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Movie Theater Stocks Have Two Problems

MarketFoolery

18:29 min | 3 weeks ago

Movie Theater Stocks Have Two Problems

"It's Monday October fifth walk welcome the market fuller. I'm Chris Hill with me today. It's a Moser Monday Jason. They get to see you know man I normally it's merger Monday. Moser Monday and I can get behind that new branding I'm testing out see how it goes. We've got some entertainment business news. Talk. Portfolio allocation strategies. But we're going to start with the war on cash earlier today then Mo, which is the mobile payment service that is owned by paypal. Unveiled its first ever credit card. Jason. A shareholder you know I'm a fan of then Mo and yet when I saw this story, the one word question that popped into my head was why? This. Isn't that why I'm using Venema is GonNa say you mean why? From the Physical, Card Perspective or why would you have credit card from? I kind of both. All kidding aside, what what is the thinking here on Van Most Park I mean it's a fair question I guess. I. Mean. Let's remember that. It's a credit card. Now it is actually something that is backed by synchrony. Bank, which is a longtime partner paper towels in it's a visa card. So those are all the players in the value chain there. Alternately when we look at all of the things that pay pal is doing beyond just Bimbo. But but even when we look at what they're doing within Motoo, it's really about driving daily use an engagement, and so the card is really another step in that direction and It's not a surprise I mean we knew you know that they were going to be bringing this to market at some point in. So the idea generally is To drive daily use of then Mos- platform weather at that's in the form of of a credit card or in the form of using your phone. Now I, mean we you know we hear all the time sort of the well, do you want to pay with your phone or do you wanNA use a physical credit card I mean the friction is there regardless you gotta pull your phone out of your pocket or you gotTa pull your card out of your pocket. So using one or the other I don't think is really. That much of a difference but I do think that what they're doing with the card and what they're doing with Vin mo in general. Speaks to sort of that tech drive there in in specifically I'm talking about the Qr Code Strategy that they have. With. The VIN MacArthur GonNa. Have the actual Qr Code. On the card and and so with with. Them for example, like the Qr Code is just another way, you can use your phone to scan. Merchants. Codes that you can then pay via your own if you want. In. So I think that when you when you look at what pay pal is doing with Mo- whether it's the card whether it's the Qr Code Strategy, it's really just all about driving daily use in. So they've done a little bit of A. They've tinkered around with the reward structure on this card a little bit. To, where it's it's a little bit different than what you might find with typical cards in. So you have three percent cashback on the category in which you spend the most. Then you have two percent back on the second highest category, and then you have one percent back on all other purchases. So it's neat in the sense that it gives every card holder an opportunity to take advantage of their individual spending behavior right I mean with Amazon for example, that Prime Card really focuses on whole foods purchases, for example, Amazon purchases in. So with VIN scarred, they're looking at this younger generation of consumers and understanding but. They WanNa reward them just for really where they're spending their money as opposed to just encouraging them to spend their money or use that car one place or another I do think that makes a lot of sense. But between the card and what they're doing the Qr Code Strategy, meeting really is just a matter of driving daily use engagement for a particular demographic and certainly van Moas is keyed in on that your younger demographics I. Think it's a sensible move. Yeah I didn't mean to come off as I think it's a bad move i. I think it's a sensible move I. I guess I. Just look at it and think okay. What does success look like? How much? Does this show up in pay pals, quarterly results and it may. It may not be a big driver in terms of. New users or or that sort of thing I do see however how we could make then mo even more sticky. Yeah I. Think you made a very good point right there and I think to answer your question. It is extremely incremental at this point it is the economics of this are incremental in management is acknowledged that this this is less about. This is less about the bottom line in. It's more about really building out this this this car, this financial relationship with then mo in its users that that that users feel comfortable with it they WANNA use. On an ongoing basis, and so I mean, you just look back to their most recent quarter where they reported I mean obviously, very strong results for the business in general. But then Mo had a really strong quarters while net new ads were a very strong. They now have sixty million. Plus users in that platform and they grew the total payment volume by fifty two percent almost thirty, seven, billion dollars and so I, mean this card if it doesn't exist is venomous still going to be successful. Yeah absolutely. But it is something that they can add. They can add another dynamic to the relationship give consumers. One more way to participate to use that platform to benefit from the platform unique reward structure. They look at this data were they. They knowledged that seventy percent of people have health concerns right now but shopping in person and frankly it seems that number should be a little bit higher. In that, that certainly goes towards the the Qr Code strategy that they're using back. In August, they announced this partnership with CVs to where now you can actually use your. Pay Pal molecule record a Qr Code in the store, and again that's just that's that contactless style payment, and so it really is all going back to figuring out ways to make contact was to. Address the fact that that people have concerns about a contact about using cash figuring out new ways to do things and I think the car, the Qr code those are all. Pieces of that greater strategy to build up this this new fintech sort of company that's changing the way the money's moving around. Movie Theater Stocks Are Getting hammered today a sinner world group, which is the second largest theater chain in the world. Announced it is closing its theaters in the US and in the UK here in the US, it's regal cinemas in the UK. It's a world. So all told we're talking about more than six, hundred, fifty theaters roughly forty, five thousand employees who are going to be out of a job and the stock is down. Forty percent and. In sympathy I guess you could say shares of AMC, which is the largest movie theater chain. Down ten percents, cinemark down fifteen percent. We've seen sort of this drip drip drip of tentpole movies having their release date pushback. The latest James Bond movie which was supposed to come out this past April got pushed. November, and over the weekend was announced, it's getting pushed him next April and it's among other things Jason It is a reminder. Of how those big action tentpole movies Drive this business. Oh yeah, and I mean it's not just the theaters that are really feeling the pain today to write its. Properties which is A read that focuses on the entertainment arena in in general, but they have a lot of exposure to to movie theaters and in certainly a APR's feeling a little bit of that painted as well. Given given what we know. Is playing out in the movie theaters and you know when you look at cinema world, I mean. Into kind of the first thing. The first thing that made me think of it's kind of like kind of like Pluto, and Pluto was downgraded from planetary status like sin world is more like a Dwarf Planet. Now, like this isn't this isn't a world anymore this is really a company that's just struggling to figure out how to survive at this point because they've got to problems. They've. Got, two really big problems they got a supply problem and the demand problem and like noted with with the the actual releases having the content to get in those theaters. That's one problem. But then the other problem, obviously, the health concerns regarding the pandemic people just don't want to go sit in movie theater like like we used to and and so all of this is playing out. On these theaters big and small, and and when you you look at the cinema world's financials I mean they are facing the same problems as everyone else missing revenue falling off a cliff. They've got a slug of debt on the balance sheet eight and a half billion dollars and a half of that lease liabilities. But that speaks to the to the weight that that that those theaters can conserve right that drag that they can serve when when they're not being used in a theater is just like a restaurant is just like a retail store they're all of these high fixed costs in keeping those theatres open paying for those leases keeping them staffed and open. In. So you need traffic to go through them the more traffic that goes through the more profitable they become and that's great and good times. But in bad times as we're seeing now, just profitability just vanishes in I think the trouble. The. Trouble that they're facing. Is that you know when you start looking forward and try to figure out exactly how people are going to be feeling about going to the movie theater when all of this stuff passes over, I mean when when we finally turned the corner and in the concerns For Health aren't aren't the same as the are today are people. GonNa want to go back to the movie theaters like they did before I mean some will no doubt. But for all of the time that passes while we're not going to those movie theaters, all of the time that those theaters are suffering other forms of entertainment are are gaining right other. Forms of entertainment are becoming more and more an option, a nice substitute for folks whatever that may be You know all the way down to new ways of of catching movies, and so we're seeing we're seeing distributors figuring out new ways to get movies out there. We're seeing consumers figuring out new ways to actually watch movies and all of a sudden. A year from now and I mentioned this on on twitter earlier today all of a sudden you really have to be of that good enough risk in that like hey, you know what? It's not the movie theater but I'm sitting at home. I'm eating the pizza I'm watching a new movie that that's good enough for me and I'm okay with that I don't need to get my car go to a movie theater in. So all the more time that passes I think the more difficult it becomes for these theaters to really. Get back to where they once were in. Under. Unfortunately it feels like you know we're we're going to be dealing with this certainly for the rest of this year I mean granted only a couple of months left really few months left but I mean, you know going into twenty twenty one. I mean what does this look like when April or May comes around I don't know we don't know enough yet. But but when you look at central world itself I mean it's really silly United States seventy, five percent of their revenue comes from here. So what's going on here really matters to this business and right now it's just not looking good. Yeah and one of the thoughts I had when I was reading through this stuff this morning was. member. When Warren Buffett bought the Omaha World Herald. There was just sort of this sense. Like. For someone who is so rational in his investing it kind of seemed like he let nostalgia. Get the better of him and you know what he can do, whatever he wants his money although he did sell it. Earlier this year. But. It reminded me of that and I just thought I think there is a possibility where. Some, very wealthy person at some point in the next year or two just maybe not to by. AMC Holdings whole cloth but I wouldn't surprise me if someone was just like not now I love movies and I want this to survive and if it's if it's break, even that's all I care about but but other than other than. Sort of a very rich angel coming in given everything you just laid out with the business I mean. I like how you put it I mean. It's not just a demand. It's not just a supply and demand problem while I mean, Hey, listen apparently Jeffrey Katzenberg get some pretty deep pockets. I mean Chris are you thinking what I'm thinking Quigley theaters let me just rolls right off the tongue doesn't it qube theaters? Hey, it's a possibility. Anything. Positive. Our email address is market fauria full dot com. We got a note from colony in Arizona. Writes I'm twenty five years old and since I was nineteen I've invested between three hundred and five hundred dollars a month and a low cost index fund. Let me just stop right there and say. That's fantastic. Light's like we'll get to Collins question a second but Colin Way to go absolutely man way to go. He continues however I've recently found a new lower cost and higher yielding index fund that I would like to move the invested capital into. Would you suggest selling the existing? Position for cash and then moving the capital into the new fund. In one by order or is a losing the benefit of dollar cost averaging periodic monthly investments something to consider when rebalancing portfolios. Appreciate your help very much with this question as I am sure this situation will pop up many more times in my future. Jason I feel like Colin answered his own question with that last line. Because I, think I'm gonNA keep doing this. So anyway, I I have my starts but what are yours? Yeah I mean I just like you said, I mean from from nineteen to twenty five that kind of behavior I mean that's just that just congratulations I informs that's just amazing. It's awesome from so many so many different angles and and I think. Without knowing the fund that you're considering without knowing your gains that you're looking at because I'm assuming you know over six years or so you definitely you're sitting on some some pretty nice gains there. I. So I I always default. Might my default is to avoid selling if I don't have to that I try to figure out okay. What do I need to sell if I don't need to sell anything then I typically know not going to sell it unless the businesses. been impaired, the thesis changed or. I just feel like there's a better place for that money. But it's it sounds like in this case that. The three the three of five, hundred dollars per month if that can continue, I think my first move would just be to to start diverting money into the new fund and say Okay you've got this one fund that you've been investing in over the last six years. Now, let's start diversifying a little bit and putting some money into another fund in keep the. Ball rolling because there's no doubt you're witnessing some compounding gains that that exists there over over the course of that time in I you know you you always want to be aware of that and furthermore depending on what kind of account is held and if it is a if it is a non tax friendly account, then you will have a tax bill to consider. Most likely if you do sell. I think my first move would be to try to figure out do I need to sell if I don't need to sell Then then maybe don't or maybe take it slowly or you know maybe divert some of that money away and and then put it in the new fund well, and just back of the envelope math without factoring in any gains over the last six years. Imagine the prospect of your twenty-five. Let's just say conservatively, you've got twenty, five thousand dollars a low cost index fund. And then you just decide. See in thirty years. I'm GONNA leave this thing I'm GonNa go start investing in other ways in other funds and we look we work with people who Like to invest in multiple indices, put a little in queue to put you know have that s and p five hundred. Low Cost Fund as Your Base So yeah, I. Sort of had the same thought like I I really try to avoid selling unless I really need to and I don't know it doesn't sound like he needs to maybe. It doesn't sound like that these thesis here's busted by any means it sounds like it sounds like found a fund that has lower cost and what you say higher yielding. If you unload everything and move it into that new fun. There's always you always run the risk of well maybe that fund ends up not working out as well as you think it might I mean we are very fallible as investors we make lots of mistakes and we have to admit that and understand that. So rather than. That age I know it. You want. You want to do something right? You feel like you buy sell do something. A lot of the best investing is just by doing nothing. It's literally just putting that money to work in getting on with life and so in a lot of cases I've seen that workout out really well. I if I could. Avoid selling I would caveat there is that if you feel like the money in this fund currently, if you feel like this investment thesis changed if there's if there's something that has changed it, that makes you not want to be invested in that fun anymore and that's something to consider as well. I mean it it's there are a lot of considerations but I go back to my default is that don't celebrate don't aft-. Moser thanks for being here. As always people on the program interest, the stocks they talked about in the mountains have formal recommendations for or against. Buying stocks. It's going to do it for this edition of market flurry show he's mix by Dan Board. On Chris Health extra listening. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Internal V.A. memo shows some workers get only two masks per month

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

46:12 min | 6 months ago

Internal V.A. memo shows some workers get only two masks per month

"The show weeknights at nine on. Msnbc happy to have you with US tonight. I would like to start tonight by introducing you to someone. This is Hannah Blakely. She is a nurse in Avon Indian. Hi My name is blakely. And I'm a nurse. I you health West Hospital and I work on a MED SURGE. Floor that is currently all of it I think one of the biggest things for me in the mornings is the car ride over to the hospital every inch. I get closer things. -IETY has gotten bigger And the anxiety is mostly just from. Is this the day that I bring kkob at home to my husband? Is this day that I walk it. And my patient is on hospice and Their family won't be there with them during transition is this day. That is endeavour. My mice stick you know. Am I GONNA lose it? Is My coworker. Goal is at district member to stay home. We're fighting for you on the front lines and the biggest thing you can do stay home. Wash your hands. Make sure that you don't end up in my hospital. Sure that you don't end up in my hospital. I feel like we're in this moment in terms of media coverage of this crisis where you'd think that everyone off the coasts is not only fine They're all champing at the bit to to wind down efforts to combat the crow virus and to keep people from getting sick. I feel like if you just look at American meteorite. Now you might have that impression. The polling of the American public doesn't suggest that that's what people believe at all even if that's how the media is portraying it Americans by huge portions. Recognize that what we're doing right now to slow down. The spread of the virus is necessary and prefer that we don't dump those policies too soon and thereby endanger ourselves and put ourselves in even worse shape than we are now. But don't take it from the polling. Don't take it from me. Frontline health workers across the country are telling this story very very well themselves about this not being something that is just on the coasts and this being something that we need to take seriously whether it's the nurses and health workers in their masks standing silently in front of the fringe. Traveling trump rally. We don't believe in Corona virus protesters that we've seen in a few states or whether it's them taking time in the middle of this crisis in the middle of their workdays to just tell us what it is that they are dealing with. Hi My name. Is Megan Dancy an rn here at Saint Luke's in Chesterfield Missouri? Just finished a twelve hour day shift on division ninety seven hundred. It's one of the medsearch divisions here at Saint Luke's And for about three weeks we've been designated cove at unit Along with the entire ninth floor here at Saint. Luke's I've been in eleven years and I have to say this is something that I never seen before These patients are very sick. They deteriorate quickly the first shift I had after we were completely designated covert floor. I transferred three of my four patients to the ICU. To be intimated. These patients were young About my parents age so that weighed on me personally They were alone. You know family and friends are. We have no visitors here right now. These patients are alone and addressing us to take care of their families are trusting us and it's scary that I have a four year old a six year old and a husband at home. That's one of my biggest fears. I drove home that night that first night and I just cried because they couldn't really couldn't Fathom the thought of bringing cove at home and exposing my family to that that would be something that if something if it had an ill outcome like I. I don't know that I could bear that. That's but that's just the reality of where we're at right now. We are here in the middle of the country. So we've been able to. Kinda take some ideas in kind of you know. Have a little bit of an idea of what we're going to experience because seen on the coast before it came here but I'm telling you I couldn't fully understand or or even I couldn't I wasn't prepared for what we saw. What we're seeing. It's definitely something new something we have never seen before. Just one thing to see it. Hit first on the coasts. Like she's saying there but what that's supposed to do is buy you time to prepare and be seeing hit somewhere else doesn't necessarily prepare you. Even healthcare worker for the magnitude of what is coming when it comes. That's a an RN. in Missouri. Today also want to show you this which I really think you should see. This is from a trauma nurse. Who was working with Colonel Virus patients at Stony Brook University Hospital which is on Long Island outside of New York City. Often do politicians speak on. Tv REPORTER SPEAK ON TV have a TV on listening to some sort of news in all I keep hearing is that the. The curve is flattening curves flattening flattening. You know it's working. Stay at home. Stayed home so demi true but all the ICU's are still full their full. The sickest people are still there. Some people are getting excavated but the truth is that there are still people on the floors who need to be intimated and come to us so. I mean we may have a better to available. But it's not like we're emptying out if you know if we choose to open too soon we're going to be at capacity we've already used our reserves. There's like nothing left. We are maxed out. We have these wonderful nurses from Syracuse. Helping us out where we are. And who wasn't for them we'd all be dead like. I had a crazy day today. We were super busy. I just I just can't imagine what people are thinking the ICU's full we really can't open began. Open this country. We can't open the tri-state area that's for sure. None of us in the downstate area of New York even handle anything more. There's no way we're full. If you WanNa live you stay home my God. Don't open up. This country needs to be closed until at least two please please what she talks about the tri-state area. She means a New York New Jersey and Connecticut. Which as of today those three states alone had more than twenty thousand deaths from Corona Virus. Just between them three states account for more than twenty thousand deaths out of forty four thousand plus deaths that we've had in the country at large and that is a tragedy for the tri-state area. It tells you something about how beleaguered health officials sorry. Health workers and health. Resources are in the tri-state area. It tells you something about why. It's also an opportunity for the rest of the country to watch that and learn from it to use that time of those places going first before it starts to scale up and the rest of the country that because the tri-state or because New York first and then the tri-state area went i. It has been doctors and nurses working in the Tri State area. That had been making so many of these first person recordings about what they are going through them. What they're seeing right. You see doctors nurses in the middle of the country saying hey. Don't underestimate this. This is here. You won't believe what we're seeing you see doctors and nurses in the tri-state area where they have been absolutely over. Topped saying you need to prepare for how you're going to cope here. They've been trying to let the rest of the country. No To not underestimate this thing and it's interesting we've been watching these frontline reports day after day after day if they come and particularly this week what we're starting to see from people who work in hospitals in the hardest hit areas is that they're they're trying to let people know first of all patients are incredibly sick and they're incredibly hard to bring back from the brink but also we're seeing a lot more young people than you might expect so do not feel immune if you're not sixty or seventy or eighty years old emergencies of both sides of the units from one version to another interesting. The offices are the young history. Unlike the common knowledge that it's only affects patients with a lot of videos that they're not to be not really what we're observing and we have a lot of young patients decision the here pregnant patients who is Fortunately Virgil being into big frank. Surprised by it was a difficult day because we lost two young patients who are under the age of fifty the matter how many times we lose lives in the hospital especially during this Kobe nineteen crisis will navigate us to the loss of young lives. We ended up getting a patient around that I mean she was basically dying. She's very unstable. We were to worry over stairs because Sorry we were afraid. Should die in the hallway so Mount Sinai. I has them so that they can bring in our IPADS around They get the family on the phone to make her phone. Call to devise a resume. Because we're not having visitors right now stating because I've never had anything like that ever so it's pretty tough in that sense like I've just never seen anything like that ever not having someone other side while they're sitting there dying just watching their you know blood pressure. Dropped slowly in their oxygen levels drought slowly. You know it was pressure or the volume is now but they're coming in sicker so when they come in they can be to the extreme where they have no pulse already or they're coming in Breathing really fast and HYPOC sick with a very low oxygen level Cold and blue. Some of them And this is the seems to be the course of Kobe. Nineteen come in and they need a lot of work still want to work and I want us. It's even more stressful. When the young patients come in and they don't end up making it takes emotional toll on everyone makes us realize that everyone can be affected. Actually kind of scares me a little bit because if I get it. There's really no telling if I'm going to be a mild case series case. The sobering thing is that these patients sometimes aren't are the younger patients. The ones that you don't expect to come in Affected this severely by Cobra Nineteen In those cases are especially emotionally taxing Because they were previously healthy and had a family and all. Sunday happens in everything. Changes in a blink of an eye doctor. Matthew by WHO's an ER physician Mount Sinai Hospital in Queens again and again from these frontline providers particularly in the areas that have been hardest hit so far they are saying take the super seriously people are super sick by the time they get to us and do not feel immune if you are not an older person. We are seeing lots of people including younger people without coma co Morbidity you see health workers all over the country saying please take this more seriously than you are. The workers that are in the areas that have been hardest. Hit are broadcasting that not only to us the public across the country but to their fellow health workers in other places in the country. That haven't been hit that hard yet. Telling them what's coming last doctor as I said at Mount Sinai in Queens Queens and the Bronx both neighborhoods in New York City. They're both part of the Fourteenth Congressional district in New York and the Fourteenth Congressional district in New York is represented by the very high profile freshman congresswoman Alexandria Akhazia. Cortez it is a fair estimate that her congressional district may be the hardest hit district in the whole country at least for nail congresswoman Ocasio. Cortez is GONNA join us. Live in just a moment tonight. One of the things that she has been advocating for from the federal government is more direct support for nursing homes including hard hit nursing homes in her district. New York state started releasing data a few days ago about the worst hit nursing homes in the state That list included the king's harbour multi care center in the Bronx which is in Alexandria Cossio Cortez's district The state says that forty five Americans have died from Corona virus at that long term care facility already forty five deaths. The congresswoman's district is also home to these two nursing homes where twelve Americans have died at the home on the left in the Bronx. And we're fifteen. Americans have died at the one on the right in Queens. So we're gonNA talk with kamikaze. Cortez about what it means right now to be representing such a hard hard hard hit district and what the federal government what. Congress is trying to do in terms of its newest release. Bill should also mention the congresswoman also has rikers island in her district. A huge New York City jail where nearly ten percent of the roughly four thousand prisoners held. There have already tested positive. That alone is a standalone crisis in the crisis that is New York City but we are seeing some of the largest outbreaks all across the country. Turn up in jails and in prisons including the largest outbreak known anywhere in the country which is right now at the Marion Correctional Institution in Ohio at that one state prison in Ohio. They've got one thousand nine hundred fifty confirmed cases among prisoners that seventy eight percent of the prisoners in facility have corona virus last night. We also mentioned a huge outbreak in Arkansas notably. Arkansas there is no stay at home order. Thanks to Republican Governor Asa Hutchinson Governor Hutchinson today announced more new cases at Cummins prison in rural Lincoln. County Arkansas. The new cases he announced today bringing the total to eight hundred and fifteen known positive cases in that one prison with more test results. Still to come in there. Still Somehow this kind of news which we're seeing escalating day after day. Now all across the country nowhere is safe somehow. This kind of news translates in national politics into president trump closing down immigration for sixty days since that will surely protect America from Corona virus. I don't mean to oversimplify here but it's not like we're getting it from other places at this point right I mean. America is the largest corona virus disaster in the world by a million miles. These are the top five largest outbreaks on earth. Number five is is Germany with just under a hundred and fifty thousand cases as of today Number four is France just under one hundred sixty thousand cases number. Three's Italy number to Spain with just over two hundred thousand cases and then there's US USA USA biggest outbreak in the world with over eight hundred thousand cases. Now we have more corona virus cases than all of the other top five countries combined according to the covert tracking project are single day. Death toll hit a new record high today in the United States in the past twenty four hours. Two thousand six hundred seventy four Americans are reported to have died from Corona Virus. Which means we're losing one. American every thirty two seconds to this virus as of today but sure stop immigration into the United States. That will surely cure what ails us they. Surely it's foreigners not us who have this problem if I mean if you WanNa see the dynamic that's actually at work in the biggest corona virus disaster on earth right now which is our country This this is from a group. Topa of which we've talked about in terms of their data visualization over the past. Couple of weeks. This shows how corona virus has spread completely across the country. This is cases per capita by county day after day. This is this is what's happening with the American Corona virus outbreak but sure stop immigration from other countries that that sounds great to the president the front page of the Omaha World Herald today in Nebraska. Where Republican governor? Pete Ricketts says. There's no need for a stay at home order. Everything's fine of the front page of the biggest paper in Omaha. Today is a main story. About how all the meat packing plants in. Nebraska are becoming corona virus clusters one after the other the western reserve meat processing plant in Hastings Nebraska. The Costco Chicken plant in Fremont Nebraska. The J. B. S. beef plant in Grand Island Nebraska with a local mayor has pleaded for a stay at home order in the local hospital is maxing out at Smithfield pork plant in Crete Nebraska. Tyson plant in Dakota City Nebraska. Another Tyson plant in Lexington Nebraska locals. They're telling the World Herald that even workers who are testing positive at the plants aren't able to get their own family members tested for the virus even when they themselves have tested positive and they've been living with their families when they come home from work every day but yeah no stay at home order in Nebraska because everything will be fine surely that little problem. They've got an all the meat. Packing plants will stay right there inside the meat packing plants. Nothing a little deep cleaning. Can't fix shirt will be fine last night. We reported on a big shopping mall outside Omaha. Nebraska happens to run by a major donor to Nebraska governor. Pete Ricketts that mall has reported last night had announced that it was going to reopen it stores. This week we're reopening America reopening the economy. Drive on out. We're right on interstate. Eighty come shopping at a mall in Nebraska. Come hell or high water. Why not today? That mall announced that. Maybe they're not GONNA do that. They are walking back their plan to open up this week. In South Dakota where more than seven hundred sixty employees from one pork processing plant in Sioux falls now confirmed to have corona virus? The Governor of South Dakota says she's not even planning to try to get testing for the other people who work at that same plant seven hundred sixty plus cases among people who work at that plant not to mention all of the dozens of cases that have been found among their family members already. But they're not planning on testing the other people who work at the plant and they're still no stay at home order in South Dakota because everything's fine state is planning on holding a big car racing event with a big live audience just outside Sioux City on Saturday night with WHO. I think they'll have like seven hundred people in the stands for that. The governor keeps insisting everything's fine that doesn't need to be any sort of statewide order in South Dakota. So see you at the races. See Their governor. South Dakota Governor Gnome. Said today that that people shouldn't go to that car racing event. Saturday night outside Sioux Falls. As far as she's concerned she thinks that is a great idea but she's not actually doing anything to stop it because she doesn't want to and they are as. I said expecting a huge crowd in Georgia. The Georgia governor's plans to rip the lid off reopen everything including tattoo parlors and massage parlors and nail salons and dine in restaurants as of that plan from. Georgia. Republican governor. Brian KEMP turns out. I is a plan. The governor announced without consulting the rest of his supposed State Corona Virus Task Force. He also apparently didn't even run it by the largest cities in his state. The mayors of which were totally blindsided by this order from governor camp now the mayor of Atlanta is left asking Atlanta residents to please ignore. The governor's doing please ignore the governor. Saying all these businesses should be open. Please just pretend he's not doing that. The leadership shown in this country by elected officials in Washington and in the states. That are pretending. This isn't really happening or it's not a big deal. That's what's given so far. The runaway largest corona virus epidemic on earth and more than forty four thousand Americans. Dead More than twenty six hundred. Americans dying just in the past day and for the US depth numbers being so unimaginably high right. Now you cannot put the blame on New York New York Steph. Numbers are finally coming down. The Spike in American deaths today is what it looks like when we see the rest of the country's death numbers coming up now and Americans are dying fastest in the nursing homes and they're getting infected the fastest. It appears in the prisons and jails and enlarge workplaces in states with lax responses and lax protections. New York went into the deep water. I New York and then the Tristate area their doctors and nurses they're politicians even have been trying to warn the rest of the country about what was coming now here it is congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez representing the worst hit congressional district in the whole country joins us live next. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with computational biologist Carl Bergstrom but what we do and don't know about the corona virus once these things get out there and this is sort of a key aspect of misinformation and disinformation is the ones that are out there. They really take off in spread. So Jonathan Swift said several hundred years ago that falsehood flies and truth comes limping after. And that's what happens on the Internet. Of course there is a more recent version of this which is known as Brandolini Book Day symmetry principle and it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up. Bowl is an order of magnitude larger than the amount of work it takes to create it so we definitely see that sort of thing happening with all kinds of conspiracy theories including this one around the virus that this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America in our latest episode. We go to Nashville Seattle and all over the Internet to see just how creative some people are getting to keep them easy going. What happens when gigs are cancelled? Clubs are closed and school concerts are called off when people listen to music. They're feeling the emotions and the closeness of somebody else even if they can't be in the same space as them grown viruses keeping US home. But as you'll hear it can't stop the music. The importance of music is to keep our spirits up in this situation and in my opinion as as well make the best of it. Subscribe for Free. Wherever you get your podcast even my district in in in New York City and in our community. We've had more deaths than nine eleven. Multiple Times of nine. Eleven have happened in the time since Congress has recessed so. I'm not here with the luxury of time. I need legislation that is going to save people's lives and the fact that Republicans do not want to have recurring payments the fact that Republicans don't want find states and cities the fact that Republicans don't want guaranteed people's healthcare is unacceptable to me joining us. Now live is congressman Alexandria. Cossio Cortez of the Great State of New Yorker district includes portions of the Bronx and Queens of all congressional districts in the country. Hers appears to be the hardest hit so far in terms of the impact of this virus. Congresswoman I know you have a lot on your plate. Thank you so much for making time to be here with US tonight. Thank you for having me. I can tell from looking at the hospitals in your district and and right on the border of your district. The hard hit nursing homes in your district can tell from looking at the overall borough by borough numbers in New York City. How badly your constituents are suffering right now and how many of them have been killed by this virus but can you just tell us more about that in terms of what your what your constituents are telling you what they're asking from you. I mean their requests are absolutely reflecting. How dire the situation is getting. And they're also reflecting the lack of adequate federal response to three weeks ago. People were concerned about unemployment. They were concerned about stimulus checks but now that rent payments have gone out now that we have another payment around the corner on. May First People are now asking about food assistance. People are now scared to leave their homes. There are people that are scared to answer the door. When food does come because we're getting reports of continued ice activity throughout this pandemic. And so what we're really starting to see is people going from. I don't know how to pay my rent to. I don't know how I'm going to eat next month. Because forty three percent of Americans right now have either had their incomes dramatically reduced or completely ended overall and this this crisis that aspect of crisis of this crisis is a choice and it is a choice that Republicans are affirmatively making right now by denying people the recurring payments and the amount of aid that people need and when it comes to the health impacts that we have right now. We still need P. P. E. You know hospitals thankfully we're starting to get to the levels that are necessary but we still have home health. Aides we still have nursing home workers. We have plenty of people who provide health assistance. That aren't necessarily in hospital or a clinic but are going into the homes of vulnerable vulnerable people and the elderly that do not feel like they have the support or the assistance that they need right. Now I hear you in terms of the home health aides and people who are working like health assistance paraprofessional roles. That's absolutely key. In terms of those folks. Not being protected we are also seeing in nursing homes and long term CARE FACILITIES. These incredible numbers. I know you've had dire circumstances in some in terms of the death rates with some nursing homes in your district and that's one of the things that you have advocated for there to be more of a federal response on. What do you WanNa see the federal government do when it comes to those congregate care facilities? Long Term Care Nursing homes. What do you think they should be doing? We need to really get in the weeds and start digging into reimbursement and Medicare reimbursement medicaid reimbursement to make sure that people are able to access all of the CARE. That is necessary And so that those facilities can provide as much of the care as necessary for everybody in need right now cova patients and NONCOVIC patients. That are these facilities you know early on. I was even hearing and seeing on the way that these reimbursement rules are drafted. Even folks who are who are able to offer a telemedicine early on in this still had to physically show up in a clinic in order to to provide telemedicine because the reimbursement for those services is was only eligible if the person showed up to the clinic even though they would be able to do the same work from home so a lot of this has to do with how the federal government reimburses some of this work. A lot of it also just has to do with some of the other the other factors that we have to contend with right now we have a broken healthcare system that is very disjointed that nickel and dimes people and we're in the midst of a pandemic where someone could come in with a pneumonia but because they didn't have the ability to access a cova tasks they have to jump through certain hoops. Whether it's through paid sick leave or whether it's through you know what kind of healthcare you can get. It's very difficult for people to make sure that they get the whole person. Care that they need because our our current rules are putting up a lot of red tape so we need to do. Is Dramatically expand medicare so that it covers people's healthcare costs and so that it covers the costs of the uninsured. Pramilla Java has a fantastic bill. that that covers that but we also need to make sure that we're caring for people's economic economic situation and these aren't unrelated because when people are able to safely feel like they will be able to pay next month's rent vindaloo will stay inside but if people are scared that they are going to be affected foreclosed on or have any other sort of life altering economic event they are starting to go outside and trying to expose and trying to find work and exposing themselves to unnecessary risk because they are frightened about the instability of their economic situation. Now there is going to be a bill. That's expected to be voted on the day after tomorrow and I know that you've been critical very outspoken. About the fact that it ought to that we ought to be talking about things like recurring payments to people not just individual sort of stimulus style checks. You've talked about the kinds of reforms that you want to see as well and I am quite sure that that bill does not meet what you think it ought to meets in terms of the immediate needs of American public right now on your constituents but Do you plan on on voting for it do you have? Do you know if it's if it's going to be better than nothing at this point in terms of whether it's going to earn your vote. Yes well you know. We're we're just. The final text was not ready for the majority of this week. We're hearing that. It's know it just rolled out from the Senate and we're starting to pour over it but you know I think what we really need to realize. Is that this small bill while something may be better than nothing. Eight is happening in the context of Congress. Having gone on recess for a month we are going to pass a small potatoes. Bill and then we are talking about reassessing again until May fourth and if we are going to bring every member or call back almost every member who ran back to DC to pass a small incremental bill and with the knowledge that we are not coming back until next month again. That's two red checks and the last time we laughed again. We lost over one. Nine eleven's worth of people due to this lack of of and of action and so we really need to acknowledge that this small bill watts against something is better than nothing and frankly. Democrats fought very very hard to get basic things like testing Republicans didn't want to fund hospitals. They didn't want to fund mass testing. Which is what is actually going to allow us to reopen the economy so I appreciate the the strikes that they made in that but ultimately in voting on the text of this bill. Knowing that Congress's we are abdicated responsibility. We haven't legislated for a month and thousands of people are dying. Thousands of people are dying every day. And we are going and we're talking about coming back and every time we pass one of these bills were hearing that the real solution is coming in the next bill and then the next bill and the next bill and at some point we have to raise our hands and say. When is the solution coming because two months of rent are going to pass by before? We're actually even entertaining a real bill and people. We're talking about on mass but we're trying to scope of mass displacement in the United States of America. We are also talking about major cities New York City Los Angeles Chicago laying off almost every city worker or large thousands of city workers and essentially only keeping certain personnel. We're talking about lane loss. First responders and police officers because we aren't getting sate state and municipal funding. So I appreciate when in Congress. We say we're going to get to it but we need to get to it in time. And that is ultimately the issue that we have. And so I'm I'm reading taxed but we cannot just throw our hands and say that this is someone else's problem or that we're going to get to it eventually because if we pass relief bill next year we're going to be paying for more. And if we pass relief bill now we will be paying for prevention. And that's the difference congresswoman. Alexandria COSSIO CORTEZ OF NEW YORK. Incredibly hard hit district. I know you have ton on your play. Thank you for making time to be here with US tonight. And in terms of what's going on in your district and what you what you think. The country needs to know. Come back anytime. We'd love to have you anytime that you want to be here. Of course thank you so much all right. Thank you all right coming up next. We've got a bit of a scoop despite very very happy. Talk from an important government agency. We've got a hold of some internal documents that shows how a very dire situation has been papered over by the trump administration will show you the receipts next our nurses protesting outside the Atlanta. Va Medical Center a few days ago over having to work despite a lack of protective gear to keep themselves from getting infected. Va Medical Center workers around. The country have been saying that they're being ordered to ration and recycle like masks which is putting them at greater risk for getting corona virus on the job. You can see the sign. This one woman is holding. It says say no to one mask per week sounds dire right one mask per week practically no medical system in the US House. What needs in terms of protective equipment for weeks? We've been hearing about particularly dire shortages in the country's Va's facilities and that's particularly worrying because Vdi facilities that responsible for the care of more than nine million American veterans a majority of whom are older and therefore at increased risk when it comes to corona virus for most of the time that we've been seeing these reports the VA's leadership has been insisting that all is well and people are complaining for no reason because the VA and all its workers have everything. They need When the Wall Street Journal for example reported on internal documents showing that facilities really had begun rationing P P A. VA spokesperson said in response. Quote the premise of your question is false all employees who need to have it that may be the line from the Va. But I can also prove to you that that is absolutely not the situation on the ground. We recently obtained an email that was sent to employees at the Medical Center in Charleston South Carolina. And it has to do specifically with the facemask policy in effect at that facility. According to the memo via workers are separated into two groups the first is priority group one those at high risk of exposure. Here's The facemask guidance. For those priority one employees quote employees caring for covert nineteen positive patients not undergoing high risk procedures will receive five face masks as a two week supply. The patient should be encouraged to put on a face mask when someone enters their room. The employees facemask is reusable between patients employees. Those priority one employees are encouraged to store their own masks in their paper bags when they're not using them but again. Those are the lucky employees because va says they're at high risk. Eat so they each get a grand total of five facemasks that need to last them for two weeks as for priority group to Va workers who work in outpatient care or as screeners at these facilities are folks who work community based outpatient clinics. Here's the guidance for them. They'll be issued one mask per week in a paper bag at the end of the week. Store the mask and the paper bag at the beginning of the second week staff will be given a second mask. Those two masks. We'll be a four week. Supply one mass to be worn each week and each mask reused for a second week like their colleagues in the priority one high risk will the priority to employees are encouraged to keep their masks in paper bags when they're not using them so the highest risk metal medical providers is decided by the Va. They get five masks to last them two weeks the second priority group of Va employees including people working as screeners that these facilities they get to masks. That are supposed to last them. A month is one for week then the second one for the next week then go back to the first one for your Third Week. Then use them. We asked that via medical facility for comment to see if this policy is still in place They forwarded US onto the National Press Office for the Department of Veterans Affairs where that national spokesperson told us in part quote. Va is currently adhering to CDC's contingency capacity posture for us as P P practices or keeping veterans and employees safe during Challenging Times. And the numbers. Prove it a spokesperson also says quote. There is no. Va Wide Guidance. Categorizing staff by priority groups. I guess that means we know there's not standard guidance across the board for. Va workers when it comes to using facemasks just depends which part of the enormous va you work for. The sheer scale of Va makes this an enormous problem. The failure to get needed equipment in the hands of every. Va Caregiver Nail Right now. We're hearing that from. Va workers are picketing and protesting outside their work places. So people know this is what's going on but the strategy from the VA which again is a federal agency. It's part of our government. The strategy from them over and over again has been to just happy. Talk this problem and that might have worked for a while. We're not for the protests of healthcare workers themselves and we're not for one intrepid reporter in particular who has consistently exposed the extent of this problem despite the va saying there's nothing to worry about and that intrepid reporter joins US next with us. This is the first big scoop almost two weeks ago. The headline veteran's affairs hospitals facing serious shortage of protective gear internal memos show even while publicly via was saying everything was fine. One via healthcare professional told Wall Street Journal reporter. Ben Kesling quote the fear punishable when Kesling kept reporting on this as a as a line of inquiry at the Journal then just a few days ago Ben. Kesling got the. Va Secretary himself to finally acknowledge the problem quote in a better situation. Would we have more supplies available? Yes but we are competing with the rest of the country joining US House Wall Street Journal reporter. Ben Kesling has been driving the heck out of this very important story Mister Kessler. Thank you for joining US tonight. Thanks for your reporting on this issue. So far the thing that I find remarkable about this story and what you've reported is not that. Va has had a hard time putting together enough to protect all of their medical staff. That does not surprise me. Sadly I'm disappointed and worried about it but not surprised. I'm surprised about is that there's this huge disconnect between that fact on the ground and all of this happy talk that. Va has been spreading about it. Trying to say it's fine. There's no problem that's at least the impression that I've had but I wanted to ask about that lines up with your impression as you've pursued this line of inquiry it learned exactly up with With what I've been reporting and talking to doctors and nurses providers on the ground. They understand their shortages. We we all know their shortages were the the nation is facing shortage in P P for mass to gowns to facials to everything and since the VA is part of the national medical National Medical System. There of course facing shortages doctors and nurses just want that to be honestly conveyed to them and until recently the. Va was not saying that they're running shortages in fact every time I would reach outs asks for comments. That would be told that. The premise of my questions is wrong. And that and that I And that there were there were twenty year. There were no shortages. I know that a lot of your reporting has been based on internal memos that are being circulated among top level via employees. So they've got this public facing line that everything's fine. But at the highest level of the agency they're circulating memo's very concerned about rationing and the extreme things they're needing to do in order to try to spread minimal. Ppa around this huge workforce. And obviously. I'm not asking you to compromise or even characterize your your sources but is it fair for those of US reading your reporting to draw the conclusion that there are a lot of people at the VA including high level people at the va who see value in having this information out there despite the fact that it contradicts the official line from the agency. Yes in a word. Yes and The folks who are providing these providing a view into these memos. They want to make sure that this that this contradiction is pointed out that it's shown that the needs to needs to step forward and say hey we we don't have all the supplies we need. We understand that we're going to have to us we're going to use crisis level Defacto rationing equipment and we were working to get more equipment but we don't have it and doctors nurses the folks who who are seeing only part of this system seeing these memos just want that to be honest he conveyed and until recently it hasn't been conveyed and only in the past couple of days Via leadership has really stepped out and started doing started doing more a broader media appearances and talking about the fact that there is not as the secretary puts it optimal levels of P p. e. and that department's going through one hundred thirty thousand Some masks today or you're going to run up hard against shortages when you do that and that they're now coming out and saying maybe the messaging could have been better. We could have talked about this Moore. We could've we could've just told people that we were that we were in the same boat as the rest of the nation and castaing reporter for the Wall Street Journal. I will tell you your reporting is what has finally forced them to be more honest about it and we all. Oh you a debt for that. Thank you for staying on this. Thanks for your time tonight. Good luck. We'll be right back. That is going to do it for US tonight. We will see again tomorrow night.

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First Thursday, October 2019

Labor Relations Information System

48:31 min | 1 year ago

First Thursday, October 2019

"Hello folks welcomed the first Thursday the monthly podcast from the Labor Relations Information System. My name is well Aitchison. I'll be your host for the next forty five minutes or an hour or so as we cover recent developments in the public safety workplace. Usually I'll start. These bod cast by talking talking about cases may be court decisions or arbitration decisions that involve firefighters or law enforcement officers corrections officer somewhere around the country. I might even talk for a while about federal regulations or federal statutes. But today I want to begin by I discussing a new story and the news story is this constant drumbeat about recruitment and retention attention in law enforcement. And the reason that I'm prompted to talk about today is within the last few weeks we've had a huge the report released about recruitment and retention the first big nationwide study of recruitment and retention and in law enforcement. WHO released it? The Police Executive Research Forum dead. I think of PERF assets called as the big city police. He's chief think tank. That may be a little bit unfair but not grossly so and it gives you a feel for their philosophies and sometimes sometimes their mission perf well studied various issues from time to time make recommendations asked policies per for example has weighed inaugurates inaugurals afforest policies and body camera policies while perf became concerned about recruitment and retention concerned about it very seriously towards the end of two thousand and eighteen and in December of two thousand eighteen at gathered together a number of its members two hundred and fifty people and tall all told Of the two hundred and fifty two hundred thirty of them were police. Executives lives others. Were the other twenty. Were officers and deputies a per follow up on that and the topic was recruitment and retention. What purpose now published is a report of its research? It's a long one. It's seventy two pages. Long will put a link to it on on our website. And here's what perk finds first of all perk says we're in crisis That We we are in a situation where fewer people are applying to become law enforcement officers. And those who take the job aren't staying and in the ways they used to stay in careers in law enforcement perf says. This is a feature of day to day life and law enforcement horseman. Nation says all over the country law enforcement agencies large medium and small local state and federal girl police departments Deputy Sheriff's Departments State Trooper Agencies correctional facilities. PERF says says it's everywhere and Perth. Says there are ominous signs that the workforce crisis and policing is is getting worse. Why is it getting worse? It's getting worse. Really because of several reasons says Spurs and I I have a problem with one of them but Let me list them first. And then I'll tell you the one I have the Brown with PERF says first of all the traditional source of job applicants for law enforcement the military family members of current officers that's diminishing Perp also cites the economy and and strong job growth which create more options higher paying options for applicants per foll- so sites they often rigid it quasi military organizational structure of most police agencies. That's purse words. That doesn't align with the preferences of job applicants PERF sites all of those songs. The one I have a problem with by the way is e a job market and the reason. I have a problem with that. Is We've had stronger job up. Markets in the past we've had lower unemployment rates we've had higher numbers of jobs in the past where we haven't had a recruitment and retention attention crisis and law enforcement. Something else I think is going I. I'm not saying the economy doesn't contribute to it. Of course it does. It does give people options but I would Louis satis a top choice and perfect dozen list essay top choice. What's really going on out there? In the world in terms of law enforcement enforcement applicants many of them who are looking at what the job of a modern police officer is and the stresses and the criticism that are often produced by that job and those applicants are simply voting with their feet. And so we just don't want to do do that job anymore. PERF doesn't list that to me. That's kind of inexplicable. That doesn't back to Perth and what it does as Perf says look the this is a problem. That's even worse because today we're raising the bar on what we expect from law enforcement officers. There's policing has become much more. Complicated Sis. Perfect it requires officers to deal with all sorts of technologies computers body cameras hammers all those sorts of things that didn't exist before and I'm gonNA quote here. Today's police officers increasingly are being asked to deal with social problems. Such as untreated Mental Illness Substance Abuse and homelessness. So we want more from our police officers today then we have ever wanted before and perf says the result is we are in a crisis we are in a recruitment I want and retention crisis a perfect begins with study by saying law enforcement agencies are facing a triple threat threat. What's the triple threat number? One fewer people are applying to become police officers. While there's no question about that right It's it's there are some times where I have seen in the last two years. The number of applicants for an open open police possession bang lower than the number of openings. We never used to see that And you say not it just lower numbers of applicants but lower numbers of qualified applicants per points out that agencies and I'm quoting reported boarded special challenges recruiting minority female and bilingual officers and those are the types of people that at least in many a big cities those are the primary targets of recruitment and they are the ones who are most resisting being hired so number one of the triple threat. Fewer people applying to be police officers number. Two more officers are leaving their departments and in many cases leaving policing acing asa profession entirely well before retirement age. This never used to happen right if someone became a police officer the odds for so so strong that you'd look up twenty eight five years from now or thirty years from now twenty years from now depending upon your retirement statue and that person would retire as a police officer per points out that we are now. Finding a large number of voluntary resignations people pursuing careers outside law enforcement. Perfects this a significant enough that it's one of the few things Attala sized and a seventy two page report and that the majority of these voluntary resignations are currying within the first five years. That officers servers are on a force. What's a third of the triple threats? We're about SIA bubble the bubble's about to pop where the public. Oh come from If you were called way back in the nineteen nineties under the Clinton administration that was a huge push for hiring and law enforcement a lot a federal funds were made available to local agencies and police forces law enforcement agencies grew around the country those most people now have twenty five years on the job and we can assume that those people are going to quickly retire. PERF says their departures not only reduce the number of sworn personnel but also the overall level of experience in many agencies. Ince's this triple threat. Birth says occurs at a time when agencies are already short-staffed it lists list Ask The poster child hair the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department which is currently looking to fill one thousand and vacancies and PERF concludes its overall Observations by saying that between two thousand thirteen and two thousand in sixteen the number of full time officers in this country dropped by three percent and that the number of officers per or capita number of officers per citizen has dropped by ten percent since nineteen ninety seven PERF perfect then gets into the body of the report and it. It's followed by twelve conclusions. I do I do want to say just a couple of words. It's about the body of the report They the PERF is very concerned about the fact that many agencies are lowering lowering hiring hiring standards Their word is relaxing them especially with respect to prior education levels prior drug use tattoos. Listen facial hair PERF observes I think quite correctly that some of these changes may well be overdue because a societal norms with respect to do Tattoos and facial hair have changed agencies. have to adapt that But birth also correctly points out that relaxing educational final requirements and relaxing The standards for hiring about for example prior criminal records. That that's very problematic. That's not a good idea. All right what are perfect Twelve recommendations as to how law enforcement Manasian cities can adapt to this recruitment and retention problem perf twelve. I'm in a less. The twelfth Fauria and knocking are really comment on them very much. And then I'm GonNa tell you what number thirteen should've been. Maybe should have been number one and remember when you hear these what purpose all about this is a think tank for law enforcement executives with a distinct large jurisdiction this diction by us all right so what are a perfect twelve recommendations a number. One Monitor your workforce demographics ethics Purposes stay ahead of current and future changes and you need to figure out what types of staffing you need and adjust your a recruitment and retention strategies accordingly number to build trust and your communities the policing profession John has seen a period of dramatic relentless. Change per says and you need to reach out to the community and rebuild trust trust in the community because those sorts of relationships with community will produce applicants third seek recruits who are comfortable with twenty first century policing and have the skills for it. This person. We need officers who are increasingly technological and and officers who are capable of responding Really ask social workers as much as police officers number. Four more training raining may be needed. If you're workforce's overall level of experienced declines this is perfect warning that luck as that hiring hiring bubble POPs and you lose experience and your workforce in need to beef up training number five develop new strategies for recruiting recruiting officers with needed skills purpose really kind of vague on. What exactly they're talking about here? there's really only one sentence I'll read it to you. Updated methods include offering cadet programs and internships to encourage orig- interest in policing at a younger age forming partnerships with local colleges and universities and relaxing requirements regarding previous disqualifier such as tattoos and past drug. Use All right number six. Find new ways to recruit a diverse workforce workforce water the new ways perfect suggesting partnerships with religious organizations organizations of minority groups and and women's groups may help recruit diverse workforce number seven. Make sure that you're recruiting messages. Reflect the reality of police work so for example. PERF kind of repeatedly focuses on this. And it's report stop with the swap audio's those are detracting modern day Young people into policing instead what you WanNa talk about is the service Aspect of policing number eight eliminate unnecessary delays and the job application process. Make sure that you are the processing applications as fast as you can. And because per says we want technologically savvy. Police officers make sure are your web pages are up to date because you may find. Your applicants are turned off by a and I'm quoting clumsy. Illogical Michael or difficult to navigate webpage for recruitment number nine retention of officers is critically important use Hughes exit interviews to learn. Why officers leave your department number? Ten offer employees professional development the opportunities give them a chance to gain experience in other areas within an agency have like voluntary rotation policies. Set apply to a different jobs. Different assignments number eleven aim to meet employees needs for work life balance and wellness. What's PERF talking about here? They're saying agencies should consider more flexible scheduling systems and program Ram wellness into the course of the day And perfect knowledge is that in policing flexible scheduling is a little bit difficult. Because you've gotta gotTa have cops on the street at all times but they're saying that we need to have a much more open mind with respect to schedule and then number twelve be willing to rethink old ways of doing things. So in other words Become more technological the logical become more open to change and how you respond to certain situations and a law enforcement environment and that means US birth. Thank a lot more about greater. civilianisation in the workforce. So when I saw these this list of twelve things I was struck by them in a couple of ways and I way I was struck by this list of twelve. Things is by what wasn't on the list. I got a raise wages right. That's at the heart of recruitment and retention. This is a labor market problem. And the way you deal with a shrinking labor market is not to stop with the SWAT videos. It's to raise wages purpose right. The job of a modern law enforcement officers much more complex than it used to be hits more complex not just technologically which perf spends a lot of time on. It's much more complex. Because of simply the nature of the job we have now law enforcement officers around the country as our first responders for mental health crises and and drug overdoses and if if not drug overdoses in very serious drug reactions We are expecting officers to be social. Workers were expecting them to be mental mental health professionals professionals. And we're expecting them to do all this with lower staffing. Yeah yeah at. The job is more complicated located and we want more from our law enforcement officers. We need to treat them like the professionals. We expect them to be eight. And the way you treat of professional and part is you pay them well enough so that they want to do the job. It totally befuddles photos. May that PERF didn't list compensation as number one by far and its list list of its other twelve items would be kind of Nice little twists. That would help But I I was really struck. By and the second thing I was struck by was The vagueness of many of these recommendations you can see perf struggling And it struggling. Because it's not coming right out and recognizing what's at the heart of the recruitment and retention problem and that is this broad relationship between the community and law enforcement. That relationship needs to be healed and until concrete steps are taken to heal that relationship. You're going to find young women and men simply not willing welling to do this job particularly in a good labor market correct but even in a bad labor market even when we were in the heart of the great recession we saw declines in the number of applicants of law enforcement officers. So it's an interesting report. I think it's got its problems I would certainly recommend that antibody who was involved in law enforcement forcement Recruitment should be taking a look at it and taking a look at the recommendations following up with the various agencies that are listed in the report as doing things that are creative. Definitely take a look at the per for report. Hit My desk Just a couple of days after a news article about law enforcement recruitment and retention in Nebraska. And this is actually. It's it's a really good article and We will post this on our web pages. Well you'll be able to track it down and the message in this article is it's not just law enforcement it's also state employment And this by the way echoes a study. That was done about at a year ago. That shows that almost all jobs in public employment today are saying fewer applicants than and they did five years ago and ten years ago. Law Enforcement said the top of the list but Firefighters are on the list certainly corrections officers around the less. But you know even truck drivers and teachers and you name it There are less people interested in public employment today Then there were five and ten and twenty years ago and this article focuses on the fact that that is true in fact in Nebraska. The article also cites the fact that where the shortage is most dear is with respect to twenty four hour jobs shops twenty four hour job such as the Nebraska state patrol and Nebraska corrections. Not just those. There's you know twenty four. Our responsibilities at state veteran homes and youth rehabilitation centers and mental health facilities. But the article really focuses on Nebraska casse state patrol and corrections. And I was really taken by two numbers how will with the Alaska Arches met with the They figures in Nebraska. And the first is that the level of sworn officers and the BRASSICA state patrol is is at its lowest level since the nineteen nineties. And that's because of an inability to hire and secondly lie. There was this sense in there about corrections that really stunning okay. I'll just read it and add corrections which has had the hardest time filling post overtime. Expenses are at a record level and turnover. You're of security post while slightly down from a year ago is still about thirty percent. Roughly twice a what. What is ideal? Ponder that for a moment thirty percent turnover is twice what Nebraska ask corrections thinks is quote ideal sense. Wine is a fifteen percent turnover rate acceptable. `table since why are we willing to tolerate the fact and we've got a situation on our hands where corrections officers who have to sus impossibly. Possibly difficult job were corrections. Officers are losing one out of seven up their compatriots every single year. How far we have come with respect to recruitment and retention one thing on which I firmly agree with Perf we're in crisis versus mode on this okay onto cases and I want to pick up where I left off with a corrections case since I'm talking about Nebraska Corrections Amenable von over and talk about a New York corrections and this is a case? That said illustrates a principle that we don't talk about all that often and the principal is how far the law on sexual sexual harassment. Racial harassment has changed over the years. this These changes certainly started with a series of Uh three or four. US Supreme Court cases. These are you know the familiar. Five to four margin on the Supreme Court and Berlin in favor of an employer and they have the changes of just permeated through the lower federal courts. And I think we don't talk about these things out loud Because they were uncomfortable with where the law is but the loss quite clear and it is virtually impossible for an and employees today to bring a successful hostile work environment harassment claim And and here's why let me tell you. First of all about the facts of this case and then I'll get into the legal standard that leads to the result and just warning a little bit. I'm not a big one on trigger warnings but I do want to warn you that Some of the language here is going to be rough on. And it's GonNa be rough because a and I'm going to repeat it because I think you need to know the language in order to understand whether or not there is a colorful claim of harassment in this case so what's going on This is a case involving Kevin Perry who worked as a corrections officer for the Westchester County Department corrections in New York Perry was assigned to the booking unit and another of our players. Guy Named Captain Roberts Lens Bay one one of his supervisors and all of the stuff happens in July of two thousand fourteen. Perry completes a medical leave. He returns to work in the Buchan Unit and when he comes back to work. He's in the jail Doing booking operations with sleds Bay. Silence me then places. His hands on Perry shoulders and begins massaging him as Sleng speed dead cell. He said in a serious tone comes to trigger warning If I was a female I would fuck the shit out of you and I would get a strap-on bon and go for broke up your ass. Another officer who was present one officer. Matteo smiled and stated what but man says that to another man and in response to that. Perry tensed his shoulders and smirked. Perry claim that. After after this incident he suffered from all sorts of reactions substantial sleeplessness Do to nightmares of being raped by captain. Captain Sloan Speight He ended up taking medications. He's called in sick for work sought psychological treatment. Perry also claimed that the July incident made him more irritable unable to satisfy his fiancee because of his sexual dysfunction and that he had high blood pressure and anxiety. Owing to slim spy's actions Perry sues and he sues boasts lends be and the department on claiming sexual harassment And the case is heard by a federal court and the Federal Court dismisses the lawsuit saying Perry has is not stated a claim worthy of consideration by a jerry. Why here's the legal standard and the court Is Getting this legal standard correct. It is the this is the legal standard. The Supreme Court has given us. And what isn't I met her. Read read a couple of sentences here to prevail under title seven on a hostile work environment theory Terry must show that the workplace is is permeated with disciplinary intimidation ridicule and insult that has sufficient with sufficiently pervasive to alter the conditions conditions of employment. The standard has both subjective and objective components conduct complained of must be so. Oh severe that a reasonable person would find it hostile or abusive and the victim must subjectively perceive the work environment. I to be abusive. So why does Perry not state acclaim hair. And here's what the court says because there's no way a reasonable jury could find sled spy's actions and comments objectively hostile the court combats that we have to consider the social context of sleds base comments. And what does the court say. I'M GONNA go back to quota. Perry himself testified to the work environment of the Department of Corrections by stating employees joked with each other used vulgar and sexual language with each other talked about sex with each other and put their hands on each other even officer Matteo testified to both Perry and sleds be laughing. After the incidents a trier of Fact Act could not find slim spe- statements and shoulder massage to be so severely hostile particularly since such conduct conduct was common in the Department of Corrections. Slim's beef conduct is also not objectively hostile because the single incident and was neither agree GIS north frequent slain spe only massaged. Perry's shoulders wants. Wow think about that for a moment. Let's consider the courts social context comments and by the way I'm not blaming in this corridor saying the judge got the case wrong. I mean this is what the law is today. I'm just telling you what the law is. What a social context me? It means that if there's enough harassment in the workplace that you can't complain of similar levels of harassment if there's enough people who are making taking sexually laden comments or giving each other massages without being asked to give each to receive a massage Putting hands on people up enough of that goes on. It's okay at least as far as title. Seven is concerned. That's that's pretty pretty amazing right. And even this instance where you have a a laying on of hands if you will coupled with some some pretty aggressive sexually laden comments. That's not enough to be objectively hostile. We the court doesn't get it into the issue of whether or not a Perry overreacted. Whether all they symptoms that he's reciting sleeplessness sexual dysfunction and blood pressurall latte whether or not they're related to this incident core doesn't ever get there doesn't get there because it said what slim's be did did not violate light title seven and that's where the law is today now. Does this mean that slim spy's conduct would not subject him to discipline. Now doesn't Semaine that at all simply because conduct doesn't violate title seven doesn't mean it's not punishable through the disciplinary process. The employer employer could easily have more stringent standards with respect to the behavior and the comments that slams be exhibited Eh. Here that could subject him to discipline. There's absolutely nothing inconsistent. What title seven? Four that all this means is that Someone who is the recipient of this sort of behaviour doesn't have a lawsuit under title seven of the Civil Rights. Act just a caution in here to employer so I'll bet you dust off your sexual and racial harassment. Policies Year going to find that they a directly quote from title seven or reference title seven just a reminder to you as the law changes as to what tidal title seven means and what sexual harassment is. What a hostile work environment is if you've simply referenced title seven or use the words of title? It'll seven in your rules. You're stuck with whatever those changes are and under those circumstances you might not even be able to discipline slums Bay So this is a reminder that you really want to take a look at those rules and make sure that the policies and those rules are the policies that you want to half half next. Stop a just a brief discussion. I'M GONNA get lawyer you on you on this one and talk to you about an odd odd procedure in the courts It's in the federal courts and it's in most if not all state courts known as remitted her all right so what does it mean. And what's this case all about. Well this case is about a Pennsylvania. State Police Sergeant Guy named David Whole He filed a lawsuit against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and for the supervisors any alleged multiple instances dunces of race discrimination. He brought these claims under title Savannah. The Civil Rights Act the Pennsylvania Human Relations Act The Equal Oh protection clause of the Federal Constitution and also the First Amendment Free speech clause. The court doesn't get into many facts about how he has. Potential First Amendment case air kind of curious and Raider jury hears case comes back with a verdict but the jury's verdict is a little bit flawed because it is a what's known to say partial verdict. They didn't answer all of the questions that were extend the case. So you have a second trial Holt wins on several of his claims and he gets an award of one point nine million dollars from the jury. The state then a moves after the jury's verdict files a motion for what's known as judgment as a matter of law meaning Alright the jury's decided the issue but legally there's an insufficient basis for the jury's decision and the Judge Raj Actually Grants Zeh motion for judgment as a matter of law on all but one of the claims so so there's one claim left and we don't know exactly what the claim is and then The state files a motion for a ring editor. What is a reminder and editor is where a judge judge says to the plaintiff in the case and the judge awarded a remit editor here The judge says to a successful plight of and the case Holt here who's has got one point nine million dollars. He thinks the judge says I think that verdict is excessive or wrong or or for whatever reason and you play you gotTa Choice. You can either take X.. Whatever the amount of money is that his ex or I'll give you another trial and X.? In this case says the judge is fifty thousand dollars so instead of one point nine million you'll get fifty thousand dollars or you can take a new trial. Halt takes neutral goes to a different jury. The jury gave him twenty seven hundred dollars. So we're now down from one point nine million to twenty seven hundred dollars and Hold Appeals and goes up to the Federal Third Circuit Court of Appeals which polls what happened. And here's what the court it says. A two sentences I think are key. In the court's opinion a jury verdict may be overturned on the basis. That it is against the weight of evidence. It's only when the record shows that the jury's verdict resulted in a miscarriage of justice Cries out to be overturned or shocks the conscience options. While Holt is disappointed with the jury's award perhaps even personally shocked the record fails to establish there was a miscarriage of justice us nor does it cry out for the verdict to be overturned and the court cites the fact that the jury is in the best position to assess nice things like holds mental anguish pain and suffering. They got to hear him. Testify whatever's monetary loss was on the court says there were facts on both sides of all those issues rushes of the jury could indeed and up West twenty seven hundred dollars as the right amount. So here we have through the editor that is sandwiched in the middle. We have a one point. Nine million dollar verdict that is eventually reduced. Use to twenty seven hundred dollars and This is a common feature in federal court jury. Trial Seal will see Jerry very comeback with award and usually the employer is going to file a motion for a reminder court sometimes. Give them sometimes. Don't get them but I'll tell you what if if you scratch a hundred people who have nothing to do with the legal system. They'd be shocked. If the notion that such a vehicle actually exists that a court it could actually say I may have gotten too much money here. Here's your choice new trial or this lesser amount. Whatever it may be? And that's what happened to David. Holt WanNA wind up this podcast talking about a major feature Brady case that just came to us out of the California Supreme Court justice. A reminder Hey Brady case or brady less today. all starts with the Spring Court's decision in the nineteen sixties and Brady versus Maryland and in Brady. The Supreme Spring Court held that prosecution of criminal case as an obligation to disclose to the defendant Information that is relevant to the case it's a discovery obligation obligation that the prosecution has in criminal cases. And it's thought to be part of debris process for the prosecution to turn that information over in in the years Sampson half-century actually since Brady was decided the role is gradually expanded by lower federal courts and state courts it's to include material. That may be in the file of a law enforcement officer. Might be an internal affairs hairstyle. Might be in the form of an entry in a personnel file. And if that information that is in the file is a potential use news for impeachment purposes most prominently if the information in the file reflects dishonesty prior dishonesty on the part of the law enforcement officers officers. These lower federal courts and and state courts have held that that is Brady material that has to be turned over to the fats. What's And when it gets turned over to the defense it's usually not usually it's always an under the auspices. They've protective order that prohibits defense firm otherwise releasing the information there some guarantees about confidentiality of the information. Well the US Supreme Court itself has never ruled whether Brady extends to law enforcement personnel and internal affairs files als but nonetheless. It's pretty well established principle as I said at the Lower Federal Court and State Court level. So what's the case about from in California. And what does it do well. California has a number of statutes that are referred to collectively asked pitches. Statutes Pitches a former sheriff in Los Angeles County and what the pitches statutes do is to establish a procedure under which someone who is a little bit and court could be a criminal. Defendant could be in a civil case. A A litigate in court can obtained confidential materials out of a law enforcement officers file. So it's it's kind have the same sort of thing as brady only. It's a very set procedure. And what a pitches statutes mandate is that emotion be filed the court consider whether or not these confidential records and make the usual range of decisions about whether the records need to be turned over. Do they need to be turned over. Do they need to be redacted What sort of protective order needs to be in place that sort of thing What goes on in this case? The Supreme Court decided and Just recently in California is a decision by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department to create its Own Brady list that and that's a list. For whom disclosures list of deputies for him disclosures would have to be made usually brady lesser created by prosecutors and so this is somewhat different and the sheriff's department decides is GonNa create its its own lists it population delighted with the names of roughly three hundred deputies out of the seven thousand eight hundred deputies working for the sheriff's department and it announces its intent to disclose that less to the prosecution to the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office The the Union that represents Deputy Sheriff's Association for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriff's lads objects to that files a lawsuit and California Court of Appeals Rules that they sheriff's department would be violating the pitches statutes by turning over this home grown brady less to the prosecution and the California Supreme Court rejects that argument but rejects said somewhat narrowly. So what is the Supreme Court saying. In this case the court says an animated reach four five sentences more than enormously. Reach you from these opinions because I think the courts words are really important here of course as we conclude that the department may provide prosecutors with the Brady alerts the list sort of notion at issue here without violating confidentiality. There can be no serious doubt that confidential personnel records may contain Brady material and officer may provide important testimony in a criminal prosecution confidential personnel. L. Records may cast doubt on that officers ferocity such records can constitute material impeachment have since because confidential records. The court says may contain Brady material. Construing the Pitches Statutes Permit Brady alerts best harmonizes harmonizes Brady and pitches Brady imposes on prosecutors on obligation to obtain favorable evidence. That's known to others acting on the government's behalf they're considered to be constructively aware of Brady material and the court says in in this context construing the Pitches Statutes to cut off the flow of information from law enforcement personnel to prosecutors would be an anathema to brady compliance. So what's the bottom line. In this court's opinion. The court is saying because the way it kind of focuses On this whole notion of Brady alerts. It is saying that in particular cases where a deputy sheriff is likely to be a witness in a case there is nothing wrong with the sheriff's department telling the prosecutor persecutor. Hey this deputy has potential brady material in his or her file so it is not not a broad scale disclosure requirement. It's not you have to turn over the list of all three hundred people it is a particularized is brady alert. In individual cases and the court is saying secondly that that can be done without the pitches motion process without the intervention of a trial court and the hearing and considerations of relevance and confidentiality. And everything like that. The court is essentially saying that whole process whether or not this gets turned over to the defense. Eventually that's part part of the Brady process. That's not necessary. We don't need to have pitches motions before a law enforcement employer can on its own identify one of its employees to the prosecutor asset employees. For whom there is potential Brady material hard-fought case And as I mentioned the Spring Court here overturns a contrary court of Appeals Opinion Since then just kind of the the local political level the sheriff who created this whole idea of brady alerts has been defeated for re election. Action a new sheriff. Who looks askance at this whole process has taken office? It'll be interesting to see where this whole issue goes in the future in Los Angeles County. Well that's it. That's first Thursday for October. Two Thousand and nineteen. They were firmly in fall weather here in Portland Oregon. The reins of started and the cool air has joined us. It's bracing it's wonderful. We actually welcome at here. We hope you join us. We had our Nextel Araya seminar. This is one on advanced beliefs discipline. that we will be holding in November in Las Vegas and also we hope you consider joining us. You'll be getting a mailing on this shortly if you're on our mailing list. We're doing our first ever wellness seminar in Spring of two thousand twenty. We're doing this in Nashville. And it's we brought together other wellness experts from Public Safety Agency. Police fire corrections From all over the country to talk about what I think of now is increasingly increasingly one of the most important problems in the public safety workplace that of employee wellness so with that This is will aitchison signing off. We'll see next month.

