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229: Pick a Plan and GET AFTER IT. Any Good Plan Executed Boldly is Better Than Indecision. General Omar Bradley

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229: Pick a Plan and GET AFTER IT. Any Good Plan Executed Boldly is Better Than Indecision. General Omar Bradley

"This is Jaakko podcast number. Twenty nine with Echo Charles and me. Jaakko willink good evening echo good evening? Leadership means firmness not harshness or bullying understanding not weakness justice erase the freedom humaneness not intolerance generosity not selfishness pride. Not Egotism so little quote for you kick things off. This is coming very I ran across it the other day and as I ran across it I saw some of little bit of the dichotomy leadership in there and it just caught my attention. And it's a quote General Omar Bradley General with a good amount of name recognition but a general who kind of flew under the radar sometimes because he was competing with some some big names. You know he's competing with General Patton. He's compete with General Eisenhower. He's competing with General Montgomery so he kind of flew under the radar sometimes even though he does have the Bradley fighting vehicle named after him which is a awesome machine but he absolutely was a well regarded general in his own right born in eighteen. Ninety three in Randolph County Missouri worked as a boilermaker figured out he could get a free education by going to west point so he went to West Point graduated in Nineteen fifteen same years. Eisenhower by the way he was a really good athlete. Baseball Star could've played pro ball but chose to be in. The army chose to go and do his commitment to the army. One thousand nine hundred fifteen. You're probably thinking World War. One W W well. He actually didn't go to World War One and World War One. There were mining disputes in the unions in the in the minds up in Montana and they had to activate some army units to send them up there to guard the minds. And that's what he did. He did that for a little while. And then he did go to unit that was getting ready to deploy to World War One. The Spanish flu came which everyone seems to know about the Spanish flu. Now and there then there was the armistice and he didn't deploy so he didn't get any combat action in World War. One thought that that might hurt his career but he stayed in anyways ended up teaching tactics at the infantry school fast forward through the peace years may general in one thousand nine hundred forty two assigned the eighty second division the Twenty Eighth National Guard division eventually worked under General Patton as the deputy in charge of Second Corps and then took it over himself led the campaigns in Tunisia and Sicily. Ike Eisenhower selected Bradley to command the First Army during Operation Overlord D Day Command. He commanded the most troops of any general. Us General in history when he took command of the twelfth on weaker. One point three million troops to little decentralized command. Better come into play right there. Continue with all those troops to push through Europe until the fall Germany. We covered Ernie. Pyle on this podcast. Podcast number thirty nine. His book brave men. It was the heavies for my favor. Lines Ernie pyle nicknamed him the G. I. General because he was kind of a laid back down to Earth Guy didn't make a spectacle of himself. After the war he ran the VA for a while. The Veterans Administration I ever chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. During the Korean War retired in nineteen fifty-three after thirty eight years of service I found day. The Internet is amazing. I found any evaluation. You know we talk about the evaluations evaluation in the Marine Corps evaluation the navy evaluation. I found an evaluation of Bradley written by General Patent. Pretty cool because it shows it shows what type of a person patent was just in the way he wrote this thing so it says subject efficiency report through commanding general NATO USA APO five thirty four to add adjutant General War Department Washington DC name and grade of General Officer reported on Omar F Bradley Lieutenant General Period covered one July nineteen forty three to eight September nineteen forty two months in eight days duties performed commanding general to core one July nineteen forty three to eight September nineteen something unclear manner of performance superior F- Physical Activity Superior Physical Endurance Superior Knowledge of his profession superior for what command or duty would you specifically recommend him and army and then what opportunities have you had for observing him during period covered intimate daily contact. Does he rendered a willing and generous support to plans of superiors regardless of personal views. In the matter yes which is a very interesting topic to cover mean you think about what they've got in their physical duty not knowledge of his profession. What job would you recommend? Does he give generous supports to plans of superiors regardless of his personal views. No matter so this guy's going to back you up. The answer is yes and ten of all general officers of his grade. Personally known to you. What number would you give him on this list? And how many comprise your list and patterns answer is number one. I know all of them. Further remarks deemed necessary. None signed G. S. junior lieutenant general. Us Army commanded. So that's pretty awesome review. The interesting thing is if you know anything about the history of Bradley and Patton. There's some interesting dynamics. They first of all had very different personalities. Patent was you know flashy and go ego driven in a lot of ways and and Bradley was not and there's some quotes I pulled from patents journal Journals About Bradley. So it's interesting that he can have these right in that glowing like evaluation about him to try and get him promoted but at the same time here are some things he said about him. Bradley's to Conservative. He wants to wait until we can all jump into the fight together. By which time half our men will be. We'll have the flu trench foot. I wish he had a little more daring. Another one. Bradley is a good offer. Buddy utterly lacks it too bad. The IT Factor Echo Charles. Next one brag is a man of great mediocrity on the other hand. He has many attributes which are considered desirable. In general. He wears glasses which I have no idea I have no idea why. That's cool to be a general glasses. He has a strong jaw. He talks profoundly and says little and he is a shooting companion of our present chief of Staff. General Marshall also. He is a loyal man. I consider him to be among our better generals and we had quite a long talk and I told Bradley a lot of my best ideas to tell General Marshall I suppose I should have kept them to myself but I am not built that way. The sooner they are put into effect the better it will be for army so every little little plant the seed leading up the chain of command right there and then he says it was really a great plan hopefully my own and I made Bradley believe that he thought of it. That's exactly what I talk about the plant the seed. Let them think it's on idea but because it's patenting because you've got a little bit that ego that kicks in he. He also wrote this. I do not wish any more of my ideas to be used without credit to me. Which is what happens when I give them orally to Bradley. How's that for short sighted? That's sad to read little bit Saturday. Read this is another one. Where ego gets the best of patent he says. Courtney Hodges and Omar Bradley both received a distinguished service medal for their unsuccessful defence of the bulge. I did not receive one for successfully defending it so clearly. These guys had a a an interesting relationship General Bravi also wrote a book. And it's from what I gather. His decamp did most of the writing. Which I'm not saying that's a horrible thing because writing is is a mechanical thing that you have to do and if you can get someone to catch your ideas and do it well then. It's fine but the book was released in Nineteen Fifty one. It's called a soldier's story. It's six hundred page. Book details his experiences in the army. Obviously especially in World War. Two and I'm sure we'RE GONNA cover that book at some point. We're not doing today. But you know when I after that quote about him and just talking about leadership and kind of the dichotomies that are there. I remember this short piece that I haven't got a bunch of these little short things in a certain file folder in my computer to I've been collecting for a long time. What's the name of the file it's books and PDF's have this thing books and pdf's that I just download save him in a books and PDF's we've got a lot of them we've covered a bunch of them to on this podcast? So I this one of his and it is called leadership general of the Army Omar and Bradley this articles first published in Winter Nineteen seventy-two of parameters. Which is the magazine of the. Us Army War College Editors Know General to the Army Omar and Bradley visited Carlisle Barracks. Seven to eight October. Nineteen seventy-one to meet with members of the Twelfth Army Group Association. While he was at Carlisle he dressed the army war. College Faculty and students on the subject of leadership address contain observations that were gleaned during a long and significant career. A careful reading of his remarks give us some gives us some insight into the qualities that made General Bradley Great Soldier in human being that he is general. Bradley's thesis is that leadership is an intangible that involves a constant interplay between the leader and the lead when this interplay is successful. We have the ingredients for great accomplishment. So there you go kicking into all of you here this evening our leaders. I am pleased to meet you. What you do. May Well dignify the past explained today and secure for all of us tomorrow. Perhaps I can touch upon a few factors that will underscore the value of good leadership. Leadership is an intangible no weapon no impersonal piece of machinery. Ever designed can take its place. It's an interesting idea that leadership is intangible ever heard that expression that somebody asked for the definition of pornography and the Supreme Court justice said. I can't give you a definition but I know when I see it something like that. It's a weird thing right because leadership if you're going to define it specifically it's Kinda the same answer right look. I can't tell you exactly what it is but I know it when I see it. You See Different. People do it differently. Yeah and you can see to two different people. Say Do the same thing but be like. Hey this guy is leading in the night and you know he's doing something else. Yeah there's in leadership strategy and tactics I I give someone talking about pride and the same. The same sentence about pride depending on. Who's saying it and what context it is can be negative or positive. Yeah for instance that. Guy's full of pride right or that guy full of pride you know what I mean like. That's the same sentence but two completely different things. Yeah so continuing on. This is the age of the computer by the way this nineteen seventy-one and if you know how to program the machine you can get quick and accurate answers but how can you include leadership and morale which is affected by leadership into your programming. Let us never forget the great importance of this element leadership and while we use computers for certain answers. Let us not try to fight a whole war or even a single battle without giving proper consideration to the element of leadership. Leadership is the most boring thing on the battlefield. Your little calculator over there. We're going to be covering a podcast shortly about the creation of top gun and same thing. There's some people that would do the calculations of this. This aircraft I is that aircraft and this aircraft is superior craft. It will win. How many times is that wrong? What do they not calculated not calculating the human element? How many times have you watched a UFC fight where on paper everyone thought personnel was GonNa win and person B? Wins because the human element in they don't calculate it. Yeah so how? Can we expect to calculate what's going to happen in combat without trying to figure out what implication leadership has on it her continue on another element to be considered is the man to be led and with coups morale? We are concerned. I've constantly reminded of this point by a cartoon which hangs over my desk at home which depicts an infantryman with his rifle across his knees sits behind a parapet above him is the list of the newest weapons. Science has devised the news. Weapons Science has devised and the soldier behind. The parapet is saying but they still haven't found out the substitute for me. So there's a human beings of course we this particular group of service personnel. I am considering leadership as it applies to a military unit however having been associated with industry for some time now I find it difficult to completely separate the principles of military and industrial leadership. They have much in common and he retired in nineteen fifty three nineteen seventy-one he worked with some companies. I know he was the chairman of Bova. Bova say below watch company B. U. L. VA below ver- Boulevard He was chairman of that. So that's a big company so he understood the same thing that we now know to be true. And that's a strong statement that I say yes I did. We know to be true. I couldn't have told you this. Ten years. The day I retired from the from the Navy I couldn't have told you that military and civilian leadership. I couldn't have answered that question. I didn't know it. I didn't know the answer until I started working with civilian companies that I said. Oh these are the same. The same principles employed both situations. And that's what Omar Bradley saying here. He says they have much in common. They have more than much. They have a lot in common. I'd go so far as to say that everything in common but there's differences but I'll tell you the differences between leading an army platoon leading Marine Corps platoon. Those little differences. There are the same differences between leading a gas station and a construction site. There's so going from one construction site to another country. There's little differences That are used to say that about Simpson's 'cause like the difference between a senior number. Superman are the same differences that you find. They're just going to be differences in those situations. The principles don't change the principles. Don't change leading a construction site that princess principles don't change leading a manufacturing line. The principles don't change leading a girl scout troop leadership leadership moving on in selecting company in which to invest our savings. We often give primary consideration to the company with good leadership in similar manner. A military unit is often judged by its leadership. Good leadership is essential to organize organized action. Where any group is involved. Now if you were to dig down into this right here. I'm here to tell you if you're going to invest in a company the number one thing you should look at is. What's the leadership because if they have a great product groundbreaking crocked you but they have horrible leadership? It doesn't matter. Leadership should be the number one you component you look at when we work with investment groups. Sometimes they're wanting us just to tell them doing assessment. Make an assessment. What what is this leadership pod like one of these humans like are they good leaders? Do they have capabilities? Do they have potential our neighbor at like those are the questions continue on the one who commands Bahia military officer or captain of industry. Must Project power an energizing power which coordinates marshals the best efforts of his followers by supplying that certain something for which they look to him be guidance support encouragement example or even new ideas and imagination projecting power. That's an interesting concept and look. I'd love to tell you well you know that's no you didn't need to project but if you dig a little bit deeper on that statement it's fairly accurate projection of power appear powerful dip just saying hey. I got this. We can do this. You know what I mean. Yeah I guess it's a form of confidence which he talks about later but I think that that projection of power and an energizing power. Yes that's what he's talking about. Which coordinates in Marshall's the best efforts you you've seen this before right. Let's just look at a a kind of a generic situation. You see group. They're not really focused. They're not really making anything happened. And all of a sudden the leader steps up takes control exhibits that power and they and Marshall's those people to move in the same direction. That's what leadership is. Watch American beauty. Your what's that movie? I have seen it but I don't really remember actually pretty good. But there's a part this guy. His name was name. I forget his name but he called himself the king of real estate in kind of an odd one off character and he said to the lady. I forget something Burnham Anyway says to the lady a call me crazy but it's my philosophy that in order to be successful one must project an image of success at all times interesting super cheesy man I think and let. Let's think about that right. You project. An image of successful at all time. When are you projecting you're vulnerable vulnerability? When are you projecting your humility? If you're walking around by the the the the Merck right at your role in with the Rolex Mercedes your Sukkur understand role with the Merck and the Rolex the release acting success. Yeah but I I don't I don't know I don't necessarily well when I heard L. Say probably you're supposed that's all you'd like. Basically it was because like he just broke up with his girl and then the lady was like all. I thought you guys were doing so well or whatever it was alive in silly like basically I put on images success to be successful in my business. I don't know whatever I got a better idea. Want to be successful. Why don't you be humble Why don't you step up and work hard? There's a bunch of other better ways to be successful than pretending to be successful. Helmuth That out to right now agree continuing on the test of a leader lies in the reaction and response of his followers that straightforward The reaction response. Look if you're a leader and people don't react correctly you're failing. He should not have to impose authority. Say again he should not have to impose authority boss. This in itself never made a leader. He must make his influence felt by example and the instilling confidence in his followers. The greatness of leader is measured by the achievements of the lead. This the ultimate test of his effectiveness. I think he brushes up against a lot of stuff. And this is like my third time reading through this today and I keep I keep seeing little connections right. I keep seeing little where he's brushing up against really important things and kind of talking about him talking about them kind of passes through him like mentions them And some of them are perfect. You know he's not to avenue imposing thorny right that's that's that's obvious it's almost like he's uncomfortable saying it because he continues on by sending must make his influence felt by the example misdealing confidence others see the thing that. I have a prompt. Well I guess I don't know maybe you can help me instilling confidence. So what does that mean right? There's a little bit of a lack of explanation behind that we know what it means. Maybe this is why he says leadership is intangible because look we say hey you wanNA instill confidence in your people. Great thank you. That's that's goes without saying. How do we actually do it right? How do we actually do it? How do you instill confidence in people? Oh how about you? Give them something that they can handle. Okay that's a good thing. How about we take our team and we go out and we accomplish up a pretty simple straightforward objective. Confidence goes up a little bit and then we handle more complicated one. We keep doing that. And we give suborn leaders thing. I'm saying this idea of just making people confident. Instilling confidence in your followers. Great how do I do it? And by the way that's leadership strategy and tactics does that is why I wrote Beater Strategy and tactics because those questions right there. I realized there was a gap between. Hey build a relationship with your boss. That's Great Jaakko. How do I doing? How am I supposed to do that? I was on E. F. Online the other day and I said I said Jamie because I was talking to someone I said I got the name. I got my next book and she was like. Oh great because she's always mad because I'm doing too much and I said because we were talking to somebody about ego advocate that personal legal massage maneuver around. Plant the seeds all this as a my next book is going to be called What was it ancient techniques of ego massage therapy right because you can actually do that. You could say hey. Here's the person that you're dealing with. Here's how you WanNa say that Eagle. Here's another person. Here's another ancient technique of ego massage. Yeah Dang that'd be really good. I don't know I'm not even kidding. Because they could tell someone even now like if they don't have the guidelines like a real comprehensive instructional the. It's so easy to take. That can stuff too far. Oh just massages. Ego massaging do too much on the guys like brothers kissing mass right now. We're just trying to massage might you? Because this isn't part of Eagle Effective Eagle massage. Them not really yelling like that. You're doing it for the sake of you for sure. If they know you're doing it It really yeah all right cool. I'm waiting for that book too so I'll get I'll get working on it. Get cracking. Maybe it'll just be a little Would just be a little short little. Handbook Cup techniques for the troops out there. You know what I'll think of. I'll think of other ancient techniques that need explanations and I'll put them all in A. Let's say there's four sections? We mean ancient techniques. I'm just saying that that all sounds cool. Yes Sir I probably could write a little book on that just by watching. You do certain well you know what you can do to help me as you go. I saw you do this and then I can go into that what I was doing and that would be because you get to see what's interesting for you as you see maneuvering happening. Yeah on multiple different fronts. If and I sit here and tell you. Hey this is what's happening over here with this company. This is what the move is going to. Be Watch out unfolds. And you're like okay and then you watch and you go okay. Yes if aright continuing on to frequently we use the words leader and commander synonymous. We should not forget that there are farm far more staff officers staff officer assignments than there are command. Billets and a good staff officer can and should display the same leadership as a commander while it takes a good staff officer to initiate an effective plan. It requires a leader to ensure that the plan is properly executed. This is good stuff that we're about to dive into that is why you. Ni- have been taught that the work of collecting information studying at drawing a plan and making a decision is ten percent of the job. Seeing the plan through is the other ninety percent a well trained officer is one who can serve effectively either as a staff officer commander so by staff officer they mean the guy that's coming up at helping coming put together the plan and going through the logistics of it. All that's the that's the that's the staff officer and then there's a person that makes it happen. That executes it. That's the commander. It's interesting to think this goes back to what we were talking about on the last podcast where I was saying. Look your your commander and your your troops right. You're both of those things so you can come up with great ideas in your little head. Beautiful plans amazing plans. Can you imagine how many people come up with plans? That are actually freaking awesome but they never execute them. Think about that. That is a that is a graveyard a massive infinite graveyard of incredibly good plans that never got execute on the status staff guy in their head. There's a nutsy this where the metaphor continues because you've got to staff guy in your head that's coming up with these little plans. These great plants if I start this workout. Hey if I start this business. Hey if I can produce this thing they come up with the staff also coming up with great plants super good job unless that commander can get the troops in your head to execute it has no value whatsoever and by the way. We've talked about this. That idea by itself is zero value zero value. You come up with this great idea. Hey Chuck thought that this new APP right because everyone thinks about new affect the heat shock this new ARP. It's game changer. Okay cool did it. How many of those things get executed? Yeah not many Salim. Se this opinion on this So let's say me and another person right. Okay let's say somebody says. Hey I have this great idea and tells you know. And it's a good idea. Actually and he said this homage execute. You know whatever actually. There's so many different scenarios but okay this okay. Here's the here's my plan In in it's starting to worry about the execution of this idea. Watch this unfold. Let's see what's happening Eb. Okay and then. I don't have the capability to execute his plan at her. You know there are other people do but it's just my ideas might I dunno kept pill that cures cancer. But let's say I have that idea tell you and you're like Oh yeah good good idea and then years go by and I never executed. I never call somebody up to help execute an just done. That was just my idea that I intended he. He went into the graveyard. He's and then you say that is a good idea I unlike you have the capability to actually execute most of this and I know the other guy who can execute the rest. Meanwhile Lem me I don't I don't have any ability and I don't know anyone I'd have to go shopping for. We simply didn't do it right. And let's say you say okay and you execute the plan can be successful in your new thing right. Is that like a violation or well? How do you feel about that because you know that happens? A lot definitely happens a lot and it paints the reality. And what's interesting? You've heard the term idea guy. You're like Oh that person's a good idea guy when ahead but it's kind of. It's kind of a pejorative right. Well guys an idea guy. Meaning like pay. That guy can't really make anything happening. You can sit around here and spout off good ideas. That's great so flirty. That's great but you don't actually execute on any of them which is just what do I think should happen? Quite honestly I guess in a perfect world. That person that came up with the idea didn't execute it he's paying the price for not making it happen and the prices you watch somebody else you know. Go and and do well with your idea because you didn executed it. So He's GonNa think let's let's say let's say I'm the idea guy in this particular scenario and you're the you're the guy who can actually make it happen. I mean usually idea guy is going to be of salty. 'cause he's like. Hey I told you that the whole idea you know Not How to do it but just the idea that was my idea like on. Seinfeld his my idea for the Cologne. That smells like the beach anyway. Okay it's thing but usually that's the way the Guy Salty right there. He's mad. Yeah he's mad but the the reality is like Brad. Not only did you not execute like. I don't even know if you could really. Yeah and there's a weird thing there because if you don't have you said two things you don't have the capability of executing which is a little bit different than don't not having the will to execute this what it meant was You don't like okay so I I get this. This whole scenario was actually like a real scenario. That happens all the time back when I used to make websites like I'd hear it all the time or and my brother g he makes apps so when you see this different. Oh that's a real thing. Everybody's calling him like. Hey guys this idea for this at right. Meanwhile they know nothing about what they're doing at all like they're like. Oh this wouldn't it be cool to have an APP that can read people's minds that's not a one but I'm just saying meanwhile they have no idea About making APPS first off they have no idea about mind reading second off and they have no idea about like anything else they let me call the AP and then so most of the time. It's like even if they were a good idea which it's not but even if it was. I don't need you for that to do it. You see what I'm saying. Yeah and there's a weird thing there because there's also people that don't have any good ideas but that are really good at execution so what I recommend you do. Is you form up your teen where you have people that have ideas and people that can execute those ideas. Yeah so you complement each other. You work with someone that can actually make things happen. I couldn't make this podcast. I didn't know how to press record. You know I didn't know how to. I didn't know what piece of equipment we're going to need. I couldn't executed. I have an idea. I think we should do it. But that's the exact same thing you're talking about right now now. I could have sat in my closet by myself going. I going to do a cool podcast about war and human nature. It'll be so good I could sit there for five years with this idea and someone else would come. Maybe I have told somebody like Oklahoma execute on that. What did I do I actually said? Oh I don't have the capability to execute this by myself. Fine Echo Charles. Do not make a podcast. Yes I can figure it out cool. We're making podcast. That's an example right. I executed by myself and it doesn't matter to me. I'm not caught up on the fact that because there's people that sit on ideas they won't tell you sign this. Nda I've I've I've signed so many NBA's for people to tell me their brilliant ideas. And I go steal yes I won't steal it and it's like okay. Cool very of them. I feel bad because people and there's some good ideas out there right. A lot of them are number. One real obvious you know. I've had people hit me reman. Already doing that or hey. That's in the works or whatever because just sorry but that's a classic example. Look I know I can't execute. I'm going to long sat on the idea of having a podcast now very long. I want to have one who can help execute this Echo Charles. Boom yet man. I always I kind of feel it's weird because when you think about it let's say. I don't know you're a lot more mature than most of us dude. I'm forty eight years old called forty eight. I'm senior attitude. Night your physical being You know how saying even at forty eight years old you don't think like Oh this guy's mature he actually just old twenty one. You always actually like seventeen premature kid right well. Okay and so but the reason I'm saying so you understand because this this immaturity versus maturity applies to no matter what age. So let's say all right I'm going to use me. I'm not saying I'm like this. I'm not saying not like the example lit. Say That I'm like hey you won't be a great idea. Just impacting to like. I don't know my friend or whatever. Let's say he's a surfer surfboard. Shaper or something. And maybe an engineer to you know and all you need to be a great idea for surfboard. A little motor on there. I don't know what I wanted to say. A motor on there That that does this. And that just impressing. That's my cool idea. First off not only do I not know anything about surfboard making It's like I didn't really even mean like you should really do that. Let's go into Biz. I didn't mean anything. Like titus set it. Meanwhile stuck in the guy's head where he's I could totally do that and no one's doing that and he does. It becomes massively successful most of us. We'll have at least one percent of our little brain saying like all men like that's my idea like I deserve part of it and you know. What if you if I was the surfboard? Shaper Mechanical Engineer Guy. And you gave me that idea and we and I was successful. I would give you reward. I would take care of you. I'd be like cool. I think that's the right thing to do. Actually I think specialize each other. It would probably be out a different proportion. Then you think because people with ideas always think that they think the hard part yeah. That's the idea without an idea. There's nothing right right without ideas. There's nothing however they're both equally important but the idea usually gets less in the investment world. You're good idea. Gets you like ten percent ninety percent. What people think I'd get them ninety percent? It doesn't get you ninety percent. Ten percent fifteen percent. In under certain circumstances of course thrown out there generality I agree with you even one hundred ten percent. You think couldn't agree with you on your ten percent. Apparently I think the idea part of it is worthless because everyone say okay okay. Here's my I'm saying. It publicly straight up. Here's my idea. A pill that cures cancer cures it seen. That's a good idea right. Sealed kind of blame that that is like okay so now when freaking and not only did a million trillion people already have that idea as far as idea goes like. I have no capability of executing this. Maybe I could get like kind of a bad example. Well it's it's an extreme exempt so extreme that it doesn't make it doesn't make the point you need to think of something a little bit better all these APP ideas right like Kinda like that. So you don't even most of us don't know even how apps work as far as making them. Yeah you don't Know is interesting is a lot of times the first company that has an idea and investment it and pushes it all times. They aren't the ones that are actually successful with that. With that idea. It takes another someone to take it to the next level the MP three players apple didn't invent those there's other companies that made MP three players and then apple came and made it into the ipod and it was super successful. So there's a lot of times where the idea phased to get launched and someone else looks over and goes. Yeah that's pretty good idea or jumping on it or jumping the game. Yeah yeah and that kind of goes back to work in a way. So you know back to what you said where it's like okay if if you've got an idea from somebody And then you exit actually executed the idea and made accessible when they had no capability or intention by the way and you became massless. Massey's massively successful when you pay them or what were called reword. That'll be cool. But what if you didn't know the person would if you heard the idea on like you're watching? Dunno project runway or something and you heard like one of the people saying idea just in passing to their friend on the show. You'll know them or nothing. You contact them. It'd be like Hey Trenton. How successful I was it. The mask one billion dollars. Yeah I'd try and contact that person and be like. Hey I got this idea from you. Yeah I think I would. Yeah I think I would hang for. I'm pretty That's what that's what I'm saying about that. Maturity mature very mature person. Try and take care people if you know if they deserve it and you come up with a great idea even though you did nothing to execute it what if it is bothering me all. Yeah especially when they do all the time. What if someone had the idea and forgive me for string this out but I'm trying to I'm trying to identify your threshold Simpson. What if the idea was said by someone that you don't know in passing and it was a joke? You wasn't even like a joke like you're like oh we should invent a parachute that like can spring a motor and take you know something kind of ridiculous but when you thought about your way we wait. That's not read. I can actually do that and you did it. They're totally joking. In fact they were kind of mocking. Then would you reward? You got the idea from them. I don't know the more specifics on the scenario all right but if people hit me with good ideas I will take care of them. You know pretty straightforward all right going back to the book rough. I can recall a former vice president of one of the companies with which I am associated. He would formulate some good plans but never followed up to see his plans. Got The expected results. I knew he had served in World War. Two so out of curiosity I looked into the nature of his service and found that his entire period of service was a staff officer. He had never had the advantage of a command job so his training was incomplete. Maybe if he had remained in the service longer he would have developed his leadership qualities as well and this man would still be with the company. So if you're not able to execute things your this is see now. I'm starting to get mad because because it does bother me when people just want to throw out ideas and they don't push him to completion. That's that's right that's unsound and Yeah you David talking about that. Good deal deep. We're talking about that too. It's like a sin right. You don't follow through and others so and that is true. Takes me back to? What like. What about the idea guy? Who's look you stole my idea right? It's like a kind of makes that thing a little bit more angry like like it makes you mad a little bit more one. A person is like hey that was my idea. Like you're like your at low utility person you don't execute on anything ever and now this was your idea and you somehow deserve like something for the success of the idea. Meanwhile you provided in my opinion less than one percent of the ideas success. Yeah Yeah when you get into these hypothetical scenarios where the person is basically not really creating the idea for the purpose of being executed. Maybe that's the line but if you're creating idea you're active you created actively trying to get people to execute on it. I'll I will take care of you. If you're not even intentionally each trying to create something first of all you're you're not know factor in the world like how would I even know who you are you not? You don't even step up you. Don't leave a trail of. Hey that connects you to this idea. Yeah so no factor. Actually zero factor the person's just unsaddled. F- You may have heard heard the story. About General pershing in World War One. While inspecting a certain area he found a project that was not going to well. Even though a second lieutenant in charge seemed to have a pretty good plan. General pershing asked Lieutenant how much pay received. And when the lieutenant apply to one hundred and forty one dollars and sixty seven per month. Sir General pershing said just remember that you get a dollar sixty seven for making your plan and issuing the order and two hundred and forty dollars for seeing that it's carried out. Yeah you need people like that and I'll tell you this is another thing. Would that will go in the next book. Well maybe not the next book. It'll go into the next ancient technique book. Ancient technique will be getting things getting the troops to the plan. How do you do that because this is again? He brushes up against these things like. Hey we all know that it sucks that if your team isn't doing what they're supposed to do how do we actually get them to do it right? One of the leaders strategy and tactics which some of which I talk about in leadership strategy and tactics how you get the people to actually get the job done that you want them to do and part of it has to do with. This guy seemed to have come up with a pretty good plan. Well if you let your troops come up with land there's a better chance execute it as we know so that might go into ancient ancient procedures ancient techniques. Yeah remember that video that I was in where I was talking about the. Here's your mask. The ancient masters and I said something where you said to me I could tell you. Were reaching for a word because I said something like let me summon the power of the power of the and I didn't. I said the ancients which by the way may have been brewed in my head from Nations D. has he's got one of their one of their. Hbo Specials they talk about the ancients. And that's exactly what am I talking about? Maybe that's exactly where it came from. I had to summon up the D. They came through at the moment of truth because those videos that particular video I for some reason I'm a little bit more I have a little bit more fun when I'm annoyed little no mocking in something. So what happened was the the female who was prompting me with different questions. She says you look so tell me. Tell me what you get up in the morning and I said well what I do is I set my alarm clock and I when it goes off. I get out of bed. Which is my standard answer. I given the Thousand Times. And she says no no no no but she said something along the lines and super cool. She said something along the lines of nobody. I mean I think my producers can you give my producer more than that. And that's when I went into this whole thing but it was just off the top of my head but I got stuck for a word and the D- delivered for game through. Yes so now. There's behold whole book connected to that so that levels all right continuing on. He's so he's talking about the pershing thing. You get paid one hundred forty dollars you get paid a dollar sixty seven for making the plan to get paid a hundred and forty dollars for seeing. It is carried out. He says. I'm not sure that I would go to that extreme. Certainly in these days problems are complex and good staff. Work plays a large part about resolving them. I have known commanders. Who WERE NOT TOO SMART? But they were very knowledgeable about personnel and who knew enough to select the very best for their staffs remember. A good leader is one who causes or inspires others staff or subordinate commanders. To do the job boy. I've known commanders. Who are not too smart but they were very knowledgeable. There's I know there's all kinds of like literature about this kind of thing but there's different kinds of intelligence right Absolutely different kinds of intelligence and one of the least most important types of intelligence is book smart when it comes to operate in the real world one of the least least important types of intelligence is Hey. I can memorize this for a test or I can understand these if you can't read people if you have the emotional intelligence if you are able to react if you're able to control your own most about a million things. Yeah so you can be not too smart and still do outstanding especially. If you're smart enough to go you know what? I'm not that smart but I got. I got Fred over here. He's brain horsepower. Komo bring him on the team. I'M NOT GONNA put them up in front of the troops because he fumbles around with his words but I'm going to have him going through my plan in line by line check in the numbers making sure. We're good to go build the right team. Furthermore no leader knows at all. Although sometimes you find one who seems to think he does. A leader should encourage the members of his staff to speak up if they think their commanders wrong. He should invite constructive criticism. It is a grave error for the leader to surround himself with a yes staff. Hence no yes-men leadership strategy and tactics do not surround yourself with yes men speaking of ideas that have been stolen. Omar Bradley. I stole that idea. I guess and put it in a book Phil General George. C Marshall was an excellent exponent of the principle of having his support and speak up when he first came to chief staff when he first became chief of staff of the army. The Secretary of that office consists of three officers who presented orally to General Marshall The staff papers or studies coming from the divisions of the General Staff. I was a member of that secretary. We presented in abbreviated form. The contents of the staff studies citing the highlights of the problem involved. The various possible courses of actions considered and the action recommended at the end of his first week as chief of Staff Marshall called us into his office and opened the discussion by saying I am disappointed in all of you when we acquired if we might ask why he said. You haven't disagreed disagreed with a single thing. I've done all week. We told him it just so happened that we were in full agreement with every paper that had been presented that we knew he wanted and that we would ask her comments to anything that we considered should be questioned the very next day we presented a paper as written and then expressed some thoughts which in our own opinion made the recommendation recommended action questionable. General Marshall said now that is what I want unless I hear all the arguments against an action. I am not sure whether I am right or not. You don't WanNA surround yourself with those people that are just gonNa tell you that you're right and you'll you you feel that you see that with the suit the celebrities that surround themselves with people that just tell them. Hey you're the greatest or you can do whatever you want and you watch them on the downward spiral of destruction. They need someone going. Hey Bro stop. That's that's dumb I you. You might be able to get away with it. You're not gonNA get away with it for long and it's GonNa be hanging over your like that doesn't happen. They get surrounded by people that just blindly support them. Do you feel like I guess when you think about it seems like a two way street right like the person okay. So you don't want to surround yourself with yes-men right and let's say you happen for lack of a better way of putting it. You happened to not surround yourself with. Yes yes men. It's not like you actively we're like. Hey you're yes men and I don't really hang out with with Fred and he's like we'll push back and Dave trust them because your bullet your friend or whatever right verse is the person who's like actively surrounding themselves with people were not yes-men right but the two street kind of goes where if I'm not saying celebrities are like this but some people in the world are like this where it's like. Hey and maybe they don't consciously think of it this way they just go by their feeling and they're like this person doesn't agree with me like all the time like this person does and when this person agrees with me all the time it really makes me feel good and this is just the feeling they're not consciously away so you're saying you're saying that someone may just by small decision after small decision after small division decision over time. They just end up getting rid of everyone that gives them any objections. Think that's exactly what happens. Yeah I think that's why you have to proactively. Make sure you've got people on your team that are going to push back you know and I just was on the mine today. I was talking about the fact that I was hyper paranoid about making sure. I took input from other people. There was the the when the seals went into Panama. They went into Petit airfield. Was a rough oppor. Operation Lost Four seals and I worked for a guy that was there he was. He was on the boats that that put the seal sin and so he had been through the whole planning process and everything and I I asked him. I said you know what happened. He explained to me that what can happen. Tactically on the ground and I. I was kind of okay. I get that I said how did you. How did that plan? The plan seemed like it had some some violations of sort of fundamental Like normal tactics that seals us and he said that there was a couple of guys that kind of work. No this is what we're doing the sorts gonNA work and there wasn't a lot of pushback against it so I always felt that it was really critical that you want push back and that you listen to it because if you know all those seals and you know those heroics guys that died on that airfield if if a plan can get through all those guys all those seals then we need to make sure our minds are open at. We're listening and taking input because otherwise if you if you come you come up with a plan that you think is great when you hear a question about it you got to listen to the question. You gotta listen to the question. So it's free so hard drinking like you know when you come up with a plan or an ideal or whatever of the. Do whatever and you show it to someone or you present it. And here's the thing when you come up with a comprehensive plan bro. You're happy about your fired up. You know I I know where you're going with us and you're like saying how hard it is. I. I am so conditioned at this point to be paranoid I was trying to figure out where that came from in my head and it came from that situation for hearing that guy who ended up. I ended up working for hearing him explained to me. Hey there wasn't enough pushback and we went forward with the plan that not everyone agreed with and you think I thought to myself. I'm never GONNA so at this point. I come up with a plan for anything which normally as you know I try not to. I try to let everybody else come up with a plan but sometimes I do come up with a plan and I'm I'm so comfortable with someone saying hey I don't like that. It doesn't have any impact on me whatsoever so easy for me to say. Actually the right point didn't think it out. Yeah that's so good because you and you and you put it. You're the one that put it like this where it's like. You don't emotionally attached herself to the plant but I guess that's really the part that's hard. I watched SEAL PLATOON AFTER SEAL. Thune after seal platoon get so wrapped around the axle plan of up my plan plan normally at the end of the day. They and this is. This is when I was running training. I would y 'cause I'd sit there and watch them plan and your defacto detached because I'm sitting back watching the plan but you would see Just go down the road road of arguing with each other about my plan versus your plan. Both plans will work fine. I'll tell you what won't work is trying to plant. Do the plan in twenty minutes. Because you've wasted four hours arguing about which plan is better but I see that time. Yeah you know the I'm not GonNa say have gone through this. We're not GONNA have not gone through this but you show someone a video that you might have made or whatever and you're like you say hey you know. Tell me what you think of this video before you release it or something like that and really when you really be honest. This is what it is. Half of your brain is like. Hey I need some feedback to make it the best. I can let me give you a look too so I can get some good feedback. You know on improving it. That's half the other half of your brain is kind of like. Hey this is kind of the premier and I WANNA get rewarded for my work. You know with praise and hopefully a pause or something like that. So it's like your two sides of your brain so when when it when you do have get feedback where it's like. Hey I would improve this do this or that beginning. Got To change it or whatever that that second part of your brain is kind of like why did even show it to you like you're not even looking being cool about it. You know kind of kind of an attitude. That was the part I once again. This is where humility is so important because otherwise you just don't improve anything by pay if I show someone a piece of writing and they go. Yeah you know I like this but you can do this different. I'm like okay cool. And sometimes I just wrote a piece and I sent it to one of my editors and let's say they wrote one hundred things. Well let's say they wrote fifty things of the things that they wrote I accepted. I don't ninety three percent of them. There was one major. Change the only the most significant change in the piece and I said Hey. I appreciate the feedback. I'm not changing that thing and it wasn't because of Eagle is like okay. I read it five times and said you know what that's absolutely needs to be in there and I saw her perspective and said you know what I get where she's coming from but this ties everything together and I think that's what I didn't do good job explaining to her but yes you have to at least be open to it. You have to at least be open to it. Yeah yeah admitting to yourself that you go into it with the attitude of hey how I have to actually strongly be able to defend my position if I can't defend my position than you're probably right right like on a logic level almost not like hey that was cool you put down that my writing you know like not added my just like I say well my goal is to listen to if if you and I are working together and I'm in charge and we're going to attack a target. My goal is to have you come up with a plan. That's my absolute goal. When you come to me with a plan I'm not looking at it. What's wrong with I'm saying what's right with it. I like it. I like your plan better than what I thought I was. GonNa think when you bring me a piece of when I bring you a piece of writing and you give me feedback. My goal is to go okay. Your feedback is correct and I'm wrong. And unless it just pains me to change something then I'm going to lean towards your recommendation. Yeah that's that you could look at it. It's like you're writing or whatever your completed work that you need feedback on. It's like you just go in automatic regarding it as this. There's a problem with this. There's holes in this. It's missing stuff and it has too much of some other stuff. Yeah I know that for a fact in the IT. That upsets me. I'm going to go to this person. And they can identify him these things. That's it not. How awesome it is. It's like there's a problem with this and I need this problem to be solved. This person intolerant. I was listening to Brian. Koppelman on Tim. Ferriss podcast Brian. Koppelman and David Levine or the writers of the show. Have you heard of this show? I have I hear good things but it was interesting because Brian Koppelman. I wish I could remember exactly what he said. Well there's two things that he said number one if he's going to give somebody something for feedback on something that he's written you don't give you. Don't give someone their completed project. And say hey. Can you give me some feedback on this because I already finished it? What you're really asking if I say. Hey Echo I wrote this book. Can you give me some feedback on it? Yeah that's sort of. It's sort of a bad thing. I have to say. Hey Echo this is just a draft. Yeah and then he had some responsive saying something like do you want. Do you want me to read it or do you want feedback yet some way of saying. Hey you want me to really go to town on this thing or you just want me to read it. You Watch this video that you made you want feedback. I wish I could think of what you said something. Do you want professional feedback or something like that? Something that was. Hey look if I give this to you straight. It's GonNa Sting. That's the man that's so good because it's almost like because there are two different people. They're two different roles. You're asking this person to be are you? Do you want this person to be an audience member fan or do your trick and critic or editor? Wh- or whatever you want. Yeah so it's just two different attitudes. And that's that's the emotional ego part versus the you know the technician. Whatever the other guys. Yeah so those are you gotta get that humble brain going if you WANNA ask people for feedback in anything and it stings. Every single time is the way it works going back to the book. If you happen to be detailed detailed to a staff trying be good staff officer and if possible avoid being a yes man. I would suggest to all commanders that they inform the members of their staffs that anyone who does not agree once in a while with what is about to be done is of limited value and perhaps should be shifted to some other place where he might occasionally have an idea of your degree time. I don't need you don't need you. Of course I'm thinking about the decision. Making process after decisions made everyone must be one hundred percent behind it. I thought the British were admirable in this respect during World War. Two no matter how much discussion there had been on a subject as soon as a decision was made. You never heard any doubts expressed you had to believe that everyone involved in making. That decision had never entertained any ideas except those expressing decision. You know how I explain this to the young junior officers because I used to say once a decision is made you execute it as if it was your own now. Here's where people were freak out about that. They freak out about that because they think. But what if I don't really agree with it? If you don't really agree with it check a couple things number one. If comes up with a plan you're my boss at. You're telling me how we're going to do something and I'm like no. We need to do this way. The first thing I need to check it. Finally you know we're doing it this way. That's a decision. We're going forward. The first thing I need to check is what do you think is take a guess you check my ego because I would say upwards of ninety ninety percent of the time the only reason I disagree is because of my ego because I got some little idea I think my would be better and even if my ways of is better. It's not drastically better because we're both fighting for the same cause right. How often is it a bosses like hey we want to execute this way? And someone says hey. That's a really horrible way to do is going to be unsafe for the team members. And it's not it's GONNA lose money and the boss I don't care we're doing it my way. No he goes wait a second. What are you talking about? Explain this me. How is it on safe? And how are we gonNA lose money so the idea is first thing you check is? Is it my ego? That's preventing me from accepting this new idea. What are the degrees of variance between my idea? And the way it's actually happening because if the degrees of variance or minimal been shot up and going execute the plan as if it was your own now if there are significant degrees of various where it's going to be a really bad situation. I hate to use the word catastrophic but certainly if you see a catastrophic problem then you go. Hey we cannot do this. This is not good and you. You don't go forward if it's going to be catastrophic or again going back to leadership strategy and taxes and you gotta make it as then you've got to figure out. Is it better for me to go ahead with it? But now I can go. Mitigate the damage mitigate the risk as much as possible. That might be what you have to do. So that idea of executing if you believe it as if it's your own which is what you should do. You need to have those conversations. Listen put your ego in check and then if it's close enough you go roger that boss. I'm on board with the plan. Let's execute it and you do execute it as if your own factor continuing on to emphasize leadership of senior officers. So he doesn't want to just talk about senior officers. My interest extends to leaders of all ranks. I would caution you to remember that an essential qualification of a good beater is the ability to recognize. Select and train junior officers. I would like to quote from a book. Entitled to born at Reveille written by colonel red reader. Colonel Reader was on a trip for General Marshall in one of his assignments was to inquire into junior leadership. This is an account of his conversation with Colonel Bryant. More on guadalcanal quote Colonel More. I said tell me something about. I hit a sensitive spot. Colonel More forged ahead leadership. The greatest problem here is the leaders. And you have to find some way to weed out. The weak ones eight is tough to do this. When you're in combat the platoon leaders who cannot command who cannot foresee things and who cannot act on the spur of the moment in an emergency or a distinct detriment so this is clear right. We know this but there you have it reinforced for the one millionth time. If you've got weak leaders you're going to have problems if you can't command if you can't I see things and if you can't act on spur of the moment you're GonNa have problems. When's the last time you heard? It's that's a negative thing right. Oh he acts on the spur of the moment actually. There's sometimes we you need to do that. He continues on. Its hot here as you can see men struggle. They get heat exhaustion. They come out vomiting throwing away equipment. The leaders must be leaders and they must be alert enough to establish straggler lines. And stop this thing and I need to do. I try to research this a An order the book the book is actually for sale. It's called Born reveille got some interesting reviews. Seems like a good book where they say I guess I guess it's written in some offensive language in modern era. So but I because I wasn't really a hundred percent. The leaders must be leaders and that they must be alert enough to establish straggler lines. And stop this thing. I guess he's talking about heat exhaustion writing. He must be straggler. Lines are lines of people. That aren't ready to fight and stop this thing. I'm assuming he's talking about the heat exhaustion so it goes on the and this is why. I think that's what it means. The men have been taught to take salt. Tablets believers don't see to this result heat exhaustion. The good leaders seem to get killed the poor leaders get the men killed. The big problem is leadership and getting the shoulder straps on the right. People and the book continues. Sixty millimeter mortars mortar. Shells fell about thirty yards away and attacked a number of coconut trees. I lost interest. In taking dictation and the Colonel Stop talking when the salvo was over and things were quiet again. Brian Moore said where was I? You saw that patrol. I tell you this is not one man in fifty can lead patrol in this jungle if you can find out who the good patrol leaders are before you hit the combat zone. You have found out something now. What's interesting about that is first of all one. Man In fifty can lead a patrol in this jungle. That's an that's a significant statement. If you and I will tell you says if you can find out who the good patrol leaders are before you hit the combat zone. You found something. How do you do that you do that? By putting them in these pressure situations we had such a benefit. Our guys were so ready. We put we put I. I put the seal's going on deployment through training like that where you could see them break. You could see them not be able to handle it or what's more important. They wouldn't be able to handle it day one day two. They'd be a little better day three to be a little bit better day for they'd be a little bit better by the end of a six month to work up there. Actually one of the people that can make these make these things happen so it's not just about finding the good patrol leaders about training them. He says I have to get rid of about twenty five officers because they just. I've had to get rid of about twenty five officers because they just weren't leaders. I had to make the battalion commander weed out the poor leaders. This process continuous other. Junior leaders are finding out that they must know more than their men more about their men. The good leaders know they're men of everything he talks about. He says the thing that he gives that you must know your men. That's the thing that that's that's the one. He doesn't say they need navigation. They need to war work under fire. He said they need to know their men. Very interesting thing to focus on for for this guy talking for General Moore talking about this or colonel more but I will tell you that having to get rid of about twenty five officers. I'M GONNA go ahead out limb here and I don't know how many officers you went through. But some of those officers could could have been trained. Could've been trained could have been prepared could have been molded. Could've been could've been educated. Could be tested prior to going into combat and he probably would have done better than than having to get rid of revival continuing on. What are the characteristics? What then are the distinguishing qualities of a leader? There are many essential characteristics that he must possess but I will mention a few that. Come to mind as perhaps the most important. I he must know his job without necessarily being a specialist in any in every phase of it a few years ago was suggested that all engineers all engineering subjects be eliminated from the required studies at West Point. I objected for example bridge. Building is especially for engineers yet. I think every senior officer should have some idea of what is involved when we reached the Rhine in World War Two. It was not necessary that I know how to build a bridge but it was very helpful that I knew what was involved so that I could see the bridge. Engineers receive proper support in tonnage allowed and idea of the time involved. So so I know your job. You know everything about it. I didn't know the SNIPER WEAPONS IS GONNA snipers did I didn't know the radios the radio man did I didn't know the routes good as the point man did but I knew enough about him continuing on specialty dominate almost every problem faced by the military today by the face today by the military beater or the business manager. This individual must get deeply enough induced problem that he can understand it and intelligently manage it without going so far become a specialist himself in every phase of the problem. You don't have to be a tank expert in order to effectively. Use a tank unit of your command. Thomas J Watson of IBM once said that the genius of an executive is the ability to deal successfully with matters he does not understand this leads to another principal leadership which I have often found neglected both in the military and business. While you need to be a specialist in all phases of your job. You should have a proportionate degree of interest in every aspect of it and those concerned your subordinates. Should be aware of your interest so you you should be interested in what is happening. You must get around and show interest in what your subordinates are doing. Even if you don't know much about the technique of their work and you make these when you are making. These visits try to pass out praise. When do as well as corrections or criticism? That's an interesting one. It's very interesting. What Omar Bradley points out here that that. Hey now is you know what's happening but you should. You should show interest in what your support. Doing you know how I would translate that I would call it building. Relationships relationship right. That's what he's talking about. He's talking about building relationships showing interest being out there building relationships with your troops again. I think a lot of times in this in this species. He's either brushing up or he's using his own verbiage to cover to to to talk about the same things that we talk about all the time the same things that I write about all the time. Continue on we tend to speak up only when things go wrong. This is such a well recognized. Fact that a complaint department isn't an essential part of many business firms to my knowledge no comparable facility exists anywhere to expedite the handling of praise for a job. Well done it need not be extravagant. We all get enough criticism and we learn to take it even sir. Winston Churchill despite his matchless accomplishment found occasion to say I have benefited enormously from criticism and at no point did I suffer from any perceptible lack thereof but let us remember that praise also has a role to play. Napoleon was probably the finest exponent of this principle of recognition through his use of a quarter inch of ribbon to improve the morale and get results so interesting. That Bradley is very focused on praise. Very interesting that he's focused on. Praise can see what kind of a different guy is the patent by the way. I forgot to say this. His book much of the Movie Patent. The famous movie Oscar Award Winning Movie Patton. It was a lot of it was based on on on that book that he wrote a soldier story sleep. Because it's two different philosophies with pres thing. Yeah you know you just you. Just get the feeling that Omar Bradley was a little bit well a lot more a lot more humble a lot more you know open and and probably hey good job buddy where you don't expect. Patna to say. Hey Good Job Buddy. Some crazy situation. I towel the top soldier but you do you picture on wall Bradley going. Hey Nice work on that. That was good. You don't really so I'm just saying it's A. It's an interesting thing for him to he in on can it feels like like maybe goes with different personalities or whatever but okay so on one hand you have the guy who's always saying. The Jones job offering corrections when necessary to get out of foods for sure so they're essentially it's almost like you're constantly in touch with how they're feeling about you kind of thing as a as a as a worker or as whatever Jeff So they'll be like good job every every little thing is either a good job or hey you could do this a little bit better every single little thing right so it's like you kind of know where you stand and it's kind of comforting. I guess in that way but at the same time. It's Kinda like Wendy. You know when you really did a good job. You don't really know as much you're not holding touch but the opposite the other guy who he didn't say anything you do a little good job you won't hear nothing ever you'll know about the corrections for sure but they tend speaking from experience more than anything they tend to be like big corrections. And you have to. You know because it's not it's factor corrections where it's like you know. Whatever like find the eighty percent solution and it's cool whatever. Meanwhile they don't say much is what I'm saying until something's a big deal good or bad so really it kind of makes you want to strive to get that big compliment. You know more so than so. It's less comforting. I Guess Day to day but at the same time. It's almost like this. Intangible like motivation to do a good job for this guy. You know you're gonNA seems like that. Yeah it's it's a dichotomy that's gotta be balanced. You don't WanNa go overboard young every little thing. You don't want to park on every little thing either. I would say you are correct. It's better to back off a little bit and have your have your compliments or your criticisms be worthy of either. One of those things smaller corrections more often are easier to give than big corrections. When people aren't used to see kind of condition someone can condition someone. And it's good to do this if if if I can where they expect like Haysom some pretty straightforward feedback. That's totally positive thing. If you're not conditioned to it and all of a sudden hammer you it's something it's a blow. Yeah it hurts and it might even make you defensive but if I'm constantly constantly to the point of being annoying but from on a regular basis. I'm telling you Oh echo you can you adjust this thing when you when you put these things out or hey echo when you when you get when you get done with project? The report needs to have more detail in it. Okay well the more I correct you and again I gotta be careful. Can't go overboard but I gotta get you conditioned to where you understand that I am going to give you some feedback. Some negative feedback about what you're doing. Don't want to harp on you. It's really hard to tell right. Because a lot of times people sit there and take him to go home and kick their dog because of their boss possible all right the next little characteristic of a leader he says both mental and physical energy are essential to successful leadership. How many really good leaders have you known who are lazy or week or couldn't stand the strain? Sherman was a good example of a leader with outstanding mental and physical energy. I cite him with some trepidation. Because some of you may be from Georgia however during the advance from Chattanooga to Atlanta. He often went for days. Only two hours of sleep per night and was constantly in the saddle doing reconnaissance any often new the dispositions in terrain so well that he could maneuver the enemy out of position without a serious fight with minimal losses. So general tecom sermon. Who Marched KUDOS MARCH TO THE SEA? Hundred million dollars worth of damage in Georgia as he kinda destroyed things as he went but showing that he had this high level of energy continues. Conversely sick commander is of limited value. It is not fair to the troops under him to have a leader who is not functioning one hundred percent. I had to release several senior commanders during World War. Two because of illness is often pointed out that Napoleon didn't lose a major battle until Waterloo where he was a sick man. A leadership possess human understanding and consideration for others men are not robots and should not be treated as though they were machines. I do not by any means suggest coddling. There's another example dichotomy right. Don't treat him as if machines. But don't coddle but men are highly intelligent complicated beings who respond favorably to human understanding and consideration by this means their leader will get maximum effort from each of them. You also get loyalty and in this connection. It will is well to remember that loyalty goes down as well as up. The sincere leader will go to bat for subordinates when such action is needed pretty straightforward dichotomy. Right there a good beater must sometimes be stubborn is reminded of the West Point Cadet and part of that process. I leader must be able to choose the harder right instead of the easier. Wrong armed with the courage of his convictions. He must fight to defend them. Then he has then. He has to come to a decision after thorough analysis. And when he is serious right he must stick to it. Even to the point of stubbornness grant furnaces a good illustration of this trait. He never knew when he was supposed to be licked. Stubborn man might have lost at Shiloh. By the way Shiloh twenty four thousand dead in two days total nightmare. Maybe you've heard the story of general grant in Richmond Campaign. Win after being up all night making his reconnaissance and formulating an issuing orders. He lay down and fell asleep under a tree sometime later. A courier wrote up informed. General inform the general that disaster at his right flank and that his troops at the end of the line were in full retreat. General grant sat up his head to clear the COBWEBS and said it can't be so and went back to sleep and it wasn't so he had confidence in himself and in his subordinate leaders. Hard for me to accept that one. I've made give a little bit more attention if someone comes and tells me on. My flank is collapsing but the point being he had confidence. Hey we're going to be all right. Yeah that seemed like a little tale. I mean obviously I don't know if that's true or not. I'm assuming it's true but it seemed like more of an exaggerated tail like straight up sleep straight up. There's a picture of Dave Burke. I good deal yest- where I think we're putting in combat outpost Falcon in downtown Ramadi. You and the pictures. Probably I don't even know when the pictures taken but we're both asleep. Were both sitting up against the wall. We're both asleep. We Prime Minister Awake for twenty four hours. This point is the commander of salt one six. Yeah Saul six. He's he was a lightning one. Six and and I was the commander of Task Unit Bruiser. And we're both RAC doubt but one of the combat outpost the combat outpost was now secure. There's a bunch of guys from the one three seven army just surrounding this thing build it out and get some sleep so apparently did yeah. Sleeping gets a bad rap. I guess now that you kind of mentioned it. How sleeping the job sleeping on the job. That's not a good expression like that expression is not a positive express just like hey you're sleeping on the job. You're not doing a good job but if you actually talks about the life like as soon as he would get into an overwatch to get it set up and get security set. He'd be like I'm going to say the planning cycle for for like officers going into the field. We would be planning basically the whole time we would know that once we got in the field we could get some sleep. Yeah because there's no chain of command breathing down your neck for another con ops submission. You're just out there. Your Co breath. You're sleep deprived me of times. You're not good to nobody. Yeah I you know what? I'm not one hundred percent on board with that. Just being straight up. There's there's I I mean I read some things that say you know if you've if you've missed if you haven't slept for twenty four hours the equivalent of three. You're legally drunk. I don't think so. Yeah sure there's there's times I I'll tell you what's a good example. The early musters that we did. When you're doing the monsters we were. We didn't we didn't have a system down yet and so we didn't know all the things that we're going to have to tackle. We were just. We just didn't prepare correctly and so we laugh and I would be up all night long. I think the worst muster as far as sleep goes was New York City New York City one of the nights I think it was the first night we had to sign. Whatever nine hundred graduation certificates? It was one thirty in the morning when we got started. Pt At three so we sat there. We signed them. We went to bed for an hour. We woke up the next day. We're on stage the entire day. No stopping people reeling questions. At what about this what about that? I'm crop I by now. Could I have done that if I was seven drinks drunk? Some people can guess they'll let me let me rephrase that. Let's not compared to alcohol because we know functionally you could pull it off but to say that I was up there cognitively impaired. I don't think it's I don't think you could say that yeah. I don't think it's true. I think the reality of it is that different people are different and it's GonNa Affect people in different ways and generally speaking getting adequate rest is better than not getting Harris. No doubt that we would love to get that big old sleep her. That's great but what I'm saying is people don't always get to sleep a lot and you still have to make critical decisions and your mind just like your body. can adapt to certain situations. When I'm doing something. It doesn't matter. How tired of my what's happening. I'm a mom all right. Yeah so you know it's interesting the okay so there is. I'M NOT GONNA. I don't know the studies but if you believe that you got enough sleep affects your capacity so like that almost suggest like men if you're just like I'm GonNa BTF through this hundred percent and that's your attitude that will help hug native capacity. Even if you didn't get much sleep I met more than anything where it's like. I don't mean you're no good to nobody when when you're sleep deprived. I'm saying it's a good attitude to have to make sure your like your team or whatever isn't sleep deprived that's a good attitude to have but as an individual or team member. Whatever it's good to be able to function wizard sleep in without for sure. Yes you do. Need to be able to sleep is preferred. But what I'm saying is it's not GonNa if you can step up and rice the Asian. Look I don't recommend it for sure you wanna be able to sleep. Yes but I'm not tragically cognitively impaired at the moment you know where all of a sudden. Wait a second you know. I don't know what they answer. That question is hold on. You know that doesn't happen doesn't happen to your adrenaline flows. You're up there. You're you pull the trigger on on your gun. Your whatever things are happening you get in the game you get in the game. You're not falling apart. We know you're making things happen even. Hey you come to the muster that you operate on very little sleep at the muster especially the early ones. Yeah I didn't see you you know. Hey I forgot to press record. Well you know what I'm saying. Maybe haven't been paying attention as much as he could have been in that case check continue on. I do not mean to infer that. There is always just one solution to a problem. Usually there's one best solution but any good plan boldly executed is better than indecision. There's more there's usually more than one way to obtain results and the most important thing about that little section right here. Look we know bats the same thing patent says any good plan bold the US better than indecision or a good borders patent say. A good plan executed now is better than a great plan executed next week. Say they're saying the same thing. There's usually more than one way to obtain results. I like that. I want to focus on that because again. I'm not arguing with you about six. And one half dozen the other. I'm not arguing with you about we. Bring six vehicles. Were five vehicles. I'm not arguing with you if we should if we should invest eight hundred thousand dollars in this market or seven hundred forty thousand dollars in this market. I'm not arguing those things. What's the outcome? GonNa be there. We're going to be pretty close as more than one way to get a cat cool. Let's Go let's rock and roll and by the way when you come up with a plan and I go you know what Echo let's do it. Let's let's do what you say and we start going down that road. It's not like we're stuck there and I go. Hey Echo looks at your plan might not be working out that great. Let's make an adjustment. Ugo cool sounds good and by the way. You're more open to hearing my suggestion. If I was originally open to your suggestions in the first place I built relationship. They're working on multiple fronts continuing on and other quality of leadership that comes to mind is self confidence you must have confidence in yourself. Your unit and your subordinate commanders. And in your plan this recalls a couple of instance just before the invasion of Normandy. Nineteen forty four story went around in some of the units that were making the assault on the beaches that they would suffer at one. Hundred Percent Casualties. That none of them would come back. I found it necessary to visit these units and talk to all ranks told him that of course we would suffer casualties but certainly our losses would be less would not be one hundred percent and that with our air and Naval Support. We would succeed after our landing. A correspondent told me that on his way across the channel in one of the leading LS tease. He had noticed they started reading. A novel struck by this seeming. Lack of concern by the sergeant. He said he asked. Aren't you worried? How can you be reading time like this? The sergeant replied no. I'm not worried. General Bradley said everything would go all right. So why should I worry? I can't recall just what I had said but it accomplished its purpose at least where one man was concerned. I might relate another incident where there was a lack of confidence. I had relieve a senior commander because I learned that his men had lost confidence in him. This meant of course that we would not expect maximum performance by that division. After being relieved the officer came back through my headquarters and showed me a file of statements. Given to him by request. I am sure by the Burgomaster of all the towns has division passed through. If you had confidence in himself he would not have felt the need for all those letters. That's a cool little story. So He fires this division commander and the division commander comes out and says listen. I haven't been on a bad job. Here's the mayors of all the cities that we've been through. Here's they told me. I did a good job here. Look at the letters and he's like any actually goes on after seeing the letters. I told the officer that if I ever had any doubts as to whether relieve him. Those doubts were now removed. His letters proved beyond question that he had lost confidence in himself so it was no wonder that the men had lost confidence in him. So definitely confidence is important. The interesting thing is humility which is chapter two. In extreme ownership. Jackie Rigo became an army value in two thousand nineteen and which is awesome. But I also. He talks about confidence. That's what he talks about. He'd never leave explores what happens when you get overconfident right and we all know that you can get overconfident and you can lose. So that's why humility is important. He says here. Next characteristic leader must possess imagination whether it be an administrative decision or one made in combat. The possible results of that decision must be playing to the one making. What will the next step be? And the one after that. That's all he gives to imagination. That's all he gives to. Creativity need a little bit more while there are many other qualities which can contribute to effective leadership. I will mention just one more but it is a very important one character. This word has many meanings. I am applying it in a broad sense to describe a person who has high ideals who stand by them and who can be absolutely trusted such person will be respected by those with whom he is associated and such a person will readily be recognized by his associates for what he is circumstances. Mold our character. These circumstances affect people in different ways from exactly the same set of circumstances one man may theoretically build a palace while another may have difficulty building a lean to lean to lean towards a little hut. Little Neat loved. The roof leans up against a stick with some day. Put some put some leaves on top of it to keep you dry. That's called the lean to so from the same experiences. One person builds a palace the other person builds a lean to. That's a rough one to take to rough to take as you might look around and say have the right circumstances in my life to be successful. I promise you that there's someone with worse circumstances that's more successful than you. Promise you promise you believe. It has been said that a man's character is the reality of himself. I don't think immense strength of character ever changes. I remember a long time ago and somebody told me that a mountains mountain might be reported to have moved. I could believe it or disbelieve it as I wished but if anyone told me that a man had changed his character I should not believe it. I don't know I look. I think it's hard for people's characters to change. I don't think you can change someone's character very easily. Actively proactively make their character change. But I think that through life and through experience people's character does absolutely change and you can meet someone now that you knew ten years ago and you'd say well that person's a whole new character and you would mean character it's classic sense yes. I mean what to kind of to kind of identify. What is character? Do you think like what? Just kind of moral like your fiber. Because it's not like you can talk to pretty much anyone and they'd probably tell you. Yeah like I'm a different person than I was fifteen years ago. Pretty much. It'd be okay. That wouldn't be a big surprise or whatever but they're not talking about that right like characters different. Well they are talking about that. Well see saying is that you know that slimy guy that you knew in high school that was trying to screw people over and whatever. Yeah he saying bad guy when you meet him twenty years later guess what. He's doing still a sly guy. Wants to another. I disagree with that. I actually have known people whose character has changed and for me. I mean there's a we could do a whole show. I guess about what his character but like for me characters doing what. You're you know you're supposed to do actually doing what you know you're supposed to doing what you know. Is the right thing to do. Yeah that's that's that's how you end up with character right and say you're going to do something you do it. You know you're supposed to do. Behave a certain way regardless if anyone's watching regardless of the outcome you know you're supposed to do the right thing you do at that's character. I agree with you. I think that you can eat. It's a rare thing. I do Kinda agree with him it. There's some people go. I remember that Greasy Dude. Yeah just being all trying to you. Know get won't take care of himself and you look at that person ten years later. It's the same blood occasionally changes. Yeah like maybe some big impactful event maybe or maybe even just like a new influence in life in like a little revelation. Kind of like you can. Oh Yeah that can happen. I think and I think he kind of does happen on these teeny tiny ways but nothing that would kinda collectively be considered character. But I think yeah I think of people can I absolutely think they can I think it? Yeah I I've seen it. I've seen it. I know people where I you know. Used to look at them and go and now I look at totally solid. Yeah I mean I. I don't know how much my characters chains absolutely i. It has changed a different guy that I was when I was twenty. Two maybe in the May on the battlefield. Maybe it's it's more rare. You know who were to the point where he's writing straight up. It can't be changed. Yeah it's it's. It's strange that he's so I mean saying it's he'd more believed that a mountain move. Then someone's character move that's a really bowl thing and look. I got plenty of examples where I know someone when they were you. Know Fifteen and then twenty and then twenty five and thirty and it's the same guy the whole time. Sometimes it's the person's just as upstanding in their character the whole time and sometimes they go sometimes. They're just a scumbag from day. One and your leg up now. That's didn't expect much much less than that. And then there's some people that progress and there's some people that that regress bright some people get treated bad they go through and their character goes down so I think we're in mutual disagreement with General Omar Bradley. On this point I think people's character can absolutely improve and I think I think he can get worse as well. Here's somebody gets what's that burned right. You get hurt by someone you burned by a girl you get burned by one of your friends. That'll change your character. Yeah yeah kind of the same deal right. Some big revelation you know or some big impactful event or the wrong influence over time over time and time and you know you start hanging around with on wrong people get into drugs or something like this where it's kind of like man my whole life is like if you don't lie cheat and Steal You. Kinda don't live you know you Kinda. Don't survive Ken in this environment. Something like that. Yeah that would make sense to you. Check all he's wrapped. That's the last characteristic talks about all leaders must possess these qualities which I have been discussing and the great leaders are those who protect possess one or more of them to an outstanding degree some leaders just being great because they are weak in one or more of these areas there's still another ingredient in this formula for a great leader that I have left out and that is lock all caps. He must have opportunity then of course when opportunity knocks. He must be able to rise. Open the door cool. I mean look yes absolutely. I've been extremely lucky. I've seen people be extremely lucky. Obscene people being unlucky so luck absolutely plays a role. I will see you make your own luck to an extent. Luck is a tough one. I no one wants to. It's it's it's double-edged Sword Right. It's a double edged sword because you either of that guy got lucky right unions. The hard that guy works right or that guy got unlucky. You didn't see what that person did to end up in that unlucky spot and both those things can flip and they're both trend true. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's it gets real complicated thing. Yeah I mean I talk about leadership strategy. Doctors I talk about the the luck I had in. The seal team's all kinds of luck. Yeah all kinds of luck for sure just the people. I worked with the deployments that I did the situations that I was in. There's a law elector. Some of that luck manufactured some of it just straight up all caps within. It's like at the same time you can be like well. Even in a great result like a scenario with a great result. You could have been even more lucky very possible. You know it's like especially when when you Wanna point your finger in and be like and not putting your finger but you want to put your finger on a certain result and be like Oh. This was lucky brothers just way more to like okay. They're they're better results. That are that were possible. Yes right so you just chose to point your finger at this very specific result and be like this was lucky and then and then it's a spectrum you could have been like level less lucky and still had a great result kind of thing and then it goes down from there and it can go up from there too. So it's like the two anytime to label it luck as the thing. I mean th. They're extreme scenarios for sure. Oh Yeah like you win the lottery. That's Lucky Yeah. Technically in an does role model for. It's not the deal at all and it's just like it's like if you get A. Let's say this luck is a factor but it is a smaller factor than most people. Give it credit for though like you said there are times where people just get lucky. Oh yeah massively lucky and then you have to evaluate. What specific results are you talking about? Because if it's like okay. This person has a twenty million dollars in his in his bank account. That in and of itself is the result of some something right. Now you can start evaluating okay. Was it hard work and then with that hard work. It's like okay. What is their lucky in that kind of thing or did they win the lottery? Okay that's you know. That's a big lucky thing kind of thing. But you're just talking about the twenty million dollars in the count. You're not talking about his whole life. You're not talking about any of that. You're just talking about a very specific scenario. So that's why I think sometimes people get jammed up and they'll evaluate this whole big resulting scenario not a specific element in it. A big resulting scenario this person's life whatever successful in this way right and they're like. Oh Yeah it's Ju- it's he just got lucky but brad you're you're talking about that. Success has so many different elements in it good and bad by the way. And then you just wrap up losing and deliver a Luck label most likely a minor impact but it is an impact and there are times when it's a significant impact. But yeah it's it's straight up or most of the time any when you hear it. Straight mitigating every other factor. Oh people say oh. That guy's lucky for sure for sure when someone's trying to make excuses for themselves on why this person got this promotion and. I didn't know they were lucky. Is there no luck involved? There's some luck involved but let's not leave it to luck. Continue on some may ask. Why do you talk about the qualities of leadership? They maintain that you either have leadership or you don't that leaders are born not made I suppose some are born with a certain amount of leadership frequently. We see children who are who seem inclined to take charge and direct their playmates. The other youngsters follow these directions without protest but I am convinced. Nevertheless leadership can be developed and improved by study and training on a percent. There's no better way to develop leadership than to give the youngster or other individual a job involving responsibility and let him try to work it out. Try to avoid telling them how to do it. He's talking about youngsters as you've heard as I talk about leadership strategy and tactics. This is a technique. It's a technique to make people better leaders put them in leadership situations. Give them responsibility. Give job give them a task them they can do make them lead it. They lead it. They're successful their confidence goes up. Then he says tried avoiding how to telling them how to do it. Yeah that's decentralized command that for example is the basis for our whole system of combat orders. Yes combat there. Talk actually talking about something very specific. It's a way of delivering orders using commander's intent as opposed to telling you. Here's the mission. Here's the people. Here's the weapons. Here's everything here's exactly I want to do it instead. You just give them the mission you let them figure it out. They call that combat orders. F- well tell the subordinate. We tell the subordinate commander. What we want him to do and leave him to the details. I think this system is largely responsible for the many fine leaders in our services today. We are constantly training and developing younger officers and teaching them how to accept responsibility. However don't discount experience. Someone may remind you that Napoleon led armies before he was thirty and Alexander. The great died at the age of thirty three Napoleon as he grew older commanded even larger armies Alexander been even greater had. He lived longer and had more experience in this respect. I like I especially like General Bucknor's theory that judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment and he wraps it up here. I've been asked to speak on leadership in the past fairly well covered these same thoughts with other groups. Somehow however at the moment these thoughts take on added significance for me. You see my first. Great grandson was born a year ago. We call him fat Henry. What happens to his life into the lives of his contemporaries? May well be in your hands. Thank you so. It's a poignant kind of way to to wrap it up the fact that the the leaders right now that are listening to this the leaders that are learning the leaders that are reading they will end up running the world and they will end up running it well and making a better or running it bad than making it worse for fat Henry so interesting interesting. I'm sure we'll get to his book at some point but so much about leadership so many things that we hit we cover we see it from a different angle. Makes you better makes me better? Makes me better? Every time I get to the opportunity to think through these things in and of course the best way to train leaders is to make sure that we are being good leaders ourselves setting good example the best example that we can staying on the path you might say so since we are looking to stay on the PAF anything recommend Echo Charles for that conduct we do. WanNa keep ourselves capable improve the skills increase the skills one skill being jujitsu juice important skill to increase maintain our capability. Jujitsu. One of 'em keep working out if you're not working out workout. The week buddy is incapable body in a matter. Speaking kind that is true. You definitely want to be as strong as you can different for. Everybody use realistic. Bonnie be the be the best shape that you can be in. That's good advice. Can't really be denied. Be So when we're doing do we need a? We Need Rash. Guards get origin ghee. 'cause they're the best one hundred percent factually d'amerique in America. You know okay. Got Blown that off now made America's not a big deal anymore. Oh America bigger deal than ever. I think Americans supply chain. Yeah what's going on? So what raking sure can seem to me like you. Were just getting getting ready to move on without saying okay. I understand your feedback. Thank you America. Deal huge deal. 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America, This Is Your Wake-Up Call: God's Plan for Spiritual Transformation

