoint you know we we driven into a couple of ambushes know one of them at cava damaged because we drove into or rather the insurgents in the in the mountain tops opened fire on the road where we were not not firing us but at a police convoy happened to pass us and so we had like a flat tire and stuff from that broken engine so be broke down in sarobi which is very insecure area. We always had nobody coming together so we have to take the three hundred like a local garrison. I just sat there in my back for hours. You know hoping that no one would want who we were in your there were. There were lots of times when when it felt insecure new really. It was really just down to lock because other journalists over the years that i was there would be doing something similar. erin Wrong so you know. Part of it is planning you time plan for for every outcome. You try and make sure you have all the information on the road that you're traveling on that you know your local contacts Local provincial district governor whatever local journalists something helping you. they're reliable and they can be trusted. Not to sal you to the enemy and speaking about the the us special forces guys in in the book Was there any pushback on. I'd say from like special operations command for them not to cooperate with it. I mean it was a grassroots effort. Like when i went to Headquarters to ask for interviews with people light general swindle. They were denied and so it was more a case of reaching out to people individually and then they would reach out to public fast person than i did have a approval from Public affairs subside that It was supposed to cooperate and help with my research that they support the publication of books. I did have that kind of official stamp. But i didn't get a lot of support from headquarters bid at the at the lower level I mean public guys would be like yeah. Sure you know talk to zone zone. They would sit in on the interview and they fear generally They were really supportive in that aspect. One of the another really compelling part of the book you talked at length above caleb The special operator that lost both of his legs and his story going through all of his struggles and and travails of learning to walk again. And and all that. Have you been in contact with him. Since the book's been out doing. I mean he's he's good he's He found his calling in helping other people. So he's He's teaching archery and he's really really impressive guy because he's so thoughtful and reflective on on things and he knows he has a good way. I think viewing what happened to him and sort of coming to times it. He's got an amazing family. He's got two little girls who are amazing And he's very you know he's he's very he'll say he. Yeah i mean. I find it really really good to work with him and And we do keep in touch. That's great and his wife seemed like a very very strong woman very strong woman. Very impressive women. Yeah yeah. I don't know how she has managed. I mean i have a have a baby myself now and i don't know have any. The wives managed. Now that i'm i'm in in the position of parents. Not just imagine giving what they did not know your your babies quite young right. You didn't have any children who are over in afghanistan. no i did not and so yeah. Yeah I've got a six month old baby so much for me for a while the age when they're six to ten months old i i i look back on that my son's now twenty two so i probably through rose colored glasses but i love that that stretch from the six. Six months to a year was part of my favorite time. I thought yeah. It's great I it's it's wonderful time and it's also you know it's good to have two parents in the house because there's no time and so i don't know how these have had a easily manage. You know worrying about their husbands never coming back or dealing with the injuries like helipad One two small kids Tina was pregnant. When hatch was over in in the mission in kunduz. I mean. I can't imagine doing what they did. I find that so impressive. Yeah the the women in the book that again that was you know one of the better parts of the books because not only. Are you getting the story of the soldiers. You're getting their families back home and you know the the women. I thought were really strong in this yet. Your heart goes out to some of the guys who ended up getting killed because you know most of the american public we see just aftermath. You might see a picture of a funeral where somebody's getting a folded flag but those you know there's a lot more to that in the families there that example. Alexandra mcclintock mcclintock. He's husband was killed in montana. I mean i know that she hasn't. She hasn't read the book she hasn't read. I mean as i was writing. Publication obviously sent the chapter job it to the people that way and it so that they had a chance to correct anything that was inaccurate or weigh-in made because mean five years on. It's still such a session. Hopefully awful things that have gone through. I think people when they talk about while. We're only leasing tenuous soldiers a year. Were twenty. I mean what are we losing them for and do we really consider the impact of the nas. Just a single soldier ready. And that's one of the things that i wanted to convey combined. The book right and speaking in general terms is do you think the journalism is changing the way wars are covered nowadays. I mean because we live in that era back in world war two and even in vietnam. It was like you know so far in the distance and you'd have to rely on newspapers back in world war two or you know the radio you'd get reports that were maybe a day or two old than vietnam started coming into our living rooms at night but today i mean we're seeing stuff as unfolds in is is the way is journalism changing the way we look at wars. Now i think that it's really. I think it's more the other way round I think that in early years in afghanistan and in iraq obviously you had journalists embedding with a range of different troops for a length of time that gave them a chance to maybe see or understand what was going on since two thousand fifteen when the afghan will was when there was this effort to put the afghan war out of the public Journalists don't really get combined with us forces and the very few embedded granted grandoni to a couple of these journalists. You haven't got a lot of In-depth experiencing afghanistan and they don't get a lot of time to see to suspend these troops so you don't really learn a lot just by being there for two days or so three days and i think that really makes it difficult for journalists to really cover out. What what the war is like. Now and Yeah and so it has unfortunately sort of faded out the public's mind that's very true. I mean we see it every day here in the states but you know the the book in and again to our listeners out there we're talking with just the ninety. She wrote the book Eagle down the the last Special forces fighting in the forever war and and really. I mean after reading the book. This should be Required reading i think for government leaders military war colleges because it shows what can happen in it can happen quite easily when we strip. Our special operations forces are Anyone involved in that kind of You know situation of their assets. And you know. We're putting their lives in harm's way and i can't tell you how much i thought i was impressed with your work in this and and i thought it was a fantastic book and like i said at times. It was very Uplifting and at other times it was very Concerning i guess in you know When we see our guys are going through on a daily basis. And i think you captured that and Our hats are off to you and we encourage all of our readers are all of our listeners to Definitely check out the book. It's available on amazon dot com. It's also available. I believe offer you website correct yet. There's a list of sellers on the publishes website from his shots and Pretty much all have big satish be able to get a copy if you don't want to go down the amazon route rate in Yeah we don't wanna take up too much more of your time. I know you have a young baby at home. And your is your husband journalist as well absolutely not another catalyst using the foreign service. Okay currently handling the baby. Oh well there you go. That's that that is a diplomatic curtain itself. So yes seeming. I have. But i can hear him from here. I won't keep you any longer. Thanks for joining us this evening. Your time this morning on our time but We really appreciate your insight. You taking the time to talk with us here at software radio again. We definitely encourage our readers and listeners. Out there to check out the book. It's well worth it but before we go. You're quite welcome anytime and is there anything before we go. Is there anything that on the agenda for you at. You're working on something new. I'm going back to my job covering National security at the wall street journal starting march. And um we'll see we'll go from there excellent so that means you'll be probably back in the states by then. Yeah yeah heading back next. Excellent well i know it must be tough leaving africa because it's such a beautiful place but we all we wish you all the best in that and again. 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Cheese! A Photography Podcast-Episode 9

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Cheese! A Photography Podcast-Episode 9

"Welcome everyone to an episode of cheese photography podcast. I'm your host Jose in court with me. I have two very special guests. Hopefully one is is A permanent host John and And another person that you're since this is mainly it's not an an official Suji podcast but I do love my Fuji System. So if you're into Fuji you're going to know this gentleman as well so I I want to introduce John John John. I met you at the Fuji Loaf Workshop and you and I For the most part hung out throughout the weekend and got to to know each other very well and instantly I was like I gotta get this guy on the podcast or something and collaborated with him a lot more often. So how you doing. I'm doing fantastic. How's everybody doing good good pretty excited about this particular episode and and We'll get to know you a little more job but I also want to introduce car and even though I literally two minutes ago actually how to pronounce now she name. I'm going to butcher to get through it so you probably recognize the voice. He is a yen's crowder now. That was correct. Congratulations thank you. Okay thank you. I Dunno I spoke but but You're quite popular amongst Fuji Shooters. Your work is unbelievable. You're and especially the way I saw that you you actually conduct. This work is even more impressive. And we'll get to that because you and and Tamatsh hosted a Fuji Love Workshop and getting to see you guys in person person and John. I don't know if you agree with me but the the passion that you guys have for what you would teaching us just came out like it's you can tell them what someone is is full of crap. You guys are definitely genuine So I made that whole weekend a lot easier because I I it was a bit intimidating because I'm like Oh my God they go to Marsh John's so I'm like holy crap you know and but once and of course I came in thirty minutes late So the intimidation factor was like a full at All time high but once I started seeing you guys work house like all right. This is going to be an awesome weekend so what. What are your thoughts? John Regarding that I mean I echo what you just said Jose I I think I went into this. With a certain degree. Degree of trepidation and My background I was a news photographer so I know how to work in this fashion But I was inspired looking at all of you and yet it's like I mean. I saw how you photographed and I was amazed how will blended into an environment And I've always thought that one of the highest compliment you can pay. Somebody is saying I. I didn't even know you were there when you took that. Photograph can and to me. That was the way you are operating is like you were kind of a Ninja in l.. It's great you know when you go in to a large city like New York. There's so many people and so many of them aren't making eye contact with each other so I think that that helps the process. A little bit is the fact that you have a certain cloak of invisibility no matter what you do in a city like that because first of all there are a lot of people and also. There's a camera culture there so people are used to having made a camera close to them or in close proximity does your mind. Yeah and before not so interrupts John smut. I pronounce Your Name Three Different Times already but yeah it looks like there's not much they can but the funny thing is that you're told all I'm six two you're taller than me. Say Guy and John was just talking about I contact but one thing you guys. His were very specific about was when. You're conducting a street photo of particularly particularly someone a- As a subject. You want that I contact. So that's what makes it even more challenging and more impressive was that you're not one you're not the type to just easily blend like similar to me but yet you did and you got right up close and and got the eye contact which is what a lot of people want so I guess that will lead into our first question. Where did you develop the skill set? I think there's different aspects different aspects that nothing one of the key things is that you actually know who you are and how you look and how you kind of come across because once you're aware of that you can you can play with that As you said I for example people tell me like okay. People don't don't do anything to you because you're tall guy said it's equally difficult for me to hide so it's all about finding your specific strategy works for your appearance and your character and once you learn to blend in with the character and find purpose in in certain locations this becomes easier the more you do it and it's on point it works at least fifty percent of the time and it never works fifty percent of the time and the other thing is a little bit of street. smarts always helps being being able to kind of see our people occupied. Are they paying attention. Rda Hyper aware like where's my point of entry house dynamics and his place. There's a whole lot of things that kind of click together and after a while you have the little details down and then you just execute execute and repeat at a John. I just was looking at your photos again. Yes and I noticed. A lot of your photos happened happen to be in low or existing light situations And first of all the other things that you've done you've worked in and tagging and graffiti. Correct that's correct. Yeah I spent many years with aerosol cans in my backpack instead of a camera on my Nice Nice I see a lot of parallels with that and he also worked as a DJ or still work as a DJ Not Executives that EJ. But I was managing different Nightclubs over the course of ten years that was in in the environment of the music business for quite a while. It's awesome and I mean Gene Woodham saying is a lot of these activities. Lend themselves to nighttime do you. Do you find yourself more. Do you find yourself gravitating towards photography at night or in low light situations. I kind of did very much in the beginning and that I I still do kind of but daylight works for me as well. I figured it's all about lights and if you can find deadly same kind of light situation In daylight that you can find at night it actually makes not much of a difference but I tend to get out maybe around noon and I stay out until midnight so at least half of my shooting time always goes into into the dark. I kind of like how artificial light shapes the urban environment. And how you can kind of isolate things and Uh kind of construct the image with with this Quo- quote natural light. That you have in the night in big cities and that was the amazing thing to the waiver in New York. I the fact that they're all these tall buildings and we had this late breaking across things even in the middle of the Day or light Reflecting off the sides of car windows or that SORTA thing I mean in some situations they could just as really been a nighttime photograph just the way the light was hitting things. Yeah absolutely I mean. Excuse me for jumping in but especially in New York if you choose the light side of the street or the dark side of the street literally is night and day and that isn't much difference between the Dark Sarah Street On that at twelve o'clock at night and At noon because the lighting is nearly identical. So you have all the time in the city so if you can handle both it makes you do a lot more efficient yen and specifically the the the photo that you took with the gentlemen with the newspapers and he's looking right at you so I remember you were explaining that you took your time with that one. What what I was referring to an effing? It's it's it's a big truth in in in St Auction Gentlemen candidate photography's if you find something it's more difficult to find something than to photograph something and if you you find something it's absolutely worth to shoot it again and again and again In a specific case of this gentleman I think I tried to shoot him even the year before four and then last year en and even during the day several times. And it's pointed. It just worked out but you gotta kind of you gotTa be persistent to to get a picture picture if you found the picture and you memorize it and you kind of want to get it just you know you have to repeat repeat repeat it's It's one of the troops in street. Photography repetition leads to success. And just just. I doubt that