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15. Professional Liars

Bag of Lies

29:47 min | 2 weeks ago

15. Professional Liars

"Hello beautiful liars. Should and it's me serena and we're bag of live we are where the podcast explores identity and community through the lens of the harmless wet lows. We'll tell keyword harmless very heartless no family under couch. Chairs cushions nothin. We only want those good good harmless harmless. All right so serena. What do we have for the listeners. This week this week we are talking to a professional hirer who deals with professional lawyers. Air barr thank you. Thank you just trying to keep up with you so this week. We are talking about work. Related interview lies interviews her tense times. Occasionally people myself included have definitely told a couple white lies in interviews to make ourselves sound better and look better to our potential employers. And we're gonna talk about those with our friends. How are you. I'm excited to be here. Have you So for those of you who do not know zach. Zach canfield is utah born bay area based recruiter. The child of a therapist zaki is a skill stolen from his mama's to convince creatives from all over the world they should work at gabby silverstein empires zacks biggest claim to fame. This is very very very cool. Earthquake cottage that looks suspiciously like a shed. I met the two of you through Interview and that's the first time i met both right. Yeah yeah okay. My lie detector kit with thankfully i told no lies my interview. Ogsm be interviewed serena to that's so interesting. Yeah yes. that's that's what. I i think you're interviewing me long. Look at us. Just meeting through interviews. Life is so interesting. Hire people that. I'm also matchmaker. Okay so before we talk to zach. Let's get into our lie of the week malaika. What did you lie about this week. Well i am currently still living in mexico and the other day i was on a nice long bike ride and this guy who looked kind of american he was trying to catch my eye and he was trying to speak english to me and i just told him. I like knowing no english. Because i one. I don't really want to make too many brands out in the streets and then to he just seemed a little like overly aggressive but it was the time i ever had to lie about speaking a language and it just felt weird to be like fried but i i didn't want to engage and it was just like an easy goto to get out of this weird situation fair fair fair fair. So would you class. This one is like alive of voidance. Maybe yes an opportunity. I seize the opportunity to lie about not speaking english but also avoided person. A fair win-win added one. I like it serena. Would you lie about this week. I did teeny little baby earlier today. So i don't know if this is something many of you know. I don't really have much of a coffee drinker. I e stop. Drinking coffee may be there. Nearly ten years ago now An earlier today just kind of decided. I wanted to do something different. So my partner and i. We're going to a coffee shop. And he he. Every day. I was like i think i will get a coffee. Two and he was kind of like okay. I know it's been some time since you've drink coffee and i just lied about how long it had been a thing. I said it had been five years. But it's it's probably been about closer to nine. Which isn't that big of a difference but to me like the threshold was like anything over five years. That's like very close to a decade. And i was like it's only been five years. It's not that long but it's been quite oil and i'm super jittery now. So yeah i can feel your energy and your probably bouncing off the walls at your place. I really app hours ago and it just hit so i'm raring to record this podcast. Zach what did you live up this week. I'm embarrassed to say. But i lied about the price of a tv. I bought to my wife. It was only. I lied about ten percent of the price difference. I it was. It was eight hundred. Seventy five bucks. I said it was eight hundred bucks a you know just kind of like i felt like the threshold. Eight hundred bucks felt good but once the taxes and everything got in there. I just kind of let that out is so interesting because most time you hear women saying that they may lie to their partners about how much they spend on the clothes and stuff so it's funny to see if the other way around that's true all right social rena is has been a fun week. I feel like we got some goodies in the bag. Are you ready for some juicy lies. Always ready always ready okay. So the first item in our bag today is a drunk driver who lied about his girlfriend. Dying to avoid going to jail. Oh yeah yeah not cool. So we have graham nelson. Who's forty which by the way. That's a big old age to be lying like this But he was more than twice the drink driving limit when he was pulled over but he was let off because when they pulled him over he burst into tears and told them that his girlfriend Holly carpenter had just died and that is why he was acting irrationally. He made no mention of his girlfriend's condition at the time but he told the court that his girlfriend had called him saying she couldn't breathe and he couldn't get a taxi and that's why he drove to her house and they believed him so they let him off but later on down the line they actually found that to be untrue when they knocked on his door in his girlfriend answered the door. Ooh yikes want to in my bag. I think do you think his girlfriend dumped him off the back i hope. So dump of pence. Oh no absolutely a. This is problematic and not okay. I am not into this at all. not q. We do not love you. Do not pass. Go get out the back. I just i don. I feel like there are acceptable. Lies that you tell when you're trying to avoid a ticket but if you're a drunk driver just like except you know that you were driving drunk in like accept the punishment i've definitely gotten pulled over before blasted like christian music rollout. It was like you know it was like. I'm on my way to church office. I heard about that but that actually sounds extremely clever. But you know. I wasn't on my way to church. I mean thankfully. I had my aunt's like jesus music in the car. But like i'm not gonna out about someone dying to get out of a ticket. I mean zach. What would you do your your your gospel stores like i can relate to 'cause i used to have these back in the dam and old man so i had checks and i had the bank put. I love jesus at the top of my checks. i'm atheist. I love jesus on the top of my checks no one ever i me swear to god people would see checks and kind of see. You're all right you take care learning. So wow wow learning live here friends. Yeah trust in the lord. He will see you through girl. That's that's pretty much the the messages today us all right well graham nelson. You're out of our bag. Your trifling don't allies put people's lives in danger. We do not love that know. What's up in the bag. So our next in the bag item is that prince. William reportedly kept a cova diagnosis. A secret i know. So this is hot off the press. But apparently prince william who. I'm sure many of you know a second. In line to the british throne actually tested positive for coronavirus all the way back in april of but he kept his result a secret according to the palace sources who spoke to the bbc and so at the time after he tested positive. He obviously quarantined with his family. He was being Taken care of by palace doctors. He even did a few remote appearances and never let on that. He had coronavirus though. You know what. I'm not mad about this. So much of their life is like public and if he in a safe way like i think it's fine but didn't they like announced that his father headed. I feel like it's kind of interesting. Yeah yeah french. From a few people in the palace added i knew. Boris johnson had it as well and all of those were pretty publicly chronicled but he decided to keep his secret. I'm not mad at it. I mean do you. Prince william like you go to the bathroom and everyone knows about it so you know if you got to keep certain things like this secret like you're not hurting nobody you quarantine safely like yeah but if you have like a bunch of speaking events and other stuff that i be like okay. That's probably better. You got to disclose that like you can't be out in these streets so fine. They can stay in my bad i mean. Yeah i'm i'm with you. I don't think it's that harmful because like he took the necessary precautions but it is his body in his illness and so like if he didn't want to tell anyone fair enough yeah i feel like people should disclose If they had gone virus or you know if they currently have it when it's like at the detriment to others but like i know that a lot of people are facing some stigma if they get the rona. So it's a it's a tricky time. I feel like a lot of people aren't like you know at the ready to admit that they got you. Know corona virus. So i okay with this only because it happened back in april he's recovered and he was quarantining like safely. I am in agreement to use the british. Expection is a bit of a sticky wicket. But i'm not mad at us so last item. We have in our bag as an article that was recently published on a website called life. Hacker dot com. And it's an article for job seekers suggesting that if you are looking for a job it may or may not be a bad idea to lie about your gpa. On your resume. Ooh yeah so This article kind of goes into a lot of detail about basically like the reasons why it's okay to lie on your resume and the bottom line is basically because no one will track. Well you know what we've got zack. On zach is this. Is anyone checking i mean. Gpa's zip for the most part. Now i i don't know anyone who checks for. Gpa's i guess. If there's i'm sure there's professions like very specialized professions. But i mean. I think i mean in our profession putting a. Gps resumes almost bizarre. And i wouldn't recommend lying about your gpa. Because i feel like people are gonna find out not necessarily through the resume but like just your performance Like make it a couple of points different. I don't know she said seems like people could quickly catch onto that one. That's fair that's fair. Yeah if you know you're a two point. Oh student and you out her telling people you're four point. Oh student gonna find out right and and you know to go from two to two point five like who cares. Yeah right right right okay. Well i guess it's okay to live this young. I guess within reason but see. That's what i episode is about today. What lies across the boundaries when it comes to like lying or embellishing your resume or your background or your story to get a job outright. Lying definitely is not something that i i would hope. People do paul touring. I don't know if you do to know what cheering trains is very common. It's kind of like an active form of deception. That is taking kind of like a half truths and then turning into Into a full truce so in advertising for example it's quite common to someone said it worked on a campaign they'll make it act as if it was their campaign. Which is you know. They technically worked on it. But how much did they do on. It is the is where the deception comes in. So i think people like to take credit for things that they worked on is just whether or not they actually kind of. Were like really doing it at that makes that makes sense. We found a stat. Apparently eighty-one percent of people are lying on their resumes slash in the interview process. Do you think that lying during recruiting is as communist. That like in your experience. Yeah yeah. I think so. I mean there's a lot of places fort- deceptions. there's a lot you know from from. Gpa's as you just mentioned to colleges to You know how long you're added job why you left the job. What your role was at the job. So there's a lot of places in there where it where like people can embellish a little bit and you know full on lying like you know. It's very rare that i'll catch someone in like eight just like you know. They said they went to school that they didn't go to like something that bolt. But you could definitely catch someone saying i went to harvard. And you're like oh great. You know like. Tell me about your graduation. And they're like well. Actually i was only there for a year. You know like fat people. People people definitely put stuff on there to lead you to believe things And then when you talk about a lot of times kind of walk it back a little bit. Have you ever caught anyone in like a really wild like lied during the interview process. Do you have any good stories for us. I'm gonna. I'm gonna tell you a story that i loved it. I haven't told many people and it's it's really a store. It's the story of deception. Which i i don't know what what you're with. The definitions of lies are but i. I see deception and so i'm going to protect some identities here because this is a pretty epic story. I wanna make sure that you know that. No one ever sniffs out who this is. So so it's it was a team. This is about fifteen years ago by the way it's really long time ago. So that's why. I feel comfortable talking about it. Probably about fifteen years ago. They're not from the united states and the flight here was a ten hour. So they're faraway. They're they were creative director team at the time and so they were interviewing normally the interview process. What happens is people come in. We all do our own investigation a needing everything and then the candidates leave and then we talk behind their backs. You know we. We talk behind their backs. We make a decision we will do. We like him to do. Not why do we can you know we we. We talk about this example. This team has just met with rich. Silverstein and rich silverstein who runs our company is instantly in love with them and and says we're going to hire you. You're hired It's six pm at the end of the day and he's like come back tomorrow morning before your flight home it will have all the details figured out. So so these guys are stokes. They're so happy that just they've just flown this long track to their dream agency and the owner of the company says you're hired come back tomorrow. We'll give you all the details so everyone leaves and i go out. I'm single at the time. So i go to a bar that night on a date at this bar hanging out and there's this huge commotion outside and i look outside and it's those two guys that we that we had that we've made an offer and they're outside in a white limo One of them is bleeding profusely out of his face like eyes mouth nose like blood every and they are shit faced like they are next level they are not on this planet anymore and the second i see them i in my head. I'm like i don't want to have any sort interaction with them. Because i don't personally care about your personal life. You know like you want to go out and party in a white limo. That is not my style. But i'm not here to judge like everyone's got their own personal lives in that school so i go back in the bar. I'm hoping they don't come into our bar a couple of minutes later they come into the bar and it is a scene they are. They are that they're just next level wasted. They see me they immediately run over to me so excited to see me which is crazy the condition they're in emitted proceed to start hitting on the girl. I'm on like aggressively in a really gross groupie fashion to which i have to but in and be like. Hey please stop stop. You're making this person incredibly uncomfortable. I then say you know the elephant. In the room i go. Hey man you have a lot of blood all over your face are you okay. And he says oh well as soon as you guys hired us. We're so happy that we we hired a limo to drive around all night and we want cocaine because we want to celebrate so we so we were driving around the white limo. And we're sticking our head out asking people where to get cocaine in someone tells us the tenderloin. Well if you don't live in san francisco and you don't know the tenderloin. The ten does not enable to play around it like it is definitely like it's a neighborhood that you wanna be like aware of what you're doing and you don't want to be driving around flashing a white limo ed driver on the tenderloin for cocaine which someone happily obliges and takes them upstairs into a house. Where a bunch of guys beat the shit out of them Rob them and then And then they decide to go out and keep partying and eventually they get kicked out of the bar were by the bartenders. And so okay so this puts me in a of predicament. Which is you know. Your personal license is your personal life. But but The choices that they made of a basically there was one person in the tire city of san francisco. They that they should not have shown this behavior to and it was me. It's literally a million people. The only person that should not have seen right and then when they see me they don't think hey you know what we should probably get out of here instead. They're all over me trying to hang out and end date. Yeah yeah yeah and and you know the choices and then and then they decide to tell me if you wanna do cocaine or whatever. It's not my business but then to then before you have to offer in your hand you're now telling me that you discuss rob trying to buy cocaine a white limo. You know it's like it's a bunch of a bunch of deception in my opinion based on what they presented to me in our meeting earlier in the day and as cds they're going to be running huge clients tons of cl- i mean they are the client conduit for the agency Where jobs are on the line because they are gonna productions You know they're going to be out with these clients all the time and how. They presented themselves in this meeting with a client. Handling skills was much different than the people that i saw so anyways so the next morning nine am i called meeting with all the partners where i tell them what happened. There immediately. Like under no circumstance. Are we hiring this team anymore. So so can you imagine you know. The walkers shame that doesn't feel good. Imagine the twelve hour flight ashamed. God you call all your friends and family. We're moving to america. We got our dream job and then and then you gotta get on that plane home and say well actually so that to me was like my favorite story of deception that i've that i've experienced in in my role and you know obviously i can definitely think of many others at a much smaller and more common things would be saying they work somewhere that they didn't You know i used to work at wieden and occasionally i'll see on a resume and the first thing i do is i call my my friends at wieden and say hey you know. I'm super curious about this person. What was your experience with them on occasion. That person never worked there. You know so so. Yeah so it's not. I think people are smart enough to not go. Really big on their lives They tend to be more exaggerating about like you know maybe they they add a couple months so it looks like they did three full years at an agency versus two and a half years or you know things like that but but to full on. Lie about you know an education or Where people worked. it's not it's not it's not as common but it you know it it. It absolutely happens in. And i would just tell people you're gonna get caught on those things more often than not i'm going to find out what's like the ones they like. The lisi est live. But like what's like the worsely told. Lie 'cause you're white. Level store is definitely like an epic big like they. They they try to pull it off on you and then there was all this stuff lying behind like what was like a a vocally bad told lie that was immediately like boop gotcha. The lazy lies like the lazy lies are are ones where people amid they. Leave out information you know. An in an interview is to to find out. It's an it's a little bit of inspection you know. It's it's were there. Were there to dig. And so when people are clearly trying to leave out details That's that's where you that's where you focus and so You know Fake things about you know how things were made or What their involvement was that type of stuff. So you know when people wanna lie. I think i mean. I shouldn't be advising people on ally but they should really spent a lot of time thinking things through and having it all figured out and I think when people just try to leave out information you know. I'm there to gather information so it's going to be hard. You need to have answers for the questions i'm going to have. If you're kind of dodging it it's gonna put me on the set more he's on tier. I mean i. I mean i hope i'm not painting like a crazy picture in. It's a fun you know. Generally it's a fun conversation. And i'm there for a lot of reasons other than a fun conversation but i. I tried to present as a conversation. But but i've definitely poking around trying to make sure i feel good about the information i'm getting. Maybe i ll avi good at recruiting people. Because i'm like low key nosy. And i love like you would be upset. You and i went to new york together thing. You'd be great at it. I love being nosy and like digital like what people are doing in their whole life story. The trick is the trick is to anyone. Whoever needs to interview to trick is let the person talk it. We wanna a button and we want to ask questions lead people. A good interview is probably eighty percent that person talking and you just listening and actually. That's where you start to figure out like if they're bullshit new or not because that means they're talking a lot and in that talking you know you're kind of listening listening to make sure that things are adding up and consisted and things are all making sense. Have you ever busted busted necessarily but like sniffed something how found out they're lying and like someone had a reaction to it. Like what would you do if you find out that someone has been lying so for example they like didn't work at wieden and they said that they did like how do you how do you react. How do they react like all. I'll give you another story. That again. I need to is very it's a. I can't give much specifics but We fired someone who should have been fired and it was I caught. I caught someone ally when we spoke to this person. They naturally denying everything. And okay. that's fine So we actually hired a third party. Investigator had like we. I mean we got macgyver on this like we. This was something where i was like. I'm not letting it up. And as i mentioned before. Like if i'm onto a cent i'm not gonna stop till i feel lake until i feel good about it and this i did not feel good about it and i also felt like my resources were limited so i hired someone to do a proper investigation a third party and it was one hundred percent accurate that this person lied there was there was not a point zero zero one percent chance you know we had all the shit lined up you know and so at that point. I'm thinking oh this is great like i mean. Clearly when i when. I talked to this person again. They're going to. They're going to be like you're right like sad. This person down told them everything. Had this pro like crazy investigation and he was like you guys are still wrong in absolutely crazy and i just could not believe it. And in general i find that Good people tend to own up to it quickly and they're always kind of afraid of being busted in. They're afraid of being sita's as seen as an impostor and so a lot of people just to meet a like you're right. I'm so sorry. I screwed up and you know and then there's just a small percentage of of of people who will never own up to it and it's quite sad. Wow wow i had like literally like the supreme court level evidence on this person. I mean it was next level. I mean was it couldn't have been a and and just that person staring at me going. It wasn't me. And i'm like dude you out of here. I love that you went to the length of getting a private investigator. Like i know a good recruiter or a good. Hr person if there's something serious if they feel something serious that they're going to investigate an end for me you know. I'm i'm i'm anxious person so i'm not going to be able to sleep until i feel like i have made a decision a as well an informed decision as possible. You know so. I think i just for my own sanity. I'm gonna keep going until i feel like until i feel like my mind. Setis see i'm the same way too. Because i if i feel like somebody's out here like just while i'm gonna use the power of the internet. I now everything i need to know like. I told the other day that me. Her loki should work for the fbi. 'cause when we are on a mission we will get all. We sniff it all out. So i love this. I feel inspired. Snoop even more now. I'll tell you what if you're listening to this podcast. You're an asshole and you're interviewing you better damn well go through all of your social media in everywhere been and hide that stuff because i will find it an end. I you know all recruiters. I know the we immediately go to people's social media now And i don't mean just facebook and instagram. Like i mean. I've not hired candidates i've i've been ready to to hire someone who i was so excited about and we were just about to pull the trigger and i went deep. Just digging around on him. And i found all this post of him and boy was he nestle so i called him out on it and i said hey. I was really excited to hire you but i have to tell. I saw the way you spoke to people in these forums. And i don t this not you know. We don't talk to each other like that in this company and in and i wouldn't want to hire anyone who speaks that on the internet and so So if you're an asshole you're looking for a job. I really recommend you you. You go hard and clean your social media because people will people will be looking at. It was zack. Spins so great. Having you on the podcast. We've we've enjoyed all of your stories that you've shared scraping here. Thank you so much. Y'all make sure to follow oliver truths on the socials. We aren't instagram at bag of lies underscore podcast and on twitter at bag of lies. Thank you zach for being on our part chime. You're having me back is produced by the spicy rachel. Da's with oversight from b. b. bob cohen. Our theme music is produced by my girl. Madly big ups opinions and foolish. 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The Boss Man Himself Greg Shepard Shares How He Made His $900 MILLION Exit And Takes Others to The Next Level With The BOSS Method

The How-to Entrepreneur

48:35 min | 6 months ago

The Boss Man Himself Greg Shepard Shares How He Made His $900 MILLION Exit And Takes Others to The Next Level With The BOSS Method

