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Garden Resolutions with Ken Druse-A Way To Garden With Margaret Roach December 30

A Way to Garden with Margaret Roach

25:56 min | 1 year ago

Garden Resolutions with Ken Druse-A Way To Garden With Margaret Roach December 30

"From away to Jordan Dot Com and Robin Hood. RADIO DOT COM. This is a way to garden with Margaret Roach. Your weekly invitation to dig in and grow. What do you plan to do differently in the garden and twenty twenty? Maybe something that didn't work out out so well this year or a project that's been put off so long that it simply must be placed at the top of the list for spring. We've got some garden resolutions to share share today but first this message underwriting support from timber press your go-to resource for books in gardening and nature. Whether you're new gardner a professional at the top of your field or reader you're interested in the wonders of the natural world. Their books are there to help you. Grow Timber Press Dot Com last time Kendrew visited the show. Just a couple of weeks back we got so sidetracked sidetracked into talking about favorite tools that we rely on that. We barely started sharing our garden resolutions and then time ran out. So He's back today as promised Thomas to make his confessions and I will make mine so welcome Kanye ready to confess. Yeah me too to Oh boy So we're not just approaching the end of the year but the end of a decade so we'd better make some hefty resolutions right. Yeah well I'm not sad to see that decade go a years ago I made a New Year's resolution and I've kept it and my new year's resolution solution was to not make New Year's resolutions. Okay so sorry. You're saying garden resolutions. Because I'm going to make some of the okay so do you. You want to start town by telling me some of yours and before I tell you some odd. I'll start with a real quick story a many years ago I I was at Helen's daughter Garden in western Massachusetts and was planting whips Magnolia whips and with some of her friends and they said Oh Helen. Why are you planting such small trees? She was you know Richard Dirt and I remember she was about seventy five years old and when she was ninety two sitting on a bench edged the shade of the trees. So I try to remind myself plant anyway as it crosses my mind. I'm not GonNa see this mature sure or maybe I won't have fruit in my lifetime just just planted so no stinking thinking as they would call it in self help program right right in writing none of that negativity and and the other thing is that if even if you don't literally get to sit under like Helen's daughter did someone will and so yeah. Plant it all right. So that's a good one for planted for kids planet for granted exactly exactly cut down too many trees anyway so plant plant trees like I thought about my resolutions on. They're almost all about what he plans so into what he plans. Now you you WanNa tell me one. I'll tell you one then you tell me what do well mine are a little more. You know complicated complicated. Like I really need therapy Because and I mentioned this very briefly at the end of the last visit to the show that you were on You know that I a I have. I have to acknowledge speaking of twelve step programs in self help a little mantras stuff you know. I'm powerless over. Dot Dot dot. I'm powerless over. Some of those early ground covers that I planted you know thirty years ago or whatever all these things ground I wrote a book about ground covers. We were all into ground. Covers the whole ground cover section and every catalogue and and a lot of and turn out to be thugs And so they spread a lot and that was a good thing. At least it felt like a good thing to a beginning Gardner but it's not a good thing and now I've got all these things that are romping farther and farther and they've far out Gone beyond their bounds and so the problem is and maybe other people listening. Have this problem to on a smaller. A big way in their cartons if they've been there even ten years or five years stuff. That's where it's not supposed to be. It's gone farther than you intended. And you know we can turn a blind eye and then suddenly you've got a mile of it and if you look at it all every instance of that in your whole garden. We need to divide this. I need to take that out and vote you get paralyzed. At least I do right so my resolution was to. I made it this past fall when I was doing clean up and I said you know what I had to help her that Dan you know what today. We're going to spend our four hours. We're going to pull out this one. One section of Lamia Stream It's sort of a Nedeli like being a very gated ground cover. We're going to do this one section and then this winter we're going to sit didn't have coffee someday and we're going to decide what ground cover plugs little baby plance to order native probably Shade Plants Ferns or whatever that are going to go in this section they're not gonNa Romp you know but one section so my resolution is one section time in and so clean it up and replanted wanted and then I can move onto the next because otherwise I'm all over the place and nothing gets finished. That's how I am. I think I don't think you're like that. I think you follow thirty better than follow through. I think you're marcus tedious than I am. Not As tidy as your because you have tourists and I don't have the mini tours. But you know you're saying to pull out the ground covers. I was with you and I was thinking. Well what is she gonNA put down chopped wood mulch or something but then you said you're going to plant plants. Yes I can think of no better ground. Cover Mulch mulch right. And so I'm thinking and I'm pondering it gives me because I did that section it's a big section in fall You know kind of prep didn't and I know that what will happen in spring. Is that some of the remainders that I didn't get tried to dig out the root of these things. But they'll sprout up here and there and I'm GonNa have to do one more smaller cleanup but I wanna be ready with a plant outdoor a number of plants to like a mosaic. And you know again it might be ferns it might be you know I love trillions. I love you know some girls because it's in a place under a shroud so it's A. It's it's semi sheets. It's bright shade but it's shade. It's definitely shade so I have to think about what. I'm going to put their have the winter to do that but I need to be ready in the spring so that that's my kind of resolution is give myself time. I have the time to order your plan to choose to order the plants. Not a super rush job and then I can move onto the next section once. I've good. Yeah so wish me luck. I took Lampien last balls. Yes we'll see and I'm sure I've already planted bulbs there so you know nature of horsa vacuum. And so do I. Yes yes yes yes yes yes so what about you another one. Well this is a very hard one for me You know our friend Marco if he doesn't like a slant it's out but I I have so much trouble letting or ground covers not so bad lambaste room Yorkshire but when it comes to in trees I've planted a whole lot of Doug Eastern dogwoods from the mountains of Mexico the Urbana which has fused brax have have lots saplings Eighty tall now right so sear. I hope to have some flowers some flowers and out of these eight trees that are very skinny too. Close together the ones. That don't have nice flowers or nice state. It's going to be a little are Bora side. Think of Markle. Yes and so. We used to people who don't know Marco is was the founding director of horticulture of Wave Hill the public garden in New New York City in in the Bronx and worked for many many years fifty two year old garden and he was probably the first forty years or thirty five year. Thirty five years. Something like that. Yeah Yeah so And he is and he says barrier dead and fast. Which means if you have a languishing plant that's looking to us? Miserable like stop op fussing over it start over you know making new make a fresh start. Oh you made me think of something no or give it away. Oh Oh new. Don't give it to me you don't give it to me. Okay Yeah Yeah So another thing that I've done I hate to say that I've done wrong or I've been bad but that's how I feel and so I just want to say that loud so I feel it makes me feel bad when then I haven't taken my own advice or the wisdom that I know from others. I haven't set a good example And I in really what it is is my garden is too big for me. You know it's two point three acres and it's you know it's a lot. It's really a lot too much manage and so stuff gets neglected. I'm getting ready for spring. Bring tourists your mentioned before all you know in April and early May the first ones are usually in the first or second week of May and I have to say. Hey you know we're not going to get to that area and so what happens. Is I close off that particular area and I do that a couple of years in a row and guess what you know. It's a mess and one of the things things I've noticed is that instead of because I'm again having the tourist instead of All my beds are in turf so my beds are within grass ask. They're surrounded by grass. There's no stone edge or metal edge Is that they're like islands. I guess is what I'm saying in turf and so the the easiest thing is just to cut a clean edge with your edging tool and put on your mouth. Well the thing is though. The bed gets an inch bigger and bigger in an inch Baker right because because because there might have been a plant that flopped over the edge and made the battle messy at the edge. So you cut it a little white. Well you do that for a few years without reselling reselling some grass seed right and re you know kindling that turf on the edge. You don't keep the bed the same shape and size it gets bigger. And then guess what happens to your pathways single-file loops between two beds. You know so I need to do turf stuff stuff and I hate. I hate growing grass. I hate it I just hate it But I need to do it. So that's my other thing for the coming Spring and actually in my in the northeast. The best area is mid August to mid to late September for turf repair but I need to do some spring this year to have you done any of that of you were where do you hate it. I just feel like I don't know I don't think I'm good at it and I'm impatient. I think you need to keep it watered and inevitably. I guess it's just bad luck you know Nevin ably all Do you know I'll get out all the I'll do everything I'll get all the right supplies I'll I'll do it and then it doesn't rain for three weeks and you know you you water the first few days but then above of you and you need to water every hour right lives right. You're not in the minds me when I lost my hair sometimes a little patchy thing coming in I do. I do renew the the pads and I kind of do it in the spring right. I actually I did it. This fall too and nothing happened. So 'cause September was so incredibly dry but I usually for for most of the places where they're still is grass. I'll spread about half an inch. Layer of compost directly on the grass in. Rake it in in some places. I'll put some soil mix with compost end grass seed and try to patch it over. I awesome Saad sometimes. Put that down even so some grass seed in that when inserted a different color. which is Kinda Weird? I now I now but I have these I have these things. I don't know exactly what they're for. I think that they interlock and they have big spaces in them so I can put them down on the grass grassy. Still run the wheelbarrow over them. and the dog's still stay off them and that helps when you. If you're trying to grow grow grass with dogs and Wilbur on yourself you inevitably need to walk there. Well and that's the problem is and as I said you know. I'm going to have the first week tours and the first week of June torso. When is this going to grow you know again? I'm going to be closing off areas. I guess but I have to do it. I have to do it because because otherwise. Ah Things get out of proportion. Misshapen and again the pads get narrow and so forth. So I don't have to do every single one and in fact keeping up with the watering and says another place where have to acknowledge my limitations and keep it simple I have to pick an area and say hey. I'm going to renovate this one in. May you know. And I'm going to renovate this sworn in august-september period you know not do the whole thing and have the places impassable every in every direction do you ever use aggressee. That's coated with the voice. I think I'm going to start. I think I'm going to do that this year because And my objection. Is that a lot of that. Has a chemical fertilizer sir included in it. And that's my objection because I don't really want to purchase a product that has chemical fertilizer. So I'm going to do a little homework on on on that but I like your idea with the compost. I mean that's really the old style best way to go about it. And there's another wonderful thing that A friend a science he kind of friend told me about not long ago research from Cornell University and Actually Iowa state I believe it was Got Together gather because they wanted to Was the turf grass group at each university that was trying to help with Damaged areas of football fields was where the research began on and also crabgrass coming into those damaged areas where the turf was weak. And you know 'cause crabgrass it's like an annual it'll so into any void. Speaking of nature loves a vacuum vacuum and so that research led to this and they didn't WanNa user besides To kill off anything and to prep the new areas though the repaired areas so it they experimented in the camp with a protocol and it's best done and again like August September and these are cold weather cold cold winters zones I'm talking about Iowa and Cornell University upstate New York where you do four times in a row two weeks apart apart in that sort of late summer into fall period you oversee just using your spreader you know like you would put fertilizer on with a spreader aggressee with spreader. nope wrap up at all. You just mowed the lawn and overseas four times two weeks apart and with perennial riot. Specially and it's it's amazing the results. They've gotten so it's like nope rap. No you know. Core aeration no detaching no massive acid bringing in of of soil or compost and. So that's another way to like fix areas that are weedy or especially. Have you know crabgrass asked invasion is the idea that the ones coming up or shaping the next one yes exactly and so And end because especially again it was originally. Craig was one of the big problems and that tends to happen bare areas so there was the opportunity and also doing it in late in the season. It's Komo you're mowing even the crabgrass down so that it doesn't set seed so that you're not getting more crabgrass for next year So you're you're seating into these areas various but it really is apparently quite effective so I've read all the research reports I'll give the Lincoln the transcript of the show if people are interested in that I've got to do some of this in spring however okay taking notes camp sorry slathered on about four times. Yes and I'll give you. I'll give you the link to. It's a very interesting report and it's been sort of synthesized sized You know for lay people as well but it's it's very Very positive so yeah well will I resolved to clean my tools and I never clean them enough resolve to put things away after a US them. My whole life never done that. I mean I do it you know. It's just out of my mind. Separated at birth or something or is that possible that you know you've seen some people are cooking while while they're cooking their cleaning. Yeah I can't imagine and you're a good cook but you don't do that right you just pilot. I'm I'm better because I'm mindful of of it now that it's because in the end you're gonNA stuff yeah searches. Try to do it if you can do it. let's see you know a along in many times when I've traveled around the country. Speaking of Omni people and they they'll make a promise like will say. Oh you want that plant out got ten let we send you one and they never do that. Most people don't so I resolved years ago. If I say that out loud to anyone I will follow through and I'm sure they're surprised and I just sent three saplings of American Linden to Minnesota to a couple who I met who said Oh they were trying to fight American Linden and they couldn't find them for their big poverty and blue made a wonderful box and I sent five foot tall. American Linden's Beirut route so I think that's nice and I'm going to do the rest of my life or keep my mouth. Okay if you promise you are going to follow through. Okay that's right okay okay a lot So and any other that you want any other sort of resolutions that you've got going on over there. Will you know every year is they. Don't shop I know don't buy anymore anymore. plants right. Don't believe anymore plants right has going. Oh and then I ended up healing men. I think I might make a a new surfing. When we first moved here we made a big nursery bed and everything up plugged in? Then you could really think about it and still impulse buy A. But I've got some land across the river that's open but it's got deer and it's got black qualms that's two issues to deal with but I might might make a little fenced area to get water there too because I like to shop and see something and you want it. I don't know that acquisitive acquisitive misses about exactly probably something that happened. In my free one year old Self Oh fall in love. Yeah no no I know I know I know I say I'm not going to buy anything either. But then a well and then somebody sends you something complaining that I don't sometimes. Sometimes we get something from a company or something and even though. I don't want that plan but as we said I can't kill it yeah You know I think the other thing is i. Want to continue to be more and more observant And I'm thinking of this. I think because I saw this article in the New York Times this past week about fireblight Moving north a a disease that especially affects Fruit trees like apples and so forth so is very dangerous in orchards has been mostly kept in the southern United States And with the shift in climate another one of these things that's out of control and moving To An resistant to Cabrera. Yes and so right because exactly so and also some of our modern varieties of apples that become ubiquitous have Less resistance apparently to it. Because it hasn't been a problem in the north and because of the way apples are grown in commercial orchards. Today today which is almost like didn't even look like trees. I mean there are these little. I don't even know what you would call them. I mean they WANNA get like fifty they plant them really close close and they pruned them really hard and they wanna get fifty apples off each one but the density of trees is so great compared to full-sized tree space. You know ten feet apart or twenty feet apart so the density works out to to their favor and it's easier to manage them as these again I I don't even it doesn't even look at true to me the way a lot all of them are grown anyway So my resolution my thing is that I have become more conscious more aware and taken more time when I see something thing that looks different to me. That looks odd an insect. I've never seen before disturbed disfigurement something on the surface of a leaf. Whatever I I am taking more time and I'm going to do even more of that to say? Hey what really is this. Take a camera phone picture or take a sample you know. Put it in a plastic bag. Whatever and when you have the time try it out or better yet? Send it to if it's really something that looks like it's bad That's having a detrimental effect on a plant Plant major plant you know. Send it to the pathology lab of my State University. You know of the cooperative extension or whatever but I want to be more conscious I WANNA learn. What do these things look like? Who Do you know what I mean? I mean sure. Yeah Yeah we're kind of a garden. Forensics yeah exactly exactly exactly and and and it's worth taking the time because sometimes these things Like with fire blatant apples if you have full sized trees if it just gets in at one branch you can remove and destroy that branch and you probably can keep it from getting into the vascular system of the whole tree. Not when it's been pruned in the commercial orchards. which to this weird little thing but it gets through the whole system too fast but but in the home if you have to apple trees you probably can save them and and so so? I just want to be more vigilant. That way We'll that's good advice. I think people should go away to garden. Because you're always writing about the next thing I I know there's so many things I don't want to dreary and down on so we have no this week like eighteen nineteen inches. Yeah aw all the user bent down I think I resolution is to go out and see what I can do. Yeah yeah I tend not to poke around until they spring back up themselves. You know I but we'll see it's warming up a little bit so we'll see if you know if there if it's really really really cold andbranch brittle I don't WanNa Really Bang around too much. I know I know that that's good advice but I still at least alleged. Look just like you're saying we should keep our eyes open and we should look for aberrations in anything else that might be odd and check out the way to garden and I love the when I visit your side. I learned something and I learned something about the other creatures in the garden besides the not just the plants plants. Yeah well speaking of that I think we have you know we have like one more minute of one thing. I'd like to say to everybody. As resolution speaking of things like climate change and the impact it's having and the new challenges is presenting for everyone on the planet including getting you know farmers and gardeners and so forth Everyone should join a citizen science project in twenty twenty whether they count birds or they You know identify defy insects and post their pictures. Their camera phone pictures online on bug-eyed dot net whatever it is I- naturalist dot Org. Whatever you WanNa Wanadoo as obscure as mainstream that data is going to really help scientists to have a track of what's going to keep track of what's going going on in different areas where they couldn't otherwise have is right so I feel like each one of us should do that and make it a practice? Even if it's once a week you know ten minutes minutes we devote to it or half an hour. I just feel like that's something we can can do. And it engages us with the reality of what's outside again looking more closely tabled when you when you notice the first bloom in spring and phonology like four G. Y.. Yeah so okay so on that note. I'll see in the next decade Hon. Thanks for taking time Ken my pleasure okay. Underwriting support from timber. Press is your go-to resource for books and gardening nature. Whether you're new gardner a professional at the top of your field or a reader interested in the wonders of the natural world their books are there to help you. You Grow Timber Press Dot Com and thanks to all of you for tuning in to in fact for tuning in the whole year. Thank you thank you Don't miss an episode. You can subscribe free eight to the podcast version of the show on Stitcher itunes or spotify and you can find me anytime it away to garden dot com. You can find Kennett. 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Help I Want To Bail

Help I Sexted My Boss

30:18 min | 1 year ago

Help I Want To Bail

"Hello and welcome to hell say you will when you listen to Michael Owen Peking is there anything I can do but because the overweight up shy I was I felt I manage levels right right cost you really looked at me and said if you had a deck me then I don't come to your etiquette classes until you teach Toco this is my this is my livelihood yes so I wanted to bomb with one of MOM's flash wet wipes side chemists next day for a bleached asshole questions and find solutions to everyday dilemmas like imed let me do it like what should you do if you only eleven run up to the hotel room and this is terrible I we run out Lou role consecutive producer we're both equals this podcast this whole thing was sounded more equal than others this whole this whole thing was your idea in mine I think I think in in his mind he looks after the executive producer before he looks after the just stop and checking it I sort of went up to my room and I noticed that was half role of neuro that was it so thankfully I wasn't Taylor role in a public toilet don't you star search for new producer how'd you start to a new producer apply within and of course what should you do issoire need to this point but I thought I wouldn't get some more before that becomes an issue but of course I didn't take the bureau with me and because they didn't speak a word of English rather he's asked me to flush wet wipe and he's got this shit so we just use pseudo crab obviously you've never felt pay like it you'll just helping you demean myself and mime in the middle of perception face going to have more lou role which is a shame really show is if you've accidentally sakes that you bus book would not Usual Agony Aunt Sally William how known student North I'm more bake off your more steak bake it got yours next week tell him to police finger out that's it he's he's aiming to answer your twenty first century accompanied remember off part I don't believe that you have one job one job when he tells what you say herself to digestive biscuit in fact they all the digestive biscuits that we're in my empha- from you some clamp that finally getting us should we have gender liked Weinstein says well produces really just given up twenty five percent questions violations have like and there's I think news my idea right now all choline in because of May so remember I am exact one has one big I have several codes never ever toilet rolling it's the bane of my life the amount of times leroy running out of Roman public place when I first went to China in two thousand eleven was a bit of a mix up with my combination so as pushing hostile in Guangzhou sweat wipes but don't flush down the toilet always ever look in your big win cope because you'll find the puck tissues and I all assuming that the podcast where we help you navigate the challenges of button life aiming UNSEE thirty questions and find solutions to everyday dial your sheet no was on holiday in Turkey I the trump's really bad when you know you've got an eye kind of thing so yeah let's do it two points on one part gin of course if you run out of going to say if you own of Login Davis kitchen paper makeup should we tell us Mary poppins I'm the shit and I can single-handedly Shadier it was the most embarrassing moment I'm alive 'cause my mom's trying to tell fellow sons some cultures they would use the hens could you will you do everything else that's disgusting I it's now stop pretending ended for series in I have before now completely done out of options no kitchen okay I really don't want to just straight in the shower ah what should you do if you will produce a that's one then we get another podcast now one fishes out remember Mary poppins in London not with you then coming we're going a month later I'm very excited and as you know little thing Mary poppins she's the only woman in my life other than hyacinths bouquet I mean I'm treading this go and see Mary poppins trenching it both ways I do stuff it was a whole group mounting wait a whole sextant Hala J. 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You don't cancel on me that much anymore do you used to uh so yeah I wanna ask you actually yes you wrote an article recently my column and you call them about counseling on friends the time I think now you've probably side with me but at the time you sided with somebody else will this is fucking but other than that you and benefit of this because obviously we need to work around the record and Mary poppins Mary poppins she's told me she tells me every chance so man well probably in our articles yes I want a month yeah yeah probably about the whole situation my younger brother has moved into his own place and it's the first time own and I said how you doing stanmore I came in two thousand fishing I was I still I actually found the facebook messages I sent you really one of a few but you weren't in the main culprit what's the best way to bail them for those haven't read the article I was basically saying don't because there will be times when you genuinely one day a week on the welcome to help our sex to my boss feel very old quiz it's a two thousand seven six years ago did we see six months I mean I say we didn't spay you probably we went say my uncle Brian and calf and then they come back and say I just bought a villa down so they'll part time this is probably a registered book Kim a second among the back to the back already know I'm on the red anyway many friends it's going on his own I long for is it is one of them helped me find myself replies the message we like who who reached out to who we did have a fall out who reached out to probably me now I think I reached out this week not riding on a promise you this Gene Davis next week episode of help I says my boss is going to be the best one ever be interesting shackles will be Eh Priscilla Queen of the desert to you the second time we went to see it I paid you though if David would have been a good reason why couldn't call whether it was a good now goes we have a falling out there was take non-serbian speak was it six no it wasn't yeah this dog might training does it goes away for a week on his own just on his own really folks slow Hook right basic just to like circle brandon given opportunities says our pulse because then cavs every considers inspect yeah we've got picking pulled and Cacique and hey mark I can find the facebook messages I've come off facebook Itchen I don I feel awkward now anyway did you call them in me with me mind let's go do something okay it was a professional activity but there have been some partisan my life social part is already don't want to go to those my birth tale when life certain the proverbial hits the fan and actually if you've canceled because you can't really be bothered cassie example the other day I was I was I I'm not no goodbye here is the DM on instagram account this is come from Sharyl Dumond Jordan I'm delighted that series for is in full swing my first wife agreed to a day after I gave her a Butler tonic water and you'll find out that joke after the break I'm not sure how I feel about Williams wacky words please bring back Jordan's Jones was you've missed the APOSTROPHE Williamsville he words career I think maybe you need that more by the way and then realize that you're not you haven't come down with gastroenteritis or whatever excuses happens to have been so what's not a good reason to be I think I really three hours Chauve I've been works ten o'clock wounded at the time of recording this half sex he will do like them okay. 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I'm really sorry I'm coming up offense Jordan's Jelly Joke Oh never been ready fold island you you walk in to a meeting the other day you had with us I'm so tired yesterday I did ships Bryant's this one is an email from Miriam or she taught herself mims Hollywood him in Jordan I would say so that you can't be bothered that's usually the reason counsel I would cancel because I had a work thing I've got a deadline of her finish attempt for day and just like a communist and it's just easy to bail and you start to get on I want to get him joggers on watch bake off and I want to eat food and how five you get five overwork don't forget we've been friends phasers problem with allowance some way together like one or two Mikey and Lancashire last through in three grew up in just down the road from Burnley but now live in Scotland and half down for the past three years possible to translate on top of this my northern England accent gets mimicked and mocked lot of the time mostly by customers in my retail job so he as whatever the story whether it's a quiz on this out recently pulls it okay how have you tried to get quiz if you fellow William Monies that it does time seekonk say sorry so you just go now from a from a small don't agree with that well from East yes my question what's the etiquette you for asking someone to repeat themselves talk slower and you can understand and deal with this kind of mockery especially when yeah and I was saying if you get into camp sold you have to be as succinct as possible phone number rather than text them if need be don't do it the coward's way out and just send a text they get gossiping gossip is especially in more places than we neighbors you've just gotTa when I get involved in gossip on ours no one never said that yesterday they were witnesses to prove it was joke seven hours just like the rest of the nation have to do minors one hour but you know when you've had open yourself up top three I'm really sorry of the world like you can't say that because they can turn on the radio on talk three excuses when you caught me Volvo she she I would say you don't need to give an excuse I am really sorry circumstances have changed I need to be somewhere else. 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Mother/Daughter Relationships: Helen McIntosh & Blythe Daniel

By His Grace

20:15 min | 1 year ago

Mother/Daughter Relationships: Helen McIntosh & Blythe Daniel

"I welcome to another episode of by His grace podcast. I am your host misty. Philip and I am so excited to have my first mother daughter team on the podcast today. I'd like to welcome Blyth Daniel and and her mother Helen Macintosh ladies. Welcome to the show. Then thank you so much. Well Blyth is the president of Blyth Daniels Daniels Agency. She has worked in the publishing industry for twenty years. She's works with many bestselling authors. I'm at Blyth in two thousand in sixteen at she speaks and then have had the pleasure to meet up with her at several other writers conferences and she has a blog about. What would you call your blog about Blog network the blog network and so when they have new authors that come out with books they open up opportunities for bloggers to to write about their books and so that was a great way for me to cut my teeth when I was first learning all about the blogging world and we also have her beautiful whole mother with us today. Helen and Helen is an educator and a speaker an author and she's written a couple of other books but they co authored. A book together. And we're going to talk about that because I think this is a really important message. It's about the mother or daughter. Relationship and their book is entitled Mended Restoring The hearts of mothers and daughters. So we're going to jump right into that mother daughter relationship Russian ship but before we do both. I want you to tell me one thing about your mom and then Helen. I want you to tell me one thing about blyth raced that we may not know so my mom is a really good with words. She is retired now now but she has been a counselor both in the school system and for families Through private practice and I just think it's pretty awesome. I am to have a mom who knows the value of words and has helped not only me but others with their words so it's just fun to think about. How many people that mom has influenced in that world dino? This is so interesting for thank you by the what popped into my head misty. When he said he said what you're about to do thinking you know that people don't know by his meaning nicknames and then by start talking about how much I love for? I have even heard many nicknames. buffy bucket Hurl Buffalo. She acted give you about one hundred good names and I call her all. I'm hope plumbing sanding the spat. Many names right so next. Next time I see your. I'M GONNA call her one of those buffalo. Yeah that's the name of that is her name de Spam ships all all those are exempted. That's wonderful well I wanNA start off I have not read the book yet So I'm just going to ask you about your relationship. Have you always had a good relationship. Or what is your relationship been in like you know. We would say that we've worked hard to get to the relationship that we have right now misty and for those listening. Maybe you didn't come from a good background with your mom or maybe your mom listening. Who has a difficult relationship with your daughter You know our relationship relationship was has really been a miracle because of the relationship that my mom had with her mom which was not a loving environment in fact it was is quite hurtful for from as she was growing up. And so we've worked hard to address things that we needed to address between us and we've also looked at not not carrying the patterns that were done to mom in into our relationship and then at the mother of two young daughters I'm looking at. How can I have a good relationship? Continue that with my girls. They become teenagers so we would say that. Have we have a good relationship now. But it's come through do a lot of effort and intention -ality right. She got it one you know. I had that kind of relationship that your mom had with her mom. My mom was very toxic and My brother died when I was twelve. And it she probably had some mental illness and just spiraled into depression and was full of anxiety. And so I was going into junior high and my mom was a basket case and and She lived much of her life berry bitter and angry and So I can understand Helen what that was like. I had to keep my mom at a distance because every time I was around her she was so toxic than than I would come home and after I'd been with her I could tell I would I would fuss at my kids just because it's hard to break those patterns so I'm really glad that you said that blythe because that's really really really important Ni- don't have daughters. I'm a boy mom. And maybe that was part of God's design for me but it it has taken me. Years is to undo those patterns in the the way that she treated me and So I would like to speak to that a little bit Maybe somebody who is in that situation themselves either. Because I've seen it both ways. I actually have some friends who have daughters who who are in high school and the daughters are the ones who are kind of vile to the MOMS so That mother daughter relationship is so important. So unpack unpack that for me a little bit. Well thank you miss the thank you for sharing. I'm so sorry for your experience and what I'd love to share. Is that even when you're focused on the toxic relationship for repair. If you don't have some answers it it leaves you vulnerable to repeat that pattern in other words the saying is in psychology ecology. That whatever you focus on you run the risk of repeating so those of your listeners. who were focused focused on a poor relationship with their mother or daughter? You'd be really proactive in getting how now because just focusing on it isn't it isn't enough it puts you at Rennes but fortunately We were able to get out ourselves and so we. That's a lot of what we could in the book along with some vocabulary ability to help help detox of the relationship and bring in a have we brought in lots of elements. It's like how to handle forgiveness etcetera to help movie born blind. What would you say and the other thing that I would say? Is that if you're looking at your mother daughter relationship I'm your mother or your daughter that Sometimes it feels like that is going to be the way it'll be the rest of your life and we really want to encourage women that there is hope for you regardless of whether you're mother daughter comes closer to you that you can be okay even if your relationship. Asian ship does not get mended and of course the title of our book is called mended and that is something that we focus on because we know that God has made the way for us to be mended towards him and desires that for us to take the steps to do that with a mother or daughter and the book is based on a two vs in in Isaiah that we really think are are pretty powerful towards the idea of restoration One of those that are figure like as as sixty one four that talks about rebuilding the ancient ruins raising up the former devastations and they will repair the ruined cities. The desolation of many generations and so We want people to know and I guess I would encourage the mom who's in either category that You know looking at How God restores us and then whether or not we are going to be able to be reunited our job is to at least attempt at our job is to be there to to to make every attempt to restore to a mother or daughter water and ultimately We do the best that we can do. We leave the rest of it to guide Sometimes we get that frustration. And sometimes we don't but we we we do have some ways to initiate conversations. I would say what you say. Mom is the way that we really think. You don't really have to have answers in other words the the language we've given in the book says things like Don't know what saying mom but what I want is for us to be restored what. I think that we need to do to make things better. So we have real honest statements. Like I don't know what to say or a no we're not doing very well but And then sentence continued into asking. What does the other person they need to to do to make things better and that puts the ball in court of the US the initiator to bring bring the questions to bear very healing? We have had so much feedback. Kevin way by people are easing. These sentences in relationships. are being repaired. God exciting. Yeah well how has this affected. I Know Oh Helen is your daughter and then black you have daughters of your own. So how has that affected your relationship with your own personal mothers. How has that? How has that affected the way you parent your daughter's you're finding yourself using these sentences with your children aren't at I am an and You know it has been helpful as I think about what mom has taught me and the things that we've worked through mother and daughter as I think about that with my girls. Yes I think the main thing that has really what what writing this book together in what talking about it has done. It's just help us stay in a posture of humility because One of the main things that I think that we we want to share is that the relationship is always being put ahead of being right when when we have differences because we have differences. We were different generations so naturally we have differences in how we see things and how we parent children in. Today's culture Is that we. We WanNa make sure that our need to speak to a mother or daughter is based out of putting the relationship ahead of our differences and not trying to be controlling rolling and tried to control the outcome of how we parent what our kids end up becoming and so As I've thought about sometimes I have to guard my words of what I'm going to say to mom or what I'm going to say to my daughter in. Its walking on eggshells that kind of guarding. It's just a proactive thinking of. If I say this what will the result be. Am I trying to prove that I am. I know better in this situation or my really trying to honor the relationship and let Let the person know. Let my mom or my daughter's know that their thoughts are important and I can. I could say to them. You know To my older daughter is it. Okay if MOM shares with us some feedback on what you're sharing with me is it. Okay Fai give you some feedback on that and she can say yes or no and if she she says no I want to honor that again humility But but if she says yes then I have permission to give her some feedback that it's not trying to force myself on her and force my way and make myself as the mother the one who knows it all and I think that's where we get into trouble. Sometimes with mothers and daughters is that one wants to assert assert their opinion more than the other wants to hear it. And you don't miss the in our fast paced society fast texting it Cetera. One of the few ups of fats. That is that you can see what you you've written and Bligh's probably twice in the last couple of weeks are tapped out a ticks reunion. I've thought move. That's making a suggestion without asking permission. So I raise it. I have yet delete civilization ship with you as far more important than math will be at the moment so I have looked at texting as sort of a mixed blessing in that. I can actually see my worst before. Push go and while you've touched on a couple of important points communication and keeping those lines of communication open. I think that that's really important and I love what you said about about not having to be right you know. Sometimes we think that our what we believe is is so. We're passionate about what we believe and I know for me in an other relationships not even just the mother daughter relationship but with siblings friends. My children my husband. I I think those are just good communication rules because communication oftentimes is the root of all problems. I know for me with my boys. I will say something and they will hear. Here's something completely different is. Maybe they hear it with the tone of what I've said or they have a filter in which they're receiving what I've said and so My husband's been really great about okay when your mom said this what she really meant was this. And that's really helped to to keep our communication open. So what what else would you say. What other advice would you give to somebody? Who's just this relief struggling to work through difficult mother daughter relationship You know I think there are. There are many women who we live estranged from their mothers daughters. And if they try to approach that person It comes with a lot of baggage and expectations in one of the areas that we We want to speak to women about. Is that actually. Not having expectations is a really healthy thing because we we can't have expectations of another person without it becoming a disappointment for us. We have expectations of our thoughts in our behaviors that letting go of expectations. Those are real silent killers of a relationship and so maybe you have expectations of You know wanting to be with a mother a daughter but the person will not meet you on the terms that you would like to have and so you know. I think we can take expectations off and find ourselves. Ask Ask you know certainly ask. God what am I supposed to do in say in the situation God really going to him. Instead of having expectations of person is is really helpful to even say God where where do I need to breathe life into this relationship. What do I need to say? How do I need to communicate with this person? A tell you an example of Something that's happened in the last couple of weeks and that's been that we've been gathering as a group of women To talk about some topics related to mended and One woman who in estranged from her daughter WHO's an adult said to the daughter. She texted her daughter. Who hasn't really been able to respond? It didn't feel like she could respond much to her. Mom Tom but the MOM said Hey. I'm working on an assignment and the assignment is to find the common ground. What do we have in common? And that's part of what we want to talk about with mothers and fathers to start there to look at what you have in common. Because I often we have more in common than we think about but the daughter did respond to her and texted her. Actually actually she called her and said this is what we have in common so it started a conversation instead of just focusing on their differences. What this mom chose today was tape to go to her daughter and say let's what did we have in common? Let's celebrate what we have in common and that opened up a door for them to have starting to have more communication so I'm back that can you really have to look at what you have in common manse great I I was sort of drifting off thinking about a visual week. They took the vote called bump cups so often will be are in a messy relationship. It's hard to know what when I'm responsible for. What are they responsible for and so I hope that Beijing will help others? I suggested that We we picture sure two cups bumping and each represent our heart and you may run now with problems for twenty three which says guard your heart with all diligence for Flows issues of lie. So I I've had clients draw heart on each with the instruction said when they bombed that what comes out of the Cup was what was in the heart of my mother. Used to say you make me so my ahead and the truth is that it was coming at her own and I was not responsible for that I took responsibility but I was not responsible now. Share was responsible for mar response to her and and that focus helped me so much so I I hope your listeners enjoy thinking about two bunk cubs and what comes out. It's a lot of freedom that's beautiful home and did I just see that. There is an audio version of your book. Oh yes lie. Is the voice. Ace Okay Excellent. Well I will have to get that then My mother passed away several years ago. And we did mend our relationship but it it was It was still just really difficult and So I think I'll I'll get the audio and would love to hear blythe read it to me so thank thank you. That's wonderful okay so And when will that be available so that is available. I'm starting at the end of October. So that will be available on Amazon Christian audio as well so okay. Excellent well ladies. Thank you so much for sharing your hearts today. Thank you for four speaking into mother daughter relationship speaking life into that. I think it's such an important topic so I thank you for approaching approaching it and to do it together so beautifully in the pleasure. Thank you so much for so honored. Thank you misty. Thank you thank you for joining eating me today on by His grace. I hope you've enjoyed listening in are encouraged by our guest today. I would love for you to visit my blog misty. Philip Dot Com for more encouragement. While you're there be sure to get your free copy of week. One of the struggle is real but so is God Bible Study and seven Scriptures to pray when you are struggling you can find the on social media as misty. Philip and I would love to connect with you there

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Episode 18  BAME and Access to Mental Health Services (part 3)

CAMHS Talk

38:58 min | Last month

Episode 18 BAME and Access to Mental Health Services (part 3)

"Listening to come talk a podcast brought to you by the service users and professionals from eastland. Nhs foundation trust a podcast where you can hear us discuss debate and challenge issues around child and adolescent mental health in the uk. Hi everyone and i'm delighted to entities episode three f series of Podcasts discussing access to services from young females from an asian heritage and today we are joined once again by my colleague. Helen and we also have rush knee with us today. I liza hello on shawna. So for those of you. That have listened to our previous cheap. Put 'cause we've discussed on. Lots of different aspects of how savage says at kansas is support young people from an asian backgrounds. And today what we're going to look at is whether or not you guys. I know that this Understanding and knowledge among staff cam stalls. In exactly how we can support our young people. Helen that this is a subject that you gave. You'll really passionate about that is in operating so of enjoyed during the costs. Kind of getting an understanding. I'm more awareness of wrong credible. Young people of what that might fail. Obey like am i guess. Kind of following on from that Loss podcast kind of what to look at things and improvements recommendations. You know that we can take forward as a service as well as the young ppo. I'm professionals that might be listening to the podcast. Thank you so. I suppose my question than israeli d'ici fail say all four of us can about the fact that you're no longer using cam. Savage says bought when you were being supported by and the staff at cams or actually this could be open to to what the professionals that have supported you in your johnny attacks a gp all people within your school. Do you think that they had enough of an understanding about how your needs might potentially be different from from other people's Apostle Bitings were any different in. The sense needs in times of culturally like really normal about set. You know appreciate the not making a big deal out of things just because the Looking at whether or not deny like religious whether or not a so if they have different difficulties that was good. I'm shoulder lost. I don't remember they didn't make a big deal about it. Just because of what. I look like riches. We'll stay that treating you differently. Which is a nice thing knoxville. Thanks shauna the. I wonder if anyone else has any comments to add. Should you know it. Might be the ashley Made to Not treat you any differently but it might be you know should we. Should we do you not think we should be asking questions about cultural belief. Liza am definitely like relate to sean point to some extent about Maybe needs not being so different. I've mentioned before how identify more westernized nigeria saw. I'm granted very white area and all that kind of stuff. But then i'm go to say. I think i appreciated the effort. That was made by safeguarding. A kind of team. I say cutting officer at school and also my therapist is well. An effort made to try and educate themselves surprise In like i think. I mentioned previous. 'cause my therapist actually ost Their religion is a big thing for me about coach at made the effort to kind of ask a common prevention previous But as may be kind of ask about my family tree but in terms of like case. What's the name you give to like. You will non on your mom's side and you know and i didn't. I think that s it just isn't it was it was appreciated. My mom appreciated that too. 'cause i think at the end of the day as much as i may identify more westernized i am so south asian and as i've grown up more and actually come to university which is far more diverse than my kind of school in my hometown. I started to embrace my coach From fully transparent as a kid because nobody else is like me but meeting people now like when i look back on the i actually think the i made to educate themselves like to got your win. She say oh what are you. Okay extended family tree in terms of your culture and for pakistani background. I actually appreciate that end. And i think one thing i've come across in some The people is that a young person that i'm actually said something along the lines of and the best thing that therapist did was sit down initial assessment. And say okay. I'm why annual black. What is it that you want me tonight. And what is it the about your coacher in about your background. Going forward through therapy. Won't that stuff you want me to address things you don't say i actually think that transparency is really valuable. I think she does no harm in being really upfront and And saying you know maybe As as professional. Maybe i don't know much about your cultural background. So tell me about it. You know. Make because i think that if it from a young person's perspective is appreciated that if they're not educated they're trying to be by think with kind of recent events people definitely becoming more educated on the matter over like culture and background that such an amazing example. Actually i could see everyone noting that head. Some really agreeing with that actually. Let's let's just talk about it right from the start. Let's address the differences. The hey aaron. And just in the same way as i would wait on a therapist with any young person. I may a fait if they have different a different background today or at a different Religion today than i would welcome landing about us. Oh helen what do you think. That approach Yeah unlike the suggestion at the end of through where we took what he kinda suggested. Actually let's be transparent within sessions. They actually yes. There is a difference. There is no harm in being transparent and being clear and being of yes actually there is. That can be a difference. What can we do To learn about that so i found that quite empowering listening to that because as a therapist i will take that would just kind of went touch a little bit on from what you said in the happy guys at bean kind of stereotype because of your ethnic tastes guy move from that question lays whilst like that was really appreciated. As i mentioned the effort made by my therapy safeguarding team. Whatever to learn more about kind of my background and stuff and this is why like this was not ministers in any way. My therapist got team. They went all racist or anything like that. But this is this gonna give his. Just i guess an example of lack of understanding and maybe sort keys me and maybe kind of Yeah i guess less knowledge about it. So i i picked up about something in therapy and my therapist made this comment which still remember. Now i know something not isn't a typical of your culture so i was talking about ascend hus- into my family something that happened and that kind of behavioral spice and then my therapist in response to obey. Isn't that a typical coacher. Isn't that something to do. Isn't as a normative your coaches and it wasn't it wasn't something that i would like to think. If it wasn't a good thing and and in that respect that kind of common i do remember my safeguard thing lead as well making a comment similar at one point and it sticks with me because i remember off the that commitments made. I was reluctant. I have not moo about that. My family that kind of thing which actually i think now is massive pot kind of anxiety that she exploring therapy would have been probably really helpful by didn't because i was by. Oh what is that school. I want to paint my coach in a bad light. I don't want people thinking. This is wall south. Asian people are like whatever us they're not respect was most self conscious and i think it was less i was latte preemptive to kind of talk about that aspect that aspect of my family. Kind of my. Yeah my life so in that. Respect stereotype to an extent. I think so. That actually really proves the point doesn't eh that know it is about energy. Say i'm show that was deliberate. And i'm sure it was. It wasn't intended to be in any why Offensive but it does just shy that you know you have to be careful. Don't you because the one thing that you don't want to do is to alienate anyone in any. Why and i think going back to your point about being transparent you know and actually i think there is something you know. Very noble about somebody holding their hands up and say. I don't know everything i you know. I'm not an expert in that failed can can you help me. Can you educate me. Will you share things with may Sapphire noting t think. That's a good way of approaching some openness in the conversations. That young people have with therapists hundred like with mike issues very early. Pensions wanted to learn more about my coach. Like i really enjoyed talking. Not explaining twins teaching about my colt. Cia and stuff like that like especially let out the five mitri and explaining how me it's mpp when it was really nice unlike shoot expand. I find me as big as you always always. That yet does asian family. We're a big family. But it was really nice that she was willing to listen and land and just have a law. Sometimes and stuff like it was really inclusive. I feel like might experience Rid the whole coccia like talking about culture of wisdom aetna valley and She's whiz at said to me doesn't think she don't want to talk about. It could just movil and something that made me feel really comfortable in even a peanut more than before So yeah i didn't know. And rush nee or sean entity serve. You have anything that you wanted to add to that any examples Sings that did make you fail. That people had a good knowledge. All that you know not questioned among cultural beliefs Everybody not just people you think is often background so whilst i appreciate the not make a big deal about faxed i was passing. The color would have been nice. If it was a standard toss said you happening like beliefs that you think we should know about exploded. Because you that way everyone even if you will see perot legislature nonreligious is john cecil thanks well. It is the in a you belief and then hopefully a little bit easier. And i completely agree Yeah as i said. I've experienced any discrimination a because i'm asian Again game back to the initial assessment. Being off in the fast pace of anything covers ever awesome. Eighteen coach was up and actually that was a really big underlying. Is she because of next month. That and if that was initially i think opening up would been an easier and any came midway three. My treatment i remember is we would a meal plans and one of my meal. The week's meal plans. The food is very bland very english. I love spicy fade and say my dietitian says okay. Let's have that you have curry. Wants week Chit noyce tonight appreciation remembering yes Coach is still important to me. But it's not the definition of me Just little things like that. Not having a huge focus just remembering not just the initial like cap on assessment through treatment to and that's really interesting. Thank you for sharing that with us site your than that. It would've been more helpful to address you'll and you'll culture right from the start. Yeah because it was just not an industry because it was a normal assassin if thoughts. Yeah it when. It wasn't a normal family i would. I would say because of the stereotype in the stigma around things On if somebody just had the confidence to say look we know that there may be an underlying issue here which he likes talk about it. I think we would have trusted about it but that never happens. I wonder whether we i think assessment is a good point loss. Go to whether or not as clinicians we we do g that i'm batch she i will say kind of think about some of the Celebrations and and for example fostering and thighs of cultural events. That actually have a big impact on mental health. And i think as clinicians we kind of override some of these big coaches at bake events as which really important but can have a significant impact or mental health for example eating really late at night and not having slave in that has a big impact on manso health. And i think as clinicians we. We should become more familiar with those sorts of special dates income. Linda's on events at night. Nicky what your thoughts Corey one hundred percent. That's it is so important. And i think you know. I think that's the such a huge point. That's come out of this discussion. Today is that you will said yet. Let's talk about it right from the start you know. I know the on our initial assessment forms or arab which the referral form that comes in. We do ask for an ethnicity and religion and to bake competed on the form. So so why not. Are you Nagai three that form. You know that's an ideal opportunity. So i see here that you you know stated that you you know have this religion or the eastern. Have this relation. Can you tell me little bit about this. Other relevant his. I'm sure that there is You know. I will hold my hands up and say that. I'm definitely not an expert in knowing when sutton religious celebrations take place and I am sure that i've got colleagues would agree with that Sakhawat has their i dare. I think it's really important to address those festivities and the religious. I guess Dates that kind of do need to be women. That because i like fasting is very hard for people mental health With me i've always faucet lost years. Fos will probably the hardest ones to momo's that look. Abundant really differ cool. I'm not taking our to alter the time. I was taking medication and stuff. And i'm not finding it really cool and i'm not sure if i can keep doing it and she was okay. Look like see how it's going fine. You'd have to do it like if it's making you feel great if it's now hoping you'd that's fine. Just remember the whole point of fox hunting which really a lot for my mom because it was like she understood and she took on board and she she. She didn't make me feel guilty. And obviously when you'll you want to foster any by the but you can't you have the sense of guilt but I think is definitely important for therapists to understand more about each religion I guess Important dates and stuff that needs to be remembered and also how those things can affect mental health. What happened with health secular settings. 'cause i know that i mean i've previously what in education and say you know. I recall around exam time just how difficult that was exam. Time tends to fool around. You know a lot of celebrations that taking place. A lot of fasting. Say you've got so many different factors involved You know you've got the stress of exams if you've You know mental health issues. If you'll fostering you know there's so much pressure isn't on actively we have you know that i know that in education they do make a lot of allowances on they do and they do really trying to bring courage and more discussion with families around. You know just how how. A young has can be best supported during that time. Cy i wonder whether the scheduled into our assessments that what does what does festivities made and what dates are significant and may be putting them into a bit of a plan so that way reminded of dies on reviewing the innis of move prices down. I think that's definite point that we can tight back helen's samia tames and turning coal. Pry into our walk can oviously. We're dealing with people from all different couches in all different religions. And you know so. There's so many different Festivities to bay away throughout the year. But that's that's Such a good point laser. Just on that now i suppose Kind of thinking. Back to the whole thing. I said about just a professional being really open. Would they impressed about their culture in that kind thing so it really ties into that. None of the idea thing. That's such a nice idea to actually from the dog and the get guy be like developed a ramadan. Whatever it as actually as manager. And i think there's actually no haman as a professional even mike. I think i mean some young people wouldn't appreciate it but some would maybe it's just about finding out because every different but even say halfway through therapy. And maybe you've seen on the news volley and you know that you young pass in the hindu leasing his e Perhaps mentioning in therapy session. Close to that time i said i did. You guys celebrate davonte. Did you celebrate need to. How was it tell me about it. What is and i think. Not only in that. Respect is a young person able to educate. Should they choose to. They can also talk about it and how it's affected them. how yeah how. They found that kind of stuff. And i think i think that actually develop therapeutic relationship to which is already positive thing in it builds a good foundation for the remainder of the therapy as well so being fully transparent. Mike tomlin body about ramadan. Tell me about eight. What do you do have was it glass. You think my therapist gang and it's a really cool thing side. I'm just to add on to that point. And you see i seen on social media and also with incomes at that a christmas. The christmas period allow people struggle more with mental health and that's major for misery for people of asian backgrounds t again from an eating disorder perspective. The massive fake some feed and things like to. Wally an ramadan. That can be really really difficult. People and also gain general like mental health and emotions like you the families coming and going and meeting new people. It would be nice to incorporate that too. Yeah thank k. Know i'm guilty of that. We've been discussing during a podcast around. And how young people way straka at christmas. You've just highlighted the fact that we could have done that putt cost. You know a couple of weeks ago when it was delay and had had the same focus. So thank you. Because you've you've made me so. I really think about you know how we can you know. And that might be a really good way of encouraging. Discussion and actually Attracting a different audience to listen to the discussions that were half egg because we could be a half. It not focused you know Thank you for that rush. May so i suppose the next question is them will how how did we. You a really good point. Actually an helena tight back we will. We raise the without tapes seventy ethical. Any other suggestions of things that we can do to may be raise awareness over reach out to young people. Yeah so definitely doing against a specific advertisements A guess Reaching out to people where you know there are low young females attend to set may be group or a certain school with a high number of a I guess the bane community. I guess reach out to those Types of place is an also on nine. You know social media really powerful. These days Technologies at won't safe all you get personalised he gets Advertisements hi fi fi can create something in the sense of that and I guess target people who ought go looking up stuff. Steve mental health. They're struggling Could kind of Provide them for them to look at a may be closely See them reflect themselves will get referred to status. So as far as what you're saying in sapphire is if we had More resort says all and links to things that young people from different all different ethnicities and backgrounds would find more relatable than not might help. Yeah definitely i feel like seeing someone he may be looked like then probably feels like them as well and Just seeing that dynamic Would guess push them in the mold that hope that you know there is a way. I'll i'm not gonna feel that this things will get that plus slowly Fast the main goal That we can try to get to Just being able to provide a multi this I guess that's advertisement or just as the something for them to look at yet. That's exactly how i can look at that person to like. That makes me feel really comfortable. And that's a great idea actually. Asa trust east undergrad Trust is oversee based in areas. That all extremely fast. We cover services in luton mbeki chair by obviously as the name suggests a slum dead and A lot of work at the moment on our website in developing navy's all says. And you know. I think you're ri- having having represented Knows somebody that people can relate to which would hopefully really help pas in reach out to different communities so i suppose That's a great idea. You know the representation on the website. But it's not just our organization is there. I mean i don't know if anyone's got any examples of either really good or really bad so Resources sane because. I know that i've come across leaflets. That might be might might look to be extremely tokenistic. Can that the united states done such you know. They've tried to hard to really represent every single diva's city that there might bay rush may No yeah no. I completely agree and we're not talking about everybody in advertising being brown or black and because i think in some way can always exclude you even more and make the issue more power for example. A lot of this stuff that you see. 'em beats representation series very slim white female at teenager. An nisa back more diversity within an such avas would make at opening up on and general just acceptance and fill like unit you. U2 can have an issue like this better. yeah yeah. I completely get that because it is it would it would make than young people be more willing to ask the help if they could say that they won the only one that was in that situation and i think that's a really good example. Rush nate and that you guys that i'm a no. There's a lot of what being done to raise awareness of how eight disorders can affect anyone male female young old and from all different different backgrounds. And i think that seven potent. You've phrase. I wanted to going back to santa how you hoped about how it would be really good to have things that are more relatable what examples. How how can we do that. What example could be just following someone in the day of their life. You know be someone that just looks like maybe does the same thing as them studies Goes out with friends. Something that just normalizes alpha guest because it is. Paul mentality is part of my life but it doesn't take over my whole life. There's other things that i enjoy. I enjoy going out my friends. I j guitar advertisement that centers around going through a hard time now. But there's so much else outside you know this much else happening in. You can get help for it. It's just kind of i. Guess normalizing to appoint an also just giving them. Ideally look a person who you know does exact same thing as you is from a similar background as you is. You know strong mental as well and they've gone out to get help on. They learn more about the mental health. Day just Living living their life at the same time in case something oh and suffers something that can be worked on all. I think that's a great idea. So it's just e yeah someone jonah of how they've overcome and the struggles that had to face and i'm this is me now and a bit like you know you you donna. You've spoken of that in this. Podcast which is you know fantastic. Give all acted is placed in a role model. Said if anyone would be prepared to solve maybe do some of journal about and you know wait to be supported by photographs or whatever. I think that that would be so powerful. Thank a case so joy into an end then. I just want to say how how much i appreciate all of the the things that you've shared with us and all of the discussions that we've had over these story. Podcasts are know they've been fantastically were saved. I'm by our colleagues across different sectors. I comes off and a young people that have listen to them. Helen wonder by can just come. Ta and just off a fest. Anything else that you wanted to hear from a young in are one thing. I always kind of ask as well as kind of like unending. I mean you will ring credible Pleasure on we've had lost in things. It's been not scrape pleasure to meet. You will and kind of listen to you. Journeys untidy consummate. The advice and suggestions which i think many powerful and quite moving within the podcasts especially Fine saying i'd kind of lights look at kind of your messages. Would kind of bay to probably people listening to this. Podcast play light. By that bill young pass professionals orlando services. Have you kind of got a personal message. Kind of encouragement sapphire. If i can come to you fast. Then yeah i'd say When it comes to into health it's not about your race for niche in We gender is is just about going out and getting help. And i know it's hard in people than others baugh. Some people do and they want to help you. It just shows that you are stronger past thank you so much safa at lisa. Can i come ta. Yeah i guess my takeaway message would be kind of authority kinda said and has been the articulated. Just the i suppose from like a professional capacity feel free to ask about religion culture background with the young person like everyone's different so obviously if the young person really doesn't embrace religion coacher is nothing to do with their life they identify with it. Leave it and you know ask. Is religion an important view in non also co. We went touching again. But you know yeah actually explore it be transparent about it and dying. Don't feel like you have to as a professional. I the ins and outs with the coach. When their religion learn about it with the young person almost like a collaborative collaborative learning thing. I think the young peasant appreciate that transparency to professionals. I think just be open and honest and ask questions and really. Yeah at doug hold back supplies in terms of when am exploring coach with. The president wants to bring their culture into the therapy because of like to be stigma affair an- and fiat people. That just say you know is something you worry about what we'll family think. What will people think Similar to ided. Oh yeah even when. I be with like my diagnosis. I say i need to go to therapy. Would it be acceptable. These kinds of light concerns. Just say maybe to have some fight that your family and that will be a and they will you know. We've come so far into thumbs about society as well that i think you have to have a say the people around you who support year because of ye. I just say dying. Hold back in again. Help struggle that would be my tank Thanks so much. elise rush. Nee i dana i can is anything of the said you say wild but i guess in general this podcast live land that we are also similar. A elaine on this. I before i did this. Podcast had no idea that you know how similar experiences we've had had been and say yeah but competent any better than an isa say k. Schaja any anything to add. Izzo was tough being asked the question that the because everyone's was commodore or lesson. I just like leave me. Something please are probably just say you know doesn't much massively will in you believe as long as you're getting the help that you need prioritizing getting while i think yeah that that's absolutely nothing. Absolutely thank you well. I think helen will be. I've certainly land so much and i. I'm sure you have as well. I think the one thing. I'm gonna take one of the things that i'm gonna take for this actually so k. To show that you know you don't have you don't know everything but it's okay to show a little bit of ignorance every now and then achieve about what can get To have an a mutual understanding. Yeah for me. i think it's about like transparency being really clear I kind of going back to the days in particular because this podcast is particularly around krisztian religion of christmas actually has bought time. The other festivities that perhaps i'm always aware of and i think that's really important this time. If you think about other coaches. Not why i've learned take away and cave with thank you so much to everyone. It really has been a pleasure. accu with older few by the story costs and Thank you for your time. Thank your Honest day Take care stay safe five You've been listening to come store the podcast brought to you by the luton and bedford comes team and luton bedford. Service user participation group. If you'd like to hear more from us just go to come talk dot com and subscribe. You can also subscribe on. I tunes spotify. Google podcasts or any of the other platforms that you're using once subscribed you'll get notification on your device everytime you release a new episode. If you want to comment or share your views you can contact us on twitter using at comes talk or you can send us an email using info at comes talk dot com one last thing before we go. 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11.26.19  Twerksgiving Special

