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SE50 | Nate Oliver | Ohio State Buckeyes and Life After Football

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SE50 | Nate Oliver | Ohio State Buckeyes and Life After Football

"Welcome to the sports leaper nor podcast. The podcast sports and Entrepreneurship collide a cat source production in this episode. I chat with Nate Oliver Director of Kiki. Fuck is social entrepreneurship program at the Ohio State University and key member to the two thousand seven to two thousand eleven Ohio State Buckeye football program. We discussed mentors coach. Jim tressel and life after football. Let's get into this episode. We welcome Ohio State Buckeye Nate. Oliver Sports Preneurs it content platform a collaborative team any marketing that is all about showcasing leaders and difference makers in and around the world the sports but we create our own content we also create content with you this includes collaborative content and exclusive content for your brand think podcasts blogs social media and overall content strategy are sports content marketing team is specifically niche for those in the sports industry that includes sports. Businesses athletes have managers coaches trainers entrepreneurs and business leaders in the sports market. The bottom line is we want to help with your sports related brand your content marketing and your story connect with us on Instagram at sports e. Preneurs or find US online at sports e preneurs Dot Com sports leaper. Noor they contemplate for more sports and Entrepreneurship collide and heard that story about you. Being the first recruit in your recruiting class in two thousand six right okay. So you the seven class okay. So what was it about Ohio State? Like why did you verbally commit so early? That yeah so for me. It was one of those things were. Goes BACK TO GROWING UP IN CLEVELAND. Ohio in Ohio Obscene football support of St. Eight hundred as you know that's though Lawson Oats and national championship game and my room just lacks now being grew and after game. I've made up my mind that I'm GonNa lost the caring but granted you know the people right on the signing Gouge Bowl. They weren't going off playing house. They were playing that bomb volleys on John Carroll Mountain so it was like three schools our scenes. I never saw of eating the bowling green accurate. Nothing will make that and do something like that when the opportunity presented itself to attempt browse the I got offered was A. It was a no brainer for me like this. What I'm doing offers. Obviously that too up. North at that time was huge. All the biggies big ten schools my when I was starting to get some insurance. Acc schools my junior year but admitted nothing signing day of much so I had to wait a whole year and we're actually signed the paperwork holiday. A man who I wanted to go people that I've played against high school. Who graduated that? We're going to stay at the Cleveland. Area new found wanting to play ball with so that's locked into our state will coach tressel outfits. The band with likes. She works at Thanksgiving football down from the my family on West me and my dad. He was the way my dad I than job over to my mom's house within each each conversation. You know football cool like he knew that I was buried by August together. But say you know. Make sure that he the best team being that he possibly could be able to be part of them off the field on cheating. So what else saying? He's talking about being outside football so me. He was more than coaching mentor. He was a life coach football coach. He really made you think about the thing down. Bigger than yeah like you said the man the missile legend. I mean there was just something about him and I think Ohio State always could rub people the wrong way. Get understand you know. They've had a lot of success over the years. If you don't root for our state you probably don't know how safe that much coach trussell comes along and at a time when people are thinking well Ohio States can go away and sure enough like you just said. You're washing the national championship game. Remember it like it was yesterday. It wasn't yesterday but what an amazing game that year was crazy. Arenas talked about that. Oh some people recently by you fast. Forward and here comes coach. Trust has got the sweater vast and has his way about Senator and I think a lot of people were proud of what he stood for what he did. I know my parents. I had my first art. They met at Ohio State. My grandmother went to Ohio State. It's there's something deep there it's just. It goes back so many years. The shoe's been around forever. It seems like and it means a lot. It means a lot and coach trussell mental lot in. That's why think when things ended the way they ended as a frustrating experience. Because we all know the media can take things and run with things and and that's frustrating. When you see someone that I know it's one thing for someone like myself to get frustrated by it but for someone who was recruited by them who played form who was mentored by Don all of these things to see it kind of culminate like it did because I look back at coast tussles career like what an incredible career at Ohio state in his still doing incredible things and you follow on social media and in the president of university. Like what a guy but what was it like last year going into your senior year that that had to be just a punch the God or what were you feeling at that time senior? Everything happened my restaurant in place to be considerable and then all of a sudden. Ncaa grinding them access to play. And then after the game suspending them for game because he played in general that's a whole nother topic but sure we're going and he's also looked up to tell her that she really started in the father figure for you call. It wasn't a spalding. Really Media Leshan. Say a lot of things about him that want shoe but I learned a lot through that while watching go through it and well. He was never pointed the finger at anyone even when things about him. That weren't true. You know he just roll with the punches. And that's what he did and he talked me through that whole situation that units maybe justified or anything or whatever it is may be provocative. You know what people are saying about me. If I'm going through something like that that really you know where my shoulders up keep watching you walk through and he really deal with with class and I know for me. My associate growing up as a young kid. I was someone who I would say something. I at first before the situation I was on bit of I'd had not not too much really defeated. How could trust yourself you really shaped me because even right now and you know my marriage and a relationship that I've ever now unable to sink in for a lot better than I did before. So don't think they're gonNA do you have a world class. I really don't think there's a coach out there. That could handle that situation on the way that he did and wouldn't say the always say the last thing he said to us for you know about what was the last workout. He essentially had to sneak on campus at that point came suspending. He couldn't come back to campus. And you know you talked to one last as I say I just want. You guys remember lousy who you are what she'd done for these university and what you do for anything. I understand that a housing individual. No I was going to be here and that is going to continue to move on you and all American hearing but I feel whatever he likes to do is GonNa Continue. Won't be just won't make it in individual so make sure that you guys are asking awful. It is yeah. I don't think any of us can put ourselves in what he was feeling but he made it not about him. He made it about his players. You guys these college kids who really are growing up to become men and you're relating to your marriage your life. Your Post. Football has nothing to do with football but it had everything to do with football and so many different things can tie into it and I just. It's amazing that you're able to pull on those different things. And it's a testament to who is and it's a testament to who you are as a person you hear these stories in. It's you know it makes you happy to hear that we look at these challenges that we face in life and it could be something like that. It could be you name it right. There's so many different things the challenge that we're dealing with today the pandemic that we're all dealing with that you hit these obstacles and you'd never choose it right. Never choose it but what are you gonNA do about it? Now that it's here don't stop. Now don't stop for me. You know keep going and you guys still continue that relationship and thinking through those things and you probably watched it play out like even going back to a smaller point like a football game like you watching that game on. Tv In two thousand the championship with Miami How was not picked by anybody to win like they were setting the game party? After right I think Clinton portis would like had the parties ready to go in the game like even at the beginning wasn't going their way in certain things that happened in you. Reflect back on that interception. Sean Taylor Imerese Clara rips the ball. And you're like there's a certain moments of the ending of the game and all that kind of stuff but washing coach trussell through it not skippy not stopping. Not freaking out in played out through your years there. I mean just so many games and the Michigan Games and took it serious and and just certain moments I'm sure you can reflect back to say there are certain games you're like oh my goodness it's getting away from us here. We go but you didn't have that because you look to. The leadership and the leadership wasn't panicked. I mean do you remember those times that were you? You guys are like bill for that stuff. I remember things number one. One thing goes fickle. Always say what's changed with evitable bras which you want never books so you have to be ready for so I think that Kinda got his run for anything whether the game but football story I remember in the became. 'cause they gang at this point they were about to go in the half time for the defense. They ended up stopping from scoring. So I think maybe twenty one seven at halftime going have found fourteen and that we were losing any good. I don't have much but I remember the locker room. Everyone's Kinda frustrated with still composed and trust to defend so comedy. I guess what we're GONNA do offense. We'll get the ball drop down a few on scored touchdown defense. You'RE GONNA to go out there and get a turnover and then we're gonNA take your game back and we all just kind of like okay and that's what we're going to do and that really. What happened was like it was just one of those things like almost predicting what will go how we're going to function and it was like looking back on. It was like Yo. You couldn't have scripted. That even buddy like we hit a all day. He was just so confident in his players. Had that can pose to where like it didn't matter if you were down twenty seven at that time or to whatever it may be you know coach. Tressel and going to find a way to put it in a position to win and be successful. That's what he had another and still nothing allowed us to really come out on top again. Sure in that leadership. I was talking to someone recently and Their College Basketball Coach in college basketball team of what a fifteen players. Let's say you look at college. Football Eighty five scholarship players. And there's more and then there's not just under coaches and there's management as many people it's like you become the CEO of a company so much that goes into that. And how do you manage all of that well to me? It's like you need to break it down in the teams and you heard Urban Meyer nine strong talking about those different things in that helps helps fan understand what's going on but obviously a team you're always going to have leaders especially in the huge organization you have the leaders of you know like the wide receivers coach defensive backs coach quarterbacks coach and all that but then it goes down to the leaders on the team so you come to school there who are some of the leaders that were mentoring you along the way like no doubt great athlete grateful ballplayer. All these different things is a different right and you're not in high school anymore. You're at the Ohio State University and you gotTA show up in the Shu with one hundred and something thousand people there and you've got to be ready to go. Who are the players that were helping you in the in that process who got started our say When I first got there I'm Jay would be most down Washington monthly monthly corner. So they kinda how commence already mark Jenkins Shawn Lane. Those are the guys that are really like like this with the game from flying this when she should expect to mind right. Traffic from high school to college is a big charters from even though my school the big ones in Ohio stillborn from there to new housemate university. So that transition haven't gotten kinda out along the way on great and then even storms like peer mentors would say like I would say cameron heyward coming to this day. That's probably she'd probably is one of my best friend's Day but having someone like that in my class understood the game that he played in the NF Mom made sure that she can handle straight. He was the leader from day. One or they're being too workouts. How prepared everything something that not in quite get? I understand why he's showing up from the facility so early pregnant starting to say two o'clock going there at twelve no matter what. I didn't understand why he was doing until I saw him develop. Okay not getting so. I was like that kind of show you the way to go school. The is it that helps getting older. You Know Ali don't go by Kirk home in home and then even obviously it sounds crazy but even leading from coaching standpoint. I mean there's so many great coaches that we had over there but I coach Hazel food. The wide receivers coach the weight carrying himself leadership position as someone. I really respected a lot. I mean I don't think he even know how much I respect today. But like whatever cocaine will say now. He coached a game that someone that other up to as well. Yeah but I mean just that alone Chazel. Well I mean you don't know when you can rub off on somebody and I think that's why you could always carry yourself with a certain way. But that's why you going back to being on this podcast. Maybe someone listens to it in the. Here's the story that you told her whatever that might have been pick and choose whatever that is that it can rub off on someone and you might never even know that you did it that way like you're on the defensive side and he's the wide receivers coach and for whatever reason he had this thing he rubbed off on you and I think that's amazing new. You mentioned two players that are well known today in the NFL. With Malcolm Jenkins and Cameron Heyward. I mean very respected individuals. Not only for the way they play the game but the type of person that they are the way they represent Ohio. State Malcolm Jenkins for all the amazing things. He's doing not just again off the football field cameron heyward and you mentioned him as in. Everyone knows right because said his dad played iron had hayward played in the NFL and when he's at Ohio State. It's like what kind of obstacle you dealing with their you lose a father and the type of player he is the way he played the game the way he represented his team and for you to have a relationship in watch that man. It's just right there in front of you. And what a great person. He is in those types of people. When you watch the game you could respect that type of player or that type of team that has that mindset. That goes after it. Could you saying well he dealt with one of the biggest obstacles life can throw at you and now look at? I'm looking at different things he's doing and it's just awesome that you get to call him a friend and a mentor and just as someone that you can share time with. I think that's awesome and I heard this thing is. I'm reading some stuff about you and watching some videos. You were described by many as the best teammate. People just liked being around you. They said you would do anything for them. Hugh then became that person and the stories about Curtis grant who right heralded freshman coming in and and maybe didn't have it at. The beginning wasn't reaching his level of what he possibly could have done but then fast forward through the years and then look at them right in the championship season that he was a big part of whether the Virginia Tech Game. Maybe that dingoes way by the Alabama game in so anyway. Was it obvious to you or. Is this how you were raised to be the best? He may I was raised. Probably about my dad taught me and let me seeing that He was Second District Police officer Cleveland. But he worked he plus he think of other shows just to make sure that. I had everything that I needed. So they're seeing how he was able to just a sacrifices to make sure have everything that needed but also get the things that I wanted as well so I should say I mean had everything I I want like the Cool Pool. Close the book. There was never a point where my dad was. Never a point where I was hungry. I didn't have clothes and if I wanted to go out. He gave me money developing chance of my super crazy as far as that goes but yeah I could get socked with ham and then also grade school. Football talents more Grade School and playing football and had my coaches really teach. It was to be a teammate. They're thinking when John Gabby. He's probably one of the biggest team coaches news. Care fuel a superstar. You can get your. He wants to go for a run. Put it all out there for the team and at the time we had a alex boom email team. When I was a sophomore in high school is during your side my freshman during his five from the Dan but dislocated his elbow shows the second game of the season tiny funds but because coach was and obviously the competitive out was getting a break for it and got back to lady. Jane's chain restaurants even and obviously I don't stay it was always about the black. They didn't really care about the last name on the back of the Jersey. You about you know. The black opens up front playing for your babies to last for the ride of you. Should I was important? And then when a stressor what he did just to take any kind of the people the ad name tests and on a going on with with you or not but we had the name and hometown test so essentially what we do know. Everybody's name number where they were from high school they want to and if she did know that by the end of camp you have to do extra conditioning luckily for me but a decent memory to memorize the entire thing basically had doing extra conditioning. But we do that every year. And that right there. Just really. He's really Giant how important somebody knowing your team known individuals on the day countless for them being willing they alive down form the best team. I definitely do appreciate that for sure. I think there are some things I couldn't have done. That was mainly an even better late. But maybe I'm just being hypercritical myself. Yeah definitely put down that for the DC and somebody like grant coming freshman year. I think he spread number two in the nation or something crazy like that. I think the only person right that cloudy. He was having the Shush me that he wanted to. And then he came in with Ryan she view and Ryan with having mazing occurred in. Since Kinda hard from the you know Ryan on the net and paying Who supposedly doing. This wasn't really just taking on any of them. No like controlled on actually wrong. He put the work in and did the right thing. The only feel that everything's on a workout foreign and to see that his senior year he was the captain on no national championship thing and became that beat Alabama for me. It was one of those things that I was compounded. Good among their at the Chelsea. He was the son. Were awesome. I I love the yeah. It's funny because we talked to James. Cotton played in the late nineties and he talked about how he goes the kickoff classic something in New Jersey and they played against Miami and again I think it was ninety nine remember watching that game and they lost Santana Mausoleum made me on the team so anyway James on the Miami team they lost and they were in the locker room after that said if we ever see these guys again. We'RE NOT GONNA lose. Well sure enough. The next time they see him was the national championship game and James Cotton had since left but he feels like in that locker room. That day is when they made the decision to beat Miami. That next time they were gonNA play so he explains the story of watching them. Hoist the trophy. They win the game he sees like Mike Doss captain and he was there because my daughter was a freshman that year and carries on. Its yes. It's in those four five years year there three or four five years now right that you're part of the team but it goes on tell you having that story in talking about how state winning it in two thousand fourteen and senior. Guy Curtis krant being one of the captains of the team. It's like main probably get chills up your spine. We all do right just hearing that type of stuff. Because it's real it's real in the sense of like it goes back to camp when you just had to remember like year on the defensive side of the ball or special teams in your the left guards name number highschool all these kind of things about these people but it made a difference right. It clearly made a difference because you saw in the team and and you even went back to when you were playing when you're young before you got to college or even got the high school and and you sports so big topic right now. And it's all I always interested in what athletes like yourself. Just incredible athletes made it to the highest level in college and to look back at US sports today versus when maybe when you were playing not that long ago but still things have changed and everyone's the next great player to a lot of parents. But there's a lot of specialization sports but now maybe there's more opportunity for specialization. Like what is your take. What you've seen on the state of US sports today. The kids that I see right now are a lot more athletic these at age specialization. I mean he's incredible but that's lobbies in sports just like in life or business is going to be evolution you have to evolve in order for you now obviously get ahead but yeah you sports something incredible whether it be football baseball basketball just can't be doing on hurting us. Yeah but that's also one of the reasons why now we have. Nfl draft and we ought to combine. And we ask people who are six four hundred and fifty miles on a four. Three people are just gifted and they've been specialized to do this for such a long time to where it's kind of like I'm just going out there playing tag like 'cause he's so in that sense. I think it's a maintenance one thing that I don't want to take a broad brush strokes but I will say sometimes it seems like the chain. But maybe not always. I think you miss you with all the different technology again. Technology is great bouncing ball houses and skype meetings compound and Jomon continue to do our day especially doing something like this but it also came to false sense of security. I guess you can you can make. The highlight paid can be an amazing athlete. At the age of say are eleven for what everyone else grows up and they catch up to you at sixteen seventeen and you know the football and basketball baseball. She said she thought we were going to be. Your age. Are going to you now. Now you gotta deal with a kid. You got a better job bagging expectations because right now everything's about likes in Charles and you know these these. These came back being set up there. I went because again social media and everything in them assault false security looking at it growing up and we've been recruited high school when you look at it. The Star was rivals and Scout. Dot Com had the star ratings or whatnot. Living High School. I was a four star actually and I would have got caught up a reading exactly what it said and I want to start working I would have stopped doing anything because I four star ranking saying something like loose telling a seventy five percent chance go into the NFL. It was something crazy like that. And say it'd be forced. Athletes are out there like. I don't think we're doing a good job of managing those expectations on the youth level. By far as coaches in parents. Let's do a better job. Nanjing that they still working. I mean it's good that right now just asking everyone else giving everyone else right now but just make sure that they're still working box office feeling better deal but also out down develop skills outside of the game of football basketball whatever that may be so that if something happens the injury happened that you know entropy end of the world for them. They're ready to go do something else. So I I love you but at the same time. It's Gary conditions kids thanks go onto nfl once in the NBA. And then when it doesn't happen world stops right. Yeah well. There's a lot of mental health in that right. I mean there's like you just said I mean you're dealing with it every day and it's so vast because there's so many teams there so many different coaches. It's sometimes like you gotta get to a coach. Trussell in. There's only one of him but you have to have someone somewhere. Maybe it's not the coach. Maybe a parent or a sibling or a friend. Or who knows what that is. GonNa help you through that process and not let you read. Write your clippings as they say. But you're right. There's a transition I think it exists at many levels. I mean really you could be. You could have been that ten year old thought you were the best and then you get to high school and you realize men everyone caught up to you and your nothing anymore as far as an athlete is concerned. And you have to deal with that. Obviously then you go to high school and then you go to college. Perhaps you don't make it to college right. You're not playing on the team. You played in high school or you don't make it to the professional leagues like you said. How many athletes the one percent of the one percent? I mean it is a small number and then players that do make it to the League. And they don't last or the ones that do and have incredible careers. It still ends and it ends. Usually when someone's in their twenties or thirties or maybe who knows if they can make it to their forties. That's very unheard of. There's a transition out of sports at many different levels. And obviously you had to deal with it. Anyone who's going to go to Ohio state and played for one minute at Ohio State is going to deal with the transition because you're not that field and there's got to be something special. I want to get into some of that stuff in a bit but when you are transitioning out of sports in no different than kids transitioning into the different levels of Sports. What is that because it's very difficult to understand what that would be like to say. Now what am I gonNA do? I mean in some of these. Some players and some people are able to transition easier than others but generally speaking. It's not going to be an easy transition. Even if you've been told a million times it's happening it's GonNa Happen. Get ready for it and just not that easy. I don't know well on my personal transition to grade. The transition right ten being the best tradition ever in one being the other guy he'd smoke. I was probably one or two only because like I haven't Macau's degree understand that. Those life the sports and this idea that. I still lose things like I mean I understand but the best lacking describe would happy when this house thank but I. I'm pretty sure it's professional. Whatever may be the best way I can find what happens. Take Superman for example men had superpowers. He strong you know x Ray Vision Super Fast right and then all of a sudden one day saying it's all stripped from him was he's just Clark Kent and he has the powers that he's trying to figure out okay. Mike like right now for that one moment. Everyone was screaming my made and he wanted to hang out with them. And now this important and our this knows that and now all of a sudden shift away from you and then even from Ohio state aspect on turn on the TV watch for house. They play in the fall after I got done playing. And they're someone else wearing my number and they go. This is weird. I'm just here I don't know what to do. It has more so a mental thing because you could be prepared financially. You can be prepared physically. It doesn't matter it may be but mentally something stripped from and you have to figure out who you are and how many people do well the pet. I have teenagers struggling with it. I think for me I went through the transition prom the year. Twenty twelve twenty thirteen and I'll still dealing with the days on fourteen fifteen but it wasn't my super super bad but I have to make sure that you have a coach to get you do are you can sit there and really talk about what's going on. 'cause there's a lot of times where people just sit there and they suffering violence that they're the only people that have ought to this transition but reality. I want to transition Teammates went through the transition. And all you have to do is reach out to us and you can help you walk through this whole process. You'll have to buy so we get it that your week. It's not that she news which isn't fake. They're real feeling these a rhythm ocean we get it. We can help walking through rich where you're not trying to prosecute by yourself so get. I try this and realize their need. Something set out whether the on high school level college level at a phone number to Whiz people able to you know go talk about these things whether it be counseling or and or a life coach. Whatever it might be this was GONNA BE SETUP. Became that transition something that unfortunately not many people can people making. Some people. Don't enforce making out mess where you people who develop habits and or that's where the whole suicide thing comes on don't really are. They can't function without. It can seem important Israel. We touched on it briefly mental health. It's exactly yet I mean people deal with it in different walks. I remember getting out of college. I didn't play college sports right. I mean I did but not that level rate in school. And you're thinking I'd rather be in school right now. I'd rather be doing that. I don't want to do this and it's not a fun experience and you're like you said you're not alone in that. I heard Grant Wiley West. Virginia's leading tackle in the history of West Virginia. He said when I laughed and I was done with school. My cool factor ran out very fast. And he's like people who have taken any call from me he's like. I couldn't get anybody on the phone anymore. He's like bow was an easily leading tap on the history that program and not to say that they left him and he's still obviously a big part of me just in general people outside of the program. And it's it's a tough thing that you have to deal with her than any athlete has to deal with. I'm glad that mental health is being talked about more that you can talk to people in here thing listening to. I'm not saying this episodes of case of mental health is just but if someone were to hear you say what you just talked about or here. This whole conversation might help them out in their process wherever they might be. Maybe there an athlete. That's GONNA be transition at some point. Maybe they already have in their thinking through it. That is why this stuff exists. I remember and I've told the story before that people have listened to this but on two thousand eleven we had a third child and one month into her being born and she was in great health. She was in the hospital for a week and walking into that. My wife called me up. She said they sent us to the Er to the hospital. She got checked in and therefore we remember if you sleep on a couch next to where your baby is in a hospital little mess you up man like it wasn't good. I didn't feel good. Feel right after anyway. Fast forward a little bit in my company changed things are happening and I wanted to start my own business and you know I really had started reading and listening and thinking a lot more but came to realize how important just even podcast were. And I'm not saying it has to be like upbeat positive stuff it could be. Anything is stuff. That's interesting. Do you stuff that you think about? It could be a novel. Could be whatever that is because what happens is you start talking to yourself and when you start talking yourself in a negative stuff or allowing maybe night talking yourself. You're allowing something else. Something else who knows what that is to talk to you and maybe make you feel worse. Then you gotta deal with its. I realize how important podcasting was I realized important reading was writing creating those types of things to a point where I wanted to start doing it myself. That's sports for Noor. Came from his said. I want to create something and maybe I have something to offer. Maybe the offer is just to me. I always think it's like when I say these things even when you say what you're saying a lot of it is still self talk. It's reminding yourself where you've been reminding yourself of that. You can get through these different things so it's like I'm not an here and I'm no expert by it but I've lived it and if I can share it and it holds me accountable to those things. That's what I'm GonNa do if along the way it helps someone else. Maybe it helps my kids. Maybe it helps someone at my company. Maybe it helps the conversation. I'm having with who knows what that is. That is why the stuff exists. And so one on. I kept on going forward. I'm like well. I'm listening to these PODCASTS. Can I create a podcast? Who's GonNa Listen to me? I might sound stupid. My Friends Will Latham. It'll be funny but it'll be like I can't do that. Well then he started doing it. And then when you have. Kinda know what you're talking about or at least have to be willing to share stuff like you were sharing sharing. You have to be willing to share those things and it helps. It helps someone else. You say well. I'll contribute to that al-Qaeda podcast if good things come from that related to business so be and that'll be great and of course we all have to make money. We have to do things. We have to pay bills. But if you do enough of those good things I do think good stuff can happen. Bad stuff can happen to but good stuff can happen. And that's why I think it's important to create those things because hearing you tell these different stories it is important. It's important even if it's just players on the colonel highest team listen to it or players. Are People students at your high school or whoever that? You're impacting people at the Social Entrepreneurship program at Ohio. State here at these things matter. These stories matter. It's going to impact people more than we can ever imagine. It's kind of like when you refer back to coach Hazel and said key didn't realize maybe perhaps the impact he was having on you and it's not for him to now recognize that. It's the fact that it happened and I think that's incredibly important. That's why I would say you had mentioned before. Like creating a podcast. Yes absolutely just share these stories. These stories matter. People want to hear it. If it's not if it's just kids it could be like my son who grew up in Enid House. They started high school right but he likes Ohio state. He likes watching Buckeye football. And it's like well. Here's a story from someone who played there around the time you were being burned and hear his stories here at this is all about because I think it will relate and I think it's just again I just think it's important to that. I mean I appreciate you sharing those stories because we're GONNA continue to run into these things as we keep going. My wife has had health issues. Diagnosis ILIAC disease and going through these things. And so it's like as her husband. I have to be there. I have to think through that stuff. So these types of conversations in a way help with that. So why would I wanNA continue to have it? And it's just it's a great opportunity to even chat with you but I do appreciate you sharing those stories because it matters and people are dealing with it I mean. Life is the buckeyes incredible thing. I can't imagine what it's like to walk out into the horseshoe right in front of all those fans or maybe even walk out in the big house or whatever it is where in the scarlet and grey. What if you think back to it like I? You're at the game. I know that was a loss but that was a crazy environment. Like is that the craziest. You've ever seen the shoe or is there another environment that you're in whether it was just not always nuts right but you in two thousand nine? After she was crying. Instate a Shoe Bananas Tang. I'm trying to think what other games by Penn state were out there and having valley a maybe a big house with the big house jobs on the plan but I'm seeing was quiet. I mean it was cool to see. It wasn't my most exciting. I wouldn't book Holland. Fiamma Outta your seems like that. Was maybe wind up losing not one by bad but Reuben. Usc Squad went to the NFL was ridiculous. Tanya Clay Mac with even starting so slow messed up like being out there and see that stadium seeing the environment looking overseeing in Washington on the sideline. I'm like what did what did she. Where am I really life right here? That was crazy but the shoes happy valley and then even like my freshman year first time running out and she I last. I'll tell you about the first time the last week now for the first time ducks house. They post game of the year. I just remember running out seeing all these people know saying we have a pretty big crowd specially like during the playoffs or nation got. That's one of our rivals like this and some different other job. Saudi and the stadium my freshman year. I gang run out there and I just remember seeing all the fans and I just remember thinking to myself. I don't trip big if I do not fall running at night floating and I had no control who labors look around by. Wow this train to go from that. And my year Penn State's about eleven just seeing the stadium in a different light. It was on the saying by. I'd say goodbye is something that I've known for the past five years so sad saying I was the person who always broke the huddle whenever we wanted to go off from kickoff. Can I remember trying to go out? But I couldn't get the words out like fightback to go to Tom last time for the beginning of the game at the shoe is very emotional but I will say a house dating me easily when everyone is type. Big Primetime game is the best in the playing that night. Yeah nighttime dust. One kind of remember. I didn't play his game. But Oh fix state. Michigan Game Wanders to on the aircrew but seeing that by I mean I was already going to draw fade. But I'm sure that. Yeah it's true man. I mean the I can't imagine being a recruit in that state. My Dad and my brother we were at that game and I remember leaving the stadium. 'cause I was. I remember getting off the plane in a got picked up at the airport in someone had told me that Bo had passed away and it was already one versus two. And now you had this icon in the rivalry in the ten year war and all this stuff. It's like what is happening here in the game. Plays itself out was a forty two thirty nine crazy walking out of that stadium. I was just like I don't know how they can never play another football game again. And then they'd away like eight weeks to play Florida or Myers team. That was bad. But I don't know how you could have gotten up for another football game after that. I don't know I just remember seeing a Eddie George George Play Doh and then I'll turn and randomly there's there jeanette and I'm like life. Dan Give somebody will take a picture with jeeter. I go to the recruiting wrong. I'm Kinda talking and there's a different kind of sit down and and all of a sudden I feel like this person pass me. I'm sitting here but it's cool going to sit down before another. Seton discontinued on the conversation. And then I happened the real up and this person just for the continued conversation included me any was cris Carter. No by what is going on. I was trying Chris. Carter's like yeah talking line and the longest thing I've ever seen in my life. That Game Right. There solidified it though so many stars. I'm sure there were some people that were there then. I can see right there. Jeeter Eddie George Chris Carter Nine bo-bo Blah back to back to back on. Yeah but we can get it in a candy store there. I'm guessing you've got to be. Yeah what do you think about Buckeye football today? I mean obviously trussell has gone. I think people were super excited because they thought well you know what end of Ohio State? Football is here. They had you know your senior year. But you guys had some incredible highlights even year without Wisconsin game. I mean that's always shown. It's just one of those things with Braxton Miller in Devon Smith right I mean just magical game in a way Russell Wilson Right quarterback. He has planning again. So if people talk about that. And like now in Russell Wilson he lost the Buckeyes and that was the one year and you know they took everything you guys could possibly have. We didn't take everything you you were still there. And you guys are still there and credible year and year. Go ahead this year. Every the same team went over the next year was this emotionally mentally. I would just say we were drained because even the Nebraska game I we're up I think twenty eight seven and then ended up losing. I think we're thirty wandered twenty eight or thirty some crazy. Nebraska ended up having the babies. Come back Estrin. What it was I if that game in the show you how emotionally drained we were then the purdue game show because in overtime loss game that we should have won the only game. We really should've lost probably navy. My every other guy. We should have one. We shouldn't lock in Michigan Right. A Jimmy was. We should've lost one game. Miami who run loose maybe state. I'll get out maybe escaping my ear. Will it was bad it was. I think it was draining. Everyone who had anything to do with it. You're tired of it. It's in the news. People are very excited. That of maybe the house like I said is going to be done. When somehow it's the stage set at night in Wisconsin's legit team coming in and that game happens like back and forth and in that crazy ending. I mean you could pull it up. We'll put in the show but you just watched that clip on YouTube. I mean that was. It was really cool moment. I can't imagine what it'd be like to be a player on the field that night. It was amazing here. We got it. We talked about it and we were like okay. We'll just became bowl eligible. Right right yeah. I Dunno mentally keep on going. But that's crazy when you think about it because the expectations are so high like you lose you in mentioned him before he had said you lose one and it's like it's not good you lose to hand three is like just forget about but that was one of those years because a lot of that stuff obviously was built and you said the same team win different coach and different things change but twelve l. And they had a lot of those that pretty game they had the next year. Where did go to overtime? And Braxton had gotten hurt and can guy comes in and write that two point conversion but his wild to see it and so anyway so admires here and obviously they have an incredible. Ron Win the championship. He Leaves Ryan comes in their year. They had last year. Hopefully we have college football. We have football this year. I think the country needs it and that good things are happening in this country if they are playing football but where do you see Ohio State football right now? I mean the way everyone else sees it like on fire right now or were you at with football angry. They say that they're ready to go. I don't know of college. Football happen this year though but I don't know if it is. I think how say right now. I think we have the most tally that we. I mean the way Ryan as the new recruiting. You are a guy hotline. He's doing an amazing job cruise. Well I've never seen an hostile raas as many like problems. Ovechkin nineties for coach Cooper defined a roster. Like this like there's evil. I'm talking about last year as well. The way that the recruiting and the way coach Nick is really getting in the weight room and we should lose a game. Yeah she'll be playoffs again and we will with a national championship should have won last year. A lot of stuff happened in that game. I don't WanNa talk about the fumble. You know what I didn't ask you bring so watching that game and you watch players like Jeff Okuda and Jordan Fuller and remove. I don't care biases aside whether you like them. Absolutely hate Ohio state. These are two guys that first of all American collar type players going to go in the draft and something happens in it. Possibly one of the biggest moments in the history of Ohio State Football Takes Place Ohio State. You know makes mistakes and running backs getting hurt and maybe less points on the board and things happened. Maybe some bad calls already made in that game play happens. In the fumble happens of Kuda strips them fuller picks it up runs in the end zone like they took the lead late in the game. What frustrated me the most in this is what you gotta deal with. And they still had a chance to win the game. At the end it was taken away from these kids taken from the whole team. Those kids in that more than anything else really bothered me. Not because of the fan man. You're Buckeye Fan. That's yeah but at the same time it's like it was just happens and that's sports right and we've seen it all with the saints and you see it with this thing. Bad calls are going to happen so you know what you gotta do. You gotta just get back out there and go make another play and I get it. But that's very frustrating but as a player in them. Oh I mean I guess that's what they say right as a secondary you have to have a short term memory but more because when you get beaten out because when you create a fumble return for a touchdown that's something different in that moment right you deal with these guys. You're part of this type of situation how you possibly get it back together. They have to do it. I mean you have no choice I guess yeah you. You really don't have a choice. But it's also I don't think people factor this and I mean these were also comes back then. People saying you got to be mentally tough situation. Then I get it. But like seeing that fumble recovered core touchdown that momentum swing is emotional. Oh yeah you know what I mean? That's an emotional swayed and all that emotion that you add that joy whatever it may be taken away like. I don't know what that does is your body but it ain't good right. It's impossible my whatever they felt after that. How would relate that to bring it up again but like my fear year? Whatever that emotional toll was where we thought the here. Yeah so it's hard to bounce back from. It's hard to continue the plane. I mean they can feel play but ashby play. That's the minimum that you're changing your bank. Yeah and that's why you know you'd certainly you just call the game different. If you're wondering. Yeah you know what I mean so yeah. I was telling bathrooms kids. I mean it's human error aptly yup but that play to the day I mean we can say a lot of play should have been overturned. Right targeting com. Why did justice? You mean personally. I think nine times out of ten lottery runs the post. I mean that's one of those where having somebody did to me. That's the biggest thing. I don't really care about the intersection of him today. That's national happened. That play right there over trying that boy that won't hurt we'll culpable is made of. I mean it's like we talked about before. Kids manner in college and mistakes happen the. Nfl mistakes happen all the time. And like you said human error could be from the wrath in. That's part of the game and you gotta deal with it and and you know what they did. They got back to where they needed to be to have a chance and they could one that still. You're right it is but you have to be mentally strong and maybe for the long term could be better off for it. You get stronger as a result of it. It's just frustrating. Because you don't have that moment back but you gotta move on you got to move on and you gotTa do amazing things. And you've done amazing things and now you're you're with Ohio State and director. Keith be key Buckeye Social Entrepreneurship program. And there's a lot going on and that and I want you to talk to us a little bit about. What are you doing with Social Entrepreneurship at Ohio State University so director of Kiki Buckeye Hose Entrepreneurship program? He actually played football here in the eighties at her. And we cover the ankle injury. Actually stop that football. But he now owns K. Became agnes pregnancy over there right now. The number one minority the company in the Midwest is not the country and he actually made a gift of a million dollars to supply at the university in order to build a program like this so essentially what I do a director and that number one I put on programs highlighting different social entrepreneurs acuity whether it be Columbus Columbus and Ohio. Right now so that. We're not exposed to social entrepreneurs but I also go out there and I find students who have business ideas so that we can go ahead and put them through workshops and put them through almost an exhilarating to the point where they can go and pitch their idea and find a group of us and then we're actually going to be able to give them from the seed money for that started using some anywhere between twenty and fifty thousand dollars we would be giving a stoops. That's amazing yeah and now our students. Obviously you're awesome mackey talk about. He was a entrepreneur tight playing football a lot. Amazing things is his program. Are you guys involved with some of the things that he was doing when he was obviously now? He's eligible for the draft but our players from the program is well involved with this at times would often actually a few times a year from amazing argues that I'm gonNA share 'cause I WANNA make sure I get it but he's been doing some amazing days of great ideas and they actually had a relationship with Mr Key. San KEEP branding. He so he's actually sticky for a while now but some plays my football team as well as through a few different Track accurate that I met with it added from business businesses. So WanNa meet with students and or students will just sit down and tell me the business idea and I kind of helped them work through the stage. Show the beginning everything together. Make sure to give a business line developed from there. I tell them with a mentor. Who can help them to the business level? So it's a lot of fun to work with. Student athletes the other thing that we have figured out right now when it comes to start up money. 'cause obviously it's available to any student. But if he were to get money to a student athlete we'd have to look into. Ncaa rules whatnot. She's again wireless things but you silly but a good not to make sure you're doing that but also think experienced skier experience laughing. I'm already thinking about those out in time. So I think that helps especially being in mobile games. Student athletes are great especially now. They're already thinking outside the box. I mean at this point I think what twenty one or twenty twenty three. We'll be able to use the likeness if you look at their social media accounts whether it'd be taught instagram. To whatever it is that he's going to be able to make money off of that she's Manso. I think it's amazing. Time to be an entrepreneur plus evening student athlete because you are going to make money off of year you energy like this but at the same time you're gonna be able to build your brand to where you want it to be so that's definitely. GonNa help that transition where you may not be playing football basketball running tried baseball whatever sport. Maybe he may not be doing that anymore. But you have built your brand up to a point where you have following Say Five hundred thousand or a million people this he would do whatever you WANNA do. You have family that point. You're an influences because you have to follow we saw at this you'll have companies not saying. Hey I want to our page or I want to send you a box. Foods closed can give me a shot. Initial people. Follow this link. This point allow to create to create a reverend with the national wild- through them so I'm excited for reform and just do about then. That aren't thinking about that yet. They need to start doing that because I was going to be here quoting now. So be sure absolutely and even if it takes a couple years from here to figure that thing out I mean. They're still building their following their building. Their brand. It's no different than walking down the sidewalk and seen someone they recognize. The football players Vassallo players right and just a smile can go a long way in in no different than someone messaging. Someone make a post about you on instagram. It's positive right in that. Respond back to them like just. You don't even realize what an Emoji Smiley face could do to that kid in that's there forever and because you've just you've built a fan and so even if you can't monetize it today as you know it's the long game is thing is going to be around for a long time and so you build that out in your background with football with Ohio state and seeing know. That's one of the things that drew me to. You obviously be doing those things but then entrepreneurship at Ohio State and obviously not sure myself and an understanding like what you can do all in college and if you have a university like Ohio State University supporting you in that. It's just it's an amazing opportunity and experience that you can have and and to have their you're there and you have credible background stories in well-spoken to to share these things so it's an important role you play in. I'm glad you brave to share stories about playing football when as a kid and come to our state and trussell in all the Games you played in the transition from football to to what you're doing now it's amazing man and I appreciate the time and the energy and the influence that you have and I appreciate it. Thank you out here. Not being really stink for one of my favorite things about our sports preneurs. Content platform is the opportunity to chat with amazing people in and around the world of sports. We hope you enjoyed the conversation if you want to connect more hit us up on instagram at sports IPE reneur. Thank you for listening to this. Cat Stores Production The sports e PODCAST. The podcast where sports and entrepreneurship collide.

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Chimdi Chekwa | Ohio State Buckeye For Real

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Chimdi Chekwa | Ohio State Buckeye For Real

"Welcome to the sports, e preneurs podcast. The podcasts were sports in entrepreneurship, collide, a cat source family production in this episode. We discussed life in the NFL sports and business and the Ohio State buckeyes culture. This podcast exists in large part because of calcium content marketing business inside cat sourcing. So what does do you know how many business leaders need help communicating their story? Will. That's what we do content creation and distribution for business. Leaders this provides opportunities relationships and a platform for you and your business. Why do we do this, because a calcium exists to help business leaders build a meaningful legacy that is worth living and leaving? Learn more by visiting calcium dot com. Yesterday is chimney. Check wa current NFL free agent and entrepreneur chimney is a former Ohio State buckeyes football player and current entrepreneur co owner of the pit barbecue grill in Columbus, Ohio. He also has his hands in other ventures that we touch on in this chap, you may remember chimney from his days with Yoho state buckeyes, where he was a first team, all American, cornerback Afrikaans chimney was drafted in the fourth round by the Oakland Raiders in the two thousand eleven NFL draft through much perseverance and motivation. Chimney gives us insight around why he is so passionate about sports. And entrepreneurship chimneys examples of self-awareness incontinent movement were on full display in our chat because incredible mindset desire to succeed has so excited to feature him on this podcast and anytime I get a chance to talk Buckeye football. I'm taking it. And with so much talk about. Let's get right into this episode and welcome Ohio State Buckeye, great chimney, check walk. I heard you on beanie wells and boom, herons podcast and you guys were talking about the days playing with coach tressel. Incredible. I think it's been an incredible run. I mean Ohio statesman on incredible run for decades, of course. But when trussell got here, I think the culture change even more. I mean just obviously looking at how states handling plane, Michigan and beating Michigan seems like almost every time they go out. But there's a culture there and just talk a little bit about that because you came early on. I think Chessel had been here for years, but you came here early on when coach tressel got here. Talk a little bit about what coach tressel means to you as a person. And as a player. Yeah, I think trussell was just a good leader leader man. Or at least the leader of war is transitioning into you. Come in, man. You did a good job of instilling in us. What what's important reminded us? What's important giving us tool of, on how to actually maintain our focus and kind of cut through all the distractions and stuff that are out there and the honest, you know, coming from high school to stay. I just just don't just knowing trust on pretty much. My is coast that, that type of leadership was kinda what I thought every player had every coast did. But it wasn't until I got the NFL and kinda was away from trestle for a lot. I realize he was unique in that, not only that he can. You also did a great job. Connecting people and connected with failures families, and remembering everything about their families, and that friend. That's like that's a he will unique in that you really know how to connect with individuals. And I think that helped me throw my time at how stated Astor I'm sure and so like you go to the NFL and you're having conversations with guys in practice. And you sit down for dinner and they're probably asking you about your experience at Ohio State. So it's what did what did other people go through the just not have that type of leadership at their school because I think so many people took it for granted. You know, people on the outside. I'm talking about of what a coach Jim tressel could mean to, to the to the Oregon to the program and to players like yourself and I think it's a great point because you don't know unless you're in there and then hearing, you tell the story some years later, manage just makes you look back in always admired coach trussell. You know from reading his book winners manual, and obviously talking to a player like yourself, that, live that, you know what, like how does that conversation come up when you're talking to other NFL players because you're, you're all of a sudden, you're getting with a group of guys that are coming from all over the country. Right. So many different programs. Yeah. A lot of guys had different experiences some that similar with, with their coaches and their schools or something like that, different experience. I mean, you got NFL there's no, there's no discrimination when it comes to what school, you're gonna come from you guys coming from little from smaller schools beat three school. You got guys coming from the biggest university's good football fan basketball team that is really diverse in that aspect. But I'm yeah. Now, I'd had so many different experience. And I know a lot of God would say, you know, I wish I went through school. I, I'd say guy like trust. I mean that's just the reality of it. Not everybody was would they would benefit for that type coaching. It, it did, I would say it helped God in different ways like some guys didn't have that type of leadership. But they they, they kind of glued up early. They kind of had to, to make it to the NFL. They have to kind of find their way and grow up a little bit sooner and that allowed them. What let me gotten in an already have that kind of driving focus to, you know, be able to, to dictate their all scheduled to not have to rely on the coast to direct them in any in any way. But I know for me. I think the biggest thing translated for me is to be able to understand football with football. And there is life outside of that, that you need to make sure that you business. Okay. While you also improving yourself on. Absolutely. Well, like you're saying there's a lot of different ways to get there. You might be fortunate to how someone like trussell on your life, and other people might have been unfortunate to have someone else excuse me, but there's different ways to get there. Like you said, those that, you know, see the obstacle that may be in their way they can overcome that by, like you said growing up early, and there's a couple of things I want to touch on in a minute. We're getting a transition a little bit. But comparison, right. So I think we got to end the debate once and for all you, you're from New Orleans, and you lived in Florida, are you? Yeah. You played high school ball and Florida. You come to Ohio State, and so you've seen it right. You've seen football on some of the biggest of the best states that are known out there. And we talk about whose debut all ultimately, who is DVU LSU is obviously talked about a lot of high state another some schools in Florida. Maybe somewhere out in Texas, and California wanna claim that, but you've seen them all up close. So let's end that debate right now who is DVU. Definitely stay without question. If I was if I was to choose the second school, I would probably lean for Texas. And that may be interacting with a lot of guys who went to Texas, but outside of their house Fay. That's what that. Yeah. I mean so I'm. Spoken care. No comparison, so, and I agree because I'm from Buffalo New York. And remember the days when Antoine Winfield Nate Clements, come along and it seemingly, like constantly every year, you know someone like us there a lot of recent draft picks. Marshon Lattimore Denzel ward and just go pick a name from year. Right. And you're gonna find someone who just athlete talent. You know, technical skill you all these different things. What is it about Ohio State, that's turning out year after year? Incredible defensive backs. I think so there's some things one is recruiting well, so good for our day. Part of it is development. I think one thing, especially playing corner, you need to be self aware understand what in anything you do. But so much at the point about the in, because there's there's, there's a coaches to tell you what you need to do on the field like this is what you're supposed to be at this being. There's so many nuances and gray area when it comes to tame corner where you can't necessarily coach everyone the same like people move differently than react differently. So you have to figure out how you're gonna play this position best. What's fits you? How should you or your Strathspey? How would you react to certain things? And I think just being smart player helps you understand yourself and develop in that way, so that you'd be able to maximize your full potential. I think like me mop drinking's, who we were fairly five star guys. All right. So we're a guy that people would have projected forward to, to be on America's make it today and Phil, but we had great Qatar's careers. And I think part for that is coaching other the main take the coaching can then apply say, okay, this is why the supposed to do. But let me make fit my style of play that I can make sure I'm maximize my value. Absolutely absolutely. You know, it's, it's it seems to me like there's a you have to rise to that level. Right. There's an expectation you show up there. Like you just said, this is DB you and whether you're Texas LSU house later somewhere else, there's an expectation that's put on you. Which is a lot of pressure. You have to deal with as a young man growing up. And but at the same time, it seems like there's a culture of helping everybody out from the coaching staff to the players to even former players. I mean you watch a game on Saturday. And, and like you said, if Malcolm Jenkins or someone like that has an off day in the NFL their possibly coming back in on the sidelines and you see them like helping these guys out if they make a mistake pushing them you. Get back out there, you're going to be okay, and it seems to me like you've got a raise that level, but also not only raising that level. There's a lot of support out there so huge support system at Ohio State. Both wh you know, when you come there and then after you leave and to me, it seems like this culture is incredible. And you turn on like the the spring game. I mean so many former players are coming back and just still a part of it. They don't leave and just leave forever there there you up fraternity, if you will of just guys wanna support each other. But at the same time you have to raise your own level to get to that level to stay there and into be part of that, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the torches Pez when, when you're at that point, where you're taking it over you have to I mean, you see, you know, the guys who came before you see you see everybody's pictures and stuff. Hanging up. You watch their film. He takes part of what they've done and try to add it to your game and you try to raise your level, and then other things is competition. You know you gotta a Greg guy guys don't see the field. We'll probably be honest, and started other schools. So we get that type of competition in a lot of the data figure it out or the best guy that Terachi top and breezy. He's kind of player that come out of welfare. So you transition like you said, you're coming to a house state was a big transition in, but there's also the transition from college to the NFL and we're going to go we're going to bounce around here a little bit. But transitioning from Ohio State to the NFL around that time, Ohio State was going through some stuff, and I don't know if you can speak on any of this, because you've already spoken about what an important person, Jim tressel was in your life, and it was disappointing. I think for a lot of Ohio State fans that the media just decided in the NCA decided that we're gonna make we're going to we're going to put Ohio State in a bad light. And maybe some, some stakes were made and all that, but it was disappointing from the standpoint of you hear what you have to say about someone like Jim tressel, how disappointed were you in all that went on and all the chatter that you hear behind the scenes of people who really just don't know what they're talking about. It was just the point. I mean, it it's one of those things in the media, I mean, whatever gonna drive traffic with whatever's going to drive viewers. It's what they do. So. But you can turn on something big something. Great. I mean when when things on good, build them up, because when they get a lot of yours, and then if we see something that can, what does a little bit of smoke, and we can make something of they take that opportunity. It was very disappointing for me, because I mean, if you really step back and look at what actually happen, and let that really does the true detail what happened and thought about it in terms of being being a part of the NCWA and what's happening in the way it starts your. You'll be like, yeah, this is this is really a non issue. Now, if a role was broken the roads, broken right. That, that has to be carried out, however your rules are, but the way it the way. A fire in the media was traded to a point where, you know, people were reported hitting me up on Facebook and ask me questions. Like for what happened today that you can tell me in our I'm like nothing. You know, there's nothing use that hap-. There's no big story. It was just this, this is very, very small thing in the grass gaming thing. So I was very disappointed never changed the way I feel about Trump and trestle at all the behind this. I was it kind of hurt me that he had to go through all that stuff. But I mean that's, that's, that's what the media does. That's, that's the way it is. And then the day perception is reality. So if your house taste, always in those about something negative all this what it is mess story gonna be taking on a proportion. That's right. I mean sports media is in, in many times. It's not everybody. Right. But it's click bait and then. You get the court of public opinion where they forced the issue to say. Well, everyone got so excited because finally Ohio states out of the picture, we can eliminate them because they're done. And, you know, for for a minute that kind of happened, it seemed like but then it changed again. So trust is gone onto amazing amazing things. He's a leader you hear him talking like you said, former players on podcast. And, you know, he's on social media sharing his wisdom. And I think we're all lucky that he's still doing those things in obviously you you've you've lived with it, but then urban Meyer and you're, you're gone at this point, you've gone to the NFL urban Meyer shows up at Ohio State, and it was like, hold on a second. We just as the media in the let's call them the haters of Ohio State. We thought Ohio State was out of the picture. And now you're going to go in and bring in urban Meyer and urban had you know there's a negative perception about him what he did a Florida and how he's grooming his players and, you know, he shows up and I think people who are part of the high state program. Realize men urban is a good guy. Guy, and he's got a lot of good things going on. But there's for whatever reason there's negative perception, followed him in, in the haters, just kind of wanted to continue to bring it down. Have you been around the program while we're you around the program while urban was there? And you know what was your? What is your thoughts on what he was doing? Yeah, I've been around and I mean my thought so either amazing to, to come in recruit. He always recruited will tell you that and then continue to develop players to the type of guys you see going in the first round second round around every year. I thought it was a great job. And he's, I mean he's got a good guy. But leadership position also also getting guys, the necessarily resource and things that need to be able to build up. Their is learning their understanding outside of football, internships, and all those things. So I thought he'd done a great job. And I, I really expect Ryan day to continue that tradition. Yes. So they've had some changes on the defensive side of the ball rights and coaches have come in Jeff half. Louis, not sure if you've any relationship with him in the past, but going to be helping out, obviously with the defensive backs in there. Defense last year. Wasn't I think what you guys would expect it to be? But I would expect a big improvement this year. Have you been around the current crop of defensive backs that are going to be at Ohio State with coach Ryan day, you know, taking on his first year as full-time head coach? I haven't been around the current. So I've been around the guys who, who are fear last year. So not, not the, the, the freshman that have come in, and I haven't been around the new coach and defensive cultures or anything like that, just the guys who were who were here last year, actually coach Johnson was the DB coach last year. Quarterback was last year was my coach back when I played so he, he came in, but they have a new guy there, if I haven't been around his new crop completely the new crop of, of cornerback. But I am always pretentious for him. I thought I thought they as a defense, they underachieve last year. I didn't have I didn't agree with every day. Thing that was done medically. So I'm hoping that, that, that changes and I have real high experts, I think the guys that are they now have a great ability, so we started to see what they do this year. Well, it's interesting that you say that you didn't agree with a lot of things that they were doing with their scheme. And I think a lot of people, you know, whether it's fans and try not to play Monday morning quarterback. But I think there was a big agreement in that way. What is going on, like, why is this happening? Why are they just you know, bussing out eighty are runs like left and right? It almost seemed like I mean this team is too good for that. But that's just it right each. Sometimes it just doesn't work for whatever reason. And there's a lot of moving parts football. I'm always amazed by how a college football program that can have success because there's so much happening in the game of football. I'm eve eleven players on the field for each side. You got coaches, you got people up in the booth. I mean, there's this communication, there's, there's athleticism. There's just there's so much has to go and you live. On the island on the outside playing cornerback. I mean you could be the like you could be the one that makes the mistake everyone else does their job and next thing you know you to the receivers run in for a touchdown in they're all looking at you. I mean, how, how did you live in that world? You know, obviously you've played it for a long time. But there's so much happening in the game of football. How did you deal with that? It really is a challenging yourself. To be the best at that you can really be like I've a lot of time in a while gotta Housego that committed my sense. I only get better. I wanna get a bit. And as long as I'm always getting better, and I'm gonna do my job. And then from there, I kind of the other ten guys do job to make sure that this whole thing works. That's a great thing about football when he got into doing the job. They can really ruining entirely. So you know a lot of times. I don't like the scheme. Do you don't really truly know if he wanted this game, or the one in vigil just not getting to the spot that his supposed to get to? Right. So, yeah. I mean that's, that's pretty much it. Yeah. It's I it applies in business. Right. I mean, we're, we're gonna get into that in a little bit and talk about more in transition and entrepreneurship. But going back to two plane and Ohio State. See you came in. I think your first year was oh, six if I'm not mistaken. That's right. Yeah. So you were there for the one versus two game Ohio State, Michigan was that the craziest environment you'd ever been in a one say when I'm not completely sharing. I've been if you, you it is. Yeah, you things. I mean historically speaking though, I, I was at that game, my father and my brother and my, my parents met at Ohio State, which I was born, right? Into the family of buckeyes, and father always said, this is it man. And if you ever even considered going that team up north school up north, you can just leave right, but we're at six game and just, you know, the history behind it Bodine the day before. I mean just just a crazy. Here to get that anyway. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. And it was and it was my first year freshman my best at first you went by so fast. So it's like I remember like three days for you. I do remember after winning two games. I thought was crazy. When? The thing that I feel and whatever the next year, I remember people picking up grass like they were taking by blocks of grass often the field after the game, take it home. And I remember later on that night going out walking down high street, if somebody walking on the street that night with, with a, a boxing of grass in your hands from the. I thought that might be the craziest thing on the name. Yeah. But that's a high of state, right? And that's the culture and I heard you talking about this as well on, on a podcast where he's just Saturdays in Columbus, high street. It's just gets going early, and it doesn't stop until you know, it doesn't matter what time they gives us a noon game mid afternoon or, you know, my goodness, if it's a Nike forget about it, but. The it's just like how do you explain it, man? Like you show up there and you came from Florida. And like you said he spent time in Louisiana you come up to Columbus. And did you even know what was going on before you ever got there? Like what this craziness called Buckeye nation is all about. I've been fully. No, my, my picture of Columbus, Ohio was so completely messed up. I didn't really know much about Ohio. So Columbus, I there are new Columbus was the capital city. But at the same time I thought it was like, just like a small college town, it didn't really make sense. So I didn't realize how many people were actually incorrupt. So, you know, living in the south college towns, the Gainesville Florida on Saturdays. I mean football is all there is going on in tire place. So you expect everybody to just kinda you spec. The area just sat down for football because it's you know it's a smaller smaller area. But then when you come to Columbus there, there's a lot of people here. Right. And then on, on the Saturday is like it feels like a small town. I feel like everybody is focused on the football game. And it's just amazing to me that how so many people could be on the caller, and we supporting this one thing, and it's it's college football. It's not the professional team, although he would I would argue that. It's more you get more support around house face football, and it's running away smart professionally, I would agree with that. I think there's, there's a few cities in the NFL, and you probably played in different stadiums, and you'll being from buffalo, I think, to support the have is it reminds me almost of a college town, when you show up to Columbus, Ohio state game day, I just I've been all the different places, but I don't know if there's much like it. And I think as a player, I would imagine and you just gotta eat it up in us. You know, it's probably pretty easy to get up on on game day where the scarlet and gray and law. Pressure to live up to the expectations every single year our national championship. I mean first of all, when the big ten you gotta beat Michigan. Right. And it's just you have to beat them because it's going to ruin everybody's year. If you don't, and then you gotta get now you have to get in the playoff which is a little bit for you. But you had to get the BCS yeti in the playoff, you've got to go win the national championship him. He's expectations are enormous. Do you feel that as a player, you know, because I've talked to different people? And everyone's got like you said before some people go to smaller schools they wanted to go to school because they wanted to play right away. Some people want to go to the big schools, because they want to do all that possibly and also have an opportunity to play or win a national championship, but I've talked to players national championship necessarily wasn't what they were all about. There's other things that are going on and incredible experience in college. Like when you're at Ohio State, did you feel that man, we can't lose if we let a bad play happen. That's not good. Let alone losing a game. Or let alone losing to the team up north or possibly not making it too. The ultimate goal because so much that goes on in sports, right? So much go out football. There's a lot there's a lot of ring chasing, perhaps you'd see that in the NBA but it can't just all be about winning championships. I know it is right to some level, but it's that journey. It's at experience. I mean but talking to someone like yourself who's played at high levels in high school college in the NFL talk to a little bit about just the journey in and of itself, and the expectations that you felt as a player playing for how state. Yeah. I think that, that ultimate goal of winning championship, it's time to embedded into the journey for you. So if I. In the summer when I'm lifting weights or doing some type of conditioning. I'm thinking man, I mean to. I need to make sure I get this day, so I can be the type of player is going to be all big ten type caliber player, so I can ultimately be on the big stage when championship and make that big play versus Michigan and stuff like that. So you definitely definitely definitely ultimate goal is kinda it's kind of ingrained into you. Day to day, but they actually tensions. I super high, I think I think a lot of guys who are capable, they don't, don't fully do the things that they're capable capable of because of those pressure because of the expectation that Ohio State, and I think part of the coach's job is to make sure that the player players can understand the goal, but also stay loose. And 'cause it's a lot of guys. And I think coaches can help with recognizing taking a garnered saying, well, there's expectations, but you need to do these specific things they focus on these different things, and you'll be able to reach those heights resuls expectations. But yeah I mean I don't how stay national championship for bus. And if you don't reach that level, that is okay. We gotta be big ten champion that you can't get to there. All right. We gotta be misused, but I remember playing and always feeling like if we lost more than we lost two games, more two games this season. So we, we lost one game like that may not, you know, you want it, especially in my, my time, it was, it was they was no playoff, or anything you want is, like, okay. We're not gonna make it to NASA sex. Now we have to win the big ten and we can't lose lose another game. You lose the game was like, man. And we go. We go back. We watch be walking time. We'd sucked. Yeah. And then I mean, to, you might have an opportunity based on to how things so played out, then the third loss is like, oh man. This is a bad feeling for it. So it was the, the margin of error was so small, and we understood that and we, we embraced it. Yeah. Well, you're there's a few things going on there. First of all, it's individual and you touched on earlier, it's individually. Do your job, right. We talked about that in our business all the time. You know, you can get over, you can get you can over think things because you're trying to do so many other people's jobs. But if you just do the tasks that you're supposed to do and help out where you can help out, you we can get to where we want to go. But first of all, you have to do your job. That's you win the championship. That day. But then, also you're talking about the ultimate goal right being the championship, and that's ingrained in the journey. So you have an eye on that ultimate prize. And then you let's say you lose. That's the three games. Right. So there are failures. There is winning and losing sports. Right. I know we talked about an eighth place trophies and it's kind of crazy. What's society breeds? But there's a team. There's an football game as a team that wins. And there's a team that loses and there might have been banned calls throughout or lucky situations. Who knows? But someone wanted someone lost. Right. But if you had a good season three losses, I get at a house, h like man, we, we did not succeed this year. But you have one loss. Right. You look at the year after. So the I would look at first of all, let's go back. Six you win. You have an incredible season Heisman Trophy quarterback. You go on you beat Michigan. The one verse to I mean that's the game to remember. I get it few. I think it was like six or seven weeks later, which first of all the me is just that was insane at the time, like, hold on house. They be beats Michigan, and you gotta wait. I think they looked at the Philadelphia Eagles played like. Seven or eight games in between when Ohio State played beat Michigan and they had to play Florida for the national championship. I was like, we walked out of that stadium that day and I've not a part of it at all. And I have no idea. I'm like, man. I don't know how you get up after that game again. And you have to wait two months almost to play. And then you go out you lose and it wasn't a great game. I remember Ted gained gets hurt like opening kickoff, and things happen. But like is that an unsuccessful season because you didn't win the national championship? I mean I didn't see it like that at all. Yeah. It's disappointing in the time and it's probably takes a little bit to get over. We're still talking about it today. But do you look back at that moment, and be like, man that was an incredible journey? You guys were on that, that team was on. Did you see that as a negative talk to me about that? A little bit. Well, go to there's alway-. So first season was big ten champion. Cigna season was the ball game and it was hard to hers to really. I mean ultimately, you're like, okay, you want to win the big game when it went to checks. You will hard to merge them together because there were so far apart. And he couldn't even spill your destiny in terms of whether or not you made it to that say somebody selected you. So obviously, you wanting to see at Ohio State you most likely going to make, but there was no guarantee. But then once you lose a game then it's like okay they have to decide so are you start to see the nebula. Okay. Let's, let's take care of the big ten let's BT's people who are the teams right in front of, and then that, that that's over with. And then you have to come off of that season completely take a little bit of a break. And you start working toward see the number two, which was whatever ballgame. You ain't whatever the national championship where all PCS game for championship. So what that next the next big game? So the season when the success would see the number two is not the, the championship game was not a success. And it's really kinda that's how. I. Well, I always looked at it even after the then we had a really good season choice for the Heisman Trophy winner and they're really the season we had a very bad bowl game. And it's only you almost have to separate it because the way it was structured. It was really. So it was it was unlike of a season football game. Because now you're you're preparing for a team for a month with Fisher completely different than the way you know football operate. So that's right. Well, and then it happened the next year and that was crazy because it will annoy. Right. I think Illinois upsets you guys. And at that point, it was like it's over. Right. We're not going to go in and then the last day of the year last day of college football in West Virginia was playing. LSU was down there. Like number six or seven all of a sudden, when that evening when the late games ended a house, it was in right? You guys were in because everyone else had lost salsa and how Sates number one like, hold on. This is crazy. We're having arguments about who number two is how state was on outside looking in that was nuts. Do you remember that? I mean you talk about like, not remember it a lot from early in your college career 'cause I get it because it's probably like so many things are happening. Next thing you know, you're playing in the national championship for LSU where you grew up, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now with your two for me. So I remember everything. Okay. And we we actually watched it. Some games. I think one game was with West Virginia. I think they were playing Pittsburgh. Other game was Arkansas playing LSU. I believe no, not, not Arkansas playing zuri. Maybe that's it. It was very with the other team. It was. Yeah. It was. Two teams that were wanted to flip the junior, I think, with various somebody else that nobody really thought it would be into. Nobody expected those teams that actually being up. There wasn't any was really good there year, Pat white and everything. So we watch both games. I'm just all into the team room. We put the game on big screen, and we're rooting for one of the teams to move both. We were like number thirty or whatever it's a number one, and now we try to figure out, okay? Well, who are we gonna play because I feel like everybody loan. So they're like, of course who he wanted to play. And of course. F. E. C. Straw. We're going to put SEC team in there but yeah, I mean that was my, my restaurant I mean year. So I started in that a massive championship game, and it's weird because the LSU their tendencies all year which I mean you should do, but the tendency all year during the money I really go receiver. Analyst Phil different guys throwing the ball to the audio receivers. They broke that Tennessee, and they really just kinda ran the ball and through the Boston tight end who they never threw the Baltimore here. Yeah. And that really got better of us. Yeah, we'll keep started off. Good. I know. But yeah. I mean it's a crazy time because I remember watching ESPN and, and all the coaches were coming on and the analysts and everyone's like campaigning, they're talking about who should be there. And it's it's in a way it's fun because it's you got to watch it right? Like you guys are sitting there watching were sitting there, watching everyone's watching this is fascinating. We gotta wait like who's going to be? Number two, and who's a house ain't gonna play. And then you look you fast forward to today, a lot of that's happening again. And I think they certainly loved the debate, but to me, it's kinda crazy because football's played on the field like we can say you're an argue all day about who's better and who would win. And, you know, there's a sumptious that there's matter-of-factness of like, well, it's an SEC teams, of course, the SEC team needs to go because they're the best and you know, it's. It's a lot of people who, who don't understand it. And you know, doubt the SEC's very good. But it's kind of crazy to me, right? That that's how we're deciding national champions on not decided the national championship on paper, but who's going to play for it on paper and then we're going to match these two teams up in a game that's going to be a month away. Maybe two months away as a player is. It's frustrating, it's gotta be. Completely spoiled, but I mean you just kinda of to, you know. The flawed system because I mean on the honest, there's no perfect way to do things especially when you got college athletes for amateur. You know if you wanna call them amateur amateur. So you can't you can't have a long playoff where you have guys who came here to go to school can play football. But now you drag on their season and football unique in that it's not like basketball where you can play one day. And then the next day you can put another game you he play a game this week. You left the way the week next game. 'cause you have three cover from all the you know running into each other the week before. So really credit real playoff. I don't think it's it may eventually do it. But I don't think it makes sense. It's right for college football because he's got on getting paid to do this. I mean at some point you gotta limit their gang. So a certain amount of games, they can't play on and on and on. So it's a flaws is a smart way to do things and it's a tough this is being when you're, you're close. But you don't know if you're gonna get there because you can't control it. You can do everything right on the field. You can win all of the games is supposed to win. Imagine who I, I don't know. I think it was UCF when year when they won I think they went undefeated to game now. And from there. They just went to a ballgame. It's like. We, we did everything with opposed to do. We beat everybody that put in front of lists. And we don't have even the option is foregone conclusion before we even step on the field that we can't make it to play off. They may end up doing a good job and beating a big school in the bowl game. But it's like it doesn't matter would they've already decided that we can't make it. So it's definitely floor away. But then I mean, life is slow I can only control what you can control it then day. So that's the way it is. It is. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean so this is a few things there, too. So first of all going back a little bit. You compartmentalize it. I love how you explain that. So you say we had a successful season and we had this next season in we did not have a successful season. So what can we do to get better from there? And I think we can cut mental is a different things. You can have failures. Right. I think it's okay to lose their in recognize that loss in get better for. And then looking at will we get in the NCAA in a second. Just amateur. Athletic says a whole. A flawed system. What are you gonna do about it, because you Jim to you can't be it'll house as well. This is a flight, you, you might build a change at down the road and people get to go. So we gotta change this. But in the moment, the rules are the rules. What are you going to do about it? And you just have to play with it. Like you said, do what you can control. And I'm, I'm sure that's what coach trussell was talking a lot about of we can only control. What's in front of us? We do the best that we can with that in the week. Let the chips fall where they may. Right. And that's, that's the way it's the only way to look at it because if not you just drive yourself crazy. I know it drives fans crazy, but, but you're saying like we're gonna play out they're going to push. We're going to go to eighteen. We'll go to sixteen teams. It's like if you watch in the NBA final's just ended it when record in this last night. And I mean you've had these guys have been playing basketball for so long. And now you got to their best players in the league that are basically gone for a year, and it's crazy down. I don't know if that's the reason why they got hurt because they've been playing so many so much basketball over the years. But that's basketball you talk about football and you're having to play games against. Teams that really probably shouldn't even be on the field against, you know, I've seen this in your like this quarterbacks going to get killed because the entire defensive line for how states going to be in the NFL one day, and this guy six four one one hundred eighty pounds and he's not gonna survive this game. But again it because if his program doesn't play and get to show up to the shoe, they're not getting the big payday that they need to even keep the program going and get state's got an incredible brand, and they will always seems like always have incredible brand, but you guys are amateurs. Right. You're not getting paid a dollar for this and you know there's, there's a lot of frustrations on a walking around campus. And you see all the Ohio State gear, you know, down high street and, and all that. And not one play in this across the country that gets anything for it, and it's difficult because again, like we talked about the top all before there's a lot of diversity, and people coming from all different walks of life to complete college football. Did you focus on that at all it, Ohio State, or were you just really focus on your craft and say, man, this is amateur sportsman this is? This is more than you realize it later. Right. This is more NFL than maybe the NFL is at times. Yeah. I think at the time. I mean, when you I think, for me, personally, I always speak to my personal experience. I was in a unique position in that of recognize that if I play well, I will go, I will go to the NFL planning how state play quarterback of the house state guys before me do. Well started for our state. They went to NFL so it's not just the same thing. I was in for me. It was a big opportunity, huge opportunity to be able to do something that I kinda dreamed about. So that was really my full focus and I got closer to being in that position where I was going to be able to get drafted. I became upperclassmen, senior we that's when I started to kinda see, you know, we're bringing a lot of a lot of money to house, their, you know, my jerseys being so currently at one in all of the senior my journey. Beaming is in stores right now. I'm not getting any revenue from that. So you, you see Terrell Pryor jersey being auctioned off on online, and I'm thinking, wow, jersey went through that much with how, how states getting the money for that and they and then all the stuff comes out about the tattoos and teepee selling his jersey for like, I don't know, like a hundred dollars or something, I don't know. And they used to go back. Well, he's a soda d'orleans for enough enough to get a steak dinner. I just saw jersey get auctioned off online for way, more than that, and it I know that's one the stuff gone. I started opening my eyes and we'll be more. But. Like like I said before, that's, that's the current system, you want to do you want those things to change. We have to at the time. You know, you have to do the pay that you can control. You make the most of how the game that set up because when football there's rule that you have a corners me, specifically like this past experiences that are caught it. I don't ever. That's certainly agree with. But I understand this is how they're going to call it. So I need to make sure that play according to what how the game is being called so the same way life. I mean some of these roles don't make sense to me, some of the stuff that doesn't make sense. But life is never fair. So you gotta understand the game. And, and try to make sure that you maximize your, your time it'll house state in other ways to set yourself up for a life after football. I mean, the, the mindset you have is, is amazing in just to hear you talk. And it's why it's so important for, you know, you're out there in the community. You're sharing your message. It's like you got to live with it and move on. And you see it all the time like you said on the field. It's just it could be twenty. Pass play. They throw interference flag and you're like what I didn't do anything. You know how are we throwing this flag those third and ten? And now they got I down or are you serious? And that could change the outcome of the game. Or maybe not change the outcome. But it could lead to possibly a different outcome things play out in dealing with the frustrations, like you had it Ohio State, and seeing that with Terrell Pryor and, and what he had to go through. You seen it before. And there's a store in talk about Michigan -sarily, but it was like the story of Chris Webber walking down the street after they had lost a championship, and he sees his jersey in the store, and he's like this is crazy, man. Like they're making all this money, and I get nothing and the assistant coach is like, and he was gone as soon as he saw that it was over and you hear those stories over and over again. But that's what you have to live with, like you said, because those are the rules that are in place. So you're there at Ohio State and social media was really starting to come about. Like it just was kick. And if I'm not mistaken, the iphone two thousand seven comes about, and I think today, especially over the last few years at least college athletes, have this incredible opportunity. Because if you played Ohio State you got, like how many people fit in the horseshoe right now, one hundred and five hundred ten thousand and you got fans all across the globe. Really and you can interact with them now, one to one it's no different than how we connected on linked in, like, man. I just see the good that you're doing. We just have a connection there. We start messaging each other. He wanna podcast chassis L. Let's do it and it's, you know, we never have this conversation if it's not for linked in, if it's not for social media. And I think if you, if you can take the mindset that you have like listen. We're not going to change the NCAA today. Hopefully it changes because it needs to Amateur Athletics is kind of, in many ways, it's a very flawed system. But at the same time, there's an opportunity. For college athletes to brand themselves while they're in school because when they come out if they get the good advice when they come out of school man, they're still fans. Like I guarantee if I go, how safe fans are gonna know exactly who you are. And they're gonna remember you there and they're gonna remember the teams that you played on. Did you get involved with social media? Was it? Facebook, obviously, was the ones you probably had a Facebook account at that time. But did you did you did you deal with that social me at all? While you're at Ohio State. And when I when I was there it social media just kinda got going, and I think I got on Twitter. Maybe my Julius on, I sure I don't think I got on Instagram unless this ago. Oh, yeah. That was a few. Yeah, I even think I got on Instagram at all. And I remember at that time, our coaches and staff or so antisocial media that time because they already saw with, as a, a way that guys could get in trouble. Somebody's gonna post something that they imposing it'd be on the news. So that energy kind of got most guys can most guys away from doing too much. Also, some hero communicating too much people in social media. And then also, you know, just being being more new. You know, you get negative comments on there, so you wanted to stay away from that stuff too. So I mean, we also have Facebook we didn't really get to active on social media nowadays. You got you know, guys in college. You get cutting their in a game. Now, you probably gain yourself five thousand followers. He's is it's amazing how it is. And it's just one of those things where okay you not able. To to maximize your brand while you're while you're playing before. But now especially they gave it gives you that avenue. So it is definitely something that they should be Coniston of, and there's understand, like, you know, I can, I can gain the influence right now if I'm interactive with with my fans and, and maintain that influence, after I'm done so, yeah, definitely a great opportunity for guys currently. Yeah. Absolutely. Take advantage of it. I, I still think there's an opportunity for even players like yourself you have been at Ohio State in a while. But you very recognizable within Ohio states community in your obviously doing a lot of great things and being an entrepreneur, because I think that I'm seeing a lot of that whether it's on social media or just in general. You know, you hear about what Jim tressel, did you hear about what coach or mired it, and it's, it's football's, obviously, the driver of all of it, but there's a lot of other things that happen after and then you go to the NFL touch on this. You go the Oakland Raiders draft in the fourth round. And, you know, you, you tell the story real quick because you're NFL career can end for many different reasons. You know there's just constantly new guys coming in. You might be getting a little bit older. And there's obvious the obvious one, which is an injury. And I believe I heard you tell the story on your video that you were playing against buffalo and Utah your hamstring, and that was it sounded like maybe I'll man can you get back to because you're very athletic player. Right. Can you get back to where you were? But that's just the thing like you go from college to the NFL, and it's you might not even go from college NFL. You might be very good college player. You don't make it to the NFL, but then you do make it the NFL, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're guaranteed a fifteen year career. Right. Things change, and I mean, I think the average lifespan. Right. Is what two to three years in the NFL. Is that what happened is that? Did you have an injury? I think it was a special teams play if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was like the final nail but really from formal house day going. I had a they should I didn't really know about until probably my last year. Both my hipbones guy hip impingement, and that limitation developing limitation stressed everything else, and over time. You know, my niece started talking about it 'cause he's not supposed to move is not supposed to compensate for the hit and hit supposed to having more. They the most in needs to be more stable, and then with my, you know, knee injury, he started falling in the need that full in the need affecting my half candidate. Then you mentioned that tend to be tough for that's kinda the progression. Right. I started in college, and then it kinda follow me into the. But yeah, I mean that's just the reality of it. You, you, you really don't know because nationally coming out of college, what type of NFL career? I wanna tell you, I I'm going to be the best corner in without question. Because I with the contact with confidence, I had at that time I didn't realize, you know, that the issues are had also that stuff you, you don't know, for sure about those things until you, you're under the pressure in here, going through the distress of NFL season over and over again. But, but yeah, I mean that's kind of what it was. But I, I always I always reminded myself or told myself in NFL is going to be a head start for me. That'd be head start. They're going to be a lot of life after football. I'm gonna I'm gonna have more life not playing football than I did did play football. So I need to make sure that, that I, I put that same energy into doing everything else, whether it's being father or husband or whatever, because they're saying that you did before. I love that, man. And I see it. When I read about you see your video, and I'm talking to you in that you saw it as this is an opportunity. This is a head start. And I'm gonna do all these other things. Like you said, you got married, you have a daughter you started these businesses. You're part of the community and talk about real quick about your pit barbecue grill you go out there and, and what I love about it is, we want to be a part of the Columbus community. It's not just a restaurant, we get, of course, that goes without saying it's more than that. And I think you're, you're creating that if I'm not mistaken, and when I come back, and we usually try to get up to Columbus, at least once maybe not twice if we can twice a year. We're coming to the pit barbecue grill, man. But. What was that, like, how did you decide to start a restaurant? I mean obviously from New Orleans and foods foods, a big deal right there. Right. So you come to chorus is that like, because it's it's ingrained in you. I think when I was in college, I feel like there was some restaurants missing. So I have some, some things that I would have liked to see. So I kind of had in the back of my mind talking friends, but we should probably try to restaurant here, something that we like something we think, other individuals with Mike, something that was similar to restaurants that we who are going to, and new community enjoy. But then I kinda shifted to one doing franchise and going through that franchise process. Reminded me why we wanted to do our own thing and beginning because it wasn't there was no connection. There was nothing that we felt really connected us to the community and try to we really proud us. So then, that's when we just decided to try something, and, you know, be honest, we've never done, it restaurant before anything like this. So, you know, we recognized that this may not work restaurants. The restaurant business is that posted being guaranteed to be successful. But we decided we do our way. We're gonna make you a community thing gonna make sure you put it in the community that we care about. We didn't necessarily if, if somebody was insane. It's not the best location to put his restaurant. You didn't necessarily pick the best location. Well, we take the location that meant the most us at that time. And we think that in that type of focus. Really kind of helped us because it allowed in community, to wanna support and from there just to try to continue to grow. And you have, so you have the restaurant and you have other things going on in going back to what you said. Like you, you looked at the opportunity of building a franchise. But you saw I think this is one the Toronto for news coming out, like, no, no, that's not for me. I'm gonna go out here to build this and you know what if it's going to be my fault, and I'm going to deal with it. And you're gonna put yourself out there and I love that. And so we did. And that's why it's just when you see something like that, that's out there. And there's a there's a like mindedness. That's why we love having these types of conversations. So the pit barbecue grill. Is in a way you have a daughter, but it's another. It's another baby. It's another. It's a business, but it under so much that you're probably putting into that. But you have other things going on as a true, entrepreneur would talk to me a little bit about what else you're doing in the business community. Yeah. So I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure that focus myself. And one thing about being for newer is a lotta time. You see a lot of good opportunities to use for you. But one thing, I'm passionate about in the San community. What we built the Bill. We opened a restaurant, I wanted to develop new, new bills, do build homes, and I'm working on I wanted to be affordable homes and the thing about the Columbia market. Very you understand the way, Columbus is going, a lot of volume these, these homes are, are, are going up within in the in the city, inner city, Columbus. And this area is also gonna continue to to go up go up in price. A lot of people out of purchasing these homes so before that happens. I want to develop some new new bills allow. Individuals to get in now and purchase these homes and purchase them brand new homes and be able to ride that wave as Columba's market continues to go up. Yes. I mean it sounds like you're giving back a lot of the community. I know you've done some stuff with helping you know, middle school and high school kids at risk at risk use an in giving back to the community that way as well. I mean just you recognizing that you do have influence that you had an opportunity to play football at Ohio State, and you had an opportunity then to take that to the NFL, and then you realize that, that was the headstart to then lead you to the man, you got your whole life ahead of you. Right. I mean. NFL career commander professional career can end. But you're just getting started. I'm blown away by the mindset because it's powerful and it could lead to a many to many amazing things. There's a lot of people transitioning from professional sports or early on career type stuff that they have to then go out in become almost like you said like the real world perhaps what advice do you have for NFL players like yourself that are maybe still in their career? Like, what can they be doing today to set themselves up or that transition to move in up because it can't be easy? Right. It's, it's not easy for anyone. I don't think from going from college to play professionally, you're just going out into the real world at that point is not an easy thing. It's just a man. It's a wakeup call. But if your mind is set before and you understand what you opportunities are head of you. Wow. There's a lot of stuff that you can do, and you're gonna learn along the way. I mean that's what it sounds like you've done. It wasn't just like a perhaps a light went off. But there's a lot of things that you had to do to get your mind ready to get to that point to then build the restaurant and, and Bill. Working on these homes and all the other things that you have going on. What advice would you give to professional athletes today to like man, because I'd say this talk to someone like Jim de because he's doing a lot of good right now. Yeah. I, I think every athlete understands gang playing right? I understand the game plans. And in context of sports. It makes perfect sense that if, if we could tell you that same approach to everything outside of sports. I think that would be probably my best life to be able to say okay, this is what I wanna do in life. This is the de LA two categories and the things that are most important to me. And I listened what's most important to me. And now I need to make sure that I try to play to improve in attaining things, I want to attain outside of whatever my respective sporty. And if I prayed that plan. I'm not going to be able to perfectly execute that plan. So when I have those failures on miss opportunities, I do things that I recognize weren't the best way to do them. I look at that and say, how can I get better for in, in football on sports? We, we watch ourselves. We were self-aware. We understand. Are we didn't execute his game plan properly? What did we do? Wrong. What was what was wrong? What do we need to change? If we did those same things, and all the other categories that are important to us in our in our lives. We were also improve in those areas, which would make us more complete as an individual and as we continue to build up ourselves. We also should. Grow our community build up, our community connect with, like minded individuals connect with, like minded people, I may be an NFL player, and I might be one of the, the best at what I do find somebody who's the best that real estate find somebody who's the best that restaurants somebody while I do have this ability to connect with in with people because of what I'm doing make sure you connect with some of the people who are the best at what they do. So that while you're while you're going as a athlete they helping you grow as a, a entrepreneur, and whatever else. Whatever else you're you, you, you focus on. What you what you wanted to do outside of your sport. And if you're able to build up yourself and build up your community, once you get done. There's a lot of opportunity out there. Prepare for it should be what you just shared right there. I mean, that's what it's all about. And. I think professional athletes that you here. I think just any professional needs to hear it. And I'm just I'm honored that you're able to come on and in spend this time with us talking about this. I wish you nothing with all that you have going on. I hope we can stay connected when what would say when are come to Columbus. I'm with my family were coming to the pit barbecue grill. What's the where so tell so someone's is listening right now? They want to go get something to eat today or in the future wears the pit barbecue grill. And also, what's the best way? People can can connect with you. So the pit barbecue grill is in the Northern Lights shopping center that addresses three five four or five Cleveland avenue. Anybody somebody with Columbus? It's awful Cleveland avenue about a mile south of Morse road. So if you if you know, if you're familiar with come on, you know, or more serious, yes, get to Cleveland and more than go about a mile south is. It's right there northern like shocking Senate the best way to connect with me. I'm on Facebook Twitter Instagram, on Instagram on Chinshek thirty five on the Twitter chimp chick. I mean that's. That's the best way to reach out to me. Connect me follow me. And yeah, I just could be continuing. They're trying to better myself every day. We see it, and I see you right in for Letterman row. I see you have conversations about talking about the house the football program. You're talking about your restaurant helping the community being a true entrepreneur spending time with us on this podcast. Man. I'm just. Just grateful. Like I said that you gave us all this time to chat with us. And like I said, hopefully, we can continue to stay in touch. And we'll be watching absolately everything that you have going on. But. Awesome talking to you go box. And thanks again, man. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me, go. But. Jimmy. It has been absolutely awesome. Having you on this podcast because of your passion in lessons, and sports and entrepreneurship, we're all better off from the time we spent with you, the perspectives from chimney on constant improvement are no perspective, you the business leader can use for yourself and for that chimney. Thank you. And for anyone looking to talk to chimney about his football or entrepreneurial journey. We encourage you to reach out to him. And if you're in Columbus or heading to Columbus, be sure to stop by chimneys restaurant the pit barbecue grill. If you have questions feel free to reach out to meteorically you can find me on Lincoln or contact me on Twitter at Eric underscore cast. Thank you for listening to the sports e preneurs podcast, the podcast for sports in entrepreneurship collide now go get it.