I told anybody this at the time but going the into the workshop. Not that I was overconfident or anything but I thought okay you know I kind of consider did it myself. You know somebody WHO's somewhat experienced in street photography and stuff like that because I live in New York City and on my way to work I take the camera with me and then after work on my way to the train. I carried a camera again so I have the luxury of just being around all different types of environments and characters but once you gave us the assignments and then you will like all right. You take this corner you take that corner you guys do this and and do then I'm like holy crap this La harder than I that I realize you know so it was a really good It was a way to kind of ground myself a bit because on social media we see it a lot we see people and I remember you mentioned this that some people people will and I'm guilty of it but the Hashtag of street photography and then of course through photography is you know relative to the individual you know how they perceive it but after a while I started to especially after that workshop I started to appreciate the the work that goes behind some of these photos that we assume are just like Oh that person passed by he took a shop is real this. There's a real craftsmanship to it having the that's very true and we don't want to glorify ourselves as just a simple truth that expectation expectation management in three talk super important. I think if if you know the eighty twenty rule so you put eighty percent of your work into getting very few oh good images and yeah I mean there is a whole lot of work involved. That can tell you that when I go to New York for three months. Am I come home home with the roundabout ten thousand pictures if I can use about three. Let's say four for them of them from an ex portfolio. I'm already happy the. NFL put three months of work into that. So it's all where it's also about how you where you put your own can of bar and the higher you push it the more difficult to gets. It's not just tremendously. Enjoy pushing bar higher and higher. I mean from my point of view without wouldn't do it. It will get boring you know. Yeah yeah now. One of the gentlemen. That was Zehr Matthew. He has a question for you and since we're talking street photography so it's the perfect way to blend into it He said he wanted to no your feelings on the economics of street photography as possible to monetize it kind of it. That's a difficult one. I mean there's so many ways you could potentially do it to monetize three dogs and I think there's a lot of people that can achieve to do it. I would not bet on it if you look for your next income. That will be kind of kind of risky And is rarely the photography itself. I mean the pictures itself that pay anything I do for example all sell pictures from time to time and But that's a difficult one because especially if you start out and you start selling pictures actually by selling you. I picture for a low price. You kind enough devalue your work so if you talk to people who are professionals in the business of selling images they tell you as long as possible not to sell anything and then only Salomon small number so pay. My next month's rent with selling images will become difficult so as you said we do all the things around it. So we do workshops. We podcast we we do seminars. There's a whole kind of a value chain around street photography that if if which I'm very grateful for for if people are interested in you can actually make a small living of it but if you ever want to get rich Don't get into street photography and it's really not easy to find the way that you can really follow your passion all the percent and still pay your rent on a regular basis so it's a tricky one very individual choices involved this as well. Would you say that because of social media specifically instagram where the Hashtag street photography's used so freely you think that kind of watered down the whole John Mara of street photography to wear it devalues it also values actual actual physical France that people would be willing to sell and maybe make a living out of it. Well I'm not sure I think we if we fair. I think there's a lot of people are very enthusiastic. The motivated and they WANNA show their work and there may be in a very early stage of starting out then. I would never say like you can't do that. I think It's always bad to stop the excitement of people again to keep that going. Then when we talk about the Self I think things get to a point. I mean the further. You go the more kind of distilled things become and then things get either sorted out or included. This happens naturally anyway so I would did not overvalue like the use of hashtags. It makes it more difficult if you put industry the Hashtag street photography incident to find the good pictures. 'cause there's millions of them. Yes but I think this election kind of works naturally in itself Social as a whole nother subject as a whole But let let people have fallen. I think you know if there's fallen if there's enthusiasm go for it. Yeah chime in for one second actually going to ask you John since you you you your professional photographer who's made a career out of it I wanted to get your thoughts in regards to make an a living as the photographer. Absolute I mean with the street photography one thing that stuck out in my mind during this workshop. Last October he said that Documentation is an act of love as opposed surveillance. So my my interpretation from what you you were saying with that was. This isn't really about the money this is about the love of what you're doing the power of observation And and on that same vein. You're saying you know you gotTA shoot. You're shooting for yourself. You're you're not shooting for an algorithm and my background background is editorial photography. So I worked as a newspaper photographer in the northeast United States And even though we'd like to say that we Chris Shooting ourselves most the time invariably things would get filtered through other people and expectations so being with all of you guys was was very refreshing for me because I had to go into this With a certain amount of beginner's mind like I felt like okay. This is what I'm GonNa do this weekend. I'm going to act like from another planet and observing civilization for the first time for the first time I I think sometimes at least with me that helps. It's just like I got to get rid of all the clutter in my head and like you're saying it's not about the algorithm anymore. It's it's just about the novelty whatever revelation you can pull from. I fully agree. I think this is a valid point. John and I feel obliged to add edsall into that. I think it's important in this discussion to say that for a professional taught me that wh- what purpose does photography Hafer you now. If you're a professional photography the sense of I need to put food on my plate then that's a whole nother approach and this is your job you need to deliver. If you're a press photographer you need to go Out and bring that picture back to purposes to put it in the paper and then there's the people who do photography for technical reason as people who do photography for creative reasons seasons who kind of take the risk and give themselves this kind of luxury with a lot of Let's say hustle attached. So let's let's be clear about what kind talk if you're what purpose we talk about. A professional photographer gives you a totally different. Answer to that question Yeah that's true and you know one of the questions that I had sent. You was regards to trends. And it's so easy to fall into a trend in a similar to what John was saying. That you you kind of you look through all the clutter and you kind of forget that you got into this for yourself. And that's that's similar to the way I went in as I stated I thought like Oh yeah familiar with streep Sogefi and then all of a sudden. I'm like Whoa WHOA. This is totally different than what I was expecting. And that's when I realized realize okay I gotta go with fresh eyes and by a an elevator technician so I'm I'm accustomed to always trying to hone my skills by pretending I don't know anything given dorm up. You know professional elevator builder older. But I go into I go into especially with the mentality that and podcasting whatever I do whether it's so you know whatever content I'm creating. I always try at least a few times a month so pretend that I don't know anything because it's still small little details details and the basics that we if we overlook them. We don't truly reach our our tourist potential. So how do you this. Also you John and and I'm just GONNA put your name again. Sorry go ahead but but I was great. But how do you stray away from trends. Because they're so overpowering because we all met through social media so it's it's in our face all the time how. How do you avoid that Joe? Johns go I I I just take sort of Zan approach to things and I also come up with ways of thinking. When I'm not taking a photograph I like to run some of my best thoughts for the ideas? Come when up completely detached from a camera on because to me I I just see. The camera is a tool An ideally daily. You WanNa find a tool that works for you kinda like what David. Douglas Duncan said. You know I Mike cameras like a toothbrush it. It serves a purpose So I think that the charm of photography for me going into different situations is to try to go in a with a fresh set of eyes with No preconceptions preconceptions maybe some kind of mental construct of some sort but also with certain degree of open-mindedness. Like what you were talking about Yeah you definitely got a and as you said. It's a tool as same way as a poet holding a pen. The pen is going to illustrate what he's thinking and then put into another part of the whole process. which is the piece of paper so everything leads to something? And as a whole that's where the creativity comes in so what about you. IANSA greeted having a piece of paper and a pen is not an achievement yet. Yes to answer your initial questioner about the trains and photography. I don't believe in Trans in photography. I really don't i. It comes from different angles because I used to spend time in the music. Business trends are usually kind of sales mechanisms. And I don't think you can you can Sub How sending us like put your creativity below trend you will always be behind. Let's say for this four years circles in a certain style that kind of images in right now. Everybody wants to do that so the moment you see that you'll need two years to catch up and then you'll need another four years to produce the work or maybe two years and then. The trend has changed so by following trends. You're always running after something. I I believe you should just like find your style. Do what you do. And then within. Let's say a five six seven years circle your style. We'll be back in trend. Just you know Wade out until people like again on a trend level what you do in but never follow the trends photography. I think you will set yourself up up for for being very miserable. Yeah Yeah I totally agree. And I've heard stories where for example wedding photographers. The client is telling them look. We want the photos that look like this. And they're like well that's not my style and they're like Oh but this is what we want but for those of us who want to make a living the trends can affect us because because it depends on what type of work you're doing but if you're dealing with clients some clients might WanNa you know if they're doing family photos like oh we want to be on the bed having a pillow fight and you're like that that's not the vision I had for you guys but they might insist. Well I think the moment you have clients actually declined client is right. Yeah so you just have to think about. Do I WANNA take clients or Emma with different kinds of photography is what I meant to say before. We need to be very careful about people. People make him professional money with photography. have totally different priorities. Unique the client's happy at the end of the day that's true as they want to have images and have a pillow fight. That's what you paid to do. Yeah yeah unless they're covered in oil and chicken feathers. Awesome perfect world. Your client hires eve for your vision. And they trust that person. That's true and that's which despite away ties into the other questions you two things about that so you either your Creator or you're trying to catch up to the trend and then very the very started. When I started photography I started working with professional picture editors and I asked that question I said do I need to learn how to do Flash people photography in order to be able to offer that and she's a very expeience smart woman. No just develop your style and and kind of make it your own to the point where you can interpret and flip it on any subject. I think that's the smart way to go about wise words absolutely and which leads to a question from our very own Jeffrey. Who by the way I met on the Fuji Low facebook page and then we kept in touch before the workshop He had a question and is very similar to street photography. But it could also apply to anyone who is looking to get into photography and say what would you suggest for for someone getting started basically one of the first steps. They should for anyone who wants to get into photography beyond using a cellphone. What would be the first steps that you would recommend why I think two things are important first unique on the stand? How photography works? If you don't know and then the second I I would I would figure out what kind of pictures I wanted to like. I like find the direction to go. which is the first that may be kind of Jarrah say I'm fascinated native landscape or by portrait And then kind of decide to learn something instead of learning everything a little bit. I think that's kind of kind of important. They get the get the basics down get an overview over styles and genres define a direction and then start walking forward right. And what about you. John what would you suggest you have to have an insatiable curiosity about something or some things. I think data feeds it. I think if you are interested in something if you care about something that's GonNa pull you in a direction that you probably need to be. I I definitely think that technical is important aspect of that. But you know once you've mastered the technical side that becomes sort of an afterthought Through which you can project What you WANNA see? I think I think context matters and Again it depends. What kind of photography August your? But if you move into any kind of environment that has a tradition. I think it's most likely worth to check it out for inspiration for knowing doing what what what kind of footsteps you try to walk in and also to to motivate you to to refer back to the before last question. I think he can give give you also a lot of drive forward to know where the story you working in comes from and who's been there before. Yeah and I WANNA I wanna ask you guys because as someone who's relatively new it's been about five years for me that I really got into photography and bought my first. I camera body. We all here. I'm sure plenty of plenty of people listening. Have we all have been told old age. You got you have the I have a great I and Blah Blah Blah and always posing something in the oddest ways. Do you find yourself doing Out of habit is something that all the time. All the time I in the meantime after doing it for for few years I learned to shut golf because he can get exhausting. Certain points in the meantime I have as well really like okay. I'm not I'm not looking today. I don't know I kind of want arrest because I of course I don't think especially that I'm an. Add person's my brain badly shots down. Say so I'm I'm constantly the analyzing things and I think it comes down to also to what we see as part of us like in photography like what I want to see in. The picture is a whole lot overview personality and your point of view. And if you observe the world for a long time and you're in your photography you show me your personal point of view things that surprise me of things say something about yourself like meaning you are in touch with yourself when you look for subjects. That's the moment where it gets interesting testing for me so for me. It kinda comes natural because just shoot what I'm interested in and see the same level of personality in another photographers' work that actually makes interest from superbowl. I I think it's something a break before I try to turn it off when I can but I think it was beneficial perks Especially after I got out of college I did something completely different when I was in school And I just had this curiosity. That wouldn't quit and I wanted. Continue to learn so author. Journalism is that vehicle to see new things and to see them in a new way. You know even more so as as I went along I don't think it's something that I can ever completely shut off its It's a struggle when when I want to shut it off but I'm also grateful eightfold in some ways that all of us once we get into this week really don't completely shut it off altogether yes. It's always there in the background Like Jan site I have a certain amount of ADHD too. So I think I guess I I mean some people see that as a negative thing You know especially when your partner girlfriend saying did you hear what I just said. We're looking at a crack in the ceiling of something and thinking that it's you know the Nile Al River and another universe. We're GONNA get a macro. Yeah I definitely think it makes you