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Harvard Professor Accused of Lying About Ties to China

WSJ What's News

12:29 min | 9 months ago

Harvard Professor Accused of Lying About Ties to China

"What lies ahead for our planet find out on an extraordinary trip with the Wall Street Journal and National Geographic Expeditions Book now at Nat? GO EXPEDITIONS ADDITIONS DOT COM SLASH WSJ or call eight two. Oh five five six to one. The Fed hold interest rates steady. They really didn't change their post meeting statement. Very much and Said you know. The economy is pretty much continuing as it was a harvard. Harvard professor is accused of lying about receiving research money from China and what. US officials say is that this is creating a conflict of interest conflict of commitment and potentially serving as a gateway to give China Access to sensitive research and Warren Buffett tosses newspapers to the curb. It's Wednesday January twenty ninth. I'm Charlie Turner and this is what's news from the Wall Street Journal. Senators have been listening to arguments in the impeachment. The trial for days. Now they're getting the chance to ask questions. The sixteen hour session started off today with a question from three Republicans who've been on the fence about whether to side with Democrats on emotion to bring in witnesses. They've asked the president's lawyers how the Senate should view a situation where the president might have had more than one unreason to withhold aid from Ukraine last summer Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell is still working to lockdown enough support to defeat a vote on witnesses and new evidence which which is expected on Friday some. US companies are suspending business trips to China amid concerns about an outbreak of the fast spreading new strain of the corona virus and taking taking other preventative measures Ford and Kraft Heinz or barring employees from traveling to and from China J. P. Morgan is also imposing a two week work from home quarantine. Eighteen on anyone who's been there in recent weeks roach has established a similar quarantine and has including employees who've traveled to Hong Kong and Macau Apple. All is limiting travel and is also reduce store operating hours. They're the world. Health Organization said it would decide Thursday whether to declare the outbreak and international public health. Emergency Emergency Boeing posted a fourth-quarter loss of just over a billion dollars today and its first. Annual loss and more than two decades. The aerospace giant Ryan has been reeling from the grounding of seven thirty seven. Max Jet Costs from the Max crisis have now climbed above nineteen billion dollars. The Max has been grounded since last March following a pair of crashes that killed. Three hundred forty-six people Boeing also said it would further cut production of its seven. Eighty seven dreamliner next year and it incurred more charges on its military tanker in Space Taxi Programs Wall Street Journal the listeners come from all walks of life and business and no matter what type of business you're in eighty P is here to help you achieve what you're working for with. HR HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people learn more at design don ADP DOT COM as expected. Fed policymakers held short-term interest rates steady at their latest meeting and signal. They were comfortable with that stands for the foreseeable future. Joining us from Washington with with more on the Fed is Wall Street Journal reporter Kate Davidson Kate. This wasn't a surprise. Was it no. That's exactly right. I saw one analyst note that said this meeting was abnormally normal normal. It was boring. which is what Fed officials like they kept rates steady? They really didn't change their post-meeting steam it very much And and Said you know. The economy is pretty much continuing as it was so remind us were the Fed funds rate sits presently so the Fed funds rate right now is in a range of between one and a half percent and one point seven five percent An all ten members of the Fed's policy-setting committee voted to keep it. There was the unanimous decision. Did they say anything about rates going forward. Not Really. There wasn't a lot of new guidance. just signaled that they continue to think it's appropriate appropriate to keep rates where they are In German Jay Powell said in his press conference that that will help them to try and get inflation Closer to the two percents target which has alluded them for years. Now if anything they did signal that there could be risks or surprises to the outlook that would cause is them to lower rates rather than raise them Global risks like the new corona virus for example Although German Powell did say that some of the global risks had diminished and growth seems to be stabilizing abroad but there are still some uncertainties. Do mention anything else About the global economy or was was The Koran virus a hot topic for discussion it actually was a hot topic. I think he mentioned it. Three or four times which is a little bit surprising You know he did point point to some positive developments The lower odds of a hard no deal brexit Thawing trade tensions. You know we have a phase one The trade deal with China now easier financial conditions. So there are a number of of signs that he said suggests that there are reasons for cautious. Optimism was his phrase but then he quickly said uncertainties remain like the new corona virus which is huge. said it's just too early to tell how significant that will be Obviously obviously will have disruptions in China and maybe some of their neighbors that could eventually spread to the US because China is such an important player in the global economy but You know he said the. US obviously is very domestically focused so any impact would be minimal but again it's too early to know he said they're closely monitoring it but but it seems I mean the fact. He mentioned it. Several Times suggests that it is a little bit of a worry for them. Kate going back to the Fed statement. What did the statements say about the outlook for the economy were there? Ernie changes from Last month note it was virtually unchanged There's a little bit of a downgrade to the way that they described consumer spending saying that had been strong in the last statement and that was downgraded a little bit. You know fishermen Powell said business investment remained weak and The housing sector is doing okay. so they just said that they would continue to monitor that the implications of incoming information for the outlook. That's sort of the standard ender language that they always include but it was pretty much the same. The Fed has been injecting cash money markets for the past few months which some people see as a new form of economic stimulus did fair cheer pal. Say How much longer that may continue. Yes this was I think another hot topic of the meeting today of these so-called Repo market operations that the Fed has been conducting And Chair Paul said that the Fed would continue to buy a treasury bills through Through the first quarter probably in the second quarter her When it until they get to this level where they have ample reserves essentially where? There's enough enough cash in the banking system. That rates are not too volatile title Rates had spiked in September and. That's why the feds started injecting this cash but he emphasized that this whole process is just technical And as you mentioned Charlie some people look at all this money This cash going into markets. And saying this is a new form of Qe. It's a new stimulus. And and the Fed chairman reiterated. It is not that Ad. That's not what we're trying to do. We will slowly back off of these purchases. Once we feel like reserves are ample Wall Street Journal reporter Kate Davidson joining us from Washington. Thanks Kate the head of Harvard. University's Chemistry Department. Charles Labor was arrested Tuesday on charges of lying about receiving millions of dollars in Chinese funding. The case was one of three similar cases announced by federal authorities in Massachusetts choose. It's let's get some details on this from the Wall Street Journal's Arena Vishwanath who joins us from Washington I ruin what was Lieber specifically accused of doing so the allegations are that he's getting a lot of funding from the Department of Defense from the National Institutes of health. And when you do that you you need to disclose other sources of funding. You're getting to support your research in particular if they're foreign sources of funding and the allegation is that he was a member or of this Chinese government funded talent plan under which he got almost two million dollars between that end this Chinese university that was supporting him and that when the Defense Department came to Harvard to talk to him and when the National Institutes of health came to talk to Harvard he told them No. I'm not a member of this talent plan. Then I don't have any for income to report and So the charges that he lied about that funding to the government and this thousand talents plan. How does this exactly work? Starting around two thousand nine at the Chinese government created these talent plans as a way to kind of recruit back back a lot of their talented scientists that have have gone overseas and come to the US to study and The idea has been that. We'll we'll give you some amount of funding in then you spend some time et an affiliated. Chinese University conduct your research here as well. The problem has become where a lot of academics are getting this funding and the not disclosing it to their home universities in the US. Who are then intern not disclosing it to the US government government? That's also supporting some of their funding and what. US officials say is that this is creating a conflict of interest a conflict of commitment and potentially serving serving as a gateway to give China access to sensitive research which they can then patent over there and have access to in a way that they wouldn't wouldn't otherwise have and the feds Massachusetts announced. Charges against two other people. Is that right. That's right one of them was in the. US On a research visa Sponsored by Harvard working at Harvard Affiliated Hospital and the allegation is that he was taking vials of the research that he was working on the hid hid the Minnesota put him in. His luggage was traveling to China when he was stopped at At Logan International Airport and customs agents ask him. Do you have any research materials on you. And he says no I don't and then once they confront him about what's in his luggage then he admits to it and then he's arrested on smuggling this research out of the country and not an end lying about it to the customs agents. The third case involves a woman who is not in custody who is in China. Who was a researcher at Boston in university who allegedly was a lieutenant in the Chinese military and was essentially here Conducting research on behalf of the Military Terry and then performing research that they couldn't necessarily do in China like Even looking at US military websites and determining what what research projects the US military was funding here and trying to take some of that information back to China. She was accused of visa fraud Of Applying for this research visa visa and not disclosing tied to the Chinese People's Liberation Army. And she's back in China and she's not in custody Wall Street Journal reporter Karuna vishwanathan joining us from Washington. Thanks thanks a lot. Stop the presses billionaire investor and one time paper boy. Warren Buffett is getting getting out of the newspaper business his company Berkshire Hathaway is selling its papers to publisher Lee enterprises for one hundred forty million dollars. The sale is notable for two reasons reasons. Buffet is known for his love of newspapers and also for almost never selling any of his businesses but buffet has said for years that the newspaper business had declined faster than he expected. The sale includes dozens of newspapers that Lee enterprises already manages for Berkshire including the Tulsa World. In Oklahoma. The Richmond Times dispatch. Virginia can you and Mr Buffets hometown paper in Nebraska the Omaha World Herald and. That's what's news for this Wednesday afternoon if you like our show please rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Charlie Turner for the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.

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Welcome to  the dead zone

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

25:57 min | 9 months ago

Welcome to the dead zone

"A four letter word not often talked about in polite company yet oh so critical to the global economy cash cash people. I'm talking about cash from American public media. This is marketplace In Los Angeles I'm Kai result is Wednesday today. The Twenty Ninth Day Day of January has always have long everybody. You know one of the services that we provide to you. The listeners of this program is doing the heavy lifting they careful analysis analysis of this indicator or that the slogging through corporate earnings reports in search of a tidbit the putting together of two plus to make sense of the bigger picture and more often often the not that pays off and today that is an especially apt phrase because a review of corporate profit reports the best twenty four hours or so shows that companies are swimming swing in cash apple and GE and McDonald's all reported strong cash flow and quite healthy. Thank you very much cash balances so for a little bit out of expert insight. We've called Campbell Harvey. He's a professor of finance at Duke. University's Fuqua School of business professor. Welcome to the program creates beyond kind. Can we assume to paraphrase Gordon Gecko here that Cash is good. Cash is theory good right now. Given US business cycle is so long hundred Jordan twenty nine months the longest sense The eighteen fifties The probability of a slowdown or recession as high and companies WanNA hedge that and so they just keep cash on hand and and in the bank as it were yet so We recently did a survey of four hundred. CFO's and sixty sixty percent of them are strengthening their balance sheet because over half believe that a slowdown recessions. Going to start in two thousand twenty. So cash is one thing that you can do and of course Another thing you could slow down your hiring. Yeah well so let's get to that and and where this cash goes Wages specifically as we've seen wages have have started the past couple years to to increase a little bit flattening the past year or so With all this cash around Companies could in theory be paying more they could in the short term and this is really important to realize that. The reason reason that they're hoarding the cash is that when the recession occurs they don't need to slash employment to slash employment is very costly and then to hire people back is very costly. So it's better to have that cushion so that the impact on employment is minimal. Of course the wage thing thing has been going on for a very long time now right so that argument gets a little long in the tooth much as this expansion does it does. Yeah One hates to pick on Apple But since they do have two hundred and seven billion dollars in cash why do they have that much money in casual. I mean what other things could today be doing with it so Apple obviously is a complicated case and it's a huge amount of cash but any company that is sensitive to do the business cycle so some companies are not so if you're in the healthcare sector you're not as sensitive to a recession people going to get sick no matter what the economic economic situation is but companies that are sensitive. Might need that cushion. And I'm not saying that apple needs two hundred billion dollars of cash. Yeah I'm saying more. Generally that these economically sensitive firms need that cushion. So they don't need to take drastic measures that they don't WanNa Take Hake For example slashing employment. You know it's really interesting. I'm not sure that I expected when I sat down for this interview with you that It it would go from. Your cash is good but Ooh it's not great that they're stockpiling it because they're worried about a recession that's kind of interesting twist this is different In in two thousand twenty versus two thousand seven so there were surprised in two thousand and seven. They improvised the cut too many people in the end whereas this time this cash they're actively doing risk management so they're preparing for the possibility in the good thing here is if a recession does hit given given this cushion the odds are it's going to be a soft landing and I think we all want a soft landing man. There's that our word again Campbell. Harvey is a professor for finance At the Duke Fuqua School of business professor. RV thanks for your time Sir. I appreciate it thank you. It is a rare Federal Reserve Meeting Day. Indeed as today happens to be where J. Paul and the gang defend are not the lead story on this program but really. It's Kinda same same with the Fed these days. This comedy is good chair. Powell says inflation's low. We'll wait to see what the data says on the labor market. I think we've learned quite a lot of good things about the labor market. Good things suggesting that there's been more room to run. So there's that he's got his eye on the corona virus still a little worried about trade. I mean same right Wall Street though as has it always does wanted a little more love from the Central Bank. We'll have the details when we do the numbers uh-huh with the new Nafta. US MCA officially signed today. And that partial China deal from a week or two ago. Commerce trade times are perhaps taps upon us but there is still plenty of tariffing going on out there American distillers purveyors of Fine Bourbon whiskeys for instance or in Europe this week trying to get the EU to lift its twenty. Five percent tariffs on their products. As are makers of Scotch and Irish whiskies trying to get American tariffs on their goods lifted. Not on the trump administration's tariff list though English whisky and that could help that. lesser-known libation break into the American market marketplace's as European Bureau. Chief Stephen Beard Somehow drew that assignment. Andrew Nell stroke prepares to taste nip of English whisky. He wets his lips and and flares his nostrils. It doesn't have much on the nose at all and even when I take my first mouthful I don't get out much smoke but wait ten seconds. They smoke appears. It's got a good mouth feel to it for a whisky bath like Nel strap that is praise indeed and not entirely surprising after all this. This is whiskey from his own distillery when he built it in two thousand six. It was the only one in England the first since the industry died out here a hundred years ago. The distillery set some of the finest Bali growing land in the country. On top of a huge aquifers is England's largest freshwater supply crystal-clear absolutely beautiful. Even more important he says. The costs are stored in warehouses in wide open countryside. You look back that we know whether warehouses are you see the next building. It's just meadows river planes and trees as far as I can see and I think it's more about way you'll cuss us. A maturing and breathing his company is a success so much so that thirteen rival firms of now set up whisky distilleries across England Nell Strop is is keen to expand his sales overseas. He's chosen an interesting time to try to break into the American market. President trump slaps his tariffs on Scotch. Josh and Irish whiskey. That could be a bit of a boost for you. That will give you a present vantage. Yes in theory. It should be good for us is his Whiskey isn't cheap it'll sell in the US at around fifty five dollars a bottle. More expensive than entry level Scotch. I've come here to the. UK's largest online whisky the retailer. The whisky exchange in London. Head by Dawn Davis told me the English spirit is also at a disadvantage. When it comes to image people have this romantic idea about Scotland in the highlands and that picture of a Scottish Glenn Law in and I think that helps that Scottish image worldwide England doesn't don't quite have that romance or volume when it comes to whiskey? Scotland exports one hundred thirty seven million bottles of Scotch each year to the US alone. The listen Georgia's distillery makes only one hundred sixty thousand bottles in total. Never realistically going to challenge scarfs though is it. No you never know say. Let's take English sparkling wine. Could it challenge champagne. Potentially you know the quality's there haven't got the history but you know. Sales are growing. More people are Nag about it. Back in Norfolk and other group of Brits is getting to know more about English whisky with a tour of the distillery and tasting taste once again. Don't drink it all off. And the verdict from these visitors John Barrel and David and Adam Smith is positive yes very absolutely lovely around mouth very tasty. It's a lot easier to drink missile smoother. It's a lot nicer. Why pinon since college ferret much prefer it? But these patriotic English drinkers will soon find doubt whether it appeals to impartial. American palates the Georgia's distillery in Norfolk Stephen Beard for marketplace Warren Buffett has owned his hometown newspaper. The Omaha World Herald for almost nine years. Now he's been in the newspaper business for more than forty but no more. The billionaire lover of local newspapers is famous Amos of course for his savvy investments in almost never selling often investment. That is making money. which kind of gives away? What I'm about to say Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway Holding Company? We learned today is selling off all of its newspapers so if even Warren Buffett is admitting he can't make money and papers what hope is there marketplace's workplace Jackie Stewart has been gathering. Some opinions on Allen berkshire-hathaway is selling buffets accumulation of over thirty daily papers. Dozens of weeklies and digital operations nations for one hundred and forty million dollars. That includes the saint. Louis Post dispatch and buffets hometown paper the Omaha World Herald and threatened me as one more for nail in the coffin of the old ownership of newspapers bill gross game at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism. He says buffet is famous for his long term. The value investments for the fact that he's getting out of the newspaper business one more negative signal for the future of local newspapers as we've known them and the by Lee Enterprises has already been managing most of the papers for Berkshire hathaway since two thousand eighteen. It says it sees up to twenty five million in cost savings the steel rick. Edmonds is the media business analyst at the POYNTER institute the consolidation like the lawn happening today gives the industry some breathing room there some efficiencies as wants to put the two companies together. That's what Gannett parents of USA Today and New Media Investment Group said that they were looking for when they merged create the largest newspaper group keep in the US last year. Local newspapers have been suffering for years. craigslist wiped out pages of paid print. classifieds social media sucked up lucrative secretive local ads. And it's getting tougher to fight for a slice of a household's media budget says Joshua Benton director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard. Now you're you're you're paying thirteen bucks a month net flicks. You're paying seven dollars or eight dollars for Disney plus all these other monthly subscription products are making people look at the substantial amount of money cases. They're paying for their daily print newspaper and saying you know what we can. We can just look at our phones in a statement today. Warren Buffett said. I am confident. Our newspapers newspapers will be in the right hands going forward. I'm Jackson from occupies a quick corporate earnings update. As we go on Boeing reported today as expected the seven thirty-seven Max has caused that company. Billions eighteen point six billion dollars to be exact that in turn led to the playmakers first annual loss in more than twenty years capitalism capitalism being capitalism now Boeing shares up one point seven percent today with that band aid ripped off starbucks reported yesterday better than expected is the lingo one reason sales of cold beverages like nitro cold brew and somehow even something called pumpkin cream cold brew. Whatever ever that is those sales have been hot and a nice little pick me up for afternoon? Sales typically a sleepy time for coffee joints afternoons. It turns out a kind of a dead zone for a lot of food. Food Retailers Marketplace's Megan McCarthy Reno has more on what some of them are doing to drum up business getting consumers to spend between lunch and dinner has been a perennial annual challenge for restaurants says consumer strategists are Jay Harvey with Morningstar. I mean that's why we have happy hour right speaking. It's been more some sort of coupon or discounts to drive people back in the afternoon starbucks actually tried that approach for a while offering discounts to morning customers if they returned the same day. But it wasn't all that effective until starbucks found that sweet spot for menu items with Special Appeal in the afternoon. It's the idea of snacking. Alex Alex Suskind teaches food and beverage management at Cornell and he's seen a rush by restaurants in recent years to better cater to the growing appetite for small bites and pick me ups APPs to has to be something that they maybe can't normally get or they wouldn't normally get in the morning in the regular evening period from ice blended coffee drinks. Thanks to absurd sounding limited edition fast food offerings like Dunkin's doughnut fries or Burger. King's Mac and cheetos flavor on the outside creamy Mac and cheese is on the inside. If that's not your idea of delicious health and wellness foods are also driving afternoon. Sales says Trevor Boonstra. A restaurant industry consultant with Alex. Alex partners so you do see the fizzy drinks being very popular including like cold press juices as well sometimes energy drinks. What people are looking looking for that recharge in the afternoon and that's exactly where starbucks has had success offering that hit of afternoon energy with cold brews and Boonstra says even if retailers can't get people into stores in the afternoon they can bring the stores to consumers with more mobile ordering and delivery? I Megan McCarthy Carino for marketplace circling back to starbucks. It's real quick earnings. Next quarter may well not be better than expected. The company said in its earnings announcement. Yesterday that has closed more than half of its four thousand stores in China because of the Corona Virus Coming up so there's at least forty six fans right now turns out not everything's legal in Jersey but first let's do the numbers down throws up eleven today lesson ten percent included twenty eight thousand seven thirty four. The Nasdaq edged up. Five points. Also less than a tenth percent ninety two in seventy five p five hundred shaved off two points under a tenth percent and thirty two and seventy three. Got To tell you they were higher by a bunch before J. Palestine talking Boeing. We talked about here is up one point seven percent that despite a loss of six hundred and thirty six million dollars in two thousand nineteen apple beat the street on earnings and revenue and rose two percent today to serve from Jack About Warren Buffet and Berkshire hathaway getting out of the the newspaper business. Buffet said the owner of the Saint. Louis Post dispatch. That would be the enterprise which sold his best position to help. Those papers. Thrive Lee shares up a whopping sixty six percent Berkshire hathaway up a tenth percent Berkshire a-shares by the way berkshire-hathaway AB arcane a three hundred thirty six thousand four hundred. Seventy six dollars apiece apiece. No that is not a TYPO. You're listening to marketplace this is marketplace. I'm Kai ryssdal The Los Angeles Homeless Melissa Services Authority did its annual count of the county's homeless last week. The results won't be out till later this year but the count a year ago came to fifty eight thousand nine nine hundred and thirty six which includes more than sixteen thousand people living in their cars and vans and RV's that's the backdrop for this next installment of our series adventures in housing about all the ways that people find shelter in this economy. Miami's Jeremy Oden a work for a restaurant as a CO condo sold link. Thank for delivery for the last six months. I've been living my car Apartment 'cause like one bedroom for thirty nine hundred fourteen hundred but if you put on the bill of everything it caused me to sixteen hundred so I realized an apartment to to save more money to do what I wanted to do. An apartment Tolan Saint to me a work like tweet jobs long hours so I barely see the department org like six days a week at margin paying rent. The place don't stay so that's what I say. The CO option. At first I hated it but sometimes you like anyway. No this is it. Some of the places that are Casinos all spills someplace. I go back in the imprecision fiction for the think I'm unemployed over so I go there like three days then I got another one like two days then. I go another whenever like four main parking spots that I use news I always park facing the war so that even security. Oh anybody can see me. I got a high I have a gym membership. The lifts me to show that the main thing avid for for because getting a getting Kalin show in you not being in. The car is really hard so jim if the best alternative for clean show the cost me twenty dollars a month using the city that give towels but the crowded everybody using using their yesterday show the end. You realize leg things taking care of myself you know like before before I would like I'll just buy buy clothes bike. Ladas bike lauded shoes but Raynham like I don't have any need menu. They just need to the pairs of shoe I'm experiencing something I never thought. Experience survive as Jeremiah Oath and living in his car here in La. We'll have been more than a month from now March. The first New York is going to become the eighth state in the Union to implement a ban on single use plastic bags joining among others. California the -Fornia Oregon and Hawaii. Interestingly enough though there is a longer list of states that have bans on plastic bag. Bans try to saying that. Ten Times fast it's a ban on plastic bag bans Samantha. Denardo and her colleagues at politico have done a bunch of work on the plastic bag lobby. Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me so so we'll get to. We'll get to the bands and the lobbying all of this In a second but talk me for a second about the plastic bag business as business. Would you sure so the plastic bag business is obviously found in every state Federally and also in foreign markets as well it's a growing business and it's it's one that is sort of facing some foes and environmentalist right now and yet As you point out in this piece only eight states have been able to successfully banned One use plastic bags How come well? That's right. So states have banned last bags Other states it's fourteen in fact have laws that prohibit local governments from instituting their own. Plastic bag bans And that's because lobbying is really strong The plastic bag industry St has a group called the American Progressive Bag alliance their division of the Plastic Industry Association. And they're pretty strong. They make an argument that plastic bags ags are actually better for the environment than paper or that. They'll be Adverse impacts on retailers and customers if bags armband backed up by science these claims I I WANNA has to imagine. Well there's been studies going both ways as as sometimes happens. What is the fight been For environmental groups. I mean the been lobbying long and hard with limited success Is it just outmatched. Is that the deal. That's part of the deal. So they'll always have more boots on the ground at the local level and that's where you see a lot of the band actually being instituted or any of the laws that either put a fee on plastic bags or band single waste plastic Dick or limited And it's happening at the local level. Where as I said they have boots on the ground but also where sort of big money lobbyists don't have as much influence wrote those big money lobbyists go to the state houses and because that's where the votes are exactly these states that have bans on bands that is to say the fourteen states that prevent local jurisdictions from enacting bans? What are the rationales there? Sure well for the most part it's just they say it will create a uniform standard across the state This is also ironically a reason that a lot of retail associations and customers at some points come to states in which municipalities. He's have instituted bans because they complain that there's no uniform standard New Jersey. which is your your expertise? The energy and environment be there. What happened into the to the bag band? There well died. It's a longtime cummings is not the first time it dies. But this death was sort of unexpected if you would would ask someone maybe in the middle of the legislative session the previous legislative session the Senate and the assembly actually passed a bag ban but the governor vetoed it. Because he said it didn't go far enough Another bill was introduced. It was even stricter it would have been the strictest in the country had it passed it would have banned plastic bags paper bags and polystyrene food containers And the Senate passed it but the assembly did not take it up for a vote so by tomorrow. At this time it should be reintroduced in the Senate So despite that state Failure of the ban New Jersey's a really good example of how this works right because there are still a bunch of local bands in place in that state. That's right so there's at least forty six bands. Right now and the environmentalists. A lot of them. Say Okay if we can't get a state band past that's all right. The localities will step up. I've been they have their own bands. In place or other limits Samantha. Maldonado covers Energy and environment in the Great State of New Jersey for Politico Samantha. Thanks a lot. Thanks so much this final note on the way out today in which the Long Strange Saga of movie movie pass is finally over remember. That was the company that had the pay one low price. See as many movies as you want. Plan didn't work out for a bunch of self evident evident reasons. And that's despite a whole lot of variations and permutations and the service closed down back in September. Anyway today it formally filed for bankruptcy protection as its parent company Helius Ios and Matheson Analytics Chapter Seven by the way the sell it all off. We're really done chapter not eleven the let's see if we can keep it going chapter. All right we gotta go down industrial's up eleven today less than ten percent Nasdaq up five also less than ten s and P five hundred shaved off to also less than a tenth percent. 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DPT Mini - Zach Bornstein - These Automobiles Are In Cahoots

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DPT Mini - Zach Bornstein - These Automobiles Are In Cahoots

"Army and me cash flow weekly feature meal it as we discussed the current events in the world of music with our guests cross hey you love music but have a hard time keeping up with Tampa they gotta show all about news so join me Jona rate starving podcast network L. DOT COM The Dan Jape was unaware they lacked a check us out wherever you listen to podcasts and if you want your music featured on this show emails Jona Radio R. A. Y. AT G has personal trash pickup truck yesterday that was the tallest thing I've ever seen and just on the side of it said Vagina Guitars down you are phenomenal writer fantastic a great follow on the old twits get Outta here I'm really right now get out as we hear about are getting dumber but then like there's there's just like so people are just like building like quantum computers and we just don't hear about it but the things that are Rhoda dumb people population Bornstein hello how are you how are you buddy thank you guys for hassle do you WanNa jump in a man ooh angry that a pickup truck or just a man angry two thousand nineteen a man go hi they go live so we get stories sent to us by our wonderful who are not dumb but very smart listeners and we just try and make sense of them so we got one sentence those vans that say like this made so yeah I'm like what is the moment as you know the actual service in there with those damn compliment but I feel like you are uniquely imperfectly engineer genetically engineered I different Yeah I don't know the market for maybe tune in you pick no I've I've always hey that you've been mangled lead into being the perfect person to do the show we believe that the world's getting I don't know if that's your thought in in the St but then if if if we hit it off we can we'll talk more about it off so I just would love to have that moment where there's a topless person in your house Johny around around town hey daddy's GonNa Friday oh qc that you want to talk about that's for sure we're getting more access to dumb new yes Oh my God this is incredibly got a better pr you're like hey listen you need to you need to pull out my sons trundle not going to say it's each figuring if you're not gonNA yeah I don't even know what's coming but he's mad at an inanimate object personified or you know the pickup trucks and now the pickup I I don't think so it's out of tune this so we I drive those I don't just choose which one you're doing real fair accurate I guess Very Fox News Fair and balanced and who wrote the article Nancy Gar blow their spot boy name names what was the girl from Casey in what's the Lacy Cagney stop the g chord is missing okay I'm GonNa try this garter there's too many as in here gardeners closeouts classic Nancy Classic Gartner the Classic Classic Gartner Interested it should you want these all together don't choose them individually real fair accurate period after each one okay real fair and and mad at a pickup truck did you find out is it just Vagina Guitar I didn't do any more regard I want that of having whatever you have cleaned to do some cleaning gonNA be terrible so they show up with see off imagine all know someone who called them recently whoever's Pr for dumb is just killing it um that's a great Scott on the radio apps what are you doing now we're not going anywhere buddy so you want this problem for a long time hammered out the lights on a cement mixer long trucks that guy he was mad that the truck could part partly on the grass in front of his home also that's public property right this story also comes to us from the Omaha World Herald and they have a talent under their thing let's hear it who wrote it wrote this as three different thoughts you lock yourself in your office do you even own a dyson why are good going around corners but with with artie news took a knife to the truck tires now now you want it to now it's GonNa be scraping up your lawn with Hud current and also might not be a sidewalk so yard could come all the way up to the street yard goes into the street right in two lanes of traffic game daily daily She called one of them that is obviously not hooters and they said that they will come over and do some light dusting when they go hi we go loud yes that's gotta be assured go hi we go just mad at the truck surrogate out of there mad at your truck your let me talk for an hour leaving on i WanNa talk to park on they will breaking down in Florida from the man she's constantly gardening man angry that a pick up truck had parked partly on the grass in front of his home now know a person park that we overalls a red t shirt and a baseball cap across the street to the cement mixer where he asked the person video in him you got this you ready nothing good ever clean all of the precious moments why clean one DS I don't WanNa Hammer Hummer I wish to be a great novels don't give him a hummer they don't care what you ready let serve this soup kitchen it's like you got this you ready to do a backflip in this bar my favorite part then stomped through freshly poured concrete and swore man doing street repairs a share and cell phone video indicate you knew this he's just added vitamin objects this chocolate that truck do that and nominee take it out on that trump automobiles inhalants on that never made it on a new definition for a flying V guitar goes on the seaside there a Sikh cut in across the street to which those guys I some Stefanus David don't throw those papers at that food his marriage so he broke his bachelor the lights on a cement mixer across the street scarf the man Thomas Male Lander has been ticketed on suspicion of suspicion you ready before he starts hammering at the mixers lights. I like that he finally talked to a person at the end yelling at trucks person career on this side of the if you're on roadside sidewalk but if he's on the grass real what do you think happened was there any curb it may have been one booth curbs occur tuck and one foot up in quicksand would have been better video was taken by one of the crew members of it shows the man where I mean that is the best lunch break like the way to make a Margarita with half the calories you know what got announced yesterday as sketch comedy show no the video I put that guy who's holding you talk about this also mixers lights sounds like a knockoff of white claw to me Yeah quote I want that truck off my lawn he yells the warriors like Bethany Franco came up with mixers late yes and it's crushing right three feet into the ground I get hurt in the street I own the shoulder that he was mad that it parked on aggressive front is home to why is that would you love to see this and I know it's only in cartoons does do this but like for him to be stopping really fast and then slowdown getting lower with seem sane mad pickup truck shows us why men shouldn't be in power trouble still glad you work cut off overall who stalking me the forklift laughing at me for Sir the epitome of basic pitches like me yeah it comes in and Ugh boot check it if you buy enough cases you can trade it in for an autumnal I don't think Nancy captured all of this and the headline I'll be honest because just mad at pickup truck doesn't Full Hampshire it's like man mad a pickup truck and loses his mind they just just anything he sees how why is this such an elaborate toolkit does he think that the cement truck let that happen ever because these guys don't give a shit about what's happening to work for another two hours fine whatever I get overtime because he gets it shows the man wearing cutoff Brown in Chicago I'm headlining Zanies in Chicago it's my first time headlining clubs in Chicago Illinois and I would love to have so many people come out to Zanies that's the sixteenth Oh you about my tour all of everybody who listens to dump people town and Pen Pals I love you guys and I just want you know that I'm probably coming to a city near you or yeah just goes starts breaking shit hardware tools out something happened before today man nat at pickup truck makes crispin glover through the nineteenth of October and then I get right back into that together to the next day on the twentieth and I'm going to Detroit and then I am going to Roger to a city near people you know they live there so come out and see me go to Daniel van Kirk Dot com this is all going to start the final run of the together to her ester and then boss Boston and Albany and New York and Cleveland and then I picked back up in November on the eleventh and I'm Doing Louisville in Nashville document him now he could have just been talking to the phone the phone something that takes the video phone you got this ready `imbursement space with concrete because there's a record forever it's like now people are going to ask why has learned these dips and handprints print mail landers uh tries to extricate himself Sir I got it if you are in trouble you're not so he's a male or a female and male you may I L K male lander from lander meaning they used to land in the deer would park area which is northwest of the intersection of Blair High Road and Idustry some that is all you need for the people on the walkie to know where to go now over to land that table it's not gonNA matter now you might hit it outside yeah you got this okay hi Daniel Van Kirk Dot com the together tour thanks hey guys welcome back to dump people town Before we go any further in this story we should and Milwaukee and Cincinnati probably not that order and then I end my tour on Friday November fifteenth in Rochelle Illinois so on the I'm doing the thirteenth who've been alive people town so you can come to that but then on the fourteenth I will be in Philly and then I will be in Baltimore and that will be Oh that's what she wants to do what I did not know that she wants to be a sketch comedian white claw has put out a pumpkin spice flavors because that's Mark Dot Com to catch me on the together tour as I wrap this up everybody who's come out to shows in the past I love you and I appreciate you and everybody who's GonNa come out let's hug and a tour dates that should be out by now so good Daniel Van Kirk Dot com I'm all over the Midwest and the East Coast wrapping up the together to disclose that we have a number of dates coming up include it down hey it's me Daniel van Kirk breaking into this ad portion to tell Pulitzer headlights later in the video after hammering at the back of the cement mixer maelander steps into the wet concrete and then stumbles through it he falls down Sir she wants out of the muck with the hammer still in one hand and his other caked in wet concrete you walked over to the thing and wants out of the muck with the hammer still in one hand and his feet and the other caked in wet concrete how long do you have before that sets I don't know how many minutes it depends on bill. NBC Confronting Carry Jackson Co owner of Jackson's complete concrete not completely more I'm sorry Miss Jackson Jackson asked original talk show called my least favorite thing where I talk celebrities while we do their least favorite thing which is like driving. LAX mentioned some dates We are in depending on when this bright before the go-to in October October thirteenth we are doing a live people down at the income carry Jackson says this is perfect you got a guy covered in cement he's knocked out lights on your cement trucks no mischief says Douglas County Sheriff Lieutenant Ross suspicion he did it on video you got you got this incident occurred Thursday morning on Potter street him on the show and then we may be getting a musical guest on that show as well as come into the city come check it out and then we may do a second show a totally different we sell it out let's do it that's a Friday night and there's so many other great shows as well obviously New York and Philly and upstate New York you guys have been asking me to come there so I am Boston as well again go to Daniel van email you're interviewing them yeah in the midst of doing this legal theory parking on their lawn my least favorite thing yes check it out and that'll be yeah there's a the property line is not up to the gravel no it's this guy definitely thinks is properly probably like goes tight five from maelander his cement set and actually the weekend after that I will be Zanies in Chicago and then a whole bunch of uh-huh and you could come in hot right but what's the best thing to do everything all right yeah adult comedy central there you go on I love it got still love it all right Daniel bring us into back into you so I said later in the video bell house in Brooklyn we have Michael on the show just added Aparna Non Chela she's wonderful yes we're very excited to have her on the show and patronized are we done Gary Jackson Kerry Jackson I haven't seen him he has gone his dog the bounty hunter for if any of those cities are close to you please come out and hang out with me come to those shows I would love to see as many people there I think we're doing it hell hilarity in Cleveland that's going to be Super Fun the truck the truck pickup truck fifty I wish I owned and then he's also now hitting the cement truck so he goes I want that truck off my lawn Kerry ooh drove around the next day still in costume ask you what's going on over here picked up five bounties at which point male male attack so it depends on how hard it is cartoons it's like thirty seconds backs get a bucket and he had a barber of the Leeann dirt response everything all right does everything look all right to you you dumb fuck fuck make it into the newspaper and then Eh John g the citation he could mail enter could not be reached for comment which to me means they didn't even try 'cause partner should've tried because talk to you on turn on a tape recorder yeah you'll get just pull up just on the front of the line just a little bit he'll come out you can whisper maelander will wherever you are he'll show the eggs yeah laundry could be facing their fear of snakes patient we make them actually confront leave on their lives anger intimate Ellis island wherever the mainland still let it land on my lawn he's been ticketed on suspicion of it's three times three times in cement citation is for misdemeanor based on five hundred to fifteen hundred dollars in damage Jones said up trying it was a son visiting his mother who lived across the street I this guy so can I say something though male enter Israel asking number two is this the new fantasy movie like series on highly young male lenders academy and I would call it you've got mail after hammering at the back of the cement mixer lander than stepped into the wet concrete then fell and then try to extricate himself can I help you with that quick said that's a Sergeant Jones I believe our lieutenant should the damage to the truck's total more than five thousand maelander would be charged with a felony and the actual property where the periods and then the question is okay maelander now I haven't seen the highlander movie I haven't seen him be only one meal and there can be only one male enter that was truck was parked it was on a public right of way Jones did not know that I will ask you guys now and we will then get out of this on this they walk that truck off by launch the truck that no longer has working tired or the truck you're now going to bash the headlights because she's mad about the Thomas Male Lander got its heels a hammer feel he's lived long enough to feel like he's been wrong baseball cap he has I shortly there after the video ends and Sheriff deputies arrived and ticket Maelander Jackson is said he later found out who owns the party or at least as renting property he takes ownership of Chicago he's around enough to be sick of these guys in their cement who is a type of guy that would be mad that you Parker truck a momentous looks out had we will get into it man I tell people down here is the video and it'll be on the facebook page guys joy the facebook page join us Oh yes how old do you think that Mr Maelander is fourteen come on for real he's explosion that just came 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Episode 12  Cutting College Costs  With Guest John Williams

Agent of Wealth

24:18 min | 1 year ago

Episode 12 Cutting College Costs With Guest John Williams

"Welcome to agent of wealth podcast with Marc Doughty's. From 'bout his financial in this podcast. Mark helps small business owners and retirees overcome the multiple wealth planning challenges involved in your financial life. We do this by creating comprehensive wealth management plans to guide you towards financial freedom. Ensure you never run out of money and help create a balance in life that prioritizes. What is most important to you to us for this journey as Mark draws from years of expertise and guest experts to solve the multiple wealth planning issues involved in your financial life. Hello and welcome to the agent of wealth with Mark 'bout us about his financial today. We have a guest again, and I'm gonna just turn it right over to Marc. So he can get busy with this. But we're going to be talking about planning for college and cutting college costs, which that's a tongue twister, Mark. Thank you for that. I appreciate it. Good more to Mark. How are you? Good morning. Eric. How're you doing great? I'm doing well, cutting college costs. I know that this ties in with the last podcast that we have. So what were we starting today? Yes. Oh in on our last show, which was episode eleven we covered I guess the first part of this series, which was saving for college. And that's the scenario where you have a baby that colleges cost a lot of money. But you're not sure what to do next. So we covered that in the last podcast about when you should start saving. How much you should start saving? We looked at the pros and cons of five twenty nine. And then also what other savings vehicles are out there in addition to five twenty nine so for today's episode we're going to actually talk about the late stage, college planning. So that's when parents are nearing ending that phase where they're saving for college. And how do they stretch whatever they've managed to save as far as possible when contemplating their college costs trying to figure out how to basically minimize the college cost as much as as much as possible. So for for this this show, we brought back John Williams who John works at about his financial as well. And he's the resident college planning experts in the company, so we're going to kind of cover this phase of college planning, which it's not really covered well in the industry, and it's a it's a gigantic expense. You know, you'll hear that you have to save for college safe to college. But you really left in the lurch when you have to figure out how best to pay for college. So the three questions will look at three most popular questions that we come across when when working with someone cutting college costs or college planning is the first one is how can you tell if you'll get financial aid most people assume that they just oughta medically won't off. I for which is is not necessarily true. We'll also look at what net price calculators are. And why someone should use them? And also will go over a discussion on how assets can impact aid. So with that John welcome back to the to the show. Thanks, mark. Okay. So first question is so parent has child they're approaching college where should they start? And when should they start trying to to look into this many times, the first thought is this financial aid eligibility question that will come up? And unfortunately, it's not really a simple calculation. There's a lot of variables that go into it on the parent's age income marital status, how many siblings during college will where will usually start and what we can help clients with is helping them figure out there there. You have see this EFC is is it's dancer expected family contribution. And it's also the amounts of ETA family can be expected to pay for one year of college. When I say expected I mean expected by the governments or the school you're applying to it's usually the first place the will start a good place to start. Okay. So if we look at this EFC number, I guess, the first one is why isn't important, and then where to someone go to calculate it. So so the ESE is is going to be generated in some shape or form in two main areas. One is going to be by the information that submitted through the fast, another kind of the tougher disabled. It basically is like the fr. The application for for student aid. This is the application that's very popular approaching applying for college in us by twenty million different filled out by twenty million different applicants across the country. And this is going to figure out is going to be used by the government and colleges and universities to basically come up with their define intially package. They're going to offer the applicant, and then the second place is very similar to the the free application for student aid, which is an institutional profile sometimes called the CSS profile. And this is like I said a similar type of calculation to come up with CFC. But there are gonna be some proprietary in different pieces of the calculation that are used by two hundred schools across the country, and they're typically going to be some of these higher profiles schools. They wouldn't have a little more control of these packages. And just kind of added a little bit of a flavor to how they're going to fill out the F C a little more. Complicated because there's not as much information as to what's inside those. There is a listing that you can find on on the college board's website to see which one of these two will be applicable, but ultimately, you're gonna wanna fill out at least the Festa so someone either fills out the fast follower this CSS. And the end result is what they get. There. Have see calculation off of that that form? So there's gonna be some online calculators in the point. Here is many times people will just wait fill out the fast NC, what comes back, and they don't realize they can actually use certain calculators or sit down with us to understand what the FAFSA is actually gonna spit out before they actually apply. So they have a little bit of a better foresight in understand, you know, the direction I need to go. One of the best ones is going to be on the college board website that you can do a quick Google search in find in. It's it's going to be pretty accurate. Do you have any kind of maybe an example that you can go through on how in c would translate into what someone would we expect it to pay? Yeah. Sure. So when you when you use the calculator in in you put pug, some of this information into it. You know, you're going to get back. Got you have see in just just a couple of quick little examples here one let's say the pumps out a thirty thousand dollar AFC, which is what that family is going to be expected. Now, I just wanted preface real quick. That's what both these colleges in the government expects you. Sometimes people are surprised by this number. It's not necessarily what you think you can afford. Sometimes unfortunately, a little higher than what people are expecting. But it is what they're going to weigh against the tuition of the school. You're looking at. So for instance, if you're if you if the SEC does come back at thirty K and the tuition at that school, sixty K then the difference is ultimately what they're going to consider for or aid on the other hand. If you have any if EFC that comes. Back of seventy thousand dollars per year in the tuition, sixty K you're probably not gonna get considered for financial aid. And in that case, you're gonna wanna consider merit based aid, which we can get into an minute. John leware talking financial aid. Are we just saying the ability for loans, or is it actual of money that wouldn't have to be repaid? So true financial aid need based aid is going to be government grants in really it's really going to be separate from the loan package that you're going to be offered. So when we when we talk about the need based aid, it's really going to be directly related to what really for the school itself. Almost like a discount if you may to that student because of their need. Make make sense. And then how does that translate to? Let's say specific school and how we can figure out how that EFC number would correlate to what is the cost of particular school. Yeah. So so each school is going to have different diff- their own different variables now that they have this EFC number. So in that, first example, thirty K of ESE end tuition, sixty K. It doesn't automatically mean that school's going to give you that thirty K that they're going to consider that numbers in most cases, unfortunately, you don't get all of that money to to have a better idea. If there's a few schools on your list in the LA Times with clients there is you can end by law each school has to offer what they call a net price calculator in that calculator is going to have all these specific considerations of that school built into it. So if you do a quick little search like Mark or Seton Hall grad, you can do a Seton Hall night price calculator. Google in it, sometimes they're hidden. So it's a little easier just to do a direct search. And then it'll it'll come back with a search in you can usually find it pretty easily. But once you go to that calculator. It's going to be designed by Seton Hall, and it's going to then basically tell you based off of GPA some of these other factors at the is not looking at what you could expect to pay for one year of school to that specific school. And is there anything different between a private and public school school in terms of how they control their net price calculator. So one thing to consider the net price calculator is there are some really bad ones out there. So it does behoove the school to make it as accurate as possible. Because here they're offering this information to these students that coming in. So for them, the fudge it or make it any less accurate is not gonna be is really not gonna benefit anyone in that equation. Because for the applicant to get the wrong ideas to how much it might cost them in the long run is is really not. Is really, and you can actually when you get to the actual web one of the things I will say as the net price calculator. If it takes you like less than a minute fill out. It's probably not very accurate. And so the end result of the net price calculator is that show all the aid that the college is planning to offer as well yet. So there's merit based aid in financial aid merit based aid is gonna be is gonna come. From the school's consideration of the applicants activities there. GPA their SAT scores everything outside of the financial picture. And and of course, financial aid is the the need based aid is gonna come from the need side. And every school is gonna look at a need differently. And they're gonna have better really track record of how much they offer in. Just a quick example would be if I'm applying to school students typically wanted they wanna be in cities by the water in those schools will actually be are going to offer less aid. Because quite frankly, they don't have to offer as much aid. So you compare that to a school that might be in the middle or the midwest? It might be very good school. They may have to work a little harder. And they may actually have a more attractive and more money to offer in better, financial aid packages all things being equal. Make sense. Maybe that's why some schools like to build up their football and basketball programs. Any? Yeah. There's a track students. But so is there any is there any cost to running colleges net price calculator, can you guess before you're even narrowing down? The search can can this be uses twelve to narrow down what colleges you might want to apply to? Yeah. So I think what you wanna do you want to start with your AFC and really start there and really consider the schools, you're looking at and then maybe consider why like throwing a wider net because you know, you want to avoid the trophy school trap. And it doesn't mean that you shouldn't apply to some of those schools, but there may be based off of your situation. So the example would be if you have a low EFC you're gonna wanna look at schools that have a track record of a very very good financial aid package based off of need. If you have a real high EMC, and you don't qualify for that need based part of the equation. Then you really gonna wanna look at those schools have really high merit offerings in the history of of the merit aid. That's out there. And every school is going to be different. You can go to the college board website, and you can plug in. Any schools, you're considering as you're doing your research, and there's a pain tab, you can go to inaugural show each school's history as to how much merit based aid based off of applicants in percentage of their overall two ish in and some schools will have really great merit based aid and some schools will have really great some of both. But I think that does want those are some things you have to consider and one of the reasons why it's important to know your position in where that AFC where where you stand as far as that. Yes, e- is concerned. And I know with regards CFC Il, we get this question all the time about how will someone's investments or their assets impact, their EFSA isn't a big impact yet. It certainly does come into play. But I I have to say that this is probably one of the biggest hangups that people have in. There is a lot of misinformation out there, even though it does come into play at the say, it's not it doesn't come into play as big as some people might think. And with that said, the income of the family is going to be a much much bigger factor in the these calculations as far as the need based aid is concerned. Okay. So the definitely income is a big factor on the assets or the investment side is everything counted against the apparent or are there any things type of assets that can be excluded from the calculation urva question. So there's a your included it so just to give you a quick little example, the income itself the after tax income that a family has is going to be roughly in its rough numbers to don't take my word for it. But it's going to be about it's going to be counted for about twenty percent. So if a family's after tax income is let's say one hundred fifty thousand dollars that EFC in the if even if they have no assets, it would just considering the income after-tax income you're going to be looking at have about thirty. Thousand dollars. Okay. And now if we look at that compared with the assets the assets are going to be included about five percent. And that's after there's there's actually an exclusion of roughly fifteen to twenty five thousand dollars. So the example there is let's say somebody has a hundred thousand dollars of countable assets. This means really for the most part in there. It's not quite this simple. But everything outside of retirement accounts in anything that they're going to consider which you know, is going to be cash liquid assets in they're gonna take that number and they're going to allow you to exclude a certain percentage of that. So let's say it's roughly fifteen thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars on that they're gonna loud you exclude from that hundred thousand dollars. Now, you have eighty thousand dollars in gonna multiply that by five point six four percent. I really know why it's five point six four percent, which is so specific. But you know, so then from there you're going to be looking at roughly four thousand dollars that is gonna come into play. Versus let's say, for instance, if that same family has was making an after tax income as a family of one hundred fifty thousand dollars, you're looking at thirty thousand dollars. So you can kind of get an idea as to how these these two different factors are gonna come into play. And why we say like, you know, the income is going to be a much bigger part of what to consider. Okay. So I guess the conclusion about this is there's there's no reason to be afraid to save, and saving is definitely a good thing for me. It comes to college. And you know, we come across this all the time. You know, we we. I mean, you know, we had clients who come to us and they're doing really well, right? They have a bunch of income coming in in quite frankly, it's probably only gonna get better for them. But because of some of these miss this misinformation in the market and some of these mixed signals. They're getting they come those. I gotta hide these assets. And I have to move it over here move it over there. And and at the end of the day, they're probably gonna be paying full price. If there's one child involved, and they're probably thinking about it. They're probably hung up on a little bit too much because as their income increases, obviously, the AFC is gonna go up significantly. So the best thing is just to save enact situation is the save as early as often as possible because which you'd rather have one hundred K in the Bank or be able to save four thousand dollars. A year on on college based off of my example. And that's that's why not try to give that little insight there. You know, it it definitely makes sense. And as we start to wrap up is there anything, I guess either next steps or things that that someone should consider when they're starting this process. Yeah. I like to leave people with the idea that much of the news is dominated by some as high profile colleges that are out there that you that almost sometimes boasts how many students they turn away. And this is really not the reality of the thousands of colleges and universities that are out there. You know it. It's really more of a buyer's market than people think in one of the ticks that we consider is fifty eight percent of students get some kind of aid from colleges public colleges and universities and the private universities. They actually have the hustle more of granted upwards of eighty eight percent other students with aid. So this tells us that do a little research. Search understand your position. And that's why why we started working more on this cost side is is to to educate. Help people understand some of the things they can do do do some of these researchers in find some of these schools in throw that wider net. So when they do approach in this late phase, or when they're in this late phase, they have a better chance of getting aid and having some options that are you going to be more realistic as far as you know, how expensive college is getting these days for sure yet. I think we've also seen the the negative sides of of not doing anything in terms of trying to cut college costs or college planning and those include things like students coming out of college saddled with monthly student loan payments that are larger than some mortgages, and this trickles down and impacts things. Like the students saving for retirement buying their first house or or starting a family, and then even on the retirement side, we were now starting to see the impact on a parent's retirement. But they may have signed loans for their children. Or may want to help out pay for the student loans after college and now their retirement is impacted by the so I think the important thing is take that step figure out what you can do to improve the cost of college that you have to pay, and, you know, they're they're different places that John mentioned where you can go online and go through calculators and fill out the FAFSA form. But also you can you can call us. We'd be happy to help you walk through it. We do offer a free consultation. Our number's eight six two two zero five five eight zero zero or you can go to our website about his financial dot com. And we'd be happy to talk to you about it. Guys that was fantastic. And I know that today's podcast is really geared toward the parents. But just from my own experience I've worked with young people for a very long time. I know there's things that the kids can do also to contribute to this process. Not only just you know, the the the important research that you guys were talking about. But there are books out there. And I know that she can get him on Amazon. I think one of them's called the ultimate scholarship book, and they come out with that every year. And I know that the last time I looked at it with some young folks that I was helping it has like one point five million a million and a half different types of scholarships or grants that people can apply for the just don't know about. And there was there's some crazy things in that book. Depending on what your ethnicity is they're broken down by state. So you can look up state specific ones. But I remember just chuckling to myself because one of them was if your family has ever boarded a horse for more than six months, right? It's a letter tell us what your plans on like what what how how if you've owned a boat. I mean, I don't know, you know, it's just weird things that. Individuals put out grants, and they want to help young people. But they have specific things that you know, I want somebody who has had this experience or been in the situation. I want to help that type of person get ahead. So I think that's something that young people can do is write these letters and kind of apply for these. I mean is free money. What are your thoughts on that? There's look there's there's so much great information out there and to your point like kids, they're pretty savvy as far as when it comes to to to even online. So you you're right. There's lot of books lot of resources out there. I mean, even even a lot of that stuff is now made its way to online sites. So just a Google search for your area, and what might be available out there. And that speaks to. So there's gonna be four different areas you're going to get aid from there's going to be obviously school. We talked about the government. The state is another place. You can actually look up in. There's going to be a resource for each state 'cause actually gonna talk a little about some of the aid that that that you can receive. Leave at the state level. And then there's private organizations, which I think that you're probably referring to the most. And this could be companies that have like grant money, or there could be charitable organizations or just specific organizations that are geared towards maybe something like you just said that's unique to you. And and there's going to be so much information out there. So I think the takeaway really is to be active and don't assume that there there aren't some of these especially with with the internet access ability. We have like two disinformation just doing searches in just in just try to try to you never know what you're going to stumble across. I guess is really really what it comes down to. Exactly, exactly. That's yup. There's so much that can be found in it just does take, you know, grab the shovel do some digging. And that's what that's what it's gonna come down to. So I think that having those conversations that's really why I think we wanted to incorporate this into our planning processes is not only to add a whole nother layer of education and resource that we offer our clients, but. Like to encourage, you know, these types of things where you know, you find a five thousand dollar grant that maybe wasn't there as five thousand dollars. You don't have to save you know in in. It's it's just that simple. Absolutely. My experience is most schools have a plan or a career center where you can go and talk to them, and they'll have a list of a lot of local things one of the ones around. Here is the Omaha world herald gives thousands and thousands of dollars away in a grant. That's you know, you don't have to pay back. But it's for people that are going to be doing writing in college while most people do writing, so there's a lot of different categories, and you could look at, but they want people to kind of write some short stories submit them. And then tell what they're going to be doing in their career. That's going to help them to be a better writer, and they'll give grants for that. You know? So that's I mean, that's a local organization that maybe people just don't think about or know about until they ask those questions or do that digging. So yeah. I think every state never little town. There's a lot of people that want to help young folks get this education and not be in tremendous debt when they're out of college. So I agree. That's that's great anything avoid that for sure she no kin or I guess again. Thank you for your time. This is fantastic. And thank you all for listening to the agent of all podcast with Marc about us. If you have not subscribe to the podcast yet. 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Map shows even 'regular people' can't avoid coronavirus spread

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

46:50 min | 6 months ago

Map shows even 'regular people' can't avoid coronavirus spread

"The show we at nine eastern on MSNBC. Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Happy to have you here especially on a Friday nights and for your troubles as a reward for you being here on Friday nights I would like to thank you for being here by introducing you to wore nell Vega Watch this. God bless him alone says positive senior covert nineteen to weakened a half saying when I first got here trouble during big core seniors. Everything so much better now I thank you thank you so just made it home for some being back home after being in the hospital for so many days. I'm excited to be back with my family. They happy to have me home. I'm happy to be home and one of the things I'm looking forward to doing. I didn't sleep. It's been a while so I think a good night's sleep as well deserted. My name is Riemann son. Stir sangster's the last name. I'm a cool with survivor. I was admitted to cyanide. Hospital on the fifth of April just prior to be hospitalized or threes privatised to hospitalize. My mom died With cuvee it and then I was hospitalized. You're under fittest. I came in here. I spent a little more than seventy two hours on the ventilator is been able to to my family to the just coming out of ICU. Just over one week now. Ready to go to reach my wife and my kids. You love you to love. You guys love you too. That's L. Vega was the first gentleman there and Raymond sangster whose mom died from krona virus three days before he was hospitalized with it himself and was eventually put in the ICU and himself intimated but now has gone home. Got Speed to you both We keep asking frontline healthcare workers across the country to send us their thoughts and US things in their own words. Send US their own view on their own work right now. What they're going through I think it is an interesting peek into the mindset of these frontline health workers who are risking so much for all the rest of us that a lot of what they keep. Sending us is portrait's of their patients their patients who are surviving it and making out of the hospital and I mean it's great to see that on on its own terms but I think it's also sort of revelatory for US civilians on the outside to see how important those successes are not just to the patients themselves and their families but also the people who have been working themselves half to death Trying so hard to save people from a disease that is very unpredictable very cruel and just relentless in terms of the numbers of Americans that it has sickened and killed and so they celebrate these moments. Which is I think. Important for us to know about them This is another one. We just got from Indiana Watch. This one took gentleman was after eating here since April four. He spent some time in critical. Care discharge do they joyfully after spending about two weeks in the hospital? Three hundred patients is an enormous number. His discharge speech to all the patients have been cared for the sake about the number of hours of care then involved in carrying two to the number three hundred. That's an incredible number. So it's not just his discharge. It's everybody that's come before him as well. For the nurses on argument it is an incredible source of pride rising to this occasion to take on Reheard Vegas undertaking it my lifetime. We just continually just to all that are of. It could not be more proud. Couldn't be more proud. That's Tracy Davis she's an RN. In Indianapolis Indiana Health Methodist Hospital which has been a really hard hit hospital in Indiana Indianapolis Star today profiling what they call the slow rolling disaster of the Kovic Nineteen crush at that particular hospital in Indiana and so Dr Right. They are going to celebrate when they're three hundredth patient survives and is able to leave the hospital after all it takes from all of these healthcare workers to try to keep people alive once this thing. It's got a hold of them because we keep hearing over and over again especially as this thing has sprawled and grown into this enormous epidemic. That we've got in our country it's grown from from March and has stretched on all the way through April and out stretching on through. May It just keeps going and the people who are doing the physical medical work to try to keep Americans alive who are worst. Hit by this They just keep telling us I feel like they need us to know what it is that they need to keep going but also just how hard this is. It's been a very it's been a very difficult experience I've been a nurse for years. I've never experienced anything like this. I've never experienced this much emotion. I find it difficult to talk still. I think the one good thing that I've had so far as knowing that I talk about my nursing staff and how it's very helpful to talk to them and they've been a great support but it's been more than that. I think that we help each other. Get through this because we share the same experiences you know. We all have all have families that we have to go to. We all make sacrifices by not seeing them for long periods of time it's been it's been very difficult even. I don't think that I hope that nobody has experienced anything. Like like what we've been experiencing. I'm going to go home. I'm going to listen to some music like I said earlier. I'm going to zoom. What some of my friends. I just look forward to seeing my son tomorrow. Lynn Vera is an ICU. Nurse at Mount Sinai West in New York She herself got infected and got sick with corona virus. Early on in early March She is now recovered and she is back on the job. I also Josephine Stevens. Just feed Stevens Works in Port Jefferson Louisiana. She actually works in a dental clinic in port. Jefferson Louisiana but with the epidemic descending with particular ferocity upon Louisiana Josephine moved over to do something entirely different at Saint Charles Hodge in Port Jefferson. She trained to work with Cohen Patients. Who can't have their families with them. You know they can't have their families with them. They can't have any visitors Josephine is nail. The one who sits with them and facilitates facetime conversations. Conversations be a phone pad between these very ill patients and their families at home. She is the one who helps them bedside to connect and to communicate their last wishes in some cases and to say goodbye. If that times come if that time comes that's Josephine's job now because everybody's job has changed in the epidemic three indoors Very different since covered nineteen to play out five weeks ago. Everybody's working really learned to save as many lives and it's really scary. That's breaking and you're just very very different on you'll deadly look at life a different way every breath you take and every remember that you can really hard. I just finished working a sixteen hour shift. I came in at seventy minutes. Approximately eleven. Pm Now the day started off pretty rough In running Ranta Patients Code Relies the that? The days starts unknown every single day I'm very grateful for the team that I work side We all work really hard. We all there and we're grateful for one another it's GonNa family that now my built Especially since my family lives out of state I haven't been able to spend much time in the last two months with them I keep going back though I keep coming back because The patients need us but the biggest thing is Lesion to need us sell so stay healthy for them because if we get sick. Who's going to be here for you? the biggest concern for public is reopening our cities in getting stuff moving which would be great for all of us including me. I WANNA I WANNA go I WANNA be able to go out to dinner and do something But unfortunately we can't right now we really have taken this Virus under control to prevent it from spreading out even further than what it has seven forty five the end with a twelve hour shift ernest. Patty today was definitely busier. Intubate patients with suspected over disease. It seemed like the volume with keeping up again a bit. Although not as bad as it was a few weeks ago you can hear the noises still somewhat lower than it was when I lasted so I'm hopeful keeping things under control. Although we still have to maintain our vigilance let our guard down because these people are still coming in to the same degree they say stay healthy long Dr Ernest Patty from the Saint Barnabas Medical Center in the Bronx. You recognize him. We have been checking in with Dr Patty every week for a few weeks. Now he is the emergency medicine chief at the very hard hit. Emergency Room at St Barnabus in the Bronx in New York That little dispatched from him was from just this past week and you can hear from him. This sort of mix of hope and worry. You know hope that the the numbers won't tick back up to be as bad as they were but also some worry from him as what he describes as the noises humans the noises from all the ventilators start to ping again constantly in the background in his emergency room as they do continue to get new patients who are in acute distress but it addition to sending us that dispatch from the St Barnabus. Emergency Room This Week. You will also want to see what else Dr. Patty sent us this week because basically from St Barnabus this week. He sent us a big multi part bundle of hope first of all he to sent us one of these videos. This video shows the release of the five hundred corona virus patient from abyss of five hundred patient who had beaten the virus and been released from the hospital. Patient number five hundred gets to go home to get out of the hospital alive and you can see the health. Workers are so proud right. Even the firefighters came out for the five hundred patient to celebrate his milestone. Dr Patty sent us that Dr. Patty also sent us these pictures of his co workers from Saint Martin outside after sending off that five hundred patient trying to encourage everyone with signs that say Keep calm and think positively and this Sun will come out tomorrow and we will overcome this Dr Patty also send us pictures of the stuff that he and his colleagues have been sent from all over America. Regular Americans trying to lend support to try to like bolster and support and shows Show a desire to help the Saint Barnabus doctors and nurses in what they're doing and it's an amazing collection of stuff from all sorts of people who perceive all sorts of needs a woman named mortgage in Silver Springs Maryland. Sent in Respiratory Equipment Respirator Masks Dr. Patty received what he called an enormous box of Hawaiian themes gifts and treats from Darlene. In Honolulu. Who used to live in New York City? Wanted US in that. Iris who works at planned? Parenthood in Ohio sent the Saint Barnabus. Emergency Room some masks Beth in Chicago sent what she called her own personal supply of maths. So you see the appreciation both of people sending that stuff to Saint Barnabus but also the appreciation of this Saint Barnabus physician. Do you believe people are being so kind? So it's nice. I mean that mutuality is is nice to see. I mean honestly big picture in the news. Things are terrible. Obviously we are closing in on one point three million cases in this country we are over seventy seven thousand American deaths at this point the unemployment rate today fourteen point seven percent which is the worst level of unemployment in this country since the Great Depression do not need to qualify it any other way the Associated Press tonight reporting at the highest levels of the White House there was political intervention to block the CDC from issuing practical guidance about how businesses and services could safely reopen without risking people getting infected there the White House at the highest levels intervened to block the CDC from releasing that guidance to the American people which would save lives because the White House is encouraging all sorts of states to open up the CDC produce guidelines how to do that safely the White House blocked it and then the White House overtly when they were asked when when they were asked about the CDC guidance they said Oh that that guidance wasn't actually approved by the CDC actually the CDC prove it and the White House blocked. Things are bad. I get it. I mean if there's one thing that's worse than astonishingly botched response an existentialist challenging pandemic that is killing tens of thousands of Americans on an ongoing basis. If there's one thing that is worse than that? It's maybe an astonishingly botched response to that kind of an epidemic. That just keeps getting worse over time. Right where the public health people and the scientists are actually exerting less control over the country's response over time rather than more were the scientists and the public health people who actually know what to do are getting more and more muscled as the terrible response of government continues and actually gets worse day by day. So I I got. Everything's terrible I know. And we're going to cover a bunch of that stuff over the course of this hour tonight including a look at what might be the worst state in the country in terms of how the epidemic response is being botched. And how the people of that state are being prevented from knowing the truth about the scale of the disaster. There things are bad. I know we will. We will cover. We'll still continue covering all the badness of it but for a hot second here on this Friday night. I do just want to cover one piece of this. That is something constructive and innovative and good. So forgive me. Let's let's go back to Dr Patty at St Barnabas for you might remember something. Caught my attention in this photo that we showed from. Dr Patty go and you see. He's got his respirator on. He's got his face. Shield up on the top of his head. He's got his P. and he's got his gloves on but you can see the sticker of himself the sticker of his own face that little picture of a smiling. Dr Patty that is put on his medical gown as Sticker Dr. Patty had told us that somebody sent that to him. Among all the people who've been sending him and his stuff great stuff. Somebody sent that picture of him with his head shot so that his fires patients could see his face and know that there was a human being behind. All that protective gear turns out. There is a kind of amazing story behind that that sticker with Dr Patties photo on it was sent to him by somebody who's never met in real life Her name Lori Justice shock it. She is an artist but she also has a medical degree and she is married to an er doctor and she is the mom and step mom of two more ER doctors. She is connected and right now. One of the things she has started doing is making P. P. Portrait's for medical staff who wear full protective gear when taking care of their patients. So you the doctor or you. The nurse sent her the smiling photo of yourself. She will print laminate and mail a sheet of P. P. E. Portrait's that you can stick onto the outside of your PCP gear so you're terrified patients who can't actually see really any of your face. They can at least have some idea of who you are and what you really look like and where this idea came from. I had no idea was the Bulla outbreak in Liberia. In two thousand fourteen in two thousand fifteen an American artist named Mary Beth Heffernan who teaches at Occidental College She was moved ends intrigued by the images of the full spacesuit like that health workers were wearing while caring for people with Ebola in Liberia and she started studying. It also created the P. Portrait project describing it as an art intervention designed improve improve Ebola care and this was this was not a whim it was not a small thing and it was not an easy thing. This was eight deeply research grant funded project focusing on the psychological effects of isolation on patients and ultimately the beneficial effects of puncturing that isolation by allowing them to connect better with their providers. Mary Heffernan the artist was invited by the government of Liberia to come work with doctors at Ebola Treatment Centers in two thousand fourteen twenty fifteen. She told us that she has always hoped that what she started doing. In Liberia this years ago would become best medical practice for all kinds of patients who have to experience the isolation of never seeing people outside of PP seeing only masked faces for days at a time. Well now this epidemic that we are in appears to be putting her idea into a fact putting her putting her idea at the center of consciousness at least in more and more places it was. Heffernan the PPA portrait project in Liberia for the Ebola crisis. That inspired Laurie. Who saw Dr? Patty Saint Barnabus here on this show and then she sent Dr Patty his portrait. And that's why we were able to see him where it the same work. Also inspired a Stanford University researcher who works on Quality Improvement of patient. Care as the cove. Nineteen epidemic drove tens of thousands of patients into American hospitals and American frontline health providers everywhere were into full p. Pp whenever they could get their hands on it the Stanford researcher. Katie Brown. Johnson got in touch with Mary. Beth Heffernan and now they are working together on a project at Stanford that provides portraits to hospitals across the country. They have a diy version of the project on the web which is basically a template that health workers Can Use to do this. I will also tell you that we got kind of hilarious off shoot of this idea from a brother and sister team named Linda and Jack Jack was recently being treated for cancer at the hospital during the covert nineteen epidemic and after seeing all the medical workers dressed head to toe in protective gear jock and his sister Linda and their other siblings decided to design their own sort of homegrown home conceived version of this very fancy Art World High Level Medical World Idea and what Jack and Linden their siblings came up with is version of it. That is sort of equal parts awesome and hilarious and slightly unsettling. Look Be Holt. It is the Selfie mask. This isn't you printing portrait of your straight to camera smiling face on a sticker that you put on your gown. This is you approximating the look of your face as kind of a mask overlay. It's like wearing a face suit of yourself on your face. They they tell us they've now made a bunch of them at the hospital is being treated for cancer. This Jackson colleges varying is look at that he could shave that goatee. Nobody would ever know Jacqueline Linda's brother Andy helped him come up with a fairly simple way to augment normal two d image of a person's face so that it could rob around traditional mascot traditional face covering along with the link to the Stanford Template for health workers to get those portrait's their PCs gowns will post a link on motto blog dot Com to the selfie Mask Web tool that lets you upload an image and print for yourself just in case you to want to stop walking the dog looking like this and instead want to start walking the dog wearing your own face on your face right. I told you. It's like equal parts hilarious and awesome and unsettling but it comes from this idea that is deeply rooted in patients needing that human connection with their providers and it turns out to have pretty good data a pretty good data basis in terms of understanding how this can help patients when they are otherwise at the what be the worst and most scared time in their lives. Joining Snail is Katie. Brad Johnson. Who is the research scientist at Stanford University School of Medicine who I just talked about Who helped revive the P? Portrait project invented during the Ebola crisis now being put back into practice for the corona virus. Miss Brown Johnson. Thank you so much for being with US tonight. I have to ask you how much of that dot wrong or if I explained to the basics of it in a way that seems coherent. Oh you're still coherent repeal. Thank you so much for having me on this show. Tell me about the the way this idea which is sort of cute and intriguing and interesting and hearted how it ultimately translates. I mean you. You were serious researcher. In terms of patient patient outcomes and the way that patients interact with their healthcare providers how back and ultimately affect the course of their care. What is your research? So what do we know about how this improves? Thanks for patients. Yeah so so I must social scientists And very interested in a human connection and patient provider connection and so with the fear and isolation that was coming up around coveted. We'd knew we needed to address it right away. So the the research behind this. A warm and content provider connects with the healing mechanisms within a person's own body and p. p. e. obviously it straight up down competence. It it tells you competence right away. the only warrant that you might get would be at PPA portrait. And so that's really some of the basis of the research that has us interested in pursuing this. I can imagine I mean just just seeing Dr Patty wearing his portrait and we talked to him in his apartment so he knew what he looked like and then we had received these video diaries from him in the Er at Saint Barnabas where he is completely covered up and sometimes we have to use subtitles in order to be able to convey what it is that he's saying there is that barrier in terms but being able to see him you are able to make that human connection back to the guy who you recognized or the guy who you might think you could know rather than having this almost alien interaction even while somebody is doing their best to save. Your Life. I mean I think even those of us who aren't patient sort of inherently get how this might work absolutely I think It's really valuable for patients. I I think the exciting thing that we've been We shouldn't have been surprised that we've been surprised at how important this has been for. Healthcare workers so healthcare workers experience a huge amount of burnout in general. And we're really hoping that this will we hear from them already that this really helps them feel humanized and reconnected? And those are the types of things that are going to help our healthcare workers so the types of feelings that are going to help our healthcare workers be able to do the long haul. That cove is really calling for. Katie Brown Johnson research scientists at Stanford University School of Medicine a Katie. Thank you very much for helping. Us understand this tonight. It obviously captured our imagination. A little bit but understanding that this comes from a pretty deep place in terms of your understanding of a patient outcomes. It's really intriguing. Thanks thanks for helping US understand. Thank you so much for having me Rachel. 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Join me as we go into the numbers. Eighty percent of her patients. Don't have insurance right now. Into the choices I have to plan a funeral in the angel corona versus. How is this going to work? And into away through the importance of music is to keep our spirits up into America. A podcast about everyday people and the power that politics policy and a pandemic have in shaping our lives new episode every Monday and Thursday president up. I'm so grateful for the governor's leadership in Iowa so very impressed with her team. Leading the pack Iowa with a Governor Reynolds leadership has been a success story because whether it be the mitigation efforts social distancing efforts and now rolling out testing at a record pace in the state. I'M WHA has stayed in front of this effort we talking about the same Iowa Vice President Mike Pence at the White House this week praising the great success story that is Iowa Iowa leading the pack rolling out testing at a record pace got lots of testing troubles in Iowa. People are waiting like two weeks plus for their results. I don't I'm not sure why. The White House thinks that things are going awesome in Iowa. They have testing trouble. They have several of the fastest growing outbreaks in the country in Iowa. They terribly with social distancing they actually never did a stay at home order and they have lots of I mean. Don't think for me I will say the local press in that part of the country itself appears mystified by this characterization from the White House that Iowa's doing great the Quad City Times out of Eastern Iowa ran with this headline quote pence calls. Iowa's success story as virus related deaths and hospitalizations. Climb that more unregistered. Made a similar point quote although pence this week called Iowa a success story it's handling of the pandemic rates of infection continue to climb across the state when columnist with the Omaha World in Nebraska simply tweeted a picture that success storyline From pence with this caption are we in upside. Are we in the upside down against that? Backdrop Vice President Pence visited Iowa today ended up arriving an hour late after the news broke that his press secretary had tested positive for Corona Virus. Because of that other staff members on board his Flight. Rask to deplane plane and go get tested so the vice president was late by the time he actually landed in Iowa. Iowa was dealing with a flood of headlines about one of the meat processing plants in the state that pence have been bragging about on Wednesday at the White House bragging. About how great it was that it was reopening ahead of yesterday's reopening of Tyson meat processing plant in Waterloo Iowa. The Governor Kim Reynolds had soberly announced that more than four hundred workers at that plant had tested positive. That was yesterday. Today as pence pence was finally belatedly lending. The state was grappling with headlines. About the fact that it's not actually four hundred workers from that one plant like the governor said just yesterday turns out to be more than a thousand workers at that one plant in Waterloo Iowa who have become infected more than a thousand workers from one plant. That's not to mention their families their community contacts. Nothing just the workers over one thousand cases one plant Iowa more than doubled since the governor's sober assurances yesterday for whatever reason the White House seems very invested. Lauding Iowa a great success story. I had to pick a state. I wouldn't pick them. And I mentioned the Omaha World Herald and the reaction of their columnist to that characterization about Iowa part of the country is having trouble honestly a particularly in the places where those states come together one of the reasons that Sioux City Iowa is dealing with one of the worst outbreaks in the whole country is thought to be because of a huge meat processing plant. That's just across the Missouri River in Nebraska Dakota County Nebraska. That County Dakota County just saw a record surgeon new cases their largest number of new cases in one day. Yet at three hundred. Sixty one positives in one day. And that's a county with only twenty thousand people in it. We don't know how many of those positive cases are workers from that Dakota County plant which also just reopened. The plant is not announcing how many of its workers are infected. Nebraska's governor says the plants don't have to say how many of their workers have tested positive. He says it's a business decision. It's their call. But that County Dakota county just across the Missouri River from Sioux City. Iowa Dakota County does have a population of less than twenty thousand people in their up. Fourteen hundred cases overall now not testing in the first place not allowing test results to be made. When they're testing. I mean denying that these outbreaks exist or that they attend to any specific place or workplace is a bad strategy. It's it's a specific kind of bad though to kind of bad that one Nebraska state senator is now calling a political cover up in his state. He joins US next. Stay with us this week. Nebraska's Republican governor. Pete Ricketts announced that the state would no longer release any data on corona virus case numbers in specific meat processing plants. He said counties would have to get a sign off from the individual plants if they want to continue releasing that kind of information governor made that announcement I should say just as just as at least one major plant in the state known to have at least dozens of cases was about to receive the results from testing. All of its workers this announcement from Governor Rick. It's Drew incoming fire from a bunch of places in the state including from state. Senator named Adam more felt who represents parts of Lincoln Nebraska? He said that rickets shutting down public information on the spread of Corona virus. Inside Nebraska's meatpacking plants is quote commonly referred to as a political cover up quote? There's no legitimacy to this is a privacy concern understanding where outbreaks occurring important for the public and the government to know and understand from a mitigation and public safety point of view. No data equals. No spread equals. Victory will eventually say there's zero new cases implants sort of like the claim that zero Nebraska's in prisons have the virus but only because we have tested zero Nebraska. Prison inmates joining us now is Senator Atom Moorefield. He's a state senator from Nebraska. Nice to have you here. Thanks for making time to join US tonight. Thank you for having me. So I am Fixated on your state. Because I feel like governor. Ricketts is mounting a response to this epidemic. That is troubling to me. And it seems even though a lot of states have not great responses. What seems particularly troubling is the lack of data. That's being released to the public. The state's not releasing data on individual nursing homes. That's not releasing data on individual meat plants. Now and as you point out there not even testing any prisoners in the state. I WanNa ask if if you feel like national concern is warranted at this point from those of us in the rest of the country looking at. And what's going on in your state? I absolutely think the national concerns warranted in it's warranted because just releasing aggregate data is dangerous to the public safety because we can't tell as public whether we should be rewarding or keeping accountable public or private institutions. That are doing a good or bad job and frankly right now we should be building. Trust not veiling certain things in secrecy. And that's pretty important because we need to make sure that we are allocating scarce resources To where we need them the most. And if we're not providing specific data the public doesn't know where the actual problems are which means that organizations state like appleseed harketting worker center other folks can't provide critical trading and services for employees employers in public officials. Like me don't fully understand. The scope of the problem is and how well we're doing. All of this plays into the narrative that the governor wants. Which is that. We're ready to open back up. That things are on the upswing. When we haven't even hit our peak yet we are seeing in a number of states Varying levels of transparency. When it comes to how big the outbreaks are individual plants. There aren't federally required Guidelines on these things there's guidelines but there's no actual rules that plants have to follow Some county health departments are state. Health departments have been able to exact promises from individual plants that they will test all of their workers and they will make those results public Nebraska seems to be the least transparent of all states in terms of the number of plants. That aren't saying anything. And where the information that? We'VE GOT ABOUT PROBLEM. Outbreaks comes from anonymous. Tipsters comes from journalists ferreting out the information and it seems like it may ultimately come from Individual County. Health departments defying. This line from the governor. Now that they can't release this information and they have to defer to these businesses. It sort of feels like things are getting worse than Nebraska. And not better over time. It is getting worse and you wouldn't know it from the governor's office but you would know it from the local public health officials that are telling the truth that are coming out and saying hey listen. We have major problems in our savory now like the Republican mayor of Grand Island. I think it's also important to note that if we don't know exactly where the problems are. We can't allocate resources in order to help people and that only plays into the governor's narrative again that were supposed to be ready and for business when in fact we are in the middle of our outbreak. And that's very concerning because the governor seems more concerned about protecting the reputation of businesses which is one of his stated reasons why this information needs to be private rather than saving the lives of Nebraska and protecting the public health public safety of our state state senator from the Great State of Nebraska. I am concerned so much about Nebraska because I like Nebraska alerts and because I really am worried you have one of the worst managed large epidemics in the country. I know that you've been doing your damnedest to squawk about it and to try to improve it. Keep US apprised and keep me honest as we keep covering this. We're going to stay on the story. All right we'll be right back. Stay with us. This I think is a clarifying moment. Senator Pat Roberts is a Republican is the senior. Us Senator from the Great State of Kansas at a Senate hearing yesterday. Here's Senator Roberts expressing concerns about how the operation of meat processing plants is being affected all these covert nineteen outbreaks. That are happening all of those plants for some reason. Here's what he thinks. The problem is the problem is our workers and just this morning they show up at the Platte not numbers that we had hoped for but we at least keep the meat packing plant open. And what's what's happening is that they're not catching the virus at the meat packing plant afterwards afterwards. The problem is the workers. They're not getting infected. Nothing's happening at the plant. It's these people after they go home. It's just a coincidence. That all the meatpacking plants all over the country are having huge outbreaks among their workers. The problem is nothing that's happening at the plants. It's just coincidentally that they all have these terrible worker people who are getting infected elsewhere victimizing the plants health and Human Services Secretary. Alex are echoed. This argument this week on a call with members of Congress. He told them that outbreaks at meat packing plants in this country are due to the quote home and social aspects of lives. Beckoning infected at work. They just all coincidentally happened to be getting infected at home and then coming to work at the same place. It's so weird. That was Wisconsin this week. A lawyer for the Democratic governor of the state was making an argument to the State Supreme Court. This week About why governor? Tony Iverson is a stay at home. Mortars and Wisconsin are so important why they shouldn't be overturned the courts. Conservative chief. Justice interrupted the lawyer with a remark. That for folks I think really seems to clarify and some up going on here. The cases in Brown County and the speed of two weeks surged over tenfold. And Sixty two. Almost eight hundred. That's two weeks that that would be required. Emergency rulemaking so owner due to the meatpacking. No where the Brown county got. The flare wasn't just the regular folks in Brown county giant outbreak in Brown County wasn't the regular folks there. It was just the meat packing people not the regular people so you can't really call that a point of concern about the regular. We're starting to get a better sense of why these huge outbreaks in the middle of our countries seem not to be causing any concern whatsoever among lots of political leaders at least no concern beyond what effects the outbreaks might conceivably have on the plants themselves as opposed to the thousands of people who work in them who are all getting infected there. Those workers are thought of is apparently being not regular. You know two different. Not Part of the real community may be therefore they're not really real people but you know it's one thing to not particularly care what happens to this group of other people to decide what happens to them really has nothing to do with no effect on all of the rest of us and because of that. I want to show you something that was sent to us today. By Data Data Visualization Company. That's called tectonics Map showing the Tyson. Meat Packing plant in CASS county. Indiana in March of this year so this was a plant. You probably heard something about shutdown last month. This is the plant where nine hundred workers. They're tested positive. For covert nineteen forty percent of the workers at that plant. This is a plant in Cass County. Indiana they just reopened yesterday now. All those tiny bluish white dots in there Those are people's mobile devices giving off a signal at that facility. Tectonics used to my location data from cell phones to create an animation of what happened to those mobile devices and the people attached to them. Over the course of the month of March those devices travelled out into the surrounding counties and into surrounding states and then ultimately also across almost the entire country by the end of March people who had been inside the Cass County Tyson. Plant which would eventually be diagnosed with nine hundred corona virus infections among people who work there people had traveled to daily every state in the nation and it it makes sense actually meat processing. Plants are in the middle of a sprawling national supply chain the trump administration and leaders in these states with all these meat packing plant outbreaks. They may want to blame these outbreaks on the workers in these plants and described these outbreaks as no big deal. Because those people but however much you're GONNA have to pay for that at the end of your life when you have to answer for the way you have lived right mail. That sort of prejudice and short-sighted. This is not gonNa make these outbreaks go away and it's not going to magically contain these outbreaks to those workers. There is going to need to be a better plan for this and the clock is ticking. Do you need a best new thing in the world today I do? We've got one that's plural. May I introduce the newest members of the Rachel Maddow? Show family all James and Henry Joseph. Oliver James is the elder brother by four minutes which we are hoping and expecting him to Lord over Henry Joseph their whole happy lives. Both kiddos are perfect. See an absolutely healthy and already speaking up on their own behalf they will of course will be the beginning of a whole new adventure for our beloved producer. Johanna Johanna we are so happy for you and for Mike. 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#98 Government by Blackmail: Jeffrey Epstein, Trumps Mentor and the Dark Secrets of the Reagan Era