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Ohio State Buckeyes to NFL to Entrepreneurship with Chimdi Chekwa

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Ohio State Buckeyes to NFL to Entrepreneurship with Chimdi Chekwa

"Welcome to the PODCAST entrepreneur perspectives building in protecting your business one podcast of time a cat source family production in this episode. We discussed life in the N._F._l.. Sports Business in the Ohio state buckeyes culture. This podcast exists in large part because of Casio the content marketing business inside cat source inc calcium is excited to bring the content marketing services use it to you learn more by visiting calcium dot com. Our guest is Jimmy. Check Wa current N._F._l.. Free Agent and entrepreneur endure chimney is a former Ohio state Buckeye football player in current Entrepreneur Zik Co owner of the pit Barbecue Grill in Columbus Ohio. He also has his hands in other ventures that we touch on in this chap. You may remember chimney from his the Ohio state buckeyes where he was a first team. All American cornerback back after college chimney was drafted in the fourth round by the Oakland Raiders in two thousand eleven N._F._l.. Draft through much perseverance and motivation chimney gives us insight around why he is so passionate about sports and entrepreneurship chimneys examples of self-awareness inconstant improvement run full display in our chat because incredible mindset desire to succeed has a so excited to feature him on this podcast and anytime I get a chance to talk Buckeye football I'm taking it was so much to talk about. Let's get right into this episode and welcome Ohio State Buckeye Great Chimney Hindi Check wa I heard you on being wells and boom herons podcast and you guys were talking about the days playing with coach trestle incredible. I think it's been an incredible run. I mean Ohio State's been on incredible run on for decades of course but when trussell got here I think the culture change even more. I mean just obviously looking at how how states handling plane Michigan and beating Michigan seems like almost every time they go out but there's a culture there and just talk a little bit about that because you came early on. I think Chessel had been here for years but you came here early on when coach Trestle got here talk a little bit about what coach Trussell means to you as a person person and as a player yeah I think trump was just a good leader leader man or at least a leader of war is transitioning into you. Come in man you did a good job of of instill in in US what what's important reminded us what's important <hes> giving us tool of on how to <hes> actually maintain our focus and kind of cut the law the distractions and stuff that are out there <hes> and the honest you know coming from high school to allow state <hes>. I just just on just knowing trust on pretty much is coast that that type of leadership <hes> was kind of what I thought every player Tad every coast did but wasn't until I got failed and Kinda <hes> was away from trestle for a lot I realized he was unique in that not only that he also did a great job connecting people and <hes> connected with <hes> failures families and remembering everything about their families and that friend that's like that so <hes> he'll unique in that you really know how to connect with individuals and I think that healthy my house stated after I'm sure and so like you go to the N._F._l.. And you're having conversations with guys and practice and you're sitting down for dinner and they're probably asking about your experience at Ohio state so what did what other people go through the just not have that type of leadership at their school because I think so many people took for granted you know people on the outside. I'm talking about of what a coach Jim Tressel could mean to due to the to the to the program and two players like yourself and I think it's a great point because you don't know unless you're in there and then hearing you tell the story some years later manages makes you look back in always admired word coach trestle from reading his book the winters manual and obviously talking to a player like yourself that live that you know what like how does that conversation come up when you're talking to other N._F._l.. Players because you're you're all of a sudden you're getting with a group of guys that are coming from all over the country right so many different programs yeah yeah a lot of guys had different experiences some that's similar <hes> with with their coaches and their schools are sub guys that experience. I mean you got N._F._l.. There's no discrimination when it comes to what school you're GonNa come from even got guys coming from little from smaller schools d three school. You've got guys coming through the biggest <hes> universities <hes> good football fan baffled what team what is it is really diverse that aspect but I'm yeah I'd have so many different experience and I know a lot of God would say I wish I went to play for guy like trust. <hes> I mean there's just reality of it. Not Everybody was would they would benefit for that type coaching <hes> it it did I would say help God and different way like some guys didn't have that type of <hes> leadership but they they they kind of glue early. They kind of had uh to make it to the N._F._l.. They have to kind of find their way and grow up a little bit sooner and that allowed them when they got in there for already have that kind of driving focus too you know be Vienna to dictate their all scared did not have to rely on the coast to direct them leading were and then in any way but I know for me I think the biggest thing <hes> translated for me is to be able to understand football with football and there is life outside of that that you need to make sure that's why you also improving yourself on absolutely will like you're saying there's lots of different ways to get there. You might be fortunate to how someone like Trussell on your life and other other people might have been unfortunate to have someone else. Excuse me but there's different ways to get there like you said those that you know see the obstacle that may be in their way they can overcome that by like you said growing up early and there's a couple of things I wanNA touch on in a minute weren't getting a transition a little bit but comparison right so I think we got to end the debate once and for all you you're from New Orleans and you lived in Florida are you you played high-school ball and Florida you come to Ohio State and so you've seen it right right. You've seen football on some of the biggest in the states that are known out there and we talk about whose debut all ultimately who is d._V._U.. L._S._U. is obviously talked about a lot Ohio state another some schools in Florida. Maybe somewhere out in Texas in California. WanNa claim that but you've I've seen them all up close so let's end that debate right. Now who is d._V._U.. Is definitely stay without question if I was if I choose a second school I would probably lean for Texas Texas. <hes> maybe because interacting with a lot of guys who went to Texas but <hes> outside of that say that's without question yeah I mean so I'm no comparison so and I agree because I'm from Buffalo New York and remember the days when Antoine Winfield nate clements come along and it seemingly like constantly every year you know someone like us there a lot of recent draft picks Marshon Lattimore Denzel Award and you go pick a name from a year right and you're gonna find someone who just athlete talent you know technical skill you all these different things. What is it about Ohio state? That's you know turning out year after year incredible defensive backs I think so there's some things one is recruiting well so good for us day. Part of it is development. I think <hes> one thing especially playing corner you need to the self-aware understand. We're what's and anything you do but so much at the point about position because there's there's. There's a coaches to tell you what you need to do on the field right this is what you're supposed to be a being but there's so many nuances and gray area when it comes to corner where you can't necessarily coach everyone in the same like people move differently than react differently so you have to figure figure out how you're going to play this position best. What fits you how should you be? How should you react to certain things and I think <hes> just being smart player? Helps you understand yourself and develop in that way that you'd be able to maximize your full potential. I think like me Michael Jenkins who we were if <hes> five star guys right so we're a guy that people would have rejected for two to be all Americans and make it to the N._F._l.. <hes> but we had great careers and I think depart for that is <hes> coaching other parties main. Take the coaching and then apply say okay this is supposed to do but let me make fit the style of play that can make sure maximum value absolutely absolutely you know it's it seems to me like there's a you have to rise to that level right. There's an expectation you show up there like you said this is whether you're at Texas L._S._U.. Ohio state or somewhere else there's an expectation that's put on you which is a lot of pressure you have to deal with as a young man growing up and but at the same time it seems like there's a culture of helping everybody out from that coaching staff to the players to even former players. I mean you watch a game on Saturday Saturday and like you said if Malcolm Jenkins or someone like that has an off day in the N._F._l.. There possibly coming back and on the sidelines and you see them like helping these guys out. If they make a mistake you know pushing them. You get back out there. You're going to be okay and it seems to me like you got to raise that level will but also not only raising that level. There's a lot of support out there so huge support system at Ohio state. Both you know when you come there and then after you leave and to me it seems like this culture is incredible and you turn on the the spring game. I mean so many former players these are coming back and just still a part of it. They don't leave and just leave forever there there. You Got Fraternity. If you will of just guys WANNA support each other but at the same time you have to raise your own level to get to that level to stay there into be part of that right yeah yeah I mean <hes> The torch passed when when you're at that point where you're taking it over you have to. I mean you see you know the guys who came before you see you see everybody's <hes> pictures and stuff hanging up you watch their film. He takes part of what they've done and try to edit to your game and you try to raise your level and then other things it's competition. <hes> you know you get a great guy guys. This is honestly the field <hes> we'll probably be honest and started other schools so <hes> we get that type of competition in a lot of the the data figure it out the best guy that Terachi top and breezy kind of player Komo state so you transition like you said you're come into a house st there's a big transition and <hes> but there's also the transition from college to the N._F._l.. And and we'RE GONNA go. We're GONNA bounce around here a little bit but transitioning and from Ohio state to the N._F._l.. Around that time in Ohio state was going through some stuff and I don't know if you can speak on any of this because you've already spoken about what it important person Jim Tressel was in your life and was disappointing. <hes> I think for a lot of Ohio state fans that the media just decided in the N._C._A._A.. DECIDED THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA put Ohio state in a bad light and maybe some some mistakes were made and all that but was disappointing from the standpoint of you hear what you have to say about someone like Jim Tressel. How disappointed were you in all that went on and all the chatter that you hear behind the scenes of people who really just don't know what they're talking about? It was disappointed. I mean it's one of those things in the media. I mean whatever's GONNA drive traffic. Whatever's going to drive viewers what they do so but you can turn on something big something great I mean when when things are gonNA build them up because we didn't get a lot of viewers and then if we see something <hes> that can what does a little bit of smoke and we can make something <hes> they take that opportunity? It was very disappoints me because I mean if you really step back and look at what actually happened and let that <hes> really does the true detail what happened and thought about it in terms of being being part of N._C._W._a.. And what's happening in the S._E._A.. Hey you'll be like yeah this is this is really a non issue now. If Roy was broken the roads broken right that that has to be carried out however your rules are <hes> but the way it it the way to fire an immediate was traded to a point where you know people were reported him up on facebook and actually questions like so what happened say that you can tell me and I'm like nothing you know. There's nothing <hes> use that HAP- There's no big story it was just this <hes>. This is very very small thing in the grass game and things so I was very disappointed. <hes> never changed the way I foot about Shrestha trestle at all <hes> the behind this I was it. Kinda hurt me that he had to go through all that stuff but I mean that's that's. That's what the media does. That's that's the way it is and it's Dan today. Procession is reality so if your house as always in the news about not something negative regardless of what it is <hes> less store to be taken well known a proportion. That's right. I mean sports. Media is in many times. It's not everybody right but it's click bait and then you get the court of public opinion opinion who are they forced the issue to say well. Everyone got so excited because finally Ohio states out of the picture we can eliminate them because they're done and you know for for a minute that kind of happened it seemed like but then it changed again so truffles cels gone on to do amazing amazing things he's a leader you hear him talking like you said former players on podcast and you know he's on social media sharing his wisdom and I think we're all lucky that he still doing those things and obviously you you've you've lived with it but then urban Meyer and you're you're gone at at this point gone to the N._F._l.. Urban Meyer shows up and Ohio state and it was like hold on a second we just as the media in the let's call them. The haters of Ohio State. We thought Ohio state was out of the picture and now you're GonNa go in and bring in urban Meyer and urban had there's a negative perception about him what he did a Florida and how he's grooming his players and you know he shows up and I think people who are part of the highest state program realize man urban is a good guy and he's got a lot of good things going on but there's for whatever reason there's negative perception followed him in the in the haters. Just kinda wanted to continue to bring it down <hes>. Have you been around the program while we're you around the program while urban. was there and you know what was your. What are your thoughts on what he was doing? Yeah I've been around <hes> and I mean my thoughts are either amazing to <hes> to come in recruit. You always clear will tell you that and then <hes> develop players <hes> to the type of guys you see going in the first round second round around every year <hes> I thought it was a great job and he's I mean he's not a good guy but leadership position also also getting guys the necessarily resource for things that need to be there. They're learning their understanding outside of football internships and all those things so <hes> I thought he's done a great job and I really expect Ryan Day to continue the tradition yes so they've had some changes on the defensive side of the ball rights and coaches have come in Jeff half -ly not sure if you've any relationship with him in the past but going to be helping out obviously with defensive backs and their defense last year wasn't. I think what you guys would expect it to be but I would expect a big improvement this year. Have you been around the current. You know crop of defensive backs that are going to be at Ohio State with coach Ryan Day you know taking on his first year as fulltime on head coach. I haven't been around the current so I've been around the guys who who are here last year <hes> so not not the <hes> the the freshman that have come in and I haven't been around around the new coach defensive <hes> cultures or anything like that just the guys who are who are here last year actually coach Johnston D._b.. Coach last year quarterback was last year was my coach back. When I played allstate's he got he came back? They have a new guy there. If I haven't been around his new crop completely new crop of of quarterbacks and I always pretentious for him I thought I thought they <hes> defense underachieve last year. <hes> I didn't have didn't agree with every day I will done medically <hes> so I'm hoping that that that changes and I have really experts guys that are they now have a great ability so excited to see what they do this well. It's interesting that you say that you didn't agree with a lot of things that they were doing with their scheme and I think a lot of people whether it's fans are meeting. Try Not to play Monday morning quarterback but I think there was a big agreement in that way. What is going on like why is happening? Why are they just busting out? Eighty runs like left and right. It almost seem like this team is too good for that but that's just it right <hes> each sometimes it just doesn't work for whatever reason and there's a lot of moving parts football. I'm always amazed spy. How a college football program that can have success because there's so much happening in the game of football? I'm eve eleven players on the field for each side. You got coaches. You got people up in the booth. I mean there's this communication. There's there's athleticism. There's just there's so much has to go and you living on the island on the outside playing cornerback. I mean you could be the like you could be the one that makes a mistake. Everyone else does their job next thing you know the receivers run in for touchdown in the looking at you I mean how did you live in that world. You know obviously you've played it for a long time but there's so much happening in the game of football. How did you deal with that? Really is a challenge yourself to be the best that that you can really be like I've a lot of time ago out. GotTa have that committed myself to get better. I WanNa get and as long as I'm always getting better and I'm GonNa do my job and then from there. I kind of the other guys to do your job to make sure at this. Whole thing works everything about football? One Guy didn't do the job taking really ruining entirely so you know a lot of times. I don't like the scheme you don't really he's truly know if he wanted this game or the one individual just not getting to the spot that he's supposed to get right so <hes> yeah I mean that's that's pretty much it yeah. It's applies in business right. I mean we're we're GONNA get into that and a little bit more in transition entrepreneurship but going back to two plane at Ohio state see you came in. I think your first year was oh six. If I'm not mistaken that's right so you were there for the one one vs two-game Ohio State Michigan. Was that the craziest environment you've ever been in a one say when I'm not completely I've been if you had yeah you things historically speaking though Ah I was at that game my father my brother my my parents met at Ohio state which I was born right into the family of Buckeyes and father always said this is it and if you ever even consider going that team up north school up North Orange leave right but <hes> we're at six game and just you know the the history behind it Bodine the day before I mean just just a crazy out here to get that anyway yeah go ahead yeah and it was and it was my first year freshman like that that I you went by so fast so it's like I remember like three things for you. <hes> I remember after winning the game I thought it was crazy with I think the field whatever <hes> next year I remember <hes> people picking up grass like they were taking like blocks of grass awesome the field after the game and taking it home and I remember later on that night going out walking down high street saying somebody walking down the street that would a a boxing of grasping your hands in the AH yeah but that's Ohio state right. That's a culture and I heard you talking about this as well on on a podcast where it's just Saturdays in Columbus High Street beat it just gets going early and it doesn't stop until you know it doesn't matter what time they gives us a noon game mid afternoon or you know my goodness if it's a Nike forget about it but the it's just like. How do you explain Senate man like you show up there? You came from Florida and like you said he spent time in Louisiana. You come up to Columbus and did you even know what was going on before you ever got there like what this craziness called. Buckeye nation is all about. I didn't fully no <hes> my my <hes> picture of Columbus Ohio was so completely messed up. I didn't really know much about Ohio so Columbus. I knew Columbus. Columbus was the Cap Shady but at the same time I thought it was a lack of just like a small college town didn't really make sense <hes> so I didn't realize how many people were actually incorrupt <hes> so you know living in the South College Times to Gainesville Florida <hes> on Saturdays I mean football is all there is going on in entire place so <hes> you expect everybody just is Kinda. You expect the area just shut down for football because you know it's a smaller smaller area but then when you come to Columbus and there's a lot of people here right and then on a on a Saturday is like it feels like a small town I feel like everybody is focused on the football game and it's just amazing to me that how so many people could be on the cord and we supporting this one thing and it's it's college. Football football is not the professional team although it you would I would argue that it's more <hes> you get more support around the house. They football and it's running away. It's more professionally. I would agree with that <hes>. I think there's there's a few cities in the N._F._l.. And you probably played in different stadiums and you'll be in from Buffalo. I think the support the have is it reminds me almost of a college town when you show up to Columbus on Game Day I I've have been all different places but I don't know if there's much like it and I think as a player I would imagine and you just gotta eat it up in you know it's probably pretty easy to get up on on game day wherein the scarlet gray and you know again lot pressure to live up to him in the expectations every single year our national championship I mean I fall when the big ten you gotTa beat Michigan Right and it's just have to beat them because it's is gonNA ruin everybody's year if you don't and then you gotta get now you have to get in the playoff. which a little bit for you but you had to get in the playoff you gotta go win the National Championship him? He's expectations are enormous. Do you feel that as a player you know because I've talked to different different. People and everyone's got like you said before. Some people go to smaller schools. They wanted to school because they wanted to play right away. Some people WANNA go to the big schools because they want to do all that possibly and also have an opportunity to play or win a national championship but I've talked to players say national championship championship necessarily wasn't what they were all about. There's other things that are going on and incredible experience in college when you're at Ohio state. Did you feel that man. We can't lose if we'd let a bad play happen. That's not good let alone losing game. Let alone losing to the team North or possibly not making it to the ultimate goal because so much that goes on in sports right. It's almost go out and footballers. There's a lot of ring chasing. Perhaps you'd see that in the N._B._A.. But it can't just all be about how winning championships I know it is right to some level but it's that journey. It's at experience I mean but talking to someone like yourself who's played high levels and high-school college and the N._F._l.. Talk a little bit about just the journey in and of itself and the expectations that that you felt as a player playing for how state yeah. I think that that ultimately go win a championship. It's kind of embedded into the journey for you so it's like <hes> in the summer. When I'm you've lifting weights or don't want some type of conditioning? I'm thinking man I mean to. I need to make sure I get this day so I can be the type of player is going to be all be ten type caliber player so I can ultimately be on stage and win the championship and make their big flavors Michigan and stuff like that so <hes> you definitely definitely definitely ultimate goal is Kinda. It's Kinda ingrained into day to day <hes> with expectations I super high. I think I think a lot of guys who are capable. They don't fully <hes> do the things that they're capable capable enough to cover those pressure. The expectation that Ohio state and I think part of the coach's job is to make sure that the player players can understand the goal but also stay loose and 'cause it's a lot of guys <hes> and I think coaches can help with recognizing taking a guy saying well. There's expectations but you need to do these specific things and focus on these different things you'll be able to reach those high expectations <hes> well yeah I mean our state national championship for bus and if you don't reach that level that is okay we gotta be big champion as you can't get to that. We've got all right. We gotta be misused but I remember playing <hes> and always been like if we lost more than he lost two games more than two games this season so we we lost one game like that May. Not You know you want especially my my time. It was it was they know playoff or anything you want to say okay. WE'RE NOT GONNA make it to NASA sex now. We have to win the big ten and we can't lose another game. You lose the game. It was like man we go. We go back. We Watch be walking E._S._P._N.. Like we suck yes yeah and then I mean to you might have an opportunity based on two how things <hes> played out then third losses like Oh man. This is a bad feeling for so it was the margin of error error was so small <hes> and we understood that and we embraced it yeah well you're. There's a few things going on their first of all its individual and you touch on his earlier. It's individually do your job right. We talk about that in our business. All the time you can get over you can get you can over think things because you're trying to do so many other people's jobs but if you just do the tasks that you're supposed to do and help out where you can help out we can get to where we want WanNa go but first of all you have to do your job. That's you win the championship that day but then also you're talking about the ultimate goal right being the championship and that's ingrained in the journey so you have an eye on that ultimate prize and then you. Let's say you lose right. That's the three games right so there are failures. There is winning and losing in sports right. I know we talk about eighth-place trophies and it's kind of crazy. What's society breeds but there's a team? There's an football game team that limbs and there's a team that loses weight have been banned calls her out or lucky situations who who knows someone wanted someone lost right but if you had a good season you know three losses I get in a house. H like man we we did not succeed this year but you have one loss right you look at the year after so the I would look at first. Let's go back. Oh six you win. You have an incredible season heisman trophy quarterback you go on you. Beat Michigan the one verse to I mean that's the game to remember. I get a few I think it was like six or seven weeks later. Which first of all the me is just that was insane at the time lake hold on House? They Be Beats Michigan and you gotta wait. I think they looked at the Philadelphia. Eagles played like seven or eight games in between when Ohio state played beat Michigan and had to play Florida for the National Championship. I was like we walk down that stadium that day and I've not a part of it at all and I have no idea I'm like I don't know how you get up after that game again and you have to wait two months almost to play then you go out and you lose. It wasn't a great game. I remember Ted gained gets hurt like opening kickoff and things happen but like is that an unsuccessful season because you didn't win the national championship chip. I mean I didn't see it like that. At all. Yeah it's disappointing in the time and it's probably takes a little bit to get over. We're still talking about it today. But do you look back at that moment and be like man. That was an incredible journey. You guys were on that. That team was on. Did you see that as a negative ah talk to me about that a little bit well go to there's always so first season was big ten champion Cigna season with the ball game and it was hard to hers to really I mean ultimately ultimately you WanNa win. The big game checks you well hard to merge them together because there were so far apart and you couldn't even girl your destiny in terms of whether or not you made it to yeah. That's it well. Somebody's let it you so obviously if you WANNA see at Ohio state you most likely going to make but there's no guarantee but then once you lose a game then it's like okay they have to decide so. Are you split the season. You're okay. Let's let's take care of the big ten. Let's B._T.'s people who are the teams fun and then that the season's over with and then you have to come off season completely. <hes> take a little bit of a break and you start working towards the number two which was whatever ballgame you ain't or whatever the national championship game for championship so what that next the next big game so the the season where the success number two is not the championship game without success and he's really Kinda. That's how I well. I always looked at it even after the Fella and then we had a really good season live from the heisman trophy winner and they're really the season we had a very bad ballgame and it's only you almost have to separate it because the way it was structured. It was really so it was it was unlike a a a season football game because now you're preparing for a team for a month which is completely different than the way you know football operate so that's right well and then it happened the next year and that was crazy because this Illinois right. I think Illinois upsets you guys and at that point. It was like it's over right. WE'RE NOT GONNA go in and then the last day the here last day of college. Football West Virginia was playing L._S._U.. was down there like number six or seven all of a sudden when that evening when the late games ended a house it was in right you guys were in because everyone else had lost salsa and how sates number one like hold on this is crazy. We're having arguments who number two is Ohio state was on outside looking and that was nuts. Do you remember that you talk about like not. Remember it a lot from early in your college career. 'cause I get it because it's probably like so. Many things are happening the next thing you know you're playing in the National Championship L._S._U.. Where you grew up right yeah yeah and now you're too? I remember everything and we we actually watched it two games. I think one game was <hes> was West Virginia. I think they're playing Pittsbur- no other game was Arkansas playing l._S._U.. I believe no not not Arkansas playing <hes> Zuri. Maybe that's it. I was very with the other team it was it was two teams that were one into various somebody else that nobody really thought it would be into. There's nobody expected those teams that actually being up there. What are they would really good there year? <hes> Pat White and everything so we watch both games just fall into the team name took the Games on big screen and we're real for one of the teams to lose both of us uh-huh like number three or whatever it's a number one and now we're trying to figure out okay well. Who are we gonNA play feel like everybody law so they're like of course we wanted to play and of course <hes> AH F._C._C. strong? WE'RE GONNA put <hes> S._e._C. team in there <hes> but yeah I mean that was my mind redshirt freshman year so I started in that a national championship game and and is where it because the L._S._U.. Their tendencies all year which I mean he said do their tendency all year during the money I really go receiver analyst fail <hes> Different Guys Thornton boss aww receivers they broke that Tennessee and really just kinda ran the ball and through the Boston tight end who they never threw the ball to our here yeah and that really got better of US yeah. We'll give started off good. I know but yeah I mean. It's a crazy time because I remember watching E._S._p._N.. Piano and all the coaches were coming on the analysts and everyone's like campaigning and they're talking about who should be there and it's it's in a way it's fine because it's you gotta watch it right like you guys are sitting there watching it. Were sitting there watching everyone's watching like this is fascinating. We gotta wait like WHO's GonNa be number two and who's Ohio State GonNa play and then you look you fast forward to today a lot of that's happening again and I think they certainly love the debate but to me it's kind of crazy because football's played on the field like we can sit here in argue all day about who's is better than who would win and there's assumptions that there's matter-of-factness of all. It's an S._e._C. team so of course the S._E._C.. Team needs to go because they're the best and it's a lot of people who don't understand it and there's no doubt the S._e._C.'s very good but it's Kinda crazy to me right that ah that's how we're deciding national champions on not deciding the national championship on paper but who's GonNa play for it on paper and we're GONNA mass these two teams up in a game. That's going to be a month away. Maybe two months away as a player. It's frustrating reading. It's gotta be completely smog but I mean he's just kinda adapt to you know flawed system because I mean the on the honest. There's no perfect way to do things especially when you got college athletes for amateur you know if you WANNA call them amateur amateur so you can't you can't have a long playoff where you have guys who came here to go to school and play football but now you drag on their season and and football unique in that it's not like basketball or you can play one day. I mean the next day you can play another game. You play a game this week. You left the way the week next game because you have three cover <hes> from all the <hes> you know running into each week before so <hes> really create a real playoffs. I don't think it's they may eventually do it but I don't think it makes sense. It's right for a college football because he's got on getting paid to do this. If I mean at some point you gotta let their gang so a certain amount of games they can't play on and on and on so he's a flaw is a slot way to do things and it's a tough. This is being when you're you're close but you don't know if you're GonNa get there because you can't control it. <hes> you can do everything right on the field. You can win all the Games. You're supposed to win imagine I duNNo. I think it was U._C._F.. One year when they won I think they went undefeated <hes> to and from there they just went to a ballgame like we did everything we're supposed to do. We beat everybody that putting friendless and we don't have the option is foregone conclusion before we even step on the field that we can't make it to play off <hes> ended up doing a good job and beating a big school in the ball game <hes> but it's like it doesn't matter they've already decided that we can't make it so it's definitely floor away <hes> but then I mean mice this law. I can only control told you can control it then today. So <hes> it is it is yeah that's exactly right. I mean so a few things there too so first of all going back a little bit you compartmentalize it. I love how you explain that so you say we had a successful season and we had this next season and we did not have a successful season. So what can we do to get better from there and I think when you can cart mental is a different things you can have failures right. I think it's okay to lose in recognize that loss and get better for and then looking at will we get in the N._C._A._A.. In a second just amateur athletic hole but a flawed system. What are you going to do about it because you jim to you can't be it'll house as well? This is a fly you might build a change it down the road and people get together. We gotta change this but in the moment the rules are the rules. What are you going to do about it and you just have to play with like you said do what you can control and I'm? I'm sure that's what coach Trussell was talking a lot about of we can only control what's in front of us. We do the best that we can with that in the week. Let the chips fall where they may right and that's <hes> that's. It's the only way to look at it because if you just drive yourself crazy I know it drives fans crazy but but you're saying we're GONNA play out. They're going to push. We're going to go to eighteen or go to sixteen teams. It's like if you watched in the N._B._A.. Finals just ended record in this last night and I mean you've had these guys have been playing basketball for so long and now you got to their best players in the league that are basically gone for a year and it's crazy now. I don't know if that's the reason why they got hurt because of plane so many so much basketball over the years but that's basketball you talk about football it and you're having to play games against teams. That really probably shouldn't even be on the field against. I've seen this in your like. This quarterbacks going to get killed because the entire defensive line for how states going to be in the N._F._l.. One day and this guy six four one one hundred eighty pounds and he's is not gonNA survive this game but I get it because if his program doesn't play and get to show up to the shoe they're not getting the big payday that they need to even keep the program going and again. Ohio state's got an incredible brand and they will always seems they always have incredible brand but you guys are amateurs right. You're not getting paid a dollar for this and you know there's there's a lot of frustrations and a walking around campus and you see all the Ohio state year you know down highstreet and and all that and not one play and this across the country that gets anything for it and it's difficult because again like we talked about the top dog before there's a lot of diversity and people coming from all different walks of life to complete college football. Did you focus on that at all at Ohio state or were you just really focus on your craft and say man this. This is an amateur sports man. This is this is more and then you realize it later right. This is more N._F._l.. Than maybe the N._F._l.. Is At times yeah I think at the time I mean I think for me. Personally I speak to my personal experience. I was unique position in that of how recognized that if I play well I will go to our goto the N._F._l.. I'm playing our state play quarterback of the House state guys before me do well started for our state. They went to excel so if I did the same thing I was for me. It was a big opportunity or huge opportunity to be able to do something that I I kinda dreamed about so they all the time early my full focus and I got closer to being being in that position where I was GONNA be drafted. <hes> I became upperclassmen senior. That's when I started to Kinda see you know we're bringing a lot of a lot of money house. <hes> my jerseys being so currently at one of the senior. My being is in stores right now. I'm not getting any revenue from that. So <hes> You you see Terrell priors Jersey being auctioned off on online and I'm thinking taken wildly Jersey went much with how how states getting the money for that and they and then all the stuff comes out about the tattoos and <hes> teepee selling his jersey <hes> <hes> for like. I don't know one hundred dollars or something I don't know and they used to go back well. He's sodas early and floor enough enough to get a steak dinner. I just saw Jersey get auctioned off online live for way more than that <hes> and it. I know that's one of the stuff Kinda I started opened my eyes and we'll be more but like like I said before. That's that's the current system you want that you want those things to change. We got the at the time you have to do that. You can control you make the most of how the game set up because when football there's rule that you have a corners me specifically like this past experiences services that are called it. I don't agree with but I understand. This is how they're gonNA call it so I need to make sure that <hes> play according to what part of the game is being called so the same way life. I mean some somebody's roles. Don't make sense to me some of the stuff. That's doesn't make sense but life is never fair so he's gotTa understand the game in and try to make sure that you maximize your your time at Ohio state in other ways to set. Let yourself up for a life after four with I mean the the mindset you have is is amazing and just to hear you talk and that's why it's important for you know you're out there in the community. You're sharing your message. It's like you got to live with a move on and you see all the time like you said on the field is just twenty are pass play. They throw interference flag and you're like I didn't do anything you know. How are we throwing the slagging those third and ten and now they got I down or are you serious and that could change the outcome of the game more maybe not changed the outcome but could lead to possibly a different outcome things play out in dealing with the frustrations like you had it Ohio state and seeing that with Terrell prior and and what he had to go through and you know we seen it before and there's a story store and talk about Michigan necessarily but it was like the story of Chris Webber walking down the street after they lost a championship and he sees Jersey in the store and he's like this is crazy man like they're making all this money and I get nothing in and the assistant coach is like and he was gone soon as he saw that it was over and you hear those stories over and over again but that's what you have to live with like you said because those are the rules that are in place so you're there at Ohio state and social media was really starting to come about like it just was kickstart and if I'm not mistaken the iphone two thousand seven comes about and I think today especially over the last few years at least college athletes have this incredible opportunity because if you played Ohio state you got like how many people fit in the horseshoe right now one hundred five hundred ten two thousand and you got fans all across the globe really and you can interact with them now one to one? It's no different than how we connected on linked in the good that you're doing. We just have a connection there. We start messaging each other. They WANNA podcast chassis L.. Let's do it and it's we never never have this conversation if it's not for Lincoln if it's not for social media and I think if you if you can take the mindset that you have listen. We're not going to change the N._C._A._A.. Today hopefully it changes because it needs to amateur. Athletics is kind of in many ways. It's very flawed system but at the same time there's an opportunity for college athletes to brand themselves while they're in school because when they come out if they get the good advice when they come out of school man. They're still fans like I guarantee. If I go to our house eight fans are going to know exactly who you are and they're gonNA remember you there and they're gonNA remember. The teams that you played on. Did you get involved with social. Media was it facebook. Obviously was the ones you probably had a facebook account at that time but did you did you the you deal with that social media all while you're it how state and when I when I was their social media just Kinda got going and I think I got on twitter. Maybe my failures everything <hes>. I don't think I got on instagram. Yeah that was a few yeah I got on Instagram at all and I remember at that time our coaches and staff after so anti social media that time because they already saw with as a away that guys could get in trouble. Somebody's going to post something that they impose on news so <hes> that energy kind of <hes> got most guys can most guys away from doing too much also communicate too much people are supposed to be <hes> and then also you know just being being more new. You know you get negative <hes> comments on this or you wanted to stay away from their stuff too so I mean we also had to facebook. We didn't really get through social media nowadays. You got you know guys in college cutting their especially <hes> in a game now you probably gain yourself five thousand followers. Yeah he's <hes> is it's amazing how it is and it's just one of those things where okay you're not able to to maximize your brand while you're while you're playing before but now especially gives gives you that avenue so definitely something that they should be cognizant of and understand like you know I can. I can gain influence right now if I'm interactive with <hes> with my fans and and maintain that influence after done so yeah definitely a great opportunity for guys yeah and I would absolutely take advantage of it. I still think there's an opportunity for even players like yourself. You have been at Ohio state and awhile but you're very recognizable within Ohio states dates community in your obviously doing a lot of great things and being an entrepreneur because I think that I'm seeing a lot of that whether it's on social media or just in general you hear about what Jim Tressel did you hear about what coach or mired it and it's football's obviously the driver of all of it but there's a lot of other things that happened after and then you go to the N._F._l.. Touch on this you go the Oakland raiders draft in the fourth round and you know you tell the story real quick because N._F._l.. Career can can and for many different reasons you know there's just constantly new guys coming in you might be getting a little bit older and there's Avi the obvious one which is an injury and I believe in. I heard you tell the story on your video that you were playing against Buffalo and Utah. You're a hamstring and that was it sounded like maybe Oh man. Can you get back to because you're very athletic player right. Can you get back to where you were but that's just the thing like you go from college to the N._F._l.. And it's you might not even go from college N._F._l.. You might that'd be very good college player. You don't make it to the N._F._l.. But then you do make it the N._F._l.. But that doesn't necessarily mean you're guaranteed a fifteen year career right things change and I mean I think the average lifespan right is what two to three years in the N._F._l.. Is that what happened is that did you have an injury <hes>. I think it was a special teams play. If I'm not mistaken yeah yeah that was that was like the final nail but <hes> really from formal house take on I had they should. I didn't really know Alabama apparently my my last year. <hes> both my hipbones Guy Impingement <hes> and that limitation developing limitation <hes> stressed everything else and over over time you know my niece started started by 'cause he's not supposed to move is not supposed to compensate for the hip hip is supposed to have more good than most in needs to be more stable <hes> and then once my you know knee injury started swelling in the need full in the need <hes> affected my half tended then you mentioned that tend to this top so that's Kinda. The Progression Ryan started in college <hes> and then it kind of ptolemy into the but the reality of it you you. You really don't know because it actually coming out of college what type of N._F._l.. Career I wanNA tell you I I wouldn't be best court N._F._l.. Without question because I was Dallas contact with confidence I had <hes> at that time. I didn't realize that the issues are had also that stuff <hes> you you don't know for sure or about those things until you're under the pressure in here going through the stress of N._F._l.. Season over and over again <hes> but but yeah I mean that's kind of what it was but I I always always reminded myself or N._F._l.. Is going to be Star for me. That'd be have start. They're going to be a lot of life after football. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa have more life not playing football than I did did play for book so I need to make sure that <hes> <hes> that I I put that same energy into doing everything else whether it's being father or husband or whatever but did football I love that I see eh when I read about you. See your video and I'm talking to you in that you saw it as this is an opportunity. This is a headstart and I want to do all these other. Things like you said you got married. You have a daughter you have started these these businesses. You're part of the community and talk about real quick about your pit barbecue grill. you go out there and what I love about it. Is We want to be part of the Columbus community. It's not just a restaurant we get of course that goes without saints more than that and I think you're you're creating that if I'm not mistaken and when I come back and we usually try to get up to Columbus at least once maybe twice if we can twice a year we're coming to the pit barbecue grill man but was that like how did you decide to start a restaurant. I mean obviously from New Orleans and foods foods a big deal right there right so you come to chorus. Is that like because it's it's ingrained in you. I think what went out and I feel like there was some restaurants missing okay so I do some some things that <hes> I would like to see so kind of had in the back of my mind talking friends but we should probably try to restaurant here. <hes> something that we like something we think other individuals originally buy something that was similar to <hes> restaurants that we who are going to and <hes> new community enjoy <hes> but then I kinda shifted to wanting to do a franchise and going through that franchise process assist reminded me why we wanted to do around thing and beginning because it wasn't there was no connection there was nothing <hes> that we felt really connected us to the community and try to try to we're really proud of so <hes> so then that's when we just decided to try something and you know be honest. We've never done a restaurant before anything like that. So you know we recognize that. This may not work restaurants restaurant that <hes> posted being guaranteed to be successful but <hes> we decided we are way. We're GONNA make community thing. GonNa make sure we in the community that we care about <hes>. We didn't necessarily if somebody was the say what's the best location to put his restaurant didn't necessarily pick the best vocation well we take the location that meant the most us <hes> at that time we think that in that type of focus <hes> really kinda helped us because in community to support and from there just try to continue girl and you have so you have the restaurant and you have other things going on in going back to what you said like you looked at the opportunity of building a franchise but you saw I think this is one of the Toronto poor news coming out. No that's is not for me. I'm going to go out here and build this and you know what if it fails it's going to be my fault and I'm going to deal with it and you're GONNA put yourself out there and I love that and so we did and that's why it's just when you see something like that. That's out there and there's a there's a like-mindedness. That's why we love having these types of conversations. The Pit Barbecue Grill is in a way you have daughter but it's another it's another baby. It's another it's a business but under so much that you're probably put into that but you have other things going on as a true entrepreneur would would talk to me a little bit about what else doing in the business community yeah so <hes> I'm trying to. I'm trying to make sure that focus my seven one thing about being an entrepreneur is a lot of time you see a lot great opportunities for you <hes> but one thing I'm passionate about <hes> any sand community what we what we opened up restaurant <hes> I wanted to develop new new bills do build homes <hes> and I'm working on it. I want him to be affordable homes <hes> and the thing about the Columbia market very you understand the way Columbus is going <hes> a lot of value. These these homes are are are going going up in within in in the city inner city Columbus and this area. It's also GONNA continue to to go up in price a lot of people out of purchasing these homes so before that happens <hes> <hes> <hes> develop new new bills allow individuals to get in now and purchase homes and I just brand new homes <hes> and be able to ride that way as Columba's market continues to go up doc yes. It sounds like you're giving back a lot of the community. I know you've done some stuff with helping middle school and high school kids at risk at risk youths and give him back to the community that way as well. I mean just you recognizing recognizing that you do have influence that you had an opportunity to play football at Ohio state and you had an opportunity then to take that to the N._F._l.. And then you realize that was the head start to then leads you to the man you got your whole life ahead of you right. I mean gene the N._F._l.. Career Manner Professional Career Command by you just getting started. I'm blown away by the mindset because it's powerful and it could lead to a many too many amazing things there's a lot of people transitioning from professional sports arts or early on career type stuff that they have to then go out in become almost like you say like the real world. Perhaps what advice you have for N._F._l.. Players like yourself that are maybe still in their career. What can they be doing today to set themselves up or that transition to move up because it can't be easy right? It's not easy for anyone. I don't think from going from college to play professionally. You're just going out into the real world at that point is not an easy thing and it's just a man as a wakeup call but if your mind is set before and you understand what you opportunities are ahead of you as a lot of stuff that you can do and you're gonNA learn along the way I mean. That's what it sounds like you've done. It wasn't just like perhaps a light went off but there's a lot of things that you had to do to get your mind ray to get to that point to then build a restaurant and and billions are working on these homes and all the other things that you have going on. What advice would you give to professional athletes today to like man because I'd say this talk to someone like chimney because he's he's doing a lot of good right now? Yeah I think every athlete understands gang plants I understand the game players and in in the context of <hes> sports it makes perfect sense. If if we could tell the same <hes> approach to everything outside of sports I think that would be probably my life to be able to say okay. This is what I WANNA do live. This is the categories and the things the most important to me and I listened. What's most important to me now? I need to make sure to try to plan to improve <hes> in attaining things I wanted to attain outside of whatever my respective sporty and if I trade that plan I'm not going to be perfectly execute that plan so when I have those failures on miss opportunities or things that I recognize weren't the best way to do. I I look at that and say how can I get better and football sports. We we watch ourselves. We we're self aware we understand are we didn't execute his game properly. What did we do wrong? What was what what was wrong? What do we need to change if we did those same things and all the other categories that are important to us in our in our lives we were also improved in those areas which will make us more complete as an individual and as continue to build up ourselves? We also should grow our community build up our community <hes> connect with like minded individuals connect with like minded people. I mean the N._F._l.. Player and I might be one of the best asked what I do find somebody. WHO's the best that real estate find somebody who's the best that restaurants find somebody while I do have this ability to connect with in with people because of what I'm doing make sure you connect with some some of the people who are the best that what they do so that while you're while you're going <hes> as a athlete they helping you grow as a a entrepreneuring whatever else whatever else you're you you focus on what you what you wanted to do outside of your sport and if you're able to build up yourself and build up your community once you get done <hes> there's a lot of opportunity out there <hes> prepare for it should be what you just shared right there? I mean that's what it's all about and I think professional athletes here. I think just any professional needs to hear it and I'm just I'm honored that you're able to come on in spend this time with US talking about this. I I wish you nothing going on. I hope we can stay connected when what would say when I come to Columbus. I'm with my family. Were coming to the pit barbecue grill where so tell so someone's is listening right now. They want to go get something to eat today or are you know in the future whereas Barbecue Grill and also what's the best way people can can connect with you so two pit barbecue grill is in the northern lights shopping center that addresses three five four or five Cleveland Avenue <hes> familiar with Colombia's. It's also Cleveland Avenue about a mile south of Morse road <hes> so if you if you know if you're familiar with more serious yes get to Cleveland and more than go about a mile south. It's right there northern pardon my shopping center. I'm the best way to connect with me. I'm on facebook <hes> twitter instagram on instagram on chin-shek thirty five on the twitter <hes> chimp chick <hes> I mean that's that's the best way to reach out to me. Connect with me. Follow me and yeah I just could be continuing. They're trying to better myself every day. We see it and I see you right in for Letterman row. I see you haven't conversations about talking about the House Football Program Talk About Your Restaurant Helping the community being true entrepreneur spending time with us on this podcast man. I'm just grateful like I said that you gave us all this time to chat with us and like I said hopefully we can continue to stay in touch and we'll be watching absolutely everything going on but awesome talking to you go box and thanks again man basically go but Jimmy it has been absolutely awesome having you on this podcast because of your passion and lessons and sports entrepreneurship. We're all better off from the time we spent with you. The perspectives from Shinde on constant improvement are now perspective you the business leader can use for yourself and for that chimney thank you and for anyone looking to talk to chimney about his football ball entrepreneurial journey we encourage you to reach out to him and if you're in Columbus or heading to Columbus be sure to stop by chimneys restaurant the pit barbecue grill. If you have questions feel free to reach out to meet correctly you can find me on Lincoln or contact me on twitter at Eric Underscore cast. Thank you for listening to our PODCAST entrepreneur perspectives building in protecting your business one podcast at a time until next time. We're OUTTA here back.

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THE Ohio State University LIVE show Part 1

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THE Ohio State University LIVE show Part 1

"They had a great opportunity to go live at the Ohio State University again. This is the second time we've done this show live there. Enjoy having a great very big audience of really excited faculty and students agree big program out there in Columbus Ohio so thanks to the faculty and staff or having back out there. We got into a range of subjects in these the two episodes that were releasing from Ohio state leadership. Finding out who you are and how far your education can take you you and when you decide that it's done hint it's never done episode is brought to you by Owens recovery science a single source for PT's looking for certification in personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training. Talking about your education never ending Owens recovery science educating clinicians and how to use B. B. F. R. in their clinical practice around the country and around the world. Find out more at Owens recovery science dot com or with their new podcast. Now on itunes. Oh all right here we go. The best conversations happen at happy hour. Welcome two hours for the award. This is the P. T. podcasts. Here's your host physical therapist. Jimmy Mackay Ladies and Gentlemen. We are back for some reason. They brought us back to the Ohio state. The university the school founded in eighteen. Seventy it is Enrollment Sixty eight thousand two hundred sixty two. We've got well decent chunk in the room right now You might have heard of the Ohio. State University. Do not forget that the through their intercollegiate sports teams which go by the name. Nick and the Buckeyes guys with their mascot bird is the Buckeye It's a nut people for not in the room. I had to look it up. It wasn't a hundred percent sure so we're back road the backfield highest university. Let's bring up our very. I guess that's right now. Mike Martin is the Administrative Rehab Services and sports medicine outreach and the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center. Let's welcome Mike Martin of the show. Oh I like that. You've got got your fight Song Mike you get to walk very own. Fight Song right there Welcome to the show. Thank you thanks for having very you guys like to have this guy. Michelle leadoff no no pressure baton leadoff. So what's what's your your Superhero Story. You know what's what's your story. That brings you here to the Ohio State University. I I don't know if it's as cool as yours so yours. I you know before the show starts and then we all get to follow you but Born in Northeast Ohio but raised in Greenville North Carolina and and North Carolina my whole life but somehow ended up back in in college at Ohio University and was actually a Pre Med biological sciences. Had says major and thought it was going to go into orthopedics and sports medicine during my undergrad years just got introduced to pt from some friends who majored in it and kind of fell in love with it pretty quickly quickly so decided to still graduated with my pre med major but decided to pursue pc school so went to school at Ohio University. Oh you you there actually met my wife my future wife Jamie and we met in two thousand one we got married in two thousand and three graduated from Grad School in two thousand and three from. Oh you you and actually believe it or not. At that time. I was a musician and I was playing a lot in central Ohio and I really wanted to do music along with. PT was playing a lot here. We decided to move to central Ohio job as a PT. And try to make it big in my music career. Yeah so Jamie got married moved here. We decided we'd be here one year. Only you got a job in this private practice. One year turned into two years and then in our second year we had our first baby our daughter Sophie who actually be fourteen next week. Wow at at that time. I actually met John dewitt. Who was had? Just come to Ohio state and John Actually hired me on here at Ohio State and two years turned into four years. Five or six cheers and fell in love with my career in sports medicine. Physical therapy at Ohio state. We ended up having two more children during that time and actually at that time decided I kind indeed move on and a little bit in my career so I actually left Ohio state and became a manager of private practices in Central Ohio and was only gone for a year and a half growing private practice and was keeping in touch with everybody at Ohio state here and they're saying hey things are changing things are growing. We have manager positions open. Would you consider coming back so actually. Actually John dewitt interviewed me again. Brought me on here as a manager at at Osu so it came back in spring of two thousand twelve and from there honestly my career changed very rapidly so went from manager position to an associate director position working in strategy plus PT Plus physician practices. This is to a director position to senior director position and now the administrator of all PT Ot speech audiology athletic training and therapeutic correct creation for the health system. So it's been a crazy writer for that. I don't know that's a pretty cool story. I can't forget once we came back. We actually had baby four so we have Cami who just turned to a couple of weeks ago. What's in the water here very busy? Busy that's cool. Just for the the audience to know in the room and online I give any of the guests of a really brief pre interview for him. I just WANNA know directions. But there's no script there's no there's no pre the Loaded questions and I always like when the themes emerge from each gas and then throughout the whole show so yours what I heard there was man. Look at all the different types of situations you were in as just a physical therapist so right now I mean how many I can't even give back to you all those different professions that you're percents. How many different people are you seeing right now I think about seven hundred maybe seven hundred and fifty? Can you name I can also I think I can. Yeah don't ask me right. That'll be that'd be the the after show so let's talk about leadership someone someone in your position has to be able to set strategy and be able to get the most out of there are people were. How did you pick that up? And what from your experience helped you do that. Oh man so I think you know I've definitely had a very nontraditional path being a senior leader the health system as a PT. That's nontraditional historically. Although I can't tell you absolutely can be a senior leader in health system and you will be because I do think. PT's this are uniquely situated. I think that we have Some academic and intellectual skills and technical skills that help us well we strategize all the time in an individual digital patient episode and I think it really applies well to even operational strategy but also I just think. PT's are uniquely situated with our emotional intelligence in our interpersonal skills skills. As well which I think have really helped me in my career but I think the big thing for me is I know you probably hear this and it might seem cliche but it's really just knowing who you you are knowing what you believe in an absolutely living by those principles and those values and really in my life I never set out to be in this position. I just believed in some very specific leadership principles in ways to identify and engage Talat get people connected with their passions and leverage their talent and gaps. where I don't have you know? Some of those skills are talent and connect them with their passions and their skills and really kind of ride that wave and so that's a big piece of it giving people ownership in what they they do and then the last thing you know just because I always say I was kind of raised on the streets of the health system leadership. I don't have formal academic training. I'm not afraid to ask why and think of things in a very simplistic basic way and say. Why have we done it? This way. One of the questions we always ask is. If we didn't always do it this way. Would we is still choose to do it this way. And we ask that all the time to some very very quick solutions and a lot of success for our team. It's been really really cool. Cool Yeah He. Here's here's what. I hear that I do all the time. I lucky enough to gets surrounded by allow Louise Smart People WanNa look like you know what you're talking about. Just keep asking questions. WHO's the guy in the corner? He just keeps acting asking. I don't know he seems really smart. You touch on a few things there. I think we are very uniquely situated in healthcare system. Because we're kind of in the middle middle that we're on the streets you know you know how to play well in the sandbox. You know what how to get the best out of other professions other people and as you touched on our communication skills are pretty good too we like to tout those and we need physical therapists to be in these positions with the the line from the PT Political Action Committees. If you not the table you're on the menu right so if there's if there's a board room somewhere to hospital system or anything if there's not in the room like manage someone's making decisions for you in your profession and your career and you're not there to at least ask why. That's the first step so good on you for doing that did you. You mentioned the kind of core values did you have those and then follow them or did you find them. Along the way great question I think a little bit of both and some of them are simply learned by experience. And you know we all have experiences early in our lives our careers that shape us and one of the things. Even though I had great leaders I often felt like maybe as a clinician mission and as an employee I wasn't always leveraged appropriately and maybe my voice wasn't always heard and so when I came back I as a manager I wanted to make sure every revolt was heard because I figured if I was sitting documenting at a computer and had all of these ideas and would one day be a senior leader and a health system. There's got to be fifty people right around me that have the same ability and skills so we wanna make sure that we hear those voices and so that's one of those principles or values that picked up along the way and I think some of them I had probably you know beforehand Just again a passion for trying to improve people's lives and not only includes our patients. That was easy. You know as a physical therapist but but our staff our employees our community as a leader. And so hopefully have tried to apply that along the way great I really bad podcast host. I didn't ask go wondering get like the really deep meaningful out of the way the name of the band. I'm not gonNA share that tonight. It was a really bad band which is why this I'll just say youtube south there. We've actually got a clip right here. I'M NOT GONNA agree with that. Be Horrible actually. So I recently had a birthday and someone asked me a really really great question and I just I love really insightful questions and it was what would you tell the twenty year old version of yourself. What advice would you give for you at kid with kids zero before the forecast along so that that version of self any advice you'd give yourself man? This was not on the pre questions. Yeah so I would. Probably I'd probably say a lot of the same things that I'd even say to myself. Now I think think I would ask myself to think about legacy and what I want to leave behind in any area. Whether that's a small you know. We have students out here whether that's in your program or with your classmates classmates classmates or on a larger scale as well professionally To the community even just for healthcare in general so I would I would be I would ask myself to focus very much on my legacy and not for me not so people would remember me but what kind of wake am I leaving positive or negative and it'd be very thoughtful awful along the way and I think I'd say the same thing you know. Now Maya Angelou writer that Greek woes people don't remember what you said they remember how you made them and feel which is ironic because we remember what my Angelou set so favorite part of your role now. Because you've got an interesting one as we got out. Let's be the last thing I want you to touch on favorite part of getting to interact with all those different professions. That was the thing that struck me about your bio. Is You get to touch all these different professions but you get to learn from them as well. Oh Man I can I give you too. Yes probably my favorite part is I've always felt like clinically. PT'S ARE DOT connectors. We kind of watch. How patient travels through their healthcare? And we're able to kind of see from a different perspective than a lot of other professions. Who are sort of embedded in one point along that way? And so I really like being dot connector operationally racially I see things from a different perspective than maybe a single physician group or a single administrator and a service line and I really enjoy taking a perspective live in watching a room. Think wow we've never thought of it that way. It's really neat. But I think favorite part of my role just today actually. We took an administrative assistant which which is sort of a secretarial position and We identified she applied for an administrative assistant position six months ago and she just has amazing talent in a meeting skill and we just today offered her a physician practice manager position from an office assistant position and just the ability to be able to to watch people accomplish their goals. have their dreams come true and take steps beyond what people don't think that they would be able to take. She's GonNa do great in her job but she is so excited and it just feels like you're making a difference a cool story like here and stuff like that. You're you're not your job title right. You're not your job title. It allows the way. Someone's like dumb radio. Dj like what are we. What are we none? I wouldn't accept it. But that's great that dot connecting. I like that last thing we do with each guest is the parting parting shot. Are you ready for that. This is the parting shots party. 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Alexander got a posse people cheering for you. That's awesome students. They smoke uh-huh well. That's even better there. You're right you're old students. They're not doing this for but kissed points. They can't get any bus kit born. What do you get to do here at the Ohio state so I am the current tweet? Shy put my You're out like you cooling that this is actually not cool. Okay okay. I'm the current performing arts fellow in training here Atalaya State University. Currently we were the first program to or I University to have this program has fellowship goal. What's that do was a dealer? What do I do now? Let's do that one. Okay so I am sub specializing in treating the gymnast. Figure Skater. Musician vocalist coolest dancer. That's a range yes you jump. I didn't I didn't see vocalist. That's got to be a little bit about that because I don't know anything about those losses so that that was definitely a new one for me right I. I'm more of a shower singer than a real singer. So it's still okay. What what muscles do they use a lot of posturing on his breath control a lot of is the you know the upper chest muscles and kind of re educating them how to use that properly without over loading themselves? Have you ever worked with vocalist. WHO has to utilize? No I have not. I have to utilize my. It's like my weird like you know. Maybe that's why radio radio. I thought that was the face. uh-huh I liked. I bring that out as often as I can. Because it's the only I don't know I think it's like a nurse in like maybe third grade was say a- and she kind of went like that and I even like seven years old. I was like that in a good response to our. Did you have a background in performing arts. Is that why you went off. If the Hewlett yeah so born and raised in four Texas grew up pretty serious competitive dancer on my life I I tried other sports parts. You know try to be well rounded wasn't for me. I always wanted to be a striker in soccer way too. Slow supplementing the goal. That was way too stressful right. Ah gave him a standing goal and dance. I was probably that kid out there and just be bopping around on board move. A sitting are us not sitting right now. Mike Oh yeah. That's what we do this because that would just complete the chair. So what type of dance. What was your background? A little bit of everything by Jazz Contemporary Tap clogging and we're actually going to a brew house later we'll be doing some clogging there as well a little different wooden shoes. No wooden shoes. Oh sorry just lose taps right yeah a little bit of everything you were also super excited when you were in school you were the cheer captain. Captain Yep there's Google man the final Yup Yup sure leading or is this cheer like like like the PEP squad. Cheer Captain Matt So cheerleading like high high school. Okay HEP squad pets. I don't know I anti competitive cheerleading was the AV squad trust me. There was nothing that I saw that when I met you that makes sense you kind of got that personality to motivate arms really loud or. You're just really loud about. I've been told that as well. There was a story story that I wanted you to tell your working with a patient who who was having a hard time doing any exercise and you eventually convince them to do the exercise after convincing them a long time you got them to do a lunge and a lunch that was a big step forward that Ah yeah very large set for I'll right so the funny part of the story. This is a real stories right so you're demonstrating a lunch for patient. Don't in something went awry. Yes it was probably a little bit more aesthetically pleasing very large lunge went down very loud. God that's not being sound in the middle of that. How are you feeling in that particular moment Did I just hear that. There is is a long pause and then we both may dislike loud enough for the patient here as well. I did not know that allowed pants wearing that day. I'm not sure what happens. A A lot of awkwardness because it was also a male when I was working with. I think I'm gonNA need a minute. Their situation and I think you understand. What's what's happening? So I rent found a jacket and had a tight around my waist for the rest of the day person tonight at least the last patient of the day right but the lesson we wanted to make sure we imparted was always have a backup pair of pants with you at work whether it's in your backpack or on your desk drawer. Yeah Oh he's got to have a backup so talk about why you decided to go and get further education in performing arts. Go back to the serious part of the interview. We'll get off the split pants but I'm sure that happens in performing arts to talk about why you chose to do advance it more school and more time. Why did you decide to do that? So I went through schooling went through all programing felt really confident in who I was and what I wanted to do but I knew I wanted to be better. I knew I wanted to be the best. Something one of my professors always told me it was like. Do you think that you would send your grandma to that person if they needed physical therapy so I wanted to be the person that someone who wants to send their grandparent to and said this is the best person I know. It's going to take care of you and that's going to get the job done so with knowing that there was extra programming that would put special attention on me. That would push me. That would teach me things that would really progress. My clinical reasoning. Not just my hand skills. Not just my people skills but really push wish me to the place. I wanted to be faster. Yeah how long. How long has the program? Oh She's Brooklyn Sixteen months for the residencies in fellowship is a year and we. Where are you in that you're in the six weeks? Wow light at the end of the tunnel off. You gotta be careful though because the tunnel could be a train. We're giving more split pants. Yeah so I'll ask you the same question right so before. You mentioned that that point you wanted you wanted to be the best physical therapists. You could be one someone. Someone would send their grandmother. To what advice would your now self. Give that person before you made that decision. Think of your why. Why are you doing it? Why are you here you know most of? Let's get into the job because you want to help people go into PT School. But then you don't sleep eating right. You're stressed out and you can kind of lose sight of Your Y. Hi My so my wife was to help people and to be the best I could really. I didn't think he would give me a shot. That was one of the last things I had submitted. Was You know I'm going to shoot for Ohio. How does text is grow? Maybe she'll go to Ohio and I got the phone call in February now sitting outside and shorts and tee shirt and the director called me and said Hey. Do you want to come up to to a high for an interview and I go. I guess so. That is a map. We've got Texas not Texas in February and go. Yeah like okay. What's the weather up there? And she was like your need to cut I go. I think I've got sweatshirt and she's like well. I'll bring our you Jackie Jackie. When you go ahead convertible would absolutely you know almost like the flyaways so the dreams are not impossible stuff that you go through is as for a purpose for awhile so just make sure that you're focusing on that and you'll get to where you want to be a great one? Yeah what's your for that. We'll let that that'll be your parting. Shots nailed elder all right. Let's say one more time from work. This is the PT podcast. This live episode is brought to you by new step. The created created the first product of its kind twenty five years ago with the new step recumbent cross trainer which is now a mainstay with physical therapists worldwide. New Step continues its tradition of innovation with the new step transit. The new step transit uses advanced software and hardware to help you get your patients better faster. New Step transit delivers real time. biofeedback for awareness of physical performance and the ability to objectively track goals and progress find out more visit new step dot com. That's N. U. Step Dot com this the PT podcast. What's your to? Our next guest is a third year student. Physical Therapist here at the Ohio State University. She had a career as a professional dancer prior to choosing a career. PT And now as an interest in working with the neurologic population please welcome welcome Kayla Harris for a second. I got super nervous that something was structurally wrong with this building. Uh when I did it got reloaded near like that. The students supporting each other. Welcome to the program. Welcome to the program or those on. This is on right. Okay so I mentioned your incher. Although I don't know if anybody in the room could hear your professional career and professional dance before coming to school Gupta I did so I feel like I'm Kinda GonNa tell Morgan story a little bit here deal but now I grew up dancing. I went to college. Dance for my Undergrad and then I danced professionally for five years after that and then new I wanted to explore movement and I knew kind of way and here I am yeah. That's pretty cool. The chose not to do that. What about those two professions that you've been exposed to in dance and now as a student physical therapist We're of a similarities. Where differences look at question so I think part of the reason that I loved dance so much on the same thing. Like we're GONNA try a bunch of different sports but that kind of sucked at all of them and dancing was like the one thing that I was like. Oh this this is really cool until I always felt like I was athletic and I liked moving like that's what I loved about dance like I love move and how it feels and so it's like like how can I help other people get that same feeling. Whatever capacity that looks like for them whether just being like you know being able to stretch out of the bed so I think those are kind of similarities? This is just focusing on how movement feels were difference lies as dance sometimes. It can be a lot more introverted. uh-huh and you're thinking about how how you're moving and like how it looks at how you're feeling and I feel like we have to think about how other people are moving. Assess how they're moving movement all around movement around similarity to know. I like that and I wanted to dig into your background there. Because I didn't dance 'cause I can't yes you can no. I don't know whether genetics fell off with the widow's peak but definitely don't WanNa see me dance but as both of you guys had dancing your background. I really Kinda focused on I. I played sports too but I don't think I really focused on how I was moving and I feel like that is a theme with those in the performance arts. You're thinking about how am I moving. How can I change? Where for me? It was just like just make sure you hit the ball and don't look goofy as you're under first base. That was the focus. So that's really interesting. I wanted to key on that because again non traditional traditional student. I feel like we the profession needs. I call him. PT Weirdos. 'cause I consider myself one kind of that injection of a different perspective because I know coming coming in and traditional background and bio kinesiology is fantastic by all means do that but when you get to be around people who have a non traditional background I always like to highlight that your furthering your non traditional nece with student leadership so first of all. Congratulations something just big. Big just happened. It is like do I have to give you like in Syria. Like a like a fancy name or anything like Madam Vice President of the Student Assembly family for the American Physical Therapy Association Jerry. So this is your second. This is your second term of office now for Vice President Your secretary now. Vp why did you decide to do more morse work so I feel like it took me a while to kind of get my sea legs until like six months and I'm like okay. I kind of feel like I know what's going on. Were in service N leadership specifically speaking on my role on the board of directors for the students simply until I finally got my sea legs. I'm like okay. I think kind of know what I'm doing and I kind of know where I wanna go now like. I know what I'm doing so like let me try it again okay. What are some of the things that you'd like to accomplish with the board of directors rectors this time around as VP? Sheriff Cell. One of the things that is focusing on a lot now are there a diversity equity inclusion initiatives and. So that's something personally that's really important to me. And so I would like to help with those initiatives to afford the. This is a buzz phrase. That's coming up a lot. I want you to talk about what that means I remember who's I think. Sharon don actually mentioned it in her address at next but said diversity is being invited to the party whereas inclusion as being asked to dance talks about dancing. I love it right so I think just making sure that as a profession we're focusing on including people well who are not normally included because our profession is not very diverse right now and that's something that I think we need to improve and I think it will also help us serve our patient population. Better do good for. I like that like to hear that coming up but you took the step in your student. There's a lot of blood and sweat and tears a lot of tears and you decided to take on more role net like you know good on you. I seen something important and a lot of people will just kind of bitch about it on twitter. But you actually. She decided to do something about it. So any any projects and you guys are just getting started with your turn but like anything like pie in the sky that you can listen to this episode a year from now and go hey looked at came true like what are some thing like tangible things that you'd like to see put into play to to get to the ultimate goal of more diversity and inclusion ticket question like we just got it started like the new aboard was just elected last week at an se high in the sky. And I think this is more of a profession in the sky thing and it needs to be He. Tees PS and PC students reach out to underserved populations and educating them on what. PT is because a lot of students. And I'm sure like a lot of you guys in the room knew you wanted entity. PT When you were in like third grade but how does it third grader. Who has no idea what is wanting to go into this profession? Say just think playing a more active role in and to go further the even in their community don't look like them don't sound like them aren't from the same area. That's probably something you might skip over thinking. How'd you decide to get involved involved? It happened at a dance kind of yeah so it was I second semester. PT School and that year the Education Leadership Conference Prince and the celebration of diversity. Al Was here in Columbus. And there's an extra ticket and I was invited to go to that and I actually sat at a table with and had dinner with Sharon down the the president of PTA. Just more the CEO. And I was like Oh this is what it flake wasn't what I was getting myself into. But I see these people like I see them doing the thing I was like. How do oh I'd be a part of this? Did you literally ask to be part of this now. I asked you scared. What did you take away from? Literally that table and sitting there what what emotion than what action yes you did you take out well. I saw a lot of passion and I saw a lot of excitement for the profession. I saw like the leaders in the profession being engaged aged being active. I wanted to be a part of that and so I left. I left inspired. It's not difficult to do when you hang out with. People like Justin and Sharon and a a Lotta Times most of the people in that room. Good on you for those initiatives. Good luck in the next year. A Little Birdie told me your high school nickname. Oh yes my high school nickname was jolly rancher. Yeah I can edit this out appropriate but certainly for so as a dancer and I feel like a lot of athletes may do this. I've always find a place like hold tension somewhere went on my thinking really hard until always like clinched my mouth like look like I was on jolly rancher. Yeah got it that went a different direction action. I'm glad all right you ready for your parting. Shot Surest do this. This is the parting shots. Your parting shot. I'm GonNa give you an opportunity in the room and when this episode comes out In terms of what we say to get students to get involved and then stay involved with the after we graduate. Don't be afraid. They feel under qualified. And he may be underqualified by somebody will still give you that opportunity and and use it to learn. Yeah you're for that. The PINE CAST is a product of PT Podcast LLC it is hosted and produced by P t podcast CEO Jim McKay and CPO Sky Donovan from Marymount University we talk pt drink beer and recorded. This has been another poor from the P. T. Pine cast the PD. PODCAST is intended for educational purposes. Only clinical decision making should be based solely on source while care is taken taking new insure accuracy factual errors can be present more on the show at PT Pine Cast Dot Com. All right sure they brought to you by the Brooks Institute of higher learning in an innovator and providing advanced post professional education brooks. IHL offering continuing education courses in numerous specialty areas six residency programs and DT fellowship as well as challenging but rewarding internships the H. L. Specializes in the translation of information from evidence to patient management. Learn what they they can do for you to support your professional development at Brooks. Ihl Dot Org our home on the Internet cast dot com created by build build. PT Provides Marketing Services specifically for private practice PD's website development and hosted inviting content marketing marketing solutions for PT clinics across the country with PT. Can Do for you today at build dot com.