Greg Laurie Podcast

33:00 min | 9 months ago

America, This Is Your Wake-Up Call: God's Plan for Spiritual Transformation

"The following message from pastor greg. Laurie is made possible by some special friends of this ministry pastor. Greg i wanted to say a special word of thanks to the harvest partners. Who make this ministry possible next time. Your online checkout pastor greg's personal blog at blog dot greg. Laurie dot com. Doesn't it seem like america is unraveling before our very eyes. I mean this is a nation. That needs to return to god today pastor greg. Laurie points out. The need for spiritual renewal in our land and how believers are called into service god not called us to isolate. He's called to infiltrate. He's called us to permeate and this century our culture with the truth of the gospel. God has limitless power. He's on nepotism but he often calls on his ever so limited children to help him accomplish is agenda. We're limited not only in our abilities but also in our willingness today on a new beginning pastor. greg. Laurie helps us embrace. God's plan for the spiritual transformation of our culture and he shows us that god empowers those. He directs if he sends us to do a job. He gives us the tool to get it done. Hope you have a bible in if you do churn to matthew chapter five so hurt a story about a woman that was walking down a beach and she sees something embedded in the sense she been down to see what it is and it looked like a lamb so she reached down. Picked it up brushes and sure enough. It's a lamp and a genie appears and he says oh. Master i will grant you one. Wish she responded one wis three wishes he said oh we've had to cut back covert nineteen. That's affected everything you can have one. Wish she thought about it for a moment and she pulls out a map of the middle east he says gene. There's always been conflict in the middle east. And i would like them to have some kind of a peace agreement that could live by so jeannie. That's my one wish. I want peace in the middle east. He said are you crazy. There's no way at ever going to happen. You've got to come up with something else. So she says well you know what cheney. I've always wanted to find one. Good man one that is considering in kind and fun and loves to cook and help with the house cleaning one that will smother me with affection and attention and he won't just sit around on the couch watching sports all day long. Yeah that's what. I want genie. I want one good man to genie. Says let me see that map again. You know sometimes. Things seem impossible right but the bible says with god. All things are possible. But doesn't it seem like america as unraveling before our very eyes. I mean this is a nation that was built on the word of god. We call it judeo christian values and we really did build this nation on those principles. A there was a time in our nation when we had the ten commandments on the wall of every classroom. We've just talked about the ten commandments. Recently think about that they were everywhere and even today if you to washington. Dc the ten commandments. Are there in the us supreme court building. Imagine if we would follow those ten commandments. It's so important. It could change our nation but no we got those ten commandments of the classroom walls. And we've disregarded them and we're now seeing the effects of the bible says when you so the wind you reap the whirlwind but think of the foundation of this unique nation that we have the privilege of living in our first president. George washington made this statement and i quote to distinguished character patriot. It should be our highest glory at even more distinguished character of christian and quo. James madison the fourth. Us president made this statement quote curse. It'd be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of jesus christ. I like that but some say no. America was not built on a biblical foundation or judeo christian principles. What are you talking about. Do you think you could. Protest like people are protesting in america right now. In other countries like china or cuba they would be quickly stopped if not imprisoned and executed now the very liberty that we have to express our feelings and declare. Our rights was given to us because we built this on the foundation of a belief in god. So here's what it comes down to. This foundation has eroded it was john adams our second president who made this team and then i quote the united states constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It has wholly inadequate for the government of any other end quote. This why the idea of nation building is not work as we've tried to do it in other parts of the world see. Our nation was born out of the soil of revival. We have another george on our history. Now george washington but george whitfield. He was an evangelist from england and he came over to the colonies and preach the gospel and thousands and thousands of people believed and it was in the wake of this revival that our nation was formed. So we're a nation built out of revival. And i think if we're going to continue as a nation where a nation that needs to return to revival or a spiritual awakening or to simplify it. We need to return to god. We have a choice as a nation. Two choices really judgment or revival. Listen judgement is coming to every nation of the world including america but we're praying that judgment will be postponed by god a little bit longer and that we might see at least one more spiritual awakening. Peter marshall the former chaplain to the. Us senate wants made this statement. And i quote that choice before us. It's plain christ or chaos conviction. Our compromise disciplined or disintegration. So do we have any hope in america. Is there anything we can do. As followers of jesus to help our nation turn the right direction. I think the answer is a resounding. Yes and it's found in the words of jesus right here in matthew chapter five starting in verse thirteen. He says you are the salt of the earth but if the salt loses it's flavor how shall abc's and it's good for nothing but to be thrown down and trampled underfoot by men. You are the light of the world. A city that is on a hill cannot be hidden nor do you light a lamp and put it under a basket but on a limb stand and it gives light to all who are in the house. So let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and give glory to your father which is in heaven. Salt and light. Why did jesus use these two word pictures because the world is a very dark place and the world is an evil place. And so jesus uses to very intentional illustrations to explain to us what we need to do as followers to start the biblical world view of this culture darken. It is getting darker. it's our nature as people. We always go in the wrong direction. We always default towards sinful things never toward godly things. General omar bradley wants made this incredible statement. We have grasped the mystery of the atom. But we have forgotten the sermon. On the mount the world has achieved brilliance without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. End quote and that is so very true so as we look in america and we see there. We're going the wrong direction we say. Well that's it. there's nothing we can do. I think there are things that we can do. Here's what we should do. We should not try to escape. The culture altogether or engage in isolation. That's virtually impossible but to make the point god does not call us to isolate. He's called us to infiltrate. He's called us to permeate and the century our culture with the truth of the gospel. He's not called us to evade. He's called us to invade to go into all the world and proclaimed the good news of jesus christ now tricky balance because the bible says don't love the world neither the things that are in the world and also told them romans chapter twelve. Don't be conformed to this world. But yet at the same time jesus and john seventeen. I'm not going to take them out of the world. i'm going to keep them safe from the evil one. And then he says the father. I'm sending them into the world. Listen the only way to change the world to go into the world with the gospel so we don't want this culture to change us but yes we do want to change the culture. So let's not try to withdraw. Let's try to be a good influence mr greg. Laurie will have the second half of his message. In just a moment we hear from so many people who find christ through these studies. Some tough times faster greg. Thirty two years ago. I lost a great job which included many material things i was following my own path. And not god's will. I ended up in jail and after being released. I became a trucker. And if now recommitted my life to christ through your ministry. Thank you pastor greg for your teachings since my recommitment i've been able to lead my son and other children to christ. I now believe that the things that happened in my earlier life have brought me closer to his will his better than mine. I will lift my hands. Hi and thank the lord everyday for his word and for your teachings. I can do all things through christ who strengthens me. We're so happy that these daily studies are touching and changing lives in. If your life has been changed would you tell us your story. Call one eight six six eight seven one eleven forty four. That's eight six. Six eight seven one one one four. Well today pastor. Greg is pointing out how we're christian soldiers and our job is to infiltrate and permeate the culture with the gospel of jesus. Christ you continues now so this is a battle that we're engaged in and we're either winning or losing in this we're either advancing or retreating because as believers. We must realize that we are behind enemy lines. I was watching a world war film recently. And there's a scene where the commanding officer says that the paratroopers of easy company. That were behind enemy lines. A panzer division is about to cut you off and you guys are going to be surrounded and the lieutenant in charge of easy company says where paratroopers were supposed to be surrounded. How true see we've been dropped behind enemy lines. Yeah we're surrounded by people that don't share our views. We are in hostile territory and not everybody's going to respond in the affirmative to the message that we give someone respond favorably to the message of the gospel that we're proclaiming and come to faith and others will not second corinthians to fourteen. Paul says now wherever we go he uses us to tell others about the lord and to spread the good news like a sweet perfume. Our lives paul writes are like a fragrance presented by christ to god and this fragrance is perceived differently by those who are being saved and by those who are perishing so we're a fragrance to summon well a stench to others. You know. some people wear too much cologne. Just a little tip for you. People that love perfume less is more jet just two little. I've seen people like have a pool of it in the palm of their and throw it on and then everyone that come into contact with smells like that cologne. So you don't want to be that person but it can be a fragrance when you're a follower of jesus something that's wonderful a believer enters the room of a lever enters the conversation a believer in the culture that can change the temperature of a room. They can change so many things sometimes. It's their presence. And then of course what they say makes a huge difference as well but what is a fragrance to som- is a stench to others take garlic as an example. Garlic is great on food garlic. Smells good when it's cooking but it doesn't smell so great when it's on someone's breath afterwards. Does it so living. God league will reach some people and other people will be offended by it but look my job is to live in. Share the gospel but before it can effectively. Tell them i miss. I live it because nothing is a worse witness. Hypocritical christian you know. I encourage believers to share their faith. If you're a christian. I encourage you to engage people in evangelistic conversations. You know people are scared right now. There's a lot of uncertainty in the air. A lot of uncertainty in their lives as you know. Since the corona virus hit us opioid use. Alcohol sales are suicide. Rates are up calls to suicide help. Lines are up. People are looking for truth that this is a moment for us to step into that conversation. Talk about the hope. We have found in christ but let me say something that might surprise you for some people out there i would say. Please don't talk about. Jesus you say greg you just contradicted yourself now. Here's what i'm saying. If you're seeking live godly. Life not a perfect life well short. I'll mess up but you're seeking to live a godly life by all means look for opportunities to talk about jesus. But if you're living the hypocritical life if you are contradicting what. The bible says by the way that you live pleased to a solid fever. Don't talk about jesus. In fact you might just focus on repenting of your sin in getting right with god before you talk to others but i think our culture today is looking for authenticity. A w. toes or a preacher from days gone by made this statement and i quote the world is waiting to hear an authentic voice of voice from god not an echo from what others are doing insane but an authentic voice and and i think that is so very true. So wannabe be salt. Salt effectively earns us the right to be light. Let me explain sea salt back in. Its day with something of great value and in fact roman soldiers would sometimes be paid in salt hence the term. He's not worth his salt. Salt was valuable. Salt would something that stop the spread of rotting in meat. They would cut them meet up in strips and and they would embed salt in it so it could be preserved. This was before refrigeration and in the same way. that's what we should be doing is followers of jesus. Christ christians that stop the spread of evil in our culture today. It's christians that stand up for the rights of the born. It's christians at speak out against racism and try to bring about reconciliation. It's christians that are out there. Doing good works helping people who are in need if they believe as we believer. Not that's what it means to be sold out in our culture today and another thing. That's salt does it. It stimulates thirst. Remember back when we used to go to movies. Well you would get some popcorn and all of those things you get at the concession stand. Where so expensive. It's like you get a little popcorn. I'm medium-sized one. The size of a garbage can right and they fill it up and you know you get free refills. Okay thanks you walk up with your popcorn. But they over-salted and you're thirsty and you come and see. excuse me. can i get a glass of water. I'm sorry we're not allowed to give these comps out. But here's a little thimble you can get some water over there from the hose or you can buy some bottled water for forty dollars. That's more than you would ever drink in a single lifetime and that's kind of the way it works but saul stimulates thirst right and if you're really living for jesus as you want to and being the salt of the earth you will stimulate in others a desire to know god think of it as going out with someone to eat. Maybe someone invited you to dinner and you had already eaten any said well go along and just sit with you as you eat olive a cup of coffee. And so they order their burger and their fries and malt. And you're just sitting there drinking your coffee and usa. Hey man can. I have one of those fries shirt and take all you want and you eat that fry. Why is stolen food so much better than food that you order yourself in. Though sometimes on my wife is cooking cheek cut things up little portions. Here's the carrots. Here's the tomatoes. And how gopher and take a little kid. Don't take those those are the portions you'll mess up the portions but there's something very exciting about stolen food anyway going back to the fry so you eat them for some unknown reason. That's the greatest french fry you've ever had in your life and then you your own and they're not usually as good as a fry you took from someone else. Here's my point when someone's join a meal it makes you hungry. And in the same way when someone's walking with god and loves the lord it makes you want to know jesus as well this is what won me over to christ you know. I'm sort of the exception to the rule of how evangelism works. 'cause we generally say go out and share the gospel with people and they'll believe maybe invite them to church or something like that. Nobody invited me to anything. Nobody talked to me about anything. But i was on my high school campus and i saw these christians. I transferred over there from another campus. And we didn't have a bunch of christians on my other campus and these followers of jesus are everywhere. My friends warming greg. The jesus freaks are everywhere. Here be careful. And i said oh. Yeah the last thing it's ever going to happen is greg. Laurie would become a jesus freak famous last words. But here's what interested me about. These people is. They had this joy they had this happiness. They had something. I did not have something that i was trying to capture the use of drugs and there was an emptiness my life and it was their walk with god that attracted me to them so i ended up at one of their meetings and i wasn't even invited but i was sitting far enough away where i could hear what they're saying but not so close that people would think i was one of them. That was the first time. I heard the gospel and when i heard what it meant to be a christian that was the day i gave my life to the lord but my point is simply this. The thing that reads me was christians beans salty now by salty. I mean it was christians. Living as christians ought to live and it was a very attractive thing to me. But you know what's sad is when christians are not salty. Look through five thirteen. Jesus says you're the salt of the earth but if the salt has lost its flavor how shall it be season. It's good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by man. Wow heavy duty words from christ. Good for nothing. Basically jesus is saying of salt isn't saul t. What good is it with a friend some time ago and we went to a coffee place and and i got my normal cappuccino with an extra shot of espresso and and he said he would like to have a decaf low fat low and i just looked at him and said why i mean one. Don't you just order an empty cup. Pretend you're drinking something. I mean decaf low fat. All the fun is gone right and what we have. Today are decaf disciples. What we have today are christians. That aren't salty. Like they ought to be like when coke goes flat. Who wants to drink it. We have done carbonated christians. And jesus is saying good is it. If you're not being the salt at. I have called you to be Pastor greg laurie pointing out that we need to be robust full-strength productive representatives of christ good encouragement today here on a new beginning. And there's more to come in this message and by the way on today's podcast you can hear some additional discussion at the end of the program between pastor. Greg are special in studio guests. If you missed any part of today's insight you can catch up. I going to harvest dot org. Just look for the message called america. This is your wake-up call or for a permanent copy on cd. Call us at one. Eight hundred eight to one thirty three hundred. That's one eight hundred eight two one three three zero zero. And we're here to take your call anytime. Twenty four seven. And then we wanna mention a resource for highlighting right now. The jesus storybook bible a christmas collection by author. Sally lloyd jones pastor. Grace wife. kathy is with us today. Kathy you're a mother and a grandmother and in years ago you read stories to your two boys and more recently. You've read stories to your five grandkids. So when a certain resource gets the kathy. Laurie seal of approval. It's worth mentioning and and you want to highlight such a book today. Don't you oh. Don't get me started on. Sally lloyd jones and her books i discovered sally's jesus storybook bible. Golly so many years ago it has become a favorite in our home. It has ministered to my heart so many times. And i think that if i could say this. She is my favorite children's author. I love everything she writes. I and i think it's just brilliant. How she has created a resource for families at this time. Because i believe that through this whole season of covid we need to pour into our children. Parents need to take up the incredible privilege and responsibility of of informing their kids. It's been difficult through this. Because a lot of children's ministries through church have been shut down now the opportunity to take hold of that responsibility ourselves as moms as grandmothers grandfathers that we would take on this. And can i just say that. Although sally is writing with a child in mind The truth that she is able to articulate our. They're just profound they are. They are deep. They are rich. And and the story of jesus coming into the world to fix his broken. Creation is so appropriate right now because we look at things all around us in there is such heartbreak and things have been taken and things have been lost that we held onto and thinking. Is there a way forward. But we see that. So beautifully played out in the story of redemption. That god this isn't take him by surprise he knew exactly what we would be facing. And he has shown us in his word that if he can take the broken of creation restore it and redeem it Through the work of his son jesus and coming into this world he can do that for us in our individual lives as well. That's right so if you wanna bring that comforting message to your family to your children. We are offering a resource. We've never offered before. It's called the jesus storybook bible a christmas collection. Beautifully written amazing illustrations and a little button. You can push on. Various page is to hear the voice of actor. David suchet read to you There's mary and joseph had to take a trip to bethlehem the town king. David was from but when they reached the little town they found every room was full. Every bed was taken. It's called the jesus storybook bible a christmas collection. This would be quite expensive if you went out and do a store and purchased it but we are offering it to our listeners. For your gift of any size we get is send a generous gift because it helps us. Continue on to bring this radio broadcast pizza. The word of god proclaimed the gospel and for your gift of any size. We'll rush you your copy of the jesus storybook bible christmas collection written by our friend. Sally lloyd jones. Yeah that's right. We have a copy here waiting for you get in touch right away so we can get it on its way and thank you for your generosity in investing so that these daily programs can continue touching lives. You can write us at a new beginning box. Four thousand riverside california nine to five one four or call one eight hundred eight to one thirty three hundred. We're here to take your call around the clock seven days a week again. Dial one eight hundred eight two one. Three three zero zero or go online to harvest dot org and look for the jesus storybook bible christmas collection. And we'll only be mentioning this resource mishra time longer. Well next time pastor. Greg brings us more insight on how we can affect our culture and help begin a spiritual awakening find out the park. You can play next. Time on new beginning with pastor greg. Laurie all right. We have some extra time hereafter program. Back to you greg o. Keys sally as an american. I love british people. I know we broke away from you. And we have the revolutionary war. But we're friends again and so tell me what do you think is the best food that england has to offer. Oh that's very hard. I know everyone will be laughing thinking. That's not very hard but it gets a very bad rap. British food but one of the best inventions is scones cream. Teas which is in case. You don't know hot. i did. On's you to know. But and clotted cream and on top of each other if i crease. Yeah if i could have one desert that would be. It would be really good. Yes i think one thing that the brits zone is dessert we recall it pudding. We call it reading and we're listening another thing. They own the own toast for some reason. Toast an american restaurant polaroid. The brits have the little thing to stack it in. And you've got the butter that's or that little thing is called a toast rack. The tolls threat. So let me ask you things that that perplex me. Why do you call a windshield a windscreen. And why do you call the hood of a car a bonnet that makes no sense to me. Well we could just turn around and say well we. Why do you call a bonnet or hood. Well because hood over an engine know. Hey i'm asking the question. I'm asking the question. Tier miss woman from england. So you don't have a trunk boot. Is that correct. Yes and then. I had this very funny joke when a brit says i'm mad about my flat. It means i'm really crazy about my apartment when an american says i'm mad about my flat it means. I'm really annoyed about my flat tire very good. Yeah that's funny. Sally lloyd jones. I like that. So what is your favorite food in america and do you consider yourself more american than british or are you kind of cop between two worlds a little bit a little bit court. I think i always will feel british. I write in a british way. I have a british accent. I don't think i can ever really believe. I'm not british but i love that about america that you can come an even be as british and still be american. That's one of the great things i think but in quarantine in this pandemic time. I'm staying with friends. Who wants from cuba and ones from mexico. And i am actually this. British person has become quite an expert at. I've got to get it right. Pulled pork karnataka's come only so thank goodness those cornelius. Guacamole out for dinner last night. greg. I think we did. Do you think clotted cream would fit on pulled pork car. Neither i actually think it would. Sour cream does I it's true. Let's be honest. Clotted cream could be added to anything. Anything sweet though. Isn't it now on creams. No it's it's it's hard to describe. You have different. You have different kinds of cream. Double and triple cream and clotted cream. And and hav cream and cream semi hoff's skimmed cream cream obsessed. What is your favorite food in america. That you can't really find in england. Well i think pizza really really good pizza. You can own well you could get that initially couldn't you but i love new york for that really incredible pizza that's really true and then very good burgers. Here i'm free how fam- i look all these terrible choice. Seizing you're picking things. it's burgers and mexican food. Those are pretty much. Don't don't leave her alone with a box of donuts. No i oh no. I can't eat one of those. And i look back and say what happened all donuts. Yes i was being very worthy. And i said to kathy. No i won't have a donato. i'll just have one of those little sample doughnuts. And she said no. I'm going to order. To which ones would you have if you wanted to taste. And before she could finish won hers had both of them so funny. That is facing donuts in england. I tried to remember. Have i ever seen donuts in a are in england. But there's one in new york called the plant plant doughnut shop. That square and my mother is completely obsessed with donuts. You know the ones she gets in england. She completely went insane about these square doughnuts. But i've never worked out to smuggle them in. Not i would smuggle them in overseas so there go folks just a little talk about the different cuisines of america new england with sally lloyd jones who not only writes amazing children's books but has very strong opinions about including donuts. Thank you so much.

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America, This Is Your Wake-Up Call: Don't Think God Can't Use You

Greg Laurie Podcast

27:13 min | Last month

America, This Is Your Wake-Up Call: Don't Think God Can't Use You

"You're listening to a new beginning with greg laurie. A podcast made possible by harvest partners. Helping people everywhere. No god visit our website and learn more about harvest partners at harvests dot. Org doesn't it. Seem like america is unraveling before our very eyes. I mean this is a nation. That needs to return to god today pastor greg. Laurie points out. The need for spiritual renewal in our land in how believers are called into service. God is not called us to isolate. He's called us to infiltrate. He's called us to permeate and this century our culture what the truth of the gospel has limitless power. He's on nipah often calls on his ever. So limited children to help him accomplish kingdom agenda. We're limited not only in our abilities but also in our willingness today on a new beginning pastor greg. Laurie helps us embraced. God's plan for the spiritual transformation of our culture and he shows us that god empowers those. He directs if he sends us to do a job. He gives us the tools to get it done you and hope you have a bible and if you do turn to matthew chapter five hurt her story about a woman that was walking down a beach and she sees something embedded in the sense. She bends down to see what it is and it looked like a lamp so she reached down. Picked it up and sure enough. It's a lamp and a genie appears and he says oh master i will grant you one. Wish she thought about it for a moment and she pulls out a map of the middle east he says genie. There's always been conflict in the middle east. And i would like them to have some kind of a peace agreement could live by so jeannie. That's my one wish. I want peace in the middle east. He said are you crazy. There's no way at ever going to happen. You've got to come up with something else. So she says well. You know what. I've i've always wanted to find one. Good man one. That has considerate in kind and fun and loves to cook and help with the house cleaning one there will smother me with affection and attention and he won't just sit around on the couch watching sports all day long. Yeah that's what. I want genie. I want one good man to genie. Says let me see that map again. You know sometimes. Things seem impossible right but the bible says with god. All things are possible. But doesn't it seem like america as unraveling before our very eyes. I mean this is a nation that was built on the word of god. We call it judeo christian values and we really did build this nation on those principles. There was a time in our nation when we had the ten commandments on the wall of every classroom. We've just talked about the ten commandments recently. Thinking about that they were everywhere. And even today if you go to washington. Dc the ten commandments. Are there in the us supreme court building. Imagine if we would follow those ten commandments. it's so important. Nick chains our nation. But we got those ten commandments of the classroom walls. And we've disregarded them and we're now seeing the effects of the bible says when he was so the wind you reap the whirlwind but think of the foundation of this unique nation that we have the privilege of living in our first president. George washington made this statement and i quote to the distinguished character patriot. It should be our highest glory to add even more distinguished character of christian and quo. james. Madison the fourth. Us president made this statement quote curse. It'd be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of jesus. Christ i like that but some will say i'll know america's not built on a biblical foundation or judeo christian principles. Are you talking about. Do you think you could protests. Like people are protesting in america right now. In other countries like china or cuba day would be quickly stopped if not imprisoned and executed. No the very liberty that we have to express our feelings and declare. Our rights was given to us because we built this on the foundation of a belief in god. So here's what it comes down to. This foundation has eroded it was john adams our second president who made this team and then i quote the united states constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other and quote. This is why the idea of nation building is not work as we've tried to do it and other parts of the world see. Our nation was born out of the soil of revival. We have another george on our history. Washington george whitfield. He was an evangelist from england and he came over to the colonies and preach the gospel and thousands and thousands of people believed and it was in the wake of this revival that our nation was formed. So we're a nation built out of revival and continuous as a nation. We're a nation that needs to return to revival or a spiritual awakening or to simplify it. We need return to god. We have a choice as a nation. Two choices really judgment or revival. Listen judgement is coming to every nation of the world including america but we're praying that judgment will be postponed by god a little bit longer and that we might see at least one more spiritual awakening. Peter marshall the former chaplain to the. Us senate wants made this statement. And i quote the choice before us is playing christ or chaos conviction. Our compromise disciplined or disintegration. So do we have any hope in america. Is there anything we can do. As followers of jesus to help our nation turn in the right direction. I think the answer is a resounding. Yes and it's found in the words of jesus right here in matthew chapter five starting in verse thirteen. He says you are the salt of the earth but if the salt loses it's how shall a. b. c.'s and it's good for nothing but to be thrown down and trampled underfoot by men. You are the light of the world. A city that is on a hill cannot be hidden nor do you light a lamp and put it under a basket but on a lamp stand and it gives light to all who are in the house. So let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and give glory to your father which is in heaven. Salt and light. Why did jesus used these two word pictures because the world is a very dark place and the world is an evil place. And so jesus uses to very intentional illustrations to explain to us what we need to do as followers to start the biblical world view of this culture. Is this dark in. It is getting darker. it's our nature as people. We always go in the wrong direction. We always default towards sinful things never toward godly things. General omar bradley once made this incredible statement. We have grasped the mystery of the atom. But we have forgotten the sermon. On the mount the world has achieve brilliance without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giant an ethical infants and quote and that is so very true so as we look at america we see. They're going the wrong direction. we say. well that's it. there's nothing we can do. I think there are things that we can do. Here's what we should do. We should not try to escape. The culture all together or engage in isolation that's virtually impossible but to make the point. God does not called us to isolate. He's called us to infiltrate. He's called us to permeate and this century our culture with the truth of the gospel. He's not called us to ebeid. He's called us to invade to go into all the world and proclaimed the good news of jesus christ now too tricky balance. Because the bible says don't love the world needed of the things that are in the world and we're also told them romans chapter twelve. Don't be conformed to this world. But yet at the same time jesus is and john seventeen. I'm not gonna take them out of the world. i'm going to keep them safe from the evil one. And then he says the father i'm sending them into the world. Let's the only way to change. The world is to go into the world with the gospel so we don't want this culture to change us but yes we do want to change the culture. So let's not try to withdraw. Let's try to be a good influence pastor greg. Laurie we'll have the second half of his message in just a moment. Emails letters and phone calls. Let us know that. You're gaining benefit from pastor. Greeks teaching it's valuable feedback. I get pastor. Greg email daily and every time i get one the holy spirit is speaking to me in that email every single day in. Its make a huge difference in my life. I can't wait to look at it to see what the holy stirred has to say to meet him. Listen to your program every morning at six thirty five. No matter get to bed at ten o'clock twelve o'clock. I'm always up to hearing just energize me when i hear the message. She gives me new hope every day. God bless you. We're so grateful to hear how pastor greg's messages are touching lives in if you have a story to tell of how these studies have impacted you. Why not call us and give us all the details. Here's the number one. Eight six six eight seven one one one four four one eight six six eight seven one eleven forty four today pastor. Greg is pointing out how we're christian soldiers and our job is to infiltrate and permeate the culture with the gospel of jesus. Christ he continues now so this is a battle that we're engaged in and we're either winning or losing in this battle we either advancing or retreating because as believers. We must realize that we are behind enemy lines. I was watching a world war film recently. And there's a scene where the commanding officer says that the paratroopers of easy company. That we're behind enemy lines. A division is about to cut you off. And you guys are going to be surrounded surrounded and the lieutenant in charge of easy company says where paratroopers were supposed to be surrounded out true. See we've been dropped behind enemy lines. Yeah we're surrounded by people that don't share our views. We are in hostile territory and not everybody's going to respond in the affirmative to the message that we give someone respond favorably to the message of the gospel that we're proclaiming and come to faith and others will not second corinthians to fourteen. Paul says now wherever we go he uses us to others about the lord and to spread the good news like a sweet perfumed. Our lives paul writes are like a fragrance presented by christ to god and this fragrance is perceived differently by those who are being saved by those who are perishing so we're a fragrance to summon well stench to others. You know some people wear too much cologne and just a little tip for you. People that love cologne or perfume less is more just two little. I've seen people like have a pool of it in the pomodoro and throw it on and then everyone that come into contact with smells like that cologne so you don't wanna be that person but it can be a fragrance when you're a follower of jesus something that's wonderful a believer enters. A room of a lever enters the conversation a believer in the culture. They can change the temperature of a room. They can change so many things sometimes. It's their presence. And then of course what they say makes a huge difference as well but what is a fragrance to some is a stench to others. Take garlic as an example. Garlic is great on food. Carlin smells good when it's cooking but it doesn't smell so great when it's on someone's breath afterwards does it so living godly. We'll read some people and other people will be offended by it but look my job is to live in. Share the gospel. But before i can effectively tell them i must. I live it because nothing is a worse witness than a hypocritical christian encourage believers to share their faith. If you're a christian. I encourage you to engage people in avenge realistic conversations. You know people are scared right now. There's a lot of uncertainty in the air. A lot of uncertainty in their lives opioid use alcohol. Sales are suicide rates are calls to suicide help. Lines are up so people are looking for truth that this is a moment for us to step into that conversation. Talk about the hope. We have found in christ but let me say something that might surprise you for some people out there i would say. Please don't talk about jesus you greg. You just contradicted yourself. No here's what i'm saying. If you're seeking to live a godly life. Not a perfect life. Well fall short. We'll all mess up. But you're seeking to live a godly life by all means look for opportunities to talk about. Jesus but if. You're living a hypocritical. Life if you are contradicting what. The bible says by the way that you live pleased to a solid fever. Don't talk about jesus. In fact you might just focus on repenting of your sin in getting right with god before you talk to others but i think our culture today is looking for authenticity. A w. toes or a preacher from days gone by made this statement and i quote the world is waiting to hear an authentic voice of voice from god not an echo from what others are doing insane but an authentic voice end quote. And i think that is so very true. So wannabe salt. Salt effectively earns us the right to be light. Let me explain you. Sea salt back in its day was something of great value and in fact roman soldiers would sometimes be paid in salt hence the term. He's not worth their salt. Salt was valuable. Salt would something that stop the spread of rotting in meet. They would cut them meet up in strips and and they would embed salt in it so it could be preserved. This was before refrigeration and in the same way. that's what we should be doing is followers of jesus. Christ you know. It's christians that stop the spread of evil in our culture today. It's christians that stand up for the rights of the unborn. It's christians that speak out against racism and try to bring about reconciliation. It's christianson are out there. Doing good works helping people who are in need if they believe. Is we believer. Not that's what it means to be sold out in our culture today and another thing that salt does it. It stimulates thirst. Remember back when we used to go to movies. Well you would get some popcorn and all of those things you get at the concession stand. Where so expensive. It's like get a little popcorn medium size and one the size of a garbage can right and they fill it up and you get free refills. Okay thanks you'll walk up with your popcorn but they over-salted and you're thirsty and you come and see. Excuse me. I get a glass of water. I'm sorry we're not allowed to give these comps out. But here's a little thimble you can get some water over there from the host or you can buy some bottled water for forty dollars. That's more than you. Whatever drink in a single lifetime and that's just kind of the way it works but saul stimulates thirst right and if you're really living for jesus as you want to. And being the salt of the earth you will stimulate in others a desire to know. God think of it as going out with someone to eat. Maybe someone invited you to dinner and had already eaten. And he said well. I'll go along to just sit with you as you eat olive a cup of coffee and so they ordered their burger and fries and malt. And you're just sitting there drinking your coffee and say hey man. Can i have one of those fries shirt and take all you want and you eat that. Fry wii stolen food so much better than food that you order yourself. Sometimes on my wife is cooking. She cut things up little portions. Here's the carrots here's tomatoes and how go and take a little kid. Don't take those those are the portions you'll mess up the poor sense but there's something very exciting about stolen food anyway going back to the fry so you eat them for some unknown reason. That's the greatest french fry you've ever had in your life and then you are your own and they're not usually as good as the fry you took from someone else. Here's my point when someone's join a meal it makes you hungry. And in the same way when someone's walking with god and loves the lord it makes you want to know jesus as well this is what won me over to christ you know. I'm sort of the exception to the rule of how evangelism works. 'cause we generally say go out and share the gospel with people and they'll believe maybe invite them to church or something like that. Nobody invited me to anything. Nobody talked to me about anything. But i was on my high school campus and i saw these chris chance. I transferred over there from another campus. And we didn't have a bunch of christians other campus and these followers of jesus are everywhere. My friends warming greg. The jesus freaks are everywhere. Here be careful. And i said oh. Yeah the last thing that's ever going to happen is greg. Laurie would become a jesus free famous last words. But here's what interested me about. These people is. They had this joy they had this happiness. They had something. I did not have something that i was trying to have through the use of drugs and there was an emptiness in my life and it was their walk with god that attracted me to them so i ended up at one of their meetings and i wasn't even invited but i was sitting far enough away where i could hear what they're saying but not so close that people would think i was one of them and that was the first time i heard the gospel and when i heard what it meant to be a christian that was the day i gave my life to the lord but my point is simply this. The thing that reads me was christians being salty now by salty. I mean it. Was christians. Living as christians opt to live and it was a very attractive thing to me. But you know what's sad is when christians are not salty. Look five thirteen. Jesus says you're the salt of the earth but if the salt has lost its flavor how shall it be seasoned. It's good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by man. Wow heavy duty words from christ. Good for nothing. Basically jesus is saying of salt isn't saul t. What good is it with a friend some time ago and we went to a coffee place and and i got my normal cappuccino with an extra shot of espresso and and he said he would like to have a decaf low fat low and i just looked at him and said why i mean. What did you just order an empty cup. Pretend you're drinking something. I mean decaf low fat. All the fun is gone right and what we have. Today are decaf disciples. What we have today are christians. That aren't salting like they ought to be or like when coke goes flat. Who wants to drink it. We have done carbonated christians. And jesus the thing would could is it. If you're not being the salt. That i have called you to be pastor greg. Laurie pointing out that. We need to be robust full-strength productive representatives of christ good encouragement today here on a new beginning. And there's more to come in this message. If you missed any part of today's insight you can catch up by going to harvest dot org. Just look for the message called america. This is your wake-up call we'll pass were excited about making available a couple of warm-hearted resources from our good friend. Sally lloyd jones. Sally is a good friend of yours. And kathy's and yes. I know as you've some your way through these new resources. They really touched your heart as well absolutely dave. You know they're just what is the right word. They're just charming. They're adorable their Their biblical and yet. They're done so beautifully well so a child can understand them. You know it's been said that. The objective of a preacher is to get the cookies on the lower shelf so the children can get to them. And i think that sally lloyd jones does an amazing job with the projects. She works on from the jesus. Storybook bible to this special resource were offering right now that is simply called near and she always brings it home in a way. A child can understand so she works with this very talented artists named johnny go and this is beautifully illustrated and as a graphic artist. I really appreciate his. His design sensibilities detention to detail. And this is based on some one thirty nine so this is something i wanna put in the hands of the folks out there especially you then have young children or you that have grandchildren. You give them this little book and they're to want to open it and look at the pictures and read it or you can read it to them. But i promise you they're to want to open this and check it out because this is so well done. Otherwise why would we offer it to you. We're very intentional. What we choose to bring your attention here at harvest because we want to provide you with the finest spiritual resources so you can reach your family. Both young and old. Well you've got a copy of it right there in front of you. Maybe you could read just a little bit of the book for share. So david five is gonna read this to my grand kids. I would read it along these lines. God is my father. Who made everything. And i'm a little explorer of the wide world. He is near me and he protects me he sees me and he knows me. He is strong and he looks after me. He is with me. Always however far i go. He's always near me. I could climb the highest mountain. I could find to the highest star. I can dive into the deepest see. I could sail far far away to the north pole. It would still be there. I could trek new jungle. I could break through desert zoom as fast as light would still be there even in the dark at night. Still be there. He stays close to me. Anyone ever leave me. Because i'm as little child and he loves me. Isn't that great. Those are the words of sally. Lloyd jones from her children's book near and we've added a little bit of enhancement ourselves. But you know you can add your own creativity as you read this wonderful story to your children or grandchildren. The sky's the limit and by the way we'll also include sally's resource called babies. Carry along bible and adorable little board book with ten bible. Stories told in rhyme wilson both resources near and babies carry along bible to thank you for your donation right now. you know. it's your partnership that allows us to bring pastor. Greg studies each day. 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Lunar Discoveries - Best of Coast to Coast AM- 9/3/20

The Best of Coast to Coast AM

20:21 min | 11 months ago

Lunar Discoveries - Best of Coast to Coast AM- 9/3/20

"Hey it's your homie. Sorry. It's your home i. know you don't like it when I call myself your me. So I have some favors to ask you could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room? My floorboards are tired and other easy thing we could save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with Geico, one more thing I know you love lavender scented candles but could be try to he should vanilla I think it would fit better. For Bundling. GEICO DOT com today. My name is Langston Carmen and I'm a black man who loves conspiracy theories. That's why I along with the beautiful oppressors that iheartradio and big money players have a brand new podcast called Mama told me where each week me a special guest will explore all the twisted conspiracies that the white man is keeping secret. So listen to my Mama told me available on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or anywhere else that pods are cast. Now. Here's a highlight from coast to coast am on Iheartradio and welcome back to coast to coast George. Noory, with the along with Ridge Sterling we'll take calls next hour with Rick Rick we had a fifty year head start on China fifty here head start at least how did they come flying in so fast Well. They've got a government to supporting it one hundred percent pumping huge amounts of money into it. It's IT'S A it's a towel tearing state. So they don't get any criticisms from anybody. they've got their training students in the sciences and math and physics and chemistry on an incredible rate. They understand the importance of science to their national economy to space exploration and their national defense and and the pursuit of their own national interests. So we in some ways, we ought to take a clue from them. You know we've got. An educational system in this country this largely collapsed in many ways the president is mentioned this many times and he's also mentioned the important. Effect. That project artem the president's plan to send astronauts back to the Moon to Mars and the space Moore's. Also, because it would protect all those space assets. The incredible positive effect that will have on the education of students It will give them a tremendous motivation to want to go into the space field into the sciences and studied. If they know, they can become involved with a project this GonNa send astronauts to the moon and Mars it'll be you know you'll have tremendous amounts of American students going into into the sciences look. What happened after President Kennedy started the Apollo Program you had tremendous amounts of students that went into the sciences and physics and chemistry and math whatever the same thing that's going to happen. You know I I think president trump should be commended for the excellent job. He's done in creating both project Artemis and space but I WANNA get back to two one other thing I was talking about Chinese but I think it's very important. I want to go back to that article from on Time Dot Com, where I talked about the Russian satellite getting close to our reconnaissance satellites and I'm GonNA continue with to a couple more sentence. and. It says, it wasn't clear whether the cosmos satellites were threatening or surveilling the cage eleven, which is our big reconnaissance satellite, which is said to have the. Power of the Hubble Space Telescope, but it turned out that that was only the start of the twin surprises after the US expressed concern to Moscow after diplomatic channels. Earlier this year, the pair pulled away from the cage eleven and wizard around the Earth at more than seventy seven, thousand miles per hour then on July fifteenth. With the US analysts still tracking the birth Russian Satellite Cosmos two, five, four, three fired to project go project go into outer-space General John J. Raymond the top general the newly created US face force told Time, it was the first time that the US military has publicly alleged an instance of space space, anti-satellite weapons, test, troubling new development, and the emerging theater of orbital welfare to Raymond and supporters of this face for us, which is the first new branch of the US military. And seventy years Moscow's nesting doll satellites as the military has labeled the Cosmos triplets represent a threat not just to one really expensive piece of American spy hardware but to the basic functioning of modern America itself, I, want to put a comment about General General Raymond General Raymond undeniably is one of the finest military officers in American history. So I was thinking a few days ago what other? American military leader I would compare him to, and I thought for a while I said. I think the person he most reminds me of is General Omar Bradley General. Bradley was the commander of US forces at the Normandy invasion on D Day. He was an excellent he oversaw Katyn denise. By me oversaw patent and he he was over patting patent technically was under him. I mean I'm Oh. My body was technically under patented Sicily but. Bradley was the commander was chosen by Eisenhower to be the commander of the of the leader of the forces going into Normandy Omar Bradley was excellent military strategist, very, very, highly intelligent excellent leadership abilities. You know just ability to motivate men to get the job done. He was a very gold goal oriented person and I think General Raymond has the same characteristics. I. Consider him to be as I said before one of the finest military experts in American history. No, that's that's pretty big coming from Youtube wreck but not a lot of people know about this guy. Now. A lot of people don't even know about this space force face force is absolutely necessary I. don't even protect all our military satellites and civilian satellites as far as that goes some of the GPS satellites. military reconnaissance satellites, and military communication satellites and military navigation. Everything, every transaction we do from credit cards to everything else is all done through satellites now. So our whole economic posture in the in the in the United States and all over the world is tied into satellites. you know there's there's some discussion. Now we need a version of the space force, not some discussion. This is absolutely necessary that space force continue onto the moon. We may have to protect astronauts on the Lunar Gateway we may have to protect our assets on the lunar surface. We did. You know those are all very important things and you've got Russia and China. Now building a base at the South Pole, which is the same location we want to build but even more interesting enough they're building a base at the South Pole, which is at the same general area where these structures are depar- selasih structures. Now I don't know where that's a coincidence or not, but I do know one thing if these structures are artifacts and I think it's a very, very likely ninety, five percent or better that they are. We don't know what advanced technology might be in these things you know could be advanced energy production communication systems who knows what? Who knows yeah what would happen if we gave up project artists gave up the space for us the Chinese the Russians build a base they go over to this structure they get access to technology that could be two, hundred, several hundred or several thousand years ahead of our present technology. That would great. It would be a scientific catastrophe and a military catastrophe of unbelievable proportions I. think that's why president trump is very correct. I don't know what what the president knows about Selah or not. I haven't got the faintest idea but I do know he's absolutely correct. We have to protect ourselves from possible adversaries like Russia and China because you know who knows what what would happen just with our normal technology, we could run into a major problem but imagine what would happen if they got access to technology. That hundreds, thousand years ahead of us, that's why we have to get there before them build a base and sense of maybe even send an unmanned probe before that to find out what this thing is because if there is technology in their hundreds of thousands of years they edit was we have to get there before the Russians and the Chinese and the president is exactly correct that we have to protect our own country, our own assets at you know whether it'd be on the ground or on in space. Would you shake hands with the Chinese and the Russians and do this as a triplicate three? Well my view of it is this. You know we can't go into this situation you know in a very naive fashion and believed that the Russians and the Chinese which are basically totalitarian states if we're going to go into a negotiation with them and I'm not against that if we're going to go into negotiations with the Russians and Chinese one like general. Raymond says, we have to do it from a position of strength. That's what President Reagan believe. US Look prison president trump believes. And I think if we do that and that's why the having artists fully and I hope the Congress does funded a fully funded because the house hasn't but I hope when it gets to a conference committee you'll get a lot more funding. But I think that, yes, we can. We can negotiate with the Russians after all we had them on the space station we worked out an agreement with them but if we're going to negotiate with the Russians and Chinese and I agree that we should negotiate with them, you have to go into those negotiations from a position of strength. And you have to put your cards on the table and you have to say this is what we want. We understand that you have your own national interests. Don't even have to say they're tally -Talian states everybody knows that, but we have to be very concise and up board and say, this is what we want. This is how we WanNa do it and then we'll start the negotiations but you know we have to be careful because they are interested in their own self interest or national self-interest they're very ruthless governments. But at the same time we can negotiate with them. Why don't you go back to the Cuban missile crisis when President Kennedy negotiated with Mr Khrushchev and the Cuban missile crisis he had an enormous military advantage she had. You know hundreds and hundreds of ICBM's over a thousand B fifty two's and be forty, seven bombers. The Russians had something I got one hundred bombers arsenal missiles in Turkey. Yeah. We had missiles in Turkey those were slower not not like ICBM's but we had an. Era Submarines we had something like thirty two missiles and player submarines but and we had thousand ship navy. We had a massive conventional and nuclear superior over the Russians. That's one of the reasons back down because they couldn't deal with our strengths. So president, Kennedy knew that he knew it was important to negotiate with the Russians from a position of strength is what I'm trying to get Cruz. Back. down. We were on the brink of war with we would have war. There would have been a nuclear war and what what's interesting about the Cuban missile crisis is at President Kennedy was exactly correct not to send an invasion force what even prison Kennedy the or anybody in the American government didn't know at the time was in addition to these large Inter interesting ballistic missiles which something you'll get hit Washington Boston or whatever. the Russians had placed smaller tactical nuclear war weapons on cruise missiles and other what they called Luna rockets that when we call it frogs. And there were something like eighty or one, hundred, those all those bombs so that and the Russian. Contingent in Tuba. Had Been Given, independent authority to launch them if we launched an invasion. So if they if if we launched an invasion, one of the several, those bombs would have probably been used against invasion force over one hundred, thousand Americans would be killed. There's no president President Kennedy then been forced to retaliate. Once we retaliate against Uber I doubt it would have stopped then then you get into a problem in Europe and at that point you're into a global nuclear war so. President Kennedy. You know what to did but he did exactly the right thing at the right time you negotiated from a position of strength and he used almost an intuitive insight realize that we can't go in there on an invasion for well, they had that fiasco with the Bay of pigs before he even really got going. Yes he did and I. think that I'm very concerned about. Cuba absolutely, right. Well, die I gotTA. Tell you rick the history that goes way back I mean fifty sixty years ago is still cropping up to date isn't it? It still affects us and it's still affects us and You know what are those that old saying we don't learn from the past we can't build a better future. That's why history study of history is so. Important all this talk about tearing down statues of Columbus and present Lincoln and Frederick Frederick Douglass, and all the other important people in our history. It's crazy. If we don't learn from the past, we can't build a better future. I think history ought to be the one of the first that every student should learn in America not only American history, but world history is absolutely imperative. Rick. Sterling with us we're going to take calls with Rick next hour as we're talking about all things space let's get back to these artifacts that could be on the moon in your opinion. What could they be? I think some sort of mining operation. Of course, we won't really know until we get there. It looks like the area has been excavated has been mind. Might they be hours from past civilization? Thought about that. The Old Atlantis Theory I. believe there was a previous civilization but I'm not sure that that's what we're dealing with this. Okay. I think it's more. If I had to put the odds I'd say ninety five percents et five percent some earlier or civilization. How far that civilization gut by the way In May have developed advanced technology and may not we're just not sure but but this thing has just looks et I think it's more likely et what is on the moon that would be so worthwhile for mining. That's a good question. There's water for one thing. There's various types of rare minerals, rare earths and things like that. We don't know exactly what they were interested in You know we here's another thing. Is it mining or were were there you construction I was like a lab situation where they built huge structures basis underground fat was they still may be their. Pardon me they could be there functioning now underground bases underground basis could be functioning now I, I, doubt that's true. But then again, we won't know for sure until we got there. So you know this thing is artificial. Jordan. Just. There's no question in my mind is things are two hundred percent. uh. Sends an expedition there. We'll get a lot more data I think we you know you could justify since you're saying it's alive too but it doesn't really look exactly like some of the labs I've seen was sort of a style Idaho and it it looks like an artificial construction and then both of them right there together doctor mentions these paper. There's never been anything like this ever seen on the moon before that. Right there suggests strongly that its. That's huge. How easy is it to take out satellites and not know? WHO's taking them up? That's a good question. We track everything I think if somebody takes it out, we'll pretty much know who was doing it. You know we track once the Russians launched satellite we know. We know where it's launched, they mentioned plastic place takers. What's called the northern cosmodrone where they launch a lot of their military satellites We know exactly what what is launched when it's launched we pretty much know. where it's going and everything else or at least have some idea from the trajectory. So we are government monitors all these Russian launches when very precise manner we have you know some of the best technical experts in the world monitoring Russian space activities and Chinese space that we pretty much know what they're doing giving. There are two, thousand, six, hundred, sixty, six satellites they say orbiting the planet right now that's possible I mean we saw up since one you know. So it's it's very likely. Operational at this point. Collide with each other. Sometimes they do sometimes occasionally a satellite will collide with another one. There's a lot of space in between them and they're in different orbits and everything. So but occasionally, you'll have a collision. That's why we need what's called space situational awareness, which is one of the functions of the space. We're all these things we don't WanNa have collisions. Tracking all of them. You're yeah. You're damn right. We're tracking every damn thing. Is being tracked. And I would assume. If we were launching. Let's say to the moon with the with the astronauts we would have to track satellites to make sure we don't collide with them. Yeah if if we start to get into a situation where we have a lot of infrastructure in orbit around the moon on the way to the moon, we're going to have to know exactly where they are. We're probably going to need advanced navigational systems To get them there to mind to allow them to know exactly where they are in orbit that sort of lunar gps. Yeah. We'll probably need you know like I say space situational situational awareness. We're going to have to know where all these things are. So there's no collisions again, that's the space force function as one of their functions to know exactly where this is that there isn't a collision and also not exactly whether Russian satellites here if they put a laser on it, could they blast the lunar gateway or something I doubt that they would risk that but then again, you never know. So that's one of the things with the that's why the Space Force has to be looking at all possibilities. You know they have to look at all contingencies and You know like these Russian satellites that came near some of our? Reconnaissance vehicles to satellites they're getting. You know they've also the Russians and Chinese also have ground-based anti-missile anti-satellite missile systems that they've actually used to destroy satellites necessarily arch. Tests Satellites in orbit. So there's a lot of a weapon systems being developed by Russian China that we have to be careful with we're developing our own to counter them. But at the same time you know like I, say we WANNA go into on Gauche relations with the Russians. You can't go in with a naive view that you know that they're the good guys and they're going to just. Do it because they like is going to do it if it's in their own self interest, that's the nature of negotiations. So you have to be tough. You have to be prepared to be in a position of strength, but at the same time, like President Kennedy relies in prison trump realize you have to you have to you have to negotiate with them where does India stand with some of us any? Developed a lot of systems her. Space Vehicles You know they've had a couple probes that they've sent an orbit around the. Moon. Planning on a lunar sample return I don't know if I'm from for pronouncing a Shangen the word in Sanskrit. Number three version of it is GonNa Return. 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The Six Star General

Everything Everywhere Daily

10:58 min | 1 year ago

The Six Star General

"If you look at the list of officer ranks in the United States armed forces. There are ten ranks listed which are held today they go from second lieutenant all the way up to the rank of general, which is the four-star variant of the rank. There is a rank above general, a five star general, which hasn't been awarded in seventy years. Most people are familiar with these generals as having served in world, War Two However there is still one more rank above that of five star general in the United States military find out about this rank and the two men who have been awarded it on this episode of everything everywhere daily. This episode is sponsored. By G, adventures these are very troubled times even though things are starting to get better and more countries are opening up. People are still hesitant to travel, and that is totally understandable. That is why g adventures has announced its new travel with confidence plus collection. The travel with confidence plus collection are thirty seven tour in twenty seven countries that have increased. Increased Safety and sanitation protocols to protect you and other travelers, these tours will have smaller group sizes, private transportation and cheaper options to get your own room as well as more personal space, g adventures has also earned the world travel and Tourism Council safe travel stamp for their health and hygiene protocols and has implemented the adventure travel trade associations covid nineteen health and safety guidelines. The travel with confidence tours are available for booking today, and we'll be departing from October second twenty, twenty, two, the end of twenty, twenty, one for more information into book. Your tour, click on the link in the show notes. The upper ranks of the American military has changed over time and according to the military's needs for most of the history of the United States. Its military has been quite small, compared to European countries, and there wasn't a need for a large and complicated system for organizing the top commanders in the armed forces. For example, the highest rank ever obtained by George Washington during his lifetime was that of Lieutenant General, which today would be a three star general. He never attained a higher rank because there wasn't any. In fact, after Washington, there were no lieutenant generals in the American army until eighteen fifty-five when Winfield Scott. The longest serving soldier in American history was given a promotion to the rank. After the civil war, Congress authorized the newly created rank of general of the army and a word it to you. Lucy's s grant. and. Here's where I have to start splitting hairs and being nitpicky. There is a difference between rank and insignia. Today we can say the rank of general by the number of stars they have, but stars are just the insignia of the rank. The reason I bring it up. Is that grant was the first person in US history to hold the rank of general of the army, and there was no established insignia for it grant used four silver stars to denote his rank. After grant there were three other men that held the rank of general of the army in the nineteenth century. William tecumseh Sherman was appointed to the rank after grant, and he changed the insignia to two silver stars with an American Eagle between them. The final holder was Philip Sheridan. Who held the rank briefly before his death? After the death of Sheridan, in eighteen, eighty eight, there were no more generals higher than the rank of Major General Aka a two star general. At the start of World War One. The United States created general ranks above two stars and the system they created is pretty much the one we have today. So let me give a quick overview as to how general officers in the US military our bank today. A Brigadier General a star general. A major general is a two star general. Lieutenant General is a three star general. And, a general is a four star general. The rank is called just plain old general. There's nothing else to it. These are currently the only four ranks of used in the states, military today and the only four, which were used in World War One. Tasker h bliss and John J.. pershing were both appointed to the four star rank of general during World War One. Cure have to make note that the World War One rank of general headed insignia of four stars, which was the same as the insignia used by general grant after the civil war, but his rank wasn't that of general but General of the army. This is the distinction that soon going to become important, just because their insignia had the same number of stars does not mean that they held the same rank. This four level system for general officers held until World War Two one. We suddenly had a problem. As the United States began working with other allied nations. There had to be a strict hierarchy in the alliance. The United States providing most of the troops equipment money lead the alliance, however allies like Britain, head rank and their military, above that a four star general the rank of Field Marshal. This put the Americans in an awkward position of having commanders with. Official rank then the people underneath them. The solution to this was to create a new rank for the very top level commanders, which was on a par with the rank of field marshal. Their solution was to bring back the nineteenth century rank held by Grant Sherman and Sheridan General of the army. The biggest differences at this time the insignia of the rank would be five stars instead of four. Again more hair-splitting, the rank of general of the army, remained the same albeit unfulfilled since one, thousand, nine, hundred eight. What happened is that another rank that of Plano general was inserted between Lieutenant General in general of the army and the new rank that of. was given the insignia of four stars. The military created an equivalent five star rank for the navy creating the rank of fleet admiral. During World War Two, there were four men raised to the rank of general of the army. They were George, Marshall Douglas, mccarthur Dwight Eisenhower and Henry Hap Arnold. There were also four admirals raised to the rank of fleet admiral. All eight. Generals were advanced in rank one day apart from each other between December fifteenth and December twenty first, nineteen forty four. They were given their promotions one day apart, so there was a clear order of seniority between them. The only other person who has given the five star rank of general of the army was Omar Bradley in one thousand nine hundred fifty. Bradley's promotion to the rank was a political move because he was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff during the Korean War and he would be an awkward position of having had a higher ranking Douglas mccarthur underneath him, since then no one has been advanced to the rank. So, why didn't the United States just creat the rank of field marshal to put it on the same level as other countries? The story which is told is that when the idea of creating a five star rank was floated Field Marshall was the original name, but then George Marshall would have been called Field Marshall Marshall, and that didn't sound dignified, so they just went with General of the army. Henry Arnold. It should be noted carried his five star rank with him after the war when the air force was created, and he became the first and only five star rank of general of the Air Force. You only real attempt since World War Two to revive the rank occurred in the nineteen ninety s when Senator Robert. Cast of Wisconsin lobbied to have four star generals, Norman, Schwarzkopf and Colin Powell promoted during the Gulf War the movement stalled and the promotions were never given. Likewise, there was an to automatically have the chairman of the joint. Chiefs of Staff elevated to a five star rank, but that too went nowhere. Now the title of this episode is the six star general, and you're probably wondering when the six star is going to come into play. Well here is where it gets interesting. In nineteen nineteen. Created a new rank called general of the armies of the United States. Note that this is plural as opposed to the five star rank of general of the army. This rank was given to then a four star General John. pershing he created his own insignia general grant in the nineteenth century, and he selected four gold stars to distinguish it from the four star rank of general, which had four silver stars when the new five star ranks were announced in one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, four, the secretary of war Henry. Stimson was asked. If these new ranks were the same or different than the rank, which was given to general pershing, he said, and I quote it appears the intent of the army was to make the general of the army's senior in grade to the general of the Army I have advised Congress that the war department concurs in such proposed action. As pershing was still alive when the five star appointments were made, it wasn't a totally trivial issue. That means the United States does have a rank on the books, although almost never discussed above that of the five star general of the army. This isn't unprecedented. In the world, there are some countries which do have a rank above field marshall. The rank is usually called general or grand. Marshal the rank is mostly given by dictators to themselves or as an honor to some great general. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six congress decided to posthumously promote George Washington to the rank of general of the armies of the United States, and declared by statute that no one else could ever be ranked higher than Washington. The only other attempt to elevate someone living the rank was Douglas, McArthur in preparation for the invasion of Japan MacArthur was going to be given Supreme Command, as there would be several five star, generals and admirals involved the idea was floated of promoting MacArthur to the rank of general of the armies and explicitly making it a six star rank with a six star insignia. The idea was dropped a few weeks. After Japan's surrender in his service record notes. The promotion didn't occur due to the lack of necessity for such a rank. However there was a movement to promote macarthur to the six star rank for the next twenty years up to including and after his death. However nothing became of it. After he died. There was a movement for posthumous promotion. The Institute of Heraldry even mocked up a six star insignia in the end, the problems of advancing macarthur above his World War Two contemporaries, some of whom are still alive, were too complex and political, so the proposal was dropped. So yes, there is an equivalent of a six star general rank on the books and the US military, but it has only been given to two people in History John, J., pershing and George Washington generals of the armies of the United States of America. Executive producer of everything everywhere daily is James Makhala special. Thanks to everyone who supports the show over on patron. Please remember to leave a review over on apple podcasts. 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America, This Is Your Wake-Up Call!

Greg Laurie Podcast

37:44 min | 1 year ago

America, This Is Your Wake-Up Call!

"Hey, everybody, Greg, Laurie here you're listening to the Greg Laurie podcast, and my objective is to deliver hopefully compelling practical insights and faith, culture and current events from a biblical perspective to find out more about our ministry. Just go to our website harvest dot org, so thanks for joining me for this podcast. Here in case you've just joined us. You're watching harvest at home and I'm Greg Laurie and I've a special message for you with the title America. This is your wake-up call. Why don't we pray together further? Ask you to speak to us now through your word because America, our nation that we love needs, spiritual awakening and Lord Your Church which includes those of us who have put our faith in you. We need a spiritual revival, so we're praying that you'll speak to us as we open your. Your word and we asked us now in Jesus name. Amen a hope. You have a Bible and if you do turn to Matthew Chapter Five, so heard a story about a woman that was walking down a beach, and she sees something embedded in the sand. She bends down to see what it is, and it looked like a lamb, so she reached down, picked it up brushes, standoff, and sure enough lamp, and a genie up here's and he says Oh master I will grant you one wish. Wish she was funded one wish with three wishes. He said Oh, we've had to cut back covert nineteen. That's affected everything. You can have one S. she thought about it for a moment, and she pulls out a map of the middle, east he says. Jeannine always been conflict in the Middle East and I liked him to have some kind of a peace agreement that they could live by so Jeannie. That's my one wish I want peace in the Middle East. He said. Are you crazy? There's no. No way at ever going to happen. You've got to come up with something else, so she says well. You know what Cheney I've always wanted to find one good man one that is considered in kind and fun, and loves to Cook and help with the house cleaning one that will smother me with affection and attention anyone just sit around on the couch watching sports all day long. Yeah, that's what I want. Genie I want one good man. The genie says let me see that map again. You know sometimes things seem impossible right, but the Bible says with God, all things are possible. This is the fourth of July weekend. We're celebrating our birth as a nation, but in some ways. Doesn't it seem like America as unraveling? Before our very eyes I mean this is a nation that was built on the word. Of God, we call it Judeo. Christian values, and we really did build this nation on those principles. There was a time her nation. When we had the ten commandments on the wall of every classroom, we just talked. Talked about the ten commandments recently think about that. There were everywhere and even today. If you go to Washington DC The ten commandments are there in the US Supreme Court building. Imagine if we would follow those ten commandments, it's so important it could chains our nation, but no, we got those ten commandments of the classroom walls, and we've disregarded them, and we're now seeing the effects of the Bible says when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind, but think of the foundation of this unique nation that we have the privilege. Privilege of living in our first. President George Washington made this statement, and I quote to the character a Patriot it should be our highest glory as even more distinguished character of Christian and quo James Madison. The fourth president made this statement quote curse. It'd be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Jesus Christ I like that, but some will say Oh, no, America was not built on a biblical foundation or Judeo Christian principles. What are you talking about? Do you think you could protests like people are protesting in? In America right now in other countries like China or Cuba, they would be quickly stopped if not imprisoned and executed now very liberty that we have to express our feelings and declare our rights was given to us because we built this on the foundation of a belief in God. So here's what it comes down to. This foundation has eroded. It was John Adams our second president who made this team? And then I quote the United States. Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government. Government of any other and quote. This is why the idea of nation building is not work as we've tried to do it. In other parts of the world see our nation was born out of the soil of revival. We have another George on our history now George Washington George Whitfield, he was an evangelist from England, and he came over to the colonies, and preach the Gospel and thousands and thousands of people believed, and it was in the wake of this revival that our nation was formed, so we're a nation built out of. Of Revival and I think we're gonNA continuous nation where a nation the needs to return to revival or a spiritual awakening or to simplify it. We need to return to God as I said already in that video. I showed right before I started this message. I said we have a choice as a nation two choices, really judgment or revival listen judgment is coming to every nation of the world including America, but we're praying that judgment will be postponed by God a little bit longer and that we might see at least one. One more spiritual awakening, Peter Marshall, the former chaplain to the US Senate wants made this statement and I quote the choice before us. His plane Christ or chaos conviction, our compromise, discipline or disintegration, so do we have any hope in America? Is there anything we can do? As followers of Jesus to help our nation, turn the right direction I think the answer is a resounding, yes, and it's found in the words of Jesus. Right here in Matthew, chapter, five, starting in verse thirteen. He says you are the salt of the earth. Earth but if the salt loses, it's flavor. How shall be season? It's good for nothing, but to be thrown down and trampled underfoot by man. You Are the light of the world. A city that is on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do you light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a limb stand, and it gives light to all who are in the house, so let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and give glory to your father, which is in heaven. Salt and light. Why did Jesus use these two word pictures? Because the world is a very dark place, and the world is an evil place, and so Jesus uses to very intentional illustrations to explain to us what we need to do. As his followers a to start the biblical world view of this culture is darkened. It is getting darker. It's our nature as people. We always go in the wrong direction. We always default toward sinful things never toward godly things General Omar Bradley wants made this incredible statement. We have grasped the mystery of the am, but we have forgotten the sermon on the mount. The world is achieved brilliants without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical. Ethical infants and quo, and that is so very true so as we look at American. We see there. We're going the wrong direction. We say well that's it. There's nothing we can do i. think there are things that we can do. Here's what we should do. We should not try to escape the culture altogether or engage in isolation. That's virtually impossible, but to make the point. Carter's not called us to isolate. He's called us to infiltrate. He's called us to permeate and to century our culture with the truth of the Gospel. He's called us to evade. He's called is to invade to go into all the world, and proclaimed the good news of Jesus Christ now to tricky balance. Because the Bible says don't love the world neither the things that are in the world. And we're also told in Romans chapter twelve. Don't be conformed to this world, but yet at the same time. and John Seventeen I'm not gonNA. Take them out of the world I'm going to keep them safe from the evil one, and then he says the father I'm sending them into the world. Listen the only way to change. The world is to go into the world with the Gospel so we don't want this culture to change us, but yes, we do want to change the culture, so let's not try. Try to withdraw. Let's try to be a good influence. So this is a battle that we're engaged in. And we're either winning or losing in this battle, we either advancing or retreating, because as believers, we must realize that we are behind enemy lines. I was watching the world word film recently, and there's a scene where the commanding officer says that the paratroopers of easy company that we're behind enemy lines. A Panzer Division is about to cut you off and you guys are going to be around it and the lieutenant in charge of easy company says where paratroopers lieutenant were supposed to be surrounded. How true see we've been dropped behind enemy lines? Yeah, we're surrounded by people that don't share our views. We are in hostile territory, and not everybody's going to respond in the affirmative to the message that we give. Some respond in a positive way, and some will not second Corinthians to fourteen says. Wherever we go, God uses us to tell others about him and to spread the good news like a sweet perfume. Our lives Paul writes are like a fragrance presented by Christ to God, and this fragrance is perceived differently by those who are being saved, and by those who are perishing, so we're a fragrance to summon well a stench to others. You know some people wear too much Cologne. Just a little tip for you people that love Cologne or perfume. Less is more just two little. You know I've seen. People like have a pool of it and the palm of their and. Throw it on, and then everyone that come into contact with smells like that Cologne. So you don't want to be that person, but it can be a fragrance when you're a follower of Jesus something that's wonderful. A believer enters a room. A believer enters the conversation a believer in the culture. They can change the temperature of a room. They can change so many things. Sometimes it's their presence, and then, of course, what they say makes a huge difference as well. Well, but what is a fragrance to some is a stench to others. Take garlic as an example. Garlic is great on food. Carlin smells good when it's cooking, but it doesn't smell so great when it's on someone's breath afterwards does it so living godly will read some people and other people will be offended by it, but look. My job is to live in share. The Gospel and I must live it because nothing is a worse witness than a hypocritical Christian. Encourage believers to share their faith. If you're a Christian I encourage you to engage people in avenge realistic conversations. You know people are scared right now. There's a lot of uncertainty in the air, a lot of uncertainty in their lives as you knows. Since the corona virus hit us, and now we have a rerun of it again, opioid use. Alcohol sales are suicide rates are. Calls to suicide help lines are so people are looking for truth. This is a moment for us to step into that conversation and talk about the hope. We have found in Christ, but let me say something that might surprise you for some people out there. I would say please don't talk about Jesus, you said. Greg just contradicted yourself now. Here's what I'm saying if you're seeking to live A. A godly life, not a perfect life. We'll all fall short. We'll all mess up, but you're seeking to live a godly life by all means look for opportunities to talk about Jesus, but if you're living the hypocritical light, if you are contradicting what the Bible says by the way that you live pleased to a solid fever and don't talk about Jesus. In fact, you might just focus on. Repenting of your sin in getting right with God before you talk to others, but I think our culture today is looking for authenticity, a W. Toes, a preacher from days gone by made this statement, and I quote the world is waiting to hear an authentic voice, a voice from God not an echo from what others are doing insane, but an authentic voice and quote and I think that is so very true, so we want to be salt. Salt effectively earns us the right to be light, let. Let me, explain you. Sea Salt back in its day was something of great value, and in fact Roman soldiers would sometimes be paid in salt. Hence the term he's not worth his salt salt was valuable salt with something that stop the spread of running in meet. They would cut the meet up in strips, and and they would embed salt in it, so it could be preserved. This was before refrigeration and the same way. That's a we should be doing this followers of Jesus Christ Christians that stopped. Stopped the spread of evil in our culture today it's Christians that stand up for the rights of the unborn. It's Christians that speak out against racism and try to bring about reconciliation. It's Christians that are out there doing good work helping people who are in need if they believe as we believe or not, that's what it means to be salt out in our culture today and another thing that salt does it stimulate I remember back. When we used to go to movies well, you would get some. Some. Popcorn and all of those things you get at the concession. Stand were so expensive. It's like you can get a little popcorn I'm size and then one. The size of a garbage can right, and they fill it up and give free refills. Okay, thanks, you walk up with your giant thing of popcorn, but they over-salted, and you're thirsty, and you come and say excuse me. Can I get a glass of water I'm sorry we're not allowed to give these comps out, but here's a little. Little thimble you can get some water over there from the hose, or you can buy some bottled water for forty dollars. That's more than you whatever drink in a single lifetime. Then that's his kind of the way it works, but salt stimulates thirst right, and if you're really living for Jesus as you want to, and being the salt of the earth, you will stimulate in others a desire to know God think of it as going out with someone to eat. Maybe someone invited you to dinner and. And you'd already, and he said well go along. Just sit with you as you eat all of a cup of coffee. And so they ordered their burger and fries, and and their malt, and you're just sitting their drinking your coffee and you say hey, man could I have one of those fries. Take all you want and we that FRY. Why is stolen food so much better than food that you order yourself in the sometimes on my wife is cooking. She cut things up a little portions of. Of here's the carrots here's tomatoes and how go over and take a little kid? Don't take those those are the portions. You'll mess up the poor sense, but there's something very exciting about stolen food anyway going back to the FRY, so you eat the frame for some unknown reason, that's the greatest French fry you've ever had in your life, and then you order your own, and they're not usually as good as the FRY. You took from someone else. Here's my point when someone's enjoying a meal makes. Makes you hungry and in the same way when someone's walking with God and loves the Lord, it makes you want to know Jesus as well. This is what won me over to Christ. You know I'm sort of the exception to the rule of how vandalism works. 'cause we generally say, go out and share the Gospel with people and they'll believe. Maybe invite them to church or something like that. Nobody invited meet anything. Nobody talked to me about anything, but I was on my high school campus. and. I saw these Christians I transferred over there from another campus, and we didn't have a bunch of Christians on my other campus, and these followers of Jesus are everywhere. My friends warming greg the Jesus. FREAKS are everywhere here. Be careful, and I said yeah. The last thing that's ever GonNa Happen is Greg. Laurie would become Jesus free famous last words right, but here's what interested me about these people. People is they had this joy? They had this happiness. They had something I did not have something. I was trying to have through the use of drugs, and there was an emptiness in my life, and it was their walk with God that attracted me to them, so I ended up at one of their meetings, and I wasn't even invited, but I was sitting far enough away where I could hear. Hear what they're saying, but not so close that people with think I was one of them. That was the first time I heard the Gospel and when I heard what it meant to be a Christian. That was the day I gave my life to the Lord, but my point is simply this. The thing that reads me was Christians being salty and by salty. I mean it was Christians living as. As Christians ought to live, and it was a very attractive thing to me, but you know what's sad is when Christians are not salty. Look at Matthew five thirteen. She's says you're the salt of the earth, but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shelby season it's good for nothing, but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by man. Wow, heavy duty words from Christ good for nothing. Basically! Jesus is saying that salt isn't salty. What could is it is one friend some time ago and we went to a coffee place, and and I got my normal Cappuccino with an extra shot of espresso, and and he said he would like to have a DECAF low fat low. And I just looked at him and said why I mean what. Why don't you just order an empty? Cup pretend. You're drinking something I mean DECAF low fat. All the fun is gone right and what we have today are DECAF disciples. What we have today are Christians. That aren't salty like they ought to be or like when a coke goes flat. Who wants to drink it? We have. Carbonated Christians and Jesus is saying would good, is it if you're not being the salt at I have called you to be so we must be salt and our culture, and then we must also be light. Look at what he says in Matthew. Five fourteen. You're the light of the world. A city that has set on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the Lam stand and it gives light to all who are in the house. Now let's contrast to salt and light salt is hidden. Light is obvious. Let's go back to the movie theater for a moment. Have you ever been in theater in? Someone pulls out their phone and they check their messages or they're looking at social media. I mean you can be really far for them. Lights up so. Really makes a difference in a dark place, so salt is hidden and more subtle light is obvious. Salt works secretly light works openly. Salt works from within light from without salt more the indirect influence of the Gospel while light is, it's more direct communication. So what I'm saying is if I'm salting if I'm living as they ought to live as a follower of Jesus that effectively earns the right for me to let my light shine before others and one thing that light does is it exposes the darkness? Every lost something in the dark. Maybe it was in your car night. You lost a Burrito and he didn't know where it went, so you? You look the next morning and you found it. There was a little light help to locate it actually had become a life form and crawled up, and then one of your child seats of buckled itself in Berry, competent freedom, but no. It's sad when you laugh return jokes that I just find that amusing, but like helps you find something and then the same way when the light shines in our life. We see things we had not seen before. And John Three Hundred Nineteen Jesus says this is the condemnation. Light is coming to the world. And men loved darkness rather than light, why because their deeds were evil, everyone who is evil, hates the lights and does not come to the light less their deeds be exposed. So have you ever wondered why it is that you'll see someone you? Come with me I don't want to do that. Hey, why don't you come over to our house and Watch harvest at home? What's harvest at home? Well, it's a church serve. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa do that. Well, let me read to a verse on the by put that thing away I just want to read you. I don't even WanNa hear why, because you just shined a spotlight into a dark place and the reason people don't want to come to the light. The reason people don't want to have this conversation about Jesus is. They don't want to change their lifestyle, so the light does expose the darkness, but at the same time the light also shows the way out of darkness. You know when I travel, and I'm in a hotel room I will. Leave a light on usually in the bathroom case, I need to go there in the middle of the night. 'cause unfamiliar territory that you're navigating and you don't want to trip and fall, so the light helps you find your way through the darkness. If you're in a dark hallway, the exit signs are always lit up. Even a movie theater there lit up so you can find your way out and so the Lord will shed light, so we can find our way out of the darkness and find our way to him and so I ask you right now. Are you being salt and light in the world that God has called you into? The title of my message is America. This is your wake-up call and I think all the things that are happening in our culture. Right now are a wakeup call I would include the corona virus is would include what has happened in our economy I would include the social upheaval that we're seeing right now. All of these things are a wake up. Call and God is saying turned to me. Look to me America. This is your wake-up call. I was in last couple years ago. With a friend of Mine and So I decided to play a little prank on him. I noticed a little food trays in front of different rooms. You know from room service food that had been eating already signed to two or three of these trays, and put them in front of my friends during the knocked on the door, and he came out saw trays. That was my prank, so would he does. He takes an entire picture off the. The Wall and puts it in front of my door. It was so big I couldn't even get out of my door. I said Okay game on so I was leaving that night, and he was staying one more night so I called down to the front desk and I said Hi. And I did say I was in his room. This is Mr. his name is Richie. Fury I said Mr, Fiore and room. Room to four and I need to wakeup calls tomorrow morning. I need one at four o'clock, and I need one at five o'clock and so I. Cut my plane the next day. Forgot all about it. He calls me later on, he says. Do you know what happened? I said no, he said first of all. My phone rang at foreign. The morning I knew it was you doing their prank, so I didn't. Didn't answer the phone suddenly there's a pounding on my door and some grey exit comes in my room and is shaking me waking me up because he's afraid. I'll miss my wakeup call i. said something's just go perfectly, don't they listen? Are we getting shaken right now by God and the Lord is saying this is your wake-up call paying attention to what I'm saying you. How many more calamities do we need? Where we will just turn to the Lord and I might be talking to somebody who is having their personal wakeup call. Maybe you've had a close brush with death recently. Maybe you just met with your doctor and he gave me some bad news. Maybe your spouse came to you and said they're done with the marriage. Maybe one of your kids is rebelling or drugs that are having problems. Maybe there's some other conflict in your life. You've been terminated from your employment. Employment whatever it is that something that just gotten your attention woman. The rug is pulled out from under. You and you're laying on your back. Look Up. Look up and call on God America needs to do that and listen. You need to do that. We all need to do that. The Bible says calling the Lord while he may be found in the Lord. Is here right now? Ready to come into your life? I believe the Lord could turn our nation around. There is a precedent for this in the Bible. It's a story of the spiritual. That took place in the city of Knin of Niniveh was the capital of Assyria which was the superpower of its day. It was so big it took three days to circle Metropolitan Niniveh had to run a million people living there powerful gigantic city, powerful military flourishing economy, but God was about to Judson, but he sent a man to warn them in the men's name was Joan of course. Jona didn't want to go. And you know why Joan. It didn't want to go. Because he was a racist, he hated and invites see as Patriotic Israelite. He didn't WANNA. Go Preach the Gospel to the Ninna bites because they were the enemies of Israel, so he reasonable. If I don't preach to them, they won't be spared. God and God will judge him and that will be one less enemy. We have to deal with but God. God wanted him to overcome his prejudice and overcome his racist thinking and go to these people, and he actually got an a boat going the opposite direction. You know the story and the Lord Centigrade Storm, and he was thrown overboard. He was swallowed by a great fish, and the gut of that sea creature he came to his senses and caught right with God and was regurgitated on the shores of dinovite. Very Hopeful Message Jona reluctantly. He didn't even want to do it. Walk through the streets of event, simply said forty days, and then we'll be overthrown, but much to the shock of Jona the city repented even the king repented, and so the Lord spared them from the judgment that was coming upon them. So what are the F to do? He had to do with God called him to do so. Listen to this thought if God could bring a mighty revival in Niniveh with no better representative than Jona and no more. More Gospel than he preached. Surely he could do the same for America. Is there any hope for our nation? I think there is I think there's three practical steps we can take his followers of Jesus number one. We need to infiltrate, not isolate. We need to be both salt and light, because God has indeed trump this behind enemy lines, where not to Ebeid earlier, but in Dade living the Christian life and looking for opportunities to share our faith never to. We need to pray. We need to pray for our nation. Quoted this I many times, but it's still relevant. Second Chronicles seven fourteen. With the Lord gives his prescription for revival. contextual was given to the nation Israel, but in principle applies to any nation and I know people are watching me from other nations around the world right now and I've talked a lot about America, but what I'm saying now applies to Australia, and it applies to New Zealand, and an applies to China and then applies to Germany and then applies to whatever nation you're living in, and we've heard from people from all of those nations, but God says if my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, and the Lord Promises. I will hear from. And forgive their sin and heal their land. Yes we would like to see our land healed. We would like to see America returned to her. Christian roots are Judeo routes. We would like to see America. Turn to the Lord and that can happen, but we need to pray, but isn't it interesting that we're told there in scripture that we as his people need to pray and seek his face turn from our wicked ways. Are there any wicked ways you need to be turning from right now? Even as a follower of Jesus Christ, so number one. We need to go out into our culture, and we need to be solved in light number two. We need to pray and. And third, lastly, we need to preach. The Gospel America needs to hear. The Gospel. America needs to see the Gospel interesting. Going back to what Jesus said there matthew, five, when he says you're the light of the world, it could better be translated you and you alone are the light of the world. There's actually an emphasis on the fact that we are his representative. We are the one that others are looking to let me ask you a question. What if every Christian lived as you live? What if you were the sole representative of Jesus Christ on this earth? Would there be a gospel in your life for people to believe? Saltiness to stimulate and them a thirst enough light for them to find their way out of the darkness, and put their faith in Jesus Christ. I hope so because this is the message we need to give to others, and this is the message I want to close with because I keep saying Gospel Gospel Gospel, and you're thinking. What does that even mean? It means good news, right? So we live in a day of fake news everywhere you turn. It's fake news fake news news with the Spin News with an agenda. It's rare to just hear some pure good news while I have some very good news in a bad world and here it is God loves you. God loves you so much. He sent his son to die in across for you and say well. Why did he have to do that? Because you're a center, I'm a sinner as I, said earlier, everything goes down not up where sinful by nature the Bible says all of send them fallen short of the glory of God, and there is not one righteous, no not one we could compare it to a game of archery, because one of the definitions of sin is to miss the mark, so God is set a mark for all of humanity, and the mark is. Is, perfection, so you fire your ten Eros, and let's say that all ten of your Eros come close to the bullseye, but one goes off. Okay, so you miss the mark now let's say that I for my ten arrows on all of my heirs. Don't even hit the market all well. Maybe you hit it more than I. Hit it, but the point is we all miss it and the Bible says. If you offend in one point of the law, you're guilty of all of it. We've all said that's the bad news. The good news this send the solution. While we were yet centers. Christ died for our send the Bible says, and then he rose again from the dead and a full term from that sin I can be forgiven. That's the good news. I have for you right now. You can be forgiven of all of your San, and you know what we're God. Forgive Sin. He also forgets it now I don't mean that the Lord has elapsed and memory. But what I'm saying is the Lord Chooses to not hold your sin against you any longer. The Bible says God's speaking their fins and iniquities while I remember no more as Corrie ten boom once said God takes our sin throws into the sea of forgetfulness and posts. A sign that says no fishing allowed. Your sin can be behind you. Your sin can be a part of your past. Not a part of your President I'm not implying won't sent, but I'm saying the guilt and penalty of that sin can be removed, and then you can know you'll go to heaven when you die. Do you have that right now. What if you were die today or tonight? Where would you spend eternity? You might say well. No one can know the sage I actually you can't. I know when I die. I will go to heaven. How do I know that? Because God has made a promise, Jesus said for God so loved the world. He Gave His only begotten Son. who over believes in him, not perish, but have ever lasting life. If I believe in Jesus and I do I, can know that I have ever lousy might not hope to have it I know I haven't and you can have it as well. It's a gift and if you want to. To give you reach out and accept the gift and God is offering you the gift of eternal life right now if you will believe in him, would you like to receive it listen? This may be your wakeup. Call right here right now. The moment where you can pass from darkness to light the moment where you can change Your Eternal Address from Hell to Heaven Oh hell you believe in that Oh yes I do. Jesus spoke more about held, and all the other preachers and the Bible put together and the last thing God in heaven wants us for any man or woman made in his image to spend eternity separated from him in Hell Hell was it made for people? It was made for the devil and his angels. God wants you to go to heaven, but he's not gonNA. Force you. He's not gonNA say get up to heaven right now. Young Man. Now it's a gift. You have to accept the gift, and then you can receive the wonderful blessing that comes with it. So in a moment I'm GonNa pray, and I'm going to extend an invitation for any of you right now wherever you are. To put your faith in Jesus, some of you are sitting in a house. Some of you're sitting in a park or on a beach. Some of you were driving in a car. Some of you are in some other place. Some are watching on a phone others on a tablet others on a TV screen. Others are watching it a computer. Others are listening on the radio wherever you are I want you to know this Jesus Christ. It's right there with you ready to come into your life and forgive you of all of your sin. All you have to do is open that door and ask him to come in, and be your savior, and your Lord Jesus says behold a stand at the door, not and if you'll hear my voice and open the door, I will come in in a moment I'm GonNa pray. And I'M GONNA. Ask You if you want Jesus to come into your life if you want him to forgive you. If you WANNA? Go to heaven when you die I'm GONNA. Ask you to pray this for. Me You can even print out loud if you want a simple prayer so again as I pray. If you want Jesus and your life now pray this prayer with me. Pray these words if you would floor Jesus. I know that I am center. But. I know that you are the savior. Who died on the Cross for my sin? And rose again from the dead now. Jesus I choose to follow you? From this moment forward. Be My savior my Lord. Be, my garden friend. In. 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283: Taking Lessons From the Hardest Combat Imaginable, And Effectively Pass Them to Your People. Combat Lessons From WW2.