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#98 Government by Blackmail: Jeffrey Epstein, Trumps Mentor and the Dark Secrets of the Reagan Era

"You can't handle the truth this report part two of this series titled the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal too-big-to-fail will delve into cones close ties to the Reagan Administration, which was also took mostly tied to the same organized crime Network led by the infamous Mobb figure Meyer Lansky, which was discussed in part. One of particular importance is the Iran-Contra Network a group of Reagan officials and Associates who played key roles in the Iran-Contra scandal though. It has remained relatively unknown for years many key figures in that same network and several fronts for the CIA that were involved in funneling money to the Central American Contra paramilitaries were also trafficking minors for their sexual exploitation and used in sexual blackmail Rings several of these rings made headlines at one point or another over the years from the Callback run by Washington lobbyists Craig Spence to the Franklin child sex and murder ring run by Republican operative Larry King to the Scandal that envelop the Catholic charity Covenant House in the late 1980s yet. Yep. This report will show all of these rings and more were connected to the same network that involved key figures linked to the Reagan White House and link to Roy Cohn revealing the true scope of the sordid sexual blackmail operation sex rings that involved the trafficking of children within the US and even in Central America for their exploitation by dangerous and Powerful pedophiles in the United States appalling for both the villainous abuse of children itself and the chilling implications of government by blackmail. This tangled web of unsavory alliances cast salut red light on the political History of the United States from the prohibition era right up to the present day in the age of trump a fact made increasingly clear as more and more information comes to light in relation to the Jeffrey Epstein case Roy could fix anyone in the city since Donald Trump burst onto the political scene in 2015 off the legacy of his mentor Roy Cohn as well as Combs influence on his most famous Protege have begun to Garner renewed media attention many of the profiles on Cone following Trump's rise have focused so long Uncertain shadowy aspects of cones history particularly his association with major figures in New York organized crime his corrupt dealings and his eventual disbarment. Some of these poor Trails even went so far as to label cone is politically impotent while cone was known to deal with a sizable amount of sleaze in his career such depictions of the man failed to note that he had created an influence machine of unrivaled power package that included some of the most prominent people in media and politics as well. As a Cadre of celebrities cone was closely associated with numerous celebrities famous politicians and political operatives many of his birthday parties over the years attracted such famous figures such as artist Andy Warhol fashion designer Calvin Klein and comedian Joey Adams's as well as notable political figures including former mayor of New York a break beam and then assemblyman from Brooklyn and future Senator Chuck Schumer among others in nineteen seventy-nine Margaret Trudeau mother of current prime minister of Canada. Justin Trudeau attended Combs birthday party. Yep. You famously toppled his custom birthday cake. And of course Donald Trump who became cones Protege in the mid-1970s was a frequent fixture at social events held in cones honor the politicians journalists Liberties invited to cones exclusive parties were said to be those who had opened accounts and Cones favor Bank his nickname for his unofficial balance sheet of political favors and debts that was surely informed and influenced by his extensive involvement in sexual blackmail operations from the 1950s. Well into the nineteen eighty s many of cones celebrity friendships were cultivated through his relationship with and frequent appearances at the famous and famously about yours New York nightclub Studio fifty-four which was described by Vanity Fair as the giddy epicenter of seventies Hedonism a disco Hot House of beautiful people endless cocaine and every kind of sex cone was awful long time lawyer of the club's owners Steve rubell and Ian Schrager among cones closest friends were Barbara Walters to whom cone often referred as his fiance in public and whom he later introduced to the head of the US information. an agency Chadwick and other high rollers in the Reagan white house yet Walters was just one of cones powerful friends in the media a group that also included Abe Rosenthal executive editor of the New York Times. A fire longtime New York Times columnist and New York Magazine contributor and George sakolsky of the New York Herald Tribune NBC and ABC sakolsky was a particularly close friend of both, a former FBI director J Edgar Hoover whose involvement and Cones sexual blackmail operation is described in part one of this investigative series sakolsky ran the American Jewish League against communism with comb several years and the organization later named its Medal of Honor after sakolsky cone was also the attorney and friend of media Mogul Rupert Murdoch and according to New York Magazine whenever Roy wanted a story stopped dead item put in more story exploited Roy called Murdoch and after Murdock bought the New York Post cone wielded the paper as his personal shift according to the late journalist, Robert Parry the friendship between Mirage And Cone first began thanks to their Mutual support for Israel comb also leaned on his lifelong friends since high school sign new house Junior to exert media influence new house oversaw the media Empire that now includes Vanity Fair Vogue GQ the New Yorker and numerous local newspapers throughout the United States as well as major interests in cable television, New York Magazine also noted that cone used his thousands in the early eighties to secure favours for himself and his mob clients and new house Publications. In addition to new house cones other High School Pals generoso Pope Jr. And Richard Berlin later became the owners of The National Enquirer and the Hearst Corporation respectively cone was also a close friend of another media Mogul Mort Zuckerman who along with Rupert Murdoch would go on to befriend Jeffrey Epstein Combs me confidence like journalist William Buckley of the National Review and Firing Line often attacked cones political enemies. Particularly long time Manhattan district attorney Robert morgenthau in their columns, you suck. Cohn is an anonymous source Buckley whom historian George Nash one's called the preeminent voice of American conservatism and its first grade ecumenical figure received the George sakolsky metal alongside Combs blinked client and Supreme Commander Louis Rosenstiel from the cone run American Jewish League against communism in nineteen. Sixty-six. Buckley later. Got a heavily discounted $65,000 loan to buy a luxury boat a bank where cone held influence and who's President Cowen had handpicked according to a 1969 article in Life Magazine Buckley along with Barbara Walters Alan dershowitz and Donald Trump Woodlake serve as character Witnesses for calling during his 1986 disbarment hearings and all but Buckley would later draw controversy for their relationships with Jeffrey Epstein with connections like this. It's no wonder that Stan Friedman a law partner of Comb who was later imprisoned over a kickback and bribery Scandal while serving as New York's Deputy Mayor told journalists, Marie Brenner in nineteen, eighty that Roy could fix anyone in the city dead. Politically ubiquitous and polygamous Roy cones favor bank and his unique position as a liaison between the criminal Underworld the Rich and Famous and top Media influencers made him a force to be reckoned with them yet. It was his political connections to leadership figures in both the Republican and Democratic parties and his close relationship to longtime FBI director J. Edgar Hoover among other figures that made him and his dark secret touchable for much of his life though. Most of his political influence was forged in the 1950s cone became even more powerful with the rise of Ronald Reagan, even though he nominally maintained his affiliation with the Democratic party throughout his life cone was a well-known fixer for Republican candidates. And this is clearly seen in his outsized roles during the 1976 and 1980 presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan took during the latter that cone would meet another of his Protege Rodger Stone whom he infamously instructed to leave a hefty bribe tucked in a suitcase at the doorstep of the liberal party's headquarters during the nineteen eighty campaign director. This campaign cone would also meet Paul manafort an associate of stone and later Trump's 2016 campaign manager and introduce both to Donald Trump Combs law partner. Tom Boland was also an influential force in the Reagan campaign and later chaired Reagan's transition team in nineteen. Eighty Reagan then named Bolen whom he considered a friend a director of the overseas private Investment corporation, the governments development financial institution. And he was also the New York Finance co-chairman in the Reagan campaign in both nineteen. Eighty and Nineteen Eighty-Four Bolen was also close to others in cone Circle such as William F Buckley Jr. Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch. Furthermore. Bolen was instrumental in securing Federal judgeships for several individuals who would later become influential including future FBI director Louis. Freeh cone was also able get friends of clients appointed as federal judges including Donald Trump's sister Maryanne Trump Barry after Barry was appointed as a federal judge Trump called cone to thank him for pulling strings on his sister's behalf. The cone was not given a public position in the Reagan Administration. He was not nearly a dirty trickster who worked in the shadows during the Reagan campaigns. In fact, he worked closely with some of the more visible faces of the campaign including the then communications director for Reagan's nineteen eighty campaign and later CIA director William Casey according to Christine. See more cones longtime switchboard operator from the late nineteen sixty Gene up until his death in 1986 who listened in on his calls Casey and Cone were close friends and during the nineteen eighty campaign. Casey called Roy almost daily Seymour also noted that one of cones off most frequent phone Pals and closest friends was Nancy Reagan, and she was also one of his clients Reagan whose influence over her husband was well-known was so close to Cone that it was largely his death from AIDS took her to encourage her husband to seek more funding for AIDS research prior to cones death Nancy and her husband Ronald secured his spot on an exclusive experimental AIDS treatment program. Despite the Reagan Administration. As well documented non response to the AIDS crisis of the era. Ronald Reagan was also a friend of cones and according to late journalist, Robert Parry lavished favors on Cone including invitations to White House events personal thank you notes and friendly birthday wishes over the course of his presidency given that Reagan heavily courted the Evangelical right and promoted family values as president. The close ties between not only himself but his inner circle with cone may seem odd. However, Reagan light cone had deep ties to the same organized crime factions that were among cones clients and Affiliates of the same Mafia figures close to Cone Zone or Louis Rosenstiel see part one not unlike cone Reagan's own Mentor Lew Wasserman had close ties to the Mob Wasserman the longtime president of MCA and the well-known Hollywood Mogul is known for not only making Reagan's film and television career, but also supporting his successful push to become president of the Screen Actors Guild which later launched Reagan's political career in addition m c e Was a major financier of Reagan's successful gubernatorial bid in nineteen sixty-six and not long after Reagan became president his administration controversially shut down a massive Department of Justice doj wage probe into MCAS ties to organized crime according to Sean swords a documentary filmmaker who explored Reagan's ties to MCA in wages of spin to bring down that wall. Ronald Reagan was an opportunist. His whole career was Guided by MCA by Wasserman and MCA founder Jule styne who bragged that Reagan was malleable that they could do what they wanted with him that thing about Reagan being tough on organized crime. That's a fallacy swords characterization of this relationship is supported by an unnamed Hollywood Source cited in a Declassified doj document who called Regan a complete slave of amca who would do their bidding on anything what elements of organized crime were connected to Wasserman has a young man Lew Wasserman joined the Mayfield Road gang, which was run by Moe dalitz a close friend of mine wage. Lansky Hooper the FBI was a powerful figure in Lansky's criminal Enterprise second only to Lansky himself among members of the Jewish mob Lew Wasserman would later married with Beckerman whose father was Dallas is lawyer wasserman's closest friend and lawyer. Sydney korshak also had close ties to dalits and once partnered with Lansky in the Acapulco Towers Hotel. Notably. The magazine New West stage in nineteen Seventy-Six. That korshak was The Logical successor to Meyer Lansky korshak as a lawyer fit a niche similar to Roy Cohn and gained a reputation as the bridge between organized crime and respectable Society in addition the doj probe into MCA that the Reagan Administration quashed was reportedly spurred after the justice department learned that an influential member of the gambino crime family Salvador pisillo was doing business with the massive entertainment company at that time the boss of the gambino crime family Paul Castellano was a client of Roy Kone Kone Murdoch and the contras though cones influence in the rain. Administration and his friendship with the Reagan family and their Inner Circle has been acknowledged less well-known is how cone aided the cia's covert propaganda efforts that were part of the larger Scandal known as Iran-Contra took whose influence over the Press has already been detailed forged close ties with the director of the US information agency Chadwick even hosting a luncheon and Wicks honor that was widely attended by influential figures in the conservative press as well as senators and representatives soon after then CIA director and Cone friend William Casey was spearheading an extensive PR campaign aimed at Shoring up public support for Reagan's Latin American policies, including support of the Contra paramilitaries. This domestic propaganda effort was technically illegal and required the the CIA Outsource the job to the private sector to minimize the risk of Fallout has Robert Peary reported in 2015, which took the lead in obtaining private funding for the effort and just a few days after which promised to find private support cone brought his close friend the medium. Oh God. Rupert Murdoch to the White House Perry later noted that after this meeting documents released during the Iran-Contra scandal in nineteen-eighty-seven and later from the Reagan Library indicate that Murdock was soon viewing a source for the private funding for the propaganda campaign after that initial meeting Murdock became the top media Ally of this Casey directed propaganda effort and also became increasingly close to the Reagan White House Murdock as a consequence benefited greatly from Reagan's policies and his friendship with the administration which allowed Murdoch to increase his Us Media Holdings and to create the fox Broadcasting Corporation in nineteen-eighty-seven. The man in the black tuxedo Roy Cohn was not the only one close to the Reagan Administration who was simultaneously running sexual blackmail operations that abused and exploited children. In fact, there were several figures all of whom shared direct connections to CIA director William Casey and other close friends and confidants of cone. One of these individuals was Robert Keith Gray the former chairman and CEO. The powerful washington-based public relations firm of Hill and Knowlton which sixty minutes once called an unelected Shadow government do to its influence in the capital. According to the Washington Post gray himself with one of the most sought-after lobbyists in Washington and a post reporter once called him a kind of Legend in this town the man in the black tuxedo with Snow White hair and a smile like a diamond yet gray was much more of a powerful PR executive. Hello everyone. We want to thank you for listening to our podcast and remind you that while it is free, there are ads so that we can keep it free bringing you the whole truth costs money in the form of the time are people used to bring you all this honest information. All you have to do is subscribe and listen then the advertisers will help support us. Our current sponsor is Anchor. FM. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer birth. Her will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast took one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor FM to get started today. If you support our work, please feel free to donate now back to the cast gray who had previously been a close adviser to both Dwight D Eisenhower and Richard Nixon was a very successful Republican fundraiser who collects money in six-figure Globs according to a 1974 report in the Washingtonian. He first came into close contact with what would become Ronald Reagan's Inner Circle during Reagan's unsuccessful 1976 presidential campaign and later his deputy director of communications during Reagan's campaign in nineteen. The latter position would see him work directly under William Casey who later became CIA director grey would go on to coach are Reagan's inauguration committee and afterwards would return to the pr business job. Taking on several clients including Saudi arms dealer Adnan khashoggi and hedge fund manager Marc Rich both khashoggi and Rich will be discussed more in detail in part three of this report. Particularly Rich who's in a set of Israeli intelligence outfit Mossad and who's later criminal. Pardon by Bill Clinton was largely orchestrated by members of the mega group like Michael steinhardt and Israeli politicians like a who'd Barak with the connection between gray and Casey is particularly telling as it was later revealed by former Nebraska state senator turned investigator, John de camp that gray was a specialist in homosexual blackmail operations for the situation and was reported to have collaborated with Roy Cohn in those activities Conan gray were likely to have known each other. Well as during Reagan's nineteen eighty presidential campaign Casey then grazed boss was calling Roy Cohn every day. According to cones former switchboard operator Christine. See more gray was a known associate of CIA agent and Naval intelligence officer Edwin Wilson having served in the 1970s on the birth. Consultants International an organization that Wilson had founded and that the CIA used as a front company though gray attempted to distance himself from Wilson after the latter was caught illegally selling weapons to Libya in nineteen eighty-three and AV review of Wilson's intelligence career on Earth by journalist, Peter Maas stated that gray described Wilson as a man of unqualified trust and that gray and Wilson had been in professional contact two or three times a month as early as 1963 though Wilson's main specialty was front companies used to covertly ship and smuggle Goods on behalf of us intelligence. He also ran sexual blackmail operations Thursday, I a particularly around the time of the Watergate scandal according to his former partner and fellow agent at the CIA Frank terpil turple later told author and investigative journalist. Jim Hogan took Eric Lee. One of Wilson's agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses of Congress by any means necessary certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasy In the Flesh a ROM. Terms of these occasions was permanently recorded via selected cameras. The technicians in charge of filming were TSD Technical Services Division of the CIA, the unwitting pornos Stars advanced in their political careers some of whom may still be in office according to turple Wilson ran his operation out of the Georgetown Club owned by lobbyists and Korean intelligence asset Thompson Park according to the Washington Post Park set up the club on behalf of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency as a primary means in an illegal effort to influence us politicians and officials the president of the Georgetown Club at the time of Wilson's alleged activities at the site was Robert Keith Gray DeCamp later reported that Wilson's activities were a spin-off of the same sexual blackmail operation in which cone became involved during the McCarthy ERA with Louis Rosenstiel injector Hoover father Ritter and his favorite youths the operation allegedly ran by grey and Wilson was not the only sexual blackmail operation connected to cones Network or two influential American politicians job. The era another pedophile Network that was connected to a close associate of former President George HW Bush in the early 1990s was run as an affiliate of the Catholic charity Covenant House, which was founded and run by father Bruce Ritter in nineteen. Sixty-eight Ritter asked his Superior Cardinal Francis Spellman of the Archdiocese of New York for permission to take homeless teenagers boys and girls into his home in Manhattan as was noted in part. One of this series Spelman was accused of pedophilia and ordained known pedophiles while serving as the highest-ranking Catholic priest in the United States Spelman was also a close associate client and friend of Roy Cohn as well as of his law partner Tom Boland and Spellman was alleged to have been seen at at least one of cones blackmail parties in addition. Spellman's nephew said Spelman worked for Roy Cohn according to Life Magazine Ritter like Spelman and other priests who served under Spelman was eventually accused of having sexual relationships with many of the underaged boys. He had taken in a name. Bending Covenant House funds on lavish gifts and payments to the vulnerable teenagers. He exploited one of Ritter's victims Daryl Bassel wrote an open letter to him a year after the priests praying on teenage boys was exposed by the Press you were wrong for inflicting your desires on a fourteen-year-old. I know that someday you will stand before the one who judges all of us and at that time there will be no more denial just a truth notably wage when Ritter's activities at covenant House were exposed in nineteen eighty-nine by the New York Post Charles M Senate the post reporter who wrote the story would later state that the secular Powers more than the Archdiocese or the Francisco protected him Ritter Senate's report was attacked viciously by columnists and other New York media Outlets powerful politicians, including then governor of New York Mario Cuomo as well as by Cardinal Spellman successful or Cardinal John O'Connor the likely reason these secular Powers came to the aid of the embattled Ritter who was never charged for having sexual relationships with minors and was merely forced to resign from his post. Is that coveted job. House and Ritter himself were deeply tied to Robert McCauley Bush senior's roommate at Yale and a long time friend of the Bush family. Macaulay was described by the New York Times as instrumental to Covenant House fundraising after he joined its board in nineteen eighty-five and brought on several other wealthy or well-connected people including former government officials and investment bankers, mccolley's organization. The americares foundation choice later accused of funneling money to the contras in Central America was one of the main sources of funding of Covenant House. One of the members of americares Advisory Board was William E Simon former US Secretary of the Treasury under the Nixon and Ford administrations who also ran the Nicaraguan Freedom fund which sent Aid to the contras americares was also known to work directly with us intelligence has the Hartford Courant know back in nineteen. Ninety one knowledgeable former Federal officials many with backgrounds in intelligence work help americares maneuver in delicate International political environments. Furthermore. Ritter was known to have thought Mccolley's Connecticut estate and served as Vice President of America cares until he was forced to resign from Covenant House. Notably George HW Bush's brother Prescott was also on the Americas Advisory board after George HW Bush died last year americares stated that he had been instrumental in founding the hell focussed relief and development organization years before Ritter was outed as a pedophile who played on the disadvantaged and vulnerable teenagers who sought Refuge at his charity Covenant House was praised heavily by President Ronald Reagan even earning a mention in his 1984 State of the Union Address, which called rid of one of the country's unsung heroes from 1985 to 1989 Covenant House is operating budget Grew From $27 to ninety million dollars and it's board came to include powerful individuals including top Executives at IBM Chase Manhattan bank and bear Stearns. It was during this time that Covenant House grew into an international organization opening branches in several countries including Canada, Mexico. And elsewhere in Central America its first branch in Central America was opened in Guatemala and was headed by Roberto elezar a CIA asset whose Plantation was used to train the troops used in the CIA. The failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Alisara was also an associate of the former us back dictator of Nicaragua, Anastasio Somoza and a member of the Knights of Malta a Catholic order to which former CIA director William Casey and Roy Combs law partner Tomball and also belonged a less arzu. Also worked for americares. Hen was tied to several Central American paramilitary groups intelligence Community sources cited by DeCamp assert that the stars who led branch of Covenant House procured children for a pedophile ring based in the United States years later micasa and other us run charity and wash all of the George HW Bush had personally toured with his wife Barbara in Nineteen. Ninety Four was accused of rampant pediphilia and child abuse the downfall of Washington's Jay Gatsby after having left his job as a nabob. C News correspondent in the 1980s Craig spends found success as a prominent conservative Washington lobbyists spends would soon find his fortunes shift dramatically. When in June nineteen eighty-nine, it was revealed. He had been pimping out children to the power elite in the nation's capital throughout the nineteen-eighties in apartments that were bugged with video and audio recording equipment much like Jeffrey Epstein who ran a similar operation spends often likened to Jay Gatsby the mysterious wealthy figure from the well-known Fitzgerald novel The Great Gatsby a 1982 New York Times article written about Spence said that his personal phone book and party guest list constitute a who's who in Congress government and journalism and stated that Spence was hired by his clients as much for whom he knows as what he knows. Spence was also known to throw lavish parties, which the time described as glittered with notables from ambassador's to television stars from Senators to senior State Department officials Roy Cohn William, Casey Android cones journalist friend, William safire were just some of the page Attendees at Spencer's festivities according to mister Spence the Times article continues Richard Nixon is a friend. So his former Attorney General under Nixon John Mitchell CBS journalist. Eric's every is termed an old dear friend Senator. John Glenn is a good friend and Peter Austin of British actor and journalists is an old old friend notably Austin of wrote for the European newspaper soon after it was founded in nineteen ninety by Robert Maxwell, the father of Epstein's alleged Madam Glenn Maxwell and a known Mossad agent. It was revealed just seven years after the times published its doting profile of Spence that glittery parties for key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations media stars and top Military Officers had been bugged in order to compromise guests according to the explosive report published by the Washington Times. Spence was linked to a homosexual prostitution ring whose clients include a government officials. Locally-based US Military Officers businessmen lawyers Bankers Congressional aides media Representatives down. Other professionals Spence also offered cocaine to his guests as another means of acquiring blackmail according to the report spends. His home was bugged and had a secret two-way mirror and he attempted to ensnare visitors into compromising sexual encounters that he could then use as leverage one man. Who spoke to the Washington Times said that spends sent a limousine to his home which took him to a party where several young men tried to become friends with him. According to DeCamp Spence was known to offer young children for sex to attend. He's at his blackmail parties along with illegal drugs, like cocaine several other sources including a Reagan White House official and an Air Force Sergeant who had attended Spence hosted parties confirmed that Spence's house was filled with recording equipment, which he regularly used to spy on and record guests and his house also included a two-way mirror used for eavesdropping the report also documented Spence's connections to us intelligence particularly the CIA according to the Washington Times report Spence often boasted that he was working for the job. And on one occasion said he was going to disappear for a while because he had an important CIA assignment. He was also quite paranoid about his alleged work for the agency has he expressed concern that the CIA to double-cross him and kill him instead and then make it look like a suicide not long after the Washington Times report on his activities was published Spence was found dead in the Boston Ritz-Carlton and his death was quickly off the suicide the Washington Times report also offers a clue as to what spends may have done for the CIA as it's cited sources that had claimed that spends had spoken of smuggling cocaine into the US from El Salvador home and operation that he claimed had involved US military personnel given the timing of these comments from Spence Spence his powerful connections and the cia's involvement in the exchange of cocaine for weapons in the Iran-Contra scandal. His comments may have been much more than just boasts intended to impress his party guests one of the most critical parts of the Scandal surrounding spends. However was the fact that he had been able to enter the White House life. At night during the George HW Bush Administration with young men whom the Washington Times described as call boys spends later stated that his contacts within the White House which allowed him and his call boys access were off level officials and he specifically singled out George HW Bush's then National Security advisor, Donald Greg Greg had worked at the CIA since 1951 before he resigned in nineteen eighty-two to become National Security advisor to Bush who was then vice president prior to resigning from his post at the CIA. Greg had worked directly under William Casey and in the late 1970s alongside a young William barg stonewalling the Congressional Pike committee and church committee which investigated the CIA beginning in nineteen seventy-five among the things that they were tasked with investigating where the cia's love traps or sexual blackmail operations used to lure foreign diplomats to bug departments complete with recording equipment and two-way mirrors bar would later become Bush's attorney general rising to that post yet again under Trump furthermore wage. Bars father worked for the precursor to the CIA the office of strategic Services OSS and recruited a young Jeffrey Epstein then a high school dropout to teach at the elite Dalton school from which Epstein was later fired a year prior to hiring Epstein Donald bar published a science fiction fantasy novel about sex slavery. Notably the same year Donald bar hired Epstein. His son was working for the CIA. The bill bar has refused calls to recuse himself from the Epstein case, even though he worked at the same Law Firm that has represented Epstein in the past. Donald Gregg is also connected to Roy Combs influence machine took his daughter's marriage to Christopher Buckley the son of conservative journalist William Buckley close Confidant and friend of both Roy Cohn & cones law partner Tom Boland the Washington Times reports on Spence's child sex ring also revealed his close ties to none other than the ubiquitous Roy Cohn one of the times sources for its first story on the Scandal alleged that he had attended a birthday party for Roy Cohn that spends at home. His home and that CIA director William Casey was also in attendance Spence was also said in the report too often brag about his social Companions and regularly mentioned cone and claim to have hosted Coney Waffle House on occasions other than the aforementioned birthday party bodies by God. The revelation of Craig Spence is call Boy ring soon led to the discovery of the infamous Franklin child sex abuse and ritual murder scan that sorted operation was run out of Omaha, Nebraska by Larry King a prominent local Republican activist and lobbyist who ran the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union until it was shut down by federal authorities buried in am a 1989 article in the Omaha World-Herald probe into Kings Credit Union and sex ring is a telling Revelation in the six and a half months since Federal authorities closed Franklin rumors home listed that money from the credit union somehow found its way to the Nicaraguan Contra Rebels the possibility that Kings fraudulent Credit Union was covertly funding the contras was supported by subsequent reporting by the huge. Post Pete Brewton who discovered that the CIA in conjunction with organized crime had secretly borrowed money from various Savings and Loans S&L institutions to fund covert operations. One of SNL's had Neil Bush George HW Bush's son on its board and it had done business with Kings organization another link between king and the Iran-Contra team is the fact that King had co-founded and subsequently donated over $25,000 to an organization affiliated with the Reagan Administration citizens for America which sponsored speaking trips for lieutenant colonel Oliver North and Contra leaders, the director of citizens for America at the time was David Carmen who simultaneously ran a public relations firm with the former head of covert operations at the case. He led CIA his father Gerald who had also been appointed by Reagan had the general Services Administration and to a subsequent ambassadorship one of the investigative journalists who researched the Craig Spence ring later told DeCamp that Spence's ring was connected to King the way we discussed wage. Larry King and his nebraska-based call Boy ring was by looking through the credit card sheets of Spencer's ring where we found Kings name. It was later revealed that King and Spence were essentially business partners as their child trafficking Rings were operated under a larger group. That was nicknamed bodies by God exactly. How many groups operated under this umbrella group bodies by God is unknown yet. What is known is that the Rings Wrong by both King and Spence were connected to each other and both were also connected to prominent officials in the Reagan and subsequent George HW Bush administration's including officials with ties to the CIA and Roy comb his Network indeed Spence just months before his alleged suicide in the Boston Ritz-Carlton had hinted to Washington Times reporters, Michael Hedges and Jerry super who had originally broken the story that they had merely scratched the surface of something much darker all the stuff you've uncovered involving call boys bribery and the White House tours. To be honest with you is insignificant compared to other things I've done but I'm not going Tell you those things and somehow the world will carry on. It is also worth noting the role of the FBI in all of this particularly in the Franklin child sex abuse Scandal indeed. Larry King's child abuse ring was quickly and aggressively covered up by the FBI which used a variety of underhanded tactics to bury the reality of King sorted operation here. It is important to recall the key role former FBI director J Edgar Hoover played in similar sexual blackmail operations that abused children see part I and the close relationship between Hoover Roy Cohn and Louis Rosenstiel who later employed Hoover's former right off hand man at the FBI Louis Nichols years later documents released by the FBI would show that Epstein became an FBI informant in 2008. When Robert Mueller was the bureau's director in exchange for immunity from then pending federal charges a deal that fell through with Epstein's recent arrests on new federal charges. In addition former. FBI director Louis. Freeh would be hired by Alan dershowitz who is accused. Of raping girls at Epstein's homes and was once a character witness for Roy Cohn to intimidate Epstein's victims has previously mentioned freeze past appointment as a judge for the United States district court for the southern district of New York was orchestrated by cones law partner Tom Boland. Thus the FBI's cover-up of the Franklin case is just one example of the bureau's long-standing practice of protecting these pedophile ring when they involve members of the American political Elite and provide the bureau with a steady supply of blackmail had also makes it worth questioning the impartiality of one of the main prosecutors in the Jeffrey Epstein case Maureen, who is the daughter of former FBI director James Comey the rod at the top while there were several sexual trafficking operations connected to both Roy Cohn and the halls of power under the Reagan Administration in a matter of months after cones death. It appears that another individual became a central figure in the powerful Network that cone had cultivated that individual Jeffrey Epstein would be recruited after his firing from the Dalton School. By Alan Greenberg a close friend of cone to work at Bear Stearns after leaving bear Stearns and working as an alleged Financial Bounty Hunter for clients that are said to have included the Iran-Contra linked arms dealer Adnan khashoggi Epstein would come into contact with Leslie Wexner a billionaire close to the Meyer Lansky link bronfman family who himself was tied to members of organized crime syndicates once represented by kolin off the same year that Wexner would begin his decades-long association with Epstein and other cone friend with ties to the Reagan White House and the Trump family Ronald Lauder would provide Epstein with an Austrian passport containing jeans picture, but a false name Lauder Wexner and the bronfman's are members of an elite organization known as the mega Group, which also includes other Meyer Lansky connected philanthropists, like hedge fund manager Michael steinhardt wage while Epstein shares considerable overlap with the network described in this report and part one of the series he is also deeply connected to the mega group as well as its associates including ghislaine Maxwell's father dead. Maxwell part three of the series will focus on the mega group and its ties to the network that has been described in Parts one and two in addition the role of the state of Israel the Mossad and several Globe a pro-israel Lobby organizations will also be discussed in relation to this network of sexual blackmail operations. And Jeffrey Epstein it is here that the full breadth of the Epstein Scandal comes into view. It is a criminal and unconscionable blackmail operation that has been run by influential figures hidden in plain sight for over half-a-century exploiting and destroying the lives of Untold numbers of children in the process over the years. It has grown many branches and spread well beyond the United States has seen by the activity of Covenant House in Latin America and Epstein's own International effort to recruit more girls to be abused and exploited all this has taken place with the full knowledge and blessing of top figures in the world of philanthropy and in the US government and intelligence communities with great influence over several presidential administrations, particularly since birth. eyes of Ronald Reagan and continuing through to Donald Trump

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We're going to tell you about that in a minute because when we left you yesterday, we thought we were disclosed today twenty four hours later, twenty hours to be exact. We're still not sure. It is five weeks to the moment five weeks to the moment that the big ten shutdown and are they ready to come back? Well, yes. If you're paying close attention to what the University of Nebraska President had to say earlier today, he was on a hot Mike. And he said, get ready for a big ten announcement tonight. would you mind saying that again? Every time. HUSKER's big pots. I i. heard that that was happening. I didn't. Think there's a lot of anticipation about that. Good, for you, maybe they'll get off your plate. Never will. It's good moving right direction. By the way we've all learned any of us who make a living behind a mic learn. There are some things you should never say and I've said many but he tried to walk it back later. But. Still most people believe we are that close. So we sold on yet. We're waiting for announcement and we will break into. Well, we want to break. We're already on live, but we'll tell you when we hear that's not the only story making the rounds today. PAC twelve is thinking about coming back not tonight nothing here on a hot Mike. Just. According to heather which maybe by Thanksgiving. That will not be in time for the College Football Playoff and quite frankly you won't really matter when you consider the PAC twelve record of not having won a national championship in a while meanwhile down on the by you. lsu prioritizing tickets for students who get tested. That's not the only story coming out of their day but that's the one that involves the students. GET TESTED YOU'RE GONNA TICKET Meanwhile over dog land. Mathis making a lot of noise and the athletic riding why? The key battle would be more than A. Great Story here on Capitol Hill Today. College athletics was back. On. Center stage. It was not pretty. It was a pretty ugly to be honest with you. But what isn't on Capitol Hill. We got a lot to do today on the program. We'll try to get to the bottom of the the big ten story we're heading out to Nebraska. In short order will also talk to a number of other people today including the head football coach at Notre Dame about that Brian. Kelly join us and under an hour. Easily the best known guest of the day, we'll talk to Philip Stubbs later on. About what happened in? Washington. Today, what could be happening in the big ten. Read Sworn Amon. Covers the aggies? and Bill Conley ESPN will also Join, US your phone. Calls are also welcome at eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five, and we begin with Thomas Who's in Florida Hello Thomas. Eight call how are you? We are great. Thank you for calling. You welcome Sir a couple of quick things Kind of lost show yesterday or the day before the US, news and World Report re releasing their annual College and university rankings academic. Yes. And I WANNA give my alma mater shoutout. It's part of a ten year plan but University of Florida's now number six among national universities. Pass Georgia Tech and tied with UC Irvine. University as a goal to get a a top five finish in that ranking and Just thought I give a shout out. The better we do better the SEC looks so just starting to say that. I did not realize that but that's always very important. Ranking. A lot of reputations are made by the US news and Appreciate you telling me I'll I'll definitely. Check it out Bryant is up. Hey Brian. Good afternoon to you and welcome to the program. Try that again Brian there. Yeah. This is Brian from thanks for taking my call. I get you off of the subject you've been on for a long time. We'll talk to you about you coverage of Alabama, football way back last time I talked to you. We got cut off at the end and you said that you covered barry for their lives three years. Then you. Picked up on a right perkins. Sure did. And and he's he's tied to run the out of the place. Right how did you follow Bill Curry? No. I I cover. Covered them all. Yeah. Perkins Donnelly tried to give your now try perkins tried to give me fired. I know what Perry was real. Nice. What could you? Bill on the show the other day and I mean there was always they were always issues but bill is a genuinely nice person he he Wasn't. Quite as devilish curry as a Perkins Perkins had a main street to say the least. Bows, you followed him I'll. Follow Dubose. I I'm one of the few sports writers that have heard Dubose. Give a sermon in church. You may remember both got in a little bit of trouble. I've met. It was sex somebody. Yeah. I happened. I was working at the time with his brother-in-law polly's. Probably brother and I ended up doing it went to the House and did an interview with with her where she defended her husband and against all charges. and. Anyway, dubose. went on a preaching tour and I went to church one. Sunday morning and he gave pretty good testimonial quite frankly. I think up coaching some highschool ball down. You went to op. Down French Tony you know he he kind of. Without too much I would rank Francioni among my least favorite Alabama coaches of all time. Yeah, and then of course, Stalin's you really enjoy him through you enjoy this. And then I'll shooter. Shoe Shoe. It was a really nice guy. It was just a bad coach. Hey Limited reason I really won't go without saying can you believe this is hard to believe on statistics you know those twenty four years between Ryan and new coach now. Was Saving. By we had terrible terrible terrible time before those coaches was pretty good and we we one hundred, ninety, five games in those twenty four years and what's so weird because I, live in Georgia. Dooley you know couldn't hardly. He's like Kinda next to God he only one, two, hundred and four, hundred, four years you know this Brian because you follow Alabama football but. Every every coach Alabama has ever had coach a game. Since Bryant and I say that because my prize never coached a game. Everyone won ten games. During during one season, dubose won ten games in an SEC Shula won ten games the second year and obviously Francioni Savin Perkins, and Curry. All did as well. It's pretty remarkable. Yeah. Curry I was one of the game. Let you next to last game he you know he won ten one year and then I'll auburn beat him any lapse in a bowl game. But anyway, just just it's hard to believe in those twenty four years we thought Alabama football was so bad but the average wins a year. Well they I mean they were bad by Alabama. Standards. Go. I me right now eleven wins bad by all that mistaken. That's true. But still Georgia was just so happy with their. two, hundred, and four. Years and that shows you they happier with a lower standard than Alabama no doubt about it. Yeah. Remember. Now Alabama won a national championship like yesterday Brian Georgia One, one, forty years ago. That's that's the problem. Let's check in with WHO got here. Gunner is up next go go right ahead. A. Follow up on that caller. He's talking about the greatest Alabama coach of all time. I just wanted to do my list the top three. Number one fair brought it. Course number three nick saving. Wanted a number two it. Well, I really do. Rich, Rodriguez. That's an inside joke. They, forget about that all the time. Don't they get about they were one second away from having rich raw. Yeah, right. In the aftermath of of Mike of. Alabama went after Nick Sabin. He turned it down and they were they had they had offered the job to rich Rodriguez and he accepted it. And he was planning on coming to Tuscaloosa for a press conference on a Friday, afternoon and that morning. News was all over the all over the place that he had taken the job, the governor of West Virginia. Went in and helped negotiate. An effort for him to stay that governor just happen to be a boyhood friend of Nick Sabin and. is now US senator anyway enough of that we had to we to the break Brian Kelly a little bit later on more on the big ten, which looks like it's on the verge coming back. We've heard that before but this time to towns legitimate we'll be right back with much more. Don't let a hangover, slow you down fight it with goodies hangover pain relief at the speed of powder. Good. He's hangovers the first hangover offering from analgesics brand. It temporarily relieves minor pains due to hangover headache and even handles muscle aches, goodies hangover comes and tasty berry citrus boost flavor and includes about as much caffeine as a cup of coffee to help restore mental alertness when experiencing fatigue drowsiness associated with the hangover. Simply toss it back or mix with water juice. It's that easy. 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Kill one hand would only is that you think that the big ten plays and then second of all, do think that there's any pressure on the presence and the chancellor's and the ad at some of these big ten schools the almost not WanNa get president trump victory and have claimed. Kurt right now I mean I. can only give you a guess on what we're hearing. It seems like they're about to come back so. I mean if they don't come back by the end of the day. They're not coming back. So I mean I think we're in a pretty narrow window and I. It seems like, I mean. It has been a very quiet forty-eight hours, which is unusual but I think it's positive. Okay We'll be public vote. Thank or are they. Off. I'm willing to bet you. They ended up with something like unanimous. Even though it probably not you know how these people. I I am curious. If It really was a simple wiser taking so long. Clearly they're having a couple of issues that could be that everyone doesn't WanNa play and they're trying to determine whether they're going to let eight or nine or ten schools play in the rest of them sit home. And also what's The reason that the PAC twelve starting a month later in November is other than money is there really any recent act actually like play? mean the issue for both the big ten in the pack twelve early on was was rapid testing, which is now more readily available you can. They just weren't happy with the testing protocols. Now, let's let's say, let's be honest. Everyone has a different approach. Me Does your on came out today and essentially said, you know pretty much everybody on my team has it and we're good as long as nobody gets it again, we'll. We'll have a team ready to play You know people have been critical of Odur on. but I'm willing to bet you a number of SEC, coaches feel the same way now whether they're administrators think it's a good idea. For players to to get it is another story since I talk about how they're much safer being in the football bobble even though Texas Tech? Acknowledged yesterday that nearly seventy five players have contracted mean if no one ever has another side effect. Okay it's probably a good idea. It's probably not a bad thing but how how do we know that and that is that what the administrators promising there's a there's a big disconnect there somewhere. Let's get back to the calls and you can give us a ring at eight, five, five, two, four, two, seven, two, eight, five, and let's check out. Tae of next in Alabama hit. Hey they're good afternoon. I am doing well. I don't WanNA give. A masters liar, it's good to hear from him. Hey, sounds really good. And he has a great Alabama fans. You know years Renault's you didn't hear yesterday Larry called he he had a pacemaker put in the other day and he's back to drinking. Green Beer which to some people may not be positive but to Larry it is red dog is up next red dog. Thank you and good afternoon. He wants to deliver a message to me. I don't know it seems like a lot of people since Gotcha. Well, that's what now I I'm glad to hear Larry's doing better. You know he'll send me his address. I'll send him a keg of beer. I'm glad to know he's doing good. But what I wanted to tell you Paul is isn't this is such like the big tune they come out. They say we're not playing football. Look at us. And then I like a bunch of idiots because SEC's playing. And now they're going to go back and revoked for the third time hoping they can play football. It's like they're the only people that think they're important. By not you know I mean it's just so typical I mean it's just like the big ten is the most overrated thing. Next to the head coach coming up next. Brian Kelly Notre Dame. It will never be the SEC. So that's all I gotta say go dogs have a good day. Yeah you know even Notre Dame's won a national championship more recently than your team. Jerry is calling next in Louisiana Hello Jerry. Hey Paul first time caller listen I just wanted to get your feedback from. The LSU tigers? I know we'd also a lot of players and everything but. You think we can go into. Yes I do. Now. I. Ain't two's pretty reasonable I. mean more than that might be a challenge but I think eight and would be pretty good year when you consider. What has transpired. Yeah. And Paula. Tell you you do a great job? Well, thank you very much. Hot first-time caller and I'm going GONNA. Try to call many more times but. You can do a great job. Would you look forward to talking to you again thank you for the kind words. JACK IS UP NEXT IN ATLANTA. Hello, Jack. Hey Paul I got a piece of information for you brother, the Georgia Department of Health. Nor the Alabama Department of the help? My sister works for the Alabama Department of Health and my wife works for the Georgia Department of Health and I can tell you neither one of them of those entities put any credence. Any credence in these rapid tests really if you if you go to the Alabama Department of Health. and. Take a test you have to have symptoms. and. They send it off for a four or five day test. And that's how that works man this relatively. That, but let me let me jump in quickly. There is a new. It may be part of the but the FDA two or three weeks ago just to prove a a new rapid test now. I don't know if this is the same one we're talking about I don't think it is, but but I hear you loud and clear. But this is this is what a lot of people are hanging their hat on right now. All the FDA says. SACRI-. Good for you to well it's true. You're absolutely right I mean come on man I don't believe that crap worth. I mean never before have the FDA in the CDC been under more pressure than they currently are under. Yeah I agree with that. Totally agree with that but I just wanted to throw that out there for you see you can do okay I am I am one that wants to side with health and but I'm just simply conveying what? The. PAC twelve center a few weeks ago that the reason they were more optimistic and the same for the big ten that they had this brand new rapid test. That's but I hear I heard I mean. I saw and if you wear a mask, you still got us to stay six feet right? Yup Come on man. You have to be in a different time zone. Thank you. I tried to talk Personal knowledge couple of months ago and I realized pretty quickly. I, know very little in I will defer to people that work for the. State health departments. In terms of what is admissible and permissible, and what isn't we are going to continue following the big ten story whether any of you care or not. It is fairly important that the big time would be re entering college football world and San McCowan. Will join us in a minute. He covers Nebraska Sam covers Nebraska for the Open Omaha World Herald listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. And we welcome you back. It is great to have everyone here and we will continue as I mentioned the following the the big ten situation in San Mc San Mateo is joining us from out in Omaha Sam. Thank you for making the time what a day it has been out there good afternoon first of all and. We just want you to we. We're going to sit back and let let you take us through. This quest for everyone to get back to big ten play especially with. What happened earlier today with big Nebraska. President good. Afternoon. Half You know there's there's there's been a lot going on. with with Nebraska football this morning here's what happens for. So the president of the university. System President not the guy that votes on You know the the President Chancellor who's voting for the big ten. But the guy that that guy bought was announcing research deal for the University of Nice Richard Steele and before and before he announced that he was caught on a hot mike thing you know we're going to be bringing back the big ten football tonight and then he said you know it was gonna be a move in the right direction and they even though it wasn't office played per se it was going to be happening that kind of story blew up my sense is that is GonNa Happen either tonight or tomorrow but but I think you know Big Ben football coming. Back. Probably October seventeen. that would probably be the day. I, don't think the big ten didn't allow any non conference games OP AC-. However many hours. So that's going to happen but Yeah, but it's here it would appear. That the big ten is getting back on the field. albeit after the other three power five leagues, but get back on the field probably in time. To compete for that power football player Sam the. Forgetting what was heard on a hot Mike. But what you believe to be true. How have they come to this conclusion? Your best guess. The. Big Ten presidents and Chancellors. I think we're PROB-. Probably came to it for a couple of weeks. One the advancements daily testing daily answering acids in testing has significantly improved So the ability to give it to somebody give it to a whole football team get those results back in about two and a half three hours. and then if anybody gets positive people isolate them and then do that every single day. if you're able to do that every day, you can easily contact really really easily and it puts you in a position to not have to you know postponed games. For half four, forty, five guys out or anything like that and so I think the big ten wanted that contact tracing was a big concern all on The other issue is the is related to the myocarditis. And that's a tough one. Now now, my sense is that what they're gonNA say they've been they've been encouraged and they feel like they've got ways to test athletes. after the fact that they've got in corona virus. How would be you know how they would be tested before they can come back to the field? You could probably talk for three hours with a lot of doctors about how Marquardt car data's works and whether or not the test they are now using. To determine whether somebody has myocarditis or not is maybe overly sensitive to determining whether there's been an enlargement of the heart. It's worth noting that the cardiac emory's they're now using, we're not are not generally used in determining whether somebody has myocarditis. Including after the flu, the normal flip So this is a new development fair and I think people are working through that process. But for the most part, if you answer those two questions and you, you can guarantee that everybody hates the football field has tested. Positive has set the negative four five six times a week. For the Corona virus that you have to feel pretty good about about your chances of of playing a game. And I. Think the big ten cent pushed in that way and then I think Ohio state. We didn't stop push either Nebraska, but Nebraska could have been isolated five the media by whomever in ridiculed for its desire to continue point. But you can't do that with Ohio State Ohio. State tears are not it's league members but Clemson and Alabama and the teams down south, and as a result I think Ohio state kept pushing and I and I think Ohio state and Nebraska together help get the big ten back with the table along with science improving the test Sam it is. Your is your is it your best judgment that everyone in the big ten we'll play? It I, think that the Wisconsin Chancellor Rebecca blanks said that yesterday I don't know that going to be a fourteen vote. But I think it's going to be voted says we're GONNA play and you're gonNA find a way to play and we'll make sure that things are safe as possible for you to play and to be honest with you if you look at all the president's comments across the board. The only one who's got a half to. Kind of deal with the what they said is probably the rutgers president who said late last week. Made some comments about the value proposition of college football? I'm sure you've read them in comparison to the SEC in the big twelve and. You know he's probably going to have to walk those back a little bit because I think the big ten very much value football and and I. Think they also understand the value of having it on your campus. And so I think what's going to happen is it may not be a fourteen vote but I do think you're gonna see of vote and then having that vote I, think the other schools are GonNa have to find a way to make this happen and and if you give them six days if you give 'em sick daily Antigen. In a week. then. There's there's not a whole lot to say you can't do it. You know big purchase them from wherever they're going to purchase them from, and then they dislike the pack twelve would hand out and there's nothing going on. Shoot there's nothing going on at Maryland or rutgers That is nearly as whatever is what's going on in La or San Francisco. I. Mean The cases in New Jersey aren't even that high and we're playing high school football in New Jersey and I felt so I. Think Rutgers Command. Sam is joining us from from Omaha Sam I realize. None of us are inside those those hallway but do you think this could happen early tonight? I think so I think I mean I, think they've been talking about for a while. Now I think the PAC twelve decision to get the testing deal probably push things along a little bit I think it's possible that it can happen tonight it could happen tomorrow I do know that if you go much longer, you're eating into the team's opportunity to prepare and to get their practices going now I know that Wisconsin probably can't start until September twenty third because they've had a pause on their campus and I know Maryland was pause and I know Penn state was pause. and so there's probably some teams that can't get going right away. but I don't see a ton of harm in enrolling things out for the other schools and letting them at least you know begin practice on Monday next Monday and announce it soon. Then then they knew. Alleviate some of the planning get a few days to to get it ramped up. As opposed to wait until next week and then you gotTa. You gotTA. Make this this curious rush so I do think it's going to happen. I would think the votes going to be is going to be positive and I think you know. You're. GonNa. See Big ten, football i. that's my sense of it. At this moment you're GonNa see big ten football probably mid October and you'll probably hear something about that too whether they'll have the full schedule out or not. That's my question is is have they been able to lockdown that get will and will they be able to report and announced that if when they announced, they're gonNA come. Back. Yeah, we saw the schedule six weeks ago seven weeks ago and I'm curious how you? Get in there and try to balance it because we're it's hard enough the SEC did it the ACC? In a different situation with eleven and ten games, but we're talking about what seven or eight games here. Eight Games. You know. Presumably, you're going to have six against your divisional foes. Because they have to seventeen divisions. And, then you'd have to cross. Oh. And you know the crossover, the crossovers, the that were the. The Devil's in the details I don't know that they're going to be. Easy on a school like Ohio State I. Don't know you know I mean they could say, Hey, Ohio state. If you WANNA, make your playoff you gotta be Wisconsin and you gotta go beat Minnesota. or it could be, Hey, you know Nebraska you wanted to play so you can go out to a housing to. Like you just never know what they're gonNa do but but I think the way it will probably set up is divisional games. and then you'll have a one road in one home. Crossover opponent, and if anybody's feelings gish about hosting game, which if they don't have fans I don't know why would if anybody's feelings skittish about that I'm guessing the big ten could provide a domed environment. where where teams can were teams can house that would be. Probably the approach they take but. But I you know I guess we'll see how they how they decide to how they decide to attack it. Before you go saying that there's been so much criticism of the commissioner and I think in fairness the commissioner. isn't like a school president, but from from Nebraska's two point of view what what is the view of of Kevin Warren? WHO's only been there a year I think the view is that and this isn't just Nebraska but I think the number of schools is a Kevin Warren could've handled the initial decision better He could have included athletic directors in he meetings with medical personnel and with presidents and chancellors, and then not doing that I think there were a lot of coaches and athletic directors who felt like they were learning things secondhand when they were the people who were most affected and I understand that presidents and chancellors. Have to make decisions that are unique and specific to their campuses, and they're thinking about more than just the sports program but I think in many cases, people would tell you There were reporters finding stuff out than before we did our before our kids did before the you know before the day before the coaches did and we still don't have total clarity on why things happened the way they did and when you start hearing those things I think what you're hearing is. Ken Warren I. Don't think he's bad guy at all I. Think I think he's tried in this process, but he didn't handle. The logistics of discussion. The. Gist of the decision, and then after the fact, after they made the decision and this is a communication thing at the end of the day, he did not indicate it clearly and he seemed to waffle on key issues. And when those things happen. I think everybody was like well, is this guy in charge is the commissioner? Is the just doing what the president's Chancellor's tell them to do and and so that's the thing he's got a repair over the next however many months it isn't all on him. There's no question. people have been very harsh on him and he's he's taken the brunt. Of the criticism he deserves some of it. He doesn't deserve all of it but the one thing he's got to do a better job of making sure that he's representing everybody there the coaches, the the presidents and chancellors, and getting an and then messaging that out in a way that represents more than just the fourteen people at the top of the academic. Sam thanks great reporting what a day with the hot mic situation which you covered quite well, we appreciate your time all the best. Care? You got it. There you go. Nebraska seems to be the one that saying the most right now nobody else is talking but all signs seem positive that the big ten is about to get back in the college football business we are going to take a break Brian Kelly right around the corner your phone calls continue. After this you're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. Go back in time is calling from Ohio and todd good afternoon. Dear. Bomb I'm calling because I am just totally totally upset with what's going on in the big team and how the commissioners handled it and I'd just speaking for the rest of the Buckeye nation we are ready to play football and we can play with any team in the SEC as you guys very well. No. There's a lot of people in the SEC that don't respect the big ten I can totally understand that but I will tell you this Mr Finebaum, the Buckeye will play on the back in the any backyard in any part of the country we have some of the top talent as you very well know and is we're losing it because these kids. Are departing to the NFL right now because we're not playing we WANNA play football bringing on any team from the SEC we will show you boys I'd like we did before go bucks. Okay great to hear from you let. A lot of enthusiasm there. Let's. Check in with. Cathy Excuse me carly in Seattle Hello Carl good afternoon. Paul. This is my first time calling I am just thrilled. Hi, how are you? Thank you I am doing great. Appreciate it. Awesome. Well, I am also a huge fan This could be the greatest day of my life. I don't know We'll find out this evening maybe, but my question is about the potential for Notre Dame to join the ACC. Now, I believe that Ohio State and the big ten is the greatest conference of all time I know I'm not going to get you agree with that and that's okay. But if Notre Dame just joined the ACC. Think they'll be very competitive with the big ten as far as competitiveness of. which remember one thing and Carly Notre Dame for those who don't know and I'm probably repeated this a couple of times he is a member of the the in everything to sports hockey. And football. So this is a one off with Notre Dame I. I don't think Notre. Dame is really any closer. To getting in the ACC and football than they were before the pandemic. They still play what is six games that year five or six so I mean they they are. Aquatic member but but I think they really liked their independence they like playing the Naval Academy which they've done for. Fifty or one hundred years they like to play Stanford USC those traditional non ACC games. Right okay. Well, Hey, thanks Paul I love watching you every day. Huge Buckeye Fan. No matter what happens I'm a huge Buckeye Fan. So I hope you have a great day. To Talk to you and I hope you'll do it again mark is in. Florida mark you're on the air mark. Oh I gotTA. Tell you that down here in Florida. We have several things We research you as and just to rob a couple of them the main guy. Thank you the total package. The Dome of knowledge. The. Sage of sagacity. You just have. You have the toll thing war on ball and but that boy from Ohio state. You if he said as you will not one more time I was going to look for my small-calibre. Gun. Down here. But began I think is. Just about irrelevant and Sam was looking for something to say. He, ran off a lot of words but didn't really have anything the authoress you know you saw. I almost went to sleep but the only thing worse with proudly that wake forest in Cranston game. which you would just rather watch paint dry than watch deafening that was. That was pretty grim to watch i. have to tell you what mean without trevor. Lawrence. I watched an old movie, but I was curious to see what? I hear I well, anyway that's about all Lafayette Offi go gators and I'm just looking forward to This thing together you know well, we are It's we're we're we're almost there markelle next this time next week we will. Be Knocking on the door of a messy game. So we appreciate it a busy busy program. Already it looks like the big ten is ready to go. We talked to a reporter in Nebraska and he says it's just a matter of minutes maybe not days. We have much more to do including our conversation with Brian. Kelly all that coming up next.