MZNOW with Michael Zavala

44:53 min | 1 year ago

11.26.19 Twerksgiving Special

"The warning Europe down to enter the world of Michael's now Georgeanne to turn Bir. Hello Michael's Avella listening to 'em Z.. This is MCC now well. It's that time of year again. It's torch giving hey excited. We'll see haven't decided yet to what what the background talking about. I don't know what the fan on somebody I mean. The music playing in the background. You do this. What up? Why now there was no guy talking? He's a boop bill cosby. Bill Cosby the bankruptcy right. All right listen put pop. We're very excited It's our fourth annual tours giving We did have a tortuous last year. Because I broke my leg. Remember that no. I don't Wan last year. The cowboys you know there was I don't remember what her codename was. Destiny why they all bring yeah. It was hungry sister. It's Oh yeah I remember. That was her face her. What was her name though? They all have in three months and then I had to go buy buy right now. I doubt fake remember. She made that yes. She was down the street. 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Remember I am not a judge. I want everyone to win. The Nisa safes. non-judgmental is a impossibility. We don't have enough in the budget to have everyone be a winner. I wish everyone could win if I if I had the means means and the funds to You know make everyone winner. I would do it. Everyone would get a trophy by. They're going to be one of those you'd be one of those absolutely no no dissipation ward ward. Yeah I would do that with my own kids. What are you looking at the the old filter like old looking at from the same? I'm it looks the same. No it won't change my face. Less wrinkles Taylor makes areas. It is like their battle from prices right with his name. The old man embarking. Yeah you look like like Dan Veto. If Danny Devito and they dug up corpse Danny Devito let me make a baby face home. Are you just now discovering the filters on snapchat. Yeah hard to get on it man. Yeah so while we're on air but it's pretty cool in his free time. He can hardly get on snapchat. Yeah you're always on snapchat. No while when I had a snapchat I would see your stuff. Oh let's just businesswise. Oh Tattoos and bright cheeses. It's on their Nestle video game the push it but he doesn't know he doesn't. He doesn't mess around with a snapshot. Got Into my office excited to see the contestants since they were going to have. Yeah because I think every year we always have something or somebody new right Yeah like what was I. Share it with Cheryl Cheryl her name. That was hymies favorite randomly randomly. They came with the news. Show their lady body girl. Yeah sure it was great. We never heard from our ally. This you wanted to share it or something Will die where she says older older lady unless she wasn't a lot of Activity for the big body woman. She was older than you. Oh Helen within that Oh yes it is. We do have some new contestants this year. Very excited about it Males one one's a rapper. And and I'm very excited to talk because I love bag dislike wasn't F. L. O.. J. So yeah. I don't know I don't watch channel three on. SM aradio now. I don't even know what that is him what. XM radio XM. You WanNa tell them on serious listen to the all the all you mean Paxton rock the bells. Yeah yeah it's not anymore. I'm listening to longtime anyway. So we're very excited. We have some people in from From out of town you. It's a big deal so we got some Taco Bell on the back. I got it already. I gotTa grab a Burrito before during the break say Zero Tucker anymore. He's Dead Dad saying Fu twenty years ago I can ask air. Don't speak Spanish. Hey how about have you done that name yet. hymie words the two thousand nine version interview in the two thousand nine hundred nine year talents. The mugshot of the now got a mugshot food. You should do that. But the Mugshot do right and then do the for the new version of you. I don't have pictures from ten to one hundred fifty pounds heavier under skin. Based you get locked up again just so you can get back in shape. I was thinking thinking about that that we can work on your fitness whatever. We're going to thirty days thirty detox. Like crazy houses for thirty. The days of the business running running down the tattoo students are still there whatever. Hey Ma new apprentice once she learns to going to be making them reform issues post coming today but C. loader working right now put a hold on a mix and get home titan kind what we gotTa Take A. We'll take a break where I bag with Torres giving two thousand nineteen they chicken and right they do not change for me on a phone. I'm on the phone phone A. V. Five Day a India. I love the five day. I'll tell me on the phone communist commune with a mobile phone Mail there glue. I got the wrong number Mike. There Mike John John. My John's jail might exile Michael John Looking for the grass is my John Paul by birth. My job my job. My Job Gone on my Jon. GRUDEN on craigslist He's MC now and all right it's time for the two thousand nineteen torch giving special is writing on the ball there. There is two hundred and fifty dollars on the line less than M Z. Now grab bag which is four t shirt. Now there's no t he's shirt I think we have some no bake cookies and the pain you put this together. No No. We have production system. Of course put this together. I have no knowledge eligible again. I want to stress everyone. I am not a judge. Okay I am not a judge pryor. I wish everyone wins and a great the time but ultimately you are working for the three judges in front of you. Let's meet our judges from Oak Cliff Texas. We have a Kaya Amy. The Tattoo Guy was going on from I don't know worries redneck Texan Spider the DJ Dallas Taxes Probably read Nick. Debt is everywhere in Texas and then and From Oakland Tech Again Eric Upscale area Saint Mary's visit. That's what he's wrong right. Hey Hey I was there before. Bishop bars even colonised areas. That's what they call them. Collins Colonizers walking around that neighborhood on my other like then then the wrong areas like half a block from murder scenes. Oh yeah just like yeah down the street halfway houses all this stuff. I'm like just walking their dog around all right. Well it has to do with what we're doing today. I don't know shaking their. Let's get on with torch giving two thousand nineteen round around again. We've met our judges we know what's on the line. Two hundred fifty American dollars which we all know is really does like five bucks really in America but anyway Let's bring in contestant number one I can't see if they're coming off the house. Mrs Two Thousand Thousand Nine hundred ninety. So can you put those headphones on and then if you want to sit on the couch we'll talk to you for a little bit and then we'll get going from there. Come on in her husband wanted. Thank you get if you want to go like that is going to be a joint thing. How are you doing doing? I'm doing great long time. No See yes. It's been two years. It's been two years. Is You have had some enhancements done. Yes yes I don't I don't hide I don't know very open about it on social media You know that I thought that would happen naturally working out these don't grow includes grow. These won't hire Musgrove competing. I'M GONNA break. I'm taking a break. I wanted to focus more on my family and my home. 'cause we became homeowners this year. Congratulate you and we've been really busy with that and just fixing our house and and and my daughter plays soccer. We've been really busy with her before my son starts. I've been really just focused on on the family and doing hair so I do birthday parties now too you as well you know how the face painter set up as the hair Braider an alien race. That's so cool looking pretty rough yeah academia was come through. I di- anything. Are you still working out. Oh yes every day. Now how you noticed that any one of these guys here have lost any weight. Yes who'd never been him. But I'm Eric and Hymie yes. We're both have lost wait. Who was the last time I mean? It wasn't no makeup artist. Because you've been here. Sorry right here but Bobby Bobby. He was also a judge at one point so lola basically a fighter is oh. That's right it was bobby rejected this year. Yeah so anyway. We're very excited to have you back. You are the official really reigning Queen of course because you were the last year we did tortuous which is different than towards giving so we had a new champion for Torque Moss And we only had to do that because I broke my leg and I wasn't able to make it up four towards giving but you are still really you hold the crown and you have to contenders about you. Met Those Girls back there. We took a shot ladies eighty years competition. It really. Is Everyone together at the end here. By the the way your husband every time your husband comes in whatever girls are in here or even eric or some other gay always come up all my gosh. He's such a good looking guy. My Gosh I wish wish I tried to sign him so my good high ooh hill. So it's okay I mean I don't mind but no I get a lot of He gets a lot of compliments on that. He's like like even Mike his by the his buddies even and like his legs and his upper body. And I'm like yeah well I train extent you. Yeah so much when he wants to put in the word raw aw doing camps and all that I were doing I did it for two months at keys park and she invited Jones. I posted it. She invited you to no one ever showed up looking like that. Yeah by now. That's your future Eric. And hiding and maybe spider all right. Let's get started party with towards giving your first contestant on towards gave me like I said you have a crown to protect. Let's get the music started and let's see what you got. Let me know they had fun or how you get well. If you want to go museum the headphones will be on. We'll turn your mic off so you don't have to talk but it's up to you She learned some new stuff two years. Glue Eric Yeah I know I want it. I can't move my whole body like that. He's Aguirre you guys go. I don't I don't WanNa wear out Stanford Stamina all right judges Give critiques on. What happened here what happened? I mean it was our sick very old school stuff. She did that first. Time right other. The grind is taking right. I did some grinding team. Steven touched the wall with right but that also is what. Got Her in trouble all right because you were your first year. Did you win the second you judging her on the torquing itself yeah because and She was doing a lot of extra stuff. And you guys that's distracting. I want to see the Torque. And that's what we're judging on right. Yeah so today. She came in and she just works. I wonder if she's GonNa remember the poll on Pole House. You're GonNa do it not just what you did you like it. Yeah fantastic. All right eight sums up. The variety. Think secure in their the Eric. Would you like to look like like her if I was in transition. Yes Oh no I mean just like but I'm just talking about from the waist tone but everything yes I need. I need all that I have a but I need to work it out. I'm going to send other juicy three to six weeks. You need okay. You need to make a gift card so I can buy them for all all the girls I dated. Can they need to look like you. Let me let me but those those. Hey Baby my whole bunch you WanNa go. The suit was Jim I need you. I'll see you three to six weeks all right. I like all the handsome. It's also all right. Well we're going to go ahead and bring it on next. Do our next test if you WANNA head back into the studio there and then we'll bring in our next intestine and the free to me. Were whiskey no. You had too much. I don't know what your thoughts much already. You already had like a shot early Saturday ten as a shot on one or two which how many just want to don't want to do with the system was over with okay all right. I'm not GONNA well. Let's let's consumer to talk first. And then they go go go back to life store. Yeah we want to hear about you. You're yeah so I'm a cannabis influence her. Yeah he's talking to half the table here towards let's just started rapping. Oh got you into the wrapping. Why did you decide to wrap all of a sudden? Oh I been writer for a long time and it just something fun Get the VIBE. Right was under the influence when you came across wrapping under the. She's not if you weren't I would. It'd be very disappointed. Mostly most of them are. I've seen in part that side and then come in record low slung. What do you think it's important to be a little it Looser whenever you write and record a rap song. Yeah I think it gives you those creative energy and you're able to really express yourself now. How long have you been an influencer lawrence or in the cannabis community a year? Okay and what got you into that My Bit of marketing consultant and I started working in that industry and travelling to all the different places. And it's been really exciting now. I'm GONNA play a clip of your song. Not The entire thing. This is just an edited down version. This is not the official release by the way. If you WanNa hear the full version. Do you have a website or instagram or anything. Where this the song is soundcloud? Perhaps it'll be okay so we'll we'll play. This song is called Trampoline Appleans. Okay here we go take Komo news now as you can tell this is very family oriented. I didn't know what kind of influence you to write the song was your family children trampoline Eka making a song like that. It's Kinda like Oh perfect. That is crazy. I mean look that word up and aw sure right right well what does it mean. Definition of what is going to celebrate celebrate celebrate. When you'RE NOT GONNA get no nothing nothing now spell it a s Bat Bat ear way to answer them how to spell what it named you go by Betty Chronics chronics? I like that. Yeah Oh yea. They called me back in high school. The chronic baby. She's the Brownie maker now. I know Betty Crocker from Houston. What the Instagram by crabby? All right. Let's see The you're GonNa are you guys. Are you gonNA individually or with your your with a friend of here. We go again squad this before we were Wa wa. We've never had a group to work before four by the way we have not. So let's do this. I'm going to mute your mic. If you WANNA pass that headset mic over to your friend. Let's get to know your friend and then we will start all right so now. Where are you from Milwaukee Wisconsin Milwaukee Wisconsin and you've been in Dallas for how long Phil Years now two years and I mean you saw the the competition right right but I'm pretty sure it was vicious vicious it you could you could you could tell that she She came to win win. You guys have seen just have ever been in Dallas for two years autism. Mom I worked. I seen prejudice be relieved to ten tornadoes. Just shaking lived lived through it and thank God to this day that I'm still living. I was pinpointed. Middle of East take me operate in God protect. Meet my family. Which Tornado family to Plano? If you look over that in Richardson off George Bush got I take their reason for him for all of that name of cheese. Yeah that's crazy. Let's pray for my little studio because to hey nobody he died. One person that man -struction beauty as beauty now. How long have you been taller? Just I'm not as she's a beautiful person and she asked me dance for and we just haven't called for two years. I couldn't find a good weed and I'm the row L. Man for her as such. So you will you and the Pearlers uh-huh Snoop Dogg. How we roll name and I'm blessed? I'm Josh the shooter. Look me up on the ground. Let's tutor all right. So let's see what you guys got. One of. You guys can have the headphones. I mean I think he'll come up. hipbones Betty chronics Knows her own beat and we'll have it up loud enough to where you ask them here But we're going to go and it's it's the judge will watch and then they'll critique guys afterwards and then we're going to take a break we're gonNA play the beat of trampoline and and This is what you guys. Are we working with today. The smells all right. That's all they never had. This is historic right here. Never had a dual working like the duly banjos Promo video the era Dalo if they win. That's the first time a white person as one that's worse giving detachment other tags. Even what do you call the. WWe were one person tags. The other the person a tag up In the movie yeah tag moves all right. I'm glad we got cameras tall right. Thank you girls. That was fantastic songs. Trapping let's Again I just want to thank you guys for coming out of this has been great. I two thousand eighteen. Let's see what the judge has had to say about your performances. Here hymie Hi Michio Tattoo Guy. Why off you can't do it again? All right all right you not in my mind my mind. Thank the win. What did you what did you think? Critique here says Blah Blah Blah. What you give a number I am? I will give him a number. It's GonNa be like a seven. Got Out the got thing. She says Sheree Wayne Ready to go. Cash death right. I Ah Spider Spider. I'll give it six. I like I like the teamwork team. You have the same outfit going and you know how excellent it was town Eric I'm speechless speech. That's great it's very rarely. Talk out there all right. So here's what we're GONNA do. The judges are going to take a quick break. They're going to figure out who the winner is. And we're GONNA bring all three of you guys back in here and just a few minutes. And we're going to crown the winner of misgiving two thousand nineteen. You'll know it's time to turn the dial when you hear this sound now. Somebody told me yesterday. That wasn't a baby Rochelle or something like that is like grown in the movie. Now show and baby wash out. Yeah my son's baby maybe they had Russia you know raise baby tabby. There wasn't name. Oh baby amy name Tabitha Tabitha or bathroom or whatever. Aw You've seen them on the big screen now. They're back to take over your TV Charlie Brown around and the Ganger back with a brand new holiday TV special. It's a Charlie Brown toured skinny. Join the peanuts as they discovered the true meaning towards giving do miss it. Really the uh-huh this is mild. And you're looking Michael Landon Circle. Please stop calling my phone. I'm not even joking. This is not cool at all anymore. And I'M GONNA hurt it's enough. I'm done all right. Let's bring bring in all three contestants. If you can hear me you could come into the studio. The judges have liberated. It was was a long process but they figured out. Who is the winner who they're gonNA crown mistrust giving two thousand nineteen sounds like there's I don't blame him in that room? There is a delay work. Wake no way were get. Yeah no Dang that's better words name that group that group Come on now now. Now it is a B. is a B. Group there was an not blossom and the other Guy Black Street Ligo. Good all right. Everyone's coming in now but I like the way they took the now he got a bag. I liked the way they only album. All right and so this is the part of the phones their pick them up only got mike. But y'all can at least here you know. This was a difficult decision for the judges. They went back and forth on. It's always a tough decision. Because she was out now outnumbered about a pack right there compared to one or eh right. which is it's difficult to set a new ask explained to my now but it doesn't affect the tortoise and the torquing and that's what we're judging today so you had to ask implants it might affected affected the twitter? Oh yeah all right. The judges have Thought long and hard and everyone towards hard and loud good job did from loud. It was loud very loud. I like the head of a bomb. I heard some claps the here and there yeah that was me clap. Talking maybe habit teamwork Again like no get word hair to work work now. We don't need all that you've got a friend who had come in. which per husband not him Eric? Above that would be a tough decision to make to get to Shakin all right anyway On Your helicopter guys. Yeah so here. We go We had the group first off. We've never had to work towards workers at the same time. I was cool and it was amazing. It was great. We've never had that before. It's very historical moment. and then I think the judges were were taken aback by. They've never seen that. Hymie said it was hard to concentrate. Because there's too. Yeah he will go into the same time you had to look back on it so much and it. It was great. It was those a lot of shaking can of course is they hurt my favorite FAB blow which is also the cleaning product we use here at the studios and not. That's always is for women right all right. Thank you for the Spanish. Listen so she's always she always comes in she's she's always ready to to to work and Torque loud and toward hard and It was a very difficult decision this year but only one can be crowned Miss Towards giving two thousand nineteen are really to really if we the people itself team setting here but anyway judges who has one towards giving two thousand thousand nineteen announcing let it out to you guys. Because you're I'm behind bulletproof glass and they can't beat me up back what I said why you should be doing good and a man to against one. That's not fair but did a good job into me and you real good wanted to us. Oh man hold your eyes with based it's based off of that again working. It's Dan this all about towards the right are you okay. Oh He's hi. I thought you're killing me. Alright Hymie Eric. Why don't you? Who is the winner of forks giving two thousand nineteen the one or so fabulous la one? Oh a Hey Oh honest I I I I. Everyone did and it was a difficult. Decision We WanNA thank you all for coming out for Towards giving or two thousand nineteen. Can we actually pebbles. If you want to grab this Mike here and I wanNA grab before they leave. No I wanna I wanNA hear Betty Carney. The poor you're Put back on. Put that headset back on. And let's get your Social Media I mean betty. We want to have you back. Call you betty pull out okay you you bet he would want to have you back and talk more about your music. You know we'll let you guest host one time with us. You can sit with these guys good work and people find out more about you and your your music music activists. That's the word I was looking for. Betty chronics on Instagram chronics. All one word with an axe. And when does your music music drama right surprise for you. Yes you know what. Come back before the album drops and we'll play some good. Yeah Awesome. Thank you is your. Is your friend still here she. She's ready go. Thank you own talking to Wehrley. She was twitter way album bill. Reagan Reagan down all right and and I want you guys. I want her to come back to. Maybe you guys can host together I I know thank you guys are coming. I know she's GonNa catch a plane and we we've kept you long enough. I Apologize For the wait but thank you guys so much for coming out. Thank thank thank you. The keyboard can keep talking which all right. Let's talk to the winner here. This is the third time you've wanted this. You wanted three retirement isn't it. The second time came the first time we caleb yes. We don't her crown that year. No Yeah Yeah that's when stone and you're like Panthou. It broke them broke man now. She's in and soda or something that was you know why you lost that year though because you were doing too much technique and stuff and these guys are like you know this is they literally. That was probably the most difficult decision that they've ever had because we had to delay the break because it was so much stuff going on 'cause they were like we really likes her. Eric was your biggest fan like we really like her. But it had the total package you had the total package. Hymie brought up a good point. He said but she didn't really do a lot of working. So we brought that up and the next year she came back she oh you guys wanted to form okay. I'll show you interface. That's that's good. Yeah I I think this year. She topped last. Years has been two years for that competition yes to December and I went third place that show so thank yeah sponsored. I'm so Galeano. We're for whatever reason we're all big fans and this had nothing to do with You winning obviously asleep. But we're all big fans of what you do and your husband like you guys are kind of part of the family now and so we're excited to have you guys here and it's always we need to get together more than unjust on torch giving you gotta come back more of your husband. We gotta talk about how you mean. Eric wants to know if he's got a brother the Kirby Kirby also wanting to know if he's got but and I will send chicks date over to you for training for three to six weeks. Don't bring them back until they're fiercely. We'll do a gift card for you if you want to do awesome awesome. How do you like our new studio? Beautiful it's spacious problem with the other one. It was nice to but it was very nice assists. It's a bigger more space right. We got we have cameras in here a little TV screens and stuff. It's a lot nicer. That are last place but real nice. I'm I'm excited. I'm excited that you one thing that I won't because now I can go by Thanksgiving because I'm GonNa Cook for Thanksgiving is an online online. It's a fun moment but my grandma is curling hospice care. Does she. Has All the Shoe eighty-five cancer. We're GONNA spend it there. It's a little apartment. Were GonNa go there so I just wanted to everybody so thank y'all is going to career cook. I know I'm healthy. But here's here's the deal. Do some big stuff. The British prime rib two years ago. When he's right there you get prime rib two years ago? You remember we. We had you on. Because 'cause these guys these A morbidly obese men wanted to lose some weight and so we We've had you come on to help them out right and so we had a challenge. We had a challenge. What was it six weeks eric originally so it was six weeks originally and other hand like six months because by six weeks they all gained weight and then everybody was trying to get a hold of you know nobody was trying to get ahold ahead? She told you where she was. And you guys but anyway so then we extended because nobody lost weight gain weight so we extended it like six more months or something. Yeah Hymie one actually lost like ten even though Oh. I didn't do that for them. Look at them. It's like they got motivated right off. I don't know what happened. I ran into Eric like Twat. At the bar we would curls and and he's been he's been on like a Veggie Diet and things like that were why did what so to lose ten pounds at the back but two years ago after they lost the weight up. So we're not doing this again. I don't care you don't care about your health. I don't care about your health but now we're running out of material here. We go again so to starting next year the holidays. We're going to do another challenge. And maybe you can come in as one of the trainers out right here downstairs. Ah that is why Jimmy either one of them are ever here on this. Absolutely right now we do know and we'll film it downstairs. Yeah I'm down you plug your neither one sound working. Yeah whatever I'll be. The one is third time. I saw US building. And you've gained weight since you've been here spider but he's in the competition this year by the way I have 'cause he's got he's got a leg up because he does have this gym downstairs as PD's up we can do twelve week challenge. I got Cha we're GONNA gain weight and twelve weeks now eight man. It's about twelve this week starting January anyway so I'm ready. Can you make me look very sickly anorexic. You can do that you already. Some curve breath better. I don't want curves. I just WanNa look very thin and people would be like. Oh my God watch out for the wrong with you. Watch out for the League. The arm as I aww walking Phoenix and the joker ribs poking through stuff. I want that that was all right. All right right let let's post. Let's talk about your social media real quick and then we'll Roll out yes. My snapchat is fabulous. La More than twenty one F. A. B. I. O. L. A. M. O.. You are in twenty one and my instagram is fabulous m twenty one and my facebook is fabulous Modano and hit her up for anything eh anything right and yes cooking but a woman all right. Thank you again. Everyone everyone knew for a wonderful Torres giving two thousand Nineteen Muddier give back back here. Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Happy Thanksgiving this is m Z. We now online at M._C.. Now Dot TV like us on facebook at facebook dot com forward slash MC now.

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Helen Brach

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Helen Brach

"A warning this episode features discussions of murder and Gore. Let me be disturbing for some listeners. We advise extreme caution for listeners. Under thirteen unfair brewery seventeenth nineteen seventy seven. Helen Brach checked out of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota. Her physician recommended she lose a bit of weight and get more exercise besides sides that she was given a clean bill of health before leaving. Helen visited the gift shop where she bought a soap dish and an elegant jewelry box as the widow of Frank Brock air to the Bronx Candy Fortune. The purchase hardly put a dent in her bank account as the clerk. Raptor gift left. Helen told her. Can you please hurry. My House. Man is waiting. Those were her last words after Helen. Brach exited the gift shop. She was never seen or heard from again. Welcome to gone on a podcast original. I'm molly and I'm Richard. Every other Monday we examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned and from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to the trust can language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. You can find every episode of gone and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever wherever you listen to podcasts to stream gone for free on spotify. Just open the APP tap browse and type gone in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast. I and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening listening. It really does help in this episode. We will explore the disappearance of Helen. Brach the socialite widow of candy magnate Frank Brock. She checked out of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota on February nineteenth nineteen seventy seven and was never seen again. There are conflicting theories about the disappearance even among the detectives assigned to Helen. Brock's case the first theory concerns Richard Bailey. Helen's Ellen's lover and the only man ever convicted in her disappearance. This theory suggests that Richard Bailey conspired with his shady associates in the Chicago Chicago Horse Mafia to have Helen murdered. Although he didn't pull the trigger himself it was first proposed by prosecutors attempting to secure a conviction for Bailey. The second theory is the Jack Matt. Lick Helen's Houseman. Murdered Helen himself after learning that she planned to move Out of state and terminated his employment the third theory and our personal favorite combines the most convincing elements of there is one run into these three theories all agree on one thing. Helen Brach was murdered. she was declared missing by the Chicago Police Department in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven and legally dead in nineteen eighty eighty four. But Helen's body was never found and without a body. It's very difficult to solve a crime. There is plenty of information available about the case including sworn affidavits from many of the suspects but each time a person of interest has gone on on record regarding Helen's disappearance it was to cut a deal with prosecutors so they may have made everything up or simply. Were saying what they thought. Prosecutors persecutors wanted to hear the testimony they've delivered is compelling and incriminating but it's nearly impossible to take it at face value you before we get into the confusions swirling around the disappearance though let's examine the woman at the heart of all the rumors in Nineteen Fifty Helen Vorhees was going on thirty nine although she was still beautiful on anti visas with striking head of red hair it seemed like her best years were behind her born to a working class family in rural. Oh Hi oh. Helen was married and divorced by age. Twenty one and dreamed of a life beyond her modest surroundings and to some extent and she found one in Miami Beach Florida where she was a regular at the Indian Creek Country Club. But Helen wasn't the wife of a wealthy businessman mingling with other socialites over canapes and cocktails Helen worked as a coach check girl until one day she caught the eye of frank. Frank Brock the CO owner of EJ Brock and sons. His company was famous for Candy. Corn the BIC witness red and white striped mints that Nobody Nobody Likes and conversation hearts the heart shaped candies embossed with loving freezes. This candy empire had made Frank Brock enormously wealthy. He was also going through a divorce. And despite a twenty two year age difference. A May December romance blossomed in one thousand nine hundred fifty one. Frank took Helen as his third wife. By all accounts their marriage was a happy one and and Helen finally got to experience the life of privilege. She'd always wanted their main. Residence was a sprawling estate in Glenview Illinois. Just doubt side Chicago but they maintained a vacation home in Fort Lauderdale Florida and since they had no children the couple spent their time and considerable a fortune travelling and socialising when Frank Brock died in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy. Helen was only fifty eight and she was the primary beneficiary of her husband's estate. She received roughly twenty million dollars around one hundred. Thirty million in today's dollars dollars which at the time made her one of Chicago's richest and most prominent citizens as an affluent and relatively famous widow. Helen continued to take full advantage of her life of privilege. She spent most of her time shopping decorating her homes and most of all socializing realizing with her friends. She reportedly loved gossip and was known to spend hours talking on the phone. She also took great care of her physical well health. She got most of her exercise in the form of dancing and she didn't seem to drink or use drugs of any kind the rest of her free time she she spent with horses. Helen had always been passionate about animals. Animals she even founded an organization to rehabilitate injured animals and educate the public about animal rights. But before frank died he introduced his wife to the sport of horse racing and her attention was increasingly focused on the equestrian world. Helen loved watching the majestic nick. Animals run and trade. She also adopted and rehabilitated. Several retired racehorses frank in life and death breath was able to give Helen everything she always wanted but he also gave her a passion for a sport that would ultimately connect her with the Chicago Horse Mafia and lead to her death and disappearance. But Frank wasn't the only man and with a big influence on Helen's life after her husband's death. She became increasingly reliant on one particular employee. Jack Matic Metalic Jack. Matlock had originally been employed by Frank. Brock as a Handyman Gardner and driver when Frank Died Helen. Kemp Jack has her house man a role in which he essentially acted as her personal assistant. Matt Lick had a close relationship with Helen but it reportedly wasn't romantic. Some people think he was in love with her but Jack was married with three daughters in fact his entire the family lived rent. Free in suburban house owned by Brock. Although Matt Lick worked in the capacity of an assistant he was known to advise as Helen on financial matters and sometimes they even stayed up reading together with Jack Wearing an old pair of Helen's glasses besides being well known around Chicago as Helen's Houseman. Jack was also known for being cold unfriendly loaner. This may have stemmed from his unhappy childhood. Little is known about his early life but we know his father abandoned the family we also know. He spent almost two years in prison for car. Theft and ends we'll learn Jack matlock maintained connections with the violent Chicago Horse Mafia while it might seem odd that Helen would trust someone like math. Lick one thing we know about Helen is that she was not an excellent judge of character. This became resoundingly evident evident when she started dating Richard Bailey a full fledged member of the notorious Chicago. Horace Mafia if you were wealthy and had had any involvement in the Horse Business in Chicago. You're bound to meet someone from the Chicago. Horace Mafia a loose knit group of gangsters criminals and lowlifes chiefs who either own stables were sold horses in and around Chicago. They were notorious for conducting insurance scams and selling nearly worthless horses to wealthy inexperienced buyers at an exorbitant markup by nineteen seventy-three Frank. Brock had been dead for three three years in despite her vast wealth and active social life. Helen going on sixty two years old longed for an intimate relationship ship. Richard Bailey synced it the moment he laid eyes on her at a dinner party and made his move. At this point Richard Bailey was thriving. He kept an apartment in an exclusive Chicago building called the Lake Point Tower and a horse farm and stables near Helen's estate though he was seventeen years her junior richard bailing was handsome and exceedingly charming. He doted on Helen and made her feel feel special. Interestingly Jack Matlock was the only one in Helens orbit who didn't Trust Bailey but Helen had no reason. Do you think that this handsome young man's intentions were anything less than honorable. The couple traveled dined in fine restaurants. And we're even known to enter and win dance contests on the surface. Their relationship appeared normal even loving but while Bailey may have been a good dancer where he really excelled was in seducing and swindling older women. Richard Bailey was a Gigolo. He was so adept at swindling older women that he created businesses designed for just that purpose a driving leaving school at cosmetics company. Even a clinic designed to help people quit smoking. These businesses helped him meet and seduce this wealthy older women they brought in decent money it was baileys horse stable. However that proved most lucrative he gave riding lessons and boarded horses for clients but it was his practice of buying injured? Lame or less than perfect horses and reselling them to wealthy clients clients at an astronomical markup that made him rich Bailey already had plenty of hustles. He didn't necessarily need to use his relationship. Asian ship with Helen for money but once a con man always a con man in one thousand nine hundred seventy five after dating Helen for two years. Here's he and his brother Sold Helen three race horses for the summer of Ninety eight thousand dollars despite having paid less than eighteen eighteen thousand dollars themselves. The horses were certainly not worth what Helen paid but she didn't seem to notice or care. It appeared that Bailey had found a new victim. Unfortunately he decided to push his luck in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven Bailey convinced Helen to purchase a stable of horses from silence Jane. The most powerful member member of the Horse Mafia and a frequent business associate of Bailey's this time for a considerably larger. Some Helen agreed but something about the deal gave her second thoughts. Helen hired an independent trainer to appraise the deal. Bill after one look at her new horses he told Helen she'd been scammed. Helen was furious serious. She almost certainly confronted Bailey about the swindle but we know she didn't alert the authorities instead. Helen visited the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. Minnesota for routine checkup. Maybe she was planning to alert the authorities when she returned to Chicago and and maybe not either way she never get the chance on February seventeenth. Nineteen and seventy seven. The morning she checked out of the Mayoclinic Helen Brach disappeared and was never seen or heard from I. 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Helen's disappearance and the only excuse he mustered was he figured she had simply gotten tired of him and moved on not convincing argument for someone who by all accounts was still Helen's lever at the time of her disappearance. Bailey had apparently made her appointment at the Mayo Clinic. The couple were even planning planning to move to Florida together but the police could not find evidence to Tie Bailey or any suspects to the crime and and so the case slowly wind cold until more than a decade later in nineteen eighty nine when Richard Bailey tried his his horse con on the wrong woman. The woman who brought Bailey down was Barbara Morris like Helen. She was a wealthy widow. And Richard Bailey showered her with gifts and attention and just as with Helen. He tried to swindle her in a horse deal. In fact this swindle unfolded almost identically. To Helen's Bailey asked Morris to borrow fifty thousand dollars to purchase Chisso horse which she gladly gave him. He promised to pay back the loan. Once he sold the horse at a higher value. But then Bailey got greedy eighty. He tried to convince Morris to purchase a horse for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars which she had no intention of doing until L. Bailey painter back the original fifty thousand as Bailey got pushy Morris became increasingly suspicious. She she contacted a friend who suggested she draw up a contract with baileigh which she presented to him a few nights later over dinner. Bailey erupted. He became furious that she would involve other people in their private affairs and refused to sign. At this point Morris began looking into Bailey's Hanley's passed and she didn't like which she found especially when it came to his relationship with Helen. Brach so Morris. Boris contacted the Police Department from there. It was only a matter of time with the help of the FBI. The police Tap Bailey's phone which provided evidence of his fraudulent Horse Games by nineteen ninety four. They finally had all the needed. They arrested Richard Shoot Bailey. Ross Huby a veterinarian involved with Horse Mafia was also arrested and he threatened to divulge everything everything he knew and Nafta decimate the Horse Mafia and put everyone behind bars during the trial. Prosecutors had no trouble connecting Richard Bailey to several fraudulent horse sales. In fact thirteen other women came forward providing evidence that they had all been swindled but investigators were determined to do more than Brain Down Bailey and his horse mafia associates. Let's they wanted to finally after seventeen years convict someone anyone in connection with Helen Bronx disappearance appearance with the help of testimony from several men connected with the Horse Mafia seeking sentencing leniency. Prosecutors propose that Richard Richard Bailey had conspired with the Horse Mafia to have Helen killed our first theory. Is this very story. Which prosecutors laid out in in court to convict Richard Bailey according to the prosecutors Bailey and his associates kids were afraid that after Helen realized she'd been duped by her lover she might go to authorities after? Helen Confronted Bailey about the hore scheme. He relayed the argument to Silas Jayne the head of the Horse Mafia and his partner. In this con- It was Jane who told Bailey He. He wanted Helen. God but Richard. Bailey wasn't a killer so in a half hearted attempt to solve the Jalan problem. He offered to of silences associates. Joe Plemmons and Ken Hansen. Five thousand dollars each back to kill her. The two men turned Bailey down. The some was absurdly low for such a high profile Job Bailey content figured he could simply tell Silas feed tried and smooth everything over with Helen. But silence didn't go for it instead. He ordered his nephew. Frank Jane Junior to make Helen Disappear at this point. Richard Bailey also also decided to disappear to Florida. This is where the narrative gets a bit. Fuzzy it's not clear whether or not Bailey remained involved with subsequent events up in Chicago prosecutors implied that he did Bailey insisted that he had cut his losses and had nothing to do with what happened next though he heard the details through the Horse Mafia grapevine regardless the narrative. You've is far from over Back in Chicago Frank. Gene Juniors snuck into Helen's Glenview estate with four Horse Mafia associates including Lee Writer. Jane Gang Thug and former COP and Ken Hanson and Joe Plummets Whom Bailey had originally tried to hire to carry out the hit. The small crew beat Helen to the brink of death. Then they burgled her home taking valuable artwork jewelry and millions of dollars in untraceable bearer bonds. Next they stuffed Helen's body in the trunk of Frank Jane's Cadillac and drove route Akin Hanson stable. Once they arrived they opened the trunk. Discover that Helen was still moving. Curt Hansen cans brother handed Joe Plymouth a gun and told him to finish finish her off. They transferred her body to the trunk of Curt Hansen Station Wagon. Then Plemmons Jane. Junior and the Hanson brothers drove across the state line to Gary Indiana straight to a steel factory where the SPALATO brothers their business associates had connections. Then they put Helen's body on a cart and pushed it into the blast furnace where it was turned into liquid steel. And that is why Helen's body was never found. I know what you're thinking and yes. This scenario is completely insane horrifying and involves so many people and moving parts that it seems preposterous. It could have gone unsolved by investigators for for more than a decade. But it's not so preposterous when you consider the people involved the Jane family or Jane Gang as they preferred to be known wielded the most power and influence within the Chicago. Horace Mafia and the head of the James Gang was Silas Jayne silence or cy was born in nineteen o seven in Lake County Illinois a suburban area known for its Horse Chris Forms and stables in nineteen twenty four at age. Seventeen side was convicted of rape after serving a one year sentence. He joins his brothers on the ranch and began his life in the horse business. The James Brothers built their fortune by bringing in boxcars full of wild horses illegally acquired from the West Coast to Chicago selling most to slaughterhouses to be ground into dog food. But let keeping the finest ones to train for writing or selling to wealthy buyers. The value of a horse is a lot like the value of art. It's determined by how how much someone will pay. Which is why the industry attracts so many criminals and conman? If you can manipulate someone into trusting you a Horse's value value is exactly what you say. It is and the Jane Gang where master manipulators. Although their horse business was thriving silas and his brother George were known to have an extremely contentious relationship by nineteen sixty. Three things had gotten so bad that they could no longer tolerate each other and the two opened up rival stables across town. Unfortunately it didn't solve their problems uh-huh and finally in Nineteen Seventy George. Jane was killed at home while playing cards with his family. The men arrested for killing ailing. George testified that cy had hired them one even suggested that cy wanted George kidnapped so he could finish off the job himself either either way. Cy was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to prison. It was from his prison cell that he allegedly ordered his nephew. Frank Jane Junior to make Helen Brach disappear according to investigators this bilateral brothers whose associates associates ran the steel factory where Helen's body was supposedly melted where members of the Horse Mafia and associates of the gene gang. They were even more violent than the James they were experts at killing people and making them disappear. Their preferred method was turning bodies into liquid would steal the Hanson brothers and Joe Plemmons also part of the crew that reportedly killed old Helen. Brach were part of the Chicago. Horace Mafia to they were not as wealthy or a notorious but they were just as violent. Ken Enhancing would later be convicted of the nineteen fifty five rape and murder of three boys Lee writer was a cop gone rogue who now worked as a henchman and bodyguard for the Jane Gang compared to these people. Richard Bailey is practically a gentleman but prosecutors were determined into pin the entire crime on him perhaps because he was the man they had on trial they claimed he orchestrated the horror show. Well well they never argued that he pulled the trigger on Helen. They accused him of conspiracy to commit murder the fact that their argument was based on testimony provided by horse. MAFIOSOS seeking light sentences for their own crimes was a mark against the theory as as we discussed before but it was a strong enough case. That Bailey's lawyer convinced his client to plead guilty to fraud charges. Doing so would mean his case bypassed jury trial and by extension the possibility of life in prison by avoiding jury trial however ever Bailey also gave prosecutors a lower threshold for conviction in a jury trial prosecutors would have had to prove. Bailey's these guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a sentencing hearing prosecutors. Only had to demonstrate that Bailey had conspired to kill brock by a preponderance of evidence preponderance of evidence meaning. It was more likely than not that he was guilty. And that's exactly what they prove. The judge sentenced Richard Bailey to thirty years behind bars. I but there are a few issues with blaming the entire crime on Bailey for one thing. Prosecutors persecutors argued that Bailey hired. Helen's Hitman when it was supposedly Silas Jayne who successfully recruited them also so orchestrating. A murder seems like the work of a violent person but unlike the other people involved in the sordid affair. That doesn't fit Bailey's character. He had no history of violence and Helen was worth a whole lot more to him alive then dead plus. There's no no indication that he was the recipient of the spoils stolen from Helen's home specifically the millions of dollars in bearer bonds. Was it possible all that prosecutors in their hunger to convict someone for Killing Ellen. Brock Pressured Horse mafiosos into spinning the story they wanted hit to hear Silas Jayne was already in jail for his other crimes after all so they couldn't hope to pin it on him that idea is supported accorded by the fact that there's another major hole in this story prosecutors presented namely for the plan to succeed. Jack Matt Looks Participation Haitian would have been essential. Jack Madly knew everything about Helen from her schedule to where she kept her valuables and in this scenario real. He doesn't show up at all neither as a help or a hindrance to the murders. Our next theory addresses. Does that problem coming up. We'll examine very different theory about Helen. Brock's disappearance one that focuses on Jack metalic now back to the story on February seventeenth. Nineteen seventy seven. Helen Brach checked out of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota and it was never seen or heard from again and while Richard Bailey. Helen's lover at the time was eventually convicted in her disappearance appearance. There were some issues with the evidence. Used to convict him. which brings us to our second theory about Helen's disappearance Jack Matlock her house? Man Killer the evidence for the theory emerged slowly in the years following Bailey's conviction and it was never officially brought to trial by investigators. Nevertheless it's the most credible theory. According to most experts who have reviewed the case and even according to several members of the Chicago Horse Mafia among the supporters of this theory are Ross Huegill the veterinarian who testified at Belli's trial and was subsequently imprisoned for his own illegal activities several detectives who interviewed Matt Lick and and James Wasilla junior and investigative reporter who wrote a detailed book about Helen's disappearance based on hours of interviews. The theory theory goes as follows on February seventeenth. Nineteen seventy seven the weekend. How in return from the Mayo Clinic to Chicago? Helen told mathematics she was moving to Florida with Bailey and would no longer be requiring his services. Furious Matt Lick Snapped Killed Helen and buried her body somewhere outside a small farm. An animal sanctuary that Helen owned in Ohio. Not Far. From her birthplace there is more than a preponderance preponderance of evidence to suggest. This might be exactly what happened. What makes this theory so compelling to investigators is madly clear your motive? Dan The fact that everything he told authorities about his final weekend with Helen turned out to be ally. Matt Link. Cataldi police that Helen flew from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota to O'hare airport in Chicago where he picked her up that weekend. Helen stayed at the Chicago Estate With Matt Leg. During which time she kept to herself refusing to even speak on the telephone then he dropped her off at O'hare at seven. AM on Monday for a flight to Florida. where she planned to move with? Richard Bailey. Really police had no trouble finding holes in madly story. I when Helen left the Mayo Clinic gift shop the morning of February seventeenth. She told the clerk. My house man is waiting meaning. Matt Lick must've picked her up in Minnesota and not from O'hare as he claimed he was thus thus the last person to see her alive. Matlock is correct about Helen. Not Speaking on the telephone but it's doubtful. Oh she did that by choice. Several calls came in but Matt Lake always answered the phone and told callers that Helen was unavailable feelable. This is incredibly suspicious because Helen reportedly loved speaking on the phone and if she were at home for an entire tire weekend especially a weekend before moving to a new state. It's likely she would have been on the phone constantly. Telling everyone her plans and saying in goodbye. And as for Madly Driving Helen to O'hare first thing Monday morning for her flight to Florida. Helen never flew in the morning wing and she wasn't even going to Florida in the first place in her last known correspondence. She had written to a friend from the Mayo Clinic that she was was not planning to go to Florida for quite some time because she needed to get her affairs in order. Matlock was also having financial problems problems at the time of Helen's disappearance. He claims he revealed this to hell in over the weekend. And she took pity on him and wrote several checks totaling around thirteen thousand dollars. But after Helen's death it was discovered that matlock had forged her signature. The root of Matt Lakes financial problems were gambling debts. He owed to the spill latrobe brothers. You'll remember them as the mafia gangsters who disposed of bodies by turning them into liquid steel in other words he had some dangerous connections. Joyce Novak Matlock's ex-wife also testified in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. That Matt Lick had his own violent history. She told detectives that Matlock had a violent Alan Temper and beat her several times once until she lost consciousness. So we know Matt Lick had a hair trigger temper and and was capable of violence. She also detailed their money woes and how she had been forced to use checks instead of cash to keep track of expenses down to the a penny but after Helen Brock's death Joyce Claims Matlin showered her with hundred dollar bills. She also claimed that Matt Lick never stayed overnight in one of Helen's houses when she was in town but he happened to on the weekend. Helen disappeared. Furthermore Joyce asserted that matic and Bailey had started speaking on the phone frequently in the weeks before Helen's disappearance often four hours at a time. This isn't that unusual until you consider that the two of them had never spoken on the phone. Before after Helen's death investigators also found toll receipts from the weekend of Helen's disappearance between Helen's stayed outside and she cargo and her farm in Ohio. Jack Matlock had submitted them to Helen's estate for reimbursement but there's more donald nor groundskeeper testified that on the weekend of Helen's disappearance he stopped by the broncos state to give Matt Flick an estimate for some tree work nor walked around the back of the house to an open door where he saw map lick with another man and a teenage girl in an oversized sized dress and ill-fitting red wig not unlike the one Helen had taken to wearing before disappearance. If this is true it would explain why. And how Mamik lied about dropping Helen off at O'hare airport he may have gone to the airport but clearly it wasn't with Helen. It was someone made to look like her nor also revealed that he knocked for several minutes at Helen's door and was ignored ord even though he was no more than twenty feet away from matic and the others assembled inside then when he turned to leave matlock walked up behind him and Said said there's something very important going on in the house right now I will call you later. Matlin called him on February twentieth and told him I'm to return to the House the following Monday then on Monday Matlin gave nor a check for nine hundred fifty dollars for the tree trimming coming work and a fifty dollar tip when Nora asked why he was receiving a post dated cheque for work he hadn't completed and hip Matt Lick lost. His temper screamed threatened him and urged him not to speak to authorities. This theory is extremely compelling for one thing there are multiple witnesses to matt lakes devious behavior he also had a history of violence and emotive he. He was in dire financial straits and stood to personally benefit from Helen's death however matlock was not known to be a criminal mastermind mastermind in fact it seems totally. Implausible that Matlin could have orchestrated and carried out the murder alone specifically that he was able to kill Helen and dispose of the body without leaving any incriminating evidence after all. This is the same Jack. Matic who couldn't even forge George Helen's checks without getting caught as for the toll receipts while it's clear. That Matt Link drove to the Form Ohio. It could have been for a number number of reasons including purging the house of any valuables so while there's a great deal of evidence to suggest madly killed Helen himself off. It just doesn't seem like he was capable of such a task he would have needed the help of professionals. Our third theory sorry proposes. He got jest that the theory. I came to light in two thousand two when detectives received a call completely out of the blue from Joseph Plemmons Plemmons was the con artist and Jane Gang Associate who was supposedly present on the night. Helen was killed according to theory. One by two thousand two plemmons was somehow still in the horse. Business and living a quiet life in Pennsylvania but he was wracked with guilt and couldn't go on until he revealed the truth about what really happened to Helen. That's why he called old detectives and unburdened himself of a secret. He'd been keeping since nineteen seventy seven his testimony combined the most compelling elements elements of the previous two theories. We've discussed this is what he claimed. The first part of the Bailey theory of the disappearance Prince was true. Bailey did shop around for an assassin to takeout Helen Brach but when his price proved too low he flint Florida. In the meantime Matt Lick arranged a deal with the jeans and the pilot tros madly would pick helen up from the Mayo Clinic and drive her back back to Chicago while they burgled her house taking her valuable jewelry art and millions in bearer bonds. Not only with the satisfy the gambling debts matlock owed them it would make them all very rich Lee writer. The Jane Gang Bodyguard met Matt Lick upon his return to Chicago with Helen. The two men beat Helen nearly to death stuffed her in the trunk of a car and drove to Ken Hansen stable. When they opened the trunk and discovered she was still alive? Hansen told Frank Jane to finish her off. Jane refused so Hanson tossed the gun to plemmons women's who did as he was told then certain she was dead. They put her in the back of Curt Hansen station wagon and drove her to the steel mill in Gary Indiana where Helen's body was dumped into the furnace and turned into liquid steel. Well the details of Helen's murder murder and disappearance in this theory are remarkably similar to the details. Posited in the first theory this explains Matlock's role which would've been essential in carrying out. The plan ended answers every question about motive murder and disappearance investigators. There's shared this opinion. They considered clements testimony so credible that they followed up on everything he said. And everything checked out from plumbers recollection of the cars used to the location and type of steel plant despite this however no new charges were brought against the suspects prosecutors. Unlike the investigators didn't find clemens credible they refused to retry the case after all this was the same Joseph Clemens who ratted out Richard Bailey in order to receive. We have a reduced sentence. But when he did so he wasn't incorrect. Richard Bailey did conspire to have helen murdered. But it seems that plans felt guilty about pinning the entire affair on Bailey he reaffirmed. That Bailey had nothing to do with the actual murder. You're also in the years. Since the nineteen seventy seven crime plemmons had provided information linking his former associate. Ken Hansen to the rape and murder of three boys. He'd proven that he had an active conscience in fact clemens even confessed to his own role in Helen's death naturally with the caveat that he would be immune from prosecution of all the theories we've examined relating to Helen Brock's walks murder. His story is the most plausible. The first theory was based on biased testimony and put an unsupported emphasis on Richard Bailey's role in the killing. The Matt Lick Theory Presents. The clearest motive but gives too much credit to Jack Matt licks intellect and skills as the criminal the third theory. Implicating Matt Lick Bailey and the Chicago horse. Mafia is by far the strongest only by working together. Gather and coordinating information. Could these criminals have made helen disappear forever but we may never know for sure what happened to hell. In Brock Candy heiress her disappearance remains fraught with conflicting testimony and the lack of a smoking gun. Or even to this day. Abbadi unlike the confusion. That still shrouds or disappearance. Helen Brock's legacy is a simple clear. One of Love Caring and philanthropy today the Helen Brach Foundation continues. He knew her campaign to promote the welfare of animals and children and all of Chicago remembers her. As the light-hearted dancing candy widow thanks again for tuning into gone. We'll be back in two weeks with another episode. You can find more episodes of gone and all all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy. See for you to enjoy all of your favorite park has originals like gone for free from your phone. 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Dr. Helen Fisher. Wired for love: The neuroscience of sex, lust, affection, and lasting love

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Dr. Helen Fisher. Wired for love: The neuroscience of sex, lust, affection, and lasting love

"Welcome to untangle the podcast from five star app. Meditation studio. I'm Patricia carpets co-founder of meditation studio enter hosts on tangle, along with my co-host, RL Garton, one of the founders of brain sensing, headband, muse join us each week as we introduce you to authors experts and thought leaders who share their stories on how meditation mindfulness and brain focused practices. Have the power to change our lives. Whether you're just learning to meditate or one, a deep in your practice meditation studio with hundreds of guided meditations and muse, which provides great feedback on your practice are two awesome tools. You'll want to have in your back pocket now onto Arielle and today's interview. Welcome this week. We're going to extend beyond our heads to our hearts and get down and dirty on the topic of love. Dr Helen Fisher is a biological anthropologist studies love. And she knows her thing or two about love she's written six books on the future of human marriage, sex love, gender differences in the brain and higher personality style shapes who you love chosen as a thing or two about dating. She's this chief scientific advisor to match dot com for how many years Helen was fourteen fourteen you've seen a lot of changes in how people date in that time. Absolutely. And seen a lot about how mater Tennessee technology has or hasn't changed that ritual. Right. Exactly. The welcome Helen were excited to get inside your head and your heart and learn about love thank you delighted to be here. Here happy for you to be here. So let's dive in first around your match dot com experience because it's so fascinating to think that you've watched literally millions and millions of people date. Fall in love court flirt, over the last fourteen years, I do a lot of things with match dot com. I've been doing in the last nine years is we do an annual circle singles in America about sex, love dating orgasm, what they had for dinner, what they're looking for, in a partner, how they break up have been goes at everything we ask about about two hundred questions every year, we create the questions in August, and then right before Christmas, all the data comes back, we did it. We collect the data on the internet. Which is a good way to do it actually is people are more honest when they're doing it on the internet. And then we go out in mid, seventy wary, Valentine's Day, and, and talk about singles in America. What's really important whether as much portent about what we found, but what's important to meme. For though is that we do not Pol the match members. This is not a poll of batch members. It's a national Representative sample of singles based on the US census. So we got the right number blacks wise ages Tino gay straight world suburban urban every part of the country, every age, age eighteen to seventy one plus so it's an enormous study. We collect data on over five thousand people every year with just about come out with our ninth year results. So we got forty thousand people that we're looking at. And of course, we founded incredible number of, of very interesting things about about singles in America. Like what like what we all wanna know one of the ones that really has always interested me is that men men fall in love, just as often as women do. I mean I actually have put a lot of people in the brain scanners and studied romantic love in the brain. And we see that men's brain when they're madly love is just as active as women's, but in the singles in America study we were able to stay. Average that men fall in love faster than women. Do they fall in love more often than women do when they meet somebody? They want to introduce the friends and family sooner men wanna move insular men have intimate conversations with their wives and girlfriends than women do with husbands and boyfriends. Because women have their it amid conversations with their girlfriends and manner to transfer likely to kill themselves when a relationship is over. So, and in fact, forty eight percent. Singles believed that manages romantic as, as women are, just are women's magazines, started the general public at some things that women are more romantic. That's one thing that I really, really like gays are just exactly like straits every single year. I mean they fall in love just as often they fall in love just as are they wanna move in just as often. They have a little bit, my sex outside of the relationship with the agreement of their partner. That's something this probably pretty well known. The brain system for sex is different from the brain system for romantic. Love in just as romantic, as straights are, it's a basic brain system. So those are two things I'm older. So I like to study older people, they can be very sexual, they've got a partner, and they do not compromise. His much one of the questions that I asked several years is would you make a long-term commitment to somebody who has every single thing you're looking for an apartment, but you do not find that person sexually attractive, and the least likely to make that compromise and give up the sex is people over sixty the young Greenlee? And the other compromise because they've got to the young have to find a reproductive partner and a good example as a young man as a friend of mine. And he wants sent to me is that, you know, how on my wife is not the best I've ever had bed. I've had much better in bed, but she's the right present for Macy's wonderful to our daughter. Various, my business is very charming is a great partner. As though I went with that, and drew, your reproductive years, you've really gotta be very careful about what you're, we all have to be careful about who we choose any as but the bottom line is the older. You get the less likely you are to compromise. I'm good example. Eminem way over sixty and wouldn't against lucky sweeter. Thank you. I got a wonderful boyfriend at the moment, but I was single for a long time, and there was a guy in Arizona, who I really liked me and everything I could want an Amana loved theater was very humorous. He was very well educated, he was could looking he was kind by didn't wasn't interested in sexually. Am I gonna move from New York City at my age to don't resting person to be with somebody who's not a sexual interest as well as for the no I'm not? So the older you get the happier you are. There's a lot of data about that, not only month in the singles numeric steady. But around the world, and I could go on for one second on this idea that people get happier as they get older. I think we've heard this before, but intuitively doesn't seem to make sense, because we think about a grumpy old men at such a contract. Talk a little bit about being happier as you age, all the data shows that there's sort of two kinds of, of happiness, musicologist would say this just. Being, you know that joyful self and the other sort of sense of wellbeing. And I think as you get older. The sense of wellbeing gets gets greater. I mean you get calmer. I know I'm not as in businesses, I used to be I don't care if they call somebody else instead of may, I look back over the ark of my life and I'm sort of astonished at the things that I've done. I'm sort of pleased with them. And I do think that the brain because more relaxed people become more relaxed. They've gotten rid of much of the bad in their lives and moved on to accept the life that they've got to look at some of their shave minutes and be happy. I know that older women very picky in their relationships are not older. People are not gonna put up with a lot of junk. We've been there we've done that. And we're not doing it again. And I do think that you see what you've ban you see where you are. You can be grateful about things, and all of the data show, older, people are happier. So you've hinted a little bit about what the brain. Looks like in love. Can you talk about the neuroscience of love, please finish in, you know, any part of human behavior that would have evolved that would be seated in the brain would be all of our reproductive strategy because if you have four children, I have no children, you'll live on die out, so the game of love matters, so I fear, we will leave filed various systems to make sure that we find a partner and have babies. And so I began to look at the brain in love. And we put seventeen people who just fallen happily in love into the brain scanner, and we've found that tippety in a tiny little factory near the base of the brain called the ventral take mental area where the V ta it's a brain region that actually makes dopamine which is a natural stimulant creating motivation ecstasy focus wanting little vita sans. That don't mean too many brain regions that gives you that craving the obsession the folk. The motivation, the ecstasy and even the exiled in despair of intense romantic love. So as all kinds of processes, always thinking about the person and all kinds of in the middle of the brain, the limbic regions, like with the emotions, you have a lot of most. But basically romantic love is a drive. It comes from one of the most primitive parts of the brain linked with craving obsession motivation in intense ceilings of romantic passion. In fact, that little brain region lies right next to brain regions that orchestrate thirst and hunger and thirst hundred keep you alive today and feelings of intense romantic love you to focus your mating energy on a prison. Start that attachment and drive your DNA into tomorrow. So it's, it's basic survival mechanism that evolved millions of years ago actually long before we became people other animals do feel that animal attraction, but it's very brief. We could do it for years. It's the basics of intense. Romantic love. Is that feeling intense romantic love necessarily good thing? We talked about it as this animal drive cravings obsession. When you evolve into a relationship to want to keep that feeling threat, your relationship or can it be harmful? I figured can be either. I think we've all three distinctly different brain systems for mating and reproduction one. The sex drive seconds. Feelings of intense, romantic love and third. His feelings of deep attachment and all three of these brain systems are way at the base in the brain, and in a good relationship, and it's my guess that the vast majority of people wanna keep all three brain systems, very active intense. Feelings of the sex drive for your partner, intense. Feelings of romantic love for your partner and feelings of deep attachment for your partner, but I do think that it can turn into an addiction of very positive addiction, when it's going well, we've chosen the right person, and very happy, but very negative addiction when the person dunks you in there cheating on you when as byu. Use etcetera etcetera. So it's a very powerful drive. It's a little bit like hunger. I mean, you know, is great when you're eating the right things at the right time and not so great, when you're, you know, overeating under eating or eating all the wrong things. So if basically drive that evolved millions of years ago, I think the sex drive actually evolved to get you out there to look a range of partners. You know, even have sex with somebody, you're not in love with I think romantic love evolved to review the focus you made our gene on just one individual at a time, and that third brain region of attachment, enable you to stick with this person, at least long enough to raise a child together through the infancy of child. So I think they are all very, powerful evolve for very important reasons and can be feel since tremendous joy during SEK joy when you feel madly love joy, when you feel deeply tash, Anna, concerted move into horror, when things go. On fascinating. Can we talk a little bit more about the brain regions around attachment? And how those work and how to potentially deepen attachment, you know, people who have just fallen happily in love do not show. A lot of activity in the basic brain region league with attachment when we put people into the scanner who had just fallen happily love people who had fallen in love in the in the in the last eight months, did not show activity in this brain region link with tach -ment is called the ventral pallet him. But people who had been in love eight to seventeen months did begin to show activity in this brain region linked with tach -ment so attachment grows the sex drive can be instant romantic, love can be instant but attachment grows into it grows. The brain fascinating. So we really need to nurture relationships in order to grow in deepen that attachment. Well, I think that we're, you know, when you're madly love, your tend to do that naturally in our mean you're just gonna door somebody. Just and the task grows. But you know I mean you can be madly in love with somebody that you don't really ever want to be attached. I mean, you know, I know kinds of people including me you fall in love with somebody said, oh, man. This isn't right. Present home to mother in. I mean, this is not right. But you're still madly in love with the person. And I mean, that's one of the reasons casual sex is not casual in lesser so drunk, you can't remember casual sex is not casual things happen in the brain. It can actually any kind of sexual stimulation of the genitals can drive up the dopamine system and push you over the threshold into fallen in love, and with orgasm. This can often be a real flood of oxygen and visit present linked with feelings of attachment. So even hop in bed with somebody in a one night stand. And then actually we studied this in our seals in America study at match and I asked the question, have you ever just gone into one night? Stand thinking nuts one night stand, you know. And fallen madly in love with somebody and have it, turn into a long-term partnership. And thirty five percent of the people said, yes that had happened to them. And then you get into this friends with benefits, then you're having regular sex with the beginning to get to know, the person that amount of sex, can really drive you over the edge when we asked forty forty five percent of singles at a friends with benefits situation. Turn into a long-term committed partnership. So this remain system. Sex drive manic, love and attachment are connected in the Bank, but they're not always connected. And that's the problem you can lie in bed at night. Feel a deep, you know, attachment to one person and then swinging the feelings of wild romantic love for somebody else. And then in dealings of the sex drive, somebody who hardly know. So the very powerful very basic, very primitive brain systems that are gonna be with us as long as we survive as species, and it's very worthwhile to get to know. Are you can handle them, actually? That's an interesting question how you can handle them. How would you suggest people think about their relationship to systems are manage these systems when they start to take take over us? Let's say you get bored in a partnership. This is the reverse, would you just desk, but you board in partnership, and you want to restock late off three of these brands systems. I think that's not too hard. The secrets tells us secrets. Does have sex if you wanna get get more sex drive have sex. There is two toss thrown in seminal fluid. Sex has Tostes treaters sex drive more sex. You have more sexy. One have sex sex is good for you. It's very good for the muscles in. It's very good for the bladder. It's, it's, it's very good for your sense of humor, actually. It immune system. Sex lowers cholesterol, lowering cortisol stress hormone it triggers brain grows. It triggers Bedia for it activity in magdala for emotional processing price of the prefrontal cortex decision making sex is good for you. It's good for the body. And if you getting bored destig- of doing, you know, set up a schedule for God's sakes, you can certainly schedule. Some set the more you do it where you're gonna like it in order the trigger. Feelings of tents, romantic love, novelty, novelty, novelty, go to novel things together, and in terms of attachment, just stick together walk arm in, but learn to at least start the night sleeping in each other's arms cuddle on the couch. Why while you watch television rather than two separate armchairs kiss? Hissing drives up the Oxy tocine system, any kind of pleasurable trust will drive up the. Dozen system and give you feelings of deep attachment. So you wanna keep the sector alive. You wanna keep a medic level. I wanna keep the attachment life, but we ended up this three things that really four other things really fast. It made to keep relationships in good shape. We point seventeen people into the brain scanner who had been married an average of twenty one years, they kept on coming into the lab and said, I'm still in love with her not just loving, but in love with her or him. So we put these people in the scanner ensure every time the same activity in venting mental area and civil other brain reaches. But we also among those who were very happy there partnerships. We found activity in three basic brain regions brain region linked with empathy brain region linked with controlling your own stress and your own emotions and brain regions linked with what I call positive illusions. The ability. To all what you don't like about somebody focus on what you do. And so, and the very last thing is they've now discovered that. Thing. Nice things to your partner every day. Not only does that help boost damn Yoon system. Reduce cholesterol, and cortisol in their in their body brain. But it also doesn't in you. So those seven things express them, busy control your own stress, your emotions overlook the negative, sane ice things get into bed with him or her do novel things together and stay in touch. Those are all brain regions now is all psychologists will say, all kinds of psychological things you should do. All good. But what I've tried to do in my work is at just Ed with the brain says about a happy partnership. It's beautiful. And now we all have a recipe that we can follow it. So simple. It is simple. But sometimes it's hard for people, I don't know. It's not hard for me. Anything about it from the reward perspective. It makes total sense that novelty as up, regulating, your dopamine system would also crossover and stimulate your view ta exactly. So some of the things that you. Described a meditation can actually help you with so empathy. Perspective, taking managing your own stress. So all of those who have long term meditation practices will recognize these as meaningful things that meditation does for them of for me to know because I really do meditate every day is mentioned to you. But I didn't know I mean, I've always known. This is logical benefits of feel better just much more relaxed. I mean, I'm just not stressed and I get up and I've got renewed energy. What else do I get from it? I can't remember what you just said. These empathy and perspective, taking okay. One in ability to manager own stress. Okay. Can talk a little bit. You are meditation practice. I know chatted abetted bit every day at a certain point. And I, I gotta stop. I gotta stop in the middle of the sentence. It's just plain over and I go down and put a little low underneath my head, and I put three pills under my knees. My back is very comfortable and. Get myself nice and warm and just do that deep breathing. I almost instantly fall into a state. I feel I feel my sort of the mass of the face falling off. I feel the body just falling off the bones on most and I feel a begin feel like a cosmic connection with, with all animating inanimate things part of the part of the Milky Way, really. And, and it happens when I'm not breathing. It all when I completely exhaled. And that's when I begin feel that cosmic connection and feel this incredible release of body, I suppose you call it. And vandalism I catch myself thinking about what I said to somebody today, and then after decide, well, we want to keep thinking about this sort of think about it or should I get back into that state. I will often say, let's think about it for little have a little sun at that, but that's not relaxing. And then I begin to say, okay, get a grip. You know, get back into the breathing I start doing the breathing almost as soon as I do the breathing I'm back into that other place. No more. Helen just complete uneven relaxation. It's sort of, I guess connection if not even thinking process, what it is sort of being. Perfect makes only utterly perfect sense of connection to you in the universe, and everything else. In a once I, I didn't have time to do it, and I was racing out and got into the tub, and I hadn't done it. And I was in sauced, and I'm going to have to go to get all this stuff. I said, okay. Howling going to do it in the top I happen to love really hot bad. So I was in the top said I missile relaxed in the tub I started doing the deep breathing and always just perfectly fine normal, and all of a sudden I found myself above my body about five feet above my body looking down, and it was as real as looking at you. Right now I looked down, and I might add to the first thought was oh, Helen, why did you worry so much all of your life? How stupid was that? And then I wield around as this sort of ghost of Molly molecules dissolved in mill little bubbles into. Millions of molecules and started heading for the Milky Way. And I had this intense feeling of joy rapture almost conquering sort of feeling of joy, and then I decided to breathe again and got back into my body and into the tub, but I'm never ever forget that and what it gave me is what I think will happen or an hoping will happen that the moment that I'd I, I mean I, I actually look forward to that moment. I don't look forward to old age. I don't look forward to, you know, decrepitude and all the other things that when were about the actual moment of deaths from me might be that. And even if it isn't, it's given me a tremendous amount of relaxation about that moment. And, and, and perhaps join that moment. So incredible at two beautiful experience, that not many people get to actually have to go find in their practice where they can feel that. Being out of their body connected to the world dissolving the universe extraordinary lovely to hear because I've never had any meditate. A nobody told me that I did in graduate school hundred years ago, really, they said, how to breathe an apologist, I went to Chamonix thing when after noon, they taught you just had a breed. And, you know, they said, you know, you need a word and I tried trying to word, but it's easier to just breathe just get it's got a word. I gotta be doing something and Caesar for me to just disappear completely it's amazing. So as an anthropologist, what t- make of all this is sort of amazing that the brain is evolved, mechanisms for such piece how is selected for. I mean, you know, selection is having babies did people who have experienced? Must have been more. Relaxed must felt more connected and had more children because they were more relaxed or connected more, calm more more genuine, and so those babies passed on this brain circuitry, it's probably the only only way you could think about it, 'cause they're Atrovent some selection for it, or we wouldn't all have the experience, so interesting. In so many traditions, the people who train themselves have experiences monks, nuns. Choose to not have babies of that's pretty modern though, you know, we didn't young monks in a million years ago at the very modern the brain was, you know, we have exactly exactly the same brain as we had three hundred thousand years ago. They aren't the organization of the brain, the neuro chemicals of the brain, the structure of the basic structure of the brain has not changed in three hundred thousand years. And because we came down the trees, four point. Four million years ago. So that's a lot of time to have babies passes traditional to select for this state, and even shame and had children in maybe shaming in past centuries and Belania had a deeper connection. Maybe they did get into trance state more often. I don't know much about trance, but may, think about transport. But they certainly would've had just as many children, as everybody else. In fact, even more because they have special practice, which was curing so good. We're working something out here. I never thought of performed my whole life. It's awesome. It's one thing you do a lot about is different kinds of personalities, and how they impact how you act in who you love. Yes, I haven't personality for it. I would love to as this is my newest work started in two thousand five when match dot com. Came to be was the CEO on down, and he asked me in the middle of the morning. Why do you fall in love with one person rather than another? And I said, I don't know. Nobody knows we do know that you tend to fall in love with somebody from the same socioeconomic backgrounds in general level, intelligence. Same general level. Good looks. Same religious and social values, your childhood always plays a role. We build an unconscious last I culture love match. Things are looking for an apartment and you keep ultra natural in your childhood in adult all the plays a role, but you can walk into a room and everybody's from your background, same level of intelligence, and good looks and you don't fall in love with all of. So I began to think to myself could basic body chemistry pool. You naturally to one person rather than another. I looked all the academic literature, the last safe forty years of it for any traded on linked with Amy biological system. Now, there's all kinds of systems in the brain is, you know as neuroscientist, but Muslim, keep the eyes blinking heartbeat and not with present face. There are four that are the dopamine serotonin to staff thrown estrogen system. In these four brain systems are each one of the link with a constellation a list of personality traits. So I created a questionnaire to seek to what degree you express the trains linked with these four brain systems. Don't mean serotonin just toss on estrogen. I put that questionnaire on match and on chemistry dot com. A related site, the match site. Fourteen people taking this questionnaire, and I can watch who's drawn home in as it turns out, those very high on the dopamine system. I call them explorers that we're combination of all of them. These are coming holes brain systems ratios. Of course, Adele mean system. Oh, yes, you're the dopamine system. I think you're also the estrogen system. I think. Yeah. I think that's what I am too, because it's funny, I'm beginning to feel somebody in on I felt that instantly. So people are very expensive tend to be risk-taking now, seeking juries creative spontaneous, energetic, mentally, flexible, and they're drawn to people like themselves. I dopamine explorers go for people like themselves. They want somebody with the same energy curiosity creativity as them people, very expressive of the serotonin system, I call them builders, not a great term, but about it now at fourteen million people taking I'm stuck with it. So I think I would call the gardens. The fide known more better, their traditional the rules respect to story concrete thinking tend to be calm tend to be social tend to be religious like rule schedules plans. And they are drawn to people like some selves, as well traditional goes for traditional America's vice President Mike Pence is perfect. For example, in those two cases similarity attracts in the other two cases, opposites attract high Tassone. I call the director goes for high estrogen. The negotiator advice versus spill are very high testosterone. Steve Jobs is the perfect example. Einstein was perfect example. These people are in little logical direct decisive. Tough-minded good. What we call route basis, everything from mechanics, engineering computers, math music, I think, Beethoven was high testosterone, and they go for their opposite of the high estrogen high estrogen people, I think actually, Hillary Clinton Clinton is very high touch tone. I think Margaret Thatcher was high touch women can be, but as many more men in that category, high estrogen people negotiators. They see the big picture, the contextual holistic synthetic long-term thinkers, they can deal. Well then cuties have got a very good. Dimension, like good people skills weeding. Pastor gesture tone of voice, the nurturing their trusting that have the and our most expressive dago higest opposite, so me for example, my boyfriend is very high dopamine. Just like me. He's, he's a well known writer. You gotta be bit creative. If you're going to do any writing, and he's risk-taking guys all over the world etcetera Senator were both high dummy networks. He's high to staff from an I'm high estrogen, and that also works in that case, we're both very is perfect. He's little bit higher in the serotonin scale that traditional than I am. But I'm ladies much better at making lever plant. So, you know, it's I have studied a hundred thousand people I've never met to people who I thought were like all different in even my twin sister bet identical twin sister, even she and I are not. Exactly alike note to people are exactly alike. But there's Patterson ager is patterns to culture and as patterns to personality. And that's what I think I've stumbled on some basic patterns of personality. And they've really I wrote a book on it called him, I heard, but my most recent book, it's in that it's actually the questionnaires in two of my books all over the internet, too. But anyway, it's called the Fisher temperament scale VIN, but he wants to take it. Well, that's the original the one that I had offered you, as the newer fancier one, it's really helped me actually my personal life as well as intellectually academically. It's interesting. So when I heard you, I describe the scale I immediately identified my husband is high testosterone, and also high dopamine as well. Like we're both novelty seekers myself is very high dopamine. And also high estrogen in it entirely explained why he will tell me some. Thing once in very short into the point, and I wanna tell him something along in flowery. And he gets mad that griping something he's like you told me this already could've told me in the first two words like I just wanna share what's on my mind. I just wanna share my thoughts and my feelings. Like you shared it ready. Thank you. Wow. That is clearly a testosterone versus estrogen system as is and what do you do? And how do you feel he it's it, it's an issue. It's like okay, then somebody with an estrogen Deion feels like they are not being fully heard somebody with testosterone being feels like somebody is constantly, repeating themselves on wise was his repetition happening. You know, I don't sit this way that you know you feel evaded in he feels invalidated. Yes. And last night didn't happen with me and my boyfriend, I was I was going over initial, and he finds it. I'm tired. We gotta go to sleep. As all right. Right. Right. It's over. You know, but I've learned to say things, only once how you gonna handle it. You handle it like you handle anything else through compassion understanding finding way analyzing yourself with this desire is to repeat something over and over again. It. Yeah. Analyzing that's actually it's happening or not. Grete vagaries of human interaction. And does he realize what he's doing? I think so I'm invent. Alternate. And to me, this is the way my world feels, but exactly. So you know, I mean neither is batter. Good. They're just different. Yes, you know, you a very important point. There's a lot of great psychology in the world after Lee wonderful. But right now in American, I would guess also in Canada. Everybody thinks everything is psychological. Everything is the problem with your mother everything has to do with your child at everything has to do with your growing up. It's not all that. It sometimes it's what you inherited. It's who you are. I just wanna get people realizing that you don't have to be on a couch for thirty years to understand your personality to realize what you just described. That's who he is. And it's who you are. Men wanna be needed women want to be cherished men wanna be needed. And I think actually right now, you know, asked about what I, I don't think our culture understand either sex to be honest with him. I don't think they understand men at all. And I don't think they. Stand women. I think that they think that manner to toughen that women are to untie off. I think women are very career oriented. When I think men want to be needed around the home etcetera, etcetera. Don't wanna get on soapbox bad it, but I don't think we understood how the sex and I do hope that this understanding can really be not only in the home and with friends, but also in business. And in fact, I give quite a few speeches now talk about how these broad styles thinking behaving innovate how they need how to build a team. I one of the problems in building a corporate board, for example, is that people invite people like themselves because they understand them. I mean, I'm all for hiring different genders different sexual orientations than and different ethnic varieties. But you still might be hiring person with exactly the same brain or the black white Asian Latinica. We still be a builder still behind sirott on it. I'm really for diversity of mind in, if you're going to build a build a team or build a corporate board or or understand how to sell when I've stumbled on is mother. Nature's to basic behavioral patterns the degree to which you, so the traits of men male versus female, and the degree to which you so the stay versus go. Don't meet go serotonin is stay. I'm not studying the American brain. I'm studying human brain, for example, in China and Japan did many more hyphen tone of people if they're just genetically more high serotonin people in those two countries got date on forty countries and you can look at it and see the composition of the styles of, of thinking behaving. It's fascinating. It is captivating to me, for sure said, we talked a lot about love between presumably to people within a pair on a couple. When we talk about loving other humans who are strangers. When we talk about projecting you know, love to people all around the world feeling sensitive, no connection or supporter desire to love one another. How do you think about that? I think I mean these razors sex drive us not going to be involved. Intense romantic love probably not gonna be involved. But I think if we if you know, the love of your pet for example, love your children. Love your neighbors, a love people, it probably is somehow linked was the attachment system in the brain. The probably the feeling is a feeling of attachment connection. Inclusion, his many think about, you know, a meditation context often at the end of the meditation. Nielsen left to everyone in the world. Nice. That's very nice, so funny, because, you know, I think because I'm gonna democratical twin. I always felt a natural connection to everybody. I mean, you know, maybe that has given as sort of a lifelong connection to, to other people, I mean, for example, I'll walk throats of the American Museum of natural history in New York, and all see little amulets in this and pieces of gold and things, and I'll think, oh, twenty thousand years ago, somebody gave that to somebody of somebody in on not reports from around the world, which I think is a great artifact as human mind. And you can almost feel the way, somebody the anguish or the craving, the obsession or the joy of people everywhere there's such basic feelings. I mean, I've actually been to a hundred eight countries and I tell you people are exactly alike. When it comes to love is potentially this notion that love can save us in. When we think about love saving s I think it's not just the love between one another but it's the love between, you know, people in strangers the, the love that can overcome hate the love and the ability to see somebody like, see who they are as a human feel. This kindness connection attachment for their humanity, regardless of whether or not, you know, them read the deviled cow's protest against Brown cows, and the, you know, you hear about the, the black sheep in the ugly duckling, and we do have mechanisms in the brain linked with, you know, self and other and for many years, you know, other people could be very dangerous. So we do have natural patterns of, of, of mistrust to we get to know somebody, and what's, I think, might save the world. Is that through television and the internet? We're beginning to see people. Oh, fall if their bicycle in. Iran or play a game of cards in Tibet, and see a baby cry and in Japan. And once you get more familiar with other people see that they behave the way doing the laughs Wade cry to read this kind of. So I think the more that the world mixes a half's those brain mechanisms that cut people off for winning of loosening reasons will subside. And we will feel more of a Kuzma connection to, to all of them. It's interesting when you're seeing that in mixed marriages, your Liz, the social tap against a mixed marriage. Whether is religious or cultural, and now, you're seeing in my husband is Filipino. We at this adorable baby in so that thing that really was a mental and a cultural taboo has within a very short period of time like a generation or two really started to solve. And in fact, the internet's really helping with that found that there are two. Payoff summit. And one of more interational marriages, we have having more racial matches because people are meeting people on the internet, as opposed to social circles, and they get to know seventy because they have the same interests rather than that the same color, you're perfect example, where we're seeing Mel dean of culture, receiving melding of ethnic groups and seeing the melting of ideas in. That's great. We'll never really get together until somebody from another universe comes to try to bomb us, then everybody is going to be their best friend. So hope that doesn't happen, hopefully grow up for that. We don't need a super other to connect us all to the people anyways. He had one last tip, or insider, thought around the brain, the love the human. What would it be any understanding of the today or the future must take into consideration? One of the most powerful brain systems, every vault the human drives to love awesome. This has been amazing. You so much for letting us inside of your brain showing the inside of our brains on love on tach -ment on sex. Drive's in connection. Thank you for your wisdom. Well, thank you for having our chat. I pleasure, that was Dr Helen Fisher, you can find all of her resources, more information and the awesome personality tests that tells you it hormone group, your dominated by her website. Helen Fisher dot com. If you'd like to see the full conversation, you can find that on my website, Arielle garden dot com. And if you've ever wondered what goes on in your brain while you meditate, you actually want to hear or see that in real time, you can check out muse the brain syncing headband that helps you meditate gives you real time feedback on your meditation practice. Let you know, when you're focused when your mind is wandering to help you start or enhance your practice. You can find out more at shoes. News dot com. 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 Will HS2 really benefit the north?