"You're listening to the how to entrepreneur podcast a podcast about successful entrepreneurs across all spaces and all industries we sit down and get into the heads of the people that have paved their own pass turning ideas into realities. You want to be an entrepreneur. We provide the tools. This is the how to entrepreneur podcast, and this is your host Dylan Mentor. Hey everyone welcome back to your host, Dylan. I hope everyone is still stand comfy watching Netflix listening to podcast. Even though this might be the one that really motivated you turn that TV or smartphone is start planning for your first business today. We, have on Gregg Sheppard this episode. He started his own tech business back in two thousand thirteen and exit three years later for a whopping nine, hundred million and I know you're probably wondering who's got nine hundred million dollars to spend on a business will back in two thousand, thirteen Ebay had nine hundred million dollars to buy. Greg's nowadays. Greg is helping other businesses to accompany of his own boss capital partners. They're taking these six seven eight figure businesses intact to. To the next level now, Greg had a solid track record. Prior to his ebay exit, he used to flipping from garage sales even bought and so two small vending machine business for forty thousand dollars profit while he was still a teenager, but if you think that Greg story started off with Richie rich silver spoon scenario, you could not be more wrong. We're GONNA PICK GREG's mine getting vice, and how to start a business of your own. The Gregg Sheppard Way. Thanks you guys for tuning in to the show today before we get started. Here's a word from our sponsor saint. Solution, eating should be enjoyable simple and make you feel completely satisfied. Igniting your body's natural fat burning blood sugar, balancing power Saint Solution. Same plan is the only program by top doctors from prestigious medical schools proven to help your hormones, brain and gestion. When you start lowering your body's natural set, wait, you will lose fat imbalance. Your blood sugar naturally guaranteed Saint Solution Dot Com. Greg thanks for coming on the show. How are you? Thank you, yeah, thanks for having me I can't believe that you found all that stuff. That's crazy. You did some homework Yeah, I wish I could have done more knowing what I know what I missed out on just talking to US weekly before this I mean you I mean renaissance man wouldn't even closely relate. Closely defined there's really not for. Being a serial entrepreneurs is one thing having done. Everything is another. Thank you I appreciate. That's great compliment like it is being on your show I appreciate it. Happy to have you Greg I mean you've been killing it you especially on the. Side I've read the Bio herds him interviews. I'm aware of the awards. When did you start hustling and bustling way before your business at assured and Oh yeah so I started. Let me see when I was in high school I would sell or importing Rubik's cubes when that was a trend and I was selling them, and then I would char charge extra money talk show. People bought a figuring out no. I. Mean I even Chech- rattlesnakes and solemn as exotic pets when I was, you know young, and then I got my first real business going when I was about nine hundred eighteen. which was a Bungee jumping company, which I don't think I've ever said on a podcast because it was a disaster, but I bought. And I like mountain, dew commercials, and I jumped like Rock Stars and movie stars from La to San Diego. and then after that I went into I was already in banking, but then I started my own bank and I was You know in my early twenties. And then sold bad, and then I started a environmental applied biotechnology company. And sold that and then from then on out. It was all software. Nobody's as soon as the entrance started to boom. That that's where I was meant to be pretty safe sector to be an I'm assuming especially when you're add to prove it right. Yeah I mean I learned how to Code and. Early, on I haven't touched code for very long time it's it's a lot different now, but very early on you know when the Internet was I sort getting started this before. Google and everything, and is first getting started I. Remember it so clearly I was trying to start a hosting company because I had learned about this host. I was like man. This is like printing money, but then I realized nobody had websites I had started website host a website development company in order to sell a whole tone in order to. Sell hosting solid sell the website. And then the hosting in that turned into an automatic website builder, which then end up being sold, and when I found out in there in that process. Was that the all the people that were talking to me and you know you talk about? Listen to the voice of the customer while the customers like. They told me that they didn't have a website to host and I sold hosting told me after I sold the website and hosting, they needed traffic, and then I started to get into online advertising. Okay, so, what was the name of? The, the hosting domain, hosting a platform. While now, what what's called one t three turnkey, but now I don't even know what it turned into this was you know twenty years ago or something? It's still alive and out there, though yeah, I believe it's own. It changed hands a few times, but it's you know it was what it was. The first light wicks. I that that kind of a platform is cool actually. I mean it wasn't as Nice as we expecting. You didn't have that kind of code, but you know it at the time. It was like really cutting edge. You know you had these boxes. You could fill in your own taxed and drag and drop an image and boom. You'd have this website. People are just like Whoa and actually I did it because I was trying to save money. I was creating automated process I didn't need as many advanced engineers and. Designers, wiki create templates, and then have interns come in and fill things out for people. And then we ended up just giving them people directly, and then that became the business. That's awesome and can I ask you. You said you were in finance or working at a bank. Can you started your own? What? What did you have a mean boss or something? Did you want to stick to what was? When did you decide or how did you decide you were going to open a bank in early early twenties? Who Does? Well no I had a really actually really really cool career, and I was selling money for what is now chase. It was a different bank at the time, but. I was basically going to mortgage brokers and banks who had a limit in terms of the amount of their depository funds that they could loan out to their customers. So what I would do is go try to sell them our line of credit, so they could use our money our underwriting and fund the loan so so they could service their customers. And when I first got the territory because I didn't know anything and I didn't have a fancy education and you're right. He's never silver spoon. My mouth I actually lived in tents for a couple of years while we were building our house. We're actually pretty poor. And I. With that kind of just you know, get it done. Kind of mentality I made a map and went around and started. Getting all of these people in these areas that were not the best areas at the time long. Beach East La you know the the rougher areas at the time now is not nearly as bad. And getting them to use our line of credit. Well what I figured out is that I could just do that for myself, but couldn't do. In California had to move to Colorado because California I had you know it was already out right, so I moved somewhere where they weren't aware of it I went to Colo, Conroy. And I set up. A bank set up line of Credit with the folks that I had knew from when I was working there and away we went and. That's that. Toss I mean I guess. I mean the. The status you have in the substantial. Business. Related lifestyle that you've learned and one way or another. You're bound to have close ties with the banking system of America. Bound to happen. You have known what I mean. That's no surprise. So, I heard you mention actually. I was actually I had learned that I needed to do at the time I, said money and computers, and so I I worked really hard to learn money in computers are the two things I needed to know, and I use those same things today, different lessons, but the same idea. Man and I wish I. Wish I would have had that kind of mentality when I was just a tad younger There's two things I need to learn and I'm GONNA. Be really distinguished atom as opposed to just kind of knowing him probably would have changed the course of history for me as it would. Anybody I'm assuming but. You brought up earlier that. You were living in tents. Those are pretty humble beginnings. Now, you know prior to your first company. I'm assuming you weren't still living in a tent at that point, but maybe you were trying to do some some sort of scrambling hustle hustling type of. Generating income whether it was a side, hustle or multiple jobs at you were working in order to attain or by Your First Company. Will what I started my for my own, my companies on my own, but I would build companies and sell them to fund my main project, so you had mentioned the vending machine company and these things so I did I don't even know how many of those but I would you know by a company and sell it in three months? Turn it around and sell it or I'd buy. Something was distressed. I mean I was always looking so I kind of worked my way up, and then the money. That I made I just kept in. Investing it into my main project. And because of the boss process, I was able to get my main project to the point where they would run themselves, and then I would go up in another one, so I had an office in South Bay area and it was running. It's outside open when Canada. Randolph's open one in London and then in Sydney Australia and then came to San. Diego opened a whole new business. and all of those are what ended up being sold in that transaction. That's crazy to think that I mean. You were so young doing all of that It's it's. A, this thing that's crazy, though you don't. If you use boss correctly, you don't actually you're not doing it all. The people that working in the framework end up doing it and they're. They're doing it, you know. Still to this day, those same people used in mind vestments, so I'll take somebody out of a business that had previously, and I'll say hey, you know censured. Sold a business in their out of it right I'll say hey. Do you WANNA come in over here to this other business that have made an investment because they know Baas and I can just deploy. I, see what you're doing. You're collecting all the all the valuable pieces. And short of a acquiring them for your for your own companies now. You mentioned that which is now boss capital like now what I have I have people that are specialists in finance and growth and product and shared services and service delivery. They're all the best of the four functional areas that you haven't any tech company. And so we invest in these businesses, and then we helped mean when you make an investment business, you have like a horse in the jockey doors being the product, the Jockey and the entrepreneur. The thing is is that the jockeys never ridden a horse before so if you bet if you bet on the jockey without being there to help, train them ride the horse. You'RE GONNA lose. They're gonNA fall off the Horse, and then they're gonNA ask for money. The investors going to say no, this is how a lot of business fail. So we do. Is We go in, and we understand by doing the diagnostics what our contribution has to be for this to work? And then we align ourselves with the entrepreneur, and we add in the areas that they need help and then train the the jockey to become a masterful jockey. Declan ride the product. Ride the horse right so that's kind of like our our Mo. Okay, so did you because you have all this practical application, you have all this real world experience and you've you've had it since a young age. Did you ever go to school for anything? Specific business, related or even tech technically related? No, this is what's really funny. Right so I grew up about half my life in the bay area, and then half my life in this era called Grass Valley, which is in the mountains right before Tahoe. And in that timeframe, I had zero experience. I struggled deeply with school because I have an audit of visual processing, disl- disorder, dyslexia and autism. And during that process I had a really really hard time got kicked out of schools couldn't find anything I mean I. Even tried to join the Navy I mean I tried everything, and then I had i. said look I'm going to default what I've always been able to do. which is make money by doing, you know. Entrepreneurship Because I had done this growing up. You know since as far as I. Remember being on five or six years old selling mistletoe that I would knock out of a tree in front of Safeway. The grocery store, right and sight remember this from way back and so I thought okay. Well you know I'm GonNa just start doing that. And so I started businesses, and eventually the businesses got mature, better and better at it and learned I lick my wounds. Stand up and do it again. I mean you know I got a very analytical in I've figured out a process. That's Bassem showing people that I've just been working on. Since I was eighteen nineteen and it is. I mean it works what have used the whole time, and it's not just it's not my invention. It is a collaboration I think of it as an open source so like if you think about six sigma and Agile and lean and forty x Ogsm, and you could go on and on I. Basically studied all of the operating systems going back for twenty years. And even before that actually all the way down to Dale Carnegie in the seventies, sixty seventies, and then I, I tried and tested everything, and then I found out this works, but it only works at this stage of life cycle business, so you think about business as a maturity model starting out with reactive versus proactive at Level one going all the way out until you about five years later, and that's level five. And I just applied these and I've found out in that process that these things are good, but only used in pieces parts, not the whole thing because you don't want to deploy something like six Sigma you know when you're just starting a business, it's not. It's too early for that. But, maybe you WANNA, look at lean. You, know or or disciplines of execution or something like that, and so I basically you know tested and tried Newsday's when I started to put them together, and then people started adding onto it, and so now it's just become its own thing, right? I have the boss framework, and then people say the most recent was was a crisis management system for covid nineteen. Which you know I've been teaching. The University of Southern California University of San Diego Irvine, the economic, Development Council's the innovation catalyst I mean all these people about this this thing, and so it's just kind of taken on a life of Zone really really cool, and it's totally open I think of it as open source. That's right. I mean and. Supervisor! You're doing that colleges, but is it only applying to the student? They are is like an open forum where people from the community are coming in as well. So Yeah I'm glad you brought that I mean so initially the university. What happened was basically. If you know I I, don't WanNa be paid for any of this right, so It was completely. You know something that I was trying to do just to help entrepreneurs. And so I said listen I'll do it at the university so long as anybody can come. And so now. We have invitations from just in time, so this is a foster children. Entrepreneurship Program the Navy Seals. They have the same call Downer Foundation boots to business, which is the Marine Corps Transition Program. as well as other accelerated debaters can bring people, and then they can come for free. To the university and get get trained up on how it works in what it is and that sort of thing. It's awesome I mean. Is this I mean? It sounds like something that all these these These veterans that are transitioning are this is something that experiencing for the first time and that that made me just think when you were starting. Your First Company added share, not I company, but I guess you. Your first big project assured was that was that sort of an unsaturated space at the time or was that? was that something that you were getting into already? Knowing that other other companies were doing it and you just had a better business model for it. Philly attraction was bigger so phil. What affiliate attraction did is when the affiliate marketing world launched really started, and that was like around ninety nine. I started the first agency in affiliate marketing space, and then I became the first agency to develop a one. System Platform so spoke platform called unity, and then I became the only one to go global opening up offices all over the world, and then that ended up getting acquired in, so it was the first one to be quiet now. At assured was started because you know philly traction was running itself honestly I. I kinda got a little bored and one of the problems that we had was brand compliance, so people were running ads and it wasn't compliant. This is when. I started. Specifically village-based, so I built a platform to find this out for affiliate traction, and then I had all of this interest in sounds like it's going to start selling to other agencies. We ended up selling to agencies and networks and people that were competitors affiliate traction. And then when the acquisition came, they just bought everything, and I became the chief strategy officer, and then the CTO after that. You can get pushed out you got. Well. You didn't even really get consumed. It sounds like you consume them. They paid you to do it. Yeah? It was crazy. The the one of the investors at a big fun told me we want the minot to swallow the whale which I thought was so cool, because my business was so clean, and that's what happened. I spent three years working at the business You know trying to change the entire trajectory of business moving forward in a different strategic role which required me to redesign the product, which is why they made me see Te'o after that. Question about that now did your business model from those two companies play a huge role in what is now? The ball system was the bus system already established. It was it had it had been there, but yeah, no, it played a huge role. In that in that period of time I was able to actually test things for myself united. To say okay and I sit down with my my functional leaders. My C. Suite now sit down with them and I would say listen I. Want to try this I. Want everybody to really try this and do this. Let's see what happens, and we would try it and test it. We did this for like ten years. I mean it was. It was a thorough. The whole test was seventeen years, and we tested all of these things in different ways and different parts of the country in different functional areas and different parts of the business, and then it in. That's where it started really refining itself. Then when I sold and I was at at the company after that pepper jam, which is a long story because it was a carve out rollout turnaround cleanup then. We deployed there and it worked there also right, so it worked on a large scale. And then I started writing about it the whole time I was writing about it and then it's you know. When I became an investor, I started using it in my portfolio companies, and then it was working amazingly there, and then ever all the the investors in the copies I was working on. Said Hey. Can you help me out with this? And then that board would have somebody taking. You got so big that I said look I can't do this I just. I just need to give this to. People need to have a train. The trainer model right, which is now what I'm working on a certification program so that other people can teach it in add to it, and it can take on a life of its own. Yeah I can see that getting I mean with all the work you do with the military and stuff and I mean you've been in college I mean you. You know people in every crevice of every industry and space you could probably get this into some big organizations become something like lean six sigma where you know, it's a staple, and and that sort of a and that sort of regard. Yeah! That's what I'm trying to do. I mean it includes a lot of components. It's just it's just a better program. I had a captain of the Navy who was. In control of the most sophisticated warship say he would taught this to always officers if he was still in the in the navy's retired at the time, I. Mean You know I've used it in a? Congressional candidate campaign. At work there in I've interviewed I've done twelve hundred interviews. I mean the first fighting ring of the Air Force the Navy, the the Navy seals specifically manufacturers investors entrepreneurs. the masters of these different processes. I mean I have really. explored. You know really explored this in in in sort of path to try to find something that is simple enough. In. As low center of maintenance me, one of the problems with a lot of the operating systems out there is that they they take a lot of maintenance. It's hard to make to manage them. You know so I had to try to build something that was really easy to understand and at the same time, really manageable that followed from the point where an starts all the way to the point. Point to exit, and so what I did is I, said okay, we'll. I wanted to figure out. Is Why entrepreneurs failing like? Why are they failing? It's a ninety percent failure rate i. mean that's crazy. There's no other industry on the planet that people say oh. Yeah, ninety percent of the time it fails in. That's acceptable, but for some for some reason in this space, people are cool again. And I was like okay. That's where I gotta start. And then I learned while it's not a matter of why are they failing? The right question is what stages are they failing at which required me to the map out journey? And the journey has three legs to it. Really the first leg is the status of the product and the business, so maybe ideation proof of concept market buyer validation so on so forth, right. And then on the the status journey of the funding right, so you have pre seed funding, seed, funding, series, seed, funding a on, and then the third layer is the status of the the entrepreneurs in that business, so and the business itself. Is it behaving as a business that is? Or reactionary is it stable? Is it not stable? Do they have documented processes in place? Do they not have documented processes in place you all the sort of stuff? And then I was able to sort of do research to figure out where they were failing. So at at what point I did like twelve hundred interviews. So at what point are the? Are The entrepreneurs failing? And then I was able to say okay, so the first point they fail is right at ideation. That's because maybe some of them have bad ideas, so those kind of wash out. After ideation the next stages, you're like okay. The goats accelerator school. Something right. Something validates that the things a good idea after that's the first point of failure, right in the first place they fail, and so then what I did is I took boss in on a DA- pted it. To the points that fail looking all the way out to where they fail at the end, usually because their valuation is too high, they can't find a buyer that sort of stuff, and all those things along the whole journey we plan for at the very beginning in what I call the North Star. which is a process that plans for the journey all the way out to the end, and it's very Agile me. You can change it, but it gives you something so you're directionally correct. Yeah like. Who's going to buy your company and how long it takes in the ideal buyers scenario that kind of thing. Yeah exactly so you you start with the end in mind right so you start with you know if you're taking investor. Money investor hasn't get their money until you sell. Your job is to show. Them is to prove them that when they give you cash. You're not going to give it back, but you're going to give it back at some profit. Right so! What northstar does is it gives you the to of plan out the whole process in the rest of boss including measuring that allows you to align to that, because otherwise you know it's like if you across the ocean and you were two degrees off, be on another continent, so even if you had a norse art, but you didn't have a way to get their guide to make sure that you're on point the whole time you could still be way off. I make sense that totally makes sense in speaking of which in your own process of boss was there ever a major hiccup that you thought was something that needed to be there later realized you know this is the reason why bosses failing so so often are when it does fail. All. This kind of happens all the time I mean. Like even recently with Kovic right, we never had a module in boss. Something that you could roll in like a tool like swatter racy or something you can just roll into boss and put in front of the Northstar for a temporary period of time during crisis. We didn't have anything like that, so what we did is we announce studied the military because the military knows crisis I. Mean They Know Crisis Management? That's that's you know I mean they can set up a hospital in forty eight. Eight hours is just crazy. So went to the military. Like how do they? What are the processes? What are the steps that they go through the to handle crisis, and then the fire department and the Police Department they all handle, have the same basic process, and that's the process that we put together in conjunction with the rest of boss. That's an example and another one would be. I was using stages of boss for a long time without having a North Star at the beginning. And that had. Delayed my exits substantially, so for example if you don't know who you're selling to in what you're building, and how long it's GonNa, take and how much you're planning on selling your business to and all of these little elements that are in the North Star. If you don't know those things, then you don't understand who your buyers right so a buyer. A strategic buyer already has customers, and they've already absorbed the customer acquisition cost for those customers that CACTI LTV is established right. They've already paid for it so essentially in a strategic acquisition. They're not after your customers thereafter your product. So if that's the case, then wouldn't. It makes sense early on to identify who their customers are so while you're acquiring customers. You're acquiring the same customer that they have so that they know when they buy you. There are some their customers are going to buy your products. Simple it's a simple. Yes, Oh, this applies to my entire customer base. Okay or not, maybe not the entire thing, but you know there's already I know. These people are already. Something's these they they already by this kind of stuff. Like? That's the attachment to call attachment rate. So it's extremely important that you you can get forward looking projections. Increase your your multiple. I sold the company. Two months ago for forty, eight, million, seven fifty. They had two point two million in revenue right? You don't get those kind of multiples unless you plan for for the whole three years. That was three or ride. I went in sold in three years right. And that's that's a perfect example of that is where we knew exactly their customers, we for three years to prove their customers so value drivers for in Exeter Growth, margin, and retention right so growth means that you can sell them. People like your product margin means you can do it at Prophet and at scale, and retention means people consistently like your product, incredibly important, especially intact. Attachment rate means that those three things are with the customer that they have so. If you go into business in your like listen, you have twenty five thousand customers, and we showed that we have one hundred fifty of them that meet the same ICP ideal customer profiles. You're twenty five thousand and we've shown growth March retention and therefore attachment rate to your base that raises your multiple, and that's just one benefit. There are other benefits like. Most of the time when I'm looking at deals to figure out what I want to make investments into an I look at like two hundred a month, right? I mean I look at a ton of these things. and. When I look at him, ask him. What is you use of funds like what if I'm gonNA write you a check for a million bucks. What what what are you going to use the money for? And it's the craziest thing is a lot of times. They say oh, we're going to go after sales. I'm like okay. You'RE GONNA. Watch sales hoosier Byron what's their ideal customer profile and they don't know and I'm like you're to spend all this money. And you're going to get you're GONNA get all the way to the end state and then right then you're going to say oh. I need to. Decide on my. At that moment I'm going to sell. Just instead like right now. That doesn't happen. It's just, doesn't it? Doesn't work that way. So what I do is tell them. The other thing, too is that you have to realize that the amount you sell for the amount of your revenue is not the most important thing. It's the multiple. That's the most important thing. Because if you have a million dollars in revenue, and you want access to multiple, you're at one or two million wrath in in an exit price. If you get a ten x multiple, that's substantially changes. It's easier to raise the multiple than to raise the revenue in it cost less to. Die, Lucien and less hassle from investors. In means you can suffer last and make the same amount in size sold companies for. Fifty million where somebody makes two million companies for fifty, million or somebody makes no. And it has to do with how you plan it from the beginning moving out. Let me ask you a question about that. That almost billion dollar deal was that something that you bossed up from the ground up and you knew you were going to attack with a certain. You know with those buyers in mind ahead of time. First of all. I love that bossed up from the ground up thing that's Tesla. Trade market I feel. If I use it. Epic Shit Right there new book. Boss up from the ground, up. So. So yeah, I mean so I did, but you know the first iteration of boss were. I tried six sigma, and I gave all of these things sometimes a month sometimes six months. I mean I really put energy into them. And I like I'll give you an example. Sigma is more of a documentation process, so it doesn't belong early. It's a standardization thing. It works, but it, but it's down the line. Lean works really well. Four disciplines of execution work really well ogsm works really raw ours work really well, you go on and on right each one of these things I tried so yes, I did use boss in them, but it was a lot of learning in. It was a lot of learning. It was when I got to the end of the business when the business were really running smoothly, and I got to see how boss really benefited stuff where I was like. Okay. Now I've got this thing I've got this thing nailed. Really got this nailed, and I was invited to speak at Permira, which is a they have the summit year, and it's a big private equity huge private equity, and I got to speak at their stomach, and it was at that moment. When you know, they started. The senior executives account me saying. Wow, this is really you should write a both about this incredible when I started to go, oh! Okay. You know. It! Was You know I had people from some very large companies IOS from for very large companies details. IOS etc to saying this is incredible, can you? Can you have anything you could write down you know? Do you have any and that's when I started working on the book that was like. Almost four years ago. And the book is done. The book was I finished writing the book and I submitted to Forbes for you know, see if take taken on random house. Penguin for all the normal players and Forbes is like. Yeah, we'll. We'll take it. Just you know. Wow I mean. That's a big deal you know. Just blown away by by that, especially, because I just a horrible writer, but But they went. You know so. They're going through it. Basically you page by page and making adjustments to it. They're making it better. I mean working with them on it. A lost a lot of work, but They're definitely making a better, so it's going to be out now. While cove it. It was supposed to be out at the end of the year. nineteen might push out the the the launch until the first quarter of of next year. And, is it having a special name editor? Are they constantly revising that to? While the the name that that was chosen, before was meet the boss, an agile playbook for startups. but you know they could change that? You know it's kind of. I'm just happy to be a Forbes author. Right so. You want to change name fine. As long as it's on the spine of on the. Exactly right yeah. So I wanted to ask. I mean you mentioned so much about how you need to know who you're going to market it to from jump now, boss capital. Do you ever intend on sale that? No I mean so. That's an interesting story. So what happened like I was telling you earlier. I would work with investors, and then they would say hey. Can you work with now this other deal? So it started out with in the Sky Thomason. We just made this investment into this company. Ourselves and I was working on the deal and the deal came to an exit, and then everybody was like. Hey, we wanna work with you. And now there's twenty seven investors in the group, but they're seven in the course of their seven of us that are all friends that really run up. Be Capital Partners but the other investors are on the outside that just make investments into deal, so it's so good now that pretty much. If I say I'm going to do a deal, you can raise. Everybody else will just WanNa. Do the deal because I haven't lost one yet. Okay, and I know that you said you were trying to make it so people could use it on their own. So are you, are you? You don't ever have you don't have an exit strategy plan for for the future of any sort when you just kinda. WanNa decide that you're done with the business industry and go get your pick your island out of the Pacific and hang out. You know I thought it was going to go. I actually was looking at islands. But After this cove it nineteen thing I'm like you know what I don't think I could hang. You lose my mind so now I. Mean You know my big thing is philanthropy? I'm really into trying to help right now. I'm trying to help more entrepreneur succeed. I have a lot of other things on my website. There's a whole list of the places I give to. I noticed that when I make a millionaire I try to make millionaires right multimillionaires whatever you WANNA call which is State. Everybody's like Oh billion billion. Okay? Calm Down, calm down. Jat Right? A multimillionaire is still a big deal. People just because you hear billionaire, you know going around all of desert four hundred. Okay, so calm down. Yeah, Really Orient of people on the. Four hundred people. Oh, you know and so you know I'm really putting a lot of effort into trying to help entrepreneurs in growing this Boston to take on its own life. You know I mean I feel like I. And I noticed for sure because I did it right personally as an entrepreneuring also as an investor that these other processes. They're good, but they're not good in independently. They're good as as one unit working together, and then they're. They're missing some really key elements that I added to it. And, then they're all in their from everywhere. It's not just business it. Software development its manufacturing its military. It's fire first responders. I mean there're pieces that you can come together. Which is what I've done over the last twenty years to create something that is very foolproof. You know in it allows you to sort of it allows enough flexibility the problem. A lot of these systems are they're so rigid nature. They're not built to be improved on. you know in the benefit abouts open source is that somebody starts with a framework, and then they allow other people to build onto that framework. And in this day and age everything from video games to software works this way. So why would methodologies in framework not work that way? And that's one of the things that I really wanted to change I wanted to make and say look if somebody's got a better idea than something I've proposed. Let let's look at it. Let's you know. Let's use it if it's better because. It's one of the rules of boss. Right is principal over position meaning your after the outcome, the principle of not the position, not your way of accomplishing something, but the best way, and so I have to step you know behind boss, and let lead the way with other people and let my ID's ideas marinate with Let them choose what the best route is. The proof in the pudding, the analytics if it works better at works better in the I guess the first step towards being able to allow that sort of that been diagram where everything meets in the middle is. Is You stepping back and let the machine be the machine at it's intended to be. Yeah, I mean like I. Tell my founders this less. When you build a product at first, you're building a product based on the information. You have in your vision. But the second iteration in moving forward is based on the customers direct feedback. They tell you what they want. So why would you build a process? That didn't work that way right? So that's a major modification in in in you know in addition to the fact that it includes all these different pieces I mean it's really robust. There's five stages and you know there's gates that allow you to move from level one to level. Level two and it's. It's all built out. It's on the website and I'm I. Work Really Hard to produce content for people at my own cost to give away free tell people understand it in different ways right because of my visual processing disorder way I digest information consumer information is not necessarily the same as other people cy produce it in doing podcast to produce videos, and we produce it in articles and. Every call it watch, listen read write those three ways that people bring information end, so I produced the same information in all three. So that people can get it. You Know Digest the information. It can be really helpful for them. That's all that. Reminds, me of you know there's there's more than one way to learn, and not everyone learns the same. Some people use all three ways to learn, so there's no telling who's GonNa need to use what in order to get that message across how you're intending it That's interesting when I watched the data. That's what happens. They still start with what they prefer this. What Mike is what? I think anyway because somebody will start in one, and then they'll go. They do all three of them. You know it's. It's really interesting. Like I'm not a I'm a visual learner. And you audible learners and kinesthetic learners. So where do I start There's no answer for that was just what how it's picked up whatever you know, math is not something that people can be. You know good in a classroom at, but you hey, you let them practice at it. Can Aesthetically for you know week or so before test? Hey, what are you? You know they ended up learning on their own. Yeah, yeah, it's really interesting I. Mean I've used boss in congressional campaigns with a bunch of campaign managers and stuff that are trying to go after getting a congressman or senator elected, and that process was really interesting right, and then I used it again with the Navy seals that were getting out of the navy. Navy seals. You know bad acids right? who were wanted to go on entrepreneurship and they absorbed at a different way so i? Feel like I have it now in a way that dat it. It seems like it works well for everybody I even worked on a project for a bunch of. Women that were abused A and we're building small businesses right, so they had this dream board session where they put together. What they wanted to do, and I had them I put them through boss, and it worked really well, and I got all these great feedback, and they all started these little businesses, and you know so it's just it's fascinating, I! Mean I've used it to run a marathon? And I wrote a bicycle from San Francisco to sub to L. A. which was like five hundred twenty five miles. You know I mean. It's just it's A. It's a way of getting something done starting with what you want to accomplish and what that actually looks like. What does success actually look like? What does it feel like you know? And then you put that in there and you align yourself to that you know as as a GPS, so I give people this analogy. Sometimes. I say listen. If you were trying to get from somebody's house from Your House to somebody else's house. You didn't have a GPS. How would you get there yet? No Map. You wouldn't have any way to get. The right could be directionally in the right. City, but you'd never get there and you. Know the fastest way to get there or any obstacles you have or lefts, rights traffic, so and so forth, and so what boss does is gives you that GPS right and gives you the guidance on how to get there and it tells you. Win You're going to arrive based on your current patients on and so forth so it's very uniquely suited for for startups it works for bigger companies, but uniquely serves suited for startups to exit. That reminds me now. You may not know where you're going, but you know they're always isn't Northstar you just look up? That was the idea of sitting at the beach meditating and that's when that. Particular piece came to me sitting at the Beach Mediterranean now. Look at that. Bright Northstar just every agency that no matter where you are been at all over the world seeing the Northstar. That's it that's it. At people have to have North Star, and then I started breaking down all the pieces based on the research had. It's pretty It's been a really fun. Process and I'm yeah. I'm happy to actually. I have a visual audio or audio in kinesthetic learner like. Some people have mentioned earlier, but the boss process I'm picking it up audibly I kinda liked. This ears on approach from the from the boss himself I really do appreciate it and Greg as the episode comes to an end I want to ask on behalf of the rest of our. I mean maybe not audible listeners, but those that are audibly attentive. Etta moment entrepreneurs out there that are thinking about starting that first billion dollar business that might just be a million dollar business, or you know might be debt that ninety percents that doesn't utilize the boss system like you have in never taking a hit now, when and if they are successful at it and they think. Think this is going to be big that million dollar and game that I had I'm getting closer and closer. What is something that the entrepreneurs that you have dealt with and had business with have done wrong? Personally, maybe not what their business plan, but something that didn't make them appealing to buyers that our listeners should keep in mind as they're moving forward on their entrepreneurial journeys. One thing is what I brought up earlier. That's the most common thing, right. Aligning your ideal buyer profile to you. Part of your ideal profile is your ideal customer profile so making sure that you in the buyer of your company have the same profile. Second Partnerships turned into acquisitions. So you want to move to the partnership and then moved from the partnership acquisition, because a buyer wants to know if the technology will integrate, and if the culture will integrate, and if you start with a partnership, which require some integration by default, you're GonNa have some cultural integration, and that'll check that box for them so now you've got your and I'm not talking about one by. You can do this with multiple. You gotTa Byron. Mind you make sure the customers match the culture in the technology works well, and you're on your way to exit. The, other thing I would say is that. You don't want to start with your evaluation being too high. You know this is probably the most Tom thing. I hear, somebody says Oh. I have a ten million valuation there in a series seed round, and I'm thinking okay. You'RE NOT GONNA sell for three to five years. You're going to have to do at least three more rounds and by the time you get to an exit. Your company's going to be worth like fifty million dollars. Is that possible. Does that look real now? I would also. Want to put a word of caution out there. I hear people always say you know. This is a billion dollar idea. An investor when somebody says that I just WanNa hang up the phone. And the reason, why is because? Do you know how as a Unicorn at you know? How many UNICORNS in the entire United States of America has happened in the last twenty four months? One hundred and thirteen. UNICORNS, but that that's not a lot of. Ideas. How many it took for that hundred and thirteen to happen tens of thousands hundreds of thousands. Yeah, that's exactly what I have. That's for every billion dollar idea there are. Thousands that you have a better chance of winning, the lottery excited a better chance of getting hit by lightning in your house. So the other thing is that a business of there's a huge gap right when you get to fifty. Million from fifty million on is a very challenging world. Usually entrepreneur can't handle the business they have to step out of the business is very rare I like to exit around fifty million, because that's the good plants where you can still use your same entrepreneurs come into the deal. They're realistic acquisitions. That kind of stuff make sense. Do a bunch of base hits not a home run. Home runs a risky. It you do your bay sets in. You'll get there that way. Greg I want to thank you for coming on the House. March for newer has been an absolute pleasure having you. Thank you? Now a major takeaways for today's episode. Think about where you want to take the company from the moment of conception. Really keep your eyes on that Gull. Find Your northstar like reckless saying it's one thing to start a business with vision of scaling it into the next Google Apple, or Walmart, whatever the case may be, but for some the real entrepreneurial journey lies within the multiple six seven eight exits fine, which side of the fence you're on and be mindful when you're taking those steps in submitting the path that lays before your company what you're going to dedicate yourself to. On Mondays episode you can look forward to an entrepreneur that has chosen a line of profession that is really a passionate is one that perfects the work home balance, and is something that he does not consider a job, even though he's working and on his business during the week and weekends, the Entrepreneurial Freedom, a lot of us gets are are motivated by. We decide to change the way we're living. Kevin winning ten of the employees. Art Program is doing that all that more on Monday. Be Safe and enjoy your weekend, everyone. 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881: Startup Story: Greg Shepard, $985M eBay Acquisitions & Beyond

The Tech Blog Writer Podcast - Inspired Tech Startup Stories

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881: Startup Story: Greg Shepard, $985M eBay Acquisitions & Beyond

"Welcome to the tank bloke writer podcast, your guy to future Tech Trends and innovation in a language. You understand now over to your host Neal Hughes. Welcome back to the tech law Reuter podcast. Not many people ask me Neil, what you recall, these podcast every day, and that are so many different reasons by doing and I'll be honest with you. I have seen and experienced a few things over the years that nobody should, and it really did wake me up on how precious and how fragile life can be because we're all here for a limited time. And I do often say, so many people sleep walking their way through life, placing limitations on themselves and convincing themselves to these too late for them to make any changes. And it took me until I hit four to find my way say if I can give a little bag and share inspirational stories of people scattered all over the world and beam. That message. All around the world to and help others fun their way improve that technology really dues were best when he brings people together. The not sure sounds like a good enough reason to publish these podcast everyday, and today's guest, Gregg Sheppard, and he's a season faction in building and ruining sustainable growth. Businesses is former company affiliate traction was acquired by EBay enterprise marketing solutions in January twenty sixteen and the following year. The company was rebranded Pepe. Gem joined a transaction earned them the prestigious tech deal of the year over two hundred and fifty million dollar award, as well as the private equity deal of the year award over five hundred million to one billion on the cross border deal of the year over five hundred million to one billion, and the amony deal of the year over five hundred million to one billion award, and that nine hundred eighty five million dollar deal. Comprised purchase. And sale of more than fourteen companies, including Atta showed another company founded by Greg and garnered while him an early spot among the elite in performance marketing, and all that is incredibly impressive. Bull is nowhere near as impressive as he's inspirational back story on also is outlook to life two and my interview with him today. Will honestly it will stay with me for a long time. And I hope if your stalled founder you're able to take a few valuable lessons from our conversation tonight, because that is pure gold hidden in that so book elope, and hold on tight as I beam. Your is all the way to California. So we can speak with Gregg Sheppard. So massive warm, welcome to the show. Can you tell the listeners a little about who you are? And what you do. Sure. My name is Greg shepherd, and I started as a entrepreneur done, you know twelve companies, then exited them. And then most notably. I built a company that sold to EBay, and then we had a crossword or transaction carve out from EBay that participated in where we fourteen companies all twelve. Another one of my companies in another company, and it was one, actually four private equity awards. It was a nine hundred twenty five million dollar transaction and magenta does actually, one of those companies. Wow. I mean, hate me twenty nine you a major Silicon Valley angel invest, invade. See hasn't always been that way. One of his involved you on the show today. He's on sharing inspirational starts stories, and from the world of tech, and how anybody listening listening can follow their dream and really make a difference. So can you share your story from humble? Beginnings to actually going on not only achieving success, but actually giving away three million dollars after your first big deal testing store and it really is. So I started my mom's nine thousand Greece. They left the church to take our kids and doing so they didn't have much money they really wanted to foster and adopts, I was raised in family of foster children. And then we were we have any money so, you know, I, I built my own businesses when I was a little kid, I used to sell remix cues and actually later on when we were in a pretty rough neighborhood and Oberland California. There was a lot of gangs and stuff, my momma, just the country and I will catch rattlesnakes solemness exotic pets to the pest or. And then the rows necks eight rats. So I bought two rast Radoman and started feeding him. So I can feed them the the product. It was a two sided platform, basically, is the rows Knicks. And the, and so, you know, I started building tech companies and build this one company and built it up and sold it. And like I said earlier, and it was really, really exciting. And it was a lot of people that really helped me, and so I gave away, three million dollars to, you know, to the people that work for me. And it was the most inspiring thing I'd ever done. And it was full of magic to why people pay off student loans, and put their kids through school by houses, and, you know, pay for their his way, and it was just it was magical is what it's all about how refreshing to hear that story being told and you have been incredibly inspirational journey, but in two thousand sixteen you so to you'll full companies to EBay and I think it was over nine hundred million. Dollars cross Brun Dale unav-, help twelve plus companies get quiet, but anybody listening at the beginning of their stole to journey that could be going through a bit of a tough time at the moment or, or China achieve funding of so many of stages of that journey. What advice would you pass down to that person? I would say, first of all, you know, I have I'm working on a Ted talk that I'm doing later, and I tell him you need a handful of things. And you're in the handful is, is Dr enthusiasm discipline and optimism. And those things I think are critical. That's one thing I would tell them the other thing, I would tell them I think is, and this is something that I always get into debates about with investors is that when you start building a business, you have to understand who your buyers and a lot of people don't do that. A lot of people say, oh, well, you know, I'm building a business, I don't need to know that was down the road. And I tell them I say, well, listen, if you don't have an ideal buyer profile in ninety. Customer profile and you don't know that, that ideal customer profile is the same ideal customer profile profiles, your buyer basket of June. A really bad situation. You've ma'am work under company for years. And it's not like you were going to company, build it up. And then you go find a buyer, you have to have the whole time you have to be creating a relationship doing partnerships and things like that. So I tell people, I'm like if you were to build a product, you would have customer in mind, you would be solving a problem for a customer will your whole company to good buyer to a strategic. Buyer is just a product to them, most of the time, they don't need your customers. Not the good strategic, you know, as good synergies they have customers, and they've already paid for them if the customer acquisition costs have been absorbed, so you're building a company and you make sure that your buyer in their buyers aligned, they see, acquiring you as an additional extension to their existing investment in their current. Customers, and your whole go to market strategies should be aligned with that. I see people raising capital. And I you know, in my own investments to where I say, they're like, I want to raise five million, and I'm like, well, why do you want to raise five million and they said, well, because I have go to market strategy that's three million. And I say, well, why what is your go to market strategy? Let's go. Going out. And Quiring customers will buy you're going to go on choir. All these customers will because I wanna have revenue we'll buy you need. Revenue is the buyer. That's buying your company buying your company because you'd have revenue because if they're a forty billion dollar company, or a ten million dollar company are one hundred million dollar company, and they're buying your company, and you're like you've got like two three million in revenue, or whatever it is, is insignificant to them. They don't care about that. Would they care about his growth, margin and retention grosses, people want to buy a product margin says you do it at scale and retention says people wanna hold onto your product? And attachment rate is when you have a buyer and you acquire some of their clients and show those three drivers on their clients on their current customers, and that's how you sell company. And so you have to start with that in mind, otherwise, raise capital, you don't need you burn, where he don't need. And by the time you turn around the now, I wanna sell my company, you're starting on that process net process takes a year two years. You know where you start working with their customers in, you prove rove, margin retention with their customers. And you show that over a period of twelve twenty four months, and then you go, and you set up a partnership with them, and then you take a little investment from them, and then they buy your company and that's the pattern that I've seen repeatedly. And I get into a lot of arguments with investors look at their track record. I'm like, what are your clothes, how many deals out of the ones that you invest in fail? And they're like nine out of ten and I'm like, well, I don't have mines twelve for twelve so there you go. Oh, that's a pretty good averages any of that. So, well, it was just about to ask, why do so many stall to struggle to get a quiet formula experience. Sounds like if I'm is because if not doing early work around growth, margin and retention and kind of skipping those steps, would you say I think it has to do with that. But I also think it has to do with them, not planning for the acquisition. Right. So, you know, when you if you're building a company that sells widgets, and you have a better widget and everybody else has or you have a bulk onto an existing engine existing widget. Then when you go out need to identify I calm, your ideal buyer profiles. So you go out and you find three to five companies that went by your company, and then you justify that acquisition by building user stories. So I am and I want to buy so that I can set. Right. And when you build that out, then you say, okay who are their customers, and what are their customers ideal profile? And then you go out and acquire their customers. So let's have a base, which is their total customer size and I'm just using random numbers all over here. But let's thousand customers and you say them, I'm going to acquire ten percent of your. You don't tell them this. But in your head you say I'm gonna choir ten percent of this abyss buyers customers. And then you get out of that ten percent. You get fifty percent you shown a fifty percent growth rate on their customers. That's tach -ment. Now, if you retain those for twelve to twenty four months, you're showing that you can retain them for twelve twenty four months. Now, if you show that you can scale, meaning you can actually, you know, do have margins increase in show economies of scale over time now you have the magic trio. Right. That trio on their base makes it. So why wouldn't they buy you've proven to that already that you're perfect acquisition for them? Does that make sense? Absolutely. Another thing that I. Read a was also think this, incredibly important to build relationships with potential buys, but making those relationships building those relationships very early on in the process. So can you tell me more about why so important an also what any good or bad examples, you could maybe share that would highlight that you all? All bad. I think, you know, with regards to the relationship, you know, one of the things outside of the actual numbers, you know, so you have growth, March retention and the assumed attachment rate, as, as value drivers for Virat electric company in value, the acquisition of your company, but the other thing is the culture fit Ryan. So this is in unsaid, but very, very real thing. So if you look at a lot of companies, where the company will out in by another company, or even looking at buying another company, there is a certain amount of time, where the two companies are trying to figure out whether or not they can work together. You know there's a culture there, the city haven't been company that's very corporate. And you have a startup as you know, a star up, you know, where people are a little more wild than, you know, the big company, people are a little more laxed, you know there under the umbrella, the big corporations startup. People are hustlers started. People get frustrated with the big company started people leave. Investment goes down the toilet. So and so forth. Right. Or the startup gets acquired and they lose their hunger. Because now they're you know, everybody fat happy and you know, they're, they're not as motivated to, to Bill, the new company. So, you know, this is these these situations are very common. And so, and it's an unsaid thing. So if you drop out and acquisition for a long time. So what I suggest that people say, look, if you want size, specialize in selling companies in twenty four to thirty six months. Right. That's my that's my game plan. So I pick up a company at a point where I think, I can make that happen, so usually usually when they have what I call marketing by validation, and that's dated by somebody buying their product. And then right at that point immediately at that point, I start figuring out the buyer profiles are and then you have your entrepreneur go out and and start building relationship through partnership. Hey, I'm so, and so you make the introduction. And you you're warming up to them. They're warming up to you. You're starting to work together and you show that, that you companies can work together for a period of twelve months or so. So you know the thing I tell on for north my glow. Let's say you work on your company for five years may not divide. Your you go. Okay. I'm ready to sell my company. So first of all, how do you know you're ready second of all what, what tells you, you're right, just because you decide you ready, like if you have no metrics and no buyer, you don't know how close you are to that, right? Second of all, that means that you're starting the process, right? That, right. Semi you're, you're starting to have that phone call with them. You starting to develop this relationship, and that works has to be done and that could take a year or more. Right. So you have to really you have to really start that it's, it's a big. It's a big relationship thing, even outside of the dry, even if the dryers lineup they still can set back and go, yes, not good fit. We just don't think it's good that, you know. So it's really really important. Unfunny. Entrepreneurs listening. How can I say to pivot focus to long-term exit planning, is any tips around that economic I do in Boston business operating support system book that I'm writing called meet the boss this what I call it I called the northstar. And so that was a shameless plug, by the way, sorry about that. You have a the northstar in I call it the north star because you can always see the northstar when people get lost, they have the north star, and I tell people if you are ready. Fire aim perces, ready, aim fire. I tell him if you're trying to cross the ocean. And you're one degree off on your company's. You're going to land on a different continent. So you have to know where you're going to constantly align yourself to that north star and you can change your north star, but you need to start with something. So I tell people the first you have to have is the what, so what is your business, and what is your product, and they need to be separate? So that's just description feature and benefit. And then you haven't why why should somebody by your company in? Why should somebody buy your product and that's problem solution an impact, and then you have the who and that's the ideal buyer profile, and the ideal customer profile, and then you have the win? Mrs also very important. You know, boss uses eight from x to y date. Algorithm. And a lot of a lot of the boss methodology. And that's because if you don't have date, it's like running a marathon without a finish line. Right. You lose the interest of your people. They know they're in a start up. You know, just your keep people, who's interested, you know, people stop running when there's no finish line. So you have to have that win now that win can change. But you need to say I'm going to accomplish this by this date. And then now after you have a win. You have to establish the how much and people always go crazy on this one. Right. The investors, and I don't know how much as much as I can get all the sort of thing, and I say to them, I say, listen, if you don't know how much then you don't know how much money you should take on. You don't know how close you are. And you don't know what can I dilution, you can take on and more than anything? You don't have alignment from the board. A lot of times I'll get deals that are cleanups. Right. So there's a misalignment with the board the company's off. They've been draining money, the investors, retire putting money in, and they'll send it over to me to work on. Right. And so when I work on this deal with I'll do is, I'll sit down and I'll have a conversation with the board or the management team. I and I'll say listen management team. What is your strategy, which is all those things, right? What why when how much and then all lying those things, so you go into the board meeting, and I had one of these other day during the year. Like look the fact of the matter is that in order for this company to exit in the next twelve to thirty six months, you're looking at fifteen million dollar exit. And, you know, the board comes on the go, what I thought this was going to be fifty million dollar exit. And I'm like, where did you get that from mega? Oh, we just thought we thought that and I was like, well, then you have misalignment right because they've been giving out money looking at the. Outside and they'd been looking at it incorrectly. So a lot of times valuations, you high because of that, and they can't take on money without doing down round or a lot of times. They're trying to build this company out, and there's just false expectations. And so this time cost of money is off. So they're like, yeah, I can't wait five years for this exodus. It's going to be fifty million. I thought it was going to be fifty million, so you know there's a lot of lineman there, and how close are you to that exit? Will you have to have a trending wine yet? Say well growth margin retention and attachment, my top, and bottom line revenue need to be at a certain place for us to be ready for next. Well, if you don't have those numbers, you don't know where you are in that marathon. What, what are you on? Right. You're are you halfway? I don't know. Are you on the sprint should you start running so companies by companies? If you look at it like a bell curve company in all companies have belco, right? They reach appeal. Peak, and then they dropped down the other side and companies wanna buy companies as low on the left of the curve as possible. But when it's really safe because they're looking for that upside tick. And that's where you get through value from a synergy, the, the attachment rate in that outside take that they're going to get over time. Gets you a higher multiple, which is bore basically looking forward in the future. So they're gonna pay you ten times revenue. That's ten times ten years of your Ramya looking forward. They need to validate purchases be valuable. Right. And they do that two ways. They do that by looking at the future of the company and how well it's going to do and those valid driver's growth margin retention. So that would be the advice out, give to an entrepreneurs zinc of that stuff ahead of time and really factor that in make sure you keep its like GPS. Right. I told you I'm like, if you're gonna go from your friend's house to somebody else's house, and you don't know where that other location is you don't have GPS you don't know where you are. You don't know where. To make a turn. You don't know how long it's been taking together you need to have a GPS from the point where you are to the point where you're accidents, tastic advice, not you did mention you've got a book coming outlet. So we've got to explore. So what can we expect from your book, and when he's actually GIO the book comes out the first quarter next year? It's called meet the boss. And so what I did is I spent the last twenty five years, you studying, and, and I think of it as an open source platform, I spent the last twenty five years studying all of the different process architectures out there, so six sigma, lean forty axe, OGSM, okay. Ours. You know lean agile Kanban everything that's out there. Right. And I've spent twenty five years, and I didn't just study them. I actually use them at companies in different stages, and in different functional areas and basically, I put different. Aspects of them all together to create sort of this unified program, which takes advantage of these different pieces, along the half along the journey of a business from the point that it's his exits idealization all the way out to the company has liquidity event. And so the book sort of outlines those steps, and it has stories I've done hundreds of interviews with investors on for Noor's angel incubated groups might reveal sees on yours at succeeded. Entrepreneurs that failed meaning there's a ton of data around this, and the, it's not just me. Right. I mean, I think of myself as somebody who has collected the data led the project. But the input is from a lot of, you know, subject matter experts in different focuses addressing this problem because you have a ninety percent failure rate from Toronto Newroz. Well, that's just unaccepta-. Rable. I mean, I've seen really good deals lose and really bad heels win. And it has to do with their ability to execute in most entrepreneurs don't have the experience, so you have to give them a framework. It's like bowling with guard rails, you know, and it's like you know, making sure that you're staying in the ropes all the time and you're, you're not coming off the rails, you know, with your business, and you're moving forward over time in boss was built for that my passion actually for that came from growing up without any money and looking at the economy's today and seeing this massive consolidation of wealth. And what I what I wanna do. And, and so this is what my passion is to have that consolidation of wealth exit two companies founded by entrepreneurs and that helps with wealth distribution right? It gives it to entrepreneurs because I've seen these entrepreneurs win. And you get these people that really deserve to win, and they've earned it in their, their humble and they they're very. Charitable, and they have a different level of appreciation, and those sort of people deserve to get that wealth distribution. That's my motivation for putting together, boss. Then you seem to keep yourself incredibly busy, 'cause I believe you've also tend to coming up as well. Tell me all about that. Where that's going to be, and what to expect from them. I'm I'm not sure exactly where I'm trying for LA. I'm the subject matter is overcoming obstacles. So the narrative has to do with a handful that I brought up earlier focus, Dr doozy disciplined and optimism and the idea is to help, you know, TED talks aren't just business. So it has to be more universal. But and I used it, you know, to run Mero, I've asna, right? And I've run a marathon, and I've rock line, the face of al-qaeda can, which is the largest piece of exposed granite in the world and. Namely, had done a lot of different things I could go on and on. You've got to give me a few bowl about. I wrestled a crocodile, I did bullfighting I grant I swam with great white sharks, and while they ratings seat, eating seals, which was absolutely terrifying. I've done a lose go down the ice. You know, in a lose bungee jumping, skydiving, hang gliding, parasailing, parrot lightning. You know, it just goes on and on it, it's a and I do one of these things area. Your this year. I'm gonna ride a six hundred miles on a bicycle last year. I decided I wanted to do. I wanted to dead lift five hundred pounds five times. So I spent a year doing this year before that it was a marathon. I did John Muir trail, which is two hundred miles and thirty mountains twice a climbed. Forty two fourteen thousand foot mountains. You know, so anyway, you get kinda getting silly now but the idea the testing. Go to next year's Llandough Paul, any of the big on your book list. You you're desperate to take off over the next couple of years. I, I want to go into space next year. Oh, so. Yeah. So I want to go outside of our atmosphere and look at that little blue line that makes earth happen and see the beautiful planet that we live on this, this spaceship that we live on all together from a distance. I'm very worldly. And I think of everybody has my brothers and sisters on this. Little this Little Rock floating around in space together. And I wanna see that from a distance nice beautiful really's, but just for a moment, only to bring it back down to earth, and the world of technology. And, and that's all the any trends in at tech will ecommerce that particular accelerate yet. So I spent a lot of years in Marquette at tech, and I think that there is a huge transition going on there. So you look at the if you look at that space it started out, you know, in the really starting to kick off in about the nineties and over time, you know, there was no analytics, there was no data tracking was very limited. Now we have this. Unbelievable amount of data and unbelievable amount of tracking, and in that space, I think that the data and the ability to analyze the data is a substantial problem. So, you know, you look at people making quite a bit of money that are analysts that look at data and the amount of data we have has created the drive towards you know, business intelligence tools. You know, business analytics tools in the sort of thing will those tools have so many different reports and so much data, it's impossible for somebody to really go through and get, you know, claret you know, they can have a whole bunch of screens, go back and forth. But really, I think that where that's going to move to is machine learning, I think that machines are gonna learn how to run a look at the data without having to pull reports in analytics and all that and follow the orders of the user to figure out what that data actually means and that's where things are going to. That's one thing, the other thing is, you know, the personal information privacy is really, you know, with GDP are and, you know, all the updates far near you go on and on. You know what we're looking at as you know, the day of your reckoning for lazy advertising. Right. So you have, you know, the idea of, you know, span before it was lazy, our ties ING and, you know, really most of the hour talent. The advertisements done is, is really lazy. And you know, people are getting tired of lazy advertise just because I looked at divers once doesn't mean I have a baby, you know, it doesn't example, right? It may be. My sister has a baby in my arm. You know. So you know, things are changing and moving more towards advertising requires a lot of effort. And so you see this with the influencers you know where people are actually putting an effort and people want to hear from other people not from machines. And so you here, you know, you see you to the growth in YouTube influencers, which is substantial company called TV page is doing an incredible job in that space. And then you see the influence or space for Twitter Instagram, excetera, it really, really growing people starting to realize the value of humans talking to other other humans like referrals. And so, I think that's something they grow botox and everybody talks about robotics. But I think robotics is, is another big, but I think the robotics that, we've used as far as for manufacturing, and I think, you know, the, the ease of human day to day stuff is where robotics, we're going to start to become more handy, and I don't mean really super advanced robots. I mean, intelligent machines that are connected to the IOT that make things a little easier run for your life. Now, the other thing I think is that universal single platform. Technologies are really big team all over the place. Right. So you have, you know, you're an average user, you have Skype and you have what's happened. You have chat. And you have, you know, all of these, you know, I mean, there's so many different J Facebook messengers, and all these things going on. There's so many different places for people to get a hold of you, and I think, more and more users starting to realize that there is so much out there that, you know, somebody has to consolidate this somehow into a single interface or people will just start to drop certain things. All right. So you see people go. Yeah. I don't use that. You know, I, I don't use this, this particular thing. I use this one and people didn't have to add it up. I mean I haven't whole screen get a gate dedicated to chats. You know, entire speech is built with different chats. So I think, you know, human communication digitally is a problem that has yet to be solved. I think that's you know, something that is a big deal. And then Lastly, I think. You know, people wanna understand their impact on the earth and two other individuals with day to day stuff. Right. So, you know, I think most people are starting to care more in light of some of the horrible political environments. We have going on, especially in the United States. Where people are starting to really say. Oh, man, we really have to pay attention to what's going on here, and so anything that starts to track. The true cost of things is going to be really important. So when you buy something, the price, you pay is not the true cost of something. So, for example, if you're using natural gas, or any form of fossil fuels the true cost of that product is not recognized because the most governments don't make the oil companies sector, etc. Pay for the drill a well, and then they'll fill it up with the dirty water that comes out of the oil that they pull out of it that water drains into water table and pollutes water. And, you know, five ten miles down the river, some native American Indian reservation now has fluted, water or some farm is getting polluted water, and that oil company can't be attached to that. So I think that there is a, a need with regards the manufacturing of different products. It's shipping. A lot of things that are going to start moving towards tracking where the true cost of things actually, is because you can't charge tax or any sort of a fee onto the true cost of products or services, unless you understand what they actually are. So that's I guess a handful of them. I got so many, I'm sorry. I'm talking about so long. Until well before I to let you go, could I ask to even everyone listening if weather confirmed that more information about you. When you coming out folio progress. Maybe catch your ten till. Until just in case anyone's any questions and the best way of reaching out to you too. Yes. So my, I'll give you my Email address my Email addresses, Greg. That's G R E G at drops and drop. This is my last name spoke backwards. It's a playoff dyslexic. DRA P, E H, S dot com. And that's my Email the websites going to be Gregory shepherd dot com and it's supposed to be coming live. I think this week, I haven't had a website for a long time because, you know, I all of the growth has been really fast. I mean I started talking. You know, publisher pick me up at at a conference, and then things started going crazy. Super fascinating realized that I things that I had to say were things that people wanted to listen to so. What I can honestly. Tell you it was eight hundred and seventy interviews just a handful stay with me. But I just know that your inspirational story from humble beginnings to giving away three million dollars and seeing the difference, you able to make to others will stay with me for the rest of my life as well. You'll look Villar fuel adventures and seeing everyone on this flight in rock in space, as you'll brother and sister, you really do speak, my language, so the best of luck for the book full the tattoo, we'll stay in touch, and I'll speak to you again soon. Hopefully, but thanks for coming on the show today as a true honor, and you so nights. I'm very humbled by I appreciate it. Obviously meant everything I said in out, try when I found, Greg to be completely inspirational and one of those guys I could just chat two hours. And I think the big thing that really will may over was his huge being Holt. 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Men in Blazers 12/10/19