or do you. Yeah I think you made a good point there on our like to also add that. I think a lot of how we see actually needs to be intuition intuition. It needs to be us if it's very analytical very constructed image Canada shows so I believe I just shoot what I what I feel drawn onto an offshoot it the way I feel drawn to and I exactly practice dead outside of trends so I'm trying to get more personal as I go along along and I we just all do that. Like not not even trying to imitate anything just like really give us person points of volume tuition. Yeah and that's the that's the great thing about this. Is that where the three of us have a very similar way of thinking when it comes to analysing our environment around us us but yet we each have a different style and perspective when it comes to photography because what John like we joke around with the Apple Bowl and that's like an inside joke but that was like holy crap. Why didn't I think of that? And the other image that I haven't seen you post anywhere John and with the window and the Empire State Building in the background right that was frigging unbelievable and house like Holy Holy Crap. How the Hell did you see that that was that was the double exposure? Yeah completely in the Dane of street photography An I'd say that the apple was also a little bit of editorializing arm That's like some of my professional influence. It's filtered into that situation but I was also part of that was also part of little Challenged challenge at Tomas gave us was like blend two elements into a photo that tell a story. So obviously you put the apple and we were in Manhattan and you had at the front of the train station in Times Square so it was like perfect. I was like holy crap. That's awesome and I'm glad I didn't get run over but you know art is risk. Sometimes right Oh. Yeah Jen's did we tell you about the whole you. You came in to the compensation when he was talking about clowns and John Literally ran a block away to catch up to a cloud. Because remember you were telling US sometimes you have to walk in front of the crowd if you see someone interesting well confronted him and then we passed so shove literally ran like half a block in front of the person because all of a sudden there were more clowns like his dad. Ed they were moving fast. They were on the go. And you had you had across four lanes so that was the most amazing part you know. Look at the Scott I go man. That's one of those clowns. I just can't get enough. I guess birthday. Did you get a good picture on from situation. I think so. I mean I. I ran in front They were moving. I'll share with you. Guys is. I'll send it to you and see what you think. She rose moving fast like you. You really had a hustle to get in front of them but genesis goes back to something something you were saying during that workshop. Don't carry a lot of things with you and so I I follow your advice and I carry a win camera camera when Lens that day and that allowed me to run after the clowns if I if I had another bag around my neck I think. Discover the difference so I like that approach. It's something that I'm adopting more and more sometimes less is more. You're also sometimes eliminating choices. Makes things actually easier coast. There's only one way to act about thank you. You cannot hesitate because there's is no older option and early Barghuthi I mean. Missed the talk. Brazil only had one lens anyways. The options were limited in some ways. It improves your options. So John at when we were doing fulltime photo journalism awesome. What was your preferred folk links What what what Lens was your Go-to Lens? Typically had two cameras around my neck league leaguer opposite to what I was just talking about so I had I typically go with the seventy two two hundred on one leads on a two eight and on the other. I I'd probably have a twenty four to seventy two eight auto up now. I pretty much not one camera person I might use a zoom lens from time to time Because because of my editorial background I'm shooting all kinds of situations is in there Expectations of variety images. So I do have to have some options as far as The magnification of the image. How isolated things czar Shoot me wide medium. Close Up is a typical approach that taken with St Petard is different I agree with you guys in that Street photography I think is more about the stealing situation and not necessarily seeing the whole scene all the time. You're you're honing in on something because it's catching your I see you don't WanNa necessarily have zoom lens or something with a you know a mediocre aperture you went to isolate. You WanNA blurb things out three pop exit exactly exactly so. Let's talk a little bit about the future First of all what projects do you have coming up. You can talk about because you might have something. That's no one knows about so. We don't WanNA intrude on that anything currently coming up that we should keep an eye on. I'm I'm I'm doing many things right now. I'm I'm trying to concentrate. I moved now from Still off street not stop doing it. But I moved into a documentary photography geography. A lot and Did this a lot of the last year I spent Two months in Brooklyn documenting certain environments which which you can actually check out on the Fuji Film Ex? US page at the something with the three for that. And I will go back to Brooklyn next year hopefully for five six months to dive even deeper into the documentary project. Wow and otherwise. I'm also I'm doing video I might. I'm thinking about doing a new podcast project. I'm working through twenty five thousand images from New York from last year so that there's a whole whole lot to do and win. A new portfolio of exhibitions coming up. So yeah it's you know. Self employed in photography means. You're working all the time exactly but I'm sure because you love it. It doesn't feel like work no absolutely. I'm grateful I wouldn't. I wouldn't go back to my corporate job and put on a tie again. I'm kind of checked out of that for the rest of my life so I'm happy. It's not as easy as it may sound. It's the whole stigma of all you got to go go to college. You got to have a career you've got to have a family and make sure you have this and this and then we can fall into that trap not necessarily a trap but you know Oh a lot of times people like us who are who who liked to think. Very freely and creatively really put a burden because you're fighting leading to different ideals. So I'm at that crossroad. Right now tat I hear you. I've been there and I think it's an important decision to make and you shouldn't take take it lightly as soon as you also have kids and family and stuff like that. Lots of other factors come into play. Must be a very conscious decision into smell. Another light-hearted choice of yeah. Yeah so that's a word of advice to to those listening and is in the same thought thought processes so John. What about you anything coming up are you? Are you going to go back into fertile photo journalism. I'd say that my love is always with footage journalism in that way shooting. I worked as a news. Photographer also worked as a director of photography at a couple of newspapers. The law so But that had that had. That was a mixed bag to because I wasn't taking as many photos and the industry's trees has changed so much in the last Thirty years as you guys know. There's a lot of downsizing there a lot of people with with cameras now Who worked for news organizations but at the same time? They're not as many photographers. So you have writers with cell phones not sort of thing In that respect it's kind of depressing so I'm venturing away from that. I had still have a a reverence for photojournalism I was inspired by this this workshop. We all took this fall with Jens and and I WANNA go more in that direction I'm also doing portraits Doing doing head shots even corporate work. Because I think that there there is a practical part of me. I have to make a living I have to put food on the Absolutely and I'm also doing some pro bono were For a new Paralympic sport called race running so the last few years I've been in Copenhagen for A big competitive event. They have their And that's that's been very gratifying. Flying as well yeah. That's that's basically been documentary. Photography mixed with Sports Peta Journalism. Yeah and I feel L.. Like feel that street and documentary photography. Oh somewhat similar Depending on how you do it knowing one and I I believe Kinda helps the other. Because you're you're not staging everything documentary I they. If you're in journalism you're not supposed to stage anything period bid some people might disagree with me but Yes street photography to me. He is the same way I think no matter what they're always is going to be a little bit of you in that photograph and I think that's something you should strive war is. That's what differentiates you from other people's work. Yes I think I think there's a little historical fact. We also need and and keep in mind as well which is if you look back at the last century at for example. What Magnum did Cartier Bresson Copa Body and all these guys That was too large part. Also streets will talk and until twenty years ago or thirty years ago. Nobody ever used the term street photography it was all about documenting humans humans and then the output and maybe the ethics was a bit different if it was journalistic oils documentary people. St Street definitely has the most freedom but those also all very close siblings from the same family with the same kind of intention and when you ask Cardio Blazo Why he did street photography he will tell L. U.? He hates to turn street photography so the Term Street photography is rather recent Add on to kind of genre thing before this all came out of the same intention at least so we're all very close together in this sticking to the future of photography and the industry as a whole where we're now seeing the pattern that apple and cell phone manufacturers have adapted is said Cameras and now coming Manatt more frequently. Sony's kind of the the the leader in that where every six months. There's a new version of the camera that just released and of course that type of Consumerism is also distracting because a lot of great conversations for example on the Fuji Love Facebook facebook page can be drowned out by tech talk and we saw the outrage with the ex pro. Three where it was about all about the screen and people. We're just jumping into conclusion having arguments having these You know time consuming debates but the fact is technology especially what we see with. Let's say the Google Pixel phones. Don't the algorithms that are produced with with within their camera. Even the IPHONE can produce background blur will that type of technology or all those types of algorithms make their way into a to a camera body and if so how would that affect professionals I use I used to work in. It for awhile and I think that camera manufacturers from a very general point of view have a little bit of homework to do when it comes to how in two thousand twenty deal would software and open development environments and kind of allow people to also work with the computing part of a camera as they are today little computers. I think it's a flaw that we can do that yet. And yet the cell phone guys are light years ahead in that aspect so I don't know where this is leading but I'm generally calling me from the point of a good pictures. Good picture at the end of the atom care if you took it with an iphone eleven or within the next three if the picture is amazing pictures amazing but I I think I don't know what if you just goes but A lot of people will probably use cellphones in the future instead of cameras but then an iphone Ken to what the fifty s can't do and the blur on the iphone. Steel is a machine rendering and not another physical process says so there is differences in that I think for those who want to come. Close the IPHONE or the phone. General will be the tool of choice. Let's see what is technology goals and for camera so many factors like they need to catch up a little bit to the digital features of those phones since we are having computers with Lens so I think these worlds probably mix a little bit. I don't have no idea what is going in general. I really don't know I couldn't tell you this is going to be very interesting. What do you think John A? I do agree with jets. I think the best cameras the one that you have with you but I think when you're trying to figure out what to do you with a camera you gotta figure out what your needs are first then figure out what tools gonNA work for you. I mean don't you think it usually works out that way. I think that Yet we were talking about trends earlier and cameras aren't immune from the trends and the software and all that. I think there's a lot a lot of people out there including me comparing what I'm doing with what everybody else is doing. But if we just slow it down a little a bit and just figure out what what is your needs in. What are your needs in photography with her mind needs and then you work from that base to figure out were you wanna go with your dog? I definitely think that everything's getting smaller and less expensive. 'cause I remember when I got into digital photography in newspapers over twenty years ago a DSL. Our camera was about fifteen to twenty thousand dollars and it. It can't while the Kodak DC S. Five twenty which was a canon es Kodak Digital Camera and it shot oughta maybe three three megapixel something really small something that an iphone or a Samsung Galaxy without due you in a heartbeat And two thousand three CF card one GIGABYTE card was three hundred hundred dollars. Now Look we're the that money will get us now. We can probably get maybe a five twelve or Tarot by Card for the same price ace. That's five hundred sixty two thousand times larger file storage size So everything exactly in speed too because We're going in different directions. Not just still photography in certain media including newspapers. We're being required to photograph video uh-huh as well so we have to have all the options on the table because that's what everybody is clambering for but if you're doing it for yourself again yet you gotta figure out outlet your needs are and work from this needs. It's a similar thing with the wholesale FY Culture. I mean I think nowadays people come back from channel nine that's mean from the Eiffel Tower. Tower that's me in front of the Empire State Building. That's me at the beach like I feel. Tell a quick story about a Selfie. Stick back in Rome. I was about to take a photo of an Egyptian tomb and it was huge and I was like Oh man is going to be great. Great as I'm about my photo lady walks in front of me would a selfie stick and starts like fixing her hair and she's like like and I'm looking at her like in disbelief like just staring at her like. Are you going to acknowledge that I was here. And then in the corner Mayes of guys standing ending with his head down so I look at them and he's he looks at me puts his head down again. And I'm like shaking my head like are you going to say anything to your wife. It is Kinda rude and my wife. She knows me so she's like Joey. Just relax take us at Phnom in Rome. I'm taking it easy a AH just you know. She was so oblivious and then a few feet away I get hit with a Selfie. Stick so it was like. Oh my God I gotta get Outta here. He knew Jose that sounds like a good photo. Yeah right you mean standing because you what one hundred years from now we're going to be looking back at all these trends and things were not going to be looking back because we're going to be in the ground gainer with their with their cameras. been just as a time. This is a time in history where this is going on and I think that points to the importance of photography of these things even though it might seem mundane right now the fact that she's taking out herself he's sick might be lend itself to a good street photography that might be appreciated further down the road maybe not now but for its down the road. So we're going to wrap it up. John where can we find and you if you have anything currently going on you would like people to know about and work in finding but my name is John Clark Russ Clarksville within the at the end of it Russ is our us us And honestly I'm in the process of blowing up my websites Just changing my completes look over so revisit this conversation about a month or so. I'm going more in the direction of portraits. Awesome looking forward to seeing what you could do. You and Jen's what about you. Where can we find? Well you'll find me at the W. W. W. Dot Gains Krauer our dot Com and it all goes from there you also find me on the x photographers homepage. And she typed Mingo. Will you final stuff as well. So I'm I'm always happy if somebody comes by and thank you in advance if you have a look at my page. Yeah Yeah and you don't post very often but when you do is like he's disposed and everybody which is great because you you also mentioned that at the workshop and do you have in straight from that ever since like I notice. I'm like okay. Yeah he doesn't really pulse and you made a great point. You said a photo is going to be good whether I posted today or six months from now or if I posted it last year still going to be great and people are still going going to gravitate to that makes no. The difference is like an amazing song. You can listen to it for your whole life exactly exactly. So that's a great tip and that's a great way for us to end the podcast. So thank you everyone for listening and thank you guys for joining me today. We'll talk to you next week.