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Will HS2 really benefit the north?

"Today as Boris Johnson decides the fate of HFS to we ask. If Europe's biggest infrastructure a stretch of project will be good for the north and making the decision to have an assisted DAB. They it took around this visit will. Yeah if you live up all you might know. These sounds pretty well. Old creaking trains chugging slowly along over the crowding delays cancellations sound of many years of under investment. But what could a solution beyond the horizon in coming days. We're expecting the government to finally make. Its mind up about whether or Norway chess two will go ahead if it does by twenty forty. We should have a high speed rail link from London London to Manchester and Leeds Birmingham at a cost of up to one hundred billion pounds. Boris Johnson got his majority by winning seats. In traditional national lighter heartlands including across the north and some selling the project as a way of leveling up the country rebalancing the quality of infrastructure across England but some northern MP's and according to one recent poll. A majority of northerners are not convinced from the Guardian. I'm initially Donna today. In focus is HFS to really for the nor Helen. ped- your north of England editor. Why did you go to Winsford so I decided that I wanted to speak to ordinary? Certainly commuters who were suffering their regular rail journey in the north of England. I was looking for a railway station on one of the two main lines lines in the UK. Either the west coast line or the East Coast. Main Line and Winsford is on the West Coast. Main Line Winsford is a town slap bang in the middle of Cheshire in the northwest of England. It's fairly big. It's got thirty three thousand people living there and it's famous locally for one thing and one thing only and that's it's huge salt mine which ones right underneath the town. Like fifty percent of the grit that sprinkled on roads in the winter comes from Winsford starts. His big claim to fame is about thirty miles away from both Liverpool Liverpool and Manchester so in some ways it should be an ideal commuter town. But it's not. How do the people you spoke to on the platform right there? Rail services well they would just sort of resigned to pretty terrible services. It wasn't that busy for seven. Am You'd have thought there would be lots of people getting on a train. Scared to Manchester or Liverpool. What it was like maybe twelve people something like that? I'm no wonder really because even in the peak rush hour they're only two direct trains. That will get you to Liverpool in time to start work at nine. AM It's Liverpool. Oh so it was like going out so hit. A Litany of complaints from delays busiest. Email address is this declared mind for the trains. It is boys pop possible life so I don't want that fitting anymore. Infuriating cancellations drivers. Don't turn on Oprah Ale when you've waited for train and then they say customer doesn't turned in the snow train. Got No contingency plans if somebody doesn't channel like fifteen percent of all trains from Winston Council last month pretty much every week. Yeah and then obviously getting home when the trains comes from the other side. It's a nightmare back when you've obviously done full day at work and then you've got away an hour and a half for trade and of course overcrowding. I've been. He's discharged for the last twenty years when I started using twenty years ago Six or seven people on the train now. The train is packed. Every moment and seven four acquirers the nine zero five is okay thanks. It sounds a bit like the type of seeing and I imagine is being replayed on platforms all over the north. It's my life every every every morning. In the stockport so burps. I may waiting for my two carriage train. Despite it being the eight fifteen trained everybody wants to get get the Manchester in time you know you might be in a major city. In the north of England on the stories the same you'll have a short form coverage which was probably a built in the one thousand nine hundred thousand might have been based on the design for a bus rather than a train vein screeching brakes leaky toilets naked forget about luxuries like a plug sockets or Wi fi just one woman with a roof that doesn't link and everybody everybody just piles in. It's just completely lacking in dignity and let alone comfort. I was GONNA ask how cozy does it get Anura carriage train into Manchester. It gets very cozy all too cozy but they really smell of wet dogs. These old pacer trains. It's kind of disgusting. Just a real source of frustration. I put my headphones on trying to close my is it. Just will it be over. I mean I can not only feel it from your voice but I will say of course read your reports and follow on twitter. This is is quite frustrating isn't it. It's incredibly frustrating and it really affects your life. Time and time again went up into reports on the poor rail service in the north of England. People saying soon as I can afford. I'm getting a car and we should be moving away from that kind of thing king and doing anything. We can to get people out of their cars and onto public transport and obviously ASLI transport frustrations exist. All over. I mean I live in the south face but I have moments of share frustration on a train platform form but there are problems that are very specific to the north on. I think is a universal source of frustration public transport in the UK hypotheses fast disparity in terms of the money that's been spent on transport in the north of England so there was a study by Pr North a think tank and they worked how that if the north of England had received same transport investment is Lyndon over the past ten years. How sixty six billion pounds more spent in the the north so there is that big disparity few could say that they didn't see it coming train operator? Northern the crisis hit train operator Northern Auburn chaos on northern rail after eighteen months of troubled headlines cancelled services and crammed commute today northern has been stripped of its franchise. The service has been so poor on northern rail which operates many of the lines in the north of England that in January finally after months if not years' complaints by passengers and local leaders the transport secretary ground shops decided to take the franchise back into state control will and from the first of March northern rail services will be run by civil servants rather than a private company. So look Boris Johnson says he wants to level up the country Trey Justice last week. He suggested that one way to do that is with the biggest revival of infrastructure since the Victorians we will spray hope and opportunity she every part of the UK in other words he's framing H. S. T. is being part of the solution to the problem. You'll setting out. Just start by telling me what is. HFS To say h two is usually described as a high speed rail line from London to the north of England. It's not quite true. It's sort of under cells is actually a high speed rail network so basically it takes you from London to Birmingham than the line splits and it goes in two directions. It goes up towards Manchester in the West and to lead in the east the high-speed tune network will transform royal travel in Great Britain is the backbone to a new high-speed Britain connecting the north and the South Linking Eighteen cities and coaching many existing journey times by almost half with up to thirty six high-speed trains running on the network every hour. It'll pull two thirds of the population of northern England within two hours of central London. It could take an hour of the journey from Manchester London so instead of taking two hours seven minutes it would take one minutes leads to London set of being two hours eleven minutes. It'd be one hour. Twenty one minutes Birmingham Leeds crazy moment. It takes nearly two hours and that would be cut down to forty forty nine minutes and I just to has been in the pipeline for a long time and the timescales key pawn slipping but the current estimate is that the first phase of HSA HSA to which is London's Birmingham might be open somewhere between twenty twenty eight and twenty thirty one. We probably won't C H S two trains reaching Manchester in Leeds before twenty thirty five or maybe even twenty forty so twenty years down. The line turned to forty. I mean not all but I'll be reaching retirement by them. No no not not far off and you know what. That's kind of interesting isn't it. Because I think that's one of the reasons that I myself. Often think of it as a high-speed link between between London and Birmingham. Because it's so long before we'll see it stretching beyond that I mean. What are the people you were speaking to in Winsford maker a lot? All people kept saying things like well bovid about getting to London. Any Quicker Shaven Twenty minutes off me journey to London. It's neither the Brit. Takes me four four or five hours to get to your book because you have to go to live for. Most people would say one ever goes London anyway so it doesn't matter to me and and people were worried about destruction of the countryside and the amount of money that has been spence already. There's more problems to solve on the railway building. Something the nose destroy life in people's homes railway. Lots of suggestions that the money would be better spent on the NHL Education. I mean there were commuted. I'm Matt who did like the idea of a faster journey times. There is another argument. That doesn't really get an airing and that's got nothing to do with speed but it's about capacity and there's one man on the platform who I was minoring while he was trying to buy tickets and starting to get shade Matsuki Nick News which were wounded. Seventy seven pounds. Two hundred and seventy seven pounds. Well he was he was suspiciously well informed and it turns out the end of the conversation. He fessed up and he was an engineer for Network Rail. I don't think the journey times that important to me. I I think the journey times very good at the moment. I think it's it's it's reasonably quick service down West Coast obviously a lot more chance to stop a Winsford But I ge- anytime isn't isn't is not what it's about I look at the growth in the industry over the last certainly the last ten years we probably fifteen years using service regularly and you know I can see this this massive demand and make peace look at least services travelling insulated among chess. Okay so it's not all about speed. What is the capacity? Arguments in the capacity. Argument is quite simple and it is that if you take off the existing mainlines all the fast trains that go from Birmingham and London to Manchester or going further up to Scotland. Take them off the existing railways. Put them on this new line or lines. HSS to and you free free open. Enormous market capacity out the moment these fast institute trains kind of like the bullies of the railway. They go really fast and they're really long and they take a long time to stop which means that they caused all kinds of problems in the timetable because you have to leave a really big buffer between them and the local services that stop at places like Winsford and it means that. There's very little room in the timetable for these local stopping commuter services which is actually what most people care about much more nothing getting to London a bit more quickly. So what you're saying is once you move all the fast trains over onto a new H.. S. Two line assuming the government woman would be willing to buy more slower trains than you could almost have like a conveyor belt of them all traveling along at the same speed without much gap between them which I can see would indirectly solve a lot of the problems. You hit a bow and Winsford the you experience. Every day infrequent trains are hugely richly overcrowded. Why don't you hear this argument being taught about more? I don't know I think that whoever's been the payoff rate just to as done a very poor job in some kind of the. The problem is in the name high-speed to all about emphasizing getting somewhere a bit quicker whereas actually I think your average person cares much more about having having a better choice of trains on their local networks but yeah sure somewhere like Winsford could go from having one train our which is all they have outside the peak period to maybe having four and that's quite transformational. It means you can probably just turn up to the station and just you know without even checking a timetable. Something that communities in the southeast and inland. I'm just used to you but we don't even ever could at times. You just turn up because you know that they'll be a train there in a few minutes. If that becomes a reality could be great for some Winsford but the north both is vast I mean. What about the northeast for example even if h s two trains end up going there the fancy new lines Wayne so presumably Ziemba these arguments carry less weight up their symptoms of the capacity argument? There's probably about one hundred stations. H has to reckon the on the existing East East and West mainlines who will benefit from that. HFS to would argue that safety Lipton Newcastle. You'd be getting trained down from Newcastle. And then you could pick up the the high speed line on Birmingham or maybe it leads but yeah sure I mean the northeast is always the loser when it comes to particularly transport investment. Yeah sometimes I think that we're hard done. By the North West the northeast just to do really simple journey can take several hours is really very poor. The okay so a one counterargument maybe there is going to benefit some parts of the north but even in a place like Winston which will be directly affected. There are potential issues remain. This has been hugely controversial. Already along the route from London to the Midland's because of the impact on local residents but also the natural environment including by diversity these arguments being played out up north because the northern sections are still very much in on the kind of on the drawing board stay each. It hasn't quite as acute as it has been down in the south of England but of course there's ancient woodland that would be destroyed to make way freight chess has to habitats of rare butterflies and owls and bats could all risk. I would say that they're creating new life havens in that chiefs part of the reason they've already spent nine billion pounds and ages to a lot of is gone on environmental mitigation so they have done enormous amount of work to work out you know where will the bat sleep. If if the they usually perch has been bulldozed. I don't know the other side of the railway track but of course you know these. These are very important issues that really matter to people on the other hand building a brand new railway line should be got from an environmental point of view. Because you get people out to their cars which means that's Appalachian should go down and it should go some way to reaching the case goal of becoming carbon neutral on the other hand people would say that there's so much concrete that's going to be used in this construction project that it would take decades before the project would have paid for itself in carbon terms so not sounds really complicated. And then there's the other issue which is people's homes the Along the road. And we'll get seriously factored. Yeah it's often dismissed as Nimby ISM but I you know I would be upset if I received a less insane. So Oh Helen. We're going to bulldoze your house to make way for this railway line or if it was kind of at the bottom of my street and it would keep me awake at night. You know that one of the most famous examples in eight just two terms is a brand new housing estates in Mexico which Doncaster in South Yorkshire. On a couple of years ago like the builders builders would just putting the finishing touches to this housing estate the Shimmer state and then he would just moving in and then they got a letter saying sorry H has is going to come through this estate. We're going to bulldoze is locked pizza and sue. Douglas retired three years ago but being forced to move restricted angry. Upset Way. We've been treated by. Hey chess to undergo it just compounds the idea that we are. We don't come S- people anymore. We just bricks and mortar. We don't have live. Don't have rights you know. I think it's very very very painful. For people and there's been lots of arguments over whether h has has to is paying a fair rate when they've been compulsorily purchasing these homes and it's also the question of blight you know your house might not be directly in the path of of the train but maybe your house is next door to it. Will you be able to sell your house in the future. Okay so those arguments are ones that have already played out as you say across the South South and will affect the north but more specifically thinking about transport in the north our arguments against spending so much money on. HSA Stay Yeah. There's plenty of arguments against HSA to people say. Spend the money on the form of transport. Most people actually use. In the north of England you spend imposes far more people to work on by boss in the north of England and train. If you want to be a bit more ECO friendly people talk about you know setting up massive Electric car charging networks. Probably the most popular one is to build. Something called northern powerhouse rail northern powerhouse rail is a program to deliver transformational rail network for the north of England so sometimes confusing. It's got lots of names for a while it was called. HFS three and then it was called Cross rail for the ooh But George Osborne I think got his way in the end and it was called northern powerhouse. Rail so what this is is it's a new east-west West railway line that would go from Liverpool in the West right across to hull and includes lodge new sections of track and it also pay back some bits of the ATS to line and it should drastically reduce the journey times between northern cities in one crazy. Statistic is the at the moment it's quick. It's get the train trained from London to Paris is to get the train from Liverpool to whole off. We're currently making the case for Investment and working with the government. We're looking at how best to deliver this transformational network for the north. I mean no you've been talking about linking London to the north but from the sounds of the people you've been speaking intake including on the platform in Winsford. What people really want to do is link east to West? So if you really want to help. The North shouldn't northern powerhouse rail actually be the priority. Shouldn't they at least do that first. And that's exactly what quite a lot of people have been saying including some of the new Tory story. MP's who broke through in the so called red wool seats. Dante Carter. And I'm the member of parliament for Warrington South and we're standing on the bridge which crosses assists the bridgewater canal. Now I'm calling ministers to review the plans for ages two and to put more focus more emphasis on improving rail connectivity here here in the northwest of England by investing in the second phase of northern powerhouse around two which links Liverpool to Manchester. When you start to look into it if you talk to as I did the had a meeting with the guy who is in charge of northern powerhouse rail and they have been working on it for several years now the plans he just says listen? We have designed northern powerhouse rail to work in tandem with ages to know powerhouse rail uses eighty kilometers of track H to track including a really expensive tunnel for monster apple two months to piccadilly. And it's designed to work together like hunting glove. I was talking to Steve Rather than the mayor with with Loophole City region. Doubts about whether we'll ever see if you get them both together then I'm politically Suppose Liverpool doesn't even get a proper h us to stop but he's kind of in favor of HFS to because he says that without northern powerhouse real doesn't work it's cold old classic possibility might lousy by Classic compressibility yet sooner the weights all trains. Then yeah I said to him push comes to a show of which one would you rather have powerhouse rail or to absolutely i. I think it's I think generally on the question the not on the cell phone he said. Why do people keep on asking us to make this decision? They always do this to northern leaders. Does London never has to make this decision. London leaders and never told to choose between a third runway or cross rail or improvements to the docks or the Thames barrier or whatever Ebi and he says therefore it's not fair to make the north choose one or the other especially with this backdrop of such fast under investment in northern transport infrastructure compared to that in London in the southeast. If I said I've got some reservations but if it goes ahead than I think elliptical sixty have to be a little bit. He'll sometimes given that Isis. I represent one point six million people who have been left behind then unfertile. It could be an and that kind of brings us to the crux of the problem. Doesn't it I mean the mayor of liberal in favor of HFS to you. Put as more broadly for straighted by how the economy has so long focused on London. which brings us to the politics you? You mentioned some if Boris Johnson's MP's being not that supportive of HFS. To and yet others are arguing but he wants to push ahead with it because he thinks it's a way that he can keep those votes from across the north. Yeah I mean he wants to have something to show for all his promises in five years time when he goes to the polls again and we know that he really likes big infrastructure projects. Some of them have been more successful. That's win now. Here we are in the middle of London. This is talk the Queen and this before this is the rooftop garden that they've built up here completely. Wild I'm surrounded by vegetables and plants and bees and the sound of birds twitching and beyond that the city's a concrete. The hard business of a city walk. Doc It's fantastic. It's this juxtaposition of something. Really Strange Gardens in strange places. That's paradise for me. He wants to build this garden rich across the Thames. Joanna Lumley seventeen years. I've been working on and dreaming of a bridge. Would for cross cross London. INCOMPLETE SILENCE A bridge with a garden on a pedestrian bridge with a garden. It was going to have flowers and trees and look very beautiful and but they managed to spend fifty three million pounds before anything was ever built. Now I hope my dream is becoming a reality. The planning work has already begun. A two hundred million pound plan to build a bridge covered with trees of the river. Thames in London has officially been abandoned more than forty million pounds worth of taxpayers. Money has already been spent on the project. What about Boris Island Bridge? That's GonNa link England on on funding Scotland to Ireland. Yeah he's a boy with a Lego is an idea of building stuff and I think he you know when he's been deciding in the past Kost coupla weeks whether he should give the green lights to H. He's probably thinking. Well if I say Yes to this you know what wh- what that photo opportunities will there be for me too stunned in high vis jacket and a hard hat and show that we're building for Britain and renewing Victorian architecture and and he'll be absolutely milking that over the next five years and you can see why he would because he'll he'll be able to point to a concrete investments which he would say is working to bring the country together gaffer after a period. Where we've been very much divided but this idea that the prime minister might be doing this for the politics of the optics of looking like he's doing something? For the north. The worrisome people given the ultimately it still twenty years away from actually getting to Leeds rhetoric around politicians trying to transform. The North isn't new. I mean you mentioned George Osborne's northern powerhouse. Is there a fear that even if both phases of HFS to our approved it might never get all the way up to the north is a very real risk so you know Peter. Mandelson had a letter in the times over the past week. He of course used to be the labor impede if a hotly pools we don't know the north of England fairly well and he said you know this is a trap. Because what's going to happen is they're going to spend so much money on London's Birmingham that the public appetite won't be there to spend any more money and then the easiest. Bits to counseling those northern legs. I would say that politically that would be very very difficult. Difficult for Boris Johnson. Too stunned up in parliament and say actually we just GONNA stop this super duper fast railway. We're just GONNA stop at Birmingham because then really. The benefits are for London not even blowing in that much he just makes it possible. Probably to commute every day from Birmingham to London and the meanwhile probably north of the must be rattling around on Pacer Trains Helen at the end of the day. It's clear from what you're telling doing me that there are concerns about H.. Two and the so much more to figure out around infrastructure in the north but there are clear benefits and the truth is we're not starting from scratch this is what's on the table right now. Ready to be approved or binned. What will the impact to be for the north? If H S two doesn't go ahead a spoken to really senior people he privately say we I mean we. We should have started at the north and gone down on rather than starts in inland You know maybe they thought of a different route but in the real dangerous London's already very good at ah agitating for better bigger things. Cultural one is already firstly delayed on the budget and it's not opened yet but lost. We would like to see cross rail to to be built and it's much easier to make the economic case for infrastructure in London because it's densely populated an already wealthy area therefore the returns that it generates a much higher than if you I didn't know build a new railway station and Bradford which is what would happen with northern powerhouse rail so there are lots of dangers for the off Off if the project where against grabs Helen. Thank you very much. ooh That was hell impaired the Guardians North of England editor do follow her reporting on h. s. two and her personal transport unspoilt ways both online and on twitter. Handle is at hell impaired coming up. What goes through your head when your loved one once insisted assisted that but Martin article but never returned to read it? You're not aligned with the Guardians Audio long reads podcast. You can listen to expert writing on a diverse range of issues whenever CC from immigration at each appeal. She was refused the right to stay in the country to call over this. He could not avoid riding murder UH on his list of options long form journalism without all the reading. Listen to the Guardians Audio Long. Reads wherever you get your podcasts. Now in two thousand Seventeen Jemima Dixon or Jay who suffered from a complex former multiple sclerosis died in an assisted death at the dignitaries clinic in Switzerland becoming one of hundreds of Britons who have chosen to end their life this way. A new episode of The Guardian Series The story explores the complex. Emotions felt by Jemima about her decision. I'm by those closest to her. Yeah we heard from his sister. Annabel Dickson about how she has grappled with Jemima's enormous decision. Jemima's really kind and loving woman and and I think probably because our parents also quite Nicole. She always felt the need to look after me whether it was. She felt like I was being bullied at school or whether it was about a boyfriend. Whatever whatever it was she was always somebody to be looking after me her teenage years she was quite rebellious? And a bit naughty. You've qualified consider donning a catsuit and heading into London to go and do a bit of raping twenties. She started developing her career in London and quite quickly progressed but when she got her me the the doctors basically said to her that she needed to go and take time out. Stop Kenley London go home. That was really the beginning of the sort of seventeen years of illness when she had a degenerative diseases which progress David Time to the point where she ended up that's bound wheelchair-bound with fulltime Levin. Care she was in the loss of pain. Every day she'd been paying and three time that her illnesses degenerated ended up taking. I mean fifty plus pills a day and she was really terrified of dying without control she was fifth live stuff happening in handing a really horrible death where she felt that the policy of care services might not have supported her to relieve the pain that she would have been in on so she was very fearful of that kind of death. DIGITIZE FA- Jay was an opportunity for her to control her end of life in a way that she wanted to the time that she wants to do it once she fixed a date with dignity pass it was the mice extraordinary thing because my mom and I at that point were deeply grieving with jobs dilara which is an odd thing to happen but also J. was just so happy I hadn't seen her that content and for many many years facts issue was joyous. It was just the weirdest thing. She was a bit scared of telling people because she didn't want anything to get in the way of having a Guy Tickner Tass but she did. It's a point nearer to you had end date and Jemima through that time was mostly really really happy. Lots of people came to see her so she had the chance. Inched say goodbye to people and they had the opportunity to say that they love to and share stories and experiences. That may tied. We did have a couple of evenings where we were up really late into the night we would really lucky. The weather was amazing. In Wales and say Jay who would normally be tucked up in bed. It by nine o'clock was up outside in her wheelchair. sloshing back the booze. And if I'm honest cheated start smoking again. In her latter moments events so she was faking it and boozing and really loving it we just did a lot of laughing at that point Yeah it was it was. It was some fun sometimes mixed in with the grieving tied the fifth of July and she was quite acclaim Dying was legal in the UK. She was really fearful of not being able to get Switzerland and make the journey and so she he ended up going why earlier than she would have not truly done if she was able to do it in the UK. Either handle in a secure environment. which I mean find Partly of say why I have been doing some campaigning to change the law in the UK. I find it hard to kind of look at the facts. Doc Sheffield Carlos and our government stolen years of her life and I in what you do with us. We can't really do anything. People are wary of assisted dying. I do understand it often. It's the people to campaign for disability charities that all quite concerned about changes to their sister dine law and I think that's because they save fundable people who could be taken advantage of Nice Osa scenarios may be forced into having an early tack five people wanting to get inhabitants from that person. Listen but I do believe it's possible to put the right processes and procedures in place to prohibit that being any problems with that many countries across swelled whatever assisted diagnose implies the knife proven through review of those processes. They all successfully running without any issues shoes for people with disabilities or anyone with people one passing guys to take no tass pass every week from the UK and on those stats. It feels to me. Like we're outsourcing desk to Europe and those are the lucky people that can afford it costs. Jay Maybe twelve grounds somewhere around that sorta amount of money and not everybody can afford outside. It's sort of putting a massive wedge between people that can afford them people that can't afford the end of life that they want and that just can't be right it just can't be. I'm really hopeful that the law will change. But you know unfortunately eh doesn't bring Jemima bag for me and without it's what she wanted something that was right for me. That was unable Dixon. Thanks so much to her for talking to us and do listen to the amazing episode of the story. Jemima who owns our life on the website if you're affected by any of the issues raised in the UK. An Island Samaritans can be contacted on one six one two three or via email email at Joe at Samaritans dot org other international suicide helplines can be found at befriends dot org. That's it for today. My thanks to Helen Pad and Annabel Dickson. This episode was produced by Josh Kelly. And Courtney Yousef sound design was by Axel Kukuchi and Nicholas Alexander the executive producers on a cul Jackson and Phil may not. We'll be back tomorrow.

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Ozark Recap Season 3 Episode 5: It Came From Michaocan

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Ozark Recap Season 3 Episode 5: It Came From Michaocan

"Our reaction to ozark season three episode. Five Oh no you'll find out why on our discussion today in a world where your friends and co-workers understand your movie or TV obsession obsession where you just want someone anyone to share your binge watching it watching it and feder are here for you. Your weight is over. Stinger starts now now. Now I everyone I'm Shannon and I'm fair. Welcome to singer. Tv movie podcast where we are continuing our episode by episode coverage of ozark season. Three we are up to episode five but before we jump into that we want to first of all say hi Hi Shannon. Hi How are you? I'm okay I got out of the house a little bit today. Went for a walk me tales. Oh no I didn't go for a walk. I went for Dr. Because you know it's not enough to just sit at home. I have to get my car and sit as well. I went to a drive to a walk. You know so I I got out. I didn't just walk down my street. Yeah I went to a park nearby and it was so sad because all of the basketball courts and the playground equipment are all you know. Taped off with caution tape wrapped all around everything so nobody can play or be. There is your state on lockdown You know I don't really even understand. I mean I guess so. I know we can't travel you. Know there's a travel restriction for New Jersey and everything has to be closed unless you're in essential business so yeah so you know we're we're allowed to walk out of our house for now right but you're allowed to drive to a park and walk because I don't think after eight o'clock tonight. I don't think that in my state that will be allowed to do that. They want you to shelter in place or whatever they basically said. It's the same thing as it has been except instead of asking you to stay home. Were telling you to stay home Interest and you can be charged with a misdemeanor if you are not doing. Essential business outside of the home. I guess I'm going to keep watching TV. Yep Yeah but before we get in to today's episode. We want to share a little bit of our listener feedback. Because you guys have been great this season with mostly emailing. I don't think we've had many calls. Have we know we had one call but that was from last? That was from season to it. What's up guys what you don't want to talk? You want us to do the talking the whole time. But I just have to give a little shout out to both tyler and Jennifer. Even though we're on season or sorry after give us to both tyler and Jennifer because even though we're on episode five already we are still getting your feedback about that guitar simple enough so one so in case anybody missed it the Guitar Shannon and I were like I don't know I don't know what it's for is referring to the REO speedwagon connection. Which I thought was just like a weird humorous point I didn't realize. Reo speedwagon would play a role in this season. So good I am but right right. Yeah it's interesting with the symbols in the beginning. Because I still think a lot of people. I saw someone post in our Ozark Sturdy Laundry facebook group today that Oh did you guys know about the symbols? Like they're still. There are still people out there that aren't realizing in the beginning and the credits and they're different every episode. Yeah not not in the credits. But in the opening you see the Oh and then you have the crosshairs and the four symbols and those symbols refer to something in the episode but they also loosely spell out Z. A. R. K. So those closely and I'm I'm finding that some of the symbols are just kind of obvious since silly like guitar. You know I mean like you said. We both didn't really think. Reo speedwagon was significant. It was just a brief mention in that episode. Right right. Oh so you really have to hone in because it could be something that's significant later could be just for fun. That is for fun but you know we now know that. Reo speedwagon is ready. Willing and able to launder money if needed. That's right something. They made clear. Yup Yup. Well we also learned from Michael who sent in this comment that the fingerprint in episode three referred to the handprint that was left on the glass on the boat by Cosgrove. Juniors assistant whose name is Tommy by the way Who was interrogated at the end of the episode and we did kind of wonder I think you and I said maybe that's what it had to do with but we weren't really clear but was there a glass Ohio the glass on the door. Yeah Okay yes so all right when they filmed that scene. I thought it was very strange. Like I actually took note of his body position in that scene. Like the guys come down carrying a you know drinks or something and he goes. Oh Hey hold that door for me. And so Tommy. I guess you said that's his name You know basically places himself flat against the door. I took that to mean like he didn't want his face to be seen by the guy coming down the stairs but we didn't think about fingerprints on the door and of course the camera getting a clear shot of his face through the door. Yeah Yeah Okay. I'm buying that Michael Thank you. Yes thank you. Yes and if you want your feedback included in our next podcast. If there's something glaring that we have missed or something more subtle we wanna know so you can email your comments to Stinger podcast at G MAIL DOT COM. You can call us at three one five stink TV. That is three one five. Seven eight four six four eight and you can also connect with us on social media at. Stinger podcast twitter instagram and facebook. And what else do we have on facebook major? We also have to really really really awesome facebook groups Rela really The first one is just for ozark chatter. And what's good about ours is we have. 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Came from Michoacan or something like that. It's Mexican Michoacan. I think that's it. Which sounds kind of like the name of a monster movie. Oh this boiler okay. I'm not gonNA say anything else about it all right. Let's let's dive in. Let's dive in to the opening so this was not the past. Few openings have had like a random scene where we're like. How's this going to fit in and that's not really what we saw this time. No no we we kind of get right into Maya and she seems to be trying to convince the other agents that they need to work with Marty that he is more useful to them. And Trevor is not buying Trevor's just like you know I want this guy I want to nail him and that's it but the other woman who I feel like maybe it was their boss. She was open to the idea. At least that's what right. I think the the biggest takeaway from this scene is that Maya needs to win over Marty but Marty needs to win over Maya And she makes a comment. We don't know who came back from Mexico like what's what kind of Mardi are we gonNA get now? What happened to him down there? Hey can I just stop for a total random aside? I keep meaning to talk to you about this. This is not related to episode five guys. Forgive this interlude. What happened to Rachel and the Blue Cat Lodge? I don't remember Oh well. He gave her money and set her up in a Rehab in Florida And he told her go get clean. Do whatever you want I'm out of the blue and if you WANNA come back at any point it's yours so I kind of feel like it's just sitting there okay. Which is weird but that it fully address the Blue Cat because I remember. She went off on a bender and didn't didn't she and Marty sleep together. No they didn't no no 'cause I just. I re watched episode season two so she went off at Bender. She got an accident. Petty came and Mike Drowned. Her Yep Mike her wanted to user otherwise he threatened her and said you're going to go to prison forever for drugs. Whatever if you don't help me get Marty She was very hesitant. You know she didn't really want to hurt murdy and in the end. She ended up showing him that she had a Mike. Right and then I forget ultimately how she got out of that. Some kind of deal was made or something all right. Well we don't need to go off track. If you guys are totally on top of that I am sorry for taking you off on that side note but if you forgot what happened to Rachel you're welcome. Okay so Hardy Mardian Maya. That's what maybe because it was Mardian Rachel a lot. Now it's Mardian Maya and then we then we go to Wendy and Marty just laying in bed kind of having a quiet moment together. I didn't know what to make of that. I mean you see. There's very sad music and the house is in complete disarray. Nurse dirty dishes everywhere. And they're laying a bad Mardi kind of looks. I don't know relaxed happy. And he falls asleep and and Wendy looks very teary eyed. So they made up at this point. I mean it's quite an ordeal. I'm he thought he was going to die. She thought he was going to die. That does something to you. All right right right. Do you think they were trying to insinuate that? They slept together or is that just too far am I? Am I think that's I think they I think for them? Sex has nothing to do with their intimacy. So maybe maybe not. I don't think it would matter much either way honestly for that. All right well then. It's the next morning Wendy wakes up. And she kinda like sets up bad. I think she slept a little later than normal and everyone is up. The families having breakfast Marty had cleaned the whole house. He had made breakfast for everybody. And He's like ready to rock and the rest of the families like dude we'll take a breath right and Martin giving details to the kids about his kidnapping ordeal like well. Yeah I mean they. They had these stadium lights on me and they but they gave me rice and beans. And she's like we were just talking about this and it's very much business as usual. He's like Oh yeah. Right right see guys later bye. Yeah he sets a meeting with Ruth And he's ready to rock. Yeah so then. We see ruth band shows up. She's just leaving to go to her. Meeting with Marty and Ben comes up in the car and she says shoot and then we get another classic classic. Ruth wine I have it written down I wrote went down. I don't know if it's the same one. You WanNa hear my Ruth Line. Yeah I've only known you for five bucks in minutes. I was a criminal long before. Mardi bird showed up with a bag full of cartel cash. So spare me your fucking pity all right. That's a good one but there wasn't a try had written down and I don't have the accent quite as good as you. But she said look. I know I kissed you last night but I thought it was going to fucking die. That was my favorite quote. They're all good guys. We love our reclose anyway. She's brushing off. And I love what Ben says to her next. Did you okay sorry? I don't I just I just wrote Ben thinks she's spectacular and ruth. She wants to hear that but she isn't going to let her guard down that he's right right but she did you know she does a little bit. She gets in her car and she's Kinda like still trying to keep her distance and he says I think you deserve better. I think you're pretty spectacular now L. Yeah and she's like allies branch toast sticks but she took the Burrito so softening a teeny bit little bit little bit little bit so I had forgotten how much this show uses such a heavy blue filter. Oh yeah and it's so obvious in the next scene. So he's having a meeting with Helen and Wendy and then ruth comes in as well right and gives him a big hug and whatever yes and they keep talking about smirking and smurfs right right. I wasn't familiar with me. I looked it up and might classic dictionary definition in online gaming. A smurfs is an experienced player who uses a new account to deceive other players into thinking. He's a new. The purpose is to play against skilled opponents. Who will underestimate the SMURFS and the expected result? Is that the smurfs will dominate opponents. Humiliate them further as they've been now beaten by apparent new. I don't think that's exactly how it's being used here. But I just love the term and I wanted to give it some context. Okay okay. You're here we're here to educate Y'all about surfing. So Frank Juniors apparently loansharking which I I don't mean to sound lake the nice white lady that I am but that's pretty much like loaning people money right. That's what love parking is at very high rates right right and then like hey you go to me back and yes okay and Marty's like no. You need to shut that down. Yeah and he's he says who approved that like he didn't even realize this was happening so I think ruth understands that maybe nobody knows like not even Franks Dad Right. He's doing this right and she uses that kind of against him to right right so they need an alternative for the. How are they? GonNa lose money at the casino every day. And so wendy goes to everybody's favourite loser at first. I thought it was Frank Junior. So some of these actors look too similar in my book and then when she starts talking. I'm like Oh that's the real estate agent that you were talking about. Sam Yes sam. Yes and she convinces him like. Hey your life gotten pretty good since I came to town. And he's like yeah you're right and so he's committed to going in and losing money on a regular basis. Yes she wants him to extend credit Yes you people and again. This is exactly what he said in the van. Is this legal and Wendy. I don't have the exact line written down. But she was Kinda like well it's she. It's gone ethical. Yes right I love it. I love it. Okay Well Navarro Calls Wendy again. Yes Jesus. It's clearly a test and he says you asked me what's next and I thought for sure. He said Chiro and I was like what he said. He said Chato which is a Mexican cowboy and he wants a horse farm but he doesn't just want a horse farm. He wants a very specific horse farm in Kentucky and why that didn't raise a red flag for me than it should have but it didn't now me neither. Yep Exactly Yep I had no idea I just thought maybe this one he particularly liked for some reason and we are those gullible. People would be headed pretty quickly out and he's like so you're appointments this afternoon you better go get it for me and he is talking to her about. Mardi like Oh are you. You're not happy that he's home. Which is like Oh no no no no. And he said that You're very lucky he's just like me. He wants to win. And you can see in that moment that Wendy is starting to see him in a New Light. 'cause she doesn't know exactly what went on down there or exactly what Marty said right right. She's definitely thinking that over Louis. So then we see. Mardi with therapist. Our favorite therapist sue was her name and hysterical. Because he's like I remember exactly what he needed a wendy to do. He said he he wanted to hire someone any needed. He needed to her to help convince Wendy so I don't know who he's planning to hire. Who Planning to bring in okay. But he says you know. I'm going to give you three hundred dollars. Extra she's leaning in my direction. I'll give you eight hundred dollars if she commits in session and I thought that was the funniest thing. It was great and she said well. We don't normally talk about specific amounts and he's like it. Do you want it or not right right? Okay but one of my favorite ruth moments of this episode. Oh yes and this quote is going in the post higher percent all right so frank junior shows up and right away. I thought he is the billy of this show. Oh Yeah do you know what I mean by that right with the car from stranger things stranger things to he is. He's the billy of this show so she gives him a what four about loaning money to people and he doesn't like that but she's like it's coming from my boss and then she she turns to walk away and says now quit parking in the crippled spot. What you got a disability is just poor. Fook IN JUDGMENT. That was the that was fantastic. I mean when Julia Garner gets the script she she's got to be like okay. That's a good one right there. Yeah Yeah Yeah and I wonder how much she ad libs or puts her spin on it. And I'm curious I feel like her lines are probably pretty written for her. But I don't know I don't know it feels you might add a little something and I don't know I feel like when she does her parts. Her lines are so deliberately delivered do not I mean like yeah always knows exactly what she wants to say? Never see her stumbling over words at all. Yeah that's true that's true. So Mardi goes in. He's clearly not in a great mood. He's laying down the law with with Maya the FBI agent. And I'm thinking this is clearly part of his plan to turn her. I still don't know what that plan is but right. We don't know the plan and you see that little smirk on his face like he. He's not a lease on life right. Yes definitely he's got a plan so that was an interesting situation there and I feel like normally marty is like. How are we going to make this happen? I don't know what we're GONNA DO and again. He's being very ruth like he's very deliberate and we still don't know what his plan is even if he he's mentioned a couple of things and he's tried to act out some of the plants and it's not going exactly the way he thinks but he doesn't seem worried right out at all. Yeah so Wendy and Mardi decided to take a little road trip to the horse farm and right away. I'm thinking Oh my God. Please don't kill any horses so I'm thinking back to the Godfather and I'm thinking about like the horse head in bed and I don't want any horses killed and Wendy says I want to do the talking and he's like no I. I got this and close the deal. It was actually so super easy. Oh Yeah Marty was all sweet. He's like don't worry I want this to yes money around. Let's do it. Let's stay overnight at the guest. How yeah I'll go to Zeke's hearing with you on? I'm like what the Wendy seeing a whole new Marty and it's all an act. That's what I think. This is all an act for something that he wants Wendy to do which is tied back to the scene with the therapist. I don't I don't think so. Okay all right. I really don't think so. I really think Mardi just has new perspective. I don't know exactly what that perspective is but I think it's I think it's kind of a A new perspective so okay. Well I have to say. Are we onto the next scene with Aaron yes because I just want to say I was right. The guy in the boat. Yes you were right you were right was mafia the Mafia guy yes. He was the guy in the boat. clearly trying to get some information so they come up to the dock and Aaron and Charlotte. Joan are hanging out and they've got beer and you know Charlotte clearly doesn't want them there. Aaron is like just practically spreading her legs these guys so they're hanging out and Charlotte gets attacks from parents that they're not coming home so she plays it cool. 'cause obviously she doesn't want these guys hanging around very early and she says you know my parents are. GonNa be home soon. So you guys have to leave and Thomas well. Let me use your restroom. And I would have told them I'd be like you're a guy. Use a tree you know. I used the lake. Yeah that's what I would have said. But you know he goes up to the house and maybe he had to poop. Joanna maybe maybe maybe a beer does not to use them. Yeah so Joanna. Kinda wanders up there and finds Tommy coming out of his parents room and bathroom so you know Jona Charlotte are immediately like okay. What the hell and of course Erin has no clue what's happening. But they throw they throw Tommy out pretty quickly right. And He makes a comment about Helen Pierce and they get that look on their face. Like Oh shit. He knows who she is and and they don't want Erin to get like they feel like it will. They will be held personally responsible which wouldn't be their fault. If this douchebag says something but I think that they're very scared very worried because Helen was pretty threatening to Charlotte. Yes yeah hundred percent. Yes so Wendy and Martier having more of a heart to heart. I maybe this is back in Back they're staying in the cabin or whatever and Marty reveals. I spent a decade afraid of a guy and now I know what I'm up against. It wasn't what I expected and I didn't act the way I expected and so I think in his mind he built up this this monster which he is a monster in a way But for some reason Mardi no longer fierce him. Yeah Yeah I thought that was very insightful. Comment that Marty made. And it tells us a lot about where his head is right now right and he still thinks he can pull put Maya into his pocket and what we're seeing is risk averse. Marty is finally taking a risk and Wendy doesn't know what to do with it or I still think. It may all be grander plan. That he's just going to pretend to get my in his pocket. I'm I'm still. I don't think so this point I don't think so I think he's on the up and up but okay okay. So then we've got ruth waiting for a drop. Yes so is there was this Tommy. It was okay. That's what I thought. And he's the one that made a deal with the feds right. It is correct traps ruth in the back and then what happened right so I'm assuming at some point someone she's GonNa tell them already or tell someone the story but you know a couple of scenes later. She's just walking down the road and apparently had called bend to come pick her up. Saint I guess maybe they just wanted to scare. Maybe they're just fucking with her. I don't know I don't know but but I feel like they explain it because that annoyed the hell out of me I was like. Oh my God ruth like I'm so upset I know oh I was worried they were going to Raipur or or whatever and next thing I know other. She's just walking down the road so are they like. Oh Ha ha now. You have to walk an extra two. Maybe I mean I don't know is made no sense right right but she didn't answer. She didn't seem traumatized all because when ben picked her up we just she's GonNa yeah she laughing or whatever. Yeah Yeah Okay but Darlene of who have so much to talk about so so we're gonNA talk about V. Scene. But before we get there. Keep in mind when I made these notes. I didn't know about the scene. So Darlene is talking to little Zico and Hugh Monster. I could strangle you and for those of us that know Darlene. We're like no the. She means that she could. She could really do that. And why it comes in wearing a suit and she talks about his hair and she's like let me wash for you and I'm going. That is a super weird scene. So creepy yes so weird and it took an adult. He can wash his own hair. Yes and at this point I also start to wonder what happened to his friendship with Charlotte because they were good friends. That's true and they had 'em good point they haven't seen each other at all this season and they're still around and they're not just just not talking. That's a really good point. I didn't think about that. The kids have such small role this season. I mean I'm okay with it but I feel bad for them as actors. Snot as good well except for except for Charlie Slash Wyatt. Oh Yeah but we're GONNA get there Yeah yeah I I want to just bring up a very brief scene where Charlotte is talking to. Yeah Wendy and this was just great. You have the quote. Yes Charlotte says. It's just so sad. She's got no idea. How fucking scary. Her mom can be talking about Erin and look on his face like putting lipstick on like. Oh Yes yes she's terrible. I can't imagine a woman doing the horrible things that Helen does. Ooh That was really. Yeah good yeah. The writers of this are so good at just putting so much so much feeling and so many words into just a tiny seen. Yes yes so. We go to the courtroom which I guess in that part of the country. It just involves some folding chairs and a couple tables as courtroom scene. And I I have to say that's one thing that's been kind of annoyed me. The season is wendy sudden. Obsession with Zeke. I just I'm not I'm not buying it. I'm just not buying it but there in the courtroom and you know it's a it's a she said she said and then why it walks in. Could she not know that why it wouldn't turn on her or say something? And at that point I believe it or not I said good for Wyatt and Darlene because I thought Wendy pulling that shit was a total. Dick move I I'm with you there. You know I mean. I'M REALLY SCARED FOR BABIES. Zeke of course but I you know it's one of those weird things like you can be a psychopath and a good mother at the same time. I think that could be possible by can't speak from experience on that. I don't know you know like I just. I kind of think that as Mardi tells Wendy later she just needs to step away from this situation for now you know. Kinda give give it up. Yeah get Arlene. Have the baby what you know. I mean I hate to be like. Wow whatever happens happens to the baby. That's not what I mean right. You're right the obsession with the baby is just. She's got enough to deal with and I do think she's actually probably being a good mother to the baby. I guess I think she is too. Yeah I think she used to. Yeah she can care of the baby just fine. Yeah because think about it. She took excellent care of Jacob up until the very end but before that and she'll be wasn't rauff she was a doting wife she really was so yes Yeah just don't don't piss off right. So Wendy goes home and they go home. Mardi gets the beast slayer arcade game delivered. Yeah and Wendy's like what which I think is great. Why is that so weird to her that he wants to play a video game? I think it's awesome. Well it's fine but I just feel as it's out of place with everything that's going on in their lives like how now he has time to just play a video game. I mean I don't know I think that obviously well I don't have to say it because we all know that we talked about last time. The meaning of the game putting more quarters in more and more and more to keep the game going till he can get to the end and finally beat the game boy but I love how Charlotte's just casually drinking a glass of wine and I'm thinking I mean really why not not. I mean how old is Charlotte? Now she's got to be eighteen. I think she's sixteen. I feel like yeah because I feel like she was sixteen when this all started well when she was drinking a beer at dinner the other night Marty says. Did I blink and miss five years? So that's why I think she's sixteen. Wow I think they're like sixteen and fourteen or something like that okay. I don't know I could. She looks a lot older. She aged a lot. Yeah yes she does older yen. Wendy Wendy set up an appointment for I heard. Jim and I wasn't sure who that was at that point. Yeah me neither yes. She wanted to go to Kansas City and I had no idea why and then okay before we get into it. There is one other no. I had okay When Ben Picks Up Ruth and he's like you know I wanNA whereas this guy or we're going to him right now and ruth is like no. You're not you're not gonNA mess with Frank Junior Blah Blah Blah. I'm predicting there's a reason. They showed US Ben. Losing it at the school. I'm predicting Ben is going to unleash on that guy. I think you're right at some point. I think you're right. Which honestly is. Oh let's think about it. Let's think about it. They are going to set. Ben Up how can I? How can I say this Tommy's spilling it to the feds? Tommy needs to go. But Tommy can't but if they kill Tommy that'll piss off the mafia in less it becomes a thing of honor and they're gonNA put Ben to offense Hami. Get rid of him so he doesn't talk to the feds but it doesn't look like it was just murderer. It was that would be a great solution all right something like that. Okay now can we just talk about the get it out of the way so I could go take a shower watch? I'm sick to my stomach. Why Darlene Guy? That's what we're talking about okay. So he he goes in. She gives him a hug and she starts sniffing his hair and against talk me through your feelings. Talk me through what you were feeling so at that point. I'm like okay Darlene. You're creepy Wyatt. Come on the pull away. She's getting creepy but why was like yeah and he starts kissing her and then. I thought any second. Now he's going to be like no no no and then it just kept going. Oh I was trying to think about this. I'm guessing why it's probably about twenty or no probably like nineteen because he's just graduated high school right just graduated has darlene. He's gotta be like sixty or sixty eight. Not least I think she's probably late fifties early. She just she's weather looking so it's hard to say she's like super old but okay. Let's just roughly. There's a forty year age difference between them. I don't even. I don't even understand and I just kept thinking of is Charlie the actor that's horrible but like that's weird that's like kissing your grandmother. Yeah I mean Kudos Dude. I mean really. You took well for the show. But it's got to be weird for her to. Yeah yeah anyway okay. Let's just let's just move on it have I couldn't even I couldn't even watch. I shield my eyes and I kept peaking and I'm like it's not over yet it made me cringe for sure for sure. But didn't they have a sex scene between Jacob DARLENE IN LIKE SEASON ONE? I think but it wasn't even that long. It was just like them in bed. Her her on top of like did when they were finishing right. But my point there is they. Aren't it what it's not like? They were ever Carlin Anita Right No. She's she's a wild woman even though she here's a question I had do. You think why it's virgin. I kinda think you might be when Charlotte asks him in season. Two like huck all this time. He never tried to kiss me. You know and he was. I think he said something like I like older women much older. I don't know I think he just kind of said something like girls. Don't really think of me that way. I never have to be. It could be and sometimes we know with men their first they fall in love with them and I'm sure he's GonNa paint in his mind this picture of him having a happy family and a son and a Oh. Yuck Yuck all right so both Ben and Wendy are starting to see differences in Mardi but to me he just seems like a kinder Gentler Marty. And what's wrong with that? That's that's how I'm feeling will bend. Says that is not Mardi Bird? That guy's vibrating. Just like hyper. And that's how I feel he. He's on a mission. That's how I am right and then I wrote. Oh Charlotte has a bit of a power trip. I think I see Wendy and her and I can't remember what that scene was about. Oh Well Charlotte goes to see Tommy and we are going to talk about this in our dirty dilemma today. Oh right she goes to him and tells him to stay away from Aaron and he's like do you know my dad is and she's like do you know who my dad is. No He's not the son he's not a son. Oh He's like. Do you know who I work for. Yes right yes and you know she said this was on Marty's orders now. She's playing a very dangerous game right there and she walked away very satisfied with herself thinking she. Oh yeah everything. Did you see the smile on her face when she walked away? Trip just family. Well we find out about. Wendy's meeting Kansas City and she's meeting if I got the name right. Jim Reynolds Thorpe. What a horrible name. Who has the right hand? Man of Wilkes Charles Wilkes Right. Wasn't that his name. Yup and she wants dirt on Maya. Jim says it's a fucking terrible idea But she's like okay. Well that needs like but I can do it and I'm thinking I would be a person that can just know how to get information people. How do you do that? Would you want to know I got it like you? Can? Here's my keyboard. I got it. Power comes a lot of danger now. So yeah she's looking for dirt on my end and they don't really find much well they do find out that they said she's a known crusader right. He said her dad went to prison for some kind of financial scamming. So she's taking it upon her. It's her life's work to take down. People like no father so wendy thinks well all right. This isn't GonNa Happen in Mardi is like I can use that rights go right. And they're reflecting going of what happened to him in Mexico and I came up with one word. I think MARDI got complete clarity when he was in Mexico. Okay I think he just has this vision of what he needs to do and he's just GonNa make it happen. He's not like I mean I don't know he's like no. This is my mission. This is my objective. I'm going to make it happen period right. But in the meantime they did show why Darlene again and and I just I feel so awkward now around Wyatt Darlene. But it's clear that this wasn't a hey. I don't know what happened but that can't happen again because they're like holding hands and kissing each other's hands and like you guys please stop. Yeah and they`re. They're planting the poppy fields again. And why it says he never tried heroin. And darlene. Says I won't have junkie in my bed right in miles like a cringed again. I know and then she makes a great quote. There's pain that uses you and there's pain that you use to Wyatt. Yeah so so Marty's back with my up and she says you should help people marty. It beats being abducted and she. She makes a couple of statements about like what she would rather be working on the people she would rather be going after an. It's clear that she doesn't want to be on this case which I think is something that Mardi will eventually use to his advantage. I mean she's got to be like what six or seven months pregnant. At least she wants to go home right. I don't get how he's GONNA I don't know it because no because he can't entrap her. It can't be that it's got to be something. He's going to have to appeal to her moral grounds again. This is why I think there's a deeper plan happening. That's it all just goes back to that so Wendy's back with What's her name again? Sue Sue the therapist. I'd good old gal and apparently sue it's GonNa play both sides man soo's making out. She is sh when but Wendy doesn't know that she's dirty and she's like do you is that something You know that you would be interested in entertaining and I think I would guess Wendy. I would be interested in taking more money from you. Yes we'll bend brings ruth her French toast sticks and he's kind of trying to flag down through one of the cameras in the casino durable. I just love ban. I hope he doesn't turn bad or die or something. It's not going to end well because the best ruth is a tormented ruth. I don't know I take care of them like sitting on a dock together like with kind of like a sunset type of thing. I saw a picture online. I I just want a happy ending but I don't think it's coming. No one's getting the ending on this show. Come on yeah. Yeah you're right so he he gets her to come down and gives her the French toast sticks and he's like dinner and a show and he brings her outside and they're sitting by a cosgrove. Juniors FANCY. What kind of car is it? Transient marrow yet. It's one of those. Yeah and there's a bunch of birds coming down on it and reflect. What is that and he psycho fifty pounds? A bird seed yeah. He dumped birdseed all over so the birds are just going to basically shit all over the car which is excellent. She loves it. That's like that is roots style right there. Exactly exactly so. I think he might have just want her heart. Yeah Deed Yeah and so then. Mardi trying to win over Maya. By giving her evidence on case he pulls up an old case. And he's like you know you could reopen this case. You do this this and this. Which was his plan. He mentioned that he's going to be his plan. And she's pretty much like No that's not how this works. You go to jail then you help me. You have to admit to this you go to jail you serve your time then you can me. You're not giving me anything now. And he's like well. I WANNA prove myself. That's a stupid position to take. He doesn't have to prove himself because he's already been offered the deal by her so I think it's a really stupid tactic. I don't know what he's after but I feel like everything he's doing is intentional. I do too. I definitely do. She's going to be more challenging than he thought unless he thought unless this is just a test and he's feeling her out yet unless there's another plan yeah so I don't know and then Oh Jeez. The horse farm right We see Helen there. And I'm like Holy Shit. Yeah the the car drives up and I actually was making a no and I saw the car which looked like Helen's car and I just saw the other. You know like the big guys come out and I was like wait who this in my husband was like Helen. What is how undoing? Farm Dan. You Helen. Yep Don't mess with horses. Animals are like my trigger so I was not happy with this episode but before we get go go back to the Horse Farm. We Have Maya and Marty meeting in a hotel room. Assuming it's her hotel room but it's also I don't know a place without cameras without microphones. Right yes right. What he was thinking yes and she says you know you need to admit that you were you were kidnapped. And he does doesn't he? Yes yes and he reveals a very important bit of information there. He said you saved my life. Oh right because she is the one responsible for flagging in freezing that Navarro account that allowed Mardi to prove himself to Navarro and he says no one else could have known how to do that. I know you did it so do you think she intentionally did that. That he okay. Yes one hundred percent okay. One hundred percent so it's practically like she's working with him. I mean she knows everything but in less he says it. There's nothing she can do but then he does say it. And then we don't know where the west of that conversation went so I think what's going to happen now that we're talking through? This is that he is going to convince Maya to seem like she's on board with the cartel but really they're both going to be working together to bring the cartel down but they're gonna be doing it from the inside right. That's what I think too. I said it I so I get credited. I said that language is not I did true. Whatever you guys who said I you tell us tell us I said it said Rakia right now. Okay anyway okay. So then worth horse farm and I'm really fucking pissed off about this scene. I'm so pissed off about this scene. Because we find out off a pissed off because their horses leave horses out of it kill somebody. Don't mess with a horse. So Varo we find out what. Kill the horse. No but Navarro run at the farm because that's where a rival drug lord. I think you caught the name of the drug Lord Castel Louganis. That guy has a stud and so he has the stud castrated so he can no longer whatever but I think it's because he got a bunch of cronies to come in and just basically chopped the balls off and Wendy is clearly taken aback by this Yup and Jan. She's naive. She's been so naive about this. And she says I WANNA Call Navarro. Because because Wendy's Helen's and Helen knows hey I'm just following orders. I have do what I'm told and you know. Wendy convinces Helen to give her phone. Call it just stopped because I think that's very interesting. I feel like Helen. Wants Wendy to either. Wake the fuck up or get in trouble or something. I think that she wants the. Helen needs a shift in the balance of power. Yep and Wendy is yelling at him saying I thought we were partners now. That was a stupid line. That was really dumb. Like how could you think? Do you think you are partners? And he says I own you you exist for me to use that scared me and then I wrote manner. Those are some big balls and at first I was like am I referring to Wendy in them. Like oh no. They're literally were big balls in the scene. They put them in a cooler. Yes we're going to send them. Oh Yes oh yes oh yes. And that's the end of it but but when he tried to call Mardian you notice. He's walking out of the hotel and he lets her call. Go to voicemail. I totally missed that. Oh okay he did so I still. I stick by my claim that Marty's got a bigger plan. All right well. Wendy's pissed and I think she knows now that Helen's not her friend was never really. You're not the really thought she would be. But we still don't know who. Helen was talking to in the last episode. Do you remember yet when she said I think you'd better get here? Did she say again Things are getting complicated Yes who was she talking? I don't know but it came from Michoacan what came from Mitchell. Walk on the horse the other drug lord. We don't know well no. I did a little research. And here's what I found Mitchell. Walk-on produces more avocados than any other state in Mexico which is the world's largest co which is the world's largest supplier of Avocados. And I can't really figure out how that plays into this episode. That's just your geography lesson for the day. Well maybe Michelle Malkin where Castella goodness from. That's what I was thinking. That's that's what I was thinking. I don't know but let's talk about the symbols so we had four symbols in the show at the beginning of the episode. We had the horse and I was really worried. The start of the episode because I read the Little Synopsis on Netflix. So I knew there was a horse farm involved a mainly showed the horse's head and so I was like Busan. God God they showed. What was the next one of borough a pigeon? Yeah a bird which his junior's car. Okay all right cigars. Yeah the next one. I think we're cigars which I can't place with that. I mean beat. Was that Wendy in the was she when she was meeting with Jim. Thorpe Thorp Thorp. Whatever his name was was that he had a cigar was at like a smoking. Like a Gentlemen's Club. It no I don't know I don't think so. You guys. Yeah we'd love to her. Yeah this might be another. Reo speedwagon moment 'cause we miss something and then Oh. I said Muffins on a plate now. They were cookies because sue when Mardi goes to talk to her and give her more money sue says. Would you like some cookies? And she offers him cookies therapist. Can I just say this? This should speak to something about me and my character when he said no he leaves. I'm like why would you not take a fresh baked cookie and same thing with ruth like he's got his breakfast Burrito and you're like no I mean why aren't people. This is why I'm fatter than they are on TV because they don't eat food. I always take the food. Oh God I would take the cookies any day and every day all right now. We're we're down to the dirty dilemma. Who's got the biggest moral dilemma this episode? And what would you do? I mean we've said it before. Ozark really is just one big moral dilemma really but we try and find one for one particular character and we decided to talk about Charlotte. Because we've been talking about Wendy Wendy Wendy Wendy Wendy and a little bit of Mardi and like I said the kids haven't had as much visibility this season and Charlotte had some good scenes in this episode and the question is should she really be taking it upon herself to try to dissuade Tommy. So Tommy is the guy that was Driving the boat that you know is trying to hook up with Aaron and then mention Oh Helen Pierces your mom and should Charlotte. Tell Helen about this relationship and risk her friendship with Aaron. What should she do right now? Charlotte's smart she realizes that Tommy recognize the name Helen and that he's obviously sniffing around and asking a lot of questions and she does. Tell Wendy. This which Wendy brushes off and that upset me Wendy should be smarter than that as far as whether she should risk errands friendship. Who gives a shit about irony idol? They're not that close friends. But I think that Charlotte is terrified of Helen. Well I think if she went to Helen and said here's what's happening then Helen would say will. Then it's your job to make sure she doesn't see him and she would totally put it back in Charlotte because Helen. We already know that. Aaron doesn't really like her mother and we know that Helen can't come out and say I don't want you seeing that boy anymore because that would make her run right to him. Yep so she's got to be doing the right thing. Good thought yeah and maybe that will actually come back and help her because Maybe Charlotte will win imports with Helen to say look. Here's what's happening and I saved your daughter from this douchebag. Yeah I'm actually hoping that's what happens. I didn't like Charlotte at all last season. I thought she was a whiny. Little Brash was made that very apparent but this year I mean granted. She does have a smaller role but this season. I'm liking her more. I feel like she's growing up. She is more mature and she's realizing how to you know. Put her head down and be part of the family. Nba team player. So I kinda hoping that she does work this out on her own and kind of. Save the day at somehow and you know kind of. I don't know step into the family business as bad as that sounds. I think they're already. They're they're all there in a way. Yeah all right guys. We had quite a few. I don't know this episode. So we really need your feedback. We need to hear what you got out of the episode. Maybe you had a different take or maybe we just miss stuff all together or you. Just you know you're like Gosh. 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Michael Pearson opens up on his mental health demons and how he tackled them head-on instead of hiding them away