Men In Blazers

1:10:56 hr | 1 year ago

Men in Blazers 12/10/19

"This is Rebecca Lowe will rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio and you on this thing to men in Blazers on the NBC sports network from the embassy row studios in the crap father so already laughing this is GonNa. It'll be a long part. It's the men in places podcast. We back I don't confer guessing. Oh you'd love you love. Your old lover has come back and run and save this day. There are desperate our need a will break the news. I'm in a relatively good mood for this. podcast himself by four attended. And that's amazing. I've never I've rarely seen you for ready. Seen said medically possible. I'm down one point. Two nine you just down. One among the bears beat the cowboy now. It's amazing sporting week ever to one L. blaze. Eric your game. I want a sure Chelsea says we will break down objectively especially AH yeah describe a moment from Saturday's rumble which is haunted me left me reeling grappling even with the hyperbolic just some of the most profound questions. Shinzo human can awesome. So okay go ahead. What Jenna game? Yeah which is not a minute. Yeah volume advocate shirking their identity. To my surprise I will say my having to their identity shocking. It okay identity. Let's say they were footballing. Ralph Williams suddenly buccaneering. They're fighting. They're playing with collective active. The stuff that makes me love sport in the first place and I'm watching with all my kids my wife got love was away in. La this week for work work. So I don't for them watch me living out that emotional wonder that was big. dunks holy return to lift us all up and at the final whistle a a massive game world and the numerous enormous. Three point three seismic a sculpture. You love sculptures that you see where it says love in huge letters. Three three point to a big. Yeah they were that big and my second son bear He's a he's a beautiful is a beautiful boy. He's inside an oh he's A. He's an incredible very cool gentleman. We watches he's gotten incredible. Read of Human Nature sees everything thing if a sports fee forgave empathy ratings Republican ninety-five possible Wolcott levels empathy. Just the final whistle whistle. Yeah I felt like credible overwhelming sense of joy. Incredible relief to take over him because he's saying closest to me on the couch and I expected that light shed fan laughed shed pumping the shed high five crap and instead the final whistle his face just crumpled and he fell into my arms and he silently sobbed David. Kind of profound Saab. Gino them when you hold somebody and they're just just. The soaps are coming from so deep inside the whole body. Shake in your hand. Yeah this is the second time you've told me this story and I love it and I love all your kids alive little busy. He's he's a he's a he's a he's such an open and wise's nolde soul of a human beings poboy these beautiful. You've got emotional. The second time you told me the story. I imagine you'll tell that story with the rest of your life. You emotional about it by still come back to the same thing. Is this right. You have your children caring. So much about Edison football club and the outcome of individual games that they play in that they're gonNA crumble into heaps and even the good move victory might happen if they'd lost me. These are the questions I mean. I just hugged him in. Victor realized just how much of a toll hooping editon we came. We can't was taken on my kids. How much they ultimately realize the threat of relegation? He thought that so seismically late to me. Hey it's like I can't believe I've seen this movie before dalliance allegation big Sam Bish Bosh Poodle crap. See where you do. We go again by some new players. Let's do it said to me later. that he said I ve kept it in all the stress the darkness he said and and I had to write this down. He said it felt like someone we loved was dying and I could do nothing to stop it. This is a good how Paraguay's it's pretty bad pretty bad. Because really he's just he's he's reflecting refracting he's ingested all of your stress and emotionality you put into evidence despite adult care. I'm too I'm too it would you never are. And he's just taking all of that in and he's now carrying that burden I think it's time for that perspective conversation I think also the Vodka Rigi listening much of this is your phone thing you'll accept did made me realize I forget sandwich one life probably over a year. Yeah when all push together watching evitable lose games terribly. Losing has become such a corporate. My identity don't take away my losing but it's my kids. They don't change when they sing. Where by far the greatest t the world has ever see and they believe woods David whereas I believe that the greatest team I'm saying implicitly the greeters T- to me? I don't sing that pop implicit. They are the greatest team but to me. All of this has plummeted me into the depths of emotion producer. Jay DUBB's best summed up his magnificent line. It's always latest just before the dark yet. Just after the and that's it's a darkness sandwich what's going on right now. Some which the contract. I've got new trump stump feeling the contrast in the Dave Oh household my kids walking to the holiday favorite their school on Saturday lunchtime and and they're walking up Hudson Street in the crap parcel hotels their school and two. Gop stopped them and said Oh my God day for kids because they recognize is them from instagram George. Jj while them they're like yes and they have this. Whole compensation in the Tottenham fans apparently like very nice? And I take we've got to find now Georgia's ready. He pulled his keys out and pure spurs and anyway so they retired F.. facetime me to go and told me the story said I'll George did they taught you about the L.. Plays Erica result Everton beating Chelsea and look to me when Everton beat Chelsea like he. He had no idea that the game had happened. No idea what it is and I said yeah they lost and he goes yeah okay like no literally no material effect on him whatsoever. I lost a win. A draw a Champions League trophy. He likes winning trophies. But like everything else doesn't really matter naievety. And in the best inoculation relation life day is a dog this ignorant bliss. Okay talking of darkness. Rajini you've got a PhD in we've got a ton of men in blazers content coming up this week. We have a series of pieces dropping on golf channel and Golf Channel digital in which we deeply analyze the rules changes into the game and also celebrate the President's cup down in Australia. Can I just say on that one of the joys of my year. We've how many wonderful moments we talked to Steve. Kerr found ways we've talked. Take vetch can about the incredible bender. The we just had interview after we spoke to Meghan repeated several times on the most profound things breaking down as we do in one of the films the things have influenced us in our imagination about Australian talking to you about skippy. The Bush kangaroo. You've seen I mean don't don't knock it till you've seen it views not video one of the joys of my year may I may or may not have reached out to the original by holders to see the rights Of Skip a skip. Just let me. If you don't know what we're talking about. Just now eight nineteen seventies Australian television share which skippy the Bush piece. I would call real life television television souls crime after crime of the crime to be skipping. The kangaroo souls Kramer the Crown Yep talks we you need to get on the phone. We came for move into this listeners. But please walk shades beautiful anyway learning skippy willing term. You won't watch the talk a little bit about the goals. But it's mainly for us it's mainly skippy. The kangaroo related. We are back on you to look at it. Looks comfy talented many of you. So roads. A skip the delicate Bush we gotta run into the Weigel Ouaga skippy. I think he knows something back on live. TV next Monday at five thirty PM eastern oftentimes special guests Kfi then over the holidays. We have a boxing day special with John Oliver and a New Year's Day special with Edwin van der saw. Aw that's a lot of crap from US route okay wrote. We've got a pack show. We're GONNA relive in painstaking objective detail evidence three one as Eriko victory but Chelsea. We're GonNa Marvel at Nice Guy. All socialize. Efficacy as Mantis denied. Turn Down the volume on their noisy neighbors in the one hundred and seventy ninth Manchester Darby and Jamie Body just won't stop scoring but first a toast along raise my first third bird of the day. I love that sound effect when I speak into the ground. Smells good to the Von Concept of. I thought a lot about over the past couple of weeks Franklin Porta Jerry. And his babies made me. I consider it a perfect synergy of Israel. Chelsea's dire need that need solved by the wonder and beauty of youth and the satisfying feeling that ensued. Best capture believe and I think we both agree by the words of Bikkhu. Bodey eighty the translator of Buddhist techs as the state of perfect happiness complete peace complete freedom full awakening and understanding and then. I felt it again as US did. You're watching thirty-three-year-old West Ham debutante goalkeeper. David Monica's a beautiful moment. Keep that clean sheet for his Childhood Club in their hour of need and then again again this weekend. Watching hero big. Dunk Duncan Ferguson. Returned to a plummeting advocate spill having Lawrence Taylor step in temporarily early coach the giants if they would get a being and they probably should be relegated to the XFL more. Jim Big Deng deliver. Charge down the sideline in full flight. Hugging ballboys imply. Isn't the crowd filling a state of ecstasy which transcends sport and there's a human wholeness of motion the Buddhist concept I think of Taffeta meaning such north or that nest and I raised my but found blood to that mistake that that nece that nurse when we experienced something and say to ourselves reality is wondrously beautiful but also patents a fragile and passing David to that nece okay. Where's the Nisa? Let's get this over and done with. We've already spoken about it for an hour. And a half Everton. Three Chelsea one you'll Marco Silva lists mob find their way out of the relegation unsown and to the top of the pod rundown thanks to a comprehensive victory over my beloved Chelsea Manager Club. Legend Duncan Ferguson and early Richarson Charleston and a dominant caveat lewin brace proved too much for Franks babies who have now lost three of their last four crisis crisis crisis. The Victory Lifts Everton out of the relegation nations on and we assume boosts the mood in the Bennett House Hall. Well not really how you feeling. We know how you're feeling about this Roger. We've you've explained it in detail. COMMUNICA again the tip mandate we have to rip off slowly and painfully. Might Not Happen again in my lifetime I will. Do you want to come back to at the beginning because before kickoff at the at the Big Bang you won't let Sam Allardyce exploded saluted Norfolk. This always good. I did fail before kick-off as I was working in a factory of Broken Dreams Marco silver somewhat somewhat belatedly and really quite clearly be given the heave-ho on Thursday after not mercy so Darby is permanent success that will be the fifth manager manager to serve in just three and a half years since forehead. Machinery took her evidence that revolving door possibly the biggest symbol of a club soaked in its own history considering itself to be a traditional power almost overwhelming and undermined by a desperate desire to reclaim that status. Who Cares about strategy or OH patients in for this game? Step cult hero club legend. He'd been an assistant manager. Stepped up for the game. Do you remember him as deeply physical strike and not only a deeply physical striker but a lot of what he did. On the field was as an enforcer to some extent he was the he was the spiritual leader leader on the park for this team in the box from like defending corners in the middle of the park when he wanted to like. Send a message to somebody defending his. I saw the plays going at the ref going patient. The opposing and a prototypical old stall center forward head on everything arrived in Everton. In the mid ninety s from Scotland and we're just been imprisoned for headbutting opponent on the field of play and the arrived at Everton where you always seem perpetually semi out of control but still established himself himself to be our top score during dark days at Everton for Brooklyn almost single-handedly time and time again this relegation nearly ninety returning as an assistant coach and cleaning up is that the best way of summing up dunk was this peak in Liverpool robbers broke into his house and he beat the crap out of them. In fact I seem to remember. There was a detail in the court case which I believe they brought against him for how badly these rovers up they tried to jump out the window they were an escape and I believe he pulled them back into his house by the gun to beat them up some more God anyway facing this Chelsea a team it can seem we have a terrible record school in the lost seven zero blaze Eric. WHO's fourteen one to Chelsea big dunks steps in like a think a Scottish what Ashley and the intake willing to say whatever extraordinary things to protect the one thing in life he loves? I don't have money. What do have a very particular set of skills L. Skills a baby a nightmare for people that you if you let my daughter ever to go? Now that'll be the end of it. If not I'll look for you. I will find you and then I will kill you. which is exactly what you meant a believe David? When he said we'll fight for every ball will cover every play digress? Because that's what they did on this. We speak a lot on on this part where we sometimes can overstate the importance of emotional and those human characteristics but fans like look for we want them to play with passion. Play for the badge. Play for the club onto this whole thing which we are reminded constantly of when we speak to elite surveys of this game is that it's coaching and technical ability and winning important moments and decisive battles on the field of really make the difference in football however this was a day that was literally fueled by passion and Cassian Passion alone and even coming up on the wrong side of it. It was beautiful and I fell pessimistic. Bounce it from the second. I walked big mcdonagh entrance up. Those stairs announced the beginning again because by the way as huge as it was Frank Lampard coming back to the club coming back to Chelsea and and managing this team. If you look at his home debut as a manager it was a fairly understated announcement of fairly understated moment. That Franko this Duncan Ferguson. Moment was so choreographed and the camera. If you watch Frank Lampard's body language in the background Frank Nampa. WHO's a player? Who Respected Duncan Ferguson? As a player respects him had very nice. Things has to say about him in the pre mattress and the post-match press but he's looking at the whole thing happening and I gotta think he's thinking F- holy crap going to get in the ring with him F- F- like my babies are going into this pressure cooker of this emotional atmosphere and every time this season that the emotional volume is turned up on these Chelsea. Babies they have wilted. It was a test that they just are retrospectively. You were right. I didn't feel the tanks. I hadn't even had the chance to adopt to surrender Cobra when I'm five minutes. The potent Sediba Kill the proven cross into the middle. And who is there to head it in well. No one from Chelsea was anywhere near it not out goalkeeper. Not about defenders. I think Christians was like mocking four defenders at the point. And it's your boy rich Alison Mitchelson who he's reborn suddenly. There's rich Alison Ricky Alison Ferguson and ironically in the post game conference kept calling Rick. Allison I love that rich. Alderson is Brazilian. Does the pigeon twenty schools and in this one this goal was like a big chunk header steaming. In recco said is just to Geza hangs out in the corner of the Earth as a car trunk full of Dodgy Stolen Goods Celje percents on the dollar a few in the know you need to succeed Rick Illness and just happens half a lot of new brown ones in this car outside the pub and watching him the Brazilian slappers habitant badge in joy. Goodison Park just throb. Big Don't charge in down the sideline and celebration grabbing a ballboy flinging into the heavens. It was exactly what we all needed. They've the only shocking to me was a big dome. It didn't fling off his jacket tariff this shirt and kiss the evidence to that he has on his chest. It was just a magnificent moment and Everton continue to press from on the front. It was all basically. You're right David. This basic almost Moi's evident four forte built on the plays giving crap saying we're not good but we're going to come at you with a collective fist Rick Olson and DC L. Pressing Kovacic Chink cantey tearing at Chelsea pressing drove in the back opened. The crowd would get behind them which they it did and then just exploiting speed on the flanks sky statistician at embattled tweeted the major difference. Doug made evident thirty seven tackles against Chelsea the most by any team in the Premier League most evident have made in a decade. It was magnificent. You could tell from the way to debate mark Christian Pulisic say say non factor in this game are really tight. SEDIBA used his hands pushed nibbled away at politic kicked him at the time you you could tell helbig Dunkin send them out and said these leads Chelsea leads. They don't like it up totally because what Chelsea had plenty of possession in this game and I think after weathering not particularly well the initial official onslaught and going one nil down. I thought Chelsea came back into the game pretty well. They had plenty of possession. They were getting the ball to the edge of the box. They'll be getting into the ocean so moments when Tammy Lakey we'd just calibrate celebrate. There was just there. Were they getting into attacking positions but then just hesitating. There wasn't a single moment. I can remember this entire game of a hesitation station moment from a different player and I felt this was just hesitant. I hate to say this. I was reminded a little bit of Sarah's Chelsea in terms of overplaying the ball that hesitancy of the edge of the box that running someone and then stopping and it was wasteful and it just to me the emotion of the entire moment and you've talked a lot about goodison. The the atmosphere that sits in that in that ground Lebron felt like the emotion of the moment got to them as it did by the way opening day of the season at all Trafford against man united. I just think it got to them and it would get get back for Everton the other side halftime by the way when a tight that phrase into my game note it will get better for Everton ever said it before computers spellcheck did tell me. Yeah that little pay per click. We've always popped up. I saw defending familiar. So you know I got one of your own. You wanted him. We we told him well. You're claiming the ball. He just kind of smacked pop up flight. Yeah which dominate Covet Lou impound and God love. DC Al.. Yeah I've well it wasn't so much it wasn't so much popping up in the there was the moment as you said yesterday. Peed his pants on the way down. Say it just didn't really know how to deal with it. Once he created did the mistake. You know we saw. We'll talk about it later. That moment in the last two games Jamie Vardi whiffed on the ball and then immediately got it back bounce back ability such an important quality because I'm a had a moment and then completely fell to bounce back from DC ALKA under a play try bloody hard. He's trying hard. Pre much is give him antenna ten for trying. All the things strike is meant to deal with on he's so good Ling play knockdowns getting his head on the ball. Coined thing to see him actually school goals was on this date bewildering and he reeled away. He looked shocked. Lifted a shirt in Sally knowing that he could photoshop his muscles on these APPs to make them look like my pilates when he later posted on instagram. I was like all these strange emotions. I am experiencing feelings of happiness alien the and feelings whilst watching Everton play football and before a workout. The answer I was exposed to an emotional as much more familiar with Chelsea got one back through this John. Sorry I think. He's the most informed scorer over recent Games Matteo KOVACIC. Yes got the commentator. Just through the Chelsea hadn't come back from two goals down law season genuinely just our and then coach pounce on a poor clearance coach. The ball on the volley with his right first. This time it was a seeing eye single phenomenal strike Kovachevich coming into getting used to play for Chelsea football club. Now it's had a better season and this was. This was a better game from him and for a moment there. I certainly okay here. We come here we come. We haven't come but we haven't done well coming back this yet but this is. This is evident only Aston Villa of conceded more in the last us. Fifty minutes of games are big. Don't good at Pash. Would he be good. At tactic Tunisia. We hadn't seen our boys had run so hard I mean I just watched the excellent movie. It's John Hbo. Which I'm thank? God I've been looking at very just when we were kings about the foreman rumble in the jungle. And I was worried that Everton had punched themselves out. Yeah I really was and I've watched them do it so many times before there was such an old school feeling of doom to Everton Chelsea gave half expected managed to smash the ball past Tim. Howard from long range? David knew that was coming but instead the last thing I imagine happened. Everton scored ninety percent of this game a ninety percent of the disappointment of this game. I can sort of brush off and think what Chelsea will attack better. I do think that these babies gonna get stronger going forward the team it comes together. They Will Frank Lampard. post-match wasn't take more shots wants them to take more chances and they'll get their reinforcements coming in January. This is going to be good to team. NEEDS IT RUBIK IS GONNA come back from injury hopefully our LLC please God the ten percent that actually is really wearing for Chelsea. Is that what goes on in between Kappa and their centrebacks and the whole defensive understanding the back for Chelsea this is something and this was a goal and this is not the first time this has happened this season. This was hi Tara giveaway in a moment where you're trying to come back in the game. A terrible giveaway from kappa. Awful and the defense they had so many chances to go and clear this ball afterwards afterwards and they just fell through. It's like you're in a dream and you know and you can't run and you're you have leaden feet. It was like that moment and this understanding I would even say the first goals a little bit of that too. Is that this just lack of understanding between the goalkeeper who is a brilliant shot stopper kappa. But he's not much of a leader at the back. This is a worrying element. And there's this game Christianson had moored Turtur Zuma's both flounder kappa. Did neither favor Davis pounced. And the book to DC Al Chelsea slayer. I was wrong on this day. I was was wrong. And he poked the ball home. Such malign much-touted athlete had his day. Oh He's like our to Chelsea Regis to Liverpool DC L. now as to Chelsea in a massive game suddenly delivered when no one expected him to like a Premier League. Mitch Trubisky and that was David. No Fast Carter Day. I just imagine agenda looked up to the heavens and I thought the spirit of the late great Steven Naismith must be looking down from Heaven Calcium Liam because he's invisible but he's still submerged joy. I mean my only pleasure was going to be crapping on Ross Barkley but much fans have dispatched after the immersive sound. I thought we turn to tears of joy in the space of just three days football. How'd you do that to us in the safest possible way you Chelsea I? What was your take? They seem to other imaginative cumbersome. Lost three over the last four lamps post game. You give them a Tony Bit Room because of the youth is some of the team. They're they're not silly. They know that physical contact happens in Games. We've got learn to deal with it better. Look I think they've got the right manager. I feel everything Lampard said after the game and I feel this increasing with him he never says anything. I think the I don't agree with your assessment. I don't agree you're right. He actually is very honest about the performances and very honest about what happened. I feel good about that. Despite the recent L. Blaze Erica recold tackled of like fourteen goals to one this game. Actually in the men in Blazers era. The record has been pretty close. Eleven wins for Chelsea eight wins. Everton don't five Chelsea. Don't play very well against Everton and they just. I don't think there are many teams in the men in Blazers areas since two thousand and ten in that Era Chelsea haven't been very good about evidence difficult club up for them to play. They don't do well against that kind of passion Chelsea our team. Who Don't like it up? y'All don't like them. So you've got dave two hundred million dollar. Transfer Kitty rumored. Yeah Chelsea's transfer Pam was lifted. This week sensational. Would you be wary about upsetting locker room chemistry or would you be in there in January splashing in cash and in which case. What would you spend? I would not be worried about upsetting locker room chemistry. I would be doing what I can't afford. Competition and make plays is formed for their places. And worry worry about. Whether they're gonNA make it. I would start in the central defense. I like a lot of Chelsea fans would like to see Nathan Arcade back. Let let him go. It'd be nice to have him back. We've got a buy-back laws. Fortunately in the contract that we sold them and show well little therabreath yet. Another very good play. Dave is getting a little long in the the two third left-back who'd be good to see he'll come into the same. I think that would be a very good player. Good experience very solid player. So I'm more interested in what goes on at the back. I think we've got more going forward. It would be great great if we could. Spring Wolford's are half Crystal Palace if we could end up with Jaden Sancho from Dortmund. I think those would be amazing. Buys but I would be starting at the back with this club. Probably spend handle two hundred million dollars by Gary Hill back five. You wouldn't have an argument for me. I'd like him in the squad. Jerry Que Hill plus more Americans plus not me as Top four place big game against Lille today in the Champions League and this is like not great. This is a really important game for Chelsea. And I think we're GONNA know a lot more and you'll know lot more by the time this drought about how Chelsea you're going to respond to this. How the manager gets result out of these out of these kids and out of the squad on? I think it is time for some of those senior players concert Jorgihno Dave. I think we're GONNA have to step up you know and I think we're GONNA need somebody coming off the bench and doing something for the Everton. David let me look Everton. Tell me I mean is this. I guess the question is is this new manager bounce capable of lasting several games or oh the same problems which you outlined at the end of last week's pods still remain and what you have to go over the next few weeks. Everything magnificent day for me up there with Everton for Manchester United Nell of law season. That was also just a magnificent day when we needed it. It was a return to everything that thrills me. Artem football club at their best in the primarily gear. We've always been tenacious. We've always been a collective wherever the odds. We take the field with Hustle without not fair with passion and particularly in context after the demolition against Liverpool. Second team earlier in the week. It was just exhilarating again into say Everton football club run. I try hard. Never give up because of course I. We've barely try the Silva we have given. We didn't really give a crap and that to me. That's where I come watch football where you suspend belief when the football is on not try try it makes it seem about life it transcends football. It's not losing the matters. It's wrong for not giving a crap from playing for the club though. I don't believe that for a second honey. Believe that that bad. They didn't give a crap playing from silver playing that these are the same players who kissed the Bachelorette Lance Lynn was a man possessed and then can folks and possibly because because a new manager is coming in and they won't talk to the pigeon's Fed to Dunkin's pigeons but the reality is Lynn on the market Silva for the past year and a half has just casually watched as plaza blown past them. I mean you can watch game. Film Schneider just assuring people through and so watch play not give a crap I come watch. That Zachary mccaw in four tweeted when I tweeted a version. He said I'll take things that used to define defined the US men's national team for five hundred. The must have been seen that will save big Dunkin. That locker room there will be some whiskey. Drinks too will have been some larger drinks and I feel like you can gain relief when you give up. I think it's when you give up in life. There's an incredible relief. Believe me I've done it and you can gain relief by renewing the fight and evident didn't let up for one day and it was a magnificent. I I tweeted this. We were all the Everton ballboy on this day. Lifted up up by Duncan Ferguson. In our of need made that bloody statue amazing because that manner nowadays to feel emotions that to be honest I I doubt it. We'd fail for Long Jillian. Victory and Duncan Ferguson. Right afterwards was cornered by the English press. Do you feel you've made a statement have you. You said this is your club and you want us to shoulder it for now on. I loved what he said. He's so humble so really said it was an unbelievable experience. One never forget on the. I won't be going to mcsherry the owner asking for the job. I'm just here for Everton. We want the very best managers in the world. Everton football club. That's what he's saying he said it's not me it's not me said he himself that it's one game it's one whistle and I love this tweet from PG Dj eighty-eight you said it simple Raj. That's thirty eight different managers in the season. You can't lose if you're always on the new manager bounds. We've probably can if Niamey's coming David. I believe I mean yeah I like that for you. I prefer John Terry coming to Everton more. I think that'd be hilarious. Look I think. If Duncan Ferguson wins a few more games before they have another manager. I think there will be a question. I think there will be a moment but no running changes winning. Look how one win has changed everything in your mood. And around the state it was seventy three percent all about the hugs. That's what Premier League management off if they win four on the spin. I gotTa tell you it's going to be the they've got a couple of other big games coming up to if they win some little big games everything will change. Maybe it's a nice problem to have. I will say it's Hilarious to me. How hugging and football become so this new troop of the post-match whistle going and then the camera going on the field behind the manager and this is a new scene? We take it for granted. We now diagnosed. How the play has come up to the manager? All the hugged drill Oslo fans you talking. Everyone was diagnosing. Freddie's hugs with the play as well. They genuine where the planes hugging him with love love. It's like a soap. Opera but Premier League Management has seventy three percent became about the bloody hugs a little thick. Say this even I am everything linked into Everton which is hilarious and dark. It's as if the premier league is just playing out in my doc upside-down viewing experience. I do believe right now. 'cause everyone's tweet what do you think about it. What do you think I believe that whenever there's a vacancy right now? The managers agents are just brutal and running with it. Because it's a great story makes makes us all clay that I pray. I pray that five machinery has actually been watching football for the last twelve months and we'll we'll put their stories about here here. We Go Rodman city. Another huge huge game went on this weekend. Man City one man united to and after conquering Josie. I'm really owed Old Trafford Ali Gol so I want a week. Marches his troops straight into the AD and claims another high profile not to mention smooth bald scout. Marcus respite penalty his tenth goal of the disease. And aeneas stick stripe from Anthony Masi Allah reborn Anthony Marcy out the red hulk of mattress to lead city back in the second forty I five because only muster late Nico Mendieta city. Stay third slip. Fourteen points behind Liverpool united meanwhile surge into fifth. Just I five points off the top. Four hundred seventy nine Manchester Dr.. A game in the name modern period is felt seismic always titled defining. Yeah this one you. United entered eleven points behind reigning champion city close to zero point. Everyone reveling than to league-leading Liverpool and city themselves fighting fighting not to go fourteen behind their title-chasing rivals. Despite that the stakes were still so high for future for pep sanity. This was was a riveting game of Dr Pepper Halftime Tuition giveaway riveting frenzied opening city dominant united though so poised on the counter. Anthony Marshall Daniel James Jesse Lynn God and smash with a from for that was way too fast too. Furious look into charges cities vulnerability ability and we all knew it. was there David Defenses. Look so human more than human vulnerable and particularly susceptible to one thing in particular the counter onto a thermal exhaust port on the death star if that thermal exhaust port was massive and Johnstone sized. And and you not just went for that. That was a determination about man united in this game and it was written all over. Ogsm his face think about him when he came in as new manager bounce. It was almost a naive about him but like everything was is going so well and then when he started having challenges he looked always like worried toys concerned. There's been a steel about Ogsm just terms of his countenance over the last couple of weeks which has been very very impressive to me. He is trying to grab hold of that Man United Job Knock on let it go away and that still I think has been reflected across the pitch some of the most outstanding performances. What's is in this game? Scott MacDonald WHO's spoken a lot humming. He is just a wonderful wonderful football but Lindelof Lindelof was just outstanding in this this game. I've not seen Lindelof play like this Maguire is good too but they were just so good at the back end up getting ready out ripple Fred Fred this. This cannot be the same Fred that we watch majesty before it's got to be friends. It's something entirely different Fred. From an entirely different line of Fred's I mean just stunning game to watch united had twenty eight percent possession but just used it so lethally so clinically from from the off rash charging into the city box Bernardo Silva God love Rivaldo Silver Speak Seventy three languages languages and one of them is fouling. Neptune smash word penalty rash of it goes to the spot. It's as if the Englishness you can leave his body. It's just like the English wars going on at the beginning of the season when when when Manchester United's including Marcus rash guards woes from the spot was something we would like actually talking about at length on the podcast. He now has this look. He has that look. He's got a whole new routine before he goes up for a penalty. Now it's a very very slowly pug bask and the only difference being thing is he actually converse. Yeah but it is very continental bureau and we'll say the one thing that truly love about rush beans goals and there's been many of them. Recently Jesse Lynn. God It is the most committed on the failed. No not since David Beckham of united at the plan more aware that the first person to jump on the back of the goal score get get from billing and the tabloid newspapers the next day Jesse Lynn. God always first of the photograph pay on the wings just kept crushing cities. Hope city spirits. United we're so confident Fred Meg Roger. Yes that Fred. Within six minutes it will be two L. cities back line playing like Phil Jones in sky. Blue stood off James Marshy L.. What finish clever set on the television show? We're finish it was as clever lever was aviation Jim Commercial and felt so shocking David United magnificient. They could've been four or five up now. It was. I watching the. Why always me game averse? The one you just mentioned Daniel James Young Welshman. He was just outstanding armed in this game and say so much pace only Mr bullcrap them. The juicy marina would now become become the coach Manchester City. 'cause they were playing so committed so so angry at halftime. The challenge really was could you know it it show experience the confidence. Close the game down. Half of me expected them to look at the Tobin. Panic specially city took the field determined to drive back and it was then and it was then the Lindelof highlight defended with vigour and determination love when Lindelof celebrated like a linebacker celebrating a sack. That was just a emotional ocean exploration point heroin package plan turn in really a shutdown. CORNERBACK in Stefan Gilmore. He's an elite eat elite defender. And I think he's actually had some struggles since starting a man united and we haven't seen the best of him you know he is a he's a right back struggle going forward a little that was never his his strength palace but one on one defensively and even one against against three defensively. He is a unit he very percents one tomorrow. One Saka Aaron Safety Role of more than study he marked a number of city plays and just shot them all down into space on that side of the field and cities frustration. Bill et so much ball but in the final third reminded me of what genucel. And we've resiliency Zola La kind of era when they'd often try on the ball into the net and that frustration thread the stands and in a moment of true haunting darkness. Manchester City city fans pelted Fred at the time pelted him with cigarette. Lighters and I thought the time they move. That's going to help new. What this that? No one one wins when your team behind and you are pelting the opponent. It's old school. Used to be very commonplace when we grow. It's it's a terrible look and then it became worse when it was revealed. The one also was screaming at Fred with racist language. It fills me with disgust at filled with sadness that Fred said later. This is Fred speaking. We are still in a backward society and I accredit Man City for moving save quickly. They responded appropriately. Swiftly presumably will ban the fund sanfer life. I think criminal charges have also been filed against him. But what did you make of all because it was a horror. This was optically. I'm not saying bad things. Don't go on at every lab at some points during the season or during the recent Prime League era but this was optically just the worst thing I've seen go go on during the era of covering the premier league and what was so awful about it. Yes the actions of the individual fan which no doubt are going to be dealt with adjust inexcusable. While I was actually more concerned with with the actions of the entire section advance you know and that's where I thought that it was from moment GonNa get ugly. You know it wasn't just just like a couple of things were thrown and then cooled down a couple of things with thrown and then it escalated more things with thrown. I really credit both the united and the city not plans for how they handled that situation and carrying on because it would have affected the city place as well regime sterling has been a victim of terrible racism. Shame to say a my Chelsea football club and a lousy outspoken leader in the fight against racism affected the city players as well. It was just disgusting. It was awful. It looked like it was going to escalate escalade but this is pure cowardice is such cowardice hiding behind their stands in the fact that the that the players aren't GonNa like jumping after them it's just cowardice sub. So it's so awful it's so wrong I've a horrible feeling that these people people who like for some reason will go to the football league is okay. It's just a banner can't stand attitude and I hope Man City and actually the police move very very quickly to deal with this the end of the day. We've said this before. Football Paul is just a mirror. The is held up to the society which around is in every case particularly in the national game. We see that in in European settings over and over again and Gary Neville said really poignant on sky he said we have a prime minister. Right now who just cooled minorities. He adds he said what the Prime Minister Sir and is absolutely horrifying and then later barely apologize for his words. That's Gary Neville speaking. He said the prime minister's punishment was to become the leader of the country and this likely to continue in that position after this week so ultimately it's a football problem but that football problem is routed into societal problems at one and the same you know it is right. Football does reflect the the larger. She's going on in society but Britain is a more multicultural. Country is better for its multiculturalism as we've seen in trips to London metrics to Manchester trips livable. True off the field and I think what. The primarily illustrates a version of Britain. That is also accurate. There's also there and the vast majority of fans do not feel the way that this minority visits. Go and feel all made it an even. Even more deflating day for Pepin city fourteen points now behind league leaders Liverpool gap no one's bridged improperly history this stage of the season Pep Guardiola L. is worse points return after the first sixty matches of top flight season in his managerial career. What city they look bereft? They'll confused confused on this day. Winning is hard sustained winning back to back to back titles is almost westworld host desk. A mental fatigue kicks in as much as anything you look at city. The Big Marquee assets without team Fernandina Silver Guero aging out company gone the twilight of the city careers for many of their stars. A comprehensive review must now take place. Do you think has the energy to oversee it see. I wonder about that whether a comprehensive rebuild needs to take place remember Chelsea that awful season they had in fifteen sixteen and then they came back and sixteen seventeen and they won the league and it was. The same group of players wasn't like a lot of change that happened that was Marino's third season. Then Khazei I'd say came in. And he he solved. The I think the issues here with PAP and its pep. This reminds me. The city team reminds me of pet. I came into the Premier League in that sort of pointless possession city had a lot of chances in this game you know united credit them. They were determined a they took. There's they didn't have a lot of other chances to go beyond that first install when when they were killing in the second half city with the better team and they're plenty of chances to go and come back into but there's just a lot of pointless passing. There's a lot of pointless possession. What did they have seventy two percent a possession? It was a lot but it was pretty pointless. I still think that that's good. I still think even their senior players are very very good. They've got some issues at the back. I'm sure PEP IS GONNA. I'm sure he's going to have pressure to to address that in January even though he's saying he doesn't want any new lies which seems like a bizarre thing to say we'll say what Jim intensity the the stress and I thought a lot about this since poverty knows demise and speaking to people around Tottenham Hotspur in business business leaders. The difference between business and football is only one premier league manager every year can win clubs at this stimulus year so true and that must take a just an immense meant toll for the ones at the top watching on the sideline I mean we see him unravel we see him become a meme we forget that he's human and that Mao suffering. I do wonder like how long you you can sustain. He's only done four years at any club guessing. The Champions League will become obsessive. Focus for the season but we will sit and ain't that storyline is what we'll do. Manchester City is going to become the second half of the season narrative drum that will continue to be beaten but on this day. Let's say Manchester hit magnificent absolutely a win two in a row in the League for the first time since early March this game a major win in a massive matched to a real personality identity. So no question marks before he beaming sir. Alex fantastic to see him back doc in rude health savory and I it was wonderful a premier league with a strong Manchester United is a better primarily and this is a team who really have everything. They've got a great goalkeeper. They got a great defense and got great players in midfield. They've got creative players. They've got enforcing players. They've got great white plastic amazing speed. They've got a great centre forward. They really have every that great stadium syringe potato snack. They have more sponsors than anybody. They've got everything you really. I need to go and be a successful club and now let's see if Oj can kick them on well. Let's was smiling Roy full season gs first manager to be joe say impact within a single week so much pace so much lethally in transition can they thrive against the smaller teams whether expected to dominate. You're right I mean ah Liverpool in the days of clot what they really fought the bigger opponent and then wilted and gave up points again. I'm guess I'm saying this. Because they're about to play advertiser. It's a now train. This is true but in this season of crazy narrative flipflops united the now in fifth five points off the champions the they do have everything coming this Sunday Sunday. And after beating Pepin Jo say the Premier League's the conic manager arrives to face a big chunk in the united and Tottenham both smelling the blue blood of Chelsea feeling that they can catch them up quickly born with no Liverpool three another routine when the European KLOPP and Co extends their unbeaten streak goals from oxen. The box Alex oxalate Chamberlain navigator and most Saleh Keep Liverpool eight points clear at top the primarily table. They could play skied the kangaroo in place of any of their players and still win wash Matthaus fifty two blue. Just the seven changes for your clock on Saturday you blue we say if you laying. Yeah do you like I go fishing with him. Give me you got a plan to the left wing skippy starred against you know Sally. I primarily start the season for Naby Keta a symbol of a new Liverpool traits. Never get the off side squad death mate data for Liverpool Saudi-omani. Take you see on the bench. Load Management and after the anxious can a November of leaving it to the last minute to extract three points this was cruise again. Liverpool boom aside. Who'd lost four straight? I am really played like. MD Ruis. I've gotTA say did love is post fight quote one the say that the three months of partying celebrating affected me. But to tell you the truth. It kind of did fantastic moments. I primarily goal after two injury-plagued Saleh's wizard Phil backheel flick. Which AH empowered cater to score amazing? Sixteen of Nineteen outfield players Liverpool of fielded have now scored seller later grabbed. His tenth. Goal of the season looked better in this game than him. Weeks and Liverpool take reports most played song on your Klopp spotify rap personal playlist. Victory Tree hugs their focus. Now moves to the point today. They need to extract from Salzburg to move on in the Champions League which is it's almost become an afterthought for them this season but an astonishing primarily. I have never before batted in English top-flight history. Sixteen Games Dave Oh fifteen. Winds forty goal scored forty six points accrued one league defeat in fifty five and seven more games to go this month. But now they've got Kerry it catered Gomez Lana to rely as they walk on with more hope in their hearts and I think should be legally admissible. Yeah I mean it's very hard. It's kind of like sometimes. I look at my auden in winter and the idea of summer is impossible to imagine. You just can't imagine that same garden looking looking some alike and the same in summer. It's impossible imagine winter winter with Liverpool playing this well. It's impossible to imagine a moment when they won't play this world's impossible to imagine the end of this story and yet it will happen count for every night ball is rarely rarely a straight line of this will go on forever. It won't go on forever I think hopefully livable fans and certainly to everyone objected. Are we looking at it. It seems as though this is going to last until the end of this season so enjoy it while it lasts. It doesn't make you a better person if you're a Liverpool fan doesn't mean that you are more successful in life it's just you joy just enjoy. It won't go on forever enjoy. It's lovely to do a podcast with Chauncey the Gardner All do dream Butler Palooza almost every night and the late great juice world a line and one of his songs all this jealousy and agony that I sit in. I'm jealous boy. We really feel like John Lennon described made this season as I watched Liverpool. What they've done? It's been amazing and me in Bournemouth. Eddie how who if born with replaying better or I think would be the the presumptive new manager of Everton Football Club's charter Suddenly nobody's excited about anyhow going to Everton suddenly I. I think you've talked about Eddie. How for a Lotta years no mention of anyhow now by your own food or skippy Aston Villa while less before all the foxes club-record eighth game in a row? Wow behind a brace from thirty two year. Old Jamie Body now has a league-leading sixteen goals this season. Colletti at show and Johnny Evans. Ross on the scoresheet lester stay second. Just eight points behind Liverpool. Yeah Aston Villa had early chances in this. But they are so Toothless in attack gauzy on the edge of the six-yard box clanked the ball off the ball. We've just a vast expensive goal waiting less than showed them what they should be doing. Economical finishing is just the trait of Leicester City four goals on eight shots on target which just flowed once Villa's rock tyrone wings tweet to hamstring unless the took full advantage Jamie body scoring twice the first one dishing out assists to himself as well as just screwing the goals. He he became just the second player in prehistory to score in eight successive games on two separate occasions. The other one route Vanessa Roy. But somehow they've I do believe he's still underrated. Yeah I'm I don't know about that. I I think that a lot of people who really understand football Z.. Movement see how well he finishes and you look at his story about where he came from. I think he's actually become a better place retired from international duty. I think that's been a huge without you know. He's playing in a system under manager around players. Who really really know what he can do? They understand yet put the ball. I mean it's so true it's an amazing stat since Brendan Rodgers. First game in charge much. Jamie Volley has scored twenty five primarily goals eight more than any play. In that time you just take back shoulder. Assassin do marvel how economically he decided winter mate runs and when not and then he is so bloody Lee for me. I I paint houses and that's why I think he screamed after we scored the second he undoubtedly also if you're asking does his own carpentry. I Imagine Jamie Volley just constantly dumping weapons into the Schuylkill River. The reminds me of Hansie of Hansie actually from the four four t that tracker and hit man working for the Goodhart family just tracking down. He's remarkable mentioning. Brendan Rodgers. Is Fun week for him. Committed his long-term future to less the sunny a new contract till twenty twenty-five reminds me now ever more of a Premier Legal Mirsky ask and what he's done. It is impressive David Ferrie best in the League we've talked about how intolerant less the city's midfielders. Her of their teammates MIS calibrated passes but watching it. Just charge on take his chance closed down so div two mazing what he's getting such amazing performances out of unheralded premier league veterans and new players. Who didn't have a lot of heat around them and his backline particularly? I mean they're gonNA lose. Plays in January. Sorry this is going to be something. That's going to affect Lester a lot because they've become the new Southampton but also a really good team themselves and I think a lot of clubs are going to be coming off the plan. December twenty six Liverpool plane last circle a date never an hyperbolic called this win against Aston Villa. Quite a real historical performance bridge always number one in the smoke. Table talking smug Tottenham Five Burnley Mill Spurs bounce back back from that united lost in emphatic fashion by pumping five past the band of Lancashire. Burn the a series of NSF. W goals in this one including a long-range Howitzer what's up from Hurricane. An enter in South Korean scamper and score from San Marino though will probably have taken more pleasure from his first clean sheet is now one four or five. Since taking the helm new mazing that would be newly blissed out medical marijuana Mariya still all smiles even after the shocking loss at Old Trafford Ted. I simply simply told my players. I don't want to feel sad. The one the man gray am four minutes hurricane just taking out so much anger on on the ball. You don't understand me Stepdad. You tell me what to do. You Know My real dad then. The second two goals for K.. Make it twenty. I five in twenty six matches for club and country yet he still so overrated but the real talking point here sons WanNa go Iran like a South Korean Lamar Jackson Jackson big. Trust David No. It was an amazing goal. I was watching it with producer. Jay DUBB's yesterday announcer minded if that goal that Eden has scored for Chelsea a couple of seasons ago against Arsenal. We sort of when the length of the field and beat a bunch of players. And I think this goal was every bit as good. Son is deceptively fast. He's deceptively long of leg accelerated at least three times in in how it changes. His pace would be very instincts. Speak the Hawkeye people about that for the skeletal tracking you can also ask the Hawkeye. People defending optional. It was a little bit match Dixie without a doubt taking some South Korean money you never know they could do up there and like renting eight players. ASU Ninety one point four yards from eighteen yard. Line it was primarily gets a kick return daily creating Elaine with decoy. Run Son just bursting. The whole war be reminded of the Ray Hudson quote is your like. He's got a food mix at short set. It set to beat the go. You watched it. And you realize the Spurs fans they will be talking about this goal in pubs in clubs around family tables for years is is a kind of move just one of those goals see it. Shed memory of one the such pace direct force of will search Silvio Farrell footwork. The Korean commentary find it on the Internet. Just report pride and joy and everything. That's wonderful about the game. I just wonder if Josie goes home at night and closes the door and just suddenly collapses into a ball and just as I got. Continue to be this nice act is possible. I think he does what comes next. What's most important? He just fired up a fat one maybe Brighton. To Wolves to two goals from Diogo Zata. Keep the boys in the black country. I'm beaten an eleven to make this their best start to top flight campaign even after a terrible start this top light campaign in forty years. Fresh thinking Potter's Brighton. Meanwhile are twelve. I love GRANDPA. We actually when we were Manchester. He was walking around the lobby of our very packed hotel in Manchester with a truck on they. Brian tracks with his initials G.. He pay just wanting people to notice him. And no one dead Emmys fresh-faced. He's he's quietly just had. His contract extended Brian Until Twenty twenty-five light. The bridge thirty four. Oh unheralded most shockingly of all British. Roy Did by many when he was appointed. Not the traditional managerial career. TREKKIES had embroi- in on just just in twelve that playing I'm bishops possession based joyous football without needing the mythical three or four transfer windows to create change to me proof that small teams teams can do more for their fans and just hang on in the premier league they can enter tate and they can thrive it's wonderful Newcastle to Southampton one tune. Come from behind and Repel Ralph Hampton from tyneside and Andy Carroll assisted John Shelby Atta an eighty seventh minute Frederico Fernandez you'll see the tune surgeon. Judge Into Eleven Steve. Bruce has them unbeaten in Serie. I think that was my goal of the season I can stop the League Ron and Carol crossing the ball for Jonjo shelby to not his third goal in three games. Just just the hand and the bold coming together in harmony not since the video for Eboni the very thing have such hall mounier sounds being composed by two men signed by somebody than their piano keyboard. I looked when here's the problem with goal of the season competitions is they look for the best goal they look for the technically most difficult goal the most impressive visually goal essays. And I'm saying that really. The goal of the season should should be the most narrative defying goals narrative defining lessons that building chaos just riven by by. Hey you're looking at goal. I think if a man with the head of hair that shotgun and the Carol can instead of shooting blindly the ball into the stems the ball over fifty yards all about him instead he can say no my little friend who I have so much in you have so little yet. I'm going to serve of you up on you and you're going to school in the way only normally score we're going to reverse role I'M GONNA I'm GonNA touch you. Even your Roy did by society. Yeah which consumed by. Hey you're absolutely just an outcast. I'm going to pick you up and hug you and show the world we can get on at believe Andy Carolina. I don't like to be hyperbolic in your shell with. They might be our only hope. So I think maybe we should think about a men in blazers goal of the season which looks for different qualities. And they're taking the actually yeah narrative many blazes narrative narrative defying all defining narrative defined slash defining goal of the season. Because I've got to say a destroy this tip bow F- civilization does come crashing down and only two human survive survive and we have to create together to create the perfect human who John Jay Shelby and Carolina left. And we all have. Somehow I can happen. County John Doe Shakespeare in Britain. Andy Carroll is not shack Other than the death of the same greatly exaggerated did my word knowledge one sheffield united to this. Agriculture versus industry. Darby sees the blades overcome a one nil deficit. Thanks to early. Second half off goals from end to Stevens and George Bolduc Sheffield United. Eighth the CANARIES. Meanwhile stay down the coal mine. That is the relegations amazing. I mean to team still and being away from home. This season. Amazing one of them. Eighty seven points clear at the top of the table. Liverpool heard of him the other yet mighty blades. who was they did here? Keep coming back from behind to do so magnificent. What for Nil Crystal Palace Nila turgid affair victory? The point keeps palace in the top half of the table that tenth. What would remain nail to the bottom of the table? They failed to score nine of sixteen games this season and they've appointed an old slightly angry friend as their new manager. Yup the APP manager slash sideline streetfighter. Nigel Pearson is back appointed bottom of the table or manager till the the end of the season. 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Invention Playlist 4: Penicillin