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Jocko Debrief #2 With Dave Berke: Importance of Contingency Planning

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42:36 min | 10 months ago

Jocko Debrief #2 With Dave Berke: Importance of Contingency Planning

"This is the Jaakko debrief podcast episode two with Dave Burke and Jack Willink Dave. Let's debrief. What do you got. Working with this company and we them for a little while but they have A. Facing a little bit of a challenge they've got a competitor right now that for the last several months has been prepping a release of a competitive product same same idea same space to them. And they had been building up in anticipation of this competition releasing this product. And their plan was they were going to go out kind of canvas the country, a lot of face to face interaction with their potential clients at kind of explaining the difference between those two and try to show that their product is still disputed product. There is no face to face conversations right now, some talking to the head of the Sales Department who had built the strategy on. Doing this face to face and because they cannot implement that strategy. He feels like they are setting themselves up for a retreat and that they are going to loose because his other company is positional better and that they are concerned about how that's going to play out And they actually should be concerned. Well. Yeah if you're if you've got plan A. and. It looks like plan isn't going to work and you don't know what plan B is. You're you're gonNA face some issues. That's why we contingency plan. Yeah. The contingency planning for first of all contingency planning is something you should do all the time you plan. A is a good plan that's fine but you should always have some backups at least consider what a lot of people do and I understand this to we don't always think of these other really worse case scenarios when they were doing their initial planning a year and a half ago I mean this is a long range released. This doesn't just happen overnight. Nobody was really thinking of this massive change, which is totally understandable. So some of the problems that come with this totally different world, all the companies are facing it. It's not like one company can go do face to face meetings and you can't you're kind of stuck in the same boat. The real issue here is we started to dissect it was. So we had this big wave come out and March this this Kobe wave that shut all travel down. And the plan was, hey, it's made June I, see the light at the end of the tunnel restarted of rent backup it looks like travel is going to open backup we're going to stick with plan A.. And as this. I don't know if it's the right word a second way to wherever you want to call it as it became clear that. Things were not opening up on the right pace. That's kind of when when the panic set in the initial part of the conversation is, what's the real problem? The real problem is you did not have a plan B. The real problem isn't what the competitors doing isn't how they position themselves or what they're delivering to the market. The problem is that. You did not put your sales did not lead your team to be in a position to respond to this crisis effectively. Yeah, and there's a little I'll pick on you a little bit about the way you said that so you said the problem was that they didn't have a plan B. One statement, which is accurate but then you also said that the problem is that they didn't respond. And that's an accurate statement. I believe that The more accurate statement out of those two usually the difference between those two, right? Yes like Hey, I didn't have a plan B but guess what when I got hit with a contingency that I didn't expect is okay because I'm going to respond to it. So for me in this particular case I'm thinking more along the lines of lack of response. Happening because there's a funny thing that we used to make fun of guys in the seal team that would start to plan contingencies and they start to plan for every contingency and we would say, Hey, what you're, what happens if a UFO touchdown and three of your people are are scooped up by the ufo then what then what are you going to? So that to me. That's what cove is. I had no contingency in my mind where I fought. Hey. You I can understand look we get a terrorist attack and travel shut down for a week two weeks. Okay. You know we we. There's a contingency plan for that and it's a pretty straightforward one. You barely even have to do it. Guess what we're GONNA cancel some stuff and then we'll reschedule I mean this is something he's something that's so simple. You don't even have to think about it but when you start saying okay if you would have told me to list out the top twenty contingencies for for Sean Front or from any business. I would have not put. Viral travel shutdown in the top twenty and maybe I'm ignorant. Sure. No I think that is a reasonable thing to not include in your contingency list, which is global pandemic shut down. I mean I know I should have listened to Bill Gates because he did a Ted talk about it and it was. You know seriously there's like people that and there was it's interesting on the political spectrum too. You saw people saying, well, you should have been ready for this contingent. How many contingencies are you going to be ready for right and so instead of the well? In addition to being ready for likely contenders, that's a keyword that we always used in the team's when we talk about contingencies, it was likely contingencies. You prepare for the top three four likely contingencies once you get beyond that will now what we have to do is we have to be able to respond quickly. We have to make decisions quickly, and this is one of the main lessons that I've been teaching through covert is iterative decision making is hey, I'm GonNa make up I'm known for being very, very decisive. Why am I known for being very decisive because I make very quick decisions but the way that I cheat doing that is I make very quick small decisions win covert hit. And we started we had the muster happening in what was it supposed to happen in? May. Hey Kovic here no travel cancel muster. Well am I going to immediately cancel muster? coves last might be gone by then what so instead, it's not a massive decision immediately hey, Jamie called a hotel we're shutting down. No. Hey Jamie. If you don't know is our operations director at Ashland Front Hey, Jamie. Why don't you talk to the hotel and just see what kind of things we could do if? We need to push this event back. How much flex deaf so she starts going down the road. That's that's a pretty decisive. Hey, I made that decision in five seconds right? Oh chocolate super decisive, super decisive because all I did was to ask Jamie to call someone and talk him about something it's decisive but here's the cool fic- it was action. It was action we're taking. We're taking positive action. So Jamie who On thinking herself. Oh Gosh would what's going to happen to the muster? That's a big big fought what's going to happen to the muster? What's going to happen? Well so she doesn't know what to do. Well, guess what here's what you're GONNA do call hotel and see what the options are. Okay. Boom all of a sudden she's got Moshi knows what she's doing. She's going to gather some information and when she gathers that information guess what we're GonNa do we're GONNA reassess it wouldn't make another small step. So. So being able to respond to bad situations. Or completely unpredictable. Situations or situations where the information isn't all that good. All those things if you're able to do that, well are the marks of a good leader and a good team. When you aren't able to respond to well, that's obviously the marks of a bad leader and a bad team. So. Yeah, I. Think IT'S To recognize that you're not GONNA be able to plan for every contingency just it's just not going to happen. And what you need to do is train and. Keep your mind open so that when things that you don't expect to happen you can adapt. To the situation and you can respond appropriately. That's a really good point and and one of the interesting things that played out as this several month process. Went through is. This initial pre cova plans, good plan. They don't really well positioned. They had a solid team there in the game you'd work with them in the past. This is kind of their second generation with us. They kind of embraced the reality back in March. But. They never really. They never really let go of the what they wanted to do this face to face the best way we communicate nobody does it better than us I can sit down across from you? I can convey this message and it was a little. Unwillingness to just accept what was happening, and one of the things we was again, very early on in the covid scenario as you're on online. You had you said something I think in the very first one we repeated over and over again except this is real, you said, you told people you got to accept this as real. And so as March, became April. April kinda turned June a maybe. They look for reasons why they just go back to the original plan And the part that was the most challenging was from March to July August. That alternative plan was no longer quite as. Crazy as it would have been if we're doing this backlash dear. So this potential of not being able to do face to face was becoming much more real and what they started look for his reasons why they didn't have to do that I heard travels opening up in the northeast. Hey, this airline and so they held onto that too long. The outcome of that was just like you said, the ability to maneuver what prevented them from from being able to respond was the unwillingness to just accept this is real except that is a is a much more likely alternative. then. If you say like you said seven months ago he gets a magic. Crystal Ball here come the margins. Of course that's not a reasonable thing. The way this kind of played out though is. We had that first conversation was like listen. The issue here is as a leader you didn't put your team in a position to to respond. What he came back with was. We've got to day role play scenario I'm bringing every salesperson sales team on a live to day zoom session. Can you support with us and we'll play 'cause we have to be ready for the virtual interaction. And that idea actually came from a couple of subordinates couple of his junior sales reps who had accepted the fact that this is not going to play out the way you think boss I think this is going to be a problem for us. We're not GONNA, get through face to face. And when he finally accepted this was real. It was awesome to see that team pivot and him say listen I miscalculated team I got this wrong. What do we do now? Because now we're weeks away from this and they were able to go right into this two day session that we supported jumped on the call them and watch them go through back and forth and help them do the Roy and the real issue for him was. He finally accepted that this was real. Yeah and wrapped up in all that is is an expression that you hear all the time. And it's it's. People see what they WANNA see. And that is so wrapped up in there and if you think about what that. Is wrapped up in. Guess what that expression is wrapped up in ego. I think things are GonNa go this way. I want things to go this way and therefore when I see, you know the northeast opened up travel on trains planes or next Bro. South. The Northeast as they got hit I they're already out of it. We're good to go roll it. We don't have to worry about this stupid online stuff we're going to be back face-to-face. People see what they want to see and when I say people. I'm talking about you. I'm talking about me I see what I wanna see, and that's one of those. One of the things that you have to watch out for when you're a positive minded person hey, this is going to go good and this is where I I actually am a Mr Positive. See the good right all the time but there's things that I feel deeply. One of them is the crunch of time I. I really feel the crunch of time because I recognized it a long time ago. As the one factor that it is absolutely no mercy. It has no mercy you up that you let that our go you let those two months go by. They are not going to have mercy on you and if you think about that. You constantly pay attention to time 'cause people just lose track of it. People just lose track of it. They think that they can consciously think you're GONNA make it back I think he can turn it around can't, and for me time is always like a primary driver of letting me see what reality is. because. If you're not dealing with reality if you're not accepting what is going to happen or what could happen and by the way, how much what do I give up if? If I think something is going to happen right I think something else is going to happen. What do I, sacrifice by saying? Okay look like I got some contingency plan for looks like I need to set up a security element over here. In case we get attack from over there. That seems like a good move what does it cost me nothing doesn't cost me anything so you can make maneuvers to prepare for things that are coming. Whether you're right or wrong, it doesn't matter. You didn't sacrifice very much to make this adjustment so when you get shut down. And you think it's going to be for a month and then you'll be able to go back face to face. Cool. So what are you gonNA do next month we're gonNA hibernate or you sit around. What do you gain from that nothing? What do you gain by saying? Hey, look just in case just in case I'm wrong. And just in case, the reality is we're not going to be able to travel for another six months. Let's start coming up with a plan on how we're GONNA execute this thing. And by the way. What start executing it let's give it a shot. And if you do that, what do you sacrifice you don't sacrifice anything and you actually. Move Yourself and your team forward. which is what we're trying to do. Yet and there's so many components inside there. There's obviously taken ownership of the problem. There's cover and move where people are working together and solving problems. There's a whole bunch of individual elements that we teach. But. All of it together is the idea that as a leader, you're responsible for your team being successfully to do whatever is required to do that and. The only thing worse than the panic of recognizing you wasted those two months or whenever that time is. Is When you look out over the horizon, you see that your competition. Didn't. And that was a hard lesson for them. Again you know their ability to respond to that they had a they had supporting leader step up and make things happen which was awesome to see. But that adds to the hate not only did you waste your time? They didn't. 'cause where does that put you that puts you four months behind. Because they moved two months than you waited nowhere. Rough. All right. Next. One what he got. Company reached out to us. This was kind of cool because. When they first reach out to echelon front looking for leaders development. What they were looking for is they are they they they got a company that works and safety is a huge part of what they put people out on site and they deal with a high risk terrain and things like that. So safety is a critical component of the culture as you might guess, companies that work in high risk environments, their littered with young motivated type people that don't always think about their own personal safety. And when they reached out to Sean Front, a lot of it was. The experience that the seals had and they actually connect with me as well. Because in my experience with Va Shin, they thought there'd be a really cool connection between the risks that the military takes. On the inside and the ground side and drawing a parallel to how to improve their safety culture. So they originally asked us to come and join them and we started working with them. Their goal was to help us or have US help them build a better culture of safety to lower miss mishaps, lower injuries, and and help their team. When I first started explain them. I said, Hey, Lemme Lemme offer how Echelon Front as a company when we work with companies a lot dealing with the same thing let me talk to you about how we look at safety culture. Safety problems inside an organization. Is A leadership problem. We don't look at safety of some sort of standalone separate isolated thing that you have to fixture safety culture. If you have a problem with safety, you have a leadership problem. And by the way, we look at every problem that you have as a leadership problem but you are right. It is interesting that people try and carve safety out as if this isn't really hey, look you know people say but that's that's the responsibility, the safety officer over there. Totally. We have safety team we want to help bolster the safety team so they can go make people safe and and what I did was I just made the connection between our view of safety and look look aviation same came up safety is very important. But what I told him I said Hey. Let me just explain how see if we can find some compatibility this before we started working together. said. Hey. We do not see safety as the mission safety is not what we do. Let me talk about why safety's important though our mission, my mission and Aviation was taking airplane, go over and drop bombs or what I'm GONNA. Do with aircraft a team and I'm going to go cross the line of departure and engaging enemy. There's inherent risk associated with that flying airplanes can be