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THE Ohio State University LIVE show Part 2

PT Pintcast - Physical Therapy

20:28 min | 1 year ago

THE Ohio State University LIVE show Part 2

"Had a great opportunity to go live at the Ohio State University again. This is the second time we've done this show live there enjoy. Having a great big audience of really excited faculty and students agree big program out there in Columbus Ohio. Thanks to the faculty and staff or having SPEC out there. We got into range of subjects in these two episodes that we're releasing from Ohio State Leadership Finding out who you are and how how far your education can take you and when you decide that it's done hint it's never done episode is brought to you by Owens recovery science a single single source for PT's looking for certification in personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training. Talking about your education never ending Owens recovery science educating clinicians and how to use bf are in their clinical practice around the country and around the world. Find out more at Owens recovery science dot com or four with their new podcast now on to our next guest has been a physical therapist for twenty two years Z.. Was the CO director of the OSU Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapy Fellowship and it's now a rehab manager at Osu. Sports Medicine here for Paul Paul. Welcome to the show. Thank you your job title is Coder of the Osu Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapy Fellowship. I used to be now. You are the manager. Osu Sports Medicine yes that's all internally with with the school like how how's that set up basically we have outside clinics and we have the Sports Med clinic out in Ghana. And that's I manage that Rehab Clinic over there. So are you seeing people in the community. Yes students from the school athletes or good question. I get that asked all the time we see people from the community. We don't see the athletic department has their own and then the students usually go if they're local here they go to. What's called the pack or the crane or they go to Opera Opera House and just drink it away? It doesn't hurt anymore. or they treat themselves or they sell your each other what What's your back story? Had you come to this profession. I was working as a garbage bridge man during college. I was and so based waste management or waste management. Stop me that I pay my way and then and I was also playing rugby and I got hurt and I ended up going to a physical therapist and I said Man I can do this my sister my twin sister said you're not that smart because I gede off her all the time so that is smart. Yes yes and so but I really I was like this. Is it this. This is what I really WANNA do. Migrate were terrible. Buckled up got my grades really Really up there and then I applied to deeming college in Buffalo and and on the wait list and then finally I I got in got the miracle because honestly I never thought I could do. I love yeah I mean I was the same thing I mean. I was a communications major man. I was in the college radio station. Just go and I don't know I just want to make sure that we're playing rock music. Allowance my grades were less than stellar and have a twin twin sisters study off of Cheetos up so I was probably even worse up but good for you for for persisting in knowing that you wanted to do something interesting about you. You're fluent in a language which a lot of people aren't so both my parents are deaf and influence language. Yeah so how was it like in the home was was it signing and speaking or how does how does that work so yes so. I have three sisters so obviously we talk my mom. Can you can understand her better. She was a teacher for the deaf school. All My dad you can. He was a factory worker but he can't read lips or anything but yeah Y- lot of a lot of yelling. We got angry. There was is no no one stopping US household to though just because my parents were excited what did that experience teach you. That's gotta be some unique insight. Yeah absolutely You're not so you accept except people more so I grew up. Everybody stares at you when you sign parents. Kids weren't bad. It was the parents that were actually pretty bad growing up but then you got so then when I I when I became a physical therapist. I'm not going to treat anybody that way. The crazy story. I'm working at Saint. Mary's Hospital in Huntington West Virginia. The physician was freaking out over this patient and they put something down like dementia or is not right. I just had a complete conversation with this patient. So I- pro physician. I said I can help you with this patient here. They didn't have sign language or asylum interpreter and completely changed this course of care for this patient and I'm like man. How many people does this happen to throughout so it's it's really opened my eyes to a lot of people that are in need or don't have the support with them? Yeah I WANNA key on that. The sometimes like you're the perfect person in the perfect position and sometimes we don't act because we just assume well someone else will do it or someone else's is going to do this but don't assume that because sometimes you are perfectly ready. You might be the only person that can help that other person that particular situation absolutely. I want to talk about that so Leadership is something that is near and dear to your heart in terms of developing education leadership wide leadership. What does that really resonate with you? Well it all starts with is a conversation I had with Mike about four years ago. I was CO director of the fellowship. Felt I can do more and I met with Mike and I said Mike Mike I can do more. I kind of want to grow in the in the field of physical therapy here at. Osu and he we talked and we usually joke around most of the time and we talk about maybe three three percent of the time something serious but he asked me a question and he brought it up earlier and he asked me well. Who are you as a leader? What do you value? And I couldn't answer that question and that I've danced around after our conversation. I sat in my car and I was like. Oh my gosh like I'm forty four years old at the time and I'm going I don't even know who I am. I don't I don't know what my values are. You think you know but when somebody puts you on the spot and ask you that question it changed everything for me and so I was on a mission to figure that out and I I I was lucky enough to have a mentor or coach. Her name Silk Gray over at the education development and resources and she took me through a series of steps. Figure out who I am so I can answer that question. Who are you as a leader and afterwards I had more clarity? I had confidence. I knew where I was going. But I'm I'm forty four and I said to myself cheeses man. Why didn't anybody come to me? And ask me or tell me this stuff when I was in my twenties or earlier in my career and so then a light Bob went off and when you put John and I John dewitt nine a room when we have ideas it gets a little crazy but I went to John and I said where's I asked myself. Where's my circle of influence and it was in the residencies and fellowships and I said what we're focusing on right? Now is teaching them to be better. Clinicians teaching a lot of technical skills and things like that. But we don't have anything intentional about teaching them leadership skills and I've seen a lot of these students residents fellows follow a path. That's really not for them. They think they have to do that. So they're not happy they're burned out in so I talk to John and I said John we need to add this to our fellowships and residencies and right away. He was like absolutely and we started within he goes. Can you get a lecture going in two months and so that's how it all rolled out pretty quickly and then it's all from there. That's a really cool beginning beginning in origin story. was you're asked a question. Good good question on you might save that one At you you were asked a question and you were honest. And that you didn't have the answer I faked it. Although of course it all the time my profession but then you sat there and you really. Oh my gosh like you reflected which I'm sure you guys have like a reflection journals in it. Yeah Ah I'll tell you I hate it in school and I would just write them all like the day before they were due but I actually do. I actually reflect now and it helps so you reflected in that car saying I don't know the the answer to this but then you did something about and what was like. What were some of the things that that was Sylvia? Yeah we did she give a personality assessment or what a bunch of thanks so the personality assessment she had me. Fill out a worksheet on what my values are. She had me. Fill out a worksheet on a personal mission statement and then I read several books in between that she had me read so figuring out what your passions are and afterwards. I really wanted to be able to answer that question within three to five minutes. An elevator speech. I who I am as a leader just like Mike asked me and be able to kind of say. Well this is who I am and this is this is what I represent. Okay what so. It's a step by step. What's your elevator speech here? We go ready. Oh man what are a few of those points in the elevator speech of how you would answer that question. Now I would say I a I believe in you have to build your relationships. You have to put in the time you have to build in. That's how you build your trust and you have to go into being a leader to help develop develop others as well so help give others opportunities to lead as well so it's great. It's perfect and I know right now. A student's out the you can find. I'd like I kind of balked on you there. Sorry I went collab- and I pulled it back right now. Reflection has got to be like on the bottom of the list. I and like reading a book about leadership I know graduated three years ago. That's in the bottomless Milo. It will pay off for you in spades. I T I did the same thing my adviser from PT. School is still on me. Never gives me any answer to question. I ask. Astros gives me more questions than I'm like. Pull my hair out until I realized it was learning a lot more that way but did a personality assessment based on her suggestion and it helps a lot. Yeah like knowing doing. If you don't know who you are who the heck can help. You've got a great story to about a patient interaction that that happened with you and a couple of your work in your work in home. I'm healthier your home health so I graduated from. PT School in Ninety Seven. And I was completely broke I had to borrow money to move to West Huntington West Virginia move to Huntington West Virginia because growth. Okay wow they were paying a lot more money West Virginia. But it's best play. I had the best time I had the best time in my life there but anyway so I didn't do home health on the side and and what they usually do with newer grads is. I had to go out to the rural areas very poor areas and so I went out there. These older couple didn't have they. I didn't have anything nothing at all. And but the kindest I mean the couple salt of the earth people so I treated this guy for quite a while and afterwards the they wanted to give me something but they didn't have anything and so. She reached in the cupboard and she gave me her favorite mug. And and it's been twenty two years ago and I still have that Mog. I drank coffee out out of it this morning. Everything else. I've lost twenty two years. I've never lost cup. I've never broken that cup and I don't even just it's always there and has an has an awesome message on it and every time I look at that cop I'm like wow. This is what this is why I got into the profession for this. Yeah that's auto. I love that story. Keep keep your what I took. That was keep your eyes open for those situations that you get to impact someone's life but really they impacted yours and they're still do eh. When you see that that that Cup when break that's great You mentioned leadership books. Is there one that you'd recommend if a student was going to squeeze it in I would say oh. Oh Gosh above. The line above line is a simple easy book. It's by Urban Meyer. It'll give you a leadership strategy. It's strategy to kind of follow a nice formula. And it'll really help you with your behavioral skills. I'll say that yeah who's a basketball coach right. Yeah but admire volleyball volleyball. That's it ready to do. Your parting shot sure. This is the parting shots party. Shot is brought to you by rock tape more than just a tape company their movement company. Yes they're the leaders in the world in kinesiology tape find them online at rock tape dot com slash medical for your medical provider discount. But they've also got the tools like rock blades. Rock Pods Rock floss to get your patients moving stronger about the classes to your movement classes as well check those online again it rocked dot com and rock tape dot com slash medical for your p. t. discounts parting shot mic. Drop moment or a sentiment. You'd WanNa leave with the audience remember. Somebody's name say somebody's name so in our fellowship. We're mentoring they have to say. The patient's name three times because with all our patient satisfaction reports that we get back every month. They said my name they remembered. Remember my name so if you can remember. Somebody's name and say their name. It'll take you far. Let me put that way seems small but if you're paying attention if you're not paying attention to the opposite you're not not even paying attention with the patient's name is they pick up on the absolute. What's your football love? The PT Pine Cast. Yes yes the show Joe telling a friend or by leaving review on nineteen or Google. Play all right. We've got a few more student physical therapists coming up to the stage. Now it's here for these ladies man. I gotta get an entourage like that. That's pretty good all right ladies. Introduce yourselves resolves. I'm Kara I'm a third year and I'm from. I lived in Ohio my whole life. I'm from southeastern Ohio. Near West Virginia and I did my Undergrad and athletic training in northeastern Tayo. And then now I'm here now you're here. I'm a second year Owen Owen on. Oh okay that's fine. I'll editor Sal. Okay we're introduce yourself south there. We go I'm kristen. I'm a second year and I'm from chillicothe the Ohio's a little bit smaller watch. They lost more than Columbus. I so we bring you guys up to talk about something that you so you guys take pretty seriously here. The Ohio State University but it's also a national and international initiative. What are you guys really excited about? We're just really excited about service service in general We have our own service committee here at Ohio State and so it's something that's really important to us but then. PT Day of service that international aspect is really really important to be a part of as well so we have our own service events throughout the year but services really a day to schedule a whole bunch of events throughout the week. Yeah yeah there was a bunch of a state students at the national student. Conclave right you guys. We're out there. Show hands there. You go and you guys got to to hear Josh Dangelo Story. What are the guys who founded hip? Dave service I didn't know part of that story. It was really really unique. If you want to go and listen to that episode. This is me pimping my own show in my own show very Meta but it was really great to see the why behind. PTA of service. And the reason I want Josh to tell a story in that format was for students coming in right now there's just kind of always been PD day of service but at one point there wasn't day service he had to create it What about what about service so far here at Ohio state has really really excited you to the point where you're talking about the show? It's really nice to see like the impact even that we can make those short few hours like so far this year we volunteered at a food pantry. We also went and served meals at a Homeless shelter and then we also volunteered at this like local community garden and we just did a lot of stuff like at the garden landscaping. And it's just like a really cool opportunity early and you can tell that. The People are very appreciative. So it just like we build those relationships with them and it makes us wanNA come back and it just kind of makes you feel good. You know you're making an impact. Yeah that's just a just make some noise if you were part of that so decent. How do you guys pick because you guys have done some different initiatives over the years through? Pta Service how do you guys pick gets mainly by feedback from the year before so we tried the farm that we helped out with. Everybody loves that event so we tried to make that happen again this year but also have a couple of community partners like I mentioned earlier that we do Events throughout the year. So we try to coordinate with them as well and then just based on student votes so that you guys done the past I wanted to. How these differ? You guys created holiday cards around Christmas and brought them to residents at Dodd Rehabilitation Hospital title. You guys worked with Donald House charities which is near and dear to my heart and I want to talk about the laundry project. The name kind of confused me but it's really cool. Yeah so the laundry project as an organization where it helps low income families like do their laundry so they have these different events laundromats and people can come in and the laundry project project will pay for their laundry. They'll supply the detergent. They'll help them do it. And like those people a lot of the times like they announced that those events are going to happen but a lot of times. The people like don't realize is it. And so when they come in there and they realize that their lawn is going to be paid for their like really ecstatic about it and so people go like tell their friends and then they'll bring their neighbors and their friends and they'll all get their laundry dining so it's it's a really cool experience. It's a really really good way to set someone up for success right and you guys ever backpack like in Europe breath or go camping for like more than like not glancing. I mean like actual camping where you have to bring your own food and just that feeling of like just living in I mean I did it delivered and dirty clothes when I first saw vanillin like these guys are doing laundry. How does that relate But that's a great way to work in the community. So good on you guys what would you say to someone listening. Or maybe first years who right now are just kind of bright eyed and deer in headlights of why they should get involved with PTA service in the future. Well we have service requirements throughout our program so we have our own student clinic and so it's a great opportunity to to be a part of physical therapy and serving underserved populations in the community as well as having some service learning events but these PTA of service events or something outside of the field of physical therapy so it gives you another opportunity to get out in the community serve with your classmates or with your professors as well. That's always fun to have them there or some other. PT's just from the OSU system in general. So I think just taking that extra minute to invest in the community and just kind of hit on your values and things that are important portent in life in general and just get away from PT schools. Yeah I think I said this top of the show you start to see things that are themes that were not planned talking about values. We're talking about getting getting something from you know doing something and having that resume and I think that was kind of all throughout what all of you and actually brought so good on you guys for doing that. What's your ladies talking about? PD serving the PT. PODCAST is a product of PT Podcast LLC it is hosted and produced by PT PT. podcast CEO Jim McKay and Cbo Sky Donovan from Marymount University we talk PT. Drink beer and recorded this has been another poor from PT PODCAST PD intended for educational purposes. Only no clinical decision making should be based solely on one source care is taken to ensure accuracy factual errors can be present more on the show at Tynecastle DOT com. All right shoulder they brought to you by the Brooks Institute of Higher Learning in Innovator and providing advanced post professional education education brooks. 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Are the Daylilies Around by Trees Causing Problems With the Tree Roots?

Your Gardening Questions

02:39 min | 9 months ago

Are the Daylilies Around by Trees Causing Problems With the Tree Roots?

"We moved to a property that has two trees in the backyard. Both of the trees were surrounded by plantings of daylilies, very very heavy and I was told me that the reason our trees are not doing very well because the one tree especially half of it seems to have died and it's like you can physically take your hands and pull away chunks of the bark. It just doesn't look healthy at all. It looks like it's I don't know like it is dying. But why I was told that never ever plant flowers around the base of the tree, which we did not do that. But down here in the last week. We did try to dig the day really that which is a job in itself because they really infiltrate the ground. Yeah, you gotta be careful of pulling to me on a daily is out because those tree roots are now infiltrated between those daily routes as well. I think if you have a mature tree and you're going to re-landscape underneath the tree and you're going to replant wage If it and dig holes and do a bunch of stuff, you definitely can cause problems to those tree roots, but you gotta think of the woods and the native trees, you know, they they grow constantly with stuff growing underneath around them and and stuff like that. So I'm not sold the daily Daily Star the problem there could be something else going on in there. So it really it's hard to say without seeing it, I definitely would look and trying to get a certified Arborist out there to evaluate it and see what's going on. But my hunch is is not the data boost. I did call Ohio State agricultural school and they were supposed to send somebody out with this has been like it's a very beginning of Summer and no one has shown up. So yeah, they they I know they've been busy of it and send it to him and she said there is obviously a problem with it. But that was what she had said to me do not put flowers around the base of a tree branch has through Spike for the nutrients in the water and you know just to stay healthy I guess but the tree itself like I say it just it looked horrible and you can I take your hand if you wanted to and just pull away big chunks of the bar with that indicate that it's that it's dead or dying. That's definitely not a good sign when you have bark fallen off or you can pull the bark away. That's definitely something big going on there. So I would say definitely take a look at it take a look at it. If you if you get on my website, we have a contact area. You can feel free to send me some pictures. You're happy to take a closer look at it off. Oh, you definitely have to be careful of flowers around the trees and and planning around the trees, but that shouldn't be causing the the death of the tree.

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Perspectives from a Former Buckeye Football Player with Chimdi Chekwa

Entrepreneur Perspectives

39:45 min | 2 years ago

Perspectives from a Former Buckeye Football Player with Chimdi Chekwa

"Welcome to the podcast, entrepreneur perspectives building in protecting your business. One podcast of time a cat source, family production in this episode, we discussed life in the NFL sports and business and the Ohio State buckeyes culture. This podcast exists in large part because of Casio the content marketing business inside cat source Inc. Calcium is excited to bring the content marketing services, use the castle to you. Learn more by visiting Cassiem dot com. Back back. Our guest today is Jimmy check wa current NFL free agent and entrepreneur chimney is a former Ohio State buckeyes football player and current entrepreneur. Zik co owner of the pit barbecue grill in Columbus, Ohio. He also has his hands in other ventures that we touch on in this chap, you may remember chimney from his days with Yoho state buckeyes, where he was a first team, all American cornerback after college chimney was drafted in the fourth round by the Oakland Raiders in the two thousand eleven NFL draft through much, perseverance and motivation. Chimney gives us insight around why he is. So passionate about sports. And entrepreneurship chimneys examples of self-awareness incontinent, permanent run full display in our chat because incredible mindset and desire to succeed has a so excited to feature him on this podcast and anytime I get a chance to talk Buckeye football. I'm taking it and was so much talk about. Let's get right into this episode and welcome Ohio State Buckeye, great. Chimney, check wa I heard you on beanie wells and boom, herons podcast and you guys were talking about the days playing with coach tressel. Incredible. I think it's been an incredible run. I mean how statesman on incredible run for decades, of course? But when trussell got here, I think the culture change even more. I mean just obviously looking at how how states handling plane, Michigan and beating Michigan seems like almost every time they go out. But there's a culture there and just talk a little bit about that, because you came early on Chessel had been here for years, but you came here early on when coach tressel got here. Talk a little bit about what coach tressel means to you as a person. And as a player. Yeah. I think trestle was just a good leader leader man. Or at least a leader of war is transitioning into you come in men, you did a good job of, of instill in, in us. What what's important? Reminded us. What's important giving us total of, on how to actually maintain our focus and kind of cut through all the distractions and stuff that are out there and the honest, you know, coming from high school to allow stay, I just just on just knowing trestle and pretty much my eyes coast. That, that type of leadership was kinda what I thought every player tad. Every coast did but wasn't until I got the NFL and kinda was away from trestle for a lot. I realize he was unique in that, not only that he can. You also get a great job, connecting people and connected with failures families, and remembering everything about their families, and that friend. That's like that. So he will unique in that you really know how to know connect with individuals. And I think that helped me all my time at house stated, Astor I'm sure, and so like you go to the NFL and you're having conversations with guys and practice and you're sitting down for dinner and they're probably asking you about your experience at Ohio State. So it's what did what did other people go through the just not have that type of leadership at their school because I think so many people took it for granted. You know, people on the outside. I'm talking about of what a coach Jim tressel could mean to, to the to the to the program and to players like yourself. And I think it's a great point because you don't know unless you're in there and then hearing, you tell the story some years later, manages makes you look back in always admired coach trussell. You know, from reading his book, the winters manual and obviously talking to a player like yourself, that, live that, you know what, like how does that conversation come up when you're talking to other NFL players because you're, you're all of a sudden, you're getting with a group of guys that are coming from all over the country. Right. So many different programs. A lot of guys had different experiences. Some, that's similar with with their coaches, and their schools are so different experience. I mean, you got NFL there's no, they'll discrimination when it comes to what school, you're gonna come from even got guys come from smaller schools, d three school. You've got guys coming from the biggest university's good football fan basketball team that there's really diverse in that aspect. But I'm yeah. Now, I'd had so many different experience. And I know a lot of God would say, you know, I wish I went through. Faithful guy like Tressler. I mean that's just the reality of it. Not everybody was would they would benefit forget, coaching it. It did. I would say help God in different way. Like some guys didn't have that type of leadership. But they they, they kind of glue early. They kind of had to, to make it to the NFL. They had to kind of find their way and grow up a little bit sooner. And that allowed them when they got in for already have that kind of driving focus to, you know, be able to, to dictate their schedules and not have to rely on the coast to the rent them leading were, and then in any way. But I know for me, I think the biggest thing translated for me is to be able to understand football with football. And there is life outside of that, that you need to make sure that you. While you also improving yourself on absolutely will like you're saying there's a lot of different ways to get there. You might be fortunate to have someone like trussell on your life, and other people might have been unfortunate to have someone else excuse me, but there's different ways to get there. Like you said those that, you know, see the obstacle that maybe in their way they can overcome that by, like you said growing up early. And there's a couple of things I want to touch on in a minute. We're getting a transition a little bit. But comparison, right. So I think we got to end the debate once and for all you, you're from New Orleans, and you lived in Florida, are you, you played high school ball in Florida. You come to Ohio State, and so you've seen it right. You've seen football on some of the biggest of the best states that are known out there. And we talk about whose debut ultimately who is DVU LSU is obviously talked about a lot of Hieaux state another some schools in Florida. Maybe somewhere out in Texas, and California wanna claim that, but you've seen them all up close. So let's end that debate right now who is DU. Definitely how stay without question. If I was if I was to choose the second school, I would probably lean for us, Texas. And that may be interacting with a lot of guys who went to Texas, but outside of that house say, that's what that question. Yeah. I mean so I'm. No comparison. No comparison, so, and I agree because I'm from Buffalo New York. And remember the days when Antoine Winfield Nate Clements, come along and it seemingly, like constantly every year, you know someone like us they're a lot of recent draft picks. Marshon Lattimore Denzel ward and just go pick a name from year. Right. And you're gonna find someone who just athlete talent. You know, technical skill you all these different things. What is it about Ohio State? That's turning out your after year incredible defensive backs. I think so. Some things one is recruiting well so good for us. They are. Part of it is development. I think one thing, especially playing corner, you need to be self aware understand. We're what's and anything you do. But so much at the point about position because there's there's, there's a coaches to tell you what you need to do on the field like this is what you're supposed to be at this. Let's be, there's so many nuances and gray area when it comes to tame corner where you can't necessarily coach everyone in the same like people move differently than react differently. So you have to figure out how you're gonna play this, this investment. What's fits you? How should you or your XP? How would you react to certain things? And I think just being a smart player helps you understand yourself and develop in that way, so that you'd be able to maximize your full potential. I think like me, Malcolm Jenkins who we were if five star guys, right? So we're a guy that people would have rejected for to, to be on Americans. Make it to them at Phil. But we had great colleagues careers. And I think part for that is coaching the party's main take the coaching, and then apply say, okay, this is why I supposed to do, but let me make fit my style of play that I can make sure maximum value. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, it's, it's it seems to me like there's a you have to rise to that level. Right. There's an expectation you show up there. Like you just said, this is Deby you and whether you're Texas LSU house later somewhere else, there's an expectation that's put on you. Which is a lot of pressure. You have to deal with as a young man growing up. And but at the same time, it seems like there's a culture of helping everybody out from the coaching staff to the players to even former players. I mean you watch a game on Saturday. And like you said, if Malcolm Jenkins or someone like that has an off day in the NFL their possibly coming back in on the sidelines and you see them like helping these guys out if they make a mistake, you know, pushing them you get back. You're going to be okay. And it seems to me like you've got a raise that level, but also not only raising that level. There's a lot of support out there so huge support system at Ohio State. Both when you come there and then after you leave and to me, it seems like this culture is incredible. And you turn on the the spring game. I mean so many former players are coming back and just still a part of it. They don't leave and just leave forever there there you fraternity if you will of just guys want to support each other. But at the same time you have to raise your own level to get to that level to stay there into a part of that, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the torches Pez when, when you're at that point, where you're taking it over you have to I mean, you see, you know, the guys who came before you see you see everybody's pictures and stuff. Hanging up. You watch their film. He takes part of what they've done and try to add it to your game and you try to raise your level, and then other things is competition. You know, you gotta a Greg guy. The guys don't see the field. We'll probably be honest, and started other schools. So we get that type of competition in a lot of the, the guy who can figure it out or the best guy to rise, top, and breezy. He's kind of player that come while state. So you transition like you said, you're coming to a high state. There's a big transition in, but there's also the transition from college to the NFL and, and we're going to go we're gonna bounce around here little bit. But transitioning from Ohio State to the NFL around that time, I know how state was going through some stuff, and I don't know if you can speak on any of this, because you've already spoken about what an important person, Jim tressel was in your life, and it was disappointing. I think for a lot of Ohio State fans that the media just decided in the NCAA decided that we're gonna make we're going to we're going to put Ohio State in a bad light. And maybe some, some stakes were made and all that, but it was disappointing from the standpoint of you hear what you have to say about someone like Jim tressel. How disappointed were you in all that went on and all the chatter that you hear behind the scenes of people who really just don't know what they're talking about? It was just the point. I mean, it it's one of those things in the media, I mean, whatever gonna drive traffic whatever's going to drive viewers. It's what they do. So but if you can turn on something big something great. I mean when when things on good, build them up, because when they get a lot of yours, and then if we see something that can, what does a little bit of smoke, and we can make something of they take that opportunity. It was very disappointing for me, because I mean, if you really step back and look at what actually happen and looked at really does the true. Details of what happened and thought about it in terms of being being NCWA, and what's happening in the SEA way starts are you'll be like, yeah. This is this is really a non issue. Now, if a role was broken the rose broken right? That, that has to be carried out whatever your rules are. But the way it the way. A fire in the media was traded to a point where, you know, people were reported hitting me up on Facebook and asked me questions. But for what happened say that you can tell me in our I'm like nothing. You know, there's nothing use that have there's no big story, it was just this, this is very, very small thing in the grand scheme of things. So I was very disappointed. Never changed the way I feel about trust and trestle at all the behind this. I was kinda hurt me that he had to go through all that stuff. But I mean that's, that's, that's what the media does. That's, that's the way it is. And then the day perception is reality. So if your house as always in the news about something negative, regardless of what it is that story to be taking on a proportion. That's right. I mean sports media is in, in many times, it's not everybody. Right. But it's click bait and, and then. You get the court of public opinion, who they forced the issue to say. Well, everyone got so excited because finally Ohio states out of the picture, we can eliminate them because they're done. And, you know, for for a minute that kind of happened, it seemed like but then it changed again. So trust is gone on to do amazing amazing things. He's a leader. You hear him talking to like you said, former players on podcast. And, you know, he's on social media sharing his wisdom. And I think we're all lucky that he still doing those things, and obviously, you, you've you've lived with it, but then urban Meyer and you're, you're gone at this point, you've gone to the NFL urban Meyer shows up at Ohio State, and it was like, hold on a second. We just as the media, and the let's call them the haters of Ohio State. We thought Ohio State was out of the picture, and now you're going to go in and bring in urban Meyer and urban had, you know there's a negative perception about him and what he did a Florida and how he's grooming his players and, you know, he shows up, and I think people who are part of the highest state program realize men urban. He's a good guy. Guy, and he's got a lot of good things going on. But there's for whatever reason there's negative perception, followed him in, in the haters, just kind of wanted to continue to bring it down. Have you been around the program while we're you around the program while urban was there and what was your? What are your thoughts on what he was doing? Yeah. I've been around and I mean my thought so either raising to, to come in recruit, he always recruited will tell you that and then continue to develop players to the type of guys you see going in the first round second round every year. I thought it was a great job. And he's, I mean he's not a good guy. But in a leadership position, also also getting guys, the necessarily resource and things that need to be able to build up. There is they're learning their understanding outside of football, internships, and all those things. So I thought he done a great job. And I, I really expect Ryan day to continue that tradition. Yes. So they've had some changes on the defensive side of the ball rights and coaches have come in Jeff half. Louis, not sure if you've any relationship with him in the past, but going to be helping out, obviously with the defensive backs in there. Defense last year. Wasn't I think what you guys would expect it to be? But I would expect a big improvement this year. Have you been around the current crop of defensive backs that are going to be at Ohio State with coach Ryan day, you know, taking on his first year as the fulltime head coach? I haven't been around the turn. So I've been around the guys who, who are if your last year, so not, not the, the, the freshman that have come in, and I haven't been around the new coats and defensive cultures or anything, like that, just the guys who are who were here last year, actually coach Johnston with the DB coach last year. Quarterback was last year was my coach back when I played stay so he had eight came in, but they have a new guy there if I haven't been around his new crop completely the new crop of, of cornerback. But, you know, I always pretentious for him I thought I thought they a defense they underachieve last year I didn't have I didn't agree with every day. Thing that was done. Schematic -ly. So I'm hoping that, that the changes and I have realized experts, I think the guys that are they now have a great ability. So excited to see what they do this year. Well, it's interesting that you say that you didn't agree with a lot of things that they were doing with their scheme. And I think a lot of people, you know, whether it's fans and you try not to play Monday morning quarterback. But I think there was a big agreement in that way. What is going on, like, why is this happening? Why are they just you know bussing out eighty runs like left and right? It almost seemed like I mean this team is too good for that. But that's just it right each. Sometimes it just doesn't work for whatever reason. And there's a lot of moving parts to football. I'm always amazed by how a college football program that can have success because there's so much happening in the game of football. I'm eve eleven players on the field for each side. You got coaches, you got people up in the booth. I mean, there's this communication, there's, there's athleticism. There's just there's so much has to go and you live. On the island on the outside playing cornerback. I mean you could be the like you could be the one that makes the mistake everyone else does their job and next thing you know you're the receivers run in for a touchdown in they're all looking at you. I mean, how, how did you live in that world? You know, obviously you've played it for a long time. But there's so much happening in the game of football. How did you deal with that? Really the challenging yourself to, to be the best at that you can really be like I've a lot of time ago out gotta Housego that committed that sense, I only getting better. I wanna get a bit. And as long as I'm always getting better, and I'm gonna do my job, and then from there, I am kind of the other ten guys do job to make sure that this whole thing works, I think everything about football, one guy didn't do the job. They can really ruining entire these. So you know a lot of times. I don't like the scheme that you don't really truly know if he wanted this game. Or if you want to one individual just not getting to the spot that he's supposed to get. Right. So, yeah. I mean that's, that's pretty much it. Yeah. It's I it applies in business. Right. I mean, we're, we're gonna get into that in a little bit and talk about more transition and entrepreneurship. But going back to two plane at Ohio State. She you came in. I think your first year was oh, six if I'm not mistaken. That's right. Yeah. Okay. So you were there for the one versus two game Ohio State, Michigan was that the craziest environment you'd ever been in a wanna say, yes, when I'm not completely sharing. I've been crazy you. It is. Yeah. You things. I mean historically speaking though, I, I was at that game, my father and my brother and my, my parents met at Ohio State, which I was born. Right. Into the family of buckeyes, and father always said, this is it. And if you ever even consider going that team up north school up north, you can just leave right. But we're at six game. And just, you know, the history behind it Bodine the day before. I mean just just a crazy out here to get that anyway. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. And it was the name of my first year freshman like that. I you went by so fast. So it's like I remember like three days for you. I do remember after winning two games. I thought it was crazy with. Think that might change the field, whatever. Next year. I remember people picking up grass like they were taking like blocks of grass off from the field after the game, taking it home. And I remember later on that night going out walking down high street, if as somebody walking on the street that night with, with a, a boxing of grasping your hands. I thought that might be crazy to stay on the name. Yeah. But that's a high of state, right? And that's the culture and I heard you talking about this as well on, on a podcast where he's just Saturdays in Columbus, high street. It's just gets going early, and it doesn't stop until you know, it doesn't matter what time they gives us a noon game mid afternoon or, you know, my goodness, if it's a Nike forget about it, but. The it's just like how do you explain it, man? Like you show up there and you came from Florida. And like you said he spent time in Louisiana you come up to Columbus. And did you even know what was going on before you ever got there? Like what this craziness called Buckeye nation is all about. I've been fully. No, my, my picture of Columbus, Ohio was so completely messed up. I didn't really know much about Ohio, so Columbus, there are new, Columbus was the capital city. But at the same time I thought it was like, just like a small college town didn't really make sense. So I didn't realize how many people were actually incorrupt. So, you know, living in the south college towns, you ought to Gainesville Florida on Saturdays. I mean football is all there is going on in entire place. So you expect everybody to just kinda you spec the area just shut down for football because it's you know it's a smaller smaller area. But then when you come to Columbus, you like there, there's a lot of people here. Right. And then on, on a Saturday is like it feels like a small town. I feel like everybody is focused on the football game. And it's just amazing to me that how so many people could be on the cord and we supporting this one thing, and it's it's college football. It's not a professional team. I'll go with you would I would argue that. It's more you get more support around house, they football, and it's running away as more professionally, I would agree with that. I think there's, there's a few cities in the NFL, and you've probably played in different stadiums, and you'll being from buffalo, I think, to support the have is it reminds me almost of a college town, when you show up to Columbus, Ohio state game day, I just I haven't been all different places, but I don't know if there's much like it. And I think as a player, I would imagine then you just gotta eat it up in us. You know, it's probably pretty easy to get up on on game day where the scarlet and gray. And again, LA pressure to live up to the expectations, every single year our national championship. I mean first of all, when the big ten you gotta beat Michigan. Right. And it's just you have to beat them because it's going to ruin everybody's year. If you don't and then you gotta get now you have to get in the playoff which a little bit for you. But you had to get the BCS yeti in the playoff, you've got to go win the national championship him. He's expectations are enormous. Do you feel that as a player, you know, because I've talked to different people? And everyone's got like you said before some people go to smaller schools they wanted to go to school because they wanted to play right away. Some people want to go to the big schools, because they want to do all that possibly and also have an opportunity to play or win a national championship, but I've talked to players national championship necessarily wasn't what they were all about. There's other things that are going on. And incredible experience in college like when you're at Ohio State. Did you feel that man we can't lose if we'd let a bad play happen? That's not good. Let alone losing a game. Or let alone losing to the team up north or possibly not making it to the ultimate goal because so much that goes on in sports. Right. So much go out and footballers. There's a lot of ring chasing, perhaps you'd see that in the NBA but it can't just all be about winning championships. I know it is right to some level, but it's that journey. It's at experience. I mean but talking to someone like yourself who's played at high levels in high school college, and the NFL talked a little bit about just the journey in and of itself, and the expectations that you felt as a player playing for how state. Yeah. But that that ultimate goal of winning a championship. It's time. It's embedded into the journey for you so flied. In the summer when I'm lifting weights or doing some type of conditioning. I'm thinking man, I mean to. I need to make sure I get this tend to do. So I can be the type of player is going to be a all be ten types caliber player, so I can ultimately be on the big stage win championship and make their big players Michigan and stuff like that. So you definitely definitely definitely ultimate goal is kinda it's kinda ingrained into you. Day to day, but actually tensions. I super high, I think I think a lot of guys who are capable, they don't, don't fully do the things that they're capable capable of because those pressure because of the expectation that Ohio State, and I think part of the coach's job is to make sure that the player players can understand the goal, but also stay loose. And 'cause it's a lot of guys. And I think coaches can help with recognizing taking a garden saying, well, there's expectations, but you need to do these specific things and focus on these different things, and you'll be able to reach those heights resuls expectations. Well, yeah, I mean I don't how stay national championship bust. And if you don't reach that level, that is okay. We gotta be big ten champion that you can't get to that. We got we got to be misused, but I remember playing and always feeling like if we lost more than if we lost two games. More than two games for like a season. So we, we lost one game like that may not, you know, you want, especially in my, my time, it was it was they was no playoff or anything. So you one is like, okay, we're not gonna make it to NASA tips. Now we have to win the big ten and we can't lose lose another game. You lose the game it was like, man, we go we go back. We watch be walking here fantasy sitting on like, damn we'd sucked. Yeah. And then I mean, to you might have enough until the based on to how things so played out, then the third loss is like, oh, man. This is a bad feeling for. So it was the, the margin of error was so small, and we understood that and we, we embraced it. Yeah. Well, you're there's a few things going on there. First of all, it's individual. And you touched on this earlier, it's individually. Do your job, right. We talk about that in our business all the time. You know, you can get over, you can get you can over think things because you're trying to do so many other people's jobs. But if you just do the tasks that you're supposed to do and help out where you can help out and you we, we can get to where we want to go. But first of all, you have to do your job. That's you win in the championship that day. But then, also you're talking about the ultimate goal right being the championship, and that's ingrained in the journey. So you have an eye on that ultimate prize. And then you let's say you lose. Right. That's the three games. Right. So there are failures. There is winning and losing sports. Right. I know we talk about an eighth place trophies and it's kind of crazy. What's society breeds? But there's a team. There's an football game was the team that wins. And there's a team that loses and there have been banned calls throughout or lucky situations. Who knows? But someone wanted someone lost. Right. But if you had a good season, three losses, I get a house, h like, man, we, we did not succeed this year, but you have one loss. Right. You look at the year after. So the I would look at first of all, let's go back. Six you win. You have an incredible season Heisman Trophy quarterback. You go on you beat Michigan. The one verse to I mean that's the game to remember. I get it a few. I think it was like six or seven weeks later, which first of all the me is just that was insane at the time, like, hold on house. They either beats Michigan, and you gotta wait. I think they looked at the Philadelphia Eagles played like. Seven or eight games in between when Ohio State played beat Michigan and had to play Florida for the national championship. I was like, we walked out of that stadium that day and I've not a part of it at all. And I have no idea. I'm like, man. I don't know how you get up after that game again. And you have to wait two months almost to play. And then you go out and you lose it it wasn't a great game. I remember Ted gained gets hurt like opening kickoff, and things happen. But like is that an unsuccessful season because you didn't win the national championship? I mean I didn't see it like that at all. Yeah, it's disappointing in the time and it's probably takes a little bit to get over. And we're still talking about it today. But do you look back at that moment, and be like, man? That was an incredible journey. You guys were on that, that team was on. Did you see that as a negative? Do you see like talk to me about that a little bit? Well, there's always so first season was big ten champion Cigna season was the ball game. And it was hard to hers to really. I mean automatically ultimately, you're like okay want to win the big game when it went to champs, you will hard to merge them together because there were so far apart. And you couldn't even spill your destiny in terms of webinars. You made it to that say, somebody selected you so obviously, if you wanna see at Ohio State you most likely going to make, but there was no guarantee. But then once you lose a game then it's like okay, they have to decide so are you split the season of be okay? Let's, let's take care of the big ten let's BT's people who are the teams right in front of, and then that, that that's over with. And then you have to come off of that even completely take a little bit of a break. And you start working towards either number two, which was whatever bowl game you ain't or whatever the national championship where I'm gonna talk BCS gang for championship. So what that next the next big game? So the season when the success would see number two is not the, the championship game was not a success. And really kinda that's how. I. Well, I always looked at it even after the and then we had a really good season choice. The Heisman Trophy winner and really good season. We had a very bad bowl game. And it's only you almost have to separate it because the way it was structured. It was really. So it was it was unlike a a season football game. Because now you're you're preparing for a team for a month with Fisher completely different than the way you know football operate. So that's right. Well, and then it happened the next year and that was crazy because it will annoy. Right. I think Illinois upsets you guys. And at that point, it was like it's over. Right. We're not going to go in and then the last day of the year lasted college football in West Virginia was playing. LSU was down there. Like number six or seven all of a sudden, when that evening when the late games ended a house, it was in right? You guys were in because everyone else had lost salsa and how Sates number one like, hold on. This is crazy. We're having arguments about who number two is how state was on outside looking in that was nuts. Do you remember that? You talk about like, not remember a lot from early in your college career 'cause I get it because it's probably like so many things are happening. The next thing you know, you're playing in the national championship for LSU where you grew up, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And now with your two for me. So I remember everything. Okay. And we, we actually watched it two games. I think one game was was West Virginia. I think they're playing Pittsburgh. No other game was Arkansas playing LSU. I believe no, not, not Arkansas playing zuri. Maybe that's it. I it was very with the other team. It was. Yeah. It was. Two teams that were wanted to flip the junior. I think or somebody else that nobody really thought they would be into there's nobody expected those teams that actually being up there wasn't any was really good there year, Pat white and everything. So we watch both games. I'm just brought a volunteer team may put the games on big screen and we're rooting for one of the teams to lose. Like, number three or whatever. It's a number one and now we try to figure out. Okay. Well, who are we gonna play because feel like everybody loan? So there was like a question of who we wanted to play? And of course, FCC. Because we're strong. We're gonna put SEC team in there but yeah, I mean that was my, my restaurant I mean year. So I started in that a national championship game, and it's weird because the LSU their tendencies all year which I mean you should do, but the tendency all year during the money I really go receive fail different guys throwing the ball said all receivers. They broke that Tennessee, and they really just kinda ran the ball and through the Boston tight end who they never threw the Baltimore here. Yeah. And that really got better of us. Yeah, we'll keep started off. Good. I know. But yeah. I mean it's a crazy time because I remember watching ESPN and, and all the coaches were coming on in the analysts and everyone's like campaigning and they're talking about who should be there. And it's it's in a way it's fun because it's you gotta watch it right? Like you guys are sitting there watching it worse it in their watch. Everyone's washing like this is fascinating. Got. Oh, wait. Like who's going to be number two and whose Ohio State gonna play. And then you look you fast forward to today, a lot of that's happening again. And I think they certainly loved the debate, but to me, it's kind of crazy because football's played on the field like we could sit here and argue all day about who's better and who would win and know there's a sumptious that there's matter-of-factness of like, well it's an SEC team. So, of course, the SEC team needs to go because they're the best and it's. It's a lot of people who, who don't understand it. And you know, doubt the SEC's very good. But it's kind of crazy to me, right? That that's how we're deciding national champions on not Ness decided the national championship on paper, but who's going to play for it on paper, and then we're gonna Massey's teams up in a game that's going to be a month away. Maybe two months away as a player. It's frustrating, it's gotta be. Completely slow, but I mean you just kind of death to, you know. The flawed system because I mean on the honest, there's no perfect way to do things especially when you got college athletes for amateur. You know if you wanna call them amateur amateur. So you can't you can't have a long playoff where you have guys who came here to go to school and play football. But now you drag on their season and football unique in that it's not like basketball or you can play one day and then the next day you can put another game. You you play a game this week. You left the way the week next game because you have three cover from all the you know running into each other the week before. So to really create a real play offs. I don't think it's it may eventually do it. But I don't think it makes sense. It's right for college football because he's got on getting paid to do this. I mean some point you gotta let their gang. So a certain amount of games, they can't play on and on and on. So it's a floor is a smart way to do things and it's a tough this is being when you're, you're close. But you don't know if you're gonna get it because you can't control it. You can do everything right on the field. You can win all the games. It's supposed to win. Imagine who I, I don't know. I think it was UCF one year when they won. I think they went undefeated. Yep. Now. Game now. And from there they just went to a ballgame. It's like. We did anything with opposed to do. We'd beat everybody that put in front list. And we don't have even the option is foregone conclusion before we even step on the field that we can't make it to play off. They may end up doing a good job and beating a big school in the ball game. But it's like it doesn't matter. They've already decided that we can't make it. So it's definitely floor away. But then I mean my SIS law. You can only control what you can control it then day. So that's the way it is. It is. Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean so this is a few things there, too. So first of all going back a little bit. You compartmentalize it. I love how you explain that. So you say we had a successful season and we had this next season in we did not have a successful season. So what can we do to get better from there? And I think we can cut mental is a different things. You can have failures. Right. I think it's okay to lose their in recognize that loss and get better for. And then looking at will we get in the NCAA in a second. Just Amateur Athletic says a whole but a flawed system. What are you going to do about it, because you Jim to you can't be it'll house as well? This is a fly, you might be to change it down the road and people get to go so we got to change this. But in the moment, the rules are the rules. What are you going to do about it? And you just have to play with it. Like you said, do what you can control. And I'm, I'm sure that's what coach trussell was talking a lot of. Out of we can only control what's in front of us. We do the best that we can with that in the week. Let the chips fall where they may. Right. And that's, that's the way it's the only way to look at it because if not you just drive yourself crazy. I know it drives fans crazy but but would you're saying like we're gonna play out. They are going to push. We're gonna go to eighteen we'll go to sixteen teams. It's like if you watch in the NBA final's just ended when record in this last night. And I mean.

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Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith on decision to play a conference-only schedule

Columbus Concerns

19:58 min | 1 year ago

Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith on decision to play a conference-only schedule

"This is Columbus concerns. Public Affairs Presentation of North American Broadcasting. Here's your host Mark News. Good morning and thanks for joining us today on Columbus concerns a Kobe nineteen date for central Ohio. This week the big ten announced that it was going to a conference. Only schedule that of course will impact the economy here in central Ohio whether or not, there's Ohio state football. The League, also saying it was uncertain whether there can be football at all this fall. The Ohio State Athletic Director Gene. Smith held a conference call with reporters this week. We'll start off by bringing some of his comments this morning on Columbus concerns. To get to I, guess I'll start with maybe the Oregon series, and what the future that might be now that you moved to this any any discussions with them about how to move forward with those two games. I've talked to off the real. Are Not Conference opponent athlete directors, including Oregon of course and. We've agreed to talk in the future. You know the see for a we could try, and we schedule our contests, but that means that you're going to play next year too soon to know whether you're talking about the to Simone answer on that. Yes I'm sorry bills too early to know that we didn't get into detail so He and I were probably chat next week. so you know I call the. Three athletes, writers, today, and marketed buffalo. Bob Bully greeted rob at Oregon and. And share with them, or what are now would be They're all going through similar conversations in their league, so they're totally understanding. What I share with them that I would call the next week and see if we can try new schedule. So why been I? Adore did not get into any details. Sorry, Bill, thanks gene Can you tell us a little bit where the budget stands right now and what cuts you may have had to made and I guess if the Bowling Green and Buffalo. Payouts if those are not on the books for this next fiscal year does that I'll give you any further easing on cuts. You might have to make for the next fiscal year. So we we've already base some adjustments in our budget and we're working off of a two-month budget I was just like the rest of the University of approved trustees, and so being been pretty fluid with us and as we get. More understanding of what our future looks like relative to all of our this now we'll be more definitive with our budget. But I just pointed time day we, we haven't made final decisions and. Relative to the payouts again talk to them next week and will determine what. We have to do or not do so. I can't get it that at this point in time. Next up Dan. Hope from eleven, Warriors Bill Rabinowitz on Dan. Hey Gene you guys obviously made a decision yesterday to down of voluntary workouts for the time being Now you're making this move. Just what's your level of optimism or concern right now about Ohio state, actually being able to proceed forward, but playing fall sports. I'm really concerned I'm you know that's a great question? Is the question of the day I mean I. I Very considered thing coon our last conversation I whatever that was and I was. You cautiously optimistic You know I'm not even there now and. You. Look at D- behavior. Of our country and you consider that. In May We were on a downward trajectory. Cases and Our hospitals were Creating opportunities for people to come back and. Get the care that they did the Kobe and. elective surgeries and things of that nature and now. We're. If not the worst into world one of the worst. And Franklin County is is level three All that trajectory towards level four. so I I am A. Concerned. we may not be able to play. which is why we took the measure that we took in order to try, and and have September available to us. Confidence Games and give us a flexibility and control. to handle disruptions. If we're able to start a season, so I'm concerned about. Where we are on a just a just across the board relative to the management. Of the pandemic. As individuals I think our governor has done a phenomenal job. He we had a great trajectory downward. And as we. Just didn't respond to our opportunities. That will buy to us, and so you know it's. It's people need to follow the protocols. Your kids a chance to to compete. While do you feel like half the happen over the next two months to get to a point where football games and other fall, sports can be played. Well, I think one first and foremost. We're going to follow the lead of our our medical experts. Their vices has been. great for us as we've been through this process and then Schulkin safety of our student athletes is first and foremost, and so we were gonNA continue to follow early Obviously we each. the virus to be managed differently or did. It is now because we're we're. We're at a spike again. So? We need that and so at this point time we'll we'll wait Z.. Take the advice of our. Our medical experts when the big ten medical task force. And then obviously our will blessed with great medical advice. You locally as are the other schools. Thirteen of our fourteen schools have medical centers also, we have access to a tremendous advice. So, we'll just have to wait and see how our our different environments manage the pandemic and take their advice as we move Gobert. Hey Gene To Play season this year. Is, there have to be an acceptance. people at your level that this spree the virus is going to spread at least some into have the ability to ensure that or what what the expectation of how this has managed from. A team level for this to be manageable for birth season to happen because that makes sense. Yeah and and I don't know if I'll react to really answer that one a because. We're still learning as we go along and. You know we have it. you know begun to engage in. you know to practice? Is, so those protocols are being developed. By our. Big. Ten Task Force where emergency converging. Seizes and then sports medicine group. And we'll probably have some guidance from sea could be. Better safeguards. so We don't have that information yet, but we will get that big. We all know that July twenty fourth is where we can actually start. That basically on the current schedule. So. You, know we. We just have to wait and see determine if we can actually hold practice, and ultimately contests the way we need to protect your kids and. there's there's probably to your point. GonNa, have to be some level of acceptance, but I've you mitigate that. Don't know that's what we rely on the experts. and. That's the athletic director at Ohio State Gene Smith talking about the prospects of big ten football, even occurring this fall here in Columbus and in the other big ten cities. Governor Dewine made some remarks this week about Cova nineteen and what the state is doing and colleges and universities. Let's go to the remarks from governor to wine this week on colleges and universities and their guidelines for Covid nineteen last week we talked about the minimum requirements and steps that K. through twelve schools. will need to take to reopen Today we want to talk about our colleges and universities Hundred and sixty seven. Institutions of higher learning in the state of Ohio we're very very proud of these schools, public and private. Ohio's blessed to have them. They also of course are preparing to start up school again and for most of them. Returning to campus Colleges and universities really. Drive our economy. They drive the local economy of that village or city but they also drive our economy in many other ways. They train our future workforce their major employers. conduct the research and health and technology makes a high a national leader. That's why we're going to do what we can to support them. In this endeavor, the Ohio Department of Higher Education. In consultation with our colleges universities, how department of Health and health experts across the state produce guidance for campuses to reopen for students, faculty and staff in the safest way possible I wanNA give a shout out to Randy Gardner the chancellor who has worked. Tirelessly on this along with his team and had a lot of conversations with our colleges. Several months. we're releasing guidance today. Is At www corona virus dot, Ohio Dot Gov. Corona Virus Dot, Ohio. Dot Gov includes minimum operating standards that should occur all campuses in the state as well as best practices to further enhance those standards. But implementing these minimum requirements and implementing best practices are higher education communities continue to educate students and prevent the spread of covid nineteen. Ohio, two year and four year, colleges and universities or unique. Communities Students Faculty staff. As they plan for their operations this fall. Testing a will be an integral part of their comprehensive strategies to stop the spread of covid nineteen. He, each of Ohio's campuses must identify. How can best implement covert nineteen testing within the institution? Each campus must develop policies and procedures tailored to their particular campus. their particular community all related to covid nineteen testing, and the isolation of those students are showing symptoms, those faculty and staff members as well testing of these individuals showing symptoms. should certainly take priority over all other testing. Tactics. testing of we would hope would be completed within a short period of time after it's done so they can take the appropriate action. it is recommended that each campus either designate a university housing space to be set aside or secure local living space to be left empty, so that may be useful to rapidly relocate individuals who live in residence halls, fraternity, sorority, houses, or other institutional affiliate housing, those individuals who become symptomatic. Now, we know that. This costs money. we know that Kobe one thousand nine prevention efforts safety precautions educating students, the school year, safe and healthy environment will be certainly more expensive than it has been in the years past. And that is a significant. Burden, So to help address these increasing cost. I've spoken and worked with Speaker Householder. Senate, President Larry op off as well as Democrat leaders Yuko and Sykes All five of us. Have looked at this. All five of us of had our teams working on this. and we believe we have come up with something that will be. Very helpful. To both are K. through twelve schools. Okay through twelve schools as well as our colleges and universities both public and private. to start that we're requesting the controlling board. scheduled to meet I believe on Monday approve our initial request on Monday to allocate two hundred million dollars. For Higher Education. On one hundred million for K. through twelve of the Corona Virus Relief Fund to help meet these increasing costs as I, said we hope to have additional money and the the figure that we have been talking about for for example K. through twelve. is certainly higher than that initial one hundred million but we wanted to get this one hundred million out. and we want to let the schools be able to plan based upon that money that money coming. as I said this money comes from Federal Cares Act dollars I want to thank our members of the state of excuse me of the Federal Congress both in the House and the Senate for providing these care dollars funding comes from federal cares act dollars. And schools will be able to use it to meet their unique individual needs. We intend this funding to be flexible for example, and these are just examples a community college. We need assistance funding testing their student health center. a school district a local school district. May need a nurse to help with symptoms assessment, a university could use funding to purchase PPI. These are all examples of many things. Many ways that this money could be spent. Some may even shoes use this funding to provide connectivity to students and grow distance learning options. The bottom line is that we intend these funds to be used to serve students to prevent the spread of Covid nineteen and again we want our kids back in school We want them safe and this money will help. achieve that. At the K. through twelve level we intend to make the funding available to all public and private schools for higher educational institutions. We plan to make this available to two and four year, colleges and universities, public and private including adult career tech providers. To put it simply if you educate students in Ohio we want to provide additional support with some of the federal funding. We have available are request from. Our request In regard to the controlling board that we're asking the controlling board we, there is additional money though that I would point out. That is being made available through the Cares Act for education in the state of Ohio. Four hundred and Million dollars in direct. Cares. Act Funding. Is Available for our K. through twelve schools, four hundred forty million dollars This is money that when they incur a cost that they can draw this money this money down. the state's colleges and universities also received more than one hundred, ninety million of direct federal funding, so the two figures I've given you four hundred and forty million for K. through twelve, one, hundred, ninety, million for higher education in the in the state of Ohio that is in addition to the money that we're asking the state controlling board to approve on Monday. we hope that schools take advantage of this funding We certainly realize however that it may not cover. All of the increased expensive schools face during this pandemic. we're going to continue to to look to see if we can provide additional funds in the future, but we wanted to get started. With these with these dollars. Talk About a homeless homelessness, grant. In April announced a one million dollar grant to the coalition of Homelessness and Housing. To Support Homelessness, prevention efforts, and to rapidly rehouse individuals and families who were in fact experiencing homelessness those experience, homelessness certainly can be a great risk of contracting covert, especially, those in Cairo facilities such as homeless shelters. therefore it is important to do everything we can to keep them out of. Those situations with these resources We're going to be able to keep hundreds of highlands safely house during this pandemic. today announcing an additional. fifteen million dollar grant to ensure. OHIOANS can maintain their housing during this time. Cova nineteen is still very very much with US I. Don't have to remind anybody that and these resources will help. Thousands of families across our state stay housed. Stay housed. Stay healthy. And get ready for the future governor wind talking about the colleges and universities in the State homelessness and other issues I'm news. Thanks so much for joining us this week on Columbus concerns. Thanks for listening to Columbus, concerns a public affairs presentation of North American Broadcasting. You can send questions or comments about today's show to Columbus concerns in care of this station fourteen fifty eight. Dublin Road Columbus, forward three, two, one, five or email US said Columbus concerns at NAP CO MEDIA DOT com. I'm Andrew saw commissioner of Social Security beware threatening calls from telephone scammers pretending to be government employees. These calls are not from us. Hang up and report the call at Hawaii G. DOT SA Dot Gov.

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College Football Rivalry Week Picks and Previews