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Invention Playlist 4: Penicillin

"Today's episode is brought to you by IBM smart is open open is smart IBM's combining their industry expertise with open source leadership of Red Hat. Let's unlock the world's potential. Let's put smart to work. Learn more at IBM DOT com slash red hat. Guys it's bobby bones I host the bobby bones show and I'm pretty much always sleep because I wake up with three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together, and we get into a room and we do a radio show. Wish you're alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much in the world. Possibly can, and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too, so wake up with a bunch of my friends on ninety eight point seven W. MC in Washington, DC, or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP. Welcome to invention a production of iheartradio. Hey Welcome to invention. My name is Robert. Lamb and I'm Joe. McCormick and Robert I know you WanNa talk about dnd before we get to the real subject. Well I don't know I was thinking about doing it last. We can go ahead and talk about it up front. Yeah. We'll in dungeons and dragons. These various Demon Lords, and they they rule over various sort of portions of the of the fiend population in the game, and they're to demon lords in particular that I was thinking about in regards to today's episode, and that that would be. An jubilee. So Saag Moi is the. Demon Lord of Fungi. The Queen Fun Guy, the master of decay and then opposing her. Ever at odds with her is jubilee, the faceless Lord God uses slimes and blobs all the losing nasty creatures of Dungeons and dragons, and yeah there they oppose each other their constant war with each other and some. Campaigns like their forces, and even there there in embodied forms do battle with one another, and it actually ties in a bit with this subject. We're talking about today of penicillin. Okay, so penicillin, the fungus that fights! I don't know. Would you call diseases slimes? Well I feel like jubilee being the demon. Lord of Oozes, and slimes kind of makes it the demon, Lord of of microbiology, as well and you know my groves and microbial illnesses so okay well so today we're going to be talking about penicillin. Maybe one of the great real weapons of Tavoy. Yes, but this this came up I. Think because we'd been talking about fungus on or other podcasts on stuff to blow your mind where we just finished recording a five part series on psychedelics, yeah, yeah, looking at Fungal psychedelics and ongoing research into how these substances could enhance our mental. Mental wellbeing in helping the treatment of psychological issues and one of our big take home that these guys could help save lives and improve the quality of human life, but it would not be the first or only fungi to do so because we can certainly look to various interactions between human health, the different fungi species and their use in traditional medicine we can point to various products including products of fermentation for instance including alcohol but there's an even better example of better living through fungi in that's penicillin. Right so today we're going briefly explored the invention of penicillin, which is often cited as. The first true antibiotic technology of course antibiotics are medications that treat infections by killing injuring or slowing the growth of bacteria and the body. Antibiotics are a class of what you would generally call antimicrobial drugs medicines that kill microbes that present a threat to the body of course and antibiotics generally fight bacterial infections, whereas you could have others like Antifungal that Fungal infections or antivirals that fight viral infections now, antimicrobials antibiotics are gigantic subject area that we're. We're of course not going to be able to get into every nook and cranny of the subjects, but we hope we can have a an interesting introductory introductory discussion. Maybe come back to antibiotic sometime again in the future because it's it's a broad invention that has lots of little invention tributaries throughout history. Yeah, but it is such a fascinating case to look at it and I think should make for a great episode of invention here because. For starters it's it's a twentieth century invention. Slash discovery off, and of course, the line between ambition discovery is a little bit gray. But we we can pinpoint it to nineteen twenty eight, and ultimately like rolled out by nineteen forty or so but so we can, we can look to it. We can look at the world before we can look at the world after with with the sort of clarity that we always have with the certainly older or more ancient inventions, exactly because we always like to ask the question on the show what came before the invention what what changed when this invention came on the scene and what became before widespread modern antibiotics was stupendous amounts of death and misery from infectious disease in blood poisoning I I was wondering like. Is it even possible? To get stats on what the world of infectious disease looked like before we had antibiotics around the mid twentieth century. Yeah I mean to a certain extent, a lot of the suffering is just incalculable you know especially, if you go back and sort of consider all of human history up to that point in the various factors that that influenced infectious disease and injury, you know the the eventually the rise of germ theory, but. This things like that the rise of cities and so forth, but but luckily yes, since it was such a reason invention, we have some pretty incredible stats on the matter. Suddenly. Thanks to this new miracle drug diseases that it simply ravage. The global population like syphilis could be cured. The shadow of lethal infection no longer hung at least as heavily over every scrape, injury and war wound. And with wounds, where often talking about Sepsis, which is a term that was used by hippocrates back in the fourth century, BC meaning blood, rod or blood poisoning. And he was referring more in generally I think to decay, but the term came to be applied to blood poisoning, which arises when the body's response to infection causes. Injury to its own tissue and organs. But just prior to the twentieth century, infectious diseases accounted for high morbidity and mortality rates around the world, even in the industrialized world, according to w a Adedeji in the treasurer called antibiotics from two thousand sixteen, the average life expectancy at birth was forty seven years forty, six forty eight years for men and women respectively, and this was due to the dangers of smallpox cholera. Diptheria pneumonia typhoid fever plague Turkey Laos's typhus, syphilis and host of other ailments that could afflict you. endearingly antibiotic Era that follow again a rising in the middle of the twentieth century, the the leading cause of death in the United States change from communicable diseases to noncommunicable diseases like Carter, cardiovascular disease, cancer and stroke, and the average life expectancy at birth rose to seventy eight point eight years, so the elderly were no longer a mere four percent of the population, but grow to become a whopping thirteen percent of the population. So we're talking about you know profound changes. Demographics based on this new this new invention. Yeah, the changes huge. We live in a world now where if you have access to high quality, modern medicine and a lot of people don't. Mind, but if you have access to high quality, modern science based medicine, and you can get antibiotics and and can get to a hospital or see a doctor. You very likely have a good chance to beat most of the Common Infectious Diseases that people get unless you have some kind of you know like another condition that exacerbates it or something before antibiotics. This was just not the people just died from diseases that you catch like diseases that are common for people to catch all the time, yeah or certain. Certain diseases like syphilis that were virtually uncurable you know, and and some of the the cures that were attempted were were pretty horrendous. You know in and had an generally did not work. You know talking about using mercury and so forth and do you mentioned before contamination of wounds? I mean this is just a huge thing. Just like a you know you might you might cut yourself while gardening, and you die from it. Yeah, heaven, forbid you undergo, say Medieval Gallstone, surgery or something like that yeah? By the way, I think tuberculosis has a you. Know is a good example to look at for some of these stats as well according to the CDC. TB was a leading cause of death in the US in nineteen, forty, prior to the rollout of antibiotic therapy in Nineteen, hundred, one, hundred, ninety, four of every hundred thousand us. Residents died from deep TB. Most residents of urban areas in nineteen hundred, the three leading causes of death in the US were pneumonia, tuberculosis and diarrhea, and interrupt us, which together with Diptheria caused one third of all deaths, and of these deaths, forty percent were among children aged less than five years old. Now to your point in not everybody has. Access to antibiotics that say and people enjoy in say Europe and the United States. Yet TB remains a the leading cause of death from an infectious disease in many parts of the world, particularly the developing world and some antibiotic treatments or antibiotic assisted treatments are more complicated and more difficult than others I mean I know the treatment for TB is not as say easy is around of just orally administered antibiotics that you might get for a standard bacterial infection right, but it suddenly was just a heralded rightfully so is is a miracle invention. When it came about you, I saw an image of a of a sign on a garbage. Can or mailbox from the Mid Twentieth Century Advertising that now you can get gonorrhea cured in in like four hours. Thanks to the you know these new developments in antibiotics you know. It can be difficult to put ourselves in that mindset, having grown up in the wake of antibiotics, or at least most of most people listening to this show I was just thinking about how many like us. Presidents died of infections of various kinds. That seems like that would be a very unusual thing to happen now, but like in the eighteen hundreds James Garfield got shot, but it wasn't the initial gunshot that killed him. He lived for like think weeks afterwards he got an infection in the wound. I think because they were digging around with dirty hands to try to get the bullet out of him, and he and they didn't have antibiotics of course when he got an infection, so he died. I think another. A US was William. Henry Harrison who I think. They think Dow died from probably like drinking, fecal contaminated water, and the White House yes, so many different injuries and infections were. Far More likely to be lethal with you know without modern antibiotics to step in and and aid in the fight. Now there were some things that were kind of like versions of antibiotics or antimicrobials from before the discovery of Penicillin in nineteen twenty eight, yeah, the best example from the period, just immediate immediately prior to penicillin would be the Safa'a, miser or the soulful drugs, and these were the first antibacterial used systematically, and they were synthesized in nineteen. Nineteen thirty two in the German laboratories of Bear AG. Now you might be thinking about the time line like wait a minute. Didn't we just say that penicillin was discovered in twenty eight, but it took a long time after the discovery of penicillins antibacterial properties for it to be made as a useful medical dry like it was one thousand, nine, hundred forty. Generally, that's the date you see for. When penicillin actually became a yeah, an actionable thing in Madison. So, yeah, before that we had the SOFA drugs and it they had a rocky start, but they did prove very effective in preventing wound infections during the second world, war they were used on both sides in the in the form of soulful pills and also sotho powders that would be sprinkled over wound so if you've ever watched A. some sort of a period piece, especially a war piece of the twentieth century, and you see somebody, sprinkling powder mover injury. That is what that's supposed to be soft drugs are they're not as effective as true antibiotics like penicillin. And there are a number of possible side effects that. Can take place, and it also can't be used to treat syphilis an and it also can't treat SOFA resistant infections now, of course, this is also a twentieth century invention so I was wondering. Did anybody come up with any version of antibiotics or Proto antibiotics? Before the Twentieth Century? We know that penicillin hadn't been discovered and isolated and made stable as a useful medicine, but were there any things like antibiotics are sort of precursors. Precursors of antibiotic, because in game of thrones right, they have penicillin. Don't they? Or they have some sort of fantasy penicillin I've never heard of that, don't they? Have something the the the the the masters would mention having to do with with Brad in mold or something, didn't they? I? Don't remember that I just remember people get cuts, and then they get infected indic-. Give him milk of the poppy I mean they have milk the poppy maybe. Our game of thrones our our our George. Martin readers left to right in on that, but I vaguely remember there being like allusion to something like some sort of mole based. Medicine that they were using. Let could be wrong. Well. I can't see that being something that's thrown in there as a little aside, but like isn't widely recognized for us. And it's interesting how that kind of parallels. Some interesting pieces of evidence for Proto Antibiotic Technology in the real world, even going back to ancient times so I won't look at the work of the emory university bio archaeologists George. Jr Mela goes. Who is now deceased I think he died in twenty fourteen but he's interest eight interesting scholar, and he discovered something very curious back in nineteen eighty, so the subject he was looking at was a set of human bones from ancient Nubia dating. Dating from between three fifty and five fifty C E, and so the the bones came from Nubia, which is a region of Africa along the Nile, river, but south of Egypt in what would be modern day Sudan, and what these bones showed was evidence that the people they belong to had been taking tetracycline now. Tetracyclene is not the same as penicillin, but it is an antibiotic. It can be used to treat all kinds of infections for minor problems like acne concert with some other drugs. Drugs two major diseases like play or to leukemia, or even syphilis and tetracycline works primarily binding to the Ribe, assumes of bacterial cells, ribes, zones or sort of the cellular factories they build proteins that are needed in order for organisms to live and grow, and by binding to the Ri-. Zome tetracycline makes it difficult for the bacterium to create new proteins. It was patented in the nineteen fifties and became widely used in the second half of the Twentieth Century So, what was it? It doing in the bones of Nubian. People who live like seventeen hundred years ago, well Arm Lago sin colleagues followed archaeological clues to identify the source of the tetracycline, which was beer of course, beer is another one of Ultimately, it falls under zagged Moi's domain. Oh. Yeah, though this is different. Because tetracycline is not made from a fungus, it is actually an antibacterial. That is a byproduct of some bacteria. Oh, okay, so it's bacterial byproduct, but essentially okay, so technically it's duplex. Point to jubilee this jubilee versus Gibb Lakes Right. I mean that's going to happen with your demon. Lord I introduced lean warfare so beer is made from fermented grain of course and the fermented grain in this ancient. Beer apparently contained the bacteria streptomycetes, which creates Tetra cycling as a byproduct, but a question of course so like were these traces of tetracycline in Nubian mummy bones, a sign of like a bad batch of beer, got contaminated by accident, or were these people deliberately culturing their beer with antibiotic producing bacteria, and so to look at a study from the American Journal of Physical Anthropology from twenty. Ten of which are Malaga's was one of the authors the authors examined tetracycline in skeletal remains from throughout this period, and the evidence indicates that the ancient Nubians were consuming these antibiotics on a regular basis in the authors suggest that these ancient people. People were intentionally producing this medicine and this links up with some evidence from other ancient peoples, nearby such as the Egyptians that sometimes apparently used beer as a treatment for conditions like gum, disease, and other types of infections in the author, even found evidence of a four year old child, whose skull contained lots of tetracycline from this beer, suggesting that the child had been fed high doses of this like antibiotic beer, perhaps in an attempt to cure an illness, maybe the illness that killed him, and so the levels of tetracycline residue found in the bones. These mummies is only explicable. If they were repeatedly consuming this antibiotic in their diet. And there are actually other archaeological remains that show evidence of antibiotic use in the ancient world for example samples taken from the Famara of skeletons from the Dock Leo ACIS in Egypt from people who live sometime in the late Roman period, also showed evidence of the same thing of tetracycline and the Diet and this consumption of tetracyclene is consistent with other evidence, showing a relatively rate of infectious disease in Sudanese Nubia during that time period. And a lack of bone infections apparent in these remains from the this acis in Egypt so. It really does look like people in ancient Africa discovered a somewhat effective form of antibiotics centuries before the discovery of penicillin and the isolation and mass production of focused anti-microbial medicines now to be clear. I think like a beer that had tetracycline content from from being cultured with bacteria, like this probably would not be as potent and focused and effective as like the isolated compounds in the drugs you take orally or through injection would be today right, but it would have some effect and. And it appeared that it probably was somewhat effective in fighting infectious disease right, and of course they wouldn't know exactly what they had here, but they knew they had some sort of beer that seemed to some sort of holy liquid that that that had some sort of curative property to it exactly fascinating discovery from the ancient world, another interesting fact tetracyclene is relatively unique in that it leaves clear signatures in the bones that can be discovered long after the person has died so. Don't leave these clear markers like this that make it easy for archaeologists to detect, so you have to wonder like, are they? Were there other cases of ancient peoples in various places in times using some kind of antibiotics or bacterial or fungal cultures to treat diseases like these ancient Nubian people were but that we don't have evidence of because it doesn't show up in the bones. tetracycline does yeah, you could have just been lost to history. I was reading an interesting paper from frontiers in microbiology in two thousand, ten by a Rostom on Minova called a brief history of the antibiotic Era Lessons Learned and challenges for the future, and Aminov points out this unique quality of tetracycline. tetracycline and notes just what I was basically just saying like how easy it would be for evidence of other uses of antibiotics in the ancient world to be lost to us, though he he also mentioned that there are other anecdotes from history about like cultural traditions that show Proto antibiotic technologies in these other examples would include red soils found in Jordan that are used for treating skin infections. It's been discovered that these soils contain some antibiotic producing organisms. I'd guess they're probably also some major risks in applying soil to wounds, and then also plants used in traditional Chinese medicine that actually do have some antimicrobial properties. Yeah, because one thing we have to remember is like the Modern Anti. Effort is ultimately based in going out into the natural world in finding these weapons that already exist. Yeah, and then reusing them in adapting them of for Human Madison and you know this is essentially what is going on in traditional medicines as well, and it also means that are weapons out there that either have not been discovered all especially in particularly vibrant ecosystem, some of which of course of are threatened all the more reason to. US to not decimate say the rain forests or the deep ocean right? But then there are also things that may have been discovered to some degree in the past, but have been forgotten will yeah that that does seem possible, because despite all evidence of ancient sort of Proto antibiotic technologies, the worldwide rates of death from infectious disease in the periods, for which we have data right before the invention of modern antibiotics shows that humans generally did not have effective antimicrobials in that period, so maybe some of this knowledge was lost over time all right well on that note, we're GonNa take our first break, but when we come back, we're going to return to the mold research, the nineteenth century, and ultimately to our key inventor here Alexander Fleming. This episode is brought to you by IBM Today. The world looks pretty different, but already new problems are being met with new thinking. Researchers are using supercomputers to discover treatments faster retailers are turning to the cloud restock shelves more quickly. Teachers are working with ai to rethink the classroom. It's not everything, but it's a start. Let's put smart to work. See how IBM is helping IBM dot com slash cove nineteen this. This. Episode is brought to you by IBM Today the world looks pretty different, but already new problems are being met with new thinking. Researchers are using supercomputers to discover treatments faster. Retailers are turning to the cloud to restock shelves more quickly. Teachers are working with ai to rethink the classroom. It's not everything, but it's a start. Let's put smart to work. See how IBM is helping IBM, dot. com slash cove nineteen. We're back now. We'll get to Alexander Fleming in a minute with the discovery of penicillin, but Alexander. Fleming was not the first person to notice that there might be some anti microbial properties of certain fungi. That's right. There was there was work going on in this area of prior to Fleming Fleming was was You know picking up on some of it, and and really just overall. Just our understanding of a fungi in general was was advancing as we mentioned era, psychedelics episodes There was a time where we did not recognize fun guy as being separate from the realm of plants right before we realized that it was a kingdom, unto itself in the Kingdom that has a little more in common with the Animal Kingdom than it does with the plant kingdom. And little a lot of talented folks working in this area, but one of them. Might come as a prize to a lot of people and that's because her name was beatrix potter. The bunny rabbit, a bunny rabbits. Yes, okay off the Bunny Rabbit fame. It was kind of a curious coincidence, because I was reading about all this, and then just randomly on the stuff to blow your mind discussion module, which is the facebook group for people listening to the show to discuss episode, someone brought up the trix potter in regards to something to do with squirrels because there's a lot of squirrel. Squirrel content in the discussion module, and yeah, they brought a Beatrix Potter and Beatrix. Potter actually ties in to this episode a little bit, because in addition to being the author and illustrator of the you know the tale of Peter Rabbit and associated British animal tales. She was also a naturalist with a great deal of interest in astronomy, and most importantly of all my college. So she produced a lot of beautiful scientific watercolor. Illustrations of various fun guy in her neck of the British would. As part of her studies, and if you studied a lot of local molds as well and did illustrations of them. She's ultimately very interesting character. That was Unfortunately she lives in time in which the sexism of the day prevented her from reaching the heights of in the natural sciences that she would have been afforded later on, but in a lot of her work is also just being I think rediscovered and appreciated for the first time. you know in recent decades, but the yeah, the next. Next time someone busts out some the trix Potter A. Remember. This is not just a an individual who wrote some fanciful tales, and illustrated them like she was just she was out there, studying the natural world, and in Crete in in advancing our understanding of my college, she was sort of a looking into the hidden life of nature in multiple ways, yeah. I, see some sources that are asking the question. Okay was Beatrix Potter who she a true naturalist, a true natural scientists over she just to. An amateur, that was just very interested in these things, and it's kind of a couple of question. Ask when you consider the limitations. In the Victorian era for women but I think undoubtedly she she I would side with the fact that she was a natural scientist I, mean she? Or co-authored one paper. If I remember correctly so I'm I'm gonNA give her giver. Full credit was about fungi. It was a mushroom. In particular I, forget was one of those related to the Russillo Mushrooms, but I forget which species. But. Basically, she was you know she was kind of up against the the Patriarchy for the most part though. We'll. Is it time to turn to penicillin itself yes? Let's turn to this. The key discovery here and our inventor are discover Alexander Fleming. Okay So, who was Alexander Fleming? Fleming was born in eighteen, eighty. One died in nineteen, fifty five, and he was a Scottish biologist physician, microbiologist and pharmacologist. He was the son of a farmer, and he observed and studied a great deal of death from Sepsis in World War One. He observed that while antiseptics worked well at the surface, a deeper wounds, a sheltered bacteria from the effects of things like sulfur drugs right so if you have the kind of superficial wound, you could clean it off pretty good, and that might help protect you from from bacterial infection, but if you have a deep wound and say like dirty stuff, bits of soil and other you know just crud gets lodged deep in there. You might not be able to clean the wound out very well right and that's exactly the kind of stuff that's going to get lodged in there especially with your war wounds where there is a. Stab or or a deep cut or a bullet entering the body. We'll makes me think about The when we were reading about the idea of Stegosaurus, perhaps weapon I. I mean not consciously, but stegosaurus perhaps Having an adaptation to weaponize infection against its enemies by dragging its Dagga miser spikes through the Dung right exactly yeah, having dirty Bagga miser spikes, and then when it wax the T. rex in the crotch with the that gets infected later, and eliminates a Predator from the area and the the the the predators of the day would not have had access to antibiotics, certainly not or even that beer from the. We mentioned earlier so. Flip Fleming was devoted himself to research he Prior to penicillin. He discovered a lifetime naturally occurring enzyme and mucus in other parts of the body than inhibits bacteria, so he was already. You know in this area looking for for new new breakthroughs new discoveries. But then his biggest breakthrough, all is this discovery of penicillin, and it's truly one of the more amazing invention slash discovery moments from history, because while he was exactly the right person to make the discovery, and then deserves all the credit he was given. The key moment comes down really too pure luck, and we simply don't know if anyone else would have made the discovery if he had not been there to observe it, okay, so what happened with this discovery so around nineteen twenty seven, or so he had engaged himself in studying STAPHYLOCOCCI or Or staff, and he had stacks of Petri. DISHES DISH SPECIMENS IN HIS LAB, which I've seen described as being kind of an untidy lab, so imagine all these likes Petri dishes, full staff all over the place notes, and so forth, and so the key moment comes in September of one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty eight right right, so he has these staff petri dishes out, and then he leaves them for the weekend. Go on holiday with his family any when he comes back, he expects you just see how they've progressed. See how they've grown. But he finds that they haven't grown. In fact, they have died. Something has ravaged his specimens. Yeah, now it's this is one of those stories where it gets very narrative is so you do have to wonder if some details of it or embellish to and how the story may have changed over time, but this is the way the story has been passed down and and I think it seems to be largely basically true the way that I've seen. The story often told us that. He comes in. There's a blob of mold growing in one of the plates and all around the mold. There's this halo of nothingness where you normally what you would see is that if you got a plate for culturing bacteria, there would be these little dots and blobs on the on the plate. But instead there's this halo where there's no bacteria bacterial deadzone zone now, of course we know staphylococcus is is a bacterium group linked to all kinds of human disease and misery. staph infections right if this mold could kill staff that seems medically relevant. So what happened here well? He He. He realized that he was dealing with some sort of a fungi. So he luckily, there was an ecologist with a lab just below. Fleming on the floor below his lab. Man by the name of CJ La Touche and in fact it's also been suspected that the mold and question that killed. Fleming's staff might have drifted up from a Lotta Shays lab, adding an extra element of weird chance to this whole situation. Okay, so perhaps his samples were contaminated by stuff from the lab next door down a floor, right? That's one that's not. That's not a theory that's presented in every source does pop up fairly frequently so specifically. This mold was what would later be identified as a strain of penicillin, no Tottenham and it was obvious that it's secreted something that prevented staph bacteria from growing and so fleming followed up in studying the secretion. This mold juice says I've seen it called. He he found that it didn't only prevent the growth of staphylococcus. It worked against common bacteria like streptococcus or Meningococcus, and and the back also against the bacterium that causes diptheria interestingly while Fleming did see applications for penicillin and curing disease. He mentioned them briefly in the paper he published in Nineteen, twenty nine about this discovery about a the the antibacterial properties of Penicillin he primarily thought of this secretion of penicillin as a tool for bacteriologist to sort strains of bacteria, independent, sensitive versus non penicillin, sensitive species, and the that that could be useful in the lab. Yeah, so he sometimes criticised is is really not understanding completely what he had here not. Not Having the vision to see where it could go well. I don't think he completely understood, but he did indicate that this could possibly have uses in medicine right so fleming and his assistance, Stewart, crowder and Frederick. Ridley tried for years to turn this accidental discovery into a stable isolated compound that would be useful and this. This was a problem because like you've got this secretion from the mold molds making some juice. It's getting stuff wet with this this stuff that that that fights bacterial growth, but they couldn't isolate the compound that was causing the effect and stabilize it and make it make it generally useful so to quote from. Paper that I mentioned earlier quote for twelve years after his initial observation Alexander Fleming was trying to get chemists interested in resolving persisting problems with the purification and stability of the active substance and supplied the penicillin strain to anyone requesting it, but he really he could never cracked the nut ultimately, and he didn't finally make this discovery of the process for for stabilizing and isolating the compound, and by Nineteen Forty Aminov writes that Fleming finally abandoned quest, but fortunately it was right about that time that they capable team at purdue university, including the researchers Howard. Howard, Florey and Ernst, chain or Chine. They picked up on this research and they. They kicked off the research project that would eventually breakthrough on this and there are all these interesting story so of course this while World War. Two is going on right so research conditions are not ideal and They're all these stories about how they turn to their lab at Oxford into this giant incubation center, or sort of factory for mold like employed all these lab assistants who were these women who had been referred to in some sources as the penicillin girls. And they would work to T-. They would work to grow the penicillin in buckets and tubs, and basically every container that they could And eventually they did. They were able to isolate and stabilize this compound so to quote from an Article from the American Chemical Society. In nineteen forty fluorine that'd be Howard Florey carried out vital experiments, showing that penicillin could protect mice against infection from deadly. STREPTOCOCCI, then, on February, twelfth, Nineteen, forty, one, a forty three year old policeman Albert. Alexander became the first recipient of the Oxford Penicillin. He'd scratched the side of his mouth while pruning roses, and developed a life, threatening infection with huge abscesses, affecting his eyes face in lungs, penicillin was injected, and within days he made a remarkable recovery well, but unfortunately, despite this recovery which lasted for a few days, they ran out of the drug and. and Alexander eventually got worse again, and he died, and I was reading that they were so desperate to cure him that after Alexander urinated while on his antibiotic course, they would collect the urine and try to extract the penicillin. He excreted again so that they could be re administered to him. and I should mention also that the the process that the Oxford team relied on to extract purify the penicillin and the mold juice was led by another important biochemist guy named Norman Heatley, but this case of Albert Alexander shows an obvious early problem they. which was the problem of scale? They simply lacked the ability to make penicillin at the scale. It that would be needed to treat even one person let alone. The whole world the strain of mold that they were using didn't make enough of it, and this led to the search for other species of the same fungal genus penicillin, which would maybe they thought produced higher concentrations of the penicillin filtration, and I was reading an interesting article. Article by the University of Michigan Physician and Medical Historian Howard Markel that tells a really interesting story I'd never heard about this so the story goes like this. Apparently, one of the assistants at the Oxford lab showed up for work one day in nineteen, forty, one with a cantaloupe that she bought at the market, because it was covered in a weird looking golden mold, which is great because this would be the one case where somebody. Somebody is picking over the fresh produce produce to like find the moldy one but the mold on this cantaloupe turned out to be a strain of penicillin called concilium Chris, ogsm which Markle says naturally produced at least about two hundred times as much penicillin as the original strain that they've been studying and then later, markel writes the same strain was subjected to mutagenic processes in the lab, so like bombarding with x rays and stuff to. To produce a mutated strain that would make up two thousand times as much penicillin as the old school fleming mold so by nineteen forty one penicillin is on its way to becoming viable medicine all right on that note we're GonNa. Take a quick break when we come back. We're going to look at the impact of penicillin and we're GONNA. Look at it, you know and I think a fun way by considering really interesting. What if? 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What was possible like clearly there were there were other individuals in the world working on this someone would have cracked if Rontgen had not discovered rays in eighteen ninety whatever year it was, somebody else would have discovered them pretty soon right, but when it comes to penicillin potentially, it's a little more complicated than that. I I ran across a cool article on the topic titled What Filming had not discovered penicillin, and this was a published in the Saudi Journal of biological sciences by all Harvey at all. The authors admit that that certainly if Fleming had made the discovery, someone else might have in the years to follow. Probably you know in the early nineteen forties. They estimate so we could still well have have arrived in antibacterial age. However, they also explore the possibility that we might have simply not made the discovery at all, and it's an interesting argument, so I wonder I. WanNa read a quote from the paper here. Quote of course penicillin could have been discovered. The day after Fleming missed the opportunity, but in reality there was no parallel discovery. The took place as a result anyone taking an interest in penicillin during the nineteen thirties did so in the knowledge of Fleming's work. In particular, the seems no reason to believe that Florey and chain would have discovered penicillin since their work depended on Fleming's famous paper and their access to one of. Of his penicillin, producing cultures, so that's referring to the thing I mentioned about how how a Fleming in his assistance were just like sharing the penicillin strain out with everybody like hey, can you figure out what's going on with this? Can you isolate secretion or the compound in the secretion? Yeah, so think about there was there was so far as these researchers can determine you know other effort out there that would have. In struck paydirt in the absence of Fleming's research, the Oxford. Group wouldn't have been looking for it. Someone Walks Walkman. The father of modern and Botox sometimes called as we made several key discoveries later was also inspired by Fleming so. He has one of these cases where like he seems to be the epicenter. Not only him, but just then the the the the seemingly chance encounter in his lab that day that that we're suddenly, this halo appears in the Petri dish, and that gives birth to a to a whole class of other discoveries right because not all antibiotics are derived from penicillin penicillin, class of antibiotics become sort of like one sort of grandfather class, but then there are all these other classes that are discovered during this golden age of antibiotics that takes place over the next few decades. Just additional medical breakthroughs that would not have occurred without penicillin such as organ transplant. But then there's also the question like what would've what would have happened in the the wider world because again, penicillin comes online during the Second World War, and so that you can easily ask what would have happened if allied troops had not benefited from access to antibiotics at D Day I've never thought about that in fact I. before looking at this episode, I probably would not have known the answer to whether or not. They had accessed antibiotics well. Penicillin production was actually swiftly scaled up just to make sure that allied soldiers had access to it at d day. So, there is a legitimate question to be asked. Might the allies not have won the Second World War without penicillin? Factors consider there I. Don't think it's quite a Gotcha question, but it's it's worth thinking about. The authors argue that without flemming's discovery would have had to depend on the SOFA drugs. An imperfect alternative to a true antibiotics and these. These were described in the nineteen thirties and Fleming worked with him prior to his discovery. But without penicillin in play, the authors argue that sulphur drugs might have become the standard and even push the discovery of true. Antibiotics well beyond the nineteen sixties, and this is also true of the Axis powers had risen in victorious in World War Two because the access powers depended on sulphur drugs and their their key treatment Point out. Quote, despite the fact that the Germans and their allies where at a considerable disadvantage the drugs did a relatively good job at reducing battle casualties, so not to just completely cast, aside the effectiveness of soft drugs, but still they were not as effective as true antibiotics. It's weird to think about the political implications of specific medical technologies. Yeah, and then when you get down to the curious cases of individuals. Yeah, it also gets. Gets interesting where he touched on presidents who died that would have lived potentially if there had been penicillin around right, and so they point out that that soft drugs saved Churchill's life in nineteen, forty three, when he was suffering from pneumonia as well as FDR's life a, but there's also evidence by the way that actual penicillin may have saved Hitler's life following the stuff Enberg assassination attempt of July twentieth nineteen forty, four. This was the plot that tried to kill Hitler with a briefcase bomb. Right like where the some of the officers conspired against him, and they put briefcase bomb in the room with him, and it did explode, but he was protected by a heavy table that prevented it from killing him. He was obviously injured I think he had like nerve damage after. So be the idea here is that perhaps his injuries were treated by by penicillin. Yeah, that's it. At least an argument has been made that they had access to penicillin. I'm unclear on how they would have obtained it. You know through. Maybe there's a spy story. There I don't know. But the the idea being well, if he had if he had didn't have access to penicillin, then perhaps he would have died, and that arguably ended the war in a different manner forcing us to re. An entirely different postwar world. So again we're playing with with what ifs here and also we my understanding is. We don't know for sure that Hitler had access to penicillin following that assassination attempt, but there is the overall scenario of the allies having penicillin and having this ramped up penicillin production leading today. Yeah, that is really interesting. I. I'd never contemplated that before. now something that we do often have to think about, and we should probably acknowledge at the end here before we move on. Maybe this'll be something to come back in. Doing the future with A. New Invention episode is the idea of a possible end of the antibiotics I mean this is kind of scary thing to imagine like what if the antibiotics age is essentially a period in history that has a beginning in an end. Because as we you've. You've probably heard about this. Many disease, causing bacteria and other disease, causing microbes are overtime evolving antibiotic resistance are evolving to to be powerful enough to survive are antimicrobial drugs and I think specifically one thing that's exacerbating. This is overuse of antibiotics and people, not taking the entire course of antibiotics when they're given them. Yeah, because again to come back to the Zagged Moya Jubilee. War Scenario you know it is an ongoing battle, and the the forces evolve. To to better deal with the threats on each side and so. We're we're we're? We're seeing this occur. We're seeing the the overuse of antibiotics producing. Strains that are that are resistant, and it's reversing some of the therapeutic miracles of the last fifty years, and and underscores the importance of disease prevention in addition to treatment, and that means not not abandoning some of our other vital tools for human health like vaccination. We should come back and revisit vaccination. Maybe even various different vaccinations in the future. Yeah, another thing to keep in mind that. I don't think we mentioned earlier. was that the nine hundred forty nine hundred seventy s? Are are considered like the Golden, age of antibiotic, Research Yeah, and we haven't seen at least if you haven't seen any new classes of antibiotics emerged since that time period right now there have been new developments in antibiotics, but I think the way I've read. It is that they're generally modification. Houses of Antibiotics Sorta like we. We haven't. We haven't found anything radically new. Since then. 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Justin Gimelstob Aftermath; Clay Headlines So Far Kontas Improvement, Federers Return; Challenging Janko Tipsarevics Equal Prize Money Views