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283: Taking Lessons From the Hardest Combat Imaginable, And Effectively Pass Them to Your People. Combat Lessons From WW2.

"This jaakko podcast number two eighty three with echo charles and me jacka willink echo it evening jumping into combat lessons and we don't combat lessons before we've done volumes one two and three on this podcast. I'm skipping ahead. A little bit to volume seven. There's a section in here. That i kinda got kinda got into these. These combat lessons were written during world. War two with the explicit intention of disseminating lessons learned rapidly back to the troops to keep more guys alive and kill more enemy. And you might think. I started thinking i'm like why am i reviewing these. Why now. why am i reviewing number four. Why am i doing that. I'll tell you why 'cause. I've never heard these lessons before you think about that. I was in the military for twenty years. And i never heard these lessons before. There's something wrong with that. There's something wrong with that. These guys these are lessons written in blood in the hardest combat imaginable. And they're not getting passed on. So i wanna make sure i pass on these lessons and you know what obviously they're not just for combat not just for combat. You're going to see the translations. every situation that a human being in a leadership position can be in so combat lessons the the volumes are getting better as the first one was kind of like a little bit. i'm not gonna say it was haphazardly. Put together but now you got the full of cover picture. You know there. If you're looking at this on youtube you got the cover picture. Up their combat lessons comet lessons number seven rank and file and combat what. They do what they are doing and how they do it. The the intro to this thing to this book comes from all just read it. Our armies in europe have won their victory so this late in the war victory in europe already so now. We're just fighting in the pacific theater veterans of the campaigns of north africa. Africa and europe are now joining forces with the veterans of the pacific for the final assault against japan. Can you imagine having that on the horizon. You're you're you're thinking okay. We're going final assault on japan on the japanese empire. We're gonna kill all them because they fight to the death that's what's about to happen. They don't they don't know anything about the atomic bomb yet. That's not even an option. They've seen the japanese fight to the death on island after island and now they're going to go and assault. The japanese island itself the island of japan. Back to the book they are coming to grips with a fo- quite different from the german soldier. Different as an individual fighting man and different in the tactics employed even the most experienced soldier of the european battlefields will have much to learn humility humanity. You get done with normandy. D day the battle the bulge and you show up in the pacific theater. You got a lot to learn kid. We must now bring to bear against the japanese all the experience we have gained in every theater. The suggestions made in combat. Lessons are drawn from such expert experience since to be effective they must reach the soldier promptly. Publication is not delayed to ensure that they always represent the thoroughly digested views of the war. Department the great combat lesson learned from every operation is the importance of leadership our equipment our supply and above all our men are splendid aggressive and determined leadership is the priceless factor which inspires a command and upon which success. All success in battle depends is responsible for success or failure. Leadership is the most important thing on the battlefield by the way signed by general marshall. Five star general three. No four no five star general churchill called general marshall the organizer of victory the organizer of victory of world war. Let's think about that. That's a pretty good compliment coming from churchill This is a guy that was a platoon in a company. Commander in the philippine war ended up being a secretary state. Remember learning about the marshall plan. Now well when you were in high school at some point you learned about the marshall plan you don't remember it it was like the world war two is the was the recovery the rebuilding after world war two overseas in europe that the marshall plan named after this guy he got the nobel peace prize for that by the way so up a very capable man. So kicking it into the book here. Leadership first-section leadership too much stress cannot be placed upon the necessity for developing intelligent aggressive troop leaders in all echelons so says general omar bradley commander of the twelfth army group. I wanna i wanna. I wanna say that again. Too much stress cannot be placed. There's no way you can. You can stress the necessity for developing intelligent aggressive troop leaders and where in all echelons in all ash lonzo squad leaders however to use the battlefield as a school room for the training of leaders is to sacrifice needlessly the lives of our men the habit of command and the technique of troop leading must be learned thoroughly by all leaders prior to entry in combat. Not only must leaders learn their own jobs thoroughly but they must also be given ample opportunity to operate in command capacity of the next higher echelon in order to in order that qualified replacements will be available so if you're running a business i said there's some similarities if you're running a business and you're not investing in your leadership you're wrong and throwing them out to the wolves throwing him out to the client. Throw them out to a a building site without any training and preparation or without any mentorship. While they're out there is the wrong move. By the way that's way echelon front actually exists. That's why we exist to help that process take place. The junior leaders responsibility field leaders constantly emphasize the need for junior officers who will share the responsibilities of their superiors and take charge emergencies arising battle. Check this out. Here's a note you're young. You're you're new to the company you're inexperienced in some way or another way if you have the willingness to pay attention and then start taking responsibility in taking ownership of things you will go places now. Look you can't be you gotta be. You don't wanna go overboard with it but if you see your boss has got some things that maybe you could take over form. Take them over. Have a question. Go but extreme extreme ownership and this might be splitting hairs but in the spirit of understanding So let's say whatever you come to me And or whatever. I'm taking ownership of a mistake that happened. What if i do. I am like i'm not blaming you but i am defensive. Whatever i am all that. But i actually do at the end of the lecture or whatever I do wanna i do at the end of. I do think that the mistake was my fault hundred percent and i'm gonna take it upon myself to fix the mistake but i handled the initial lecture wrong. Is that still technically extreme ownership. Why my lecturing. You know like like you know. I messed up the project. Okay failed the project. And then i come to you and say hey echo. It looks like we're not going to get this project on on time. Is that right. Yeah yeah like or or let's say we up in it. Okay oh echo. I see that we failed to to get this project on. Did you get the support that you need. Is there anything that i should have done. A better job of tomato. You had what you needed to get this thing done. Because this is a big letdown for the client and this isn't the kind of reputation we're looking to have. Where did i let you down. Okay so let's take it on shit right extreme and you're like okay. So what if instead of that. Good lecture you were like. Hey you messed up and you you know like listening going. You fail this project. That's pathetic i'm thinking about maybe demoting you and then let's say okay after you lecture me you think in your head you know what this is my fault. This actually is fault. I'm gonna do everything. I can to to correct this. You do. But then. I realized i'm wrong. Yes and then. I say there are some things i could've. You don't say that part okay. You don't say nothing to me. You just kinda at basically the learn the lesson you forget you feel the first part but this is fail the first one but you succeed in the second one okay but but then i opt not to take ownership for some reason with your verbal this is. What's interesting about these questions that you're trying to formulate is how quickly they dissipate. When the person legitimately takes ownership right. Like i said okay so i say to you. Hey where not support you always on. You didn't even have an argument. You have a question anymore. It was going to say things wrong to you. Yes and then and then you want me to like switch half way. I'm just a crazy person. So that's where we're at right now. We're just fine okay. So what's the hypothetical point that we're trying to get the well. I guess if. I learned anything from you right now. And in the past it is that if you're gonna take ownership extremely if you're going to demonstrate that practice that there's two parts of it and that's sort of it there's two parts of it you the way you come at the person or whatever you let them know that it's your fault kind of in the second part. Is you frill. It is your fault your mind it is. It is your responsibility to take to fix those problems. Not the kind of question is when i come at you and say you failed this project you go. We'll use a big projects. You get defensive at first right yes. 'cause you take it the wrong way. Sure and you don't remember to take ownership for another two minutes the whole thing the whole time you forget to take ownership targets. Know what you do you go. You know what what boss. I'm getting offensive because my eagles getting in the way and this is actually my fault and all these excuses that are making right now. Make no sense whatsoever. Here's why here's the mistakes i made. Here's the thing. I'm going to do to fix it. I will not let this happen again. Soft yeah so without that second recovery part. I'm talking about the interaction between the two people that alone that subsequent actions that you're gonna take this all the problem. I'm not talking about that because you're going to do that anyway. But that second verbal part interaction part without that that technically does not fit does not fulfil the formula of extreme ownership. What do you mean without that. Second second part. The part where you were. Were you explain to the person that you have the interaction with like all. That was my fault. My eagles getting away way. Not straight up. You left the meeting like straight up like a we got scold it okla whenever then and then you say this wasn't my fault you leave. You have to take ownership of that but the point of extreme like waited is my phone you go back in there. And say hey. This doesn't say interaction is part of the yes. Yes yes it is you have to. I mean otherwise. You're just making excuses in blaming other people. And i don't trust you by the way i'm like. Oh echoes screwed is opening isn't even realized that he screwed up. He thinks it's everyone else's fault. He doesn't take ownership calm. Never given him another project again whereas you come back music you know what this. This is completely my fault and in my let my getting away and i got mad. My temper am i ego. I'm i will not let that happen again. Boom problem solved. i understand. Check all right moving on comments. Major general john p lucas commander of six core prior to battle. We must develop the feeling of responsibility. In junior officers and noncommissioned officers develop the feeling of responsibility. We want to give them ownership. I suggest doing this during field exercises by suddenly and unexpectedly declaring the commander a casualty and placing the second in command in charge. Something we did all the time in seal training. Oh got a good platoon. Commander is doing a great job cool. You're down oh tunechi students super job. Cool you're down. The commanding officer of the hundred nineteenth infantry in germany makes this statement in battle. Nothing is more important than having leaders who will share their commanders responsibility for the accomplishment of the mission. Again if you're a junior person out there if you're joining an organization if you're a mid level manager if you can be a person that starts to take ownership of things and start to take pressure and jobs and tasks and responsibilities off your bosses plate. They are going to love you. Nothing more important. He says nothing more important than having leaders that will take their share of other commanders responsibility. One of the most difficult task for the junior leader is getting the men to move forward under fire issuing. The orders is easy but seeing that the orders carried out may call for every ounce of energy and initiative the officer or nco possesses issuing the orders as easy as easy bark. patent said. Ten percent of the job is issuing orders. Ninety percent is getting them done enough responsible leadership in actions. The next section caps cap insider was at his command post. Cpi when a soldier came into report that to wire men had been wounded by enemy sniper about five hundred yards away. He immediately took four men and set out to assist the wounded men before arriving at their goal the captain hen and his men observed a group of wire pinned down in an open field by enemy machine. Gunfire captain souter spotted the enemy machine gun and ordered his men to covered positions but himself took an exposed position from which he could fire upon the machine gun he opened fire suddenly and killed six of enemy crew making it possible for the wounded men to be evacuated in safety and for the wire meant. Continue their work by that time. Captain souter had observed more serious trouble in the vicinity and enemy. Armored car was parked beside some distance away. The captain knew that part of another advancing regiment was in the sector covered by the enemy vehicle. He immediately sent back for a fifty caliber machine gun at the command post and for two tanks to cover the oncoming regiment during its approach while waiting for these reinforcements he collected a few of his men and resumed fire on the enemy with the result. That many were forced to flee and eighteen. Enemy were wounded while this was going on. Captain souter was informed that all officers of one company with the approaching regiment had become casualties. He immediately took charge and we organized the company so at the when the other officers came up the unit was well dispersed and under control. He then gave first aid to the wounded officer officers and saw that they were evacuated to a safer location for further care. The tanks arrived in time to assist the other regiments assault on the enemy positions and the objective was successfully taken had not been captain. Salaries timely and decisive actions casualties among our men would have been extremely heavy and the attainment of the objective questionable first contribution in this emergency. Captain souter was awarded the silver star initiative taking charge. I love this part where he got wounded at coming forward in their wounded officers. So you disperse your company. Prepare to receive those guys and you'll be able to put them to work immediately. Responsible leader leadership as the soldier sees it another fine example of responsible and inspiring leadership is given in the following account of the part. Played by lieutenant william everett one hundred first infantry thirty six division in action in italy this account was written by three of the enlisted men who served under him during that action. Our company led the attack on a hill and took the enemy counter-attacked laying down heavy artillery and machine gun fire that knocked out a large number of our men and every officer except lieutenant everett dam. Lieutenant everett took over the difficult and dangerous job of keeping the company under control without any communications. Whatever he'd become so short of men that even the runners had to stay on the line fighting hard to help hold the ground. We had one at the time. Lieutenant ever took took charge. The enemy were coming up. Three sides of the hill and our men were in trouble. The lieutenant ordered to open fire with everything we had while he took an exposed position on the side of the hill and called fire orders to our mortar. The mortar finally stopped the advancing enemy. He then located an enemy mortar. That had been giving us trouble. All day adjusted our mortar on it. Knocking it out with a direct hit on the third round. He personally eliminated two enemy snipers who had wounded several of our men. It was largely through his daring and determination that we were able to beat off the strong enemy counterattacks for three days and four nights. He risked his life by going from one platoon to another under enemy machine. Gunfire keeping the men under control and helping them meet each problem. As it came at times he himself helped carry the wounded to save replaces. The lieutenant was sick during all this fighting yet. He never thought of his own discomfort but stuck by the men who might have lost out if it had not been for. His leadership. readership is the most important thing on the battlefield. Next section discipline the first function of leadership. You know i'm happy and smiling. When i see that in the frequent discussions of battlefield leadership we are often prone to overlook the first function of leadership the development of unit and individual discipline. The battle is the payoff. said lieutenant. Colonel ralph ingersoll and it is exactly that the payoff on the leadership which welded individuals into a smooth functioning team. Discipline applies to all captain. Jack gerry company. Commander of the eleventh. Infantry rights discipline is sometimes the determining factor between winning and losing. I once listened to a wounded officer back from fighting in africa. Who forget all the formalities. in the field forget the officer. nco distinctions in the field. Keep all the eight balls. They will fight like hell. And i tried to. I looked up. This term. Eight balls. And i i assume it means like Like a rebel type guy. The reason i assume that is because the next sentence says so that that was the guy quoting someone from africa and he says i do not believe he had seen very much action or he would not have made such a statement. I had a few quote eight balls who did fight like hell. But i have also had a lot of men who never caused me trouble. Who were quiet confident. Well-disciplined and these men fought much better. So you get that In case of war break glass thing where the skies little rough around the edges right. Yeah it seemed like when he was like. I also guys quite calm disciplined. Whatever it just seemed like this eight ball phenomenon was the opposite. They're like the troublemakers. Little bit wild. Look gotta have those guys need those guys and they they do have a day can be awesome for sure. Because you got to have a little bit of that i mean. Let's face it if you're joining the military if you're joining the military to going to combat arms or your joining the military and special operations you're going in that you wanna do something. That's you basically want to do. Things that are not legal in the world. You're going to kill people you're going to blow things up. You're going to plant bombs. That's what you're going. You can't really do that anywhere. That's that's you know you're a kid and you're like what do i wanna do when i grow up doctor lawyer banker blow things up and kill people shoot. That sounds like a good one right. Let's not normal and it's fully had a conversation with a guy the other day and he was telling me that Use amna conversation with a guy that was a ceiling or some. That made me nervous because when this guy was a young seal he said you know what i was asking you you. You think you're ready to kill people. You're you're going to deploy this was kind of as iraq was going on and this was like a younger seal that was going to be heading to iraq and the young. He'll was like. Oh yeah. i'm ready. I wanna kill people guy not just seemed a little bit. Seems like it shouldn't be like that. And i was like. It's like that bro. I go you. Baskin a frontline infantry grunt. Whatever it well i can't i can't speak for all them. You talk to most vast majority of seals and you say hey if the enemy presents themselves an opportunity the enemy. If there's an opportunity for you to kill the enemy will you be happy. The right word will you. Will you hesitate. In the moment of truth they'll be like one negative. Nobody stoked so that's the reality. So there's little eight ball you know. let's face it. He's down for the cost. Yeah now that's that's the thing is the the very good soldier that you want. Has that capability but has the discipline to keep it under control. The whole the little clip you made of jordan peterson. I talked about the the the good man is a dangerous man who has their their their danger and their aggression under control under through disciplinary under control. That's what we're looking for so we're looking for. Yeah actually that's what we're looking for. Next section discipline is based upon competence. Only a few hours later after he had lost both legs in combat tenant ticknor who had acted as a platoon leader in fifth division. Twelfth army group made this comment to a military observer. Our officers have to be real leaders. Disciplined combat depends largely upon the men's knowing that the officer in charge of them knows his business and is not reluctant reluctant to take necessary risks. A battalion commander of the sixth armored division in france makes similar combat comment unless the officer or nco knows his job completely. The men have no faith in him unless the men have faith in their leaders their battle discipline will be poor so when they're talking about discipline there argue. Is the team going to do what they need to do. When they get when they get the orders to do it and if they have faith in the leader they'll do it and if they don't guess what which is interesting because you think well you know it's the military the military and if they get order new something oh that's what they're talking about here that's what they're talking about doesn't work like that doesn't work like that anywhere just 'cause barkan order at you and i have rank over. You doesn't mean you're going to do it especially if it's going to get you killed. There's a comment here. And these books they just the sort of the authority chimes in the author. Whoever the author is the authors and they just comment and it says comment a leader who is not gained the respect respect and confidence of his men during training has two strikes again when he hit against him when he enters combat the element of doubt in the minds of his men may be the difference between success and failure of mission gaining respect and confidence of your men. How do you do that do that by barking out. No do that by yelling at him. No by listening you do that by treating them with. Respect here is a definition of discipline says colonel e. l. munson signal corps. True discipline is voluntary. It is based on knowledge region. A sense of duty and idealism a good leader develops in his men a cheerful and willing obedience. That wants to respond. That wants to carry out his orders. This kind of discipline will in the end bring combat results as no other kind possibly can. We could probably stop right here because everyone thinks when the military talks about discipline. They're talking about the. If you can beat your people into submission then you're going to be good to go. No that's not the kind of discipline we're talking about sheer full willing obedience. That's a totally different willing. Obedience people want to carry out the orders. You know totally different. You don't really think of discipline associated with cheerful. Yeah you the context that they're using his military discipline is like hey do the. Does the team respond an execute. What they're told to do with discipline right so in the context of that we there's multiple ways to achieve that one of them is by beating people that you're going to do this and you beat them and they're afraid and they're doing it out of fear the other way they're doing it because they understand because they're part the result is the result is similar. But what this guy is saying. Is that the one that will bring combat results. Like no other kind. Is the kind where it's a positive discipline when they're saying it's a self imposed discipline. We're doing this because we want to. Not because someone's barking at us this little section here. It's a replacement instruction the wrong in in in world war. Two you guys get wounded guys getting killed and there was replacements coming in and so this happens in inside all organizations as organizations grow. You've got to bring a new people and as new people come in what happens to replacement orientation right. This is like new hires hires. Here's some things that they did skull. The wrong kind. A lieutenant comments on his ominous introduction to frontline existence on my way to the front as an officer replacement several individuals who had come back from the front line invariably they recounted to me their hair raising experiences their outfits had been wiped out or pinned down for days. Officers didn't have a dog chance of survival etc. One platoon sergeant win statistical on me. He said his platoon lost sixteen officers in one two week period. I expected constantly. That i would be blown to bits within fifteen minutes. After my arrival to the front statistical on going on yeah Later experience has shown me that enlisted men who come in as replacements are subjected to similar morale breaking tales. I've tried to get my old men to give the new replacement of break by being careful not to exaggerate their battle experiences or in any way distort. The picture of frontline existence give the new men a commonsense introduction to the combat zone and there will be fewer men going on sick call before and attack non coms in privates of company k eleventh infantry draw attention to the same problem or replacements come to us filled with tennis and dread caused by stories they have heard in the rear special instructors from the front should be used at replacement centers to talk to the new men to talk the new men out of this unnecessary panic. Of course the sound remedies to have the replacements occupied defensive position for a time but even then the kind of treatment they are given upon arrival at the front makes a big difference in the amount of good they will do to their new outfit. So how will we treating people that show up at your company and you can have such a huge influence if you do a good job bringing someone on board in a squared away manner. Don't screw it up comment company. Commanders and platoon leaders should meet oriented and indoctrinate all replacements that they gain an authentic picture of current battle conditions. This should be done even though battling indoctrinate has been started in replacement centers knowing what to expect even with even when the expected is bad is better than not knowing and and consequently imagining the worst. That's what's going to happen. We're gonna freak out and part of this is i think unintentional when people tell stories right. If you're gonna tell me let's say you were a giudici tournament and you wanted to tell me about something that happened. That happened to you. Maybe you got caught in a guillotine and look you're carnegie's it was bad right and you got out of it but it was a crazy when you when you wanna tell me that you want to make me feel how you felt and one of the ways you can kinda get. Closer is by making a little exaggeration. Bro i started seeing are stored wall started coming in and it might not necessarily. I understand what you're doing. I understand why you're doing it. But you weren't really going to get choked out. You're in a good guillotine but it wasn't good enough because obviously you got out so people can exaggerate for the purpose of of of giving the feelings. They had you know this mortar. Like i've been mortared before. Mortar hits mortar hits. I don't know. I don't know what the closest morton me ever was. But maybe let's call it twenty yards or something like that. So that's close bro. That rocks your world. You're like damn. If i'm just telling you this mortared i want you to waco so i might be right on top of me yards away rough. Yeah you're right and if you don't take a lot of times we'll take that personal you know like don't don't lie. Don't lie to me exaggerate like that. You know like be accurate kind of thing. But you can't when you really think about it it makes sense because if you're like unless there's some if you got like a thousand times you know when it's twenty yards you know. Oh you don't have to exaggerate to me. Because i know but you know i can't. Yeah i was talking to someone else. Albro even mortified hell. Yeah oh yeah. I was over here. Oh yeah man. This one landed close. It was twenty yards away. You'd be like damn. I don't need to explain it to you if you don't know yeah exactly and i start making you know i start making a little bit. Basically you want them to understand how you might exactly. But because and they don't they don't have the capability to understand what you felt because they weren't there you know something you can imagine like. Oh yeah if i were there. I'd do this like you have a misrepresentation of how it would actually feel in the situation. That's natural exactly right but when you're in the situation yeah you can tell me. I've never been mortared before. I know surprising. But i haven't if you were like yeah. We got mortared and it was crazy. Twenty yards away. It'd be like i know how i know. That's not that close. Yeah it's like all right. Whatever that's like half of the forty yard dash far scary at all. But i give you explain that in that situation. You think you're gonna die whatever you know But yeah so. That's a natural thing if you're not in the situation you can't feel you never can so let's talk a little on top of us pro. Basically get the standard of understanding up to where it needs to be for me to convey the story. You know that's gonna watch out for so careful with that. Then he goes into the right kind of orientational poor orientation replacements may seriously affect the fighting ability and survival chances of men themselves and may also endanger the unit. With whom they. I serve for these reasons leaders of platoons squads and companies should find out exactly what orientation and training have been given the men and to provide essential orientation on the spot in so far as practicable before sending them into combat if divisional training plan similar to that described below is in operation. The problem of inducting new members new men into smaller units is much simplified and lower unit. Orientation can be modified accordingly. Then there's an effective An effective training system described our division has received thousands of replacement since it first since its first combat experience in normandy more than ninety percent of these replacements have been infantry many of the replacements came into the division lacking confidence in their ability and paralyzed by the apprehension in in gendered by loose talk before and upon their arrival guys are scared shitless some time ago we started a course of instruction four replacements. They last two and a half days and is conducted by battle experienced personnel particular emphasis is placed upon how to live in a foxhole development of an aggressive attitude the use of fragmentation grenade anti-grenade and bazooka throughout the course these men are trained in groups of twelve later assigned to organizations by these same groups. You don't know what you gotta tell. People about is a close out here by saying we found that this course of instruction gives replacements much greater self-confidence at debunks the notion that they're picked up in the rear the course has definitely improved. Not only the morale but also the fighting ability of our replacements who expect to continue the plan for all replacements to come visit. You know what else you got to help. He was like oh. You're going to be nervous but it's okay. You're going to be nervous. It's no big deal. Everyone's nervous no big deal. It's fine that helps a lot. Because i've seen this with fighters they get nervous and they don't know what nervous feel like even really experienced athletes that might have wrestled or they might. Have you know boxed or they might have done smokers. They might even have a decent. Mma record but now they're going in the ufc and they get nervous for the first time and they had they don't know what they don't know that feeling and all of a sudden they think it's bad from things wrong and you've got to say. Hey listen oh you're feeling a little queasy right now. Feels some butterflies. That's good that's your body putting your blood into your muscles instead of to your stomach. It's all good common. Failings says a successful third army company commander. The following failings are common among replacements. They must be strictly and promptly eliminated if excessive casualties are to be avoided and combat efficiency obtained lack of ordinary discipline. Saying yeah instead of saying yes sir jumping at the sound of every outgoing incoming artillery shell. We acted like we were like straight up That's in ramadi like with the guys would show up. And sometimes there'd be outgoing artillery from camp ramadi and you'd see guys freak it out. We bought ed's outgoing. We'd like all this extra forward that like. Is that a thing because like you know when you first encounter gunfire even if it's like you know the guy next year. Whatever shooting outgoing as we can start will you if you don't hear that all the time. Yeah it's so loud. So i'll be like this at the gun. Range bear with me. I know so at the gun. When you i mean i go in you. Start hearing the boom. You got a little but after a while you go a few times or whatever it's like you don't jump at all but then let's take your friend his first time or something like that for a long time and whatever and you see them. Jump and then. Is that a thing like azerbaijan. Few kind of you know you're going to get startled. You'll get startled but you do get used to it. Yeah fully what i'm saying is let's say you go to the gun range somewhere or coronado whatever and like booms shots fired. Whatever like down range. Whatever and i'd like jump. Are you going to tease me. Is that the culture kind of like the guy. Why are you jumping for kind of thing. You're asking if i'm gonna teach you dancers. Yes that's kind of a universal But you do get used to it but still like a startling noise but you get used to me. We shoot a ton in the seal team. Slow yes so much. Yeah it makes sense then again. Yeah you know. I haven't shot in a ton in the seal team's but when i go to the the range gets the same thing on a different scale where yeah when i go in your home or when you're about to shoot in here the next day my goal or whatever it's like this is not very reassuring just here in but then after a while it doesn't affect his figure that's natural regardless of the environment deducing garner. Tell that story on the podcast. Where the guy they were doing a debrief. they're doing a debrief. So jason garner's like at the five and they're doing a debrief after like a sikh you see kill house ron or something. And this young officer. Standing there during the debrief and he just cracks off around like during the debrief supposed to be cleared safe. He cracks around. It goes between two guys. They're standing in a circle. He cracks off around and the dude had like an out of body experience. Any looks up the group and he says he was declared. He says my favorite stories from gardner dude. Because that tells you how people get crazy. They do something and they think they wasn't even an excuse for person someone else. He was the cocking it. So there you go jumping at the sound of every outgoing or incoming artillery shell Here's another good one. Donor was storeowners. Tasking it was going through. Ckc training and this guy through a crash into a room and it like he threw a crash into the room and then went in rome and then like backed out because he scared the because something weird like that where the guy was basically scared of the crash and so stone who was watching and systems a get done with iran. And someone's like hey come with me and stone got like seven crashes in his pocket and then he went into a small closet and he goes and he starts talking to guy all normal and mike like hey one hundred and as he's a crash out on does it and pull the pin and just drops it at their feet and continues talking totally normal. Does that seven times and then at the end of whatever. He was saying he goes. Hey by the way. Don't be scared of crashes democracy. I heard you wait. So are they okay. They can't hurt. You got it but across just goes bang holding your hand if you hold your hand. Yeah so each emit any thing. That doesn't have anything. It's like a big firecracker. Basically i mean look you. Don't wanna put a firecracker next to your hand or next year. I but they're not gonna hurt you. I mean you crash each other all the time. So i always thought that was a good lesson. Learned from stone to that dude. Probably not great for his hearing but a well unwillingness to use the rifle many have been told never to fire without direct orders for fear of revealing positions lack of pride in self organization or work poor physical condition a tendency to bunch together when endanger. I wrote about that in leadership strategy and tactics not just from battlefield but also from a mental status. We all just wanna like crowd each other we we we feel comfort be next to each other. Don't freezing fire. Slava n- slovenliness in care of equipment lack of skill with a rifle or other infantry weapons fear of the night ignorance squad formations field sanitation and personal hygiene combat comment replacement to exhibit. These deficiencies usually have usually not had the advantage of such training system as described above. So think about how your indoctrinating your people you can probably do a better job of it. Next section's about river crossings. It goes by this whole this is these are tactical things trying to help people win this war. These are tactical things about literally how to cross rivers very to read not going to cover it right now. Covers assault boat handling and and water safety and footbridges and cable. Bridges and engineer bridge is it just goes on all these detailed sections. Then it goes into this story about roger young and it's got a song that's got a song with musical notes that you can sing. I'm gonna read you the the flea rix the first part of it. Oh they've got no time for glory in the infantry. Oh they've got no use for praises loudly sung but in every soldier's heart all the infantry shines. The name shines the name of roger. Young roger young who fought and died for the men he marched among so this story is about a a medal of honor recipient and it tells a bit of the story here. That song is about this medal of honor recipient rodger young on july thirty first nineteen forty-three the infantry company of which private young was a member was ordered to make a limited withdrawal from the battle line in order to adjust the battalion's position for the night at this time. Private young tune was engaged with the enemy. In dense jungle. We're observation was limited. The platoon was suddenly pinned down by intense fire from a japanese machine. Gun concealed on higher. Ground only seventy five yards away. The initial burst wounded private. Young as the platoon started to obey the order to withdraw private young started creeping toward the emplacement. Despite a second wound he continued his heroic advance attracting enemy fire and answering with rifle fire in close to his objective. He began throwing hand grenades and while doing so he was hit again and killed private. Young's bold action closing with this japanese pillbox and thus diverting its fire permitted his platoon to disengage itself without loss and was responsible for several enemy casualties. Like i said roger young was. He received the medal of honor for this action. And i looked up. I looked up. Roger young and it is an interesting story. He was from a small town in ohio. To place called tiffin. Ohio and sometime during high school. He was a really good athlete. Who small babies are really good athlete and sometime in highschool who's playing either basketball football. He got some weird injury. Some weird head injury that left him almost completely deaf and blind. He could see but not really well he could hear but not really well and he was worried about being able to get into the regular army so he joined the national guard and he was like a really good soldier despite the fact that he couldn't see very well and he couldn't hear very well. And before this this assault in new jersey new georgia and this island new georgia which is in the solomon islands before this assault. He'd been advanced in rank and he went to his leadership and requested a demotion because he felt like he was putting his guys at risk because he couldn't see well enough and he couldn't hear well enough and at first they thought he'd just trying to get out of the year. He's just trying to not do this. Do this assault. And he said no. I'm doing the assault. I'm doing the salt. But i shouldn't be in charge of anyone because i can barely see and i can barely hear and they said okay. Raja that they demoted him. They so he wasn't in charge of squad anymore and he just became a rifleman out there. And save this guy's neck sections called patrol pointers commanders. And staffs as well as troops should be made to realize the amount of detail essential to proper preparation of a patrol for each mission emphasized the fact that the patrol leader must be given the means to end time to accomplish his mission. How often do we actually think about what we're tasking people with. You gotta realize what you're asking people with what time it's gonna take how much time they need to prepare for. Contact with the main force leaders of flank and security or security patrols should be impressed with the importance of maintaining contact with the main force at all times. Loss of contact has often proved disastrous. So you have to maintain communications the opposite extreme that we got a little dichotomy going here the opposite extreme however can also have serious results. One patrol leader over zealous about maintaining contact caused the attack to involve the main body and develop into a major action for which the latter was not prepared. So this guy kept everyone so close that by the time they did the assault. The main body got caught up in the assault as well. So there's a dichotomy. You gotta balance patrol leadership. Strictest discipline must be maintained during a patrol operation. Rigid control should be exercised to eliminate unnecessary noise. Talking sneezing and most important. Ill advised firing. All movement must be regulated to take full advantage of conditions such as rain storms temporary obscuring of the moon by clouds etc. So this is what we got to remember when we say. Strict discipline has to be maintained and control. If you and i are on a patrol and you're in the back of the patrol and the year the rear security. And i'm the p l i'm the patrol leader and number two fourteen eighteen twenty two guys between us. How do i control what you're gonna do. I can't you see something that makes you nervous. You can start shooting. You might start making a call. You might be doing dumb things. Why is that. Because you're dumb. Because i'm a bad leader because i didn't explain to you what the parameters were of what we're doing. I explain to you why we're doing what we're doing. I explained to you the danger of shooting your rifle if you'd weren't sure of what was happening so we may say control of it like oh i've gotta sit there and tell everyone exactly what to do. You're going to really lose then you have to do. Is you have to utilize powerful and and and well executed decentralized command. That's what controllers back to the book one patrol had almost completed its mission when its presence and location were revealed to the enemy through an unguarded movement by one of the members. This betrayal nullified the entire effort of that particular patrol. Patients is of the utmost importance in patrolling. The success or failure of patrol depends in the final analysis upon the qualities of leadership possessed by the patrol leader in most cases. The commanders have selected their best officers. Nco's to perform this duty. Leadership is what makes patrol successful leadership. organizing professional. patrols isn't interesting combat concept. Some commanders have gone so far to organize permanent patrol groups whose principal function is to furnish personnel for battle missions. The officer selected for these groups are volunteers most aggressive tough and rugged officers in the unit. They are permitted to select from the unit men who possessed the same qualities after a period of intensive training and scouting patrolling battle drill and physical hardening. The patrol group is attached to the unit headquarters from which it receives. its mission. So he's talking. Look you can make a little element. That's made of your best guys. Fatigue constrain endured battle patrols make impracticable to assign them more than one major mission every two or three days upon completion of a mission. The men should be moved to a rear location fed rested and prepared for the next. What i what. I say is interesting about this. It wh- what do you have in your company. That's a duty or a mission or a task that may be it such of such importance that you put together a little hit team and they get good at it and they do it all the time and you give them the support you give them the training at a very sensible thing to think about now. It doesn't mean you have to exclude everybody else. Because i can have a hit team of four people that do presentations to clients. That doesn't mean. I sent to other guys. You know occasionally throw this guy throwing other people learn and maybe they spent some time in the team. But it's an interesting concept and a good one to make someone professional at that particular part of the duty. I mean you're a football player. That's what football is right. Special teams right. I mean it didn't used to be that way used to be like the what we're gonna play football but he's playing. Yeah we're playing football. Yeah now it's only going out with this place abic. That's an interesting way to look at it. Only one this place. People only play one play kicker kicker kicker a wedge breaker some well that can be kind of versatile style. Yeah you're right specialty proud. He was wide receiver but what the heck was his name. He played a trade union. He was just well. He was a wide receiver for sure and he did some things whatever. It was marginal compared to what his specialty was was blocking field goals outside because he could run real fast team. Yeah he has the instinct he was just so yeah the instinct and his speed. He was on the team so the way he could. Just by guinness rod. Dennis rodman rebounding. Yeah you dennis. Rodman is if the scenarios a little bit different. Because it's it's not like they're like. Hey we need to call the rebounder. Dennis rodman i was just playing. He's insane but this guy. Hey they're about to kick a field goal a frequent. What the heck was matt. Oh men they're gonna be mad at me for not so. This guy had good instincts to get that hand on the ball. Speed instincts weird about this. He must have been really good to actually be identified as that guy totally was famous for that so it was like the. The team was like kind of known for that. H-have buckle up when we kicked field goals or punts like this coming so there was time they got to the point where they would stack that side wherever he was which is dangerous to do. Because you open up the other side for other guys but bro. It's that important that's a good. That's how good this specialized Skill he developed. You know there's something to be said about this concept and specialising and focusing on something I was watching a thing about wayne gretzky. And when he was like he would sit there and watch hockey games as a kid and while he was watching the hockey game he would trace the puck like with a pen on the on the on like a piece of paper like he draw hockey rink and then he would sit there and trace where the puck went where to go the whole time and then when the game was over three periods later he would look at the where his marks were on this piece of paper and start to think. That's where the puck is. This is where the puck is most the time. This is where. I need to be and same with dennis rodman. He would know where different shooters on his team kinda spin. They put on the ball and he'd be able to assess where that ball was going to go. Where's the highest chance of that happening. That's what he focused on. So if you can do that with a team and you can get a team focused on a particular item. They're going to excel at it. It's a good concept And a comment here says. The presence of a professional patrol group in a unit should not be considered a complete solution to the patrolling problem nor should operate to curtail the training of individual riflemen in scouting and patrolling. Right doesn't mean you got rodman so now no one else needs to work on the rebounding The professional group should be used for difficult to special missions while normally normally trolling continues as well. Now this section. That i'm about to read this is this is one of the ones where when i read these for the first time i was like this kind of. It's a good debrief because it's a failure. And they actually debrief emission here it. The section is called how not to patrol and it's got notes in it. A sixth army report includes this account of an unsuccessful patrol action in new guinea though. Some members of the patrol exhibited splendid courage and initiative mission was not accomplished in casualties. Were high the negative results of this patrol action. Due in large part to several violations of basic patrol principles as pointed out below a map of the area is shown on the opposite page so the terrain that they're dealing with is the second terrain the coastal flat river. There's a river and the way the river is broken out of the rivers covered with kunai grass to five heat. Hot feet high interspersed with wooded areas. Traveling is difficult and exhausting trees in the wooded areas are not close together but the underbrush is dense and visibility limited. So you already know. This is freaking horrible. This is hard trying to get through a track paralleling. The beach is about eight feet wide and clear of underbrush along the beaches a forty eight foot embankment suitable for cover against small arms fire from inland. The width of the river varies from fifteen feet. In some places to thirty five feet in others. Its current is swift. The stream bread is rocky and relatively shallow except for the main channel. Which at the time of this patrol action was more than six feet deep as a result of recent rains so the way this is set up. There's there's like this there on an island. They got the ocean. It's a beach. There's an outpost that's to the south end out post a. And then there's a river mouth and this patrol goes across the river to enemy territory and they've got these various locations. A is the outpost in across the river. You've got this coconut plantation you gotta perimeter that could set up and you got a little village up there and they've got all these routes that go in and out route k they take in route l. one elm it takes out route and another omen takes out. So there's a lot going on in this in this patrol and i don't wanna get too wrapped around trying to explain like exactly what happened without the visuals but the patrol consist of a rifle platoon reinforced by two sixty millimeter mortar. Squads one intelligence man a radio operator an eight-man second lieutenant why. The platoon leader was in command. I attended x. From wise company was attached to the patrol as observer and coordinator comment. The higher commander keeps the accomplishment of the mission in mind when he selects the patrol leader. The more important the mission the more careful. His selection must be a good leader. Should have judgement initiative courage endurance and be a highly skilled leader the attachment of lieutenant x. As coordinator not only divided responsibility but also indicated a doubt in the commanders of mind as to wise ability to lead draw. So you've got you've got this second. Lieutenant that's going out there and command but you put a first lieutenant with them it. It doesn't make sense. And that's what they're that's their communist. You're kind of you're kind of fell into people if you trust one guy to run the mission don't don't do it. It's just a rifle platoon. Why you into officers out there. Do you not have confidence one of them. And if that's the case why are you sending them out there important thing to think about. And what does it do to the minds of the troops. Hey we go. There's the boss cool. Oh eight now. We got another boss and we'll wait are saying. Why are we to boston's the mission. The mission of the patrols across the river in vicinity of the battalion outpost reconnoiter the coastal area south of this village and destroy any enemy found right. So there you go. But i'm gonna read that again. The mission of patrols to cross the river in the vicinity of the betine post do reconnaissance of the coastal area and destroy enemy found and it says here comment. The mission assigned by the higher commander to the patrol leader must be specific in unmistakable indefinite missions invite confusion casualties and failures. One patrol cannot be expected to to execute efficiently a number of missions. And by the way. They're they're quoting field. Manuals that's fm. Twenty one seventy. Five reconnaissance patrols are used primarily to secure information maintain contact with the enemy or observed terrain. They avoid unnecessary combat and accomplish the mission by stealth reconnaissance patrols engaged in firefights only when necessary to accomplish their mission or to protect themselves. So you see the dichotomy here. We want you to a reconnaissance but we want you to destroy any enemy that you find. That's different things that saying. I want you fight someone and run away from them at the same time. A- combat patrol executes missions which they which may require fighting to accomplish or to help accomplish every combat patrol security information as a secondary mission. Then here's the comment. This patrol been given two primary missions reconnaissance and combat without any indication as to which has priority prioritize next execute. We need to know what the priorities the directive to destroy any enemy found in the area if taken as a primary mission will preclude successful will recruit successful operation as reconnaissance patrol. The mission should have been either combat with reconnaissance as a secondary mission or reconnaissance alone in which case the patrol would engage in combat only to the extent necessary to complete his reconnaissance mission. So think about that. When you're signing someone emission make sure they understand what the damn mission is and don't assign them to missions that are opposed to each other and when you do assign people two three missions or tasks or projects make sure they know what the priority mission is. What the priority project is. The patrol departed out of the outpost. Ten fifteen leaving a sixty millimeter mortar squad. Furnished fire support a rope secured. Both banks were used to help. Put the patrol. Wait across the stream by eleven. Fifteen personnel and equipment had crossed and we're waiting for scheduled artillery concentration before moving forward at eleven. Thirty eight around one five was fired. After completion tillery fire the patrol wreck reconnoitered along the route to the beach except the killing of three jobs by the rear point. No contact was made and the trip was uneventful. Okay at fourteen. Five patrol arrived at c. Which is they they basically patrol from the outpost which is on the beach inland a little bit into the north and they get to the beach up north and they set up a perimeter. That's the point. See that they're talking about for purposes of command and control. The patrol was divided into three sections consisting respectively of second. Lieutenant y and ten men. The platoon sergeant and thirteen men and i attended accent. Twenty men so now we're dividing force and the comment is actually command and control. Were not improved by this organization as was demonstrated later lieutenant why. In addition to commanding the patrol was also commanding one of the sections. Lieutenant acts as as a section leader now under the command of his junior lieutenant. So have you ever heard me say you probably have if you want to be in charge of everything you want to be in charge of nothing so when you're supposed to be in charge of of troll and then you take charge of a section. You're not going to be able to control everything you're going to be focused on the squad or the section that you're leading so that's why you have subordinate leadership. So they can look down in and run that little element and you can look out and see what the whole team is doing together. And you can mutually support each other in covering move for each other at this time radio communications with the battalion. Commander outpost was established however radio soon went out did not function thereafter contact. The first contact with the enemy came shortly after the reorganization have been completed about twenty japs with armed weapons attack the perimeter from the southwest. Apparently this group had followed the trail made by the patrol in the brief ensuing skirmish ten naming were killed and the remainder dispersed. Okay they do okay through that one patrol then move southeast along the coastal track toward coconut grove. At be so now they were far up north. In the perimeter. Now they start moving south towards this coconut grove when advanced element of the patrol reach the northwest edge of the coconut grove. They received heavy machine. Fire rifle mortar hanger nate fire from their front and right flank so is a bad scenario crossfire. Three members of the patrol were wounded. It was estimated that about fifty enemy fighters were in the grove. First lieutenant x. Assumed command and because they heavy fire ordered the patrol to return to the former beach at position. C to the wounded men had been had to be assisted after their arrival. So now they go back to this perimeter that they had after their arrival at sea. The firing stopped and a temporary perner was organized. So they get back there. Regroup that got to wounded we tended x. finding them in too closely grouped or two sections to move further inland. Neither section moved as far as lieutenant so he signaled them to move further. So their inner perimeter lieutenant says hey push out from the perimeter a little bit. They don't really move far enough so he gives a signal to move further. This signal was reported to mean that the sections were to return to the river via separate routes as had been discussed earlier when the patrol. I reorganized at sea because both sections moved out leaving lieutenant x. By himself with his twenty men so now we have three different sections out here. Three different elements out there. And you do not want to split forces in the first place and you definitely won't want to split forces into three groups and you definitely don't wanna split forces into three wounded any already been attacked by a fifty men. Enemy force is crazy. The comment the patrol must be directed regulated and controlled. At all times patrol members must be familiar with all prescribed signals. The leader may arrange for a few additional signals for special purposes. In this instance in this instance the loss of control can undoubtedly be attributed to the poor chain of command in the patrol organization to sudden change in command from lieutenant to lieutenant x while the patrols in contact with the enemy and to a failure to reach clear understanding plans and signals. You can see how these lule compounding problems and if you look at your organization if you look at what you're doing inside of your business one little. What little mistakes are you making. What little what. Little things are you compounding. What problems do you have. That can be compounding. That can lead to disaster. Is it communication. Is it chain of command. Are you not mutually supporting each other. Do people not understand. What the mission is you see. This applies to everything that we do with eighty kind of team. The trip back the sergeant with his thirteen men followed route. M so basically the all-star going back in different directions. They crossed the river edson and reported back to so they get back. This first group of thirteen guys gets back to the to the command. Post the battalion command post second. Lieutenant wine his ten men made it wider circuit and they report back to the battalion and later without having contact with the enemy case. So we're doing pretty good. But firstly ten x realize that the other two sections had gone. He proceeded to the river to another route when he's got the wounded guys. One of the wounded died en route. The body was carried. The section reached one point on the river without difficulty but found the point of the river. They got the. The river was thirty feet wide and the current was very swift and it would have been dangerous even for excel excellent swimmers and attempt to reach the original crossing site was unsuccessful because the enemy was in position because the enemy would. They tried to go back where they originally crossed. That's they try and go back to and guess what the enemies waiting for him there. Obviously they know how hard it is cross river. They know the crossing-points patrols should return from this comment patrol should return from a mission over a different route to avoid ambush alternate crossing points could have been determined by reconnaissance before the combat patrol was sent out. It appears that the enemy allowed. The patrolled across the river unopposed planned to ambush it by closing in behind So now lieutenant x. Goes back so they get. They get away from the place where they originally crossed. He sets up a perimeter. Anticipation of attack by the enemy. Sergeant was then sent out with the mission of crossing the river and reporting to the battalion commander for help. The next section is called of the rescue. Meanwhile the battalion commander received a situation report from the leader of the section which returned acting upon this information the battalion commander and formed a group of twenty men and had proceeded to the vicinity of this island. And another thing that screwed up and when you sit on the terrain where this element wants to cross over. They're going to cross the river. They're gonna cross onto like a little mini island where they'll have to do another freaking crossing but they don't know that because they haven't done recon believing that this to be the balance of the patrol also so. This group is preparing across the river to aid the remainder of patrol when they observed lieutenant wine his section crossing back and so now the battalion thinks okay. They're coming back so we're good so they all go back to they all go back to the battalion and then the battalion figures out the battalion commander figures out. Oh wait you didn't even bring back all the guy all the guys so two groups of comeback. But there's a third group out there now the battalion commanders. Like trying to figure out what to do so he goes back out again and again. This is the battalion commander. This is a very senior guy going out to execute this rescue mission in order to evacuate and they link up in order to evacuate the wounded. It was decided they wrote must be used several attempts lieutenant. Extra across the river with the roper unsuccessful finally but the battalion commander and four others grasp hands and formed a human chain out into the water lieutenant x. removed his clothes and tied the rope to his waist from point upstream. He plunged into the river and was successful in reaching the hand of one of the men in the human chain as he was carried downstream by the current as the men in the human chain with the aid of others on the bank. Were pulling lieutenant ex and the rope. Ashore machine gun opened up from north west bank. Although the rope was eventually secured on the island one man had been killed and five wounded including the battalion. Commander the wounded were evacuated to the outpost with a battalion. Commander died within an hour comment. Although his bravery was commendable the inadvisability of italian commander participating in a patrol action is obvious subsequently back to the event subsequently. The enemy subjected the island. Too heavy machine gun and mortar fire however the men on the island is that little island of the river however the little island. The men in the island stayed in position to cover the crossing of the remaining seventeen men on the far bank. One of the two wounded men with this group of the seventeen was successfully evacuated with the other was swept away and drowned while trying to cross of the fifteen men. Only of the fifteen remaining men only eight succeeded in getting across the river before the japs closed in these men said they had been subjected to heavy mortar and grenade fire and it was believed that the others were killed so only eight of them make it. It is believed that all of the uninjured men in the group could have crossed the river before the enemy closed on them. Had they not chosen to stick it out in hopes of getting the wounded across. So there you go. These guys were brave. They wanted to stay with their friends and they end up losing just about everybody because they're trying to get these wounded guys across the comment. The patrol crossed a difficult obstacle and moved rapidly deep into hostile territory where the enemy situation was obscure. So start this whole this whole thing you start off by going into enemy territory and in order to get into enemy territory going across a freaking river. We better have a damn good plan. We don't know what the enemy situation is up there. And how deep are we going to go like. You know what you do in a situation. I got ecuador's you put really good fire support on one side of the river and sarah guys. You're going to go cross. Go ahead if something happens we got you. We are mortars heavy machine-guns. We'll be able to get you back on by the way we're gonna put a rope around the first guy so when you go across the river some habits to pull you right back. That's covered moved by the way. And then you don't go on a lengthy patrol without good support. There was apparently very little reconnaissance on the part of patrol and it was unaware of the enemy strength in the immediate vicinity. The patrol is of sufficient strength to fight. Its way out against a superior number of enemy. But when control was lost and the patrol was disorganized split up. It was susceptible to defeat in detail. And just check this out if you on patrol with me and you saw me give a hand signal like to go out set Push out a little bit further and you saw another hand signal with me from me. There would be no part of your brain. That would be thinking. I would be telling you to split forces and go back to base. No part of your brain would think that you would know that i would that i would wanna stick together. You would know that everyone would know that everyone on the team we think. Hey the only way we're splitting forces if jaakko comes over and looks at me and says hey we're splitting forces. Here's the new plan other than that. We're sticking together. That's like an implied commander's intent from me. Always we are sticking together. We will cover move for each other for sheriff. But we're not gonna get separated where we can't mutually support each other. That's not that's not a good thing ever. So what kind of implied intent you have with your team in your organization that people know what to do and they won't make mistakes like this so essentially you're are you saying like your example where that such a rigid rule that you have it would be established established like this kind of the like like if life heard me on the radio. Say that coach split for sean. He wouldn't be like doctors told me split force feedback. Something somethings campy. Would make sense to him. He'd be like okay. Hey jaakko say pay jaakko. I'm gonna come and talk to you because if you've never remotely said anything like hey let's split up and see how we do right right. Let's get to for me to say. Hey set up a good cover position co all day long provide cover move to high ground any of those things but to say split forces it would be he would need to. He would ask questions and you're seeing that's because there are certain things that are when you see you said imply the right but there's certain things that are just. This is what we're starting. Let me tell you what one of them is. Cover move if you cover move is what i live by. It's a first law of combat right first of all combat is covering move. If i'm telling you to go away from me. We can't cover move anymore. And leif lou fears and second. Jaakko doesn't want me to cover move that's crazy. Something's going on that. I need to understand. Or it's a miscommunication. He's not like oh cool later. No violates one of the principles of combat leadership is not going to happen. So what are those principles inside your organization. You have them established correctly. That people know what to do. If i'm weird signal comes through. They go into say. What are you talking about. This doesn't make any sense. Like dave burke it's a request from a client. Yeah you know. And i say don't give the client any support. But he would be wait a second. No going on here you know. Something's not clear. There's a miscommunication because we're here to support our clients. We're here to teach them leadership where he give them all the leadership tools that we can. So dave knows that implicitly. So if i say. Don't give them any sport he'd be wait a second article talking about on. Yeah kind of like if you lost your temper on somebody. You'd be like something would be. Yeah wouldn't compete right really. You'd be like oh that must be like a demonstration or something you know check before we jump this next section that section right there was the section that i kinda wanted to that. That kind of caught me. Because it's a very good debrief of a little you know you read about big battles and we've covered many big battles and of course we get. We get the gist of the battle. We get the experience of battle from one man's vision but to get a after action debrief like that and you can imagine how the this is. This is just a one little tiny example. One little tiny example. and and. that's why. When i when i started this thing off and i said you know why cover these. I never heard these lessons. Every freaking military leaders should read that after action report where a bunch of guys get killed. A bunch of guys get wounded a wide use. It happen it's so clear white happens. They give you the reasons you have multiple chains of command. You have guys splitting forces. There's unclear communication like. You should know these things. You should get top these things and look what else you're facing out there. You got your enemy right. What else you got the river. The river of that doesn't sound like a big deal but people drowned. This is not business. Ain't like little stream. This is a river where people drowned. Yeah and then. That's the kind of the assumption for us. Outsiders where we think of. Okay they got a you know the this many guys on their side and we got this many guys but we got this and we got that like we have these tanks. We've got you know it's like nuts nuts kind of thing but you consider no no. There's there's like we need food. We need to get across that river. They're all this stuff. That's kinda jungle the jungle. Just getting through there you just about weapons or they're getting sand in them. They're getting is raining. Yeah we're we're our feet feeder rotting. Were starving by the way we need water. We have dysentry like what is going on. And by the way there's a bunch of japanese suicidal fighters that want to kill us all do. Yep remember saving private ryan right where they kind of you know. They they They come up on the beach. And you guys are jumping in the water whatever And then couple guys they just drowned like it's like you know when you you see that opening shot and you consider it in real life or whatever. It's kind of like okay. What are we about to get into. This is going to be scary. Machine guns Trick in germans bombs all this stuff but then oh wait a second. What about the actual water you have to go through. That's gonna kill some of an imagine this you and you make a movie and you actually go into the horror and panic of each individual that jumps into the water with sixty four pounds of gear. They're not a great swimmer. They go to the ballot box panicking fighting and drowning and dying a horrible death. And that's happening all over the place on that day and then meanwhile if you survive if you somehow get your shit together and get your gear off and now you get to the beach. You're getting freaking strafed by enemy elevated bunkered machine pigeon positions you check. Last section of volume seven is called opie and cpi security observation post and command post security. This is such a good start. It says even at this late date. Needless casualties delays and expenditures of effort are being caused by breaches of opn insecurity wills. So what are you saying. He's like we've been fighting this war for three and a half four years and even right now we have to explain. What do how to maintain security. Because we're taking unnecessary casualties. Because people aren't following the proper protocols the inevitable result of of security. Carelessness are poignantly illustrated by three following incidents. Carelessness cost lives cost. Lives reported by technician fifth grade ernest. J lang-ji hundred. Thirty fifth infantry. We stayed in one c. P. for two weeks without drawing a shell and it felt quite secure for we had been told that the enemy hadn't been shelling in that particular vicinity for the past thirty days however a few of the men either forgot or disregarded their instructions. They washed some white towels and shirts and hung them out to dry and effective signal for the enemy artillery fire upon our command post. Three of our men were killed. In the shelling. That followed this breach security learning security hardway reported by an infantry battalion commander after being shelled out of to see p locations. The first time with severe casualties we reorganized a sadly depleted. Cpa group and open for business in another building a third story battalion p in the same building could be reached only by passing a large open window on a stair landing since the entire village was under enemy observation and direct fire. It was necessary to crawl. Pass this open window to ensure that this would be done. A century was stationed in the stairway. So there's a window you have to crawl when you go by this window and it's so important that they put a guy sitting by the window going. Hey freaking crawl buddy. Hey you crawl all went. Well it was discovered that the sergeant major had just covered the opening with the large sheet of tin so that the century could be released for work with the wire team so he needs the century to go do something else so he says hey. Just put this piece. A tin up against the window displayed might seem like a weird question. Or maybe What's a century guard. Guard a guard as opposed to like you could. It's literally a guard okay. Is that like a a rank position or someone like hey. You're going to be a guard tonight. So now you're century tonight. I not you could. You could use the word guard and century. Save word thing synonym Century might have a little bit more tone of military century as opposed to a guard of a prison so a centuries more like someone. That's standing watch gotcha So what if you guys are out on a mission and it's a two day mission whatever and then it's like okay someone's got to stand watch and it's jaakko in your navy seal straight up. Are you the century for that kind of thing. We would use the term watch. Hey i got watch As opposed to saying. Hey you're on century duty in the in the navy you generally call it. Just watch so even. Hey who's got like in the barracks who's got fire. Watch or i'll watch because you stand in what sections on the ship but technically you're essentially you're well like i said it's it's leaning towards well. We would call sentry duty even in the in the navy century duty. We just call it. Watch but in other outfits promise gotcha but same tim. Duty okay. And you could put. Obviously this century was doing was telling people what do hey get down when you go across that window He wasn't actually protecting the perimeter. He was protecting the troops from doing something. Stupid was a guard in a specific capacity century. So they put this big ten that sheet up we abandon the in haste and moved to an already established ultimate. Cpa the only remaining location in town but last man had hardly left the building before was taken under direct artillery fire and rapidly disintegrated. This incident thoroughly impressed our personnel with the folly of signaling. Opec p locations to the enemy by altering the outward appearance of the building after occupancy that particular era was not repeated. They just got lucky. And i bet. Someone's like sergeant major. What did you do. You put a piece of ten up. Do we gotta get outta here. You're an idiot sergeant. Major with all due respect. You're an idiot and now the enemy knows we're here and we got to get out of here and the last the last section here one mistake is too many reported by the commanding general first. Infantry division officers this was is important officers. Visiting the frontline units should be warned against actions that might reveal to the enemy the locations of our installations in one case an observation post was located in wrecked building. Inside walls of the rooms had been camouflaged to give a background. Instruments have been set. Well back in the rooms and observers. Were careful to move about only in. The shadows all went well until the day. Some visiting officers stopped by. They moved about freely even leaning out of the windows in their with their field glasses within a half an hour. The building was completely destroyed by enemy. Fire one of our observers was killed. That's the situation when you roll down to the front lines and you think you're just going to be cool. Yeah i in my mind. I'm thinking i'm not even thinking that they were being stupid because they might just be being stupid they might also be like. Hey i'm cool. I'm not gonna hide. I'm not gonna walk around. i'm not gonna. I'm not gonna hide in the shadows. Latest got a funny story about going to the government center for the first time in downtown ramadi and be like pulling the humvees and they see marine sprinting from one location to another you know like And so they did what they were doing. And like everything cool. But i gather snipers around here you gotta move knowing roger that But that that that wraps up this this particular volume volume seven and you know that last little section. It's these these little moments where we slack off. We get complacent just for a minute just for a minute. Then that's when we get crushed are. We can't let that happen. We need to always stay on thought path. Speaking of the path and controls is our day world record. Podcasts speed is good. This book had had some sections that didn't cover because look i find leadership lessons everywhere but when we're talking about using cable footbridge across rivers i found a little bit. It was really a stretch. It was really stretch. 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The Myth of the Feedback Myth - Part 1

