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Chiefs- Raiders Pregame Show (RAIDER HATER WEEK 2019)

Kingdom Radio

16:44 min | 1 year ago

Chiefs- Raiders Pregame Show (RAIDER HATER WEEK 2019)

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It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's pain and it's getting in between you this Kansas City look this rivalry dates back today's Lynne Dawson but it was former head coach Marty Schottenheimer who plays enjoy just three bucks plus free shipping just go to Harrys DOT COM and enter five thousand at checkout that's Harrys Dot com code five thousand Saturday September fourteenth and we are on the eve of the chiefs raiders divisional match up I will say hey I'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company let's start off by the first game ever play between the chiefs and the raiders it was nineteen sixty and the Dallas Texans faced off against the Oakland Raiders as our stadium where the Texans now the chiefs one thirty four to sixteen the chiefs also lead the overall series sixty five fifty three asked German blade factory obsessing over every detail means we're confident and offering one hundred percent quality guarantee millions of guys have already made the switch to Harry's so thank you if you're one of them called Harry's the idea for Harry came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades most brands were overpriced over designed out of touch at Harry's our approach is simple dude emphasis on the matchup and came up with the term raiders week he made sure all of his players knew how deep this rivalry runs and made sure his team just like I already said the chiefs have won twenty games and lost nine thousand nine tied one all time at the Coliseum and if you're not we hope you give a try with this special offer get a Harry starter set with five Blade Razor Waited Handle Shave Gel and travel cover offered the raiders that was that was one of my favorite all time games. It's just it's hard to see Oakland move we are up one game on the raiders at the Oakland Coliseum let's make that two games let's not let them even the slate before they move to Las Vegas has kids sports update at Arrowhead and if you cannot find this their research kingdom radio and you will find us welcomed Taylor how are we do in Kansas City I am Richard Smith host of Kingdom radio so here's our secret we make sharp durable blades and sell them at honest prices for as low as two dollars each we care about quality so much that we do some crazy things like by a world to Las Vegas it just doesn't seem right but hey this is a business that's what it's all about and look we are in the Andy Reid air and since and to ties in the one hundred nineteen times they faced each other today will likely marked the last time the chiefs every play the raiders in Oakland as the team's relocating Las Vegas last see the Tennessee sports updates to local kingdom off all things chiefs brought to you by air they will they will move to Las Vegas so this is our last trip to the Oakland Coliseum and the black hole and I feel like it's going to be a great one Patrick Mahomes completed thirty seven of sixty two attempts in two games against Oakland throwing for five hundred and seventy six yards and six touchdowns who's ready for the raiders compiling eighteenth record against the raiders during his tenure as chiefs head coach and boy I'll tell you what I loved Marty Schottenheimer on their last three straight against Derek Carr Oakland team I will say that you know look we've kind of had Oakland you know I'm kind of upset that this is the last time the chiefs are going to Oakland to face our divisional rivals assures everybody knows this coming season the interception and that was in the season series those are not too shabby numbers there we can keep that up also Travis Kelsey had his best game has taken over his chiefs head coach cheese ten and two record verse Oakland with both losses coming in Oakland mind you the chiefs yes yes that was that New York giants defense he coached that stopped that Sixteen and Oh New England patriots down and new tied in Deir Waller had seven receptions for seventy yards and week one at Denver perhaps the most imp- is number over the last twenty years and I want to keep it that way I feel like that the tomorrow will hold strong to that value as well so looking back to last season it's ever ever ever of bringing home the Lombardi Trophy Kansas City and I cannot wait to get this game started but I'll tell you what if there's one man shut the door on them in the Super Bowl I think it happened to be a guy by the name of Steve spag Nolan Chris Woodward on iheartradio apple podcast Google podcast spotify's regard player at them cast box and all third party applications check us out on facebook platforms such as Kareem Hunt against the Patriots who I feel I had a better day than that so I could be wrong you know he could have shy the Andre Rise in days let's remember the Andre Rise in touchdown on Monday night football and the Oakland Coliseum with time running out for the chiefs to defeat the season catching twelve balls for one hundred sixty eight yards and two touchdowns so look it's looking good against the raiders they did lose a huge key element which we dollars over the salary cap now we signed McCoy and the tyreek hill extensions to settlements with injured players and the reason owner they had infamous Al Davis with those gold glasses and and that just that look at you can't stand it tanked that was a great era for chief football you know you think about those teams back in the day in the nineties is when I was growing up in two thousand and one you know I don't know how I feel about that stat I kind of remember a guy by the name restructured contracts so the chiefs are currently sitting at twenty three point seven million dollars cap space that is plenty of room for the chiefs uh-huh shy of that stat just a little bit but I feel like Kareem Hunt might have pressed that record last season or two seasons oppressive was rookie running back Josh Jacobs who who and his NFL debut rush twenty three times for eighty five yards and two touchdowns adding a nice reception his team that was on fire and look like the best team to ever take the field and spag shut that down look we have the best chance as week. I'm a raider hater for life hate the raiders everything about them I can't stand art shell but I couldn't stand any of them any of them that for twenty eight yards this is the first time a rookie making his debut had one hundred yards from scrimmage with two touchdowns since Ladainian Tomlinson did back all know Antonio Brown little social media debacle art to get himself released from the raiders then signed a few hours later a salary cap numbers according to Sport Chek Dot Com and this is Great Kansas City because after all these signs before McCoy we're sitting at twenty one million and the raiders just thinking about Jasmine nuts drives me nuts Kansas City but look the raiders appear to be an approved team even without Antonio is a huge day Lucia McCoy Russia's for over one hundred yards are defense will get to Derek Carr all day long they're not gonNA stop us they never I feel like that this is probably the best the best route that look that tells me that we have an unselfish team and I love whenever it was okay look so we have some signings this week we obviously signed Lesean McCoy last week but here is with our rival the Patriots and we all know what happened when Randy Moss with the Patriots I mean that was a huge year for New England does the move to clear cap space appears to signal trade possibly Ford quarterback otherwise it doesn't make sense to clear this amount of money with look it's week three I'm sorry this week two of the NFL season we really need to come out of the this is a huge AFC west matchup this is one of our biggest rivals in the history of Kansas City. We should not take this lightly in my mind really isn't that Great Aka Cha Oakland Raiders. I feel like we're going to dice them apart yet reduction we didn't keep inching this Patrick mahomes had over three hundred yards in the first half of last week's game that's a career contract restructures of both left Tackle Eric Fisher and linebacker Anthony Hitchens a move that cleared up an additional ten point six million dollars go out and grab another addition up if that's what they choose to do I mean we're making smart smart moves with our money I look for I look for this to be Mahomes Kelsey Day and then militia McCoy have a huge day I don't know why but I can just feel it Kelsey eh we couldn't be looking better Kansas City so with that being said I do want to say shutdown this Oakland offense seriously has been stumbling for the last few seasons so let's move onto predictions day for Alex Smith a career day three hundred yards and this man do that in the first half look you put us up against a defense that last time to face the Oakland raiders. I'm ready for it I don't know about y'all I do not know about y'all but I'm ready for crazy anybody who had the chiefs players on fantasy football like myself I do have Patrick Mahomes I also have list so get ready Kansas City tomorrow three Oh five arrowhead time we're at the Oakland Coliseum for the last time for this this is a big deal Kansas City to have unselfish team like we do have Eric Fisher and Anthony Hitchens restructure the

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Debate Amongst Friends Season 5 Episode 8

Debate Amongst Friends With Doc & Prof

1:08:50 hr | 9 months ago

Debate Amongst Friends Season 5 Episode 8

"Sportscenter. Lazy Gentlemen Welcome back to among friends I'll deep Co over here is back leased that the podcasting event ready to provide you with another fun edition of Sports News Analysis, in the reads Ewing. You're way. Ladies and gentlemen. DOC PROP here we're happy decided to join us this week for a debate amongst friends but. We normally go straight into sports, but we're going started off with some gaming news. Later you didn't hear the war cry the professor warcry of you wing. Echoed all they. A combination of that and many other phrases that we would say off the podcast for multiple years including, who do you think you are Shadows Kluber lead. BLEEP. And I don't know believe. There was a lot of bleeding bleeps. bleeps. Ones that Helen would. Probably. Fire on the spot for she probably would have fired me for. But today Sir you have the news breaking news or gaming amounts Rennes team neutralize you break that news right there there boil. So Ladies and gentlemen as of today, and this is the day that the xbox series x as xylophone and S. as in Sam are available for pre. Order? The three core members of gaming amongst friends team tries. Doc Dr. meltzer shallow and boy, the message I Gatti will be the proud owners of brand new. xbox series S as and sale. And it's so funny because right now shadow the dawn has no idea. He has no clue. But by the time, he is the show. Where he would have been celebrating for at least ten if hours. multitasking was an art today folks I worked hard and I clicked hard on the Microsoft website to get into the queue and once I got in the first time. Doc. I ordered mine. I said big men. I'm GonNa Order Yours. She a new address is what he said what's your new address and I jumped on that email because I'm moving in November lanes CONGRATS I. Appreciate it. I jumped that email and looked at that confirmation and I said, you put it to seven seven, zero seven for Durham right now. He's about his health address their folks. But then after that ten minutes of getting the new address and ordering Docs xbox series S. as in Sam I said Doc. Was Great twice was nice but let's try it thrice. Just like the AFL WanNa do it three times. Three thousand five. Is. So buddy things going on out there. So yes so you WanNa, tell. Yes, so xbox and we were just talking about this right before we started to show just so crazy. xbox one. HAS BE X. and. have. And and then you have now the xbox series x and the s apparently. According to Amazon. The xbox one x sales are up seven, hundred and forty, seven percent. Now. I'm hoping. that. These are just people who may maybe just said forget it. You know xbox series X is about to come out. I'm going to get the discount on these xbox one XS. I'm really really hoping. that. These aren't. You, know it is. You know it is. And told you this so real. People are just clicking randomly and are not doing due diligence when checking out in fact, when back said it I said should I check that he said Nah I knew you you're you you bleed. Due. Diligence we're. GonNa get it right it's going to be the professor, John Guy, the gang of traumatic the data analyzing the counter. Of his own destiny and I'm talking about the game folks I'm talking about a real life. Although I'm still ring allow people's comments about xbox today and it is just hilarious. and. Especially after they released this quick message here, Forty eight minutes ago abject say on twitter on twitter. It says we are humbled by the record-breaking demand for xbox series X and s huge. Thanks to everyone for the excitement prayer hands. If. You weren't successful today be sure to sign up with retailers for updates and expect more consoles to be available. On November ten ny fan we said we wanted to get a today. We want. Right. Now. But it was definitely a struggle. To, get him their. Back off website was down quite a bit during the day, and for some reason, there were some issues putting in payments as well. Another thing that they were adamantly quick to update people on their social media? So shutouts to Microsoft doing up. But once you got in there for the pre order, you are pretty much good. I really hope people clicking too many times. End Up with fourteen xbox one XS coming in. That definitely crossed Lebron's. Arlene definitely crossed the threshold I mean, if that happened obviously DOC Scott would have a condition fit he'll probably all of his hair and he probably jump out of a window because just a too much money to be dropping. Yeah. Next week, we would just be. Friends on a cast. Be debatable experience by we'll be friends guest so. Shout out to Scott in his his budget the but. We're here we have not seen. We bought three and Gimme amongst friends team neutralize. Daniel Leroy can continue Dantley Roy. And speaking of dangerous. To night. Gaming amongst friends will be diving deep. into the brand new expansion for Tom Clancy's the division to call the the Summit Preschool Skyscraper Doc. I know you're excited. I'm excited to get engaged with this. I mean any last minute thoughts on this going for I know what's going to happen but the problem is it going to be randomized? So there's no reads to really take place for me. So my plan. is to go into this tower as if I heard someone say. Mclean I have your wife here. So what you're saying is we're going to be quoting a lot of diehard. Tie. At. The beating of really high gloss. Ex exactly. What's going to happen? McLean. A sensor summit, they say if you have stay. HIV. But yet, I'm excited about the summit I've been waiting two weeks. For Reno, the updates going in with a status affect build. So hopefully I can. You know cause some havoc and We'll see what happens. -solutely and with that note, folks are going to be right back with work debate amongst friends. Bright after this. And we are back NFL week to know fans. Same results as last year for some teams and fortunately, we have to break out the panic meter. Early. My goodness. The New York. Around. The world are crying. They turned their TV's off. They've canceled their direct TV Sunday, ticket subscriptions they are finished as the giants and the jets make mockery. Of But Ball. I duNno wide giants jets fans are so surprised like these two teams are not qualified for the panic button. The giants I gave the benefit of the doubt new head coach. Day, they have I, mean on paper the giants have a Pretty Okay T. yes. On paper paper off paper, and unless you doc lease ner holding the sticks plan madden. Right exactly. and not throwing seven interceptions oud on their on their. Then now now, the giants and jets who we thought the beginning season. So. The jets. So let's talk about first of all the elephant in the room the injuries obviously bay injury to the giants saquon Barkley torn AC now out from the year recorded wishing the best. Recovery. But. At the same time, they're planning us the bears. Mitchell trubisky laughing you know the bone of a lot of jokes last year. And they can't get it done but the jets really topped the cake. Because, the forty niners lost four to five starters. Yes four quarterback running backs, receivers, divas, players get out I. mean everybody I think they'll probably a what they got hurt also. and. The jet still could not get it done not only lost. You know Bell last week they lost the bucks old receiver this week Rashawn Perriman Yep which is sad because he went to the jets precipitated again, shot to shine and gets hurt but the jets are just no good and that's why I said Billy Donovan that I hope he doesn't become the next atom gays because I think Adam. Gaze is a great coordinator. But when it comes to being a head coach. Just might not be forum it could be like Joe Philbin. Yes. Open was a great coordinator for Green Bay in went to you went to Miami. The? Amazon like cats. Yeah. It's it's a different role that you have to. Assume with much more larger responsibilities. Sometimes. But so those are the two teams right now we're on the panic button manual not. Forty niners because they actually one without all their all the injured players But the one team we are hitting the panic button for is the Minnesota Vikings. Throw your fantasy football numbers right out the window. As Kirk cousins. Shows again, practice time. Not, worth. prime-time. Money that they gave him. He had a whopping. Eighteen point three zero fan points the Sunday against the thirty second ranked Defense Kylie. One hundred thirteen yards three interceptions sacked three turns. Of the NASKI. Viking. Fans out there and I do apologize and I mean this satirically but. Because I don't. I'll say adopt competence. Our. With competence not for my team is he was never on my team not even on the auto draft. But he has been dropped. He's been dropped from a had the number. It was like ninety percent of teams on ESPN fancy. Pretty Terrible. Eli. Pretty. Terrible. That's outside of the people who got hurt. Right week one, it wasn't terrible I. Don't blame you. Ninety eight points the first week used projected to have ninety eight point. So he kind of hit it but to have matt teen points versus the number thirty, two, the last rank. It's pathetic. Actually I mean. Nothing there. I got there. But those are the three teams, giants, the jets, the Vikings, the teams that Hey y'all might wanna call your your friends and make sure that they're doing. Okay because. As I which transition right now to the panthers. Myself. In a winning effort. was ready to retire from. Watching Football So. Twenty one nothing and I'm like. I can't do this anymore. You know because I know that we should have been up. Thirty five nothing YEP. And I'm looking on my okay they've scored they scored again and then as a as a fantasy on of Christian McCaffrey I'm like, shut him down but let them score at the same time. That taxi. Dave. I. Definitely load of throttle I just stink. Day just got completely complacent. Somebody said they ran out of gas and I said we definitely had to stop are we had to make pit stop somewhere in guess? Yes. Came from Leonard Fournette. Yes, who you, we both said at the beginning of the season. Great Pickup Ford Bucks. And I believe you said because you have the pulse of box. Nation. Sure that the fans the people now want. To be the featured back. Of. The buccaneers you. How do you feel about that? I mean, they were turned on. Roggio. Let the right and and granted. I don't believe wholeheartedly in the entire offense Alon but what the cut that I saw I would say Leonard Fournette make. I mean, it looked really good and I hate the fact that. Number One. Roggio who? Is Fast I mean he's sporting for such down. He looked I think his confidence might have been shot after he fumbled exchange with Brady earlier in the game. Then later on the game. lesean McCoy drops a touchdown in the end zone. So at that particular time to running backs messed up so. All that people see now Is Leonard for net getting gains. Where everybody else has got nothing but losses Yup. So it's easy for them to just say hey Leonard Fournette should be. The Guy. You know like he should be the guy, give it to them. Don't hold back. It's the last game of the season. No doubt leave. No doubt. But. Yeah that's pretty much. What is that's bucks. Panthers. Ray Game for Teddy Bridgewater I thought. No touchdowns, but you really lightness up. Of the bucks. Still. Room for improvement it's only this is only the second week. I'm not feeling. That all. Let's have US get this game out of the way. One. Oh I'm going to go a different game working m feeling. I'm feeling it now. The Green Bay packers this is the Detroit lions and my Rhinebeck Ladies and gentlemen my running. Air Jerry Jones Yep. Eighteen carries. One hundred sixty eight yards, two touchdowns or receptions sixty eight yards one touchdown, my guy. Was Bali. Absolutely. It was the Aaron Jones. Show. I love it's hands down Aaron Jones show the packers had now have run game folks. He's been there and that's the thing that's crazy. That's that's the thing that was crazy. They went out and drafted a running back. Aaron Jones has been really really dominant if says. They've had a lot of injuries. Yup. Done a lot of different things, but he showed him yesterday. The ball to me. Given ball he wants the ball you will hear what? The law. Sit Down Danny I. Mean. So the packers look pretty legit I mean we can. We can honestly say they look like the best team in the NFC. After two weeks. Hands. down. Now they really good an Rogers D-. He's proven around. He's like you know, Jordan love you're GonNa stay right on that bench I realized. Yup. So they're like the best. In my opinion and like no one a one B is definitely Seattle seahawks. Yeah because Russell always plays well and I think we talked about this last year I. Think I told you I said you know. I really felt like he needed to be the MVP candidate you know race. But you know. Big Trust was playing so well. Yup. That you know you really can't do anything about that. But wrestle really always does very well It's just it's hard now to go against the mahomes the know all these other planes come out of nowhere. That align. Exactly and I mean speaking of homes just to that game. Now since I just mentioned it here, chiefs, risks, chargers, Mahomes, verses, tyrod wait. Now. tyrod Justin Herbert young rookie. Out of Oregon getting the nod as tyrod hurt yet again. Shame it's a shame. and. How Apropos that this is exactly similar to what happened two seasons ago. When tyrod was the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. It's Shelbert, bawled out. He really did in I'm surprised people haven't picked him up, but I guess they want to see because. They're. Still. Saying tyrod is the starter. So he's not the starter. He's I'm. Doc He's not start. And understand what they're saying. I'm telling you what it is. He's not starving anymore after. He lost his job again Bisson, he didn't lose his job as they're saying. Yeah, we're GONNA regard to wait and see. But. Speaking of losing jobs. I think now is the time. To talk about. dimple. Probably one of the dumbest things. I've ever seen. Yup. In a football game Yup happened with. Forty, five or fifty seconds left in fourth quarter. Kicker lawns up went on onside kick. He doesn't put it on a T. He just puts it sideways. Taps the side of it. It spins like teenagers playing spin the bottle. Caps but sure know all the players sitting around waiting to see who gets to kiss the girl. And nobody touches it all my guy nobody touches don't touch this bottle. They let it go ten yards and yet. And the watch the cowboys jump on this ball. I immediately said. Those are the Falcons. Yeah. That's pretty much a summary of. The Falcons right there folks. That's pretty much the beginning of then right there. They played incredible. The first three quarters I believe. Yeah they thirty, nine to thirty in the fourth quarter with two minutes remaining Yup. You know one minute remaining they're up. Not. Tom Thirty nine to ten. Matt. Ryan. Or touchdowns for. You know none of them, of course, Julio Jones. touchdowns but four touchdowns and. This guy. These guys. Let them come back. And I'm just like. Oh, my goodness. I don't know. I think in this situation. And I hate this but. It might be time for them to switch coaches, right Dan Quinn no is Stephanie tosses coaches know. It's time. Time. Ta. Typer new coach Todd top Tom Taw. Talk. About The is beyond the hospital talk about teams but you know you got gangrene got Adam gays and obviously you're GONNA get. He he loves the hot seat. He thrives on it. You know. Yeah. Look at L. Matt Patricia Who's? Had No success YEP. In in. In Detroit a patriots. Two Point Zero. Minus Five. So. We have a whole bunch of cowboy fans celebrating. Left and right people are calling this the greatest comeback. In history. Now now, there was history. That took place. But. I feel like people are taking this this win. A too far. I think it's more of the Alkan losing it. Yes. It's not even more of it was the falcons losing it. Come on guys stop it. Matt Ryan was torching the cowboys. Don't get me wrong and I'm not GonNa say that I'm going to say this DAX showed he should be. Well he's going to show. He's he needs to be paid every game of the season like. Me bawled out like we know we know that that that can bowl out. That's not the issue. The issue is, can he bowl out to equate to wins? That for cowboys, fans of these those are smart. Equal to a deep playoff run. Versus, just winning the trash NFC east. A lot now. To only give bounce in the first round, stop it for Latman, you're talking about. Which is why I said Smart Dallas Cowboys fans. I'm not touching that one. That's why trinity with that. I'm not touching it not going anywhere. We over here nobody will lose their minds a her regular season game regular season. And we to and we took kidney. Blasphemous You did it way better but. I don't know those are the highlight of games we're going to go over this week I I don't know by the cowboys I don't know about the. Charges and tyrod all I know is that. The Bucks gotta get better I'm quitting football. They heard it folks you heard it here folks and I will keep doc honest about it too because. So is he said that I'm finished with football The watching like a hawk. Casual Van Please don't become Antrim Fan please don't. Are. GonNa follow the teams signing transactions anymore. Aegis could be sitting there just reacting to the means and. Look robots one, it'd be played. Great. This will be the last season of debate box. I'll be going based off of breaking. News Story. By booger make violence. then. The cowboys, the cowboys scored forty points. And talking only Scott Thirty, thirty nine. So that means the cowboys won this game. Exactly. That's the that's all it means. Cowboys ball out. Now who there was. No we weren't. They were but let's take a quick break. Come back with a two minute drill right after this. Anthony Davis received the ball. He's at the wing. He pulls up shoots John Gotta get the clock John. GotTa get the block. I wish I wish actually. Came allies yuan. Blocking John starks ended ninety four finals. I wish I'm ninety five fires I'm sorry ninety, five, ninety, four was the magic. You. Know the game two was really good. I. Don't know how anyone could. Really. Be, excited about the Lakers and their two point game winning win over the nuggets people are really excited about a one point victory in the next subject. So. That's true. Too but in that situation and of course, we're going to get to the MVP thing later today. We didn't talk about but That happens that show, right? But when the Lakers are playing the rockets last series I wasn't convinced. because. We're playing small ball. They have all these big did not destroying us like I've felt they should have received westbrook struggling even wide open and he's not hitting. You can't do that with the nuggets you know. So here you have a rising nuggets team, which in our conversation with my co workers earlier this week or last week in the last week and they were saying who would have thought the nuggets will be in the Western Conference finals and I'm like when you really think about it, all of these teams that are in the playoffs this year including the Lakers who aren't there the last couple years. Couldn't get past the warriors. But guess what? There are no more warriors right now. The warriors have gone home a long time ago. So Here you are. Now these teams are now trying to Jackie verb position. Now, it's like the trailblazers have been people's Gillies. He'll the nuggets the Spurs, and now here you have the Lakers who have built this team that. Pretty much has the seminar same pieces give or take a player or two Yup. Can they get past a team? whose been together. For years, and that's why I believe that nuggets have been able to make these comebacks. 'cause they've been together for years they have the chemistry and I believe that two point victory although it's the saving grace of the Lakers right now. this could easily have been a one one series going into a to win series Raven in negatively next government day I take. DOC IN WE'RE GONNA go real quickly and. Yes, it is rhetorical question because we've debate to statement before doc. What did I say after the nuggets won the Clippers series Was the first thing I said. A lot of things now I said, okay, the better team actually one and I mentioned all the things I said before game seven, all the things that the clippers had lacking that can lead to them losing ledge I turn out to be right. And after. Game One. I'm like your your people are calling for sweep in all these other things for a team that just came back from three one twice. Twice. and. Hear all the disres- backed. Respect from mainstream media outlets. And I told you back I said doc I really hope the same people that was all over social media clouding on the clippers have that very same energy win. The Lakers. Lose to series. Because because the main thing said and you grieve said this before the bubble started was this season. This championship is going to be an astronaut for any other team that's not the Lakers. Any other team but not the Lakers especially if it's the clippers. That's an issue that we have right now in sports. We had issues where we have people speaking about things in basketball. The has no idea what they're talking about like literally neuropathy. But I do crucial point. The nuggets have been a very cohesive unit I. Think the problem is. They need that that fire lit under them for them to really start getting things going and I think that is their Achilles heel. Is that they tend to start gains very moderate. But once they you know either someone do a taunt or I don't know. Something else happened during a game like that's when they go. Make Rain. Need to show them who I really like. Like, we can go to a level far beyond. You know, and then they go superstate and shoot the lights out of teams. The Lakers surprised we have been making their threes which was their biggest issue. I wonder if that's acid gonNA continue are not. Going forward, in this series. But they have the pedigree I mean they had the pedigree. Is there I mean and you can't take nothing away from having pedigree. I'm just talking about the consistency. To hit threes because now they're starting to play through Anthony Davis on the block. But before they were playing through Davis from the three. and. That was what was hurting them. Especially during that rocket series. I get it I. Get it I. Don't think that. I think people overlook the nuggets because obviously the nuggets have a history of being. Average team at best you know they've been bounced out of the playoffs last couple of years again. Either the Jazz Trailblazers Warriors, they've been against these guys. But last couple of years and I think I was even starting to doubt the head coach here. I. Think Right before they went down three one I was like listen if he gets bounced one more time, I think it's time for them without looking but it's two zero game tonight I've already picked already picked nuggets. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa stick with the nuggets do I think that could have I don't think they have too much pride. I don't think they can afford to have to battle back another three zero especially against Lebron. Yeah I guess I mean the nuggets last game went eight for twenty, four from three. I. Highly Doubt. That's a consistency for. Out as well So let's take a look and see what happens Obviously, Anthony Davis played huge absolute You know hitting it in a big shot I mean scoring thirty one points, nine rebounds Lebron Chipping in with a twenty six points, eleven, rebounds obviously Kentavious. Pope who really they had had on the bench. And they were playing Markeith Morris loon and they were playing Rondo planning other guys he wound up getting eleven points played thirty one minutes. Then Green Bay, Twenty eight minutes MVP candidate, Alex, Caruso You know he's been up there plan great defense I mean nothing you can do about it but ended the day. The. Nuggets. They really just need to stick to what they know what they're doing yet. They're playing great basketball they're getting. Contributions from everywhere everybody on the roster. Scored which is pretty unheard of. The nuggets for the nuggets. October. Didn't play daily. Active Active Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Everybody in the active roster scored which is pretty unheard of A. Question because you said this last series. So I'm GonNa ask you this question right now. Do the nuggets meter released Bobo Dude to release the beast Bobo out there. If he's healthy I, don't see why not I think it. We give them an opportunity to spread the floor little bit. So joke it can work in mobile can hit the three hit the mid range he can play defense you know I, think having joke and Bobo. Instead of Jokic and Paul meals. No offensive almost Abbott six points and rebounds ain't GonNa do it. They're boil. Nine Nov.. s not going to get you to. Extinction shift new is not going to get you there so. I think you something have to think about. And and go from there but I mean already picked it gets so. That's all I can say about that they're boil absolutely and real quick. We do have the Boston Miami Series Boston who backs was against the rope quote unquote. was able to take game three to make it a two one series Miami of course, leading the series. Suddenly now everyone's on the Jimmy Butler train doc is just like I told you. Well, and it's really not even Jimmy that's carrying a team that next game I know. The last series, it is really drastic but he doesn't really get the credit him in hero plan really really inspired basketball. In, this loss to the Celtics I mean Bam bio had twenty, seven and sixteen. I mean it's like we have to get away from Jimmy Butler and realize that he preferred to play with this gritty team over the Philadelphia Tina previously, which you would have thought that they have more talent. But in reality, this team is really really good I Andre Dollar to. An organ, the issue isn't the fact that. The Jimmy is out there just dropping dimes on people. It's the fact that Jimmy Butler stealing curson that mainstream media identify as a superstar. So they're putting all their attention on him. So I completely agree. You know, and this is still a against the media folk. So you you got to be a car cast where John. Gotti. Wasn't going to get on media. You sorely sorely mistaken there. So the surely mistake I mean don't get me wrong I mean Bam out of bio mentioned this before. The heat made a calculated highly calculated risk. It was A. Riley move. Letting Hassan whiteside go and say you know what? Bam Bio is be better than this on whiteside I guarantee who do you think you are I? Am I told you Bam out of I was going to be good. Very is twenty, seven, sixty you showing out. Air Exposures looking like a coach of the. Out there and you know I do Games out coaching. Brad Stevens Yep I'm it's been a credible chess match to. I'm. The only coach survived the Lebron affect as doc. So. Join and and it's working out and I mean they're playing on Wednesday. and. This is a game that I will definitely be watching. I still feel like just like you said I mean tyler heroes been playing great Derek Jones junior also mass shooting pretty well on the side of the ball. I mean but Gordon Dry Bridge is that guy people just forgot about him? and one thing you won't hear US doing here on debate amongst ranch because that's not what we do but you see how we completely shied away from you know the Celtics and the quote unquote screaming in the locker, room. We're not doing that. We're not doing that 'cause we know I won't be screaming to. To. To. Folks. Morona Sane Teal yesterday in the division for you going to early. A Larry Est.. By so thinking about in a video game I was yelling. In a real game, you're getting paid to play this game that you love and everybody's not bringing it to which I could see him being mad maybe at Gordon Hayward even here coming up injury but maybe he shouldn't have thirty minutes on the board. I can agree with that. You know. People are yelling because they're competitive, but the media was like Oh my God just took denting go but that's been an issue with the media for a long time and it it tells it shows a really bad light or the media there. No it does. It does. But I think. With came up with. It was A. Completely truthful analogy he was talking about how leaves Twenty Sixteen and he and Steve Kerr. Had An argument behind closed doors in locker room. And a reporter and and I had to look it up and it was actually true. The reporter reported the conversation like he was actually there. So when when Dr, profit, keep saying that worked media is TMZ by Josh. Sports media is TMZ. but further state of tomorrow I don't think the Celtics are going to go down three one I think they're gonNA battle back. For Kimbe to make it this far the furthest he's ever made it. so I think he'll. Come big. I'm thinking it's going to tied up tomorrow. I see this. Going six I don't see this one going seven. John Kelly says six. And I feel like whoever wins tomorrow's Wednesday game Is going to win this series. Completely. So we got the nuggets we got whoever wins tomorrow winning the series I got the Celtics I think something's got to figure out a way to do it I, like Jimmy and what are you doing but Something Boys Man. They battle-tested having they're going to get it done i. want to shove. They want us to carry I guess. You know you WANNA leave us out of sticking to you. That I don't think they really take on that low. Out I don't I just WANNA. Do out there. Media Sow also too quick breaking news Chicago Bulls hired former thunder head coach. Billy. Donovan. As their new head coach. That's you're just that's awesome. Hopefully, it works. Hopefully. He doesn't turn into an Adam Geese we're gonNA talk about next right after this break. And we are back NFL week to know fans. Same results as last year for some teams, and fortunately, we have to break out the panic meter. My goodness. The New York. Fans around the world are crying. They've turned their TV's off they've canceled their direct TV Sunday ticket. Subscriptions. They are finished as the giants and the jets make a mockery. Of but ball. I don't know why giants and jets fans are so surprised like these teens are not qualified for the panic. The giants I gave the benefit of the doubt. NEW HEAD COACH? Day they have me on paper. The giants have a pretty okay. T es on paper off and unless you. Lease ner holding the sticks plan Nadan. Right exactly. and not throwing seven interceptions. ooh, on their on their. Then, now now the giants and jets who we thought the beginning season. So the jets. So let's talk about first of while the elephant in the room, the injuries obviously bay injury to the giants saquon Barkley torn. AC. Now out for the year we of course, wish in the best in Sp. Recovery. but at the same time planning as the bears Metro Bisky laughing you know the butt of a lot of jokes last year. And they can't get it done but the jets really topped the cake. Because, the forty niners lost four of five starters. Yes four quarterback running backs, receivers, divas, players, I mean everybody I think they'll powers waterboy and they got hurt also. and. The jet still could not get it done not only lost. You know Bell last week they lost the bucks old receiver this week. Sean Perriman Yep, which is sad because he went to the jets precipitated shot to shine and gets hurt but the jets are just not good and that's why I said billy down in I. Hope he doesn't become the next atom gays because I think Adam Gates is a great coordinator. But when it comes to being a head coach. It just might not be forum it could be like Joe Philbin. Yes. Was a great coordinator for Green Bay in went to you went to Miami. The. Yeah it's a different role that you have to. Assume with much more larger responsibilities. Now. Sometimes. But. So those are the two teams right now we're on the panic button manual. The forty nine because they actually one with out there the all the injured players but the one team that we are hitting the panic button for is the Minnesota Vikings. Throw your fantasy football numbers right out the window. As her cousins. Shows again practice time. Not Worth. Prime time. The money that they gave him. He had a whopping. Nineteen Point Three Zero Fan points this Sunday against the thirty second ranked defense currently. One hundred thirteen yards three interceptions sacked three times. The NASCAR. Vike fans out there and I do apologize and mean this satirically. But. Because I don't. I'll. Say. DOC, don't confidence. Our consumer confidence not from my team as he was never on my team, not even on the auto draft. But he has been dropped. he's been dropped from a hat number. It was like ninety percent of teams on ESPN. Fancy. It was pretty terrible ally pretty terrible. That's outside of the people who got hurt. Right week one, it wasn't terrible. I don't blame you. He had ninety eight points the first week he was projected to have ninety eight point. So he kind of hit it but to have met teen points versus the number thirty, two, the last rank. It's it's pathetic. Actually I mean. Not. there. I got there. But those are the three teams, giants, the jets, the Vikings, that teams that, hey, you might WanNa, call your your friends and make sure that they're doing. Okay because. As I which tradition right now to the panthers. Myself. In a winning effort. was ready to retire from watching football. So. Twenty. One nothing and I'm like. I can't do this anymore. You know because I know that we should have been up. Thirty five nothing YEP. And I'm looking on my okay. They scored they scored again and then as a as a fantasy owner of Christian McCaffrey I'm like, shut him down but let them score at the same time. That actually very dave. I. Don't even know vastly load of Thr- auto I just stink. Day just got completely complacent. Somebody said they ran out of gas and I said we definitely had to stop are we had to make a pit stop somewhere and guess gas game from Leonard Fournette. Yes who you we both said at the beginning of the season. Great pickup four bucks. And I believe you said because you have the pulse of Bucks Nation. Sure that the fans the people now under for net. To be the featured back. Of The buccaneers. Do feel about that. I mean they were turned on Roggio let the right and and granted. I, don't believe wholeheartedly in the entire offense align But what the cut that I saw I would say limit for net. I mean it looked really good and I hate the fact that. Number. One Roggio who? Is Fast I. Mean He scored the for such down he looked at it I think his confidence might have been shot after he fumbled exchange with Brady earlier game. Then later on in a game. lesean McCoy drops a touchdown in the end zone. So at that particular time to running backs of messed up so All that people see now. Is Leonard for net gains. Where everybody else has got nothing but loss Yup. So easy for them to just say a Leonard Fournette should be. The Guy? You know like he should be the guy, give it to them. Don't hold back. The last game of the season leave no doubt leave. No doubt Yeah. That's pretty much what is as books panthers? Ray Game for Teddy Bridgewater. Thought. No touchdowns but really lightness up. Of the bucks. Still. Have Room for improvement. It's only this is only the second week. I'm. Not. Ambulance, let's get. Dusk this game out of the way. One Oh, I'm going to go a different game. AM feeling. I'm feeling it now. The Green Bay packers, this is the Detroit Lions and my Rhinebeck Ladies and gentlemen my running back. Air Joe Aaron Jones. Eighteen carry us? One hundred sixty eight yards, two touchdowns or receptions sixty eight yards one touchdown, my guy. Was Ball League. Absolutely. It was the Aaron Jones show. I love the hands down Aaron. Jones. Show the packers now have a running game folks. He's been there and that's the thing. That's crazy. That's. The thing crazy. They went out and drafted a running back. Aaron Jones has been really really dominant if says. They've had a lot of injuries. Yup. They've done a lot of different things but he showed him yesterday. The ball to me. Given ball he want the ball. Sit down any. But I mean. So the packers look pretty legit I mean we can. We can honestly say they look like the best team in the NFC. After, two weeks. Hands down. Now. They really look good Aaron Rodgers. These proven around. He's like you know join love you're GonNa stay right on the bench. So, they're like the best. In opinion and like no one, a one B is definitely the Seattle seahawks. Year because Russell always plays well and I. Think we talked about this last year I think I told you I said, you know I really felt like he needed to be the MVP candidate you know race. But you know. Big Trust was playing so well. Yup That you know you really can't do anything about that. But wrestle really always does very well mean it's just it's hard now to go against the mahomes the you know all these the plane come out of nowhere. align. Exactly and I mean speaking of Mahomes we might as well. Just that game now says I just mentioned it here chiefs, risks, chargers, mahomes, versus tyrod. Wait. Now, tyrod just in Herbert Young Rookie E. Out of Oregon, getting the nod as tyrod hurt yet again. Shame. It's a shame. And how apropos that this is exactly similar to what happened two seasons ago. When tyrod was the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Who? It's ingestion bird bold out. He really did and I'm I'm surprised people haven't picked him up but I guess they WANNA see because They're stay still saying tyrod is the starter so he's not the starter. Is that. He's Doc He's on starter. And understand what they're saying. I'm telling you it is. He's not start anymore either. He lost his job again this morning he didn't lose his job man as saying. Yeah. We're going to wait and see. But. Speaking of losing jobs. I think now is the time. To, talk, about. Boys. Probably one of the dumbest things. I've ever seen Yup in a football game Yup happened with. Forty five or fifty seconds left in fourth quarter. Kicker lines up went on side kick. He doesn't put it on T. he just puts it sideways. Taps the side of it. It spins like teenagers playing spin the bottle. Caps but sure know all the players sitting around waiting to see who gets to kiss the girl. And nobody touches it guy nobody touches the don't touch this bottle. And they let it go ten yards and yet. And the watch the cowboys jump on this ball. I immediately said Those are the Falcons. Yeah. That's pretty much a summary of. The Falcons right there folks. That's pretty much the beginning of then right there. Bay Place incredible the first three quarters I believe. Yeah. They were up thirty, nine thirty in the fourth quarter with two minutes remaining Yup, you know one minute remaining there up. Daily Hat Tom Davis thirty nine to ten. Matt Ryan. Or touchdowns for. You know none of them of course to Julio. Jones. touchdowns. But four touchdowns and. This guy. These guys. Let them come back. And I'm just like. My goodness. but. I don't know. I think in this situation. And I hate this but. It might be time for them to switch coach shoes I I like Dan Quinn now Steph coaches, Joe I. It's time. It's time. It's time for new coach. Tom. And we didn't talk about. The coaches beyond the Hudson talk about teams but you know you got gangrene got Adam gays and obviously you're gonNA. Get Saddam. Because he he loves the hot seat. Thrives on it. You know. Yeah. But you also have to look at a map. Patricia, who's had no success Yup. You know in. In Detroit a patriots. Two Point Zero. Minus Five. So. We have a whole bunch of cowboy fans celebrating. Left and right people are calling this the greatest comeback. In history. Now. There was history. That took place. But I feel like people taking this win. A too far. Gets more of the Falcons losing it. Yes. It's not even more of it was the falcons losing it. Come on guys. Stop It. Matt Ryan was torching the cowboys Don't get me wrong and I'm not going to I'm going to say this. Show that he should be. Well he's going to show, he needs to be paid every single game of the season bike. bawled out like we know we know that that that can bowl out. That's not the issue. The issue is, can he pulled out to equate to wins? That for cowboys. Fans of these. Does that are? SMART. Equal to a deep playoff run. Versus just winning the trash NFC east. Actually for a lot now. To. Only give bounce in the first round stop it alive man you're talking about. Which is why I said? Smart Dallas Cowboys fans. I'm not touching that one. That's why trinity with that. That's not going anywhere. We over here nobody lose their minds regular season game a regular season. And we to we? Blasphemous. You did it way better than? Do that for now. passed. This but. I don't know those are the highlight of the Games we're going to go over this week I I don't know by the cowboys. I don't know about the chargers in tyrod. All I know is that. The Butts gotta you'd better I'm quitting football. They heard a folks. You heard here folks and I will keep doc honest about it too because. So let's he said that I'm finished with football. The watching like huck. Your He. I'm via. Casual van. Please don't become cantor fan please don't. Are. GonNa follow the teams signing transactions. Could be sitting there just reacting to the means and. Look about sworn. They must have played. Great. This will be the last season of debate. I'll be going based off a frigging. media news story. By booger. McFarland. Man. The cowboys the Cowboy score forty points. And the Falcons only got thirty, thirty nine. So that means the cowboys won this game. Exactly that's that's all it means Cowboys. have. been. Blown out. Now who know there was? They were on but let's take a quick break. Come back with a minute drill right after this. And we're back every week. We like do what's called V two minute drill where we go over stories and headlines that we didn't get a chance to cover during the show I. Last week, we did talk about, Dion Sanders being a candidate for Jackson state as the new head coach. This week he was announced as the new head coach of Jackson, State University a lot of reports come out that there have been some NFL assistant coaches but he has denied those rumors breath. The Rams are dropping dimes and I mean did narrows as they signed Robert Woods to a sixty five million dollars extension that include thirty, two million guaranteed at a maximum value of sixty, eight, million dollars that doc. Sad news coming on. Monday right before the book actually Sunday, right before the football game as James Wind. Running back of the New England patriots found out that his parents were any car accident unfortunate killing his father and leaving his mother in critical condition we definitely wish out the definitely WanNa offer condolences to James Wide. And wish his mother, a speedy recovery will be praying for them. As we wait for additional news on her status currently, she's a critic condition. My with that, we will in today's show. 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Talkin' The Star: Addressing Concerns For The 1-2 Dallas Cowboys

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Talkin' The Star: Addressing Concerns For The 1-2 Dallas Cowboys

"What's up. This is the talk in the star podcast. I'm your host Connor Livesey. You could find me on Twitter at Connor NFL draft. I'm here with my co host today, coal, Patterson. You can find him on Twitter at co, l Patterson other co hosts, Dalton Miller. You can find him on Twitter at Cowboys. Underscore DM. What's up today guys. So. I know we're not for not as excited this week unfortunately. But before we get to Cowboys football, Dalton. I'm hunting the good stuff man trying to be positive. I had my two days to be negative Sunday night all day Monday. And after watching the the all twenty two and getting all the gifts up late last night, all the all the negativity is is gone. After this podcast today. Good. Yeah, I, I wish I could say I was going to be there with you. We'll see. We'll see. I ended the last part being super positive. Maybe. The Cowboys lost another. I wanna call it a heartbreaker but it wasn't really heartbreaker because it felt like after a big play in the first quarter there that was called back touchdown. That was called back like they were never in that game anymore. Twenty four thirteen loss on the road at century league filled NCI battle Cowboys finish finished with thirteen points scoring. Their only touchdown of the game in the fourth quarter on a tape on Austin shuffled pass. But other than that it was a 'nother dreadful day for the offense. Maybe even worse than what we saw in week one against the Panthers Dak Prescott finished nineteen thirty four one hundred sixty eight yards. One touchdown to interceptions Zeke Elliott. Finish sixteen carries one hundred twenty seven yards averaging seven point nine yards per carry. And then Jeff Suame led the Cowboys in receiving, unfortunately with five or sections and forty seven yard. Words, and the defense really couldn't get any pressure on Russell Wilson due to the game plan. And that's where we got through this point where we're at now. So we're going to review the game. A thought we could start off talking about the offense seeing is that's the the hot topic right now. So I wanted to dive in the offense with Dalton and kinda just ask him what he would. He saw what he liked, what he didn't like in kind of just get. Let's get a review this game for the guys who for the people listening who maybe either didn't watch it or getting one watch it and want to know what happened, what's offense and pretty much that's. I'm confused by that. No. So obviously I've been pretty critical of back Prescott so far this year, and I said it today. I don't think that he played all that terrible relatively this week, the there were a couple plays that he left out on the field that's going to be every week with him. That's just his his style of play. He tries to be turnover of verse. He doesn't wanna take the shot that might lead to the turnover. Now later in the game he had to, he had to start making plays, you know, Conard I talked about this at a little bit of length today about that that passed to lake jar, win on what looked to be a y option route there and actors kinda made a bad throw. He threw it to where it looked like he thought, Blake, John. Our would just turn and and plant and come straight back to the ball instead of finding the open spot zone. But I mean the the offense of line can run block now a. Didn't block Bobby Wagner for ninety percent of the game. But other than that, one man while run blocking the, they did a good job and Zeke had a good day running the football. And this game could be totally different if and this is a deep to play. But right at the beginning of the game with Tyrone Crawford. If that play isn't called a roughing, the passer, we get the ball around our own forty yard line at worse, and then we're playing field position game that is in our favor instead of getting the ball at our fifteen yard line. And that makes a big difference with this offense at wants to pound the ball. But. The doesn't look all that explosive at at least at the beginning of games. I mean, he's always been somebody who gets going as the game goes on, kind of wears down defense. But man, there were a couple of times when he just kinda lost his footing. He obviously had the spatial awareness snafu there where he ran out of bounce. And that's another thing that that's another thing. Be out of the game because he took. He took four points off the board right there. I mean, they kick a Bill go, and you know, Maher vich as Jerry would say. Man, he scary when he kicks the ball because it just straight. I mean, just that hydro all that he hits is I thought he was wide right on both of its kicks, but. The offense, just anemic, and that's all there is to it. Yeah, in wanted to. So I went through today and kind of chart Zeke Elliott's stats by quarter and just kind of run through it real quick. In the first quarter Zeke Elliott's had fifteen carries forty seven yards. Three point one yards per carry. Zero touchdowns two first downs, the second quarter, and this is all three games. Zeke. Elliot had tin. Carey sixty two yards of six point two yards per carry. Zero touchdowns zero first downs as Elliott's. Third quarter stays holed up. He's averaging six point two yard to carry, and he doesn't have a first doesn't. Zeke Elliott scurry. That's three games in the third quarter. Ten carries fifty seven yards. Five point seven yards per carry zero touchdowns two first downs and Zico Elliott's fourth quarter stats through three games. Thirteen carries a hundred eight yards. Eight point three yards per carries two touchdowns and seven first downs. So kind of what you said, you know, it takes a while to get going. Those stats kinda show in those quarter-by-quarter breakdowns. But I I really agreed with the first thing you said is, you know, kind of coming out of that game. You're like, gosh, doc played bad and I was kinda coming away from it. Like, man, I didn't think he struggled that bad, but he didn't play great either. Obviously, going back and watching the tape. He didn't play great, but I didn't think he played his bad as summer making it out to be after that game. Because when you look at it, he was nineteen thirty four one hundred sixty eight yards. A touchdown to interceptions. The first interception was a, you know. Consider that fumble in my book. Yeah, lands in somebody's hands. But you know looking at it, it should have been a really twenty one for thirty four two hundred yards. Two touchdowns interceptions day. Not even to one interception. That's only side obviously. That's all this situation. Exactly. Exactly. Get your overall. You're just just, I feel like he did enough in that game. And maybe you could say he didn't do enough bad in that game to not lose that game. It was just the mistakes by Elliott. It was the just dome no discipline play from this team and it's just it gets exhausting the watch, especially going back on the film and that's where I was going to go with coal and kind of see if he saw anything different than what me Dalton saw. Did you see anything that maybe you know, obviously we keep hearing the word execution, and I think that that has a big role in it, but outside of execution, did you see anything that just stood out to you that just didn't or did work. I agree with you all on the same lines. How Amine like Dak he won't take the risky show. He won't take a pass, the might resort intercession, even even if it could resort in touchdown. But yeah, he didn't play terrible feel like the reaction is mainly Justin fans to being frustrated with not only just him, but with play calling with the west. Several of his games were Bayern. I mean, he is a quarterback. Some he is going take responsibility. I don't think one hundred percents on him, but he certainly does have to improve his play on Florida's what I saw him on. Just I'm still just can't wrap my mind around wide. They refused to be more creative. Why won't they. Do things is gonna help deck succeed. I mentioned on Twitter earlier today we can talk about Dako Ali want how bad he hasn't helped baddie as played in certain games during moments. But I mean in some pointing this staff knows what they have in deck, they know whether in gate with him. So why don't they try to. Like, why don't they play string? So I don't. They call place gonna get him out out of the pocket throwing on Royan. Why don't they call these by? We were talking about earlier. On. About route stage routes. It tastes row after hit drafter, hey, trail, comeback crowds. I don't understand it. ONA get pay. Ananta net. I love the you kinda, you brought up a little good segue there because while I don't think doc Prescott is an elite quarterback, I really don't even think he's a super great quarterback. I think he's a good to sleep team top twelve quarterback probably fifteen like he's. They pack in this situation. He's in, he's middle, the Pat, you and it's not looking great arrows pointing up at the middle of the pack. It's kinda point down at this point in and you kind of look at it and you go, man, I just you see so many examples of players. You know, Jared Goff in LA where first year this look like Jared Goff. He was hesitant. He had no intimation. He didn't have confidence in his throes in his arms and his team head coach got removed. A new coach came in with a better staff, and now he looks like, you know, I still don't think he's a elite quarterback, but he looks like a very good quarterback, and that's all I wanna see with Dan because we have seen quite good, and I wonder what systems he could fit into that would. You know, pull out his strengths uses strength, kind of what we see in places like Elway Philadelphia. New England, Kansas City, even even Tampa Bay right now, like game plan is obviously Patrie. Yeah, fits different quarterback. He's kind of a big shot kind of quarterback who takes those big shots, but that's what they do. Even if they result in interceptions even if they result in horrible passes they're taking those shots almost every series and I do think into their playing often. Yeah, if you get him in a system, whether it's here, whether somewhere else he can be a successful enough quarterback, we just gotta figure out what that system is and who's going to run that system. Completely agree with like, I don't think I think we can all agree based Patrick's now. Tall, caliber quarterback. I mean, ease journeyman for Eason, but right now in the boat buccaneers system for in this making him look like in a league quarterback. I mean, I knows only three games, but he's putting numbers and guess tags not play that style eight or, but it's just the theory like three use things system is going to get the best out of him. So I just Dallas non chart to do the same with deck in RJ show. The other day from the same thing you can think Dax about quarterback. You might not want him as the guy, but you do have to agree that they're not. I do not imply new strain or not letting him do we does his best. I do think like system like maybe care, Ana, maybe Kansas City or even in the eagles some systems allow quarterbacks to run be on the move. Redefine I think the current RPO's thinks of that nature read options. I think. Doc would thrive in a system like that while we don't implement as many as we like I have. No, I'd. Don't worry. Do you think his system is what do you think his scheme is where he's going to find his best fit? What do you think? I mean, because again, like Cole said, I feel like it's RPO it's, you know, play action. It's running twenty college and he in college. He ran system. One of the best quarterbacks in college, but still he thrived that just don't. What do you think like, where do you see him having the most success. Well, I mean, it's it's definitely not going to be with this coaching staff. I think that's pretty abundantly clear by now. The the biggest issue is that we know what he does well, and they're trying to fit a square peg around whole because they're trying to see if he can be a. A franchise quarterback in in the traditional sense like he's gonna last, not somebody who's getting, you know, eight to twelve carries a game, not somebody running the zone Reed. Somebody who's going to be able to drop pass or drop back into liver balls and he is just so uncomfortable playing that style football. It's just not what he does. He has zero trust in this offense. Right now you can tell by the way things are going, he doesn't trust what he sees out there on the field. I must his receivers and I'll tell you what, after the last two years, all those tiff drop interceptions that happened last year had taken a toll on him. Not to mention the fact that a journeyman somebody who yes was a first round pick, but was not known to be a pass. Rusher sacked him six times by himself. Yeah. And I think that Roque him and not bad day ever get it back but broke him to where at this point he doesn't trust this offense as it is constructed right now, and that's how I feel like he is not playing as with as much bravado as he did when he was a rookie and I saw it in spurts during the giants game. But for the most part, it's not here now row quick real quick. I just wanna bring up digiorno that is equally is legally rusher us tied for. Yeah, which is. Yeah, before insane. Right. Because he is forty eight forty eight carries and three games. He's touching the ball sixteen times a game on the ground. What's more. What's more surprising. Ten, rushing Breda. Yeah, just like we all we all expect it. Yeah. Carrie. I mean that. The thing that that irks me the most is that you need to with that Prescott run ten eleven personnel spread out the field. Let there be less traffic on the inside. Spread it out. Let him get some easy throws over the middle. The biggest issue with this offense isn't any of the players. It's the fact that the routes consist of one route two route three route four route that is it flats. COMEX slant pearls and you know as well. But that comes with Pearl. There is new thing that is moving east west or north south. You know, there are no out routes. There are no drags. There are no quarters. Poster flies. There is nothing. That is going towards the end zone, you know, what's what's, what team we did even bring up that his done. They didn't do it last week. But in weeks past is Jacksonville, they have a limited quarterback, who is it all that accurate all the time. But what they do is when they get in these certain situations on third downs, or they have to convert a play, they run these mesh concepts where they put d. Westbrook and Keenan coal in the slot, and they throw nine routes on the outside and then run them on shallow crossers, whether picking the linebackers and the Cornerbacks that are covering them, and then they throw it through nineteen. Yards after the catch. Connor. That's a legal. You can't. The league with that mesh concept. It doesn't even have to be like a true pick route. It's just jamming up the middle of the field with defenders trying to cover two guys who are running right past each other, and it's just that's confusing for defense as we've seen Dallas get burned with that in the past. And that's one of creativity, New England's bread and butters plays. It's been Jacksonville's bread and butter and like we're talking about all juicy with those receivers are either non routes and they hitches or curls the biggest land with that. The biggest issue is that they get, they get locked up because you're outside wide receivers. There are no bunch formations that are no tight split formations with receivers to allow them to run both ways east and west. No, you have at all times almost a wide receiver on the right boundary and a wide receiver on the left boundary. They can't. Move anywhere. They can only go inside or g. And that's what I talk about. When I talk about creativity with his offense. I don't need to see eight thousand reverses and wide receiver passes and and that kind of stuff. I just want to see you run a bunch formation with a pick route. We. Again, and that's where I'm right there with you. Like I don't wanna see flea flickers and you know, double reverse. And I just wanna see, like you said, I wanna see a bunch formation. I wanna see, you know, some pick plays a mesh constant offense. I mean, there's no point running a flea flicker. I mean, he just get the ball back and then check it back down to the candidates or that or with what we've seen recently teakwood trip over his feet and fumble or something. But. It was. It was a rough game to watch. Like I said, if I had to put him beside each other, I'd say that that one was more worse than the week, one loss to Carolina all I, they lost to a bad team. That's the team isn't very good. Exactly. The thing that we're gonna talk about when we come back from this break is some of the concerns we have with this coaching staff, and I feel like you lost this game because the Seattle Seahawks coaching staff came into this week saying, how can we beat the Cowboys? And that was to get the ball out quick to control the clock to play zone, coverage, enforce the ball to the middle of the field, and then come up and make the tackle, and they got out coach, they got outplayed. They got out executed, but they most importantly got out coached. We're gonna come back from this break and talk about some of the concerns we have with this football team moving forward. We'll be right back. We're back on talking to star. This is the official podcast of blogging. The boys in the vox media platform. We wanna give big shot out to blogging the boys. You can find my work on blogging. The boys you can find Kohl's, work on blogging. The boys Daunton does some podcasts work with blogging the boys Espy nation of vox media. So we want to give them a huge shot out for hosting this podcast, put publishing force every week, getting it out there you guys to listen to. So thanks again bogging the boys Espy nation, vox media. You guys are doing a great job. We're gonna dive right into some of the concerns we have with this team moving forward. We left the break coming back talking about how we felt at least I felt like this team got out coach. We saw the defense have some struggles, but the struggles weren't necessarily big struggles. It was just the quarterback, the offense coordinator. They, they game plan for. What the Cowboys do best and that's get after the quarterback. They beat the blitz with quick out rouse with quick slants across the middle right over those blitzing linebackers heads, and it wasn't big, big chunk plays, but it was ten yards here fifteen yards here. Then we get down in the red zone and we beat them up the seam and we don't see that from Dallas. We don't see a different game plan, defer different weeks to be different teams. It's the same game plan every week. It seems like with some new wrinkles here and there. But if you watch Seattle the first two weeks and then you watch them last week against the Cowboys look like a completely different team because they were facing a different team with different strength. And that's what I want to dive into now is, where do you see is the biggest concern on the coaching staff? Not the, not the players on the coaching staff is that the offense coordinator? Is it starting at the top of the head coach? Maybe you might have some current surge about the defensive coordinator after last week. You know, not really adjusting to what the Seahawks were. Doing, but I wanted to start off first with coal and asking where his biggest concern is with this coaching stuff. Yeah, for me think it has start with the play coined death. My most concerning thing like no, before our break, we were discussing Dag, nah, playmates streams. Things like that. I mean, as we move forward in the season, we're gonna need address hints civically of all around Dak. One of our colleagues blog him boy, Dan, he wrote nice article today. There's published today on discussing the Cowboys Smith commenced act Prescott at least Prescott in order to save the season in an article, detailed about Scotland hand about gear about decisions that needs to change while somebody that does obviously eight default on debt. I mean. After all yeast one during football, he Sologne making reads making throws, I just like to see better play calling, like Dolly mate chain of we're not asking for reverses. We're not asking for why receiver passes with need a little bit more creativity for sprat running. Creativity is for getting deck out of pocket, making a throws on ROY, making read options using him with his legs, things like that. I like to see that moving forward. I want to see better play calling our wanna see. I don't wanna see you hitch routes. Thirty eight thirty long. I don't wanna see five yard routes. We need a first down in just a matter. Sure. Like. Ted, it kinda seem like the same game plan weekend we go. I mean, I'm sure there's some adjustments here in there, but it doesn't really feel different. This feels very bland. I know it's easy to pile on us. Like cedar play, calling, more creative playcalling we move forward, Dalton, are you on that same boat or you got something different. Oh man, it's it's, it's the offense of scheme. It's the offense coordinator, and I never really dove into it real deep. But I was listening to the radio this morning and when you really dive in to Linda heads resume, like. How good is it? Seriously, like. Pretty good. He's been a part of really bad football teams, and I understand that bad football team can have a good offense. Underhand that, but Kennet what here has shown you at least an interesting. That's a good. That's a good question. Are there any bad teams with a really good offense? Because I can't think when I look at the bottom half of the league, you know, you see teams like buffalo, their offense has been atrocious, you know, I know they put it put up a b. What was that. Maybe Houston, but destroy this week this this year to the buck? Yeah, probably not a great football team by the end of this thing, but. On record. The Steelers put up a bunch of points, Steelers defenses, horrible. Yeah. I don't know if these teams can sustain winds and I'll tell you what right now. It doesn't look like. I mean, I know the patriots. They'll turn it around and win twelve games, but they don't look all that. Great. Yeah. No, I mean, I, I'm with you. I just I never really. Like, I guess, never asked that question is. His lions teams put up points but couldn't win games. Was he a part of the own sixteen game the own sixteen season? He was head coach, none of believe. Nice. That's. Want here and boys. Say we will in calling place. Yeah, I guess just my frustration man is you saw Brian Schottenheimer go into this week and know that his often. So one was not capable of walking this Cowboys defensive front. So what did he do all of his routes? Almost all of his routes were quick breaking routes. They were middle the field because he knew they were going to be bringing blitzes. They were quick out routes to the to the running backs to Tyler Lockett. And then they took that two or three shots throughout the game. And that's kinda what beat you in. That doesn't like I wanna see the cow when the Cowboys take on the lion's this week, they should know that that lines pass rush isn't very good. They should know that the lion's strength is their secondary. So run like I, I mean, this sounds crazy because obviously that's what we think their identity is, but they should run the hell out of the football. This weekend, like they should run it right at the cowboy at the lions defensive front and linebackers because dairy sleighs a ball hawk, you know, they have so many good players in that secondary for the lions that the last thing we need to be doing is going out letting decks stand in the pocket survey. The field, you know, throw with anticipation that is not what we need. We don't want that. That is that is feeding into the lines defensive strengths and like Risyad all I felt like the weakness was their Cornerbacks in. You could beat them with some slug owes some post routes. Some, you know, more slants more than the two or three through because they aren't great sticky cover corners. But we only saw two or three slants throughout the game. And most everything else was just comebacks and hitches. And that's just so easy to defend. Don't threaten the visits back into the secondary. Totally very. We saw. Brady he tested Detroit Too. Blind secondary. He didn't really have much excess dairy sleigh. Like you mentioned, he's a baulky recorded near -ception Eissa game. He on the following drive at a nice deflection so like, yes, we need to be running the ball. We need to use the community. He leaves league in rushing. He's are streamed through. I hope that's put the game plan b. Yeah, I hope to Jerry talk today on the radio one. Oh, five, three. The fan was shot in RJ and of course he's not gonna come out and say what he truly feels, but his comments made it seem like nothing was really going to change. They were just hoping to get better. And that's what we kinda took away from his ten or fifteen minutes with Sean RJ don't know your big fan of the Sean and RJ show wooded. You take away from that interview with Jerry Jones because listen to it from my personal perspective, it didn't sound like there was going to be much change. There wasn't a change in playcalling wasn't going to be a change in real scheme or creativity. It was going to be play action. It was going to be a few RPO's here and there and that was it. They wanna be better. Did you get any other from that. Yes. So I wasn't around when wait got fired in twenty ten I wasn't here. So always listening to Jerry Jones on the regular hell I was they junior or I guess I would have been a senior at that point in high school, but. I do know that Jeff skin Wade today said, this is exactly how Jerry sounded right before he fired Wade. I don't know if that's what's going on here, but. That gave me a little bit of hope and you never want to see somebody get fired. But if they're not doing a good enough job, they need to be. And I think that right now he still thinks that everything is okay guarantee you even if we win this game next week, if we go down to Houston and rope a stinker against an and four or a win three or one and three team. He's not going to have that. That will be unacceptable. That Houston game is important to him. If we lose that game. If we lose it convincingly, if our offense looks bad. Again, these next two weeks. I bet there will be changes. I don't know if Garrett will be gone. I'm almost to the point where I think might be around into Stephen goes, I agree. But from what I've heard, Linda Han. Even as the reason to have around and I'm waiting for Jerry to get fed up with it. Tennessee, the traction. Easy a pile on, but I don't interaction with Stephen. NIA. I've been pretty vocal about my. Frustrations, my my feelings toward Stephen Jones, and they've never been positive of always thought that he was not a good personnel guy. I don't think he handles the media. Well, I don't think he really knows the ins and outs of how to build an NFL team. I think he thinks, oh, as long as we draft well, our team will be good, and that's just not how you win today's football. And I've been pretty vocal about that, and I kind of always kind of got tore up about it because people are you kidding me like, have you seen their draft classes? And while I agree like they've been a pretty good drafting team the last few years you have to do more than draft like the best team in the league right now is the Rams. They drought? Well, they've spent a ton of money spent money on soon on Brandin cooks. Offer aggressive and Marcus Peters. A keep Talil like they aren't going to settle for average play from their draft picks for three years until they finally in that fourth year start playing really good, and that's not what they're gonna do, and I want I want to bring something up real quick. We have drafted. Well. But every draft that we've bought into. We've felt good about it because of the depth at the positions of need for this football team the year that we got Cheeto and join Lewis good corner class. Good defensive end class we got taco people wanted, you know. People wanted what, whatever. What good classes for what we need in in the draft. What do we need this upcoming year receivers tied ins, maybe her back. Yeah. Has what. The big is back this year. Tight ends from what I'm hearing is a very good group so far. So yeah, we've drafted well, but guess what? It's been pretty damn easy because there's good talent in these classes that were choosing from. Yeah, it's I kind of look at it like they've, I don't want people to take this me same. They haven't drafted well because they have. But you look at last year's GRA draft class. I'm not calling taco Charleston a bus. That is not what I'm saying exactly. Played pretty well played. Well, he didn't have a good game last week, but the first two games, I thought he was really good, but he's not a player that you're like, super, super excited about, you know, then you go to should obey who this year. He looks like stood last year. He barely played many kind of ups and downs when he did play Jordan, Lewis isn't playing on the field third round pick. He's at top one hundred pick. I get that he's getting out. Played by Anthony Brown. But if you're third round pick isn't able to see the field. That's an issue. You either spin a premium, pick on a player that you get indeed, or you spent that pick on a player who isn't good enough to see the field. And you know sometimes it's just bad luck with that where you do have Anthony Brown who's been playing out of his mind, but the same time, like if you're not playing some packages were Jordan Lewis. If he isn't showing that he's talented enough to get on the field and certain packages, there's something wrong there like and I think Lewis was the most talented corner on the team other than a woozy coming into this year. So I don't know what's going. He's not performing well in practice, obviously had a rough training camp and preseason, but like you can't have top one hundred pictures not playing on your on your team. That's just unacceptable. My opinion. But you know, I, I don't know. I look at this year, you know, late and Vandereycken I thought played well. Against the Seahawks last week. He he came in really good. He he got some bad place to that on ninety one. You know, the touchstone rushing touchdown from Chris Carson. It was all on. I'm wondering about those place specifically because those were zone reads, and it looked like he was following. Russell Wilson? He did that a couple times game where he was the one following Russ on the zone reads, and then trying to get back to the ball only after he knew that that rust didn't have it. Now. It's it's tough sometimes to to see through the scrum and see he's got the football or not. And that's to them that some he'll get better at. I still wanna see him just be more physical. Like I thought he was really, and I know people probably listening to me be like, oh my God, how you bashing put great. I'm not bashing him like he played good, especially to the standards that I set for them, but I'm not going to sit here like pro football focus has read it as the best rookie linebacker. And that's just not true. Like. Yeah. I mean, again, like he's playing good. He played good against the giants coming up in wrapping up saquon Barkley. He played good this weekend, more snaps with Sean legal down with injury, and that's kind of what I wanted to get through next. We harped on the concerns for a while. I, I don't think it's any secret with the concerns are, but we did want to and half the talk about it. But we got some more concerns that we need to talk about. Those are injury concerns, Sean Lee, banged up his other hamstring that was injured last week. So he now has to injured him strings. He's probably going to be out for three to four weeks is what I'm hearing. Which a real agreement that this is the best. We felt about that in the last six years or so with which. Without a doubt. Yeah. I, I think it's safe to say that on draft night, all three of us probably wanted a different player. It looks like they might have made the right decision on draft night. They drafted him. They drafted for knee knowing that they would need the player and they one thousand percent needed the player, and we're not even a month into the season yet. So, and that's what that's what I think. Because we we were on on the draft when it happened and you were very critical of the pick, and I didn't love the pick, but I understood why they did it because they had the foresight to to know that Sean Lee wasn't gonna play sixteen games. And at that point we didn't really know what to expect from Jalen Smith either. Yeah. And you might actually start on the football team ended up not being that way because Jalen look pretty good, but I thought the LV looked better than Jalen in this past game. I was outside the stadium on draft night and you can tell it everybody was pretty disappointed when finished with announced the pig and I do count my so's one of those included. But yeah, I made the smartest is know. We do have to get on abandoned Daryl Easter, three games. He did play pretty well in he. I believe he had a team high. Attack was against c- yards ITO strongly for most total tackles. He is playing pretty well here. Treatment just take the shot at the guy the Joe here, that on the broadcast. Not sure if I did. Sure to time up the radio broadcast with the TV. So I don't have to listen to the TV out much. Rather listen to babe and Email, brat. He made her tackle, and Troy goes, Yup. It's pretty easy to make tackle seven yards past the line of scrimmage, and I was just like, Ouch. But. So a few more, you know, we did want to run through the Cowboys. Did sign Koran redid defensive tackle that spent training camp in a few weeks of training camp preseason with the team, the corresponding move there was they place Dato Jones on I r with the knee injury. He did come back last week. I thought he played pretty well in the limited snaps, but I don't know if it's something reactivated or just reinjured something, but he is on. I r Daytona Jones is on. I r corron read was signed in g is going to be on the roster after performing pretty well. In the last preseason game, we're going to take one more short break comeback, and we have a question that we got a VR Twitter page. You can follow the podcast on Twitter at talk in the star, and I'll probably take us a while to answer questions. So we're gonna take a brief break, come right back and dig into this last question. On the last segment, we'll be right back. And we're back on the talking. The star podcast published by blogging, the boys dot com also by vox media, Espy nation. Thank you guys so much for doing this for us. We hope that you guys are enjoying the podcast. This are sick at doing it. So are. Very excited to get it underway out to you. Guys is ears to listen to probably hoping that you guys continue to listen even though the season isn't going as planned. I'm your host Connor lives. You can follow me on Twitter at Connor in full draft. My co host our coal Patterson. You can find him on Twitter at Cole, l Patterson and don't Giller. You can find him on Twitter at Cowboys. Underscore DP him. We got a fan question. We got a couple of time for one, and this one was a really good question by Amos Howard. You can follow him on Twitter at n. y. k. every day the question was. What realistic moves would you make to fix this offense? And if there is one move this off, this front office should not have made during the offseason, which is it. So it's a two part question. We're gonna come to a combined answer on both of these just so it because it is pregnant, take a few minutes, but we'll start with what realistic moves. Would you make to fix this offense? What are you guys got for that? That's that's. That's a very good question because we do all feel like something has to be done. Is it letting Garrett call please? Is it making a trade for receiver? Is it changing? Just the play calling on a together? What do you think I'll start it off with Dalton? Yeah. I mean, I think in the short terms, it would be to simplify, actually simplify the offense and by CLYDE. Powered child zone region, RPO offense. Give him easy reads if the linebacker sits than you can handle all if he comes forward and flows with the football, do you drop in his face? I mean, the these receivers have shown that they can run slants now they have to catch them and not drop them in the DB's hands. But that's something that you can do. Like I've I've said a million times spread out the field. If you spread out the field, you give Zeke more running lanes because more people are outside of the box. There's less that can go wrong when you're blocking take three title. Yeah, take three tight ends off of the day. And then in the long term, you know, for the front office stuff, get rid of the head coach and offense coordinator right now elevate Sanjay LOL offense coordinator, just just do it. I mean, I and elevate crisper chard to head coach, keep merit. Elliot's defensive coordinator. He'll in quotations there and build from there for the rest of the year. And let's see how it goes. If your quarterback still isn't very good, then guess what you trade some draft capital. If you're not bad enough to be a top, pick for a quarterback and you go get your quarterback, you go, get Herbert, you go get Haskins and then guess what you can pack together a couple more picks and move into the second. And I guarantee you there will still be a developmental x. wide receiver that you can pick up 'cause you need weapons. Coal, you got anything different. Other than that, I mean, that was that was pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Using. Anything else. Anything else? I tend to agree with wood on savory everything he said to be on. So I think it short term does need to dish disclaim to change. I mean, it's not gonna work with Dag in the all they want to run or the. They. After on whatever the case is changes and play calling changes and what they do. Personnel wise, I say not having three titans on this. They needed to call a modern offense. Spread field out, leads Zeke. The guy often just boo around. Him. He let him have running lanes, don't. I mean, if you're gonna have to retire names Chopin in the formation that's gonna bring nine people in the bars just right there. I mean, especially threat. None of this hardens early big threats to catch the ball more than a couple of yards or be dren passing game show. I feel like the most logical thing would be to spread it out. I'm not saying chunk ball everywhere like chiefs, but. Just spread the formations allied do some RPO seeing dad Lehem used his legs, things of that nature in. I do almost completely agree with on. Our life c. restores head coach sometime in the near future. Like see Laois office coordinator, think he made really good points in regarding those two cool. In the second part of that question was if there is one move to this, if there's one move this front office should not have made during the offseason, which is it? I'm gonna start that off. I have not been impressed with Paul Alexander whatsoever. I think offense his look about as bad as it his looked in recent years. You know, it's just I feel like tyrants plan is worse. Football Williams's haven't is up and downs. Joe loonies doing okay, Zack Martin's even getting beat here and there. We're not used to seeing that at all. And then I'll Collins struggling a bit so softens the line is not what it used to be in even last year before tire went out. Offense align was still really good in it. It hasn't been that way it his struggled in pass blocking its. Been okay and run blocking Dalton, talked about earlier were still misidentifying, you know, Mike linebackers were still leaving people on, and that's not okay. And I just don't know if it's the coach or what, but it's the same players in the result isn't the same. So something's not right. Obviously there without Frederick, but it just doesn't. It seems like it's more than just being out with without Frederick. We're seeing guys lose who don't normally lose. They cheer different technique. Paul Alexander does, and I just don't know if it's benefiting them. Do you guys have a quick one? You can give real quick before we end it. Go ahead real quick. Oh. I agree with Carnera what you say about plug Sandra. I think that is clearing issue. We, I mean, Frederick is his law. I mean him not being there is a pretty big loss. I mean, you can't expect the often wine to regress. I don't know. It's a decision it they should not have made, but the deck friendly thing we is not by. We heard about all off-season. We haven't heard are we haven't seen it come to fruition like we haven't seen anything on the field to some Syrian move that didn't make just a them telling us that that's where we're gonna see. We haven't seen it yet. I agree, Dalton, real quick. You got anything different. I for an offseason move that they shouldn't have made. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with Alexander man. There's feel like people wanted us to say Dez Bryant, and I just don't think this offense looks any different with desma on the field. I think he makes the team any better. I just don't think he's with what they're doing with these receivers with the scheme may be in the red zone. You get a couple more scores despite, you know, the the luck of that fade fallen in, but he's not paying any better routes or getting anymore separation. The what these guys are doing now are completely agree with that. Yeah, it's it's not. It's not as Brian. Yeah. Yeah, I think maybe, but that hasn't really. Yeah. 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Falato on Football: Week 3 Review

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Falato on Football: Week 3 Review