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"The following podcast contains explicit language. Hello i'm josh libyan slates. It's national editor and the author of queen slates sports podcast hang up for the week of august fifth two thousand on this week show. We'll discuss soccer player. Alejandro bedoya is unusual goal celebration on sunday getting on mike and calling on congress to address gun violence while also be joined by kyle wagner of the new york orc daily news to talk about these sadness jeremy lennon carmelo anthony. The one time new york knicks teammates who've now both been rejected by the n._b._a. Finally <music> omaha world herald reporter record s will be here to explain why big time big money college athletic departments investing and women's rowing. I will tell oh you that is not because they love women's rowing joining me in slates washington d._c. Studio is the author of the word freak and a few seconds of panic. They wanted only stephan stephon fats as hello stephan josh. You spell bureau b._u. Arao if i was gonna say slates washington dc bureau wall street journal a._p. Thanked journalese. He's yeah inside lingering old crusty newspaper. I feel like we don't we don't get into that. <hes> an hey. When i started my career we were typing on computers computers impressive. What if dear abby was an investigative reporter. I'm charles duhig the author of the power of habit and host of a new slate podcast how to and how to we answer your toughest questions like how do i fire about employees or how do donate a kidney to my mom or do i tell the perfect joke or how do i rob a bank to listen subscribed to how to on apple spotify spotify or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Let's talk about what happened this weekend. It was a shitty depressing. Weekend was a nut on saturday and el paso texas. A white nationalist killed at least twenty people at a walmart that night in dayton ohio's nightlife district a shooter wearing a mask and bulletproof revest killed at least nine people on sunday the houston astros and cleveland indians held moments of silence for the victims soccer player. All one hundred did not not stay silent but doria who plays for philadelphia union in major league soccer and was on the last u._s. National team to make the world cup in two thousand fourteen tweeted. We did on sunday afternoon seeing more thoughts and prayers. Bullshit words with actions are just worthless america. It seems becoming a dystopia in society do something long enough on sunday night game televised on fox sports one scored in the third minute of the unions five one win against dc united. He then ran to the the coroner and grabbed the onfield. Make it a third minute. The captain comes up for the very big. There's something doyen statement could be heard on t._v. But not in the stadium within seconds of it happening. The clip was being shared everywhere aware on social media stephan. I'm sure the tv ratings for this union united game were basically nil but that makes us even more powerful as a case study buddy for how far an athlete any athletes voice can carry when they speak up yeah. I mean on one hundred sixty six caps soccer fans know who he is is. He has not lebron james. You know he was on the philadelphia. Union personally played overseas. He played in scotland. He played in france. He's had a great career but again. He's not a household name among u._s. Sports fans soccer fans are pretty enlightened though and this is about of course the power of viral moments events but clearly knew where the mic was on the field. He knew who would be hearing it. It was not audible in the stadium but it was audible on fox and he knew that he would get attention and he said that after the game that he felt compelled to say something that it wasn't enough for him to not use it platform as an athlete to try to the send a message so part of the story here is what i did and chose to do and i can't recall hall a similar moments but dole himself wore a t shirt after the park land shooting in memory of the victims. We've seen t-shirts <hes> from w._n._b._a. Players first n._b._a. Players i can't breathe shirts obviously the gestures during the national anthem and players speaking up in all manner of ways all manner of platforms but in in game declaration into an onfield microphone as part of a celebration eleboration was new and i think that novelty is a lot of the reason why this went viral and the passion to i mean he's yelling in that clip you can and feel how emotional he is. Think about what athletes go through during games. They are focused. They have to be paying attention to what's going on on the field. They're intent hint is to succeed and <unk>. It's to score a goal and then to transition out of that and remember that this is on my mind and i wanna do something on feeling clearly thought about it he he must have in some ways planned out but to have the presence of mind to a do well score and then be have the presence of my score yeah yeah all right. I've gotta score then. I can talk about gun violence. I mean that's pretty clearly like the end scored. He wouldn't know had the platform motivation right. Perhaps so now we talked last week about sports and politics and where the twain shall meet and the other thing that i think is nowhere the here is that this it wasn't a moment before a game wasn't a moment after a game by doing this during a game. He was very consciously mixing reports on politics. There is no way that you could watch this game as a sports fan just wanting to see the action on the field and not hear what he had to say. Ah if you're in the stance that was an exception if you're watching this on television or happened to be on twitter on sunday night and that i think shows again the power of what what an athlete and what athletes can do is despite what jimmy petar the president of e._s._p._n. Might say despite what don garber the commissioner of major league soccer might say and this is a guy who in petar lake statement has said we don't want any political science in our stadiums. They can't control a moment like this no but the platforms have the ability to exercise some control and watch the game and i didn't watch fox's many highlight shows after her or look at fox's clips online but apparently fox soccer did cut the joy <unk> statement out of their goal highlights while major league soccer did not. I watched and you i did too. I think josh most of scott van pelt e._s._p._n. Highlight show late last night and before. I finally fell asleep at almost one o'clock. I hadn't seen anything anything about the goal so it's hard to know like. Was that a choice that scott van pelt made. Was it a choice. That producers made was there. A memo circulated that said hey. Let's leave this out of the show last night and this morning but doria and his statement or one of the top headlines on e._s._p._n. Dot com yeah and it was on the crawl on the t._v. Screen during van pelt show but but these are the weird decisions that sports executives are going to. I mean as a viewer. It makes you wonder though like what pernicious about this and i don't no what van pelt decision making process was or anybody else at e._s._p._n. But i think the real danger of whether it's this e._s._p._n. Policy we are any social media policy at any company that attempts to control what people right and think that people will self censor and say is this over. The line is on the line. You know what. I don't really want to pick this fight. I don't want to get in trouble. Maybe i won't get in trouble but like do i really want want this headache and annoyance in my life and maybe that's what happened. Maybe that's what didn't happen but again as a viewer. You're just going to wonder like are people censoring themselves. <music> are people able to say what they really feel and believe in the way that all one hundred lawyer was able to on the field right because in arguably this was newsworthy worthy whether you believe it was a political statement or not it was newsworthy. This happened during a professional sports league league game. This was news and if you don't cover it as news because you're worried that someone might interpret it as political then you have a problem well e._s._p._n. On fox sports and m._l._s. in this case didn't really control this highlight. It was shared by people <hes> ice on twitter. I presume that it was oliver facebook as well well but it was shared by folks who are not generally sports highlight shares and it only took a handful of people who are actually watching the game before for it was everywhere and before people who don't get their news or even people who do get their news from e._s._p._n. Side and so. It's not like anyone's not going to see it questions how we're gonna think about entities like e._s._p._n. And major league soccer and fox sports in our collective consciousness we talked about this last week too and i think think it's only magnified here. You mentioned don garber the commissioner of major league soccer. He did an interview with e._s._p._n. A few days ago when he talked about he was asked about political political sign edge at games and in m._l._s. This has been an issue out in seattle where one of the fan groups emerald city supporters was warned about displaying a banner for run anti-fascism group. The issue is who's deciding what's political and what's not gardeners answer was that we have a strict policy. We don't allow political sign edge. It's it's not a question of judgment about which group is right and which group is wrong which group we should support or not support. He said are stadiums are not environments where france should should be expressing political views because you then automatically opening yourself up to allowing counter views i mean this guy is a is a deeb. Obviously this is a fantasy fiction fiction. He was asked about well. What about people wearing may make america great again hats. He evaded the question because there's no it's. It's hard to respond under these kinds of things yeah. I mean if you're gonna put yourself in possession of defining what's political and what's not political you're going to it's a losing proposition asia and so what these risk-averse leagues and entities end up doing is banning everything rather than having the guts to say that some things are okay and some things aren't you can understand why for corporate <hes> officer it would be more appealing to just say no to everything it safer but it's just not <hes> point point of view. That's compatible with the way that the world exists today right if you're saying that white supremacy is bad and your answer is well. We can't allow that to be sad than you're opening yourself up to ridicule and to a blowback this is how extreme movements foster themselves how they grow oh by reasonable people giving them standing tomsk occas piece in slate over the weekend about refusing to identify condemn racism out of concern defending being people's rights to be racist and this is not dissimilar to that with the royal thing so there will probably be an announcement made after we record this but before art show comes out andrew dice the new york times reports. It's unlikely that padilla will be suspended. His coach came out and supported him saying and gun violence congress. Do something is i think an offensive enough that the league will get behind it and the team will get behind it and maybe everybody will be wearing t shirts shirts the next game and maybe there'll be at moment of silence. You know the moment of silence has. I know that it's well intentioned but it's kind of become. I don't know if you agree. It's like thoughts and prayers prayers version of thoughts and prayers for sports the u._s. women's national team did one before their friendly against ireland is i said the baseball teams all did it. I was looking up like washing the national nationals moment of silence to do research for my intro and it's like there's moments of silence after all of these shootings and it's just like part of the background and part of the like scenery of every mass shooting so it's good i think he did something different to shake out of our stupor. They're a little bit <hes> but you know the question is what if the the next game goes and says like republicans <hes> you know you need to go back and put mitch mcconnell the senate back in session like that's it's not gonna be something that's going to be looked on as kindly even though it's like basically the same senate protect the twenty twenty elections moscow mitch. I mean it's it's it's the same sentiment expressed in a slightly different way. I mean you saw when meghan re pino kneeled for the national anthem u._s. Soccer bandini like during the national anthem and so it's i think it's easy for m._l._s. and the philadelphia union whoever to say like yeah we totally support but doha's you know ability to stand up for what he believes in well well. We'll say well. Here's what's going to happen. You're not gonna be able to talk into the microphone on the field. That will be an automatic red carter something. There'll be some way to sort of react directly all right. M._l._s. players get passed legislation narrow actions of badore. Ask year without appearing to be clamping down on free speech rights from slate. I'm seth stevenson. I'm from the economist. I'm tom stanage and we're we're back with the second season of our podcast that looks to the past for lessons about what's coming next. It's called the secret. 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But after the knicks wouldn't match a free agent offer lynn's career flat line the mid trades bad fits and injuries he just wanna rang bench warmer for the toronto raptors but now he's a free agent and very bummed out speaking for almost an hour in front of a huge audience in taiwan lin broke down in tears while lamenting his basketball journey. Let's listen and i came into the n._b._a. A young brash kid who thought i was going to take over the world uh we catching m._b._a. Show was indian seeing where there were cle- n._b._a. Talk with and nowadays and more time time thinking about quitting as you shouldn't that her daughter suggests. I shine funky. I always tell myself if i have i have a son i don't want him to make the n._b._a. Against each other or to the heart which will hitching top m._b._a. You'll have to deal with fame. You don't have to deal you with living your life and having all your failures on display to the whole world damn jeremy kyle ladner whereas with us he's the sports editor of the new york daily news where he wrote a thoughtful essay about jeremy lin last week he did not i believe composed the doleful piano soundtrack behind jeremy armie lynch talk. I kyle hey what's up. This is going to be a segment about lennon carmelo but i want to start with land your piece kyle you lay out why jeremy china's a complicated figure and i do wanna be sympathetic to jeremy lin so let's talk about that. I why should we be sympathetic to jeremy lin so i would start at the top with racism and not only jeremy jeremy is obviously the first asian-american player to find success in the modern n._b._a. But at the start and really throughout his tenure in new york we also have to talk about carmelo anthony so in order for jeremy to succeed carmelo had to be out. Come start on my head to be out and baron davis that you're just the knicks were ravaged. The injuries and that's jeremy success because really jeremy is a ball pounding ball dominant point guard when he's at his best. That's what he was during the insanity and that's the the reason that he had this opportunity that came at the expense of carmelo anthony who would have just never been a fan favorite <hes> around the league we have for a little while but attached to him are all of the criticisms that are traditionally assigned to black players mostly by racist. If i'd <hes> fans who just find reasons to pick at black players and jeremy as a harvard red as an asian american as a just a non black player was assigned a lot of the virtues that like we just talked about him being a moore. I just just talked about him. Being a ball pounding point guard. That's not what it's fine to amuse assign basically all the characteristics that you would give to kirk hinrich which is to say he was in effect effect treated like a white player and that is in gendered. I think across his career a lot of resentment toward so land for that period with the next kind of found basketball nirvana he was on the cover of sports illustrated two straight weeks and on the back page of the daily news five days in a row there we go and and then it went south so quickly both because of this kind of backbiting on the team with carmelo anthony not being happy that len was getting this attention and then carmelo anthony calling the offer sheet he got from the rockets a ridiculous contract then when he went to the rockets being with james harden harden guy he's not gonna share the ball we could just go on and on and on and i think for those reasons stephan. I am sympathetic to jeremy land because you know basketball is a sport. You know like all sports. We like to think of them as a meritocracy but i think land can rightly feel like he. He had a very hard time breaking into the n._b._a. Before he got the name was not drafted. He had a very hard time. I'm on the next. He gets for this very brief period yet. He does really well and then since then it's just the series of as we said bad situations injuries and you know having the people still doubt him and say that what he accomplished wasn't even real and him feeling i guess kyle like he hasn't had the chance really to prove prove it and back himself up and and just have this one tantalizing moment of when he really did get the opportunity. Maybe makes it worse for him. Yeah and that's really one of the. I'm not gonna say tragedy because he has made a lot of money as a has had a good career but that's one of the frustrating parts about following in supporting <hes> <hes> jeremy manasian fan who got excited about lin sanity was his career where so i'll touch on something you just said actually the injuries that have followed him across his career at least the reputation and <hes> so after that i new york where which did end prematurely with injury after that he's played seven seasons in five of those he's played at least seventy one game. The two seasons in in brooklyn were the only two in which he was severely shortened in one season only played one game in the previous season. He'd only played. I think thirty one but that's the image that follows him around because that was gonna be a chance under kenny atkinson who very good with point cards the ngelo russell jeff teague spencer did woody. He's done very good things with them and he was actually the assistant coach. In new york. Well jeremy was there and and he just has the worst to injury seasons of his career so absolutely there. It's just been a a series of misfortune misfortunate events but at the same time when he's been healthy he's produce a very high level. He's very good on true shooting percentage which is your kind of gold standard of this player efficient or they taking too many shots or they missing too. How many shots he typically isn't he can get to the holy scores well at the rim and a this just isn't the way that we think about and we think about a more of the kind of flop disappointment disappointment and the image of jeremy lin shaped by some of the things we've discussed in addition. He was not recruited out of high school played in the ivy league played for harvard vert there is inherent bias there and probably the most shocking or surprising and interesting commentary on lynn's career was made by daryl darrelle maury the general manager of the rockets in a book by michael lewis from a few years ago maury talks about how their model said that he was worth just like the fifteenth pick in the draft but the objective measurements didn't line up with the way people saw him as a basketball a player that he wasn't terribly athletic that he was an asian kid you know and maury said we didn't trust the model and so they chickened out and didn't draft jeremy milan. The follow up is that morrie discovered a year later when they started the measure metrics like the speed of a players. I two steps. The jeremy lin was in fact the quickest. I moves of any player that were measured. <hes> he's incredibly athletic maury said but the reality is that every fucking person including me thought he was on athletic and i can't think of any reason for it other than he was asian yup came out and said it's devastating. I mean it's candid but it's also so you know devastating. I'm really sad. I think that you know kyle. One thing that land has banned throughout his career is candidate and open japan and he has this fan base. That's hungry and desperate to hear from him and to you know take from him positives about his experience and so i i think a lot of n._b._a. Players and a lot of athletes in general are sad about how their career went and have grievances about how it went about. The coach didn't play play them about the opportunities they didn't get. It's just the fact that so much has put on land because of his identity that this gets so so much of a of a hearing and a platform. I think that's true and i think it's also true that there's a lot of there's a lot of sympathy and empathy for jeremy for the reasons that we've already discussed that. He's had a pretty productive career. <hes> despites <hes> you know having a reputation for injuries having reputation for not showing up. He's he's actually produce pretty well. He has <hes> been a good player and so when he complains about <hes> not being in the league right now not being signed right now. He's still you know whatever <hes> that he doesn't deserve these things that he doesn't hasn't deserved his time and while that is not true you know based on the court because he has carried around. I'm just having been the bludgeoned for you. Know white hope that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that other players do from a lot of people who otherwise <hes> do <hes> <hes> have sympathy have empathy for players that are treated pretty unfairly and n._b._a. Media does treat players very unfairly and it has had like real effects on on their pockets. Frankly the javale mcgee talks about <hes> the full checked in the fool which is very funny and trivial does make ridiculous mistakes shakes <hes> talks about how those just a few plays in his career have turned into a memo into into a running joke and that reputation is followed followed autumn around and he has had productive seasons. He's he's developed as a player. He's a much better player now than he was <hes> but that reputation shack to fool just follows them around in cost the the money it cost him the respect of his peers and fans. Also you say respect than what i think. Jeremy lin's candor also has engendered resentment. I mean he has been in the n._b._a. For nine ears that is an extraordinarily long career. You quoted an instagram post by reshad mackenzie. Who's been out of the league for a long time man. This guy had at least six different people all that are better at their man. This guy had at least six different opportunities to thrive made more money than most guys ten times better than him has billions of people behind him in asia given up on you how how you will soon know what it feels like once you're completely forgotten about just think if you had to fight the guys who were better for the spot you were given all that brown nosing and doing it right looks good to the front office office but when you're a below average player real hooper's not trying to hear that shit that's not entirely fair obviously and it does come from a place of resentment but it might but it does raise the question of when an athlete is true to himself and being honest. I mean it really felt a lot like self pity when you listen to jeremy lin talk on that stage in taiwan but that is where he is right now and that's a desperate place. I think you also have to remember. He's talking to a christian audience and like i'm not really religious those raised catholic so but that's kind of the mode he was speaking in also on that stage so i i think that's that's something we have to think about with that but at the same time the below-average thing is is exactly what we've been talking about where i would refer you to jeremy stats from atlanta in this past season where he was one of the best benched players in the league and he just sucked in toronto. We stuck out loud but if you look at you know his season as a whole. That's a pretty average player in the n._b._a. Average is pretty good. Average is almost always assigned average means better than about half the players in the league but look at who is in the league playing guard last season jose calderon raymond felton played a few games than he wasn't in there but but there are players that are much worth about as good as jeremy was in toronto and far worse than i think what a team could expect from really not a playoff run of you know lynn fucking against the playoff team all right. Let's get the long-awaited carmelo anthony portion of this conversation it is just so so fast hitting that their careers of converged in this way carmelo also unsigned went on for steak with stephen a smith and has so often happens stephen the man could create some compelling television <hes> they did a long interview or carmelo talked about his grievances with the the league about how his daryl morey and how he wasn't treated right by the houston rockets who got rid of him after just ten games last season. Let's listen to a clip of that conversation. You don't believe there is one n._b._a. Eighteen one that has fifteen players on it better. It'll be clear about that. I'm not saying that fifteen plays better than me. I'm saying out of thirty. Teams is fifteen man roster. You mean to tell me i can make a fifteen man ross. That's what that's what i'm saying and i started looking at it in a broader and broader perspective where it don't become basketball to me. It becomes about politics so you know what this shows me. Kyle is that no matter how many accolades you get and carmelo has been ten all star teams. You can still you. Everybody ends up in the same place like not many guys get the d. wade farewell tour and gets to go back to his. You know team in miami where he's fawned over by right by fans. Everybody is going to be upset with how things and everybody is going to have an outsized belief in their own ability and we're all gonna die someday man yeah so what stood out to me in <hes> just mellow is that he's trying so hard to to give this you know front of oh. I'm i'm humbled but i'm also <hes>. I also have something in the tank but it's he can't because he knows like he is. It's about respect it just the way it was jeremy same as with mellow he is just a lot of disrespect and has always been put on his name across across the last several years and really it's. I get into this and the piece a little bit. It's a lot what happened to jeremy where carmelo at the same time <hes> was making he was making much more than than he made signed a hundred and forty five or whatever max contractor just under the max jacksonville tell you and he was making a lot out of money. He was making a lot of money before that and the knicks were not winning. The knicks may one one playoff series in the last twenty years. He was part of that but they were not finding the success that people expected acted when anthony came to town so he's taken a lot of abuse across the years. Well it really wasn't his fault aside from really kind of pushing that trade through <hes> it wasn't his fault as far as on the court he played at a very high level he played up to the level that you would expect someone making a mac salary to play and the only problem was he wasn't lebron james and this is i think you can't yell at players for not being lebron james and like we only have one of those so in the last few years steph n. <hes> carmelo's level has dropped. He is not never been a good defender. He's now of extremely bad defender and when he was <hes> on the thunder in the playoffs they benched him for long stretches couldn't they found him unplayable because teams would just try to with success prey on him when when carmella was on defense and but you know where i come down this it's like it's not his job to like have the an accurate perception of of his own abilities in order to succeed and any sport <hes> but in the n._b._a. In particular you need to think that you are the greatest player in the world world carmelo. I think for a long time rightly thought he was the best score in the league the best one on one player and so he is doing his job bob believing in himself the league is doing its job telling him that you're not good enough to be the player that you think you are and thought you were and there is inherently currently some conflict there except that players who reach their early to mid thirties often have to make some sort of compromise between their perception perception of themselves their vision of themselves as a twenty three year old in the n._b._a. Versus the reality of being thirty-three in the n._b._a. Sort of coming to terms with the decline line in certain aspects of your game in your skills doesn't feel like carmelo ever got there. He was terrible in those ten games on houston before they a released him and he was a liability chris. Thompson pointed out on deadspin that the rockets were ten and a half points better in terms of net raiding when mellow mello was not on the court in those games some players like vince is this was not discussed in the conversation with stephen a by either some employers like vince carter get older and recognize what they have to do differently in order to stay in the league if carmelo really wanted to stay in the league and be helpful to a team he might change the way he plays basketball so i would say that he had changed the way he played basketball when he got to the thunder. It's just it didn't work out for him because so he started taking many many more catch and shoot <hes> threes catch and shoot jumpers and that's what we saw when he was at his best as feeble melo as mellow just running over the the olympics <hes> <hes> you know every four years and the shots just one going in as much he shot thirty seven percents from three on catching shoots <hes> down from his number in <hes> new york where he she was about a forty two forty three percent <hes> shooter frizz entire career on catching shoots and that's a big drop. That's that's enough <hes> where he was also shooting in the thirties. He's on twos on catching shoes. I'm not really sure how that works. I not coming to me but he did change the way like many more of shots were coming off cat and shoots shots that he had made his entire career that he made a new york that he had made in denver that he'd made on the olympic team and they just weren't going in an oklahoma city so he's made the adjustment and that could just be a down shooting shooting year at one thing i will mention and i am <hes> since your listeners probably don't know i am just the biggest russell westbrook stan. I just defend him up and down. The one thing i will say is that the shooter's on his team have always underperformed and typically because he has bad shooters but also i did <hes> i looked into this when i was at five thirty eight they also might might be shooting worse <hes> when russ beating them because he kind of throws the ball off center and you have to load the ball up. It's not just catch it and just put it right up like it is with a lot of point guards so there are a lot of things that went into that but yeah he had a really bad season in oklahoma city before this these past <hes> this past seasons ten games in <hes> in houston also and i think it's fair to say that folks are not going to give him the benefit of the doubt for all you know the reasons that's f._m. Was saying this belief that there's certainly evidence to support report that he is somebody who doesn't wanna cough the bench that he has somebody who doesn't want to subjugate his game to others the floors talk politics politics and so i think when people see this interview not necessarily inclined to believe that he's being honest with his. I the answer with himself and you know maybe it was just a down shooting year and you know but i think the resolution for this needs to be as like we didn't talk about amari. Mari stottlemyre big another guy who's like having workouts n._b._a. Teams and thinks that he can be back in the n._b._a. What we need to see as the big three team of jeremy jeremy land carmelo anthony. Mary stott meyer tear that shit up yes and that they will be promoted into the n._b._a. As a trio there'll be a bench mob for the lakers. I'm sure that's exactly what's going to happen so one thing so i'll ask you melwood mentioned that it was on the table for him to be a part of that miami big three. Do you think that would have worked out so this was in two thousand and ten. He signed a five year deal with the nuggets and he said he wanted to stay with denver. He didn't want to go play with with other superstars. <hes> he probably would have wanted to go. Go play with the heat but he so basically he wasn't available when that heat super team was being made an idea was maybe he would've gone there with lebron and d. wade instead of chris bosh <hes> i think that would have been a more talented group at that time but it would have been a worse fit right 'cause they needed bashes. They needed a bosch to be able to play at the five and to defend the ram to defend big guys and i would have hamstrung hamstrung them as far as being able to find another guy who could have played that role like. I don't want to say that the heat like wouldn't have won a title with that trio but i think it just the fit wouldn't have been as good with us three guys. Do you think i'm torn on this and i've been thinking about it a lot. Because what you said is absolutely right about chris bosh. He's one of the most under appreciated big big men or just stars that we've seen the last twenty years <hes> he completely changes gain he was a post player he kind of drifted <hes> up to the elbows and eventually passed the three point line with lebron 'cause there's only one real real way to play with lebron and he was just their entire back on defense <hes> they had you know weeks. I'd defenders but it was really. He was playing dream on roll before the dream on role was really established that said the way that bosh inverted his entire game turned ended upside down offensively at least <hes> is kind of what mela would have had to do and so a lotta times in the n._b._a. Guys just aren't asked to do things or when they are <hes> they're very specific things so if you look at boss shot chart <hes> which is you can go to you know a bunch of websites and they'll show you where boss shot and how well he shot from those places before he was in <hes> miami. The toronto shot chart. Was you know he was all on the on the block and that's really at a few jumpers in there that turns upside down where he thought the elbows and out past the line well the bronze there and then lebron leaves but bosch is spent these last four years just pushing his jumper farther and farther back having having to take the ball from the elbow and drive to the rim like learning all these things that are just the lebron ball style and you see just it's flips as soon as lebron goes back to cleveland bosses shot chart just blossoms all of a sudden he's taking shots from all over the court he is he's scoring from everywhere we scoring well from everywhere and and to me <hes>. I think that might have happened for carmelo. If carmelo was in a situation where he just didn't have to be the entire damn offense. I wonder i wonder if <hes> if he would have refined the game taken out a lot of the empty calories and if we would've seen over the course of the last nine seasons a more complete carmelo <hes> <hes> with or without lebron after those four years. We're the next bench mob josh how they got some room on their roster they yeah they have what fifteen in sixteen power forward so they can fit them on the practice squad at least perfect pet. Guile wagner is the sports editor for the new york daily news and the author of the the piece the n._b._a. Has never forgiven santa for being the great white. Hope go check it out will post it on our show page. Thanks a lot kyle. Thank you before we get to our next segment and i wanted to let you know that in our bonus segment for slate plus members seven. I will followed the lead of our hero. John boyce discussed the least interesting sports statistical testicle observations of all time including the fact that in the two thousand seventeen regular season the n._f._l. Had two hundred twenty eight passes the win for exactly seventeen yards whereas in in two thousand eighteen that number jumped to two hundred and fifty five passes feel the mundanity to hear that conversation join sleigh plans for just thirty five dollars for the first year your money well spent you can sign up at fleet dot com slash hangup plus last month. The los angeles times published an op ed headlined captivated by the u._s. Women's soccer team victory. Thank title nine c._n._n. Also published a piece with the title. If you like women's soccer you should know about title nine while the nations version declared the road to the world cup began with title nine. Title nine was passed by congress in eighteen seventy two. It decreed that schools to get federal money can't discriminate on the basis of saxony any activity as all those articles noted. One direct consequence of this was increased parody in sports the l._a. Times reported that for instance there were seven hundred girls participating in highschool soccer in nineteen seventy-two compared to three hundred and nine hundred thousand today. It's an amazing shift and it's a life-changing one for a huge number of girls and women whether they're elite athletes are not at the college level. Individual schools are tasked with ensuring the women receive equitable athletic copper -tunities given what we know about college athletic departments. It shouldn't be all that surprising that they do not always make a good faith effort to do so now. Henry cordis of the omaha world herald just reported out a great series title nine for that paper. He joins us now. Welcome to the show henry. Hey guys thanks so the story that you wrote that. I on my attention. Henry was about women's rowing. Can you start by telling us how that sport has exploded in popularity garrity at the college level in recent years and then we can get into why yeah if you go back to the late eighties early nineties. They're only twenty women's rowing teams out there. They're mostly at schools like brown and harvard and yale and <hes> you know typical ivy league kinda schools but in the in the years years since then particularly in the nineteen nineties. You just saw the the number of teams explode. There's now a close to ninety and <hes> and the number of rowing. I played his gra has grown more than tenfold. There's like five thousand women's hours half there and the other thing that the rosters are double what they were for in one thousand nine hundred rowing team was about thirty now. It's well over sixty but we're really what jumped out at me is just the large number of schools that have these just just massive women's rowing roster's one hundred or more <hes> and a lot of them. Are you know what we know is kind of big time football schools alabama clemson <hes> a michigan ohio state oklahoma <hes> you know <hes> wisconsin reported a growing numbers of one hundred seventy six and so the those numbers just that's kind of popped off at me and i and i decided i need to look into it more to find out you know why that is happening and the seems to be pretty clear. The reason that schools want to add more women to something like rowing is that it gives them title nine cover it creates opportunities by i giving more women an opportunity to say they're on a varsity team and participating in varsity sport but at the same time if you get the numbers up enough you can add add players to your football team which is explicitly the case at least from the conclusions that you draw in your reporting right yeah what happens is title nine is very complicated. I mean it's not <hes> <hes> most people think that it requires them. Equal number of male and female athletes are equal spending and it actually doesn't it just says it has to be equitable. Then give schools several different ways to comply one of them is to indeed balance their participation among men and women and and that's kind of probably the gold standard of title nine if you can show that we have equal numbers of male and women men participants <hes> than urine compliance and so if you're trying to reach that <hes> that plank it's particularly difficult if you're a football all school 'cause we know football. Football has these rosters of one hundred or more easily. The average is about one hundred and twenty and there is no comparable women's sports for that so if you're a football school. How are you going to achieve that balance <hes> and <hes> on the women's side to allow you to have this large football team and it's pretty clear that a lot of the football schools have decided that rowing is the way to go on that i mean as we know you don't actually need hugh not many players on your football team these big time football schools. I mean you're based in nebraska. Nebraska's always had one of the bigger rosters. They feel like they need eh. You don't actually need that many players to feel that a football team but at a school like alabama as you report they had one hundred twenty women's rowers on their roster having recognized that boats are large and if you want to increase the number of women athletes for title nine purposes rowing as a very expedient way to do it but as you showed only eighty two of those one hundred and twenty competed in a varsity or novice race and then another twenty two who did compete compete only took part in a few early season races right so it seemed like the legit number of rowers is sixty and yet they're essentially double counted. This is just just right. This is for accounting purposes. You load up a roster in the fall in introduce women to a new sports say they're on the varsity team but when it it comes down to actually compete they don't compete or by the time practices keep going and people realize that rowing is a grueling in in time sucking activity they drop out but the university gets the benefit of saying that at the beginning of our season or whatever the date is for reporting purposes to the federal government. There were this many women on the roster and that's what counts toward our title nine participation right. The numbers are a little oh complicated but you can. It's easy to see why rowing appeals to the schools because yeah typical rowing in meat. You're going to have like three eight person votes and maybe a couple of four person boats. It's like thirty. Some competitors compare that to women's basketball. You know where you might. Have you know obviously only five on the court at a time. Maybe ten in a game so it's a way to get a lot autumn women's competitors out there by having roy well but what these but the problem is. Where do you get these girls because rowing is not exactly a big time time high school sports in nebraska and nebraska anywhere else for that matter. They're not too many places. Let's put it that way so <hes> so what schools are do is put out a y'all calm and and and invite anybody on campus and they they get the word out to incoming freshmen and two and anybody else on campus. Hey come give rowing try and they call them novice rowers and and it's somewhat legit in that that you can find great athletes on campus who were like maybe they weren't good basketball or volleyball player in in high school. They weren't good enough to play it. You know a division one level but they might be a pretty darn good athlete and they can recruit them but the way the math works on this is <hes> so they invite all these essentially ashley rookies out to compete and <hes> as any of them that are still on the roster at the time of the first competition. That's when the official oh count as calm as done under title nine each years when each team of your sports has its first competition. That's when you make your additional count so yes if you're school and you have a whole bunch of these these novices on your roster at the time of that first rowing me in the fall you get to count them all as female athletes so one of your stories was about the swim team at nebraska lincoln and about how they have essentially this two tiered system where there's a walk on team team and for title nine purposes these women get counted as varsity athletes but they have separate practices they barely even see the women and the coaches coaches for the regular swim team and they only compete on of small handful of meets the beginning of the year and like the quote unquote real team cousin a trip to hawaii wii and they don't go. I mean it's very very clear that these are not full. Participants in this program are not in the team photo not and yet for title nine purposes. They're counted exactly the same right what happened at nebraska was they wanted to expand football rot roster and scott frost came in is the football coach not was used too much bigger roster when he was back at nebraska decades earlier and so they they how can we add more football players well. They came up with this plan plan to add and dozen women swimmers last year but you're right. <hes> nine of twelve were these walk on's and you know when you look at the resumes they they just they weren't standout swimmers and high school so to to think that they would have even been able to have any success on the division level was a little bit of a stretch and then now i know and they they had a real second tier status right not in the team photo weren't given lockers and and competed only in a few early season meets and then what what it really was the thing to me is the only practice for half the season they practice separately from the varsity team and then as early november which was not even halfway through the season they were done they they weren't coached anymore but but by then they were counted as female athlete to me the most insidious part of the sorts of of <hes> of a number being counting shenanigans is that there are ways to create more opportunities for legitimate female athletes in the n._c._a._a. Yea and that's to add sports women actually play at a high level nebraska could add. I think you said field hockey. They don't have a field hockey team. Nebraska competes in the big ten. There's some really good field hockey programs in the big ten a national championship competing field hockey programs but there's is one specific reason that schools like nebraska would rather not add new sports and that's cost. It's much cheaper to have twelve extra walk on swimmers swimmers who get to go in the pool for an hour a day after the varsity than it is to add a full team that requires equipment coaching staff trainers ars travel right your budget right. I did the math on that any even disregarding like facilities just annual budgets for field hockey team or lacrosse off team which would be a sport that would actually make as much if not more sense than field hockey nebraska. You're talking a million and a half dollars and and you know the <hes> obviously big time schools like nebraska. Have they make a lot of money but they spend a lot of money to and <hes> <hes> and might need to have some slightly lustick carpeting and the football locker exactly and and really i would make the case that if there's any school that can <hes> can afford to do things right. It's nebraska. I mean because the passionate football fans here and the fact that there aren't n._f._l. Teams here <hes> i mean football is an absolute money machine gene in lincoln and and and passion right now is incredibly high now that scott frost is back in coaching the team. Everyone thinks that they're on the verge of getting back into the the top tier and so they don't like for money down in lincoln i that's for sure it was the no pressure on the athletic department reported that other other than the addition of sand volleyball a few years ago which was a way to give practice to the court volleyball team. Rasco has a very a powerful successful volleyball program. There hasn't been a new women's sports in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight twenty right you see there. The three planks tighter that i'll just you know one like i said is matching participation. The other is having a history if you can show what we have a history of adding women's sports almost no schools including nebraska can can say they comply with that one anymore because most schools stopped adding women's sports decades ago. You know we're five decades down the road on title nine now. Most of the editions of sports were happening in the first couple of decades so it's hard for nebraska or any school to say they comply with that one and so a lot of schools are kinda trying to comply with that <hes> that that i plan can i think that's kind of what was happening with what they were doing with the swim roster so an interesting point that was made by one of your sources that i hadn't considered before is that levels of participation and high school for women. It's up to about forty two two point eight percent which is just enormous leap from seven percent of all high school athletes being women on when title ix was passed in eighteen seventy two but forty three percent is not fifty percent and so then the question is if we're talking about equitable opportunity have we reached a point where we can say there have been a couple of generations forty-three percent seems like a good and fair and accurate number. Let's just aim for college for the number to be forty-three percent rather than having it be whatever the level of of women in the student body is right eight no that that i was actually the one that raised that question because i looked at the high school data and it's it's it women's relative to men and the high school level is still growing i should i should say girls and boys but <hes> but it's largely flattened out and it would take another at the current pace that would take another thirty five forty years before they wait ever matchup yet. Yes on the college level. We're we essentially take a view that it should be fifty fifty and i raise the question it's possible but girls are just less interested in doing sports than men but i'll tell you the the female tight on advocates. They are just adamant that that is not the case that that women are just as if you give them in a good opportunity they are just as interested as men and women but to me the numbers research suggests something different than that except that football does skew all of this because football rosters even though high school level are much bigger than any women's sports roster sir. I do think that over the next lane over the next two generations they're going to be a lot fewer people playing football and other guys schools awesome that is going to change the participation numbers dramatically and just nailing it with us now. It's that the the numbers are yeah. The numbers is are are not changing that much in the in in the big picture right now so i don't know how long it would take together point and i just didn't understand why it was such sure <hes> <hes> so heretical to suggest that women might not be as interested in sports my daughters now. They weren't that interested in sports. I'm trying to use them as an example but i will say they were part of the course in highschool in the chorus. Eighty percent of the participants were girls. Does that mean the chorus was discriminating against boys <hes> and that's why the the numbers were so out of balance yeah but if you look at it relate to interest well except that if you give you've been historically demonstrated that if you give girls an opportunity to play they will play here in washington d._c. The public the school system was hit with two federal complaints about title nine participation levels. One of the responses by the city's athletics fled ix programs was to add more women's sports and guess what girls play flag football now and no there isn't that much the problem in inner city schools is funding but again when football sucks up a lion's share of school budgets for athletics. You have have to find creative work arounds if you can find new sports that girls have not had a chance to play they will historically. It's been demonstrated play them and you can't you can't just assess what interest is in a vacuum and separated from cultural and social conditioning and norms and so we're just never going to get like a controlled experiment in america or the world about what a true level of interest is and so i i do think gets note worthy that after the numbers increased to like a huge degree than they have flattened out sign that seems like a data point that we should pay attention to but it's not something that i think means that i will be forty three percent forever till the time we have no one could make the case to me that the reason we have this fourteen percent percent gap between girls and boys participation on the high school level is discrimination. I just i said show me where that discrimination is happening and i just couldn't go to i. I didn't reach any conclusion on. It and i just did a story on it because i bought it. We should raise the question because the the the numbers are what what the numbers are yeah. I mean the takeaway from your series to me. Henry really is that if you're manufacturing opportunities that aren't legitimate this has been a long complaint of title nine nine advocates then that's not genuine outreach and genuine intent to help women have more opportunities than sports if you just dump them on a roster and not not letting them compete where you could be creating teams. That would be competitive. There's a big difference there right now i agree with that totally record us rates for the the world herald and omaha and his series on title nine <hes> we will link to on our show page henry. Thank you so much. Hey this is fun. Guys thanks now. It is time for after balls and stefan title nine was co authored by senator birch by and congresswoman and patsy mink. Patsy mink died in two thousand two it was renamed the patsy t mink equal opportunity in education act manque represent then ed hawaii first non white woman first asian american woman elected to congress. There is a nebraska connection for patsy mink. She went to the university of nebraska and the nineteen forties she protested racial discrimination and dorms there and got it overturned. She was elected. President of a group called the unaffiliated students of the university of nebraska which was a student government for non white students very cool. Yeah patsy not make that about patsy my namesake for title nine patsy teaming equal opportunity education act stephan. What is your patsy mink. Well alytus summer which means that america's football coaches are once again turning boys into men and last week in fairbanks alaska that process involved a drill real in which forty players were ordered into the deep end of a pool while wearing a sweater which they then had to take off and put back on again a handful handful of the high school players couldn't swim three began to drown. The head. Coach reportedly stopped a lifeguard from rescuing the boys. It's okay. They've got it on their own. One player quoted the coach saying the lifeguard and assistant coach just finally dived into the pool. The three boys were unresponsive in required c._p._r. But all all survived the near disaster in alaska wasn't the first of its kind in two thousand seventeen a sixteen year old football player on long island died when a ten foot long four hundred pound log that he and four teammates were forced to hold aloft while running a relay race fell on his head lawsuits are moving forward what the sweater in the pool and log carrying drills have in common is that they are staples of military conditioning programs that despite these obvious risks risks have been adopted by football and other sports at high schools and colleges in recent years the goal is team building and leadership development through what's known known as shared adversity last week in muskegon michigan active marine wearing fatigues and a t shirt reading pain is weakness leaving the body audie put one hundred and ten players from two high schools through an hour long grueling physical and mental exercise according to a news report at a beach on lake michigan the players were made uncomfortable and possibly disoriented by getting all wet and sandy and then they were barked through a series of military drills the the guy running the drills staff sergeant chase andress he might have been interested in more than getting the muskegon high big reds on the saginaw swan valley vikings ready for the upcoming season. He's the local recruiter for the marines in las cruces california last week. These centennial high school football team went through an annual ritual who'll running a mile and a half up mountain while carrying a ten to twenty pound rock. The run started at five a._m. It lasted about two hours. Players could could not drop the rock. This rock represents all the adversity that you're facing the coach. Aaron ocampo shouted it might be hard and you might feel like you can't keep going but we leave no man behind. We will get to the top of that. Mountain ocampo made the kids stop and do about a dozen exercises sizes along the way crawl under bars while holding their rocks do twenty five pushups with their hands on their rocks push their rocks on the ground while going uphill bill at the end the kids are ceremonially tossed their rocks into a pile ocampo commented on each rock praising some players for hauling man rocks wchs this style of training isn't new dozens of colleges from duke to michigan to tufts in multiple sports men's and women's have hired companies that promise military military style leadership training by putting players through navy seals marines or army drills missouri's men's basketball team called the two day workout out it paid for judgment day. What's the point in this while coaches of course love comparing sports to war and athletes members of the military reporters buy into the two stories about kids hauling rocks and crawling through the mud are almost uniformly positive and adopt military language marched troops fought battle warriors the players talk about commitment the coaches talk about toughness and discipline in the sadistic controlling way that coaches of unpaid athletes tend to do we were on the field eight o'clock monday night got off the field laughter eleven thirty and we're in the pool at four thirty the next morning. That's what north carolina state football coach. Tom o'brien said in in an e._s._p._n. Story after subjecting his team to one of these sessions a few years ago guess what drill they did on like three hours of sleep after almost four hours of nighttime exercise that's right they had exchanged sweaters in the deep end of the pool while some ex military dude screamed at them n._c. State one seven and six that season o'brien was fired wired whether this stuff has any real effect psychologically or athletically who knows but one of these companies which calls it's the program says on its website that it's is training workshops or for pro and college teams only which is telling the fact that these people aren't willing to peddle their day-long leadership training to high schools might be assigned and that they're not appropriate for adolescents but tough-guy coaches know better. They're the target audience for the bellicose marketing babble of outfits like the program which goes on at length on its website about how its logo is influenced by the shield of ancient sparta for the love of fuck. The tragic results in places like alaska and long island are sadly predictable. Josh what's your patsy mink one of my favorite weeks of the air last week city open tennis tournament <hes> if you ignore steph and the idiocy of holding a tennis tournament outdoors in d._c. in august but it wasn't even that hot this year good job new city open <hes> owner mark is not like ninety two at night it got down into like the low eighties it was pleasant. Highlights of this year's tournament where for this was cocoa golf's first event since wimbledon. I went to see her. During qualifying fifteen years olds made it through the qualifying rounds lost in the the first round of the tournament she did end up winning the women's doubles so she was kind of hanging around all week just delightful individual great player. I saw this moment where a little kid was kind of shyly approaching iron. She said you know this fifteen year. Olds was like don't be shy. Hi come over here with dreamlike extremely like <hes> if not totally comfortable with her level of fame. I think it's all kind of bewildering into her seems dislike extremely aware of the fact that there are children who look for like wanna be her and wanna be around her and and seems cool with that. It was very neat to say other teenage. Americans did really well in this tournament. So gough won the doubles with katie mcnally who seventeen years old and then there was another seventeen year old hayley baptiste who's from d._c. Beat madison keys in the first round grupp right around the corner from the stadium and rock creek creek park young black american woman the dc tournament benefits the washington tennis foundation which has been really great at that <hes> introducing and encouraging young black kids in d._c. To play tennis and so this was an example of of that <hes> coming to fruition china and also just really great to see like with co goffin with haley back to you. It's just a lot of black kids in d._c. Going into this tournament looking up to these players which is always so you know in a sport with traditional country club origins as always very call the say the main thing from the tournament for me though was this is my first time ever using the curious curious won the tournament on the men's side. We have talked about him on this program before i watched him play three times and he is as we've discussed unlike any other person playing this sport and it really that was really reinforced by seeing him and person so in a big stadium there is an and rock creek park in and say there's you know the the seats kind of go up very quickly so you can have a good view of the court and so it's this strange feeling of looking at feel vary like theatrical and dramatic where you have all these people staring down from mountaintop at these two players on the court and and curious to understand that in order to make your presence known environment like that you need to like play big and have big gestures and really play to the crowd and when he is at his best he has command of the stadium like nobody else i have i've ever seen so one of the matches i saw him. Play against yoshihiko nishioka the first set was whether in person or on television the best display of serving i've ever seen and he had eighteen for serves in the first set and made seventeen of them at like one hundred thirty some odd miles per hour anyone sixteen of those points like nishioka had absolutely absolutely no chance <hes> he did a fake underarm serve one of the first points and ishioka like a very charming guy himself like laughed about it and they were both having a good time kamath came on the court initiate was afraid of the moth and like the ball boy came and got rid of it and then curious pointed behind him like the moth was still there and he's like. I'm just kidding man and everybody laughed about that. It was genuinely a funny moment. Curious was like hitting shots between his legs. The whole match <hes> this was all like the first saturday the second side then i laughed and i thought afterwards for reasons that i think nobody really understood curious through a water bottle at the chair of the chair umpire and like threw it so hard the label of the water bottle stuck to the chair. This is like a very bizarre angry agra moment and match. I didn't see against jail simone. He also refused he is to shake the chair empires and at the end <hes> and so there are these like kind of moments of just anger and frustration that come out that it's it's seems seems inexplicable and it's also incredibly awkward for the crowd <hes> and so all of this culminated in the semi final match against stephens sports hero the greek gods stefan us fifty pass twenty year olds <hes> stephon stephan nurse stefanos <hes> each of them one ninety one points in this match. They each won forty eight of their fifty eight. I serves each one sixty and of their thirty. Three second serves very evenly matched but in fact if you watched the match it wasn't that even curious was up a set and a break again in the first set his service untouchable. He's the best serve and men's tennis like there's nothing you can do about it with his <music> power and placement and when he's playing his best he is unbeatable. <hes> he lost his three points on his serve. In the first set he was hitting dropshots. He was just the crowd ad was loving it. Then in the second set sort of by where i was sitting there was conflict and the stands where a woman accused of pushing her her child this was happening during a changeover and women's starts shouting like if you touch my kid again just over and over again and she's leaving the stadium and this is when the players players are starting to play and curious loses the first point while this is happening and he gets extremely agitated about it. I think he wasn't clear about why why someone was shouting in the stands what was going on and she just loses his mind. He cannot deal with it. He blames disturbance in the crowd for him. Losing a point on his serve irv when he had been like totally locked in and totally ahead in the match he loses to serve and he just goes away and the set he stops trying. He throws his racket twice. There's a a service game where <hes> stefanos is serving and he <hes> <hes> just start hitting forehands like one hundred twenty miles per hour like out then he he like accidentally makes one and start shaking his head ed because he'd been trying to lose the game on purpose. He ends up losing the sad people in the crowd are booing him and then in the third set gets back together. <hes> starts holding us serve again and gets to the third-set tie-break. He's down a match point six five. It's unbelievable serve saves match point then he gets matchpoint for himself. Goes goes to talk to a fan in the crowd asks the fan. Where should i serve this ball. This is the thing he started doing. In this tournament goes up hits. The wedding serve goes back hugs. The fan hugs <hes> his opponent at the net and that's that everybody cheers from after the match renee stubbs great commentator on the court asks him. How did you kind of get it back together. In the third set he answers unlike some totally all way just needed to find the concentration on the tennis channel jim courier another great commentator asked the same question. They both choose to ask about the third set about oh. You got it back together. How are you able to do that. Nobody asked awesome anything about the second set because he won and i think you want to focus on waikiki wine rather than why he lost or maybe you don't want to make a mad just because he he is not fun when he's angry <hes> but you know what i came away with from this tournament and he won the final stephan. We were talking before you recorded about how he said. This was one of the best weeks of his life. It changed him <hes>. I feel i've made major strides and and maybe he has but like <hes> you know i i'd also didn't talk about how he played ping pong with kids during the tournament he like delivered shoes to citizen that semifinal. They're just all of these. He's moments that showed what a great showman and how fun he has and it's really ninety percent of the time that he's that and then the ten percent of the time when he's not is is more memorable than the great stuff just because it's i don't want to overstate and say that it's scary but it's very clear that he does not have control. I i think it's simplistic to say that he doesn't wanna try. He obviously wanna tries and wants to win and revels in winning but there are just moments where his mental anguish or his inability to control his temper just outweigh everything else and it's awkward. It's not fun for anyone and when he doesn't win. It's not forgotten when he wins. It is for which i guess isn't surprising but it's just like it was a very tumultuous experience for me as viewer. You're all. I do wonder whether curious would be as good as he can be. If all of that one way is just part of his characters and the part of his personality finality i mean he talks about wanting to get these things under control and out of his life. After the habits needed to change i just had a lot of unhealthy habits and it was starting to show on the tennis. Federer was famously like saul an angry early in his career but just never at this level and so you question. Is it something when it is at this level that you can eliminate or can you only with mackin row hewitt control at a lot of the time but then it would explode and away that again was not fun like they're the you know you cannot be serious. That stuff was <hes>. You know i think at the time people some people thought it was awful and some people thought it was great but there is stuff from mcenroe that's much uglier than that and their moments from curious that are much uglier and so so. I just think you know the other thing that this weekend reinforced for me. Is that when people say you know. He's the most talented player you know. You might think that that's just because he's he's so clearly squandered so many of these opportunities that that's just like a thing that people might say to reflect the fact that that it's wandered but no it's like. He has really the most talented player out there like nobody can serve the way that he served. Nobody can do the things that he can do on the court and so hopefully we'll see more of the good stuff uh-huh that is our show for today melissa kaplan pashas and subscriber just reach out dot com slash hangup emails hangup athlete dot com <hes> you're still here. 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Morning Joe 10/28/20

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Morning Joe 10/28/20

"I'm Lindsey Graham the host of one ratio American scandal we bring to life some of the biggest controversies in US history presidential is corporate fraud corruption in sports. In our new series, we look at a decades long campaign by federal law enforcement to target activists fighting for racial justice. Federal agents went after everyone from Billie holiday to Martin Luther King Junior and would ultimately face public reckoning subscribe to American scandal on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcast join one plus to listen ad free in the wondering amp. You know now with them. Get. What. Turned on Coleman Kobe covered cover covered Komen covid. Go ahead. And well, what is closing argument? That people are too focused on Kobe. He said this one of his rallies, Kobe Kobe covert he's complaining. He's jealous of COVID media coverage. If, he had been focused on it from the beginning. Cases wouldn't be reaching new record highs across the country this week. He's Great he's he's jealous of COVID media coverage. He's the coronavirus. Well hit fire him if he could Willie. Yeah. I. Mean President Obama's in the pocket as we say right now his his approach for the last week or so has been sort of to mock president trump let Joe Biden take more serious stern criticism and President Obama's out there with substance mocking the President United States including his jealousy of Colvin's coverage. It's an amazing argument. The president apparently is GonNa make it right up to election day. That there's much coverage of the thing that's dominating everyone's life not because of media coverage but because it's in everyone's life in two hundred, coming up on two, hundred, twenty, eight, thousand people according to our on the screen have died all the families that impacts all the jobs that have been lost all the kids missing school but the president thinks it's getting too much coverage well. We're here we are. We're, and we're seeing the impact on that economy once again. Because scientists doctors are saying you need to take care of yourself and your family's. Because Americans are a LOT SMARTER DONALD TRUMP, they're not going to go out and they're not going to risk an outbreak in their family. They're not going to risk the lives of senior citizens, but you're seeing the stock market yet another day going down significantly consumer continents going down not because of the media coverage of Covid. And not because there's more testing and that's causing more cases of COVID. But because they're more cases of COVID and more people are dying of Covid. It is again you know those Woodward tapes. Those Woodward tapes we thought were instructive for what they said of Donald, trump's past performances but they're actually they're so instructive Meka of his current performance that he's actually he's been caught lying. On audiotape? And he thinks supporters are so stupid the type of people that you can leave abandoned in a field. Now he thinks his supporters are so stupid. That even though they've heard his own words saying how dangerous covert is he can do as his closing argument he can lied through his teeth more. About covid more about an economy that he's completely trashed. And about a healthcare system that he's completely trying to. Turn upside down by in the middle of this pandemic by doing everything, he can do to biology affordable care act and it looks like he's going to get his wish where the Supreme Court that will vote now to do away with Americans pre conditions, and he can get a lot done with his supreme court nominee as it pertains selection. But again, a president angry at virus that he himself could have controlled and anybody else could have done a better job than him along with Joe Willie and me we have White House reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemere former US senator now, an NBC News and Msnbc political analyst Claire mccaskill is with us this morning. Really. Nine, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. Fifteen years before Jonathan Lemere was born Loss. Angeles. Win Their last world series. They. Did it again last night is longtime common. It'd be two years. I've been a long time since Kirk Gibson was pumping that fist as he rounded first base in game one when the dodgers last one, the dodgers winning the world series last night in game seven, three, two, one over the Tampa Bay rays they are the best team in baseball have been all season they deserve. To be world champions Mookie Betts had a big game. Put the game on ice with a home run in the eighth inning but Jonathan Lear the headline out of this game we'll be the decision by raise manager Kevin cash to Yank Lake Snell the two thousand eighteen cy young award winner in the sixth inning. When he was dealing, he was cruising having given up only two hits. But what happens with these analytics guys they look into the binder they see. Okay. He's been through the lineup twice I don't like what I see. Let's go Yank see the frustration on Snell's face reliever comes in and loses the game for the race. This isn't a question of twenty twenty hindsight gets. On this decision this was in real time a suspect. That we were all wondering why he was doing this. You're right. He didn't want to. He didn't want. To face hitters third time that's sort of been the Bible that they use for pitching there in Tampa but Snell, he was absolutely dealing the dodgers couldn't touch him. You ride him as long as you can, and it couldn't have been more predictable. The dodgers instantly pounced and tied the game and then went on ahead and certainly there deserving champion they've this is their Third World series appearance. In the last four years, they lost the other two one of them to the shooting Houston Astros. Certainly happy for Clayton. Kershaw. One of the game's best pitchers who finally, but it had some postseason struggles who finally gets a championship Dave Roberts Red Sox hero. mookie Betts sure would be nice if the red sox could get players like that Joe the kind of guy you'd. Build a franchise around. You'd want to put in place for decades more than maybe the young fans and entertain would want to buy their jerseys and make him the sports hero for their team but instead he plays on the wrong coast. You know one of these years and I don't know when. But one of these years are Boston Red Sox may have a player. Like MUCCI beds. But it clear? Let's talk about the race for a second year Incredible rise by team that beat the Yankees beat the Astros. And and have built an incredible organization and the town that let's let's face it in a town that doesn't love baseball. They don't even like baseball if you look at. Their attendance records, but you could actually see this coming last year. Remember looking up at the end of the year and seeing the race had one I think ninety ninety, one games nobody had seen that coming. They've got a great coach regardless of his decision last night we've got a great organization and as a team, they've got a lot to be proud of this morning. Hurts my heart more than a terrific baseball team that doesn't have the fan base. It deserves and that certainly the Tampa rays at this point. And by the way I'm crying in my beer to you guys lost mookie Betts. While we gave away was arena I mean he had. More, post-season I mean we gave away from the cardinals. So you guys that we both have something to be depressed about in terms of losing players could have really contributed to are the teams that we love. What an implantable postseason he had meka. We were we've been talking about him through the entire series and you just make a woman. She stop. This kid this yeah. What I say. Okay all right. All right, guys. We'll get back to first of all the president. And Co. Vitkovic. COVID or Marcia Marcia Marcia for any of you use Brady bunch fans. But I some new ground stay Marcia Marcia, Marcia Marcia had killed two, hundred, twenty, five, thousand people and. Yeah that's true. That's true. Slight plot twist. Battleground state polls, we've got a week less than a week till the election. Let's start with Michigan the latest Reuters Ipsos poll puts Joe Biden ahead by nine fifty to forty three percent in Nevada. The latest New York Times CNN college poll shows Biden leading by six, forty, nine to forty three. In Iowa. The latest Iowa Next? Star Rob Research Poll Shows Biden leading by four points fifty to forty, six percent with a margin of error of plus or minus four points, and in North Carolina the Reuters Ipsos Poll Shows Biden ahead by one forty, nine to forty, eight percent with a margin of error of four point four points. So Willy, thank really. Let me just let me just say. By saying I, trust absolutely no polls I. think it's a hangover from two thousand sixteen but I trust no polls if donald trump within three points of Joe Biden, any poll I immediately colored that state red. For no good reason at all but. I hear I hear what? People in the media are saying about this race. And it sounds remarkably similar to what they were saying about the Clinton race for years ago and yes. Over. Fifty percent and a lot of these balls and yes. Joe Biden's popularity is higher than ever, but we live in a tumultuous world changing World Poll started by people picking up the phone calling getting responses we've become. We've. We've become far more Senegal's skeptical society even over the past four years how many people are telling the truth? How many trump people are even picking up the phones again? I know they're doing the best I can do but. I for some reason, I just a very skeptical when I start hearing people talking about Joe, Biden's moving towards. Comparable win. Well, you're not alone you're joined by just about every Democrat I know who's saying I don't believe these polls for a second everybody's got to go out and vote. It's part of the reason you're seeing these massive lines for early voting people getting out they don't trust the mail they don't trust the polls they want to get their vote bank right now, and as you said, North Carolina the State of Florida. Is a big concern that's tight. Who knows which way that's going to go and Joe Biden yesterday spent his time in Georgia, which shows you how that campaign it's thinking that they even can expand the map even that yesterday had Democrats concerned. Why are you in Georgia? We gotTA lockdown Wisconsin and Michigan, and what about Pennsylvania? So Claire mccaskill you're always a good barometer for us on this having lived through a lot of elections. And watch the way the elected turns out or doesn't turn out. So where are you right now as you look at the polls Joe Biden definitely has a wider polling lead than Hillary Clinton had it this time four years ago but yet? Some skepticism from Democrats. Yeah. There's two or three things that are different that make me feel a little better I am like every other Democrat I will not believe it until I. See it. The coalition that trump had which was. He was competitive with college educated women. In four years ago, he won seniors. and. He won independence. He is not winning in any of those categories now and he is losing college educated women by like twenty five points. So I look at that I also look at his favorability, he's much more light. Than Hillary Clinton was at this point and the other thing I'm looking at the data is forget about the polls look and see who's voting in Georgia one out of four voters in Georgia that have already voted are first time voters or not reliable voters. These are typically not the people who show up early the people who show up earlier typically the ones who vote every single time. So the fact that we're getting this kind of early turn out from infrequent voters, new voters. Gives. Me Hope. Well. The crucial state of Florida has surpassed. Its twenty sixteen early vote totals Floridians have cast six point, eight million ballots already with almost four million cast by mail the statewide turn out thus far as forty six percent according to the US elections project with forty two percent of voters being Democrats. Thirty. Seven. Percent Republicans and twenty percent independence but in Miami Dade. County which did not mail absentee ballots out until the last possible day turn out was less than forty six percent and lagging for Democrats, and as of Tuesday evening the State reports that in Miami Dade fifty two percent of Republicans forty seven percent of Democrats and thirty seven percent of independence of either voted early in person or cast a mail in vote. Democrats maintain about an eighty thousand vote advantage so far in Miami Dade County a county where Democrats need a strong showing for a chance to win that state. Is that enough Joe No not right now. But again it's going we'll see what happens. We've got several more days Of Early Voting Jonathan. This this is gonNA sound a little complicated for for some. That that have followed Florida politics early voting. But let's let's talk through this very quickly So Before voting, you have absentee ballots coming they get counted that usually tilt strongly now towards Democrats then you have in person voting, which usually tilt towards Republicans, and then on election day both sides were screaming about thirty five percent of Florida's population was going to be voting on election day and that would tilt heavily toward the Republican Party what is happened is. Instead of Thirty five percent of people voting on election day some party leaders thinking that number may be down to twenty, twenty, five percent because so many people are voting early. Hillary Clinton had I think about the two hundred and fifty thousand vote lead going into election day with the Republicans. Picking. Away at that four, hundred and fifty thousand vote lead the Democrats had last week. It's probably half of that. Chances are good. Bye, election day both parties are going to be even. And what we've gotTA figure out. What what the parties need to figure out is whether they're cannibalizing same day voting. So so what they're doing is how many of those Republicans are moving their election day vote early and changing the calculus of how much Biden's Biden's going to be going in to the final day ahead the thought was Republicans weren't worried when Biden was up by four, hundred, thirty, thousand, four, hundred, and fifty, thousand votes early because they're like, oh, well, those people who usually would vote on election day. So they say they're cannibalizing those votes now that Republicans are doing so well in early voting. Republicans and Democrats are asking the same thing of that so. All of this is a pretty good way of saying it's going to be a few more days until we can figure out exactly what these trends main but Democrats were feeling a lot better when they had four hundred, thirty, thousand votes banked. Instead, of now, they're probably by the time they report this morning and be closer to two hundred and fifty thousand votes banked. Laid that really well, that is the key here are these simply Republicans in this case who would vote on election day that have decided? To voter to go ahead and do that perhaps after the president's wave of rallies, they're in recent days we know his rhetoric of course has been to perch day of voting in most places because he's cast such doubt on these mail in ballots. So are these simply Republicans would change the timing of their vote or these new voters. That's the question that both campaigns for both parties are obviously watching right now but certainly, it is going to be a few. More days where we know more about these trends in Florida remains the tightest battleground state on the map, and it's the one that the trump campaign certainly feels most confident about and frankly needs to because there's really no path to victory without at the president he's out West today, but he is it most of the day but he ends his night in Florida. He's got more events in that state tomorrow a they know that he simply has to have it Joe Biden meanwhile has mentioned has been he he and his running mate Khama Harris expanding the map a little bit by. In Georgia yesterday going to Iowa this week as well. Another state the president won pretty handily in two thousand Sixteen Comma Harris heading to Texas and I do think that yesterday's move did raise spark some concern among Democrats, that are is Biden getting ahead of over his skis here is this Hillary Clinton going to Arizona in the final week of two thousand sixteen instead of staying in the upper mid West but that Biden camp feels confident they feel like they can do this they can make the trump team defense and that they have the ability to expand their map and they wanted to lean into the FDR symbolism of how big Biden presidency would have to be. So. Clear. Let me ask your opinion listen my my opinion is yes. I love winning landslides when Iran I loved I love running up the score as much as I could, but it was only focused. On fifty plus when I didn't give a damn if I got ninety five percent or if I get fifty plus one, I wanted to win and I'll. I saw Biden in Georgia I'm like, Dude. You should be in western Pennsylvania. You should be in Philadelphia Delfi. You should be in this I. Think I think he should be in Philadelphia and in Pittsburgh and all points in between over the next six days but I'm just curious. Is Too conservative approach here. Yeah I. Think it is. I actually disagree with you I think it makes you know I hate prevent defenses, I hate them I like teams who go for points even when they're in a position that looks like they might win aggressive on offense and that's what this campaign is doing and I think it's terrific. He's been to Pennsylvania so much joe and he's going to be back in Pennsylvania over and over and over again and I really do think they have a reason to feel pretty good about Wisconsin and Michigan. So why not go to Georgia where the whole lane is frankly almost as stable as it is someplace place like Arizona. And we've been pretty felt pretty good about Arizona now for weeks. So spending time in Georgia spending time in North Carolina spending time in Iowa maybe even stop in Ohio? I. Mean We know now Bloomberg is a real money into Texas and Ohio the people in Texas are dying for Joe. Biden. To stick his toe down there for him to actually show up and it wouldn't surprise me and the weekend before the election if you see Joe Biden Texas. Know Clear calls it proven defense I look at it was more like punching somebody in the face until their head is. Author shoulders you just. Make. Sure you win and you just pound away at it I guess I would say that's actually three yards and a cloud of dust abide abide if they're if they're feeling good about it I my feeling is it Wisconsin and Michigan's looking so good right now for Biden that they focus on Pennsylvania and if they win those three states, that's the election is over, does it matter what happens in every other swing state but that that in you've got some new polling out of the West. To underline the point, you just made about Michigan and Wisconsin. This is just while you've been talking to Claire Washington Post ABC News poll shows. Joe By up seven points in the state of Michigan. This is among registered voters, not likely voters registered voters up seven and in Wisconsin in this poll Joe Biden up seventeen points in the state of. Wisconsin. Fifty seven, forty in the Washington. Post. ABC News poll that just cross topic covered. Yeah. You know clear that probably is covered cover covered. It is so important because in. General are always fighting the last war as a lifelong almost a lifelong Republican Democrat than Republican spent as a Republican in my public life for so many years looking at Wisconsin. Wisconsin was always out of reach for us. It was always a state we tried to win. We get close to winning but was always out of rates. I campaigned for some candidates in nineteen, ninety eight and Wisconsin looked around I said this ain't Republican territory and I'm just wondering if we really are saying Wisconsin returning to norm. Michigan Ra- shocked by Michigan four years ago returning to norm that some Democrats, some Lifelong Democrats, some loyal Democrats. Took a chance on a guy who said he was going to shake things up. and. They said, okay we'll try the Republican this time but now you look at those Wisconsin numbers and they're like not again on your life. Yeah what's happening in I believe in Wisconsin and Michigan and I it may happen also in Pennsylvania these rallies are not helping trump with the voters. He knows priorities USA without with a poll yesterday that shows persuadable voters they look on in go what are you doing? Yes, it is right now. So the visual of watching that campaign watch the trump campaign they heard these people in they make them stand shoulder to shoulder because they wanted to look like it's a bigger crowd. They don't allow them to spread out they have barriers up to make sure that they are so close they could. Breathe on each other and spread it, and they seem the numbers go up in their states. After these rallies, these rallies are hurting Joe Biden excuse me are hurting donald trump and I think that's one of the reasons you're seeing this spread in Wisconsin that, and of course, he's getting on this cyst from binds given. This is from Ron, Johnson who's been such an idiot. That I think the Republicans in Wisconsin have really shine has gone off of the apple for for the Republicans in Wisconsin in more ways than one and just one more thing to underline in this. This is in fact likely voters I want to correct that it is likely voter. See you have in this poll anyway to abide up seventeen points among likely voters in the State of Wisconsin into underline Clare's point from earlier. Here's the woman vote in Wisconsin Joe Biden's up thirty points plus thirty among women and Michigan up twenty four points among women. So there you have sort of puts. Exactly, what everyone's been saying here for the last few minutes at. Jonathan L. Mir. The White House is known for some time that they were in trouble in Wisconsin. They started backing away from it. I know Donald Trump went there but you've been telling me that they've known for some time that Michigan and Wisconsin was even if it was out of reach by five point, six points that they could never get there now. I, think Clare's right I think we're starting to see the impact of of an outbreak in Wisconsin. Pretty Significant Kovin outbreak in Wisconsin field hospitals being built and Donald. Trump clumping together as many people as they can and. Like I told you yesterday the Democratic Person. That I talked to. That probably taking more Poulsen anybody this year said, our polls are showing us that the best thing. That can be done for Joe. Biden is when when news outlets show pictures of Donald, trump super spreader rallies it really hurts him in the polls. Maybe that's why his numbers have just completely collapsed in Wisconsin. Right Joe Remember this cycle began year and a half or so ago, pre pandemic the trump campaign of those three Great Lakes states actually felt best about Wisconsin. They thought that the party was stronger there they liked the infrastructure there. That's where they thought. They could place their bet because they know. On most of their maps, the only need one of those three to win least that was the original conception Wisconsin was they thought it was going to be two things have gone terribly wrong for the trump campaign they went all in on law and order after what happened in Kenosha and that of course backfired we've seen polling suggests that voters there did not trust Donald trump much preferred Joe Biden on that issue despite trump's scare tactics online order, and then of course yes. This this surge in coronavirus cases in Wisconsin that happens here, just run up to the election which seems to be causing voters to. Break hard away from trump because of his mismanagement of the virus, and certainly there are those on the trump campaign staff who do recognize that these rallies though there are certainly markers of enthusiasm and importantly keep the president. Happy and that's a lot of what this is about. He. Himself wants to have these rallies. He feels like that's his way of connecting with the voters but they recognize there's moments where they have backfired they create these images that so many Americans particularly seniors or horrified by crowds packing together no social distancing very few masks and we're seeing here his numbers really plummet in the upper mid west. which underscores what some people on his campaign it fought. That is focused here in this last week should solely be on this sunbelt Florida Georgia North Carolina. And then just try your best for Pennsylvania because you need one more and that's where the margin seemed to be closest. But his, as we discussed yesterday his campaign travel and approach remained scattershot and without much of a focus and he's expected to go back to the Upper Midwest. States Michigan Wisconsin well again, this weekend and Joe One last point as we talked about where Joe Biden is, and we heard concern on this show and we've heard from Democrats that made me. He's reaching too far from places like Georgia the way the Biden campaigns looking at this is they basically got three a-list candidates that they can spread around the country in Joe Biden Income Harris and yes President Obama. So. If Joe Biden goes to Georgia President Obama the most popular living American politician can be in Florida and they can spread Kamla Harris this week to Nevada and Arizona. Whereas Donald Trump is a one man show he's going to draw those crowds in certain places but they do feel like they can afford to have Joe Biden in Georgia because of the power and the draw that is President Obama. Yes absolutely, and still ahead on morning joe temperatures were near freezing in Omaha Nebraska last night. So bad for these. The president had his supporters Boston for rally but left many of them stranded in the cold afterwards. What some I think some I'd go to the hospital. Plus it was four years ago today that then FBI Director Jim Kony's October surprise rocked the election the New York Times Michael. Schmidt has a new look at how his wife tried to stop it. You're watching morning Joe, we'll be right back. He's always listened to your wise. It's a choice between the trump boom or abidin lockdown. Let's lock it all down by the way speaking of lockdowns. Let's get you governor to open it up. When it's time to fall asleep, do you have trouble turning off and winding down listen I get it. But no matter what your particular sleep troubles are sponsor ebb and their new cool drift versa can help. The versa is a lightweight and portable sleep system that can help calm. You're racing mind anywhere. It's this incredibly comfortable headband that provides a cooling calming sensation to the forehead through a personalized algorithmic to maintain a precise temperature. 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What's the worst thing that can happen to a politician getting voted out of office how about driving your car off a bridge and leaving a young woman trapped inside which is exactly what Ted Kennedy did in nineteen, sixty nine it was a scandal that rocked the nation and threatened to bring down the entire Kennedy Empire subscribe to even the rich Chappaquiddick on apple podcasts spotify the wondering APP or wherever you're listening right now join wondering plus in the wondering APP to listen Ad Free. President trump made a campaign swing through the Midwest yesterday holding rallies with packed crowds in Michigan Wisconsin and Nebraska super spreader events all over the country after. Do they have do they have t shirts? So that riders I'm sure Super Spreader Twenty twenty, I, mean he's a human super spreader looking at this. He maybe that's it. Maybe it's the human super spreader twenty twenty. Tour they have. Survived the Super Spreader tour of twenty twenty. On the back, literally unless it's You know I. IT actually be a time of joking in the show right now if it wasn't so unbelievably true and not funny. He wrapped up his rally Omaha Nebraska last night hundreds of supporters were. Though less behind in nearly freezing temperatures capture for hours with no transportation you've been left behind were bussed in and then less there. Oh, trump departed omaha air force one around nine PM. So he's loo out on his presidency J. Very comfortable in their. Raider and people serving. You can wash his hands is fifty times after the rally and these began lining up for buses because they were both damn figured they'd be bust out right to return to their cars lot of borders many of them were elderly waited for those puzzles to take them to distant parking lots as vehicles tried to navigate through airport traffic. Reports place the outdoor temperature at thirty two degrees according to the Washington. Post. By, ten thirty PM there were still no buses incite. Crowds didn't fully clear the rally until twelve thirty, a m three and a half hours after the president departed great planning NBC Super Spreader Planning NBC News has obtained a Maha. Police dispatch calls from broadcaster by that describe at least seven people being taken to the hospital. Due to severe temperatures. A political reporter for the Omaha World Herald posted these. Last night with the message. If you're waiting on someone who attended the trump rally in Omaha. It may be a while until they get A. Bus To get out. Traffic along the small roadway to the private side of Epping Airfield is packed up and buses we're having trouble getting through. Nebraska state Senator Megan Hunt tweeted supporters of the president were brought in but buses weren't able to get back to transport people out is freezing and snowy. In Omaha, tonight what people will do for this conman what people have sacrificed is so sad to me he truly does not care about you the Atlantic San. Applebaum. Summed up the events. This way quote trump leading has supporters stranded in the cold. Is a perfect metaphor for twenty, twenty gum but. Clare, you have again though you have Donald Trump campaigning? Across, the Midwest campaigning and that Omaha district that all important Omaha district. He wanted to go back to, and of course, we certainly hope that all of those people that were stranded out there. Are doing okay those went to the hospital. Are recovering alright. This morning and a comfortable this morning. It's really. Sure Clare. You know from where you're from living upstate New York that gets dangerous really quickly. So, we really are hoping and praying they're fine. But. Clare. Let's talk about this Midwest Strategy. Again, he's he's locked out in Wisconsin looks like he's locked out in Michigan. Omaha that district still pretty close. But if you're Donald. Trump. Do you focus on those sunbelt states is that your best chance winning those sunbelt states from Arizona to Florida up to North Carolina and then taking Pennsylvania? Yeah there's so much about the trump campaign that doesn't make sense to me politically I mean the visual of people in in very dangerous situations in light of this pandemic is one thing but he is you know going out of his way to try to pick one or two electoral votes in places like Maine and Nebraska, where they divide their electoral votes in their state. Meanwhile Biden is going place to pick up dozens. It seems to me that. Trump is behaving as if he's comfortably ahead in Arizona and that he's comfortably ahead in Texas. It is fascinating to me that he is not trying to shore up. Texas. At this point, you talk about a blowout if Biden were able to somehow turn Texas so it is. And by the way. Probably, the might be more voters in Texas it wouldn't be as offended by the super spreader events is perhaps in the Midwest for all of us really believe you should try to look after your neighbor. Even, in rural areas near a sense of community about taking care of one another. So I don't get him doing this. It shows you what a tenuous position they're in with electoral man. So we're talking about the logistical problem in Omaha last night. Let's talk about the content of what president was saying at these rallies. Yesterday he continued his false claim that the increase in corona virus cases is due to an increase in testing. The. Trump administration's testings are Admiral Brett. Jaguar says otherwise here I is president trump followed by admirals war. And you know where we have so many cases because we test more. So we go around and they're a very by the way we're testing very young people to testing people go. What does that everybody? In many ways I hate it in many ways I hated overall. It's good to have the testing we find out where it is and there are a lot of things but they use it to make us look bad. Testing maybe identifying. Some more cases I think that's clearly true. But we're seeing a real increase in the numbers compared to the Post Memorial Day surge on even though testing up this is a real increase in cases We know that not only because the case numbers are up and we can calculate that but we know that hospitalizations or gone up. Let's bring in reporter for the Washington Post Eugene Scott who hosted that conversation with the admiral yesterday all the also with us Dr Lippi Roy. She's an MSNBC and NBC News Medical Contributor Good Morning to you both. So Eugene, you interviewed admirals you are yesterday we heard some of what he said there. He's one of those public health officials who's been deftly walking this line for six seven eight months now of trying not to undermine the president but coming out and saying the facts and thereby undermining the president's false claims, what did you pick up from the admiral DC hit frustration for him that the president continues to go out and downplay this crisis even as it gets worse. INEX- seemed to express any frustration but he was very clear that his messaging was quite different from the president's. If you saw the entire interview at least five times, he not only said that people should wear masks and stay away from crowds. He held up a mask to his face trying to show how to put one on and it was just mind blowing different from what we're getting directly from the White House Ask the president plan to go that very night to go speak to a large crowd on and criticize his opponent and other people in the public health field for wearing masking talking about covert so much it just Another reminder of how inconsistent the messaging coming from the White House is how devastating that has been for so many people looking to Washington to figure out how to navigate this pandemic. So we heard from the Admiral Dr Roy. Let's let's hear from you because you've taken the sort of the high angle view of this for so long about kind of where we are, we know that the seven day average of cases as high as it's been. Since the beginning of this pandemic, we've talked about hospitalizations we've gone state by state and showed the case. Is, rising you and others Dr Fao Chee everybody else warned us about this back in March they said there's going to be more when we might get through the summer in milk back in the fall come back in the winter. So from where you're sitting, where are we in this crisis good morning Willie I cannot believe that it's October almost November twenty twenty and we are far far worse today than we were back in March and April when I started talking to you on Morning Joe statements like that from the president a still talking about. Making this false, it's just a flat-out lie to say that testing is causing cases. Let's be clear and cases we mean infections in human beings. These infections are caused by only one thing and it's a virus it highly contagious virulent pathogen which by the way doesn't need help in spreading yet the president by holding these massive in person rallies he's the. Viruses number one wingman willy, and it's really directly correlating to what we're seeing in the healthcare field doctors and nurses and respiratory therapists and frontline healthcare workers are being bombarded yet again by patients I and now with with the winter coming, we're GONNA see a rise and other respiratory viruses listen just such as influenza not to mention heart disease and stroke and cancers. It's going to be a significant burden on the healthcare community Willie. So doctor. I. I guess I. Wonder a sixty year. Old Man. Who wants to go to a trump rally like the ones we just? showed. Comes to you and says, I want to go to this rally what? What do you say? What is what would you say to this person to help them understand perhaps a different point of view or is there no talking to them? Meek I've be pre pandemic I devoted my career to taking care of people with substance use disorders. Addiction people are homeless people out records island incarcerated. So these are not easy conversations. So what I would say to this gentleman or any manner woman out there particularly those who are elderly who are more vulnerable to this virus and getting becoming severely ill I would ask them what's your goal I mean if your goal is to support a certain candidate that's great. You can support them safely from your own home you can donate you can. Mail in ballots you can. You can maybe go into to a polling place when you're wearing a mask but keep yourself safe and keep your family members safe. That's the message I would say because right now Meka, the administration clearly has kind of given up. Do you remember when Chief-of-staff Mark Meadows said something to the effect We're no longer going to control this pandemic. We're going to focus instead on what I was considered are downstream efforts, treatment therapies, right? That's not the same as investing it upstream strategies such as prevention masks distancing Downstream thinking as classic that classic downstream, costly Ineffective Strategies. That's not what's going to work in order to contain a massive a infectious disease outbreak Meka, and in fact, Eugene you have Republicans mocking yesterday. Vice. President Joe Biden for not having big crowds at his rallies when in fact those are laid out so that they're safe distance and everything else in warm springs but you've been looking at and. Writing about the role of President Obama. In this campaign, we talked about it a few minutes ago he was out in the state of Florida seems to be thoroughly thoroughly enjoying himself up on stage, and it really is extraordinary when you take a step back when you have a former president of the United States this openly going after this specifically this gleefully going after the man who came after him. Absolutely, and it appears that President Obama has been deployed to motivate two thousand and eight twenty twelve Obama voters who sat out the two thousand sixteen election. The number of those individuals is beyond four million in about a third of them were black Americans and so when he spent time doing yesterday, it's pretty much what he did in Philadelphia as well. He tried to remind those voters of everything that. He believes that president trump did wrong especially related to the economic downturn in the pandemic and what's warning voters that if they don't show up this year, things could get worse and so he's hoping that his message will motivate these individuals and it appears so far. It'd be effective when you look at some of the early voting that's happening in some of these swing states like North Carolina, Arizona, and Florida. Washington Post Eugene Scott Dr Lippi Roy. Thank you both great to have you with us this morning coming up on morning joe four years ago. Then FBI Director James Comey decided to reopen the Clinton email investigation just eleven days before the election a move for many that has come to market turning point in Secretary Clinton's two thousand sixteen campaign. The. New York Times is Michael. Schmidt joins us with his reporting on that next on Morning Joe. Hey, it's just an an air from the generation y you might have heard of us we've been around since twenty twelve check out this week's episode on Dj Thicky Dj was a twenty seven year old man who would end up dead while staying out of friend's house. Some witnesses say he turned the gun on himself while others tell a much different story. Out New episodes of generation. Y. On apple podcast spotify or the wonder HAP- join wondering plus in the wondering APP to listen Ad Free. I'm sure that some of you may have heard about a letter that the FBI director sent out yesterday. Well, if you're like me, you probably have a few questions about it. It is pretty strange. It's pretty strange to put something like that out with such little information right before an election. Hillary Clinton reacting to then FBI director? James Comey announcing it UK job I. Still, why are you tapping your idea? Just came out when they came. I remember the moment we were winning. Out a question that. Understand, it was for so white, put it out. But even if you get past that, there was a way to frame it to say as any lawyer would in America. There's nothing within the contents of this letter that should lead you or anyone else to believe that the overall conclusions of the FBI had been be altered by the contents of data but as a matter due diligence we need to look through this. BABBA. But your big dig because when my Jesuit robbed it the way he did it was like a bomb and by the way people blame Vladimir Putin, they blame. Hillary not going to Wisconsin, Wisconsin? Okay. That's fine. Then he'll end Putin. Yeah. He did some some they blame everybody. was his Komi Ladder like Ria we've listened to Donald. Trump's. Speeches and and four years of these tweets arrange tweets from this man and a devastating foreign policy. Because this letter, the race was over until this letter dropped. I'm not saying James Comey was doing it for any reason other than he thought that. It was what he was supposed to do but he also thought he was supposed to hold a press conference after didn't indict. Hillary. Clinton if you get your died her. Are you don't indict or okay and if you don't indict her you dot all the press conference and then politically indicts our. Way We said that in real time. As. Well, then we say that slowly for you, you said that in wheel time as well it didn't make sense then. It still doesn't make sense to joining joining us now New York Times reporter was tap, and my yes. saw that tapping tapping makes me nervous. Near Times reporter and MSNBC National Security analyst Michael. Schmidt. He's the author of Donald. Trump the the United States inside the struggle to stop a president and his latest piece for NBC think is an excerpt from his book entitled Kony's October, surprise shook America four years ago today his wife tried to stop. Okay. So what is Michael? This is not a question that William I usually ask on this show but why did he listen to his wife and none come on man? So the night before the decision Jim, Komi comes home from work and he's in the kitchen and he says. You're never going to believe what I have to do and Kunis wife immediately recognized the problems with the decision. She could see that this was going to be bad for her husband and she could see more importantly that it was going to be bad for Hillary Clinton and she argued with her husband telling him saying, this is too close to the election. How can you do this and she's pushing back on him and forcing him to try and explain why he believes he needs to do this in Komi in a very matter of fact, way lays out what he says or to awful options that the speak or conceal, and she's a gas at what she's hearing she can. Her husband's logic and why he's deciding to do that and she knows not to Invoke Hillary Clinton's. As a way trying to say look you're going to devastate her candidacy and potentially hurt Donald trump but it's this moment there peering into the future of American. In a way that that no one else no one else in the country knew what was going on and they're sitting at their kitchen table discussing this and she's really trying to stress test this decision and it gets a little. There's a little bit of friction in the room and he gets a little bit of frustrated with her because he doesn't think that he's really helping her. As he confronts would he knows will be one of the most the biggest decision of his career. Claire mccaskill. We can certainly sympathize with Jim Comey saying my God. What if I have this information? And I don't release it, and then it comes out after the election than I completely look like I was in the tank for Hillary and was covering up information that that could be detrimental not only campaign but to or legal standing. At the same time. I thought the way he released. It was so ham-fisted. There had to be a better way to release something like this within days left in the campaign. Komi delivered the Presidency to Donald Trump and it is ironic that trump has spent almost four years try to pretend that somehow the FBI in the Department of Justice and the Obama Administration was trying to keep him from being president. It is so stupid. Cul deliver the presidency and by the way, Komi? He's got to go to his grave knowing he elected Donald Trump and I think he does no, he elected Donald Trump but the other thing is when you look at the time period. Michael. When. You look at the time period that they had this laptop, it went like thirty as they could have dug in and gotten all the information and the letter he could have given out two weeks for the election could have been the letter that he. gave out right before the election that cleared her. But instead they sit on it I mean talk about malpractice you talk about a problem. That is what this country had happened. It me election. It wasn't that they were trying to hurt Donald drug. It was there incompetence elected Donald. Trump. The the the thing that I think that if comey were addresses and he's spoken a fair amount about this is basically when the decision is presented to him, he believes that this process of having to go back and look at the email is going to go on for many weeks. It'll be something that maybe even take months months to do and I think that if Komi had known that they were going to be able to go through these emails as quickly as they did because by the Sunday. Before the election they had figured. Out that, there was nothing there I'm not sure he would have done what he did but what happens is is that they make the announcement and within within a matter of days by the next week by by the Sunday for the election, they have determined that there is nothing here. There's nothing that changes anything and they put the second statement out just I believe on the Sunday before before the election, they put this statement out that basically says we haven't found anything. So it looks like to the public that this was an exercise. We know why did this happen and obviously there are reasons that were happening and there's thousands of pages of justice. Department documents that come out afterwards that explain it but that was the story at the time and it certainly did cast these questions over Clinton that she had largely behind her as folks were going to be election and I think that for Komi the ironic thing of the entire thing that in Donald Trump donald trump does as much damage to the FBI as would have been done. Had the FBI been accused of covering for? Hillary Clinton and I think would call me would say say well, I had to really bad. Choices in front of me. Hey Mike it's really good morning. So it feels like over the last four since that decision made by Director Komi he's been in many ways repenting for it. You know whether it's his TV appearances has book the pensive Instagram Post where he's looking off alone into the woods, all these things where he's going after Donald Trump does he now as you talked to him for this book does he regret the decision he made or does he say I had a tough choice? I, had a job to do maybe I didn't liked to do it but I had to do it does he live with regret over that? I think much more the latter than the former I think that Komi thinks that he had two bad choices and he made the best of those two bad choices and that if he had done if he had not said anything. And there had been something there on the emails which he didn't know when he made the decision then I think he believes that it would have done irreparable damage to the FBI. Now people on the other side of that argument would say that Donald Trump as president has done as much damage as could have been done to the FBI, enter the Justice Department in the way that he is politicized things in the way that he's interfering in its work in the way that he has talked about its investigations in the way that he is trying to use the powers of the Justice Department to protect himself and to target his rivals including combing. His calls is repeated calls for the Justice Department to Investigate Komi. Into demonize call me. So, I think what Komi would say he says, I made the best of to awful decisions in no matter what I did I was going to be damaged. That was done to the FBI. I mean the the funny thing about it all is that when comas is fired. So that's November of two thousand sixteen. He's fired in May of twenty seventeen. The president you know relying on Rod Rosenstein 's rationale in a memo for why. Komi should be dismissed. The President says that it was comey's handling of the email investigation is why he should be fired. Now, a lot of people would say that his handling of the email investigation. Is why Donald Trump got elected president but Komi would probably say look I was going to. Take it one way or another, and I had a decision to make. I'm Michael Schmidt. Thank you very much. The new piece for NBC think is out this morning based on the reporting from his latest book. 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Sliced Bread (Entry 1172.MK0652)