No Really, I’m Fine

47:02 min | 1 year ago

Michael Pearson opens up on his mental health demons and how he tackled them head-on instead of hiding them away

"Hi. Everyone welcome to this week's episode of no really. I'm fine today. You are blessed because it's just me me and Michael. I'm we're here to have a chat to finally reveal about ourselves because I'm sure you've all been wanting to know our stories as as a series of gone on and so we're here today to tell you them and we're going to start with with Michael's fast. This one's quite special. Because michaels not really been in quite. He's not. He's not been vocal about. We've not been vocal before about about your experience. We have but not to the extent I feel like I'm always bagging on about mindful and so I feel like it would be really special for our listeners to sort of have a bit more of a connection rubles as hosts even though we always try Ryan make the podcast about guests. She'll be about buffy like we. We sort of a lot of talent. I think a lot of guests in that we've had on of said you know. They all said the same thing. Sharing story is been a massive part of their journey. And it's been some fingle that they've found found really therapeutic and a lot of guesses that Oh you know I have on the week and she when when we finished the recording the interview view saying Oh you know if you talk about your story and stuff like that and it's not really. She's no you have to you have to do it. It's really important for us. And I say like I definitely definitely couldn't have done this a year ago but you know at the same time I think I'd want this discussion. What we have today to be erased radio positive one because those of a lot of mental? How stories are tinged with sadness the discussions we should be having no is around normalizing conversation and making really vivid the innocence? Actually people can take inspiration from and and there's a comedy for it in that I feel like there's not enough comedy and if anyone who's me I'm quite like offending character. I'm definitely a character. Like no no no Human Hewitt and you very theatrical of course giving you talk like an announced thing I think. That's a big thing that that the discussion we have you look at the podcast. Psych am You mean the big C.. which is how well you know? It's a it's a health focus around comfort. Speak on for the BBC and they really normalized the conversation around concern real and so of we're able to have a joke and have a laugh and we should do that. Same thing with our podcast. So it's it's quite hard if health because the topics can be really so of course they can be about depression and they can be about suicide and they can be about all of these over things by one thing that I've island this year is being open about your mental. Health is only a good thing you know like I when we start seeing this may lie last year I never thought I'd be so open about my mental health. You know I've never ever spoken about you know my struggles which have had since I was a teenager. You know. Yeah but we've got that but actually this is the first time I've actually seen you this year physically majority all the time for this physically. The first time I've seen you because you've been off you just been decorating your house of talks me about the house but yeah it's actually very -peutic way to deal with anxiety Zaidi. Because I was so focused on getting that wallpaper off. That didn't how big what else is in. Its in. I was moving in house moving in together with your boyfriend and big thing. That's a really nice DEP to. I've not killed him yet. So and actually. That's quite an interesting thing. Maybe we'll talk about it later. You know it's really nice. They're actually you've been able to sort of have a relationship while having some severe mental health conditions and and not really. I'm guessing that keeps you grounded. Someone to to really rely on as like something about me. I don't have that so I've had to serve like for me. I have always tried to make sure that I've had a really good network of friends around me because I've not had one person I could fall on. Actually I've felt more these. I've had that I can have multiple people people to for right. Now it's this person's Day to to to hear about my stresses and and give the other person day off which has been you know massive thing. Thanks for me but it was nice seeing you because you've yet but you don't WanNa talk about me today. It's about you this episode episode so but I feel like from from my point of view. An watching you sort of progress progress with the podcast in terms of being more openly mentioned before because I remember when we first started. And you're not. You saw a little bit of a God Open Thames of your own sort of mental illnesses and feelings about about the past. Even though you had briefly spoke to me about it I sense that you would definitely finally went ready at that stage and that that's completely fine and I. It was nice to see from my point view. The more we progress to the podcast them all the different people that we matt that you start to open up a bit more and that was really nice because it sort of like you mentioned before it sort of emphasized the feeling to me the more you talk about it with someone else the more you start to feel okay about what you're feeling as well and it's not to say that everyone should talk straightway because this clearly you weren't ready last year last night so I feel like it's nice the I've passed on my journey with you as well for you to open more. I think that's been really and I sing for us to have and you know part of this show as well because you know talking about mental health is an easy and you you know as a as I said just before we need to normalize this conversation so you know if me talking about you. Know the the depression and anxiety hands-on either. I went through as a teenager. And then when it resurfaced A year or two ago you know if that helps them on then you know. We're doing our job. I suppose so. Let's go into that then For our listeners. You know let's talk for big inning with South Michael. It's quoting found of music as we do of many guests so what was your first experience of anxiety. Depression this was my first experiences are exempt. Immersion came when I was about seventeen eighteen by think for me when I was younger. Maybe the the symptoms were there and I just love it and I think the thing about me was that my my mom. She is she works was she now runs company and she helps a range of different people. So you've got the elderly and then you have an also younger people that she she supports. You have mental health conditions who have severe disabilities learning difficulties People who are physically disabled and things like that so she has this really inspiring job freely where you know. She's she's always been caring for the people and she's very clever in some ways but not so clever another way I mean. She caught one though she con. She Com what she does. She can't work phone. She can't though this moment things where she saw like she facetime facetime her the other day and it was just just a picture of a Chin and she turned she taught. I drank her in the car. And she pressed okay on the on the hands free and then all I could see was her driving and I could share and she thought she was having a she I I was on face time with her and I usually just those anyway. She's she's very cover in the sense that If someone has a an issue disability see things like that that she will find a way to actually actively tacoma had on not just be like. Okay we're just going to live with this. We're just going to deal with this so you know if someone is as has a physical disability. It's not like that's not let that hinder you. Let's Go and if you have you have issues with walking. She will. She's worked. I know with people who have had needed to use high hydrotherapy pools in. She's very keen about getting them active. And and getting them going and things like that and so when I was younger I was diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and a mild form of dyspraxia which is a mild form of dyslexia. But it's all about numbers and things like that so and it's all about how coordination so I've really by coordination so I let she con catchable literally physically conquerable life people. I that's the source of anxiety Zay when people go catch they sort of like that you get that but for my mum about was that was saying okay right. You have attention deficit disorder which is a mouthful of ADHD was a different form. It's not adhd or it's ADA's. I literally struggle to string a sentence together so if this conversation is really destroyed it. That's literally my phone. That's my because when anxious that's what happens again and then it goes into that vicious circle of like my physical physical. No I don't I don't call it a disability but my physical learning difficulty and anxiety go into like this little circle where it's like a hydrogen collide this all the time so I get I so I literally lease material four anytime but not lose my trial of my mom. I'm told me that. She said t things with attention deficit soda. That's hard because it's really hard to concentrate so with my dyspraxia. It was an coordination she actually because quite musical family. My grew up so from when I was about ten to eighteen. TRYING TO COSCO singer Got Involved with a lot of things that way but she actually when I got got this diagnosed diagnosed with let me say die when I was diagnosed used with the economy the age but it was in year six. Can you have. I was junior ten eleven. You remember how you'll be just go. Yes Sakes six year. Seven round forget lightly anyway so she got me involved with drum lessons so I learned how to play the drums newhart. Hi to play well quite badly play the piano. And she's of enroll mean to sort of keep mcchord nation by playing the drums and massive E.. Help me and that was a big thing about my mom and that was something that still with me throughout my childhood really that if I want these difficulties and I was struggling with anxiety or you know I didn't know what were then you know when I was when when I eventually was diagnosed with anxiety and depression islet. She had no idea what it meant. And I I come from rope. Part of England Northumberland on the border with Scotland. You know there's the biggest is one of the biggest counties in the country but one of the least populated so you know it's it's a very very rural place and you know you go to the one. GP That your family have gone two years and they don't know about you know they don't have the training training or an issue. Especially you know nearly ten years ago when I was when I yeah ten ten years ago next year when I was diagnosed depression. They didn't know what that was in. I didn't know how to tackle what happened was Maya depression didn't didn't come. I don't think from anywhere particular a actually. Sorry it did. It didn't come from. Oh I've we've had a lot of people talk about. Oh I knew I was anxious from a young age and things like that. That wasn't me at all. I as I said I did classical singing up one of my other ways I used. My parents tried to combat my confidence issues around attention deficit disorder. Who is that? They're going to go on the stage so from the age of ten. Remember women. Dad's saying we down in a job after a holiday in the late district and saying we want you to enroll in the local youth theatre because we think my hope fuel confidence in my help you you know you just you just get out there and do more things they need. I had half decent singing voice so they enrolled me in singing lessons and that was a place where you could go and be a different person different cards or escape from feelings and things like that and you could go on the stage and be someone else and and you know. That was a real place of safe. That was a safe space for me going on the stage and performing and because you could leave the the anxiety in the wings and I have really vivid memories of just before going on the stage you have the wings of the side of the stage and use of we usually have three wings or four wings in around the sides and I remember just before going on I people always say to me. Oh jeannot get nervousness as are we say she's my if you ever notice the very first allying I'll ever say when I go on the stage because today as you know these in Liverpool at the Beautiful Royal Court theatre it You know it's a huge theater seats. Nearly one thousand five hundred people and I actually have no idea how I go and do and but they always say that when I go onto the stage stage I'm a I'm really anxious. The very first line I say is usually really bad because I really struggled to get that out. But then I've taught my brain to live with anxiety and embrace it and take that forward with me come with me on the stage that must be quite hard my mindset. Get you so I'm can do that but I suppose you've had time to Detroit and I think a big theme for me through my career with depression is is that I've I've had to find a way of really bringing with me owning a forgotten about important because I did and it didn't work so what happened was when I was seventeen I was in a constant and and it absolutely not me completely completely not to me back so if not so much the I was never diagnosed. I don't think you can be diagnosed knows but what happened was that the current happens and it was Thursday was really by I and then the Retired this awful instant and I had to go down to the police station on the evening and actually evening I was meant to be doing the dress rehearsal for a show that was going on the following week and I just just remember going then I was just from then on from that moment on I was like a shell of myself. Tell me about the car it and accident. Well Joe I mean I've I've probably isn't the important bit for me like you know it happened. You know a happened happened while I was at school. And you know the you know it became a thing where actually because it was quite quite as saying a small community on une- about what had happened and I couldn't go back to school and I decided I went into that school the same day after the instant and then it had with with the the head of Sixth Form Combat School. I just couldn't I just knew I just knew something wasn't right. I wasn't myself and I then and when the evening to go to I went not evening to go to the theater and my word and I just there was there. Was this picture. Someone took a rehearsal picture because it was the dress rehearsal and I just remember seeing this picture and I think I've deleted. I've talked to you about this pitcher before I think it's I think it's removed from social media now and there was this picture of me on the stage and I was white as she absolutely white and I. I don't think I think my face return to normal for a good few months and how I dealt with with incident was locking myself away. I I didn't eat. I lost loads. Wait there's a pitcher another picture as well because it's funny. Now you've result you. Resort back to pitches and there was a picture of me where I'm so of me and my friend for some reason site inside a car like a show caravan and we were just saw that and the picture of me and my friend and we were like doing like weeds childish thing and pretending to pose the caravan as you do and I just remember looking picture and I was like Jesus so so skinny. I absolute like absolute shadow. A didn't even look like myself at all and not happen for about three four months. Shut my friends out. Wouldn't speak to them. I like you you talk about having social media and phones now ten years ago that was of just rising and I remember. I just sort of left my phone on the bedside table in the house in my bedroom and I would just have friends messaging me going knowing you okay. How're you doing Blah Blah Blah and? I just ignored every single one of them right. Shut everybody out. Wouldn't I lost friends you. That was a maybe a testament of learning. Who Real friends were? Because the real friends persisted in the ones. That didn't care so much just wanted to find out the gossip so it didn't really speak to me again and that was probably a good test did not but then when in took me to the doctors 'cause because she knew I wasn't right and I was diagnosed with Anxiety and quite severe depression and they put me well. They didn't want the they were very keen. I because as I said it was the same. Don't own my life in new me. They were very keen not to put me on. Any medications didn't go medication at first. And then what I did was I had. I had therapy from then and because I was seventeen so this was. This was about April time in the incident. It's in happened in January so it took me four months to go and actually get help and then you know from a from a doctor or anything like that but what they did do is there was. There was a service. Where if you're under eighteen and you're depressed in eighty that you went to therapists and you so I went to a therapist I can't you know back then you didn't know it was like CB? Did you know that you didn't know that I didn't know these names. And and the thing was was was when I went to the the therapist and by to drive downtown Washington which is like a place so I lived in a place called Ache in Washington was about oftener drive. This is how rural things were so. I had to get back in the car of the physical society being back in a car again. Every every Thursday which is quite clear on your way to see if well exactly yeah and you know the we go and you know He. The Guy was great and but it was very. I'm I'm I don't have a lot of memory because I've tried. I've tried wrongly to show all of the hour and this was a big thing for me was that you know all the the free time I had therapy and you know he was great but what happened was the moment I tend to eighteen. That service stopped so service was service and it stops when the eighteen so I tend to get so I tend to eat in the August and he was like he literally had to go electorally. Close the book like that and just said I can't. I can't do this anymore. We're not you know I'm not paid to be anymore. Essentially yes and you know. It wasn't his phone. You know an books coincident Metha- actually decided that didn't WanNa go didn't want to go see and he didn't WanNa go. It didn't Wanna I like so of didn't go back to school and then I just thought school and actually a lot of people a lot of sources sources of anxiety from school at left so I have whereas able to solve do and finish my air my year at Uni and then what I did was did that and then I went to you nate and just parked everything assigned and just four new year. Niimi Hashtag like that you know moved moved I moved and this has been a massive theme to me. I moved to university shift feelings. Aside and floor I'll just pick them up later and I went to Union Hud. Best Time I'm mentally is probably one of the best places that have been when I was at Uni took place called university book him so big thing about me. Is that quite big personality s now yeah like things in small doses. So I like things to be small so when I went to school I went to like I went to a really small school. I went to you know we only had one. High School was about one thousand students in this only one high school and when I went to uni. I've thought very carefully about what I want. Go originally I was going to go and do musical theater. I will go into one of the best musical theater. Schools in the country called mountain view. And they I saw when I didn't enjoy at all and test test the waters out and it was just wasn't for me and decided that I wanted to go to place called went at this place called University of Buckingham because I had a friend. He went there and he was telling me about how their degrees or two years rather than three. This is not an advert for my university but the the thing was for me I didn't like this idea of chopping and changing between having a life at university than coming home in the summer and having to to to basically come back and live this life appear appear so when you did go home having to deal with this yet and I think that during that time is really put the brakes on those feelings and and I didn't realize a lot of things didn't realize it was. It wasn't till later that I realised hunt so the whole time I went to uni. Shift them on the bed. And then I came out. Uni was freelancing for Babe as a journalist in feed freelance jobs. Bits and bobs here and then hilariously the local editor for the local newspaper. Ed which was a newspaper grownup on an in of when I've been home I'd done little bits of work for the manatee freelanced for the company that owns them. Johnson price a COUPLA The Times down South and he said Oh Helen. He's one of our reporters is maternity. Would you like to come and cover maternity and I was like. Oh yeah like that. Steer you know it's a proper job for year and see how that goes so I went home and then I suppose that's when things trickled to stop dot Com back because I was returning to that place where there was a source of anxiety even though like you know the the calm and things like physical the physical things. Weren't there mentally the barriers. Still that so going back and and so how did you know. I had a really nice year but what happened was it was. I then started to not care about myself so like this is this is another thing. self-care is something that I just I probably still improperly. Don't embrace embraced more last year. But the the you know I didn't hear about myself physically and mentally and things start to go quite badly move to this for some stupid reason because the places so rural I moved to this cottage in the middle of nowhere. This is hilarious story. I'll tell it really quickly but I moved into this row of three inches in the middle of nowhere like literally like forests around June to fight. This and I was leaving moving to house in those getting set up and got I got a call from the got an email from the company saying that my Internet have been cancelled successfully. Thank you for your letter Mister Pearson Blah Blah Blah so wrong the Latin agent for the House. They spend about the best part of the day trying to figure out what happened. And then I got phone call from the landlords and they go. So you're never gonNA guess what happened was I. What and they they were like they basically said we've discovered that your name is Michael Pearson and you live in number two Hobo College and and we've discovered the Michael Jackson lives in number three judge in his son? Mike Piazza's number what message the Dow it literally is like Lychee turned out in these three colleges. In the World Michael Jackson high areas like Pearson row like obviously still speech lovely. But that was that was that was just a story basically. I moved to to these three colleges in the middle of nowhere on Pearson row in this little sort of ideal of like what I thought life would be like a nice eyesore of move myself here and I just hate it every second of it and I told myself I was enjoying myself and I wasn't so after I stayed on after Matana the cover and then it got to about March two thousand fifteen and I decided no eye contact us anymore. Ajab moved myself completely to Surrey and got a job working for in Trinity Mirror. which is all company was uncle reach so I got working for the company that I have not left since by moved around quite a bit and not was a big theme to me was moving and when I went sorry that was is probably even though it had this really time seventeen eighteen? The DOC is time for me was when I was living in Surrey and it's quite hard because because I've made some re. It's quite hard to say I've I've ever said that before it's quite hard. 'cause I know people who I worked with in Surrey and friends had in Serie D. Listens those podcasts. ASU got nothing to do with that. I just sort of went into the spiral of worst depression and it was a physically being being sort of having this slog of you know I had a job that I really enjoyed eyewitness freely. Great people by come home on. I lived in a five bed. How Shah paying seven hundred quid? A month to live in this. I lived in the basement room. So there's no light it was dammed. It smelled bad really all the battle. The time I dislike toy that was like on the other side and the stats and Denisa thing. It was just like these horrific setting and I just got depressed depressed. I stopped eating properly. I just all nodes away. I just put on wake kappa away like Confetti and yeah and I just thought that would be a way for me to cope with an I just I. If I'm if I'm really honest I don't think I've I I still don't think I've dealt with it properly and I still. I'm still recovering from in lots of different ways and I mean not to jump around a lot too not much but you know I thought that dealing with this how I deal with. This is what I'd move. Just keep moving and I move jobs a couple of times time and you know and then I was. I got a promotion and I was doing more work around the South East of England the company we wear canal. Send me round so of work in Kenton Essex in Cambridge near these big long haul drives long slugs around the Oar Philemon twenty I five and you know I hated every second of and it was nothing to do with my company it was just me and I just probably wasn't in the right place to to to talk about The into say I'm having these issues because I still that and we never talked about this and I do remember Christine Washy. We've had the PODCAST. Before is all colleague. I just remember him writing piece a good few years ago where he talked about being amount on the sports desk and talking about you know him talking about his mouth and it was probably me one of the first times this is before I lived in Liverpool. Oh for the first time ever seen anyone opened up because he was a big thing about his story was that he'd struggled with his his weight and he used and he he talked about you know being. I can't remember what his name was but I was a similar way. I think at my most depressed time I was about twenty two stone so I was in a really really place and people didn't realize it because you know on the outside it was like Michael piece he shows and sings and not you like people have known me as a person who caroused people to get when I was at uni. I went and sat a musical theater society. We performed huge shows that the university. I had never seen anything like that before. They've never done anything like that before. And we would just like yeah. Let's do it. Let's have like a great time and we pulled. It was a friend from university weekend tendency. She now works Nemo departments and she says you know we still use mocked him pictures from when you did that show because it was an example of a time when actually loads people from the university came together and actually did something and that was always something. That's always something that I that I e take pride in being. No no now I still do it. Now Directing two shows at the same time but idea 'cause I enjoy and it's an escape. It's something to cope with them. And so how. That's how I use my theater. You and I were both busy but it seems that you're always busy. Euro goes Rosenstone of You know you mentioned to me this week. You're singing funeral am so you're always keep yourself busy but he's think sometimes that's is your detriment because you don't deal with feelings you're right and I think that that is a way of that's a way of me. That's the way I I. I know busy people and people like to be busy to hide away things and say you know. Let's not do it but I think if you'd asked I mean the question if you'd asked me that question a year ago literally this time last year because it was interesting this time last year mean Christine. We're talking I mean Christine talking about Matt Hav podcast and see that's how you knew in K.. We're having a discussion about mental health. And that's how podcasts came together because we we were having this discussion and I knew I wanted to talk more about mental health. I think the big difference between here and now is realizing not realizing ising the actually that idea these things to keep myself busy to keep my anxiety at bay in. I suppose like there is a fear for me of not being busy. I don't know what to do for myself if I haven't got anything to you in a Saturday. Make myself busy. But that's maybe just mines. diety vitamin C is interesting. I don't DC. I would use that as a bad thing because I don't know because I used to be like until and I still do that now. And then it comes to the point where I ban out and I breakdown and then a half to realize I need to give myself through self code as about exactly Klay and it's given your if you give yourself time and you know I in the big. The big thing is having a awareness and like I really think that you know opening the doors to your mental health conditions and living with your health conditions. Real positive way is really the way I get myself through it. You know I sit and go. I'm I'm You know I you know if I tell people I work with on in in Houston based on the stage and I say oh you know I struggle rated funds I e the they sort of go oh right. I didn't know this. You know us you but if you allow it to be part of you that's a way of tackling it and that's why I've learned this year from doing this show and it's interesting because because I've been able to be more aware of that I've last year I went on a big sort of self Self not self help self so. PT's cleansing in myself off. And I saw all an awful word cleanse. I love a solid no like I went well. Yeah I'm definitely like that and I think what happened. Last year was a big yes. It was a huge for me because I was doing so I was thinking about my health more than office. Start Leasing Way. I got personal trainer in my in my opinion for me. I don't think I could lose that level of white again without the support. Aw Mentally and physically from a personal trainer. The personal trainer is not someone who is a good personal trainer was not someone who sits there and shouts at. You is someone that takes you on a journey with Thurman says actually right. You've got this issue with ING Pizza Nine to five morning noon and night you you know for you know. It's about managing my ends of him. Being someone who he was the the personal trainer hard clear. Don't see him anymore. I wish you could afford him. Still the big thing is that you know because I was in a place where I asked for Christmas present last year but because house I have that that was able to. I lost four stone and actually I've decided to do something from this podcast was. Was it someone we had on. WHO's doing the dump the scales campaign? Yes that's hope. I knew it was hoping that because we hope she's lovely anyway. The hopes drop the scales compares the scales the scale the scale trump acts much iside I adopted in December on. It's very weird because I've I knew I'd love way over Christmas and then I've I've been really good in January as everyone mm tries to be and I don't it so it's really really weird feeling of an and I actually really like not knowing in what way I am. I know that I can physically feel that. I've lost weight this month but that being ties the chain Ain of being on a scale thing has been really uplifting to actually go. No I don't I I'm not gonNA weigh myself I'm not GonNa you know I am happy. Biegel you know. I've I've got I've I've got. I've got a structure that works for me and then if people do want to be healthier in that way find some things that were so that like the thing is I mean. 'cause they're on gyms have all price rockets that have personal trainers in them. So I know that now even like pure gym the GM which he likes to of the cheaper ends of the skills they have personal trainers in there And I suppose it's about finding because that's another thing. I hate hate the gym but I found Jim. That really works me. It's a little bit more expensive a month but I've the the gym I go to they separate the the the vessel if the white section they live in their own corners. All the meat heads or whatever you call them they live in that section and then you can actually separate with a ladies Jim as well so is like they've they've found really Nice safe-space people to come in to come in which was key for me and I think that is the key for everyone. If working out doesn't whatever one does it and I think one thing about this podcast is that you can sometimes say things and not everyone will agree with you and they will tell you that which is fine and I get that because you know it's probably it's like we've had that all our lives is generally anyway. I think what we do here. Is You know in in these podcasts. Trying to find ways of people to to find something that works for them and you know like if being more open and being more accepting of your insecure ease your oh you're undesired either depression and things that you know Either find some weights view. I think if I as I've just said about fifty times now you know finding a way of giving your anxiety ear an ice warm hug. You know. That's that's something which gets me through a day and that's something love radio and he realized in the last few weeks months you know and it's only because what we've been doing doing reading. I would like to give you a goal. I feel like we should do this for each of you if you go next week. Yeah yeah so I feel like right. I want you to solve cove your fear of not being busy on a Saturday so feel that you should have one day and ah I know you do this. Because I've seen you take Tony Walks which I am very jealous of adult Turkey sausage attorney sausage. Is the the dog. The sausage dog he was owned by the lovely Joe Remain who works. He works with us in the and I really want to sausage dog so you can come with me on there. Yeah I suppose it'll have to make sure you do the goal. I would like you to spend the eight doing absolutely nothing and just looking after yourself and then I want you to tell me how you feel about it. I the idea is just. It's just the icon. Do I just I feel like I know I feel like I know when I need to do it to me saying you have to do an exciting exciting. I would like to to just do nothing on Monday. I feel like that's where my will right through and an unabashed judge way. I'll just feel I kind of need to do it just do you. Do you ever feel like you need to do something. Yeah I I've come through quiet loft a heavy periods of that. What you talk about next week but when I was in Lancaster old time whereas now I don't feel as guilty having lazy days? Nothing lasts for me. That's a big field of feeling guilt like not being productive with my time I feel very guilty for and still do now am. I'm to the point where I do myself out but at the same time do not command house. I so appreciate their self cat as more jealous. That's my next step. I need to buy a house this year that that was another thing. I'd maybe let's talk. Just a little bit briefly his about relationships as the like in my exotic journey and my mental health journey. I've never I've I've real fear of relationships and it may be different for me because obviously so obviously i. I am gay open about that. I'm happy to talk about that and I think there's a difference between heterosexual relationships and same sex relationships ships because there is still stigma around same sex relationships Bert Williams. But you know I think I think the lawyers will I'll be like I mean I just I mean I got. I should talk about this but like I sort of started seeing someone last month and I feel like that basically he or since. I've started seeing that person. I've tried to shoot them out and I just feel like is saying no because you'll you'll busy with other things and you shouldn't the busy with relationship so have you know. Maybe that maybe the reasons they are not. It's not a mental health and it's actually that person maybe might not be right for me but that's another lesson the I shouldn't be too poor guy theory. They being you shouldn't you shouldn't so if you shouldn't you know I UH-HUH I. I'm not ready there. I'm not and I feel like I've got to which is really think about you know maybe just a a brief question to you. Is that you because you've had that relationship happen. There's the royal the swimming you have with mark. Well I feel like though it's not all roses in smiles and stuff because Marcus comparable with me and you know the same time time though it took me a while to find mock here. We say who's the one make I've had a lot of abusive deflation ships in the past and emotionally on physically. I've been locked in hotel rooms. I've suffered from a lot with men and I feel like it's took me a while to get to the point where I've been comfortable with my man Larisa fake everyone's wants different and just because he perhaps see someone having a good time on social media with their boyfriend doesn't mean that it's I feel like I'm trying to say is I feel like people see the positive side relationships which is great at the same time. It's this the relationships that that's be worked on the the the the task for both each other and I feel like and just because you haven't met the one yet doesn't mean lots about thing and it was a big thing about social media as well you know. Big Difference between us is the E. which prepo people they know. It's new probably no I do. Do not flush the around fly around. Well do but I don't do but I don't I don't sort of. We take very different approaches to talk in about mouth on social media. You know and and that's something we've talked about a lot in our podcast and there's been a lot of tips and tricks that we've sort of taken in with us from other people this year. I know you've taken you know We had someone on who was talking about sort of create like a community for your facebook. Not Being for your you know your your instrument being a safe place to go and you know I just I just have found that I I feel like for me the safest places on my instagram and stuff like that. I find to be a safe space. You know like I don't you very open on talking on social media on twitter and I just maybe that's just the thing for me is while about could be subtly the right thing by do though you know and that's just in from that works for me and I I feel like sometimes I can share but too much for and that's just my way of venting if you liked like an like an online diary of because I find wants to write down that feelings of course up ahead Do you have sorry. Deviate you help people come to you and say thank you for sharing and I'd say when it's a I get it a lot less now. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I just feel like people more blow gems mental health post. What you say? It's time for now. I don't know I feel like I don't necessarily sounds really selfish but don't necessarily do all the time to help abyss. I so do it to help in attempts of your head and this is how I'm feeling I'm not necessarily looking for feedback on coachman you just need to tell someone say I think that's maybe some. I think that I need to figure out about my confidence in myself to be more open on but you have confidence in in search different way in an in such a way that I could never. What do I could never go up on stage? I'm physically date with my anxiety there and then in front of people I could never do and the reason why I knew that is. I tried to do that when I was in private from school. And I was always the the tree heap at the back because I was terrified. So anyway is two and one of the Christmas Carol Christmas late fee you to you know really embrace your anxiety. Inca right you little shit with me on this stage is really empowering and and you should give yourself more credit for that you know just because you not vocal on social media doesn't mean it's about a thing in the real world that's what bothers me not. Maybe it outside your. That's my goal for you know to come on come on there to come to rehearsals because one of them's in Chester. So we'll have to film film was going on a walk and then me on stage. Yeah got you on the story. How Stage God God this story? And that's more directing June twenty twenty pro for La starring Gemma Shallow. You would lose money if you've been affected by anything you've heard in today's episode. You can get the proper advice you need. We on experts but the Samaritans provide free confidential support for people experiencing feelings of distress or despair. You can phone them twenty four hours a day on one one. Six One T.. Three or visiting the Samaritans Dot Org dot UK. 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Trevor Paglen, Joe Mount and Clare Barlow

Monocle 24: The Monocle Weekly

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Trevor Paglen, Joe Mount and Clare Barlow

"Hello and welcome to the Mongol Weekly monocle twenty four with me rub it bounds and August didn't match Larry on today's show as the machines rise will be learning why they might not be the kindly unbiased biased overlords we all dreamed of as artist Trevor Paglia then we'll be discussing big made and lower level bands with metron frontman Joe and we'll be finding out how how one goes about creating a new permanent exhibition as we meet London's welcome collection curator Klebb auto plus monocle specious executive producer. Tom Edwards who presumably but he wrote this queue. We'll be looking ahead to next week's news. Enjoy some great music right here on the monocle weekly on Mojo twenty four lovely to share my Sunday lunchtime with you once again. Has this week been. It's been lovely. It'd been dry. I haven't been wet okay. I keep getting caught in the rain yeah. Even I've had taxis into the office every day. Have you yeah this is nice our executive producer. Thomas no about this crazy expense expense such as the color expense wearing a brand new pair of socks every day snitch stitches the threatening gusty match their other other than that. You've been fun. You've been on the morning shift bags on the is being cleaned. You looking cleanly wonderful. Maybe it's the low lighting in here. I think it is. It's very flattering okay. What about you. I've I've had an okay we we've kind of been doing magazine stuff but you and I have had some fun on trips gearing up to freeze. This coming week starts kind of tomorrow. Tuesday just up the road from Regent's. It's park swimming so gearing up for that Grayson. Perry had a tour of his new show. That's excellent and we went see Trevor Paddling together which will be appearing in this program but later on he's a great else's name. I think he is a great author. Great Living Altus I think he is yes. You'd think he do you expect someone like that. Who is great living artist and Mister. Peres well all looking for the prove. Love specifically asked to know okay. Let's get in the house hello. Everybody needs to look ahead to next week's news today. I've been tuning in already to your introductory. He's yeah they're entertaining. I can't wait to hear the rest of the show. Okay GEICO's. What about this bit of where we're going to start well? I thought you've already mentioned it and it. It's a weekend of cultural illumination in the capital not just with freeze of course which is but a stone throw away in various bits and pieces occurring on multiple twenty four hours wondering what sounds delicious a stone throw away and and that's not all there's culture assessments also in the form of the London Film Festival from the bear fi loving that I defy a whole bunch of of luminaries in town. I'm for that as well screenings and all the rest so if you are in London in the next seven days or fuel notes change your plans get here and feast on the cultural offerings offerings because it could be the last cultural wealth on display for some years you reckon everything's going to be held at. Dover potentially and I thought Calais beer being in all eight of forever. I I wanted to avoid the B Word Yeah but is Germane that tomorrow is still nominally one month until potentially brexit but let's not dwell on that anymore. There's enough interesting unpleasant and upbeat things happening. We can robustly analyze that on all all of our forthcoming programming this culture magazine. Yeah exactly like that so anyway. It's it's a real see-saw. You've got to kind of choose. One or the other of the is a factor Kinda. I've always chosen freeze done live radio from freezes part monocle rainforests et CETERA. You'd be on those shows have been found London. Film festivals seemed. It's kind of kind of choose something you make. Sophie's choice was the daughter I change. I think Sophie's choice was a worse choice. What did I say I mean. It's it's a false. Equivalent is probably the worst choice here next well. I've got a couple of comedy national days and International Lunacy for you. I'll just all just rattle through them. China's national Tuesday. You'll be marking that yes. Let's keep going Thursday National Poetry Day Rob. I'm sure you you you like me must have been compelled to learn to recite poetry. It's anything still rattling around in your brain bone nuggets of if of the the nation's favourite the nation's favourite supposedly always bits and bobs to that rattling around what about you don't shed Tacoma Pro Patria Gas Gas Gas gas quick boys. You see a fumbling war poem. I think my name is Rosie. Mandy as king of kings and now you only graduated from high school last year so they have this on the syllabus still or was it just I don't know playstation and fruit bandit one nugget man hands on misery to man it deepens like coastal shelf less skied guy last Thursday Friday World Smile Day in Davis celebrating early everyone smiling in the studio and I'm going to close. It's been a very quick true with Saturday to world something days both happening and I wonder whether there's a cross over here ven in diagram sausage and mash close. I mean not really close to radishes Marrow Day Vladimir Oregon undergone its World Teachers Day and World Zombie Day. Okay of course I've essentially in that demographic particularly on on your son's schooling not his ability to learn the scooting. He's received schooling is first class. I was going back to some of the teachers that I had yeah the early to mid eighties yeah and they they could have celebrated world teachers. An words missed. I definitely name and shame absolutely not stay with us for this. And what is it There's a there's a boots upon on the bus at highgate school. That is actually a houseman. That's more poetry for your excellent a sock prong well the house that what a week scintillating cultural offerings come in every Sunday. I did use to yeah well. What's so okay well. Thanks anyway for that you at home and listening to the medical weekly in a moment we'll be hearing from artist. Trevor Baghlan his extraordinary new installation at the Barbican opens this weekend as humanity Huddles ever-closer to oblivion or at least the collapse of civilization many have come to place their faith technology as a kind of panacea the benevolent blessings of artificial intelligence stay murmur a surely short alleviate the dreadful existential catastrophes the threaten our very existence of course anyone who so much glimpsed the news over the past half decade will be all too aware of the dark side of the ascendant high technocrats the Croats corporate responsibility personal privacy and even individual choice fast becoming relics of an innocent age and it's getting worse artists Paklin takes this is starting point the up for skated systems that stand poised to govern and surveillance as we crumble into our brave new world Organi went along to London's Barbican sent it to talk talking about his staggering new installation from apple to a nominee and he began by explaining the thinking behind the work so the piece is using using something called on the image database as it's mit material that strong from and what image net is is the most commonly used served data set to train artificial intelligence systems on on images right in other words. The most commonly used data set the two program machines to recognize different kinds of objects image net has about fourteen million images in there that are organized into about twenty thousand categories categories and the piece here it's called from apple to anomaly pictures and words is looking at that data set and looking at a couple of things. It's looking at what kind of world view is contained within in this data set what kinds of images are contained within this data set and what are the politics of that and by extension. What are the politics that any machine learning system. That's trained on this data set. We'll have so to create the installation I selected a number of categories from from that data set and put them together as almost a kind of montage that goes from right to left as you move through the curve here at at the Barbican in it starts with an apple and it starts with an apple to think about what what is the kind of most concrete noun down that you can imagine we would all look at a picture of an apple and we might all agree that this we all agree. This is a picture of an apple but as as you move through the installation in those concepts get more and more abstract me goes from apple to Apple Orchard Okay. That's maybe a little bit more abstract concept than apple and it moves from there to indifferent in different natural landscapes and as you move further and further to the left it starts to categorize people it ends with the concept of anomaly men which is in which people's pictures have been added to that category now anomaly is a very different kind of Noun than apple is a very relational relational now. It's a very abstract now and that's the point that that is trying to make your is starting to get a glimpse into the kind of worldview and classifications and really judgements that are built into image net and by extension machine learning systems in general but there's also a joke at the beginning which is at the same time that we're beginning to see pictures of apples. There's a photograph of Rene Magritte's painting called. This is not an apple which is a painting of an apple with the text. This is not an apple that painting has been classified by a machine learning system trained on image net and machine. Learning system is saying no. This is an apple so you're looking at that that from the outset for me that he's really sums up the whole installation which is about looking at images and asking questions is about who gets to decide what the meaning of an image is and what are the forms of politics and histories and biases that go into into any system of classification really till you have one access that goes from these very concrete concepts more more abstract concepts and along the way it's it's a little bit of an impressionistic story about extraction data what kind of world's worlds get created through technology industries and through the various more sociological and political things that go on one of the things that that that very opening image of agrees apple teaches us who shows us is that is far more literal will then maybe fiction than maybe some artwork or cinema would have us believe. I this kind of general idea of artificial intelligence as career to conscious and what we see here is that it's it's not true at all. What did you think of that sort of cultural idea dare of is. Is it something potentially quite damaging. Yeah one one of the jokes that we have in the studio. When we talk about a I we always we sometimes say artificial official intelligence otherwise known as Algebra. There's really that's what it is and I think you get a sense of that from the installation as well which is when in in particular with object recognition the isn't recognizing anything what it's doing is looking at formal similarities from different you know from one image image to another and then it's been taught by the people that are creating the data set that like this series of form relationships signifies apple this series of formal relationships signifies apple orchard or anomaly or you know. Anti Semite or whatever it is you know in terms of those categories are and I think that's one of the the things that I hope you get a sense of from looking at the installation is almost like this sludgy bedrock rock of crappy images questionable interpretations and volume appropriation and extraction that forms the bedrock of machine learning systems and so I hope that you as if you're get a glimpse into the ways ways in which a systems are everywhere infused with politics and bias and the preconceptions of the people who created those data sets and and do you find having made this art work in presenting this artwork that those preconceptions are sort of perfected as it were they are made more we'll prevalent by their increased usage an AI and algorithms the Mo- someone clicks on that image it is deemed to be successful in a vertical or or or fair appropriation of that search term that or that word. Is that what this bears out to you so I I think one of the things that I think a lot of bowed you know obviously coming from the perspective of somebody who makes images and traffics and images and works with them. I think a lot always about what kind of work mark do images do in a society right and we can think about historically questions about like what kinds of work do food representations of race to representation of women do how does that affect us as a society. How does how does the creation of images affect our understanding of what is normal or what is neutral or what is good or what have you and in the past. That's always been done kind of in public seemed him. Billboards have seen advertisements. You can understand what kind of work is going on there. Culturally what does it mean to take all of that work and put it into highly technical systems that don't show you what they're doing and yet are still doing work in the world and so I think about when you the hard code these kinds of bias and worldviews into technical systems. They're not gonNA stay there. They're going to reimpose those worldviews on the actual world in the places where they're deployed so I think those are some of the Dynamics Wanna think about and again like you see that at work right right in the beginning with the migrate image. This is an apple you see the imposition of that technical understanding of the world and I just wanted to ask on that. Is You mentioned if something were billboard in plain sight. There has to go through social stress tests for it to be okay in the world world. What are some of the imagery were saying here. I mean it's not know that this particular explicit but it is it's humanly skewed. Are you saying that th that AH online that those sort of social stress tests no longer apply of never applied. I mean that's my concern. That's my concern. Is that not only are those a- as you call them. These social stress not applied. They're not visible to the people that who they're being applied to and there's very few places places where we can look into you kind of crack open machine learning systems and see what's even in there. A lot of your work does with breath surveillance by the state and I wanted to ask you whether you think that it's in the application that ai I presents the greatest threat or at least the greatest challenge that needs to be intelligently and publicly engaged with and dealt with is that is that is that where is at its most insidious in its implications for surveillance you know I I think that when we're looking at planetary computing and mass mass data capture an interpretation it becomes harder and harder to make a distinction between states and companies obviously we have outfits like G. Z. H. Q. and A. NSA but we also have outfits of course like Amazon and Google which in some ways do very similar things that collected about you and try to sell you something or try. TRY TO so it's all data about you to other people different institutions. Obviously touch our lives in different ways we can think about something like facial recognition in terms of policing facing and what forms of discrimination or harm can create but we can also think about you data capture in in in insurance or credit contexts that also touches your life that also can modulate your defacto civil liberties right. The point that I'm trying to make is that these boundaries between state actors and corporate actors can get very blurry if we reframe the question as what are ways in which technical systems touch our everyday lives and modulate our access to various kinds of services or for our ability to do things to you as a person in the world. It's going to be unclear. I don't think you have to make a hierarchy of like oh you know in the policing context indexes bad in a corporate context. It's fine. They're all going to touch your license and substantively effect. You know what you're able to do. which is something that's already kind of going on in? China you you know the the week is have been subjected to an extraordinary apparatus surveillance but there's also this kind of citizenship rating. That's being brought in people have talked about a schism schism. That's poised to emerge between western and eastern artificial intelligence technologies and I wondered I know that you said this is the the largest data one of the largest image banks used to chain artificial intelligence technologies but I wanted while you're putting it together. I suppose it presents quite a Western set of I've biases are wonder what your reflections were on on. What it's kind of analog in the east would be or look like well. It's it's hard to know what's what's interesting about image net and and other training sets that are created in universities which is where imminent was created is that you can actually look at them. You know facebook book hasn't been much larger training sets then imagine that Google has much larger training set the midget but those are some of these companies most closely held secrets. We don't get to interact with them as we they are interacting with us but we don't see how they're made what what kinds of things there there what kind of values are built into them and so. I think imaging that is interesting because you can think about it as kind of proxy into what is going on in general in these kinds sub-systems when we're talking about the Chinese context it's it's different than than the West but it's more similar I think a lot of people would imagine and there might be a social credit score system that affects your ability to travel or go to universities or or what have you we have similar similar things in the West but they're just called credit agencies insurance companies and again different but more similar than I think a lot of us would imagine I wanted to ask you about a a couple of the specific terms. You've got up there which might seem to be the least troublesome. Ones one is Pentagon. One is spam spam. I'm a pitchers of tens of spam. Beat Products Ish one and the Pentagon images looked like a maths exam rather than pitches pitches of the most famous building built for surveillance or whatever in the world what about those I mean you must have had fun lang out those photographs on the wall but what are your reflections reflections on on those two terms well. I mean those two terms are part of a collection of things that I put in the installation. Shen where their concepts that have a huge amount of cultural associations with them so spam if I hear the word spam and every thing about internet internet spam and email and that kind of thing and you see that kind of liberalization of spam in the pictures of spam canisters but even when I see tons sends pictures of spam canisters I can't help but think about the Internet as being full of spam of a different sort of the Pentagon is like that as well did these are concepts that that have all kinds of associations right that that mean many many different things even when you're looking at pictures of them and that's something that I'm constantly instantly playing with and the installation and on the on the form that the installation takes you'd have looked at these images originally on his onscreen on figuring computer you to screen they're presented on photographic gloss paper and they're the size of the kind of photographs that we used to get back from our holiday snaps kind of thing I mean there's probably a practical reason for this but it is there. Is there sort of an autistic reason for the way that display this one so one. Oh with the data set here these these are typically images that are simply not looked at including by the people that are creating the data sets the massive sets and and I know this for a fact that the people created this data's is it did not look at all these images and did not even look at all the concepts that are included in in the data set and with this installation. I really wanted to insist on looking at images and wanted to a couple of things. One thing that I wanted to mirror in a way is the Labor that goes into the creation of these data sets. It's you know to create image net they scrape the Internet for tens of millions of images and then hired Amazon Turk workers to go and categorize everything anything by hand so I wanted somehow to reflect that dot substrate of Human Labor that goes into creating the basis for artificial intelligence and in in order to do that we individually printed all of the images that's thirty five thousand individual prints that are you know individually pinned to the wall and and the other reason for doing that was to create a texture to look at to create an object that would reward did you if you spent time actually looking at it and so those are some of the reasons for making making very crafted installation in that way a little bit and go back to your practice more generally a sentence that leaped out at me that I thought was a lovely way of describing what you do or what you're interested interested in. Is this idea of learning to see the historical moment that we're in. I'm what struck me about that was that that sounds like the job of journalists. You know that's kind. That's that's meant to be what journalism is about and we hear a lot about how it's declining for various reasons from you know the the lack of money to attack spy trump's administration but at the same time there are these emerging artists and artist groups. You're one of them. French AKAKA textural been other notable one who seemed to be stepping epping in to to kind of plug the gap and I wanted to ask what your reflections on that way if if if art which I feel like when things are political are an and typically associated with protest but if we're entering kind of new age of activism or I what I do is is quite different than than than than journalists journalism. Although I've worked with a lot of journalists in the past have learned a lot from working with them when I say I'm trying to learn how to see the historical moment and I mean that entirely literally. I really want to literally learn how to see what does a different thing than you know seeing as always storytelling rolling. It's always metaphorical. It's always infused with with meaning making and metaphor but in an installation like this I literally want to you see the stuff that machine learning systems are made out of and in order to that you crack them open and you look inside and that's what we're doing with this installation so it can tell a story and it can make a point. I can tell a story about politics and does tell a story about meaning making and control and self representation appropriation but I think it tells it in a very different way than somebody writing about it would tell that story and I think we are literally looking at something. We're here and I guess that that's quite different. I think than Norway a journalist would would approach this and just on your relationship with image net the we we played image net roulette and the office. We'll we'll scratch our heads with a place without definitions that definitions but they image net took down certain pitches as well as an categories. I think certain notifications did that whether it was an apology with the came of that but that that's I suppose speaks your works. potentcy I suppose is that that's obviously allied to this kind of thought how closely so imagine at Roulette is a part of this much larger body of work which is looking at training sets from from the visual perspective other predatory projects looking at training sets designed for recognizing emotions or a different new ones they use for facial recognition recognition and other ones that are China look at age and things like that in terms of people and I have different problems with all of them as you can imagine but image net roulette is this is a project. That's that's part of this overall project looking at at training sets and what it is is inside image net you have about twenty thousand the different categories and there's about two thousand eight hundred of them which are people right classifications of people and so what I did is took all of those images and classifications locations of people and built a machine learning model based on that so all it does is classified people according to categories and underlying images that are inside Image Image Net in upload a picture and it will tell you what image net basically thinks you look like and that project really was meant to provide a peek into again the the politics of classifying people and the forms really of of of racism and gender you know misogyny and cruelty that has historically gone hand in hand with the classifications. Sion's of people right and classifying people has always been about power. You know it's always been about trying to assert dominance of other people and the question I I was trying to ask without project is in what way are those bad histories recapitulated within machine learning systems and I was very happy happy to see that a lot of people that used it understood that that's what I was trying to get it with with the project now. I think that this is kind of thing is becoming something that people in computer science are starting to become aware of the ways in which machine learning systems can can be biased and you know have all sorts of bad politics embedded within them and I think that the people created image. It's net realized that and have started a project to quote. Unquote de bias it now. I'm not sure that that is achievable. We can talk about that. I wrote an article with Kate Crawford who has a collaborator of mine who runs the AI. I now institute in New York and as a distinguished professor at Nyu who studies the social implications of we wrote an article together looking at different training sets in the kinds of biases built into them and we make the argument that that there's no such thing as a neutral training set that every training set especially when involving human are going to have a worldview embedded within them and the best that you can do is to pick what kind of world view that you want but there's no neutral place. You can't pick a neutral one on so that's just the question. What kind of politics do you want embedded within that so we'll see we'll see how what the next revision of imaging at looks like but but my personal suspicion is that we're talking about problems that are fundamentally political fundamentally cultural in that if you approach them from a technical perspective you're using the wrong approach. Thanks to Paglia from apple to anomaly pictures and labels runs the Babacan Curve space until February twenty twenty so lots of times gone sit. You're listening to the MONOCLE weekly on Monaco twenty four It's time for some music we'd chat with Metron amies. Joy Mount coming up but first. Let's reflect on the positive power Savai'i. We've heard a lot about the negative I'm Rob Hutton who was a previous guest a few weeks ago on the Monaco Week. He wrote latest album in collaboration with an. Ai Program called spoon. Let's hear how it learned his Canaan live training. Uh that was Canaan live training bye. Holly Herndon and you're tuned into the monocle weekly right here on monocle twenty four rope. Are you metron made since the two thousand and six debut they've been turning out there thirty thumping electro pop to the bigger crowds festival headline staple that back this month with a new bank hang out metrology forever models. Tom Hall sat down with Frontman Joe Mount to learn more about the latest Sal p while still only consider themselves mid level. Jerry began by explaining whether bombastic title came from I was I think playing with the idea that it was quite a preposterous title title and the in the world of of of like music in the kind of within the in the world like mid level bans. Just I kind of self grand aggrandizing to that degree is quite I think kind of entertaining but it but it it was is something when when I was younger when I was getting into music I mean this idea that you could you could just be you could make music and then you could become the Beatles or queen or like have this you know have this this legacy that will last forever in inverted commerce kind of. I don't know so it's kind of fun idea. It sounds like there's a sort of slight level have playful self awareness there. I mean you mentioned mid level. Where would you put on the Toronto made me in the hierarchy also also because you guys you guys festival yeah up amid. Let me I was I was asking you talk nope. It's difficult. You know you go you big bands. You've got your. U2's and you got your the the killers and you've got your The Arctic monkeys is and then you go your tiny bath. Italian even is like my my dad's May from the pub Arca Okay and then you've got somewhere in the middle. You Got Metron me and I think I'd like to sing yeah. We're bigger. We're big enough. Amid level. You really are uh-huh is quite easy to feel that you to get taken down to go to so. I'm cautiously upper mid level. Do you think those sort of and we all know who they are. Those really as you mentioned the really massive massive bands jingling. It's basically about so of believing your own mess. Do you think the massive and just like I like basically method acting working twenty four seven. I think you know I think that happens but then I think they I think they become a bit complacent. but that's bound to happen as you get older but there is a really pleasing level of theatricality sometimes your band. I mean great outfit saying Yeah I wanted to ask how I might come into this later but I mean a lot of thought clearly goes into the presentation even when you play obviously down to the album the not working all that stuff how how conceptual g get with this like when you when you've got these outfits they I mean a lot of people will just see what you're wearing and be like oh that's like pleasing fun on an Colbert I mean is there is could the essays behind this. How does this guy decided in the end is kind of it's because of because of the way that it's it these which is the maternity was this thing which I saw doing making music and then it became the band it's not in the same way that a group like the the Jesus and Mary chain for example who who might all have the same influences will be the same scene. who have the same kind of fashion like thank? You know that that isn't something which is which all five of us have because of the way. It's kind of come together you. You have to find a a thing thing that works for everyone and and so that it's just the idea of of making something look like a unit and that's kind of what we've always tried to do then and then you kind of use people that you know connections that you have which you have. I guess just more kind of casual like fashion taste east reasons and then and then yet like it becomes the the outfit look. There's not there's not really essays this so let's talk about the new album specifically. What's the thinking behind that. Do you approach albums with a loose concert or do you just record experiment and then at the end you can see the shape of it kind of appearing how this one specifically come together when and where you kind of putting this together it was a long side making the Robin Record. I was involved involved in an I was. I was sort of beginning to put ideas together from I think and yeah you start you start with an idea but the idea is it's sort of just there for the sake of starting something else like it could be an you know it can it can literally be anything it's just has to be kind of some sort of input input to the machine and then and I think for this one I was. I was thinking about Baggy Manchester Music which is like a really preposterous though in a way on its own but then just by giving myself this place to begin it started me thinking about that that kind of music can and the other kinds of music around the same time which ones actually had a genuine like affinity with whatever and yeah that's that's kind of how how it began and in the end what came out of it was was quite different to what I tried to make in the first instance by the you know. That's the that's the quite magical thing about making records is that you do just like you have no real idea how it's GonNa end up in the quality the unites all of them are trying to meet records. Maybe not the very very early one because that was as he say like kind kind of slightly more bedroom based bit more. Maybe straight up kind of dancing away but like would you say the desire to create kind of a timeless pop sensibility. He is the thing that kind of links them. Yeah and I think the this slightly sad thing is the it's it's only now the that I realize it like a now as I realize what I've been doing and I think I've been for quite a long time. I was very fearful fearful of the idea that like the people like would thin cows of fraud or like discovery to be. Why did you think that Wha- ah because you get involved in music and you become you get involved in this industry where where you see how fickle everyone one is like everyone from his this doesn't sound fair really everyone from from kind of audiences to record labels to two people involved in record labels labels and all of the things all the kind of cogs in the machine fickle bad analogy but but you know basically the the you have to in order to to kind of come out the other end. You have to really think about what you're doing and so that's what I spent a longtime digging and now Oh Helen I'm out the other end of that's where I'm headed tours and you realize what you've been trying to do is make these pieces. This is of of work. Whatever the good enough to keep you in like a job in a way and I and I think probably the reason I've ah I've cared about it so much because I've cared about music so much an and these kind of particular classic records the because I really WanNa try and be that it's interesting that you're talking about records that I guess when you were growing up use of soars like an example of an S. so performing at their potential and of maximizing what pop music maker can be. What kind of were they that informed your sound? The records which were really big parts of my life were made where people who only had one or maybe two I would consider to be like a classic records different stages like when I was when I was like a young teenager it would be just the you know the Beatles like like all of it pretty much and then when I found mine kind of want to go into moon stuff it was like Navan or the first couple of weeks records those things which to me were just like became very like important things in my life and unlike read impressive Biz Amisi like introducing Dj Shadow was another one. That kind of thing like became really like wow that I'd love to do something like this and I'd love to do that would make make someone feel the same with ID listening to this and in terms of the sound like it's it's come about by accident but also me trying to replicate things things that I've heard and and think sound good and I remember Kinda funny example of when the first kind of single maternity English English uncle you could easily have me with without and I remember going to trash in London Club Arrow Kenzo club and him playing it through the system immediately he has this sounds really bad and I think what I what I see now is that it didn't sound bad. It sounded quite diff- for the time. Oh why isn't this doesn't like it doesn't sound different. What you're hearing that what was it was about the the room was about your mindset? What was it was so offending. I guess it was the same time as the French like justice or maybe. DFA records that kind of thing. I just didn't it didn't sound as professional which arguably to this day that's data data that unique sound eve briefly mentioned that you've been working with other musicians and it's been like three years since the last record. I mean what's been going on production wise and kind of opening the yeah the channels I did a lot on the run rubbing recco honey and that was something that took up a fair amount of my time of the last few years and then after that I did try with Jesse and that's kind of been in for the time being because then go into promote Chin but virology like I love doing the Ruben record. I really loved working with Jesse. Nothing will do some more stuff with her but you know it's it's kind of where I see is kind of where I see myself headed in a way to that kind of the place I mean it's interesting because I think I have one. contractually I've got like another record with record label and then you realize well. That's quite a neat neat. That's quite a neat place to finish well. You know like the stick like just kind of like literally like for the sake of neatness like that kind of wood would rather happen ice ribbon on it but then I think oh well. I know I think I still think there's still a more I do for myself. I think working with other people will become yeah much more of my life and Metron Emi. The band appears live originally was was just an imagined as a better kind of people come to be but not maybe always in the room. Is that how it works. How how does the southbound work. You know the live thing is such a huge of of of maturity and like the reason why people know about us that that that is is like a very. There's five of us now meals Michael Honor Bangor and we'll have as much to say about it I think is it's not as if there's no kind of control the irony have and yes like I you know there's a lot of people I think liked just because of that and I think that's fine. It's got to this place where like when now it exists in those two places and no one really has a problem with like it's not it's not as confusing as as people used to find it and what's next. I mean you're kind of in the beginning of this album psycho. I know and it's always a weird question to also. What's what's next but my point. Is Your Voice Interview Moving. I mean working. We've Robin stuff I mean do you have projects on the horizon which you're kind of looking out for when this wraps up in a few few months years down the day we did we did the session in France and we played a version of salted caramel ice cream which is a new song. We played it with a Marimba and it was a point during the session that we had like. I basically would seeing piano play. The Miramar freer provides Asian because it's something that we used to together. We didn't like we did this jazz course when we were younger we did some anyway. We're interim item Marimba behind free Improv and my I was like this is this has the makings of a really good records. I was thinking about it today and I. I think I might try and do that. Ah Metron amies Joe Mount Income Sation with with Monaco's. Tom Who am maturity. Forever is out now to buy onstream. Which do you prefer rob sadly up buying the space. I'm streamer may may two. You're listening to the Monaco Week. welcome collection occupies a unique position in the London museum landscape poised at the intersection between science medicine an art this month that opened a new permanent exhibition called being human in a wing designed in collaboration with Turner Prize Winning Architecture Collective Assemble the new show focuses this is on a range of themes from genetics to the environment with new work from artists including Inca shown Barra. I sat down with curator Claire Barlow to learn more about the particular challenges correcting a new and permanent exhibition. Welcome collection of our mission is to challenge how people think and feel about health and we will bring together the broadest possible range of voices to explore that and sometimes fat is an absolutely fascinating research project so that might be something like like friendship bench which is being completely redefining mental healthcare provision in Zimbabwe but sometimes that might be an extraordinary object it from an artist it makes you see something from a completely different perspective so it's been really exciting. Bring together a space where you could be stepping in front of a case and seeing for example a diy crispy kit kit that will claims to contain everything you need to edit your own. DNA or you could be stepping up to something. Nang and it's an extraordinary artwork or a sculpture in one case but smells of breast milk just such a range of experiences on offer. I was interested in this crispy kit because it seems read that you have as you say this kind of opportunity to ground consumer scientific products alongside aside more esoteric things I wondered about how those juxtaposition 's reflect on the current state of love medical science and about where we are now especially relative to a permanent exhibition is they're part of you that wonders if this will prove to be almost like a time capsule. I hope not I mean each section of the exhibition is organized around a question basically the crispy is an genetics section action and the question is how much do we really want to new or share about our genetic identity and and I think that although objects that we might be looking at to explore VAT will develop in time. The questions won't go away. Something like the crispy kit really unlocks a question around. How do we feel about these technologies now. Moving beyond the laboratory they're coming coming out of the aegis of ethics committees and they're just commercially available. What are we excited by that way excited by these opportunities or are we frightened by that. Do we have concerns about how that might be used and that's in the case of mini-van. DNA sequence which is a sequence which is actually smaller than an iphone SA- First I Osiris Portable DNA sequencer and that is also the first used in an ats hospitals and I think that these kinds of jokes positions that both technologies Ricci's that have liberated from laboratory but what they carry very different messages about the potential opportunities that that my unlock and so for me in terms of like the ten year old beyond that duration of a gallery I think it was finding these objects that encourage us to think to reflect John where we are where we'd like to be where we might hope to be and where we could end up in future It's interesting that it's not just scientific tiffin ethical questions that you're reflecting on. I know that is what from activists in the exhibition as well which kind of reflects on the contemporary issues of a steady in a way. I do wonder about what that's GonNa. Say as you say a decade down the line. It's really interesting actually with that work. Austerity cuts which ages an audio piece. I was sort of thinking about this and I thought well actually if things have improved for disabled people. That's wonderful. It's work feels like an artifact of history that is wonderful. If on the other hand the situation has got worse for disabled people then work like that will continue to have bite. I think that what these works do encourage you to really reflect on the world wealth from very different perspectives to really enter into these perspectives and really reflect on what is perspectives come from and the impact they have on people what for me is really exciting about having all of these different objects some of which are from very opposing perspectives what they bring together into the space is a sense of of encountering each individual offensively and being able to engage with our authentic voice and I think that that is a gallery gallery like this offers to visitors the opportunity to really be reflecting on your own reactions own position in the world but also to be engaging other people's perspectives and other people's positions in the world. Let's talk about this space because I know that it was you worked with assemble the Turner Prize winning architecture and art collective. What was that light. What what kind of brief did you offer them. And what's the difference when you're building a new gallery between working with traditional architecture practice and one that maybe a bit more of a background bit firmer roots in the arts. Well I mean this has been an extraordinary collaborative process. One of the things that was very important to us us was fit. The space reflected you know absolutely had a really beautiful take on inclusive design so that the space would enable the widest possible range of visitors to access it and enjoy it an- assemble responded so beautifully to that brief does natural materials everywhere where in the space the walls sort of like stained large paneling really really beautiful but there's also all sorts of hidden features which would be helpful fool to you if you have a particular impairment so for example the basis of the plants black which provides a really clear visual contrast to the floor. It looks beautiful beautiful. If you don't need it you wouldn't even notice but this could be seen as a feature of inclusive design but it also serves a purpose listen to space and it's been wonderful working with both assemble and Calemburg white to the graphic designers for the space on looking at how to incorporate some of these he's ideas Kellenberger and white. They've produced these beautiful metal captions and one of the reasons. Why metal is that. We've been able to have Braille embedded in them in really durable format fool. Matt said it's just lovely moments in the design. I wondered about the pressure of curate a permanent exhibition you know does it does each object suddenly come with that much more debate around its inclusion. Does it become a more vital question is more deliberation. When you're picking what you're going to put in. I'd like to fake but we were always deliberating. I can see why you're coming from. I think what was really exciting about this project was was being given such an open brief from welcome collection the in the central mission to challenge how we think and feel about how to include a deeper engagement with science and scientists but also a deeper engagement with the lived experience of health and from that came these incredible questions we were able able to sort of like think through how to structure story around questions around difference around you know why is it that when we why why do we sometimes act as if there's such a thing as normal if you gather people in a room and you say to them who here is the absolute embodiment of normal very few people are going to put up hands but we still act as if this is one of those standards unlike from that sort of thinking and from you know with Reference Surfing model of disability and thinking free like these big issues but we're going to endure over the ten years of gallery actually was surprisingly unle natural objects flow from this surprisingly naturally and in the balance of worked so each section has some things for for more activists perspective some things from a moral scientific perspective and some things which capture particular voices or particular perspectives and sometimes they said the same things but sometimes they are a bit mixed and in fact for me. It's been a real delight in putting gallery together. It's the sheer variety of what's on display. I genuinely think this is a space in which all of human emotion is on display. Does these moments are delight this. This works to make you think the these works that might make thank you question things that you have seemed and that for me makes very exciting. Space thanks to Claire and being human is open at Lurgan collection until the end of time it says a my key Augustine stop messing around with the monocle weekly that is it for five hundred and thirty four of the monocle weekly I produced today's show and our student manages were Max buyers and Steph Chung the local wiki. We'll be back same time same place next week canal. It's goodbye from me. Robert Bound for me Augusta Much Laurie goodbye goodbye.