risky, and if I want to ensure that I have a perfect safety record the way to guarantee that I have no safety mishaps no safety problems in an airplane is I don't. I will never crash an airplane of I don't go find. The problem with that is as I will not accomplish my mission, I will not be successful in the military as a pilot. I won't be successful in business if we say to ensure safety. JUST WON'T GO DOOR JOB Onsite and work in high-risk. Environment. The flipside advisors ignore safety and go hey, I'm not here to be safe I'm here to get the job done I'm here to accomplish the mission I'm GonNa, take my team and go do whatever's required your start hurt people here's heartbreaking. Things are damaging things that over time you'll have the And the equipment to do job and guess what happens to the mission? The exact same thing you will not be successful. So. There is actually a balance between. Having no concern for risk and being so risk averse and being. So safety focused that you don't actually do your job neither one of those will help you accomplish it and when we made the connection, they recognize what they didn't need was US train their their safety team what they needed was leadership development inside their company and by definition, the safety culture would improve. At their, company? Yet I think this was on E. F. Online. The other day minded me with a client. Somebody asked about culture. and. The establishment of culture and how important is culture And I got a little fired up talking about this because. When you? Extrapolate culture out culture is actually the ultimate form of decentralized command is the ultimate form of decentralized command. If I understand the culture of my team. Then, I can actually make decisions based on our values. If I know that as an American service member overseas, we want to we we uphold the highest values. When I have to make a decision about what I'm going to do I can make a decision I can make just about any decision based on the fact I want to do the right thing. That's what I'm trying to do. So if you're in a company. And you understand what the culture is. You understand that the culture is we always take care of the customer. You can make ninety nine percent of your decisions just based on the fact that, hey, look the customers bringing back this piece of equipment that we gave them and they say it's broken. Okay. Hey, brought Raj. No problem. Here's here's a new piece of equipment. Now can you get to a point where somebody brings back a million dollar piece of equipment and you say oh? Yeah. No problem. No questions asked here. No, there's a limit but. You can make ninety nine percent of your decisions just based understanding the culture of the company. Same thing with safety if we understand where the level of safety, how important safety is if we understand that then we understand we can make. Ninety nine point nine percent of our decisions correctly just based on the our understanding of safety culture. So culture is an absolutely powerful thing and yes, you are right that wear culture comes from is leadership and what's important when I say that culture comes from leadership when I talk to companies about culture I say where does culture come from people say the leadership I say who the leaders? Everybody everybody in an organization is responsible for the culture inside that organization. It's not just hey, the the CEO sets the culture. The CEO has influence on the culture, but that CEO can have. A culture in his mind. But if the people if the team doesn't understand except acknowledged, encourage grow and believe that culture that is worthless. Everyone that that culture has to be unified throughout the organization how do you get? The culture unified throughout the organization. Well, what we have to do is we have to make sure that everyone understands why we have this culture. We have to understand that, hey, listen you WanNa know why we have the culture of the customer always being right the customers comes first you WanNa know how that culture why? Well, number one we want to provide a good service. That's great. We're good people we want to provide service also when we provide good service. People go out and tell other people about the good service that we provide people review us on the Internet people refer US business. We end up with a good quality rating when we get a good quality rating from people, people come back it grows our business the more business grows the more people come in here the more people get treated. Well, the more people spread that word that is how we grow the opposite. If we don't care about our customers guess what bad word spreads even faster than good word and will end up with no business here at all safety why you safety important for our culture Well. Because we don't want anyone to hurt. Yeah. Absolutely. We care about our people for sure guess what else? If we have accidents all the time guess what happens to our insurance? Do you know that there's there's companies there's there's owners that will not hire us to build. If, we have a bad safety record. They don't want a safety grew they group with safety issues. So if if we have a bad safety record, Dave, if you break the safety rules and you get hurt, it's not just you that gets hurt. Yeah. That's horrible for you. It's horrible for your family. It's horrible for your be able to pay your mortgage horrible for a bunch of reasons. But on top of the, you're not just hurting yourself. It hurts the company because now the company has to pay more insurance and now guess what happens to our price we got to raise our price, and now what do we get more jobs or less jobs? We raise our price I'll tell you we get less jobs when we get less jobs. Do you still have a job. No, you don't. So the culture is not just something you can pull out of thin air and mandated on people. There has to be an explanation behind culture and the most important part of that explanation has to be why we have this culture. And how the culture itself reinforces the survivability and the growth of our organization. That culture to decentralized command connection. You actually also made that on an F. Online session from a question from one of the troops who joins us on AF online. But that was one that I called you on on a phone on the phone after because every time something comes up, you end up on the phone talking about some leadership thing and doing a debrief doing a. Right and I remember calling you like, Hey, that was that the way you communicated that to them. And we made the connection to this client, which was this idea that coulter is what? That's what decentralized command is built around and thousand really powerful thing for me because. It was this idea that. In simplest terms of for decentralized command, it's it's what let people make those decisions without their boss being over there telling him what to do, which simply cannot be done because you can't be with all your people all the time but it got connected directly to what you said was one of the problems they describe as well. We only have a two person safety team. We can't hire twenty people. It's exactly right. That's why every single person in the organization has to understand that despite whatever their title is or their job or their particular skill they are responsible for safety and actually they're responsible for everything but that connection of culture which. All too often cultures just some sort of thing that's on the wall. This is what we believe but people don't truly understand what it means when I can now connect that to a principle that we teach decentralized man is a principal. We teach actually able to explain it in a way that they go. I know what you're talking about. I read that book you talked about that when you gave your combat leadership brief to us. That was really powerful thing that worked directly with them because you know what most companies can't have an entire safety team just running around making sure everybody's safe they they need to rely on their people to believe in that it lets people make decisions that they know is in the best interest of the organization winning, and that was a huge point that made a huge input impact of this team. To mazing how everything's connected isn't Indeed. What are we got? One one more yeah. we. got. So you like the fact that you prep these get yeah because it's awesome. I'm like let's do it but I can't prep anymore podcast Bro. You at least come up with the subject matter. I'll. I'll debrief it all day long but these are on you man do the coolest part about it is when you ask me, you're like, Hey, I, got the idea I think we should do this. Can you come up with himself on a Mike Jackal? I have an unlimited supply, mean every single day I am talking with clients that we're working with about these problems and how we're applying the prince was to help them come up with a solution and there's an unlimited supply of this, and again, these problems might be specific to these companies but they irrelevant and apply everywhere. When's the last time you went on the road face to face with a company the first week of March was the last time I was on. An airplane so it's it's been interesting and we've been very lucky because we never would have been able to convince people that we can do what we do over the Internet. We never would have able to convince people if everyone didn't get forced to make zoom calls with their family and make zoom calls, you know I. I always tell people I had Easter dinner with my parents on zoom and that's when I realized. Okay. This is we're at a different place now and Trying to explain to a, there's another good move was was, and we we all just. Kind of did this instinctively. When we had to cancel some when when a client canceled with us and we would connect with them to discuss where we go from here. Yeah. Sure. Let's do zoom meeting and let's talk about what we can do to help you out boom all of a sudden we're on zoom meeting with them and we're having a real time discussion and they can see that look do you lose something on Zoom? Sure. You lose. There's there's some there's some element that gets lost. Eight is very small. Yeah. It is very small. It's very small element. You know maybe lose some of the body language maybe you lose some level of. Of of the presence. But the reality is when I'm talking to two hundred people in a room. I can't see I can't see their facial expressions of those people back and we're not talking to two hundred people in zoom call as everybody is. I see someone that's got that puzzled look on your face or you've heard me do this on f online where I get done answering the question and and they they go. Okay. You didn't like that answer. We're not there yet I don't understand in fact I did that today I don't know if you've noticed that today I, I gave a couple of answers and I go you know those aren't the answers we're looking for. Those were my initial probe to try and figure out what's going on here. But those aren't the answers that we're looking for. To tell explain to me what's actually happening and that that would not have happened. If I couldn't have seen that guy's face and being able in. Uzumcu. Oh. Okay. We can. We can drill down a little bit right. Now Look I'm onstage there's two hundred people sitting there. There's four hundred people. There's a thousand people sitting in the audience we're not drilling down into. The specifics of this guy situation autism call. Here. Let me. Let me explain why. I'm an auditorium with a thousand people and this guy asked a question I'm GonNa give an answer. There's a thousand people there waiting I can't see this guy's face barely I don't I don't have the time and we don't have the. We don't have the for lack of a better word. We don't have the intimacy for me to look at this guy and say, explain to me what's happening. But when you're in a zoom call, I'm six inches away from your face and your six inches away from my face because we're staring at a camera that six inches away. So the the the loss of Oh, maybe some presents the loss of some body language. Just. In the fact that we can go a little bit deeper, it makes their some aspects of. Zuma meeting that absolutely is better than a live meeting. Absolutely especially when I go on to talk to you know someone's having a conference in it's a thousand people. Look. If you put, you put two thousand people into an auditorium, the people in the back you know what they're looking out when I'm speaking, they're looking at video looking at video camera that's projecting my big friggin head and by the way in the back, they can't really even see that that. Clear. So what are they looking at when they're looking at? Me and guess what I'm doing I can see them and when they ask a question there they are. So there's an absolute advantages to it and and we get these things on line and that allows us to dig down and figure out what's going on but it's amazing that you you list off the fact that you have all these you say, Hey, do. We can talk about your issues. We can talk about all day and what's amazing to me is all these are issues that that are unfolding right now in echelon front, two point no, which is avalon front virtual training through the interwebs it's awesome. Yeah. Totally agree. I I remember thinking at first to pay I like I like speaking I like to talk and one of the coolest parts about this job as it was very much. We'll have for me I don't I like to be on the stage I like to talk I get a little animated. You can get right up with somebody who can sit down and there's a lot of things about the speaking in public thing that I really liked I was I was. Concerned a little bit like, hey, how I dave burke and to be able to replicate that. Through Zoom I've actually even found. You said it well, because there are things that you can actually do through zoom that you can't do in person anybody that's resistant to the idea that we can't forge good relationships will learn. That's not true. Because yes. Do you lose something? Sure but you can more than make up for it in other ways and it. It is not an excuse or reason why you can't make things happen. which has been. Awesome for me WHO LIKES TO BE FACE TO FACE Check. So speaking of all these issues we see right now virtually, what's the? What's the third one? All right. So we have A, we have a site manager. So. Inside district had five sites. So district had five different operations at each one was run by a site manager. This site manager that I was working with a larger company promoted to district manager. The very first task, the very first assignment for this newly. Promoted district manager who used to be a site manager was one of the other sites in their district was underperforming and they were now tasked with making sure that they get up on the step. So what happened was is this person who was a site manager went from a having a peer who was underperforming one of the sites is. Actually making this site manager look pretty good because she was outperforming her peers now had a subordinate who was underperforming, which made her look bad because she had a team that where she was responsible for and the real, the the core of the question was. How am I going to take ownership of this other site that I was working parallel to sort of independently inside the district now, I'm responsible for this person's performance what what am I going to do and say to allow me to now in this new role as her at? His boss, her as his boss. Getting them from being underperforming, getting up on the step when before we were just pierce working totally independently and the previous district manager didn't get that person that needed to be. And again. The answer to that question wasn't really that hard when we started to dissect what her role was as a site manager her previous role. And what was she having issues with just the idea like, oh, now on responsible for this, when before I, what was what was the thing that she was trying to overcome yet what she wanted to what she wanted to do when she was going to set up a very first conversation with her now subordinate site lead was sound authentic and how do I say that I can take ownership of this is your district manager without Kinda come across as like I'm just using the words of extreme ownership because she was struggling with how to say I'm your boss and how I can take ownership of the problem that your site is underperforming and she couldn't. She wanted to talk through how can she sound authentic in? This her problem to solve, and this is something she's responsible for she has ownership of. So where did you take her well? The first thing was hey. I highly recommend to everyone when you were going to take ownership of a problem is you should be authentic. You actually have to believe that is your responsibility do not walk in apply the words that we teach at Ashland Front and think those words are going to solve your problem for you. So so would she was questioning her authenticity? Do you think that she was actually thinking? Well, now I'm supposed to be charged but I really don't. Yeah I I don't really know how to make the connection because I don't really understand how I could be responsible because before he ran his site Iran my site and just because I'm his boss now how do? I go back in time and say that this history of underperforming, I'm not responsible as a district manager is something I need to take ownership of do you think the disconnect was her thinking look? I'm over there I, did my job what what you need to get Babysat