The Solid Verbal: Living College Football

1:25:57 hr | 2 years ago

College Football Rivalry Week Picks and Previews

"Navy federal has a mission to put its members. I by making their financial goals the priority receive a lifetime of membership benefits to help you and your family accomplish your life missions, like a full suite of financial products designed to fit your needs twenty four seven live support and access over three hundred branches on or near military bases. Visit navyfederal dot org. For more information or call one eight eight four to six three two eight or download the navy Federal Credit Union app. Message and data rates may apply. Welcome to the solid. Verbal. For me. I'm a man I'm far I've heard so many players. They want to be happy. You want to be happy for day day to stay down untie. Welcome back to the verbal boys. Girls money is tight Hildebrandt. Joining me as always late night. Right here on a Tuesday night early on thanksgiving week to make sure we have a show for all y'all traveling on thanksgiving Wednesday thanksgiving eve, I'm joined by Dan Rubenstein, sir. How are you? Thai. I am not only fantastic because it's rivalry week. And this is an extraordinary time on the college football calendar. I am particularly excited, and we have these matchups in front of us, Ty. Whether it's Ohio State Michigan. Whether it's the iron bowl, whether it's hell even the battle. What is it the golden chalet early? I believe it's shila. That's the way it's shila. But like, I I like to just call it a shell L E. Okay. Like, Donna Shalala. That's right. Not only do we have all of that. But we were talking off line. And you specifically said everybody is looking at everything with the sort of conventional wisdom. But you said you yourself have three huge takeaways that nobody is talking about that will decide Marshall FIU. I am so pumped tie to hear what you have to say. Well, we are Marshall thundering her to free podcasts. Now shout out Huntington West Virginia as we've mentioned many times on the show. No, welcome. Back to everybody. Hello. It is week thirteen. We are loaded for bear here with high level college football matchups a lot of rivalries to get through. We've got on our Google doc on her share, Google, Google, doc, excuse me about as many games as I can ever. Remember? I went back to twenty seventeen to twenty sixteen to twenty fifteen just to get a reference point for how many games we previewed in those respective rivalry weeks. Never before have we previewed this many games in one podcast episode. So both Dan, and I have have done our homework. We're ready to go or excited to talk college football. Don't forget as you're watching all the action unfold you can give us a call at four zero eight verbal one that is four zero eight eight three seven two two five one on a Sunday morning. We cut all of your voice messages up. We add some together into a segment, we call the reverse. You can also tweet us out there on Twitter you. You can look up on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash solid. Verbal and of course, check out all of our cool stuff that we're trying to add to Instagram as well then. Yes. And on the dark web, it's S. I L K pen, bro. Quick to find. We're selling all sorts of shows bonus shows, right? That's right. Yeah. We're everywhere. Come find us. Come and find us. There's also a sub read it created by ballers forever. Ballers at random dot com slash are slash solid. Verbal, dan. So as I said, we're recording a little bit later in the evening, then you love it. I've got a goose October fest here. I'm sitting on throughout the course, the show not something a usually do. But is that Chicago is that in honor of Illinois, northwestern tie it? You know, it is now that you mentioned it. We'll just go with that. But yeah. Recording earlier a little bit later excited to get into it, shall we delve into a few of the news topics that we think might be noteworthy. Let stuff this weekend Turkey with information. We have. You remember when your throat used to be willing, you constantly? Yeah. Couldn't hit those high notes. I couldn't leisure to have this version of you back. I couldn't that was like real thing, by the way, I had pain in my voice. Yeah. No, that's your instrument. All right. We are going to try to go through everything quickly. But let's be honest. You're going to be traveling. And you're not gonna complain that you have a ninety minute show or an eighty minute show. And the only person saddled with any any sort of discomfort is tie who has to go through it. I'll have to listen back to it. Yeah. So let me let me start here. Please. Usually the problem. We have with this podcast, especially on a Sunday in November is we hit stop. And then someone gets fired. Right. So we're doing the show later on Tuesday. Which means that inadvertently we accommodated the latest round of college football playoff rankings. Guess so let me read the top ten to you. I'm running through four is unchanged. Alabama's still standing by the way. I'm still standing. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Let's do this. Alabama one Clemson two Notre Dame three Michigan four unchanged on change followed by Georgia five Oklahoma, six LSU, seven Washington state eight and that's where things start to change a little bit. They do. All right. Top eight remains unchanged. We've got UCF now. Moving up to above Ohio State, which remains at number ten. So you have to start a ranked team fine by me. Yeah. Yeah. UCF moves up into the top ten. It's I think very interesting scenario for them. They still need a lot of help. We talked about it on the last show. But if all hell breaks loose over the next two weeks of college football, not just rivalry week where we've seen it happen before. But also in conference championships. If you've got let's say what six seven teams with two losses. There's a compelling case to put UCF in that top four there. It's getting closer it for sure is I obviously have disqualified LSU from any conversation based on being shut out and scoring zero points in a major college football game. So UCF in my mind is even closer than what the committee would have you believe so everything to me looks pretty good. The teams that loss dropped not too far in the case of West Virginia. They go down four to thirteen. Syracuse falls a bit more precipitously to number twenty. They're down eight spots in Iowa State after a pretty lackluster offensive showing down to number twenty five all right on the no let's move on. I was state by the way is the in the middle of my favorite story of the week. My very secret favorite story. I don't know. If you want to quickly go over now or later, we'll do that at the end of our broke. Okay. Clay Hilton is very much on the hot seat at USC. And certainly by losing to their rival UCLA USC has decision to make now. Regarding his status in twenty nine hundred and beyond. So there were some reports that I saw before we hit record today that clay Helton would indeed be returning for the twenty one thousand nine hundred season. Obviously, we know that can change. I'm still waiting to try and verify the veracity of that report Daniel, right? But is that a combination veracity and for us because I hope it was Novorossysk is a real word is its veracity and not veracity if I've been saying, I probably have been saying wrong. I have the eastern PA thing going on. I'm sure they're getting correctly. But nonetheless, there is. Some investigation that needs you into the credibility of that report. And there are still outstanding questions about Klay helton's future with the Trojans. We will find out more about that. After the Notre Dame game for sure. But at this juncture, it seems like he's coming back. There are rumors. I saw James Franklin has been linked to that job by a number of published reports whether or not that's something he'd be interested in remains to be seen. But did you see him answer the question when he was asked today at the press conference? I saw him sort of delivery non answer answer to that question. It was it was as if I asked you tie. Are you interested in marrying a very similar woman on the west coast to Cape? And you said, you know, what I'm just thinking about this week right now, right? Was he did not say anything, and you know, what that's fine because at the very least he can probably leverage it into some more cash in a better deal at Penn State, and perhaps a bigger buyout for himself. But there was not an absolute no denial. You know, part of the game part of the game. So we'll see what happens keep your eyes peeled for that situation at USC. There's also a Colorado opening now which happened again, we hit stop on Sunday as it typically goes this time of year, Mike MacIntyre fired after a couple of seasons at Colorado. The two names that I have seen linked most prominently to that opening or Brian Hartson, Boise state and Matt wells from Utah state then. Yes. So I on the clay Helton thing. I I'm very curious to see what happens because USC if they have not back channeled their way into an obvious situation in which they can come up with what I think. It was Adam Renton Berg from ESPN reported about a twenty million dollar guarantee that is that is due to Helton in terms of buyout and contractual guarantees if they are able to generate that money if they have not back channeled their way into this person is definitely wink, wink, like it's going to be a smooth James Franklin to LA or whoever if they haven't done that this could be very bad for USC if they make a move because p Carol was lightning in a bottle. Everybody's going to say, oh, he was the fourth choice and he worked out that was lightning. And that was lucky. Yeah. I actually think right now the Colorado opening and they still have a game left. I believe against Utah this week. I think it's a great time for that job to be open. Just in terms of regionally. What's available? You mentioned what Matt wells. He has been talked about with the number of regional jobs in that area. He's done a fantastic job with the aggies this season Boise state's coach Bryan Hartson another name. That I think you talked to Oregon recently about their opening I think he would be interested in Colorado. Dana Holger Sohn was a name. We've talked about you mentioned. He's from believe splitting the difference. He's from Iowa. I want to say so not terribly far from Colorado. And I think it's a it's a pretty decent job with how wide open the pack twelve right now. And how how great boulder is as a as a town in lifestyle. The only other news tidbit here that I wanted to address is the Iowa State. Bullet point that you sent out earlier today on Twitter, and that we had our super secret off the record G chat chat about actually, I guess it was text message. But for the uninitiated among us in please explain the situation going on at Iowa State with their scheduling, I wanna point out. Our conversations are held on a private server. It's right. Correct. They will not be submitted for public domain. No. So I always say when they had their I believe it was South Dakota state game cancelled week one. I want to say because of storms were unable to reschedule that game. So they schedule a school named relatively new to college football school in carnet word to game on December. I provided Iwa state was not in the big twelve championship game. Obviously Iowa State will not be in the big twelve championship game. Turns out in carnet word is pretty good at football. And we'll be playing in the playoffs this coming weekend. So if they were to win this weekend they would have a game in the playoffs. That would obviously. Play instead of playing Iowa states. And if they were to lose in the first round of the FCS playoffs. They're totally cool with playing a boat. Against Iowa State and Iowa state's cool with it either way. And they said, oh, yeah. A lot of teams are willing to like if it doesn't work out within carnet word a lot of teams are willing to to jump on and play a December first game. They're playing the field is what you're telling me. They're playing the fields. And there's a lot of schools out there who apparently like, yeah. Okay. Weird. Let's do it summer. First schedule's wide open. Let's come on pick me up at eight. So very strange very strange that if you can imagine like being knocked out of the playoffs and just like, oh, this is just a yet. No, nothing on the lips. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Work with that. So that's what's that's what's happening in Iowa state's neck of the woods terrific, shall we? Dive into all that rivalry week has to offer year real quick Charlotte is open Brad Lambert was the name of the coach relieved of his duties, Texas State. Never whether's have parted ways that looks like it could be an okay job. Mark. Whipple is out at UMass. We mentioned less miles at Kansas Bill and Mary his hired Mike London. Former Virginia coach, and I did see that Chris ash is apparently a safe safe guy at Rutgers. So okay. Maybe I think it's a buyout thing. Perhaps. So that's that's the latest at the time of this recording. And we fully expect somebody to be fired when we hit stopped on that. No. It is week thirteen. It is wrong reworked in four the folks out there who may not know the main golden rule of thumb for week thirteen slash rivalry week or really any rivalry. What is it that? We need to do when this week rolls around the calendar. Thai. We gotta we gotta find those records. Yeah. We have to look at those records and best yet throw him out. How throw them out the window? Maybe my favorite tweet of all time is the one we sent out on the at solid verbal account and asked people what do you do this week and got a bunch of cool gifts coming back. People throwing stuff out the window jumping out the window. Everyone knows the deal. You throw the records out in a rivalry these games tend to be tight my suspicion is from knowing our tendencies here over the last couple of years that going to be taken a lot of points here in these games in front of us. But I don't wanna get too far out over the skis. I should also add this din. I'm not sure if you all walk. Yeah. Scheduled but not a lot of windows of opportunity. Like, I hope you got your trip to see cats. In in like week nine. Can you have a newer musical than cats just off the top of your head Hamilton does Hamilton cow. Okay there. It is just making sure thing I'm a cultured individual, Dan. That's true. I hope he got that in before we thirteen because this week is just loaded from top to bottom. We're going to go through all the time slots here, you will see that. There are good games pretty much all throughout Friday and Saturday, I should add that we are technically recording this during a window of opportunity because ball state and Miami of Ohio tied at halftime at twenty one and you is up one on western Michigan. Now the third quarter. So we're we're we're really hard pressed find that window. We got a suggestion from gentleman by the name of Matt Lewis, okay? Out on Twitter, maybe through Email. Sometimes I lose track. He said sixth win Saturday. It's not bad it applies to more teams than you'd think. I thought that was an intriguing option. Do we know how many teams are vying for their sixth win to get bowl eligible? So. It's into the it's about twenty. If my math was correct, it is an aggressively mediocre season, which is fine. But there is I don't know if you want me to go through all of them like Anna maniac style where I just like Miami. Ohio miss, but oh, MRs Nepal, eligible, coastal Carolina and Florida state Baylor Texas Tech Purdue Indiana to lane Wake Forest, Wyoming, Maryland, Arizona, Minnesota SMU, Tennessee, Vanderbilt FAU, Kansas state, Colorado USC TCU. That's all the teams. And now I am done. I'm I'm done singing those pretty good, right? That was actually very good, Dan. Thank you. All right. Six wind Saturday. I'm cool with if you are. Yeah. And Baylor is playing Texas Tech for that sixth. When Purdue is playing Indiana, both sixth win and Tennessee is playing Vanderbilt both for six Gresley mediocre. Yeah. Yeah. Let's start with the big in Saturday at high noon. It's on FOX to Gus games. Gotta be a game. They call it. The game. It is between Michigan and Ohio State. Michigan is a four point favorite. Dan. Ohio states won the last six games in this meeting thirteen fourteen Thai. Yeah. Okay. Who it's been a dominant showing from Ohio State in recent memory? I can't think of this game without thinking of do you? Remember that old? Yes. PIN commercial with the guy who had the Ohio State sweatshirt on and the girl with the Michigan sweatshirt, and they're just making out on the cat. Do you? Remember that of course. Great series. Yeah. I cannot think of this game without thinking of that commercial. It's it's a pretty great campaign. They did that for a number of schools those iron bowl stuff. Yeah. It's. It's a great one where are you leaning whereas your head with this because I have some thoughts. Okay. I I can't get over Ohio State giving up almost three hundred yards on the ground to Anthony McFarland last week from Maryland, by the way, another tweet if I could just very quickly. Sir as regime wrote in and he asked the question, I thought a very good one quote being booger McFarland, son. Is it too cliche to call Anthony McFarland the snot rocket? Oh my God. I I'll be honest with you. I did not know that it was booger McFarland. Didn't either? Is it actually booger McFarland? It is. I checked it out. Okay. You did. Okay. It's not rocket is wonderful. And I would not wish that nickname on. No. You know? So anyway, he he ran for nearly three hundred yards. Yes. And I just I keep coming back to the fact that Maryland. Did that to a high of state and Michigan's a better running team? So I think you're gonna see about fifty rushing attempts. Michigan's averaging about five yards per carry on the surface that does not seemingly bode well for Ohio State. I think that's right. I think that's a a way to look at this. There is a lot more to like about Michigan as a complete team right now than Ohio State. I have some questions a little bit after seeing them in the red zone last week against Indiana. I'm worried about the offenses that they've played on the road this year. I mean, depending on your opinion of Brandon wimbush as a capital g good quarterback. I don't know that they've played a could quarterback on the road this year, which is not their fault. But it's it's an element of this defense that we haven't seen to to see them really pressed by a top level quarterback. They the best quarterback. They've played his probably trace McSorley in that was at home and Dwayne Haskins. Certainly a cut above anybody that they've faced as thrower this year. My right, call me old fashioned tie. But I can't fully get past Ohio State being an underdog at home with a really good quarterback. And a really good set of skill players. That is that is something to me look. At this Michigan team who appeared to be at least at the time. We're recording this with they're going to be without chase win of each who looked to suffer some kind of perhaps upper body injury against Indiana their best pass rusher and a pretty huge part of their past defense. I think I'm gonna go how state here, and I know it's going to be a little damp little moist. Yup. In Columbus, which I think could affect things and there is something to me about a home team in a rivalry spot. With a very good quarterback a defense that suspect, and I think a huge chunk. I was reading Bill Connerly about Maryland's, Ohio State. There were five terrible plays at Ohio State gave up but after those five place, which is not the greatest way to try to make sense of something. Well, how it was mostly good on defense? Okay. I don't trust Ohio state's defense. They're going to give up big plays, but add home in a soggy environments. I think I do trust the buckeyes here. So I have them winning outright. Wow, outdo outright. I have them winning twenty seven twenty four, and I really hope Jody with is not listening. But I imagined she might be well, I do concur with you to the extent that Ohio state's gonna move. Ball in Michigan. It obviously hurts the chase. Chase win Avik excuse me. At least at this point is is not gonna play. But it's a really good offense. And it's a really good quarterback in Dwayne Haskins at home. I'm just not sure Ohio State can stop the Michigan rushing offense. So I've gotten there I've got Michigan winning and covering very close one twenty seven twenty one. But it should not surprise anyone. If Elias state does pull the quote unquote, upset it's a low spread this is obviously a rivalry game. Where you throw the records and rankings and everything out the window. I just think I like the direction of the Michigan program right now. And I'm gonna go twenty seven twenty one I'm going to stick to my guns. Do not take a shot every time on game day or in the pre-game. It's mentioned that urban Meyer is six zero as an underdog. No, do not take that shot. I am fascinated by what Ohio state's offensive line a much maligned unit looks like against you should get up front where they are just so strong. But man, I it's hard to win on the road. It's hard to win at the horseshoe. And even with a what's considered to be a down year, and I guess by their standard a down year for Ohio State. I still I have to roll with with that sort of talent at home. All right. We disagree game of the week Saturday three thirty CBS. They call it. The iron bowl Auburn at Alabama, Alabama, a twenty four and one half point favorite. You may recall last year. Auburn won the game. Thousand six fourteen you'll remember that was at the tail end of just an incredible five game run for Auburn during which they beat both Alabama and Georgia this year, though, this year's a different story in bama's been a double digit favourite every game this year, they were a fourteen point favorite against LSU a few weeks ago that was their closest matchup, according to Las Vegas. So this is a very good Alabama team. It's an Auburn squad. That's obviously found itself in some different circumstances. Not being able to run the ball as nice. Yeah. I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Good. Yeah. I'm having a hard time with this one. And okay. Well, it's not because I questioned who the better team is it's because that point spread is so enormous twenty four and a half and a rivalry game. To me feels like an awful lot. Yeah. So Auburn is I believe beaten Alabama twice in the past five years when Alabama has been a number one in the country team. I don't know how much that fully matters here. But I like what Auburn has at times on offense. It's been up and down year topsy turvy year for the Auburn offense of line. Alabama defense is giving up some bigger plays. But if they're not the best defense in the country, they're one b to Clemson. And so or Michigan for that matter. I'm going to take the points here. I think Alabama still wins comfortably. It has the makings of Alabama jumps out pretty quickly. Auburn calms down a little bit. You know, they score a touchdown near near halftime. And you know, gets Alabama's attention. I have it at thirty eight seventeen Alabama where maybe it's a back door cover for Auburn. But I think this Auburn defense gets enough stops. And it's funny to say that with also saying help him scoring near forty points in this rivalry game. I do like I think that's just a little bit too many points. And if it's thirty eight ten with five minutes left, maybe the twos and threes are in there to hold because the SEC championship game looming. So yeah, I'm going to take those points. Yeah. I've I've got the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other on one shoulder. I've got this line of thinking that Bama is about as good as anyone I can ever remember. And they've given us really no reason for doubt. I also. I don't believe in auburn's offense. I don't think they're good enough to pose any serious threat here, but on the other shoulder auburn's had that recent success and just twenty four points as an awful lot. It's hard to ignore that. I am going to use Auburn v Georgia earlier this year as my basis for this football game. You might remember Georgia won by seventeen twenty seven to ten de'andre swift the lodge, a Holyfield they rushed for a combined two hundred seventy nine yards on the ground for the dogs. And the Auburn offense was held mostly in check ward knows they did nothing on the ground in that game. And they've really had a hard time this year. So I think Auburn can play that game on the ground. I think they can mix in a better passing attack. They can mix in the threat of a running quarterback to some degree with the banged up to a we agree on Alabama's point total with thirty eight, but I'm gonna say thirty eight. Thirteen Bama wins and covers by one parallelly. Okay. Or by half. I guess I yes, I have a point just sneak in through. So again, we disagree. We disagree moving on Saturday. Eight pm ABC the battle for the jewel. Shilla chalet. Lee Notre Dame on the road at USC ten and a half point favorite Notre Dame. One forty nine fourteen last year in south bend against Sam darnold. The stakes here. I think are pretty clear we've talked about him on the show time and time again if Notre Dame wins it's an undefeated regular season. It's an undeniable trip to the college football playoff. For USC as we discussed at the top of the show. It's a little bit more complicated. You got bowl eligibility hanging in the balance need to win to get in. And then there's a whole Klay CT Helton layer to this which makes life surely complicated. We've also got a Trojan team that's reeling right now they've lost four of five. We talk about efficiency metric Salat on the show in terms of fishy that lost last week against UCLA was US's worst game of the year. So you take all of that in concert. It does point to a scenario which Notre Dame should win the game and should do so handily because they're better across the board. But it is a rivalry. It is on the road. Dan. What do you think? So it's still and this sort of goes into my my laws about picking home dogs. But USC is a pretty good defense. It's not a good defense. It's not a great defense. But it's pretty good. And they're playing at home. They're double digit dogs. Notre Dame is playing its second straight game away from home. I mean, technically, I think the New York game was the the Yankee Stadium game was a home game. But certainly actually not a home game and so- traveling to both coasts in two weeks is not a small amount of travel, and that's something I way into this. Also, it's one of those fun games. Where USC pulls this out with like a field goal at the end USC fans are going to be very conflicted about how the? Because that almost assuredly beating and undefeated team and knocking out of the playoffs knocking them out of the playoff and playing spoiler, depending on what happens elsewhere mind you because you know, who knows? Probably keeps clay helping for sure if he's not already fraud back. Definitely. So if you like Notre Dame, it's you know, it's obvious why because they are excellence in pretty much every phase when he in book is healthy. They move the ball pretty freely. Their defense has got nothing. But better over the course of the season, the probably one of the best five six seventy fences in the country. And this is a playoff plan for the Irish I think I'm going to go Notre Dame here. I think USC in a letdown spot after losing that close rivalry true rivalry, you know, this is sort of pseudo rivalry to me. I don't know how you feel about it to UCLA, you know, with the sort of trajectory of chip Kelly establishing itself as the looming cloud now over college football in L A, I think he just wants it season to be done with. And it's just been a rough ride, and I'm still a believer in the Trojans long-term. I don't know who that coach is going to be. But this Notre Dame team just it has its act together too much. So I'm willing Irish hereby made see what my final score was. I have it thirty five to sixteen Notre Dame. Okay. I come back to something that you said on Sunday a USC team at home in a rivalry playing for their coach with nothing to lose. They do. They really don't. I mean, they do then lose. Yeah. Other than like bowl eligibility, and maybe the coach that that's a dangerous spot for an opponent to come into. Yeah. So I'm going here. Interesting while you always do with Notre Dame. I don't know what that means. I'm going points here. I don't know who wins the game, Dan, I'm going points. Gimme those ten and a half points. I'm gobble those up. We disagree yet. Again, loved us agreeing. Okay. Let's travel back in time. If we could put our new booted who booted a Friday PM ESPN big game here in the big twelve Oklahoma. A one and a half point road favorite at West Virginia. Oklahoma has won the last six contests versus West Virginia. Most assuredly this is a shooting. And interestingly enough our beloved SNP plus ratings say that the West Virginia defense is twelve spots better than Oklahoma, which is interesting. Well, Oklahoma's seventy seventh West Virginia is sixty fifth now, obviously neither team is. We're not talking like the eighty five bears here, Dan. Okay. But I think it gives some important context for what we've been saying about the Oklahoma defense being ally ability for a good chunk of the season. Nobody trusts the West Virginia defense, but statistically, they are better than Oklahoma. So when you've got these two defenses clashing, I think it's a good recipe for an awful lot of points. I think that's right. West Virginia weirdly, and I did tweet this as well. I shouldn't give away all of my medium. Good stuff. But west Virginia's home schedule has been terrible in that they've gotten all of the worst teams on their schedule ad. Home. And so the fact that they're in this conversation for winning the big twelve, you know, having gone on the road to take on Texas and Oklahoma state and Texas Tech testaments to the job that Dana Harrison, and that staff and those players have done Oklahoma has come on incredibly strong on the ground color Murray. Rightfully gets a ton of attention. But they are now I believe per some of those advanced metrics that you mentioned the best rushing team in the country at is correct. Trae sermon and Kennedy Brooks have been electric for the Sooners, and as much of a liability as their defense has been and it has been, you know, people I think might be making a little bit too. Big a deal of of what Kansas was able to do in that fourth quarter of the game was out of hand. This Oklahoma defense isn't good. But I am looking at this team with some of the red zone struggles West Virginia has had and the ability for Oklahoma to pivot offensively pretty seamlessly. I haven't forty eight forty four Oklahoma wins this one in Morgantown in advances to take on Texas should the longhorns beat Kansas once again in the big twelve conference championship. Yeah. I I agree with you for the first time, I think west Virginia's game against Oklahoma state was rather instructive especially in the fourth quarter. Again, we had big bad corn dog Taylor. Cornelius running unabated down the middle of the field for about ten to fifteen yards. A clip can't think of a quarterback who might be even faster that plays in the same state. Elliot's Cuyler Murray is averaging nine point one yards per carry. Yeah. Pretty what do you think is going to happen in the big spot? Like this. His first two options are not. Open on a pass. Yeah. He's running. So I agree with you. I think it's a little closer. But I'm going forty five forty-one Oklahoma a lot of points here point spread. Yup. We agree. Also, if we could travel back in time one more. Today. But. Call it. The apple Cup Friday night. Eight thirty on FOX Washington at Washington state was a three point home favourite Washington's won the last five feels like it should be a pick em to me. The only reason I think was offered is because they're at home. I thought a lot about what you said on Sunday. Yes. And yes, I say a lot of things the apple Cup. Here is intriguing because it features a very specific matchup. Mom, the Oiseaux passing offense against the Washington passing defense in terms of officiency, though, actually was UIs passing defense is better. But yeah, I don't think that I think is a bit overlooked here. We think of the offense with wazoo. But going back to like last year. Even if you go back a couple of years they've been steadily improving on defense. I am very interested though to see that matchup between. Zoo's passing attack and Washington's pass defense. I think the game is decided by Washington's running game. And I think they have their way I think they control the clock against a very questionable was run defense. I think Washington wins this one on the road. Keep the street going six in a row, I think they win. But I think it's close I'm gonna say thirty twenty seven Chris Peterson has not lost to Mike Leach. No he and his staff of put together very good game plans. Last year was a very comfortable win believe they want by twenty plus against was Washington's defense. I still think is excellent. Despite some of the numbers saying Washington state's is a little bit ahead. Washington might have an already defense as in right? When Washington's defense sits down it appears that the offense is off the field already hope already. Oh, okay. So maybe a little bit more worn out because of this Washington offense and their struggles on the road. And when I looked this up at appears Washington's on the road. Washington states. And there's just I know there's been some injuries on offense with Washington miles Gaskin missed some time. Washington state is full on good Washington is sometimes pretty good. But Washington state at home, and this is there are for sure definite stakes in this game. Because as good of a season as Washington state has had they're in the top ten for good. They learned it all all the way. Sure lose this one. They're not even in the conference championship game. Washington. Could still win the Pac twelve they be Washington state. They beat Utah, boom. They're going to Rose Bowl pretty successful year all things considered I'm willing with wazoo. And I'm going with them because of the way that they've finished games has been crazy. Impressive to me. Their defense has gotten better throughout games. I thought Tracy Claes has done a pretty remarkable job replacing Alex Grinch with that was defense and Gardner. Minhsiu is excellent. And this is the first time, I really believe Washington state has had a quarterback to compete against Washington on a. Top level. They've had their good air raid quarterbacks. I think Gardner Minhsiu is excellent. And he he sort of inspires excellence around him. So I'm going with zoo here to win by touchdown and cover. I have twenty six to nineteen cougs in this one's actually going to be pretty wet possibly snowy by the end of it. If it if it is like a three and a half hour affair a lot of passing. So I still like Washington state. I don't trust Washington and the elements to move the ball when they haven't been able to in cleaner weather, go in nineteen points. L? I it tickles your accounts. We disagree yet again agree. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to some other higher profile games that we need to discuss here. Saturday, high noon SEC network, they call it clean, old fashioned hate. Yes. Georgia Tech at Georgia. Georgia is a seventeen point home favourite. They won by thirty one points a year ago. Oh, also lashed year of note. Tech was held to just one hundred eighty eight yards on the ground. No touchdowns on the ground. Either. I I am very confident that this will not be another thirty one point defeat for Georgia Tech the way it was year ago. Why? I don't think Georgia has the run defense. It did a year ago. I think they're balanced enough offensively that the win this game. I think they can run with swift and Holyfield, but I just don't feel like it's a blowout. I think tech can move the ball in them. And keep it interesting. This is actually one of those games that I'm going to be watching like side is style. In my peripheral vision. I don't think Tex good enough to win. But if this game is closely, it would not at all surprised, I think thirty one Twenty-one Georgia wins. Okay. So you're taking those points. I'm taking those Plum goblin those points up the last time Georgia beat tech in Athens was six years ago. It was a different world tie was a different world. So Georgia Tech is one the last two matchups in Athens, which is kind of crazy to think about two thousand fourteen they were legitimately very good. What is the the song from wizard of Oz? The ten man if I only had a brain. Yeah. Right. If Georgia Tech only had a defense, they only had a defense. So tech has won six seven. I believe after starting the season one in three they probably should've lost Virginia last week. I if Georgia Tech had an average defense if their defense was sixty seventy I fifty ninth something like that where they were able to get some timely stops with an offense. It's able to March down the field control the clock. Limit drives. I think I would like the ramblin wreck to at least cover I do not because it had the worst thing on this field is text e fence. I think it's going to be close. I think maybe they get a turnover Georgia does I have this one thirty. What did I put this down here? Thirty four to thirteen so barely covering. I think they went by three touchdowns. And finally get that win at home between the hedges this. I love this disagreement Saturday, high new navy see the sunshine showdown, Florida, a three no five point. Yeah. Road favourite at Florida state, Florida states, actually won the last five I'll be honest with you here. This line is weight lower than I expected. But as you know, Florida state big win last week knocked off Boston College twenty one twenty two twenty one excuse me in rather dramatic fashion that long seventy four yard touchdown pass. Florida huge win last week to Florida slaughtering win over the vandals. Yeah. Florida state playing for bull eligibility there at home here, Dan. So they've got a lot to play for what say you about the sunshine showdown. I was really looking for reasons to take Florida state here at home like some of the players on their defense. But I just this offense is rough. I think I think Florida is too much up front. Florida's. Yeah. I think Florida's too much up front defensively they've made some plays. They've been inconsistent offensively. But I don't think Florida state is going to be able to make them pay for four quarters. I have this one Gators thirty to twenty one I have them covering and ending Florida state's bowl streak. I've got Florida twenty eight seventeen. Okay. We moving on Saturday three thirty ABC, Maryland at Penn State Penn State, a fourteen point favorite here. The knits are thirty eight two and one. All time against Maryland. Also of note here, it's trace McSorley final home game. I don't think there's any way. Penn State loses his game. But that said as we've mentioned on the show, they have looked rather shaky the last couple of weeks have they not. Yeah. I listen. I went back and watched a lease some of that Rutgers game. And I am sorry. I did. Yeah. No. That's a that's a time sink. Right there. It was it really was Maryland has some fight to it. And, you know, losing a couple straight real close is not the most encouraging thing. But a Penn State team who has looked pretty awkward on offense. The back half of this season. You know, some bright spots for sure defensively some playmakers have emerged there's going to be this is the term right here, frozen rain. Okay. Freezing rain, freezing rain, frozen rain, whatever on on Saturday morning. The games three thirty three thirty kickoff here. So maybe conditions not ideal for a fast track. I have Maryland here. I think they're going to be able to get loose a little bit on the ground against this. Penn State team that has in the open fields don't need to remind you. I don't need to remind anybody. They've struggled tackling the open field and this season. And. I was about to sitcom snot rocket. I really. So sorry for thinking that I think Anthony McFarland. Anthony, dude Farland will get loose a couple of times. I have Penn State's sneaking by I'm gonna take the points. I have at thirty one twenty eight Penn State at home on senior day tie. You know, we are even though we've disagreed by my count five times so far in our first seven games here. We're still fairly like minded in terms of scoring. I am also taking the points for the exact same reason. I think Maryland can run on Penn State. By thirty four twenty seven Penn State wins at home. It feels good to meet in the middle tie. After losing our minds, just a little Saturday seven pm on ESPN. We've got the palmetto bowl. Yes. South Carolina at Clemson, Clemson, twenty six and a half points, the home favourite they've won the last four games. If you listen to the show, I did with Larry Williams from tiger illustrated. He predicted that this one was quote gonna get ugly far far be it for me Daniel to question the expert here. Okay. So I think Clemson wins going away forty nine to fourteen I well, I just think. Yeah. I think Clemson moves the ball on the ground rather easily and that dictates the pace of play here. It gets Clemson on the front foot and kind of has South Carolina playing defense. Of the game. Would you say there is any love loss between lease? By the way, one of my favorite things is an I don't know what it is. But there are random international events where we will get a tweet at like four forty two AM eastern. And it'll be somebody saying, hey, I'm watching the cricket World Series. And somebody broadcast in the game say when Pakistan and India get together, you gotta throw the out. And I love that people. Think of us for those situations. I have Clemson covering here. I have them covering comfortably hunter Renfro. Maybe out he hurt, you know, he had sort of landed hard last week may have heard his head. So hope he is able to recover quickly. Even though South Carolina has basically since the start of the season played nothing, but three point games. I think this is probably the week that Clemson is able to fully and consistently take advantage of South Carolina's run defense. I think ETF gets going pretty pretty thoroughly against the Gamecocks. So I have Clemson here winning by probably thirty two. If my math serves may forty seven to fifteen feels about the range, so not terribly dissimilar from you forty nine fourteen for me again, you're on a roll here. Here we go Saturday seven thirty SEC network L S U at am. Am actually a two point home favourite, even though LSU was one the last seven matchups here. Can you? Explain to me, why am is favored. Yeah. Kyle fields a really tough place to play. Can you? Explain another reason why am is favourite here. I'm having difficulty finding reasons what at any point in this game and LSU offensive player. Maybe targeted taxation ham is very bad about tackling and wrapping up legally. No, I think what it is. Is tech say has probably the best offense of skill player in this game and Trayvon Williams who doesn't need much room to go a far distance with the ball and with that home field advantage. Maybe this is the year a well coached tech Sanam team breaks through and I believe for the first time beats LSU in this end of year thanksgiving rivalry game. But all that said, I also see Callan mon- throwing into this LSU secondary. And I think there are points to be had by the LSU secondary. So I'm going to take the Tigers here to keep the street going. I still don't really like this LSU offense. But that is a mismatch that I can't fully wrap. My head around taxation has some pretty glaring deficiencies on their own defense that LSU should be able to move the ball some. So I'm going to take LSU to pull this one out. Maybe at the end this'll be what this is a seven thirty kick. So into the nights. Yeah. But I have I have the by you Bengals here. Tie the by UB. Yeah. You know, I'm kind of in the same boat. Is you? I I trust Joe borough Joe dirt more in this matchup than I do kill in Mont. I like that LLC offense. I think it's a good matchup. I do think it's an incredibly close game. My prediction here. I'm going to go off the rails a bit and say that am leads twenty five to twenty late. LSU scores. A defensive touchdown to lead twenty six twenty five they go for two and do not convert they end up winning and covering by score of twenty six twenty five. I like that. It's a very specific prediction. But that's what that's what my. That's what my heart's tell me, Dan. That's what I'm gonna go with. I like it. Go for it. Go back in time. If we could once more. Wow, I'm capsule here. I this is I keep fading in and out mardi MC fly style. And I feel good about it booted Ubuntu booted Friday four fifteen ESPN, they call it the war on I four great name for rivalry UCLA that you you act like you drop into these towns for the first time as a reporter. Let's write the locals call it the war on I four the locals call it. The apple Cup the call this one the Pimento bowl. It's right. Yeah. Let's you. I've got a drink in me, Dan. I'm feeling it. Go for that ghost war on I four. UCF at south Florida UCF is a fourteen point favorite. They won last year in a great game. I don't know if you remember it but forty nine forty two fun to watch. I think UCF is looking at their playoff ranking. They're sitting there at nine they need all hell to break loose. I do not believe that they are out of this. I think there is a realistic chance. But with a lot of help they could find a way to work their way up there into the top four. I don't think it's likely, but I think they're looking at it. They moved in front of Ohio State. I think UCF is looking at this. And they're saying we need to win and we need to put up some style points. Somebody said that they hate when we do this tie on Twitter. But listen this way. UCF can have every team in front of them loose. I think right. Every team in front of UCF could potentially one hundred percent, but they're still not getting I agree. It's a long shot. But I don't know what it would take it would need to take some sort of cartel situation where Michigan has agreed to play Clemson pay Clemson players. Alabama has agreed to pay Oklahoma players, right? Everybody is ruled ineligible week their team. It would just beat listen. It would be this. And it would be it would be a new wrinkle in this college football playoff ethic that we are sure writing here in real time to have a bunch of teams like six or seven teams with two losses and a team that is supposedly eligible for the playoffs sitting there undefeated having a really good season the longest winning streak in the nation. And them still not getting a chance because they're not a power five team. I'm not even sure I'm into favor. I'm just saying it's an interesting storyline. Who note that the committee obviously thought highly enough of UCF to move them above Ohio State, which I think is a statement in and of itself all that being said it's get away from what could happen and just say UCF at south Florida. I think UCF feels like they have something to play for. And I think they roll here. They win and they cover fourteen. Yeah. I agree with you. I liked the nights here it we were kids. The last time south Florida one. We were we were youths tie. We were started. I'd you to you. It's been about a month since USF on the jumped up to elite against temple and blue that south Florida's everything has dissipated these past few weeks and UCF. Yes, I think you're right. The stakes are incredibly high for them. They've already won their division, but they really need to make statements here at the end of the season. If there happens to be chaos to at least get. Get its least vaults into that conversation and tie. What would you say? Rob Mullins first word out of his mouth. What singular word comes out of his mouth the moment. Everybody loses. Everybody has a loss. But UCF and somebody asks him why UCF is not in the playoff that first word is listen, Liz. UCF had a great year. UCF is a great team. Listen this. That's what that's what's going to happen. So we agree. All right. I want to go through a bunch of other ivories that I know people care about we've been doing this show for a decade. Holy hell a decade. A decade of our young lives has been spent doing this show and without fail. There's always a game. We forget on rivalry week. And we're not forgetting anything this. No, no, we're doing our best to try and capture as much of the flavor of this week as humanly possible because we always have people who ride it in and say you forgot about the old oaken bucket. You forgot about the territorial or the governor's Cup heroes. Trope we're going to do our best to go. Rapid fire grew some of these rivalries that are no people care about. So I want you to get your your your speed reading your. Speed predicting shoes on here. Okay. And I want to go through these as quickly as we can. Okay. You ready? I'm ready Saturday, high noon ESPN to the old oaken bucket. Perdue at Indiana, Perdue four and a half points the favourite they won by seven last year. But now they're on the road. Dan, who you got in the end look good last week. Good rivalry, not good rivalry. But really fun match between Jeff Brahms brain. And Tom, Allen's brain, I'm going Indiana at home Purdue has not been the same team on the road this year. Gimme the hoosiers. I think it could be Jeff Brahms final game for oil or makers, if you believe the reporting of one Dan dockage gimme Purdue winning cover Saturday twelve twenty on your version of the ACC network wherever you may be checking in C state at North Carolina, NC state, a six point road favorite. They've won the last two games. Also as an important side note North Carolina has been dreadful this season. I questioned the long-term viability of one Larry fedora in North Carolina. But I'm gonna go NC state here to winning cover. Yeah. He I think he will be safe this year. According to some early reports, maybe that has to do with his buyout. Tar heels have actually been pretty good on the ground. They've improved on offense. They just haven't been able to get over the hump and actually get a win. I think I'm gonna go NC state here. I think there's just a little bit too much in the way of offense. I do like Calvin Harmon a whole bunch. I think there's just defensively to too high a hill to climb for UNC Saturday three thirty ESPN two. They play it for Paul Bunyan's axe Minnesota at Wisconsin, Wisconsin at ten point favorite, Wisconsin. Dan. One of the last fourteen meetings. Last fourteen meetings, many meetings, Minnesota's plucky. Are they they're not the best team in college football? But they are plucky. I don't I want to take them outright. I so wanna take him outright to tie being Alanna with it. Hell with it. I'm going to be a man, I'm gonna go Minnesota outright here over Wisconsin. Tough one though on the road in Madison, absolutely tough one. But since Minnesota got rid of their defensive coordinator a few weeks ago. It was early November after they gave up a ton of points. Dylan OI defense got a little bit better. And I don't know if I fully trust was Jack Cohn, Jack Cohn Kinko cone of uncertainty the cone of uncertainty. The cone zone is not anywhere. I'm currently setting up an address he did improve last week in that big shootout win over Purdue. But Minnesota, I don't know there's something creep into me about Minnesota. And a good way. I think they're creeping maybe in the right direction. I think they cover this game. I think Wisconsin pulls it out. But I think they give them a good fight. So. Give me the gophers Saturday three thirty f s one the territorial Cup. Arizona state at Arizona. Sun. Devils are a one and a half point road favorite. They won forty to thirty last season. Arizona's been sneaky decent at home at home. Yeah. And down the stretch here. So they've been better than they were earlier in the year. I'm still gonna go ASU because I think they have more firepower and I trust them more on offense than I do Arezzo right now. But I think this is going to be a fun. I saw Oregon's running backs run through Arezzo state that first half. And they're not as good as Arizona's JJ Taylor. I'm actually going to go with the cats here. And it's hard to say, I don't think you're wrong. But it's hard to say Arizona has quietly been looking pretty good when they gave up seventy last week to us zoo. I'm with your general spirit and sentiment though. I'm just going to go air zone at home to take this territory. Oriel cup. I like the speed that they have on offense. Still and Khalil Tate is getting healthier and healthier. I'm trying to put a positive spin on things. I'm with hurting for everybody. We're not ready watch this game for what this is. Well, this is gonna be a tough slog that stuff on Saturday at three thirty. But if you happen to flip you might seem to kill Harrier JJ Taylor. And they're two of the more fun players in the country. Just have it as like a last channel option. Yeah. On your remote Saturday. There's a halftime somewhere. Yeah. Saturday four pm S E C network, Tennessee at Vanderbilt vandy is actually a three and a half point home favourite and on a two game winning streak, Dan. Yeah, I'm gonna go Tennessee here. I impressed with the way that Jeremy Pruitt has kept this team together. Everyone knew it was going to be a bit of a rebuilding year. They beat Auburn which was a strange win. Caught. A lot of folks by surprise. I feel like they've been gradually improving throughout the course of the season. And this is a very winnable game for them. So I'm gonna go tennis jocks. Yeah. I thought this was going to be your grandstanding of like, listen Vanderbilt's been competitive against some decent SEC team, which they have which they have they were in it. They were a head of Florida. They hung with Kentucky. You know, they hung with Mizzou who has been very good this year. They add outta a good ole miss offense last week. Sure. They were like I thought you were doing like a Notre Dame campaign of like glisten. Liz, Andrew built is. We gotta stuff. Yeah. We do. Vanderbilt is totally. Okay. I actually believe that actually believe Vanderbilt's totally. Okay. They need to do better at finishing games. But outside of that Georgia game. They've actually they've been pretty okay? This back half of the season, which is good enough to be Tennessee team with some some pretty clear weaknesses right now. So I'm actually going to go. With its it's at home. It's a Nashville I'm going to go with band, even though there is obviously going to be a pretty big Vall presence in the stadium. Saturday seven pm ESPN two that governor's Cup gonna Kentucky at Louisville Kentucky is a seventeen point road favorite. These teams. Daniel hen played thirty times. Fifteen wins for Kentucky fifteen wins for Louisville. The cardinals won big last season. I think it's Kentucky's turn to exact some revenge now, listen. I did it again. I'm sorry. You're okay. I'm in your head. Kentucky being a seventeen point favorite over. Anyone is really an indictment for that anyone to back that. Well, it also means Kentucky has to score seventeen high. No, they having a hard time with this. Now, I'm actually going to go Louisville. Here has I'm not I think he's gonna I know Kentucky's gonna win but Kentucky as a seventeen point road. Favorite to me is a little bit too. Big of a circle square. Okay. Time getting worked up here. I am getting worked up I'm getting hot and bothered. First of all, I remember we talked about this on the last show that we really do hope somebody has been making millions of dollars betting against livable this season in their boat. You know, the portrayal breeze on her how inept the cardinals have been do. You know, what Louisville's record is against the spread and twenty eighteen or in two thousand eighteen. Yeah. What what's the record against the spread eleven games? Gosh, I couldn't even tell you. Let's say. Two and nine they are one in ten two season against the spread and their do we tie you poor sweet sweet little wrong. Oh. Louisville is so bad. And I am we a couple years ago few years ago, we said Alabama minus anything opponent x minus anything against the two thousand eighteen Louisville. Cardinals. Gimme Kentucky and just lock them up for a play the sound. All right. You couldn't you couldn't give enough points. I hate this Kentucky offense with a burning burning passion. And if you said, oh, it's actually Kentucky minus twenty eight and a half. I'd be like that is so many points. But I have to take I have to give them. All right. Right. Yeah. That's it. Holy war. I'm gonna go Louisville here. Sweet sweet prints moving on Saturday late night. Ten pm NFS one. Hollywood BYU at Utah, Utah a thirteen and one half point favorite. They've won the last seven here. I don't know if this is a look ahead spot for Utah. I find that hard to doesn't matter. Really? I find that very hard to believe this game is always close mall. He's close Utah is demonstrably better this season. But still it's always close, Dan. I am obligated by just common logic common. Really to take the points. Here. This games, always close. Yeah. It's been pretty close. I don't know. The last time let's see last time. It was decided by double digits appears to be twenty eleven Utah. One fifty four to ten so outside of that. It has been relatively close two thousand eight it was a twenty four point game. But yes, it has been single digits. Many many more years than not I am also going to take those points. I don't have a very good explanation. I think Utah is happy to they're going to play hard by the still a backup quarterback. It's still a backup running back. And it doesn't matter. What happens there in the Pac twelve championship game in Santa Clara? So now, it'd take those points, but Utah wins moving on. Let's go to Saturday at ten fifteen. Liz Halama game, Utah state at Boise state, Boise is a three point home favourite. They've won the last two. I would also add circling back to the top of the show to head football coaches, both of whom are rumored. To be in the running for that. Colorado job. True. Who do you up? Good coaches. I think I'm going to take Utah state here. And I know they were they probably should have lost to Colorado state on the road last week the second straight road game, Boise state just feels a little bit more cohesive. But to me the best thing in this game is the Aggie offense. And I don't know if you wanna look up the weather while I'm talking about how good this Matt wells, and David Joost and Jordan love combination has been and how wrong I was because we had some Utah state fans sort of disappointed that I didn't have anything really nice to say, but Utah state when we were previewing the mountain west, but I was super wrong about Utah state. They've been really good this year. And so I am going to roll with Matt wells in this Utah state team to pull out a shootout on the road against the Broncos on the turf they win this game by touchdown. According to the weather that I see here, and I have not had a chance to get snippy and Boise hadn't that had chance to go through the weather maps that I would like I would typically do right? Analyze the jet stream and whatnot. But I'm seeing about thirty degrees at kickoff. So it's about nine fifteen local kick nine v bound time. Yeah. That's me. That's a chilly game going to be bring the Budel hounds for that one. Then what does that to had knit hat? Oh, I thought it might have been like a Likud or that you could sneak in your socks. Yeah. Poodle hammering that do keep yourself. Yeah. Friday, we could travel back in time again Buddha. Do bitter do three games here as we travel back in time hop in the Delury, by the way, I'm gonna go Boise. Gimme Boise at. Oh. Okay. Do you have a locked so far is anything jumped out to lock wiser you? Are you saving that is one? But I don't want to give it away yet. All right. We'll get there. Friday, twelve pm on FOX fear sitting around the day after thanksgiving black Friday, maybe cashing in some deals online. Why not switch on the old heroes trophy game between Nebraska and Iowa Iowa's at home? They are a ten point favorite. They've won. Each of the last three years each year, it's actually gotten a little bit more lopsided, Iowa has seemingly pulled away from Nebraska. Obviously, there's been a coaching change has been a bit of a rebirth in Lincoln and abreast is playing a lot better the last couple of weeks here. I think Nebraska keeps the momentum. I think they keep this one close. It would not surprise me if they won this one outright. So I'm gonna go Cornhuskers, plus the ten. Wow. Do you think they actually win? No. I think I will win this game. And listen, you don't just shut out Illinois. God, I'm so sorry. I did that they've they have lost three or four. This Iowa's second half of the season has been disappointing. But I still don't love this Nebraska defense on the road. So I'm going with with Isla here. I think they cover this me on Friday three thirty ABC the Commonwealth Cup. Of course. Commonwealth of Virginia. We've got the who's on the road at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg Virginia is a three and a half point road favorite. Virginia Tech has won the last four keen matchups in this rivalry den. And important side note, though, is that tech is currently awful. They're they are really struggling. Yeah. And this is one of those games. I look at it. And I say, well, this could be my luck. I'm really confident in Virginia winning this one. Yeah. I just I kept it pretty simple, and hey can Virginia run it somewhat. And like, oh, yeah. I think they're going to beat Virginia Tech because that is that's enough and actually our pal. Adam Amine is calling this game. I did not tell him that we were recording early which means it is my fault. But from what I can tell on yelp Kabo fish Taco Bell reviewed and for being in Virginia. I don't know what the Latino population is in this part of Virginia and Blacksburg, but they look pretty good Gillies Gylys, whatever cuisine and vegetarian vegan options the seller. Some Greek looks like they've got some curly fries. And finally, our daily bread bakery and bistro. Looking some some dope. Bear claws in this tie. Really Good Friday four pm f s one the civil war. Oregon. Okay. Don't hurt that instrument dog. We now I'm stressing Oregon at Oregon state organs as sixteen and a half point road favorite incor- Vallis. They've won nine of the last ten meetings, including by fifty nine frigging points last year against Oregon state. I'm really curious to get your precious at this game. Because I feel like not I am. No, I seriously. Am okay. It feels to me like Oregon state's improved. Certainly from where they were a year ago. But they're definitely they're playing. It seems like they're building towards something there in games. Like, they're caring about games. Even if they're getting blown out J, he'll it's all just like go into a much better place than it was a year ago. So with that being said being a rivalry there at home, you could probably mount a case for them to cover the spread. You could I could. Look up what their record is against the spread. I guess. Oregon state's defense is atrocious. And let's just circle back. Oregon state's defense is particularly atrocious. I'm gonna go with Oregon here. You know, how much I hate going against Oregon on the road. They've been really bad at times on the road. Just putting together drives against inferior talent at times looking at you Zona, you you took advantage of an Oregon team that was not nice. I like Oregon here to move the ball on the ground to win. It's going to be a little bit soggy and wet Oregon state I have in front of me against Pac twelve teams appear to be one two and six against the spread. So I'm going to go at the ducks. I think they get it going. This is what it takes for Oregon to cover a spread on the road against the Pac twelve team. And I look for some changes in the offseason to what Oregon's really doing staff wise and schematically and finally on thanksgiving Thursday seven thirty ESPN the egg bowl great known for a game. Mississippi State on the road at old miss there. A ten and a half point favorite old missed one last year thirty one to twenty eight this is an interesting matchup. If nothing else, it's a fun. Clash of a really high powered offense for ole miss and a really legitimately. Good defense for Mississippi. The state great defensive and. Yeah, I am going to err on the side of the defense here. And I think Mississippi State shuts them down I think they control the game on the ground. I think a big game for Nick FitzGerald. I hate hate laying ten points on the road and game like this. But I feel very strongly about Mississippi stage chances. So I think they win this game something to the tune of thirty eight to twenty friend. I think Mississippi State disembowel Zoll mess. I yeah, they're going to shut down this wholeness offense. They're gonna run straight through over under around the rebel defense. So yeah, give state my lock of the week. If I could please. I like Oklahoma on the road over West Virginia. Wow. Okay. You feel that confidently a low point spread. I think a lot of points. I trust Cuyler Murray on the ground. I trust that offense as a whole going up against West Virginia. A few other games of consequence. Yes, Houston is at Memphis, and that will decide that side of the American the American athletic conference from to be fully completed Oliver looks like he will be back see wearing the jacket though. We can only hope he stays warm. Okay. Houston with their backup quarterback with the air king. You know, pretty bummer that he's out for the year with a knee injury. Syracuse going to Boston College that would have been ranked matchup last week is not this week after what Syracuse did or did not do at Yankee Stadium. I think I like BC at home to run on Syracuse a little bit especially with Eric Dungy's health up in the air. Any thoughts about that game at all? I like Boston College in that game. We agree. Troy upstate also deciding a division this one in the sun belt's, Troy is at a pretty great year. All things considered a new look offense app. State almost beat Penn State and continues to look like the app state that everybody, but you enjoys watching and believes in. That's right. That one's in Boone Stanford's willing to UCLA Sanford supposed to have played Cal last week with that was postponed UCLA and a potential letdown spot after beating USC at home Josh Kelley's, really fun running back to watch pit Miami. If you remember the the game that Kenny pick it introduced himself to the world. Yes. Right SDR pinpoint picket if for be accurate pinpoint picket, Oklahoma state TCU. Wow. Every other year. This would have probably been in our headliner damn, but yeah, they are an afterthought is. But listen Tamim his sorry. Jalen regular and corn dog and the ties at receiver and Shuba harbor. There's a lot to enjoy individually about this game. I went through and sang all of the five and six hoping for bowl eligibility teams. So I'm not going to do that again. But because I mentioned a couple of those matchups being for conference championship playing situations. So in the American. UCF has clinched. They will be playing Houston or Memphis. Whoever wins that game. Right. That'll be next week conference. USA UAB has clinched. They'll be playing Florida international FAU or middle, Tennessee. And then in the MAC, and I you who's playing right now. And I could update you what they've already clinched their side of the MAC Bill playing Ohio or buffalo. So that should be an entertaining game. Because you either getting Anthony Johnson or Nathan Rourke against a good defense in the mountain west Fresno state is clenched they're getting either Utah state or Boise state Utah's getting the apple Cup winner. And then in the sun belt's, it's a little bit more complicated. It's either Troy or app state, and they're playing either Arkansas state, Louisiana. They don't like being called, Louisiana Lafayette. But listen, this is timid and other is so there a long shot of Louisiana Monroe, but it involves Texas State winning a game. So okay. I don't know how seriously we take it. Everything else is either obvious in that north Western's flying the winner of Ohio State Michigan Utah's playing. We said that the apple Cup win. Clemson and pit are going to be squaring off that has been decided. And the big twelve will be Texas if they beat Kansas against either Oklahoma or west. Virginia depending on who wins that game. That's it. That is it. Wow. Covered. A bunch of games here on the podcast a big final. I guess regular season week for the most part, and we have no pet leak lightning round. Because Colgate has a by this week. It's right. And they will play the winner of I think J M U in Delaware. Listen this. To we're so bad. We're going to dive deep into the playoffs this year. I would love to I think we're going to have to here is the way this works, boys and girls, I on if you are in transit on the way to grandmother's house for thanksgiving. Happy thanksgiving. To one in all please save travels drought. They're on the road or in the skies on the trains the bus the planes wherever please be safe. Enjoy your holiday. Enjoy your holiday weekend. There's a ton of great football to watch. Here. We will be around. We'll be on Instagram. We'll be on Twitter will be on Facebook talking through all of these games as they transpire got a couple days worth of them. Now, please do get your picks in if you haven't already go to solvable dot com slash pick them and enter your picks. We've picked out ten games all of them on Saturday. So that you have ample time to get him in fill out your picks against the spread solvable dot com slash pick them. There will be a pick em entry next week. And then we are in the early stages of putting together our bowl full might be a little bit different this year. But there will be a bowl pool. It's always teaming. With for ballers and people who don't even listen to the show just wanna play the game because they're into it. Which is cool. Please do stay tuned for all of that information. It will be forthcoming as details are available on the bowl pool. But nonetheless, we've got two really big weeks of college football left here that will decide an awful lot. Sixth win Saturday is going to be meaningful for a lot of teams certainly not just the ones at the very top. But a lot of teams I will go going with. I think six win. Saturday's pretty good. We got somebody said somebody had like slap your sibling Saturday. I thought that was very violent though, you're an only child tie. You don't appreciate. That's right, right. Sixth wind Saturday. It's meaningful. It's full does define the season. And a very weird way. Does right. Yeah. It ultimately by the way, Miami of Ohio now up twenty one on ball state's doing doing what Notre Dame couldn't. They couldn't do it. No distancing themselves from. What is ball state cardinals? Yeah. The cardinals of ball state. I believe Dave lettermans alma mater. Can I ask you one question before we sign off lease do? What's your thanksgiving plan? Thanksgiving plan. We doubling up this year. Right. We double barrier. Yeah. We go up to mom h is in the morning and signature sides signature dish. Mom asia. What do you have your eyes on mama, h always over cooks, always what what is what is your brain honing in on? What are your eyes honing in on? There's not. Potato guy who Turkey guy, you'll pumpkin pie sweet potato pie. I'm a white dolphin. White meat Turkey guy gravy, a little bit of gravy a little bit not too much watching your figure. That's right boys figure I usually load up with some of the rice put some rice on that. What kind of rice usually white rice some gravy on it? Okay. Okay. I do like that. Then I got you got to save room. If you're doing double you gotta save yourself early got to save room. But I'll throw some corn on their some stuffing. I think stuffing, I guess would would be the signature dish from h stuffing is die for. And then as I've said on the show before I love the cranberry sauce that comes out of the can the unhandy shaped sauce unholy cylindrical shaped filled with sugar cranberry sauce is my absolute favorites. Everybody knows you love your wiggle. I do oh. You know what I forgot that? I forgot the signature dish. Oh, my mom listens to these shows. Yeah. Don't disappoint mom age. I have this in common with Mel kiper junior. I love pumpkin pie. I don't know. If you've heard the stories about Mel kiper junior. Does he heats at year round? He just one by per day. Which can't be healthy. But ho I love mama ages pumpkin pie more than I love anything. So this is a scratch pumpkin pie. She's making the best. The absolute best. I'd put it up against anyone's. It's a name Allah mode whipped cream or alma. Don't matter dog Ollie Ollie that pumpkin pie. Anyway, anyhow are there any other pie options or dessert options? There are other ones. But honestly, I'm so focused in on the pumpkin pie. Yeah. You have to be that. That's really the only thing. There's Jap is like a cheesecake option, I think as well. But no, I'm going pumpkin pie pumpkin pie is the signature dish. So then who's cooking at your second one at the second one got a little bit of a different range, but this year, so not sure exactly who's cooking. What? Okay. But yeah, we will be down on. We'll be down at a different locale for at a minimum dessert later on the day. You really fueling. Everybody's theory that you're CIA. I know your big use. I love it. I hope you keep it up or an essay whatever this year, we are not going to go to California or doing a little different. So okay. Jodi with an I heard families coming into New York, my family's coming into New York. So we're going to do it here. We're going out because as you know, not a lot of room in New York City apartments, right? Not a lot of rooms. So we're going to be going out. We're going to get creative with it. I think we're going to do some Chinese food among some other things, and it'll be sort of a three four day long eating affair with college football and bringing in food. But it's going to be it's going to be great. And even though this is how much of an idiot and just means not mean mean-spirited, but demanding son. I am even though we're going out. We don't really have room. We're gonna bring in sandwiches on Friday to watch some games and relaxed with the whole family. I still I mean, I pressured my mom into. So like could we still do some broccoli casserole is that like could we how can we make some broccoli casserole happen? I think we are going to do that cheesy broccoli casserole that I love with some of those French fried onions on top. So I still will have that traditional dish during the extended weekend period, but traditional I think my parents are pumped all the fires out in California. They're excited to get away. Good, and it's going to be twenty four degrees here Thursday. It'd be a little brisk brisk. That's that's the Rubinstein Jody with an eye family thanksgiving situation. Well. Happy thanksgiving to one and all and just as we are about to hit the stop button. Oh, what do we have? It's not breaking news. Don't work. Oh, we have an Email that came in from our friend. Fred who listens to the show out. We have an hop hop. -fensive? Oh, we do have a beer recommendation. Okay. We do a beer recommendation, but that's different here. I'll get to that. In a moment. I'm glad you reminded me. But Fred says that he is taking his friends Brent and Sylvia to the game for the first time this weekend. So they're going to see Michigan Ohio state. He says is there any way you could wish them. Happy anniversary got the white Brenton, Sylvia. Happy anniversary guys does he indicates? It's Brent who emailed us, not Sylvia. Right. It is Fred Fred who emailed us on behalf of his friends. What does is there? An indication of how many years there is no indication of years. There's no indicate there's no proof here that this is an actual marriage. But I'm going to take his word for it. Because he. Took the time to Email. So all right. So gimme a second here. And let me just I'm just speaking to Selby here. I don't want. Nobody else needs to listen. Yeah. You can do better than Brent. I did some dig in Brenta great guy. He's a, but you are special. You are your top of the list, and you shouldn't settle. I'm just I'm joking. Brenton salvia, I'm huge fam-. Congratulations. You crazy kids happy and keep it up your mayor recommendation for week thirteen there were a couple that came in including a couple of voice messages. But I'm going to pick this one from that he says with the game coming up this Saturday. I'd recommend a mainstay from one of the best breweries in the country, founders breakfast stout. It's thick it's beefy who it's a Abreu with a lot of flavor. It's nice for a cold gray late November midwest showdown bonus points because it's from Michigan and has a child eating breakfast on the label. Go blue here. He says this is Matt from Austin. Thank you, Matt. And he's a Michigan alum I thought. At one rather proper for a lot for the game. So brand new standards during during thanksgiving, not usually that much maybe a little bit here. But I'm usually I'm usually stuff feisty. All right. I like it. I'm stuff from all the foods. So anything else in there? But never know. That's it. Everybody have a good travel. Everybody have good anniversaries, you know, eight responsibly. Drink responsibly watch college football irresponsibly, everything for that guy over there by good friend, Dan Rubenstein in New York. See for myself tie Hildenbrand, please. Enjoy your holiday week your holiday weekend. Give us a call at four. Wade. Verbal one get those pick pools in on time solvable dot com slash pick them and tune back in on Sunday afternoon when we drop our week thirteen slash for rivalry week recap podcast. My name is Tai Hildebrandt will catch you on a few days. In the meantime, stay solid. Please.

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Episode Seven: The Pac-12 Update, The POY Race, and The Ohio State-Carolina Moratorium

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Episode Seven: The Pac-12 Update, The POY Race, and The Ohio State-Carolina Moratorium