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

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Sliced Bread (Entry 1172.MK0652)

"This Nisa we are Jennings and John Rodrick. We speak to you from our present which we can only assume as your distant past the turbulent time that was the early twenty. I singer during the great cataclysm that will surely befall our civilization. We began this monumental reference of strange obscure human knowledge these recordings represent our or attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica that would otherwise be lost so whether you're listening from an advanced civilization or just reinvented the technology to decrypt our transmissions leggit you. This is our time capsule. This is the on the bus you have accessed entry. One one seven two dot M. K. zero six five two certificate number five zero nine to five sliced bread inventor. Can you seem to the outside world like you might be a tinkerer. Is that right. Do I give off a tinker vibe. What's he building. What's He got his work bench. Yeah do you do you ever. Do you ever have a brainstorm where you think you know. I just made the perfect spouse trap spouse like am. I building a trap for myself or for a new spouse well. No you don't need a new spouse. Here's houses great so yeah I guess I would need both one to kill off the current spouse like tiger trap and then some kind of honey trap for the newspaper. Spouse seems hard to trap. She's very concerned here she she she tried to paint like a fake tunnel on the wall of ecliptic and she would run into it and she did but she disappeared into the tunnel and then. I tried to follow her and Bang I hit right into the wall. Have you ever have you ever put a big pile of bird seed in the middle of road. Put put like lead pellets and she's not that into birdseed. I had to put in Greek yogurt just a big big BLOB ingredient in the middle of the highway in the southwest so are you. Do you come up with ideas. Do you come up little machines. I don't really have the. I don't really have the knack I would like to. I I remember as a kid always wishing. I could build a robot and thinking you could hit. Let's go down to the junkyard because people in Children's books are always doing this. Hey let's go onto the junkyard and then we'll build a robot and then we'll make it to who are chores. It's a little rascal I could never. It turned out to be so hard to even to even imagine how it would work back that I you know quickly gave up on all these plans. I was the same way I wanted. I wanted a soapbox racer go-cart so badly but my dad wasn't particularly handy and I did go down to the junkyard. Nice scavenged some old wheels and a rod that would work as a as an axle and some milk crates and a steering wheel from a boat. I mean you know I lived in because I grew up in the nineteen. Eighteen forties junkyard still were full of. UN spanky and Alfalfa went down but I couldn't figure out how to fasten all these things together exactly actually how do you put it together so headed out in the in the in the garage and I put it I put stuff on top of each other so that it looked like a go cart but it would not roll nor would it support my weight and my dad was no help you know he he I would ask him for help and he'd say well. It doesn't have to do with towards back to you if your dad to also all about torts yeah exactly but my kids have to invent things for school my son in particular last you had a very mechanically minded physics teacher so I was hoping he would be learning the laws of thermodynamics and he's like no. I just have to build a roller coaster where it takes the ball exactly twenty we seconds to get from here to here and I like that I honestly for an engineering career. That's probably really good prep yeah but it just meant that he was he and his smelly friends friends are constantly in the basement trying to get the making mistakes mostly Legos. That's the one thing I didn't realize as a kid like you should really just no wonder what the project does the Diorama for school the you know the the invention for the science fair. Just you just make another Lego. are expensive. That's the problem problem. Make them out of mega blocks. Nick them out of the not so good leg. That's not good. They really aren't you'll. You'll get worse grade but in this country we love inventors us and we're so proud in the United States of the mid to late nineteenth century and early twentieth century we are responsible for so many a new invention so many new conveniences that that were meant to improve our quality of life the patent office was working overtime they were working over the mouse straps and whatnot and it was a very American century or an American era. The era of the backyard tinker who who develops a you know a system that ends up being widely adopted a lot of it motivated by a desire to free us from drudgery three. I think by the late nineteenth century drudgery became a like a a major bugaboo for for for people as they realized though the railroad has shorten distances and the Telegraph has has a short distances were now able to live live like rich people and but as middle class people yeah when all you have this drudgery. You don't even notice you just assume I'm gonNA wake up and then I'm GonNa do backbreaking King Work for sixteen hours and I'm going to go to sleep and then it'll happen again until Sunday but but at this point we cleared the forests and and we were starting to build all these ingenious little apparatus and it sparked the imagination of the country and if you think about what life would would've been like for your average person in eighteen fifty and compared to nine hundred fifty sure we got soft we will but also been life in eighteen fifty in life in fifteen fifty for the majority of people more or less the same down and get water from the well and so forth but by nineteen fifty the the average American had access to an awful lot of modern appliances a modern conveniences that we we don't even think of whereas being the province of wealthy people now yeah laundry like nobody had that electric light indoor plumbing. I mean it's all laziness is very strong motivator five billion people in the world that that that don't have access to even door plumbing right writer doorknobs even or or even turn out if you could choose one if you could only have a doorknob on your outhouse or indoor plumbing and in fact over almost if indoor plumbing is off off the table right if if if if you risk losing indoor plumbing to choose any other convenience. I'm going to go with plumbing and Blah in a blind test depends on where you live live door behind door number one door. We live in a rainy climate. We have very strong reasons to not be wandering the yard in the middle of the night although you do it anyway the way you're you're saying committed. If you lived in a desert climate you would love to go poop in the news in the yard. It's a big if you live in the desert. It's a big litterbox. Basically there's yeah no need to trouble your tent but one of the one of the phrases that has become kind of a a like the catchphrase of this kind kind of tinkering ingenuity is is a very distinctive American phrase. It's the best thing since sliced bread or the the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's very interesting phrase because it suggests that the best thing you could think of in that moment as you were trying to finish the metaphor was sliced red that came in slices rather than loaves and because we are children of the late twentieth century we we cannot envision a time when the lack of sliced bread was ever an issue for people. It seems like it seems like a pretty small extra. Step to slash your bread when you think about the upgrade between a hole in the ground in your backyard and flushing toilet next to your bedroom. That's game game changing yeah. We're electric light versus sure and to me. That's not there when it's a piece of bread that you have to cut with a knife versus versus a piece of bread that you don't have to cut with a knife. It's a it's an improvement. Don't get me wrong sure but it's a tweak. It's like it's wallpaper. We're from a time when when fancy people actually started to prefer to buy unslinging br. I was wondering if you were going to get there. It's the the slow food movement that's right. It's pretty fancy and I'm not going to get like my kids want me to buy like a wreck rectangular prism of sliced bread because that's the kind of white gummy stuff they want on their peanut butter sandwiches because their children and I'm like but look at this beautiful artisanal Baguette to foams. It's from hall. Seattle's Seattle's overpriced bakery like we should get this well bred of course has spelt it does have spelt probably has spelt bread is is clearly a very symbolic too human beings. We have used bread as a as a medium of exchange. I mean bread is like the ultimate sort of staple staple. We say our daily bread to mean food to be food right although when I say we maybe the West like I'm sure the Chinese rice. I'm sure the Chinese he's metaphor is rice. I think I think that's actually true yeah right in in in Chinese translations of the Bible when when when when the Bible in the Westwood Read Our daily bread give us this day in China. That's translated as give us this day our daily rice well. It makes sense yeah. I'm sure it says give us this day or daily potatoes. ooh. I don't think it does no no the Irish use the same Bible as the as the English in Portland doesn't say gives us the Stair daily Qinhua. I think it does in Portland. It says give us this day our daily wheat beer we'd beer beer. Do you have to have one of those day vitamin but but sliced bread bread is very symbolic right and and the technology to make whiter and Whiter bread was something that was also happening in the nineteenth century because dark breads Rye bread. CD breads were seen as the province of the poor. It has nothing to do with preference of taste. It's just the kind of people I've seen eating them. Yeah that's right. These hardy breads are made by by Polish immigrants or they're they. Are you know they're they have a kind of eastern European feeling but they're also the easier bread to make you get a bunch of grains together and grind him up in an in it goes and to refined flour to make it well. The process of refining it is was extremely laborious and then in the mid nineteenth century they they developed rolling we processing where the where the little grain the little grain would get kind of squeezed under a roller and and the colonel would shoot out and leave behind all of the wheat germ and the chaff the brand prince probably the nutritious nutritious part and then you could grind up this this these little colonels colonels and make white flour and then you could additionally process that until you have this like cake flour or you can bleak it. I at least you literally. You'd be literally put like chlorine or address and peroxide or something to make your it's not it's not an accident that it kind of in addition to not being what. I've seen the poor's eat. It's also got a white pure color right right it. Just an accident of of color caller theory means that it seems cleaner nicer like snowy snowy bright and I'm sure it's led to all kinds of problematic racial views as well as this is our culture that white bread is better than Brown bread. The white things are better than Brown things and white cloth the white closer better and you know we accidentally applied to complexion election as well right. It's awful. I don't know if it's an accident. It might be self serving for the people who have white bread colored skin but white bread a- as white flour and white bread Were you know I arriving on the scene. They were rich people food. You know this was this the the idea that you could take the colored we'd germ out and only have a the purest part of the wheat. You know it was expensive to do you and white bread was was a was a luxury good things that happened with food luxury goods right. It's just whatever's hard okay difficult to get like saffron doesn't actually taste as good as garlic but saffron costs ten thousand times pint. What garlic cost because you have to put? What's what's much yellow with to pull it from? You'll yellow anther crocus planned or something whereas you know garlic's everywhere what was interesting about white bread was the more and more process it was of course the less and less nutrition was in it right as you said everybody know that they didn't know they did know it and by nineteen by by the nineteen forties people were getting Berry Berry and pleurisy and they they they were they were not getting the nutrition and there's a significant amount of nutrition in in seeds and and dark bread and there's almost none in white bread so by the forty s it was I think in the it was like early. Forties South Carolina of all places was the first state to mandate that that white bread be enriched with vitamins and iron look. It's this is so bad for you. We're going to artificially put the things you need back into it right. We're putting we're putting vitamins in it. Now and by nineteen forty four there was a became national law that all like yeast raised wheat products had to have fortification vitamins and other nutrients put into it and that's still true right all that all that enriched enriched bread. I took my kids out to that animal park on the Olympic peninsula retired Disney started out with retired Disney movie animals knocking walking around but now they've got herds of zebras vices and whatnot and they'll just reach into your car and they'll want to eat because for many years we treated these wild animals like ducks. We went people would just show up with their big lows of wonder bread and you know the llamas have they'll stick their head in your drool over you know you have bread but at some point in the honestly the eighties or nineties maybe remember this animal rights groups complained that this isn't the bleached white flour bread is not what any yeah these animals reading the wild and in fact. It's not healthy for them. They're not getting the nutrients they need even with the South Carolina mandated iron or whatever so they were. They were protesting this the existence of this wildlife park and with good reason. It's absolutely not wrong yeah. It's it's just like it's just like feeding them marshmallows for all intensive purposes but but then it was during that period the mid twentieth a century that white bread became gradually over the course of our lives whitebread went from being a an expensive commodity or at least a privileged apprised thing to have your lunchbox because my mom wouldn't buy wonder bread. She wouldn't buy white bread she only would buy we've bred from the three day old rack back when I was like yeah and so I you know opening my my my speed racer lunch pail and sitting kind of shame at the honey-soaked crust of my or a wheat while all the all the fancy girls around me pulled out. There wonder bread sandwiches. I feel like as a kid. We had the wonder bread. I and I associated that with my parents generation. I thought it was cool to have the Brown crunchier. we'll see you. It's a little bit. You're a little younger than and that's what happened in the Wildlife Park Doc as well. The the the park agreed to the animal rights protesters objection. The animals should not be fed white bread and now what happens is when you drive into the park. They will issue so you a loaf of whole wheat bread. That's nice which you can then you can then feed the cheapest whose bread vice and I'm sure that's much more like what they eat on the Savannah when you go to the supermarket now there are five hundred kinds of CD crunchy nutty Brad Dennis in Seattle. It's harder to find just a boring squishy white right breads impossible almost yeah and of course my daughter still the first time she had a sandwich on white bread. She was blown away by it like like because it is it's just like eating and and so of course she prefers it because it is. It's just like it's it's the bread equivalent of macaroni and cheese my wife the kids by getting something that's it's somehow it's a wheat bread but it's colored white. I'm not sure how they're doing this and maybe it's a scam well. They do have they. They do have like albino wheat there. Is that the whole. The whole grain is there but it doesn't have any color. The problem is that if you leave the germ in when you make the flower the flower will go rancid because the German living stuffing. Let's get a longer shelf life so if you take the germ germ out if you if you process it all this this like super processed flour can sit on the shelf a lot longer like indefinitely but if you but whole wheat flour flower with the with all of the German at yeah goes bad so does the sliced bread metaphor refers specifically to like is that from the you white bread era. I mean when some who who were the first people to sell pre sliced bread. A Lotta stuff was going on during this period of the How much of the shares are saying a lot of stuff was going on during this period of stuff. Let me tell you about this period a lot of stuff going on unlike other periods which had few stuff's throughout the nineteenth century and before like I mean people recognize that toasting bread was delicious and the way that you toasted bread was a little kind of cage yeah put the bread and the kids it over a fire in Iraq over the fire. That's right and then flip it over and and and toast the other side making s'mores. I think I would rather just eat bread doesn't seem worth the trouble to me well. A lot of people felt the same way in the late nineteenth century during this age of invention sort of contemporaneous with with Edison trying signed to perfect the light bulb. The other major research in that direction was to create eight electric filament that would toast aside of bread so they're trying to the easy bake oven. Basically these were the two things that mattered most of them like we could get elimination from this technology but also couldn't toast bread. Can we get toast and it was harder to get the bread toaster than it was to make the electric light bulb because because the electric light bulb that film it heats up within of the vacuum of the bulb so there's no risk of fire there's no risk of the the the the controlled environment inside the vacuum whereas toaster to be next to something very flammable right and then the filaments would tend to melt. They tend to catch on fire. There were a lot it was a lot more complicated to make to build the first toaster so Thomas Edison's. Just a moron basic says it's like Oh. He's over there with his life. The easiest thing whereas in the next lab Garrett toaster is working on his namesake invention. Well it was actually the first electric toaster is from Scotland it was invented ended by a guy named Alan mcmasters not mcmasters but mcmasters silently Scottish in one thousand nine hundred but it but it kind of you know I it continued to who evolve it was sort of invented again in the US in one thousand nine and the original toasters you had to turn the bread it would toast one side and then you manually pick the bread up. Flip it over to the other side. It's like record players yeah right exactly eventually they had the kind that would read both sides birth and send so then there was a lot of there was a lot of experimentation in the in the toaster field trying to invent a toaster that would flip the bread head automatically box. It wasn't like the they didn't imagine put put the toasting elements on both sides. It was how do we how do we get a lever or something that the flips the brand and knock amichis tape deck. Can you imagine the guy that had the I woke up in the morning was like wait a second. We can just have a second set of filaments well. I do know who that guy was. That was Charles Strike in nineteen twenty six who invented the first pop up toaster the first toaster that is like a contemporary contemporary toasters to toast the bread on both sides and it knows when there's a timer to tell it when to stop toasting which was a well initially it was the the problem with early toasters was that the first set of toast you made took a lot longer than the second set because it takes all that time too he torma so there so that was. I mean believe me. toaster technology continues to evolve There should be starter bread. You put put in you know like like this. First Marriage is not going to last here like charter the hell out of our this they they they came up with various ways of sort of the toaster coaster either pre heating or toaster. You know instigating having internal dynamics that would tell you when the toast was hot enough like low temperature sensors thermometer toasters now are one of the one of the first places that the Internet of things started to to reside toasters that were connected to the Internet toasters that you could. There's a toaster that will take the daily weather weather report and toasted into your bread so that if it's a sunny day you're toast will look differently than if it's a rainy answering during a problem that no one actually has no one cares all as you have been eating toast in our thinking. Why doesn't this bread. Tell me the weather forecast. There's a toaster that actually has two slots for hotdogs so you can toast your bread and too hot dogs like you put them in vertically. Can you put a bunny well. I guess I mean yeah. I think the toaster actually the slots are rounder so that you can put buns in and make I mean that's. I guess that's solving a problem. I didn't know ahead. That's more like the that's more or like the solving the problem. What do I get Dad Right. That's exactly right. It's like this. Nobody wants this thing but it's a it's a novelty so it's a gift and it sits in the kitchen for about a month and then moves it to the garage. I guess we know how large must be a sandwich. You can make them in a toaster. Oh you're just GonNa Wade right into that. I don't WanNA get in trouble. you know there are toasters remain kind of a problem in America you have you. Do you have a problem in America well yeah because like over eight hundred deaths from electrocution right. toasters are still a little because people will just jam before they're like an electric fire on your counter and and yet there are all kinds of bad things can happen. Toaster can catch on fire at any at any moment frankly and that is probably at the center of our story story because the toaster invented by Charles Strike. If you are hand slicing bread I knew your fancy pants and so you do this periodically. You hand sliced bread. I do have to hand sliced bread. It's it's hard to get your bread into uniform slices and if you're using an automatic toaster and putting sort of randomly sized slices in the toaster the toaster does not work as well. Oh bread will get jammed jammed up there too thin cook fast. The thicker pizza is one of one slice wolf can fold over and collapsed under its own weight. the other one won't even go down or or won't pop up with extremely dangerous. I mean that's what usually happens. It doesn't go down so you know the thing goes down the breadsticks you jam it down and then it will pop up. You'll hear the click but nothing POPs so we can only imagine how these these worlds are colliding but but a man named auto row vetter are Rohwedder who lived in Davenport Iowa while he was a he studied to be an optometrist he he was a jeweller are there. He ran a series of jewelry stores but he was a tinkerer. He was one of these great Americans who was out in the garage trying to invent a better mousetrap and the problem problem that he identified in the world was that bread was unevenly sliced bread. Slicing bread was an onerous task. It took up so many man hours and it could be there was a there was a way to automate and he worked on his worked in his garage on his automatic bread slicer. This is in this is before the invention of the toaster as we know it the pop up toaster but it is after the invention of the toaster coaster where you need to flip the bread yourself but these things are happening contemporaneous. We've got technology advancement on the toasting side. We've got people moving ahead on the slicing side like we've got wheat being refined. We're were. It's just like the moon landing. It's like the Apollo Hollow Program. Let a thousand white flowers bloom right like so much is happening at once. We're going field. We're GONNA we're going to transition from a time where loaves are shaped like turtles to a time when you can go into any. Deli in America and get a uniform ham and cheese sandwich that looks the same people that kind of efficiency is if you can stack the bread red neatly at ships in or easily really seems future bread to these people well auto works and auto had that great that great quality that a lot of inventors venter's do where he believed in his he believed in what he was doing and he committed to it fully he sold his jewelry stores and poured the money into his bread slicing machine plans and mockups. His wife's like odd all hot. Oh come on honey but there there was a tragedy. There was a fire in his workshop that burned all of his his mockups all of his designs all of his plans hands and it set him back it sending back ten years. Maybe not ten years yeah. Let's say let's say ten set America back ten years red technology well. We America didn't even know what it was missing because the thing is pre sliced bread. No one knew they needed sliced bread. It's just just like right now. You and I are sitting in a world that future links can only try to try to imagine what it was like for us to live in a world old pre automatic tongue scrapers or I'd I can't. I can't imagine what the new technology we knew. We'd be like auto and we'd be doing it right now. There's an auto sitting in a garage somewhere. Hopefully that garage is not on fire. Garages have autism now. I would give you a credit for that but I I can't find you. Don't call this love autoparts. Your brand comfortable well. You did you you you you really hit one out of the park and then your second one was kind of grounded thrown out at first but auto undeterred goes back to work and in Nineteen Twenty eight has his bread slicing machine ready and he patent it he he he gets all the necessary pounds all of his innovations and it truly is an automatic bread slicer think how far how do you must have been to the of the culture the fact that he had to punt for ten years and he was still still first on the scene. It was not an the immediate success. There were some people were people like this is not the best thing since anything there were there were some there was like a little a bit of it. Took a little bit of time there was a there was a company in chillicothe. Missouri and I think it might be chilly. Kobe because I I have a pair of cowboy boots from Olathe Missouri and it spelt the same way so it might be chilly Kotha. I'm not sure you're the you're the expert on pronunciation here. I say Missouri. So what do I know chillicothe Missouri. I don't WanNa say chillicothe because I bet you. It's a chillicothe. There is a plant called the chillicothe yeah all right well. Let's call it. The chillicothe chillicothe these that sounds like a that sounds like a quasi southern town till copy tallahassee it sounds like something that that rem would say but they accompany called clean made and this is this is going to be a subset of this episode because clean made which implies that the bread is clearly we made right is spelled k. l. e. e. m. m. a. i. D. Clean made and this it was very positive. Vacuum your room. It's very popular in the Nineteen Twenties and thirties to to have these intentional misspellings as a way of expressing kind of modern and we're still stuck with all these products Kleenex and quick and stuff where the words are misspelled clean made they start selling sliced bread there in Missouri but the the problem with Otto Rohwedder. 's slicing machine. Is that it because it also. It's a slicing and packing machine packages the bread but once the bread is sliced the loaf is all uneven looking and so what is it because it's shaved things off to make you know they just hadn't figured out if you think about if you had if you had a loaf of bread and tried to slice it evenly and keep the bread even in a in a like an elegant looking loaf shape instead of just sort of a jumble of bread. That's all sort of out of position with one another. It's more challenging than it seems and autos machine packaged the bread but in a way that looked messy and people thought that breads GonNa go stale it's a it's an unappealing unsightly unsightly presentation so so a man in in Saint Louis that same year by the name of Gustaf Popping Dick. I know I have no jokes I know but the snorted he bought the he bought. Otto's second ever slicer but he made some improvements in the in the form of the way the bread bread was packaged so that it actually sort of packaged into a a little cardboard tray that kept the bread kept the bread even in a loaf made it very appealing and then a a man by the w e long had a company called wholesome bread wholesome spelled H. L. S. U. M. C. I just don't like that kind of I think it might have been a little bit folksy to those kinds of a frontier thing a frontier where where people would spell all correct as all correct and that's where we get okay for example it was kind of an American fad spell things wrong like in a faux naive way her predict dirty down but the banjos going a little little crocs right. All the food came in crocs at the time. Everything was in crocs. You remember the shoes. Do you remember when you would get cheese in a crock last time you had crunchy. I've never had she's in her crock. Margarine a Crock you did that was our main. KROC but was it a real crocker wasn't one of those fakers Pasta Crock yeah no no. I'm talking about like earthenware crock. Where did you live that. You're getting earthenware food. Do you keep it in a river to keep I know but but in the early seventies people were I might have been the slow food movement of the time people I I got cheese in a crock and we got potted meats got other things in crocs. How much putman potted meat were you eating. They Fed me potted meat but we were poor right yeah but it was has no less than the continental baking company in Nineteen thirty who wonder bread was already a product. Wonder Bread is dates from the twenties. It's not that'll make wonder bread. Continental did at the time wonder bread if you look at a wonder bread label and it's got those very color. It's very colorful. It's probably bubbles bubbles. The colored bubbles represent the represent balloons and the name wonder bread refers to the sense of wonder that that the vice president of The taggart baking company who were where the where wonder bread originating the Vice President Elmer Klein went to the international balloon race at the Indianapolis Motor speedway and he was so filled with wonder at the balloon had all all the balloons. It doesn't seem super. Bread related brought it back. He brought it back to the bakery and was like I've got it. I've got it. We'll call it wonder bread red and I think the original the original advertising campaign for wonder bread was kind of like the one for the segue where they didn't tell you what it was. They just said a new wonder is coming. It's going to change your breadbox forever. People are like what is it. What is it it could be. What if it's an automated scooter. What if it's a hovercraft turned out to be white bread. I think more food should be named after just something cool and filled with numerous power that you saw one afternoon right right right like Doc Plaza noodles a really nice waterfall tuna fish a cool double rainbow potted meat but as has things go in business right continental baking company bought the Taggart Baking Company. All these big companies not only do they have hilarious names like come and go but they have they K- they keep purchasing one another there. It's a very competitive business. Did the pop into guy come and go but wouldn't that that'd be wonderful. Why doesn't the world give us those things on a silver in western concern. Come come and go is spelled K. U. M. S. It is that's unfortunate. It's very popular there in in Wisconsin Minneapolis someone shower well. I think other state that has sex should tell them the problem is that people from from other states on road trips always pull over and take pictures of those places because they can't help themselves and big business. That's right so why would the place change its name. It's fair enough. We're we're part the problem. Continental introduces wonder bread nationally and it's the first national personal brand that comes sliced pre sliced so wonder bread and sliced bread go they kind of introduced to the majority of Americans. There's two kinds of bread and then there's the old crappy on sliced and there's the other kind of bread so wonder bread was introduced in nineteen thirty thirty nationally by the by the Continental Baking Company and wonder bread is a phenomenon in other countries too. Canada has its own wonder bread can wonder under bret is available in Mexico and most interesting we also in Pakistan really those are its main markets Mexico Canada America in in Pakistan. All are like big one hundred consumers. I got another Pakistan story. Some create must have gone astray well. It's just you know it's like somebody had a franchise opportunity. They're like you know I'm from Pakistan. I don't think anybody has the wonder bread franchise there yet so so by nineteen thirty thirty three nineteen thirty three was the first year that more pre sliced bread was sold than sliced breads insanely recent yeah right prior to my mom was born in thirty four so alive today not having sliced bread or having depend it was is one of those things depending on the house right you go into this. This friend's house in her mom didn't buy that newfangled slash bread and then in your modern mom with her modern. Her modern puffy sleeves was like we only eat sliced bread over here. It's full of wholesome goodness. It's full of wholesome goodness. It's it's it's enrich its enrich because we squeezed all the nutrition out. AVEC and then in that same year nineteen thirty thirty three the hero of our story our Rohwedder sold his patents his lawyer bread slicing patterns to the micro Westcote Company. which doesn't I have a funny way? It's just already a funny American business name micro West Micro West co- small and Western but wonder under breads motto during this period was it's slow baked and slowest belt s Elo so is it good. Do you want breads. Said said well. It's like do you want music. That's played really slow all the time and quality. I guess you're supposed to think that went into this is the the the originators they are the originators of the slow food movement. It's just slow S. L. O. Did auto auto get rich. Get his he got rich and he became the think he sold his patents to two micro. West Cohen he became vice president of the operative. I think it was like the rohwedder slicing. division of the company is wonder bread later after their bread was enriched. Their new slogan was helps. Build strong bodies intended for ways. That's when I remember we're not getting into Myra but sliced bread was not without controversy uh-huh the the best thing sense sliced bread business people started saying it fairly soon after the invention invention of sliced bread because immediately following the invention of sliced bread someone else had an innovation that they wanted to compare to this miraculous sliced bread and so there was a there was a feeling that like in the United States we kind of have a sort of uniform size size of a bread slice but other places around the world don't want to be confined to one size of slice like there. There's different applications for this kind of sandwich you on a big piece of this and that's right for Texas toast. You WanNA thick slicer in the United Kingdom. You can buy extra thick sliced bread thick medium or thin to stick have to seize hilariousness dwelled. That's how they do it in Ireland. Oh No in fact Ireland you can can buy a you can buy bread called sliced pan which is either of eight hundred or four hundred hundred grand loaves in Japan. They have a lot of different sizes of bread slices but it's measured in terms of how many slices are in a loaf so you can get four sliced loaf. You get ten sliced. Loaf doesn't help me. I don't know how long the loaf is well. That's the thing they need to go back to the drawing board with Allen as far as I'm concerned the Japanese do not like nick do not like their sandwiches on thick slices. They want thin slices. I'm measuring Japanese. Wonder style. Bread is being incredibly square like you know how when American British Square is still has that kind of boop at the top like poofs at the top and then a longer bottom and I feel like Japanese bread really is like square like a sponge yeah well. They cut the next day they cut. The crust off is that they make it square. There's a sandwich bread in Japan is actually sold without. It's like cut Super Square. You're absolutely right. It's uh-huh for MOMS who were tired of cutting off the crest. They're picky kids right. Well just like I don't know who who knows what's going on in Japanese food culture not I. I had a friend when I was a kid whose mom told him that he wouldn't cut off the crest because that's where the nutrients were yeah spifer that to somehow goes to the outside of the low fat because it's Browner exactly surround is nutritious nutritious. I mean it's true if she's talking about an apple but she got apples and white bread confused right probably foods the three in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. There was an innovation in sliced bread. which was that a single loaf that had both thick and thin slices within the same loaf alternates yeah or either either that or it's one half of it is one kind and the other half is the other? I'm not sure however the probably both styles were invented at one point or another by some tinkerer. I would do the two ends. One person can deal at the time I can do off the bottom you have access to both but that was advertised as the first improvement since sliced bread is that the origin of the of the the idiom well all in and then in nineteen forty. There was a package of bread sold that had to half loaves within a single package and that was advertised. Does the greatest convenience says sliced bread so because it was a kind of a game changing innovation that later had a series of aggressively WLI marketed tweaks. That's how better than sliced bread best thing since sliced bread became part of American English gradually evolved but but the controversy versi around sliced bread happened during World War Two as you know and as we've probably hinted at two future Ling's in discussing this era era there was a lot of rationing in World War Two because America felt like we needed and this was true of all nations at War you needed all resources this is dedicated to manufacturing material that supported the war effort there will be unpatriotic. DABNEY's tires on your car. That's rubber you're keeping from Europe and we weren't making new cars ars that were no new appliances may during that period and also there were there were metal drives and resources drives where you would take the bumper off off your car and take him in and donate them to the war effort to be melted down and turned into battleships to to fight here. Hito and a there were a rationing involved also that you couldn't just go to the store and buy as much food as you wanted. There were it was not that it was not that America didn't have the same resources but it was that we needed to dedicate a lot of food to our troops overseas and also it was it was it was labor intensive to harvest and process food too so you got little tickets ration cards for how much meat you were able to buy in a week how much coffee or I guess you couldn't even get coffee coffee but one of the rationing suggestions or one of I'm sorry not suggestions but edicts was that in in nineteen forty three the food administration issued a ban on sliced bread a I'm not sure what is being conserved there well the idea being that sliced bread required wrapping wrapping paper heavy waxed paper to keep it together once it had been sliced through. We needed that waxed paper for the war effort and unslinging bread. You could just buy a loaf carried home under your arm. You can put it in the basket of your bike. You could put it on the behind. You're sticking your shopping bag like a French woman. That's right with your beret on a Jaunty angle and so the food administration said in January of forty three no more sliced bread in order to in order to help our troops overseas. If you're eating sliced brand you're lunching with Hitler right. The problem was but by nineteen forty three a lot of delicatessens. A lot of restaurants had their own bread slicing machine like bread slicing machines. Were not difficult to scale down to the size of a single loaf of bread or you. Don't you don't have to do a factory or a truck full. It's easy to jump jump. Jump mm send a piece of bread threw a blade so there were all kinds of restaurants and businesses that said well. What do you mean we just have to put a tarp over our bread slicing machine Ashim. That's seems Kinda. Crazy like to basically use it as a cutting board to use a knife to cut our bread but the the ban was enforced forced because if you could get bread at a place that had their own bread slicing machine that was an unfair advantage that those places had to places that had been forbidden bidden from serving pre sliced bread the nanny state Laguardia in New York state came out in favor ever of allowing local businesses that have their own bread slicing machines to continue to slice their own bread but the food administration shot him down there was a lot of Hullaballoo because a lot of people on the home front had become so dependent on the convenience of sliced bread that the prospect of going back to slicing ten twenty slices licensed bread a day. It seemed like how would we ever. How would we ever return it would be like the government coming into your house and say you're not allowed to use toilet paper anymore? Can you have to find a different way. there was a black market like by sliced bread. Drive your car some alley behind a deli. It's kind of his trenchcoat and he's got sliced. Predator on the inside of the code band did not last long. There was a lot of There's there's a lot of outcry. The Fischel stance was that they did some research and discovered that they actually had a surplus of waxed paper such that it it could accommodate both the military needs and also the sliced bread market that was lucky yeah and so in March of forty three. They repealed the ban I would tell. FDR Are you can take my sliced proud of my cold dead fingers one one major effect of sliced bread that that that I guess you you wouldn't have predicted but of course it makes sense is that it inspired a similar boom in the sales of peanut butter and jam and sandwich meats and cheese so the sandwich takes off and away it hadn't hadn't before because if you have to sit in slice a piece of bread every time you want asleep a piece of bread that extra little bit of Labor inhibits you from just walking through the kitchen and grabbing a COUPLA slices bread making his image you you are faced with the prospect of getting out a knife and cutting this crusty bread. The Sandwich had not reached its final form. That's where I'm the earl of Sandwich Zahra all you have to do if if all you have to do is Walton to the kitchen and pull to perfectly sliced iced slices of bread out and go to the refrigerator and find you make a big hilarious. Dag bums dead middle of the night sandwich and so it so the the whole like multi tentacled big Sandwich Sandwich Sandwich Culture became a mid twentieth century and phenomenon. That sounds easy we wouldn't we wouldn't need a sandwich if we had to cut the bread ourselves go away. If you had an enemy a regular loaf it'd be like it's Kinda just easier to eat a banana and that includes sliced bread entry one one seven two dot m. k. zero six five two certificate number five zero nine to five in the omnibus future. I know in your time. You say things like this is the best innovations had social media possibly ironically instead of sliced bread but in our day social media was the new sliced bread. We could not get enough of it. You know in the past if you wanted to show pictures to friends ends you would just be like yeah. It's too hard. 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The future congressman, John Lewis was very nearly killed all he was trying to lead a march for voting rights across the Edmund Pettus Bridge at Selma Alabama. John Lewis, and his fellow marchers black and white mostly black. Were set upon, by Alabama, state troopers, and by mounted Posse, the local sheriff had rounded up among local white men. And the violence that day against the marchers was horrifying. It turned out the country was watching as it happened and that bloodbath on the bridge in Selma. Led directly to the passage and then the signing a few months later of the National Voting Rights Act President. Lyndon. Johnson signed that law in considerable part because of the horrific blood sacrifices of those peaceful marchers. President Johnson signed that law to try to make good on the promise of universal voting rights for citizens of this country. And that law that Johnson signed it made a difference he signed it in one, thousand, nine, sixty, five this was nineteen, sixty, six people all over Alabama lined up in nineteen sixty six to vote black Americans who had never been allowed to vote before now, lined up in this incredible scene lined up to register and to vote. In the first big southern election where they had federal protection for exercising their right to vote. Thanks to John Lewis and his fellow protesters being beaten nearly to death by that sheriff and that Posse on the bridge and the spring of nineteen sixty five. Thanks to the country recoiling in horror and President Johnson getting that law through and signing it in the summer of nineteen, sixty five by the spring of Nineteen, sixty six. There was a federal law protecting the right of African Americans to vote in Alabama and everywhere in this country. And in Alabama that year in nineteen, sixty, six, it was a big election for Alabama. For. One thing there was the top of the ticket. On the Alabama ballot in the spring of Nineteen, sixty, six running in the Democratic primary for Governor of Alabama. was a political novice, a woman. Named, lurlene. Wallace. Mesler, Lane Wallace was married to the incumbent Alabama governor at the time the fire breathing segregationist and white supremacist. George Wallace. The George Wallace who swore segregation now segregation tomorrow segregation forever the George Wallace who stood in the schoolhouse door to prevent African American students from registering for classes at the State University. George Wallace, that George Wallace. At that point, the incumbent governor of Alabama. He was term limited out. He couldn't run for governor again in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six. So his wife Lurlene, Wallace ran in his stead to preserve his power and what would have basically been up puppet governorship George. Wallace was still really in charge even though technically his wife was the one who held the office and so lean stood for office and the Alabama Democratic primary of one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, six, and everybody knew exactly what that meant. And the black voters of Alabama turned out in that primary in nineteen, sixty six. Look. At this. I mean between newly having a real right to vote and imminently facing outcome they devoutly wished to avoid. You can see the drive and the motivation to get up and put on your Sunday best and get out and vote that day in nineteen, sixty six they were trying to stop the racist Wallace Machine. And they had a way to try to do it and they would be protected in exercising their right to their right to act to vote and to say, no. Well now, of course. All these years later in twenty twenty, we are living through our own time of lining up to vote. And of course. It's different. But we learn from our past. What we've got this year is a time of monumental turnout. Looks like enormous enthusiasm, patriotic sacrifice on a personal scale replicated by the millions and ultimately by the tens of millions. Longlines this year in two, thousand, twenty we will wait rain. We will wait in the rain heat we will wait in the heat deadly virus we will put on a mask and stand six feet apart. While we were there, we will dance we will send each other pizza. We will offer chairs and make sure the older folks get to the front of the line if we can. Regular American voters in small ways have been turned into heroes. This year because voting has been turned into something that too often takes nearly roic sacrifice. Now some of the fervor we're seeing out there at the pulse, this year is undoubtedly in favor of the incumbent president just as surely a some of it comes from the desperate desire to get him out of office and some of it comes from really awesome for the ticket that could replace him if he is voted out. Just like the Americans in that long ago, Alabama polling place in that photo from nineteen, sixty six we can't know what will result from all this effort we have to do it anyway, not knowing in advance happen. Block motors nine, hundred, sixty, six in Alabama top of the ticket. Turns out they were not able to stop thirdly and Wallace. She won the Democratic primary anyway, and then she became governor and so the Wallace regime kept its grip on the neck of the state without little trick inside the wallace marriage. But what those voters did and Alabama mattered. For one thing part of the way you can tell us that ended up being national news on all those black voters who turned out in Alabama nine, hundred, sixty, six, they advanced black candidates for the state legislature even for county sheriff's. The New York Times sent reporters a thousand miles to go cover it. MISSES IONA Morgan Sixty four years old wearing a hat and a bright red dress admitted with a giggle that she had had to work up her nerve to go into the lounge county courthouse and cast her first ballot. She said seemingly surprised quote it wasn't nothing bad. Another voter William Bolton Whose grandparents were slaves took a more positive view. It felt good to me. He said drawing himself up to his full five feet. Three inches. Made me think I was sort of somebody. The next county over from lowndes county was. Dallas. County home to Selma where the local sheriff was on the ballot that year the sheriff who had charged the marchers on horseback. John. Lewis remembered seeing his own death on that bridge with the Voting Rights Act was born the Sheriff who did that was on the ballot for re-election Nine, hundred, sixty, six. And you know. What happened on that bridge was was not an outlier in the tenure of that sheriff even before he sent horses into the crowd on that Edmund Pettus Bridge Sheriff Jim Clark had been a menace. To sell them for years. When high school kids and Selma demonstrated for Black Voting Rights Sheriff Jim, Clark random out of town. Look them. I mean it literally look at them running. He literally ran them out of town in a forced march that reportedly involved cattle prods. Kids. Two days later. Sheriff Clarke, went to the hospital with chest pains and the kids who he had run out of town knelt outside the courthouse and prayed for him to recover. You believe that. That's the kind of sides. We had those kind of people who were on two different sides of the fight that year the side hitting kids with electric cattle prods, and then the kids who would pray for the man who was torturing and persecuting them. You can see Sheriff Jim Clark there in the the white helmet. The following year that's him there in the white helmet. Trying to personally intimidate a man who'd come to register vote under the voting rights. ACT While you wearing your helmet cer-. Set your gun on your hip. In the months leading up to that one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, six, election where. Sheriff Clarke was on the ballot the sheriff sometimes used force. As you can see here as he tried to stop new voters from registering, he was violent against black voters with no compunction sometimes instead he stood by and laughed and jeered at them personally as the black people he supposedly served in that county lined up to become his voting constituents. When they lined up by the hundreds on election day and waited their turn to vote Sheriff Jim. Clark then did his best to stop the counting their ballots. As Sheriff, he personally challenged the contents of whole ballot-boxes entire ballot-boxes from six minority precincts. He said there were all fraudulent and those votes shouldn't be counted. This is how one lawyer from the US Justice Department remembers that moment in time this was written up in the American Bar Association years. Later. Quotes Justice Department. Attorney John. Rosenberg recalls that counting the ballots took a long time and when six predominantly black wards hadn't finished by late evening the county's democratic executive committee picked up the boxes and refuse to count their ballots. Rosenberg says quote we filed a civil rights action to require them to include the ballots we were talking about who would win or lose but the ballots in those boxes needed to be counted. That action that day in that Election Alabama. The year after the Voting Rights Act was passed. The local sheriff who had beat the hell out of people protesting for black voting rights. Took it to the next step on election day try to block black votes from being counted that day that election that crucible was the first time the federal government intervened in an election like that under the voting rights act of nineteen, sixty five to protect the votes of black Americans. Justice Department lawyers entered into a civil rights action to make sure those ballots from those block wards were counted. And it worked. The took it to court court order that all the votes be counted. Even the black ones. Even though it was later in the evening than anyone expected. Rosenberg remembers quote we were before Judge Daniel Thomas, which we were worried about because he'd been slow in desegregating schools. It was more conservative judge Thomas that the ballots counted and the result of that counting. Was that Jim Clark was out. Sheriff. Jim Clark was out. The voters had voted the votes. got counted. And the worst of the worst was out he lost. Governor's race did not go their way that day. But the sheriff who very nearly killed John Lewis the sheriff who butchered his way through peaceful protesters in that bridge in Selma who terrorized the people of his city And jeered at them and laugh in their faces and intimidated them personally tried to block them from voting tried to block their votes from being counted if they could manage to vote he failed. They voted and they voted him out that day in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six decisively. To hear that while John Lewis went on to become a lie and a beacon of American. Democracy. Sheriff Jim Clark would ultimately end up. In a different way, he ended up serving nine months in prison on a serious drug charge conspiracy to smuggle thousands of pounds of South American drugs into Alabama. For the whole rest of his life, Jim Clark remained absolutely unrepentant about what he had done on the Edmund Pettus bridge that day and his jailing thousands of activists in the forced march of the school kids that we hit with the cattle prods and all of it right up until he died absolutely unrepentant. As we head into this election. This year with all of it, we've got on the ballot and all the challenges to getting votes cast and counted, and who stands in the way of that with all the new film challenges of no longer having a federal voting rights law with teeth in it and no longer having a Justice Department, the federal level that will help thanks to the hardline right-wing ascendance in the courts and in Washington as we head into this election, one of the things that we've got in our pocket. Are these photos? These interviews, we've got this lived experience this history to stand on and to learn from. In. Nineteen sixty six when the New York Times sent reporters to cover those long long long lines of African American voters turning out in Alabama and that fraud. Terrifying time one elderly first time voter named Mary Reese told The Times quote. I'm going to vote justice far against Jim Clark is I can against anybody in this world I've been wanting him out for a long time a long time. Reporter put that part in all caps but the word long in all caps. Paper found Miss Mary race in line along with another people or she had already been waiting for two and a half hours by the time they talked to her. People began lining up at seven thirty in the morning before the polls opened. This year, we are one week away from Election Day. As it stands right now in most states in I think it's twenty nine states although check the courts. You have to have your ballot in by Election Day or they won't count it. So, even if you put it in the mail, well, before Election Day and you get it postmarked well before Election Day in twenty nine states. If ballot isn't received by the close of the polls on election day, they're not going to count it. Twenty, nine states and twenty eight of those twenty nine states right now it's on average taking more than six days for local first class mail to get delivered right now. Well. That means it's done right? Do the math seven days from now it'll be six days from tomorrow if your vote is in the mail already. Bottom line it's it's pretty much too late now to submit your vote by mail. Obama Administration Attorney General Eric holder saying so quite bluntly this morning he said this online quote it's too late to use the mail. It's too late to use the males given Supreme Court rulings I. Urge Everyone to now vote in person early vote or use drop boxes protect your health don't let the court meaning the Supreme Court and the deliberately crippled Postal Service deprive you of your most precious civil, right. The top elections, officials secretary of state and swing. State Michigan saying much the same thing today in detail for the voters of her state she put out this press statement today see the headline Michigan Secretary of State. Jocelyn Benson says, it's too late to rely on postal service for absentee ballots. She says, quote we are too close to election day and the right to vote is too important rely on the postal service to deliver absentee ballots on time she says citizens who have already excuse me citizens who already how the absentee ballot should sign the back of the envelope and hand deliver it to their city or township clerk's office or ballot dropbox soon as possible voters who haven't yet received their ballot. Should go to their clerk's. In person to requested in person, fill it out, sign the envelope and submit it all in one trip. In Michigan three million ballots were requested. Two million of those three million have been returned so far. That means that a million are still out there. And now, if you're holding onto one of those million ballots Michigan that hasn't been sent back yet now. It's got to be brought back in person if you want it to make it in time. In Wisconsin nearly one point eight, million ballots were requested most have been filled out and returned already but more than six hundred, thousand Wisconsin ballots are still. Haven't come back yet. If you are holding onto one of those ballots hasn't yet been returned you need to bring it in in person now if you want it to make it in time. In, Pennsylvania, half the ballots requested, have it yet been returned if you're holding onto one of those ballots Pennsylvania that hasn't yet been brought back to the states, do not put it in the mail they need to be brought in by hand. Now in person if you're GONNA, make it in time north, Carolina Arizona's him again, half the ballots that were requested aren't back yet. Your ballot received encountered on time in North Carolina Arizona Pennsylvania all those hundreds of thousands of ballots need to come back now by hand in person, it's too late for the male. In Florida, it's two million ballots that haven't come back yet. You've got ballot in Florida that you haven't sent back into the state yet. If you wanted on time those need to be brought in in person by hand if you WANNA make it in time now. We have been talking for months now about this election as the first big national vote by mail election because of the pandemic but not anymore that part of it is over. In part because they really did purposely monkey wrench the post office to make that simple and safe solution not work. And in part because they realized that way too many people were still voting and so now they want to not count as many ballots as possible by any means necessary. Right we're seeing this flood of cases into the newly hardline conservative Supreme Court. Republicans fighting in state after state to get the United States Supreme Court to allow them to not count your. Ballot somehow, right to limit the time you have to get your ballot in to limit the places you can vote to limit the number of places. You can even just drop off your ballot to add to the list of Bogus Picayune. Reasons can allege some imperfection in your vote to disqualify to stop the counting to throw out as many valid as they can. That's what the next week and beyond is going to be like. And so. We stand in line. We take strength from our history. We will line up and do it. We will line up in places where they just want voting to take forever. So, those with the least time and resources to spare to give up, we will line up in places where they are determined to slow the mail. So we can't vote safely from home even in the pandemic, we will line up in places where they're determined that even if we cast our ballots, there will be challenges and tricks in rope courses that are ballots have to run through while they try to justify not counting them. The United States Supreme Court under its previous Conservative majority took the heart out of the voting rights. act. Years ago. And now the work of protecting the vote and protecting voters lives. and. Protecting voters ability to get this done. It lies much with nonprofits and political parties, legal volunteers and citizen determination as it ever did under the Justice Department in years going back to nineteen sixty five. Under this court under this attorney general under this president, there's not going to be any justice department attorneys riding in with the weight of the federal government on hand to protect citizen's rights to vote. It's not gonNA. Happen. We'll have to patch it together ourselves. And No. Importantly. We do not know what will happen at the end of the day. You never do there are no guarantees And right now in this election again, we are one week out tonight. The attention of course is on the top of the ticket. The whole world's attention is on the top of the ticket in our country. But what's down ballot to? Where a fire hose of determined voters can do almost anything despite almost any odds watch down ballot, watch the house watched the Senate Watch. Governorships. Watch the State Legislatures Watch County Sheriff Jim Clark when you do so so much is up for grabs. Now this week this time in these next seven days. If you find yourself standing in a line that ought to be a national embarrassment if you are waiting to put your ballot in the county's one lonely dropbox 'cause they closed all the rest of them. Know that you are pulling thread through a lot of history. You are doing something. We have all been taught how to do by some of the bravest most persevering Americans who ever lived you stand in the lines. You may not be able to do everything not everything may go your way, but you do what you can do and you won't believe what you can do. The Associated Press. Sent their reporters and photographers to cover that patient brave determined steadfast surge of black voters nineteen, sixty, six Alabama. Here's the final words of the AP caption. Under that photo that ran nationwide nineteen, sixty, six, it says quote all in line. Got Vote. The lines may take forever. I know. Stay Line. 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We know because you've been giving them whatever they want. For the last four years of course, they want you to win. That's not a good thing. You shouldn't. Brag. About the fact that some of our greatest adversaries think they'd be better off with you office, of course they do. What does that say about you? Former president, Barack, Obama in Orlando Florida Today on what the New York Times Mrs now, referring to as the former presidents quote new gigot gleefully needling trump. With t minus one week. 'til this election is over Biden himself heads to Florida. Thursday that will be followed by a double header on Friday he'll do Wisconsin and Iowa state that trump took by double digits in two thousand, sixteen Biden. Well, then beyond into Michigan on Saturday, some that are commonly Harrison itinerary shows democratic confidence as well. She'll make a stop in Arizona tomorrow followed by multiple campaign stops in the great state of Texas on Friday a state where Republicans haven't lost a single statewide office since one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four, but Harris will be stumping all day in Texas on Friday. Democratic ticket is hitting territory. That conventional wisdom says shouldn't be on their schedule with one week to go today alone Biden has not one but two rallies in great state of Georgia. Georgia. Going on offense and a state that hasn't backed a Democrat for president since. Nineteen ninety-two. Joining us now is Stacey Abrams the founder, a fair fight which works to fight voter suppression. She's a former Georgia governor candidate and former. Leader of the Democrats and the Georgia state legislature. Ms Abrams. It's great to see you. Thank you so much for making time to be here tonight. Thank you for such an extraordinary opening laying out what's so important in this election getting your ballots in that was that was really exceptional. Oh I got to say I had a little trouble with it because looking at those photos makes me cry and so trying to explain what I'm trying to say describing on trying to say keeps getting interrupted because every time I. Look at those visuals it just makes my heart burst. But. That's that's part of what I wanted to talk to you about I. Feel like we've got some new dynamics this year and some real calls to learn from our history. In part because even though this is a pandemic, this is supposedly the vote by mail election we're seeing these huge early voter numbers it. You've been among the people who's been suggesting that right now if you don't have your ballot and already you better get it in in person even if it is going to be long lines because it may be at this point too late to do it any other way maybe too late to do it by mail, it's got to feel a lot of imagine that giving that kind of ice has to have a lot of cross current feelings for you. What well, I think the most important pieces reminding people that the end goal is to be heard, and while voting by mail was the safest most accessible option what we have to remember. As once you have that ballot, the mission is to get it in and mail would be best if people could just go to their very safe mailboxes and drop it off. But in lieu thereof, we live in twenty twenty in lieu thereof getting it. In the hands of those who will count it is what matters most to going into a dropbox going to your county elections office, bring it with you if you haven't filled it out and getting it cancelled if you need to vote in person but making certain that are focused much like those women and men in those lines that you talked about, it's about being seen in being heard and not letting anyone distract you from that mission. Stacey are you seeing differences in Georgia specifically and terms of WHO's been able to get their ballot back? Obviously, a lot of people are going to vote on election day, but there's people who have requested ballots from the state and have them in haven't brought them back yet. Are you seeing demographic distance differences are aged? In terms of whose ballots are still out there outstanding that need to be brought in now We know that there about seven hundred and fifty thousand outstanding ballots. We know that because for example, the county of Gwinnett needed larger ballots because of language requirements that there was a bit of a delay. But overall, what we've seen has been very promising. We've seen young people returning ballots at rates we've never seen before we've seen black voters for turning those ballots at rates we have not expected and right now we are doing exceptionally well in mail in balloting, but we. Know that seven hundred and fifty thousand votes is huge number, and so we're hoping that people will hear us and understand that at this point do not put it in the mail Georgia isn't that failings of states that requires that your ballot received by seven pm on November third and that means take it to a dropbox. All thirty one counties have them in the thirty counties without drop boxes you can take it to the elections office but make certain you get it in. One of the other dynamics that to me has some emotional half right now for this year's election, is that unlike previous years where most of the vote has come in on election day this year, it does seem like most of the vote is going to be cast ahead of election, day, votes, voters of all kinds and in all places. In collect collectively, we'll. We'll vote more and advance election day than on the day of and one of the things that does is it creates. A lot of energy out there and a lot of potential resources out there of people who have already done their personal part people ahead of election day, they have already got their ballots cast in their sure. It's going to be counted and they still want to help. They still want to do more. They still are anxious about the election outcomes and they want to contribute what are you telling people who feel that way right now that have have more that they want to do then just casting their own ballot because they've already got it in. Number one reach out to everyone. You know who has a ballot or hasn't decided to vote and make certain that they know to go to I will vote dot com to find out how they can vote in the next seven days or six days number two fill to fair fight twenty, twenty, dot com and sign up to be a volunteer. We're going to need people not only to service poll observers throughout this process and on election day, but we're going to have. To chase a lot of these ballots, folks who do everything they're supposed to but make one mistake and a number of our states they have the ability to fix those mistakes. It's called hearing your ballot, and so we need people to sign up to be part of chasing those ballots and making sure that every vote that gets caskets counted and the last thing is make sure you have conversations I know everyone's talking about the election but beats having conversations about how to vote. Answering questions and getting past the haranguing or the lecturing to the invitation. Look. If you have challenges that you want to see fixed and Rachel you said this perfectly, we've gotta go all the way down the ballot, the closer we all to the ballot, the bottom of the ballot, the closer we are home as we need to be having conversations not just about the changes we needed the national level of the changes we need it home in every voice has to be a part of that that that change. Stacey Abrams the founder, a fair fight and fair count- Stacey. Thank you so much for being with us. I know there's going to be very little sleep for you over the next over the next week. We'll be back in touch with you over these next few days. Thank you so much. Looking forward to it take care. All, right we got a lot more news to get to tonight and night that is both a week before the election and smack DAB in the middle of what appears to be the newest and largest yet covert wave that is sweeping across the country. There is a scientific development on the inside that is clear as a bell and very applicable to all of our lives that you should know about we're GonNa talk with the scientist who developed that and explained it coming up next stay with us. Here's the front page of the Greenville News. Out of Greenville South Carolina today see the headline there virus downright scary for Clemson residents. And you see the sub head there two cases residents want to draw an invisible line between themselves and students as cases tick up in the college town Clemson and South Carolina. That article about how fearful those residents are catching corona virus that sits on the front page right alongside this other story quote pence visit to Graham Vice President pence coming to Greenville despite Cova positive staffers. Just, days after a whole bunch, five of his closest staff members and advisers tested positive for COVID vice president pence is refusing to quarantine himself despite admitting he was in close contact with those coverted patients. The vice president has nevertheless decided. He will make a campaign stop in Greenville South Carolina Today foisting himself and his potential infection upon a community that is already freaking out about it. All to try to boost senator. Lindsey. Graham's campaign against Democrat James Harrison. And maybe hopefully, not starting a new local outbreak while he's doing. So thanks from the community. Speaking of holding rallies in a pandemic, here's the Chippewa Herald from Chippewa Falls. Wisconsin today quote doctors again asked to cancel rallies. Plea comes after deadliest week in case surge. Wisconsin recorded sixty four coronavirus deaths today. It's worst day so far. Doctors pleading with presidential campaign to cancel their rallies. Over in Omaha Nebraska the Omaha World Herald reports quote. Nebraska is still near the top of the pandemic third wave state and Douglas County case records for fourth straight week as West and Upper Midwest feel brunt and Helena Montana. This is the front page of the independent record. Virus levels rise in wastewater twenty fold increase in seen. East Helena Helena levels double. That sort of a wastewater testing statistics is useless because it usually tells you how much more prevalent the virus is in your community. Then you could tell from the case county I can tell you win. You're about to see your numbers go up in terms of cases even before individual testing reveals exactly who's got it. This is the front page of the Dallas Morning News today basically a call for help El Paso County in crisis stage with hospitals. Full officials urge residents to stay home for fourteen days. Right, next to that hospitals wash wait and worry. Numbers begins scary relentless March up leaving almost no region of USC from search Saint Louis Post dispatch, and expanding pandemic. There is no safe place. At Aberdeen South. Dakota the American news in Aberdeen South Dakota. Published this article above the fold. In one thousand, nine active cases and hospitalizations hit record highs. The. Same Story Different State in the Register Herald in Beckley West Virginia their front page today record hospitalizations. Cova. Cases Spike across the country and in. West Virginia. Front page of The Washington, post today right there next to bear it. Confirm two Supreme Court is the stark morning hospitals nationwide see flood of patients covert surge sparks, fresh fears that facilities will have to ration care. Tonight, the Post counts forty one states plus Puerto Rico that have more hospitalized covert patients now than they did at the end of last month. According to their data set in just the past week, we've had record high hospitalizations in Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho Indiana Iowa Kentucky Minnesota Nebraska New Mexico North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma South Dakota. UTAH. West. Virginia. Wisconsin Wyoming. We leave anyplace out. President says because of testing testing pushing the hospital. No matter what metric you're using none of it is good. But as I mentioned a moment ago, there is one bright spot in the news today some clarity some clear provable clarity that frankly ought to create its own political environment. On what we can do probably to get out of this mess ever have one of those days where you realize you're running on three cups of coffee and Zero Water Yup me too and while I'm working on fixing that habit I swear by liquid IV to keep me properly hydrated without having to panic chug bottles of water. One serving of liquid IV provides the same hydration as drinking two to three bottles of water. 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Governor Laura. Kelly the great state of Kansas speaking this summer announcing a statewide mask mandate in Kansas just as cases be and early take off in her state one problem though in Kansas the month before the Republican controlled legislature in the state of Kansas had held an all night marathon session specifically to neuter the Democratic Governors powers to strip her of the emergency powers that she was using to try to fight covert and her state. So Governor Kelley could issue whatever mandate she wanted but thanks to Republicans in the legislature stripping her powers. Her public health orders didn't mean anything statewide any and every Kansas County had the option to opt out of her orders if they wanted to and boy did they, there's one hundred and five counties in Kansas after Governor Kelley issued her mask mandate more than eighty of the hundred and five counties in the state opted out of it. A couple of dozen counties in blue there. Those are the only ones that didn't opt out in the end. It was actually only twenty counties that enforced the mandate that has been the situation in Kansas since July twenty counties with a mask mandate and the rest of the state without. And among all the things that that meant and all the other things that means. It's an environment that scientists call a natural experiment. Here's a chart of average daily corona virus cases over time in. Kansas this was just released by Professor Don against her ginther and her colleagues at colleagues at the Institute for Policy and Social Research at the University of Kansas. Now look at this closely for a second what they've done here, you see the two vertical lines they've marked the date that the governor issued the mask mandate that was July third, and then they've marked two weeks later, July seventeenth. That's the point at which would affect to start seeing the effects of a policy change like a mask mandate. So that's basically when the mandate goes into effect the Blue Line here that's Cova cases in the counties that actually did implement the mask mandate. That's those twenty counties and you can see that two weeks after the mandate goes into effect cases start dropping. They come back up a little bit overtime and they go back down overall the basically stays flat in the twenty counties with a mask mandate. Now look at the red line. The Red Line they started off much lower when the mask mandate went into effect but those are the counties that opt out of it. See. The difference two weeks after the mandate was issued, the cases started climbing in those counties and then in mid to late August the case numbers just took off and never looked back. Look at how the fate of those two sets of counties has diverged mask mandate counties in blue those stay basically flat no mask mandate counties those are read they take off inexorably. Through mid October the new case rate in the no mandate counties in the red counties was double the rate. Of New cases in the counties with the mask. Double. and. Other words. This is as simple science gets masks work. You can see it in this natural experiment in Kansas mask mandates work I mean scientists rarely that clear right? That is a blessing to us that we have such clarity on what we can do to keep our case numbers at least flat if not coming down. It also shows the as blessed as we are by the science. We are cursed in terms of our political leadership with the president who in the face even evidence like that still wants to be like I've heard mixed messages about masks I don't know maybe they give you ovid. No actually, this is one thing we're actually it is super super super, super clear. Leadership, that doesn't get it is the other. Side of this and that is another issue, but the science could not be clearer. How do we make the most of that? Joining us now is one of the people who conducted this new study. Donna Ginther is professor of Economics and Director of the Institute for Policy and Social Research at the University of Kansas Professor Gunther it's an honor to have you with us tonight. Thank you so much hurts sharing some time with us. Thank you for having Me Rachel? If you want another job should start teaching economics. I. I did very poorly economics in college. I didn't want I wouldn't go there. But actually let me ask you if when I was summarizing your findings. Is there anything that I got wrong or that I put the wrong emphasis on or something I should have pointed out that I missed. Have done it better myself. You you've got the whole point. Were flat in counties that had a mandate and they exceeded the rate of growth exceeded in Kansas that. We're used to mandate were you surprised to arrive at such clear cut findings I mean I am not a scientist but looking at this sort of the result does sort of leap off the page I imagine that you and your colleagues some expectations as to what you find did you expect it to be this blunt? We look at it really early on and you really didn't see any effect and about six weeks later we did the analysis so that you know we could go or so. and. As you said, it just left off the page. We didn't have to do any. You know reciprocated statistical model at all we just random regressions and give those estimates that case rates from. The you're at the University of Kansas, you're the director of the Institute for Policy and Social Research. This is Kansas Specific Study of Kansas natural experiment that was created by sort of peculiarity of the Kansas policymaking process in the time of this pandemic I have to ask if your. Research and your findings here are proving influential in Kansas. If this has led to any sort of discussion about reconsidering whether there ought to be a state wide mandate or whether some of those can't counties that opted out might want to change their minds. The governor and a legislative leaders today and they decided to. Be More proactive about encouraging local governments to masks they stopped short of a mandate, but they are speaking with one voice about the importance of masks in the state. So I remain hopeful that we can move in the right direction. One of the variables that I was interested in in your study is that while there were twenty states that you described as. Plainly implementing the mask mandate in those ended up being the states represented by the Blue Line on that graph. A small number of there were a small number of states that that that decided to go along with the mandate, but you consider them effectively to to not have effectively implemented it. Can you describe that a little bit? Those inbetween. Inbetween counties. There's three days for takes counties. They're the ones where the city said a mandate, but the county didn't. So those are kind of mixed or Carl compliance. There are counties that took the mass mandate very late in the game, and so you know they have had enough time to have the mandate take effect. And and then there were the counties that different force if they didn't enforce than. The mass mandate wasn't effective the partial if we put the partial compliance counties in the case, rates don't fall by fifty percent a fall by about thirty percent share. What we did with the fifty percent numbers is what he will compare are always mask wearing to never wes mask wearing as opposed to the partial COMP- Liars. So even with partial compliance, she still see a very large effect. That is that's important because I think sometimes people think that if they can't do it perfectly, they shouldn't try. We've seen arguments from some governors and other states. For example, if that I don't think people will I don't think everybody will go along with it. Even if I do put in place a mandate but even with partial compliance, you see benefit is just incredibly incredibly valuable research. Professor. Ginther. Thank you and your colleagues at the University of Kansas for doing it and thanks for helping US understand it here tonight long wave I hope people really understand what this means take it to heart. Thank you for having. All right we'll be right back stay with us. The election ends one week from tonight. Are you pacing yourself by which I mean? Are You doing everything? You could conceivably do to wake up a week from tomorrow knowing that you did everything you could possibly do. All right that's going to do it for me. On TV tonight I will see you again tomorrow at the. Show we had nine minutes during on MSNBC. Hey Guys Willie geist here this week on the Sunday sit down podcast I get together with drew. 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If you don't test, it's amazing how few coronavirus cases you have!