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98 Controlling the Narrative with Helena Price Hambrecht, founder of Haus

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98 Controlling the Narrative with Helena Price Hambrecht, founder of Haus

"You're listening to well-made podcast from Lemme but the people and ideas behind your favorite online brands and your host Stephanie Ango Oh Helen Price Hamburg wait how am I supposed to say it again Helena and I was also at the same time kind of a groupie in the photo world because I was a hobby photographer and I loved photographers so I also knew that photographers being newsworthy as part of that constant research I noticed what I thought was an emerging market that probably nobody cared about except for me and that was very interesting to me because I'd been a hobby photographer since I was six and so it caught my eye naturally like whoa startups did a photo weird and you're hanging out on some couches I was trying to figure out when it was that I I found out about you as a human being because I know that people may shitty thing and Ab test it and like make beautiful later but then something was changing and things were getting prettier and like visual design seeming to have being in charge of getting press and users and positioning and messaging and that sort of thing wearing a lot of hats but as part of that career like you do a lot of research bad and I let my hosting expire because it was that bad do you have the archive somewhere I do I do and for the people listening we're going to meander into it's like a you know thirty percent of the guests and it's interesting to find out if people the listeners can detect that by I always find that they go didn't care about tech at all like tech was not a cool thing to focus on as a creative and it was still about like shooting models or like shooting your landscapes on instagram the market was tech it was silicon valley and it was around visual content so like prior to two thousand twelve my general observation of the industry was that design she I mean I've lived many lives okay like I had a wordpress blog in two thousand nine in North Carolina there are some people that have followed my writings since two thousand nine and it was in house at startups like I was my first part of my career was in PR and die eventually culminated in to being head of coms and partnerships for early startups just like and I said no we gotTA start recording about how people found out about you and and it was kind of like trying to understand what was going on in Silicon Valley and I was somehow but I think if you see the title of the episode just let it happen we'll get like be patient no so I think the the time when you first start hearing my name which is when a lot of people I start hearing my name was around two thousand twelve at that time I was working it's like you're just constantly monitoring the news you're monitoring consumer trends like you're always looking for context in which you can insert your clients because everything is about being timeline I also knew that I had a particular edge where I knew tech like I could speak it like the back of my hand I knew exactly why people would need photos in the first place I knew yeah so I ended up owning tech and a big part of that was like I was this person who really spoke think have heard of you from the techies project which was like huge and a few of my friends are in and it was like really cool to to see that and we can go into what that was but you were telling a story the seat at the table and then I started noticing photos and I was noticing it with the big companies like Google was starting to do campaigns and AIRBNB was starting to do photo campaigns it's like I'm going to quit my job and I'm GonNa go see if I can own that space and I I was living in New York at the time actually moved back to see wasn't even very important at that point it was all about like engineers MVP your product and look like shit but it doesn't matter you gotta be first market it's all about lean startup like launcher time and I got a couple of Intros to some photo gigs that were kind of like storytelling photo like I did it a day in the life project for design like the bigger questions to ask about what a campaign should be about what are you trying to say like what should the story be told like I knew all of that connective tissue and I just thought Diner Fund early products and they kind of went viral and within a couple of months I basically had a monopoly on the industry this was two thousand twelve in valley moved onto my friend's couch I like roughed it for a few months because I didn't save any money because I'm like I was super financially literate at that our language I loved tech I lived in breathes tack and I also had a way of creating photography that like was technically sound enough but I'm or whatever like whatever photographer said so I just had a hunch that I knew that I could make photos that were like good enough passable and I always get better so had like a storytelling component to it because of my calms background in that kind of became this defining style of from that point forward and from there ended up building telling and my ability to make technically sound photograph and I think we're at a point where like calms for Tech has like definitely had attorney pain and eventually made really Lynn Miami so there was like those kind of like big more problem solving storytelling campaigns and then you know my last year campaign and sent me into other photographers down to let go and interview real people in Miami about why transportation services would be like a incredibly positive changes much more valuable to your end user than just selling them a message right well let's explain techies for people who don't know so it was a series of inter to their society which was true I mean it would help drunk driving it made women feel safer like there are many reasons why competition against taxi should exist and it was a really awesome in different directions when it's in person I don't know yeah I like in person a lot more just because yeah you can go down Johnson it feels more natural and you know we're just reviews and photographs trying to increase representation I suppose of different diverse backgrounds people who are working in tech it I don't know I'm trying before I had the idea for house like facebook sent me around the world till interview fifteen different designers on what it's like to work at facebook or shop if I did the same thing like sent me all over Canada you know talk about their work life at chop if I like I got to do these really cool like strategic projects that really combined my background incomes story you know what I think maybe I could go on the space you know you have to be a little delusional to make it until a combat yeah and so you know to have a little bit of that delusion optimism really happened again like me monitoring the media space forever and seeing the same kind of stories being told over and over again and it was like the same kind of person rate it was like selling a product it can speak to something that's greater can provide some sort of editorial value for your audience or like you're seeing that more and more with director I think we'll edit out the first try and all about the process so you're here in person and my best at explaining what it is I like to hear how other people describe it so for me like I didn't really have a tagline in mind when I created techies it out of power and content that's not directly tied to marketing while they're still a lot of room for that the future is actually creating content that's in point in the past couple of years where I don't know public opinion seems to have shifted somewhat like if you if you're still doing what you were doing how would it be different now I don't know I mean in covered enough so I really wanted to create this long term project it happened to be a hundred people from diverse backgrounds like you know obviously as many other because Travis County hired me to go to Miami and like make a giant campaign to make them legal in Miami I planned a sixty person interview stories like started to feel kind of tired to me and I knew that there were other people in Silicon Valley that had very exciting stories right wing there's in half to directly tied to your marketing goals like it doesn't need to be full of marketing messages it can actually have very little to do with your brand and your actual like talking points me wanted to start this project to literally find those people and then take it a step further and actually tell those stories and I just happen to not include straight white men because they were in studio and worked with like every company I ever dreamed of for with and what were some of your favorite projects or things that kind of got a lot of attention or like like get as many different stories as I could in hopes that the majority of people could look at those one hundred people and find something there that they could emmer brands like an actor voices or I mean obviously glossy as a pioneer in this of like it's much more robust it's a full editorial platform and it just shows that there's a lot this launch all the time with so there were little shoots like that but then there were bigger shoots like this feels timely 'cause Mike Isaacs Uber Book just came out and like I was at the infamous Uber Miami get abused thousand twelve to two thousand like photographer to the start ups basically yeah yeah that's a funny funny photographer to the startups worry of how they went through tech but and that's a valid story but there's plenty of people myself included who got into tech in a very non traditional way and does occur Bergh Jack Dorsey or e Lan or like the same white dude who's like changing the world and a visionary and genius and and those I'm about this type of project I wanted to do for a long time like for ten years prior I'd been like mulling on this idea of a long form library of stories but I did says they could as many ages as I could from different countries from different states from different political backgrounds different levels of disability or ability I'm different sexual orientations I just wanted to kind of cliche that everybody roll their eyes out of like Oh this kid went to a private school and then they went to Stanford and then they got hired at Google or facebook and that's very thrilling Kevin Diagram I'm not sure if that's a lot of overlap or not yeah I mean I did the whole gamut right like I did little things like I took so many twitter that I had a badge and with like or no I mean I think I was on the earlier side of people feeling safe to tell their stories good and bad I mean you have people who huge in Oprah magazine which like high school me what if like that would be my ultimate life goal no it got a lot of attention how do you compare the tech industry as hold their stories way before me like you know Erica joy or like Julie from get hub like there were stories being told prior and I was like style for all of the photographs made it feel like there's a certain cohesiveness to the whole thing that really worked yeah I mean I I wanted to let I don't know what the future of storytelling for Texas I mean I think my take on it was the techies project on issue of like look guys work that you do that's creative does the cuss where people were starting to feel a little more open about it but then you look a couple years later and you've got like Susan Fowler that was able to write the Uber memo and and now there's like have the reach at this point because I've built my network and somehow I ended up with a bunch of followers on the Internet so I think I could have the reach to find more people and I also know was it kind of blew up it got almost eight million views in the first month yup and it got covered in most publications yeah it was you know what I would want to do it on at any particular time and this just happened to be the moment where I was like Oh yeah I should do it on this like I am uniquely qualified to do it on this and like how to get press and I know how to get a store in front of a lot of people like I think I can do this and I also know how to produce lots of photo shoots and I know how to produce a campaign so I and I knew that there were other people like that somewhere but I really didn't meet any of them for a long time like pretty much everyone I met seemed a lot richer learn I think it was a little bit of therapy for myself like well I came to tech in a very untraditional way like I hopped off its it felt that kind of eight at me there was something very like cool about connecting with one hundred people that were like me necessarily but weren't like yeah it's a much safer space like you look back on techies and you look at those stories and there's a ton of restraint like there's actually very few people willing to beat that open about their than me and came from different backgrounds the Mir went to different schools than me and like I could hey intellectually and I could hang socially but there was always like a sense of otherness negative experiences intact and when they do it's like quite cost over and you can tell they're still a lot of fear for repercussions in those interviews and now it feels it feels a little different today even though it's still Ali be many more people willing to be open but I honestly could be wrong in the greater scheme of things like it doesn't it doesn't seem much different now than it to three ago was there something that you are trying to learn from the questions that you're asking a lot of it was kind of like understanding their stories but was there something you wanted late to but also find a selection of people that they couldn't relate to and was this for you like a side project or a hobby or like what was the beginning and end of that how did the idea I most people I've met that was a cool experience and just getting to know those people was a really cool experience the main thing that I wanted was like in that similar vein context be the story right and not have anything else like separate people from each other that was twenty sixteen or fifteen that launched twenty sixteen and whole like not like your thing was the thing that changed everything but that like it's do you think that we're in a better place on the tech side like three years later aww safe thing to do yeah if you did like two point Oh version of it what what would you expect to be different that was before me too and everything yeah I mean I think they're so like just such impressive people and it's been so cool to just stay in touch with people and just see where the trees taken them were you at like exotic so do you know that it's a it's a starting point yeah unity it's been amazed I mean like everybody in that project is amazing and like worked so hard to get where they are and are so smart trove of people and be like Oh awesome like I'm not the only one right how did you find every one I just put a thing out internet wasn't there like a you I had the idea and then I ended up doing it in three months like I just kind of put my life on hold and did it in three wise thinking it was great that just the way that you kind of came to a certain and to have someone who feels the same way that felt really isolated and alone intact like they couldn't find anyone else like them to be able to go to this huge treasure projects at a house dinner were hosting on Saturday for a top customers like that's how this so talk about yeah it's like you're thousand true fans or whatever before we get to house I mean you know the the lives I've lived in silicon valley was like pr girl to photographer producer to Busey wasted adults and I learned a lot about adult culture it was kind of a shortcut in me connecting with like an adult professional community like I was really lucky although it's an interesting Combo my kind of first adult chapter was you know I got a job in a Martini bar when I was eighteen years old and that's when I started adulthood data about you who knows I'm I'm persistent I how were my way into what our lives that you've lived that he was really hyper connected to the music industry and the creative industry and it was actually it was an amazing community and so that allowed me to meet a ton of people am have prepared me perfectly for what I do now yeah it there's a cross pollination is so important I think a lot of you will when they're coming out of school they have this dream about I was at the first one Oh yeah I was at the first one to I'm just trying to figure out like I was at all of them except for the past couple of years like trying to like still piece together how where it was go touring with a band of target for forty dollars I like new I wanted to work in tech but had no connections really no clear way of doing so but I figured it out like no other person would have that combination of three or four things totally I mean like none of this made sense at the time it was never like I am destined to serve most right now she and I met at the first exo and we just had breakfast together the other day in New York and we were kind of reminiscing on that I X. O. and how at the time I was which is an interesting transition I mean prior to that I was in North Carolina like I'm literally half Norwegian half redneck and in rural North Carolina man we're in a but I think it's always had a big piece of like inclusion as part of its mission and so I just think of it I'm just still trying to piece together how I I like fast collage and like what is interesting about it is the collage part where you bring together all these different weird combination of experiences into something that our careers have changed so much at that point you know yeah I mean for Xbox like a conference that was trying to I mean it's changed a lot over time like what it stands for Prince go so you know it's one of these funny things where like my life is so many weird seemingly disparate chapters but ironically this little girl and she was this little social media manager and the General Vibe at that time at X. Oh was like anti social media manager and the general like opinion in tech was anti person and we were kind of these two little kind of underappreciated career people at the time we've laughed at kind of how no Lena Helena Helena praise Hambrecht it's very hard Halina Price Hambrecht yes you got it so I can try welcome to the show in that it was in Raleigh North Carolina at the time and I was going to school but not really going to school I was mostly working in the bar and the kind of food and beverage service industry I've I've probably been sober in a bar more than most people being their entire life I used to serve giant Globes of Martinez too Martinis at the club while also this is a you know point in time that you're in right now and who knows like fifteen years from now like how what you're doing now contributes optimal and like who knows what you and I will be doing ten years from now yeah so another ingredient in like how you've come to like what you're doing today as it sounds like meeting your could Put Your name uniform or something like that was just Google Open Yeah Jessica Forum I like Road Quick Medium Post put a gopher minute and did it and I got five hundred applications in two weeks that's awesome yeah do you keep in touch with some of those people or how has buildings there will literally be members from the WHO are creatives and musicians and food people and I got really involved in the music industry and ended up starting to toilet benzes photographer and that allowed me to see the rest of the country and ultimately led me like that because that was two thousand preemies ditching my PR career. I was it's actually funny so Taylor Lauren's like having like the most incredible career as a journal husband has I get pretty big impact on because it seems like that that you're co CEO's and and and it sounds like you know his his doing a certain thing and then stuff like an unpredictable way but then hopefully you have enough of those experiences that you can piece together this for something that comes along fiber ten years from now because like consumer turns change faster than ever people's tastes change faster than ever economy's changed faster than ever and we have to be really thing that who knows what you're going to be doing at that point one hundred percent I think it's it's such a healthy mentality like our generation is not one that gets to work the same job for thirty years her for good and bad right like it's very scary for a lot of the population and it's also a reality that some of us can embrace and like no that we need to have the flexibility to be ready I would not exist if a techie hadn't of married a wine and spirits guy like the truth so yeah I met Woody on Oak Dot Com twelve and side of things like brought a certain aspect of like why you're in this industry like a little bit about that what he and I joke that house you know the big retailers bars and restaurants where where it ends up and historically the way that it's been designed those tears are kind of in cahoots clubs you have a lot more freedom over the way that your product is distributed to the customer in liquor you have to go through the three tier system so like legally more we ended up getting married opener very consolidated version of that story but so yeah so I ended up moving from San Fran and the big corporations that own all the liquor brands decide what you drink and is this the same in this is liquor but wine beer to me and not technology and it's always fun to immerse yourself in a new scene and he was doing like all of these things right as far drinking experience and it really affected him and he wanted to bring that to the United States so when I met woody I was doing my thing I was like traveling then you've got the Middle Tier which is logistics which is basically South Seattle just one distributor basically southern and then you've got the retail which is like the more I got to know the industry through woody I learned kind of why that was the way it is and it's it's basically that the alcohol system is like a Mafia how do you compare those similar but different so with wine for instance you have more control like you don't you can sell direct to consumer you could saw on the internet you can have wine making aperitifs which are these European style low A. B. Liquors as he used to live in Berlin and that's where he discovered upper teeth culture and that people weren't drinking to get smashed together they were actually just drinking to have like intellectual conversation connect even if they were doing that until eight in the morning every night it was just a much more low key Paul and the drinker had no idea who we were even though we were in the best drinks in America so like as an outsider seeing that I was like wow this is a terrible way to build a consumer brand it's like the traditional industry was concerned like his wines and aperitifs for in the best bars and restaurants in America and they were like in the trick cocktails and they were they were like exactly this go up to wine country where woody runs a farm he's a grape farmer like somehow I met a hot farmer on the Internet it's crazy so he runs he distance were you want to be as a brand but I was observing the way that they kind of ended up and every time his aperitifs would just be a small and for those jobs around the world for like facebook entropy Fi and I was gone a lot but when I was home I would immerse myself in his world because it was new and exciting component of a highly bv cocktail they would just be like a sprinkle in a really boozy cocktail and so that meant we were moving no product because we were just a spring Shen no I mean it's it's basically everything you know as a liquor so here's because you're not considered a liquor which is which is yes we will get into that there's a lot of like state laws right is in a different state by state but federally you have to go through the system you can't sell liquor on the Internet you can't sell it consumer you have to go through the distributor and what you end up seeing is if you are not owned by big corporation who has like Ba- jillions of dollars sophisticated you care about what goes in your body people want to take better care of themselves but they still find themselves in situations where they're drinking all the time and they can't find something hall is a three tier system and so that means you've got the first year which is the the makers which is like a or a Campari or per no the people that own all the big alcohol brands people exactly like that's how people come together and there's obviously something like beautiful about the ritual of gathering and imbibing and drinking and eating and like that's something that's been done fan match so no algorithm spoke he managed a sixty eight acres of grapes he like he makes beautiful intervention wines and he was actually already nick that's drinking like their food or drinking or coffee or something I mean it's all of the above it's like that part is important right like connecting with yes the older you get like hangovers are horrible and and it was actually never my goal to get drunk at any of these things but sometimes that happened because I'm a lightweight and you know my own drinking dilemma which you may be able to relate to which is you know for ten years I've been and entrepreneur just trying to build my career trying to participate in society and okay okay so so that's kind of the lay of the land and so me observing alcohol I was like wow this and me at the same time I was going to I'm doing some research to because I was like I wonder what the rest of our generation feels rate I know me and my friends feel this way but what about just all millennials and it didn't take long for me to see alcohol is bad for you but like why is it so alchoholic Weisensee so sugary why is it so like why is it so much right so that got my wheels turning and since the beginning of time but it was starting to wear on me right there just felt like there these downsides that were just ruining my life like it was literally like your health and everything for our generation and not worry about the system like trying to shut us down like we need to make this brand like we need to go make drinks for our generation though and like build that works for them and you look at what big alcohol stunned to innovate and it's nothing because they don't have to because they control the system and anything that they would innovate 'cause you have to go through the three tier system and I'm lamenting all this to witty and that's kind of crazy lightbulb moment that went off where would he was like Oh my God search radius okay cue said it to San Francisco because he liked to date the city cultured girls Okay and we're in ninety six like Oh my God if we do this we can bypass all of those rules we can actually created direct to consumer brand like we could go and make a brand ears are like fifty percent alcohol companies were there's things that you were looking at about the way the market works like historically are what brands like wow there's like considerable research about how millennials engines e are motivated by completely different things like they actually don't want to get drunk I mean you're joints hurt and you end up with all these extra calories that you have to work off and it just it really felt like why is there not a better way to drink like why is the so bad for you obviously like there's a loophole that I've known about for years and didn't think twice about because it never occurred to me to do anything with it which is if you are like other aperitifs like Paul and Campari like all of those fall under liquor sure this particular thing yeah you can be glasses of wine and that was this moment with with threaten the road portfolios they have no incentive to innovate it's very much like a classic disruption story yeah to me I'm like wow what a huge opportunity except you can't disrupt so you worked with Red Antler and gentlemen and some different folks like that or so we we actually talked to you probably ten different agencies around the have emerged or been able to create like a brand that that was inspirational or counter inspirational I mean we had the freedom to be like if we could build and that's how the idea was born wow so okay at the light I know the oldest companies in the world like that have been around for hundreds or thousands of you under twenty four percent alcohol you're made mostly of grapes you can choose to be classes a wine even if you're otherwise an intellectual you make some how brand for our generation that actually meets their needs and go sell it directly to them instead of relying on bartenders or distributors gatekeepers till I do it for us it's not cool like you don't WanNa be Lindsay Lohan Greece immortalized on instagram ray you want to look like you have your shit together you want to drink something sophisticated you wanna look it be and so I mean obviously packaging does not look like other liquor bottles like part of that was you know taking notes from the shift of retail where a liquor brand from the ground up with no baggage not relying on you know liquor writers or not relying on distributors they're not relying on being on retail shelves in gallons it's ninety five percent water but it was all about taking up space and taking a real estate and catching people's I and they're still that burden and retail like if you're in worlds and I had a really really strong opinion about the brand I okay I knew what I wanted to be did you already know the name I like the whole foods and you're trying to buy a bottle of wine you have to suddenly make a decision between one hundred different bottles in front of you so you're still competing for attention and while ironically are level domain names until you found one that was cool enough because I feel like that's how now is an accident if you're trying to figure out a name for your company go to the list of top level domain bars like we don't have to do any of that we just have to sell it on the Internet and appeal to the person who would be ended us like if we could rebuild a brand from the ground up what would dot house was not important yeah we just got lucky it like all made sense at the same time like it's a nod to Berlin where what he discovered this tobacco it's you're just going to end up being a little sprinkle in a cocktail what is the cutoff for being a liquor is it an ABC thing or is it is there some other classification the domain is the most brilliant part is just drink dot house and I feel like you is this correct you just like went through the list of the top take there's no information on the front about what it is like it's just a white bottle with our logo type and for us we were able to let word critiques culture it's also a nod to the home where we're trying to like establish ourselves as a brand and also like this kind of greater ritual around gathering and like us But then I was like I will I will try again and I you know I went on facebook and asked if anyone I knew had any contact cost and the Internet and the press tell that story for us and people can make that decision online so for us it was like let's make a bottle whose primary job is to just look beautiful in your we were like okay it can be house great Then I started looking into domain names house dot com was taken by the other founder of Uber High Garrett and then there was gin lane and a friend of mine went to college with the founder and I ended up being able to get on a phone call with him and like pitched him on it and he was like Oh okay yeah we have to do bottle would get attention in that scenario because it doesn't look like any other bottle we were able to think like what would a bottle have to look like if it doesn't have to sell itself on a shelf like you know just a generation ago the goal of a consumer product was to take up as much space on a shelf in a store as possible it's like why tide detergent is like oh artistic gods and I think they would be a bit offended by some founder coming to them and telling them what to do it because I think you have such a creative like point yes and what's crazy is if you go look into other domains like my dot house or nobody house or like these other yeah they're all like twenty five thousand dollars because they think that those are important want of familiarity like there were so many layers to White House made sense to the brand and then like it was literally just crossing our fingers and hoping the trademark was available. How do you say well it's just it's a cat literally falls under vava teeth which is under the federal one class like Carolyn category so it's just this like little thing magazine as much as it could live on the Internet like all those things were really appealing to them it's funny now seeing pattern and how it's so much about like getting off line and ends and do what you did like back into it from what's available as a as a new I knew I wanted to be house like the idea for the company happened and then literally the next day in the shower I was like what was the collaboration like with woody was his creative process around the product or how you guys collaborate on that yeah well I mean what he's really creative like what he folks in New York he worked in the Arts Berlin like he has a very interesting he's lived many lives as well but for us like what actually makes our co foundering successful the idea of what I wanted the brand to be I wanted someone who wouldn't get offended by that and there are definitely other agencies in the world that are like you were really quick with your feedback and you like had constraints for us and you just you were just really fast fast and that's awesome so okay you took the name and the concept and everything to gin lane they they whipped up their magic while Jin Lights now different way and it's like really crazy how the two of us like our respective expertise cover so much ground when he has a magical Palette he also has like all of these crazy wholesale relationships that most people wouldn't have unless they had four generations in the industry and he's like a and who lives two hours north of us that cut his extraction time from thirty days down to ten hours like he's kind of this other magical creative person but it's like it's more it's just oh daddy I type something else and it suggested it it was like nine this isn't available how about drink dot how does it and I was like and it was ten dollars and I was like yes I believe fun moment where if you both like individual contributors and like that aspect of a creative partnership is just so much fun as just like crazy production mathematics nerd learns how to like build an MVP production center in the most efficient way possible and he built an extraction machine with this like old man I learned all this and this okay cupid profile SOM- like he studied photography in school he worked in the music industry like me he worked at life publishing I'm kind of taking a break from the Internet I mean coming to them and wanting a brand that like has so many ties to real life I think I'm really excited other things like what are you said it to me like he just kind of had a feeling in his gut that we would build something together and it happened to be a loose company and you launched in July like you know all the there were other houses that were taken a really expensive and I was about to give up and I didn't even type drink dot house into the bar of view on things some I think some people would find that like difficult to deal whether you're like the worst nightmare of client sometimes to some to some types of like agencies I would guess Yeah Stat we have very little overlap where what is expertise is what he makes it like were made the recipes and he literally makes the product himself yeah and Mer it's like a seasonal jam but citrus flower and bitter clove are like the two products that and we've tasted like thousands of people on versions of these products and the it must be house the House and the first thing that we did was go look into the trademark because of the most important thing and amazingly it was available which is crazy so that was the moment nice to cover ninety nine point nine percent pallets so it basically completes your bar how do you drink it most of the time I either drink it on the rocks else they'd probably like kill each other but you know and like it's certainly not like a walk in the park like woody and I get on each other's nerves all the time but it was just kind of what stimulating or exciting for me to come back I mean ironically were another Sarah Fun like a white background for me to come and be like look I don't WanNa do Tiger Fianna colored seamless like I want this to be like incredibly nostalgic I want it to feel like it could have been out of your parents photo album I want it to feel very tactile like it could live in and and it's also very easy to whip up a product like because we own the production process we don't have to go to some factory and like work with a consultant on supe- that would take like six months and then propose it to some production facility who would make the rest before us would he just knows how to make it so we can go from like woody having an idea for a recipe quite sweet at that level right it's actually not no no it's funny because like most aperitifs are sweet like we've tasted through hundreds of apetit it depends depending on the agency absolutely it's funny man the Jalen crew had many talks about where they were like you're the dream client because you just you knew what you wanted and can you make me an can you make me hymns Oh yeah you know like oh we're like building this this company like we want to be like the hymns for Blah Blah and like Jillian doesn't WanNa do hymns over and over again like not us and delicious things have sugar but we ended up doing lab tests on just to see where we stand up against other competition and we have like more than eighty percent less sugar than Rawlins Atari like last time we did a lab house had thirty two grams of sugar per liter and apple had two hundred that's why was it important for you to to work with them in particular they understand the millennial consumer more than anyone I know and I also because I had such a strong I don't know how it feels but it seems like it must be really fun it's amazing I mean I don't think it's for everybody I don't think most people would want to like share a business their spouse chiefs to kind of get a lay of the land of you know what we're putting products in two and all of them are so sweet shirt so that was a very clear opportunity for us it wasn't just eighty one grams of sugar per litre like that's how different is yeah it's very little it's just naturally sweet from the fruit so straight on the rocks or what else are empty within like basically ten days on so yeah I haven't tried the other the bitter clothes flavor all launch today so I am not supposed to be okay I was thinking of the Rosa when I haven't tried either of those resume was so good I can't wait for it to come back for you okay on the rocks so I know what you're talking about but it's it's Gotcha what we do like woody is a recipe generation machine like he he comes up with way more recipes than you know about and I have to be like cool it woody to making it in like a week missing but we've been working on these two recipes for a while like these are the two like we did rose Rosa for the summer that'll be back next that made like we were there minded helps like I it it's gotTa be worse if you've got someone who can't make up their mind and there's also a lot of people who would go to gin lane and sales uh-huh because John Wayne was secretly pivoting into pattern bronco yeah yeah so they weren't doing client work anymore so they were like hey sorry don't have time and I was like okay her I'm more of like an on the rocks kind of person or I put it put it in a hot toddy Omega an apple CIDER and it's a jam and then if I'm out at a Bar obviously houses and at bars yet but I will drink aperitifs when I'm at the bar and I'll mix those with tonic yeah and I find that to be really delicious so it seemed like rather the year two thousand twelve yeah well it's Hilarious we didn't actually get together then we were friends for like five years and then in two thousand sixteen he was like I wanna wife you and I was like we should go on a date and then I'm really lazy because it's really good and it like where you kind of get the complexity of it I have a bottle I have the here but it's both both both the ones I got June June yeah we've been launched for three months that's our syllabi Razi but I've been amazed by the like releases of flavors because you've already done three Louis BV aspect it was like wow everything that's low A. B. is packed with sugar this is really weird so we decided to cut the sugar down a lot not be sugar free because it should be which I just I feel like you could have coasted on just one for at least a year like I was the impetus to go so fast we can't yeah we didn't have to hire anyone like we got to launch how many total is just too now we have a well 'cause I I do feel like it is that is you're right so like in the summer if I'm by the Pool I'm drinking it with Soda Water and I'm hydrating great it feels like a spa day and then in the win Jeez come into the picture but like what did you do to you know help give that extra boost that you've thought like if I can do these things I can gate there was a lot of you know excitement for the launch and everything was this is where like your decades of like experts shins attached to that but most really good consumer investors understand that the priority upfront needs to be the brand and needs to be the consumer experience needs to be like focusing on in customer happiness and retention versus like crazy growth rate instead of pumping all of your money into ads like you should actually be figuring out ways to like reward oh you're not for me or people who are already like super nerdy on aperitifs and they don't need another Aperitif in their life so there are people who don't get it but most people when a here that story about just how much were drinking and how much it's getting to us most people can relate and that story made a lot of people be like quantity and more about the quality right it's like we had a particular brand challenge with house where luckily the brand story was an easy one to tell like obviously we struck a chord and for us it's like who we want to take more of a long-term vision like yes we're raising silicon valley money so there's going to be Silicon Valley expectation authentic and La la La but the challenge was okay were like introducing this category of liquor to America that most people don't know about and at first glance they probably wouldn't care about that's a big challenge and so we put a lot of work into that positioning before the launch and not really came back to benefit us in a big way beyond that I mean literally the biggest person is okay how do I make it less about the what and more about the why and how do I lead people to experience our products where they can doing to continue the like sustaining that conversation I mean obviously you're releasing flavors is there anything else that you've figured out I mean what's crazy is one hundred percent of our they wanna be like madmen or you know they glorify alcoholism or they drink beer and it doesn't give them any problems and I'm like I don't know I like Beer Holy Shit I've been waiting for a product like this for a long time and then once they get it it's actually like they really like it and they tell all their friends and word of mouth has been huge what are you standing of how it would taste and how you should drink it like how can I very naturally give people an understanding of what their experience would be on the internet or they buy it and how much the downsides are starting to get to me that's a story that most people can relate to write the few people that don't get it are people who are like they just genuinely love being drunk or and learn a bit of the story and where they can kind of intrinsically understand where this product belongs in their life that they should gather friends together they might have an under traffic driver at launch was I wrote a medium post well and I literally just told the story because you know prior to launch I'd pitch this thing five hundred times already when I was wondering thing so I I knew what things resonated with people in what didn't and the thing that really resonates with people who get it are like when I talk about how much I'm drinking and the if we came and said we're upper teeth most people would be like I don't know what that is and I don't care right so the real challenge as a brand of before we release it to the rest of the public we're hosting forty of our top customers to our house for dinner on Saturday like we really want to kind of practice retainer user so for us it's starting to be little things like we do a lot of surprise and delight like we just rewarded all of our top customers with free bottles of bitter like we didn't have to make it up we weren't too like Harvard business school kids who came

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"Here we go this time for fasttrack and let's see one side of the coin. USC plus the four other side of the coin join Utah Covers Momma called in the air USC. You'll see is winning like that. I lose the closet chapel. Go ahead. Okay hang on a psycho. Get your body back on track fast. Get rid of those unwanted inches freeze the fat with Dr Grant Stevens his old team marina plastic surgery visit freeze the fat dot Com. Take it away all right. Jennifer Lopez just closed the cheese spring twenty twenty show in Milan in a re-imagined address of her iconic two thousand Grammy Dress. This video is viral all over the Internet. Go look it up. If you just type in Jaylo dress it's green and it's fabulous besides Jaylo which stars do you think look better as they age as good or better as they age That's a good question I'll say Diane Lane. yeah who I think just looks amazing. She's such a beautiful yeah. I- Clooney looks better and better tackling Yep I'll go with that trying to think off off the top of my head. Helen Mirren Always Wins Those Little Helen Mirren Yeah. She's always like the Vogue Issue Helen Mirren my favorite Helen Mirren Story. I Look Michelle. pfeiffer looks fantastic. Yeah my favorite Helen Mirren Story Okay. I'm proud to even have one so helen. Mirren came to do a Q. and A. At our theater in in Palm Desert and put her up in a sweet and when we had a big guests like that I would always ask the assistant so what what would they like in the room and Taylor Hack Ford is Helen's partner. I think director so he had directed the movie helmet starring in it so I called the assistant I said so what what would be good for for their room. He said we'll Taylor likes mixed nuts and dried cots and this kind of whiskey and such such and such house and the hit list like six things and I said Yeah but what about Helen he said Oh Helen just vodka the more Russian the better. Oh fool is Helen Mirren. She was awesome to work with so yeah those couple. You got anybody else. Oh if people who looked better whereas they ask your question Helen Mirren was Mine Helen Mirren's Diane Lane One. That's good. I'm I going to go with Guy Wise. Di Was Kuni looks good Robert Redford debts and no he's just got an old now when Walkman the matters like seventy five years old yeah pick on red for not as good Tom Cruise not always I mean Tom Cruise in top. Gun is always the best Sammy Sosa Hosa. Jaylo is the answer to every ask you see your movie. The Hustler's haven't seen it yet. Good island really good anymore but J. LO is like gold. Look at the dress. Have you googled it yet. No just type in jail jalen. How did I do it after faster faster really good in that dress? You won't be able to look at anything else. Don't do it as you're driving. You should see her and I it's an athletic feat. Do this stripper pole routine and hustlers. It's crazy amazing yeah all right the NFL has made it no secret secret that they want to protect quarterbacks recent this year. We've already seen a number of major quarterbacks go down. If one Miami Dolphins player is to be believed the league may have gone too too far dolphins linebacker Ray Kwan McMillan says Aref told him to take it easy. A New England. Tom Brady during Sunday's is game. Macmillan claims the REF went so far as to say stay off Tom now if true wow that cast the NFL a really bad light if the rest are giving star preferential treatment huge problem some already believed this to be the case. Do you believe this Guy Story. The official said to him. Stay off. Tom And do you think the NFL should investigate the. I believe who think that I think referees actually say a lot of things like that. I'm Pires referees. Wherever do you WANNA say because they're real with the players yeah like? I think that they're basically saying like look. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA call if you try to kill Brady these out like I. I think that he whatever ever rebel just stay off Tom in other words. Don't get him don't hit him. I actually believe that I think the I think that's the REF being real with a defensive player. Never thinking that defensive into player's GonNa take that public right right by the way last night. I don't know if you noticed this during the titans Jacksonville game which I lost five thousand mythical dollars ooh but Tom Brady tweeted in the middle of the game he was turning it off because there are too many many penalties Troy Aikman also came came out this week and said to what is going on there are way too many penalties right now in the NFL. I think that they're over enforcing everything because you have replay okay and because there's such scrutiny that it actually makes officials call more. They're afraid to be wrong and not calling something interesting theory so because they can be reversed on replay yeah but they can be reversed the other way too right but like what does the what's the big famous call from last year that those referees will never live down on Nicole Roby Coleman no recollection if we block that out they didn't call the Pi. I don't even know what that is. We won't get straight to the point of call about last night. Obviously I smack design. I put on a Waffle House frontier that refreshing my memory a little bit so you think thank no officials are calling everything because they don't want to be caught in a situation like that yeah well. Somebody needs to reel him back in because it's gone too far. It's it's gone too far too. Many penalties. He's last night makes the Games absolutely watchable Greg. What do you think I it's annoying? It's way too many but the crazy thing. Is You keep watching desire. Turn it off your Tom Brady did but did you I didn't I did not. I did not stick with you. Turn it off did not stick with the game well. We had a terrible football. We had mythical money line was a bad game kept watching money. My bet was over as soon as Jacksonville went up fourteen nothing but also for your off my Corey Davis three t three three catches was still going so watchable football. It was really bad that we still watch it and people are going to continue to watch it because people like Gardner Menchu with his porn stash and and because of the the gambling aspect of it. It's always going to be watched. you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles Momo. It sounds turn all right. Oh Okay we have a major showdown at the box office this weekend. Steve Mason Downton Abbey versus You're ready Rosso. Oh those two movies have so much in common which of the two blockbusters this weekend will take home the number one spot Downton Abbey or Rambo so I've never seen an episode of Downton Abbey and couldn't be less less interested K. but I'm sure it has got a very specialized unique audience of upscale Gail white folks mostly women mostly women and they will come out but I think Rambo last blood will have life in it okay with a broader audience and I think it will win. According to deadline dot com J. Universal specially art house label focus features just looking at their first I number one opener in nine years. Oh with Downton Abbey which is looking to reap a fourteen million dollar Friday F- We're three three day total of thirty three million leeann yet outta here for nearly double what Rambo's getting along well no if deadlines reported seven that'd be Anthony del Asandra over there reporting. I will check. He's he generally nails it. Anthony Della Sandra Sandra has got that right his actual his second update Friday midday. How focused features is expected to bring it home thirty three million and the Rambo last last blood is expected to bring in eighteen to twenty million dollars so I'm surprised you don't watch I watched a couple of seasons of it? It's slow even even for me but I did watch a couple but mostly because I was out on maternity leave and I just was binging everything waited. You don't like the period all that stuff. I mean it's good. It's good how I like below deck like about the bodies in the bats the one where there's a crew and there are people right. It's upstairs downstairs yeah so this is like below deck nineteen hundreds. It's inland at the Downton Abbey. It's like classy period below deck but there's some good stuff behind the scenes. It's just a little slow. I Definitely Watch Downton Abbey or for the lower deck pass check. You're missing out all right a few months ago. Lavar ball claimed his big baller brand was poised for a comeback but based on some recent comments he appears to have come to terms with the fact that he might not be able to salvage here is a confrontation between Lavar Mar ball and Lonzo ball on the ball in the family show which is still airing on facebook watch was would you stand today heroin. I wouldn't change them. Undesired Martin's lamarcus regardless of what it is. I'm just saying compete on also stands for the three ball Bronx. I'm not changing all about his opinion WII Bruno no no listen to me so when I come up with a name and there's somebody changing the change on just like people say oh fair don't change Lonzo's named Alfons fact that he'd been daddy. Do this for the last few in the brain is not too much sex but he's got the world doesn't assume as you talk you saw messed up right was he messed up because he was the main person he wasn't the main person. That's that's Seles said everything is just foster gear folate so there you have it. It's got the great reality TV music underneath it. do you believe Lavar really believes that the big baller brand can be revived. You've done a lot of reporting in this area. is it done forever. nope really explain so without giving away. reporting that I may or may not be doing the answer to your question is I do not think they are done and I think that she that seeing that just aired was shot. Many months ago and things are probably different that is don't believe everything you watch on fake reality. TV Wow may or may not be recreated. So do you think the producers may have just goose that up so they could have been but I think it happened a while ago and you know how things are think. Look in the reporting that I've done on big baller brand. I will tell you this. They actually made a lot more money than I thought thought. They actually were profitable company. They actually did really well. I we yeah like I saw financials like they actually made a lot more and this isn't that guy take all of it. He took a lot Al and so in terms of running a website running a brand where the website was literally made on like one are those whole website creation tools like it's just not very sophisticated how everyone was able to track how many shoes they were selling and selling mostly via pop up up shops and this like you know website. That's not very professionally. The shoes that Lonzo said blew up every quarter he had to bring four pairs of shoes with the value actually really really strong it. Actually they actually did a lot of sales way more than you would have way more than you have. Extensive big baller brand is not dead. I think it's not that and I think it would be it would be wrong to actually throw away. What is a popular they not just private but in terms of name recognition we talk about this all the time once you've created a brand and people I heard of it before and it creates sales and stuff? It's kind of foolish to just toss it aside. Well okay sorry I I know I I think the brand and is dead. I personally think the brand is associated with with one guy stealing all the money I associated with with Lavar ball who feels like he's way past as Salvadorian minutes of fame it feels like old and done to me yeah I could see Lonzo signing with Nike or somebody after he has a you know if he does something this year that re establishes value but I think that brand and is I mean there's people there's like a million people watch that facebook show every day. I know every episode does really good numbers Yup all right more fasttrack in two minutes. It's Mason in Ireland. ESPN I roll with Fasttrack Momo to your boss Jack all right. Let me get let me get this good. Let me decide. Which one do I WANNA have okay in July? Two million people signed up to raid area fifty one on September twentieth to quote see them aliens. Yes see no aliens. This is a facebook petition. This started as a joke but then end music promoters decided to create music festival there the night before in a small town nearby called Rachel where about fifty people live Yup. This Music Festival is called Aliens Alien Stock. This is the Friday night this is happening about twenty. Five hundred people are expected to attend alien stock however over the area fifty one raid has been trending on twitter and facebook for days. Wow How many people do you think will attend the area. Fifty one raid tomorrow okay so is this like a fire festival thing is there is there actual are there bands is playing not really. It's sort of like gave somebody gave plunge. People show up to try to get into area fifty one yeah. It's like this government thing it started with a facebook petition Peo- all said that they would go yeah and now the question is how many people are actually going to show up also a few thousand but I just think a few thousand thousand will show up so far. It looks like there's about twenty five hundred people who are going to the alien stock which is the music festival yes but the local sheriff's department which has been to preemptively declared a state of emergency really preemptively so they they have this in place in case a Lotta people show up have like one hundred law enforcement people onsite because area fifty one is classified player and so far only about a hundred people have shown up. Okay there you go. I don't think there's a lot to work by the way everybody's gone gone anywhere. It's viral. I actually a few a number of years back now. Remember the art bell show no is on late at night CAM radio who's he's on national you talked about aliens and spaceships and all that kind of stuff and people have said they're showing up to this so I- hosted that show as guest all so I got my full my fill of area fifty once every fifty one to me. It seems pretty clear that there that's a place where retested all sorts of high hi tech aircraft and technology and that's why people have seen stuff that can't be explained there. I don't believe it's aliens. I just think it's a place where we test all of our neat new stuff. What do you think of my theory? Well I haven't done the big deep dive a other than watch some stuff on reddit and Aaron Rodgers conspiracy theories etc but I choose to believe the myth because I think that's more fun well even if so if you follow the myth the bodies of the aliens that landed ended at area fifty one were transported to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton Ohio and they are in hangar her nineteen. I WANNA say during nineteen that is if you want to follow the deal. If you WanNa follow the urban legend all the way to its conclusion and it ends up in Dayton Ohio hangar eighteen hangar eighteen the Wright Patterson air force base in Dayton. I feel like this is one of those those games that you play with us where you just makeup a fact. No you have to decide if that's true totally now that that's absolutely the stories who signed up for this on facebook and a few hundred or showing up fouls check all right all right a computer scientist at the University of London has developed a formula to determine the greatest songs of all time and they've come up with a definitive list of the top fifty fifty according to the Daily Mail Nick Anderson examined a whole bunch of lists of greatest songs of all time from newspapers and music stations like VH1 and rolling only stone on and on he was commissioned by car manufacturer Fiat who wanted to identify a song they could use to promote the brand new Fiat Five Hundred K. he actually use is analyze software in an attempt to put his finger on what made those tunes iconic that involves taking into account factors such as beats per minute cord variety lyrical content and Timbale variety along with sonic variance before arriving at the list below. I will give you the top ten okay number. Ten is sweet child of mine okay. We're all good number nine. God Save the Queen by the sex pistols number eight. I can't get no satisfaction rolling stones seven like a rolling Stone Bob Dylan six. Hey Jude the Beatles number five Bohemian rhapsody Queen Number Four Billie Jean Michael Jackson number three one by you to number two imagine by John Lennon and number one smells like teen spirit by how devante Yup Nirvana so the question I tipped you guys off earlier on this. What are your three greatest songs of all time? Okay okay so I actually will go with them on one of them to Queen. I'm in Bohemian Rhapsody if you saw that movie and read about about and saw it listen etc about how Freddie Mercury came up with a song he believed in that artistically and just the way that people listen to it and how it is. I think it's got to be on the list K. That's that's one now. I'm so torn Okay I. I want to put something from aretha on their Yup. I feel like if taking three songs with me on my on my iphone and those the only three I could ever listen to. I have to have some kind of Aretha so I'm GONNA say all will probably go with natural woman. Okay okay instead of respect. Even that's hard. That's a hard choice there but okay and then ooh tough yeah I'm GonNa go with fleetwood and I'm GonNa go with landslide lamps a great record could song good song. I I mean I do like everywhere. Don't stop thinking about landside is just a beautiful song. Okay Greg. I'm also going to agree with one of them on the list but mine is imagined by a John Lennon that is such an unbelievable song I'M GONNA go with two Beatles Song. Luckily that's John Lennon Song so I will go with the Beatles Song. here comes the Sun. It's my favorite song of all time I love that Song so that's one of them and then the other one is what a wonderful world and it's not the Louis Armstrong Armstrong version. I love that version th the one I love is the solution is amazing. That is a great song call. I saw my three are number. Three's tough. There's a couple there. I'M GONNA go with I'M GONNA go with when doves cry by Prince. That's good really is an unbelievable record number two who I agree with them one by. U2 that's great to and my number one song of all time is Howard Luhya by Leonard Cohen. That's Agai- yeah I just think I own so many different people doing that soft Buckley. Eh It goes on and on there's a JT version. There's a K. D. Lang version narrow wrote. That's the most recorded song of all time there's so many different versions of but a Hallelujah number one for me so nobody's on Nirvana nobody's under but I love that record that would be on my shortlist list. Nirvana was always overrated. I hated it always actually have gone the other way on Nevada like I. I didn't like them at the time and now I like them. I love runge grunge girl. I love Pearl Jam or Jonah fast track. Oh God how do I follow that. One might turn again. Okay follow it with another question I know but that was such a good question. okay one of the new. NBA rules that was passed today by the Board of Governors is that lineups are to be posted thirty minutes before the game instead of ten. Why was this change made and who benefits the most from it okay so I wasn't listening so repeat the question this one out such a short question? I I normally ready for your long rambling. I'm being honest here. I better answer. I didn't hear what are the one of the new. NBA rules that was passed today's board of governors meeting. We're all focused on the tampering and I'm going to make this long rambling. is that the League has decided sided that lineups are going to be posted thirty minutes before a game instead of ten. Why did they make this change who benefits the most from it thirty minutes instead of ten? You'RE GONNA figure this one out. I think that's probably gamblers. This is a very gambler friendly rule change. We're going to give you more time to figure out WHO's playing. WHO's not playing who starting WHO's not starting? WHO's an active This is a gambler friendly rule and I think it's smart. am I right. You're totally right. I mean what what did they do this for the media right. I think this is I think everybody needs to be more transparent. This is this is was excellent transparency on the part of the NBA. It's already legal in multiple states and eventually will be federally legal so why not get in compliance with what is right and what is fair right away this came up earlier this year the NC Double A. had a decision to make about whether or not they were going to put out an injury report for college football and they decided not to but you know what they should because if somebody's he's got inside information about somebody who is or is not gonNA play they can make a bet and know that they've got that secret that secret sauce as we talk oftentimes about a game time decision right will generally speaking players go out on the court they warm up and then about ten fifteen minutes before the calls made are they playing or not and it depends on how much you believe how close they go to Gametime like how how far out do they go before they make that quote unquote gametime decision Yup generally speaking. I think people have a pretty good idea. It's there's there's very few true gametime decision yes so but think back to the finals this year with Kevin Durant every single game we weren't sure or if he was going to play they were just wait until the La- until the last minute finely Steve Kerr would say Kevin out today Yup Kevin's not active today and Jeno's those beginning. There's a gamesmanship aspect to this the tip the opponent off of whether somebody's active or not active but how big a difference does this make in terms of gambling and the betting line when Kevin Durant is active versus inactive Klay Thompson active versus nine swing Lebron James and the finals years ago yeah we find out he had broken hand y'all ever on an injury report never change his spot the starting lineup well that wouldn't necessarily and this went necessary taste but yeah there's there's the truth through a broken can hand and was playing anyway. He wouldn't show up on an injury report. He would be in the line and with that but if somebody was like let's say they have a sprained ankle hamstring. I'm string or whatever it is it. Can we play with this or not. It used to be ten minutes. They coaches could take it all the way up until they had to put the final lineup in Yup who was active not active active now it's thirty minutes set atten- yeah wow interesting the NBA's ahead of the curve gambling they really are they are embracing it. which is the smart by the way Major League baseball also trying to embrace it Rob Manfred it's only the NFL that is deeply opposed to gambling and college football all deeply opposed to gambling but it's coming whether they like it or not so you might as well get ahead of the curve on it? I I got a game leftover. Who will come back to next? George Sodano has got a couple of pets. Did you hear from George coming on next. George is GonNa come up next Mason Ireland. ESPN ESPN LA Mason Ireland so a couple of things we'll get sodano in here in just a minute sports by Brooks Brooks Mel cure has been told by a source close to the USC Administration Asian and board of trustees that if the TROJANS are embarrassed by Utah at home tonight in a major blow out clay Helton will be relieved of his duties as as has the school football coach if like that simultaneously have a tweet from a member of the pre game aim. I think is going on right now. US Times a game start six o'clock six o'clock USC versus Utah at the Coliseum the pre game on F s one is Matt Liner Urban Meyer and Reggie Bush there is a tweet from Stewart Mandel. This is a comment from Urban Meyer during the pre game he was asked about USC general general he said there are very few places where you can expect to win every game. This is one of them. Oh Geez is he looks now. You're all excited again. I don't know what to do here. I don't know if I'm supposed to root for them or supposed to refer Utah Because of Utah Wins than there goes clay Helton but I can't root for C. It's very disturbance. Get fired. No I want him there forever. They held in such a great guy one of their forever and ever and ever either. You're the bruin over right exactly stay forever. Let's bring George Sodano in George. What are you doing man? I'm just hanging out my biohazard suits this week. So why are you in in a biohazard suit so my son the youngest got something called hand foot mouth so basically it is a viral tirol infection she can't take antibiotics or anything like that and the kids get like fever and they get like these little bumps and rash I get rashes I guess on their the hands on and they could get it in their throat to and yeah so of course my wife and I both got it my daughter though did not really get it which is interesting so but my wife and I have dealt with it so we have all basically been in a biohazard suit and my mother-in-law's been here making sure that my daughter doesn't get contaminated so what is the prognosis prognosis five to seven days of just staying out of the public is because I think contaminate you and so the last thing I want to do may since we both share that same seat at Espn La was contaminate you via the thank you. I saw you the other day when and you hosted the trump and you were like I'm just not feeling what I'm like. Get away from me. I wanted to get near anyone because I knew that I wasn't feeling yeah well. It was probably something like this but I didn't know that the fever thing was was something that the adults would get so I thought maybe I just had a regular cold or whatever whatever but yeah turns out I had the thing I got the Itis so will there be a sodano actually tonight. There will be a sodano show. Did you know who's hosting it. I believe the Kevin uh-huh they've got one of them. One Cam Brian Okay the Baldwin with Gregg Bergman. Oh August Brown father. Almost this is from two thousand and six. I used to work with Georgia and another station and he would always call me. Young Greg can now look where I am. Drag is all growed up. He's all growed up. You're no longer young greg yeah now. You just dragged what do you what do you think of the Urban Meyer thing man man. I Trust Brooks when it comes to this stuff like Brooks is very plugged in College Football Sorek Louis like he's always been on top of college football stuff more so than almost anyone but I guess Brett mcmurphy I guess would be someone that that people would know that super plugged into college football as well as far as news and stuff like that and how organizations or programs are thinking so if he thinks that urban doesn't have as much of a shot or that there's infighting riding than I buy all of that and look I understand that the president of US's a woman I can totally understand why she would be against potentially hiring urban Meyer after what transpired at Ohio you say now we gave you fifty thousand mythical dollars last week. I flow wait wait. I thought it was more than how much should we give the lowest total which was Ireland sixty four five. Oh Okay you've got sixty four thousand dollars. He got he got twenty. Five hundred dollar bet right so he's at sixty seven thousand right now. Okay six hundred seventeen thousand you have more than Ireland. Yeah I know the Rams Yeah congratulations now you would like to even though you've got foot hoof and mouth disease. You sound like a human disease even though you even though you've got that you would still like to make wagers for this weekend so I wanted to get you hear absolutely I got. USC Cuesta three and a half. I need a thousand on that I am bullish on. USC before I went down with foot wouldn't mouth or whatever I have yeah I I was on the show talking about how people need to relax that I'm still in on Heathen Slovaks he had a a a rough game at Byu but it was I thought on the road and by the way they still almost pulled that thing out despite that so I think that I'd at-home he's going to be more comfortable. I think that the kids I think the kids seem to like playing for clay and I think they're gonNA play for clay and they're very talented yeah so on paper. They're more talented than Utah so they should win this game outright but I. I don't know if I'll go that far for you know you're taking you're taking. USC plus the three and by the way you can get for that you can get four yeah four plus four okay. What's your next? What what can I redo something? Though oh hang on a second Momo's diary I got to read you. What if what if I told you a Reggie Bush just said George? What are we saying quote? I see too many guys from out here warming up with their shirts off other guys with their shirts on their heads. It doesn't look like a team. This is a team sport. Put your shirt on. You're not undefeated. Put some clothes on and look like football team. Wow Reggie Bush on Fox sports one right now. Wow Reggie get off my lawn like say you bet a bunch of mythical money. Hey Reggie is on the law. Reggie is on the line for the first time in in since since the since he was running for touchdowns with them. That's true I bet number two George. I'm actually upping the ante just because of a Reggie said and because you they gave me four points Jimmy going big time. Good make ten no no. I'm not getting crate still. USC and it's still college number two next bet I dot is a New Orleans saints plus the four and a half now this thing open at six and a half and all the sharps were pounding New Orleans so it's come down a couple because everyone's like overreacting to them losing drew brees. There's still a really good team and Teddy. Bridgewater hadn't played a meaningful game in forty four months prior to just jumping into that game against Oh. I don't know the defending ending. NFC Champions at home feel like Teddy Bridgewater is going to be fine with a week's worth of work with the ones and they'll be able to keep it within a field goal so give me a thousand on the saints plus four and a half. I believe right now okay and bet number three number three. I think this is easy money everyone again again. Overreacting to the Ben Rothlisberger Injury Mason Rudolph performed really well. I thought in that game and now they're playing a San Francisco team. That's coming off. A couple of wins on the roads are coming back home. They're feeling good about themselves but they're not as talented as the steelers are. They may be better at quarterback. Maybe I don't know but they don't have the better off offensive line. They don't necessarily have the better skill position players so I think Pittsburgh covers a big number. You're right now. I saw at at six and a half. I've seen someplace in seven. You tell me what what the number is Let's see I've got seven okay. I'm taking Pittsburgh lungs seven. You need a thousand on that one too okay George. You're talking like a real handicapper man. You're you're like one of the SHARPS I listen. I've only done the action network Chad millman. Hold me on this. I don't understand how to use the action network to pay for it. You don't pay for it and I don't know how to use it subscriber. I don't get it Chad millman on there. It's hilarious because because every day I come into the office and he's like he'll look at me in the studio. Where is it? You're finding all this stuff that you're talking. I like look man. You just gotTa you know because there's a million articles in there from a million people who are really smart but you just have to know what to look for. You can't can't look for just the stuff of where it's like. Random guy not random but one of the guys he's just doing his picks like you've gotta find the stuff. That's comprehensive talks about trends and things of that nature someday. You'll show me right how to use the action network. I mean all I gotTa do look. Here's the deal it's very don't give hintz. Don't give them hints. She doesn't want me to give away the secret know exactly I'm using my brain airlines. Using the furthest rain you WanNa call it does used to get me Chad Millman Momo decide Momodou. I'd give him the secret of where to find the good stuff open the in the action network APP or do I let Greg in battle it out well. Are we saying is as your friend of Steve Mason or for the Radio Bid Alliance the alliance. I have an alliance known you longer a funnier bit if mason continued to not know how to work it. That's what I'm talking about Momo. It's better radio however from a friendship point of like your yeah yeah. There's GonNa be a grudge. George and you know how I am with grudges. I he's known for better radio. May I've taken this out of out of my own hand. I'm letting Momo decided to like an independent arbiter. I know but you got to correct now. You're in this between me and Greg Jews for the radio itself the story. I'm all about the art that means what you're not choosing the radio. I don't WanNa help because also has his own system. I do have my own system and you need to just believe in your system. My system is pretty good. What a house my total you you have ninety thousand five hundred yeah my one hundred fifty six yeah you Jim bus over there with your system? When your numbers you know what I'm going to trust my beautiful mind beautiful wonderful stick with that radio that way screw Chad millman and the Action Network all right George or your money back yeah? I should get got my money back. I really should I George. We will see you back here Monday night. Yeah I'll be back okay well. I don't know are we allowing him back. Yeah he's Ed with the foot and mouth disease. It's going to get a better name. It just sounds like something cowgill. It's like equal. You Know Jorgen just all we can do everything else. We just give give it like a like an acronym we just call it h FM HD FM. I believe it's not like that. Call it like hoof. Disease Swine affiliated like that scares Carol tougher tougher. Hey George thanks man. We'll see on Monday. Hope you're up all right. I cannot not figure out the action. I I don't either yeah I pay the money. You actually pay the money due. I'm a subscriber. Why are you pay the money? It's hard to figure out because I know there's good stuff yeah finding we'll see you pay for content great people would I pay for my ESPN plus. I get that free work here. I they make me repay Dave. They've never offered me. I pay it every year and then they send me. ESPN the magazine for as long as that's going to last at dawn is a done. I just got the body the issue of those funnels you find one you should frame it shoe last one mason and Ireland. ESPN LA hey it's all happening people tear it up afternoon afternoon. Drive Mason and Ireland Momo is in for John Today and I promise I the game leftover from fasttrack. I thought we would play it is a competitive competitive game. They all are and this will be between Greg. Who is the guest host of the Sodano? Show troupes like never stature is gonNA grow here. We got other sleep on our hands coming as the next sleep what you're going. The full sleep won the full-sleeve yeah. He's a he's doing a great job. He's doing a great job. Absolutely absolutely I'm just waiting. You're knocking me correct all right so here's the I've got a list of famous people who used to be really good athletes all right so I am going to give you clues when you know who I'm talking about. Say Your name okay. I might be good at this or not. That's usually how that works. I might be good or not okay number. One he starred in smoke in the bandit boogie nights and deliberates he dated Sally Field Mustache Mama Mama. Tom Selleck no now. I can burn okay number two eight about that former host of talk soup. He starred in the series Community Greg Greg Joel McHale. He was on the University of Washington in rowing team. I didn't know that yeah the rowing team that's actually by sport and that's a gigantic school for rowing. It's a really big deal at at wash okay all right number three. He played magnum. Pi Mama Mama. That's Tom Suck. That's Tom selleck he played basketball. USC So it's one and one number four he produces and stars in NCIS. He's married to Pam Dober- keep going he played quarterback for Ucla. Oh Greg Greg Mark Harmon. That's IT Mark Harmon to one. I'm greg neither of your specially inspired his face. I just couldn't remember. Ucla quarterback is what kind of K- The ladies love him. He starred in Magic Nick. Mike Oh Mama Mama. That's a shooting three Enron to what what are the Magic Mike Twenty anyone jump street the hateful eight channing Tatum Greg Iraq yes channing tatum where I was on a soccer and football scholarship to Glenville Unveil State College in West Virginia I so it's three one greg. Wow she's a singer. She sings. All I WANNA do is have some fun. She sings soak up the sun. She dated land. It's a Oh my gosh oh crawl Cheryl three to play. She was an all state high school. Track Athletes Woo as a hurdler all right he starred in escape from New New York. He dates Goldie Hawn. Oh is NATO memo also Russell's correct even Davies calling on. That's the one that got me. They never got married in the last one. This is for everything okay. This is for everything he plays Jay Pritchett on modern family. 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HELLP Syndrome