"Today's episode of dozen `tatoes brought to you by Greg Oden Cameo Account and Greg Oden Appearance Prince in Las Vegas with the NBA retired players association. What is what is this Ed? I can't read this copied sports classic. Okay and also remember Greg. Oden thirty dollars for a nice came home for the holidays. Yeah we'RE GONNA get made Christmas gift from Greg Oden Cameo US Cameo Book. Greg Ode for Thirty Dollars Thirty Dollars folks. This is a one time fee. That's always the same Gregor's on the podcast a couple of weeks ago when we were in North Carolina Ohio State beat North Carolina by twenty five down and and He was pitching his came. We were we were. We were laughing about. How much how into his cameo he was? We thought it was funny. Like you know maybe he does one or two cameos. Does your there This man I was I was by Greg side for most of that trip. You did everything we at every meal together we. We did everything together because whatever ever you know this man would pull out his phone into cameos. Yes anywhere in the world you'd be taking a piss and he'd someone you get greg. We go live in his life. Yeah so that's like running. I gotta we gotTa Have Greg back on like in a few months and ask you like what the most outrageous paces it we'll be doing live does during our podcast. You would do that. Yeah he would be in the middle of a podcast and just hold on. Hey how's it going sharing. It's me today I used to play for the blazers. You might remember me from Ohio. State the Greg's bought ad time for our podcast. And what is he doing this weekend. We're going to Vegas we're going to vegas the CBS sports classic which features the. I didn't know that Oh house. They tried to trademark which is almost more egregious than Taco Tuesday. Ohio thing you guys trademark anything but what is it called the birthplace of aviation. That's a good sign. That was like a good like skirts. All Right Anyways University Kentucky with coach Cow North Carolina Carolina. No one just Roy Williams and nothing And then of course I didn't even want to say their name. Yeah Mick Mick. Cronin is the head coach. Yes he's still their head coach and he has the chance Martinez at noon noon. Game we're North Carolina's always struggled in the history of time to to get a signature win Cronin against K. J. Smith and the bullies the freshman team of North Carolina. Yeah we're going to. We're going to vegas this weekend. We're going to try to be fun stuff breath for the podcast top golf's if Christner here. Um He's now we We were excited about this much more excited about this trip. A few months ago but That's a canvas to anytime so Yeah check out. You seem very resigned to not proclaiming that Ohio state still top five team in the country. You seem like you're back to being being like they're UCLA. North Carolina or zero say Kentucky. Here's what we're GonNa talk about on the show and we're GONNA talk about. How Ohio State is the number one team in the net rankings yet again? Yes to start the season. We're GONNA talk about Ohio. State is number one in Ken palm yet again And all we need to look out the media he said. Stop saying you're surprised that we have fifteen fifteen is number one there. You're ranking. Their fault is wrong. Yeah right right so it's like I've never been wrong. Look at Virginia. We're going to talk about a fun a fun weekend in College Basketball Game we have beacons Aga- Arizona have a full pack twelve update for the people the PAC twelve a lotta people that were upset and they were like. Oh you really going to have this. Carolina by twenty five points in the answer was yes and now the answers. No at least for this show tae is having fielded the fire. He's going to give us the full extent to tackle. They want to do a little player of the year. Talk to so We'll we'll try to take that on at the end here so we have a full show. We have a ton of stuff to get to but I I would. He do technical foul all right. It's Tuesday at about noon here and Los Angeles take in I just want to start the show by acknowledging Who have we been doing this podcast? What about a month now? Yes roughly almost the new iteration horatio. Titus eight has been about twenty days. The feedback has been coming in a lot of five star reviews. We're very thankful for those We we we love our listeners But I read them. I read. I read the reviews. I read what people have to say. I think that's one thing that I strive to have with this. PODCAST is like a a relationship Asian ship with the fans. It's not just US talking and it's not a one way street we don't put stuff out and not have here what they say back. That's why we did fan service Friday a disaster which was an absolutely. He's astor. We'll probably the jury trusted YouTube And with that I want to say like we. We get a lot of feedback. Defense seemed to really like what we do here but the one complaint they always have is that we talk about our Alma maters. There's too much We talked about how North Carolina way too much Get to some other teams. There's other stuff going on in the country and I think I was thinking about it. Sunday night It just kind of popped in my head as planning for the show today and I was like I think we should give the fans what they want and not talk about Ohio State or North Carolina. Let's do it. I think I think that's right. They want yeah time we pass and I think This just it all makes sense. It's all kinda coming together that this would be a great week to not talk about them at all. I don't I don't know why the timing just seems so fitting does it didn't rolls off the tongue when you say we shouldn't talk about those guys because why they're not drumming up headlines sound like one of those teams teams lost their best player of the year. Yeah exactly dwayne Washington. Junior was out people wanted to you know get on me like what the hell happened to Ohio state. It's like we didn't have our best guard. What did you expect guy to say okay? We're going to talk about it. Do you WANNA go. I know you go first. Okay what the fuck is with guys named car with guys. NAME NAME CER car up thirty five on Ohio state the last guy who scored thirty points on Ohio State Attorney. Tony Karp Penn State. I'm out on cars state. I'm so ellen cars. I walked here. I walked to the studio. I'm like I'm never getting back and getting in a car. Yes I'm I'm I'm absolutely done with Cars Ohio. I called on on this podcast. I said it was a trap game against Minnesota. 'cause they were looking they have southeast Missouri Tonight And they were looking ahead to that game against Southeast Missouri and Minnesota Trap Game and it proved to be true it it was truly a trap. Yeah I think they did look at the roster and realize that a guy was named Marcus car on their team and then I realized so when I saw Marcus Card said myself Oh man and that must be Tony cars right right. He loves Ohio State. The car families accelerate. There's GonNa be a big night for Ohio states coming into cars like yeah. Yeah yeah it was going crazy and then I looked it up and I'm like no wait a second. His blows dewayne notice. And if you remember delay notice he is of course a part of the South Carolina final four eighteen with soil. Pj Does your all those guys. Did he play because her house they haven't he's like so. There is no redemption here but I will say is like the way notice. I love that twenty seventeen South Carolina. Fourteen don't feel like they get enough credit for what they did also. PJ Dosier was the first guy to wear thirty five after durant Leff o'casey but nobody seems to give me credit for that serious thornwell. He played on the clippers before they became really good. They really let him work thirty five when they're slight to him that was like that's and all the pictures it was like. But I just WanNa wear did what I did I when I would tell state Our thirty four year after tearing styles was big ten player of the year and the more thirty four. There's a lot of thirty four dollars in the crowd. Came into the freshman boom. Look at all the people where my Damn People Love My Jersey Oklahoma thirty thirty five. How about that? Yeah I you know I'm not I'm not worried about this. I'm not worried we're worried we're degree it's it's not not a big deal. It's college basketball. Was the last time we spoke on the air. You were saying Ohio State was going into the trap game but you still feel like they would be the number one team or walking talking to the best of the weekend when we both know that they are by far team in the CBS sports. Okay so I'll say this dwayne Washington Junior. I'm not. I'm not trying to take away from Minnesota's win but Dwayne washing junior play. He's our best guard. He's our best score on the perimeter. The Guy that killed if you've listened to any commentary. I've had on college basketball the entire time. I've been doing this professionally. You know how much guards who can create their own offense matter to me. I'm not alone in this. This is a you know anybody who watches college. Basketball's like that's how you win games guard you can grade their own offense So yeah it would ask ball fans we call that Kimball Walker exactly it would have been helpful to have a guy who can create his own offense out there for state. I'm that's all I'm saying. The Guy who torched North Carolina that would have been helpful to have him. We didn't have him. Kayla Western was in foul trouble. All game okay. Because I have no idea how to officiate him The rest were bad. Both ways if you say both ways that doesn't sound like you're complaining fat. You sound like better better but yeah fit like Caleb is now. It's not absorbing as much as getting the 'cause they were bad both ways and I say that solely so no one accusing me of being a homer but No that I really. This has become a problem with Kale. They have no idea how to officiate him. He fouls a lot and they don't call it and then like he gets called for ticky tack stuff because he just kind of like big lean certain in ways on guys and I have no idea what to do and they're like three of his fouls I think we're offensive fouls and all bad calls but then you also I will concede that he's also so hacking the shit out of guys on the defensive end so I don't know it's just it's just a bizarre thing and then he's out for the most of the game. It's all right we're fine we're fine we got Kentucky refine the interesting thing about the big ten. Is that the only eighteen. That's WANNA know in. The whole conference is Michigan State Everyone else wanted one everyone else's five hundred and then the only team that has only got a record of own one is northwestern Western and guess college played each other. The chance of Chris Collins ago so deep in the hole is open to everyone else above him as one and one that more than Michigan against sits atop so let's get from Michigan State argument with him being still the class of the big ten. Maybe that's why you're worried. This'll be big Chris Collins to pull this off though he may be done coming offer the NCAA tournament appearance last year. It was last year. I know he feels like it was last three years three years later. Chris you you may be. Oh and Tom. Congratulations Minnesota on winning the National Championship By beating how stay pretty good won the netball. We're still number one in the net. That's all that matters Can we talk about about your team and get that out of the way so that we can move onto. The game actually met her I it's over right It's over North Carolina Lost Wofford and Carmichael arena. I what is the first regular season as a home game since nineteen sixty eight and nineteen eighty-six. Same Dan the last time selects if there was a man by the name Kitty Smith who was the starting point guard in that game and he went on to become a two time. NBA Winning Point Guard with the Houston Rockets. However many years later K J Smith transferred from Pacific? Great Kid love him. He was the starting point guard in this game. Everyone seemed to be very excited about that. My first thought was way what it and Wofford has Carolina's number. I don't know what kind of curse Jerry Richardson pulled. When he left the panthers with Wofford north? I don't know what happened but all I know Wofford has it Fletcher Electra. Magoo was there last year. Remember him now they got this new guy storm like who the hell is store Murphy. Storms coming in. He's just hitting shots all over the place. They're chatting nate. The Great in Carmichael terrarium. Embarrassing Wofford is now two and one in the racist sixty nine one sixty two sixty four as Carolina can't even score sixty nine points. That's embarrassing there. I just wanted to bring up Carolina not relevant. I think we're going to cross Carolina. Fried like there were done with Carolina for the season but but but but I wanNA talk about the Carolina. I'm not done until mid Kronen says. This is a signature win for this program when he beads K.. J. Smith in north with Carolina on Saturday. We'll stop talking about him. We got away from it. Kuneva's signature win the last time. North Carolina lost four games in a row. They've lost three in a row right now unless four or five canal tomorrow beat Oregon. How the hell do they order the best team in the PAC twelve but again we're going to get to the twelve update later? I'll save that for How well how? The hell debuted Orient but They have zag tomorrow. Paul resume builder. It's Atkins Diet tomorrow. Yes of course. So they lose that four zero the first the last time we lost four rows February of two thousand ten sounds about right yeah This is when when's the last time. They scored like eight points points. Even seventy five points got into work. Is this the worst. It is this the worst Carolina team ever seen. No this is twenty ten no worse than the this is not whereas in two thousand two at all. This is not even close but not yet that was like looking like how did we take Adam. Boone Jason Williams Bill gutters chopping ice. And he's like I don't know I like the kid but that was a tough time but I would say in this iteration Roy Williams. He said that he doesn't know what to do. He's like at the end of the road. I'm tired I'm more worried that this year is going to kill Roy. Williams not like literally killing made. Kim WanNa Stop Coaching. Because Dean Smith always said Roy Gregoire instead of this at the live show like he thought he left too soon. We probably should have safer ninety seven ninety eight so roy. Roy doesn't WANNA leave too soon. But this team may make him in the area to Roy's credit. He has not had the vertigo yet. He's not he's not a Roy goes down. I won't say a word Coach Williams. You're doing your best. I mean he should've called a time out when storm and the boys are making a run. I understand that but like in his money's like we got the under twelve off timeout coming up. That would be crazy to call time out. We're going to need some of these time outs later in the game so we saves it they still go on this run and the game. We still have no time. Nobody has any idea. You're talking about because no one. Actually Gotcha okay. Well I think America's to Murphy's Parents Watch that game. I wonder if they're listening right now. Like you had talked about that sixteen hour. I WANNA speak for America. I'd say that we are at the point with Carolina where we don't actually watch the Games we just we see that you're playing we don't watch a second of it. We check back in two hours later and cross our fingers that you lost then we can all laugh as having the champs. Anthony is out WHA- four to six weeks or six weeks with with an injured draft stock is surgery. GotTa get knee surgery. A lot of people are saying why would he agree to get surgery. You know at this point when that just mean he'd be out for two weeks by coney any dislike weight into those people I say we just lost a waffle. Okay Co Anthony every right to get a knee surgery. Whatever he needs to get healthy six weeks is not that bad? If you look at the time line though I have a feeling they beat. Ucla has a signature win. Gets things back going. They own the PAC twelve. I have a feeling in four to six weeks. We're going to hear about coal Anthony's Rehab. It's taken a little longer than we thought. He's had a few complications Here's the here's the things that mattered in North Carolina Season Clemson in Chapel Hill Guy and that's during the coaling. Oh you worried about this at all very where they've never ever one right. Yes it's never never in the history. So they will probably win this year. If you had to guess but Cohen Navy came out for that game that degrade he got at Pittsburgh at cables you know little plays with you. Got Jason Cable Morales Secrets on the bench. Tell them everything about Carolina blown out in that game but other than that they can win some Georgia detective. Have you moved on to just hating duquette. When is that is like honestly? They're not to hate like I mean to be honest. There's no good team in ACC. I said that last week there's no top five. ACC team. I guess what America the net yet like. My question is like Wendy. Wendy transition from stop hoping anything good habit with Carolina the team. You never had hoped that was the season's over analysis do hope is a dangerous thing and we never had it the You know who do does have hope after you're pulling off of a massive win Ann Arbor Oregon the dog ducks a team that North Carolina. Be A yes. Yeah this this was the game of the day in college basketball and Saturday. This is the game him the weekend. I know you wanted to save up. But I don't want to let you off that easy because I won't your pact will update to like actually. I'M GONNA run to every team in the pack twelve. You want to do the update now. Now let's do a little run. Let's talk about the Oregon Michigan. Okay Organ Win. Seventy one seventy in overtime anthony. Matheson's a jump jump shot at the end of regulation Hits the deep three. It's a half second too late So Not Peyton Pritchard missed the free throw you know everyone's freaking out about this paid yet. You missed the free throw. Everyone's like he's still you know. Can you trust them in March. That's what I've seen. I don't understand this. Yeah I I also don't he Paid pritzker thirteen points in a row. I think it was a twenty three for the game very Jordan. Number Yeah I think this is officially usually the death of Xavier Simpson Defensive Stopper. I think this has to be right. I think we have to. We have officially laid to bed. The Xavier Simpson reputation. As like he he. He's a defensive stopper who plays the game. The this is a very very bad xavier. Simpson game I don't want to pile on the guy because I do like Iverson so we were like making fun of his Hook shots and all all this stuff on my show He's a good player. He's he's a very good college player. He's a guy that like. If I was in Michigan Fan I would absolutely love him. I think I tweeted after the game. I was like he should play every minute of every game because I wouldn't trust anyone else to run the point for them and like in a big game he should be playing the whole time But it is very very strange range how we got to a point where like Xavier Simpson is regarded as one of the best point guards in college basketball and we go into the match last year. Every time they played Michigan State owes like cash vs Xavier Xavier and then caches just owned him owned him and they beat them three times. And and then you know you you figure that would be the end of this year coming into this match up. It's like Zebra Simpson for his peyton. Pritchard Richard to to tighten point guards. It's like no legs. That is very very good but like why why do we have to put him on a pedestal. As though he's better than what he is because he's known yes. Oh College basketball works. If you're a known entity people know London Renta's than even of London apprentices and having a great year. They're gonNA talk about London. Doesn't they talk about Virginia and same with Joel Berry. And after they won the title North Carolina didn't have a great year but every time they say trae Jones coming into the season. He's not having a horrible year but he's like yeah. We kind of talked about that or trade Joneses. Yeah you're the guy that people know supposed to be the best player and everyone's kind of like okay. I guess it's kind of like Prince Ali with UCLA. You know what I mean. It's like there's no way. He's the best parliament team but he's as the most well known entity. So He's the guy. Can I just say to about Oregon. I A anthony. Mattis's jump. Shot is beautiful. This this is a I. I don't know if he's if he I don't have to think through this. He might be my favorite shooter in the country. But who cares. That's not what I'm talking about. I could watch this guy shoot. I don't need to see if it goes in. I just could I just WanNa see like an ice ocampo him to shooting. He's got like perfect forum Every time he shoots. I think it's going in He reminds me in that regard. WHO's the guy was Lamar Patterson on pit you love the Mark Patterson Eunice Great? ACC Best Player. That was the guy I was. I knew as a pig I it was Lamar Patterson now I remember who was the same way? Like I remember when the more pattern what what year is on twenty ninety four hundred fourteen. Yeah they were really good. Yeah there every time he shouted I was like my God. I mean you're the Camp Johnson was like I'm going to translate in this team and then go to North Carolina because he played lights a well known Dina I would rather watch anthony. Mathis miss jump. Shots did watch Xavier. Simpson make jump shots. I think that's where I've arrived with. Anthony Mathis jump shot. He's shooting fifty two. But here's my I promise them. He shooting fifty two point six percent from three this year. Anthony Mathis You know how I feel about this. You gotta you gotTA shoot more not fifty three percent. Yeah he had six threes. It's Michigan again. Xavier Simpson's Hook shot percentage on the season. Sixteen percent. You did me. He made me one. He made one guy he's called. I forget who was calling the game. raftery raftery. I don't think so I don't think They went nuts. They make remakes. One Hook shot they go nuts there it is. There's the hook shot. He did it guys and you ignore that he was like three for eleven and the entire game yes. I'm like that but I also did on Michigan if the season instant you know like if this is there's no much hope they they finish fifth or sixth and the big ten they. You know barely make the tournament. They're nine seats still a success. Right if you're doin' yeah that's what I think. Well that's what happened when when they came back from Hamas Amazon's got I think all Michigan financial like wait. What I don't really want this? This is way too high but okay but they're not I. I mean we talked about it on the last show like they. I don't think they have the only guy that can like really consistently get in. The paint and create shit is Zebra Simpson. Listen and he can't finish so like that's th. They're always going to be a need more. Franz they're always going to be kind of stagnant. Yeah twenty two game isn't but shoot. Well he's had the reputation Asian. He's had the Jack White situation going on where it's like. He's a great great. To hear about is not actually making anything good. He finally finally hitting against Oregon good to see that I always enjoyed those. Those guys come into school. That are like this guy is a shooter and then they put him on like the three you know like I'm Anthony Davis a little bit too. They're like remake. Play small forward as well. You're Kinda like I mean maybe Abo but like I guess zoo Carl Townsley I also I want to acknowledge. That Oregon is undefeated in the United States. As Well Carolina Carolina beat the Losses Carolina which gets more confusing by the day But that happened in Bahamas so organised technically defeated the United States. If Oreo wins the national championship and this North North Carolina team has the Clintons organ. The national champions. I'll be okay with that. especially if Cohen Almost Winter Oregon's it would all work out. Yeah that's my hope. That's all I got right now. You asked what I have left. That's what I have left. I'm still lost in that Man Yeah Michigan's really struggling. I don't know if I really trust it's Oregon team either but I think they're the best team in the pack twelve. WHO GETS YOU BET? Yeah even music for this. I really want to wag a fully go. I was scared I was scared. Your PAC twelve update. It was just going to be level warrior team. And we're going to. We're going to run through the last all right good. Let's do it we. We can't we can't resist. You can't resist anymore your your update. I wish I do know the lady that her husband is using her instagram to threaten me and also threatened you to talk about the PAC twelve of legitimate. Wait what Yeah No. Yes and. They said that they've reached out to you as well. But they're like if you don't talk about the peg I was like what are you need. Never ever forget the West Coast in the PAC twelve. Or that's the only specific that's the only conference or the only region of the country that we did a specific podcast for us. Remember when we did that. Yeah we did a full west coast episode needed a full West Coast Extravaganza. We'd never have done in east coast extravagant mid West or South. That's every other show and we're like yeah we're now. The voting pact will update. We've never done a big ten update. I don't remember I don't recall. Now we're doing a pack twelve update on every fucking show. It's still not enough for the people I don't know it's once a we. We're not doing it on Friday but you know what we're talking about all right. Let's get to go. There are two different Phases to where we're going to discuss here we're talking about the PAC twelve. There's one conversation which is the legitimate PAC twelve and there's another conversation which is my twelve are PAC twelve okay like everyone west of the Mississippi pretty much yes yes XS in the PAC twelve as far as smart as concerned there in Kansas. Just going to win the PAC twelve. You know. I don't see what happens. Let's see what happens this. Your Kansas owns the PAC twelve All right I talked about the worst team in the pack. Twelve Washington state okay. They're they're kyle. Smith is their coach. Easy I thought Kim Boneless still coach I guess not. They're struggling for all right. Now we're getting to the Nitty Gritty California. All right. We got Mark Fox. California California is not good at all this year. No why King Jones is not the coach anymore. Jason Kid is not the coach. Jason Kidd is also refreshed. My memory was he liked the reason. He's not the coach is because he hadn't doesn't have a degree. Yes you you had to graduate. would be him if he would have actually had his degree but he doesn't. I'm Jason Kidd. Can you just like making a pass like. Isn't that the whole point of this and everyone's like yes. Isn't that what the hell was. California started the year four. No they lost five of their last seven and pretty much every team that they play in California despite being California they lose to so California. You're in California and you play California. You'RE GONNA win that game that's tough. That's the PAC twelve update. They beat everyone outside of California. There'd be everyone everyone outside. That's not a good team. But they're listening to cal state northridge. Yes yes exactly. Yeah number. Ten analysts might be shocker. People were shocked by this. Ucla Make Oh you're going through the top twelve top give you one note on all these teams. I learned one. No idea who zero clue do actually like what I saw from Washington state kind of believe in you know but but aside from that. Ucla no belief no believe in this team May Cronin has broken these men down and they will not come back. Yep You know what I mean a lot of times you break people down. You think that's like a a rise you know. Maybe a dark knight rises situation. It's not these guys aren't coming back. May Cronin Kronen. They're dead to him and at the end of the day when you look at this team. That's my new thing. I love pickles. That's not people were saying this because we've been since for a long time at the end of the day macron will be fired tired you will be fired at the end of the at the end of the end of this day. No I'm kidding. Everybody of a vital. I was watching the Memphis Tennessee. Gave it at a vital says. I'll tell you one thing. He says that at least forty times a game. I'll tell you one thing James Wiseman comes back. This is going to be completely different team. And I tell you one thing and just goes on. And on my dicky view that's more than one those are ladder thing thing sir. Those are things multiple thinks there may cronin is seven and four. A lot of people are are saying that this team is just not his guys. Yep My PAC twelve update is. Are we sure that any of these guys that make Cronin ones will go to UCLA. You'd have to give him four full years to get his guys to get the guys out. Yes you have to four. Four years is a full cycle. Get the old guys out. Get his new guys in establish a culture tate. Give him four years. That's what I say. Let me just tell you. And he's got forty. He's got four years to do it. I think that's the contract right. So he's going to get fired at the end of that counter not resigned or whatever you're going to say but at the end of the day May Cronin is not gonNa make it Ucla. That's what I was saying. That's I don't think he I don't think he wants to me. I think you silly they thing was just to get him out here I think the UCLA thing was he wanted to get the hell out of Cincinnati. I think he I think he lived his entire life in Cincinnati. He He. If you're godfried you just waiting Ayton. Yeah just waiting. I think it was a lifestyle thing like Cronin. Just wanted to get out of the Mid West. Ucla is something that makes a ton of sense. Because you can like sell it to people in Cincinnati. You don't look like ah you. Don't you betrayed. Cincinnati it's like I had to it was Ucla Blueblood like you can't leave UCLA UC Irvine which is where he's going to end up. I was GonNa ever done the area. Romar Shaka's boots. Yeah you can't leave Cincinnati and go to pepperdine if you're cronin but if you'd stop at Ucla along the way yes then. It's more palatable for the people people of of Cincinnati so I think that's what he was doing seven and four if they beat North Carolina on Saturday like we said does he get a contract extension. Because that's what I I think. I think that's my biggest. That's my news where we watch out for. That's what I'm worried about. All right number nine Arizona State The sun devils. I know a lot of people. Think baby. Yeah they they think Arizona State might be ranked if they beat Saint. Mary's I'm saying all this in quotations because I'm not sure these Games are happening but anyways Mary's this Wednesday. Oh they're going to win. It's Mr December bobby. beggs bobby bags is ready. Mr December guys Georgia by twenty which is like their claim to fame right now. Everyone's saying Arizona State Blew Out Georgia. You and I both watch Georgia in person. Is that impressive impressive. No not at all Shaman. And unless they can show they tried to act like they didn't just beat them a last second shot like in the same way that Kevin Keegan's the way I'm an active Stankiewicz not hitting a half court shot you to win. That's how they're accurate Shabina really. Yeah we just one that go. Don't tell the resume people we were in total control the entire every time we knew we were GonNa hit the last second shot the whole time. We were scared. Romy Martyn somehow good really good okay. I'm listening saying like right now. I don't know I talked about it. I know who really Martin. What do you mean like somehow get like? He's he's much better. He according to the PAC twelve offs is is a contender for popular player of the year. Now I don't know how distinguish that award is but it is an award. I gotTa talk to our guys actual words who I used to work with us at the rear he's an Arizona State. I go golfing with him all the time he he. He's he's feed me. There's a state propaganda at all times. So get to see what he has to say about it. So I'M GONNA segue into phase two out of Verizon States segue to a guy that he worked for Herbs Index. Santa Clara moving up the ranks like if Santa Clara California tonight Santa Claus Win that game probably by twenty points. Santa Clara is number nine on your PAC. Twelve rank is Everson Santa Clara in my PAC twelve. which is what will be the second phase of this? Because I'm going to ask you just I wanna Rinku who the best team in the pack. Twelve which I think is a lot larger than we're talking about but I'm giving them what they want Utah Next Utah beat. Byu which. I don't understand or stand at what is happening is be the best team that doesn't win and Byu and pope and like these guys that we really. I believe in the Jack White of teams. I wonder if they don't make shots but they don't win games but I swear they're a good team. I swear I saw this team in Maui. They they are very good team team but they don't win so I'm kind of running out of excuses I dunno here. Is there Hot that's all. I don't let them get hot. Here's their chance for redemption with Utah themselves not Byu Byu has no chance for redemption. Right now maybe once again play Utah. Plays one of the teams that I'M GONNA ask. You is the best team. In the pack. Twelve slash the west coast which ages San Diego State huge schilling in the net rankings. They were the highest ring team. In era he's number three number three. Yes undefeated waiting for the crickets. The number three the aspects they play Utah in Los Angeles. And we're going to go to that game we don't do you know probably but what is it. It's coming up. I think it's coming up enough. I just wrote down. They plan so you're doing a great job you update than I. Oh I'm ready to go next up. We get Oregon state the beavers okay so a guy that you hung out nickel in Chapel Hill. Chat flack man lost to the beavers twice the National Championship in baseball. So me personally. I don't like Oregon State never have like Oregon State. Don't like beavers either that tight. It seems pretty self explanatory but back to the beavers this team eight in one maybe better than Oregon. Okay that's the talking people in Oregon saying maybe Oregon State maybe people are saying. It's the most trump thing I've ever seen in my life. This update is it's called BS and that's that man. Does I mean does that. A lot of a lot of chatter out of this on the Internet. They have a week non conference slate so everything. I've said throw it away. Yeah throw it away. That's organized it's the best team I actually care about. Jared Hassin Stanford Cardinal Okay. I still don't like is the cardinal. Yeah I think it should be an S. or just I don't like it. anyways Stanford Cardinal Casey left Kislyak. Paula went to the NBA. There's supposed to be really bad care. Nine in one jared has would. They're saying the people in the PAC twelve circles coach of the year PAC twelve coach to the year early season. You're ready you're already. They're already said already. Having been played in the PAC twelve. Yeh already top of the top of the shit. Jared has all these message boards. You're on take twelve circles. rerunning it basically just taking what I see and then I'm just turning into it. Maybe I should work for the network. I'll stir up some drama buffalo's Volos next step we we we get the. That's how we we drive up ratings packed with you and I are are skipping Shannon of the pact just get on there and dislike argue about packed with basketball are are you kidding me that it was the best show thank you. That's what I'm saying. Watch it let's go do it. Yeah Colorado number. Five on the list they played Dayton in Chicago on Saturday. The game yes they are eaten too. Okay that's good. That's that's good. That's a good nugget nugget NATO get the Trojans they are on probation so my question to you is can't talk about batum Harvard. which is the ultimate of cheating and sports play Harvard and beat the shit out of them we are USC? I like that. I like fight on fight on mentality. Notice allegations drop. Was it Friday night. Yeah it like Fridays. Just please put it out. I got you Andy Andy. Yeah no doubt. We'll get into football coach and here urban coming soon TCU They beat Tcu Again on probation note. Don't know how much we can talk about them next up Arizona number three on the list of people would say number two. Listen live you'll be wrong. Arizona lost to Gonzaga Gonzaga's officially the PAC twelve champion base is on the analytics. We have here At Titus Tait and so they won the PAC twelve. Congratulations ZAGS GONNA be. What are the what are they one? Eight zero against the PAC twelve. Now do you know the last years of nugget for. Here's a pack twelve for the Laszlo. Celtics team to beat Dare Williams Arizona. Was it out of knowing you know. I know it was Ucla Twenty fifteen. In Spokane Isaac Hamilton at twenty three. Ucla Wow Isaac Hamilton. You told me that name out and said he played in two thousand twelve. Yeah he probably did twenty twenty seven. Maybe it'd be there for yeah. It was the you've got the most minutes in that game for UCLA. bryce Alford I was GonNa say I was GONNA say Jordan Far Mark but then I'm like really often my years Yeah Twenty fifteen last time. Gonzaga lost packed. Wilton Twenty fifteen was the same year that Bryce Alford shot at the Rim tournament. And then they called Golden Shore. Yeah get says if you got a rebound and they're like golden it'd be like if they called goaltending like Lorenzo Charles. When he caught the air doctor they by the play? Yeah can you imagine by the way you don't have much. That happened. Probably like back in the day like I don't know I'm I'm going to go off on a tangent here but I swear that lake before. TV just imagine how much cheating went on. And and with refs an you know like Adolph rupp in Kentucky. Oh my God I can only imagine and how much the same Carolina to see the same with all these places with Ucla back to Kentucky like you know how easy would be to cheat to not like. I don't know to just have the ref just make blatantly horrible calls and the Games aren't on TV and then you team gets screwed like you're you're visiting team playing Kentucky in like the sixties and you just get completely host and you're just like whoa what just happened and no one no one gives a damn. There's no video of it. There's snow there like get the hell out of here. Yeah we want we want my twenty points like Nassau with the scoreboard. The more I think about all that the more I think like no. NCAA titles title should count before like two thousand two or something. Let's say ninety five here here. We gotta get Gottfried Freedom Romar of won two titles so silly to have one before that like. Oh my God. The cheated went on like the. The college started in Nineteen ninety-five with Jim Harrick cheating so much they won the title. And then that's like the foundation of like this is what new team looks like cars and houses. Yeah if you WANNA be sick if you WANNA be a cynic and I don't. I'm just saying if someone else does these. People run in circles might. Oh Yeah you could say. The Lake John Wooden is in is dropping back to the same Gilbert to get all these companies to UCLA. The love of the game they came and then they play all their games at home no the entire. Ncaa Tournament played within a twenty mile radius of UCLA campus. Until the time you ever heard of the Pyramid of success that's what they would say about this. All right we give it is. We didn't talk anything about Arizona by the way we didn't talk about Shawn Miller alerts still sweating Shawn Miller Yeah his cough. Is We gotta get this cough figured out. I figured the cough is always a nice. I've learned learned in speech. People like to have little takes to break up the conversation especially when they say so a cough sometimes as cover what you say. He's not created the because as a way to Sean. Did you pay these kid He these kids last night. He I understand that Arizona has a good offense year. That's what I've been told I've been told I would say James. I've watched this I. I've had enough of I've had enough Shawn Miller basketball to last a lifetime of watching robotic big men and I like nausea. They're freshmen they have. He plays really hard and every time he dunks it. He he celebrates liberates like He. I don't know what's up is not the first time you've ever done. I love enthusiasm. It's great but Arizona's big is once again kind of robotic once again they can't shoot threes. At least they couldn't against Gonzaga. They were horrible from the three point. Line what's going on here you go. He's not even the best restaurants he was. He was three for twenty though. Oh and and I know that sounds bad. Two three four twenty. Here's here's the silver lining three for twenty. This man was three for nineteen at one point and thought to himself. This next shot gone and Dan any shot and I love that confidence out of my freshman point four for twenty. Just mathematically better like even you know you just think about like quiz status eh quiz bag. You just do the math down just like four twenties. Isn't that terrible. You know three foof you gotta get lock it up man Let's let's talk about number two teams in whatever we already talked about them. They're number two and then the number one team the team that we really care about and the team that is number two in all of the West Coast The Washington. HUSKIES Your boys the starbucks Magoo's okay as the dish out starbucks the media to get their favor. They've won he's one Washington number one in the PAC twelve. He's never once the Oregon coast lost to North Carolina. It is bad they are for that doctor. Doc for that and I still don't think an overtime win is like the most impressive thing in the world and I don't think Michigan's that good so I think Washington to me is the best team in the pack twelve despite right now right now yeah we get more updates to come but a lot of basketball at Washington number one overall the West Coast Gonzaga number one so as one a one. B One c San Sandiego state. I think I'M GONNA make this catchphrase mine too is. There's a lot of basketball if it'd be played there's a lot I want to say that after everything. Yeah I like that. I like that phrase you say sounders. Basketball Kabbadi played jared houses the coach of the year in the PAC twelve. But there's a lot of basketball and remi. Martin is the PAC twelve player of the year but January is That's great that's that's a great update. I feel like that anything else. We gotta everyone will be very happy about that Bill Walton gave John Number on. That was awesome. You we overlook that that's that actually if if I could give a real pack of update that would have been the PAC twelve update are you. Are you believing dagga. 'cause I what do you mean. Do they exist yes. I don't think spokane exists but I do think that Gonzaga team exists Petra. Chev till the in kiss. Bert are really good. But like I look at those three guys and I think to myself those are your three headed monster. That's not enough for me still. I don't know when I mention either. Killing Taylor could be considered their best player. You were like Scotland because you're so resigned to thinking that he has to be their eighth guy which I agree with. That's the problem but I I. Yeah I I don't I don't feel like Zag is as good as don't take this wrong. The very I don't basically it's like the landscape of college basketball is such that Zag. It probably is the second best team in the country right now but I don't look at that like last year's team was so much better. It's better than this year's could ever ever what happened last year. They went to North Carolina and Seventh Woods at sixteen points on them. Abbott Hereford's yeah. It was great man to repeat of that okay art good Zag Gonzaga's one of the best teams in the country. But like I think it just speaks to the the landscape as a whole I don't know because I because I look at them even like yeah. Last year's team would beat the St by twenty five. At least I wanNA point out that same person that I called Africa telling me that Florida was going to make the final four based on their pre scout announces. They texted me and said that. All College Basketball's dog should this year after being bill as it was built that we were saying. Apparently that's what scouts are saying to people in Nashville or people in Gainesville or people all over the place that are driving around Florida and South Carolina and Texas and all of these places They're all saying wow these. These guys are really bad at basketball. And I say to this blame the coaches. We blame the millionaires of tacos. They seem a little too fat happy. I say this if you're watching college basketball the ball to see super talented players play basketball. You've already made a massive mistake. No does that is not why we watch yes. This is competition at its. Yes yes why we watch for the love over the game yes we watch for the sheer fact that potentially it could be out there or your kid it should be you. Let's break reader comeback. I want to touch on this Memphis Tennessee game a little bit. I don't watch a ton of and does a very ugly game but I just WanNa talk about the more the stuff surrounding it because has penny hardaway. Rick Barnes rivalry is something And then I want to eat just need more penny. I N give me that and then I wanNA talk about player of the year a little bit. So we're going to do that. Rigoberta Asia Briggs get a word from our sponsor dollar Shave Club. 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We're back after a very very extensive PAC twelve update I thought you did a great job. That was a great introduction to the I learned a lot. Actually I I feel like there's the the whole reason we're doing. This is because it really does feel like the PAC. Twelve exists in a bubble and as you're ripping off stuff about Stanford and you could have asked me before you said Stanford what nine one you'd have asked me before you said what Stanford's record I would have had no idea us. It'd be honest. The most shocking thing for me was seeing the records of these teams suing the the background check of honestly laid. That could be packed. Update as you just read the PAC twelve standards and I think a lot of people listening to learn a lot. They'll be like. Oh my God really yeah. Oregon State is Washington. State has some upside. I wash cougars pumped. I love it. I love basketball. I I the best case scenario. Is that like Oregon and Washington and Arizona are all real like buy into February. They're all like in the top Ted Eh. They're all just know best case in that wins title love. That is not the best game. That is the false fast baths that is that is not then. We're going to start doing the big ten of date act like they're the PAC twelve because that's those are the rules doc. Whichever whichever power conference team gets the fewest teams into the tournament this year becomes the new PAC twelve and we measure in the ACC update? It's going to be great all right moving on a Memphis Tennessee. I didn't watch a ton of this game. I tried it was very very ugly at one point. The first half Memphis eight minutes without scoring a point a lot of times you get these droughts that are field goal droughts and but they're still free throws me met in Memphis had zero point at a scoring straight up scoring drought of fan this season. I've watched eight-minute drought. So I can tell you it's laborious well would Carolina's eight-minute in a droughts they lose by twenty five. You'll have a state Dean Dome when Memphis has eight minute drought. They still win on the road in Tennessee. That's the game was that they still won despite a an eight-minute scoring offense maybe worse than Memphis offense based on what I saw and based on the fact that everyone I talked to you but I have two friends I would tend. You're doing a lot of talking to people. My God look. I don't like to watch anymore. Tell me what you like. You know. I'll talk about. No I'm kidding but I didn't watch game I just watched the highlights but penny afterwards. That's all all I really care about with Penny I don't the team is ugly basketball. Like they don't know how to do anything on a basketball court. I don't know how much they're learning about basketball. But it doesn't seem like much but I love penny so I'll watch penny rick. Barnes is team same way honestly. He seems like he's a little resigned. This year as opposed like the success of the Jordan bone. You know last year's team Jordan bones to all the guys I of the list Graham Admiral Skies Jordan would on was severely underrated team the same with that Taurean Green backing down the Florida teams were severely under. So it's putting that out there okay. But anyways Tennessee they keep saying. They're a strong defensive team and sure. I think there are a good defense team. But they're so bad offensively they have to be just good on defense so I think that's a so that defines there so Just thrown as his out. James Wiseman is In an NCAA jail until still just just so with you. They have their best garching. Yona or the best scoring guard can Unisys out their best bigeye their best player Weisman's out and they they snap snapped Tennessee's thirty one game home winning streak. Does that do anything for you. Does that does that. Move the needle phobia. It moves the needle in the sense that pins back and beyond sentece. Yeah and I think rag. Barnes made a mistake by going back Tennessee. Because he doesn't want the smoke from Jerry Stackhouse got the leave. You see what he does. Lay Yeah Zane. He came back and Blue Elliott ultimately. He should've gone. He should have just left but then he used to get more money in Tennessee. Yeah 'cause he was like I'm not scared of Penny Hardaway. But you should be but he he would have got fired at Ucla. Ucla exists just an everyone's going to ucla to get and every higher will watch. I think everybody's just going to be fired or Watson. When he gets there is probably GonNa Change the whole program run run over by me? And why don't we hire a Watson earlier and he's like yeah. That's what I was yelling. Watson turns around they have like four good years and then Joey this reliefs they've Watson is the coach and Baron. Davis is his top assistant. You wouldn't want to go play for those two guys I would maybe over Penny Hardaway at this point You could be in L. A.. Did you see that penny. So a penny after the game said he wants to keep this rivalry going. It's important him. Yeah excuse accuse me it's important to him that he his quote was like I know people that went to Tennessee there from Memphis so for that reason I want to keep this thing going Last year you might remember Two two things happened last year. Number one penny hardaway gotTA fight ish for lack of a better term of light. Yeah just certified and he was talking all that shit about Barnes and and It got a little heated at the Fedex Forum last year now that happened also completely unrelated to that but just one reminder a fan ship behind the concession stand totally said you remember that John Penny Hardaway almost fired. Barnsley pressure yourself. Yeah that's what you want to So this was the second time they said on the broadcast is the second time that Memphis Tennessee played each other's ranked teams time was an. Oh eight I believe when it was the one versus two game with cow there yes so the rivalries back or is it because pennies like I want to keep this thing going Barnes I I signed this contract with Tubby Smith because I like toby. Were some good old boys from the south that just you know what yes. Yeah if if you don't think highpoints be a powerhouse in basketball in about five years you're sorely because they got some my so this was Rick Barnes. Point of view is like I signed this deal because I like toby in. I thought it'd been fun to play. W I don't WanNa play against you Benny. You're you're everything wrong with the game of basketball. I'm speaking Rick Barnes. It was believed it. I was like yeah I was like well. So Rick Barnes will not will not agree to. He didn't say no but he's he he he will not commit to keeping this rivalry going. Didn't say no is a great Rick Barnes where to put things and I also will say penny will use that as him being scared to play Memphis and he will actually win in the end of Barnes dozen play him so Rick Barnes a smart he would just play them and beat them they they have to each other. They have to play till you we have to happen. Should we get like in Nashville correspondent to say if they care about Memphis because I think that would be hilarious. Yeah just to hear what the other side of that now. I don't really go down to Memphis. The old man we need a new in Nashville is what I what I'm saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah Lebron Jerry Stackhouse Jerry. Stackhouse is like the arbiter of the whole the the battle for Tennessee late late ends vanderbilt arena and Jerry Stackhouse calls the game and officiates it but he's like the head of the system styling. I don't play the second thing we're just we you I know there are too many rivalries non conference rivalries that are are going extinct. Iu Kentucky is no more Kansas Missouri. NO MORE IT'S A. It's sad we we have to preserve rivalries and I hope they hope they continue a new one. That's about to start this weekend. Ucla Carolina Cronin signature. Victory on the way. I want to have this discussion discussion about a player of the year because I was I was thinking about this. I texted you this morning. About this The the narrative around this college basketball season so far is that all the top teams are losing The chaos we are. We are due for an insane. NCAA tournament there. There's a lot of a lot of commentators. Are Jumping the gun already. Ready that there's more talk of this tournament fuel to that's happening more than it than it has. It's happening an unprecedented. It's all all the conversation is on the teams themselves. The teams are losing two teams. that it hit me. I haven't really heard anyone. Thoughts on the National Player of the year race is is no one knows. No one's talking to players. Yes yeah and I thought we we are pioneers. We we start discussions. That's what we do for a living. Everyone just listen to us. I brought her up The one time about the human centipede and You know you take your opinion your shit in the next guy's mouth and you keep passing along. WHO's at the head of the centipede? Why not US wanting joining us? Why don't we start it and we just shit our opinions down the line and let other people get going so I wanted? I wanted to discuss the national player erased and see how you were. You see it where I see it and Marcus car is the name that comes to mind. That's not enough. I think the the race is a simple reason. No one's talking about the race is because the guy that I think is the national weather year got owned by a guy who was supposed to be a candidate to be national player of the year. And I'll explain devan Dodson ooh l.. The Kansas Jayhawks to me is the best player in the country. Who watched them live in person to Maui? I think he is basically Devante Graham point over on the point for Kansas. I think the team is not near the team. If they don't have him doing everything I think he's a scoring guard. I think he is a facilitator. I think he gets as a bouquet involved. I think he act Baljit's a great guy on the wing next to him to kind of cover him as far as like a defensive guys like Klay Thompson type situation you guard their best guard. I can kinda chill but he also has great help defender abdomen like two point two steals a game but what he lost at Msg to Trade Jones on national TV. Which is why we gotta get Roy Champions Classic? I think if that happens the first game of the year. He's got plenty of time. Zagla Egli plays at. Kansas is like if he played a smaller school when that happens. That's all anyone remember. They beat Duke in overtime. The same way. That worrying is be Michigan. Like Devan doesn't doesn't have a great game. Whatever he's he's probably everyone's like he's definitely the natural of the year but I think we all watch that game or like? Oh He's Kinda struggling almost takes that now it was like they probably should've kept grimes. Just as a backup echoed in Greater Houston and then now we watch me looks completely in control one big role player of the week again. And it's I think he's a national player of the year. Yeah I I liked that. Pick so I I was thinking I I do not disagree that at all I was thinking about the the The way you win national player how how do you. How do you actually win it? It's not enough to be the best player that's because we know college basketball media people have vote on the stuff. They're idiots they don't just vote for the best player. Vote for like a story or or there's got to be something around it right. We call Thomas Robinson Right. Yes So one of the one of the more popular. Things is the best player on the best team. And and I don Dodson certainly checks that box. So He's good in that regard. I think that is a key beyond being one of the best players. He's got that going for him. He's Kansas is the number one team in the country. He's their best player. That's awesome You Look Zag. I don't think any of those guys have a chance. I'm rip through the People here. zagged none of those guys have a chance. A Louisville Jordan Laura does yes he very much doubt I guess what has happened to him on national. TV in Madison Square Garden. You get on very true. That's common theme. I guess that's the thing is like talking about it because everyone's like it's hard to sell that to the masses when they're like well. I watched that one game in doors now. That good Duke is number four. I I don't think carrier Tree Jones can win. That can happen. I don't think that can happen. Quite Ohio state. Caleb lessons not wouldn't it. He's that's not happening and I think Washington could have a better chance to honestly. I think the way Washington actually like a no-one no-one on how states even Sniffen all American honors. I don't think even if Ohio state is number number one of the Co like if if they win the bait. I don't think it's happening. If I could see Caleb Caleb would get if I will stay wins. The big ten gets a one-seat Kayla will be an all American but he's not gonna come close to a national player. I don't think it sucks. Caleb is this like we said. He's like the proxy phase of the Teams Right Kentucky. If it'd be Ash Hagans he's not WANNA know Maryland would be Cowan. He's not winning in Oregon would be paid in. He has a chance he actually does have a gist was looking at paid. Richard Stats today. beyond Oregon Oregon their won loss as we said at Carolina didn't happen in America so it doesn't count the they're undefeated in the United States Pritchard stats are pretty similar to dozens. Pretty much if if you're a stats guy. Pretty much the same thing. I same step class of you average at least twenty points per game and everyone near like nineteen point eight but it's like you know semantics twenty points whatever Pritchard has the moment is the overtime whole thing. We all watched it. That's what really mad. CBS Nobody remembers the Carolina Game. So yeah the one you know blipped is the blitz and not a mom. Yeah no one watched. The Carolina game was in the loser's bracket no wasn't that was well. They lost To was it Michigan. Yeah it wasn't loser. Because they lost Michigan Yeah so they didn't know one watch that yeah. Yeah Yeah they lost team. Yeah the try So to recap those those are your top eight teams and so no on those other than dots Dotson nor and Pritchard. Yeah Yeah so those are the. That's how you went for the best player in the best. Those are three candidates dot Sonora and pitcher right The other way you can win is if like your team's not great but or the trade. You ought to be bad but yeah trae young situation where you have a team and you're so when he Anthony Edwards could possibly of Georgia if he just yet averaging thirty five points but he's not so he's not any loss by twenty point Bobby Hurley. UH-HUH I through through these three names down for for that category. Ob Top who we love. Dade fringe me. Madam saying Dayton Dayton is a great team but I'm saying in as a whole the media obviously they do not respect eight and as much as I should be do Dina's ranked thirteenth which is like the highest. They've they've been like sixty eight. I think sixty seven in some of the year they lost the UCLA in the title game. Yeah this is the highest. They've ever been ranked So but but you know like it's not GonNa be on national TV. They're not the we we. We talked about this. The the one shot was like in Maui where the whole world was watching it now like they're not gonNa have the nations of their last. Big Game is Colorado in Chicago. This Saturday the last eighteen. We're not putting on eighteen. It's just the reality of the situation is like the people that vote on this stuff or not gonna be watching Dayton it all the time but OBI top up and putting up insane numbers in Dayton has like a a a Saint Joe's type season in the word. They don't necessarily have to go undefeated from air but like they're just dominated everybody and OBI toppings average I mean what does he have the right now. Twenty one and eight yes. Any is a digital put up some crab games in the end. He as we as we keep talking about these big moments on these big stages against Kansas he played out of his mind. He has the step back right by the Kansas Bench and he turns them looks at them. he's got a chance I think he does have a chance and The other guy that fits is billing of Lake. NONA necessarily a national title team. But that's just not the best player on the best teams type situations. Marcus Howard The first team all American preseason. He's averaging twenty five point one but my problem with him is he's very likable to the. Yes yeah we can't. We can't give national national player of the year to a guy who made the second third best players on the team transfer because he was coming back. The Hauser said. We're out if this guy's coming back I want no part heartless and I can't I can't give their word to that guy. It's a lot of shots. Yes a lot of show ended. Basically all he does is shoot. He doesn't score. which like if you're going to do one thing on a basketball court scoring a a good thing to do but I don't know it's it's kind of artificial but I think he's been around too? It's not like a new shiny toy top in as a as a as a name that you saw when Mao people are like oh who's ob topping good. Yeah so it could. It could work in his favorite like the the career Achievement Award Lord. You know like everyone. Everyone's Marcus Howard has been scoring twenty five game. It feels like for seven years in a row. Let's say a career achievement give it to pay him Pitcher mm-hmm because he took Oregon to a fine. We take organ no final four but he was a point guard on that team. Yeah so that's how I see it right now. My my five candidates who are are probably my five all Americans right now Dotson Nora. Yup Pain Pritchard OBI top Marcus Howard. That's because the guys what what makes this race interesting too as you have like a guy like cash winston come into the season's preseason player. He's he's obviously got going on with what he has gone on their coal anthony. He's out he's out. He's definitely out James. WISEMAN OUT NICO now. You can't go through. Those are probably the three most hiree blacks year and Kyrie black shoes. It was like the hot transfer. And he's out he's been yep he's terrible. Yeah we're right now is yeah. He's a certainly not gonNa Nash Player. So you have all these guys coming into the year thinking thinking like they have a chance there kind of already out like none of those guys can win it even. Yeah I really feel like they're all you can cross them all off right now and every single one even Cole Anthony came back and ACC play after this four to six week break and dislike dominates and does what is still a national player of the James Wiseman one hundred percent now when no matter James Watson could average fifty and thirty an AH MEMPHIS wins the title. And he's not exactly no one's GonNa vote the media's not gonNa vote for the people are GonNa vote for him for all that data is the one that checks the most boxes I think nationally for people to like him. He's familiar. People have seen him. You don't mean and he is their best player. I really want to win it. I won't top two topics my favorite player country. I I think he's the most likeable player in like. I said he's a new shiny toy Derrick Williams. But we're going to watch more on the problem is keep saying he's not on TV. Though only I went back and looked like in the one and done era. Jimmer the only guy to national player of the year without like a major T- contract. Yes it did not play in a conference where you're on national national. TV All the time. And that was come on Marco. You Know Jim Tolson should be on that list. Man Jake Tilson certainly. Yeah put on the list. That's my like as my dark horse Yeah that'll be interesting to me. I mean along with like all these teams are losing all kinds of stuff that the the national play that your race is kind of wide open. 'cause it's it's a yeah. There's there's nobody that like Zion. At this point of the season last year is already one. Yeah it was over. It didn't even matter. Don One in the champions classic which is why it's okay. Yes so there you have it. That's I think we're both in agreement. I think if I had to give the award out out today I would give it to Datsun But I want top to win it. That's that's where I stand right now. Okay his name is obeyed I so I would say he deserved it just for that anything else before we go. North Carolina State and Kevin Keats a lot of people. A lot of eyeballs are that are saying is state is good as advertised. Obviously they just did it. Hit a half courtship Marco Johnson and a half court shot against UNC G. which is you know maybe alarming? Who knows what they play at? Auburn Auburn is another team. One of the fourteenth left is undefeated but they also lost Chuma. They lost dare harbor. They lost everyone. That matters Pretty much you would think with their team. But they're still twelve and seven the net over so rain pretty last hour. Five team does undefeated. Yes exactly so in that sense if NC state were to go into Auburn get. This win. Didn't help last year but if they were to go and get this huge win against Auburn. I think this will officially seal. The Kevin Keats has the best team than triangle. Or the Rombas. Rombas the ROM. The research. Rama's yeah speaking of speaking of undefeated teams. I Keep Mitch Zia winner. I keep mentioning teams. That are undefeated on the mainland. I have my list here. Oregon Gonzaga Zanga Dayton lost in Maui. Only loss on overtime to the number one team the country So there are undefeated on the mainland And Baylor is only loss was to Washington and Alaska so we have to acknowledge that we have to acknowledge Baylor who Is My blind spot right now. So my coach of the year now is Scott drew and I watch him play at all. I've been watching. Anybody ever watched anybody on Larryelder but I want them to be. I won't Scott You to win coach. Who will do you have another blind spot right now? Any Florida was my blinds by until I watched them and now I know I know why wasn't watching exact. Exactly the Butler game was very. Oh wait they're not popping up. Yeah Baylor's the one team that I keep meaning to get around to Florida state before to do and maybe it was good now. I've learned. I mean they're not bad but they're not as good as I thought they haven't watched the tone of Maryland but at the same time I that's by design. We've that's a it's let's Berlin's in the mix. I'm not watching Maryland until marked. Herden and Maryland do it in March. It's fair that that will guarantee Maryland goes to the final four to watch Maryland though before they play Ohio state the first few January because They play in college park going to win and all the Maryland fans are going to be like watching us now. Are you watching us now. We're up to be. The answer is simple. I had I had a couple of days before you go number. You want a Jon. Rothstein is getting dragged our friend. Our beloved giants. See this with someone I don't even want to dignify the source of this this there. There's a there's a website out there that is Showing the receipts on the Jon Rothstein. Good luck texts. That he sends to coaches and they reached out all these coaches and ask them to screen shot their conversation with rusty. And all these coaches the dialogue with Rothstein is basically just like good luck today. Good luck today. GOODLUCK Because none of the coaches respond. So it's just a series of good luck today texts from from Austin and The Internet is not being kind to baby boy. Who has that just shows persistence? Persistence shows a dedication to the craft. And anyone that's hating on that like you should probably take somebody. But they're roasting a man because he takes good luck to every coach coach every sad and every human being on earth yet. which were probably the craziest thing I've ever heard? There's the hustle. There's nothing to rose there and that it's unbelievable he takes he takes my buddy Was Joking today thank. He's he's like. Hey Good luck before. podcast you do and I was like a joke but the man did text before the season. Good luck this season. The man announced his engagement on her show. I mean this guy. Is We love we love. We love the I had. I had this to this little nugget. Doug it I saw on. ESPN Do you remember the guy from monmouth. The is named George. George Pappas towards pop. He is the guy who they played a key. Love Brian. I love jared with me play. Kansas year steals the ball. When they're down fifty? Oh my favorite player on the see. Yes yes yes yes yes. ESPN interviews him. Why it shows why they didn't do it earlier? I don't know but the story just came out they interview this guy do acuity with them and is basically explaining like that was one of the greatest moments of White Basketball Escobar hit. He got attack he dunked on and he said I don't give a great so. ESPN like George. Why why? How in a word? How did this is George So I was careened through the interview and I came across this and it's hilarious. ESPN S. What did your teammates say to you? And what did your coaches say to you. And Papa says answers this. My teammates mate's besides the fifty point loss. They were pretty excited. Pretty good quote. I mean besides fifty. We had a pretty good time decides the fifty point loss. They were excited. They were pretty excited. It was like we played to the whistle. Were walking out of here with a smile so shout out to George pop former walk on. He walked on at Monmouth got a scholarship after his first year and then dumped on Kansas and gave his teammates a smile after getting their asked. Fifty points points in in a day that we're doing the rankings of places Mama's number one in New Jersey for me you know rutgers gave all the business by the way I like rutgers but mom mama have lost by fifty but did you see that dunk the whole team in King or like this. Just great I love that school king rise needs a bigger your job he needs the UCLA job. That I mean every single job every single person I liked it Martin. Mark poses deserves the UCLA. Exactly everyone I liked. This is like college football like any team win the game. You say we want Bama coach like when's three it's like a ucla show you still job. Dude I mean I still Eric Balsam and did not get the job like that is the most egregious act. It's not too late Arkansas's it sounds like ninety one. I think exactly you still a job if he was at UCLA. UCLA would be tend to know. That's the most bus baby as what we do Less than before we go pins day I got two more Penn state ranked for the first time since nineteen ninety six. Shout out to the NINIAN's Tony Car. Yeah I did. I felt like Penn State had a tough off loss earlier. This year that you do you remember like the they've got blown out somewhere for it where I can't believe them by like forty points. That was like that probably will go down when the big that's actually more impressive. The Carolina winner this. Let's focus on that. Let's focus on hosted. The pins date one Jalen you also Indianapolis and Athletic Director Fred. Glasses retiring at the end of the year so there will be a vacancy at. Iu also told have helped. That's my big. My Dad just like sits in the Y'all Mike like my dad was athletic director his whole career. He's got experience he just sits in the office and bitches about. It doesn't do anything except complain. Archie has to go watch tape with your dad after they. That's it's like goes undefeated. Because he doesn't want to watch the day with no not after they lose. Its after they win. All the problems archie one by twenty. But here's is my proud. Look at this you know who has ties Indiana who now lives in Bloomington. This is a true thing. Bob Knight Bring Bobby Listen Bloomington. Where's Dickie the right now because this is the greatest this is he would be all in for this? I cannot believe the Bob Knight lives in Bloomington. That is a real thing that This man like our joy. Talk about burning bridges. Bob Knight like dropped a nuke on the entire state of Indian on his way out the door and just at first it was like screw the administration Shen and the the Indiana fans were like. Yes Bobby we agree with you. They should not have fired. You and then he's like screw. The university and the fans are like a little still and he's also screw the fans originally. What the hell? And he just screw the state of Indiana. It's three strikes. Yeah he went for like fifteen after the three and the thing. That's funny about it. Is that like if he were to be announced as the Athletic Director of Indiana people would love it if you like Mag Brown Combat Carolina Bob and then he pulled the Popovich names himself coach. Yes and then. He's back What's his name from Wisconsin Berry Alvarez Right? He always does that. He's always liked the and then they need someone for a bowl game. He's like I got all seriousness My sources that the same sources that you get from your PAC twelve circles my sources which is basically dislike. My friends friends is still living. Indiana are telling me that They truly believe that Bob night's GonNa come back to a game at some point and of course this year next year. They're going to get because like what is again adoration again. The man has like there will never be a more burning of a bridge on the way out the door the Bob night when he left I you and now this man really might be at a game. Some here's a dove is thing he'd do go the middle of the Court and then Bernard Jersey Lebron style that would be. That would be salt in the wounds that would be. That'd be our coach. Come on the pod bobby. All right right that's it. That's a show We will be in Vegas on. You're going early though. I'm going Thursday night. You'RE GONNA be there Friday. We get practice access. I'M GONNA go. Oh Su- Friday. Ask some questions. Should we do Friday's should we do Friday. Show Saturday after the game. Yes let's do that. Let's just let's do. Yeah because knowing yes we will no no more no more we will know if may cronin has your win. These Carolina bag is Ohio state on top. Yes Kentucky Right Right. There's still a lot of basketball left to be played basketball. Play out before predicting I'm tired of predict I think that's a good thing because I think I think this is is going to officially be the death of Carolina and I'm going to say that every show I think I think I'm always going to be like well Carolina's officially dead now and I'm GonNa be like what. LA is still def. Yeah okay. So here's the plan we're we're GONNA do instead of a show Friday. We're going to do it Saturday after we're GonNa do it from Vegas after we witness whatever it is we witness yes And then and next week the week of Christmas we are going to run our I you Duke We're GONNA watch that game and onto Tuesday. Yeah we'RE GONNA run on on Christmas Eve or Christmas present to the people two thousand to IU versus Duke Sweet Sixteen game which is is the greatest game I've ever attended in my life and an will be my favorite college basketball game ever played ever played so We're we're going to do that. That's the plan and then we're going to do. We're going to throw in an all decade thing at some point will do that as as well. But that's that's the housekeeping right now so we'll be back Saturday live from Las Vegas like most people will take from top golf we'll see all right et cetera. This is my first not coach. You know I've said this is my old. No Gee this is hilarious. That's sowed started Okay all right so. CBS CLASSIC CBS Sports Classic. 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"It getting knocked down on the football field makes you tough. But getting back up makes you tougher at Goodyear, we call that determination a willingness to put in more hours more reps and more of heart to reach a bar that sky high because the Goodyear blimp doesn't show up for just anybody. So don't be just anybody the blimp worthy. Good here. More driven. This program is brought to you by ice cold Dr Pepper, the official drink of fans. This is campus conversation now, here's your host match. Schick, we'll heart is on the punt at the twenty one yard line to all right? Pay hill. Awakes? There's the snap coming. And it's it's up in the thirty five yard line. And it is recovered. Touchdown Ohio State. Face the marquess this year for that call as Ohio State reportedly got a very important win over the weekend. Welcome to campus conversation. I'm at Schick Peter burns Jay Trotter along for the ride today. Not a lot to talk about today. We're going to do our best to fill the time. Peter. So you ready for this? Let's do our mount Rushmore of college football, topics. I think that would be good in mascot fights. I wanna get mascot fights in there as well to we could squeeze that into. Yes. Yeah. I think those are those are treetop evergreen stories. I think we need today. Because there Jake drought has informed us that he is busy trying to file a story. Jake. You're gonna make time for us today. Are we going to have to just check in with you less frequently than usual? I'm I'm an excellent multitasker. So I can talk to UTD guys in right? The story at the same time. I have three kids in laws to do. Oh, Heather's with us. Heather. Guy. That's right. Yeah. Exactly. You're really, the smartest of all of us. Who is she was she we're hearing replace all three of us. All right. We got a few things. A lot of bleep to do is is Heather would say, some coaching news playoff implications. And all that let's get out of the tone. Time did come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. I've been told that we cannot play this song because it would cost us a gazillion dollars doings. Thank you. Josh if Peter do you could you see are we allowed to sing the song? Peter do you have? But the MAC return. The MAC join. Yes, or no, no. I think I think we got it all as like my high school team song right here. Return to the MAC. Well done Trotter. The good news is that was sung poorly enough that we're no risk of being sued will not get sued. There is an incognito version of it. No one will actually Mark Morris sitting there. So reports are out by the time. You listen to this podcast press conference may have already happened, but the Charlotte observer and other media reporting the Mack Brown who earlier this year was inducted into the college football hall of fame is returning to the sidelines at returning to North Carolina. Sixty seven years old he'll be sixty eight by the time next season kicks off spent ten years at UNC the last year coming in nineteen Ninety-seven when they had a top ten finish. Then of course, he coached Texas led the longhorns to a national championship and other BCS title game appearance in oh nine and then his final four years went thirty and twenty one before resigning after the two thousand thirteen season. So Peter, I think the the obvious question is MAC is back is that wack. That's that's actually whack. That's even the the rapid. You just had the rhyme is even worse than me seeing Martin Morrison's return of the Mack. But listen, I I was told this about two months ago, not from MAC himself. It's someone close to it going. Hey, listen, if it comes available Mexican go after the job, and it didn't really shock me. And I never rain with it. Because that's not that's Jake Trotter. And those guys job, right? I'm just I'm just a lowly fun guy on radio. It doesn't shock me at all. And for North Carolina. You're looking for some stability to that program. And you're looking for a guy that really wants that job and guys what did we say this whole off season? Oh my goodness. Herm edwards. Are you kidding me? He got Arizona state shop. This guy has a coach in a decade. Well Herm Edwards has had a little success. It's not college football playoff. But there is success there in his first year. So if. Edwards can have success in college football after coaching college football or basically in thirty years and even coaching football a decade MAC and have success in North Carolina after being out of the game for just five years. Right. Jay, absolutely an in. I know from the Texas perspective. I don't think the fans there ever truly gave MAC is do. I mean, this is the guy who won a national championship in five day dynasty in USC. And then in two thousand nine you guys might disagree with a Colt McCoy doesn't get hurt. They may be win a second national championship. Don't Texas was relevant basically during the entire span. Amac Brown's tenure there, and they have not been relevant until this year said so I yeah. Everyb- I actually of thought listen, if you're Arizona state, you've got to, you know, with all, you know, all all apologies to Matt Barry, you've got to you've got to roll the dice. I mean, you've got to try something because you're not USC. You're not Oregon. You're not even Washington. And I think. That that's why I didn't have promised to harm Edwards higher. Even though it was outside the box of trying something new and listen MAC, did it there North Carolina before and if he gets the right coordinators there, I think that they have a chance to be relevant pretty quickly against Schick. Let me ask you this better. Coach overall Mack Brown or Bill Snyder. Oh gosh of well right now Bill Snyder simply because he's actually coaching. But I get your point. I mean, he just took the easy way out. But you know, what I'm saying? Right. I mean, you know, what I'm saying? I trust Mack Brown to run a program better at this state that I do the do Bill Snyder. But even going back five years ago Bill Snyder was able to get a team that was sitting there at Ford seven five and six seven six in building up in twenty eleven to ten in three and eleven in to why can't MAC do the same thing at North Carolina in a division. That's an absolute dumpster fire. I think the point is fair, and yeah, Ron the Ron prince air at Kansas state needed a little rescue job. And so they bring in the the guy who knows how to win there and Bill Schneider, and and bring it back up to to a manageable spot a respectable spot. And some would say it's it's time for Bill Schneider to leave. That's another story for another podcast. But when it comes to Mack Brown, gay, you you you can't take. The coach out of the man he's re turning though familiar place to place he knows how to win. Now. A lot is changed in twenty one years. And you think about it? You got him in ROY Williams on campus now combined for four national titles and a combined age at one thirty five ROY sixty eight max v sixty eight next year. But it's it's interesting. And I think Jake you hit on it. It comes down to two coordinators look at when you're that age less miles at Kansas. You're that age you gotta have some guys around you that that can really get the job done. And I think what we saw Jake with Mack Brown the way that tenure ended at Texas is he was that CEO type. And I think he will continue to do that here. He's not going to be staying at his till midnight. He's not gonna be getting their four AM. He's not going to sleep there. There's going to be other Joe guys doing a lot of heavy lifting for him. And that's what it's going to come down to. I I'm really fascinated to see who he would bring in there for for coordinators and assistance. He's obviously well connected. Just a matter. Who wants to come on board here? Jay, do I text yatch Zik right now and try to say, don't you? Don't you? Find out anything. Any other room across the hall? They're legitimately. I'm sitting next to gene Chizik SEC network. And I joke around and he's like man, I'm having so much fun. Watching my kids stuff like that a college ex year. And I asked him I said, I mean North Carolina's gonna pay you what a million a half, you can't turn the down. And he just kind of smiled at me. And he just goes I love just doing television PB, and I'm close to Jisr, and he just plays his cards close to the vest. But that'd be a hell of a higher. I remember having conversations with him lengthy conversations just about the meat grinder of coaching how he's just in. This was obviously within the last year when I talked to him, but it was more about just just getting out of that. And being able to enjoy your life. And he he's got his money. He's got his family. He's got everything he could want right now. So you do wonder what would happen there? Do you see any possibility there or other coordinators, Jake that that you think MAC would bring on in our friend Kirk bowls from the state's been throughout cliff? Kingsbury offense coordinator, which would be like grand slam higher. I don't know that that North Carolina would be able to get cliff. I mean, I think that there's gonna be a lot of NFL teams, particularly the success homes in Kansas City. They're going to be knocking on his door seeing if he'll come coach quarterbacks and call plays at the next level. I think cliff could have just about I don't agree or not pretty much any coordinator job. He wanted in the country. I mean, he seems like he's the kind of guy that would be Alabama's next offense coordinator, right something like that. But that would be I mean, if you get somebody like that, then who has had head coaching experience have you had cliff, and then he got MAC, and you've got Chizzy you got three guys that know how to be head coaches. I mean that would be an incredible coordinator head coaching situation. But I think he's got to get somebody pretty dynamic on the offensive side. Like, you guys said to carry that load that real quick just to add on that. If you're close Kingsbury, there's no better time to try. If there's if there's interest to go to the NFL. The reason why I say that I think the NFL game is changing closer to resemble the college football game cliff could go there, he can learn it. Learn a little bit of that get paid a handsome amount of money in guess, what absence makes the heart grow fonder in two or three years from now someone's going to be like may have remember when cliff kings vary. He he could call some offense in in college. We need him back and he could use that as the succession plan for Kipling's vary. That's what I would do if I was as Asian. He's like thirty seven years old. I mean, he's still really young guy even though head coach for a long time. It was the poor man's Lincoln Riley in a lot of ways. I mean, just in terms of what he's been able to do. He can also Mack to you. Can he can't Ryan Gosling can be double? He's got a lot of employment opportunities. I tell you cliff is thirty nine years old. Okay. When you think about these these recent moves, and by the way, the coaching carousel podcasts coming your way on Wednesday. So stay tuned for that here on campus conversation, but the the national championship coaches has now active championship coaches, I believe has now increased from four to six because you got less miles. And now they've got Mack Brown returning to the game. But only two schools, by the way that that have coaches at in football and basketball national championships today are Kansas and North Carolina North Carolina. And that's something assuming MAC is the coach. You got coaches age national championship coaches age sixty five and upper return of the game, less miles at Kansas, Mack, Brown, North Carolina. I can't help. But wonder if my alma mater, Colorado's thinking, gee, are we supposed to bring Bill McCartney back is that how is that? Billy Mack here quickly. The last thing on the the coaching stuff so cliff Kingsbury fired from Texas Tech lost five straight to end the season Kirby hook cut, the athletic director said we want to be elite. We've been there before we will be there. Again, you heard a lovey Smith given an extension to Illinois Klay Hilton was the big story over the weekend as well. As Lynn Swann, the director announced that he will stay as US's head coach Jake reacted to any of those if one caught your eye more surprising health and staying Kingsbury leaving. Yeah. You see we've seen with a lot of these situations by out matters and helton's. But I can't remember what the violence is exactly. But it was pretty hefty. And I wonder if things it was around twenty mil that's. That's so. Throw a lot of money by we we don't have enough money to pay the players, but we can pay you know, Gus malzahn, thirty four million dollars to not coach, you know, something like that. And the podcast just extended by forty five minutes. I, you know, Texas Tech really had some bad luck this year that was a team that was five into they had just beaten Oklahoma state on the road TCU on the road. They had a kid named Alan Bowman who was one of the two or three top freshman quarterbacks. True freshman quarterbacks in the country and then Bowman has the collapsed lung injury, and they just kinda fall apart from there never really found their footing regain their footing. Authencity the defense. You know, just kinda wilted a little bit at times against you know, big twelve offenses, which is you know, that's just what happens in the big twelve. And and so they they really faded down the stretch. I think cliff is is a terrific coach terrific offense of mine. But you know, if you're five hundred year after year after year, you know, I think they were gonna have a hard time galvanized into fan base after the way the season ended. So I understand like Texas Tech felt like they had to make a move. But. I do think like we said earlier that Kingsbury still has an incredibly bright future. And it would not stunned me if within five years he's head coach somewhere again. Does she one of my fair not one of my lasting images of cliff kings? Various having a Heisman Trophy winner on his roster and not allowing him to stay at the quarterback position. In terms in any act. The homes, and then he had my hand films. Yes. Yes. So it's not like I mean Mayfield leaves Mahomes steps in in two thousand fourteen and and they want a bunch of games. But you see kind of the limit their Texas Tech. I mean, there's even in you window and talk about Mike Leach being interested. Dana Hoeger Sohn being interested in that Texas Tech job. So by the way, Mike leads told us told Joel Anderson last night, he's not he's not interested in the job. And I I talked to somebody pretty pretty close today. And it said, it would doubt that seems crazy that he would leave West Virginia for Texas Tech. So. Happen. But, you know, this is always the carousel is always crazy. But I just one of those are hoping for Tennessee type dumpster fire coaching search. I want us. What do you do that to chaos like I liked it? Ohio State Michigan. Because now we have a little chaos, and I'm sure we're going to get into that. But I I want I want people marching through the streets. I want there to be looking at flight aware trackers. I mean, this is it's college football coaching season by second favourite season than all of sports. It's great at USC will not be a part of that. Again. They extended him recently Lynn Swann did. And then decided to keep him here after a bad season. I actually think with Klay Hilton. It's probably the right thing to do in terms of keeping him the fan base doesn't like it. But with no president hefty buyout and two successful seasons. At least in terms of hardware. The last two years. It's probably the right thing to do. And for a good, man. I'm just not sure if he'll be able to turn this the negative momentum around with the program. So next season. He's obviously going in there with some flames under the key stir there in terms of the wattage of the seat. All right. Let's get it too. By the way, the flames. I want to start by minor league baseball team name of we're gonna cheat. He could keep her flames. We're changing it from who's on the hot seat who's got the Kista flames. And I think that's the way to do it so pay attention. Keep your eye out for the carousel. Coaching care so podcast coming your way on Wednesday. With a lot of will connected folks there on that pod. Hope you listen to Wednesday's podcast last week Brad, Adam and myself, we talked about how why everything was pointing to Michigan beating Ohio State, and that that was the reason why something bizarre was going to happen. And I think it did sixteen point lead start at the twenty two yard live jet. Sweep Campbell out to the far Whiteside. Thirty forty. Sideline. Shifty forty forty touchdown Harris Campbell on a seventy eight yard score. The laughter in the background. Yeah. No doubt. It was a comedy at one point is they just blew them out sixty two to thirty nine. Thanks to marquess. Sure. And ESPN radio. It's funny. Usually when a team puts up sixty two you make a joke. The next day. Hey quarterback. Just threw another touchdown pass you while we were talking on Sunday. It wasn't a joke because they updated the box score on Sunday Dwayne Haskins. Threw another touchdown pass against Michigan that seventy eight yarder that you heard it was run by Peres Campbell. It's actually been credited as a pass shovel pass from Haskins not a hand off. So he did throw six touchdowns in the sixty two to thirty nine win forty two touchdown passes in a single season. That is a new big ten single season record at Jake. We'll start with you did the win. Tell us more about what Michigan was not or what Ojo state is. I think it told us two things one with Ohio State when they they have the talent when they put it together. They're one of the best teams in the country. And it was so frustrating watching the buckeyes this year, you could see it in flashes. But for the most part, especially around that Purdue game moving forward, they just could not put it together. And so it's kind of like twenty fourteen if this team gets into into the playoff with Haskins the plane the way he is. And that offense they have a chance to be really dangerous on the flip side. You you look at the Michigan defense. So then you kind of go back and say, okay, what quarterbacks did they face this year? Well, they didn't face in book when they faced McSorley sorely. He was banged up from the Iowa game that week before. And I think that pass defense proved to be a little bit of a paper tiger. I saw somebody tweet during that game. What if Michigan was in the big twelve would we be talking about that vaunted pass defense because they finally faced a real office with a healthy quarterback. And they got absolutely lit up. It's hard to believe that. Oklahoma and West Virginia and teams like that one of also lit up Michigan as well at what point I mean guys is a rivalry really rivalry. If one side wins all the time at what point Michigan fans stand for this just getting beat down by state every year. It's embarrassing for Michigan right now. And that was the biggest embarrassment of of the mall because they had the better team on paper going into that game. I expressed to the guys on ESPN radio game day before the game Saturday that my biggest concern if I was Michigan was just not just the mental stuff about mental hurdle about getting over the hump against Ohio State. But was that the buckeyes had a lot of speed on offense? And I didn't know if Michigan could could match that. And they look like a bunch of plotters out there. I mean the game plan. Peter was simply to hand it off run into the pile up the middle and see what happens and nothing happened. Michigan was chasing points chasing buckeyes, and it was a five point game in the third and then a blocked punt change changed everything. Well, it they look tight from from from the opening kickoff. Michigan looked like. The tighter team. And even though that they had a lot of success. I mean, Ohio State ended up treating Michigan like Purdue treated, Ohio State. It was an absolute drubbing. And again, I mean Jake to talk about that a my question does like when when urban Meyer fills out his taxes does he has to claim Jim Harbaugh on at this point. Is that how this works? I'm being like, it's an absolute own aj- in weekend and week out year in and year out you hear it the, hey, Jim Harbaugh. This is this is going to be the year. And listen, he's a good coach. I'm never going to discredit the fact that he what he's done. There is not good. He's just not great not getting it to that point. Mark. Rick was a very good coach. I don't know if he was great in. That's what Harbaugh is going to have to deal with. And now it opens up a real pen doors box for the college football playoff guys because this would have been easy, Alabama beach Georgia and you just chalk winning with Notre Dame already. Cruise and by USC late into that game. I got a little bit closer late. Thanks for the late cover their USC. Jeez. I will say this. The the committee could have showed up on Tuesday at Michigan won that game and been like well, pretty easy. Let's just get cookies and get our hotel points and leave. Now, it's the debate starts, Ohio State or Oklahoma. Which is what I consider the lesser of the two evils because we both know that they're good. But they both have a lot of flaws as well guys. Yeah. And we were we were waiting for Ohio State to fulfill its potential, and and but unless unless Texas beats Oklahoma, I think it's going to be too little too late for the buckeyes Ohio State Ohio State needed to play Michigan three weeks ago. They needed this. I mean, a hat tip to the buckeyes. There's recent bias though there. You're absolutely is recently bias, and that was that's the best win that much better than any big win that Oklahoma is clear. There's no question. They have the best win. They also have the worst loss. No doubt. How do you do that? I mean to me the eleven game sample size. You wanna talk about the significance of a season. Or you wanna talk about the significance of a game. And for a majority of the season. We didn't see a playoff caliber team. We saw team that needed their punter to be the MVP against Michigan state. We saw team that beat a foreign eight Nebraska. One score of five and seven Maryland by one point and lost to a six and sixteen by twenty nine and look they got up for Michigan. And that was great. It was a game. They had circled and with Leonard ends crossed out all over campus. A team that had a revenge tour and a player who guaranteed a win against in your on your home field. And you hammered great the question now is what will the committee do for the team that has right now the best win in the worst loss. Jake among the playoff contenders. Well, and it's not just you look at Ohio State. They haven't been win over Michigan. Which which as you said is the best win between Oklahoma state. It's the best win. But after that, what's what's Ohio states next? Best win. I guess Penn State which is a good win. And then that's a really good win. Today. Have another top twenty five victory guys. I looked this up earlier today. Okay. Oklahoma and Ohio State. Both have three wins. Three wins on their entire scheduled this year against a team with a winning record. Three wins. That's that's it. That's it the entire season. They have they have feasted upon it. And but yet because of that that's why they find themselves in the college football playoff situation right now. That's amazing to me. I'm looking at. I'm looking at this. That's an amazing stat. 'cause there are a lot of six and sixteen in the big twelve and and you know, the best non conference win between the two is like army. Maybe yes, you could probably TCU at the time. But with that. Yeah. With that turned out to be that'd be again. Yeah. But that's not the way committee looks at it. They look at it. What the question? Here's here's the deal. If you're if you're looking at it guys about what team as far as you looking for the best four teams regardless of record and whatnot. Are you looking for the team that deserves to be there? And that's that's the big question that that room has to the Cy because I could easily argue right now the second best team in all of college football, Georgia BULLDOGS. And even if they if they would lose you could sit there and compare that resume versus Oklahoma and Ohio State as far as the eye tests on the best teams. I'd put put Georgia's there right with Oklahoma in in in Ohio State. The committee is absolutely pulling for Georgia over Alabama in the reason why I say that because then they don't have to worry about a schizophrenic Ohio State team and a team that's allergic to playing defense in Oklahoma. They could just say Alabama. You got one loss. You're in Georgia. You won the SEC you're in Clemson Notre Dame. Here's the final four. Let's roll on cliffside. If we're looking for an eighteen playoff. Let's say Georgia does beat Alabama and Ohio State in Alabama. Both get left out. We'd have in eighteen playoff by like one February. Well, here's the thing on the Sheree on the finebaum show to Peter. Peter is Peter is correct in that if Georgia beats Alabama, it's a layup for the committee where you probably go Georgia to bam it three. And that allows you to not have all SEC championship national championship game. And you don't have to worry about Ohio State and Oklahoma and that argument because you have very deserving teams. I mean, I look I would is it back clear cut is it that clear cut that it's Alabama over Oklahoma, Ohio State. It's not even close. It's not unless unless it's Cumberland gap two hundred and twenty six to nothing in the championship game. Absolutely. You can't say that only two teams in college football history since nineteen thirty six have won every single one of their twelve game. By twenty points or more. That was seventy one Nebraska they won the title twenty thirteen FSU. If Alabama loses that game to what we consider probably the team that's gonna be ranked number four in the college football playoff ranking as long as they didn't lose by fifty the Alabama thirty five thirty five let's say Georgia wins thirty five to ten you'd think it still Alabama. Absolutely. I think that brings zero I think that brings it brings it into question. Are you flipping kidding me? Thirty five to ten. You're talking about Alabama losing the SEC championship game by twenty five points to a Georgia team would be a worse loss than losing by twenty nine to a Perdue team known which Ohio saying that's not you're missing the point. It's not about worse loss. It's not about that at all what that is is becoming more comparable to other one loss teams that now have conference championships can tell me right now that you use commonsense. You can tell me a one loss Alabama a one loss, Ohio State and a one loss Oklahoma who would be favored by fourteen points at every one of those matchups Alabama could lose by seventy and still be favored over any team in college football favored by Georgia. Even if they got they favored again. If we if we went that route, look, we'll go down the rabbit hole and a little bit. But I think the playoff let's think about this Tuesday night. I that the college football playoff committee already had Oklahoma at six, I know there are folks out there who are putting Ohio State there now at five because of that because of that win, but the committee already had Oklahoma. It's six and Ohio State at ten that was knowing what Oklahoma was already the committee didn't watch the West Virginia game and think what is what is this? They knew what the Sooners were already and the Sooners go in the Morgantown a place that is incredibly difficult to win score two defensive touchdowns and scored enough to win was it pretty on defense. It's never going to be the metrics are terrible for the Sooners. But I do believe the committee is going to have Oklahoma five Ohio State at six, and if that is the case. This. This penultimate ranking is the most important penultimate ranking that we've seen from the committee because if it is the case that Oklahoma's at five and a high of states at six it is reasonable to assume that all Oklahoma has to do is beat Texas and the rid they're facing a better opponent with better talent, Oklahoma is win. And you're in if that happens, assuming Bama takes care of business. Am I wrong on that? I think that ultimately the difference between the two's get a be Oklahoma. Which assume they beat Texas that they lost by field goal to a top fifteen team and a rivalry game and Ohio State lost by how many police was it to produce thirty twenty eight twenty nine they lost by twenty nine points to Purdue. I think ultimately that's going to Trump the debate. Don't you guys it's hard? But it's already factored into it would already be right in Tuesday night. It's the pious can't make up for it by beating northwestern. Correct. Especially though you played a better opponent in. The big chill. I think and I remember last year guys. And correct me if I'm wrong what kept Ohio State out of it last year was the bad loss. Right. It was also the second loss the second loss, and that's fair. All things considered. If you want to like, you said she look at the entire season not just one game or recency bias, you have to look at it and go. Hey coin flip goes either way Oklahoma wins that game. It ain't a coin flip between Ohio State and Purdue that was that a coin flip game that was that was a drubbing. And I think that there is a that would be part to it. I almost and I'm just throwing this out there. And I don't know. This would be the case. In is there anything in the back of the mind that people just don't like the way urban handled in Ohio State has had their issues off the field that would even come in. And just going. You know, what some of those guys in that committee? They've been around college football for a long time at day just this. They don't like it and push comes to shove. It's a whole lot easier to like Lincoln Riley than it is to like urban Meyer and Ohio State. It might be something in the back of your mind about that. I think it's more about if there was anything like that Ohio State has really done nothing to make you forget about that stuff throughout the course of the season. Just like they haven't made you forget about the loss to Purdue except with the win over over Michigan. The Fetig win over Michigan. This is. Trying to think as we're talking here. This is like your worst high school relationship like the media got it to a relationship with Ohio State and expected something at the beginning of the year. Instead, we were treated poorly taken for granted than the buckeyes absolutely betrayed us against Purdue. And then they tried to win back by simply going through the motions against Minnesota Nebraska in Maryland with some flowers every now, and then and then they bought us this diamond ring with the win over Michigan going Valentine's Day was the greatest thing. And I'm thinking, yeah, that's beautiful. But I remember seeing you with Purdue Pete. And that image is still with me. I I looked at your cell phone and all the texts were deleted. Joe basically knowledge in this analogy is to add an affair with Purdue. That's right. Yeah. That's the PC way. Well, I got one way of saying it, and I can't say on the you can't do that. You can't do that. But it's I that twenty nine point loss of still hanging over them. And I think that's why could be dead wrong on this. But I think that's why Oklahoma is going to be five and you're going to see Ohio State at six and Ohio state's gonna need Oklahoma loose, Texas and rakes your Bama beach, Georgia. I think let me ask you. Let me ask you this question guys. Do we think let's let's work this way. Do we think Alabama beat Georgia in the SEC championship game? Yes. Yes. I know we're gonna go with this yet. Right. So if you're Alabama in Dixie what would ever say that? But let's look at it from that way, which team possesses a more difficult game for Alabama. Not that the committee would look at that. I'm just talking about it from a sheer college football fan that you are listening to this podcast in which all three of us. Are what game do you wanna see more? That's a gain Alabama. State or Alabama versus Oklahoma. It's without question column. Rivers alabama. His not beginning four of the wrong. Here's here's what here's your saying. The is state as a game. Absolutely. It would be Ohio State if it's eight if it's a game I want to if if it's if you want a competitive game, you give me Alabama, Ohio State. You give me an exciting game. It's Alabama Oklahoma. I would say this that I don't know that either one competitive but go, yes. Yeah. I think Alabama would beat Oklahoma sixty five to thirty five. I think I think Alabama would beat Ohio State forty one to seventeen or forty one to fourteen something like that. I I'm with you. And that I think Ohio State would probably give Alabama a better game. But I think I'd put Oklahoma above Ohio State like it's just it's just it's just weird, right? Arguably the best player in the country. Okay. Arguably. Against the best team in the country. And that is something to watch. And I love who. I'd love you to others Cuyler clearly d two best players in the country going off against one. Another would be I think it'd be a blast. I think it'd be one of the highest rated playoff games that we've ever seen. I think there'd be a ton of hype going into that one and zero now Alabama would score seventy. Listen, if there's anybody that can put up a lot of points on Alabama, Oklahoma's it, and I think Alabama you would feel pretty confident that you could dominate offensively. But that would be the game maybe of any of them that would be a little bit scary because Keiler is capable of doing some pretty incredible stuff. I would it would be an absolute must watch. But when you're the hundred and twenty seventh pass defense in Kansas was able to score forty against you. My got two of them. I have to have Tommy John surgery after throwing so many passes and touchdown passes. Like they wouldn't have to pass. They just hand off and run for thirty yards. Right. Like, Georgia Dylan's here. So Ohio State is in this odd position where they not only have to root for Tom Herman this weekend. But also Nick Sabin. Also you mix. That is that is awkward think about how painful that's going to be this weekend for what Ohio states win over. Michigan did do as well as it. Locked up a spot for Alabama in the playoff because of Michigan had one in Alabama loss to Georgia. I do think Michigan would have gotten over Alabama tiebreakers. But that doesn't matter now Alabama they beat Auburn therein in they can lose to Georgia. And I do think still get in. They're not gonna get thumped if they do lose to Georgia. But last thing on this Georgia to me is the third best team in the country. I felt that since the win for the last couple of weeks, but the committee is going to have them at four if Georgia plays Alabama close single digits or even within two touchdowns which would be their closest margin for Alabama all season wouldn't that simply confirm that Georgia is still a top four team. Because in my in my mind, I'm having a hard time wanting to punish Georgia for being in the same league as Alabama. It'd be more about just. That second loss. And I still think Georgia's a top four team could you is there any scenario where you could see them taking a two loss Georgia you'd have. Eating writer clone your loss. That's it. And I think you hit on I think that's it thirty six sixteen. Yeah. I mean, that's it Jim in Georgia would only have themselves to blame because they ran the ball. And that's second second drive against LSU down their throat. They tried to fake a field goal in inexplicably. After that. They went away from the run and that will haunt him. Because again, just like the Purdue game behind Ohio State in in Iowa last year a hundred zero state that LSU lost. Because then if we're talking it kills it. Because then if you're talking about the best four teams, there's no doubt in my mind. If that game is close between Alabama and Georgia Georgia's gotten better weekend and week houses that LSU law. They are one of the top four teams that have probably the least amount of concerns about them versus Oklahoma's defense in the schizophrenia of Ohio State, if I'm Greg Sankey I ask Nick Sabin to allow Georgia to kick in early field goal. Then have them all take knees. The rest of the game. So final scores. Three nothing. You're offering efficiency metrics a group stage World Cup resulting right? Sure. Your defensive efficiency numbers would go through the roof. Your offense numbers would take a hit. But you get teams in the playoffs. Last thing. Here you talked about deserving. Notre Dame beats USC by touchdown twelve and a great season for Notre Dame, captain obvious there, here's Brian Kelly on whether or not his team is one of the four best in the country. I think the way we played consistently to win all of our games against. I think four top twenty five teams, you know, to win every week and the schedule that we play. I mean, we just weren't LA this week. I think we're like an on Broadway show, we open up in a city near you. We were in New York last week, Chicago, San Diego travel affects people, and it doesn't affect us group. So if you give us a little bit of arrests and allow us to play hidden coach you'll site. I think we'll play them. Better like that Broadway show comment. He he said that right after the game on TV. He said it the presser he obviously got that talking point from somebody. So way to go is if it's not that one Brian Kelly's partially his decision on where these guys play. And it's smart. It's smart good for recruiting good for everything especially if you win Notre Dame's gonna be in. It's not a question. It's just it's silly to even talk about that. But here's the perception question is Notre Dame, Jake one of the four best teams or one of the four most deserving teams when it's all said and done I think probably both. Okay. I think we could debate whether they're one of the four best. But I mean, you go you go twelve no schedule wasn't quite as tough as maybe we thought maybe for the season, but still pretty good. They still beat Michigan. They beat Syracuse. Northwestern U USC. I mean, that's that's solid enough. And you go undefeated. I think I think they're in. My question is if that's if Washington state plays that same exact schedule and has the same results. Are we looking at it the same and I? The matters. No. But I mean, but you're twelve and all your urine. I agree. The question is if let's say it was like, let's say Minnesota was was was where high state is in run TCU is where oh you is. Then I think Georgia would have a legitimate chance to get in with lost Alabama because the logo on the helmet, people can say, whatever they want it matters in that room, in my opinion. Feliks put out something he talked about this last week on his podcast about comparing the two thousand twelve Notre Dame team. And this Notre Dame team and that yeah. Just it feels different, but metrically it's very close strength of schedule slightly worse. FBI ranked two slots worse fifth and twenty twelve seventh here strength of record. I in two thousand twelve second strength record here. Ofensive metrics about the same defense about the same game control roughly the same. So it'd be interesting to see once they get into the playoff, Peter. I know where you stand on that what might happen here to Notre Dame getting into the playoffs. But what the most interesting thing will be depending on what happens with Georgia and Alabama. If you're Notre Dame, you are rooting for Alabama because you want that three spot, and you don't wanna play Alabama right away. No one. That's that's why that's why you heard Dez arguing about Michigan over Notre Dame over the weekend. It's like listen. We don't want that four by. It's gotta be you know, there's one scenario we haven't talked about, and it's probably not very plausible at all. But what if my boys from Pitt? They get they get that. They get that jet sweep game going, and they somehow be Clemson. Nobody's talking about that. Yeah. Because it's not going to happen. But that's but again, but I remember Pittsburgh West Virginia in two thousand seven nobody said that was gonna happen, right? Yeah. What does that five field goals? Does that change does that really change anything? And I think that Clemson at one point the ESPN football power index actually last week of mistaken had them, quote unquote, ranked higher than Alabama which was kind of laughable, but still at least close enough that they have passed that test. They would still be in your question, Mark, and you're up tone at the end of the question is correct. Because I don't think they I who is who is Clemson win guys. It's texas. Which is one third or fourth best team in the SEC. Alabama crushed Clemson. I think is in a spot where they need to win to get in which is odd to say because it would just be a bad. Just a terrible loss on a neutral field on Ohio State loses Texas wins in Pittsburgh. Jeff is smiling at that point UCS like come on. Now. Let's it'd be it'd be then it would be a two loss. Georgia would would be. Yeah. Be something. Like that. We got a walk odds extra points and more to get to. But I make sure to tune into my new favorite TV show fans. Ville it's presented by Dr Pepper airing every Saturday throughout the college football season during the commercials fans. Feel the only show that stars Dr Pepper puts the spotlight on fans and perfectly captures the emotional roller coaster. That is the college football season. Critics are saying it's good fantastic. And is anyone else thirsty? And literally the best thing since diet Dr Pepper and Dr Pepper cherry in fans. 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So I would say Notre Dame is in the hunts in by that. I mean, they already virtual lock at this point. They finished an undefeated regular season there ninety nine percent or even greater than any nine percent chance to make the playoffs Gordon to play out predictor. Congratulations to the Irish their Clemson is in incredibly good shape as well. There ninety six percent chance to make the playoff. Oh. And guess what? They play pit this weekend. In the ACC championship game. And they had ninety six percent chance to win that game. Which means so those are very well correlated to basically means that Clemson has a shot to miss the playoff. According to plan for digger were they to lose that game. But I would say with ninety six percent chance. It's it's unlikely at this point. Yeah, I like their chances so to speak against Pitt because Clemson coming off its worst defensive performance of the year against a pit offense. Couldn't scoring it's Miami. That's that's not a good matchup for the Panthers. No, it is not and. Okay. So let's talk about the next team. Of course, Alabama there. Eighty two percent chance. All that remains. There is a tough match-up against Georgia believe it or not. That's only a sixty four percent chance for Alabama to win that game. Georgia FBI, really likes Georgia. Yeah. FBI love Georgia. As is the third best team in the country. Not Notre Dame is Georgia is considered number three by FBI. And once again, Matt your percentages suggest that there's. There's more to the story than just Alabama needing to win this game. Yeah. Alabama can make it if even if they lose this game, depending on the results of other games. So they have some they have some wiggle room. But I'm pretty sure they'd like to just take care of business on Saturday. And of course, Georgia is involved there at thirty nine percent chance. Now, they would like to beat Alabama. Of course, I think that would almost guarantee them a spot and they play off. But according to the plan predictor, they would also have a chance with the laws were a bunch of things to go their way. So they need a little more help. And the thirty nine percent is just above thirty six percent chance to actually beat Alabama in this game. But they need to they need to it's going to be a tough task for them against Alabama. And finally the big question and everyone's talking about it, obviously, Ohio State and Oklahoma. And according to plan of predictor, Ohio State is just above Oklahoma in terms of their chance to make the. Right now, it's a forty eight percent for Ohio State and thirty three Oklahoma part of that is because Oklahoma as a tougher matchup coming up. They're only a Seventy-three percent chance to be Texas, whereas hostels and eighty four percent chance to beat northwestern. But at this point, Ohio State is given the leg up. Now if they both went out. It's really a coin flip depending on how things play out primarily because the strength of record. It's Ohio State slightly over Oklahoma. According to plan on predictor. Yes. So do points that are very important for people to understand here. Number one is playoff predictor is projecting to Sunday. This is not it has nothing to do with what the rankings may. Or may not look like on Tuesday night. The other part of this is that that's not a big difference, percentage wise, Matt, and you, and you mentioned that the the slight difference right now part of that is that F B I gives Ohio State of better chance to win this weekend than Oklahoma. But as you said, even if they both win there's still a very slight edge to the buckeyes, but it's closer to being a coin flip. So I know people have a hard time with percentages and understanding that favorite does not mean lock, you know. And so in this case FBI is giving a slight lean toward the buckeyes. But it is by no means. Saying Ohio State is absolutely the pick. If both teams win. All right. Switching from playoff related to Heisman related met. One more metric story that I want to get to before we wrap up here is total QBR which all season long. It has been to a tongue of I lo- of Alabama at number one. And now the very slimmest of margins. He has been passed by Kyle Murray. Both of them had great games this past weekend. In fact, a lot of people thought there was great pressure onto to respond after the game. And really the month that collar Murray had in November in did that five touchdown passes. Another touchdown rushing against Auburn on Saturday. But it wasn't enough. Collar Murray did pass him and QBR for the first time this year. Yes. That is right. Cala Murray at ninety six point one to is at ninety five point nine, so it's an incredibly close margin. There. The fact is this these these numbers are. Historic. If we go back and look now, they each have a few games to play, of course, and presumably against very difficult opponents, but if they could maintain that they're going to be a head. They're going to both break the all time single season QBR record the head of guys. Like Russell Wilson. Andrew luck. Baker Mayfield in previous years. So ninety six one thousand five nine we still have a long way to go. But yes, this is a race. The Heisman voters are probably not paying too much attention to it. But it is certainly a fun one down the stretch. And speaking of fun down the stretch, we got some games worth watching on Saturday, and maybe more so than we thought we would have and it's gonna be a fun one. But we got a few more days if you more podcast to get through before we get to that point. But for now he's Matt Morrison I'm Brian Edwards. Thanks for listening to us talk. Nerdy to you. Now back to the conversation pedal. 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This stuff why nationally I think that I mean, let's look at last year did Georgia beat Oklahoma because the defensive because because they sort fifty four points ended Alabama beat Georgia because of great defense or because to came into the game in and made a bunch of plays. I think that defense to a degree still wins championships. But his Michigan. Show this weekend. You've gotta have you've got to have some big time offense to compliment it. It's not enough to just have a great defense and the other semi-final last year. Clemson great defense. What did they not have often? So I think you've got to have both. And if you were going to pick one of the two guys. I think we're trending toward off at great office. Feeding great defense. What do you guys think at both levels of football college? And pro that's the cycle. We're in right now. No doubt. Yeah. Went in that one. Yes, man, next one's prix from berry Alvarado at Los under album Alvarado Albert garner account. It's very. Matt berry says if the college football playoff expanded and guaranteed the top rank group of five school a spot. Do you think it would close the talent gap in recruiting between them and the power five eventually making a conference like the American talented enough to consider actually having it be a power six conference? That's a really good question. Barry Alvarez, they're Alvarado. I think I think it would close the talent gap between group of five and some of the lower level power five and mid tier power five certainly not top ten power five you're not recruiting out of the same cool for those elite level programs. But this is one of this is one of the reasons that I would be okay with with a cues making it to the college football plot. Because I think the greater question is how do we make this more of a national play off? Because I think that in the end is better for college football. If you want to do away with conference championship games to get the Q fine. Whatever way you can determine your best team in your league. Great because I think the more that if you were to include more conferences into the college football playoff every year all power five and a group of five I think it would help the sport. I think it would. I think knowing when you're going to school. Hey, we have a chance there's going to be one team out of this conference. That's going to the plow. I think that would help here's the bottom line with all this with the playoff is this that after this playoff. We will have had five years of the playoff and ten different teams. Thank goodness for Notre Dame this year or it would be nine different teams still with five years of the playoffs. Twenty slots ten different teams, everyone else has to do better. And I get that. But a way to allow that to happen is to get more teams involved and more teams playing for a national championship. And competing for that national championship. So look, I'm a capitalistic guy at heart. So speaking of two sides of the mouth, but I think making this a national playoff is better for the sport and involving the group of five plays into that. And I think it would help recruiting a little bit. But it would help the sport more. So, and that's what's more important finally, Peter we have this one for you from the ultimate preferred walk on coach Ben watt through. Coach underscore Ben LA says if Kevin someone had kept Cuyler Murray at Texas am would Sunlen still be coaching. The Ben wa hey, some been gays. No, he would not be. No, no, no. He would not be because I love Cuyler very, and I don't want this to be misconstrued at all kinds of areas. One of the most electric football players. I have ever seen play right there with Johnny Menzel, even more electric than. Right there with Reggie Bush. You know in five and in the stuff that he had put up with the with the Trojans. I think Conor Murray made a perfect decision to transfer and play big twelve football in a in a league in which it appears to play seven on seven arena football league, Patty cake defense, and I don't think Kyla Murray has near the success in an SEC west going up against a Mississippi State and LSU going against an Alabama or an Auburn as he would where he wins. So while there's no doubt Kevin Sunlen mismanaged the quarterback situation between cow Allen in Cuyler Murray. It was going to end one way or another. And honestly for Aggie fans. It was the best thing to ever happen. Because it led them down the road to landing JIMBO Fisher. And it was a lot of money. But that's a brighter future with JIMBO Fisher than it was Kevin someone. Good answer. I really thought you were going to say we didn't say no, then I call him Benoy like a couple of weeks ago. You did. Mmmm bring that up. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. Keep the questions coming. Good wants today. Use the hashtag walk on the extra point. All right, Jae Crowder. You got one last chance to redeem yourself from the mishap and recall, what are you? Yeah. I don't know if that's redeemable. So this Oklahoma, Texas pixel championship is historical and a lot of different ways. First time since two thousand eight when Cole McCoy Sam Bradford squared off that both teams will meet ranked in the top ten. It's also guys the first time we've had a re Red River rematch since nineteen oh three. Wow. Nineteen hundred that was four years before Oklahoma, even became a state. It was a territory at the time. So this is going to be an incredible incredible setting in Arlington, by the way, I time this games have been played outside Dallas since nineteen Twenty-three. So I love how side Dallas is the home of the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. Exactly. And I've been checking, and I don't think the golden hat trophy is going to be on the line. I think they're going to save that just for the game at the Cotton Bowl, so Oklahoma we'll have to wait until neck. To get to potentially get the golden hat back. But in the meantime, they can probably clinched a berth to the playoffs if they can if they can win this weekend, by the way, Jake. What's the story with David Batie? Former Kansas coach is he helping out Texas this week. He is he's stuck in Kansas City. I guess they have some weather up there, but he's supposed to fly to Austin in his going to as a consultant examine Texas is tendencies and signals and see if they can switch anything up to confuse Oklahoma Lincoln Riley is gonna talk here in a few minutes. I'm in Norman of interesting to see what he says to that. I don't know if they have a ringer that they can bring it as well. The ringer is David Beatty for Texas. It's your move Oklahoma. All right, Peter. What are you got mine is actually Oklahoma related as well too? I set in hang hung out with my family here in Charlotte. They were in from Baton Rouge. And we watched the Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson match. Which I thought was okay. But I loved the idea I love outside the box thinking about this pay per view match that everyone gets a chance to see. And there was gambling allowed? It was fun. In started making me think about this. Let's bring this to college football. Let's assume that Alabama beach Georgia and everybody kind of wins. Well, Vegas things. Coming up in championship. Game weakened pay per view match. I wanna see December the eighth Ohio State versus Oklahoma. Let's make it simple. Get the college football playoff committee out of it twenty nine ninety nine we'll charge. It winter goes to the college football. It's going to be the same cost as army Oklahoma. Let's go exactly let's go. I think are almost like forty nine dollars. Oh my gosh. Let's play it in Saint Louis halfway through or maybe Nashville and use it. I mean, you're talking about an idea that you could spin and would both programs take that right now. Because I think both of them are kind of wondering I wonder what happened would state in Oklahoma actually agree to it. If it was allowed let them let them answer that after Tuesday night because as a head of Ohio State, Oklahoma taken that deal. Hey, I again, I think it's going to be so close when it comes on Tuesday night. And I think both Oklahoma and Ohio State win their gained by about the same fashion. Probably by about ten to fourteen points. And at that case, December the eighth pay per view ESPN, the coach show ESPN plus charge more for it. We go winner goes to the college football playoff the ratings and the pay per view numbers with the out through the roof. I saw this idea floated on on Twitter that the playoffs should just be expanded. Depending on how many teams are worthy every year shouldn't be a set. And this would be a great play in game. Two teams expanded to five you get a play in game between Ohio State and Oklahoma on. It's on. It's on the over under one hundred twenty by the way. Because it's good. I do I want to end with this. It's a story we didn't get to. But it is we're talking about. So I'll use it in sacrifices an extra point over the weekend. We saw incredible things with the SEC. We saw ole miss and Mississippi State get into an egg bowl fight. And then we saw a little skirmish after am and LSU. It just means more. They just it just means more easy as saw you saw a seven overtime game between am and LSU might this seventy four to seventy two in a very controversial any bizarre. Adjective you want to ascribe to his probably accurate. My father said on the phone. He said, I was watching it. It was thirty four thirty one or whatever it was. And he said, and then your mom, and I watched a movie, and then we got back and in turn it on. And it was we turn it on for the two point conversion the game was still going on. It is great how we don't want to expand the playoff to increase more games. But here's a billion overtimes. For you for student health. But anyway, that was exciting. But the story coming out of LSU am is one of the more bizarre post-game skirmishes that you will see I'm gonna read from the let's see the advertiser dot com. The daily advertisers Baton Rouge advocate. They've got they've got a bunch of a bunch of stories here. But essentially what happened was after the game. And this is according to the advocate Gordy rush who's the sideline reporter for LSU radio said that after the game was over am wide receiver coach Damian Craig ran to the LSU sideline and trash talk. Now Craig spent the two thousand sixteen season as LSU's wide receiver coach under former coach les miles. He was fired or incur coach. Ed owes Ron promoted from was promoted from interim to full time Gordie rush also said the man wearing the red shirt was the one who punched Craig now who's Craig Thorpe. You might actually he's an LSU offense of analysts Steve Craig. Fifty three years old. Former head coach in the game. He was punched in the chest by credentialed man from the Texas a&m sideline. And when this happened Craig Thorpe's quotas this out of nowhere. I got nailed. I didn't go down. But I clutched over. I was like damn he got me right in my pacemaker. Then it started fluttering like he jostled it. Now, Craig Thorpe was diagnosed with Parkinson's a degenerative nervous system disorder, the former head coach at Tulsa and Louisville as well. So he's got a pacemaker and he gets punched in the chest. Now who punched him in the chest, and who got in the skirmish with Kevin Faulk, the man, according to advocate, the reading from the advocate that man has been identified by multiple sources as JIMBO Fisher's nephew. Cole who is an undergraduate football student manager am reading from the story. Don't ESPN is not confirmed that but my goodness. And there's. Video of of the guy informing JIMBO Fisher that he punched someone that's they're walking at the end of the game. It's some point. Can we just limit the number of people who are credentialed guy? Jake. You've been on the sideline before how many people are typically on the sidelines of these games like over under a billion. Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot of people. And I've had a bet they're about a lot of people were down on the sideline for the first overtime into stay there because people tend to gravitate toward the sideline at the end of games. That's a good point in boxes or in the press box, whatever so. That's a good point. So at the end of seven overtime, you had this and we'll see what happens moving forward here. But that rivalry gut ratchet up or not and Peter. Have you recovered from from that not only the post-game Frank, but the seven OT's how how I did not wake up my wife who was sleeping next bit. I had to take three different sports walks in the middle of that game. Where you just go downstairs, and you're like, I got Anita focus here. And I'm not right. I will say this though, we talk about storming the field in how cool the scene it is. And it's awesome. It gives us some of the greatest images and all of college football. And I love it. And the SEC gets a lot of hell along with the other conferences of of finding their teams that do it saying, oh, you joy sucks. I can't believe you're doing that. What happened on the field is going to happen in one of these rivalry games in it's going to it's going to escalate to a major major factor in. That's why these conferences do find these teams for for for. In the field because with college football and people being an all-time ANSI bit. You just don't wanna see situations like this, and it sucks because I hate giving up one of the best images of all the college football is when the team storms, the feel the pictures of that little fight are captivating and awful and entertaining at the same time. But we'll see what happens and how the SEC. I mean, the SEC has that in the bull stuff to kind of take care of and dice through as those regular season finale over before we go Adam written. Berg tweeting this moments ago ex Kansas coach, David Beatty will not be in Austin this week helping Texas prepare for the big twelve title game. He'll remain at his home in Kansas. He'll speak with longhorns. Coach Tom Harmon over the phone to give his thoughts on the game. But the two have talked regularly throughout the season. They're good friends. This isn't really out of the ordinary. According to what Herman said to that him written bird. Okay. Cool. Okay. Cool. Hook is the best way to end this podcast. Thank you to Peter. 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Barstool Rundown - January 13, 2020