Manager Tools

38:38 min | 1 year ago

The Myth of the Feedback Myth - Part 1

"Welcome manager tools. The Myth of the feedback myth part one. This cast answers these questions. How do I can't Iraq pushback on feedback. What should I do? Performance reviews and feedback disgust. Why is feedback under attack with you want answers to these important questions and more people listening here we go. A. Wise Philosopher said the more that you read the more things you will know, the more you will learn, the more places you go, you probably know the philosopher is Dr. seuss books are cheap foster way to learn new things, the effective manager book and the effect of Harmony Jacques also great ways to consolidate what you've heard on the podcast if you're struggling to get to the. The big picture effective shot, the effective hiring manager are waiting to take you to new places. You can put your signed copies on our website and find links to other places to purchase unsigned e Book Kindle and audible versions, and if you're listening to this in real time, we currently have a fifteenth anniversary. Special four signed copies on the website, so be sure to right away. Okay, I don't get it I'm sure you're GONNA make. A Lot. About the attacks on performance communications and feedback in some notable publications. It's mind boggling to me. Yeah I think the stems from a lot of factors I could spend hours is talking about the state of management training and management thought and management advice, and there's certainly been a swing toward individuals, and we have a lot of individuals saying you know, feedback makes me feel uncomfortable and oh well. We wouldn't want people to feel uncomfortable because you know if you ever climb Everest, it's nothing but a comfortable climb. You always feel comfortable. You always feel safe. You always feel nurtured when you do really hard things await. No, that's not true. Yeah I've never heard anybody say who's who achieved greatness and said Oh. Yeah easy just yeah, as he's no work at all SEIC. Sweat, and blood and tears I have nothing to offer bud blood, toil tears and sweat. Yeah so in the last couple of years. Generally performance communication between bosses and directs has come under attack now to be fair. Mike over the last thirty years, there has never been a year where I was not involved, either personally or directly in a situation where HR was attempting to intervene to protect a direct from a manager. who was giving them? Performance Communications? So this is not a new trend. In that particular case. It had really had nothing to do with. The performance communications. It was that the direct federal that HR should come to their aid and HR mistakenly did. HR mistakenly believes that they are. The Voice of the employees as if they're a union. That's not true. Love HR GOOD HR is priceless. because managers are employees to. But lately in the last couple years has gotten worse because. There's a big feeling that we should do something that's safe and pleasant for Iraq's. And, frankly there are people out there right now. Seeing all performance communications are flawed. None of it works. And the reason we wrote this cast. It's very unusual cast for us. is that they're completely wrong. They're utterly totally wrong. And I'm tired of I. Got Tired of it reading an article, and so I thought what we would do. Is Go through these two articles that I read I read an article. In Inc magazine were to business. People were debating about whether or not performance reviews were useful. And it was just idiocy. Mean it was cute. It was good article idea, but it was just really bad discussion and talked about feedback in it. And then What really bothered me was the Harvard Business Review ran along article called the feedback fallacy. And for the record, despite Marcus Buckingham a guy whose work I like. But I gotTA. Tell you guys. I disagreed with both of these articles significantly, and I thought somebody Oughta come to the defense of feedback. It bugs me that there are managers who are feeling the Zeitgeist of management thinking. We're hearing from some executive who just went to a five week session at Harvard on Executive Education? Well, the latest thinking on feedback you know is, it doesn't really work in the learning style issue relative to a person's ability to accept things without fear of retribution like cheese. Who am I talking to a psychologist psychiatrist? The Guy Messed up something these tell them hey, that wasn't good. Can you do that better next time but no. So here's the outline. We basically have two articles to talk about a broken up the cast into three parts first. We're GONNA talk about the first article from, INC magazine. Should you conduct perform formal performance reviews and we're going to do that in two parts, performance reviews art primarily about feedback. We've been saying that. For Years And we need both feedback and reviews. They're meant for different purposes. The idea that you can substitute one for the other is dumb. It's like substituting toothpaste for your car and that's not. They're not the same thing. and. Then third part, the title of it is feedback isn't a fallacy and will walk through in some detail quoting from the article extensively why it's really wrong and really bad, and if you read Harvard Business Review, the article came out a year ago and I regret that. I didn't write a letter to the editor, but I thought that. I've been carrying circle around for a while. And I was tired of carrying around in my head and. I realized that probably we have a bigger audience than the people who read the letters, and yes Harvard Business Review so they go. Before we get to covering the items in the outline. We sometimes make mistake I. Think of assuming that everybody listening has heard all of our previous guidance and people might get a little bit confused now I'm GonNa. Ask Mark. It'd be really quick about this. Yeah, good, good luck, good luck! I'm more interested in hearing from you. What feedback is not when people talk about feedback sometimes? I think in their ears. They're hearing. You know a good old, but chewing. That's what we're talking about here in when we say, he just sat on air. I can't believe you said that. That's good I to see different word I thought that was I know it's early. Tame isn't then anatomical. Okay. What is feedback not? Is that what you're asked yet? It's not chewing right. It's delivered politely professionally yes, exactly Feedback is a manager. Encouraging a direct. To do the right thing in the future. If it's negative feedback, you're asking them to change. If it's positive feedback, you're asking them to do more of the same, but the purpose of feedback in the context of managerial live as opposed to stubbing one's toe. Because when you stub your toe, your body gives you feedback that says don't do that again K.. That's I. Think what most people think of when they think of feedback like negative right, but feedback is both negative and positive, and I'll give really great example of it here in a few minutes, but feedback is. A. Few minutes yeah. Yeah. I actually got kind of excited. Right in this from. Five or six hours. But yet feedback is. Encouraging their direct to be effective in the future. Either by encouraging or the same or asking them to behave differently, but not necessarily prescriptively. Feedback is not yelling screaming. It's not praise. It's not patting people on the back. It's not group comments like great job, guys. It's not generic like nice work on this or hey. I really liked us. It's not sexists or ages or racist. In any other way, it's just communication about performance that's focused on encouraging the future. Yeah, and encouraging, probably the key word there folks, so if you, if in your head you linked up feedback with anything other than encouragement I'd just encourage you to put that aside. Yeah, that's a good point. I should probably hammer that home more often. Remember you think feedback thinking courage. And that would get it out of when I see feedback, I know everybody immediately goes negative. But just because you're biased, doesn't mean you're right. Right and you're not because my way. Your bias makes you feel more right. But you're not okay so. That was a good sign my I I appreciate you saying that, in fact that juxtaposition of encouragement and negative I think is really good, really helpful. Cool, okay so now, so let's guitar I I talk about performance for us and. For us aren't primarily about feedback, right? Who Knew Who Knew Apparently Nobody Inc, magazine, or none of the to CEO's anyway okay. In the late one, thousand nine hundred nineteen issue December, but it could be wrong issue of INC magazine. There's an article and it's actually kind of a wide sidebar article. It's not it's hall of Zone. It's not the only thing on the page. Called shooed you conduct formal performance reviews. To CEO's of small firms are asked for questions about reviews. And the basic premise of the article is the magazine is going to grade the answers from each of them on the four question and determine which one gets the advantage of the other one which one wins the debate if you will? Now to be clear, guys. We chose this article not because it's rare okay. not because it's weird. But because it really captures the current debate, the zeitgeist about performance reviews. And then belatedly feedback well. And it also talks about which is better, reviews or feedback, right? It brings that into the mix, even though the original question was only about reviews, and of course, what's interesting about that debate is that's a dumb question to ask, which is better, reviews or feedback like? You know which do you think it's better, tomato or hardwood floors I mean okay. I mean it depends on whether I'm eating them or not I guess. Now look no problem. I actually like articles like this. Generally, let's let's have more opinions. And I also like the debate stuff that they don't just interview. One person who says Oh. Yeah, we've got to move asked. This or we gotta do this or we gotta do that like the second article. We're GONNA talk about. Mike you know curse to me. I said this is an unusual cast, but I mean. Have we ever done a cast? All we did was expurgate on. An article or two. WHO I. been so long, but I I don't think so yeah. Okay, it's been so long. I can't remember all the PODCASTS we've done in folks. We're not doing this because we've run out of other materials time. They'll send that. Now they're now. They're just GonNa for saying the articles particularly right now since things is coming out daily right, so so people just think how just even mark seriously. You're running out I. Mean My many times. If you ask me, Hey, a week in run out of topics not in the last few years by it used to be a weekly APP. Thing, we're going to run out. I'm like dude. I'm never going to run out I. Think I'd still over three thousand more. And I tell Kate and Sarah and everybody else listening in the company. You guys really needed. Chain me to my desk I. Don't get to travel anymore. I shouldn't play golf and all should do is right. Anyway okay. So You know. The article brings up a good point I. I didn't like the article, but brought up a good point But unfortunately for readers whomever they may be in this case. The opinions are positioned as guidance for other. CEO's for companies and for managers. And I don't think they're helpful at all. They're much more a restating of common wisdom, and remember demanded her tools ruled that wisdom isn't common and so therefore common wisdom is wrong. the common wisdom about reviews, and in fact in this case, the magazine determines that the CEO who takes the position that we should not conduct formal performance reviews has the advantage in the debate. You I mean you could never draw I. mean almost no one would trump that conclusion from the question. ZANDER's I saw, but but it didn't matter. Apparently, the fix was in. So the reason, we mention it here again with the feedback fallacy article, which is much more famous. Is that two of the four questions that were put to the IOS mentioned performance feedback. Because of the stupid. Idea that performance reviews and feedback or somehow the same thing or similar. I'm not saying they're not categorically related to one the tomatoes. and. Mayonnaise go together in a sandwich, but it's not like you just think of mayonnaise immediately when you think of tomatoes, but now you say performance reviews. Everybody thinks feedback. You'd say feedback. Everybody thinks performance reviews. It's dumb, sorry. K. and by the way I'm not calling you dumb. It's dumb thing. Okay. You're smart and it's a dumb thing I can tell you have plenty of ideas and I'm. I'm not stupid. No smart I am but I'm. I'm not dumb. Okay! The reason. That that happens that the common wisdom is longstanding and we'll get to that Now to be fair in this case, I. Think you said earlier I think I used the word debating. They're not really debating. What they do is the asked for questions, and then they put the question in the middle, and they put each person's answer on either side. And so they're not responding to one another. They're not having to defend their points against the other person, and here are the four questions they're asked. Is the annual review process still relevant. I mean what they're talking about is still relevant in the history of mankind not is still relevant for you today, but. If our annual reviews, a good idea at all Tang can more casual feedback replace formal reviews. Can constant feedback be disruptive in its own way. If you're a clever person and maybe a writer, you can already see that the magazine is attempting to skew the argument and last one was do formal reviews discourage productivity. I'm sorry, but I really do think that the. Council is leading the witnesses, but anyway. And we would have chosen different questions, but I get it that you got to sell magazines and so a little bit of flash a little bit of. A little bit of juice, okay fine. Now. One of the reasons INC magazine said the Anti Review CEO one. was that at the end by the way they put this in their sub note. They gave it to the the. No, let's not do reviews. person is because they said quote. According to Gallup research by the way Gallup's interesting in this because. Buckingham. The guy in the next article used to work for Gallup. According to Gallup Research, formal processes aren't well received. Formal review processes aren't well received, and they're expensive. An Organization of ten thousand employees can waste as much as two to thirty five million dollars a year in lost working hours. Guys. I JUST WANNA. Tell you that's a problem with how performance reviews are done. Poorly I would argue not whether or not the performance process is useful. I'M GONNA. Go further and say I found it frustrating that the to CEO's who were discussing this are CEO's of relatively small companies now really actually kind of small one is smaller than manager tools and revenue and close to us than the number of employees. My guys are tiny. Yeah, I, mean and for the record guy's all small companies want to be big. K. but, SMART SNACK OUR No No, no, we do want to be bigger. But we want to be bigger in the right way and the typical way that bigness is. Characterized as employees and that's the wrong way to think about it. What we want is bigger in terms of reach test that means perhaps structure. But I do agree with that yeah! Yeah I'll tell he's going. Out The airline good yeah I. Yeah, you know in fifteen years for those who don't know when we record these, we're recording them. Each of us are at home Mike as a home in Modesto California I live in pebble. Beach and we are on the on a skype. Call Right now, but we're each recording own half of the call, and then are marvelous audio. Engineer, Pulford. Pulford Yanni we upload each of our sound files. I only capture my half. He captured, says and then Paul. Does this magic thing where emerge them together and for the record since I always say this every time we ever record, you should know that I think once or twice in our fifteen year times fifty weeks a year, so it is at seven, hundred and fifty. Men Casts and another seven hundred probably career totals casts in our time. Maybe twice. We've had to record a show because somebody discovered. oops, hit the record button or oops. For some reason, it's corrupt for whatever reason, but if you're listening to a thirty minute show. It took US thirty one minutes to record that I mean Paul might edit out a word or two mikes. But but I don't mind that you hear me stumbling I. Don't mind that you. Might, not say something perfectly, or I might have a few homes ause even toastmasters doesn't mandate zero. But. We're recording separately. and. Yesterday Mike was here. When he's in Modesto, he can come over and we spent the day talking about the future of manager tools blue ocean strategy. The one product theory, which were very excited about, and we talked about the future, and how much bigger we WANNA be, and how we can serve more people, but also not grow, which means more productivity out of the people. We have a good I thought it was one of our best does. Pretty! And I couldn't sleep last night. Because of all the ideas flashing through my head, so thank you for that I. Actually I had a little bit of that as well now after we got done I had finished writing this podcast. I didn't finish reading podcasts ten o'clock, but. Care to students one of those days like okay I'm lucky I had this job. Thank you. The police were announced the release effective communicate to conference in virtual format. We're now accepting registrations manager dash tools dot com forward slash training. The event is going to start with a four hour virtual session with a live trainer. Who will all of your questions? And then we'll give you access to online practice. You'll be given the scenarios the opportunity to practice, and then you'll send in videos for evaluation by the PRESENTE. All of this and the disk assessment for the low price of four hundred and fifty dollars registered today. Okay, so the other company one is smaller than us. The other one has only one hundred and eighty employees, and that's nowhere near the size of ten thousand. The magazine suggests would create waste. Because of the burden of the administration of the Performance Review Process. Further if you, if you know our guidance, the right time we putting in place systems like performance reviews is around a hundred and fifty employees. One five zero! That's Dunbar's number. If you don't know what that is, you could look it up. We have a podcast about. The small company experience is not a good reference for ten thousand person companies adoption of systemic HR praxis. Now look. Let's be fair. INC is targeted at small companies. But, that would mean that the Gallup data isn't really relevant to small companies now. I mentioned it before one of my laws. One of laws is that all small companies want to be big, and that's a good thing because a company that grows sustainably is serving society. At a price to value cost benefit point that has utility for both the company and the customer. That means it's a value proposition. Many more people customers would benefit from and that his deliver for growth. K now. One of the hurdles for small companies become big is knowing when to introduce systems that support the growth. They want right. Small companies, guys don't need HR systems generally. Now if you could contacted. By a small company. HR An HR services firm, and you're a ten person company and they're saying well. Actually you might could use our services remember. They're trying to sell you something. That doesn't mean it's a smart thing for you to buy. Small companies don't need an HR expert on staff. Provided managers are given responsibility for those HR areas that a small company has to worry about for instance you don't need construction of compensation. Bands are levels of pay in twenty or even fifty person company you don't. Win, small companies do have an HR professional that usually tells me. The managers are woefully under trained and perhaps unfortunately also over-regulated. The general rule regarding HR policies guys is as companies grow. You want to implement them. Neither too soon to be burdensome nor too late to cause chaos. Wait until there's some chaos. Before you build HR systems. The people don't like that of course because it narrows the market, but I'm sorry you shouldn't do things just because somebody wants to sell you something. You should do things because it makes sense to you. Now some of the comments of the to CEOS were just off base. In my opinion, I think I like both of them. I mean they're successful. In fact in this case, they're both women CEOS which I tip my hat to. And I think they're smart people, but they're just to some degree captured by the common wisdom that feedback and performance reviews or somehow. The same thing or something I don't know. Answering the first question, which is our annual review still relevant, the Anti Review CEO said, and reviews are anxiety inducing. And in fact, the pro review CEO said. Employees Typically feel the process isn't fair or objective. What's wrong with both those comments is the focus is on the feelings of the directs. I mean that's what we talked about now. You know we had a client recently say oh, my direct were triggered. When you said that you you should not be having one on one with your skip level. I thought. Wow, triggered okay. If organizations are only allowed to implement systems that direct feel good about. We might as well not have organizations. We know thousands of professionals who look forward to their annual reviews. And at the same time, many of these people are also anxious. The elimination of processes that cause anxiety is a stupid standard. You're listening to believe. There should be no growth in the. Actually yeah I mean like no pain. No gain I'm not suggesting your job is to inflict pain, guys, but Holy Toledo as long as you've got one person saying well I. Don't feel comfortable with this. I mean every while somebody say it's not my job to make you feel comfortable. How you feel. Is your fault since. Okay again further. These issues say nothing about the relative value of the system necessarily. They're talking about how people feel when they've been asked our annual. Still relevant by the way neither one of these people have a company big enough that I think they would need to have anything more than an informal review process now full disclosure guys. We have put out our guidance on performance reviews in enormous detail, arguably some of the best work. I've ever done in terms. Every particular very narrow focused topic how to prepare for how to write how to deliver a reviews. We also came up with a system for how you manage in reviews, and we gave you a one h performance review, and because we don't like not living our own guidance. Even though there are some burdens, put upon us as a small company that we shouldn't have them. We actually do performance reviews here so that everybody here understands what it what? It's like to field to get one. And Mike and I have to write all of them. No, we don't need more. REX now. K. So what they're saying isn't really. Relevant to the question, which is about relevance, and really their answers about how people are anxious or uncomfortable or much more likely indictment of poor implementation and lousy managerial training. We can count on one hand the percentage of companies we have ever heard of that. Even have a modicum of training for managers around performance reviews beyond using the system. The company has bought or developed by the way you don't need system. Waste wasted time waste of money. Digs. Issues can be virtually eliminated by well trained managers delivering a reasonable process that they've been briefed about in an effective way. I don't know why for instance Mike. I I've been thinking about this and we're going to cast about it at some point. Why! The heck when there's a form. That somebody has to use. Let's say it's a performance review on somebody, and let's say there's a form and I. Don't think there needs to be former. Let's assume that's true. Why can't we list the process steps for the interview process on the back of the form? There when Debbie? Nice, we why not? Everybody tried to figure it out every time. They have to do it once. Make everybody guests. Yeah, exactly. Oh, well, I'll tell you what that would mean. HR would have to update it changes, and they're always tweaking the Dang thing. And then we wouldn't be able to make changes in private and then hold managers accountable for changes. They weren't briefed on right. And then you wonder why. Nobody knows what the process is I can't even I can't I can't. Even I can't do it. I literally get him come dark mark in thirty seconds, so we're going to get back. Please, good okay! Absolutely, that's scary. It scares. Yeah, just Gary Scarce. You don't be scared. Okay look guys. Your performance. Review System doesn't even have to have a particularly good process it doesn't have to. It needs to be good, but it doesn't need to be perfect, but the organization has a reasonable interest in having managers report to leadership on the relative strengths and weaknesses their personnel. K. You do. Is. Still relevant. Oh Hell, yes, anybody who says otherwise is a very small company. But big companies yeah, completely relevant the idea that some people are uncomfortable about him. That has nothing to do with assistance relevance. Regarding the second question can more casual feedback replaced former reviews. I guys this is. They're cheating this terrible question. They juxtapose casual with formal. Gay because those are judgmental words. Some people like one some people like the other. and to suggest to the average manager that feedback is casual is just dumb. Most, managers cringe at giving feedback for so many good reasons. They think all feedback is negative. They don't know they don't listen to us. That's okay. They haven't been trained how to do it. They know there's going to be pushed back because their friends told him Oh and you talk to him, he's going to be angry. They've been led to believe they must avoid behaviors. The create anxiety in their employees all these things. Okay now on this question, though one of the, CEO says boards want performance tied to business outcomes now she's right, but if she thinks every board wants every employee in a hundred and fifty person company to have their individual deliverables tied to business outcomes. She's crazy doesn't happen. And, she also goes on to say no board would accept system. That wasn't structured. Yeah. No Board has ever overseen. The detailed structure pushed down to every individual contributor in the company. So that doesn't allow ten. Now look. We can only assume that that her comments were in response to the casual reference in the question, which we've already described is clumsy, and why wouldn't it be I suspected the person who wrote the question was a reporter, but they're not business. HR, management experts. neither am I a reporter. And let's not believe for a minute that the only performance communications, a manager can have with their Iraq's can be clearly tied to business outcomes. Sorry doesn't work that way. You can try, but it's it's. Interesting conversations ask for the last question. Do Formal reviews discouraged productivity I? Mean since everybody likes productivity I'm sorry to to say asking if something discourages, productivity is just like chumming the water for sharks anyway. support question the CEO against reviews, says yes. Because you have to give feedback throughout the year I don't understand how giving feedback throughout the year. Is Somehow. Against performance views it's not an either or proposition, the CEO in favor of performance reviews says no formal reviews don't discourage productivity because employees want structure and wants to know how there were contributed to the organization. Now we do agree with that. But. Here's the thing guy so what we want to come to the fundamental point that no one everyone is seems to forgotten. Annual. Reviews were invented in order to provide succession planning data to companies not to deliver performance feedback to the employees. How do I know this? The organization that invented performance reviews was the US army after the US civil war when almost all its officers were killed. It was done to address a problem that while especially important, the military succession planning the captain's dead Colonel, which lieutenant is going to take his or her place K.. that. Process certainly important to the military is still relevant for other organization who is best suited to take over for their boss in the event, the bosses to do his or her job and thankfully. Daf is not the reason for the turnover in the vast majority of cases. So the army invented the idea performance reviews. And the first performance views were not shared with the person being reviewed. That's performance reviews game to be. In fact, if you go online and search for Omar Bradley. Performance Review, you'll find one. Basically. One paragraph typed up by it was written by inside it was it was created by was obviously typed by somebody else and signed by George Patton the famous patent. which should tell you something about patents? Political skills at one point Omar Bradley worked for him, and then two years later patent worked for Bradley. Look it was only decades later. In the history of the world. Guys that civilian organization started using performance reviews regularly and for the same reason. The reviews were not shared with the evaluated employees. It was only twenty thirty forty fifty years after that. When companies discover that they had to start having managers developed or people distributing responsibility more broadly that someone shot thought that sharing reviews with employees could serve as feedback vehicles. Performance reviews have always been terrible devices for for riding performance improvements communication to employees they are you mentioned into me? Something in December that I did march is either old news or it's embarrassing. It's old news. If you've done it right versus wrong about more time, my my promotion order my raised something that happened in March. It's now December you never told me. Never told me. I mean literally like. Malfeasance right there. But manager were so bad at giving developmental feedback, and by the way this includes both positive negative guidance reviews were seized on as an existing vehicle to deliver performance communications to the employees, and so they started getting share with employees. Maybe it's not a bad idea, but it starts from a really bad platform. And it made too many managers and executives and HR professionals believe that reviews are performance communications. But they're only a smart part small part of them, and that's not what their intent is. And if you think the performance review is all about giving feedback, then that suggested many people. That's the only performance feedback they need to give and the recent. You just described just abandoning. It's just a bad idea. And then we're making weird by suggesting these two things are again like tomatoes and hardwood floors. Okay there you go, and we need both feedback and reviews and. We're GONNA talk about that next week. But we are new. We are indeed. That was. That's fine. I tell you I guess if you're if you're thinking. This is not actionable. I think. This is probably the one asteroid. Say Okay. We are going to give you some recommendations. Later on, but we want you to know hot respond when somebody in your company says. Maybe, we don't need reviews or even worse. Somebody will bring up the idea of reviews being super important in order to begin the conversation about manners, not having to do feedback and what you should do is nod your head to let them go along. And then continue to give feedback to your directs so the your directs will win, and as the saying goes. For the Harvard football team after they lost a football game. That's all right. That's okay. You'll all work for US someday. Folks are long term licensee is a special friend of the firm and client somebody. We have broken bread with a number of times over the years. Dan mcgwire Dan is famous for naming the Hump. On the horsemen curve as Maguire Hump of the horsemen curve when he said to me one day regarding the hump. Why do I always feel like I'm on the Hump. And Dan is also famous for when we mentioned him in a podcast. This is probably ten years ago. He happened to be working in wall. Street New York City. And he was crossing Broadway at the time on foot. And we mentioned him and he had a momentary lapse. Of Sanity almost got hit by a car. So Dan, your good friend of Mike and is and of course of the team. Were glad. You've been with us for. Literally since the very beginning, thank you. Thanks everyone. That's it for this week. We'll continue with this topic next week in the meantime. Have a great one so.

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George Dramis, U.S. Army, Patton's 'Ghost Army'

Veterans Chronicles

18:08 min | Last month

George Dramis, U.S. Army, Patton's 'Ghost Army'

"Malcolm veterans chronicles. I'm greg columbus. Many people have heard of operation fortitude the allied effort to trick the germans into thinking. The target of d day was calais and not normandy but a much lesser known. Deception operation played a key role. In general george patton's drive across europe after d day. George our draymond was a member of the twenty-third headquarters. Special troops known better. As the ghost army. I became part of the twenty third sometime again in about january or february of nineteen. Forty four when that unit was being organized. Part of it was being organized at camp forrest. Tennessee and another part of it was being organized in pine camp new york. Way up in new york and then we never saw each other until we were all together overseas. The twenty third deployed to england in may of nineteen forty four shortly before d day and the unit assisted other american and british units and deception efforts surrounding the landings because the art of military deception is so complex. The twenty-third was organized into many smaller. Units each dedicated to a particular kind of deception. The twenty-third for example had separate units dedicated to radio deception creating simulated radio traffic visual deception. Using camouflage fake camps fake vehicles it also included sonic deception mimicking sounds of large troop formations or even combat and various types of other methods collectively called atmosphere. This atmosphere included members of the twenty third making themselves appear to be another unit wearing different divisional patches painting different insignias on their vehicles and much more because most jobs only required one type of deception. Draymond says the different sections of the twenty-third rarely interacted with each other. The eunice were were pretty much separate. I mean we didn't see too much the other people of unless we pulled off a big job. We know that they were there. But i i don't even remember making any friends. Any of the units. After spending two months in england the twenty-third headquarters. Special troops were deployed to the front in normandy in july of nineteen forty. Four miles outfit didn't come over until forty some days after d day. I never saw anybody. I was separated from the guys that i came ashore with. I was met by two officers and asked if i could drive to how to drive a jeep. I said he'll sir. Do come with me and for about four weeks or so. I drove around a major ralph ingersoll older of the new york newspaper pm and a lieutenant. Colonel chat hansen. Who i see on the television doing some shows about the service stuff up. of course. I didn't know who they were their officers. The two officers were working for the top brass in shaef. The supreme headquarters of the allied expeditionary force ingersoll and hanson were in normandy gathering intelligence for generals omar bradley and dwight eisenhower. They will say. Go here go there. I knew every inch of normandy. Like i know every inch of my home town i mean. I drove everywhere. Saw everything did everything. I ever got wise to them until one day. We drive up top of normandy top normandy beach. There's a plane sutton out there. Play here their as general eisenhower. General patton general bradley general montgomery british army. All these other people's admirals from the navy airforce from england. All this brass in one place adheres this. Eighteen nineteen year old kid. I'm standing right back a patent but them revolvers on his hips and the cameras are grinding away. The signal corps men. United press guys. And i'm thinking old boy. I have my pitcher in the news. This was the germans over. Come over with a plan that stopped the war right now. All two brasses here. That was quite an event for me was quite even then. I figured these guys must be top people so the plane starts to pull away and the two officers. Gp we pulled up the different location all of a sudden they said. Stay here. Report to curl sold so the beach beach. We'll be back Tomorrow or or a couple of days. They left their binoculars. They lips their guns. They left everything and they ran to the plane. Beat on the plane. Plane stopped door open steps. Come down there wanting to play. I thought my god these guys must be. They must be pretty good. Eisenhower's on that plane olas brass. That's what i figured. They were important not long. After his encounter with the allies top brass george dreyfus rejoined his unit for the drive across france. The twenty third had by now been attached to patents third army and would service patents personal deception force for the remainder of the war. Drama says the twenty-third used a myriad of tools to deceive their enemies. We were going to fake on entire division which we usually did. We're gonna fake. Let's say the ninth infantry division all the vehicles would-be marked with ninth infantry division insignias marks. What have you which sold the patches on our shoulders ninth infantry division everything making a look like we are the ninth infantry division and then when we took over their position because they were going to move out and go someplace else we would sneak in and take their position the line and we can make it look like we were a division while the real division pulled out quietly we had half tracks was huge ample speakers on them huge speakers and they had wear recorders and they had recorded various tanks. And what have you driving around. You could hear men yelling. And swearing get back to our hair back pumped up about cigarette dot and you hear the stuff going on salt. A like a whole. That was coming in but it was just a few of us as with the deception operations for d day. George strangest and the men of the twenty third were highly successful in keeping the germans guessing asked the allies true intentions however in order to ensure success. The men of the ghost army had to be very careful with whom they shared secrets. We spent a lot of time in luxembourg city That was our headquarters. Whenever we were through with a mission we always came back to the luxembourg city. We were hold up an old monastery there but anyway we'd go into town at night and it was a cafe called a pull nor cafe north pole cafe. We knew there were a lot of german activity. A german spies. The people cannot really be trusted. They were somewhere french-speaking. Some were german speaking and some had their own language which is a slightly different german. For example if you say. Good morning in germany with morgan They would say good more yemen There were different. Words were different in their language but We go that cafe. And i told you this one time. I sat next to a soldier at the bar. I did like his demeanor. I still think he was a spy was a. He was a german spy or was he was a luxembourg spy. I'm not sure but he had a german accent. I could detect the accent. He probably thought he was getting away with it. But i i could detect have a good ear for foreign languages so we talked about this and that i gave them a lot of fake information. And i'm pretty sure he was. It was a spy looking for information. You had to be very careful in that town. there's much more to the story of george dramas and the ghost army. Stay with us on veterans chronicles. This says veterans chronicles. I'm greg columbus in this edition. We're learning about the ghost army. The twenty-third headquarters special troops. Which donnelly help. Keep the germans unsure of what was happening on d day but throughout the push eastward across france and ultimately to the rhine river by november of nineteen forty four. The allied armies had reached germany's western frontier with winter. Fast approaching the allies stopped their advance in order to secure their gains while the allies hoped to resume their offensive in the more favorable spring weather. The germans used the lull in fighting to prepare a massive counter-attack in december. The germans attacked the weakly defended position. In the ardent end forest allied positions were rapidly over one and the one hundred first airborne. Division became trapped by the germans in the key town of bath stone generalizing. How're called on general patents. Third army to rescue them but with patents troops already stretched to hold their current line. The ghost army would need to keep the germans in the dark as to patents plan in order to free up divisions for the rescue attempt while most of the ghost army used deception to help patent dreyfus was used in a very different role. He was deployed to help the four. Th armored division in its drive toward stone and that deal We were my unit was in all sauce. Laurine that solve of luxembourg. I remember there was a call. The joined the fourth armored division. So they gave us the patches painted are jeep our weapons carrier with the radio coming they painted it with a fourth armored division insignias and everything we had the four th armored patches and we moved if i remember correctly matter of fact that was i saw my first battlefield commission. I saw sergeant get promoted to a on officer lieutenant. That happened right there at the spot. But i remember moving out with them and i think the several try be at night in the snow cold window down on those things That was a lot of hard drive. We took turn four of us were in a group. We took turns driving and There was no radio communications and we got up there and it was snow deep snow. And i remember when we stopped. I remember sleeping in my sleeping bag in the snow on the ground that i remember. But then it was a lot of radio communication with fourth armored personnel. But we were given the things to say and what So we we would transmit messages back and forth and morse code always in morse code due in large part to the deception efforts of the ghost. Army patent was able to free up three divisions from his already overstretched frontline and rescue the one hundred first airborne trapped in bath stone. The fourth armored division with george ramos and other members of the ghost army in tow was the first to reach the besieged troops after the battle of the bulge patent and the allies next turn their attention to the invasion of germany itself however in order to breach the german defences on the rhine river. The twenty-third would need to come up with its greatest ruse yet to assist in the attack. That was One of the few where the entire eleven hundred men twenty-third headquarters. Special troops was involved. Everybody was involved in that deal. The camouflage people that have tracked people the ones that used the fake artillery people. They had canisters where they flash bond it looked like artillery going off. That was a company. Just did that. And there were camouflage experts. Some of them became famous like bill. Blast the designer clothes designer. He was an ellsworth. Kelly's was a famous painter today. I think he died a few years ago. He's a famous painter in new york city. He's done work for the united states. government there were people of this ilk. They were painters artists. They were They did camouflage work. Camouflage was you camouflage. But just leave just enough. That shows like there's a truck there or tank or artillery piece. You just make it look like something. There didn't quite hide it. Got enough and these were these. Were eunice over blown up with compressors blow up a tank and then you pick it up with almost once. Allied troops crossed the rhine in march of nineteen forty-five the days of hitler. And the third reich were numbered only two months later in may the germans unconditionally surrendered to the allies. The operations undertaken by the ghost. Army and support of patents. Third army remained classified for more than fifty years after the war for george dreyfus. Who has already used to avoiding spies. Keeping the secret in peacetime was not difficult. I never really thought like thought wife potter course but i just. I don't know that ever. I just said well. It was a war. And i was a radio operator and i didn't have to say that it was all fake so i didn't really talk about it. I mean i just felt they wouldn't understand anyway so why talk about. I never talked about it to my buddies. Or i never said anything. And for george dream. It's the most significant thing. He took away from his service during world war. Two was gratitude. I feel i didn't do anything to me. I often think about this. I think about all the eighteen year old nineteen year old twenty year. Old guys that. I saw on utah beach omaha beach all the dead bodies floating in the water. All dead guys everywhere and i think about that. I think they never got to have a life. I mean they went to war that lasted one or two minutes. And that's i mean. I feel very fortunate very fortunate george jameson. Us army veteran world war veteran of the twenty third headquarters special troops better known as the ghost army. I'm greg columbus. This is veterans chronicles. Hi this is greg columbus and thanks for listening to veterans chronicles a presentation of the american veterans center for more information. Please visit american veterans center dot org. You can also follow the american veterans center on facebook and on twitter where at abc. Update subscribe to the american veteran center youtube channel for full oral histories and special features. And of course. Please subscribe to the veterans chronicles podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts thanks again for listening and please join us next. Time for veterans chronicles.

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Patton with Furman Daniel

Based On a True Story

1:16:57 hr | 1 year ago

Patton with Furman Daniel

"Hello and welcome to based on a true story. The podcast that compared to your favorite Hollywood movies with history. Today, we're going to learn about the classic World War Two film from Nineteen Seventy starring George, C Scott and Kara Maldon. I'm speaking, of course of patent. To help us separate fact from fiction in the movie I'm excited to be joined by author firm and Daniel ferment has written two books about patent has first book was published in Two Thousand Sixteen, and it's called twenty-first-century patent strategic insights for the modern era. His most recent book is called patent battling with history and was published just earlier this year, that's two thousand and twenty if you're listening to this in the future. Before we get and on the line, no. Let's set up our game to truth ally ally. If you knew the show, here's how it works. I'm about to say three things. Two of them are true and that means one of them is a lie. you ready. Okay. Here they are number one. Patent spent his honeymoon making a map that helped with the allied breakout of Normandy. Number two patent didn't get command over American troops for the invasion of Normandy as punishment for slapping a soldier. Number three patent and Rommel never faced each other on either side of battlefield. Got Them. Okay. Now, as you're listening to our story today, your challenge is defined the two facts scattered somewhere throughout the episode, and then by a simple process of elimination, you'll be able to find out which one is the light, and of course, we'll do a recap at the end of the episode to see how will you did. All right now, it's time to chat with ferment historical accuracy of. Patent. The movie opens with that now, famous scene, George? C Scott's version of patent addressing soldiers in front of a massive American flag. As soon as that is over, we get some text onscreen to establish when and where the movie begins Casarin Pass in Tunisia and the year nineteen forty-three. then. The first time we really see patent in the movie, not counting that introductory speech is as he's being welcomed by the Moroccans four as the movie puts it Patents Brilliant and Fabius landing on the continent of Africa. And for a bit of geographical context here, Morocco is to the west of Tunisia along the African coast of the Mediterranean. So that means the timeline of the movie starts after the Real George S. Patton was already a general in the US army during World War Two, but we know from history that patent served in the military for quite some time before nineteen forty-three rolled around so. So before we get into the details of the movie itself, can you give us an overview of patents military career up until the time line of the movie begins with Patten's arrival in North Africa. So patents military career was well established by the time. The movie timeframe takes place get actually spent time at both the Virginia military, institute, and West Point as a cadet there he served. Served in the United States cavalry prior to world. War One gotten his first taste of action in nineteen sixteen actually in Mexico as part of general pershing's invasion of Mexico pursuing Pancho via was one of the few bright spots that campaign as he was in a gun battle with one of the top Mexican commanders and actually ended up him and his men killing some top Mexican leaders. Leaders during world? War One, he was an aide to General pershing at first, but quickly became bored with this. So ask for a transfer to the tank corps. He was the first member actually of the United States tank corps and it was kind of a foundational person they are at establishing and developing doctrine and tactics and training programs for this new weapon in the American arsenal. P was a decorated war hero in world, war, one and actually ended the war in a hospital recovering from wounds. He had suffered leading his troops into battle. He's been some time in between roar won a World War Two going back to try to keep tanks going in the United States military. But quickly realizes that the depression era military has no interest in tanks. No budget for tanks. So go back to the horse. Cavalry, he mentioned in the movie many times it. He's a broken down old horse, cavalry men he. He was a horse cavern man. He was very frustrated during this period because he saw his chance for glory slipping away. But then again, when war clouds start gathering again, he sees himself as having another opportunity. So it goes back to the tank corps and on the eve of World War Two against kind of asserting himself very aggressively about the value of tanks in combat their ability to be a war when a weapon once war breaks out, his first assignment is actually to set up a training base in the desert. United States anticipated fighting in the desert in North Africa and they tasked George Patton. Someone who had expertise in setting up training, setting up tank tactics and doctrine gave him broad latitude to come up with a training base. So he goes to the desert, the border of Arizona and California sets up a massive training facility there and begins honing the American tank forces for desert warfare. He then gets tapped to be one of the three commanders to lead different parts of the invasion of north. North, Africa and that's where the movie after the famous speech in front of the American flag takes over sounds like he had quite the career before anything in this movie even happened absolutely speaking of the movie since it does talk about him arriving in North Africa. The way the movie kind of shows. This is again, I mentioned earlier in the year nineteen, forty three. There's a scene with Carlton's version of General Omar Bradley in Tunisia in forty-three before Patton is seen in Morocco where. Welcomed there. So the idea that I get from the movie here is that the American troops were already fighting in north, Africa before patent arrived in nineteen, forty three, and then upon Patten's arrival, one of the key things that we see him doing his start enacting more disciplined for the troops. How does the movie depicting his arrival in North Africa? You can definitely get the sense that patent arrive. Arrive later from the movie, the movie actually doesn't really talk much except for the one line about the brilliant invasion on the coast of Africa, it doesn't really talk much about patents roll before he takes over from general. Fredin. All after the American. Disaster Casarin. What actually happened is the allies the British and the Americans landed at three different spots along the North African coast simultaneously and patent. Patent was the commander of the Western, most task force assigned with capturing the critical port of Casablanca. He did a fantastic job on this. The vichy French authorities actually resisted for a couple of days, but Patton used his excellent French language skills, his knowledge of French history, and he actually got him to lay down their arms and incorporated the French authorities into his occupation plan. He said we. We continue fighting these people or we can give him an honorable surrender and actually use them as police to patrol the rear areas and keep the Arab authorities at bay as well. Did a fantastic job working with the French, and also as the movie suggests working with the Arab authorities in the region who were very suspicious of the British in particular and were thinking about actually using the Of the Allied invasion as a opportunity to revolt against the French authorities that had occupied that part of Africa for quite a bit of time ten does a fantastic job of first silencing, the French Resistance second incorporating them into his plan for the region, and then getting the Arab authorities on on board doesn't make the movie and the movie might actually make you think that. That this wasn't part of the allied plan, but he does this, he's very actively involved, but he wasn't fighting the Germans because their forces were further east and he actually misses some of the early battles much to his chagrin. Yeah. That's different. Implication than I got when I was just watching the movie. I was like, okay, this is essentially the first he's arriving here and. He's GonNa come save. The day is kind of what the movie seems to imply right, and it probably doesn't make great Hollywood, but Patton was very very involved in the planning of the invasion of North Africa his longtime friend general. Eisenhower, was the overall commander of that. But Eisenhower really leaned on patent because he trusted him because he understood that patent was a military expert and had combat experience that Eisenhower actually lack. So again, patent was very very involved in planning the invasion of North Africa and making sure that the westernmost part of it. The critical of Casablanca was captured. The Arab French authorities were pacified and. And that the allies could use these areas as a staging ground to push further east and actually make contact with German army earlier, you mentioned patents knowledge of history, and that touches on something I wanted to ask you about because there's a few different scenes that we see the movie where patent has this knowledge of military history. There's a scene where he arrives at some ancient battlefield. There are some ruins in the foreground and patents explaining to Bradley that this was the place where the Carthaginians fought the Roman two thousand years ago and talks about how brave they were. But the Romans ultimately one and there's An ancient ties, but there's a line in there. Kind of funny where. Patent. Tells Bradley that he was there and we get the idea that he actually believes that he was there a little later in the movie. There's a scene where General Harold Alexander of the British army tells Patton that he would have made a great martial for Napoleon. If only he lived in the eighteenth century patent laughs and says, oh, but I did Sir Harold. Get from the German side, there's a scene where some of the German officers refer to patent as a military historian, and even though it's the twentieth century. Patent is a sixteenth century. Man is how they phrase it. So we get the sense, there is the Germans. have figured out that the secret to patent lies in the past. He's really heavy on military history. How will do the movie do depicting patent as a military historian and how he used that strategy during his time in World War Two. Patent was a fantastic student of history from before the time. He could even read he listened to stories at his family's house about his. His confederate ancestors and warriors in his family's past going back to the Jacobite. Rebellion in Scotland and things like that. He was probably the most historically literate officer in the United States military at the outbreak of World War Two. He studied history. He had a very large personal library of close to a thousand books which he read and reread and took very detailed notes on. He went to battlefields to study them and actually look at the ground and study how other commanders approach to battle and try to put himself in their position as the battle unfolded and he also, as you said, had this belief that he was part of history himself and that he perhaps was this reincarnated warrior spirit of ages past I'm glad you mentioned the scene about the Romans and the Carthaginians, actually my favorite scene in the movie. But unpack that just a little bit because it kits on other parts of this. There's no actual evidence that this scene ever happened neither Bradley. Patent actually mentioned it in their writings in anytime where this could have happened as suggested by the movie. Having. said that this kind of notion that he could go to a battlefield quickly look at it could himself in the place of the commander, make a series of assessments about how that battle would unfold and then be able to quickly powerfully communicate to his subordinates is. A key element of the man's genius and and ultimate success. The point that he recites there is a point that he wrote in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, two call through a glass darkly, which actually again, touches on this other part that you brought up about this sense of history and this sense of the supernatural insensitive reincarnation. He did talk very consistently from the time. He was a child about being reincarnated about having spiritual connections with ancestors and warriors of of ages past he believed this, and he also went out of his way to tell others that he believed it. He thought that if he could kind of create this Mr Cole View of himself, he would make himself more interesting. Make himself seem as if he was always in control seem as if he had. Had, this supernatural connection to the past, my personal take on this and I want to be clear that this is Kinda. My own take after understanding the man in reading his papers might take is he wasn't actually reincarnated. What he was is he was very very immersed in this. It's all thought about from the time that he got up to the time that he went to bed, he thought about war and history and battle and fame. And if you do that for long enough. That's what you think about. You think about war in history and battle and fame, and you kind of believe Your own myth. So in the academic communities, they call this going native. If you live with a group of other people long enough you'll start. Taking on their dress, taking on their habits taken on their languages seen yourself as part of that I think patent- went native on war because he studied it every waking moment of his life from the time. Use a little tiny boy to the time. He died. He believed that he was part of something else. He took on the manners and customs and his belief in reincarnation, his belief that he was powerfully connected to pass. He really believed it. Actually was reincarnated despite his assistance upon the fact that he was. How much of that do you think could have been him trying to set himself up as almost a larger than life person? It makes sense that if you want to defeat your enemy's morale like a big part of that is to be this larger than life character and and thinking of all the different generals and leaders throughout history that have done that. If patents, researching them and and know so much about them. He had to have caught on that. Okay. Here's this common denominator that you have these. Larger. Than Life. Characters throughout history while I'm going to be one of those and bring that sense of fear almost to the battlefield before they even arrive. Absolutely, and he love this quote from the Duke of Wellington about the presence of Napoleon's hat on a battlefield as worth thirty, thousand soldiers. This notion that just knowing Napoleon was present the spirit of power and Mystique that surrounded somebody would have disproportionate effects. He absolutely believe that. He also used this notion of being something spiritual supernatural as a way to advance his own career both with the press and with the army at the time, and interestingly enough the first known claim of his own where he claimed to be reincarnated. You did it to get out of trouble as a little boy. He built a battlewagon out of a farm cart and actually attacked his family's Turkey coop took this battlewagon that he made crashed into a Turkey coop. Parents get upset said, why didn't you do that? George. He said Oh I was reenacting the battlewagons of search on the blind and they're like well. Well. How do you know about Sir John The blind and he's like. Well, I fought with Sir John The blind and apparently he was about five or six years old when it happens and his family bought, it got out of trouble. He didn't get punished or spanked or anything for destroying the coupe, and again, he you know sets this pattern of while I can get away with stuff and I can get others to believe this and it will advance my career in this case keeping you from getting punished by my parents I, never thought of that when I was five. So Kudos to him for that. Genius said a lot of ways. But yeah. Well, heading back to the movie, the first battle that we see happens after the Americans, intercept German radio message about an attack from Rommel's Tenth Panzer Division at Guitar. After this. We see patent along with. American. Tanks and soldiers lying in wait for a massive German force of tanks and soldiers. Before long the battle began, it's an epic bit of action to watch the battle on screen. You have infantry planes artillery, and of course, the tanks on each side. We don't see the full battle in the movie, but based on the part that we do see I, got the idea that the Americans one was the battle at L. Guitar, the first tank battle between patent and Rommel like the movie implies and how did the movie do showing it? So Rommel was not actually the German commander at the battle. He had gone back to Germany because he'd had. had a severe nasal infection and he also had to report to Adolf Hitler about the progress of the North African Campaign D. movie. We flee mentions this after the battle is over in a scene that so quick, you could actually miss it. But the George C Scott character patent famously says, well, I don't want some second-stringer up against me. It makes me feel that right I'm my favorite general. So the movie briefly mentions that Rommel was not actually there. It doesn't mention who the subordinate commander was. Sky Hans-jurgen Fund Arnhem. It also, as you said. Just shows the kind of. Phases of a much longer battle. The Battle of L. Guitar took place over the course of a little over a week, and it was largely an indecisive battle. The Americans, won the first phase of the battle where the Germans had planned a surprise attack on the American lines, but the Americans head. Intelligence. Warning saying the Germans were going to attack and we're able to pre-position. Their forces particularly, their artillery created kill zone and a series of minefields where when the Germans attacked into that they were basically breaking their attack off against superior firepower. The movie does a good job of showing that and. Bills that up as a turning point of the war North Africa. I think from that perspective showing the first day of that battle showing that patent had prepared for that battle and won it through understanding the battlespace. Understand German tactics. I think for that does a fantastic job. I think it also does a good job of showing this as a turning point prior to this battle. The Americans had consistently lost North Africa. After this battle, they don't always win, but they are no longer afraid of Germans. They're no longer fighting in these groups that are almost like a series of mobs. Work, as a team, they coordinate their fires, they believe in their leader George Patton I. think it is a fantastic job of that. For understandable reasons, it doesn't talk about the. Later. Phases of the battle at doesn't talk at all about the fact that the later phases of the battle were largely inconclusive. The Americans try to counterattack. They're not able to defeat the Germans. And it's frustrating for patent and the Americans, they don't show that. But as a Hollywood depiction of why this battle was important and how patent motivated his troops, organized his troops and was essential for kind of turning the tide north. Africa I. Think it does a very good job of that. You mentioned the Americans being afraid, and during that battle won t think stood out to me was the idea that the Germans had superior technology when it came to their tanks, got the idea that the German tanks can take hits and keep going and the American tanks take a hit and they explode when the gas ignited. Is it true that the Germans technologically tanks? We're more advanced than the American tanks yes, for almost the entire war. The Germans have better tanks than the British and Americans. How. Much that matters? You know there are people that spend their entire life getting into the minutia of tanks and models in sub models and penetrating rates of different types of weapons at different types arranges. The general thing to know is the Germans had fewer tanks, but they were generally better. The Americans made a bet that we could out produce the Germans and that it didn't matter if their tanks for better, we would have more tanks more gas. The ability to resupply them quickly, and we would just rather than solving problems with tanks. We would overwhelm problems with tanks, this frustrated patent and others, but it was the broader American strategy back to the point of being afraid of that point I think is a hundred percent natural. Most of the people in the American army in the first stages of the war had zero combat experience, they were soldiers that had been. Drafted in the late nineteen thirties or early nineteen forties, they had by and large, very minimal combat experience, very minimal training, and there were going up against German forces that some of them had been fighting for four years by this point. So. It's only natural to be scared and patent in both in the movie and in real life understood this acknowledged this and compensated for with leadership and discipline, and eventually got the American soldiers to believe in themselves to believe their leaders and turn Bataille that way. In the movie, we get the sense of there's this rivalry starting to form between Patton and Montgomerie a British general. And we get this sense when patent start to explain his plan to invade Sicily according to the movie patent plan is that help take Palermo on the northwestern side of the island and then moved to east meanwhile, Montgomery is going to land on the southeastern side of the island near Syracuse and move north eventually. Both Montgomery and patent will meet on the northeastern side of the island as patent takes away the German escape route near. Messina. Course, movie. Montgomery doesn't like this plant. He proposes something else to journal. Walter. Smith while they're in the bathroom and Geria-. Instead, he suggests that they would divide the allied forces making it easier to get chopped up by the German forces. So Montgomery suggests instead of dividing up that he would like to Syracuse says plan makers with North to Messina and patent, Woodland Gaya, which is on the southeastern side and protect Montgomery's flank as they make their way to Messina not being completely separate. Like was patents. Plan. Ultimately, Eisenhower decides to go with Montgomery's plan something that patent. And, his is his troops, get the burden. Well, Montgomery gets the glory. Was it true that patents plan to invade? Sicily. was overturned for Montgomery's plan like we see in the movie and that kind of start. This sort of rivalry that we start to see forming in the movie, it's absolutely true even down to the unusual detail about General Smith being cornered by General Montgomery in a bathroom, Algieria? Him Foggy to mirror and drawing a sketch map on a bathroom mirror. Absolutely. True. The rivalry between the British in Americans actually went back before the decision to invade. Sicily. Even in the early phases of the war in North Africa, the British and the Americans, even though they realize they needed each other had different ideas about. Which side should take priority? What the conduct of the war would look like the American saw the British is patronizing the British saw the Americans as not knowing how to fight the Germans and overly eager and wasteful of lives. I think the movie for understandable reasons sets up this dichotomy between patent and Montgomery. When in fact, it was very much an American versus British thing and Patna Montgomery were just two of the most outspoken members of this. The American British coalition as you know, would fight for the remainder of the war. The plan that Hatton and Americans favored was more aggressive. It would divide the allied forces with the Americans landing in the northwest and British landing in the southeast, and then pushing along different of attack to trap the German. Forces and move more rapidly British were more conservative. They wanted their flank protected and didn't really care if this put the Americans in a subordinate role. Ultimately, Eisenhower chooses the British plan. For reasons that the suggested he understands that he needed the British help. He stood that he was not just an American but an ally to use the turn of phrase, the movie likes and. Ultimately could have one quicker if they'd done the American plan possibly, but the importance of keeping the allied coalition Together, absolutely important and I. Think one of the things historians don't give. Eisenhower. Enough credit for is he was instrumental in keeping the. Allied forces together despite their differences. Even if he wasn't the best battlefield tactician operational planner, he kept the coalition together and that was essential. So this is just one more example of Eisenhower making a decision that while not popular with all the Americans and particularly patent actually probably made the right decision in the broader scheme of things. I want to ask about this because in the movie. Even though Eisenhower makes the decision to go with Montgomery's plan, patent kind ends up going against that order. Anyway, he ends up going to take Palermo. Anyway while Montgomery's bogged down with heavy fighting on the eastern side of the island. So he almost ends up at least the way. The movie depicts it. Going through with his original idea. Anyway, even though there was at one point in the movie where he received a very specific order to stop. Did that happen? That did. So. What happened in the movie? Very briefly, touches on this patent was ordered to give up one of the highways that had been originally tasked to the American forces for their drive north. Give that growed the access to that road up to Montgomery so that he could bring troops and supplies to his front line more quickly. In effect gave the Americans nothing to do and Patna acted opportunistically on this, he went to the British commander General. Alexander says, can I push west a little bit does this kind of a vague enough way to where he gets approval to do? So he doesn't do the best job of keeping the British in the loop as to how far west he's pushing, and at some points actually does ignore pretty strong orders from the. British. To slow down his movements he was still. Still, frustrated by this because he thought he was still being hadn't thought he was being hemmed in by the British still thought if he'd been able to actually land further north, you would have been able to cut off the retreat of some of the Talian German forces on the island. But yes, the movie does a good job of this and it does it in a way that shows that patent purposely did not want to be constrained by the plan, the plan be damned. Go for the glory. I'M GONNA go to be famous, and it also shows quite correctly. That is created friction within the allied coalition and friction within the American. Chain of command win subordinate commanders like Lucian Truscott and Omar Bradley actually saw a patent as. Potentially destroying the British American coalition, but also gambling with the lives of his troops in order to make it bigger on the map than Montgomery. We see that leads right into the next question because that's exactly the sense that I got well as watching the movie. You know after Patten Takes Palermo. Then he's the one that's bogged down tables. Turn a little bit. He's bogged down with German divisions while Montgomery then manages to make his way out of the tough fighting. He was involved in earlier, and now Montgomery wants to beat patent to Messina. Meanwhile, patent insists on pushing his own men through the heavy fighting in the sense that I got was, he's really doing this. Just. Because he wants to beat Montgomery to Messina, he wants the glory of doing that. How did the movie do show this back and forth between patent and Montgomery is they're trying to beat each other to Messina. The movie does a fantastic job of showing how much patent wanted to be famous and how he was willing to take extraordinary and I would say unnecessary risks with the lives of his people to do. So with the movie actually gets wrong. Though is the British. Didn't see themselves in a race at all. Most of the Americans did not see themselves in a race at all the one person that really saw themselves in a race was George Patton himself. He put this enormous pressure on himself. He talked very big to his subordinate commanders. He wrote to his wife and his friends about this horse race it which the honor of the American army is at stake. He created a race out of nothing and it to the extent of the movie gets this wrong as it creates this kind of dynamic foil, this dynamic tension between Montgomery and patent both of whom are racing. When in fact, it was mostly patent. Who created this race who got swept up in this segment of his own imagination? That's a great point because when I watched the movie I think Montgomery is essentially a British version of patent and they're both in it for the glory they're racing against each other was exactly what I got. But it sounds like it was not necessarily the case. One of the things that the movie gets wrong about this is montgomery was plotting and slow. But for a reason, the British public was very very casualty averse after the disastrous experiencing World War One they. They could not and would not accept high numbers of casualties, Montgomery realized that he was cautious and careful, and was often described as a master of planning or the master of the battlefield. He wouldn't commit his troops until he knew that he would have a very, very high probability of success. This different than patent patent was willing to take risk. Patton was willing to accept combat and military operations are often fluid and embrace that in a way that Montgomery wasn't. So. The movie kind of tries to create this their post to same. They're both incredibly arrogant. They were both incredibly pompous. They both argued with each other and argued with everybody around them. They're both kind of disagreeable in that way. But in terms of actual style of generalship, they're very, very different and. The movie I think for understandable reasons makes this choice to create a direct counterpart to patent British patent if you will where that really kind of isn't the case. Interesting. A speaking of the movie. There's a scene where we see general patent visiting a hospital tent and he's talking to each of the soldiers who have been shot or injured for their countries. Handing out Purple Hearts then patent come across a man who doesn't seem to have any physical injuries when patent asks what's wrong with them, the man replies something to the effect of I. Guess, I, just can't take it sir. The movie doesn't say this at all. But as I was watching this, I got the impression. He probably had PTSD although that term wasn't coined until the Vietnam War but patent gets angry and he calls the man, a coward slaps the soldier with his gloves and the soldier starts breaking down crying. He orders removed the hospital. He can't be in the same hospital as these other men who are injured and orders him sent back to the front. We'll talk about the fallout that the movie shows about this event and a little bit. But did that actually happen the way that we see it in the movie? Pretty close what the movie gets wrong. However, as it happened twice, it happened on August third and then a week later on August tenth nineteen forty-three, both incidences were very similar comes to a hospital. He's decorating wounded troops personally because he took this as a lesson from Napoleon, you gotTA decorate wounded troops to keep morale up. He sees these soldiers with no apparent injuries that we now know suffering from psychological casualties. PTSD battle fatigue is a called it during the time. He was very upset at both of these soldiers in both cases he yelled at them and when yelling did not motivate them slapped them. Movie does a pretty good job. What it gets wrong as it simplifies to very similar instances a week apart and make some one 'cause. Why do you need to show the same scene twice to make the point that patent lost his temper pat and got trouble in there subsequent fallout for this? One real quick point on this. Panel, himself actually was desperately afraid of being thought of as a coward, and if you read his diary entries letters to his trusted friends and his wife, he frequently talked about how difficult it was to motivate himself to go up to the front lines and how desperately afraid he was a being hurt. Now, what we know about him is he was able to overcome this fear and play this role of a leader play this role of somebody who was always up at the front play. This role somebody that wasn't scared. But interestingly enough, he was very very afraid to put himself at risk and he often worried privately that he was a coward himself. So. I'm not. I'm not a psychologist. I don't mean to get to Freudian here, but there's some interesting kind of stuff at play here. He was very, very tired. He had put an enormous amount of pressure on himself with this race to Messina that he created. He was actually very afraid of this and when he saw somebody that was similarly afraid and not helping him push forward. You know there's there's this interesting kind of dynamic of perhaps he was experiencing psychological trauma as well. Perhaps, he was projecting his own feelings of insecurity in and whatnot on his soldiers. Private call. One of the soldiers that he slapped actually after the fact forgave patent on the theory that patent himself was suffering from battle fatigue when he slapped tap. Yeah. That's not anything that I would have gotten from the movie at all you. You never get the sense that he's afraid of going to the frontlines. The sense I got was he relished that. The exact opposite of that, but it sounds like that may have been very different. The closest movie comes to it is very early on in the movie when he's talking with Bradley about the American failures. Casarin, he talks about well I understand it think he said, every Fox Hound has gun shy the first time out I can remember the first time I was in combat. The idea of a bullet heading for my nose. You know. But other than that yet doesn't it portrays him as someone who is invincible or thought of himself as being invincible trip is actually much more interesting. He was scared all the time, but he was able to overcome it and work through it and kind of play this role of a fearless general. Speaking of the journey to Messina Way to movie shows this is that Well, in the movie we've we see journal Montgomery getting their first. The British troops arrive. There's bagpipes playing. He's. Taking all adoration and then all of a sudden stops and the camera cuts to patent. He's already there. The American tanks are already arranged in the plaza along with all the American soldiers there sitting there waiting for the British. Did. Patent. End Up, beating Montgomery to Messina. Patent Montgomery to Messina. But that wonderful seen about where he does that wonderful flip Oh. The British one. Oh, goodness. There in the band strikes up. You know March tune and they have that moment in the square. That's all Hollywood. It's a great scene kind of too bad. It didn't happen. But yes, the Americans one, no. That scene did not happen anything closely resembling. Portrayed. In the film. But that makes sense though because in the movie they do push the idea that Montgomery was also racing and so if he wasn't racing than, okay whatever you know when when video. Exactly. After arriving in Messina Patent gets a letter from General Oswal, and this is about the soldier. The patent slapped that we talked about earlier, Eisenhower reprimands patent for the incident telling him that he's going to have to apologize not just to the soldier that he slapped. But to all the doctors nurses, the soldiers who are in the hospital at the time also to the entire seventh army as a whole, and we get the sense of moving pans. Very proud guy. So that's just Very, very humbling. In the movie he does apologize it's more him explaining why he did what he did then a flat out apology, but I guess it's as close to an apology as you would get from someone is proud. Patent seems to be in the movie. The soon after this, we get the word that patent has been relieved of his command of the seventh army. The movie briefly suggests that is perhaps it's so he might be given command of American forces landing in Europe for operation overlord, but that's quickly shot down. When we see Sergeant George Meeks telling patent at the job has been given to General Bradley. Makes also has a line of dialogue saying that this was all due to quote unquote one measly little, slap. So how did the movie do showing the fallout from patents incident hitting the soldier? Great Question. The apologies that patent gave were very hard for him to do, and we're very similarly worded in the defensive. I'm an apologized, but not really apologize kind of way that he does in the movie including the line that he used there I wanted to see show you if I was his biggest son of a bitches. You thought I, would you actually return to using that type of language multiple? Multiple Times during his career to kind of excuse jerky bad behavior. You know, Oh, everybody thinks I'm a son of a bitch. I'm GONNA show you. So it gets that part right the timeline in the fallout. It doesn't quite get right. So in fact, the story did not become a national story until late November of nineteen forty three when an American journalist Drew Pearson broke the story on his radio. program. General. Eisenhower actually understood that this could be a potentially explosive story and asked the local press that was following the American army in Sicily to suppress the story, and they did I got out through back channels where people were talking about the incident and Drew Pearson was very much. What we today call a shock jock kind of journalists back. Then he broke the story specifically to cause controversy. Did this cost patent, his shot at commanding the American invasion of Normandy probably not. Eisenhower was a fantastic manager of talent. He was always able to kind of pick the right person for the right job and I think he realized that patent was not the right person to pick for this job. There's also evidence that if you look at Eisenhower's diaries, and if you look at Eisenhower's memoirs after the war, he said that he had already chosen Bradley as early as September of nineteen forty-three. Months before these patents, slapping stories broke. I think our Eisenhower made a really good decision here. Bradley was an organizer. Bradley was a go along to get along type leader, Bradley with somebody who could work better with the British could work better with United, States Navy could manage the massive political and logistical challenges that patent probably couldn't have done as well on an by not tasking patent with that and keeping him as a army level commander our group. Group. Level Commander, he was able to then use patents talents where they were best used, which is kind of operational battlefield commander, not as a planner not as a politician. So I think Eisenhower made a fantastic choice and the evidence would suggest he made that choice before the slap incidences were published and that this despite the how movie would suggest it didn't actually do much or anything to change that decision. That's interesting. Yeah. That's very different because again, I while watching the movie got the sense that. It was directly because of that the while the one slapping incident in the movie, but you know. Directly because of that that he was not given. A bigger command or a bigger role. It's also one of those things I mean the tyranny of high expectations. Patent certainly wanted the top command for the invasion of Europe. He was extremely disappointed. He didn't get it, but he still got to command Third Army, which is arguably it's. It's one layer down right on the American side. It's Eisenhower, commands all of the Allied Expeditionary Force, the top American commanders, Bradley and patents on that very next, Ron. So anybody other than George, Patton type person would have been really really impressed, really satisfied with that awesome opportunity that was presented for patent however had other ideas, but you humbling, but probably the right decision all the way around. Most speaking of the invasion of Europe. We see what happens to patent their. After being relieved of command, the movie shows him being ordered to Malta, and from there he goes Cairo. Eventually, we see him in London and then it flips to the German side and the Germans interestingly don't believe the report that patent has been reprimanded over slapping soldier. They don't believe that the allies will sacrifice what they call the best commander for something. So trivial in their words. So they determined that if Patten is in, Cairo, he must be there to confer with the Greek and Yugoslav governments that are in exile there, and there must be planning an attack from Egypt. Meanwhile, the Allies in the movie decide that they're going to let it out that patent is there undercover and he's planning to invade pas-de-calais in France. They're building this fictitious twelve divisions around patent and try to convince the Germans that he's going to lead an attack. As a diversionary tactic so that the idea to put forward is that they're going to pin down the German Fifteenth Army there so that they can't be used at Normandy, where, of course, we know from history the real invasion was. So. How did the movie do showing? What happened patent after he was relieved of command there and was he used as a diversion for the allies when they invaded? Europe? Patent was used as a diversion. He did travel to places like Cairo. And Malta, they did build a fictitious army around him. They did simulate radio traffic they put. Inflatable. Tanks and invasion craft. One thing the movie doesn't show is they actually had German spies in the United Kingdom that they had identified and flipped and Moore using to pass information that patent was going to invade at the pas-de-calais. All of that is true and the German fifteenth. Army was pinned down around Calais for about a month after the allies actually invaded Normandy and one of the interesting. What if the war is? Well, what if determines would have realized that the main allied effort was at Normandy, either moved their forces there before the invasion or responded quickly as a counterattack after, could they have thrown the Americans back in the? We'll never know. Didn't. The second part of that question I. Did it happen like in the movie? Yeah. More or less I mean if anything the movie doesn't say enough but understand why. How important was that, and how important was patents effort in that kind of the follow on questions? It is very, very important that the Germans were confused that they did not have their forces properly arranged to respond to an American. Invasion, very, very important there. How important was Patton in making that happen I don't think very important. What I think is much more important. Was the fact that the Nazi military was fundamentally dysfunctional. It was run by Adolf Hitler who had a whole bunch of harebrained ideas and who purposely set general officers within his own chain of command against each other made them compete for loyalty made them compete for fame? Made them compete for Germany's increasingly limited resources of men and materiel? Said, there is a completely dysfunctional German chain of command that went all the way to the top and the dysfunction and weirdness of Adolf Hitler the German Intelligence Service. The OP, there was also deeply flawed not least of which what already mentioned. Most of their actually all of their agents in the United Kingdom had actually been either captured, and the were being used to pass false information off or captured, and actually just imprisoned, and they're kind of scopes went dark on that. The other thing is the Germans by this point in the war did not have good aerial reconnaissance of the United Kingdom, the few flights they. Could easily be spoofed by things like dummy invasion barges, dummy tanks, and stuff like that. So how important was patent per se? In this? He was part of it didn't hurt. The Germans were tracking his movements. Would this have worked without patent as a diversion, probably just Moro into the deep dysfunction within the German high command, the failures of German intelligence, and so forth. The Germans also did the classic mistake of they really thought the logical place to attack was Kelly. It was the narrowest part of the channel. The allies had previously only invaded at or near major ports, diop, the invasion of north African invasions in Sicily. So they thought while the this fits a pattern. This is what we would do. This is the easiest to plan and it just so happened that the allied. Efforts for counterintelligence in deception. Sit right into that as well, and they believed what made logical sense. They could have probably done this just as easily without hat. Speaking of the German side, the way the movie portrays things, of course, movies called patent. So. They. Make It seem like they call him the the best commander that the allies have, what was the German perception of him at that time. Did they believe that patent was one of the allies? Best commanders in maybe that could have been one of the reasons why they tell the diversion. At that point in the war. Patent was definitely on the German radar screen in terms of a dangerous commander commander to pay attention to his movements to claim that he was in the German is by the summer of nineteen, forty three or the early spring of Nineteen. Forty four is clearly the top American commander. I think at some creative license on behalf of the movie. Understandably like you said, they call the movie patent. But. I. Don't think by that point, the war, the Germans thought, he was the top. American commander, and for understandable reasons, he only really faced the Germans for a couple of weeks in north, Africa, and about a month and Sicily whereas they'd actually had much more experience fighting other allied commanders particularly if you count the Russian front. I think their interests, their efforts were very widely spread and to save it Patton was their number one target. Number, one kind of person on the radar screen is creative license. In my mind after watching the movie, i. get the sense we talked about this earlier, the competition between Montgomery and patent. But then there's a third character in there that we get a lot of competition from and that's Rommel on the German side, and so I get the sense of okay. It's Patton. In Montgomery, against Rahman in movie not only does do we see patent actually studying Rommel strategies reading his book, but then we also see that there's a point where Patton and. And Montgomery Face Rama in Europe. Again, a resurgence of three leaders to on the allied side, Patent Montgomery facing off against Rommel. In this. These huge clashes that the movie seems to imply not really interesting enough the Germans themselves did not think of Rommel as one of their top commanders. His fame was very much a product of the German press and the allied press the inside politics of the German army. They actually didn't see Rommel is a particularly important or famous. Guy Rommel. To get his command because he ingratiated himself to Hitler, he was the commander of Hitler's bodyguard in the late nineteen thirties and got a command of this. Rommel. Also becomes very famous during the war because the British press are playing up. Our Best General Montgomery is fighting the Germans general. Rommel determines would have never considered Rommel their best job. So there's a lot of creative license both in history, but also in the movie about our best I, their best. We sent our best British sent their best Germans sent their best to the western to the eastern front to fight the Russians. Patent actually, never fought directly against Rommel for various reasons, Montgomery did multiple times and again this fed into the creation of this duel between generals I in the desert of North Africa, and then in France after the invasion. The other interesting thing about Rommel and his. Role. In history in his role in the press tickly after. World. War Two is Rommel was tinge intially related to the Stauffenberg bomb plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler and actually was forced to take poison when his role became exposed because the Germans didn't want admit. That this general, they had built up in their press was disloyal to Hitler. So they gave him the opportunity to take poison the British, and even some American historians after the war. Recast Rommel as the good. Nazi. When in fact, he wasn't Nazi. He wasn't particularly good. He only flipped at the very last moment, oppose Hitler, but oppose him because he didn't think he was making sound military decisions as much as opposed him because he actually disagreed with the previous eleven, years of the Nazi party rule and stuff like that. So the movie make some many of the same errors that casual historians make our best verse. third-best Rama was the good Nazi. Rommel is this kind of. Figure and stuff like that, and that patent fought him. When in fact he did. But heading back to the movie after the invasion of Europe patent seems to have learned his lesson. He promises to keep his mouth shut while he's meeting. With General Bradley in France Bradley tells. Patent. About something called, Operation Cobra they reinstate patent and he's given command of the third. Army for the operation. The movie doesn't really give any sort of timing here. Other than you. We talked about the invasion of Europe, and so we know it's after d day. But how did the movie do showing pattern getting command of the Third Army for something called Operation Cobra? You're exactly right. The movie doesn't really show a timeline. It shows that it's after the invasion. It shows quite correctly that the allied push inland had been bogged down and talks about Operation Cobra as a plan breakout from the Normandy operational area. It gets that mostly right. What it doesn't get right is it suggests that patent was still on probation and had not been incorporated into the American plan going back to September nineteen forty-three. It makes it seem like if they if patent Bradley had never met at the field headquarters and had this conversation in patent had promised to be nice and hadn't Egged for job that he wouldn't have gotten a job. That meeting never really took place and Patton was already picked the better part of a year before this to actually command third. Army so that part of the movie is a wonderful scene didn't happen. What, also the movie glosses over. But if you know what to look for, you can tease out some interesting stuff on this is that Pan was actually very active in the? Planning process. He opposed the American invasion in Normandy because he had traveled to that exact region in nineteen, twelve and nineteen thirteen on a series of honeymoons with his wife, and so we knew that while you might avoid attacking the the end of the teeth of the German defences. It was not a good area geographically because of the hedgerows, these areas farmers had pushed hundreds of years worth of tailings off of their fields to edges basically made ready made trenches for the Germans. Germans to defend from. He knew about this and it actually opposed the invasion of that point because of that, he takes command of Third Army. But even before Third Army is activated and he takes an active command, there was very much part of the planning process for Cobra and other operations in the Normandy region. My favorite story on this is I'd already mentioned he had gone to that region in Nineteen, twelve and nineteen thirteen as part of his honeymoons with his wife. While he was there on his own initiative had created a series of maps about the road network and had actually planned and had predicted to his wife that he would fight a decisive battle. They're kind of a weird talk on your honeymoon. But you know we're I. Don't know what you did on your honeymoon I didn't plan a march across Europe. What he actually created these intelligence reports in nineteen thirteen, they got filed in the archives and forgot. In the days before satellites in the days before. Gio. Intelligence, advances, we have now Dallas. Didn't actually have good maps of the region. So they were actually planning the breakout from Normandy using commercially available Michelin Auto Club maps. They weren't detailed enough and specifically, they didn't have good Intel about the road network and its ability to absorb water roads could get really muddy. That part of France rains quite a bit 'cause. It gets moisture off the English Channel. What actually did before even took active command of Third Army is actually helped plan. How do we use roads and what he did is sent back said I filed this report in nineteen thirteen after honeymoon, get it out because it's the best survey we have of the local road network. That goes perfectly back to what you were talking about earlier whereas he eats sleeps and breathes battles and war. Just makes perfect sense that he would do that on a tiny one. That is a great story. And it's also really interesting because he also on on what he considered his honeymoon trips there in nineteen twelve, nineteen, thirteen, he went around to local city archives and looked up odd data about the local kind of military history of the region, and he also on his honeymoons interviewed French veterans from the Franco. Prussian. War while they were still alive that it fought nine, hundred, seventy, eight, seventy, one, his wife spoke very fluent French. He's okay. French. At that time and they went around again on their honeymoon in their spare time interviewing Franco Prussian war veterans, and learning how to fight the germs on your honeymoon. I couldn't make it up and if I did not believe me but it's one hundred percent true at least she knows what she's getting into. Right? Well heading back to the movie, it's wintertime now and the allies are making their way across. Europe, and pushing the Germans back. It's here. The patent predicts the unthinkable. He says. Absolutely no reason for us to assume the Germans are mounting major offensive. The weather's awful supplies are low German army hasn't mounted an attack sense. Frederick the great, and that is exactly why patent thanks they're going to do it. Of course, we know from history, the Germans mounted the dental counter offensive, the battle of the bulge in December of nineteen, forty four. So as the movie would have believe it patents starts to prepare his men for a German attack. And is one of the first to be able to mobilize against the German attack because of his knowledge of history. Again, it's really emphasize. In the movie. So his men had to pull out of a winter battle, move some hundred miles with no rest. No sleep. No hot food. Go right back into a major attack. Then according to the movie. It was patents Third Army along with the Fourth Armored Division who were the ones to relieve the hundred and first airborne defending best on. How much of that? Really happened. So, movie has to compress a massive campaign, the battle of the bulge into you know ten minutes or so screen time overall. It does a pretty good job on it. It hits on the fact that Patton was thinking about history when he was understanding the German potential to attack, it makes a good point of talking about the difficulty of patent responding. He was actively engaged attacking in one direction. He pulls them out of the line. Line. He pivots them ninety degrees, moves them one hundred miles through awful weather with no sleep. No hot food and get some right back into the attack to relieve best on the day Christmas and I think it does a fantastic job of also highlighting his personal upfront leadership, his willingness to take chances all of that I. Think it is a very good job on that despite having to make some editorial decisions to simplify it. One thing it doesn't do is there was actually just some fantastic intel work that patent matched up with his understanding of history that really helped him with that. It had some really great planning from his staff, the movie briefly talks about how he tasks his staff to plan three different responses to a hypothetical German attack. Actually true movie shows that, but doesn't really explain it. It's actually kind of a confusing part of the movie if you don't know what you're looking at, but overall I think the movie does a really good job on that one thing. I, have about the battle of the bulge that works may ever since I found out, was the wonderful wonderful seen about the prayer for good weather. So, right. Until I found out that this was wrong. It was my favorite scene in the movie. Right. I'm going to get a chaplain in here. I'm going to make them pray for the snow to stop and by God, the snow stops the American army attacks, the Germans lose and God bless America. Right? It's such a wonderful scene. The didn't really happen like that. Patton did get a chaplain to pray for better weather not at the battle of the bulge and it wasn't for snow. So a couple of weeks prior to the battle of the bulge, there had been extremely rainy weather that had made the roads very muddy and impassable Patton. got a chaplain to pray for the rain to stop the rain did apparently stop. But it was rain not snow, and it wasn't as this turning point on the the battle of the Bulge is the movie would suggest. Like I, said, that was my favorite scene in the movie. Right? In the point I found, it was creative license in the timeframe is several weeks off. But had mentioned. That is the one part of the battle of the Bulge Narrative in the movie that really doesn't fit and is very much played up to fit to the store was patent a very religious man and me, it sounds like the mere fact that he would have called somebody in for that. makes him more on the religious side patent was very religious despite the fact that he had a famously foul mouth despite the fact he often lost his temper despite the fact he had some sexual escapades. Including one with his cousin, you despite having a deeply flawed deeply imperfect life. He was also very, very religious. One of the things that I find. So interesting about Patton in the movie actually talks about this. The German Intel officer that's talked about patent will talk about how. Curse. Like a soldier than prey on his knees like a choirboy or something like that. It's just one more of these contradictions and the movie does an interesting job when the chaplain that he does call in at the wrong time about snow at wrong battle, the chaplain says, it'll take pretty thick rug praying for good weather to kill our fellow man and Patton. Response. I. Don't I don't care if it takes a flying carpet, that's the kind of person. He was he he? Saw The contradiction and embraced it I'm I'm a lover of war and a lover of God. The same time he absolutely did call in chaplains for all of things because he thought they were good for morale. He thought they were good to prevent desertion and all these things, and he also thought they were good for stopping in this case rain, not snow, but adverse weather that it affected the American army? That's very interesting. Yeah. I'll. I'll what you mentioned there about contrast because that's the exact same thing, but you were talking about earlier where he's has this fear of going to the front and of actually being harmed himself, which again is a big contrast to. What he actually did he. Always being in combat. Absolutely. The movie does such a fantastic job of contrast on a whole bunch of things vulgar yet religious. Modern yet ancient. Quiet and wowed. You know fearful and brave at the same time. It purposely plays up this kind of. person who doesn't fit person that even among his own character has deep tension within it I, think the movie. Hits on that that definitely part of his character. Definitely part of what made him tick is this contrast. The movie does a fantastic job of playing this up the speaking of movie. At the very end, we see the German headquarters men are destroying all documents. One of them looks at a photo of patent, and he predicts that patent will be destroyed by the absence of war. We find out from some reporters interviewing patent, the President Roosevelt Promise Patent. Command. In the Pacific. But since Roosevelt died patent doesn't think he's GonNa, get it because it ends up going to MacArthur. And probably doesn't help that patent tells them reporters that he agrees with the idea that most Nazis joined the party in the same way, Republicans and Democrats joined their party, the United States, not a comparison that a lot of people are gonNA like. And then in the movie when General Smith calls him about it patent goes onto a tirade about if it's left to him, he'll have us at war with the Russians and ten days and look like it's their fault. He doesn't think the Americans should be disarming. The German. That said, we should use them to help fight the Russians. And, then before long we see general patent saying goodbye to his men as they've taken the third army away from him. So I'm guessing that all those things that he said and those ideas again, patents mouth getting him into trouble. So how did the movie do showing the end of patents military career? It does a pretty good job given the amount of time at dedicates to it. It's odd percent true that Hatton had a very difficult time adapting to the post World War. Two world. Quickly saw the Soviet Union as the enemy. He opposed demobilization of the American army, keep believed that history repeating itself. Just as we've kind of retreated from the world stage after World War One, he saw this happening again, he thought that Americans and movie briefly mentioned that American planners were putting too much faith in the both goodwill of the Soviets, but also the transformative power of atomic bombs and modern weaponry to make war impossible. He definitely believe this. He definitely said things including the. About how the average Nazi was like a Democrat or Republican, he definitely advocated for rearming the Germans. Far. Before it became politically acceptable to advocate for reconstruction of Germany and things like that. It, doesn't very good job of showing in just a couple of minutes of movie time something that actually played out over the better part of nine months. Paddock, repeatedly getting himself in trouble with the press thinking that he was doing the right thing and nobody was listening when in fact, he was way out in front of the Anti Russian way out in front of the maybe we should rebuild Europe way out in front of the. Hey. Maybe we're going to have to fight wars even though we do have atomic weapons, it does a really good job of showing that. It shows correctly enough that third army was taken away from. It even has a really interesting detail where he says in the room raise, he's addressing the staff members of the Third Army that the greatest thing to happen to him was commanded Third Army. Goodbye and God bless you direct quote that again, if you don't know what to look for, you'll just miss you'll think hey, nice throwaway line one. One thing it doesn't do is it doesn't talk about the very, very final act of patents career. I think for understandable reasons, it's kind of odd and a lot of people don't care about it rather than just being fired and sent home like the movie suggests he was actually reassigned. He was given command of the US Fifteenth Army and tasked with writing a history of World War Two in Europe. Actually was a job that while he saw it as a demotion and punishment, it was actually a job that was a pretty nice job for him. Hey, go right history, stay out of trouble, remain on active duty, and if there is a dust-up with the Russians will recall you during this period. He does a pretty good job of keeping his mouth shut. He does a fantastic job of managing the so-called reports of the General Board where they write some of the historical lessons learned from world. War. Two and during this period, he writes most of his memoirs which become posthumously published as wars I. Knew it couple years after his death. So. The interesting kind of thing that the movie doesn't give is he starts doing this reclamation project in the last couple months his life when Third Army does get taken away from him. It's an interesting. What if if lived? would. He have been able to revive his reputation? Would he have been able to live long enough to see some of the things he said about the emerging cold? War come true. Would he have lived long enough to serve in the Korean War? Maybe his actually younger than MacArthur who commands in the Korean, war. So it's kind of one of these interesting whatever. But the movie doesn't really show that again for understandable reasons, but I think it's interesting last act. If you will for patent that just doesn't have time to be shown in detail in the movie that make sense I mean again in movie, it's going to have to trim everything down. On, that note if you had directed the movie, what's something that you would have done differently. To really minor things I would have had an onscreen eisenhower character I. Think it's really odd that there's not an onscreen eisenhower character given how many different things are pushed. Oil Eisenhower said this or you're in trouble with Eisenhower just an onscreen character things. I would have tried to figure out one or two more scenes to include with started. George MEEKS his African American personal assistant. The scenes with with sergeant makes I. Think Fantastic. They're fantastic for showing his relationship with a common soldier. In this case, an African American. One I think it. It's fantastic for actually pushing the plot along and explaining things and I think the acting is really good. Good too. I would have done an extra senior to real quick thing about George Meeks, Hatton's family loved George meeks and insisted that after patents death that George makes me one of his pallbearers even though they got a lot of pressure because meeks was African American because he was a enlisted personnel just as sergeant and all the other pallbearers were white and general officers, high ranking officers. They had a lot of pressure to remove him in replacement with somebody more famous. Out of loyalty to him, the patent family insisted that he carry patents body to bear. But yeah, I'd have onscreen Eisenhower character and I would play up the relationship with sergeant makes a little more. Thank you so much for coming on to chat about the movie patent? I, know you have multiple books that you've written about patent. Can you give someone listening an overview of your books and where they can get a copy? Absolutely. So support your local bookstore or Amazon Dot Com. Yeah would love to I. Get rich off my books, but I love to have people highest compliment. They can tell me is read your book and I didn't want to throw it away. So two books I wrote in two thousand, sixteen twenty-first-century century patent strategic insights for the modern era edited a bunch of patents, military writings. So this interviews done a fantastic job of bringing up this point that patent thought about history and used history and wrote about history. So this is I wrote some introductory essays and cobbled them around about eight essays that Patton wrote about military leadership development as an officer, how to win on the battlefield importance of reading and things like that. A second book came out in Twenty Twenty University of Missouri Press is called patent battling with history and it builds out a lot of again a lot of the things we talked about today. Patton was a student of history patent used history to. The battlespace to promote his own career to create this mythos. And talks about how he used history, not only to better himself. But defend his place in it and provides an overview of a bunch of his campaigns. Both of these, if there's a common theme is they have the general outlines of patents biography, but they take this line that he was a thinker and just this strictly George C. Scott Patent movie or the strictly general in Spurs with a riding. Riding Crop and polished boots while true is only part of who patent really was. He really was a study in contrast like you and I discussed he really was somebody who took his place in history and his job as a commanding general, much more seriously than popular movies and popular press. Popular Imagination will think about. Thank you again so much for your time. I've really enjoyed it, Dan? Thanks. This episode of based on a true story was produced by me Dan lab. I'd like to thank firm and Daniel for his time and expertise in helping US separate fact from fiction in the movie patent. Now, if you haven't yet make sure to grab a copy of firms excellent called patent battling with history and don't forget. He's got another one called twenty-first-century, Patton strategic insights for the modern era. Of course if you're driving or unable to do a search for them right now, I'll make sure to add a link to his books in the show notes for this episode, as well as on the shows home on the web based on a true story podcast dot. com. Okay. Now, it's time for the answer to our two truths and a lie game from the beginning of the episode as a refresher. Here are the truth and one life. Number One. Patent spent his honeymoon making a map that helped with the allied breakout of Normandy. Number two patent didn't command over American troops for the invasion of Normandy as punishment for slapping a soldier. Number three patent and Romo never faced each other on either side of a battlefield. Did, you find out which one is ally. Let's start with number. One Patent spent his honeymoon making a map that helped with the allied breakout of Normandy. That is true as firm and explained while Patton was on his honeymoon trips in Nineteen, twelve and nineteen thirteen patent took the time to make maps of the roads decades. Later when the allied forces were planning their breakout from Normandy after the invasion, those maps came in handy because the allies didn't have very good maps about the roads in that area. That brings us to number two patent didn't get command over American troops for the invasion of Normandy as punishment for slapping a soldier. That is. That's the Lai while it is true that patent slap a soldier actually on two separate occasions, not just one like you see in the movie, the film's implication that the aftermath of this, essentially cost him the command of the American forces for D, Day was not necessarily true as firm and pointed out, there's evidence to suggest that Eisenhower had already picked Bradley to command the American troops before the slapping incident came to light. That means number three is also true patent and Rommel never faced each other on either side of a battlefield even though there's a lot of stigma around the idea of Patton versus Rommel or patent, and Montgomery, versus Rommel the truth is that patented Rommel never really faced each other on the battlefield. That just about wraps up our time together today before we go. The last thing I'd like to do on each episode is to share how much time and effort went into creating this episode. 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What The 1918 Flu Pandemic Teaches Us About The Coronavirus Outbreak