If These Ovaries Could Talk

46:53 min | 9 months ago

HELLP Syndrome

"This episode is brought to you by story worth and ember. We are happy to have them on board making the show. Possibility we really are welcome to talk. I'm gene I'm Robin. We're your host the SPA past. Oh I am a lesbian so we need to tell our stores not your nuclear family anymore. Such as Germont that we're not burning out for the. Hi Jamie I robin how are you? I mean? Living the dream that Doreen in seclusion we are in social distancing quarantine time during Cova nineteen pandemic week nine thousand sixty five plus twelve. Have you noticed that on zoom calls? There's nothing left to say so I have this like this weekly conference calls with some friends and it's just like no one has any experiences that are happening. So we're all just like oh how you holding up. You good yelled at my kids this week. Yummy to don't beat yourself up about it. Okay the amount of yelling. That happens in how that's really all we have to talk about is true is how much damaging our children right now. Dr. Families before this I had to go like reboot the router. And as I was doing it Henry was like no no no because he's in the middle of some like minecraft auction and I was like screaming. I'm working doing this. And then after Mary comes out and she's like As Lana call by boss and I was just like okay. Cool great at academic every time and is on a call with work. I scream at the kids at least once like a bad scream at least once. I mean it's crazy. How quickly things can turn to mayhem with. Your children really is like so calm and cool and the next second. They're acting crazy people. And you're screaming at them like it's like from Jamie or we like today. I was like having a discussion with Mary and I was like. I feel like maybe you're not acknowledging the transition that happened from Sunday to Monday as much as the kids I was like do we need to start talking about you know things that are coming up. Because she's handle Monday's while she was losing her mind over snacks Monday. They're hard even during this groundhog day. Time Mondays are killing me now. We're just going back from spring break too. So it's like. We had like nine days with the home schooling. Now it's back in. It was just a throw in the towel. How important is that that our kids are smart? It's not important right. I wouldn't have your schooling whatever happy and kind that's going on right now and I'm not being kind to them so that so well. Robin was over there fixing her internet issue. I went and serve the book the facebook and I saw funny mean that Neem. It mean if the picture of something I don't know I don't know exactly what it mean is I didn't get some. I think it's when it's a picture and then there's words that's okay. That's what I saw that. My friend household right now by my my friend. Claudia posted a shutout the cloudy. I think she listens and a picture of a Margarita which I have to share this with you guys. It's called quarantine coffee. It's just like normal coffee but it has Margarita in in also no coffee. The wording is funny asthma. Horita IN IT I love. I love also. Coffee is my favorite part of that codename word so might our news item for today. Jamie Pride in New York City was postponed time in over fifty years. That appraised one happen in June. It was going to be the fifty year anniversary of pride. Was it well? If it's been fifty years more than those me. It was the first one. Maybe it was sporadic. I Dunno if somebody fact check that and get back to us that it is. I think it's the it was gonna be like a big one. You know we need Jimmy. Is we need a person like even if it's just a made up character that's not really here like Helen and I go Halid. Helen fact checks. We sit person. Helen's should get a new job. She's not she's not handling it. Well Mess Helms over the chain smoking cigarettes and drinking whisky all right. Well that's good. That's Helen Kelton. It's called everybody lady. You know we had been no. Her name was Helen Kelton. You don't see the Helen. Keller Keller. I'll never know ever seriously Hellen Kelton not her. I like how all right we should get to the show right. Helen Kelton and Helen. Our assistant wants us to get. She's she's punching me right now and tell me to get to the show but this whole thing that probably normally in a normal world wouldn't have upset me but when I read that it felt like my heart sank for second. It may not bad. And it's just it's indicative of of everything all right. Let's go on and all the bad news. It just keeps coming at us that we want to keep things light and happy so we do Helen. Can you make me a covert coffee? Please thank you before we introduce our guest today if you'd like to join our Patriot community we've got all kinds of bonus content. We're talking video swag for joining. It's all there you just head over to Patriot dot com slash ovaries talk. Were even putting up unedited ad free videos of some of our interviews after say some because it's not all but at you have to be at the justice carrier level. Would you this really cool thing where we named every level after? Like you know fertility stuff. It's really look at us. We're so clever. So we shouldn't take credit. It was actually Helen's idea hell add. Let's let's talk about our guest today. Jamie all right. Angela and jess okay. So Angela has been emailing us for years. I mean we love her so much. I she sent the suggestion about doing a financial lots of with molly and that was episode season three episode seven. It was called money and molly and you go back and check that out for some tips. She sent us that those she send us. She also suggested a bunch of questions about the F. LA. Leave that we covered in our legal episode with Tony. That was called your legal questions answered which is in season four episode seven. Go back and check that out because you know. There's some good information in that one for sure young. Angela really gave some good questions there and during the time she started listening she had a baby. It's another ovaries talk baby. I mean we're claiming it and you know and she talked her wife Jess into coming in and they were. Hi Larry US there so funny. I can't even. They're better. They should be hosting this show coming up. They're better than us. Everybody is better than us. So we know that. Yeah that they battled something called. Help Syndrome. H. E. L. L. P. Which you're going to hear about which is scary stuff. Yeah let's roll the interview Xiaohua Jamie. They're still funny. Do you want to pretend like they're in the other room? Yeah Graham in of course we should bring women. I wish they were here with me right now. In my social distance they'd be fun and social distance. Oh Fun I hang out with them. I just WanNa sit and have them make me laugh. So don't think they WANNA hang out us. It's fine all right. Just hell and bring them in recommend. Hello Angela. Ingests high low. How're you were? Okay how are you good for our listeners? We've just had the most hellacious tech setup because these guys are in or you in Cleveland or Cincinnati Cincinnati down in the valley. And we've spent the last half hour getting to know one another while we go. Did you check this? Did you jeff that so we're together now? Reached a place where we think we can go forward with a so. We should tell our listeners that you are a listener who wrote into us about a couple of topics and we were always like those are fantastic ideas and we did those ideas and then we were like. Why are you on our podcast? Got PREGNANT DURING OUR PODCAST. Right and during our podcast. Yes I believe. I wrote a couple of times. Yeah we're best friends. We are pretty much. Bff It feels like it might be time for your thirty. Second Elevator Pitch. Yeah so their second. We were trying to rehearse that last night and I'm always over share so I'm going to try to cut it down a lot. Okay ready on your mark. Get set Justin. I met at Columbus Pride about a decade ago. A little bit longer and we became facebook friends than a few years later. We started talking. What do you know we love each other? We got married and pay down some student loan debt. And then we're like okay. Maybe we should have a baby so we started trying to have a baby took three tries here. He came ten weeks early. He's amazing and we forget what sleep feels like. Oh we got two more seconds be axel you. I mentioned a student Loan Elevator Pitch. I'm sure I wrote to you guys about that. Trying to figure out how to play on your life when you have student loans to pay you one child and you want to buy a house which we actually are in the process of doing so. Yes that's how you gave us Molly Molly Financial Advisor Person. Who spoke to us so anyone? Who hasn't who is talking about the finances go back to. I think it was season. Three her molly. It's so funny and speaking of this topic like our first chapter book deals with. How do you decide how to do this? And it would fit so well in the first chapter book. I didn't want to talk about brokerages. This fresh mind okay. You said a lot of things in there. Let's Delvin yet. Your baby was born ten weeks early. Or do we start and you want to start with how you made. The baby will start there like all normal lesbian couples who liked to do. We did the and it took three tries for us to get pregnant. Well who carry carry. I did Yeah Yeah. I carried his I. I felt a yearning to become a mother but we also have three nephews from her brother. Who's a part of a Christian cult community here in Cincinnati. So that's a whole other podcasts. Let me tell you girl my God. That's a podcast I wanNA hire. I'm bonus content. Yeah so you know as soon as our third nephew was born something just clicked like we had already visited the doctor and I was like okay. I'm ready like you know. We started looking at donors on all the sites in. It's just like they say once you find it it's like this magical thing like we even connected with a donor number and it was like a very personal. You know so wait. Did you just say you were connected with the donor numbers? That's a for whatever reason it walked right. Yeah and it had some numbers in it that kind of relate to our own lives together and then we got to see an adult picture of the donor which I mean. All babies are cute in their own way. We wanted to see what this could possibly look like when he grew up way so the look of the donor was someone who we would be friends with or this. He seemed very kind in his picture and he comes from a mixed background. That was very important to us to like. You know his background. I think is Jewish. She's Russian he's Irish little it and everything you know and one of the reasons he wanted to donate was because he was from such diverse background that he wanted to give that opportunity to other families. So yeah you know. It's a serious decision and it just happened one Sunday. And then you decide to put nine thousand dollars of sperm point. Everything else is in the past airline miles you know. We took some nice vacations home to my parents. Those miles we racked up for sperm totally. It's interesting you can see adult pictures now when we were doing this. There were no adult pictures. But that's the thing now now there are actually adult pictures. Give to pay extra for those. No we didn't but the he donated back in two thousand twelve so that was a while ago and they still had that were. They didn't have his baby. Mostly people want baby photo. They don't want the adult photo so it really rare to have that too. I want the adult picture. Me Too sometimes. A cute baby you know doesn't end up. You know some. Yeah well it was even more difficult to for us because you guys have both went through genetic testing they have. What is it called? It's the blood thing. Cmv negative or positive so negative. The nurses told me is very rare. Oh so that. Limited are limited. Our donors election telephone numbers. So I have a negative donor. So you went and got tested before you bought the sperm and you found that out before you got the sperm. Yes because I wouldn't have even thought to do that. I mean I remember. I thought to do it but my place was just like. Don't worry about that and I was like early huge issues. If you're negative and you're donors positive during the right is something with the canal and mine was. We were opposite. I think I was positive or negative and he was the other one. That's okay that's all right though. It makes it harder certain way that. Yeah Yeah. It was like if she was going to become positive while she was becoming pregnant. That could be the issue if she became positive beforehand than it's fine. She's already seen be positive. Someone who's negative in used? The donor not going to be an issue and just yet but we went to a reproductive endocrinologist so she knew to do all of these tests before we knew what she had gotten all of our group of lesbian ladies pregnant so she knew to get a smackdown. Yeah basically we're like what did you guys do? Can we do? Yeah Dr Yeah totally. Do you do the baby of the House first? And they're like do the baby. I certainly did the began. Yeah I love that. You went to her for both financial advice and later in life coach. Yeah I think everybody needs one of those. Yes but you got pregnant pretty easily then. Third Time Yeah. I was very fortunate that after I had the H. G. Test. Which is the lovely you know below the balloon up your vagina and and and make sure there's no block of ever. Did that is at the Water. One where they run the water through your Do It's Di di. I did have to make sure that they all live your Philippian tubes clear and I go to the worst doctors in the world like any of this firm. I must have been really fertile. I got them because I was. I wasn't getting pregnant. And maybe that's why I did get checked out at the top of the process and they were like everything's great. So maybe that's why I had to get it done multiple times actually and they said it was going to be painful. It wasn't painful for me. Oh I took a valium honey. Really girl you're everything. I took a volume for all new. I know she game. Yes Paul tilted survey thanks to my mother and the doctor was so funny after she got done with the ages de because all my eyes were so painful she comes over and she's like Dr. Yeah to raise your chances of getting pregnant by like flying thirty percent for the next couple of cycles and we actually had a huge mixup with our doctor. Because of course everything fell over Thanksgiving holiday and then Christmas holidays so we there was a huge mix up and we weren't able to try around the Thanksgiving holiday but we tried again in December crossings. Eve She got inseminated. Yes so he's our baby and the sperling lace is only close one day out of the year and it happens to be Christmas so if I was ovulating at the wrong I had to wait a whole other month in January and you just experienced tech issues. I mean if things are gonNA go wrong wrong. So you're nuts so I I'm obsessing over the birth at thirty weeks. Yeah well let me tell you there is no planning. There was no option for us to even you take about okay. What's my plan GONNA BE? It's GonNa be a vaginal birth was plan B. GonNa be it's GonNa be c-section if it's emergency whatever but nothing prepares you for having your kids so early when you're only thirty weeks along. I was having complications. At twenty nine weeks with a lot of rib pain that was kind of radiating all the way from the front to the back and was taking tylenol. You know approved medication for my doctor and some baths and stuff like that. I went in July fourth the holiday of course into my regular doctor's office they ran all the tests and everything and everything came back no protein in my urine. Nothing I just was miserable third trimester pregnant lady. Heartbeats were fine everything. Yeah and then we were on our baby moon. We went out and had a little getaway which was not much of a game five minutes away because I was like. Let's be close to our hospital just soon case. This is the dead of summer. It's fucking hat outside. Every pregnant ladies worst nightmare being outside in the heat. You know you're already swollen. You got candles going on flat funds. I am miserable in the hotel. They had a pool which helped definitely and the nights Jacuzzi. I quit. Natch shake pain and I like what is happening and I just had this. Like motherly gut instinct. I said Babe. Let's go buy a blood pressure. Cuff JUST TO BE SURE. So we buy wait. Wait wait what made you say? Blood pressure cuff with pain. I think we had been kind of forewarned from some other people about pre ECLAMPSIA. And so just kind of hyper aware. She had this feeling that she was GONNA get pre ECLAMPSIA. And because of our be numb. I like everyone's always like you're GONNA get pre ECLAMPSIA you're going to deliver early because you're biggert thing. I'll either way Yeah there might be a slightly increased chance but just because I bay another. It's another measure and other check to make sure that you're okay. You're levels are okay so we buy it. I test myself. I'm like one fifty s over hundreds and I'm like this is ridiculous. It's gotta be the blood pressure machine I put it on. Espn in anche tests. Fine right yeah my okay myself again so I still was high again and then the next day. She's like you know you're not getting any better. I'm going to bring it back home just so we can be close to the hospital and we ended up calling our doctor and she's like no. We just tested you. I'm sure you're fine but go ahead and come into the hospital will triage you. It's GonNa be expensive and we already planned house and I looked at her nose like babe. What is what if this is it like this. I mean I had. We had our hospital bag half back over here where we didn't even know which show up at the hospital and this beautiful blonde which ones but anyway is through She looks like she's like you know. Certain universe on thin. And you know if this were talking. She's taken my blood pressure. Doing all the vitals all that stuff manner even thinking. I would have the baby that week and I was like. Oh how many kids do you have? Oh I have six six. No Way all your laying here like I can fuck and take one right now. So are you again was in the hospital? She was in surgery and she comes out. They've done a blood. The blood drive around she goes. Oh you're going to have your baby this week and I'm lagging developed Help Syndrome. Which is very rare. There's only about twenty thousand cases that happened a year and less than four percent pregnancies. That are even reported in basically it's elevated liver enzymes. There's a bunch of different other stuff but basically it's the most severe form of pre ECLAMPSIA. You could get yeah. She was basically at risk for her brain searing or her livers and her liver and her kidneys to basically functional organ failure. And so had no clue. I mean I was walking just fine and everything but we thought that was just pregnancy as far as you get swollen as as you guys know when you're functioning to write. I don't know what's going to what is normal. What's not so and she wasn't having any contractions or anything it was just like her body was saying. I'm done being pregnant. Could not handle it anymore. So they immediately hooked up to a magnesium drip have any experience. There's no oh I bet. Some unrest nurse have and they will gradually comment they call it the MAG in the hospital. Okay and IT'S AKA liquid fire. And they really do bean liquid fire so it action for you and the baby like you are just burning inside out. Oh my God so delinquency that brought to start my line. Unfortunately it was so swollen. She could not quit. She picked me for anymore with that. Finally got it. Yeah and then. She's like well. You're thirty weeks so you can't have any here because there are certain tiers of Nicu's which are the neo. Natal CARE. Units for babies born under certain age in the hospital. I was at. Don't deliver under thirty. Two weeks was thirty weeks. Actually twenty nine. We're going I had to have a lovely bride blocks away which costs four thousand dollars so what we did over there at this point. I'm still pregnant. You know on the magnesium drip and amazingly enough. It's helping the pain goes away. So can I interrupt you? What did they agree on what the pain was about? That's part of help syndrome. Weren't sure if it was related to her liver enzymes like they thought that her liver capsule or her liver was getting inflamed and that could have caused the red pain they also had some idea that maybe Jona had his like feet up under her ribs or something. They weren't sure all we knew is that the magnesium made it feel better by the only cure for pre. Eclampsia or help syndrome is delivery. There is no cure. There's no magic pill no MAG that you could be on it and you see you can't even be magnesium that long because it will kill you ask for two days or days. Were like a cow on top of a cow. Like if a Coweta cal and I imagine you're semi Heynen really well because you're on fire yet so you're getting all the rest you needed right up to delivery. A CO worker. Told me about her experience of Bang Museum about two weeks before I delivered. Jona so I kinda had an idea from her based on her experience and she was like. Oh yeah had to have ice packs all over my body because I was just burning and so we finally figured out after how many hours in the Labor and delivery at this other hospital that if anche put like wet wash cloth ice wash cloths on my body for ten minutes and just rotated him. I actually felt somewhat comfortable. Fignon hit me. I started shaking foam ago like it was too much. Yeah how on the MAG for forty eight hours. And they kept taking her blood. Yes you've got to steroid shots in the blood Jonas lungs developers rough yeah so on the MAG for forty eight hours and then they took her off because her levels were stabilizing and they said okay. So we think you're responding really well. We'll put you on bed rest in. You'LL BE ON BED. Rest for may be the next week or two at home. No type pardom anti-apartheid the ticking time bombs. You could say women. Don't wait further. It's like in the morning and all these doctors are just like they. They do their rounds. So you never get any sleep and the doctors come in there like we purchase shocked that you are still pregnant like you know. We thought that you would not be pregnant anymore. One of the first artists to come in with like you're GonNa have your baby on Tuesday or Wednesday. Wednesday was birthday so things are happening so it had been twenty four hours off of the magnesium. I had the repaint comeback in came back tenfold And basically very quickly Jonelle was delivered emergency section and I couldn't be in the room because they had given her a shot of blood thinners because they thought she was going to be on bed rest so in in the fall happened at shift change so are hatching all under anesthesia generally under So definitely freaking out. Yeah she was. Wheeled away at some nurse led me into a hallway. And it's like you can be okay. I thought she was gonNA sing with me. I was like I just need to make a few phone calls. Right gotTA call. My parents got a call. My best friends one of my aunts was going to be our Dula and then the nurse was gone because shift change had happened. She was off shift. So I'm standing alone waiting for somebody to come out and tell me that Jesse's alive and OK that Jona is alive and okay. They finally wheel Jona out and his little isolate and I see him and you know. That's a shocker. Because he came out at two pounds three point nine ounces. He was very small he had the CPAP machine are in and they're about to wind. Don't down to the nick you. I didn't know that I could go with him to the nicky. Nobody told me that and I didn't know where to go to wait for information on just because they were still finishing up the c section on her. Eventually I got some news from the doctors at everything went. Great Jess was fine. And then I was able to go and see Jonah and the nick you then just had to go back on magnesium for hours to days up because it wants you develop helps germ you also can still become Preah. Clamped are at that point. It clamped Dick for up to six weeks after you deliver. I don't want to scare anybody but no one around me has ever had a preemie baby. No we had no idea what to expect. This baby has just been taken from you. I mean you go through a huge surgery I think I saw like seventy percent of women who give birth prematurely they end up with PD or pa but we got very fortunate. That Jona is Italian and in a very mixed strong jeans feisty when he came out he came out screaming and very vocal and he never had to be intimate and his hall. Forty seven day stretch in the nick you. He was considered a feeder grower. Yes so he just had to gain weight and get bigger so we were able to take him. Home weighed four pounds twelve ounces. I think it was four ounces something like that. He was so tight but he was just adorable. And of course we're completely in love. Ct. Hey Robin Yep you know what? I'm super excited about for mother's Day this year. No I don't I have a feeling you're going to tell me though I am. So here's what happened last year. I got my mom. Subscription to story worth online service tendencies weekly thought provoking questions to her so that she can write down her memories or stories and your personal thoughts. And here's the fun thing at the end of the year story. Were takes all those questions all those answered questions in any photos that she included and bounce them in a keepsake book and then ship it to you for free so get a book. I'm getting a book soon. Is it bouncers it binds probably but I like bounce as I think that's fun and also by the way back to story worth that is really cool. I mean it's such a great way to engage with your mom especially now that you know. We all have to stay away from each other you know. They'll the social distancing crud. Yeah no I know and one of the questions they asked was. What's your favorite joke and trying to write out this long drawn out joke. That also includes this Italian accent with Larry. I mean. This joke is a class. It's a family classic. We've heard her many many times but having it written down is is kind of priceless. Because it's funny and I'm just really excited to have all these pieces of my mom written down I can keep forever and I can share it with my kids. It really. It's it's really special is so special is just such a great idea for mother's Day gift for all of our listeners. And and just like you said like the idea of keeping these things these stories alive. I love it so if you guys still have a mother I mean I don't Too soon too soon. The person who would get that joke the most as my mother. But for those of you who do you should get this from other. Sam telling you give your mom the most meaningful gift. This year with story worth get started right away without the need for shipping by going story worth dot com slash obt. And you're going to get ten dollars off your first purchase. That's amazing that story worth dot com slash. Oct for ten dollars off and then a year. You're going to get a book. Go Dude Seriously. Make some memories. Make those memories lucky for me. I got readmitted with re pain. Oh she and yeah we. We were very hyper aware of everything that just was experiencing and we thought she was having symptoms of ECLAMPSIA again turns out. It was just gallstones. So she had to get her gallbladder taken out but merely that house a really common when you're pregnant because of who he is when you give birth you lose weight really quickly your body's changing much that sometimes it can just what you guys are like you guys are dealing with a preemie being like in the hustle for so many days and then another sickness. While you're still recovering I mean what was that even like for both like for you just and but also for you enter. You had to feel helpless. I can't even imagine no. I don't know how to even answer that Robin because I look back and think how did I make it through because there are so many things like. We were scheduled that money to take llamas classes. He was born Wednesday. Like I what. I didn't even get that experience us. all of the baby showers which were scheduled were all cancelled the number four. And you know I didn't get to experience being pregnant for forty weeks. You know I mean. Obviously that's miserable part of it but still. I absolutely loved my bump by loved somewhat. Being pregnant is a double edged sword. You now I had a lot of private cry sessions. I experienced a lot of worry. Just because the nick you really sends you home saying keep your baby in isolation as long as possible. Because when they're born so early they don't have as much time to get those in from the mother that they would when they're in the womb. So we were basically saying to don't come and visit unless you've gotten shot could come. Hell come an alcoholic through all this is amazing. I was breastfeeding. You guys have had a lot of trauma. That's a lot of trauma became out which is great on on a good good. Yeah well Jonas doing while. We're in a one bedroom apartment but we just we have a contract on a house so hopefully we'll house monk excited king gives you into bedroom. Currently he sleeps in the living room. That's what we had a one bedroom when my first daughter was born and so we had the crib set up in the living room. And then we'd a pack and play in the bedroom so we would put her to bed in in the bedroom and then we would transfer her when we went to bed but it was like we always had that the exact same time 'cause she would wake up and it was just like when we finally got into a two bedroom we were like. I can stay up and you can go to bed. It was like because you were just like. I guess we're going to bed now and the two of you know wander off. It was like a pain in the Badu Bs. That's definitely a pain in the early. One thing you guys mentioned like struggling a little bit with postpartum in that as a non bio mom you went through to can you guys talk a little bit about that. Yeah well just as experienced with certainly more traumatic than mine but I definitely had to sit down in like give voice to my own feelings of postpartum anxiety because I became the sole provider. And I won't do this experience where I almost lost my wife and I almost lost my child and now I couldn't spend the time that I wanted to with my family because I needed to work and make sure that they were okay and it was just. It was a lot it very overwhelming to fill this role that I was not prepared for growing up because I thought I was going to be a stay at home parents. I thought that I was going to give birth to six. Children flew out the window. It was a lot and I needed to talk to somebody about it. Because I didn't want to take it out on. Just because she was experiencing so much more pain and struggle than I was because she and gone through this traumatic birth. She was staying at home with John as she knows giving up a career to do this and I didn't WanNa bird in her with all of my feelings and when I got to a point where I was starting to be mean to her and Take out my frustrations on her and I was like okay. I'm just going to call my e. Ap LINE THROUGH WORK. The employee assistance program and get set up with a counselor. So I've been going to see one for a while now which has helped and I don't think we talk about it enough as women and support each other enough for Postpartum Depression. Like same kind of situation for me. I mean I was dealing with so much I was angry to the I was pissed off. She was raw. I was robbed of a lot of things and it was no one's fault particular. It was my body you know I mean. Imagine that your body gave out. Yeah it just didn't want to be pregnant and so I felt like I let my son down. I felt like he's in there because of me But anyway so. I recognize that I needed medication. And while I'm not a big pill taker you know it did help in. It's the lowest dosage that you could take but highly recommend that you know you check in with your friends that are pregnant and postpartum. We don't talk about it enough. I mean I had what twenty four prenatal visits and one postpartum visit and they ask you one survey about how you feel. That's not enough for women valid. Point your it's very true. I'm pretty sure I had some postpartum and I just I just didn't think that it I didn't think I had it because nobody really delved in enough for me and I think that I probably could use some help in that. I at least six months after he was born. Yeah there's just a darkness. I think they came in. And you just feel like you're supposed to feel all this joy and maybe you don't feel it and you're in you're just in you're tired feeling tongue. Just won't go away. And then maybe fighting with your person and you know it's like all that yeah and I just didn't know you know. I didn't realize that what I was experiencing could be actually symptoms postpartum and I need. I needed somebody to say to me. I think you might be suffering from something. 'cause I'm not gonNA say it myself. Yeah so I think you're right. I think it's really important. And there's such a stigma about the around taking medication and you know it's a chemical our brains it's not related to who you are as a person or how strong you are or anything like that. It is a chemical in your brain. That needs a little bit of help to you know it. Lower your amount of anxiety and depression it just. There's nothing to be ashamed of if you have to take medication at all. Yeah and it's safe. She could exclusively pump the whole time and still takes off. It was safer Jonah right but also just from what we're witnessing. It looks like you guys have a very strong relationship. You could just see it in the way that you guys are talking to each other. So we're Italian harden we love. Hold on Jamie. My sister's texting me. Does she wants to tell everyone about amber waves new hot flash mode. It sounds like it's helping her with Menopausal side effects. That's cool actually. Is Anything to keep me from. Hearing about how hard menopause is for her. I'm serious and for those of you who don't know because not just for people with menopause. The m-wave is the first bracelet that helps you feel colder or warmer at the press of a button which I need all the time and it works with your body and mind in. It makes you feel more comfortable in a matter of minutes. Yeah no it really is cool. It's Bay from offensive. How your mind and body respond to temperature sensations and I'm actually glad for you that they added a man. I'm I love it so much that I actually bought a new one after my sister stole mine for me and I use it to help me fall asleep not for Bosnia me. I press the button and it helps me. Maintain a comfy temperature is II blissfully drift off to sleep. Yeah you might have to start using a hot flash mode you better seriously slow it down on a Punchy. Right upside the head. Actually you know. I love amber waves. Because it's unseasonably cold right now for Abram and this House I'm staying is freezing. It's always cold in here. And the amber wave is really helping me stay comfortable. Well listen for all you folks at home who want an ember wave and it should be all of you. I think now through Mother's Day you can receive fifty bucks off your order as part of embers site-wide Mother's Day sale. All you have to do is head to ember. Wave Dot com slash obt and that's the MB R. W. A. V. E. dot com slash. That'S EMBER WAVE DOT COM slash O. C. T. and you're gonNA receive fifty dollars off your order this mother's Day. There's two bucks off. I'm assuming you guys are taking a breath before you have a second. I've told Jesse's not allowed to get pregnant again because help syndrome survivors also have a higher likelihood of developing helps and am. I know they don't have the research suggests we could still do it. All you know right now is bring wait until it can wipe zone but not my and I'm still wiping off. She can do it. I just don't choose not to choose for her too. 'cause I'd rather make sure my daughter's almost eleven I think it's just starting to get clean now growth. Yes Oh great. June is already and have to crazy needs to share that burden west already. Al Jess in the beginning. Were you planning on carrying two kids or were you just doing one and then seeing what was going to happen that's part of the mourning process because I wasn't prepared to only have one? I definitely thought that there's a possibility that I could have to. She was okay with that so I thought oh I could have another kid and obviously with everything that happened. I have one and I'm very lucky our and we're very fortunate to be alive. Yes you are well. I can't wait until you have another baby on our show. And then we bring you show maybe not having. Yeah although that'd be a I like did when it say as someone who works in a hospital for two women who are having a baby you can both be put down as moms usually on the birth certificate so we are both on Jonas birth certificate and in the hospital electronic medical records you can also both be listed. His mother and I would highly recommend that you push to do that because it is going to save you a lot of frustration when you are bringing your child back for more visits because they want the parents listed in the Emr to be the ones to make decisions so if you are both not in there as his parents or as your child's parents you are going to have to get more documentation to show that you're both the parents in order to make decisions so as listeners. If you were having a child make sure that you fight for you and the non bio parents to be down all the documentation so everybody at home listening. If those forms are not up to date you talk to somebody there. You make sure they do. Thank you guys so much. This was so wonderful. It took us a minute to get you in here but it was so worth it this is a guy. We're going to need updates. So yeah I posted. He can't wait to see pictures. I feel like every holiday. I'm going to be like God. I hope they're all right. Every every holiday we only wish you all the best health and happiness and good luck in a new house and it's super exciting. I'm so glad everything turned out. Okay for you guys yes. Thank you. Thank you so much who is ladies? Just love them. I love them and listen. That Help Syndrome is no joke. But also you know. It's no joke jess like Angela made. It seem like she's like a tiny little flower. Who's never gonNA WANNA be on air? And then she comes in like. 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Ozark Recap Season 3 Episode 7: In Case of Emergency

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Ozark Recap Season 3 Episode 7: In Case of Emergency