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Personnel coaching the past many other factors now, teams are starting to show themselves, and sadly for big blue nation, our team is not putting desirable product out there on the football field on Sunday for Monday. Terms of week one. Product has the same issues. That the previous regime suffered the offense can't sustain drives. The defense can't get off the field on third down the offense can't stop turning the football over in very unique ways. The defense are missing easy tackle attempts the team loses time of possession battle. The team can't force a turnover on a backup quarterback. The team is out coached out, prepared out willed. The forty niners played the second consecutive one o'clock start game in metlife stadium this time without starting quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo without running backs, Kevin Coleman, Iraqi, moster without a top five pass rusher in the League in Nick Boza without Solomon Thomas de Fort Without Drag Greenlaw. Without their two top quarterbacks and Richard Sherman and Kellaway Spoon Without Deebo. Samuel with no George cadle. Yet It didn't matter. Kyle Shanahan head coach of the forty niners had his way with Joe. Judge Patrick Ram and this New York football team. The niners possessed the ball for just under forty minutes. They ran seventy three frigging place and Kyle Shanahan actually stated after the game that he was tired of calling plays because it's an exhausting action literally. He said that. and. The quote is quote we went on a lot of long drives today. They're better than not scoring, but long drives can get a little bit exhausting specially for me. I don't WanNa. Call that many place. End Quote. Wow The giants defense was being stretched by the horizontal stretch game and the rushing attack. Then they were hit with misdirections and smacked with play action crossers at James. Bradberry even struggled to defend albeit bradberry did have a couple of really nice plays early in his game he is far from the biggest problem. This team he is one of the best players on this team. But it just goes to show you that even the best player is getting exposed by some of these. Great. Coaching staffs and better teams even other beat up. The defense is Tired Ladies and gentlemen. It's ineffective players like Isaac item and Devante downs playing as many snaps as they do will give the offense of vulnerable target to exploit. darnay homes and other one struggled as well. Shanahan, he had a plan to attack the outside portions of grams defense and it worked especially when Graham lined up in the three three, five bear, which was his predominant front and weeks one and two. And of course, I gotTa get to the twenty to really check that and I will. But he just used a Lotta ends around lots of misdirections and around here exotic on their giants had no answer. And poor mistakes like that. Third twenty two it's not gonNA help. The giants will run so many laps in practice. They may all just change their names to Wilson, complying trick or Steve Prefontaine. It's not good. But on tweak for. For this team has to travel to Los Angeles and play Rams team that almost beat the bills at home it probably should've we'll get into that a little bit later. Some really dubious calls in that game towards the end. It's crazy to think to men in this game with the New York giants. So was a sixteen is six game at halftime. Felt like the niners were dominating 'cause they were. After a thirteen play drive though. To open the second half, the giants couldn't finish with six. Only got three next drive. The giants defense couldn't stop Nick Mullins Brennan Kook Jerick McKinnon. The final score of this game thirty, six to nine at home against that beat up team. has a tough pill to swallow. But it is what it is. Let's move on now. To the only fan base that may feel worse than either of the New York football teams, Fan bases, and that is the Atlanta Falcons because of wow. I did not know that this could happen again and I don't even know if I could poke fun at another team because I am a giants fan and somebody who follows the giants intently the holy crap the Falcons did it again. They had a ninety eight percent chance to be the bears like they did last week with the Dallas. Cowboys and they found a way to lose thirty, two, twenty, six after the bears replaced Mitch Trubisky. With some champion. Nick foles who comes in in the second half that they're. Mitch. trubisky throws an interception on the opening drive for the offense of the bears. Nick foles comes in leads a seven play drive down the field. And all sorts of touchdown pass down. Robinson. But it's a great defensive plane ends up being an interception. Bears, get the ball again they punt the ball falcons have a seven play drive missed field goal bears get the ball again, nine play drive turnover on downs. You would think it's over at this point. At this point and land is up by ten they're getting the ball. A third quarter has wound down and yes, there's been a little bit of momentum. For the bears. But Atlanta. Can't do anything to get a yard on their ensuing possession punt. The Ball Nick foles leads a three play fifty, five yard touchdown. Then a five play forty, four yard touchdown. And then. Matt Ryan throws an interception to end the game. When the score of this game. Was Twenty three to ten. And the Atlanta Falcons had all the control. They found a blood and that's insane I feel bad for Dan. Quinn I do Dan Quinn is a Jersey guy he's from Moorestown New Jersey I leave and Moorestown new. Jersey. So I always have an affinity for him as a head coach just based off geography. Say, sucks for him because last year the Falcon started off really slow and it seems like they really fall hard to keep Dan Quinn's job. And Arthur blank allowed it to happen. Arthur blank the owner of the Falcons said that he could keep his job but at their. This Owen three start to of these games being as devastatingly embarrassing of loss as you can really get. Of course against Dallas last week, and now here it's it's not good for Dan Quinn. Mindy Falcons did not have Julio Jones in his game. They don't think that's an excuse. They were able to run the football solidly through the first half of this game. Calvin is an absolute stud five catches for one hundred, ten yards. In this game, they were able to control his game early on Nick. foles comes in and they were still having success and then the next thing you know. He leads this comeback and as devastating for the Falcon, but it is what it is and there's one fan base that might feel worse than giants jets right now might be Atlanta because of the way. Both of these Games, the last two losses for the Falcons and materializing very, very embarrassing fashion very very Atlanta esque very falcon. Lake just reminds him about twenty eight to three super bowl comeback from the New England patriots a few years back. Another interesting contest that we had was the bills hosting the giants week four opponent. He'd Los Angeles Rams and was a controversial call at the end of this game bills the point away thirty five to thirty two. and. The Bills Twenty five point lead here they blow. It was a rocky will look coaster after the game, Josh? Allen. came out and says need to clean a lot up three and but they're nowhere near where they want to be or where they have to be, which is mature of him. But in this game. The realms started off slow as we all expected or at least as I expected just because this was a west coast team traveling for one o'clock start it's a really good team in the Ralph. Which obviously is up in Buffalo. So started off slow and they were able to actually mount a template drive missed the field goal, and then Josh Allen comes and leads a touchdown all the way down the field getting a rushing touchdown, which is something that he's been doing a lot this season I mean he's a real MVP candidate. He's doing fantastic for fantasy football. And, the next drive for the rams jared goff throws interception bills get the ball score. Another touchdown seemed like the bills are just GonNa Cruise, they're up twenty, one, two, three at halftime. And the rams turn it over and downs first possession the second half seems like all as well but you gotta give credit to the Rams Cooper. Cup had a huge game as well. He was jared Goff's favorite target astrolabes white was all over robber woods although woods also had a good game. Is being used as a ball carrier had three carries for thirty yards. He also had five catches for seventy four yards found Peter Cooper. Cup. had nine catches for one. Oh, seven found pater. Daryl Henderson was the lead rusher twenty carries for one fourteen in a Taty Malcolm. Brown. Only had seven carries in nineteen yards. He's dealing with a broken finger so he wasn't going to be used in the passing game. But at the end of this game. The Rams are able to take the lead they go up thirty to twenty eight. At the risks play drive. And it's I'm Josh. Back. The drive the whole field. The row four minutes left. or so. Little bit more than that route four thirty. And the rams put them in the third and twenty two. Bills. Convert. Then the rams put them in third and twenty five. Bills Making a fourth eight convert. then. The bill score. Because Of A penalty. On Williams defense a back where it did look like there was contact. But if you didn't want any to happen. Rams you should have stopped them on the third twenty, five, the third and twenty, two, the fourth and eight on that same drive. and. I know it was a Ticky tacky call I love Ticky ticky it calls in those situations. But there was some contact I also believe that Steph digs helped initiate the contact I would have been fine with a no call there at the same time. But you were in that position. And steph digs against a young cornerback. Gets the call unfortunately for the rams and the bills and winning this? Titled Kroft gets that touchdown. Josh. Allen you know Rutgers Got Represent But this was an exciting game no Zach Moss Devon single. Terry at thirteen carries for seventy one yards, four catches for fifty. Maybe he's starting to take over as the lead Guy Tyler higby calmed down a lot only had two catches for forty yards. and. It was a Cooper Cup game and these kind of things are gonNA happen terms of fantasy between Robert. Woods and Cooper cub it's going to be a match base thing. But in this game they both were able to make you happy in fancy football. And next week they play the giants. So I'm sure both of them will be able to probably make you happy but there was this other game, the Washington football team against the Cleveland Browns, the Cleveland browns are able to go to one because Washington did not find a way to win this game. Dwayne Haskins, just seems like he every time I turn on red zone and I see him out there he threw three interceptions in this game Nick Saban Kareem Hunt had great days Nick Chubb had one thousand, nine, hundred, one, eight, and two touchdowns cream hunt sixteen or forty six but Kareem Hunt also found the end zone through the air and he had two catches for eighteen yards dens award did a good job against Terry McLaren he did have a thirty three yard gain and four catches for eighty three yards in this contest Thomas. had four catches thirty one yards seven targets just doesn't seem like, Dwayne, Haskins is able to get him in the middle of the field. As, much as he has been attempting to but looking Thomas keeps getting a lot of targets I do think he's going to have one of these breakout games soon, just has not yet come to fruition and the Washington football team is another squad debt is going to be in the running for these top five picks along with the jets along with the giants and it's unfortunate for them too. Because in this game chase young did suffer what appears to be a hamstring injury he was on the sidelines afterwards. So that's definitely a good sign, but he was not dressed he came out and he was not going to play. So The Washington football team the. Philadelphia Eagles that your chance the NFC east and I'm not gonNA throw the cowboys in there even though they ended up losing as well but they should because they really realistically the Dallas Cowboys. Right. Now should be oh and three, which would have been lovely but it's not the case as for the Philadelphia Eagles Tie. At. Home against the Cincinnati bengals led by Joe Borough who seemed like he had a pretty solid game here threw for three hundred, twelve yards, two touchdowns. But the story is all about the other quarterback Carson Wentz who is struggling mightily this season. He has not looked anything like the Carson Wentz that we've seen in twenty seventeen or even last year in two, thousand, nine hundred and when he was playing behind a beat up team in this offense of line is beat up. But it's him. He's missing throws he's making poor decisions. Do the ball to forty seven times in this game completed twenty nine of them for two, hundred, twenty, five yard touchdown in two picks. Dallas. Got An end up going down in this game early. Doesn't help them I know Jason Peters went down late doesn't help them but it's the Cincinnati bengals you're at home. And Doug Peterson played for a tie. He played for a tie. Could have got aggressive towards the end of the game. And possibly got the Philadelphia Eagles into fuel goal ranch. But instead. He was a bit more conservative. Any punt the ball. He pumped ball with about eighteen seconds left. And the bengals end up running clock out and it's a gross time playing for the. That is not the Doug P we all kind of know. They had three drives in the game. Punt punt punt the bengals three drives. Punt. Punt Punt. All in overtime. This passing attack the Eagles just is not getting done Greg Ward had eleven targets backwards ten ward had eight for seventy, two and one seven for seventy. Two Sean Jackson suffered an injury and was questionable to return in the game as well. So it's just not a great situation for the Eagles but watching the game, you could see Carson Wentz is also really struggling but on the positive side for the bengals. T Higgins first or second round pick early pick in the second round I. Believe he was the first pick of the second round had two touchdowns five catches for forty yards after the Cincinnati bengals did not dress former top ten pick John Ross who was speed receiver out of Washington who dealt with a lot of injuries in college has dealt with a lot of injuries in the NFL has just not worked out for the Cincinnati Bengals. So maybe he can kind of help replace what Aj. Green was supposed to do degreen had six targets in this game looks like he lost a step, but he also got kind of shutdown. Daria Sleigh, who's an incredibly talented cornerback in his own right so there's also that may be AJ. Green in lesser matchup won't struggle as much because last week he dens award on Thursday night football and dense award definitely gave him some trouble. But before we get to the rest of the sleep, let's take a quick break to hear word from our sponsors. 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Good for his fantasy value, but he had twenty six carries for one hundred and nineteen yards and two touchdowns Ryan. Tannehill was not the Ryan Tannehill we to yet three, hundred, twenty, one passing yards. No touchdowns had a pretty bad interception as well. But Khalif Raymond was the big play threat for the Tennessee receiving game. Corey Davis. Everybody's just hoping Corey Davis can seize. There's number one job now that Brown is hurt. You Have Brown hurt and he might be out for more extended period of time than what we originally anticipated but David only six targets in his game five or sixty nine seems like Tennessee's getting creative with how they're going to. Attack with their passing game Johnny Smith's going to be heavily involved had eight targets by for sixty one atom humphries in the slot will also be really involved with seven. Targets four catches for forty one yards. Minnesota's defense is so beat up no Anthony Barr. They've had so many injuries, but they were able to come out early kirk cousins looked good initially before throwing a couple boneheaded interceptions the at two hundred, fifty yards passing three touchdowns, two picks the rushing attack was really really good for Tennessee or for Minnesota and Tennessee I guess you could say Delvin Cook twenty two carries for one, hundred, eighty, one yards and A. Touchdown it was all over the place breakout game just like Petit Higgins for Justin Jefferson who had seven catches for one, hundred, seventy, five yards and one touchdown. Adam feeling also added a touchdown in Soda Kyle Rudolph. But in the game, just Minnesota couldn't find a way to win this game and they are not a good football team at the moment as currently constructed with ABC head coach, Love Mike, Zimmer phenomenal head coach. To go into halftime upset seventeen to nine. They force a punt after throwing a pick initially to out of the half. And they miss a field goal. and. It's just the Stephen Gostkowski show steaming Kelsey in this game hit six field goals. A lot of field, goals ladies and gentlemen. And they're able to hit one after a nine play four or nine, play forty, four yard drive. Round the two minute warning after forcing a punt. and then kirk cousins goes out there and he throws an interception deep interception to. Amari Hooker. Unfortunate. Yes. It's another three team right now. Titans to three now, and there are three note team, but it was lost to the Jacksonville Jaguars home. Last week, we saw with the JAGS. Just did at home themselves. Against the Miami Dolphins, there's football. So I'll reserve my judgment on the Tennessee. Titans may win that division because they're in the same division as Texans the colts who dismantled the jets. But that the jets. Speaking of those Texans over the titans, get the thirty one to thirty one but speaking of those Texans. Go to Pittsburgh and they battle early they do. steelers start slow a lot of the times I feel like historically under Tomlin the steelers have letdown in spots where we expected them to dominate I've definitely seen that I've had the steelers Bernie multiple years as home, survivor. Pool picks. I would go against the Mike. Glennon led Tampa Bay buccaneers. And they would lose at home. When they had Antonio Brown and Lebanon Bell very frustrating but anyways. The anecdotes. But the Texans able to force punts fuel goal early on able to take a fourteen to three lead. Big Ben kind of turns it on a little bit. steelers are able to mount drives James Conner has lewd game. They did kind of us a three headed rushing attack. I saw Anthony McFarland Benny Snell getting goal line carries which was gross. But Macfarlane had six for forty two. Any SNELL, seven for eleven. Connor had eighteen for one. Oh, nine and connors also used in the passing game and that's the big thing about connor. Connor had four catches for forty yards. Eric Hebron found the end zone DIG Ben looks good. Look strong. He looks smart. W., doesn't look fast but he will Russia out of the pocket and try to get first downs and I respect that about him a lot of respect for that but he finishes twenty three completions thirty, six attempts for two hundred, thirty, seven yards, two touchdowns, and the Texans they had the roughest start to schedule. That I've seen in a while. At the lost thirty, four twenty. Home against the Ravens lost thirty three to sixteen, and then at the steelers lost twenty, eight, twenty one. But now they get the host the Vikings and the Jaguars. Before going to Tennessee. So they could realistically be three and three if they could beat Tennessee, which is something that I feel like they can do. Now I'm not a big. Bill O'Brien. Guy. But to Shawn Watson. Is Great. But in this game to sixty, four, two touchdowns and interception. David Johnson couldn't really get much going on the ground despite having rushing touchdown. And they're passing attack is just spread around. Its Full Oprah, it's give the ball to everybody. Which is great for football not amazing fantasy but I hope in better match ups when there is no Joe Haden if it's Patrick and J. Watt and all these guys coming down on you. Will Fuller will rise to the occasion if he could stay healthy 'cause last week we saw him come down with some sort of little injury. But Texans Fall to the steelers twenty eight to twenty. One good start confinment off Deontay Johnson he's an injury of. Two targets in this game, he had one rush for nine yards and he ended up leaving the game. It doesn't seem like it's overly serious. He could have a chance to play next week, but we gotta wait for word to come out when it comes to that. Next, we have the raiders and the Patriots Raiders traveling always New England for one o'clock start. And the Patriots ran the ball down the fruit and it wasn't even as much. Cam Newton. Yeah. He had nine for twenty seven on the ground, but it was only Michelle and REX burkhead more specifically. Number, James White is not playing this game because white. SP- parents got into a car wreck and the father passed away. So he obviously all of our thoughts and prayers are with the white family. Sony Michelle Rex burkhead. were. Able to establish this rushing attack. Jj Taylor too had eleven carries for forty three yards sony nine for hundred seventeen something. You never see with forty eight yard run REXBURG had six for forty nine but with REX burkhead, the passing game seven for forty, nine leading. The New England patriots with one touchdown. Had Ten targets excellent to let him MIA no. One knew where he was culinary Harry. WHO's that? None of these guys are starting to McManus he didn't do anything for you. But Hey is what it is patriots able to get the job get the win as for the raiders. We all knew we also all come and Darren Waller was going to get Bella jet and he did get to catch for nine yards on four targets. But when you focus so much on one player leaves opportunities for other players Hunter. RENFRO was able to come in has six catches for eighty four yards and one touchdown. Nine targets almost had two touchdowns down at the one yard line. Of course that touchdown and go to Jacobs but he had sixteen, Seventy one, it looks fine in the game well, der to sixty one, two touchdowns zero picks. And in this game. I mean Patriots Win by sixteen it was never really that. Competitive 'cause New England Kinda. Jumped twenty, ten lead I mean those thirteen to ten at halftime because the raiders were able to drive the ball down the field closed the half. which was four play drive. Capped off by a little touchdown to foster monroe to make somewhat interesting I. Guess. But you always just know bill belichick has something in mind his game plan was obviously different. Every game plan is different and that's the way it should be. Last week it was attacked the slot because, Jamal Adams, and the Seattle seahawks aren't that great at covering slot. This week it was we're GONNA attack. The raiders are running backs out of the Backfield 'cause I don't think your linebackers can cover running backs out of the backfield and we're GONNA run the ball down your throat. You're coming off a short week travel in the West Coast East Coast per one o'clock start. And it worked to perfection bore Bill Belichick, and then we have our fellow New York football. Team. And it is a sad day for New York football, the jets, the giants are both not good football teams at the moment, but they go down to Indianapolis the jets that is and they add into the loss to the record. Oh, in three SAM, darnold to sixes in his game was sacked twice. had another interception so he finishes his day. For, one, hundred, sixty, eight yards one touchdown. Three picks, Braxton Berrios is a bright spot on this team. He had four catches for sixty four yards and a touchdown on four targets. But the Indianapolis Colts just dominate his game. Jonathon Taylor had a touchdown, the ground. He's just a budding star for sure. And unlike a lot of people gave the jets a chance to win this game. Rightfully. So I hate the fact that giants or creeping into that. Now, I don't WANNA say they're as bad as the jets 'cause I don't believe that. Into that. Mindset where it's they're gonNA lose every game. Are they going to lose every game and I really hope They don't. Really do. Jets here. Able to split time of possession. They lose a turnover battle terribly they lose the battle three, fifty, three to sixty. In this game. Philip rivers doesn't have to do all that much. The jets have. Some of that time of possession I guess you could say was in garbage time. But again, a lot of the scoring for the colts they didn't even have to mount an offensive attack because they had to pick sixes. which is abysmal. Not to mention a safety for the jets, the Sam Darnold and Adam Gates that's just terrible situation right now. And we have the panthers and the chargers. The panthers were able to go west and beat the chargers. Twenty one to Sixteen Justin Herbert had a couple mistakes in his game. Thought he got hurt. Came back in battled through forty nine times for three, hundred, hundred yards, a touchdown and an. But it was it was awesome. Eker August. Leban- targets had eleven catches eighty four yards. It was Keenan Allen all game nineteen targets. Thirteen catches for one, hundred, thirty, two yards and Taty. Josh. Kelley didn't do as much as I expected because the game scripting go that well, for the chargers gotTa give it to the panthers they were able to come out here. Able to. Establish a rushing attack with Mike. Davis able to US Mike. Davis, as a receiver had nine targets. So He's a real thing you have on your fantasy teams, plug him in. Is Curtis Samuel us a little bit Reggie bottle fumble us a little bit. But this is Mike Davis backfield until Christian McCaffrey gets back. But Teddy Bridgewater Hey didn't have to do all that much but. Vision. Twenty Two completions on twenty temps, two, hundred, thirty, five yards, and a touchdown. And a No panthers had twenty one points in his game. You think they had three touchdowns they did not. They had a whole lot of field goals. And the chargers actually did much better than the panthers in terms of yardage. Had so much more yardage than the Carolina Panthers. But to show you statistics are not everything charter at four, hundred, thirty, six yards to three hundred to. Take. Twenty, six first downs to Carolina's fourteen. To possess the ball thirty one minutes as opposed to twenty eight. Now that's Kinda close. But the panthers were able to just. Get down. Into the red zone not pungent in. Just. Keep chipping away with Joey sly who had a great game in this contest. The charges, Mount Long drives, throw bad pick punt the football. Had A couple long drive that resulted in two touchdowns sixteen play seventy, five yard drive that resulted in a touchdown. To keep, Alan. Also had a ten play seventy, five yard drive led by just. Resulted in Austin twelve run. It's bad loss tough loss. Drops the charges to one to easily be owned three hundred Anthony Lynn? But seemed like got something there and Justin Herbert Nets good and we're the buccaneers. At the Denver Broncos the Driscoll led Denver. broncos. The buccaneers dominate this game twenty eight to ten. Tom Brady two, hundred, ninety, seven yards passing three touchdowns Chris. Goblin left this game did not return not harbor church you the severity haven't heard anything in dire yet about it but he did leave his game after scoring a touchdown and getting five or sixty, four on six targets. Scott Miller had three for eighty three. With a beautiful forty, seven yard reception and the backfield of Tampa Bay. Still Gross Fantasy Purposes Ralph Jones at thirteen fifty, three, Leonard Fournette Seven Fifteen Tom Brady had five carries for zero yards. which is not a surprise. But the Tampa Bay defence was kind of all over Jeff Driscoll Jr after school only threw one interception sacked five times was a safety in this game as well. Melvin Gordon can do much on the grounds. It's all what we kind of expected. Jerry. Judy was able to kind of battle through play this game. Had five or fifty, five, nine targets. Noah five or forty six without Portland Sutton this offense is going to have to five its new groove under Pat Shurmur and I believe that they will bachelors good offensive line. Wasn't wasn't the best head coach, but he's a good offense of mind. They had a short week against the jets. That's get right spot. There's a night football. Two Oh and three teams one of the grossest Thursday night football balls you could think of, but hey. We get to watch Jeff Driscoll. And a bunch of young talented pass catchers and K J. Hamblur Noah Fan Jerry Judy Knew Tim Patrick. To, watch jets maybe Braxton Berrios can have another touchdown with third rail. Who knows we have the lions and the Cardinals Lions Win this game twenty, six or twenty three in an upset fashion. Kyla Marie had one of his worst games to date. What he you do on the ground like he always does five or twenty, nine, hundred, thirty. He had twenty three completions on thirty five attempts for two hundred, seventy yards, two touchdowns and the re enter sections, and he was throwing the ball into just take coverage trying to fit the ball into areas where I thought it was him being a little bit Well the cocky I guess. Good for the Detroit Lions who couldn't force anybody to turn them all over all season. They able to get three interceptions in this game. Matt. Staffer to seventy for to Adrian Peterson twenty carries for seventy five yards. Absolutely. Ridiculous. Can Call it a six for fifty seven on seven targets teddy in his game and then the Andre Hopkins twelve targets ten from one thirty seven. But I think the story of this game excretion Kirk who was out. was out with an injury and Andy Isabella came in. And India's a bell had two touchdowns. In this game, you're the goal line. Any of the bell is about five foot seven wide receiver who was drafted over decay, que macadear and maclaurin two years ago but he's lightning-quick very, very quick, very fast feet. I'm wondering what this says about. Christian Kirk. Andy Bella or what's going to happen in the future? Valet Christian Kirk I did coming out of college, but it just has not happened yet. But Andy Isabella just happen for him did. You gotTa Give It to here Matt Patricia has been a donkey plenty of times as blown a lot of games. But not this one. They held the cardinals to be scoreless. In the fourth quarter. And they kicked two field goals in that same fourth quarter. To propel themselves to victory. On, an eight play in ten play drive. By the lines. Who have like a thirty six year old running back after drafting A. Kidney second round and carry on Johnson in the second round a couple years ago. But it's Adrian Peterson man. He's the goat. You guys know that as a running back and now for our last game because right now incident I football and it's twenty, seven, twenty seven in the beginning of the fourth quarter. So knocking to speak too much on that but we have the cowboys. And the SEAHAWKS. And the Seattle seahawks and Russell Wilson who's an absolute five touchdowns three, hundred, fifteen yards letting them cook and he's Cook and cook and cooking. BEAT THE DALLAS. Cowboys. Dak Prescott had one hell of a game too. He had a couple of boneheaded mistakes with those two interceptions. But he also had four, hundred, seventy, two yards passing. Three touchdowns. Ezekiel Elliott couldn't get anything going on the ground Chris Carson ends up getting her after a really dirty play by Tristan Hill should be suspended. The fourth quarter, it was a little inside hand off Chris Carson. Chris Carson's trying to break out of a tackle interest in he'll rolls his legs and just rolls and continue to roll. At the very dirty play and Chris Carson ends up hurting his ankle. So that. All of the linemen are going to see that and that's not going to be It's not gonna go to L. But in this game, there was a lot of them. It was it was a fun. Fox Game to have on the television for one to watch because even had weird stuff like de que McCaffrey, the ball strip that there a beautiful time. At. The one yard line beautiful by Russell Wilson tk metcalf when lax and didn't sprint to the end zone and the ball gets punched out by a cowboys defender but then became later on. Guest eat gets his touchdown but he was four for one ten, thirty eight targets Tyler Lockett nine for one, hundred, three touchdowns. Thirteen targets. It's frustrating have carson fantasy in this game because there were three separate occasions when Russell Wilson was on the one yard line and Chris Carson did not get the touchdown and the Carlos Carlos Trappist homer. But. Ross cooked. That's one reason why at five touchdowns another reason why is because he is by far the most valuable player in football so far through three weeks of this national football league season. On a cowboy side of things, Cedrick Wilson nobody really knows we is came from Boise state two years ago was in the draft. CEDRICK. is able to five for one. Oh, seven four touchdown as well. Seven targets. Michael, Gal had one hell of a game burnt the cornerback. The Seattle seahawks on one play for fifty two yard touchdown nine targets six for one, thirty eight. Dalton Schultz was used again solidly six targets four for forty eight in this game Barak Cooper twelve targets. Did you see Dak Prescott Lakes pardoning. Amaury Gallup didn't do anything. The first two games had one heck of a game here. I feel like the tight end position is always a good position for Dallas cowboys in Fantasy Dalton Schultz had a modest game here but. In the game, you could see that he was being using intermediate parts of the game as well or fueled I should say. But. Dallas. Almost, came back here, almost one this game. Had you on the edge of your seat. Can they do it again just like they did against the Falcons even the Falcons Falcons Dak Prescott had that eleven play drive going. spout to put the team in position. But he threw interception the back of the end zone. To kneel and then. It was just a touch back and. D-. SEATTLE. SEAHAWKS end up winning. But I'm not drive that convert. Third Four. That a nice fourteen yard pass to. CEDRICK Wilson. Put the team in position to win this game. The Heckman. Dallas should be looking around its division right now is that we really need a win all these games for the eagles tying with the bengals, the giants getting blown out by triage unit and the Washington football team losing to Baker. Mayfield. So you know they don't have that much to worry about the dismal way to look at this but hey, early on in the season. But these other teams in the NFC ease outside of Dallas have not shown anything. So despite the fact that the Dallas cowboys are one and two right now. And they should be oh three but the Falcons Falcon despite the fact that they're wanting to. They're doing a pretty good spot. And I still even with that being said, I can't believe the giants only one game out of first place that's Asinine and crazy anyways. Hope you guys enjoy this. Please rate subscribe review. On. Football on the big. Blue View radio. Syndicate I guess you can call it and please have a lovely day to carry yourself and talk the giants right the ship take care everybody. 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Hour 1: Expecting More

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Hour 1: Expecting More

"The Stephen Smith Show podcast is brought to you capital one safercar four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent of grocery stores in one percent of all other purchases now when you go out you you cash in. What's in your wallet terms apply this this is this even a Smith. Show podcast. I'm steven anyway what's up everybody welcome to the latest addition to the Stephen a Smith show coming at you as I love to do every weekday over the airwaves of ESPN radio and ESPN news two pity plus markets across the United States of America check. Your Am FM listening nearest you plus ESPN radio on Sirius Xm channel eighty plus ESPN radio simulcast over the live national through television airwaves of ESPN news. Number is triple eight say espn. That's eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six. Stephen Smith Show on ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance drivers switch and save an average of six hundred ninety nine dollars less per year time for straight. Talk brought to you by straight talk. Wireless had a good game eight at a couple of good games last night Monday night football that's one thing I want to get into I'll get into the jets and the giants and the rams and the charges and and obviously several other teams are what I saw from the NFL Sunday Monday but when I think about last night's game Games a couple of games by the way I was pretty surprised and happy what I saw I didn't expect Houston. I did not expect to Houston Texas to be as competitive as they were. I really really did it. This kid Shawn Watson just continues to amaze me. I mean when you think about the fact last night was his ninth regular season loss of his career okay in his three years in the national football league. This is a guy that the average margin of losses in those games was four points four points. This is what the Shawn Watson does. This is what he's all about. He was a winner clips and it. I can't deny that he's a winning Houston Championship but dammit. It ain't his fault because Tom Tom Again when pressed against the wall aw and asked to rise to the occasion and respond the Shawn Watson does exactly that last night when all was said Undone he finished twenty thirty two hundred sixty eight yards three touchdowns was sacked six times finished with a one fourteen point three passer asa rating completed about sixty six percent of his passes. Now obviously wasn't drew brees because how many people are drew brees thirty two or forty three three hundred seventy. The yards drew brees that back in the pocket and based on a pass rush that Houston Texas didn't have couldn't touch the quarterback. Stop drop back in the pocket. Hockett course called the wife and kids told him when he'd be home. Ask for what he'd want for an whatever I mean he was doing everything I mean talk about being in a comfort zone but this is the kind of stuff that drew brees had it is supposed to last night. I didn't expect much from the Houston Texas because quite frankly i. I didn't look at them as that great of a team. I know that good. The show Watson is a bowl. The Audrey Hopkins is one of the top three receivers in a world. As far as I'm concerned man doesn't drop asses didn't drop a single pass last year then drop a single pass and had about one hundred fifteen research didn't drop a single pass. This dude is something special and so you look at it from that perspective. I say to myself look bad. You can't ignore what you get from us to you. GotTa be surprised approach because Carlos hot and do Johnson or you do threat at the running back spot particularly now that Lamar Odom Lamar Odom Lamar Miller. Uh is out for the year you know he got injured and so because he had injured and you have to go out there and make a deal and have a running back by committee these guys play well me call us at eighty three yards on ten Russia's and had a twenty yard run Duke Johnson Rush for fifty. Seven yards on nine carries had a thirty two yard run. You've got to give credit where credit's due offensively behind. What do they do. The Shaun what's less than a minute left connects with the Andrei Hopkins then after that connects with newly acquired wide receiver Kenny stills sales for the Miami Dolphins. They take twenty eight twenty eight twenty seven lead. Oh by the way the damn kicking missed the extra point but a roughing the kicker penalty penalty was implemented. They got a second crack at it. They made extra point. They go up twenty eight twenty seven. They give drew brees the football what about thirty seven of a seconds left you need thirty five yards thirty five yards to be positioned to kick a field goal. What does drew brees. Get Caprices 35-yards what he does. He's drew brees so when you look at it from that perspective whereas Michael Thomas taking it didn't matter to breeze. GonNa find every needed to find that's what he does. It would have been nice to see Houston defense be able to do something if you remember last regular season in Philadelphia. The Shawn Watson leads another comeback and all you need. Is this defense to get a stop and you preserved the victory and that is that they couldn't stop it. They lost that game to the Philadelphia Eagles after Shawn Watson brought them back last night same for the same thing instead of being against Nick foles who's with the Eagles at the time this Thomas Against drew brees you get the Lee and your defense. I can't hold and I gotTa tell you something right now. I'm not a purse. They usually looks at somebody like the defensive coordinator and point fingers. I'm thinking everything starts with the head man. That's how I'm looking at it. That's exactly how I'm looking kin- but I gotta tell you something right now. Romeo Cornell Defensive Coordinator for the Houston Texas demand is seventy two years his own. We all know he was the great head coach and the six complete years in Cleveland and Kansas City as a head coach. He was twenty eight fifty five. That's a thirty three eight percent winning percentage that ain't cutting it but religiously has been ballyhooed and recognize at the very least as a damn good coordinator. I gotTa tell you something start. Wonder you're in Houston. Okay you are in Houston. You've been a defensive coordinator for quite some time he he was defensive coordinator in Cleveland Two thousand. I'm looking at his resume right here. He was a defensive coordinator in New England two thousand one through two thousand four. We know you want a couple of super bowls. They're okay you go back to being a defensive coordinator. In Kansas City before you would have head coach then you went back to being a defensive coordinator and he stayed there until arriving in Houston in two thousand fourteen and now you've been a Houston the last five years Rubio Canales been around too long. You need to stop. I know drew brees. It's going to get you got to figure that out you gotta figure it out that didn't happen and as a result. Houston laws I got New Orleans going to the super bowl before the season even began coming out of the NFC. It's not going to be easy but I'm not betting against breeze into Orleans. I'm just not not this time not two years in a row. I don't see that as for Houston I will admit this. The Shawn Watson does give you pause caused oppose the brother sensation he he can run with the football heat capacity to football. He's being examined by doctors throughout the evening because of his back ailments because he was getting pot silly got sacked sick talk. Six Times got hit eleven times. New Orleans all over no question about it all true but I gotta taste something. Despite the fact that they all over he kept coming he kept coming to so they got a lot a heart obviously tremendous skill and if cargo bays. I'm sick to my stomach. I not only passed onto Shawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes. I I actually moved up in the draft to get Mitchell trubisky. I don't understand that one. I got admitted I really really do the show Watson something special. They got a quarterback in Houston so twenty four years of age. They got a quarterback in Houston. No doubt about it and they got some talent to. I cannot estimate them but it appears is losing today beyond cloudy and ultimately traded him to Seattle is not a plus. Jj Watt talk about a no show last night. What the Hell was he. No sacks snow tackles no assist. I'm just looking. I don't see anything I watch. Some of the game didn't see anything. I am wondering somebody's gotTa say it. I mean it was an oprah winners last time you seen that with. Jj Watt humanitarian extraordinaire former multiple top defensive player of the year. We know how big time he is. I used to see from Jj Watt. I'm not used to seeing T. J. Watt be more recognizable than his big brother. Jj I'm not used to that had a lot of things addressed today. No question about it but I will tell you this is one game Houston. Houston should be excited. They really really should cause Shawn Watson and his history and his talent and his heart all show losing losing acopia continuous thing as long as he's Baas Center. I'm telling you that right now at eight say. ESPN two nine three seven seven six. You're listening. Glock to the Steven Naismith show. ESPN radio ESPN news that was just the first game that I wanted to get into the second game you could sit up there and easily say that the story of this game was Derek Carr. Look at Derek Carr. You recognize the fact that this is a guy who nobody questions the talent. Nobody questions arm strength the act you you know what he can do. He can fling their football down. The question that you had about Derek Carr was whether or not he could be consistent. That's still a question mark because last night's game against Denver. This is one game but here is way absolutely positively gets. It's interesting. He was sensational last night twenty two or twenty six. That's eighty four point six percent completion percentage just two hundred fifty yards a touchdown and not a single interception. A quarterback rating of one twenty-one had a running back. Josh Jacobson Rookie out of Alabama ran for eighty five of yours or twenty three carries had two touchdowns look at Tira Williams the guy that was supposed to be playing opposite Antonio Brown and they were supposed to be the dual threat but not at a Tonio Brown supposedly mess things up for the Oakland Raiders this Tiro William show he showed up and showed up six receptions for one hundred and five five yards tied in Darah Waller. His checkered pass some battles that he's had a hell of a football player. He's just on tighthead. Had Seven receptions seventy got to give credit where credit's due. He was getting open against Denver's defense. Here's the thing for me I watched. Denver and I gotTa tell you something I expected better and at some point in time I got looking John elway. I can't blame it all on Joe flacco especially after Sean Hamilton truck that touchdown pass in and writing this chess you down fourteen to six you catch that pass you go to two point conversion score time. I get all of that but I'm just looking at Joe flacco thirty one twenty one to thirty one hundred sixty eight yards a touchdown knowing exception sack act three times not bad performance just wasn't Derek cars and then I'm looking at them. Philip Lindsay could play he I but he ain't gonNA. Knock your socks off offer me. He doesn't Move Me Royce Freeman Yai Yai this kid cartland sudden really seem to develop a report with FLACO FLACCO was getting into ball seven hundred and twenty yards of course Emmanuel Sanders had five receptions for eighty six yards all know he can ball but when you look at Denver business nothing that really really moves you offensively. They're an average ballclub. They'll be okay defensively where you expect big things from them got. Vic Fangio coach of that team now. This is the man that was the defensive coordinator for the Chicago bears last year led by Khalil Mack. We all know what he breached table and when you look at dead you led by John. Miller on defense got Shelby Harris Chris Harris out there Bradley charge. Just this drafted him on the first round over year ago. Derek Wolfe can play Cream Jackson is there you just look look at them and you just say wait a minute here. I expected this defense to be better. Why are the Oakland Raiders of all people fresh off this Antonio Brown fiasco. Why is Oakland converting seven of eight third downs in the first half it route to their first scores? How's that it happening. Riding the momentum of the crowd I get it but I distill found myself expecting more from the Denver Broncos and and the fact that we didn't get more. Maybe the time has arrived where we need to start talking about. The different Rocco's just a little bit more because guess what you won the Super Bowl at twenty fifteen when von Miller knows boys terrorize Cam Newton in the super bowl since that time. You haven't even made the playoffs three straight years they've coming on. They've missed the playoffs. This is what Jonah at three straight years. You've had trouble finding your quarterback drafted. Paxton Lynch hat case keenum. You know those only once they're just the ones if they come to my mind at this particular moment up. I'm just saying when you look at the history of quarterbacks for the Denver broncos. I gotTa admit I expected more. I really really did I really expected the Denver Broncos defense to be a bit better than what it was. I can't deny got Trevor Siemian case keenum Joe flacco I mean I can't believe I'm clamoring for today's attempt people for crying out loud. There is just not going to be that good to me last night. As impressed as I was the Oakland I viewed the game as a battle of Latte for last place in a AFC west 'cause I don't see any of these teams being ahead the Kansas City or the Los Angeles chargers. I just don't see it. I just don't see it. Charges found a way make noise when you sit up eh even without Malvy Gordon Philip rivers is still there. Kansas City is no joke even without tyreek. Hill still got traffic. Kelsey Skills Got Sammy Watkins still got debut say Dave Williams and now you've got shady McCoy to who looked -freshing young and SURPRI just ecstatic to be back with any. Why should I expect anything from the raiders are the Broncos I just expected the broncos defense to look a little better data. I expected their offense to be trash and their defense to be a lot better. Offense is slightly better than that defense was considerably worse. So all of these things are things that we have to look at particularly as day shows as today's show progresses it they'd say. ESPN that's eight eight seven to nine seven seven six listen live to the Stephen Smith show ESPN RADIO ESPN news a couple more things. I want to get into now that I've had an additional day to reflect on the whole Antonio Brown's the ass go by the way somebody informed me. He blocked me on instagram. I don't know what would make him think I would care about them. Damn whether I'm blocked on instagram not like I tried to instagram him directly you know I post stuff on my social media pages but that's about it and thinking about trying to post something on his page but nevertheless what I would tell you is this that I've had an opportunity to reflect on it laser laser gentlemen. I WanNa ask you all a simple question when you think about this. This season is twenty forty nine thousand nine. NFL season particularly with the New England Patriots having a quiet Antonio Brown. My simple question is an all of you is how do you feel about it as it pertains to parody in the national football league see when Kevin Durant went to Golden State people in an uproar me me too. I was the main one. I didn't even WanNa Watch basketball season because the balance of power so dramatically shifted the made no sense. Nobody was going to be Golden State. They nobody yet yet. He literally wait for an injury because nothing else was. GonNa Knock them off. Well a few years before that. Miami had Lebron brought. Those boys view that as the same even though that was kind of stacking the deck there was still Boston there with Ray Allen Paul Pierce Rondo Indiana was on a come up and more importantly than anything else. Lebron de way and Bosch had never play together so to me it was not the same as Kevin Durant or ready joining a Juggernaut who were experienced player with one another another. They just did have him. Lebron Wade and boss had to learn to play together which explain why they lost the Dallas that I rap where the Vicki went ballistic on them and somehow some way Lebron James imploded and even Jason Terry was awesome. Kevin Durant in Golden Golden State was different but I remember everybody myself included being in an absolute uproar my questions. How do we feel about that with the NFL because let me tell you something right now barring injury. There's nobody that's beating the New England patriots. y'All do understand that right. There's nothing to talk about here. There's nobody that's beating the New England patriots. I mean there's just too much firepower. It's damn fair and I remember when they were playing see the only thing do you realize that right now. The only thing we have to hold onto hope for competitive parity ready late season or the New York giants now for those of you who think that that statement means. I must be on crack. Please please understand. I've talked about the New York Johnson two thousand seven two thousand eleven now talking about these giants. I'm saying two thousand seven giants the two thousand eleven giants but but even that we found ourselves hoping against hope that they will do something none of us believe they could do but Michael Strahan crew thought they could get to Brady and if they could get the brady they could change everything and believe it or not barring injury. That's all you can hope for. That's all all you can hope for and I thought about it because I said even that ain't good enough because I thought about Chicago doesn't need to blitz to get to the quarterback but the offense is is not good enough but then I thought about how well he Li- Manning Mario Manningham Plaxico burress whomever you know the offense wasn't a juggernaut either so maybe there is a chance. I just can't see it. I can't see Brady. We're Bella check having having Antonio Brown with they a healthy Josh Gordon Julian Adamant. I just can't see how you're GonNa beat New England James whites-only Michelle what the hell. I don't see how I don't see isn't. Is it not if we're GONNA talk about Antonio Brown. I guess my question that everybody would be is it time to start talking about the New England patriots in a fashion that asked the question. Are they going undefeated this season are they. GonNa pull it off because I anybody could be on any given Sunday. I'm just saying theoretically speaking. This is a foregone conclusion. I don't see how anybody can beat these guys. I really don't edited eight say. ESPN is edited seven nine three seven seven six that was straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart by the way do you African Harper like the Conway stashed everywhere cases POPs up. You know what I mean. You keep some of your bag of your desk. Oh you call or your nightstand. You have those chunky tablets ready for whenever and wherever harbor strikes well listen up. There's an easier way to deal with heartburn. That's policy. OTC just one they will ask the full twenty four hours with zero heartburn so kick you an acid habit at the possible were prolific. OTC US director for fourteen days to treat frequent could heartburn not for immediate relief when it comes to Harvey. You don't have time to waste you need help getting the shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot. COM POST A job. 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One hundred percent that Romeo Cornell was way past his prime and he blew the coverage of that game and it's just I think him and Brian. I didn't say he was all that. I didn't say it was passed as problem. I'm just saying he seventy two years old and the job that he's done last night and at the end of the season last year wasn't that great. We need to keep eyes on it. That's all I'm saying right right and and you but you are right though about Shawn Watson he is a star in the making and if he had an offense align like the Cowboys Eagles and Ravens this guy we'll take those teams. They're super bowl because he's so talented and they really need to shore up their offense align but you're right. He is a star in the making and like I said I'm a big. Fan Is so you know. I saw him a Clemson and I just I just knew he was. GonNa ball out and the last thing I won't hold on hold on who I'm GonNa put on that. I'm going to put that on Bill O'Brien Brian. You know what Bill O'Brien is not only a head coach but he's a form offense coordinator. He's worked with quarterbacks like Tom. Brady before you gotTA. I didn't know what to spread. You know how hard it was used in the final quarterback for years now now many times after rely on match off crying la now hard it. was you got a guy like this like this. Priority has to be to protect him. It has to be now in fairness to them. I mean you know you did move tunsil over there. I get all all that but you gotta protect this. Do you got to protect the DOODOO protecting his blinds to protect them period. He can't get hit eleven times in open up of the Dan season. They just can't happen happen. One get off here. would you think about this. I knows is kind of a little bit crazy but what you consider this. He's such valuable quarterback. That's going to give you ten twelve years. You protect them. Would it be worth even entertaining to going to make a tree for Hopkins. who was a ball star but you can get receivers anywhere aware o-of that offense a line because if you protect impotence twelve outed holiday did you just call up to my show and propose US trading Desha Watson? Is that what you just know Hopkins. I'm sorry saying Deandre Hopkins. Did you say listen. I don't want to give him up but if we show up that offense alarm we're good for twelve years. You can find receivers anywhere. Not I took at Hopkins level. You could find receivers like the Andrea. Does something close at the rockets not close but I'm saying thing if you if you don't protect Watson look good as hopkins going to be. He's going to be a big listen less and less and less than you can't thank give up a Dr Dre Hawkins Twenty. Why receive a one atop our sleeves and all the football. They'll come around every day. You can't do that. You gotta find a different way because what you can protect the quarterback all you want to. He goes still be getting hit if you've got a hold on the ball to the ball forever because he can't find nobody open look look have A. Nice Day bye taught to be tomorrow that no hey turns the Andre. I'm Jay. How're you crazy crazed. CB You live a stephen. A talk to me was up. Oh man how yoke doc with the Coleman mention of the input right there right there sorry to stop right there. CB No rapid get to your point the rap rock session. You're right go ahead. Okay cooperation. NFL weekend. I thought it was beautiful. It was nice and you hit the nail on the head talking about the patriots and Tom Terrific but I'm afraid of that and I was so happy Stephen Eight how lawyer because with the departure of Antonio Brown Av. I thought it was very cloudy us now you know. How are you saying that they had a black cat walk around in the Locker Room Hill Answer. They're gonNA have a Black Panther walking around the locker room but they showed up they were respectful last night and I was really proud you know car. Oh you did a great job yeah yeah. He did a good job and I really have sold on really wasn't sold on your cold but I like Cau- aw respectful job no interceptions he managed the game well and our defense would critics doubt they were meeting on flacco house really happy beaver that now the game before that would drew brees my goodness what a game that loss oh man that came down to the wire so I enjoy the the NFL weekend especially with the coalition of live mighty raiders win well. Let's see what you call back anytime. Call back next week. Let's see what the rate is due due next week and the week after that one game thank you they didn't start the season all went three like they did last. Let's see what they do. We'll find out. We'll find out appreciate to call man. Thank you so much less go to Michael you. Live is Stephen. What's going on Michael. How are you man Steve. I'm so happy to be on your show. Thank you so much for your time. I'll all all answer your first on our people exhausted with the AP trade now the Patriots have another added. I say this is a point. I don't think anybody thinks the Patriots have dominated in so many different ways without weapons with injuries with peg you name it they've dealt with it and still they come them up with the Big Fat W. I'm niners Fan. I love my reading goal but I I'll tell you this. I'm not on my super excited about seeing a be there. It's more because of now I get to see them with such an amazing offensive weapon that Thomas he's seen in quite some time it's kind. I like well but what I'm saying is. You're happy about that. I'm I'm happy to see 'cause. I don't believe in this in this regard. I don't think we're ever we're GONNA see a dynamic duo of coach and quarterback. They're so in tune with each other into the game and are there are chess experts at making the other coaching staff. Look silly stupid on. I mean it doesn't matter who's coming up with a game plan. Bill Bell check just craps on all of them and we're Tom. Brady out what they're practically a coach himself. It's like I just like well. Let's just see what this is. I don't think I've never seen anything like this again in the NFL. I'm the won't say I will tell you this. I will tell you this too. Many people talk about spy gate deflate gate all of this other stuff and they try to sit up there and talk about Bill Bella check check and the Patriots cheating at some point in time. You just gotTA concede. The man is just better than everybody else because you know who I so you know. I never hear complaining about bill to check the players players. I've never heard one. NFL player did not his genius as a football coach ever. I've never heard that I think that commercial Tom. Brady all the rest of the stars at the beginning the Super Bowl last here we says here. Oh these rings I think that's states everything right there but back to one of the things I want to ask you on the Miami Dolphins with trade rumor all the players coming off off I'm just curious why nobody's talking about hey players on Miami dolphins okay. Let's say they are thinking why not use this as an opportunity to go out there in just blow your position out of the water as an individual and possibly earn your cell phone to a team that really does care. Perhaps care about winning. I don't know what Miami's doing but I'm just waterline that message. That would stop stop. Stop Stop Stop why we acted like we don't know what the Miami Dolphins doing. The Miami Dolphins are trying to to rebuild they have they have made the playoffs one year since two thousand and nine they know they stink. What do they do not if they've made eight moves that were bad and incompetent. I got what people are saying but they got first round picks. They've got second round picks picks. They clearly tried to build for the future. Why play as acting like they've never been a part of something like this before. That is just factually false else. There's plenty of teams each year that are building and tried to retool to get get get themselves competitive. If down the line the dolphins clearly one of those teams. What's the problem well irregardless. I'll tell you this is my last thought. I love this week. I was so happy watch football again. I'm back in it. Super shot about my niners likes what I saw but I'll tell you what if I was in Miami cornerback. I probably call in sick this coming week. I appreciate the call we should call. Thank you so much. Well you just show you not a competitor. That's all and in eight say. ESPN is editing seven to nine three seven seven six. You're listening to Stephen Smith show. 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I gotta go ahead. Go ahead so like just like I'm a big bears fan man so just like my. There's an old old six made it to the Super Bowl just off. I know are opposite suspect do you you think this year's defense can do the same thing for Chicago. Bears Defense could get him they. I don't think he could win you a super bowl but I think he could get you to it. I think you gotta get more production and consistency for Mitchell trubisky and I also think that they gotta get him some better weapons because he doesn't have right now. Appreciate the call man Clarence you lava Stephen Clarence. Oh man you better speak right now. Man That stop talking to your friends and people pay attention you on the air. What's up how you doing today? Hurry up how how you doing. We only got a minute. Go ahead say goodbye man. Let's go to Brian you live Stephen. WHAT'S UP BRIAN. Hey Steven A. I wanted to ask you in a long time raider fan how we're GonNa four twelve team in the NFL has the hardest artist schedule every year and the Patriots who is win. The Super Bowl is this and the Patriots win the Super Bowl the the easiest schedule every year. No who are you talking about. Your heart is casual sir. Who are you talking about the hottest guzzle who you let me explain you look at Oprah. No I'm asking you which team you talking about. Oakland Oakland Raiders okay well. You're in the AFC west. The New England Patriots are in a week division so they automatically got six games aimed against the theory of foes in Buffalo Miami and the jets whereas Oakland they've got Denver Kansas City and the charges so automatically. Thank you scheduled tougher because you've got six games right there the by you know what. Y'All better. Stop being ready. When you call to the show? How no brothers we would you want do Phallic? He was puffing Passan before he was ready to speak.

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29:13 min | 8 months ago

The BTSC Steelers Post Game Show, Part 1: Steelers shut out the noise and shut down the Browns

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what's going on this Jeff Hartmann Cutter of behind the Steel Curtain Dot com, with you for A. It's been tremendous this year I'm GONNA be honest. Every single time we've done one of these post game show Postgame, show the steelers win thirty, eight to seventy beat the doors off of the Cleveland browns dominating fashion. We're GONNA talk about it. We're GONNA break it down. You know how we do it joining me as always Brian Anthony Davis days scofield join US shortly, but Brian knee-jerk reactions man what's up? Jeff. This somberly this one was for miles. For Miles we did it for you man yeah. Yes. The most complete game Zina's dealers playing a while. I loved it all my Gosh five zero first time since nineteen, seventy eight I was a fan nineteen, seventy eight but not good not old enough to know what it meant. Yeah I mean people forget the I've earth this article last week about starting for no, and they had done X. number of times and I think that two of the three times eight done it I wanna to say was seventy, nine, seventy, three they lost the next game until they dropped a form one, seventy, eight, team I think that's the record for seven straight wins I think they went to no yes. So. They're already putting themselves up there in some Pretty League company Some of the people in the live chat still. My knee-jerk reaction was not I pretty today thirty, seventeen win I thought the steelers would handle the Browns a lot of people that do are tse tax we run that article every game day now it's a pretty good article for us A lot of people predicted you yourself. You said a close game. If I was going to be close game, this boils down to one thing for me. Baker Mayfield sucks I'm sorry I'm GonNa. Say it again because I don't think he is an NFL caliber quarterback I really don't I think that he is a guy that benefits from a ridiculous ground game in Chubb and Kareem Hunt will chubs not there. He's going against the best rushing defense. They prove that they're the best in this game, and if he doesn't get turnover meaning, not him at the defense doesn't get him turnovers get him extra possession short fields. He's not good enough I will say that until I'm blue in the face I, know he beat the steelers last year in in Thursday night football week ten we all know all about that game. When Ben Rothlisberger is under center Baker is not good enough period. He's not good enough to win. That's what it boils down to you. That's my major reaction Brian. Yeah absolutely you hit it right on the head. He needs that running game the survive and there was no way that running game was going to help him against the steelers defense today it just wasn't as good as Mr. Hunt is Kareem could not Korean gut careened I mean he could not get it going. So I just feel man it feels fantastic because all the talk everything coming from the browns about how they are for real that Ford one start. You know what they were exposed. They were exposed against Baltimore in. Against Pittsburgh. The steelers did beat a team with foreign record. So that actually makes the steelers strength. Look a little better. On that, all you haters out there that is still played. Anyone shut up. All Right Kyle Smith puts five dollars tip jars had that Mayfield? Sucks Jan. going on August my living room I love that I say it all the time in my house just randomly bigger. Mayfield Sucks Sean Manahan judo's dollars in the tip jar thirty, eight, seven, show. Some respect. Let's go steelers. That's right. Sean. Thanks for the tip. We appreciate it. All live chat is buzzing today. Let's bring in Dave Scofield. Dave. What's going on? What's your knee jerk reaction before we dive into the bottom. Oh, I didn't get to hear how you got started. Well, gotTa say the streak is over. It is over We don't have to worry about it anymore. We can go on forward I can attend whether in person or at his house I can watch a game with one Brian Anthony. Davis. and. The steelers can win. We are finally off the whole thing of the steelers had won a game when I watched with Brian so I'm really excited that Brian got to enjoy this game together and the steelers victorious. Not only that bending, get hurt what I was gonna say the only thing is Ben Roethlisberger did not play the entire game which has happened every time we've watched, but it was for the right reasons this time. All right. Let's let's take a quick sidebar here. We are all going to talk about a lot of the highlights. Let's talk about the bad news and that was Devin Bush Devin Bush left the game with a knee injury. If you follow Mike Tomlin and what he says in post game press conferences in his Tuesday press conference, this man does not like to talk about injuries. He never likes to label an injury as bad or say they're being evaluated tests are being done. We'll see. He said this one is quote unquote serious. That's not good in other words as someone that was a a Hack I. Varsity coach for fourteen years of my life, you have to go through a lot of different trainings. There's test you can do on the need Dell right away if it's something that could be pretty bad just needs to be verified for a scan. Av says it seriously than they have a pretty good hunch that it's bad. Now, the maybe fingers crossed it's not something is bad as an ACL. Maybe it's something that he can come back from, for instance. Something like job on the opposite team today he hasn't I think it's an MC l.. He's GonNa Miss Probably four to six weeks in Italy back. Maybe they get lucky and it's something like that the other injuries. Of Note, were Mike with shoulder as well as markey's pounds you with a foot I did not see pounds leave I guess towards the waning minutes of that game they took him out and put it in JC Hassen our Stephan was could be coming back help in the depth that they do need it with mark eastbound but. Brian Anthony Davis I WANNA. Ask You your thoughts on Bush is injury but also his backup Roberts Blaine who came in what are your thoughts Ryan? Well, I gotTa tell you that that just hurts. But this team is proving to be a whole lot deeper when Bush went out. I. Mean I. could see him right away and I know we had some things going on our slack channel where Jeffrey reported that he might have been heard a couple of plays earlier I didn't see that but I can tell as soon as he went down on the sidelines that there is a problem and sure enough it was I mean that kills you because this guy is up and coming he is very valuable in that team you know I thought he. was really turning the corner as far as being an upper ashland defender if he's out, I mean it hurts more for Devin Bush I mean it hurts the steelers as well but I really I just really WanNa see this kid you know finish the season and do what he can do. Hopefully it's not a season ender like you just mentioned as far as Spelane the legacy goes spelane came in and announced his authority with a presence. Now let Dave take this but the reason SPLAINE's in is because he's been playing well when our eyes aren't on them. Hold on Dave Real quick I WANNA get to mark Davis who puts his what are we calling Australian dollars? The Canadian dollars we have the cannot bucks. What are we calling the Australian please don't do an accident. Brian. Please save with all the pain and agony of your Australian accent We'll think about that but he said he's The dollar. Dollar. That's the reason why go Dulles Medina del. He gives us five Bingo. Dulles is that's the reason why Ozzy fans league other four am what our performances dealers need to five. No Baker got cooked that indeed. Thank you mark for that tip. We appreciate it. All right, Dave go and talk about your thoughts on Bush. Oh, well. Bush? Yes. Let's. Picks clear that up. I'm glad. that. Supposed to answer this. All right. So. Lane. The whole reason he's in there is because he earned it you know. A, lot of lot of steeler fans a lot of people come into season. They're like, oh, I feel really confident with you g three. Some people didn't spill lane got the job but by great play, that's why he's there and then we saw what today with the steelers have been seeing since August seventeenth so good for him I really liked what he did there. It was I mean it was in the second I mean he was in for a little I mean, what was it less than two minutes in the first half and then in the second half? So it's not like the game was really in question or that team was game planning for him. But he he got called into action did a great job. They're concerned about that with Devon Bush because Zach what you said coach Tomlin does not usually say stuff like that and e said a significant knee injury after the at in his press conference so. I guess we'll find out. This is one of those that as much as we think, we might find out on. Tuesday there might be reports coming out beforehand there might be report as early as tonight that they they do a scan and you know how Adam schefters and Thom Tillis rose get these notes from team saying that he's done So we might we'll probably find out sooner or later we might already know by the time you're listening to this but at the time that this is being recorded. Devin Bush were to take a wait and see I will say this Blaine he's old school thumper man that guy he's a downhill player. He's more athletic than Vince, Williams Vince Williams in my my opinion is the epitome of a thumper. He just wants to go downhill inflict pain like that's Vince Williams's game. We know this. Is just as good in terms of Vince. Williams not much different Bush but there have to worry about things like he's going to have the green dot now by Tommy was asked in his post game press conference about who's GonNa help the links it's going to be like a community approach. He's dogged about spelane. He said he was he's over thirty even brought up Marcus Allen as potentially flexing down to the linebacker spot so they do have. Some players of warm bodies just remember people freaked out. Brian Davis when she. For was going to have to fill in at right tackle in has anyone complained about him since Now would me now exactly so I'm not saying it's bylanes GonNa jump in and no one's going to remember Devon Bush. No, that's not the case but let's let's trust the depth for a little bit. Let's see what it's made of. They're gonNA have a tough task ahead of them in week seven, Derrick Henry is a freaking monster but regardless. The steelers had a lot to celebrate guys the turning point in the game I, WanNa I wanNA bring this up because I was the one that's been attacking this guy verbally for a few weeks. To me, this game was over with the browns first possession. Third, play picks I seriously Saturn's like a game I. don't think they can come from this. The steelers were running the football when the steelers can run the football well, you it's tough to beat them. It really is because you just can't. You can't pick your poison I. Say all the time you just cannot guard everyone. I thought megabits, Badger played a great game. I've secondary played a great game but guys your thoughts when Banca got the pick six, Brian will start with you. Absolutely what you said I could not say it out loud. But at that point I know how how Baker Mayfield is I'm thinking to my head. Yeah this game's over and I thought it right away. It's a ten point lead just like that they're going to relax Baker go going to press more they're going to go away from the running game which they didn't go away away from that much but I just felt like it's done. What date. I didn't know what to think because at Brian's house. To start off the game, he was a little bit behind. He was read a little bit behind. He had the game caused and I actually saw that mic pick six on twitter before I actually saw it on the field. So I was just like, Oh, and then but I didn't want I tried not to say anything to anybody. But once I saw that on like if this is really true this this is going to be this might just be one of those days for the steelers I was. My biggest concern coming in was, is this going to be one of those days for the steelers were nothing goes right or is it going to be one of those days where they come out and do everything right and that right there just kinda got the tone and that you just knew the kind of day it was going to be as much as anything. It set the tone for sure it at the tone for sure. But you could tell rurally in this game in the browns look the same way we won against the Ravens that they there came a point where they didn't want any part of the game. It's literally look like they were like. This is a different breed of team. This is a different type of opponent. These guys when Baker Mayfield took that shot at the end of the first half where I wanNA sage debris had him by the legs and Cam came from behind him. Kevlar vest or not dad is gonNA hurt in Kevin's fancy. Did him no favours but before we get ahead of ourselves and just go off and all these rants which is fun but still you want to. Try to stay focused here let's go to the box score. Let's do some grades always do start off with Ben Rothlisberger. He finished the day fourteen of twenty, two, only one, hundred, sixty, two yards. That's a little deceiving already played a good game started off rusty a little slow seven point four average one touchdown no interceptions was sacked twice for twenty yards a rating of one. Oh, one guys you're grading Ben Rothlisberger Woody Rating Brian will start with you. A minus. That game I thought he was professional I thought it was good. Day Scofield I like the minus grade not perfect. Especially, you know early with some of those plays. I'm. Not. GonNa Complain about it because. He did everything he had to and luckily. So much of the rest of the team was doing so much that he just did what he All that was necessary and did a great job with it. Going to give them an A. Those are to start the game. We're just dreadful. I mean a company. That was him no I'm not saying it was a couple of. Years technically reading that play whether he's giving it to the running back or he's keeping it during those throws were a little rough started the game but that's what he checked a lot of boxes for me in this game. Nice. Deep Pass the James Washington for touchdown another nice deep pass to chase Klay pool on the sideline. He's slowly he keeps checking off a box you never air yards as I mentioned on my let's ride this week. Everyone's. Yards all these areas he had plenty of air yards today folks. It might have only been a hundred and sixty two, but they didn't need him to why James Connor carries the ball twenty times for one. Oh one he averaged five point one per carry with a touchdown in a long run of forty one guys will grading. Let let's go to the bench. Snell six carries seventeen yards. Two point eight average did score a touchdown. Nice. Run the middle in the the inside the five. Yard line. Chase Klay Pool to carries for seven yards. He had pay dirt again on the ground. Brothels Burger at three carriers as a team they rushed for one hundred, twenty, nine yards. So let's grade the running game. You can include Connor there Brian What do you think? Let me see the other day was my ex factor for this game, and he really helped control the game on the ground. Bend have to do what Ben Needed. Need to go over two hundred yards, they need to just control this game after the start they got James Connor was fantastic. So I'm giving their running game in A. Day, Scofield? Yeah. I'd even possibly go a plus they had some some other good runs call back on on penalties. and. I don't think that they were the penalties that caused to be such a good run. Like. Cleveland was the number four rushing defense coming into this game and Pittsburgh owned it, and I think it wasn't not just about the running backs i. think it had everything to do with the big guys up front. They did a fantastic job. So that's that's an I I mean area plus I'm kind of torn between the two. Yeah I'M GONNA. Go with at a this. The group is a whole. Did a good job I I liked how they got to get Anthony McFarland some touches there in garbage time I know it wasn't didn't amount to much but just getting him the football, the James Connor. He that might have been one of his best performances running back ever remember in a long time not saying ever because he just thought he read his blockers well, he took what was given to him. He didn't try to do too much and that's when sometimes the ball can get a little loose. They protected the football. Absolutely I'll give them an A. is again you'll arrogance is five dollars in the tip jars is cream hunt. This game is forget it. That's right. Yeah. We can walk that as much as we want and that thank you is it for the tip the tip drill we appreciated. Let's talk about before we go over to the, let's go. Let's go to receiving because that's important to talk about Chase Klay Pool leads receiving for the second week in a row. This week four catches seventy, four yards and eighteen and a half average four targets caught all of them. Thirty six yards was his long James Washington for receptions sixty, eight yards seventeen was. An average one touchdown in his long was twenty eight, hundred seven targets Eric Iran to nine McFarland one for six Juju only two for six yikes. I was wrong with my ex factor this week and the couple others they ended up one, hundred, sixty, eight yards, guys how do you grade the receiving in this game? They didn't ask them to do a ton but Brian. What's your grade? I'm giving them in as well. The there were not. Agreed Drops I thought you know Ben came out I don't Wanna say rusty at the beginning but. Most of those balls, the they just weren't hitting, but he came on right after that first drive and look pretty darn good. So I have no problem with the receivers as well. I gotta give them An. Dave I mean everyone should get a day. It was thirty eight to seven. But yeah, I'm going to give the receivers I'm really tempted to give them an incomplete because they were really caught on this game. I didn't need to be and that's and honestly I know it's not great for their numbers but that's really nice. When you're like you don't have to worry about getting the ball to the receivers. Jeff did screw me over because I figured he was wise with Klay poll last week. So I went with Juju this week. That's like this. It's your. I think you're Jeff. Jeff was. Inside guy there. So I play roles well. Once, you got the right league. Okay I think. I'm going to give him a because like you said I mean when you're quarterbacks only throwing for one hundred and sixty two yards, you're not asking receivers go out there and win the game and those are some of the best games. We have some maxwell come dot vs related to Kelly Baiter look like a lost puppy. Thank you maximum. Nice. Felt hokum differently. Didn't they Brian I think Kelly Hokum from the former browns quarterback at doesn't have any of the entity you know it was with Danny. Okay. Good. That'd be weird but. Kelly holds relatives are steelers. With though he's let's go as my birthday. Happy Birthday building. Area ages seven win. That's pretty awesome. Man I? Mean you think about it they're giving you a beautiful when like that best gift ever. In graduate puts four, ninety nine, and he says that the browns a little brother. That's right. They are the little brothers. They are the little brother. This deal is made a statement in this game, but let's finish up our offense of grades with some offense line talk. Okay. Because we always I always forget the offensive line, I always move right burden onto the defense, but let's talk about the offensive line here a little bit. In regards to the fact that he'll give two sacks. One of them miles year was well blocked. Bend just held on the ball walked into obviously ran the ball. Well, one twenty nine had enough passing yards to win guys grading the offensive line will grade you giving them go ahead Brian. I'm like Oprah, you get an a, you get an A. everybody gets an a I mean really the they held up. They I mean they're beaten down. You've got Dotson Again Week David I were commenting look at what datsuns doing. I mean he was he was moving guys around szucs. Look good. We we heard nothing about Villanueva and that's a good thing. You know you're not hearing anything about filer as well. So there weren't really anything that. The took away from this game. So the only attitude and they've got to get an A.. Dave you're the office of Vine Guru. What do you think? Yes. There was two sacks at least one of them that I remember because Ben probably the ball for too long but I, mean, I'm giving it a plus to that offensive line I. Felt that they. I mean they dominated the line of scrimmage. When when guys when runners are getting three or four yards downfield before any kind of contact that something you want to see I mean. On, the on the Ben Rothlisberger quarterback snake when they showed the aerial view, it showed something a thing of Beauty Dotson was able to quickly get to the second level because Oh core for me. Fantastic. Reach brought block over there to get the guy that was sitting in a gap and Dotson didn't have to worry about it was fantastic a lot of the stuff that I saw I if I could probably go back and pick it up and not. Give it as high but knee jerk I'm GONNA plus. I'm GONNA give a as well because again I don't think those sacks were really on the offensive line. There was one play where I think they just they brought to many they brought to you many players to block and the steelers didn't have the play properly diagnosed we talked about Ben Holding the ball guys let's talk about Dodson for a second. I think that. His game in for some reason, he plays really well with the to as next to that would be marquees pouncey an before. I think we can all say that. The steelers are in a good spot in terms of depth. They don't need David Cat. I'm not saying that he should start over an all pro not saying that at all because don't you think the steelers now should be able to think about, okay. We don't need to rush to cash. We don't need to rush David Cash back. If WE WE WANNA to get him healthy because the one thing that's dealers don't want to have in my opinion is we don't want to have. Dave decastro back for a game hurt again back for a game hurt again, how do you think the steelers should handle Kevin Dodson moving four Bryant services. Right now it's chase klay pool and Kevin Dots in for me as Co rookies of the year on this team because Kevin Dotson has done so many important things. He's played most of these games. Now. Here's the thing Kevin Dotson soon, everything right. Do not rush to Casper. You're absolutely correct. This is my original thought. I'm piggy backing off of both of you guys look don't rush this sky. You've got your future there. Now he's going to be great deputies hopefully you went to Castro back but you know that you've got a future on that line and it's Kevin Dotson. Dave agree disagree. Yeah I think we'll sooner than later I was curious I don't know how bad the decastro injury was. I thought there was a possibility that they might have put him on shirt short term I are if they were bringing. Back. This bike on Saturday I thought that was a possibility that didn't happen which tells me that they think the is going to be available sooner than later because, if not with just three games would have been smart to put him on for this week. So you don't need to Russia. You'll see him sooner than later. Yeah and again, I'm not saying that Kevin Dawson should be starting over David. Decastro Kevin. Dotson has played well. He had a couple of good. He did with on one pool. Go ahead there Dave. This is from Jason La Canfora Harvey Lock Them for it. He's a ravens fan entrusting. But yes but he said the initial prognosis on Devon Bush's injury is an ACL TEAR We'll determine the full extent after an MRI. Tonight. So. That's the national media guide for Yes but he's gotten a lot of stuff ron last year was to chat of it in the live chat. So I thought, I'd try to go find it I'm expecting him to be done for the year if Mike Tomlin Zuma come out in the post game presser and say this is a significant injury. That's bad. It's bad period and I don't know if even said that after Roth, asperger's injury we to of last year I don't remember him saying it was. Significant injuries. So we'll see let's year. By Melanie needed scope. Down the tip jar if Texas could have the titans that was a good game. The Texans were up by a touchdown. They give up for two to go nine rather than the extra point to go up eight they go up the yeah. They do that and the titans drive back down He. Hits Brown Senate overtime Derek candidate has arrested in overtime game over. Here we go. I. Think Miss One here this alive. More dozo dollars. No doubt that tell you. Dollars Cobra Kai. DINGO dollars Mattie several puts five, ninety nine says allawas again but debris DuPrey plus tearaway TJ that's. It's a lot of nicknames we're going to talk about the defense here in a second in part two of this podcast. I WANNA. Talk a little bit more about the offense before we move over there Chase capable. My Gosh guys I mean I did not think that he would have a significant outing this week. For a couple of reasons one, I didn't think the steelers were going to feature him heavily which I don't think they did by the way I. Don't think they feature to heavily I just think that he got himself open. To I just thought that the BROWNS WE'RE GONNA come into this game and say we're not GonNa let this young guy beat us. Not that. Chase will beat them, but he was the leading receiver for the steelers Zach. Megan. Brian. If you're trying to think ceiling and you're trying to think of a player, that's a cop a comparison. Who is that rookie comparison free for you when you think as capable after what we've seen in for five games? Are we talking about the entire league? Yeah. Let's go holy doesn't have to be the steelers. You know it's it's so easy to say a guy like Like matrons from not going to do it. So I'm going to go a little higher with a guy that is in the hall of fame and it's Michael. Urban. Really. Okay that I'm not gonNA blame him I was a heck of overs even I'm not in the. Back, March. That's good. That's not reminds me of them. Really good. Dave. What about you? I don't know that I have a good answer for this just because well, great great. I would I would look more at a statistical comparison than I would actual physical attributes you know and and I mean already this is this is more than what we saw from Juju as a rookie when he exploded onto the scene. So it's just it's. It's very how was it? It's very Calvin Ridley esque in as a rookie to come out with these kind of numbers so. He hits me somewhere. There's a lot of people in the live chat that are saying this Larry Fitzgerald Julio Jones Martavis, Bryant was the one that he compares to. Kind of stylistically as well as stature but. I don't see them as the same. I mean, they don't look the same Arteta's Bryant was real long and lean crepe looks like a flipping tight end that can run like a receiver I mean when he hits the ball on his hands. Love for a defensive back bringing him down by by himself. Yeah. He's he's he is chased Klay Pool is he is someone who can Compare you cant even compare them to somebody else he is own entity. He is in a in a category of himself. He is undaunted. A Dante Harris says he's hybrid as a really good way of putting it he. He's so unique and I could say that we probably haven't seen this type of athleticism and speed combined probably since Calvin Johnson since since megatrend actually did play and I know that's That's tough because he was so dynamic and someone else said decay metcalf. I feel like he's a little bit more fluid than Medcalf is metcalf is seems very rigid in tight but clay pool my gosh. There's no buyer's remorse year. I'll tell you that JK. Dobbins have fun over there and being a Baltimore on In the meantime, we're berated dive into the defensive side of the football. If you're listening on audio platforms makes you switch over to part to if you're on youtube, don't go anywhere because we're not going anywhere. We'll be talking about the defense right after this.