why am I supposed to help this personnel? That's exactly what it so okay. So that's that's what I was missing. I couldn't quite figure out what the issue was because I was just thinking how cool no bad teams only bad leaders. We got someone centerpoint how how did we get in there and support them? How can we help them and let's make this happen but she was thinking. Not really my responsibility. Yeah. How am I responsible for him as a matter of fact, I out maneuvered this person I got elevated promoted as a result of that performance. And again, it's it's. It's exactly what you just described, which was what we did. We just spend a little time kind of dissecting what? Her role was when she was a site manager and why understanding what her role was as a site manager will help her as a district manager with five sites kind of all answering to her and the piece that she was missing, which is, which is understandable is her job wasn't just for her site to do. Well, that's not what the site manager does. But in a very simplistic way, the site managers responsible for their site, she's supposed to make sure her site performs and delivers and meets the metrics and delivers on time and she did very well. That's actually not what your site managers supposed to or or should I say, that's not the only thing you're site manager is supposed to do. So the real question was, how do you want your five site leads to interact with each other? How do you want them to work together you want them to be competing with each other undercutting each other benefiting from somebody else's underperformance or do you actually want those five site leads especially the ones that are outperformed the others. To find ways to help those other sites. So the entire district does better and that whole explanation just gave from the safety is actually the same thing too is that if a site lead help, the other site leads perform well who benefits. And so the real the hurl was he your role is a site lead. Wasn't just to have an awesome sight that did really well, it was more than that and now a district manager. When you talk about your sites, four of them used to be your peers they hired from the outside to replace her in her particular. Job With the other four were people that were literally peers for the last two and half years is what is it that you really want from them? Operating in silos autonomous from each other and benefiting from their failures or do you actually want to build a relationship where you share and challenge each other and forty get better and and share best practices and help them out and elevate everybody's game and we talked about that for a while and that made it a lot easier. When we roll, we roll played the actual conversation of. Her initial discussion as I hey I'm here is your new district manager role play that a few times to have that discussion. What approach to take what will give me like a little bit of her opening salvo at the troops the opening salvo at the the five new, the five site managers forum was she's known for years that appears was the first part of the conversation was. I am so stoked for the opportunity to be district manager and work in engage with all of you. I got to be really honest. I'm paraphrasing this is her saying I. got to be really honest. My view of what I thought a site manager was supposed to do wasn't exactly right and what I have come to realize as as I've thought about my role as a district manager is that how I function is a site manager wasn't how I really think we should operate. And that's where the ownership piece came in and made it very easy for her to go. Oh i. it's hard for me to take ownership of this because I'll have to do is explain the things that I didn't do a site manager and what I realized I should have been doing the whole time. And then. Went on from there you're you're smiling because I can. Tell that that actually resonates the idea of. Hey if you understand what? The ownership piece comes naturally when you recognize what you should have done differently the the note that I wrote down was. When I was like Oh. What did she say 'cause I'm thinking like visit I would have said. You know. Did the way that I paraphrase it myself was the opening up with I was wrong. I was wrong and that's a perfect way to open up and say look you all saw me as a competitive person I was hiding information. I was trying to kick your ass, and that's actually not the right way to do this. Do we want to be competitive with each other be willing to do in a positive way and right now what we WANNA do and here's where I would go right into it what we WANNA do. Is, not, be competitive with each other sites we as a team want to destroy the other. So yeah I mean we'd go there quick and of course I'd I'd say that and have a good time without and so look even though I wanted to store them guess what I want our company to win and so we're GONNA kick their ass but we're also going to show him how do it so we elevate everyone and that's GonNa elevate US worrying to move forward. So yeah, that's I mean and that's and that's almost verbatim how to play out was. This district's GonNa Dominate but I'm actually going to apply the lessons that I learned I should've been doing back as a site lead and apply that all the way across the organization and actually one of the things she came to understand was. If she does that. If she dominates as a distributor, but also gets all the other districts in the game to. She also is GonNa continue on the path and she's going to grow in responsibility and she's going to dominate, which is what she wants to do as well. So there's that connection and. Which is another thing leadership strategy and tactics if if you're doing well. And you're doing the right things for the right reasons. Your team is going to do well and when your team does well and they win guess what you win. Right. Forty two minutes. But still kept it under the forty five minute. Let's stop if you want to dig deeper into all aspects of leadership in any arena you can join. Dave in me and the rest of the Echelon Front team, you can do it. All the time you can talk to us all the time you can talk to us live F online dot com. It's where we solve problems with leadership, and if you want leadership guidance inside your organization, come check out our leadership consultancy at Echelon Front Dot Com. As. We talked about we are doing this stuff through the interwebs. You can come and get it. We will be there six inches from your face. Of. Also written a bunch of books on the subject leadership extreme ownership, the dichotomy leadership. 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Episode 103: Things Need Names

Defenders Of The Night

55:43 min | 1 year ago

Episode 103: Things Need Names

"We are defenders of the most trusted source for top to bottom coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties. Animated Program Gargoyles. I'm your host Daniel William on and your other host. Eliza who stabbed avenue is Geez. Welcome back everyone to defenders. Tonight we are here to discuss episode three of season one titled Awakening Part Three. I almost said part one. That'll be stupid. What do you thinking of the season? So far stories really picking up. Yeah actually I was really excited about this episode. I feel like you know of any new series. The first episode or two has to really explain what is happening and get you into that universe. I feel like most shows take a couple episodes to really get going and I feel like this was the first one that really was like. Oh Wow we could swing of this. Yeah I liked their adventuring into the city. They're doing some questionable things we'll get into shall we? Let's do it well. This is again episode. Three it aired October twenty sixth nineteen ninety four so they ran all these back to back to back. So we're just a few days from the premier. It was written by Eric. Luke and Michael Reaves. They've done everything up to this point and it was directed by Saburo Hashimoto in Katsuo Toronto. Cool we are very tippy top of Castle River in nineteen ninety four in New York City and this is pretty much are setting for the foreseeable future. Yeah we opened up. Today's episode in the lobby of xanthos tower. Where Owen Burnett do deluxe is men's servant? He spinning a yarn spinning a tale to explain all of the the nonsense. That was happening. That I'm pretty sure have left dead. The streets covered in rubble. Chaos fire hydrants spewing water. It's hell out there man. It looks like a scene from as or something. Yeah yeah he says. A newly installed generator exploded. He's telling all this to detective Maza or is I'm decided to call her. Detective Dream Boat so and my detective. Dream Boat Yeah she does. She doesn't buy nobody buys. Who's going to buy this insane? Yeah she claims to have heard automatic weapons from the street and I call absolute shenanigans because as we know. This tower is stories. Thousand Feet Tall. Yeah it's in the stratosphere men barely breathe it they're it makes sense that she would hear explosions from the bombs and things that they had going off here in the Oh. I can tell. That's an automatic weapons machine guns from seventy five thousand feet in the sky. I'm sorry there's no way point being because of all the again they chaos. Yeah and I don't like that we already can't trust detective Dream Boat. Yeah so I mean. And she's you know obviously concerned detective of New York City. She wants to know what's going down. Picked her curiosity and all that so of course she's like I don't buy this. I'm GonNa go get a warrant or something and owens is like whatever fine. Come on so he takes her to the elevator that leads up to the castle. What the Liz. Yes so the elevator already existed in the building skyscraper and then they somehow expanded the elevator shaft to go into the castle. The only way that would make sense to me is if they built a completely separate one like you know how there are some buildings you take it to the top floor and then you get on a different elevator. They did something like that. Like A freight elevators. It's not a direct so you're saying that it is cut out where they got to the top of the elevator crossed. The building took a new elevator up. Even be my guess. I'm the creator of the show. Didn't think about that until you're just headed. Go STRAIGHT UP TO THE CASTLE. Construction of this entire thing really especially in this episode had me really fascinated because we see later on. I got notes but we see seemingly new rooms castle and multiple elevators and there's a TV room so we'll get there still seems like there's like a dungeon which is normally like underground and like how I don't get it. I WANNA see basement on top of a skyscraper like I don't understand I wanNA see some detailed architectural drawings great towers Annatto so as you mentioned they go up and in walks deluxe. Actually he basically tells the truth. Let's listen to him. Admit mostly everything that just happened. Oh and was a little confused. That's the press. The truth is at my men repelled. An invasion by a rival corporation trying to steal some of our new technology repelled an invasion your private citizens Annatto Sonata Country Protective. I am the owner of a multinational corporation. Which is bigger than many countries? You could name kind of surprising. Yeah I mean he manages to tell the truth and the most library way possible right but also like Oh yeah you know another rival expensive tech company like can you imagine if like apple and Google into wars like that not Google but I can't imagine Elon. Musk and steve jobs doing that. Yeah yeah that's not. How Business Works Jack Dorsey from twitter and Square Saint Louis Hero? Yeah Yeah Yeah hemion would get in on it. Yeah they'd be fighting and love and you know all's Fair in love and does men. Love is so what he doesn't mention here is that is men are ancient winged million reptile things right again. He told the truth or version of it. I like how you say. He said some smug shit about being super rich and in my notes I was like God. He's so fucking full of himself out is the richest man in the city. Shit happens right and we're all like what are you talking about? You tell if he's delusional. Does he think this is actually normal or is he just trying to play it off to get her out the door? I can tell that's interesting because we don't know we're being introduced to this new world but we've already seen and I'm still holding fast. That this is a setup. He attacked himself essentially. We've seen two major tech billionaires go added in one way or another here against you mentioned the automatic weapon bullshit. This castle is literally above the clouds. That's the whole premise of the show. Right above the fucking clouds clouds. How high they are a million feet. Is that scientific? Yeah I looked at up. Yeah I thought about it. It's high it is being all right. Well so from there we cut to the brogue oils. Scoping out the new digs. The kitchen scene cracked me up. Like of course the three of them are causing absolute mayhem in this. Like super fancy totally deluxe Kitchen Lux's deluxe kitchen exactly and they're just making big giant messes and the big one is just like in food heaven. Liz I gotTa ask you a question Dea. Think Deluxe is going to use the castle to live in. This kitchen was obviously was not there before right and I mentioned that the TV room will get to later. What is his plan here? What are we doing here? He I assume he lived elsewhere in that giant skyscraper. Up until construction of the castle is plans are I. Don't know what what what is that. Called the top floor or two of a big building like the sweet. I assumed he would have lived there right if he lived in his own building. Like I don't see him having separation of business from home life. He probably sleeps in his office half the time. Especially since buildings so big. Yeah he could have fifteen floors of just are indeed and still live at the very top. Yeah my guess is I live in my castle now. Seems like the Dude. Who would do that? Yeah well is the king of his literal castle. Now all right okay. I mean that doesn't explain why. The kitchen is so huge. That's like a restaurant style kitchen. Maybe he's thinking he'll like do an airbnb situation in the castle or maybe it's for all those parties and Balls Hill have in the castle so he needs to have a full catering staff you know he's got the biggest balls of the mall so the comedic boy it gets locked in the walk in and we cut to the courtyard Liz. There is a courtyard at the top of an already incredibly tall skyscraper in the middle of Manhattan. What is this world that we're taking place in right now? What is happening? How is there a courtyard trees? I mean how else would he have greenspace New York? He can't just by prospect park. I mean he probably could look. Could I guess the flu tons and tons of dirt and trees because people have forty five million feet up into the sky? Don't understand distance. No I feel like there's lots of tall buildings that have like garden space and all that but I don't think there's a difference between like ancient oaks at the top of the difference between having flowers and trees also contributes survived that high up. Well mountains like there. There's a very specific trees that are up there. They're not oaks pines and the temperature up. There's got to be chilly in the open air. I mentioned that a couple times later on so. Did someone just knit all these trees sweaters? I don't understand botany fair. Listen I'M A gargoyles expert? Not a tree expert. Yeah all right all right. So on out to tell deluxe the kitchen shenanigans. There's issues with his new house guests over. He puts it obviously not being like the girls are fucking shit up. Can you can't mention gargoyles around Detective Dream Boat? Liz Isn't this. What fucking only gets paid to deal with. Yeah why isn't he dealing with? Why is deluxe? GotTa go mess with this Shit. Because we never even see him. Go into the kitchen and talk to them later on. They just come out of the kitchen. Yeah so maybe Owen knows that they don't trust him and the only listen to I fair. I don't trust own either. Snivelling little fuck boy. Deluxe goes to the kitchen. Owen walks out detective dream boat. Suddenly she looks up and sees when Devil. Man What could it be just like what the fuck you looking at? You just go already. We're dealing with Shit. I have so many so many things I have to take care of away. And he leaves her at. The elevator doesn't walk her down to the lobby. I mean it's a detective when he thinks she was going to do right. Liz What does she do? She is like this. Investigation is not over yet. I'm going to go explore in my own. And then she does and she finds things things. She shouldn't be seen like a Gargoyles Gurgle so she starts and she finds dog oil. That's not great. No and she's freaking out. It's a baby oil. As we have discussed she then is freaking out and suddenly. Goliath show at this huge. Yeah he's like eight or nine feet tall compared to her. I I mean maybe she's really short but I mean I'm pretty sure he's just giant towers over all the other gargoyles true he does yeah. He's a big boy and he is having no more this gunplay bullshit so he grabs her piss off her hands. Crushes it like a piece of paper? She's terrified as any normal person would be seems appropriate. And Yeah and so. She's backing away and trips. Over the edge of the castle and starts plummeting. She pushes back with Enough Force. That she topples over. Like what is she made of paper? Did she just flow