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What The 1918 Flu Pandemic Teaches Us About The Coronavirus Outbreak

"From NPR and WB. You are Boston. I'm magnetron Cromartie and this is on point. Let's take a moment to listen to Loretta. Jerus- back in Nineteen eighty-two she lived in Bear Creek Montana and she shared some of her memories of the global flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen with the Montana historical society so many people that flew and young people and the died. You know. What really gets me about Loretta Voice? It's that last momentary pause when she says so many young people and they died. It's as if more than sixty years later. Loretta still couldn't quite believe what she'd witnessed with. The scale and devastation of the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic that disease ended up killing more than fifty million people worldwide more than died in World War. One which was grinding towards. It's gruesome end at home here. In the United States. Young people and children were being cut down by the flu in Philadelphia. Louise pooches was just a child in nineteen eighteen but she remembered watching her neighbors grieve. The working seven eight years old died and they used to just pick you up. That grew up in the seat and patrol year slowed mothers and fathers Karimun. Let let me get a macaroni boxer before macaroni. Any kind of US kids to come in these car. Gooden Bowden this mold and that that twenty pounds of macaroni put into bat. Please please let me put them in the Michael Only box. Let me put him on the box. Don't take them away like that. Louis spoke to historian Charles Hardy of West Chester University in the nineteen eighties. So just imagine that for a moment of mother pleading to put the body of her seven year old in a wooden box. Well here we are again with another global pandemic that could achieve the scale and devastation of the nineteen. Eighteen flu. Pandemic could but it doesn't have to because humanity also learned some very important lessons a century ago and this hour on point. We'll talk about what we learned from the last great global pandemic and whether we are applying those lessons. Now so let's start today with Jack Beatty. He's on points news analyst and he joins US says always from Hanover New Hampshire. Jack is also a profound scholar of the first World War. So Jack It's good to have you as always hello magna. I'm wondering could you just take a moment to set the stage for us? We'll talk about the pandemic in detail in a second. But I'd love to hear from you sort of where was the world geopolitically in nineteen eighteen. Well I can do it. In terms of four events. The Bolshevik revolution the German offensive the allied counteroffensive and the elections of nineteen eighteen. The Bolshevik revolution final really in November nineteen seventeen Resulted in in Russia withdrawing for the from the war. Germany had been fighting a two front war now. Russia was out meaning. The Germany could transfer the scores of divisions that had been on the eastern front to the western front and try once more to break through the allied lines. Try before the Americans could arrive in numbers sufficient to make any German offensive impossible so there was this desperate attempt to break the allied lines that began with the first offensive series of them in March. Nineteen eighteen coincidentally That's the date of in one record. I've seen the first reported case of flu. Influenza found in the army so to to enemies were on the loose and the German offensive. was a desperate battle for the in the British barely. It was against the British belly held on one reason they held on was an inspirational message. They got from their leader. Douglas Haig he wrote there is no course open to us but to fight it out. Every position must be held to the last man. There must be no retirement with our backs to the wall and believing in the justice of our cause. Each one of us must fight onto the end vera. Pretend the nurse. In memorised said that message inspired her as by everybody to To work all the harder well. The Germans exhausted themselves in their offensives. When you go on the offensive you leave your base of supplies. You Force the enemy back on his supplies and at a certain point the cut the battle turns in this really happened in June. When at Bellawood the American Marines counter-attacked attacked and made a very valiant blunting of the German offensive and then from June to November we have the allied counteroffensive the Great Wall winning Movement that finally drove that resulted in the In the in the Germans suing for peace and in there some place September my father ship the USS Mount Vernon was torpedoed in the Bay of Best Gay resulting in the largest loss of life of any naval vessel in the war. My father talked about the dock at Brest with lined with corpses with with with the coffins with flags on them and the captain so overcome that His tears soaked his blouse And then and then and then the the the election of nineteen eighteen which was a off. Year election. Woodrow Wilson. Push very hard his party to win but as a friend David Kennedy Says the very fate seemed arrayed against the President's Party death claimed eight Democratic senators thinning out there already sparse majority and turning the Senate over to the Republicans who defeated the Treaty of reside the next year and the League of Nations and in one famous phrase broke the heart of the world so that election of of nineteen November election was world historic event. Because it meant that the treaty of it would all come to nothing and in fact The people had premonitions of that it turns out that on the day of the Armistice Clemenceau Daughter said to him. Tell Me Papa that you happy he said I cannot say it because I am not. It will all be useless Well and it wasn't all that long until World War. Two came knocking but it's so fascinating. Nineteen eighteen is this year of sort of the of a grinding global cataclysm. That is the first world war coming to this slow and not really ending end right in November of nineteen eighteen and then right on the heels of that almost perfectly overlapped is a public health. Cataclysm all over the world with the so-called Spanish flu so I want to turn now to John Berry. Who is a professor at the Tulane University School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine? He's author of the Great Influenza. The story of the deadliest pandemic history recently wrote about it once again in the New York Times in an op Ed piece. And we have a link to that point. Radio DOT ORG Jon Barry. Welcome to one point. Thanks good to be with you and Jack. So first of all as Jack mentioned it was march of nineteen eighteen when the I believe the first reports of of of a variant flu popped up in the United States army It's called the Spanish flu but do we know where it originated. We don't in my book. I advanced hypothesis that it began in January in Kansas. I thought I had pretty good evidence For that but since the was originally. Buy some time back. And there's been a lot of research since then Their hypotheses Kansas is still barely. Alive is a possibility China Vietnam France or it could be somewhere else got the name because Spain was not at war then sensor express it's Kim got sick so People started writing about it You know censored press they going right anything that had any bad news and became known as Spanish flow interesting so it was Spain's ability to to print what it knew and not have to do it and being mindful of a wartime propaganda that lands it with the name of Spanish flu but again as Jack was saying there were massive troop movements right around of between North America and Europe at the time and it. I feel like that's really important to know because it's not two thousand twenty where it's people flying around the world you know not for military purposes that's helping spread corona virus but it was the movement of troops in nineteen eighteen. It was that sort of the primary one of the primary vectors John. Well it probably accelerated But it would have happened anyway. as far back as sixteen hundreds influenza manage to make it a pandemic from from Europe to Massachusetts and where you guys are located When it took weeks across the ocean You so you don't need airplanes or even railroads To spread and influence but I think the troop movements did accelerated somewhat. Well the in the United States by June of nineteen seventeen. I'm seeing here that I mean. The army had what several dozen large camps the United States. Twenty five to fifty thousand soldiers in each one of these camps and that in a lot of place in a lot of those camps the flu was tearing through the soldiers there. So how did how did the Army I respond well for a disease? Came in waves. The first way was actually quite mild or at least compared to the second way give sense how mild it was in the British Grand Fleet which patrolled the coast of Europe over ten thousand sailors reported. Sick Bay but only four of them died so this and they ended up getting natural. Immune protection when lethal second wave came so it did run through the training camps in the spring The army really didn't do anything in an organized. Fashion medical staffs did communicate with each other from Tampa to camp But there weren't the social distancing Measures imposed which they used later It seemed more. You know the disease hit always killed more soldiers in a war than combat throughout history that one of the goals of the Army Surgeon General. Who is quite a man? Gorgas was to make sure that this would be the first war when that was the case although because of damage it turned out that he sailed by a few thousand this spring wave which hit most of the Arma Kansas. He just mentioned Actually probably benefited those soldiers again. They're they're certainly worked out. There's no question about it But you know. Most of the people ended up getting immune protection from from the wave but then the subsequent waves though as you say. Keep sort of pulsing not just the United States but around the world leading in that to that ultimate number of fifty million death so when we come back we're going to talk about what some measures were taken in key cities That we can draw some lessons from and talk more about how we apply those lessons today. Regarding the corona virus so we are talking about the nineteen eighteen global. Flu Pandemic will have a lot more when we come back. This is on point. WanNa add more positively to your podcast feed checkout kind world stories of extraordinary kindness and compassion. That's kind world. Subscribe now on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen this point I magnin Chakrabarti. We are talking this hour about lessons that we should be learning from the nineteen eighteen global flu pandemic and I'm joined today by John Berry. He is a professor at Tulane. University's School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine and author of the Great Influenza. The story of the deadliest pandemic in History Jack Beatty also joins us. He's on points. News analysts and just consider this for a moment by October of nineteen eighteen according to the CDC itself The flu pandemic killed an estimated one hundred ninety five thousand Americans in October of nineteen. Eighteen alone Chicago many other Citizens States began closing movie theaters and movie houses and schools and New York City for example in October of nineteen eighteen reported a forty percent decline in shipyard productivity due to the flu of course that was happening towards the tail end of the First World War. Well let's listen for a moment to and Van Dyke and Elizabeth Stra chesty. They are from Philadelphia were from Philadelphia and they remembered how the flu ravaged their neighborhood. Was turbulent flow. Un Not had any died that they can put him in. Garages of Club Rancho Veterans Three. All my gosh. She had a couple of Garages Snore. You Boys I think that Unaccomplished than the now a game. He sped that but a year in June he used to get the people and take them out and pilot in the garage and people smelt something they know defined Jerry take the people have a plan and put them in the garage and get get somebody else got paid her a slush since only not get run down through the alley so they caught up with him and beloved people used to die those oral histories courtesy of Historian. Charles Hardy and West Chester University. John this is one of the great lessons right that we must all draw from what happened in the night in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred nineteen flu pandemic that. That's the various responses in the United States between different cities. Can you tell us what Philadelphia did or didn't do that other places Ted well because we were at war The National Public Health leaders basically lied to the public They said things like this is ordinary influenza by another name or you have nothing to fear proper precautions. They're taking so forth and so on. This was echoed by local leaders and many cities Philadelphia being a prime example So they had a big liberty loan parade scheduled which declined to cancel although all the medical community urge them to in forty eight hours later. I just not like clockwork influence exploded in the city. So three hundred thousand. Three hundred thousand people ought to come to this parade. Something like that. And you know the results where lethal Later they did institute what we call social distancing and closed everything down restaurants stretches services But it was too late because of virus already become widely disseminated in the city And Philadelphia had one of the worst experiences in the in the amick. I think roughly fourteen thousand five hundred people in Philadelphia died One of those lessons Is Not a social distancing but you have to implement that distance these measures early If you don't if you wait until a lot of people are sick and it's widely disseminated liars It's too late and will not have significant packed. But if you do do it early if you get widespread compliance these measures do work. Well Jack let me turn back to you here for a moment because I believe it was last week on the show that you you made this comparison between Philadelphia's belated extremely belated response in one thousand nine hundred eighteen versus saint. Louis yes St Lois Philadelphia waited the interval between their social distancing policies. Was Fourteen days saint. Louis waited two days after its first case was reported Philadelphia waited fourteen and in those in that period. John said they had that parade and his dramatic difference in Saint. Louis which was did social distancing immediately twenty four forty eight hours. The death rate was thirty. One per one hundred thousand people in Philadelphia which waited fourteen days. The death rate was two hundred and fifty seven people per one hundred thousand population. Nearly ten times It what's frightening is to realize the United States today is more like Philadelphia Than Saint Louis. John Would you agree with that? Are WE FOLLOWING PHILADELPHIA? Esque track in two thousand twenty unfortunately We do not have widespread compliance. I'm in New Orleans which is one of the hotspots. Maybe the hottest spot in terms of the rate of acceleration Although we have closed everything down here for the last week Hopefully that will have some impact But we've all seen photographs of the Florida beaches and things like that People need to take it seriously and they need to take seriously early. That's the tough part that if they don't see a lot of people around them sick then they think. Why are we having to do this now? But that is the time that it's effective well also about about What different cities did here? I am seeing that San Francisco. Did it take a different track in terms of how again this is one thousand nine hundred about how it was communicated about the threat of the influenza pandemic to the public and did did make a difference? I think it made a big difference in how. The city functioned Philadelphia Public Health leaders as I said they were basically lying outright To the extent that when they finally closed schools. Dando all public gatherings including church services closed. You know there. There is restaurants bars and they finally did this. One of the newspapers went so far as to say this is not a public health measure. You have no cause for alarm. Obviously you know people. Aren't that stupid What happened in Philadelphia and elsewhere which took place Authorities took this This approach people lost all faith in anything they were being told. They really seem to feel as if they were on their own entirely completely. Isolated in society even began to fray and Philadelphia and elsewhere. There were reports of people starving to death because no one had the courage to bring them. Food San Francisco believed the masks. We're going to work and the mayor. The all the business leaders union leaders Health professionals signed a joint statement. Full page In the newspapers. Huge typeset wear mask and save your life now as it turns ought to mess with do something they did. Not and in fact. San Francisco had a fourth or fifth highest excess mortality in the country. However the city functioned When you know people were still afraid had good reason to fear But as a society it it worked when for example teachers When the schools were closed teachers volunteer does everything from ambulance drivers to telephone operators. They had the sense of community. And that's important. You didn't have people starving to death in San Francisco I think right now here here in New Orleans at least where I am in the French quarter you get that sense of community I still go out. I soci distance but I'll go for a walk and you know see a neighbor whom I've actually never talked to before a few blocks away says. Is there anything I need or even more to the point? My friend and neighbor can't roby's dentist you know. He went to his office. Got All his masks and gloves donated them to a hospital. But even more to the point Dentists can perform a lot of medical procedures in Cayuga bird off Other healthcare workers so he's volunteering at a hospital. Do the things that he's capable of doing certainly not used to dealing with infectious diseases but that kind of community spirit and you know I sense that here in New Orleans. I hope that's the same way elsewhere. Sounds like what you're seeing is the truthfulness and transparency from a leaders at a time like this can hopefully accelerate the kind of community response that we want and need to see to help control pandemic so John Jack. Hang on for just a second. Let's go to a couple of calls here. Let's go to Lucia. Who's calling from? She's New York Lucia. You're on the air I I just wanted to Mentioned in my late grandfather. He was a he. Was it in the army in France during World War. One and he told me how when he came back home after the war The dead soldiers had to be buried at sea and also there would be farmers up here in the North Country You know they lost so many members of their family and they ran out of coffins. They had to take the timbers off their barnes to bury their relatives and And I do have a question I did see a program once about That the so-called Spanish flu really did come from Iowa and it was our troops that took that flew over to Europe. The Jack know anything about this. Well actually think John Barry is the is the man to turn that question to you and he actually had Hansard it a little bit earlier because he was talking about the Kansas theory but Lucia. Thank you for that call. John Did you want to just clarify a little just for saying because seems like Lucille. didn't hear. Your answer may not be Kansas right there. There was atr hypothesis advanced it myself but I've backed away from it because there's been so much scientific research done since I came up with mine. I think it's more likely China But it's still be the as far as the coffins almost every city in the country in fact everyone that I know of Did in fact run out of coffins. they they were actually reusing them. They'd have a funeral. Buries the body take the coffin and reuse in many places? Yeah I mean in the oral history heard earlier from Philadelphia. That's what And Elizabeth. We're talking about about a few caretaker. An undertaker reusing coffins In Philadelphia. Well Lou thank you so much for your call. Let's go to Paul. Who's calling from Story City Iowa Paul? You're on the air when I'm a radio person myself. It's a pleasure to be on the air with you I am. I would've been able to get that off the first well. I'm calling with historical tidbits but if you read Omar Bradley Autobiography. He was part of the class that was called the class. The stars fell on in West Point. Eisenhower and people like that. Who became luminaries in World War Two but at the time of the flu epidemic? He was stuck here in Iowa at Camp Dodge in Des Moines. And of course he thought his career was over because to advance in the army. It's very important to have a combat command. If there's a war on was the lowest part of his life and he spent most of his time writing condolence letters to next of kin because corpses were stacked in boxes right outside the mess hall. So that's just a little tidbit. I threw in there since you're talking about nineteen eighteen. Well Paul thank you so much for that that tidbit and for gracing the airwaves with your dulcet. Tones WANTS TO GET INVOLVED. Achey so much Jack. Omar Bradley Omar Bradley. Who was the number two man to Eisenhower in World War Two? And who is known as the the soldiers general he was he was a warm and genial man. I I remember a friend of mine told me. She was a little girl in New York City in the nineteen fifties and it was in a restaurant and Omar and Mrs Bradley came down and sat down. No one said anything. They had their meal and they got up and when they got up to leave every man woman and child in the restaurant stood up and applauded. Wow Well Jon Barry. Let's turn back if we can to Sort of what was happening between different cities and the federal government in Nineteen eight thousand nine hundred nineteen. Because I'm mindful what you said earlier that there were multiple waves right above of influenza over the course of a year And what was? What was the federal government doing at this time? I'm seeing here. There's the President Wilson. Maybe didn't even release a public statement at all about influence. Nothing he never released any statement about INTWAZA whatsoever The federal government did next to nothing. it was of course we had a different society then but everything was up to local leadership And that's one reason why we got such buried response is a lot of it is also just random luck Some places the virus seem more lethal and others the earlier cities that were hit. Were hit much harder And the virus seem to attenuate a little bit Over time so if you got hit later you you're in better shape and if you got sick in the same city later in the epidemic You were in better shape and it wasn't because medical care improved. Medical care deteriorated. I there was nothing they could do. Anyway except supportive care and second you know by later. In the outbreak particular and Saint City Medical care was totally exhausted and overwhelmed and so the virus was the chief determine Of what was going on. I mean could we say for a moment that In nineteen eighteen if there were any excuse for the lack of federal response it was that there was a world war? The Great War was going on. I mean is that. Is that even a legitimate line of thinking? Well Wilson had an unbelievable single focus. Everything he's you know strange character War was everything to him. Even to the extent when Medical staff advised that he stopped shipping troops to Europe during the pandemic. Because you know ships were almost floating coffins. He said that no that was you know. Part of war die in the front line or you guys on the ship. Then the medical staff said well at least about shipping troops from camps where the disease had already passed through the camp because they did have likely some immunity and and and in fact it wouldn't even that wouldn't change the schedule order the general staff to change the schedule which have done that on. Its own but they didn't And then of course Wilson did get the disease during the peace conference And one of the unusual complications of this disease was had mental impacts and. I hear the music play definitely affected. Wilson. May maybe if we have time we talk about that. I would love to talk about. Yes I would because the idea that the president of the United States was delirious with flu as the world was trying to negotiate a peace at the end of world. War One is a story. We WanNa hear. So Jon Barry and Jack Beatty standby we are talking about lessons learned from Nineteen Eighteen. Global flu pandemic. We'll be right back. This is on point need to escape the news for a moment checkout endless thread a podcast from wb you are and read it from mysteries to histories two stories that will remind you of our shared humanity. Subscribe to endless thread on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen. This is on point. Meghna Chakrabarti Roberta. We are talking about lessons. Learned from the nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen global flu pandemic and John Berry before the break. You were telling us how President Woodrow Wilson. He might have. He had the flu when he was trying to. Negotiate the peace treaty for the end of world. War One quite definitely It was rampant in Paris at the time. Yeah Two hundred. Three hundred and four degree temperature. Violent coughing and I started to say one of the unusual complications of influence a was a mental disorder. Even to the extent that the people all of us acts wrote about in the awakening Very strong hypothesis. That a had suffered from influenza. It was disease called satellite. Us lethargic Which occurred after influence? A few years later and then disappeared sequel to influence a and Wilson got it. He has been standing absolutely firm in the peace conference Prior to getting sick after he got sick people were saying that they had never seen him like that. He was paranoid. He couldn't remember of an hour later. What had been discussed and our before. He was physically weak And and that frame. He went back into a room with you. Know just a handful of other leaders particularly Clemenceau whose nickname was the tiger and was much more forceful and Wilson ended up caving in being basically all the principles that supposedly the US had gone to offer. John Maynard Keynes called them the greatest fraud earth So you know might have caved in regardless You know it's possible. We'll let me just turn to Jack Beatty about this because Jack Quite. It's quite stunning to contemplate to think that perhaps the flu was a factor at least in the far from perfect. The imperfect piece that was achieved diversify. Yes and to think that it it live on in such a poisonous way. Because Wilson the Germans had surrendered rich the armistice on the basis of his fourteen point. Peace Plan which was a fairly generous cl- you know peace and with his giving way giving way giving away at the peace got tougher and tougher and tougher on Germany and the tougher. It got the more certain it would it? It built in the backlash to the piece of Pie to The armistice to November one thousand nine hundred eighteen the backlash that that really the Nazi party was Was was was built on So the harsh peace occupation of the Rhineland. The you know indemnities the reparations. The war guilt clause all of those things. Where what poison the well of the Peace Well well let's turn back to listening to one more just brief oral history from an American who witnessed the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic we heard from Philadelphia. We heard little from Montana. This is Kentucky Coal Miner Thomas Bartley and he remembered how the flu pandemic ravaged the coal camps. He used to work at his. Dad is looking time then and you throw in your life here. Eight nineteen eighteen PLU and When I get over there I'd ride my whole ocean and over there of evening out. Stay with me go there about three hours and new water could to help them and everyone was innovated and sometimes doc depression would come. Marla other. He's the doctor. And he said trying to save their loved him to hang onto their Sabido and ever nearly Arab report ever poor. Could I look at had? Been have a casket mark percent non it and Mana digging graves hard to the good and the minds had to shut down man. There were no. They wasn't a minor running a lump or colour on and no work. They got away for about six three that all history courtesy of the University of Kentucky Library Oral History Project. Now John Go. Go ahead say miners as you know. Different demographic groups suffered differently. I we should make the point that in nineteen eighteen. The people who died were young. Over two-thirds of deaths where people between eighteen and fifty the elderly people over sixty five actually escaped almost untouched. Well over ninety percent of the excess mortality people under sixty five so I usually there's a similar virus in their youth gave them natural immunity. I'm minors over six percent of the entire pop. I'm not talking case fatality. Six per cent of all the minors aged eighteen to fifty died. So if you were a minor you're in factory workers Over three percent of the entire population of factory workers In that age bracket died again. Probably no social distancing and so forth and so on not great ventilation they they So pregnant women their studies range from twenty one percent to seventy one percent. Kate say talent among pregnant women so it's somewhat of a similar situation today. If you have an underlying condition I can see what would qualify You know if you have a problem with your long. Obviously underlying condition Very dangerous situation. You really need to social distance and honor the various advice from public health people so John. Here's one of the things. I take from Thomas Bartley oral history there and that is you know for example saying he could see the evidence of the the pandemic with his own eyes and at the same time. Like all. Work Shutdown At the Cole camps he he was working at And so you know. Here's what I wonder at at the same time as you had mentioned before the federal government kept you. They either weren't talking about the flu pandemic because they were doing all they could. To keep up morale regarding the first World War And so all these rosy reports from the federal government ultimately backfired. It sounds like what you're saying. And so is one of the big lessons here from the nineteen. Eighteen pandemic is that we need facts and truth from from leaders in that and then if we get straight and the truth that that that can help us lead us down the right decision making pass. Absolutely you know I think people can deal with reality however harsh. It may be if you go to a monster movie movie It's always most scary before you see the monster you know. 'cause your imagination is much more powerful than any reality And once a monster appears on the screen becomes concrete and it's limited If if you give people the straight facts which in fact is what in Singapore the the head of the government there and Singapore is controlled this disease. Through discipline social distancing they're all sorts of various testing And yet they have not closed restaurants. They have not closed schools Somewhere things for you know careers hen. Shut down the economy and yet they controlled it Hong Kong Taiwan. Same thing. They they've been upfront with people told them what they need to do. testing `isolation Contact tracing all these things. I have not yet happened in the United States. John just here for second. Because because you're getting toward something that that I I wanNA explore from it with you because it was back in two thousand five that you served as an expert on a CDC panel that helped create a pandemic preparedness point wasn't actually CDC but yeah after when bird-flu surface Then the federal government started putting together preparedness lands in those early working groups We did have some people there from CDC but it was a lot of okay cross agency. Federal Group Okay but a lot of outside people. Yeah so you were a subject matter expert on this and you told The New York Times that you felt like your job in two thousand five two thousand six on this panel was to quote. Beat the tell the truth. Tell the truth drum. Did that message get through then and has that and did it get is. Are we following that that now though I mean it is written into every pandemic plan since written into the Federal Pandemic Plan? It's written into the plan of every state. The problem has always been someone has to be has to get up and execute that plan and unfortunately Obviously for the first Six or eight weeks of this The president was minimizing then. Roughly a week ago he He got deadly serious. I think I guess it was a week ago Monday. Although it seems like much longer Into the approach that I would have wished he'd taken earlier but then he you know begins to stray And of course you have Some members of the media who were also minimizing it suggests any practically that it was a democratic pot onto my new administration. Going almost that far So as I said earlier for anything to be successful you need to have lied. Spread compliance with various guidelines. And going back to nineteen eighteen Army those on army camps ninety nine out of one hundred and twenty impose various quarantine measures twenty one camps did nothing and there was no statistical difference between the camps and imposed a quarantine and the camps. That did nothing because over a period of time there was too much leakage. They failed to discipline themselves inside the camps. The person who did that study didn't just do a statistical look at them. He actually was puzzled by that result and did a more detailed study about how camps actually implemented recommendations on quarantine discovered that only a very few camps really carried them out diligently and in those camps there was significant benefit however there were so few of them in the larger sample size. We're talking about a couple of million people Soldiers than the benefits were lost it. Typically but they were real in those camps now army cancer a lot different from a society. You had the barracks and so forth. It's very very difficult To to do any social distance but here we do have an opportunity. Obviously not not as close together as you are in a barracks But you need whites so John if I may it? Sounds like the three pillars of lessons to be learned from nineteen eighteen One is the paramount importance of truth and facts from public leaders. The second is the incredible importance of physical or social social distancing and the difference that can make and the third is the first to help lead to the public compliance and those three together can save lives. I've got about thirty seconds left from you. John D. Feel like we can achieve those three pillars now with corona virus while we're in a race because Testing is important to isolate the people who are sick and I play. I apply contact racing And if we can get the tests out there fast enough to really execute that then we're in a much better position. If we're not the social distancing we'll still help But we won't be able to gain the kind of edge over these things that they did in Korea or Singapore or Hong Kong. Well John Berry author of the great influenza the story of the deadliest pandemic in history and a professor lanes school of Public Health and tropical medicine. John Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you very much. Well Jack we just got a couple of minutes left here. This was absolutely fascinating hour. I'M GONNA leave the La- last thought to you. What should we take away? Well I'm GonNa give you a taste of a picture of nineteen eighteen. This is from a Catherine and Porter Story. Pale Horse Pale rider. She was a young reporter in one thousand nine hundred eighteen in Denver. She fell ill of influenza. She was her colleagues were so convinced that she was going to die that they set her obituary Pale. Pale rider is about Miranda. She she stricken with the flu Her Lover Adam comes to visit her and nurses are. He goes back to his army base. She wakes on Armistice Day to find that Adam that she has lived but Adam has dead is died and she thinks at once he was there beside her invisible but urgently present ghost but more lives than she was. The last intolerable cheat over heart for knowing it was false. She still clung to the lie. The unpardonable lie of her bitter desire. She said I love you and stood up trembling trying by the mere actor for will to bring him to cite before her. If I could call you up from the grave I would. She said if I could see your ghost I would say I believe I believe she said aloud. Oh let me see you. Once or the room was silent empty. The shade was gone from it. Struck away by the sudden violence of her rising and speaking loud. She came to herself as if out of sleep. No more war. No more plague only the days silence that follows the ceasing of the heavy guns Nautilus houses with the shades drawn empty streets. The dead cold light of tomorrow now. There would be time for everything well. Jack Beatty on point news analyst joining us as always from Hanover. New Hampshire Jack. Thank you so very much for being with us this hour. Thank you Meghna. Well folks as we wrap up today I wanNa let you know that tomorrow or Corona virus coverage of course continues and we're GONNA be talking about kindness. So have you seen or been part of an act of kindness in your community? Maybe you're a part of a neighborhood. Sing along or making masks or items to help medical workers in your neighborhood. We want to hear from you. So leave us a voicemail at six one seven three five three zero six eight three six seven three five three zero six eight three. And we're going to go out with over there. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti. This is on point body mm-hmm.

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"This is an encore presentation of everything everywhere daily. I'll be back again on january first with brand new episodes if you look at the list of officer ranks in the united states armed forces there are ten ranks listed which are held. Today they go from second lieutenant all the way up to the rank of general which is the four-star variant of the rank. There is a rank above general a five star general which hasn't been awarded seventy years. Most people are familiar with these generals as having served in world war two however there is still one more rank above that of five star general in the united states military. Find out about this rank and the two men who have been awarded it on this episode of everything everywhere daily. This episode is sponsored by g adventures. These are very troubled times. Even though things are starting to get better and more countries are opening up people are still hesitant to travel and that is totally understandable. 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The upper ranks of the american military has changed over time and according to the military's needs for most of the history of the united states. Its military has been quite small. Compared to european countries and there wasn't a need for a large and complicated system for organizing the top commanders in the armed forces for example the highest rank ever obtained by george washington during his lifetime. Was that of lieutenant. General which today would be a three star general. He never attained a higher rank because there wasn't any in fact after washington. There were no lieutenant generals in the american army until eighteen fifty-five when winfield scott the longest serving soldier in american history was given a promotion to the rank after the civil war congress authorized the newly created rank of general of the army and a word it to ulysses s grant and. Here's where i have to start splitting hairs. And being nitpicky there is a difference between rank and insignia. Today we can say the rank of general by the number of stars they have but stars are just the insignia of the rank. The reason i bring it up is that grant was the first person in. Us history to hold the rank of general of the army and there was no established insignia for it. Grant used four silver stars to note his rank after grant. There were three other men that held the rank of general of the army in the nineteenth century. William tecumseh sherman was appointed to the rank after grant and he changed the insignia to two silver stars with an american eagle between them. The final holder was philip sheridan who held the rank briefly before his death after the death of sheridan in eighteen eighty eight. There were no more generals higher than the rank of major general aka. A two star general at the start of world war one. The united states again created general ranks above two stars and the system they created is pretty much the one we have today. So let me give a quick overview as to how general officers in the us military our bank today. A brigadier general is a one-star general. A major general is a two star general. A lieutenant general is a three star. General and a general is a four star general. The rank is called just plain old general. There's nothing else to it. These are currently the only four ranks of general used in the united states military today and the only four which were used in world war one tasker h bliss and john. J. pershing were both appointed to the four star rank of general during world war. One here i have to make note that the world war one rank of general headed insignia. A four stars which was the same as the insignia used by general grant after the civil war but his rank wasn't that of general but general of the army. This is the distinction that soon going to become important. Just because their insignia had the same number of stars does not mean that they held the same rank this four level system for general officers held until world war two when we suddenly had a problem as the united states began working with other allied nations. There had to be a strict hierarchy in the alliance. The united states providing most of the troops equipment and money lead the alliance however allies like britain header rank in their military above that a four star general the rank field marshal. This put the americans in an awkward position of having commanders with a lower official rank than the people underneath them. The solution to this was to create a new rank for the very top level commanders. Which was on a par with the rank of field marshal. Their solution was to bring back. The nineteenth century rank held by grant sherman and sheridan general of the army. The biggest differences at this time the insignia of the rank would be five stars instead of four again splitting the rank of general of the army remained the same albeit unfulfilled since eighteen eighty eight. What happened is that another rank that of plain old general was inserted between lieutenant general and general of the army and the new rank that of general was given the insignia of four stars the military also created an equivalent five star rank for the navy creating the rank of fleet admiral during world war. Two there were four. Men raised to the rank of general of the army. They were george marshall. Douglas mccarthur dwight eisenhower. And henry hap arnold. There were also four. Admirals raised to the rank of fleet. Admiral all eight admirals and generals were advanced in rank one day apart from each other between december fifteenth and december twenty first nineteen forty four. They were giving their promotions one day apart so there was a clear order of seniority between them. The only other person who has given the five star rank of general of the army was omar bradley in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty bradley's promotion to the rank was a political move because he was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff during the korean war and he would be an awkward position of having had a higher ranking. Douglas mccarthur underneath him. Since then no one has been advanced to the rank. So why didn't the united states just creat the rank of field marshal to put it on the same level as other countries. The story which is told is that when the idea of creating a five star rank was floated field. Marshall was the original name. But then george marshall would have been called field marshall marshall and that didn't sound dignified so they just went with general of the army. Henry arnold it should be noted carried his five star rank with him after the war when the air force was created and he became the first and only five star rank general of the air force only real attempts since world war two to revive the rank occurred in the one thousand nine hundred ninety s when senator robert cast and of wisconsin lobbied to have four star generals norman schwarzkopf and colin powell promoted during the gulf war. The movement stalled and the promotions were never given likewise there was an effort to automatically have the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff elevated to a five star rank but that went nowhere. Now the title of this episode is the six star general. And you're probably wondering when the six star is going to come into play. Well here is where it gets interesting in. One thousand nine hundred nine congress created a new rank called general of the armies of the united states. Note that this is plural as opposed to the five star rank of general of the army. This rank was given to then four star. General john pershing he created his own insignia. Like general grant in the nineteenth century and he selected for stars to distinguish it from the four star rank of general which had four silver stars when the new five star ranks were announced in one thousand nine hundred forty four. The secretary of war henry stimson was asked if these new ranks were the same or different than the rank which was given to general pershing. He said and i quote it appears. The intent of the army was to make the general of the army's senior in grade to the general of the army. I have advised congress that the war department concurs in such proposed action as pershing was still alive when the five-star appointments were made. It wasn't a totally trivial issue. That means the united states does have a rank on the books although almost never discussed above that of the five star of the army. This isn't unprecedented in the world. There are some countries which do have a rank of field marshal. The rank is usually called generalissimo or grand marshal. The rank is mostly given by dictators to themselves or as an honor to some great general in one thousand nine hundred seventy six congress decided to posthumously promote george washington to the rank of general of the armies of the united states and declared by statute that no one could ever be ranked higher than washington. The only other attempt to elevate someone living to the rank was douglas mcarthur in preparation. For the invasion of japan. Macarthur was going to be given supreme command as through would be several five. Star generals and admirals involved. The idea was floated of promoting macarthur to the rank of general of the armies and explicitly. Making it a six star rank a six star insignia. The idea was dropped. A few weeks after japan's surrender in his service record notes that the promotion didn't occur due to the lack of necessity for such a rank however there was a movement to promote macarthur to the six star rank for the next twenty years up to including and after his death however nothing became of it after he died. There was a movement for posthumous promotion. The institute of heraldry even mocked up a six star insignia. In the end. The problems of advancing macarthur above his world war two contemporaries. Some of whom were still alive. Were too complex and political so. The proposal was dropped so yes. There is an equivalent of a six star general rank on the books and the us military but it is only been given to two people in history. John j. pershing and george washington generals of the armies of the united states of america executive producer of everything everywhere daily. Is james mcculloch special. 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What The 1918 Flu Pandemic Teaches Us About The Coronavirus Outbreak

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What The 1918 Flu Pandemic Teaches Us About The Coronavirus Outbreak

"Thank you for listening to on point. We'd like to better understand who is listening. And how you're using podcasts. So please help us out by completing a short anonymous survey at NPR dot org slash podcast survey. That's one word. It takes less than ten minutes and it really helps support the show that's NPR dot org slash podcast survey and thanks from NPR and WB. You are Boston. I Magma Chalker Birdie and this is on point. Let's take a moment to listen to Loretta. Jerusalem back in one thousand nine hundred two. She lived in Bear Creek Montana and she shared some of her memories of the global flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen with the Montana Historical Society. So many people have that flew and young people and they died. You know. What really gets me about Loretta Voice? It's that last momentary pause when she says so many young people and they died. It's as if more than sixty years later. Loretta still couldn't quite believe what she'd witnessed with. The scale and devastation of the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic that disease ended up killing more than fifty million people worldwide more than died in World War. One which was grinding towards. It's gruesome end at home here. In the United States. Young people and children were being cut down by the flu in Philadelphia. Louise Approach as was just a child in nineteen eighteen but she remembered watching her neighbors grieve across the board about seven. Eight years old died and they used to just pick you up. That grew up in the seat and the patrol so the mother father screaming. Let me let me get caroni boxer before macaroni any kind of burden but this mold that high twenty pounds of macaroni footage above. Please please let me put him in the Michael. Only box luckily put him on the buck. Don't take away like that. Lewis spoke to historian Charles Hardy of West Chester University in the nineteen eighties. So just imagine that for a moment of mother pleading to put the body of her seven year old in a wooden box. Well here we are again with another global pandemic that could achieve the scale and devastating of the nineteen eighteen flu. Pandemic could but it doesn't have to because humanity also learned some very important lessons a century ago and this hour on point. We'll talk about what we learned from the last great global pandemic and whether we are applying those lessons. Now so let's start today with Jack Beatty. He's on points. News analyst joins us as always from Hanover. New Hampshire and Jack is also a profound scholar of the first World War. So Jack. It's good to have you as always. Hello MAGNA. I'm wondering could you just take a moment to set the stage for us? We'll talk about the pandemic in detail in a second. But I'd love to hear from you sort of where was the world geopolitically in one thousand nine hundred a I can do it. In terms of four events the Bolshevik revolution the German offensive the allied counteroffensive and the elections of nineteen eighteen. The Bolshevik revolution final really in November nineteen seventeen Resulted IN IN RUSSIA WITHDRAWING FROM THE WAR. Germany had been fighting a two front war now. Russia was out meaning. The Germany could transfer the scores of divisions that had been on the eastern front to the western front and try once more to break through the allied lines. Try before the Americans could arrive in numbers sufficient to make any German offensive impossible so there was this desperate attempt to break the allied lines that began with the first offensive series of them in March. Nineteen eighteen coincidentally That's the date of in one record. I've seen the first reported case of flu. Influenza found in the army so to to enemies were on the loose and the German Offensive Was a desperate battle For the in the British belly it was against the British barely held on and one reason they held on was an inspirational message. They got from their leader. Douglas Haig he wrote. There's no course open to us but to fight it out. Every position must be held to the last man must be no retirement with our backs to the wall and believing in the justice of our cause. Each one of us must fight on to the end. Vera `Britain the nurse and memoirs said. That message inspired her as by everybody to To work all the harder well. The Germans exhausted themselves in their offensives. When you go on the offensive you leave your base of supplies. You Force the enemy back on his supplies and at a certain point the the the battle turns in this really happened in June. When at Bellawood the American Marines counter attacked and made a very valiant blunting of the German offensive and then from June to November. We have the allied counteroffensive the Great Wall winning movement that finally drove that resulted in the in the in the Germans suing for peace and in there some place September my father ship the US Mount Vernon was torpedoed in the Bay of Best Gay resulting in the largest loss of life of any naval vessel in the war. My father talked about the dock at Brest with with corpses with with with the coffins with flags on them and the captain so overcome that His tears his blouse and then and then and then the the the election of nineteen eighteen. Which was a off your election. Woodrow Wilson Push very hard for his party to win. But as our friend David Kennedy Says the very fate seemed to raid against the President's Party death claimed eight Democratic senators thinning out there already sparse majority and turning the Senate over to the Republicans who defeated the Treaty of recite the next year and the League of Nations and in one famous phrase broke the hard of the world so that the election of nineteen November election was world historic event. Because it meant that the treaty of I. It would all come to nothing and in fact People had premonitions of that. It turns out that on the day of the Armistice Clement cells daughter said to him. Tell Me Papa that you are happy. He said I cannot say because I am not. We'll all be useless Well and it wasn't all that long until World War Two came knocking. But it's so fascinating nine thousand nine nine hundred this year of sort of The of a grinding global cataclysm. That is the first world war coming to this slow not really ending end right in November of nineteen eighteen and then right on the heels of that almost like perfectly overlapped is a public health. Cataclysm all over the world with the so-called Spanish flu so I WANNA turn now to John Kerry who is a professor at Tulane University School of Public Health and tropical medicine. He's author of the great influence the story of the deadliest pandemic in history any recently wrote about it once again in the New York Times in an OP. Ed piece we have linked to that point. Radio Dot Org John Barry. Welcome to on point. Thanks good to be with you and Jack. So first of all as Jack mentioned it was march of nineteen eighteen when the I believe the first reports of of a very virulent flu popped up in the United States army It's called the Spanish flu but do we know where it originated. We don't and my book. I advanced hypothesis that it began in January and Kansas. I thought I had pretty good evidence For that but since the was originally Pablo sometime back. There's been a lot of research since then their hypotheses. Kansas still barely alive is a possibility China Vietnam France or it could be somewhere else. Got The name because Spain was not at war didn't censor press. It's Kim got sick so People started writing about it You know censored press Guy Right. Anything that had any bad news And became known as Fantas flu interesting so it was Spain's ability to to print what it knew and not have to do it and being mindful of wartime propaganda that lands it with the name Spanish flu but again as Jack was saying there were massive troop movements right of between North America and Europe at the time and I feel like that's really important to know because it's not two thousand twenty where people flying around the world not for military purposes that's helping spread corona virus but it was the movement of troops in nineteen eighteen. It was that sort of the primary one of the primary vectors John. Well probably accelerated okay But it would have happened anyway. As far back as the sixteen hundreds influence manage to make it a pandemic from from Europe to Massachusetts. And where you guys are located When it took weeks to cross the ocean so you don't need airplanes or even railroads To spread pandemic but I think the troop movements did accelerated someone in the United States by June of nineteen. Seventeen I'm seeing here that I mean. The army had what several dozen large camps in the United States? Twenty five to fifty thousand soldiers in each one of these camps and that in a lot of place in a lot of those camps the flu was tearing through the soldiers there. So how did how did the Army I respond? Well for disease came in waves. The first way was actually quite mild or at least compared to the second way. Give you a sense of how mild it was in the British Grand Fleet which patrolled because of Europe over ten thousand sailors reported sick day but only four of them died so this and they ended up getting natural immune protection when lethal second. Wave came so it did run through the training camps in the spring The army really didn't do anything in an organized. Fashion the medical staffs did communicate with each other from camp to camp But there weren't the social distancing Measures imposed which they use later It seemed more. You know disease hit always killed more soldiers in a war and combat throughout history that one of the goals of the Army Surgeon General. Who is quite man? Gorgeous was to make sure that this would be the first war when that was not the case although because of pandemic it turned out that he sailed by a few thousand. So this spring wave which hit most of the army camps as you just mentioned Actually probably benefited those soldiers again. They're there certainly were desk. There's no question about it But you know. Most of the people ended up getting immune protection from from the wave but then the subsequent waves though as you say. Keep sort of pulsing not just to the United States but around the world leading in that too that alternate number of fifty million deaths so when we come back we're going to talk about what some measures were taken in key cities That we can draw some lessons from and talk more about how we apply those lessons today. Regarding the corona virus so we are talking about the nineteen eighteen. Global flu pandemic. We'll have a lot more when we come back. This is on point. This is on point. I magnin crazy. We are talking this hour about lessons that we should be learning from the nineteen eighteen global flu pandemic and I'm joined today by John Berry. He is a professor at two in university's School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine and author of the Great Influenza. The story of the deadliest pandemic in History Jack Beatty also joins us. He's on points news analyst and just consider this for a moment by October of nineteen eighteen according to the CDC itself The flu pandemic killed an estimated one hundred ninety five thousand Americans in October of nineteen. Eighteen alone Chicago many other cities nited States began closing movie theaters and movie houses and schools and New York City for example in October of nineteen eighteen reported a forty percent decline shipyard productivity due to the flu of course that was happening towards the tail end of the First World War. Well let's listen for a moment to an van. Dyke and Elizabeth Stra Chessy. They are from Philadelphia or were from Philadelphia and they remembered how the flu ravaged their neighborhood. Turbo flow now. Felony guy that they kept can put them in garages that. Grand matrons three. Oh my gosh. She had a couple of garages. You think that Unclamps sped but a year in the energy to get the people and take them out and pilot in the garage and people smelt something and they know defined guarany take the People Avak plan and put them in the garage and get get a from the somebody else you've got paid for and slush and Sonoran desert mounted knock it run down the alley so they quarter with him. It was down. No no this these those oral histories courtesy of historian Charles Hardy and West Chester University. John this is one of the great lessons that we must all draw from what happened in the night in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine flu pandemic that. That's the various responses in the United States between different cities. So can you tell us what Philadelphia did or didn't do that other places well because we're at war The National Public Health leaders basically lied to the public They said things like this is ordinary influenza by another name or you have nothing to fear. Proper precautions taking so forth and so on this was echoed by local leaders and many cities Philadelphia being a prime example So they had a big liberty loan parade scheduled would say declined to cancel although all the medical community urged him to in forty eight hours later. just not like clockwork influence exploded in the city. Three hundred thousand. Three hundred thousand people are required to expect. Come to this parade. Something like that. And the results were legal Later they did institute what we call social distancing and closed everything down restaurants stretches services But it was too late because because of virus had already become widely disseminated in the city In Philadelphia had one of the worst experiences in the in the I think roughly fourteen thousand five hundred people in Philadelphia died One of the lessons It's not social distancing but you have to implement the distant these measures early If you don't if you wait until a lot of people are sick and it's widely disseminated virus It's it's way too late and will not have significant impact. But if you do do it early if you get widespread compliance These measures do work. Well Jack let me turn back to you here for a moment because I believe it was last week on the show that you you made this comparison between Philadelphia's belated extremely belated response in one thousand nine hundred eighteen versus was saint. Louis yes Saint Louis Philadelphia waited the interval between their social distancing policies. Was Fourteen Days Saint Louis Way. Two days after its first case was reported Philadelphia waited fourteen and in those in that period as John Said. They had that parade and his dramatic difference in Saint Louis which was did social distancing immediately twenty four to forty eight hours. The death rate was thirty. One per one hundred thousand people in Philadelphia which waited fourteen days. The death rate was two hundred and fifty seven people per one hundred thousand population. Nearly ten times It what's frightening is to realize the United States today is more like Philadelphia Than Saint Louis. John Would you agree with that? Are we following Philadelphia esque track in twenty a unfortunately We do not have widespread compliance. I'm in New Orleans which is one of the hotspots. Maybe the hot spot in terms of the rate of acceleration Although we have closed everything down here for the last week Hopefully that will have some impact But we've all seen photographs of the Florida beaches and things like that People need to take it seriously and they need to take seriously early. That's the tough part that if they don't see a lot of people around them sick then they think. Why are we having to do this now? But that is the time that it's effective. Well it's all about about What different cities did here? I am seeing that San Francisco. Did it take different track in terms of how again this is one thousand nine hundred about how it was communicating about the threat of the influenza pandemic to the Public? And did did it make a difference? I have made a big difference in our city. Functioned Philadelphia Public Health leaders. As I said they were they were basically lying out right To the extent that when they finally closed schools banned all public gatherings including church services closed. You know there is restaurants bars when they finally did this. One of the newspapers went so far as to say this is not a public health measure. You have no cause for alarm. Obviously you know people. Aren't that stupid What happened in Philadelphia and elsewhere which took place Authorities took this whole This approach people lost all faith in anything they were being told and they really seem to feel as if they were on their own entirely completely. Isolated in society began to fray and Philadelphia and elsewhere. There were reports of people starving to death because no one had the courage to bring them food. San Francisco believed masks. Were going to work. And the mayor the All the business leaders union leaders Health professionals signed a joint statement. Full page In the newspapers huge. Typeset where I'm asking. Save Your Life now as it turns out they let them do something they did. Not and in fact. San Francisco had a fourth or fifth sized excess mortality in the country. However the city functioned When you know people were still afraid and I had good reason to fear As a society it it worked when for example teachers When the schools were closed teachers volunteered is everything from ambulance drivers to telephone operators. They had the sense of community. And that's important. You didn't have people starving to death in San Francisco I think right now here here in New Orleans at least where I am in the French quarter you get that sense of community I still go out socially distance but I'll go for a walk and you know see neighbor. I've actually never talked to before a few blocks away says. Is there anything I need or even more to the point? My friend and neighbor can't roby's a dentist you know. He went to his office. Got All his masks and gloves donated them to a hospital but even more to the point. Dentists can perform a lot of medical procedures and take a burden off other healthcare workers. So He's volunteering at a hospital and do the things that he's capable of doing. You certainly not used to dealing with infectious diseases but that kind of community spirit and I sense that here in New Orleans. I hope that's the same way elsewhere. So it sounds like what you're seeing is the truthfulness and transparency from leaders at a time like this can hopefully accelerate the kind of community response that we want and need to see to help control pandemic so John Jack. Hang on for just seconds. Let's go to. Let's go to a couple of calls here. Let's go to Lucia. Who's calling from Shazia New York Lucia? You're on the air I I just wanted to Mentioned my late grandfather. He was a he was in the army in France during World War. One and he told me how when he came back. Home after the war. the dead soldiers had to be you know buried at sea and Also there would be farmers up here in the North Country You know they lost so many members of their family and they ran out of coffins. They had to take the off their barnes to bury their relatives and And I do have a question I did see a program once about That the so called. Spanish flu really did come from Iowa and it was our troops that took that flew over to Europe. The Jack know anything about the well actually think John Various the is the man to turn that question to you and he actually Hansard it a little bit earlier because he was talking about the Kansas theory but Lucia. Thank you for that call. John did you WanNa just clarify. I didn't hear your answer may not be Kansas right there. There that or hypothesis. I advanced at myself but I've backed away from it because it's been so much scientific research on since I came up with mine. I think it's more likely China But it still could be there. As far as the coffins almost every city in the country in fact everyone that I know of Did in fact run out of coffins One of the were. They were actually reusing them. They'd have a funeral buries the bodies take the coughing and reuse it in many places. Yeah in the oral history heard from Philadelphia. That's what And Elizabeth. We're talking about a caretaker or undertaker reusing coffins in Philadelphia. Well Lucia. Thank you so much for your call. Let's go to Paul. Who's calling from Story City Iowa Paul? You're on the air. I'm a radio person myself. It's a pleasure to be on the air with you I am. I would have been able to get that off the first well. I'm calling the historical tidbits but if you read Omar Bradley's autobiography he was part of the class was called the class that the stars fell on in West Point Eisenhower. And people like that. Who BECAME LUMINARIES IN WORLD WAR? Two but at the time of the flu epidemic. He was stuck here in Iowa des Camp Dodge in moines and of course he thought his career was over because to advance in the army. It's very important to have a combat command if there's a war on it was the lowest part of his life and he spent most of his time writing condolence letters to next of kin because Corpses were stacked in boxes right outside the Mess Hall. So that's just a little tidbit. I threw in there since you're talking about nineteen eighteen. Well Paul thank you so much for that that tidbit and for gracing the airwaves with your dulcet. Tones once again. Thank you so much Jack. Omar Bradley Omar Bradley. Who was the number two man Eisenhower and World War Two? And who is known as the the soldiers general he was he was a warm and genial man. I remember friend of mine told me she was a little girl in New York City in the nineteen fifties and it was in a restaurant and Omar and Mrs Bradley Came Down and sat down. No one said anything. And they had their meal and they got up and when they got up to leave every man and woman and child in the restaurants stood up and applauded. Wow well John. Let's turn back if we can to Sort of what was happening between different cities and the federal government in one thousand nine hundred and nine hundred nineteen. Because I'm mindful what you said earlier that there were multiple waves right of of influenza over the course of a year and what was. What was the federal government doing at this time seeing here? There's the President Wilson. Maybe didn't even release a public statement at all about influence. Nothing he never released any statement about INTWAZA whatsoever The federal government did next to nothing. it was of course we had a different society then but everything was up to local leaders And that's one reason why we got such buried responses. A lot of it is also just random luck Some places. The virus seem more lethal and others the earlier cities that were hit. Were hit much harder. And the virus seem to attenuate a little bit Over time so if you got hit later you you're in better shape and if you got sick in the same city later in the epidemic. You're in better shape and it wasn't because medical care improved. Medical care deteriorated. I nothing they could do anyway Except supportive care and second by later in the outbreak particular and same city. Medical care was totally exhausted and overwhelmed and so the virus was chief determinant What was going on I mean? Could we say for a moment that in nineteen eighteen if there were any excuse for the lack of a federal response it was that there was a world war? The Great War was going on. I mean is that. Is that even a legitimate line of thinking? Well Wilson had an unbelievable single focus. Everything you eat you know zoo strange character But the war was everything to him. Even to the extent when Medical staff advised that he stopped shipping troops to Europe during the pandemic. Because you know ships were almost floating coffins. And he said that no that. Was you know part of war if you die in the front line guy on the ship but then the medical staff said well at least about shipping troops from camps where the disease had already passed through the camp because they did have likely some immunity and in fact it wouldn't even do that wouldn't change the schedule or to the general staff to change the schedule. Which should have done that on? Its own but they didn't Then of course Wilson did these During the peace conference And one of the unusual complications of this disease was had mental impacts Music playing it definitely affected Wilson. Maybe if we have time we talk about that talk about. Yes I would because the idea that. The president of the United States was delirious with flu as the world was trying to negotiate a peace at the end of world. War One is a story we WanNa hear John Kerry and Jack Beatty Standby. We are talking about lessons. Learned from the thousand nine eighteen. Global flu pandemic. We'll be right back. This is on point. This is on point. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti. We are talking about lessons. Learned from the nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen global flu pandemic and John Barry. Before the break you were telling us. How President Woodrow Wilson? He might how he had the flu when he was trying to negotiate the peace really for the end of World War. One quite definitely It was rampant in Paris at the time. Yeah Two hundred. Three hundred and four degree temperature violent coughing and I started to say one of the unusual complications of influenza was a mental disorder. Even to the extent that the people all of us axe wrote about in the wake inning. Very strong hypothesis that they had suffered from influenza. It was a disease called. Encephalitis lethargic Which occurred after influence? A few years later and then disappeared sequel to influence a and Wilson got it he. It's been standing absolutely firm in the peace conference Prior to getting sick after he got sick people were saying that they had never seen him like that he was paranoid he couldn't remember An hour later what had been discussed in our before. He was physically weak And in that Frame he went back into a room with you. Know just a handful of other leaders particularly Clemenceau whose nickname was the tiger and was much more forceful and Wilson ended up caving in Bandini basically all the principles that supposedly the US had gone to walk. John Maynard. Keynes called them the greatest fraud on earth. So you might have caved in regardless You know it's possible. We'll let me just to Jack Beatty about this because Jack. It's quite stunning to contemplate to think that perhaps the flu. It was a factor at least in the far from perfect. The imperfect piece that was achieved ever side. Yes and to think that it lived on in such a poisonous way because Wilson The Germans had surrendered rich. The armistice on the basis of his fourteen point peace plan which was fairly generous You know peace and with his giving way giving way giving way at reside the piece got tougher and tougher and tougher on Germany and the tougher. It got the more certain it would it? It built in the backlash to the peace of reside to The armistice to November nineteen eighteen the backlash that that really the Nazi party was Was was was built on so the harsh peace occupation of the Rhineland. The indemnities the reparations. The war guilt clause all of those things. Were what poison the well of the peace? Well well let's turn back to listening to one more brief oral history from an American who witnessed the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic we heard from Philadelphia. We heard a little from Montana. This is Kentucky Coal Miner Tamous Bartley and he remembered how the flu pandemic ravaged the coal camps. He used to work at his shadow looking time. Then you showing you live there. Eight nineteen eighteen blue. And when I'd get over there I'd ride mojo option and evening out. Stay with bill there about three hours and new water could to help them and every one of them was in the bed and some Tom. Dr Preston wouldn't go marlowe there. He's the doctor and he said them are trying to save their love affair. Ain't going to the sabbatical ever nearly airport ever poor. Could I look at how the casket Moke on it and Mana digging graves the good and the mind had to shutdown? I wouldn't mind there. Were no minor running a lump of Coal Ron and no work day getaway for about six three that all history courtesy of the University of Kentucky Library or History Project Now John. The reason why go ahead say minors. You know different. Demographic groups suffered different. I should make the point that nineteen eighteen people died where young over two thirds of death for people between eighteen and fifty. The elderly people over sixty five actually escaped almost untouched. Well over ninety percent of the excess mortality people under sixty five so usually there had been a similar virus in their youth which gave them natural. Immunity I- minors over six percent of the entire. I'm not talking case tally. Six for ten cent. All the minors aged eighteen to fifty died. So if you were a minor in factory workers Over three percent of the entire population of factory workers In that age bracket died again. Probably no social distance sane and so forth and so. I'm not great ventilation they So pregnant women their studies range from twenty one percent to seventy one percent case fatality among pregnant women So it's somewhat of a similar situation today. If you have an underlying condition I can see what would qualify You know if you have a problem with your long. Obviously underlying condition Very dangerous situation. You really need to social distance and honor the various advice from public health people so John. Here's one of the other things that I take from Tamous partly oral history there. And that is you know for example. He's saying he could see the evidence of the pandemic with his own eyes and at the same time like all work shutdown At the Cole camps he he was working at And so you know here. Here's what I wonder at at the same time as you had mentioned before the federal government kept you know they either weren't talking about the flu pandemic because they were doing all they could to keep up morale regarding the first World War And so all these rosy reports from the federal government ultimately backfired. It sounds like what you're saying. And so what is one of the big lessons here from the nineteen? Eighteen pandemic is that we need facts and truth from from leaders and then if we get straight facts and the truth that that that can help us lead us down the right decision making path. I mean you absolutely you know I think people can deal with reality however harsh. It may be if you go to a monster. Movie Horror Movie It's always most scary before you see the monster you know. 'cause your imagination's much more powerful than any reality And wants a monster appears on the screen becomes concrete and it's limited If if you give people a straight facts which in fact is what in Singapore the the The government there and Singapore is controlled this disease through discipline social distancing that all sorts of various testing And yet they have not close restaurants. They have not close schools Somewhere things for you know careers Hans. Shut down the economy. And yet they had controlled it Hong Kong Taiwan. Same thing they. They've been up front with people told them what they need to do. testing isolation Contact tracing all these things. I have not yet happened in the gentleman. Can I just talk on your second? Because because you're getting toward something that that I won't want to explore with you because it was back in two thousand five that you served as an expert on a CDC panel that helped create a pandemic preparedness plan. Two thousand CDC but yeah after when bird surface than the federal government started putting together Preparedness plans in those early work in groups. We did have some people there from CDC but it was a lot of okay cross agency. Federal Group Okay and then and a lot of outside people. Yeah a subject matter expert on this and you told The New York Times that you felt like your job in two thousand five two thousand six on this panel was to quote. Beat the tell the truth. Tell the truth drum. Did that message get through then and has that. Are we following that that now? Though it is written into every pandemic plan it's written into the Federal Pandemic Plan. It's written into the plan of every state but the problem has always been someone has to in. Florida has to get up in execute that plan and unfortunately obviously for the first Six or eight weeks of this The president was minimizing it Then roughly a week ago he He got deadly serious. I think I guess it was a week ago Monday. Although it seems like much longer And took the protests that I would have wished he had taken earlier but then he you know begins to stray. And of course you have Some members of the media who were also minimizing suggested any practically that it was a democratic. I the Miami Administration Going almost that far So as I said earlier for anything to be successful you need to have spread compliance with the various guidelines and going back to nineteen eighteen Army Keiko's army camps ninety nine out of one hundred twenty five areas guaranteeing measures twenty one camps. Did nothing and there was no statistical difference between the camps and imposed a quarantine and the camps did nothing because over a period of time. There was too much leakage. They failed to discipline themselves inside the camps. The person who did that study didn't Stewart Statistical. Look at them. He actually was puzzled by that result and did a more detailed study about how camps actually implemented the recommendations. I'm quarantine discovered that only a very few camps really carried them out Diligently in those camps there was significant benefit however they were so few of them in the larger sample size. We're talking about a couple of million people Soldiers than there the benefits were lost. It typically but they were real in those camps now army cancer a lot different from society. You had the barracks and so forth. It's very very difficult To to do any social distancing in there but here we do have an opportunity where obviously not not as close together as you are in a barracks but you need whites compliance. John if I may it sounds like the. There's like three pillars of lessons to be learned from nineteen eighteen One is the paramount importance of truth and facts from public leaders. The second is the incredible importance of physical or social social distancing and the difference that can make and the third is is the first to help lead to the public compliance and those three together can save lives. I've got about thirty seconds left from you. John D. Feel like we can achieve those three pillars now with corona virus while we're in a race because Testing is important to isolate. The people who are sick and -opoly I apply contact racing And if we can get to test out there fast enough to really execute that then we're in a much better position. If we're not the social distancing we'll still help But they we won't be able to gain the kind of edgy over these things that they did in Korea or Singapore or Hong Kong. Well John Berry author of the great influenza the story of the deadliest pandemic in history and a professor Two Lanes School of Public Health and tropical medicine. John Thank you so much for joining us today very much. Well Jack we just got a couple of minutes left here. This was an absolute fascinating hour. I'M GONNA leave the La- last thought to you. What should we take away? Well I'm GonNa give you a taste of a picture of nineteen eighteen. This is from a Kathryn Porter Story. Pale Horse Pale rider. She was a young reporter in nineteen eighteen in Denver. She fell ill of influenza. She was they was her colleagues. Were so convinced that she was going die that they set her obituary Pale. Pale rider is about Miranda. She She stricken with the flu. Her lover. Adam comes to visit her nurses are he goes back to his army base. She wakes on Armistice Day to find that Adam that she has lived but Adam has dead has died and she thinks at once he was there beside her invisible but urgently present a ghost but more lives in. She was the last intolerable cheat of her heart. For knowing it was false she still clung to the lie. The unpardonable lie of her bitter desire. She said I love you and stood up trembling trying by the mere act of a will to bring him to cite before her. If I could call you up from the grave I would. She said if I could see your ghost I would say I believe I believe she said aloud. Oh let me see you once more. The Room was silent empty. The shade was gone from it. Struck away by the sudden violence of her rising and speaking aloud. She came to herself as if out of sleep. No more war. No more plague only the days silence that follows the ceasing of the heavy guns noiseless houses with the shades drawn empty streets. The dead cold light of tomorrow now. There would be time for everything well. Jack Beatty on point news analyst joining us as always from Hanover. New Hampshire Jack. Thank you so very much for being with us this hour. Thank you you can continue the conversation and get the point. Podcast at our website on point radio DOT ORG follow us on twitter and facebook at on point radio. Be the first to find out. Tomorrow's topics and guests by going to our facebook page on point radio hit the button. And you'll get alerts on upcoming shows right there in your news. Feed on point is produced by Anna Bowman. Melissa Egan Lena Mata Brittany Nuts Stefanos West. Martin Hillary mcquilken James. Ross Dory Chamoun Tim Scott Grace Tattered Adam Waller and Sydney wartime with help from Liam Knox. And we're going to go out with over there already. This is on point Tom.

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World War II at 75

The Classicist

22:08 min | 1 year ago

World War II at 75

"Welcome. To The classes podcast from Hoover Institution I'm your host Troy senic and the classes is Victor Davis Hanson the Morton and Ilie Anderson Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. In Victor, this summer marks the seventy fifth anniversary of the conclusion of World War Two and as many of our listeners will remember a you just a few years ago released a wonderful book entitled the Second World Wars have the first global conflict was fought and won, and so I wanted to take the opportunity today to talk about the legacy of the war as it relates to today I wanna start with something that you wrote about recently, this month is the seventy fifth anniversary. Of the atomic bombs being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and even at the remove of three quarters of a century this remains a matter of intense debate. There was a poll that came out I don't know if you saw this a few weeks ago from YouGov in which they found that thirty nine percent of Americans today thought we were justified in dropping the bombs thirty three percents that we were wrong and twenty five percent said they didn't know. So still a matter of contention victor, how are we to think about the moral calculus behind this decision? While I think we're kind of American centric and by that story, I mean that we look at. The decision. As American. Japanese decision and it really wasn't in that by that. I mean. The Imperial Japanese army had about five million men in uniform stationed in. China. Another couple of million in in the in Indochina and Asia and then in the Pacific and they were probably killing given their rates as calculate after the war about twenty thousand people a day. So every day that that war didn't end people are GonNa die whether they died in Hiroshima they died. Dropping a bomb on or they died in a Chinese genocidal campaign. And so there, I think one of the things we shouldn't underestimate the past we have to remember that they were very bright people and they had a range of options. One was not to do anything just to say you know what we've isolated. We go squeezing them and we'll just let them die on the vine and the people said they're killing twenty thousand people a day and We can't let that happen another suggestion was why don't we just have an armistice didn't were wore one with Kaiser just let the government will call it quits will kind of defend them sort of like the ninety one Gulf War and and people said, no, these people are war criminals, killed millions of people they destroy Chinese lives have gone into Burma they've gone into. Indochina. Their butchers. and. That government will come back. So that was ruled out the choice three was. Well listen invade go into a hunt shoe and Kyushu in will stay with him in November in March nineteen, forty six, and then people said, well, wait a minute. We invaded Okinawa in April I thought was going to be a cakewalk. We've learned all the lessons from Tarawa New Jima in the Marianas they're almost expense they only had one hundred thousand soldiers may be one, hundred, thousand civilian auxiliaries Okinawans and they inflicted the worst defeat not defeat but losses on the US. Navy. In its history, they wiped out the Sixth Marine Division they entered the First Marine Division combat operative and they wounded killed or were missing fifty thousand Americans toting twelve, thousand plus dead. And they launched were five thousand kamikaze attacks and they. We think they had seven thousand kamikaze planes still there and they had seven million people under arms in. Japan's Okinawa would be finished joke compared to the invasion. So they said, well, let's not do that. And then Curtis Lemay who didn't know about the atomic bomb and felt that he had been given rain said, you know what? We have twenty, five, hundred bombers the. As, we got another two thousand on order. Okinawa's not sixteen hundred miles away. It's only three, hundred, fifty miles away. We can do two missions a day not one two days will put two thousand bombers air. The British one in they've got the most heavy the greatest bomb capacity of any bomber prior to be twenty nine, the Lancaster will bring them over remember the war had been over. For all half of May and June and July and the first part of August, and we were five, thousand, seventeen and B twenty, four's we're gonNA come over and then we had B Twenty Six's and twenty five. So the point I'm making is that with Napalm with destroyed seventy percent of the urban core but we could have unleashed five, six, seven, thousand bombers from from Okinawa. We were building runways when the war ended and just absolutely incinerated that island without invading perhaps. And then people said No. Let's not do that, and the idea was will let's strap final option. Let's drop one or two bombs in Tokyo Bay and People's discuss what what if it doesn't work we've never detonated the plutonium bomb we've done the uranium bomb but if we do the plutonium moments dud, what are we GONNA do? We do pre drop the uranium mom? And it goes off what if they say so what we have the only half, the Tony Bomb, and what if it doesn't work then we'll look like idiots and they'll be emboldened than we're not gonNA have another bomb for six to eight weeks, and then maybe not another a fourth one. So they were very worried and other people did some calculations. If you drop a bomb in the ocean is not really going to be spectacular it's gotta hit a surface and so they thought well. Let's drop these two bombs and we don't the the deaths are under dispute, but it was somewhere from seventy five to one hundred and fifty thousand and in terms of terrible calculus aboard probably saved millions of lives that decision and yet that decision. In the calm of peace and affluence in two thousand and twenty as often critiqued by people who were not on Okinawa and they were not. In a prisoner of war camp in Burma and they were not Chinese civilians being butchered by the Japanese. Let me move you from Japan to another one of the Axis powers namely Germany because. Here again in the past echoes in the present in your most recent syndicated column, you spent some time talking about the current state of US German relations, and of course, one of the long term impacts of the war was the American military presence in Germany and the creation of NATO and their attentions there. Now, especially, with a draw down of twelve thousand American troops that are currently stationed there, that'll still leave twenty, four, thousand but angle miracle the chancellor is upset about this. Where are we at this point in the US German relationship? Where should we be headed? Well. The pupil took a survey right after Obama was. Roundly condemned in Germany remember he tapped the cellphone communications key meaning his intelligence agencies, CIA NSA or Pentagon. Of German leaders and that was about. fifty fifty then in anger versus support for Americans according to polls, and now it's it's even worse under trump but the point is that. When you pull should American troops stay to protect Germany and anchor NATO half Germans now almost forty, forty, eight percent say no. And when you ask which country are you least impressed with? China rates higher than does the United States in most in many German polls? Its way over fifty percent negative. It's the most negative country in Europe in their views toward America. Then when you add in the idea that they run up anywhere from fifty five to seventy, billion dollars per year in asymmetrical trade surpluses in the tariffs if you look at them carefully, they're not symmetrical reciprocal. and. Then you ask yourself well, maybe it's because they don't have the wherewithal while they're the fifth largest after China the United States. Japan. Excuse me. They're probably the fourth largest of economy in the world they're the largest economy in Europe the European Union. has almost the same size aggregate. Cheap, a GDP that we do. So there's not. It's hard to know what what's behind this in seventy five years after the war and she said. Thirty years after the Cold War and so. According to Germany, the threat is Russia. And therefore, they need troops Russia's not bordering Germany's board anymore I mean it's not East Germany Poland I. mean any more in the sense it's not world. War. Two the Russian armies in Berlin so why not put some troops in Poland or the Baltic states or to reassure the Italians or the Belgian that's what trump did and it doesn't help the German cause to cut a ten billion dollar gas deal with Putin and then say Putin is an existential threat to the West. Our than to boycott meetings with trump. So I give Americans are pretty easy going seventy five percent Americans like Germans. I liked Germans but. that. That relationships unsustainable and the United States is not going to subsidize the defense of a wealthy power that runs up a surplus against end does not like Americans in polls to that effect. And I. think that's what. We're getting out and then you gotta ask Merckel at what point should there not be US troops there to protect you seventy five years after world, War Two Hundred Years Fifty Years Hundred Years after the Cold War She has no answers for that and then finally and I'm getting a little windy. But she promised in two thousand fourteen that she would spend two percent of their GDP on military expenditures. Everybody looked toward Germany and when she didn't do that not only didn't do it. We're not GONNA do it. What are you GONNA do about? It will then every other country thought you know what? Why should the Belgium to the French or the Spanish? Grease did because it's afraid of Turkey but. An example. So there's not a lot of arguments there and trump left as you said, twenty four thousand, which is more than any other NATO, country But the relationships going down in the final cabinet as Lord Lord.' May said NATO served keep Russians out. American. Germans down in we've forgotten that but after two world wars, the idea was the we were a trip wire and that's the only thing that concerns me. That if we do leave entirely. GERMAN NATIONALISM Will start to be a little bit more aggressive than it is. It's pretty aggressive now on questions, of Eastern, Europe in southern Europe and Brexit wait treats its neighbors but I think it'll be more so. One of the things that makes the study of history so much more interesting once you get a sense for it. Is the importance of contingency. How just a few changes here there can put us on a sometimes dramatically different course. When you're looking back, World War Two, what do you think of is the most important contingencies the things that had gone a different way we'd be looking at a very different world. Well, I think a couple of things that we don't talk about is that when Hitler invaded Poland in September, first Japan was in a war. A war with the Soviet Union along mention and in Mongolia and when they cut that deal a week before they went in the ribbentrop molotov pack cut the legs out of Japan. So Japan decided then to conclude an embarrassing peace with. Soviet Union in April April forty-one, a nonaggression pact, and that took Japan out of that theater. So that meant that if Hitler were to invade the Soviet Union, it would be a one front war for Soviet Union and that would be come back to haunt the Germans when he transferred Siberian troops on the. Shirt that Japan would never invade from the east one I'm getting out is that if you look at the e U Today By April nineteen, forty one it was pretty much all in German control or Spain Portugal and other countries like Sweden in the end Sweden were neutral Ireland. And there was no formidable enemies Britain couldn't be subdued by air or sea, but it was incapable of taking back any of that land United States was never going to invade. Never going to invade the continent aunt zone at probably would have never gone to war, and so there were one or two things happen once. Hitler. decided to invade the Soviet Union. He pretty much threw away all of the conquest that he had acquired in since thirty not since September first thirty nine and he got himself into something he said that would never happen. That was a two front war as I'm going in the Soviet Union the British will we won't have a to fun where they'll collapse when they see that we beaten Russia the opposite happened. And Japan and looked at this and the German army was outside of Moscow on. December seventh and they said to themselves the army said, will you guys pulled the rug out of us? We were fighting the Russians and now what are we going to do and the navy said well, you're not up to western standards. We are ships or planes are better. than the British the Americans. So the idea was that Russia would soon fall. And Germany would be in control and Japan then could take over the Pacific because with the invasion of Europe. In thirty nine. The all there were no colonial powers of existed anymore. I mean the Dutch east indies didn't exist. It was Japan's to be hat and French Indo China did not franc French government didn't exist. It was just take it over. And they thought you know the same thing's going to happen with Britain will just take Singapore Hong Kong and the Americans. They didn't fight when London was bumped. So what I'm getting out is the the invasion of the Soviet Union the circumstances surrounded it turned a very successful series of border wars for Germany, which they won in probably could've kept into a world war A in. Japan felt misread the situation and attacked us and suddenly. When you combined the United States the British Empire and the Soviet Union and you look at production levels, GDP, population, and a global war across seven continents. That was a war that the economies and the population of Italy and Japan Jimmy just couldn't wage. They were very successful local border where wars in their spheres of influence but. That dependent on not getting the Soviet Union and not getting the United States, mobilized against them. So that was the the those decisions of Japan attacking us, which was one way some ways predicated on the Russian experience in Hitler not going into Russia take that away in the war would have been different I'm afraid. There are so many figures from World War Two, but on the political side of things in the military side of things. Who Loom Large Memories Loom Large in our histories in the research for your book and really careers worth of research on this topic. Are there any figures from World War Two? Who you think of is especially important to the war but not adequately recognized or appreciated by the general public? Yes. I do and one of them Was Admiral Nimitz and he was remember he had to he was in charge of the Pacific Fleet and he had to deal with macarthur who was a very talented but egocentric and self. Self, adulatory person and he was able to allow MacArthur to have some of the fleet in go on his. Circuitous route via the Philippines and then he joined with Marines and they worked out a system that did not. A hurt MacArthur's dignity in did not really hurt the American effort and then he was a complete tactician it was kind of like an Eisenhower. In, the way that he dealt with Halsey or MacArthur and others, and he was a great man other was Curtis Lemay, the B twenty nine program two, billion dollars a bigger investment than the Manhattan Tomic bomb project was defunct by more February nineteen, forty five, the bombers had engine problems. They were a precision instrument that had not been tried out sufficiently they were losing a number of planes and crews to. Pilot Air in a mechanical failure the jet stream of Japan made it impossible in this guy comes along picks over in early nineteen, forty five tries to do the Orthodox precision bombing and says, you know what? It doesn't work. I'm going to put these planes down five to seven thousand feet. Well, why didn't you tell us? We divide a designed. A dive bomber he can't do that. It's a highly technical machine. He said, you know what? All our problems are solved. We don't have to wear out the engines going up to thirty thousand feet. We can load up with a big bomb load low. We don't have to precision bomb. We dropped the bombs of the jet stream is not our enemy. It will Waf-. We got this new thing called Dupont napalm. We dropped the napalm. The win helps us we're going to go in at night like the British did. Whatever we think of that change, the complexion, the Asian we burned out seventy percent of the urban core of the corporate and industrial core of Japan nobody quite understands how he did that are. and. Then there were a number of gifted submarine commanders in the Pacific that when you look at. The Lockwood and others when you look at the types of submarines that we were using. And the tactics we were using and the kill ratios and the amount of tonnage we were sinking. And you compare that to the U Boat Campaign in every category American submarines were superior in craftsmanship size lethality commanders strategic. Direction. And for their brief two and a half years and lethality. So we don't recognize it enough. So there were a lot of people I could go on but. usually it's it's the people that we do think are by. Connick were good people but. In terms of military talent I'm not sure that Omar Bradley was great. Hero everybody says he was much MacArthur quite was. Compared to these other people that we kind of sometimes. Forgets kind of like the civil war, which it's Grant League Brantley. We don't realize that there were some brilliant people like Sherman and to a lesser extent. Thomas Sheridan one final question on our way out. So we've got a holiday weekend coming up soon people who are interested in this topic should obviously be using that time to read your body two World Wars. But once they're done, they're what are two or three other essential books people should read if they're interested in World War Two. Well As far as just the chronicle of year-by-year I I'm a I'm a big fan of Andrew Roberts. Storm War call again who we all know it's very good book. there's another one. World, arms and It's a strategic geo-strategic account. Of Why the war started and how it took place. Why it took place where it took place and remember the author just a second, but it's it's brilliant. There's Williamson Murray. has written a number of books on a General Book Award Abi be one and that that's a very good because he's an expertise in air power and he has some fascinating. Analysis of the LUFTWAFFE's for example, and why the Americans destroyed it quickly as they did. The he brings up things that no. One would ever imagine like how many hours were were work required for Luke Wafa pilot, how much gas was required, and then he comes to the conclusion that. Basically, they were coffins were sending kids with no experience up. Training, American pilots by nineteen forty, five pillows it those great books Morrison's hit a multi volume, his of the American. War in the Pacific the US Navy official histories really good i. mean it's very windy and nineteenth century like Prescott, but it's very Very accurate. and. That's another great book. All right. You've been listening to the classes this podcast Victor Davis Hanson. Remember you can read all the victors work, Victor Hansen, dot com and on twitter at Vdi Hanson, and if you enjoyed the show, please read it on Itunes or wherever you get your podcast for Victor Davis Hanson I'm cynic. Thanks for listening to. This. 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422 - Can We Beat 9? (5/25/20)