Barstool Rundown

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Barstool Rundown - January 13, 2020

"All right it is the rundown it is fuck man. I don't know what they got. This come February not wrong month month January twentieth. A national title game off my full week. Do I have no idea I knew it. I I know any seven. Yeah I just didn't know like I knew when I said I was GONNA write up. Don't click very twenty rain out or eating at Brennan. I will be heading to Fan Fan Duel Tonight to watch an ASA championship livestream. PMT boys are out and and Louisiana watching it will get to the game in a bit but fantasy sports leagues and outlined Pennsylvania. New Jersey West Virginia Vandal. Ran An awesome new user offer this weekend the NFL division around there running it back for tonight's game we signed up Fan Dewey the Promo Code stool place a new bet. I bet twenty bucks or more on the team to cover Clemson or or else you tonight. And if they win you get another twenty bucks. For every passing touchdown they got to cover every passing touchdown. You have the right team get an initial twenty bucks. GO TO CNN dot com slash stool. Sign Up Promo Code Stool for you. I bet sound bonus. 'cause I went to the bank took out twenty five grand. Don't know what I'm GonNa do with yet just it just waiting I second to second. It is shifting. I started early. I started on Ohio State National Championship. Then I switched to Clemson prior to the final four in. What Ohio state did declines climbs in what? LSU Did I guess in the Sec Championship. All the way to Oklahoma I went back to. LSU everyone out LSU this Lsu that spreads up to five. Casey's obviously it's Lsu has made me think Clinton again so now back on a little bit. What I do I think? LSU IS GONNA win. I think he's GonNa win comfortably. But he's not going to bet based on what I'm thinking he's saying that because I'm so confident in LSU covering five and a half that he's GonNa that comes in he thinks you're you're a square. Why I just think you are you you you're obviously? Lsu is making me now lean towards clemes square. Ah I feel like the squares are analysis underdogs or five in this game against spread five or are they gonna go undefeated forever or are they gonNA lose them. That's the square. Pick doc no information. That's all I took three three and a half four keeps going. It's same square in the sense like everybody's Wash Lsu just ripped through everybody and Clinton look vulnerable so like square. It's like oh well late April speak. We'll see I don't know if that exists. I think that Clemson is going to keep a close because I think Clemson is better than people are giving credit for. But they've not seen an offense like they have they're going to tonight the entire season he's figuring out exactly how good Ohio state was or is will help you win. This bet I think figuring out how good Ohio state was or is happy. There's also the option which I thought from strictly gambling but it gets tricky. I don't know if I can take my this is we're getting into the real fundamentals that have nothing to do with the game. If I can take my cash show up at faneuil say here you go put it into my account and that I can live in which case if I watched the first drive or three minutes. I think I'm going to have a much better handle on what's happening in the odds aren't GonNa Shift that much so you will be an actual pistol stole on that show. If you're live betting twenty five grand correct. Well No. He didn't like that so just one cash. Because it's harder to put money. I I tried to deposits so to do to put that much money in my account and I don't know if you can do it in which case then I just do the pre-game bet off and running and if I do it I'm doing it via take Clemson. I guess we didn't Talk National Championship. I if I take Clemson I'm going money. Why bother with the points this this is a storyline? Pick for me. Forget about the betting aspect of it. The story of Ed Order on the story of Joe Borough coming from Ohio state it was wrong getting cast aside years ago and everybody laughing. When he got hired heard it's meant to end in the superdome national titles so store pick? I agree with all that but I feel like you would be much more of a logical guy when it comes to this shit. Oh I'm not even kind of logical logical I'm wondering yes the Enos Ron story aren't concludes perfect sense but that is also the disrespect. Suspected Clemson. Because you could argue there a better story if they win their stories storyline. Maybe the greatest football team of all time and they will have they will have come in they would of disrespect against Ohio state number three seed despite never losing and then when what makes team never around. It's what his life. Is You liking that more than the Davol in one of the greatest team of all time. That's that's what they can play and that's certainly what they've been playing that game. Yep so you think Clemson and just all of a sudden that much better if he thinks Ohio state was the best team in the country. He thinks they've the the x factor is how good was Ohio but on college football show you right go. Higher State should have won that game winning Ohio say loss it right. So why can they all of the Waterfall House as far better than anything. I don't usually the questions where in lies. The problem is a mounter. Ohio state is a major factor. They could be the best team and they fucked up but just the fact that Clinton was in the game like I think if Ohio Tapie Clemson Iowa thousand percent would be betting on Ohio state that makes any sense just because LSU played Oklahoma. Nobody I know. I think that I think proved to me the beating good team. That is a lot more tangible than what we don't know what they were won that game because they're a good team if clemson comes around and Dick's around the first scored against Ohio State. LSU will stay didn't bury them. Their offense wasn't good enough to Barium. LSU will be and in that building once you fall behind. It's going to be hard. They gotta start start faster than they did against Ohio state so the lie bedding might might make sense if limbs and comes out before but I. I think you're GonNa see right away like what what's when I the tenor of the game is not going to be after the first speech team has the ball. Once I'll know well do you think job rose better than just feel. I'm actually surprised you. Don't you feel like when you watch exhilarating anyway. Yeah it's also like it's just a lot that's it's a little bit of money it's surrendering and poker like you should place your bet ya get or Bush Jack. Just there's so much value sometimes when like you're on you know there. There is no correlation between first half and second half football. That's like one of the great tricks in the history of it just doesn't matter no question. Barrow is better than fields. Right when you're GONNA I know you on this on twenty what's GonNa tip it. I don't know it was going to be feel the thing. I can already tell you this if I win. I'm not leaving with an. I'm putting on Tennessee. I expected to go back and forth. Clemson Lsu over these two two weeks. I've stayed with on back and forth like motherfucker. Are you susceptible right now to like a tip borer fuck who says Clinton flag flying. I did notice that Somebody's wearing an orange sweatshirt. The Pussy Eater Bob is Clinton had correct now which is wireless owner Specula- his dad went to their from South Carolina. His Dad went to South Carolina because he didn't get into Clemson and they still root for Clinton have some self respect way harder to get into the South Carolina. Apparently that's weird almost wearing. Maybe it was Jack. Well don't sways me is I'm GONNA if I can't wash the pre-game because it's GonNa be all LSU outside the superdome like they're giving blow jobs at Dabo that video this thing and neck in the streets collusion that shit just weighs me has nothing to do with it. Because in the stadium it'll probably be fifty fifty because the tickets are allocated videos videos pretty good. Yeah because Elektra but I feel like being in New Jersey fifty fifty. I think it'll be sixty five a guy who's gone to a million super bowls It will be super bowls different the national championship games. Well one super bowl ones for pros once for college cracked but LSU's been in a spot before and and outside the Alabama game which regional wasn't that big of a difference. They dominated the Oklahoma game in two thousand three. They had eight hundred twenty that night where it was in the super it was in the Superdome for the sugar bowl in two thousand and three Lsu had a dominant home field advantage. I Ninety S Oklahoma. Your brain is special but one hundred seventy uh-huh out of hundred and eighty to hold on yes. LSU What what was that a playoff the situation now that was the BCS championship game that was a BCS championship game. Remember when USC got left out and we had to split situation. Yeah it was Oklahoma. LSU In the sugar bowl and Oklahoma was just done because the crowd was incredible. I mean in general I think you can expect to be fifty fifty just given the location allocated tickets but just like analysis. Clemson travels so they're gonNA they're not gonNA give up there isn't it. Allocations are like forty percent one team forty team and twenty percent town. Okay so even a sixty forty then. It's not that big of a deal just going to be less than you think in last thing. College Football Have you made contact with new coach. I asked publicly if he's allowing you into the BRO. I have talked with the SL at Mississippi State and he is setting up a summit. That will be a very soon about the future. I'm a very very important part of the future of the program. And that's what we're GONNA hope. He sees that way and can overlook look. I know if somebody talked about me the way you talk about that revisionist history i. I barely said anything I just. I didn't like his millennials comment. That's all I said about him. Don't hate my house tired of mileage. Saying cutesy funny things rainfall except like a mask or using. I think he's self what he's become self aware I believe he has. I think he knows his brand. He knows he's expected to say these things. And that's why he says Mr Mike Leach the whole setup that summit and give him him false hope and then at that summit for us either way exiles you what's good if he lets you ask. How would it be good if he exiled forever that anyway? Yeah but we will then create some sort of rift in. That could be a story. I was nothing more than my program to prominence in your on the outside that that would absolutely crush me fucking crush me all right so we started with college football again. Livestream fan duel starts at eight. I believe we'll be doing it now. The NFL playoffs shocking. I would say obviously the titans the way they destroyed the Ravens I I. I'm not sold on the quarterback. How sold on quarterback? You just can't win with that type of Gimmick Shit. I don't think hundred sixty two games on your way. Today's championship game game is banana. Lamar Jackson. Yeah he's talking about Tannehill. Oh no I'm talking to you. Okay no till you see not sold on quarterback back after sending titans so I thought the eating the allies never sold on him running. quarterbacks great-great-great until the same ain't type were the same type shit always seems the win in the postseason so I guess I shouldn't have been that surprise. I am surprised I am stunned. That Tennessee is still that big of an underdog going to Kansas City. To a team to me. That is a dream match up for Tennessee. And tell you what. I'm stunned about the most important player in the playoffs. So far has it's been a running back right and we're not an elite where that is. The case has absolutely dominated the playoffs. He broke bro Baltimore's back on several occasions the other night he he didn't really do it to New England as much but he's been the player of the playoffs and did Ryan throat. I I did say also which I maintain if Tennessee continues into news is run which I absolutely think they can do. I'm going to become very depressed that we lost him. I think relieved of that. I think Kansas City has needed someone like Tennessee to bulldoze bulldoze the other contenders out of the way and I think Kansas City is now gonNA win that game. But don't you think Kansas City's that team still they can write down their throat. I like you you just said I feel like that is definitely their weakness but in this they don't have to worry about the ravens number one seat and they don't have to worry about the Patriots that now they can just worry about one in this football game. Well that's fine. All the monkeys are off their back. I think Kansas City went. Well that's why wouldn't they were down. Twenty four rip it was like the stars finally aligned for any reason. No one's like he was Gonna absolutely botch it again. But I feel like if coaching second quarter of the worse. Yeah that was insane not directly within one and then the fake punt yet. It didn't work out. I mean it's tough to blame fifty. Nothing run on unlike one or two coaching decisions but still change the tenor of the game is it's very important to playoffs. Change the tone over right. Derrick Henry can keep going though like they're just gonNa keep again can keep doing what he's doing like hot water hopefully two more games and then his career will never be the same. I don't know how left at all I don't know if you can if you can grind it out against Kansas City. Offense can just pop fifty at any moment event fucking crazy especially with Tanna Hilby in the quarterback that you don't just do everything in your power to stop Derrick Henry and just I mean it just seems like impossible he wears you down very similar. I mean the forty niners. When's the last time it's like the old Emmett Smith cowboys they had a drive? They ran the ball wall and they're different three or four running backs at you and just and they have a very good defense of real in the packers game. I know we're talking about I saw hubs in his little like Hawkeye. The yellow lines right. The yellow line is always right. I'm not paying anybody putting the red line. It was right. In fact I saw angled fame and it was a little bit of that was the wrong call people like all the yellow line is unofficial. The yellow line has been the most official thing we have in this American society with the red line. Does what packer propaganda. The yellow line. But isn't I lines drawn. Like where the marker where where the I've watched conservatively speaking a bazillion hours of football. Yeah with past decade. The yellow line has never been wrong. Should be official so using someone else's made up the red line. The red line soccer propaganda on third down. I I don't think it's the end of the world they well. It's big money up right but I'm if it was fourth and that was it. I think it's a very different situation than if it was on third getting it's still grayson instill ended the game. I think my super bowl now the packers are gone. I wouldn't shock if they go in and beat San Francisco and I think Tennessee at uh-huh myself to favorites. So are you like pro or or I like I love the only when we issue I have is what I said. I thought the Patriots watching if they go in and do the same exact thing and the chiefs and it's like I know should beat them. Then that's that's going to haunt want me like I get haunted when I let Super Bowl slip through. I know we have six sorry. I want ten. Although another note saw Vegas Odds Brady. Are you coming back to the Patriots. One two three in Vegas. I'm pretty much means done deal By the way though I mean you with Tannahill as quarterback do you think they can i. It just blows my mind to me. That he's thrown for eighty fucking yards a game to Maryland football. I think San Francisco I mean San Francisco City by far has the worst defense is three. Just GonNa keep right but it's also a little misleading on a second game. Though he threw for two touchdowns fourteen the lead and then they just they just got it on camera. That was a game. Plan big news and MLB. Have we heard from yet but An update they got fired also. The Astros fired him so they fired. Ill or Hinton Lonzo got spending for year. The coaches fired this suspension. Really almost like a tit for like. Oh you're going to suspend them all suspension. Now is a useless buddies. That doesn't affect them at all as a franchise. Well I mean it's back some but it's like nope it's not like you're not gonNA have a real big move because these guys will probably done in baseball. Those two guys and the Astros are now going to. I don't think it really affects them in the sense like would've Aj hinch decided to retire this season. It'll be the same situation. You're now just on a coach. I was GM verb MLB managers to me. Well maybe not if they're doing on this stuff stuff but but day-to-day American the saints. Goodell gutted the Franchisor that move. I mean you can't just take baseball. Even draft picks like who cares well draft picks are bigger dealer manager managed like number one in the. NFL is not a number one it's the NBA Major League Baseball Major League baseball though. Yeah it's not going to be an immediate impact but late first round picks if you look at some of the guys in the past couple a couple of years are are are good players. But it's obviously not weird. I did like the money. Picks and the suspensions are pretty serious ears put none of it really doesn't really impact them like in a death penalty David Away. It's just really not that. Just imagine this happening in the or the the NFL. It'd be the biggest story and all of American sports and this was there was nothing to it with the Patriots. It was but I'm saying this one. This is a huge cheating. The scandal and now the astros have had to fire these two guys suspended for a year. And just it's okay. Whatever I'm not I'm not mad at the Astros Baseball Astros again? The only people people teams people get worked up about the New England patriots in the New England Patriots. What was the team that broke into the front office? That also the car and you're yeah. Yeah that's a bigger deal than this federal fan. That was like you go to jail for that. How would you would you your penalty? I I don't know we were kicking around short of making them. Take away all the world series. You gotta you gotta you gotTa you have to like it has to be player base as something players Shit anyways. It's like they knew what they didn't know like everyone was using fucking steroids. Of course they fuck in. I've got like Gaylord Perry's in the fucking hall of fame. He threw like fuck doc in its selective. It's like let's outrage here. Now when I I'll give a fuck if the answer is did it I commend. We're it was the brainchild of it and wish. He was my coach and go win a championship with that has always celebrated little cheating inside the game until it gets to this and they're like they won't take this stance sure exactly right. What are you GonNa do when when that rain trials? I mean he's going to be suspended for like years. Are we talking about scoring up. They said that they expected to be longer than hit and trade. So I mean yeah I was GonNa say two seems like I bet you. It'll be three three more again. He'll just get fired and nail replacement. Well I mean that's firing again I if l necessarily my guy you're punishing core in the sense that he's suspended for from the League but the team doesn't really owner of white sox. Dave has that information because he did tech. I would assume so. We texted chuck this morning. And he said he had the information and he should've tweeted it but he did put it in a blog and then I read the blog and he said he had no idea what the punishments were going to be eh but he did know. They're coming soon in the Times. Don't add up so I don't know what he knows or doesn't know he's very confusing and as mixed messages. There's having the information just knowing that it's coming the information is I guess not released information but he says he had it but then he contradicts himself in the blog saying he has no idea as a direct quote I believe is there guarding it. Closer than Fort Knox but then in the tax worry about for Knox texts so he wouldn't wanNA burn a source or anything if he did have it. I bet you were saying I said that. The the Minor League team shot to play or you have to make the astros travelled by bus the whole year if the Astros take a bus everywhere and live minor league life that actually impacts like players on complain that have a lot more. Yeah you got to affect the players on the field right. Don't have as long time ago when Bregman basically admitted to cowardice cheating. Remember that game. He told us that I wasn't even a long time ago. That because yeah we cheat restaurants Berkman hit a home run. Yeah right that also. We're talking about Kershaw today. Okay I mean the Astros. And they're cheating is what like basically completely ruined Kershaw's legacy it was like that Game Adam in Saint Louis. Yeah that was the final nail in the call in Houston. ABC crazy just thrown. gummy decks. At the COPS. I don't know what was going on. How are you going to get a bill union job but you can't even pay shoes broker academics so the baggage this say that because the German shoe basis enough breath bid China's still billy educated and pay for the kid in the street Nelson Meltdown City? For maybe that wasn't the dark with the the family they're gonNA run out when he's I hate to say he's on. He's on the death poll. He's in the debt Susa. You think that there's there's any chance he would accept. Logan Paul's boxing challenge of. I hope so because empty. My Bank account on him do people think Logan Paul can beat up Monday. uh-huh who pro bowler. He's the quickest motherfucker of all. I would go. ABC fighter though. Who Cares? I mean you gotta be able to fight in a boxing match point him to death. I would literally go to the ends of the Earth if I could get if I knew I could promote despite and then it could bet unlimited did ab would. Did you have a little bit. Yeah I mean he's not horrible. Got With Quick Fast Athletes Pretty fast he would destroy Roy. Logan Paul Destroy Adamant arrested. Who Cares this story? There were rumors who set up. I get I heard heard that I don't think so potentially connections with Nazi Germany and Mercedes vehicles and stuff of that nature. But how about the guy like nick. Nick right seem nick right. That fucking idiot trying to say this somehow as to do like and yet people say oh. BJ's bad teammate. But like adelines sounds good comparing this like this drunk jumped on for a second like what are you talking. Well I mean. I don't think it's a good man but it doesn't teammate song. Yes I mean it's like oh lovie Jay is a consistent pain in the ass. 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Ohio State Reformatory

Haunted Places

41:54 min | 2 years ago

Ohio State Reformatory

"I have some exciting news for you starting now you can listen to haunted places episodes that are older than six months completely ad free exclusively on Stitcher premium. We're always looking for ways to improve listener experience. We found an amazing partner in Stitcher to bring you episodes ad free six months after they're released again, this will only affect episodes that are older than six months. Nothing else will change we'll still be releasing new haunted places episodes wherever he listened to podcasts for free month trial, go to Stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use promo code podcast that Stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use promo code podcast. On the morning of January thirtieth nineteen sixty the prisoner did sit ups in his freezing cell in the east cell block of Ohio State reformatory. He exercised for hours to keep warm. His regimen had the added benefit of building up strength here. He needed it. In the first few months of a sentence that prisoner witnessed bloody fights between prisoners mercilus beatings from the cards inmates. Leaping from the upper ranges of their cellblocks unable to face the nightmare any longer. Death was everywhere. But the prisoner endured today, however that rush of heat permeated his body faster than normal. He prayed to God, it wasn't fever. A blood curdling scream rang out to the cell block. The prisoner ran to see the source of the commotion. He gripped the bars of his cell and cried out they burned like a stove-top. He leaped back coughing. Well, smelling smoke poured from the bars of the next cell cell. Thirteen is voice was lost in the chorus of prisoners shouting for the guards standing in south thirteen was a gaunt man and Gulf inflames is head looked like a Jack lantern and unsettling smile. Twisted. His lips as his skin blackened and cracked like a hawk on a spit the prisoners. Neighbor was burning a lie. Welcome to haunted places on the park cast network. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday take you to the scariest areas most haunted real places on earth this week. Join me on a supernatural journey to the state Reforma, Tori in Mansfield, Ohio, a gothic prison once home to the state's most dangerous criminals and discover why to this day. It's onto. At park cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merch had depar- cast dot com slash merch. For more information, listen to more episodes of haunted places as well. As par casts. Other podcasts on your favorite podcast directory. A triumph of nineteenth century American architecture, the romanesque and gothic influenced Ohio State reformatory looks more. Like medieval palace than a state penitentiary. It's gray stone towers Lou on the edge of the sleepy. Russ bell town of Mansfield, Ohio like Dracula's castle, it's apt nickname during the civil war. The site was a training camp for union soldiers construction on the prison began in eighteen ninety six it opened ten years later the first class of offenders was put to work building the twenty five foot wall surrounding the grounds. It felt a little like they were burying themselves alive. Due to soaring costs caused by Sam bishops design the reform. Tori, wasn't completed until nineteen ten the sprawling state of the art prison. Boasted among other features a six story. Free. Standing steel cell block, the largest in the world a record it holds to this day. The Ohio State reformatory was originally intended for young and first time offenders, but it quickly began housing the state's most dangerous criminals. Arsonists rapists, murderers, you name it in one thousand nine hundred inmate Charles Justice helped build its first electric chair which had recently replaced hanging as the prison systems. Primary means of execution while cleaning up the execution. Shaver went after noon Justice, notice that shares flimsy leather straps and designed metal clamps to secure the inmate more firmly and minimize that pesky little issue of burning flesh. Justice was paroled on good behavior. But later, he was convicted of first degree murder charges and sent back to the Reforma Tori with a death sentence in a twist of irony. He became the thirty eighth person executed in the chair, he helped create you might say Justice was served. The worst of the worst reformatory earned a place in solitary confinement. Or is it was more commonly referred to the whole prisoners who spent time in the whole usually learned their lesson. But sometimes the lesson went too far. There's been a riot at Reforma, Tori, and you're one of one hundred twenty inmates rounded up by the guards. Whether you had anything to do with it is beside the point the warden needs to set. An example, you've heard whispers, they might send you to the whole. But you laugh it off their only twelve cells down there. No way in hell, it would fit all of you. Steely eyed guard jams you're back with his night. Stick hurting you downstairs like cattle the narrow hallway fills with bodies. It's hot humid, airless and unfathomable stink rises from the filthy prisoners ahead. You see guards prodding inmates into the cells packing them away like luggage. Horrible shots. Reverberate through the hall. A pair of rough hands forces you inside the nearest cell. It's tiny made smaller by five inmates already inside you scrambled for the doorway. But a guard pushes you back. Your desperation pushes you to one. Again, this time the nightsticks blunt response forces you to crumble into a corner another inmate enters. That another then another soon ten of you are in their tighter than sardines the door swings. Shut the bolt locks. It's pitch black. You feel a new cellmates nervous breath of the back of your neck. Then the squabbling begins shouting voices all around you more come muffled through the walls. The guards bang on the door. Yelling to keep quiet. No one's listening. Everyone's fighting for space sanity, you feel like a farm animal with mounting terror. You realize you're not all going to make it, but you will dammit. You edgy your way to the wall breast your head. And wait. Minutes turn to hours turn to days. Turn to who knows. Your world is sore legs sharp elbows, the gnawing pain of an empty stomach and depressive, infinite darkness, you're weak. You need some space to sit down. A week later the doors open the sullen inmates file quickly out of their cells. Sunken eyes. Blink can the dim light has guards guide there. Limp. Bodies upstairs, you hear a shriek of twisted laughter and watch a riding prisoner carried out at least you made it up with your sanity. Last to leave your stopped at the doorway by guard. What's that sound? He asks you shrug. You don't hear anything the guard shines flashlight around the dingy space. Halting the worn out bunk in the corner dark liquid pools beneath its blood draining from the open mouth of a bruised and battered corpse splayed on the mattress like a voodoo doll the guard steps back in shock. Then turns us clash light on you that I you can't answer is rapid fire questions, but the dried blood on your hands fills in the blanks. The whole was located in the prison basement. The cells were tiny barren windowless festering with Furman. It was sweltering in the summer months freezing. In the winter prisoners were fed only meager servings of bread broth and water and had nothing to help pass the time except a well war and copy of the Gideon bible. Perhaps. It's no surprise that. The whole is still a hotbed of paranormal activity those exploring it's long abandoned halls feel sharp jabbing pains here hushed disembodied voices feel as if they're shove downstairs when no one else is around experience cold breath on their necks. Get the sense that someone unseen is watching the pain in. Suffering that occurred here has left behind a dark energy that cannot be expunged prisoners aren't the only ones who met their fates in the whole one of the reformatories better known spirits is a guard named Frank hanger. Meryl Chandler listened at the door to a cell as hangers slow footsteps paste the hallway outside the guard would be taking his break any minute. Sure. Enough the footsteps stopped. Then he heard the sound of radio static Chandler took a deep breath and made his move. He watched hanger fiddling with the dial. It was nearly impossible to get a working frequency down. Here. The guard failed to hear slow footsteps creeping out from the cabinet behind him. They came closer closer. Chanter shadow fell over hangar. Now at just the tenant Chandler almost felt bad for the oblivious guard. But he was the only thing standing in the way of Chandler's freedom. He brought the metal rod down hard hanger skull hanger, slumped to the floor as Chandler's hands rifled through its uniform snatching his gun and keys hanger squinted up groping for his things Chandler hit him again, the guards space flattened against the cement floor. Chandler ran through the whole opening cells. I was Chester pro Busk Chandler handed is stunned friend the metal rod he'd loosing from his bunk, watch hanger. He his my pleasure answer sqi already walking toward the defenseless guard. The blows rained like a monsoon hanger tried to scream but only the sound of gargled blood came out his skull cracked like an egg shanzer glanced at hangers bludgeoned body and grabbed his friend by the arm. It was time to split. The escapees ran upstairs, but didn't have time to think through their next move in a matter of minutes guard surrounded them hangar was rushed to the infirmary or he died of internal bleeding Chandler n pro ski were convicted and sentenced to the electric chair. On execution day Chander appropos key glowered at the Lookie loos gathered to see them meet their maker, hangers family, the warden guards and someone else. Genders is widened at the site of pale figure at the back of the crowd. Standing dutifully by the doorway. Everyone was so concerned with condemned no-one regarded the man tipping his cap to the final stragglers entering the room. Some even seem to walk right through him. His oughta parents, however aroused Chandler's curiosity. The men were guard's uniform. But there's no way they let someone with a mug like that work here. He had a face like the elephant man, swollen and deformed with clumps of matted hair stains, covered his clothing as the executioner watched the second tick by in the clock that killers time drawing near the monstrous man turned his pay allies toward the front of the room. That's when Chandler realized it was hanger watching and waiting like everyone else he squirmed with terror as the executioner through the switch. Hangers. Ghost was the last thing that killer song before they died. But he wasn't there to frighten them. He was only doing his job. Hangar spirit guards the whole to the stay protecting visitors from the cruel mischief of the inmates. Turnley atoning for his mistake. If an inmate's ghost shoves, you you might feel another set of hands help you on your feet, that's hanger. He's appeared as an orb of light in visitors photographs some have seen him patrolling the cell block in full uniform. He's regarded as courteous plight responding well to figures of authority, particularly police officers. Coming up. We'll explore the administration wing of the Hieaux state reformatories where a husband and wife both died under mysterious circumstances. Nine years apart. If you like haunted places when we're between episodes, you should check out one of my favorite podcasts. The white vault. It isn't a podcast podcast. But if you like ghost stories or creepy investigations, I think you'll enjoy this new horror fiction podcast. The white fault is about an international research team that sent to the Arctic to discover the source of a mysterious signal while they make an astonishing archaeological discovery the also learn that they might not be alone. What horrors lurk beneath the ice other than the fantastic story. The sound design on the white fault adds so much to the atmosphere. You feel like you're right there alongside the characters. Another thing. I really like about the show is the intellectual horror all of the scientific terminology used is real. So you can actually learn while listening, but talented cast is truly international. Hey. Hailing from countries like Germany Iceland, Finland China, Russia and various parts of South America. The white vault is also available for free. However, you listen to podcasts or on the white vault dot com. Now back to the story. Beal Sioe state reformatories is home to the spirits of many former prisoners, but paranormal activity isn't confined to the old cell blocks in the early nineteen thirties. Arthur glad K was volunteer for Martin Davies, Ohio. Gubernatorial campaign canvassing the streets of Toledo one day, Arthur met, another volunteer who shared his hope for a better future. Not to mention she was beautiful. Her name was Helen Bauer. Arthur and Helen married shortly after Davey won his campaign. Arthur was appointed warden of the Ohio State reformatory. The glad case pack their bags and move to Mansfield setting up house in an elegant apartment in the administration wing far removed from the heroine cellblocks, Arthur Helen's life together was unconventional. But they made it work Helen gave birth to two boys. She was a dedicated mother Arthur's job made him increasingly busy, but he was always home for dinner. They made a great team and couldn't imagine life without each other. Or so it seems. A November fifth nineteen fifty the lone gunshot pierced the Sunday morning quiet of the administration wing Arthur listened numbly as prison staff entered the apartment, they found him crouched in the walk in closet trembling over Helen's body blood oozing all over the turquoise dress. She planned to wear to church. The couple clutched hands a crucifix necklace woven between their fingers as Helen's eyelids fluttered. Shut. Arthur's? Face was wet with tears. The ambulance soon. Arrived to take her to Mansfield General Hospital where she died two days later. A tearful Arthur blubber to police that Helen died from an accidental gunshot wound reaching for jewelry in her closet. She knocked another box off the shelf, which contained a thirty two caliber semiautomatic that fired into her left lung as it hit the floor heartbroken. Arthur blamed himself for concealing the gun. Police accepted. The grieving widow was account without much question. But then things got uncomfortable for their. After putting the boys to bed one night. Arthur sat up late reading notes for a big meeting. The next morning. The apartment was silent. All he heard was the faint Mon the wind outside the window. He yawned and looked at his watch. It was close to midnight. He put out his cigar and decided to turn in. As Arthur stood. He heard what steps coming from the bedroom. Boys. He asked softly is. Only answer was familiar creek of the bathroom door, but chill ran up his spine. He and the boys hadn't used Helen's bathroom censor death. Arthur cautiously approached the door, a woman's voice hummed inside Arthur thought, it might be as old mistress. He pushed open the door, darling. I told you we're through is voice trailed off as he realized the bathroom was empty. Arthur through back, the shower curtain looked out the window. Even check the medicine cabinet. No sign of anyone. He's splash some water on his face. He really needed sleep. Yes. He looked up at his face in the mirror. He caught a glimpse of figure in the doorway behind him. Helen, holding the gun that killed her Arthur spun around, but she'd already disappeared the next morning, but typically gregarious warden acknowledged to secretary with a curtain rod and shut his door tight behind him. He took launch in his office something he never did. But Arthur wasn't working after long and sleepless night, he paced the room like a madman. But this was merely the first painful day of many. Late nights Arthur's office, the click of her trademark high heels became as regular as clockwork he'd feel her. I see breath in air urging him to confess his crime Arthur tried to ignore her. But he wasn't the only one who experienced her presence. His secretary mentioned the footsteps as well. Rats. Explain nervously, even his sons claim to hear their mother's voice. Humming hymnal songs inside her presence, comforted them. Arthur, meanwhile, wasn't hell. One night. He woke to the sound of voices in the hallway he went outside to find the boy standing trance-like at the bathroom door, a hushed voice inside. What quiet? Arthur's sons turned to him with grave expressions standing in a patch of blue moonlight. They looked like ghosts themselves. She doesn't like you father one uttered with unsettling calm. She knows about the bad things. You do. And so the years passed Arthur hardly slept and grew distant from his children his life felt like a thin reality. He screamed at empty rooms pulled his hair web done its knees, he begged for forgiveness begged for just a single night of rest, but still her presence remained. The voice echoed in the halls. The potent smell of perfume stung, his nose the heels clicked violently against the floor. Her bloody image flickered and mirrors in windows in the reflection of television peace and silence. These were concepts. He never knew again. And then, but they came when Arthur was working alone in his office. The familiar smell of ROS per few wafted through the room and made him nauseous. He was getting old too old to keep carrying his burden. He looked up Helen size met his as she crossed the floor to his desk. Then a sharp pain. Gripped is chest Arthur's is went wide a devilish smile lit his wife's paleface that she came closer her heels. The only sound he heard I'll do it out confess he yelped doubling over with pain. Helen perched on the desk and stroked Arthur's face with an ice cold hand you've suffered enough. She purred Arthur watched her finger trace down his neck like a dagger. Suddenly her translucent hand plunged into his chest as if the layers of flesh and Bom were thin air. He shivered helplessly as frozen fingers closed around his beating heart and squeeze. Arthur's secretary heard the screams. I she ran into the office to find Arthur's slumped over his desk unconscious. He was rushed to Mansfield general the same hospital where Helen died. According to official records Helen GATT K died from an accidental gunshot wound in November nineteen fifty police accepted. Arthur's accounted for death, though. Any gun expert would agree? It's highly unlikely a pistol could have discharged in the manner Arthur described rumors swirled that Helen had uncovered Arthur's extramarital affair and he'd killed her. When she threatened to leave him Arthur never remarried in February nineteen Fifty-nine he suffered a heart attack in his office and passed away shortly afterward, whatever happened between them in life. Arthur and Helen seemed to have resolved their differences in death visiting their old department in the administration wing you can hear heels walk from the bedroom to the Pink Panther. Catch. A whiff of rose perfume feel vertigo and light head. Adminis- in the walk in closet where she was shot. But a disembodied male voice has also been reported and the smell of cigars Arthur's. Lifelong vice? The specter of death loomed large at Ohio State reform. Tori by nefarious means or natural causes over two hundred fifty people at their end during its ninety four years as a functioning prison. If no one claimed the body of a prisoner. The not so dearly departed was buried in the prison cemetery headstones were marked with inmates numbers rather than names a grim reminder that no one escaped the sentence. Two hundred seventeen graves still stand there monuments to the reformatories cruel past it said that restless spirits still roam the cemetery to this day. Somewhere among the headstones lies the body of the most infamous prisoner to stay at the Ohio State reformatories his short life wasn't -particularly remarkable nor the crimes that sent him to prison. But let's just say he went out in a blaze of glory is frightening presence has been felt by nearly every visitor to his old cell in east block from paranormal investigators to regular people like you and me. Coming up. We'll investigate the story of James Lockhart, but ghost of cell thirteen. Now back to the story. Little is known about the origins of James Jim Lockhart in nineteen fifty five when he was just seventeen years old. He was sentenced to hard time at Ohio State reform Atari he became known as inmate number five four six seven three. By the mid nineteen fifties quality of life at the prison. Had sunk to new lows prison overcrowding led to as many as four inmates being confined in a single cell violence was rampant meals were practically inedible the building was filthy and vermin-infested sickness and disease bread like wildfire. Lockhart Jorde five long years in the reformatory, no family our friends came to visit. He preferred his own company. He was a loner kept himself kept his head down his mouth shut. He was an odd. Duck invented games to pass the time in his cell spoke with imaginary friends, the guards didn't like Lockhart talking to himself, but he didn't care. He lost track of things of time up reality life on the outside faded to a distant memory prison became the only reality. He knew and endless cycle. A wheel of press time. Wake up cold feet numb fingers body itching from scratchy too, short blanket walk. The echoing halls inmates. Shuffled by heads down is they can't some of them are dead Lockhart knows this every day. He walks with the dead. He sits in the yard cold feet, numb thinkers fights breakout. This wants throat slit that one beaten to a pulp with a soap Barna suck. They dragged the bodies away. They're thrown into an unknown grave their blood stays behind soaks into the soil. Some of them return to walk the halls with Lockhart heads unstable atop their slit throats, swollen beaten faces moaning incomprehensibly gray meals. Slimy. Loose blobs. He tastes the rust of the plate. He tastes something bowel an unknown, but he eats. But dead watch him. They smile they mock him they say, it's fruitless he will always be hungry, but still he eats. He returns to his cell cold feet numb thinkers, the prison makes noises from both the living and the debt. This is the time they share together. This is the time both embrace their madness sleep comes. The sounds remain. His dreams are the same as waking life cold feet. Numb fingers. The rough blanket, scratches his soul. Then the child's laughter comes it fills the cavernous hall, it hides the dead drowns them out. The child comes to him in the dining hall. The child's body is drenched. But Lockhart recognizes the boy mmediately, it is him the dead version of him the him who's is still held hope the him whose body was warm. The foul flavor of the food is gone the rust no longer lingers on his tongue the child stays by him in the art. There are no fights no throats slit, no bludgeoned faces. He returns to his cell the dead. Stay silent about the living continued to shriek. The boy stays with him. He does not speak, but he laughs. He is always wet y'all way smells, sharp pungent the days move faster, but his feet are still cold his fingers numb. The child shows him the canister he laughs when Lockhart holds it. He claps his hands with glee when Lockhart brings it back to a snow, then the child starts to flicker and fade Lockhart begs he pleads for the boy to stay, but the child only laughs and claps his hands. He flickers and feigns liquors and faints brighter than dimmer brighter than nearly gone. But dead walk again the foul taste returns to his mouth. When the child has gone Lockhart knows what he must do. He takes out the hidden canister the little boy sits on the bunk little more than a shadow he laughs and laughs and laughs Lockhart tips the canister and pours the contents over his head. He is drenched like child you wants only to be like the child. The stench of the turpentine is strong and full of energy life fills him hope fills him. He lights a match and places it in the puddle. He sits in. His feet are no longer cold his fingers. Finely vaud. It took the guards over half an hour to respond to the prisoner. Shouts in south. Are teen. They found James Lockhart burning alive. They tried to splash the flames with water buckets the guards entered the cell doused. What was left of the flames grap Lockhart roughly by the arms and riot out his blackened body still trailing smoke. Chunks of burnt flesh fell off like a gruesome bread crumb trail as the grim procession moved down the range a choked scream escaped the scorched remnants of carts mouth. Then he went quiet. For good. That's one way out of this hellhole prisoner jeered trying to lighten the mood. No one left. None of the men would ever forget what they'd witnessed. When no family came for Lockhart spotty. He was buried in the prison cemetery with the other nameless dead. You can still find him there under headstone number five four six seven three, but he's not exactly resting in peace. In the years since Lockhart suicide visitors to the east bloc have experienced an ominous presence. The sense of being watched the scene dark shadows. Patrolling the fourth range near sell thirteen or red orbs of light visitors have felt pushed shoved scratched by unseen hands. They've heard disembodied voices or chilling laughter. Booming through the block. The same presences sometimes felt near the infirmary where his body was taken after burning alive of violent and angry spirit Lockhart has Hieaux state reformatories most infamous permanent resident. In the nineteen eighties. Former prisoners want a class action lawsuit against Ohio State reformatory citing overcrowding and inhumane conditions, it officially ceased operation in December nineteen ninety prisoners were transferred to the newly built Mansfield Correctional Institute a few years after its closure film director, Frank Darabont. Use the striking ruins of the old performance story as the location for his adaptation of a little known, Stephen King novella released in nineteen Ninety-four, but Shashank redemption was a critical smash earning seven Oscar nominations, the popularity of the film sent tourists flocking to the older form Atari in nineteen ninety-five. The newly formed Mansfield reformatories preservation society purchased the property to restore and maintain the building today. The reform Tori continues to be a popular shooting location for film, TV and music videos and has hosted numerous paranormal investigation series. Guides offered daytime tours of the old grounds, but nighttime ghost tours are its most popular draw walking through the dark decaying halls hearing strange noises echo off the bricks and feeling chills of the old building. Anyone can experience occurrences that continue to entice believers in the supernatural Kenda spirits of such a terrible place ever truly rest. Thanks again for tuning into haunted places. We'll be back next Thursday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of haunted places as well. As all of park casts. Other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Some of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at parkas network. I'll see next time. Haunted places. So it's created by max Cutler, it is a production of Cutler media, and as part of the podcast network. It's produced by max and Ron Cutler sound designed by Kenny Hobbs with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Maggie admire and Carly Madden. Haunted places written by DFW Buckingham. I'm Greg Poulsen.

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College Football Week 5 Betting Picks: Penn State at Maryland, Ohio State at Nebraska, USC at Wash

Bet The Board

1:01:12 hr | 1 year ago

College Football Week 5 Betting Picks: Penn State at Maryland, Ohio State at Nebraska, USC at Wash