"Things are starting to unravel. We knew this would happen. But it's happening now on ozark season three episode seven own world. Where your friends and coworkers don't understand your movie or TV obsession obsession where you just want someone anyone to share your binge-watching watching it. Shannon and Faye drew are here for you. Your wait is over. Stinger starts now now now now I everyone I'm Shannon and I'm fader welcome to Stinger. Tv movie podcast. We talk about TV and movies although if you have been tuning in not really tuning in because we're not on the radio but if you've been listening in you know that we have been dedicating all of our episodes to. Ozark season three so we used to have a podcast devoted just to ozark and we decided. Let's just folded all in here where we can talk about everything exactly. So how are you? Today I'm good? I found eggs isn't that isn't that weird. The it's kind of a state imagine. Let's say someone discovers our podcast six months from now and they'll be like a was. She's so excited to find eggs. People are not gonNA forget this we're under quarantine and I thought how quickly things change when you're like. Oh my God. This store has eggs. Yeah eggs milk butter. Those were the main things that we needed. That was really what I was going out for. Creamer for my husband's coffee eggs butter milk and like two hundred dollars later on right. Because you're like I don't know I feel like in this day and age we reward ourselves with like. Oh let's go to the movies or let's go eat or let's and we don't have anything to reward ourselves with and so it's food and drink food and alcohol. I saw news news story that alcohol sales increase. I don't know something crazy. Like five hundred percent or something like that like everybody's just. What does that say about us? You know eating day drinking. Well there's nothing else to do you know we've been lucky because we live in a very rural area and a lot of people sell eggs so there's like a local woman that I know and I can just go to her basically. She keeps a cooler outside her house. And you money. You don't even have to interact. Just take your eggs and that's the best kind of. Yeah it's great. They're all organic and everything. It's Nice but the one thing I haven't been able to find his flower so that's probably good because now I'm not baking making what we found. We have flour and we went to this tiny. Little grocery store is not tiny. But it's like it's not the main grocery store in town and the bread flour. So yeah we're going to be those carbs in the car and even like you're sitting in my office and it granted it's like dinner time now even though we eat dinner later and I look over and I see this little bottle of dessert wine that I bought from a winery a couple years ago and I never opened. Because I'm like oh I'm saving it and all of a sudden I went. Yeah I think I think today is the day I've been saving it for the day. Yes and I said. Oh I don't have anything to drink it out of and I found this. I have this little Yeti wine It's like a wine tumbler. Here it listen. Can you hear that? What are you drinking today? Say Cheers at. Can you hear cheering? Cheer might be really bad on the PODCAST. I don't know but I've got. I've got some Mike's hard lemonade. Not Loving it. But we don't have any alcohol alcoholic. I I like wine. I will drink wine but I prefer mixed drink okay. I don't have any of that at the moment. Seydoux Vodka but if I'm drinking vodka. I'm making a dirty Martini. And that's like a production so I'm like that might be a weekend drink for me. Have you seen Melanie? Miller our friend Melanie now Nelson. Yes she was. A guest on one of our podcast. She was and she is doing. Facebook lives every day pouring drinks different drinks. Which is so much fun. Yes yes Well Hey while we are drinking. Let's invite our listeners in. Tell us what you've been doing while you're listening to our podcast. We would love to know because I normally assume that people listen while they're on their way to work in the car there at the gym working out going for a run and I don't think any of that's happening. Yeah great idea. So are you just love to know what you guys are doing? Are you just day drinking or I know some people working from home they kind of just put it on in the background while there? I guess doing busy work but whatever we would love to know how you invite us into your lives and you know what you're drinking. Maybe it's coffee in the morning. I don't know so. Let's hear from some of our listeners. We've got some great feedback. We have Michael sent an email in regarding episode five and the Cigar Symbol. He said the cigar symbol refers to meeting Wilkes as assistant. Jim Wendy met him at a Cigar Club and leaves. Jim Takes a big puff of a stookey which I didn't really catch that. Okay but rise did think that maybe it was that scene because it felt like it was some sort of club like a club or something. I remember is that right. Yes but I didn't specifically recall the smoking so okay thank you Michael. I love this. I love the everybody has their on different details. I know it's awesome. Well then we have Peter who has emailed several times he says that the shootout now this talking about last episode episode sexy ending shootout was the cartel which is what we suspected what you suspect it and I didn't really give much thought to Weirdly but it was the cartel as retribution for castrating the horse so the rival cartel the goodness card. Okay and and we'll talk about that in episode seven right. It is confirmed that it is the cartel. I'm not sure I agree with the reason. Okay but we'll we'll talk about that more okay great and we got this very nice email from Jay from California Jay being the letter J and they said just wanted to drop a quick message saying how much I'm enjoying the coverage of ozark on that. I really appreciate all the time and work you to invest. That's so sweet. Because I think one of the podcast. I was sort of like half complaining. About how long it takes us to do this but they say. I have something to look forward to every day. Thanks to you. All loving the Ruth. Impersonations day drinking cheers. And when you all say beachell walk you laughed messed it up do it again? Michoacan? I think we're GONNA have to find more occasions to Work Mitchell alcon into our conversation. Well Jay thank you. This really brightened my day. Because I was having a bad day you know this morning I got up and I flipped my calendar April April first and literally just took a white out to everything on the calendar and it made me sad to see the things the missing. I'm going to be missing and my kids are going to be missing and things like that so it was really really nice yet. Your feedback thank you. We we love the feedback. And if you would like to send us your feedback we would love to hear it will include it in our podcast. We've got email. Which is how most people have been leaving US comments Stinger podcast at gmail.com? Or if you think you've got a voice for radio we would love to hear you. Three one five stink TV three one. Five seven eight four six four eight eight. That's our google voice number and you could just leave a message about anything that you want to say any feedback you have about this episode or some that we've already talked about and we'll play it on the air we would love to hear from you and you can connect with us on social media twitter and instagram. We are at Stinger podcast. We're also Stinger podcast on facebook. And what else is on facebook? Shannon facebook we have two excellent discussion groups. Ozarks dirty laundry obviously devoted his Ark and our TV and movie discussion with Stinger Group. Which covers anything. Your heart desires right so in fact we frequently poll people in there and say what he watching people come in and say. I just started binging. This show anybody else seen it so I have two shows that I'm watching right now specifically because people were talking about it in that group. Yes yes yes so anyway. That's great but it is time now to go to Missouri Con. We're not going to Miss Ya con. We're going to the show me state of Missouri and talking. We're GONNA talk about episodes Evan. This episode opens with Ruth being interrogated. Now not waterboarded. Nothing crazy. She's at the police station with Maya and Trevor of the FBI agents. And Helen is there. Is there Protecting her representing her. I guess during this and she does make the statement that they're here voluntarily so ruth wasn't arrested or brought in or anything obviously she. They know that she has had some dealings. They've seen her in the casino with Tommy and Frank Junior and they want to know what she knows about. These guys getting gunned down and the truck full money blowing up Robert Really puts the pressure on and Ruth is tough and he says look. We already know that. Casey mob moves money for bird enterprises and he's threatening ruth but where? I got confused is that he said the truck was a hundred miles from the casino. And I don't really understand like. Is that the norm. I I always got the impression that wherever they were doing this drop. It wasn't like Super Far Away from ozark. I know ozarks. Not the name of the town but you know what? I mean right Yeah does that normal or what? I didn't find that odd. Because Sh- ruth have been talking many times about moving the location making sure there was no pattern or anything so I feel like there was something in episode six. Where he's she said to them. We're going to meet at the drive in and he's like what are you crazy. That's so far away and she's like you know fuck you were doing it anyway. Okay but I guess what I'm asking. Is they the? Fbi is saying you regularly do business with this. Trucking company like they bring in supplies. Let's say in quotes for the Casino and he's saying why would you have been meeting them one hundred miles from the casino and I guess my question is anytime they've had their meeting? Has It always been a far distance from the casino like I always assumed it was somewhere? But we're saying maybe it was fifty miles out now. She made it one hundred miles out or something like that. Okay do we know a? I don't know all right so you guys help us out here because this is this is something that we had some about. And maybe like for Ruth in the episode where they locked her in the back of the truck took her out somewhere just dropped her off. I mean maybe that makes more sense that she's fifty miles out of town and has no way to get back. I don't know I was just confused about that. So you're thinking that when they're doing okay. I just feel like we have a different idea of what's happening like. Are you thinking that when they're doing business with the trucking company that they're like delivering supplies? I thought that yes they do that. But these drops were just solely secretive drops of money that no one's supposed to know about so they could be. They need to be away from the Casino. Okay I guess I just didn't pick up on that because when I was watching the scene I was thinking wait. Did they move the truck one hundred miles away but I guess they just always been out of town for these drops and I think okay. Sorry to waste it ruins time. I mean I could be wrong. Okay so next. We see Frank and Marty in their cars in a parking lot somewhere. Talking and frank is yelling at Mardi Mardi tells them that the lagunas cartel was responsible for this. There's a cartel war. This is what's happening as I suspected. Es and he says and he said well. I thought they don't normally do business. You know north of the border and frank's not Frank Marty says well. It crossed the border because Tommy was talking to the feds Right I don't know if he said it at this point I don't think Mardi knew that at this point. No I think that was a little bit later. Yes but I at this point. I'm like well. That's why it crossed the border and Marty is trying to calm frank down. And he's saying I am not a patient man. Mardi get your fucking house in order and but the biggest thing I took away from that scene is like why are they both driving such shitty cars. I mean Franks mob boss. And what's he driving like Lincoln towncar and not even like a new one? I mean that's sort of a mob car but I mean I think Mardi driving an olds cutlass or something. Yeah well you're not supposed to flaunt your money if you're like okay. Yes but Dr like a nice Hyundai Sonata shoving right there. You don't be Su. Yes yeah spoiler see. I'm not really clear on the still. I'm still trying to figure this out because if the lagunas cartel wants the Navarro cartel to go down. Wouldn't they want Tommy to talk? To- that's that's a very good point. Why did the LAGUNAS cartel shoot up? Those people was strictly to torch the money. I mean they didn't know I mean I don't know how much they know about the business dealings. Did they know it was the Kansas City mob? And Not Mardi. I don't I don't know I don't know either and it seems a little odd to me even I think it was Peter's comment. That said that it was retribution. For the Horse still wouldn't they? I mean that money is going. I guess I'm not really clear the trail of the money. I thought that money that money is coming from the mob to ruth. Ruth is taking the money. I need someone to explain. All of this money exchange. I thought Ruth was supposed to be paying those guys off to keep the mob quiet but in a previous episode we saw them giving her bags of money so our she laundering money for them. And that's the payment that's keeps them happy because they're laundering money at the casino for the mob and still. Why does the cartel care? And how does this hurt Marty? I agree with all of those questions. I don't know and so again this is why Shannon and I will never be caught in a money laundering operation because we would be like what am I. Not Smart Devices to deal with this money It was funny because in season one when my husband and I I watched Ozark we. There was one episode. You remember where he explains. Jona how money laundering works. Yes okay yes so then I. We rewound Matt and watched it like four times. We're like okay. Wait a minute. Wait actually really launder. The money like wash the money and I'm like wait. It's just a a figure of speech. They literally wander the money. I mean I get it. It's just I think in a nutshell it's trying to put large sums of money through legitimate channels and that's how you end up saying Oh this. This pencil costs five thousand dollars. You remember that with a with a cat right well. No not even that. I'm talking about our own. Us government where if you start looking at the balance sheets and you'll see like a toilet cost thirty thousand. Oh Yeah Yeah. And it's clear that money gets buried all the time because they don't expect people to really go back and start like wait a minute. That doesn't sound right. Yeah so yeah. It's just putting dirty money through legitimate channels but it did take me a while to figure out how that could actually work so just to speak to your point of how we will never be successful. Money Launderer right and when Marty was down in maybe it was Michelle Walken. At Navarro's house could have been and he and the there's a red flag on that one offshore account in Panama. And he says well I gotTa do this this and this and this I like my eyes just glazed over Mardi fixed. It may exactly exactly okay. So after Mardi frank other little encounter we cut to Charlotte. Yeah and Jona. Yes and just Jones saying how he just witnessed this massacre. And he said are you okay? And he's like yet. Is that weird? And that's when I realized nobody knows that he saw the whole thing right at any actually has footage of it too. Yep that's gotta be useful at some point. Yeah could be there. There's a very brief comment. Where Charlotte says errant won't text her back so either. Helen still has her phone and she's grounded or whatever. I don't know why that comment was there but it could be significant. Oh right right okay. I didn't think about that. We don't know so. We see Ben at the police station. This episode they do a really good job of just slowly painting. This picture of what happens to Ben. When he's not on his meds yes good. He's clearly starting to lose it like she's been in there for hours what's going on and he's getting more and more exasperated and I wrote in my notes. He's going to blow Rome. Eat while we knew we knew this. Yes we've known this for quite some time but ruth remains cool under pressure until and she's still cool but Evan Evans plants a seed Trevor Evans the FBI agent about her about cade being killed. Yeah and she just said No. I'll answer this. You don't know booking thing about me. And my daddy and she just basically shuts him down and to be fair. None of us really know the true story that is true. And but he's planted a seed. They're on the seat continues to grow in this episode because he says this is the cost of loyalty to. Mardi bird and that comes into play at the very end of the episode. I won't jump ahead but we'll come back to the cost of loyalty to Mardi Bird right right well. Ben Finally gets to talk to Ruth and he tells her his story He says you know Wendy left when she was eighteen years old. I spent most of my life my mets so he's trying to convince her he'll be fine. I don't really think so. I just have to say though. I wish I looked up the name of the actor who plays Ben because he was such a poignant scene you know he says he says you know she left when she was eighteen. She has no idea he clearly has some resentment towards Wendy. He said he spent most of his life off his meds and just the way he can tear up and just like wipe his eyes with the back of his hand. It was just such a poignant scene Yes really really been you know. I thought he was excellent in this episode. Yep He has been. He's been one of my favorites along so then we had Helen. Helen is talking to Marty and says you know you need to work faster. You need to get my In your pocket and then the phone rings Wendy's there to Wendy's phone rings and she doesn't answer it says blocked call so she. I guess assumes it's Navarro and she doesn't answer then it rings again and Helen picks it up on Helen's phone. Oh Really Yes oh. I thought that the first phone was Wendy's. The second phone was Helen. Helen picks it up and she gives her up immediately. That more sense she's right here. Yeah okay I thought he called again on Wendy's foam. Helen just picked it up. It was like you're gonNA talk to him. Okay okay yes got it well. Wendy has some words for Navarro. She tells him Marty and I are the brand. We are your shield if our brand gets damaged sodas your safety net and deemed the balls on this woman to talk to him. That way. Del I I don't know I don't know where she has her second because we had someone in our ozark group on facebook who is just now watching season two and she made a comment. Something like wow. She has wendy balls or something like that like she was referring to. Wendy really being ballsy and I've just like yeah this weight. 'cause RE Wendy compared to season to Wendy. Yeah yes she's being pretty forward with Navarro but He's like your brand and but it's clear by the end that he's he has listened to what she said. Yeah he is listening his which I can't I just find a little bit. I find it a little bit unrealistic. How much he trusts her and has just brought her in. I mean I guess it has been months probably closer to a year that they've been dealing with each other but I'm just I'm just not sure I buy it. I feel like Navarro is not a very accurate character. Based on what Shannon your experience with drug lords what I did the last time on a drug lord he was very receptive to what I had to say. This My Gosh okay. I think he should just be meaner and more like I don't need you right in. Unless he was like enamored of Wendy like thought I duNNo. I just don't see I don't see it I don't know but can we. Can we go to the next scene because it was so? That was a good scene. I had gone so sue. The therapist shows up in a can't quite identify the car. I feel like it was a McLaren but I'm not positive but it's a really like bright yellow like not the kind of car that and she later reveals that she got like one hundred grand for Mardi. I'm not even sure that one hundred grand would cover that car but he comes and he goes. What's this and she goes? It's a car and he said it's a transformer to send it back and he tells her. Please get back in the toy and leave. Yeah I spoke to you about conspicuous spending. Yes how stupid can she be well? We'll find out well. She starts talking about the attack. You know the truck bombing and she's like what's this us like she's of it. There's no us like right away right. Yeah no she needs. Yeah why she even stop by. I mean what she really be that stupid. I mean it was good. It made for good entertainment but what she really be that stupid and then stopped by the House to flaunt it. Yeah I do not care. It was still entertaining. It was it was well. What is next Wendy and Ben? Yes so well before Wendy even enters. Ben is down in basement packing. Oh yeah he's frantically packing and I'm thinking wow he sounding sort of paranoid right now and I'm wondering if this is like a manic episode that he's experiencing seems that way. Yeah so when it comes downstairs you know the kids go upstairs like let's tell mom. Wendy comes downstairs and you know. He's like he's talking to Wendy. He pointed her and you could see his finger shaking. Yup and I just. I felt so sorry for him. He did a really good job in that scene. Did you. How did you feel towards Ben in that scene I I was tense. See I'm just getting a little scared of him because I know this is obviously building to something and it's kind of scaring me and I just want everything to be okay. I think we know where this is going. I think Ben is going to have well. I definitely have some predictions by the end of the episode. But I think Ben is going to end up killing somebody or something significant got pretty violent. Something violent yeah I go there based on the way we were introduced to him in the first place. We've said that before. Yeah so what I liked about this episode though is that there were a lot of secrets revealed so because I think the next scene is Marty is talking to the FBI agents. Right and Helen. Helen Right yes and they revealed. Tommy was working with the feds and I think that Trevor assumed that they knew that he assumed that they figured out that he was working with the feds. That's why Marty was behind. This and Marty is shocked. He had no idea yes they think. Marty is responsible for the mob hit so that they couldn't rat him out for the arson on the casino boat right exactly yes which could easily will exonerate Marty. But kind of but both he and Helen. You can see they're like Oh my God. What did he tell them? Wait a minute wait a minute what I think. Just put something together here k if the FBI thinks that. Marty ordered that hit because Tommy was working with the FBI so they wouldn't blame Mardi for the arson on the Casino. Maybe that was the cartels reasoning. They made the cartel kill those guys because they knew the FBI would think it was Marty. That's how they get to Marty I don't that's how they pin it on Marty. I'm not sure that just kind of popped into my head when I was thinking through all this the thing is. We don't know why we don't know why that happened was it. Was it a message to Marty? Was it a message to the Navarro cartel wasn't a message to Tommy talking to the feds. I don't know it doesn't really make sense yet. 'cause I'm just not sure. How would the lagoon cartel know that? Tommy was talking to the fat like Thomas. Not even in the cartel. You telling me that the lagoons cartel who's in a war with the Navarro cartel is monitoring everything that's going going on in fucking lake the ozarks exactly and it's not sure that that and let's go that if it was the the lagunas cartel they were following. Marty for days and then suddenly they just leave Marty alone and go to this drop spy. Think they sat Mardi up. I think maybe they set Mardi up because of Mardi goes down. Navarro goes down okay. Y'All help come might be help. We need help. We need Okay Frank and Ruth. Oh excuse me frank junior and ruth And he's kind of losing it with Ruth but she now knows that Tommy was a snitch. Yep and Maya is kind of in the background watching everything I think. She sees frank junior as a weak point. Because he's crazy hot head but more importantly she sees Sam as a weak point. Because Sam of course not smart and. I don't know why Wendy wouldn't affect her that in to refresh your memory. Sam is the real estate agent who inherited all the life insurance money from his mother and is now set to gamble and lose at the Casino and of course he played it kind of like a nervous. Nellie when he should've just said I'm gambling there's nothing illegal about it and I'm losing money. There's nothing illegal about that either. Exactly he does. He says right since she thinks she can scare him did and if it were you and I doing it. I think we probably would have been like. Oh I wasn't doing anything wrong rattled either. One of US would have been like aunt your point like we like we wouldn't Chandler Ruth which your point right right. Yeah so Sam Calls Marty. And he's like. Hey you know they want. They want all my financials they want to expect all my money and Marty's like they can't do that they have no reason that go home leave me alone Sam right off. Yeah then Oh gosh than bad scene case as soon as she walked out. We're talking about reactor as soon as she walked out a well. I mean that's camera angles. That's how they do it. Yeah I I knew. I'm like Oh shit. Something's going to happen yet. I thought home was GonNa grab her or something but it was worse than that Frank. Junior beat the snot out of her. Yes and she's in. The hospital severely injured broken. Ribs had internal bleeding. They had to do surgery but she will recover abandoned. Wendy Martier all there at the hospital. three comes out and says okay you can go see her now and Ben goes in and then we have Mardi and Wendy talking in the waiting room and Marty says you know this thing with my is not working out. It's not moving very quickly and Wendy says I might have an end around right but in a nice that they're on the same team. Yeah at least for these few seconds of the episode. Yeah because it changes it changes but at that point I mean come on. Do we really want to see Wendy? Mardi go their separate ways. They're better other. No Yeah I don't we get to a Helen Erin. Seen and I'm thinking okay. This is GONNA BE JUICY. But it wasn't really juicy. It was really just Helen talking to Erin about Tommy and you know errands kind of like I just. I just saw him two days ago and Helen thinks it would be best if she goes back to Chicago and I think it would be best if she goes back to Chicago. She says I don't really want to go back. I'd rather stay here because all my friends. Are you know summer programs and I would just be hanging around with Dad's girlfriend and they sort of like a bonding moments. They're talking about gaps in Vegan cheese. Yes exactly and I'm wondering though if errands going to start digging you think. I'm still not sure where the hell are going with. Aaron's character I just don't know she's got to be leverage at some point leverage against Helen. Four Helen. I don't know yeah yeah well three goes to tell Wyatt. That risks in the hospital is like did you get taxed in why it's like a. I I with I thought he genuinely just didn't give a shit it. He was just kind of sitting there at the table with his head in his hands. And he's like well you know. Thanks for telling me okay. Fine But then we see he's kind of thinking it over and then we have more on that later right right not later right and at that point though. I'm wondering three know what Ruth did no because he keeps okay. What happened between you two three okay? Free they don't want three two. Okay okay so why. It knows but three doesn't know right right all right. Then we get a really good scene between Mardian frank with their shitty cars again and Marty's basically like just go to town on Frank over what Frank Junior did to ruth and frank is like he was out of line. It was wrong and he saying. Remember what you said. Mardi COOLER HEADS COOLER HEADS. Marty's like fuck that you can't control your son and you didn't know Tommy was the Snitch your fucking liability and were done and I'm like can you really do that with the mob. I mean well I don't know but I was like go marty again. I just love. It's a combination of the character of Marty Bird and Jason Bateman execution of it but just the the dryness the matter of fact and the non emotion that he doesn't mean he gets heated. Sure but it's always call just ask controlled very very awesome. He's always simmering not boiling. Yes and you know. It's really funny. So I watched him in arrested development and he's the same character just on the humorous side right and it's funny because it's like the same thing but this is you know I don't know I wonder if he's really liked that I think it is. I talked to my sister about this before and she was like. Oh it's just Jason Bateman playing himself over and over all right next scene. Is Wendy meeting with someone? We don't know who this is new character. I just said meeting with a hotshot about her foundation. It's clearly someone with connections Political ambitions and. I'm wondering if this is someone that's related to the FBI in some roundabout way because she said she may have a workaround. Oh interesting Yep I don't know but it's clearly someone who has ambitions. I don't know what his role is and again. This is when it gets a little like business in over my head because she starts talking about a company. I think called Blink. Check blinked. Check this I do know what this is okay. I do know what this is. This is the company that Marty went to Maya with and said. Hey you good. You guys couldn't catch them. Oh here's the information. I can get them for you and Maya's like I'm sorry. You can't pretend that you're working for the you can't take the deal without taking the deal and she shut it down so he gave that information to Wendy and Wendy is giving it to this guy because apparently this guy can use it against this company. Okay but hold on. So does that mean. This guy is Maya's boss because remember Maya later says. Oh you you went and gave it. You gave it to my boss or whatever she says hospital. Oh because Wendy gave it to this guy who then gave it to. I don't think so. I think that was. That was a whole separate thing we did. She say that later. Maya does at the hospital okay. Then I think what's happening here is this. Is this guy that when he's talking to is a politician. He's because she she talks to him about you. Want to be elected. You want to be reelected politician of okay. And she wants him on her advisory board for her social foundation attorney general or something but yes politician. Okay and I think that for some reason he wants to take down this blank check company. He must have some history with them. So she's giving him the ammunition to go to the FBI to reopen the involved in the God. It okay. This makes so much more sense yes. I'm so glad that you picked up on the things that I didn't PICK UP ON T. We are we are except for when it comes to guitar symbols. No-one no-one emailed us recently about the guitar. Simple okay all right so then Martin at the hospital and it's actually this next scene where we see him talking to. Maya and I did not connect the two things where she saying. Oh so you're just gonNa take this information and give it to my boss. And he goes you want me to be a better asset be a better handler And it's clear. She knows what's what she knows what Sam is doing. She knows everything that's going on. Yeah she just Mardi won't say it. He can't say it but like she knows. Yep Yep and this just fascinates me because I feel like this is real. I mean I really believe. This is how a lot of the world works. Everybody knows that everybody is in everybody's pocket but nobody says a word right and they pretend it's not happening but is right but it is well then we've got a daddy. Wyatt where what why? Leans House by Lean yes Darlene asks him. What happened with Ruth and why it seems has it into teller for a minute. He's not sure but then he does he. He's tells her that Ruth Killed His dad and she says maybe she had a good reason. And she's turning Wyatt Against Martin. Bird again this yes act to the. What is it cost you to be loyal to Mardi Bird? Yes yes. She tries to convince him. That it's Marty's fault. And then then she dropped a freaking bomb show. I can't believe she did this. She tells why did she kill Jacob C White Face Right? I wrote in my notes. Oh Shit I don't think why it is okay with this. I hope he's not okay with it but I was like dude. Tell me that you're not terrified right now. I don't know why she convinces him to go. See Ruth which he does later on but right. That was a shocker. To me I thought she pulled that out way too soon in the relationship. Yes but I think there was a reason for this scene so she specifically mentions Cherry pits in his coffee. And I feel like there's a reason that she brought that up like it's GonNa come back somehow because she didn't just say I killed him. She talks about specifically how she denied it. She's giving trying to give him an idea either. Giving him an idea that he will use. Or maybe he's going to use it against her at some point. You know where. Do An autopsy on Jacob or I don't know I don't know but I just felt like she's going to try to get him to kill Marty. I don't know I don't know where this was all going but that. Yeah that is an interesting point that she specifically say throw in specific things like that. I mean it's not like they're trying to catch us up on what happened last season. I feel like there is. It was an it doesn't right okay. This next scene Sue and Helen. And I'm just like sue honey you re to She just she does not understand what she has gotten herself into. And my notes. Oh Sue you're not going to be around long and then Helen goes. I'll make sure you're taking care of. Yep Yep it might. My notes says yes. Who's dead right well? Now that I think about it I said a hundred thousand dollars but I'm not entirely sure. That was the correct amount. I'm like really. You're going to try and squeeze more money out of them unbelievable. Yeah God's crazy mistake big mistake but anyway. Her days are numbered. Anyway all right. Maya is trying to appeal to Wendy. Now she did. I miss something not really but I just like to point out my attention to details so Jonas in the garage playing beast and they show the high score screen. Mardi Mardi Jonah. Jones got his third high score. I wanted to let you know. Okay I don't think it's relevant to anything but there you go well. I think it's interesting. Maybe it's trying to say that Joan is taking after Marty moving in his footsteps being very good very good all right so my comes to see Wendy and tells her that Mardi needs to take the deal and Wendy clearly didn't know anything about this deal. But she was like she did and my is like okay. Well you know that this was the deal and he was gonNA take and when he's like. Yep were all caught up good good. Then she pretty much shuts her down she does. Wendy says ditch. No convicted felons can't hold a casino license in Missouri. And Maya says I didn't know that and she goes thanks for stopping by all right. So what did you take out of that scene because I mean if Marty were to take a deal? I don't think the plan is that he would go back to just running the casino. Yeah that's kind of what I did get from it. Like she's saying all right if you give him this deal and then you want him to work for you like the rest of our lives are done for you know like our livelihood. His whole family will be shut down. So what do you really expect Mardi to do that? I kind of thought that was what was she was saying. I don't really know because I guess I don't really understand the deal like would Mardi work for the FBI like undercover. That would work exactly alright either. So we don't you guys weigh in if you picked up a little bit more than that seen than we did. Yeah so Ben. Reuther in the hospital and she wakes up and you can see it on. Ben's face immediately that he's going to go after frank junior and then Ben is going to get taken down because you don't mess with the mob bosses kin not in Kansas City. I guess yeah I'm I'm worried. I'm very worried but it was sweet because Ben Senate and want you to wake up alone. I just love them together. I know he's very sweet but she was minus his. Her mind is elsewhere because she's asking about why it and she needs to talk to Martin. Wendy Yep and she tells Ben when he asked if it was junior that she didn't get a good look exactly but it's clear later conversations. Yes Yep so I have my note here. Helen's driver goes to see sue. Oh God for a minute. I forgot what that meant. Okay I got it now I wrote. Here's what I wrote a sue. You're so dense. She's talking to Frank Jackson and right away. I'm going isn't this Helen's driver slash right hand? Man Her new client yes good. Yes are you avoiding pain? Yes why do you think that is probably because of my job? Well it's easy to confuse vulnerability with weakness and I'm like Oh soo curiosity. Can I ask what you do for a living? Yeah and outcomes the gun and she knows at that point well at least Lee. She enjoyed that car for a little bit right and I wouldn't go ahead. Well when he was going when frank was going through a lot of francs in this did he really frankly Ashton. Yeah Frank Jackson okay When he was going through all of computers and scrubbing everything after he killed her. Did you see him? Take the file out. And how had every single thing detailed yes of Martin and that one hundred thousand dollars last line voice? I'm like what Doofus. Yes and but I'm looking at Frank Jackson going. He's a man of many talents right. Yes because he can not only drive a car he can get things. Done Anti knows how to wipe a computer. So he's what they call a cleaner he's a cleaner alright. That's what they call it. Yeah Yep Yep well then Mardian Wendy Separately but simultaneously arrived at the hospital. Wendy's got flowers for Ruth and she says to him. I added your name to the card kind of ferociously. I think tips. Oh Ruth says listen I want him dead and Mardian. Wendy rely on no no no no. We're not doing that. Which I think is bullshit if you ask me. She says I'm untouchable. And she's starting to question their loyalty to her and she brings out the old You killed my dad. My Dad h you know what we talked about in the very beginning of the episode how the FBI Kinda planted that in her mind and you know she says well fine. If you won't do it I'll kill myself right right. So we know Ben's GonNa go after him right for sure that that's definitely what's going to happen for sure? Yeah now what did you make this next scene? Where Wendy walks in? She goes home. She walks into the garage and unplugged the arcade game. Is that just kind of like a fuck you marty to to wipe all of his workout? So I wrote. What's that mean? Okay I just said game over I think Marty was trying to get to a certain level. And once you plug the game everything reset so so. That's not cool but I mean I don't know I just thought that was kind of juvenile weird but there must be. Maybe there's more symbolism that we're not catching onto in that one yes Philipson And then this next seen the last bit of sue sunk in the lake. She got to stay with her car to the very end. And it's Helen and Frank Jackson talking and she says to him. Do you ever get tired of this. And you're thinking maybe she's having a moment of reflection and he says no not really and Hellas good. Keep your schedule open and I just implicated thinks about to give messy yup yup out to get messy entity accounts going up well to be fair. Marty and Wendy are sloppy it. Yes I mean this whole season I feel is just very messy. See their way to brave way too confident. Maybe not Mardi but definitely Wendy. Well said that from the beginning that she was naive and she was too brazen and she was going to make mistakes and she was going to pay for it. And but think of how many people like they're working with the mob. They're working with Ruth Zero. Their kids know her brother. Ben knows their therapist knows. I mean that's a lot of collateral there. Yup and Helen does not approve clearly right because Helen her own family doesn't even know. Yep Yep yeah so Ben Brings Ruth home. He's carrying her over the threshold style. Which again I just. Oh my my little heart. Just love them. But I'm much I probably make a way too big deal over the two of them. Probably maybe other people don't but I love seeing them together and why it shows up comes in the driveway which I was like. I was very happy and he makes a really funny comment which I laughed out loud and had to pause. Because he's like you know who's that referring to ban has been went inside and she's like well it's Wendy's brother and why it says you sure he's not too old foe. Yeah Yeah Yeah Oh that was good loved it so they have a heart to heart and why it says you know who we are. Ain't so bad when when Ruth is talking about being cursed and he said the birds are the ones that cursed everything right. I don't know who you are when you're with them and again starting to question her loyalty and what it has cost her and their relationship is still complicated. Yeah he says I WANNA forgive you. I'm just not there yet right. Because he said I knew. But I just didn't want to know right right. He did say that that's interesting. Yeah thinking new. So Yeah. That was cool. It was like somber note to end the episode on. I thought this whole episode was very low key in a little depressing. I agree I agree. Yeah so we've got. What do you think about the title in case of Emergency Emergency? I didn't really think about the title this time. What do you think I mean? There were a lot of emergencies here. There was Su had an emergency emergency. Ben Is clearly going to have an emergency. Well here's what I thought we. We heard Helen in that mysterious phone. Call saying you better get here soon. Things are getting complicated. So in case of emergency is usually like a person you call in case of emergency So I kind of feel like whoever Helen called. Maybe they are kind of overseeing everything that's happening and maybe they are the ones that I mean. We actually don't know a hundred percent if it was the lagunas cartel that killed those guys. That's just what Mardi assumes or what Helen told them or what. We don't know how what if Helen was behind it. Yeah Helen is. Helen is going to be. She's I don't know Helen is something that's all I wanNA say. So in case of emergency could be the you know the person that she called in race of the emergency. Which everything's like you said everything's a mess? It's getting complicated. That's what she said. You better get here. Things are getting complicated. Oh and oh wait a minute remember when Marty went back to his house and the next morning he's talking to Helen and she says they were spotted heading to Chicago all my God. She probably through them. She threw them off on purpose. Yes yes and she made she made. Mardi go home instead it to the hotel because she doesn't want Martier the FBI agent all day on. This is not. I don't think this had anything to do with the lagunas cartel I think. That's all bullshit. I think Helen said because we even said at the beginning like that doesn't make sense right. Oh Helen dammit. Helen Ugo it down bid. Oh I feel so excited right now. I know I know all right well. Let's talk about the symbols in the opening because I see we have some different interpretations here. Okay so we see the craps table which I think that was Sam right. Wasn't that what he was playing when he was losing. I thought it was a car crash. But you're right. I think it was just two cars. It was probably Franken. Marty Frank Him. That's what I got out of that because it was like a black car and a white car and the way they were facing in opposite directions. Yeah they were would be able to talk to each other windows but to be fair. I write. I write down the symbols at the beginning of the episode. So I don't really think about it and at the end of the episode. I'm like okay but the next one was a tape recorder. And that's what. Frank Jackson got from Sues House. Oh taper quarter with the sessions as well as I are right. That makes 'cause I wrote down a boombox. I thought it was like a radio type of Phil. It's like a little hand held tape recorder purchase. Use Yup Gotcha Gotcha and then we both got the last one. Which was the dollar bills in evidence at the the truck Seen Explosion? Yeah and now. It's time for the dirty dilemma. Hey It's the first time you've pulled that one out this season. Yeah I was trying to think that I do that before I did. Deny yes okay died. Yeah maybe it needs to go back into retirement but this is when we ask who has the biggest moral dilemma of the episode. And Post the question. What would you do and I think this one? We both sort of felt like the obvious one. That wasn't resolved in this episode is what to do about frank junior because maybe Mardian. Wendy don't realize this but I think ruth is questioning her own loyalty to them and their loyalty to her. Wendy's trying to reassure her. We love you ruth. You are in Mardi. Even I think when he's talking to the FBI the FBI. He refers to her as family. Yup Yup and ruth makes a comment that we didn't discuss while she's in the hospital bed. She says if this was Charlotte sitting here exactly data already exactly. We already know that she has a lot of self esteem issues right and she thinks that there's no question he needs to be killed and she pulls out the cade card because she knows they're capable of having it done but well we know. Marty is anti murder. Okay well right I mean we know that that is a that is a very specific hot point for him right the the whole murder thing I get it like Gilead I can see. I can see why he's not into that but the other thing is this is the Kansas City mob. And she goes. You're not doing anything. He said I did do something I cut ties with the mob which to me is pretty huge to be like. I don't have to deal with them anymore. You're done and that's also a self serving punishment it helps him. He doesn't want to be involved with the mob right. He wants out of all of this. I feel like ruth kind is going to what she does. She sees through that and she she wants him dead which I think because more because she is afraid you know. She said what's to keep him coming back finishing the job. I don't think that's I don't think she's really and truly afraid. I think I think it's her upbringing. It's an eye for an eye. You did this to me. I'm doing this to you. You GotTa pay for what you did. So do you think Mardi and Wendy's should have him killed. I don't I don't think they should. Because then you're just going to start a war with the mob right you can't you just can't do it and so. I think that he's going to have to convince her figure out a way to show that she's important and valued But that that can't happen. Yeah I took it a little bit differently. I I did detect fear. I feel like she's afraid I don't. I don't disagree with the eye for an eye but I think she is afraid and I think she is not going to feel comfortable. And she's not going to feel like Marty's taking care of her and that is going to question her loyalty and it's going to cause a problem that ETA believe it is not that I think that Mardi should kill him but I I just don't really know what Martin Wendy could do. Sure her protector. So that is a scary. Okay much right there but the thing is I think you and I both know that Ben is going to either attempt to or kiss Frank Junior. Yes I'm guessing that's going to be in our next episode. Well we only have three left. Three left okay. 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Ep. 361 - YouTube Declares War On Conservatives

The Michael Knowles Show

46:22 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 361 - YouTube Declares War On Conservatives

"Youtube has demonetized pal. Steven Crowder's channel and declared all out war on conservatives. This is the most significant change in the character of the internet, since YouTube, I came online fourteen years ago, we will examine how conservatives can fight back then coincidentally, one of the OJ conservative youtuber Zo, Rachel stops, by to discuss how social media's changed what it looks like moving forward, finally the mail bag. I'm Michael Knowles. And this is the Michael Knowles show. This is being called vox add Pakalitha, because it was brought on by vox journalist trying to get YouTube to censor deep latte form d monetize conservatives. Initially YouTube said they wouldn't do that. Then they gave way to the mob and they have done this to crowd or credit as almost four million subscribers on YouTube. This is monumental. It means none of us are safe. It means they're going to go after every conservative channel coincidentally, right before the twenty twenty election. We will explain what it means what we can do about it, and why we shouldn't sit on the sidelines and throw up our hands. But I support for the Michael Knowles show comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Finding the right house is not easy, but finding the right mortgage can be easy. Rocket mortgage is doing more to help you understand the home buying process so you can get exactly what you need because it's not just a mortgage is your mortgage, and they have found in better way. Let me tell you. I look at houses, I look at this whole process, I'm a product of millennial public education. I didn't learn any of this, it can be very difficult. But luckily, their team of mortgage experts is obsessed with finding a better way which means that their number one goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you. 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But we here at the Michael Knowles show, haven't even bigger scoop, because it turns out that there is another YouTube creator. I FOX dot com. Who is referring to a gay journalist with those exact same words, take a listen. Baird belt is like minded the street stadium. Straight people on TV talk about what it was like to be gay queer people people people people cares. All about reviewable. Touting out your graders being baited. Whereas people, let's be clear is not an interesting, an interesting your useful idea. Komi illicit. We're is not an idea. I may queer tree hugging angriest with immigrant pants because like the feeling of being queer and a role that doesn't love Weirs as a queer person. And also in with anchor spaces. I am also part of the work as a person of color to be like, I mean, it was kind of, like growing up queer and being clear. And doing like queer activism, I am literally shaking, I can't believe that YouTube would allow such a horrific bigot on there. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm I'm I'm hearing right now. Oh, that's Carlos Maza, the vox journalist who started this whole censorship crusade in the first place. By the way, that clip could go on seven or eight minutes longer. There is an endless supply of cordless Mazda using the word queer gay all of these different words to refer to himself. So when Corliss Mazda from vox dot com, left-wing website, uses exactly the same words that Steven Crowder used. It's okay that's fine. That's great. When Steven Crowder uses those exact same words, he gets demonetized. He is told by YouTube, you can't make any money on here because you have opinions that we don't like when is YouTube going to d- monetize, vox dot com for using the exact same words that Steven Crowder used. I'm not kidding. I'm not just trying to make a point. I think YouTube should d- monetize box dot com. I think YouTube should deep latte form Carlos Maza because he's using those exact same words. I'm not making an absurd argument here. Youtube is enforcing some brand new policy that they just wrote yesterday in response to Carlos Maza and vox dot com calling for crowd. Her to be platforms, and demonetized. They're enforcing that on Crowder. They have to enforce that on vox dot com. In fact, they should enforce it on everybody who makes any gay joke, who makes who uses the word gay, who uses the word queer, any of them on YouTube, by the way YouTube uses the word queer, because YouTube is now promoting pride month and a month to celebrate LGBTQ. Guess what? The Q stands for stands for queer. They all need to be deep latte formed their channels need to be deleted. They at least need to be demonetized until vox dot com is d- monetize YouTube is taking a an obvious bigoted, swipe at conservatives. Why is it? Okay. When vox uses certain words, but when but not okay. When Crowder does Washington Post showed this just yesterday. Washington Post put out an article about this whole controversy, and they wrote when they when they described Carlos Maza. They said he is quote, a video producer for the new site. Vox and. They described him as a quote gay and Latino, then two paragraphs later in the article they criticized Steven Crowder for referring to Maza as a gay Latino from vox. So Washington Post says he's a video producer from the new site vox, and he is gay and Latino, then Crowder calls him a gay Latino from vox, that's eight full. Two paragraphs later. What is actually happening here? Youtube has decided to punish the creators that it doesn't like with de monetization when you post video to YouTube, you can turn on monetization. And then when you get half a million people to watch it, they'll run ads on that video, and you can make some money. And that's how YouTube creators sustain themselves online, now they're going to monetize them, and they're already saying that they're going to be platform thousands of creators, that they don't like YouTube is punishing people not who violate the rules. But who they just don't like a not exaggerating here? Youtube concluded that Steven Crowder, did not violate their rules. They admitted that in a statement. Then once they got more pressure from vox dot com journalists journalists, quote unquote, who are trying to censor. Everybody else from speaking. When they gave into the pressure, they said, all right credit in violate the rules. But we're going to d- monetize him anyway. This is their Orwellian statement, quote, even if a creators content doesn't violate or community guidelines. We will take a look at the broader context and impact. And if their behavior is egregious and harms the broader community, we may take action. They said in the case of Crowder's channel a thorough review over the weekend found that individually, the flagged videos, did not violate or community guidelines. However, in the subsequent days, we saw the widespread harm to the YouTube community. Listen to that you see what they're doing. They're once again, as the left always does conflicting speech with violence. They say, look, we have rules against threatening speech speech that actually could incite violence, that is being used to threaten violence. We have rules against that credit in violate those rules. But in the broad context of his speech, it's harmful to the YouTube community, quote, resulting. From the ongoing pattern of egregious behavior. Took a we took a deeper look and made the decision to suspend monetization in order to be considered for reinstatement all relevant issues with the channel needs to be addressed, including any videos that violate our policies as well as things like if offensive merchandise. And they're what they're alluding to is, is, he has a shirt, which has Shay of with the limp wrist. And it says socialism is for figs, then, instead of a letter there between the F and the g it's a little thick coincidentally Shaka Vora was killed in a town called Garo which means the victory. Just a little extra information on that. Youtube is promising that they will write the rules arbitrarily because they had rules when they instituted the rules, they say here are the rules don't violate them. We won't get you off Kreider doesn't violate them. Now, they say we're gonna kick you off anywhere. We're going to d- monetize, you at least anyway. So it's just YouTube picking winners and losers based on the content based on the opinions based on the of the creators, that are going out there. How are they going to do this? Youtube is now promising that it will be quote, removing violative content content that violates their agreement they already were doing that raising up, authoritative content. Okay. Let's see what that authority of content is reducing the spread of borderline content so content that doesn't violate their rules, but they don't like it anyway. And rewarding trusted creators. I wonder who those trust. Craters or I mean, I seem to recall that the young Turks, a very far left wing Janelle would film, their shows in YouTube headquarters in the YouTube studios, I guess they're trusted the very far left wing sources are trusted. I don't film in YouTube said quarters do I Stephen Crowder and film in YouTube. So I guess we're not trusted and they're going to raise up a thorough Tate of content. What is the Thawra Tate of content? It's a thorny Tatum content. The New York Times New York Times has botched huge high profile stories over the last three years, CNN botched huge high profile stories is that those guys I something tells me at eight of content isn't the daily wire. But then how are they going to boost that affirmative content? They write this is YouTube writing, quote, if a user is watching a video that comes close to violating our policies our systems may include more videos from authoritative sources like top news channels in the watch next panel. So let's. Say that you decide that you're gonna watch the Michael Knowles show heaven for fend, and you're watching, and you're listening to ideas that are a little more conservative. What YouTube will do then is, is after that, when you look at the watch next channel all the videos that are suggested next to the page at the end on the screen, you're going to get the New York Times, you're gonna get CNN. You're going to get the young Turks filmed in YouTube studios, you're going to get all this left-wing content. What is this about what's the takeaway? It's a two fold political stunt. Why did Carlos Maza do this? Now. He said he said that has been calling him a lisp. We're for years, Mazas been calling himself for years. Why right now? What's because this is pride month. Carlos Maza launched this whole crusade on may thirtieth two days before the launch of pride month. This was not an exasperated emotional reaction to harassment. This was a highly calculated. Premeditated attempt to censor conservatives on YouTube, and other social media, which are by the way, the largest public squares in the entire world, certainly in the country. But in the entire world as well. This was a highly calculated attempt by a highly calculating political operative named Carlos Maza to censor conservatives from the public square, and it has mostly worked, by the way. Good. I mean you gotta he's a winding un-american authoritarian but Carlos Maza is pretty effective. But it's not just launched at the beginning of pride month this launched at the beginning of the twenty twenty cycle. It's twenty nineteen the elections are underway. And now the YouTube is going to mobilize to help Democrats unfairly. That, you know, the left complains, about citizens United that supreme court decision upheld the corporations right to donate to political campaigns. They said it was awful. They said corporations aren't people corporations can't donate. What is this with this is is just one giant completely unregulated corporate donation to Democrats? They're admitting it. They say they're going to censor conservatives, and they're going to help Democrats at least after citizens United other corporations have to disclose their political contributions, not YouTube YouTube doesn't have to disclose this. It's a huge in-kind contribution for Dem's during a very contentious election year. So how should conservatives respond this, this reopens the same debate between conservatism and classical liberalism, conservative, liberalism, whatever that we have been talking about for the past two weeks. Some libertarian classical liberal types, insists that the government should take no action. They say YouTube is a private company. They can kick off whoever they want. It's not the government. No big deal. That's one idea. They're uncomfortable with the government stepping in to regulate social media. Now, the less classical liberal more, conservative minded. People say absolutely the government should prevent this mass censorship on a national, and global scale of conservative ideas. So, which is it should we say hands off, you can do whatever they want, or should we get involved? This is based on a faulty premise. This is based on the premise that the government right now doesn't already have. It's finger on the scales. It does the government is already giving these corporations like YouTube and unfair protection the law in this country is supposed to treat publishers, and platforms differently right now. However, the law is treating social media companies like publishers when it suits them, and like publisher and like platforms, rather, when it when it suits them, otherwise in some cases, it's one in some cases, it's the other, this is not exactly on the question of censorship. It's on the question of what these companies are. So the. Daily wire, we have no obligation to publish views that we disagree with we do because all of the writers and the hosts we all disagree with each other all the time. But we don't publish every single opinion in the world, we're not a left-wing news site where conservative news site. We don't need to worry about charges of censorship. Because we're a publisher we decide what we want to publish we pick which stories to run. But since we're a publisher we have to worry about a lot of other things copyright infringement defamation liable, IP theft, fair use all these different things that YouTube Facebook and Twitter all the other social media companies don't have to worry about because they say that they are. They are platforms, not publishers. Sometimes they say, they're just an internet platform, which gives them a whole lot of government help, a whole lot of protections section, to thirty of the Communications Decency, Act of nineteen Ninety-six says, no provider or user of an interactive computer service, she'll be treated as a publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. What's the purpose of that? It's so that the internet could grow. And this is led to incredible growth by protecting tech companies from copyright and other publisher issues it. Allowed them not to get totally bogged down in stifled as the internet was growing. It's created billionaires. It's created billion dollar corporations. It has allowed the internet to flourish. Now, those publish those platforms, rather or abusing that protection, the protection that was made to allow the internet to grow to allow these companies to exist. They are now abusing that protection and behaving as publishers, obviously, they're choosing what content they want on the platform. What content they don't not just YouTube? It's all of big tech. Trying to have it. Both ways. Here's Mark Zuckerberg. Trying to say on the one hand he's a he's a. CEO of a social media platform. You said you are responsible for your content. So, which are you are you a tech company or you the world's largest publisher because I think that goes to a really important question on what form of regulation or government action if any would take. Senator, this is a really big question. I view us as a tech company because the primary thing that we do is build technology and said, you're responsible for your content, which makes a publisher right? Well, I agree that we're responsible for the content but we don't produce the content I think that when people ask us, if we're media company or publisher my understanding of what the heart of what they're really getting at is. Do we feel responsibility for the content on our platform the answer to that I think, is clearly, yes? And but I don't think that that's incompatible with fundamentally at at our core being a technology company where the main thing that we do is have engineers and build products. Right. Okay. So he's saying, we are primarily an open platform, however, while they were fighting lawsuit in California last, July Facebook claimed that they were a publisher Facebook was being sued by tech startup that was told they were developing apps with Facebook and the premise was they would be able to use the data from Facebook to develop the apps, then Facebook pulled the data from the apps, and they sued them the lawyer for Facebook. So no meta said quote. The publisher discretion is a free speech right irrespective of what technological means is used a newspaper has a publisher function when they are doing it on their website in a printed copy or through news alerts. So he said, they're, they're a publisher. He then said that decisions about data worry, quote, quintessential publisher, function, and constituted protective activity, adding that this quote includes both the decision of what to publish and the decision of what, not to publish. So Facebook is a publisher when it suits them. Right. They are, they tech companies are behaving as publishers, and the data are important here because the data show you how powerful these companies have become they know everything about you. They there are no competitors to them. They control the flow of information on the internet. There is this debate on the right will bring zone and have this debate some of the liberal libertarian school say, who cares have powerful. Big tech gets who cares? Have they censor who cares? How they mold discourse and blocked conservatives from the public square, just so long as they're not the government. That's one school of thought. That is no consolation to me. I don't care that they're not the government. I don't care if I'm being censored. But in my politics is being cheated by government by just a giant government entity or by handful of the biggest companies on earth who are getting special protections from the government. I don't care it needs to end we need to stop the special protection for big tech and conservatives need to grow a spine and say that we need to have launched an all on legal assault on these companies. This is a, a an unfair advantage that they are giving to Democrats in twenty twenty. This is censoring, the public square. This is abusing their power. This is abusing the law, and this is an frankly, it's illegal what they're doing. We should. Take the vox add Pakalitha as a great opportunity to, to say enough is enough. This has been creeping censorship for a long time, and it's over this also reminds us why we need to go over to daily wire dot com. You know, I mean, this is the big issue of the day, if you care about free speech and diversity of thought go to daily wire dot com right now, the daily wear dot com slash YouTube, and added your name to the list of people standing up against the bullies that YouTube and speaking out for free speech. It's very important. Daily wire dot com slash YouTube. Join the fight with us. We're going to bring on one of the G conservative YouTubers, Zo, Rachel, luckily, coincidentally with coming by the studio today if you don't remember Zo, this is back. This video is from ten years ago in the old days when social media really were the wild west. It's got half a million views on YouTube back when You Tube wasn't censoring conservatives. This is so Rachel. Is why am I report as a conservative Republican? I believe that warp sucks. All, but there is way worse than more y'all. Slavery, genocide tyranny peace through strength, y'all. I'm a conservative Republican because I'm pro-life I'm a conservative Republican because I believe the mayor should be between a man and one as a conservative Republican. I support the second amendment as a conservative Republican. I appreciate what America is, as a conservative Republican believe in a maximum of ten percent consumption tax as a conservative Republican. I think we're smart enough to earn the money then we're smart enough to know how to spend it. I'm a conservative Republican because I believe the absence should be taught in school instead of having free condoms in office as a conservative Republican. I'm proud of my country. I'm proud that our country is seen as the place that if you want the best chance to realize your dream is the place to come to amount. They were better than anybody else is America. We are everybody else I could go on y'all. But I'm just gonna. Say that I'm a conservative Republican because I believe in God and linking we're joined now by Zo Rachel. What's going on, man? You look exactly the same. Well, thank you. Can't even see the difference, ten years, and nothing has changed. At all. That's why appreciate that. This was such a lucky day, such a coincidental day for you to be walking by the studios nice because gay pride month. No, not because it's gay pride month because YouTube is in the news and you were one of the OJ conservative YouTubers, ten years ago, you're talking about two thousand nine that video came out and what changed between the, the old days when you could get half a million views on just a here's my opinion on conservative politics, two. Now, when Steven Crowder uses the word queer, the same word that is in LGBTQ. Right. And he gets demonetized and they're threatening to deep life-form. What changed? Oh, Helen, do I have to go on for days. We could end it because it's been going on for years. And I would say, I don't want to say I told you, so, but I've been trying to let folks know that, man, you know, as conservatives, we gotta be careful not to underestimate liberals, their worldview may be foolish. But they're not exactly stupid people. And they've created the platforms that conservatives have been dependent on to get their message out, and I've set for a long time, and it's like, you know, these silicone valley, liberals ain't go sit there. And let us talk about, you know, their world view. The way they've been doing them before they pull the rug up from underneath us, we were going to have to come up with some sort of a viable competitor. And I don't mean like some sort of like conservative platform or something like that. You know. You know eight and this is the right thing. It's, no, it's, it's going to have to be something that's just as interesting. You know, the content and the way that it's. Organized and all that sort of stuff. You know, I can't be the guy to do them not that take savvy an artist, you know, but anyway, these people how this, how this came about is basically, you know, they created this stuff, and we just can't use their stuff and do what we're doing right. We must have been crazy to think that we could get away with airing our views, destroying their stupid ideas for ten eventually, they're going to get sick of it. I remember in the early days of YouTube right around the time you made that video, I was working on a Republican campaign in New York. And nobody was using social media. So we used it in all these sorts of new ways. We were doing music videos to attack the other guy. And they were catching a lot of traction. And you could do that back then conservatives thought social media or here finally, the monopoly of the mainstream media, is broken you had PJ TV early on which you were at I mean, all obviously daily wire crtv all of these different companies blew up now they. They are totally attacking us. They're, they're the rug out from under us. And we've been what's been part of our content is letting folks know that Democrats is crazy. You know, this isn't a New Zealand. We talked about the Democrats would becoming unhinged in a near going crazy and been crazy. You know, these are people who blow up churches, you know, these are people who have Lynch mobs, these people were we have, you know what that's legal. You guys can't keep doing that. You know, so we had to make anti Lynch laws. These people have been crazy. So, at this point, it's like, you know, you don't we might need to take that and get out of crazy, oats backyard. Right and create our own thing like you guys are doing right now. How does this end though? I mean does this end with conservatives they just shut us up. And we've got to wait for some new technology to develop or does this actually energize conservatives as we look at twenty twenty. Well, I hope that it would it would energize conservatives and use the formula that's always been under our nose. We see how liberals have been able to do it using movies educa-. Senate. They're in everything, and we're conservatives usually aren't. And the thing is were as conservatives, we tend to think that people, I think we give people a lot of bit of doubt that we can raise it with them. You know, we're going to go, and we have this, this solid reasoning that people are going to understand. And every once in a while you made make connection I was liberal. You know, I figure if but knucklehead like meeting, get in anybody can get it. But reason is just languished at the understand. I'm not being literal here. It's just something that they really don't get their world is imagination. That's why all the stuff that they believe is filtered through imagination their information, their education. All that sort of stuff is imagine nation land, and that's just an area that conservatives don't tap. Let's all the narrative, right? They, they construct a narrative, even if it's false if everyone sticks to the narrative, then they get to do what they want and you know. Like me or Hollywood conservative. You're in the Gosnell movie, you got a new album out. I mean you've you've been working around show business for a long time. Conservatives don't want anything to do with show business. Well, I don't know man, because, you know, Netflix is getting that money from somewhere. Let's not pretend to conservatives don't have Netflix account. They do is. So we, we've really stole somebody's password to log into net flix to watch the shows, right? Get the max go, man. You know, Netflix HBO all that sort of stuff, we're wondering, you know, how are liberals able to do because we're funding them to do it. And it's about time that the supply and demand party start supplying in demanding interesting ways to promote our ideas, because that's what you gotta do should the government go in and either regulate these big social media companies or enforce the existing law. Or do you think hands off? We'll just make our own platform. Oh man. Okay. Of the government, getting involved to make this kind of regulation. I my instinct is no, right. It's the conservative instinct is, I don't want the government to touch it. Everything it touches turns to dust in the case of YouTube. Maybe it should turn to dust another discussion. However, you know when you do have an entity that is interfering at the scope that they're doing interfering with people's lives their livelihood. Tapping into a missile discussion about privacy, people would say that privacy will it's not in the constitution, I would argue. Yes, it is. And they are violating. All right to privacy, because your privacy is your property, and we do have a constitutional right to property. So and they're infringing upon that their infringement on our rights pursue happiness by infringe. Infringing on our livelihood. My contention with that, though, is that will we volunteered for it? We don't have any sort of monetary. Covenant with them or anything like that. We're, we're, we're. We them the data we gave it to my only issue is they pretend to be platforms when it suits them. Then they say that they're publishers when they're actually in their own behavior, and they I don't think they should be able to get it both ways. I don't think we should. I think we, if I don't know that we should go in and write new laws, and right. New regulations, we certainly should enforce laws that we already have with this. If I actually think this helps us in twenty twenty I think this helps I think Republicans and conservatives do best when it's so clear that the pop culture is stacked against us that the mainstream media stacked against us, and Donald Trump does very well when he's gotten an adversary, and I think this is totally going to backfire on them. What about you? I hope so I, I like to go along with that thinking you know, I get discouraged when I think about that we lost the congress. You gotta be careful with how we may hope things go away. Right. Right. But. Donald Trump, if we could use him as a model you don't policy successful, because he had that pop culture connection. Right. You know, he took his whole campaign and brought it in twos. Reality TV show wheelhouse. And these are things that conservatives like, look, I understand what conservatives to make conservative. There's a formula, just the same way as a formative makeup, liberal liberals are imaginative, people conservative or practical people, you know, in conservatives with doing what they're doing because they have this practical nature. It doesn't lend a lot to creativity. Well, this conservatives have to say, well, you know what? Maybe we need to find people who are in support them. That way, we can have a means to promote our narrative in a way that captures people attention long enough to tell them the truth, you're an imaginative conservative where can people go and support you? Well, thank you, a bronze serpent Meany dot com. Didn't catch my book, a solid right cross. They can catch Alabama band twenty pounds sledge, best band. You never heard of. My only issue with the new book, sounds great. But one of my favorite titles for any book of all time is the name of your first book. Will you? And that was that was strategically plan weapons of mass destruction. And I titled you'll because they assistance for American, socialist stays right this world. We're trying to be dragged me, but I figured you know what I think maybe people looking for gay porn might look up the looks of big. I mean that's like half the internet. I'd right. And they might either be very enlightened. Very disappointed, so well, it's great. I'm sure I'm sure the new book is a great redo, but so great to see you, man. Always great for you to come by come by more often. All right, man. All right. We've got a sink about a Facebook and YouTube, we're probably going to say goodbye to them forever. Pretty soon, go over to daily wire dot com. 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I don't think they're going to win the War, I think this is going to energize conservatives in twenty twenty and I think I've, I haven't felt more invigorated to fight big tech censorship ever in my life. This is a major turning point go over get the leftist. Cheers tumbler before you drown. We'll be right back. Let's get to the mail bag with what little time. We have left first question from Nicole as pride month starts, including all kinds of sexualities and genders. I wonder if heterosexuality will ever be included, I believe, leaving them out. Creates a narrative of conflict between heterosexuals and everyone else, which is completely unproductive, and I'd love to know your thoughts. Thanks. It does create a conflict and division. That's the whole point. Of course, it used to be gay pride. So if you were gay as opposed to straight, you would go out, and March and the pride parade, then it became gay, and lesbian pride gay, lesbian bisexual pride. Now that adds transgender it ED's, queer, I'm probably going to get banned from YouTube for saying that it adds a I don't know what those stand for the acronym gets longer by the minute, but it will never include straight people. It can't. The whole purpose of, of the pride movement, or of all of the other left wing, political movements is to create an enemy, and then to create solidarity among everyone who isn't the enemy. So in this case, the the mean awful terrible oppressors are the straight people, and then everyone who isn't straight is in solidarity with each other gay lesbian transgender. I mean, it's, it's really strange that gay and transgender go together, the premise of homosexuality. Is that boys who like boys and girls who, like girls people who are attracted to the same sex? The premise of transgenderism is that there's really no such thing as sex that Sex's is totally changeable, that it's a social construct. You can move fluidly from one to the other those are anti-federal concepts. But they, they come together to fight the oppressor. This is the idea of the ninety nine percent versus the one percent. It's a pretty brilliant, political strategy, of course, a mob of ninety nine percents. The people is always going to overpower one percent. It's the leftist strategy of division of finding a scapegoat of targeting them of censoring them of shutting them up at even if the interests of all the other groups, don't quite align. So now they're not going to add straight people to the parade. Although the in Boston, there's going to be a straight pride parade apparently with floats and we'll try to head over there and see what it's like from Paul. Any other other than technology? What is the difference between spying on the GOP campaign in two thousand sixteen President Trump and Watergate, there's a big difference between the Obama administration's spying on the Trump campaign, which we now know for a fact happened. We don't know for a fact that it was improper. But we know for a fact that it happened. Big difference between Obama's administration spying on the Trump campaign and Watergate when Richard Nixon's reelection campaign spied on the Democrats the big differences, Richard Nixon didn't use the force of the state to spy on the Democrats he or zone, goons through the campaign, and they totally bungled burglary at the Watergate building DNC headquarters, and they got caught the Obama administration used the full power of the American intelligence community, to spy on a rival presidential campaign. That's not a conspiracy theory. We know that happened the question now is whether that, that spying was adequately predicated, whether it was appropriate, or whether it was inappropriate, hopefully we'll get answers to that. Now that attorney general bar has a US attorney working on the case, and we're waiting for the inspector general's report, as well. But. If the spying on the Trump campaign was not was not appropriately predicated. It is so much worse than Watergate. It's barely comparable from Nicole approach. Officer on Twitter made the argument that medically speaking, an abortion is more of an induced miscarriage than murder, which is most medically accurate. A good question. It's true that an abortion is an induced miscarriage the instrument of the murder is the induced miscarriage, it would be like saying that if I walked up to you on the street and slit your throat. That's not really murder. It's an induced hemorrhage you died from an induced hemorrhage. It's true. It was induced it was induced, by whom by me when I committed that act what did I do? I committed murder. Of course, what, what they were confusing is of physical descriptions, and the act itself. I can cut your throat and have it be an induced hemorrhage I still committed murder. I can induce miscarriage in a baby that's committing murder and I, I won't get into the gory details. But when you look at how abortions are actually carried out, it is even visually indistinguishable murder from Patty regarding abortion. I have several friends that argue that when you see crack babies, and abused and neglected children that an abortion would be preferable to all that suffering. I know it's wrong but I can't come up with any good analogy. That would be comparable and make the issue, crystal clear that argument seems, the only one with merit, can you help me out with this chirp? I live in Los Angeles. I see miserable people all the time, people who are suffering, people who are miserable people who didn't get that audition, that they really wanted to get people who are completely lost wondering the streets of LA. So can I kill them because I think it's better. I just think it would be better for them to be dead than for them to be living in the squalor and misery and suffering that they're living in Los Angeles. So can I kill them? No. Of course not. Why? Because I would still be killing it would still be murder but also and more important level. The purpose of life is not to avoid suffering. Everybody suffers. It's not just crack babies who suffer. It's not just neglected children who suffer everybody suffers suffering is a feature. Not a bug of life. We all do it. Now. What sort of suffering justifies killing yourself? Obviously nothing for any of the people that we're talking to because none of the people we're talking to have killed themselves. We have a bizarre fascination and incorrect idea in the society that suffering is a justification for ending life that the chief purpose of life is to feel happy, all the time that isn't true. It. If suffering justified ending life, we would all kill ourselves. And so you have to find a better argument. I guess the argument that they're making is my suffering doesn't justify taking my life, but they're suffering justifies me taking their life. It's a totally incoherent point. Tell them to go back to the drawing board start again from Garin. Hi, michael. Despite Ben's best efforts to thwart his viewers from listening to your terrible show on the major fan of the Michael Knowles. Hashtag game for Ben state for Michael. Thank you very much. I noticed that Democrats attempt to undermine Republican achievements such as ending slavery. They will say things like the Democrats and the Republicans switched platforms. What is your take on? This sincerely Garin. I don't know. What's my take on Bigfoot? What's my take on the abominable snowman? It's just completely ridiculous to say that the Democrats and the Republicans switched platforms. How do you think that happened? Do you think one day just around the time that all of the prominent Democrats who are around today happened to come of age, in politics, the Democrats, and the Republicans, Mr. Democrats to Republicans sat down at a table and said, okay? So now for no reason whatsoever. You Mr. democrat or going to start being Mr. Republican, and I Mr. Republican, I'm going to start being Mr. democrat. Why are we going to do this? I have absolutely no idea. How is it possible to get to parties to completely switch? I can't even imagine, but we're going to do it because a bunch of boomer Democrats in the nineties, and two thousand said it was true. That's the that's the argument, it doesn't make any sense. It is true that the parties change over time. But it isn't because they just switched parties. One day, the Republican party was founded to end slavery. Because the Republican party has had a fascination with American style liberty from the very beginning, and it continues to, to this day now during the twentieth century of geographic. You saw a beginning of a change in political alignments. So what the Democrats wants you to believe is there was over the issue of civil rights, and because of the Civil Rights Act in the nineteen sixties black Republicans became Democrats, that isn't true, the move of black Americans from the Democrats of the Republican party began decades earlier, it began during Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the new deal. And it also coincided with a shift as they moved from the south up to the north. The align realignment of certain southern states. Coincided not with the Civil Rights Act. But actually happened decades later, it really only solidified in the late eighties and nine hundred ninety s why is that it's because the democrat party moved str- staunchly to the left, they moved radically to the left, and they abandoned a lot of the cultural conservative ideas that all Americans used to share, they boob, God at their national convention in two thousand eight two thousand eight or twenty twelve they become highly secular. They become radically pro-abortion. They embrace gay marriages. And so they're taking on all of these radical leftist ideas. They go soft on communism. There used to be a anticommunist Democrats that has really ceased to exist anymore, as Democrats have embraced socialism. So a lot of cultural reasons why certain areas, moved more to the or moved more to embrace the Republican party, but they didn't switch. I mean, the reason the Democrats want to take credit for all the Republican achievements is because the Democratic Party. Is is one of the worst political forces in the history of the world. It is just a, a two hundred year record of untold mayhem and destruction and immorality. So they're trying to take credit for Republican achievements. But sorry ain't gonna work from Michael, Michael. It's Michael, Michael, I'm a graduating senior. I'm making a turn in my life, and I want to go into politics. Any suggestions on where to start? Yes. Turn away and go do something else. Depends what you mean by politics, working on a political campaign is some of the best training, you can get in your life for anything because you get paid peanuts, you work eighteen hours, a day, you or interacting with people all the time strangers. New people really getting to understand, human nature, relate to getting to understand people if you don't like people, it will chase you away from it, because you're always interacting with strangers. And if you do, like people, it will deepen your love of people because you see that everyone is different. You can celebrate their diversity there. Foibles. What makes them tick, what motivates them? So I think working on campaigns is great, if you wanna start just spouting, your political opinions all the time. Like I do I would wait at least a few years, and go do some other things get some life experience before you start that at the tender age of twenty two, if you want to run for office, don't do it. Don't run it twenty two. You just haven't lived enough to, to run and be a serious candidate. If you want to work as a hill staffer or somebody for a an elected official. I think that's pretty good training to you won't make a whole lot of money. But it'll teach you a lot. And if you aspire to be in high office, someday, maybe a route for you to do is go and make some money go work in business. Go have a regular career than start running when you're thirty five or forty, and you'll you'll bring something more to the table from Eric last question, a Hoy, Michael, did, you know, Alexander Graham Bell proposed answering the telephone with a Hoy? I didn't know that. But now I do happy belated anniversary to you and sweet. Little at Lisa. My question is about movies whenever drew has you review a movie. It's typically something drew has made you watch meaning that we get to hear about how awful, it is offenders endgame, sorry to bother you that need a hill. Movie on HBO, for example, are there any movies besides the godfather and the godfather part to that? You really like, yes. There are many on the waterfront. Streetcar named desire. I, I don't know. I loved all his lost that Robert Redford movie I loved hail Caesar, there's are more recent movies, but perhaps my favorite movie is one of the most under appreciated films ever made starring a complete lunatic leftist wacko. But nonetheless, it's one of the greatest movies ever made, and that movie is me myself, and Irene by the Farrelly brothers ate true masterpiece. I could watch it endlessly. Enjoy the weekend. Go watch me myself and Irene. We'll see you on Monday. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles show. The Michael Knowles show is produced by Rebecca dob koets and directed by Mike Joyner executive producer Jeremy boring senior producer Jonathan. Hey, our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin. Stevens edited by Danny d'amico audio is mixed by Dylan case hair and makeup is by Jessica ovarian, and our production assistant is Nick Sheehan. The Michael Knowles show is a daily wire production copyright daily wire twenty nine thousand nine. Hey everyone is Andrew klavan. Host of the Andrew klavan show. D day was seventy five years ago today, and for all the sentimental, remembrances, and heartfelt tributes. 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EP85: Senior Citizen STD Outbreak