"Hi, I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina Navratilova. I'm massive Lander. I'm Sandra rinca am Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray. And you're listening to the tennis podcast. Join Catherine which I myself David law down in a pub basement a proper pub where I'm on my second beer. This could all go wrong. Folks. Katherine tells me this is a pub that is used for dungeons and dragons conferences. I mean, the official word for grouping of dungeons and dragons participants is. Since nine judgment tool. I mean, they like having a whale of time. We sat in the seats of people that gloried in the basement of this pope, I believe every cheese day. So they could descend on us any moment. Now. Dungeons and dragons, okay? The thing. Okay. It's I mean, it's beautiful club. It's a bit spitting sawdust. But you know, we're here we've got our biz Catherine looks offended by that description. We're his Wisconsin's local and we're here to talk about tennis folks, Catherine has got the tennis from Madrid on her phone live as we speak. We'll try not to give you to many live updates of things you are in other result for but we've got loads of that story about we've got all the the results from Barcelona last week Estoril not Boston last week Bustan two weeks ago, we had that Estoril last week Munich Rabat as well. And then Madrid this week proc sandwich on all in the build up to the French Open, of course, which is a few weeks away. We also want to cover off Yanko tips is interview that we haven't had chance to talk to Katherine about. We'll do that a little bit later. And first of all we're going to talk about the loose ends rarely the the aftermath of last week's podcast to do Justin Gimelstob, which I think we made our thoughts pretty clear about but a lot of happened since then because two days later. Just in Gimmel stood. Joe Justin Gimelstob did indeed stand down from his position on the board after much much anger from from us and encouragement for him to to not be in that position anymore, and well, many more people as well felt the same. And indeed he put out a long long statement in the end saying he was resigning from his position later on in that evening. He he was also he also stood down from his position at tennis channel led to believe that he would probably been pushed from both positions. How do you not opted to stand out? But ultimately the right decision. I would say a long long time ever Jew. But got there in the end he apparently had flown to Madrid. Because he said I wanted to look Novak Djokovic in the eye who's the head of the council and the two most important things. I wanted to say, we're I thank you and second to apologize. Chris Clarry article in the New York Times. We now have a situation where his position on the board is going to be elected and fifteen names have currently put themselves forward to be on the limited. We list for the play accounts for the player board and will be chosen and those people putting themselves forward are people like Brad Gilbert, and Tim mail to we mentioned sweek Mark Knowles will Evans who was for longtime head of services, certainly when I joined the P back twenty years ago, and Danny Valvert do is another one who's the coach Griego Dimitrova formerly part of team Murray. Elsewhere. He held sway. I mean, you can you can put them together as we know that he's having a tough old time with Greg because Greg does not many many matches. Yeah. We're gonna talk about Grigor Dimitrov over just in the most. Oh, seven six seven six yesterday. So that's the end of that jet Taylor Ritz. Yeah. Who's who's lost today to Novak Djokovic? But the aftermath is is interesting as well because Stanford Rinker then wrote a very long letter to the times newspaper in which he was incredibly critical of the state of governance within the men's game, the board side of things and really feels as though the players were put in an impossible position that they shouldn't have been in having Justin Gimelstob imposition after all that had gone before. Clearly, very disappointed that he wasn't removed from position when important decisions will be made particularly back, Chris commode. Most recently him not having his contract renewed at the end of the year subsequent to that. Roger Federer Novak Djokovic and today ref on the Dallas all being tuned into their press conferences federa- was asked about the situation. And he said, I think it's definitely the right move by just into step down. He needs to go back and figure things out. There's no doubt about that. The tornados to keep moving forward in these challenging times and important times right now, I'm not going to come. And he was asked. Why have you not come out and spoken before being asked today in Madrid? And it was put to him that Stanford Rinker had done that obviously on social media. And then in his letter to the times and federa said, I'm not going to come out on social media. And all of a sudden comments on stuff. And I was not an have not been impressed conferences, if I would have been event, you could have asked me, but I was at home. No. Been knocked on my door. Then I would have given my comment. So next time on breaks. Let's all get down. Rogers house invitation to the press to get run around his house does setting door stopping is alive. And well reminds me of a story Nigel Clark journalist who who still on the tennis circuit occasionally these days and was one of the regulars back in the macro years. They used to just wait with their ears pressed against the hotel doors of John McEnroe to see what they could here. So they managed to get up to the floor that he was staying. Those days, you know, video student treason, isn't it? So I'm not suggesting everybody should do that throw federal. However, he has basically said if you want to know what I think you'd better come in me. So come around my house. Novak djokovic. Then yesterday said it was the right decision on just inside. It's unfortunate because he's probably being the biggest asset plas- have had. He needs to go back and deal with that case find the right stead of mind before he tries to come back Djokovic then set on Chris commode. I think he has the right to be a candidate officially for another mandate. I don't know if he wants to do that or not. But why not we need as many quality candidates as possible? It will be an important process for us. And then today, I haven't got it down in front of me. But ref on the Dow was asked about the situation he was criticised in some quarters for not giving his opinion. We mentioned that last year last week rather on the show that he didn't want to tell the media he and he reiterated today. Look, I have my thoughts that the same as they were before. I wanted to say to them them to the players rather than in the media, which is an interesting one, isn't it because staggering? Done the absolute complete opposite. He has come out. And he has let everybody know exactly what he thinks. And he's actually being critical of those that haven't said anything he said that silence is complicity which is a damning thing to say. It's very very strong for a fellow player and a friend in federal case to say. I mean, look, you know, these guys who haven't said anything, so he's he's kind of pointing the finger at them among others. Yeah. I believe stunned the Rinker is right in the second stance. Saunas complicity, it's perhaps understandable complicity. These guys have a lot of skin in the game. He's an expression that I know. I'm Briggs hates with everybody in his body. They've got a lot to lease. They got a lot at stake. I, but I I I am I was moved by bring his letter aknowledging. So much of the bigger picture stuff about what this episode is indicative of in tennis. I think that's what we need to be looking at now seeing seizing opportunity for for a clean slate and not just. Viewing this as a temporary hiatus by just in KOMO show. Bitches Jovic language seemed to suggest I mean, he referenced a comeback from gimme shop too. The the upper levels of management of tennis sort of in a very part of the course, kind of it's a given way. Now, look, I am a huge believer rehabilitation. I think there were a. Fraction of a fraction of a fraction of percent of offenders and bad people in the world that can't be rehabilitated in the right circumstances. And were they circumstances to to arise for Justin Gimelstob? I wouldn't just slam the door in his face personally. But However, I see none of them at the moment. I see seven hundred and forty five words his statement, not one of the Missouri. He apologized to Novak Djokovic which I down from the players council. But he hasn't apologize. He hasn't expressed any kind of apology for what he's done for the culture that he's created for for perennial. His actions relating to that crime. I see only equivocation from him. Oh here in new Quba -cation for him from him in relation to that to that crime. So. An oval there needs to be an incredible sea change in the position of Justin Gimelstob for for tennis to consider welcoming him back and for the joke, which talk about it in that way. If given was alarming to me. Federa? I mean, I don't know what I was expecting from federal and the dollar wasn't expecting anything from a dollar after what we had last week of him. Just kind of shutting it down from federa is disappointing is disappointing. I think what riles me the most is when federal plays Dom about the power and influence that he has in this bore. I believe that federal adults gather have more power than any other entity all anything combined in that that into that Simon flew over to Chicago to do with federal last year at the labor Cup talking about various different things. In tennis. I think it was specifically relation to their form of if Davis Cup. But and federal said kind of I'm going to chat with doll. And we'll see where we place our chips. We'll see. You know, what we want to move to support? And there was really knowledgeable in there. The power that they have is unit. There was this sort of feeling I had this mental image of if federal in Adel riding in on the, you know, horses like Gandalf on shadow, FOX. They have an ex-. I mean individually they will extrordinary amount of power. But together, I believe, and I believe they are aware particularly federal that they have the power to affect immense change. In the culture. This bothered me that federal kind of play dumb about that. Do you not think it is fair enough for those plans to say, well, look I wanna do my talking face to face. I don't want to do it through the. Through the media. I don't want to tell you. I'd rather tell the people that can actually affect change directly rather than having a conversation through the media. Maybe. But did I neve- what he said suggests that? Yeah. Maybe I'll tell you. What I maybe. But how powerful was stuns statement and letter it was incredibly powerful. I think there are those that might also say, well, okay, you've been very loud and vocal about it. Go now campaign for the twenty twenty he might council and try and actually do something about it yourself, and then you'll be in the fire nine and he will night does this have pointed out as well that he he was on the player council. Six five six years ago, and Justin Gimelstob was imposition then too. So where does he stunned that I would answer that? Well, just in Galveston hadn't beaten somebody up at that point. That's that's one big significant difference. Ultimately, I I'm really happy that he stood up and said what he thinks because I think this is a conversation that needs to be had more generally. So that standards just have to get raised. You can't do things behind closed doors. I also think this particular case needed to be assessed for what it is. And that is unacceptable behavior, absolutely unacceptable. And I think that the the sadness for me is that whilst I understand why federa Jackovitch Dow wouldn't necessarily wanna go into stop putting people away in in public. None of them made a stand a proper stand in what they said to say this is not on. We cannot have somebody in power in this game who's behaving like that. We can't. It's it wasn't said Vasic possible said issues. Statement. And I think it's I think it's unfortunate that they didn't see fit to just make that very strong point that you cannot don't care how much you might do for for raising money for players you. We don't want to be represented by people who do things. T? Right. So that's where we are. That's where we all. Would that situation? What one other thing that no doubt did says well today was that he'd like to see some somebody Spanish speaker on the board who could more represent a lotta plans who Cotonou sunny might thoughts known as well. Maybe not America. It's it's the Americas. That board position say not all those than have made then in public the anyone that's public. This is finished bigger. I believe is done Verde, and they could be others and actually lifting. I think he would be a really interesting choice somebody that I've got a lot of time for that valve ado, and yeah, I could definitely see him being being affective in a different way. It's like I talked about the different types of leader last week. But we'll see we'll see what happens. She talked about some tennis still glass Intel in this pub in which dungeons and dragons get played and talked about I'll find out what that is later. So first of all fashioned fun. I think. Invokes compete is from that. It's well, we're on a road in a little pub, and it's lovely and I'm on my second bears. I'm struggling to read the script, and it'll here, but I can see the words Joe concert. Who's had a good run? She reached her first claycourt final in Rabat last week. And she very nearly one it she ended up facing Maria Sakari who who won her. I think it was her first title wasn't. It was the first title. And it was the first time ever that to Greek players have won tournaments in the same weeks. Hikari who's a heck of a player and seems like a really nice person to and Stephanus sit surpass winning Esterel, basically the same time. And do you know what it made me think it made me think? Oh, wouldn't it be great? If there were combined men's and women's tournament at which both of these t- could play together as a team could enjoy that. Because they've known one another since they were six years old this glorious relationship, and I thought oh, yeah, they played to get. Hopman cup. That was really good wasn't it. And then I go side 'cause that's being done away with Stefanos sits may not be able to play the because there's no other ranked Greek player that they plan to run the hot and Cup houseware in the Canada fits who knows. Big gaps in the calendar. Waiting to be filled. Yeah. So how'd you look at this though? The fact that Konta led six two four one in the final and Sakari ended up winning. That is a question when I watched much with some help this morning as well in Madrid her second round match. She did have an enormous amount of credit concert by the way for flying to write from bat to Madrid. And I think less than twenty four hours later in berry. Okay. The both labor extremely different conditions. Yeah. She Riskin straight-set. So I'm very impressed with the putting in professional performance against risk. Comes out couple of days later this morning to place, a main Halla, and the first you games, an absolute joy, the freedom with which she was we could see how lease her shoulders were and lease isn't usually a word in a surly descript to you associate with Joe condescending of late, you know, she can be a bundle of Zion. And and then she got into a winning position. I think she was four zero up in the first set, and she still she didn't capitulate or anything. She still continued to play play. Well, but you could see her turns up she just the freedom disappeared once she got into that winning position when she had something to lose. The last couple years, but she's fought through it and number of times in the last couple of weeks the Fed Cup and now in Rabat and oversee first-round here. But I mean Klay is a bit of a foreign surface for her. She's never come close to results like the she had last week in the past even when she was at a very best. So you would you would take from that that there's a lot of reason to be positive for. I've rule positives. Just specifically owes me about her losing from a commanding winning position. I think that that is a concern. But overall big positive, she certainly so much more comfortable meeting on clay her good concern car. Oh, wait. She's real she's got coathangers shoulders. Lift that trophy was amazing. It's like an exercise in muscle flexing. How good can raise Sakari bay. I felt like I need to ask somebody that knows more about technique than I. She seems to have it all to me. Maybe she doesn't have the sort of ease of stroke production that sort of really natural timing that some have. But that's not a prerequisite for getting. Ato near the top. In time for next week. We're going to text few people know Steph that tennis, and then we're gonna we're gonna let right Marisa cars potential right Munich was Munich was won by Christian Garin of chili emergency techs going round or tennis podcast reports at about. The need to learn gently a lot more about Christian Garin Muslim started by you. Very funny. Right. Matt do some research who who is this guy is this blame and he was the star twenty nine hundred. He had won only one eighty p main draw victory that was in twenty thirteen six years ago. He was running tab side, the two hundred top two hundred twelve months ago, he loves Klay all eighteen of his match wins. This season of been on clay, listen to these people at Christine Garin is beaten Alexander's Dennis Chiappa, valve, Phoenix, origin. Elliot's same Jeremy shoddy Diego Schwartzman public Cuevas. Who incidentally, did you see the trick shots? Did you see the shots? This guy came up with facial specialist in the second Marco checking outta and how may Muna he's been all of them on clay this year won the twenty thirteen run guys boys title beatings. Verve. And I mean, he baits very of last week who's who's who need got him in the. End and had much points, but Garin still managed to win. I mean, I just I think it's he's an he's a fascinating story proper claycourter properly. Caught a bit is not just somebody this picking off those that are not come no relatively comfortable on clay, like Chiappa valves. He's beating market checking out and Sasha's vary and a couple of other public Cuevas. I mean, you know, he's beating hardened clay quotas at their own game. Those are rights of passage tight victory. These guys aren't they? So yeah, I I mean, I've been on somewhat of a crush Christian Garin coups. But yeah, maybe I need to go on more of one world unto him anyway for winning in Munich, and that was his second clay-court title of the year beat Mattia Bertini in the final and Bertini was gone for about two titles in Budapest. So, you know, it's it's mightily impressive what he's done. Very incidently has also been speaking head of Madrid everything is coming together. Now, he says everything is starting to be more quiet, and I can now one hundred percent folks, summing tennis player and not a manager a lawyer and five different other things that takes time away which is kind of what we were lewd into last week. He did seem as he got too much going on in his world really since about Cincinnati beat winning that title in Estoril which on its own merits. I think just it's another one. Of those steps you have to take along the way to winning big and being top ten play. When you're in those terms. I remember feeling this when he was in that next-gen finals last year, he was the favorite to win it. I felt like he needed to go win it, and he did win it and here he's inustrial. He's the top seed he needs to win Terrell. He's gonna win it. I love the fact that he just keeps some backing up the big win against federal in in Australia, and he just comes out. Okay. He's got a couple of ropy weeks here now, but he's kept on grinding. And he's one of them another one. Yeah. I think you made the point very well. And I love to celebrations vote was really big for him. I think his whole family in the crowd. And he's not thinking he he's not getting teabag beats is he thinking this is little t fifty that. I'm not going to be playing next year. It really meant a lot to winning that title. And yeah, you should Egypt shows a lot of respect for the sport. Which is very welcome. Indeed, actually, even one or two people saying, oh, you know, his agent got into right? This post on Twitter with all of his thanks to everybody and everybody, but. I don't think he did. I think that was Stephanus sits the best thinking I want to thank everybody. For what I do for me. I mean, he's agent is managed other players in the past haven't done things like that. That's right. That's right, that smile a lot more phone assists person. It does Patricio pay to me. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was significant because it has been a bit tough REM since that breakthrough the Australian Piquet reach the funding Dubai, but. Then he had that tough swing in India MOS Miami. And he said like play too much Tennyson. We tools in Melbourne way. With Matt about how concerned we were about his shed Jill. And he said, I think it was awfully lost pretty early. Miami said I just need a break from tennis, which is a long to hear from a twenty year old twenty. But yeah, he's had hopefully the break you needs. And and. Yeah. He's an exciting prospect. I don't feel like I've seen enough in my life. I've Pablo Cuevas based on the clips that I saw in that final against sit surpass where he lines a smash and ends up hitting through the legs half-volley drunk shot instead for cleaner. I'm sure he was used to be this much of a trick. I think I think that loan he hit what most people I I know in Tennessee into think is the best shot ever image a couple years ago. It wasn't on the main cool trying to remember he was against it back to the net. Was it? It was a it was a I mean, I don't have to describe. It was a he. Yeah. He had his back to the shortly sort of played it behind him. I mean, it was also really just putting I mean, I'm sure it's the first thing that comes up when you put Cuevas into into each, but. Cuevas stricture Cuevas Madrid, whatever it is mind blowing it feels like ever since that moment. He's gone. This is my US p guys. I mean, great tennis player, but he fell into that Malet of sort of really solid. Undistinguished in the best. I mean, the best possible way, you know, solid. Clay, call guys do their thing on clay every year. And he's found a way to sort of put his head above the parapet. I've got a thing. When you've got somebody who hits the shot like that. I mean, I I've never even seen that show before I've never seen a a smash fake tanning into half-volley through the legs dropshot half. I mean that that doesn't exist. Fire. I've never even seen an so Brahma hitting that one. I've never seen Nick curious addition for the champions too. I mean, I just watched that I watched it over and over every time, it's burst out laughing. What are you doing? He can't he's David. I'm I'm playing for the benefit the tape in playing David the it was against various. Describe it. It's dropshot from his valve incomes Cuevas. Lob lifted by vice verve behind the back passing winner from Pablo Cuevas with a little index finger in the air, and that is absurd. Wow. It's the state's celebration. That makes is I mean. I mean, you can't hit that shot. There's been two hundred and fifty seven thousand views and these being lobbed he's rushing backwards. He said a panels the underhand behind his back, and he absolutely middle's for a clean winner. Just an inch over the net. Let's keep playing let the rest of the podcast. The fact is though that he just brings a smile to your face watching Disney, he is mystical and. I love I loved it. I loved it. And but in the end, it's best one straight-sets. That's the other good good thing from his perspective. He didn't get drawn into that. And end up losing which you could do he ended up winning the match incident on the subject of trek shots. Have you have you seen? The curious latest is a is an underhand fake and underarm serve fake. And then a normal serve. This against St. because I didn't like that performance yard in Washington. Watch that clip. I thought he was a bit of disrespectful to strafe but strip one right? Yes. True for choose. Why you come undone? You lose to somebody reminded me of it was Madrid. I think three years ago when curious gave me that Gedo many spat out the words Gita, Pella rotten. This side of curiouser date like the hairs, but still probably be rooting for status of an Australian that you are absolutely unequivocal about how good is Bharti. Rod body. Ten wins in a row. What a plan she's becoming. Yeah. I watched much last night again. I mean, I had a brief nap in the middle. But by and large I wash. Against Daniel Conan's. She described as one of the way this much as she'd ever played. And we always six one one six six one is busy and school. I'm back that up, but. I I mean, I didn't think of her as Klay cool, but that's slice that that backhands lie. She has really penetrates on the clay in a way that wasn't quite expecting a movement. So good now. Predicting should win the French Open. But I think I underestimated her bit on clay. She's just fantastic to watch. I think she could. I think she could she's gonna win a slam this year all too. Yeah. Three left which one said, that's my thing. I've said it asked party slam winter this year. Right now. How would that be tennis? Awesome. She's just so likable, right Sloan. Stevens is being touched by fend. Grenville who I think is is an excellent appointment. So I mean, I kinda got right. And did not ready because I said I saw but it's only about two months late interchangeable women. Well, no. But I said he was going to get big job is what I meant. I think he would take a non big jobs and Grenville took that really talented Chinese player who can't remember the name of the guy who the young junior champion remembers nine now. Yeah. But but but he didn't stay with him Quincy price. You let me get away with that little segue into one player statement being the player coach getting completely wrong. I've gently east yourself up. Best way to do it. Preferred it when you were just give me a good ten enough. Right. Cosmo ver. He's not here. Right. Prevention? Why are we why she I mean, let's thing. Look, here's the thing. Right, grandma. At does the agenda somehow coast movers name is is all night with an exclamation, Mark. I mean, she's got no right to be on restrain themselves by putting on page two showing. They I mean what she done. She illegal guest, Victoria, Cosmo's for this match favorite player who he predicted would win the Australian Open and lost to. Brutal to reach the quarter-finals bear in mine. I didn't know what she let light to last night. But everybody. Everybody's sending these coming out the woodwork. One victory ever call us whereas Navarro when everyone's known about his movie for the last eighteen months apparent. So she genuinely has been backing her for no apparent reason for the past four months. But actually, she is starting to do stuff and people were comparing it to really good plaza. So according to suddenly getting it's getting to right-handed, Patrick and bitter and shoes on our vantage with like. Muscles and stuff happening. So yeah. Keep an Victoria because my because we are we can't get away. And what else does he got on his list here and the Dow's go to stomach Burkey plays? You only seem next who is who beat her Champa valve. We were having a frequent text incomes Asians about that that it was feverish wasn't chats about push your visit Chiappa follow big ramp. Whether whether OSHA allier seem is jockey rich. Like, I said he was junk of which like you said he was more explicit than Jackovitch, and you said jock riches explosive, and I took issue with I think, which is brilliant, but not in an explosive way. I think Hoosier does have he's hardened in a way that Chiappa valve isn't he's able to be consistent. And he makes a better decision maker already. Then Chiappa valve you will say has that explosiveness, which I find just an extraordinary prospect Chiappa valve, I'm still on the shell of chain. I still want him to succeed. I am worried that the decision making chip is missing. And in the history of tennis. That's one of chips. That's hardest. Teach. I'm thinking of David king coaching assignment. I agree. And I hope I hope that is a what happens in be. What makes the difference? I think we need to get him early with that because the reprogramming more baggy build up the heart of the reprogramming is and he needs. It's it's the the shots election in decision making on the core is so deeply widened. The hard drive. I know he's still young and I desperately hope it happens. But I'm just times of wasting or coach you. The second making Ray Johnny cash is snuck in our believe in Egypt. Dennis sold on the train. He's got one phone the platform on the train still joining the train. Okay. You had to us. If you ask me now, he's having a better career. Without question was your team. Fiore's me. Now, we're not sure. All right. We'll come back to that. In about four years when the Groner Roger Federer who is imagine that four years time OGSM he's going to be twenty to tighten is that Roger Vetere who's about forty eight is making his return in Madrid practiced with Dan Evans in Switzerland. I was unavailable. So he went through he was asked about that in his specimens before everyone. Go into the Gimelstob stuff. I think it was pulled Neiman, that's voice identification. That's telling me it's Paul Newman from the independent asked that question. And I hope I mean, I guess in anticipation of sort of gushing stuff about about Dan Evans. Raping and fed. You've just said, oh, he was available. Well, he wanted to. Ticket right. That Roger Federer's said in his New York Times interview with Chris Clarry recently that he is taking a let's see what happens approach, and I must say that. It's gonna be interesting. It was let's see what happens. But it was also there was Trump esque sort of like, oh, sending beautiful happen. It was like it was careful you converse. Good. Is it going to another petition about real into that? Go. You know what I mean? Those is like maybe you don't know what I mean. I'm not making eye contact with the. It was like, let's see what happens could be something. Beautiful could be something if not doesn't matter, but really could be something beautiful. I mean, I think I think he's alleviating. I think he genuinely doesn't feel any pressure. But I think he's also thinking I could sneakily when the French Open. Do think he thinks that I do think he thinks Genoa doesn't matter. I mean, I've won twenty grand slams. What do I need this fall? I wasn't even gonna play clay clay again. But I'm here. So I'm going to go for it. And you lock deal with me. Tightly, and he's you know, he's been watching every single match play up until this point in. Now. He's been watching the dole not quite far in all cylinders. Djokovic the same and her friendship. French open. Why haven't we haven't seen him hit a ball on clay yet? Fan. I'll give me next week. I'll agree to that prediction next week. So young tip savage was a guest here with us on the tennis podcast a few weeks ago. He was good enough. Spend an hour and twenty minutes in my company on the phone. I've never done an interview quite like it. I find it. Absolutely fascinating. Didn't agree with a number of things. He said as as a set at the time, which is fine. You know, I I'm quite happy to hear him out. And then tech stock one person that hasn't had chance to come in and taught is you, Catherine? So what did you think into the? I mean, the he his captivating isn't he he's? I mean, his fluency in a second language, just he. What he was actually saying mind blowing up silly mind-blowing to to hold an audience captive in a second languages mazing. And he's insights into Djokovic found we'll interesting very worthy of been given a platform. That was what you yours is on the tennis screech out. You know, just for the interview what you wanted to know. And I just thought. Exactly as you put in in in your question. I think for like, we know nave joke of it. Tell us what he's like from somebody that that news. So I found that thing. I mean, his talk about his own career and mental health struggles with that captivating. I mean, a lot of what he had to say about his views on various other things in particular, gender inequality within sport, I found objectionable, am I think I just. I'm totally happy with him saying them, plenty of people express vs of that ilk and lawless eloquently the Yankee tips Irish did I just don't want them to sort of sit there on challenged. Not the didn't challenge me. Absolutely did. But. I think I think a lot of them. Stand up to scrutiny really an eye. He seems like an intelligent and thoughtful enough of a guy that he wouldn't mind these fees may challenge not that I mind whether he did not would mind, but you wanna give some examples. So that we know what you're referring to. Well, I mean the. He had two separate justifications for. Four unequal prize money. And when citing each one he said this is what it's about. So any about this point? He both cited the fact that women don't play best of three sets invested five and started talking about women's winters. Don't one eighty meters Wellman's we spent his run one hundred. And gave other examples in marathons, etc. Etc. But then you'll say said, it's not at all about of the nature of the sport. It's entirely about. He said I'm talking about income generation, it's entirely about income generation, which is that same old market forces argument, isn't it? He said. As an extension to that, the the most objectionable and laughable point he made is that we cannot control who and what is generating income in the sports. Now, if Cousy he can you just have to want to. And how. For one. I mean, there is an immense inequality and shed chilling in the sport. I mean, that's I mean, the inequality pervades the sport at every level experience it every day, but it's quite difficult to to win arguments against hardened inequality deniers, unless you got hard data, so shed Jelena's one area that it's very possible to generate hard data now. Monchique Monday Wimbledon second Monday of Wimbledon every year. It's unique in the tennis calendar in that you get all of the fourth round grand slam matches on men's and women's. So I played on one single day. There is no other day like it in the calendar. It's why we'll call it. Magic monday. It's why we is broadcast. David every year, sell it to our viewers in this news as the best tennis calendar. Now, other individuals will have preferences on other days. But that is generally what we accepted Embiid up to be. I've compiled of looked at the stats on shed jailing on the show courts the matches that are receiving the most eyeballs on them the most hype. And as a result, the most newspaper coverage, the next day, etc. Etc. Over the last decade one third of central much is on magic Monday. I've been women's and two-thirds have been men's not once is there been more than one women's much shuttled on center court on magic Monday on court one. It has been thirty eight percent women's to sixty two percent men's and if anyone says, oh, yeah. But that's the last decade. It's been getting better will last year on magic Monday. There was just one women's March on each of the top three show courts at Wimbledon last year. I mean, let's just incontrovertible that's incontrovertible data Wimbledon in defensive that. Because they have been asked about it. The last couple of years, I goes in quite soon Chrissy ever on this couple of years ago when it came up and along with other things prompted Wimbledon to have to give a statement on it, and they basically just shrugged and said market forces. Well, look, even if you accept the market forces argument, which. I find ludicrous. But even if you do it's the context, it's the nature with which that argument is tossed out people don't say a K liquid doing this because these are what market forces to whom we are. We are at the mercy. This is what they dictate. However, we would love it to be different. What can we do to make it not? So because this isn't right people to shrug into that market forces Yankee tips, which just says. I'm not talking about quality. I'm talking my income generation and shrug this. We cannot control who is generating income. It's it's privilege. It is absolutely privileged. This just this is the way things are and I'm not made today to change them. Because it suits me might not realize that that's where it's coming from. But to me that is where it's coming from. It's not right. The markets are sexist, and we do have the power to change that. And we should. And I firmly believe that it'd be better for man. It'd be better for men's tennis Equality's, great for everyone. It's it's not as the the argument that Simon Briggs made on our podcast last week about how adversarial the sport feels like it's become and the load of people that view the sports zero-sum game. And I think that applies to men's verses women this idea that there is a pie and any expert of the pie that the women want to get via recall ity is slow set of the pie that men's has rather than just, hey, how delicious could this guy with a bit of equality flavoring in it, which is how I say. I mean, I suppose the two things from from say. Use women as an example, one is that because it's best to five Bester three on that particular manic Monday day, you get two five-set matches Anna three-set match, which is kind of more fear money. I suppose my argument would be right. We'll have to each then. This is a misstatements never say, hey, we're aware of this. We are at the mercy of market forces. So we have to do it this, right? However, we are going to look about a look at how we can sort this out because it's not right because no will there's no will to sorta our because the market forces argument, just to be clear is the the idea is that more people want to watch for instance, Roger Federer than they do someone else. But I would say that he is very extreme example. And just just I'd look alternately. I do the same view, which is d one to do you want it to be different though? Because if you do actually you can you're part of the problem, if you don't shed Hewlett equally because women's tennis can't be on the same level in terms of appeal to the markets. If it doesn't get the stages often, and isn't a celebrated as much which it isn't. Which it absolutely is. I mean. I'm not I'm not to get into all of it because I'd like to do a special humanity focused on, and you know, I know. There are people that Choon into this focus don't just wanted to head Celtics going off at one about feminism inequality. But I mean, all the stats back up that. Unesco study in twenty eighteen found the only four percent of sports media content worldwide. This is all sports, not just tennis. I accept that. Things are better interns than other sports. That is no reason for complacency. Four percent, sports media content worldwide is dedicated to women's sport. Any twelve percent of sports news is presented by women. Those starting GD Murray's autobiography I read recently that could to women's sports research gone back in in twenty thirteen but it's government funded research. Only three percent of all sports journalists in the UK women. Listen five percent of all sports coverage is of women's vote and just half a percent of all sponsorship money across all sport goes to women's sport. You are tying women's hands behind their back and saying shrugging and saying, oh, you know, winning can Spain race it it's absurd. And and I find. Too often people focus on sort of the idea of individuals access. There are individuals sexists. They're everywhere. But then the problem, it's the world. And the fact that we live in patriarch in the fact that the market forces that we talk about all the time, they are inherently sexist. That's the problem. And this isn't the natural way of things. This isn't how things should or how we should want them to be. They can be dishing. This is just how things have ever been and they self perpetuating. If you go back twelve years when Wimbledon decided it's time for equal prize money, and they brought in equal prize money. They they did that because it was the right thing to do. Good for them. Venus Williams had see right to parliament to certainly part of that it was on its own. But they they got there, and I would take some hot in that from that. Yeah. I mean. It's it's. The patriarch is a distortion. It's a distortion of the markets. It's a distortion of society, and we should be seeking to correct it. And it will be better for everyone. I do understand. Why men get defensive about it? Because it's easy to see it as some game in an adversary thing that is not how I say. I I it's. I mean, I I kid dove it delve deep into the remnants of what I learned from my philosophy philosophy degree many years ago. And I didn't I didn't take an awful lot from it. But my favorite feminist quite is Gloria Steinem saying. The truth will set you free, but I will piss you off, and I feel like we're in a phase of the world and society where an awful lot of people pissed off and think men having an awfully bad time of it. But just ride out because it it will set you free in the end, I didn't used to be a feminist ten years ago. I was privileged as they come. I was I was cushioned in a world of not realizing how things will totally cocooned went to an all girls grammar school where everyone was completely aspirational than we were encouraged to do whatever we wanted to. There's no reason to. Think that anything would ever stand in our way that I had incredibly supportive parents. You gave me exactly the same opportunities that my brother was given. An I I mean, some of the things that I remember saying about equality feminism, I shudder at now, you know, within the last ten years. I absolutely shudder at them. And it's been a gradual. Awakening a gradual awakening experience an empirical evidence of how things are and that's privileged. That's privilege. I was privileged you privileged. Just open your eyes event. And don't just shrug off forces us the way the world is his. That might be the way the world is. But if it is then by gold, we need to change it. So listen to the Janka tips. A real big up. If you wanna hear the rest of. That was a section of it, Catherine as you can hit doesn't doesn't agree with them. But it's there to be listened to its long it's in detail. And he's fascinating to listen to whether you agree with him or not. And that's what is the show is all about we hope to produce more interviews of that can the future where we're back next week with another show to look back on Madrid to look ahead to Rome. We'll have hopefully grad Matt with us. And we'll be back with you again made a special tennis broadcasts. Michelle won the whole thing brought unisex Tenneco executive produced by tennis balls. Don't come and exactly and who's executive producer. It's not really the why he is our mascots. Yeah. Definitely on my biz. Now, we've actually.