"That thou board we never right. I bet you twenty bucks. I can get you can't with forty illnesses grand how they pay debts men his the money. It's the board podcast originally the end right back where I and I could still pick winners I can still make money for all kinds of people back home and why mess up a good thing airs pain insider and todd welcome in to the the board podcast powered by Fox bet college football week on the docket. A couple of marquee match. Just put asleep not nearly as attractive as what we encountered last week. I'm your host talk. Berman joined ads always by my colleague and Co host a man who needs no introduction we give them one anyway the the only the verbal insider. Why are you buttering me up? I feel like you're about to ask me for something. No I'm not about to ask you for something. I was about to commend your efforts. It's nice when we get a rocking chair Saturday twenty eight and a half twenty nine point dog depending on where you shop to build a seven nothing lead and you coast to the finish line with the Old Dominion Monarchs was hoping they won't outrun well that makes two of US but beggars can't be choosers and if you're going to tell me that you're catching twenty not in half the team that you're betting against doesn't score twenty nine and a half. I like those odds with thinks good things you texted me because we were making a joke last week about their team totals at seven and a half or nine and a half depending on where you shopped and that that came in pretty quickly we're talking about giving that out just not available everywhere when we do this podcast on Wednesdays yeah yeah a little bit trickier to try and give out a team on that. All of the game was nationally televised we saw you. It's at best so nice to try and get their college. Football continues to roll end. We'll keep that train on the tracks real quick pain. I know we talk about it. We do it briefly more extensively in the national football league much decent amount of college football. was there one thing that stood out to you last weekend tournament baby that's about it. That's the only thing that comes to mind. I didn't watch a ton of games last weekend. I'm trying to kind of get away from that and have a normal semblance awesome life. Stop St- step up. Don't try and bullshit bullshit around here. Don't lie to being serious. What's her name? What's her name? No no nothing like that. Nothing serious this time of year saw some fight from Florida state. The season was about that everything about come off the tracks at one in three and the now save the season. There was a little fight there from from these guys yeah. I liked what I saw big game this week against. NC state must win. If you WANNA be bowl eligible because the CLEMSON game brewing and I'm not honestly I'm not sure that you even put any effort into that game. I would sit some guys I would not have much of a game plan there and then focus on wake after after that game's going to be important while there's no way you're being clumps in so spoiler alert Florida state. NC State will not be one of our big game. Break knows on today's podcast Mike Castle for those looking for more seminal love. You're going to have to take your energies and efforts in a different direction. Put Pain for the second week in a row. We have a football the game on Friday night worth discussing and which should be an electric atmosphere in College Park Maryland where Penn State is a six and a half point road favorite total of sixty at Fox bet right now and you look at this particular Game Penn State's first jerome game with a freshman quarterback some ties between coach Loxley and James Franklin both on the in Maryland staff together from two thousand and two thousand two and the last two matches between these two programs. Well hasn't been pretty for the turtles outscored one hundred four to six now now it does come with the caveat that was the final game of the regular season in two thousand seventeen and two thousand eighteen but the stats well. Let's just say there's a reason that Maryland cancelled old afternoon classes and they're calling for a blackout as they welcome Penn State town. I appreciate that long injury as I finished my breakfast here the breakfast today what flavor Lara Bar we got eggs. We got what we working on over there. No lower bargain can't make eggs. Welcome doing a podcast. I've no idea if you want me to ramble longer. I mean I can give you five. I just seven minutes really not getting so obviously tough game for Sean Clifford in you kind of the head I wrote Dart Environment GonNa be electric. Fans are being asked to participate in this blackout so they're wearing wearing all black and classes were cancelled on Friday so the entire schools focus is on this game and I think when you look at Sean Clifford he's going to determine how good penn state can be offensively this year. He's missing some easy throws. He's gotta hit them. He was abysmal aw on standard downs throwing the ball against Pittsburgh seven for eighteen on standard downs and I think that's one thing we hammer home all the time right. When you have a a young quarterback back let him throw on downs where defense is insurance coming and so he wasn't very successful doing that? Penn state is barely inside the top fifteen explosive passing Clifford overthrew to wide open guys in the pit game so when you look at this yes I think he's GonNa need some help. From the ground game. That's been wildly inconsistent so far few listened to the people in the Penn State area that are covering the team locally they believe Ricky Ronnie the OC is using this running back rotation. That's far too large and so from what I'm hearing he's heard those whispers apparently during the bye he's appointed journey brown the number one running back and then I guess Kane is going to assume the the short yardage duties. Let's see if like those two running backs now now that they are going to be getting more snaps. They're probably going to be in better rhythm. Let's see if that works because right now only fourteen chunk runs the season from PSU tailbacks. That's barely inside the top one hundred. I think the question Todd that we've had for years right about Penn state is their offensive line and the level of competition they face face so far hasn't been great outside of Pittsburgh the O. Line still lacking some some consistency there allowing too many negative place twenty four negative plays allowed in three games against three defenses excluding pit that you know their average rank right now sixty eight defensive efficiency biometrics other side of the ball go ahead. No no no. I think you raise some interesting points because Penn State is one of those teams at all openly admit I've struggled with. I wasn't sure what this team is going to be coming into the season and when I watch it's always difficult when you go through the month of September. This is going to be a common trend. I think until we get into the heart of conference play how you assess some of the a young town not only in the first two road environment but when you haven't played a living breathing defense and we say we want about pit that seventeen ten win probably looks better now at Pitt having upset. UCF HALF BUT PITT isn't exactly defensive stalwart by any stretch of the imagination and Penn state really looked to be average to below average moving football for long stretches in that context. They're good defense overall efficiency right. It's it's a top twenty five units so it's it's certainly good test. The question is what's in Maryland defensively. I think the verdict still out there a little bit too right. They've been very good creating negative place thirty nine so far causing lots of of chaos and havoc with the front seven I think there's some question marks still with the pass defense I know John Hope the defensive coordinator known to be like one of the better secondary coaches coach the NFL level but despite all that havoc being created by the front seven the secondary's long sixty two percent completion rate and that's against Howard and down Syracuse offense with Devito and temple none of those offenses ranked better than seventieth an offense efficiency so far so definitely going up in class for the Maryland defense. Let's see how they handle a little bit but that's going to be the game within the game. Here of Clifford comes out. He's comfortable. He's moving the chains efficiently through the air. They're gonNA have have a chance here obviously if Maryland secondary steps up and shows that hey this isn't too much for US Maryland going to have a good chance not even cover this number knbr potentially win this outright guy that you're gonNA WANNA keep tabs on. I'm sure has been a focus of Maryland's film study be Caja Hamblur if you can neutralize him especially on third downs it'll make Sean John Clifford job that much more difficult than you mentioned known passing downs Penn State so far this season is converted just seven of thirty third down opportunities and one of the big things poking around. I'm doing some reading some concern on the defensive side their inability to get off the field and key third downs which we thought coming into the season Penn State's defense was going to be their strength when we look at this Maryland offense they've actually been good on third down again. Questionable Competition Twenty to forty nine. Excuse me in that department Giovane leak and Anthony Mcfarland more than capable casse hitting a home run. Are you gonNA finish Lara Bar over there. No nine was had our listeners are like what the hell's going on. I almost died halfway through US talking offense. I got an almond stuck in my throat as I go Christ. I had some eggs to get things going but we love Maryland's ground game. I think the biggest thing you you took away flat spot or not against Tampa was Josh Action. Struggle fifteen to thirty eight had multiple chances late in that game to get them to an outright win. They weren't gonNA at necessarily cover the number but Jackson has to be better. What do we make of this Maryland offense in some of their potential to have a decent day against his penn state defense? That's what it comes down to right need to see more from Josh Jackson can have this. RPO Base passing game and only complete fifty one percent of your throws at the college level. It's just not good enough right needs to be more accurate the other thing I've noticed stylistically which is interesting you know Marilyn's got to be able to run the ball especially in this game. When you have the kind of ground game that Maryland does with with McFarland and you mentioned leak they both beneficient they both ben explosive defenses are going to load the box bright in knowing that having a passing shing game that's predicated on short passes obviously becomes a little more difficult when everyone's rammed in jammed in inside the box right so I think Jackson has to provide a threat of beating your defense deep right now? He's not doing that Maryland seventy four th and explosive passing. I WANNA chalk up the Maryland loss to temple as two things I obviously it's a really good allies defense right one. That's currently graded out better than Penn state actually but knowing that's the best data point and probably will be the most parallel data point. It's tough kind of overlooked that Josh Jackson performance and we saw on Josh Jackson on standard downs in that game again downs that are really conducive conducive to passing success Jackson was seven for twenty three eighty seven yards a pick and less than two point nine yards per attempt on those standard downs against temple simple. The second part is to your point kind of I don't want to overreact to a sixty minute sample or renew. Temple Temple was more Gordon live. I think right saw pro money on the owls. Take that from like seven and a half all the way down to four so in knowing that it's like hey. Let's let's not overreact here. I've been disappointed by Penn State's defense in you hinted at at their inability to to not get off the field. I'm shocked. It's the unit that I thought would really be fighting for. Maybe one of the five most efficient defenses in the entire country right now three weeks twenty-fourth inefficiency they've faced three offenses whose average offense efficiency ranking is a hundred in eighteenth and it's not good enough on that side of the ball a lot the young guys as you mentioned lot of veteran guys that thought they would lose playing time transferred out right now the only saving grace for the Penn State Defense. They're causing disruption option a lot of chaos twenty fifth in havoc rate top twenty five in both sacks and tackles for loss. That's going to have to continue here in Maryland offensive line it was a question mark coming into the season. They're going to be without their best guy. Veteran Guard Terrence Davis SPRAINED HIS MCI on the Temple Game. He's out again just overall. It's been wildly disappointing I think for. ps US Defense Buffalo Hundred fifteen th ranked offense inefficiency outgained PSU BUFFALO OUT I down PSU twenty two fourteen pease's defense could not get off the damn field spent forty three minutes on the field against Buffalo's offense. You'll look against Pittsburgh outgained there again Pittsburgh one hundred eleventh most efficient offense hit out. I down them. The defense spent more time on the field than pits defense. I'm not really sure what we're looking at here. Maybe things change and helped the bye week came. this Penn state secondary returned six of its top guys is yet they're outside the top fifteen explosive pass defense that might anybody right like Idaho Buffalo and pit so this is foreign away. Penn state's toughest tests defensively against Maryland. What if Josh Jackson is on point again? I think it bodes well for Maryland but it's a big question mark for sure well Nice thing in this game name and Josh Jackson wasn't shy talking about his performance against temple pretty much said you can't keep replaying it because then it'll affect you big time moving forward the biggest thing for me in the offense to do. Oh plays weren't there against temple. It's just whether or not I was executing and make it simple I wasn't I've gotten a lot better at that over these last three practices. I think I'll be fine. I'm not worried we'll see graduate Brian. What's up practice? Hey Get your best Alan. Iverson running around the Philadelphia area. We're in that corridor sorts so an interesting game another less and we have seen money come in from professionals on the turps taking this from seven down to six and a half when we look towards later in the evening and of of course we'll go through these games and rotation or not chronological order for those folks listening at Home we look at Utah paying a five and a half point favorite total fifty six and a half at Fox bed and I guess the biggest question I have for you which team is better equipped to regroup his Washington bounce back from blowing a forty nine seventeen lead against UCLA or a Utah faltering down at the Coliseum yet again despite facing what appeared to be the Trojans 97th quarterback on the depth chart that's one of the the two big questions right and there's two of which which one kinda peels themselves off the deck and gets back up and then obviously how serious is the Tyler Huntley Injury and Zach Zac Moss injury top twenty five showdown so obviously we're breaking it down for you. Guys those are two really big questions surrounding this game and I would think Huntley is far closer to playing than mosses butch you have a mobile quarterback with a foot injury and that's that's not great moss dealing with the sprained. AC joint it's an injury that supposedly can take one to six weeks depending on the severity of it hurts by the way I actually had that I had surgery on my shoulder for day siege at one of the few injuries knock on wood that I actually picked up when I was an athlete you continue. Let's hear about this story. No it was took a shot. It took a shot off the shoulder and practice had I get cortisone injections every single Monday to get through the course of a hockey season they went in there scoped. It took some of the cartilage out but I can't imagine dropping net shoulder charge head on into defenders because I was Leery of taking snapshots off that particular while interesting men you you are a warrior actions for a backup what she had to get out there and get your reps and had to get out the reps are where are we going with this game Utah Offense. Maybe since we KINDA. Where do we want to start? I mean you want to start with the Utah Defense or you WanNa talk about Washington state offense. It was involved in the highest PAC act twelve conference game as far as yards points were concerned but I think Utah makes some sense against Washington state defense that was called out by their head coach for doc young any toughness and an inability to tackle yet. Let let's start on this side of the ball. I don't know if we want to spend a ton of time here but the matchups interesting obviously Utah needs to be physical and that's the question where can they do that of Huntley doesn't have his legs. Can they do that without Zac. Moss who's sixth in the country and yards after contact number. One in the entire country missed tackles forced big question mark. There Brumfield looked like he was capable. I'm I'm not sure why you didn't give it to a more the overall rushing looks good against USC but Utah successful in just forty three percent of the runs. That's not great in USC needed to in the big moments they seem to win the battle at the line of scrimmage which were stuffing Iran or getting after huntly who ran for his life all night long and that was a big question mark we had about Utah's offensive line. They were getting one in guy back but Huntley was the saving grace in terms of the sacrament metrics the first three weeks against a bunch of lightweight defenses once they stepped up in class against US's defense huntly was on the move all night. It sounds really basic but this side of the ball in this specific matchup comes down to who wins the point of attack. That's it I'm who can be more physical you mention this. Mike Leach came out. He was a quote machine this week. He's hinted at shuffling players around on defense because he needs to find guys that can tackle loose in soft. It's called his guys on defense is weak. That's not positive right. When you have Utah schedule? We've seen regression defensively offensively so far for Wazoo eightieth inefficiency. Those are getting back to numbers like pre grinch days before grinch was hired now. It's your to without grinch. The fall off has been big again not need to spend a ton of time on this side of the ball. If Huntley is close to one hundred percent and if moss us we're going to play I would say probably doesn't I would think this number would be closer to eight so I mean the and you mentioned the Utah Utah running back situation. I was surprised you moss is good but Brumfield almost like a bowling ball at five ten to twenty can be low detri- and bring down and if Washington state he doesn't WANT TO BE THERE UTAH gets out too quickly. We'll see how fast it snowballs. Are you mentioned coach liter anybody that hasn't seen any of the press clips or read some of his comments worth it's weight in gold suspend fifteen minutes to go through because he doesn't matter of factly basically trashes his entire team for everything they did and keeps a straight face throughout more or less questioning their manhood cell he drink. He drinks more water than I do too which is really interesting to see as he does. These press conferences I mean he just drains a whole bottle. It's it's really fun to watch lending his pirate. If you're out and you can see if you don't know where you're going to be able to get fresh water you gotTa make sure you're properly hydrated money. That's true Washington state's offense. We WanNa talk about that a little bit here. I think that's probably an interesting matchup. Yeah we may as well get into it. I mean we can give Anthony Gordon the heisman now if you're nine touchdown passes last week in the LAS. Ucla we want. I think it's like just Mike Leach the guy's a wizard I thought in most thought it would be gauged Gerbert as the starter but like Leach chose Anthony Gordon to be as quarterback so far paid off big time overall fourth most efficient offense right now they've hit the most explosive passes in all of college football. They lead the country in chunk passing in by a wide margin and I was looking at this this morning for some context. SMU whose offenses is on fire now SMU's top ten bannon chunk passing and Wazoo has one hundred twenty five percent more chunk passes than Smu so Anthony Gordon the receiving core. They've been fantastic. gourds gotta one forty one passer rating when the pockets kept clean so that'll be key here in this game the match up to focus on and I think you saw this firsthand Friday night with USC Dan you kind of mentioned it on last week's podcast receivers against the Utah Secondary and sure Jalen Johnson is a pro. He's probably going to be day day to guy in the draft but he's undersized. Julian Blackman is a damn good safety. He'll be drafted buddies making this transition from corner to free safety to fill a void loyd UTAH had in their secondary yet put on twenty pounds. I know we had the pick six in the Byu game but he doesn't look like he's moving overly well. I know he's dealing with a bit of a knee issue right now and when you put on weight and you got any issue like he's not one hundred percent. You can just see out there I think. US's offense was a shock to the Utah System. Maybe they handle things a little bit better this week but the use like hadn't played speed before they hadn't dealt with size or athleticism like they saw from USC the first three Games Byu was was eighty third and offense efficiency by one hundred and thirteenth and Idaho state hundred and seventh in the AFC in total offense so when you get USC that's eighteenth inefficiency. You're like crap what happened here right it. As a Hitman is what happened. I mean Matt Fink is what he was was supposed to be. The projected fourth string quarterback before the season alright all we've got to Matt and we're GonNa get to them later because Washington is again that we're discussing when you're considering transferring transferring from USC to go to Illinois. That's I need to know about your potential at the college level right. I mean it just but it doesn't bold well for Utah's defense when you allow sixteen yards per pass attempted eighty five percent completion rate on known passing downs to afford stringer so now you get wazoo offense they pass the ball all over seventy three percent of the time that's seven percent more than the second past happiest team and the way was you throws it. It doesn't put a lot of pressure on the offensive line just five sacks rendered all season so for for Utah's defense what shocked me right now is is their inability with that front seven to create a lot of negative place twenty four negative plays in four games only three against USC if Washington state can kind of lift themselves off the Mat and have some life here and that is a monster. If in this game they should have have some success moving the ball pitcher this when you look at the last two and you look at the last two years these teams have played Washington state is thrown for seven hundred fifty six yard. They don't need to run the ball effectively. They've done it to the tune of twenty seven yards total both resulting in cougars nice performances and you look at recent history between these teams six of the last seven meetings have gone over the total so contrasting styles have led us points on the board and it was interesting pain when you have a running back who actually played quite well all IMACS Borghese for Washington state calling out his teammates for practice habits basically talking about ball security. You have to wonder if Washington state will be less generous putting a football on on the carpet after what transpired pollutes last weekend. If you set the over under during Mike Mike Leagues Mike Leach's press conferences this week on like seventy four and a half on the phrase ball security and you went under you would have been a big loser and and not to like go too far earned supposedly the Sunday Monday Tuesday practices went well for Washington state so maybe they will have have some life here but that is the big question. It's tough to get off the deck after a game like that Yep. I think that goes a long way. I mean you're talking about college kids. The emotional factor is will look to exploit look deeper into the schedule from a wagering perspective. I think plays a major role here. In terms of assessing how this game is going to go to South Bend Indiana Indiana where Virginia takes their undefeated record on the road to take on the fighting Irish the Irish twelve point favorite right now total in this game forty eight and a half at Fox and pain when we look doc a couple of things I want to get to here one. I'm not GonNa lay her all these questions on you now factoring in the situational spot and what that may mean at handicap and the Irish but the other thing and we talk about about until we're blue in the face and I don't think recreational bettors quite understand it that you can come away watching a game being more impressed with the team loses than a team that wins and for me. I don't WanNa to put words in your mouth. That was my sentiment regarding. Notre Dame's effort down at Stanford Stadium Saturday night against Georgia Move Notre Dame up on our power ratings and Virginia down. I believe a half point in each direction speaks to to what my entree NYC house me man of few words. They're just trying to be concise for once well. It doesn't happen all kinds. We have to cherish the opportunity when it does where we going with this situational spot. How do you I mean I? I know you talked about moving up. The Irish is power rating but you worry about any sort of lingering hangover or does a game like that for the Irish knowing that he would have had a chance to win. Maybe if there's a pass interference call actually give his team confidence and that was kind of sentiment. I got reading some of the quotes about the players in how they felt they perform last week so when you look at Virginia obviously it was supposed supposed to be this sleepy spot of sorts but they exert a lot of energy have come from down seventeen right Notre Dame certainly a physical game on the road at Athens. I will know pretty quickly. If Notre Dame has the ability to kind of recreate that kind of energy that had this past Saturday night Brian Brian Kelly was asked about that during his early week presser and flat out said that Virginia more than half my guys attention no doubt he thinks they're going to respond in a big way in this game. We'll actually define who notre dame. Is this season so those are some pretty strong words from Brian Kelly Yeah you have to like that today. Come out and address that for sure the over look at Bronco Mendenhall. He was kind of quote machine usually a man of few words talking about how unhappy he's actually been with the Virginia Rush Defense with a lot of noise in those numbers. If you back out some of the sack yardage that's in there but I think let's start with the Virginia offense against the Notre Dame defense and we look Virginia. They haven't run the ball all that effectively one of the biggest guess problems at the Irish have encountered is stopping the run but they sure that up against a very talented Georgia ground attack. I don't want to throw out the Game Against Louisville in the opener. I I don't WanNa diminish what they did against New Mexico. That game was a route. We know they run the options. They were they were going to get there's pain. Notre Dame going to be ready for running quarterback given given what they saw from joon pass away back in week one for sure and you know these are the types of games. I think where we find out what each specific truly is right. Virginia's offense is doing just enough to get by and most of that is coming from Bryce Perkins. WHO's a one man show you look at the four games Virginia's played so far it's against defenses that average out to be eighty I and overall defensive efficiency the toughest test Virginia's offense his face? Today is Pittsburgh. I know you don't like him as much but I still think author a a good barometer and I think that's a game up. It's a road game opening week. I'll give him that yeah. It's probably a good gauge for what the cavs are going interface here head into Notre Dame. You'll get that game perkins averaged five point three yards per pass attempt three point six per rush once you remove the sack yardage from the equation. There's also also this big play element. That's really lacking from Virginia's offense right now. Twelve explosive passes in four games at the bottom half of college football. Only sixteen chunk runs despite having this this mobile guy like Perkins that seventy ninth in the country upfront also for Virginia. I know what the depth chart says that BRONCO RONCO released but they're dealing with some shuffling around that I think we should monitor their Virginia starting center had a hand injury right important Horton position last week so he has an injury to a snapping hand he couldn't play center last week against Odu he did play a few series at guard though came back out the replacement center Tyler Fan and then left the Odu game with an injury so it's important to monitor that interior your lines for Virginia this week for Notre Dame's defense. I don't know which defense we're getting right which one shows up Notre Dame right now now thirty fifth and defensive efficiency rejected them before the season to finish right around twenty so underachieving so far at this point as a whole despite the effort against Georgia Asia this past Saturday night which is incorporated into these metrics. I think it's clear notre. Dame's defense has improved since the opener against Louisville but I really believe Steve in my heart of hearts because I watched every snap of that game and did so twice that the Uber Conservative game plan from Kirby smart in Choline Frahm had a lot to do with how well the fighting Irish defense played certainly tackled very well. You just look at some of these numbers are pretty telling fromm was like check down Charlie last week completed eighty three percent of his passes on stander downs only average six ers attempt. They did a good job bottling up the Andrea Swift by his standards managed a forty four percent success rate so so regardless of of what Georgia didn't do offensively. I think that wasn't effort to build on for Notre Dame's defense when you look at the lack of explosiveness though for the broncos offense and how well Notre Dame is not allowing these big plays only giving up five explosive passes so far. It's really going to be on Perkins here to be efficient down to down. Sustain drives moved the chains and that's a tough ask at this at this level right to have an offense go ten twelve fourteen plays and not have a mistake not have a turnover. It's really tough to play at the college ranks that way offensively well. That's my takeaway. I mean you look at it and I think Georgia having to be more methodical noting any building some confidence actually bodes well for the Irish here and this is a game full transparency. I looked at the number and thought wow this felt a little bit rich. The more I dug my tune kind of changed that Notre Tame doesn't have to worry about Virginia having those game breakers on the outside. I think when you're in for your film studying you're trying to figure out ways to neutralize Virginia. You go ahead. I'm going to take away price. Perkins legs is I'm GonNa make him beat me as a pocket passer and show that he can do that. I don't have to worry about some of those things and a further your point when you mentioned Virginia some of the concerns on the offensive line you're telling me it's not a good thing thing when coach comes out and says it's still affecting US would love to get the right five and keep the same five healthy seems like just kind of get that there's an injury or two so we haven't yet to get that dial then I'd say that if that's a harbinger of things to come broncos a little bit concerned about the offensive line now thankfully Virginia though pain they can rely on a defense that is extremely talented any linebacking core that probably doesn't get enough credit with three veteran. They're anchoring that stop unit. Yes if I'm looking yeah Notre Dame offensively. It's all about book right now. The running back extremely banged up. I did see Jamir. Smith should be back this week at running back for Notre Dame that should be a big time. Get back for the Irish Ground Game Armstrong those still out I think he's targeting the USC game the positive though when you look this is Virginia also plays a three four defense just like Georgia does and so back to back weeks against a similar style defense could be beneficial here. Let's see what the game plan looks like. If you listen to Brian Kelly after the Georgia game he was asked why did he in book only have three rushing attempts in his response was I wanted to focus on staying in the pocket. That seems a little odd it. It certainly is tougher for quarterbacks to get out and run against it three or four but again it was just it's really odd. I I would think this offense when you don't have a great ground ground game if you have in books legs it's an added dimension that you have to prepare for in that wasn't the case so hopefully does run the ball a little bit more for Virginia's defense though in you mentioned they're great numbers in their fantastic but this is a monster step up in class and they've been great so far even with the schedule Israel factored in eighteenth and overall defensive efficiency eleventh in yards per play surrendered. UVA leads the nation twenty sacks third in tackles for loss right now. If you look at that Virginia Front seven they are causing a ton of havoc ton of chaos created two hundred eighty four yards of negative place through four games. It's just a ridiculous amount but this is the toughest task you look at Pittsburgh's offense William and Mary's offense F- issue an od you collectively on offense by our projections those for offenses average ranked the ninety s and offense or efficiency. I know F- efforts you stop twenty right now. That is a manufacturer top twenty offenses stations right. I'm just GONNA put that nicely the one area that's interesting and something to look for here. Despite Virginia playing that lackluster schedule of of these these mismatch offenses they've given up thirteen explosive passes and you'll look at in book. He's got the fifth best deep passer rating on throes of any quarterback in the country. If you're Notre Dame see if you can connect on an early big player to force Virginia's offense. That's not very explosive to play catchup other thing you want to monitor here. Though is the weather only Wednesday so obviously this can change but about a forty six percent chance of of some rain and wind at South Bend Right now as we record early Wednesday morning not forty five percent chance of rain or fifty percent forty six percent. You'd be amazed stuff we do with whether it was pr-. It's pretty good did the so far this season. We're we're pretty spot on what again if you only Wednesday morning you have to check it. It's partly why this total has come down a little bit but obviously recently again both these offenses have some deficiencies. That's the other reason why the total tick down from about fifty and a half to forty eight but whether also I'm sure if you're looking for you. Do you know other revenue streams. You can put together a meteorologist meteor. I can't even pronounce the word you can be an aspiring meteorologist and we'll get you fancy rain guests you Jim Cantore. He has a nice ring to it. You're joking and add in about two to two about to go to the moon. We'll have to take hold on a second. We're flipping flipping over. Oh yes so we'll update that number and we get to that game shortly aright Primetime Lincoln Nebraska Ohio state a massive passive seventeen and a half point favorite total in this game at sixty seven Fox back when we look at these two teams pain I think I have more questions than I do answers answers and star in the brask misleading final score last week against Illinois. I know what the final scores at forty two thirty eight but you dig into the box score six hundred seventy three to two hundred ninety nine in yards they were finished minus three turnovers. They had five drive start within their own fifteen yard line and a hang on for dear life. I shouldn't say hang on get to the CATBIRD seat seat and get out of champagne with a victory late in that game meanwhile Ohio State. They've done what you'd expect a team like this to do. They've steamrolled over inferior competition but clearly going to Lincoln under the lights going to be a massive step up in class for young quarterback Justin Field Yeah sorry I'm seeing seeing where this line is going to go here. I might saddle and double digits. I don't think it'll go much higher net yeah. I'm surprised but it's interesting to screen now. So Oh the buckeyes offense. I Love Ryan Day. I think our listeners know that obviously urban Meyer one of the greatest ever do it. It's going to be difficult all to repeat his level of winning right from an offense of perspective though I've always liked Ryan Day style better and I know it's easy to look at Ohio state schedule and just say like you. You know like nobody soft schedule but right now you look Cincinnati and Indiana have defenses that are top thirty six in defensive efficiency. Nebraska's defense is forty seven so Ohio Hi. Oh states face tougher than what they're going to see twice already so far this season I think the difference so far from what I've seen more vertical with Ohio state's offense undermine day we see some of the numbers they're indicating that Ohio states averaging point seven yards per play more than they did last season Buckeyes our top twenty five chunk place. They're getting some contributions from JK Dobbins. He's really starting to look like the guy we thought he could be so right. Now Ohio estates top twenty five and explosive runs. I know we had questions I think about Justin fields and our listeners might not know about them but there were. There's some really strong rumors among a lot of guys in the know that ten days before the start of this season Ryan opened up the quarterback competition again because Justin fields look look terrible he must be a Gamer because good God is he'd been fantastic so far right lights out we do with his legs. I think the arm is what's really really impressed me. So far. You're looking at just feels right now. He's completed over sixty five percent of his passes that have traveled at least ten yards in the air the adjusted completion percentage nearly eighty one percent and it's not this Duncan Dunk crap man. It's not this side decide stuff that we've seen from Urban Meyer. The average depth of target right now is like a whopping twelve and a half yards so buckeyes passing offense forty one chunk throws seventeen explosive passes so far. It's it's been outstanding and and so again I I think people thank you know off schedule. They've had to nice tasks especially when you're talking about an early portion of the schedule Nebraska's defense a AH. You've watched them more than I have. It feels like Jacqueline Hyde. I know there's a lot of critics around the Nebraska area that think. DC Eric Schinder is being into aggressive. I'm not sure if that's a thing right. I don't believe that really especially when you look at how Nebraska's bill and I think I've made this analogy with with Florida the state before right if you're defenses and overly stout and doesn't have a lot of depth which is kind of the case for Nebraska if you're going to give up points do it quickly right allowing these teams and opposing offenses to go on like these ten twelve fourteen play drive that eat up eight minutes. It's not good for your depth. Your offense also sits on the sidelines cold rhythm. You'd rather be aggressive right. Get a turnover pick up a sack that may lead to a three and out and then if you give a big place. Ob will be at the strength of your team. which is your offense gets back out in the field and they're informed so the one thing that I've seen from Nebraska's defense is it? It's had some moments right on the road in boulder eleventh most efficient offense in Colorado Nebraska's defense held the buffaloes to a thirty two percent success rate in that first half second second half. They obviously fell asleep at the wheel you get the performance they hold those guys under four and a half yards per play bless you forget the the the scoreboard last week against Illinois the final three quarters the cornhuskers defense held Illinois well below the national average and success rate including looting a fifteen percent success rate in the fourth quarter so we've seen some flashes from Nebraska's defense Saturday night you know under the lights first first time I would say the first big road start for fields let's see with this looks like if you can get some of these long stretches where it's for a quarter to I think that's going to go a long way defensively for Nebraska Seventeen and a half to healthy number. That's for sure well we'll get the other side of the ball in in a second and talk about Adrian Martinez what he'll have to do to keep the bucks defense honest but you mentioned the number pain in this Nebraska team was a stock that everybody wanted to buy the top of the the market all off season. We kind of Said Hey look here's the deal in the market is more than accounted for the optimism in Lincoln and we've seen Nebraska flounder where it matters most in the point spread department but this number is gone from seven and a half and look ahead numbers and game of the year out to seventeen seventeen and a half and I also want to ask you about how we might go about trying discuss the homefield advantage that Nebraska can have working in their favor before we get to the other two units on the field crime in Italy. You want me to give everything here. What is what you get? I just underlay out some of the things unless you take what you feel is the most interesting part of it. I put the unique pain insider spin on it so I'm not you know me right right. I'm I'm not like the huge bat percentage guy which you can gauge the vibe of what the feeling is about these two teams and it's so it's so wild from like a month ago. You mentioned the look a headline. This game was seven and Nebraska. was you know they were GonNa make a national national championship run baby in Ohio State had question marks internally quarterback and boy of the roles reverse stuns me there when you talk about the home field advantage advantage and I think this is really important and this is how a lot of pros find their edge in some of these numbers homefield advantage is going to shift dramatically like I'd love to give you you this answer and say hey homefield. Advantage is worth X. Every single time out. That's not the case right now I think we're using about a four and a half to to seven point spread on the value of Nebraska's homefield advantage and against. NYU was at the higher part of that against Ohio state. It's probably at the lower end of that spectrum spectrum because this is a team. That's obviously good right. We always talk about home field advantage being better when you're teams good or vice versa right. You're better road team. When you're deems good in Ohio? State plays a big environment. They've played in big atmospheres. It's within conference Oh the homefield advantage isn't as large for Nebraska Against Ohio state is it would be a team like you and that's that's kind of. It's a sliding scale and that needs to be adjusted every single week so I think that's good I wasn't asking for the XS and Os and the exact numerical value there I think it's just helpful to reinforce for some of our listeners out there who haven't done this for that long and you hear a lot of the talking heads out there especially in the NFL home field advantages ex well. No it's not an arbitrary value. It becomes a sliding scale certain environments different spots and I think just hearing you articulate. La Dad and kind of say that hey look yes. It's a night game in Lincoln but Ohio State's a good football team so it's not as valuable in certain instances goes a long way of course when we look at Nebraska. Their defense is one thing the success of this team especially on Saturday night he's going to be predicated on what Adrian Martinez and this offense can do you look at Martinez and the numbers he put up against Illinois only three hundred twenty seven yards passing one hundred eighteen yards rushing and so far this season he's completed sixty seven to one hundred nine passes sixty one and a half percent for over a thousand yards most among all big ten quarterback so far this season but they've been done in by the turnovers senior offensive output increase for four successive weeks eleven turnover second worse in the conference but when you look at this corn Husker team the one thing that jumps off the page to me is the amount and the ability of them to hit the explosive play yeah. It's it's been great in that regard this for me. I think is a great test for both these units. We're GONNA find out if each of these units is a leader not right right. We know what our eyes have told us we just kind of assume Scott Scott Rats offense with with Adrian Martinez a quarterback will be great. It looks like Ohio states fixes defensive offensive woes and seems better disciplined imposition and not give up these gobs of explosive runs this season which were plenty a year ago the the reality is though right when you look at Nebraska's offense they've faced four defenses so far and the best is you who ranks ninety second defensive efficiency average efficiency ranked defensively of the four opponents so far is one hundred for off Ohio state defensively the best. They've faced is Indiana Indiana the hoosiers. I believe were without their starting quarterback right yeah. I don't think panics was in that game yet. The other three games the the buckeyes defenses faced. Fau Cincinnati Cincinnati and Miami Ohio the average offensive efficiency rank is ninety second show. We're GONNA find out pretty quickly. What these two units are Let's see if Nebraska's can hold up in win in the trenches and let's see violates. Defense is really fixed. What we know so far is against is lackluster competition again? Scott frauds offense top twenty five in chunk runs top ten an explosive passing as you alluded to Spielman in Robinson have banned target machines in a game like this you gotta ask is Nebraska's allying and give Martinez enough time to make plays through the air and are they going to create enough holes in the ground game to be efficient efficient and those are two huge questions because through four games the cornhuskers aligns allowed ten sacks in thirty one tackles for loss forty. One negative plays in four games against Piss poor defenses. They've lost nine fumbles sure like a great deal of that fumble luck. It's definitely gonNA regress to the mean but a great deal of those fumbles are caused because Nebraska's offense is being stressed right now okay through four games for how states defense they've only given up seven chunk runs nine explosive passes. They've lived in the backfield and so you look at the Buckeyes they've created the second most negative yards of any defense in the country three hundred negative give yards created they're tied with Virginia with twenty sacks. They only trail Wyoming in tackles for loss so it's all about Nebraska's online holding up here if they can then it's on Martinez to make sound decisions with his legs make sound decisions in the passing game because the Buckeye secondary is elite as well allowing a sixty-seven sixty-seven passer rating when targeted so this is the match up. It's all about trench plan this side of the ball the other thing here since I am the weather man all of a sudden calling calling for about a forty percent chance of rain fifteen mile per hour steady winds at kick again check the forecast but that is still not enough to get me to even think about looking at the under here fan. I can't believe you mentioned only football in this podcast Ralph last week. I can't believe you mentioned my owning football. I wanted a moratorium mind cowboys and Craig Bohl for a week and a half and came up hooked went out there and violated that all when you get some interesting research I'm seventeen seven and just couldn't make that big play they had like trips to midfield up ten and just couldn't like end the game and then shifted momentum swung a bat went in Wyoming unfortunate injury. You could see kind of you know shoot a little bit of life into the team. They played chip on their shoulder was able to get their highlighted by Core Sean Chambers fumble on the three yard line that could even get over time this one of those ones we rooting for the field just have chance in overtime for shy. I digress. I digress one last thing on this show High State Nebraska game if you look at some of the recent numbers here overs have been the order of the day is pain mentioned buckeyes nine into over the last eleven on a highway Nebraska twelve and to over the last fourteen games and they've been installed as an underdog and the last has nineteen big ten games on the BRASK has been getting you to the window with alarming regularity going over the total fourteen out of Nineteen Games final contest contest that will break down here on this fine week five college football podcasts sees the Washington huskies playing host to the trojans right now numbers at Fox bet that Washington eight ten point favorite total in this game fifty nine and a half and pain. I think there's only one place to start here and it looks by all accounts Matt Fink. We get the chance to make his first start. As quarterback of Graham Harrell's offense as non Slovak has not yet cleared concussion protocol. There's a lot of injuries. Were talking talking about this week. It seems and good Games though otherwise right. I think this is kind of weak where you learn a lot more about these teams and we talk about data points eight. You can learn a little bit weak. One learn more week to now we start to get into conference play. These teams will take on an identity delegate challenge and this is where we have a pretty good idea of who these teams are going to be going forward. Yes and you mentioned Giddens Lavis. He's trying to pass the concussion protocol hasn't done that. Yet hasn't practice yet this week. Obviously it's first thing Monday morning. The trojans are on the West Coast so today and tomorrow are big days to monitor that situation. I Know Clay Helton oaten has been trying to find backups this week so far so he is used a walk on safety and a backup wide receiver to provide lied some depth thera believe safety brandon purdue and receiver Tyler Vaughn's are the guys that have acted as backup quarterback to Matt Fink they even one other thing think to say and I am sure you countered it. Which I found interesting? They apparently even reached out to Jack. Sears is still in the transfer portal interesting. I didn't see that yeah they had mentioned that they he was one of the guys they were going to try and do. I haven't seen any developments there but I found it fascinating that he was even a consideration yeah that is on this would be met thinks I start ever over right hostile environment. There is a drop off from Slovaks to think but I think giving some credit completed seventy percent of his passes eighty eighty five percent of his passes on known passing downs. That's typically not where you want your quarterback throwing especially a backup coming like cold off the pine so Kudos to think I think last week the question here is how does Chris Peterson. How does defensive coordinator Pete quit Hausky? I believe his name is attack. US's offense right we we know Washington likes to employ this like Ben but don't break defense with their five defensive back alignments but I don't know if that's the strategy like you really want to employ right like Byu in Washington play similar style defense so having having seen Byu already. You'd hope Washington comes up with something a little bit different right both of those defense. They liked to play this like drop eight cover three cloud defense. I get who you are in in. You're probably going to be who you are. When you have a quarterback potentially meetings I start on the road in this kind of I wanna see more man? I I'd like to see more pressure. Send more blitz allowing a quarterback to get comfortable completing like short intermediate throws would be like appearance sanity here. It's what gets you beat. Ask Florida state opening week against Boise State. Ah You'll let a guy get comfortable completing all these five to seven yard routes and you know that's what Graham heralds going to attack here because we've seen it. He's a former quarterback. He knows what makes him comfortable. He's been and fantastic with this revolving door at at quarterback for USC. It's going to be a lot of short passes initially to build some confidence here. Washington can't allow that I think things going to need some help from the offensive line and ground game that doesn't seem to be where. US's been very good so far. You're a little disappointing averaging six three point six Kerry for the trojans obviously like some good defenses they face so far right you have Fresno Yep Stanford United say that one tongue-in-cheek I guess Byu in Utah so four defenses that are in that thirty five to seventy rain defensive efficiency. It's tougher Hoofer on average than what the countries faced by and large rights or the numbers look better when you adjust for opponent but again like US's offense right now is quarterback based at has been. It's GONNA come down to Graham Harold like getting comfortable yet making plays. We know the weapons right you at. USC has on the outside. They're going to have to continue winning those those one on one battles rattles like they did against Utah. USC Top twenty five and explosive passing Washington is inside the top fifteen explosive past defense so hopefully they can limit those a little little bit huskies are around six yards per completion of fifty eight percent completion rate to me. I know the schedule doesn't look overly daunting but you look at the types of teams. They've played. They've they've face. Impasse Happy Attacks Right in Hawaii and eastern Washington at the F. C. S. level. I know it's an FC team eastern Washington's known for passing their top ten in total offense at the F. C. S. level so this is a different animal. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out a little bit but I'd like to see more pressure from the Washington Defensor COUPLA questions in we'll get to the other side of the ball that I want to pick your brain on Washington Secondary. We know it's been elite with a lot of NFL caliber talent flowing through. I'd have to imagine imagine that you've downgraded them a little bit this year and the follow up to that is we know the Graham. Harrell is an era disciple and there's a lot of principals in there. One thing that we've been able to set are watched by on college football. The last handful seasons is how well Washington has defended Washington state in the Apple Cup. Do we think we see some of that here and that's gotTa keep this Washington defense offense burning with confidence for the matchup against the Trojans you would hope so we we have downgraded the secondary a little bit right. It's just been like guy after guy getting drafted to the NFL NFL from the secondary but it is part of their system right in the five members of that secondary how they play their defense really helps them prevent the big play but but I just again when you look stylistically and I know they've done well as you alluded to verse the era but these Duncan dunk passes are GonNa really build some confidence for the question Shen becomes as Kenny limit the mistakes and that's you know. USC shouldn't have lost the Byu game. The turnovers are kind of decided and I think that's the hope here and that's just kind of the strategy and the style that Washington employs right make these young kids or eighteen nineteen twenty years old who have never been in this spot before not to mentally crumble right so when you you gotTa go twelve fourteen play drives eventually they think a penalty is going to stall out the drive or turnovers going to transpire and so I just want to see a little a bit more pressure. I don't expect lists like pressman coverage. Were sending blitzes sixty percent time. I don't expect that but I also don't expect that you want to allow think to get in some type of rhythm so that's GonNa be tested here but that's that's the general scheme in style of what Washington wants to defensively. They WanNa make you work. They WanNa make beach yourself and if think throws a couple interceptions perceptions how lopsided this game potentially could get other side of the ball. USC dealing with some injuries. We're not quite sure of Talanoa who fungus fourteen tackles in the game against Utah will be available and it's going to be an all hands on deck type effort when you see goes up against the man Todd mcshay has called the number one draft prospect not only the quarterback position but overall Jacobson you look at eastern so far and I guess he's been everything that you could expect from a quarterback learning a new system ten touchdowns just to interception adoption averaging about two hundred sixty five yards per game had his best game as far as completion percentage was concerned twenty four of two thousand eight in the dominant performance in Provo and Chris Peterson seems seems to be reluctant to share as but at the same time hey he's progressed. He's picking up the offense and this'll be a major test knowing that he failed the first time around in a game that comes with an asterisk back against cal at home is fourteen point favorites. Yeah that was an ugly game for him. Against the best defense he's faced. This one. Obviously is a step down downright. USC fifty second defensive efficiency potentially without one of their better guys USC will get after though and I think that's the big thing here right us he's got to be able to get after the quarterback Jacobson their their top twenty five and SACRI top forty in tackles for loss so they're creating these negative place great and a lot of havoc upfront and that's what's really going to be important here because Jacobsen. You've mentioned some of those numbers. The offensive line has been out of this world for Washington's only been pressured on twenty one dropbox this season. It's allowed them to really complete. Some of these big chunk plays down the field where Washington's sixteenth in explosive passing top twenty in Chung passing haven't gotten a ton from the ground game. I think that'll be key here as well right. Just nineteen chunk runs Sean mcgrew kind of taken this this role from the backfield by the horns provided some nice balance last week it was electric against Byu for explosive runs. Five is eighteen carries went for first downs believe he turned out six point one and attempt so eastern is getting some help and I should say a lot of help from that offensive line needs a little bit more more help from the ground game but again. I think grew kind of solidified himself. There is one of the top backs that's going to be the big question mark here but I think the huskies can do enough offensively here. They need to be good at the point of attack. That's one thing that really impressed me about. USC last week I know and you look at the overall number of rushing yards. It looks substantial but they weren't beat up completely against Utah Right you look they held Huntley to a thirty one percent rushing accessory Brumfield the forty percent Zac Moss twee. He's seventeen percent rushing success rate so they weren't really out physical there if you can make this offense one eventual four season to be a passer get a little pressure around him. We saw meaning crumbled against California. This obviously is a different task. You just have to wonder. UC's played big game after big game after big game game they went played. Byu At altitude than a short week game against Utah. There's going to be an inevitable flat spot downfall here you just wonder if it comes in this spot the line is pretty telling right and this could be just but discontinue tough spot for USA. Let me just put it that bluntly that was that was that was one way to try and articulate yourself there. Yeah yeah tough spot the number number is the number right. Now is give it away given secret sauce us. The number probably is perfect. If Slovenia is the quarterback affairs there we go that that is a very fair assessment in a game that I will go a long way I think in determining Kinda the PAC twelve pecking order when you look at USC getting off to a quick start in the south this game of course against Northern Division opponent and Washington appearing to need every single win they can pick up with how well Oregon has played after up to their season opening loss to Auburn neutral field big games pain all of them in the books we encourage our listeners as always to follow pain on twitter at pain inside or are you can follow me. There is why I taught for most importantly they'll follow the podcast at the board pot for all sorts of interesting updates and everything you need to get to the window ndo with regularity but we do pain have one final order of business unless there are other tidbits you wanNA share and games. We weren't able to deep dive today your comedian today. I make jokes generally speaking. 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The Most Epic Mascot Fight in College Football History

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The Most Epic Mascot Fight in College Football History

"The Dave Flemming I need you to know that we are celebrating two firsts today. The I I is the first anniversary of ESPN daily. Exactly one year today. Wow. Look a little golf. Clap for you. There you go. You're a big part of that year. So I take that golf clap and send it to our staff as well. The Second I. Is that this is I believe? Yes this is our first mascot themed show, and of course, you are the honored guest for that specifically. I have third I for you. What does that? I'm the first person that ESPN ever celebrate their twentieth anniversary at the company while trying to track down at mascot called Rufus. I have that going for me. This is not just any normal mascot story. This is a mascot beef story. What are these things look like? That was really interesting. Part of the story is that the way that these mascots were stitched perfectly fits the scenario of an ambush attack by Rufus the Ohio University Bob. Cat. He's a giant cat, Bob cat I should say and his eyes are stitched in a way that he looks like he's strung out on catnip and looking for someone to attack. And Poor Brutus is just this giant Buckeye nut head and his eyes are stitches in a way that looks like he's constantly surprised by something he just google. These two mascots, the way they were created. They were just bound for this sort of epic battle. Big Ten football is back after cancelling its season and then hitting undo be conference kicks off this weekend highlighted by title Contender Ohio. State. But when I used players take the field against Nebraska. It's the Buckeye mascot that will lead the way. And we well, we have ESPN's Day. Fleming. With the real story behind the day Brutus Buckeye faced the most infamous viral ambush of his life. I'm Pablo Torre. It's Wednesday October twenty first this is espn daily. Dave Flemming. I'd like you to take me back to a time where people could congregate in large stadiums and witness a spectacle. The date is September eighteen. You've twenty ten a decade ago now and the Ohio State Buckeyes or hosting their in state rival the Ohio bobcats a hundred and five thousand fans are packed in at Ohio Stadium. The Ohio State football team is running out of the tunnel. Their beloved Mascot Brutus is leading the pack. What happens next? The mascot may lay of the century. That's what happens next. If you were A. Fan You thought it was in bad taste and it was a cheap shot anybody else in college football thought it was the greatest thing they had ever seen before a game. These mascots are as different as the schools are different as the young men in the mascot costumes are different. So Dave to understand the battle of Rufus and Brutus, we have to get into the complex relationship between Ohio, university and the Ohio State University what are they like on a football level and a personality level? We spoke to a guy who was a Grad and was a longtime editor at the paper in Athens Ohio and he sort of summed it up. Perfectly. He mentioned that Ohio state there's football and then there's everything else. -ception. And the Ohio State Buckeyes, although I, national. Champions of the playoff era. Ohio. State is this giant powerhouse that no one can touch, and in fact they're twenty six zero against Max schools with an average victory of thirty points at least and honestly it could be double. State. State. GotTa make this a thirty four nothing. But Oh you feel superior in every other aspect, right in academics in college setting in alumni, and so they are required by the bazaar economics of college football to every couple of years go up to Columbus and accept their beatdown in exchange for money that basically funds their football program support. Remember that Ohio University a year ago. They were a team at Ohio state as sport every time they've had the football. So the Ohio State University. Football powerhouse that Gravitas it shows up in the sideline show as well. How to try outs for Brutus work at Ohio State. It's like a it's like getting a job at a bank I mean it is like it's a two day exhausting tryout where you've got to go through formal interviews with with Bru- tie alumnus, and the you have to practice in the suit you've got to come up with a skit I mean it's I got hired at sports illustrated with with less. With less review of my worst aim. Which I'm sure they regret now I'd vote counts but they take it very seriously and I think that's part of the appeal of the story is yeah. I mean Ohio State is is a great football program. You can't deny that but boy, they take themselves just a little bit too seriously. So who was the guy? Who made it through that intensive gauntlet to where the Brutus Buckeye costume on this particular day His name Sean stays in. East from Northeast Ohio whole family was big time Buckeye fans Buckeye alums, and he was basically just on a bus going to campus as a freshman and saw an ad for Brutus tryouts and I think he didn't make it that year but he came back the sophomore year and made it. And the fellow in the Rufus. Costume is a guy by the name of Brandon Hanning. How would you describe brandon? I'll describe him this way. Imagine me as a freshman in college and you've got Brandon. You've got rufus. He was a senior in high school. He lived grew up right outside of Athens where Ohio you is and Oh you almost upset Ohio state in two thousand eight and he was watching this as a senior in high school with his buddies. At the time mascot fights were really popular. There was a string of mascot fights that were going quote unquote viral before we even knew what going viral was watching the Bob cats get beat by Ohio state and having all these viral videos in his teenage boy brain. He had this sort of mascot. Beautiful. Mind moment. Like the clouds cleared and he had a moment of clarity and he was like, I'm going to go to Oh you I'm going to become Rufus and I'm going to ambush brutus basically my hero. So he gets the Rufus job and he's on his way, he's putting real work into his goal of getting brutus the following year but there's a big snag in the plan. Come Sophomore Year. What happened? Well is it a snag I'm not sure view the holy. If we go through the whole story, this is part of the genius but Brandon Decides to drop out of school right before his sophomore year begins in two thousand and ten, and so his plans to go through with the attack on Brutus are momentarily scuttled because he can't play Rufus. But out of the blue the Oh you cheerleading coach calls him not knowing that he dropped out of school and asked him if he'll be will you be my rufus again and Brandon? Decides there's no need to really reveal whether I'm in school or not, and takes the job, and the plan is not only back on he's now immune from any kind of punishment or prosecution. Again, genius. So. This long awaited day of reckoning arrives on September Eighteenth two, thousand ten and the aforementioned. Hanning who is no longer a student at Ohio? University. At this point, he boards the team bus on the way to Columbus and what does he tell the team once he's on that bus. I love this kid so much. They're like, okay. We're ready for our champions. I'm going to beat up brutus. Everyone just says, okay serious her sure not knowing that he had been planning this for two years. I think in the end. That's really what got. Ohio. You the most embarrassed was the fact that they just handed some random kid their mascot uniform before they went to. Columbus Okay coming up. Be Blow by blow of Win Rufus. attacked. Bruce. Looking for fresh premeasured ingredients and mouth-watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door. Then checkout hellofresh America's number one meal Kit hellofresh lets you skip those trips to the grocery store. Thank God and makes home cooking, easy fun and affordable hellofresh offers convenient delivery right to your doorstep for easy home cooking with your family. The recipes are easy to follow and quick to make with really simple steps in pictures to guide you along the way easily change your delivery days or food preferences and skip a week whenever you need. I myself tried hellofresh recently and it was super convenient. Loved the variety of recipes that came in the box and meal prep was a breeze on days especially when I have backed tapings and all these podcast interviews it's really nice to know that I have hellofresh in my fridge and that I don't have to worry about dinner that night. Fresh. Dot Com slash ESPN daily eighty and use code ESPN daily eighty to get a total of eighty dollars off across the boxes including free shipping. Your first box that's hellofresh dot com slash espn daily eighty with code ESPN daily eighty to get a total of eighty dollars off across five boxes and free shipping on your first box. So Dave this idea from Brandon Hanning from Rufus to have Rufus, the bobcat assault brutus the Buckeye this was not a spur of the moment thing by any stretch. How did this plot take shape? Basically I think brandon imagined it for two years. Bruce leads the whole entire Osu football team out onto the field. So there's one hundred and five thousand people in the Horseshoe and Bruce is the one who leads them out onto the field carrying this giant Ohio state flag and again, going back to the genius of this plan Rufus decided that if he could tackle brutus in the. Middle of this act then the entire team there would be sort of this like human car crash at the fifty yard line. They would all be falling all over each other and piling up at at Midfield, and so that was his plan. He was gonNA. Hover on the sidelines and as soon as Brutus made his appearance, he would begin running toward midfield in his giant cat feet. So what happens when Sean finally does? Get out there with the team as Brutus. Sean the way he described it was from inside his giant nut head and. He. I'm like I'm like, walk me through what you're seeing these like well, I can't really see that much because I'm looking through the mouth of the mascot head out of the corner my I, I see Rufus and he staring me down and it's kind of like. Seems like. It's like a bad broadway plays like rufus giving me the eye and as I get closer to the fifty yard line, Rufus just takes off running and I realize. The closer. It gets Oh my God. Okay. He's coming for me like this happening he's going to try and tackle me. In the mascot world the one thing you can't do is have your head come off and. So roof this plans for two years to carry out this attack he gets to midfield his technique is not great. He kind of does a week kind of side tackle instead of really just blowing them up writing. It's almost as if he lost his nerve a little bit and he sort of hanging on Brutus back and as Brutus is sort of shaking him off and trying to get free and keep the flag flying rufus falls to the ground and the cardinal sin of masquerading happens. His giant CAT head falls off. So. This doesn't go exactly. The way that roof is planned and after honor is restored and ahead is back on. Where does this all go? Well, Rufus decides that he's not done yet. He's already sort of infra diamond for a dollar DC's brutus running away. He sees his glory going towards the North End zone of of the horseshoe and Rufus. God Love Him. He puts his cat head back on brushes himself off and takes off sprinting again for Bruce. There are great pictures of Rufus sort of like tracking him down and sprinting, and it's almost like a bad car chase in in a bad cop movie but you can see him gaining speed, and by the time he gets to the north end zone. He jumps on Brutus is back and eventually wrestles him back down to the ground. How does this whole battle and? They continue to wrestle around in the end zone, and again because this was two thousand and ten and things had just begun going quote unquote viral I think this is a really interesting part of the story is that in the moment people now know what's going on people are shooting pictures and taking video and during their sort of like strange really not that great match in the end zone Rufus manages to sort of get his arm around brutus neck and punch him once really good right in the face where he Almost like collapses part of his book I head and this is important lesson in going viral because that's the picture even though the entire attempt did not turn out as great as Rufus at hoped that picture is what went viral that picture is what is hanging in bars and Ann Arbor on people's screen savers and fantasy football logos and what people love about it is it's a takeoff of the old Ohio state band dotting the I. On the caption is always here you go. Brutus I, just dotted your Buckeye for. Depending on whether you're an Ohio state fan or you like everyone else the final moment of the fight was rufus. He attempted one last low blow to Brutus Knob that that thankfully for everyone involved did not land. So. How did the authorities and by that I mean the actual universities in question? How did they respond? I talked to a guy who worked as an assistant s ID for Ohio state at the time and they were up in the press box and it was like watching A. Wrestling match people were like Whoa no oh my God, and they all basically had a good chuckle about it. Most people thought that it was made have been staged because most mascot fights are staged and pre-arranged, but this one wasn't but they decided to just you know, okay, they kept the mascots apart for the rest of the game weren't anymore incidents nobody was hurt. So Ohio state was just like whatever it's it's fine and I think everybody just kind of wanted to move on and have a good laugh but. By now, everyone has seen the tape of the Ohio University Mascot. Pummeling Brutus, the buck on amazingly the Ohio Mascot wasn't even a student at Ohio and was apparently obsessed with bringing down brutus. He said quote the whole reason I tried out with. So I could come up here in Ohio state and tackle Brutus Unquote Brandon the day after revealed that he wasn't a student anymore that he'd been planning this attack for two years and I think what happened once you know, Oh, you was embarrassed by the whole thing and ended up having to issue an apology. Ojo State fans how did they react if the authorities were sort of okay with moving on from it were they similarly Emotionally situated. Again God love obey were. Yeah. Most of them did not take it as well as as Brutus. There were calls for Brandon to be arrested. There were Grad students at Ohio state that referred to him as generation wise version of the UNI bomber. There were several attorneys Sean that we got several solicitations from Columbus attorneys who wanted to help him press assault charges. So Yeah, the Ohio State faithful did not think it was funny at all. Where are Brandon and Sean now and says I guess we get into like an actual big ten season I'm just fascinated like. Where do these particular characters in college football? Lore where are they and how do they look back on this incident? Well again I talked to Sean Sean was great and he actually never got to get again here's another fascinating part of the world of mascots at the time Sean was forbidden Bruce doesn't talk and so he was sort of forbidden from weighing in or even saying that he was fine and Sean took it very seriously and in fact was he's on partial scholarship and he couldn't really fight back. That's the other thing people don't realize he was worried about getting suspended if he fought back so. For the first time ten years later really for the first time when he got to weigh in about what he experienced and what it was like and the whole episode, but he is a sales rep for A. Business Technology Company in Columbus and got a beautiful seven month old son and he seems to be doing great and again, the person who has the best perspective on this whole thing is brutus. He still laughs about it and thinks the whole thing is hilarious and as for Brandon. Our Hero. What's up to now? I wish I could tell you that he had gone on to become like the philly fanatic or the San. Diego chicken or something like that. But I think in keeping with the beautiful strange nature of the story Brandon didn't WanNa talk about the episode. And so I may have set a new record for messages and text messages and voicemails and contacting family. But after weeks of trying to reach Brandon, he ghosted me Rufus ghosted me again another highlight for my career. but the, but what we could find out about brandon just through social. Media. On one of his social media accounts he's listed Barbados says as his residence and another it mentions that he's training to be a tugboat captain probably on the Ohio River and honestly perfect. So you're saying, there might be like a shawshank redemption kind of postscript to the beautiful trajectory of Rufus. I'm not kidding I'm sticking around until my thirtieth anniversary and we will get I vow to you right now Pablo I will get brutus and Rufus together in a room. Dave lemming. Thank you for joining ESPN daily. My pleasure Pablo go out and attack this day like you were Rufus. Up next why I still believe in fits magic even if he's on the bench. 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A fact that I continue to find stunning I knew his replacement rookie to a Tunga by lower was gonna take his job at some point to was the franchise quarterback V number five overall pick fitzpatrick is the veteran seat warmer. But consider how cozy be now famously bearded thirty seven year old has made that seat this season. His three and three dolphins who just blew out the forty niners and jets or any playoff hunt in a wide open. AFC. East and the most advanced metrics from QBR TO EPA CPO. They all say that it's magic has been playing like one of the top ten quarterbacks in the entire NFL. To has thrown all to passes both on Sunday for nine yards total. But I should disclose something here. I am not rooting against to. At all and Fitzpatrick is not either on. Sunday. When two got into his first game since his hip injury a year ago the man he calls a mentor was waving his arms literally cheerleading. In fact be real reason I want all that Fitzpatrick stock is also the real reason I am stunned by the sudden quarterback debate. I cannot believe that Ryan Fitzpatrick is still out here doing it seventeen years after I i. saw him and doing better than ever actually for all the turnover and turn overs in his career. It feels insane to me that he still matters vis much in the NFL. Just imagine the arc of that stock chart from seventh round pick two more yards of total offense than but twenty six players ever more than Steve Young more than Jim Kelly Fitzpatrick has thrown more touchdowns than all but thirty three quarterbacks ever more than Terry Bradshaw more than Kurt Warner. and. Each of the eight teams he's played for over sixteen seasons and counting. Seems to consider him not just a genuine leader, but one of the best human beings they've ever employed ESPN's Cam Wolf quoted eight different people with Miami just last week. All testified that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the single most of player in the dolphins. Locker. Room right now. And right now despite all of that. Ryan Fitzpatrick finds himself warming the bench. But. You need not weep forfeits magic or sell your stock. Because if there is one thing I've learned after seventeen years. It's that fits magic is never over. He'll be back somewhere someway somehow. He always. I'm Pablo Tori. This has been ESPN daily I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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A Super Bowl Preview! (if by the Super Bowl you mean Ohio State football and Ohio as a place)

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A Super Bowl Preview! (if by the Super Bowl you mean Ohio State football and Ohio as a place)

"Blue. To the shutdown full cast. Oh, man, what a treat. You know? I think normally when we're in the off season, we enjoy examining, you know, who we are as both the sort of, you know, college football fans in culturally where where we sit in all this. But there's one thing that for me has always been a a source of wonder fascination and also confusion, and that's that's the midwest, and in particular, Ohio, and I don't know if he gets this quite as much as as Ryan would Ryan you and I both lived in Florida a good thirty percent of people. There are overlapped. They came from Ohio to Florida or they are in Florida hiding from someone in Ohio, and you don't ask him any questions about that. You just let them go. And meet him at the sunglass hut. Is this is it baffling to you as well. As a as a person who spent considerable time in the sunshine state. The overlap between the two and the differences. The overlaps not baffling because like this is that sort of thing where you know, people are surprised that there are rednecks or racists, or whatever in parts of the country that aren't the American South people. Go be like boy, I went to I went to Minnesota and they're racist. Yeah. Man. There raises everywhere. It's amazing. How that were. So like the overlap doesn't surprise me. Because I assume you're talking about like, the kind of people who think on a make my own fireworks. And the fact that there are now, that's Tennessee. May I don't know. That's the that's pretty strong overlap there. I don't know this Kate. But there's difference in Tennessee is I'm gonna make my own fireworks. Because this family has done that for generations in our and craftsmanship thing in Florida and Ohio. It's I woke up on a Tuesday didn't have anything to do. What if I made my own fireworks affair, so? But the difference is the differences are more interesting to me because Florida just seems like it's more it's sort of a flame to the dirtbag off. And I don't understand like I get I get why people I get why dirtbags come to Florida because you can flee to the ocean. And you know, Florida's just sort of made for dirt bag behavior. Ohio doesn't feel like it's as well built for that. So so that that confused me a little bit just like geographically is not surrounded on water by three sides. Right. Like that to me like the sea will always small aches. Right. But also Florida's never said a river on fire. Yeah. Not for lack of trion. Yeah. That's true. So in other words that end. Yeah. In other words, the full cast tradition of getting really accomplished people to you know, we're going to bring we're gonna bring their rent down. Basically, we're going to get them on here. And we'll ask him about. You know, we'll ask him about topics, you know, dump topics we care about and they're going to sound real smart about it. This is we have a guest tonight to help us understand the mysteries of Ohio house, date, Columbus and other things at Holly. I'm not the guest. Sorry. No, our guest tonight is Hanif dorky late of our beautiful short lived run at MTV. He's an accomplished poet. He his third book is about tribe called quest. It's fixing to come out. It has an amazing start cover that. I'm going to ask him about later. We tend to always try and get the cover writer of poets magazine on the show at this time of year and in keeping with that tradition at Haneef, welcome. It's been too long. Brings y'all for having me. Can I tell a funny for the Ohio story that involves a hardware store that look like a strip club? Please. Do you must sixteen. I've already given the ending. But I used to be in a relationship with someone parent. What's like, many Ohioans in rural Ohio would like take the holidays and just go to Florida in? So that means that I would have to not have to. But you know, I'm I would find myself making very long and tedious room or high corner. And the first time we went we can I don't remember what this I know. It's like a little past Jacksonville. Where a lot of the older folks, I'm trying not to be angel. A lot of the more seasoned veteran. Of our kala were would there'll for the holiday and the first time we went we called in to bear like on their streets. It was like three in the morning driving on night and across the street from their house was this gigantic this gigantic structure, which I gave the store with red and green and blue flashing lights like coming up from the ground and eliminating the like storefronts and all you can see is the were babes like the word bathes. This point. I was like well, your parents live across from what appears to be a gentleman's club. Which of course, you know, like, I it was like not with mostly not expect. Then when I woke up the next morning, I realized it was babe hardware in a hardware store. Old partners. Father was like I'm going to in the morning like I gotta run over to to grab something. And I was like, oh, no way man like. He just needed like male who put up the Christmas tree. So that that is my I haven't been back to Florida. Well, that's not true. I was happy last year. But I haven't backed the port for pleasure into the one. That was a pleasure, but it was gay. Alec that you mentioned that that Ohio like we was just they would just go to Florida for the holidays, implying that like there was a kind of lack of planning or pointlessness to it like we're there. And isn't that the holiday even if you were just hanging out at like an outlet mall? I like to description as like an unfortunate condition. Yeah. We were just there. In simply believe if I take like as I mean, a lot of folks in on, you know, rural Ohio is very much. Even if it's northern rural Ohio, there's an evacuation with the southern aesthetic. If I know I I joke about confederate flags or or not joke. They're real. They're all over the phone. But they're all over the place here. But I do think that if actuation will by how quickly can be kind of like age out of this rural landscaping slowly plantar flag. Some Arkansas flag somewhere more south. So yeah. I mean, I think a lot of folks slowly matriculate in a begins with the holiday, right? Like folks like holiday holiday in Georgia. And then it's like all I'm going to spend, you know, all the winter months here. And then before you know, it was like I'm here how year or I'm selling my land because you know, how folks can just get a lot of money if you have land that could be armed you can rent it out and makes absurd amount of money it, so you really don't even it doesn't even matter. If your house is on that land the land is let provide the money for you to live somewhere else in right. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like the the destination that people have them there. On their forever may boards. It's like a migratory bird that Devon up that sort of like. Jackson anymore. It's fine. Sorry. I'm sorry. What is what is unusual about? You know, please don't get personal place. Don't get I. Let me ask you have ever spent Christmas in my. Am I get cold bind play? I don't really know. How bog Golic live wherever y'all win. So. Yeah, I have I've lived in New York for. I'm from Tennessee. So we occasionally get snow rights usually fifty five raining, right? Yeah. I've spent plenty of cold Christmases at this point. Although I never had as a child. So it's it was very foreign to me until Ryan lives in New York. It's it's fine. I'm a failure. And I don't care. I was thinking that the state I think that like warm weather Christmases mealy bug in. So I didn't also need a big I didn't grow celebrating Christmas at all. It's gonna concept of several million Christmas me. But now, I'm kind of going on my my, you know, but this year, I spent Christmas in Mexico, which love decidedly not go in. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm ever going to in in Christmas, the combined into though Brady I don't have which the affection for it. I don't have any kind of romantic about it. And so the thing won't love most Chris storing up where just pure aesthetics like mites. The snow the cold info at this state with my life. I'm being really jarred out of that. Because, you know, for at least what I imagine and hope for the foreseeable future wanting spending Christmas in like, warm, weather, like Arizona, or Mexico rice. So what you need is. Like what you need is like instead of the holiday, you'll log you need net. Flicks to come out with some hour long thing. That's just like here's a window that appears to be looking onto a snowy like a snowy embankment with Christmas lights in the background. So you can get that vibe. And then you can still wear shorts in like have a cocktail. I would love that. I would really love that problem off debt. Now, you you also you grew up you grew up in Ohio was it in the Columbus area. Yeah. Bordering columbus. And now back in Columbus Oakley forever. But with that Miami nation, you know, in terms of Ohio State, and in terms of just that that culture, it's always somewhere between like I just have to list like intercept to make an objective Corlett of of it. Right. Like, I just have to go. Okay. The tannin wash. Owning across a gym. That's really just in your garage. A sweat shirt. Right. You know, supplements various supplements just like it is to those who have been to an Ohio State game. There is an intense, bro. Hemed them across the board that it's really unparalleled anywhere else. And that's just me going to games there. Right. Very cold games that concrete that concrete is engineered to get colder. I don't like it has its engineered to keep cold in repel heat. I do not know how they did. It engineers metal it is it really is like it's medal as hell. But is that is that sort of the read just unlike maybe not on Columbus as a whole? But certainly, unlike Ohio State and everything that sort of surrounding it. I mean, the percents we just don't stay in big on the right? They're like I feel like I should actually come clean about people. Yeah. Right now. I though I mean from Columbus in so by just the fault, I'm gonna hire bait and to some degree. I grew up in Texas fan a UT fan in some I was a very intense UT fan for a lot of years like from the James Brown, James rambles. A I in the backyard number like absolutely loving. But because I live in Columbus by default. You know, like, I just no way too much what? Hi, football and root for house. Eight women putting Texas which unfortunately, there was a run where that seemed like it was happening all the time. Basically. I didn't go to make because and I think people just assume I went to high Columbus of now, I tell people that I did. But I played soccer in college and a higher favorite kind of like you can walk on. But it was kind of like one of those you can walk on the dodge like, but you're never gonna play. Like, oh, I should go somewhere else. By say. I think I'm really fortunate because I got to witness to really great eras of Ohio State football, which I think urban Meyer era, I think we'll look back on they probably for I'll be three. But I love the kind of absurdity of John Cooper era where like the dude could just like recruit really well, and so every year Ohio State would roll out these absurd rosters. But then something dramatically back. I kinda love that. I love being a witness. I love like, you know, Eddie catching Moyer not making grades and love, you know, watching them repeatedly lose to Michigan on it because I take pleasure in which is kind of. It's very very Ohio thing close the not law clerks for for the longest time that was a deal that Ohio State was was your was America's second place team. Always like all. And there was like there's kind of a comfort in that. 'cause you go, you know, what there's something beautiful in relatable about that. Yeah. It's it's, you know, jacket, man, great. Everyone's going the NFL, and we, you know, occasionally get big pops like those Ohio State teams underrated for this. The big pop like they always have one sort of highlight that he SPF latch onto a maybe somewhat problematically. I don't know if you remember when Ed. Dekalb's and more rounded the corner on an option and broke Cobi Jones face from Missouri. That I was like, yeah. I was like I was like that's the most high. Oh shit. I've ever seen. What is it? But you guys cheering when a man gets hospital is for broken face. Any is fans. Like, really man, you got lit up. We used to do that. I thought kept Himalayas back here coaching now like many Ohio State legend who came up in the Columbus area. Like a lot of them end up not leaving. Right. But I mean calculators the most notable, but he's like back coaching going old school eating. I love. I also loved the triple air. But I think that I was. Really into the trestle era. Win the championship run happened because it seems so improbable cause Craig criminal the quarterback. And I know good in Columbus. All kinds of things about like, you know, people would really try to convince them stuff like Craig criminal was very good. When he was obviously like extremely limited. But but one of those quarterbacks then, you know, what's scrappy, and the the the whole thing that people say back quarterbacks finnick, what info just know how to win and people might talk about Craig with Ohio State. Look a literally loaded. You know what I mean like offense of line? Yeah. Wider see like they won't team with about it. And they'd be like, well, you know, Craig criminals, just like strapping by we don't know how you're gonna week after week. He's just somehow Willis team the victory. No. No. We don't like a lot. What was a lot of all of this job? What I don't know. Why we don't do? We don't do that with like animals. You know, it's not like. Yeah. Man. The penis worm. He's just getting things done. He just knows how to win just finding a niche just just just just say niche there. Yeah. I did super necessary. Also, I like that. This is the first animal you went with what's wrong with you. I was just thinking, you know, like like surrounded by like the most successful like animal like in in like the world L, right? Pena's worm? What the human the human piece, right? Like states is big nice organism. Right. Like, oh, boy outstanding pattern of survival and thriving and all of a sudden like this forums like I'm the champion. Right. You know, you're just like, man. I can't you're disgracing. Joe Germain's memory, right? I thought you were going to say Joe bowsman. Is that possible to disgrace, Joey bees? I remember Germain largely why remember does remain because he was often in a quarterback battle with the significantly worse. Every Jackson, but also don't judge remain because of the chin Dan bids that he had to wear. Maybe if the fiesta bowl or something you got I just remember he got hit by someone. He's his chin got like cut open and you have to finish the game wearing a Tim bandage. It was pretty young on the. But I've just had this thrilled memory of Joe Germaine being close even like blood on his white jersey in a ban is obviously soaked in blood, and that was like the, you know, the kind of with ballots and built around that especially here. It's like everyone was kind of performance blue-collar of it all was like, he's just such a gamer, and he just such that that has its drawbacks obvious. No one. I enjoy anything urban Myers. Herb the urban Meyer Erez like complete lack of respect for that. They're like, yeah. What we need is a gritty quarterback. He's like here's a guy runs a four five to throw the ball, seventy yards downfield in Ohio State fans that like that's cool to know. That's cool had has Hansen the here. That like the most Ohio State quarterback. Traditionally is the one for whom it looks the hardest. The one everything requires maximum effort and nothing it never looks easy. That's the the highest convex it. It's like the tax nominal opposite of Roger Federer. Right. Right. No, oh my God. That's actually. Back into play. Dying. And that's my card L Jones was so confusing because it was just like, wait. This doesn't hold on. This doesn't look hard at all. When I was I should've all his limbs at the same time. What is this shit? It's the best thing about cardinals occurred Italy, but you just can't walk into. Oh, he just did just walked it. And but type back tiny Backman. He's he's Todd Beckman's anaerobic from the minute he starts, he's. I'm kidding me. Burning ATP over the we'll see with with cardio. It looked easy though. And for good right with the first game was like, a wait a minute, right baby. Can't read a defense at. All. Right. Maybe he's a you the ball, really fun. You know, why cool like that was really great to watch. And I trust to be like I was there to it on. And I loved the allergy of like next guy up kind of. But also, I think the people didn't imagine that maybe urban Meyer, sir. Good at coaching quarterbacks. I mean, my maybe the whole just serving Myers thing. So all these and I remember a slow realization in Columbus a year after the table kinda like, you know, a couple of games people like oh cartel. You know, he'll get it. It's fine. And then a couple couple more games like a low. You know, maybe not that. I mean, it's not like, and I think that happens here too. The machine and you can turn on a dime of people love love higher quarterback. And don't, you know, everyone loved Braxton Miller until until you're playing wide receiver. You know, if they love the mix for the different way, everyone love wreck quarterback until I found out that he could maybe not be a quarterback. This episode is brought to you by American style from CNN did, you know, Jackie Kennedy used fashion as a form of diplomacy when she visited France, she warned outfit from French designer Givenchy instead of her favourite American designer and historian say it worked American style is the new CNN original series that examines how our country's changing style through. The decades has mirrored the political social and economic climate of the time American style. Now streaming on CNN go. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it seems smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seems smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it tell a friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. I just thought like Braxton Miller you just go. I think your collarbone your collarbone aren't quite up to code, right? Like, there's just certain guys get on the field at quarterback and Meyer. Does this Meyer Meyer did this with pretty much, and we'll do it again when he takes another job in three years. Notre Dame ears two years. The Notre Dame. Notre Dame's can open up the up. But when that happens like those quarterbacks took kind of like he'd run up the middle on him. Like he is a bit fine bone for the demands of the QB power up the middle. He's he's pretty for this put him on the perimeter. Let him embarrassed somebody. Everyone know that read option is not like a lot of people are waking up in the morning of. I would love to just have my health be determined by split-second decision. Every ball, you know at the. And my long and my career. Yeah. It's well, I mean a problem. Funny about football, particularly that reedited again this year is then I think the worst thing that happened in the in the national the Hieaux realm of football that state when it's like that Italy like no disrespect to watch. But you know, they played Washington. You know, what I mean, like, Washington fine? But they should be Washington. That was good. But also because. You got like well surely could be Bama, but. We go through this all the time every every year like, surely, we could be ban LA or surely we can beat like insert SEC power. You know, many? But also, probably not, you know, sort of this year are years conveyed with this one that year, and I think highest state fam- have just a deeply rooted bitterness SEC because of the forty those like years, they lost the Florida. There was that year. This issue was best up your lost four in football is later in basketball. Yeah. That was two thousand two thousand six six. I remember that year the football year because I remember having a real real as Asian. I was watching sports with some kind of whatever small highest fans and earlier in the day, my friends, and I all talking, oh, you know, choice choice with Beverly he'll be fine. He can he's wobble. He can outrun. But you've got the linemen in any SPN. So graphic that was like, you know, both afford is wandering around the same time is reasonable one will staffer in now. Well, but I do think that you can look it has like this. Account by deceptive nature to it. We're like that year choice. Smith just ran loop intuitive. It's rambling was useful. And he looked quick and then against four he looked like, you know, he looked like an offense lineman back there if our call, Hugh, I gained a little weight between. He had my hand. Maybe the worst case of buffet bloat from the award circuit that I've ever seen. And this is say that like he went from you know, 'cause I am in cut peak physical condition myself at all times, but he went from he went from basically like a perfectly fit F B S quarterback right to an F B S quarterback who had gained ten pounds at. That's it. Right. And then to heighten to heighten the gain he had Earl Everett, right? And every other single swamp monster on our team right on the on the defensive line at linebacker chasing him in the backfield sometimes without helmets on that was the game where all Everett lost his helmet and still got after choice, which is the point where I knew we weren't going to win the game. But we were going to full asset. You're like, oh, yeah. This is. But you know, who really bears the blame for that is not a high estate its. Again, because in Michigan had not been pissing and moaning about oh, it should have been rematch. Florida doesn't belong there. We should have just played the game again. But for the net. Like, I think than Florida would I still think Florida probably wins the game. I don't think they take the effort take the time and effort to be like, no, we really wanna show you. How lucky you are that it wasn't you Michigan here in our play. If necessary every now, and then to like beat listen, I think the the fine fellows that university of central are probably great in mare wonderful in many ways and making the underdog that's myself like paying capable of anything. However, I think you know, you get talking shit it man like we want. We wanna play everyone. It's like, no. And like. More to lose by what you know what I mean? And I know that was a good year for you. But I don't think he's one of the play Bama or Clinton or. Habit. And I think find some not it. We're finds perhaps have it in might be mad you haven't. But. Yeah. I mean, I think every year high Bates not championship game imagine, but they could be championship game. But also as long as they keep being Michigan. You know, there's the reality of like why are they could will eat could win to game. As long as one of those. She think people here, it'd be pets especially the manner in which they've beating Michigan lately, you know, there was like I know that Michigan has the stay in my adult life like post, you know, late in my twenty close my counties, but I can't remember I can't remember what happened probably it had that year that like fickle was coaching. But I don't even know for sure. The the the year that the Florida again oh have state, but it was in the tax slayer dot com. All. Ear. But I I I love they still made a bowl that there's probably took me bowl. But I'm glad explainable that was the one that they that was the bowl that they took that that. I believe invalidated a better bowl claim later that hubris bowl. Yes this. Yeah. This is the boot they played in and then had a bowl banned the year. They went undefeated. We got to see Notre Dame gets. Absolutely trampled by all Bamba. How did you keep getting these rules? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's a street in Columbus. That is what was the twelve hour whatever after that happened. They renamed so lane avenue in Columbus bait at the intersection of Wayman highway, Ohio sleep will have everywhere. But we're high fails prominently is they rename the street champions way the year after they won the treacle championship. In the year when they went undefeated. But didn't get to TOTO bowl game. They renamed the other side of St. twelve in boulevard or something. What? Like, that's just your town. Like, it's not like you to somebody. If you went somewhere else and said, okay, south bend. We swapped out your street sign its own state twelve lane. Don't give saints fans ideas, we five days. Are you kidding me? They're probably like writing to the supreme court right now. So. You'll know that the state I mean, I'll probably because you're like experts of the narrative is college worth was general, but do you know, the highest fate Michigan goping over? Yeah. I do not what's yes. It's the border war. Yeah. There was like a world. Like, this is like a long convoluted story in my layered no-one, someone bought like like war, but really no one for for a long time and Mike someone son, but when a male opener to fighting stabbed a police offer. But at the end of it all the exchanges that essentially the exchange was at Ohio Toledo in Michigan guy. But with over peninsula. So I I don't really won't do who what are lost that war. But, hey, if you're if you're a fan of frost, if you're a fan, if you're a fan of like, seasonal alike affective disorder adult fins than a Michigan got the upper hand there. That's my. Oh, yeah. Man, like tucked like people from the UP are are mad. They scare people for Michigan. This is I'm looking at this at the time. Michigan's governor was twenty four years old. They is the oldest man in the state. His name was Stevens t Mason. And he was known as the boy governor. Are you kidding me? Did he go onto quarterback for? Excuse me. What year? Did he go on quarterback for George Mason Stevens? He was seven for twenty eight against Florida nineteen forty two. He was a good seventy three years old. But it's problem. Don't have a twenty four year old governor. This is a terrible idea. I think it's also taking up with neck complete outs. Wonderful and and gave us the great college career of Columbus, Ohio football budget might wanna who went on to play from the saints who are gathering the fictional. Well, I just kind of think that it's very or something for something entire nation of boy governors. Another thing that the same. The Rams cornerback who who committed EBay blatant Pakistan today that something money? Tom Brady's two older is. Oh, no. No, no. It's it's better. It's better quote than that. Somebody's gonna be crying into his poor enlargement mirror. Six hours listening to 'cause 'cause keep in mind. Like, I sorta think that like, you know, he's gonna he's gonna take a little bit and ask what in this game because just because Aaron Donald sitting right there, and Aaron Donald is not human Aaron Donald is is one of is one of our our pet causes because he was one of the, you know, you get to draft season you get around this time of year and NFL scouts. Discover people that we've been screaming about in some cases, they were software high school an era. Donald was one of our. Sometimes sometimes you get it wrong. But he he was one of our our great loves like a lot of not only because he went to Pitt. Unlike a lot of really great NFL players mysteriously ended up at a school that did not wasn't commensurate with his future talent, right? If you look at look at a lot of great NFL players, you're like man eras where Where'd he go to school cow Boone state cow. You know, and then like a community college before that, you know, you know, or Aaron Donald who went to pit. I mean, no disrespect fit. It's fine. It's just not where you expect to find the greatest defensive lineman ever born, right? But that defensively in addition to that they've got Marcus Peters who Marcus Peters is live unfiltered on Instagram at all times. And I mean in real life, right? Like, it's just treasure. Mark Zia, Mark, Marcus Peters is I believe he's. Yeah. He's from Oakland, and very much has very much has marshawn vibe when he's talking about things except marchant if he were a db, which means the shit talking is ten times as intense. And then there is a Nike Roby who said this. This today of Tom Brady. That's Nike Roby Coleman. He said of Tom Brady. And I quote age has definitely taken a toll on patriots QB Tom Brady. Maybe who's calling him ugly. Is that a burning AP style? Which is that. I want patriots QB Tom Brady later now now, and then was asked he said, but what about it because well, you know, I think he's definitely not the same quarterback. He was movement speed lost the arm strength. He can still sling, but he's not slinging as much. He's not doing as much of what he used to do any more. Yeah. Who will mung us slinging it like we used? Yeah. I mean, this is this fine. Right. And of course, later on he had to come back and say, this is a great compliment. At cetera. Yeah. He's forty eight say that about him. Forty one. I do think I'm getting a little exhausted by the merit of imparting largely being Bill of the patriots fans. Like, but no one believe in there. Come on everyone. It's really. I watched that she's game. I left the end of that. She's him knowing the patriots. We're gonna win the whole time. Most people I think that she's game understanding inevitability patriot. And it's just weird that during Super Bowl weekly gets this one. How we make it here. What no-one and all who coincidentally this is the problem that I have with saints fans, which is. You won the Super Bowl you came back and you won the Super Bowl. You're not scrappy anymore. Stop it. So I I get agree with an e f- until today. I realized we should just embrace what the patriots are doing because then we can use that as a back channel to just be like. Yeah. You know, what you were a shitty team all year, and you fucking sucks, and you didn't try that hard. You were disaster. Like just back loaded with all the main things, you wanna say, and then at the end be like, but you proved us wrong, you did it, and it's really just waiting muggle a bunch of insults. Like a long distance bless your Harding. Yes. Crack of big all heartlessly. I long form bless your heart. Did you see the the elements schooler who won a science project? Based on cheats, proving Tom for he cheats, then the quote from him at the end. So he he won using the science project, which which he said he wasn't going to stop talking about because it was going onto the next round right regionally. So he was already like one this playoff game. We should clarify. We should clarify where this science project took place. I'd I'm forgetting where wasn't Kentucky. Okay. Are they are science Sears legal? As long as Jesus as part of your presentation. Yes. Well, the Rex Chapman is in his presentation. I have a picture of him proceed proceed, by the way. Rex Rex jab at a today on Twitter like if you don't follow him fifty one year old, man. He was like. Yeah. Man. We're going we're gonna we're gonna like I'm gonna keep it real sex in here today. He posted a picture, he posts the human nature remix S W vis right here. You have my attention. I love everything Rex. I haven't I have this friend Tiao or something. 'cause I did I got this Rex Chapman. You know? Those like old school ninety three for the Basle face really large heads. Yeah. I got one of those like Rex Chapman joint at your story backing twenty sixteen and unfortunately, when I got I thought I would like no way, it's like niches respite Satnam my Hornets shopping thing. And then when I got home I was like, oh, no look up mixing three min flawed and Rocco bomb. I I never wear it anymore. But I found it and I got posted on Twitter and next chapter like that looks like. Right. Twitter. So he's everywhere. Before you quote this fourth grader, I would like to quote, his father. This is what the father told CBS news quote about his son. Now, he's not a big fan of school. The project was just an attempt to get him interested in excited. Wow. What a what a power what a power dad moved. Tell CBS news. Yeah. My son not a big fan of school. She's. After you want the science fair. You did something successful. God. Yes. So he won this this contest. And then at the very end when they're asking him about it. I believe the quote the. He's just a ramp at all up here. Right. Was was about adamant he goes. Oh, yeah. Ataman element does steroids. Yeah. I've learned a lot of a lot of fun and Jillian does steroids to drop that. At the end of share of. There's another quote from here that says that asks him what he would tell Tom Brady if he ever met him in person any eight to he said, he would tell him that he needs to retire small, boys Owen and give me some of your money because you don't deserve it. Small boys are using. That's that. You know, what I regret that? We didn't think about this until today, but what we should do for the next Super Bowl media day, which is always terrible. And it's happening right now. I think. Let's just send a bunch of children who don't like Tom Brady and pepper him with Ruud child. If I like the. How long do you have to live that? That'd be the first question. You get a bunch of little kids and somebody's like forty or over there like ally grant way when are you going to die? Why did you leave your girlfriend when she was pregnant? Oh. Of them races hand, do you? Remember woman named Christine about eight years ago. She better after a cardinals game. It's more that way, I'm selling the fiction. Hey, I'm gonna veer here. If you wanna tell about your new. I forgot that also. Yeah, I have a book that comes out I guess on Friday on a tribe called class most books about Tuesday. But I don't know why this out Friday. I'm very excited about that. But the thing with lifted that bookstore as kind of just throwing the book whenever the hell they want to. So you wanna like seventy at your book, I think. Yeah. Thanks. A book about it called go ahead of the rain notes to try call quest. And yeah, it comes out with university of Texas press to a really great they in my twenty twenty sixteen approach me. And they're like do you want to write a book about Eric do? And I said not particularly. Well, I have enjoyed the there. But I do you like do do you love her books worth like he can't go? 'cause you know, like there's stuff that you like, but you can't go book length on it. Yeah. Did the person writing, and I kind of back back when I was at n TV I had these repeats on try, but I- throughout the year kind of built on the proposal, and I just kind of pursued this grand idea of writing a long epic to fan loving of a group and being very specific. And with that for my awkward and somewhat sometimes terrible childhood. That is like I love that that, you know. And I followed you on Twitter for awhile and your stuff on music is is magnificent. And I knew this book was going to be good because you have another extremely correct opinion. Which is that one of the most underrated rappers on the planet is is DRO. While. Yeah, I think I it's 'cause I seen you. I I did a whole like implement story thing on the side. I I'd love young DRO and. Was so fascinated by his? Abilities found I think his ear was so good as a writer rangy just so thoughtful interesting and the the red could connect with fifty. We're always fascinating. I think that he was kind of a victim of AirAsia. He kind of came in the Bill of era ship, and he could have hit a peak with TI offer. But gee, I was like not present. You know, I liked it a bid I think that really throws career any kind of just like never. I think he was doing something. That rap in Atlanta was was moving away from if we kinda got caught amiss in this cross era shift of never really caught on in the way that I could. But also blow drilled now like him in guy perform together and Georgia in twenty seventeen form we the city together. It was like the catering susceptible been like for the after show by did they like TI bought about near never city together like real immense. Joy just washed over the crowd reminded me that you know, in some cities like what a make it or whatever that being in things you are related to a whole group of people there. I have one more thing about young DRO that is my favorite thing. Which is that you see him, right? Like, this is one of the best parts about living in Atlanta's that. I think you know, if you like sell them on stage together. And you didn't live here you'd be like, oh, man. Look back together. Again. You know, look, it's like, it's Tia Hines young DRO. And you're like, yeah. I don't have at like, you know, summit Chick-fil-A the other day dislike hanging out. It's not like this not even like, you know, like statement of proximity to celebrity or dislike. Now, man, they still they still like, you know, hang I still like, oh, yeah. Here. Let's let's get kids on a play date. I went to fundraiser for our to a fundraiser for my kids school and big boy was there, and you know, couple of members of the family showed up and hey work done walked in like, hey, okay. This perfectly normal. This is this happens every Wednesday here at comet bowling here in downtown Decatur. Yeah. Hey. You wanted to ask him about the the the cover? Yeah. The reason I will when you when you see the cover the book, you'll realize why want him to ask him about it. And the the sports writers least favorite question is this questions that start with talk about? But any when I was introducing your work to the two members of our podcast who were not already familiar with it. I showed them the cover of your second book with the the wolf gentlemen in the tracks. And they're like, oh, we get it. This guy clearly needs to be on our podcast, and the third one is a very is very start graphically and the process of getting to that cover is something that you talked about a little bit on Instagram. And I thought it was really fascinating. And I wondered if you could run us through it here. Mike is the cover with the wolf and tracksuit on my first my first one with aplomb in a MAC cover. There's also like a boy holding jobless over wolf shot, and I had kind of copay to this idea. I won't get into my interest longest forward. But I wanted to have wolves on mini covering as I and with both those covers per second. Had you know, a lot of creative controlling by pushable cover people are picked up. These are my second book cover. I like did not make image design the idea for the in pretty early on university of Texas press, a great like not Michael them. They were just like you were not you probably can't wolf on this cover. You know, doesn't make a lot of firms book, and it's just would look at and I kind of agreed. You know, I was kinda like, well, maybe let this though for this look and try it again time Inverness coverage is coming in. You know early on. I was like, oh, can I have it here another couple of Zion? And they're like, well, let's see what we come up with. I covered. My started coming in. I realize we are we all realize that you know, they just weren't working in part because the book there's just a lot of language tight along. My name is kind of long on there's the lab. And so what I did in in my attempt to get a wolf on the covering was I borrowed the aesthetic from the nineteen sixty nine how our where cover that cover just says this is how will do album he doesn't like it. He didn't might your retro retired for even kind kinda like start each instructed. A lot of language thing is paying on us to how wolf which is a way that I kind of snow country. That's absolutely brilliant. Everybody by it. It's it's about Dr question fraud. It's gotta be amazing. You bite on Friday, this sucks. Eternal off at halftime the book instead. Yeah. But I'm at night, marauders and radio hate that shit. Hey, will he'll be like, oh God like a musical strawberry? If witness if you don't by any s- book you want Tom you're on Tom Brady side. It's true. The math checks a lot of people are. They don't listen to this show. It's fine. Most people don't listen to this show, which is just problem. Uneven legally obligated to ask you where were you when Ohio State loss to Purdue this year? Oh, oh, I have a great right up. There became I was only pulling back from Los Angeles. I was plane flying from Columbus. And there it was my first time ever being of choice like nothing like being on a plane flying got the Columbus. Ohio fake losing. All of a sudden diety, and there's all this kind of like building raise. But it's trapped in this in this mall space, Mosul leg leaers. Really really, I keep my headphones on both white, but I took them off because there were these where it'd be violent and someone just shout. Something like yell something from the back and at one point and then people yell back from the front like the movie L O. God, dammit, another lemon somebody else for the front. Another. You know, not everyone believe couple of people screaming out for my on the airplane life. I was surely like lagging behind but to to get on a plane with a higher state undefeated and landed Columbus them with the loss is really fascinating too. I mean Babri of the city the entire ecosystem ship when Ohio stately with time when a higher loses football game where I'm not even having watched the game, but I can tell how the city field when I get off a plane, or when I wake up or whatever and to the airplane company will time with so many that fan experience still down to really and kind of peripherique in air moment. I was on a plane in two thousand fourteen during the World Cup when Germany and Brazil played that was the game where Germany beat Brazil. Seven seven to one and in Brazil, and there was no WI fi on the flight. So we didn't have the it's in my suit experience that you had right? Another one. But I got off the plane and the pilot the pilot goes I hear him in this light Texas accent like classic pilot accent, right go like do what? And like over the intercom. And one of the flight attendants picks up the intercom goes if you were waiting for the score of the game. It is Germany seven Brazil won. And I hear I hear some dude camera. What flying to goes flying to like, maybe like LA to Atlanta? And I hear someone in the back. Oh, what the fuck like all the way in the back in front of the kids and no-one said he thinks it's like, I guess all the moms and ever like man what the fuck seriously. The children need to know how children. This. No, it ain't right? You can't as this. We usually end on a non sequitur, we usually end very suddenly. And if I want you to and this broadcast with by naming let's go your favorite Ohio State role player. Could be a kicker to be punter. Could be a kicker or punter Comey tight end who only caught like seven balls. Yeah. So just will end what will end with that name. Thank you. So you you made it you made it we we were gonna just you know, exposure to only so much of this. But you made it the whole time. He's got the full plutonium. I know put streams poisoned for life. Now. So thank you for your time. This was magnificent. And with that if you leave us with your favorite Ohio State role player, I'll highest paid role player is graduate of the Columbus each from high school in my class we together walk on who became a Aubin 'em player defensive back. Antonio. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. It seems mart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an Pires room in a major league baseball park. Check it out. And if you like it tell a friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart.

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What Do Tina Fey, The Ohio State University and B2B Marketing Have in Common?

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What Do Tina Fey, The Ohio State University and B2B Marketing Have in Common?