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Hour 2: NFL Story Lines

First Take

41:16 min | 2 years ago

Hour 2: NFL Story Lines

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Oh, not pretty for America's team yesterday. Seattle returned to their old formula and avoided falling to Owen three and eight twenty four thirteen win over the Cowboys. Thanks to a defense led by Bobby Wagner. And Earl Thomas forcing turnovers Dak Prescott and company struggling to move the ball daft what nineteen of thirty four for one hundred sixty eight yards of TD and to I n t and now has thrown under two hundred yards passing for five straight games. The Cowboys are now one and two feeding g. men, but losing to fold the Panthers and this the hawks. Well, well, well, look who showed up Williams Cain, where is he? How show up while we are rain Sean, happy, sad. I'll be here. You show up that don't mean you need to. Sometimes you need to disappear with with the foolish predictions that you make like the Cowboys going to do something. I think he deserves credit for showing up because the Cowboys don't always show up, but we'll okay. I don't find l. run. L. run the question. Have we certainly run. They run too much. I is it time to admit the Cowboys are just not that good. Yes, it is. They're not that good. And in fairness to will and max all of us, we all knew this. Their defense is better than it was, but it doesn't make them elite offenses Ariffin let me say this on a couple of points. Number one, they need to give Zeki Elliott the ball sixteen cares for one hundred twenty seven yards. That's averaging nearly eight yards per rush. Why in hell. How does Zeke Elliott run the football sixteen times? How? How could Jason Garrett and his staff possibly excuse debt. You know what? You've got to accept who you are, your receivers, ain't that great. You're passing game. That breast got like non in the last ten games hasn't even throwing for two hundred yards. Okay, this is this is embarrassed. Last five, embarrassing last five consecutive this is a barrister being a right. The Elliott is the engine that stirred that company off the side of the book. I'm no fan of Jason Garrett. I think he should've been gone. I'm no fan of Scotland ahead. I think he should have been gone. Stephen Jones has gotten on my last damn nerves because he convinced his daddy to get rid of Dez Bryant. They need to apologize to death Bryant and go not good as front doing, say, we made a mistake. Could you come back because of concern, the Dallas Cowboys? They don't have a number one receiver. They don't even have a number to receive where the hell is Allan heard this guy that was a poster supposed to replace desperate. I don't think he's, I don't think I don't think he has been targeted. I don't think he's been targeted ten times ten times. Okay, so when I look at the Dallas Cowboys, this is not even your about your defense. This is about an offense. That is a naming and by the way clueless because somehow someway you can't figure out to get Zeke Elliot, the damn ball in three, two hundred three games he has had less than twenty carries. It makes no sense whatsoever. You know what the brother can do. He's going up there and he's done it. You give him the ball more when all felt, especially since you've proven to being competent in every other area offense, you give Zeki Elliott the damn ball outside of that. You suck it up. You suck up your pride and you you either place a phone call of Goto desk Brian's out and say, we made a mistake because we don't think you are number one, but dammit. We don't even have a number two. We need this. They don't have any threats on the outside. They don't have a good receiving core. They're offensive line is also not what it was and will. And I were talking about this the other day after the show. I mentioned Warren sharp. The other day, those analysis and you can follow on Twitter is an excellent follow. The fact of the matter is they built. Around running back. And if you look at the great teams in recent years, that's not how it works. You can take a great running back. I mean, Todd Gurley, you look at the giants with saquon Barkley. That doesn't mean you build your whole offense around it. The teams that Vance in the playoffs, the falcons in recent years, obviously the patriots every year, the Steelers in recent years, Green Bay when they got there, it's all because they're sending wideouts over the place and it's the passing game. They're forcing you to try to match up one on one and beat you with athletes, like the spread out offenses in the passing game is what's getting it done, and the Dallas Cowboys have a regressive kind of offense, but now they're doing it without great run blocking forget about the past protection. It's not there. It's not there nearly to the extent that has been and you don't have the receivers on top of that. You don't have coaching that's coming up with these brilliant kind of complex game plans to get the most out of the receivers you have. The capital is just aren't very good. Okay. First of all, I disagree. With you max on your overall philosophy? I think there's a, there's a, there's an argument to you dig everybody else zags but hold on for just a second just for this game. The question is, is the time to admit the Cowboys are no good. Here's the thing. The Cowboys are not good enough. They're not good enough to overcome too bad balls. They end up in interceptions by one of the, if not the best safety in the entire game was wearing the wrong jersey yesterday day if there were any sense of going to get it, if there are any since of grasping your moment. Earl Thomas who'd been bowing to the Seahawks sideline while wearing a star on his helmet. The Cowboys aren't good enough to overcome the new. You can't touch the pastor rule because we talked about the clay Matthews hit, but it happened in the Cowboys game as well. Tyrone Crawford fell with his body weight on Russell Wilson and extended a drive early in the game for the Seahawks. They're not good enough to overcome. Randy. Gregory's boneheaded punch a player in the face right when the clocks wanting down at the end of the second quarter to give the of free three points there. Are not good enough for blown coverages in the safety in the defensive backfield from the safety position to give Russell Wilson too wide open touchdowns and they're not good enough for their star player. And yes, I agree. Steven is sixteen carries isn't enough, but they're not good enough for Zeke Elliot to step out of bounds. Before he catches a touchdown pass. They're not gonna present Kelly to fumble at the end of an awesome run. They're not good enough resilient to draw wide open passes. Quite honestly, Zeke Elliott is great as he was wasn't good enough yesterday. The bottom line is they're ill, prepared, undisciplined, and yes, they have a bad offense of scheme. They are poorly coached. That's the overarching not good enough aspect whom this will hear you. They are poorly coach, cold veasley is the third best receiver on a great team with wideouts with a real past. The second best. One on a solid one is your best receiver. You don't have a receiving core, your offense of lines over with through. The team was built is not the same as it was like, what? What? What are we talking about here? You have one win this season against the hapless giants team with a brand new offense of line. And everyone knows you get that team early in the season before the line plays together. Just not a very good team, but to flip to it max is that we weren't seeing these things about it last year or year before the last two years. We were looking at Dallas's defense. We had no problems with the offense of line now understand that it's not what it used to be, but it ain't got awful compared to some of the more horrific offensive lines in the game of football. Otherwise, Ezekiel Elliott wouldn't be able to do what he's been able to do in two three games. The fact is play calling has been suspect personnel at everything, but the running back spot has been highly suspect which brings me to Steven Jones. I look at this guy like Steven Jones, and here's what really rakes my nerves and will I'll get on you about this because sometimes you get a bit sanctimonious in this regard, we talk about individuals in terms of how they act or whatever, and I just want you to know that I'm very popular for saying this. Well, if you're a coach. You can't handle that. Why bother the wounds you coach? The fact that Matt is it can't have a bunch of choirboys. You can't have a bunch of people that total on and do everything right. Sometimes guys are headaches. Sometimes they could even be a bit cancerous, but it's your job censure to coach. You're not somebody that's actually on the field playing to find a way to deal with it in the best situation in the best way imaginable to ensure that the best talent possible is on the field for you. And I think what we've seen in Dallas Cowboys organization is them alienate some of the individuals who have been a bit problematic as opposed to dealing with it to ensure that you have the best personnel on the field. There's only one position group are one aspect of this team. Steven that I share your opinion on why receivables I'm not throw in tied in as well. So anybody that catches the ball pretty much. Okay. That's one. But listen, but listen, the rest of the team. I can't indict their personnel. I can't indict their general managing Stephen, I think they've done a decent job. Here's the thing we all know. Okay. You want talk about my horrible predictions at the truth of matter is I think this team has the talent to win, and I also think you can build a team despite what max says. I still think you can build a team around the running game and control time of possession convert on third downs and keep another teams off the field. I believe all that. Do you know where I've been wrong about the Cowboys bottom line is it's okay and you can laugh about it and I want to take ownership of it. I thought the coaching staff couldn't be worse. Okay. I saw and just like you Stephen a year ago on this program. It's time for Jason Garrett to go. It's time to go, but I thought they could overcome about us is us. Thanks because it's even more predictable. They couldn't be more less inventive. They couldn't put their team in a worse situation to succeed. Everyone is most well, why guys in a position to succeed that was coach there? Why is the coach there? Why is that coach there? It's a systemic problem with the Cowboys. Stephen, Abe brings it up all the time and you're not acknowledging it. Jerry Jones is ego is the reason you haven't won a Super Bowl and over a quarter century. It's the reason this is happening on the same thing every year. Why would it ever change? Well, I don't. I mean, look, if you're right max and I'm not going to say until you're wrong. I can't change that part, but I know I can change other parts and here's the thing I thought, man, I held myself back last night on fire and off. It's time for Jason, Scotland, a hand to go tweet. I mean, I believe this for a while, but I don't think he'd do it in week three, but but here's the thing in a matter of weeks if they don't figure this out. Okay, and they're going to, it's going to have to be one of the most miraculous coaching turnarounds in the history of the league. But I'm talking about the month of October if it didn't figured out offensively here's the calculus. Jerry Jones has to make to your point max. I have to make a massive financial decision on deck Prescott. Now whatever optimism is left on Prescott, whatever. Salvageable, whatever's unknown is not going to be found out by Scotland, Hanan, Jason Garrett. If you ask yourself dot com to sell Dak or get rid of these guys and find out if you've got anything I say. The quarterback get Dez Bryant back. That's not sold data. We saw the first three games. He has a QBR thirty five that's twenty-seventh in the league. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom. My first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance, good. It's it's it's like a cigarette, but not. I don't miss smoking at all. Like I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette Ashra lingering odor make the switch and j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Sportscenter right now, I'm Trevor scales. Now, athletes and coaches manufacture quite a bit of fake haters when it comes to get motivated for games, but the bills didn't have to do that for Sunday. Nobody thought they win, but some dang good defense and some bad offense from the vikes shortage, help them out first quarter bills already up seven, nothing I possession of the game for Minnesota. Third down deeper. They're all territory causes trying to make something happen. Gets the ball punched out from behind by trip Murphy and the bills with wind up recovering from there was a Vikings. I turn of the day. They would finish with three and just forty six total yards in the first half. Now Josh Allen on the other side line was absolutely clown and going up and over Anthony Barr. For that, I doubt Kerry I'm sure just goes told him never ever do that again. Now back to the vice here now down twenty seven to nothing causes Passover. Tapia's Murray gets broken up by Masa, hit from Tremain Edmond and met. Milana will come down with the interception era. Thank. Going wrong for the vice incident. It would lose twenty seven to six Buffalo's twenty one point victory over Minnesota is second largest margin of victory by seventeen point underdog in the last fifty years since nineteen sixty six. That is the second largest win by any team that was at least at seventeen point underdog and nineteen Seventy-three. Saint Louis went into it when as a seventeen point dog at one by twenty two points. Those are the only twenty point Wint now let's get you back to. I take. Gotta love the parody in the NFL. Anything can happen on any given Sunday bills mafia standup buffalo, pulling off the huge upset in Minnesota on Sunday, Mexican big deal or no big deal for the Vikings. It's a huge deal to max steel big as it can be. Of course, it's a big deal. And like you call me the prison, a prisoner of the moment because you look at week one and you wouldn't think Detroit or buffalo would have wins against the likes of Minnesota and New England by week three. But that's the nature of the NFL, but it's a huge deal because the Vikings have everything. Steven, you're getting on the Mahomes you know, on the people who were on the Mahomes bandwagon because look at all the weapons look at all the weapons and Minnesota on offense alone. Look at the receiving core, the guys they got who can run the ball, the whole thing, and then the offensive line's been up and down, but actually down enough. It was down two years ago up last year on defense, look at what they have. The Vikings are so loaded that they thought. Case keenum was a fringy and VP banded it last year. What a playoff game with a miracle, throw it in advance in the playoffs. But we think Kirk cousins, just better. We think he's better to the tune of sixty million additional guaranteed dollars, and then you lose to a team that has been a hot mess so far. And by the way, you know what you got coming up in consecutive weeks now. You got the best team in football. My preseason Super Bowl pick the Los Angeles Rams, and then you've got an eagles team during that game yesterday with a Carson Wentz who's gonna have now two games under his belt heading into that game team that should be getting healthier. This is a huge deal for the Minnesota. It's a huge deal for moving now for the reasons that you think. Kirk cousins eighty four million dollars twenty eight million over the next three years guaranteed. We understand that that's a huge sum of money, particularly when you said that what they had in case keenum case keenum is considered a limited compared to Kirk cousins case keenum seemed to have a breakout year last year, but it wasn't consistent with the kind of resume that he had it. We know how much attention to resumes we understand all of that, but the but here's the reason why you should be most concerned about the fight and it has nothing to do with her cousins because he wasn't there last year when they gave up about sixty two points in the last six quarters considering their divisional playoff game against the New Orleans Saints. And then after the after that the NFC championship game against the Philadelphia Eagles gave up about sixty two points over the last six quarters. Then this was an elite defense until they really really counted and then defense couldn't be found. So we have that. And then now you come into this season and they show up and they get ramrod it by the Buffalo Bills. And a rookie quarterback in Josh Allen. Now, will you look at it from that pursued not to mention fact. They weren't protecting Kirk cousins all day long. So when you look at it from that perspective, you know what teams exposed who they really really are when they fail to put their foot on the throat of and you hear you and that's what happened to the Minnesota Vikings, just a, you know what happened with the Minnesota Vikings. They showed did not that good. They showed that the mental makeup eight what is supposed to be. This is supposedly a Super Bowl contender. Maybe we ballyhooed about them a little bit too much. Maybe we gave them too much props that needed to because let me tell you something about Kirk cousins is a Nemec pathetic as they were offensively yesterday, Kirk cousins, his head that happened. It is consistent with who Kirk cousins is. He'll put up good numbers one week. He'll find a way to lose a game the next week. He'll always get his numbers, but little does he do in in the way of of victories per se. Big moment might not come up with whatever is the reason why he wasn't drafted in the first. Around the reason why he was Wahad RG three initially in the end, what it comes down to is that Kirk cousins as Kirk cousins. We have faith in the Vikings because they were supposed to be something different made up of something different collectively lobby. So that was it. That was lasted quarter the last year I've brought that up to. Okay, but the Vikings were already totally excellent and loaded and many people's preseason pick to win the Super Bowl. And the thought was they upgraded at quarterback and they just lost to a team against whom they were sixteen and a half point favorites. All right. What does that tell that they didn't have Delvin cook. What. They didn't have last year they now, but I'm still he difference the weeks before what it tells me is the Vikings. That's a trap game, I understand, but the Vikings as I've been saying all along made a mistake when they thought that Kirk cousins because they were at this pivotal moment in their history where they could pay a premium because the marginal utility gain by going for because it's worth sixty million guaranteed dollars over case keenum. No, I disagree. I don't know that Kirk cousins. I do want to say this, oh, we've seen every rookie quarterback now, which is interesting week three back in the day used to sit behind someone for three years before you have a sighting. We are going to stay in the land of ten thousand lakes, but we moved to the NBA. We have more drama involving Jimmy Butler. He will not be at the wolves media day today. The start of training camp tomorrow. According to our Adrian religion rows ski wolves owner. Glen Taylor wants Butler traded by Tuesday that would be tomorrow league sources. Say the nets, pistons rockets clippers heat in Sixers are among the teams interested. Stephen, I'm looking at you, where's the best landing spot for Jimmy Buffett's. Two spots is through the Los Angeles, Philadelphia seventy Sixers. And the reason why say the Philadelphia seventy Sixers that you need somebody who can score that does. It require a Ben Simmons setting them up to school other than Joel Embiid. That's double one now j. redick's to shop shooting today. We all know he could really shoot a basketball, but not off the dribble. He's a catch and shoot Connick guy, and I'm not saying. The ideal land spot. I think Jimmy Butler in l. a. market, particularly with the clippers believed to be having the best shot at getting a while even though I'm not believing. That's true. They're going to get somebody because it's gonna happen to cap space to get him in the end. Jimmy Butler is not going to be in Minnesota. He doesn't want to be in. The owner doesn't want him to be there. And I think that Tom typical better be careful because as the president of basketball, he's an exceptional coach is the president of basketball operations. He's on a different page than ownership would ownership says goes, he's gonna have to flow along with that. I got you. Stephen, I let me say quickly, you know what's going on in Minnesota. If the poor man's version of Kobe shack, if Kobe was the old guy because Butler's the older guy, Karl Anthony towns is the younger guy. Obviously, you're going to give the young talent, the money and the older guy with a hard worker, the whole thing he's going to be the one to go. So now that's a distressed asset because if everyone knows if everyone watching at home now knows that the marching orders trade Butler. That means all the time. Partners? No, in two. So Stephen, here's the question. What team is stuck where they are has a back court that can shoot because there's not a great shooter. He can do everything that he's not a great shooter. So he should play with the back court that can shoot if you playing the three or one and a three who could shoot if he's playing the two who has a back court who can shoot hasn't been able to get over the hump and can doesn't have to treat a core of their team part of their team because Butler's distressed asset. The answer is actually Portland, Portland is the team with the back court who can both shoot. There's not quite enough town on the team. You suggested trading McCullough because you got to get better somehow. Well, here's a way to get better. You can grab Butler heap is a two way player play him at the three shoots just well enough defense like crazy can take you off the dribble. Now Portland can contend with the big boys, I think, given the entire circumstance, there's your best bottle and they not on that list a b. I don't know outside of McCullum Damian Lillard if they have enough worthy of Butler to move away from Portland number three. I don't like that because I think Butler would be undecided. The three even do I understand the game is changing. He could play the three. I'm just of the mindset that I, I look at them right now in the shots that McCullum along with Damian Lillard would take. I think that that would serve to frustrate Butler to some degree. I think Butler is okay. Not being the best player on the team. As long as we, he's, he's okay if he thinks the other guys who are working if they're working hard, I think he'll be alright trained by tomorrow. So we'll certainly be talking about an NBA media day will be reacting to all that as well. Gentlemen, lady out bell officially on the market. The Steelers are now listening to trade offers for their all throwback. According to our Adam, Schefter bell remains away from the team with an unsigned is size unsigned franchise tag. Damien Woody back with us. Stephen, I can't believe this is happening. Where's the best fit for lady on. I can't believe it's happening either. I'm disgusted with what I'm seeing from the Steelers organization, but I think that him partying in south beach, even though it was perfectly within his right to do so on, what have you and having that offensive line talk about him the way that it did. I'm not sure it's good for him to be in that locker room any longer as a result. I think they recognize that and and although reports out of Pittsburgh saying that the Steelers have not received any phone calls. That's what the report said. The ones that I read this morning, if I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers or what have you. I don't want him to go to a New England. I'd want to trade them in the NFC which means Green Bay, but was whereas what the best situation for Levy on it is one of those two. And I would say New England. I would say New England because Danny amendola is gone. Jillian, Edmund is coming back with him and gronk. If you have a guy out of the backfield that get past catch like. Evian bell. That would do wonders for Tom Brady and knowing patriots. I told you before the season started told you in the preseason. I dunno, Livia Mel showing up every was he'll be there. You have reports on, I dunno showing up what's his recourse the only way to get paid or get guy. He's he's got to play hardball. Then he didn't show up week one. I told you they should look to trade him. Everyone told me I was crazy and I said, Green Bay should be first in line. Can you imagine in Rogers play action bell, and by the way to leak tackles. Good luck. There's no way to really stop that. It's like playing Madden with Mike Vick back in the day, like him. I go to run my gonna pack. What am I going to? There's no way to stop it. Green Bay is a destination. Now. They'd have to clear eight and a half million dollars cap room. I know it may not be feasible. I'm not a cat biologist, but I would tell you that that's where Levy mbelle should go and he should. And that would make them instant soup real Super Bowl contenders. Listen, I will have to agree with Green Bay simply because when we look at the Green Bay Packers in Steve nee, you've alluded to this a lot. The fact that when it comes to the Green Bay Packers, everything, literally everything is on Aaron Rodgers shoulders. Everything the playmaking Aaron Rodgers have to make all the spectacular place outside the pocket. What was the last time to Green Bay Packers had a running back as dynamic, never lay on. I mean, literally, you have to go maybe about to Amman green as a guy who was somewhere in the stratosphere of Orlando. See a lady on bail. But when you look at a guy like living on Bill in that office, first of all, we all know the type of the running style that he has a patient's running behind a office line that I think most people would consider above average offers a line in Green Bay would take pressure off Aaron Rodgers, not be able to go out there and be basically superman and create all the plates to try to help his team win line him up. He's just as a depth that's been a receive with as a running back. You put him out in passing game. If you're if you're earn Roger. Imagine. Imagine the weapons that they have in the recipient of pass with a lady. I'm Bill out there. Hold on, that will that will be questioned. The question was, if you Levy on bell, we would you would is the best fit NFC significantly tougher number one number two Steelers ain't in the NFC still is an AFC team. They refuse to pay you their franchise tag you back to back years. You go to the number one nemesis for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and it happens to be within the same conference. And by the way, a conference that the significantly less tougher than the NFC because you've got to remember, you got high powered off. You've got to Kansas City. You gotta Pittsburgh, right? We got New England. We get that Jacksonville, obviously has different as defensive. The defensive prowess cannot be denied. But for the most part, when you think about the resistance with in the end within the NFC, the AFC can't compare to them Levy on bell. I'd rather. Listen, but there's no way in the world that the Pittsburgh students would deal. Allerton wing to another running back, look, great. If you had him on your fantasy team and you were winning. Adrian Peterson gave Green Bay fans flashbacks to his liking days with one hundred twenty yards in the ground to scores. Yesterday Peterson is averaging over four yards per carry this season, but max. Here's the real question. Can you keep it up? Keep it up. Keep one up like ninety six yards on under four yards a carry week, one twenty yards under two yards a carry week, two hundred twenty yards and over six yards a carry week three. Yeah, he can keep this up. Sure you can keep this up. This is what a member what I said he was going to be as he could be a souped up Frank gore. That would be excellent for Adrian Peterson. Do you remember when I said that Stephen? Yes. Okay. Do you remember what your reaction was? Because I happen to have thought it was disrespect happened to have it for you right here. Like to take a look Peterson, still a good back. I mean, based on his whole history of expect them to be productive. I think of him as a souped up. Thank gore. Okay. So what kind of team does he mean? Yep, souped up Frank. Adrian, at this point is Frank. Be say, sweat throat, his t. on you could. Coolers body go you, Joe. Let me just say Frank. Gordon is aged thirty three season rushed for over a thousand yards and had two games over one hundred yards rushing. Now he was very good back in his prime, and he was a good older back. Adrian Peterson was a very great back in his prime. And so he's gonna be a good older back age, thirty three. He should get some stuff done even more than Frank. Let's say four games of over one hundred yards. Rushing but mixing will be games that are not so good because he's thirty three years old. I don't care how great you are. You're not going to be the one of the best two or three backs in the game. First of all, last couple of games, Frank goes rush for thirty seven yards on fifteen carries. That's number one. Number two, Frank goal was never. Adrian Peterson. I got mad respect for eight Frank gore, but he was never agent pizza. So in other words, I stand right up frames gore. I stand by what I said when you showed the video and I'm so happy because you've done start at something right away. Then we can. We can ask some videos, Lord, have mercy take by different positions, but we'll figure out one number three more. Totally lately, meaning. Shock because right twice a day. Like I say, now, point number three, the disrespect we've all shown Adrian Peterson and his wife say the disrespect New Orleans. He never had a shot there. You had Alvin Kamara not to mention the fact that they were making the judgements that wasn't the ideal situation for him before that. You know what we need to party was in Arizona's. Well, that wasn't an ideal situation for him. We haven't seen Adrian Peterson in a position where they've committed to giving him the football, and you had a decent offensive line blocking for him and they wanted to commit themselves at least to some degree to the ri- so even though age, obviously, Kate comes into play, you can predict that running back. It's only going to have with so much. I do it knowledge that I marvel at how Adrian Peterson, when he's got some block of t show up on a given Sunday and handle this business. We don't know if somebody committed to the running game and they had a good offensive line what this man can't do anymore. We don't know. They don't have the. Here's a deal with Adrian Peterson, number one, the guy came into the season relatively fresh, okay. He didn't have a lot of wear and tear. It's right. How many 'cause I can sign sign them late right? Number two. When you look at the watching risk is they're, they're running the ball forty, four percent of the time. That's third in national football. They have. They have a middle situation on washing coming into the game. They had to number one defense and the more statistical defense in the league combined that with running the football with Adrian Peterson behind a pretty doubled good offers a line. So no one saying that Adrian Peterson will bother and be like, oh, a Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Viking, what he's rushing for one hundred twenty one hundred thirty yards a game, but Adrian Peterson has been able to do thus for you know, this past we rush for like a buck, twenty bucks agent pizza can absolute okay to ask you this since Frank gore had a thousand yards in two hundred yard, rushing games at age, thirty three. It's kind of like a soup. Up Frank gore, any out about soup, though. Free. Listen, Franko is listen. Ghoulish gore as a fourth bleed is a fourth leader rusher in national football game on Damian Stephen, I'm saying a good like a productive NFL player. He's still strong. He's still shifty. He's still smart. He doesn't have the breakaway speed anymore. I never looked at age Peterson, not to say that he didn't have some semblance of breakaway speed, but you didn't look at him and see Kareem hot or somebody like that. That's the number two, two thousand and fifteen max. Adrian Peterson head three hundred twenty seven carries that was we rush for fourteen hundred and eighty five years. That's the laughed semblance of supposedly the real agent Peterson that we see many carries he's had since then four hundred and five over the last three to four seasons. Total total four hundred. So in other words, the level of activity you remember even before they need only played one game the season before that because he got injured. Okay, and all only point one game the point that I'm trying to make to use the wear and tear on his body. That's it. Misnomer. The reality is he has been exposed better on. To preserve. On top of that, he takes care of himself physically strong like any other player. Peterson wasn't credible. People think they could Koby and everyone thinks they can come back from an ACL and be the same Peterson. He's here to his work, his Jim in in Houston. That's ain't no way in hell. I'm sure Jim would, you know, ain't going. 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We have a lot of work to do here and we're gonna continue to work. I'm proud of the way we're competing. We played three teams. I think that might be undefeated. I don't know, Blake, three good football teams, and we played them hard, but we a lot of work to do here. We'll continue to work and we'll, we'll get this show on road here. Hopefully soon. Now, right is have no shortage of confidence despite owned three start to John gruden's return to football, Mexico. What do you take away from these comments? I don't disagree with coach there. Here's the issue. I know he's got ten years and he's planning for the future and he can replenish trading Khalil Mack. But the fact is guys if they had Khalil Mack, they'd be two in one problem right now. So like, hey, we're coming. So close look, beast mode has impressed me because what I've seen from him is he has the same part that he's always had. Not that I question that, but like it's one thing to have that it's another thing to take guys on your back into the end zone week. One like he's inspirational in precisely the kind of best case scenario where you'd hope marshawn Lynch, it'd be inspirational, do a team, but the team's only three periods and they be two in one. They're not trading Khalil Mack and Steve name. When you think about what you want to build your team, classically in the modern NFL it's do you have a coach. You have a coach, they have a coach, you have a. Franchise quarterback, they believe they have that and you have a guy who goes out and kills the quarterback on the other team, right? Those are the first three things you look for. They got Gruden. They have car and they had Khalil Mack a Twenty-seven-year-old in his prime future. First ballot hall of Famer who I believe before the season began to be the best defensive player in the NFL this year. And so far he has been and had they just held onto him right now. They be considered one of the teams in the playoff two one. I'm not buying what Gruden the Selam and the reason why I'm not buying what Gruden the seller because I think Gruden the selling him and not the team. That's my issue with Jon Gruden right now, worked here obviously profound respect for this football accurate or what have you, but he's alienated some people within that organization. I kind of know a couple of people up in there and the fact that the is that they're not on the same page. He's alienated a few folks up in there. I'm not saying that there's anything like mutiny or whatever, but it doesn't. It's not the same comic chemistry that existed when Jack del Rio. Was there not to mention the fact that you have a team led by God is getting a hundred million dollars that hasn't coached the decade in the six years. Prior to that, he only made the playoffs twice and never wanna. Off game, you're supposed to be some kind of offense of guru. Your offense is ranked twenty eight. I got mad respect bee's MO, we all know how much I love him and his real nece and his competitive fervor. But what do you mean just step away here from being the most prolific, offensive, football, please. I don't know what the hell is wrong with him for saying something like that. I certainly don't agree with that number three debit card. You've made it clear to everybody that this team is about Derek Carr, who's complained about seventy six percent of his passes. But he's got two touchdowns and five in the sections on the season does for this is not an impressive about that. When you talk about the mystique that is rated nation. Listen, they've had they've had Kenny stabler quarterbacking them once upon a time, rich canon core quarterback them to a Super Bowl, whatever win the raiders as in radio nation is at its height. It's when it's about the silver and black, not one individual. Now you might have a coach that personifies it like John Madden, but it's about roughhouse. It's about rated nation. It's about the sylvian black. It's about how we come in that you not how we try to look pretty. Here's what it down. That's the way I look at it right now, which is why max it was such a big deal that you let go of Khalil Mack because if ever there was a modern day player that personified what rating nature was supposed to be about. It was you're not gonna come down to what it seems like to me right now, Derek Carr looks like is he a franchise quarterback yet? He looked like one of the best young quarterbacks football a couple years ago, right? And I think Gruden takes the helm of this team and thinks I see enough there with car. I hope I'm right about this guy and because you're far away, you think that guy Khalil Mack is the guy to move 'cause he's not a quarterback. The reality may be that he chose the wrong guy, even the ones a quarterback. Maybe he's wish casting Derek Carr into being a franchise quarterback. Maybe even though at times it looks like it, they're not quite the quarterback. We all thought he was or maybe Gruden wants him to be, and he created away the hall of Famer and kept the. Guy who maybe does not have the same kind of desperately simply because the position he plays, but we sit up here maximum. We talk about an identity, particularly in the sport of football and how important that identity is. When I think about Khalil Mack and the rate is, I don't just think about a great football player. I don't just think about a perennial all pro was a form of defensive play of the year. That's not what I think about. I think about Khalil Mack and the imagery and the mystique that he grieves Davey on clowney was coming out. He was going to be the number one overall pick and and our great former colleague Merle Hodge came on. I take and said, he wouldn't even look at Davy on cloudy. This kid out of buffalo named Khalil. Mack is the truth, and I have and more importantly, Merle Hodge was saying that because he was pointing to what he does, your football. But what I'm saying, dance stuff changes. The Steelers used to be run the ball, stop the run, and now they're playing spread out offense that changes. That's Sunday, Baker Mayfield and the Browns. I think it'll be a good test to see how they fare against them. Visit the nation's capital, and it didn't go as expected. Clay Matthews was once again in the middle of a controversy after another head-scratching roughing the pastor call. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers threw for two hundred sixty five yards in two touchdowns, but he was sacked four times in a thirty one seventeen loss max. You worried about that, Batman. Absolutely. He's obviously severely physically compromised. Even the touchdown pass through was off his back foot. You could do it because he's Aaron Rodgers. He has a great arm and he was patient and he was calm when the all the chaos was coming. But he is compromised guys. The pack has to sit Aaron Rodgers now because the next three games or against for the Packers, the bills lions and forty Niners. And of course the bills lines coming off, big win, but you should be able to win the Niners without Jimmy g. you should be able to win one of those three games. Now, check this out. The bears are two. In one. They got the bucks fins and pats that to me. Sounds like three and three after week, sick or. After six games, the Vikings are one one and one they got the Rams eagles and cardinals the lions Cowboys Packers dolphins. They're one and two. At worst. It seems to me if they can squeeze one win out without Aaron Rodgers. Stephen a. there one game off the pace with ten to play with the BI week. You're giving them a month's rest. That's what they need to do. The reason I'm not gonna argue about that point is because I didn't feel the way that I feel until yesterday I watched that game from start to finish, and the fact is the weather conditions, FedEx, feel word trophies. Ammon Rodgers shouldn't have been out there in those conditions considering what he was in during when I talked about him playing. I'm obviously thinking about ideal field conditions. I'm not thinking that you're going to have to go up there. You're slip in the slot and it's raining and all of this other stuff. It was a real uncomfortable position of find him. And I would agree with Macs when this one I think we've come to that point with too much money invested in them. You know, we had a great Chevrolet left a lot on the table. So we had a lot of NFL to get into Morrow. A lot of NBA don't miss it. Steeler on the night for you. Thanks village near the podcast. Catch for steak, weekdays, ten, AM eastern on ESPN. 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"If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash get up morning. It is time to get up with zeke after all this time and all this talk. It isn't over and it won't be soon. Jerry drops a bombshell last night. We'll start right there plus. You can't ask for more than this. Kid is giving you this preseason so when is the right time for the giants to hand the keys to the daniel jones. Is it right now and trevor lawrence. He might be the best quarterback ever poor. He might not be the best player on his own deep. Well that and more as we you get up with you on e._s._p._n. A football friday from new york so delighted to have you with us and this is a whole lot of hanson sitting here at one time nique is here. I'll show is back and making his first of what will be regular appearances all season. My quarterback is here are way to the studio. Welcome mark xantia thanks for. It is very good to have you. We got a ton to get to and we start again with the bombshell last night jerry jones. We started dallas every single morning. It seems but this time we got significant -nificant news. Jerry jones is making it clear. The cowboys will likely be without zeke elliott for their opener against the giants nine days and likely significantly beyond that is well operate himself entire expectation tation putting together as a team right now would anticipate now and not having any training and he's gonna miss preseason gonna miss games i just okay and so we've gotten there with just a week and change before the season. Here's adam schefter so just heard what jerry jones says shefty. What does this tell us about where they are. As far as negotiations are concerned. We'll green. I can tell you that they have not made much. If any progress at all the negotiations are at a stalemate essentially each side continues to be dug in in its respective stands jerry. Jerry jones believes the cowboys have a fair offer on the table. Zeke elliott is looking to become not just the highest paid running back but i think the highest paid running back by a good amount and he can make that argument based on producting good. He's been for the dallas. Cowboys and jerry jones knows that he may have to go into the season and is expecting to now go into the season with the regular season opener against the giants with tony pollard and alfred morris is the to lead backs there in dallas trying to hold off and hold things together together until zeke elliott comes back but right now. There's no sign that that's going to be anytime soon and as you heard the man himself say last night he believes and expects that zeke elliot will miss the opener and then some. Is there any reasonable chance. I need to come back to shefty just quickly on this point because we constantly said through this process. They'll eventually eventually get. This thing worked out. Is there a point of no return in your mind between jerry ezekiel elliot here where this thing might not get worked out at all. We'll see here's the thing about holdouts the longer they go on the more things are said the more things become personal. We already saw jerry jones do that. Once a couple of weeks ago when he said z. coup and zeke elliot and and his agent were both offended by remarks that many people found humorous but hold outs are not humorous and they take funny twists and turns to say how it's going to evolve in track. It is impossible to save but once you enter into this position anything is possible right shefty very well. Stay with me there minute. I'm coming back to you on some other stuff but i want to take this to at the table here for the first time this morning domke here all of this. What's your initial reaction. I made it's nothing i know. You said it was a big bombshell coming up with jerry. Jones doesn't stop talking like nothing. He says mains anything at this point. He contradicts himself from week to week. I hope they get the deal done. I actually pick them to win the n._f._c. east and i think they will be better off doing that with ezekiel elliott and they've made them so offers but nothing jerry jerry jones nothing. Jerry jones says means anything at this point. Yes actually disagree. I think we saw the straw that may have broke the camel's back a couple of weeks ago win. Jerry made the zeek who comment and when zeke's agent quick back jerry started reminiscent and he said you know how much i've done for zeke and i think at that point dairies done playing the game. Thank you know when you're playing with your parents and assault fund. Everybody's laughing everybody's kenyan but then they tired of playing greenie. I think jerry has done late. They're not get any credit in your mind for having stood behind. Zeke threw a line of off the field onset a dare. He's not as dead be zeke elliott ball. He's not just altruism of its heart. He's standing jimmy. Hart zeke zeke can play really well. The stops playing really well. Jerry will stop having his back so let's stop pretending that jerry jones has some sort of sank mother theresa no players who played that's why he's fighting for zeke elliott not because he cares about his well-being. He's got two more years on a steal the only time there's a handful of players in the n._f._l. That you even think about negotiating contracts with two years left on the deal. We're talking game. Changers like aaron donald jones throw a couple of quarterbacks and they're not the zeke's not talented but i do feel like jerry went to bat form. There's a lot a lot of meat left on that bone for that contract. I wanna make sure i'm g._m. Zeke in that category because to me. He does seem like the difference between a super bowl team and maybe not even making the play-offs one outlier contract among running backs. Look them up. It's todd gurley other than that. You're getting is good money. Zeke is good. I'm glad i'm on this side of the table. The because i disagree with everything i see your point about him. Having two years of africa and you believe that means he has no leverage. I think he has tremendous leverage because at the end of this at the end of the season a lot of their players including collins. They're going to be free agent holding listen. The reason why zeke has so much leverage because this is their super bowl year zico sit out this whole season and still make money. He's made up to the cowboys. They think every year is super bowl because they all of a sudden. That's not true but this really is. Yes this is as close as it has felt for the cowboys in a very long sometimes and without ezekiel elliott. There's literally no chance they get their. I'm on i'm on your side. He has leverage from classic bargaining standpoint but the one piece celebrity has is if they should lose to division games to start their season the giants and then at washington i'd look and they fall all the way behind the eight ball and that now he's got leverage that what happened happen to women. Smith wanted to find a time the fact that you agree with them. Let's be further no. I think he's one of those geniuses who will not be fully appreciated until well after it. We have much more on that as we go into the next piece of business. That's this guy daniel johns sanchez. You cannot ask for more in the preseason than this kid has given you. He was good last night listen. He's played very well every hurdle you put in front of him. He's jumped over at every who jumped through it but he's not the starter. He's behind a living living legend. We will get to that in a minute. This is a quick look at some of the tape here that was jones throwing over the middle of tate. Here's another one that's eight is drop zone in you. Take a look at this dominate. He's gonna take hit. He's gonna find his man standing in the pocket. This isn't phenomenal. He noticed the blitz and he reacted to it and found a single coverage and connected jones four for four forty seven yards one preseason for the rookie. I thought it was important for him to go through the week kind of like i'd let you guys know early in the week he was going to be the starter. I think it's important for him to go through the week and mentally go through that process of okay. You're the starter beyond that. I wanted to play a few place but going through that process was was as important as playing in my opinion already begun out of that you feel like you know i think he just checked off another box in in his development and i thought he went out and execute pretty well but that would be an understatement. Daniel jones finishes the preseason twenty nine of thirty four for four four hundred sixteen yards. That's over twelve yards and attempt the only other quarterback in the last ten years to throw at least twenty passes in the preseason and have an average that high was was matt stafford back in two thousand fifteen but whatever that is what so i will come to your market. It was my fault. I gave but she will little early on that thought but we see daniel jones perform how he performed in these four preseason games you hear the coaching. We wanted to give them the experience of going through the week as the starter. Is it time to give the ball. Daniel jones in new york right now best case scenario. I think think he sits like aaron. Rodgers like carson palmer. I think that's the best chance for him to learn in a market like new york. I don't know if that's a reality for you. You started your first game as rush. I watched every second but i also wasn't behind the two times super bowl champ and m._v._p. I was competing for the job immediately and i don't know if this is a quarterback competition. It might be in the media yeah but i don't think it is in that building. I agree with you that he's a legend. He's super that's fine. He has some really great defenses to help him win those super bowls but let's be honest eli hasn't has it been great he has ever he's never been chatting to really good super bowl runs and he deserves a hall of fame. He deserved everybody. Let let's not pretend that this team that they have peyton manning aligning his career he saw cutie are it's fifty. Five league averages just fifty million average quarterback who had some really phenomenal run you can't do. You've got to super bowl not not yeah but you're asking us to treat him like he's. Tom brady right way to let him play out his yes. I think there's an it's a fine balance and unfortunately coach. Shurmur has the toughest job of anybody your debate feel like we're having two separate discussion. There's one discussion about just how good eli manning has been and we can. We can have that conversation anytime you want but what we're talking about. Today i think even you disagree that he's been the face of that franchise and handled that well for a very long time they owe it to him to find a graceful way to make this change. Absolutely i think they owe it to him to find a graceful way but i think there comes a point where you have to make that change is happening to all great. You think joe montana had to end his career in kansas city. It doesn't work out that way all the time long. Here's the point. This is why i don't understand why they bring him back this year. If they're going to make this move this graceful way to do it during the season failed during in that move from one place to another they do it in the off season toronto graceful way to would you give the ball to daniel jones right now. I wouldn't because i agree with you. Wholeheartedly you do it in the off season. Just us look recently offseason now. Throw away a whole nother season so that you don't hurt his feelings boy. Stop the u. Two m._v._p.'s coach. I don't know that i would do that either. So that's why i think the mistake was bringing back in the first place. I love more that as we go we do have another quarterback question answered yesterday yesterday while neither ryan fitzpatrick nor josh rosen played in the dolphins preseason finale last night that coats and flora's named fitzpatrick the team starting and quarterback for week one that announcement came after the game and so let me bring adam schefter back into the conversation on that shefty widened the dolphins name fitzpatrick starter <music> over josh rosen pretty simple greenie essentially ryan fitzpatrick at outplayed them during the summer now josh rosen at flashes and played well at times but not well enough to unseat the veteran who was more familiar familiar with that offense and the fact of the matters when you speak to people around lee i think the sense always has been is that fitzpatrick would be the starter on opening day against the baltimore ravens and at some point in the season you know fitzpatrick is going to struggle through some interceptions in josh rosen is going to get his turn so fitzpatrick. Get the lead spot right now. The real question is how long that's gonna last that will last as long as he continues to play well played well throughout the summer made some nice throws in the preseason did that again and that's the dolphins last night made it official which didn't surprise anybody naming fitzpatrick to be the opening day starter against the baltimore ravens. I've a few more questions for shifting. We'll start by. I staying in miami there. Were these reports earlier in the week. They were trying to make a deal for jedang clowney. Where does that stand right now. Well first of all understand that judean clown has an unofficial no trade clause in his contract because the franchise tender is something he has to sign before he gets traded. He's not going to sign the franchise tender right now if he's getting traded to miami. That's not his choice. It's not what he wants. He's met with brian floors but the dolphins are clearly not his preference at this point in time and so it becomes a staredown right now between you debbie and clowning the houston texans because the texans would be interested in open to moving on from him but cloudy doesn't want them moving from him. If he's going to miami he would rather go to a place like seattle or philadelphia or one or the other teams that is called the texans to inquire about his services. Miami is not near the top of his list right now and as long as that continues to be the case. He's not gonna sign that franchise tender with the idea that they're go trade him to miami right now always struck me as sort of a strange move for the dolphins to make at this stage of their rebuilding either way that one more thing i want to ask you when i do this at least in part on behalf half of everyone who has a fantasy draft coming up in the next few days we talked about zeke. Elliott's hold out. Where are we with melvin gordon and the chargers. He's not expected to play week one. He expects to be home home watching the game on his couch and then the question becomes how long holdout less we've been seeing this all summer long green you from the moment that this hold out began is threatened until last into the summer it has it threatened to last into the season. It's going to where he's going to finally when he's falling into come in nobody gino's but he's not going to be there for the regular season opener. When the chargers play the indianapolis colts that's his plan right now and we'll see how long it lasts again. It looks like right now. He's going to miss multiple weeks at the very least nights. Adam schefter with us here have a wonderful weekend shefty and we kick this thing up for real so we'll have much more with you. That's the n._f._l. Story this morning about the college game last night the defending national champs clemson on the field and again. You saw an s._e._c. network taking on georgia tech conference game and we're going to pick it up early. In the first quarter. Georgia tech muffed the punt and trevor lawrence. Did that is doing it with his feet everybody nobody can do. It's good to see him running in the breast yeah so he can run it it a little bit of this kid travis n._t._n. He's backed up at his own. He's got a block. He's got he's got the speed and he has gone yard. Georgetown picks up faster than a lamborghini mark you might know about that carries two hundred and five yards and three touchdowns ringwald trevor lawrence <unk>. It's august game so maybe a little sloppiness here. What's the mistake there sanchez. It's a quick game pre snap read. I think he just picked the wrong side. Maybe the wrong leverage. Concern is how that guy didn't get in the end zone. That was a great tackle well. What do you make of that trick throwing his body around like that in that game. I don't love it but you know he was upset. After the mistake i understand the emotions motioned by the way they wouldn't score so the tackle that making a difference there because georgia tech would turn the ball over and then back. We go the other way. There's a great catch here by thi. This is why clemson simpson can't be stopped. Those two receivers out there including higgins are freakazoids not just mere mortals. Those dudes are go. Get him here. Some advanced stuff for a guy who it was a true freshman last year not a great night for him. Thirteen of twenty three one hundred sixty eight yards a touchdown in two picks but clemson wins it easily in their over and so we take a look opponent is even challenged clemson in quite some time. Last night's win was the tigers eleven straight twenty point win the second longest streak in a._p. Poll history that goes back to nineteen thirty six alabama has the longest streak at twelve consecutive games set all the way back in two thousand eighteen so that's only a year ago so i i i sort of almost hesitate to even ask this question because again. It's august and they don't have preseason games to work off. Some of this rust on the college level shouldn't read anything into the fact that trevor lawrence didn't look great last night a little bit. I don't know that i'd classify it as a sophomore slump but when you come out and you had it is august greenie but in the same breath he's had eight months months to prepare and it's the georgia tech defense. This is mike. We're talking about a stout stout football defense. Oh didn't look totally start but i think we'll get it together. It's got through a quarterback's. Is martha arthur taking last night into account for whatever it's worth. Just how good is he. He's an absolute disguise the real deal. I want to take a couple of steps forward especially from this first game but i i don't think we have anything to worry about the one right before halftime. He's kind of one leg trying to create a little too much trying to trying to make chicken salad at a chicken right. We understand just move move on with the play. Throw it away and get on with your life yeah so this stuff for him to learn and amateur be orders as it sounds even twenty yet he will play two more years of college football press one and another one because he's not allowed to come to the n._f._l. Any sooner but i said it in the tees and i stole the line from you this morning. He may turn out to be the best quarterback of all time and he also may not be the the best player on his own team. I think travis is the best player on that team again. I'm not saying he's the best pro prospect. I'm not saying he's going to get drafted the highest but he's the oil that really really makes that engine go two hundred five yards a ninety yard touchdown halfway through last season. He averaged eight point. Seven yards. Carry average eight point four completion. That's how good he just doesn't get the credit because he's not the quarterback but even <hes> greenie against clemson in the championship game. He's still two touchdowns and six point one yards a carry against against alabama. The students are free. It'll be interesting to see just how often they are challenged in a game this year f._b._i. Has rejected them as well over an eighty percent chance to get to the national playoff okay. We have so much work this morning. Let me get up and go because it's a very busy day starting in the n._f._l. With weight half finished up the preseason throwing a hundred four yards large against the ravens last night mark. When do you think we should see him. Start a regular season game same situation. You know what it gives the team and it makes it difficult in the locker rooms because there's another the option if case keenum struggles all everybody's wondering okay. When do we put haskins in instead of how do we get case keenum to play better. How do we rally around him. It's always as well. What else do we have in the bag. It's a complicated situation in some ways but they drafted him. In the first round. Obviously the goal is to get on the field whenever he's ready. He has stabilized a little after what was as a tough first preseason game. I love haskins. Anyone who watches the show knows that they go to baseball the cubs but very the mets wildcard chances this week they they finish off a three game sweep at city field with a four one win last night jacob degrom with giving up the runs their the mets have now lost six in a row overall all they fall in five back of chicago in the race for the second national league wild card. I can tell you right now. There are a lot of long faces in our studio. We walked in here this morning across the street from there at the u._s. Open fifteen year old coco gov becomes the youngest player to reach the third round of the u._s. Open since nineteen ninety-six winning another thriller last last night three cents chris fowler chris evert on the call and have much more on this fifteen-year-old fina running electric atmosphere koko ga prevails in three doesn't yet know how to win matches it routine fashion. What oppressed you the most chrissy. I think that she dug so deep in the tight moments comments at the end of the third set and her game went to another gear went to another level and champions. Do they find that next level when they're back is against the wall they produce and they win matches and i mean her skill set is unbelievable but just that composure in that mental toughness impress me athleticism had the crowd roaring rickshaws controlled the forehand errors for awhile the served totally went away but she managed your way through but next up defending champ number one seed asaka on saturday. How do you see that well. I think anything's possible with cocoa. I mean if she still plays relaxed and doesn't feel the pressure. She's playing the best player in the world right. Now you know i think she could win the match but i have a sneaking suspicion. Naomi's going to get psyched up for this. It's going to be a hard hitting matching the most interesting third round. We've seen a long time. Tokar said so proud to be playing at her home obviously have that. She would always keep fighting the crowd like it will be broke for her and arthur ash stadium. Look for that one. Thank you guys. You can't ask for more than we're getting from cocoa gotha if she were to beat osaka tomorrow should be the youngest woman to beat a reigning world number-one since jennifer capriati beat monica cells in nineteen ninety-one all right. We have so much till the companies warning. If anyone knows what is like to be in a contract squabble with jerry jones it's emmett smith coming up and you'll hear his take on what ezekiel elliott should do from here plus. How hot is chip kelly seat at u._c._l._a. After a stinker last night in cincy wait till you hear acho steak on what's going on with the bruins and it started with the miami. Hurricanes <unk> gains turnover chain last night moorhead state raise the bar or shall. We say raised cain all that more just getting rolling on e._s._p._n. Get up is brought to you by geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen fifteen percent or more on car insurance and by chase make more of what's yours super-busy half hour coming your way here on get up as we continue emmett smith myth with advice for ezekiel elliott in dallas trap games for big college football teams and don't miss andre ward live on the big fight this weekend all that after this sneaky hembo he would go guys zeke elliott average one hundred thirty one yards from scrimmage in his first three seasons second most in history who ranks. I only one ahead of zeke zeke at the question. We'll have the answer next. You're watching on e._s._p._n. When it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed. 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We were clown him ever since he got drafted number six overall to the giants. Everybody was clowning the dude. He's resilient. He said okay y'all can laugh in my face. I'm gonna go ahead and throw these touchdowns on your on the preseason twenty nine of thirty four. That's five incompletions two touchdowns. You tell me if that's good or not eighty five percent completion percentage. He is a total title boss out. They're excited to see future very impressive. I agree with you completely whatever translates to he couldn't have done more if you had asked at meanwhile dominique. What is something you learned in. This preseason sees pass interference as a scourge on society to be so it's annoying like plays like this where they call pass interference completely wrong and unnecessary. They also have added added the replay which is gonna make things even worse. I think even i hate pairs but we've had awful offers. A pass interference calls this year. Everyone remembers this game. Where this guy called off passengers they reviewed it and then it got somehow upheld is operatives passes bears this terrible we were on the last two years. We were down from fifteen percent down on fasten first calls which is good for the league help. Keep going. We're going to add this view. We're going to be backed up which state and then one more give me one more big picture takeaway neak preseason kind of pointless yeah. I mean i think for guys who are trying to make a roster. I think is important to put that film out there for other teams to see other than that. It's kind of pointless because the coaches seem to hate it. The players seem to hate defense. Certainly don't love it. Many of them will get get season tickets on fourth by. It's a problem greedy. I want that preseason. That's totally point. Hold this because i'm going to put ninety seconds on the clock. I wanna make this the topic. I want everyone weighing it and give me ninety seconds of the clock on that had been covering the sport forever. I've never seen them treat the preseason as completely meaninglessly as they did this year. Pick pick up your thought. I'm saying it's totally worth this. Why i was the guy trying to make the roster spot. It wasn't until my third year in the league that i realized greenie. The roster is ninety percent decided before the preseason. He's an average starts in the n._f._l. The only love language that matters is money so if you're an undrafted guy if you're a low drafted guy. You're probably not going to make the team assuming the starter suppose. What do you think it's the joint practices now. That's where all the owner says. That's what teams really look at. Those become your games look at the rams. They don't play any problem. The joint practices to the point just made and need you brought it up. No one pays to see those. You don't sell tickets to these joint practices. They got to figure out something dominique and you know yeah that stuff were. They're discussing potentially adding another one team on each side to the playoffs which will add another playoff game and not another week to the season and that could possibly make up the revenue but the problem there is if you take way too or any preseason games. That's more money for the team they in particular team. The teams don't split up the t._v. Money in the same way they split up the local. Get that. I'm hearing they're more likely to add to the playoffs in the regular season. Would we be totally against adding another regular season game. Yeah totally. I mean it's hard to do that as we see players like andrew luck and gronkowski walking for the game. It's really hard to rationalize adding more football to the season. I understand that. I don't love the idea of expanding the playoffs either. Listen sometimes if something's not broken don't own this right now. Everything is working just fine cabinet. Give you another topic here. We've got the two rookie quarterbacks that were drafted that we don't expect to start right what the season begins. You got daniel jones again. He was sensational in the preseason for what that's worth point haskins. They put a lot on his shoulders and this preseason he had some good moments and some bad so. I'm going to put some time on the clock here for this one. How long are we going on this one ninety again. Let's go ninety seconds on the clock which one will start an n._f._l. Game first regular season game which one i should start a regular season game. I i'm saying haskins will start the season i before jones not because askins better i think haskins the ceiling is higher but gruden. It hasn't known what he's doing at quarterback for several years now dating back to an r._g. Three got drafted in two thousand twelve then you draft kirk cousins in the fourth round didn't make any sense back then but it did somehow pan out for dwayne haskins the thrive in the fact that washington is an utter mess at the quarterback position has a lot of this comes down to the success of the team. Will either of these teams have the kinds of seasons seasons that will keep their starters entrenched. I think eli plays out the season sorry need. I also think that the dark horses it's not binary in washington panton. I think colt mccoy could play before maybe either of those guys i think daniel jones should play sooner because impart jagran. The reports are taking what haskins the at that spot right. I think the way they better quarterback than daniel jones given the information we have so far so i think they both play play early but to your point greedy wash it has a really tough defensive line and they have a decent defense. They might be better than so. Here's the thing i'd like to. I i need to get to we just had a ninety second conversation about how totally meaningless the pre the seasons and now everyone wants daniel jones to start because you look so good on the precepts which is he walked right into the trick is that we gravitate and we eat the meals that were giving and so the only thing we have to ingest right now is the preseason and so everybody saw daniel jones good but does it matter. Does it matter that he was good. I matters to me yeah. That's all we have before. In any games we thought he was terrible. Based on something you've touched on a moment ago here one more topic and that is the premature retirements if you will of these two star players andrew who luck shocking the football world last weekend retiring at the age of twenty nine this is just months after another superstar player walked away at the age of twenty nine and that was rob rob gronkowski who you may have seen this week very emotional in a press conference talking about that decision so i'm put ninety seconds on the clock again and i will start with sanchez this time will we ever. I see either of those two guys playing in n._f._l. Game again. I think we see gronk on w._w._e. I'd love to see that. I'd love to playing football. I'd love to see andrew feel better in a year or a long two year hiatus and comeback healthy but i feel like andrews one of those guys who either does that or removes to europe buys a soccer team or something. That's kind of how oh yes. Do you think we will see andrew luck again. I think we see them both back in both soon because i think it's an intensely personal decision for these guys. I don't know either them well enough to know but based on what i've heard about andrew luck is he genuinely loves this game. No doubt i think getting a little time away will allow you to kind of rekindle that love and he's a guy who's gonna come back and gronk pretty much after after saying how much football hurt him he pretty much insinuated at the end of those interviews that he would be back at some point he said franchise draft draft them and stash them on the roster and yeah i don't think we i think we look gronk. I think he has nothing left to accomplish. Luck on the other hand. He's still has so much left to accomplish still still has so much left <unk> out there. I think greenie the piece. We're missing. His luck wasn't going to be ready for week when anyway. I think everybody's been so offended because they're like retired on us and he was supposed to be our starter. If he's retiring ring then and somebody brought to my attention he probably wasn't going to be ready for this season or at least to the halfway point so he'll probably take a year off recoup and then come back. It'll be interesting to me. It will come down onto physical ability. Rob gronkowski was beat up about as badly as any football player i've ever seen that's why i don't think he will come back luck. I don't know where we will get himself off back to but that's something to watch the n._f._l. Story as of this morning now we get to the huge college football game. That'll be played tomorrow night. We're talking about national championship implications in august number eleven oregon number sixteen auburn. It's the weekends only matchup between rate teens f._b._i. Gives auburn a fifty three percent percent chance to win. It features a stark contrast in quarterbacks. You got oregon's potential top ten pick just her could easily be the number one pick in the draft next exterior on the other side. Both knicks becomes the first true freshman to start an opener for auburn since one thousand nine hundred forty six and it's a big game for the entire conference of the pack twelve which is fifteen fifteen of seventeen against ranked s._e._c. teams in oregon win could set up a playoff run for the ducks who will be the f._b._i. Favorites in each of their final eleven games james right after this and actually would lift the entire conference. I want to ask you quickly about herbert in particular so much hype surrounding him. What does he need to do to live up to that. He he has to have a solid consistency in your season. You watch them last year flashes excellent at times but then you're like. What are you doing it other times. We need to see consistency from week. One all the way through hopefully the college football playoff through a quarterback size. What do you see injustice. Herbert have unique vantage point on this. I saw matt liner. Come back for his last year at u._s._c. and he took command on the field. He was a coach in between the white lines. He was an absolute stud out there and he commanded that team. I wanna see that from herbert. I wanna see i wanna see. I'm going to this auburn game knowing. There's a couple of plays. That aren't gonna work out. Throw the ball away move onto the next town. Show me that you're that super senior proved to me that you're the top quarterback in this class and i think he can be. He's the kind of guy just look at the way he's built. That teams are going to talk themselves into during the process next year. I still think right now. If i had to handicap and i think he'll be the number one pick in next year's draft meanwhile as the everything sorta gets going for real here. I've not gotten your team's your teams. You believe to be the final four standing for the national the playoff. Let's talk about a greenie. I got clemson. That's obvious but how about george. I think they upset bama third time's a charm. I think they make to the playoff then utah the youth sanchez and i have i've been trying to drive this home and then lastly. I think oklahoma represents the big twelve out of fourteen round at all out. Now people are looking at me. Crazy people people greenie including my guy niki. It's not even a hot take. It's an educated. Take what i mean. If utah goes undefeated undefeated which they should be able to because their hardest game is at washington late in the season then they're undefeated power five team. We constantly talk about most deserving versus. The best bama is clearly going to be one of the best four teams but an undefeated pac twelve team is the most deserving. That's not a hot take. That's just commonsense if utah wins out. How are you going to exclude them. From the playoff bama just lost me freak linebacker and bill and moses and that's why i think georgia has a very interesting question because because let's put either alabama or georgia in that position if those two teams run the table undefeated all year long. The loser of that game has one loss. Does that team get in <music> over an unbeaten utah. I don't think they do. I think you've gotta go without don team. I think that would be harmful. Route that is that's foolish as you would put in over undefeated. You lose that lee when you laid it leaves a sour taste in everybody's now look if it's an unbeaten eaten oregon with a win over auburn. I think that's a different conversation on utah could be an entirely different thing. Meanwhile remind you. This game is on a._b._c. Tomorrow night. You will see the heisman hopeful just in herbert leading the eleventh ranked oregon ducks against number sixteen auburn with all of this and more on the line at saturday night seven thirty eastern on a._b._c. and you can see it live on the e._s._p._n. App we're making a habit of this and frankly. I am delighted. John mcenroe was back. Cocoa golf set the world on on fire last night. She was so good and the excitement level is off the charts. We'll talk about that and more next on e._s._p._n. If you are not paying attention you are missing the story of the moment in sports. Her name is coco gob. She's fifteen years old. She's from florida and she became the youngest player to reach the third round of the u._s. Open since nineteen ninety-six as she beat today abbas in three sets last night six two four six and six four after run the wimbledon she now has five major wins this year three at at the all england club too so far here in queens tied for the most by any woman before turning sixteen since two thousand. She's now also won. All four of her three-set matches at tour squirrel level play this season. She's the one everyone is talking about it and she will play the number one in the world of soccer in the next round. Who was the defending champion. The great john mcenroe has been with us all week terrific to have you back here. You're there. Could you describe it jumps through the t._v. But could you describe the way she sort of electrifying the people who care about this stuff ah stuff to believe that this fifteen year old is a mature physically and mentally as she is. I mean it's awesome crowd's going nuts. She's pumping her fist bringing them. I am into it. Which is you know you look at a lot of the other players like why invade doing that and she's fifteen and she's got it already so <hes> personally my this is what i hope i i don't. I hope she doesn't beat soccer. I think it would be a little too much too soon. I think asaka is is someone who she's teetering lean with her confidence. She's injured however she's defending champion. I think that it would be. I don't think it would be great for women's sports. I think it would be too much for coco for. I heard right here at this age. It wouldn't be a good sign for the sport of a fifteen year olds beating the defending u._s. Open champion i got i understand what you're saying e._s._p._n. On the other there hey we would be delighted absolutely loved it. I would throw this thought at you. One of the things that has impressed me. The most is our ability to battle back at that age right. She was down a set and a break in in her first match. Where does that come from that toughness mentally at the age of fifty. I wish i knew you know when i when i was younger growing up when you made that i won wimbledon one thousand nine hundred eighteen in eighteen to play connors in the semi's and i felt like i was happy i lost. I felt like things happen so fast that allowed me year to reflect. I didn't turn turn pro for a year so that was big for me but at fifteen the way she keeps battling and is able to utilize whatever resources are necessary. Including including the crowd is is very impressive to me. Bob was trying to break her down physics. She's fifteen. She should break down physically at a two and a half hour match the fact that she's uses fit as she is and can cover the court way but natalie be just as strong as an amazing quality so that's why i said the other day. I think she's going to be the best player in the world in three or four years. Sir let me quickly. Ask you then about the one who has been the best player in the world for a very long time and probably the greatest ever and that's serena williams. She lost a set in her last match. We will see her today. What do we expect from serena. What are you seeing her game right now. I'm seeing that she's getting better as the tournament's gone on so. I think that you'll see a better serena williams. She's fitter to me than she's vin throughout at the you know her comeback so that's a good sign. I mean she wants it. She's hungry. She's inspired these youngsters but she's not ready to pass a mental white yet. I've got one or two winter before she quits he. He wants to break all the records and she's you know she's attacking the ball. She's serving bigger. You know the way we normally see serena williams play. I want to get your perspective on this. People people will say to me well. She hasn't won a slam in quite some time when she's in the final at the u._s. Open last year. She's in the final at wimbledon this year. She is still at or near the very top of the sport award right despite being at an age where almost no one ever has absolutely correct you know and i think that people lose sight of that at times you know when you're in three final since you've had this kid. It's very impressive live she. I think she realized that she doesn't have a lot of time left so she's putting a little bit more pressure on himself and that's herder. I wanted to see one more thing here. Can you just give me a quick read on this. It's a little eye candy from the u._s. Open from yesterday and this is just. It's just describe what we see here on. This ridiculous plan match point well. Maybe more fees. Let's take a look at this and look at them. Come on let me see this. Look at this well. <hes> you gotta love it number. One <hes> he obviously is a huge basketball fan. Not that happens when you're up two sets one five two and two breaks you don't you you can pull stuff like that but mantras long considered the greatest athlete in perhaps tennis history a super take on the men's side of this. We talked a lot about the women here. Federal federal expect a deep run from him. Jovovich has the shoulder. Who do you expect to win on the men's. I picked joke if it's before the term but i'm worried now you know. He looked if he i don't know if that's something that's it's a day to day thing but deal to me. That actually would obviously improve roger. Federer's chances quite a bit so we'll we'll see what happens but i still at this moment picking joke richmond. There's an adult. It got a good draw to all right listen. Let's try and do this again next week. It's such a gotta be here. Thank you very much to remember. I take is live at the u._s. Open this morning molly ali and stephanie and max we'll be joined by among others cocoa golf's parents. They'll be on her set. They follow us. They're just a few minutes away here on e._s._p._n. And the coverage the fifty first u._s. open. We'll continue today with the third round noon eastern on e._s._p._n. You will see serena williams and third seed roger federer than seven eastern tonight on e._s._p._n. Began to our primetime coverage will be highlighted by the men's top seed novak djokovic. Don't miss all the tennis here on the family of networks all right meanwhile. Let me get my guys back here for a little fun. The top neighborhood plays are brought to you by applebee's. We do this monthly and we just go through a collection of just fascinating and fun things that happened around the world world of sports and he would go at number ten. Everyone has been talking a lot about this. Guy's carli lloyd kicking a fifty five yard field. How impressed war week. I mean that's is betsy. She got a federal run-up than most feel figures game but it's still awesome bill. I heard i think gusto normal width of the crossbar super impressive even tighter number nine. This is steph curry's curry's camp. What's this high school kid. Anybody can get food. He's on staff minor league baseball at number eight. Let's watch that's what's the catch here to rob. A home runs looking at come on pop up all right. It's baseball ladder back. We can't have that college. Football wagner seahawks at practice like that to feed in to hey. That is phenomenal got. Some were more impressed with that that we were the baseball player. You are number six. We got basketball. We've got memphis his freshman hold on. He got those young need. Some young joints high school basketball. That's crazy as a young richard jefferson once told holding that baby that was better than them on cease play volleyball here and watch you a little rally and just keep an eye on this. We've got the we got. The spectacular okay wow laid out in the other team was celebrating and instead they never gave up number four minor interleague baseball. The admiral assad poodles take down the frisco front seat of his payback phenomenal. That's nice right there. You ever played baseball sanchez. I did that's my cousin. That's how packed number three junior n._b._a. Global championship tournament for the best s. thirteen and fourteen year olds in the world here. We got a half point win. The game winner though what they say the bank over <hes> looks like it is in call bank home games in the league baseball at number two what to fly ball center and this is going to be a catch to save a no hitter. Aren't we got a no hitter going. I respected doesn't deserve. It's baseball. The number one is football again school football to watch this run by henry parish two three four five. I less go home while we doc iran for three hundred twenty four yards monday on get up. Jalen hurts debut oklahoma. Can you make it a heisman actor for the sooners sooners the latest on zeke's holdout. How can the cowboys went without him. And how does aaron rodgers new offense succeed in week one against the bears all that more get up with us monday on e._s._p._n. Get up is brought to you by popeye's louisiana kitchen love chicken. I pop is get up. We are jam packed great to have you. I don't want to sound like the guy at the end of the bar in the morning but i need a drink off. The heck is going on here. Is e going to be running from top. No man stop being so sensitive. You should take his own advice in shut up quite a start. I don't see ground coming back. He'll be back. Let the arguments continue. I love it. All andrew. Luck is retiring. This news came out of left field. Is there any room for legitimate criticism. I don't think so if you're zeke elliot. Are you rooting against your teeth. Thusly wanna detroit lions this year old. Everyone is sleeping detroit. 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The Panthers are 0-2, but it could be worse

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The Panthers are 0-2, but it could be worse

"Text. Keep. Hello, welcome to the keep sounding podcasts. This is Brian joined by Brad in. John for your week three addition as we break down the buccaneers talk a little bit about what happened around the NFL and drake down the chargers game. So John, are you doing right now the? Divine Brian. Are. You break I'm just wonderful. Brad how are you? I'm good I'm glad you asked. Sorry for making you wait eight minutes before. The call eight minutes I don't know how you did we yeah. You're a trooper Brian Yeah I. Just I learned how to meditate man it's great. Lot of screaming. Good Italian medicine. Yeah. It's real real really calms the nerves schizo some stress out you know. Sit here in shout out my window for several minutes. COPS showed up it wasn't it wasn't very pretty but. Anyway. Yeah. So the panthers play football game on Sunday if you didn't check out if you didn't hear about it last week and he didn't check it out this past this earlier this week. Bradley I have started the BNB reaction show where we kind of split off that we were not going through to whole games in one show. So if you WANNA hear Brad is more in-depth thoughts on the subject. You can check out that episode but John but John. Hasn't got to share his thoughts. So John. Are. You Ready to apologize about letter for No. He's still not a good player Oh my God I told you about he doesn't listen to us. We tried to tell him last week. Leonard. FOURNETTE IS A. Faint player of you both of you were very heavily. Arguing. Because player. But no. A bad players have good games. The first time ever had a game it just I mean he didn't really do anything until I think he had to carries at the end of the various game you have the long touchdown obviously. If bad players have good games doesn't that make them turn into good players? If they consistently have good games. Yes. If. They have is the most productive Jaguars player last year and he even without. Run he's. Highest average per carry on the buccaneers on Sunday. I remember because I was looking at the Vasco because as the game was going on and it became clear that they were going to be on him down the stretch I was like man ask player. Well they're obstinate options, Ronald Jones is not exactly the world on fire either but As like I'm GonNa really hate Linford breaks off a big run because I'm GonNa have to hear about this on Tuesday. And he broke off like well end because I remember because I specifically remember he had like nine or ten carries for like yards and I was like so far so good and then he broke off a run for like fifteen or twenty and like well there goes added in the last carry he for forty six yards such like well well. There's the that's what I was waiting for. And that's wrong. Sometimes Sean. You know I mean I all the time so Totally Think. I will. A proudly stanch. Face this one game. Well fine. What are what are the thoughts you have about the about the game? Tom Brady. Doesn't look good. I agree. That We joked about layoffs gonNA live to the panthers and everybody's GonNa say he's washed and stuff and. We've talked we kind of talked about this last week where he kind is, but it got mass by how good their defense last year and the excuse was other office of line bazzar skill positions bad everybody else's bad. But Tom Brady just doesn't look good. He had especially in the second half. He had like three or four throws step into the throw and throw it in the dirt. He also under through a flea flicker that should have been a touchdown but because he under through it, it wasn't. A badly into through to. Stop run back to it. But yeah they're. Like I said in the second half in particular. Throw. If he did. Particularly Watching him like, wow, these are not good throws. He's got time in the pocket and he's got an open receiver and he's stepping into it and it's landing at the. End of the dirt. This is not not they should just kept Janus. Yeah I think Brady's at this point in his career where he would be better off in an offense that doesn't throw the ball as often as Tampa. Bay. Were at least. So the ball downfield as often as Tampa Bay like honestly I mean I hate to say this because I'm a parent I'm supposed to be a panthers fan, but he'd probably be better off in a system like Matt rules. Bridgewater's not pushing down the field more than once or twice a game like let's be real here. So. I was GonNa, say that it was I did think it was always kind of a weird fit with him and Mike Evans a particular. Chris. Godwin kind of matches up with Brady skillset really well, but Mike Evans. Is just like his his his go skill is go far down the field throw to you and you're going to be bigger than the defensive back and Tom. I think over the course of the season I don't know how well those who are GonNa. jive consistently. Yeah I. Agree I think it's also just a matter of. that. Offense requires your quarterback to have more of live arm like Jameis. Winston was actually a good fit it even though he threw somebody goddamn interceptions. He would have been a good fit if he didn't throw it to the team so much. Yes. Yeah. But other than that. Yeah he was. He was like exactly what brassieres wants because he's aggressive and he throws bombing assailed. He's got a good arm stuff. Yeah. So you know it is what it is. The panthers lost I mean we broke it down for the most part but really it was just the the buccaneers are more talented team with more pieces that know each other and a better defense and a better offensive line. Independents turn the ball over four times and the panthers turn the ball over four times including a really stupid fake that we already went over. But that was the fifth. Yeah. That would've been a fifth. If you've got the rundowns 'cause bridgewater had three Anderson at one, and then there was the. Teddy turned the ball over three times. Ten three turnovers. Through turnovers. Teddy to fix. The panthers part of this is skewed because the panthers got rack much coverage I'm yards, but the panthers outgained bucks an average mortgage played in the bucks. and. Teddy Teddy ended up with what? Three, hundred, sixty, seven yards. Passing. Yards Panthers quarterback since Cam Newton did it three times in his first four games as a starter before decided to not do that anymore. Yeah I don't know why we do that but. We'll get to him more later share. Ears talk about again. But yeah, I would say the last thing we probably want to cover about the bucks game is Christian McCaffrey. That sucks even though even though as a unbiased observer and Brad and I did discuss this a little bit towards the end of the last podcast we did. But. Knowing. The panthers are not going to be good most likely not go anywhere and probably. It's probably better for them to lose. It still sucks to not be able to watch. Christian McCaffrey Bland it's still something got her. It sounds like it's what a high ankle sprain I think they said. Yes he'll be out several weeks. I would say probably at least what four. To six as. Like that's four to six weeks is the given timetable table I'm sure he said he's GonNa. Try to get back sooner if anybody will be capable of coming back centre McCaffrey but I don't really think we should push it. They should put him on injured reserve because you can bring. Three. Yeah because you can bring it back after three weeks due to twenty twenty being twenty twenty and just you know add Reggie Jonathan to the roster and just protect Christian. McCaffrey from himself. Little. Will Inside Information Pantley Reggie Bonifant. Very nice person to talk to. Betty he seems like a nice guy. I didn't meet him. On. A first connects. Talking today so nice. Yeah. Well, it's probably good that we he didn't meet you since he he may have heard about all the shit we talk about him. I'll have to say about him it. Just you know I think it's more. We have that things to say about the community of Panthers fans passing say about what other people say about him it's not Reggie Bonifant. That's the problem it's. Over hyped. Yeah. Because he is he is a decent average NFL third-string or second string running back. He's not bad at all but he's not. He's not the next coming of Christian, McCaffrey We shouldn't. We shouldn't treat him as such. He's like Christian McCaffrey. If Christian McCaffrey were like a beer, he's like the knockoff version light beer version of it and when I say knock off, I mean like task boxer. Yeah. Like bucks for like thirty. It'll be bad without Christian McCaffrey, which Kinda he said in long run might not be the worst thing in the world. just in terms of a we're to now and I don't like to be the fan that roots for losses and roots for graphics and stuff, but it does get kind of exciting thinking about if this keeps happening like to have a cool young quarterback to refer especially watching with Justin Herbert did yesterday Joe Boroughs Insofar. Yes. So there's that to look forward to and winner in position to. Possibly have trevor, lawrence or just in fields like we're both of those are realistically and play. On the injury I didn't. With thing about his injury was why can watch it in slow motion and it doesn't even see where he heard it. He didn't get brought up on us. It was like a real quick tweak. It didn't look. He didn't any weight put on it or anything like people only do when they get high ankle sprains I think he just hit the. Unquote hurt then. Yeah. He's injured and I'm doing the quotation mark. Yes. Sure with my answered. I think he hit the ground the wrong way. I'm sure as I believe wanting to have had several leg injuries John but he looks like he just GonNa hit the ground real hard when he was going into the end zone there that can easily do that. You have to watch it again I know I've liked twisted my ankle. Spray. But you get like low ankle sprains when if you get hit hard enough like if it's up in the air ball or something ill, the force Kinda Jar I, guess you can do the opposite if you hit the ground really hard. Yeah. So now, go round with NFL I was GONNA. Let's do that. We start with the Falcons. Falcon. Falcons of ever falcons. Jodoin. Not Falcons fans like we might be sitting. We might be staring at a season where the Panthers Winter Games but God. Damn. It's feels good to not be a falcons fan and is fully full disclosure. The Falcons are gonNA. Probably beat US twice because they seem to always do that. But I just I feel sorry for Falcons fans especially the few that that are friends of the program. Jeanine Dwi in particular I feel I feel sorry for them. They have to endure that all of the damn time. So and we've won they came out so. They did the Ron Dan Quinn did the Ron Rivera and won a bunch of meals games. I'm a stretch, save his job, and then they come in week one against the seahawks and do lay an egg says go well, whatever seahawks are good but Sunday. My my real quick story of how I heard about it was I left my house to go to a softball game and the Falcons were up by nine with the ball and like five minutes left. And at my game teams like the cowboys won what? It is impossible for the cowboys have won that game. But they did. They did. You, absolutely as Saudi kick, right? Yeah. My favorite thing that has ever happened in the NFL. The whole hands team just forgot what the rules are like. You don't have to wait for to go ten yard. You just go pick it up. You don't have to wait for the. Only team that has to let it go ten yards. A lot of people don't realize that apparently the whole hand seemed it. Here's the ball slowly roll to the line with the cowboys player ready to pounce on it as soon as it hits the line I thought maybe it would go out of bounds and they would get it would be a penalty but I mean why would Take that chance. Yeah or maybe like they're going to get hit if they try to pick it up and touch it but just grab it. You guys perceive those like videos where it's like maybe a dog or a cat or like the dog or the cat something happens in like the dog or the cat can't really process they just kind of stand there and then you see like. The DOT. Is Not working or something like that or a bunch of question marks near their head. That's like exactly what happened to every single one of. You to see a bunch of Goddamn question marks over their heads as they're frozen and place. It was amazing I. Don't know if it was got hands on red zone or if it was the broadcast calling the game, I, want to Scott Hanson but. He was commenting on the players happen which is like, yeah, they're gonNA. Gone side kick and that's Oh. That's not a good one. Oh, go away they recovered. Because it just slowly rolling to line and that's just like, oh, that was a dud but no. were, recovered I do want to say I think there I think it's young who's fault. Because they recovered because here the game they have what three. Cy. Kicks Eric over the last year in one game. And then they recovered one in week one as well. So maybe it's not actually his ability to kick onside kicks. It's just his presence in the stadium that makes onside kicks recoverable. He's cursed. For both teams? In. Other tangentially related Panthers News Cam Newton is not dead. Who would have thought? Man I was on that on twitter that when I'm shocked. that. Athletes in his early thirties was able to heal from an injury two years later. I was told I was told that his shoulder was broken forever and his foot he hell of a throw to Julian Ataman Field I. think it was like fifty yards or something like that. Fifty five yards air. What am I my buddy, our friend of the show. Spencer. Messed me. He was like Holy Shit and I was like I told you he's not dead. I don't know where all this came from, but he's not fucking dead Yeah and I never understood why was so everybody was just so certain that is just like. His arms just gone forever because he had shoulder surgery. The this is my series of tweets from the cat scratch reader handled follow us on twitter if you're not already but I finally tuned into the game and Tweet, it's always fun watching Cam Newton play football and. The twitter verse like that. Then I said I'm wondering if Mike. Shula. Kidnapped Josh mcdaniels Just wore a mask as oc all day nobody noticed after that. Third and third into where they ran like the option play or something like that. hold the fence just converged on camp. and. Then I said just letting Cam Cam who would have thought that would work and that was as. The Patriots really starting to like get back into it, and then on that drive I said Witness Cam Newton and then thirty seconds later was that fourth-down plant stuff and I was like. Yeah three, three, hundred, ninety, seven, passing yards, nine yards attempts, and then forty seven rushing yards rushing touchdowns. But he didn't get the one that mattered. Get to ask the most but. I mean I was happy I was happy for him and hopefully that hopefully the Patriots Kinda see that they're like you know let's let's let them swing a little bit because I think he's always He's always been held back by this coaching staff. Here's reluctant. Hits the three best games of his career being the first four weeks of his career. It also doesn't help that his best receiver is Julia Donaldson. The next guy, the next bunch of guys are a bunch of scrubs. It's like it's like all the. Excuse me. You put some respect onto mirror demere bird. I was GONNA say. It's almost like all the issues that followed that Cam Newton hadn't Carolina why he wasn't successful consistently as far as being a winning quarterback goes just followed him to pay New England. Issues are you referring to specifically well, not mirror specifically in fact I actually burden I think the Patriots no I know what you mean though because it's like. Hey Cam we got out of Carolina so wants to go join the Patriots where your best wide receiver is a a former superstar that's getting very old and you have a pretty shaky offensive line and no running game. The Keel her Harry is like one of the least. Wide. Receivers I think I've ever seen in my life. That Guy Not Braverman. Can play yeah. He's a little bit faster but like yeah, he cannot break a tackle like if you got him like if you got him sized up in the open field, he's going down like it's just happening and it's funny because he's very large to. See what else we got going on around the NFL. Oh. Former. Panthers. One more time to just really bash heads on a harrison butter hit three fifty yard field goals to win the game in a row that made me so mad. He saw that Brian Yeah I did see it and I was actually board to. Out there, kicking fifty eight yard field goals with the game on the line like I'm like. Unloading. The. Dishwasher. Like. Go home again. To do this I wanna go home guys I remember a message the message one of my fantasy football group chats was like by the way just so you guys know Harrison Butler was selected in the draft by Carolina and none of them realized that. God I hate my life so much. Penalty. Reminder we cut that guy. To. You know. We. We cut that guy to keep Graham Gano and pay Graham Gano ten times more in salary I thought the. Roster and then just kicked him to the practice squad. Yeah. But you have to cut them to put him on the practice. Packing garage. Eighty once once they're on the fifty three man roster, you have to cut them to put them on the practice squad. Enough either way you can get they can get signed off the practice squad. So they're. Saying like I I actually I, actually thought it was even dumber to put him on the practice squad than to just outright cut him because at least. Because then you're just like you're just hoping nobody fucking snipes them, which, of course, the Kansas City chiefs did Zim. Yeah. So that was cool. A lot of you know, but we assume granting. Kicker and now we have a kicker who can't make extra points. You could hit those fifty eight yards though but he can hang it from fifty eight. He just can't hit it from thirty three. Yep. At least at least we had the falcons doing their thing and then the saints lost in pretty devastating fashion on Monday night football. So that was good for the the whole. That did make me feel better about the panthers week one loss to the raiders because that means the raiders are actually a pretty good team. Yeah. They actually do good and obviously the buccaneers are pretty good team. So you know maybe they're not gonNA look maybe maybe we'll have a couple of games this year where Carolina will actually. Look like a good football team. Now, this is the one year that we want the team to not be so good and we want him to lose. So of course, this'll be the year than everybody else in the NFC south is also garbage and we're gonNA, win the fucking division at six and ten or Seven nine or some shit again and go to the playoffs and not get a good draft pick. Yeah. That would be hilarious actually. It would be funny tied into others. Other Charlotte Sports. It's like the Hornets finally jumping up in the lottery to get to the third pick and what might be person draft, of course. Elsewhere Justin, Herbert. I was surprisingly good I didn't expect can be acting so fast. Yeah. He's the one that he was the one that the analytics nerds on facebook on twitter and facebook and wherever lying saying he's not a good quarterback like why? Like he seemed to be another one of those classic cases of like a quarterback with like the raw talent to be an NFL quarterback where he's being way too great away to well, I mean to come out and play that way against the defending super bowl champions. The reigning defending Super Bowl champions is is pretty good. I mean it's it looks it looks to me like it was a good pick at least anywhere. On the other end of the career spectrum Adrian. Peterson, somehow the lines of US running back he's like forty five. Yeah. Ridiculous. Peterson's not human. Frank or still playing two. Little Tidbit I thought was funny and then I have one more question for you guys take a break. Titan we're tied in scored a lot of touchdowns this week I don't know if you noticed that Tyler Johnny Mathis around us with a to Jordan Reed who some for some reason still playing football also had to any place with forty niners now in tyler he had three. Good Day to be an average tight end. Apparently. And then the bills are actually good or do you think they're just getting over hyped because they beat the teams in the NFL I think they're over hyped. I think they're good but I don't think they're as good as people are saying. Basically like they're they're going to have a winning record like probably be like ten and six eleven and five, but they're not. They're not the best team in their division. Yeah. They're not. They're not as good as the Patriots. I've just seen. A headache like Buffalo Buffalo's legit this year in it's like. They have a plus thirteen point differential with wins over the JETSON. The dolphins like maybe they ended up being good. But let's pump the brakes till like they beat if they play well against the Rams Raiders Titans at chiefs over the next four weeks then yeah alcohol them good but. I think they still have an elite defense. I also, I like even though Josh Allen is still doing Josh Allen things. I did like his performances over the last couple of weeks. As a quarterback like you do see a like a clear progression on his end he still going to be. He's still going to be good for a couple of those what the fuck you doin' Josh Allen plays. I think they're pretty good and I. DO think they're better than the Patriots from top to bottom aside from their quarterbacks Just, like in week one where he threw that ball like fifteen feet over the head of he's the only player and. He somehow through. The. Was the end zone. And it wasn't just Oh, he didn't quite get to it. He threw it into like the eighth road fuck. Over Line. If you saw the play after the the play after he did the thing where he ran backwards ten yards and in through it off his back foot into triple coverage and only reason it get intercepted was because there were so many defenders around the ball that they got in each other's way. Love Love. Josh Allen he said he suchit rollercoaster on a play by play basis I could not root for a Josh Allen Team I just couldn't do. My heart wouldn't be able to handle. I. Don't eat tunes every week. He's fantastic entertainment from an unbiased neutral observer but I don't know how bill bill fans convince themselves. He's the second coming but. I don't know how I would do it. We'll bills fans have also seen some shit. So they kinda they they're kind of used to it. Yeah. But that's all I had from from around the NFL. We'll take a break I think that's a good idea. and. We'll talk about the chargers. 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The panthers play against the chargers this week, which I would argue as a winnable game who the heck knows because Justin Herbert just almost beat the chiefs on. Sunday? Well the thing is, is Anthony Lynn came out and said that. Is, still there starter as long as he can play like I don't know why he said that out. Loud. Because they should just roll with Justin Herbert because he's clearly good. and He needs the reps but we might not see just in Herbert. It might be tyrod. Taylor. Who is not a bad quarterback? Who is not a bad quarterback? Doug quarterback either. But he's not a bad quarterback. He's got a pretty good set of weapons. They're finally I mean I. I I can't remember the last time tyrod Taylor played on a team that actually had like decent weapons form. He's got Mike. Williams there. He's got a Keenan Allen They got Hunter Henry at tight ends. Alan Hunter Henry are actually healthy. We, pray for the first time and Forever. New Record of. Weeks with both. Alison healthy for a while. But yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. What happens when you get Philip rivers off your team suddenly not all your players get hurt all at once. Filled I. Now. I know would like it was funny. We talked about this last week but how the chargers and colts fortunes just flipped when they win. The. Switch teams. Yes. Real. Quick. Have you heard any of lens comments on the quarterback thing? No the only thing I saw was where he said that tyrod was their starter as long as he was able to play. Yeah which. I guess is fine but the quotes like you said, it's quote that I just read is kind of. Weird. Because I I don't know. So he could have made some Played well under the circumstances he could have made some different decisions here and there, but I thought he stepped up, we need them to engage us a chance of Toronto's not available I. Think we can win with him. There's a lot. You don't know there's a lot that we didn't get done with Justin on the field. He's a backup for a reason he's a rookie and there's a lot he needs to about this game. which wants very. It just it comes across as very like this. This guy hasn't done as time yet he doesn't deserve to be on the field and not like you know what I mean. Yeah Like there's if 'cause it's very hard to argue that Justin Herbert didn't play well, I think obviously wasn't perfect but they have over nine yards and attempt into three hundred yards and he ran any sort of touched on the ground to like against the chiefs. Who Champions like. Zero. Yeah. And so I think the. I think the easy thing to say is just like just say you're going to evaluate or to say starter. Comments About Justin basically kind of like nagging him like, yeah he was fine. But not good enough yet was kind of weird especially considering how much he outplayed. To retailers I start the season. I have understood those comments. If it was like last year, it was kyle and they were talking about not a quarterback. You just drafted at the top of the first round. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's your future why are you shitting on it and I could see I could see some validity to those comments because they're obviously any time you have a rookie signal caller back there on their first start there's gotta be things they miss and there's GonNa be shit they don't do right that you don't necessarily see as as an observer. Calling plays and stuff like that for fuck sake man like here's your your charge your poor chargers fans of the dealt with enough over the last few years. Why don't you just like throw them a bone and be like, yeah the guy we draft his pretty damn good. Yeah, just say like. Not. Sure if he's ready to handle the job fulltime yet so we'll evaluated going forward but for now, we're going to operate as though Terada still are starter you know. Play both sides without shitting on just in her? As living yeah he was okay but not good enough and they're still. It came across like I said either this kind of. Reluctance to give credit to a young player or you know allow your employees to move up in the depth chart and it also kind of this stubbornness like I said to. Ron. Taylor, is our starter in that means to raw Taylor are start trust me I made the right decision. I hate when NFL coaches get like that. Yeah it's almost like Ron Rivera. If Ron Rivera wasn't so good at like not really speaking out about stuff like that in his mind like like because I know at some point Ron Rivera's career he was thinking that when he was in a press conference about some money maybe halfway or something like that. Christian McCaffrey was a much better. Don KNAPP sinise just like no trust. Me Guys he I know what I'm doing. John Stewart as the starter it. Yeah it's it's as if like Ron Rivera went off like unhinged about that rather than like do keeping that close to the vest just saying what was media-friendly like he usually did. Yeah. So those are weird comments and I'm sure I'm not GONNA do it why? While we're on the show here but I'm sure charters fans are probably not huge huge on that common although started fans really like Lynn as a coach at this point. But especially, because there are other blown and stuff, they've had last couple of years. Yeah. They need to get themselves. A Matt Rule. Maybe. Maybe, that'll work form I. Don't know So would the chargers also lost They lost a cup. They lost it. What's his face safety? Dammit, what is his name I can't think of it right now I'm going to have to leave it on your Brian. I'm going to have to look it up on. chargers safety injury doo-doo-doo. Doodoo. James. He's been out. Yeah. Is He? I just saw this week because he mentioned that they were talking about a bunch of injuries and listed on there talk about. Hasn't been easily at all season. Okay. But how heartless? Have a pretty good defense. That could be a problem on. They, do seem to I mean. I fear for our tackles are going to perform. against. Ingram and Bosa. Up They also got Lindvall Joseph who was one of the more underrated defensive tackles since he came into the League. Boso. which boasts says the one that's out for the year is that the one? The one of the litany of forty niners players that got hurt. In then before and ours are saying the turf Seoul Okay I was just making sure it wasn't the one for the chargers because I know there's two boasts now joe is actually not hurt for once. Okay. Yeah, they also have on the on the sides for the corners they have Chris Harris who has always been one of the best corners in the League he's getting up there in age now but alongside Casey Hayward Junior. So those are. And Desmond King Yeah and Desmond King. So they that second is pretty good. So I don't know if we're GONNA. See the same the same passing production this week against them as we saw in the last two weeks but. I mean who knows the panthers passing offense is one of the few things that's actually been cool to watch is that they do they do some different things and they don't just. You know POW. They don't just run the same stupid routes all the time. Like the twelve yard out route fifteen times a game. Nessa the well, they help Patrick Mahomes to. Top three hundred yards but it's looking forty-seven attempts. He only six point four yards per pass attempt which Patrick Mahomes in the chiefs is insanely low. I. And a lot of that kind of came at the end when. Teams when the charter started kind of play in this. Safety fence to let the chiefs move the ball but hopefully, not too fast and it didn't work because it never does. But prior to that mahomes was not comfortable at all, and if Asterik Mahomes is struggling with tyreek hill, Travis Kelsey and all that I don't know how well Teddy Bridgewater is going to do with out. Christian McCaffrey and Robbie Anderson Dj more. I can give you a good estimation. Not. As Patrick Mahomes. As probably a safe bet that teddy bridgewater will not. will not play up to the standards set by Patrick Mahomes. Take the chiefs to overtime when we Rookie quarterback making his debut on like thirty minutes notice. And All that stuff I think I don't know how many points the panthers are not going to score a lot of points. And be a boring game. Yeah and we haven't even talked about the fact that it's in Los Angeles like we we have to go to the west coast. So yeah, that's going to affect things to. McCain even make we will anyway but like. The whole chargers homefield advantage thing is on a level playing field this year. Yeah. I. Know Lot in the stadiums anyway. So they. Can't be a charge playing a road game in their home stadium thing. Yeah they They're actually well prepared for the no fans thing. More. Well equipped to handle than any other team in the league. So. It's Kinda hard to to to preview this game because I feel like it goes very differently depending on if just in Herbert tyrod Taylor starts and I mean Anthony. Lynn seems to made it very clear. The Tara Taylor starting. But that can always change I feel I and it's weird because I feel like tyrod Taylor starts. Like to help the panthers I think so too I think we should root for tyrod Taylor starting. The only thing that doesn't help with is contained on the defense. 'CAUSE tyrod Taylor is a lot more mobile Justin Herbert. Herbertson. is though pervert can move and we also know more what to expect if Taylor start, that's the thing. Brian. Herbert could do it could go like. To completely different directions and we don't know. It was your your comedy buying. I was just going to say, yeah, I know they're both athletic tyrod Taylor obviously has a better grasp of how the NFL works as far as. A scrambler and whatnot any still super. He's still pretty frigging fast for a quarterback. So it's like. For me what worries me is just the fact that I don't know if I can trust this panthers defense really with either of them as far as containing the quarterback because they didn't have to do that really a whole lot with Derek Carr and obviously Tom, Brady's basically a statue in the pocket at this point Where like Brian Burns? I could maybe trust them to do it but like anybody else I don't I don't know man. I, just don't I don't know if I see it like with weatherly or. I guess gator gross mottos might not play again So that it could be ugly could be could be ugly on the panthers offense. A. Two brads point with the Taylor was harbor thing is that Taylor I think he's got kind of a narrow range of performance at generally has like he doesn't. Generally. He doesn't make mistakes. Can You rain that real quick what you were just saying no cut out a little bit. Okay now. He's very there's a lot of parallels between him and Teddy Bridgewater where he won't be generally won't make a bunch of catastrophic mistakes or bad decisions. But he also won't just like light up the scoreboard were just Herbert. Might make some of those bad decisions but he also has just solemn against the chiefs slinging around for a lot of yardage. And with where the panthers is even so right now at the player that is capable of taking the shots is probably going to outperform the player that plays safe and takes what's given to him. So good. You might want Taylor, but against this Defense Herbert would probably shred it. Yeah, it also doesn't help the Carolinas corners, not really all that. Good. No Very few positions on defense are at this point. Yeah. Well, I think the. Honestly think corner might be the worst right now. That's probably fair or linebacker might be. Yeah to hear Whitehead I. Think I think it wouldn't be as bad on the linebacker side of to whitehead didn't have to really fucking stupid mistakes over the last two weeks. But at corner like. Dante Jackson I. Don't think he has a chance of covering Keenan Allen. I think he rip him apart if he's trying to cover. Yeah or or a Mike Williams who's Mike Williams being big and slow completely negates Dante. Jackson's. One advantage that he has its corner. May Ask a corner. Yeah like Dante, Jackson would probably be better off trying to cover Keenan Allen but Ken Allen is. Arguably one of the best route rudders in the NFL I. It's going to be ugly. And then we all I. Guess we have Jeremy Chicken to try to deal with Hunter Henry but if not here why header Shack Thompson on him, that's also. On that they have also who might is probably the best why'd best receiving back healthy receiving back in the NFL for sure right now. Yeah they they'll. Definitely, I imagine after the first two weeks, it's pretty much on film at this point that the running back should be a key part of your offense whether you're throwing it to him her. or running it with like. So I fully expect to be heavily involved probably even his backup. Dust, Kelly. Yeah Josh Kelley. I don't even I don't think Joshua Jackson's Justin Jackson's healthy yet. Could really matters this planet. Taken, hold a job but yeah, I I think between. With the chargers having you know tied in both threats tied in running back as pass sketchers I don't really know and we have exactly one player who's capable of covering those positions in in Jeremy. Chain and he's still very experienced about ready to call him capable at covering those positions yet. So not trying to cover is going to be poorly covered by Shack Thompson or to your whitehead. And the other thing we haven't talked about yet. It's the TRAE Turner Revenge Game. I have no idea how he's been doing. It's kind of hard to keep track off of linemen when they go to other teams. Yeah I. Don't know what he's been doing either but. I will say I'm kind of like the one thing that I'm really excited about for this game is I wanna see Derek Brown go toe to toe with trae Turner, because Turner when he's when he's healthy and he's Playing well he's nasty. Like. So I, really WanNa see those two because we all know even though Derek Brown had to really stupid penalties. This past weekend I don't think it was as much about. Derrick Brown being. Like dirty player as much as he's just high effort in his second. Game of the year. Of. His career at that and he's just he's just an aggressive dude. So like I'm really excited to see those two frigging go at it. To be yet, I mean not rule even dare browns. He's I can be too mad about penalties, effort penalties and you can't really be too hard especially on young player for Bentley's where he was just going hard and got called for penalty. Eric pointed out. Shout out to Eric Summers one of our writers. Pointed out in his Hog Molly Hog Molly Review. Now, what's that bear doing with that minutes gets what that bears doing the there we go. But he mentioned that Eric, Brown and he was like, yeah. As far as the penalty goes with the unnecessary roughness when he hit the guy was laying on the ground. Yeah. Like you know in theory that's a bad play because he hit a guy who was on the ground who was basically defenseless he's also three hundred and fifty pound man who's going full speed so They thought breaks to stop that yeah. Especially for a guy who's just trying to be as disruptive as possible on what's really not a great defense. So I could see that stuff happening I'm I forgive him for it's fine. And in his second game. So it's too early for us to start like. Disliking him. Yeah. Wait is. Is Turn turn even playing. He doesn't show. He shows us that are starter and I don't see any reason why he would be. I don't see him being listed as questionable or anything. Trade Turner Knee Limited fulfull. Okay. So he did play he he missed one. But he plays soccer shocker. To return or out with a knee injury who would have thought? Yeah but I guess he's back So I will. That's that's probably. Something I Brian Burns, and they're Brown. I. Kinda who pay most of my attention to when we're on defense. And Brian Burns deserves to have a Sakata's point. I feel like I. Thought he played really well. Against Tampa Bay. Hopefully without the problem with the Panthers Fascist besides not being good is at. The top I don't know four or five. Lead the League is panicking of throwing the ball before they can get hit. Sir Not that as excuse to like, oh, the PASSOS's fine but it's still bad. But you know Tom Brady Tom Brady that several times including on the interception that he overthrew was just about to get hit and he just chuck it wherever you happen to be looking at that moment. Yeah I counted two different times. Brian, Burns caused a negative play by rushing the passer So that's kind of the stuff you have to watch out for when you're playing quarterback. Thankfully, this week whether it's Taylor or Herbert were probably not going to see as much of that pocket presence as we've seen with with. Even Derek Carr But the the problem's GonNa lie and how they cover his check downs because that's that's been the biggest issue is when they're trying to get the defense off the field, the check down seem to always be there to give the quarterback a safe option throw to. So to hear Whitehead Shack Thompson really need to step their game up. I've been very disappointed, Shack Thompson like. It's hard I know it's hard because like he's only he's he's got. Brian Burns who who's familiar with but like to hear Whitehead's new and I don't even know if he's that good to be honest The defensive line as a whole is not all that great aside from Derrick Brown and Brian. Burns the the corners are at that. Great. They've he's got three safeties who are all over the top one of rookie who is kind of all over the place it's still learning his role. One of them is Trade Boston who? He didn't have a great game on Sunday. I'll just say that. And just on Burruss who I'm not even sure is considered an average safety in the NFL so I I feel bad because I know he's he's definitely stuck in on kind of an island at times where like he got. He had the luxury playing alongside. Thomas Davis Lewke for his first several years was career but man, he has not looked good especially in pass coverage. He's never been good a pass coverage, which is disappointing for player who's kind of his main selling. Point linebacker safety hybrid super athletic, and it's like what's not really helpful if he can't cover anybody but right? I thought I mean? I? Think a lot of us were kind of Had A kind of A. Lukewarm reaction amount of money he got paid because he was getting paid like a really good linebacker like he's not that good and without Lewke alongside him I think he's kind of getting exposal but yeah. Yeah it's sad. It's okay though I mean they've got we're seeing at the very least. We're seeing some positives from guys like Derek Brown Jeremy. Chen who are the future of the defense so you know. You John Dante Jackson and Brian Birds Yeah Dante Jackson as Brad and I said on the BNB reaction show. He's a very good number two corner in our opinion but. They're still going to need a number one corner in that that guy is not Russell Douglas I don't care what anybody says no risk. Number three corner. Say something on the post game show about drafting a cornerback in the first round. That was Brian said that I felt like if and granted this this is the caveat here is not picking up the top five or they can get. A good quarterback, I think that. Back, should be at the top of their list as far as what they should go for in the draft. Okay, as long as it's after quarterback. Yeah if. We're picking in the first round, we have to take a quarterback I. Yeah. I think the priority list should be like quarterback. cornerback offensive tackle with cornerback in offense to tackle being like. Yeah like whatever the best player available position assuming you know other. Talk about but. Yeah I saw that like 'cause I didn't I didn't I didn't hear the whole show and I didn't hear you say that on the show. And I saw somebody comment that and I was like, wait a minute Brian say we need a quarterback. Yeah. Over a quarterback obviously I just think like if they're sitting there at like. Eight or nine, and like one of the top three unless there's a quarterback who ends up being like. You know a high riser. Right now just seems like the conversation is Lawrence Fields. So in my mind, if they somehow end up not picking the top five I, think corner should be on the list of things that they should look at their they could pick trae lance. Or that guy I don't know who he is but sure Dakota state. No definitely, not then. He's GonNa play one game this year. Yeah. His skills North Dakota state. It's GonNa. Play one game. Is that. That's that's a real real as Ariel they've they've. One. As actually a week from this coming Saturday sock Tober third they play Central Arkansas. That is the. That is their full football schedule and they're probably GONNA throw it like eighty five times. He's he's GonNa throw for six hundred, fifty yards. It's basically watch him play football like the rest of the team doesn't even count yeah. Around. Yeah that's that's all that is. That was nice. Nice. Nice Nice of the other school as well to put their. Health, and Safety on the line for just to get torn apart by North Dakota state. But that's fine for them. Schools will do anything for money. Did you see the citadel get? Glad I clemson. The running on did nothing halftime. That like a Western Carolinas Played Alabama a couple times. Usually. SARLA played Clemson a couple years ago or for two years. Got Beat like seven fourteen. I always loved those games like clearly overmatched. Like, why are you even going I mean granted? We always have those like. That will not always, but there's there's always the chance of that random school to just beat a team they should. They absolutely should or keep it close but. For. Bloodbath never seen before. The final score for that Clemson citadel game was forty, nine and nothing clemson literally stopped trying to score at the end of the first half is, is of the box right now it was forty nine to nothing with five and a half minutes left in the second quarter. And they just. They basically put put all their like third and fourth string and and just finish the game. Well I. Before getting far off track and we need to wrap up the show. But the last thing I'll say is chevra his stat line was eight. Yards, and three touchdowns. Can You repeat that? Eight for nine that line was eight for nine for one, hundred, sixty, eight yards and three touchdowns. Wow. That's pretty incredible. So, yeah. I don't know like what you do like as a and even watch the game like you probably tired off the second order, right? You have. Definitely. Sweeney offered citadels coach either quit or. Have a running clock or Like short in the game and the citadel's coach was like we came here to play football. We're GONNA played in he they legitimately turned it down like why are you turning it down there showing you mercy sit at eight first downs. That's insane. They also left with like five hundred, thousand dollars in the bank. Clemson played paid them to play so. They paid them. Thousand dollars offered them to reduce the game time. That's pretty funny. Well. Yeah. So anyway. Why don't we start the wrap up the show by giving our scoring predictions. We John Go ahead chargers. Nineteen Panthers. Ten. Fourteen. All right. Breath. I. Think it largely depends on whose quarterback for the chargers I'm just GonNa, take average between the two scenarios and I'm GonNa say chargers Twenty Panthers Seven. I think it will be chargers, Thirty Three Panthers Twenty Four. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA get on offense after the chargers. Take the lead that they probably will so. They're going to get some garbage time points and they'll probably find a way to to get close and have the game taken away from them towards the end flight. M Oh. Yes. As per usual so To but not good enough to actually win just good enough to look good I am excited to see what exactly they do to to nullify the loss of Christian McCaffrey because I'm pretty sure they'll deploy like a committee backfield where Mike Davis runs it up the middle and Reggie Bonafide does like all the Christian McCaffrey things on the outside and stuff like that. Telegraph it. Mike. is but I do read Ubon probably gets a significant snaps. Yeah he's my he's my God for my Saquon Barkley League. I'm GONNA I submitted like three waiver claims but even though I'm like I'm like ninth over twelve people. So I'm probably not GONNA get anybody. So if I don't get anyone I'm going to go pick up Reggie boffon stash on the on the bench. So everybody who's listening show is wondering how you're handling this fantasy aspect. We're able to provide that news. saquon Barkley being out sucks. Guys just say now you have to really bad. Well anyway we have. Yes believe snow believe. So we always have to end it on a note about me so. All of us here at the keep sounding podcasts. John and Brad, and Brian. Please join us for Sunday's game. All the coverage will be on CSR on twitter on facebook. Will have our regular. BNB Reaction Show I'm not sure when exactly it will publish because the panthers play at four on Sunday but check that out either Sunday night or Monday, and we will have another show for you sometime next week for the keep sounding podcast. So enjoy the game hopefully the panthers keep it entertaining like the half we'll talk to you soon. Later.