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If you don't test, it's amazing how few coronavirus cases you have!

"The show we did nine eastern on. Msnbc happy to have you with us here tonight. I'm going to start tonight with a little piece of video that I'm just GonNa say you might not want your Kiddos to watch Just in the event that your kids are watching with you It's nothing gory. Or sexy or anything And we have bleeped the swears but there are many swears to be bleeped. And so you might just want to watch this yourself before the kids. See it better safe than sorry. You can always rewind me and restart if you decide. It's okay for them to see. I just wanted to give you fair warning. What this is is video we actually. I got our hands on a couple of weeks ago and it is out of Kansas specifically out of a Kansas State Prison Lansing State Correctional Facility. Which is just outside. Kansas City. Kansas and at the time that we first got this we thought this might be a document that was important to a larger national news story. It might be a bigger national news story than it seemed specifically because of some of the things that prisoners can be heard saying on this video But at time we first obtained this tape. We didn't have any way to know for sure. We were intrigued by what we were hearing. But we didn't have factual backup will. Now we know for sure And now I think I think you should see this. I will mention once again Yeah we gotta get out here so we will show you all you want to give this weekend. It's a little hurly-burly but that was a couple of weeks ago a video shot by prisoner inside Lansing State Prison in Kansas And obviously what's going on? There is the kind of thing that you'd call an uprising or a riot or an incident of unrest depending on your perspective or maybe depending on your politics but the prisoners there did really tear the place up in one of the cell blocks out that prison it is a medium security prison. As of that morning the day they started tearing the place up more than fourteen members of the prison staff at Lancing had tested positive and had been sent home from work. Twelve prisoners who had tested positive had been moved into a medical isolation unit. Now we knew that from the prison on the day that the riot happens but then this facebook live. Contraband Cell Phone Video. Got Out showing the riot showing the prisoner saying you weren't giving US help with this corona virus. You aren't giving US healthcare. You WANNA give us no healthcare. Well this is what we do just a couple of days after. They got the prison back under control. There was this notice from the Kansas National Guard announcing that Kansas National Guard medical staff were being brought in to help at that prison quote trained Medical Kansas National Guard professionals are assisting staff at Lansing Correctional Facility by Supplementing Medical Support Secretary of the State Department of Correction saying quote. We recognized the need for additional medical support at the facility. That's what happened with riot. And then two days later the National Guard being brought in to restore order. They restored order the night of the night. That thing happened. The National Guard being brought in to surge medical capacity there will now we have started to get the full first full picture of what has really happened. There and the the riot turns out to be just a crack in the window into this story on Monday of This Week Lansing Correctional Facility reported out the first prisoner has died from Krona virus at that facility Yesterday Wednesday. The prison reported that a second prisoner had died from Corona virus at that facility that facility at the local NBC affiliate just. Today ran this feature on a fifteen year veteran a sergeant at the facility who just quit and walked out over the lack of protective gear for the people who work at that facility. He told the local NBC station that the spread of Corona virus inside the facility is completely unchecked with prisoners. Living five to a cell in four men cells and even the guards are only wearing homemade cotton masks. There are now seventy five staff who have reportedly tested positive at that prison. Prompting this headline from the Kansas City Star today a dangerous situation Lansing prison under STREIT's was under stress with seventy five staff testing positive. And you know when you when you have all all those signs that many signs all pointing in the same direction really. You know what you're going to find if you ultimately have the courage to look at what is happening there. If you ultimately have the courage and the resources to check well they have now started to test all the prisoners at that prison at the Lansing State Correctional Institution in Kansas quote. Early test. Results showed that seventy five percent of lansing. Inmates have the virus. They've started the process of universal testing in the prison and the initial results from the first sample their show. Seventy five percent of them are positive so when those prisoners in Kansas were writing a couple of weeks ago tearing the place apart saying we need help with this corona virus. We need healthcare for this virus. They were in fact living in the unit were almost all of them would get infected with this disease within just a couple of weeks and two of them thus far are dead and seventy five staff for positive you know we. We are far enough into this thing. Now that we know worried is likely to be in large numbers and we know for sure where it spreads the fastest. If we don't take steps to stop it we know that now that said it's still hard to get tests in this country even this far into it even with nearly sixty three thousand Americans dead from this already. It is still hard to get testing here but we do not now for watching the contours of this epidemic. From watching the numbers watching those red dots and the epidemic logical maps sprout all over the country and then zooming in and figuring out where those are. We know now where we ought to be testing if we only had tests and it turns out when we are able to test those places. Lo and behold you find the virus in magnificent numbers so seventy five percent of prisoners at that prison where they rioted two weeks ago saying we need help with corona virus. Seventy five percent of those prisoners are positive and we know that because they finally tested there so far. The federal prison system has done full-scale testing in one prison at Terminal Island California. They ran one thousand fifty five tests on all the prisoners at Terminal Island four hundred forty three of them tested positive. They've now started a medical bill doubt at that facility to try to handle the huge numbers of cases there and the medical care they're ultimately going to have to provide and of course it's not just prisons. We know where the biggest concentrations are of infections. We know where the most rapid and exhaustive spread of infection tends to happen and our country. This examples headline today in the Cleveland. Plain dealer what happens when an entire nursing home is tested for corona virus. More than half of the patients test positive at one Thomas Ohio facility. This is an Ohio nursing home where they believed they had one positive case that one hundred four residents and spars that knew that had one resident who had tested positive but then they got access to tests so they tested everyone and of the one hundred and four prisoners. Excuse me the one hundred and four residents that they had fifty nine hundred and four positive. They thought they had one case. They have fifty nine cases. We have terrible and spotty and inconsistent access to testing in this country. But there's no mystery where we should be testing to try to identify the most cases and to try to stop the most spread it a lot of these facilities at least just the sheer death-toll tells you where to look. We have thus far just with a new search of statements by state health directors. We have thus far been able to identify at least ten states in the United States of America where the statewide death poll from. Corona virus is mostly made up of nursing home residents. That's where most of the death is. That's where most there are the most Americans at risk of getting this thing and dying from it in Pennsylvania. It's sixty five percent of the deaths in that state are a nursing home in long term care facilities in Pennsylvania one facility in beaver county has had fifty eight. Americans die within its walls. We learned today that a veterans home in Chester. Pennsylvania has had twenty seven American veterans. Die Their in. The Great State of Maryland State now admits that more than fifty percent of their deaths are in nursing homes as well Maryland. Interestingly also announced today that they will now mandate universal testing for all nursing home residents and staff you might remember. Maryland just bought five hundred thousand corona virus tests from South Korea The governor of Maryland. His wife is an immigrant from Korea. She speaks fluent Korean. Got Her on the phone with business. Connections the family hopefully had or could make in they arranged for five hundred thousand test to be flown over on a Korean airlines plan. governor Larry Hogan told The Washington Post today that he made the plane carrying those supplies from Korea. Land at Baltimore Washington International Airport at Bwi even though it Korean Airlines plane had never before landed at Bwi. He also said he made sure there were tons of state. Troopers and national guardsmen on the tarmac when that plane landed all because he wanted Maryland to not have those materials stolen by the federal government. When that shipment of tests came in now the governor says those those tests are still under lock and key still being guarded by state troopers and national guardsmen. There still under lock key because those tests still haven't been widely deployed in Maryland in part because just like everywhere they need swabs and reagents and all the other lab materials to process those tests just like everybody else in the country still does but we have a shortage of those and so even when you got the test. You still can't do tests still. Though the governor of Maryland has now ordered mandated that everybody in a nursing home in Maryland. Symptomatic or not staff or resident. Everybody must be tested. Now state mandate is a serious thing water nursing home supposed to do. In order to fulfill that mandate we have reached out to the governor's office to ask if they will provide all the necessary tests to the nursing homes so they can fulfill that mandate or if the facilities are. GonNa have to scramble to find the test themselves will let you know more when we hear more but if Maryland is able to fulfill that mandate if Maryland is able to make good if they're able to actually test every resident in every staff staff person in every nursing home a long term care facility in the state. Brace yourself for the numbers that will emerge we know what kind of numbers are going to emerge. We can imagine them. Just follow the trail of dead the largest nursing home the state of Maryland already had thirty five. Americans die there. How many positive cases do you think there are at that facility? Thirty five of their residents have already died. Maryland has not been regularly posting the number of cases in their nursing homes by facility. They've not been regularly posting the number of deaths by facility. But they're going to get those numbers now. They're going to universal test. They know that most of the deaths in that state are in nursing homes if they start to get universal data from those facilities. Brace yourself for the number of positive tests and for what that's going to indicate about how much resources how many resources those facilities need for ultimately what the death toll is going to be coming out of their testing in the places where people are most likely to get infected as scary as it is given the kinds of numbers that we see when those most impacted facilities start to get tested as scary as it is testing and those facilities where people are most likely to get infected. Is How you deal with this as a public matter. That's how you start to protect people who live in those facilities. Who are the most vulnerable to getting this thing and the most vulnerable to dying from it? That's how you target care. Resources and ultimately protective gear to those places have to know where it is. And who's got it and you've got to protect people in those facilities. Who Don't yet have that. Who are at grave grave grave risk of getting it. This also incidentally is how you learn what you need to know to protect the community. The local community near those facilities from what will be a non contained community based outbreak. There soon none of these facilities is an island. No prison no jail no nursing home. No meat packing plant. No frigging cruise ship once it stocked. If you've got an outbreak of this virus it isn't outbreak that will leak beyond the boundaries. We are comfortable thinking of it residing within when we talk about it most hitting nursing homes prisons plants these other kinds of facilities. We like to think of those outbreaks as being contained in those spaces. But this is a highly contagious communicable. Disease Right just because it starts spreading somewhere kind of off the beaten path to replace. You don't usually think about like a big industrial plant or a nursing. Home are places where place where a lot of immigrants work and you don't know them in your community because they keep to themselves. I mean just because these facilities in these types of places prisons and jails and all these places maybe limited to us. They may not be our constant view. Unless we've got family members their work there just because these are limited facilities that are not visible to us does not mean that these outbreaks are going to stay in those places. That's not how it works with highly contagious. Communicable Diseases Take for example. Cass County Indiana earlier. This week you might remember. We mention them on the show because CASS county. Indiana got our attention. Local commissioners there proclaimed a serious public health emergency specifically for that county and this is not like the emergency or disaster that everybody declared at the start of the things they could qualify for funds so they declared a new public health. Emergency in that county and the declaration had teeth. It established serious new restrictions on what people can do in that county. In terms of social distancing far stricter than what people are restricted from doing and the statewide order. Indiana will why did CASS county? Indiana do that. Well they do have Tyson. Meat Plant in Cass County. Indiana in Logan Sport Indiana and they knew they had some cases. They're just like a lot of meat. Processing plants do but the county county officials. There were smart and thinking ahead because sure enough. It is just a couple of days later now and today the county has announced the results of what they insisted must be the universal testing of workers at that facility and it turns out when you universally test all the workers out of meat plant. That's got a bunch of known cases. Katie bar the door when it comes to actually getting the total number when it comes to getting the universal testing result turns out at that one plant. There are eight hundred ninety positive cases at one. Plant the local hospital. I should mention in Logan Spurt. Indiana has a total of eighty three beds. Nine beds set aside for Kovic patients. They're all already full. They have eight ventilators. They're in the hospital. And Logan's part Indiana eight hundred and nine hundred positive cases just among employees at the plant in town let alone any other cases that now exist in the county tied to each of those eight hundred nine hundred employees last night we talked with the Sheriff of Black Hawk County Iowa. He was here to talk about the Tyson plant in his town. Waterloo Iowa to which the county can allow now link more than ninety percent of the thirteen hundred plus corona virus cases. They've got in Black Hawk County. Sheriff last night mentioned that that sizeable outbreak in Black Hawk County is no longer something that resides within the plant now encompasses the whole community and specifically a number of nursing homes in that community and indeed there are now known outbreaks in multiple nursing homes in Black Hawk. County Iowa over in Columbus Junction Iowa. That was actually one of the first meat plants that they shut down after a big outbreak. There that plant in Columbus junction is now reopened but the outbreak in the community. There is such that the governor has just called in the Iowa National Guard to start doing testing and that counties nursing homes. Because they've got such a problem in their nursing homes now to how things from the plant into the nursing homes while they get from the meat plant into the community and then they get from the community into the nursing homes and then all the people in the nursing home are very susceptible to getting a lot of them are susceptible to die in Grand Island Nebraska the large outbreak there tied to the meat processing plant in Grand Island. The local health director there just announced ten deaths in Grand Island nursing homes in the past three days. She tells the local paper today quote. It is very very sad. I knew this was going to happen. We knew this was going to happen. Excuse me and start crying if I think too much about it. It's just hard. The death toll spiking around Grand Island Nebraska. Because these things may start in your meat packing plant or your prison or your nursing home. That's where you're outbreak might incubate might spread unchecked through everyone enough facility. The people who live there people who work there both but by nature. It's not going to stay there. I mean in Grand Island Nebraska. The outbreak didn't stay in the plant. The mayor of Grand Island tonight going public with his desperation saying his city has paid a price. I think Greenwich Island said during this ordeal has paid a price. He's asking please for the federal government to come help Grand Island Nebraska rather than the federal government just ordering the reopening of all the meat plants. He's asking specifically for the Agriculture Secretary to please come to Grand Island Nebraska to see the impact of that huge outbreak. There that started in the meat plant on that small community. Oh and by the way. Please bring some help. The problems faced with government orders that have failed to protect the people of Grand Island. I want him to come to grand island so I can explain to him and and we don't know if the Secretary Sonny Perdue will come and pay his respects to grand island but Grand Island. Rosca needs help and they are asking for it. I should tell you that. Nebraska at the state level is not tracking nursing home deaths. They are not tracking cases in meat processing plants. They are also not widely in prisons in Nebraska so even today as yet another corrections officer tested positive in the community. It is a black box as to what's going on inside the prisons themselves. This was a I think. A frame Abol cross-stitch quote today from the Omaha World Herald quote. No inmates have tested positive for covert nineteen but the state corrections agency said. Recently that no inmates had been tested. Yeah if you don't test it's amazing. How few cases you have. Isn't it crazy how that works seek and you shall find but if you don't seek how long can you pretend that there's nothing to find me for the record in Nebraska? They had their first known CORONA VIRUS CASE WAY BACK on March sixth it took them from March six almost six weeks until mid April before they hit their first one thousand cases in the state but then to get from one thousand two thousand cases that only took them a week and to get from two thousand to three thousand cases. That only took them three days. Now they're scratching at four thousand cases as we speak with no tracking of nursing home cases no tracking of meat plant cases no testing of prisoners. Good Luck Nebraska. I hope you're governor has hidden depths because what is happening on the surface here is nerve curling. I mean they've got outbreaks at meat plants in Grand Island Nebraska Lexington Nebraska Dakota City Nebraska Madison Nebraska Hastings Nebraska Crete Nebraska. That's the plant where pay people walked out in fear. This week the plant had said they were closing after finding dozens of positive cases then they said they changed their mind in their staying open. Everybody walked out in fear governor. Pete Ricketts says that he wants all. The plants open said yesterday at a press conference that he doesn't actually think these meat processing plants are a problem at all he was asked why. So many meat-processing workers testing positive. He said quote they're more likely to pick up an infection outside of the workplace where these people spend two thirds of their time. Meat-processing workers all have ended up positive by the by the hundreds essentially by thousands in Nebraska. Because they all do the same stuff outside of work that exposes them also. I've got wet hair when I get out of a swimming pool but that might just be because I took a shower this morning before I went swimming. Maybe that's the harassment. I mean yeah all the meat workers. They're definitely turning up positive in the numbers that they are because of stuff they're doing at home. It's amazing it must be really different people than all the other people and all the other different kinds of workplaces who don't have those kind of numbers. It's definitely their fault. I will say for the first time today. For the first time a Nebraska Meat Plant has announced that it is closing. Its doors for what they call a deep cleaning. This is the Tyson plant in Tacoma City Nebraska. Nobody knows how many cases there are at that Dakota City plant in Nebraska because as I mentioned in Nebraska doesn't track it. The governor doesn't think that plants are problem in terms of the spread across the virus and Tyson for this planet lease refuses to say how many people are positive there but for some reason they've decided to close that plant for a deep cleaning. I should also mention that. Perhaps it's a complete coincidence but Dakota County Nebraska where this plant is located happens to have the second highest number of known corona virus virus cases in the entire state after Grand Island. Even though the population of Dakota County is only about twenty thousand people. But we don't know if there's any cases there and are we sure we WANNA look so they're going to close for a deep cleaning deep. Cleaning is an actually a thing. That's just a word that people use when they tell you they're sending in cleaners. There's nothing different about a deep cleaning compared to a regular cleaning no matter what somebody wants to send you certainly enviro logical terms a deep cleaning versus a cleaning come on and ultimately cleanliness is not the real problem here. It's the conditions the working conditions in these giant aggregate production environments. Where so far? The companies have shown no ability to prevent the spreading of viruses super efficiently among all of their workers who tend to work in groups of several hundred or even thousands at a time. The federal government has played a strange role in this part of the crisis. So far right. These kinds of plants have been huge accelerates for the epidemic in America overall and specifically in parts of the country that the Republican Party in this president pretend to care about more than any other parts of the country and and where they've supposedly got governors on a very short leash right but the plants are so far not required by the federal government to do anything to protect these workers. They're required to make a good faith effort to comply with guidance but the guidance is nonmandatory. The trump administration absolutely has the option of making those guidelines requirements in terms of how these places operate but they are absolutely not doing that all they want. Is these plants open? There's no pushing in terms of what the plants need to do. In terms of the way they operate to stop keeping thousands of people from getting infected. There I'll tell you we are on the trail right now of a story about what's happened at the CDC specifically that has actually led to that skinless part of the federal government response to this epidemic. We're going to have a special report on that here tomorrow night but next here on this show. We are going to talk to a worker. Who's got firsthand experience of what exactly is going on. That's next stay with us. Ready to freshen up your hair-color Madison Reed has your back. They'll deliver a kit with everything you need including step by step instructions directly to your door. Each kid starts at just twenty two dollars and you can determine your perfect shade with Madison reads Color Quiz and online. Try on tool. How would you look as a blonde a Brunette? Maybe a redhead. 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Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening? Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. This is from the New York Times. Op Ed quote in the past month. Two of my co workers died from Kovic. Nineteen the company instituted protective measures. But it was too late of the company in this instance is J. B. S. giant meat-packing conglomerate And this it's a specifically about plant in southern Pennsylvania which is north of Philly Preston works at the plant continues quote. Our plant temporarily closed on April second before the deaths at that time. Nineteen people had tested positive. Jabes remodeled the floor in line with Corona virus safety measures quote in meat packing plants. Workers are basically piled up on top of one another often touching because there are so many of us quote the two people we lost to the corona virus most likely exposed to the virus at work before the factory shut down. They will not be forgotten. Should note that Saudis in Pennsylvania plant had nineteen cases When it closed on April second asset tonight the Union says they've got one hundred and nineteen cases adopt plant The company tonight tells us that many of the workers who tested positive have returned to work after quarantine the plant reopened April twentieth minus the fifteen percent of its workforce that is over the age of sixty. The company says that those workers over sixty are home now with full pay and benefits as for the others who are back at work. Gps tells us this quote. Team members have responded positively to the safety interventions put in place during closure and the facility is now running beyond expectations. That is how the company views the situation with that one plant. We have with US tonight. A colleague of the person who wrote that New York Times op ED So we can ask ourselves what it's like to work. In one of those big plants now Having been reopened joining us now is Safa elsewhere. She works at the plant in Southington Pennsylvania. She's the shop steward for their union. Ufc W. local seventeen seventy six Missiles as we know this is difficult time. Thank you for taking time to be here tonight. Daycare let me just ask you bottom line. Do you feel safe now. Working at the plant going in every day all right now yes before know how big the changes been. They closed down on April second. They reopened a couple of weeks later. Having made significant changes to the way. You and your colleagues work with each other. Can you describe to us how much that's changed the way you work? So on a Nancy. Provide like facemask for each employer. They take the temperature when they start working early in the morning. Even if some a worker go outside the break time or doing something outside the blame the victim richer a game. Also they provide the face shield. David Ride the hand. Sanitizer everywhere Floors through a social distance between each in blurbs. They had like supervisor. Super active than on the whole way are injured during the break time they celebrate the people during the break time Ed also the beginning time they divide them to two group in be so one should one of them start fifty minutes early than the others also going home. It's like fifteen minute Between each grew in terms of testing obviously when they shut down the plant that was about nineteen people who work there who were positive now. The union says it's like one hundred nineteen people are positive if you want to get tested for Corona virus if you or your colleagues want to get tested. Do you have easy access to get testing? Be under the rug. We look right now because we still have an issue that we had worker in a floor work behind each other's. Yes they wear masks. They wear Mostly shall distance between each other so they were shoulder by shoulder floor so also we had employees are they say that they get the virus but they never head symptoms. That's our worry that we had. The employer may be carried. The virus came to war because they had not in pitcher dead no cough or any symptoms of the virus and may be spread the virus and Non Blaine. That's why we ask for like this thing that employers worker during the daytime during the week or stuff like that make us more safe is basically we had some worry from Tuesday about trump orders that there is no mandatory. Cdc or or Shah. This make us worry so we back to work because they told all the will we will be safe and we feel that that she does worry about the production he though like off like a human should be should be should be healthy and make us just a little bit worry and you would feel less worried if the Osha guidelines if the CDC guidelines were mandatory you would feel safer yes. Sophos we an employee at the plant in Saudi ten Pennsylvania. I really appreciate you coming on to talk to US tonight. God bless you and all of your co workers We're counting on you in lots of ways. But we don't want you to be at risk when you go to work. Thanks for helping US understand. Think you're all right more ahead tonight. Stay with us. Here's the front page of the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Today you can see the big top stories. Four column headline across the Front of the top of the front page there. Kemp set two to lift restrictions at the top story and Georgia today. The State's Republican governor. Brian Kemp is allowing Georgia's stay at home order to expire tonight after already opening up very very very essential businesses like bowling alleys. Tattoo Parlors Salons gyms movie theaters and dine in restaurants over the past week The governor now says that all restrictions of all kinds will be gone in two weeks but then look right below the big top headline the other big story in the front page of the AJC today Georgia poultry workers test positive for Coke Nineteen. Check out the lead on this story. Nearly four hundred workers in Georgia's prized poultry industry have tested positive for the disease caused by the corona virus quote ominous signs popping up in hall. County Georgia where much of the state's poultry industry is based hall has the highest rate of covert nineteen cases per one hundred thousand residents in the region as of Wednesday afternoon. Twelve hundred and thirty three people and hall had been sickened. Twenty had been killed by the disease if you want one at least partial snapshot of Georgia today there. You have it right next to each other on the front page of its biggest newspaper. Corona virus outbreaks spreading rapidly through states poultry. Plants and governor says. Open everything backup everything. No restrictions Georgia's governor has made these kinds of demands even as his state rose to twelfth in the country in the number of cases and deaths even as one of the nation's worst outbreaks hit in his State in Albany Georgia and even as the city of Gainesville in hall county where all those poultry plants are became the center of one of the nation's newest emerging large outbreaks the northeast Georgia Medical Center. Their projects. It will not hit the peak of its corona virus. Hospital admissions until the middle of June. But they expect to Max out their staffing capacity at the hospital. Well before then like within a matter of three weeks it's hard to square. What's happening in Georgia right now? Between the characteristics of the large epidemic. In Georgia right. Now it's hard to square that with with Governor Brian. Kemp's insistence that. Everything is fine and faster than anywhere in the country. Georgia needs to open everything backup. It's hard it's hard to square those things. Sometimes but then. Sometimes it's not that hard to square. This is the other big news in the Georgia Epidemic. Today a new. Cdc study that finds that more than eighty percent of hospitalized. Corona virus patients in Georgia are African. American African Americans comprise only about thirty percent of the population in Georgia. But they're eighty percent of. Who's been hospitalized for Corona virus in the State and certainly the study tracks? Broadly with the data. We've seen across the country that corona virus is hitting black-americans disproportionately but over eighty percent of the hospitalizations and Georgia governor come telling the Atlanta Journal Constitution today. Quote if you weren't in the medically fragile category or someone in a long term care facility from most of the rest of Georgia. The effect of Corona virus has been minimal for most of the rest of Georgia for most eighty percent of the people in hospitals or black people for most of Georgia. That's been minimal minimal impact. We haven't barely noticed fine. As far as we're concerned today in Atlanta Georgia's fantastic majority black capital city residents held a mock funeral procession complete with several hearses driving around and around passed the Georgia. State Capitol building organizers told a local NBC affiliate that quote. Death is the foreseeable result of governor. Kemp's misguided plans to fully reopen the state of Georgia. The mayor of the great city of Atlanta is going to join us. Live here next. Stay with us. The mayor of the Great City of Atlanta Georgia just published this piece in the Atlantic magazine. Today it's titled Atlanta isn't ready to reopen and neither is Georgia quotas the mayor of Atlanta. I'm unable to endorse the governor's decision to reopen businesses before health experts. Say It's safe to do so. The mayor makes a point about something in particular that worries her. She says quote we should recognize that many of the kinds of businesses that are reopening are especially popular in African American neighborhoods. Were BARBER SHOPS AND HAIR. Salons are ubiquitous. This concerns me because we continue to see much higher rates of infection and death occurring among African Americans than in other communities. This of course comes as a CD. Study finds that over eighty percent of corona virus hospitalizations in Georgia thus far have been African American patients. Joining us now is the mayor of Atlanta. Kisha Lance Bottoms. Madame mayor been really looking forward to talking to you tonight. Thank you so much for making time. Thank you it's great to join. You let me just ask you if anything that I have said in the last couple minutes about About ATLANTA ABOUT GEORGIA. And about what's going on in your state right now if it strikes you wrong or if you think that. I've sort of got. The telescope turned around the wrong way at any of this. Does this seem like a reasonable description of what's going on in your state and city you're spot on and the reality is history. Chill in Georgia. We beat the national average in every single category. That makes this virus so much. Worse are a great till heart disease. Obesity Diabetes Asthma all above the national average. And then you layer on top of that. The African American community is even above that and so the fact that we are opening businesses in this state and that we are putting the economy before the lives of of people it is it's baffling and and I keep searching for new birds. And I can't find any because I I am still completely dumbfounded that we were one of the last states to close down and yet one of the first states to open up and the governor has said this is about the economy and unfortunately the people who will be the test case for whether or not we have gotten it right by the people who can least afford to be sick and are more likely to die. I'll tell you madam mayor one of the things that I'm worried about with Georgia because it does seem like your governor is ideologically fixed on the idea of not having businesses shutdown of not enforcing stay at home orders as you said he started so late and he's ending and he's and he's releasing these things so early. I am worried when you look at that alongside the fact that there's so little testing in Georgia Georgia is one of the worst states in the country. In terms of how much testing there is. I'm worried that he's not going to feel any pressure to try to increase testing numbers in Georgia because testing numbers might reveal bad epidemiological consequences of his policy decisions so our testing has increased. But it's still busy what we are still fortieth in the nation and testing and you know. Listen Rachel the reality is as we all bring a different Lens to office so the governor with a small business owner and uncertain that the lens that he brings. Well what I bring is the daughter of a small business on a woman who owns a hair salon and so I know what happens in a hair salon. There are people in the community who come into the hair too. Many people in hair salons don't have health insurance. They are living paycheck to paycheck. And so even if we are testing people in our communities and this was the question that I posed to the governor Dr Toomey our health leader of our Health Department. Georgia today testing. There's a point in time and so if I test negative today and then I go out and get exposed tomorrow. It means what and so we now testing. Just one part of this there needs to be contact tracing there needs to be isolation and quarantine. And there's still so much more to be done and even who had funeral Bekker's saying I've never seen anything like this before and you couple that with the CDC along with health professionals and even the president of the United States saying it's too soon Then I think all of those are signs that this is not the appropriate thing for us to do at this time. I will say looking at this from outside the state and having been sorta half in love with Atlanta my whole life. I think you're the mayor of one of the world's great cities and certainly in one of the cultural hubs in America that we all have to be both thankful oven at often in awe of from outside the state looking in one of the things that is just remarkable inexplicable is that the governor didn't talk to you before he made any of these decisions. Georgia's a big state in Atlanta's just one city but it's Atlanta. It's remarkable to me that he has been preceded on this as if Atlanta is kind of outside the state or its own thing or should just go along with what he says regardless of whether or not you think what he's doing is a good idea has has just been a hallmark of the way he's conducted himself. Governor or is that been has that been worse over the course of this epidemic. Now the governor and I have had a great working relationship over the past couple of years we obviously are from He's a Republican. I'm a Democrat. But we've come together to work together on the things we agree on. He did not speak with me before he of lifted the first set of restrictions. But I can't say the governor and I did speak on yesterday. And we have tentatively agreed to disagree on this and his staff did call today to let us know that he was going to move forward with Lifting further restrictions so that has changed since the first restrictions were lifted But that being said I still didn't have any input in influence Because we simply down agree on this end so I continue to use my voice and I'm grateful for the opportunity to talk to you And have a platform to continue to encourage people to stay home and the reality is people going back to work because they need money and so that part of our economy is suffering and people are facing economic hardship. But I think this is when we step up is leaders and we lead our community and to recovery and we make it easier for people to stay at home by making sure that they'll small business as long as a getting into the packets of not just the people Who have well established banking relationships but that Barbour on the corner who may not have as as lengthy of credit history. We make sure that people have food on their table. Then these are the things that we're doing in Atlanta. These are the things that we need to be doing. State Y is certainly at a national level. America chalance bottoms. Thank you so much for taking time to nightmare. I know you have a lot on your plate and This is valuable time. Thanks for sharing. Some of it with us. Thank you for having me all right. We'll be right back. Stay with us. They were protesters again today. At the Michigan State Capitol Whole Bunch of them armed in a state that just reported another one hundred and nineteen coronavirus deaths in the past twenty four hours. These protesters were demanding with their guns That the governor should get rid of the state stay at home order. Republicans the Michigan legislature are making plans to try to sue the governor to achieve the same thing But during the debate over that today the view from the Senate floor was of these pro-trump protesters Denouncing Governor Gretchen whitmer bearing their long guns inside the Capitol Building State Senator Dana. Paul Hanky tweeting today. Quote directly directly above me men with rifles yelling at us. Some of my colleagues who owned bulletproof vests are wearing them. I have never appreciated our sergeants at arms more than today. That's going to do it for US tonight. I'll see you again tomorrow. The legal matters show weeknights at nine minutes during on MSNBC.

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Burgeoning coronavirus hot spots threaten US Midwest

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Burgeoning coronavirus hot spots threaten US Midwest

"The show we had nine stern on. Msnbc you know there were some positive signs over this past weekend the holiday weekend when the daily death poll from Corona virus seemed to be dropping On Friday a week ago. Today you might remember the number of Americans who died from Corona virus that day topped two thousand for the first time in this epidemic which was a terrible milestone again. That was a week ago today. We were over two thousand one twenty four hour period for the first time but then over last weekend's a holiday weekend over the Easter weekend. Those numbers dropped back a little bit and it seemed like maybe the numbers had maybe hit their peak and would start to consistently dropped. That's obviously when everybody was hoping But since then the numbers have been back up over two thousand deaths each day for Tuesday this week Wednesday Thursday now for today as well. It's just astonishing to be having that many Americans killed every day now more than two thousand Americans every day but just looking how fast this thing has exploded. And if you go back. Seven weeks ago to the last Friday in February that Friday February twenty eighth four Americans had been killed by corona virus a week later March six. That was twenty six Americans who had been killed week after that March thirteenth it was fifty five Americans Dead Week after that March twentieth. Two hundred and forty seven Americans dead one week after that we went from two hundred forty seven to one thousand five hundred seventy four and the month of April has just been astonishing since then in that one week between Friday march twenty seventh and Friday April third. We went from about fifteen hundred. Americans dead to more than seven thousand by last Friday April ten. That number had more than doubled and now since last Friday we are having more than two thousand Americans die every day. We've got more than thirty. Two Thousand Americans dead overall now and that has all happened. We've killed thirty two thousand Americans in less than eight weeks. New York continues to have the worst toll Even as we are seeing all these good signs statistical signs in New York. The number of new infections each day is slowing in. Its rise. The number of people hospitalized is falling the number of people in ICU. Beds is falling but still the death toll is sky high in New York every day and it is staying there today. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced yet again more than six hundred deaths in New York in the past twenty four hours. Six hundred six deaths yesterday. Six hundred and thirty today those numbers. It's been above six hundred seven hundred for all the last week and of that. Six hundred and thirty number today. The number of New Yorkers who have died in the last twenty four hours a again today governor. Cuomo took care to specify the how many of those deaths in New York in the past twenty four hours were in nursing homes. It was forty of those six hundred and thirty deaths. We're going to check in later. This hour with one of the front-line intensive care doctors who has been serving in a Bullseye New York City. Hospital Saint Barnabus Dr Ernest Patty. We spoke to last week. You may remember about the condition in his incredibly hard hit. Icu at Saint Martin. We're going to check back in with Dr Patty tonight. Live right at the end of his shift to talk to him about what it is like in the ICU is now as new. York is seeing in the data of possible light at the end of the tunnel but the colonel is still so black and so long and so cold with more than six hundred New Yorkers dying every day it's interesting. We watched Italy so closely from here as a as a precursor. We're worried that Italy was going to be a precursor as to what we would go through in this country. Those warnings were exactly right in terms of US following Italy and then them handing the baton of having the worst outbreak on because we saw Italy. Go before us. We were also heartened. When we saw Italy start to turn their curve start to bend their curve. We started to see their infection. New Infections their their new hospitalizations their ICU utilization numbers starting to go down. But even as Italy turned the corner on those numbers as New York is now. Italy's death toll still hold steady an incredibly high rate. Even now I mean they are a couple of weeks ahead of us but Italy is still even today up over five hundred deaths per day and it is not coming down. I mean just like New York. Looks like it's turning the corner on some very important metrics but New York doubts are staying high high high every day over six hundred over seven hundred and the Plateau. Very high death numbers every day. That's very worrying in terms of thinking about the overall number of Americans who are going to lose their lives here by the end of this epidemic in we are seven weeks into it. We are over thirty thousand Americans. Dead and the worst hit places are still turning in unimaginable daily numbers New York as I said over six hundred deaths minimum every day. New Jersey had three hundred twenty three deaths in the past twenty four hours. That's their worst yet. New Jersey has had more than fourteen hundred deaths in the past four days. I mean those numbers. You start to combine those numbers day after day and state next to state and it is just we are losing a lot of people and we are going to lose a lot of people but this is the challenge that we have as Americans now who in our lifetimes are going through this and who will have to answer for what we did. In this trying time we will have to answer for what we did as Americans to minimize the number of lives lost save as many people as po and toward that end. There's two things I think that will be worth keeping in mind tonight this Friday night and as we head into another weekend. I is something that we've been talking about in this show a lot over the last past week or so but I have some news to share about it tonight that I think you will find interesting and different from the way we've been talking about it in recent days and that's the issue of nursing homes and long term care facilities which as you know has been has has robbed me of my ability to sleep for the past week or so. It's because those are the places where V most American lives are at risk from the pandemic. Where the most vulnerable patients are at most risk of infection and at most risk of not getting the care. They need to keep them alive. Now I want to tell you tonight. that we are starting to see some important movement on the issue of nursing homes and long term. Care facilities. It's not for the federal government. Of course which is where we really needed to be but we are at least seeing what I think is important movement from some states. Now I went out on my way to mentioned a moment ago. That New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has started briefing every day. Not just on the death toll in New York State. But he's specifically started breaking out the number of those deaths in the past twenty four hours that came from nursing homes and that is good. That is really good that he is doing that because as much rightful attention as there has been to the hospital into the health workers at hospitals fighting for the lives of Americans suffering with Corona Virus. The nursing homes in the long term care facilities are the other place in our country where huge numbers of corona virus patients will be an are being found and ought to be being tested treated either saved or not making that visible as one of the front lines alongside hospitals is good. Because that's the way we need to think about those facilities in terms of what places need resources. What places need our support? What places need additional staff so today? New York's a- of this week. New York's governor is breaking the number of deaths in nursing homes alongside the deaths in hospitals very good today. New York state also started releasing individual data about individual nursing. That have had more than five depths someone their residents from corona virus. I don't know if you saw this today. I'm sort of surprised. Didn't get more attention than it did. It is a long and sobering list of New York thirsting homes that have had more than five deaths among their residents. But you know what? There's no reason this information should be secret. I mean just as individual states counties cities hospitals workplaces shouldn't be keeping this information secret. The stuff can't be seeking an epidemic letting people know that you've got cases that you've got an outbreak that you've got deaths among your workplace population or your resident population. That information has to be known. It's the only way that you can get help. That people know to try to get you resources to try to limit the additional body count. I don't mean to be that blunt about it but that that's why this information needs to be made public even under normal circumstances. You wouldn't expect facilities like this to publicize it when people died in their facility. We now need to know. I mean these places were. Dozens of Americans are dying. We need to know where they are first of all. Because it's right that we know right but also because the staff there will need bolstering. We'll need help we'll need PPA. The remaining living residents in these places were lots of other residents have died. They need us to see them. They need us to be able to see the danger there in because they need to be given help. We can't help trouble-spots that we don't know about. But now we know about a lot of them in New York because New York state has started publishing individualized facility data. So we know. For example. Today in Cobble Hill Brooklyn. This facility has had fifty five of its residents die in these two facilities in the Bronx. The one on the left has had forty five of its residents die. The one on the right has had thirty five of its residence. Tie In this Manhattan Nursing. Home on the left thirty one residents have died in this. Staten Island home on the right. They have lost forty four souls. Here's four facilities in Queens new figures released by New York State Today. Say That one hundred and forty eight. Americans have died in these four facilities. Have to tell you that may be an undercount in just one of these facilities in Queens. The one on the far left of your screen there the Sapphire Center for rehabilitation and nursing that's listed in New York state stated. Today's having twenty six of its residents die but an article that appeared in the New York Times today says that the director of that facility the Software Center Told his local state representative that the death toll. There is actually higher than that. It's not twenty six. It's twenty nine. The Times also spoke to to workers at that facility who spoke with time on the condition of anonymity because they didn't want to lose their jobs. Those workers told The Times that they believe the real death toll just at that one facility in Queens is more like sixty residents who have died which knocks you back on your heels to think that but again. New York State reported twenty six deaths from that facility today to workers. They're telling the New York Times they believe it's more like sixty and it is. Its Own Problem. Not just something to lament but literally something to fix. It is something that needs to be fixed that we don't know the real count at that facility or at other facilities around the country we need to know. We need to know because those places need help and they need targeted resources. If you're associated with low societies and you don't want people to know how bad your problem is. This is not the time to be defensive or to be worried about your liability. This is the time to stop the body count by being public about your trouble so you can get help the time today redid. Its own national account of nursing home deaths as well. The Times concluded that more than seven thousand Americans have died of Corona virus in nursing home so far but the times acknowledges as this everybody who's tried to do these counts. Usa Today is done account. Ap's done account NBC. News Time's acknowledges that that's probably a huge under because some states some county. Some facilities just aren't reporting their deaths. Which is astonishing but it needs to be fixed. We need to have real data real numbers because Americans just can't be allowed to die in large numbers in secret unknown and therefore lamented. I mean we're working first world country last I checked. We don't allow thousands of people elderly or not to die with no record of it and without giving all of us at least a chance to get help to them and so we need to know multiple states. The federal government is absolutely useless on this score but multiple states. This week are trying to change it. Ohio Republican governor. Mike Dewine this week signed an executive order to mandate reporting public reporting by facilities in his State. Good same thing from Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen. Whitmer who we spoke with last night on this show that executive order in Michigan. Good New York as we just showed you now breaking out the death toll in aggregate from nursing homes and publishing information as of today on individual facilities in the numbers that have died there as painful as it is to see that information. It's absolutely necessary and I wanNA tell you tonight. That other states are stepping up in other ways. Yes the federal government is still failing to do anything in this part of the crisis at all but states in the absence of any federal leadership are now innovating as new states by necessity innovate. Some of them will start to develop new best practices for how to deal with this pandemic in the most vulnerable places in the country and as that happens every state in the country should try to emulate those best practices and so we'll try to track them as they develop it in Massachusetts for example where we're half. The states deaths have been in nursing home so far the state has now told every nursing home and assisted living facility in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that the state will come in and do testing for free for all residents an all staff regardless of symptoms. That's a good start. I mean those tests need to be repeated frequently. It can't just be a one time thing. But the state taking responsibility for getting testing to every facility in the state for all residents for all staff. That is a good start in some facilities. They are using the National Guard to go in and do the testing in Massachusetts nursing homes. Because the state says we'll get everybody tested in every facility. Good to good start. It's just a start. It's a good start in the state of Oklahoma today worse. We'll get somebody into heaven someday if they are not empty words and they signify a real change the state health department announcing within the past twenty four hours in Oklahoma that getting testing and PPE proper personal protective equipment into nursing. Homes is now the top priority of the Oklahoma state health department. I've been waiting for a state health department to say that in Oklahoma. They have formed a state. Long term. Health facility taskforce. Okay call it whatever you want. They've got somebody working on the problem. They broke the state into eleven regions. Each region has reportedly been assigned an epidemiologist dedicated nursing team and long-term Care Consultants. Those teams will be responsible in each of their eleven regions forgetting testing at each facility in their part of the State and Oklahoma newspaper reports. Today that those teams will also work on how to isolate residents. Who have it? They will beef up. Infection Control Protocols in nursing homes and they will quote work with facilities on their personal protective equipment. Needs now working with them on. Those needs is not the same thing as committing to get those facilities. What they need but at least they're pointing in the right direction right. At least they are pointing at the part of the problem where the most Americans will lose their lives. If we don't change course and start helping now I will say the state of Oklahoma is also doing some relief. Dumb things at the same time. The state's governor now says he wants to start elective surgeries next week. For some reason. The Oklahoma Hospital Association the Oklahoma Medical Association the Oklahoman Nurses Association are screaming bloody murder. About what a terrible idea that is particularly because Oklahoma has a dire shortage of PT. And that matters both for its hospital staff and also for its Nursing Home Staff. So you don't want to be burning on surgeries you. By definition don't have to do the Tulsa world today quotes the person in charge of the state's peop- supplies saying that. Oklahoma has roughly ten percent of the masks. They believe they need right now. So choosing to go back to reopening elective surgeries to use. A ton of them is insane. Oklahoma is making some terrible decisions to or at least the governor is trying to make some terrible decisions but now people can do good things and bad things at the same time and the state decided to zero in on nursing homes as stated explicit top priority of the health department in that state. Yes yes other states honestly should be doing that too. If you're trying to save the most lives and if you're looking at the numbers of who is at the most risk and who is dying at the quickest clip so that's your update today in terms of nursing homes. Watch the states as they try to figure this out and then hopefully watch the states and learn from each other as the federal government abdicates the lives of these tens of thousands of Americans that are at risk in these facilities as the state. Start to pick it up. Other states should feel pressure to start. Doing what the well run states are doing reporting that information making it public making exceptions to your previous roles to make that information public and then committing to get to those places could use the national guard if you need to use. National Guard medics if you need to if you called up. Your Medical Reserve Corps recently retired healthcare people to come back into the field. One of the places you could be using them is to uplift nursing homes and long term care facilities to staff them up to shore them up to help them develop better infection control facilities and the other things. They're going to need to to to surge the medical care. They're able to provide to their residents. Do It all right so watch that the other place to keep your eyes on right now and watch this over the weekend is this is going to develop some worried about this. A cluster of states in the middle of the country that have no stay at home orders in place but where there are now big burgeoning epidemics a number of which seemed to be springing from large meat processing facilities where lots and lots of people work in very very close quarters and where circumstances have been such that. It seems like we've got many burgeoning outbreaks in many of these facilities. I mean big clusters. Big outbreaks are bad anywhere. They are particularly bad in states. That are light on hospital beds while simultaneously being blessed with governors. Who Don't want to do anything statewide to stop water now fast-growing epidemics in those places and we've got a cluster of three states where that is happening right now that you should keep an eye on one of them. South Dakota one of the fastest growing case counts in the country. Right now. They've got this huge cluster of cases at a Sioux falls meat processing plant. That cluster alone has now ballooned to seven hundred and seventy seven known cases. There aren't even a million people in South Dakota. They've got seven hundred. Seventy seven known cases in that one cluster. There's no stay at home order in South Dakota After total rejection of his requests for a stay at home order from the governor the mayor of Sioux falls as of today has dropped his own effort to try to put in place a stay at home order just for his city in the South Dakota Situation. Here with the largest known cluster in the country. It's just like watching a slow motion train wreck near the eight hundred known cases that one plant was two hundred and fifty at the start of the week we are told reliably that they still have not tested everyone who works at that plant. There's no stay at home order the local paper. The Argus leader is running a running tally every day. Now of all the new workplaces in and around Sioux falls that have decided to shut themselves down or have otherwise reported that they too now have coronavirus cases among their workers will. That's because everybody's still going to work because there's no stat homeowner in South Dakota because the governor thinks it's fine. South Dakota has one of the most rapidly increasing caseloads in the country. The entire state of South Dakota has ground total of twenty three hundred hospital. Beds governor though is unperturbed. We do have a hotspot in Sioux Falls I think everybody is well aware of that. And people are talking about that. I also want to give you a little bit of perspective on this situation I know that the national news is talking about the fact that this is a hot spot in the nation You know that's fine however they want to classify it We'll take it. We've given our businesses and opportunity to be innovative They've had the opportunity to still deliver services to their customers. We we just have a really business friendly environment. It's it is very friendly. South Dakota borders both Nebraska and Iowa both also have Republican governors who have not put in place. Stay at home orders. The Iowa governor. Kim Reynolds has spent the last couple of days talking about what appears to be a new burgeoning outbreak at a meat processing plant in Waterloo Iowa. Several meat processing plants in Iowa have already closed the one in Waterloo. Though is open the local mayor in Waterloo has asked for the plant to be closed given the burgeoning number of cases their workers at the plant. Say they were only even told to cover their faces at work. As of Tuesday of this week the governor is repeatedly now acknowledging what looks like an outbreak plant there but the plant for now is staying. Open worryingly. The governor keeps saying publicly. Her press conferences this week that she believes the. Usda is probably doing something to keep workers safe at that plant. Nobody knows what she's talking about with that as the. Usda appears to be doing no such thing but she thinks that's happening and so they are. They are blundering on in Iowa again. No stay at home order in Iowa in Nebraska. This was the front page of the Omaha World Herald today lamenting that the outbreak in Grand Island Nebraska. Which is the state's third slow third largest city Grand Island Nebraska is as a capital case rate on par with hard. Hit states like Louisiana and Michigan Michigan. Which now has the third highest death rate in the country? They've only got one hospital in Grand Island got hundreds of cases in that community. Eleven patients at that one hospital were on ventilators already as of yesterday but the state health director keeps saying that everything will be fine. They're they're reporting that they've got a bead on a few other ventilators. They might be able to scare us from other places maybe for that one hospital the local health director and the mayor of Grand Island again. This is the local health director not the state health director. Who Says Everything's fine? The local health director and the mayor of Grand Island Nebraska have asked the Governor. Please for a stay at home. Order shelter at home order please. Maybe even for just a couple of weeks. They could try to get their hands around this fast. Growing outbreak there Governor rickets in Nebraska has told Grand Island. No they can't do that. Because everything's falling governor Ricketts of Nebraska said today quote. Our plan is working. I don't know what the plan is exactly but it apparently involves opening up the giant Nebraska crossing lull as of next week. They're planning on reopening big outlet mall next week while they don't deal with this huge outbreak in the middle of the state. That's already pretty well. Full up filled up the the the one hospital in that community the Nebraska Hospital Association is up in arms about them planning to reopen this gigantic malls saying doing that would quote pose a serious threat to the health of all Nebraska since Governor Pete Ricketts not listening to the Nebraska Hospital Association. He's got no plans to stop the opening. That big shopping center opened it all back up the real truth of what's going on. In America's Corona virus outbreak is. Not something that you are going to find by listening to whatever is said into the podium at the White House daily briefings. The real truth of what's going on in America's corona virus epidemic isn't just on the coasts and in the places that we know are the hardest hit already like New York and New Jersey. The real truth of what's happening in our country. We'VE GOT THIRTY THOUSAND AMERICANS DEAD already. The real truth of it is right in the middle of our heartland now to some of the biggest worries. We've got right now. Are Right in the center of the country and they're also in those little noticed low profile nursing homes and care facilities in rest homes that are in every city and every suburb and every little town in the country that are used to getting attention while it's all of our business now because that's where the most Americans need the most help heads-up is open. This is going to be a trying time. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast. Why is this happening? I'll be talking with computational. Biologists Carl Bergstrom but what we do and don't know about the corona virus once these things get out there and this is sort of a key aspect of misinformation and disinformation is once. They're out there. They really take off and they spread in so Jonathan Swift said several hundred years ago that falsehood flies and truth comes limping after. And that's what happens on the Internet. Of course did there's more recent version of this which is known as Brandolini Book Day symmetry principle and it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up. Bowl is an order of magnitude larger than the amount of work it takes to create it so we definitely see that sort of thing happening with all kinds of conspiracy theories including this one around the virus. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America in our latest episode. We go to Nashville Seattle and all over the Internet to see just how creative some people are getting to keep the music going. What happens when gigs were cancelled? Clubs are closed and school concerts are called off when people listen to music. They're feeling the emotions and the closeness of somebody else even if they can't be in the same space as them viruses keeping US home. But as you'll hear it can't stop the music. The importance of music is to keep our spirits up. Were in this situation and in my opinion as well make the best of it. Subscribe for Free. Wherever you get your podcast. Four minutes ahead of schedule like ninety seven thirty eight from China couldn't get to Illinois fast enough loaded with millions of masks and gloves for Illinois. First responders were told. Security was heightened out of an abundance of caution. Some saying there was concern. The feds may somehow intercept this precious cargo. The state calling it a Herculean task the flight which began in Shanghai Costing Illinois taxpayers. Eight hundred eighty eight thousand dollars. According to these state receipts saw its final leg. Take off from Anchorage Alaska. A second flight with similar cargo scheduled for next week dubbed by some as secret flights to keep Washington from muddying the Pricey delivery at three twenty one PM local time chartered. Fedex flight landed at O'hare International Airport in Chicago yesterday carrying two dozen pallets of masks and gloves. Pp bought by the State of Illinois brought to Illinois basically in stealth mode so the federal government couldn't swoop in and try to seize those supplies. The reason to worry about that is because the federal government has been doing that with shipments to other states Illinois managed to land that plane full of supplies less than an hour after announcing the state's highest single day death toll so far today Illinois reported the highest single-day rise in new confirmed cases and governor Jay Pritzker announced what Illinois parents and families have honestly been expecting to hear about the rest of their lost school year. I've said time and time again. My decisions are hard ones but they will follow the science and the science says. Our students can't go back to their normal routine. Therefore I am suspending in person learning in schools for the remainder of the two thousand nine hundred twenty twenty school year that announcement today affects two million schoolkids across Illinois Illinois. They've got A. They've got hospital struggling with surging patient loads they've got very worrying outbreaks in nursing homes and other worrying outbreaks behind bars now like other. Midwestern States Illinois has multiple cases than an important Meat Packaging Plant Ball Illinois. State Officials. Say the peak. There is yet to come joining us now for the interview is a man who has lot to do at the moment. Jay Pritzker as governor of the Great State of Illinois Sir. I know that you are incredibly busy right now. Thank you for making time to talk with us. Thanks for having me on Rachel. Let me ask you how concerned you are about. What you know is coming in of apex patient loads and what you're expecting in terms of case numbers and the resources that your state has to handle them. You've obviously had to go to pretty extreme lengths to try to make sure that those pallets full of equipment landed safely and actually got to the Right Place Illinois. What are you most worried about in terms of scaling up to meet the challenge? Why'd remind you that we put our Stay at home order in place actually second in the nation to do so and so we were in a very good position from the start in terms of bending the curve and we've seen bending of the curve so originally we had estimates of thousands and thousands of deaths that would come to Illinois if we didn't put the stay at home in in place and we believe that based upon hospitalization numbers based upon even the new cases even with the high of new cases today that We're reaching a pack. It's going to be a couple of weeks But we have been preparing for some time now so in addition to expanding hospital beds at existing hospitals I also contracted to build out McCormick place our convention center in Chicago so that we would have plenty of space three thousand beds in fact for any overflow that might occur at our hospitals. You've been pretty outspoken. About your frustrations with the federal response and with what feels like the sort of random approach from the federal government toward individual states in terms of what the federal government is willing to help with. Is that relationship getting any more rational over time. Are you saying improvement at all from the federal government in terms of what they're offering the states and what they're willing to help with? We've got a lot of terrific help from the Army Corps of Engineers and the army and FEMA and hhs on the ground They've really been very good to us. But the irrationality has come out of the White House. It's when they make promises from the White House directly to me and then don't deliver. Originally they promised Tens of thousands of tests. We never got those then. They promised hundreds of thousands of e. We never got what we asked for. In fact I got I asked for three hundred thousand and ninety five masks directly to the President I and his staff and they said we'll deliver that in fact they said in trump time and then a few days later three hundred thousand surgical masks arrived. As you know those are very different things So we've been very disappointed over time about the promises and the failure to deliver on those promises by the White House. Having said that you should see what the Army Corps of Engineers has done at McCormick place and three other hospitals across the state That we've been building out to make sure that we have surged capacity. They really are heroes. They worked together with our union laborers across the state. And I'm just so pleased and proud and I am hopeful. Very hopeful there will be able to manage the surge. Let me ask you about nursing homes in your state. We are watching the federal government essentially abdicate any responsibility for overseeing helping nursing homes But we are starting to see states Innova just in the past week. We've seen The State of Michigan and Ohio put in place executive orders from their governors Among other things requiring nursing homes to make public account of their cases and or they're deaf counts in some cases other states are going further in terms of guaranteeing that all residents and staff and every nursing home can get tested at state expense. What are you doing in Illinois? What are you doing specifically on the issue of Illinois Nursing Homes Publishing information about the caseload that they're dealing with well let me start by saying that we've been on top of our nursing homes from very early on in fact before are stay at home order was in place. I was on the phone with Governor Inslee in Washington. I was on the phone with Governor Cuomo in New York both of which had terrible times with their nursing homes to learn what went wrong. And what should we be doing to get it right and so from early on we created a strike team each nursing home. Where something is flared up. We've thrown that strike team on top of. It made sure that they have the proper that they know how to use the PPI that they separate out the cova positive patients from those who are negative. And make sure generally that we've clamped down on croissant with a quarantine. Now we also closed down to visitors Very early on and we've been taking temperatures and generally checking the medical conditions of all of the staff at those nursing homes again from the middle of March. So those are the things that we did back then. Now what we're making sure we do. Because I'm a big believer in transparency. I don't need an executive order to put the information up. In fact over the weekend we're GONNA put every single nursing home and every single case whether it's staff or a nursing home resident online everybody'll be able to take a look at it but we've already known that data and we've been looking at it internally to make sure that we take care of those staff in those patients you're gonna put that as of this week and you're going to start making that data public that's correct every nursing home in the state of Illinois and again we we know who they are. We know who the private owners are. And we've made sure that we have all the right information because we've been actually collecting that for some time and looking at it ourselves but now we want to make sure that the public concede to. I'm glad to hear it. Sir Governor Jay Pritzker of the Great State of Illinois Sir. You've got a lot on your plate with this. Stay in touch with us. Let us know when if things go on. I don't know annoyed that the country needs to know if you WanNa talk about it here. We'll have you back anytime sir. Thank you thanks Rachel all right much more ahead here with us. Hey Dr Samson Davis Emergency Medicine physician volume. I thought it was going down. But realize we were on divert which means that. We were filled to capacity in a hospital and not accepting any patients at this time. But off divert today and divide his spiked again. We had about twenty patients today. All very very very very sick. Multiple Code Blues Call Lost. One patient here in emerged departments. Today that passed away and most of the people. I'm seeing now again. We're seeing an older population of people some nursing home patients now as well so if you have family members or friends in the nursing home you want to check on them as well to make sure that they're ok the message to the young people to make sure that you keep the physical social distance and going is very important because you can be carriers of this virus that you do not want to spread it. There's just so imperative at this time right now that we stayed a course gather in order to convince prevent re expansion of this virus again. People are dying. This is real. This is happening. We will get there. We'll get past this moment. You just have to stay. The course I do have an update. Which is that today was meaningfully different than shifts in the last couple of weeks. I did not pronounce a single patient dead today as opposed to the last few weeks where it's been multiple people per shift. I still had many patients today. Come in very ill and while not through death store definitely knocking on it and so we're still having those conversations with patients and with families about end of life wishes round the clock So while no one died today this is still very much a threat and still very much with us in part of our society But positive news one emergency medicine physician in New Jersey saying he thought the volume was going down but then he realized they were on divert status. Their patients were going other hospitals. Once they took themselves off divert status volume came right back up and the New York physician saying that while things are still bad. There are some good science. New York continues to lap all other states in terms of the toll of this virus. But there have been signs of improvement. New Infections new hospitalizations. Icu bed usage. All Day on that's good But still this death polls coming out of New York State. Every day are huge more than six hundred deaths in the last twenty four hours alone and that has been true every day this week last week we heard from an emergency room physician one of the hardest hit hospitals in New York Ernest. Patty at Saint Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx here. He was a week ago tonight. All the battle continues end of another still have a large number of people in debated down here uh believe thirteen incubated and about five or six C-PAP as you heard him there. Dr Patty sort of fighting to be heard over the background noise In the ICU. The are not your garden variety. Hospital background noise. That's the sound of multiple patients being mechanically kept alive. That's the sound of more than a dozen ventilators being used. Well today we heard from Dr Patty again With an update on the situation for him at Saint Barnabas today. It's Friday April seventeen but first thing you notice. Is the noise level. Much less than last Friday significantly decreased have to say the hospital. Still still running at Max capacity. The emergency department is definitely a little less congested. Let's hope it stays this report at the end of the chef de stay safe stay healthy? Stay strong doctor. Potty recorded that today just before he started his shifts as you heard there he promised to update us when his shift was over his shift has just ended and he's going to join us live next joining us now because he said. Yes to coming back and I've been happy about it all day is Dr Ernest Patty. He's the senior emergency medicine position at Saint Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx Dr Patty. I really appreciate you coming back a week. After we last spoke. Thank you so much my pleasure Rachel. Thank you for having me back on appreciate it. We've been watching. Some of the metrics can turn in the right direction in New York writ large. But you said today at the start of your shift that that same Barnabus is still full Still a capacity. Are Things different this week compared to last week? Well I definitely felt that way during the week. Rachel when I came in for my shifts in the middle of the week we happen to be on divert status as well for a bit and we seem to be decompressing. The emergency department. You spoke to one of my colleagues yesterday Dr Chris. Grant them Or your MSNBC did forgive me an he had mentioned that the ICU Still running at Max capacity. It is but I've noticed today that the volume coming in has slightly decreased. I didn't pronounce anybody Today which was wonderful and I didn't have to put. We'd have to put very many people on ventilators today. It was actually a day where we felt. Maybe we wore plateauing out a bit and We're very optimistic. We still have forgetting sick patients in because I still had a number of sick folks but not to the extent that I reported to you last Friday. I'm so glad to hear you say although I recognize the situation is still incredibly taxing Is ANYTHING IMPROVING IN TERMS OF PATIENT PROSPECTS? I mean by the time they get to you in the Er people are in trouble. They don't end up there by accident but with this incredible volume of patients that you and your colleagues have seen. How do you feel like you've learned anything in terms of how to maximize patient outcomes how to how to optimize What's going to happen in terms outcomes for these patients time? Will we have learned a number of things we've learned You know there was a lot of information being sent back and forth from institution to institution Trying to you know give colleagues hence or helpful. Ways to approach patients a lot of it revolved around p. p. n. creative ways to use it and you know and reuse it others though dealt with the way in which we actually treated these folks As far as what how much oxygen to put them on a what goals to set our oxygenation levels at and a lot of those things have been helpful. we've learned about Giving intravenous fluids how much to give how little to give and how to approach this whole process when the folks come in so it's definitely been a steep learning curve for us. We've we've learned a tremendous amount. What we do know is though that the folks who come in that have lots of Co morbidity meaning other illnesses like copd asthma diabetes cardiopulmonary issues. Were will be city. Those folks Tend to be more challenging Because they present other problems In addition to having the cove in nineteen infections so a yes we. We've we're learning a lot every day. I'm learning something. I'm a lifelong student. Rachel your position on the learning curve is going to be a position of incredible power is going to be an incredible asset to medicine. I feel like you and your colleagues seeing the number of patients that you've seen seen the volume that you've seen when other places in the country just talking with the governor of Illinois moment ago when other when other cities have patient apex is I feel like you and your colleagues are going to have so much to offer in terms of best practices. Does that system of medicine in emergency medicine work in such a way that you'll be able to share this with your colleagues around the country definitely we. We are all of us. I know Many of my colleagues that I work with remember I told you it's a team sport emergency medicine and the team doesn't doesn't just necessarily live within the four walls of your hospital. The teams lie in greater good for the United States. I mean we all are in communication with a are different medical societies and groups And Circle of friends and we definitely share the information. It's been a really really amazing experience. You know I do have to tell you though we did get a bit bad news and I was talking to some of my Senior members of the hospital as well. We actually did a loose so far. Four staff members at our hospital in addition to Dr Area who we mentioned last week So it's been It's been a battle for us. Where we've we've done a lot of a leaning on a lot of each each other we leaning on each other because many of us knew all of these Staff members quite well like I said. We're a big family. At Saint Barnabas source I affectionately. Refer to it as the born You know so it's It's been a challenge talk to Ernest. Patty senior emergency medicine physician at Saint Barnabus in the Bronx. I am sorry for your loss and thankful for your sacrifice. Thank you for your time tonight. Sir. It's it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me and everyone should please remember to practice social distancing check in on all your relatives and loved ones and and really really practice good hygiene. It's super important and One day I'll tell you funny story about growing up with my kids. I noticed hygiene was decreasing years ago years ago in general population and now. I guess we're paying have you? I will have you back to tell that story. Thank you Dr Patty. I appreciate it all right. We'll be right back. Stay with us. That's going to do it for US tonight. The wait till Maddow's show weeknights at nine stern on MSNBC.