overboard? What the fuck was that was dramatic what it was physics. Here's one thing that we overlooked when Owen Walk Sir to that elevator. That's a different elevator. They put multiple elevators into this castle. Because this is the one that's attached to the courtyard. They walk across the courtyard from the interior. Where we're introducing to deluxe and then to completely different elevator if you a billionaire who than sense when you went all the elevators you're right. I want one that goes sideways like Willy. Wonka MAGIC ELEVATOR. Was We need to take a break? Because we're about to witness the gruesome death of detective. Dream Boat and I just need to steal myself. So we'll be back. Hey there listeners. Are you into Alpha male bad ass ladies and happily ever after then checkout another great calamity cast podcast of the week where chat with my other two co host but everything we love in some time straight about both writing and reading romance novels so grab a glass of wine get comfortable and let's get down and dirty about romance find it on calamity cast dot com or wherever you find your podcast and we are back so when we left you we were watching detective dreamcoat plummet to her death. Yeah was pretty gruesome. I mean she was turned into Major Street Pizza. Yeah it's weird that they introduced the character shoes three scenes and then they just kill her. Yeah wild goes diving after her. Yeah you know GLIDE GETS TO IGNORE PHYSICS HERE. Yes because unless these somehow able to fall faster than her she did well. I don't know diving right. She's like tumbling and falling gonNA drive. Explain this no making up. His as we know he can't fly so he can accelerate what his wings help with. I don't know what people do the sky gliding and shit like that isn't like depending how you have your wings makes you go faster or slower. I think you would have to close them so that you would fall faster where he swings open our close. Even if they're closed she fell I. She's falling before him hesitated a little bit before he died. So they're falling at the same rate but there's a time difference. I think about the weight difference. I don't know he's giant so what he fall faster. I don't know if how fast they would have to fall to reach. Terminal Velocity Math in physics people. Figure this out for us. I gotTa feel like there's no way that he could realistically save her but he does because apparently cartoons they don't have to be based in real world. They sat down on a nearby rooftop and she is immediately condescending. Let's listen to a little bit of her overstepping. Okay just take it easy you doing in Mike Castle Talk. Who What are you? My Kind. Have no names but you humans. Call Me Goliath. Liz. Did you notice the female gaze? There she looks up and down. She's got this looking around like I don't know warm looking at but I do know I wanna fuck it like I mean right now. We'll also the Adrenalin of like just almost dying. Of course he wants to fuck something like I almost died so I got a fucks up onto that loincloth. Oh God she's like what are you gonNA says? We have no names but you call us. What does he know he's he? He knows to their gargoyles. He knows that but he was saying that she's like well. What's your name? And he's like she says what are you and then caused gargoyles. What do you call yourself? What are you talking about so you have a name. That gargoyles don't typically have names as we learned in the first episode. But he's like. Your people called Me Goliath. So my question was why did the people give him a proper name but not any of his buddies is a just because he's the leader and he's who they interacted with the most. I guess but as we talked about in the first episode. It's pretty safe to assume that geriatric jerry used to be the leader. He's got no name also. Does he mean you people? Call Me Goliath everybody. All the other gargoyles call him go. I guess maybe they just picked up on his mother. Fucking name is Goliath. Quit being like oh you y'all We don't have names but I guess y'all can come and go. I was like no other gargoyles. Call you Goliath. Do you think that's how names work homey? It's just what your call. Do you think one day he was just like you know what I do want to name. I'm GonNa just claim that the human psychological is so they don't call themselves. Glad you know. I'm glad I'm glad guys and they're like put your friend. No no no no. I'm Goliath you all just friend Goliath. I'm GONNA RIP that stupid white hair and he's like he's gotta go. I should say way. Take me down there or I need to go back up there. And he's like will I can't fly. Can you just fly back up there? So insulting? So just insinuating that because he's got wings he can fly insensitive and then he's like actually lady. I can't lie. I just glide. He like grabs her and tosses her on his back. I'll sexy like hold on and then starts clawing up the side of the building. Trust me fine. I mean it's even better dies okay. Yeah I trust you. Dizzy really likes men. Telling women to trust them. Would you care to back them up with other examples Aladdin? You can't trust that lying sack of shit either. Do Trust me no trust me. Come on jump off a roof with me on this carpet. I WANNA get into Aladdin but no structural integrity a carpet. All right like you mentioned Glenn Throws Jimbo on his back and climbs seventy four thousand feet. I think is what we decided back to the top of Mount Castle woven and it must've taken forever bright because all jokes aside skyscrapers pretty tall climbing hand over hand and it's cold and he's got the extra weight on his back. How long do you think took five hours five hours? Write it down that's cannon and like that means she's grouping him along and just being like a hookah. She's freezing her hands. I'm sure they're get cold and when when called her hands. Get the hardest to like hold on or on the other side of she's nervous. She might be sweating. I would be like I'm going to accidentally go here. I go out and he gets to the top without even breaking a sweat is so the next day they finally make it to the top of the cast glass. Want some Goddamn answers. What are you doing here? Why didn't he ask that at the first roof that they were the safer roof? Yeah he mentioned. What are you doing here? What's going on? And then she falls off and then he just wants to leave on the low roof. Doesn't we get here again. What are you doing here? And she gets scared to nothing ending cycle and I guess she tells them we don't get to see her explanation because we cut to the rest of the Gargoyles as they are leaving the kitchen from the distance. They see goliath talking to a whom on and head up to join the conversation sheriff. It's just a weird cut away. I guess so that when they showed up in the scene we weren't like wow. Did they get here? But we must part of potentially a crucial conversation rate which hinted at so then. Goliath has gone onto the entire story that we saw over the previous episodes and detective dream just like okay. Cool your ancient beast Scotland Stone. I buy it all make sense. Yeah and she's not a good detective because I've I've seen TV before. I've watched television and anytime I see a detective. They don't believe anything that anyone is saying because they want to see the proof to evidence even the fucking idiots in Brooklyn nine nine like they need a little bit more to go someday. I'll watch a show. It's not great in my opinion. Oh really everyone. Everyone's always like lazy like shows. You need to watch Liz. You might enjoy that show. I've watched almost all of it because I'll watch anything anyway. So the oils are introduced to their new detective pal and they get a quick lesson on the modern judicial system. Let's take listen already. What exactly does a detective do well when somebody does something wrong. Who ARRESTS THEM? Who says what's wrong. Well we have a justice system laws penalties assessments that the people decide that humans decide human. Yeah man nothing other than humans that like are alive and functioning yeah dogs. Don't get to participate in the judicial system. Sorry they don't get to vote. We didn't know about gargoyles until right. The fuck now chills. What about the vampires? And what about the ghosts where wolves do get a vote? I Dunno where Goliath has like. You gotTA leave. Get the fuck Outta here. And it's never explained why he's really jumping and detective dream. Boat is completely enamored and really wants to see. What's under that loincloths? Oh she convinces him before I go. Would you say we read up tomorrow? Don't get to know you a little better. Wait you're leaving but I love. You already don't go. Hoti hang out with me again. Hey I mean we will get Sushi trays like you. We can go for a walk in the park in the afternoon only at night. She's like a nights even better the night. Yeah I can dig it. Now is not as many people around it weird. She's like how about here and he does know that building over there one which I mean. I guess she's a detective so she can just figure out belting whatever building she wants but all right good so detective dream boat leaves and fuck boy and shows up to some Goliath. You know you ask. If he has the time you do not summon Goliath. Nobody Summons Goliath Daniela Summons you. Yeah now we're end Alexis office and apparently you know like. Oh yeah you know I brought you here for a reason like no shit scummy scumbag and it's like. Oh It's not just. He wants him to protect the castle. Suddenly it's like oh I want you to go on these missions before me and got a job for you yeah go. It's like what that's not what we do. We're not your little lackeys. We're not your Aaron Boys but Liz they are well. They just so team helmet from last night's raid. They are tonight. Was it earlier. I have no sense of time. I think it's still tonight earlier in the you know what? Let's do this in the previous episode team. Helmets stole some hard disks. That deluxe wants back. You think that he would have something better than a hard disk. Yeah like a news ninety four but like he's a tech billionaire like Shirley he has the top of the line shit that the rest of the public doesn't even know about yet. Yeah well I mean. As we learn there are evil. Scientists they're competing. Scientists are going to crack the encryption on these discs. And I think that's what he's worried about. I'm sure these aren't the only copies of whatever the hell's on them but wants to prevent them from doing what they're gonNA do. Yeah so he's got these hard disks and he also he talks to glide in such a condescending manner. And I'm just WANNA play a little bit it because it makes me mad. That team who attacked US earlier stole something very important for me. The box took contained three of these hard disks disks them as magic talismans each one containing hundreds of spells. It is vitally important that you and your friends get them back for me. Perhaps you should use a detective spell books and he doesn't want him to get the to learn the magic in the go. It doesn't need to know what the fuck he's talking him out. Go get the thing from the case. Don't condescend him as I guess. That's my I get so worked up that they're so mean to him and he. The magic spells need to think about a minutes. Anything shut up and it's like well. Why do you need me? Why can't you just ask detective? Quick Study Yeah. And he's like. Oh well no file a police report. Asphalt. We me alone can't do that. Which obviously he can't shady shit going down. Yeah so we find out. Has this whole scheme and the disc been split up? And they're being decoded in three separate locations throughout the city which is just bonkers and let's take a listen to it because he can explain it better than we can. Stolen data are being held at three different locations. The first is a research center on a small island in the bag. The second is deep beneath a city in a heavily fortified base and the third is being kept in a huge airforce. That flies a holding pattern over the city. All three places must be hit simultaneously so none will be able to notify the others. It seems an absurd amount of protection. I know the rest assured the information is that important. Why do you want us to help? You must be done before. Their scientist break the encryption codes before they translate the spells. Liz Don't think it be easier to just hire a team of mercenaries or I'm sure he's got a private police force that he has on his payroll. There's so much extra effort nation involved in order for any shit to make sense to Goliath. And here's another problem. I had there is a floating fortress flying around in a holding pattern above. New York's No one asks about right so you mean to tell me Rudy fucking Giuliani. America's mayor would allow that to happen. He wouldn't even let fucking graffiti exist in the subway system. Yeah suddenly like wait are we. America's hero Rudy Giuliani. That sentence will remain true. Always at that point when they're showing us the flying fortress and when we recently is like a fucking steam punk. Tv show like what is happening. We're in an episode of teenage mutant. Ninja Turtles Okay. Everything else has been you know other moving castle in this and that everything else pretty realistic you know other than the Gargoyles. Yeah other than every for some reason that flying fortress. I was like wait what Liz is done. This is her last episode of the vendors of the night. She's like oh no I was with you until you had a flying fortress. What a weird line to line in the sand fortresses at the top of skyscrapers yes in the air. No he just put the castle on a Flying Fortress fucking castle so glad he's like no. I don't WanNa do that. This is a bad idea. But deluxe uses the BUZZWORD for gargoyles which is be. You don't want people to know about you. You could be locked up and you would be betrayed glides like fuck. I hate being portrayed okay. I hate betrayal. They'll do scientific experiments on you and they'll hurt your people and and glasses like what the fuck is science true. He doesn't know what the fuck that means. Goliath pieces out. Yeah and then and a door open store opens lose and we see the shadowy figure of Lady Gaga Hill fully been introduced yet because we haven't been like in this lady Gaga Oil. But if you're paying attention you definitely see. It's her glory is the they didn't try to hide it. That hard. No was clearly her shape and even the kind of shadow wasn't enough to like completely black her out could be myst- mystery figure like it was totally lady mcharg oil survive. That is a good question. How troubling us. We'll never know I'm sure they will. They explain things show. They're not communicating to children. Well I think that's an excellent spot to take a little break. Okay thanks for listening. Help others find our show by rating and reviewing tunes checkout calamity cast dot com for even more content and follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. To get in touch and let us know how we're doing if you like what you hear and he want to help. Keep the lights on. Consider becoming a regular calamity casts contributor on Patriot. Or if you'd like to make a one time donation you can do so at pay pal dot me slash clammy casts. We appreciate your support and your donations. Truly make a difference. Liz were back. We are the defenders of the night. And we're here to talk about the awakening part three. Yeah this is the following night on the building over the area as the sun sets over New York City the Gargoyles wake up and I immediately. I have a question for you. Yes they turn to stone at dawn top to bottom inside and out. They are stone when they wake up. They break out of stone like it flex off of their skin like some kind of casing shore. Is it supposed to be like a cocoon type situation you think? I don't know you know when I never questioned to this right. You know when a caterpillar builds itself a cocoon it spins a little cocoon around body. Before it becomes a butterfly the Caterpillar entirely liquefies. It digests itself in rebuilds into an entirely new thing insane. Do you think that they're rebuilding themselves every night? Inside that stone. I don't know and is it restorative like if they get hurt and then they turned out in the wake up. Are they better? That's a really good question. I I wonder if the shows can answer that part because that yeah. I like that especially I mean. They're the defenders of the night right. They're gonNA get hurt at some point right cartoons are weird so the Braga are like. Hey Big Gee we would like no the area this is where we live now right. It would make sense to understand this new world. He's like no no. No you stay here but come all right. My son's you convince me. They're definitely I mean he calls them. They're his wards Dick Grayson but like it's totally a kid and dad kind of situation going on like come on. I wanted to do this. And they're like what if he's like. Okay he's just get out of my hair with that logic then we moved to the rooftop over there and I have to assume detective. Dream Boat is breaking and entering because again. She's just on the roof of random building. This I an empty warehouse. Is this an apartment building? Is this a a rival company? We do not know. Maybe she killed everyone on the way up. What she's into it's true she's still a mystery. It could be a sex dungeon. Maybe knew that in his heart and she's she's got to meet up with what she thinks. Is Her new boyfriend. Yeah I mean. Look how quickly. She kinda got goliath wrapped around her. Little finger maybe she just her way up to the top of