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Latest News, NFC Team Needs, Cooks Underrated? (03/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Latest News, NFC Team Needs, Cooks Underrated? (03/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports play it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn chiefs did so well on super bowl without mitchell. Schwartz eric fisher. They decided with no big deal. Problem solved we're going to react to that news and much figure news. We'll get to take on allen. Robinson chris godwin and kenny golladay things. He hasn't had the chance to talk about on the air this week. Plus john brown getting release emmanuel sanders getting released. It's a big show we also have some. Nfc team needs welcome. Everybody this is your thursday afternoon. Show adam as or heath. Cummings and dave richard on fantasy football today heath. I'm excited to hear what you have to say. Got a lot of fantasy to catch up on wow heat. I'm excited to hear what you have to say. That is fantastic. Halfway through it. I have to say and have you cut me off. I lost the bet by the way. That's why i had to say that the show. So what's the biggest news for you so far this week. I think it's probably kenny. Golladay did not get franchise tagged and and they had there'd been some indications that the lions are kind of in full on tanking mode so why pay twenty million dollars to a twenty eight year old receivers when seven year old wide receiver. Have you a measure it But he becomes really really interesting if he gets to somewhere. Like wherever to shawn. Watson is mike top five interesting. Certainly i would guess he will find. I hope a better spot than with jared goff because kenny golladay is not the type of wide receiver i think. Would how a lot of success. With jared goff. Well then you're not gonna like the miami herald report that said the giants. The dolphins are the front runners for keti. Yeah i could see the giants being. Okay for kenny golladay. That like the jason garrett has targeted that downfield wide receiver. Plenty of his time. And and daniel jones can wing it down the field He probably won't drop it every time before he throws it. I i think the giants it'd be. Okay alright dave top five okay. I think they'd be like top fifteen. Okay yeah well. Is he ever going to be a top five. Pr guy in your rankings. Anyway with his low catch. Notice what we don't know if the low catch nece is going to continue on it. Depends on where he goes. If if we're putting him as deshaun watson target wherever shawn watson ends up that's pretty good. I think you could have a case. Could be made where you would see a lot of targets and and have a chance to be very very helpful and fantasy and maybe close to a top five fantasy wide receiver. They're even new york even in new york. I'm not sure he would be the number one receiver. It would be a good fit and jason. Garrett's offense. I am not sure that the quarterback that's there and the running back that is going to come back will will facilitate the type of target volume that would want from kenny golladay. At least to be a top five or top ten receiver. I've got a new favorite destination for kinesiology. The chargers cut mike williams. Ho and signed kennedy. Oh i thought you were reporting news. No okay i mean mike. Williams is an eleven million dollar cap. Hit with no dead money. I don't know if he's not yet at all. I don't know why you wouldn't do that. I know of the agree wounds. What'd you say dave. No i wasn't sure i. It took me a second of process. What he said about mike williams caps situation that true because his fifth year option right this is his fifth year. It's not eleven million. it's fifteen million. They could do that so they could just wiped him out and put golladay and that would be tons of fun. Yeah that'd be awesome. And like i said they'd probably lost their second leader number two in targets and that was hunter henry. They did not franchise him. There was a lot that went on. I ask dave on fantasy football today in five. What does the absence of. Kenny golladay unlikely. He'll be back in detroit. Not certainty mean for deondraye swift. And dave you didn't think it would be a bad thing for swift would think i think listen. He's he's the best suited running back for them when they are playing from behind. He's a great passing downs back. He's got seventy catch potentially heard me say that about other banks before it's easier to believe it with the andrea swift now after what we saw from him and his rookie year and also did a good job in short yardage goal line situations. We see him. Continue that role if you're in a points per carry league. Yeah i'm not sure. How many carries he's going to end up getting from game to game. But it's those catches that i would look for. It's the touchdowns. I would look for and total. It should be pretty good right. We're going to go through the other news. We already did the bonus pod. So i won't spend too much time harping on goblin or now robinson and all that but it would love to get heats. Take we'll do some rankings disputes. The john brown news is interesting. The emmanuel sanders news is a little bit interesting offensive. Line news interesting. Not aaron jones not tagged. So we've got a lot to talk about here. Plus the nfc team needs by the way. Kenny golladay his best season. So far was two thousand. Nine hundred and i said can be top five. I know he can in non pr. His best season was sixty five catches one thousand one hundred ninety yards eleven touchdowns number three wide receiver in two thousand nineteen and non pr. He led all wide receivers and touchdown catches but he was number nine. Pr that feels like one of those where you could look at it and say but he would have been number seven in two thousand eighteen. He would have been i. Eleven hundred yards sixty five catches even with eleven touchdowns doesn't feel like a top five season. Any format was it was almost twelve hundred yards. That helps was ten. One thousand one hundred and ninety. But you're right hope so little bit. Twelve hundred yards on sixty five catches. I guess we could look it up where he was number nine. And that's what i'm saying. You know so sixty five catches just not a lot all right buck more importantly we're all pumped for march madness all right so i know you wanna listen to this podcast. I don't know that this is more important armpit. Our podcast is the most important thing but the second most important thing. Now is the eye on college basketball. Podcast and i have been listening to college basketball. How long has it been going on. It's gotta be like a decade now. This is one of our longest. Running shows matt norlander gary paris. These guys are awesome and they are going to get. You caught up on the entire. Ncaa tournament this is the one. This is the show. I listened to a make sure. I listened to their bracket breakdown episode before i filled mine out and all throughout march madness. You're going to listen to them. They're going to give you reactions from the game Previews of upcoming round. So if you want the best march madness analysis. Subscribe to the eye on college basketball. Podcast anywhere that you find fantasy football today. i'm gonna give you some rankings questions based on the latest news and players who finished within five spots of each other in points per game. Pr last year. Would you rather have chris godwin or mike evans. I will go with godwin I think i did a twitter. Poll on this and it was very very close. I don't remember who won. But i'm gonna go with godwin. He's been consistently better. If you just take out the weird touchdown thing from evans last year so godwin. he's safer. He steadier just like he said he got beat up last year. A lot of people might judge them for that but they shouldn't he still was top fifteen. Pbr points per game and he stepped up. We talked about this on a previous show. He stepped up in all of brady's begins almost every single one of brady's big games where he was on the field. He had good fantasy production along with brady and that might seem obvious. When the quarterbacks of course receivers are gonna do well but it's something that you can at least recognize when it comes to win. You start godwin when brady is a great matchup no brainer. He's going to go off stud. Dfs pick all that stuff and evans. It's it's the touchdowns. Can you really replicate thirteen touchdowns again Low target share last year Six point eight per game in twenty twenty yards per catch dipped to fourteen point four. I'm not sure he's going to get the type of volume to match god. I'll say this though. If it's non p p. r. i think evans is probably the one with a little bit more upset. Is it though the touchdowns a he. He had the second most targets inside the ten. He had the seventh red zone targets. And we saw. I mean every time it was it was tight end or it was evans. Basically i mean it just seemed like he loves throwing the mike evans in the end zone. Well when it's one year we're going to say it's fluky because the year before they played twelve games together and godwin had eight more catches twenty more yards and two more touchdowns on fewer targets. Unless you're saying adam it's a brady thing and this is just how brady operates near the goal line and they call a pass and not a rough. Forget about godwin. Evans has had eight or more touchdowns three straight seasons for his last five and in one of those seasons like in two thousand nine hundred eighty eight touchdowns in thirteen games. So would take too. But i'm just saying like was it that we're plus evans's had evans. How many players have done this. I forget he's been in the league seven years as a thousand yards every single year he might be the only receiver or one of a very small small list of receivers who has accomplished that really remarkable career so far. What what. I said flukey i. Mike evans is above average at scoring touchdowns. He has a career. Six percent touchdown rate last year. It was over twelve percent. One does that. How about next one and his guys in the news because they just restructured his contract in houston allen robinson were brandin cooks and they again they finished within five points of each other. Five spots of each other in pr per game last year allen robinson. Brandin cooks those joke. No because i'll tell you if brandin cooks the number one wide receiver for the texans and deshaun watson is back i know everyone's gonna take robinson higher and you're going to rank higher would really surprise you have had a better year. It shouldn't yes. Brennan cooks is really really good. And i wanted to apologize after. I made my kenny golladay. Houston texans comment because brennan cooks and kenny golladay. R- basically the same age age and cooks has been a much better had a much better. Nfl career than kenny. Golladay us Yeah and he played four games without fuller last year. He had four hundred thirty one yards and three touchdowns. So i will take robinson but they are i I strongly object. Dave's is the me too. I don't i think allen robinson is proven to be consistent and certainly a target hog with bad quarterbacks it could end up being the exact same thing this year. Fifteen and a half points per game each of the past two seasons top thirteen and fantasy points per game each of the past two years. I know that brand has it in him to be a good fantasy wide receiver. We don't know who is quarterback is we don't know what type of often quarterback is. Let's let's do something okay. Let robinson like we've seen brandin cooks. He's gone from team to team. He's played with the best quarterbacks. And jared goff his done very well with them. We don't know what he's like with crappy quarterback like worse than jared. Goff is what i'm saying and especially in houston where we're not sure what that offense is going to necessarily look like they could be playing from behind quite a bit and that might help brandin cooks get some targets. But i'm still gonna draft. Alan robinson i we've seen it from him and if he just so happens to play with a good quarterback in chicago maybe even a great one. Then you've gotta assume that his numbers will really have a chance to shine but gave you that. Scenario or cook says the number one receiver for the shawn watson lead texans and closer and closer but i'm still taking taking robinson i might take cooks too with a pick two rounds later. Oh yeah i mean it's very. I drafted anywhere near each other. Well the right. That's a mistake. I think the problem is that brandin cooks is if the situation remains as it currently is going to be extremely undervalued as he often has been the guy's got five of his past six seasons with at least one thousand eighty two yards. He's had one bad year basically since twenty fourteen. Yeah it that bad year that was twenty nineteen with the rams and he played fourteen games. He had five hundred. Eighty three yards and two touchdowns. If i remember correctly and i'll look it up now. He he was all right at the start of the year. And then he got hurt First four games first four games. He was great is on pace for twelve hundred yards four touchdowns and then was bad after that. It just seem weird. It was almost like. Is this guy about to fall off a cliff and he answered the questions last year and he got off to a bad start last year two and then he was terrific from week. Three or four on especially basically when watson who also got off to a slow start he had the chiefs and ravens and the steelers and then cooks was great. okay Next up these guys finished back to back in. Pr per game cole. Beasley or sterling shepherd and john brown no longer on the bills cole. Beasley or sterling shepard. I'm gonna go shepherd. Because i think that he's the more reliable p pr receiver. Who can get you ten to thirteen points. Most weeks beasley will fluctuate and he might fluctuate a lot if the bills do address the run game this off season and just because john brown has gone doesn't mean that beasley is going to see an uptick in targets. I will always trust beasley. Npr in games. Where i think josh allen is going to have to throw maybe a high scoring game. He leans on him in those games. Not sure he does that in those games. But i think shepherd is almost relied upon pretty much anytime. He's healthy. I many games of the giants going to have where they can just run their way to victory. And you think that they'll be ground and pound versus twelve or thirteen. Move it around a little bit. Like josh allen threw more passes last year than daniel jones even with their situations right. Oh yeah like. Joe scripps go. Are you talking on a per game. Oh yeah even. If you're talking per game that's the case. But i know volume available in buffalo than there is a new york total. Yeah and that was without. The giants had one of the worst offenses. It's probably didn't run a lot of plays the here's they tell me. Tell me how much this means to you though. Let me just give you the stat cole. Beasley we'll have to see you who they replace john brown with if they do co. beasley john brown played nine games in two of them. He played less than fifty percent of the snaps. So in the seven games that john brown did not leave early beasley had thirty two catches. Three hundred seventy seven yards three touchdowns on forty two targets in the other eight games. He had fifty catches eighteen more catches five hundred and ninety yards compared to three seventy seven and only one touchdown but he had twenty three more targets basically much much more productive. When john brown wasn't playing. I'll agree with dave and say shepherd but they're both number four wide receivers on draft day like i'm not whatever they were both better than that for what it's worth last year they will means per game. I believe that okay. I just think shepherds role will be more consistent. Target will be more consistent. Track records there josh allen or kawamori. It's going to be whichever team doesn't impact their offense with a better running back investment for now it's alan but both teams are probably do something running back if they both drafted running back. Then i'll probably still lean toward allen it. Neither of them draft running back on selene tornado. But let's say buffalo drafts e. t. n. With the first round pick and arizona. They're gonna escape by with chase edmonds and somebody else. Cuyler would be ahead of josh allen there. Yeah it's. I've got them three points apart so whichever one goes later but slightly prefer ellen. It's basically a push. Thanks for bringing up the nfl draft. Please listen to fantasy football today. In five we had emory hunt on The first episode this morning second one way or tomorrow morning he broke. Yeah thank you. I enjoyed it. Yeah i do to learn a lot. He broke down the top three quarterbacks on the episode that you here today and the next two plus a few sleepers on the friday episode. So that's quarterbacks or hoping to have him on every week we'll have somebody on every week. Break down these prospects but next week. We'll talk running backs now. Look i told you about movement watches all right go to m v. M t two. M's as in mary their. Mvm dot com slash f f t. 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Mvm t dot com slash f f d fifteen percent off free shipping free returns mvm dot com slash f f t so catching you up on the news. We know chris godwin got the tag. They're going to work out a long term deal. Hopefully allen robinson got the tag now golladay not hunter henry not jonnu smith not jonnu smith not chris carson not aaron jones and. I don't think we talked about the aaron jones thing but apparently he's still in their plant. So dave what do you think right now about aaron jones. The next week is going to be incredibly fun by the way. So buckle up. We're gonna have a ton of news but right now on this thursday march eleventh. What do you think about aaron jones. We know that so. Many teams are in a frustrating salary. Cap position they don't have as much to spend as they would like. How many teams are going to prioritize running back and spend upwards of seven eight nine million per year on a running back in his own jones worth it. I think it's the packers bet that not a lot of teams will but they might and they step up and say okay. Listen you know. Here's here's three years. Twenty one million something like that most guaranteed you know. Come on back to green bay. Maybe they don't do that. Maybe they're in love with aj dylan. I think they'll bring one of the two back between jones williams. We've talked about this. Williams figures to be cheaper and williams has been a good player for them. Not that jones hasn't but he could pick up a lot of the slack. Soka dylan i'm i'm kind of fascinated to see what's going to happen with the running back position and how many running backs we'll even get decent offers in the free agent market given the cap landscape. What do you think about jonnu smith. Not getting the tag for tennessee. Conflicted like i. It wouldn't make much sense to give him the tag. We're talk guys. Played four years in. The nfl doesn't have a season with four hundred and fifty yards receiving yet There's a i still love the athleticism. I still love the profile and tight end. Sometimes take a long time to have good. Nfl production but it is going to be entirely dependent on landing spot. Like you could make the argument for smith that part of the reason. He's never had a great season is because he's been stuck on a team that runs the ball more than any other football over the past. Three years i i would accept that as long as he needs to go somewhere that clearly prioritizes the tied in it has targets available if the colts were able to bring in. Jonnu smith. sure i'd be. I'd be pretty excited as a low end number. One tied in if the chargers tried to replace hunter henry with jonnu smith. That's excellent if he goes somewhere like. I saw somebody saying jacksonville. Need to make a push for john or henry v. Go somewhere where we're just guessing about what his usage is going to be. I'm probably going to let someone else draft him. I don't know how much this mat-su but he played two games last year without. Aj brown and he had two very good games. One was four catches. Eighty four yards and two touchdowns when was five catches for sixty one yards. They were against to terrible defensive teams in weeks. Two and three jacksonville at at minnesota But you know we saw the same thing from corey davis who also might not be back When tannehill threw the ball davis usually pretty did pretty well. When he didn't davis would suffer. J. brandon but tennessee is just i think if you like a player. I don't know that you want him on tennessee. Mrs nada great spot unless they change things around with a new offensive coordinator. But it's like aj brown you can count on. Can we count on anyone else in the tennessee passing game right now. You can't really feel good about anybody else. But they've got some work to do if they let go of corey davis and jonnu smith. I've there was thought that they might try. And franchise john new so's interesting that they decided not to could be because they were worried about the cap space they add. Maybe they think they can resign them for less than what the franchise tag says. I i think that they will remain. Inefficient well schemed offense. But brown and henry are going to be the two guys that fantasy managers are going to gravitate toward tannehill with the later. Pick and i don't really see anybody else whether added via free agency or not. Maybe we could talk about anthony furniture as a streaming possibility and they might draft somebody to to boost their wide receiver core but there are also missing or they let go of a lot of pieces on defense they let go of malcolm. Butler vaccaro in their secondary. They're going to have a lot of work to do in the draft to try and improve that side of the football not to mention. Now there's questions about their offensive line after they lead. Isaiah wilson go to try and replace him at right tackle. They're trying to get younger there at least so they've got a lot of a lot of holes to a lot of teams. Do their one of them. Okay more news. Houston restructure brandin. Cooks contract mentioned that jacksonville's gm said that they're gonna they're gonna look to add to their running back room much. You guys interpreted his comments. Did you feel like he wasn't really giving james robinson. A vote of confidence I didn't like it It doesn't sound like a vote of confidence. Also said like you can't have him out there on the field for every play. Yeah anton jacksonville was able to do that. Because they only the ball two hundred and ninety times and they probably would like to run at closer to four hundred times next year. and so. that's fine. I it's fine. He can have a sixty percent split and still be a borderline number one running back if they have a functional offense that runs more plays in and more of them are run. Plays okay Cincinnati head coach. Zac taylor said joe mixon is healthy. Feels really good right now. Melvin gordon. Dui charges were dismissed so he will not well actually. We don't know that he won't. He won't face a suspension right. The nfl could act on. Its own but yeah. I'm not sure they've done that lately where they've suspended somebody from something that they weren't convicted for other than josh gordon. Who was like there was somebody else prominent. I don't know what the specifics are. Gordon deal were. But i think that might matter as well like was isn't go. She added thing or was it one of those things where he was arrested for. Dui and then it came back that he was under limit. I just evidentiary concerns. Well antonio brown got suspended and he hasn't been convicted so is were a little different but right absolutely they were different I don't know how much the incident with the moving company factored in you know. That would be more comprehensive. But i'm just saying you know what why we speculating. We don't know but the charges were dismissed. Matt rhule's said teddy bridgewater quarterback we know that carolina's looking to upgrade their. And then how about these two releases so new orleans releases emmanuel sanders buffalo releases brown and he. Let's start. we talked about the bills. We can talk more about john brown. He's a good player when he's healthy but does this emmanuel sanders release mean anything for for sanders for the saints for thomas for whatever i'm far more interested in who their quarterback is going to be but they may have just looked at as a mill sample from last year and said well he's not going to throw any receivers besides michael thomas anyway so what to pay one. Because he threw like forty five percent of his passes to michael thomas No i think this is like the saints have have an are still in one of the worst salary cap situations and I don't think if tastes hills the quarterback there will be enough pass attempts for anyone besides michael thomas and maybe adam trautmann to sneak into this discussion because we know alvin kamera's still going to get some targets so i'm not particularly interested in who becomes the number two wide receiver for the saints. Are you interested to know that. In seven games without michael thomas manual sanders was really good. He's on pace for ninety one catches one thousand one hundred sixty eight yards and four and a half touchdowns on one hundred twenty three targets. He was terrible terrible with michael. Thomas played seven with seven without but when he was the number one guy he remember. We talked about them all the time you know is he was emmanuel sanders. This guy. we'll send her that he was a really fun Start i'd say so that interested some gas left in the tank. 'cause he's getting up there in age i think he can play a complementary role for a bunch of teams. I'm not sure if he can land in a spot where he will reliably get the type of targets and red zone looks that he had in those games. Without michael thomas on the field he would be a good i if you were a team that didn't franchise your number one wide receiver in his prime and just wanted to kind of go at it with some young guys and have a veteran. Come in and teach them how to be professionals and still tank manual sanders might be a good number one wide receiver for the lions and he could fit concept. Wise with the types of throws jared. Goff can make a little better. I thought you were talking about the steelers until you mentioned that you know the team was tanking. And i'm not sure he would be welcome back in pittsburgh as a replacement for juju. I'm not sure that would work very well. Okay and then as far as john brown goes. Does this have a lot of impact on josh allen. Does this matter batters. For gabriel davis. And what's you know outside which we have given your bills take. I think i think this move was done to save buffalo cap space and put gabriel davis in position to compete for the number two outside receiver role. He would play a little bit more and he gives them something that they don't have any other other receivers in that size and he used it his advantage. He won a lot of jump balls from josh allen. Over the course of the season more those are coming. He could be a factor in the red zone as well. I'm very intrigued by him and think he'll end up. Being one of those trendy breakout picks that people will go after starting in round eight round nine. He can't replace john brown speed but there were plenty of spurts during the season. Leisure were jami wasn't even on the field. We talked about that already. And at least davis is healthy. He might not be burner. John brown but he'll be out there theoretically a lot more often running through offensive line news. Talk about miami. Getting isaiah wilson from tennessee. It's a gamble. But they gave up almost nothing for a guy who was a first round pick just a year ago. It was a great deal for them. The patriots acquired trent brown and they took a lot of money back On the contract for trent brown but the word is when he's healthy he's awesome so. This is a huge upgrade potentially for the patriots offensive line. They got him from the raiders. He was originally a patriot. Signed a big deal with the raiders. And it hasn't really been able to stay on the field. Kansas city release fisher and schwartz. What's what's the level of concern again. Dave mentioned it teams could try to resign these players at at cheaper prices but as of right now that's two important pieces of the offensive line that are not there for the chiefs in that was a huge issue for them in the super bowl. So patrick mahomes. Qb seven eight. What do you think they do. Get the doctor l. d. dt back so that will he didn't play last year because he was saving people's lives. He's gone but he's a guard. That's like an offensive lineman that they will have could. I believe they're center is also a free agent. I if they went like what i would say is if they went into the next season with the current offensive line that they have under contract. It would be enough for me to probably not make patrick mahomes number one quarterback but they're not going to okay. I was joking about security. Seventy eight sure. It is the current they have a very very bad group of offensive linemen compared to the league currently kyle coming back former bears offensive. Linemen will come out of retirement after missing last year. Baltimore left tackle ronnie stanley at a second surgery on his ankle. Hopefully he'll be back ready for training. Camp carolina franchise tackle taylor moton jacksonville franchise tackle cam robinson. Atlanta released left guard. James carpenter minnesota released left tackle riley reef so between minnesota and the giants the giants releasing right guard. Kevin zeitler those zeiler. I would say was probably the best offensive line for the giants. And ref- is probably the best for the vikings who certainly one of the best so they did not get better by releasing those guys but they also didn't release superstars or anything like that and defensive stuff. Nothing really two major here. The released kwan. Alexander engineers jenkins linebacker and defensive. Back tagged marcus williams a safety arizona released. Cornerback robert alford. And we don't think. Patrick peterson will be back necessarily so they could have a very different. Look in the secondary miami released kyle van noy and yesterday. Yeah it'd be a heck of an off season because of the cap dropping fifteen million bucks per team. Yesterday i had a lot of fun on paramount. Plus you all need to get paramount. Plus it is so awesome. If you're my age from thirty six or around that age there's a ton of nostalgia. I was like i'm gonna watch. Are you afraid of the dark right now and it was really fun and then i was like actually actually. I'm gonna watch nirvana unplugged which is a lot better than are you afraid of the dark and i was. I was doing my football research last night. And put on your von unplugged from mtv on that amazing performance and right. These are types of things that are on paramount. Plus sign up for it right now. It's a great price and it's amazing that's easing that they have that on. I remember watching that live. And it's so i got the album and Now i can go to paramount plus and watch it all over again. Yeah didn't even know. They had that familiar. Yeah yeah they've got like nine episodes of employees of atlanta's morris said they have pearl jam john. Mellencamp there's just like all these archives of great things plus there's great movies on paramount plus check it out. My friends sent me an article funnily enough. It was a ringer article An oral history of nirvana unplugged. And it to you dave. It's really really cool. Good stuff anyway. Sign up for paramount plus regret it. It's really fun team. Needs in the nfc. Alright i asked you guys for three or four positions or spots on different teams that are especially fantasy relevant heath. you went with seattle running back detroit wide receiver carolina quarterback and philadelphia wide receiver. I'm going to combine here. Dave went with atlanta running back in arizona. Plus a couple of quarterbacks spots so if we look at the three running back suggestions he said seattle davie said atlanta and arizona. What's the most attractive free agent landing spot of those three teams heath. i would say dave sent his in. I could atlanta. Was on my list as i was building and i think atlanta might be the most attractive of any of the positions. And i would say it's maybe just a small gap to seattle running back depending on how they address it and then a a significant gap to arizona running back because i think whoever they bring in likely to share with chase edmonds agree. One hundred percent. And the falcons are getting arthur smith as their new head coach in playcaller as i've said before i don't think it means that they are going to be like tennessee. Has been which has been a very run heavy team. I think he was just making use of the guys that he has. He's he's preached adaptability. But they need something. They don't have anything they've got. I- ito smith brian hill. I don't think they're going to bring back todd gurley. I don't think they're gonna resign. Devante freeman if they let them go a year ago. I think i think that they're gonna try. And if they can't get a free agent running back at a good value. This is a team that i think could go after one of the running backs in the draft and that could be really really good. It's an offensive line. That's got some potential but the passing game is going to four safeties back a lot so there is room for a running back to do well and they could probably end up being like just under sixty forty pass. Run which might hurt your ears. If you're calvin ridley fan or a matt ryan fan you wanna draft those guys in two thousand twenty one but they they could end up being a little bit more in favor of the run than we've seen the past few years i i would just say They are a team that when we way early in the offseason we'd say well what's your favorite match needs. Aaron aaron jones goes to atlanta. Yeah it's like almost impossible. They have still. I think the fifth worst current cap situation the seattle seattle's the team. That's kind of unique in this discussion. Because they are actually in a pretty fine situation cap wise not great not like jacksonville and the patriots. But i want i maybe we should have been saying as much as pete carroll loves to run the football. Maybe we should've been saying aaron jones to seattle. Would you rather aaron jones on seattle. Green bay green bay. I think i think i'd rather seattle i. I don't like we've seen chris carson get a bigger workload than we've seen. Aaron jones skit And i don't think anybody. On seattle's current roster is as good as aj dylan and carol hasn't quite have the track record of sharing that mettler florida's so i think there's a bigger opportunity for more workload. He's still get to play with a fantastic quarterback and incredible downfield passing game to open things up. i think i'll go seattle. Let's look at the quarterback destinations. You guys suggested heath you said carolina. Yeah that'd be a pretty good spot to go and dave. You mentioned new orleans washington. So dave i'll give you the first crack at it. Ranked those three destinations for quarterback carolina new orleans washington. I just got done writing. The prospect profile for justin fields. And i didn't really consider new orleans a possibility for him because i just don't think that they're going to have the draft capital. Move up and get him if they really wanted to. Maybe they do it. But i i thought about him carolina and i love the fit. You think about joe brady and how he wants short passing time passing. Choice routes with dj more downfield throws with more and robby anderson. Maybe they're going to add somebody to replace. Curtis samuel in the passing game plus christian mccaffrey out of the backfield. Plus fields will run. And that's an element that they didn't use a whole lot of with teddy bridgewater for obvious reasons. I think he'd be fantastic there. I think that would be my second favorite spot overall with the quarterback destinations. That you mentioned new orleans would be. I 'cause working with sean payton should give you some potential to put up some huge numbers in that offense and washington will be third. I just think that they're probably a little bit more conservative of a team offensive minded wise and they could be more run. Heavy and more short area focused not taking any chances being as balanced as they can leaning on their defense. A little bit more i. I think that would be an for quarterback to end up but it wouldn't be my favorite of the three. He i think my least favorites the saints. Just because i don't think jason hills going away and most quarterbacks unlike drew brees can't come off the field as often as breezed did and still be good for fantasy purposes. And they don't have like yes. Michael thomas alvin kamera's incredible for a top too in terms of weapons in the passing game. I don't imagine they're going to have much behind those guys. So yeah i think my least favorite would be the saints. It's easily my favorite is the panthers and the combination of dj. More and robby anderson christian. Mccaffrey could make somebody really really fun as a sleeper. By the way have you seen. I'm sure you have chris. Simms analysts bbc sports. Now like sack. Wilson better than trevor lawrence and made a very passionate case for it and a pretty compelling case that i'm breaking down the film but you hear them talking about on you go kind of like i kind of you know. Get it. he's always talking about and he's got a good track record as well. Apparently it's pretty interesting. I'm getting getting a lot more excited about. Zack wilson. just go to the jets. And i don't like that so much but jamie does. I'm sure all right anyway. Last thing here is wide receiver detroit detroit wide receiver. Heath knew they got. They got some targets to go around. Yeah they they have no shortage of available tara philadelphia. Sorry i forgot about philadelphia. Detroit and philadelphia. Yeah yeah in. Philadelphia would be more interesting if zakar was gone If we got some. And i don't think we'll see is many tight in targets that we have in the past but just looking at it like i've got detroit with two hundred sixty nine wide. Receiver targets I think there's only two teams that have two hundred and sixty nine total targets available from last year's team. So maybe tyrone williams gonna take eighty of those but there is. There's plenty of room for someone to come in and be a true number one wide receiver. Maybe that's where we'll fuller ends up all right the philadelphia is that a destination that you think is good for a wide receiver with jalen hurts unsure about his passing prowess. Let's say it. It would have to be a true number one for me to feel good about a wide recyc- if they went out and got kenny golladay than i would feel pretty confident that they were going to use him. Like you're supposed to be used jalen hurts can throw the deep ball But i'm not really interested in someone like corey davis or somebody like that finding his way and getting lost in the wide receiver shuffling philadelphia on a team. That probably is going to run it for hundred and fifty five hundred times. I would be nervous even if it were golladay. Or if it were jomar chase. Somebody like that in the draft. Just knowing that jalen hurts was one of the most off target throwers in his starts in in twenty twenty knowing that he will run the football quite a bit. I would be nervous trusting that number one receiver in philadelphia. I don't think i would if galette went for example. Don't think you would see him in my top twelve wide receiver probably closer fifteen. Which would make them more of a third. maybe fourth round. Pick jalen reagor by the way right now on nfc adp jalen. Rigor is going fifty seventh overall wide receiver behind denzel meme sterling shepard meco harmon and one pick ahead of gabriel davis. So and that's a that's a different story. Like i would much rather wait on a receiver in philadelphia and potentially take a guy like rager who's got great deep ball potential. That something that helps with jalen hurts. He can throw that ball. That's one of his defaults when he's under pressure and he's rolling out of the pocket leader run with it or old chuck it and rager could benefit from that taking a chance on them. You're talking way late in the draft like that. That's easy to do. It's much harder to get behind a receiver in philadelphia. If you've got to spend a quality fantasy pecanins one spot ahead. Of gabriel davis. Yeah that's way to bet on four spots at gabriel they. We're gonna take a break here. We emails at fantasy football and cbsdfwcom when we come back support for this podcast comes from progressive. Do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been eyeing with progressive. You can find out drivers switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings new customer survey to saved with progressive in two thousand nineteen. Don't forget a great way to have your question read. These days is leaving us a nice review on apple. Podcast is a five star review on apple podcast and we will read your questions once a week. Probably on thursday show. We'll get to your apple. Podcasts question so go ahead leave a question and a review there or you can send the emails to fantasy. Football and cbs dot com. Like chris has done. And dave wears crystal chris's from wurster mass. A friend asked me to join a dynasty league that he's in there were two teams that were open and decimated by terrible traits. The league decided to put both teams in a pool and me and the new guy would draft our teams from there. I have some good players. Don't have much after my starters it's half pr. And i have the eighth overall pick would trading the eighth overall pick for chase. Claypool be a smart move details on his roster. I will give it to you. I think i would do that. Like there's gut reaction than i try to get to the trade short time to see what it says. It's fine so okay dude. What hot take i mean. It sounds like he's looking to just add some depth to his team. If you trade down from one oh wait in your rookie. Drafter not to be able to get quality up there. Unless you're really good at drafting and the types of players that will be there at one zero eight you know that it won't be chased waddell or devante. Smith pits won't be there you know that won't be there. Harris won't be there Yeah i don't mind making this deal. I got it. I got an update. I got an update. So chris me back today and he said the offer has changed so he would give up. The eighth tee higgins andrew o. We ll be myers. And listen. So the pig higgins and myers and he would get claypool. Kenny golladay zach ertz a late second rounder. And the first pick in the fourth. So you're still doing the claypool for the eighth thing. But now you're giving tee higgins for golladay basically and you're also giving up jakobi meyers getting ertz late. Second round pick and a fourth round pick. I pick the fourth. It teams getting older. Yeah i think t higgins is in my opinion the best player in that deal But he's not too key in gallatin claypool and eight picker all in a very similar range for me. So i probably wouldn't do that. I'd rather just trade the eighth pick for playboy and if you need to throw something else in to get the deal done since that offers on the table then you do it okay. This is from no name. so dave. You're in charge here. Bruce from nakagomi plaza. California from from bruce nakagomi plaza. Hey jarvis odell rashard donna then and kc those are brown's receivers circa twenty twenty. Okay i want my league time to focus on next year. Ten team half pr keeper league the first for keepers. Take up the first of the first four keepers typo take up the first four picks keeping digs and nick chubb. Who do i keep with my third and fourth round picks or do i throw back and try to draft someone better in the fourth round. James robinson david montgomery keenan allen. Jeff wilson it is a ten team half. Bbr league are these guys. Were third and fourth round picks. James robinson david montgomery keenan allen. Jeff wilson or the same answer. Oh shawn watson is also in the mix you said yes Okay you really considering watson with a top forty pick. I don't i don't think so. Especially not in the ten team league. I would keep robinson keenan allen with digs and chubb. Yeah i mean again. We get these questions in march and i. I really really hope you don't have to make these decisions in march. But i would. I would go allen robinson right now but i i have robinson montgomery very very close and so there is. There are certainly things that could happen this off season. That would lead me. Take montgomery over robinson next email. Keith from mechanicsville virginia. I swear it was about to say that. Dave what is your favorite. Mike and the mechanics. Song isn't there. Only one could be a favorite. What's the basic the living years. That's right. I love that song. Who all america. That's a really good word to date. Here's here's the question. Last season i blew up my dynasty team to rebuild it with the twenty twenty rookie draft. I traded away my top two twenty twenty one rookie picks and most of my veterans. I got as many draft picks as possible. The only players. I kept from two thousand nine hundred. Charq and zeke most analysts say trade away. A player like zeke. If you're doing a dynasty rebuild it looks like his value is now too low to get a promising young running back to replace him the best offer. I've gotten so far is pick one eleven in the rookie draft as zeke's value fallen to the point. Where you're better off keeping him even if you are rebuilding if the best offer you get as one eleven than you are definitely better off keeping him. If you don't think you're going to be competitive this year than at the very. He's probably going to have a good four-game stretch this year. Trade him then and he may just have a great season this year. And you may not train at all. But if if you're in a two or three year rebuild yes it is a good idea to get rid of ezekiel elliott. But you're already two of this rebuild and you don't give them away for the eleven th pick. I agree a hundred percent. He's he's he's a buy in dynasty right now but he's more of a by for those managers that are trying to win now because you should be able to get him. Maybe that's the point of this is that you should try and offer something like the eleventh overall pick. That's a team. That could be winning now. They've finished well in twenty twenty season. So they've got a late first round pick they give that up to get ezekiel elliott. And they roll with him in their lineup. This year. I certainly would want more than that. Pick for. Ezekiel elliott if you want me to go back to what we talked about a week ago when we did our dynasty show. Zeke is entering his age twenty six season right heath. yeah i believe that's okay then asked me but that is that is where i found the most top five finishes for running backs in the last ten years age. Twenty six now. Zeke doesn't seem like he's at his absolute peak right now. We get that but twenty six twenty seven twenty eight for running backs of his caliber still very very productive years. I think the key point also in two different ways is that twenty six twenty seven twenty eight. If you're look at it as a three year window there probably is not a significant. Drop off coming for zeke in the next three years in my opinion. But you're looking at twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine. The odds of off in the next three years become much higher. So i do think this is the year to tracheal elliott. Unless you're trying to win a title marshawn lynch had two top five finishes at ages. Twenty seven and twenty eight jamaal. Charles finished first at age. Twenty seven and seven th at age twenty eight adrian. Peterson had to top two finishes at finished. First and second at age. Twenty seven and twenty eight. So that's still fine if your special player. Hopefully zeke is hopefully doesn't go the todd gurley route but there are obviously concerns there. There is one other concern with zeke. And that is that the cowboys cut him which they can do up to the fifth day of the league new year. If they do it they'll they'll have a massive cap hit this year. But they're going to have it even if he's on the team but they don't own anything in twenty twenty two and i think they just gave a contract out to somebody in dallas and might want cap space. I wonder if zeke could be a cut consideration as the cowboys. Try and find cap. Space moving forward doesn't feel like a cowboys move there so loyal to no it does not. But it's if they're if they're convinced that ezekiel elliott will won't be the same guy ever again. They're going to cut him. I thought jerry jones and on this had a really interesting quote where he said every good thing. He's gotten he's over paid for and when you try to get a bargain yes end up with you. Get what you pay for it up with With inferior product. Basically have just kinda paraphrasing here so he basically acknowledged yeah he had to overpay for that press guys paying him forty million dollars a year. He overpaid for zeke. But he acknowledges you have to overpay great players. It was interesting honest admission and a lot of truth to it. I think well and it's the only way the system works because the system is set up to underpay great players for the first three or four years of their career. So if that's the case then the only way this whole sharing things work as we overpay guys later in their career. Well little philosophy here for ya fantasy football today. Fantasy philosophy today. don't even have to change the initials. 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The TRUTH About Fantasy RBs in 2018, Part 1

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The TRUTH About Fantasy RBs in 2018, Part 1

"Pay foot clan. Where are you a fantasy football champion like I was in two thousand eighteen well, then you gotta head over to fantasy champs and get yourself. Some of these sweet championship rings. I'm running out of fingers over here. But the rings are so nice fantasy champs. You gotta check him out. They've got trophies too and all sorts of swag to make sure that that everybody in your life can know that you are a champion. Use the promo code ballers to save ten percent at fantasy champs dot com. Hall of fame Marshall Faulk and you're listening to the fantasy football. There's. Well to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Oh, let's do a show. Okay. We are all present and accounted for. Yes, Jason is. Regrettably swag ING out with his if you're on YouTube. You can see at the foot clan title championship t shirt. I remember when you were the dynasty league champ. Andy all the way back to last year. Yeah. Yeah. Not not morning. Dear is like forever ago. Eighteen still me. Yeah. I don't like that outcome. But here we are. And you're gonna wear that shirt out. I have no doubt. I haven't taken it off. Yeah. I got it. You can also get the we did throw up the two thousand eighteen nickname shirt on Shabaab dot com. You did you know that she's not aware. You look very surprised. I'm just making a little transaction little note and go on I got a keep pick some up over here. So the nickname shirts up the the championship gears up. So that's bothersome com. Welcome into the fantasy football. There's podcast anti Mike and Jason back again. Mike, how're you doing? I'm doing delightful. You just you refer to it. As we threw up the shirt, and there was a strange image. Yeah. We it was more of an expression. We've added a beautiful picture, right? Onto the front of your chest. Check it out. Why is it on elsewhere? Vomit on the back. Come on, Mike, you cost more to print on the back end the front, and that's why we went front. For every or did you double every day? We charge you double. If we throw on the front end the back. All right. Goodness, lays, let's get into the truth. If you're still with us, they're not I hope you enjoy everyone's gone last week's episodes the truth about the fantasy wide receiver position with through the top ten on the Tuesday show and from eleven to don't even know where we ended. But we saw you talked about the details. Right. Sometimes you see the fantasy finish. And today. We'll look at running backs and how they've finished and fantasy. But then what their consistency was we tweak. What you actually had as a fantasy owner on your roster. We'll see how they played against top level defenses. You know, when you look to next year strength, the schedule are these guys that are going to break down against the best defenses in the league. Or are they kind of workhorses, and we're going to look at all those today at the running back position. And I'm excited because these episodes are important we want to set the table for victory next year. I mean, he's a good friend in different in years where he gender gen-. It is Vic Vic Tory that was not good. But yeah. In years past. Oh, let's see even pull move on. Now has had. No. Of course, not Mike. You got to know by now. Yeah. No. I mean in years past its been really eliminating to see certain players, Jay Gye. I remember a couple years ago. You had the monstrous season that was very Derrick Henry, and it came in two big games, you games. So. Yeah. We'll we'll take a look at all the top most important running neck's. All right. And before we do that. We've got a quick question is now the time to pro to propose rule changes in your leak that is the question now. Okay. I I agree now is the time to start planting seeds for your proposed rule changes. I don't think that. So you're you're lobbying right now. Yes, you have become a lobbyist in your lobby period. This is the law that you are listening to the fancy footballers in right now the the extended by week we call the offseason here. Not everybody in your league is paying attention right now. Which is probably why you're gonna win next year in your league. But they're not wanting to vote on this stuff right now. But now is when you start planting the seeds for kaeding rid of kickers example. Hey, Marv him marva, you know, what it'd be nice next year. Maybe we we don't bring the kickers better you hairy should vote on that later. He's Harry from home alone right now. That is the only mar Mike in big of you don't play with a bunch of marv's in your league. It's a hot name. Now. Not since the fittest. Defeating point. Or is it the Martian? No, no, no. Or it's neither it's hypothetical player in your leak. But yeah, I mean, you can always chat. Look now is the time to continue keeping conversations a lot and make the notes right now. And and the votes later notes now votes layer. I mean, you gotta make your notes so you can get devotes. All right. So we mentioned this last week. We don't have news on the show today. We're going to get you caught up with all the news. We're reflect on those incredible AFC NFC title games. I no words no words are coming out. Now. I describe what happened. I'll be honest. I expected the patriots to show up in Kansas City. But I did not expect that I I mean, I did I did not expect just, wow, it's almost like I have no idea. What happened? Yeah. We're recording ahead of time as we are in Tampa Bay at the fantasy sports trade association. So we recorded these truth episodes a little bit ahead of time. So we'll catch up on all the news are reaction to those games and everything next week. All right. Sam pretty good. And that's great. I in lieu of news just remember you still you can still get that news on the sleeper apps. So check that out. Download the sleep rap put your league on there. And let's go and get into the truth. You want answers. I think I'm entitled. The truth. You can't handle the truth. Can't handle it. But you gotta you gotta listen up. We're going through the top ten right here. Right now. Remember, we're breaking down consistency on on this basis. Great games more than twenty two points. All right. That puts you in that top five on the week on average good games are more than ten points. That puts you in that Rb one Rb to conversation bust games are anything in which the player scored fewer than seven points and put you outside the top fifty makes you really angry on Monday morning on Tuesday morning, if that happens, especially with these guys at the top of the list, right? Did you specify half? PR? I did not sweet I wasn't Lissack question specified, if our listeners, thank you. Well done me Todd Gurley number one yet. Again, he busted all of zero percent of the time is number one. But as consistency rank was number two pretty darn good ninety three percent of his games weren't just not busts. But they were good, right? They were over ten points. Seventy nine percent were great guess seventy nine dollars. That's the kicker. That's nine percent of the time. You gotta top five performance from Todd Gurley. Here. The insane thing is this look, I mean, if you want to know how good he was how consistent he was. You know, he didn't play a full season. He was injured at the end of the year and missed week sixteen seventeen and he was the number one running back on the season. So he he was completely dominant had really one bad game that you were disappointed with now, the timing was unfortunate, we fourteen. Yeah. It was the beginning of a lot of people's playoffs. But Todd Gurley guy you to the playoffs you you could overcome that single game lot of people one with Todd Gurley. And in the championship. Leaks your spirit animal spirit animal. C J Anderson stepped right in and I'm looking through the rest of the running backs. We're gonna talk about that. Seventy nine percent great. I don't see another person in the seventieth percentile. I don't see one in the sixty or the fiftieth percentile for great gains. That is correct. That's how dominant Todd Gurley. Was it just impure the next highest percentage of their games being over that threshold of twenty two points is at forty seven percent Alvin Kamara I mean Todd Gurley Camaro Christian McCaffrey, Don, maybe both of them. They're both tied. Yeah. They both have the same. Yeah. So yeah. No. That's another tier that's another level tenth most P P R points per game for running backs in NFL history. Now, he did everything you expected when you drafted him in that spot. That's the thing you needed. It. You expected it. And as is often not the case in fancy you. Got it. Yeah. I mean, when we talk about the truth, we want to look at what really happened, and what really happened was. He was the number one right now, he was great. You don't need to continue talking about Todd Gurley. But the one question that's happening right now over and over and over everywhere because of what has happened in the playoffs is do you worry that Todd Gurley won't necessarily be a workhorse next year with what C J Anderson has done at the end of this season at in in the play offs. And granted we don't know how this last weekend went, but you know, the worries of should they save his legs a little bit. If they've got a capable backup who can come in and go over one hundred yards. I don't worry about that night. And I bring the question up. So that I can say even as CJ Anderson truth. No, I don't worry about it. In the slightest nonsense C, J Anderson. Probably close to it. I don't think he'll be on the roster Ziva Anderson, but there will be another running back on like girly has been paid to do what he's done the past two years. Your girlie was banged up. And so right now C J Anderson is filling a specific role to give him a breather. Protect him from injury. We don't know how hurt he is or isn't. And so there's a specific role there for him. It doesn't mean look we've seen Malcolm Brown who Sean McVeigh when Malcolm round went down humongous loss is what he said. Now, we've seen him out there spelling girly occasionally in a place where you're like man, I really wish Gurley was back out there. But we haven't been forced into this position. What position the position of seeing if a backup running back truly succeed in the system McVeigh's never had to see it? And I I'm just playing the devil's advocate. I agree with you guys that the overwhelming probability is that Todd Gurley goes right back to being the workhorse next year. But the fact that they're actually having success in thinking, maybe I can take some I can I can have Todd Gurley last even longer his career. If I give the back of running back more opportunity, I think that's the narrative that will scare people. I will be taken girly with the number one pick. I think it's I think it's also just in our natures fantasy players and this happened last year because in the offseason you heard a lot of it wasn't just girly at the top. There were people taking you know, other players over Todd Gurley. People wanted to speculate on left bell, right? And and other players. It is just in our nature to say he's done to. Well, it can't continue. We have to take somebody else and take our shot sometimes that pans out. Sometimes it doesn't right? If you took that viewpoint with earlier d Andre Hopkins this past year based on the year before you got burnt bypassing on them. So it will be hotly debated. It will be interesting because there are names like this guy on the board saquon Barkley coming in and number two. Never busted zero percent of his games were qualified as a bus fourteen ninety four percent as good thirty eight percent as great his consistency rank was number floor. He amazingly lead the lead running backs in scrimmage yards with over two thousand third most all time for a rookie only behind Eric Dickerson in Edgerrin, James. This was everything you would have hoped for it in the template for for saquon to be the next, you know, Ezekiel Elliott out of the draft. And what's impressive to me about a season with over thirteen hundred rushing yards eleven touchdowns ninety one receptions. Yeah, that that's nice was just how much they could lean on him. How durable he proved to be? And then how bad his team was terrible offense of line amazing player that is where the needle is still pointing up the truth about saquon Barkley is he overcame a bad off. It's of line. He overcame a bad quarterback for at least half the season. He overcame. Novotel Beckham junior at time being on a bad team. I mean, especially the first half of the year you watched the New York Giants. And you thought they are in running to get the number one picnics and saquon, overcoming all of that the you know, the giants draft in six I expect that they make some improvements up the offense of line. And the point is really there's nowhere to the truth about saquon Barkley is even though he finished as the number two running back was led the league in scrimmage yards. I feel like he's still got room to go up, which is kind of insane. Because when you've got that much. I mean that many yardage. What happens if the giants end up becoming a good offense. How an opportunity you have room to go up in the touchdown scored. And right. Can turn it around. I mean eleven Russia eleven rushing touchdowns is still great. But I think that that number can that that can fluctuate in that can go down. I mean, the art is just fantastic. He's going to be safe. But I don't think that he's going to go up necessarily from here at least for a few years while they figure things out and on top of that. Yeah. Bring up the split. What do you make of his his splits because he trashed bottom sixteen defenses and to the tune of over almost twenty six points a game, but dropped nearly ten points. If he was facing a top sixteen divas now in those games. Of course, he's still giving sixteen points. But when we're talking about the elite of the leads, why would I why would you talk someone into saquon Barkley who's got these kinds of numbers where you have Todd Gurley whose invincible against any opponent. I wouldn't I wouldn't try to make that conversation between the two myself. But I would say this. Sixteen point three nine points per game against top defenses with the offenses line is still impressive. What you saw what Jason said room to go up. You saw against the bottom sixteen defensive you saw twenty six points game win the officer blind could do enough against the bad defense to give him any opportunity to be what he is. I'm guessing fast that they'll improve. Yes. And I'm guessing that the bad defense is coincide with the games that they were actually able to win and be in a leading position. You know? That's what I'm talking about with sake. One is like, but mice right? It could take years it could take a couple of years build that. Yeah. It could. But any letter main over girly? No not over. I'm not. Yeah. I'm not as as well. All right. In the meantime, you said where you going to close out a little the meantime, even even if it takes years for the giants to get much better. In the meantime, we're fine with ninety one receptions keeps things on track. All right. Here's a player with one. Hundred percent of his games qualified as good games number one, inconsistency number one most consistent running back. Christian McCaffrey demand. Fair we removed week seventeen from his rankings because it's not really fair to judge that against them. The guy came in for four snaps or whatever the game. He was a ninety nine percent snap player on the season. He played ten percent of the snaps that week and going into the week. We all knew that like yours ninety nine percents now player this was a little bit hype hyperbolic, but if you look at his actual snaps that he missed he had a he had a stretch of like four or five games in a row where we've ever leave miss a snap our editor at organ. Unbelievable kyle. Brought this end said he when he was actually playing, you know, not weeks six weeks seventeen nonsense but missed thirty snaps on the season sane yet for a running back. It's unheard of. I mean, that's that's Nanyuki. If. Can't do that to him. If he's out there that often. I bet he ends up with about one hundred and seven reception. Yeah. In eight hundred sixty seven yards six touchdowns on one hundred twenty four targets two hundred nineteen rushing attempts. I think that is I mean before the season began. That's almost exactly where we had him. Are that's where I had him as far as rushing item two hundred and twenty rushing attempts before the season when you say you can't do that to him. I think you can do it it because he has two hundred and twenty rushing attempts being active in the passing game. We never look at that with the Julian Edelman or Jarvis Landry or something and say they can't be on the field. He's a receiver. He's up in the backfield hundred and seven receptions to two hundred nineteen Carey's. That's how you have to look at it. And it was used that way in college. I mean, you might talk about he doesn't have the weight to withstand that, but I I the human body. I'm not talking about next year. I'm just talking about the if you have this electric superstar running back, I think using him this. This much. It is definitely a disservice to your team over the long term next year twenty nine twenty two you could be right. Twenty two years old. What do we expect from him next year? He again, he was somebody who took advantage of bottom defenses as well about seven points a game better against them. Very similar numbers to what saquon sure, but I expect better actually from Christian McCaffrey because I expect Cam Newton to be better. He was playing with a bum arm for half the season. By the end looked like he could barely throw the ball thirty yards. So the news I expect an improvement. The good news for Christian McCaffrey, why don't necessarily expect an improvement, nor do I need it. As in some scoring formats PR, certainly I believe he was the number one running back through the fantasy season up through week sixteen. But the coaching staff has you know, has stayed the same and that was the worst or of matters matters an orphan Marv. Yes, see if north Turner was not the office of coordinator. I would believe you. Do you mean? Marv Turner be freaking out about Christian McCaffrey's utilization. And his ability to be on the field for all of the snaps. But with Norv he's safe next year. Well, and that's what you call before the season. You said north, you know, with all the C J Anderson hype who you love C, J Anderson. I and you loved his ability, and he was a are you knew with north? He just has one guy. Well, they've got now a twenty seven year history of north Turner. I mean, ask yourself listener. Are you twenty seven years old? I I mean, there's a good chunk that art. He's we have that many years of him as a head coach or an office coordinator. And there's like two or three seasons where he didn't have a workhorse back down. 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Thirty eight fifteen twenty seven thirty nine. You're feeling really really good about what you've got. And then marking him comes back, and you have a very good. Yeah. Fantasy running back. You don't have the player. You thought you did? Yeah. I mean, it's exactly right. And that's what we need to discuss in the truth series is is Alvin Kamara really the, you know, the the number one type of running back because over those first four weeks when marking room wasn't there. Albuquerque was the number one running back right wasn't slightly the number one number two was Todd Gurley. Five points fewer per game. As Alvin chimera was averaging twenty eight point seven fantasy points turning that stretch. That's that's just unbelievable after that. If you look at weeks five through the rest of the year when marking room was back. He went from twenty eight point seven points per game to seventeen point six which is good. Yes. That he was the number five running back over that stretch. But do you have those numbers going to week seven like not starting now, not not starting we five because I get it. What happened week five if you don't recall that was the week that marketing room came back Alvin Kamara was on the injury report and the team gave everything to Mark Ingram, some I'm okay sure taking that one one away. So if you start in week seven he was eighteen point eight fantasy points, so close up what goes up. It's I mean, here's thing kids too bad about him during that stretch eighteen point eight that's the third running back in fantas let's breakdown, you know, because I don't think any of us would take Kamera over Zeke next year, for example, who was who's lower on the list. No. But marking volunteers have purposes I don't expect him back in New Orleans when you listen to him. About he's an unrestricted free agent. First of all he's twenty nine years old entering the age in which you're getting take a payday to decline. Yeah. And his payday is still going to be like, whatever it is. He's gotta take. And so when you hear him talk about it. He says, you know, I hope we win a Super Bowl. I hope everything works out. It's a business over everything works out. Yeah. But I mean, he said that in the context of how much he wants to be back said, I met my wife. You're my children were born here. Very rarely does anybody gets spin their entire career in one place. I love Orleans his loins. That's the point though. He also said I'm not just looking to leave New Orleans with a contract. He's not just looking to get out. But I think he's back. I do not. I mean, I think he's back to that. You don't think we get the only way that he's back is if he gives no offers elsewhere, no New Orleans is not going to offer him something that prioritizes too much of cap space for the running back position knowing the Alvin Kamara is so much younger so much more explosive so much more versatile. I mean, you've got kind of a situation where you're gonna pay. Devante freeman. You give them coal. I think that the way I'm looking at it get like an Isaiah Crowell level of contract, which is enough to keep him in town. Oh, man. I do not think. So I'm willing to take a very very early. Waterbed. He's been it's not been good. I mean, you guys remember this is not that this Trump Payton hated marketing for a very long time this relationship between them has not been not been very good. So you guys. You know, you can buy me lunch. And now the one thing to say after week one my biggest player in grants. We just talked about he didn't have marking them there. But nothing can be said negative about Alvin Kamara talent wise on the node wise, film wise. He's also pretty good one of running back out there, you you can't tackle him easily visions great his ability in the in the receiving game. So I mean, he is absolutely among the elite is just a matter of how much work does he get we know that Peyton would like to use. Even if it's not Ingraham now is the point. I was trying to get to I figured you guys would concede that he was probably out of town yet didn't. But even if he wasn't because you're you're wrong. There's that part of like, I would not going to concede when you're wrong to be listen, even if even if he's gone, they they they want somebody else, they're not to give everything to Alvin Kamara agree. It's a matter of who they bring in somebody that they can use as much as England be as successful as Ingram. Is it a goal line back or do? They just bring in another person to spell him that matters a lot because if compares getting the ball inside the fifteen you know, that's the difference between thirty points and in fifteen Ezekiel Elliott came in at number five on the fantasy finish ranking and number six on our consistency ranks ninety three percent. Good game seven percent bust. Forty percent. Great games. Listen, league-leading total three hundred and four rushing attempts. I mean, he is the workhorse is a workhorse. He was dominant. Yeah. Not not only is he dominant and a workhorse. But finally, we've talked about this through the year got involved in the passing game. And that's the thing where if we've always said if he were to be used in the past game, he should be pretty much the number one running back run football because he has the ability. He's got the chops for he had it coming out of college. And he showed that this year. But strangely this season despite him leading the league in rushing yardage his rushing touchdowns which of always been there. We're down this year. And I don't expect them to stay down. Now with his talent his right style of running. You didn't bring up the stat line Jay, but it's seventy seven receptions for five hundred sixty seven yards and three touchdowns us targets, and he made really need that because his league-leading total. Kyle looked back all the way to two thousand three hundred and four rushing attempts by the league leader, that's the lowest total since that date. So you're seeing a decline of you know, the the three fifty runner for three right? Running a huge of tick in the passing game for running backs. But Zeke Elliott since being in the league has averaged the most yards per game at the position. So he didn't play a full season rookie or sophomore year. But in those games, he averaged the most rushing yards. Like we said he led the league in in overall rushing this past year. But those rushing touchdowns Jason was talking about his rookie year. Fifteen touchdowns sophomore year. Seven touchdown seven rushing touchdowns in ten games in this season in fifteen games. Six rushing touchdowns. He just he got hit with the touchdown variance. I expect that to bounce back. The biggest the big questions just is he gonna hit at least sixty receptions next year. Oh certain. And I think that he will. He he hangs of. Good of a chance to be number one, which makes him elite with with the possibility of being a number one running back when we talk about the truth of how did the season play out awesome. He had seventy seven receptions ninety five targets. Those are great numbers. But look at what happened when the bye week came in week eight and how they used him after that versus before him. The we saw the Dallas offense chain. They get Cooper that. Right. Then those weeknight. Yeah. So when they got Cooper and the offense change a little bit that pays from. And that's that's the whole second half of the season. He was on pace for a hundred and four receptions, not just targets, but actually eleven fewer touchdowns on the ground. Then Todd Gurley did. Yeah, that's a variance that should change. He has as good a chance of being number one. Like if you have to handicap like if Vegas was handicapping number one fantasy Russia next year outside of girly. I'd put them at Zeke. I would put Zeke too. Yeah. Let's talk about a more interesting debate. Here we all know, zeke's great. You should draft him. Yeah. James Connor and number six consistency rank of eight the reason I I'm so excited to talk about. So scared to talk about James Connor who by the way, zero bus games when he was starting seventy seven percent good thirty eight percent, great. You can't argue with that. He was a great surprise for fantasy teams on more fantasy rosters than just about. Anybody? My my concern with James Connor is the hypothetical question of this. If you put James Connor on the Tennessee titans K put them on there a different roster. I dunno. Let's say one without Antonio Brown. What is he is? He a top six top seven top eight runner on that roster and on Dallas without Zeke. And that's my point is is like I don't want to discount what he did in this situation ju ju Brown big been that line that team that defense, but I don't want to over emphasize this year and overdraft him. I don't he's not in my top ten which I know is for both of you guys. So you project a very rosy future for maybe where Pittsburgh goes I have a little bit of a more bleak outlook on what's happening in Pittsburgh right now, losing lev likely losing Antonio and some of the tumult in the locker room make making me think this is a team that could struggle for a couple of my top ten ranking when we put out our top ten and James Connor was in it that was before the in Tonio Brown information of it looks like he's not going to be there. Now if Antonio Brown leaves, and that will probably change the. The entirety of the offense and all just my rankings accordingly. But someone could say that he'd be better now, and I would say no because the reason James Connor is great for fantasy. The reason why he had seventy seven percent of his games this season as good fantasy games for you is because not of him. But because of the team the line the offense the coach that combination over the last several years has proven it. I mean, the whole running back Angela Williams. Angela Williams was fine. Jalen Samuels, the third string rookie tight end. Who was drafted was phenomenal fantasy asset. That's what I'm drafting look Damien. Williams, isn't good. I know we'll have all sorts of fights in debates over that. But the role of being the starting running back for the Kansas City Chiefs. And Andy Reid is one you want because it's fantastic. That's what I'm drafting here. In fact, when I first made my my top ten list. I didn't put James Connor in there. I said Pittsburgh running back. That's who I put in as. As you know, my top guile now if they had Tony O'Brien leaves that changes things we have not seen an Tonio Brownless Pittsburgh offense in a while. Mike. What do you think about Connor because look you can have a wide range of opinions based on circumstance? What about the player? What is the truth about him in your mind? I think that he's an excellent well rounded player, I mean, they spent what learn draft third round pick on running back when they didn't need to draft a running back that that was a that's that's the best player available situation. And the guy was coming back. It was a is a cancer survivor, and they spent a third round pick on him that to me says that the team is fully invested in the player. Also knowing that the that the possibility that on bell is going to be leaving the team. I'm with Jason I want Pittsburgh running back and James CONNER has the skill set. We saw with the fifty five receptions fifty-five, I'll take care of it. I'll hand we didn't give me any window there. Mike because I kind of stumbled into it. It was one of those. I didn't realize like all Handel where were you? Are you? But if he can do that, then you'll be that's for the next as for the next one case. And he he didn't he was slightly worse against top defenses. But not enough that I'm going to be concerned about it. He'll be so interesting in next year strength. I will be perfectly happy taping. Taking James Connor as a running back one. I agreed in Donio on on this team. Maybe the offense isn't as powerful. But I think that Big Ben will find a way he I mean, Pittsburgh has found a way without Antonio Brown. Being the number one guy with Big Ben like it was Hines ward. And then it was Mike Wallis juju can step up in my opinion and fill most of the offensive gap from Antonio Bryant at least for fantasy purposes. Only Zeke you'll Elliot had more games over one hundred and eighty yards from scrimmage than James Connor did Connor had three of those. Over one eighty those are week winning weeks. Honestly, the only concern for me for James Connor is Jalen Samuels, if they go a different, and they think Jalen Samuel is. They're going to spell him in far more as a pass catcher that wouldn't be Mike Tomlin style. But it's at least one of those check marks in the unknown. If you're going in on a first round pick for James corner Mellon, Gordon came in at number seven, but it's consistency. Ranking number three. Nobody's ninety two percent. Good forty-two percent, great. He was fantastic only tied Gurley as more total touchdowns over the last three seasons than Melvin Gordon who has thirty eight over that time. He's just unbelievable. If here's the truth. You want the truth on Melvin, Gordon, if he's healthy and active? He's one of the best three running back some fantasy football. What you have to worry about is his health that healthy and active part. Yes. The healthy part because he's missed when he was a healthy inactive. That's that's not good. You don't want to be. Scratch. But Melvin Gordon has just been unbelievable. But he hasn't been able to play sixteen eat hasn't been able to stay healthy. And so you had a is this is this a problem with him is he not able to, you know, take that kind of low that he's been given. Or is it just look everybody gets injured from time to time. This is when Melvin Gordon's got injured we bring it up all the time. Frank gore had the biggest injury label early in his career imaginable. And then he went and played seven thousand slaves straight without injury. It's one thing to consider the injuries. Enormous. It's another thing to ask the question of whether Los Angeles the coaching staff, if they consider them anomalous because if they're not then they need to spell him. They need to give them more rest. He doesn't. He can't be the same workload guy. Right. The first six weeks twenty three twenty seven fifteen twenty seven twenty thirty. Four heaps a beef all doubt. But then he went down. And so that's the question that I have the only question I have now I think Los Angeles has another peak season in them with Philip rivers Keenan Allen, Mike Williams. Melvin gordon. A great defense a good old line. I think you're gonna see a little repeat next year. That's my projection for this team. So the truth about Gordon put him out there. I want Gordon he he was number two running back when I made my initial rankings because I don't think people realize how dominant he was when he was in there. So recency biased by the injuries and the lull at the very end of the season that they don't realize Mike you had him this season spirits, the difference that he made over you know, you were given trade offers of like Joe mixon and other good running backs. That is just sounds really good. But then you look at what an advantage. He gave you for the first part of the season until the the weird. Inactive over in the London game. And then you saw a little bit of a downtick, but he was a Todd Gurley level advantage for your fantasy football team. What will be interesting for Melvin Gordon over this off season. Do they extend him? That's what I want to see is are the chargers committed to Melvin Gordon. I'm one of those racks, I try to make him taller. Need to stretch more. That's your problem. He's he's in his fifth year option. It do they extend him or do. They are they going to take that hardline Levy on bell approach that says we've worn you out. And we we don't think you're going to be as valuable in those next to the running back. Do not become a running back in the NFL. I I'm not going to now Zola. The only reason I I only pondering believe it or not number eight is the name you probably didn't expect. But James white was the number eight running back and half raise her reception leagues. This is the James white who in week one of the of the NFL playoffs just put up a fifteen reception game because out of nowhere, James. Why becomes the center of the offense from time to time week five has no recessions game film of the patriots in the playoffs. They're going to throw the ball to James white. We'll just look at what he did against Kansas City. Oh what a day. It was such a day. It was a game. Well, the the snow ish conditions. Oh, yeah. The lightest not snow but snowing. I mean it vary throughout the game. Look when he was on the field. He did some things. Yeah. Listen, James, white sixteen games. It's very rare that a player would finish number eight with ninety four rushing attempts at the running back position. But that's what James did because he had eighty seven receptions, seven hundred fifty one receiving yards and more than that a total of twelve touchdown says through the air five on the ground. That's the really surprising part. And while they while he is used in a great way by Bella check by Brady in the passing game. I don't think you can Bank on this. Because if you look at the truth of win his numbers came it. You know, he he was thrust into the role that was necessary because of certain pieces of time where it was like, okay. There was no Ataman. We need him. Now. Now birkhead on we need we need him. And then when when everybody was kind of healthy and in their those were winning Sony will also went out for right, miss sometimes. So. That was win his down games came if they used him as they did when when he was just looking if you literally just look at a snap percentages use him the way that they used them when they needed him. He he'd be great. He be good. They just plain don't need to do that. And the thing is when you look at them at number eight now girly zero percent of the time. You busted saquon zero McCaffrey zero Kamera seven percent Zeke seven percent Connor zero Gordon zero James white James White's up at twenty percent nineteen percent. And you had games where? Yeah, you were surprised you were excited week four twenty seven points. We fourteen three points week fifteen six point two points. So weak ten five points. So that I mean when you only have ninety four rushing attempts. You're gonna see variants you're going to see issue. And when you don't have a guy that's considered by many to be a frontline guy. I just don't know how how do people feel about James white this year where they win. They were guided or did they feel like he was a guy that every time he popped you tried to throw him in? And then you weren't sure where we're going to get. There was a period of time when he was dominant where I was trying to trade for him because he looked as secure as it came all the way up until week nine. He was just a an integral piece to that offense. But I think looking back people aren't that excited because he really fell off once everybody got healthy. And I think that's where it's gonna go way higher than him. Right. Yes. Yes. And and he should I think what the problem was for for James white was you became secure using them. And then week ten hit. You saw the points fall off a cliff, and it was okay. Just one game another mediocre game. Two more mediocre games that that's what people will remember. But what I think you should remember that James why it's going to be a great value. Yes. To me. He will be a great value, especially in any kind of PR league where he's going to be. She. Late. He's going to be a late draft pick despite being the number eight running. He's his situation with his contract. He will be back. He's like THEO Riddick. Theo Riddick was never drafted. Nobody wants to grab feel Riddick over the last few years every year, he says a man's theoretic though. But it's like when you're drafting your a lot of times what happens is you get your first running back. You get your second running back. And then you start swinging for the fences you take those third fourth fifth running back to you draft. And what you're doing is. You're trying to find the guy that man if he gets the role because job is going to be unbelievable grab a guy like James the job as your fourth running back because if you need to plug him in for injuries for by weeks for things like that in a PR leak. He's he's going to be fine. He's you know, that that's how I feel about James white kill mixing number nine consistency ranked number ten. This is a good year. Saw a guy in a bad position on a bad team. Two hundred thirty seven rushing attempts one thousand one hundred sixty eight yards eight touchdowns on the ground. Another forty three receptions and a touchdown on. The five targets he missed a couple of games. He only busted seven percent of the time. And he was good. Seventy one percent of the time. This was a really good year for Joe mix. And you saw all the town on display. You saw team commit to them. They're making a transition from Marv. Oh, hey, yeah. Marvin Lewis to show and look the sky's the limit for Joe mixing. He is a he's like saquon light when you apply the bad roster bat offensive line, not winning a lot of games. So it didn't get to run the clock out a lot of the time. He's not saquon by any means, but he's in a similar situation with the team. Yeah. While Andy Dalton was there up through week twelve Joe mixing was the running back twelve. So he was he was running back one. And I think their offense gets better this year. I think they needed to get rid of Marv. And yeah, what we saw in college. Come. Into last season his rookie year. There was so much hype around Joe mix talent, and you just didn't see it last year. You really didn't. And you know this year. It was like, okay. He is who everybody thought he was. And I think he's going to be a really safe picnics here why he averaged the third most rushing yards per game of any running back eighty three point four yards per game. I think that he this is kind of where probably where he belongs next year probably in that eight nine range, right? And where you're drowning. The interesting thing will be Giovanni Bernard. The team can move on from him for very minimal hit against their cap. Oh, that's pretty cool. Mark wallenburg. This me if if deal's gone, I could step up, it's very possible. But what I was also going to say is he's not super expensive about four and a half million dollars or three point seven five. I should see. I think I think you want GIO to stay. If I were a fantasy owner, okay? Makes an I want geo Bernard to stay one hundred percent. Do you ever notice rushing attempts? Very very very very low this year. He had two games or mixing missed and he was fifteen and twelve but in the games you played two two one five whatever yourself. So you're looking like receptions and the first four games to a game. But he had a six he had a one he had a four that would be the area that you would say maybe mixing benefit from somebody. That's you know, Mark Walton? Yeah. Hey, yeah. That's what I think. So I guess either way mixes the workhorse right with a new coaching staff in place there. That's where I'd rather GOP gone because when they get into training camp, and they go, hey, Geos, actually a really good player because he is. Is they might want to use him more. If it's just Mark Wallenburg and another rookie that they pick up then that's going to be far more difficult. I don't know. If I grew that. But oh, that's good. All the guy did was named Mark Walden this pork. Or what have you poor guy? This. He wouldn't even be talked about on this show. But he's not we call him a name that is not his name forgotten. His name is Mark that you were. So casual Romberg was going Mark Wallenburg guy. He should be happy. Yeah. He might have a shirt, man. His name's on a shirt right now. Right. But it's not as they this is true. That's the point gets. It gets sparingly a nickname. It's your name fused with another. That sounds like something that might right? And Berg would say, yes, we're gonna how dare you. How dare you? Yeah. David Johnson number ten. I'm game soundboard of Brooks put it on. Did you want bad joke? Oh, I wanted a bat. Something you needed punt things. Oh, sorry. David johnson. He finished in the top ten. Does. He deserve a little praise. Little melodic parades. No, no. All right. No number eleven on consistency. Here was the kicker with David Johnson. Only six percent, aka one of his games in the great category. Only one big time week that was week ten thirty three point eight points. He only busted six percent of the time. So he had a one bus game one gray game and everything else was summer between mediocre and good. We need to go all the way down to running back nineteen on the season to find someone with only a six percent great game finish yet. And that's why people feel like he was a bust. Because they never was the. Yeah. He I mean, even though the position as the number ten running back the way he was utilized was just trash. Yes. Never having any kind of great games. Never winning you any weeks and you drafted a guy to be. I mean when you're drafting that high you need a guy that's gonna come in and throw thirty points down on your opponent over and over and over through the year that wasn't what you got with David Johnson. But you also wanted a lot more than fifty receptions for a guy who twenty sixteen was the number one graded white out by pro football, focus. Yeah. And on top of that was his Evers depth of target under the spectacular. Mike McCoy led offense. His aid dot was point eight yards eight being averaged ever started target and then that that magic year for him in two thousand sixteen. He led all running backs with a four point seven average depth. The target point eight is not going to get the job done. We hope we hope that. Was all completely on the shoulders of Mike McCoy, maybe a little remnants is that the word we're going to be David Johnson over the next two years one hundred. I don't know about three years years we're getting into near thirty, but he's been paid. Right. And this team had as bad of an office of line situation that you could have football. I think it's the worst. And I believe that David Johnson finished higher than ten next years. Something to realize what the coaching change. So pro football, focus. They ranked him as the number one wide receiver two years ago because that's how good he was in the past catching game. And that kind of just all went away with Bruce Arians gone cliff Kingsbury, the new running backs coach the new head coach brought in. Here's something that pro football focus pointed out since twenty fourteen cliff kings, berries running backs have received three hundred seventy two targets that's the sixth. Most in the NC double A. They've got two hundred ninety three. Passes the six boats for two thousand five hundred and fifty one receiving yards the fifth most in eighty eight first downs gain cliff is what I like to hear uses the running backs in the past passing game. That's what they brought them in for we hold huge for David John. You say you hope as a DJ fan as a fantasy owner of David Johnson UC, Mike McCoy in the very Jeff Fisher light in cliff Kingsbury in them, very, Sean McVay light. Yes. And even if it's just a little bit of the same of the Sean McVeigh, it's gotta get better for DJ. All right on next episode. We'll handle more running backs getting to the truth about players like Philip Lindsey who rookie sensation Terry Cohn. Derrick Henry, oh the truth. Carson Nick Chubb. Ooh, I gotta stop head. Let's do this. Instead. Deal. Coming today's pristine dealer today. A James countersigned Steelers throwback jersey sold yesterday on pristine. For ninety two dollars and fourteen. I wish so we have a James Connor jersey. We don't we should get. I should get us one. But Steelers throwbacks jerseys are great not to be confused. That's ups jerseys. Oh, which are very similar to what we talked about. In the beginning of the show. So very seen auction dot com. Never out making a bid on Pristina's completely free making it account is completely free. Check them out. 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Hour 1: Aaron Rodgers MVP?