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Men in Blazers 03/19/19

Men In Blazers

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Men in Blazers 03/19/19

"This is Rebecca Lowe will Rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio, and you on this thing to men in blazers on the NBC sports network. From the embassy row studios in the crap Hotta SoHo and from I mean, actually wrote the crackpot of my bedroom in West Hollywood, California where the magic happens of sometimes I'm avoiding McKay out here. The spring break they're gonna make too much noise by magic amid sleep immensely that never happens. I've such bad insomnia Roach. May Roach first of his name here to put you to sleep. Dave twin pair of the top of the port. We in all seriousness. We wanna send my love of everyone men in blazers love to all of our listeners in New Zealand place, it's near and dear to our hearts. Right. Dave. And a lot of family. There were men in blazes started one of our first television hits was taping a Premier League ground up for New Zealand. Couple of the reasons we still understand. It was amazing. Don't get it. But it was essentially really heavy on Chris would and Winston. Every week. And it was a real joy we tape it right after we take the men in blazes share, which is quite stressful. And it was just it was just J relief to enjoy ourselves in these in these heads, and it was one of the joyous. Parts of our week to engage with the bully and Kiwi football loving community. And like everyone else in the world. We've looked on with anguish and pain in the wake of the Christchurch shootings. Such we look at such an idyllic community into see it rocked. So senselessly the ultimate ultimate sign of the chaos and pain of our age. And we know we know there's other podcasts where the geopolitical ramifications, and the multi-layered the seismic multi ledge realities can be discussed, and in many ways, we also know that you come to be with us. Hey, many blazes to go away to get away from all the human this. We are all be suboptimal shelter from the storm. But did one. Unwelcome you'll of the top did GOP's today and all day. Right. Dave. And just say, let's never take anything for granted. Let savor every second. Let's make memories together while we can offers everyone down there and he's eland Minneapolis Roach. We'll talk Minneapolis in one second heads up. All Philis, Jeff OPE's a warning. But we also apologize. I personally to the good people of Nashville for the have it we 'cause this week. We're off to cash Ville for one right? They've smash Ville smash fail and they innocently asked for the right spot for hot chicken over Twitter. Which is it turns out is like trying to solve Middle East. Peace over Twitter heard the apprentice, we are Pepe fire where Bolton sewage hate fatty B's, we were reported advise, but above all was so excited to Nashville it I always wanted to get men in blazers hat show print post, and we're getting close up, but Minnesota David and Saint Paul Minneapolis and Sukhpal they're both the Minnesota rush. 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Real passionate about his love for man. United the childhood encounter with Roy Keane, which Scott into life and his analysis of the Josie Marino era at manual, which was fascinating you can catch that show the link on our website men in blazes dot com. We didn't curse him Raj. Rory McElroy Kenzo men in blazes once and wins the place. Tell me flee would should come on next Everton the win the bloody league hate Russia. Just to to me you had Jim furic also on many blazes who finished second. We had the one and two on the place. Had I been there with Jim furic might have won it yet. But he came on the next thing he did after Comey on us to be the captain of the losing Ryder cups. Good. We also have to take the pad. But may be Great Britain Europe, a saying when you did it for us again wrote you pulled it out the cast lies nowadays. Sometimes the magic takes a while to develop. Okay, Roach hack show today. It's a bizarre episode of men in blazes. We've barely ever been here before in which we trade places while I'm packing an emphatic place. Erica win forever to over Chelsea. And Pat you on the head Dave I can Pat you on the bolt head for one. From that far away we talked turtle head time for Liverpool as they escaped lowly Fulham Betty with a win to move top of the league. And we applaud the FA Cup scriptwriters not always our favorites. But they delivered this weekend Roach. Giving us some scintillating games an amazing saints to the football for toast. I want raise this. My first third burger the day to this season's Champions League. We have already been blessed with the Premier League title race for the ages. Now, we got Champions League where her for the remaining clubs English Premier League. It's been ten years ten long years since the Premier League loss made up half of the finalists that was in two thousand nine when three of them to the semi final. But it was also later it went on to win the competition. So there's no guarantees, but a combination of economic might all these squads peaking at the right time and the bit look in eating champions, the football right mentioned. Heated volume ball God's plus the Nash bring in the good vibes from his Bleacher report spaceship from which your bit. So plenty and Brooke coast back to Turner. It's just a magnificent moment to level game. And all the English teams rocking also bat with a vengeance. In European gab with messy and Reynold destroyed him on this Demi gods but fan blood fan a racist. Budweiser to you and all the risks to savor in the weeks to come. It's a real much madness buckle here, a certain springing step of certain lilt in your voice throats because EPA to Chelsea mill said Gad to Chelsea dominant, but profligate Chelsea I donate Donald. It'll just possible around the pitch left the door wide open for Everton who miraculously rose from the dead and plant them of the park in the second half. Raj your boy struck and forty nine minutes when Richarson feasted on some corner scraps before celebrating with a perfectly executed niece light. Bravo. The Brazilian was also hot of the second during a penalty from the absolutely woeful Marcus Alonzo in my actually, not be Marcus longtime. I'm pretty convinces somebody wearing a Mockus Lonzo suit kept us safe. Oh, be only for the Icelandic war to slot. Home. The rebound Evison going to win the game and take full points from the two games against sorry. Chelsea this season. L plays Erico can be a cruel mistress usually via Roach. But this time office was humiliating Roach been trying to learn how to play the lia- just so I can write ballads that will sang for generations. Where all the ballots where all the club DVD's in the club. Shop did this happen. Did it really happen? Or was it all some kind of dream because I don't know. I don't know never mind. Be gracious win. I don't know how to be a winner at told Dave this wasn't quite like when Stephen Smith appeared from nowhere because literally out of the mist Yukon spotted, and he demolished Chelsea oh by himself that was that was a slightly win. Do I remember the Steven Naismith hat trick face tattooed Doma Tate? He's the most remarkable thing. What borates Yoseri was out coached Raj out coached at halftime by? I forgot the name of your his name salad station. No. He's not Larry boys. You want us. Oh from Wolford. Harry, the hornet. Yeah. Harry the hole in it out. News. Larry curious. The remember the Harry the on it out coached Marizzio. Sorry at halftime roads at Harvey's. We don't know this for sure. We need to relive beat by beat to get association. Coached the worst coach in the history of football Oma. God let let's see how we got there. Because I still don't understand. Let's let's like Quincy all CSI and try and go forensic and what the hell happened. It's not clear to me. Everytime. He did something good. It could just be that your team Uttley incompletely imploded. We may know of one this game, you may have shambolic necessarily lost. I mean, we need to contact Evison season has been like a stock at started strong. And then tanked think of our season. It's like theranos. That's what we've been this season. We were so good. And then a broke brokers with his shoulder in December. I mean, just this is shocking in the last seventeen games only this film onto sad story. Excuses for primarily football teams have won fewer points and Everton we are in relegation form going into this. And that's what it looked like for the first forty five minutes where we had an Avangard tactical game plan which was to give Chelsea the ball and not attempt to. Tackle them. What so ever let the historical records show as you've already hinted Chelsea dominated the opening exchanges. It should have been five nila halftime. But that's if you have a Chelsea to who given possession of no one tackling them actually tried to cut through you and shoot the ball on target, which Chelsea don't do. Chelsea just like namby-pamby around the field passing it to each other in little circles little triangles little cool shapes. Then they get on the edge of the area, and they try and thread through impossible little passes. They never run be on the man. They no one's running with the ball. It's just it's so pointless. So so you telling me has hit the post on purpose? No. That was a deflation Igwe when he charged straight go he decided to slap the ball street against Jordan pig. Brave little tiny dinosaur Hans well, he did get through you could've scored so early and often it was only what she now. I I for me gene FA kept game where he Premier Li giant named Chelsea play tiny tiny obscure normally. League team evidence only difference being Everton with this curious known league team that ugly decided not to give whatsoever. I mean, I spend that first half howling at the television begging the Premier League scriptwriters to please, please get the inevitable. Ross Barkley won the strike out the way quickly at couldn't stand. Having a hangover me. It was like an Everton theme. Bandaid receptive wound new to rip off a ruse? I spent the first shouting at the TV as well. Because I hate the way Chelsea player. There's no joy in dominating a game. And not story. This absolutely no, joy employments domination. It's better than the only joy Everton fantastic, which is doing Ross Barkley. Did enjoy that my son who is hey, turn round to me. And he said that why do we only get joy from denying? The team's points Liverpool in that total race Chelsea and that four and hating on an eight year old army that and I said to him Everton fans truly hate Ross Barkley, and he said, the do you dad, and I had to say to him. I said to be candidates said shift up and watch the game. But afterward when I was breaking down. It was moral lesson time we've roge- I find it sad to be on this because yes Ross rundown. This contract left this on the cheap. But from a human perspective thing about Ross's. He joined club Aleph win some football club. There's a there's a room a long corridor. All the young club sides of the past forty years, and you can spot Ross pretty quickly. He was one of those enormous kids when everyone else was still yet to Hugh Hewitt's. He was out in the club from eleven on once they. True fees. He loved and he was a young talent boyhood talent to buses to Everton training every night and stuff, but it was a young talent unfulfilled. Ultimately, we're bleeding confidence dodgy decision making kind of modulated by Ronald Kumon, and he'd come through as a kid the club Panini. We had to go to painful reality for anyone when we when we Ross Barkley. I do believe which is doing a room frustration own self loathing, and our shattered dreams. That's what's all the. Too much for an eight year old to take in David. When he came off. I did like the heath. He went three sixty to the entire crowd who will just old booing him making the Whiteside at hand. It was excruciating in boulevard the broken dreams for Ross Barkley reality. But that came in the second half a half time, I need to let the record show again. If I was in the if we were in the courtroom, Dave, oh, it would be an exhibit for the jury. I would want to show them that if Chelsea school, maybe not funny, but if they had taken one or two of the chances in the first off would we have commended them on a dominant control performance? Gwyneth Paltrow sliding doors at all could have been so different time. Halftime we didn't have a sniff of what was to come. Did we when you went to get your Gimmel bet refill from your kit? Gina halftime Malbak. Eat. Didn't you didn't have anything to fear. Did you know? I was actually so frustrated at halftime that was one of the more frustrating football because they they took so much time to advance from the middle. Third of the pitch is the final third of the pitch. Just cannot take how long and how ponderous all of it is you don't like trending. You've never liked gently Hundley direct football rods. Anyway, it was very very hard to watch for me. But yeah, they were dormant to the they were pointlessly dominant in the first half and Everton. I guess the only solace. I took his Everton will so woeful. I really didn't see them doing anything. But Marco Silva, all hiring the whole in it not knowing quite who it was certainly made a difference in the second half. I tell him what it was because right from the off in the second half. It was a different Everton. Players. They shouldn't he knew they were football as they looked at each other and said, I'm going members of a team. And then they looked at each other against have. We have a purpose of going forward. Together. We have a common goal we've anew. That goal was the Chelsea end. And it was glorious Gomez the most still handsome man in the Premier League throbbing guilty proving tiny little burn on Twitter, his child leg straining. I don't know. What Marco Silva San? I don't know what he could have said, I don't know who would have listened to anything this point in the season that would've come mouth. My only conclusion David about the half team talks juuling. Halftime team Tokes was a win salary was hunting mobile reds and he compulsively forces place. Must have been the least angel that site genuinely the only rational conclusion, I have for what we what we I mean look Evanson pressed they did Klay Moore's team. They say committed both defensively without the ball. They played a lot better, and Chelsea then just stop panicking. They just they know team like historically, Chelsea we always used to say that the mentally toughest team in full or maybe I used to say that. But I certainly felt that Chelsea through all of those title-winning seasons two thousand and four minutes with the mentally toughest team in football. And this team are so mentally weak right now on the second the Everton got it up Chelsea just couldn't play football anymore. It was just ridiculous lens breakdown that getting up the discipline my own benefit, my pleasure, because I'm still not sure this happen any Jay dubb's to verify confirm verify allow me to revel for McCoy Warner Chelsea defended in an away that can only be described as. Evident ask yet and attended town with confidence stolen from. I do not know where Michael key. Rose up of what she's only about twelve thousand times since we can. Like, a dollar store Virgil Van Dyke and he headed the bull, right? You play them on his your cap up. There is it rebounded to not today. Move his little chicken head raw Jolla, filthy. Rick. To David this staunching. This is how dominant you've been you've been astride me like a colossus looking down on my carrying little caucus it ended. Everton's five games have scoreless football against Chelsea. I've waited four hundred ninety eight long long minute someone impersonal with the graviton to school proof kids. And those of you listening who are children. I apologize for saying the woods angel going to drop some more life on when you try kids when you try when you show the, you know, when you g vaguely give crap like evidence, I wouldn't say anything is possible, but you can occasionally make crap happen and for the record Chelsea. Yes. I mean wasn't an amendment whenever in school. Do you know how I felt whenever someone one nil up a love blow people over Twitter one majorly how I experience evident taking a lead in a big game. I mean, you know, that the few moments in sports are more excruciating. Right. David Chelsea con. Come back from a goal. They don't do that anymore ever. Some we do we do. I feel a mix also fund you'll probably relate to this many of you will probably relate to this a mix of intense joy knowing fair because now I've got something precious precious that can lose that's the dunk -ness of Everton taking a lead. And we have the history the knowledge that we've done that. We've lost the precious thing so many times. And you don't dare to hope because hope is not welcome hoop is a false friend forever. Football club papers last down far too often. And in many ways, given the choice. How bonkers this sounds prefer? When Everton go a goal down, very reassuring. It's comfort like a pig. The Phil's best wallowing in his own crap. But if they wouldn't they've on this day, you've said, I believe you this Chelsea they have more than the sprinkle avengers Astle in terms of their confidence in terms of balanced back ability spineless, and they don't have a coach anywhere near as talented as inventor, and by the way, Chelsea at the same time have some really good players. Most of them was sitting on the bench, but they have some certainly plays to reform a sitting on the bench. But honestly in the primarily this woman football off, the watching them demolished Dynamo Kiev mid week where you can play this of Sarah against these teams on European nights. And it's fine in the Premier League. You just can't do it. You just can't play this game series. Chelsea this conclusion this evidence Porsche Everton is someone said last week that they neutralize ruin innate self-sabotaging Everton. That's my only conclusion I can take this because everything kept coming and coming Joel a gravity truth. Feld in the area by Allante Gill fate stepped up to take the penalty bless him. You know, how sports pop up the penalty had the shot Gill fees was more with just think more misses than converted attempts, which is so evident. We still send them up key go and just try your best. It doesn't matter. If it goes in he hit it right at play manager Kappa only to stop home, the rebound easing the ball into that net. Sneakily Felicia Huffman getting kids into college. But if I could change one ru about football, it will be the the ball is dead. Once you miss a penalty shouldn't be allowed to tap in the rebound digress. The most evident penalty of all time stoop to conquer suddenly my pants musher soaked. In the glory of Budweiser, Chelsea they Vince Lombardi said, the real glorious being knocked to your knees. And then coming back that's real glory Surrey's Chelsea that he'll percent. It's still shocking to see it, Dave. They just roll over when the punch they count outcoached outhustled out. Played out schooled out defended out. Everything is just. Gay Quyen seems bull. The by the week, Syria. J recently called himself, quote, Igwe anes football father, which is actually the same relationship. Solid ice has. Fine. School regains Everton. You deserve to be primarily. Oh, absolutely. Especially when you have a chance to get within a point of Spurs. I mean that is should be prime motivation at this point in the season Sunday didn't care all of that gain against Spurs and Fulham those fine performances for what for what they now. Sit six in the Premier League point behind, you know, heated three behind awesome in fourth place. Prognosis david. Noses until they get rid of salary continued status primarily European pug etry pointless, pointless, uninspiring, listless, lymph football, Constand it. This was certainly evidence. Biggest win of the season on the awful thing. Chelsea it wasn't even in top three worst losses. It was just another bad loss the Chelsea this season. Sound like Evanston fan. I believe you will be able to new will be Chelsea manager sooner or later, they'll make the pain go away for evidence. First big boy win against big sixteen since January two thousand seventeen with my voice allowing you to me on the head from your distance. It's twenty five games. It's taken. This was the first four games against top six teams, including Manchester United parcel, very now. I'm like, I'm wearing my waffle house. T-shirts has waffle house Princess. I need to set context. Bring it on bring. Which is a scream with delusion. And is delusion I want you to know this changes nothing how feel about Marco silver, and his leadership Everton doesn't it'll the first half that to me is silver football. The second to me was Sarah ball in full effect evidence win because we were good Chelsea just plain old fat paraded. But that doesn't the mind the joy that took from victory right up rise up. Mighty everton. We are now in eleventh place, aka nothing matters more. If it did most importantly with Buchen, the forty points barrier, which means we're not going to be relegated, my big confusion post. Dave was emotional. Like normally after big game. I'm guaranteed to sit that playing as my sad soundtrack choice on Sunday. I didn't know what to do with myself with my hands. We're my legs my body in that epic moment of victory. It's been so long since I've loved and felt loved so I had to over Twitter asks for happy. Celebrate. Songs because I didn't know any and thank you to the hundreds of who recommended among my favorites at toilet toe writer who suggested LCD dunce yourself clean Trojan seven five one zero who may me listen to bottle of smoke by the Pogues, and I was better person for doing that producer Jay dubb's lights and the other winner just for the cheek at BU braced for a one who said usually late 'til listen to you'll never walk alone by Gerry. Oh, Fulham one Liverpool to your posse manage to escape the friendly confines of craving colors, but not without a real scale of -able started the scoring twenty six minute with low key Premier League player of the year Saudi Amani steering homemade Bobi Trump was pulled back in the second half. With the visit looking to shut the game down seven minutes of mayhem, ensued. It began with they could fossil at the back between virtual Van Dyke and Allison that allowed the Fulmer livable man and natural redhead Ryan Babel to tap home, the equaliser, but with a potential drool dangling like a guillotine over that title hopes livable found a way with some help from Fulham keeper Sergio Rico who Feldman I in the box. Opening the way Jimmy mills to convert from the spot livable leapfrog man, city returned to the top of the table, but it's often routine Russia despite during their loss three on the road Liverpool set for destination Fulham with a sense of Tim ISM and partially because of that champions, the one the. Infant by which was remarkable and partially because of the the well it was just full squad. This is a stylish into which one hundred fifty million dollars have been pumped into law, summa arguably, the money would have been more effectively deployed if been dumped into a garbage. Nuts because full of just sampack invented livable onto them and came when they're crossfield switches movement that cunning Fulham free much accepted their fate like a team that would tanking design Williamson, and it went pretty much how you would expect it to find team go finish by you else. Manet. Seventeen the season eleven goals. His last eleven games. No play a lower profile and a higher impact Mosala still livable's. Poster. Boy, Bobby familiar dominates the cover model for dental cleaning weekly still, but it's Manny. Who's been Liverpool's main mandatory centers whom straight right David the plays. Well, when he wants to move as a fantastic Pula Roach. These feels like everywhere, you feel like the commentators saying his name almost, you know, once every five names, and they say plays night saying money's name. I love what she played football. But livable, didn't they couldn't potbellied and in that second half Ryan session? Young came on start to stretch Liverpool gave him couple of nervy shot against the bowel movements, which should have woken Liverpool up, but will prevent them was it was it Fatih wasn't nerves. Was it exhaustion from the champions the one the mid week? Was it complacency was all the above Fulham played pretty well. I've watched a few games a season. And this was a good Fulham performance. It was committed. You know, look all of those London teams like like the big clubs coming to that grounds. It puts a little bit more atmosphere in the stands, you know, credit cottage is not an easy ground. Go and play football at the fans, really close. It's sort of strange atmosphere. Suddenly the weather was not ideal. L in England, quite windy this weekend. Livable seemed on syncopated for what reason they should be tense. They should be nervous trying to cling on win the pregnancy this season. And there was a moment of dog Ness Jimmy mills hat to the bull. Big edge. Oh, why hem miscommunicated with Allison behalf headed the ball towards him? And Ryan bell bed down. Nutmegged? Alison, I'm bubble bobble exit livable declared before the game that quote, Virgil Van Dyke. Does have a weakness and only I know it which made me laugh when I read it turns out, we was right? He knew the virgin terrible heading the ball back to his own. Red hat. He knows the weakest specific specific. Confusing richer read, I don't even know anymore. It was a moment of dunk -ness of I the kind of summon the numbness of a wage or after away your points drop of self sabotage title runs of recent post, which are women get into because we only had four hundred and twenty seconds before another storm. She Maidment chaos in the Fulham area. Go keep a Rico dropped. Let's see routine save. And then decided we'll make up for this drop lateen safe. But maybe yanking money back to give away a penalty. Slowly match-fixing Dave seemed to bit match-fixing. I can't believe it comes ages. Let's you say it was a weird cumulative couple of minutes in the key moment of decision making by an opponent. And who'd you want in a stressful moment, David stepping up to the penalty spot who do you? I mean, you want epic hero. You want a star? You want a real, man? You will you want? One of the greatest football is in history failing that you a droid with. No emotion. Good point. James Milner stepped up with his post barely looking raised. And then thrashed. The ball empowered Liverpool to escape with three points and stained streaky on these mo- and science tweeted us to say there isn't enough toilet paper in all the world to last from now until season's end I level fans. The. Battled their way to two points. Clear at the top of the table. They David, you know, you're gonna have to win some close games. You have to win some close games. And they've now played extra game up on city through the international break. They will bait. Top of the table tight race back on relief joy, mostly they relief slight worries about mo- seller. Seventh game a goal comes. Josie ask I wish he would score to become did. 'cause I can't stand a constant watching sad. It's like saying like campus stripped of their joy. The evil sorcery wants to destroy all happiness in the world ball title race for the ages rumbles on Wednesday twenty fourth of April circle at one day listeners. When city have to go to Old Trafford and behave as if it's in the skate Rupe that looms large large large. Okay. Rose talking large West Ham for Huddersfield three. What a game of football a frantically comeback in the final fifty minutes sees the arns hand pull how to fill the Los despite scoring three goals for the first time all season after Mont noble put the ahead from the spot early Huddersfield three goals three one lead. But thumping Angelo Bonna Hedda in the seventy fifth minute and two goals from L tree. Layup specialist jury dole. See the curious HAMAs go salt bay on the gaping wound that is Huddersfield. A him the silence two more goals and a game changing performance. He and Jimenez, they are making this the best Mexican Premier League season of all time for reels a low we'll say beating up on this field, especially at this point in them, a three one lead this point. It's like boy the line necrophilia isn't even when you lose. You just can't seem to find a way to not lose it. When you resolve balm to Newcastle to ninety four th minute ninety four minute road stunk from former cherry Matt Ritchie rescues a draw for the two on the south coast Balmer in twelve th place. Newcastle thirteenth both closing in on that magic forty point. Mark thunderous finish from former Bouma stole that Matt Ritchey at the death McGill Marin for resilient Newcastle. It continues to impress the sparkling performance. It was hey who famously and it really when he runs it is fairly it's joyful run. Full length to the fail to draw. The foul led to Newcastle's apron. He's a bolt of energy pace until joy amenities manage for refer- Benitez. He belongs early one less to this was my game of the weekend. Burnley broads Roach by the ten man. Fox's despite Harry Maguire being sent-off just four minutes into the game. He was this look on his face was so tragic less took the lead in the thirty minutes. A brilliant freekick from mom pelia messy, James Madison. The Clarence pulled one back the Dwight McNeil just five minutes later, but in the ninetieth minute still hung over from the championship season. This is a couple years ago. Let's the caps in west Morgan headed home. The widow what a finish the FOX on three of four since firing clo- Puel Burnley. Meanwhile, aronie two points clear, the drop on pursuers Cardiff have a game in hand. Well, done the broads Roach. Yes, they the Brendan Rodgers bounce continues as his charge. You showed the one quality e cares about more than any other. Character can only release that will stopping finger at that. You can't. We should we should kinda cut dive Julie Callahan. We just got three point die without Canada. Firmly. The latest team to be dragged into that relegation Merck. You look at that schedule and you see their fungal four games away to Chelsea I'm born again Everton, then at home to also among Chester city, and he stopped praying for Dave Fishwick minibus rental now to the FA Cup quarter-final Swansea to man city three after going down to nil in the first twenty nine minutes pet small remember to they are and laid siege. To the swamps goal. They started their comeback sixty nine minutes when Portugal's indie rock concert of Renaldo Bernardo Silva accidentally lashed one home less than ten minutes later after Cameron clubs Vickers was judged with fouled razz in the books. Pretty soft pedal to the substitute Sergio guero banked it off the post of the swamps keeper both Christopher north. And in and two minutes from time of offsides issue Aguayo petted home, the winner to keep cities quadruple hopes alive. Swamps fans will write feel devastatingly hot down by city. They are scary. Good road. Win the feel like it when they get in the mood. The scary good. You know, what you love football at the weekend. And so I did what just game. It was meant to be my game off the financial times. We can addition you love that you love that paper. It's the one girl moment when I read the culture section. It's just like me time. I don't have any meter, but pretended to me at even know what meantime is, but I thought I'm going to watch one I and just enjoy reading about the books, and the the everything that I love and lunch with the F T O but soaked in because this was one of the most stunning first-half I've ever seen the season. I mean, remember this is club in turmoil. Onesie playing city who. Previous FA Cup. Robber seven nil. Burnley, five nil. Newport, four one they just smashed. I mean defenestrate had really shelter seven nil. Scored sixty one goals in old comes in two thousand nineteen. There was just no indication anything different would happen. So this first half. It was a shocking four five obscene city labor. They'd won eighteen of nineteen, but they seem so complacent is dead way. No value mentioned just had the game of his life, and whether I real- furry forward dealth overconfident bring sound Khanna robots Matt grime smashes it pasta. But that second goal, Dave. That's sweeping movie. It was like Manchester City move but used against them was cicle five point one back slash hyphen yet Colo. Yes. Three point four where five players go full into the failed with one and two touch football. And dia cut love. Dia waited a stunning pass. For city reject selene. Open this body clip to when it flew in. I am a grown, man. I am a groom nuts. Fax? I know love you don't believe, but I'm not too proud to MIT at did piss him up. Just a little bit man city had just been manned citied. It was like tradeoff movies trading places. Face off big freaky, fry is the two teams just body swaps. Onesie become Monsita man city was Swansea. Two shots on goal. Two goals for the swans city a bully being bullied halftime. It was just surreal. There's a certain point which you're looking at thinking does this really matter does winning the quadruple really matter to pet? Does the ethic top really count? Now that they've won the cariballo. They're still in the Champions League than just looking like a win the Premier League. Like do. They really can't do they really have in them to win this game. And this is what's so amazing kiss? You could see just how much pet wanted this this quadrupled thing because. Each spent almost all the second half running up and down the touchline acting like a ballboy to make sure throw ins could be taken quickly. Sped up send that ball back into play. He was money. I mean sent on Kuna Esguerra, deployed the rows, heavy cavalry. And it was all done degree effect. Because Swansea wilted first banal silver, another stealth play the drag city back into the game. Then Cameron Carta Vickers. The company American big harshly a judge to rows down the replay show. He got the bull. And the only thing city should've gone was a cool. I knew ver- this game, which is disgusting for no, you're listening because Swazi for ready, but they're fake. Couple is is for some reason only Premier League stadia will be up. This season is a head scratching consistency that came back to haunt the plucky wells championship scrappers and double break Kuna guero proceeded to hit the post of his penalty. The ball bounce across the line. When in off the back side of the Harare. Swansea. Goalkeeper any other striker? And you think it was lucky that penalty hit the post and win of the diving goalkeeper. I bet you Dave. I bet you wear. It was the kind of play who practices in training, the computations and figured out how to get it. Get Joe hall back. Just so he can use his penalty. Rebound into the gold trading ever. Get cruel of swans, a Cuna Guerra the knife will again, eight minute winner famillies to fee of side. Our new Justice. Heartbreak for Swansea. Men city will not be denied though, they needed a dodgy penalty. Warden offside goal. Jeff O P. David report tweeted Swansea of proven. It's better to have never loved than to have loved the lost. Which is a good way to go to gutted for Swansea. Right. David very Swansea. This would have been huge to advance in the officers club. This had the share of moral the last couple of seasons America and the comments lots of them Janine walks on the verge of winning the battle. Oh of Endo only for storm troopers to turn the tide. Just rent them. The lost. All halo, two Pap who did say. I don't like to win games. When the decisions are wrong. All around Europe hit is not we deserve to win by fall. But to win in that way. Sorry. Another great ethic cups. I wants to many knighted one the black could Choi strike battery of row Jimenez and Diogo sorta set Mullah new alight and send wolves to their first FA Cup semi final. Twenty one years wrote United. Meanwhile, stop their first back to back defeats since OGSM took the helm. Yeah. You know, did they done the FA Cup? The hardware they dropped arsenal. And Chelsea on the way to Wolverhampton, but one wolves one aspirated teenage really into flourish against powerhouses, all credit Nuno spirits, Sante nother crate, stealth award. He could get for manager of the year outcoached really going to go in this one. You know, you did the United of old really old but this season poker? Lethargic the frontline blunt a lack of a creative force evident tempo sludge levels. The backbreaking goal have been ripped from the marina. Where Luke shore channeling the spirit the late. Great Phil Jones making at least three eras on one passage play and then fight or flight kicked in. And he did well Phil Jones a taught him which is just tumble over and watch. What we'll scored prostate on the floor chewing gross. But we'll deserve their stone. They divert trip to Wembley. They deserve it. And they've played some great football this season really impressed with what knows with that side. Yeah. They really deserve it impossible to resembles. I mean club won manager. I've said last week in a believe it after what genetic watching him we'll away when a goal is scored to celebrate with his entire coaching staff is symbolically powerful. That's what makes his club. So successful their collective belief in it comes right from him the fans of stood loyally but a clubs through so many dog times, and I'm really happy. They're going down, Wembley Cima. My moosh. Recent happy memories are suddenly been knocked out in the semi final and the final. But it's it's a joy a rhythm memory. They will save as they grow. But you know, heated we were celebrate tree of that starting imperious. Dave, it's triggered one hell of a hangover first adversity for social. But I think it's still most important to them how they finish the Champions League. Obviously in how they finished in the primarily epic Cup would have been nice. But it wouldn't have really made a difference. Ultimately, he has two losses on the run though shocked by Osler in the league. Now the FA Cup. You got the English papers flipping their narrative that back to it squad. His thin to mix much build that squad. They doubt the quality the play as matych a spent force, and it's gonna be very interesting. He met it. It was a Porsche performance since he arrived oaks. It's going to be interesting. The league Altima lease what's important wjm grubbing that top four place by all means necessary. How they rebound in the loss street of the toll run is going to be one of the stories of the season. What to Crystal Palace law? This is a bad weekend for me other than Rory plays the OEMs dream season rolls as they. A spot in the semi finals of the FA op Ed in michi- back Shuai traded goals winner came from substitute Andrey gray in the seventy nine th minute. This is the third time this season the Wolford of beaten palace. I'm sorry. Steve in the final two final Brighton defeated wool on penalties after a frantic ending. It was the seagull schooled in the and ninety fifth minute to leave things knotted at to your semi finals. What versus wolves man city versus Brian thing. City would be favorites. If they had to play all three of the other teams at the same time in other news in the championship. Congratulations to Sheffield and their friends Hume beans team under percent aides who won the hard fought top of the table Yorkshire. Darby clash fantastic game local rivals, legion eight. It was raucous. It was end to end and it was worth bay. Fine stripe by Chris Basham of manager. Chris wall said in typical no-nonsense Yorkshire style eastern. Well. To be match-winner because after twenty five minutes he was coming off as he was up. -solutely useless for these teams come up. They maybe well, maybe wearing wonderful the modules shouted in his news conference. It was a full on big Bullock's performance. Come to the family Sheffield United take the second automatic promotion place from Marcello bell. So Jack Harrison's leads by one point eight matches left Berlin. Okay. It's an international break weekend. And it looks like this begins Thursday when the essay host Ecuador in jam Landau at eight pm eastern timeliest Fiene to England begin euro twenty twenty qualifying this weekend as well host Czech Republic at three foot that was that Jordan, and it's referred to five PM eastern time on ESPN news Friday and then travelling to Montenegro for a game Monday at three forty five PM eastern time on ESPN plus the US back in action Tuesday at seven fifty five pm eastern time against she lay in Houston that game is on ESPN two. Oh, let's have a shoulder Yankee mice to see what the future holes. For g g force. Euphemize spelt with two jeez. My year Gillmeister says. The US they're going to continue their rebuild obe- kind of Balu the rado let the footballing equivalent of the fifty million songs that will lost my space should love. I'm sorry to all of you lost your songs too friendly games Ecuador Chile. Tim welcome returns to the squad. 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The Sedano Show (HR 2)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