#GetSome with Gary Owen

52:48 min | 1 year ago

EP85: Senior Citizen STD Outbreak

"You're listening to the podcast tag. Hey, what's up everybody? This is Gary on with the gift, some podcast you can listen to us on itunes, just search Garryowen. Or you can go to YouTube dot com, Beck's last, Gary on com. It's a big week this week. It's my week. I felt my special this weekend in San Antonio, Texas. I'm at the empire theatre. June eighth doing two shows seven thirty and ten right now only she's left in the balcony for both shows you might want to get tickets. AS A P. So thanks, everybody last week in Dallas that came out to show careful when you're doing that Kenya, because people know, your passcode oh, I saw that and I changed it. But thank you. Whoever said, Kenya's back, and she's still giving our passcodes. So you're going to change it again. It's funny to me. I'll be watching. Sometimes when we do the live shows, and I'll, I'll look at my pass code and then one girl, tried to call it. She was like, you know, it's three eight five five I go. It's. Backwards yours a stupid, you couldn't even figure out my passcode, even though I've switched it since then. I'm on civil Pasco like one two three four digit. What's just be just telling you be careful? Thank you, people will be looking. I don't know. What would they get out of that, though? Unless they still your phone, your Pasco. They can't get in your phone, if they stole it, I don't know, right? Yeah. But even sometimes some, some things union, my fingers always think God, if somebody really wanted my phone, they would have to kill me so they can get my finger Casey. Get your finger. Could you know how you get the like put your thumb on air? All I'm doing that. I don't know what shows you're watching, oh. But I have never thought they're going to kill me for my you know my. You know, my phone do you use your finger for anything. No. Also, you only only you. You figure anything in your mouth here for the Bank. Here for the Bank. Oh, okay. You it's crazy. I've been talking about on my, my when you get ready for a comedy special. Like I'm going on jokes going Goma jokes. And then whenever I do a special I like to go cold Turkey the next week and just start my new our and that's the one good thing about doing a comedy special is you can put that material to bed officially, and then, you know, it's going to be out there, and you can start working on new jokes. So, so. Couple of weeks ago, I was in Charlotte and this past week, I was in Addison. I didn't really do any Joseph men doing my special 'cause I've been to those cities, so many times, and they, you know, I got some bits that are like signature bits, like if I do them, you're going to remember them, real quick. Oh, we did that the last time he was here, and I'm very conscious of that. So I'm just happy to get the special with. So I guess I working on new material and I do I think I already got like close to a new our. So once I found the special the next week on, I can just start in with the new our Fred away. You know what's interesting? Do you find that people? Okay. So light certain artists like Monica kisha co Anita Baker. If I went to see them, I don't wanna hear new stuff. I just want to go back to in your oath stuff. You know, I remember album in, you know, way back. Do you find that people as a comic do do fans or people that come to see you do they? You want the oath. I'll know. Okay. So they don't they say they do, but they really don't like they'll yell out like a lot of times when I do clubs and all the questions and I'll get this, at least once a week and cities black church, but nobody's gonna buy charts. Like, if I g imagine if I did that bit, which isn't a short bit about a five minute bit it. The payoff would be there like to be excited. I'm telling the joke, but how I get that a punchline nothing like it just be dead air and go to the next show, the only time I ever had that happen that, that it literally was fucking with my head was, I was in Vancouver Canada. Like ninety nine or two thousand and I didn't realize they just got BT Canada. So as far as comic view goes, they didn't they didn't know Cedric. They didn't know deal. They didn't know some more. They didn't know the old host the compu- vainly will meet I was the first thing I'd BT was the first year that I was the host. Oh, okay. So I get booked in Vancouver. And I'm thinking basing onto my ship before, you know, I'm going to differ country and every time I would start a joke. They went nuts by the time I got the punch on it was silent. I was like it was like a laughter reverse like I'd start it's other like let's say you know, you know, brothers got though, west cited. Got double whites, and then you're just waiting for the next bit to come out, then I didn't joke about the Strobe light, what you get in to this job on. And then I'd give it a punchline nothing. Mangle full describe promoter told me goes, you'll we just got BT. So you're the only person they know as far as the host the comedy right now. They will know the other people, I didn't know that, that was the only time I was doing jokes whereas like Dan, this crowd knows my whole act. I heard a story and I don't know if it's true or not. But I heard a story about Ron white who was on the blue collar comedy tour and the manager. Jokers, member jokers, in Dayton, had that a lady that used to manage it jokers, the comedy club before the Dayton five bone got there, and it had been there for, like twenty years. And the lady said she booked, Ron white for fifteen years. And Ron always had the same material. And then he did the blue collar comedy tour in the comedy. DVD in the movie with Jeff foxworthy Lear the cable guy, and Bill angle and Ronald went onstage. And the crowd was Hawaii act. And so he's. He would tell a joke, and they, they were like calling out the punchline. And the manager said, Ron litter backed up against the wall on stage. And when I figured it was Lisa Lisa, what the fucks go on with your call. And then Lisa goes, she says he got us days, she goes, you hit, Ron, you hit be happy you hit and he was like he just didn't realize that, that, that blue collar county special had taken off and even she said, she goes, I remember one for fifteen years we we'd have to pay for the room give away a lot of free tickets am, but he was funny, but just knowing who he was. And she said, all of a sudden, she was I was sold out in advance and she was like, what the fuck and then she goes litter, I gave him a lot of extra money because I felt bad by his contract and the amount of money she made that we can I didn't feel right? Paying him a couple of thousand dollars when he brought in by you know, let's say let's say she hit him two thousand but cheap brought in fifty thousand dollars worth of riff that happened to be in Houston. One time I didn't I didn't realize I would say the one the two clubs where I knew like oh shit. I just I kinda hit a little bit. I'm starting to sell tickets was fee. Unix at stand up live. I'll, I'll never forget, when I got that check. I went whoa. I could live on me that much like the skin, the hair was stand up on my arms. And then a Houston Houston to the same thing Raymond the Houston show me how much the club made and then showed me my contract, and was like I feel bad that I have to pay you this. Right. I and I was I what? So he gave me a little extra money because he's like this just isn't. Right. He goes, I know you're gonna that's a bad choice of words, but a new, you're going to rape us next time you come on, like for money he goes 'cause we just ripped you off this weekend. But you they didn't know by the time when we did the contract, nine months before. Right. You never know when, when that time comes, you know, just be happy. It comes. You know, I try the member two thousand four I got a flyer. We but Gabriel glazes Kevin Hart and flip a sparce yet ever net. Well, I, I want to be booked to mean Gabe on fifty fifty on that show. And I, I remember I saw Gabe at the ice house in Pasadena. Can we were talking afterwards in the parking lot, and gave was I went on. I went on like a Latino night. And gave his I guess, this is my thing man starting. He was telling me like I'm starting to hit now but this is my audience as. Okay. And then I said, well, look, man, I brought myself to angle last year. We sold it out. And I said, why don't mean you go fifty fifty. You know you got a big fan base down there. San diego. I do. Let's, let's go, and we. All right. So we made an agreement gave said, Albarn, one person and you bring one person I said, cool. So gave brought Felipe pay an eyebrow, Kevin. And then I still have that fire somewhere posted a few years ago, my Instagram page, you can get that show today. No, Philippe as killing it to a whizzy by selling tickets like crazy. Now is his audience games audience, or is it different? I don't even know. I don't even know he probably has a half stone or half Latino audience because he's got some of the best stories about being high. Oh, really? Oh my gosh. Philippi stories. He's got a lot of drugs have them run through a system. But he got some stories board right now, who is out that you would pay to see. Is there any comic out? Sometimes you'll be like some of the guys that are so quirky. So quirky always say public Francisco's one of my favorites, I can watch him till the same jokes over and over again. They're still funny. They're still funny. There's another guy. Can't think of his name, I would pay to see a white guy that's alive at Mitch Hedberg was one. Yes. Oh, eleven. I win as that's the only person I left the house as I'm going to seem it. Yeah. I thought his nothing so simple. I used to get mad at his punts is I got one figure that why does like some of us so simple. He goes escalators are never really broken down. They just become stairs. And I was like, well, if I can think of that. And they what do you say some but little table on on the pizza, which would the little table that comes with the pizza box like you can't fit a piece of pizza on it or some other site. What did I think of that, like the shit with, like bother me, like I was so brilliant. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Messes w one of my favorites. And I, I saw the week before he passed away, he remember. I went down Somma Cincinnati. Randy Kagan was his opener who opened for me and Miami the year before. And I thought Randy was funny as hell. And I was, I think I came back, telling you do this guy over in of maize really funny, and then he was with Mitch and then the next week Mitch passed away as on the week before he passed. He was in cincy, and I couldn't believe I go day I just saw. That's always weird when comics die before their time. There was a guy named FREDDY Soto? He was so funny. He got. He's probably dead sixteen years now. Oh, wow. But he came down to San Diego. Who's when I was open mic in. And I got a tattoo on my shoulder says Soto and we had it all set up all the open mic offers. But it was like Bobby Lee Darren Carter. All the open is down San Diego and FREDDY got off stage and he was driving that terrible comedy store limousine and drove it down the pick up the comics for present stuff with saying they go. It looked like it was Elvis's limos, so old and raggedy, but it was a level and I came up go, you'll Freddie under biggest fan, and I took off my shirt, and I had soda reading he goes what far bro? Do you like well type? I had to get that, too. And he goes fuck it, he looking around and they just get him for real. And then I told them Nassir Grandpa's name, that's fighting. This is that the is my grandmother's maiden name, my mother's, maiden name, my grandfather's name is Soto. S O, T O. But that was the I got one ten to. I don't know how we'll will get that twos. That shit hurts. You can have that shit you've ever to try to know never thought you know, we're rumor you ask him to get you. Your name. Yeah. But didn't you just thought it would hurt in now you'd saying it hurts. I, I like good paying on white, where would you put a few tattoos were painless? They did not hurt where would you get that, too? On your palm your hand interesting. No, quote about right here, like oh, God. Damn Kenya the middle your finger now. I thought, oh no. I'm on your body's on where we'll get one. The back of mind. Okay. Wait. Let me ask you this, or, you know. So actually, what sometimes I think it's kind of cool when people have like the women have like those binds like going up their spine finds going through spine and you've never seen that kind of pretty. Oh, yeah. Hours and stuff. I think it's kinda pretty Darren Carter had a funny. He had a funny joke about tattoos. It's old joke. He said, yeah, he goes, if I was a woman, I'd get aunts, almost shoulder coming up much us. Must stomach all the way to right before the top of, of the pussy. And as somebody goes one is that he goes, because this would have picnics, that baby. Paid makes a baby a lot of app. Yes. All the way down. That's funny. I got soda right here. Right. I always was against arm tattoos. But I probably get one of them, a former here my name. Pretty letters to my name. Our daughter's name. Oh, but no money. No Kennedy and Austin to get all three. So Kenny Austin milio the K K K any eek for Emilio off again, eek or ache. Your initial on their became this misspelled. Or I really pretty letters. Which means Kennedy also has really pretty letters is the prettiest center of the alphabet. So we should know about who. So I'm just I've seen the all the letters of the alphabet and the K is the prettiest is that what is that what the KKK took him? Was at the reasoning. I don't know. But it's that's what I find best about. But that's all the beauty advocate though. Because as soon as you say Kay, and you say it more than once you think take another daughter 'cause I would've named her with a K. I probably wouldn't even have put it together. Really, if we had another daughter, what would earn Ambi Carrington Kensington Khalidi now, wait a minute, isn't it? The only game with Lawrence thrones said, thorns thorns game of thrones. Well, sorry. Can we see there's going to be people name their kids like pets? They probably already. Well, there's John snow's going. Yeah. That is a good girl who can kill everything the young girl, I go with the sport. I gotta look it up. I'm I was terrible. You know, I love the show. I aria aria I'm gonna garment those I am. I m d be the cast and then we could see their names are rea- Jon snow Searcy, a lot of series that evil bitch up. Sorry. I don't call them ambitious. But that was a evil bitch. She was killing everybody has a pretty name. Yeah. The Alexa thing I'll give it their all day would have some crazy names. But then they have some regular names. John. Huh. Had named her. Well, actually, if Kennedy would have had blue eyes colored is run in my family to if she would have had blue eyes, she would have been named McKinsey blue but came out with very dark or just Brown eyes. So that's how she ended up with Kennedy grace in. It's so funny great fits her, 'cause she's very clumsy so give us your name to that. I said, that's a wrap. Yes. So she so hums E. So it's like Kennedy grace, I just like to say because we know she could barely get to the door without fallen, you know, this is really funny or Tyrian. Searcy. Tyrian Damaris, John son's aria, Jamie. Giora Samwel fan, Lord varies stupid, people name their kids after bat Ning cables. Yeah. Brand Peter brand cinder Masan day. I don't think tearing in his heart care, or backyard chair who Tyrian. Jan was the little guy. Oh, I really like him. I could see Tyrian. I like him who's Edison, his character hormone grandmaster Melissa, Sandra, grandmaster Taiwan Gilly. Yeah, I if we had a daughter, oh, sons, isn't a bad name either. The starts got the good name. Sons on aria did I sound plans only bad, if it wouldn't attest to that sons sons as her initial be so. L better in ho, bent, going be Heather, that's right. That's Gary, when we thought we were having to grow, he was, like, no names that start with h because her last initials. Oh. And finally, ho ho, her initials will be how we can can handle, Heather. No. What are the names starts with eight nine eight Heather? I think it's a short chapter Nabil Helen. Oh, Helen Elena, Elena, Henrietta Henry, look, Gary go. I don't know if h name. Well, let me tell you some. There's some names that are about to be extinct when these last few people die. I don't they just you may Henry's lifts. There's too many Hugh for a little boy. I like in all these a lot of Henry's left. I don't care. He's on extinct, Martha Martha's about gone gone eleanor's gone, too. I think flow. Flows though is definitely gone. People are like in a lot of names routes. You think Ruth? Not too many left. It's probably gone trying to think Mabel made differently gone. What is it? Why didn't they mainly kids at is this your last name had some do with the job you had what? Yeah. Like the that somebody like I know like a blacksmith or I thought it was like some of the names had something to do with the job. So I was thinking Owen. We must have been tax collectors or we are we borrowed money too. That's funny. No, I don't know. I you're maims Duke. Yeah, but you'd be a cowboy fighting it out awhile. I'm a fighter. Have you ever been a fistfight? Al. But once I was jammed, I was in an RV on a girl scout trip in and actually gross. Yes. The girl scouts go, okay. It's a listen. So I was okay so we're going camping trip. And the, the girl's mother, who was our leader. So it was like her. She has some other girls phone holding me down. I didn't know what was me going. I thought we were playing a game but they were really holding me down. She could slap me. Okay, who the mother, the daughter, the daughter of the girl scout leader aunt? But my cousin Tammy for some reason happened to be on this trip in you. She broke out in turn into the incredible hulk it she was really super tall. So I guess she understood what was going on in the end. I I'm still like what, what, what, what is happening? You know what I mean? But she either heard them talking or some- somehow she knew what was about to have it Tammy. Yes in she was like crazy. So family a jump though some gang activity amongst, so so the mom was holding you down the mom was demand was driving RV now. Right. All in, like, in the back RV playing around or whatever so. I think that who held you down the girls. Scouts couple of her friends. What were you doing? You're laying there like this. I thought we played a game like you know. Oh, sweet. We'll have. Wow. She came in like this slap. I don't know. She actually sent me I think Tammy stops her hand. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, she was right there. You know, Tammy would have every detail who was holding left leg who was holding right lane. She would know every single detail of this story. I, I don't remember all the details, but I do remember that, that happened. Do you got that wasn't really a jump though? A fight dot John haven't been jumps. Well, this kind of jumped you're gonna fight jumped doesn't really know that was almost fight it got stopped. Yes. Never been in a on the sidewalk. I had another fight. Same school elementary. I can't remember what nothing counts before sixth grade, then mtpa that don't hurt. Nobody really heard nothing really house for six to eighth grade. No. But I did wanna fight this girl named Benita in the summer of seventh going into the eighth grade because Michael also last name because he so far under the radar and I think this, how he wants his last name, but he dumped me because he went to start begging Benita because she was a cheerleader, and she had breast and how will pissed off, as I did when a jump her this Galkin needed. Need a donkey, but shit beer, lips and bigger breasts, and I didn't get breasts into the eighth grade. I got him. I'm not mad at. Oh boy. Michael deputy. I'm not mad at him comforted. Titties in eighth grade. Michael was a nice guy, though, 'cause I tried to one time I tried to get him to have sex with me the eighth grade, maybe right before eighth grade, but he wouldn't because we were over somebody else's house, and they MS. They were messing around the room had twin basil. They were all messing around and I was trying to get mica class around. He's like now like hopefully what he's like no was like, no, he. No. He's not gay. Use the nice guy off the shit out of you in eighth grade. God, you re the little tips, I would've done. No to headsets. They were just messing around, but Michael was just too nice for that. I think he wasn't ready. And he probably wasn't ready. So thank you. Michael, I couldn't do anything because I have hair my balls to like, tenth grade sodomy like this. I won't too. But I can't pop. No. Didn't do it until. Do it until I was eighteen or nineteen. So you, you wanted to be a whole, and then you just sit the nicest guys were like no not. You know, they wouldn't it. They wouldn't even I that I was trying to have a one night stand with when we when we this, medical have left, the club, go to my girlfriend's house said, they say gonna make you guys breakfast. You know, and in my head when I stay inside his room passionate, and then you do it in a new you go home. So this is what I thought the finisher and making breakfast. And, you know, you start to get to know somebody we go into the room because this is the night. Okay. This is about to have older you. Oh, I have a meal, so I was older, you know, like own enough in your own one. Right girlfriend had had when I stands before whenever you twenty one over twenty one in, and so we're talking you know, I know you know, he's a nice guy. Whatever we go into the bedroom. Just he and I my friend and his France state in the outside of the room, and we don't start or whatever. And then I was like, you know, stop talking you know, let's have our, you know, this do. And then he said, oh, can I get your number? I was like, what he said. Can I get your number? I wanna I wanna see you again. I'm I like you know I'm enjoying your like you. And then I was like this is a fucking one night stand. You don't you don't give somebody's number I for one, I stand as it and besides I am going to be so embarrassed by my behavior at this moment that no we're not. This is it a naughty said, I won't do it. Our undo it thus crazy. I wanna do it because I want to get to know you next day I was so embarrassed by the fact, I was like trying to fucking throw us that aren't that and he didn't want it that I just never I never caught in, I wouldn't answer when he called, I'm glad it wasn't me 'cause you would had so much saving on your face. If it's a one night say, we're never talking on disgusting. Slip. On my hair. Getting it all on your hair. I'm going to clean my dick off with your finger. It's a one night stand, you probably could've foot. Oh, we're going to see me again. Seeing the porno. Spin your out. We're going to see again. See. I don't know. I don't know. I can say this. But that's why I think God put the right people in my path in that people like Gary, who would have just use interviews were using these jeweler. Oh, that's right. I was just going to be never done to grow. If you say, look, we fuck and we are never going to see other talk associate this never happened forty onto the shit. I've never done before why I want to do something that never before or. All we would've today. No, I would have tried. I have been all that. Don't you mean does it matter? You have let me let me taste them anal, hurts. And I don't care what anybody tells you all a curse. I've try I've tried you know, this is probably TMI. And I'm really sorry, but it is what it is. Okay. So I tried Ainhoa once with my do we don't want that we only do too much. I lift stop there. Okay. Okay. So not a Nacho somebody in her past, not Gary, no, actually, I didn't what you before, too. Okay. So, okay. So it's been twice. I don't think home young. And I know they'll talk to my girlfriend swears by. She's like you just got nothing. You start drinking. It's fine. It's the best ever, so I try again, and I will say with, who and the end this shit hurt so bad that we didn't even do away, like, like, stop south stuff. But cannot had to crawl to the bathroom. Okay. And then the next day, I couldn't do number two, and I thought there was something wrong with me. And so a web indeed, like we don't, if you have ADL sex on. Hold on internet. Because we've been here for a while. So if you have deed that means somebody just headed done within the last year. Now. No, no, no, no, no. So anyway. So the all known. Yes, you went on web, MD dot com, so anyway. So what year was the same? I, I don't know. You know, you remember the years. I remember ready. You just got a computer, and we started dating neither of us had laptops. We have just gonna home computer, so you had a home, computer, you used it. What did you do that? We just got it. We it's just a loser date. Caught a nigga you. All right. Then I tried to use the bathroom black Knight us about remember you. Call two days, recount Belen. Over that. It hurts. And I didn't even all the way do it. Okay. Justice. Try this at home. It hurts. Well, it's pretty popular in porn. So clearly the asshole up. I don't know it must listen up. But then I'd be thinking, how do you do because it might just come out? You don't even know it. Asshole, so wide. Oh, well, okay. I don't know. But there was a funny when I was there a navy it was hard. One of my roommates had a porno and was VHS days. And we put it in and I was watching it, and it was hysterical. 'cause the girl Tom it anal the, the girls going. Ooh. Ooh. And then hold on. This is how the sound did not match the porno this, how bad the porno was. She you hear. Oh, oh, ooh, ooh. Stick it in my ass. Full oh, but our lives never moved, so you heard sticking to my ass, but her lips never moved. I go did they? So she did eighty are in the studio and win sticking by half. Good job now go sticking to my eyes. Half but I've ever done. What the Flook her lifted move, I guess they just wanted allow no angels club in man seats, a all bergener fast. I don't know how to do it. I mean, once I was watching over was, I was watching a skin flick porn, and with a couple of comments on, we was somebody's apartment, I just got to LA and like I say, who they are. But we put it on. And I don't know why didn't I go that guy Spanish, so it was a black guy, and this Mexican dude? And the to do's went the foot cares. So it no. I said that. No guy and girl. Oh, I thought it was two guys I was watching. I was in comics apartment. Oh, and we were getting ready to go get something to eat. Okay. I've ever going to get something to eat a Jerry's deli. And it was at night. And I we were all meeting a his place, and then he goes, I mentioned this out it a put it on real quick. And I go because I think, oh, I know what it was. We knew one of the girls in the. Yeah. That's what it was could, you know, L A young and you always in the clubs of your people, let me the porn, girls a party in two. So he said, that's what he put it on. And goes look who that is. And it was a girl we tended Jerry's daily numerous times, and I go and the storm Watson it. So I don't know what I'm looking for you at right? So I go guys Spanish. To me like. Cares. What this is. And they look at the girl and I went oh shit, and it was hard. It was girl we'd seen out numerous times we didn't know she was doing port. So when you see her again, Dino, we knew then. But do you mentioned it? Out of subtle. Yes. So we're gonna, but he does well, even the guy okay when I lived with Terence of my, my, I got late in north Hollywood, the guy that lived to three doors down from us was important, and I didn't know it. And so I just see him because we had one of those outdoor hallways on the same floor is like three doors down, and I'd always see him. And he was real cool man. He talk and bullshit. And I just saw him a day one day. We were just talking like literally walked out and in front of apartment, he was standing, there, smoking, a cigarette and as go, a man, he was a sub. I think he recognized me is aiming Ukrainian funny, do man on. Okay. Thanks. And then we started talking, and he told me he was in the adult film industry, my dumb ass was thinking cameraman of thinking, Ali, you produce it or director best buddy mom at a minute, and I'm outlying like three days eight or Keno. Him apartment with like three of his, his his show his tapes. I'm good. I never shook his hand again. I'm thinking whereas handed Ben, I go. I'm not gonna shake your hand today, buddy. He got number dabs. What's up, bro? Brought over his work. Really? Okay. So I think my the best porn, I've ever watched, was okay, so support. Yes. So before I saw I thought my head can was it was good. Then I saw super heads porn, when she did Mr. Marcus, the greatest, you talking about learning some new techniques. And you know something to strive for I mean, she really my game and being I've met, my friend. I'm call you out. I've also you're also Nick but your name starts with v from Cincinnati. I've known her if it was given to me on a disk, I loaned her the disk because I've told her this, this will change gore world. Guess what? She never came back. She never gave this back. But that was the best ever. It's like a teaching like it is a it was a good teaching moment. So if you guys can find super hair and everybody's saying this Airbus now no air my saying, even if you've got a sneak and watch it, it will give you some new techniques. You are telling people like that should just came out. That thing is fifteen years old. They saw they could maybe maybe they knew maybe we're around fifteen. Became an adult determine my fans right now fantasy because they've seen my act. All right. I wrote a joke. I told you about it meet you. I think you brought the somebody gave you know, I, I don't know how I saw in Tampa. My buddy, Ricky had it, and he goes g watches, like a what he was watches this Fugger. Put me in a movie room with surround sound and put it on. I'm like this. So just said, I've known about the watch and then he puts it on I go, holy fuck. He goes, right? He goes dash to do a Mr. marketing Dudack doodo porn, dune it couldn't take it. He could not take her head gang. Well that dude Fook for a living and has stamina. I probably could never dream of as because he looks much even he couldn't last like three minutes. Well, he since dad dead minister Margaret still alive. He's dead. The grand friends check Mr Martin. I know he's alive. He just made a wholesaler, Taylor day somebody else. He's dead. This is not dead. He died of he's not there. Head the chance for market. It's not just made a boast. Okay. It was somebody on his behalf. Some I said he was there but he wasn't. They lied even sitting on that digit. Oh, it's the market isn't. No. Are you? Sure. Yeah. There is September four nine hundred seventy lives in Pomona. He still around cow. Mr marcus. Did you know we thought you were dead? I did not can you do well just around here, you're so there, Mr. Marcus. Why? No, I thought I was dead. He just made a post seven hours ago, I guess you're still alive. He was at this law point in downtown LA to get some fresh air, and he walked up. So I asked them the people of this party, I'm man, he obliged, children and the party people lost their minds a win party people. It was Andre three thousand. Mr. market is still alive. That he's never said he has or he hasn't, so. Okay. No. Okay. Well, I stand corrected Mr. market is still alive. And we are unsure if he has HIV, but he university because I thought he died of HIV that was the story, so he should have corrected the whole damn thing. So people will know I don't have any curriculum. So my dad who will why didn't who said HIV though it in the story of him being dead, who sued the store who made up the story of Ron TMZ year. Civilised. None aging dies of syphilis, by the way, this is not nineteen twenty six to inject syphilis into black, people years and years ago, just to see the things that it will do really. Yes, it turns a blind. Concur, still, they're still doing it out. Think they still injecting at, but syphilis Israel. In fact, just seriously syphilis is running rampant at retirement homes. What? Yes, I really you. Where do you read a lot of stuff that no one knows about? No, I'm serious because the old men are fucking every all the other old ladies. So they all got civilised and they don't use condoms. Yes, is a lot of VDB's. Why going around, I'm telling in civilised is making a comeback. We're. Well, it's not going to make a comeback if everybody's dead. No. But they're still alive. They have a few years left. And I'm just saying. So if you have a mother, or a grandmother, or a woman in a facility, make sure she also has condoms because them all man in there are like I Don died onto heavens are Morita. Okay, seniors at high risk of STD's both this is w subject. I'm not comfortable discussing over it must be become part of a conversation families caregivers an elderly loved ones. I'm talking about seniors and STD's. Article it's an article somebody wrote. So we don't know how sense that you're living in a retirement facility of long. You meet this really charming odor, man. And you guys start to do, for example, between two thousand seven two thousand eleven clue media infections among American six five and over increased by thirty one percent and syphilis by fifty two percent. Most, we were shocked with these disticts, but think about it with the evolution of the little blue pill, which is Agra for men with a wreck. Todd dysfunction and hormone replacement therapies for postmenopausal women sexual in Kansas among the eighties on the rise. So to our STD's. That's crazy. Yeah. The only get that you're that urge to wanna have sex all the time hits. You cause you ain't got a lot of time left. Feel like I get it and I got about a year left. Everything so much. Bingo, you can play. So to me, it makes sense that everybody is having sex with everybody. It just seemed like they would offer condoms on fought in the workers. I'm not fucking always, I'm overweight. Oh, fuck you using that express, I'm like this now thinking eighty five year old Kenya? Thirty five year old twenty five year old who hospice worker my I still love your. You as she brushes against your private parts. Look blue pill ready to get paid. Get to work. On your own. I really love me. As she's what you. Welker? Sorry, kanye. He knew leaguer a true. Some twenty five year old Tinder Rooney. It just felt like it was two thousand and three. That's funny. See, I told you guys know out in every, but you were way of Mr. markets. Okay. I was waiting on. He was dead. He was so adamant. He you know, you guys thought he was dead. You know, they didn't out fully out rumors can get going and become a life of its own without any validation at all. Well, and it makes sense. I'm not his friend. So I guess the dead story was more interested in his post about actually I'm still alive 'cause I don't ever remain. Remember reading in any of my gossip things that, oh, Mr. Marcus actually isn't dead. Was it like one of those media takeout things me? I'm not sure it was me take out what it was something like that. Some sort of gossip online, something right? Right. You were so adamant though, like dude that do not dead that he just released the porn yesterday is he's still doing porn with sickness. What, what exactly is Philis me makes you go blind. What? But there's cures for right? I don't think you can cure syphilis or can you get a shot? Can you you can't hear herpes in? Can you cured gonorrhea? I think you can cure syphilis. This is such a shit show. What are you from concept with Sora? Can you kidding? Is there a pure? That's what you want to know, but it simply cheer with the right treatment also you can't cure it. Can you cure gonorrhea? I'm sure you cure everything. But HIV I think, oh, okay. We'll be careful you all these concepts, and they got all her friends. Can't there's no cure, but how residing kill you either. Yeah. That's all like about. When I get the cold sores on my live. I've been getting like eleven I am gotten in years because they're getting influence the one that come on left. That was from heat being whenever whenever I had football practice in two days in high school. Yeah, get these big canker sores we call him canker sores back, then, on my always my bottom of to number talk, just my, my bottom of big canker, sore when he was just it scab up. You're just like I knew I could feel coming on my God damn it. The next two weeks of Faulk can't go out to say. Who's your? The different. I think there's, like simply simplex a in being all it's still herpes that you'd be like Europeans like it's a, it's a cold sore. The huge difference conversion. No. I didn't even kissed a girl. But I don't I don't get any more because I don't I just don't get them anymore like that. But I was growing up man. He's getting fuckers. Jesus Christ, you, you ever had anything like allergic reaction, ship, alleged, strawberries in the heat of fresh pineapple. Ruin that meets your stop tastes better. So what I eat strawberries does that take masonry better on ever heard that? Hurry, strawberries are good for your vagina okay on ever heard of the strawberry yogurt. Yogurt. Well, it just keeps it healthy. I never heard of that. Yogurt is good because theory. No, but it has some active things for yeast infections. You know. No, sir. I never heard of that pay whatever's in frigging yogurt is good for your vagina, strawberries are good for your vagina, too. So if you're on a date, or you want to have a little extra fun, eat some pineapples, if you are allergic to pineapple such as in my case throwback, a few strawberries K, I'm, I don't know where you'd be reading your, your info from Mr. Mark dead. I'm right. I was right about the STD's in retirement facilities, and I'm correct about the vagina health, the health of your vagina. You know what else helps soap water? Get the be careful with soap the type of soap you put in your vagina or kit. Make a yeast infection. Who knows this? So you have to be careful with the types of soap gives us a very Mout. So did you should not be sticking? So in your vagina. Why not because it's not good for the body, and they say you should also what we're talking about right now. But just let me just quickly finish and you have to be careful about douching, remember, people used to do all the time. I prostitute since I know dishes is like you, it's like a water bottle. It looks like a water bottle thing. And it comes like this long thing and you stick it up your vagina. Is it supposed to clean, because it 'cause it also wants us water? You're good. What was this water in there? I don't know. I think it'd be I do she water males. I don't know. You have to be careful with Dushi. What year was that they were squaring that bottle through post? I was a little girl know it was merit. Remember, you are not it. You dirty dirty dish rag you. And we used to say douchebag, 'cause we, we thought we were Cussing you are not. Ed, you thirty duty douchebag you. Remember, any meaning we say you're a little life. He had any money. Oh, your bed? Your dial your bed, and you are not dirty. Dirty dirty dish rag. The hand nobody knew double. That know we were white. Oh, why beautiful double Dutch clone? He had never seen it. We see. No. We never know trailer parks. We had slip and slides. Yeah. Bikes and we never had roller skates in like that, man rollerskates. Yeah. We had slipped insides, and bikes. Well, then he will combined go a won't go walking. And then we just go walk around chiller part, and we'd solve the world's problems. You guys won't go walking. They knock on the door Santa pond, or late riddle lake. I those much of the parks called island lake mobile community, and we had a lake in the middle of trailer park. That's nice they had the biggest carp and snapping turtles, man. But there is a little island right in the middle number. We take we had inflatable raft. And we took it out there one day, and there is nothing on the island just weeds in, like old bird shit. Like ducks would go there and later eggs and stuff. Oh, a sweet like this. We had great plans like he's going to have like a baloney sandwich picnic on island. I go silent kind of sucks. Cosies different people on it. Some frie- baloney, what is in bologna, because I'm a real animal. No, I think it's a bunch of port parts, terrible port pots like Corp pork pop parts, like hotdogs, slum nasty. Well, what was that was on? My baloney has a first time Oscar Mayer. A are a baloney has a second name of, why are you eat it every day. And if you ask me, while say Oscar Mayer has away of Bill. L. O. D. N A Vernay, just like kicks kicks supposed to be goods. It's disgusting serial ever invented this. You just need a little sugar. No. Would they said? No. It's kid. Tested, mother, approved was the commercial kit tested with a little sugar in what she has tested that nasty ass is not nasty. Who's it has? No taste catch has no taste at all none. Okay. It's disgusting. All right, my oddly enough with the to this what we got Mr. Marcus still alive. Syphilis is running rampant at oaths home and a stupor head has a great. I knew that you ain't got. You gotta get a DVD just just go to any porn site, and look type in super Hedda, Bishop pups, though. I bet and I bet you learn a little technique, little Karan. You're amazing. Thank you. You saved many. Relationships Corinne, Stephens. Thank you Krim wishes. Nice lady, too. I like to rim every time I met her. She was nice. What I introduce you to her and I interviewed a for a radio show, and she was awesome and who guys who got her on your show, you immed- 'cause she was dating somebody, Gary new, but I'm just saying I was no hidden agendas, like yeah. I met grinchey nice elector won a number. There you go. And you like there you got the interview you go out there. I think she was nice. She's. Yeah. She's charming. She was a good interview. Do you have to be? Because when I met her as I now, I get it because I always said, why guys sleep with her, and blah, blah. And they know their business going to be out there and fifty minutes of talking to arrested. Okay. She's got something she'll on the shit out of you also know you're in her book. I think it's kind of like a Taylor swift thing like you date Taylor swift. You now you're going to be some sort of song. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I think somebody's dude, I can't, of course, can't the you don't that kissing tail or sometimes people are nice in, then they have a super crazy side. So I mean this pay attention to all stories regarding somebody you about to involve yourself with 'cause there has to be everybody tells the same story is somebody is bad. She crazy or just malicious or gone till all your business. I mean you cannot, you're not going to be the different ones. So. Just take it with a grain of salt, lit. What you're getting yourself into are wealthy on the flip side of that. I think it makes people that much more attractive that are private what that her private that they, you don't know shit about them. They don't put the price out private. I think that's that's I mean, obviously, for from guy looking at other guys, like like Denzel is the sex of it, because he's an amazing actor diesel dude. But he keeps the ship private. You know, he don't know anything about him and his wife is not in the blogs, not go out like that. They're I think like people's funding attractive, like they don't put other business out there. I think so. I think he was attractive, just because he was like I never thought about that, like, like in, like his training days of I'm used like to Jesus asks letters to that movie training days. When training day trained. Today movies ball, already a sex away before training for me, and America would is a gangster, American gangster. You know, he's so powerful in, you know, women like power. That's so powerful like he can protect you. So I'd be nervous him 'cause that'd be nervous. Hey, that'll that deals that equaliser still good a shit. He ain't that old, but I was just like I would not wanna fuck up my line. I, I they on up like this fuck you better hit this move after the third fourth day you're in the groove. But that first day off. Yeah, don't fuck up this line different kind of sexy now. I, I mean, I it was like okay Denzel can get it. I think now when you see Denzel you're like, oh, did I meet you? But you're not thinking he can get it bullshit. However, you one the few think nine women's, Debbie like Denzel can get very are the most guys who still fucking earner panther. They'll get MS. We care Tina Turner, seventy whatever. Years old. Yeah. That'll keep out Wilding. Do you think you move into untouchable category? At a certain age or maybe but it's I mean even our associate teams are fifteen twenty years ago. Yeah, that's different. To me, the baddest woman of all, I've had go ahead. Pam Grier in the seventies. Rulli. Fuck foxy Brown in the seventies that was the perfect body skin tone, bad, ass, motherfucker in the movies, like this, Richard Pryor, Mosey Joe's Richard Pryor because of his jokes. I've just Richard Pryor because he got the bang Pam Grier in the nineteen seventies clubs. She, yes, she still lives to, to all right way to end on a happy new, I know fish. I'm just kidding. Gary gets up podcast. We'll see all next week. If you wanna listen to my podcast, just search Garryowen past tag get some.

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S2 Ep. 10: Dave Ahdoot

Green Eggs and Dan

50:01 min | 10 months ago

S2 Ep. 10: Dave Ahdoot

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He's done more than a dozen twelve of commercials and he was a writer on. Hbo's night of too many stars. There Robert Smuggle Ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome to green eggs and Dan Brother Day. Now we have very similar voices so this is going to be a little confusing for you. It's the same exact voice actually. Just imagine if I was very like if I had a couple of concussions and or stoned July ten lines of coke before yeah getting on here and that'll be. Dan and I'm the one that sounds. Don't yeah he's the stone concussed custom version coked up David. I'm very excited to have you here. I wanted to have you on the show for two seasons now right and luckily We've been blessed with enough guests where we weren't. We didn't have to make that happen today. today you had a cancellation a cancellation last minute. Cancellation and what did I say? I called you and I said Hey Dave. Are you ready for your big break now? I said Opportunity Opportunity is when is when you least expect it or is it luck. Luck is when opportunity and preparation come together lied collide and here we are Lauren. Lap Gifts. Thank you for giving David his biggest break ever. Oh man green eggs in Dan. I'm very excited to have you here. Because you and I have various sorted pass when it comes to food. Yeah totally we. We used to butt heads a lot when it came to food. You Make Fun of me a lot when it comes to food still. Yeah you still make fun of me. A Lot And yet now I have the number one food podcasts in the country well it was short lived. Now it's probably number seven talk about. I don't even know what's in the top twenty okay for a day or so. It was good bone. Apetite was thirty eight hours but before we get into our sorted food pass. I'm going to go through your fridge now. You can follow Dave dude quote unquote. S- Fridge on my instagram at stand up Dan and the reason I put us virgin quotes is because I am currently living in New York and Dave is currently living in L. A. Yeah and we're staying each other's homes and old fashioned swab. It's an old fashioned meet cute. Oh Jeez so we have. This is actually my fridge with. I'd say a quarter are my ingredients and three cores yours Let's go through it. Same more half and half half and now number one what you'll notice and David dudes fridge that you wouldn't notice in mind is that there's really. It's very high. Entropy things strewn about everywhere. Okay no order. You you have your. You have your robe. Lacroix down there which I love which were pretty well. I think they're well organized organized by flavor. You know when I organize my Lacrosse. I point all the labels in the same. I hate everything about you. And you have something else next. Lacroix's that you actually introduced me to yesterday for the first time. I didn't introduce you to Shark Tomorrow Ed. Laurie Robert Visser wonderful and Barbara. Yeah they introduced us all to genius coconut genius genius. Coconut water water. It's a smoothie what they do is they take a full coconut. They'd take all the juice and the meat of the coconut and blended all together. So it's kind of like coconut smoothie. Yeah it's it's really nice. Not that not that. They need any more advertising. They've already got the Shark Tank. Bump that downtown downtown but it is so delicious highly recommended. Yeah then I'M GONNA skip overall advice. Let's see stuff on top. I have a bunch of pickles. Fermenting eating thank you. Have you good good for good health? It is you have exon. Exon eggs ran the third. Row there. What's that about the only dish? I can make eggs. Yeah Yeah it's pretty much the only thing I do you cook your eggs Dave. I do a soft scramble. Oh Yeah or a fold over Omelette. The old fold over. Yeah how're most omelettes? Made if not folded over opened open face on. Have you ever had an open face omelette? Probably a diner some. I think it's a thing. Yeah I made that up. But it's actually a thing trying to funny but then I thought it's actually the thing so I stopped. Yeah what is this here? Is this a diet? Hanson's that's dances. That's my girlfriend's girlfriends. Drinking it I think that my girlfriend drinks Diet Hanson's to well look at us. Shot out the ladies that out to the ladies put up with the ladies who couldn't do any better than the Duke Brothers Hall. I see you see you. And then you've got the almond milk. Which is a thing that I'd like to talk to you about sure. You used to be a fat guy. Yeah and then. You made some changes. I did that guy anymore. I'm not a factor and it was one of those things where I used to make fun of you a lot. Yeah I would I would relentlessly make fun of you. I'd say you were gross. I'd say you're fat and gross. Yeah and gross and fat and grow so fat and then I saw you once and you looked really skinny which makes first of all you're welcome for all the fat shaming it. You'd literally shamed me so much and then it didn't motivate me to lose but once I lost weight I had it in my head. So that when you who look disgusting compared to me now like you just have a gross blobby body right now. I just haven't had it all. I had it all stored for moments like this way better than your it is and you said that a lot of the reason was you made these little changes and You told me you stopped drinking dairy. You Start You subbed in the almond milk subbed. In well you know. I drink coffee two to three times. A day in coffee used to be sugar and milk And then I got rid of sugar milk right and now it's just black now just black coffee or you don't even put the amount now and then you stopped eating. You stopped grazing. Allow us to be a grazer. I used to be grazer. Yeah no I stopped. I tried to cut out carbs as much as I could. Yeah and it's very impressive. Soda used to drink soda and like snapple. It's very amazing to me that you and I grew up in the same household. Yeah because I feel like. We had a very strict household when it came to food totally. We had our mom who would always cook a meal from scratch for dinner We all sit around and have dinner together. And she's an amazing cook. My Dad who spent a lot of his formative years in Europe and was was on the organic train way before it was even a thing in America totally so we were having you know while our friends were having fruit loops and cocoa puffs for breakfast. Yeah we had we. The the thing is organic in the eighties. There weren't many organic options. Like now you can get the there's supermarkets that are only organic right and there used to be fucking a quarter of an aisle was the organic section. And he would he would go on on these business trips and Switzerland and bring stuff back. Yeah like cereals. He would bring the worst serial awful cereal and I went to a friend's house once and had fruity pebbles and I was like what is this so then I can drive. I think I was ten. I left home and I didn't run away I left and walked to the nearest place. That sold fruity pebbles. Yeah and what it did was. I bought the fruity pebbles. Took them out of the box and put them in the organic box right and then dad found and I kept doing that. I would walk to the rite aid which was like a mile walk with a mission with like quarters and bought fruity pebbles and put him into the fucking Kashi Bach. Oh my God and he hit you back when hitting was okay. We grew up Our Our dad beat the shit out of a love him. Yeah we have a complex relationship. Yes so Yeah no you hit me when he found one hundred percent. Oh my God. Do you remember that time when we? I don't know if you remember this but dad like would hit the bottom of our foot like that was his thing. You'd like get like a little like a hanger stick and hit the bottom of our foot like punishment. I didn't get much. You'RE GONNA get a lot of a lot of the foot. Hangars wants I remember I was like I put a deck of CARDS IN MY SOCK. So that my soul cars there and I started like pissing that off. And he's like I'm GonNa hit you in the vote. I'm like okay. And then he fucking hit me in the float but he was hitting the deck of cards and I started laughing and then he took the deck of cards out and hit me in the foot He's a great guy though but speaking of dad though I think that a lot of my love for food and becoming a Foodie and all that came from him right You know you always wanted to go. You always went to tonight's restaurants and stuff like that yeah. I'm curious why it seemed like because you didn't have that for a long time. You're you know you'd always have like a cheetos in the car. You'd have the bags of stuff like that. I'm trying to think of places where you know. I was just like dude. Why are you doing that? And you like shout man like it seemed like I maybe leaned into dad's stuff and maybe you rebelled against it. Yeah I think. It started with the fruity pebbles. The cash the cash is what got me yeah And I think then I was just Kinda like doing all this unhealthy stuff. I was doing it secretively. Yeah and I liked the thrill it was more of a thrill for me than in the organic stuff. Oh yeah since thrilling. So what happened to you that you turned because now you you're You'RE PRETTY HIGH. Level Food nerd you seek out great restaurants. Yeah you don't really. You never picked up on cooking. That never really became a thing for you. I don't know if you heard the egg thing I said about four to five minutes almost Let's not open your balance. Yeah I guess it. It really just started with being healthier you know. I think that was really my main motivation. What are we talking? How long ago probably I would say probably ten years ago ten years ago. Yeah okay ten years ago is when I started focusing more on healthy stuff that not shit. What was some shit that you were eating that you decided to cut out like take aroused six? Oh Yeah you love the crispy macho stick. You'd call Matz Matz. It angers me so much angers me so much and I love that. And that's why I like saying Matz Matz the yeah. You do a lot of that on John. Oh yes so I I did. What else did it fries. Chicken fingers you. You were like a kid's menu guy up until you were thirty kids. Yeah but it was due the artichoke pizza late night. I remember lived across the street from artichoke. Pizza in New York right when it came out so it was like the biggest claim more with my brother right after this spilled milk is a comedy show about food hosted by award winning. Writers Molly Wisenberg and Matthew Amsterdam. Every week. They start with a food related topic from shrimp cocktail to barbecue sauce. Ice Cream sandwiches but will probably end up talking about their love of cool ranch. Doritos or debating. Who has the most valuable character? On Friday Night Lights. The New York Times recently named spilled milk one of six podcasts to feed your inner Gorman and describe the show as less deliberately educational than other food podcasts right up my alley. New episodes of spilled milk air every Thursday. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts back to Dave. Do you have a meal that you remember so it was less about like like the the thrill the high of getting an amazing meal and more about like. I need to change my lifestyle choices because this is unhealthy. Yeah Yeah I think it was just more quality food. That's kind of how it started. What was was there a meal though that you remember that you were like. Oh Shit I actually. This is really good. I need to start. I like nice food. I like good food. That actually tastes better. You mean like growing up like something in your twenties or thirties like a meal. That that that that maybe yes. You didn't initially get into being into food. Because of the epicurious aspects you've got the health aspects but was there something that you were like. Oh Fuck I think because you are more of an epicure now I think you don't just do it for health right now that's true. I think You know like you said Dad and they would take us to a ton of restaurants and also take us all over the world so we got to try all different types of cuisine. Is David try to remain like a blue collar food podcast yeah all over the weekend of Staten Island man? We saw Staten Island Nile over spring. Break Yonkers you know we. We were very fortunate. Our parents traveled a lot and they took us with them and we were first class hotel rooms. Even though we only needed to not true I am one of you. Listen that's not true. We didn't fly First Class But yes so. I think we were exposed to all different foods but I think there I mean. I'm trying to think of like A. There is a neo key dish in Vannice found this like random restaurant I don't know if you call it and we found that it wasn't like this is like before yelp and all that shit just kind of found it walking by and we had an Yorkie and I think we went back there like four times. It was the one where they would put the Y. And your table and you can take as much as you wanted something like that. I wasn't drinking then so I'm not sure how I'm trying to remember. I think I know you're talking about so neil key was what did it for that. That meal always stands out in my mind a weird flavor if you've have never had it before it totally because it's very. It's not like something that you just go and pick up by and also. There's such a huge difference between store neo key and and handmade whereas pasta. There's a difference but it's not as as huge. I think I think maybe like the potato doesn't freeze. Well I've never made mielke once in my life so I don't know but that was a fresh milk. Either you had. It was a fresh new key. Yeah and that was probably I think it was like probably held worry that trip. Do you remember when we were young. I think that's probably fourteen or fifteen but I do. Yorkie a very soft food thing that you bring that up fell in love with soft foods because my brother David doot. Yeah has a phobia. It's something that might. I always thought these things are just like made up sicknesses now but I think they might be real. David has a thing. Where if he's if you here's crunching around him. Yeah crunching food. He fucking loses his mind like flips. The table has to leave the room literally. We had lunch in two different rooms today. Actually at at the house because I was having like a crispy like it was like a pickled red cabbage yeah the crispy s eating it like fucking with reckless eating like a normal human being each food. Yes I was eating it. David had to get up and go to the other room just chopping on cabbage their hose. What was the story that you were on a date or something? Oh Yeah I was on a second date with a girl and our first date was fantastic. So the the worst thing for me is ice chewing. That's like the. It's like the nails on a chalkboard times. One hundred where I can just feel like my blood boiling and it just to visceral reaction. I'm just even talking about right now. Feeling it is squirming in his chair because of ice during anyway told this girl about the my thing with ice chewing second date and then she cute. Louis took the ice from her water and walked over to me and started chewing it in my ear and I was like no. I'm serious. This is something I don't really like I'd appreciate if you didn't do that. And then she again did it again. And that was the moment I knew I was never going to see this person cow and I never did see me over and I said Nope I'm going home. Yes sorry a Mile Clooney. Yeah they didn't work out with. David was the one that is so funny to me. Because it's like it has a name but it was a meet cute that turned into A. I'm never gonNA see you again Q. Totally was so excited about the day at the beginning and that was a collar on the phone right now. I'd prefer not actually. I saw her recently really. Yeah I didn't tell you this. Is Sarah Lualaba store? Okay yeah whatever as doing some holiday shopping. And she was there and we made eye contact and just limit. I pretended like I needed to read. All the ingredients of La La Bo started picking them up my God reading about Pachulia Shit. Oh Wow yeah so it was It's a real thing real cold strangers at restaurants to please stop chewing is next to me. Yeah the funniest is I think when you were telling me when you got a night of too many stars in the writer's room and we're like I staff writing job so totem pole and then one of the higher level writers started chewing is no so The Way Roberts Michael would come in and just like all right guys writes something for Ben Stiller and then we have to brainstorm. And we'd all just open a Google doc and ideas and it was just dead silent in the room then. One of the senior writers took Pretzel Rods and just started shopping on them and it was the loudest thing I it was just so loud and head was doing headphones really so I just had to. It was kind of like my What's that therapy? When they dislike? Immersive their therapy. Yeah it was my immersive therapy and I'm still fucked up but I was good for a little during that. Yeah it was. It was the I couldn't come up with any good ideas. It just ruined my whole. It's very funny because you're not a type person in my like you're you're you're the most like you're very go with the flow guy type. Q hype Gamma Gamma Male. What does that mean and the back that thing creates such visceral reaction? It makes. It's one of my almost probably one of my favorite things about you. It is and you don't abuse it although you do like telling if you tell little kids then they don't they don't care they think it's hilarious and they keep doing you also have a weird now you just turn into like it's not even a phobia you have a hate of your mother chewing for some reason. It's your mother chewing food could be. It doesn't have to be crunchy. Armagh lovely lady lovely. She tries to give herself sustenance. David goes into a frenzy. Only I don't know why. But it's really heightened with mom like data come home with Baghdad's and I'll be like Oh shit put up with this toasting and I run in and like lower the darkness. God Yeah I don't know why that is but now I've gotten a fight with a friend recently and and didn't talk to them all night if I if I tell someone about it and then they do it to fuck with me then that lake that you really over really me up yeah. Yeah we're on this phone. That's what it has done since you've moved to La. Have you discovered any any types of food that are different than New York or better than New York that you can't get anywhere? Sushi in La is definitely better. Yeah no surprise there yeah also Mexican. Yeah and I heard Taco window is gone is it? Yeah no alcohol. Window was a great restaurant in West. Adams and it was like this hipster French guys who were making tacos. Yeah and they were like it. It was fantastic So yeah the I mean I think the I think. New York's Rahman game is I. I think there's disputes about that but I think New York's Rahman game might be but I also don't eat Tom Katsu now. You don't need to go to David's a good Jew. That's another food thing that separates us. You're better than I am. I'm a better Jew and I've been I've kind of shutting my layers and the only hold out things for yet. We both grew up. Kosher and I rebelled quickly after college. Yeah and start eating pork and everything and love it. All David doesn't each. David does eat shellfish now. Mom If you're listening no she. She doesn't have podcasts. He lies to my parents. Do lied to my parents shellfish. I'm scared who he can't come out of the closet with the with the non-kosher Say That jokingly but when I told my mom that I was kosher she like had like fucking breakdown so they weren't coaching. I wasn't good so I get it but it's funny. The reason you know the reason why started eating shellfish now wasn't because I was curious about shellfish but as dating a girl who wasn't Jewish and still not. I'm assuming and and I was like you know. I told her that I wanted like she. Just thought that we can take things to the next level. Because she wasn't Jewish and I was like no. I want to show you that. I'm like cool with it. Oh so we went out to John Dory. Yeah in Ace Hotel. Yes in April. Bloomfield's restaurant Bloomfield's got. I think it's got the whole empire is crumbling And I in one sitting for the first time ever Tad every type of shellfish wasters for the first time all in one meal us. There's lobster octopus Scallops that is not a good introduce yourself ams literally every single type like all of it all and I did it all in one sitting and some of it was great and some of it I hate it and I still hate. I had a clam. My first thing was a giant clam at Gross Chinese restaurant. Chinatown yeah head of Raw. And it was fucking. I still am not a huge fan of clubs. That is crazy. That is first of all. You need to be more confident in yourself. No love yourself a little more with a find. The girl who makes me pork. Well this is what angers me is because you kept saying to me. You know what I'm going to eat pork but the only way I'll do it is if I go to stay. Spain fellow Alana and I cannot e- Barikot poor vehicle board which for those of you don't know Barikot pork is the most magical kind of pork there. These pigs these black in Spain that eat a mountainside and there's have acorns and listened to Flamenco and they their meat is the most delicious pork. You can buy hands down even an Italian hotel. Even a French person will tell you. No one's pork comes close. So David was in Barcelona Barcelona. He saw the leg. Yeah he remembered his vow to me right not strong as valid through the girl that he went on two dates with. That's very true. And and then I saw Moses some Moses in the leg of him in the leg of him yeah and he said please don't do the newsflash. Moses was actually Spanish. He's split the Red Sea then split the Mediterranean. Who's walked over that to to Seville? Yeah no I don't know why I just did it with Mike who also is a poor called out. Yeah and then I was like if he doesn't do it my you got to do it. And then I kinda like my cop-out Mike wasn't doing it so mad so what I'm getting. Is that your principles. Only lie in. Who's sitting across from you? That's exactly what it is. Well hundred percent well. Why don't mind principles cow? I will make a guarantee on the air that if you and I are in Barcelona or a Beatha and by plane tickets right now. I'm playing tickets and then I will have is really going to be a weird and guilt if I'm with you're GONNA be like in a fetal position in the corner of the hotel room feeling guilty and they'll do a follow up episode of yet my resentment that back to David in a minute but first a little more about my favorite guilty pleasure Ibirico pork sure it might not be great for the spiritual health of the Jews but could it be good for our fiscal health because of the fact that these pigs are fed a diet of wild acorns and walnuts their fat develops an obscene amount of oleic acid a monounsaturated fatty acid much like that of olive oil. In fact the fat on these pigs is closer to olive oil and health benefits than any animal fats. So yes you might go to hell for eating them. But at least you'll be in great shape down there. Okay back to David. Are you ready for your rapid fire? Questions yeah okay. These are fun. I'm very curious what your answers to these. Because I don't know the answers to them What is your earliest food memory? Earliest food memory is Think CHOCOLATE MOUSSE CHOCOLATE. Mousse good one. We remember that your listeners. Our Dad would go to Switzerland All of our stories making sound like these fucking error errors of a fucking fato hassle. Father would go to Switzerland. Yeah and he would buy Chocolate milk powder. What do you remember the brand? No but I remember. It was like a brown. Yeah expensive we're we're commoners were just very okay And we'd end. Our MOM would take she would shoot basically take chocolate powder powder. Yeah and then a shift on a sugar butter and then a raw egg. Yes and mix it all together. I think it was the raw egg yolk. It wasn't the white. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure and mix them. This was apparently before. Salmonella wasn't fucking raw egg. Yeah like Rocky Style and it was delicious. It was sweetened. You mentioned the butter a dab of butter in there more than a DAB. Yeah and it was delicious. Mom had all these little Hobo foods that she made like Hobo Chocolate Mousse she also made like the eggs towed in a hole total which is like the piece of bread with the hole in the middle. Which is like it's like. It's like a Hobo Hunter food. And then she would. Makers the eggs with frankfurters where she would chop up a hot dog and just like the road and some eggs and be like are. I'm telling you are. Mom is a fucking Hobo. I'm still get down with that. The Liz. Yeah it's really good. What is your death row meal? You're on death row you. Someone was chewing way too loud. You couldn't take it and you put an icepick in their chest up. Sounds about right and d'etre now on death row I would probably Prior to a big steak you know I think the Cajun. Rabbi at Brian Cooper is slowly becoming my favorite steak. I agree with you and it's funny because I made fun of that state the first time I heard of it because he called the Friday Friday. David Dude Have to talk about fatty a term that I think I made to make fun of you. Yeah that David likes to take things and Frat them up like. It's like how a fraternity how you imagined you know. Put Ranch on everything you know. Take my Sushi and put it in the ill sauce and the crunchies how FRATTON IT UP. Fry IT so when. I heard Brian Cooper steakhouse which is probably my favorite steak house in New York. Now Long Island they have something called the Cajun. Rabbi which is like a blackened rib I was like no this is against everything everything they that that is pure in the steakhouse. World you on minimal sauce you are minimal fucking with us. Want a good. We know you want me to fuck employees which he wanted the pledge to fucking Cajun Fraternity hazing Cajun Al Kappa Kappa A- and it is divine. Oh so good it is very so I would say. Probably that steak with a bunch of those you know. I love the sticky sides but I can only debt meal once in a while. You know this is your last one It's my last one but yeah like a crispy. You know well-done potato. Yeah more like keep. Keep frying that Shit. Yeah Frat out spinach. Yeah little MAC and cheese Yeah Yeah die of heart disease with for the for the. What is the best high end meal that you've ever had the best gramercy tavern work okay? Yeah I don't think I've ever had like a meal. There really The backroom I don't think I don't think the unites to room. Yeah there's like a barroom. There's a back room you were in the back room of the borrow. The backroom okay. I I helped. I used to do real estate and I helped to buddies find find an apartment and instead of paying me my six thousand dollar fee. They took me out to dinner to a two hundred dollar now. They did We did the wine pairing and Max One of the guys used to be a host there so it was like the tasting menu on steroids. They just kept like it might have been double the tasting menu. Wow and they just brought all the special stuff out I think there was like a coach lobster. There was a duck Kofi There's so much wine and this is the only meal that I've ever had where I ate and drank so much that I literally fell asleep before I fell asleep before able at the table. Oh my God very fancy restaurant my God. It was a happy sleep and they kept waking me up for the new dish. Wow wake up for the last three dude I was. It was just so much food and so much drink and I kept just falling asleep. I just ate myself to sleep. Oh my God I remember it being the best meal and I went to Stone. Barns like the same month in a really and everyone was saying stone barns was was the best meal in New York and I was like Nope grammercy. Tomlin's beat no way. Yeah Wow yeah I want to get to some Friday that we can hope we can edit in Andrew right okay. Speaking of Frattini's. Yeah what what are your top you. You make these FRAT inventions you. F- ratify foods. What are what are some of the fat foods? I'm forgetting right now. For some reason but you have like some things some orders that you do the way you order them. Well that's actually one of my drunk foods. Oh yes wait a sandwich. Yeah that's I called you drunkenly from New York one's asking you from fucking Bodega tasks exams. You have the best tastic. Bodega Drunk Sandwich. So it's a chicken cutlet. Yeah with lettuce tomato fresh Matz fresh Matz melted on. It's got to be melted on. Yeah Russian dressing and Jalapenos and it's so funny because every time I ordered and it's Bodega this day acts got. It's gotta be fucking four dollars. Yeah and every time I order I always say and Let me get some Jalapenos. And the guy's like Oh your Spanish and I'm like no I just not pronounced Jalapenos so I never pronounce it incorrectly anymore. But that's my frat tasks sandwiches which is still my go-to drunk food. It's it's it's so good it's so good it's so good call you drunkenly to get the. Yeah what else do I fret? Saracho every slice of Raja. Raja everything I put my mom. We'll make Persian cuisine. Persian foods like very authentic Persian food that she slaves over Nice subtle flavors and David will just fucking bathe it in Saratoga Saracho everything everything everything yeah trying to think of. What of Weird things that you've Saracho but you do you put it in Tacos. You'll Saracho Saracho ice cream. Sometimes if you want the sweet savor come on. Yeah Are you serious? You SARACHO ICE CREAM. Half your fucking. I was definitely sober. You're dead to me Now how are we the same dude? I bet you change coming out with fucking Saracho a ice cream soon. That's probably true. Actually yeah okay. What does the best low end meal that you've ever had best low end meal I've ever had is probably think like I want to say Mamoon Sharma. Oh Helen Hong actually. That was her favorite. I think was amendments philosophy. Is that right? Yeah Memories Shawarma which. I've never had sober again another thing. You need to have drunk 'cause if you have it sober it's way too salty. It just doesn't seem to work but when you're drunk interest rave that saltiness in the the crisp the crisp the onion. Yeah like just Tahini all over your sleeves. Yeah that's just fantastic. That's a good one. That's a good low end. There's also John famous noodles. Oh was that I never went to the ones I kept asking you. That's your problem dude. Okay I want to open your eyes to food. Come with me. We're going to go to a place that was known for their which they thrown every dish. Creatively you don't even know miracle carrots so thin and then I'm like Dude. You got to come to this place. You don't respect my food food. Let's talk about that. Why are you spend any time? You say let's go try silently yes and then I said let's go and by the way it was like featured on Bourdain and everything like it's been written up a million time right right you know why now and I wasn't the first one and now it's like there's like thirty of them but yeah it's fucking great and you still haven't gone kept telling me to go and I kept. Okay David. Yeah we'll go. Yeah and then it became a hit and I was like oh he was right. I steer you wrong. You've never really steered me wrong. I think it's just you know I think it's the Shit Pal. The fatty the Friday NECE V. I just I just assume that I'm a lot better at food than you are rare. You're better at a lot of things than I am. But food is one of the things that I just. You know right so you don't take suggestions from anyone that you don't respect yes at all. Yeah so you don't respect me. I don't respect you when carrying. Yeah Yeah Okay. Next question to the next question is what's your favorite drunk food. I'm assuming that it's that sandwich. You got that. Yeah hundred percent. What ABOUT FAVORITE HANGOVER? Food Cheeseburger cheeseburger. Yeah always justice. Friday cheeseburger interesting any specifics. Any specific ones in New York or in La. Yeah in New York. I think the I'm trying to think of which ones you know. I keep moving. So it's it's always changes the K. Johnny Burger in Bushwick. Was that the one that the Pakistani place we got together. O those fantastic cheeseburger. But it's one of my favorite Burger Burger. Yeah it's all it's got Chutney and yogurt. It's all. It's it's just spiced fantastically one of those big old. Patty's past you keep making the sound well there which is gonNA gross out our listeners Like you just suck in air. What are you sucking in air and saliva? For some reason I had. I was sick for ten days and I'm still a little congestive teases Chris. Oh by the way I just realized I tell you how I thought about this because I I wanted to tell you that agnosio hangover. Food wasn't a banana dog. And then I was like David apart investor of Stella as well. And you didn't even throw that in your your intro. You are a restaurant tore my brother. I milk it a lot. Less than you back in I like would be like you're like fuck a brick by brick laid down expel a put a picked out. The kitchen picked out the cutlery. That's all me I go to the DMV THERE. Like your social. I was like no but I'm one of the owners of Stella. Yeah that I don't use it as much as I am just as much of an owner as you are. Do you have a smear? My basic ask food. Do you have a favorite celebrity chef like and it can be either an actual chef or like you know Jane or I think my favorite You're GonNa hate me because it's your least favorite. I think David Chang yeah man I tell me why. Tell you vince me. I think you I used to live on First Avenue Fourteenth Street which is right next to sandbar. Yeah New York and he had these Brussel sprouts that he made the Bulla. Brussel sprouts. Yes and it was all Frat it up. He added them up and fish sauce. He introduced fish sauce to the Brussel sprout? Which was a game changer? Because no one was using fish sauce as an additive like that. Yeah in-app in like side. I actually use all my Bra straps that I make you shit on the sky repeatedly and and and then you. You still has fish sauce game and don't give him props that he deserves. The only reason I shouldn't have is because we went to this restaurant. We went to his restaurant in downtown. And the least pleasant person to dine with because we were all enjoying our meal. You're only God. We just like shitting on Korea right now like. I don't need someone to take Korean food and like American. Is it for me? And it was like the best that we were just like. Oh this is so good and then you had major Domo. Yeah every dish. Well it just seems to me that he is just whitewashing Korean food and making it just palatable enough for white people to be like. Oh take all my money David Chang. And he's not like doing anything. I in my opinion is not doing so creative to it to be like. Oh this is a new kind of cuisine. He's taking Korean dishes and lightning them. I don't know I just. There was something that seemed a little bit like. He was culturally appropriate in his own culture. In a way 'cause own culture yeah I just didn't I don't know and it's also expensive. Look I also am just but my main reason for not being a fan is just because I think that he used to be great and then I think he just wanted to take over the world and make a lot of money and expand like crazy and I just have never had anything. That is so like mind boggling. But he like walks around like he's you know the authority on everything. You have the duck at Sombor. No I hear. It's great. I mean I think that's his main. I had as I had I went to his I went to I had his Rahman and I fucking hated it. I didn't have it because I don't eat pork. Thank you has. She can't eat half of David tanks. Food what I thought. You're going to say Mr Mr tasters quickly becoming my favorite celebrity guy. I WANT TO GET. Mr Tasted on the podcast. Mr Taster is a food blogger in Iran Who has an Instagram at Mr Taster? Mr Dot tasted history And he's just he's he's like this. Chubby like bald but like has like sideshow. Bob Hair sides with big glasses. And he's just the for the most lovable character you taste a huge 'em we talk to each other and instagram. It melts my heart and you snapshot it send it out party mode. I know like literally. It's what does literally just mentioned him. So you could tag him on the atmosphere What is Your Desert Island food? You're on a desert island. Yeah there's one food you're going to be able to. You can have for the rest of your life and that's it. What is it going to be? Could it be a restaurant like okay? We brick by brick bring a restaurant on the desert island. What is that? I'M GONNA guess? Yeah Cipolla no no. Let's what's your problem. What kind of garbage restaurant is David? I think I could eat sugar fish everyday. Sugar fish which I know very basic ass answer. No it's not sugar fish again for all the non La people you've heard about it a bunch. I actually when people come to La and they say what restaurants. I go down like you should go to that. Should be one or places because it's such an interesting la staple. It's like fast food Sushi but also not. It's fantastic. It's as I say before you guys have heard of before it's the USO of Sushi's solid. You know what you're getting. Yeah I think I could just eat it every I mean. I think that's something that you want dessert. You can eat every day. Did you say a desert island deserted? Oh these hit a desert island and on my desert on. I'd do Banana Flambe. What is there a food that you cannot just can't stand it? Yeah Persimmons that are not ripe. Oh an unripe persimmons. The worst fucking thing I've ever put it just kills me writing about it. You're right and what does to my mouth. It's you know this is very funny. They're saying this because we were you and I were making fun of our mom back to mom a couple months ago because our mom really get a kick out of your. Farsi is a very old language way older than English and it's a very dense language and they have a lot of words for things that we don't have words for in English and my mom gets such a fucking kick out of like showing us off on how great Persian is. And how they have this word that we don't have so much pride it's the Hugh stupid idiotic. You take. English is sophisticated language. Do you have they wait for. When you put a stamp on the wrong side of the envelope. Me To click and she'll just go through lists of using. She just told me a word the last time I was in New York. There's a word for when you eat a persimmon and it's not ripe. No Yes yes yes yes shut up three said it's gas it means that it's a word reserved persimmon Jusuf. It's not like it's not. It's not unripe like as an any fruit. It is a persimmon that gives you drive out. Gas Man fucking hilarious. Shit I guess David Do. Do you have a restaurant pet peeve? You know your brother. You've sat with your brother at restaurants restaurant pepease. I'm probably very annoying to eat with. Yeah I think. My pet peeve is going to people who think they're superior to The chef and like oh. I Cook this better than this guy. I mean going to eat with people on e. with them. I'm you're you're my pet peeve. You're literally my view and listening to you. Yeah Yeah that anything. Because that's the thing we go to restaurants Davidson. There's excited to be on my knelt. They're using one hundred fifty volt lights right over our table. We need to move. Yeah no I mean I think I am where he's going to do something that I think you instilled in me. That kind of bothers me now is when they take your plate when other people are still eating hate it which I didn't hate it all make whatever I get it and you need to wash the dishes but then I sat you enlighten me. And that's the only good thing I've gotten out of you in life. I'm that now David Dude. Thank you so much for being a guest on green eggs. Dan Is there anything that you'd like to plug? I guess just my twitter and Instagram. David do twitter and instagram. David thank you again and Thank you. I'm glad I can fill in if anyone sees my brother eating out. And you take a video of you chewing ice next to him and you send it to me. I will then Mo you twenty bucks. That is a promise and I will thank you dave. 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