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Hour 1: Aaron Rodgers MVP?

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Jones del desk gambling. That shepherd, Taylor urban those are all the guys that caught passes from Aaron Rodgers last night in other words, Tom Brady. Is Not the only guy that's making wide receivers a lot of money and making maybe look a lot better than they really are. But who knows maybe these guys are really great and errands just accentuating them welcome inside we're presented by Progressive Insurance Fellas it was strange last night Jay your Yankees played. We had a bunch of Major League team will win big win boom. Literally they've been eleven home runs in three postseason games. Nominal he hit a grand slam last night extent. Hey. Man Looking for to go the wanting bigger. He wanted him out of New York now. Don't put out false narratives rollercoaster overripe house if I say. I. Want Him out. They say you okay. Said last night was fun though there was a lot of days they wanted about new. York. That's for sure Andy Rare week four Monday night doubleheader. We're used to that on week one here on ESPN I got sucked in to the Kansas City New. England game in a forgot about the actual money not game for mini right number. I was watching can't see New England, and then I realized. Oh, wait there's another game going all the time. I had to do back and forth, but it was good I mean it was entertaining for me. It really was. So what's the big takeaway on Aaron Rodgers after yet another virtuoso performance pack remain undefeated at the beginning of the year I had the MVP you know we do a little MVP stuff and put Russell Wilson before even through a pass Russell, Wilson has been on course to winning the MVP now slightly derailed him an put Aaron Rodgers in front of him based on the way Aaron Rodgers played last night way he's been playing he was. Out there again was amazing us in in put up some phenomenal numbers and I know it was Atlanta but you still have to be able to perform flawlessly and when you look at Aaron Rodgers, that's what he did. Last night four touchdowns three, hundred, thirty yards in the air. When you watch some of the things that he's capable of doing with the in Tanya, I mean it was ridiculous. He found the guy that was an undrafted free agent out of Indiana's estate in when he manipulates that football on the corner out for the touchdown just like. Didn't, he hits him on the shallow cross for the touchdown just sitting there going man, where were you at in my life being able to find him when he stumbling on the ground to steal be able to sit in the pocket let him regain his ability to get up after he had the free release Aaron Rodgers found him in the back of the end zone for the touchdown gave him three touchdowns and making him. Look like an all pro tidying. So when you look at that Jay, will you look at how this season has gone for Green Bay four? No Aaron. Rogers come into the year everybody talking about he needed a receiver he was out there. We'll Lazar who I think is gone for the year at Davante Adams has been in and out of the lineup probably back next year wanted to play last night didn't happen so when. You look at all at Air Jones Finding Aaron Jones making him a receiving threat Jamal. Williams. Making him or receiving threat. It's just like well, what can you say he's doing more in my opinion with less than a Russell Wilson Russell Wilson has some pretty good wide receivers to throw to whether decay metcalf whether as lock it Greg Olson. It's a little bit different. Let let me let me give my flowers I Aaron. Rodgers everybody keeps talking about all the options that he has. There's one option and that's Aaron. Rodgers. He is option. Look what he's done through four weeks versus Vikings devante atoms tougher seventy-eight-year-old franchise record with one hundred with fourteen catches for hundred and fifty six yards week to verse Alliance Aaron Jones Wrestler one hundred sixty eight yards. We three versus saints. LAZARD has a career high hundred and forty, six yard receiving and then four Robert. By week everybody gets healthy and then we will get a chance to see them Tampa, Bay? It's going to be incredible game to watch but I let me go back to your point. Is. Aaron Rodgers in the MVP MVP conversation. Yes for sure I don't know how you give him a slight edge keep hearing. You say, well, he's throwing it to us. Well, Aaron Jones is not a mere you. He's running back though we'll okay the difference when you're running back catching balls then wire receiver it's. New last year he had he had twenty rushing touchdowns, most NFL over that span. Rushing no I understand. Okay. But he's a he's an elite option. Running back, he led the NFL rushing touchdowns last year throwing the ball and catching with your hands is different than me handing it to you. Okay. But he has to have good hands in order to catch it though correct but he's not a threat in receiving game. So Aaron Rodgers has to be precise putting the ball. Vessel when I look at that, that's why I put him slightly ahead right now just based on last right now. Hold on let me finish jump in front of devante Adams last night. But okay. So since two thousand sixteen, he has forty two receiving touchdowns most in the NFL. Over that span. So I just want to debunk this whole thing that we keep saying that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have weapons here here, right? Okay. All not in the past. Okay. I'll just say. Here's some pretty decent weapon though besides Devante Adams how would you? How would you compare? How would you compare Aaron Jones to Chris Carson? From Seattle. comparible I guess comparable comparable. To Aaron Jones is comparable it's. Six in one hand half a dozen the other I think if you got them both on the board, you satisfy not. Holler You. It's not about the running back. It's about the wide receivers voluntary. Adams is the only guy veteran guy on that Green Bay roster that you look to say, we got a problem with him. Russell Wilson has he came back guy that you look at and you go. Okay. This good. You GotTa look at everything not just the number. All right. Let's let's quality competition. So Green Bay is pay play the Vikings. All right the lions. The Saints Goodwin. In a falcons. Okay so Russell since. Plate. Falcons. Patriots you pick them to go to championship game. Win Okay. Cowboys. Yeah. But still there options. Came was a sling. Bomb By. Russell. Wilson. Jason Williams. The COB, which is gave I nine. Hundred Yours Damn Cleveland. Say That but still the weapons that. All right. So where would you rank the cowboys against recipes I mentioned for Greenie Seattle? I'm just saying the cowboys as far as the Vikings Lions Saints Falcons. Would you drink the cowboys above the Vikings? About even would you rank them about the lines? About Them above. All bad team man if. The lies right now they might lose do this you have. All the cowboys play the lines they may loops, they may lose they actually lose the damn game. So we'll have a game. All I'm saying to you is you watch a game I'm not. This is not knocking Aaron Rodgers. He's having a asked the gear and I understand what he did last night but sometimes I think showing you suffer from recency buys I've read a game like I'll give him the slight edge Russell. Wilson I'm game Russell. Wilson. Was All Sunday as a day later only know recently by what I know what I see woman I I enjoy I enjoy. I'll say, so you're giving. So last night gave you the slight edge with Aaron Rodgers after I. Just said that you said he has no weapons, but he doesn't have weapons its next week next week could be different next week it could be different. Okay. One thing I would just say from a macro standpoint is after all the head butting between Matt leflore and Aaron Rodgers the way this offense is clicking now that whole first year or get on the same page right leflore wanted to implement what he wanted. Rogers wanted to remind the floor by the way I'm Aaron. Rodgers. In in what happens in those situations, the is they gotTa Kinda. Get on the same page it's like I got one foot in I'm kind of watching the. Then matlock floor eventually has to come to Aaron Rodgers, believe it or not. I know a lot of people he's a coach. As an Rogers man and we're talking about an era with many years left on his career we're not talking about Aaron Rodgers at the end. No doubt about it whether they drafted Jordan love or not. We WanNa have you get a part of our program as always after last night's game, we're asking you who you more confident into make the Super Bowl. The chiefs are we're going to talk about here in just a bit who are undefeated or the packers who just talked about that are undefeated better chance to make the super bowl at both four. No particular point Jay mentioned with the packers going to the by be part of Keyshawn Jay. Williams. Zubin. Nation on the Dr Pepper twitter feed. That's. Where you're going to hit US UP ESPN nation presented by Dr Pepper. It's official college balls back and so's your favorite Dr Pepper Loving College, Football town fans built head to a store near you treat your inner college football fan to an ice cold twenty ounce Dr. pepper today. So hit us up on the twitter feed at key Jay. Enzi. That's. At key Jay Z, and let us know who you're more confident in to make the Super Bowl, the chiefs or the packers still to come share the pats lost last night. Sure. It was dispiriting. Sure. They had Brian Hoyer out there but Jay will will tell you why you gotta be feeling great. 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That the Voice of Mitchell, the voice, the chiefs, and of course, the voice of the five, hundred, three, million, dollar man Patrick Mahomes all on one Oh, six, five, the Wolf Keyshawn J. will in Zubin were presented by progressive insurance we're ready to go jay if you're watching television, it's certainly been ready to go. He's ready to Rog. We'll talk to our pets insider at the bottom of the hour and essentially ask him look they can't have cam again will be stood him will it'd be Hoyer we saw both last night that is on the way it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight Talk Wireless J. Let's get straight to it. Sure. It was twenty six ten. Sure. You never really felt like the pats at a legitimate quarterback out there but you see this morning when they wake up and start watching some film. Overall is a team after their performance last night, they have a lot of stuff to be proud of I thought their defense played extremely well, of course, look I I don't think anybody came into this game expecting the Patriots to Win Without Cam Newton traveling the day of the game due to all the issues happening with covert. The reality of the matter is look it was six to three. Poor decision making by Brian Hoyer you know I in the second quarter chance to tied up all game going into the half there was questionable fumble. By Patrick Mahomes. That wasn't called. There's a lot of things I'm throwing A. At the end of the game. Eshelman who actually led the league in and dropped catches last year had a chance to make that catch. There's a lot of questions obviously around quarterback but still deepens as you felt like they were in the game the whole game against the Kansas City chiefs offense that we all know we've seen it happen key they can explo- so fast to three touchdown. So fast, the fact that the Patriots were in the game close it in I think speaks volumes about this team and how well they are coached going into the next couple of games, the broncos, the forty niners when you get cam back I, think everything is still turning in the right direction for a team of vehicle you. You certainly. Take this as a moral victory as a player, it's like no lost football game When you look at the quarterback situation Bryant hoary started because Brian Are you have familiarity with the offense. He's a veteran guy. He gives you an opportunity to win football game. Jared Stenham had not been active all season long. In three games for them. So he basically was on the sideline with three clothes on. So, he's got active. He moves from the inactive quarterback to the number two guy with an opportunity to play in in make some sort of statement comeback that this is the reason you drafted me they define. There's no question about it moving forward. He probably will be the star in the next two, three games I don't think Cam I don't know what the protocol is for camp coming back. But whenever camp comes back, it's camps job obviously. But until then Jarrett's cinema probably hold that seat in hold tight you could go into the game you could went. Into that game with a similar game plan with Brian Hoyer Brian Hoya actually did a decent job methodically at times leading the team down the field. The biggest problem with him is he couldn't get his team into the end zone. When you look at right before the half, the J will mention he took a ill-advised sacked in try to call a timeout. I guess he was nervous. So he thought he was co about each should know better being a veteran in his league. There's a clock in your head. You got to get rid of that football got thrown into the last thing you need to do in this situation is take a sack, throw it in the third row just get rid of it live to see another day in another time in the red zone down there he's pat and a ball he's sitting there and putting it to sleep. You don't WanNa put the baby to sleep. You go ahead and throw the baby and stance. I mean. That's just what we call the football situation. Literally. Doesn't make sure we clear that. Football Jordan and so when you look the that's impressive when you when you look at it from that perspective. You have to think that they're going to get them ready for the next this next game against the broncos I believe. So they play correct. Should he be able to beat the broncos? Yeah. But they got the one thing that is great about New England is they are will coached period. They're well coached I, mean that's just what it is. I've seen and we've all seen bill belichick. Win Tom Brady was not in the lineup win games with backups so it wouldn't be it wouldn't have been surprised to me had Brian Horia play well enough which I think he did accept he couldn't get the team into the end zone to be Kansas City pay because what happens we Kansas City is Kansas City starts to play to New England. Instead of dictating their style of play, they start allowing New England to dictate that and that's why they were in a close game facts. I was GONNA say Patriots three hundred and fifty seven total yards chiefs three hundred. And Twenty Three Patriots Twenty first twenty one first downs, chiefs nineteen. So it's an the patriots hold onto the ball held onto the ball time of possession thirty, one minutes and thirty four seconds, and that's how they beat you with that ground attack. There's no doubt about it. You're mentioning a key castle Bruce said, Garoppolo, they've been able to do it. So key had his theory on why Hoyer got to start over stadium and what's going to happen moving forward. You're more bullish on stood Bella. Chuck. was asked that exact question last night. Let's take a listen to his rationale. Decision to start Brian Hoyer over stood on tonight and did you consider going to stay earlier? We do stuff. So that's what we do. And it's a simple as. I was waiting for something I didn't know he was. Bill something else. We'll say. This is the best chance to win. That's it just. I couldn't even hear him. That's what he said. No, he's the best chance to win no to the question. The question was what essentially why did you start? And his answer was that's what we do and here one more time just. Sounded muffled. Let's. The decision to start Brian Hoyer over stood on tonight and did you consider going to stay with him earlier? So we do. We do better than we do not going to give you the which is co lot look. Again Jared Steinem. had. been inactive for three straight weeks. He's been near he knows the offense I think this is his third time it is around there. So. It's like it's not even something to even have a conversation about but I. Second have he made the man in pulling it was that strip sack man it was nice to sack him. He drove the ball down entire field in the Strip sock like in the Golan last thing I'd mentioned with all the coaches flouting all the mass protocol about sixty eight year old bill belichick during to masks on the field. Last night being extra careful. Especially being in that susceptibility of age at sixty eight straight talk wireless no contract no compromise still to come. So what is the patch protocol? When could Cam Newton return all the answers courtesy of our PATS INSIDER Will and Sylvan, the podcast. I can guarantee you. There were several million people watching the NFL last night including the chiefs in the pats. That's reporter Mike Reese joins us on the shell pennzoil performance line pennzoil synthetic motor oils made from natural gas gives the unbeatable engine protection the priests in the pennzoil based on sequence for a test using. Five W. Thirty Mike. Good. Morning I think the I think the biggest question everybody wants to know in pats nation what is the latest regarding Cam Newton and a possible return after his Kobe diagnosis? This Sunday? We'll sue been the key for Cam. Newton is has he shown any symptoms from the positive test and we don't know for sure but it sounds like all indications are that he hasn't, and if that's the case if Cam Newton, can turn over to negative tests over a two day span. He would be eligible to return after five days from when his initial positive test was. So that's the key, and if that's the way it goes, he would be available to them for Sunday's game against Denver Mike Welcome to the show. Is. Zubin say in little mistake but that's okay. Cleaned it up. You know moving forward how are the Patriots feel about the circumstances that they're dealing with with the quarterback situation? Not really knowing if it's going to be cam, it's going to be still them or Hoyer. So key I would say they're going one game season because they have a Sunday home game against Denver a team that in a lot of ways is dealing with the same situation with drew lock. So the idea and you know this better than anyone from having played for Bill Belichick is win that one game get to your by week hopefully for them three and two and. Then, just get cam back and move forward and hopefully you know you don't have any more issues with the covid nineteen because what we saw last night was the clear difference between when they have Cam Newton at quarterback and either Brian. Hoyer Jarret. Stidham how how did they feel coming out of the game with those guys at quarterback was it was it? We need to get cam back. Like they did some stuff. They just didn't get any in zoning time. Well I I would say probably more the first parque the and they're not gonna say this right after the game like we gotta get Cam back or we're in trouble but I think you just sorta got look at the bottom line as to how it unfolded last night you know they they were going to go into the season with Brian Hoyer or Jarret Stidham as their quarterbacks until Cam Newton had agreed to join them and July eighth at a bargain-basement price. So that was I opening and I would say for them you. Know whoever was in there because he's a veteran because they hoped he wouldn't make the mistakes in the red zone You know taking a sack when they could have had a few goal. That's the one thing he couldn't do holding onto the ball too long with another strip sack losing more points in the red zone. So I think I would say there's more concern there key than anything Mike. Let's talk about that bargain basement price for Cam Newton after watching game last evening when can we expect cam the signing an extension? I said Jay You know he's been asked that the last couple of times you know he's held interviews and he said that's that's on the back burner. He's GonNa put that on hold and there's no real urgency for him right now to do that, he's called this a business trip for him and that it's not about that it's about respect I don't think he wants that is focused right now and I'm not even sure he's interested in pursuing that at this time I believe both sides look at it and say that will happen when. It's meant to happen and right now let's focus on the short term picture. It was a great move. A ton of teams can grab Cam Newton if they wanted to the pats waited, it's a marriage of convenience and it could turn out to be a marriage of love here. Really really soon short week for the pats they're gonNA have welcomed the Denver Broncos into Foxborough on Sunday and Michael be there to cover. Thank you very much. Thanks. Thanks. Guess. So the big question you guys kind of broached in and we've been talking about it all morning. The move to stood him eventually, you know stadium has a lot more moving forward. Right you mentioned Brian has been there familiarity is there that may have felt the coaching staff more comfortable third go around. But at this particular point, don't you have to see at some point obviously with cam being there but don't you have to see from a backup perspective what you really have stood in this particular point I think you saw a little bit of it last night but you could see it as from a coaching staff in a player's standpoint you could see it in practice. You're right he'd get the preseason till next season. But you could. You could tell he's been there. He's been around, they know what they have in a building. But from veterans standpoint you went to Brian Hoyer you look at when stem came in and he was able to throw the touchdown and kill Harry Nice point ball bucket stroke at the back pylon in the end zone. gave him an opportunity to catch the ball. That's some of the things that he can do and he can do. Well, I think as time goes. You'll see what you have but Z., he's a damn backup man they got Cam Newton period in ain't nothing to see. You just know if anything was happening camp, you got a guy that you can now turn to that can give you oportunities in put your team in a position to try to score points, Essiet he ain't GonNa? Be there time to just think about this what happens in the last couple of? Months Urban. So you're not sure you have Cam Newton you're holding workouts throughout the summer pandemic workouts trying to show your leadership. It's all of sudden. You get Cam Newton you're on the back burner. Now, your backup qb to Cam Newton contracts covid to Brian Hoyer becoming the starter to him starting to you then coming into fourth quarter China. Re a comeback the sometimes I just want to give this context to fans. And I'm not I'm not saying he's answered but the amount of pressure that you have to think for somebody that your job is on the line in those minutes to make something happen at the only time that you can showcase what you can do I've had this happen to me when I came back I wasn't a starter for New Jersey Nets trying to come back and play also someone you're when you're minutes Are So limited that you try to squeeze everything you try to make everything. So perfect just to prove that you belong on the field, it puts exponentially way more pressure on you. Then having the time to be on the field like Brian Hoyer did to complete passes and find the rhythm of the game I'm just saying now I'm not saying it makes the right just saying, no, no, you're right I mean if it If they go to him in the first quarter, they say Brian Hurry you stink get out and they go to Jason them in the first quarter. Maybe by the time they get to the fourth quarter. He's more comfortable. But because the familiarity as they were Brian, Horrigan, you trust that Brian Hoyer isn't going to screw it up just like mice research right there in a red zone situation Bryant Hor has been in the league and he's been in the red zone. How many times? Right in this since he's been, he's been Renzo Million Times. You know. You don't turn down ball over in the red zone. Let alone you know situational football. The one thing I can promise you is doing Patriots Bill Belichick mcdaniels go over situational football we got X. amount of minutes on x amount of seconds on the clock right before halftime. We don't take sex red zone. We don't throw the ball over the middle of the field in the red zone because they're interceptions throw the ball in the third row. I bet you my right arm. They've had a conversation with him a million times. Oh you saw when walking out during the half Josh mcdaniels Bill we're walking together and they were steaming well. Stealing conversation the conversation is such that these are the things that you do is like a it's like a blueprint you know what it is. So for whatever reason Bryant Horry was holding onto the football and in took that sack and then try to call a time out and took the three points off the board. If they kick that in they make that Z., it becomes six six. Now you've got Kansas City thinking different opposed the going up into the locker room six three. They. Crazy as it may sound, three points is a world of difference for the thought process at halftime. Any team that plays the chiefs and can keep them to not scoring down in the first half. That's a huge accomplishment. Keep in mind one other things for stadium. We gotta give him some time. We talked about how much of a veteran that Hoyer is thank you very much. You're on the air. Choke you. Go Get some water j you could talk. All right. Here's the thing. How many passes let's play a little jail of this little gambling over under. Career passes for Jarrett Stidham right now over under twenty. All right now right now, you can create including last night hitting last night over under Lou gambling early for you he. I'll take the. Windy, he's under twenty seventeen. To so think of how much money do I went. Towards your point Gordon. That's where. That was cheating though for me, but they only four passes going into the game. Correct either four passes all of last year as a fourth round pick out of Auburn in twenty, one, thousand, nine hundred, and he was two for four one of those basically a back to sit over here with us, right? So it's one of the. Fault though no, not last night. They were playing a game and Brady came out because they were beaten the team and he came in first pick come over with us but seventeen four last year thirteen last night. So it's Too premature for even the most surface level observations I think Jarrett's. The amount of What the great thing about it is. The coach, the head coach and office coordinator Josh mcdaniels Bill Belichick. They don't need a whole lot. They there there they see it. We're not there. So we need seven gains and we need, but they're in the room within the classroom is important. We talked about the quarterback or any player for that matter because you need to know what to do I can't put you on the field if you don't know what to do because you get somebody hurt that's extremely important for Bilby is to know what you're doing before puts you out there. So if he knows what he's doing, that's half the battle now he gets out on the field. Now let's see what you can do when the bullets go to fly because on that freeway. If you've ever been on the freeway I, don't know if you drive like the. Four Oh, fuck those cars are flying by in. That's like those defense alignment when they're coming, it looks different than it does in practice the cars ever fly by on a four or five I'm always sitting in traffic. You. At the wrong full, you're wrong in you over there you're you're at the rich end of the four or five I. Had Brentwood. Landers no down by Carson I'm in Carson. Okay. So being used to see cars fly by if you bought Carson. Of course, you see a flood. At this time of day, even in La able to drive, he sean j will Zubin presented by progressive insurance with insurance for cars, homes, boats, motorcycles RV's in commercial vehicles at one eight, hundred progressive in progressive dot com key mentioned it. We'll go from Bill Bilby, Bill Ob, but I eighty. Is brought to you by red box new red box, irresistible hilarious comedy writer Director John. Stewart John Back Twenty twenty made his name the elections of course right starring Steve Carell and Rose Byrne visit red box dot com for all the ways to watch Yankees got a bunch of home runs hit eleven in three playoff games. They Win Astros got four RBI from Korea, day when Jay or Yankees off to a good start we're coming eleven home runs thirty one runs through the first three playoff games. That's most all time through three playoff games. The series resumed today both National League series will get underway to including keys dodgers taking on the padres Marlins will also be in action. See if they can continue it against Atlanta that'll be on the way today all four games on ESPN radio key want to get your thoughts on this. The NFL I said, we'll find the coach will find the organization will strip draft picks, and now if you flout the covid nineteen violations, we might make you forfeit a game. What do you think about this well I think that that is real horse but At the at the they need to do something right and I think coach is they've gotten it now where you won't see nearly as many coaches as you did the first couple weeks playing around with their mask. Now, they kind of they got it at the because it's on notice and what happened with the raiders at the fundraiser that was just something a little bit of an outlier. By them not really paying attention to the rules. The rules state that you're supposed to wear mask at all venues. No matter where you're at in Las Vegas I think they just thought okay. We're not playing football. We don't have to conform formed in those particular rules. Yes. Strongly worded memo to point Darren Wall of the raiders held in event in Las Vegas essentially nobody was wearing masks in the league wasn't happy in clearly the Texans weren't happy with their head coach slash general manager Bill O'Brien he's been fired after an start Romeo Cornell well-traveled well, respected assistant will take over for the rest of the year they got Jacksonville. On Sunday and if you're surprised by this news, you should have been listening to the show yesterday. Here's a clairvoyant key. They need to move on from bill, O'Brien they gotta make a decision either they move on from him as the head coach or they move on from him as general manager because the Shawn Watson they the second highest paid quarterback in the National Football League. They have him out there look like he forgot how to play football. I mean it's ridiculous. It's all on Bill O'Brien. That's what I would say if they don't make it to the playoffs this year and make a deep run they need to just move on from him because any other coach wouldn't have these opportunities. He's getting I promise you that apparently they didn't wait. No, they didn't wait now man waiting to the playoffs. We're getting ready to get rid of this do now at four which look. Did dip. Did you can look at a lot of different ways did bill O'Brien? The General Manager Kit Bill O'Brien the head coach fire I would say yes. Did Bill O'Brien the head coach. Do Anything with the talent that Bill O'Brien, the general manager gave him I would say now really now he won four straight divisions in a week division without Andrew Luck and some of the Tennessee and Jacksonville. A mess, right. So when you look at that you go. Okay. But you also traded today beyond clowney because you didn't WanNa pay him. Got I. Think you a third round pick for him. But you pay them, you pay them a salary. Well, yeah you. Ties. But you you look at you look at what they got in return from Seattle was third round pick. Then, you decide that you got a young quarterback in Deshaun Watson that you don't have a Alpha dog receiver to pair with mother you did have one but you decided not to pay him shipped him to Arizona for what people consider throwaway because you didn't get enough value in return not even a first round. No. Contract Known Johnson. Then, when you look at what Minnesota did with Buffalo for Stefan Digs, they gotta one. So it's like, okay, you took David Johnson, which David Johnson's a good football player, but he's not De'andre Hopkins plus he's a running back. So when you start to look at all of those sorts of things, you put them together. You say, well, he got him fired and he got him fired because he can't win the bottom line you laughing at. I don't get a chance to do this too often football stuff because you know way more football than me but three and a half weeks ago man I said up here and I told you, I said it to you. I said, I don't think bill O'Brien's answer as GM, and as a head coach you sat up here and told me well, they got brandin cooks and. Let me just. John David Johnson is going to be okay I'm give him the benefit of the doubt I'm sitting here saying `look man like all the moves he's made. Do you know where this team this year they currently rank last in NFL rushing yards per game failing to score over twenty three points or more throughout four season due out four games. I understand David Johnson not giving you the time that they will even this goes back. This is he got fired because horrible personnel decisions even go back to Erin Kovin where they offered him after a single week in two thousand nineteen. One year removed from giving him. Thirty four million dollar extension. They let him go like this is a history from. Bill. O'Brien. Read, into a good job as far as putting it putting A. Once Rick Smith left a team GM GM gentleman's Rick. Smith left the team because he had some personal issues with his family that he had to take serious and deal with they wind up kind of floating around they brought in a Brian gains as a general manager Brian Gains Bill Bryant out he takes over he takes control of Personnel Brandin cooks receiver from the rams thousand yards everywhere he's ever been. All. He needed to stay healthy one of the top young receivers in the game. For whatever reason they're not getting enough out of him with the shot I have no idea. Brandon. Brandon steals steals the receiver Kenny Kenny steals. Win I br I was about to get brandin cooks again here. Sorry. Solid. Then, when you look fuller when healthy, the vertical stretch game opens up the lanes for David Johnson, why they haven't been productive offensively I have no idea but you can't tell me when you look at those three receivers. If. You know anything about football you look at those three beginning year you can't sit here and say, well, those or trash. All Hindus can ball is just that I don't know what? Bill. O'Brien did from an offensive philosophy standpoint to change what he did when he had the Andrea I'm never saying that those guys are trashed. It's not what I was saying at all. No. No, you didn't. I'm just saying that those guys are guys in his league when you pair those three anybody with Terry, they got a lot of options right there i. hear you. I have four three dudes can all run I'm just going back to it felt like, would you Davey and cloudy and Deandre Hopkins it felt personal. Well, I. was like a, what's the right business decision? What's the right interest for team? especially with the way Shawn Watson Deandra Hopkins were connecting all the time and I know they're Cuba watching column Murray and the Andre Hopkins connect it makes you feel every time I watch the cardinals play, right? So even balances though, Jay there was no checks and balances for when coaches have dual hats and football there's no checks and balances they just run everything even though Bill Belichick runs everything up there. He still has people that he trusts from checks and balances standpoint because he secure in his position, he doesn't feel threatened a lot of times guys. got. Guys like Bill O'Brien you bring somebody in you feel threatened in that may have been part of the case with him well, I did a ballroom interview. With, Kevin Durant image climate with Laremy Tunsil and talk to him about he negotiate his own deal. have an agent right at five million dollars over asking price over market value. Right and I'm saying like Tunsil deserves his money. But at the same time that relationship that he has bill Brian the fact there is no checks or balances allows them to make decisions like that and sometimes seem like their emotional decisions. Well, a lot of his decisions probably were emotional and guiding fire. Will he get another job as a head coach? He probably should get another job as head coach but in the meantime, he should go sit in a corner for another year. So just sit in the corner sit tight a year to. Know nobody should get your thoughts figure out where you're at in life and breathe go fishing do all of those sorts of things can happen and then come back rejuvenated in a couple of years and become a better head coach in not trying to be the entire boss money talks even though you know this is the recycling just like the NBA filtering out. Yeah. But I'm only recycling winning recycling dues as teetering alone. Okay. Right I mean why would I want I could go get that from anywhere. Okay just. To put a bow on Jay's point about Laremy Tunsil. That was one of the big demerits against Bill O'Brien talked about how much more tunsil got the idea that the acquired him needed him to protect the Shawn Watson. So they had to pay him above market value and then O'Brien says because we signed Tunsil I can't afford the Andre Hopkins that was his rationale not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's wrong but that ended up being his issue, compare who you want to pay that's true you can pay. They'll find the money tax everywhere everywhere they'll pay who they want to. Come. Off, to the best a quarterback in NFL history statistically speaking but key says he is not your DP.

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HOUR 3- Reggie Miller Aug 25, 2020

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HOUR 3- Reggie Miller Aug 25, 2020

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We'll talk to Reggie. Miller the hall of Famer. Get his thoughts off last night's action. Lakers role the blazers up three games to one everything's good. Everything's fine nothing to see here right as the Lakers get ready to put away the Blazers Jazz nuggets game five tonight Mavericks Clippers Game Five another reason to watch. We have a wheel of punishment on the line. I'm taking Luke Don don-shik to have less than twenty nine points tonight against the clippers and there's a pie to the face at stake. All four Danettes are taking the over one Luca, Danni chick, and if they lose all four of the dentists get applied to the face. So we'll talk about that. Here's Lebron James on plainclothes out which have with the blazers. Now Lakers three games to one. It's the hardest game because the teacher plan what are desperate and they plan all along they'll give you everything today guy. because they know they can be you know sitting home and Damian Lillard gotta get started sooner if he's going to be healthy enough because they were down twenty four. And he hit his first three of the night, his first basket of the night. I think it was thirty eight to fourteen speaking of a score Lebron James looked up and saw the score was twenty four to eight, and of course, this was where they were there a Kobe Bryant Mama Jerseys and couldn't help but think twenty, four and eight the to Jersey numbers that Kobe war. I did notice that we were up twenty four day because I'm always trying to figure out what was going on throughout the course of the game. I'm always looking if we're out with down with the team fouls and all of that nature when I looked at twenty four, that was okay this is Here in the building. So you know it was a beautiful knife far franchise something we probably always remember. Yeah. We special brought a smile on my face when I just saw twenty, four eight and I just kind of grinned. But it was over early the Lakers played inspired basketball there. Maybe it was in large part or at least some part to a Kobe Bryant in honoring him. So Jazz Nuggets Game Five. Mavericks in the Clippers Game Five and you start to wonder about what happened with the thunder beating the rockets last night they that series at two games apiece. The ramifications, the repercussions that are going to happen if the rockets don't advance Mike to in Tony's not coming back, Mike Dantonio probably not coming back if they don't get to the western conference. Again. We watched the rockets in watching that lives and dies with the three and when they live it's spectacular when they die it's still spectacular. They missed twenty three at twenty five during one stretch there. And I gotta ask Reggie Miller about this at some point I have to either rest. James Harden or maybe we just go for a layup. This a team that Ms Twenty, seven consecutive threes in the playoffs before. I gotta get something that breaks the ice here but James Harden look spent. Damian Lillard look spent and I can understand dame being spent because they had to do everything. They could just to get into the playoffs James Harden we've seen this before playoff time and the over reliance on him no Russell Westbrook cared and I give Oklahoma City a lot of credit. Now, they hung in there and pulled out the window tie this series at two games apiece. Here's James, Harden on the good and the bad of last night restraint from on both ends of the ball. Obviously. So No, we don't score the basketball and get back to Pennsylvania score. They go on their own obviously, you know teams are GonNa make. This to the way they they made their run. You know you weren't getting our shot that we will offensively and defensively weren't sticking to our principles and So it was a disaster in both. Here's the number to keep an eye on. Free throws free throws attempted by the rockets they attempted ten free throws. Hard. Have that at halftime. They got attempt at least twenty free throws. But if you're just going to be shooting the threes in Oklahoma City knows that you know lay off them don't foul them when they're shooting threes and that's what happened. Last night the heat sweep, the Pacers I have no idea how good the heat are you enjoy watching them I said this in the first hour and some people reacted. Eric's bolster is going to be a hall of fame coach when it's all said and done, he's going to go to the hall of fame and he's done a great job with this team with Pat Riley and some of the pieces they brought in and they look this is an and outmanned pacers team but still. The heater fun to watch. Bucks over the magic up three games to one and as I mentioned thunder over the rockets couple of phone calls in here. I did ask this and I'm GONNA s Reggie this the most watchable team in the East right now is that the Bucks Raptors Celtics the heat. Because the bucks are playing the early game. And that tells you an awful lot. When's the last time? You had an MVP who wasn't put in prime time during the playoffs. Now I'm sure it's happened but. Lebron won a few of the. Russell Westbrook James. Harden. But with the Greek freak is great as he is the bucks just aren't must see TV. The Raptors I think are really good team but I think you have to be a basketball aficionado to go I'm going to tune in and watch the raptors. They're well coached there. Really Good Team Celtics I think are probably the most interesting team because tatum Brown and Kimbe. and. Brad Stevens good. Coach. Celtics with their tradition and then. I think I went celtics heat. Raptors bucks as far as who is the most interesting watchable team in the east and I know it's painful to hear. But if you're Milwaukee who cares just win. It's the same thing with the raptors like. Who's going to tune into watch? The Raptors last year Oh is anybody GonNa Watch the Raptors in the finals and I went who cares if you're raptors fan just win the damn thing I don't care who's watching. I'd rather say, Hey, you should watched. Look at what you missed. And if that's the case with a box out there and win it. Shut. Everybody out also maybe you'll be a tune-in factor next year mclovin IF COLLI and the clippers lose this round and the raptors go far is that sort of waterdown collided last year in a weird way? To. Like I can't trumpet him as he's now the best player in the game and then if they would bail out against Dallas? Donald could ease they could be up three games to one. Could. And nobody wanted to buy into Dallas. Beating the clippers of setting the clippers because there was no juice there everybody was focused on Portland up setting the Lakers and all what's that mean to Lebron? Well, if Lebron's legacy is at stake here then so his Co. is and certainly so as Paul George's. Paul George pick up a white courtesy phone and I don't know if he's injured. That's that would be my first question is, is there something going on there because he hasn't been good at either end of the floor and I would expect him to at least be great on the defensive in I mentioned earlier in the show Earl Thomas is not going to the cowboys a per Ian rapoport report. I don't know who is going to be vying for services. Have you seen mclovin other teams? I know that we love to throw Dallas out there because they're the cowboys and you get Click Bait I actually haven't seen if you're in trouble Dallas interest in you, Seattle coming back. No. I can't. I can't imagine you know maybe Pete Carroll Says Hey let's bring Earl Thomas back and he can help Jamal Adams like I don't I don't i. Is. Earl Thomas that good where I'm going to possibly potentially disrupt my locker room. The answer is no. Now there's an injury that's different, but it's like Antonio Brown risk reward. Ain't worth the risk and then I throw in age and I would say, no. But then who's GonNa want to bring him in and is this a pattern that's going to happen continue when he goes to another team? mclovin. Did the jets as one team they lost Jamal. Bringing, but are they. Should. Caught between are they rebuilding or are they what I don't know if what they're doing? I don't. The jets. And I feel bad for Sam Darnold because I think we're going to find out how good he is. After he leaves the jets. I duNNo. You look at some of these teams in you say like what the packers did to Aaron Rogers to me is criminal. I mean not literally criminal, but you're going to look back on this and you're GONNA go they didn't supply. So one of the great quarterbacks in the history of the game and then you almost said Let's give. Him Degree of difficulty. We shouldn't give them a first round wide receiver. And they haven't. And then you draft another running back and then you draft a fullback and you. Okay. You're, GonNa have one title to show for Aaron. Rodgers. Tenure there and one title to show for Brett Farve tenure there. and. It felt like if you said, green, Bay had CD lamb. Let's just say they got Lynn. How different would you feel about the Green Bay packers going into this year? Just that move right there. And could they have the cd-rom was already taken? Wasn't he by the cowboys? Yeah. He went seventeen. I. Believe. Okay. So was Henry Rugs available. He was a member Hammy rugs went I well, here's the first rather rare. But. There were other wide receivers. It was the best why we're supposed to be one of the best receiver drafts ever yes and all rounds, not just the first round. My sources scout said there is a receiver, a quality receiver, his word equality receiver for every team in this draft. And somehow the packers didn't one. But if they had somebody like that. How different would you feel about the Green Bay packers this year? I would certainly look at them on the shortlist of winning it all. mclovin total devil's advocate what they did. Last your kind of work weren't they thirteen and three all that was a smoke and mirrors. Title Game. It's tight down the titans right? They run the ball. Okay. So then you bring in another running. Yeah. With huge thighs right and if so if they're that close. If I use your your logic mclovin. then. Why don't you get somebody who helps you upcoming season instead of a guy who's supposed to help you in three years at the earliest? That's a great question, right? Deandre Hopkins. Right I would give up that I pick get down to your hopkins maybe you have to give up a little bit more. So deandre hopkins and Aaron Rodgers and I got a great running back. So. Then it feels like you're even closer to getting to the Super Bowl instead you're farther away. Because we're taking Jordan. Love. We couldn't pass up on your club. Can you do some sniffing around find? It was the Algebra Hopkins really on the open market and every team know that they could have given a second round or frame mclovin I came in here one day after talking to somebody and they said it's an open secret in Houston that Bill O'Brien is going to trade the Andre Hopkins There was not a question he was not coming back from what I was told so I knew it. Then I'm going to guess these other GM's would note, and then how many teams kick the tires on the Andrea Hopkins and said we'll give you two first round picks for. Green. Bay, would've Gladwin I don't know if I give up too late first round picks for Deandre Hopkins. What's IT ended up being amid second round I know didn't even I? I I thought he had to two first round picks. You didn't have to give up that. Yeah. Paulie there's Bill O'Brien. No, you don't have to take the first offer. Thirty teams you can get their phone bills don't call everybody. It's like when somebody offers you something on your house okay. We'll take it remember Chris Farley. Wouldn't buy from. I'm GonNa Pass your okay okay. All right. Michael in Florida joins US Reggie Miller will join US coming up in about five minutes Hey Mike. Dan How. Are you today? Good. Sir What's on your mind? Switched over to to peacock finally. Today's so congratulations and good. As. Well, thank you. I caught I caught some weeks back not to To bring up coming back from the dead but a couple of weeks I called back and I was trying to give you guys some extra love for the any award. And I know unfortunate-. Unfortunately, this year did not go your way. What I did want to say though is reaction was affects and the reason. The reason I loved it so much was you know you only have your type of reaction when you have the amount of passion that you put into the show. So as a fan to see that passion to see reaction is the exact reason why I listen to you guys on a daily basis. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Look I'm honest with my passion of making this show great and having eyeballs on it and wanting the damage to get a sports emmy. It hurts. It does. Last year the year before man. That stays with you. And then my reaction and this is why I said look you're going to we were having a watch party a watch US lose sports emmy. So I was letting you watch me this is how I would act if I wasn't there. If I was there, I would have been probably far more professional than I was, but it hurt I was with the Danettes we're having fun. We had a party. And that was it but I knew that that was what's going to happen. I just knew but you know does it mean that you still don't strive for that every year and it's important who's the most bothered by not winning a sports on the other side? Barely nobody's bothered by this. Low. I still can't talk about it. Yes what's going on here? Very bothered by it but you've put an interesting spin in the whole lovable losers thing that maybe somehow somewhere. I know I said but I do that as a Defense Mechanism Mitch. Bad for our brand. If we win I'm just saying that I you know I want to brace the fall. I've never heard of that what's that one show that's brand really suffered by winning multiple emmy awards like you know what it was so good. That's why they're really dropped off us why they kept winning all those Emmys look at Bob Costas Brand. Toyland off. Yeah. Yeah. Plummeting. Yeah. Look at my brand. Yes mclovin don't you guys I was off as dumb word anywhere that day like you beat like your brain says, oh, we didn't care like that's how I that's how I had to go instead of being upsetting like draw draw All right. Well Reggie Miller wheelchair so we'll take a break here seventeen after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Played Golf again? Played Golf again on Sunday with my wife. went out nine home par-three should be. No no, but she does okay. You know I I basically have a pitching edge or no. I have a sand wedge, a seven iron and potter that's really all I need to take down this par three golf course but. You, know you're GonNa love the Calloway clubs. because. That's what I. Swear by and the Callaway Golf Ball and got the Odyssey putter there. So I go out there and basically tried to put on a show here and my wife thinks, wow, you can drive the green and I don't want to tell her you know it's only one hundred, sixty, eight yards. 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The ball goes in the knits for these role players how they star up in their chest they get more active, defensively but again, united, we've talked about this for weeks. Now would happily Davis plays at a certain level. He takes his team to a different level and I think we're seeing that because the players play off because he is the one player in the Bronx Times, they'll get your wrong. Every time they touch the basketball growing command double team. So Caruso Casey, P in. Morris than rain all these guys feed off those wide open shots when they're knocking down shots than this team is tough to beat because then Lebron has all these open lanes to get all the way to the hole and finished which we've been seeing the last few ballgames and Portland. We talked about this I didn't know if they would come in on an emotional high, which I think they did in that first game. But now it looks like they're they're on fumes they're spending. They're running out of gas and unless Dane and CJ has a big gay. Because to me, I always thought the blazers have a better supporting cast in terms of Merkich whiteside. Carmelo commercials had moments. During the the restart. To me I think they have a better supporting cast, but they have spent so much energy just to get that aid seed and then know. that. PLANE SCENARIO WITH MEMPHIS. Dame has been unbelievable. He was the bubble MVP don't get me wrong but you're right I think right now. Unless, he has a huge game. This series is arguably over. The clippers game plan for tonight against Luca. Is What or should be what? is going to be Luca and. There's numbers I think it's almost like. With Anthony Davis, you've gotTA stop everyone else. It's the harboring trae burks, Seth Curry. Those guys are the ones who are really being you I mean they did this. Phenomenal shot by Luca. Unbelievable triple double by him but it's those other guys when he had the trades in collapse the defense in finding those off threes in the corners. Jimmy. Yes. What's hurting the clippers and again they've got to get. I know this is like a broken record wears Paul Jordan. Where is Paul George and the you give your you're gonNA give yourself play off the nickname you gotta fill in the playoffs right I mean. Paul right to show up in the playoffs and the added. Been Good cliven. Fantastic. But that second keys. Has To be Paul George. Was Lucas, shot a good shot though reg no. No it was it wasn't a lucky shot to because he shoots that all the time but it was a bad shot made by a great player and I, attempted and made a lot of those bad shots. Because he practices those and I think he'll get better in time. But if you're Reggie Jackson who was switched out on them is if you look at the play. Initially started on him and it was a downstream and what is supposed to do is switch like for like size for size which they did. Reggie Jackson, you will live with a step back or was it thirty, five, forty footer you'll live with that. WHO. Created the. Step. Back. I have no idea but it was probably my best go to move I adopted it from Kiki Vanderkaay. Learned it at. UCLA. We worked on this shot I. Am not kidding you two to three hours a day. So he shot he showed me how to step back left setback right now. In today's game, those guys take it to James Harden ticket to a different level with the steps. I wish I could have done that ours was a little bit more traditional couple dribbles in just creating a separation Lucas is phenomenal because he has a great handle flow to it but. It was an unbelievable shot. It was a bad shot but made by a great layer. So that kind of lessons, the odds a little an Kobe borrowed it from you step back right? I taught him. I mean this dude, ask me but you. You you're already giving one of the top scores in the game. Kids. Little? Kid You. You remember that day when you were shooting a segment or show. For the real world if you remember that that coming TV and it was he Versus the real world has. And if we want to do silly. You know we went to the. Dogs from the shelter and they had to go wash them into errands for US whatever We knew we were going to be those us to. Ten Evil Kobe's like, honored destroy. Is I don't want to destroy. I'm like all right whatever let's go after them. So in the downtime while we were waiting for them to come back, he's like, do you WanNa play when I'm like dude, I'm not. GonNa. Play. One Thirty he was nineteen, eighty, nine, hundred. Is like well showing that step at the. Kind of the step act like, okay. debt bad move. You show me that crossover because I've always loved his crossovers he's like sure. Okay. So I'm showing the step back or You want the guy on your left hand side. Right look at his feet when his feet soccer crossover. Step back like, okay behind the other way. Okay. The Boston. His way it he's leaning this way take a couple of steps back and raise up. There's no way and when he does recover, he's GonNa value because he's going to be going for your risk. So somebody that crossover, he's like we're talking about. Cross crossover I am given away cry. Mood. and Lo and behold rose at year two years later in the finals. Is giving me my own move to me. What idiot I was idiot. We're talking to Reggie Miller, the hall of Famer. He'll be back in the bubble starting next week if the rockets lose this series. Dot. Dot done. I could easily see my Tony. Moving on, there's some very favourable job openings but the roster or is it the coach? While, the coach is always the first to go ask Brett Brown that right all that talent I know Ben Simmons did not play because the injury but he still had talent dill Tobias Harris enjoy ll be. And you with team two team, you shouldn't be swept. So the coach is always the first to go and I think my Dantonio assist system the rockets was built. To put up a lot of numbers or James Harden and West record has not played obviously. And their underside. So they're always gonNA get killed in the boards and they're just GonNa try to outscore. But what's the difference? With Golden State in the rockets in their philosophy, they play defense gold is they play deep. Okay. Okay. They have great shooters but drawing rain and I know Tucker is defensive-minded Guy in Austin rivers and all that. But as a whole those teams laid defense, they Toptan offense top ten and defense. Journal Championship run and he got Klay Thompson as well. If you could have the nets opening the pelicans opening of the seventy sixers opening as a head coach. I've probably go with Brooklyn because you have Kyri and Katie. Do. You think of issues actually interested in an Giang. Is he interested. They're interested in him. But do that could you see Popovich in Brooklyn with Kyrie? I could I think they have a relationship from Team USA? And I think they're probably Kinda looking at a guy that swan championships. I know titles name is in the midst. I hope a man marked Jackson's name is being floated around for some of these. Some of these gigs is well, all three spots are very desirable New Orleans with a very young nucleus. The only question mark in my opinion is. And how is GonNa come back when does the season start to get first of all next season and is he gonNA come back and shape and how many games can we get out of the but what about Lonzo ball reg now? I mean now I'm hearing that maybe they're gonNa try to trade him. I thought that this was the perfect place for. It was and I still think it is think he had a bad run. I really do I think he has potential thing he's going to be an all star type player. I. Don't think he's going to be an all star tried later but I think he could be very solid contributor because of his skill set aside able to run the floor is if the shooting a shooting of Belgium before the stoppage? In the restart. Shooting, the ball fantastic I don't know if the layoff affected him but for whatever reason was not able to find that shot but New Orleans Billy Brooklyn. Chicago Chicago's another day MOM team. Great City you know you can. It's called there, but is a great city if you can revive that. So there's there's four spots that are very desirable if you're a head coach most watchable team in the East Bucks. Raptors Celtics Heat. I would probably go with law. That could be your final four to which the awesome. I would go. See Miley Fun to watch agree. Because they are cast in a lot of threes. Duncan Robinson Tyler hero I like the toughness of Bam autobytel obviously Jimmy Butler well-coached. They're fun team to watch the different style from when you saw the wounded championships Lebron way. Top top defensively. You know what you're going to get with on us in that team. They. Look. Boston tatum Brown have done in the absence of Gordon Hayward Kimba seems to have found his game. Now pick a team reg the most watchable team in the East is. Just because they swept my pacers, I'm GONNA go with the Miami Heat, and that's going to be a fun match up in the second round between Miami and Milwaukee I picked the Celtics won heat two raptors three bucks four. I tell you. I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF TORONTO ENDS UP winning the East I think I saw that last week people keep sleeping on the defending champs for a reason and they play a certain style in those guys know one another. So as not going to surprise Toronto wins the East. I think in fact I think they have the clear advantage over those fourteen. You mention because they know how to win and crunch time read. Ben Glee has been fantastic. Restock for now. When bird was your coach in in the end did you guys ever have shooting contents? No. I wanted to ask him. WanNa lose him as well because I? Wait. Do. You think he would have shot. No, it just wasn't. This thing is very for sheer was probably has one year because he was doing a lot of running than. The next two years for whatever reason he wasn't as active in terms of shooting. Now, he took money from Jonathan Bender Al Harrington and the rookies because they were dumb, enough notch. I knew Larry Legend and having faced the Celtics against him. These Jews were poppies. Only God Larry led to. Play Morrison get like do are you serious? And so he would take money off a roof. Did. You celebrate your birthday yesterday I did nice quiet nice bike ride solo. And the rest was spent with the family. Interesting art as you get older and then your wife because what do you want for your birthday like? I don't know a nap. Maybe I maybe I get to be myself today or something like that. Well, you got little ones. My two things like. Time number one time. I the by says, she gave me time under by like. Well, what do you want when your birthday? I need underwear got challenged. Lewis. Are You surprised that? MANTRAS Herald didn't get fined by the League after be back and forth I know a lot of things get said on the floor they're read. But that doesn't mean it's right that a lot of things get said on the floor in the violence visor wasn't a fine. You kinda talk text talked about this. Maybe, even a suspension to send a message. 'cause I always played role-reversal role reversal what Luga had said that the mantra. That's I I like to. Roller verse everyone would be up in arms of Luca had said that Tha mantras. And you're playing on the court says black lives matter. And inclusion in separates right so. Monterey apologize and Luca accepted it I get it. But still the words were said and I think there should be some type of consequence for that. But I go back to Isaiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman what they said about Larry Bird but is. That's not an. I guess they were angry because Larry stole the ball and you know and they said if he was a black player, it'd be just another player I think. Dennis said, it is Asia's second it and then Larry had to go to a press conference. Then Go. I don't care what they said. Look didn't care so that. Luca cares right. But his Lucas worse because he's what he's he's calling him out in a negative way I know that they were being angry about Larry. Sanofi. Was Blackie be just another player Lucas that was that was personal. A personal setback three. The series too. So actions mean more to me I think that's how Luca is backing up whatever people are saying about him by putting up huge numbers. I'm just saying if. I had said that about mantras. Players on the clippers. We would still be talking about. Yes. He would have probably been suspended. I have Luca the over under I. Just made it up I said twenty nine tonight I'm going under for Luca tonight against the clippers need to I. Think all George because of what all talk radio talk radio has been killing him. I. Think he quiet have Monster Games together. I think the over for the here's the question the over for them. Is it sixty five or over all George and lynyrd sixty five or over. Combined. Why can count for Twenty six from coli? I. E Paul George Nepal Giorgadze Monster Game I think he does. and. If he does then they're in trouble. They're in huge I. Don't think he goes for thirty. Who Wins Tonight? I think the clippers why? Are we sleeping on the jazz you know when Bogdanovich went out with the rest injury I kind of wrote him off and said, you know that was a team good enough at the beginning of the year to play for the Western Conference finals but I didn't give them and then Conley left the bubble wife had a baby and now here they are. Up Three Games to one. I will say this. Donovan Spider Mitchell has been fantastic ingles. They know their roles. I, Bill that. Is going to be a lot like the blazers. When they play the next round nothing would they finish the series out in face the Lakers in the next round you? This is for the Lakers. Will have been so much gas doing with the done plenty agree and then run out of gas against the Lakers. This is set up perfectly below layers to get you the conference finals in my opinion. Is a perfect team for them to play. SHAPE TRAVELS, they're back into the bubble and My shirt I like it here in Louisiana thirty three Larry Legend in Indiana state. Alone Larry. Legend. Long. Favorite player growing I. Love My Magic Johnson he raised the at Ucla but had my game. But. If you could start your team with Larry Magic Badger. Report Oh. Yeah. How I play I'm on the team yeah marriage. How many threes would larry shoot now? If he played today Oh my goodness what fifteen to twenty. Twenty. But he always he would shoot the mid range jumper and all that and so on the mid range jumper mets of. Kids, all the time I know analytic safe threes are better than zoos which okay. But your percentages are lower but something to be said with a good seventeen. Gain along Kevin. Durant build a hall of fame career out the mid range jumper. Damore. Rose in the mid range jumper. Mid. Range Jumper and I got him you know traded on the Toronto. Championship tomorrow but you still have a heck of a mid range gang. Yeah. Nice Consolation Prize. SAFE TRAVELS REG. Thank you, Bud. We'll come back close up shop last call for phone calls right after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan. 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I was in the bank and I start laughing allow I had to explain everybody I was in had he was and I was because they thought I was just in there laughing while we know got a big mouth so. Listen on the poll question the Pelicans. To. Get a hold of, and if you could turn that franchise row, you can show ticket anywhere as well as I would whoever trying Ben Wallace the trains I on because if you can get his stamina up and his strength up like that man, he will be a force to be reckoned with and last but not least worst, Gossiping Nba jail in your opinion for unarmed robbery, our Horford Blake Griffin. Wow. Thank. You. Jeff. Well Al Horford, was healthy. He played Blake Griffin's been injured. Paul George he's stealing right now. Jesse in Los Angeles, they just could have you back. Good Morning GP morning. Hey great interview with Chris Webber yesterday one of the buffs storytellers you the guy. Then you know now now he's offering up Kobe stories passing and even though I'm a lifetime kings fan, it's good to hear and be reminded of Kobe's greatness. Even Tormenta my youth in two thousand. But I also have a Chris Paul signature moment for you. Okay. And I I do like him. A plural preference is because he reminds me of John and he's like my favorite player of all time. But his moment for me is two, thousand fifteen vs Warriors Steph Curry dribbles behind the back Paul shoes somehow turn the ice skates he goes to ground incur the jumper. Thank you Jesse that's mean-spirited. Yeah. Now, I was just wondering as I'm watching Oklahoma City yesterday. That's all I just said what is signature moment? He's known more for two things, his TV commercials and also in nearly got traded to the Lakers the deal that David Stern in the NBA Appel. Upheld that said, no deals not going through. He's he top ten and steals and assists all I'm he's a whole famer. You just I don't know if he has a signature moment that was home. Wasn't being mean spirited was just throwing that out there. final results of the poll question this sports history as well. mclovin. So taxi up the poll and our three who wins the bang on the Luca Danni joining it under sixty seven percent or with the Danettes. Okay. That he scores what we have to get twenty, nine, twenty over twenty, nine, you win. So He's got to get thirty. Okay. If you win. You can eat the pies. And you get to smash me in the face. At the very end the show. But. Only one, one, pipe all four of you can put your hands on the pine? Smash. Don't do like Michael. Irvin did Michael Irvin drew blood. And I don't think IRV understood when you hit somebody in the face with a pie like it's just you don't do it with force but he did yes time we should avoid the hair. You got very upset with me well, no, that's when you went above and beyond I said, you can hit me in the face with a pie and then you grabbed it and then put it on top of my head do that. Right much. I, know hardaway with the moment. And you're anti hair. Right. So I couldn't fully appreciate why would get that upset what the big deal is yeah I know I did get angry like todd legitimately angry. Joe Then I. Like smack you with something out at her. Like a little cut dogs I'm then earn my love. Yeah. This team sports history nine, nineteen and five Dan. This pitcher became the youngest pitcher to win twenty games in a major league baseball season nine, hundred, five that pitcher is. For an end. White Good Mole should've gotten now I could and twenty wins at age twenty, twenty, four and four. Yes. Yes see twenty wins only thirty games into the season I'll wait now that's Sanu. We're halfway we're at the All star break. Aren't we major league? Baseball. Todd. What did you learn? 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There are thirty nine point underdogs against penn state but at least we know the programs are making money. They're making progress and they have to not just for football. Keep in mind. These games are huge fundraiser for other sports. Remember that if south alabama can't cover the thirty six point spread against nebraska or any other smaller school really looks bad this weekend. They are doing it for the bigger picture. Even if the game itself does it look that much fun. I watch some of clemson last night and i went in and with a little trepidation here of trevor lawrence fatigue. We're expecting him to be something. I don't know if he can be that right now or what your expectation tation level is. He was thirteen to twenty three one hundred sixty eight yards touchdown to interceptions. He also was trying to act like andrew lock on apple potential pick six. He had you know these interceptions. He's gotta understand here this is this is georgia tech in august. You got to protect yourself for the long haul. I know the competitor in you but i watch lawrence last night but he wasn't the star you know they got a running back. Then who is shouldn't be at the end when that be the cajun way of pronouncing. That's what a lot of people say but he goes eighteen. Yeah yeah didn't mike tyson fight. Somebody name clifford at the end leigh clifford atiyah think so. I think so i would guess clifford moss this i think he did but then it's a to faye faye. No it's not i don't know but e two fe. He looked great last night but he was great. He had one of those. Oh by the way seventeen one hundred yards last year and you sort of forget about him. I mean it's it's a loaded roster. There and you're going against georgia tech. You were up thirty five point favorite yes mclovin so as clemson too good to help trevor lawrence heisman winner because they have to spread the you know if they're running for touchdowns left to right trevor lawrence has no chance what you're going to run in the second half and if travis it is out there. He's going to have gaudy your numbers then trevor lawrence's. I know that a lot of times we'll give credit to the quarterback on a team. That's undefeated or highly ranked when it comes to the heisman trophy but might have better numbers ah his position and then trevor lawrence does at the end of the year. It's like to to it with alabama. How many times do you playing in the second half. How many times you playing in the final quarter order. You're probably not and you look at some of these players. They're playing an entire game. They have to because their teams aren't as good. Sometimes you're handicapped a little a bit because your team is that good we're just talking about individual wards and that will probably be a problem for those who want to tunga vilo to win the heisman. How much which is he gonna play in the second half of games this year and same with trevor lawrence a fun to watch some football last night. Utah is good. They are good now. They usually own b._y._u. But utah might be in a bigger picture here at the end of the year apple and your guys ac moss they're running back. He's a big time pro prosperity it. He's gonna get an easy sixteen hundred this year because as al yeah he's good. I watched u._c._l._a. Against cincinnati and i don't know where the old chip kelly is because the old chip kelly was the innovator. He was ahead of everybody. Everybody was trying to copy him. You can't get by cincinnati cincinnati. I won eleven games last year and they become a nice program and you know chip used to coach there but you're u._c._l._a. And i know he brought in. He's got a lot of freshmen freshmen and sophomores but you're still chip kelly. You're still u._c._l._a. And i expect a whole lot better than this. He's now three and ten in thirteen games as the head coach. Where is the oregon version or even the chip kelly you got to philadelphia and at least in the first couple of games the first half that first season season he was changing the sport and i'm watching now. You've got guys who were suspended or didn't start for whatever reason and cincinnati ends up winning that game the app on your bearcats and the second year in a row they've been u._c._l._a. They'd be virginia tech last year supposed to be a basketball school while they're both basketball schools u._c._l._a. U._c._l._a.'s basketball or football score now they might be more of a basketball school than a football school be more voluble but watching that last night cincinnati picking up the win. I wasn't surprised at that. You know minnesota was in action last night in south dakota state. I mean there's i it. It was still it was fun. I i was looking. I was hoping there would be a great game last night. There wasn't but just you kind of feel your way into the college football season and there will be some great great surprises this year there always is because there are so many players in so many teams and you'll have a player and or teen. That's gonna surprise everybody utah. I think it gives you a bigger picture here. I really do yeah paulie. The highlight of the night was not on the field dan last night i was watching the south dakota state minnesota game at half time they go to the fox broadcasting castle man rob stone reggie bush brady quinn matt liner and a former coach of ohio state urban meyer and so they go to urban. I i a preview the ohio state team this new team new coach blah blah blah blah blah new quarterback and he gives a nice little preview the season for our state. He's the former coach just months ago and then they go to matt liner. Yes well the most thing i'm looking forward to the house as finding out. Do they have a defense last year no fence coach last year they didn't and they were the worst off defense in ohio state history is trying to put this graphic and urban meyer turns and he had like the lip curled and it wasn't like a t._v. Bit where i runs joke around like terry bradshaw and the guys on fox fox you guys and he was actually mad. He was wasn't t._v. Matt he was actually mad. I thought he was going to go line for second. Yeah i don't know if urban is able to decompress impress and be one of the guys when he's there. He still whenever he's not urban. He's urban meyer coach when i see him up there and you know liners liners trying to add something there you know get it going a little bit there stirred up there and urban wouldn't have anything to do with that. I thought it was me because so i thought boy that seemed awkward and then paulie came in this morning. Did you watch the fox halftime show and i go yeah and then paulie goes save it and then i was wondering if you saw the same thing i saw like urban didn't look too pleased with that was great but that's what you want all right mclovin. You got a poll question today. Okay okay we do and i'm going to start with some controversy does trevor lawrence. Clemson quarterback have more to gain by playing college football or more to lose by playing college football aw well. You got a chance to be the greatest quarterback in college football history. He has that opportunity is he. What is he gaining. I'm going to guess that the scout even the coaches would tell you. There are things he needs to work on. I don't think anybody at that position. Is that polished that early in their college career he he he's going to benefit from that. He'll benefit from playing in big games. How many games do you have. Also you wanna make sure you avoid injury. Sorry you still go back to like sam. Darnold took step back. Matt barkley took a step back back. Matt liner took a step back. The expectation level is crazy now. He's already being called. Maybe the greatest prospect that the n._f._l. N._f._l. will ever have at that position quarterback and he's only a couple of steps into his sophomore season here. It's going to be very a very difficult and their parts of me that feel bad for him because no matter what he does. It's not going to be good enough. It's just not and if he doesn't. I didn't play well like last night. He looked pedestrian he did they won fifty two fourteen. How can the quarterback pedestrian if there he right. I not what every looked okay offense storm down the field. They had twenty one points before. It's a such a high expectation. He was fine but he can't be fine. He's trevor lawrence and you're facing georgia tech. You're thirty five point favorite right but when you're running back is breaking you have ninety yard runs. You're not going to accumulate any yards. That's impossible ju- interceptions he d- he looked okay. I mean he looks better because was he looks like the part. If he's right out of central casting where you go you know we need a six five quarterback with long blond hair and he's out there and he's right out of a movie but he he didn't look great last night. That's why i wonder because he i think he looked fine. If there's if he has more to lose here yes he. Does i think so i i think it'll be difficult for him to win the heisman this year even if clemson blows through everybody i and he'll put up incredible numbers but willie put up better numbers then somebody else will he put up better numbers than to you know to is the underdog story at that position this year after being the favourite now he's the underdog janklow you think we hear noise about him sitting out next year or joining the x._f._l. Well there's already been columns written about wise even playing college football this year. Could you see him saying that. I don't wanna play anymore after my sophomore season but you know maybe he just loves going to school. Maybe he loves the college life. Maybe he likes being big man on campus and your plan for clemson. I mean you're playing for a chance to be one of the greats of all time this isn't hey. How do i prepare for the n._f._l. Now maybe it should be but. I think that he's looking at this or he. Should you have a chance to win a couple of national titles. Maybe three maybe you win one. Maybe maybe two heisman trophies you could be the greatest college quarterback the most decorated college quarterback of all time damaclean. There's also some column saying he should be the the guy to go to court. I know colorado went to court but it takes forever right. That's that's what maurice caloric got caught up in that and then really never recovered to be a football player well he. He had to come out because he got kicked out of ohio state but it's such a process in the n._f._l. Is going to tie you up as long as they can. You yeah pull trevor. Lawrence wanted to sue to get out of school. After a sophomore year he would have had to file that lawsuit probably in february even to get started on this process like you said because it's the n._f._l. Could just balk at all yeah they all the money in the world yeah but it's totally illegal to discriminate hiring with young or old like there's no way the draft holds legal. The private entities do have an age limit that they could do like nascar has age limits and if you go to court and fight for years yeah. You could probably get that overturn but but there are limits. Let me take you can't be a thirteen year old pilot for american airlines. You can't no matter how good of a pilot ever seen the movie kid pilot now n._f._l. Preseason season wrapped up cuts will be today and tomorrow and of course watching daniel jones tearing up the patriots going for for for he had a great preseason really did did but i'm looking at the giant schedule. They got the cowboys. Would you run through the other games. They're mclovin if and i don't think they go through a real tough stretch there to start art but if if they don't win or eli doesn't play well then may maybe daniel jones by week seven week eight is your starting quarterback but i i just don't see that happening. Yeah yeah they start. The cowboys probably no zeke elliott. If you had to guess today yeah but it's at dallas buffalo winnable at home at box fox winnable redskins at home then vikings at home at new england a little bit tougher with the vikings new england right but then arizona at home so they got washington arizona they got a lot of winnable games at lyons possibly winnable cowboys at home at jet and then the by because they made start out. You know five evans three. Maybe maybe five and four is five hundred is not enough to bench. Eli is a no but if he doesn't play well and they're five five hundred then that's different. You spoke of ezekiel elliott. Here's jerry jones saying what i figured he was going to say about zeke in this situation holding out. There's as though since i've got mine tired expectation corey crawford putting together as a team now would anticipate in uh-huh not having any training that he's gonna miss games pissed and here's the spin on this in that'll be hey. This could be a good thing that zeke will be fresh when he comes back. Let's say he misses the first month of the season. Hey that's going to be a benefit to us. It'll be a benefit to him a._m. Because i'm guessing jerry's going to get to the point where how how am i spending this that this is going to be a positive and i think that's going to be the next step here. Yeah paulie. I wonder owner jerry. Jones also thinks just as the math. If you shows up week seven. I just saved seven game checks. I don't have to pay him leading up to that. He doesn't get those retroactively. If they strike a new deal. I wouldn't thank you for two but if the cowboys thought very slow out of the gate is jerry jones someone that would <hes> blink in the first couple of weeks if they go one to one and three and things start going really sideways and they really need mm-hmm well yeah that that would be the case it depends on how zeke's backup does on bell lost some of his leverage because james connor played well and if zeke's backup or backups play well they win then he loses a little bit more that leverage and some people say he has no leverage whatsoever however but i think he does because this team at this time is good as jerry's had in a long long time and he knows that but you know do i understand jerry's approach here. Yes zeke's got two years left on his contract but at that position now if zeke is doing this does saquon barkley arkley. Do this does christian mccaffrey. Do this alvin kamara. Do this yet remember. Christian mccaffrey is one of the first people to sit out a bowl gain and it was a big deal in leonard fournette at as well but i don't know you know you look at trends in the n._f._l. And this would be a trend or at least a potential trend at that position with what lady on bell did and now zeaxanthin this and you have these players who played the position who've come on this show and very passionate schnitt and saying they understand they don't they don't blame these running back for trying to do this and like you've been saying there needs to be a new running back structure contract trek structure because it's flawed that four year plus a fifth means you're getting mesa the main part of their career the first good half and you don't have to pay for the second if is a three three your contract coming out of college it helps. Everybody and i wonder what saquon barkley is going to be like after three years how many calories how many touches and and because they're going to load up on saquon barkley here i mean why wouldn't you and the same with christian mccaffrey but at some point does christie mccaffrey's agents say you know what i think. We need to freshen up that deal a little bit here. Insane was saquon barkley you know i think i'm the best running back in football. I'd like to be paid that and eventually saquon barkley probably gets to that point and same with christian mccaffrey cameras in different position because he was. I think a third round draft pick yeah paul in his first four seasons saquon barkley will make about twenty one million dollars. You know he's going to get basically yeah twenty five million dollars. 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Later in the first round is better than du-aine haskins and all of a sudden daniel. Jones has done exactly what you want a rookie to do kept quiet. I didn't say anything went out there and just played and played. Well granted preseason rookie quarterback who haven't looked good in preseason. Daniel jones jones has looked like a star a future starting quarterback in the n._f._l. Now when they start shooting live bullets at you then it's a little bit different. Jarret stidham can look good with the patriots because it's the patriots but daniel jones when you get out there and all of a sudden those guys are trying to take your head off. You're you're not wearing a colored jersey where nobody can touch you then. It'll be a little bit different but when the preseason started. I said i'm looking for two different storylines either either. Daniel jones is off the charts great or it's crash and burn because that's what you want if you work in new york and you're covering the giants inch you either want it to be always. Put pressure on eli or what was dave gettleman the g._m. Thinking when he drafted daniel jones where he did well. I know that they fawn over him probably more than they do their own kids like they want you to know. Yeah told you daniel jones. This doesn't mean anything to make young. Although mitchell trubisky had overnight success because we all said the same thing about mitchell trubisky wait you traded up up to get him. You didn't have to and he's north carolina and nobody wants north carolina football and bears bears fans hated this and then all of a sudden trubisky had one big preseason game and then all of a sudden. The fans are like yeah founder quarterback here well. The giants fans are waiting for that day where they get to say okay. We found our quarterback our next quarterback but ally will he's he's gonna be. He'll methodically perform well he will. He's lying knows what he's doing. You know just the mental part of the game at that position so important and eli will probably do okay now is okay enough and for how long with the giants fans yes i love. I saw in the s._e._c. network last night which attuned into e._j. Manuel is doing some sideline work. There's a guy first year preseason eighty percent of his passes and completed elated. He was amazing so that's the only reason i'm nervous like that. Thing you said about live bullets l. man. It's just different it just a wide so different different. It's just a different fee well because you got first team. Defense going after you. You got guys who are just the coaches are saying hey went. You put jimmy. Lipper are out there and let me see let me get one more. Look at him to see if we're gonna cut him today. You got those guys who are out there not that those guys aren't playing hard and try to take the daniel jones's head off but they're just not the same as going against the first team defense. Your mclovin like i was tuning in last week for the preseason is not a good product and it was a guy named. I'm jake dole a gala who has played every snap for the bengals and i mowed huge bagels fan. I never heard the span of my life. You know i got into remember your guy. Hi tyree jackson the big quarterback university of buffalo last year six seven six seven two fifty and he's bigger than josh allen. He played really pretty well for buffalo. Lasting i say ran for eighty yards threw for a touchdown. I mean he's he's like a bigger version of josh allen but is he on the wrong team because you already had that style of quarterback there unless he says you know what can i play tight end because that's what i thought now. I watched buffalo. Football games actually authors thank you. Yes and i remember seeing you know when you have the biggest kid when you're playing peewee football and there's always one kid who's had his growth spurt and you would watch the huddle and you just see this guy just tower over. Everybody and you know a lot of raw ability there but i don't. I don't know if he gets a like cartel jones. You know when you saw him ohio state. You're like oh. That's a big talented guy. He's trying to hold onto a backup job but josh challenge is your quarterback who does run for eighty yards and maybe throw one touchdown so already have that quarterback there in buffalo but you know the daniel jones situation is is it's fun to watch because the backup quarterback he's always thought of more highly than the starting quarterback in some cases where you go yeah boy if we could only get daniel jones in there and then you'll get daniel jones in there and then you'll be on. Maybe we need to draft a quarterback. The mclovin i gotta pull for clicks who gets on the field. I daniel jones or ezekiel elliott. I should alert the servers. Nobody's gonna come in fast and furious zeke right yeah yeah i over under a month for zeke being out and what would be the reason because jerry jones may look at his and say hey. Let's look at our schedule. How tough is this. How many are winnable and then just hold your breath and and if you have a first of all the offensive line is the key if the offensive line is healthy. I'm not as concerned who i have in the backfield now when i get get to a must-win situation when i get to a big game when i get to bad weather when i get to an on the road game i've got a win against philadelphia or i get into the post season. I gotta have zeke elliott there because then that's a difference maker he can take over a game. I worry about dak prescott when i asked dak prescott to win games teams and that's not the kind of quarterback he is with zeke in there with play action always a possibility then dak prescott prescott is a quarterback but i if i'm going to have him load up and throw thirty five times then. I'm a little bit more nervous. I think the defense is good. The offensive line is great zeke. You have the difference like zeke means this much through the cowboys. You could win a super bowl or not make the playoffs. Can you think of somebody aside from quarterbacks who is more valuable to their team and maybe we can have a good argument about this. You know saquon but you're not talking about winning super bowl. I'm talking about winning a super bowl or dallas could get to the n._f._c. title game right so you're saying if you remove aaron donald from the rams it it hurt but that position can be filled easier well. Would they miss the playoffs right like if i look at the boundaries of super bowl or bust cost with one player. Is there one player who's more valuable to their team aside from quarterbacks as zeke elliott. Yes mclovin yeah aaron. Donald was named the jump to my j._j. Watt but you're right. I i give zeke but there's a lot of guys like you coolio off the valk. I think they're all but i'm talking about winning winning the superbowl val kerr darkhorse but they could be a super bowl thread and there's still the falcons not the falcons falcons clutch. They can't do that one. It's still a great mystery to you. Call them the vulcans. Yes see. I'm hearing a lot more people. These days say chicago. That's like a trend or something. That's the thing that the cool kids are doing. Not chicago told you did you do you did chicago chicago and wait wait. It's the falcons not the falcons hence the f. yeah yeah but that sounds funny. The falcons knowing that doesn't know the eh falcons and it's not the bingles. It's the bengals yes buddy who still calls them. The jaguars and i want to punch face every time he does it but yeah but we used to have fun on sportscenter with the jaguars because people would call him jaguars and then you had the jaguar that people should be saying jaguars ars because of the car those commercials. You were driving a jaguar. That's british pronunciation. I think so which made me not want to get a jaguar even if i could afford a jaguar by ramming to surprise you the most valuable player the guy. You can't take off team okay. The bengals goes without a._j. Green are so bad and they're so good with them. They're not so good with him. They were last year they were six and four with them and one in six six ladder but their offense dipped by eighty percent at bagels vasil. Tell you like if you take a._j. Green off that offense they fall. I think in julio's the same way those big receivers neighbors have a big impact too not just back yes mclovin. We've got a point. I was gonna pick the bengals to make the super bowl agent green out off my list. We were talking pure value by the way all of a sudden. The cowboys are a team that i okay who's more threatening the vulcans the bengals or the cowboys while the cowboys now the jaguars. I gotta tell you like that's a big jump to me. They have not sniff the super bowl in a long time. That's a talented live team. That's a really good team now. I don't like making a super bowl. Pick where i'm not sure if the coach is an advantage asia or the quarterback and or the quarterback is a significant upgrade or advantage for you going into a game and those are big question marks for the cowboys head coach and quarterback in a big game. Yes mclovin yeah. I mean to say you could talk about julio like the falcons have been a team. That's been at the multiple all times like they should have beaten the patriots. They got one play away a couple years before that. The cowboys have how many playoff games if they won. I just one look. That's why i think jerry. He is in this that dickman here because he's like gosh. This is as good a team as we've had in dallas and we need zeke there but i want him to a healthy for the long haul for the dog days and i think that's where he's sort of weighing this out. I know that adam schefter yesterday in yesterday sublime you don't want to get into a negotiating game with <hes> jerry jones. I think now you do maybe ten years ago fifteen years ago twenty years ago. You didn't but jerry now. Jerry realizes the opportunity the window of opportunity. It doesn't stay open long in the n._f._l. Most teams it hasn't been opened for them in a long long time. Now you have that opportunity here and maybe he's looking at. Maybe you strategy here. Of when do i get him. I'm in what's it going to cost me. If you didn't have off the field issues with ezekiel elliott. Would there be any doubt you would pay him more money than todd gurley next man up at that position. I'd have no doubt whatsoever now. Would i have language in there even even now with what's happened off the field. Yes i have to have language in there to protect me. If something happens with zeke but on the field you give him your feeding the ball and and he's a machine yeah. Pull you know one thing that bothers me with the situation with the cowboys. It's like they. They drafted this guy at the top five. Pick which you should not do with the running back. I believe because you're paying him early and then he performs exactly as you hoped and now you don't wanna pay him. It's almost like by drafting him. You already went down that path of you drafted a high end running back high and then now when he pays off. He's he's paid off in every way on the field now. You don't wanna pay him. You already made your decision for his financial. Future by drafting in top ten point in the same thing is going to happen with saquon. Say thing will happen with christian mccaffrey yeah. You're gonna put up these numbers. You're going to do what you're we're supposed to do. You'll live up to the numbers in your rookie contract and then all of a sudden you wanna get paid like leonard. Fournette doesn't deserve the next contract as of right now. He has not performed because of injury and other issues. Maybe he will but saquon. He's gonna go two thousand a year total yards in his sleep but when we watch leonard fournette in college and if five decide who's better saquon christian mccaffrey or this dude and everybody would have said leonard fournette. It's the n._f._l. Is no longer a battering during ram. I this is my you know jerome bettas. I'm gonna lead with this guy. <hes> you know you've gotta be multi-talented at that position and mccaffrey and saquon john barclay alvin kamara they are then so's lady on belen zeke the couch trade for four net. I mean he would be a perfect cowboy with the way they run the ball downhill and that line fine he would he would have had so much better start to his career. He got the cowboys with that line. Yes mclovin right after ninety yard run. I just said up fire up. The debate. We know is happening some gems about to make a mistake on this guy and run at the exact same problems. We're talking about right. Now i mean i don't know he apparently can't catch the ball. I was reading the draft a profile eight. He can't catch his major problems. He said he actually sent himself. I get nervous when the balls in the air so he he has problems catching all right now but there's no doubt out about running and bill. I already saw the headline that he started his heisman trophy campaign last night in the middle in the middle of the ninety yard run the forty yard because i'm i'm gonna go for the husband. I think he was running. Those guys like he. He was looking up at the scoreboard in gaining five yards on. It was crazy yeah. He's he's a special talent there but it's these schools clemson alabama the second stringer came in and it was also running crazy like i know the one thing that was pointed out to me this morning by former n._f._l. Scout trevor lawrence is going to be bailed out this year as he was last night by these wide receivers these clemson wide receivers are freakish freakishly ashley great and that will help trevor lawrence but it'll be harder to really breakdown how good he is because it's the same thing i said about dwayne haskins when i watched him play in person those those wide receivers were wide open and i it's hard to gauge like i wanted to see you after you threw an interception option but he didn't do anything like that against michigan. I was waiting for something where he got knocked down and then got back up. That's what i wanna see when paris campbell is running on his own as if he's in the stadium by himself going. I think i could hit that guy. I could have probably found a found a wider open wide receiver so what you're you're saying is quarterback is sort of defined by the players around him in the system. He's in a little bit homeboy. Quarterback the heck out of the way and haskins. I never ever thought urban meyer had a system. Oh he's what do you call it. Look at the stats. He could make fritzy throw thirty five touchdowns easy easy lefty quarterback trek stocky rumor has it. There's an against the grain today the against the grain all-star preseason all star team. They don't have an all star team nato but we do okay so you have a preseason all-star yeah. It's a combination of guys. I'm gonna overreact to from their preseason play gorgeous guys. I'm excited about a bob either from a fantasy standpoint real life standpoint and i already have my super bowl pick and here's the problem i end up talking myself self out of it right down right now and handed to me and i won't open it until you do your pick on the air. We'll see if they're the same lure what did you do. You want me next thursday eight to give you my super bowl. Pick yes okay our three thursday tradition nonetheless cutting close thursday night football what if somebody calls in like you're about to they do it eleven forty and i don't know all all put whoever on hold and then say i've got to give this to my audience here like let's say taylor swift calls in thursday's the final hour who is she a fan of where she from. She's from pennsylvania scranton right. I don't know if she's steelers or eagles inbetween. That's that's a great question. I mean we're more katy perry show anyway but wow we have a relationship as we sort of do tailor tweet us then. Maybe we can talk sued taylor's probably spent a lot of time in nashville though so she might be kind of on the titans bandwagon with me maybe yeah is anyone really on the titans bandwagon. I was waiting. I wasn't going to say it because i'm always accused of picking on the titans here. I'm not going to do that. Ah i wish them well if they're good a lot of people are going to grow this because there's been a lot of negative press okay when is ryan tannehill the starting and quarterback in tennessee about eight minutes if i if i said be over under i over under six and a half games not counting injury not counting injury and i root for morioka i do. I liked him when we met him. He was a great story at oregon edge edge just i he he is not threatening at that position and i this is the last call there because nobody's talking about a contract extension. I don't think in tennessee tennessee for him all right. I gotta take a break. Your phone calls coming up. We will get to our poll question as well. I think we'll settle on one as well play. The days up next here support for the dan patrick patrick show podcast comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken. Loans home is so much more than a house. It's your own little slice of heaven. 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Despite losing the competition for the starting quarterback job to ryan fitzpatrick rosen said he was proud of the strategy made in saudi confident after he got the news from head coach bryan floors when he told me fits was going to get the job. He told me i'd made a lot of good progress rosen said and i think it's only the time that this team is mine. I don't think that's any big secret that if you're the dolphins in you trade for him then you expect expect him to eventually get some run here but you know patrick. You never quite sure what you're going to get when you treat him as an underdog log that he comes out and he you know he looks like joe montana and then when you expect him to play well that's when he throws three interceptions. I have no idea what you're going to get. I don't even know what the expectation in level is with the miami dolphins which the over under this year mclovin they feel like a six and ten. I thought it was five but i'll okay i think they're they're tied for with arizona's known as the worst in the league but i gotta make sure that yeah but at least arizona is watchable. You're you're curious about them. Yeah paulie eleven months ago. Ryan fitzpatrick was in the lead for the league m._v._p. Eleven months ago two weeks in yeah well after he lit up the saints then at one more big big game the eagles i think and then we had him on and then all of a sudden that was it. We didn't need to have ryan fitzpatrick on. Let's see richard in south carolina. I richard hake good morning. <hes> you know i don't wanna be the guy who brings up the elephant in the room but one thing you have to think about with zeke is he has had an off field incident every year that he has been in the league and even before he was in the league so if you play the odds i mean if you i do so every single season so far. You've had some kind of off the field incident. He's in colorado. He's probably out having a good time when he's not training in parentheses. You know so i mean it's like you really just waiting for the the the ball drop i mean as a dallas fan you want him to go ahead in hurry up and get paid so he can play as much as he can before that incident can or does or will happen or do you want him to go ahead right and just wait and not give him any money just in case he hits the bed. You know in a couple of months before he ever gets to get on the field. I mean as a dallas fan. You've gotta have that in in the back of your mind. Oh yeah but that's why. I said that you need to have language in there. I don't know what the collective bargaining agreement will allow you to put in a contract but if i have specific language that will avoid that contract if he's arrested whatever i don't know the legalities of that but if i'm jerry jones that would be the insurance policy that i'd want to have for zeke all pay you todd gurley money. I'll i'll go in this with you with my eyes wide open but will hold hands going into to this that if it goes south just so you know because he's gonna want that guaranteed money up front and you'll get thirty five million guaranteed heat up front. Jerry's not getting that back. But how long do you want him. You know that's that's really the key here but i think he's he's deserved the money money. The todd gurley gets on the field off the field. That's the reason why there's some trepidation here mclovin yeah but i. I don't think that anything's off the field. It's been that bad guys get in trouble early and then settled down and i mean it's close and play for the cowboys. Everything is amplified amplified. Everything you do is amplified it. Just you got to understand that it's twenty four seven. You got it every time you go out you. You just have to think t._m._z. could be right around the corner and they might be but that's going to be the keys. You move forward with zeke. 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The Bye Week Starter Kit | The Dantasy Football Podcast