Chapo Trap House

1:26:49 hr | 1 year ago

422 - Can We Beat 9? (5/25/20)

"So running down the list of Democratic candidate appearances on the breakfast club. We've got Starting with Hillary Clinton's famous Hot Sauce in the perse incident hot sauce in the perse. Kamala Harris saying I I smoked weed and listens to listen to to pock mix tapes and college before to Park was even a solo artist We have Charlemagne particularly Humiliating Elizabeth Warren and making her look like to be a fool. That is tough to do. I mean Meghan McCain pull it off so it's clearly difficult well. I liked the show with Warren because he was just like well. Like how are you? Were Republican when they were doing all this evil shit and she was just like Oh. I wasn't political then like I wasn't paying attention to politics. She was just a loss that money and the bag she was like literally in like a college. Republicans or something like and yeah no. Charlemagne just said to her like he was like you thought you were native American and then like you thought your Republican. He was like you. Just you sound confused. Shoes Spurt Lori is Christie's brothers. Does it was funny like Charlemagne and and the breakfast club as a platform for these political interviews. It's like he's like they're really not going out of their way. Did you like Gotcha questions. Or like. Like come up with like embarrassing soundbites with that. They're like looking to catch them out. They just get good material by asking them fairly normal questions that because they're not normal. People Commute smokes lizard as their lizards. And take someone's baseline sort of normal nece. They always do that stupid thing where they're like. How much does a gallon of milk cost right? And it's like no they learn those things laminated card in their wallet. Prices on IT THEY HAVE. They have a dossier on normal people. Which by the way I regularly. I just wrote at the basket. I don't I don't look at how much milk costs it's not. It's not my most expensive item so I tend not to. I couldn't tell you how much a gallon of milk cost versus Auber Liberty. Wile out on even would. I was super broke. I was just like well. It's milk I originally dot my high priced item. I don't think I could tell you how much a gallon of milk cost because I never buy milk in the gallon size because then I have to carry it home and it's just you heavy curry. I'll get a pintor little guy. I don't buy milk because it's US our suss because it's too spicy for him. It's actually yes. Well I mean this is all what by way of introducing both show show. Hello welcome me again and and your friends but just Joe Biden just appeared on the breakfast club. He was interviewed by Charlemagne. And you know I made a lot of headlines just because of how hard he was leaving and I would like to spend some time talking about Joe Vibe. And obviously like the thing that everyone has been incensed about or making fun of or talking about is the is the clip at the end of the interview where are pointing interview but like it's the clip. Everyone shared where Joe Biden's just like. Hey Hey hey listen Mac. If you vote for Joe you ain't black. It's sort of like he was he was just like sort of the It's the bad podcast guest thing that I think we all fall victim to where you're just you're trying to rift too hard and everything is just like false flat. Sometimes you fall out of the rift zone and you get into race play. It's all happened to was. It all happened like I will never forget when I went on my favorite podcasts daily Michael Barbro and spent like I. I had already done a good two hours about the you know the the morning show primary as we called it. And who's winning the primary than I ruined the whole interview by talking about if the Nintendo Kirby was a Korean gentle and I had a very offensive impression of a Korean mad. I greatly regret and I haven't been invited on the program since is just sort of sad to see. Joe How the same thing. Abadi Joe Avoidable. Mistakes Biden. Go on come down I like. It's a the the clip was funny. You know I'm obviously I'm sympathetic to Joe because I know what it's like when you know a rift doesn't work you know you flex too hard and it's just it didn't come across right. You much better shot. You just lay in the cut. Pick your spots and then also sort of display like disdain for the person you're talking to like that's that's the correct riffing you on their podcast. You're above them. Yes exactly lower than Shit and you should spread your wings and do the riffs you know are good. It's not a good time to experiment. Like Joe is like Joe's probably in the group. Dm without one he's like. I've been thinking about This new one and like the promise Josie Group dealing with too many. Yes men who are like. That's because he's probably the biggest account in there. Yeah yeah that's a great rift Joe. And so he just sorta like really didn't test it out before so he doesn't have the perfect balance of like a group. Dm that has like three people that are like Completely incapable of taking care of themselves. Enter just funny because they can't really function very well in society people who get caught shoplifting cleaning chemicals you need like a few like at least one or two normal dad's Who are like involved family men. There's a Gamer contingency. One girl a guy who never says anything except once a month and it's the funniest thing like it's a very delicate balance in Joe Biden's case. The girl is a needed done though. So I think that's where some of the advice is coming from and also crucially crucially to the got. The Guy who shows up once a month lurks the rest of the time and then shut just shows up once a month to tell you about what's going on in his life religiously. Hey Hey hey everybody Like I I got I got. I got an oil change for my car. And He sends you a picture of what it looks like under the hood. Nice Carmen. Cool all right. Just a great guy and you're happy there so obviously like the clip of Joe Biden's failed. Riff is the one getting of burnt. But of course ah immediately when people started like making fun of that or or you know even implying that was perhaps racist of Joe Biden to say you black if you're not voting for joked Joe Jack is that all of the all the people who've spent like all of last year convincing everyone that Bernie Sanders and his supporters are racists and found every way to just tell me you have to listen to the whole interview to get the context of what triggered. Joe Into saying that you know what I took their advice and saw the rest of the interview and people really really missed a beat by making this thing that everyone talked about because there is a lot of other great stuff in this Joe Biden interview that I've I've been assured is okay to say it's an okay thing to say it's not bad it's not wrong and certainly shouldn't affect your judgment of his character or morality in saying these things never and I would just like to go through on some of the clips. From the Joe Biden Charlemagne interview that I have gotten unfairly Sort of shunted aside and this this this pseudo controversy in many ways he's He's suffering from his own success. He had this one hit wonder and no one really listens to the deep cuts. I think that's a that's a biden thing all right so Chris once you pull up the The first one the first clip. Which is I've titled Carnival Games and I would like to just give a thank you to Jack. Allison who is the one who actually pulled these clips and compiled them for us here so Yeah let's let's. What's that clip Joe Biden Talks About Carnival Games yet. We we know polls polls can be illusion though you know we. We looked at all the poll. The twenty six th to and look what are different man. Twenty sixteen totally different. But you had then as you had somebody who didn't they didn't know at all. They wanted to change the system. The way it was he was the biggest change. She had no serious opposition that turned out to materialize and So it's totally different right now. We're in a situation where it's like. You know that Carney show goes through town wants and you find out. There's no fee under any one of those three shells to get pushed around next time it comes back to back ain't playing figure. Let me tell you something. Mike communities figured out a while ago. But here's the deal when I have to do is I have to continue to talk about things and the things that matter are for example fairness out of Columbia University and the Disease Control Centre. Up pointed out that if he had listened to me and others acted just one week earlier to deal with his virus. There'd be thirty six thousand fewer people dead dead dead and you guys are wondering what are we. What's he doing? Come on go through so much Rachel on here I wanna I wanNA say the thing I love. Most about Joe's verbal style is like whatever he has to end a sentence. He's like Oh shit I don't know where. How do I even get in here? Man Start Yelling to get out of it. It's like He. Ecco locates his way out of a sentence. You saw like when he was what it was his like when the first debate his closing statement was hilarious it was something like I remember with John McCain said. Carry my coffee. I says an honor man. You're never man that's what it's all about. And then he's like. Oh no how do I get out of this? And that's what it's all about how he's like. He's the middle of this thing about this study. That like God knows how that's being filtered in his brain and Carney show which is a great thing to call carnival and the P. Under the shell who he's like. Oh Man. I don't recognize this neighborhood. I wonder what their families dead. What the place where. They work the growed. Okay so yeah I just I feel distribute this clip of Biden pays such tribute to. You feel. Looks like he has more one biden than than than than Joe Biden was before. You guys did that episode. And I'd like I think you guys should take some no small amount of credit for willingness into being like is becoming that guy with more and more with every passing day I mean just talking about the carnival game with the in it and then when he says we got we got beat them. He's got to beat them by talking about what's important like I said I'm saying that after this anecdote about a p game at Kearney show them and then the other thing like I it starts out with him saying like Charlemagne is bringing up the reasonable point that while national polls may baby or even state ones maybe showing him with a good lead on trump. Right now We know based on prior experience that those can be. Perhaps you know fool's gold where we shouldn't put too much stock in them. And then he just immediately like strongman raw twenty sixteen totally different totally different than now and twenty sixteen is so like is he saying that trump had no serious opposition like he beat sixteen candidates in the also does hilary ca just owning hillary their case That's pretty funny. If he's essentially saying Hillary wasn't actually competition too. Well we know that Joe Resents Hillary. So like of course. Yeah I mean. She sold the spot like he clearly was going to run in. Two Thousand Sixteen Obama talked him out of it and then he allowed that to happen and they look back like that was my shot and snout tormented about it until he gets there man. That was the last year of my good brain. Man actually cut us off. President remembered some of it man. I didn't get lost in the senators before that and shout so much man and what I like about. This is that he's using the metaphor of of the Carnival Barker of the big top Grafter fleecing pigeons on on the boardwalk or whatever with three card Monte or whatever to as a stand in for trump and the election and he was like twenty sixteen. Was the election where. We all got fleeced by We figured out. We couldn't actually throw that ring over the thing that would let us get the giant Teddy Bear. Then he's like and then you know and then you realize when there's no p under the Cup you learn you come back and it's just like if he's using this as a metaphor for American democracy and like sort of amoral huxterism endemic representative vis-a-vis trump. He he's got it all backwards like the whole point of this country. Is that like go back to the P. Cup game every single fucking time. Joe Biden is proof positive at he's the nominee because somebody fucking of are still going back to the Obama Carnival game where they didn't have their entire the the middle class basically wiped out and replaced with GIG economy hamster wheel misery even where the fucking covert or whatever the like even explaining that the game is rigged is no barrier to a line around the block of potential contestants. Because they've wanted they want to figure it out. They think they're smarter than it. That's why works like Joe should be coming up with a better a better game. He should be doing the little the BB gun game or the ring awesome. He should be providing a better rid game for people to play. Certainly I mean and also I have never seen. That's like three card Monte Right. I every variation of three card Monte at a novel. I'm just GonNa say that I mean it's no different with cups and appea- seen the P and the cups either actually ordering toss it's ring toss. It's gets the gun. It's spring the vote water in the clown's mouth so that you can win the the horse race throwing a baseball for milk bottles. Yeah It's got to be some sort of infrastructure to do. Some guys got like ten next to the carnival with fucking in it. I think is where he went. Joe Where did you go with with the Carnival Man But yeah there was no carnival in town Joe but but all of this in like the subsequent clips as well but just just just Joe Jr the personality the figure of Jovan in this moment in his life and the World Large User Felix. I'm coming around to the position that it is more more likely that Joe Biden will win this election and maybe even win it easily because Felix as you pointed out. He's become funnier than trump to like. Listen to and talk to you like it is. It's the dumbest possible outcome. It's the one that will lead to people not only not learning anything but like erasing shit that they might have already learned. You know what I mean like. It's the perfect capstone the last decade decade and a half of the culture where it's like every every fucking media concern that's owned by a guy in the emperor suit from war hammer forty thousand Just the most evil fucking conce alive They stopped writing articles about how we need to well. They still wrote articles about how we need to take care. The deficit by incinerating people on Medicaid but They began like telling you being more didactic. Like cynically optic social justice in academic language and every Netflix's thing became like a a Mike dropping marathon with no jokes it was this liberal tigger liberal anxiety that took her the culture that accelerated when trump won and when trump won. They're like we were gonNA take on the structural problems that led to this and it led to just a few years of the shittiest culture ever. Because they don't actually have a political solution to it and all they could think of was just like being very Tactic to people and coming up with the weirdest work around the problems of American culture. But what would be a better outcome for that? A better for this least memorable stretch of American culture for just a man with no memory. Who gets in there and erases all of that? We just go back to like the culture of two thousand eight and the political culture. Two Thousand Eight. None of this fucking meant anything. We just get this man. Whose brain is brewed temperature. Shit and he wins not because of like all this shit that like Democrats and the liberal media pretending to care about. It turns out no one cared about that. If you look at what happened in the primary he wins because most Americans are like. Oh Joe abundance stupid like my boss. Who voted for him? No but like I mean talking about before it's like whether it's basically a racing all all of the the the culture and politics of me to pretty much overnight like he's also destroyed like it's like a the politics of If you're an old white guy you can't say shit like Hey Listen Mac. Your passes revoked. If your vote for my opponent you know what I mean. And and all the same people are assuring us now. This is fine and good and yeah remember. These people found five hundred reasons. Why you were raised through when Medicare for all Joe Biden is like you could practically just see like his lawn jockey in the frame of the interviews that it's like they're like oh that's actually a cool and what the thing is most people like they don't give a shit about that certainly apparently based on the outcome. Black voters certainly. Don't give a shit about any of this. No we look who they voted for. They voted voted for this guy so it must not bother them in the same way. But I'm just saying like I I know I know this is cheap to do but imagine if Bernie Sanders had said anything like this did in this interview right like we like like he. He would've been made to drop out like the day after. I was telling you now that this is fine. It's okay right because none of these clearly. None of these people who fucking ever gave a shit about this and your fool if you ever thought you could square the circle like either whether it was democratic socialist values and social values or whatever to show them how good you are doing because it was never about that. Yeah I also like literally you have to view any sort of opportunity to talk to them or debate them as essentially a show. You're putting on for an audience of people that might be amenable because you're not actually trying to convince them of anything lay. Yeah they're they're they're signature. It depends on them continuing to sell this bullshit. Like all the other tap dancing and mental gymnastics go into defending Biden. It's really defending their own place in the discourse and saying okay. I still have to defend item because I'm part of this media political complex notice the Democratic Party but I'm not just a dumb ass who is hostage to the whims of the senile old maniac. No let me let me tell you why this actually isn't bad and you have somebody like Hannah Jones. The lady who That Hannah Jones. Who helped who got Pulitzer I think? Yes you to the six by the way for a for that. Entire project is a historical mess like because it's hard to describe racism as like the fundamental thing that shape American not its mode of production. You're saying in terms of like basic fact checking well yes. It's all motivating thesis is ridiculous but also like like every like you know. American historian is like losing their shit that this is sort of bullshit that were fucking like now being it's now being exported into curriculums because a lot of schools by the way are very underfunded and this is an NGO now like the sixty nine to project is is is an NGO now and So they'll just take the fucking they'll do whatever will take the money were underfunded so that has become a part of the curriculum like they've strong-armed their way into public schools by the way that is going to result in a pretty bad understandable reactionary backlash. And you have to like it. Because Ben Shapiro doesn't like it means it has to be good right but her whole project has been saying no forget capitalism. Sh- methodism miss missing with without white nonsense. Racism is the only real thing racist the only real thing and then when Biden says this actually you can be black. You could be white if you vote for. You could be black if you vote for Democrats. I guess because I mean if you if you're not black and you are if you're a black person who doesn't vote Democrat then you're not a black person. According to what she's she was implying that means by the transit of property. A white person who votes for Democrats can't be lack person so she destroys her tire her entire length of ideology for like for a half a day's worth of relief from the pressure of being a fucking public biden supporter and the intellectual humiliation. That goes along with that it's astounding take about If you yeah you have a mom whose mom and dad there like. You knew him before they were like well. Meaning like John Kerry Bill Clinton whatever voters and then like for the past five years just every time you talk to them. You're like yeah. My Momma debtor like really into black women talk like well. It's all they talk about. It's like they're both weighed. All the people they know are white anyone after this way but all they talk about is like have the grace of a black woman like. It's very weird like the the racial politics in the last few years that have been made for consumption are bizarre because the result is just it's through marvel brain and it's like these white people just like. Oh what's the best kind? Oh a black woman. Yeah no that's my favorite and EPA what Biden means what Biden means if wins is like your parents will stop doing that Navarro. We'll stop talking about like black girl about like it just. It's a license for these people to stop doing this. Basically I think why it was so easy for a Lotta. These people like jump on. I mean like yeah basically. Everyone does Rachel. Dole is all a huge apology. Absolutely like and I mean the other the other move to come out of this is to say it's you know like this is a bit awkward. But like it's for reasons like this Joe Biden and really needs issue. Stacey Abrams says his VP. Or a black woman or Kamala Harris right so that they can prevent him or like from making gaffes like this or show that he understands and it's just like well. What are you going to do if he doesn't like you've already? You've already said that like it is like if you don't vote for Joe Biden like you were morally diseased in some way or like you know you're throwing every every poor and marginalized person into a fucking like corn thresher by not voting for this astle. And it's just like well. What are you GonNa do if he doesn't usually picks Amy Klobuchar? You've you've a position for yourself where you have no leverage. Here we are. We are not on this show since Bernie dropped out. We're not demanding anything of Joe Biden or the Democrat Party. Yeah no who gives a shit problem? Yeah that's demand that he like nominate are like that. He had a black woman. Vp It's fucking stupid to release a statement saying he should drop out like it's just stupid like it has nothing to do with you. You're just talking to hear yourself talk. At least we know that like. That's the purpose of a podcast. I also know like maybe tasteful to you personally but voters don't give a fuck about any of this. They like Joe Biden because he says shit like if you vote for Joe you ain't Black Jack. Lake they look stupid old band you one last night and that's why yes old bed bad grandpa if you even going after him like you don't have any credit for shit like that. You don't have any credibility anymore if you were any. One of. The people who tried to assassinate are beautiful created. Rachel you're already proven yourself as like a humorless person who tried to just you know destroy the life of a harmless eccentric that just so happen to absorb all of the incoherence of America's racial politics in a creative and charming by the way. And so like why? Would anyone listen to you like literally? You're not going to assassinate job. Biden's character you don't have any credibility no-one shares your values. I tried to assassinate Joe Biden's and it didn't work so I'm enjoying it I okay. Let's let's let's see another couple clubs from the job. The Joe Biden inter alia other gems these delicious bonds. Yeah that I don't know if you saw a couple of weeks ago on SEAN COMBS. You Might. You might know him. His diddy include myself feel in the Democrats take black voters for granted. We know Boats equipped pro pro right now. Like I don't WanNa vote. I just want to know what candidates will do fuss and exchange vote the same way young Progressive Latino the LGBT community absolutely commits. We want the same thing. Do you feel like black. People are old at the Democratic Art. Absolutely Bob what would I say? Remember when I said Biden can't win primaries yes I like to everybody's out I need you to say that you do. I won overwhelming. That told you when I got to South Carolina. I won every single county. I WANNA larger share. The black vote than anybody has including Barack. I am. Priest voted Virginia overwhelmingly by seventy percent. Look what people know about me. Is I come from a state. Is the eight largest black population in America? The eighth largest. I get ninety. Six percent of that vote for the last forty years is. They're the folks as they say. My Way Brung me to the dance. That's how I got elected every single time and everybody shocked. I get overwhelming support from the Black Leadership. Young and old every poll shows me way ahead. And it's not just here. This Ohio Wasserman Young Guard look at the polling data. Falling catalysts sets off by half. Give me a little break. You okay all right I got I got I got. I got to break this down. So Sherwin begins by asking and articulating like a very simple and easy to understand point that so many people are offended by Charlemagne are our Guess Publishing Label Mate He has some goofy political opinions but like what he says here is essentially like do you think. Democrats take black voters for granted and that like in voting for a politician. It's a quid. Pro Quo. Like you vote for a politician because you expect something in return from them right about something completely different. Yes okay so the question is like if you assume. A model of the voter should get something. Politicians should do something for the people who vote for them and you should expect them to The Standard Liberal Democrat brain is that that is deeply. That's blasphemy to describe that like that that that politicians need to do something for you. Buy It outside of not being a Republican. You say okay. So then then he says do you think that Democrats take the black vote for grant and then he proceeds to rattle off again a couple of actual lies. I don't think he did win. A bigger share of the black vote in the South Carolina. Primary Than Barack Obama did and nor do I think polls show that. He has overwhelming black support under the age of forty one. Though I'm sure he know against trump does okay for sure of course what. What percentage of that people? What percentage of that group? We're GONNA vote for him or are gonNA come out like if you're talking about people weren't going to vote. We know what the turnout is for younger. Voters of all races. It's dog ship. Which means most of them don't like him and what I like about this is the question is Do you think Democrats take the black vote for granted and then his answer says that. I for forty years. I've got ninety nine percent of the black vote every black person votes for me. So like fuck you like. He gets this and then he gets angry at the implication that he's taking the ninety nine like his unbroken record of you know winning the support every black person for granted by not answering the question and just staying like literally taking all those votes for granted by saying why have them. So how can anyone question it exactly? Because they have no answer anymore. The Democratic Party has been stripped of any enticement to vote for them positively obviously economic platform but with Biden. They don't even have representational benefits for minority groups who would like to see someone of their group in a high position all they have is not Republican and so when he's pushed because he doesn't have a brain anymore all that's left is like the reptile brain response which is dominant obey you. I own you because I am the only thing standing between you and what you imagined to be the apocalypse unrestrained Republican government and. Nobody wants to the reason. These are gaffes. Because you're supposed to pretty that up you're supposed to deny it's true but he doesn't have the bandwidth anymore to pull out anything because there's nothing to do except use flowery words to get around the whole at the center of it and he is not very flowery these days yeah. I mean Hillary Hillary to her credit was understood what the purpose of this question was She'd talk about like yes. Some weird like meanstested thing like similar to the Kamal thing. Like if you got a pell grant and started a small business blah blah blah like a uniquely bub-bubba. Pete anyone like name. Anyone Michael Bennett would know how to do this. Joe Doesn't but maybe that's kind of why people just fell in line for Joe. Every can we. The Primary. We were making analogs. Were burning twenty. Twenty Two trump twenty sixteen and it worked in some ways but it ultimately fell apart and the recent fell apart is because the Republican base is obstinate. And they know exactly what they want. The Democratic base falls in line. They are more malleable than the Republican Base. And they don't like it when their own parties attacked unlike the Republican base. Yeah they love it when you get your mean to Republicans because they think they're all rhinos. Yeah but who is democratic trump? That it's Joe Biden embodying all of. He's such a mere image. There's the fucking family self-dealing the mental collapse. There's just decades and decades of baggage that you'd think disqualify him and no one gives a shit. It's it's shocking. It shocking. What trump did or what what what by did rather with burst of and hunter is like. It's a fucking Mir of trump family bird brain bullshit. They both have the same shitty type of corruption. That results in their small imaginations. They're both these entitled old pieces of Shit and that's also what people like about both of them and like the answer to his question though is like when he was just like well like yeah like you know what what do you owe like black voters and like his answer is basically will have ninety. Five percent of them are going to vote for me. No matter what I do why do I owe them anything? And he's kind of point honestly if trump was if trump got ninety six percent of the like if trump had like got ninety six percent of the black. But that's exactly what he would say. Look they love me? Look at how much they love me right. So it's like this is the perfect mirror election and they both reflect their Their party's base like the older. The older people who make up the base of both parties in terms of who votes in primaries specifically they saw the guy. And they're like that's basically me want him to be President. They got representation but just old cranky senile miserable prick who is also hilarious. No He's he's funnier that he's funnier than trump is now. I think that's why he's a very good position to win this election. I think they held this lecture today. Joe Biden would win. I think there's a lot that could happen though. Like I think if I had to bet what's going to happen no November. I still favor trump to win a little more. I think this was even Biden with his brain from two years ago. He would stop trump but the problem. That Biden's going to have in this election. Is that the worst thing he can look like is what he is which is stupid baby who needs to be and it's GonNa be very easy for team trump to make it look that way. Oh did you see the interview where they asked him? When do you th- when the interviewer asked him? What do you think Joe Joe Biden. What does he bring the campaign? What are his strengths? Is An opponent and he goes. Well I was GONNA say experience. Potato Dove remembers anything. He's when you have someone the president saying that all day and you have no way of rebutting it. Because what do you do have them? Go Out and talk to prove these wrong. Come on man I remember my life. Who are you kidding? Recall Events Mad at suspenders. I remember he'll just describe John. Don Draper's Childhood. Hobo stood out of the fence posts. Does it was easy to take a man's identity. I name is Joe Biden Man. Lobbying semi what Korea. I knew I didn't want to go back to the bar. Man couldn't even grow any sorghum hitting a lot of people said listen Jack. People said my dad was an untrustworthy man but they were just doing graffiti and he's not even my dad. He's just owns a whorehouse. I was raised in Jack. All right. Well listen listen. I'm sorry talking about Main Street. Come up like who do you. Can I met I met Conrad Hilton? Okay you black face at your own wedding. That's one thing. I should said that I talked too much. Gosh tax credit man. Ben Is my absolute favorite thing that he does and I hope he does it more and more and I think he will is when he realizes that he is blind alley of of of a sentence and instead of yelling just of goes shucks. I messed that up. Those are the two ways he gets instantly. He's either Joe Biden's verbal style. Now is walking into the wrong house. boy he can do are like what the hell are you doing in my house out here or off? Sorry I you come home. He's in your living room making a sandwich refrigerator. And you're like Oh my God how the Hell Did you get my house? And then he just goes. They're dead man by the way. That's the one thing that could actually fuck this up for him because obviously if they beat trump a big reasons because enough people blame him for all the dead people. Thanks to this virus and it hurts your case when you hit that hard because then people really do it as an instrumental. As you're taking you literally are politicizing. And obviously that's an absurd thing to say it's a dumb belief everything's politicized certainly during a political campaign but people think that way people do have that idea of like it's Tawdry to exploit death for politics and you could get around that if you if you if you finesse it but just yelling. Fed is not going to do that. Yeah it's like he's happy about it because it's giving him a chance to be president. Okay let's let's let's watch. Let's watch another Joe Biden clip. Hell yes Wisconsin. Keep Rolling this. I believe this is him talking about the Crime Bill. I didn't job a country club kind of job with a at a swimming pool. Our only white employee knee sobs wanted to work at a project. He's wanted to understand how I got involved in politics. That's what this is all about. It's about equality it's about it's about treating people with respect and so when you take a look my record people talk about the crime. Bill Crime Bill. Increase mass incarceration a wordings increased. Mass incarceration and the reason. Why if you go back and look and I know you talk about it you go back and take a look. That's why you had the vast majority of the Black Caucus at the time supporting a crime bill. Almost every major city black mayor supporters the crime. Bill because blacks were getting killed overwhelmingly. Well okay now the one thing I will say that I truly love about this is the Joe Biden will always have lax friends supporters admirers than any of the women who say things like black twitter. Ain't having no Bernie like any of the women that use like a black women gifts as hieroglyphics as sort of like avatars assassinates who so badly so badly. What a black friend. Never have the number of friends admirers or supporters. That are black that Joe Biden does and that that makes me feel so good. It's there is no one part of that is though because he was the fastest white boy in the big ten was this interview because obviously Felix has talked about. How Joe Biden? Is Dan Quinn? But it occurred me. That trump is demoniac. Acts that this is yes he is the this is the. This is the Youtube Maniac election and it's DEMONIAC X versus. Joe Dan Quinn and I gotta say we're at the state if we're at the terminal state were all we can do is watch things fall apart in the most amusing and root for the most amusing a combination of falling objects. You can't beat that really by the way I gotta say. I am trying to figure out how to stop looking into the Snow Globe and make everyone realise the last ten years. I was just sort of daydreaming. I'm like trying to do it. Dan. I'm really trying. We're living here. Fucking dying D empty fantasy. No this is saint elsewhere. Yeah Yeah I do. I want to talk about Dan. Trump as Domoni. Sex cassettes genius. I never thought about that. Like trump if trump was born poor he would be DELMONICO's. It's like the high access Hollywood and demoniac inaugural rant about Flashlights and having the bitch over there on that bed and I was railing like tomorrow. It's just like you don't believe I've had sack so let me talk about sex in the lease sexual turn ever ever possible. They're so they're so similar. It's it's incredible. I mean Dimona Sachs's actually doing much better now. He's on an arc of self-improvement that Donald Trump would never have. But it is. Joe Is so Dan Quinn because I like I feel like maybe one percent of historians are true. They're gone yeah. It's it's it's incredible. This is the perfect end to American culture empire. The guy ended his vote on the crime bill by saying he worked at a at a fucking swimming pool. Flip Dan Quinn would say if he was and then he also and then he also said the crime. Bill did not result in mass incarceration and then defends if by saying black people supported. It did for you. That's true talking about black politicians. Yes should even Bernie voted for the crime. Bill says a lot of blame to go around there. But you can't say thirty years after the fact that it did not lead like this insane explosion in prison. I mean obviously. It was a confluence of factors but one of them has got to be a law that increased. How long people stay in prison for crimes? Yet that increases the deficit people? Prison is length of sentences not just infractions. Its length of sentences that keep people in prison. Because if you're not in there for that long you don't have that many people in the prison. They stack up when you keeping them in there for decades I want. This clip is an example of one of Biden's I think it's kind of a strength and we saw during the last debate. And remember when Bernie is like you. You voted who argued for decreasing social security payouts. Gutting it like. I didn't hours video of it. It's like he has the gift that trump has also democrats like they. There's something in their brain where it's like. They have trouble like line directly so they have to come with a with a bunch of semantic rounds and weird out like pizza a great example of someone. Who does this but Joel just be like no? It didn't just baby. He doesn't think he did at this point. You know he believe it. My favorite biden quote is one. I think from a few years ago. They got video of him and he said they asked him if he regretted any vote or anything and he said I've not. I don't regret anything I've ever done by the way that the way by the way just this week Pod Save John Bite in contrast with trump says that Biden has always admitted when he was in the wrong. And sure wish you could have a president like that again. Yeah GO SUGAR. Just a question. John's how much next an on. How much of his audio do you think you're gonNA have to the bottom? Are you gonNa Give Joe Biden the Felix Treatment? Next time it comes on the mucking. Show just be like thirty minutes of ad reads and then like I had a nice day no again I have to add. A Joe Biden has refused to ever come on pod. Save America awesome. Hey Hey I'm not going to go into the lion's den I mean that's that's probably why that's probably why that's why he's a winner. Chad Chadha ship. Do you think he went on Charlemagne because he thought he was the holy Roman Emperor Tour School Guys. You Dad he politics pippin the short. I knew her man. I'll never forget was first nonprotection to go over there. I wanted to see what they were about. One of those hats okay. Last Joe Biden clip last Joe Biden clipped. Why does it not make sense to African Americans who getting out of prison service table to have public housing? Why didn't make sense and they can have pell grants to go to school L. A. Sense. They can have access rights for. What are we nuts? I keep doing that's That's our time they're not all I know. Jill has to use this but I've talked to my own use. This Jill has to use the computer that's allowed to leave the interview campaign stepping in to be like okay. Sounds wrap it up but I did like that because I think they decided to wrap it up because they realized that he had just committed himself to guaranteeing federal housing for recently released felons. And they're like Oh. I would definitely not going to do that. I also very much enjoyed or not going but the thing is he's not talking about that he the way he talked about education. He didn't say free call. She said fucking Pell grants the idea. Hell jail. It's like hey you can go to college now you gotTa Pell Grant. We'll fuck me running. No I heard his campaign going. Like Joe's Brennan's malfunctioning. Chill has to go on the email Jill Jill near record some only fans content. We have one more one more. Joe Biden Clip. This is the weed smoking one. Yes yeah okay. Let's one you say that you would decriminalize marijuana. What's the difference between legalizing and decriminalizing? Because they're trying to find out whether or not there is any impact on the use of marijuana nodding leading you to other drugs but what it affects. The doesn't affect long term development of the Brain. And we should wait till the studies done. I think science matters. I think we've got becky. I think decades and decades and studies from actual weed smokers. Oh Yeah I do I a lot. So he responded to a question that asks. What's the difference between two things with because yeah which? That's not how you can respond to that. That's allowed because he does. He does like the like like he knows. He can't get away with saying that we have to keep marijuana illegal because it's a gateway drug because that's been debunked so thoroughly now that's uncontroversial state. Otherwise so he says no we. We have to wait another thirty years because we gotta wait for the next round of studies whether like a harm your brain or something mind on that really quickly though like like even Republicans are really coming around to that. Because there's just too much money in it to money and there's the public opinion is too strongly in favor of this point. He started he started to have it both ways here but like again not answer the question. And then when Charlemagne says I think we have all the studies we need just based on all the people who's been smoking weed regularly for decades and I do and he goes I do I. What do I do what? What did you think he said? I know. At least I know a lot of weed. Smokers I bring to Barack and the gang gang who I the first whiteboard go to Hawaii and help on them seeds. I I want to save Felix drove could cure Joe Biden's dementia. I wanted to start talking about how you can like. Add water to the bag. You just bought these paying paying for weight. Not Water can do eight eight Bong rips in Rome. Mike are off one load. A lot of people. Don't think I could beat nine. Okay listen you gotta get a life if you think? I put orange peels in it. Okay Oh great. Here comes my mom to clear the deal. What go into Youtube type? Can he beat nine and told me? That isn't a Joe Biden speech Hammy honestly. It's insane. We all watch too much damn YouTube. They they they turned into pulp us. Like Joe Biden Boring Schutte Democrat and then he just became Dan Queen like the thing that they talk about. Oh Joe Guy. He was always a gas bag and he was always gaffes boring political bullshit. Not This this majesty. This this this and logorrhoea. It's amazing owns. It's so good and that is why I know they will not debate. Because that's fun. No you don't get that in this world it's the DNC that's going to be held on zoom and start with like fight song to is it's going. GonNa Suck so much off. It's going to suck because they're going to give. Joe Like everything. A Hollywood producer gives hyperactive child. She's just going to talk about like pell grants for three hours. It's going to fucking blow. They should just let them go off the cuff. That would be awesome. Trump should've I I will. I will put this down now if they do have A. If they do have the trappings of a convention and they don't just scrap it entirely which they honestly could they could just have it vote by email if he gives an acceptance speech. It will be the shortest in history. They're not going to allow him to go out there. For how long are those things half an hour even on the teleprompter? They don't trust that. So it's going to be like a five minute like list of of like basically just a string of rejected campaign slogans and they're going to wheel him offstage all right. That was joe by then on the breakfast club. I mean honestly just kind of demonstrating why he ran the table on everyone including us. I mean the guys. The guys unstoppable and again like Like none none of this shit is going to become a controversy. That's going to ding his appeal in any way to any other to anyone other than who was already firmly not voting for him. You know so Just just make your piece of it. Don't try to correct him. Don't try to scold him. Don't try to like mold him into something different or better because honestly it. You're probably if you want him to be elected. You should want him to do more shit like this obviously just while the fuck out on on TV and internet clubs. I do all right. Let's close out the share screen. I got I got a couple things. We gotta we gotta get to you today and I would like to switch now. The focus to You know as we as we normally do to our current president Softbank yeah the Damn Cheeto and chief and I wanNA talk about just just real quick Just just one thing that trump has done over the last couple of weeks that I'm really here for and that is like you know we've established that you can't d platform the president of the United States as much as you wish you could but sorry Kamala Harris but given that he has a platform. I'm glad he is using it in this one particular detail in that is reopening the cold case about the murder of an intern. Joe Scarborough's office when he was a Florida justice and I'm just GonNa I'm GonNa read here from Okay so he's I love this he goes. This is a trump tweet. He goes a lot of interest in this story about psycho Joe Scarborough so a young marathon runner just having to faint in his office hit her head on a desk and die. I would think there is a lot more to this story than that an affair. What about the so-called investigator read story? So he just like for weeks. Now he keeps calling Joe Scarborough Psycho Joe which is so fucking cool of. Somebody's GonNa try to affect a citizens arrest. Then he goes here a blow to her head body found under his desk left. Congress suddenly big topic of discussion in Florida. And he's a nutjob with bad raidings. Keep DIGGING US. Forensics genius much golden here but my favorite has to be like he killed this woman also his ratings so yeah he'll probably be equal. Those are of equal weight. Oj's great did you see the ratings for the trial raising the bottom. The article says Scarborough's Co host and wife. Mika Brzezinski announced last week that she was going to speak to twitter. Ceo Jack Dorsey about getting trump banned from twitter in an apparent response to the president's tweets about scarborough. Fire Him for truth. Yeah Good luck with that. Good luck with that. I just President trump you know and all the junior Russ Coal Brigade twitter. Yes reopen this case. There's there's incredibly fishy follow the money. Follow the money like he was like tight brose with like the cops the police chief or something in the county. It was like a pro forma investigation and he left Congress that term. Like you just got in there with the with the Republican Revolution. He was in his area young. The guy was gonna be like governor fucking president some day guarantee we thought he was and then all of a sudden these out of Congress Lilo. Yeah Nobody Listens Chappaquiddick. And he knew it. And the other thing about this article talks about how like a lot of the coverage of this talks. About how like a lot of people like you know even Fox News just like this. This universal like closing ranks around Joe Scarborough across like every platform of Cable News. Where they're like. Oh now the president's finally gone too far and it's like given what we know about and Redstone Matt Lauer Book in Ails fucking all these guys like it just. They're worried that their interns are going to come back to haunt them. Think percents whatever the media whenever the media forms a shield wall around one of themselves accused the horrible crime or their families. Perhaps accused of war crimes is because they all have the same shit in there fucking closets. They WANNA make sure that they're gonNA have their back when it comes out. Yeah all right so close out. This week I've got a doozy of a reading series for you. That attempts to tackle a question that we have The we have attempted stab at ourselves and the question is how is donald trump heralded as this like avatar of rugged American virtues and masculinity despite being like the cleanest in human history. The only problem is that this article comes courtesy of my favorite magazine. The Atlantic and is written by the world's biggest pussy referring to of course Tom Nichols also known as radio. Free Tom on twitter and author of such books as the death of expertise reading in the Atlantic he asks Donald Trump the most unmanly president. Why don't the president's supporters hold him to their own standard of masculinity and if there is any guy can interesting question? Yeah just there's any guy who's qualified to pose this question. It is a man who does open role play with a woman pretending to be his daughter on twitter so this is a long article. I'm not gonNA read all. Let's just is in here Tom Nichols attempting to answer. The question Why is trump Why do manly men love trump so much despite what a weight his flaming is the only word for it? I don't think trump is gay but he just has very like Queenie characteristics to. We've I'm going to repeat something. My brother said which I think is like genius. My brother is is gay and he said that he wishes when he was a kid that Donald trump was like in his form. Now because it was great it would be great to have this guy who's seeking representation. It's important well. Sort of like he meant like it would be great to have this guy who's like a pussy vain cowardly backstabbing Gossipy JR is like a shallow obsessed shallow. But have it be a straight man. See that to show that like the worst air types of a gay man could be all industry it man. It's true. Yeah they're not so. I think I think. Tom Sort of inability to answer this question or like a re wrestle with with his own issues is it. What's interesting about this article? All right. So Radio Free. Tom Begins by saying here So many mysteries surround Donald Trump. The contents of his tax returns the apparent miracle of graduation from college. Some of them are merely curiosities. Others are of national importance such as to whether he understood the nuclear weapons briefing giving to every president. I prefer not to dwell on this question. But since his first day as a presidential candidate I have been baffled by one mystery in particular. Why do working class white men? The most reliable component of Donald trump space support someone who is by their own standards. The least masculine man ever to hold the modern presidency. The question is not whether trump fails to meet some archaic or idealized version of version of masculinity. The president's inability to measure up to Marcus Aurelius Omar. Bradley is not the issue. Rather the question is why. So many of trump's working class white male voters refused to hold trump to their own standards of masculinity why they support a man who behaves why they support a man who behaves more like a little boy so to begin here I like. I like in some ways. Tom Is Right. That trump is I guess. Technically the least masculine man to ever hold the modern presidency. But if the bar is very low there it's like trump is wild divergence unlike previous presidents like Ronald Reagan who is just like a drooling Jelly. Bean popping like actor. I mean he was. The Guy Literally just played tough. Guy Run Regan. Every even played tough guys in movies he was even the actual like so-called. Tough guys like going back. You would say teddy. Roosevelt ever read like Teddy Roosevelt's like journals when he was like slumming it and on his gap year in the American West. When he's just like I'm so sad right now it's all just like email bullshit. People think he's bad ass because the turn of the century ninety percent of being was just being fat. Yeah exactly you know what you did. If you're a gay into like really like I'd say honestly let's have fallen hero. Take two thousand six E You would go into the military and if you were straight and wanted to get tons of pussy you've got into musical theatre. Honestly I mean you go action. Is I also your that his his to idealize visions of masculinity? Here are Marcus Aurelius and Omar Bradley Bradley. Fair enough he did. He you know he was He he did the European Theater World War. Two but like Marcus are really I love because it is the classic Dome Guy Like I? It's a classic like invocation at every dumb guy who thinks they're smart goes to because they saw the movie silence of the lambs and Hannibal. Lecter a name. Marcus Aurelius looking at the masculine feminine. Dichotomy throat history through a modern lens of it makes no fucking big zero sets like it doesn't really make sense now because like people always are like bring up a four star. General is like the Avatar of traditional masculinity when it's like generals are obsessed with their appearance their obsessive like little fucking Trinkets. They have very like showman personalities. That's how you become a fucking general this weird performer personality. Yeah David David Betrayal. Set to fuck and she don't his wife with his his biographer. That's that sounds version. That dude is also if I'm remembering from seeing Patton Omar Bradley. It kind of a cook was sort of guy. Yeah he was sort of a bookish. You know like Hey. Let's maybe not Launch A full-scale attack Right now being that shellshocked soldier all all the other generals of the western like they were just all divas. Yeah big time a fucking ivory handle pistols that Patton had for God's sake. Yeah well you think about like the pomp and circumstance like the theatrics of Napoleon or. Let's be honest here. Alexander the Great. Yeah that's a conqueror. I'll tell you. What exactly his his Alpha Macho were his his sense of confidence in his I can be a Queenie lady. I don't have to compensate. Yeah what it is like a radio. Free Tong here has underestimated like the elasticity and the sort of prescriptive nece or he sees overestimated. How prescriptive working class men actually are about gender like maybe they unlike maybe guy like Radio Free? Tom Know the difference between someone who's fancy and someone who's assist. I mean my God. Trump went in front of a a sea of hooting yahoos in West Virginia to complain. That hairspray doesn't hold as much as it used to. They also served it. But like I know that feel my wife tells me about it all the time anyone who is around like you know whatever mercenary homosexuals let fussy men can be really agro and I mean like you know so-called sissies or whatever feminine men a let's Times have to be very tough and like actually tough because their asses kicked and like and like the thing is the with trump. He's just like a little prince but I don't think that anyone I think that he's he really thinks that like working class. Men are more like homophobic or anti feminine than they actually are there Yeah he's kind of a Bitch. Sean is going to give you his his sort of Boniface here. So he says here. I am a son of the working class and I know these cultural standards. The men I grew up with think of themselves is pretty tough guys and most of them are. They are not the products of elite universities in cosmopolitan thinking. These are men whose fathers and grandfathers came from a culture that looks down upon lying cheating and bragging especially about sex or courage okay. I'm going to stop right there. Just say like I don't care this is one. This is one cultural standard. That I think will hold true across all Ariza History Nationalities. Men of any type. All lie about sex. They all brag about it and they'll exaggerate their perceived sexual conquest every an pretends to have the average length of ten inches. Every one of the guys who lived through the D Day invasion came home and then multiplied by twenty. The number of Frenchwomen. Don't necessarily I read. I'm not a guy or whatever but I don't necessarily think that's true. I think a lot of guys are way too. Repressed to engage like locker room talk like I. They are like alarmed when they know how. Explicitly like women discuss sex. I'm going to do a little bit of phonology. Her I'm suing. Tom Nichols Radio Free. Tom Is of Irish heritage. So there's no culture of lying. I interesting he goes on to say that he goes on here. This is he goes. My father's best friend got the Silver Star for wiping out a German machine gun nest in Europe and I never heard a word about it until after the man's funeral Yeah tell you probably didn't hear a word about it because killing all those people probably really fucked him up for the rest of his life and probably even talk to friends. Weiner kid let me tell you about the time. I just snuffed out a dozen people and I still see their faces every time I close my eyes. Oh what's What's that you been reading? Clausewitz fucking cool goes egos they admire. They admire in value the understated swagger the rock solid confidence and the quiet reserve of such cultural heroes. As John Wayne's Green Beret Colonel Mike Kirby and Sylvester Stallone's and Sylvester Stallone's John Rambo also as it turns out a former green beret so to made up people and by the way the whole point of Rambo was that his brain was totally fucked up from wars. By the way we saw we saw like a real green beret in the fucking psycho invade Venezuela. He's a complete lying idiot. Most big weepy queen to most people lie all the time because talking how much just normal people lie. That's a big part of our comedy on. The show is the amount that just like. There're people so many people in my life who like fit like toms standard masculine outward appearances but they were just inveterate liars. Like they couldn't stop they loved it but I also don't get what talks like working definition of masculinity is here. Look he goes back and forth between saying like actually like real men. Don't Brag as if auto isn't like you know a or has it historically been like a major part of masculinity depending on the culture but then it's like oh but he's a bad guy like ed and he lies and men don't like he. He's mixing up sort of affect with sort of what are considered the positive masculine virtues amber. It's like he met about masculinity but he wrote about being a good boy. Yeah boy talk. Ambrose does give a working definition of masculinity. Okay all right so here. He goes there. They are as an American psychological association feature describes them men who adhere to norms such as toughness dominance self-reliance heterosexual behaviors restriction of emotional expression and the avoidance of traditionally Feminine Behaviour. I assume Tom is reading from version of the American psychological association that was from an addition when they like homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. Yeah right next to the page over the next this is the page adjacent to wandering wombs. And let's go through these one by one. What was the first toughness? Yes I think actually like pretty universally like it's considered good to be tough whatever that might be too and that's considered a positive masculine virtue. Next one dominance self reliance. That's that's politically and historically contentions whether or not you're a good citizen that contributes to you know whatever the tribe or the Soviet like that was. That was flexible. But you know for Americans. I'd say US heterosexual behaviors. Yeah we tend to pretend to want them to do that. Historically speaking restriction of emotional expressions stoicism if only that was valued for like? I'm every every guy from like Ohio guys to like Guidos to your measured by how much you can like. Throw a Tantrum or pout. Like if you're Russian. Like to be broody and Moody like. That's that one's that's that's very wa- spe- like that's very culturally contingent and finally the avoidance of traditionally feminine and behaviors. Yeah that's just taller. She though Thomas Never Been Italy yeah but he goes out or they're all just that's why they had to have that hard quarantine. They can't stop making out with their brother. Yeah that the quarantine in Italy so funny because it's like Oh no you have to live with my mom for an indefinite That's the last thing I want. He continues though goes but I didn't need an expert. Study to tell me this. They're all men like my late father and his friends who understood that a man's word is his bond that a handshake means something. They're men who still believe in a day's work for a day's wages. They feel that you should never think another man when he hands you a paycheck that you earned shoulder. Burdens in silence perhaps soon unhealthy degree. And no there is honor and making an honest living and raising a family and yet many of these same men expect none of those characteristics from trump. Who is a vain cowardly lying vulgar JABBERING BLOWHARD? Put another way as a question. I've asked many of them. That I know is trump a man. Your father and grandfather would have respected. Here's what I like about this and the I know Tom. Thinks this is bulletproof? But you're I got news for your father and grandfather would have loved fucking Donald Trump and respected him more than they respect you. Who's a college professor who writes about expertise and military strategy despite never actually having you know gunned down? Maybe not maybe not. Maybe he's totally right. That you know. What about Gary Cooper like? Maybe he is right that there is something on but that is completed they relevant because you are assuming that when people vote. They're trying to vote for America's Dad. That's not what the president is like. That people don't necessarily care about the character of the president. They WanNa know he's going to do things that are good for them politically and economically like it. They don't care that he that he doesn't remind them of their fathers because normal healthy people don't look at politicians as father figures he goes here. I should point out that. I'm not criticizing trump's manifest lack of masculinity solely because he offends my personal sense of maleness. He does of course but then again a lot about the president offends me as a man as a Christian as an American nor do I make these observations as a role model of mill virtue. I was in every way an immature had as a younger man in the late Middle Age. I still struggle with the eternal issues of manhood including what it means to be a good father and husband especially the second time around after failing marriage once already and truth be told. I'm not particularly Manley. I wear Italian shoes. Little Buckles I as you will my haircuts on Boston's Newbury street weeks in advance. My shower is full of soaps and shampoos claiming sense like tobacco and Caramel and my shaving cream has Bergemann whatever that I use a shaving cream with little or no alcohol because alcohol treasure out and makes you look older. I am not a psychologist and I can not adjudicate the theories of male behavior. That might explain. Some of this others have to reach research who looked back at the two thousand. Sixteen presidential election suggested that support for trump was higher in areas where there were more. Internet searches for topics such as erectile dysfunction. How TO GET GIRLS? Penis ENLARGEMENT THAN IN. Pro Hillary areas of the country. One can only hope that correlation is not causation. The idea that insecure men support bullies in authority. Arians is hardly new. Recall that one of George. Orwell's characters nineteen eighty-four there. We go there. We go a reference to one thousand nine hundred eighty four. That is the calling card of every fucking lazy reactionary hack writing in the Atlantic or any other supposedly high brow media platform you have to throw in a reference to animal for nineteen eighty-four to prove to the people reading it that you've read a book that everyone else read in high school. Same Way as will remember when we will Read those Atlantic articles. Everybody has their talking about conspiracy theories. Everyone's got him reference Hoffstetter for the same reason just as a as a Shibboleth indicating that they're worthy to talk about the subject and like the rest of the article is like he just breaks it down like is trump. Honorable is trump courageous. Is trump a man who has no wouldn't fucking cares like the people would vote for tax breaks or economic protectionism or just because they fucking that he's going to blow up the corrupt political system. They don't fucking care if he's a fucking prancing ferry no one gives a shit is is trump aman who respects women Does trump accept responsibility. Look out for his team and of course he answered all these questions is no and all of these are all things that were. He's you know supposedly flouting the traditional masculine virtues. Whatever not gonna read the rest of it but I think what I think is actually going on here. And what what Tom Nichols and and and people who who bring up the this obvious fact that trump is you know in his personality and the fact that he the weird way he stands his billowy suits his the diapers that he wears and generally just in every way. His personality is not someone who would embody the traditional Sort of STOIC. John Ford John Wayne American cowboy hero right. But here's here's the thing that I think he. He he misses an amber. Your hundred percent right about like you know the idea that people would vote for things that they expect to receive from President and not vague personality traits that they see in their father and grandfather seems to be alluded him entirely. But what's also alluded him is that I think what he misses is that if I it's it's too easy to say. Oh well trump is a phony he he he doesn't he doesn't he's he's obviously a phony about all these things that he's supposed to embody but it misses the fact that. I think trump is very authentic in one crucial way that does resonate with people. He's a Prick. He's an asshole. He's he's a cruel cowardly little shit. Basically everybody in this country is in one way or another the STOIC. Tough guy model that he thinks he's failing to live up to nobody. Is that anymore? Everyone is Venal little coward nowadays. And that's why they Lake Donald Trump because he is one of them is one of them and crucially he also he makes people like Tom Nichols Mad. Well he doesn't kiss ass and he doesn't avoid people like Tom Nichols. That's fucking cool and people fucking respect that also I'll be honest it. Some of Biden's appeal to older. Voters Jess yes. You know that he put that Charlotte the God kid in his place this this youngster talk whippersnapper talking talking to Joe Biden like he's not doesn't get respect. Let Me Tell You. Check so like yeah. They saw that. And they're like yeah. You should talk down to that little kid for for not respecting you. And what is more Alpha than when you're criticized by someone in the press accusing them of murder? Elect trump like literally you know again. People are are mixing up the difference between like effect or feminine or whatever and and being like a pussy and a win and a pushover and trump is a very tough mean vicious effect. Dandy man like that's the thing like Tad haven't you ever met fucking ruthless? These are not not tough people. This reminds me of during the Bush administration like every liberal photos the biggest Gotcha to be like this this guy swaggering around in a cowboy hat. He doesn't work on that ranch. He's from Maine and Connecticut. He's not a Texas oilman. He's not a tough swaggering cowboy and it's like of course they were right about that all that brush clearing. I'm GONNA smoke amount. Dead or alive shit. Was All contrived macho nonsense that bear no resemblance to George W Bush's life or personality and it was sold on that but like I. I think they are underestimating. The I don't WanNa see the intelligence but just like the canonists. The Americans may be done but they can they can spot a phony pretty fucking well and the thing about George W Bush. That wasn't phony is like trump. He was generally a spiteful. Little Prick me it. Was that meanness that. Frat boy sadism. What was real and not phony and what people wanted and responded you because they knew deep down inside they were that person as well they are also spiteful vicious little cowards and it's about identifying with someone like I think I like I don't like whatever weakness disgust me to like. It's fucking gross. Like I don't think that like you know trump well no. I do think he's cool. I don't want trump to be president like I would really prefer that you know he could have run against say a Bernie Sanders to actually put this stuff into contrast because Bernie's another person who doesn't kiss ass but like no. It's it's disgusting watching this parade of like just unctuous sycophantic like I. You know like like the hope the though the by an interview when they're like do you feel like you know black voters. Oh the Democratic Party votes they have figured out that you're not allowed to fuck him. Say that anymore and instead of actually like offering like basic social democratic reforms they offer is. I I I see you I hear you. You're valid like that's politics now and it's disgusting. I just think like Tom. Even he mentioned it in the article he compares his trump his father and grandfather and then he can't help but compare himself to his father and grandfather. This is all this eople because I know I'm a little fancy boy a college degree and I were little Italian shoes with buckles on them and I get my got fancy haircuts and shit and I think he's just like as a guy like Tom Nichols. Who is someone who was a bloodthirsty neo-con until about two weeks ago? Who was his emotionally and like pathologically needs to identify with like the American Empire and military as an Avatar of his own perceived masculinity the fact that trump can lap him ten times over among that demographic embodied and embody that. Actually be like the commander in Chief. Guy That is beloved by military guys. Cops firefighters like the guy he just is he is more than you and I think it's just it just brings into even more sharp focus for these. Never trump guys that they've always been pussies they've always been pussies who need the US military to back up their own fucking the fact that they're divorced fucking just just Weiner's and like and the fact that trump is so visibly everything that they everything that they claim to be like embodying weakness or venality and decadence in American culture shows that none of that shit matters and they could have gotten away with being just that thing if they had wanted to instead of pretending to be a fucking tough guy their entire life even though they all they all they do is write articles. About Marcus Aurelius. Remember Milo sure ever how beloved Milo was by a bunch of downwardly mobile like middle class kind of outright guys who were mostly straight by the way yes he was. He was there queen they was. Uc Santa Cruz at the UC. Santa Cruz they brought him into the auditorium for his speech. On a Palanquin yeah four nerds in sportcoats carried him into the thing he was on a chair and they loved it. Yeah it's almost like I don't know people aren't like being fancy isn't the same thing as like being pussy. Like he was a mean fucking shit and they like that he was a mean shit and that he antagonized hated. And like people aren't don't cares about Derek Cooper fuck off. I One more paragraph here. He says trump's media enablers do their best to shore up the fiction that trump and the men who follow him or the most macho of men. The former White House aide Sebastian Gorka. One of trump's most dedicated sycophants has described trump as a man's man despite the fact that trump has no hobbies or interests common to many American men other than sex in this gal in this gang of sweat. Hogs Gorka is the Arnold Shack to trump's of any burrito always admiring him as the most Alpha Alpha's to listen to Gorka and others and trump world. The president can turn his enemies to ask through sheer testosterone overload. Some trope boaters have even airbrushed the president's face onto the bodies of both Rambo and Rocky Balboa. The president has himself approvingly. Re tweeted the trump as rocky me. So he saying that like it's true. Supporters are foolishly make pretending that trump is rocky or Rambo whereas is at all five paragraphs earlier. I use those same fictional character fictional characters to uphold the traditional value virtues of masculinity that I think he's failing to live up to well he's not and the Pe- The people who love Rambo in rocky also loved trump. And this is the point. I'm really trying to get out here. Is it like everyone cues to these fictional representations of cowboys or soldiers cops are fucking construction workers or whatever. I mean the village people essentially. They're but they're covering for the fact that like the extent that ever existed. It doesn't anymore. Everybody is alarming as this shit and trump does embody the I'm sorry American Western male at his heart more than any of those fictional representations of things that we'd like to imagine a virtuous trump is the American male. The he he gets it he is it and who is the American male Bitchy Queenie Vein Venal lows? Gossip LOVES DRAMA SOFT. His put it and would not podcasts. Yup exactly so just all of it is just causing this great anxiety and radio. Free Tom because he knows that deep. That's him trump is him up and he hates it. He hates looking in the Mirror. And you know like just get get onboard. The trump train like all these never trump conservatives. It'd be a lot fucking better off true. I just stay the fuck away from me. Yeah they really do their anger at trump is jealousy. Anything that he's he is comfortable with himself. I mean obviously. He's very insecure in some ways but he is wildly comfortable being perceived any way so long as it's on his terms. Yeah the way the only way to like really like. Oh being like that. It's just as we like each like gotta work it. Yeah and he figured in Complete Moron he does. He works like and I like despite being complete fucking moron. He has this fantastic TALLEC for bullying. And like that's Thakin cool. He bullies people that I also hate like I get the appeal of trump. And if you don't and he refused to say that you can't you're either willfully ignorance and you're afraid that knowing why people like trump will somehow make you into a trump supporter like or you're just a fucking idiot and fucking pussy there you go. Tom Nichols Idiot. Pussy Atlantic contributor. There we go. I think that sums it up for this week. Show a look at the way. He's look at the way he stands is Alpha. Posture trump does Alpha posture all the time where he leans forward slightly. Gary has a signature walk. It's not the Naomi Campbell signature. Walk but it you know he's to how does he looks like he's defying gravity. Amazing how does he have that much pendulous gut and spine head center of gravity? That far in front of his little old man needs maybe in a strange way like those. Those birds toys that you could bell on their be the special suit shoes. That Michael Jackson used to smooth criminals. It's to be the shoes so there. We go that that up for this week's episode and I leave you with this question which way Western man. Donald TRUMP OR JOE BIDEN X. Or Dan Quinn. Due we do we do is the answer to that question. We all do we. All Guy is la by.

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597. Baron Vaughn, Zac Oyama, Ify Nwadiwe

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597. Baron Vaughn, Zac Oyama, Ify Nwadiwe