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Weekend review, Big Ten schedule, SEC kickoff & Pac-12 update

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Weekend review, Big Ten schedule, SEC kickoff & Pac-12 update

"Welcome to the audible presented by trader. Joe's I'm Stewart Mandel joined as always by Bruce. Feldman and our new Sunday morning time slot. It was obviously a light sleeper games yesterday Bruce but the prime time game was pretty interesting to watch and you've been talking about it all off season Miami the new offense. Seems legit. Is definitely better stu I mean they were they were just discombobulated last year and it really cratered at the end of the year on the ball game or couldn't even score credits manny. Diaz, has I mean he made a change that he had to make Danny knows it'd been the OC that wasn't working he brings in Rhett Lashley. Much more UPTEMPO simplifies things and the certainly help said he has a experience playing quarterback and the Eric King. They have good skill talent. We saw that last night I mean they got to stud tight ends. They have three really dynamic running backs. Receivers are great but they're they're capable. I think the thing that. I don't want to get into. The is Miami back thing because we've talked about some podcasts a lot my my. You know gold standard line on this is Miami is not quote unquote back until they have a parade at the end of the season. But now Miami's better than the question is can Miami challenge maybe, Notre Dame and whoever else North Carolina to be the next best team in the ACC and I think. The key is going to be how much better can get on the offensive line because gang justice a really good offense language that was a good higher that they made but he's the third offense align coach three years, and that lack of continuity I think is is an issue but they they looked they looked like they were a step ahead and playing with the more of a purpose that was on the road in Louisville, has some has a lot of speed I. Was An impressive showing for them in week to. I mean there's no question baby steps here we're not talking national championships yet. We're just talking getting after several years certainly mark ricks last season Manny Diaz is first season, just an absolutely dreadful often. So dear, King makes a big difference and it's interesting the first game against UAB. He didn't have a great pass again he made a difference in the running game this week he had a very good passing game against Louisville. And I think the offensive line I I I know it's early I know Louisville's defense. was pretty ugly. I. Mean. They had some total breakdowns that certainly allowed for some of those big plays. But the F. in particular camera on here says long run around the end was perfectly the edge play by their offensive line. I know that they picked up that grabbed transfer From Houston. So I mean it just seems like they're improved all across the board. It's not just the king it's not just a red Lashley's play calling. It's Getting Brian Jordan, more involved. He's obviously extremely talented tight end. It's these new running backs It's that offensive line. To your point obviously clemson stole the class of the ACC. As you would say right now there's a clear who you know who's GonNa, play them member. It's not divisions this year. So it's who's the WHO's GonNa Finish second and play them in the ACC title game and I certainly think Miami's in that mix along with notre. Dame along with UNC perhaps pit pit pit took care business against. Syracuse. Happen to you. Offensive Line looked horrible. I. Mean. I don't know how many I don't know the summit is is timing to be to holding onto the ball to to i. think it's a combination of maybe receivers getting open but man, they look like it's going to be a little shorter season. They look like big give up like one hundred sacks this year the way that the way that the group is going. It's really puzzling right because you and I were huge. Dino Bieber's fans in the fans and he breaks out and he has that ten win season and then that was that was the end of that. There was no building on it. They had a losing season last year and not. Unless, that offense figure something out I know they've they lost some running backs who opted out. And it was kind of a tumultuous preseason guys riskiness walking out of practice. Every day look. Disastrous in their first two games on offense at least defensively. Actually not that bad. Anyway we need to get into a deep dive ACC standings discussion, but certainly Miami more of a factor than they have been the last couple years what else stood out to you on Saturday. You know what hats off to UCF and Josh Hypo, I thought they went on the road and they responded well to Georgia Tech, team that tested them a little bit. You know just incomes had some momentum look I'll be honest I don't think. Scott Frost an amazing job in Orlando and I thought the program would start to backslide and it's not showing much signs of that to be honest. That's really early in this season but was impressed with Dylan Gabriel. I think that they. I don't know again, I don't know if I think they're better than Cincinnati. We're GONNA find that stuff out on you know a mission to see how they do against. You know there's there's three or four I think pretty good vertebrae good teams in the a C., but I was. I was interested to watch. That was a good chance to sit down and see that in Luke mean tech is a young team with a true freshman quarterback but I thought it was still an impressive showing by by UCF the way they went out in the kind of attack that moment like that. I agree with you about Hypol- and I've said this in my Sunday morning column I was very underwhelmed when they hire I thought with, you would want to cash in on the momentum of Scott Frost built there and just promote somebody from his own staff HYPO obviously. Ugly ending in Oklahoma, he'd been Missouri's OC for a couple of years didn't just didn't seem like the most inspired higher, but he's he's kept it going. They did lose three games last year they're all very close losses He is now had three. I believe they played four power five teams. In the regular season. They crushed pit his first year they crushed Stanford last year. They did lose a close one on the road to pit and then obviously. Crush Georgia tech so. That program still going strong Dylan Gabriel obviously great quarterback lot of weapons around him and actually pretty good defensively as well. I think the American this year. They're very good. We expect Cincinnati to be very good. We expect Memphis to be very good. SMU's been light and up so far in their first two games so. Should be interesting there, and also I think the other thing if I wanted to point to something Saturday Oklahoma state looked terrible. Against Tulsa and. It was puzzling because they've got you by they've got Thailand. Wallace now their quarterback Spencer Sandercock hurt on the first series and then they bring in the backup and stick with him for. Most of the first three quarters and they were losing seven seven to three to Tulsa late in the third quarter than they bring in the true freshman Shane Illingworth and immediately it was. How many times you've seen the true freshman comes in and saves the day. sparked the offense, but still they scored one touchdown against. Tulsa. Struggling credit to tolstoy data rocky training camp, and I think they looked very. They look they were very inspired to play and I think they rose up to the moment pretty well You know it's still a lot of firepower that that Oklahoma state has but yet they I thought their offense aligned definitely look shaky at times and and so we'll see I mean it is a big jolt when you lose your starting quarterback on the first series in. So we'll see if if Spencer Sanders Ankle heals up fast enough for him to get back on the fields of this weekend that's the case. You know I think one challenge for maybe for college? Football. Fans and media probably is. Made in such a short season to say this. But like maybe you're going to see some pretty significant swings from team looking awful. One week to bouncing back and like Oh. That's really what they're like and I just think you're gonNA see wildly inconsistent. Is what I'm saying is would not right off Oklahoma state because they looked really dismal for the first three quarters of the opener but you know they were three touchdown pl- plus favorite and they they had all they could handle from Tulsa. Well as an example of what you're talking about wildly swing from one week to the next how about navy was swinging from the first half to the second half. Halftime of that game against Tulane they're down twenty four nothing after having been slaughtered by Byu and you're thinking. What happened they won eleven games last year how can they be this terrible and then they come back and win big comeback in in school history so There's a team that's play to gave no idea what to make of them. 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Hey, what else are you going to be doing on a Saturday mornings to come off So here we go like Scott Frost Man Nebraska wanted wanted to be back in the worst day buckle up because now you open up at Ohio state then you get Wisconsin. So those are the two most physical teams in the big ten. You'RE GONNA get a week one week two. than they have your alma mater northwestern I think it's a road game and then they get penn state I mean that is a brutal first month of the schedule for a team to try to get some traction I would think. And it was. first of all, when you see that they open against Ohio state obviously your first thought is. The big ten taking it out on them for for. For the very aggressive disagreement with the decision in the first place, the players suing them But I actually think I mean I love a good conspiracy theory but you don't you don't just youth you think it was coincidental. I actually Well first of all, in terms of the overall schedule, they were already going to play Ohio state and Penn State, and but they were supposed to rutgers to their space way rutgers to they dropped records why they drop rutgers instead of one of the two heavyweights. spite. Bill Moose. Certainly, did not hesitate to complain about it. That's for sure. But in terms of the Ohio state opener. So they play Ohio state every year Nebraska State or permanent crossover opponents. And the reason is when Nebraska joined in two thousand eleven. Their brand name program right they haven't performed that way in several years, but they're one of the all-time blue blood programs with the sport and Ohio State Nebraska in theory would have been. Expected to be a game has conference championship implications. Most years hasn't panned out that way, but it seemed to me they wanted I did east versus West for the whole first week and they wanted a game that would be like the obvious. I. Assume Fox big noon Kick Autism Marquee game. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So it's a compliment it saying we think people are gonNA Walk WanNa Watch this game. Now why did they then stick Wisconsin right after that I? Don't know I either somebody has a sense of humor or really holds a grudge. But If you're Nebraska Program I think you know if you saw the bill, Moose quotes to the Omaha World Herald? I mean he basically he's on the scheduling committee. and. He's a very candid guy. He's GonNa tell you exactly what would happen or what he's thinking, and it basically sounds like he tried to use his position on the committee to cut the huskers a break in the quote in there that that. I highlighted and I just think like. You're like, is this really what it's come to Nebraska? He's he's basically like. You know we've got a we've got a good team and a great coach, and we you know I just think we deserve a break as we try to become a big ten west contender again. Not something you would have heard in the in the Tommie Frazier era that's for sure. Yes. Well, it it makes it just a little more interesting right and you know what a? TV. Crew did that match up in Columbus two years ago. The last time rascal went there and ager Martinez was true freshman and they gave Ohio state it all it could handle on that day. Probably really could have won the game they didn't, but they came real close. So we'll see what they have. I mean look it's. It's basically still month away I. Keep Thinking. It's going to start sooner than that but it's not Very exciting that. That it's you know things are on pay per now. So we've spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about big ten. There's another one that hasn't played yet. That is coming back this week and only happens to be the most successful conference college football, the SEC and I I mean, this is the opposite of SEC bias. We've barely given them any attention recently and I do feel like. Anybody who's WHO's watched football the last two weeks would say like this is this is not I mean this is nice. It's great to have games back but something's missing and that's something in part is Alabama lsu Georgia Florida and I do think that this this coming Saturday is GonNa. Feel a lot different Almost, like the difference between the NFL preseason and the regular season to have those teams and and right off the bat right they're not playing a non conference game. So it's Conference Games Important Conference Games right from the beginning of that lineup Saturday, which one are you most looking forward to? I WANNA see. Mike. Rate in the in the SEC. Now. We've seen a we saw a little bit when. When he was at Kentucky with how Mommy without was I don't know what that was twenty twenty five years ago almost but they will play Lsu plus you has legit guys on that Defense Plush Secondary. So To me, that's the that is the most intriguing match-up of of week wine in the SEC I think. You've got the defending National Champs. And, they're gonNA. They have to replace all but five starters against a coach who is so Different from the SEC DNA. House at work. I mean I'm fascinated in general by Mike Leach in the SEC because of the pandemic, we probably haven't gotten as much of a glimpse into what they're going to be doing Now K J Costello the former Stanford quarterback looks like he'll be the starting quarterback on what a you know I almost I guess what I'm saying is yes I'm curious about that game it feels like a little bit of a stacked against them the deck stacked against them for their opener to play the defending national champs I don't know I mean if Lsu blows them off. The field I don't necessarily take that as a sign that they stink in. This isn't going to work. It's just and on you know you had to play the National Champs I But I mean boy I I remember being at the Stanford Washington State Game in Palo Alto two years ago when Gardner Manchu was on quarterback for one team and Castillo was correct the other team and it went right down to the last minute PAC twelve north implications never in a million years would i. guess that night that Mike Leach on one sideline in Caja Kostelic. At Mississippi, state of all schools you've guest. One of the stars of week one in the NFL at that moment. No. No. Not I mean at that point he was still the phenomenon was just beginning I. I. do remember going to the the the visiting team press conference. A Stanford is in this tiny tiny little room and he's up there with his aviator. Shades on and the mustache, and it was like, who is this guy like who's just been dropped into the PAC twelve out of nowhere and he's he's quite the persona I don't I don't think any of US expected him to be a star NFL quarterback did you know not surprised? He's been an NFL quarterback would to go like I think it was nineteen twenty week one amine good good for him. So that? You know that's an interesting one look. I'm curious about you know my juices flowing looked at the schedule before we started this whereas i. You know I'm interested to see what's GonNa Would Auburn's GonNa look like this year they play Kentucky. Kentucky is a solid team. Top Twenty five caliber team I think that's A. Good game because of. Auburn wildly unpredictable from year to year right and so that will be telling to see how they look against. Against Kentucky. I agree I I don't know what to expect of Auburn I would say that my game answer to which one you're most intrigued by Florida Ole miss and that is the first one by the way Florida is a team that a lot of people have talked themselves into. This is the year they could win the East they could legitimately threatened Georgia and I'm not seeing that yet but I haven't actually seen them play it. And then Ole Miss Lane Kiffin stab you as an SEC head coach which. You would have thought was at the time they hired him that he he you know he would be the talk of the town possibly all off season was a very different offseason we expected, but he's basically flown under the radar state controversy. Freeh the only time we did see him really was for monumental moment at the State Capitol when they voted changed the flag. And Mike Leach pulled his mask bound. or No tried to put back up whatever he did. It wasn't. do you remember he was playing his mask? I was like Oh, so you just to pull it back. Yeah But I think that's a team that could surprise people You know he inherits. He inherits decent talent especially in the offensive side of the ball I know defense not necessarily so much in. Obviously he's a good coach I mean he's a great offensive coach He. Made a huge impact on Nick Savings Program in Alabama when he was there. So I don't know what to expect out of that game. Maybe maybe Florida goes in and trances them maybe ole miss polls. The upset nothing nothing would surprise me much about anything in college football this year but I do think outside of let me think we know Alabama's GonNa be very good. Any everybody else has as much questions. Don't you think like in the SEC I mean Georgia we don't know who their quarterback is going to be now that Jamie Newman. Opted out LSU's replacing almost their entire starting lineup I mean we could see some we could have predicted se standings are we could see it deviate wildly an ems had a couple opt-outs recently from one of the best receivers, one of their starting linebackers. I Dunno I think it'll be and just the fact that they're playing ten games you know after playing after resisting even playing nine it's GonNa be fascinating. I'm curious because the AM is an interesting one to me as well. you mentioned John Osborne, really good receiver for them, and also their second leading tackler anthony hinds opted out less than a week before the season Those are two of their best players to make that decision I know Jimbo by all accounts is recruited very well that this is year three. They. Schedule, which last year was so rough and people were looking at go well, you know the catch a little bit of a break not so like I i. It's not Nebraska light because they start with Vandy. But after that, they go to go to Alabama and they got a top five Florida team coming in there What are your expectations and I'm like to me there one where coming into this year I was like, Oh i. think they have a chance to be a top ten team and the more this thing has played out in terms of like I said they had. I, don't know where these guys would rank. If you were to rank the five best, you know the x number of US players had but I would think they would be in the top five or six. And You match that up against a rough road of schedule. especially out of the gate like I said, I mean they started a one and two very likely would what do you think? What do you see for Jimbo's though year that there? Well. First of all, you talk about the schedule, it was originally going to be a huge seemed like a huge. Like last year, they went seven and five and it was hard to really say, oh they they weren't very good because they were. They played Clemson. Alabama Georgia Lsu I mean, what did they for the top five teams I think in the final poll so this year they're supposed to play first while you're supposed to open with Abilene Christian North Texas Colorado Arkansas Mississippi State Fresno state like everybody would look everybody looked at that schedule and say, Gosh ATM's six no and their crossover opponents were South Carolina and Vanderbilt. So I don't think there's anybody that that caught a worst break by going to the ten game conference only schedule than am who picked up Florida who lost those Gimme winds and then like you said, peep players are opting out and I just think if you're somebody who thinks this is a and m's year, you're basically banking entirely on Jimbo's recruits Jimbo's recruit. You know he's such a good recruiter. And those guys got a year in the system or whatnot they're going to break out I. don't I mean I, think at the end of the day it's like how what do you think killing mons ceiling is he's been their quarterback for three years now and he's had his moments certainly that game against clumps in two years ago, and then he's struggled quite a bit in other games. He's always been very inconsistent. So unless you think he's going to have like a Joe Borough type. Huge improvement in his senior season I. Just don't see what what there is to love about this team in terms of the guys that that have actually played. It's more about potential. If I sit, there were under wins at six and a half. What would you take? Six and a half. I think. I would take the under I. Think they're like a six and fourteen I mean. Look. As we said at Alabama than they play Florida that's back to back. Then they go to at Mississippi state than they have a double on the road of East teams at South Carolina at Tennessee, and then they finish they home against Lsu in than at Auburn is if they go if they win seven games of that. You know hats off to Jimbo. Fisher like I said, I mean when you lose to your best players, just a couple of weeks before the opener because they opt out you know those are that's that seems like a lot to lose for a team that you know like I said wasn't like they were teaming with with. Guys who were established proven stars already. By. The way earlier we were talking about whether the big ten stacked the deck against Nebraska. In the conspiracy theories, there's no question that when the SEC added those I mean they were blatant about it when they added the two teams for each team. I think that they realized that with games there's a better chance that your champion might lose two games and then or maybe he's not the champion you're worried about it's the second team and you really want to feel like this year especially before he knew the big ten was coming back that you would get two teams in the playoff and so when they went to add the teams Georgia Got Arkansas and Mississippi State Alabama got Missouri and Kentucky meal. Poor. Missouri I don't know what they did to deserve this got lsu in. Alabama. There's no that they tried to soften the teams that were most likely to be playoff consideration. Hey, quick question. I assume. You would guess on who the first team and second team preseason all SEC quarterbacks are. Can. You Guess Them Has that been announced? Is I just voted for it I'm guessing the first team quarterback is Kyle trask in the second team has Kellyn Hopefully, you didn't look up illegal to do that. No. I i. mean I got an email maybe two days ago asking to vote in that and. I was tempted to put. K. J Castillo because I've seen him play at a high level, and if he picks up that system quickly enough I, think he'll very quickly be one of the better quarterbacks in that conference But you also there's a lot of mystery about house. Bo. Knicks GonNa look in Chad Morris's offense and we don't even know who's GonNa win the Georgia quarter I'm everybody assumed it would daniels but now the word is doin' Mathis might get the job instead. So a lot of mystery around in South Carolina a little bit of a surprise wait was were you expecting that in the south? Carolina quarterback decision I remember him being a good player I'm not I'm not entirely surprised. Recall Hill to to be a grad transfer leave i. don't think he was going somewhere where he didn't have a chance to win job. So that didn't John. Seats Ryan I. Mean He sees Ryan Lansky was the quarterback. 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If you follow Jon Wilner is reporting as well as Heather dench from ESPN DOT COM, reporting, as well as some of the coaches who we've talked to They're on very different sides of this discussion about when they think when they think they're players can gump comeback safely because of. How The programs have. Either gone on since the season was postponed. And the PAC twelve announced that they will make their base announcement. What's going to happen on Thursday? So Interesting Times there because it's It's it's an odd subplot. I feel like to this story about to they feel like they can start safely on October thirty first or they feel like it may have to be November seventh before they can start What do you think stu sitting up there in the bay area and Stanford and CAL's backyard? Well, it's been pretty fascinating to watch the. So basically, you and Jon Wilner from the Mercury News or the two main people reporting on this it's not like the big ten situation where. I don't think there's a Sir Yacht of the pack twelve. Put it that way and you got being. It's it's like it just shows you how. The coaches may have completely different opinions than the people above them or certain schools are pushing an agenda that others that is the opposite of others because if you read your story with the head I mean those are some very candid quotes some some expletives flying from the coaches who are like, are you kidding me on October thirty? First? We haven't our guys haven't even been working out how are we supposed to do that some of the? Some of the just one thing on that, some of these schools, their players were sent home. So they're not going to be coming back until Sunday then they have to quarantine for basically a week. So by the time they get out of quarantine you're already talking about being into almost. You know it's a late September. That's a different run up and so one of those quotes you mentioned I'm not going to include the expletive parts that are you know people can read that but Here's where it goes. I don't think people. No. I don't think people know that when the seasons were postponed the big ten in the pack full took completely different pass they kept going like it was still training camp. They kept the same schedule like they were gonNA play. We didn't half our schools couldn't. Netted say our noses so bleeping far up the big ten's side, not backside Let's just do what's best for the PAC twelve wide. Do we work out in the summer if we only need a few weeks to play? So it's like very different between it's one thing to be in cardio shape and it's another thing to be in football shape and again I just from seeing some of the comments from some you know it's all anonymous as well as not. The PAC, twelve ladies are going on record with this either but which you've heard is like They, think it's just the California schools and I can say the athletic talk to a lot of coaches from around the league that's more than that. So okay. So your story represents the voice of the coaches Jon Wilner who has been, who is the PAC twelve reporter and has been all over this stuff. He's probably talking to his you know I'm not saying one's right or ones wrong here. You guys probably probably talking to different people and he's writing that there's huge frustration despite frustration Gulf the PAC twelve on Friday in the aftermath of the presence delaying their vote on our turn to play schedule. The conferences turning forward or the plan and include for Games on October thirty first according to a source. So his sources are telling him that there's at least some of the conference that's off that they punted it to Thursday, and that it probably won't be able to start until November seventh they're ready to go they WANNA play October thirty first and if they you know if if they're gonNA instead of making everybody, wait a week. Want you let us play earlier for ready yeah, look maybe Colorado and Utah They Square off on the twenty fourth or they square off on the thirty first and maybe I don't know if I don't know if that solves you know all the all the issues are all the frustration here wouldn't surprise me if if and when the PAC twelve decided to come back. that they if they did it on the thirty first of they did it on the seventh they would start out with the four California schools playing each other Ucla would play Cowan's and for maybe would play. USC I. One thing I will say for reporting though on Friday when the coaches were to meet with the with all Larry Scott as well as Merton hanks who helps run the football division of the pack twelve of. The bulk of their talk was really all framed around a November seventh start date, and if you look at when they're they're gonNA make they've announced they're going to make their announcement on Thursday that syncs up with the time clock gove they can't start their twenty hour a. Twenty hour period to begin to get ready for games really until what would be that Friday so if you count back, it's syncs up with the November Seventh Eighth Ninth I. I think at that point, win some of these agencies at probably a few of these programs that. Have maybe you didn't have as many restrictions on it locally I think that's when they said Oh my God were going to push back into into. Early November. Now you'll hear people talk about well now they can. We can't be in the CFP I'm curious to. Realistically. How many of these schools you thanks to would actually even. When you hear okay. These PAC twelve schools are outraged that we're not GONNA get consideration for the CFP. What do you think about that? Well. I don't know that. I don't know if that's a driving factor I I feel like they've conceded that because I don't think. Either Okay but even if you can start on the thirty first, that means you're playing at most AAC games. The big ten's GonNa, be able to get to nine and that's still. That's still you know you're still out of disadvantage there. They think maybe they can still get consideration though you're playing eight maximum and you're GONNA be compared against teams that might play ten or eleven. I just think that there's no equivalent in the PAC twelve to Ohio state who's like we've got a national championship caliber team we need to get playing as soon as possible. This would be know wasting a Golden Opportunity I. Mean I think If anybody would want it would be in that position. It would be Oregon and I haven't heard Mario Cristobal go to the Mat I. Haven't I mean they Oregon's been dealing with these terrible terrible wildfires nobody has been able to go outside and practice football anytime recently so it seems to me that. The Immune just mentioned Colorado and Utah I don't think either of those teams thinks they're going to be winning a national championship this year so. That doesn't seem to me to be I think the you know the conference wants to sync up the conference. Let's let's go back a second. The confrontation. Larry Scott made that announcement of the deal with Goodell that was September third. He said at that point you know the big ten wasn't talking about starting October they're talking starting thanksgiving. and. So as the PAC twelve in fact, even then it was maybe possibly will be able to start earlier than January first now he said he was hoping they could sync up with the big ten so that they if they both were starting too late to. Be done by December nineteenth at least they could play each other in what would be the equivalent of a rose bowl was the big ten moved up its timetable I think that the PAC twelve was like shoot. We can't be left behind. We can't WHO WE'RE GONNA play. We'll have no postseason. So I do think there's an urgency to get going so that they can get their new year six spot which by the way, there's no nobody thought to put in the contract that you play a minimum number of game. So however, they determine their champion that champion gets to go to a near six bowl and then you can have your holiday bowl and your Alamo Bowl and whatnot. That seems to be the priority. They WANNA get their near six money in their new your six bid. It doesn't seem like there's a overriding rush to get going. So seven Oh Oregon or Maybe eight, no Oregon can get try to get picked over ten in to Lsu. I am just telling you from some of the conversations I've had with some folks in the League they do talk about CFP consideration that came up this week. Well I admire their optimism. Make it in when they were playing twelve or thirteen games much less seven or eight right and I think that there's a question to be asked, which is what the heck. was, Larry Scott doing all this time they they got that deal done on September third for the testing testing wasn't gonNA arrive until the end of the month. But in the meantime, he just kept saying our hands are tied. You know the the local health officials aren't letting the California schools in Oregon schools practice. So we've just gotTa sit around and wait, and then as soon as the big ten announced, they were playing suddenly most of Gavin newsom within twenty four hours, Gavin newsom. Had relented and Oregon's governor had relented and the La County officials had relented. It's like why didn't you have those conversations three weeks ago in which case you could be up and running already in indefinitely playoff games to get playoff consideration. I just don't think that there. There some of them are not listening and I'm not sure how much some of them and I'm about the a dis have really maybe I, think they're so focused on what's in their own backyard that I think that's probably where some of this disconnect has been in why you had frustration. On both sides of this and I don't think it's like A. You Know I. I. Don't think it's like all of a sudden the people who are. looking at it going you know like you said I. Think Myself Jon Wilner were unsure. We're talking there maybe a little bit of overlap book of maybe one or two people but I'm not sure I. Mean I don't doubt that the eighties frustration of some of the eighties he's talked to is not think that's real just like I think he knows that some of the. Coaches out there that he probably hasn't talked to like there's you know there's also that's where some of the blowback is coming from, and you know a little of this has to do with the footprint of the pack. Twelve is a is a big one in terms of running from Arizona through the through the mountain region into Washington state. That's that's sizable and I think you've had. Issues at a pandemic come up. The PAC twelve is now. A one point it just seemed like they had their stuff together much more than the big ten, and now they're having their own chaotic moment. She tackle some questions as always you can send your emails to the Ottawa at G. Dot com try get them in by Sunday morning if you think about it if you think of if you remember it. After the game Saturday night John Roberts from North Carolina. Hey. Guys I've been thinking about this. Why can we not just push back the final playoff announcement to January second? They say the college football needs to own New Year's Day you know how college football can own. New. Year's Day this year Conference Championship Day all conferences play their conference titles that day that the playoffs happen around January sixteenth that gives every conference two more weeks to make up games if necessary, why is this not happening bruce? I, propose this exact idea when the big ten I started getting serious about playing coming back sooner than Thanksgiving. With the thought that this would give them a chance to actually play a full schedule. I like this idea It makes a lot of sense. I'm sure somebody can polka couple holes through it. But one thing I heard a lot in the lasts not one thing. But one of the things I've heard a lot in the last couple of weeks is how come they don't just bump back the. The CFP A little later in the calendar and one of the things somebody else said well, then also you're you're kind of running the risk of running into the NFL draft run up. I don't know I I think it's a unique year. I think because as John said, it would give you a little more schedule flexibility mean who knows what what the virus situation's GonNa be like in January but. I don't know I. think that's I. think that idea makes some sense. I think they could you know everybody is always resistant to change and We always play the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day and whatnot. But as we've seen the season with some of these quick turnaround scheduling of Games if you want it to happen, you can make it happen especially if we're assuming that The as of this moment, I would expect there to be fans at the Rose Bowl. So that makes it a little easier to to move move around now. I think that the counter this would be, why should the SEC ACC and big twelve wait around on the big ten PAC twelve you know they chose to to shut it down when they did the others. Went ahead and. Did. They delay their season a couple of weeks and risk like you said I. Mean Trevor Lawrence. Has Not opted out but would he be Okay A. Waiting till January sixteenth instead of I'm sorry waiting till I. Guess you in this scenario and we'll play the championship to like January twenty third right now it's January eleventh. Be Willing to wait two more weeks to begin his preparations for the draft and all the other guys who are going to be on those playoff teams I don't know But if you wanted to make it work, you could make it work and hey, maybe if the SEC gets into this in his just facing constant cancellations, you saw this past week. I, believe we have five or six five, I believe Games get canceled some of them at the very last minute on Friday then maybe they would say, Hey, we could use an extra couple of weeks but as of now I would plan on it being played as scheduled. It's let's close the mailbag on this from Robin Atlanta given the different number of games, start dates and canceled games. This might be the first year that I am interested in watching the playoff committee rankings weekly TV show am I getting my hopes up too much will they somehow still find a way to make it boring TV or will be the most college football thing ever I mean how could you not? WanNa Watch those first couple when they're trying to compare and I. Don't know maybe they will end up pushing their rankings little bit later I. Don't know but when they're trying when they're when they put out the first time they put out a rankings that involves teams that some teams have played seven games and some teams have played to Now maybe they'll say we're not gonNA include those teams yet. Is trying to figure out how to do that right now, and it's all over the they said, basically, they can't. They told the voters late last week you that once the big ten actually has a scheduled and you can start ranking their teams and then I think they caught them up big ten cop them off guard that when they did release the schedule. So they're still not in it this week in this most recent one on Sunday, but they will be next week and I'm just like. How are you going to? You Really GonNa put zero wins zero. Ohio. State ahead of to Clemson or whatever whatever that may be I think at some point, you just got to rank the teams I've actually played. With all due respect STU to our friend Rousseau runs the AP poll does that really matter at this point at all the people? Not Not does it have any validity I'm just saying in terms of the issue you're bringing up whether they're on there are not like it doesn't matter not. No, it doesn't I mean. While it only matters in terms of what's the main way the AP poll is used early in the season is basically, it's marketing right for the games the for vertically SPN are foxy ever say we've got number seven against number twelve. So right but those when those teams are actually playing in the case of the big ten, it doesn't matter it. Doesn't matter like of great importance I'm just saying if you start personally bring those teams back into the mix next week, just because you think Ohio state or Penn, state's going to be the whatever best team in the country it's GonNa. Then 'cause these teams that have actually played in one games rankings to to move down, it's going to kind of suppress the. The You know the the ability to Mar. Louisville. Miami is an eighteen versus sixteen. Right? Exactly might be twenty, one versus twenty, four Louisiana Lafayette might not have been ranked yet. So that all that but but to his point about the committee shows I always watch them obviously. I think that there a little bit drawn out but at the end of the day, you know this year. It's going to be the crate. This is going to be the craziest playoff racers ever been i. mean teams who knows what it will look like by the time they start doing those in terms of how many games even the teams that that are that started when they were scheduled to start you know how many games they have actually played by then I thought of kind of a nightmare playoff scenario as I was watching UCF yesterday. You know we talked a lot about. Hitting in last week's episode about You know. So so now the big ten is GonNa play nine games and what happens when it's eight and one Ohio state against ten and two or nine into SEC team. Okay. What if it's if undefeated if UCF is undefeated and they played a full eleven or twelve game schedule? And then Ohio State at eight one gets in over them. If I'm ucla, I mean that's it. Like you think Danny White was ticked before last word if that happens. All right and I'm not no. Let's get back to the podcast later this week I think a lot of special guests. Yes we will as always you can send your shit. In the audible hot. Dot Com and we'll see in a few days. With the things we used to do. Now.

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Indeed. All right. Your I quote is a pronouncement from the president of the United States. Welcome to the race. Sleepy. Joe? That was the president in his own way, welcoming somebody who finally announced he was running for president. Who is it? Mr. Joe by Joe Biden. After just flirting with a presidential run. You know, coming up behind it rubbing shoulders. Joe Biden announced on Thursday. He's entering a race. With eight declared women candidates at a time when Democrats are obsessed with rampant sexism and the opening line of his announcement E mail was quote America is an idea based on a founding principle. All men are created equal now in so many ways vice president Biden just still has the touch. He made his announcement via video of which he said, you know, when I was a kid we used to call these talkies. And he presented himself sort of as an everyman candidate. It doesn't matter what race age gender or sexuality. You are Joe Biden wants to smell your hair. Did you see the non endorsement that Obama released? Do it was just like I hear my good friend. Joe Biden wants to be president. He was really noncommittal. It was like it was lake if your friend asked you to come over to like their candle party, right? Like, you have to go, but you really wanna leave with a maximum of two candles will the problem is. I mean, his connection to Obama is his primary selling point. He was of course, Obama's vice president for eight years and people still like Obama the Democratic Party. So people might vote for him. This is his theory people will vote for him for the same reason, you invite somebody you don't really like to your party because you hope you'll bring his hut. Friend is interesting. It turns out that of course, Joe Biden like a mayor Pete put a judge is a millennial and Biden's case it's because he is a thousand years old. If you take the age of his hair plugs and the age of his teeth. The average of his body parts is like thirty seven hundred. It's just so many. I'm thinking, maybe I don't know maybe the runoff should be like red Rover and Rover. Or maybe maybe something more akin to the hunger games, armed them. All right. You're next quote is from game show legend, Ken Jennings. I don't feel like ended up credit for making small sensible wages, which helped the show with its prize Budgets, Mr Jennings was responding to the historic winning run of James holes. Our the current champion of what game show. Jeopardy. Yes. Jeopardy. Everybody's calling James holes. Hauer a genius his crazy method. Go for the questions worth the most money. Right. So instead of choosing the first one that our topic like one hundred bucks to the one of the bottom. It's five hundred bucks. His genius strategy is basically the same one as Steph Curry's do the thing that gets more points. You know, I was on jeopardy once I played for a charity and my charity head to give money back to jeopardy. They had to throw out some orphans from the shelter because you had taken money from them trips were taken away from ailing children. I was on a game show Australia where I just I was tanking. So I just started slapping the other people's buzzer. Yeah. I could see on camera or not. And I would just hit the other person. Sofi. He keeps hitting my buzzer. Haiti? You're gonna lose just lose don't drag me into. Am I the only panelist who has not been on the game show? I have sometimes gotten home early and watched jeopardy, but then rewound it on the DVR. And then re watched it with my wife. So I seem like really smart. What's crazy is people are criticizing this guy because he's too good. He's taking all the fun out of jeopardy. He's just going to win. He's showing off. And the Dave is biggest win. He calculated out the right wager. So that his total when he won was attributed to his daughter's birthday. Bidder. Nerds watching him said, oh, great. He had sex wants to. Aren't yuki. Here is your last, quote, you'd be well of guys to manage your expectations and give it its three hour, plus Runtime your fluid intake that was NPR's own Glen Weldon giving some advice to people going to see what big movie this weekend. Going to see the avengers endgame even got the chapter title, right? Yes. The game. You might remember at the end of last year's vendors Infinity war half, the superheroes. Dried up and blew away the sequel, which takes place five years later is about the survivors coping with the fact that superhero dust is highly allergenic. Though. So this is the film that finally brings all the beloved comic characters together iron man, captain America, Spiderman the hulk Snoopy Garfield. Guy from the Mr. Yuk stickers and the cast of family circus. They'll be able to find the little one because you'll see a little broken line. He jumped over the swings. The person who defeats Santos is the ghost of grandpa awesome. Are you guys excited to see this only if it starts with snorting the other? He's doing mad line. Two lines of Spiderman mirrors. I really became powder. All right. I will tell you this this thing. This is actually true that there is an because the movie is so long as you heard some people are concerned about when you can take a bathroom break there's known emission. So there is an app that you can download in your phone, and you press the button when the movie starts in it will alert you at good times to go to the bathroom. Now, I have a new reason to hate other people in the movie theater, right? So people are messing around with their phones. While you're trying to watch a movie exam with we've already been discouraging this for years and courage now, they're encouraging it exactly exactly what pissed fan Asaf. I know this is what he had to kill us. You're looking at your phone in the movie theater. Half of you must owed. If you're in them in the movie, you're an actor in it. And then you're seeing comes up and says, hey, now's a good time. Heartening to see. How did you keep do on our quiz Lieke cut his way through our questions like vendor three? Oh, congratulations. Thank you. Daban? Right now, a panel turn to answer some questions about this week's news, Paula we've got a bargain for animal lovers. Like, you a rare bird called a cassowaries is being auctioned off in Florida, the ASI birds previous owner no longer can care for the bird. Why because killed that's exactly right. Castaway is a flightless, but apparently not murder less bird. It was described by the Florida medical examiner. And this is real is having quote, no sense of humor. Killed its owner two weeks ago. There were no witnesses. But neighbors reported hearing the bird saying safe flightless again, I freakin Daria. 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I am a event planner and a stay at home. Mom. I have an eleven year old and three and a half year old triplets. Wow. Reaction allot. Urine event planner professionally so that people expect that your kids birthday parties are just going to be absolutely fabulous like caterers and elephants and stuff like that. Sure. Hope not I'm the cheapest mom there is. Liz, it's great to have you with us. You're gonna play our game in which you must try to tell truth from fiction. What's the topic Bill are crumbling infrastructure to the rescue isn't a terrible when you want to jump off a bridge 'cause you're depressed about our nation's infrastructure. But you can't find a bridge that safe enough this week, though, bad infrastructure, d- did good or panelists or go. Tell you about it pick the one who's telling you the truth and you'll win our prize the waiter of your choice on your voicemail. Are you ready to play Lacey at first let's hear from Luke Burbank. Mcmasters dam located on the Columbia River near you Mattila, Oregon has certainly seen better days a series of cracks and fissures that were years overdue for repair ruptured last month, creating one long horizontal gash in the dam through which a steady wave of water has been gushing day and night. It's been called a catastrophe by the army corps of engineers, a disaster by local farmers and totally epic by surfer magazine recently declared the wave the. Sickest surf spot in America. Because it turns out the gushing water forms a perfectly to Blake barrel of water that has become the destination for serious surfers from around the world people like twenty four year old Jason Bradford from Vallejo, California who tried to describe the wave to a confused Wall Street Journal reporter bra it's like you got the best barrels ever, dude, you just drop in and what how you smack lip and you get pitted. So pitted, you know. The reporter did not know. But eventually got to his real question. Asking Bradford if he felt nervous surfing in front of a dam that could burst at any moment and barium under one point three million acre feet of water Bradford responded by pulling a shirt and exposing Hacun Matata tattoo. Demeans no worries for the rest of your days. He added without irony. The town of Mattila is enjoying a surgeon tourism and actually sees as a long-term boon to the local economy since once the dam does burst. The three local funeral homes will be doing brisk business dealing with Chason and his buddies for the foreseeable future. Surfers taking advantage of leaking dam on the Columbia River, your next story from the bridge and tunnel crowd comes from Paula Poundstone paramedics in Omaha Nebraska, where rushing a man to the hospital fearing for his life. His heart was racing two hundred beats a minute, which could mean imminent, heart attack, or heart failure. Then fortunately for him the ambulance hit a pothole, which jolted the patient so hard his heart regained its normal rhythm, doctor Andrew gold swag of the Nebraska medicine health network said of the man's condition. Quote, one way to treat that is with an electrical shock classically. You'll see it on television, the paddles clear, and the big jolt turns out, you can do that with a pothole. When news of this gets out. Philadelphia's historic cobblestone paved streets will be jammed with cars filled with drivers and passengers with racing hearts, this heart. Healing pothole bounce maye frame any move towards an infrastructure Bill as an assault on healthcare interest on the other hand it could lead to ban loads of cardiologists secretly filling potholes in the dead of night. A pothole in Omaha saves a man's life. When his ambulance hits it and fixes his heart rate, your last Dory of decay being okay comes from Bob cat, go. Please the tiny town of cresco is enduring what might be legitimately called politely. Poop storm. Because of recent massive flooding, the century old sewer system has been overwhelmed and the drains are acting in reverse causing town wine crept testify. Homeowners if strolled into the bathrooms and discovered that their sinks baths toilets have become Balaj like dancing phones of waste. A petition has already gathered twelve hundred signatures almost half the population to change the town's motto to cresco, Iowa even worse than before. One resident who will not be signing. The petition though is Tanya IDO who says the situation is a miracle quote, like Jesus own septic tank backing up she walked into a bathroom this week to find her long lost engagement ring head appeared right there on the floor. I can only hope it came from the sink. She said. One of these three things happened isn't because of failing damn a small town in the Columbia River is now a tourist spot being overwhelmed with happy surfers, that's from Luke. From paula. A pothole saves a man's life. Is the ambulance hits it and fixes his heart rate or from Bob cat. A poop storm in Iowa. Miraculously returns a woman's wedding ring from the depths, which of these are the real story of an infrastructure failure being a success. I love Paula, and I'm gonna go with her story of the pothole you're going to policy of the pothole in Omaha. Three correct answer. We spoke to a reporter who covered the real story while route to the hospital, they hit a pothole and the jolt returned patient heart rate back to normal. There you go. The Omaha world herald. Graduations lacy. You got it. Right. Urine. Two point for Paul. Of course, you have one hour prize. The voice of your choice on your voicemail. Thank you so much for playing Gadgil nations. Thank you so much. Thank you, take care. Another game. We're talented people are confronted with a challenge that requires no talent at all. It's not my job Laird Hamilton is the most famous surfer who's never wanna surfing competition, and he's never won one because he's never entered one. Instead, he spends his time doing remarkable things like setting the record for the biggest wave ever surfed. He has a new book out called life writer. We are pleased to welcome him now Laird Hamilton, welcome to wait. Wait, don't tell. One of the check that too. Because if some when somebody said your name is, of course, Laird Hamilton the champion surfer. But it turns out am I right that you've never actually entered a surfing competition. Served in a couple when I was a kid when there was a t shirt for the prize. But as soon as the money came into it seemed like that change, the dynamics and I I opted to not participate. We understand that. It's not surprising. You've spent your life on the water because you were actually born in water. Well, that's why was born in using a Ba'athist fear which was actually like almost like a hairdressers vacuum that went over my mother's stomach and relieved the pressure on the on the abdomen. So I wasn't birth in a tub, but I did have a unique birthing process as put it that way. Do you think that ended up sort of steering the course of your life? I would like to say it didn't affect me. But other people disagree. I'm so basic question. What is your job Laird Hamilton? I would see he knew baiter I like innovation, and, you know, I mean, I made a career as an happily I've subsidized my surfing with a lot of different things. When you serve like for a living who pays you. Sponsors. How do they know to do that? I mean, your guy with a surfboard, and you go to the beach, and there's a wave and your surf it. And then somebody runs over and gives you a check. No, you're you write a giant wave. So we kick the pitcher they put it on the cover of National Geographic. And then and then a company says, you know, we'd love to give you some money in and try to get on national gear up again. I just wanna make make it clear to everybody else that actually happened. Right. Yes. What do you think in your estimate is sort of the craziest or riskiest or maybe even most foolish thing you've ever done because you wanted to? There's a long list. We don't have enough time. But you know, I've done some crazy Pavel's between islands I have. From course, it good to Italy one time, and and we were kind of lost at night palling around in the middle of the Mediterranean. You know, I've had some other I've been in Russia, and I felt through glacier when I was helicopter snowboarding in military helicopters. And I mean, I hold on to you too. You gotta ride on a Russian military helicopter to glacier in Russia. And then you went snowboarding down the glacier, but we I fell in fell through corners. At one point. We we've been writing most of the Dan I was hiking behind one of my partners, and I fell through this a coroner's that have been in the wrong, you know, a couple of feet over. I might not be you know, on this phone call. So I was at hard to get the Russian military to let you do that. Or they're like layered ham. Love your shorts. Anything about layer. It was more like, you know, money for. And there's a couple of goals in, you know, in in in in the bird, and you know, he's still got in. There was a pilot. He was whining. Paid with vodka. A very low bar. It's refreshing the here in American that has no problem meeting that the Russians helped him. Yeah. So one of those instances, you're you've fallen through glacier, and you're in a big hole in the ice. Or you are somewhere between Corsica on Italy on a urine a paddleboard or a surfboard on that. Standing there on a board in the middle of the ocean. It's dark, you don't know where you are. Everyone a point where you said, oh, man, I screwed this up now or do you just not ever like losing? Really? Really like, oh, man. More than once. Yeah. I think you kind of good at it. Actually, you're like oh again. I hope I make out of this one. You're somebody other people admire so much, and I'm just wondering if you ever found yourself in a moment going man, I wish I'd become a CPA like mom wanted. Never. Crazy. Snowboard glaciers, but the most terrifying thing is being a CPA. I understand that one of the things that you're doing is you have a really rigorous. I don't know. It's exercise program is not sufficient, right? It's kind of a training program. You offer to people. Experience. Call the next PT which kind of stands for exploring performance training, but it really is a lifestyle program, and it's it's really about recovery move and breathe accurate. This is but somebody told me, oh, yes, that's the Purdham where you have to go underwater and lift weights while holding your breath. There is there. His dad part. So that's part of the recap. There were covered. Recovery and not not just killing you like a normal way program might make you go into a gym and lift weights. But you because you're more generous to people makes them go into water. If you're use the wage to hold us down, and we do a lot of explosive jumping. Prevent us. The weights to hold you down in the bottom of the pool. How many clients have you lost? None that we know of. But I have. In the pool today. Well, Laird Hamilton, it is a pleasure to talk to you. We've invited you here today to play a game. We're calling championship channel surfing you, of course, big wave surfer. But from everything we know you're probably not very good at America's favorite kind of surfing channel surfing. We're gonna ask you three questions about terrible moments in television history. If you answer three questions correctly, you'll win a prize for one of our listeners the voice of their choice on their answering machine. Bill who is Laird Hamilton playing for Evan Hansen of Princeton, New Jersey, and they've got a big surf scene there. So I'm sure he's. All right here, we go. First question. There was once a failed cable channel called Genesis storytime. Didn't last very long. It was created just for kids. What programming did Genesis storytime offer? Was it a it reenacted other cable TV shows like the sopranos and homeland, but with puppets and clean language. Be. It was just a series of still images of pages from children's books. So that apparent could sit and read the TV to their kid or see it purported to teach kids, quote, real life skills such as asking people out on dates and cures for hangovers. Beat beat. You're right layered. You mailed that? Carried it on there'd be a page of kids picture book, you'd read the page and after a short period of time, it's which to the next page read that page didn't last long. All right next. Yeah. True. They have those you don't have to plug them in next question. There are some shows that have come and gone very very quickly as in which of these which of these shows appeared only to disappear almost instantly. A FOX's who's your daddy a game show in which an adult who've been given up for adoption guesses, which of the twenty five men on the set is their father. Being PBS is trigonometry teaching educational comedy show. Co seinfeld. Or C NBC's crossover experiment law and order and Frazier. I have to go be again, the trigonometry teaching educational comedy show, co Seinfeld. What's the deal with high? No, you're going to course. All true. If you guessed, right. You got one hundred thousand dollars at which point your dad, suddenly took it interest in you again. All right last question. If you if you sit there and channel surf long enough, you'll end up on the home shopping channel. That can make sometimes for unexpectedly memorable viewing which of these actually happened on the home shopping channel was a after a host wacked the blade of a samurai sword on the counter to strength the blade snapped. And stabbed him in the chest. Be man showed a photo of a moth taken by the camera. He was selling, but then for full minute- referred to the moth as a horse or see a woman selling jumper cables decided to show what happens when you switch the cables and the car battery setting the battery on fire. I just I I'm excited. I'm sam. You're right. But then again, all of them, really happen. General. I don't like they could've. But somehow I just kinda like this. Yeah. Me too. I have to him. Out of out of the three of them. That's the one that I would be most likely to do so. Yeah. Bill how to learn Hamilton doing? All right. Lizard Hamilton is a legend of surfing, and many many other things his new book life writer is out now Laird Hamilton. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm wait. Wait, don't tell me a pleasure to start. Just a minute Bill ties the knot and brings all his baggage in the listener Limerick challenge. Call one triple eight wait way to join us on the air. We'll be back in a minute with more weight. We don't tell me from NPR. We'd like to thank our sponsor who brings you. This message discovered who alert you if they find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky websites. Discover believes there are some things that you just need to know. It's just another way. Discover looks out for you, not just your account and best of all social security alerts are free for discover card members. All you have to sign up online. Learn more at discover dot com slash free alerts. Limitations apply. Hey there. It's Joshua Johnson. 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Lawyers in the UK are scrambling to figure out whether or not it's legal to deny someone housing based on their what smell. No. Wait, no, not their weight. The you're on the right track. Because in fact, somebody was denied housing I'm gonna say it again. But when more confidence their weight. Physical thing nut quite I'll give you a hint. It's like it. May it does make sense because Lieber is never pay their rent. Oh into the strategy. Right. That's the answer is it legal to deny someone housing because of their actual logical. Sign is the question that was happening. It happened. A woman responded to a potential roommate and rejected or saying quote, her main concern is that your Capra corn. But so she still wanted to live with this person. Well, apparently the woman had such a cap record move, really? Joe stubborn and argumentative. It'd be like a year nutball. Wait a minute before you get upset. It would be great. If that's what discrimination was no jugglers. Welcome here. People who clap after planes land need, not apply. That's a pretty solid one. Courts are going to side with you on that one. Bob cat hooters has long been known for the waitresses and tight shirts and hot pants, but they're now looking to extend their brand they've opened a new chain of restaurants Pacific designed for whom for Mormons. Needs. I I have no idea. It's like it's like you go there, and you say, that's right. Timmy, it's a sound and owl makes and nothing else. Hooters, but for. Trying to wear clean. But you can that's the point. I know I'm trying to clean. I'm you. Bring your kids. And so yes, you just said it's worth hooters for families. It's called hoots. So who is the restaurant is usually known as a great place for very sad. Dads to stress eat while sitting near boobs starting a new family restaurant chain called hoots and done a very good job. They've even removed the nipples from the two of the sign it's not necessary. I used to take my kids to hooters for mother's day. Mother's day. Behold hooters thing it's just like I wanna objectify women. But I don't wanna go to a strip club because those are dirty. Strip club with training wheels. Pretty much pretty much. So this is the basically get your kids used to the overall hooters invited. Then they when they're of age will feel very at a full, basically, they're trying. So hooters is staying true to its menu serving up wings and burgers with the emphasis on breasts will be shifted away from leering at them and towards nursing infants in fact, menu offers three kinds of milk, chocolate two percent and prepared table side. Coming up. It's lightning fill in the blank. But I the game where you have to listen for the rhyme. If you'd like to play on air called really of a message at one triple eight, wait, wait that's one eight eight nine two four eight nine two four click the contact us Lincoln our website. Wait, wait, NPR dot org. 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Right. Yeah. That's great. I definitely something to every coat in even the interior being do you think there's any chance that we here in Chicago have ocean front property because that would be pretty cool. Welcome to the show. You Bill Curtis is gonna read for you three news related limericks with the last word or phrase missing each if you can fill in, of course, the last word or phrase on just two of them, you'll win our prize ready to go. Here is the first Limerick with my veil through the pre check. I'm heading the best bands late flight. We are dreading still terminal three is the right place to be southwest is the theme of our writing. Yes. Wedding. Ever gotten off a flight with dry mouth while also having to P thought, gee, I wish I was getting married right now the ticket tip from a couple who got married at a baggage claim in the Cleveland airport. Don't laugh have you been to baggage carousel six. It is the Paris of Ohio the couple chose to get married at the southwest baggage claim because they met their twelve years earlier and southwest termed. By this promised any day now that their bags will show. That's true. What is true is that southwest donated airline snacks for the reception, and is treat even let the bride and groom have a full can of soda. Sadly, however because they checked in late they weren't able to stand next to each other. All right. So here is your limit the collapsible screen. I'm remolding. Now, the shards of my phone. I'm beholding this phone isn't smart because it just breaks apart like a map, it just can't handle folding. Yes. Samsung. Delaying release of it's highly anticipated galaxy fold phone which has a foldable screen now. It's true. The screen has a tendency to break, but it only happens if you fold it. Breaks by the way, in the bad way, where your screen doesn't work and not in the good way. 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COVID stats, facts sidelined to protect Trump reopen happy talk

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COVID stats, facts sidelined to protect Trump reopen happy talk