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The Bye Week Starter Kit | The Dantasy Football Podcast

"Today's episode of the dancy football podcast is brought to you by state farm when you need a game plan for protection state firm agents are here to help with personalized service agents are available to talk in person over text or through the state farm app go with the one with coverage and agents you can count on find an agent in your neighborhood today state farm talk to an agent today when we get into november the weather really starts to play a bigger factor yeah especially in the passing thankfully the google assistant is ready to help pay google what will the weather be like in baltimore this thursday evening the forecast in baltimore thursday evening fifty five with showers google assistant is ready to help you get more done with just your voice in the car at home an everywhere you take your foot a little help hands-free just say take google to get started welcome to the dentist football podcast on the ringer NFL show on the ringer podcast network my name is danny hyphen and joined as always my co host and my co danny the here here we need and the analyst we deserve the dark knight himself daddy kelly how're you doing man i'm doing so well how are you doing so well well so like timmy's trapped in a well well i mean i'm doing pretty well also joined by craig rollback what is on your mind craig tacoma first gold this weekend film great well yeah we're we're gonna get into that because this is probably the funniest sleeper first week that i could have let's let's let's let's save that for later we'll push you a little later push further down the table right now let's jump into the one of the week which what made you go what this week looking at the top of the leaderboard fantasy football point scores i p p r this week this is not a homer thing but i see two seahawks at the very top which is pretty strange for me russell wilson and tyler lockett number two number one and number two i think is wilson number two so that to me was shocking rosen best quarterback in football also most fun player player that's not always how it goes i mean mahomes obviously was last year MVP and most fun player but sometimes matt ryan is the MVP not the most player it's always fun when the best is player is also the most valuable so i thought i thought that was pretty fitting because i think that russell wilson's play just in general was sort of his i guess submitting his status in the MVP race i think that's gonna be very very tough for him to keep kinda download dr stretch but that was an MVP type type performance it's giving him a shot at QB one honors overall this year i've seen as tough competition from watson lamar jackson but he's he's just blown out and tyler lockett is emerging as one of the best receivers NFL as well he's been a low wide receiver one this season he was if you remember prior prior to this season a lot of people talk about it was very logical as a prime regression candid that he had more touchdowns then he probably should have based on his catches in yards ars and all that but he has just continued on with absurd efficiency and he and russell wilson have almost like a magical connection on the field it's actually kinda crazy i saw this stat from NFL dot com grand barfield today russell wilson lock it formed the NFL's most efficient dual last year completing twenty point point one percent of passes above expectations that's based on difficulty location the bass all that location of the defender and everything like that so oh this year they are also i again plus seventeen point nights not quite to the level of last year but close and also just tops the NFL again so so those who haven't insane connection we seen in every week lock had a huge game against the buccaneers and i thought it was also fun to see decay mccaffrey out the offense is suddenly very very interesting fantasy wise and going forward i think it could continue to be pretty fantasy like productive in terms of you know i always think of the receivers and seahawks passing game is sort of low volume the seahawks never really unleashed russell wilson to the extent that we want them to but going forward i think the combination of seattle having a bad defense terrible kicking game could mean and that they have to get into like game where they really really rely on russell's nail a very difficult schedule down the stretch at the forty niners at the eagles versus the vikings at the rams at the panthers versus cardinals in verses forty niners so it's one of the toughest if not the toughest closing schedule which means i think seattle's not going really be able to play their game that they wanna play i think they're going to have to really rely on russell wilson like we saw against the buccaneers and that could be very good fantasy purposes so long story short i'm excited about what decay mcafee do i'm excited about locket and russell wilson is an outside shot at overall why QB one honors this year seahawks niners on monday full next week is the game of the year as far as i'm concerned it can be fun it's the best game at least so far for sure and i think russell wilson running around like it's recess just after school in trying to make stuff happen around nick bosa no so richard sherman roaming around trying to pick them off that is the level of football the narratives going that is just the absolute best thing and as lock it reminds me of aaron rodgers and peaked jordy nelson i have no idea how good tyler lockett would be in another team but it doesn't matter because as long as he's with russell so wilson the wilson lock it connection is as good as anyone in football yeah i mean i think lock it is a really good player but i agree with you that they have sort of just this connection or wilson always knows where he's going to be at any given time they they're very very good out of structure that's wilson's kinda game his whole careers making plays out of structure and every time wilson breaks pocket i'm like oh he's gonna he's gonna hook it deep deep to lock it in you know more often than not that's the case so yeah it's just it's it's fun to watch i you know my my hatred for the seahawks in general remains just because they make love hatred well they make everything as completely hard as possible in a lot about your coach for someone who has coach who literally crafted the USC dynasty came to the NFL got two super bowls one one fill like you don't i don't know i feel like there's twenty seven teams that would be like wow i would love to have be carol hey look i i'm i'm clear eyed about sort of the about the the difficulty in rooting for the seahawks because on one hand and how people can be annoyed at the fans for complaining because on one hand you the seahawks have had an incredible run of success since pete carroll got here i mean it's their best franchise you're supposed to the rest rosters ever the they got their super bowl win you know it's awesome it's been a really fun ride with the same time it's it's really really hard to shake the idea that they're completely holding russell wilson back to so it's like it's good ed but it also could be so much better it's such a weird sort of i don't know like hard thing to figure out but the other thing is is just like the seahawks of the p. carol l. era just excruciating to watch every single week just from the philosophically and how they approach everything it's got to be as hard as possible every week well this week went well for are you guys did not go so well for everyone else so let's get into some injuries and some states and potential replacements first up i think the big news of the early slate of games names at least what looked like it was jacoby perset from the apples colts he injured his the in the second quarter and did not return had an mariah monday confirmed as an mc l. strain after the came i'm frank reich the celtic coach said it was probably mc l. ish which okay i've never heard an mc l. s. as a diagnosis but it turns out he was right it is it mc l. in the game sealing percent could've turned he was jogging around but right decided he wasn't going to send them back in the fact that that was even on the table suggests it's not the bad he might might be able to come back this weekend's the dolphins but in his absence brian hoyer the other patriots backup remember seventeen to twenty six passes for one hundred sixty eight yards and three touchdowns including a touchdown at his first pass in the game also through a pick six and lost a fumble so it was like you know we all know about the ups and downs brian hoyer the experience not really it's crazy that we're in a league right now with matt moore starting brian hoyer ryan patrick if at twenty twelve now i love it all like probably going to be weirdly decent do you guys think you could pass a sparkle tests and mike can you name everybody who started a game a quarterback this year ooh that missing one oh oh man should kick cut that and then make that and anyway the point is if you're in a two quarterback league one quickly do not add brian hoyer under any circumstances yeah but if you wanted to quarterback league you should probably have brian horror because they played the dolphins and there's a lot of is this week so i just think the culture is such a well coached team and and we've seen over the last two years frank reich can scheme up you know advantageous situations for his quarterback regarding not not regardless civilians but even when he has a backup akhavan there even as and this is the third string guy technically speaking if you count luck yeah i have confidence that they can kind of scheme of things to get decent numbers i from quarterback so who is her and who has helped from this injury does anybody who stock go up or down well so the other this happens in conjunction with TY hilton hilton is out for three three to four weeks as well so he aggravated injury and i mean there's a number of colts that are on the able to benefit from hilton's absences act passed i think stepped up we're a lot of people thought paris campbell woods zach pasco is a great one but overall me for set's not game dolphins is worse so i think i think i think campbell is an interesting one though because they they schemed up ways to get him involved in this last game he hasn't fumbled twice yeah too so that was not ideal clearly but you know they were getting him getting the ball and they seem to be working towards that so maybe his role will expand going forward not one thing to monitor not a fan of rookies with ball security issues other players got some injuries this week levy on bell on the jets getting an MRI this is not a ton of information on this year head coach adam gay says he did not know how serious injury was yeah if bell mrs anytime time montgomery's like the only other running back on that team is getting stamps of any significance he was the receiver at the packers changed running back played pretty well hurt his ribs got some other injuries lost his job became kick returner fumbled and talk about that was exiled to baltimore for a future conditional seventh which is the NFL version of sending someone to say the area the island of elba yeah and then ended up on the jets and now he might be a starting running back to the jetsons it looks really good in the preseason time gummer he's been good i feel like he can have like what jalen samuels does on the steelers o. the energy to getting very versatile guy because of the receiving so i mean he can absolutely hand at a worthy pickup overqualified backup so if that's if bell oh mrs time but we're recording this monday afternoon we don't know bill's going to miss time so don't operate on the assumption but duffy check out what happened is that mariah never person adam field on the vikings the honoree aggravated a hamstring injury first quarter the vikings lost to the chiefs they lost twenty six twenty three ceiling did not come back same enter the kept feeling of last week so we'll see how they handle that hamstring injury going forward but obviously hamstrings are famous for lingering and also just bad for people who rely on speed hammers are the worst when it comes to i think receivers in in particular corners because you're exploding out of your stance and everything like that just seems like the easiest injury to reiterate every time so i've which is a injuries or tough yeah mitchell a play it safe with him the action item here if you are desperate for receiver help call on treadmill actually kinda china's stepped up and and you know emerged as the go-to guy at least in this game you got three or five targets for fifty eight yards BC johnson is another guy in this offense that's that's kind of filled in when when when feelings out so those are two guys you can check out on the waiver wire i'm not super excited about either guy yeah no don't pick up other of those guys i said if you're desperate or playing no no go down don't put someone in your bye week before you pick up the corn treadwell just eat the loss the lung guy cared deeply about our listeners and if a single one of our listeners picks up the koran treadwell and plays the quantrill will i will feel it in my heart like a disturbance vincent force i'm going to be watching treadwell closer than anyone this he's not a couple of quantum will to sean jackson the eagles to sean jackson so he came back so he for the first time he started a game since week to eat just been gone he's had this abdominal injury plays this this week plays four snaps leaves the game and is now having surged repair record muscle injury and made up late in the season so a rollercoaster of emotions for i mean to sean jackson eagles fans and people who have sean jackson fantasy just an absolute roller coaster so there's not a one to one replacement for him i mean his instagram handle does happen to be one of one side but nelson egg laura is still dropping stuff and still i'm not getting tested catches but the whole thing sean is he's the speed element vertical and then opens things up horizontal they don't really have someone who can do that so i think it lowers the boat vote for everyone who's offense except arts this is good firts the say if anything it to me it's a small bonus to people who are hoping for god our continued breakout obviously recy- guttered and do all this weekend but he has looked good over last month and with jackson out it means i think the gia that the eagles one running their twelve personnel to their two tight end sets lot more often and that could mean excuse me that can really good things got her craig any thoughts do you want to get your gloating in about how you wanted to do zachary that kind of forced you to gutter and then zakar it's had a great game i just want to recommend you both that when my spidey senses tingling to adhere to what i'm saying i i will give you credit for the melvin gordon contrary and pick on friday thank you very much lately paid off and also justified us having like a seven or eight minute rant about the los angeles chargers in that started with you kind of going against my pick and then by the end being like you know what actually pretty good pick i like it i go thanks cutting time you can convince danny of anything i think it's also sean jackson his first game this technically only game he had thirty one points i wonder if that's the most ever for a guy who just play one game in a season personality we're seeing will willfuller we'll fuller's probably on that list other injuries preston ashton williams on the dolphins blooms tours ACL in the fourth quarter of the games carted off devante parker season for craig speaking on a roll now these guys devante parker season baby i also wonder if it means anything for albert wilson because he was a guy that a lot of people were excited about prior to this season he's like a golden tate hates style yards after the catch you know explosive creator you know in the open field type guy and he hasn't done anything i mean he had a he had a hip injury early on the season is it miss winter games in ever since he's returned he hasn't really done anything so also mike you sixty having a big guy six has ninety five yards does that turn anything in this tight end deplete world we're living in no maybe maybe no no no who just going forward jordan eakins mica sixty they probably take neither there has to be someone else there's not only literally has to be last up a new segment for this yeah right here don't fucking bother dolphins mark walton starting running back post kenyan drake in miami suspended for four games do what we could tell you who's gonna be the backup in miami now you don't worry about it don't wait a minute this dolphins don't bother with the dolphins running backs don't bother really with the miami dolphins as a whole we like devante parker but that's an exception don't bother all right now we're going to buy as inspired by instinct could play this song or is that like a copy problem i'm gonna say that's probably massive copies you can you do this song can you imitate it i'm only singing once a year and it was the golladay which i did not cut no would sing singing by us no i can't do it i'm not doing it but you know whatever the boy's sixteen on buying we tend it's the most of the season denver patriots philadelphia washington jackson houston tees v the fantasy players we're not playing this week that's brutal yeah the top twelve quarterbacks shawn watson tom brady carson wentz garner mint you you for the top twenty running backs and six of the top thirty fornet philip lindsay jordan howard james whites-only michelle royce freeman three of the top ten receivers and five of the top twenty receivers hopkins eshelman chart coralline sudden maclaurin and to the top tight ends two top ten times i should say urging fells else and so yeah teams are hurting this week it's going to be brutal yes so we just wanna list because there's so many frickin people out this week just won't go roll oh through some people that you can stream like these are guys that you can stream like this week if need be she really have to pick someone up and slaughtermen so deka one roll through we're just gonna roll his off all right jalen samuels the steelers fifty nine forty nine percent owned so it's not necessarily a low number but if he's out there waivers he's worth grab obviously with james connors availability of in question you know he may this is going to be kind of like a game time decision but if connor is back than samuels isn't really worth it but if if cars out still we saw last week he had thirteen catches he's very very valuable NPR leaks particularly also like ronald jones a lot this week roggio aw he's only thirty eight point six forty percent that might be sticking point later in this episode rosia agent cares for sixty seven yards and a touchdown last week at this week sunday when last week becomes this week but two catches for fifteen yards boxer playing the cardinals this week is better than peyton barber now he's getting we're touches and peyton barber cardinals are good match-up i mean you could do a lot worse for someone on waivers going right into your line at the ronald jones and that's really all you can ask for us you could do a lot worse when you're starting someone that was on waivers and the last one this is the opposite which is you could probably you might not be able to do worse is but if you're really really desperate gus edwards my guy in the baltimore ravens who is owned in fewer than three percent of leaks gusts the bus gus the bus wow yes thank you guests the bus goes to the bus going against the cincinnati bengals and this is really if you're desperate but baltimore could get up so early in this game that they sit mark ingram and they could give gus edwards words like fifteen second-half gary's he rushing touchdown this last night against the patriots seat market grim had a like a fifty three yard run or so and then but he didn't get there so that they i put gusta bus in a twelve yard run immediately after for a touchdown so he is the guy spells he's getting like decent carries not if ingram place but ingram's older like they wanna preserve if they're we're up four touchdowns at halftime there's a world will go said what's actually does very well in this game and again really if you're desperate cuss edwards is one of the few handcuffs in the league where i think it's worth owning him even if you don't have mark ingram maybe alexander madison is in that category as well where if you have the room on your roster you're never never gonna play him unless a marking delve and cook it hurt but i don't think you should drop because edwards all year i if you're league is ten teams is probably not worth owning twelve maybe twelve hundred percent he's got playoff altering upside if ingram gets hurt that's actually win your league who else is on that list is free of of handcuffs 'cause there's guys like if they get hurt are not going to be replaced by one person and then there's guys like madison in placing facing w bush and get like sixty borderline seventy percent of snaps maybe maybe like reich well armstead yeah i have him in a couple of weeks i think i think as as much as we slander rashad penny i think he would get the bulk of the carries in seattle if chris carson where get injured plus he also key he's back to fumbling again so yeah tony any pollard i dunno yeah paul goodwin i just so shot pet he's been so fricking durable that man i think it's madison gus edwards though at the time what's the what what about reggie bonifant carolina 'cause he's a fun i asked six percent of snaps and carolina all right couple receivers so many people are on by i mean as decommissioned the andre hopkins juliette cattleman shark like portland suddenly a lot of top twenty guys devante parker parker craig's guy who we mentioned saver parker's owned like less than a quarter of leagues in deck pascal's owned in like less than three so those are pretty good options considering TY hilton's out in indianapolis and then you've got press williams out miami like press williams top ten top eleven yards and that's just not on the team anymore so those guys are both essentially number ones in their team now defunct they parkers a top twelve or see from the last month he's the water zebra thirty four this whole year he's been a wide receiver the three and again he sucked the first one i suck he was not getting the ball in the first three so it's more like he's been top eighty in september and then top fifteen in october october so with with fits magic under center though like you just never really know they can sometimes the the dolphins offense can actually like move the ball and stuff so either it's tragic magic but there's no it's average yeah that's true all right let's get into some categories but i first 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against a really good defense too so i think he looks really really good i don't know if this is necessarily the things are an indication of things to come but if he has the main role in arizona i i think he's gonna be a big time fantasy factor going forward now the question is kind of what what the deal with johnson and edmonds is going forward but if drake emerges as the number one i like him a lot i don't think the talent was deceiving i thought that it was if anything was a reminder of the difference between going from a awful designed offense to really well one was like oh oh my god can enjoy i think that the deceiving part is that touches to fifteen rushes i if chase edmunds chase edmunds and david david johnson of injuries that i think will get better over time but they won't be fully healed and that's like the worst kind of no man's land where everyone's going to get like a third yeah if anything anything that's just muddies the water for everybody yeah it makes it worse like for the whole the tide is now lowering all the boats now that works i've never really that one because the tied to that the other thing to know is there playing buchan ears next week who is notorious past final defense good very very good run defense allowed teams to struggle against them though i will say chris carson did pick up one hundred and five from now on sunday so how large run right right where he wanted people and then he fumbled at the end and then he fumbled at the i think yeah so like bottom line drake looks awesome that offense he is still not trustworthy as we just don't know you know the it's kinda like the detroit situation where we just don't know who the actual starter is gonna be yet so it'll be something selena monitor but i saw he looked really sell high do you guys wanna play quick name game with kenyan drake along for sure would you rather have kenyan drake or single terry single terry oh my god single terry can think drake is a perfect season long so high i think dynasty wise if you have money eighteen that's kind of a nice nice landing given devil double tear doubled down a devil single tear kenyan drake or matt brita and those are similar situations have very similar i'm just gonna cut it in my deceiving yards because that's actually what i was going to talk about as rita and go so i'm just going got to pivot to what i was gonna say what i always do anyway aaron jones and seven coleman week l. at the hell happened with aaron jones eighty combined home aaron jones had thirty three touches for three hundred forty four yards six touchdowns seven seventy nine point four eighty eighty points this week combine us twenty three touches sixty five yards no scores benign it was the worst night and a half points combined i think aaron jones is having a deceiving season i think if he has a a great rest of twenty nineteen and he becomes like a late first early second round draft pick next year he's gonna screw everybody i think this is i don't i think this is fool's gold as an entire year fair joe so well there's there's too i think the deceiving part of last week was it last week was confusing when they shredded the chiefs because the packers show two things in that one what was deceiving was how much of the usage aaron jones had to massive games this year right one was without jamal williams when williams was hurt and jones went off four touchdown game yet but they yeah yeah the four touchdown game but they didn't actually change the snap count usage of them when jamal williams came back so on that one that was like the best game the packers overall rushing offense could have had and then aaron jones just had all of it which was not a novel which was an aberration because you're williams is still has a pretty good amount of the russian game a similar thing happened last week where aaron jones just happen to get so much of the stuff against kansas city and the opportunity but it was real was that was the first game aaron rogers ever ever had three passing touchdowns two running backs two went to aaron jones and one went to jim williams that part's real i do think the running backs are more more involved in the passing game than ever before in green bay the deceiving part is it's not always gonna be predictable that who that goes to in this game and liam's jamal williams had a ten to carries aries for ten yards on the ground but had six catches for thirty nine yards and a touchdown so that's that's a decent salvageable flex blades way more than jones got so i think on that one it's actually more of the classic split where jones gets sixty percent of the work williams gets forty and you just gotta gotta hope they don't drop the ball like did against the chargers against representative coleman it's completely different in that he's the lead back but they're running so much that you don't know who's necessarily going to be getting the opportunity in all those guys are dinged up that we don't always know how healthy are some of them so it's hard to predict which of them are going to eat this week but coleman still going to be the best bet breed read it but they run so much they lead the league in rushing that brita even if he's the second guy and that totem pole blind coleman is still pretty good bet so to wrap apple the way back down on craig's question i'd rather have mapped read than kenyan drake because i know that kyle shanahan wants to lead the league in rushing every week cliff kingsbury is berry just wants to pass the put a point so i don't think cliff kingsbury is committed to like enough rushing that he can feed two or three running backs but the forty niners can the bottom line though is you just can't take aaron jones or coleman out of your starting lineup got on your team right oh well no absolutely not right ah so as deceiving this week was or or not you just can't take him out of your lineup oh no i hope i think if there's an overarching points that it's going to be in the middle between these two these are both actually pretty extreme outcomes on either end got jacob hollister the tight end of your beloved ciocci had a big week at two touchdowns and i think any tight end now scoring two touchdowns just worth talking about because tied into so bleak he had six targets this week he played a season high fifty nine snaps she's only played three games this year and their other title and luke wilson only seventeen and the week before was essentially the opposite luke wilson play double what hollister did so i don't know i mean george it'll just got hurt who knows what's going on with him i mean with with tight end so bleak is jacob hollister the former i believe patriot yeah things one percent owned is he the new will disagree i think it's worth if you have a ross by they i don't care about it's a spectacular that at this point the one thing i do worry a little bit about is the seahawks just activated at dixon so there's another tight end in the you know in the in the picture at least we don't exactly know how it is how it's all gonna play out but i also wanted to mention josh gordon is now gonna play monday night it looks like for or the seahawks forgot to talk about that too yeah josh gordon seahawk yeah how do you feel about that i think it's great i mean i'm excited about it i think it's very very strange how the patriots not only dropped him but then no other teams in the NFL put away reclaim on him all that feels very like we're not getting the whole story kind of thing but i mean i don't know you yet i like his his style fits issac style perfectly remains exactly the same decay metcalf in the sense that he can get deep at the size russell wilson's really really good of those sideline passes jim put in a perfect spot i mean you could make the argument he's the best receiver on the team no why not i don't know because he had not current data than with tyler lockett or decay metcalf did this week in four years and he had sixteen games games to play at one if you look at the seasons where he's had sixteen games he's the most overqualified fourth receiver maybe an NFL history i'll give you that i think the arguments there regardless i think it'll be very interesting to see how it all pans out and i'm just like i said i think he's a perfect fit for the wanna do on offense and so you know there's some definite potential chill there that related to hollister you know i just don't trust the seahawks volume wise too heavily target their tight end if they've they've got lock it decays really off right now and then also getting josh gordon vol i just i don't know if the volume would be their weak to trust the guy like that but like you said the title positions nations very grim right now so might just be worth a speculative add seattle goes okay so kenyan drake touches deceiving aaron judge seven coleman each of the last two weeks were deceiving jacob hollister the entire tight end position is deceived us great let's get into the guy you're not supposed to worry about people coming for people's jobs use deka who's the guy you're not supposed to worry about we're all kind of excited i think about what ty johnson could do when the lions portray carson i are kinda look like johnson would get another crack at the lead back duties in detroit he ended up actually kind of being the lead guy got t- my nine russia's but he only picked up twenty nine yards added added three catches for seven yards and six point six points mckissick JD mckissick meanwhile was the guy that we weren't supposed to worry about he got he technically got the start and then he got four areas thirty two yards three catches for forty yards score scored sixteen point two PR points was does i guess the more valuable clearly the more valuable guy to have in your fantasy roster this week in potentially going forward he could be but the bottom line is i don't really trust either at this point i just kind of like the dolphins situation just like don't bother with either these guys because it's a dice dice roll whether you know who which guy is going to be like more involved i just i just would probably go elsewhere with these two craig you got someone not supposed to worry about yeah i mean i just wanted to talk about muhammed sununu the new who got traded to the patriots two weeks ago this was the second game but i consider this is first real game with the pats because we'd have to snap in his first game and he had the second best fantasy hennessy game of his career he had ten catches for eighty one yards and a touchdown the best was week five twenty fourteen where he had ten catches for one twenty and a touchdown i don't know i feel like when everybody anybody gets traded to the patriots or gets acquired by the patriots especially receiver you kind of just have no idea and josh gordon is a perfect example you know we all thought he was he's gonna have a lot better season that he did and he really didn't nothing really panned out mom it's a new showed up phil you still never have an idea and he's kind of immediately made an impact and brady he seems to look his way and he looks really sure handed catchy made you really seems like he's gonna fit in well and i think mohamed sue is going to be like a top twenty five receiver going forward mohammed who jones second half of the season mahama's how long i think about how long is matt ryan out not that long i don't think if mrs like one game on absolutely pick until he misses like three or four maybe i can't believe they gave up a second round or form that to me alone is like they have a huge plan for them they have to also think that we just forget how how much bill belichick cares about things and sui walker bill belichick was just watching tape of muhammed to do blocking like throwing two touchdown passes a season from reverse wow belichick has his own guy you're not supposed to worry about on his out like where he just like he's like oh i'm gonna add this guy and he's gonna kill of you and no one even knew he was good but this this is my plan rex burkhead would expert can be good anywhere else another former bengal that has ended up with the patriots movable via atlanta all right let's get it all right let's see we've been we've been chomping at the bit to do this all right sleeper stream of the week craig has some shit's at talk so just yeah we wanna flex option each week owned in less than forty percent of team four percent of leagues and whoever is the most points each we can wins and take your lap craig well danny hyphen and danny any kelly the two candies on the fantasy football podcast players both put up negative totals and touchdown so look i wanna say something for like so first of all what happened i think is sad but it's also maybe more hilarious and the ash what what are the what are the odds i think the odds are astronomical that both standing i would pick players that would have negative point how many players had negative points in week nine i think maybe two and we both meco hardman of the chiefs negative one point three PR points he fumbled on a on a kickoff had one carry for seven yards remastered was not a factor ended with negative point to point so i have the pie who got negative points it is where he mostert auster zack zender jerry's right mccoll hartman deontay spencer and adam sheets shaheen i think the odds that we could have picked two of those guys are absolutely astronomical i'm not even mad about it i'm impressed the means we're in tune with zeitgeist we're really invite defense okay said if matt brita can't go on thursday and then i was sticking my neck out now my head promptly got chopped off but matt brea did lead the niners in carries an yards over over tevin coleman i woke up on sunday morning because the texans played that six game in london i was like crap darren fellows had one catch for one yard touchdown i'm screwed that what one catch for one yard would literally not doing actually not playing would have picked anybody can you imagine sells old good about your guys is picking poorly i'm going to pick no one you oh my god ten we're honest daddy yeah yeah it's the funniest thing that's ever happened under cincinnati the weekly game we don't worry about what happened last week we got to flush to windsor sir does hype it's up to ends i have two wins one one i guess yeah i've one okay all right well there's only one way to go we can only go up here if it's so let's let's let's try and get people end up in the positive this week so who who who you wrote with i'm gonna zach paschal paschal paschal the colts he's twenty percent owned in yahoo leagues he is the de facto number one in indianapolis this this week and over the next few weeks with t- on the on the shelf i think it doesn't even really matter of his back verses brian hoyer because i think he was still kinda the top guy in their offense he ran the most route sixty six routes on our sixty six naps i should say on sunday five or six targets seventy six ers touchdown so i think he gives him a good solid floor to finish with positive president p p r points this week craig who ronald jones running back buccaneers resilience said said he has finally earned the right to start jones's out rand his running back partner barbara three hundred and fourteen yards at two hundred sixty two on five carries heading into week nine he's had sixty five yards or touchdown and five of eight weeks ronald jones passes the test is good and they're playing the cardinals who give up tons of points to running backs i feel an this week anyway so i'm taking devante parker love half we'll have because first of all i or left blank because i thought craig was gonna take devante parker so i wanted jesuits and then craig took ronald jones and decided who would i rather uh craig with and i i picked onto parker yes there's like area prestowitz out and they're going against the colts in the system entered cornerbacks devante parker again top twelve receiver ever in the last four weeks but most because i wanted to be craig with devante parker i understand it this you know i get that for sure craig was gonna take parker that's it's funny how many points would you guys take from your streamer of the week like what's the what's the lowest point you would take rather than have your guy play that you'd feel comfortable with apparently zero or negative is fine like would you would you take nine or would you rather have back pascal play i don't understand your question to be totally what would you ask i'm asking like going to this week would you rather just pencil and nine points for pascal or risk whatever he's going to do oh no i think that this is a weirdly good week because as we mentioned at the top there just i think all three of these guys happen to have really good situations i agree way hilton is the number here for the 'cause he's not gonna play ronald jones is has a really good match up against the cardinals defense and then devante parker now has press williams is the number one receiver miami defacto and he's out this i think think this could be the highest scoring we will certainly higher score than last week but we usually would cut your goal with waiver guys but not at this week okay now it's time to lay down the law to see court do you have a fantasy football dispute that needs litigation is there a question that only outside counsel can solve take fantasy court with the dancy football podcast on the ringer NFL show facebook page alright calling the case of the justice i think i pronounce that right versus the people here's his case he says i'm the commissioner in a league college buddies and our season just like me well our night season one team attempted to purposely lose by sitting out a star wide receiver on monday night football after he'd been in the starting lineup all week thereby affecting the standings and allowing a lesser team his opponent that week to make the playoffs over another team with a better roster he made his intentions clear prior to monday night football this commission made the decision to fix the the match ups so the correct outcomes were posted to the standings as if all players had played so that's confusing what happened was there was a guy who basically sat one of his players so the a worst team team would beat him so then he could then play that team in the playoffs next week because he didn't wanna play another team that was he thought had a better roster so it's essentially the idea of like tanking is it okay to bench inch players to affect the outcome for other teams i love it personally man you should one hundred percent be able to sit players it's your team and it wasn't it wasn't collusion right like he wasn't agreeing with some other owner that no he realized that he just wanted different he i will not have an easier playoff matchup so there's two legal frameworks here a play in my mind there is one the big commission big government intervention here of just telling you how to run your team they fundamentally not a fan of because it's why i don't like trade vetoes being left up to the people because that's fundamentally late your jobs to run your team buddy don't tell other people how to run your team but there's also this runs up against bad faith where that is the real problem you know bad that's that's the problem with collusion psychos like get pay money for players which apparently it's like this is a but this one i'm intrigued because he let them know oh he was gonna do this beforehand i don't even think that matters i think it does because here's the thing i think that's a good faith i think that shows good faith so excited excited about it ahead of time and he's saying hey look this is what i'm doing i think there's a certain transparency there that i respect backed and i think what you're allowed to do that yeah bencher play your he at the key of this the core he considers online up how are you if you're the other not with a better roster that's hilarious kinda gotta be allowed absolutely hilarious instinct is like this is bullshit but at the same anti i don't think it's necessarily against the here's the issues it's bullshit but it's like what are you gonna do you're gonna change his roster i don't think the commissioner be allowed to go back and in and had the point is if he had started that star wide receiver i don't think that's okay i think this is just savvy man if you're changing someone's roster we're changing it is kind of like it's a fourth amendment issue like you need a warrant to do so you need probable cause of wrongdoing and that's collusion that's you know probable cause that anything went wrong here it's just like you don't like what happened that's not enough to break into his front door of his team and change inches lineup that's illegal this is like napoleon style savvy like looking i would never even think of doing s. i just be like okay hopefully make the playoffs yeah whoever this walsum karma element of like he's probably gonna lose the place to this team you let it and win the championship loses uses the case unfortunately it just didn't overrule just an overall he gave some thought but now a fourth amend violation your cases overturned justin shouts out to that savvy manager shouts to the savvy badger man shadow TK shadow craig i think so we got that's it that's it thank you to everyone listening thank you to justice pizarro for senate question please send your questions to the ringer NFL show facebook

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"Tonight on ESPN's Monday night football the raiders play their first game in Vegas against drew brees in the saints. Our coverage starts with Monday night countdown six eastern followed by saints in Writers. It's on ESPN and ABC and the ESPN APP and the expanded. Medicare on ESPN two with Davis and Kirk herbstreit that could be a very interesting game tonight Dan you. Like the Raiders of the Saints The Saints the Raiders Defense still isn't there what do you think rack I agree I agree but it's GonNa be a lot closer with Michael. Tom, raiders young talent saints defense is really good but Sean Payton will be creative enough to kind of attack some of those pieces in the Raiders Secondary. We'll see that's how the. NFL weekend will end meanwhile take you through the rest of it. Here's I welcome you back to another our kit up we are live from the seaport district at seventeen brought to you by chase, and it's time to get up with an epic comeback and even crazier collapsed that left everybody saying how about them cowboys then tonight, superstars collide in a primetime. Classic. Decided by one yard on the final play. Wait until you see this and a week away from their showdown next Monday night which of these young superstars really lead the best team in the NFL answers to those questions as we get up with you starting right now cowboys south good to the last drop to the last second cowboys second right now that. On a third-down can't do this and Atlanta. Brought pressure versus beat up -fensive line tax down trying to get out of that pocket. Early fumble per football team leads to a Falcon school remember fumble leads the score happens again Zeke on the fumble and the Falcons would take it in to get extra yardage. There's stars hurt them early and all of sudden they file fall down fourteen nothing and then the cowboys in the first quarter fourth and three of their own territory they're faking upon rex deal like it. Yeah. There's a forty million dollar punter. That's right. He's. What the heck is he doing faking upon liked just. Throwing out, wrong. Yes. Step into it. Yeah. There you go. Get Great Job. Yes absolute rex did not like the. He did not like the call. They would fall down twenty to nothing. But now they're clawing back five minutes to go in the fourth down thirty, nine, twenty four. That's the play that you showed US earlier. One of my favorite throws of Dacca's throwing tight end open, and then this one, just the whole debt corner make sure he gets lost by that receiver. The receiver gets lost by the corner and then just throw the ball to Gallup. You see the athleticism full of a base you go. Hi, you catch it and somehow somehow getting bounce thirty eight. Yards on the play that sets up two plays later, Dak taking it in himself to the cowboys are bike to after the extra point, which means they need to execute the onside kick which no. One can cover any more because they've changed the rules, Michael terrible kick. What how the heck did that ball get there grinning at so many ways in which This thing has to go right for the Cowboys Falcons look like their third baseman. Thinking is just GonNa roll out it just GonNa roll foul and it never does and the cowboys fall on it and they're in business that is an extraordinary quite Jerry Jones thrilled. We'll talk about how it happened in a moment but first let's show you how the cowboys. Used it to win the game that CD lamb that's twenty four yards therein, field goal range, and that would set up Greg, the leg line from forty six yards away this to cap an implausible comeback from twenty to nothing down the cowboys. Win It forty, two, thirty, nine, their first win of the season is a thriller in every sense of the word. We showed resiliency today and I mean I. Want to thank. Those twenty, one, thousand plus fans that showed up today I'm as you said, I don't know if I've been in many games like this to be able to get the win and filling those those fans that were there. That stayed the whole game that didn't give up on us. It was simply just incredible. You look at any great season that you're able to put together. You have you have big moments that you're able to build off of this. This is A. This is a big moment to build off of. Iraq's was nodding along. He heard Mike McCarthy saying that how unlikely was this? Well, it had never happened before the Falcons scored thirty nine points in zero turnovers going back to nineteen thirty-three that had never happened before a team's going that many points at not turning it over they were four forty and zero until yesterday. So a spectacular win I want Ryan Clark I. Want To start with you because let's just talk about the onside kick for a moment here because it really boils down to that did the Falcons blowing and it's a beautifully executed kick but did the Falcons blow it on coverage? They absolutely blew it in the Falcons look like they had never went over this at all in training camp. When the ball is rolling rolling, they're acting like if they touch it before ten yards that it's a penalty, they also don't block anyone. You didn't see bodies attached to body, which is what you're normally supposed to do because there's a guy who has these shores ends on the team who's usually supposed to catch the ball or pick it. Up This is all on Dan. Quinn. This is all on his special teams coordinator but also on the players you to execute in these moments. But sometimes, the game is about perspective. When you're up on the team, you've scored thirty nine points and you don't have turnovers and you've been leading the whole game. That's the team that gets a little tight. That's the team. That's a little nervous but the Dallas cowboys had been playing house money all day. So that team was lose team understood what was going on a Greg's airline and coach fossil have done this numerous times which you saw sometimes with the fakes early on in the day that didn't work the Dallas cowboys were more prepared. The Dallas cowboys were more courageous. The Dallas cowboys were more ready for this moment, and that's happened to the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta Falcons find ways to lose in stadiums in Texas that are just beyond beyond anybody and. Just unacceptable. The fact that Dan Quinn made it home to Atlanta and it's still the head coach of this team is good for him but I'm not sure how good it is for the franchise because you can't go up on a team like that you can't mean to win game the way that the NFL need to win it and blow it because of you not only just because of what the other team is doing this can't happen and. Our see in the meantime, the other side of rex when Mike McCarthy was saying sometimes in a special season you need one of these kind of moments you were nodding along. You feel like this was that for absolutely and and look I've been part of a few special seasons but I'm telling you you know one time we had Tony Banks threw five touchdown passes to win a game we gave. Up Thirty five points when we're at the ravens record-setting defense, but we had that moment and found a way to win when there was no chance of winning and and that's what I saw. I saw so much that press got had the dang eye of the tiger. He was not good lose that game and that's something that I've seen the competitive. I've never seen him at that level listen Dan, Alaska. Like almost every week, a referendum on Prescott it. So this was a very good. We chose the forty million dollars, a year quarterback performance. It was one of the shining moments it. So it's one that he can walk in to Jerry Jones's office and said, put this one in my box you know like this one goes into to my file. Five been very critical of Dak. when it comes to this, do you win the game that you're not supposed to win the game that you're not supposed to yesterday was a game that you shouldn't have one Dallas you were three offensive out bunch of guys beat up you turn the ball over early you take a huge deficit at home early on, you're not supposed to win that football game but somehow you did and that's a really big kind of. Stone for Dak Prescott, because we all said this, he's probably one of the two or three most under pressure players in the NFL this season because of hey, we're only gonNA give you the franchise tag you're loaded with talent and for for him to lead that Comeback Win that game this could be one of his best performances as cowboy because of this team falls to Owen to go on the road to Seattle your season's done. The greatest thing he did yesterday he didn't press, and then when he needed to, he was the best part field. That's to me a difference maker or a different Dak Prescott than we've seen in the past. Okay. So that was the performance of the day yesterday maybe the game of the day, but football day ended at night with an extraordinary game that comes down to the final one yard Seattle and new. England is it sound familiar? Those two teams might finish game decided by one yard. We saw it in the super bowl once upon a time but of course that fell on the left was not the quarterback of the Patriots then. The first drive for the seahawks Russell Wilson having a great start to the season. But this Dan, not his favorite moment bad break bro I mean you should not one get an interception on the shallow cross when the boss wealth to should not get tipped up in the air and pick the return for pick six. So just a bad break for Russell as his first interception on the season and so the seahawks down early by seven nothing score. Now, we take you to the third quarter seahawks and patriots joy down seventeen fourteen and. Watch David Muir win the battle on this one I quarterback big time trust from a given this ball but then just the body control like to look back search for that football, find it, and then what's the right foot clip the lawn, and then the awareness to get that put back inbounds to make sure doesn't step out and kind of secure that touchdown just remarkable athleticism Wilson with five touchdowns on the day. Here's the fifth one with this team out five on a second down at the Patriots Eighteen Yard Line. This is Chris Classic. Air, look, at air, all pressure comes your vocal running back. Make sure thrown up air underneath that go to allow him to kind of adjust and tracked down. So the seahawks does but hold on, he wasn't the only quarterback of what a great night Cam Newton had a great. Not Kim was remarkable I mean throwing the football confident in what he was doing. Finishing run near the goal line, this was a big time performance by number one. So now it's a five point game under a minute left stupefy point game Patriots Ball, the seahawks forty, eight and rex like the Cam of all you know it's so scary. How could the entire League being dumb like Cam Newton's still cam. Newton lookout Corsi comes to winning the game. To. Gets very catchable ball, but it's really difficult. To turn. Overs left shoulder and it just football it's coming hot. You're going to see him make that catch more often than not just didn't get it done they're. Greedy this final play Seattle just completely sells out can you get the ball? He's running body. Wagner makes this play outstanding surge by the full defense. So once again, between the Patriots and Seahawks, it comes down to one yard on the final play and this time it is Seattle that comes up. It makes the defensive play Jamal Adams and company celebrating as they hold onto win thirty five to thirty and and yet on a night where Seattle wins and Rosa Wilson throws five touchdowns are see I feel like the story is Cam? Watched last week and we said Oh well, he's just gonNa run I guess they can't throw the football last night Cam Newton was spectacular in every way that mean for the Patriots. Big. Picture. Listen this Russia's NBA. But it is camps career on the line. Every time he plays and he showed you last night that he's back. When you go back to week one against the Miami Dolphins, it was about call Cam Newton runs some Rpo game just doing enough offensively last night it was about giving the keys to the car to Cam Newton and letting him drive and I thought he did an amazing job. You look at some of the connections between him and Julien Edmund Facing Jamal Adams who's probably safety in the game right now there. Will balls that will pinpoint accurate he'd through with velocity he threw with confidence and he played like Superman many people talked about Cam, Newton's personality Cam Newton's charisma the character he was and how it would fit in New England. What I've seen fit than anything is CAM, the football player, the big physical, strong confident quarterback and Josh mcdaniels offense. They needed this piece, the fact that it took them. So long to realize that is beyond me he's made the players on the outside better. He's made this offense more versatile and they. Are more fun to watch Andy Effective. Then they were late in the season last year before this all started, I said, Oh, Cam would be good. If he's healthy, they will be good. They will compete in the AFC east with the buffalo bills. The way the team is playing offensively. It's the defense could get back around to what it was last year they have a real shot to make noise in the playoffs. I'M GONNA be honest I'm happy for Camp I said on this show that I'd be wearing Cam, Newton jerseys. On Sunday and last night made it be that I wasn't wearing those jerseys because I was rooting for him to do well, I'm GonNa Be Wearing Jersey because I'm a fan of the man playing quarterback for the New England Patriots and the way that he's doing it he was great and Rex, I know that coaching against him you always hated it. You hated going up against because it was so tough. Did that look like the Cam of his you know that's what's so scary about this and I look I wanted to write. Off The patriots of Vikings let's just give it handed to the bills right now, and that may may very well happen. But I tell you what they're going to have to beat New England who's canute look they never won the game but they won the night in the Reading Cam Newton to me look with the Zip I never thought he'd had the ZIP ever again with the shoulder injuries and all the injuries that he's had, but he clearly has it and look I still don't why their weapons yet he made them. Work to the two to four hundred yards passing. So I mean man Oh man if you're a Patriot fan you could sleep. Well, could you you got a hell of a quarterback's Phil? Bill belichick would never say that this but this is a great loss means for you to go across the country and Goto toe with the hottest quarterback in football and get into a shootout and bring it down to last play. You feel really confident as a football team brings up a good point of like the defense I assume that they. Will get better but the fact that you can go one week and be run dominant as a football team, and then the next week become air dominant they were dominant through the air last night. There are better football team that I expected because I had been outspoken going those receivers are going to hold them back and I know Seattle's of stinks and they lost two safeties and so they were attacked. But the fact that Cam looks comfortable throwing the football looks confident throwing the football is going to give Josh mcdaniels more. Confidence going we can. We can throw at six times like we did with Tom if that's what's necessary to go in the football game, they're a better team in a better offensive football team that I thought through week to, and I think what has to be said is look Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. You will never say they're better off without him but this particular incarnation of this team is probably better with Cam Newton and what he does with Tom Brady, and what he does not have a green greedy. Say. I know I know you've been scar by Tom Brady is not new would never say. This probably better these this this collection of players, Jacoby, Myers demere burden. Keel. Harry is better with Cam Newton at quarterback period they are. He does more with this team than Tom. Brady. Ever could and that's not a knock on their careers is not in any way to negate Tom Brady's greatness they needed Cam Newton this was a match made in heaven. The Same Way Cam Newton. said it was it was beautiful to watch last night. I couldn't say it better myself. We'll take a quick break. We'll do much more as we go the civil football from yesterday. The last two MVP's have their teams at two, and now they face off next week who is the class or the AFC mahomes in the chiefs for Jackson and the Raven we'll talk about it plus it wasn't a king, but it was his buddy who was the Lakers hero last night to the Lakers. Look unstoppable right now at the question, the answer is coming up this is. On ESPN. We are back get up Ravens Texans yesterday, and that's the Shawn Watson, and this is a play. He's not GonNa, like Baltimore's up by six, and now their defense is coming up they're gonNA punch it out and make up light on the field they gonNA. Call him out at the one yard line on the returning by Eljay Ford they would review it would be called a touchdown. The Ravens would take a twenty two, seven lead. In for the score, he goes to the fourth quarter we go. The Ravens are up by ten and here comes the direct snap. So Mark Ingram this is like jumbo jumbo personnel. So many big bodies on the field they spread the Mark Jackson seem run from the bottom of the screen and then Mark Ingram. Power Karate chick to that Texas logo run Games since dominant for Baltimore thirty three. Sixteen. Baltimore. So that's maybe the best team in the AFC or maybe the chiefs of the best team in the AFC. Will they had a battle yesterday with the rookie quarterback test at Harvard but we're going to go all the way over time. We showed you how this broke down Berber to Mike Williams who should have been beyond the sticks but he's not there short of the first down again in the overtime they make the tough decision a pundit back, Patrick Mahomes and he makes them pay a dollar. Thompson. THIS IS ON A. Play the chief decide to go for it. They weren't deepen their own territory, but that keeps the drive alive, and that sets Harrison booker from fifty eight yards chiefs win. It wasn't pretty but they get the win twenty three to twenty. So the chiefs and the Ravens both unbeaten, and that begs the question is they head into the showdown meeting on Monday night. Football next week. WHO's the best team in the AFC REX I think it's Baltimore and Greenie nobody talks about this. Their defense is number one in the league after they acquired Marcus. Peters, it's so to me if you got the number one offense and the number one defense. Italy. How were you not the number one team Dan Number One team in the AFC. Chiefs. This is still the defending super bowl champion do not get caught up in what you saw the chargers game the chargers always play the difficult their scheme wise personnel, wise bill exactly. The Way San Francisco is there are the only two teams in the NFL that are built like that the addition of Clyde Edwards dealer will continue to pay dividends for this this football team. Now, they gotta get better to stop the run up in the middle they got to get better defensively stopping the run but I'm still taking the Kansas City chiefs because they got the Best Plan Planet Ryan Clark for the second time this morning I'm asking you to break a tie which is the best way. I'm going to go back to one of Dan's analogies from earlier is the Baltimore Ravens the Baltimore Ravens on the vintages, but this is infinity wars and Patrick. Mahomes is still Tanos and so they always have a shot. This is very much how I felt about these teams last year going into the playoffs I, knew the Baltimore Ravens will the best overall team the Kansas City chiefs are right there and quarterbacks the best in the world, and so we got to see how that plays out. Now who did he pick? He took the ravens man he took. Say but he's a Pittsburgh. He. Saying the Ravens. Are Say Hey Listen. Go ahead. Hey, greedy I said it and this an. Why can I I'm with Dan I'm with Dan with rex everything wreck said is true and all those things still existed last year in the second half of the football season. But then we watched the play offs and we saw the best player in the world be the best player in the world. I. Think these two teams meet up in the regular season and when they do I'm GonNa pick the Baltimore Ravens these two teams in the playoffs which I hope they do I'm pick the Kansas City chiefs. So right now yes the Baltimore Ravens are the best team passion homes still the best player in the world. They will play next Monday night a week from tonight in Baltimore those two teams will go head to head for their regular season meeting this year, and we'll see what winds up happening there and I said it on the radio last week and I'll say it again and Ryan I can't believe you're not on my side on this I'm telling you right now the Pittsburgh steelers are going to beat one of them in the playoffs, the Pittsburgh steelers with Ben Living again and They are the steelers. You know what? That's not an easy win yesterday. The broncos are not going to be an easy win for any team in the League they want easier than the chiefs did yesterday I'm telling you right now the steelers are going to beat one of these paintings I. I feel like soldier boy over here dress code. Exciting because we driscoll. Scored twenty, one in Pittsburgh I. Know There's no fans that is not the type of dominant performance that you needed to see from my Pittsburgh steelers after you put them in the big three, it's not the big three right now, and if it's a big three, it's like Dwayne Wade Lebron and. Bosch is not like the the Celtics Week three. Go You. I think I picked Pittsburgh to win the division. As great as Baltimore has been I expect them to get better and better. The best blitzing defense in football right now, Klay Pool is a player like I told people. He was going to become a player and Big Ben is just starting to show like, okay. I'm not the best quarterback in our division I'm GonNa show you some clips of Ben Rothlisberger coming up later this hour that is. going. To sell you on that. Meanwhile, as we continue here on, get up on a very busy morning on this Monday. What we still have coming up here is if you aren't paying attention to Cuyler Murray, you're making an enormous mistake why the cardinals quarterback has made. The NFL. Look like his own personal video game much more from cuyler and company. As we continue, you're watching get up on ESPN. We are back on get up and there's only one week left of the regular season. Both these Games are important for playoff positioning tomorrow six, thirty eastern on ESPN AND ESPN APP the Yankees second in the East bluejays are third they played the second four buffalo than the AL was leading as NL West leading dodgers open a three-game set at dodgers stadium pro. Baseball Coming Your Way Tomorrow On ESPN. Meanwhile, the thrilling finish last night, Lakers nuggets game two in the bubble pick it up at the very end of the game with the nuggets down by one forty seconds to go Jamal. Murray. No Nicola Yokich yes nuggets nine nothing wanted to take a one point. Same score thirty seconds to go anthony. Davis, the nuggets just had no answers for him all night long ad taking it strong. He would score thirty one lakers a one point lead ensuing possession Yokich twenty seconds to go look at the power muscling at home seven of Eight. Now is Yokich on game-tying go ahead field goals in the final thirty seconds nuggets up one thirteen seconds. Lakers play going for a bucket Alex Caruso Open for a reason no good Murray. Gets Danny Green drama is blocked listen the corner, and that's GonNa leave one last opportunity for the Lakers down by to where are you going to go anthony, Davis, Ballgame Anthony Davis drilling the three as time expires whatever remarkable moment walkable win for the Lakers are heartbreaking defeat for Denver in game to the celebration is on Anthony. Davis. In the Lakers one, one, zero, five, one, three, I'm that clutch shot he of the brand combined for fifty seven Lakers up Tuesday. Is for sure the biggest shot on my career and I love I just WanNa be you want to be able to compete for a championship and I know that you know moments like this comes with it especially being in. the biggest market in basketball I mean especially for me especially for the team to do something like that we know and. The Jersey were tonight. You know it just makes it even more special. He said it's the biggest shot. He's ever made is hard to argue with it may very well punch the Lakers tickets to the final teams up one nothing in a best-of-seven that win game to the one to win that series ninety, three percent of the time if they're up one nothing in lose game to it's basically a fifty fifty shot whether or not they win this series. So a huge win for ad and the Lakers. Meanwhile back to Football Dak Prescott and the cowboys looking to come from twenty to nothing down to start this game against the Falcons and they do data plunging one home his third rushing touchdown of the game made this a two point game, and then the incredible onside kick. Dan Orlovsky by Greg's our Lonzo ball looks kind of turning. It's it's cutting cutting Atlanta's sending their case. This get there. Can we jump on it? They're obviously confused. Massive mistake mistake by special teams and then this route by CD lamb is just so good defender on the ground because got worn out because he puts. Beautiful job out of. The cowboys in Greg's arline a chance to win it and win it. He does forty six yards ball game cowboys comes from twenty nothing down to get their first win of the season. Another heartbreaking loss for the Falcons in the state of Texas is unlikely. I keep showing you this number but I can't get over the Falcons scored thirty nine points and zero turnovers that had happened four hundred, forty times in NFL history and that team had never lost correct had literally never lost impossible to lose it obviously. But how? When you get how in the heck it's still heard about that's what they're thinking of themselves in the heck did that happen meanwhile let me take you through something of Sunday's standout performances that titans getting a return on their investment and Ryan Tannehill he completed seventy five percent of rose four touchdowns Tennessee wins at thirty three, thirty over Jacksonville. They start the season to Buffalo Jose Josh. Allen is in a great passer falling did yesterday was Throw for four hundred yards and four touchdowns only the second buffalo quarterback ever to do that, and then Big Ben is back as i. told you last week to touchdown throws nine ill passing Eli manning phrase on the all time list he's throwing five touchdowns and zero interceptions in his return. This season that elbow looks good and so does the steeler offense meanwhile, what has assembly looks better being cuyler Murray cardinals taken on Washington early on. The kids unbelievable. He's just so created. So created with his is coming back side to find Hopkins I'd Love The ball placement and see the hesitation lost by the Washington football team you lose the best player in the field obviously, very difficult to do cardinals at seven nothing play design. This plate is on his so sweet you bring those guys from the right side, bring them around. You got an option pitch for cuyler. He can just go be so creative space put. Hesitation and the ability to cut back like tell back I mean that that looks like a video game that is walkable to watch it in here comes more from Kylo Murray. This one is well, this is a kind of a RPO where decides to go quarterback run I lead to Tailback Watson, follow the back, and then just look at the speed the person through the whole, and then the ability in the ground cut off safety. He's just a special special athlete pilot Murray Blue for two. Eighty six ran for sixty seven, three total touchdowns. We're making a list of the best quarterbacks in the NFL right now how far do we go before we get the his name you're not. You're probably getting close to staying on one hand I mean as far as just such a difficult guy to play against, and here's the thing. He's the fastest player on the field more often than not he's good touch the ball every single plate. Obviously, he's developed so much in his past game that. Field or downfield shots that he was good at last year but they didn't have people to do it. Now Kirk is healthy. They've got hopkins as well, and then you can get so created in the run game the ball distribution game that he's he's kind of developed its he's on he's awesome and rex I know the thing you love about him is that he doesn't get hit. No, He protects himself I've never seen a guy take less kits. As soon as he scrambles don't worry about it, cardinal fancied not GonNa get hurt he does not get touched and so when you look at it easy their slide underground right as a great baseball player, he gets out of bounds or sticks it in the end zone you're not touching them then you and I talked about it member in college relate this kid never gets tackled never and and now he's not even get touch. So to me, I've seen this one other time I think when thinking about all these players uh-huh. Michael Vick but he throws the ball better and so to me that was it the way vic burst on the scene that's the way. This kid is right now. Ryan Clark. What are we seeing in Cuyler Murray here as he begins year two of his career. Listen, he's a true master of deception. He can do things from the position that we haven't seen from other players in know rex brought up Michael Vague and you think of him you think of Lamar Jackson who revolutionized the run game from the quarterback position last year but college Murray's even better than that. If you WANNA ask anyone how good collar Murray is ask troy advocate the safety for the Washington. Football team. There were times last night on those touchdowns where he was by himself in a wide open field and he couldn't put his hands on him in the phone booth. Here's why. Here's why that's so unbelievable because normally he does slide normally he doesn't take hits. He's developed a smooth way in a great understanding of knowing when he can make the extra move knowing when he could score you go back to the first week against the San Francisco Forty niners he rushed for a touchdown yesterday he rushes for two touchdowns. Both of those head cuts that needed to be made both of those were made in crowded areas but he understood that he had to space to make a play. He is unbelievable not only physically but mentally, and if he wasn't five ten, we'd have been talking about column way more than this last year because he's a special special talent. I would love to kind of get you into this conversation when it comes to like a lot of times I think what's so difficult when the athletes become really kind of utilizing skill players, right they become pieces that teams move move around is coaches go who we have to match up against this guy whether the pass game or the run game cutler has become such a dynamic player that I think defensive coordinator to ask themselves it's not necessarily. Do, we feel good with our play college. Who Do we want on the field? We know he's going to be a part of the run game that we can tackle him in the open field. There was an old thing that that throwback coaches like me would do you. WanNa. Blitz running quarterbacks. All right because you don't want to get him started in say you can't handle this kid in space. Unfortunately, there's a kid named De'andre Hopkins on the team. so He's going to have anybody that can cover them. So there so many weapons now that they have in anytime, you see a four-man rush you gotta be like Oh my God but the Andrei hop it's so he takes away all the blitzes from you because he's going to destroy me cover and then you got Kyla Murray go four ban rush or winter. Now he gets you space nobody can tackle. So you have a lot of problems here and I wanna tell you something cliff Kingsbury. A much was was brought up. He brings in this air raid offense. This has nothing to do with air raid. Now it's an NFL offense and I have the better player than you and he's taken advantage of it and I've also noticed in their defense is playing better ever ever since he changed that philosophy of to better players than you have because they have Murray and they have hopkins. To catch just one. which is the most of any player in history in his first two games on a new team go ahead Ryan. I talked to a player from Washington yesterday about losing the Andre Hopkins in the back of the endzone. My question was, how do you lose the best do on the field if he said because my eyes were fixed on Kylo Murray because I've seen so much run and so much option in in red zone, and that's just how good column is the Andre Hopkins broke the record for catches with the new team yesterday in the first two games but column Murray is so dynamic a deficit. My eyes were fixed on Collar Murray. That we think that's the best division football and don't look now they might be the best team in it. They were one and fifteen two years ago as we continue, one errand is slinging it. The other one is running over people and why they're eight plus performances have the packers roll it is that the best team in the NFC we're talking about next count on ESPN. Back on get a packers lions tale of two errands, and in this case, it was the best of times editor was the best of times second quarter down fourteen three but not long Rogers Jones touchdown great job using the man coverage pig get Jones out on the flat easy throw for this offense and just before halftime. Rogers again, this Stroz so sick that Titan puts. His foot in the ground already come into the back of his helmet. I. Loved IT Third Quarter. Now, the packers are in front and Arab Jones is gone. This is what they're doing really good in this offense right now spreading teams out and getting really good numbers advantages in the box creating one. Aaron. Jones any hits it really well, Jones finished with one hundred, sixty eight. Yards rushing sixty eight more receiving three total touchdowns. They got a couple of eight Iran's and right now green bay looking like it might just be the best team in the NFL and so some we'll look at that and say see maybe they didn't get it so wrong in the draft is that the way you see it? No I see see that's why they got it. Wrong in a draft of it look you're that close away from being in the Super Bowl. So Hell No, I mean what you're going to draft a scout team quarterback and nats while you're having success you got no you could've helped your team anywhere. CD. Lamb whatever I don't care who it is. You put of improve this team and here's what I think's going to happen. I think Karma going to get them in the end I really do because if you're drafting. You disrespected Aaron Rodgers and I think it's going to bite you. We, see that differently you know I was one of those people who was okay with them not taking a receiver in the first round I think the packers are the crown of the NFC right now through two weeks I could tell you why they're quarterbacks playing the best football. He's played in a couple years they're running back as the most under appreciated player in Football Aaron Jones is tied in the for the NFL lead in touchdowns over the last two years, Christian McCaffrey and the receiving. Core has become more than just devante Adams Allen lazard endowed that vow desks gatling had developed into becoming viable options for this football team, and then they have the best offensive line football and so this team is the crown or the the best group or best team in the NFC through two weeks. Let me ask this you've had your share of battles with Aaron Rodgers. If his team is going to run for two hundred and fifty, nine yards as they did yesterday, nobody's going to beat them. Know you're in trouble especially with the way he's throwing the ball. There were some drops yesterday as well. Right now, I'm just hoping that the Detroit lions really save up their money put all of their pennies together and make sure they by Aaron Jones a proper father's Day gift for being there daddy yesterday because he was all. Run Game in the past game and he was amazing and they could not stop them. This was also you know and not me the packers are good. But let's not get too ahead of ourselves and crown. The best team in the NFC because the big brother just beat up on two little brothers who aren't very good right now, if you look at the end of the second quarter, the the Detroit lions have the ball backed up they say they get the ball to the Green Bay packers, the Green Bay packers, connects score a touchdown. They get the ball out of halftime. Aaron. Jones. For seventy five yards right now the green. Bay Packers are doing the things that they need to do an errand, Jones's picked up right where he did last year. But this team still has some hosts still has some deficiencies and we haven't watched him get dragged into deep water yet and we saw to Adams get a little banged up yesterday for me when rex talk about calmer coma that that will be Tacoma if somehow divided Arabs gets banged up and LAZARD WHO has. Stepped up and vowed gatling who has stepped up and play better through these first two games has to carry the load from the wide receiver standpoint right now, the Green Bay packers are doing really well, but they started last year like this to let's see what happens is the season gets long I totally disagree with that we saw. Devante get beat up here. He got banged up Lester I. THINK YOU MISSED FOUR Games I Think, they went four and Owen those football games and I'm telling you those two young receivers are have become difference makers they have grown and developed into RC brings up like a fair point. But when you have the best offensive line and football and a piece of versatile piece Aaron, Jones you can figure out ways to mask in injury that will last for a couple of games because of that, and so you know I think. That makes it. That makes sense but this is what you also have to understand. Right and we've been going back on the film. You go back to last week have a young Hilton. Camden dance who is starting at cornerback now you come to this week. Jeff Okuda plays his first game. He wasn't prepared to play against receivers like that or quarterback. Backups all around the field where to Detroit lions are bringing people off the other teas practice squads who are mmediately put onto the roster, and I'm not saying that these guys have taken this step up what I'm saying is for veteran players players who have been there the Green Bay packers did what they were supposed to do offensively playing against the people they were playing against. This is knock on them. I. Believe they were a good team last year they're playing well now. But we still have to see when they get stiffer competition, what they can do outside from a skilled player standpoint. If Davante Adams is banged up against dudes that's fair for what it's worth their to in both games in the division. The first game was against Minnesota, which is a team. I know you liked before the season Sodi and that brings up hold on though this is fair and let's show you what the problem might be. Okay. Let's talk about Deandre Hopkins and Stefan. Because those are two guys who got dealt during the off season. We knew they were both special players, the Andrei Hopkins and Stefan digs they've both been terrific in their new homes. How terrific? Well I'm glad you asked let me show you some numbers. The two we knew were elite before their off-season trade after two games. This year Hopkins leaves the League in Receptions Digs leads the league. In yards, the two of combined for nearly forty catches and four hundred and fifty yards in two games. Their new teams are for no their old teams are Oh and four. By the way, yesterday digs had more receiving yards than the entire Minnesota receiving core combined on the day. So what are well I have to start with you Ryan why? Why is your this liar you doing that? because. I sold out I sold a with kirk cousins. I. Say Kirk cousins is going to lead a team. They're going to be better than the green bay packers Aaron Rodgers and that was all in all in for a whole stinking off season and then read reading Dan Orlovsky tweets and he's like you see they got two teams they trade star receivers am paraphrasing here and they. You know one of those teams is the team I can have an opportunity to win the NFC championship. Right now they can't win the KFC championship. Original. We just rub it in on the show with him and I know that's why you brought this up and I'm sick Greenie. That was a stupid trade. We knew there were bad traits and now you have quarterbacks that have got new contracts in new money that aren't worth. The money aren't living up to the contracts because they don't have the guys. You can't make those decisions that I mean those sorry I mean Moceanu. That trade of De'andre Hopkins just look at the T. left behind in the team that he comes to same thing with digs rex, your thoughts no absolutely in in Ryan hell I thought Minnesota's GonNa be alright also. Kohl's I thought they'd win that game. Why? Because look the colts gave up wanting completion Gardner mid Menchu now. So I'm thinking this guy's going to have a hell of a day and by the way couldn't stop the run. So Donald Cooks going to go crazy. On offense yesterday against that softy. Omega, they made them look like the. About. The receivers Dan Right. Out The receipt, we always talk about like, okay number one is worthy of having a star receiver and you're literally watching it kind of play itself out in the season right now, look at these offenses for Zona. You talked about Arizona there too and Ho, and there are on offense because de'andre happy skains added an element to their offense. They didn't have before or defense corners gotta go good. What are we going to do with deandre? Hopkins. You know and then Baltimore Buffalo Stefan Digs, and they've got these young development quarterback in all of a sudden. It's like wait this quarterback again, I would put at the top. List for MVP in the NFL right now it's because they've got a guy. He can win in men covers this win the game essentially this default wins in the game yesterday, and so you're looking at a team that has gone. We're we're a piece away on the outside to becoming a much better off. Let's go get him. It's worth it, and then Houston you made your bed you might as well lay and and Minnesota you made your bed you wanted to get rid of those too good players because you couldn't get along with them. You're gonNA feel the ramifications of it and look we talk about the team. See One quick second because we talk about the teams they joined we just talked about cuyler Murray. You know who else is having an MVP start to the season is Josh. Allen maybe digs it's a big part of that. If you're going to tell me I get people to pick his MVP football right now I'm saying Russell Wilson and Josh Allen. If I pick one I'm saying Josh Allen has more to his football team. Then Russell Wilson is to Seattle he's my MVP RC ten seconds go. I'm just sick greedy. Josh Allen. Is. It Kirk cousins stinks you know why? Because they got rid of his number one and I agree with Dan Josh Allen is in the top. For the MVP conversation in a huge piece of it is because he has a true number one on the outside now and we watched his game elevate on downfield throws and. Throws Kirk cousins destroying the double coverage ten seconds rex. You've love Josh Allen from the beginning. Yeah. Because I thought he'd get better and better and better, and that's a tribute to to. To that coaching staff, they've done a hell of a job is what they have done. All right. 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Tier Jumps, Tough Questions, Fedora Jason

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Tier Jumps, Tough Questions, Fedora Jason