"This episode of comedy, bang bang is brought to you by query. This is a podcast with our good friend. Good friend of the show. Cameron Esposito sit in on an hour long conversation between her and some of the brightest luminaries in the LGBTQ, plus family query explores individual stories of identity personality and the shifting cultural matrix around gender sexuality and civil rights past guests include Lena waif, Alexandra billings, congressman Mark Takano. The Ellwood creator Eileen shaken president and CEO of glad Sarah, Kate, Ellis and more. It's identity. It's community. It's query fine. Query every Monday on Stitcher apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Come back. Bye. Bye. Bye. The sheep. She fought got peaches pitted. Foppish pigs sheep, that's fitted. Welcome to comedy, bang bang. And thank you to carpool cocoon for that gets raised mission. This show must sound insane. If this is the first time you've ever heard of before, but that was a catchphrase submission. I have been trying in vain for many years to replace my world famous catchphrase. What's hot dog that? I unfortunately gave away to weird Al yankovic. And as you know, he starts every concert by saying, it's a if he is to be believed. I've not gone to see any of his concerts to check up on him. I should because I gave him that cash. And if he's not using it, then we have a problem. So listeners submit me catchphrases, and that is a very interesting one. I think it's a little too hard to say though every week. So I think I am going to be moving on carcass cocoon, and what I say it's too hard to say. I mean carcass cocoon that is the first time catchphrase submitter, I believe and speaking of first times our guest today, we have a couple of first timers coming up a little later. We have someone from Alabama pest control. That is very exciting. And also an automobile salesman. Okay. I'm not sure where he's from the our other guests puts where he was from in the actual description, Alabama pest control that tells you everything you need to know as far as outta mobile salesman. It could be anywhere could be the in the center of the earth for all now. I know. In any case. My name is Scott Ackerman. I'm your host for the proceedings and lettuce Terry, no further. We have a wonderful guest who's been on the show, many many times, you probably know him from mystery science theater the current series on Netflix as well as I think he was on some sort of ABC show or something some sort of sitcom for a minute. But our listeners know him primarily as our security guards Zeke from the comedy, bang, bang television show made some of the most appearances on the TV show only sixteen people I looked it up today only sixteen people appeared more often than you, including myself and Reggie and weirdo. Yankovic? Yeah. Please. Welcome baron Vaughn. Hello good to be here. Non Zeke, are you doing a character radio? I mean, technically, aren't we all at all time? What is your real? Because and I've known you for a couple years couple years, you know, and you were on the show even before that. And I you know, I did what I saw. I really don't. I don't think that I saw you having a conversation out there in the lobby that was like is this the real? Oh, that's it. Couldn't have been because he was so boring. The real baron is very very boring. I mean, that's a question. I have for myself as well, Scott. I mean every single day in the bathroom mirror, which I can't see anymore because I've covered in the lipstick. Yeah. How far down is that mirror? Go broke. We talk in ankles. Dow we're talking like a cowboy shot cubes medium. Yes. Down Bubes and up cubes. By the way, your comedy. I've always said, it's it's it's good for all ages. Yeah. Pukes up. Yes. If you have you laugh, so it's not like a thirteen in thing because that's so arbitrary there's late bloomers if you pukes, you're good. You're good. When it comes to my comedy. Yes. Exactly. And you check by the way, I noticed. I I luckily I've gotten to the point where I can I can hire someone I can delegate that that checking response pull a few out in and hold them up and show them to you. That's right. And that's that's right. And if and then I also have a rule about how thick they have to be because we're talking about like, you know, linen thread to what's the thread count on these pupils talking two thousand. Yes. And that's and if you're over two thousand and you will be admitted to the show for her in comedy, you have your wonderful stand up comedian, and you're on some show. I mentioned your honor show. You said a sitcom on ABC. Maybe I did a pilot for a sitcom on what am I? What am I thinking of? You might be thinking of a different Netflix show that I'm on on grace and Franco. Yeah. Yeah. Now, my wife watches that. Yes. And people's lives, watch it. Yeah. And their and and their mothers their mother, that's true. If I had if I had a dime for everyone who's come up to me like, my mom loves you. Then I would have about five times. That's that's very strange thing to say. So you're on Grayson, Frankie, and you have a new television program, and it's coming up this Friday, April. Eighteenth nineteenth. I didn't write down. I wrote down every piece of information except the actual wrote down April, which I spelled wrong. I wrote AARP. And by the way, speaking to grace and Franky viewers, the AARP. Yes. And then I wrote eleven PM because it's only Olympia. I didn't write what it was nineteen. Yes. This Friday at eleven PM. And I is it. Okay. For me to say the title. Now, I watched the first episode, and you decide you debate. Whether it's it's okay for certain people to say the title, do you want? Do you want to say the title? Do you want to force me to say this? I I don't know that I want to say the title. I'll say it first Scott, and they can follow in instep. Okay. I don't see this is like a gonyea west gold digger Ashraf situation. I don't necessarily think that's true yet. We'll see it's called the new negroes. Now, the thing about it is people don't know how to feel about the word negroes. Right. It was a word that we you know, was all in vogue decades ago. Vogue magazine that'll whole spread on the word negro. It was that was what was acceptable to say. Approximately nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy-two nelin. It was actually longer than that historically, it kind of started. I want to say about the twenty. Okay. So a great man who was no longer with us name W E. D boys was one of the people that led the charge on changing the word that was used for black people to be negro. It was good. Then this is better. It was better than caller people. Okay. People were saying. And then he was like, I think I have something better sleep. Okay. So and then it was good for a while is good until about the late sixties early seventies. And then what happened in the late sixties? Why do people why where people got like this? I think what happens is people start using it as as a pejorative as a slam pasta certain time, and then people are like tongue. Oh, okay. Now, you're just saying it like, well, that's that's true of any word, you know? And I think that you know, it was the dominant word that was used to refer to black people, and then it kind of fell out of fashion, especially with younger people because I think, you know, the the time change politically, and there was a gentleman name Stokely Carmichael who sort of championed black to be the new word. Right. And then James Brown had a song. They allow them proud and Brown became black. And an irony is that black was insult before it became a negro was the word to call. Someone black was like fighting words. Right. But then then it was like, no. This is fine became the word and then black. Yeah. Blacks, and by the way, blacks black is back. The black is back is the new black because for awhile for awhile, then it became Afro-American and then African area. Afro African American and then and then it was like, none of just stop just please. Can we just go back to black? Well, there's a lot of there's some people still prefer African American people for afro American. They have big hair. I think that was Jesse Jackson almost feel like it was like Jesse Jackson singlehandedly tried to force that on everybody. We'll try to force afro American or African American African American they caught on in the universities, which is why came so huge. But I don't think that most people like that. I don't like it. I prefer black. Yeah. Well, the shorter the better. Dwell on it. It's about efficiency, you know, what I mean American is too many syllables. Now, you're trying to take this word back though. Well, the thing is I'm not necessarily trying to take the word negro back as much as I am reusing the term new negro, right? And that is its own thing rights. I don't get it. Well, white Scott what it is the way. If you're lizard of the showed haven't figured it out yet. I'm white Scott his wife, Scott Hoch urban. I know it sounds like a Nigerian that may be you know, that maybe causing the unease I have discussing this subject, Scott Chioma Offerman. That's specific. That's for like, the the fifteen Nigerian listeners that you have. I've counted they've all emailed me. They're like, I'm so happy. You're going to be on the show people from Ghana not a fan of mine. I don't know why gonna do. Got to do it. Right. That's exactly what you Harvey as George George H W Bush had a weird had a weird policy about the country of Ghana not gonna do it. Very strange. What the heck we were talking to talking about how you're the title of your show. And then we'll talk about the show itself. So the so the the the term in of itself new negro is was the title of a book from the twenties. Okay. And the book was an anthology of like fiction writers essayists poets musicians. Oh, as a compendium of like, this is the new this is the stuff that you should be paying attention to the art scene. Exactly sky. Hey, what I'm Mexico's with this show sort of is because let's talk about the show the show, and I've seen by the way, I don't like to brag. But I got a screener of the pilot. Oh, and I watched the whole darn thing. I appreciate your Washington. And first of all, let's talk about the hosts because it's you an open Mike and Mike we want to have on the show this week. But he's he's for and. We get we had to do it. We had to pull the triggers eagle? Yeah. But it's you an open Mike you'll now you're a standup. Yes. And Mike is a musician who, but he also is very funny. And as you know is himself in performances and does stand up shows and stuff like that. So it's you guys are both the hosts, and it's sort of like a premium blend dark roast, what do you just right now? What do you think premium blend dark roast sounds? Just call it. Let me just grind it down and see how how it processes. Yeah. I mean, Mike is a is a rapper a hip hop artist. Whatever you wanna call it. And so yeah, every episode kind of has a theme we unpack it a little bit on. I want to say like a vaudeville kind of way. I mean, silly our friend Lance bangs he directed to develop it with you as well. Or did he just direct it? Well, I we developed it. I always wanted Lance to direct because I I like I like the meltdown. So it's it's kind of like a meltdown type show year. It's like you guys have stand ups on. Yes. And you also have musicians on and in fact in the pilot. It's really good. You have Chris read chalet was sharp and Langston Kerman who's just on the show a couple of weeks ago here, and then Hannibal Burgas pops up in the middle of it doesn't really funny thing. And then at the end, Danny Brown musician. Danny Brown does video with Mike. Yes. So it's like, oh this in twenty minutes and fifty five seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's addeted pretty tight is. And no comedian that did a set. Did the time I asked what do they do? I said down by se how do they run the light? Well, some who'll did twenty who ran the light the worst everyone ran the light except for two people who didn't the only two people that came in at the time. I asked were Sam Jay, okay? And mayo me at paragon. Very you. Go. Guess how easy it was to their sets. So so easy. Meanwhile, the twenties meal how long did Chris read do because he probably didn't go that bad like nine minutes. Okay. Yeah. He's he's a professional to Langston lakes and actually was eighty four minutes. It's eighty four minutes, which is about the the Runtime of Annie hall. Yes. Exactly. Well, he had I think he had just seen any hall, and he's like I could do this for longer. He just did it word for word exactly from memory to very talented guy at some point. I had to edit that basically piece mailed his his the different words all the different dialogue from Asia standups into his set because a lot of people don't know in anti-holiday, speak everywhere to me English length any hold the very first line of dialogue is what he goes the quick Brown FOX jumps over the lazy dog. And then that gives you every single letter to use it doesn't every sound, and you can just just putting scale it together. Yeah. But it's a it's a really cool show. Who do you have on further episodes? Oh, yeah. I mean, you stand up wise we have people like George Wallace. Because there's another thing that I wanted to do which was extensively bridge gap between different generations accompanying bridging gas, actually, exactly Benetton United uniting these colors because when you see these standard shows on comedy central. It's whoever's hot whoever's new, and they're like, hey, you know, I'd love to have this fifty year old person ago. He's had his time in the sun. Exactly. And I kind of wanted to if you will pay my respects to those who came before us did they feel respected after the show. I believe they did especially like Finally, I got my respect that. Yeah. Except for one person. Who's like, I don't get no respect. Oh ridings on. But he wasn't. He tried to get them. Like, you're not black right? Oh, I don't get no respect that's respected Malek in my book. It's true. Who else who else? Do we have George Wallace? Vanni funny. One of the funniest they'll Rawlings. Sutiarso mehta. From the current generation the curve from the older generation of SNL. Yes, l'oreal. Oh, Candice Thompson tone Bill. Sonja, Johnnie who is a younger median there's a couple that we get to break. I've six she. She just started talking that babies on the show her. I joke was take my wife, please. And that's pretty funny. I mean, she put the young young men and seeing what say that who do you have for musicians who come on the show. We have Fonte we have method man, we have MSN doom M F tomb. We have a Sama's, Liz. Oh, wow. A bunch of different. Really interesting. Do they all do videos with Mike? Yes. Okay. So they don't come on and do live performances. They all do video. They do not and the videos are great the video in this. First episode has Jake Wiseman who was also on the show recently from corporate. Yeah. It was a weird thing. I wanted to do where it's like, you know, like rappers get to shout out other people. They like artists collaborators so in the videos, I kind of wanted to shout out all these different comedians that that I like like Jake Weisman Marcel arguello's in that or zone. Oh, so like, all these great comics and every single. I tell you you pack, so much in so many great people in in the just the first episode. I mean when I saw oh, wow. There's three people and a musician. It was like how are they going to do this and then Hannibal jumps up? And it's like oh. And then you guys are doing time in between. It's really an achievement. It's it's a really appreciate. That's good. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Hopefully, we get to do more and do it better. How many did you do? We did eight episodes eight. Yes. Eight is enough aid is. Yeah, it is. It is enough. But not for you because you want to do more. Do you want to do one more? I will like to do all let's see. Let's see what happens. I would like to do this show for a couple years because there's a lot of comedians. I loved that. I would like to get on to run out of comedians. Yeah. Surprisingly, no, Scott, surprisingly, no, they keep making them big. It's you. In a certain point. They would stop you would think that. But I tell you here in L A. It's like, oh, hi, I'm a comedian. God it they bust them in from comedia-. I just don't understand it. And it comes on this this Friday comedy, central eleven PM, the coveted. Is all the young people are at home watching television. When it's on eleven on a Friday. Yes. The post what do they call that on ABC on Friday nights? The you're looking no no back in the day. GIF TGIF. Yes. The post TGIF's going to have some fun. So you how it's done TGIF something like that something like that. He did it perfectly. Barron. So good in you and Mike have a wonderful report when how long had you worked with Mike a couple of years we've been doing a live show here in the Los Angeles. We were doing it to UCB Franklin. Now, we're at the Virgil I had started this show with Bridgetown comedy festival many years ago, especially because it's like comments are coming from all over the country to down to do that festivals. I got to meet a bunch of comics. I never knew before. Wow. Who's essences? I got absorb essences Neta pun note. That's that is a magazine. I didn't even think of that was still around. Yes. Invive? And well, yes. Of course, they still they're still essence vibe jet magazine still has the beauty of the week jet. Yeah. My neighbor got all of those and I would get because steal your neighbors, Geno. No. I was in number two, and they were in penthouse to and the male person would get it mixed up all the time. So quite often. I would I would just pull out a part of our mail ago. Oh, I got someone else's mail today. Because it would be a jet. I go. Okay. I could be like keeping it. This one's for me today. Excuse me. I got a. Well, it's a it's a great show. I hope everyone checks it out. I mean, you're on the rocket ship to fame at this point. After this Friday, everyone will you know, it'd be recognizing you in the streets. I get there. Well, sure. Oh my God. I love this as us usually older generation with the grace and Franky I'm talking to under sixty crowd is finally gonna come around to you. Yes. That's that's the crowd. I've been looking for sixty months sixty months to sixty years, and if they have pubis and by the way, if you better buke dot if you see barren out on the street show them, your don't I retract all bear on promise later. I retract what if you what if that became a part of your act, and then you sold t shirts that was like your face just said show mayor pew. I would buy that t shirt. Let's be on this. We on us. And I think just from this appearance could sell them, and it would be okay. This is really doing wonders for me merchant. How can I get talk about pubic breaks emerge? All right. We need to get to our next guest. Now, that's all right around for this. Around for this person. I do want you to sit around the entire show. Okay. That was part of the deal for sake. Mon you're gun. Tim show. Okay. But he is from Alabama pest control. That's exciting. Do you are are you a animal? Oh, I am. I'm also a fan of the John look was on the movie the pest. Oh, I don't know the past. What is the plot of that? I keep interrupting you is you're trying to sip your drink. What do you wanna do you want to answer? It. You wanna sit? Well, I'm glad you asked their Scott got. Given what he's really annoying. That's I guess that's what the whole point of the past is. So he goes around bothering beep. Yeah. I hadn't ever said it certain type of leg was on. Oh, man. Is he doing his one man shows? People who did not pay for ticket. Yeah. I flipped on HBO or Showtime or something one day. I need to start taking the the water here for a second. My God is that your real voice? Yeah. Just slipped into my real voice. All right. He's from Alabama pest control. But are you an animal fan? I am a fan of animals. Yeah. It's kind of mean to call them pests depends on what your relationship is with them. That's true. All right. Isn't a pest usually like the insect or something. I don't know. I mean, I think it implies like an unwanted animal perhaps favorite or a Mongoose gets into your house or something like that. We'll find all got a capi barrow problem. He is he's one of the Simpsons that this is fun. The Samsun sons, wait a minute. This person is one of the Simpsons. I think so his name's Denny Simpson. But he might be related to those the distant relationships. Welcome to the show. He's from Alabama pest control. Please welcome. Denny simpson. Hello though Simpson. The debt. Downtown. Not sure what you don't know this song. Oh, this is great Danielle van Byron bam. Incredible. And as that sounds like an incredible song. You never really is. It's really good. Have you ever heard of the show the Simpsons? I'm not aware of the Simpsons. Oh, I just know that I mean, my family's kind of weird. It could be its own show. What's your family? Like is there a dad and a mom and a ball dad who got a white shirt blue pants who wears all the time? My momma, she's got know. It's almost like your hair's blue because it's it's so great a him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Blue haired old lady green shirt. Yeah. Really long shirt. Yeah. How'd you anyway? Well, I was just here to talk about your deputy Simpson. Oh, yeah. Danny Simpson's from the Alabama pest control album allied to also refer to it as critter control because. Yeah, I don't like saying Pesci there. Yeah. Exactly. It's mean, isn't it? It's made I'm all about the ethical capture and release of these animals and people for the ethical capture and release of animals. I've heard that or if I could start organization called Pekar, and you know, that that would join it. Okay. Good. You know, I would pay dues of upwards of three hundred dollars a year three hundred dollars. Okay. That's an interesting ballpark. We're going to have to do a little market research and see if that's viable. How many how many members do you at three hundred year? Do you think would sustain your organization we're going to be a couple thousand? Big big goals. Six hundred thousand dollars just to stay. Well, you know, there's a lot of animals endanger out there in Alabama famous. Specifically people have what kind of animals you got out there. Well, I can't tell you. How many times have crawled underneath the porch to grab a possible? I back who now or a cat out all kindly under porches, honor porches. They like to get under there. They pretend it's a little house for them. And then it's like a tiny house under a house like furniture like pictures of their family often kind of debris like that. And they're like, it's it's not really kept after and then the animals kind of, you know, we'll be animals, and it will be animals, and they go in there, and they kind of ruined the stuff a little bit. But yeah, they they will. I mean, they don't have a opposable thumbs. No. So they basically owns there. Oh, they do. Oh, yeah. That's true. Because they're opened up garbage cans and tell you how many times have gone down there and tell us how many times you've done these things. It sounds like you have you seen? Sounds like you have you seen stats it happened a lot and more. So than I count. I'm not great with numbers. But so it hasn't happened a little time, and you're just dumb, and you can't count that high. No, it's happened at least happening too many to think of a number maybe too. Well, this is why you couldn't tell us. It's not that. It's not that many. Or is that really? Hi, I'm not sure. But I looked I've seen these raccoons under there. Just short of a family. I see spiking Orage air. That's true. Yeah. I mean, I diet that color or this is natural. Imagine failure naturally. Half of us about have this hair. Maybe four out of five of us have Haley. Okay. Yeah. You have sort of a complexion sorta like the tangerine and chief Donald J Trump if I may be political for just one second. And now, I'm. Stopping I'm stopping so. Yeah. You have a jaundiced complexion. Yeah. You just sort of spray to ethically. Lets me handle animals. It's sort of orange spread. They don't like it. But it keeps them from biting me occas part. So they don't like to be close to it. So they don't bite your skin. Yes. Okay. But it doesn't make it doesn't make your hands slippery. So it's all a hundred times, it's very slippery. Wait a minute. You only have four digits. Yeah. What I mean? That's all you have to be honest, going under them porches can't tell you. How many times I've had fingers bitten off by? I would assume twice before the spray. Maybe be somewhere around two. Wow. So so what did you come here to talk about? Why just talking about? Ethically. Capturing these animals, I am I don't think I've been doing this long time. I've realized that we don't really need to to tranquilize animals or put these little that's what a lot of other pest control places. Do they see an animal and they're like get the gun. Honey, exactly, or they, you know, the husband and wife team. Pest control team thinking one of those big polls that has a little wire on it and the grammar around the neck. And I just use my hands. Yeah. I think that's more natural way. And they can come to understand me. And yes, sometimes they you know, I can't tell you anytime they called me up. You know, I take a guess though, four maybe four times maybe fifty thousand any of this a wide range, but somewhere in between that betwixt that. But we we gotta be more careful with these animals because they're they've been put on this earth. Just as we have. And we should let them safely get to a place where they can live their lives. Is there is there a reason for every animal, you know, how they say like, well, you hate bees. But you know, without them. Suddenly our environment is going to shit somehow, you know, or like, oh, you know, you hate snakes while they are there other catching the rats or whatever, you know, like every animal there seems like there's some sort of excuse that these people go like. You know, is is is that true for every single animal? Documentaries about that to earth. I believe I believe that fully. I mean, I grabbed this rattlesnake the, and it really it really went to town on my arm. Oh down. Yeah. Let me check that. That is you've not dressed that wound. I'm letting it letting it breathe. Do that. Because sometimes you know, you gotta let it gets mayor passed out when I put a band aid on assumed it had a corollary. So whatever orange and green whatever the mixture twos on the color wheel. Is that say yellow, I'm not sure I really don't want to say you have yellow. Not an expert in color, problematical. Well, but yeah, it's turning a weird color. Yeah. And it got me and that was part of that that snakes journey and that's next line. Right. Yeah. So what is the purpose of every animal just to kill some other MO? Can't we just kill the animals women? And then we're good. Are we animals though? That's the question. Right. Are we animals were Hyun us? That's true that an animal to be animals or pests that is interesting because I know that we have we what is the difference between a human animal, we can think. But I mean, they say the chimps can think there's that KoKo the gorilla supposedly could think. Yes, supposedly. But I believe it. I'm a co true. But I mean, I mean, maybe we live in a world where all animals can think, you know, they're living their lives. They're they're having full. Do you think our dogs thing? Yeah. I think there what do you think they think if they if their thoughts like have you ever tried to impersonate what a dog thinks he's probably just said it out loud. Just like, I'm hungry so hungry. Well, that's going to be true nine times out of ten. Yeah. Do you think dogs are hungry? All the time. I think they're always hunger. What a life. I mean. Just prevent hungry Scott. I mean, it's usually in the morning, then a few hours later, and then you come nighttime. I get pretty ugly then to. Yeah. I mean, I'm hungry about three times a day. I would guess give or take. It's really nice look fifteen for me fifteen. Yeah. But I like to eat small things. Okay. Do you like to micro meals to almonds? Yeah. Teen times times that's about thirty almonds. I can't tell you. How many times you've had thirty almonds? Yeah. I appreciate that. Because you're not necessarily eat animal unless you have to exactly ethically. Caught them. Denny you're here to talk about ethically capturing these animals. Yes. So talk about it. So listen, I want to say I don't use tools. But if an animal by any tools, I don't use tools these these mitts, and but if an animal hits me, I'm gonna hit it back. Okay. So the other day possum scratch me right in the face. Okay. What I'm trying to say come here come here and get out of here. A scratches me. And then and then I give them one right pal right in the face. So all it did was scratch you, but you decided to like hit lows fist punch him in the face, treat them like I would treat any of you hit me I'm gonna hit you back, but he didn't hit if I were to come up to you in meow and just scratch you in the face. You would punch me. I if he cut me across the face like this wound right here with your finger nail man. Maybe at punch you. But I can ask elation. Let me maybe I was ceded. Maybe I was seated maybe I got the Tipper got the best of me. But yeah. Clocked him right in the face. And then he fell fully asleep on the ground. I took him to the woods and he lived his life. And that's that's fully what do you mean by fully asleep? Well, I hit them. I hit him right in the chin. Right. He waddled back and forth as I'd or you look like a comical boxer. Yeah. Like when a boxers about to get Kayode. It was he went up on his back legs. Right. Then he fell out fell down. And right. And then I did the kennel in my head the ten count. Yeah. And then he was done. Did he ever like sorta get up? Like he reached for a little rope. And he couldn't he staggered. And then I thought he was good for second thing, you can do it. And then he just how just how ground again, so you so then at the ten count you've you've thought he was asleep. Yes, he fell asleep and fully asleep. He's well, that's how I fell asleep. He lights out. So I mean what I mean if I were to hit a little tiny thing, you know, I think the force. I mean, you're I mean, you're a you're not a big person, you're approximately like four hundred four hundred six or so with your hair hundred nine pounds. All right, wearing shorts flu shorts one hundred nine with my skateboard. So knock this little guy out. And and that makes it so that I can ethically. Take him. Right. I'm worried that you killed a raccoon with with a forceful blow that was his skull intact. I don't know why I'm saying his was there SCO intact their skull. I don't know if their school was an intact or not. I mean, I I picked him up and I didn't look down again. And I walked all the woods and dropped off. And I left without making sure that he woke up I'll say that. Okay. I think I think you killed a raccoon. I don't I really don't. I've really your hands, by the way. Yeah. I feel I'm feeling really good about my actions. And so I really don't think I do is it because you didn't use tools. Well, yeah. Because I mean, I'm not throwing a piece of metal on this animal. Right. I'm not. I'm not using something on natural like a chemical. Yeah. But I mean, can I ask you a question where you were? Did you happen to be wearing anything like brass knuckles at the time? I got these guys on I mean. Yeah. Oh, I noticed those when you walk this. I love and then and then we'll right. And they have a little spikes on them as well. I mean, those are the are derived, motorcycles or something. What do you have? I walk around, and I put my leather jacket on where my sunglasses, and you know, so you're like, a cool like those those t shirts that you would get at swap meets. Yeah. Like a different version of. Of yourself of myself. I'm thinking, I I go to swap meets a lot. And there's there's like an interesting Instagram channel that has a bunch of pictures of me, but little different rights, Michael, Jordan, right? That was interesting. Yeah. You with dreads? Yes. Yeah. Exactly. I don't know where they're getting these pictures to me. I don't know. But you know, and then you know, I've taken care of other animals has this happened multiple times. Woody. What is what is your MO when you approach and animal what you're not using tools? Yes. So what would normally happen? First things. First you go in there. You don't you shine a light or anything, and you just cross forward as fast as you can the dark in the dark crawl forward. Yeah. Are you worried about getting anything saying Hello? And then usually with comically exaggerated southern accent? I put on the accent a little bit. When I go there. Hello because I think sometimes imagined animals thinking, and it's like that. Well, I mean, I imagine it lowers their defenses because when you hear someone with that harsh of a southern accent. Usually think oh, this person isn't that bright? Now, there may be kinda dumb or something. But like, and so often, you know, it seems like last week a cat was under a house. No. You know, rather large cat, and I go in there. Hello, hello. And it looks at me. And it gets a little scared at me. And then it jumps. And it touches my back. And when it touches my back, I used sort of a judo move and flip it over pounding using the force of the cats against itself. Yes, judo. Yes. And this was a heavier cat. So I used that. I was able to use sort of its weight against itself right lifted over and then did sort of left, right? Kick combo. Wait with your fists and your booze right fist kick. And this cat fully sleep. Like a hard kick or short kick. There's a hard short kick out enough space in there to do you know, you can do a full long. Yeah. How long has a long kick to you, Barron? Well for him. It's not that long. I mean, he's so short so about two feet to two and a half feet. Right. We're talking. This was a straight kick for me. So it was like one foot. It sounds like you're using a lot of 'em may on these cats mixed martial arts mixed martial arts, or me Levin animals. Okay. That's the that's part of the what's ethical about it. Yeah. You mix love with discipline. Yeah. With these animals that makes sense, exactly. And you know, this guy was out cold. And that was he was fully asleep. Fully how many animals have you put fully to sleep gosh, anywhere between I would say three or four hundred thousand four hundred thousand and and is that why you need the six hundred thousand dollars a year for your organization is this some sort of defense fund, or you know, a lot of people don't like how do it? And so I would think everyone would disagree with you. I mean has there ever been a time where you've rescued an animal? I mean every single one I would say, yeah. But you're putting them in the woods. I mean in some sort of like mass grave shore of hundreds of thousands of of dead animals. I mean, what sleep in their asleep to you. But I mean, do the would smell do they call them, stinky woods, I'm often congested. I'm very allergic to animals. This word. I would have to say that. Yes. I every now, and then I passed hikers coming through that area. And they're like, you know, I can't smell it. But they're like you and that sort of west sound stupid. Yeah. And they're they're idiots. So it's like who am I going to trust that or not and say, well, I think that you're I mean, you're almost look this is how serial killers get started. Am I right baron? I mean, killing this this number of animals have you escalated to humans yet? I'd have helped some humans. Oh. Oh, look, look, sometimes a human will get caught under house. Schlemmer or other, you know. Wait your co workers. They're not there were no work at the same company. But sometimes I'll control outside. Oh, a competitive house. And then I'll run in there now go. Hello. Hello. And I will rescue and save both the animal that they're fifty use their harmful gadgets on and then the human down there. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You're year. I mean, you're a monster. I don't believe it's mantras for me to get between the animal and human and fight them would of this of these woods. I want. I feel like the authorities need to check this place out. The latitude is one thousand seventy nine hundred fifty eight okay. Good. Is that you gotta use my. All right. Look we need to take a break. Okay. I feel like, you know, you're you're as mischievous as as your namesake Bart Simpson. But I'm not sure. Yeah. But you're a little I don't know. He just he has a whole litany of things that he writes about on a chalkboard. He shouldn't be doing anymore. I would love for you to on our chalkboard over here. I will not put animals nor humans fully to sleep anymore. Can't make any promises he do that about fifty times on this chocolate right here. All right while I sing this data data. All right. We need to take a break. We'll be right back with more comedy bang after this. Hey, kevin. I'm supposed to do. This supposed to do is live read for Thomas English muffins. But the problem is every time I just do a read I get to hungry, and I have to stop it in the mill after eat them up. And I'm thinking what if I just started? And I did that while I was eating the Muffin is that. Okay. Is that going to bother to many people? I mean, if people have AS MR, or is that a thing you have or is it the thing you like, I don't even know. But I think people are gonna like is. I'm just going to eat some of this Muffin right now. And. That is good. Man, I tell you a morning without Atanas English Muffin is a morning wasted. Because you know, I like to eat Thomas English muffins topped with jellies jam. I don't know the difference. Put them on a Muffin. I don't care about the difference. Peanut butter. Hall. Thomas's would peanut butter that it does not get better than that. This one's dry. But I didn't put anything on it because I'm just so hungry. I'm just going to this is like swallowing an aspirin without water. And then I just goats my tandem bicycle. Which is how I get everywhere with cool up. We try to always make sure we go to the same places and leave at the same time. Even if it's hours and hours separated from each other. And she has her Thomas's. Of course, you know, she has it with margarine or butter cream cheese cream cheese out of Thomas's English Muffin. They know log that. Of course, I do this before brushing my teeth. So don't worry about that. I'm not going to smell like peanut butter the entire day. But it's a great great way to start your day. I mean, yeah, sure, I take a shower somewhere in there. Sometimes it's before sometimes it's after but. Is that what this is about is about how my day starts? I really don't know. Even what I'm talking about right now. All I know is this this Thomas English Muffin is the best. Of course. I eat the light multi grain God exercise, first of all that bike. It takes me three hours to get anywhere in California here in LA, that's mainly. My my main source of exercise, but I'm also doing key goals the entire day. Look, you gotta try these things if you've never first of all if you've never had a Thomas English Muffin, you're certified insane. I think you must be an alien from another planet. If you've never had one of these everyone has had a Thomas's English Muffin. And you know, it's been so long since I finished this first one. And now, I'm hungry again. Just talking about it. I'm going to have another one. Okay. So I gotta end this. Anyway, Thomas English Muffin. Remembered nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Remember june. When Batman came out good times. Remember biking around the city looking for Batman posters that you could take out a bus stops. I do but something. That was maybe even more interesting. Although I don't know it's hard to say that this is more interesting than the story about me biking around the city looking for Batman poster steel out of bus stops. But I'm gonna try it. 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Yeah. Bees a couple of beats. Yeah. There were a couple a couple. Okay. Yeah. He's stuck me. Precisely the same time. Oh, that's companionship. Yeah. We need to get to our next guest. He's an automobile salesman. Although we don't know where he sells these automobiles have. It'd be my first question question. Do you have your first question locks loaded biz? And did what do you got? Okay. Well, you can save it go tell me what I was just gonna ask what kinds of cars. So that's good. Like, what brand do you mean or okay? Good size. Save that save that. Yes. Size mid-size. Yes. Is there? They compact midsize. And then what I think it's I think it's grown. Dave NT, David small. Do you have your first question, Danny? Yes. What is the best animal for? For what for driving animal to drive a car? All right. Save it. Okay. That'll be your first. All right. We all have her first questions. He's not a mobile salesman. Please welcome Gregory Smith. They have going. Look a lot of questions right out the gate because there's a lot of questions and a lot of clarifications. I gotta do you you maybe you you. You were saying I say automobiles, but actually I feel more than automobiles. I sell experiences and stories, and I said one automobile at a time because what I like to do is. I like to trade up a get a get automobiles would stories behind them like by. I automobile was from from from a mayor, Omar Bradley of County, California. I bought his call. And then I was like oh well concealed is. This is a story. This is the mayor. Did you go fly it if you didn't think you could tell it? Oh. Because I was like I knew I focus on one thing at a time. You just wanted to buy I wanted to buy it. But I was like I could sodas this brand is called as a, you know, a sold. It flipped it sold. It flipped it. Next thing. You know, got got George Wallace on heard you talking about George wells had his call. You know that was a good one. It was Cadillac DeVille. W-won't flipped it sold it for the did sold. It. What is the flipping involved before? You like you flip it and you sell it. Then you flip it again. Then you sell obviously when I sell you a car went about a car you had. So like, you know. Yes. So for example, if if you Scott all or baron, if you wanted to buy a my don't Danny out of this because that's the story. I don't want that. You're not you're not interested in his car. I don't I don't want that store. So okay. No, no offenses to you. And and what you got going on. But those are stories I'm trying to tell happy stories you have happy story. So when you buy a car, you're buying their story. Oh, yeah. Because I have a whole process. So when I meet say, so a meet you we're going we're going by by the com- Baio call. I require three hour sit down. Yeah. Yeah. We sit down for three hours like talking to a minister, Marie get married. But condu- because I need to know. What story I'm inherited because I can't flip a bad story. Let me tell you. So we if we were to sit down you would ask me what all of my experiences in the car. You know, tell me about the time. You lost your virginity? What was that? Like who regardless of if it happened in the car, you know, because that might lean into it. You know, how sometimes you you wanna take a class? You got pretty wet Chris sits, I guess, but my car right now I'd had it for about ten years. And I lost my virginity long before that. I can't tell you. How many you? All right. So you anywhere between two and Laura we'll do not move onto the next question. Okay. All right. What G for breakfast every day? Every see. I've it varies as much as I would like dangerous meet the same thing. Oh, yeah. Every day. I wake up eat one a raw. Of course. Why would you burn the minerals? Okay. What about the shell the shell? You know, you definitely want to crack that open sharing of. Yes. Okay. Yes. You're saying it's a win. It was just going to say like one eight doesn't seem like enough but the shell. Okay. Adding Sheldon one it an orange juice and a toast. I want one slice over a whole loaf. What are we talk? When we say toast, talking about one slice of toast that unconfined, you know, because I'm on the road because I I drive around this road toast. Yeah. You said where from I'm from everywhere because I'm constantly dry. Was going to be my first question. Yeah. Because in wise, eat the same breakfast because no matter where you go no matter where you are on the road. You can always find an egg some orange juice and a Tokes and you said an orange juice before. Now, it some orange juice. This story is not adding I'm may or may not be swiping some of this. Oh, gotta keep overhead low. I gotta keep overhead low trying to sell one call it takes long periods of times. Well, shouldn't you be opening yourself up to other foods for breakfast? Then if like, you know, it seems to me like if you're if you're stealing food, you steal whatever you can find. No, no, no. Are you consistently finding a chicken? Oh, whoa. We'll get panic from. I don't know we get eggs at stores, they sell them without without the chickens, and you imagine if every time you had to buy to buy chicken with it. You know, those one time I had to live with a chicken in the call. But you lived with a chicken someone someone like you if you if you take the call, you gotta take my chicken. That's in the truck. It was it was it was a Ford. It was a Ford one fifty. Okay. Those are big truck. And I I know someone who would be interested in nineteen seventy five. Okay. So so it had a chicken in back, and I bought that from the foam, John, you know. Yeah. Me I've seen his picture on the package. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it just like, obviously, his grand grand grandson. But like, call them be foam, John, you know, another thing you really into the new negroes of about if I told you I had a Ford model t that was once owned by Frederick Douglass. Wow. Yeah. I would find that hard to believe. But I, but you know, still want to hear the store. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously, that's what took pharma John up up found a gentleman up north in Baltimore. And I was like, hey, I sell caused what stories what do you gotta sat down with him for three hours, and we just talk and he lost his virginity at the age of sixteen right behind the soda pop. Staying and next thing, you know, he's talking about how he inherited Frederick Douglass fourteen. And I was like that wasn't funny. He was going to sell you original. No, no, no, he that. He was trying to sell me some say shit, Mazdas two thousand six Mazda miata. Who wants me on it? Yeah. I shake me out. Well, who mean? I mean the daddy. This is you'll take me out to you know, he's not giving me. Why are you think he looks like you, you you look like see I would have priced. So tried to say that foam, John truck, you see you look like a man who needs to all lots of things may be animals and people. Okay. You need to call me up that small I'm trying. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out your process here. Because you say you say you sit down these people to buy their cars. You also say that you only buy cars with people that you give their cars to or you just trading cards with people after a three hour sit down up yet mostly lot of trade in. But sometimes, you know, I'll I'll get a little money like, especially apparently, so museum said that there's a reason they should have the Ford model t that Fred Delage drugs. This drove around in historical. I was like, okay. Well, if I'm gonna take ninety two Toyota Tercel a little money on top of that. How much did you get for dollars? Cancer cells, aren't that? Good. Yeah. So so that's why you're keep it doesn't seem like you have a viable business plan. I mean, you you need to keep your overhead low because you're not making any money. You're just wandering the country swapping cars with people for the mere purpose of listening to them talk about they're losing their virginity. Did what it's all about for you feel like me, and you will not so different. You know, you just record yo come six. Yeah. But I'm not I'm not immediately asking people when they lost their job. I mean, we'll get to it, by the way bear and Wendy's lose your Jimmy. I think I was seven to think you're seventeen interest. Pretty sure I was. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you more like a eighteen. Okay. Maybe it was. Yeah. Anytime anyone says seventy you usually add a year that the rule. Yeah. Okay. Any you lose the old v card? I haven't yet. I'm a little boy. That's right. I feel sorry. So sorry stayed away. You're in roughly second third grade. I think I'm in a four frame sisters in second or third. Okay. Who's your teacher? He's well, sadly, a teacher of my pass away. Right. I think I have some new teachers. Party with what's going on leave? Right. Confusing kind of burly for a little boy ELS. Yes. That's a short, man. All right. Thank you got some statutory appreciate out. So you you're just wondering the country talking to people trading cars, while why did you why did you get into this line of work because? It was ever since. I've I bought that. I call every time I, you know, pick someone up and they'd say, oh, this is Omar Bradley's call, you know, they named a a breakfast after him at the roscoe's and Compton knows lading. That's like a story. It was like that is a story was like you could probably so sodas call for more than you bought it because you have a story, and I was like. Doe. So what ahead? No one likes reykdal. Yeah. I want to treat these stories because sounds like a thing. My dad would say a little different though different there. He had an apostrophe in his what I remember. Because essentially you're going to get a story. That's that's the big one. Everyone searching for that big one. And you haven't found that one yet. I haven't found a big one. I mean, you had Frederick Douglass his model t that's pretty nice huge. But the museum, you know, the it was hard debating them. We that was a six hour conversation real. Yeah. And then they started talking about it was it was like the Frederick Douglass debates. We tried. I that's basically what brought to the table took one of his great debates and read it word for word. And they said, no, we'll give you fifty dollars in this Toyota Tercel, and I took it how good deal when it will be. Okay. You're waiting for your Moby, Dick. You're no pun intended, Janati stuff. But you're you're waiting for to land at great big white wail of of the story that's going to. Make you rich exactly because I'll know when a stop because I know when I could sell the car and don't need a trade a car because that's the story that's going to make me make big and I'm gonna go all the way back back to Alameda boulevard in Compton. And I'm a by my house back. Oh, so this is about that. Who who did was it will have sold my house to buy the the the car that Omar Brad, which was your house worth of miles. We're five thousand dollars. Okay. What year was this this? This definitely was denied teen. Ninety one definitely housing dollar house in ninety one. I mean, I don't really know what the market value is. I mean. Yeah. May of undersold it, but I need money fast that call was five thousand dollars, and he said look somebody else's coming to buy. So if I would have waited for the paperwork and all that. Yeah, would've. Yeah. Could've gotten way more for it. But I needed five thousand dollars by five PM on that Friday. She got a quick close. All okay. Yeah. It was how long has asked grow. Oh, man that like an hour. Pretty much was. They they ran through it to be on his you have time to get your stuff out. Did you tell? Yeah. Yeah. So they keep everything as is. Yeah. Because what's found out? This was a home are brand new car. I was like I can't live here anymore. This is gonna take me around the sun care a lot about Omar, Bradley. Yeah. You don't remember? Oh, my Bradley. Tell me about him while he was a male of, you know, everything about waiting Wendy. Do you lose his virginity? Oh. See now, you get into the juice juice is that what do you say spoke to him. He lost his virginity and nineteen eighty one to his injuries earlier in years earlier. Well, high school sweetheart how long was he out of high school at that point? Or was she in high school, and he was forty. You know? I don't ask the details. I just want these DJ. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he he don't wanna tell either. He just said he. That's all, you know, eight five thousand dollars for your house for my how did you give him five thousand dollars for the car? Yeah. Give him five thousand dollars for the call. You gave it to me. And and I just hit the road. I was like now I gotta find a better story. So also you were homeless. Yeah. Then you say hit the road. What do you mean? Like went under the bridge for awhile. No took that car all the way down to Florida. Get good mileage. Wow. So then I was looking free thousand miles away. Yeah. Yeah. So let me get in Florida. Who knows maybe I could find a caught at maybe a Miami dolphin. Will. You know owns or somebody big down here. I I really didn't find anyone there was that Miami dolphin the kicker who. Fucked up the game who then got some sort of went through the transition. I believe and kidnapped adult the mascot for second of an investigator found a wound her eventually, that's right. I remember. Yeah. He was an ace investigate does L in the news. We write that down with with this 1993. Okay, right, January after you got this car in. Tune to me for a little while. Oh, really really investigator. He was investigating you use a Kaelin quick. Was it Africa or approximately two hundred ninety five? I I saw this rhino that. I wish for sure was not another rhino was animatronic about it. And I got out of there. You left Africa entirely entirely. Wow. Okay. You were spooked. So you were in Miami. And you were looking for a dolphin. We'll maybe somebody for Miami dolphin. Okay. And then what ended up happening is, you know. Abound around from spot to spot, eventually a found someone who recognized this, you know, someone you recognize that you can in Florida Florida that you can say who it is. This was years later, so this this so I was in Florida from nineteen ninety. Ninety one through about two thousand seven thousand six that's the long term help selling this car is why eat eggs for breakfast because it takes a long time to sell the car you eat egg for breakfast and some Moore's use and Tokes. And so so sixteen years pass, and you have the same car were you living rallies home? The I was living in the car, of course, in eggs every morning, didn't eggs more. Whatever toast. You can find look by the doors. Sure that if you found no stories, they'll store sixteen sixteen years to those little pop sensation by the name of pit bull. Oh, starting to blow up and he needed to get rid of his car minister, world wise to worldwide, and I was like, I'm I'm gonna sit this man down. And I'm gonna tell them. Luckily for me he was well versed in in Compton municipalities. Yeah. It was very very interested in Omar, Bradley car. So I was able to take his car. And when did he lose his fraternity he lost his virginity at thirteen? They give man. Yeah. If I were pit bull. Although have you seen those pictures of pit bull before he became pit bull. No. I haven't seen wearing a tracksuit is just like without the talks. He's not pit bull. You know when you use wore full tux, soft. So I don't know. He's driving around in the fall. What did he have a well eat his car was actually pretty interesting because it wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was a ninety five and I was like this is kind of new for someone who's just blown up. You know, visit two thousand seven. But it was new new or somebody who's just on taking care of it. Yeah. Yeah. Because I I like to keep my cars, you know, went out when I was when I was buying 'cause normally I would like to keep them five years from the you were buying cars. Normally before this. You know, when you when you drive it around before I was say, oh when you were just seeing them for pleasure. Yeah. No previous life. I was I worked in the government. But doing city government or city government I worked for the registered quarter in birthdays in marriage certificates. Oh, okay. Yeah. On his job. But I was like there's more money out this. So why don't I spend the rest of my left? Trying to flip one call. So in two thousand and seven pit bull has a nineteen ninety five Ford. Tourists, and I was like let me get on that four to us. They make Lassus beckoned. Cable with a car you might have been under. Hey, I kind of. We've done to your first question yet, by the way. I don't even know what it was. It was either this story. Those just so fascinating figure out the details. So I was like, okay. I'm onto something. I got I got move quicker. Sixteen years was way too much lagged because that definitely got bought down. I had to I had to take no money on it. He said, right? It'd be when you Twenty-three, you know, by the time, you know, that's in the future. Yes. To sell more cars. So it took that car, and I drove north to took took drove up missed three or four and before I left. I told him one thing I was like. This Kodak company that looking for something which Kodak company, the Kodak company Kodak family, coats, the allies like keep your eyes on him and hit the road. Okay. You gave him stock tips or I mean, I don't know if you all saw that d- that deal he had with Kodak what you're. One of his songs you use. I use pitcher that with a Kodak and apparently got a lot of money. Okay. I was like he took my advice because not a lot of people take my Outkast, you shake it like a polaroid picture. They got paid. How did mR worldwide get paid for just singing about God? I want to talk about things. Yeah. What do you want to? I want to get money from something. That's a that's a kind of a discrepancy is IBM's earned people should by IBM ze. Yeah. Wow. So then after that, I was like I got to move faster took this took my tours of the Boston bump into none. Other than probably one of the best basketball players have autom- Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Celtics on the cell walls, Dibble's car. Yep. You really run here. Larry Bird, where did you park parked it in public pumpkin space right next to a bean factory bird playing basketball. Wait a minute. Heard different bird is not good to drive a car. All right. So you didn't park it at Harvard yard. Okay. Okay. Good to know. I didn't. I didn't try do. I was like, okay. What about the advice? They give you. Oh, okay. Because I I heard, you know, bosses known for their baked beans. So let me go to a bean factory Sandro straight to a bean factory. They weren't given tours. Apparently, that's not a normal thing. So walking down the street kind of sad. And I was like the other day. Yeah. Then a went bumped into Larry Bird, and he comes into him bump, then he's I mean, if he's coming at you, he you know, I mean he was good on defense. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I use throwing elbows might have been pushed by. But I to sell it fell on the ground, you flop or did you get full disclosure threatened to sue them because fell into the street and got hit by a car? And I was like unless you trade the car with me, I'm going to Doherty's while she had something on them. I had something on Larry punched me. I'd make him go to sleep fully asleep. Police. Yeah. Yeah. So what kind of car did Larry Bird habit? He's he's in retirement. So is talk talking. We would go. Now, I'm getting I'm talking about a nineteen ninety nine Sadi's been see class when newer by four years. So I'm like, okay. Two thousand in ten ten yet two thousand and ten by this. Okay. Good guests on my two thousand fifteen year old car C class. Yeah. Okay. I'm like, okay. I'm on something. And when did Larry Bird loses for Janati a labor laws game. No, he lymphatic their Bert. Still averge. Nerd, yeah. Yeah. You know, Larry nerd Morlin? Yeah. Yeah. He's like he's like, he's listening, George. How can be as good as basketball as me and have sex. And I was like I can't argue with that logic. I don't know. How can you be as good at basketball as me and have said, yeah, I guess because there's where you have that thing where it's like you have sex. Suddenly your energy is gone. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I mean, historically basketball players don't have much. No, not at all. One basketball player it's ever had a lot. I mean, maybe Kobe famously maybe look I think it's all just lies from the media just to make them. The cool thing is in basketball player has ever had sex. 'cause how you going to be able to shoot free throws. If you nagging your little singling true. Get in the way of free throws. Because first of all you're like bouncing the ball. But you're Boehner's out. You're gonna hit it with the bowl while you're bouncing as you prepare to throw the free throw this. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense as I'm concerned talking about. So you have Larry bird's C class. And are we going to go through every car or we could just jump to a gun? This last cost was the last car that you have now. Now, I have Dwayne Johnson's lime scooter Dwayne the rock John Wayne the rug Johnson. He was on the line scoot. And I was like I'm willing to trade you this tesla model three for that. But he doesn't own that scooter. Yes. Yes. Is that one of those scooters you rent that? We're there you're seeing everywhere. These days of the up there in age. What do you mean written scooters? Well, people are leaving scooters everywhere in cities nowadays. Did he have a word onto say bird? Yeah. Yeah. It says a lot. No, no. It's a fruit. That's a scooter. Oh, this is a lime scooter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a company that you rent the scooter. So you saw the rock on one. Again. I said do you own that it was like, yes. And he sat down with me for three hours, and none of those three hours. Did he mention that? He did not own. He was just real interested in trading this tesla mount of three who did she get the tesla from oh, go all the way back. The tesla goes way back to Elon Musk because you know, on lease Joe Rogan experience that I was on because talking about my story about this show. Oh my gosh. He musk when did he lose his virginity and was it to Grimes under? Okay. We'll look. So you you now have you have the scooter that's the property of whatever company leaves the lion around, by the way. Why don't we just throwing these things into dumpsters? These days. You know, what I mean, you'll come after you ate who will come after you the limes. You just throw it in the dumps. If you see one on the street just throw it in a dumpster. I'm telling you there there there have been really scary anyway. So you have a worthless. Scooter that you're going to have to return to the company so it's been now nine ninety one. It's been eighteen years. You've been on this quest. Eighteen hundred twenty eight it's been. Twenty twenty years. Yeah. Twenty years you've been doing this and bamboos and you find finally got bamboos by Dwayne Johnson. Dwayne the rock Johnson out of all people the star of Baywatch. Ramp. I honestly I was I was ready to come in here. And hopefully sale the scooter the one y'all, but now that no I don't want it. I didn't know you're gonna have to give it back or throat and dumpster either. Either one of those things you need a scooter. Well, could you break the handle off and make it just sort of a flat board? Yeah. He's he's a skateboarder. I don't do the modifications. But I can't you know, control the modifications that you know, you might want to do after purchasing you. I mean, what what kind of are you into are you in the market for a new skateboard? Did you do something like land on top of a car or something landed on top of a car? And then I think my principal took it or something. It's hard to remember these tests. There's so many things happen to me. Yeah. Ooh. What what what would you trade me for this lump scudo, gosh, what about this sleeping turtle? Oh my God. You've run a dead turtle with you. I was on the way to the woods on the when I came in here, I'm going to have to pass only trade vehicles. And you know, I mean, a turtle is kind of like the car of the animal kingdom because it's got, you know, a hard top shell have you ever seen a duck? Right. A turtle. That's a vehicle does very true. I think you should make this trade. I mean, you have a worthless. Scooter you're going to have to give it back at least with a dead turtle. You can sell it to a museum or, you know, give it to the cops as far as evidence against den Denny over here or you can make some soup which could be its own breakfast. That's true already told you only one breakfast. But y'all drive a hard bargain. And I got to say I'm not involved in this. But you take out take that turtle. I'll take that. Don't give me that. 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It's unbelievable. It kind of is own busy. Great way of like. Wow. There's a lot of content there. But it's like you can't just blow through them at an eve. But the new one is very vengeful. Is it really the gauntlet? Okay. Yes. I gotta check six episodes. How long are these sixty five minutes? Okay. That's been jewel. We also have seventy minutes seventies. Okay. Sure. Speaking of digital. We also have Denny Simpson who his namesake's has hundreds and hundreds of episodes would be very difficult to binge. Those again, I'm not sure who these people are right. And we have Gregory. Who's an automobile salesman? Or more of a traitor in a way, sometimes money's own top. And now he owns a turtle. I'm a promise you next time. You see me you go see me in a car because I'm gonna do something with this. I do so animal you can turn dead turtle into car. It's you Gregory. I have I mean. Yes, it took sixteen years to make your first trae. But after that, you were boom, boom. But we didn't even have enough time to talk about every single one. So but speaking time it is time for one of our favorite features on the show. It's time for a little something that we'd like to call. Would you rather? All right. Would you rather? We all know how this is played people send us would you rather scenarios to our Twitter, which is at CBW. I are at comedy Bangui rather. I will read it aloud I will then open up the floor for questions. It's your prerogative to ask me any question. The like about either the scenarios in order to help narrow down your choice at a certain point. I will close the floor for questions there will be no warning regarding. So just be warned right now, there's never going to be warning regarding that so. Get those questions in soon as you can we'll tell you all the points, and then we'll figure out a winner. Okay. This comes to us from. At four Washington lane. I think that's a reference to something. I'm not sure what at four Washington lane. Asks. Would you rather have to give toast anytime? Someone says have nice day or oh. And this is working your side of the street. Gregory sell your car for a Flintstone mobile. All right. So would you rather have to give a toast anytime? Someone says have nice day or sell your car for Flintstone mobile. I'm opening the floor for questions are winded for influence to lose his virginity right out the gate. I mean that square jawed monster there. I don't know. I think that he he was probably, you know, like getting those rocks out. Pretty pretty early age. I think so I would say, you know, nine this story, that's turbine. That's yeah. That's the story before he had Bubes. I mean, that's barons interest. Right. They're not necessarily Hugues. I'm baron Vaughn. Are you in this reality good at giving toast? No, okay. Well, are you giving toasts right now? Yeah. That's why I say, no. I was saying that for you. Yeah. You're as good at giving toast as you are. But you know, I'm a little more interested in the other side of the equation. You know, the Flintstones are I'm not entirely sure. Okay. The Flintstones some neighbors that kind of a really bad house. It's a yeah. Kinda run rundown shoddy looking rock than anything. Yeah. Fred is that the dad might be read. Yeah. Wilma Wilma's definitely the wife. Yeah. But then there's a next door to them. There's Bernie bar next door remember? Yeah. I think they were right next door right next door because Barney show his window think. Yeah. Barney and then got who's married to that? Yeah. Yeah. Real Rosie O'Donnell type. If you know what? I mean. I don't know what I mean. I don't know. She looked like Rosie O'Donnell a kid, right? They do there's the kid. Pebble him. Yeah. Yeah. So narrow narrowing down. It's starting to. Yeah. They were on prime time television for a long time. Okay. Running for a while for a while. They were they were the longest, but no longer. So that's the Flintstones. Our question would you don't have to ask. If you ask you gotta just jump in my man, otherwise this floor is gonna close. Okay. When you give this toast. Does it matter where you are? It does not matter wherever you are. When someone says having nice day, you have to ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You always have to carry a spoon with you a metallic spoon and a glass, which you know, honestly, it has to be real glass. So it's breaking allot anytime. You forget about it. You sit down on it. And you're getting glass shards at the. But, but yeah, you go, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, whoever is there be it's at work be people on the street walking down the street just the other day. So a pretty lady, you don't know what to say regardless whoever is around you you have to gather everyone. And I mean, everyone if you're on. The street. You gotta be like, sir, sir. Comeback here. We're making toasts if you're in the car, if you're in the car driving, or no, you gotta make that toast. What's in the cook? What we sit on. So important to you. What do you like? I mean, we talked about your breakfast. Whether it's not orange juice, those just breakfast for dinner steak Malbak would lose Jimi churry stealing this back with the little Jimmy church. Skim on breakfast while out on the on the doing so based like a king at night. Yeah. And the Flintstones car runs on foot power. Yes. Yeah. You would sell your car for a Flintstone car that you would have to run which how fast can you run? Have you ever time yourself? Yeah. I'm probably about I'm really fast on about a fifteen minute mile fifteen minute mile. Okay. So your yeah. Your four miles an hours quick. Yeah. Yeah. I'm about thirty six miles an hour. So so I think it a little slow to get on the freeway. But yeah. Yeah. On my skateboard about ninety your ninety miles an hour on our skateboard that's too fast grinding rails. I the quickest route possible doing all these. Yeah. I can do a couple of hours flips couple kick blow my God. It's gotta be that venom in your veins. Yeah. Nine by the way. Well, at least you got rule that dead frog. Oh, yeah. The turtle cold turtles frogs while. Okay. When is the crossbar on the on the on the the Flintstones mobile been oiled with it'd been recently oil you concerned about the oil. Oh, you gotta you gotta know about all the time. We'll begin because you gotta own crossbow. So us. Yes. Oh, the stone can roll released. So no, I it was it every six months or three thousand miles. Oh, okay. This on the deal. How much you gonna get four your own car? It's first of all you're gonna ask, you know, win the Flintstones lost their virginity first of all. Yes. Of course at three hour conversation. Yes. And then you get about fifty dollars. Wow. So you sell your own car for fifty dollars. And then you. Which is I think some stick some rocks a bit of tarp. Maybe although I don't think they had necessarily, you know, woven tarp in those days. I know exactly what it was. But it seemed like maybe pelt is probably animal. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. How long have a toast? Do you have to give? Well, until someone cries you have to keep going keep giving tells until someone tells someone you move someone to tears. Yeah. That's the hard part you guys. Yeah. I don't like seeing people cry really not even a good way in. No you ever seen a toast where someone's like, oh my God. That's so touching that feels good. But then I'll think back to a time. I was crying about some sad. And then I'll get sad. So so that reminds you of someone crying tier what's this thing that what remind when you think of tears, what's the saddest thing that you can remember when someone's cried when to hit the road and start on this car. My kids would like dad you don't. You have them home the story. They went with the with the mom, obviously, you know, we would divorce at the time. And I was like yo little Bobby Jo and low, Jane, jeez, they're in their thirties. Now, they definitely ups right contacting them. I've sent the friend request on the Facebook. Lead. I left me did not accepted you the personal touch. And you're back in the states of California right now the personal touch of like wrapping on their door. You know, like actually going trying to show up and see them in person over the time for his own though. Everyone needs to know their father could around us for a long time and a certify ably insane person like yourself. I mean, I'm sure they would want some answers, at least your medical history that they can talk to doctors value. So. Yeah. Did that answer your question, Barron? I don't remember. So when someone cries, oh, then you can then you can pack it in. It's hard for me because I don't like being open invulnerable. Yeah. Which due to move have to try to strike down. See if we'll cry just to test it out on us. And this may inform your decision, you know, sometimes they say that a group of people that are together become bonded when they've been through something. Oh my gosh. I think Danny is Denny is as tier I think our bond is Kobe Bryant Denny is the waterworks not that I've ever group of people being together. I don't know. I mean, that's different than knocking animals out the bodies that you left in the woods. I just feel like I'm sweating. Okay. You're just we should probably get him to the doctor. You have some emotional issues as well. But I mean, if if Denny's around the there. There you go. That's a good question. Can you always have a friend with you that you know, will cry easily you can have Danny around. Okay. Only Dinnie you hang out with any in this scenario. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. So in one scenario, you give a toast until someone cries. And you're hanging out with Denny over here. All the time in the other scenario, you trade your car for the Flintstone mobile for fifty dollars. So I mean, you know. Not don't vote yet. Because obviously the floor is enclosed we still have time to get. I mean, I won't tell you how much time, but there is some time because the floor has no the floor is closed. I told him there would be no. All right. We're gonna vote. So let's go around the horn baron. What do you think I think I would sell my car the Flintstone car? Why? Now, why is that because I have a Honda can't be any worse than that. Is it also the hanging around with any part of it the hanging around with any part. I didn't wanna say LB. Yeah. He's got to murderous a murderous look who through the tears, but he might be dead soon. I mean, clearly something's don't have account. Okay. I'm not don't get. You don't have a cow, man. All right. Any how are you gonna vote? It's hard. I think I'm gonna go for toast, you go for toast. Oh, the tone. By the way, it's not by the way, this is going to be very hard for for Gregory over here because you have toast in one scenario, and you have card the other one. It's the two things he loved main drags. Yeah. All right. So let's get to him. Gregory. How are you voting? This is so fi choice here. This is not this is because when I heard toast owes real excited, but I realize that you've been a toast like the activity, you do it maybe a wedding or or of mass promotion in that scenario. You guys didn't ask about it. But you have a constant supply of toast. So that's gonna make it a little harder for you. Free toast for for life. Wow. Yeah. It's only by a small margin because I was definitely say margarine great on toast. I was because I was going with the toast. I was ready to go. But then I remembered that my current car is a dead turtle. And so I was like that. Definitely good trait. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good trait. Right. And they have a great story. I mean they were on for. Long time. They have a really funny stories. Yeah. No. That's the cod. Try and sell for million dollars. All right. All right. Well, let's tell up the points baron. You voted for the car and Gregor? You also voted for the car, and let's see Denny you voted for. What did you toast? The toast figured. I know I'm pretty bad at giving us, but I'll get better you'll have better better practice. Yeah. You might be the best added by the end of your life, Toastmasters even. Yeah. So toast master. Yeah. In any case. Let's see if you vote for Flintstone. You got one point if you vote for toasty get two points. Okay. You're a winner. Denny. Wow. Congratulations. And that's how we play. Would you rather? You want? Well, I think the snake minimum is given to me. Yeah. Gosh. Wow. That was a competitive game berry and Gregory. I gotta say you have the wisdom of Solomon with that. You you Wade both. And is this is a very tough one for you. Both parts of those babies that baby. Well, yeah. No, no down thinking. I'd. I need to get some o- toast. You know? You know, this was all just fun games. You didn't actually trade. You're dead. Turtle way. What this is just it was a fun game that we played you didn't literally try to play those kind of games. Oh. Does it come out of my mouth is real? All right, Gregory. I'm just saying, you know, we were it's like when you play risk. You don't you know, annex Russia yourself, you don't you don't get to keep Russia. You know? Are you gonna be okay? Are you right now? You're crying out what? No. Because I thought my left change back down. I was like this is it. I got the big woman to ditch Dennis hurdle change previous again. But on the big one, it's a pretty turtle mcgeough will take this turtle next time. You see me up from you. Go see me something. Nice and be riding in it. Yeah. And it might just sell it until then you can try to ride this turtle. Although it seems it mobilized you. So when does the Waco turtles wake up they sleep for about six hours of say? All right, this we're going on twelve year. But he's gonna wake up anytime soon. I doubt that turtles the Waco. Yeah. I don't know about that. Look, we're running out of time ourselves speaking, which but we have time for one last feature on the show, and that's a little something called plugs. These. Two. No, it was beautiful that was don't waste this plug time by a shiny object. They've submitted before very good. Very good. All right. What do we plug in Barron me? Well, the new negroes on comedy central in be ET, April nineteenth at eleven April nineteenth just a few short days away. I can't I'm counting the days. It's a good show. I saw the first one in you should too because I laughed. It's got some great people on it. So check that out. All right. Gregory. What are you plug in here? You gotta turtle turtle. I gotta tell you less than a PC cafe because I go to check my emails to see if my kids have accepted, my friend quest. Still not a what to the site twitch dot TV news God on the if dis if d ez he's real funny guy. Really enjoy the funny name because it's like these nuts. He's trying to imply early everyone who inches that man's Chet says. But it really is just a play on when that guy if he his mom used to call them if dog and then when snoop Dogg started doing the diesel shift. So he was like, oh, I guess update it too if DS, and that's just been as gaming name forever. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. You're fan of this person a fan of he has a podcast called nerd, if isn't that drops on Tuesdays and candy dinner with man up DACA on Mondays cool. He's cool guy. You should follow him. And if you need to buy turtle Email me at Gregory, you have a car and need to buy turtle. You wouldn't you wouldn't take money for this car? I have I have ten thousand dollars. I'm willing to give you for this. Turtle. But no vehicle. I can't give the vehicle I have no way home that might have to pass. Okay. All right. So just fun me. All right. We were playing we were. It was another round of will. He take the turtle. I unfortunately, do not get the turtle one of our favorite features on this show. Just Gregory g one-two-three ABC edgy mail fund me g ABC one-two-three. Office Anita see picture of the car before my way, and you'll send back a picture of the turtle Nelson Becca picture of the two. Okay. And it'll be unique picture. It'll be unique picture not to say, you're not gonna reuse. Same picture this show different angles. Turtles going to change. Good. All right. And I wanna plug. Let's see I'll be cluster fest. There will be a live comedy bang bang cluster fest in June that'll be fun June. I think June twenty two or twenty three something like that. So check us out there. I'm also doing alive. Are you talking Romy out there without him, Scott? Okay. And Denny well, what do you plug in here? Oh, I'd like to plug a show called troopers on college humor's subscription service dropout. I think the second episode came out today. Okay. I was under house. Yeah. Tech stay special who will under house, and it was playing. It's fun. Okay. You ever seen like a wicked witch under house often that would be another genre of person, you got the animal control people, the plumbers Plum, we could lead them wicked witches. It's one of the three usually. Yeah. Interesting. So that's the only thing you're plugging. Yeah. And then. You know, Asian af at UCB theater Sunday nights anything on Sunday nights on a television station family kinda hangs out. And you know, we're on around dinnertime on Sundays. We're really on. We usually tell a pretty concise story with a lot of jokes. Okay. Great. All right. So check that out. All right. Let's close the old plug, man. I do. Yes. Could be twice as long now. I'm enjoying it so much I really turned a corner on that. By the way, I'm gonna give you an extra plug outside of our plugs. What was that Email address again, Gregory, Gregory g g ABC one two three Gregory, g one-two-three ADC edgy Mel dot com. Send us a bigger of your car, and you'll send back at unique picture of a dead turtle. Yes. Okay. And that's a promise. That's a problem. All right. Very good guys. I wanna thank you so much Barron. Always great to see you could see Scott and Gregory good luck with your journey. And by the time, I see you next. You'll be on riding around and something else. I hope. Odd guarantee. It's okay. And Danny you have you all color has has dropped out of your. I'm like I need a ride to the hospital. I'm sorry. All we have is dead. Turtle here. Can I get a ride Metron started up after this? How are you going to do that with stick something in it Ripcord? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta you gotta tickle the size. All right. We'll see XM. Thanks bye. Everyone. 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LA County Sheriffs Gangs Pt. 4: The Compton Executioners