the building. You're probably right. Goliath comes out from hiding and Ramones. Like why are you hiding like? He didn't get into a massive gun battle last night with crazy armored goons Jesse man but also like people don't know he exists but he's a dragon man you know didn't react well to seen him for the first time I wouldn't she be like. Oh yeah it makes sense that you need to be in the shadows. No because she knows that everyone in that building is dead. There's nothing yeah fair. She's like I took care of it for you deal. It's fine I just WanNa love you forever to be mine and then Jerry jumps down like Haya just want to make sure you're okay in an attempt to make sure that no one gets ambushed. He ambushes them so they're talking. Oh my God. This is one of my favorite part. So we're not quite there yet. But the look that Jerry just gives Goliath like totally like are you fucking kidding me right now just because there's one pretty face you're going to do the stupid Shit Collides thousand years. You're not wrong but also stop cock blocking me chatting Jerry. Injury Motor getting to know each other. They trade some verbal barbs and she just wanted to know his name and he's like what does everything have to have a name like the sky name does. It's called the sky. The river have a name. Think actually. Yes it's the Hudson line and I will also be thoughts and she had Hudson Nice to meet you. Yeah he's like. Does that body of water having aimed that one right there and like yeah so now we have two named Gargoyles. He's like a God. I'm Hudson to were all very. We're all edson now. Wanted to call gargoyles before. Now we're Hudson's Idaho care he takes off he's like Oh everything's cool all right but so we'll go back home and watch TV. I guess so. Goliath was like all right. Well she's good show the city and she's like show me the city and she's like okay. Well how's this GONNA work? Let me just scoop you up in my Manley arms. And then they had. They had this whole like she kind of had his her hand to his chest to. Oh my detective. Mazda IS SOAKED. Boy Hoo yeah in Jerry. His Hudson now we to call them hot not geriatric Jerry. More got an this is when he just gives Goliath a look. You and yours Hudson's just like Fuck not this again okay. I'M OUT BY. Its very awkwardly like okay puts. It's really uncomfortable for him to suddenly be calling someone else by a name but was like wow. I thought this was not a level playing field but I guess we all have names. You guys think you're on my level. Okay God and we take to this guy. I mean all right if you were going on a first date. Yeah which I know. It's been a fucking longtime so you've had a first date. It's been fifteen years. Yeah and if some dreaming dreaming person or Gargoyles in this case is like hey hey buddy I date fly you around Newark City. Be Terrified fucking terrified. There's not a seat belt. That is true. Gary yet again. He's just holding her and not even like in a grip. He's like a baby. Kinda you know. He's he's got. He's got detective remote in his scoop. Yeah like a cat and I was gonNA say he does the way that like people always talk about carrying someone over the threshold your wedding for your wedding night or whatever. He's that kind of hold. Yeah it's not safe what that hinder his gliding abilities. I mean it's definitely going to. He's got to rework the math in his head. Because he's carrying senile bright. Yeah and up in the air like that. They're flying. Through the city. Those giant buildings they create wind tunnels in nothing but a windbreaker and dkny jeans. She's freezing her tits live. Come on you didn't bring a blanket or nothing those genes list you want to get into the genes now or should we wait. We'll wait we'll wait for the end of that was Boy There's listeners. We got jeans concerns so they're flying or gliding and talking about how great the city is or how things have changed and the first thing is like everything so different stone streets. You were attacked by a helicopter. He's like I haven't seen anything that nice the Romans made roads. Oh you believe it dude. You're flying over car you know. It's a small things in life that make him happy. Yeah it's like wow asthma. We cut back to the castle. Simple Pleasures Goliath. Likes the simple things in life. So yes the castle. Go on please back at home. Hudson and dog oil are walking around. They're kind of bored. He's the only one home really does look like I don't know what to do because the broke out on their adventure. Goliath is out on his date. You'll go kershaw you and me dog. Oh the dog can't fly ears. Don't help him gliding. Find a small room. That has a big screen. Tv and a recliner. Why is this here? I don't know like it makes. No sense is deluxe hanging out late at night in his little TV room. What is this for? It's not like it's like? Oh here's the theater room right. It's like Oh here's my Dan News at one of those big security centers with like twenty screens. This is how he gets his entertainment. He's got a lazy boy. A little side table and a Zenith TV. Yup Okay I mean do you think that Hudson and deluxe just chill out eating popcorn just watching? Well what were they watching the nineteen ninety-four married with children? Because I do I think so. So Hudson sits on the chair. And it's like Whoa. What is this and like the leg thing comes out? He's like Oh this is real. It is and he's just a rock in like an old man. Are you a fan of recliners? I don't have on though I used to one and I love that damn thing so much but I actually really like couches that have like the reclining sections. Yeah I wish I had one of those one day. Maybe get in all kinds of good positions that way. Yeah homeboy Oh boy. What are we doing here Liz? And then he turned on the TV. And of course it's going to be blaring some bad ass rock music. Yeah that's deluxe turned off back to doing business still watching MTV or vh one like what is this and it scares the shit out of him and oh so they go running off this. I loved this scene so much. We moved to the main streets of New York City. We're down street. Level and a couple is making their way to dinner and their car dies mental the street. Liz who the fuck. Let's this happen. Did he run out of Gas Lou? Maybe 'cause it sounds like the the ignition was at working like turning over not starting and all that he knows Liz. This exchange had me laughing so loud. I literally was echoing throughout my house. I think let's go ahead and play it because it's ridiculous don't tell me this is charming undiscovered bistro behind that dumpster. Give it a rest margot cut dammit. Margot Brinton just wanted to take you out for a Nice Dinner. And you're being an asshole for no fucking raisin in what world especially in the early nineties was forty grand cheap for a car. Think she's just being a Dick write. My car was twenty thousand dollars and I was like. Oh my God. It's so much money and forty G. Nine hundred ninety. She's like this piece of Shit. I mean it's probably a nice lexus. Fucking and Brenton let it run out of gas. He's a fair he is an idiot. I understand her anger regarding that. But she's also just a bitch anyway so can margot rending gets out of the car and is like oh. I'll fix it and she's like you can't even like do the most basic of. I don't know why you think you can fix us but okay go ahead. You CAN'T TOAST BREAD. And she's out there or he's out there trying to look at the hood and everything and suddenly some youth. I can't really tell like violent youth gang. What are you talking about these young teenagers? Who are clearly in their forty. Yeah Yeah it was ridiculous like these. Three criminals are just like who there buddy. You're at our territory. Passport shows papers Blah Blah Blah and. He's like I don't have that much cash on me but here take it. And they're like that was the wrong answer and then they're going to fight him by then. The tech dreamcoat suddenly shows up. She swoops in on her Her wing boyfriend. Oh Hey I got this situation. And she's like follow me and take some down a dark alley Goliath fuck shit up. She is in violent criminals. Yeah like girl what. We don't know how they're armed as she seems really excited by those like she seemed super into it. She was already excited. She setting up some jerk off for later. She's like. I know how this is going to play out and I'M GONNA commit it to the old memory banks God. She's into some weird shit. She wants to see a giant reptile million. We still don't know just beat the Fuck. Outta some guys and this is a great way to keep a low profile. I mean we're going to assume. Did he kill they? Take off running. He just gets other beat him. Up Margaret Brennan. Definitely take. Yes they run away he may kill these three or maybe. He knocks him unconscious. No I like mine better edge. She's like amateur -tective. I support this message. I support this decision. Like what. Okay but at least Brendan in possibly Margot. They actually see the laugh because for whatever reason margot gets out of the car. What's going on over there? Boehner go check it out. It's me margot maker of good decisions and the C. Three men get murdered by the devil himself and then they take off right. Yup. Let's go check on the Braga oils. They nearly kill a guy. Oh my head so the little green one is i. What is that cool thing? And it's a motorcycle and he's like BRB is. I didn't go check this. Oh and you soups down. And he's like wow. The Raider is understandably truck year. And does he dive off the what happens? No he lost control and like I don't think he dove off of it. Like the motorcycle tipped over on he was. He gets thrown off the motorcycle. Crashes into a wall causing thousands of dollars of property damage and then read guys like dude. Glass said we're not supposed to let anyone see us. And then we cut to the next scene where this fucking walking around and I would assume a central park taking a stroll understand that back then more so than now. The park was a really really dangerous place to be at nights like people stayed clear of it for the most part. Okay yeah by color do is probably maybe like three o'clock in the morning at this point we don't know but it was his idea to stick to the rooftops. He said that yeah. He very quickly. Losing control of I don't know like his beliefs. He's changing already for you. Yeah that's exactly and he's like Oh she wants to go for a stroll in the park and I wanna get this thousand year old de wet. So let's only got killed me so I guess we're GONNA go for a stroll in the park. Those Lee jeans are really convincing. It's true so Lizzie. Our I'm crying. We continue or do you need a break. No let's go all right. We're almost at the end of the episode so Liz. They're doing this unsafe stroll through the park there. Chatting. They're flirting. They are most definitely taking the long stroll down. Fuck too sexy time station when more. Goddamn Helmet Troops Shaw. So they show up. They shoot glass with a tranquilizer DART and they attacked detective. Dream Boat and she's NYPD so they just assaulted an officer that is bad news bears. Yeah looks like that sixty times throw a bad idea. You dumb asses stuck to the rooftop like he said boy. Stop thinking giant. Dick Goliath this. You would at least it's proportional to the body and he's like nine feet. Tall disgust might be seventeen feet tall again. I don't understand length or distance. God I just sorry. I got real worried for her lady. Bits with this is about a children's show the episode ends with one of the troops straight up preparing to kill Goliath. And we get a dramatic music sting and it's over man the to be continued. I don't remember the first to having to be continued did they? I don't remember either. Jeremy Happened to sit down next to me like when my husband was like wait. It's a to be continued was like well. This is actually five parts of so I. I was like honestly. I don't remember if the others were to be continued. Or if it's because the other ones I feel like at least had like an Arc. Beginning end definitely is in the middle of the chaos. So I don't know that's a good point. Well we're going to take one more quick break. We'RE GOING TO FINISH UP OUR EPISODE. Which is not to be continued. Or maybe it is 'cause awakenings five per what will be walk along after tragedy strikes. Lusa truly nicer to come back for the funeral. Dnd GROUP UNITES. A up man to celebrate the life of a friend tank until some thing happens. Now they're struggling to survive in a world they don't understand grew as they failed for time and space in an epic podcast from the calamity cast network dropping subscribe to it beginner's guide to monetary destruction. That's what I'm calling my penis as eight seconds ago right so Daniel. What did you think about this episode? There were some interesting elements out to today's episode of the sexual tension between detective. Dreamy Goliath. They're not gonna go because of course. This is a children's show. They're not GonNa go where I think you really want. We're never going to get there. We're going to have to maybe cover some fantastic. Yes some extra episodes. They definitely play the romantic tension and relationship of those two throughout like most of the show. Because I feel like when lady gargoyles shows that there's a love triangle that was the old power company. This new one with Goliath dream job. She's got real power she's NYPD. Would you think I really liked it? I think this has been my favorite of the three so far. But I think mostly because we're actually moving forward what plot in not just establishing what the show is. It's wild that is taking so long to name the other Gargoyles to. Oh Yeah I did not remember that at all I mean I knew. They got their names in New York because of what their names in being but have is that voice actor known for anything. That's Ed Asner in. You are familiar with Ed. Asner rust me. I am so shocked to learn that as of this recording as nurses still alive was born November Fifteenth Nineteen Twenty nine in Kansas City Missouri. I did not know that now. He's been an actor for many many many many years. But I'm going to go to the a number one at asner voice acting role that I know that you've seen he was the old man up. That is ED. He was an Elf. Who enough. I've never seen many times many times many times. Are you sure because he was Santa? Only I don't know this dude look like so. That's a fair point. You've never seen that asner before. But you have because he was Santa but also you know Santa has beard and all that like Oh okay. Let's not blame beards and not knowing things to shave your beard and you walk down the street and be like Philip. Fuck that dude anyway. All right I know Daniel when you were watching this episode you were texting me systems. Green Chats you text me quite a bit regarding detective dream votes pants do you. Thin hair booty. It's absurd how they they focused on it in a children's cartoon in the mid nineties do you think those are actually jeans or do you think they're leggings. I think they're actually genes like just thinking about how genes were back in the nineties when you could buy tight jeans. But they didn't really have like J. Games the way that they do now didn't really have stretchy denim. It was probably like actual data go back and forth because sometimes she has visible pockets. And sometimes she doesn't but she's always got a scene wipe down or crotch. There's no fly drawn there's zipper drawn. It's just the line tightest jeans possible. It doesn't look very comfortable especially not for kicking like she's running around. I can only assume things are going to change. It seems like they're so tight. They're gonNA fucking splitter down the middle. It was funny because I noticed when she was at the elevator is. We're just like if you saw. Because he is her so he has to look down but straight down to like her ass right on down to that. Don't speaking of clothing in general. Do you foresee the gargoyles getting anything? Besides wine clubs by the end of the series aside from Hudson who is wearing clothes right. He's got leggings and a shirt and sandals and Paul drancy got Aldrin's to keep his shoulders safe doesn't the red one get close when he. You're watching it on Disney plus two. That is a screen shot. Yeah Yeah so you are right. I don't know the context there seen it. We have seen it man. Can you imagine putting Goliath in some jeans? She can she is. It's I'm uncomfortable. Gives them like Nice? Ask kicking motorcycle boots. Oh boy and a fast no-shirt just a fast. How do shirts work with wings? Hemi huddled pants work with tales. There's a button that goes over the tail so in class just just like the front does with the button like if you had your Dick hanging out could button over it was you know how sometimes you have your digging out to the fly. It's it's backflow is what it is is a back fly so I assume that you can do like a shirt the same way where you would button or snap under the wing. You know what I'm trying to say is I'm developing a line of clothing. Four gargoyles fagged Clinton Caspian clothing. While it's that you claim his calamity casts. I never mentioned a partnership or anything. It's more or less solo endeavor but not I guess well is. Episode of defenders of the night is in the bag as has become customary. We'd like to thank in McGowan for composing. Our various interstitial music heard throughout the show. Check him out on Instagram and twitter at easy underscore breezy underscore Mac. That's E as Z. Y. Breezy underscore. Mac and check out his band. 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