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I would like to personally issue an apology and know that. I hate myself as much as you hate me right now, we're last is or so fog, you look like you're wearing a monocle. With nora. Here's a little insight for Clint right before we started this episode. We were we were laughing pretty hard. We were we just we we started it like twice, and I just I was laughing too hard. I couldn't stop. It's just one of those days. I think it all started. When I looked at the monitors and saw you in a fidora. Yeah. I look like the world's most punch. What is it with your head? And hence, why doesn't it work? Why don't they work together? I don't know. Like, it doesn't matter. If it's a baseball hat. I mean, I did a camp this door looks small to me based on your your proportions. I dunno telling me fat not on purpose. But probably welcome into the fantasy football for Tuesday. February nineteenth it's going to be a good one. We've got a great quick question. A ton of questions from the listeners from the foot clan that we're going to answer on the show today. And it's gonna be fun. We're gonna have a good time. And Jason you only have one more. Contractually obligated day that you have to wear this before the burning. You're gonna burn it on camera. Oh, sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Nothing is not standing the test of time such a waste of a great hat. I'll sign it and give it to you my, and you may have this wonderful, and no we should you need to sign that and some lucky foot clan member doing or lucky you're going to be. So whatever reason it reminds me of like the suit that the guy where like Jim Carrey wears in the mask. Yeah. No the pin stripes. I need a nice pinstripe suit to match this hat. Yeah. That's that. It's bad for Thursday. All right. Here's a quick question of the day, by the way, you can follow us on Twitter at the F F ballers on YouTube YouTube dot com slash fantasy football checkout. The fidora please stay subscribed after you do that Instagram dot com slash fantasy football as you can listen over on apple podcast, Google podcast, ad free on Stitcher premium or wherever you listen to podcasts. We appreciate. Each and everyone and you hanging out with us through this extended by week as we head into free agency and the NFL draft and whatever new things and Tonio Brown is going to tweet all of the above that. We're here. They're good, man. All right last week. We entered a quick question about teardrop candidates. So we talked about guys that we thought might drop down a tier based on their performance. So who is a running back that you could see that you could see making a tear jump in twenty eighteen and maybe when he guys can start by just kind of reemphasize tears in how that factors in. Sure. Well, that's how we recommend people draft. That's how we we break guys down in our rankings in the alternate draft kit, which by the way, you can preorder that right now get some cool extra stuff if you wanna get in early. But the tier is guys undergo score around the same amount of points and the top tier running. I'm back clearly has more value than any other piece in fantasy football. So we're talking about guys at these. Specifically, I think our guys that are right now considered tier two three four. Yeah. So who who's in tier one for you right now. Let's lay that out. I don't know. That's a great question Todd Gurley saquon Barkley Ezekiel Elliott. Yes. Those three for sure depending on news. I could even see arguing for Christian McCaffrey. Yeah. In that tier. He's on the cost, and then depending on what New Orleans does Alvin Kamara yet would be to your one. All right. So we're we're talking about a running back each of us picked a running back that we think could jump from maybe tier three to tier two maybe tier two to tier one something like that. So Jason monitor you kick it off with a name that we were talking about this morning. Yeah. We've we've been talking about him because I think he's going to be criminally undervalued in when I looked up the very early ADP. He's going in the fourth round. So his I think he will jump way higher than that tier? The guy that in his actual playing as the starter. He's pretty much been a running back one every single year that he's been the starter. And that is devante Freeman who got injured last year. Everybody who drafted him was disappointed thought. Oh, maybe he's gonna come back in two thousand eighteen he doesn't he goes on injured reserve. So there's just a poor taste in the mouth of just he disappointed, you if you asked them if you thought you could make a run at them later, he disappointed. He's twenty seven years old which signed you a big deal two years ago. Yeah, it's both good and bad. Right. Like, you know running backs tend to peak around twenty four right now. But thirty is the death age twenty seven is a fine age for running back. That's not. That's not good. You're yes. It's a good year. And so I think he comes back and you saw how desperately Atlanta needed him last year. Tevin Coleman was not able to do it. We don't know where he's going to sign, but I think I think Freeman is an Rb one. And if he's not an Rb one in two thousand nine he's at least, you know. Top fifteen back in fantasy football. He's being drafted right now. Well outside of that. So I think he jumps up from where he's being drafted into a higher tier? We'll give you a few names here Jason with your fidora K Leonard for nets or devante Freeman. Devante freeman. I would say for net for myself. Now, let me grab one more dalvin cook. I would I would go down and cook I'm gonna take the gamble on his enormous upside Mike who you got. So I'm going with my guy. My God make no qualms or disclaimers about who is my guy. This is the stupidest thing. I feel like I'm just being shamed. I I must have lost some wearing a fedora and having my guys stolen out from under me Marlon MAC, Eck Eck sky. Yeah. And you know, what really for me, it's not is not necessarily the running back. I want to situation I want Andrew luck as the quarterback. And I want in offense of line that is back. They are full of young budding superstars last year. Pro football, focus, had them graded out as the third best offensive line football, outsiders had them graded out as the fourth best rushing offense of line. And that's what I want. I think that they're his role Marla max role is secure enough at the top. He gave you enough big games gave the colts. I should say enough big games that they don't need to be in the levian bell hunt. They don't need to throw a huge dumpster full of gold bullion and live bell. They're good and the guys behind him Naim Hines, Jordan Wilkins aren't good enough to supplant mar the MAC so his he is in a great situation coming into next year, and I'm going to be very excited for him. And we're talking way way too early ADP over on fantasy football calculator. But right now, he's in the back of the fourth round going behind Derrick Henry going behind. Let's see I'd probably take Freeman ahead of him. But they here's a interesting question for. For I'll throw this to Jason. Because I think we know Andy's answer Sony, Michelle or Marlin MAC, if Abby I'm sure you would take Sony, right? Marla MAC is takes if Marlowe amac is status quo that don't add or change anything. I think I would go with Marland MAC here because you'll be able to trust him when he's out there. I don't I don't like playing the trust game with Bill bell check. And and and you know, the New England backfield being said at the end of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony Michelle score outscores right rather have had. Yeah. Because he gets the three touchdown games. And has these monster performances? But I think I'd rather have the consistency of MAC assuming he could play sixteen games. What about Philip Lindsey who right now on calculator is an early third round pick. Andy, would you go with Philip linzie or Marlin MAC? Yeah. That's a good question. I think I and we're we're not really factoring cost in right now. We're just saying the early ADP. People prefer Philip Lindsey. So I put them in the exact same area. I think they're they're about the same. It's funny. You brought up Philip Lindsey because he's going ahead of the guy that I have is my tear jump candidate. At least according to very early average opposition. And that's Joe mixing. That's crazy. I know Joe mixing lead the AFC in rushing yards last year with one thousand one hundred sixty eight yards. Look he was second highest breakaway percentage. I looked this up. Saquon was the only other running back with two hundred or more carries. They had a higher breakaway percentage. Higher proportion of his runs being fifteen yards or more mixing has fire. And you saw it on a team that struggled that lost a lot last year towards the games. Mix. Them was the one guy that was running hard. Just like he was in the first quarter. Look he finished the season by rushing for over one hundred yards and three of the last four games. And now you bring in Zack Taylor a new head coach new offense of system. There's a little bit of news recently, Mark, Walton arrested for battery Domi, not good and. It should be the Joe mixing show next year. So I think if he's being drafted in the third round in the middle of the third round. This is a tier two guy the has tier one potential. I really think he does he has any has what you need to be in a tier one, which is the ability to catch the football, right? What's interesting is? I'm looking through the the way too early eighty p it's going to be a narrative that happens this entire offseason as we are all to do we overreact to what happened last year two years ago wide rece wide receiver scoring was awful. It was just it was a low that we had not seen in a very very long time. Especially considering the way that that scoring was trending. You flip. That's and people overdrafted running backs, and they have bypassed great wide receivers this past year wide receiver scoring went way up in. So now we are seeing a ton of wider. Receivers going in the early rounds. You're talking AJ green currently going in the back of the second round and trying to figure out how many wide receivers are actually going in front of him. Well, you guys five wide receivers in the first round alone. Twelve twelve twelve. Yeah. We like that in. That's just speaking to the death that the position and how I look people are going to do this in drafts this year. They're going to see what the wide receivers did. And they're gonna flip the scripts and an overlook running backs who can be foundational tear jump Rb once for these wide receiver. Well, I think thing that's very interesting about the running back position is outside of that tier one group. Melvin Gordon should have been included in that. Probably yo. Yes, you're you're absolutely right. But outside of that you have a variation like Leadville James Connor I now they're kind of back of the first guys. Philip Lindsay Joe mixon dalvin cook back of the third. So that gap. I mean, do do you feel confident that you know, that Leonard for netter David Johnson is going to have a better year than one another Nick chub or David Johnson. Philip Lindsay and Marlin Mackey brought him up. Phil by Joe mixing. I do not like that Philip Lindsay price at all. No. Was he prices ridiculous? I'm a big fan of Philip Lindsey. I believe he wins the job and has it. But I I wouldn't spend this capital with the risk that still has to be admitted is is in his situation makes an and cook should both go ahead. Honestly when I when Joe mixing Freeman and Marla MAC are three the values. I think that's why we're saying we we see them as possible to your jumps from now till draft season. Or if they stay there, certainly that's when you want them. All right. You still have a chance to grab a sign. Tiger early jersey by the way foot clan giveaway dot com. Bunch of freeways to enter go head over there and get yourself. A few opportunities to win a sign Todd Gurley jersey and some other stuff, let's get into the news. News and notes from around the league presented vice sleeper. All right. The bills have they've released tight end. Charles clay, Mr. necessary, Mr. on necessary. Yeah. Very unnecessary at this point. Yeah. I mean he may resurface but not no fantasy relevant role anywhere else. The forty Niners. They've declined Pearson's twenty nineteen option. This was interesting, Dante Pettis jerseys up on our wall today. No. He's the reason why it was shocking to me. So they they cut ties with kid. I mean, he's he's an older guy spent said he's been beat up. Yeah. He's he's he would have been expensive, but he's expensive to cut. I mean, seven point two million in dead money, and they gain just over a million dollars towards their cap for next year. So you're taking a huge hit for to me. It was almost like you should just pay him. Because I think that our song can still be productive part of a team. He'll be thirty three years old by the time the season starts this year. So I know that that's not ancient. But at the same time for a guy that's been banged up might just want to develop a younger guy versus worry about it. That's that's a fair point. How much does the declining of that option? Does it? Does it aim the forty Niners towards a big name free agent pickup? Whether that's trading for Tonio Brown. Biggest free or even tyrel Williams or something like that. The the big free agents is not a free agent and said Tonio Brown other him. I mean, the list is garbage proving it very soon, by the way and a lot of a wide receiver. Who's at the top of a lot of free agent lists at the wide receiver position is golden Tate. Yeah. This why would you cut PR goes sewn to give a guy like golden Tate at bunch of money now that doesn't make sense. So it's huge news for Dante Pettis who is going to man he's getting a first class ticket right on that. Hype train people are gonna love him this off season. Yeah. No doubt about it. We will be getting into Brooks. What is the Thursday show? I I don't know. It's not the free agent preview on Thursday. Right. Not quite 'Same next week. But this Thursday ten things to remember all from twenty eight thousand that's bringing out the little black book that we keep all these long all the notes that were writing down to ourselves of. I don't want to forget this. I don't want to forget this. I need to make sure next year. I get smarter one for you for next. Don't wear for. Yeah. That was it. Yeah. Let me write that down put that in your life. I would like it known that. You're the only reason I'm wearing a fedora dare you. What are the what are the odds? I'm going to put the Andy what are the odds by the end of Thursday's show? Jason starts looking in the mirror going. Oh. No percents zero away believe his cO before the show started was I want to punch me in the face. So he doesn't seem like he has a lot of confidence today on the so no. Suit up. I put the hat on your member. When I when I had the optometrist appointment. Oh, yeah. I got to wear my shades. Yes. Oh, that was liberating felt like I felt like a genius. I feel like an idiot right now. So you feel you have to to guard your takes I feel like this has made me dumber as a person impossible. I know I'm already so low style on that scale. All right. That was today's news. And now we've got a lot going on on the show today. So be sure to switch your dynasty league over to sleeper the sleeper app. Download it today super easy. We love it. You ready for some mail bag? You read it answers. Oh, goodness. Okay. Mailbag? Dora edition. Jason does look if he just looked sad. I feel bad. I I put the petition out there. I was only signed it. I mean that was hundreds of thousands of people. I'll bet I can find your name on that. Let's do a quick trade. I'm also wearing a hat you give me the fedora. Yeah. And just so we're gonna look cool. And I'm still gonna look stupid. How do I look you look so cool you're looking way cooler than wow, you, look great. And if Adora, okay, how do I look? Oh, I look so stupid. You also look like you're wearing your your dad's baseball cap because my head is. All right. We're going to dive into the mail bag. If you have a question, by the way, you can send in a voice mail question. Three zero two four six four Tf B keep those brief to the point. So we can put him on the show, and then you can submit questions on the website, go to the more tab, click submit a question, and we answer them from time to time here on the show to try to make your life easier. Trying to get you that w in twenty thousand nineteen. All right. Here's a question from Travis in North Carolina. I'm starting a dynasty league. This year. I've been planning on using using a taxi squad. What are your thoughts on taxi squads instead of having all players on a regular roster? Mike you've spoken before about taxes caused this one. So for the uninitiated attacks squad is a almost like a separate roster. So you know, the dynasty you keep everyone on your player. You have a huge amount of players. And there's oftentimes guys that you don't. Want to get rid of to make room for the incoming rookies, which if you don't have taxes call that's what you have to do. So you add in a taxi squad. It's usually, you know, three to five spots, and these are rookies that you can draft and just let them sit there. They don't count against your active roster. But you can't play him. Right. You cannot play them. If you're going to add them to your active Rosser, you would have to drop someone from your active roster, and there's all sorts of different ways to use a taxi squad. It's like the dynasty league. I'm in it. Or I'm in that uses one its first and second year players are allowed on that squad. It's it's nice because then you you have these developmental players that you're taking with your third and fourth round rookie picks that you know, they're not doing anything for two years. So, but you believe in that player skips, you an option to hold onto them and see if they actually amount to anything. Now, there is an article on our website fantasy football dot com. Tom the introduction to dynasty fantasy football article by Corry Evans. He'll talk a lot about the ins and outs of a dynasty league want to learn more in that capacity. So in general, do you prefer having taxi squad? I do I like it. I prefer not squad guys on a fight about it. No, we already know. He's gonna win look at it. Look at how. Well, he wears hats. All right before we get to this next question from Mr. Carlita. Oh, I have to tell you about twenty three and me, listen, we live in a world where we have so much access to data gives us insights. Right. My kids. They're szeswith the fitbit's. They're running circles outside on the basketball court to get to their goal steps. 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And when you're ready to launch us, the Africo footballers to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website, or domain. That's squarespace dot com slash footballers offer code footballers. All right. We always think all of our sponsors for supporting this podcast. Let's do it year round. And we appreciate how the fuck Clint supports those sponsors as well. Indeed. All right, Mr. Carleen has a question. This what comes in from our Instagram? All right changing names midseason set. Good luck or bad. Luck isn't important question. Deep. Analytical thought here. It really depends on your record. Look, if your if your own six-year-old need to rebrand, you're going to need to rebuild done Umbria brand. Right. I have done a rebrand after a poor season. And also taking on a cone or and we we made it ours. Our team name, but the rat pack, right? Yeah. Yeah. Say. No. But may and Brooks see, I mean, we play in the leagues where you know. It's keeper or you know, there's there's there's this. I don't know man do. I do. And and I think we're not for whenever there's history divisions things like that. I would say I prefer to not change league. You know, your team name because I want that you want the banners in the rafters. Okay. Let's just say redraft though, this is worn off. Look if you can get a if you can get a psychological edge over your opponent. That might be a reason why there was a time. I was going through the play offs. And. Yeah, remember, this this go me and Mike were heading towards another battle in the title game. And I changed my logo to this was my like little soup superstitious get in their head. I just kept changing my logo to a picture of my opponents best player. Gif and then they would struggle week after week. And then when we got to the final it didn't work it didn't work. It's almost like the player didn't even care that. He they were my logo. I'm going. I'm going, bad luck. Yeah. Bad luck. Don't do it. All right. This question from the YouTube community, Dan Henkel says who will retire? I is it Frank gore. Wow. The eternal one or Adrian Peterson his name is all day. So either Frank or Adrian Peterson. Maybe they're in a competition with one another to last the longest I think I think Adrian Peterson will last longer than Frank. I I agree. I now that there's been a change down in Miami. And gazes gone if Frank gore doesn't sign there. I don't know how many teams out there want to sign Frank. Or even though he looked okay. Like, I don't know if they he looked sure pretty good in spurts in spurts. But are do you think other GM's are like, yeah, we need to add, you know, thirty five year old Frank gore. But I do think that there are. Still believe in Adrian Peterson. I mean Adrian Peterson later thousand plus yards. Yes. That's the thing. That's an Adrian Peterson's favor plus the two years younger than Frank. But Frank gore got a job in free agency. Adrian Peterson got the training camp job. Because if someone got hurt you think goes back this year. I don't I'm not even sure he's back this year. No, I he could be reserved. I think I think Peterson will outlast him. All right. Seth on Instagram. What does Pat Mahomes dynasty value in a six point passing TD league? It's certainly very high. So big question. Well, I mean going to start up what round do you think, you know, you would take Pat Mahomes, and obviously if this was a two quarterback or super flex league, you're talking in the first few things, I know you're you know, late quarterback. And I totally get that. I usually am too. But if I'm at the third pick in Pat Mahomes is still on the board and a super flex. I might be considering that otherwise in a single quarterback league it change. His drastically for me. And I would say probably third round would be the earliest I would consider taking him third round, Mike. No, I would not take him in the third round. You'd wait yet. Why would not take them with her in just by the way? Like, I one thing we can actually agree on this in this question is six point passing. Touchdown. It doesn't matter makes. No, did I give if you're in a four point or thirty point per passenger Stanley. Then is still doesn't matter unless it's Patrick Mahomes. It really does matter at that point Patrick Mahomes own. Thirty points per touchtone. Well, it doesn't matter because they all get thirty. Well, actually does matter at that point. Because you would if one quarterback touchdown a for all the same points that the rest of your team scored then it wouldn't. We're trying to thirty point passing touchdown lead. They're rare. But yes, I the the point is is that the water level rises with the points scored. So whether it's three four five six as long as it's not outlandish. It's more about which quarterback. He's he's the number one dynasty quarterback. And the reason it's hard to take him even in the third round. Where you could argue mathematically the value is there for him compared to other people on the board there. But what you what you're forgetting about is that late in the draft. You know, you can get James Winston who's a young, you know, bright future. Now. Now, the areas has bought in. And you know, they're gonna let Fitzpatrick oh, James Winston will cost you very little in a draft. And the players that are there in the third round. You're going to need for years and years and years at wide receiver and running back. So I'm looking at they're good friends of ours. But dynasty league football. They track their own ADP. And right now, Patrick. Mahomes is an end of the second round guy. I see him at thirty five in my list on another okay here. But but here player, so if you take Patrick Mahomes that means that you have passed on Travis Kelsey dalvin cook Brandin cooks Zakar tes, George Kittle, kerryon Johnson, Sony, Michelle these are guys all going after Patrick Mahomes. I give you a few named somebody on that list that I was like, yeah. Definitely. Oh, I feel every single name. I would definitely take over pep. Yeah. Well, I mean, you look at a guy like Kelsey. Over Patrick Mahomes. Like, I get Kelsey value. But how long is that going to be long enough? Twenty nine years old. I believe right now. Yeah. Yeah. If you're twenty three years old. Yeah. But you're giving me three years at least then three years at at elite production. I would take data. You do see a variety of opinions on this though because I've seen him as high as number eight or nine on redraft army on dynasty startup drafts. Because if you could let me let me put the question to you differently. And I know this is this is hard to do. But it's still a possibility. Let's say you pencil in forty five touchdowns a year for Pat Mahomes for the next ten years, then are taking with you take him. You take them in the first round one hundred percent. I think that's why you see the varieties. We don't have enough track record. Yeah. And and for everyone out there thinking, we'll look what he did this year who's a huge. I mean when we're saying we're taking them in the third round. We're not anticipating Heathrow's fifty touchdowns, and it's not going to happen. He could be in entering the NFL at a time in which forty is his baseline. He could be a forty touchdown guy for for his entire career. But if I'm getting if I'm having replace ability at the quarterback where I can take two or three guys on I know in a match up that they have a high probability of throwing two maybe even three touchdowns. And so my quarterback is throwing thirty three touchdowns. Yeah. I that's that's the route that I take and that's I get the security that people feel of Patrick Mahomes. I mean right now, he's he has Iran clad the way that people view him it could be an illusion though. Because Carson Wentz. I mean, he looked like ironclad guaranteed guy last year things change. Yes. One tyreek, we'll happens. If tyreek hill goes down at the beginning of next year. How many throw so? Yeah, you're points. We'll take it. All right fantasy football bachelor party James in Boston says loves the show. He rates today. Fifty five out of. All right. He says he's getting married in September. And instead of a cliche bachelor party. I want to plan something involving fantasy football. Some of the guys are in leagues with me. And some are other some others are moderately interested. What are you guys in J Grizz recommend? Aw, man. You gotta have the bachelor league. Yeah. That's exactly everyone. Who's there you need to? I don't know if you're going to have enough to fill ten or twelve teams. But it doesn't matter. If you got eight guys there, you can figure it out. Just make sure it's an even number. It is timing up well with the marriage in September you can draft this thing in August do alive draft, man. If you've never experienced the live draft come to our live show or you can do you can work that into their. But alive draft the thing I look forward to the dare look forward to. Backpack. I like Christmas little bit more. But our live draft that we have for our league of record is top three day of the year for me. It's so much fun game. I mean, you got to go why I slow on the freeway, man. I can't risk and on the way there. Get an M C get someone to announce your draft making an extravaganza and you'll never be able to go back online drafts. We have an article on the site by our editor in chief Kyle named live ways to make your live draft. Legit. You should check that out. He's probably talking about MC's. Yeah. All right Instagram question from p money runs. Wait. What's the money runs? Pomona raiders fan questionnaire. Is there any fantasy value to be had on this team? Talking about the raiders the. As of today. It's your your little bit hard pressed, obviously, if Jared cook resigns he could be somewhat valuable there when you're starting off with Jared cook. Funniest part. If you look at like ADP for like a dinosaur draft right now the earliest pick from the Oakland Raiders is the one hundred and forty third pick in a dynasty draft and his Jared cook. Wow. Who's not even a raider? Derek Carr is one sixty five Jalen Rashard, one eighty five Jordy Nelson to ten the best value. They will probably go out and try to sign a big name running back. I mean, they have to marshawn large stone and cramp is himself. Doug, Martin are both reagents. Yeah. So yeah. I would I would say that the most valuable raider going into next year is going to be their starting running back who probably isn't on the team right now. That's fair. That's fair. Do you think Lynch's done again? He's not. I don't think he's gonna play somewhere other than Oakland. Yeah. Then they have Oakland has all that turmoil. And they should be playing though in California again for at least one more yet. I think he could come back. But I'm right now, I'm going to say he doesn't come back. All right. All right. Here's a question from Jordan in Fort, Wayne, Indiana. Hey, ballers I ever fort. Yeah. That's mine too. I have preordered the UD Kane. I was curious how I throw my hat in the ring for the twenty nineteen listener league. Well, well, Jordan, look first off you have already. Yeah. Because right now through was it March first through March. I if you preorder the ultimate draft kitted ultimate draft, get dot com. You are automatically entered to win one spot and just wanting listeners, but other than that it won't we won't open this up until July August ish, and honestly the way that we get people in. We just we want people to have a good time. I don't care about your Yahoo trophy case your sleep or trophy case ESPN. I don't care how many tens of thousands of dollars. You've won. We just wanna make sure you're gonna have fun in this league. And we like people are big fans of the show because it's it's a common denominator between all of us. And so. So it's always fine line is Jason didn't win last year. So there's one extra spot open. Well, there's not because it's already taken by the champion. There's the same amount of spots open. I mean, I guess there's one fewer than usual. Yeah. That's usually I win. That's right. Jason normally it's a worse situation for you out there. Yes. But yeah, you could or couldn't take it home. Once we start taking entries in you can send in videos, you can send in we've had everything we've had we've had videos, we've had political type speeches on video. We songs we've had art sent to us. Yeah. We've we've got a pair of back on the foot clan wall. We've got a pair of vans just that have painted with our logo on them the other tip. Besides no trophy case screen shots is too long. Did it read me don't send me? We've tax hundreds of dollars to go through. And I and it's and it's a shame. Because if you take the time out to write this big long twelve page letter to I feel like I should read it, but too long. All right. So that's that's how you get. And you also get ten bucks right now to shop dot com for free. If you pre order the ultimate rocket. All right. This question comes in from Twitter from ant. Joshua underscore Orem, big bins value with no AB or bell question. Mark. I think you'll be fine. I honestly think it'll be okay. I think the big been is going to be a very risky pick. If you lose Antonio Brown. I mean, you love your laws are going to be lower. Yeah. His it's not like Big Ben has been this automatic stalwart top-five fantasy quarterback year in and year out. He usually isn't. And that's with Antonio Brown. I think you take Antonio Brown off. And he'll be a guy. I'm I'm happy to draft in the double digit rounds. Because I do think you'll have great games. But he's a streamer and nothing her cousins are Big Ben if Abyan Beller gun, I would probably draft big been over Kirk just. Time afraid of what the Minnesota offense is going to turn into with the office coordinator change, I think they wanna real Kirk cousins back. We talk about Kinley Baker versus Big, Ben. Have we I don't I don't know if we have. No, that's a great one though because they're both going to be late in the draft. You'll you'll be able to draft either one in the end in the tenth round. I know for me. I would rather take this shot at Baker. This is the argument I was making a while ago. That's not even to say that Baker will be a head of my rankings. So Big Ben is thirty six what did he finish as as this past year? He finished let me put up he's top five. Right. But he was something. He was the leading passer in the league. So here's his history was number three three. Okay. That's his best finish ever, by the way. He finished fifth back in twenty fourteen. But he's only finished inside the top twelve at the position that would be five out of the last eleven years. But big Ben's. Biggest problem is missing games. Yeah. So his end of season is usually a bit lower than his actual per game that he's given you. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. And that's part of the risk. And if you mix that in with no Abyan Nobel, I mean, maybe they make a splash. Maybe they do something else. But it's probably gonna come through the draft for them. So who would you guys rather habits we big been and Baker? I would take Big Ben I think Ben right now. Yeah. You coming off a number three finish. I'm not gonna I think between between James Washington, Vance McDonald. And then whoever else they add James Connor used you. I think that Big Ben will actually be. Okay. All right. This question made to see fill in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Hey, fellas just purchased the UK for the first time extremely excited to use. It this year I'm gonna keep really and have the option to keep kerryon Johnson. Whoa. Oh. My first. How? You you stay away from my carry-on. When you wear that stupid hat. You get you get vanquished stole rights players. I quit kerryon Johnson for seventh round pick. So he could keep carry on for seventh or Damian Williams at his ADP which right now it's going to be hired in the seventh. Yes, it will be this is a happy day are that's the hard thing about this is if it's ADP at time of draft at the time of the draft, you'll know if Damian Williams. Yeah, projects out to be the guy or not. And if he's projecting out to be the the guy he's going to go at least in the third round. Yeah. And let's say Damian was the guy though. And he's in the third round. Would you take him there over carry on for a seventh? I mean, that's a that gap. Right. There is pretty tough to decipher I think I would take Daming overtake Damien still if it's a third round it's up to second. Yeah. They're not carrying go kerryon. That's exactly what I was just about saying, I think if he projects to be the guy they don't really add anyone, but you know, some scratch behind him, then I think he'll be in the. Second round. And at that point. I would take care would take care and just for clarity, kerryon Johnson, Mike, Damian Williams. Jason's guy. Yeah. Yep. Yep. This is gonna explode. He's just gonna fully show ever worse. So let's the guy from the Pixar movie the linger were the inside the body. Anger. Anger can see Jason Keller to this door, Oregon. Three Oregon straight up in the air. Brooks can we hard-earned money and effort to get a system that will slowly just drop door onto his head at certain times of the show. Episode six hundred ninety three my least favorite epilepsy. Delaware ninety three. Yeah. That means big seven hundred zero. Yeah, it's coming in. It's all right. Here's a great question. Because I I don't think we've talked a lot about it yet. We will Chris Molina writes in from Twitter, what are your expectations for jerick? Mckinnon next year seems like Shanahan system has been very Rb friendly very, by the way. Yeah. Colonel mustard last year remote start. Jeff Wilson junior name's Dave both guys had success less. You're and you're not even mentioning that burrito. Who looked electric and then offense? What do we think about Shanahan jerk? Mckinnon's return? I love jerick McKinnon next year. I'm not I'm not worried in fact, if onto Freeman jerk McKinnon. I who Freeman. Yeah. I guess I would go Freeman which injured player, do you? I know that that's the that's the issue. I roll is better for Freeman. And Freeman has established that he can play sixteen games. I mean, this is you know, he's done it year after year after year he got injured once so I'm not I'm not too worried. This was Jack McCain its first chance to be the guy. And granted it wasn't like it was a workload. He couldn't handle this happened before the workload even started. But I I do very much like jerk. Mckinnon the the San Francisco system is going to be great because he's coming off that injury. He won't be valued even wear the high expectations are like he won't go. You know, people think oh he could accomplish being the runningback ten this year. No one's drafting him as the tenth running back off the board even the Optimus because he's coming off that injury. So I think I'm very much going to have a lot of stock in in him the season. Alright by the way, if you wonder about the Kyle Shanahan effect, and we're going to get into coaching changes. And some previous on that. Listen to this the Shanahan running backs twenty fifteen in Atlanta, seventh most fantasy points twenty sixteen in Atlanta. The most twenty seventeen last year was San Francisco without Derek McKinnon two years ago. Yes are two years ago eighth most fantasy points. So that was Carlos Carlos Carlos high. I it generally works out for Shanahan running back rotations, or you know, as was the case, and they had the thirteenth most fancy points last year despite only six rushing touchdowns. Yeah. That's bananas. Here's we we're getting a lot of Antonio Brown questions. What's the dream landing spot for Antonio Brown? Pittsburgh, where's the most realistic landing spot dream spot realistic spot? Let's let's take Pittsburgh out of your options might go because it's very well might be the most realistic landing spot. He's already landing there. He's already. He's already landed. He's he's been in Pittsburgh. Now, he's not relaying his site is sitting on the tarmac. He's trying to get out. But there's like near swimming. It takes off and he flies away from Pennsylvania longer. Look there were there was some talk this morning. I don't know if you get saw this the New England Patriots at the trade deadline last year. The most aggressive team trying to get to Beckham junior is a dream landing spot for Antonio Brown. Is it going to some place like New England? No, I here's here's the different train of thought. And you guys correct me if I'm wrong, there's two possible destinations for in Tonio Brown to me. There's put him on a great team. But then he's probably not the only guy then there's put him on a bad team where he's one hundred percent the guy, but you don't have as much trust. So you put him on a team like, you know, hypothetically, people might say New Orleans right dreams spot. You got Michael Thomas? Right. You got to two or three running backs to catch the football put him on a bad team. Right. And put them in Arizona, and you got Josh. Rosen problem. So what what's the actual dream? Is it Carolina with Cam notes funds? I haven't heard that. And I was literally just going to say Carolina loss Steve Smith back in the day. You know, where you got that hybrid car? I know they brought in DJ mortar be that. But if you have the chance to get into oneal Brown, I think Carolina would be one of those spots. We've brought up San Francisco before that certainly a great spies. They don't have an established number one. And they do have what they think is a premier quarterback my dream spot would be Arizona to trae. Josh Rosen for him straight up in the draft guy. Lamar I actually think I have a dream spot for I've got my pack. It's indianapolis. Okay. I'll take them in Indianapolis still have that he's not necessarily the guy with TY Hilton there. The thing is is to you. I held makes his Mark on sixty catches. He can he can make his Mark with sixty receptions. I think the combination of great quarterback ascending t. At ten and six, and then the opportunity in my opinion, he walk in and be the one. So that's where I'd go. I don't wanna if he signs in. I guess he's not going to be in the AFC north. They've already said that bribe he's not going to be on the patriots. They've already said that Oakland and then the. The say the other interesting one, I don't know if the fit makes sense, but the Philadelphia Eagles definitely need help at the wide receiver position with I believe Mike Wallace is a free agents. Yeah. And I'm like, I also on is great. But if Antonio Brown went there, but San Francisco you like them in San Francisco do with gross because grapple is good enough in college. Shanahan's offense can score points. So not bad Yahoos Matt Harmon who's been a part of the ultimate draft kit for years now, he puts out his reception perception content. He charts each of the individual pro receivers their strengths their weaknesses and rates them based on just what they're doing on the field. You know this. This is inconsequential of how good your quarterback is this. How good is the wide receiver sixteen hours ago? He tweeted out he said been charting Antonio Brown for reception perception this weekend, it's so wild or even talking about a hopeful contender trading for this type of talent. He's a total wizard open. All the time difference maker. Wherever he goes man, we could land in but Detroit while Matthew Stafford. No. Yeah. No. All right. No. Yeah. Please. Please don't I I don't want to because of the offense coordinator change. But we'll talk about that in a couple of episodes. All right. We've got time for a couple more. Where will fill up Lindsey be drafted it. This is from Brandon Hicks on YouTube. I think he'll be drafted late third. Yeah. Right around there Twitter. Brent curtis. Who is the better keeper for twenty nineteen and beyond enter Henry or OJ Howard Howard Howard for sure. Yeah. I agree. It's howard. Youtube the classy h check don't know how to pronounce that. What is your number one guy who is your number one guy for twenty nineteen talking? Everybody you talking rookies. Hey, man. I have the question is written who you dry. You've got the one on one. Who are you drafting today? I want to say it's Todd Gurley right now, I think it saquon. But those those doubts though, CG Henderson downs are creeping in. I was telling the guys this morning. I I have girly in our dynasty. There was a time at the end of November last year when I was offered David Johnson. Devante Freeman at twenty nineteen. I was twenty nine hundred second straight up for early and I had to say no because I was running towards the playoffs. I mean, you were planning to wiz no way. I could do it. Now. I look at that trade nickel, man. 'cause I. It's impossible. Not to have doubts your your stupid. If you don't have some sort of doubt. Now, how much weight you give it? That's your decision on whether you pick them, but you don't normally have elite in BP world beaters that all of a sudden disappear for a few games. So. I think we all as Todd Gurley fans. Right. We want news to come out that he had a hangnail that was real bad or something. You know, you wanna hear a reason beyond y'all? I just wasn't playing good. It's probably Barclay. And then the the Zeke is it's close. I'm very excited to see what happens out when when I wouldn't even project the full stat line who actually sits at number one. All right, fedora, launches almost over. Let's jump into another good receiver here. Well, we got the Dante Pettis autograph on the wall. But yesterday yesterday on pristine auctioned the deal of the day the Andre Hopkins signed Houston Texans, many helmet say witness went for seventy three dollars. He is the cleaning up. Yeah. He's the number one right now in terms of redraft wide receivers, I wide receiver off the board. You can go. Sign up at pristine auction dot com. That's PRI S T. I N E auction dot com. Let them know the fantasy football since you. And there are about done on to three hundred of these that go off every day. We just we give you one we give you a taste. We give you one of the sprinkles on top of the Sunday. We gotta go to the website for the Sunday. We'll give you two we got the pedestals for twenty nine bucks. So that was that's illegal. And we shouldn't admit that on the show. That's not right. All right. Thanks for tuning in and on Thursday ten thanks to remember based on this last year. You don't wanna miss it? Check us out on Twitter at the polish. Yeah. We'll see an ex time folk laying goodbye. Thank you. For listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on Twitter at the F F ballers.

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Ezekiel Elliot, Eli Manning, Josh Rosen and the NFL Preseason

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

1:53:28 hr | 1 year ago

Ezekiel Elliot, Eli Manning, Josh Rosen and the NFL Preseason

"It's the heart of fantasy football draft season and the fantasy football weekly podcast is here to make sure you dominate your draft so thoroughly you leave your opponents reconsidering considering several their life choices particularly playing fantasy football against you fantasy football weekly as the world's longest running fantasy sports show and it's now the podcast that crushes does your league with deep data dives and unique insights every weekend you can find fantasy football weekly on apple podcasts are on the i heart radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts hey thanks for listening to the podcast be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon pacific on fox sports radio n._f._s. One find your local station the hurt fox sports radio dot com or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to fox sports radio. It is a friday. We are absolutely repack. This is dr wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're alive in los angeles on iheartradio fox four twenty on f s one all sorts of interesting guests in fifteen minutes great coach for the kansas city chiefs. Andy reid stops by steve berlin. Today had those controversial virtual thoughts about andrew lock not necessarily controversial in my opinion many thought they were jason whitlock. Stop by the way <hes> by stops by jason mcintyre fire a joy taylor is joining got my cowboy colors on today. I am ready to go and leave my show with dallas talk. What better to lead the show with what better <hes> the dallas cowboys have become a very functional team now. They haven't won super bowls but i've been saying this for the last couple of years. There are a lot smarter than we think. Jerry sometimes has the ego in the vanity but if you look at their drafting over the last six or seven years oh my friends it has been unbelievable even when they make trades amari cooper. Oh my word that's good. They found their franchise quarterback in the fourth round. Dallas is a really well run football team. Most of the analytic sites say dallas has the first or second best roster in the n._f._l. Of under twenty five year old talent now sometimes they look like a little bit of a clown show because of all this and that and craziness but jason garrett steady drafting stephen jones steady offensive line line fantastic. This is an organization that looks at details okay. They find their quarterback in the fourth round. Their offensive line has been the best in the league details. Els anybody noticed something with the cowboys. Defense is interesting in the preseason. They've been dominating. They've been the third third best defense in the preseason last year. They were the sixth best defense in the n._f._l. And they haven't done it with easy. Fixes says in fact. I'm going to give you the last six years of the cowboys defensive ranks. This is fascinating last nineteenth seventeenth seventeenth fourteenth eight and seven. This is not a business organization. That's going for a quick fix through smart drafting. They have steadily. No other defense in the n._f._l. Has gone six straight years of solid improvement this defense by the way if you've watched the preseason late last year will be the best they've had details mader. I'm going to give the cowboys credit on this. I think one of the reasons they're playing hardball with zeke is they're looking at that defense and they're going. We don't have to be as great offensively as everybody thinks we can play. Tony pollard averaged four point six yards a carry football games with our defense. Here's another another interesting number. If you think the cowboys are smart and you think they pay attention to details. We know new england. Does we know new england always avoid a crisis before a crisis occurs. Here's the other thing about jerry. Jones zeke in the leverage. It is very very difficult unless you just throw a ton of money at it to go from bad to great in an area the first three games the cowboys play this year. They play bad run. Defenses giants washington miami miami miami was like thirty first what does that. I tell you if the cowboys are as smart as i think due to their drafting and drafting all about details. Nobody's drafted more good young players than dallas us even when they did a trade last year gave up a first round pick amari cooper they were seven and two once a marine dak worked together all their moves work. They know their defense. This is going to be their best defense ever. They know they face with a healthy offensive line still arguably the best in football they face lousy run defenses and they can go to and one zero three zero and tony polar going to average five yards a carry translation less leverage for zeke. I think they're smart. Jerry jones is a smart cookie. Think about this the n._f._l. Has thirty two billionaire owners actually mark davis thirty one of all those those billionaires. There's two billionaires that the rest of them listen to jerry jones and bob kraft. These guys didn't luck out into their success s. They didn't can bella check had a losing record in cleveland and bob kraft saw something he wasn't the hot coaching hire. He was a disaster with the media in cleveland. He had a losing record in cleveland. He bailed on the jet bella. Check a lot of people were done with ballot check. He was impossible to deal with cleveland. Go read the book about bella check. It was ugly at the end in cleveland. People don't wanna touch ballot. Check kraft sought. Adding dallas knows our defense. This year is stacked. It's the best it's been and for six straight years. It's been fantastic. Have you watched it in the preseason and i think they're looking at that schedule. Thinking we face bad run defenses. They're going to get zeke. They're gonna pay zeke but they're not paying them seventeen and a half million. I think this is a smart organization and jerry jones after the game last night address that he's ready. He's ready to play without him. Kentucky's entire expectation. We're putting together a team. I found would anticipate now and not having the training. They just gonna miss games. I just accept all right by the way i mentioned this yesterday. The dallas schedule has all sorts of soft spots and many vacations three rebuilding teams to start soft with two new york rebuilding teams in the by in the middle the rams at home late ten days to prep and the bills on a short week. I think jerry smart. I think they know at least for the first month the numbers add up they can win and run the ball effectively without zeke giving them leverage. Let me shift to this. Daniel jones once again in the preseason. Last night looked amazing. I'm going to give you daniel jones preseason numbers. They're almost cartoonish. They're like high school. He completed eighty five percent of his throws twenty nine of thirty four four hundred fifteen yards to u._t.'s. No picks pat shurmur. We don't know pat shurmur a good head coach but with case keenum eli manning nick foles and sam bradford heard all four have had significant statistical elevation under pat shurmur but i think and this is my belief that pat shurmur and john mara no after that bench eli debacle with ben mcadoo so they had to change the narrative and they knew when they drafted daniel jones there was going to be a little plan and i'm going to give you the three steps to it the first thing they did is they released a video of daniel jones in camp. Do you remember that slow. Motion perfect throws all all on target came out all of a sudden. It was being reported only a handful of people. Oh actually no media there. He was just unbelievable. It was like a the glossy video. Remember that video came. People were just saying oh my word daniel just the second thing that came out c._b._s. Sports in may the brakes a story. Eli manning does not look good who he threw a bunch of interceptions today that conveniently gently was leaked to the press and then in the preseason this year and this is to take nothing away from daniel jones. I don't know if you noticed noticed this but most good teams do not play their offensive lineman in preseason the cross town jets who don't even have a great offensive. They haven't played their offensive line starters the new york giants. Have you noticed this how much they've played their offensive line. Starters allies played twenty twenty eight snaps. That's it the offensive line is played sixty. The starters make sure daniel joan succeeds in the preseason why because when you're one in four or two and five you have now created momentum's mental within the media and the fans that when the suggestion to bench ally manning comes out w._f._a._n. Radio in new york gives gotta be honest. Guys guy was unbelievable and breezy eason. It matters narratives matter optics matter the the giants behind the scenes released video of daniel jones being perfect then a story leaks to c._b._s. Allies really struggling. They play their offensive line starters through the preseason double. What most teams do to protect daniel jones. They give him good timing routes things he'll do well. I mean folks eighty eighty five percent completion rate. These are throws quarterbacks make in their sleep. They have planted all of this knowing. It's it's coming soon. It's a behind the scenes plant by the way pro football focus dot com k._f. Dot com sam munson came on our show this week he said listen listen if you really look at the film daniel jones's not tearing it up. It's almost if the organization shen is grooving. His stats for the replacement eight weeks from now interesting even is preseason. Great hasn't been quite as good as i think the general all perception of his play has been when you really break it down. Throw by throw and you know. There's a bad fumble in there that we charged him. That won't show up in the box score that kind kind of thing. He hasn't been quite as spectacular as i think. A lot of people are thinking but ultimately for the giants. You've got to ask yourself. What are you losing by starting. Daniel jones p._f. Wasn't in love with daniel jones as a prospect but right now we'd be asking the question of why not start in week one but again when you really look at the play play. The numbers are better than reality. I think the giants have a plan. I think it's smart. I think eli is mostly. A shot fighter elevated. It'd last year by pat. Shurmur who's elevated case keenum and sam bradford many quarterbacks so that's where we stand today. Andy reid is around the corner a kansas city chiefs coach. We are packed today. I think there's a couple of things happening in the n._f._l. I talk about new england always being kind of a step ahead of the league anybody not notice i saw last night. They're doing something at the end of last year and now they are changing their offense and by the way they were the first team to go to the titan and the n._f._l. Dual tied ends attack. The middle of the field new england now is doing something and the rest of the league is not doing it as much very interesting. I hope view noticed it and if you notice that you also notice their personnel acquisitions in the last draft until today that's coming up be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio one and the iheartradio app <music> folks is chris broussard and i am here with my partner rob parker and together. We are the odd couple that's right. Join kristen me every day it gives you. The hottest feistiest sports takes that you won't hear anywhere else and for the record rob parker is the one i'm the more reasonable what so listen to the couple with chris bruce art and rob parker on apple podcast bore the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts if you look at all the preseason games i know a lot of people are gonna take a lot out of preseason. You have to take something at a preseason. Dak act prescott is he popped remember his first game in los angeles and we were all like i was a skeptic. I was like it's preseason. I learned my lesson. Preseason means something thing daniel jones although i don't think he'll complete eighty five percent of his throws in the n._f._l. Appears to be good enough at this point in ally manning's career to play and give you at least what eli manning does. The giants do have upgraded offensive line. They have a superstar running back. Pat shurmur is a very good offensive coach. I don't know if their defense is good enough. I don't think their defense is good enough in their division to compete with philadelphia in dallas alice but of the two or three things i've noticed in preseason might take away his daniel jones is now good enough to put in behind eli manning and you feel confident he can at least give you an easy lie level of play with better legs better athletic ability and i think at this point more upside. That's the thing i noticed. The second thing i noticed in the preseason pittsburgh has upgraded their defense significantly devin bush. Maybe the steal of the draft. Maybe the best player in the draft linebacker for michigan. He's been amazing. They went and got a starting corner from kansas city steve nelson they've they've gone from af they addressed it in the draft my second thing i've noticed in this preseason and again this stuff some of it matters pittsburgh looks focused. They've been hearing all year that cleveland's going to dominate the division. Antonio brown is out. James washington has been as good as any young receiver in the n._f._l. Fell so that's another takeaway. I think pittsburgh looks better defensively and for the record they lead the n._f._l. I believe or the a._f._c. last year in sacks so it's not right like they didn't have talent so these are the two big takeaways for me in the preseason. Giants have a quarterback now to replace eli. He is at at least as good as eli with pat shurmur as the coordinator with much higher upside at this point in the career. He's an athlete. He can move better than eli and the steelers defense is is absolutely for real. There's a couple other individual things. I've seen individual players but so far those two things that jump out to me. I don't think you can take a a ton from it. I i will say this about new. England is that new england last year and this is what the patriots have done very very well. They a step ahead of the league on little alterations seeing a crisis before it becomes one seeing a trend before it becomes one last year new england was eleven eleven and one when they one time of possession and tom brady has aged. Did you notice what they did in the playoffs last year. What was their take possession against the chargers thirty minutes chiefs forty four minutes rams thirty three what they're doing. Did you notice their off season acquisitions <music> of those fast receivers in the draft they went and got the physical one that can block nikiel harry of all the receivers in free agency demarcus thomas big it can block. They made a real effort to bring back. Josh gordon very strong can block. They didn't really need a running back back but they went and drafted one from alabama not a clever back not to make him this guy of physical running back. They just also also upgraded their offensive line with a trade. Are you watching what new england's doing and you started seeing it. At the end of last year they are are moving back to a power football team look at their time possession in the playoffs. They see that the forty touchdown years those are gone from tom. Brady the thirty plus touchdown years are probably gone from tom brady so they are smartly becoming a time of possession ashen power offense look at their acquisitions a power alabama running back and they didn't really need them. The keel harry the physical local receiver josh gordon tomorrow. Thomas gone are the small guys outside of element big physical receivers. There's backs from the s._e._c. That can hit the whole hit. It hard drag you down. They are changing their m._o. In new england blend you watch their personnel and you watch what they're doing in the preseason and late last year all right joy with news heard on the news. This is the third line news while we finally have our answer dolphins. Quarterback competition is over head coach buying floors as announced yesterday that ryan and fitz patrick. We'll be the week one starter against the ravens. It's patrick has been the front runner all season. <hes> ops preseason bud flora's said rosen's strong training camp has made it a tough decision. I think he's improved greatly over the course of training camp plant quarterback in this league. There's to take take some times. He he's an offensive. I think he'll get there. I do. I really do about competition stops. I mean a a push in every single day for him to get better and he doesn't get better all hopefully surpassing us on point. I think it's only time that this team is mine but <hes> until then i'm going to be used supportive back into the canon and like i said push him every single that california cool isn't he said this. He reminds me so much of aaron. Rodgers looks like anyone say because then. I'm going to be the person's comparing joshua but he does remind you seven day. Look they sound. They're political. They're upfront. They make us a little uncomfortable. I don't think every team's gonna love him. I told you this is now. I think garron obviously as an armed talent but when when the draft came out didn't we all say rosen was the one thrower of the football of the five. I quarterbacks who was going to be the great arm guy. He looks. It's like he does and listen. I'm a rosen fan. I want rose into the star so i i'm saying in part of rosen i get it. They don't feel like he's ready yet fine. They don't have anything to lose. I guess i four games are no day at the beach. Either i think that's probably with the mentality was they don't want to go into the season and he is oh and four and then they have to go to fitzpatrick because that you can't start a guy like rosen and given the team and then sit him and then reignite his confidence again what that saying i can't unsee something right like if he goes on for their schedules brutal start against password they face like four great pass rushes if erosions on his back. You can't unsee right so give fitzpatrick verse four game see how it goes. He's going to be the starter by the end of the season. I'm sure how about this how many starting quarterbacks miami-dade miami-dade think that they've had since marino retired in nineteen ninety nine. It's it's brown's level bad well because they've had some injuries i would say seventeen twenty god i mean that's my team in chicago for a while had that hey listen denver found i'm jake plumber after elway and he was always better than people give him credit for man when you have these iconic dudes do follows the dude we know that but sometimes been hanging out with the dude for awhile like aaron rodgers and then jimmy garoppolo. You've got traded to san francisco. Oh yeah he falls blaine gabbert. You know what i mean like. I know i always find that. It's better to doing so situation where you have no expectations and then you over achieve then you have a bar. That's been set for you. Practically we unreachable an all time out liar that you have to overcome who wants to be the guy replaces. Tom brady play howard stern's first guy after him dead then you replace who's the guy that replaced him. It was the van halen singer david lee roth then you wanna come in and replace david lee roth who did radio and bombed then you won't be compared to howard you'll be compared to david lee roth and it'd be like guys fantastic. That's well. That's not the situation for patrika rosen but <hes> we'll see this season goes but now we have our answer so caused football's well number. One team clemson kicked off their season last night. They took down georgia tech with a huge fifty. Two to fourteen win current heisman favorite quarterback trevor lawrence at a decent performance mansi went thirteen for twenty three with one hundred sixty eight yards one touchdown and two interceptions but the true star of the game was running back travis at teen who we had a career high two hundred and five yards on twelve carries and three touchdowns a career high two hundred and five small gary. It's just an absurd number. They are so oh good offensively first of all they have all american running back in all american receiver the best quarterback n._f._l. Guys on the offensive line now their defense will not be as good as as last year but offensively this has the potential to be the best offensive college team in the history of the sport and i think it will be the best since those reggie bush lyndale wight matt liner n._f._l. Receivers this offense is just n._f._l. Talent everywhere. I mean those numbers are absurd. Two hundred and five yards on twelve twelve carries. It's silly now did a ninety yard touchdown run in the first quarter which titusville record and he tied his personal record three-touchdown away julia tonight georgia tech mix ballgames georgia tech's done a doll georgia tech surreal team that goes to bowl games the dominant teams in college football our justice a level above everyone else. We know that as a hold it seem i'm still going to put the hurricanes as the best all around 'cause football team of all time the most n._f._l. Talent probably i've definitely up there. I mean if you look at their their bench. It's butch davis recruited them handed him. The larry coker and they're like twenty four n._f._l. Ridiculous finally finally international n._f._l. Games have been gaining gaining popularity over the last few years but roger goodell knows that the demand for more games outside the u._s. May be growing faster than we can handle right now. He said the reality is the demand for playing those games as greater than we have in the inventory but we're we're trying to do is is it's a combination of the media the events themselves and our partnerships. I've no doubt fan base in the commercial opportunity. Is there for a franchise abroad. Can we were are thirty. Two teams can compete at a competitive level. That's critical. There are four london games and one game in mexico city scheduled for the season. If you remember the rams chiefs game lewis scheduled to mexico city year was was moved due to poor field conditions in that ended up being an an incredible gain game season thrown but preseason game in winnipeg this year for the packers raiders did not go so well. They had to play on an eighty a yard field. That was brutal traditionally. These international games are greats showcases for the n._f._l. They're done well there. The huge events and uh-huh well attended and celebrate which is why there's more of a demand for them. I don't love them. It's weird times. It feels like it's a huge pain for franchises. They lose a home game against it. It's not the situation. I think for the players in the team i get it's great for the sport because or growing a internationally but i think four games in london and one in mexico city is isn't is enough for now. Can i do an unpopular thing. I'll have an unpopular opinion on n._f._l. Franchises are not starbucks. You can't put them in beijing in singapore professional athletes here right so you can't put a team in europe because most players don't wanna live there and it would be traveled as advantage i would if you're asking me if there was one international team i would put it in toronto. We have a major league baseball team an n._b._a. Team it's a very high end too sophisticated north american city. I love vancouver but geographically is too far away. Toronto could play the buffaloes to new england's. The baltimore's philly's the pittsburgh in mexico city. <hes> you know there's issues there. With the air quality. There are sometimes a safety concerns but these football teams. They're not like mcdonald's or starbucks well. That's what roger goodell saying. You have to keep the quality of the product at the same level and the more that you expand. It's harder to to do that. Why not do it with canada in toronto. Toronto city makes the most sense if you're going to expand internationally because it's still in the americas because travel is the main concern yes of course i mean listen. I if i just don't think it's fair to put a team in dusseldorf. Every road trip would be daunting thing. I mean listen. If you're flying to toronto or buffalo you just move the plane. The steering will the cockpit a little laugh any land and concede buffalo in their toronto to me. He makes so much sense and for all. The colli left toronto toronto's in the n._f._l. You only play eight home games. I think players in the n._f._l. Would be much more willing to live in toronto during the season in an n._b._a. Guy that and it's a cold weather sport so it's not like it's a situation where all so called like gotta gotta team in chicago at toronto's money that you make a dome they have. I just think toronto's a natural fit joy with the news well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie and you re by the way is gonna join us next hour at fifteen minutes after i i just i if you're going to go international. We've got a city out of the united states that his is working. It's called toronto in toronto is in football season where you only have eight home games. You're not asking the players to live there for nine months these n._b._a. Seasons can't starts in early october and if you make the playoffs your plan till june so so i i think toronto is an automatic and it's nothing against mexico city and occasional game but i sound like an old timer on that one but yeah no it does it makes perfect sense. That's why london is great events. It's beautiful. It looks like rain but it's an event and it's become. I can't imagine imagine any team enjoys being a part of that schedule like yes. It's a great trip and i'm sure it's fun but yes football is. It makes more sense to to keep it in the area okay so here. I've been in very high on the pittsburgh steelers not just because they're moving out of the drama. It's not just that i think they are there. I just i said listen. They draft receivers better than anybody. In this sport they draft linebackers. They needed a linebacker and a receiver and from what i can tell the last two years. They've got a home run and james washington. They got homerun in devon bush and i also like they got rid of the noise. Here's something else. I like big ben. If you recall during the off season invited players back to his summer home home on a lake he had done that early in his career then he stopped doing it. He was sort of above the rest of the team. That's had some issues surface with teammates right. He's is not one of us big ben this off season invited players skill players back to his lake place back to being one of the guys which by the way brady maybe worth nine hundred million dollars but what a what does every rookie say when they go to new england camp. Tom brady comes up and goes hi. I'm tom brady. Tom thomas trying to connect. Here's where ben is disconnecting and i like it. He has decided he will no longer do his monday. Radio hit for ninety three point seven in pittsburgh the fan he did a morning radio hit. It is not built for his personality. Tom is very much <hes> diplomatic. He almost sounds like a seasoned isn't senator on the radio. He is sending a coach's message. A tom. Brady never gets in trouble on his longtime boston. I in morning radio hit. He puts out fires ban on his morning. Radio hit starts them. Ben is looser. He's not as i would say as refined. He's gotten better by the way but he tends to be a little opinionated a little bit of a fire starter he can be a little passive aggressive implant little seeds that people figure out oh you're. You're taking a shot at a ride receiver at this point. There's no win in these radio appearances for big ben. A big part of football is is sort of figuring figuring out what your weaknesses are. That's a big part of football like we're not good at this. How do we hide this because not everybody with a salary cap. You can't be great at everything you you can't new england. Secondary is great. Their pass rush is spotty this year at tight end. They don't bring much to the table wide receiver running back. They're very good. You can't be graded everything that nobody's going to be the nineteen seventy five pittsburgh steelers where they had hall of famers that every position they had no weakness and i watched them no weakness the san francisco forty niners. There's no weakness. The dallas cowboys jimmy johnson. Those teams did not have a weakness teams now all have a whole because of the hard cap and so one of pittsburgh's pittsburgh's issues and this sounds weird but has been focused. They've been talented. We've done this really talented and unfocused thing for five years. Let's give the really talented in focusing. Try for just one year and see if it works big bands like i'm out of the radio business. This is smart. Could this is really smart brady's. Monday appearance is a senatorial. It's very refined. Tom's got a super bottle of life. He he goes to fashion fashion shows he is. Tom is really good doing derek. Jeeter talking and saying absolutely nothing big benza looser opinionated personality tad bit passive aggressive like aaron rodgers. Sometimes he's just not perfect in front of a mike. He drops things errands done this by the way it's not a smart thing errands plenty smart. He'll go on. These radio shows plant a little seed. I would say tom's more corporate. Ben and aaron rodgers are more entrepreneurial. They're going to own their own business <music>. Tom's a little more corporate a little more ibm so once again. I think this is pittsburgh seeing a weakness getting into the focus business. I expect great great things. This year from the pittsburgh steelers coming up jerry jones on the z. Contract got a theory on this why he's being tough on zeke. It's not not just the off. The field stuff. Jerry has a history. He does have a history and his history is becoming coming more cemented on what he likes that is coming up plus. My thoughts on chip kelly look like a disaster last night. I don't think it is and i'll defend him. That's coming up. Be sure you're to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific my name is danny shapiro. I'm the host of family secrets a podcast. Oh cast about the secrets kept from us secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Secret is more than just a podcast audio experience experience. It's also a community a place for people to share powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope in season two we hear from a woman woman whose father's descent into dementia revealed his deepest darkest secrets and we hear from a man who kept his wife's terminal illness a secret to protect their children listen to season to a family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts you will aku stop by hall hall of famer. Eric dickerson led the n._f._l. Rushing four times eight all-time n._f._l. Rushing leader zeke is holding out jerry's punishing them a little a bit by the way <hes> melvin gordon by the way is also just one year out <hes> melvin. Gordon's promise have good backup running back for the l._a. Charger's going and let's be for real you like running back out. There should get paid they do. They do the dirty work. We could hit play real football real football not that pitty pets it. Is i want to talk. Marshall faulk said something. I guess he went down to kabo talk zeke and he said he's in great shape but he hasn't gotten hit and there's this feeling i join. I've talked about this with levian bell. There is something to get to getting hit right like it does matter it matters a lot. I mean you have to get hit. I mean i had a forty seven. They hold out with the rams and when i came back i had two days of practice but you need need to get hit. I mean because when you forget that i hit is almost like getting slapped like a shot because you haven't had in a while. You know the pushing in the pulling. I mean you have to have that <hes>. I think the big thing is the cowboys like to run the football. You know can they are. They gonna try to ease into it. Are they going to throw him right back in and get right back at it. You know when i came back. After two days of practice i cared about thirty one times. Oh my lord and i still had one hundred fifty dollars but had a broke broke hand and heard my a hamstring so you're you. You had all the talent but you weren't physically ready for. I was not ready for it. I mean it. It does take it takes some time. Even though you think in practice you don't when they'd in order to hit in practice now but you still have to get the running the pushing the pulling the block and you know all those muscles have to get stressed out. You get used to getting almost like you have to reset your body to to get hit again. Yeah bill polian and you make a good point practice. They don't hit as much so the gap between practice and the games is greater than it's ever been bill polian the old g._m. Hall of famer used to tell me three weeks hitting and if you get to to you will not tackle well early in the season he goes. You're tackling gets worse and you're fumbling. Ling goes up like guys fumble more when they're not you wash it in college football. These first couple of weeks and teams don't tackle very well. They don't they don't know the non so let's talk about the andrew luck situation steve berlin's on later. The initial reaction is hey. No criticism of andrew luck over the course of the last week. Story comes out that chris ballard the g._m. And jim irsay tried to talk into just going on the i r rate week. You're allowed to do that now. Now in your day i ours out for the year now the n._f._l. Allows guys to go on the i. r. and just sit around and practice. It are there. Is there anything about quitting two weeks out. There's a quarterback that does bother you know not not look this is physicist sports a physical sport and you know what that he said one thing that really resonated with me when he says says i'm done mentally a mentally burnt and and i get it because people think is just about the football the physicality of it that is a mentally draining sport sport it really is i mean he he gave his all to indianapolis and in another thing is is you said he could sit out and you know and they should still pay them. I gotta you gotta commend him man and says you know i'm not gonna take this thirty million dollars just to sit out. I can't do that. I mean that's a very honorable guy. I mean mostly thirty million. I declare oh i'm cool with that. How how take that deal all day so for him. I think in any other job you wanna retire no big deal but if it's sports all you give up all this you got you have life after football football. That's what people don't realize they will not. They don't they don't know the pains in the physicality and the headaches and the non sleep. You don't have when you retire. They're not. They're your wife your mother other your father. They see all that stuff. The fans don't so go how your career was eleven years right. So when physically did you sense in your career. Pain was a bigger discussion. The joy was leaving about what year in eleven years you know what i can say some of the ajoy left me when i left the rams. I mean okay. I'll say this is strictly a business. I mean after like five years. This is a strictly business now shows itself for you. At at least mentally was it wasn't planned football mannerism kind of when i first started playing football the first couple of years that the rams i love everything about football the smell of it i hear i i say we all say the same thing. I would have played for free if somebody would have paid all my bills because that's how much you love it. You just love everything about it. Then all of a sudden you see the ugly decide on the business side and that's what it is but <hes> after m._s._a. By by the year seven eight i'm like man. I'm you don't you don't heal as quick you start. You start hurting a little bit. More is not easy to get up. That's what i hear from players. It's it's the it's the body doesn't bounce back so it does not i won't forget we played the cleveland browns in one thousand nine hundred forty year the two thousand yards and i would go out every game so after every game we go to red onion after every game i care if the ball thirty one thirty one or thirty two times and that defense beat me up badly i mean we won i had i had i had a hundred and two yards on thirty. It's like thirty seven cares and it was like oh. I can't go out i was i was too and i was only twenty. I think twenty three years old so you know your body. It just doesn't bounce back all the time. I was a waiter at the red onion. They're looking for you the whole you never i'll give you the right okay so daniel jones preseason. It means something you can't tell me means nothing because i saw dak come to los angeles play against the rams as a rookie and preseason. We all went a guy and he's been very good since so it means something daniel jones completes eighty-three percent of throws that means something come on it means something i mean look the giants are going to have to eventually move evolve. Ally i mean is it. It's daniel jones the guy he could be. He has to be don't he'll probably be the guy i think. If if you start with him you have to stick with him you. If it's a bad season you gotta just stick with him because that's how football is now you know when i came in the league in gaza for me. This late set a quarterback but three or four years no question no question about it but now they can't because you know the salaries situation. Also you know you get a number six pick. You're paying money paying him so he's gonna play. I think he's gonna play. I tell the story when i was a kid. I went to college at eastern washington university. The sea hawks camp. There and eugene robinson was from colgate and i got i got the media guide as a college student and number for forty. One was blowing people up. I'm like colgate. Eugene robinson ended up having a great career so this idea preseason means nothing. Go back to your career. Was there ever a guy you saw you never heard of him and he was from nowhere and he hit in pre. See any all went oh lord. We got ourselves a player because you're a star out of college. Yeah i mean i. I think i can think of one guy i was at the colts. We got a guy named jeff arrived from <hes> southern mississippi and <hes> man. Oh miss ole miss ole miss this and he was physical. I mean very physical. I mean y'all can't block me yucca jeffers strong but right now. I should tell him this. I said jeff stop running into uh fool. Spiegel hurt yourself. I said look you and our team okay. Let's see what about the other team so so now when i see jimmy is hands of really really messed up fingers shoulder i mean he got so many problems beat up eric you say man. I wish i would have listened to you. I because i mean that's what it is. I mean you practice some guys. You know you just see it right away. You just see how good they are going to be in this two jeff. Was that guy <hes> eric dickerson hall. All of famer led the n._f._l. In rushing four times andy reid of the chiefs will be joining us at the <hes> start of next hour. Have yourself a great weekend our gray weekend all right all right all right right folks. Don't go anywhere our two next. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen live. I four on demand. Whenever you like <hes> here we go hour. Two andy reid in fifteen minutes plus jason whitlock this hour. This is the heard wherever you may be however you may be listening. We are live in los angeles on iheartradio fox sports radio and s. one wanna thank eric dickerson for just jumping in last fifteen minutes. That was great stuff. Enjoy taylor is joining me on a friday n._f._l. Preseason over yes over official here. Now we ready now. We go into college football where <hes> you've got about four games oregon. Auburn auburn is the biggie. That's the big showcase game. I told you yesterday i think auburn is going to win that game close. <hes> listen to be a billionaire. Are you know maybe maybe i'm being too cynical here but you've gotta. You've gotta be a little self absorbed. You have to step on people occasionally. <hes> some of its market timing not every billionaires a bad person. They philanthropic millions of dollars but you know these n._f._l. Owners they like themselves a little bit and they liked most of them like to get a little love and a little acknowledgment and there's nothing wrong with that and so you know i look at all these dallas cowboy holdouts and jerry jones likes to tell a good story. He's kind of legendary at this jerry. You saw any sign jalen smith. He just took over the press conference. Jerry is a legendary storyteller. He'll show up to a bar in dallas nobu in malibu during training camp and jerry holds court and so. I want you to think about that story telling jerry has also heavily promoted tony romo to c._b._s. Troy aikman of fox michael irvin to the n._f._l. Network all three of those guys have one thing in common. They're all great storytellers. Troy aikman waxes poetic. Oh attic michael irvin tells hysterically funny stories tony romo so jerry who loves a great story has spotted through the years his storytellers and pushed him on the air airtel more cowboys stories. He's being very rough on zeke of all these players out here that are dealing with contract holdouts zeke's the one dominant dominant star player and he that's the one jerry is really stubborn on because maybe it because jerry likes a good story or at least a story that makes jerry look good so the first player they signed is is demarcus lawrence demarcus lawrence too story story that makes jerry look good. He's a first round talent. They got him in the second round. He overachieved makes jerry dallas. Stephen look very good. They signed him up. Jalen smith is the next story. Jerry took a big risk. Jerry's oil maverick jalen smith gets hurt. People passed on him jerry rolls. The dice signs range jalen smith sits out a year comes back amazing jerry signs early why it's a good story and it makes jerry. Look good then amari cooper. They trade a first round pick. I remember the day that happened. I'm like i like that move. I thought everybody would like it. It got got major pushback. Amari cooper had a bad last year. Jerry's made it a point. We're gonna pay a mario cooper. Why because the story looks good. Jerry took a risk risk demarcus lawrence. He took a risk on dak. Prescott is a good story. Jerry found his quarterback in the fourth round good story for jerry jerry gary linebacker late in vanda rash eight man football when he got drafted in the first round people like i don't know eight man football rural idaho the whole look at all the players whose contracts are coming up. They're all either really good stories. Jerry the great storyteller or their stories this make dallas jerry stephen. Look good the brand look good. Now we go to zeke well. Everybody newseek was gonna go. Hi and zeke has has not been a great story. Zeke has had problems with women. There's allegations. There's judicial issues. Zeke was an easy draft pick and he has not been a good story story and he's not been good for the brand so jerry the legendary storyteller who love stories people who tell them and stories that look good being being told about dallas he gonna make zeke pay in kabul not good for the brand holding out two years early not good for the brand didn't show up at camp not good for the brand judicial legal issues off the field not good for the brand. I mean jerry could pay zeke right now. Is he. Punishing him because you know everybody says cherry pays his players but older jerry moved off dez bryant older jerry is looking for good stories stories that sell the brand are good for the organization are good for his daughter charlotte. His son steven good going forward as he hands the organization off. Maybe i'm reaching but he's not budging on this zeke thing according to clarence hill yesterday they are miles apart. Zeke and jerry are not close. Okay just wanna remind everybody that so one of the things that happens in the new current ecosystem of the media is that a story gets going and becomes an avalanche. You just can't stop when i was a kid growing up. There'd be a story in the newspaper. When i was a kid growing up. There was no talk radio. There was no internet. There was no twitter. There was no facebook. Stories didn't gain this massive momentum all mental. You'd hear a story and then you had to wait for the newspaper to have the story the next day you'd read the story and talk about it at the barbershop. You talk about it at the cafe. Eh talk about it at school. Now stories get a life of their own. They don't even have to be true and they just they just become massive stories. There's historian football now that chip kelly doesn't know what he's doing and it's like oh so nobody's gonna actually refute this so that first job chip kelly we had was at new hampshire seven straight years they average over four hundred yards a game new hampshire doesn't do that. His first job raging success he goes to oregon. I don't know if you ever for paid attention to this but in the history of college football nobody is ever taken over a program in a state that has no high school talent oregon's got less than five elite high school players a year and he went forty six and seven and thirty three and three in the pack twelve. He left because he got bored. It's the greatest power five story. Nobody's nobody's ever gone to a state without great highschool talent and dominated any major conference. He then goes to the n._f._l. Where where he makes nick foles an m._v._p. Candidate twenty seven touchdowns two picks. He goes ten and six ten and six with backup quarterbacks. Nobody he does that in the n._f._l. Ballot check couldn't in the n._f._l. Without quarterback bella could not win the n._f._l. Without a star quarterback he goes ten and six ten and six his overall record in philadelphia five five games over five hundred sabin disaster in the n._f._l. Spurrier disaster in the n._f._l. Pete carroll fire twice spellcheck fired so as i three jobs are big success absurd historic success and marginal success then he goes to san francisco and it's a hot mess first year of the owner turns on him jim. Tom soula left nothing. No momentum had to rebuild his staff. He later admits. I should have never taken it. Bland blaine gabbert says quarterback. It's just a hot mess so four jobs into his career. It's big success historic success marginal success hot mess listen. I've been in this business thirty years. I had a hot mess stop. It was called tampa. You're not gonna go linear. Tom hanks had bad movies. Marlon brando had six stinkers. Nobody goes by the way nick sabin mess seve's warriors got a mess so now he takes over u._c._l._a. Last night and they lose it took daboh sweeney four years at clemson clemson's. It's not an academic power u._c._l._a. Is clemson's all about football u._c._l._a. Is all about their medical center. Their basketball team their international national studies. U._c._l._a.'s not a football school. He took over a program last year played eighteen true freshmen now. The team is all freshmen and sophomores. He blew out the staff. He blew out the the systems. He's playing kids last year when they beat u._s._c. had fifty four players on scholarship in eighteen freshman human and beat a team juniors everywhere the bottom line folks. This is a narrative if he's a fraud than ninety nine percent of view listening or watching me your frauds this guy one at new hampshire one at oregon actually one in the n._f._l. Had a hot mess oregon's not dabo sweeney lost sixteen games in three years at clemson clemson's of football school every booster at clemson's lineup with football. The two boosters u._c._l._a. has one's a basketball guy wants a football guy. It's a basketball school. It's an academic power. It's an international university. One hundred thousand kids a year apply to notre dame to u._c._l._a. u._c._l._a. It's the league that's more than harvard so this is not an easy place to win. Tell me the last time u._c._l._a. was dominant in football. I can't think of it either troy aikman he'd been out of the sport n._f._l. Like what how fifteen twenty years so this idea that chip kelly has been if chip kelly as a fraud look at your life and career in the mirror mutt that my career's total fraud because i haven't had that much success yes u._c._l._a. Loss last night you gotta give these guys four years at non football schools gave dabble for at clemson and he didn't really pop until you're like five take a deep breath. We live in a time now where stories become reality when they're just factually not true. Andy reid around the corner chiefs coach. It's the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio f s one and the iheartradio radio app. Hey it's r._j. Bell host of these straight outta vegas podcasts joining along with the vegas pros who know as we give you the vegas perspective on the biggest stories of the day sports bettors listened for the money sports fans listen to no more than their bodies. We deliver the vegas truth to you and we do it every single day. That's that's my personal. Promise iheartradio is number one for podcast and it's easy to see why fine straight out of vegas with r._j. Bell on the iheartradio app or wherever you get if your podcast he's got one hundred ninety five wins in the n._f._l. Seven all time seventh entering his twenty first season as head coach. He's the one guy that's given ballot. Check fit through the years. The city of denver is given ballot. Check problems and andy reid is given bill belichick problems and <hes> and he's one of my friends and one of the guys i listened to and <hes> makes me think about football and he's joining us now. You know it's interesting. The last football memory i have of the chief says that new england game and anti when you draft when you acquire free agents. Are you building now for teams like new england because with you mahomes homes your your personnel general manager. You've you're not going to be bad anytime soon when you build in the off season. Who are you building against. What are are you building four. You build a to win your division. You build a be the best and then you pick out who the best is and you evaluate <hes> what they've got their strengths and weaknesses but you do that with every team so your personnel department department they give every team every player grade and they have a system where they say okay. This team here has more blue players than <hes> than the other team and this is what we need. We need to increase in this area on our football team. When you look at certain positions in this league yesterday i counted down twenty four running backs acts that i consider to be elite running back but yet teams struggled to find a kicker. There are positions that are harder to fill. I look at your offense a personnel andy and i wonder is this the most talent offensively you've ever had in your career. I think if you go by position i it would be <hes> as a collective group i have if i had somebody that's more talented at one spot and <hes> then i do here yeah. I probably did but it's collectively. I think it's a there's a pretty regroup andy when you have somebody as gifted as patrick mahomes there is something called paralysis by analysis there is there are instances instances of over coaching in all sports. What's the balance between leading patrick at little and then being within the system. Don't mess him up calling. Let them just let his personality show <hes> you start messing with that part of his game and you got a problem and so well i've learned that with brenton donovan and and and michael vick they all put their own stamp on it and their own personality tonelli shows through through the offense and and you go different places with the office is one of the great things is you have flexibility within the offense to do different things and man you play later strengthening cut him loose and let them go. Is there an audible system. Are there things now that he is entering another year so he sits for a year then he plays for a year now. Now it's year three. Are you adding more to the playbook. Are you allowing more audibles. Where will he be this year emotionally intellectually maybe that he wasn't wasn't eighteen months ago. Well one of the smartest players coaches alex smith and i thought when alex leftists that <hes> we might have to back up an edge didn't have to do that. We just kept adding and adding and then and then the kid the kid wants it. I mean he. He wants you to give them stuff to make them. I'm even better than what he is now so <hes> i if you say an area that he's gotten better he's been. He's been checking since he was here. He just picked picked up for alex left off and <hes> we. I don't worry much about that. He's got his aptitude is topnotch. <hes> <hes> he's been blessed with a beautiful mind and so <hes> and then a puts that together with that athletic billion that great vision that you need you know andy. It's a hard cap tap league so you gotta make tough choices. We just watch andrew luck retire. He got beat up in the first three years. You know you have always been able to elevate talent offensively offensively. How valuable in terms of the cap is your offensive line knowing that you have an asset and patrick mahomes that many consider the best quarterback asset that for the next twelve years well. You know how i feel about this. I'm i believe in that you take care of the bigs both sides of the ball and it's no more evident than when you get in the playoffs <hes> those guys <hes> start. That's their time to shine but you gotta take care of your quarterback and the guys up front are very very very important of if you don't have those guys run game in the past game <hes> they're not gonna work. How painful was the loss to new england. It's it it was so close to are the losses harder now. Were they harder in the thirties. Was that a tough one for you well. Yes you want it to be tough. I mean that's <hes> you spent a lotta time doing it. I i wanted to be tough on the players. We young football team and so what a great experience to get in there and learn earn and and see what it is you sit. Here's a coach and you say listen. The further you go in the playoffs the tougher it gets the faster. The game is <hes> and so <hes> do you experience it. <hes> you know firsthand. It's you can't quite quantify exactly how that goes but i think you know i i i look at it a very valuable lesson and teams historically start very hot in september and i've talked to coaches and scouts. What about this and they're like annie's a great play designer. He'll bring wrinkles in and he can humiliate you if you're not ready. Is there when you look at the season now at sixteen games. Are there things you'll hide. Were you throw it all out. There and experiment is september football different than say november december football all the way your art type the way you build it. You know we do call and we try to utilize the system that we're in. We have these three phases in the off season. We try to load players up with new thoughts plays. We've we've put him on a <hes> put them in our computer and on a big old sheet of paper that we've got and then we work on those training camp and then we bank and so you've got enough plays there to get you through the season and there's enough new things things new little wrinkles that on that sheet that you can pull from or draw from throughout the throughout the year yeah andy reid is joining us twenty first. I season one hundred ninety five win seven most of all time andy i the n._b._a. Is very star-driven league the n._f._l. Has always been about the trenches. Che's and the the g._m. And the coach but as we you know as we age there is odell beckham now was a shoe deal and he's going to have a helmet deal. Players are different today today. I think you've always been belch. I've given you both credit for this. You have always been a step ahead of the league in in development in trends though our players different today for you entering the league yeah i think they're smarter just technology wise <hes> they're they're more advanced and so they're are used to standing up in front of a camera speaking into a microphone no they're they're polished with that with that side of the game <hes> <hes> <hes> and and i think that gives the impression that there once you get down to the base of learning the plays <hes> that's that parts of say and they're still they're still young young men and their blessed to have the opportunity to play in this league and to make money and so they still need the guidelines for that but as far as being just educated indicated in the world. There are a little bit worldly than maybe you and i work. I'm going up and you still find players comfortable. Patrick mahomes to me looks incredibly coach -able just the body body language when i watch him on the sidelines you find most players today coach -able yeah absolutely absolutely these guys are the best in the world and all they want from yet. They just want you to go find one more thing to make him even greater and that's what drives you the coach i mean that's the beauty of this thing so <hes> you know we go we go out and we do that where teachers features and we go out and we try to find things to try to exploit their ability and talent. You know when you got patrick mahomes. He was not a number one pick. You traded up to get him and i remember san on the air. I'm like i don't know that air-raid stuff. I don't know when did you know you were right on. Patrick mahomes and the rest of us were sort of wrong was there. Was there a moment in that first chiefs camp. Well you know brett. Beach was the one who jumped on this thing early that was in his area and he went out named he. He started laying down. These plays on my desk from the first time patrick stories is this guy is unbelievable and i put the tape on. I looked at it so i had a chance to watch him for a couple of years there air and then i'm like well. I'll be curious to see how this transfers into the national football league all these no look passes starts within these things things off people's ears in practice and you go all right. I'm feeling it. Let's just keep keep growing there well. You've grown quite a young man and kansas city's loaded this year. It's going to be a fantastic nick decade or more and we hope you around for all of it andy reid. It's great talking to you on a friday coach all right on your best. Thank you all right. Andy reid. Yeah i remember when he came out my first takeaway was i didn't watch them a lot in college. He's really raw. He's a little wiry i don't he he was kind on an ad liberal and i'm thinking is this is this. This looks like four touchdowns and three picks every sunday. I'm not sure if it works and and you know the other thing. It can't be overstated so he inherits. Andy reid a grown up a great play designer. He inherits alex smith a grownup that can groom him for a year. You look at these stories. Tom brady's the aaron rodgers. You look at a lot of these stories. They inherited good coach. They in inherit either a veteran arain quarterback sam darnold last year inherits mccown. He sits in the film room and gets a teacher. That's what i've said about baker. I'm not worried about baker's talent the biggest good enough to win playoff games. He inherited an owner rookie head coach <hes> g._m. That got fired what you inherit. Patrick mahomes got an anti read a great g._m. A nice oh line good weapons and a grown up in alex smith now i'm not saying it wouldn't be talented but folks look at josh rosen when he inherited patrick's much better pyan talent but but he got that was a nice sano turbulence house a nice soft landing on that first flight joy with news wjr news. This is the third line news all right. The cowboys are running out of time to get zeke elliott back before the season starts. Sir and jerry is adamant. The cowboys are prepared to start without zeke are that game is about availability. Take sometimes more than ability no one does anybody any good themselves or the team or not available and there's many reasons to not be available and i don't want to get a mentor here but one of them is to not come in and play. If you haven't contract the game and the it will go on. We look very very interesting terry getting sassy about this out. I don't mean to get get alimentary here. I mean you you can hear it that he is well. I can't speculate here. I'm just basing this off of. What what i'm hearing from jerry. It seemed his patience is running out for the situa- also does sound joy. It sounds like they want him in. I mean wouldn't be talking. I mean they're they want him into camp made an offer here right now. Of course they want him. Let me who who wouldn't want him but it's it's a matter of not just principle here like there's other people that they have to consider an and moving towards the future like. Have you locked up. It's almost a weird way to zeke's benefit because if you lock up to an unrealistic contract you're not gonna be able to put other pieces around z. I seems to be successful like yes. He'll be paid but at one point or another everybody can't make the most amount of money to of everybody in bellied and to to jerry's kinda cut jerry did standby zeke through all through all of the roller coasters and that's where i think makes him mad. I agree. That's where it's a little personal. It's like the the commissioner was apnea. I almost got the commissioner exile right. I went. I went to the wall on this so your point earlier jerry's about stories and and the story of being able to do all that and then get zeke on the right track and then eventually when the super bowl this is kind of a little roller comes on the road right right the z. rollercoaster. Everyone's fear that they're going to make the game so safe that it turns into flag. Football is actually something that joe horn thinks is a good idea. Obviously improving improving player safety has been an important topic for the n._f._l. And former wide receiver joe horn as a suggestion that would involve a massive changes. I think it should be flag football. I think the fans would still pay to see it. I don't i obviously do not agree with us now. Four clarity he was one of the players that settled the class class action concussion lawsuit with the n._f._l. <hes> and the american flag football league i do think would be something a product that people would watch on television. We'll is they all the time sports premium for television. It's the only thing that we watch live anymore. Sports and politics are the only thing that we have to watch in that moment. Everything else gets reported yuppie. If you watch it on your own time you watch it on your phone. You watch it. Wherever like it's it's. You don't have to be in front of the television anymore. That's it so any kind of sports competition that you have can be made into a television products so yeah. This could be flag. American flag football could be a television products for which i'm sure people would watch and a lot of former players play in and they add that bell so i'm sure that they would be like there's there's big names ed. You have thirty-three sports network now. We're all looking all these listen this. This is why the x._f._l. Is going to work got the biggest to sports companies in the country bind at fox and e._s._p._n. You have the w._w. Binded and you have a legitimate businessman oliver running. It and i've been watching these preseason games. Nobody keeps three quarterbacks. Now the bottom line joy as you're going to see in the x._f._l. All eight teams are going to have an n._f._l. L. quarterback it used to be when i was a kid. You kept. I remember as a kid vince evans i swear to god held a clipboard for the raiders for fifteen years <hes> or david <hes> <hes> you'd have these backup guys it doesn't happen anymore and so the reality is you're gonna see eight quarterback so there there i doubt in my lifetime that there'd be a flag football league that could get on a network and get decent time slot in the off season. I really don't but they are never going to make enough changes to the n._f._l. Into flag football and there's no replacement for that finally carmelo anthony continues to dominate the n._b._a. Headlines even with the off season. He still wants to play in the n._b._a. And has been trying to make a roster and one potential landing ending spot could be new york in brooklyn. Frank sola is reporting that kevin durant and kyrie irving are on board with bringing mellow to the nets and they've been pushing the front office to sign him now. This obviously becomes kind of interesting because durant will obviously be owls here but also wilson chandler suspended for twenty five games for p._d.'s and he's participated in unofficial workouts and scrimmages with nets players actually love this. The nets are really deep team if the superstars that are there want him. I think the nets are deep enough and an assault on a position this year that they could handle having mellow there. I really thought the lakers were the best place mellow was going to get on a roster to be but the nets actually make sense and then obviously obviously what better job for the nets the knicks for melody kevin durant is gonna go from klay thompson staff and dream on the earth fizz flat kyrie and carmelo. I'm saying that is not an upgrade. That is my personal opinion. I i mean right now. Face value shore but i'm telling on you if kevin durant ends up winning a championship. It's going to be dramatic. I'm not gonna say it's going to be as dramatic as when lebron left the heat and went back to cleveland and made eight cleveland into a championship organization but i mean that is that's quite the dynasty to leave to a unproven situation with dowden players. I have my i have massive doubts on brooklyn. Now of course kevin's not gonna play this year. This year is just developed here for the rest for everyone else. Just just keep it floats but i don't know i think the brooklyn i don't i don't i'm a seller on that the news well. That's the news. Thanks for stopping by heard away. Josh rosen has not been given the starting job in miami and a lot of people like like oh this means. They're going to draft a quarterback again. We talked about narratives mattering in the n._f._l. Daniel jones they grew them in. The giants play their offensive lineman. Sixty snaps are starting offensive lineman sixty snaps. They're creating a narrative in new york so when eli struggles sports radio c._e._o. The media and the fan base is like hey were ready. This new guys good dot com said his numbers are over inflated. He wasn't that impressive. The point being is the giants are rebooting the narrative. We now have the guy and he looked better than ally in the preseason this stuff. This is why people hire p._r. We are firms. Just look at miami's first four games baltimore new england at dallas chargers. Kate new england led the n._f._l. All in pressures dallas and the chargers have nasty pass rushes and the ravens isn't bad either. Josh rosen the narrative take him outside of arizona is going to work. He starts owen four on his back. You're done. You can't sell that to the locker room. You can't sell that to miami but if you look at the schedule for miami well this is interesting. Where would be the spot. That would be the perfect place to play josh rosen. Oh after the chargers week for a by and washington at home a washington team in a rebuild than it's buffalo pittsburgh jet indy would no luck in buffalo again. I believe what they're saying is based on what arizona china was the imagery of arizona rosen's a potential bust. They are not lining him up to face. Three of the best pass rushes in the league league. They're gonna give it to fitzpatrick. They're probably gonna go one in three. It's the perfect time two weeks for josh at home to debut against washington john and then buffalo and again you can sell them now to the locker room not saying he's a savior but the narrative that don't kid yourself there is there's a reason eh daniel jones gotta play in front of the first team offensive line new york giants are creating a narrative that they may have to use in week six seven eight or nine. I don't think it's the end of the world josh not playing with a schedule a look at the entry point the bye week. They got a really early by which isn't good but they're gonna used used by to their advantage. I think make a quarterback change in the by and get washington at home. A rebuilding team very winnable game all right. Jason whitlock has stopping by he'll be joining us in studio next be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern not a._m. Pacific hey it's clay travis host of the outkick coverage podcast join me every day as i give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports if you're looking for a sports podcasts that smart original funny and authentic outkick the coverage clay travis the perfect podcast for you i even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay travis which features long form conversations with the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen on apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen podcast jason whitlock speak for yourself host from kansas city. I just had andy reid on. I imagine they had some losses on on the defensive side. I still think they'll win their division. I still think they're the number two team in the a._f._c. Where do you where do you land with the number two team. You have the patriots number one. I think new england's younger for more physical and deeper this year kilo the chiefs of made some interesting additions to their defense. They've lost some guys but i think adding frank clark going to that four three defense france and tyron matthau matthew. I those are interesting additions. I want to see it play out. I think patrick mahomes is is going to be even better this year not saying his numbers are going to be better but i think he's going to be more efficient and better and i'm not sure his numbers are going to back up. I think he and andy reid don coryell and dan fouts of this air. I completely agree by the way the best signing of the off season. Nobody talked about was frank clark a next chris jones. This is probably the best tan in the league inside compared to philadelphia so y- frank clark was unbelievable and seattle and by the way the big loss for seattle is off season is frank. I'm clark. I don't think they'll replace him. Andrew luck's retirement. I defended. Him didn't love the timing what say you yeah. I don't have a problem with his retirement. You know there are there is an opportunity to people want to be critical of him. I don't have a problem with that. A i will say this though i do think particularly if he doesn't come back his as careers disappointing and i think you'd be talked to people in indianapolis. He's he's an odd dude. He was not a great leader and i think the people that say and question his passion for the game. Is it at the same level of a peyton manning or tom brady or ray lewis. I think that's fair criticism. I think that's what and again. I got no problem with him walking away but if he loved the game the way that some of the other guys do. I don't think he would have walked away. People said there's about jay cutler. Jay cutler's really smart sometimes too smart. You know it's hard to relate to people if you are like aaron rodgers. Sometimes i think aaron is tough on on coaches because aaron smarter than most of his coaches and i think andrew luck there. Is i mean everybody has blamed everybody else and i love my favorite college quarterback i've ever seen but in the the first couple of years he was not great at getting down and getting rid of the ball. He's smart enough to know as offensive line some of those hits. We're just not necessary. Hits and i think some of that is listen. I got a battle line. Get down. He didn't and i think over time. Frank reich came in and said fella. Just throw the ball away. Don't extend every plight z. cold out in running backs. I dunno this tony taller guy whitlock. No looks very very very don't care how good he looks. He's not ezekiel. There are a handful of n._f._l. Running backs who are difference makers and are unique from everybody everybody else in the league. I think zeke is one of those guys. I don't think it's fair to compare them to todd gurley and say todd gurley came into the n._f._l. With knee problems zeke's expend durable football player since you know being a little kid so i think that zeke does make a difference. I think he deserves to be the highest paid running back in the n._f._l. In two years early in a contract you'd still make the highest paid well because i think this system is unfair. I think that this system this collective bargaining agreement that locks up these rookie to this weight scale and then for five years. You got control of him. Zeki twenty four is worth a lot more money than he's being paid and i don't blame him for trying to go. Get it right now what you make of the a._b. Helmet fiasco. It's it was a hoax. I i think that a._b. Wants wants to retire as healthy as possible. That's his goal right now. It's not winning. It's not being super productive. It's about how can i squeeze these. He's last thirty million dollars out of oakland with taking his little risk as possible and if i if i need an excuse to get out of training camp and miss all the preseason anything anything to avoid work. I think zeke is into z. A. b. is into and so i think the whole helmet deal was just charade rate to take giving this used to be away and take heat off the fact that he burn up his feet doing cryotherapy well. It's interesting because o b j julio leo jones has practiced in recent years. Oh b._j. Has been absent from from some practices some of the biggest stars on the perimeter in the league. Maybe just saying hey we got low m._b._a. Field to us. We're not we're not gonna take these hits if they don't have to. I think for a b it's more pronounced than for oh b._j. Or julio jones. I think both of those guys a <hes> julio in o._b. J. are still about building their resume and legacy. I think a._b. Thinks he's done all he needs to do. Those nine on years he put up in pittsburgh will get him into the hall of fame. Now it's just how can i get out of here with this bag of money and make sure i'm never in concussion protocol again. Big ben will not do his monday. Radio show and i always thought brady brady's very corporate. <hes> brady goes on the air sounds like a local senator. Ben can be a little more passive aggressive like aaron rodgers. You put him on a radio. Ask him a question and you can go sideways. You know plant a little passive aggressive aggressive seat. I'm a fan of ben not going on radio the. I think it's a good move. I'm been a critic. Any fan of ben rothlisberger berg can be both yeah and so i'm going to defend him in this regard he and thomas. We talked about it earlier this week looking at a. b. and what he's done in oakland has made me go. Oh my god what was pittsburgh going through because all we're dealing with is the stuff we hear about. Just imagine all the things we don't hear about and so i think for being the leader of for my tomlin as a head coach and a leader. I think they were very compromised by a._b. And so i i can't wait to see what they do this year and in the next couple of two or three years without the a._p. Headache i think pittsburgh's the team that i kinda like the most most going into this year. It's the old theory if you see a couple arguing in public or at a party. What's the ride home like. I always feel that so. I have a friend friend. I'm not gonna mention his name. He played the n._f._l. You know him and he is. He's an offensive lineman and part time broadcaster he went. He called mike tomlin during this thing and mike who's very player friendly told a this guy that we both know oh. You have no idea yeah you had. He goes listen. We we hide stuff pretty good here. He's like and by the way the league. This league is always had expressive guys so it's it's not the end of the world i ain't i i kinda wish both pittsburgh and a._b. Would say this pittsburgh's like wouldn't pay a much and we got a ton of production and he's like. I inherited the best ball thrower. There should be a very happy divorce. It really should be it should be but if i may be. It's not because you know. Pittsburgh is a winning franchise franchise year after year. Big vin is a guy that will take hits to get his receivers the ball down the field he he's he's leaving probably the best quarterback in the league for antonio brown to go work with their car. Who's you know who knows what he is but he's certainly not been. I think everybody wins in this divorce except for a. b. and that's why he's been the most i._r._a. You're a huge college football fan so am i said this i think clemson offensively we could be looking at the best offense i've ever seen in college football running back all american receiver all american erica quarterback best. I've seen offensive lineman for n._f._l. Players now last night there choppy because they don't get four preseason games and georgia tech goes to bowls. Maybe i'm overstating overstating it when i look at that clemson offense. I don't think they've replaced alabama. Although alabama's had two key offseason linebacker injuries but i i do think jason we're looking at something special here when you say that i'm starting to run through my mind miami hurricanes two thousand one. The butch davis recruited team mm-hmm. I think the reggie bush met liner team that had nine pros on it. I think we're getting in that category with this team. I'd go even further back with u._s._c. There was awesome u._s._c. Teams would marcus al in charles white in the backfield and the entire offense. Um line damn near first team. All americans had some receivers. There's only asset quarterbacks not as good but it's like when rodney peete was at u._s._c. a and so i've seen some great and you're right what clemson has assembled reminds me of that. You know it's funny. It took him four years to pop and clemson football school chip kelly's thirteen games in everybody's. Nobody's bailing on him. It's like john wooden took sixteen years to pop to win his first title at u._c._l._a. We have no patience like in our oil say later. I did watch u._c._l._a. Last weren't good how they couldn't block anybody well. I mean they're young. It's thirteen games in it is funny. We bail on people and i'm not saying chip kelly but it should be noted. He won twelve games. A year organ got no players in that state. Well what what i'll defending for. Last night is seconds. They were over matt but somehow state in that game so he knows he's doing something right. Speak for yourself. After after our show today jason whitlock good seeing you our three next one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen in live or on demand whenever you like it's a fantasy football draft season and the fantasy football weekly podcast is here to make sure you dominate your draft thoroughly. You leave your hornets reconsidering several their life choices particularly playing fantasy football against you. Fantasy football weekly is the longest running fantasy sports show and it's now the podcast that crushes your league with deep dive data and unique insights every week at the fantasy football weekly crew grimes up analytics for every matchup for every player player. The results is a breakdown of every game fantasy style. We don't care which team will win. 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It's been a great life for you and a great career for you. <hes> so let's get to the andrew luck retirement. You said listen. I just can't defend it now. Initially there's blowback but i do think as we've all kind of contextualized over the last week. People don't love the timing of it brutal so let's go back to an address your initial comments which were on andrew lock. The initial comments were right and ah first off. I played seventeen in the n._f._l. Though they don't give me credit for some reason for the three years i was on injured reserve so i played i played seventeen years n._f._l. The people get confused those numbers. I don't know why but the bottom line it was a long time and a lot of surgeries. A lot of different injury issues over the course of the career but with andrew luck for me me number one. I love andrew look. I'm a huge fan of andrew luck and my to my tweets. I made that very clear and i've never said an additive thing about him. It's all about the timing for me and going into the season. I just felt and still feel very strongly that you cannot do that to your team into your organization at that that point especially when you come out admit that you've only been thinking about it for ten days. That's what he said yeah. He said that he's been contemplated for ten days i in my opinion and i i guess this come out that the colts organization tried to get him to go onto i._r._r. Yeah to me it's a no brainer that would have been no sacrificed by andrew. Luck no sacrifice <hes> for his family for him to say i'm going on. I r for the first half of the year getting get my head right. Gonna get away for a month of. I need to get away from maybe maybe his foot needed to do nothing for a month. We don't know now because he didn't give it that opportunity. I felt i would have been the right way to go to give him the opportunity to really consider sitter all of his options and also as important anything else not to go that whole organization in the chaos which is what it did in a team his teammates if they knew he was going on injured reserve they would still have hope that hey maybe we're going to get in for the second half of the season if we can keep it together and play decent enough in the first half of the season he he may come back in the second half and take us to the super bowl by retiring. He's eliminated that hoping that belief in that possibility in their minds yeah i mean these days it's very difficult and come out and have a contrarian opinion people of watched how andrew's been kind of taken apart physically. You had many surgeries he talked about. He just made up his mind about a year ago or two years ago. I'm not going to do this again. I'm not going to go into a season in hurt all year. Talk about your mental exhaustion because you had i mean you had rehab. Fifteen times like you are in constant rehab. Did you ever get to a point eight nine years before you retired and did you think on those car rides going back to camp. I can't do this again. Well the the many times those thoughts enter the picture and enter your mind number one. I can't compare my career to andrew luck and a lot of people on twitter. We're doing that and i don't know how it gets to that. You know what did you do. In your seventeen year career are his numbers are greater than your numbers in seven years and they get into all this comparison type stuff and that's not what this is all about. It's not about what andrew luck accomplished what i accomplished in my career. The bottom line is the timing of his announcement. Yeah i felt was just not acceptable to do what he did. <hes> it is a it is a grind believe me i mean every every rehab is difficult in the more. They stacked one on top of the other and you get a little bit older. It's harder to come back from those things as eric dickerson was saying earlier the nagging injuries stories become a lot more difficult to get through and it is a grind mentally. I mean there's no doubt about it. I get that and if he would have retired three months ago after the previous season i would have had absolutely no problem with it or if he retired after this coming season. I would've had no problem with it. He has every right in the water retire whenever he wants to. I i just felt like the best decision would have been for the timing. Standpoint would've been go on injured reserve at this point. Keep hope alive you never know how he might change his mind and and you give at least the option of of him coming back and then he can retire at the end of the year. Yeah i mean one of the narratives i didn't like is hey players can retire whenever they want and and no you can't the defining quality of all great quarterbacks is not arm size mobility. It's really leadership great man in generals our military people running companies quarterbacks. We consider it a leadership position. You don't bail on your infantryman going into battle. If patrick mahomes retired before the super bowl and said you know i'm just mentally exhausted right. That'd be not acceptable. No not it's not acceptable. This is a leadership position. These guys are not making thirty five million a year. You are there. They're are not the best athletes they don't do the blocking. They don't do that on now. Sometimes you tackle after an interception. We are paying a premium for leadership right. I mean that's salaries. Some of it is just we trust him running our organization as a <unk> onfield coach so i never bought the narrative that anybody can retire it whenever they want that your behalf of your salary and the n._f._l. Is is the grownup can russell wilson day one. You're like oh. I can hand in the franchise for fifteen years right and there is an obligation and as as as a leader as the franchise guy that they're investing hundreds of millions of dollars literally at andrew made right around one hundred in the course of his career. They're expecting you to at least give them. They have a window. They kind of know where your mind is most of the time so they know what they were hoping to get out andrew luck and i guarantee it was at least five more years. They're expecting to get out of him. So i believe when you reverse that it's not a matter of what the colds do to protect andrew luck during the of course of his career what what does he oh the colts <hes> from the standpoint of they can cut him at any point they want. They can cut anybody else. These are a lot of the arguments. I've been hearing the bottom line this as a leader as a franchise quarterback there is an obligation to try to make the right decisions that are in the best interests of the organization with the right talent the team team with the right timing and i just think this is an example where the emotions the frustration the mental state that he was in at that point he just. I felt that he couldn't do it anymore. And i think somehow at some point <hes> he's going to regret that that's why. I said it will haunt him. I don't mean it's gonna be a big black. Cloud fallen them around the resume life. I just meant he's gonna at some point. I think look back and say. I wish i would handle that a little bit differently. I don't think that's outrageous. Thought aaron rodgers matla floor matlock floors never been a head coach was a coordinator briefly with tennessee and it was not by the way a great year for him. He didn't see eye to eye so he gets a job. The kind of the momentum currently in the n._f._l. Is young progressive offense getting ahead job but the knock on matt leflore was he didn't really we own the room in tennessee head coach. You gotta own the room. You said you thought it was a little bit of a reach as a as a coaching hire you know i did when the when the packers made that decision surprise is matt. I think a lot of people were considering matlock floor for that position or any head coach position around the n._f._l. So obviously there was something that resonated rated with the decision makers of the packers that they felt this guy was something special. There's there's there's no doubt <hes> coming up in the shanahan system. I know mike shanahan very well is one of my best best friends. Kyle shanahan. I've <hes> saw cal cal shannon raised when i was playing with the raiders in through my time at the broncos a lot of respect for kyle and matt. I had a lot of years of both of those guys and he knows offense. The question is is he ready to be a head coach and we're gonna find out. We're going to find out and there's going to be some roadblocks in some some adversity. That's going to come their way this year because the packers. I don't think anybody's really expecting to make a super bowl run even though they have arguably the best quarterback back in the n._f._l. I will say this between the bears and the vikings defense's whether they win and division or not. It's going to be tough. The division errands. I six or seven years. Here's an division. It was kind of a sloppy mess. The bears were mass right that lions were in minnesota was just sort of talented chicago's good enough to win playoff games. Minnesota's got a great roster and i think detroit's the best fourth place team in the n._f._l. So win this division or not. This is going to be bumpy. It's a it's a strong vision. No doubt about it and my i guess my point is is. We don't know what to expect out of matt floor how he's gonna handle those situations. How is going to command the room like you said there's a question about that until he's done it and he's established himself doing those type of things. We just don't know how it's going to go over and my question is the history between aaron. Rodgers and mike mccarthy was documented committed. There was some tension between the two of them have toward the end when things get bumpy is matt la floor going to be able to keep that relationship strong and his aaron rodgers going to be able to handle it and and and be able to control and manage the relationship in a way that doesn't affect the team negatively. It's going to be an issue but it can very well ended up being the a a great great marriage. You never know until we sell. It plays itself out. You're a c._b._s. n._f._l. Analyst you guys have the a._f._c. I wanna talk about new england. They've been very good at being a little ahead of a crisis a little ahead of the game very interesting to me so there were a lot of speed receivers available in the draft. They went for an akil harry who is more of man-kwan bolden physical receiver. There was a lot of free agent receivers. They got demari. Thomas big physical can block. They went out and got josh gordon again above average blocker. They didn't really need a running back but they went to the s._e._c. and got obama guy. Who's a bulldozer. It feels like to me. They just made two trades on the offensive line that what is somebody who sees the patriots. It feels like they're not getting forty touchdown years at a time. They're not getting thirty touchdown years out of it feels like they're turning into a power time. Hi of possession team last year in the playoffs steve thirty eight minutes time of possession against the chargers thirty three against rams forty four against the chiefs right. I just watch it's their personnel moves and i'm like okay. They're they're going to be a power team this year. This is what they're going to be. All these receivers now elements for a long time steve. I love these guys these little guys. They're going big right. They wanna block you and take the ball away from you. Well i agree with that in the one thing that i do yeah no is that tom brady's incredible career. He has reinvented or they have reinvented that offense many times over yes when you think about it when they were tied in heaven had aaron hernandez and ben watson and gronk was young too you know just you know seven eight years ago. They were tied in featured team. Then they went through a few years where they had danny woodhead and the other running backs today we're using a lot kind of incorporating them into the passing game and then they had the years with randy moss and and they brought the vertical the more vertical the they've reinvented themselves many times and what i think they believe is whatever they put out on the field with tom brady. He and josh mcdaniels gonna find a way to make it work. Make it very efficient but i think you're one hundred percent right. They're realizing they've only got a limited amount of time. Tom brady left. They wanna try to take as much pressure off of him as they can to keep him healthy to keep them feeling really good going into the post season and then if he has to win a game form he'll be able to still step up and do it. They know that but if they can reinvent themselves power running football team and not have him throwing the ball forty times a game. I think they'd love to win that way. Let's talk finally steve berlin line about cleveland. <hes> youngest roster rookie head coach very talented outspoken quarterback lot of stars on the perimeter. Don't love their offensive line outside of their center. A lot of people are saying home runner at implodes. I don't i think they'll be somewhere around the middle nine and seven. What do you forecast. I think the over under be about nine wins for for them right now and personally i think with the confidence they've got right now and with the way that young defense is playing with coming off a baker's first year which which was a surprise to me. I didn't expect them to have that much. Excess that quickly and i i was very impressive what did last year and then bring in o._b. Jay and having another year with nick chubb up now the t- to really get that run game going. I think they're going to be a really good football team. I would take the over on that. I'm thinking they're going to win nine to ten games this year. You're going to challenge for that division. They're going to challenge the steelers for that division and i'm drinking the kool aid right. I think they're pretty good team and they they believe in freddie kitchens listen. I think that they're going to ride that wave and the question is going to be if they do run into a little bit of a roll block. Are they going to be mature enough to keep this thing on on on the on the path and be able to get right the ship and time to get it straight for the play. Go back to your career. Did you ever have an immature locker room. You're in oh man. We probably had plenty of what we had <hes>. We had several immature locker rooms that were led by different coaches that i had i had i wanted one year of buddy ryan in phoenix and i i don't i wanna get into that but that was very immature locker room just the way a lot of things were handling it resonated from the top but but there are a lot of teams that just don't have a a strong enough leadership element history whether or history whether it be with the coaching staff whether it be with the history of the organization or whether it be with veteran players that have i've been there before that know how to get the job done and know how to keep a team focus. No one to light ended up no one to push a little bit harder. That's a very important part of winning a championship having even those people in place longtime ninety two super bowl cowboys team pro bowler drafted by the raiders college at notre dame now c._b._s. De gracie. Hey great to be your call. Thanks for having you bet joy with the news on the news. This is the headline news news. We've all been waiting for all preseason. <hes> who is going to be the quarterback of the miami dolphins yeah no question about zeke yes. The dolphins well head coach. Mind floors ars announced yesterday. Wait is over. Ryan fitzpatrick has one starting job. He will start against the ravens week one. He's been the front runner obviously but said that resume strong training camp made it a tough decision. I think he's improved greatly over the course of training camp playing quarterback in this league. There's there's there's it takes them times. He he's an offense and i think he'll get there. I do i really do the battle of competition ever stops. <hes> i mean <hes> i'll push him every single day for him to get better and if he doesn't get better i'll hopefully surpassing some point. I think it's only time that <hes> <hes> his team mind but until then i'm going to be as supportive of backup to the cannon and like i said push them every single day you know he said something very telling in that in that quote there. It's only a matter of time before the tune is mine and i saw that very aaron rodgers eve very confident. Yes you could take that the wrong way if you were ryan and fitz patrick if you're listening depending on where you're sitting that might be a little bit of a job depending on where we're sitting and considering your bit of tin foil hat conspiracy. Here's the theory about why they did this. We're going into the week five bye week. Five bye looks like the perfect blinds them. Maybe he knows a little something that <hes> the rest of us are just assuming which is that week four they play the chargers who have a monster pass rush after playing dallas who has a great pass rush then there's a buy and what do you know lousy. Washington comes to town. It's a it's a rough start to the season for the the dolphins so it it it does surface. Look like it makes sense to wait until the buy if you're going to make a midseason change you mean like teams would have sort sort of a ball terrier motive gosh. I'd never happens and stuff sports. I don't know what i do know is that ryan. Fitzpatrick is the twentieth starting quarterback for miami since marino. Marino retired in nineteen ninety nine season. I was actually way off earlier when i said that the dolphins like the browns were actually nothing like the browns browse a web thirty. Well you know the funny thing about the dolphins is despite their dysfunction. It feels like to me they're either seventy nine or eighty eight. Half of the last two decades wants to be that either though i mean she just good enough not to get the guy that you need to get and that's why they'd say physician. I mean to me i would rather at least one of the years be truly atrocious so that we can draft a quarterback and get get the franchise guy. We'll see what happens during the season but there's no way that you could similar daniel jones i as much as i would like to see see them. Start the season because i think that the only thing that makes you better at football's actually playing football. The optics do matter when it comes to fans and the locker room so starting the guy that has it's been there that has the experience when you have a rough start the season and then making a change in seasons young guy seems like the more prudent way to go about it so the cowboys are running out of time kazuki. Oh elliott back before the season starts and jerry is making it very clear. They are prepared to start without him. The facts are that this game is. It's about availability sometimes more than ability no one does anybody any good themselves or the team if they're not available and there's many reasons to not be available and i don't want to get a mentor here but one of them is not come in and play if you have a contract to the game of the season and lie will goes on like saas jerry subtle on that is barely mentioned some you throw the word elementary in there. You're getting matter fact about it. I think he's frustrated. Obviously everyone the entire situation as probably frustrated that's obvious but dairy particularly because jerry really went out there on a ledge for zeke and it's based off of the numbers that at least the team put out he is been offered in the thirteen and fourteen million dollar range very reasonable numbers reasonable making the second highest paid levian the around thirteen point two. I believe in we all know todd gurley fourteen so that makes sense and based off of zeke's roller coaster experience in the n._f._l. So far that is a completely fed. That is a great offer to me. I'm not zeke so whatever whatever i think but i think it's unreasonable to ask to get todd gurley contract and in in this environments who's loving this philadelphia eagles fans and <hes>. They decided to take a little job at gerry. Just remind him that they're out there and they they put a little billboard up with the joe knock knock. Who's there zeke zeke. Oh boy so eagles. Fans are loving this. If no one else is her finally college football's number one team clemson kicked off their season last night they beat georgia a huge fifty two to fourteen and the current heisman favorite quarterback trevor lawrence had a decent performance went thirteen for twenty three one hundred sixty eight yards and one touchdown to interceptions actions but the true star of the game was running back travis e._s._p._n. Who had a career-high two hundred five yards on twelve carries and three touchdowns which ties his career <hes> record personal record and ninety yard touchdown run the first quarter ties as school record. They're going to be obviously great this year. You've put them in at least their offense in the category of all time stuff. I think alabama actually has a rough road. Dave and m.'s better florida's going to be better. L._s._u.'s going to be good. George is is really good so i- auburn's will figure out they return their offensive line so auburn is going to be at least capable so alabama could stumble like four or five games <hes>. I think this is next week. Clemson played texas am at home after that. It is smooth sailing yeah. Oh no. I'm not rooting for anyone to fail. Well obviously but i like that. At least there's a thought that the competitive landscape may be a little more evens out in college football. We're going to have some some great stories this year and in an interesting playoff race so good stuff joined with the news well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie one of my favorite segments of the week eight former newspaperman jason mcintyre tomorrow's headlines today. He's bizarrely accurate. That's coming up be sure to catch live edition of the heard weekdays noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific r._i. Jason mcintyre j mack used to work in the newspaper industry bailed on that thing went to the big gleed now he's at fox sports radio you come on and we do a segment called tomorrow's headlines today with stunning and bizarre levels of accuracy even though at at the time when you release these headlines we often roll our eyes so now you're gonna talk about n._f._l. Predictions in today's segment but you're going to start with a tray now a big trade <music> out there so tomorrow's headlines today which team will get texans jude avian clowney the linebacker well counties in high demand. Get after the quarterback and i think the headline will be circus gets new clown. The oakland raiders the situation there with richie incognito incognito and von dez perfect and antonio brown and his feet. Can you imagine if they traded for cloudy. They have extra picks and they need a pass back back insects last year dead last in the league by a mile and listen if you're looking at cloudy and you've got those extra picks khalil mack trade you're going to vegas. You need these splashy superstars. I do wonder though just cloudy still qualify as a superstar because this is a guy who went number one overall colin and five years in the league. Guess how many double digit sack seasons. I don't know if he's had one. He's had none yeah and that's playing opposite j._j. Watt which is a little bit disappointing. He is a he's an explosion lotion player. You get big plays from him. I don't love his consistency but i do get moments where he makes big plan your and a division where patrick mahomes is going to be running around for the next five to ten fifteen years. It's a really interesting caleb. Rivers is immobile. The raiders have the draft equity built up with the picks from the khalil mack deal deal. I think it's a smart move actually actually pretty smart all right. Tomorrow's headlines today. What will be the biggest surprise of the n._f._l. Season so they asked me jason. What's your biggest shocker for the n._f._l. Season and i said guys take it to the bank. The headline will be teamed. Not named patriots wins the a._f._c. east. Ah adam gays there with the crazy eyes. I see joy side. I in me yes colin. I have already been in vegas bet this. The jets will win the a._f._c. Well i will say this seven hundred okay so defensively if they can. They got star players. They they went out and got star players tires. They paid for it but the key is colin again. I cannot keep harping on this the patriots last year. We talked about brady slightly declining okay. You know they were nine and five there late. In the season in the wildcard mix i mean they were they were going to get to the playoffs. They had to be to rookie quarterback's down the stretch in josh josh allen and sam darnold to to get that number one seed and then sorry number two seed but colin. Also this patriots team that let's be honest. They lose grunk. They lost their starting center. The left tackle is was never started an n._f._l. Game there are a lot of questions and when i look at the new york jets and you look at the patriots last ten years of one this division everything good comes to to an end. You know that colin. I think this is the year sam darnold year dill. I don't like the jets corners but it's an interesting max are bad. We'll agree remain. Johnson hopefully stays healthy and rebounds from an awful first year with the jets. Tomorrow's headlines today which team will see the biggest drop off this season. Well you know mike in my life. I like to zig when everybody zag you. Do your and you love me for that and you like zagging too well. Everybody loves the chicago bears betting on the bears to win the super bowl and mitch trubisky to win the m._v._p. The headline will be not so winn d. city. This is a terrible take that are going to be regressing big time. I i mean i know they had an awesome year last year but that defense is going to drop off significantly okay. They lose their defensive coordinator vic fangio. That's a big law. It is a genius and he took his secondary coach. They led the league interceptions and they lose to starters in the secondary so suddenly teams are going to be able to open it up on them and a word of caution about mitchell mitchell trubisky who people went a bit nuts for last year in games against teams that made the playoffs just six and seven interceptions. Yes this is it on the bad teams and nobody wants to look beyond the obvious. Also you have now full year film mitch trubisky. I think the packers defense is better. I think their first place schedule. I think this i do chicago and i think matt nagy. There's some smoke and mirrors here. He had to trubisky <unk>. Accuracy was so bad in the short passes caller in other words. That is the toughest division football. We could spend an hour debating this but i'm telling you. The vikings are potentially team. Aaron rodgers is always going to be there and you know the detroit. Lions are my. I sleep this year. Tough division bears regrets no playoffs. Finally tomorrow's headlines today what you matchup gonna be in the super bowl fifty fifty four time. I haven't heard your super bowl. Pick yet for next week. I have not made it. You gotta be on a plane to vegas and you're gonna be making your pick. My headline for the super bowl is wjr phil verse philly. I've got philip rivers and the chargers in the super bowl against the eagles. Don't think it's good. It's not crazy. First of all eagles rules plus fourteen hundred. They're going to steamroll the division. We know that unless once gets another injury but the defense is deep the secondary's healthy. I think the eagles are the class of the n._f._c. I think that's a very strong. The chargers colin. I know everybody kinda scoffs and their injury prone. This is a team. That was the only one in the n._f._l. Top eight offense and defense last year okay bottom half the season with an injury denzel perryman the great middle linebacker. He missed the final seven games and here's a stat that i loved it. I unearthed. It's the off season in that playoff game against new england. They had five new defensive starters as opposed to week one and that's and we were all surprised when the patriots just picked up a part remember. They crush them right. It was an embarrassment. The defense had five new guys starting. That weren't there week. One elsa had to travel cross country for the second straight week for west coast teams historically. You lose that you just do not win. The other thing is melvyn. Gordon's gonna sign. This is interesting. We've talked so much about zeke. Melvin melvin gordon will eventually sign what signs week seven or eight and you'll get a fresh air elvin gordon down this without gordon last year they were foreign owen average like twenty seven points a game so they can hold off without him. I know the divisions hard but they will miss derwin james obviously yeah right he's there. He'll be back late in the season for the two games against the chiefs chiefs. He's expected back around ten eleven. They don't play the chiefs until late both games so that's a huge win for them. I know people don't love the chargers they laugh at the powder blue uniforms and no oh homefield advantage. I like rivers to finally break through and get to the super bowl. You know it's funny because i had andy reid on earlier but i do feel like andy and patrick are going to have multiple opportunities. This is one of the last chances for philip rivers. It would be lessened. Man stan humphries in the chargers say i remember the year i remember remember the year they've i think they face san francisco. They ended up. It was a miami super bowl. They popped san diego's in los angeles. Chargers slash. Dave had a lot of years. Here's where you'll look. They got eight pro bowl this is his franchise has not had great player guy. Remember that stan was at that bloodbath that was like fifty five ten forty. Forty niners destroyed the jason mcintyre. Tomorrow's headlines today em drive. I use it every day. 'em dry boost and burn boosting healthy testosterone and burning fat visit. 'em dry for men dot com today and refined your prime as you age. I love it. Speak for yourself coming up next weekend. One more heard the heard streams james twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her listen live or on demand whenever you like hey it's r._j. 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Lombardi's Week 2 Reactions | GM Street (Ep. 303)