"The show we nine on. Msnbc GIVE me an update story that we brought you last night. That was a weird story unexplained as I described it last night but honestly pretty inexplicable under any telling a story out of the state of Arizona. Brought you the story last night. It has had a very big payoff today. Let me explain. Arizona continues to see a steady rise in corona virus cases. They are nearing ten thousand confirmed cases. Today the state has had four hundred and fifty deaths that puts Arizona somewhere in the middle of US states as far as the number of cases and deaths but their case numbers and death numbers are both going up. I should also say though that what we know about what's happening in Arizona in terms of cases is almost certainly a significant undercount because Arizona's testing rate ranks fifty first in the nation fifty first because they are behind all of the other forty nine states and they're behind Washington. Dc as well. That's according to data from the Kaiser Family Foundation so Arizona's testing is absolutely terrible. And they know they've got a pretty big problem on their hands so last week. Arizona's Republican governor. Doug Ducey announced that he would extend Arizona's stay at home order until at least mid. May he said he was following the data? And that makes sense looking at the data that we've got out of the state and as we reported night We know that the the data the governor was relying on included very specific and Arizona specific model that was created at the state's request by experts at two of Arizona's top university top universities in this model this the most robust Arizona's specific corona virus project anywhere. It found that the only way the state could avoid an exponential growth in cases was to maintain the current. Stay at home restriction. To until at least the end of May the end of May so last week. Arizona's governor looking at that data told the people of the state we got to extended the stay at home order now another woods yet but then this week. Surprise as the president announced a plan to visit to Arizona Arizona's governor Doug Ducey suddenly did he and decided that no the state wouldn't have to keep in place at at home order anymore. He was going to accelerate the planned opening hair salons and barbershops go for at restaurants. Your next Governor. Ducey made the sudden change announced it on Monday. Perhaps it did have something to do with that impending visit from the president who of course has been encouraging governors to open up right now. Because everything's fine now. In any event governor Ducey's administration said that in making this new decision and changing their mind. They were relying on a new model. A different model from the one they had worked with the universities on. They said that for this new decision they were relying on a model that had been provided to the state by the trump administration and that model said everything would be fine. If the governor lifted the stay at home order right away no reason to wait and this new model that told the governor go ahead. Open everything up. It's a secret. Nobody is allowed to see it. We just know what the governor's administration has said. Is it just hours? After governor ducey announce the new accelerated reopening based on those apparently reportedly rosy projections from the federal model. That's a secret and we're not allowed to look at Interestingly he he he went beyond just stopping looking at the Arizona specific model that had been made by the experts and scientists at the universities universities in his State. He won't be on just not looking at their work anymore and he actually ordered those modeling experts at those universities in Arizona. That they should stop their work. He told them to stop down. Not just. We're relying on a different model now but we order you to stop your modeling work. We don't want your model to exist anymore and Governor. Ducey told the universities that the state would rescind its agreement to share data with them and they wanted to claw back data they had already given them all the data sets. We gave you to do your modeling in terms of the and the state of Arizona. We want all that back and you have to stop working I mean I said last night. I don't know what's weird about the story. The fact that the state of Arizona ordered its expert modeling team to just stop while the state is obviously still very much in the middle of this epidemic Or the fact that they are apparently now relying on a secret model from the trump administration that nobody is allowed to see but trust us. It says that what we're doing is exactly the right thing scientifically. You just can't check us since this has come to pass over the course of this week and number of officials have raised concerns about this decision including Arizona's Democratic US Senator Kirsten Cinema and Democratic Phoenix based Congressman. Ruben Gallego The congressmen actually went so far as to tell the universities that they should ignore the governor's order and they should keep working on the modeling for the State. Well that was the story. As of last night we reported here last night we talked to a former head of the state health department in Arizona. Who called this decision astonishing and walked US through it? How it had happened in how crazy it was update. The ducey administration today changed their minds the Arizona Health Department announcing today quote we are pleased to announce an ongoing partnership to continue providing models. The state says they were simply trying to be understanding of all the demands on these researchers time. They didn't want to be a burden by asking them. To continue working on this model for the state but quote since then meaning since yesterday the universities and team members have expressed a willingness to continue doing this work. Yeah Yeah who knew that? We're willing to continue doing this. Work in the middle of the epidemic. I guess we should have asked them before we told them stand-down stop working but now they're going to continue working on this. Hooray so that weird situation in Arizona appears to have been resolved today. It appears to be one of those situations that just couldn't survive in the sunlight the administration tried to make this change in the dark enough people notice and squawked about it that it sort of crumbled in the light of day. You'd be surprised at the number of bad decisions that can be reversed that way but then concentrated attention. I mean there's still the matter of this secret supposed- federal model that nobody can see. It's still not been released as of today but like I said problem a little bit solved. At least. The university modeling experts in Arizona will apparently continue their modeling work with the state We'll see if that modeling work affects the ongoing decisions of Governor. Ducey in terms of what he says to open up given that those university researchers say that opening up before the end of May will put Arizona back into exponential growth in terms of their epidemic. But that's just one development out of a million today. It has been that kind of day. There are hurting stories and disheartening stories. But so much stuff happened today. It's one of those days where I think it's sort of been hard to keep up with the news. Arizona for example is just one of thirty states that have either started some degree of reopening or they will start reopening soon the New York Times reports today in a serious report that we will look back on and shake our heads at a New York. Times reports today that most of the states that are reopening are not only meeting the stencil requirements for reopening issued by the White House. But they're going in the opposite direction quote in more than half. The states easing restrictions case counts are trending upward positive. Test results are rising. Were both and virtually none of the states that are reopening have anywhere near the minimum rate of testing. That experts say is required to reopen safely. As up this evening there are over. One and a quarter million confirm corona virus cases in the United States and over seventy six thousand Americans have died and our numbers continue to go up and up and up that appears to be completely dislocated from one our political decisions in places with rising epidemics to open up anyway and pretend like things are already getting better. I mean to lost seventy six thousand Americans already just staggering staggering number. And of course it is likely significant undercount of the deaths because of the thousands of people who have likely died from covert nineteen who were never tested and therefore not officially counted because our testing access in this country continues to be severely restricted. I mean everybody looking at this from a scientific or basic third grade. Math understanding knows that the official death count in the United States is astronomical and also probably too low unless you are President Donald trump if you were president. Donald Trump apparently think the corona virus death toll in the United States is too high? It's fake news and really. The numbers are much smaller. Axios reporting now that president trump has quote complained to advisors about the way corona virus. That's being calculated suggesting that the real numbers are actually lower a number of senior. Aides share this view. According to sources with direct knowledge a senior administration official says he expects the president to begin publicly questioning the death toll as it closes in his predictions for the final count and damages him politically. Apparently the White House thinks that hospitals are running some sort of gripped where they're over reporting corona virus cases there making up fake corona virus patients in order to cash in on sweet sweet. Medicare money for treating corona virus patients. Currently we're supposed to prepare for the president to start blaming American hospitals for inventing this epidemic that this many people aren't really dying right if it wasn't for those greedy hospitals we'd see the real much lower death count's while that's happening at the political level the virus is hitting close to home for the president literally from NBC News Today One of President Donald Trump's personal valets. Who Works in the White House works in the West Wing serving the president? His meals among other duties has tested positive for the corona virus. The closest the viruses known to have come to the president according to a White House official staffer who come into close contact with the president have said they're tested regularly for corona virus. But a few aids have been seen where excuse me but few AIDS have been seen wearing masks around the west wing would after learning of his valets was infected. Trump became lava level mad at his staff and said he doesn't feel they're doing all they can to protect him from the virus. Yeah it turns out. It's just really hard to work to contain this virus. Whatever the president and the White House or Republican governors might wish or want to be true epidemic viruses the virus in the sciences the science. I mean you can. You can deny that it's as bad as everybody says and you can deny that it's really a risk and safe to open everything back up but you know then somebody in the White House who's probably been close to the president to touch him a lot because he's his valet that then that guy turns out to have it scary right scary to not be in that much of a bubble she thought you were and know the guidelines on how to reopen the economy turns out. That's a hard thing. You can't just wave magic wand and say it's over we want it to be over and so therefore we shall reopen in the economy. Come right back to where it should be. The reason the economy is shutdown is not because of some sort of blue state plot. It's because there's a virus that's killed seventy five thousand Americans and infected US and isn't slowing down at all and the only way we can slow it down because we don't have a treatment and we don't have a vaccine is to keep Americans apart from each other and that must be very frustrating. But that's the science here at the. White House apparently designed that they are going to stand against that science as well. The Associated Press reporting today that detailed step by step guidance created by the experts at the CDC to advise state and local governments on how and when to reopen various parts of their economies that CDC guidance was shelled by the White House. Scientists were reportedly told that they're very carefully researched fine grains document on the slow careful approach. That would be needed to reopen things safely. That document quote they were told would never see the light of day no time for all that. Hard work certainly. This White House is not going to tell states and localities to do all of that work and be careful and deliberate about it. They you to just open up. Just pretend this isn't a big deal. We're actually going to have more on that story including the reporter. Who broke that story later on in the show tonight there was more today. I mean there was Vice President Mike Pence at an Alexandria Virginia Nursing Home Today holding big sell Pretoria notice. I'm not wearing gloves or a mask. Yeah secretary throw the paper towel style photo op for the federal government's first shipment of personal protective equipment to a single nursing home in America. Why is he working with that guy? Not Wearing masks not wearing gloves. Where's that going after? You've been touching without gloves on. I mean we are twenty thousand. Americans dead in nursing homes into this twenty thousand Americans have died in nursing homes already. The trump administration is really excited to Brag that they are doing something for the nursing homes for the first time today. Now that twenty thousand Americans are already dead. They say this is one of over one thousand deliveries. They're gonNA make to nursing homes between now and the end of June. No rush but they didn't start doing anything until mail and that's what they're bragging about. Also I will. I will tell you if this administration is capable of organizing in carrying out some sort of systematic and actually helpful delivery of necessary supplies to every nursing home in this country. I will be surprised and I'll tell you why next Mike Pence Today. Among on all the other people he touched and spoke face to face to without masks was seem Verna. You see there in the frame with him. She runs the part of the trump administration that oversees nursing homes and that part of the trump administration has been telling us now for two and a half weeks that they're just about to start releasing data on corona virus in cases in nursing homes around the country that would be really helpful information to have because some governors. Some states haven't been releasing that information which is cruel to the people who live in those homes and to the people who have family in those homes and it is cruel and self-defeating for the communities in which those homes are located because when there are outbreaks in specific nursing homes the communities in which those homes located need to know it because nursing. Home outbreaks won't stay there. They will become community outbreaks because those homes just like prisons just like meat packing plants just like all of these other facilities that are housing huge outbreaks their porous and they create create outbreaks. Where they are where they are located in the community. So if in fact Seema Verma's agency is going to start releasing facility by facility information about where there are nursing home outbreaks in this country. That's great because a lot of states you can't get that information. The federal government's going to do it that's great. They've been telling us for two and a week two and a half weeks that it's it's coming soon. It's almost it's we've been checking in with them regularly every few days they keep us. It's about to come out. It's about to come out today. They told us that that data will start to be released. Maybe at the end of May so I guess we'll just wait. Then that's also the the timeframe they have announced for when they're going to have their nursing homes task force meet for the first time maybe convene around the end of May busy till then as just the kind of day has been And the news has been fast and furious today from the Judicial Branch and from the Justice Department today as well. We've got big ruling from the Supreme Court today. That may finally put to rest the Great New Jersey Bridge Gate Scandal of thirteen which aged me. Approximately seventeen years seems almost quite by current standards. The Way Staffer and a political appointee and Governor Chris. Christie's administration decided. It was time for some traffic problems in the little town of Fort. Lee New Jersey in order to get back at that mayor for not endorsing Chris Christie and his bid for reelection as New Jersey Governor Christie staffer. Bridget Kelly who wrote that. Infamous email and bill baroni another Christie appointee. They'd been convicted on charges of fraud and conspiracy for cooking up this plot to jam. The streets of Fort Lee New Jersey by closing lanes connecting the town to the George Washington bridge the busiest passenger car bridge in America. Richard Kelly have been facing a year and a half in prison. Bill Baroni was facing two years in prison but in a unanimous opinion today. The Supreme Court rejected the entire premise of the case and through the convictions. Out Saying yes. There was evidence of deception corruption and abuse of power but federal fraud. Statutes do criminalize all such conduct and so our national hunt for what counts as punishable criminal corruption in public service continues starting to need brighter and brighter lights to find it and that was not the only news today just at the Supreme Court. The trump administration asked the supreme court today. If they could please not hand over the grand jury material. From the Robert Mueller investigation. A lower court had said that the trump administration has to hand that material over to Congress. The Justice Department has to hand over that material unless the Supreme Court steps in the deadline for turning over that grand jury material to the house is Monday ever since Robert. Muller finished his investigation. The Justice Department has refused to hand over the grand jury material from that investigation if the Supreme Court agrees to step in and here the trump administration's case it is possible. They hear the case and maybe even rule on it if they were persuaded to act super quickly before the November election so the trump administration weighing in at asking the Supreme Court. Please block the stuff from coming out. I sort of felt like that was going to be the biggest non corona virus news of the day. But that was not even the only news. We got today involving the molar investigation. We also got the stunning news today. About the case against General Michael. Flynn Flynn of course was the president's first national security adviser. He lasted precisely twenty four days in the job of National Security Advisor. It was let go in February twenty seventeen just a month actually less than a month. After trump was inaugurated after it emerged that General. Flynn had lied about his contacts with the Russian government during the transition he had lied to reportedly other administration officials but more importantly than that he had lied to the FBI. Specifically he lied about discussing with the Russians the possible lifting of sanctions that had been recently imposed on Russia by the Obama administration as retribution for Russia meddling in the two thousand sixteen election to support president trump. Flynn was also part of the reason. That president trump later fired. Fbi Director James Comey. Komi refused the president's entreaties to end the investigation into Flynn. He refused to the president's words. Let it go. President responded by firing Komi. Comey's firing lead to the appointment of Robert Mueller special counsel for the Russia investigation. Flynn was the first senior. White House official to plead guilty late. Two thousand seventeen as part of that investigation for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian government. I mean you can see it right there in his plea agreement along with his signature. I am pleading guilty because I am in fact. A guilty of the offence identified. In this agreement signed lieutenant-general Michael Flint Flint. Also pled guilty a second time out loud in court in front of a federal judge at his initial sentencing. Hearing the judge said. Let's let's just make clear. Let's be clear here quote. You're guilty of this offence. Flynn responded yes your honor but now apparently never mind. Never mind that whole thing. A new team of lawyers for Mike. Flynn has been on a month long campaign to erase the fact that he pled guilty and to fight the charges against him accusing the FBI of acting in a bad faith effort to trap him for some sort of unstated political reason. Today they won today. Attorney General William Bar and the Justice Department said they would entirely drop the criminal case against Mike. Flynn never mind that. Flynn has already pled guilty to lying to investigators. He never mind that he. In addition to that admitted to other crimes as part of his plea agreement he admitted to multiple other crimes for which he was not charged because he agreed to them as part of his plea agreement but the Justice Department has decided to let it all go. This development was both expected and unexpected. A lot of people had been expecting and waiting for the president to maybe pardon. Mike Flynn but now we just have to bother with that because affectively bill bars done the same thing. The first hint something was about to come happened about fifteen minutes ahead of the news about dropping. The Flint Prosecution when the lead government prosecutor in the case a veteran of the Mueller Investigation Brandon van abruptly informed of the judge in Flint. Case in case in a one-sentence filing that he was quitting that case. If you feel like that's reminding me of something that's giving you deja Vu because a similar thing happens in the Roger Stone case remember all four federal prosecutors working on the Roger Stone Prosecution quit in protest after Attorney General Bill Bar stepped into their case and overruled the requests that Roger Stone. Get a sentence of seven to nine years in this case. This is a different matter but it's the same active protest by a prosecutor. At least as far as we can tell I mean this is different than the stone case for one thing. Roger Stone never plead guilty but by dropping this case against Mike Flynn. The Justice Department is essentially asking us to pretend his whole prosecution and his whole guilty plea never happened even though his guilty plea is literally right. They are for all of us to see. Just I mean not to put too fine. Appoint on it but quote. I am pleading guilty because I in fact guilty so the Justice Department deciding. No no no. You're not guilty. You didn't know what you're saying. Let's undo all of this prosecutor quitting apparently in protest. I have questions about this. I have a bunch of questions about this. I mean number one is this Flynn Prosecutor Brandon. Ben Grech is he quitting just this case or is it possible that he's quitting the Justice Department entirely if he is quitting the Justice Department entirely? Would that free him up to explain to the American public? What happened here. In terms of the attorney general in upper levels of the Justice Department waiting into a criminal prosecution to pursue an outcome that the president favored and had publicly advocated for. Could he talk about that if he in fact is leaving the Justice Department? Second this decision by the government to drop the case came in the form of a request to the judge. Who'S OVERSEEN FLINT'S CASE? Must the judge in this case? I mean again. Same judge who twice accepted. Michael Flynn's guilty pleas. I must the judge now agree to toss the case because the Justice Department is saying they want to can. The judge refused to do that. Does he have that option? Third doesn't matter that Mike. Flynn admitted to other crimes. As part of his guilty plea for example in addition to lying to federal agents about his discussions with the Russian government fled also admitted to making false statements and violating lobbying laws by failing to register as a foreign agent of Turkey during the transition. He was literally the incoming. National Security Adviser and he was secretly on the payroll of a foreign government and he lied about that too. Any admitted it does that matter now and finally perhaps most important of all going forward. What does this decision by the Justice Department today mean for a little thing? We used to call the rule of law. I have a whole bunch more questions about this. I would like to start there. I have just the person who may help us answer those questions next. 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Tens of millions of Americans have lost their jobs in recent weeks and compounding the stress and anxiety caused by corona virus in our latest episode. Here what happens? When an economic crisis and a mental health crisis collide experts are doing to help search for into America wherever you're listening right now and subscribe attorney. General William Bar in the Justice Department today apparently decided they don't care what anyone thinks. They've decided the whole banana. Republic criticism just doesn't sting them anymore like it used to today. They just finally went ahead and dropped the prosecution of trump national security advisor. Mike Flynn who already pled guilty twice To to investigators about his secret communications with the Russian government during the transition of the lead prosecutor on the Flynn case Brandon men Grech quitting the Flynn case moments before it all went down and then quitting some other cases at the Justice Department to have questions joining us now is Barbara mcquade former. Us Attorney in the Eastern District of Michigan. And someone who I miss seeing on the regular far. I really appreciate you being here tonight. Thanks for your time. Oh you bet reach. I'm really glad to join you. So let me ask you first about Mr Grech He's an espionage prosecutor. He was handpicked early. On for Muller's team I think he was lead prosecutor. At least High Profile Prosecutor in the Flynn case so moments before this decision comes down he withdraws from the flame case he also withdraws from several other cases. It seems like he has acted in protest. Of what the Justice Department decided to do here. Would you expect that he would be able to talk publicly about what happened if this was an act of protest probably not? I don't know what his reason isn't as you said. I'm not sure whether that means he's resigning from the Department of Justice. Only withdrawing from these cases I would imagine that either way the White House would seek to block any sort of testimony if he were to be. Subpoenaed would invoke privilege if he were to attempt to speak publicly about this. And so my guess is we will not hear from him publicly about what happened here so even hypothetically if this was a super egregious intervention in the Justice Department process in the prosecutorial process. If you know the attorney general marked in one day and said he's the president's friend and we got a rule now that you can't prosecute the president's friends Brandon Bandra could be blocked from even like doing interviews about that or explaining to anyone that that had happened. Well there is an exception for crime and fraud and so if that were the case certainly he could come forward and talk about that so I suppose if he's out of the Department of Justice there's less leverage over him about what he can say. But just as we've seen with efforts by the White House to block Don mcgann from testifying and all of the other things I would imagine. We'd have a fight about it before we could hear from him. What about the judge in this case? Judge Sullivan is and one of those judges who everybody says has an independent streak which is a diplomatic way of saying. He's an unpredictable guy and doesn't really count out anybody is he bound to go along with the Justice Department's request. I mean this case is so far along. We're in this sort of endlessly delayed sentencing phase. But it's been it's otherwise gone through. I mean years now in his the Justice Department saying they wanNA drop the charges. Is that it or does. The judge have discretion in terms of what happens next. Actually this is the part where I think I have. The most hope on. What is a very dark day at the Department of Justice when the Justice Department moves to dismiss an indictment or information as it was in this case it must be by leave of court which means that the judge must blessed the reason for that is to prevent the prosecutors from jerking someone around by filing charges and dismissing them and filing them again. But the judge could at the very least call hearing to make the prosecutors. Come in and explain why they are dismissing the case here and I think he could very well inclined to do that. Because the reason that the Justice Department gave for dismissing us is that there was no predication to the case and that the Lilac materiality judge Sullivan himself found that this lie was material in emotion filed by Flynn's lawyer last summer seeking to dismiss the case based on an alleged violation. The judge found no violation and also found that this lie was in fact material so having already made that finding he may disagree with the reasoning behind this and call the Justice Department into explain itself on the record. Let me ask you one last last piece of this spark that I just don't understand. I mean this part of Flynn's plea agreements as far as I read this as a non lawyer. It seemed to me that he was. He was admitting to having committed other crimes And he was agreeing with his with the government that they wouldn't charge him for those things but he did have to lay out what he had done particularly not registering as a foreign agent when he was working as the national security advisor to the president elect of the United States not insignificant crime. What happens to those things that he admitted to? And this is another glimmer of hope Rachel because the counts in the information were solely related to these one thousand one violations false statements to the FBI relating to the interview that he had with the FBI about his conversations with the Russian ambassador even though he admitted it's referred to as relevant conduct the parties agree to it. They agree he won't be charged for it. But the court allowed to consider it an imposing sentence and so in terms of this dismissal with prejudice it relates only to those counts that were filed and so as long as the statute of limitations. Has IT run? A New Justice Department could refile those charges against Michael. Flynn and the statute won't run until five years. After the date. The crime was committed march of two thousand seventeen which would give the Justice Department until March of twenty two to file those charges. While and of course they'd have a sort of a leg up in bringing any such prosecution and given that he admitted to all the crimes in writing and signed his name to them which is a helpful thing if you're a prosecutor even us attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan. It's great to lay eyes on you. Barb thanks for helping US understand this today. Things have Rachel Rachel all right. We got much more here tonight. Stay with every day the New York Times ups updates. It's it's short on where. The Corona virus outbreak is worst now in the country The shows the places in the country where the new cases per capita are the worst Stuck up at the top there of that list for a while. Now is Sioux City Iowa Sioux City Iowa and geographically is is right at the point where Iowa and Nebraska and South Dakota all come together. It's an little tristate point. You might remember our coverage from a few days ago about the mayors from all of the municipalities in and around Sioux City. Getting together to put out a joint statement asking all the governors from those three states and the companies that are in meat packing plants around Sioux city. Asking all of them to please start telling the mayor's what's going on. Please start disclosing corona virus case numbers and test results from specific meat processing plants. Because the mayors of all these communities around Sioux city. We're finding that. The hospitals were filling up with corona virus patients and their case numbers counties and towns. Were going up and up and up. But they needed to know where these outbreaks were coming from. One of the places where the huge numbers in the Sioux City area appear to be coming from From this Tyson meat processing plant on the Nebraska side of the river but still right there in the Sioux City area A place called Dacuda City in Dakota County Nebraska That Tyson there is a really big one. It's forty three hundred workers and that plant in Dakota city has not been saying how those forty three hundred workers are positive but everybody could tell something was wrong there in part because they were workers have kept dying at that plant. The Dakota City plant finally closed. Tyson finally decided to close it at least temporary last temporarily last week and they did have all of the forty three hundred workers at that plant. Tested the plant still wouldn't say what the results were. Though even after the testing was completed they still won't say even now but we know at least something about what the results were there because a tipster alerted the local paper the Sioux City Journal that the number of workers tested positive. At that Dakota city. Plant was six hundred sixty nine six hundred sixty nine people who work at that one plant according to a source who shared that number with the local paper but officially the plant's not saying and officially. Who knows you know so? Good luck to the public health officials and local officials of all kinds around Dakota city and Sioux City and trying to plan for handling nor considerable outbreak. I good luck trying to plan for that. You can use these testing numbers that can be gleaned from an anonymous source to the local paper. That's how you're going to get your information. So that Dakota City Nebraska plant did close for a few days. They reopened today. God bless him. We know from tipster that nearly seven hundred people who work there already contracted the virus there. Good luck with the reopening of that place for all week long this week. I have been waiting to get some additional. Data's maybe some more official data out of Nebraska. I've been expecting it specifically enough that I've had a post it note on my desk all week that says next spike question mark With the names of these two towns in Nebraska Madison Nebraska and Schuyler Nebraska. They're both pretty small towns. Schuyler is about six thousand people. Madison's about twenty five hundred people but they both have really big meat plants. Madison has a Tyson plant. That's got about twelve hundred people that work at it. Schuyler has a cargo plant with about twenty. Two hundred people ought at the at the plant in Madison. As of last week the county said there were ninety six known cases among people who work at that plant which is a lot at the cargo plant in Schuyler. We have no idea how many cases they have the company. You won't say but there does appear to be something going on there The Omaha Road Herald reporting this week that the counties where people live People who people who work at that cargo plant where they live the the counties around it are suddenly rocketing up in their caseloads Colfax County Nebraska for example on April twenty third. They had eight cases all of a sudden as of this past weekend. They now have two hundred and twenty two cases they went from eight cases to two hundred and twenty two cases in two weeks over that same period. Platte county went from thirteen cases to a hundred and seventy nine cases in two weeks and the gigantic cargill plant where people in those counties work. Well they're not saying whether they've got any cases at all but this is starting to feel like it's not hard to figure out given that that's the major employer and given that it's a meat processing plant and given what we know is going on at meat processing plants all over that part of the country so I got this posted on my desk this week next spike and I've been checking the Nebraska News all week because both the Tyson Plant Madison Nebraska and the cargo plant in Schuyler Nebraska. They both temporarily shut down over the past few days which is a rare thing in Nebraska down with plans to reopen as soon as they could and we have been expecting all week from at least one of those two plants from Tyson plant. We've been expecting information on test results from tests of employees there while they're shut down before they reopened. Try to put their workforce back to work. This is from the Omaha World Herald this week quote. Most results expected back Wednesday or Thursday. In the meantime the plant will be deep cleaned. Whatever that means and sanitized so test results in Nebraska from these two big meat processing plants where it looks like. There's a real problem but we haven't had real numbers. Those test results expected back Wednesday or Thursday so yesterday or today. So where are those results? Nebraska's already got some of the worst outbreaks in the country. And they've been keeping most of their plants open even as they've been getting mounting outbreaks at these plants even in the face of public health officials telling the governor to please closed down some of these plants propublica great report on that today on local health officials in Grand Island Nebraska. Writing to Governor Ricketts to say we have to shut this plant in Grand Island down in the short run. At least to get a handle on what's going on. We've got a huge outbreak here. The governor refusing and saying no to those public health officials and insisting that the plant be kept open right so Nebraska has got a lot going on but this is going to be a big week right for us finally getting an understanding at least a partial understanding. What's really happening in that state? We're finally going to get some major testing results from big plants in Nebraska. Should BE IMPORTANT. Should BE INTERESTING. Results should come in yesterday or today where are they? The governor of Nebraska has apparently been waiting for those testing results to but not in the way everybody else has surprise headlines in Nebraska Today Governor Ricketts says Nebraska won't release specific in nineteen numbers at meat packing plants anymore. Governor has decided actually now that we're about to get testing results from a lot more plants than Nebraska. Actually the test results from plants like that. That's not public health information. That's business now. It's business are just wants to know. Do you think should be releasing their own numbers on the positives. Executing you Michael Star says do I think that Processing plant and release their own numbers. That really is a decision for the company to make. I think that's really a business issues in whether or not the processors. WanNa do that or not so business decision this is I mean they can or at least if they want but nobody should tell them to good luck Nebraska good luck communities in neighboring states where people who work in Nebraska come home at the end of their shift telling you Nebraska does not release any information about corona virus in any of the nursing homes in the State Nebraska has not tested a single prisoner in the entire state correction system for corona virus and therefore says they have no cases among Nebraska prisoners. What do you think the odds? Are that no prisoners. In Nebraska Corona Virus Nebraska has huge known outbreaks multiple meat processing plants across the state including some of the fast growing outbreaks in the country including outbreaks that are causing health. Crises across state borders and other states. And just as the problem is getting so bad that big plants Nebraska are having to finally shut and the testing numbers are turning out to be horrific even though they have to be leaked to the local paper for us to find out about some of the biggest outbreaks of any kind anywhere in the country are in Nebraska and just as we are getting data from them just as they are starting to testing at some of those plants. The governor has now decided. We're not going to release any more information on me. Plants none from nursing homes none from presents and none from meat plants anymore because it's business so far at least one county. Health Department in. Lincoln appears inclined to defy the governor on this and released data that they can get anyway but watch this space. Man This is dead center geographic middle of the country and it is where the huge American corona virus epidemic is growing the fastest. And that governor's plan in. That state is apparently to stop letting anyone know what's happening. This is the kind of thing you go down in the history. Books for Governor Ricketts. Really you are making history. You stick with this. You're going be famous for this long after you're gone this advice is specifically for daycares quote. Avoid the use of items. For example soft or plush toys that are not easily cleaned. Sanitized. Or disinfect. It Here's another one for places of worship quote limit. The sharing of prayer books hymnals religious texts and other bulletins encourage congregants to bring their own. This document was drafted by the CDC. It is a step by step guide. Very practical guide for how society could start to safely reopen without spreading the corona virus. This the kind of thing that the CDC excels at when there is a measles outbreak. When there's there's e-coli and the lettuce during any kind of public health problem the CDC rates up release specific instructions for communities to follow to beat back the problem to protect everybody's health when it comes to these reopening guidelines related to corona virus. The Washington Post was first report last week that the CDC was prepared to make these very granular very practical guidelines public by the end of last week but the Post reported that there were concerns within the trump administration that maybe the trump administration didn't like these guidelines they made re-opening stuff seem so hard today the Associated Press further that story and then blew it up entirely rather than debating what exactly the CDC guidelines should be for reopening the country the trump administration has apparently decided. Just toss these guidelines out because yeah it sure is easier just to tell everybody open back up you figure it out wants to deal with this pesky specific practical advice about how to actually do so safely without killing people who wants that getting in the way. Just open everything up. Who cares quote? The trump administration shelved a document created by the nation's top disease. Investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities. On how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during the still raging corona virus outbreak agency scientists have now been told that this guidance quote will never see the light of day joining us now is the reporter who broke this story Jason Deren Investigative Reporter for the AP. Mr Darren congratulations on the scoop. Thanks for helping US. Understand it. No problem for Rachel. Am I right in saying that? This is kind of what the does that. This is the type of guidance that the CDC is expert and potentially best in the world at assembling in terms of giving practical advice. About how stuff can be reopened. How things should be conducted in a way? That's safe for public health right. This is exactly what? Cdc does they're built to do so the White House had released its reopening which was kind of a vague set of bullet points. you'd last month and what the CDC guidance did The way I see it is filled in the blanks. It gave specific facilities Pity Leaders County leaders. State leaders people thinking about tyree opening mass transit Daycare Centers Z. Mentioned Schools Restaurants Bars. All the places that we all want to go and use again. It gave very specific a more granular instructions and What was even more. Interesting is a series of flow charts or decision trees. They call them which you know. Give a leader or somebody who owns a daycare center a set of steps that says if you meet criteria. Abc Move to the next step and so on and so forth through a flow of decision making so it really helps especially people on the ground level with expertise that you know. They're not gonNA find necessarily at their county health department because of your reporting even though the White House said this will never see. The Light Of Day. Should be shelved because of your reporting you you and your colleagues. Ap We're able to publish some of his guidance. I don't want to ask you about your sources. But I I do WanNa know if you could tell me if there are people within the CDC essentially mad that they're being sidelined here that this guidance in the work that they've done that is very practical and we'll be helpful to the public isn't getting out and they're trying to get locked by other means. Well what we reported is the are a couple of different sources inside? Cdc that my reporting prayer partner. Mike Stobbe and I spoke to Coo- Were you know I don't know of angry? Is The white right word but disappointed that this work that they're experts had so carefully constructed to help state partners because behind the scenes at CDC what we're hearing is states and local governments are are hungry for this information. There are lots of requests coming into the agency for for help and so this is what they do. So I'm sure there's disappointment in some anger there for sure but I think the main thing is that They they want people to get the access to the best information. They can to make decisions to keep themselves sick intern. Last question for you. Jason quickly the CDC is not giving briefings which we might otherwise expect in a public health crisis We reported on CD advice about meat packing plants and some things seeming to be sort of oddly inflicted with non. Cdc Language and other people seem to be leaning on them. Is it your sense that there is broadly speaking in that agency? A change amount of frustration. About what they're not able to do I think so The main reason you know is if you look back at previous outbreaks You know you can look back at h one n one in two thousand nine you can if you look back to even the CDC website in archive if you look back at The Fungal meningitis outbreak. In Twenty twelve or twenty thirteen or Zeka took a very active public role in all of those outbreak. Stay were communicating directly with clinicians with the public and with political leaders. They were posting All sorts of videos and in guidance on a day almost daily basis. So you can just see from looking backward at how. Cdc is has responded publicly in as a national leader during these types of crises How different it is now. Absolutely clear as day Jason Deere Investigative Reporter for the AP. Your beat right now is really really important. And it's a huge story. Thanks helping US understand it. Keep going Godspeed. All right. That's GonNa do it for US tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. 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You get ten percent off your first month by going to better help DOT COM SLASH DE L. NBC. Talk about shutters going down your spine. Crime like this doesn't happen. This was just a lightning bolt. Twos foundling face down a large amount of blood. What does this scene tell you? What do your victims tell you? You got up killer lose here. Who's specifically targeting people? Yeah this doctor's House. Somebody's after those doctors. Four people are dead because somebody's vengeance revenge. That's your motive thermo. It sent shockwaves right away. Where she goes. What's HE GONNA do? You want real life. God what the Hell do we have here? Winter on the Great Plains can be long bleak and brutal so in March when winter briefly releases its grip for a day or two. Even the trees seem to raise their limbs in celebration March thirteenth. Two thousand eight was one of those days of cautious jubilation in Omaha Nebraska sixty one degrees and a light velvety breeds. Eleven year old. Tom Hunter wore shorts and a tee shirt to school that Thursday. It was a little after three when Tom seen here on. A security camera. Got Off the bus in the leafy Dundee neighborhood and headed home to play video games as he did nearly every day. It would be hours before. Tom's father returned home but the house was not empty. Fifty seven year old Shirley Sherman who scrubbed and Polish. The hunter home on Thursdays was still there by sunset. Both Tom Hunter and Shirley Sherman would be dead murdered by killer. Who was just getting started? Who DID IT and why we're questions? That would eventually take Omaha. Detectives all over North America and would take more than five years to answer. This one stood out. Obviously because of the brutality for one detective Derek. Moyes was working three to eleven that day. The nine one one call came in from Tom. Hunters Dad Dr William Hunter. Dr Hunter had come home found Shirley Sherman and his son deceased would call nine one one thing unusual pickle. There wasn't a lot of emotion shown but he is a doctor. He has a pathologist and he's seen a lot of deadly seen a lot of death and it was I think to use the word. Clinical the detective and his partner were immediately dispatched to the hunters stately home in. Dundy part of them. It is it's It's an older neighborhood. Middled upper class homes very quiet. It's not a place where we have. A lot of. Violent crime occur in our city even now. Detective Moi still remembers the Capri set of blood. That hit him when he stepped across the threshold of the hunter home. There's a heavy metallic kind of humidity in the air of almost you feel it. It's presence and there's a lot of it and there was a lot of it at the hunter household to the left of the front door in the dining room off the main hallway. Lay the body of the boy com hunter lying on his face. His hands down at his side. There's a fair amount of blood round his head and down the hall the body of the housekeeper. Surely Sherman choose found lying face down large amount of belied underneath her stainless steel handled on kitchen. Knife protruding from the right side of her neck. Both victims had been killed in the same way and oddly enough there were no signs of struggle. No fingerprints no bloody footprints. Is this person. Careful or just very lucky. Could be both you know it. It's not like TV. Not every crime scenes going to yield fingerprints. Not every crime scene is going to yield. Dna or trace hairs or those types of things. Stolen didn't appear to be no in fact the only things out of place were the knives. The knives came from inside the house. He did unusual for a killer to show up planning to do murder and also planning to find the murder weapon at the crime scene. Not necessarily by all accounts. Dr Hunter was still in a state of shock when police took him downtown for questioning right there in the hallway between the back door so the first thing. I think I yelled out off. Do you have any idea who and why somebody would do? Sometimes honestly I've been just racking my brain peaceful. It's almost Dr William. Hunter known as Bill to friends and colleagues ran the pathology residency program at nearby Creighton University. His wife Claire also doctorate. Creighton was in Hawaii that day attending a conference. Her husband had to break the awful news to her from the police station. How's your wife crushed? She GonNa be okay. She has a workmate. So she's not. The hunters had four boys to Rome one in college and Tom. Jeff a student at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln at the time lived closest. He says it was about eight o'clock that night when he happened to check his phone calls from friends family so I said he something was up and we can get a hold of. My Dad. Couldn't get home. My mom one of my friends called me and he told me to call my brother. Was your older brother. Yeah what did he say it happened? Just somebody killed. Tom And I need to go find. My Dad talked to my dad. Get a long drive. It's like forty five minutes. Those miles between Lincoln and Omaha seemed longer than usual that night. It's hard for Jeff to remember exactly what happened when he got home. Who told him what or when that whole thing is a blur. I didn't sleep at all that night. You you're constantly trying to figure out what's going on. You lived in that same house which is all happened right yes whole life now Jeff. Mind was filled with thoughts of what had happened there and of his brother. Tom Who was eight years younger his counter. Smart out he has grown up with three other brothers. He is a smart kid he knew a lot and he just. I mean he always had something to say for everything. What was he doing life? Then he went to science magnet middle school elementary combined with the Middle School. And he really like Sci. He's always outside plan so that was his big thing Gamer wasn't he? He was but more times than not he'd be outside with neighborhood kids but it wasn't the neighborhood kids that fascinated the COPs com had a lot of friends. He'd never actually met in real life. They were people he knew. From the anonymous world of online gaming. It was those relationships that detectives wanted to know more about the investigation begins. Does he play around on chat rooms or anything like that might be nervous about curious conversations online? He interacted with people all over the US. A mysterious stranger and another murder. Where would this winding trail of clues lead crime like this doesn't happen in Dundee? It sent shockwaves right away. The Hunter House was dearly still when detectives arrived the only sound music from a video game in the basement which seemed to add a haunting soundtrack to the violent and disturbing scene. It had appeared that Thomas was in process of playing online game on his xbox could see pop and chips in front of a chair right front of the TV. Probably like a lot of kids after school every day and the game itself had timed out with the music was playing kind of ominously in the background during Bill Hunters interview with police investigators. They got straight to the point. Does he play around on chat rooms or anything like that that you might be service. Vital I don't know he's on his the only chat room. No He's on is why they'll Ville it. Turns out is a popular online game and chat room. That attracts preteens not wasn't all Tom's xbox which allowed him to play and speak to other gamers online was a concern detectors. Wondered if Tom might have inadvertently come into contact with an Internet Predator. We knew that he had a number of contacts and friends online through not only his xbox but his personal computer so those people are essentially in many cases anonymous to some extent. Yeah they are so they might be kids. They might just be saying their kids correct. And that's what we would come to find out that he interacted with people all over the US in some cases outside of the US through these interactive sites. Did you or anybody in your family ever worried that Tommy was meeting people online or just talking to people online through the gaming community people. Maybe you didn't know about that. Didn't really come up till after the fact restarted thinking. Maybe that was something that could happen. But prior to know and you didn't know those war and he didn't either. No detectives determined. Tom Hotter had interacted with close to fifty people online on a regular basis. Thomas was eleven years old that he disclosed that in his gaming activities. Now in fact in some instances We would come to find out that he portrayed himself as somebody. Who's older which in turn could end up playing into this absolutely it would take months to track down. Tom's online contacts more pressing was what detectives were hearing from. The neighbors. Several said they'd seen a stranger walking near the hunter home late. That afternoon told me what the person neighbors described all of complected male. Who was heavy set dressed in a collared shirt? Some describe a jacket possibly like an ill fitting suit with a shoulder bag and several people would correlate that individual to a silver Honda CR V. notify the actual make of car. Yes that all seems pretty helpful. Very the same individuals would describe that that vehicle was missing front play but they would describe the rear plate as kind of a white background with dark lettering and kind of describe a multiple colored sunset or kind of a Pastel sunset so it's not Nebraska play out of state. What are our feeling was yes. Based on neighbors. Descriptions police produced sketch and four days after the murders. Ask the public for help. We received hundreds of phone calls about people. Knowing somebody that resembled that sketch and each one of those leads had to be given some degree of consideration. Reporter Todd Cooper covered the story for the Omaha World Herald. Dundee is a nice neighborhood and Oma. That's an affluent area Doctors and others not mansions but stately homes crime like this doesn't happen in Dundee and so it sent shockwaves right away. More depth about the computer use while the murders in done deed dominated the news. Investigators were taking a second look at a less publicized. Crime months earlier there had been another murder not far from Dundee in this one an elderly female had been bludgeoned and stabbed in the neck. We had knives that were used from her residence in her murder so we had similarities in that weapons were taken from her home in used against her and left the scene. But you have somebody who liked that. The detectives at investigated that case that identify a suspect very early on somebody who has a family member of hers whom she had had a falling out with. Didn't seem to have any connection with honors none whatsoever. There comes a time in every homicide investigation. Were detectives have to focus on the victim's family and friends as far as detectives knew the hunters were a well respected family. And then come out about the hundreds that you didn't know gambling problems family problems now. There wasn't some gigantic ghost in the closet. That made us think. Oh well there is our motive right there. Nothing like down since bill and Claire. Hundred were both doctors at Creighton. He pathologist Shia cardiologists. Detectives wondered if someone at the hospital might have had a motive to harm them having hated. H- all right on our own Eugene. Not everyone handles grief differently. After their youngest son was murdered in their home the hunters seem to want nothing more than to be left alone but kind of a private family so not too keen on talking with media on the other hand the family of Surely Sherman the other Dundee victim desperately wanted to keep the case in the public. We want velocity. You really wanted us to be solved. Halio they have their own ideas about who the killer might be the more they talked. The more detectives wondered if perhaps Surely Sherman and actually been the intended target a secret in the Sherman family. She hated because of what he had been doing to me. The new person of interest immediately. There's a buzz. Could it be like credit? Have been him as a building contractor. Brad Wait spends a lot of time in his truck. He's haunted by the possibility that at the very moment his sister Shirley Sherman was being murdered in March. Two Thousand Eight. He was driving by close enough. Perhaps to have heard her scream. I basically almost drove by hunters. House would've been four o'clock that afternoon. I had no idea Shirley was working there that day. March there later that night brand says he heard about the two murders in Dundee on the ten o'clock news even then. He says he didn't know his sister was a victim. That news came later in a phone call from his brother. Dan Danny Call. Let thirty that night and told me what happened. Then Wade says that from that night on the word housekeeper has been used as shorthand for surely as if her job to find her. They're always calling her the housekeeper and it's she was only there for a couple of hours every couple of weeks or a week to her brothers. Dan and Brand Shirley was big SIS. The family glue after their parents divorced when they were young. She was the one that organized everything she would call you before. Somebody's birthday and say you know it's someone's birthday Thursday or or she would get everybody to go in on gifts and our she would help the shopping and that aspect of it is. You just don't realize it until it's gone for sure. Children Kelly and Jeff. She was the single mom who often worked two jobs and stretched every dollar to make ends meet. We were one of the poorest families in the neighborhood Bartending in the evening cleaned houses during the day. Gardening was her specialty. You grow everything. Eggplant tomatoes of five different varieties. Feeding me was probably expensive. So she'd make her own spaghetti sauce. She she kanner on. Cucumbers made pickles out of them. After a lifetime of hard work in her hands and knees Jevon Kelly say their mom had cut back the hunters were among the few clients. She had left so she wanted to clean. Just a couple houses ever allow her to pick up the grandkids from school in the afternoons and spend time with them spending time with the grandkids. It turns out was relatively easy to do the right next door to me every day. Talk me into buying this house. She could see. Her grandchildren. Situation was convenient but Kelly says it was hard to have any privacy who mother knew everything bouquet went and who stayed the night and now the plot thickens. I was dating a married guy. Let me guess. Your mom didn't approve. No not at all. We had an explosive relationship meaning. Meaning things got broke. Kelly says that relationship became so tempestuous so difficult that surely got involved and actively tried to keep the boyfriend away at one point in time. She was thinking about getting a restraining order. I mainly for my daughter Sake. She would tell me not. He can't come over and I would come in one time. She can walk around my house with the hammer in her hand. Saying I want his blood on Amer. She hated him that bad because of what he'd been doing to me in spite of that Kelly stuck with the man got pregnant and had a baby with it. They got uglier from there. She actually started the process of getting my house out of my name so that she could keep him out of the house right after surely died would have been very private and embarrassing family feud became fodder for public speculation. Todd Cooper the reporter says that starting on Day One. Shelly's boyfriend was a person of interest immediately. The name of the boyfriend of Shirley Sherman's Daughter came up. There's a buzz. Could it be him like could it have been in? His name. Came up again and again a doctor. Under the microscope he had had some trouble during his time at Creighton University. He was just a little bit more boisterous by late spring. Two thousand eight two months after the murders in Dundee detectives had powered through and eliminated nearly all of their early leads in that case. The boyfriend of Shirley's daughter. The man who looked like such a good suspect on paper seem to have a solid alibi. According to timesheets he was working at the time of the murders fairly cooperative. And I think we're comfortable putting him aside and we didn't have anything that would lead us to believe that he would know where she was that day and that he was in that area on the date that those crimes occurred the composite sketch generated leads and exactly zero suspects. There wasn't anything that you could correlate to actual perpetrator or the crime scene. That day as for Tom Hunters Online gaming contacts detectives deciphered the IP addresses and anonymous screen names and tracked down those people and as far as you knew he'd never met any of those people in real life correct turns out. None of those online contacts was anywhere near Omaha on the day of the murders. Detectives were making progress but reporter. Todd Cooper says the nervous citizens of Omaha had no way of knowing that all good police departments are pretty good at keeping that information close to the vest. We just kept waiting in waiting. That question was foremost on. Everybody's mind who could have done this. Detective return to the theory that either Dr Bill Hunter or his wife Dr Clare. Hunter might have been the intended victim between the two of them. They figured bill hunters position at Creighton. Made him the more likely target. He's basically oversaw. All the students that were going through this pathology training program at Creighton University. And if there was disciplinary action to take he would be the individual among others. You know to have a direct impact on those students wise so potentially a lot of suspects. They're potentially yes so. The detective went to the Pathology Department at Creighton and started asking questions. Were there any individuals interacting with these folks? At the time this occurred that you believe could be responsible for whatever reason? If there's a potential motive what do you think it might be? The detective says one name kept coming up. Dr Michael Belenky. How many times you hear the name Michael Bowling? You can't give you an accurate answers. How many but his name came up again and again Dr Belenky was a former resident. Who left the pathology program and threatened to sue Creighton a year before the murders Dr Honors home. He had had some trouble during his time at Creighton University but they weren't unlike other people's troubles but he was just a little bit more boisterous about his. I guess his perceive treatment by Creighton University in some of the staff there. Blinky told detectives he'd been working in Pittsburgh on the day of the Dundee murders Pittsburgh's like nine hundred miles from Omaha. Sorry you're not driving that in a correct presumably. You're not doing that without air. Travel right and air travel something you can check right but we knew he was on the schedule. I believe we knew he had logged into his email account at that facility that day but nobody actually saw him at work right. There is nothing to show. He was anywhere other than there which is not an ironclad alibi. But it's not bad. It's not bad men. Sometimes that's just the reality of our work that seemed to be the end of the line doctor. Blinky had been the investigators last best lead unwilling to see the case go coal surely. Sherman's family pooled their money and offered a there are a number contribution. I think people contributing as well which made it. How big is fifty fifty and all counting? Everybody's contribution we actually wanted one hundred thousand but they wouldn't allow that because they thought it would be about which it was my opinion when the reward failed to produce a break in the case. They hired a private investigator. Part of the motivation to do on. That was we're GONNA send a signal we're not gonNa let it co- case you saw it becoming a cold case. Well we felt it was becoming that way in the end the private I found nothing. Detectives hadn't already studied and discounted a year after the murders in the case went cold and most of the detectives moved on to other things. But for the families of Shirley Sherman and Tom Hunter. There could be no moving off. How'd you see your Dad Change? And it wasn't like he was depressed all the time and he was himself. Just there is obviously something kind of like you can always see behind. Someone's is that there's something there and I think we all had that five dreadful. Anniversaries came and went the dead were still inexplicably dead and the case was still unsolved but through it all the detective says he stayed in touch with the hundred Sherman families. You kind of hear their frustrations when they call and they want updates and they want to be kind of kept in the loop but is investigators you kinda. You can't give them what they're looking for answers from you that you can't give them for you guys to because. I'm sure you WANNA keep working on this. Meanwhile your boss is saying here's another case and another one and another one and that's why it went to the cold case unit and that's how it stayed until. May of two thousand thirteen. The breakthrough moment came in brutal for yet another double homicide in Omaha for detectives who'd been at the hunter home five years earlier. This one felt uncomfortable. Familiar was like oh my gosh this is this could very easily be related to the Dundee homicides. This was just a lightning bolt had the elusive dundee. Killer struck again. This is the same guy is this is the same perpetrator. Yes the piano. Movers were suspicious. Their work orders said they were supposed to make a pickup at this house in West Omaha on Tuesday morning may fourteenth two thousand thirteen but no one was home but when they went to the front door They observed at the front security door was open slightly and one of the movers noted Stainless Steel Handgun magazine lying in the doorway and they felt that was so some concern since they weren't getting any answer from residents to contact nine one one when detective boys and his partner stepped inside. They found the body of an older man on the floor. The victim had multiple gunshot wounds and a deep stab wound to the right side of his neck off to the left. You could see the female victim lying in the living room a large area of blood. It was very clear that there had been a struggle there from all of the blood that was apparent and where it was located on the walls and so forth her arms and hands were covered with defensive wounds and there was a deep gash on the right side of her neck beside her late. Two kitchen knives for Derek Moist his partner. It was a jolt of electricity and a big hit of Deja Vu. We're like this is something here we have. You know would seem connection. This is the same guy. This is the same perpetrator yes? That's a pretty big moment. It was very just as before nothing was stolen and the killer left no fingerprints or bloody footprints behind but these victims had obviously put up a fight. The additional gun parts found near the front door and the nine millimeter gun clip with nine bullets. Remaining seemed to be proof of that. What do you make of the gun? Parts in the doorway. What it told me was that there had been a struggle for that gun. Why would that magazine be objected from the gun? That shouldn't happen in the course of normal firing a handgun. But it makes sense if you're struggling over that gun. This is not a faulty got. This is a fight over two so it was a violent struggle of violent encounter. The victims looked as if they'd been dead for a day or two detectives still didn't know who they were but as they stepped outside headquarters called. One of our sergeants is doing research on who the homeowners to that location where she had identified Roger Brownback Dr Creighton University and was employed within the pathology department. So now we have a second victim from the same office in the same specific pathology training program that we had in the two thousand eight days. The Brumberg would have been a colleague of Dr Hunter. Yes no question known. Each other no question. It had been more than five years since the killings in Dundee but the CREIGHTON connection was lost on no one least of all the families of the two thousand eight victims. Surely Sherman and Tom Hunter. We saw it on the news. People say you know that was. Dr Raj Raj. Brownback was headed. The pathology department creating universal. Whoa recognized that name right away. And the fact that was another pathologist from creighton killed with the knife automatically assumed it was related. Roger Bromberg wasn't any pathologist. He was head of the Department he and Mary. Brownback were both sixty five in researching their final hours reporter. Todd Cooper learned. The couple had last been heard from at about two PM on Mother's Day. One of the first things we found out about was the facetime conversation between both boombox and their daughter and they were roaring with laughter at one point so much that the daughter took a screen shot of the conversation. That's the kind of stuff that humanizes this that makes it. You realize that this was just a lightning bolt in the middle of an otherwise normal. Mother's Day Carol. Brumbach Roger Sister also spoke with her brother that afternoon then two days later a family member broke the awful news. Well he said Roger. Mary were murdered. And I said I I. So when you talk about me. So they were. Murdered will gruesome Euroland. And now I had no idea. I have no idea what had happened. Carol couldn't imagine who might want to kill her brother although well off. She says he and Mary had lived modestly so tell me about his marriage to Mary. I just kind of knew that that was a match made in heaven. They're absolutely happy. I mean married. Just she did everything. She did a lot of editing for lottery. Rogers publications shortly before the murders. Roger had announced that he'd be retiring in June he and Mary plan to move back east. In fact that's why the piano movers had come to the House that morning. Now a town known for its steaks and insurance companies was once again buzzing with talk over murder and there was absolutely no doubt at that point who is being targeted. It was chilling just sinking. Feeling of man is struck again. A new an old suspect. She called her office and said are you guys going to need to talk to me again. In the new target we have to crimes and potentially there would've been another was another doctor in the crosshairs. Sometimes detective work is a lot like shooting pool. Play all the angles make the easy ones first and save the money ball. For last. In the keys of the Omaha killings the basic facts stood out like bright balls on a billiard. Take two double homicides. Five years apart. Both in the homes of high-ranking doctors in Creighton University's Pathology Department each victim stabbed through the carotid artery with medical precision. The next question. Well that seemed about as obvious as the ten ball in the side pocket the last best potential suspect in the two thousand eight murders was now top of mind for the two thousand thirteen case. Dr Michael Blankie but get this before. Detectives could get around to looking up. Something truly astonishing happened after the Brownback murders. He called her office because he had heard about the murders. And Said are you guys. GonNa need to talk to me again because you. I don't remember exactly what was said but he made comments. He was glad Dr Brownback was was dead. I'm glad he's dead. He made a comment to that effect. Yes almost sounds like somebody's boasting about this. It could be yeah and again. The same detectives turned right back around and started going through the same process. Let's find out where Doctor Blinky was on mother's Day two thousand thirteen turns out that your Belenky was living in the northwest dividing his time between Vancouver and Washington state at the time of the Brownback murders when detectives reinterviewed him. They wondered if they were missing. Something could their primary person of interest have somehow slipped in an out of all. Maha undetected any indication that he was in Oman. None none for his part. Valenki told the cops he had nothing to do with the Omaha killings. In fact he denies ever saying he was glad. Dr Brownback was dead in the end. Detectives had to scratch Dr Blink off their list back to the drawing board. If the suspect wasn't Michael Belenky detectives figured it had to be someone else with Creighton connections. We knew that we had to look at everybody. In the pathology department all of the staff everybody there that means there are what maybe a thousand couple thousand persons of interest all going in different directions. Yeah four days after the Brownback murders this investigation got one more jolt. Another pathology professor from Creighton reported at around two nine thousand nine. Pm on Mother's Day someone had tried to force their way into her house. Setting off the burglar alarm. Fortunately Dr Chanda beautiful and her husband were out for mother's Day lunch at the time it made that theory of ours even stronger that now we have two crimes and potentially there would have been another. Had they been home? This is what Dr Batra told. Nbc Affiliate W. O. W. T. TV average on. I think have come a week after the brownback murders Omaha police chief. Todd Schneider named a special task force dedicated to solving all four murders. I understand the fear uneasiness in our community right now. I could feel it this morning when I spoke to employees Creighton University and Legion Health Creighton. Hospital cleese no. This law enforcement is doing everything in our power to solve these crimes. That Task Force consisted of homicide detectives agents with the FBI from our local Omaha Office assigned investigators at the Nebraska State patrol. So this is a full court press yes so investigators once again dove into the CREIGHTON personnel files looking for someone else who might have harbored a grudge against doctors. Hunter Brownback and beauty. Tra- you'd already been down this road before and you look back. What a couple of years. Yeah now what was different as we were going to go back and pull the records from. I believe we started in two thousand to two thousand and thirteen. How many of you were sitting there reading files? There were twenty one of US assigned to the Task Force and I think at some juncture almost all of the detectives would get assigned files from Creighton in those personnel files. Were SEVERAL NAMES. That look promising. Those who were nowhere near Omaha on Mother's Day were eliminated but a couple of weeks after the Brownback killings protective voice says his boss handed him a three ring. Binder from two thousand one this one was thicker than the rest and what I took away after reading that file from front to back. Was that in my mind. There is enough information contained in that file that it made a very real possibility that there was a motive to want to harm Dr Hunter. Dr Brownback or Dr Batra by that individual a new name and new fears were more CREIGHTON colleagues in jeopardy. You felt some urgency twin knew that he was a very real danger he had purchased another handgun. As much as I love getting my hair done. 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University's Pathology Department had apparently been targeted for murder in two thousand eight. The victims were Dr William Hunters. Eleven year old son Tom and his house cleaner surely Sherman. The latest victims were Dr Roger Brownback and his wife Mary and two Nineteen PM on the day. The brumbies were last known to be alive. Someone had tried to break into the home of a third creighton pathologist Dr Chanda Butuan and of course because of her position again or right back to Creighton University and specifically right back to the training program. We believe that that incident as well could be related. Somebody's going to war against the KRITON. Pathology Department would appear that way. Detective Derek Moist and his team had searched CRAYTON's personnel files will four after the murders in the hunter on. They'd found a fascinating person of interest. Dr Michael Blankie. But he had an alibi and it seemed the. Creighton connection was a dead end now. They looked again and this time they went further back in time and the second time around. From deep in the files of CREIGHTON's pathology department a new name emerged from back in two thousand one Dr Anthony Garcia he'd been a resident in the CREIGHTON pathology program ranked and was dismissed terminated because of unprofessional conduct toward another resident. Dr Brumbach Hunter. Beurre any of them involved in that all of them but his termination letter was signed specifically by Dr Hunter and Dr Brownback before arriving at Creighton it seemed Anthony. Garcia had been well on his way to achieving the American dream from a working class background in southern California. He'd finished medical school and embarked on what should have been a long and lucrative career but then for some reason his life began to be lit in large measure by the bridges burned along the way he'd been dismissed from other residency programs fired from some jobs and several states had denied him a medical license. It would appear that every time that Dr Garcia would apply for place of employment or licensure as a physician in another state Creighton University. Get notification of that because they would get a request to verify doctor. Garcia's time that he had spent their and Creighton would respond usually Dr Comeback or Dr Hotter. Yeah he was here. He was dismissed. He didn't do a good job right. And so that kept coming back to haunt Dr Garcia experience at Creighton. How many times that happened. I want to say at least seven or eight different times. The Moi's professional failure and the need for revenge could be a powerful motive. Now the detective needed to know if Garcia had the means to commit murder he knew Garcia. Now lived in Indiana. So the detective called the Indiana State Police. So in the Indiana state police came back that day and said we have records Dr Garcia purchasing specifically a Smith and Wesson St nine nine millimeter shortly before the Brownback murders. Well obviously that's very significant to us. The magazine you founded the brunt back home would fit a Smith and Wesson Sti. Yeah now he needed to know whether Anthony Garcia was in Omaha on Mother's Day. Two thousand thirteen with little to go on the detective decided to follow the money. I wanted to find out where he had active credit cards and or banking checking account and once again. The detective found an answer. A credit card issued to Anthony Garcia had been used twice in the Omaha area on Mother's Day. Two thousand thirteen. The first charge was at around twelve thirty PM at Casey's general store just outside Omaha. This is store video of Garcia. Buying Beer. The second was two hours later at a chicken. Join in West Omaha. Called who wingstop wingstop is about a mile from Dr Batra Zone. House able to get a receipt for that that showed it at two twenty six. Will I knew that Dr Beatriz alarm on her house had gone off at two nineteen and that was about a mile away from the restaurant. So you're thinking is he tries to get into the house he can't do it. Correct he leaves. Maybe knowing you set off the burglar alarm drives about a mile to this wing restaurant and he makes a purchase and we would come to find out that while he was sitting at that location he was searching for where. Dr Brownback reciting based on those factors. Investigators became convinced. Anthony Garcia. Was there man. You felt some urgency to arrest Dr Garcia quickly. Because we knew that he was a very real danger to anybody that he could have. Perceived had wronged him on some level and we also had learned through the search warrants by the Indiana state police shortly after he returned to Tara after the Brownback homicides that he had purchased another firearm another handgun in July. Two thousand thirteen. Investigators were ready to make their move. One Team of detectives sent to Indiana to arrest Anthony Garcia another flew to California to simultaneously. Search his parents. Oh it was all supposed to be a coordinated operation but on the morning of the plan to arrest the Indiana team suddenly discover their suspect had put them behind the eight ball. Man-hut they're going one hundred miles an hour. A doctor on the run would the man who eluded investigators for five years slip away again two months after Dr Roger Brownback and his wife. Mary were murdered in their Home Omaha. Detectives flew to Indiana ready to make an arrest. Their target was a former CREIGHTON. Med School Resident Dr Anthony Garcia. The detectives had arranged to have a SWAT team and forensic technicians on hand in Terre Haute. When they made the arrest Kersey is home but once their plane landed. That plan changed after we landed in Indianapolis on Sunday afternoon and turn their phones back on. We would observe that all of a sudden. Dr Garcia Cell Phone is no longer and Tara hope and he was mobile and he was traveling South Through Illinois. Which gave us obviously some concern. Because you thought he was headed where we didn't know exactly what was possible that he would return the next day so we kind of put our plans on hold hoping that he would return to his residence and we would affect does arrest at his residence fortunately to FBI agents who've been working with the Task Force were closer Illinois. They eventually found Garcia at a hotel off the interstate. Our hope was that in the morning he would get up and go home and we could grab there but that morning of course When the FBI agent Scott out he again was on the move and headed south. They missed him. They missed him and now he's truly in the wind. Yes reporter Todd Cooper would later learn that for three hours. All agents had to go on. Were Pink every thirty minutes from Garcia cellphone? They're going one hundred miles an hour. The Next Ping comes in a half hour later. And He's behind so now will you turn and we speed back. And they're scanning the southbound lanes and they finally find him tucked in behind a semi. And you know the wave of relief. That must've come over them with the help of Illinois State Troopers Garcia was finally pulled over although it was only eight thirty am. He had a blood alcohol level twice the legal limit. The trooper said that has breath smelled of booze and then when he went to had to relieve himself. That that smell booze as well. Garcia was arrested on the spot for driving under the influence from his car. Police recovered a cell phone. A forty five caliber pistol fifty bullets a crowbar and a sledge hammer. He told COPS later on a road trip. Nora New Orleans but had no luggage and then the most challenging thing to me was in that back seat was an Lsu lab coat and a stethoscope investigators knew Garcia had been fired from lsu shreveport in two thousand eight. Was He on his way to confront doctors. They're only Anthony Garcia knows. He clammed up on Omaha. Detectives tried to talk with him. We introduced ourselves as detectives from the Omaha Police Department and that we were investigating homicides in our jurisdiction and Mr Garcia immediately asked for an attorney. That's it that's it. I mean at that point as an investigator. I can't continue questioning later that afternoon. Omaha police chief. Todd smarter steps before the cameras to the victim making the announcement that his city had been desperately waiting to hear arrested. This morning was Dr Anthony. Joseph Garcia for four counts of first degree murder and use of a weapon to commit the murders for the families of Roger and Mary. Brownback of Tom Hunter. And of Surely Sherman. The arrest was very welcome news. I'm at Walmart with my kids and Danny calls me and they made an arrest in the case and I think I forgot about twenty thirty items on my grocery shopping list because I was real happy and just had one of the carton rushed out of the grocery store and wanted to go home and watch the news with Anthony. Garcia's arrest Jeff. Hunter says he and his parents felt as if they could finally stop looking over their shoulders. I mean for five years. They're super paranoid. 'cause I mean for all we knew for all I always thought about. Was someone still trying to find my dad? Because that's that was always my hunch that someone was after either my mom or dad. Investigators dispatched to Anthony. Garcia's home in Tara. Indiana saw the outward sign posts of success. The house sat on a quiet street with a Ferrari in the drive but inside the house was practically empty bear rooms bear closets and barely any food in the living room. Detectives found a table stacked with financial documents mortgage information and insurance policies. Anthony Garcia was broke. His home facing foreclosure lit appeared to us that he had made some deliberate attempt to kind of lay things out so people could get his affairs in order. And we see those things homicide investigators when you investigate suicides so wherever he was headed when you arrested him maybe that was going to be his last journey anywhere. Those are thought that that was going to be as N. Game in addition to the documents taken from Garcia's home investigators had to go through all the data collected from his electronic devices. Cell phones tablets. Computers it is. I cloud account. You could see from his financial records that he was regularly going to alcohol stores that he was spending a lot of time at gentlemen's clubs in or around tear. Hoedt he was not working regularly so it looked to us. Collectively like his life was was falling apart. Hardly what Garcia's parents had envisioned for their son when he was growing up in southern California. Anthony Garcia's father. Fred worked for the postal service. His mother Stella a nurse had been born in Mexico. It was a proud moment. They told reporters when in nineteen ninety nine. The eldest of their three children graduated from medical school. There's a great poignant moment where Frederick Garcia and Anthony pile his belongings literally has an Radley Old van and drive across the country from California to upper state New York to start his medical career. How proud he must have been at that moment. A what started as the American dream was turning into something unthinkable if convicted of murdering four people Dr Anthony Garcia now forty years old face the death penalty who alleged motive. Revenge forgetting bad job recommendations with my wife got a murder case. We've got to get up and find a center for the kids husband and wife Defense Team Big City lawyers with a few big surprises. There were so many other people with means motive and opportunity. That could have committed this crime as the father of four Bob. Mata appreciates a placid night of slumber. But on Tuesday July sixteenth. Two thousand thirteen. You will up at four am unable to sleep. The Chicago Area Criminal Attorney checked his office voicemail. That's when he saw that someone from California who'd left him a message guy starts out well. Brother got arrested done southern Illinois for Dui. I'm like Dui down there for Dui within the next minute he says but it sounds like with the actually arresting fours murder so then obviously my interest was piqued. It was a stroke of luck. Anthony Garcia's family had been cold calling lawyers looking for someone to defend. Anthony Bob. Montana was the first call back. It was two. Am California time when he got Anthony. Garcia's brother on the fall thirty minutes later Bob. Motta was retained handle his first murder case. I go upstairs awake my wife. Who's my law partner? Allison Mata got a murder case. We've got to get up and go to Jackson County. You got to find a sitter for the kids. When Anthony Garcia's extradition hearing came up the next day the Matas. Mr and Mrs were seated at the defense table your manningly consenting to the authorities from Nebraska to take you back to that state to deal with these charter you understand that. I'm not going to answer any questions. Regards to his State of mind at this point. The modest brought in Bob's father Robert Motta senior as co counsel is back in the the senior. Mata represented a clown turned serial killer named John Wayne guilty. I'd never tried a case with my dad. And he's towards the end of his career. He'd always said to me if you get a juicy murder that give me a call. I'll try with you and I call them half expecting him to be like. Nah I'm too old. I don't want to do it. And he was on board immediately so this ended up being that case that was the case. Right Anthony Garcia insisted. He was innocent but the modest were concerned that extensive press coverage of the murders was giving potential jurors. Only one side of the story. They needed to hear that there were so many other people with means motive and opportunity. That could have committed this crime. That makes much more sense than somebody waiting. Thirteen years to murder somebody that they knew for a very short period of time in pretrial hearings. The modest battled with prosecutors as if they were rival. Mma fighters. Todd Cooper remembers being in the judge's Chambers one day when Bob Modest started shouting at prosecutors there was a hearing where the Matas appeared by telephone. He was shouting screaming. The judge started pounding on the handset. Yelling shut up. Shut up into the into the microphone. I mean that. That's a pretrial hearing we were seen as the Chicago lawyers who came in stormed and our laws. You know. They didn't like us at all. Might it be easier to just list the people in Omaha that you did not offend the feelings when it comes to a death penalty case. Just don't come into play at all. I mean any lawyer that says they're worried about hurting people's feelings when another human being's life is at stake again as you probably get on the business. In the beginning the modern say Anthony Garcia was actively involved in his own defense. They say that changed over. Time as court delays stretched his time in pretrial isolation from months to years lost a lot of weight. And Bob. Mono- says his client's mental health deteriorated the fact that he was in solitary confinement for three years twenty three hours a day. You know mentally no one can withstand that prosecutors who were also concerned about Garcia's mental state asked the judge to order a lengthy psychiatric evaluation in the end Garcia was found competent to stand trial and a date was set for April. Two Thousand Sixteen then. This story took a most unexpected turn Thursday or Friday before that Monday started jury selection Alison Bodice says to US and two local. Tv STATIONS WE HAVE DNA tests. That proved that our guy was not at the hunter. Sherman's seen Allison Mada spook with W. O. W. T. TV via skype and their DNA. Evidence establishes undeniably unmistakably without doubt those murders. Were COMMITTED BY TWO PEOPLE. Not The claim was based on what the Matas believed to be a potential match between some unidentified DNA found on Shirley Sherman's Bandanna and some DNA taken from a suspect in another case. They're taking a liles from DNA. Bits and pieces and coming up with a theory that never made it to trial but she throws it out there on. The eve of trump and prosecutors are incensed and it really chap the judge. The judge took it as a clear attempt to send information to potential jurors that the state's case was suspect as a result. The trial was postponed again and the judge effectively kicked Alison. Mata off the case. The judge denies her application to practice in the state of Nebraska. Very controversial move. It was just I spoke to the public and that put information that could have you know. Been information to potential jurors and that violated the pretrial publicity rule. The matas wanted to fight allison's removal but what their client? Anthony Garcia apparently wanted was trial when the Matas appealed over his objection. Anthony Garcia completely stopped talking with his own lawyers. It deteriorated mentally coming into the trial to extent where he really hadn't. I mean he didn't say one word to us. This guy's mental state at that point was just dawn. It was September two thousand sixteen eight years after the first of four Omaha Calix when Dr Anthony Garcia finally got his day in court on hand to see it where the victims families who waited the longest arm. Anything is needed to determine for myself if he did it. The trial begins with a lucky break. All of a sudden you get handed the murder weapon. That was again and a bombshell witness a former stripper with a revealing story. Chew said I only date bad boys and he said well. I'M A bad boy. Two years after the murders of Thomas Hunter Surely Sherman and Roger and Mary Brownback. Anthony Garcia finally faced a jury there to witness it all friends and family of the victims commas hunters. Mom Clare Hunter who've been staying out of the public eye and surely Sherman's brother Dan rea two of the first people outside the courtroom. It's been here. That's been going on for a long time. A lot of this stuff sadler. Douglas County Attorney's Don Klein and Brenda. Beal had been prepping. This case for more than three years. You prosecuted for all former yes? Did you ever think about? Maybe we should just take the last two. That's easier sure that that was a discussion that we had many times but the evidence I think would still come in especially with two eight case so it seemed like the most logical thing was. We're going to let them together. Their theory was whoever killed. The boombox also killed Thomas Hunter and Shirley Sherman prosecutors summed up their case in a word revenge and they pointed to something they found on. Garcia's tablet one of the searches was just an interesting quote that had the word revenge in it so We were interested to know where that came from. And it's easy to find when you google. It was a quote similar to one in Shakespeare's. Play the merchant of Venice. If you harm me shall I not revenge load off of the merchant of Venice comes open a murder trial never before in my career? Motive thumbs up the case. That's our motive. Yeah the argued Garcia killed because he was angry about his termination from creighton and that it prevented him from being accepted into other programs to which he later applied as he continues to try and have some sort of a career at every time he tried to get into a different program or get licensed somewhere is creighton thing pops up and prosecutors said items found in Garcia's indicated. He was trying to destroy traces of his troubled past. Here's this trash bag sitting in the sink the chemical odor emanating from that. And it's all these papers in there in these papers after they're dried out is the termination letter from Dr Brownback. Dr Hunter Handwritten notes. And there's something about putting your fingers tape on your fingers park. Your car somewhere else. Walked to the location by common shoes. I common shoes sort of a list. That a killer would make yes it is. Prosecutors said the two sets of murders five years apart correlated with Garcia's career struggles. The first in two thousand eight came two weeks after he was fired by lsu Shreveport the second in two thousand thirteen followed another round of unemployment and financial troubles. He's trying to get jobs at temporary agencies. He's having financial issues. His home is going to foreclosure book. The argued that Garcia's original target on mother's Day two thirteen was Dr John Debut Tra a professor at Creighton who'd written him bad evaluations. She was somebody that he really thought was too hard on him was the cause of his termination to begin with. And you really had some animosity towards her two days before the attempted break-in prosecutors said Anthony Garcia used his phone to look up Dr Beauty Address analysis of a scant bit of DNA evidence taken from doorknob at the beautiful showed. There was a significant chance. That either Garcia or a male relative of his had tried to break in when that doesn't work because they're not home he then goes to wingstop right up the road and goes to plan B. where he searches brother. Brian Bex address. This receipt shows his location at wingstop at around two twenty six. Pm To fifty seven. They said Garcia used his cell phone to look up Dr Bags Home Address as for the gun. Used in the Brownback killings. Prosecutors argued the gun parts found at the brunt bat house fit a gun later found alongside a highway about twenty miles from Garcia's that gun was missing a crucial component. The barrel meaning a test bullet couldn't be fired. However what was left was licensed to Anthony Garcia. All of a sudden you get handed the murder weapon right now. That was a gift. I think it was divine intervention. Yeah the two thousand eight D. case however had no physical evidence what it did have was eyewitnesses several described seeing a silver Honda CR v with an out of state plate. This is a picture of the car. Anthony Garcia owned in two thousand eight when he was living in Louisiana. It's a Honda CR V. The thing that was noticeable was silver The people notice it as a type of SUV or CRV and they mentioned out of state out of state plates right. There was also that description of the man. People saw the hunter home that day. An olive skinned man wearing a baggy suit and they were all seeing the same person the same vehicle and the location. You're convinced that's not somebody who's lost and eventually finds their way out of that it fits and that's that's the person that did this crime and it and it fits. Anthony Garcia also tying it all together. Prosecutors called a bombshell witness a former stripper named Cecilienhof Hoffman told the jury that four years after the Dundee Murders Garcia made a shocking confession to her. She told the cops about it in this audio recording that he along time ago that I killed young boy an old woman and I said why I said why would you tell him. And he said they had it coming of all the pieces that we didn't have in two thousand eight case. That was a big piece. Presecutors said Hoffman had nothing to gain like publicly talking about her past life. She had two children. She had moved on her life and didn't want to go back in time but but she did but why would see mate that confession to her office said Garcia who was a regular at the Strip club where she worked wanted more than a lap dance. He was trying to impress her because she was trying to keep him at arm's length saying you know what he was getting too serious. I only date bad boys. Look good for me. Your doctor only date bad boys and he said his response to her was well. I'M A bad boy. I once killed a young boy in an older lady. It was just they needed to show. Garcia is guilt and we've all their evidence together. You know one piece by itself probably isn't enough but you put all those pieces together and it's a very good case. After twelve days. It was now the defenses turn. They would tell a different story one that attacked the very foundation of the prosecution's case candid. Look inside the defense team in real one real life in real life. You're flies on the wall. Ym You've never seen strategy session like this for the lawyers. Defending Anthony Garcia. It seemed the best defense was an all out offense. I'm not trying to ask somebody out to the prom. I'm trying to defend somebody and I'm GONNA use everything. We arsenal for lead attorney Bob. Mata junior that meant challenging or debunking everything jurors had heard from prosecutors for the past. Two weeks there were so many inconsistencies with the way that they said that it went down that it just never came together for me that he was guilty in a rare move. The defense team allowed dateline inside their private strategy sessions. Talk about our commute. Wanted to know it was in raucous group with Allison Mata serving as passionate adviser Robert. Motta senior the voice of experience something and local attorney Jeremy Jorgensen and an assortment of researchers sweating the details of the team rented a home out in West Omaha not far from the Dundee neighborhood. It was there that they plotted strategy. The first order of business knock down the theory. That Anthony Garcia killed two people in two thousand eight and two more in two thousand thirteen out of revenge. He gotta get recur stupid quote. Shakespeare quoque hurt me shine out revenge. According to the defense team Anthony Garcia had no motive to kill anyone. What's wrong with the prosecution theory? That Anthony Garcia blame the people at Creighton for everything bad. That had happened to him since he left. Creighton and the idea that when people would check out his resume they would inevitably get back to Creighton and they'd get a bad report about him. The problem with the state's theory is that Anthony Garcia would have been unaware of those communications. They don't let people in on those communications on the other hand. They pointed out Dr Hotter had actually handed Garcia. This short letter of recommendation after Garcia was dismissed from Creighton and got him his next job which a month after two months after he left Creighton for his part. Anthony Garcia seemed bored by all cameras. Were not allowed inside the courtroom but if they had been they would have shown what jurors saw. Anthony Garcia napping. He slept quite a bit during the trial. I'd say half the trial. And how do you think that that plays off to a jury? The two thousand eight case of Tom Hunter and surely Sherman was the most straightforward for the defense. There's no direct evidence. There is no smoking gun there is no DNA. It's all pieces and they're trying to put together this puzzle on the stand. None of the prosecution's eye-witnesses could ide- Anthony Garcia as the man they'd seen eight years earlier as for the Silver Honda CR V. Defense pointed out that not one of the eye. Witnesses ever mentioned the big spare tire that was on. The back of Garcia's car was big as all get out. I mean it's enormous and nobody said anything about that. Never never one mention of it which to me indicated. It wasn't my client's vehicle. That's the more likely answer. The two thousand thirteen bombeck case was more complicated for the defense team. Beginning with the fact that Anthony Garcia had been in Omaha on the day of the murders. How do you explain your client being back in Omaha and searching for the addresses of one person was killed and one person whose house was nearly broken into modern to? That's a tough question. I mean you're dealing with digital forensics ultimately the defense argued that because an investigator downloaded Garcia's iphone data ought to his personal following. The evidence was open to tampering. You've got a cop who's downloading what seems to be the most critical piece of evidence onto his own iphone. So it might about a cop who did that search and not your client. I'm not going to suggest that anybody You know specifically type the name in I'm just going to say that the way that the state presented the case and in particular that piece of evidence was not exactly truthful. The defense attorney spent a lot of time talking about the gun found on the side of the road and the AMMO magazine at the Brownback House. The fact that we have been very damaging evidence we want to cloud up about. It doesn't matter right there. So this o f want real life. I didn't realize wise on the wall man out also part in court. The defense argued could not prove a leak between the gun. Parts found that the Brownback House and the gun that was licensed to Anthony Garcia. The parts found in house or parts of a weapon that went through a catastrophic failure. Parts of our clients gun that were found on the side of the road showed no evidence of a catastrophic failure. And although it's the right kind of gun do if it's not necessarily the one of the right kinds of guns. You can't fire bullets in that gun. Chicago based defense team worked late into the night while keeping a close eye on their beloved cops were in pursuit of a world series title. Is God man on first and second? It was during these sessions over lunch. There's no point showing cards that don't have to be shown during breaks and at their rental that the defense team plan and prep their expert. Witnesses this really oil sounds interpretation. Everything laugh at something different. The DNA evidence linking Garcia to the beautiful break in they said was flawed and the prosecution's town line for the Brownback. Murders will suspect states window for one. This had to occur because of where they had our guy at certain times through cell phone records. It had to occur sometime between three fifteen and four o'clock four fifteen. According to the defense the boombox were killed later. Maybe around midnight. Long after Anthony Garcia had left Omaha and headed for our pathologists. Made it very clear that because of the the rigor mortis the conditions of the bodies The homicides didn't happen when he was in Omaha in the Dundee murders perhaps the biggest hurdle for the defense is the testimony of former exotic dancer society. Often Cecilia Hoffman. Statement was was huge. Remember she's the woman who quoted Garcia as saying that I play an old woman. But here's the thing Hoffman later said to a private. I hired by the defense that she remembered very little from that time bomb. Mata hammered at Hoffman's credibility on cross examination the concept. That is just so insane to me that this guy who's gotten a wave for essentially murder is now going to confess to a stripper that he knows that there's no way it's African Cup with them and that's your come online. Oh we I killed people. I killed an old lady and a young boy. I Dunno after three weeks. Both sides summed up their cases for the jury and hit all the familiar things. Then they placed Anthony Garcia's fate in the jury's hands toast from the defense but that was before the verdict of the jury do seen. My brother crashed in my mom. Cry Seeing the District Attorney. Cry Tough Moment Sometimes justice is not what happens in a courtroom but rather what comes out of it on the day lawyers finished their closing arguments in the Anthony Garcia murder case. A lot of people showed up to see what kind of justice would come out of courtroom three sixty among those waiting. Were the families of Tom. Honor of Shirley Sherman and yes. I'm Anthony Garcia. It was late afternoon when the jury the case then. The waiting began huddled on benches outside. The courtroom were reporters and spectators. The family and friends of the victims. Prosecutors retreated to their offices for what they hoped would be a short wait what the defense was ready to blow off. Steam. The models and their entourage settled in at a local bar several miles from the courthouse. The jury would be out for a while they thought so they feasted and toasted one another then as the sound system began to play the opening chords of the Rolling Stones Song Sympathy for the devil. Bob Mata said something. He wanted everyone in the bar. Two year this is for the Dabble after closings. You guys went out for drinks and we were there for that sympathy for the devil comes on the sound system and you say hey. That's the that's our theme song here. That's what we're going for. That's what you want sympathy for the devil. When I looked at the case of the state presented it was pretty obvious to me. They saw are sleeping. Client as the devil so yeah. I thought it was apropos. I thought it was appropriate. Not because I think he's the devil because they sure did state absolutely thought he was. The jury deliberated till nine pm that first night and all of the next morning tension ratcheting up with every tick of the clock. We thought we gave the jury a very solid case. We felt confident about it. But again you don't know then at about one in the afternoon word began to spread the jury verdict. I thought the verdict would be good. But you don't know until you hear it lining up alongside the families of surely Sherman and Thomas Hotter was the Garcia family. They were very respectful during the trial. I will say that I mean they didn't they didn't ever say anything like some some families. Thanks some families war right now. There there was not once everyone had crowded inside. The verdict was announced guilty on all counts. Breathe a sigh of relief. You just feel that that rush of emotion. It was a moment a long time. Coming for surely Sherman's brothers Brad. And Dan and her son Jeff reaction to the verdict relief of relief. You guys feel better. I think my sister deserved that. Her killer brought to justice just wonder was sitting with his mother and brothers while that verdict was read in that moment of joy and gratitude. He says he thought of his little brother. Tom A kid who never had the chance to grow up. Gets me thinking what where he'd be now and what? He looked like now. Talk like what he'd be doing. The most emotional moment came later that afternoon on closed doors when the victims families met privately with the people responsible for bringing this case to an aunt. We've basically gave Ronald applause. Came in because they did a hell of a job tough to be there. Or you're glad you were there. Were not really emotional. So seen my brother cry. See my mom. Cry Tired and seeing the District Attorney. Cry was tough while. Garcia's defense team faced a gaggle of cameras outside the courtroom in terms of what we did the Best Anthony Garcia's parents who spent much of their life savings on their son's defense spoke briefly with reporters rough. Everybody I know it's difficult for the other families who but it's very difficult for us to at this time. One last set of victims. He never wants turned around. Looked AT ONCE. I felt sorry for me I did. I saw his dad's head down a number of times. And you kind of in your mind. You don't know what they're thinking you know. Obviously until they were saddened greatly. Two years later a three judge panel ruled that Anthony Garcia should receive four death sentences for the murders of Thomas Hunter. Surely Sherman and Roger and Mary Brownback as he had through much of his trial. Garcia slept through his sentencing. As for the families he destroyed. Some healing may finally begin like a weight lifted off shoulders. There's not that constant cloud hanging over. Everybody wants to talk about things like that. Just more open better spirits when they read the verdict. Two deputies were taking him away and Alyssa. Motta was trying to convince Deputy Talk. Mendel let him speak to his parents because he will never get to speak to them again. What about all the other victims here? They can't speak to Shirley Thomas Roger. 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