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The Sedano Show (HR 2)

"So Donald show here on ESPN LA couple of tweets rolling in. You can tweet us at Sodano ESPN Cam brothers. One of them is about your days as a bartender. Andy says it's only different when you leave meet with someone new hashtag, you know, what I mean. Well, the bartender does have that advantage is my guest. So I'm not trying to out you or anything. No. I'll out myself. Yes. He does. He does have that advantage. Yeah. Yeah. I I would love to bartend one day. Just like, you know, even like just like a charity event or something. I've always wanted. It's not your actual job. If it's something that you're doing just for fun. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. It feels like a blast. We do it event with alcohol where I can bartend somebody anybody listening Tommy wherever you are wherever you are. Oh, yeah. I don't want to paint the whole thing. Like, it's terrible. I mean, it can be a lot of fun. You gotta remember that. I worked at that place for six and a half years. Yeah. That's what I bartend on Friday or tomorrow, actually, Reto you think they'll let me bartend. I think they would when you're you're George frigging Sodano, man. I mean, that'd be fun. Like, we just talked about early on purgatory you've been on like fifteen different television platforms and another one tomorrow, actually, the jump. If that's not gonna good enough to put you behind a bar. I don't know what is. Man. I'd love to do it. It's fun. It's can you lifted you think you can lift like three or four bottles at once. I could give it a shot. That was at my pinnacle. I could pick up five bottles. Wow. That's impressive. Yes. It takes practice and big hands. I we should put up a poll like the greatest single guy job, right? Like what else would be on their bartender? What else would be on single job? Bartenders definitely on that laws for motor club, promoters ANR. Like working an are in the music industry. Yeah. Like, you're. You're traveling all over the place, professional athlete, professional athlete. Yeah. Well, I mean cannibal job attainable jobs job. I I definitely think ANR would be good. What else is good for a single a young single guy? All right. So we're going to go bartender. Right. Bartender tender how about a flight a flight attendant club promoter club promoter flight attendant. Flight attendant meet a lot of oh deejay deejay. DJ JJ is a good one a DJ as guard tender club promoter DJ. What what what are we need one more one more that would be good single single guy? Young yank in a decent is the best single person job bartender club promoter DJ. About like door guy. Like bouncer. Like, I read Martin I read bartend because why we can just go with those three. How about sir is a great job? If you're just looking to make pocket -able money. Yeah. Once you're inside the club there. Oh, yeah. Like, they don't care about you. I think series something like either anarchy or music promoter. Like something something where you're working for a label. Like just be able to say you're in proximity of all these different music stores each lifeguard is a good one just. Yes life. We got. Yeah. Yeah. There you go show. We'll put it up at Sadako ESPN. You can vote right now. It's up ready to roll at Sadako ESPN. Thank you, Julio poss-. Who sent that out? Got some sad news to pass people's way. Peter Mayhew who is the actor who played Chewbacca. Yeah. Passed away at seventy four. Let sad is it. I mean, it's funny too because he played this icon, truly conic character. But nobody knows what he looks like like its name that I bet a lot of people will recognize, but they would have no idea what Peter Mayhew actually looks like Choo. Choo Bach is a beloved icon author. I mean, ju- Baca, right? Like, okay. So if you're thinking of like furry aliens like who's more conic, right? Like who who's on that list? Bacchus smoke south, man. And like right now is that even in the same Stratus. Right. I mean, and he's probably the only next person. AT had no firm e t was a beloved space creature. But he had no for right? He was hairless. Kirk Morrison is texting me let me see what he's texting in about trainer at equinox is all that's pretty good. Actually, we got you of from Marie Xerez. Don't forget law enforcement firefighter, military women love the danger in the uniform. But that, but that's not I don't think those jobs are worth it. Like, there's a better way to meet women than taken on those particular jobs. I'm going to do this. I'm going to delete this, and how many I just Twitter how many options is order allow, you know, poll followed, and that's it. Yeah. Then that's it. Yeah. So we'll just go a bartender club promoter. DJ? Those are pretty good, man. Those are really good. If you're looking for that lifestyle. Yeah. Well DJ's leading right now slightly over bartender. So you can vote at Sadako ESPN. But yeah, Peter Mayhew, man. Very sad. I'm a Star Wars person. I'm not like the person who dresses up, but I do love the movies. And the cool thing is my four year old. She started watching the movies with me recently, like the older ones they were on like TNT or something recently. And I was kind of just watching him, and she was super into the droids she was into RT two and C three PO. So she was watching with me. And those were I. Feel like a little more family friendly at least the original right Star Wars and new hope. I think they were more family friendly in the sense that they were easier to follow like as they've gone along the stories of become more complicated, like more complicated as more characters that you need to know. Like, you know, they're do running the marvel universe expansion, which means more for you to know. Yes. Star Wars simpler. Yeah. So so she's super into it. And then I showed her video of BB eight in the new ones and she wanted got her. She wanted to be bobblehead that we saw one day were at some store. So she likes the droid. So I'm starting to trying to get her into the nerd culture a little bit. You know, what I bombed loves about it, though, George? She loves that you love it. And she loves the roadways have that connection together. Like a guarantee. That's yeah. I just think it's kind of cool. But yeah, man, I'm super super bummed about tobacco sucks. But anyway, so rest in peace Chewbacca. We'll have more maybe trending when the. Yeah. Wendy story kind expands. And we find out what happened. So anyhow, so I've got a Laker conspiracy theory before I get I'll push the fall foul ball thing back one segment because it's just funny. But so I had this Laker conspiracy theory, and it's not anything again. It's just random speculation. I don't even remember I was talking to somebody. Maybe I was talking to Bergman last night. And and I was talking to him about or whoever it was I was talking to. I was just talking about kind of the Lakers power structure. Right. And my understanding is that look Rich Paul, oh, you know, what it was Jackie MacMullan and was in here yesterday. And I know she also was on the Bill Simmons podcast, and we were talking about just kind of how she found out that stuff about LeBron's team. Not being all that into Luke Walton. Remember that story, you know, obviously earlier in the season. So she. Was talking about how like you can Laker games. Like, you can randomly Rich Paul will come up to you and talk to you and just like maverick Carter or whatever. So like, she's right? And those guys have a presence there. Clutch sports. And my thing is this like I'm thinking like maybe part of why rob is there is because remember rich was trying to get Anthony Davis to the Lakers. Right. That didn't happen. We know, and he may not have total control over what happens with Anthony Davis now, but we do know and I'm connecting dots here. So follow me David Griffin. Did recently take the pelicans job. David Griffin was on this show. And he raved about Brandon Ingram specifically David Griffin also revealed that him in Rich Paul had conversations about Anthony Davis. Now, David Griffin has said he'd like to keep Anthony Davis because he has relations with rich Pauline Rich Paul understands how that he's good at his job, etc. Etc. But. What if some of this is just Rich Paul gets to be the conduit between Anthony Davis and David Griffin, and rob Pelinka and Rich Paul you. I know John likes the joke about shadow boss and shadow owner and shadow this JAT OGSM what if Chris Paul Chris Paul Rich Paul is the shadow GM of sorts is the show is like a conduit in all these situations. I mean to some degree as much as it would upset Laker fans because the idea of LeBron and his and his team running roughshod all over the Lakers seems unappealing doom. If that's the best way to get Anthony Davis that may be the acceptable cost of doing business because right now, I mean with all the uncertainty about Brandon Ingram health and Lonzo ball, never staying healthy, and Kyle Kuzma, certainly not taken the step forward that the organization had hoped. You know, the Lakers may not have the best trait package out there. I mean right now. Mean remains to be seen? How some of these other teams do in the playoffs that's going to determine some of that as well the way these dominos fall, but that relationship with David Griffin. You know, it certainly longer held than anything. I would think rob Pelinka has with David Griffin. Right. So that may be the wheel racer. So I don't think when I thought about it yesterday or last night after the show like I thought to myself, it's not that crazy of a conspiracy theory. You know, what if nothing else it makes him a very specific shadow GM like he might not be the overall shadow or shadow president. But when it comes to the Anthony Davis deal or bringing Anthony Davis onboard. He is the specific shadow president of that like like that's his department like he's the shadow president of the Anthony Davis department of the Lakers. Like that's where he specifically fits in. And his power would be outsized. Just something to think about again random speculation. Like, I'm not I've legitimately. I will tell you guys. When I think when I say, I've heard this or this is something I've heard in whispers like this is not that at all. This is just me thinking outside the box. Let me look that power. Vacuum has to go somewhere, George. I mean, and right now, nobody seems to believe that it just begins and ends with Pelinka. And it's a lot more fun to think about somebody behind the curtain pulling the strings as the shadow guy, like the shadow theories just more fun like I just enjoyed the shadow theory tip Carson. He doesn't lurk in the shadows. He's going to join us at four forty. We'll talk dodgers and talk some baseball with him. But coming up next. I do wanna get to how far you'll go for a foul ball plus the latest scuttle butt at USC. Not just the stuff we talked about with Todd mcshay. Andy candidates key hanging out sit down a show back and four minutes on ESPN LA so Donald show here on ESPN LA, and he came in its key hanging out. Thank you guys for tuning in today. Always appreciate you guys hanging out with us. Each and every day. Don't forget we will be at Torrey to- tomorrow in orange, right? We're the outlets art. So come by hang out. We'll be there right at six in the morning with the morning show. Keyshawn Elsie and Travis happy hour every hour starts at six AM than Mason. Ireland will be there. And then we'll be there show coming out. We'll be there from six AM till seven pm. So it'll be good time. I promise. So. And again, you guys have always done just an awesome job of just attending all the station events, regardless of the show. Whether it's this show or Mason in Ireland or the morning show. So we always appreciate you guys showing up and showing out the way you do. So hopefully that'll be the case again tomorrow. So here's our poll, Andy, and you can vote at Sadako ESPN of these options. What is the best single person job bartender club promoter DJ or beach lifeguard bringing up the rear right now club promoter at thirteen percent. Followed by beach lifeguard at eighteen percent. And now it's neck and neck between DJ and bartender. DJ? Thirty two percent bartender thirty six percents so feel free to vote at Sodano ESPN again that bartend in life at least for a while. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Now, let me ask you this. Have you ever really been someone who coveted chasing a foul ball at a baseball game? No, I I've never personally wanted one that badly. But that's just me. I there are a lot of people on it, isn't my thing either. Like, if it's coming my way, like, obviously, I'll try to catch it, you know, because I don't want it to break my face. But that's pretty much the deal. I'm not running it down for someone going on. There are people that actually pick their seats based on what they think is really gesture of get either getting a home run hit tumor foul balls. Like, yeah, I've read about that before like people who sort of look at the science of this and try to figure out where their best place is to be to get one of those balls. Okay. Interestingly enough now you saw what happened to the dude at the. Giant yesterday. Yes. So to foul balls went his way. I mean, it was pretty insane. Because he was in the outfield right or in that general region like not close to the field. And the first time he dropped what his French fries. Yes. Yeah. Now, then this rise, right? Was nachos. But I believe there might have been some fries too. I don't know. I saw the video. But I don't remember. There was a lot of stuff falling. But he caught that one. And then the second time around he had to pizza in his hand and the pizza fell. Now, this is where I felt terrible because I've been this person before where some clumsy ass spill stuff on you. So he spilled his pizza on this poor lady who allegedly was wearing white pants or something. So that and she was a good sport. But man, like, I how do you? Just got one already man. You know, what I'm saying like like, let someone and you almost fell and hurt himself on his first foul balls. The gateway drug George Wright born to once you get one you start you start getting a taste of what that foul ball. Is you want more more and more and more? When you said, by the way, George that you've been in that position before were you the spill or the spill, no this I've been spilled on like, I'll give you an example. So I did game one of the raptors who live in the first round Orlando, right where DJ Augustine hit a game winner. Right. And in that game. I want to say, right. I mean and maybe early in the fourth quarter. There was the way they see us the in some arenas, the sideline reporters seated at the scores stable and some seat at scores table right on the end, and there's people in their fancy seats next to me. Right. So they have waiters and waitresses bringing their food and booze and all that stuff. And this young man spilled a beer on my sleeve of my coat, and I was like you've gotta be kidding me. Right. Like, it's like, I'm normally not that guy. I was like man beer stinks. Like, this is a brand new. You know, like you're stuck at the whole game. Luckily, it was close to the end. So he was he was like mortified clearly, I just said look by just do me a favor. Can you grab me a bottle of water and a lot of towels, and I could just kind of wet it? You know, I've got probably a good eight to ten minutes of game time on the clock before. I gotta do this post game interview. I just kind of wipe it down some, and it'll take some of it off at least as my guess. So. Oh, he did that. And we did that. But yeah, that's me. I'm that guy. And then of course, as I'm doing the sideline hit it might still be on my Twitter. I think I may have posted back from month ago. Whatever it was then DJ Augustine got soaked. Now, this was my water. So they threw like whoa cups of water on him which got him. But that's fine. Like, I was actually. Okay. Because it was I could see it was water wasn't beer. But yeah, I'm that guy. I'm the guy that gets stuff spilled on him. I was at a restaurant that same night. And the it was like a family style Italian place guy was passing around different like the food. Right. He had the big plate of food. And he's kind of put it on. Everybody's played a little bit on everybody's play. And he spilled like risotto on me. Oh, my pants, and I'm like come on at least it's not like a red sauce item. Man. No worse. But it's got that's got oil on it. So it's like it's still, but I'm that guy. So I feel bad for the dam lady. Like, I know what she feels like just because the guy wanted to hog a second foul ball, that's greedy at that point. Mean you've got one I mean 'cause you any almost killed himself. He was fell backwards to. I mean, I sometimes get annoyed when people play this card, but you are a grown ass. Man. Right. You're a grown, man. And there are kids in there who are going to be very rightly excited at the prospect of getting one of those balls already got one act like you've been there before I mean, come on like two is just that's greedy, particularly when you take into account. You're an adult come on, man. Get it together. I'm going to put up a second bull. If if you're an adult is catching a foul ball, something really worthwhile for you at this stage in your life. And it's just a very simple. Yes, or no. And you can vote add Sodano ESPN coming up next week and a foul balls. Tim Cochin ESPN insider, we'll talk dodgers ruled him. We'll take a look at who. He thinks the dodgers stiffest competition will be in the National League. And beyond the great Tim Kirk joins us in three minutes. So data show here on ESPN LA kurkin set to join us here in just a second. We'll talk some baseball with him. Is he calling us guys? I'm calling him. Gotcha. Okay. But up just recorded one of these Morales inbetween blue commercials has his record these liners. And one of them's actually, very funny. One of them. He had me record was the Lakers have nine point four percent chance at a top four pick. Which is better odds than me admitting. I'm wrong about anything. It's pretty funny and somewhat accurate. Andy show here you want to update the poll you want me to update this for him. I don't hear Andy guys. You don't hear me? I now I do. Okay. So I think they took me out of programming when I was recording those promos. So anyway, the great Tim Kirk is now with this year, Tim coaching ESPN MLB insider, Tim, look man, you are the biggest baseball historian. I know how do you contextualized? What Cody Bellinger is doing at the moment. Well, it's pretty amazing. What he's doing given that clay baseball for one hundred fifty years, and nobody has got away with more homers or more RBI than Cody balance, you when you look at the high batting average ridiculous Opie as and everything that comes along with it and play to position or more if needed it's really impressive t- think that stance just a little bit more square that the play. I think as much as anything he's just on a great great work on his swing, and they told him you're not putting out anyway, they're not gonna sit against left. Handers is a World Series anymore. You're gonna play all the time and enough lose. It told me you come to the park every day knowing not gonna play. And if you're in the middle of the order that really helps a lot what is his ability Tim to make those adjustments that you were talking about before with his stance and swing and all that stuff say to you in terms of pegging, his potential and even more growth that he can have right? It's not easy because with all the information out there every pitcher now how to attack every hitter, they know every weakness they seen every video and for a hitter who has overmatched to begin with almost by definition against the pitching. We heat today for him to make you Jasmine's and say, all right. You guys have been kicking our butts here now, it's Archer now, at least it's my turn that just shows his aptitude is baseball, I q as athleticism all of that put together. It's just so impressive that he's made the proper adjusts. We'll keep up. But when you have Wayne, it's that youthful. I will take my chances with that any day to coach joining us year ESPN MLB insider, so how do you view kind of the way the dodgers have handled Kershaw here in his return? And what are you think of the results you're seeing? Well, he's been really good and they have handled this politically because then they like everyone in the game. Now understand that when you overwork a pitcher, it just doesn't have good results. Long-term? I mean, just look at great pitchers like Felix Hernandez, and maybe now Chris sale, and maybe Clayton Kershaw when you throw and now pitches or too many pitches or just enough over certain periods of time eventually that starts wear on you. It's a very unnatural most in throwing a baseball and the dodgers realize that if we overwork him now on not even going to allow him to go from power pitcher to really good pitcher at ninety if we overworking now, so they've rained it back in and it worked back in. So. And the results because he is such a great understanding of how to pitch that he can succeed and cry ninety instead of ninety six and that's a really hard thing to do at this stage kershaw's career with this particular team. How good does he need to be? You know, because there was a period where he was counted on at times to carry the team, right? He doesn't need carry the keen anymore, and maybe maybe that will help him and the team moving forward. I know all those playoff games that I've covered over the years. That was even when back ranking was there there was the sought that it Kershaw laws than the dads game win. And I never a good situation at the end. But the way that they score runs away. They hit the ball out of all time the way Walker. Bueller thrown and we'll continue to throw internet that you have to be the best pitcher. Have ever seen in order to get your team back to and win the World Series to be really good. And there's no reason that Kershaw can't be really good 'cause he's really good again after losing philosophy and getting hurt and everything did who's their ace right now. Well, Walker bueller as best stepmother teen. But he's got like the best. He's got some of the bad stuff in the entire league. So if I had to pick one guy completely healthy to pitch one game. I still probably take Kershaw given his experience and given everything else about him. But when it comes to stuff on that team Walker. Buehler has the best stuff. And if that makes you the eighth by definition that I'm okay with that to the point is you can have a veteran guy and a guy that young twins like that. And that's your twosome with pretty good groups behind you. I'll take that any day. Walker? Bueller is not gotten off to the start this season that I know that the team and hope for fans and hope for you does that go back to the adjustments that you were talking about when the league becomes more familiar with you. Or are you seeing something different? It's saved chestnuts. Look, just as I told you that everybody just to Cody Bellinger, everyone is adjusting to walk bueller. To one thing. That's not the change is that belied city that movement that exceptional stuff. But it just proves again. He's been have everything it takes to be great and baseball being credibly difficult sport that it is just doesn't allow you to great at all high. So it's going to be great for this year's over. I'm sure for the years done evil begin overpowering down the pitcher by and because that's stuff dictated, but he's just not there yet. And it takes a little time. And I know doubt it'll be great before this stuff. To cartoon ESPN Moby insider, one of the nicest people you'll ever meet joins us here on the Sodano show on ESPN LA, Tim, am I crazy to think the cardinals could be the team that could stand in the dodgers way. Historically, obviously they've had their number at times. How do you feel about the cardinals? Well today in Washington, and I can't even begin to tell you how did it feel. You get being around that team right now. Paul Goldschmidt has changed the offense with that big bat in the middle of the order just as important if not more important he's changed the dynamic of the infield defense which really eat exchange. Andrew Miller has given them a another stating power arm that bullpen go. Jordan Hicks throws a hundred and four miles an hour. I think they're as good as any team in the National League right now. But I started the season thinking, I think the dodgers the best team in the league. But there's no guarantees in that league. There's no guarantees the league. Yes. I think the cardinals could run with the dodgers. But I still think dodgers tantalize are the best team in the nationally. If it wasn't the cardinals is there are different team that you could see ending up the one that took the dodgers out. Well, I really liked the brewers but their bullpen without Corey Canaveral is not going to be the same this year. I still like the cubs a lot after terrible start. They have really bounced back and it's possible. One of those teams in the east really comes along. But I'm not sure that's going to happen. My guess is the best teams in the National League or the dodgers and one eighty two of those two teams three teams from central. It'll be fascinating watch the National League to see who wins. And then who wins both supporting in October two Kirk should before you go. I have random questions to ask you for poll questions. We put up today. I know you're always a good sport with this stuff of these options. What is the best single person job bartender club promoter DJ as in like a DJ at a bar or nights? Club or beach lifeguard. Well, I'm a terrible swimmer. I can only drink about two beer and then done. So I'm not going to be a bartender wh-. What were the other ones club promoter DJ or how about personal trainer? We'll throw another one in there too for you. One hundred and forty who passed. And as far club promoter DJ. I don't know anything about Buzek either. I don't know anything about anything Ashi. I want my like Tim inserted his own life as as opposed to choosing for everyone else. You could be the club promoted. You get KOMO you can promote the club of major league baseball. How about that? All right. I'm going to promote the dodgers for the ass. Those are the club's automotive. You're asking me to promote a club of like where they actually. Guide that. Coaching one more is catching a foul ball at a baseball game a worthwhile. Venture at this stage of your life as an adult. No, not more. They glove to a game since I was seven. I do not understand and I loved and the gate who on earth would put their hand up to try to get a lie drive. That's traveling eighty miles an hour, maybe harder. What it comes into the stand? I and the first one the hitting the dick to make sure I don't get hurt by foul ball. And if I don't catch it. I'm totally okay with it. Well, the funny thing is I I brought that up because I'm sure you saw the highlight of the guy. The dodgers giants game yesterday who tried caught one. But tried to catch a second one that was hit at them. And then almost fell backwards almost broke his head. And then drop the pizza on the lap of the poor lady was sitting next to him. Yeah. I been going to game as a professional for forty years. I've never caught a foul ball the only foul balls. I've ever picked up are ones that came into the press box. Stop. Rolling. And I picked them up the only ones that caught of the only ones I have any insurance in catching if I have a glove on it's different. But I'm not wearing a glove to a game. When I'm sixty two years old. There has to be rule of gets that'll startle a press box, by the way, I been there before back there. Yeah. No. Yeah. There is Tim cartoon ESPN M O B insider, and of course, club promoter now club promoter with this year on this auto show, Tim you're the best. Thank you so much always making time for us. Okay. Guys. See take care. I coming up next. What's trending, including some sad news from the world of the movies. And some good news. If you are an MBA, gambler, we'll tell you what that's all about coming up next. All right. So data show here on ESPN LA. Andy cabinets key hanging out with us. Your thanks to Tim kurkin for stopping by always fun to talk to him. He's up promoter. Jay's chop salute. Delight is. Isn't he like the nicest guy ever like I remember when you were talking before about how lebatardshow the best at bringing out the best in everyone. Yeah. Like kurkin? Who's obviously, he's a great writer. Great baseball guy. But like lebatardshow has really discovered the best ways to use him. Yes. Ways to use anybody. Yeah. Then pelt does a really good job. You watch the sports center at nice with with Scott van pelt and Tim Kirkman. He they have a great report. All that will the Baltimore accents. Yeah. Yeah. And curtains laugh is just fantastic. Yes. It makes you happy. Like you hear that laugh and you'll be happy. Yeah. It really is fun. Like, he's just such a nice nice, man. And like he's so self deprecating. It's it's just hilarious. Like, I'm a big fan of Tim Kirk the person, not only just the analysts. I actually quick story before we get into what's trending. I ran into him. I'm gonna say it was now a couple of years ago. I went I went to a Notre Dame game, and I stopped in Chicago. And it happened to be in two thousand sixteen during the World Series. And we happen to be staying at the same hotel just randomly. That's how it ended up working out. And I ran into him in the lobby and one I was traveling. You know when we went to the game. So I was with a bunch of my buddies because we had never gone to Notre Dame's we wanted to go to Notre Dame. And we were there that weekend. And one of my buddies is I I'm not even fooling like he is a monster. Baseball fan like baseball is his number one for and as these guys are walking by like in the lobby like the guy, and he's like man this Tim Kirk. I'm like do you wanna talk to him like, he's super nice. So I just brought him and he talked to my friend for like easily a good fifteen minutes surprise. And he didn't have to. He didn't have to any of that. You know, he could have just said, hey, nice to meet you and just kept going say, I've only met him in passing like, I don't know him. But he's one of those guys you will never hear bad worry about it like. At birth. Just an unbelievable, man. So anyway, thanks to tip for always stopping by making time for us here. And hope you guys appreciate when Tim comes on the show as well. Let's go fund just time to get to what's trending brought to us by friends at the dudes brewing company with five tasting rooms in southern California towards Santa Monica. Santa Clarita Huntington beach at Thousand Oaks into order beer from the source go to their website the dudes Brune dot com. First story. I gotta start here, man. Just because it's so sad. Peter Mayhew the actor who played tobacco and Star Wars has passed away at the age of seventy four as someone who literally grew up watching those Star Wars movies. They were made in the mid to late seventies around the time seventy seven was when the first one came out. Yeah. That was the euro was born. So I all I remember like some of the first movies. I remember watching. We're Star Wars when I was little because Star Wars is the first movie that I have any memory of seeing in a theater. I was five when it came out. And you know, it was it was FOX. So you had that Dunton don't. Right, right. I used to think every movie began with that. Right. I was just the way movies were introduced with douse song. Like you. So associated with this. So sad, man. We lose Peter. May you you lose Carrie Fisher, basically in the last year loss both. So it really it makes you feel. Here's the thing as someone like that's our age. It makes you feel your age a little bit, right? Like when those people that you grew up watching who looked young on the screen, right? Are now getting older and they're passing away. And now, I'm like come on Harrison Ford. Okay. Well, I mean, or Mark Hamill dyed hair. Harris look Harrison Ford is seem pretty indestructible man doing almost a plane graduate. The guy has managed to get through some literally life threatening situations on a few occasions. Yeah. Harrison Ford seems tough. I have by the way, still at my house, a Star Wars blanket, really that probably I I would guess. Got like in seventy eight or seventy nine because I was a Star Wars freak as a little kid. And I still have this thing I've saved it like my daughter sometimes like to sleep within like we were talking about before George like as you said, you were watching it the original with your with your daughter, like they get into the idea of latching onto things that mommy, and daddy like and my daughter recognizes that Star Wars was something I grew up with and like it it makes her want to understand more and like get into it. Just because they want to have that connection. Yeah. For sure man. So rest in peace. Peter Mayhew and rest in peace chewy and both are trending look the in Los Angeles. Peter Mayhew is trending. It's the number one trending thing in Los Angeles. The number two trending thing is truly the number three trending thing in Los Angeles is mister Mayhew. So like, he's the top three things that are trend any it's crazy too. Because he's an actor that's associated with this iconic character and. And all these people morning him. And I think genuinely morning him. Yeah. Would not have known him. If he walked by pass them. Honestly, they would not know what Notre you look. I wouldn't. I mean now I've seen the picture, but I wouldn't have. No, I wouldn't I wouldn't have either in wars have been in my life since I was like five now. All right. We move on to the NBA the Sixers and raptors about the tip off here. Joel Embiid is going to play tonight. He was probable, Mike, Scott is playing tonight. He's going to give it a go. He's one of the bench players for the Sixers who do you like in this series? And why Andy I like the raptors I just think they've looked like the best team in the east and in certain ways, I even think they've looked better than Milwaukee. Just because I think they're more potentially explosive and they've gotten more versatility and Colli Leonard the rest that they've allowed him this season. It's paid off man. Like, he's looking like Colli Leonard. Yeah. And I and I think he is the best player in this series. And I think Toronto has more. True depth like Philadelphia has more star power. But I think Toronto has more true depth. Correct. I would agree with all of that. And I think Hawaii at least through the first two rounds has been the best two way player in the NBA. He's been unbelievable. You know? I mean, the forty five points he put up the other night. Plus he he gets to he still will take on the toughest defensive assignment. Now, he doesn't do it the whole game anymore because he's got the luxury of having a guy like Pasquale Siaka who's going to be the most improved player in the league who scored twenty nine points in game one and twenty one in game two and man that kid is fantastic. I've got a chance to talk to him. He's great. But I it's it's crazy. I do think Toronto is a much bigger threat than people think because Siachen has emerged as the second best player on that team, which then slots Lowery as the third best player on the team. And let's not forget, Marcus soul to me is a huge x factor. They have been a completely different offensive team since he's been on that team. And it's tough because he scorned all that much, but he's just such a good passer. Yeah. That he creates opportunities for everybody. You can run an off. Offense threw him. Even though we do at the high post and a lot of it. And Danny green has been really good. All y'all everyb-. Everybody forgets about him. He's been really good. So here's a crazy day degreen stat before we move onto the warriors series. Trudell sent this to me because when I was doing that game. He sent me a like this item as a nugget for one of my sideline hits daily green. Do you know that he second in the NBA net writing behind Steph curry this season? I actually had heard that. That he's he's been terrific this year. I mean, like he's been really so good. Yeah. I mean, nobody nobody thinks about it. Because you know, he was part of the co ideal in the court by Koi has all the implications of what happens with this year is over shadowing everything with him becoming a raptor the role of dice that they did bring him in. But then Danny green was treated in a lot of ways like a throw in. He's been realize goodness. No doubt. No doubt next. We've got good news. If you are a warriors fan or someone wanting to bet the warriors, according to Nick free del ESPN NBA insider who covers the warriors a full practice for Steph curry after dislocating his finger. What was worse the Steph curry finger, which looked gross or the eyeballs of James harden? I mean, there's a part of me that's vote voting finger because I've dislocated a finger before. And it's really it's both nauseating the look at. But like. When when you're experiencing it, and you're seeing your finger like bent at that type of angle like I remember it happened to be playing high school football. Everyone around me was like men don't faint don't faint. Freaky seeing that. Yeah. It is like the red. Is you just sort of look, you know, like you've had a night out. But that hurts to man it does hurt. Yeah. But you're right. It looks worse with the finger. But I bet you harden was dealing with a lot worse. Pain to be honest with you. Oh, you know that you funny is when I dislocated my finger. It didn't hurt it. All right. Like it actually didn't hurt one bit even popping it back in didn't hurt. It's just creepy like it's just weird staring at your finger, basically bent backwards towards you like what the hell is going on. Yeah. It's gross next. We've got Dangelo Russell cited for marijuana possession at LaGuardia. You have the details on this Andy. What was he trying to get past the TSA? He was trying to get some marijuana past the TSA at LaGuardia. And he was using a fake Arizona ice tea can like it had like a false. Bottom live come on the low. I mean, look, I'm not judging the weed whatever I mean, like it's not legal over. You gotta have better a better way to get it around. I am totally judgmental about his planning George like his planning in this. Like, there is no worse way to do it. Then putting it inside a can that would normally have a liquid in it, and you're not allowed to be carrying that through TSA. Like forget the weed. Yeah. We can't have that can just by vape pen dude by vape pen or just check a bag, right? Like get some edibles check a bag put it underneath the plane. Yeah. Is it more of a knock on Kentucky for just not having good enough weed for the end he did because he was going back to Louisville where he grew up. Yeah. Maybe I mean, listen, if New York doesn't allow medical or recreational. I mean, certainly Kentucky doesn't probably gotta drive aways from Louisville to get to a Green Cross like if that's your deal down Louisville. Yeah. It ain't southern California anymore. But I mean when you're heading into free agency and the whole knock ya saucer player has been lack of maturity. Yeah. That's not a good sign. I mean, like just planet better, man. I know it sucks. It sucks for him. Because he did he had such a face. I actually think the Angelo's a he's a good enough kid. But this is the type of thing that makes you feel like, you know, he's not thinking things through in the way that you wanna give like twenty to twenty five million dollar potential cornerstone player. Yeah. For sure speaking of Kentucky, the Kentucky Derby favorite, Omaha beach is taken out just days before the. Race had a devastating accidents suffered from a medical condition that may take weeks to heal. So I never bet on horse racing. But I have a friend who lives in Kentucky lives in Lexington. He's a hotel GM, and he is a big horse racing guy at every year. He tells me what to bet on the Kentucky Derby, and I've made some money the last three years since I've asked him what to do every year, not always a big hit. But some, but at least a little money. So he was actually texting me today about this. And that's how I knew this up my radar. But yet the the I want to go to the Kentucky Derby one day, though. That's for sure do you remember that what was the name of that horse that in its final year ended up winning? I don't remember. He was Kentucky Derby or Preakness like it was his final race. And this horse had never won before. You're asking the wrong. Do I just thought maybe because because this guy? No, I only ask you about the triple crown as the Kentucky Derby, I tend to forget the other ones this. I remember there was like a big thing made. Out of this horse that like it was his last race and was trying to win one of those things. And I think it ended up finishing second. And I remember like my wife was pregnant at the time, and she had the total pregnancy emotional thing, you know, that can happen. You know, women when they get pregnant often during the pregnancy just your hormones are out of control, and you can get seriously emotional sheet. My wife does not care about horse racing in the slightest. She saw this race and sort of balling. She just started sobbing at this at this horse that she just wanted to win hits last race so badly and he came in second. I'm like, do you even know who the sources like no, I don't know where the horses, but he's trying hard. Unlike your seven and a half months pregnant the. Yeah, that's what is the hormones. Speaking of women, do you know, Shane lean Woodley, the actress. Yes. Yep. So Jaylen Woodley did a story with people with install magazine where she says dating is hard. Love is scary. But I love sex. Hey now, whether man. I've been there. It ain't easy being single. But the ladder. By the way, she just that quote end of itself that allow our get more sex. If nothing else you want to throw out there. You know, I'm not great with the whole dating thing. Not great on the whole love thing. Sex down with that. No question like that'll help. I that's what's trending brought to us by our friends at the dudes brewing company with five tasting rooms in southern California towards Santa Monica. Santa Clarita Huntington beach in Thousand Oaks sort of your from the source go to their website the dudes brew dot com. I coming up next the latest on the Lakers coaching search. We'll have that for you in just a moment. Saddam show ESPN.