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Lombardi's Week 2 Reactions | GM Street (Ep. 303)

"Ooh. Today's episode of GM is brought to you by Miller lite. Look here at the ringer. We have our disagreements, but there shouldn't be any debate about this. Miller lite is the great tasting light beer, but the only ninety six calories and three point two grams of carbs that's fewer calories in half the carbs of Bud Light. There's really nothing more to talk about if you have a real argument. Let me hear it until then stick with Miller lite. Miller lite hold true and now GM street. GM three part of the ringer podcast network. It is Tuesday. It is September eighteenth and we just watched Mitchell Trubisky and go bears takedown Russell Wilson. That's your boy in the Seattle Seahawks. It is. It is all happening. Chicago Bears one their five hundred for the first time since two thousand fourteen people were very excited in the windy city right now and about Mitchell about Mitchell, right? Is that what we're going to say Mitchell Trubisky finally, did it showed some moxie last night cannot not be excited. Lombardi should not be excited. I mean, I think look, I think Mitchell Trubisky is exactly what I thought he was like week one. I mean, if it goes to script, yeah, everything's going to be fine. But once it gets off script now he has to improvise and he's no longer a quarterback and he's just an athlete. There's an impulse in his brain that switches very quickly from a quarterback to now I'm an athlete and that impulses. The reason why he as Mr. Ohio in the state. Ohio interro mental high went to North Carolina. There's a reason they want to be a champion. Right? Is that what you're saying? Abby, if you're Mr. Ohio in that state, you're going to be a Buckeye. You're born manure mama lifts you from the crib, your of Buckeye in that state. I'm just telling me like, all right, there's a reasoning what the North Carolina, and I'm not saying you can't overcome the reason, but there is a reason he went to North Carolina. Then there's a reason he didn't start at North Carolina that you witnessed firsthand. One of the greatest schools of all time you witnessed this for Santa Frazier now because he doesn't do that. Now we're watching them play. And last night is an example. I mean until until the interception by the by prince amukamara. I mean, I bet you Mitchell's but was titled and commissioned because if Russell gates entice that game up, who knows where this thing goes, it they're going to have to win with their defense. He's not ready to be put the game in his hands. They gotta manage him very. Carefully and delicately and what you've seen that on the opening drive. So every single the in both games that we've seen Mitchell come out, he has looked perfect because every decision has been scripted out and everything has gone scripted Tate. Frazier, it's been practiced. Yes. So it's been rehearsed, so okay, we're gonna play this coverage like ballet at this. Exactly. We know they're going to be here here now. So the volume of places templates, all he has to remember is ten place. Okay. Now, once we get past that and we start messing around with things game on, and that's where we get to the situations where people were complaining about him talking the ball and starting in the run. But that's what happens like he has the one option and that is the knock on him as a curling stands. And the reason that you're not as high Mitchell from the beginning because you do not think that he could get past that point. I thought that the ceiling was this is what he is. If it's open, if it's there, he can make every throw. But if he has to make a decision and he has to do something that Aaron Rodgers would do, improvise them, the Russell Wilson's do improvise. That's not his forte. No, it's not as an his instincts. It's like when I take bell for walk every day, I go to the. Beach, her instinct as a goat, the Roma goal, which is the hunting dogs, right is to dig. I put her on that beat. She starts digging, it's an instinct. She kicked, there's no way it's going to change. I can't change her. It's it's, it's bread, inner Mitchell. Trubisky instincts. Take over for him. I'm comparing Bella to Mitchell too risky. I apologize for that bell. But anyway, so the reality here is is he can't change it and it's going to take time and time and reps will it ever happen? I'm I'm not a believer that it will. I would say, you know, it's probably going to be very difficult, but it could. It could. I mean, I'm not saying he's a Busta pick, but I will say this very clearly. I don't. Nobody can argue with this to Shawn. Watson is a better player and based on two games this year, Patrick Mahomes is a better player and the bears traded an asset. They pulled a seventy sixer. They traded an asset to get a player that wasn't the best player of the draft that's now going to be called for the rest of my life. A seventy sixer of Marquel Foltz right. A trade and ask. Set to get not even the best butter in the draft. Yeah, that's what they did is called the seventy six from here on out, I've labeled it. We'll call it a seventy six hundred. We we should say Pat Mahomes at this point is probably looking as the number one guy in this class and we're gonna get to him a little bit later. I wanna keep talking about this bears defense and what they were able to show. So the interesting part about this bears team as you have the Khalil Mack who is proving right now that he is one of if not one of the top five best players in league outside of position outside of where you play on the field. I mean, he is making Russell Wilson, a guy who was a king of I'm a magician. I'm a wizard. You do not knocked the ball out of my hands. He strip sacking Rome Russell Wilson. He's making him look confused. He got them rattled enough where principal Qamar backs up and basically Bates him into making it pass that he would usually not make. So we just got stuck with that bears defense. I mean, they're, they're a top five even to the NFL not in a defense that we have to really watch out for. We're going to carry them. And I think look to me, it starts with how you attack the bears defense. You're not gonna play conventional against them. They want you to play convention when they want you to run it on first down. So you could be in second along. They want you to run it on. You know, they want to get this committee third downs as possible. To me the game last night was obvious. If you're a Seattle fam- they pull the curly in the boat, you know, and I love the three stooges, but curly's in the boat. And I've given this analogy many times curly makes a hole in the boat. So he drills another hole in the boat to let the water out. Okay. So now he's got two holes in a boat. That's what Seattle did when they fired Darryl Bebel and higher Brian Schottenheimer they didn't fix the hole in the boat. They created another whole. This offense is actually, and I never thought I would say to stay for Asia. This offense is worse than Bevan's. I mean, there's no creativity and there's no adaptability. So you're watching this game like, and I know Brian's got his sheet, you know, and everybody's got the big cardboard sheets in front of a. But at some point you got to say, look, we can't really handle them. We gotta get the ball out quick. We got a spread them out. We got a tire them out. We gotta go, no huddle wear him down a little bit and get the ball out quick and not try to establish the run, but establish the spread and then feed runs into keep the quarterback off balance that. The only way and they did it on the drive when they were down seventeen to three and they and they scored the best drive of the game for for Russell. Great. But of course they come back out when it's seventy two, ten, and are back in the regular gotta, run their regular offense. Don't forget their offense is horrendous by design by ski tempo by tempo by everything. I mean they were given that from four time to rest. They literally curling in the boat. They really got worse. They got actually worse on offense than they could last year. Even though I think Mike solarte's a really good line coach. I mean, they're try to help out, but the, you know, the hold onto the ball. They got a boss, gotta come out quicker. They gotta do. It's all about attack in the scheme the right way. And look, I think, look, we all the betting is legal in America, right? Everybody could do it, but when you're betting when you're sitting down to place a better, your heart on cash. Okay. You gotta really think hardly about write the names down Vic, Fangio versus Brian Schottenheimer. If your bet and Seattle on that one you better think about that really close. Just think about it, really, really close your Benton. You know, whatever the coordinator is against the other coordinate. Your bet, and Frank Wright who played in Philadelphia last year twice against the Redskins going into Washington against Greg gagne, Jay Gruden you're betting out if you wanna bet that that's fine. Go ahead. Right. Did a look at the numbers what right did in Philly, but you got to think about that and last night it was so obvious that that Fangio just was messing with them and he never attacked Fangio in a way that Fangio could harm them. And we should say so the most in the NFL so far, far sacks in the first two games Russell's has been sacked, twelve times the closest he's had to that two thousand fifteen to get sick eight times within the first two games. So teams are getting after him. And then we saw last night a couple of times. I mean, Khalil Mack didn't even get blocked a couple of times tied in basically barely chipped him and gets outside will disarray. And then he's up the feelings right? Russell's face and we're running play and rollouts to his side. Right. You're hoping he's gonna take the fake. Good luck with that. Like like what some point the guys only plan pass anyway, like he's never planned the run. He's never taken a fake for the Parsons, not scared, clue, MAC, no, he could. You know, actually, if you really wanted to run the ball inside of him because he's. Just going to run up the field. I mean, that's what you do if you going outside and being guys and coming back in and making place. I mean to me, the design of Seattle's offense has got to worry you as a Seattle fan because it's not any better than it was last year, and that's the problem, and then their game management, the way they set up the game, how are we going to tack this? It just doesn't work. And and I think to me Russell Wilson's is taken a lot of heat for. They're going to get it fixed. They're going to have to figure out a way to get this worked out because they're just not good enough on defense, the defense carried him, and we did see that that beautiful graphic that he has PM put up brought to you by the the adventures where they faded out all of the the former defenders on the team and left, you know, k. j. right, Bobby Wagner. And Earl Thomas. And at this point, I mean, we saw Earl Thomas last night. If you, if you kept an eye on him, he was going up to king and some of these other guys on the defense and just trying to trying to trying to light a fire under him. You know what I mean? He was trying to certain himself in a way as a leader, but it's a young, grew two different Griffin loot gradient. Those two picks on Mitchell Trubisky. That's exciting if you're a Seahawks fan. But at the same time they have to. Move on or figure out what the identity is of this team because the pencil in the offense looks off the whole game. Last night. We never talked about Seattle defense. Alignment. We'd never did. There was never never mentioned about him. There was never. I need defense alignment at stood out. Frank Clark made a play that talked about that, but for the most part and he was all sides and he was off side, but Pete Carroll's, that's because you're Trubisky refuses to change his hat how and it's always on Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, all once everybody in America, Sundays, Mondays to Tuesdays, three. All right. So they literally just the, you know, they, they don't talk about it and you have to understand one of the great things that Ernie Adams dozen. I wrote about this in the book and other shameless plug for the book radar. Dita's people always ask me all the time. What is Arnie atoms do. And in the book I wrote about this when I was in Cleveland Art Modell, the owner of the Browns used to walk around the the Browns facility. He was. He was a funny man. He really was very funny, man. He had a great sense of humor and he would always ask, I'll pay anybody, ten thousand dollars that they can tell me. Ernie Adams does in this building 'cause he was paying him and he really didn't understand. But Ernie's value is tremendous for the patriots. He he's not as much in personnel or game management or that he's in rules. He knows them better than officials themselves. Okay. And he's also a historian of the game. And so when Ernie studies a defense, he just doesn't study the last week. He studies the origin of the defense and the origin of Seattle's defense is built on the front. It's all front based in Minnesota's defense in one thousand nine hundred five. That's what it is. And when you when pe- cows playing a game and there's no talking about the front, you know, he doesn't have a good defense that that it's really easy to connect the dots there. So that's really the biggest issue that you see if you're Seattle, you're not good enough to win with your defense, and your offense is really bad. And so when you break out a team after two weeks, you have to look at it this way. There's there's production and design. You know, you make a car, you design a car, you produce it right. Same. Thing with the football team, you design the football team that you gotta produce, would I see in Seattle is a huge design problem. Then it translates to a production problem, and that's really what the cause of the offensively particularly does. It feel like is because it's designed for a pastime for the, that's not their offense where we're trying to figure out where God's plan Brian is from the so okay, origin of where you're from Schottenheimer is really more of a north Turner offense of guy. That's what he was at the jets when they were success with Mark Sanchez in two thousand nine America's system. There's a little. There's a little west coast, but it's more hold the ball, get it down the field run h option f. post all these kind of things. And that's why you're seeing the sacree go up because Wilson's it's not a west coast one, two, three, four, five, bang it out. One-two-three banging out, you know. And that's when he looks best is when he goes back to his old bubble offense, which he could bang it out. And he knows how to run that. And we saw him a couple times even on the goal line. Remember when he had the the quick pass option and he held onto. The second. It feels like Russell, Russell Wilson? Oh, he's a very stickler if someone tells them what to do, he's going to go in abide by whatever the rules are. So he's trying to lean into what Schottenheimer wants. He's gonna play differently than than he would have played before. You know what? It means he's trying to appease offense coordinator. No. And I think like I said, this is a design problem. This is a design problem, and you know, peop- higher Bryan. Bryan was with John Schneider, the general manager in Washington, so they have a friendship and I'm sure they both respect one another. But at reality here is, is the line coach, Mike solarte's from west coast background. So he understands that. And so you're merging these systems and it's going to it. It's not blending and it doesn't fit the quarterback. It doesn't fit what Russell can do. Russell's a one-two-three banging out Bob as bad as Bevo was this is worse. Like I didn't think bubble was creative. I thought bubble installed the day one of the west coast offense. He ran it. That's what he did. Okay. Say what you want, but this this is not the right fix that. I think this is why Seattle to, and we talked game was for the taken last night and yes, yes. Yes. I mean, the the bears were in the same situation that that they were with the Packers. You could tell that they had the lead, but they were very terrified that there was going into Iraq. And the bears played. Carol play Arizona. This week. I think they're six and a half point favorite. If you put your money on the bears, you gotta hope Mitchell can. Hold on can create a six is 'cause limitation Nagy. Did you see Nagy's card last night? And as I call them the waffle house menu. So design. I mean, it's so perfectly. I mean, one thing about being in the NFL you know, excel, you get the learning zone. One of the great wooden, I would recommend everybody one note but excels good too. But anyway, so the reality here is, is he had on the play she'd in of course, we never told me you be you. Thank you. Take Asian isolation. You would think they would have talked about it. What does that mean? It meant it to me, it was a message and this is my interpretation. I could be wrong that don't get. Don't get tentative in the fourth quarter, be you be yourself hall the game, the way you want to call him. And I think that was a conversation, but speaking of conversations, I mean at some point, can they just get McFarland up in the booth yet? Boogers. Great. W whether talking to him the whole game anyway. I'm not really sure why not in the booth thing, it'd be fine. Have three people in the booth. I think honestly, it would help Jason whatnot. Not a lot. He's got a lot. You got a lot of questions. I mean they, what are they ask him last night? That was. So I was like, how's he going to the last drop kick? Was like, what do you think? You know, he made it a good enough observation. You know bringing up with the Redskins or some some time when it happened, but it's not comfortable. It's not. Yeah, it's not. It's not comfortable. It's Boogers having fun though. I think for guys on the sideline. I like to me, that's the job that I think like I pour Lisa Saulters. We don't even know she must be a witness protection somewhere. She's in west Cape May. Maybe she might be my zehr with Nathan. G might be the first player in westwell. That's right. We put Nathan Peterman west. I play chess or something like that. It's amazing, but I to me, you know, I always thought that McFall dob is to watch the silent. Watch the coaches in between breaks and tell the fans actually what's going on. What's the adjustments? What are you hearing down there like, you know, football k. here's what we gotta do. We're gonna come out and play this or that expect you know that kind of thing. But to me all he's, he talks every every play like he's a part of the booth. I mean, they should just get him up in the booth. I gotta ask you to, we bought it the BU. You thing? I honestly in my head when I saw you, I thought that was a a message to Mitchell. Now I, I hate to call her. You know, I just in my head. I'm just every time he comes over is like, you know, don't do too much. I feel like that is it might be, but I took it as don't be tended to be yourself and they were comparing him to Doug Peterson talking about, you know, he was a guy that will go for it on fourth down. I mean, that was so people were very upset and I, I mean, that's the funny thing they were comparing to Peterson Cassidy call a plain Ken city. Well, yeah. I mean, let's be he didn't call a play, you know, and and actually Nagy was got the job Peterson got sent out of the organization and Nagy got the job. I mean, that's a fact nobody can I that. Yeah. So anyway, I mean, look, I think the two issues here. If you're if you're Seattle, you've got to worry about how good are you on defense. I mean, I've said all along its rebuilding, you're in Seattle. Now they gotta hope. They play play douse this week. Crowd noise or defense can Russia a little bit better, get some things going, but the offense to me is by design, not very good. It'll be interesting to see if p Carroll who obviously is in that front office role as well, we'll we'll try to reach out and they'd maybe they try to make a move, especially to get possibly a pass rusher. I mean, a guy like you look at a guy like Khalil Mack, Chicago Bears magic. The Seahawks made a move in. And we're able to try to get him up there. You know what I mean? And what that could have done for that team. And instead of Trubisky they can't afford it. They can't do it. They got their quarterback who's contracts coming up again. Yeah, you know. So they're going to be locked into a lot of money and they have in these rookie quarterback deals again. Again, it comes really back down to, you know, I think John Schneider would admit this. It's hard to draft good when you're picking so low all the time, and you're going to have some blown draft picks in two years ago. Malcolm McDowell think Maliki McDowell when I didn't even play, didn't even get to the field. You got hurt and cut him. So you know, that's what that's what happens when you don't have draft picks come through for, let's talk about draft picks traffic's being sent from the New England Patriots or one draft pick and civic a fifth round draft pick for the services of Josh Gordon. Amanda. We know from hard knocks with Cleveland Browns, and and Hugh Jackson said the the bird is landed when he came back and joined the team. And finally, the final straw apparently has happened in Cleveland, and he now will be with the New England Patriots you were. I texted you this yesterday. As soon as I saw the news, I said. Do you know this is a rainy malls two point. Oh, right. Josh Gordon's gonna go deep for for Tom Brady. And you told me to pump the brakes. Why's that? Well, I think this, I think, look, I think Josh Gordon's and immensely talented player, but Randy Randy moss love football than any player that I've ever been around. He was smarter than any player have been around. He loved the game. You know, people confuse that West Virginia twang for not being really overly intellectual. He really was smart. And so that's what they do to people in the south on Bernie. I'm sorry about that. You know, they, they kill me from my accent and my inability to pronounce names, but I do have a hearing problem. That's why I do this. But anyway, so you know, the reason it's not it's because Josh Gordon when I was around Josh, his love of football was never obvious like he did. He was talented. He was a great athlete. He was gifted. He's been spoiled his whole life from Baylor. You know, he was catered to at Baylor. He had these social issues at Ballard got kicked out of Baylor, went to Utah, transferred to Utah, couldn't even play at Utah because of the same situations. Got drafted in the second round. When everybody knew he was talented in the Browns, took a chance on them figure they could get them turned around and we did for one year. But when you zurve Josh, the love of football from him in moss or completely different. And so when he's going into New England, Patriots, I compare it to going to navy butts like he's going into bud school. The end, the reason they have all those helmets of the bud squad is because guys can't handle the volume. Every guy that goes to navy buds can handle the testing. Okay that you don't get in. If you can't handle the testing, what gets you sent out or makes you quit the volume of testing that every single day you gotta do this, this this, it's regiment. It's it stacked one on top of another on top of another. And that's where I think Josh is going to have issues because when he starts to get into some confusion, it becomes it becomes a problem for him. And then the off the field issues become a bomb Josh's, not militias kid whatsoever, not at all. He's not a militias kid. He's not. He. He's just got addiction problems. That is documented. They're documented, and so those addiction problems come back up. And I think that's why I'm a little bit wait and see I wrote about this yesterday in the athletes that they're not going to be, you know that I wouldn't have traded for him and because I would have traded for the reason I would notice because I think that his issues are bigger than his love of football. You know, we have to stop wanting it more for Josh than Josh wants it for himself. And you know, this is a kid. Now he's going to go into England, eight Fraser, and he's like, you. And I, we, we did how many podcast about the difference between the people were like, Lombardi quick compare and everything the bell check? Well, I'm just I, it's hard for me to do that. Right. So we compared hard knocks Cleveland to what I've been around and what Josh is about to embark on is going to be completely different. First of all, he's gonna have to get there early in the morning. Okay. He's not going to be able to when I was in Cleveland and we would practice inside because of course it was cold. We had to go inside because they had practice perfect conditions forget about mental toughest, go inside. So. Josh would go in those locker. When the off when the defense was running through their scripts, he would go to his locker, check his phone that we said a word on like that ain't gonna happen these techs off. Yeah, see what's going on. Greg, Lynn on him. Go in there and go hang out like they were superstars little. Yes, that's my favorite superstar. That's your guy. Greg little four and a half day. Go check the phone. Do work scout Team New work, though. Love football, no, Egypt wasn't there. And so you know, that's where I now he's going to, he's going to, he's going to have to extra conditioning because he's going to have to get in the shape that New England Patriots shape like he's gonna run a hill probably today. Today's Wednesday, right on Tuesday, what tomorrow? He will run a hill after practice. My whole team will run hills after practice. So my question to you and the reason though I find it very interesting because of what you're saying in general was that there was no one to tell, Josh, hey, Josh, get your ass ended, you know, get your gear it. You know what I mean? And I don't think he's ever had a leader in locker room that will come over and Tom. What to do. But what look Hughes reaction? The eagles comes up to two. Josh Gordon says, hey, man, I need you. You gotta be my guy and he and he says himself, hey, TB wants me to be his guy. I'm Josh Gordon's life has given them that speech has it worked yet? Yeah, it hasn't worked yet, but Tom Brady hasn't given it to but doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter. Bill Belichick hasn't the, they're going to give it to them once and they're gonna watch him. And then once he screws up, they're going to send them out. He won't if he can't maintain it, he won't know he's going to have to learn the most complex offense. He's ever like remember when he gets through his book and it was locker and said, I got this man. I don't need to stay the this. He's about ready. He's about gonna. Take on masters class type. Mathematics. I mean, he's going to be at a high level. I mean, it's going to be where you know, like good will hunting that guy's doing that kind of credit. But if I'm if I'm Bill Belichick Tom Brady and I'm going to get Matt Patricia this weekend who I know I can expose some sort of way too. I just go up on Tom Brady and I go Monday night football with Mike Vick Now Sean Jackson, and I just go to, Josh Gordon, say just run deep and I'm going to throw it up and go grunted Anita. No, I think you know, chance of that happened the Josh mcdaniels practice against Matt, Patricia every single day of his life. Yeah, it's going be. So if you want bet you talked about coordinator of coordinator. Yeah, this weekend. That'll be fun to watch though. That's going to be. Yeah, and they might not have Darius lay their best. And so if they get into if they get the best thing, the the best thing alliance can do is play rope a dope because that's the only chance even though the patriots to me when I watched this patriot team take Fraser, they lack mental toughness on offense. They really don't have it. I mean, they went down in Jacksonville, cattleman, they must amendola. They miss them and they missed a core Brady was going crazy mcdaniels when crazy on the sideline. There's no toughness to this team right now on offense. They don't have. Identity, miss the Lewis. I mean, sunny, Michelle may be a good player, but they don't have that get the ball of Dion, we'll get the drive going. They don't really have that. They don't have James safety valve. James white is a really good catcher of the football. He can't get any yards after the catch. If he has to break a tackle, he's really good player and he's officiant player, but he's not the, he's not a mentally. Tough guide is gonna stir things up, so Josh walks in there, will they get him the ball shore, but you know, they don't run a lot of deepens and they don't want, you know, may think of the routes that adamant and all those guys, Ron. The thing I think where the patriots where the Bella check is thinking and I haven't talked to him. But what I think he's thinking is if we put Josh Gordon out there, somebody's going to have to double his ass or put a guy on. Yes. So as a owed enough, the offense for gronk. Yeah. And the back over the middle of the field, it's right, right. Same as open now because we have it stretch this even if we can't get much out of the guy, someone's gotta go out there and defend them so, and we'll get them the football, but his row tree won't be extensive because he's going to have a hard time learning. The tangos and calls and the checks and Brady sits in their reports. The Mike and rechange is everything at the line of scrimmage, but but that's what I'm saying. Just run deep every time you keep them honest, right. I mean, I I don't. I'm not saying that, you know, that will be that was a long term solution, but just for the idea that every single team now respect the idea that Josh Gordon gonna run forty yards. And maybe that's the way to get him in shape while they will. They'll get him in shape trust, they'll get him in shape. He'll he'll be, he'll be much when he's done here. Yes, soon. He gets through it. He'll be in great shape. Now whether he can, whether he'll, you know, the the row tree that he's going to have to run slants and that stuff. Sure he can do all that will learn it. Yeah, Joshua smart kid like the intelligence. This is does Bryant who's only you know, not gonna learn the system? Yeah, that was one of the conversations before the people talked about dead going, the patriots, but it doesn't change anything. You know what I mean? That's that Josh Gordon is separation. That's what he provides. Exactly. Frazier, like the patriots have enough guys can get covered and they don't need another guy like Brian who's covered all the time, they, they need a guy. Get open and braiding is a guy that can get through the window and it's gonna take some time. And this is the perfect opponent to play because there's nothing map Patricia is going to do with his defense that Tom Brady hasn't seen at the line. That's why I think it's going to be a field day I couldn't for Josh Gordon. I cannot think of a better scenario for you talked about, you know, having a final last chance to see if you really could string this thing out for this to be the first game. He goes, goes up against his defense, Matt Patricia runs for them had already for them to have made that trade in and know that he is expected to play this weekend. I all all signs point to maybe this could be something good for Josh Gordon. I hope that it will be, but we'll see a look. I'm rooting for the kid. I hope the kick and turn his life around. We had a chance to trade him when I was in Cleveland in two thousand thirteen to the forty Niners. We came really close to doing it. I think the public perception, the owner didn't wanna do it. The owner was really convinced that Josh could turn his life around, you know, and so we pulled away it was, I think we could have gotten a second round pick from the forty Niners. I regret doing it. Yeah, we should have done it because I knew then that it was not gonna turn around it. They're all signs pointed then that he didn't love football. Yeah. And his lack of like, when you when look when you have when you have addiction issues, there's no easy cure for that right now. There's no easy cure for that, but you have to create create some other love. Like oftentimes people that are addicts will tell you. They start running five miles every day. They have to do something to get away from their addiction. You know what I mean? I don't know how quite a word this, but that's kind of how it is for the reality of it is Josh's never really has a passion for anything. He's great at football, but I wouldn't say it's his passion. Well, we hope that he can find that passion point and we'll see what happens with the patriots is very interesting move. 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He threw for three hundred twenty six yards. Six touchdowns no picks. Of course I'm talking about Pat Mahomes Lombardi, Pat Mahomes in this Andy Reid. Offense looks pretty unstoppable right now and he said an NFL record. He broke the record set by Peyton Manning Andrew breeze through his first two games. He is thrown ten touchdown passes breezy manning both through nine in the first two games. So Pat Mahomes is now the quarterback of all time. It looks like it could be. I think any reasons, the greatest quarterback. He's one of the great quarterback coaches of this generation by far like it's close. I mean, the guy designs offenses around with the quarterback can do. He's got a unique skill to make the quarterback play better. I mean, our Smith play well forum Donovan McNabb these guys leave Andy and they don't play as FICO, Vic, Michael Vick. I mean the the main even even Nick foles at I play with Jeff Garcia. Yeah. Yeah, so many guys that he is brought into his offense has made them look, I, it's really, he does a great job a call on the game. He sets the game up in look, I'll say this. I mean, Terry Bradshaw has been on Mike Tomlin's. I asked for a while now, you know, he's call him aback coach and I don't. I don't completely agree with Terry. I think Mike really good motivator. But I think Mike lacks that the details at attention and you could see it. I mean, they have penalties galore on their team. They, they don't reroute the receivers. They don't JAMA receiver, their defense, all the details that you have to do when you're playing at the top level, they don't handle and they're given games away. They're like, you know, you've got a defense. They can't stop anybody in Ben's taken. A third, nine shot down the field throws auto balance like you gotta understand who you are as a football team, like we need that. We need to convert, you know, we need to get it. I mean, I said, last Friday, you know, we're talking about this game. They, they had a force Kansas City into a lot of third downs. And so what did they do? Can't city at five third downs for the whole game, five tape ridge. They played Canadian. Football to the highest level. I mean, really they should get the great Cup today. They should get the great Cup. I mean, they played Canadian football to the highest level and that's how you win this whole nonsense. Well, what's best friend for a quarterback in nobody. Nobody's giving us that rhetoric now. Right. Nobody's talking about on the best friend for quarterbacks are running game. No, no, no, no, no. Stop the best friend for quarterback throwing the ball on early downs, and so you stay out of third down. That's the best friend for quarterback, and I'll give you as evidence Patrick Mahomes against Pittsburgh, five third downs, five third downs, and they really took over now. I wanna talk about, you mentioned the everything that Rothlisberger in the Steelers offense is really going through. We still throws afforded fifty two yards. The chiefs defense is horrendous. Horrendous. Oh, you're there for that game was the greatest of all time. You should have just taken everything that you have in your life and bet the that over because nobody's playing nobody's playing, Kansas City won't play offense against you. Not the Jimmy Garoppolo playing. Well, I think Jimmy Garoppolo is not playing. Well, at all, even though we played better this week, I think he's hold onto the ball too long. He's not decisive or accurate, but he will have a good game against his chief defense. Yeah. And I want to ask you, we're going to get around talk about that Shanahan marriage because there is a little bit of back and forth going. There seems like there's a little bit of growing pains, but we're going to get to that, but Rothlisberger and Antonio Brown, Antonio Brown. Someone tweeted at him that if bin Rothlisberger wasn't as quarterback, you know, whatever, whatever he would never be as good as he is yada, yada, yada. He responded to. It said, we'll trade me and we'll see. So this, you got people all up in arms and obviously get juju Smith Schuster guy who's getting a lot of targets and catches for their team. Now, we always had the James. Connor lady on bell says a lot of possibly potential lame duck situations on this offense. A lot of guys wanna get credit for why the offense is so great and Mike Tomlin. How'd you get this in the bud is really the question. You know, I, I was really shocked by the by the Steelers players coming out and Rippin Levy on bell. Rarely does the locker room take sides with management and contract. Hold on. I think that's like undefeated. I don't think there's ever been a case. Where the locker room was defended management. I mean that that's streaks undefeated so you're losing, you know, but this is before they even lost this before the game. So there's there's something in their culture right now. That's not good. There's something in that team that's not good. You know, Ben wants to retire the next thing. You know he wants to play five more years. Like, I don't know what's going on there, but I know there's their details as a football team. Aren't there too many false starts too many holding costs too much too much stuff that affects the game and when you play against a good opponent, and even though you know as great as candy was an offense, can't city at more than ample opportunity to win get. I mean, the Pittsburgh more opportunity oppotunity come back and take it over the. That was my really my main take away from the whole game as much as Mahomes is incredible. He through the six touchdowns and I'm amazed by how often the offense looks at the whole time. You're thinking, well, Pittsburgh is still in this game, and they have a chance to win this game. So you can't really overreact on one side of the football. Right, right. And Mahomes is gonna come back. This is going to be. People are going to study them. They've got two games on them. You gotta have to jam their receivers. You can't let Kelsey run Freetown the field. Against cover three of his high school throats, and this is what Kansas City has done before. I mean, if you wanted to surefire bed every single year Beck hand city, we'd wanted to win because they come out of the season. They're hot, Andy Reid has everyone prepared. And the first we talked about a week one to week five is a different time before we get past that point or we're gonna sue these teams early. And I think Mahomes is great. I think Mahomes I mean, he's going to always be. I mean, there's no limitations on the throws. He may know he can hit every blade of grass on the field which is important and you know, and again, you know, he's, he is a guy that's in the right place at the right time and I don't care. We don't need much more evidence. He's better Mitchell Trubisky undistorted he's better than we don't need any more evidence. He's better. I'm gonna have to edit that out, but now we're gonna get to a guy in a really good situation, and that is fits magic himself. That is Ryan Fitzpatrick. He is the phone for eight touchdowns and also rush, rush for a touchdown in their first two games is the first time. The bucks have been to annot since two thousand and ten that has been quite some time and they take down the. Defending champions. We see OJ Howard we see Mike Evans. We all these options. We see to Sean Jackson. We see Ryan Fitzpatrick put onto shown Jackson's close after the game and do as Conor McGregor impersonation. Everything looks like it's going well in Tampa Bay, and I have to ask you is Ryan Fitzpatrick the quarterback of the buccaneers now. Well, yeah, I think he has to stay as the starter I wrote about that too. I think I think he has to. He's been to productive for him to lose a starting job. I mean, first of all, he's he's playing out beyond his own me. I mean, there's going to be a mean regression here when I was a kid growing up as you know, I am a die-hard seventy, six fantasy painful existence. I, I would watch the Sixers play the Celtics and I wanted Larry Bird to be hot in the first quarter. I want him to make shots in the first quarter. I'd care if they got up forty two twenty. You know because I knew I knew in the fourth quarter, he would be hot. There would have to balance the numbers because you have to write. It's just just that's why we have percentages. What's the mean return to the main main regression? So there's going to have to be a main regression for Fitzpatrick and if the eagle. The tackled OJ Howard and they had ample opportunity arrives MRs may there's a horrendous thing. They get them on the ground. All they need is one tackle and they're probably going to win that game. Instead they give up too many big plays and it costs them. The eagles to me is fascinating story. I mean when Doug Peterson and Bill check met at halftime of the field Bella checks, first thing he said to him was man. It's hard to find any tape you guys behind in a game. That's the first thing Belichick said and it's true. They played from infront the whole year. They only through one hundred eighteen passes last year trailing in games. One hundred eighteen. They thrown Seventy-nine already. This year tape Frazier, they have yet to score in the first quarter in two games. So they're not the same team. And then when you watch them on defense, that defensive front isn't as they miss Jernigan badly, this journey badly. And so they can't control the game. They're secondary. Jalen mills can't cover you or me. They can't cover. They gave up six hundred thirteen yards of the Super Bowl in twenty six minutes that ain't covered anybody, right? But what they can do is. Affect the passing game through their defensive line. And right now, they're defensive line. Fletcher. Cox got a sack, but they're defensive line. Got tired. You know, I think not a play. The Fletcher Cox not have played the most place last week. I think not played like thirty four plays Michael better. Play twenty seven. So when they're playing a lot of plays, they're gonna get tired and they don't have the same depth that they had last year in the defensive front. Those guys aren't as good as last year step. They miss many curry to a degree. They missed those guys. So I think that being said, I think Tampa are lovely story, but like like Kansas City tempest defense is atrocious. And I mean the defense, they have a bunch of rookie defensive backs that are out there playing. So so so so Carlton Davis MJ store. Jordan Whitehead, all those guys are out there. So there was rookie guys having to step up and play big minutes. So eventually that will, as we said rookies will be rookies at some point favorites on the road this week, and the Steelers show in two and their two an hour. I mean, think about that tape regime, but I think that's the best thing about Fitzpatrick though is that he has said and all these interviews when they've talked to him, not necessarily this week, but before said he knows that I have, you know, he's off thrown five touchdown passes in a game, but I've also thrown five picks in a game. I know who I am. I know when I'm hot, I know if I'm not hot and this year I'm just trying to once I see that I'm not. I'm trying to protect the football, but if I am hot, I'm gunning. So at least there is an acknowledgement of who he is. I mean, I've seen it before when he's gal. He's had these four touchdown pays never had a five. He said one six and he's had a bunch of fours and, but there's gonna, but he's never averaged. There's only been five times in his cruise average over ten yards per attempting games. And two of them have now happened with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers yet. So there's going to be an an actually. One of them happened the first game he ever started when he played against the Houston, Texas Houston Texans when he was playing for the ramps. So there's and that was in two thousand and four, I think. So there's been a huge gap in between this is a big sample size here, Ryan Fitzpatrick at eventually it's going to come back to me. I just, you know, what? Can it go against Pittsburgh? I mean, look, could there be a better team to play? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. He just keep it rolling for now. And then I think the real question will be if James comes back ad, they are three zero four to whatever it is. And then what is the trait? What are the market for James? They wanna get rid of James. I don't forsee James being very excited about playing behind Ryan, Patrick, but the teams have leaned into Fitzpatrick. I mean, there's a lot of question marks that will come down to a team that is actually doing really well. They milley estimated question the other day. She's like she said, how smart was the ESPN Monday night crew to have Tampa a third preseason game. I'm like, yeah, I would've never like I would have never done that. I would have never done that Tampa versus Pittsburgh third Monday night. Like, that's that. That's pretty. It's pretty crafty, I gotta give him that, you know, Purdue game pretty good pick for that game, right? Yeah, absolutely. And we're definitely excited tune in for that one more note on the eagles we Jason Peters, Mike Wallace boquete banged up Peter says, and finished a game yet at Mike Wallace's got a broke his fibula now. But the other thing we haven't talked about with the humidity out for the year. Right? That's that's the fibula you can come back from that Wallace's, not amid they missed out Sean Jeff. They don't have any skill on the outside. This is going to be the biggest challenge for Carson Wentz as he comes back is. Where is the skill coming from? You know, I really thought the eagles monetary for Josh board. That was one of the they call. I think there were ten, yeah, months I call it about. I know there was somebody said ten teams, but if you trade Josh Gordon for a fifth and get back a seventh, and you also get back another seven if he doesn't play for ten games, there really wasn't a good offer on the table. So so there might have been ten teams that called there wasn't ten offers on the table because the one thing fans have to understand is most of the time ninety nine point nine percent of the time in free agency. There's only two teams competing for one player that's usually is never three or four. That's always just media talk. Okay. And there's never more than three teams competing for now. I think there were for MAC. There were a lot, right? Yeah, but in this case I Don, I think ten teams called, but I don't think anybody was going to put a firm pick on the table. It seemed like as far as specifics of the deals that were coming out, it seemed like the forty Niners routine really had interest and they need them because the reason garoppolos hold the balls, they can't get anybody. Exactly. And then some Marcus Goodwin bad Dallas was the other team that came up at Dallas in the call, but Dallas has a team that's gonna leak that just good PR for them. And then the patriots were the other team in the branches into making the deal with the get back to the eagles once coming back this week. I mean there's not a lot of skill on the eagles on the outside. MAC, Collins's and dressing Jeffries not healthy, ready to go. They're not the same team. They don't have. They don't have Tori twice. Myth Torrey Smith from last year, right? So they don't have him either. They missed some speed on the outside. They're not the same unit offensively, and so I think that's affected. So it's gonna be interested. See whence play now without a lucky. He's got to be careful mobility. There's no denying that how he handles that if these receivers can't get open, especially when they're planning against the team, that's going to play some some straight up man to man. And that is a very interesting game him verse Andrew luck because we're going to get all the commentary about is this guy, one hundred percent. How is you know that that whole game will be us, you know, over analyzing every little thing that happens with Carson Winston, Andrew luck. So get ready for that. Andrew. Luck play good last week. I mean, look, I think there's somebody told me I need to talk about like a sleeper player every week, and I'm gonna give you one right now. The colts drafted this kid from South Carolina state Darius Leonard in the second round. He's linebacker last week. He was one of the best players on the field against Washington. He made almost every tackle created sacks. He was outstanding. You watch the game tape of him, and he was really, really good player and that cold defense fly. So the football, they're fast. They're not going to be a madman team. We're gonna play the Tampa scheme gonna play the Dallas Tampa type scheme, but they can run the football and they're going to lock those receivers down to Philly when they have to because they did it to Washington last week. We'll talk about a team that has no problem locking up any any opposing receiver in no problem talking about it, and that is the Jackson Jaguars. And of course Jalen Ramsey leads that defense. They took on the New England Patriots this week. I was the class of the NFL for the past decade, possibly more. The Jacksonville Jaguars made it pretty big statement. Blake Bortles goes and gets four touchdown passes out there to the world people very excited about that. I'm sure Blake Bortles. Facts will pick that up and we also get it without litter for net, I mean, without four net in the backfield and to see, Blake Bortles do this. I mean, does that devalues about dividing the back -sition Blake Bortles he basically you right into the trap Leonard for nets injury was a good injury for the giants of to have this week. Yes, because Elden because the patriots have a hard time with horizontal vertical lateral quickness, their defense is slow. They can't handle this field sprint when you make them defend the width of the field. Okay. End the vertical -ness of the field, they get into problems. But when they can play back like for net and they know the balls really gonna come from tackle box tackle box. It plays into their strength and then they know that twenty five to thirty of those plays at the that is on the annual hack. It's play sheet far runs for four that. So that takes a lotta time away from them exploiting the weakness of the patriot defense. It was the perfect storm for Jacksonville. I think for nets are really good player. But in this matchup in this specific matchup for nets, not the perfect back. The perfect back was grant. The perfect back was yelled, make them defend the field, get Blake, and in read options, get him to force the patriots to have to play a space game and then take advantage of it. I think the thing that was amazing about this game was, yeah. I mean, Blake Bortles facts is going to have a tough time a lot of work law enforcing through this one and Blake play good through the one interception, but he played really well made some great throws coal mates, some incredible, but this game not a lot of people are Josh wells. The backup left tackle when in for Cam Robinson, in the middle of the second first first-quarter at he owned the patriots. He played as well like you like usually when you lose your left tackle and they have for the season. Yeah, it's going to be a problem. Like that's one of those injuries that you have a hard time overcoming those did it last year with vita would over there. He got through it. You know, we lost Nate solar in two thousand. Sixteen when I was there it with the patriots and and really at the end of the day, we really never really overcame it, but you try to, but it's hard, it's there ain't left tackle just walking on the street. So you know, and this kid went and Josh was one of the game and he blocked them like the believe. And so to me, that was a great match for by not having for that. It was a great match up for Jacksonville in the game. And I think that's really why the and they dominated look, they kicked New England's. I ask them, they were more physical than New England and they were tougher. They control the line of scrimmage and coal Westbrook all those those those specialist guys they had on the outside. Just no Pash. They miss flowers and pastures. They couldn't win the game inside and it became an the most concerning thing. And I talked about this in the Josh Gordon's segment like there was no toughness out of patriot offense. There was no toughness at all. There was no, we're going to get after you, they, you know, right now they're behind where they usually are. Let's talk about a guy that the game is behind him at this point and he decided that it halftime. That was that was the the biggest story. I'm still waiting to hear the exact breakdown of how it all went down. I, I love that vaunted Davis had had tweeted back in two thousand thirteen never to quit anything. I said that I think he left. He did not quit Bevanda gets out of their halftime. The Buffalo Bills. I mean, it's just a more of a large or larger conversation about what what is really going on in buffalo. This vaunted news comes out, you know, people were upset. People were talking about how they found out specifically in the locker room and and just overall just McDermott's putting up with a lot as a team that would playoffs last year. But this team is in complete disarray right now. It really is. And frankly. You know, the more I look at the bills they should've kept tyrod Taylor or is it how to rod Terada. I know mealy keeps corrected me every time torot they should've kept. Toronto should be the starting quarterback in buffalo and Baker Mayfield should be the star quarterback inclu because at least with Toronto, they could manage the game, Josh Allens not ready to plays all over the place with the ball. He's inaccurate. He can't control the past. You know, too many negative plays. He can't overcome them. Does sec five time. It's just it's just so balls down, right? So they would be much better. They should have held onto tyrod Terada and Baker should be starting in Cleveland because really, what are they getting out of out of Taylor in Cleveland that Baker couldn't give them. I mean, seriously, it's to me. It's the most ridiculous thing. I just hold onto the ball really trying to possession. I like to me, they're better off growing with Mayfield and having him in there and the bills. They should train them back because that's the trade for James or trade for James well, but they can't. They got, yeah, but look, I'm saying this we have to officially call advance Davis data. Cutty from the wire. Okay. 'cause the game just wasn't in them anymore that he just quit and you know, it would be nice. I'm watching the tape of the game, and I see them make a tackle in the first half and I'm like, didn't he quit? Like I Don on me that literally he was actually competing and then stopped competing. Yeah, I think they wanted to make some adjustments in his IRA. Well, is here it is. I'm out when you retire. When you retire, whatever bonus money he got from the bills to sign their. He gave back all you got to pay him back out. Oh, you got pay it back out like this is not coming off cheap here. That's what I was saying. I wondered. I mean, if under contract you can't just signing bonus. If I give you a five minute halftime. Five give you a five million dollar signing bonus. Right? It's pro rate and I give you a five year contract that that signing bonus is pro-rated over those five years. So if you miss any, so that's divided by five times sixteens divide every game that you missed for suspension or for something that you do, you owe that money back to. Yup. Okay. And so he's he on all them so coin. We'll see what happens. We're, we're thinking of you've onto a, we're, we're gonna miss you from the game. He's had some great moments been been through some tough situations, colts dolphins, bills, you know, that's his three teams that he played for his career, but he's also had some very hilarious, and it's a very spectacular moments that he was a great football player for quite some time. Let's talk about the big story of the weekend, and that is the lack of specialists in the lack of success on special teams in the lack of kicking so much of the damn Bailey guy was waiting for contender to come after and give them a call Minnesota Vikings, do give him that call Dan Bailey, not gonna join Mike Zimmer, Minnesota team. But just overall, in general, we saw the Browns have struggled with just across the board after the Brown kid they had to cut that kid was aimed at the end of the days. Ain't Gonzales. The end of the day. It really like, this is what everybody's missed the point on the Browns game. Okay. The kid missed the extra point that which would have put them in the lead, but the Browns defense allowed the saints to move back down the field again. Okay. And Sean Payton did a blunder. I mean, he should have run the ball once he was field goal range to reduce any chance for for them to come back into the game. And so that kid didn't lose the game for the Browns that kid didn't lose the game at all for the Browns. I mean, maybe if he makes a field goal at the end, I think that's probably right, but they had to make the decision. I think damn belly to the smart thing. 'cause call since kick when you watch the tape of that game, like they weren't even in the same area. Coattail Frazier Lahia wasn't like, oh, he just missed it like like they were like twenty feet over like it wasn't even close like the best for as they ask Mike Zimmer, they said bikes ever. You know, what was that decision like to cut your kickers as the easiest? What I've made there like, why did you did you see the product? Yeah. Is these decision I've ever made a cut him. I, I mean choice, right? I mean, the people of other gives him sympathy. Zimmer does not play in between the goalposts. Maybe fans should have helmets in case they get hit. Watch out. Like if Corson's kicking, they're going to have to give it from the hash marks out, read it out, like the numbers out. Yes, it was dangerous. I mean, I've never seen it. It was so bad. John wall even said that he thought he thought he'd be kicked better than that. He was putting services out there. So if you got NBA players thing, they could be kickers in the NFL that was not look. I, it's just a byproduct of of where we are that the extra points to can't make on the guys like the raiders that even block one guy just walked in and you know like that's really when you're a coach in the NFL where your coaching college or even in highschool. You always should tell your team. I'm evaluating you more on the field goal rush after an extra point that anything like who shows effort on that play is the true competitor. That's the true competitor and the raider game. I mean, it's the half the right side of the line and even block anybody. I mean, the Broncos just walked in and batted it down. It was like volleyball and we're going to get in that conversation again with Jon Gruden and you know the hundred million dollar man going into everyone's all up actually thought the raiders play better. That's what I thought. I mean, the Democrats are plan these home games and, and that's, I mean, it's nice advantage to play in the Mojo city case keenum was horrible. He kept brought him down the field that may. But I mean he if they think. Keenum's going to lead them to victory. Good luck. I don't think so. I don't think they've bought into the to. I think the raiders will have a better record at the end of the year. Then Denver will, I mean at least got car to throw the ball down the field, at least he got him in there to hang in there because he gets rid of the ball to quick. You know, I think Bruce Arians has been great on television, Brian Schottenheimer to go down there and be his offense coordinator and tell them to hold onto the ball and makes them throw. I mean, he just holds the ball to it wouldn't hold the ball. He's got that ally, Manny get it out of my hand. Quick. Speaking of that, let's talk about that. Talk about that for two seconds like NBC's watching, Eli manning go, eleven plays twenty three yards, and we don't have the conversation about maybe it could be over for win, win win, will that camera there must have been a memo passed out that you're not allowed to bad mouth. The quarterback voice throwing it forty, four times the that's the other thing. I'm all I'm all in for, you know, this is going to be saquon team and all that sort of stuff that they're trying to put out to the world. But if you want, man is going to throw it forty four times. I mean, it is not saquon Barkley team. You know what I mean? It still look Sakon. It's going to be. A great player. I don't deny that, but he has eight negative. The giants is a football team, eight negative Russia's already the season eight. They've got eight sacks. There's something from John sort another from Wayne Goldman, they nothing for Barclay really in the running. This is it all starts with the quarterback. It's not going to change until they chased. Look. We set it all off season on GM street that the giants are living a delusional life. They're living in past. Remember when as corden Tony soprano is the lowest form of conversation and the giants are remembering. Wendy lie was good. That's all. I'm gonna say, I'm dot. They're still living the dream of Eli manning. I wanna get one more note before we get on and and moved to the award for the weaker and take one quick break. But before that, when I asked you about the Cam Newton hit, that was the the big story line of this Atlanta falcon game. Cam takes a big shot. No suspension will come from this. A lot of people down in Carolina, as I know, are very upset about this. I didn't think it was his bam when you watch the replay as it impure life live when I saw live and I was I was at a. Wow, I thought he was really injured on the way he got up. I was the replay didn't look as now. Obviously it was bad. And you know, when you slo MO and I'm sitting on, I'm sitting over Tony p's drinking, you know, easy. But I, I didn't think it was as bad or as a grievous as appeared when I saw it live. But if you're going to be, you know, for playing this whole project, the quarterback game, if you're the NFL isn't as easy, just give this guy. One game suspension in everyone knows not to do this because now it gets into the that's what the Panthers fans. And it seemed like Rivera, I mean, he said roof, right? Yeah, that's the problem. Now they, the one thing about there is no precedent that's been the NFL is is is better than any in there. The Warren commission would comes to that visual proof. I mean, there's just their incredible. I mean, they create a visual proof that Tony Toronto was right on the clay. Matthew sit. I can't see it. They can see. I mean they could see stuff. They obviously never saw shooter underneath the underneath the the unit underneath the span and in Dallas on on in nineteen sixty three. So they're good. They can do that, right. Yeah, they can invent it so they could just make. Anything they want as they go along. I mean, there's clay Matthews. I don't know what he could possibly dumb with his body. Like I really don't know. What would you like me to do with my body when I'm tackling this? Like what would you like me to do with in von Miller went on ESPN and they were asking about that play, and he was like, I'm not trying to defend other people, but I'm just saying that what what am I supposed to do? Unless there's a roll out just okay, like I'm going to lose thirty pounds in a second here and get off my body heat. I mean, come on and that ended up leading down to the drive. K. Park Avenue they could give crap. They, you know, they don't care. They're going to all they care about in Park Avenue is making sure they're on that five o'clock, Trey. Yep, that's all they give. You know the all on that night trying to get home. That's all they care about wins and losses said, no big deal. That's galleys ties right now. They don't care. When's the Los? It's your fault. Maybe we make some kicks. We want to have some ties. All right. We're gonna take one more break here when it come back and want to give our awards for the week. One more quick break to talk about seek buying tickets can be complicated and confusing, but there's a simpler way to buy with Seekie seek is the smartest easiest way to get tickets to every type of live event. Whether you're catching your favorite musician, tour shopping for the perfect gift or searching for a last minute deal to see your favorite team Seekie helps you find the best seats at the best prices fully guaranteed. 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And we are back in this is our favorite are probably our favorite part of the podcast when we get to give out our awards for the weekend, get to talk through everything I up time to go on the Lam, which is of course a reference to get out of town. Russia's tug. Thank you. Thanks. Do getting your luggage, the Buffalo Bills, or they own the land. Lombardi, they gotta be. I mean, look, the span I feel bad. I like Sean McDermott as a coach. I thought he did a great job last year. Their team is they don't have a quarterback that can actually function and it's affected everything else when their team. I mean they traded Taylor, they should not trade. They should've kept telling for one more year, like they would be better with talent, not the tellers, the answer, but he would allow them a bridge to get to Josh Allen, who I'm not sure it's going to be the answer because he's so inaccurate. I mean his all over the place with his ball, and you know, I know he's going to work with all the gurus and all that. But. George with though, when you say what he does not have control the football, he does not have it and buffalo defensively, they can't play good and the red area. They can't turn the ball over. Those are the two Staples that they live last year. It's bad. It's bad. They're not. They're not very good. They are not very good enough. It's good for the rest of the AFC. Speaking of the FCC. Let's talk about the Fred Palermo award and that is all about preparation. I thought Miami did it this week, Miami. I don't think Miami's a great team. I thought they would be one of the worst teams in the league this shit, and they want to game so far. But I thought Miami, didn't. You know people? I always say this, you can't win until you avoid losing and people say, well, Lombardi, that's so obvious. Okay. It's so fricking obvious. Why don't you tell Pittsburgh? Okay, because all Pittsburgh does everything they've done is just lose. Okay. And the jets in that game, everything they did in that game was lose. They turn the ball over the fumble, you know, give up panel. Everything they did at Miami, didn't look pretty at all how many Miami second in the NFL in having the most negative plays by an offense. Okay. But yet they're, they punt the ball. They'd not turn into thing over his game. Phil, Phil position also feel position game. They've played it well, their defenses made enough stop. So for me, you know, they went into New York, they beat they beat a team with really a simple game plan and they were able to execute it. They stop. They stopped the jets from running the football which you know you want the quarterback to have some balance, right? Forty. One passes for Sam. Darnold is not going to cut. It was specially when he's a young guy if they're not throwing around I down. So to me, I thought Miami deserves props for that. And I will say Tanta hill has been great at just controlling the game as far as being able to run the ball. I mean he's a, he had like forty four, forty, five, rushing yards in like that and through one hundred sixty eight yards. Two touchdowns I've been impressed with tan. He'll just basically he's game is a game managing typewriter. Do I think this week will be a challenge for them against Oakland? 'cause I think Oakland will tax them in a much better with, you know, gruden's coming off a plan, Denver, which is the same scheme that they run in Miami. So he's kind of had like Valverde. Yep, surfing. It'll be interesting game. Let's get up to the KGB. The award the team to get duped this weekend who got Lombardi, it's going to be the reds skits by far the Redskins are the most front running team I've ever seen in my life. I mean, first of all, the Sadri Peterson thing, everybody talking about how he comes back. He can't gain a yard Washington kick their Washington, got their ass kicked up front on both sides of the live. They really did. Now. They don't have any skill. They signed tube receivers. I signed Perryman today this. I'm Michael Floyd, the skill, the receivers as bad. Alex Smith was taking the check down like it was nobody's job even the tops and got. I think he had like thirteen fourteen him and he li- Hindi lower. We're going to compete for who's gonna take the check down faster. But I mean they got, you know, I mean, Indianapolis came into the opening drive right down the field. They score, they executed. They played with a high tempo. I think Washington is so inconsistent. And if they like they play Green Bay this week, if they get the lead early, they're gonna front, run it. But if they ain't in the lead, they're not. And you know, Josh Norman try to cover t, y, Hilton. He couldn't cover, he could cover t y. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I mean, you look at Andrew luck. You talk about. He's got good options right now that he really relies Ibran into Hilton or both playing really well. They're both get in the end zone and MAC and Heinz. The two running backs. I really like more scat backs in the art. They need a power back in Indianapolis, but for the most part, those guys played good. I Washington's team, you know, I thought they would lose Arizona. 'cause I thought this is who they are like so inconsistent and they went out there and they won, but they're so inconsistent. I mean, there's the details, everything about them, their offensive line play like crap. Last week, I I thought they gotta do, but the good news is the NFC is why. When you look, you look around there, you do look at the giants. Look at the Cowboys, the eagles the Redskin every single team is very back and forth down ebbs and flows except for the giants. Yes, which is just went, says, coming back, which could separate the whole thing. Can't tell my courage for my desperation. We're gonna talk about the patriots right. Taking this move, Josh Gordon. I think the patriots are. I think the patriots were desperate to make the move. I think they had to are. They have no skill on the outside, I think might might Greece's been keeping track of the transactions on wide receivers and early. You could do a thirty for thirty on how why the receiver situation in New England is is the way it is and it's could be it's not a half hour documentary. It's at least an hour. Documentary. Perfect. And it starts with really this thing and and we can talk about it next week. But the reason it's so difficult is because Brady has been there for so long. So every year the playbook grows to Brady, and so it's now just think of it as this way. It's now three Manhattan phone directories. We phone directories from, we run up until you don't have meant. I know what they are. Okay, so we're gonna. We still have those things like huge. So when rookie comes in, he's gotta learn like four volumes of of this whole. It's just it's hard. Even veterans have a hard time learn. And you can't scale back. 'cause Brady aints. Scallon back. He's going for. They have no skill on the outside they missed with with they missed with Brit. They miss what Jordan Mathews they missed, what some guys in the off season. Patterson is what we said he was. He's not going to be able to live on the outside and play consistently enough, you know. So they had to make this move. And now we're going to see if they're courageous or desperate. I think if you can't tell my Kurt from desperation, we know that the the the patriots will take a chance and Bill Belichick and Tom. Already kin Beato. They've made magic work before visited why they have September September. They figure out who they are as a team, they modify they adjusted and they go for the receiver thing they'll get back that'll help. But they better figure out a way to get the team tougher on offense. And final one, if you don't know. Now, you know, I think her cousins proves that everybody. He's really good. I mean, I know last week he, you know, when I said this in a pot on Friday, bad lines, don't travel well, and Minnesota is not a great line right now, but they do enough to help them. But I think Kirk cousins has played well. I mean, there was a couple of opportunities to Packers had some dropped. Interceptions could've made the game a lot easier, especially they got the, you know, the the penalty helped him. But I think cousins is really good player. And I think if you compare cousins to Alex Smith, he's a better player. Now Smith, I don't care what anybody says. And so I think cousins is a good player. I think Minnesota's got a good team and I think cousins gonna make them better. I think dalvin cook is back. I think he's insatiable. He can impact the passing game. And now then you gotta know his Alvin Kamara is one of the best players I watched all. I mean, he's just so much fun to watch. You do so much in the so different things in the passing game in the run game. So those are the two things. Those are the two things in my final thing is tug girly. Let the man continue to go for these two point conversions. It is a modern marvel. A is changing the game of football all the time. I mean, nobody's gonna stop them for two yards. Hey, look, here's the, he's unstoppable. The one thing they know about the Rams is if again, if you wanna bet on a game and there's a high point, spread the Rams never take their foot off the gas, never. They're never gonna take it out. They're gonna keep doing their thing. Even after the game, they said that the offense was about a BB plus they, they weren't quite where they wanted to be. Now they're going to the wasn't even close whatever that was, you know, I mean, it wasn't even close. So I think to me, you know, that's a good sign. You know, the Rams. The thing you got to like about the Rams is they're not just a good team on paper anymore. They're good team on the field. Absolutely. And we'll keep an eye on them. We will be back Friday per usual. We're going to do all of Lombardi's five picks for the weekend three into this weekend four and one the first weekend. We're going to get. into week three this week in and hopefully try to get a hundred percent. We need it. Appreciate everyone listening as always and again, see on Friday. Fan, dole football season is underway, and that's why I'm excited to be playing on fan duel fan too, has never been more fun or easy is the place to play if you're not a fantasy expert fan Doha's something for everyone, and there are more ways to win than ever before like they're gridiron pick 'em contests every single week. 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