Secret Societies

41:50 min | 8 months ago

LA County Sheriffs Gangs Pt. 4: The Compton Executioners

"Something to note all of the groups covered on this show operate in secret the details included in this episode or based on extensive research but ultimately can never be one hundred percent verified except by society members themselves. Due to the graphic nature of these events listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of police brutality. Murder and racism. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen sometime in two thousand sixteen. A tattoo parlor in los angeles county california a needle carefully inc the laughing skeleton on the man's calf despite the smile the had a sinister look in its is then the fine point outlined a helmet and a rifle the autism labeled the helmet with the letters. C p t standing for compton around the skeletal figure. The needle created a background of flames. The insignia initiated the man into a ruthless gang within the los angeles county sheriff's department the executioners every members tattoo matches with one difference a unique number is assigned to each person. Just like a badge in compton. Some say this marking makes them more powerful than any other deputy. The execution is have been said to rule the content streets and dominate the own sheriff's station. The gang has supposedly used the threat of violence to create a culture of corruption. They stand accused of terrorizing their fellow offices and even murdering innocent citizens. The executioners are not only above the law in compton. They are the law. I'm vanessa richardson. And this is a special crossover episode of secret societies and kingpins both spotify originals from podcast for the past three weeks weeping taking you on a deep dive into the deputy gangs hidden within the los angeles county sheriff's department today on our fourth episode. We're talking about the comte. Executioners this click allegedly rules the compton substation controlling every aspect of its operations gang members have been accused of assaulting fellow deputies and even killing civilians claiming often without evidence that they were acting in self-defence and although they face several lawsuits somehow the executioners have evaded prosecution and any accountability will dive into what brought the l. s. d. to compton. After this this episode is brought to you by the twenty twenty one toyota venza upgrade to leak ultimate crossover with standard all wheel drive a hybrid powertrain and an available bird's eye view camera. The toyota venza is designed with everything. You need when you need it. Most learn more at toyota dot com slash venza toyota. Let's go places. The los angeles county sheriff's department patrols the unincorporated communities of la county and the city of compton located seventeen miles south of downtown la. Approximately one hundred deputies gone this working class municipality and according to the los angeles times about twenty of them belonged to a gang the executioners branded with a skull tattoo on their leg many say they mercilessly rule the compton streets and its sheriff's station but though they've always operated under the radar the execution is inner workings. Were only recently exposed. By two legal cases in two thousand eighteen a wrongful death lawsuit revealed they unifying tattoo then in two thousand and twenty a fellow deputy divulge them modus operandi in illegal fame even as these allegations surfaced. The lsd continued to deny the gangs existence even today the executioners seem impossible to nail down. It hasn't always been like this incompetent before the city fell into the elliott jurisdiction. Cotton once had its own police. Department incorporated in eighteen eighty eight. The city of compton established it's law enforcement agency that same year but throughout the twentieth century. The compton police earned a violent reputation by the nineteen eighties. The crips and the bloods vied for control of compton. And the budget strapped. Police department struggled to stop the violence. The first attempt to the gang unit was disbanded in nineteen eighty-seven due to a staffing shortage. When the department formed another gang unit the only members were two white men in a city who street gangs were primarily from the black and latino communities clearly content needed some help so los angeles police chief daryl gates sent the lapd to south la by nineteen eighty eight. He had created a brute force. Approach to policing the community called operation hammer as part of this initiative. The lapd performed massive sweeps in south la and compton a sensibly to catch gang members but instead they arrested many innocent black men often using excessive force by the end of the decade. The rest of the world knew about the comte and pedis brutal tactics. Nwea's a.'s. Hit album straight outta compton detail. The city's police brutality put incompetent on the national map but the public attention didn't make things any better in the nineteen nineties. Compton grappled with high rates of unemployment poverty and homicides city leaders accused to police chiefs of corruption and negligence. The compton mayor omar bradley put one of those chiefs on administrative leave in august. One thousand nine hundred nine at the time. The city gave no indication why the content police officers association was livid in january of two thousand. The union cost votes of no confidence. In the man and city manager. By february the power struggle had reached the point where compton was investigating whether it should disband the police and turn to the la county sheriff's department instead city leaders saw this as a viable solution because it had worked for the surrounding communities lynnwood contructed with the l. a. s. d. in nineteen. Seventy seven and hawaiian gardens signed up in nineteen ninety-seven if contin them this city could band together with those nearby neighborhoods to squash. It's crime problem once and for all that was just one big problem. Most compton police hated the idea. According to the la times mayor bradley claims that many cops threatened him and even intimidated members of his family. However the police union president denied anything like that ever happened by the year. two thousand. The hostility bubbled over city council. Meetings regularly erupted into yelling and violence between municipal and police officials other politicians accused mayor bradley of having a vendetta against the police union and bradley e even physically attacked one of his rivals. In the meantime. The city itself was suffering. In june of two thousand compton experienced a staggering increase in crime including eight murders in ten days. Finally the politicians and police alike agreed to prioritize. Safety over their feud. The city council voted to disband the police department in july in its place. The city signed a twelve point. Three million dollar contract with the la county sheriff's department. Sheriff lee baca offered to hire any competent police officer. Who wanted to become deputies and nearly all of the one hundred thirteen officers accepted the offer though there was some initial opposition. The compton police union president told the la times. Most of us just want to do police work. We don't want to get involved in politics. The deal seemed like a win win for the city. The content offices became lsd deputies content saved seven million dollars in law enforcement costs and the city council pledged to use the money to improve the community and the l. Ast promised to get crime under control unfortunately the crime rate only increased. In two thousand five compton had seventy two homicides. Its highest murder tally in a decade. This frustrated everyone especially since the new deputies seemed to have a hand in the problem they used aggressive tactics against the community. Much like the compton. Police had and out of this violent culture. A deputy gang formed within the compton station the executioners it's unclear when the executioners were formed as they seem to have operated in secret for years and because no one knows who the members are. It's unclear if any of them were original competent cops. The public only became aware of the gangs existence recently off often tragic incidents in two thousand sixteen around eight pm on the ninth of august. Twenty fifth black thirty one year old man named dante. Tayla was walking down wilmington avenue at the same time. Sheriff's deputies samuel l. Dhamma and ms rain arago will patrolling the area for the seat block. Pyro street gang. According to a district attorney's memo the deputies noticed. That taylor was wearing red hat with the letter. C on it. The cd block pireus gang was known for this. Similarly labeled red clothing aldama and a radio pulled their patrol car alongside taylor and asked him if he was on parole or probation. Taylor said no. According to the district attorney's memo taylor then supposedly drew a handgun and ran a chase ensued. And the two deputies shot taylor six times at eight thirty pm. Taylor was pronounced dead at the scene but when detectives searched the scene. They never found taylor's supposed- handgun either. It had gone missing or it never existed at all. Despite the suspicious circumstances the district attorney's office determined. I'll dharma and radio didn't have criminal liability in taylor's death taylor's family was furious in october of two thousand sixteen. They filed a fifty million dollar wrongful death lawsuit accusing the l. s. d. of fabricating. The story about the weapon as cause for the shooting in may of two thousand eighteen. Deputy aldama gave a deposition under oath. He admitted to having a tattoo on his leg of a skeleton wearing a military helmet with the letters. Cpt standing for compton. According to the la times he confessed that he was one of ten to twenty deputies that had earned the tattoo but he refused to name the gang. The symbol represented in fact. He denied being part of a secret group. Within the sheriff's station. At all later in the deposition the taylor family's attorney john. Sweeney asked alabama if he had ill-feelings toward african americans. After almost a minute of deliberation responded. I do the video. Clip of al donnas racist response went viral on twitter soon. Another racist crime. Bil- dhamma under reagan surfaced. They had allegedly brutally beaten another black man before. Taylor's death john. Sweeney used this as part of his argument that the unnamed lsd gangs racist practices and use of excessive force had caused dante. Taylor's death all of these revelations stuns the public as we've heard in previous episodes. The elliott has a long history of racist clicks. The fact that a new one has suddenly emerged with incompetent was troubling a watchdog group. The sheriff's civilian oversight commission called for an investigation into the contents stations apparent secret society in response. Sheriff jim mcdonnell launched a comprehensive study into tattooed groups in the l. a. s. d. in partnership with the la county council and the inspector general. Mcdonald's said our goal is to understand exactly what we're dealing with. Then come up with the best thinking on how to resolve. These long-standing concerns it's unclear. How exactly they carried out the study. But its findings were inconclusive. According to the times the inquiry never even asked the deputy gang members to reveal themselves and according to la county attorney chandler polka even if the st did obtain the names of gang members. It didn't have to disclose them even during the taylor family's lawsuit. It was difficult to bring any evidence to light in a pretrial. Hearing the judge ordered. That deputies may be questioned about their tattoos in the future if they were given the chance to object. The judge however didn't ask any officers to reveal their tattoos at the time but that future questioning never came before any damaging information could come out during the trial. La county settled the suit for seven million dollars to be paid by taxpayers. The county apparently preferred shelling out millions rather than admitting this gang existed but the damage was done word about the new nameless. St gang had spread and soon fellow. Deputies were tired of their antics and exposed their misdeeds to the world next the execution as terrorized the compton elliott station papacostas. Alistair here if you haven't had a chance to check out the entertaining new podcast blind dating. Now's the time to binge. What you've missed before catching only episodes every wednesday in this spotify original from podcast. We're expanding the places you can meet your match with a twist. You'll never see coming. 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Risk-free restrictions may apply see bollandbranch dot com for details. That's b. o. L. l. andbranch dot com now back to the story in two thousand eighteen. Dante taylor's wrongful. Death lawsuit brought a stock revelation to light a racist. La county sheriff's department gang likely operated within the compton station the l. a. Ast denied their existence and la county eventually settled the taylor law suit in two thousand nineteen a fellow. Deputy filed the claim to protect himself from the gangs members the executioners were no longer just accused of harassing civilians fellow. Lsd deputies targets to bullying their colleagues was apparently a way of increasing their status in the gang. The complaint stemmed from an incident in february two thousand and twenty when the executioners alleged enforcer deputy eugene contributors was targeting another competent deputy named thomas penelas according to abc seven bonello endured five years of bullying and intimidation from the click and it culminated in a near fatal incident where contrary us allegedly assaulted him in the compton station parking lot. Continuous reportedly bashed his elbow into bonilla's head several times leaving him bloody. He warned bonilla's if he told anyone about the attack he'd become no good to the executioners that meant all members of the gang could retaliate against him off to the incident bonilla's titled his fellow. Deputy ouster beto art. Gonzales concern for his colleague safety. Gonzales filed a report to the internal offense bureau on a confidential tip line. He thought he'd remain anonymous. But according to the la times somehow the executioners found out the complaint came from him a few days later. Gonzales received a mysterious text message. It was a photo of the words. Art is a rat scrawled on the station's parking lot. Keypad at work of the deputies refused to partner with gonzales. Afraid of getting pulled into the conflict fearing even more retaliation. Gonzales needed to protect himself in july. Two thousand twenty. He filed a legal claim against l. a. county. Gonzalez's complaint revealed the gangs name the executioners. He said the gang numbered around twenty out of the stations. Roughly one hundred deputies. Gonzalez's also confirmed that the skull tattoo was the executioners branding. he even testified that the ink had nazi imagery. One of the most stunning allegations was about the group supposed- initiation process before joining deputies. Have to impress execution as members a process cold chasing inc according to gonzalez only two offices are allowed to join each year and they have to fit the group's criteria which excludes women and black people however it's unclear what chasing inc actually entails. Gonzalez's asserted that deputies have gained acceptance after being involved in high profile shootings. Much like that of dante taylor. After these incidents the deputies who pulled the trigger allegedly used a tactic employed by the executioners to evade charges the ghost gun they would claim the victim brandished a weapon justifying the use of force according to gonzalez's testimony immorality. They've never seen the gun and then at the end a gun is never recovered. After the initiates violent act the gang supposedly heads to an unknown bar for a nine nine eight debrief party after the code for a deputy involved shooting in his claim. Gonzales said some people. Say it's to celebrate. The deputy is alive others. Say it's celebrate that they're going to be inking somebody. The inking of course involves the skull tattoo that allegedly brands each execution and member. The same one. Deputy samuel l. dhamma admitted having on his cough if these allegations are true. Who knows how many officer involved shootings in compton are actually gang initiations. Gonzalez's claimed that at least one other high profile incident was an executioner's induction the shooting of andres guardado on june eighteenth. Two thousand twenty eighteen year old on dress. Quasimodo was working as a security guard in gardena nick cotton. He was standing outside talking with another person in a car blocking driveway at five fifty. Two p m deputies miguel vega and chris hernandez approached and according to the officers redondo flashed a gun and ran the deputies opened fire and shot guido in the back five times he died at the scene. The killing occurred just weeks off to minneapolis. Police killed george floyd while black lives matter protests were surging around the world. When news broke about yet another fatal shooting by law enforcement it sparked outrage many including deputy gonzalez thought the content execution is to blame. But some of the details of that case don't align with the gangs ammo in the subsequent investigation. There was one stark contrast to dante. Taylor's case the la sd found gun at a media briefing on august. Twelve the lsd bureau. Commander chris marx said the recovered gun didn't have a serial number but it had ammo. He claimed there were no fingerprints. But there were traces of guardia. Does dna the guns existence made. It seem less likely that the executions were involved after all. The ghost gun was allegedly one of their main tactics with an actual weapon in evidence. It sounded like the deputies. Shot guajardo in self-defense. Thinking he was in a street gang and commander mark seemed to be hinting at that theory throughout the press. Conference mere minutes after speaking about gordo's death marks pivoted to talk about gang related shootings that had occurred on the same block. Several reporters asked if he was implying that the incidents were related but marks denied this. Here's an excerpt of what he said again. I don't have any information that links mr granato to any of these previous incidents this is background information. And it's also to share with you that we have parallel investigations and as we understand. There's a lot of public desire and media desire for information on this case. But we're just not have not been in a position to share information on this case because of this parallel investigation and all the search warrants being served at the thirteen locations. Now today we're in a position where we can give you. An update provide you that information. The next day sheriff and vienna waiver spoke at another press conference. He denied that gang operated in the compton station or anywhere else. He is a portion of his remarks. Department critics the overwhelming majority of deputies. Who socialize with each other. I know different than other. Social groups in military organizations sports teams college fraternities police departments and even fire departments. Tattoos are very common and their presence is not evidence of any sinister purpose absence evidence of associated misconduct anecdotal claims of criminal conduct from trial and defense attorneys must be viewed in their proper context. They're advocating on behalf of their client and they have to exaggerate the impact of their claims against the simple fact that department makes over two and a half million context of your across the county with scant evidence to support claims. Groups of deputies allegedly behaving gangs. The few cases that have arisen over the last dig has centered on deputies engage in misconduct with their peers as victim. Not the community. This was true with custody deputies. Fight at the cannon in twenty ten the kennedy hall fight in two thousand eighteen and now the fight between deputies at compensation in twenty twenty. There's zero evidence of three or more deputies engage in criminal activity with a unifying symbol. Whose primary purpose is to commit crime against zero tolerance but the la times quickly refuted the of position on august twentieth. The newspaper made a major connection. The deputies who killed our dotto miguel via and chris hernandez were mentioned in gonzalez's testimony as prospective executioners members. When asked about it. Vegas attorney denied that his client had any tattoos. Let alone deputy gang inc. But the connection prompted guidos family to wonder whether his killing was part of an initiation in september. Two thousand and twenty. They filed a wrongful death lawsuit against la county. Guardado and dante. Taylor's deaths aren't the only fatalities linked to the l. Ast compton station they just happened to be the ones that made headlines according to the l. a. times homicide report deputies have killed twenty nine people in compton since two thousand we don't know how many of those killings were unintentional or if any of them were part of alleged executioner initiations as gonzalez's complaint illustrated the execution is used the violent tactics to terrorize not only content citizens but also their own colleagues according to the la times. Like many of deputy clicks. It's possible that the executioners have modeled themselves off to prison gangs just like in many prisons at the contents station. The shots are called by the ruling gangs powerful boss and starting in two thousand sixteen the executioners alleged shock collar jamie juarez served as the station's scheduling. He was responsible for arranging his colleagues shifts days off and overtime. Allegedly warez always designed the calendar to benefit the executioners according to gonzalez's claim the acting captain removed warez from his scheduling row prior to two thousand nineteen. When laura's wanted another execution in the position his commander refused in response. Juarez allegedly led a work stoppage. This meant that execution has members responded slowly to or outright ignored police. Kohl's according to the la times gonzalez recalled that very minimal arrests occurred during the slowdown. And this wasn't the only tool in the executioners arsenal on other occasions gonzales also asserted that the gang said arrest quotas which are illegal to set up these schemes. The executioners allegedly used the encrypted messaging platform. What's up this made. Their correspondence virtually undetectable. All of this led to what some have called the execution as total control of the compton station. Gonzalez's attorney told the la times that the gang dominates every aspect of life their execution is members and their prospects tend to receive preferential treatment. Even when it comes to routine assignments. Gonzales witnessed this firsthand to once the executioners heard that he wasn't interested in joining the gang his supervisors assigned him to fourteen months of traffic duty and he did it desperately to avoid the wrath of the gang after he made his complaint in february. Two thousand twenty. Gonzales feared they would retaliate with violence instead. The execution is sabotaged his career. Coming up the la county sheriff's department refuses to take action. This episode is brought to you by the twenty twenty one toyota venza say or toyota venza driver. And you're passionate about technology. The venza is designed with everything. 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As a result of his whistle blower activity potentially at the behest of the executioners and that wasn't their only destructive behavior when he requested a transfer to another station. It's possible they exerted their influence to ensure it got denied and from that point on. Gonzalez's superiors regularly refused to approve his overtime within months. Deputy eugene contemporaries. The executioner who gonzales reported was switched to the same day shift as gonzales when gonzales tried to change to another the scheduling sanchez. Suggested he work graveyard hours which would make it impossible for gonzales to care for his daughter and this point gonzales new the executioners would only make his life increasingly miserable that was when he filed his legal claim against los angeles county in june. Two thousand twenty despite the revelations the complaint made about the executioners l. a. Sheriff alex vienna response has been all talk and no action which is strange given that in august two thousand and twenty vienna waiver and disciplinary action against different. Click the east. La bandidos at a press conference via nueva declared that twenty. Six east la deputies involved in a two thousand. Eighteen fight would be suspended or terminated. He announced as zero tolerance policy against deputy clicks and confirmed that the fbi was also investigating the organizations however even while vienna waiver also publicly acknowledged the bandidos. He denied that any other. Deputy gangs existed including the executioners since then via the waiver has clarified that the elliott zero tolerance policy does not include looking for gang members in october. He told abc seven. We come across it. We'll address it but we're not going to strip down the entire department to look tattoos. La county's inspector. General added that there were no active inquiries regarding deputy clicks. He said were unable to investigate effectively because of the obstruction of the sheriff's department there is a fear that even if new inquiries are opened they won't get very far in the past. They've been swept under the rug by cash settlements. Like in dante. Taylor's wrongful death lawsuit this seven million dollar payout. To taylor's family wasn't the first one. According to a report by la county attorney's there have been sixty cases many of them. Still pending dealing with eight separate deputy clicks in the cases that have settled the county has distributed about fifty five million dollars to the families. It's a so-called consequence that doesn't actually incentivize the elliott st to clean up their act. The county doesn't hold them accountable criminally. So there's no threat of charges or jailtime additionally the settlements ah paid for by la county taxpayers. Not out of the guilty offices own pockets plus lawsuits and legal. Claims can take years to settle. In the meantime compton citizens are demanding. More immediate justice on august fourth. Two thousand twenty. They held a press conference urging a federal investigation into the compton. Lsd station residents discussed how deputies regularly targeted and wrongly arrested innocent people. Even ma- asia brown a black woman shared a story about her own tense. Encounter with content deputies in june of two thousand nineteen round was driving through the city with her husband and infant daughter. When an la t. patrol car. Pulled them over. The deputies claimed she ran a red light which she denied doing. Within seconds as many as nine patrol cars arrived as backup. The deputies ordered brown to exit her vehicle and placed her hands on the roof. Then they searched the compton mayor as if she were a criminal unaware of her political status brown said they such takoff for drugs but found nothing. Still the deputies issued brown tickets but when they realized she was the man they took the citation back. Soon after brown filed an official complaint with the l. a. s. d. but comptons own mayor couldn't even spur conclusive investigation. Nothing ever came from it even win. Brown voiced frustration at the press conference over a year later. She never accused. The execution is by name in fact her story and others made it clear. That content has many policing issues and the alleged gang is just one of the more polling ones still brown and other content officials are trying to incite change in the only way they can. City leaders wrote a letter to the us and california attorneys general demanding a civil rights. Investigation into the compton lsd statium. Gonzalez's legal claim against the executioners may have spurred the request as well as the recent black lives matter protests secondly city officials have recently considered ending their contract with the l. ast during the august fourth press conference brown said we demand justice from the content sheriffs and we will no longer continue to pay you. Twenty two million dollars to terrorize this community. The current status of both actions is unknown. Though as recently as october it appeared that city officials had distanced themselves from the idea of cutting ties with the sheriff's department. In the meantime the lsd's is less may allow some deputies to continue to violate the rights of innocent people often with deadly consequences on august. Thirty first two thousand twenty twenty nine year old dijon. Kizzee was riding his bike in south. La near compton around three fourteen pm. A pair of deputies pulled him over for riding a bicycle in an unlawful manner. According to witness les when the deputies approached kizzee allegedly dropped his bike and ran according to the lsd when they caught up to him. Kizzee supposedly punched a deputy then. They claimed that kizzee dropped his jacket and a handgun fell to the ground. Kizzee allegedly reached for the weapon. And that's when the deputies opened fire. According to his family's attorney kizzee was shot over twenty times in the back and left in the street for hours and early l. Ast report doesn't indicate when an ambulance arrived but emt's pronounced kizzie dead at the seen. The incident is still under investigation. So it's unclear if the deputies had any ties to the executioners but from what we do know the shooting shares some similarities with taylor and gordo's deaths however there is one key difference this time. A bystander took a video of what happened unfortunately. The grainy footage didn't confirm kizzie actually had a gun alleged. Deputy gangs such as the executioners have contributed to a vicious cycle in communities like compton. These deadly shootings keep happening and the deputies involved rarely receive punishment. We have to ask ourselves how we can break this cycle. The growing public awareness of police brutality and use of excessive force is start compton could cut ties with the elliott. But that alone won't fix the problem. The current deputies could simply be rehired by other sheriff for police stations. Just like what happens. When the compton police department was disbanded to make lasting change the l. a. s. d. needs to acknowledge that the deputy gangs exist. Not just one. But all of them and the deputies involved need to be held accountable gangs and clicks within the sheriff's department Able to thrive today because of the long history of deputies evading punishment. When they slip up they leave the taxpayers to pick up the tab but no law enforcement official should ever be considered above the law. They swore to protect. Thanks again for listening next week. Join us for the finale. We're taking a deep dive into another active. La st gang. The east los angeles fantato's for more information on the compton. Executioners amongst the many sources we used we found the los angeles times and deputy art gonzales. His legal claim extremely helpful. To our research. You can find all episodes of secret societies and all the originals from podcast for free on spotify when see next time kingpins and secret societies a spotify originals from podcast executive producers include maxine ron cutler sound designed by russell nash with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and joshua kern. This episode was written by kate gala. With fact checking by bennie. Logan and research by julian barreau. Brad klein and brian patriots. This episode stars vanessa. 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"When you got to the League who's the first person like Bush play dismiss? Serve me out there I highlight. PJ Brown who PJ. He was smart. He had just more than you. It'd just everything you know. How are we say that I just I couldn't do nothing? I mean defensively defensely offically. Nothing amazes said grown man was I felt a real a master of playing against him in the way playing. He was so strong. Know How to hold you down position. Does everything respect for a again. Joe Special Special Special. When the day man we got our family family family in the bill and this mid West Z with us? You know what I'm saying. We go way. Ah Guys Zibo nation in the itself so coming out of Fellas. Do not want to miss this. This IPOD and a party issue boys Q.. Ridge and be Maoz podcast season to how thinking what we can do like like how to Jack Komo would they listening. We'll scripted. We kinda just get into we come from authentic. Og standpoint winning with just one star player or tank. This is a story that people don't know do my shoes on right. He does talk as hot mess so we were just young and wanted to prove ourselves and you were. In the way nice man forming some henny raise raise the Greyfield Greyfield Greenfield Greenfield Greenfield pill. Greenfield Greenfield Greenfield from Mary. In the Admiralty House. Marion Indiana. Small macaw the small town of Man to marry Indiana. What you in Lose in his hotel room and the hotels didn't even have remote controls in the hotel had to be built in like the fifties or something like that. Remember last right so we had to use the remote mood remote in like five different rooms rose and pass it around remote around coming from a small place like that. What made you choose? Mary Highschool to go through. That was only high school in there. Yeah mean I'm from a town Bam small down about thirty thousand people remaining real small had one high school a state like the State High Beta basketball. Really you know our school. you think tire got the most state championships style. AL's Raleigh all not now ours a little mix your school mic. So there's a lot of basketball history from school so you grew up on a history history. That's why you wanted to take that torch up and be like another generation because they was winning states before you could remind like my coach was the first coach in Illinois history to win three re-state championships back to back to back. So I always Kinda wrote off there. They went with the to win one. No I didn't but I want Mr the basketball just like Z.. Bo once they champ. She won the best steaks. I I I missed basketball. Boy Jared Jeffries. He went to the State School Y- he went to Indiana so it was down from Bloomington so you know it was a little biased. You know that's like my brothers too so ice mess when we played together token my bring my Award to practice you know I mean we want to. I'm the real misfit. Ask Ball the state. Yeah Yeah Basketball Cheating. I was a little rough around edges as you know I'm saying always about you when I first when I seen you. I always knew how good he was. Always like me now He argues the best play of class. But because you one flashy at the end of the game you'll see you got twenty eight twenty boards List of but you want flash in. I'm more of a flashy new type of player like I'm Dunkin. Running jumping high flying from frito. We played in the McDonald's McDonald's game together. If you look at the game you might have D- miles away. VPN But you look at the stats sheet. You had like twenty three and twenty thank you kill anyone. MVP early on when you weren't getting the recognition that you getting but you. I used like one of the top players. You can play with us man just hours believe like you said not getting their recognition. But you know what I do and having a confidence-building doing it anybody so that's always stood on and you know believe in what I can do myself talking about what you did as being a big boy but you weren't really ever athletic but you still were able to put a crazy rebound numbers in offensively. He was still able to give whoever problems. But you were going to do like. You said you didn't play around. You weren't Dunkin on nobody. We actually make jokes like this. This we're gotTA talk. It was like oh now. You're looking at the a real. He don't even do so like but you were still a dominant you know so. Use a dominant foil. How did you patio game to game timeless because you never had to worry about losing you? ATHLETICISM title nine man. I just think the way I was taught the game and the way it was played coming up earlier in working on my foot work just having a good knack for the ball. They don't use my body in position to myself in You know having heart you know. He played his game. The game's different now of course but I have our man like you said and have the confidence and believe it. You know I mean no one. I'm going to go out there and I'm going to kill me. So they like that type of mind frame ninety and night out when you came about what we always at the McDonald's game we play to McDonald's we played it. USA USA game with the Indiana played in the USA game. You chose Michigan State. I will you ask. Let me you want straight out of high school and I was like. Oh my God I feel like I put on a show it these bias but I was like I think you can go out to because I felt like you was the best player of class. You know me was ranked low. They had us like nine teen and they had like Eddie Griffin. If injured while has decided Steve's in Chris do high all the goals from New York Lay Omar so many people was in front of us and I know how it how how it it it made me go hard. I know him as you go harder to. What made you choose? Michigan state coach is. Oh you know I'm a type of person you know you show on the you really want me and you you know that I'm your really a man guy. That's what it was everywhere I go the coaches be on the Front Coast Garland all assistant coach anywhere on playing Michigan State Michigan State so it was the most persistent so that's why I chose them gave because they showed me that they really wanted me more. It was it was a lot of the schools. That was sean persistent. But it wasn't like Michigan State. Did you consider going straight is. Yes ma'am funny story. I had pasta. Twins is just after we donald game right when I talk to you at. You say I'm going out so I was thinking about it and I had to letter we in the hood and my mom my mom Louis Man and the twin's is right posting twins. I looked in my mind and like what you want me. Do you know we gutters. You know my mom. I'm you know. He's the poor on come from other shows like making decisions for my family. You know I mean and my mom told me recipe said. I think you should go to school for a year baby. That's that's what I did so I think that was the best season ever made me and my mother and father born she was like Oh. My mom graduated from high school. Yes my mom. My mom say anyway. She didn't graduate. She comes from Lake Providence during the south during a time so she had third grade education. You know what I mean like my mom molly graduate from high school and it was like it was a big deal to her to go to college. Same thing me going ahead. It was like man I got. I got the power uh-huh mom had a heart attack at the time so it was like man I gotta I gotTa Deal Buca Start. You Know Sola coachman hotel back man come in time when you know coaches only have nobody it will no players who is coming out of so many NJ rich. You know coaches like you know. I mean not so much a risk because you know he's older but with me a freshman. I'll think I was just I freshman had ever left like that and if you look at the history of Michigan state players probably went too many players. They left leaving draft or leaving early. Neither so I probably was one the first I mean. Do they like that size. You know magic in La like you'll have to me please. Even come up to Vince and go leave. It the average coach will start me and play me like supposed to be dominated. I was playing fifteen minutes gene. Getting a double double yeah. I'm Tom Brush starving when you do good as low as motivational motivational when you left. Did as you think he was going to get drafted to somebody else coach stylists all its Charlotte. Yeah like let me add carcases birth so when you got the pulling and I know you confident in your game like you very confidently again. That's why you can do what you do but have a sheet in front of you. Did it humble you like. Oh man this is not somebody in front of you that you feel like you better. And he's like man. I gotta get my work on to even get the opportunity to even play talking shit every a rookie and she was words the top. That's my brother. Don't you know on the best teammates ever but just everything going to him. Got Me so much better because we was going with bust my ass and he was teaching me at the same time. You know every day like you said that was my my minutes in practice though you know we went hard but just learning a lot from everything and just you know out just deep defensive and talking and just you know everything about Chinos and leader so just learned a lot like I said the league is different now back then you would a lot of players that God dragon or some draft at the play like you know you started a lot of players that got even lottery players. They had to workday way into it. You know I mean. A coach to coach seeks was he was Oh school You know he just. He won't give you know you had earn. He respected the veterans respect for veterans than the older players before us to teach us how how to do things. And that's the way it was over team. Yeah making the playoffs. There you go in and get their spirit. How big was to to go play offs and just see that experience with him was great? Man I mean just even though I said sit on the floor. Every gang was a great experience that I learned a lot like a working out every day and put my time in June working on me like I said practice was my game the year before I came. She got hurt in the playoffs. You've got the opportunity to play. She was averaging like twenty and ten. Personas you play. You came right in and fill the void twenty and I was like awesome awesome. He heard me. It was a no-brainer. I knew just for the redemption for the rest of your career. US Won't give twenty and ten because like what how to pressure was for you to to step up because you stepped up in the playoffs. You really play all year and you finally played in the playoffs. You came in and digital thing like how did that feel even though you lost the series but how does food man Phil Great. You know. That's all that work. Every day it was on I was paying off so I was ready. I say our practices squat. We had it was I was going up. I mean he's about to fight everything Oregon going up hospitals to be starting pardon hospital. We got eight nine players probably start on any team to leave news those slight edge so once I got the call I was ready for me. Yuli grew up playing against each other play together. Whatever so it was on? I got traded to Portland. I was instantly Geek because I know us on the ten. You know it gave me to say like I'm GonNa play my homeboy house plan with cute because I know the bond we had the first time I met. She was a Nike Count. You know say the story Maria what happened at I give. That was the first time we got to really know each other fifteen so then I get trade traded. He didn't come to Portland and I remember we play with she for like a month and a half and I was losing like a Ma we play. Ah Y'all traded for me play with sheet and we went on this winning streak. I think we won thirteen out of sixteen or something like we went to the east coast. Smacking everybody we even beat the Lakers pickus during this stretch. But I always think of this. I Watch C.. GO TO DETROIT. Leave our team. which I felt was perfect? which she that senator powerful me three Damon? Da Ruben passing off the bench. I watched she leave our team. You get traded to Atlanta. Dan Traded to Detroit. And I look at Detroit team and I was like I'll see bills online man. Damon a scorned go org C.. Rip Pounds I was like man. Da I see Tesana press all me like versatile play defense office. I see she I see you. I'm like Desta key piece to us. Having a great season. Never know what we did like. It was a short period of time. If you know oh like in a month to have or a week is like you play like maybe ten games maybe fifteen sixteen. Yeah but we was woman. Whooping teams in the chemistry was all good because it was like she can play on the other boxes? Evil has left hand right hand. Zibo is left hand so they was on a comfortable. The boxes any bill allows we can give them to rot like do you think about that. The way I think about that. We was playing good and like you said it was so sore or period of time. You know I mean but you won't see leave Paolino sees it'll be like this. There is nothing they can do out this busy. Miles Oh no you. UK goes so So perfect to see him when I was definitely happy for but I feel like that was our team and then watching. y'All like trying to get over their. Ah I feel like that. Was that team. I felt like I Portland team could have been better. I feel like we have start. Starting lineups I feel. We have veteran replace. Who knew how to play Nick? Van Exel was on our team. The one year school at forty seven dame score fifty knickknacks score fifty the. Da had a forty five. You like a forty three this all in one season but we get nice MAG wax. I felt like the reason that we didn't go over. The Hawk. Hope because our veterans and Nicole coach didn't itself that they two youngest guys which was me and you should have been the best player this or should have been featured almost say the best player that I feel like we was the best player but I feel like it should have been featured more like its super-rich and install like yeah we go through Zibo the miles coming behind the Daimyo she was we had a squad man. We have some good the teams Portland. You know what I mean. I spent a good team member how we will we be Roy. Like how Nice be Roy. Roy was in the markets was getting them. We got them. We didn't get the opportunity to really play with my nice was be ruined the play you know what. La like when he came in you know. I call myself chatting with him and he conditioning tests trying to go. Hey you uh-huh young got the young zero. He probably let out too tired. Look I sit down. No runaway on the market was Nice. Soft coming in but he got better needed he got stronger tougher by. What'd you think about the markets what we play more like you say? The markets came into his own me always was wondering players talented in SC. You know skillful suited was long. Caramba like you said. Once he beefed up and start playing a little more tougher. And that's when you really start taking over you just what you write like me. The nate McMillan store. I love you but I gotTa let there's been a man's Eve. Oh we went to train account we use in training camping Portland stand in this small hotel. This is like my fourth year in the League so in this training camp. He told us the light we had to stay in roles monk up like we You like UNC. Bogo be roommates and Siren. But but I'm just saying hypothetically understand how my role with ti low. I'm like no we didn't know until we got there so I'm like Oh he's wrong wrong you don't just I just think I just got my contract and I think I I just got the little black card now. Let me tell you know. I can't he won't be nowhere around him when he first guide. Wait this way let card and like like you know because the forever he was a grown man but then when he got his contract or not. I'm officially they. Don't say nothing to me. Nobody Terry's abused young teenage. No I totally. So she was telling us she was like the team was like now. So you can get your own room. So I'm like that's cool with the team says I'm like well let me pay for my own room. And she liked say. So you're going to refuse my money if I so I'm kind of lightweight talked to the lady like man you trip. She finally just gave in and gave us our rooms. Because you have no choice because this rooms roles available you gotTa let me pay me a row. Zibo gotTa Moreau's followed egg we put bags and We gotta go downstairs for me. Nate McMillan Eight Well fucking here. Waiting on US way known US does all the people who are winning roles. I'm talking about just let us have it and I was like man. Look we make too much money like I said we're at high school or in College. You know what I'm saying that's what you go through the. That's what you go through that time to get to the level where you don't have to go through that no more I can see. We was on a low. But I've been four years. I mean it's got a smell another man's pisses old lady eighty. You know what I'm saying. Okay talk woman. Zibo got in so much trouble. I it was those is one of the funniest moments that I kicked our answer by so fast and any ran the shit. I like random shit. I see he did that. I fucking conditioning tests. He's condition to test. I rather run the whole mile in in a time limit. Then do that for conditioner. I never was a fan of of conditioning tests. They don't they. Don't do the right thing like we don't we never going to do this on the court l. a. serious because this is hey get you right though food food. Yeah so for you you got to the League and guts. Oh bree do big dog man trump Bob Mama car so I did. That's how familiar you see. What the bill that you've seen us like what is paid for that based on a Lincoln continental by like fifty man? Yup this was. You drove my I just got the Fella named you you drove my fennel and then the next year you guys so contract every says I'm seeing you got your contract you to have ask Phantom the Phantom at the Faddem Phantom boy ghost around you got I Chad you'll sprung and I had to give me one you know what I mean war to myself. One Agreement Yeah Yeah. It's great as a him into twenty six. Say Well I got to go ruin the talk about your experience in New York City hat math. I Love New York. We we had a crazy two seasons in New York to a half brother. Just think about. There's though how sick was the team we had in New York with. Don't buy just with the with the horse play. Now we had we had crew when it Kinda like. Oh Oh prime. We'd had everyone been a problem. But like when you think about just jared Jeffries Nate Robinson. We've we've had We had matt for many out. They would remember that he was doing all of that. Putting the cream cheese under the shoes tearing buds out they sue taping the Sousse to the ceiling Bertelli. Whoever didn't play you? You might violate you. Also they respect it to really listen. Does Marcel stuff like okay. So we automatically IVA game. I ain't GonNa play which I I don't play me but then boys nothing was off limits. Nothing NAPUK ED's legs Eddie. Cereal nate balancing out. The world like Literally Down Tasmanian devils with you know how long how long you injure Jeffries was France to just like how you oh you played at home. Would you ever imagine that from your plan from high school against each other to meet up with them at home. That's my friend brings friends and like you said just to come up playing against each other than circuit highschool competition going to each other. I wonder if Mr Basketball so I mean like I said number SPEC demand was it was a great team great teammate. You know it was always a nice do Jackson Jerry. Mary Larry is right now. This moment is hilarious. Can I say jared I was like I thought he was Nice Nice. He can shoot dribble. I was like man. That's my competition. Awhile wild won the reason I like nine. Oh powerful way wait wait. He never body each time. She's like no would nowhere new all the rebound house like no. I'M NOT GONNA go there when I go ahead. I'm being I'm mad now man. I'm tired of him. I know he planned straight with his elbow Matt gene on what was so different. I know you're saying like you moving around too. You're you guys ready for each of you. GO TO MEMPHIS. You go to Memphis and a click like I always always like Marcus all guy like when I was thirty year before you are always like Mark Gusau. I didn't believe in Cali into Lionel hollins believe in Kali You know what I'm saying like Anglesey. I didn't believe in him. I knew he was nice. He could play is it. I I thought Kyle. Lowry was better than him at the time but once he got the opportunity opportunity to play he was way better than what I thought he was like like light way but on all he pose a be here he played d. he gets steals. So when you got the Memphis what clicked the job. Kind of click together. You start winning games when nobody big L. will make playoff mealy. We almost never. I got like forty games. A faint light twenty some more better games. We was posted in a spot for us from team from twenty to twenty Wisden road win so that was being man. I think like you said just you. You know Mike is a special player. You know what I mean on both ends and and mark till you know what I mean. Virginia won the best centers. You know in the last couple of years it'd be argued and it can be argued so it was just like the right spots the right players east spot and he had to come in. You know what I mean. So just think and he's like grinding like it was like a perfect player to bring in how you more in colleague he kinda followed the best part about show I felt like was way out fit the DNA of the city. You know what I'm saying. y'All all blue collar. They do work hard like y'all fit the whole like that's why I feel like the city loved by the way. Did you come near used to be rocking. It's all fine with that thing I had that thing cranking and it was all about you know greeting grind grind father. Ta and all of that and it was. You felt okay like I was when you play starting arena had had built some delight when you came in here you felt which had gone on the city is rally which ocean season Naysayer tell. Tell me the placement any anyone come play l.. WanNa come here. They scared to come. No US come to the form. It was who's got time uptight like its own like you know what I mean like. Ain't GonNa be easy so get your rest and You know he was ready man you know about the. The Union went to the conference finals by have going. y'All popping first round popular second round part to Goad voted for. You know what I'm saying. You being one of the best players like what clicked your clique which out it was just like man we we got opportunity to goes him unless you go to. It's like rolling the dice. Man Just everybody think alike Ryan time to Mike Starting to get his confidence in you know mark and you know just everybody everybody was just clicking and we all everybody was good friends we cared about each other and you know I mean. Spend Towel chose team their stuff together and you you know we got along real well and we pushed each other valley are confidence. was you know what I mean and you know I thought it was gonna be the year but you know the best experience for me no of of my career going. They're going to Memphis. It was like the home especially. I know you've got like brothers. That's like family members here in Memphis. Oh I've I noticed that all kind of came into guy found rife isn't just mainly just makes it a team and just to city still home. You know I for me just to love you know I mean just everything we I love the way you do. You know what I'm saying you would you anti I know you. I was heavily in the community. There how you did everything pan for people hills power like just giving back doing drives and giving food at different holidays and stuff. Just talk talk about how that is like. I know you grew up similar to how we did not having much so you know what. I'm talking about how that made you feel to be able to do that for Memphis. How they embrace you man just like you say just you know being able to relate Y- just dead and been a blessing you know because you give a blessing receiving blessing? I see no. That's how I feel and then I still. I still do my holiday. I still pay the light bill every year. So continue on I. I know you still get so. Still you know head Lena community so you know I was going to be man start. Cut Pants rule asu Rasheed Wallace. Tim Duncan Kim GonNa Start. Who who would you cut off your team on the docking? No I know you battle with all the one thing. He could say bull when he did his thing in a league. That powder puff powerful. He was playing all grown me. What a seven footer sitting next to the east so long man see Donkin to see real mass tough right there Ma'am even though either way I pry I start probably Dunkin? Star Duncan has she come off the bench cook as Asia. Yeah I cook. AG on his round. Okay I was gate teague on this more talk to me about your neck piece man. I like. I like your neck piece wasn't anytime Ghana and this is in this man. Oh Trenton Zine you know what I'm saying there's been a money back to Italy behind the man out it's been a blessed man you know one of my best friends you know Marcus. No my business partner Ardenne. He knew I mean running for me and we'd always just came together with you. Know a bag man. No bag wanted to best orders out there. You know to mean so we'll just push the same amount staff Holly Holy Mountain. Try to get some input inside Mansur. I make stain like Iraq. Did you ever see yourself being on a new label of being a May bird when you say new cash money you know saying charge you definitely you definitely. I love this little town. Man Libra talented me. Special and you know he just got keep pushing like I tell and just be positive. Interest life manages being a good person. Just live right in right so you told me that was I was like no. We listen isn't he. He noted Zebu which means he why. I'm like okay man so you know. been a blessed man so being in the music business businessmen and music eighty prefer hip hop. Let me give me give me your top five top five hip hop album. I love it all time. Like your favorite you only you gotta go to be stranded on the island west of five. CD's almost eight five album. You know definitely no money back for show you know like any and everything on this park man. I grew up in air. Listen to see bowl. You know what I mean free six everything asked me free dog pound. MCA audit you. Know what I mean. So who else have you stranded on island Vita the five hours that you need to listen to Strang on his. Take a listen to mix tapes albums. God No you know. I live Begging head makes man to pop all eyes on the Allies on to wireless bad uh prime male key sweat and the merry go round dot the county Dan Lewis Moving James your the big man. She's Labra prey. Oh mattie had a Reasonable doubt road. You purchase a team out her Jay and gotTA The Australian team. That's be full riding around in the owners on Ads you know we edges man but you know he real and so people respecting the person's tariff back so you know just been a blessing. Man Knowing people developing relationships man and just being able to assist EPA. Some totally different you know again A lot of knowledge. Why are we still in into the youngsters out there greatest? There talked a lot of the young players from everything I played. Only the last two years measures king so just you know what I mean. Just being positive teaching everything she we been through day. We've been ups and downs rounded toconas definitely a dope example with Australia. That's on my bucket list so I gotta go out there and catch a game which is damning Alamein so man. I hear you got a younger one. This out here turned up the core. Yeah man out my baby. McKinley man very good. I feel like a little clip was Kobe. Mambo Academy I say. Wait a minute because you know the FBI the Mashishi doing good man. She's my baby man. Fourteen Koby coach teaching them. And that's a blessing. You don't have a goat deer be able to work with your daughter and you know what I mean. So saw the blessing. She loves a man she good cheer straight a student math and you know she she take care of Business Fall in love with the game that you fell in love with you on this Anna issues three days. That's that's really good business right. The cane so amazed. You're hoping my baby when you came up who was padding game after a calm and see web players like that. She dubbed Dutchman by Post. Is You the game has changed now. You know different from we play. Read him to be a real power game. Really Hassling the block. You're comed- do is coming up when we was coming up my hood. Is You say as Ayu ball who was hit us that you you're saying he was mad at border go hill is Carlos hurt. McCullough's harder from Houston who who's done owned by you started you know. This dude is straight up walking bucket even Tom high-school college or even an NBA. Somebody who might didn't get in the game and Claire Lobola smart like he likes real real the game but he'd be killing. Everybody goes likely to light that especially noticed Portland East plan. But he's playing some dogs and say coach Judge Teachers Play. You know he's going always vet so you know what I mean right now. He's playing one on one more. Tailby bucks a Lotta guys get Bugis man the guy. Do you remember. Sarong Harper. Help US Jews Diet. Its Role Harvey was real nice. Oh Boy Jerome Williams up here on the roof off the air. He was like us art class. At two thousand gotTa pick two other players to play with your three who the two other players that she will play with prolly Ali. Omar Cook was Omar Bradley Pally Eddie Griffin was nice and like we always nice and you can only mark we have marks tailored we have well. We had a class. You mice Claire Michigan's raise a very well. The jeffries Juror Wireless More you Austin Your Andre Brown by auch awash with the Sacramento Kings. My man seeing don't all these young talented they had out there and like man how they was progressing. And you'll be on the bench to give them jewels club. No please overboard on young boys man young boys and I still talk to a lot of them. Go down there and catch them kissing gains and practice with me so just guys man on they got a great. You know what they're doing and they got a great young core Bagley hairy you know the normal guys were Sacramento. Though you know what I mean you know they got a good owner not body. Doing great job Everything about the Organization man is sewn up and up another store no Paul Allen rest in peace fallen he used to have these planes you know. He won the richest owner if not the rich owner big boy and one of his plays used to have a dining room table. abair wrong bathroom. It wasn't like the usual team player that we were going at. It was like a mansion. They throw vicious the bathroom in the in. The road is the title of the rest of the play. This guy who who who who did the craft we over the Catalina Liberal. We opened the cavs. The we just see a bottle of we own ego. Woody you got to the bottom looks you won crystal our report. Whatever it is inside the Christian people killed uh-huh play we civilized and they wonder where we get drake it'll be killed looking for? Like Mayer. Take their plate over a good guy and good man he. He's real good when we went to his house. Though in there have been unlike before like the secret service everywhere. You can even go outside of what you've posed be it. You need to go to the the bushes of all. You need to go that way. Follow them stay one group. We we want to evolve around does looking ran no sir so before we wrap up and get you out of here man courtesy about generous bosses Hennessy. TV especially after after he appreciated selling appreciate that man. Thank you thank you gentlemen to. I want to commend. You using my class is it was like a scene you ever since I was fifteen years old and you know you come up and you. You got the ones that you root for. If you can't go there for you want them to go for awesome when I was I couldn't play are tired to see you go to Memphis and do your thing. Averaged Twenty points ten rebounds most of your career in his Li like man. I commend you primarily. We have we root for you and you definitely should be a holiday like anybody else said again. Everybody knows that you still be hall of fame. So I hope he's made our time well Use averaging twenty eighteen when I got there and you want to make the all Oh starches so many times they ride. The they robbed. headset knows when a big man I was making the All star team and when you finally made to Memphis man I was so proud. prouty man and everything that you doing and what you did in your rib man says a whole family proud our death proud about echoing Cohen. And say I'm even more proud of you know how just like you know you just foam growth in showing how you you know what. I'm saying. Entrepreneur businessman. It really gives me Sean. I wanted the biggest greatest examples for kids from our communities to see you know saying somebody who really did you some stuff and you'll sample still at the end of the day so you can do some stuff and make mistakes and still man in a major way. It'd be a solid sally individually. How your game on points Yongsan we move? I know one real When one of the real ones kind of make it through and then have to life bullshit? Nobody or do it the wrong way or or sneak to get to your spot Aria. Then you get stuck. Always tip off to Jeez interviewers that are out there doing this and doing things man Orsay Hall of Fame Zibo for what you is on is so you names Yvo Free Love so free shave man knuckleheads from coming back. No I got back to us. The Players Tribune Dot Com.

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LA County Sheriffs Gangs Pt. 4: The Compton Executioners

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LA County Sheriffs Gangs Pt. 4: The Compton Executioners

"Something to note all of the groups covered on this show operate in secret the details included in this episode or based on extensive research but ultimately can never be one hundred percent verified except by society members themselves. Due to the graphic nature of these events listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of police brutality. Murder and racism. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen sometime in two thousand sixteen. A tattoo parlor in los angeles county california a needle carefully inc the laughing skeleton on the man's calf despite the smile the had a sinister look in its is then the fine point outlined a helmet and a rifle the autism labeled the helmet with the letters. C p t standing for compton around the skeletal figure. The needle created a background of flames. The insignia initiated the man into a ruthless gang within the los angeles county sheriff's department the executioners every members tattoo matches with one difference a unique number is assigned to each person. Just like a badge in compton. Some say this marking makes them more powerful than any other deputy. The execution is have been said to rule the content streets and dominate the own sheriff's station. The gang has supposedly used the threat of violence to create a culture of corruption. They stand accused of terrorizing their fellow offices and even murdering innocent citizens. The executioners are not only above the law in compton. They are the law. I'm vanessa richardson. And this is a special crossover episode of secret societies and kingpins both spotify originals from podcast for the past three weeks weeping taking you on a deep dive into the deputy gangs hidden within the los angeles county sheriff's department today on our fourth episode. We're talking about the comte. Executioners this click allegedly rules the compton substation controlling every aspect of its operations gang members have been accused of assaulting fellow deputies and even killing civilians claiming often without evidence that they were acting in self-defence and although they face several lawsuits somehow the executioners have evaded prosecution and any accountability will dive into what brought the l. s. d. to compton. After this this episode is brought to you by three m you may know three m scotch tape post it notes but three m helps improve people's lives in many ways in response to covid nineteen three m committed tens of millions of dollars in cash and product donations including respirators surgical masks and hand sanitizer learn. How else three am is helping the world's respond to covid nineteen at three m dot com slash covid the los angeles county sheriff's department patrols the unincorporated communities of la county and the city of compton located seventeen miles south of downtown la. Approximately one hundred deputies gone this working class municipality and according to the los angeles times about twenty of them belonged to a gang called the executioners brandon with a skull tattoo on their leg. Many say they mercilessly rule the compton streets and its sheriff's station but though they've always operated under the radar the execution is inner workings were only recently exposed by two legal cases in two thousand and eighteen a wrongful death lawsuit revealed they unifying tattoo then. In two thousand and twenty othello deputy divulge their modus operandi an illegal even as these allegations surfaced the l. s. d. continued to deny the gangs existence even today the executioners seem impossible to nail down. It hasn't always been like this content before the city fell into the les's jurisdiction content. Once had its own police department incorporated in eighteen eighty eight. This city of compton established it's law enforcement agency that same year but throughout the twentieth century. The compton police earned a violent reputation by the nineteen eighty s the crips and the bloods vied for control of compton. And the budget strapped. Police department's struggle to stop the violence. The first attempt at a gang unit was disbanded in nineteen eighty-seven due to a staffing shortage when the department formed another gang unit the only members with two white men in a city who street gangs were primarily from the black and latino communities clearly content needed some help so los angeles police. Chief daryl gates sent the lapd to south la by nineteen eighty eight. He had created a brute force. Approach to policing the community called operation hammer as part of this initiative. The lapd performed massive sweeps in south la and compton a sensibly to catch gang members but instead they arrested many innocent black men often using excessive force by the end of the decade. The rest of the world knew about the comte. pd's brutal tactics. Nwea's hit album straight outta compton detailed. The city's police brutality put incompetent on the national map but the public attention didn't make things any better in the nineteen. Ninety s compton grappled with high rates of unemployment poverty and homicides city leaders accused to police chiefs of corruption and negligence. The compton mayor omar bradley put one of those chiefs on administrative leave in august. One thousand nine hundred nine at the time. The city gave no indication why the content police officers association was livid in january of two thousand. The union cost votes of no confidence. In the mayor and city manager by february the power struggle had reached the point where compton was actively investigating whether it should disband the police and turn to the la county sheriff's department instead city leaders saw this as a viable solution because it had worked for the surrounding communities lynnwood contracted with the l. s. d. in nineteen. Seventy seven and hawaiian gardens. Signed up in. Nineteen ninety seven if compton joined them. This city could band together with those nearby neighborhoods to squash. It's crime problem once and for all just one big problem. Most compton police hated the idea. According to the la times man bradley claims that many cops threatened him and even intimidated members of his family. However the police union president denied anything like that ever happened by the year. two thousand. The hostility bubbled over city council. Meetings regularly erupted into yelling. Violence between municipal and police officials other politicians accused mayor bradley of having a vendetta against the police union and bradley even physically attacked one of his rivals. In the meantime the city itself was suffering. In june of two thousand compton experienced a staggering increase in crime including eight murders in ten days. Finally the politicians and police alike agreed to prioritize. Safety over their feud. The city council voted to disband the police department in july in its place. The city signed a twelve point. Three million dollar contract with the la county sheriff's department. Sheriff lee baca offered to hire any compton police officer who wanted to become deputies and nearly all of the hundred thirteen officers accepted the offer though there was some initial opposition. The compton police union president told the la times. Most of us just want to do police work. We don't want to get involved in politics. The deal seemed like a win win for the city. The content offices became l. Ast deputies compton saved seven million dollars law enforcement costs and the city council pledged to use the money to improve the community and the l. Ast promised to get crime under control. Unfortunately the crime rate only increased in two thousand and five compton had seventy two homicides. Its highest murder tally in a decade. This frustrated everyone especially since the new deputies seem to have a hand in the problem. They used aggressive tactics against the community. Much like the compton. Police had and out of this violent culture. A deputy formed within the compton station. The execution is it's unclear when the executioners were formed as they seem to have operated in secret for years and because no one knows who the members are. It's unclear if any of them were original compton cops. The public only became aware of the gangs existence recently after a tragic incident in two thousand sixteen around eight pm on the nights of august. Twenty fifth a black thirty one year old man named dante. Taylor was walking down wilmington avenue at the same time. Sheriff's deputy samuel l. Dhamma and ms rain origo will patrolling the area for the seat of blog. Pyro street gang. According to a district attorney's memo the deputies notice. That taylor was wearing red hat with the. Let's a c. On it the cd block pireus gang was known for this. Similarly labeled red clothing aldama and a radio pulled their patrol car alongside taylor and asked him if he was on parole or probation. Taylor said no. According to the district attorney's memo taylor then supposedly drew a handgun and ram a chase ensued. And the two deputies shot taylor. Six times at eight thirty pm. Taylor was pronounced dead at the scene but when detectives searched the scene. They never found taylor's supposed- handgun either. It had gone missing or it never existed at all. Despite this suspicious circumstances the district attorney's office determined all dharma under ago. Didn't have criminal liability in taylor's death taylor's family was furious in october of two thousand sixteen. They filed a fifty million dollar wrongful death lawsuit accusing the la. Ast of fabricating the story about the weapon as a cause for the shooting in may of two thousand and eighteen deputy aldama gave a deposition under oath. He admitted to having a tattoo on his leg of a skeleton wearing military helmets with the letters. Cpt standing for content according to the la times. He confessed that he was one of ten to twenty deputies that had earned the tattoo but he refused to name the gang. The symbol represented in fact. He denied being part of a secret group within the sheriff's station asshole later in the deposition. The taylor family's attorney. John sweeney asked aldama add. Ill feelings toward african americans. After almost a minute of deliberation he responded. I do the video clip of alabama's racist response went viral on twitter soon. Another racist crime by dhamma under reagan surfaced. They had allegedly brutally beaten another black man. months before. taylor's death. John sweeney used this as part of his argument. That the unnamed. Lsd gangs racist practices and use of excessive force had caused dante. Taylor's death all these revelations stuns the public as we've heard in previous episodes the l. Ast has a long history of racist clicks the fact that new one has suddenly emerged with incompetent was troubling a watchdog group. The sheriff civilian oversight commission called for an investigation into the contents stations parent secret society in response. Sheriff jim mcdonnell launched a comprehensive study into tattooed groups in the l. a. s. d. in partnership with the la county council and the inspector general mcdonnell said. Our goal is to understand exactly what we're dealing with. Then come up with the best thinking on how to resolve. These long-standing concerns it's unclear. How exactly they carried out the study. But its findings were inconclusive. According to the la times the enquiring never even the deputy gang members to reveal themselves and according to la county attorney chandler pokka even if the l. ast did obtain the names of gang members it didn't have to disclose them even during the taylor family's lawsuit. It was difficult to bring any evidence to light in a pre trial. Hearing the judge ordered that deputies may be questioned about their tattoos in the future if they were given the chance to object. The judge however didn't ask any officers to reveal their at the time but that future questioning never came before any damaging information could come out during the trial. La county settled the suit for seven million dollars to be paid by taxpayers. The county apparently preferred shelling out millions rather than admitting this existed but the damage was done word about the new nameless. Lsd gang had spread and soon fellow. Deputies were tired of their antics and exposed their misdeeds to the world next the execution has terrorized the compton. Elliot's de station. Hey podcasters alistair here. If you haven't had a chance to check out the entertaining podcast blind dating. Now's the time to binge for. You've missed before catching all new episodes every wednesday in this spotify original from podcast with expanded the places. 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The complaint stemmed from an incident in february two thousand and twenty when the executioners alleged enforcer deputy eugene controllers was targeting another competent deputy named thomas bonilla's according to abc seven bonello sindhu five years of bullying and intimidation from the click and it culminated in a near fatal incident. Where contraire us allegedly assaulted him in the compton station. Parking lot control reportedly bashed his elbow into bonello says head several times leaving him bloody. He warned bonello if he told anyone about the attack. He'd become no good to the executioners that meant all members of the gang could retaliate against him off to the incident. Bonilla's told his fellow. Deputy ouster bet so art. Gonzales concern for his colleagues safety. Gonzales filed a report to the internal affairs bureau on a confidential tip line. He thought he'd remain anonymous. But according to the l. a. times somehow the executioners found out the complaint came from him a few days later. gonzalez's received a mysterious text message. It was a photo of the words. Art is a rat scrawled on the station's parking lot. Keypad other deputies refused to partner with gonzales. Afraid of guessing pulled into the conflict fearing even more retaliation. Gonzales needed to protect himself in july. Two thousand and twenty. He filed a legal claim against l. county. Gonzalez's complaint revealed the gangs name the executioners. He said the gang numbered around twenty out of the stations. Roughly one hundred deputies. Gonzalez's also confirmed that the skull tattoo was the executioners branding. he even testified that the ink had nazi imagery. One of the most stunning allegations was about the groups. Oppose it initiation process before joining deputies. Have to impress execution as members a process cold chasing inc. According to gonzales. Only two offices are allowed to join each year and they have to fit the group's criteria which excludes women and black people however it's unclear. What chasing inc actually entails. Gonzalez's asserted that deputies have gained acceptance after being involved in high profile shootings. Much like that of dante taylor. After these incidents the deputies who pulled the trigger allegedly used a tactic employed by the executioners to evade charges the ghost gun they would claim the victim brandished a weapon justifying the use of force according to gonzalez's testimony in reality. They've never seen the gun and then at the end a gun is never recovered. After the initiates violent act the gang supposedly heads to an unknown bar for a nine nine eight brief party named after the code for a deputy involved shooting in his claim. Gonzales said some people. Say it's to celebrate. The deputy is alive others say it's to celebrate that they're going to be inking somebody. The inking of course involves the skull tattoo that allegedly brands each execution a member. The same one. Deputy samuel l. dhamma admitted to having on his carve if these allegations are true. Who knows how many officer involved shootings in compton are actually gang. Initiations gonzales claimed that at least one other high profile incident was an executioner's induction the shooting of andres guardado on june eighteenth. Two thousand twenty eighteen year old on dress cuando was working as a security guard in gardena the content. He was standing outside talking with another person in a car blocking driveway at five fifty two. Pm deputies miguel vega and chris hernandez approached and according to the offices redondo flashed a gun and ran. The deputies opened fire. And shot corrado. In the back five times he died at the scene. The killing occurred just weeks after minneapolis. Police killed george floyd while black lives matter. Protests was surging around the world. When news broke about yet another fatal shooting by law enforcement it sparked outrage many including deputy. Gonzales thought the content executioners were to blame but some of the details of that case don't align with the gangs ammo in the subsequent investigation. There was one stark contrast to dante. Taylor's case the l. s. d. found a gun at a media briefing on august twelfth the l. s. d. homicide bureau. Commander chris marx said the recovered gun didn't have a serial number but it had ammo. He claimed there were no fingerprints. But there were traces of guardia. Does dna the guns existence made. It seem less likely that the executioners were involved after all the ghost gun was allegedly one of their main tactics with an actual weapon in evidence. it sounded. Like the deputies shot guadagno in self-defense. Thinking he was in a street gang and commander mark seemed to be hinting at that theory throughout the press. Conference mere minutes. After speaking about guardado steph marks pivoted to talk about gang related shootings that had occurred on the same block. Several reporters asked if he was implying that the incidents were related but marks denied this. Here's an excerpt of what he said again. I don't have any information. That links. Mr godot to any of these previous incidents. This is background information. And it's also to share with you that we have parallel investigations and as we understand. There's a lot of public desire and media desire for information on this case. But we're just not have not been in a position to share information on this case because of this parallel investigation and all the search warrants being served at the thirteen locations. Now today we're in a position we can give you an update and provide you that information the next day sheriff. Alex vian waiver spoke at another press conference. He denied that. A gang operated in the compton station or anywhere else. Here's is a portion of his remarks. Heidi department critics the overwhelming majority of deputies who socialize with each other i know different than other. Social groups in military organizations sports teams college fraternities police departments and even fire departments. Tattoos are very common and their presence is not evidence of any sinister purpose absence evidence of associated misconduct anecdotal claims of criminal conduct from trial and defense attorneys must be viewed in their proper context. They're advocating on behalf of their client and they have to exaggerate the impact of their claims against the simple fact that department makes over two and a half million context here across the county with scant evidence to support claims of groups of deputies allegedly behaving as gangs. The few cases that have arisen over the last dig has centered on deputies engaged in misconduct with their peers as victim. Not the community. This was true with a custody. Deputies fight at the quite cannon in two thousand ten the kennedy hall fight in two thousand eighteen and now the fight between deputies at compton station in twenty twenty. There is zero evidence of three more deputies engaged in criminal activity with a unifying symbol. Whose primary purpose is to commit crime against zero tolerance. La times quickly refuted via nuevas position on august twentieth. The newspaper made a major connection. The deputies who killed bardo miguel vega and chris hernandez were mentioned in gonzalez's testimony as perspective executioners members. When asked about it. Vegas attorney denied that his client had any tattoos. Let alone deputy gang inc. But the connection prompted granados family to wonder whether his killing was part of an initiation in september. Two thousand and twenty. They filed a wrongful death lawsuit against la county. Guardado and dante. Taylor's deaths aren't the only fatalities linked to the l. a. s. d. compton station. They just happened to be the ones that made headlines according to the la times homicide report. Deputies have killed twenty. Nine people in compton since two thousand we don't know how many of those killings were unintentional or if any of them were part of alleged executioner initiations as gonzalez's complaint illustrated the execution is used the violent tactics to terrorize not only content citizens but also their own colleagues according to the la times. Like many of the deputy clicks. It's possible that the executioners have modeled themselves off to prison gangs just like in many prisons at the contents station. The shots are called by the ruling gangs powerful boss and starting in two thousand sixteen the executioners alleged shock collar jamie warez served as the station scheduling deputy. He was responsible for arranging his colleagues shifts days off and overtime. Allegedly warez always designed the calendar to benefit the executioners according to gonzalez's claim the acting captain removed juarez from his scheduling row prior to two thousand nineteen. When warez wanted another execution in the position. His kamanda refused in response. Juarez allegedly led a work stoppage. This meant that. Executioners members responded slowly to or outright ignored police kohl's according to the l. a. times gonzales recalled that very minimal arrests occurred during the slowdown. And this wasn't the only tool in the executioners arsenal on other occasions gonzalez also asserted that the gang set arrest quotas which are illegal to set up these schemes. The executioners allegedly used the encrypted messaging platform. what's app this made. Their correspondence virtually undetectable. All of this led to what some have cool. The execution has total control of the compton station. Gonzalez's attorney told the la times that the gang dominates every aspect of life their execution members and their prospects tend to receive preferential treatment even when it comes to routine assignments. Gonzales witnessed this firsthand to once the executioners heard that he wasn't interested in joining the gang his supervisors assigned him to fourteen months of traffic duty and he did it. Desperate to avoid the wrath of the gang after he made his complaint in february two thousand and twenty. Gonzales feared they would retaliate with violence instead the executioners sabotaged his career coming up the la county sheriff's department refuses to take action. This episode is brought to you by casper. You're most life. Changing sleep is about what's underneath. This is a casper mattress inside precisely one thousand five hundred and one perforations create a cooling system so effective. You won't be awake to notice. 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You'll always have someone to help you answer questions along the way life insurance could mean everything to you and your family help protect them today by learning more at life insurance dot state farm dot com or talking with your state farm agent like a good neighbor state farm. Is there now back to the story in february. Two thousand twenty deputy art. Gonzales reported a member of the content. Executioners for assaulting a fellow deputy knowing the clicks violent tendencies. Gonzales took a week of vacation time to protect himself until the controversy died down but when he returned the scheduling sergeant suddenly demoted him citing his frequent as off. Gonzales believed. he was demoted. As a result of his whistle blower activity potentially at the behest of the executioners and that wasn't their only destructive behaviour when he requested a transfer to another station. it's possible they exerted their influence to ensure it got denied and from that point on. Gonzalez's superiors regularly refused to approve his overtime within deputy. Eugene contraire the executioner who gonzales reported was switched to the same day shift as gonzales when gonzales tried to change to another the scheduling sanchez. Suggested he work graveyard hours which would make it impossible for gonzales to care for his daughter and this point. Gonzalez's new the executioners would only make his life increasingly miserable that was when he filed his legal claim against los angeles county in june. Two thousand twenty despite the revelations the complaint made about the executioners la sheriff. alex vienna waivers response has been all talk and no action which is strange. Given that in august two thousand and twenty vienna waiver announced disciplinary action against a different click. The east la bandidos at a press conference. The wave declared that twenty six east. La deputies involved in a two thousand eighteen fight would be suspended or terminated. He announced a zero tolerance policy against deputy clicks and confirmed that the fbi was also investigating the organizations however even while visa-waiver also publicly acknowledged the bandidos. He denied that any other. Deputy gangs including the executioners since then via the waiver has clarified the l. a. Zero tolerance policy does not include actively looking for gang members in october. He told abc seven. We come across it. We'll address it but we're not going to strip down the entire department to look for tattoos. La county's inspector. General added that there were no active inquiries regarding deputy clicks. He said were unable to investigate effectively because of the obstruction of the sheriff's department there is a fear that even if new inquiries are opened they won't get very far in the past. They've been swept under the rug by cash settlements. Like dante taylor's full death lawsuit the seven million dollar payout. To taylor's family wasn't the first one. According to a report by la county attorney's there have been sixty cases many of them. Still pending dealing with eight separate deputy clicks in the cases that have settled the county has distributed about fifty five million dollars to the families. It's a so cool consequence that doesn't actually incentivize the elliott to clean up their act. The county doesn't hold them accountable criminally. So there's no threat of charges or jail time. Additionally the settlements paid for by la county tax payers not out the guilty offices own pockets plus lawsuits and legal. Claims can take years to settle. In the meantime compton citizens are demanding. More immediate justice on august fourth. Two thousand twenty they held a press conference urging a federal investigation into the cotton. Lsd station residents discussed how deputies regularly targeted and wrongly arrested innocent people. Even asia brown a black woman shared a story about her own. Tense encounter with content deputies in june of two thousand nineteen round was driving through the city with her husband and infant daughter when an l. Ast patrol car pulled the mova. The deputies claimed she ran a red light which she denied doing within seconds as many as nine other patrol. Cars arrived as backup. The deputies ordered brown to exit her vehicle and placed her hands on the roof. Then they searched the compton mayor as if she were a criminal unaware of her political status brown said they such tacoma for drugs but found nothing. Still the deputies issued brown tickets but when they realized she was the mayor they took the citation back. Soon after brown filed an official complaint with the l. a. s. d. but comptons mayor couldn't even spur a conclusive investigation. Nothing ever came from it. Even when brown voiced frustration at the press conference over a year later she never accused the executioners by name in fact her story and others made it clear. That contin has many policing issues and the alleged gang is just one of the more ones still brown and other content officials are trying to incite in the only way they can. City leaders wrote a letter to the us and california attorney general demanding a civil rights investigation into the compton lsd station. Gonzalez's legal claim against the executioners may have spurred the request as well as the recent black lives matter protests secondly city officials have recently considered ending their contract with the elliott st during the august fourth press conference brown said we demand justice from the content sheriffs and we will no longer continue to pay you. Twenty two million dollars to terrorize this community. The current status of both actions is unknown. Though as recently as october it appeared that city officials had distanced themselves from the idea of cutting ties with the sheriff's department. In the meantime the lsd's idleness may allow some deputies to continue to violate the rights of innocent people often with deadly consequences on august. Thirty first two thousand twenty twenty nine year old dijon. Kizzee was riding his bike in south. La near compton around three fourteen pm. A pair of deputies pulled him over for riding a bicycle in an unlawful manner according to witness. La when the deputies approached kizzee allegedly dropped his bike and ran according to the lsd when they caught up to him kizzee supposedly punched a deputy then they claimed that kizzee dropped his jacket and a handgun fell to the ground. Kizzee allegedly reached for the weapon. And that's when the deputies opened fire. According to his family's attorney kizzee was shot over twenty times in the back and left in the street for hours an early elliot's st report doesn't indicate when an ambulance arrived but emt's pronounce kizzie dead at the seen. The incident is still under investigation. So it's unclear if the deputies had any ties to the executioners but from what we do know the shooting shares some similarities with taylor and gordo's deaths however there is one key difference this time. A bystander took a video of what happened unfortunately. The grainy footage didn't confirm if kizzie had a gun alleged deputy gangs such as the executioners have contributed to a vicious cycle in communities like compton. These deadly shootings keep happening and the deputies involved rarely receive punishment. We have to ask ourselves how we can break the cycle. The growing public awareness of police brutality and use of excessive force is a start content could cut ties with the elliott st. But that alone won't fix the problem. The current deputies could simply be rehired by other sheriff for police stations. Just like what happens. When the compton police department was disbanded to make lasting change. The lsd needs to acknowledge that the deputy gangs excess. Just not just one. But all of them and the deputies involved need to be held accountable gangs and clicks within the sheriff's department able to thrive today because of the long history of deputies evading punishment. When they slip up they leave tax payers to pick up the tab but no law enforcement official should ever be considered above the law. They swore to protect. Thanks again for listening next week. Join us for the finale. We're taking a deep dive into another active gang. The east los angeles bandidos for more information on the compton. Executioners amongst the many sources we used we found the los angeles times and deputy art. Gonzalez's his legal claim extremely helpful to our research. 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Because there's some really good fights fights we're just gonna were basically gonna talk main card and then a few fights from the premiums that i want to talk about so let's start by talking about the fight. We were just talking about ryan hall taking on to puria meals dot. What like ufc. Already while you're hannigan annot But he's ten got to the missions seven subs or something like that found hill to To knock out seven subs and then one decision. It looks like thank. You gotta ten and no record. He said you saw cup war. Put him on you. did you think man. would you see. Well here's the thing that i like. You said he's a relative unknown. And i really didn't know a lot about him before so i was like who is guy. So i went on youtube saw few clips. Any seems like a legit striker. Dude you know he. He was definitely working damon. Jacks in fucking going to the body mixing it up going to the head like just it real real clean. Striking seems to be super athletic super explosive and he's got one punch k. Oh man i think he knocked them out like one punch You know it was just like a single punch. I think it was a straight right. And they brought him down So he's he's real deal like he. He's got some good striking ability added. Know much about his jiu jitsu or his ground game But if he's got seven subs some good skills on the ground to so You know. I like i said i. I'm excited to see him fight more. So i'm excited for this fight especially who he's up against. Because i definitely get to see it. Looks like we're definitely going get see a lot of his skills against ryan all so Yeah with that said. I don't know man Mobile right if you looked up. League jackson like to watch more of his fights no. I don't think jamie jazz. Mcconnell look like the guy the bad guy from the green lantern movie who's head got super long. Does jam is a leader. It's just as sweaty loss. Ryan were easier. What do you think Okay so i. It's hard for me to tell. Here's if if If the fights if ilya is able to keep it on on you know keep it standing up. I think he's gonna get him. I don't think ryan hall can take power. I don't think he can. He can out Strike him at all. So ryan's strategy is going to have to beat to take him down and who knows man even there who knows because it sounds like ilias got some good ground game so i know ryan halls. Oh on the ground. But you know. I i really don't know what what Ilyas is ready to do. I think just elliot's got maybe more tools in his tool to box that he can use So my brain is going. Ilia they For like a submission or like a. Maybe i don't even know. I don't even i just just a win. I don't know how we win This it sounds like it could end in a number way. So ilia coming out the victor. I do like ryan hall lot. Like i'm a fan like i think you said you were as well so i wanna see ryan hall win but i think safe money is going to be about you all right all right. I'm gonna go over by at home in got ryan hall in this training at the tristar gym. He's got gsp's old coach farrah's hobby as his coach. Got no doubt that they're gonna come up with a game plan to figure what's his face on. What's his i'm sorry. What was his name again. Elliot's ilya ilya ilia. I know that for a farrah's is gonna come up with a game plan specifically for ryan hall. They've had a lotta time to prepare for this fight. I feel that Elliot does have the advantage in the standard game but eventually this fights can hit the ground and it looks like elliot's majority of wins. Have come by way of submission. If we're just going to go off of submitting of each other's submission game in this match. I'm going ryan hall all day long men. Hopefully ryan can get this fight to the ground. Soon we can get the fight to the ground. The fast he's gonna rip off elliot's ankles or foot. I'm but ryan how neat getting a sneaky take down pulling guard. Mo- most likely maybe even doing some type of inventory role and going for either a knee bar or he'll hook i. I'm going ryan hall submission round one. I've been here now. Talk a worms and on the internet regarding ilia as far as him possibly pulling off a big upset here So it can it can happen. You know what. I need your soubra louis right bondo. This is prime for an upset. You know what. I mean when you when i saw this fight on paper i instinctively wine hall immediately without even giving it a second thought but the more i look at it you know what i mean. The more on second guessing you know but if you put a gun to my head right now i'm going ryan hall up. Rambling are right on the next five our quick nico price and michelle parada or michael. Petty don aren't. I'm not sure if you know anything. Too much about these guys bonzo. A nego price was on a hot streak for awhile kinda cooled off since then also coincided with him fighting higher level competition so that might have something to do. He's always extremely exciting. Super fun to watch either gonna knock somebody out or get knocked out. Michael data on the other hand like telephones all earlier. He's got all the tools to be a champion. You know what i mean. He's strong he's got stand up he's got ground game he's explosive. He's big for the way. Classic cuts a lot of weight and then by the time that fight comes he's usually the bigger guy in the cage a watching italy. He's more of a show boater. He likes to entertain. He is paying attention to the crowd when he probably should be paying attention to the fight and he has guest out in the past. I don't remember what five was. But he was fighting somebody and he just had this super extravagant flamboyant walked into the cage where he did multiple flips multiple dance moves. I wanna say like halfway through the first round. He was already gassed wall to just remember when he fucking was fighting diego sanchez. like that. Whole fucking fight was just like no. I mean diego. Sanchez went off the rails anyways right like he was just like do what he was doing in that fight but michelle. Just michael wasn't really taking it serious either like he. He was Dig on the ground. michael is trying to work his way in into the guard or like into like some ground and pound. And then it's like so diego trying to up kick michael and then instead of michael Just repositioning going into side control or something like that. He is doing a backflip. Right onto dago. You remember that shit. Yes yes totally remember. What a waste of energy what You know what i mean like. I'll just things that were wrong with that. But whatever that's he's the one in there you know what i mean. And that's what you're going to get. You know you're gonna get Just you never. You don't know what you're going get. Actually you know you don't know if he's going to do a flip you don't know he's gonna shoot a takedown you don't know if he's in a pull off a cup wetter back kick. Who knows what this guy's gonna do But i am. I am going to go with parade in this match Oh i a needle is the dance partner. That parada wants that. The ufc wants to showcase and Aeko is gonna go out. I think nichols gonna go out. Tko i'm saying tko round three early round old man. Do yeah all right. All right Yeah i'm gonna have to. I'm going to have to again Say nico man just i got nico on this one I mean yeah. He's michael paraders is is is a big dude compared to you know whoever else in the class and he's definitely got skills but maybe maybe just because i don't like the showboats steph. I'm not really a fan. I don't want to win. And i just really like niko prices style but aside from that Nicos got some really good stand up. And i love to watch him fight like he's he's got some serious skill he's got you know he's piece athletic. I mean like you can anytime watching fight. Like he's putting on a good show not not the type of michael's putting down. You know what i'm saying. Not the type of show. That michael does so i. I think he's gonna get him. I think he's taking this way too seriously. You know he knows what it would feel kinda just like not not be at the top anymore. Rising to the top anymore. And this is the second rise. This is Is chance to show that he can. He can be a contender again. You know what i'm saying. So i say he's gonna end up taking it to him second round knockout nico price. Who you're carrying my counter. How are you dash served. Take wait let me see. Who's the favorite. Gm has michael data michelle pineda as favorite of mine is one fifty five favorite nickel. That's yeah that's kind of the average of what i'm looking at as well so there you go. There's your upset man. I feel it. I mean it's not a huge huge difference but you know a couple of hundred dollars makes a difference yeah. Cbs sports has him at steam. You'd be a sports has him as a minus one sixty favorite nico price plus one forty. So let's go. I'll just use e cbs sports All right coup as as a gauge from now on all right all right next fight. We're talking about carlos condit. Max grew food. Carl's kanji max griffin. You want to go over the fight odds real quick on this one. Yeah go ahead are so max. Griffin is a heavy minus one. Seventy five favorite carlos conde coming in as the underdog at plus one fifty five so you okay the one hundred bucks carl it you get one fifty five back in order to make a hundred bucks on mexican you'd have to lay down one seventy five what you think about this woman. You know it's the uppercut versus a legend kind of a of a deal here. And i'm just going to go with my heart dude. I i like to watch callers conduct fight. I mean we've been watching for a long time. Want to see and win man. I'm excited for the fight. Just because of who it is so. I'm going to say carlos decision. Well i'll tell you. What bro i won't max griffin's leucopenia page says here got i re- black belt and kickboxing first degree. Black belt in balk food and a black belt in mirror. Nobles fighting system are note that he is open. I don't know man. I just thought it was funny and i wanted to bring that up by. He is coming off two wins in a row. He's got a win off of somebody named song keenan. Ko round one That was in march of this year. Then we go back to november of last year and he beat romney's image by tko stoppage in the third round But before that he lost alex cowboy oliveira and then he that he lost to alex moral before that he beats Limb imanaliev by decision and then before that he lost twice in a row to not before beating. Mike perry back in twenty eighteen by unanimous decision. He's kind of Journeyman he's been he's been fighting for a while I think his first. I was back in two thousand nine So he's no spring chicken. He is coming off to win but i mean i'm not too impressed with those kind of feel like this. That match was handpicked. Four carlos condit to kinda like right off into the sunset. I'm not saying this is an easy fight for For carl's to win. But i do for see him winning this match not easily. I do see it like you said a three round unanimous decision Possibly even a split decision. You know. But i do see women out on top ending his career with this impossibly in the us at least he can always compare knuckle or something else was about to say. Yeah that rounds out the prelims. Let's get into the main card here brother. I are these. This made car. Outright hard is going to open. Up with sean o'malley and Whose charters ziebel's to forgot. Chris not know well that's who he's fighting now but before. This is a late replacement right. Show yeah all. He was supposed to find that. Hawaiian kid loose smoker lewis smoker. Yeah he was supposed to by lewis. Smoker i mean he's tough but shamas probably going to beat that kid and then so when lewis smoke dropped out. There's all kinds of people hitting up your see asking for this fight merav The guy that trained with Who's the guy just stole the one thirty five pound belt funk master algebra algebra he trains with algebra and some rob. The i always forget how to say his last name but it starts with a d. But this guy would mall sean. O'malley tim elliott wanted to crack at o'malley rape board wanted a crack at him. And ricky soem. I heard ricki. Simone was pretty close within at the last minute. They found out he wasn't going to be able to make the weight so that's why he didn't get the shop But either one of those four guy. That i just mentioned would have been a fucking killer match up against sean o'malley instead. He's going up against his kid. Chris tino anything about that guy funds will i have to look up and watch some fights He's pretty good dude. I was pretty pretty impressed with some of his Some of his fights But i don't know man. I think sean is gonna take many ways i i i mean i don't i. Don't see him winning this fight Let me look up some of his records so we can talk about talk about that as well. You can on your dog right now. And as far as the betting odds go. Cbs sports home kit. Negative my cd's right negative seven hundred sixty three zero molly seventy negatively hundred. What dude. i've seen that's low a check this out. I found it as i on. Mybookie my book. He has shot o'malley at a minus eight hundred favorites. Christmas doodo was four fifty underdog. There is a there is a sports bet has it. has o'malley negative twelve fifty. Then now i wanna put all fifty down just for one hundred bucks. And then what's what's the highest here so five so po fan duel is got mukeno at a positive At a plus five ninety. That's the highest. I see here so put in a hundred bucks dude. You almost six double your money. That's insane insane. All right so who do you have on that fight. Who do you have I got up on and he's nine four three cao's once mission five decisions. Who has he fought. Where has he fought as of recently. He's fought for cage fury and then before that building call c. s. enemy own but i don't recognize any of the names i don't either. That's probably why he's so low on the on the betting odds too because like he hasn't really had like top contenders who he fought. Will smith in his amateur record. I see loose-knit back in twenty twenty hour. I was i was about to ask like was he. Like men in black will smith or was he like independence day will smith. You know 'cause that that makes a difference and then which men in black was men in black one was like men in black three. 'cause i don't know man if it was like will smith and like in independence day. There's no way. I this guy's a beast but if you fall will smith in like while west i get it. Well in two thousand fifteen will. Smith was in concussion and focus and nurses not either one of those yet so that bees. Yeah he it was. It was low bar is low bar. Yeah that's true. Resume does say he got one entanglement right here. Bet you have three. Beat will smith jada was like hey was sir All of a sudden all a sudden who who. What was your picking that. Fight again sean. O'malley an i got him Winning second round. Ko second round ko. This another another highlight. Reel for sean. O'malley elbow sean o'malley. Ko round one okay. He he's come in every pressure trying to make a statement. He's gonna talk some shit. Get that mike and he may be by up too much he can do because after this. He has a fight. Somebody in the top eight top ten year has no more fucking around. They been putting this kid up against people who come on. Let's let's be honest here. People that he that it's obviously known that he can win. You know he's just they're just patting his record. Yeah yeah so. I'm i'm ready to see him. Step up in competition for sure. Next by irena. Donna and oh yes. So i said o'malley of round one kale next by irene. Donald and john meeks who needs guy. Would you got man going to be a great fucking fight looking super four to this one Yeah but like. I gotta go. I gotta go with homegirl irene. All donya man. I love what she's been doing recently. She's in she's a beast it just her stand up is clean. She's got good groundwork holly home. But i don't know man. I mean i had her had her up on a couple of those rounds. Some like you know what i'm saying. I think he's going to take these. It's gonna win And i want to say it's going to be a decision fight. It's going to go to the end. So i wanted to say unanimous decision unanimous renowned. Donna renal danica But it's gonna. I think it's going to be a pretty good back and forth fight but she's gonna end up going Taking taking advantage of most of the rounds by how tall who needs five eight iron out donnas five nine so they're pretty pretty much the same sivan fight odds right now and most of vegas has it. Almost even do irena. Donna is a slight fe every I'm seeing her as high as minus one twenty five minus one thirty then. Yana is as low as high as a plus one of seven. So go you're not yet it's almost. It's almost even you know looking at words like you mentioned you know. Algana is coming off of a five round decision loss to hauling home but do that is bad ass over that she was coming off two in a row. I'm gonna go with you. Man i think aldana is gonna use that experience as she got off five route with hollywood do eyebrows with the former saying a lot. You know. i'm definitely going to go. Irene out donna decision. A she's only got to put up their only three rounds so she's not going to have the five rounds so she can use more energy. She doesn't have to hold back. Tried even get a finnish. no. Yana is tough but i do see irene using her boxing using her stand. The an edgy now victory. So i am going aldana unanimous decision. Okay cool there we go. And then that takes to next a heavyweight bow. Tie to a to serve versus. Greg hardy What are the odds on those frank row. I'm looking at it right now. And i have. I don't have but vegas has tied to aversa as favorite and i'm looking at the vandal has him as high a minus one. Forty four and greg hardy. You'll get your money's worth on. Multiple sites has have him at a plus fifteen so not really too much of a difference there. Draftkings plus fifteen vandal has an a-plus went eighteen sport. Bit plus one eighteen to A slight favourite. Here someone's going to get hurt big time in this jack. Oh yeah look heavy hitter. That people have been asking to see greg. Hardy get for a long time because everybody just wants to see him get knocked the f. Ow people still got a boner for him for what he did a long time ago. And maybe he hasn't paid for if he hasn't. This is the fight to watch. 'cause he's probably gonna get smacked up super hard in this. He's gonna to need more than greg. Hardy is going to need more than his athletic ability to get past. Two vasek is to we. Author has a concrete block of head and he drops hammer dude. He's got an hour later. Beer out of your shoot. So greg hardy is going to have his hands full man. I'll i'm going to say. Tko voss round to greg. hardy. You're going down rather. Yeah yeah i have to agree man Unless you know the only thing. I would see that it might go a different way. I i still think maybe two would win. Would come out on. Victor regard list but you know if it turns into one of those like just grappling liked sturdy grappling ashes. Were nobody's really swinging. You know maybe that would be great. Hardee's planet if he feels power and he just gets like you know he just starts notices like. Oh shit i you know i. I can't trade with him he just starts trying to tie him up and then just clench and press them up against the cage and just all as much as possible. I can see this going like a really boring fight actually which i don't want it to be and i hope it's not But that could be it either way. tie to vasev. You know decision could happen. But i think it's more likely to happen. So i'll go with you. I'll go ahead and do agree with you. Second round knockout tightrope wasser. Yeah i think that hardy is his plan is gonna be to come in and getting close man because the more spacey gives to boston more spacey. The more time he's going to have to load up on And throw europe so if we can close the distance can manipulate the fight and can't tire to vassar. Possibly get a down possibly keep them in like in a multi plum or just precip against the cage. He's got a chance they he doesn't have that much more less experienced in two awesome. You know what i mean to us has got fifteen fights. Greg hardy already got ten. So as experience goes tweet. Bosses got a little bit of advantage there. A great heart. He's got all the advantages as athleticism coaching like. I said man it only is gonna take one shot from two evocative drop party on his ass. And i think we're going to see it. I think we're going to see him down. Heart both got two second round all right to this co main event. Fight that we're about to talk about. Have you watched the countdown. Show you for this show. I have not to allow night. And i am pumped for this pratt. Here people are sleeping on. Stephen wonderboy thomson man. People of a dynamic striker. This guy is this guy's coming from all different angles and he's not just kicking dude. He's got hands. He's got nobles award. They're coming from all over the place he'll jump he'll he'll duck to the side he'll dart in and now you know he dude anti what could even get him down with t would would. Would on so yeah. That's a lot you know hot but on the other side of the cage that night we got my man. Guber duty burns blow off. Dude i said it before. And i'm gonna say it again. Doing you will be a chance in this way class soon. However i don't know if he's gonna have enough to take wonderboy down he does. Does he have the skills to do. Yes however one was at that reach. And warner has that down defense like no other and if uber cannot get wonderboy down. He's in for a long night. I see wonderboy picking duty no apart and just amassing. The damage as the as the fight goes on with those bony long arms and both kicks. I just don't think that duty. Your has the stand up yet to get in with wonderboy. And i think wonderful is going to earn himself title. Shot here tonight on this night and We're going to watch a what i mean. This could be wonderboy. Is last run at the title and he might be the best version of himself. He's ever been with all this experience. All this confidence all this everyone's been drawn back and forth and you know who hasn't been trying to chirp that much as been wonderboy. He's been leading. Everybody talk Every month stepping up everyone and he's just been in the background just watching patiently watching patiently waiting to get healthy waiting to get back in and this is his ticket to the title shot and i think he knows that and he is more than prepared for it and like i said. I think we're gonna see the best version that we've ever seen if comoro did what he did to duty. No i don't see wonderboy having a problem at all 'cause he picked him apart do he fought him up. Dropped him but some hand with his hands. I wonder boy the same thing. Not as quickly as kamara did it but over like i said over time i wouldn't be surprised if wonderboy one by tko late round four or midway through around five. But i'm definitely going wonderboy. I say yeah do. I have to agree. i love that. Wonderboy style Just you know just in and out quick like you know what i'm saying. He's got that siwei stats. It's it's like he's able to move super. Fluidly I think he's gonna end up using a lot of the leg. Kicks to keep Gilbert burns at bay tried to take out his leg so he you know you can't shoot as as well as as as he as you can keep them bay that way and then use other strikes to the also keep them from coming in but So i completely agree with you. Although i see this going all the way You know and just kind of picking. Apart i don't know if he's gonna get a A knockout or tko I'll play it safe. You're just call it. Stephen thompson split decision round Going all five rounds But i do agree with everything. Said i do. Do i would love to see thompson again. I would love to fight. That'd be great but yeah yep and You know. I do think though that he He's he's going to have some challenge going through gilbert burns Especially if gilbert bernstein's able to to bring him down He might be able to. I don't think he might be able to keep them down though. So we'll we'll see what happens but yet my my money's was stephen. Wonderboy thomson unanimous or split decision. Excuse me yeah no doubt. No doubt brother are manually. Get into this main event. Last fight of the night stewart last fight of the main event harsh three now think back to how many movies you've watched in the past. How may fight you watching the past. That have made it up to three parts. You know what i mean. I'm thinking like just off the top of my head vanderlei silva quinn jackson. They fought three times chocolate ortiz Wasn't it a read on as marcus. But it harvey's to go three three three rounds boxing hulk hogan iron sheik omar bradley bradley when practice restaurant but man. I can't really remember what happened in too many of those other fights. You know what. I mean like you usually like chocolate or chocolate. Just always wilpon tito ortiz. Yeah so gus important. Connor mcgregor tied up at one apiece however connors victory over dozen with wavy back in the day and it kinda just seems like that was when dustin was just a kid and now he's grown up a man and now he can handle his own and i just don't see her winning the site. I don't see any way anyhow. That he's gonna bring back that magic in luster that he had when he was on his way up. I don't care what you know. He may want that to happen. But i just don't think that doesn't is is ready to give up that bill and connors not that guy to take it from him the way that car the way that connor thinks he's going to be able to. Is he going to come in. What throwing kicks like. He used to and take out dozens legs. I don't know. I don't know i mean. Look back at the second fight. Conor was landing. some shots. Use caught him a couple of times. Yeah yeah he caught him. Yeah even district said. He hit him hard. You know who knows what would have been if he would have checked those kicks or if those aches destined of landed does was getting the best of him as well. You know doesn't wasn't messing around so for part three of this fight. I don't really see anything changing much. You know we're a few. Were like a week away from this fight. You know two weeks away yet. No not even. We're next weekend. Is this fight already by this last fight. We should already know what the results are by by this time next week. We should know what happened. Oh for sure we will for sure will but what. I was thinking what i was gonna say was leading up to. The second fight. Conor was on instagram posting. Hey check these new vans i. I bought two colours. Check out my watches and i just bought. 'cause this last fight was in dubai. So connor was there early and he was shopping and he was posting picks left ryan going out to dinners and like i said before. That's one of my tells us when i picked my finances. If i'm not sure who's gonna win the fight. I'll go on instagram. I don't check out each fighters profiles to see what they've been posted what they've been doing and connor was all about the instagram life. And dustin wasn't even chirpin on anything so and look what ended up happening. Dosages put up major. Be down connor. He was focused and radio moment. That bill rain and he got his hand east now part threes coming back around. Dustin is the champ. He's going to defend his title. He's got all this attention all these all these accolades. He's got a lot of a lot of steam coming up behind him. He's got his his nonprofit organization on his shoulders. I don't think he wants to give up all his attention. And all this all this good publicity that he's been getting And i don't like. I said i don't think conor is going to be the one to take it away either. Connor got a lot of money from recently from his sales. A proper twelve whiskey when you're living comfortably man. I mean how many anymore dr do you have. How good call. Good work dude. How hungry is he to get that title back. Does he want to do all the hours. All the time that it takes to become champion. And does he believe that he's a champion. And then the other thing too is. Yeah and once you're happy and people are coming for you. You know what i'm saying like it's more work after that and then you you you become the poster boy again. You have to go back to work. You know what i'm saying like it's not it's not just like oh i i. I'm holding onto the belt. That's it like there's this shit you gotta do once you become champ. So you're right man having that lifestyle let he's created for himself. Does you really wanna do that. Shit all over again. I don't know yeah. Yeah who knows man. I dunno only connor cancer. That question you know what. I mean with that being said though i do think that we are going to see different version. Connor a smarter a smarter connor. But i don't think it's going to be enough to overcome dustin. I think this is dustin. Prime he is the man of the mountain right now. He is the pound. He's the champ of this division and he's gonna rule for a little bit longer man. He's gonna be there for a little bit longer. I think that this time we are going to see a five round fight but we are gonna see. Doesn't come out on top and i think this is going to be fight of the night for sure We're gonna be seeing to warriors going to total. Just try to outdo each other us as fans. We're going to win most definitely. There is only going to be one winner. It's gonna be dustin but after this i. I'm sure that neither fighter is gonna be the same after this man because it's going to be one of those that's gonna take a toll on their career. Forshaw does importing By i'm gonna say split Okay yeah that's that's a good call. I was about to say. And then. Just oh i was just about to be forgotten on yet. Dustin is a slight favourite. I'm seeing him in the range of as low as minus one ten favorite all the way up to a minus one thirty connor. I see corner at a minus one ten on bit any sports And as high as a plus one ten on a few handful of sites so yeah pretty evenly Pretty evenly matched. Yeah all right. Sorry funnel now who what i was about to say that to just i mean i don't know i i mean it surprises me that connors odds are so so high still like they're pretty high. You know what. I'm saying. Like i would have put a much lower Chance of winning. Just because of how i mean his last fight this their last fight i mean he really yeah. He landed a few shots but he was just he was. He was out outmaneuvered in almost every single way. Like you know those those they kiss but not only that the exchanges i think employ got more and more out. Those exchanges in connor did and he was just showed how how much more dominant fighter that. Destiny's so yeah. I agree that he is gonna be a more Connor is going to be more smarter. Fighter You know he'll he'll check those kicks. Probably which you know. Little force doesn't find a different way to attack and to get the upper hand. And i think you will. I don't think is going to end up going. All the all five rounds. Oh all go ahead and say fourth round stoppage fight for poi- ou our our eyes. So they don't go. That's the us to sixty four keep reviewed show at its cannot. I wrote down If you agree let us know if you don't let's throw down on this man let us know what your pixar will mix it up will use a new side and let's see what happens. You know what. I mean I feel pretty confident in our picks though we've been on a pretty good hot streak I'm not gonna brag too much about that but We kind of know what we're talking about so So if you wanna make some easy money go hit a betty. He'll bet you anything. And you end up winning. Sorry eddie you only push hard either. He'll just do all right man anything else. You want to add to this man. I'm just excited for these fights. I can't wait for next weekend. But for now i got a barbecue to get to hope you does out there Also enjoying your fourth of july celebrate. Be safe. don't blow yourselves up because you know we like talking to you guys in chilling with you guys so see you next time piece. That's right that's right. Hey don't be pulling your fingers off because then how you going to tweet his bank or leanna former all about his incredible invites you know if you don't respond. He's just assuming shown up and he's gonna come to your house so far got more wolves. 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