"Hey you know what time it is time to grab your board head out into the SIV ideas see. You can't see that sales pipeline starting to curl up over the horizon there and for those of you that liked to Be Able to see things as they're developing. I want you to see this with Mannheim sir today. Welcome at Hinds I got A. I got way. I'M GONNA go with us here. You ready I don't know so I wanNA see if they can make the connection if they can see ahead to where we're going and make a connection between Tina fey the Ohio State University and B. TO B. Marketing. What do those three things have in Common Matt Heinz? Well we're GONNA find Out here in a second. I'm very excited for our guest today. This is long overdue to have our guest today joining us on sales pipeline herniated. But I wanNA thank everyone for joining us. We are GONNA talk about B. Two B. Marketing. We might talk colluded about Tina Fey and I don't think we can avoid talking about the Ohio State University at this point. That's GonNa be a tough one. Because I went to the University of Michigan Michigan so I may be have to check out during that part. Oh my gosh I forgot this terrible so You know this is live for those of you listening to this show podcast speed. You may be listening to this. After a couple of days. You may be listening to this after the Super Bowl. We'll get into that here in a minute as well but for those of you. Listening to this episode live on the Funnel Media Radio Network. Things could get ugly. We got a little Ohio state. We got a little team up north. We'll get into it three week. Sales pipeline radio where featuring some of the best and brightest minds in sales and marketing specifically around B. Two B. Today a very excited to have with US Vice President of Marketing Club Essential Holdings Maryland Cox Maryland. How you doing? I'm good. How are you at where you better before you recognize and I was reminded that our producer is fighting for the wrong team here? Well you know when you went enough you learn. It doesn't bother you as much. That is a fair point. How how many decades has it been and since Since Michigan getting some interference. Here again I I think the Feed is getting cut off your. Yeah as a Husky ski like we have the same thing where people say like I remember. We're we're we're automobiles was the internal combustion. Engine was invented right right this year. So just put us both on Mute for the next twenty five minutes Santa's Maryland. I'm I'm real excited. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate that very much. I've been trying tried to get you on for a while we've known each other for a long time you've been in B. Two B. Marketing for a long time and have taken a very unique and interesting path. Talk a little bit about your. You're be to be marketing career and some of the highlights and steps that you take along the way scherer adding I would start by classifying myself as an accidental marketer It's it's not something that I studied or set out to do. I happen to stumble into it when working for a company many years ago I was doing doing project management and was embedded in a marketing department. And the first project that I happen to work on implementing this lake. New Tack called Marketing Automation Sad. That was considered so new back then but it was and it was fascinating and I I. I quickly realized that I- marketing as is a field was more than than the art as I had known it was really developing more into a science and had an operational aspect to it. Yeah I mean it was just kind of fortunate enough to be surrounded by some really like brilliant minds early on in my marketing career. And that's kind of how I learned it. I think as I went and I think one of the things I found that I enjoyed the most was kind of acting as like a Rosetta stone for different industries figuring out how you can take the best practices of marketing and apply them in different industries in different organizational structures. And so oh to what you alluded to. I've kind of yeah. I mean shifted across a variety of industries and have supported whether it's manufacturing and financial services says or life sciences over to entertainment. And now I'm working in private clubs and fitness clubs and college traffic space. So yeah it's been fascinating definitely not a linear path by any regards unique perspective that I think some people may not have if they've stuck purely to be to be Liam and you've you've worked in a wide variety of industries a lot to be to be but like I think you your perspective could help you give a better answer to you. Know what are the things to be. NBC's He's sort of have in common and what are maybe some things that B. Two B. Marketers should pay more attention to learn more from their BBC brethren. Yeah absolutely been fun in that when I was with the second city I got some Mary B to C marketing with B2B. And now a lot of what I'm doing is working with companies that our consumer centric member centric and so it's being able to sort of weave in some of those same best practices and in a lot of ways. It allows you to have a little bit more fun and be more creative. I think that when B. TO B. Marketers or marketing to other businesses. You kind of have this reflects to sort of fall into a very lake. Fundamental formulaic way of marketing marketing. I mean we have our our journeys we know what our our buyers journeys are and as much as everyone agrees that lake. Well they're not necessarily one step at a time. I mean and we still a lot of times. Build them that way and we kind of feel like we are limited to okay. Here's the white paper. Here's a Webinar that I'm GONNA do We are getting more creative creative. I think with things like podcast in the world of consumer marketing. You sort of have the permission to have a little bit more fun and so it is interesting. Just kinda take a step back and figure out how can take those fun practices that even as consumers that we see we experienced and figure out how to Kinda thread them into our day to day B. Two B. Efforts. Well well let's go down that path a little bit longer. Talking to the sales pipeline radio with Maryland Cox. She's currently Vice President of marketing at club essential holdings but for several years. You were working with the second the city as well and I think a lot of people think of the second sitting you think of Improv. Comedy you think of Chris Farley and Steve Carell and Tina fey and some Stephen Colbert so amazing comics six and actors. That have come out of that but I think what most people don't know is that there is a beat of e Angle a leadership coaching angle. To the second city's we'll talk a little bit about what that is and what are some of the marketing lessons that besides marking leaders can take out of that as well. It was something that I was fascinated by when I first started working with them so they had. They've had for a really long time a pretty substantial training center so they have training center is in Chicago. Toronto and Los Angeles and ten thousand plus people people go through classes every year through the second city and and the majority of them are not people that aspire to be on Saturday night live the majority of them. Are People like you when I hear. We're looking at developing or improving their social skills. Their communication skills their listening skills. That's a big one team building leadership. Improvisation it really helps you develop and build. All of that comedy is a great output of Improv. But so are so many of these other the skills that you need in one of the things that the second city recognized. Is that when you can take those practices even outside of the classroom and bring them into the environment environment where so many of us spend the majority of our lives which is the workplace you can really start to establish some fantastic dynamics within the workplace and so so they go into businesses and do anything from these leadership and team building exercises to. Here's how to create content in real time because what they do do on the stage is they are in real time creating content. They are getting feedback from the audience. They are getting reactions from the audience. They're getting getting suggestions from the audience and building content around that you can take the same practices in how you develop your marketing so I would say that like a lot of of what marketers there's learn from these experiences and certainly stuffed in my day to day now really try to grab a hold of our some of those fundamental lessons. You learn like the idea of yes and that's one of the most fundamental things that you learn and Improv. And it's the idea of recognizing and then building on the idea of others have dialogues versus monologues. The the ability to really listen in entirety to what somebody is saying and recognizing and acknowledging what that individual has had to say learning how to integrate content. Ah I think is certainly a big one. I mean all of those things are exercises and stuff that not just marketers but can practice you mentioned the yes and and that's That's one piece he said is really stuck out for me about the pleasure of seeing a couple of seconds city. Leadership Coaches speak at conferences. And it's interesting whenever I want to write the word but now I try to take it out and I find that nine times ETA ten. It's really easy to find a different way of sayings speaking or writing something that isn't but-but as an an right and even if you don't agree with it demonstrates that you're listening listening and it demonstrates that you're willing to have a collaborative constructive conversation which I don't care if you're marketing. I don't care if you're talking to your spouse trying to close the deal feels like a better way of doing business. Oh absolutely I mean I know I'll even like e mail communications or slack messages. Where if I can't respond? `and with yes man. I know that I need to kind of stat back for a little bit and think through it it because a lot of times that is kind of a knee jerk reaction especially when you're around and you had a lot on your plate plate and you are getting request after request after request. You Do Kinda get to a point where you. It's so much easier to just new thing to say like now I don't have time that's GonNa take take too much. It's too much effort in. It's amazing if you you do just kind of sat back and let something similar for a little bit you can usually find that yes and response and it is so much more fun to say us is to say no though I know personally. That's that's kind of my objective and my communication process. Yes and commercial break. We got a quick break. Pay Some bills. We'll be right back more with Marilyn Cox we're GONNA talk more about conversational marketing. We might talk a little. WWe We need a little higher state. Athletics what else. We'll be back soap opera How do I make buying decisions? It's a question on the mind of nearly every every beat of marketing leader yet also one without the clearest of answers what's her involvement like throughout the purchasing process. What drives their ability to make better decisions? Wins and where do you stand compared to them. Read the new research report from PATH FACTORY IN HEINZ marketing to get inside the head of a marketing leader in the buyer's journey and find out visit Heinz Marketing Dot coms resource section. That's H. E. I. N. Z.. Marketing Dot Com and the resource tab for your free copy today. Yes and we're back with Mattis guest. He just keep doing this forever yes and hand excite everyone back here on sales pipeline radio. Did you know actually all that. Our guest today is also a radio host that she was the CO host of expert expert access radio. I talk a little about your radio experience. I mean it's on your resume so it's must be something you're probably right. Just like my excel spreadsheet skills. No Yeah I mean I. I did like years ago. props to a team that I worked with at a company called Sing Com systems. They saw the potential back in the early and mid ought to get into more audio driven content. Not Quite podcast yet. By right We did have a radio show. We interviewed a number of thought leaders. I got to read a lot of really great books. Yeah and it was a great opportunity to engage in some really a fascinating dialogue and it was a great entrance for me especially at that point in my marketing career as to why content marketing really was and really start to kind of experience that and and play around with it a little bit. It's interesting I think you and I both been doing content for a long time at a variety different channels and I think sometimes I think of this term content marketing and it sort of demeans. What the form airman what the opportunity is and is there a value thinking of it as content? How do you create content engages that persuades teaches that makes me feel better and by doing that? Well Oh you're earning ongoing at ten year. Earning the right to continue the conversation that might turn into a sales conversation but is it wrong or is it counter productive to call it content marketing or should we just create good content. I mean we have a fabulous philosophical conversation about Yeah I mean I guess in some regards. Content marketing is almost like we've ever you know it's like the action of taking the content and I think even how people define what content is these days. It's kind of interesting because it's it isn't just like Yes yes. Somebody's written a book or there's a really great white paper out there or there's a podcast. I think any time that you're creating and experienced that starts to become I'm not content because the residual of the experience becomes things like those online reviews that you see or those social media posts in response to it so Blattman the definition of course is wide open and I think something that continues to be pretty fluid and how people use it thing. Maybe not everyone knows about you but those are you know you no very well as you're a big fan of professional wrestling and when I was a kid I used to watch wrestling. I haven't watched a lot recently. Tell my eight year. Old Son now is quite enamored enamored with it and I didn't know this but my six year old has become a fan of a song called the game by motorhead and I did not realize that the game is actually in the intro song for a wrestler why for AAA yeah and I found some amazing and so then you so you go down a rabbit hole on youtube right and like literally last weekend all three of my kids including my ten year old daughter. We're just we found one that was like it was a compilation of some of the greatest entrances in wrestling. And it's fascinating and what's amazing to me is like look. There's clearly really athletic ability amongst these wrestlers but the story telling among wrestling but the storytelling about the characters about the just the stories between gene characters in between the the good guys and the heels. They're masters at it talked to me a little bit about an interesting. WD overall but like what makes them such good storytellers retailers. It's a challenge and we have a whole podcast series on. I'm sure there are actually several out there. It's one of the things that the wwe it's actually really really challenged with right now. And why one of their up and coming competitor called A. W. is outperforming them because the wwe is struggling right now with with creating a narrative that people are interested in following the a e w is doing a better job with that. I mean in so many ways I mean in the in the simplest assed form. I mean. It's good guys versus bad guys so it's really really easy to follow. They do a really good job of course of point from current events and figuring out how Outta tie that in there I mean I think all of that is something that really gets people kind of engaged and involved. They do a really good job of getting people to to reminisce. Yes I mean those guys that you watched growing up a lot of them still come back and every now and then appear so. It's fun to see like which of your favorites are GonNa come back doc. But the process in which they create it and when you look historically at when the wwe has done well or when they've been outperformed it always goes back to the bookers and for those that aren't us on the wrestling jargon. The bookers are really the people that are defining what the matches are going to be. And what the outcomes are going to be and building kind of the story that centers on that the really good booker's are the ones that have driven the success within the different you know whether it's the wwe or a w WCW they play an instrumental role in that. And I mean you can tolerate now. They're struggling with it. And and for those that follow it. They've turned over talent behind the scenes. Some of their booker behind the scenes because they've brought them in with an expectation that they're going to change things very rapidly and I think because my chances of ever actually working at this company are probably nil. I feel comfortable saying I think a lot of it is because they're they're struggling with micromanagement around content. And this is a great way to loop back to marketing Vince McMahon. It appears as a very very difficult time allowing talented people to do what they're best Austat and so that seems to be a part of the issue is that he doesn't like the direction it's going home. Make last minute changes in that causes problems and then people leave or at their let go. They're struggling. They really are that I mean financially. I'm sure they're fine. But as far as be worship and followers. It's something that's really been a burden for them. Over the last eighteen months Moynihan. Yeah that was that was amazing. And what's interesting is I mean you listen to everything you said and if you took out. WWE and W and instead did you brought up a couple competing brands and marketing technology. Right or a couple of brands where it's it's not just about what's what the product is. It's not just about well. Well this has got bigger muscles. This Russell has been around longer at one more championships but the story that you can put out there your ability to keep people's attention. I think it was Andrew Davis. It was just last year. He was talking about how you keep the attention of your customers and your prospects. People will keep watching if they still have questions. People keep watching if if they still have things they want to learn and they'll stop watching if all their questions get answered and so that element of good storytelling. And you mentioned you know some of the things that sorta sometimes keep stories being told good when you don't let creative people sort of come up with new creative ways of telling that story it can actually start to drain the attention you have from your audience and that's a ripe opportunity for someone else. Come pick it up. Oh for sure for sure yeah. Andrew Davis a spot on. I mean I love him. Talk About Smart Brilliant Guy. No doubt well. Hey I know we just got a couple more minutes here with you. Here on sales pipeline radio last questions. We're starting asking where people you know we've had in the past people for their you know their mentors and some of their. Inspirations brations over the years you're a repeat guest noun sales popularity asked you the question which we've titled The longer. I live in the in the bigger more mistakes make and even your career. The different places is you worked in marketing. If you're sitting in front of a group of soon to graduate college students what some advice you'd give them. They might not hear from others. That you think is important for their careers moving forward. My Gosh well. If we're GONNA talk about mistakes I wouldn't even know where to start with today. I think one of the biggest is sadly. I don't think I have. Maybe a unique nick perspective. I I think I would agree when a lot of people say that you have to recognize that you don't have all the answers and you can't stop learning for me that huge. If I were talking to people that were getting ready to graduate and we're going into marketing And they were earlier in their careers. I think the one piece of advice I would give them to build on that. Concept is is start to learn outside of marketing so not to discourage people from reading good marketing content and best practice content. I absolutely really do but I think there is a lot to be gained from reading more on financial I will say probably aside. From of course aligning with a sales team name. The organization that I align with the most out of company is always the financial team the. CFO is somebody that I make my best friend very very early on so oh you know. I think there's a lot to be said for learning and studying that and then even getting outside of the realm of business in order to kind of exercise your brain so personally I thought it would be interesting interesting to take a couple of classes right now. That are different from what I've ever done in the past so I'm taking a class on South Asian comparative politics and one on in Bollywood because the region fascinating to me and the idea of having to think in a way where I'm not comparing something to Western culture and in Western politics is very actually refreshing. But it's amazing when you start exercise seen different parts of your brain that you haven't before that it does pay off in your day to day work works. I think that might be kind of like the biggest thing that I would recommend and advice I'd give is like put down the the marketing books. Definitely maybe even the business books for a little while and right your mind have some fun from Hulk Hogan to Bollywood and awfully inbetween. It's been a fun conversation But we are out of time. I want to thank our guest again today. Maryland Koksal excited joining us again covering a lot of different areas of marketing and storytelling and A lot of fun. If you like this episode. Want to share this. With some of your colleagues and friends you'll find it up on sales pipeline. Radio CO DOT COM here in a couple of days and we'll have an edited highlights transcript of this conversation up on hines marking Dot Com in about a week or so well. We'll be here every week next week every week. Eleven thirty specific to thirty eastern on behalf of my group producer. Policies Matt Heinz. Thanks for joining us on another episode sales pipeline radio and with that we wrap up another episode of Sales Pipeline Radio Right here on the funnel Radio Channel for Antwerp Listener Mike You.

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Read On USA Podcast: Meet Lora Current, The Founder of #ReadOn USA

Marion Now - Moving Our Community Forward

04:42 min | 4 months ago

Read On USA Podcast: Meet Lora Current, The Founder of #ReadOn USA

"Hello thank you for tuning in. My name is laura current and i'm the founder of read on usa radio. Usa is a nonprofit that was really created just to support students in education. I created this. Because personally i saw a need in my seventh grade year of high school or junior high i. I was tested for dyslexia. And i had to start tutoring And it really was a struggle for me in school and even greater than education will wise. It was a struggle with myself identity. And really the way i saw myself. I was in tutoring for two years three nights a week for two hours And i really. I didn't want my teachers to know. I didn't want my friends to know it was. It was an embarrassing thing. It was a a hard thing to let people. In on. As i entered high school i started to see my grades improve And just my enjoyment of school overall. Improve the tutoring was working my attitude towards it. was still probably on the more negative side because it was a flaw in me that i wanted to correct and that's really the way i saw. It was just this flaw that needed to be hidden and i didn't wanna show. However as my grades improved. I was put in honors classes and college level courses With people that saw as being better than me more intelligent than me more smart than me and it was it was shocking and it was. It was very nerve wracking for me. Somebody who who i saw was dumb. Somebody that i saw couldn't read to be put in these courses With people who i saw were were smart So really working through those issues within myself. It was a challenge. It was even more of a challenge than than my reading struggles Even further than that my junior year of high school. It was brought to my attention that i had received the scores. The credits that i needed in order to graduate high school and i was sixteen at the time and my school is telling me that i could go to college that next year which was just horrifying to me The fact that these smart kids these friends of mine who were again in my mind just brilliant so much better than i was. How was i ready to to step out into college. And they weren't and again. It wasn't the educational side of dyslexia or a learning impairment. It was it was the way i saw myself. It was the identity that i put on myself but with great resources and great encouragement from my friends. My parents my teachers And even my brother. I took that leap and i graduated high school in my junior year. and it was really neat. My brother was actually in the great above me. So i got to walk down our graduation ceremony with him and it was at that time really that i that my mindset started to change that my worth and my identity wasn't in my grades it wasn't in honors. I could receive academic clubs. I could be a part of. It was in who i was and who i was made to be in what i was made to do. might entity was not defined by grade so now i am a junior at the ohio state university and i am studying medical social work. I really have a love to work with people and serve people But even greater than that. I now work within tutors. Students who struggle in reading or any educational course And it's just so neat. How migrate greatest. Weakness of somebody that couldn't read in my mind couldn't read. I'm now teaching other people how to read. My greatest strength has become. My greatest greatest weakness has become my greatest strength. So is this past year that i created read on usa again just with the goal of serving students serving families who struggle with the same kind of struggles that i went through And showing them that that these challenges of reading and learning impairments concord overcome They are not correlated at all. to general intelligence. The possibilities for students is are endless. And they're worth is so much more than a grade so reid on. Usa is kind of taken this role starting in ohio of just encouraging and supporting students. We we really started With some events to raise money for books for local highest students on we're working on other projects now with covid nineteen Still trying to reach get access to students Even if it can't be in person. So we've teamed up with iheartradio to put out some podcasts and resources for students and families which is coming out march second tune in we are going to have some educators coming in as well as a special look at a family who has a daughter with dyslexia and kind of here their take And some encouraging words from them. You don't want to miss it.

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Hour 3: Rankings Reaction

Izzy and Spain

39:34 min | 2 years ago

Hour 3: Rankings Reaction

"My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking. At all. Like, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Make the switch and J U L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. Welcome in radio Spain in fix. It's the hashtag rankings reaction show coming in. We're gonna do this for the next hour on spayed and Fitz. Mike Golic junior Jason Fitz Trevor scales. Low one of our special guests, we got to we got one more coming. I'm not saying Trevor isn't an amazing special guest. But we got somebody bigger coming to. Listen to me comes this is someone bigger than all of them. We own here is because he's coming from the sports center said I mean better than that. Don't live in a much nicer neighborhood. There's a reason he wouldn't return your calls about doing the show at his house. And I was like, please come company my live with to try and do it to try and move locations that would allow. That would have. The first choice you're talking about this like we're sitting in some slummy like where am I gonna juniors living room for everybody on radio hanging out? This is actually people ask me all the time is this actually juniors living room. Like, yes. Yes. It is that his his Christmas tree. Did you decorate that yourself? Did. I put that up today. So the my mom would yell at me when she watched this Twitter feed hadn't decorated I would have gotten a lot of trouble and pretty much everything I've ever done in. This house has been motivated out of fear of a woman, your mom is the Saint happy birthday to by the way. Rankings reaction of a couple of days belated day, belated, David Wilson. Michael junior tasted fits Trevor scales. Another special guest coming getting you caught up on what has happened. The committee has spoken and they've spoken in a big big way. Matt Schick who host gained a radio on ESPN radio on the weekends said earlier, he thought this would be the most important, Ponente minutes or most statement oriented penultimate rankings we've ever seen. They made their statement number one, Alabama number two Clemson number three Notre Dame number four Georgia. That is what many of us expected after that. We got our statement number five, Oklahoma number six Eliah state. Number seven is Michigan so mission get get stumped by Hieaux state for that? They fall just a few spots few spots. UCS gets their way up one to number eight Florida nine and LSU who apparently can lose to everybody in the country and still be in the top ten sitting at number ten Mike your immediate reactions to that. People in Orlando. Gotta be mighty upset with this one. And now it's a balance because for this. When we obviously understand McKenzie, Milton the horrific injury, we first and foremost that it was brutal. The walked for a guy that's been unreal. College football player in an unreal program. But we knew for this week. The rankings are supposed to reflect what you've done so far and UCF still went out one game pretty handily now going into this next weekend as we adjust before the final rankings on Sunday that could fall even more based on what happens on Sunday. And also the fact that's a not of walkover game against Memphis, and the committee is supposed to take into account injuries when they happen. And what the team looks like without their star quarterback be a beacon of light chamber scales. Ready for what you got. But they got a full game against Memphis to show that hey, they are such a juggernaut offensively. Right. Did they can still do it and a few weeks ago? The guy's a lot of the college football guys Brad Edwards. I was at the forefront of it. We're tweeting out this chaotic scenario. If all of these things happen UCF could get into the top four. Some of those scenarios still exists. I mean, if north western can win, and if Texas can win all of a sudden UCF is going to be sitting there, especially if Alabama goes out and just thumps Georgia art sorry. UCF does at least have this one game with the backup quarterback against Memphis who they struggled to beat earlier. Make a statement. This is the textbook area where UCF can prove that they have things outside of their starting quarterback. That can help them. Help move them up in the rankings. They are equipped to do. So they have like a myriad of five hundred yard rushers on that roster. That allowed them the capability offensively to keep up with just about anybody. So if you can make a statement beat Memphis handily this in the conference championship this weekend. We'll see what they can do. But it does take a lot of helping front. We're supposed to take into account the, you know, the conference championship. That's one thing of all resumes. Consider are somewhat equal yet. The committee is supposed to look at conference championships. How much the AC conference championship is worth? The committee is going to be interesting because we already got a statement every time someone has lost a meaningful game. It has not been enough for UCF to jump them. It took LSU getting three losses for that. To finally happen. Michigan is still above them. LSU above them before. And now Georgia at number four above them. We're really supposed to believe of Georgia loses to Alabama. Even if they beat like LSU that's going to be enough for the committee to jump UCF over them. No. They've shown us time and time again if it comes down to it and Jala Bama, thumps, Georgia and UCF wins. They're still going to put Georgia. You're listening to Spain. And fits this is the rankings reaction show. You can see it on Twitter. Hashtag rankings reaction. We are here to get your reactions. You can join in the conversation. Michael junior Jason Fitz Trevor scales, we got another big guest coming to join us. Are you here to say that if Alabama beats Georgia in your mind, it's a good game? Alabama beats Georgia. We get the rest of this chaos for for the sake of this, Texas pizza, Oklahoma and north western beats Ohio State yoga in that process. You here to say to loss Georgia team would go in in your mind over an undefeated UCF team. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So there's no chance based on what we've been told. Yes. And I mean, hell based on this. We'd have to look at the fact what they think about putting the to Michigan or anything another. Now how much is a win win against Memphis worth of the committee at this point. That's what you gotta ask yourself because right now, they told you what they've done so far not enough to be above a two loss team. But let's remember Michigan now as the one thing on your resume. You can't balance back from we can continue to use this narrative week in week out because we see it again yet again, we are seeing a situation where Trevor a terrible law commitment committee told us the terrible loss is not outweighed by an incredible win. No, not at all like that. That is the most detrimental factor to your schedule. If you have a terrible loss if you get whooped up on. That's what's going to drop you off mode at anything. And I think you see if has like some slight symbol of hope with the fact that sitting in that eight slot, right? If they were to go out and absolutely wax. Memphis. There is a chance they could weep frog. A Michigan team. That's sitting at home. They could then leapfrogging Michigan and Ohio State team that loses to north. And there's a possibility if Texas knocks off Oklahoma that they move up again, they just have to have the best performance humanly possible for team combined with the fact that everything else poorly happens in front of you guys are commenting all over the place. Hashtag rankings reaction. We love it. Giving up over sixty points and falling three spots is only logical. Right. I mean, this is the piece of it though. Bobby carpenter said on Golic and wingo last week. You're going to take whatever piece of statistic helps what you want your meat. Yup. And you're going to go with that realistically. There's one sixty there's one massive loss Ohio State outweigh the rest of Michigan season. No, it doesn't Michigan still one of the better teams in the country. Right. Absolutely. And so what they've showed you there. One of the teams that the committee still thinks is better than UCF. Like when you talk about what the group of five is up against uphill battle. You have had your best champion team. It's one twenty three or twenty four games straight. Now, and it's still not been good enough. And I think it's also they're taking into account that rivalry factor that we talked about the Saturday show. Right. Like, it's it's a matter of understanding that Ohio State was more up for this game. And they have ever been this season. It was very apparent that. That was the case combined with the fact that you know, just weird things happen. They tend to kind of give you a little slack. When it comes to how far you're going to slip in a rivalry game eve with Michigan. Well, and go ahead. No. I was just going to say, I think that rivalry factor. Human committee is going to probably take that into account more. So that will apply certainly for Notre Dame and Southern Cal, obviously Notre Dame undefeated doesn't matter. But when you look at the way people assess those kind of wins and losses and those games. That's why it would be interesting to the big championship that they rivalry gain. Big twelve title. No doubt. Some of you guys on Twitter. I've just seen again where they come in and say, hey, UCF schedule somebody if you watch the show, you know, that I've been hard on UCF. But let's be honest. It's not as simple as scheduled somebody. I will continue to die. Yep. Is calling moose contin or Penn State or Texas right now saying, hey, you wanna play a home in homo? Ain't phone who this same phone not even a new one it same phone who is you've flippantly glossed over Notre Dame when we come back on the radio side. There's some hate going at Notre Dame. We'll get Mike. Golic juniors. Thoughts on Spain in fits giving. You the hashtag rankings reaction show out on Twitter. We'll be back on radio we're going to keep going on Twitter Spain and fits you the rankings reaction if you're listening on radio, Mike Golic junior chamber scales. Jason fitz. We're gonna get you caught up on everything that the committee has told us and break down. What it really means? You can also follow along at Twitter on Twitter. You can find it out there on the ESPN or the ESPN college football handle, you can get in to the conversation. Using hashtag rankings reaction. It's an easy way to be in there. We're getting into your comments. There's a punch you guys chiming in. If you're just tuning in the big news, obviously Bama one cleanse into Notre Dame three weeks -pected that Georgia four Oklahoma five Ohio State, six also of note, Texas, fourteen and. Western at twenty one. So that tells you Oklahoma's a better opponent left than Ohio State that's going to be significant as we look at championship weekend. Now, Mike it's time to throw a little shade you because championship weekend isn't something. You seem to give darn about one way or the other because you're just sitting back saying non Notre Dame's made our case we're done should a team that doesn't even play the extra game doesn't even put it on the line be part of the college football playoff conversation. Good. So you sound like collective Twitter job of channel. Gotcha strong feet. Oh, man. What am I going to worry about? This is great. You know, what they talk about all this stuff about how why why should Notre Dame be allowed to do? I don't know why. And it is a mind to reason why I just go off what the committee has told us what the committee is told Notre Dame since this started, which is if you are in a season where Notre Dame strength of schedule is highlight usually is going to be a one loss team in Notre Dame before they got thumped by Miami. The other year was a one loss team ranked number three in the country at that point in the college football playoff pool, and this year, they have been number three for the last number of weeks undefeated schedule somewhere down around thirty six instead of near the top ten like usually is. So as long as they can tell them Notre Dame that why would we change a damn thing? Well, I'm make two points here number one. Trevor you and I sit in conference him every Saturday before the college football show when she can watch on Twitter from seven eight pm eastern same venue here come back on Saturday. You've sat there and we watched another name every week. They looked like one of the four best teams in the country. It's. It's it's hard to argue that they don't belong in that conversation, right? Like their team that has gone out and dominated on week to week basis. They've they've been able to put together really good performances against some pretty solid teams understand that people call that strength of schedule into into question quite a bit. But the fact of going undefeated is nothing easy and to do. So it should be award. Well, let me let me let me say something smart for once not something very often fired off if you're not gonna have a conference championship king. Then some years, you don't get the benefit. And that's what conference championships bring bring you the benefit of another big game some years they're going to need that benefit. Oh. There we go. For the real thing. If you're listening on radio. Fits it's making. We just got so much cooler. It's gone. He comes in and joins us. And now the show is going to get really really smart. I'm here to disappoint. You. We are first of all radio if you're listening Spain in fits rankings reaction, Michael junior Trevor scales. Kevin Gandhi Jason Fitz were breaking down everything that the committee has told us on Twitter, you can get in on the conversation. It's hashtag rankings reaction. Did you tweet that you were coming on? No. I did not because I wanted to make sure I was here. I mean, so so how about I tweet. Like if you like to do. Badgering are cast came over your after. He works. Our too busy. That's what you tell us. Heavens perspective and all this, and I'll I'll filibuster to give him time to tweet because he's being bullied by Jason. I I retweeted you. Pickups at all. Eagles fans exactly enjoy that. But Kevin USA you're on air. I saw you talking to Reese before everything went on and getting the temperature of the room before. And then as we were getting the rankings coming out. So what did you make of the news as it was breaking some of the conversations you had eight it's not a surprise to me. I come back to one specific thing. How can Hieaux sate if they dominate northwestern and Oklahoma beats Texas and Oklahoma can just say we beat everybody on our schedule grant we lost the texts, but we beat everybody and Texas has ranked fourteen how can can Ohio State jumping how how can the committee on Sunday say wait a second? We're going to have one team jump over another team that that's where I'm stuck on to me to me, the most important thing tonight from the committee was where were these two teams going to be now, the next discussions going to be of course, you know, of Georgia and Alabama how they play out. If Georgia loses on late field goal can you justify Georgia going in with two losses over Oklahoma. And Ohio State if they went out that's another thing that committee is going to tackle listen. I it all depends on what we see one versus four in a rematch where we want to see that the you know, four weeks later. Right, right. I don't know. It depends on how the game. Actually plays out appetite wise, but I will say one thing. Oklahoma's defense is brutal. The one thing that the Sooners have potentially they will be able to score. So I've played scenarios out this hypothetical of Michigan beat Ohio State. Would you prefer that one four game Alabama beating Oklahoma sixty to forty or Alabama beating Michigan twenty seven to ten? I want sixty to forty six forty right versus the top two Heisman guys. So are we at that point where we're looking at? Hey, I want to be entertained. I wanna see now how Nick saban's going to handle a mobile quarterback those discussions come in. When they when they look at. It's a beauty contest aesthetic value. And in my mind, the only team that's going to have any chance to beat Alabama is a team that can put up a ton on a point point. There is one team in in this conversation that can put up a ton appoints, its Oklahoma. There is I think there's something to be said for balance because we saw in the favor of you're talking about the Michigan aesthetic that reminded me a lot of LSU to were LSU great defense really average to below average offense. And when you've got that kind of inequality you get exposed. I don't know if that would count the same with Oklahoma because I'm with you. It may not be what gives us the best game. But even subconsciously, I'm sure the committee is looking at this like the rest of us aren't going, man. What beats Alabama his point like it's about picking the four best. And so how else do you judge the best besides who's going to beat the best? So what we did earlier today when we're getting ready for the interviews, and what we're doing for the show one of the things I wanted to look up was listen last year's matchup between Georgia and Oklahoma. Think about. That the Rose Bowl. It was one of the great y'all games of the season. Right. And we wanted more of it and you had dynamic quarterback versus the SEC the differences Oklahoma's defense by year ago was in the sixties when you look at a fishing see scoring yards allowed, and I was trying to kind of fit that narrative to this year's Oklahoma team. It's really hard. So bad. I mean, forty team team drop in the hundreds in every other category. So it's benefits on radio. You're listening to the rankings. We actually show what you can see on Twitter. Kevin Gandhi Trevor scales, Michael junior. I'm Jason Fitz. What do you do? It's a little bit of a microcosm with Oklahoma of the same thing that we've talked about Ohio states year prostate down the worst loss in the best win for Oklahoma. They have the worst unit defensively they have the best unit offense. So you have to find some balance on what you care about. But ultimately the eye test has to manner to me and the thing that I'll look at it. And it's not just because offense looks prettier than defense guys. I think there's a spot here. I'll state came out weakened weak out and just fell flat. And they just didn't look great. And that has to matter. You know, we saw a couple of counters role in environment. I made the comment about not knowing what house that you would get on a week to week basis, and the comment was then we'll you didn't know whether or not Oklahoma was going to be the the difference. There is we knew that. It was excellent out often about put from Oklahoma every single week what their defense did they might have went up for fifth forty fifty points on the week to week basis. But you knew that was the game going in. And so knowing that there was a level of consistency. Oklahoma's from Oklahoma's office was always going to be there is what kind of gives me gives them the benefit of the doubt in my mind, and what probably swayed the committee, and that they do one thing excellently, and there's another side of the ball that they are just going to forgive innocent. Let's play this scenario two while we're talking about this Ohio State in the last month. Barely barely beat Nebraska. Nebraska should have won that game. They made a few mistakes. Absolutely. And basically you're sitting there you're like what are you doing in the red zone? They hung they hung the entire time with Maryland on the road. But we're talking about Maryland and no offense, but that unit has gone through so much, and that you know, it was playing with a backup quarterback. All right. And if that quarterback makes that throw we're not having this is not at all. They're out of there. Yes. They lose a producer on. On the road. So when you look at this wit against Michigan. What are we looking at? We're looking at them dominating a rivalry game. Yep. At home at home, right? Not doing anything. This is this is the weirdest one loss team in a long time where you feel bad when I look back like wait, they they'll have one loss. But you forget they've been through so much in the last month where they didn't look like they deserve to be in the conversation with us. If you're listening on radio, we're going to be on Twitter. We'll be right back. We're going to get thoughts on Mike's hairline and everything that the gun has to say about this. Awesome. It's a shame sticking with us. We'll be right back Spain and Fitz. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it? Get there. Get there get there. Now, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. What's best buttoned-down? What's this button? Dale. Buttoned-down believe that Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Back in Spain. And fits you're listening to Spain and Fitz we're doing the rankings. We actually show lied in my goal junior's house. It's Mike Golic junior tasted Fitch Trevor scales. Kevin Gandhi, as we break down everything. And we were just talking about this during the break. I want to bring the radio the radio people up to date on this too. Because there's an interesting conversation. We all agreed that they got the top six, correct? Yeah. I think also there has to be a little credit to the committee because in my mind, the easier thing to do would have been to put a high of state at five, and I'll tell you why Oklahoma has a better opponent left on the record. So they could have easily put a house date of five and justified a flit next week, and nobody would've questioned it. Oklahoma goes in beats northwestern. It's a better opponent. Sorry. Oklahoma goes in and beats Texas which is a better opponent, north western. So they could put a house state at five made it really easy to put Oklahoma at six and the next week. Just flip flopped them based on the results. They made a statement with the result. So if you're a conspiracy theories, and you believe that the committee has. Their own agenda. What they did today is actually anti agenda in my mind. Yeah, they did what they say. They do on paper in that. They took a one week look at where these seams are in a sense appropriately that this team is better than this team. And this team is better than this team. It was a very clear assessment on this given week where these teams are and not necessarily what the ceiling for this team is versus the ceiling for that team. You guys can chime in hashtag rankings reactions on Twitter. Maybe the best comment ever my fiance walked by while I was watching this. And she said that room needs a woman's touch. Now, she's assessment trying to decorate that around the Notre Dame yet, Mike if she decorated around the Notre Dame gear and left the picture of your your dad up would they would that be allowed? She could burn that decorate whatever I haven't been petitioning for like the guy version of companies where I'll pay for dinner in exchange for someone just helping me decorate this place. There you go. I sent a picture of this place out. I was proud of it before I'm putting up on. Social media. I'm flex on. Everybody. Also, not get a reply from one of my female friends. Who goes I am really disappointed in the lack of a theme in here. And I'm like, all right, listen, I'm single trying to make this work. All right. Trying to end meet in this household make it look. Nice. And my mom will yell at me when she sees his broadcast, and I'm getting it from all angles right now, I'm sweaty. If you're just tuning in. Let me get you recall a reset. So what's happened? The committee has given us the top four most of us expected Alabama. Clemson Notre Dame Georgia in that order. The big statement was number five Oklahoma number six Ojo state also of note, Texas at number fourteen northwestern at number twenty one. So it tells you sort of what we're going to see this weekend, as we sort of as we get a significant statement from the committee about how they value with team that has possibly the worst loss of the conversation, but also possibly by far the best win of the conversation. A we're being asked if you can watch this on your TV no, this is just on Twitter. So you gotta have like fancy apple TV stuff up. If I find your way. Somebody in their twenties all that. And so one thing that I think will be interesting over the course of this this weekend guys is now you have an Ohio State team and in Oklahoma team that are playing not just to win their conference championship. They're playing to get as many style as possible in my mind, I expect to teams to come out with the intent of lane as many points and as much fancy this on the field as the unique thing is that one team plays at noon, and the idea that the other team has the concept that hey, all right. So Oklahoma did this if we may have to put up sixty against north western and Oklahoma play. I mean, Ohio State plays at eight o'clock. So I find that fascinating that they have the rest of the day to get ready for a game like this. Here's the thing though, if Oklahoma beats Texas by let's just say, it's a rivalry game by like five one four three three point six points. Ten points, right and Ohio State wins by thirty. How are we judging? It I leave at the exact. I don't see why. That would I would. But I just remember that. Staking chain all of a sudden TCU sitting there like well. Yeah. I I feel like that could happen again, maybe the conference championship Oklahoma. The big twelve address that conference championship issues or it. Just. It just. Stuck in my craw. And I feel like they're going to do it to the big twelve has an advanced for not sitting at the crib Chilin on this weekend. Certain well, L spring on Twitter came in and mentioned that we should talk about how flat Oklahoma love against army. If you're just tuning in. We've been doing that throughout the course out of show. Also, we're getting a ton of comments on Twitter in general that speak to bias, which is the funniest thing to me when you wanna come in and say, there's an SEC or there's a, you know, an anti UCF by all of these conversations about bias because it's much easier for fan to look at it and say, oh my God. They don't think my team is the best. I it's instead of saying that you say, you know, what they're just biased against us. Get this out of the way, we are biased against all of your everybody. On what? Did you you're a temple gun? Right. That's what I thought about that in Philly guy. And I catch a lot from people in the American conference like fans in the American cut. I'll be rooting for UCF. And all and I'm like, listen, I it's not that. I'm not rooting for UCF. But I also understand what they're looking at. And to me the way the committee. It's not even what we say. It's the way the committee viewed it in the middle of the season when they had McKenzie Milton and they still had UCF behind a two loss team. And from there on out. I was like they're not going to get in there. No matter what. And now when you lose Milton the reason why they were in the top ten is because of Milton, and you lose him you're in trouble. So on the screen you now. See Mike's biased power rankings, Mike and reveal things we have bias foreign against every week. Mike, explain yourself Brown. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yes. So let me explain to obviously the bias against Michigan. They are thought they were. And they got exposed them at Ohio State game. I've gone to bat with a lot of those people bias in favour, obviously, Oklahoma. I think they were there should be consistency through the season bias in favor of coaches from the ESPN incubator going back college cannot the Herm Edwards. Forks up a great year for him and the sun devils Mack Brown hoping to duplicate that North Carolina gets to wear some sick, Jordan gear long. And then, of course, bias against people that think you gotta wait till after thanksgiving to decorate for Christmas. You don't don't let this sorta. So that when did you start decorating? I mean, I'm lazy. So I de corrected today. Oh, that's the problem. Is this the day after Halloween is that when you're starting to get in? Listen, I had the Christmas tunes. Bumping them. I haven't been listening to Christmas album. On the Christmas music was I'm not quite there. But I'm not against it. Right. Like, I'm not quite there. A little bit. You're listening to Spain fits giving you the rankings. We actually Mike Golic junior Trevor scales Jason Fitz, and I'm not very offended sitting next to the superstar. Absolute disgusting. A man that wears weather. Zero chance. What do you want to bring the kittens out, of course? Yeah. Show everybody. So what did you break out the Christmas? So my my wife is has held back and she's done a really good job because in the past her family actually decorates as early as possible. And I don't you know, I know I don't know to me. It's like, it's a mental thing. It's like all right. One holiday, then I get ready for the next holiday. What why are we cramming this? I still don't understand why we do black Friday in the second week of November. The black Friday sale now thanksgiving, let's wait 'til thanksgiving. Let me ask you this. Do you wait until the NFL season is done to consume the NBA Africa? Make that statement for college basketball, some we'll say right up until the hell, right? Comes around. You're like oh who's around. Where's rivalry week? They get set up in a Jack. Every year. And then I take a nice high in the NBA. I'll check out what's happening. Early and handle multiple things. I take a hollow. I will Cain. I just got. I'm walking out the door. I hang my head. That's what happened. Raking we action. I don't know if we have time on the radio side. Do we get my bias rankings? Can we get those or we work on? Yeah. Oh, we got my. Yeah. I'm always biased gets UCF because they gave themselves the national championship. They didn't earn. So you know, what just be happy with what you got. What what you're? I'm biased four Georgia because I want to see them win. Because frankly, I love the chaos, and I love everybody being so upset I'm biased against Ohio State because you haven't looked good all year. So congratulations one Saturday you brought it slow clap it. I'm not that impressed. And I'm really biased for vandy 'cause hey, nobody can hate the doors. Be my boys in a bone. Notre dame. Celebrate Tennessee, right. Hey. But like Jerry makes might be leaving. I I'm saying like coach Mason doing such a good. I'm hoping he doesn't go into. He doesn't go into Friday guys. Temple go, all hey. Coach games this year. When I was there for four years, they wanna total seven. So I'm celebrating the idea wincing. Hey, what's that senior class has been the half of temples bowl games in the history of the football program? They have been they have been eight somebody is called the temple game. They see. Trevor you do have a bias because your dogs fan and yet played for Harvard. So you have a really smart bias right something like that. I guess you can call it smart. But I I like to think I'm an objective. I am cynical tours of sit next to you and watch the game. This added, okay. Any bit absence sitting I'll absolutely admit that. But I'm not going to see here. Boost the dos for no apparent reason going now, I have said this a million times if I could only hear whatever scale says during Georgia game, I would be convinced that they haven't won all year. And that the wheels are falling off the time. Yeah. We're we're going to give the conversation going on on Twitter. Obviously, we'll be back in just a minute to give you our thoughts on this coming weekend on radio hang out with us on Twitter. It's the rankings reaction show on Spain and Fitz against Spain and Fitz made and fits giving you the rankings reaction. We have Michael junior Jason Fitz Trevor scales in superstar Kevin a Ghandi superstar fan. I don't even know why what am I saying? The tin hats if you're just tuning in. We are getting you caught up on everything to committee told us most significantly number five Oklahoma number six Ohio State, we've seen where the committee ranks these two teams. It's going to take a lot as we've been discussing all our to get back and figure out any way that this changes. There's obviously a lot to play for coming in. But right now as we look at this might we're wearing we're wearing tinfoil. Hats. It's a lot right now. We're we're going to fully lean into this conspiracy theory. We've been in the kitchen cooking. These this is fossils version of producing which I'm uniquely proud of. I'm gonna give you wore like, I can see how this keeps leftovers in the right spot. If warm my God straight on the dome for you as we've been discussing during the receiving station, but let me let me start with conspiracy theory. I'll give you guys both sides of conspiracy theory is that the college football playoff committee would rather have a of state in the playoffs because the bigger fan base, and we'll draw more ratings than Oklahoma versus conspiracy theory number litter be in this situation. They don't want Ohio State in the plan because they don't want to have the urban Meyer conversation for weeks leading up to the championship. Do you buy either? I actually got asked that question earlier if the committee would punish Ohio State for the impropriety that took place before the season. Like this committee has never once wanted to get into the waters of being a moral arbiter in any way, that's the thing. Right. And do you want to just avoid the entire potential plague that is urban Meyer by of keeping them right on the fringe of this. -sation and not having to deal with them. I'm not necessarily bought into it. But like I could see somebody kind of being on that fist between Oklahoma. And they say, you know, what I don't really feel like having that discussion. So we're gonna go ahead. Move them out that out of this playoff conversation has in its entirety. It's wild because you guys just gave us conspiracy theories for both fan bases. They're gonna go regardless of what we say. But understand there are six new committee members also in this. So we can't base the committee's decision on past decisions because a half the room is new right? So we're learning as they're going how they're passing this test. I personally believe that it's been well said and discussed conspiracy number one that Ohio State will get him because of the fan base. And because of the big ten conference I've seen that. I think that was made in twenty fourteen right, but Ohio State then showed out on the field that they deserve to be in the conversation. I don't buy either one just because if you just look at how things have been playing out now, if there was another scenario where Ohio State was was five in Oklahoma was six then I would start to say how do you make a jump from ten to five especially a week ago where you almost lose the Maryland on a bad pass by the backup quarterback. The reason. I have a hard time. We conspiracy theories in this situation in general is because the people in the room, take it so serious total and. One thing we have to keep in mind, as we don't even we don't see the votes. So we don't know how close any of these. We don't know how close it was to find to six. Well, we do know. And what should be pointed out is that three people had to recuse themselves that we know from the conversation, Ohio state's athletic director, Oklahoma's athletic director, and one committee member has a son that's on the Oklahoma coaching staff. So you have only ten people made the decision between who is going to be fine. And who is going to be six. It's hard for me to believe that Ronnie Lott, for example, is in they're worried about TV ratings when instead he instead of watching film. I mean, that's that's the part of it. Like, you you have to believe these guys take the responsibility seriously from what we've the people we've talked to. I think they do. And to believe that there are conspiracy theories believes that they're not valuing the importance of what they do. And I'm not willing to do that just like we're having the conversation here strictly about what can blaze all the field. Obviously, they're going to have the exact same discussion within that. Nobody's going to openly sort of discuss the thought of trying to slide Ohio State out of the playoff. Discussing because of what had transpired leading up to the season and throughout the early part of the season. And so like, I agree with you wholeheartedly there. I'm just saying an isolated incident if an individual was really torn between these two teams, and they are conflicted morally about Ohio State, I could see them giving the nod to Oklahoma just for the sake of the fact that they didn't want to associate themselves necessarily with that program. More interesting in all of this is if Ohio State does seriously flirt with this final four because we've all been looking at the situation in Ohio State and sane urban health conversation has been coming up again. And we knew before the season when everything happened people thought, maybe this is the end of it, especially with how the season gone if they're flirting with her in the final four again is he still the Ohio State coach next year in a way that I don't like during the middle of the season. I thought it was going to be a natural sort of breaking point for these parties. And if they get close to the playoff again, I'm not sure I'm not sure how winnings the best Yoda, right? You're listening to Spain and Fitz hashtag rankings reaction. Kevin. A Ghandi Trevor scales, Michael junior. I'm Jason Fitz to get to another conspiracy theory that ESPN only loves the SEC wants to put the SEC and whenever possible that's a that's a common one. Although it should be noted aren't network doesn't exactly. Saying that because I was about this Freeman out for anybody to say that ESPN plays a role in these ranked we do not we present them and we discuss and we argue, but it's it's the playoff committee. They decide who gets in not us like rice in Greece. Get drives me crazy. Well, and you know, I'll always go back to the conversation you here. And I'm the newest at this this couch to working for SPN and one of the popular conversations. Is that ESPN people are told what to say and what to do? And nobody's ever come in. And said, hey, you can't have this take you can't talk about like this team. You can't. That's just never been a thing. And no matter how loudly you say it doesn't stop the conspiracy. It doesn't matter because it fits a narrative that they that they want a lot easier than accepting the truth to one hundred thirteen just isn't that good? I bring a conspiracy only got guest. Ooh, I felt that. And thankfully, the Irish one out when I say that because I felt that if the Irish would have stumbled in the last two or three weeks they were going to be considered still a part of it just because of the following because of the reputation of Notre Dame. And that was my biggest fear. I was like do not miss this whole thing up if they were to lose or stumble like against Syracuse. I was like if they lose. How are we playing this out now because they don't have a conference championship? And this is a down year when you look at their schedule everybody talks about their schedule. They play a great schedule. But everybody on the schedule was down not not knocking it all what you guys barely be ball state, and you survive bandy, right? Yeah. And then at the end, I'm like, oh, Florida state's down the idea that you're traveling. They're playing a freshman quarterback. And they're trying to get bowl eligible the concept that we were thinking that USC trying to be bowl eligible in the final game of the season is so ridiculous. So my biggest conspiracy I was put out there in my own mind. How are we going to play this out if they lose the Syracuse, and then went out the rest of the games, I thought they would have been punished harshly for that just because we're used to their strength the schedule is there thirty six in the country right now, which higher than I thought it was gonna be, but they're usually around top ten I thought they would have been punished. I thought they would have been knocked out. But I understand that. Because perception, we talk about this with a lot of places, I think it's interesting the way we look at teams that have won national championships. Even if no one on that roster is currently done. So we treat Alabama Clemson at Ohio State differently in this group. That's why we're so high. We've seen urban do it before there's a different weight class points that you brought up for that two thousand fourteen conversation. Can we also acknowledge that that's part of the other side of the conversation that we happening for Notre Dame? You mentioned Kevin they don't have a conference championship game. If they needed a win. They would wish they had a conference championship game because they don't need a win. It's a glorious thing for them that they don't have. How are we helping me? Why Mike is this going to be like I'm worried about Mike on Saturday? If you're listening on Twitter. Obviously, we're going to keep hanging out. Mike Golic Kevin a Ghandi Chevy scales. Thank you guys for joining on studying fits, presenting the rank rankings reaction show. If you're hanging out with us on Twitter, we're going to keep going. We're not we're not going way. Kevin doesn't get to go home and sleep. There's never any sleek. My friend three can't. Three can't. 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The Tie that Wasn't

Herbstreit and Fitzsimmons

36:00 min | 1 year ago

The Tie that Wasn't

"Hey College football fans. This is Ivan is though I wanted to share with you an episode from my narrative podcasts down in distance which touches on some of the stories that have defined one hundred fifty years of college football. This one is about the fiercest battle in the ten year war between Woody Hayes is Ohio State Buckeyes and both Comeback Michigan wolverines over reigns the ten ten tie in nineteen seventy-three change the big ten and the bowl business forever the tie that wasn't hope you enjoy it you you can find the rest of the episodes wherever you download your podcast over the course of one hundred fifty years of college football no pair of head coaches are joined together are quite like Woody Hayes and Boashan Boeckler. It is impossible to think of one without the other for exactly a decade. Did they faced one another in one games great rivalries Hayes at Ohio State Shem Boeckler at Michigan. Their games were so closely fought fought so fraught with local tension and national import that they are known collectively as the ten year war from one thousand nine hundred sixty nine through nineteen eighteen seventy eight. Ohio state and Michigan played every year with a share of the big ten conference title at stake for at least one of them every year in the stories of the ten year war are told and retold in the lower of the two programs handed down from generation to generation for shock. There was one thousand nine hundred sixty nine when Chen Boeckler in his first Michigan team had to play number one. Ohio state which at one twenty two straight games the Buckeyes is needed only to beat the wolverines to claim a second consecutive national championship instead Jumba led Michigan to a twenty four to twelve upset and and woody never forgave bow for that one for controversy there was nineteen seventy one when the decision by officials not to call pass interference on a game sealing ealing interception by Michigan sent Hayes into one of his most infamous sideline tantrums but if you want shock and controversy varsity not to mention political intrigue outrage lasting acrimony and dissatisfaction so large that college football changed its entire post. Oh season then pull up a chair in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. Ohio State and Michigan played to attend ten finish a tie in name only who won the tie who lost it it depended on Wednesday you asked welcome to down in distance distance a podcast about the history of college football art of ESPN's College football one fifty commemorating the One hundred fiftieth anniversary of the sport. I'm your host Ivan Mozelle. Today's show the tie that wasn't we'll tell the story of the one game in the ten year war that embodied everything mythic about the greatest period in the history of one of the Games great rivalries building winning team is it's all about finding the right people for the job. That's why college coaches all over. The country spent so much time recruiting players they need on the field and when it comes to hiring for your business there's no better tool than Lincoln link. Dan provides a vast array of recommended job candidates. All in one Organiz place over six hundred million members birds visit linked in to make connections learn and grow as professionals and discover new job opportunities. That's how I make sure your job. Post gets in front of people with the right hard skills and soft skills to meet your row requirements. Things like collaboration work ethic adaptability. Lincoln does the Legwork to match you to the most qualified candidates so you can focus on hiring the person who will transform your business to get fifty dollars off your first job post go to Lincoln. Dot Com slash. CFP that's linked in dot com slash C. F. B. to get fifty dollars off your first job post terms and conditions apply. I have a story to tell you a small interaction that has stuck with me for more than a decade to tell you the truth. It's really the reason I chose this subject for down in distance. It was a chilly gray November Monday in Ann Arbor in two thousand six in five days number two Michigan would travel all three hours south the play number one Ohio state. This rivalry is always played at a fever pitch but this particular year the fever bordered ordered on delirium archrivals had been ranked one and two for five weeks the build up to the game had been incessant unrelenting always with of an air of inevitability and now game we had arrived. This game was so big that the coaches Monday press conferences felt like a playoff event. Michigan put on a show. They had the usual suspects head coach. Lloyd Carr spoke in several players spoke but the most captivating wolverine was a seventy seven year old man three weeks removed from having a defibrillator implanted in his chest. Sham Bachelor no longer radiated energy combustive -bility the way he did when he prowled the Michigan sideline as a young head coach he walked slowly aged surrounded his sharp edges. No longer hid has affinity for people behind gruff exterior. Don't get me wrong both still had his growl in his blue is still blazed with the competitive fire that one two hundred and thirty four games with the Wolverines for the most part Bo resembled a softened kindly kindly old coach until one subject came up the end of the nineteen seventy-three season when undefeated number four Michigan played undefeated number one Ohio state to a ten ten tie and did not get the big ten's rose bowl bid on this chilly gray November November Monday in two thousand six ocean Boeckler had four days left on this earth. He died that Friday morning the day before the Ohio State Michigan game but on that Monday when I saw him is inter fires still roared at least on the subject of nineteen seventy-three I asked Bo a straight question about that game assuming that maybe the passage of more than three decades in the perspective of an elderly man might have cool does anger nope not a chance they literally screwed us out of the Rose Bowl and I mean it just exactly the way I said it is if anyone within earshot could doubt him Schimdt Boeckler called it the greatest disappointment of his four decades and coaching a decision Asian that went against him because of as Bo put it political bullshit nineteen seventy-three was year five five of the ten year war archrivals had split the first four games in doing so had made the renewal of the rivalry and national holiday on the College Football Calendar Islander the Games then an now felt less like football games than epic contest of will and Brute Force Archie Griffin one onto heisman trophies at Ohio state. He started at tailback for the Buckeyes and four games. During the ten year war years later he looked back on his career career and said I can think of at least three of those games that if we had to play the next week I probably wouldn't have been able to play the hitting was just that hard. That was the football that Woody Hayes Griffin's head coach believed in Hayes coined the phrase three yards and a cloud of dust he saw football. Paul is a measure of strength determination of who was the better man forget deception and trickery. Hayes remained skeptical of the forward pass Doc. His playbook was more like a pamphlet. He didn't care whether the defense knew what was coming as believed that his players were bigger stronger and ran the play to perfection. The defense couldn't stop them anyway. Hayes was a conservative on the football field. Actually he was a conservative off the football field. He counted among his friends. The incumbent President Richard Nixon who no kidding tried to interest as and becoming head of the Peace Corps Woody Hayes as the coach who assaulted a news photographer one year at the Rose Bowl who and fury destroyed a down marker head of the Peace Corps. You can't make like VAT up potion. Boeckler may not have been quite as volcanic has hayes but his lava ran hot too. Chen the bachelor also worshipped in the Church of three yards and a cloud of dust. That's because Bowe had been raised in college football by woody. They began his head coach and player earlier at Miami of Ohio where Schindler played on the line for Hayes Redskins. That was Miami's nickname those insensitive times they continued and you're together for more than a decade is head coach and assistant at Ohio state until nineteen sixty three when left to return to Miami as head coach five years later. Ohio state won the nineteen sixty eight national championship ending its regular season with a fifty two fourteen rout of the archrival level that Hayes detested the Michigan Wolverines late in the game. The buckeyes scored a touchdown to take a forty eight fourteen lead with the game safely alien hand. Hayes rubbed Michigan's face in the loss instead of kicking the extra point. He kept his offense on the field to go for. Two points asked after have a game. Why would he gave one of the most famous answers of his hall of fame career because they wouldn't let me go for three that nineteen sixty eight. Buckeye team may have been the best ever to play in Columbus. That was no excuse it. Michigan change needed had to be made a few weeks later. Beauchemin Boeckler took over at Michigan a few months later after Bose Wolverine Stage that one thousand nine hundred sixty nine nine upset of the number one buckeyes a team that witty thought was the best ever to play in Columbus. The ten year war had its Fort Sumter. Everything Woody and bowed did three hundred sixty five days a year pointed toward beating the other one on a Saturday in late November. Cornelius Green played quarterback back for Ohio state in the Mid Nineteen Seventies. His teammates called him corny years after his career. pointy green told an interviewer. There's nothing like a Michigan game. We practice for Michigan in the spring. The summer the fall I remember we played Indiana one year and we practiced for Michigan on Monday. Tuesday and Wednesday we practiced for Indiana on Thursday and Friday a green was a sophomore in nineteen seventy three the year of the tie that wasn't so as Michigan's quarterback Dennis Franklin Light Green Slick runner but also more accomplished passer Franklin Light Green embraced the pressures and expectations that came with such a high profile job and there were a lot of both the nineteen seventy-three it would be the fourth consecutive season that Michigan came into its season ending game against Ohio state with an undefeated record add add to that the fact that Kim Boeckler in five years at Michigan at a record of Seventeen and oh in big ten games at the big house better known as Michigan Stadium mm-hmm and one more thing the home team had won the last six games in this rivalry all the data pointed to the wolverines yet they were three and a half point underdogs to the Buckeyes undefeated. Ohio State Number One Ohio state in Ohio state that had been groundbreaking if not ground shaking in its first nine games after Ohio state opened the season with a fifty six seven victory over Minnesota gophers coach Cal stoll said of the Buckeyes. They're no longer three yards in a cloud of dust now. They're twelve yards ars in mass of humanity. Ohio state had won every game by at least twenty four points Michigan won all of its games by at least fourteen points while the a defense so good that it wants went fifteen consecutive quarters without allowing a point the winner would go to the Rose Bowl per usual but this season the winner would rake in more chips from the pot. A victory would provide the inside track in an unusually crowded national championship race. Ohio state Notre Dame Alabama in Michigan all entered Thanksgiving weekend with an unblemished record. Oklahoma was unbeaten with a tie in that pack. Pick a victory over an unbeaten top. Four team would provide separation going into the bowls. What what no one knew is game week dawned is that Ohio state had a problem specifically sophomore quarterback corn green had a problem yet chipped the bone in the farm owners throwing hand which had swelled somewhere south of melon somewhere north of where he could grip the ball well enough the throat. You didn't even practice actress the first two days of the week would he said something to the buckeye writers on Monday about green having a knee injury it really really was his thumb and he really did have trouble gripping the ball well enough to throw it not that green through a lot barely even throw a little eleven games games that season green through forty six passes but his inability to throw would come into play on that Saturday. You know who works hard rookies sure they make mistakes but no one's got more to prove knowing each as another opportunity to outworked them all earned the respect they deserve. That's why after one hundred thirty years car heart still approaches each day with the passion and work ethic of a company that's one hundred thirty years young same hunger same determination same giant chip on the shoulder and in the same way a rookie needs to work hard earned the respect of their peers. Everything Carl Hart makes has to keep earning the respect of the hardworking people who wear it. That's why car heart still works like a rookie why Carl Hart will keep working them all for the next one hundred thirty years to visit car heart dot com forward slash. CFP to learn more and shop this season's hardest working gear Game Day dawn with a chilly rain. The Faucet turned off by game time but it was cold it was raw and it was was just what we've come to expect when Ohio State Place Michigan what we didn't expect was what Ohio state did when it ran out of the tunnel onto the field at Michigan stadium the Buckeyes ran directly toward the famous M. Club banner the one that the wolverines sprint under when they take the field in the Buckeyes tore the banner down on a defiant gesture on the opponent's home field as if this game needed a tone to be set became clear in the first quarter that this game would be different for both teams. Ohio state the twelve yards and a mass of humanity. Ohio state didn't make a first down on its first three possessions. Michigan wasn't making any progress either but then on the first play of the second quarter. The buckeyes began to make things things happen Archie Griffin broker on for thirty eight yards. I gotta by the Freshman fullback Pete Johnson in one thousand nine year old two hundred and forty seven pound pile mover punished Michigan inside state kicked a field goal in the final minute of the half scored a touchdown guys. The guys puch down says Archie ran five times for forty one yards on that drive the buckeyes led ten to nothing at halftime setting the stage to take advantage of a Michigan defense that in the second half surely would put more people people at the line of scrimmage to stop the Ohio state running game in chess match your football. Ohio state would respond by throwing over. That's how football strategy strategy works. That's not how Woody Hayes worked as we have seen by the stats would he didn't have much use for the pass is team had gotten a ten to nothing lead by running the ball and that by God was that after all this quarterback had a bad throwing hand so hayes kept running Archie Griffin between the tackles Michigan put eight men on the line of Scrimmage Michigan put nine men on the line of Scrimmage Ocean Mbeki knew how his mentor thought he knew what he wouldn't throw the ball and he was right. Ohio state play collar in the press box would call a pass woody. You're listening on the headphones would scream obscenities in archie would run the ball into the line again. Ohio state running back coach Ed Farkas said after the game and no matter how good you are. You can't beat a good team. Not varying your attack. We played it to Dan Conservative in his book. Buckeye a study study of Hayes during that nineteen seventy three season author Robert VIR quoted an Ohio State Offensive Lineman on his head coach woody choked on us. He got so tied. He wouldn't let us play our game. We blew him out that second quarter with Pete Johnson in there. So what is would he do. He takes pete out in the third quarter quarter. Why because pizza freshmen in a freshman might make a mistake freshman had been eligible to play college football for only three years as we have established woody. Hayes didn't like change yen quite bought into freshman year before the the inserted Freshman Archie Griffin into the opening game and sure enough. Griffin fumbled as I carry would. He didn't put him back into the game. Archie believed the first I carry of his Ohio state career might have been his last the next week. Hayes did give him another chance rippin rush for two hundred and thirty nine yards a school record. That was the second game of the season. This was Michigan with everything riding on it. Another player told there where we could have scored on them easy. If we'd thrown the ball or mixed it up a little woody not only has to beat a team yes to beat them down yesterday brutalize the the other team. That's what he thinks. Football is all about it wounds his pride to pass its admitting weakness. What might would he have done what his former apprentice. Bo Did he took advantage of a defense set up for the run with the score ten to three in the fourth quarter. The wolverines had a fourth and one at the Buckeye ten yard line. Franklin quarterback faked a handoff into the line put the ball on its hip and went around the end into the end zone untouched workout. This scoreboard said the game was time but the momentum had all tilted to the home team. The big house was roaring gamble. The Gopher two times like kissing in your mother-in-law main on one play all the momentum's stop in the seeds of controversy that with envelope this game were planted. Michigan Offensive Line Blue and assignment in Ohio State Defensive Lineman by the name of Van Decree went on block cre- he crashed into Franklin Sakhnin and broke Franklin's collarbone fare went the Michigan offense. The end of the game became an offensive comedy with one minute. One second to play in the score is still tied woody bound to reality -ality that he might need to complete some passes to win the game. He sent in his backup. quarterback greg hair a better passer than corny green. Even when Greenspan wasn't swollen but hair had sat for fifty nine minutes he went in cold in Michigan intercepted his first attempt in Ohio State Territory Tori Michigan Kicker Greg Landry's forty four yard game winning field goal. Went Wide Ohio state tried three more desperation passes in the game didn't so much end as Peter out this one thousand nine hundred seventy three twenty three years before the institution of Overtime Final Score Michigan Michigan ten Ohio state ten consensus feeling on both sides on both with sides was that Michigan we get the Rosebowl bed after the game woody Hayes is face. Fallen is hand trembling said we knew we had to win to go in we didn't the loss was an. Ohio state tragedy a number one team shoved aside because the coaches unwillingness unwillingness to trust his coaches and players know bowl game no chance to win the national title and then one day later the tragedy switch sidelines every college football season. 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Learn how wow CINTAS can help get your business ready it. CENTAS DOT COM the controversy versus that would take hold of the big ten was a self inflicted wound for one thing unlike the SEC in the Southwest Conference in the ACC and the big eight. The big ten allowed only one team to play in a bowl game. It's not as if the rosebowl needed the protection. I mean it's the Rose Bowl but that was the rule in big ten coaches not named woody and Bo. We're sick and tired of it eleanor coach Bob Blackman heard about it when he recruited against schools and other conferences differences in one thousand nine hundred seventy three six teams from the SEC in three from the big eight went to ball games. If a kid goes to big eight school Blackman told sports illustrated he has a fifty fifty chance of going to a big bowl in the big ten years a ten percent chance but in nineteen nineteen seventy-three the decision to break a tie was totally in the hands of the League's ten athletic directors they would vote and their decision would stand and here again. Michigan seem to have an edge five of the ten days it played at Michigan Ohio State had gone the year before. I know that wasn't a rule any longer but that's how people thought those are common sense reasons but in this story this is roughly where common commonsense went on Sabbatical Branston common sense would dictate that someone either big ten commissioner Wayne Duke or one of the eight voting athletic directors who didn't have a dog in the hunt would called Michigan to inquire as to the condition of Dennis Franklin in his broken collar bone in our modern age when news travels travels four G. Speed and the media thinks in terms of right now instead of the next morning's paper sportscenter would have had hourly updates but in one thousand nine hundred seventy beneath three no one called well do call the Michigan Stadium press box when he arrived at the Detroit airport after the game Saturday night but no no one ever talked to the Michigan trainer to find out if there was a chance that Franklin might be available for the Rosebowl. Here's what the big ten athletic directors knew. They knew that the big ten had lost four rose bowls and ro they knew they wanted in the street and they knew that Michigan might not have its quarterback and so on Sunday morning they voted as awoke Sunday morning and the disappointment he felt the day before or had not lifted if anything he felt worse that morning the thirty-seven-year-old team trainer. Al Heart died after a long bout with cancer and what he face facts he knew he wasn't beloved in the League. He never tried to be like never needed it. I thought he would say the directors would vote for them in motion Boeckler coach of them of Michigan caught arrive with a sports information director on Sunday into Detroit record his TV show in those days when teams on TV only once or twice a year coaches had a weekly TV show in which they would show the coaches film and discussed the game chatted on the way in about the trip to California. Komo talked about making sure. The team enjoyed the trip about not working them too hard car pulled into the parking lot at W. W. J. TV capacity of writers and TV guys awaited them. Detroit News reporter approached bow and said. Did you hear the news what news they voted. Ohio state to go to the Rose Bowl in his autobiography ghosted by the Great Mitch Albom. Bo said he stalked away from the media went into the TV studio and began kicking everything inside trash cans chairs. I have never been so angry in my life. Woody Hayes got a phone call tipping him off as to the result was sworn to secrecy so he called home when his wife answered it began humming California. AH -FORNIA here we come. Oh and he tore up his concession speech. The final vote was six to four in favor favor of Ohio state so who turned on Michigan there were more suspects than Christie novel Hathaway as as may have gone to Michigan but it was a good bet that none of them had much use for Don Canham the Michigan. Ad More to the point he had little use for them. Most of that time were former players or coaches kicked upstairs when they got tired of coaching or when coaching got tired of them can. I'm was a promoter a businessman. His first priority was to put butts in the big house seats. He thought like a salesman he knew that if he brought high school bands from all over the area to play at halftime in the parents would come and buy tickets canham thought progressively the other eighties thought like coaches. Canham wants called them a bunch of donkeys Wayne Duke. The Conference Commissioner never released the results of the vote. I I want to count the envelope. Containing votes was destroyed. Schindler told the Michigan Student newspaper Athletic Directors and Duke were running scared after losing four straight rose bowls. They needed a winner to help their prestige well. The big ten has lost any prestigious ever had I'm disillusioned and with the administration of College Football. This is why kids are losing respect for America. Yeah he went there both sided with the pot-smoking longhaired longhaired. Vietnam War protesting counterculture and woody does mentor responded those attitude. What he said was typical. Live today where every decision was questioned the problem today. Is We don't accept decisions. I've always accepted decisions that would come as news lose to the big ten officiating crews but we digress. Shinseki accused Duke of engineering the vote in his book. Bo said he got see-saw Coleman of Illinois to changes vote and influence some of the others he'll tell you it's not true but it it is and I will never forgive him. Coleman said he would have voted for Michigan. A Franklin were healthy in that era before email. Bo got hundreds of letters so did the big ten office at Sherman Covered College football for the Chicago Tribune for many years. Here's here's just written official history of the League in the Book Sherman quotes. Some of the letters sent to do a man in Chicago wrote since when is a whole team victimized because one player was injured another letter began dear little ten commissioner and my favorite favorite written as the country was caught in the throes of political scandal in Washington a new Watergate has arisen once proud decent and upright conference it has sunk to new depths of mediocrity and immorality that one was signed in the Lord's Service always Robert F Heft Pastor Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church Hammond Indiana. Bo didn't stop attacking Wayne Duke Not in the days following knowing the decision not after the commissioner put the Michigan Coach on a year's probation not as we said at the top of the podcast thirty three years later four four days before Schimdt Boeckler died in one sense athletic directors were right right they sent Ohio state to the Rose Bowl in the buckeyes broke that four game conference losing streak pummeling. USC Forty Two to twenty one. If there was any consolation for Michigan any at all the Thai prevented Ohio state from winning the National Championship in a battle of unbeatens in the Sugar Bowl Notre Dame defeated Alabama twenty four to twenty three the Irish were voted number one but in another sense the big ten athletic directors were wrong or at least their reason for rejecting Michigan was wrong on New Year's Day a news photographer visited Franklin the quarterback Acoust- broken collarbone was the supposed reason for not sending the Wolverines West. Franklin said he was pain free to prove it as the photographer recorded it it Franklin threw a snowball judging by the actions of a conference Wayne Duke in the big ten athletic directors wanted no part of the spotlight the trained on them at the end of the nineteen seventy three season by nineteen seventy-five illeg had put in to new rules one in case of a a tie the rose bowl berth would be awarded to the team that had gone the longest since its last trip to Pasadena and two more important the league relaxed its restrictions against allowing only one team to play in a bowl that legacy is both checklist gift to the big ten into Olive College football think of all the big schools in the big ten make of all those big alumni basis who live in the upper midwest where the holiday season is frigid think of all all those snowbird alums who make their way to Florida into the desert the bowl business sure thought of him from eleven bowls in nineteen seventy four the last cheer of Champions only in the big ten the number of balls increased fifteen nineteen seventy eight double the twenty two by Nineteen Ninety eight and has almost those doubled again in two thousand eighteen eight big ten teams went to Bowl Games of course there now fourteen teams in the big ten but that's a story for another podcast. Ohio state fired Woody Hayes in December nineteen seventy seventy eight the day after the gator bowl when Hayes slugged Clemson linebacker who had the temerity to intercept the Buckeye Pass. I don't know if it was a punch heard round the football world but it is the punch that ended the ten year war no offense to haze his successor Earl Bruce or to any other coach in this rivalry just isn't a war without woody and Bo in those ten years. Bo One five games what he won four and there was one time Hazen. Sham Boeckler renewed their friendship once they didn't coach against each other. SCHIMDT Boeckler even invited Hayes to speak to his Michigan team. Jim Bachelor's autobiography a chapter entitled. Woody and me begins. I loved Whitney Hayes. I'm not not ashamed to say it down in distance. I'm Evan Ms L. Down in distance as part of ESPN's college football one fifty commemorating the one hundred fiftieth anniversary of the sport. If you like this episode please subscribe on Itunes or wherever you get your podcast down in distance is produced by Nina earnest with help from Scott Seeber's Ryan Intel and jody ever again our engineer is Josh macrey special thanks to Alexandria Alexandria Cooper engaged by saying the executive producer of Espn College football. One fifty is John Doll. I'm Ivan Mozelle on our next episode. I'll tell you the story of how college football and the deep South was integrated in the nineteen fifty-six sugarbowl in believe me you'll be surprised at who who lined up on which side of a debate standing at Armageddon on the next down in distance.

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