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Ep 50: Operation Glowing Symphony

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Ep 50: Operation Glowing Symphony

"Area of Mozell since like two thousand B C it's right next to the Tigris river and it's grown to a population of cheese over a million and a half people Mozell that sounds like a good place to start the story Mozell is an ancient city in Iraq like we're talking people have lived there in the support for this episode comes from Home Advisor this is darkness diaries these are true stories from the dark side of the Internet I'm Jack reciter starting to see attacks in Belgium Australia Canada and when I say a tax I mean people were being killed by this group today the militant group Isis posted a series of in the US because since they took over mozell their number sword and their attacks rained on the world they took over the whole city of Mozell the whole city of a million people people began fleeing the city in huge droves hundreds of thousands of people left or were killed Mozell was now under control of Isis the Islamic state in extremist Group A group that the Dan for the Islamic state in Iraq and Syria says now it will simply be known as the Islamic State and declared all areas it's overtaken in we're learning what Isis was and they were joining the 'cause we started to see attacks in many other cities around the world an isis was taking responsibility for it we rests to take over the second largest city in Iraq and kill thousands of their enemies this is what put Isis on that this is why the common household name I'm live there an isis had their own police patrolling the city their own soldiers defending it their own leadership and everything this was a huge victory for the terrorist well once Isis took over Mozell and declared caliphate their popularity boomed tens of thousands of people around the world and army just raided the place isis infiltrated Moselle they shot it up list believes is made up of violent jihadist terrorists that same month isis declared a caliphate and mobile devices finding the right pros for home projects can be tough and it sparks a lot of questions like how do I find a pro who can help me or they're going to do good job will get a fair price set stuff on fire and they were targeting all Iraqi police and military and security in just a few days news check project Cost Guide and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download the free homeadvisor APP to start your next project today it's homeadvisor dot com ethic photos on twitter claiming a massacre of more than seventeen hundred Iraqi soldiers tonight the urgent manhunt right now after the city of Brussels is and Iraq to be a caliphate or Islamic state a significant move as far as I understand declaring caliphate means that they are establishing that the city we're home advisor can help from leaky faucets to major remodels homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds even helps you get a fair price you can read of Mozell is the Islamic state like it's sort of their own nation it's a place to go live and practice their beliefs anyone who's affiliated with Isis can capitol of Canada the Iraqi military simply don't have the ability to take back their own city and with isis growing in numbers all over the world some walk with multiple explosions at the airport and then in the subway at least thirty one killed more than two hundred injured two people are dead tonight in Ottawa Canadian soldiers ends of them which in fact we used on that first night when we started this operation Jeez Tomahawk missiles this is serious business and yes that navy ship was we're in a suspect after a shooting on Parliament Hill Canada's equivalent of Capitol Hill a violent morning that culminated shootout inside the ornate building where lawmakers a caucus bash that sounds so scary and that's not the streets of Iraq that's isis shooting up the parliament building in the ability for more terrorist attacks around the world and one of these attacks occurred in November of two thousand fifteen and Paris France thing had to be done so October two thousand fourteen the US military initiated Executive Order Operation Inherent Resolve launching these missiles right into Mozell raining down one attack after another taking out isis infrastructure some key leaders their troops but ten assault weapons targeted diners a string of restaurants fifteen people were killed the gunman raced away in a black car next of death metal played gunman rushed the whole and opened fire those who escaped the survivors Walker Bush Some of it is just information intelligence surveillance reconnaissance others or strikes and it depends on what the central commander desires it can be jam nine twenty pm the first indication of the horror being unleashed that night a suicide bomber exploding his best outside Francis national terror the same blackheart the crowded terrace sprayed with gunfire witnesses say it went on and on nineteen people died here called it a massacre a mass execution eighty nine people were killed in other attacks were springing up all over the world to operation inherent resolve ends of thousands of people formed Isis so wasn't easy to stop them with airstrikes alone isis continued to take over towns in Iraq and Syria and claimed response needed more help to battle these terrorists. Here's a clip from one of the captains on the carrier that was stationed in the Arabian Gulf which was launching missiles at Isis airstrikes understand more about who he is okay so in two thousand sixteen I was the mission commander for a combat mission team at USC phone calls were made Hello Jack Hayes how's it going good to hear from you thanks so much sorry in this one which makes this an extremely rare interview so are you ready for this okay so let's back up the commander here wasn't occur stadium there was a second detonation another suicide baugh both attackers that seems to be stopped before they could get in Five years so so I was in I jumped out of planes did the Halo Heyhoe Scuba dive all that stuff well right to do we're going to hear a hacking story from someone inside the US Cyber Command which is a very secret hacking organization within the US government he decided to join the Marine Forces Cyber Command but with the switch they knew they needed to give him some training they sent me to school for means of of some of Isis is networks and what they're doing it can be again intelligence gathering we are standing by with Tomahawk missiles tens and tens third attacker would blow himself up outside a nearby McDonald's around nine twenty five gunmen with Kalashnikovs. This guy's a beast I mean my understanding is at Marines training to be a killer it's a very aggressive branch of the military but force RECON amplifies that immensely they're the highest trained can only do so much and we're very very effective we're there to support but I think in the end it's going to be a ground fight they needed more help to stop these terrorists so cafe bomb was hit five people were killed at nine thirty six at La Belle achey sheared can't say our guest's name you'll understand leader but for now let's just call him the commander this is kind of a fan boy moment for myself to be Honest Cyberspace Operations and Quo Listen It at the Conduct Offensive Cyberspace Operations I once heard the US government has resumes Rolling Inherent Resolve which is the new name of the ice of some Anti Isis Coalition Movin we provide meaning missions off of aircraft carrier the George George her always a commander t started out as a regular recruit in the marines but quickly he knew he wanted more so I actually started I was a force recon marine right I in the Marines and in two thousand twelve he was deployed to Afghanistan in the sing in prevents a tough place and trying to neutralize the Taliban over there doing okay you're going to wonder how I got to send you because as you'll hear this is an extremely rare interview and I'll explain how I got all that at the end of this episode but I do want you to today we're going out on patrol it's funny but it's true and then you know I mean we always try to keep that kind of mindset especially in the Marines where the Marines are known to be more aggressive in that was not different in cyber our team was the first to do a lot of things it's your computer geek or your or your buff yeah us come in is believed to be the offensive team within the NSA or actually it came out of the NSA but now it's its own thing so yeah you got that in statement for this group Mark for cyber the mission statement is quote to Conduct Full Spectrum Cyberspace operations including conducting offensive loser cybersecurity stuff just basic security plus network plus C H and then they do they did put us through some more in the fall of twenty fourteen I was finishing up all my training and they had just started a team very sensitive locations and sites you'll be out of uniform and things like that but still at Fort Meade you're in uniform all time admitted to conducting cyberspace attacks but look at this it's right here in the mission statement of Mar for cyber and when I think about the mindset that the marines have and how technical training for Computer Network Exploitation Luke camps and cyber attack and defend and eventually you attend mission Commander Course for my role was I'm Kinda stuff I know people have some traditions when you're the first for your first cyber mission on the OPS floor don't make you wear a flak jackets I find it fun so this is how transformed from being a trained killer to capable hacker and he's on a new mission now it's about the enemy from behind the screen store the videos and pictures and then a bunch of skilled people to run everything so is this media was everything that involved the production of their media content I mean they have to magazines that are published in ten different languages and these magazines are excellent quality to they're very well done high quality pictures from the front lines an ex they're so competitive and gung-ho and battle hungry I just can't imagine what kind of hackers would come out of this everybody says overshooting cyber or a helmet to look goofy when you're sitting in front of the computer because it's your first op traditions still comes into play in some of the floors today on a daily basis on most and that was that was all isis media so since the US government was already using intelligence geared buff guy right like which one is it or is it both there's a lot of buff dudes in cyber to be honest but it's it's pretty funny I mean we we still do all of that between NSA and cyber com that was focused solely on isis media. Yes back to isis so isis sometimes it's called still produces a ton filming horrific things and editing them cleaning them up to maximize the impact to the viewer to run all this they must have a whole network to share content between the teams hello raids and other operations and after a few years of that he came back and spent a total of five years as an active force recon marine you get older things get harder yeah we're all in uniform it's sitting in front of a computer screen for screams just like movies everybody's in uniform working on things everything that was associated with that was what was under the umbrella of Isis Media and they had a lot of people I mean we were talking early designed they also have a ton of social media accounts post news stories and even act as recruitment tools for new members also have people producing high quality videos dedicated analysis project production targeting effort and that's where they pulled a few marines together after you civilian ear before that and then in twenty fourteen in the fall it was finally becoming so big that it was its own entity in warranted its own we're talking Cameron we're talking editors we're talking you know linguists for translating into every language across the world so that the and and started a a pretty crack knit team and then I took over the team at the end of the year in Twenty Fourteen Oh wow this very interesting there's an officer so at this point he's an officer for Mar four cyber that's short for Marine Forces cybercrime okay now let me read to you a paraphrase version of the mission perations to keep tabs on Isis. They felt that Isis media was big enough to create a team to just focus on this alone so isis media had been on the scene for about a year so there is still that you know military mindset of messing with people and and things like that I mean it's it's pretty funny I find it fourteen all the way through to summer of two thousand sixteen was analysis development building out the network could disseminate their message we had you have your own. It shops and finance guys I mean it was a large scale right from force recon marine to mar for cyber and now to the NSA and cyber command to gather as much information as he can on isis media nine others were critically injured the epicenter of the attack though would be the battle clung a concert venue as the band beagles or you look at a regional news office they have senior editors they have people that do translations they have a web guy that sets up the website magazines the videos that everyone saw come out the logos the attack claims all of the social media accounts that they had the websites who is behind isis media and where it was edited who's running the social media accounts what software they're running and I bet that goes so much deeper he didn't say and here already the NSA Cyber Command are tracking them heavily now can you imagine how much data they collected in this time I mean we're talking the say and Cyber Command here and dedicating a whole team to investigate this for two solid years by that time and with those resources I'm sure they must have had everyone's name variation and you could see that in like all the videos that came out they were Hollywood quality videos that were hitting CNN and ABC understanding how they operated what they did that was I mean it was over we spent a year and a half just understanding the target space and I mean I'm just guessing here but here's an attack I think they probably did I imagine if they hacked into the phone of one of these isis media people and then on that phone they so I says media became his primary focus all day every day him and his team were they're doing everything they could to understand who's behind this I bet they hacked into all these people to they had access to their phones and laptops and facilities everything together as much data as the could probably even their spouses and they have a guy that configures domain names guy that you know their it staff that keeps the sheriff the shared drives running keeps the email accounts up there chat services there's domains accounts all connected with lines and it was all we had a pretty good understanding I can just picture it now a big map living out a high fidelity network just to give you an idea of where we are in a time line this is still before ices invaded Mozell and declared a caliphate so that they can conduct their daily business and you have your field journalists and cameramen and all of those all of that stuff one was on and somehow captured all the traffic to that phone now somewhere in that traffic are the private chat messages to that phone and with these private keys the goal was to simply gather data basically spy on them and collect as much data as they could from this group and they did this for a long time so the way to stay in the fight is to cyber the marines give you a little wiggle room on where you can choose do you WanNa go so we were trying to map out the network so everything behind everything that made isis media tick the building that I'm sure you've seen pictures of so if they needed more help they could just walk down the hall and get another group of people who are specialized than something to help them out the private decryption keys for that phone this would be the key used to decrypt messages to that phone then imagine they hacked into the Wifi network that phone I'm guessing it's technically possible to decrypt those messages this would be a pretty complex hack but I bet it's something that US cyber command could do who in our abilities and then you know General Hawk came back and was like you know what do we do now like how how much bigger can we go what's the next step and then we said we can go global let's go global instead of those horrific videos and beheadings kidnappings of Westerners and the leadership congress and sexy what we were supposed to uncover defined so people places things everything minded analogy I give people is like if you look at CNN doc kind of was the final Straw to where before early December and before Christmas Secretary Carter said I want Gary Carter at the time we're getting set up with all of this going on and having it be all over the news so people were getting a little angry in leadership and icing on the cake was November you know you had the Paris attacks and which were the horrible terrorist attacks and to diminish their impact of an attack in the publicity side of things we already at a tactical level I felt like but options we have to do something big now up until November twenty fifteen it was all sit listen mindset or an appetite at the time for Hey let's do a strictly cyber operation to try and stop this media or tried bulletin bosses and friends too I bet they were infecting all these systems and bring their week deep into the Isis media network and then establishing persistence to maintain some plans to actually take down some of Isis media they were developing tactical cyber attacks to take out a website or take control of it or delete in entire server the chemo started to make sense things became crystal clear there were a few key nodes that if you were to disrupt or take out these key nodes in two thousand fifteen if you remember in the summer and early fall that's when Isis attacked started to really pick up and they started to have terrorist apparatus that's over there he was looking over his big map of Isis media looking over all the connections drawing a connection it's Iraq's second largest city on June tenth two thousand fourteen a new chapter in Muslim history was written a group of armed fighters basically from this system to that system to that network and this person making all these connections and he was looking at the map and all of a sudden it's with a plan to take out just part of a network in one country as sort of a test run to see how effective this would be made it so that we had some confidence in what we could do and and and enable other Connecticut operations for the guys on the ground help inform them to do certain things and the wasn't this was making sense this was the way to take out isis media attack these nodes and it all unravels that's when I had my like Aha moment when they wanted something done about it and we weren't really doing any ops to counter that that's at that time still because they had extensive uh there wasn't that appetite at higher levels to say oh we can we can do something that's purely cyber and have an impact on this one country or two countries scoble let's do everything after the break we'll hear how this mission went global stay with US Dak feel like there's very few people that know as much about isis media's me and a couple of guys on the team the commander felt like he had the skills and expertise to take out more of Isis media but the leadership wasn't sure if this was the right course of action they needed something else nothing my come crashing down this was a big discovery for the commander double checked his work and looked over it again and yet I mean we had a long target list it was I mean it was a large you think of like a large graph just pictures server a foothold in there because if you think about this this is all going on in the same building that the NSA headquarters in Fort Meade Maryland that big black boxes like my Pepsi Sylvia moment we've been staring at this data for a long time all of these lists knowledge of Isis media they started to think could we would it be possible for us to actually disrupt them instead of just spy on them so they started to divide wall linking everything together with photos of everyone and it probably looks like a map that the FBI will create when building a case on someone red strings connecting everything together us in the basement at NSA and starting to draw on the board circles with names and numbers and an information and then in February it kind of struck me that it was all connected and it was very centralized so I remember running downstairs to my boss's office was assigned to Marine Operations from Cyber Command and so we had to pick a instructed and legally allowed to do but now leadership is granting them the ability to disrupt degrade and destroy the target yes we were like gladiator gladys global and then you then the second word in the name of an operation is just whatever you want data but still that's all it is gathering data from the adversary but here here's where a big change takes place isis wicked a group of military trained hackers all coming together to make joint task force aries specifically to target Isis using cyber-attacks this is a big difference it's kind of like the difference between someone on the roof with a pair of binoculars versus someone on the warm to carry out a specific mission j just cyber specialists that focus in ofensive cyber operations against to be so you can do like I mean gladiator somethin- or global something and they would all be global XYZ global ABC the way that military operations are named is that every unit in a specific EO in a specific area gets a sign oof with a long barreled rifle and scope with orders to kill you see the difference they were never allowed to weaponize their hacks to destroy before you see up until this point all this team was doing was listening and watching and collecting yet the hacked into the enemy to listen and collect but that's all they were but first things first they need to come up with a name for this cyber operation so that is a funny story and I'm glad that I got to tell you that and two letters so the in those two letters have to be the first part of the word that starts their operation so G. L. I am Isis media while this task force was getting spun up the captains had to decide on what the mission would be no in my opinion this is where a major shift in taskforce had to be created to handle this first they decided to start creating joint task force aires or JT aries for short now jt areas was the first word to make the operation so G. L. so we sat down and a bunch of captains and try to come up with the most bad ass words that started with G. L. Nations took place you see we know that the military and the NSA collects data and listen for signals and decipher the messages yes sometimes they break into a computer to get that this was a big moment the leadership agreed that perhaps using hacking to take out isis media would be effective approach with the strategy now now they're getting permission to do this so I think this is about to get a little hairy is glowing seriously glowing that's so knock cool respite something that's you know more bad assets more like more hardcore but that was what higher told us and then the symphony part came from you and so we were coming up with all these cool names or things that we thought were cool and then it came down from higher that they were like the word in marine basic training when you're calling for fires when you have artillery and air support and mortars and machine guns all shooting at the amy they say that it's a it's a symphony of destruction because it's you know boom boom boom boom boom like in a movie when they play the soundtrack in all the stuffs blowing up so and he wrote it down and then sent the email so then it became glowing symphony and there was no turning back okay the symphony of destruction and we just say we're trying to have a symphony of destruction against the enemy here and take down all of the isis service domains emails whatever at the so in May of two thousand sixteen task order one six dash zero zero six three was signed by President Barack Obama an operation glowing symphony was ago time it's GonNa be great and then one captain who was the quirkiest one of the group was like well that's the name glowing symphony we were like that's so lame and it can't be that the mission commander for that specific team this is why I call him the commander because he's the mission commander for all this I was on a mission commander is a I know there was I know I know there was a lot to talk about but it was only like ten people know that Yeah I love it cyber com term and mission commander is the one who oversees a specific cyber opera mission for that for that day so it'd be the same as if a unit goes out on a patrol and walks around enemy territory and comes back the leader of that patrol is a cyber mission commander and that's what I was okay here we go time to get ready to fire some cyber bullets the commander just spent the last two years learning everything about isis media and his tom or Ogsm for short and GTS aries was tasked to execute operation going symphony with the first mission to take out isis media. I wasn't Jae Varies and I was more than ready to carry out this mission I e needed some troops he was able to look around in the NSA and cyber command different military branches to find the right candidates and then also he's trained on the tools and approved on the tools to use on target interesting not everyone on the team was a squad of soldiers infiltrating enemy territory and doing a patrol and objective and each squad has to be independent on their own being able to make decisions and yeah we've definitely handpicked him pick them so we assembled I think it was four or five separate teams think of each team like you had a guy who's an an operator and he's very skilled at setting up the infrastructure getting to target and getting chroma target hooved hit the delete button or the enter key only the operator was allowed to actually execute on objective but not only that this would be an expert on for the objective and execute on it so they had to start assembling these teams four people per team so we had an intel directory structures domain names domain admins and things like that hell underhill no the larger target network and have be able to provide the context to that guy just an operator a signals analyst and then we had a kind of like team leader so first let's look at what an operator does pewter knowing what exploits to us to get into things and how to move around and network once you get in this probably one of their best trained hackers on the team the person I would sit next to me ready to help and then we have another Intel analyst who is to the other side ten that Intel analysts understands the typical targeting charts so the face the phone number the friends the terrorist group the cells that the you know the homes that address all that stuff and who's memorized faces and names and friends names and locations because as you're working your way through this strange foreign network you're gonNA come across words understand what that was unless you had this person sitting right next to you explaining what you're looking at because they've spent the last six months memorizing all of this stuff and then the mission commander is the one making sure that it always going to on correctly and that they're going to accomplish the mission that they're tasked to do are not legally allowed to go to cyberspace and and that's how that's the team functions military trained hackers our troops soldiers all with the resources of the US military behind them I mean if they needed to the can use some pretty cutting edge hacking they coughed up those people in the task orders to come over amazing we've got quite the crack team of highly skilled hackers now I mean this is what dozens of tools for this or they can get help from some much smarter people if they need to linguists interpreters codebreakers developers or access to aerial photos but as they're getting the team together that was tension in the air as in any operation we had all the accesses that we needed it just don't make any sense things like server names network names and domain names and email addresses and website names stuff that when you got in there and saw it you wouldn't that everybody's following the rules and not you know stepping in places we shouldn't go or going in places that activist and here's where you have to go next and here's where this thing will be and if you go down this way then you're gonna find this next thing like crazy there's just some person sitting there who knows all this stuff pass so we were sitting there as hackers who all this access and it could go at any moment at any point in time right to see if anyone fits these criteria to recruit them so we reached out to the other units asked for these types of qualls the people that we knew that were there and then understands that larger picture that can help them when they're on target of navigating through this is another reunion valuable person to have on the other side of you this is someone right on the keyboard so fascinating this is kind of like a navigator of some kind somebody who knows the lay of the land so well and it's like okay here's where the next unity on it okay now get this isn't something the commander told me about but there was someone else also joining the fight can guess who greeting citizens or CIA or an essay or other military branches they weren't sure of this is something that cyber command should be doing since it hasn't done something like this in the work and from the people places and things and if they caught onto one part of it we might not be able to get back and you've made the operation less effective and maybe not even worth doing it all so every day that went by we were like hi of approvals come down before we can do it there was a lot of talk from higher ups there were debating on whether or not this job might be better suited for the FBI fine you will be treated like a virus and we are the cure remember we are anonymous we are Legion we do not forgive we do not forget affect us yes so as the isis attack started happening all over the world anonymous joined in on the fight you and they were doing things reporting thousands of Isis twitter accounts to give me the green light let's go let's go but nobody wanted us to fail because there was so much publicity within the and is executive signals analyst who understands the tools and the infrastructure but also understands the intricacies of the targets I was going to go away not only was time taking on all this but there was also a lot of approvals that they had to go through I mean after all it's the heard Isis we will hunt you take down your sites accounts e mails and expose you from now on no safe place for you on they started sending these teams and one team wasn't good enough they wanted like four or five or six of these teams so I started asking around at NSA US cyber command or other military branches entities. I mean how can you collect data on ISIS IF ISIS is down and when when a website that you're tracking for years goes down Peter and saying Hey ben these people twitter would and they would report facebook users that were Isis members and instagram all this stuff because the thing is one thing that anonymous is pretty we're getting accounts taken down like crazy some reports say that up to like ten thousand accounts were taken down because of the activism that anonymous was doing in this fight as well and world governments and corporations and facebook we are anonymous as most of you know by now we started a cyber war on Isis and just to remind you were ready to go forward and but we couldn't go forward because we were still deconfliction what the inner agencies and having very are you sure we can do this right there yeah are you sir we can do this I was like yes sir on you know we've got this in our sites and we're GonNa do something real soon just kind of like cool it and so while all these anonymous operations were going on approvals were starting to come through for Operation Going symphony things were starting to shape up so you could take the approach of what's you know slowly degraded the enemy through until they were go no longer that was the goal whole man this is getting so good and you might wonder why I'm so excited day catch onto what you're doing and then it's gone and they lock it down so we were nervous everyday that went by that it would go away go away as in they had confidence in our plan saying that you know we're GONNA go out the door we're GONNA make a right we're going to go for five miles we're gonNA make left that we're gonNA turn right on this street why is it down who knocked it down what's going on here and so you know commander in and say but I'm bet that he was watching this kind of stuff happening and trying to fit you're out who's taken this stuff down and I've heard stories from other people in intelligence who actually got frustrated with this and went into some of the hacker chat rooms and said WHO's yeah that is finding out who you are and dachshund you so they're able to root out who these isis people are online and report them and and I certainly don't like it when the NSA overreaches on what they're legally allowed to do so if anyone at the NSA is doing this kind of stuff it's naughty stop it that's what the plan was to do was go in and just decimate as much as we could in the shortest amount of time possible and then maintain engagement with the community to give a massive below to their operation to take down everything that we could as fast as we could so we had to tell them everything we were GonNa do and after we presented the senior operator myself you know they'd always turn to us in like put their hand on our shoulder and say awesome destruction and here's a moment where I get to see the full force of US Cyber Command unleashing a devastating blow to isis doesn't it get you about this because many of you think the NSA in the US cyber command are the bad guys they're setting up ways to constantly spy on innocent civilians and the horde zero days and ten different languages of publication for their magazine they had ten different websites at various various locations with new domain names the same time anonymous was actually taking down some of Isis websites to and walled this is cool in all it kind of threw a monkey wrench in some of the intelligence distrupted and take it down over time but you risk losing your access you risk not being able to continue the slow degrading because they hard in one go and then see what's left and then pick apart the little pieces that were left remnants that remain and we that's what are every day so they had domain names they had web servers that were static Ip's that that they were spinning up for each specific language accounts at those specific providers so they had servers domain names they had emails they had you know you could look at the coast any cyber attacks like this ever so now for the first time you to hear what operations are like inside their this is crazy so sorry busy is important to meet please don't try to ruin it but I'm GonNa put all that aside for this hour because in this case in this specific tell the vendors that there's bugs in the code or that they're trying to make encryption weaker or make back doors and things so they can defeat it all this does sound bad and scary global scale they didn't care where it was in the world they just wanted to be cheap fast and readily accessible in tons of telegram accounts so they have phones and they have email addresses to set up those accounts all across the board as they're buying servers you can assess that they have we'll see media would catch on us I mean yes they would catch onto we have varying levels of access throughout their of action lear doing by decimating isis media I can get behind this and I can't think of many times where hacking destroy someone's computers is a good idea they're gonNA learn every time something bad happens in hard in their network and the people the places and everything that they have so we saw with going symphony was an sorry commander continue what are we what are we looking here what's going on so what they did have from the public view in an open source intelligence you could see they had the team spent months gaining access to the network learning what was in there he couldn't go into detail about the techniques used but he didn't give include that it all starts with email taken down these websites and then having like chats with these hackers to like kind of not so much coordinate things but like just back off on this for a little bit while while while we take care of it we we know hermit and the government moves very slowly to do mission briefs up the chain to each of the higher officers before we went to go do it to make sure that you know getting more information and to move further into the network getting into an email account is golden you can pivot from the email account into the other and at the same time I'm excited to peek behind the curtain to see how US Cyber Command executes these missions and there's a little part of me that kind of likes to watch and if you had access to my email then you could see that and reset the password so yeah getting access to someone's email account can open the doors to tons of other things that person has access to you so 'cause I can't speak specific to us but if you look at the Look Cyber Operations Large Ninety I think this was if you have access to my email address you could go to another service I have like my web hosting and tell them I lost my password and they'll send to my email account with the password reset for exploit or something there was it was a whole suite of things that that gave us the understanding and the access network doing this time the learn about what's in Laura Count whatever that may be the email is the key that is the core piece to pivot through Whoa that makes sense yes of course I do too and I just feel so lucky to hear this firsthand from commander within US Cyber Com these people are extremely tight-lipped in fact they've never claimed responsibility for this was getting them access to a ton of stuff and once they got in they needed to establish persistence this is where they can stay in the network hidden unseen even if how they got in got fixed note on this protect your email access make it a high priority to secure it I give it a long complex password then able to factor authentication on it make it hard watched and this might be enabling root kit or opening a back door or leaving some program running that lets you connect back in later we had multiple access tres into the whole system so it wasn't there wasn't just there wasn't just one one piece of software a lot of hacks and whether it's an at just a bunch of teenage hackers yet they love getting into email accounts to poke around this is common for hackers and effective it's it's not a matter of if it's just went like I was amazed working there that any challenge that would come to the folks at NASA or any of the develop anyone to get in your email because if someone does get in they get access to almost everything to of operation going symphony was getting into their email accounts out the username the email the email address in the password that's that's that's where you can start you can pivot everywhere from that I've looked into it they had magazines that were posted at You know accounts of Free Fall Upland sites where they were push all this stuff out and the videos to download and things like that we counts email addresses bank accounts mobile accounts like just let's try to completely delete as much as possible yeah all of those I it was just a matter of time before they figured it out there was nothing that I saw them you know throw their hands up say it's impossible targets were on the docket it was lockout delete miss configure reroute that's associated to that email any thing that's tied to that email for password reset so you can pivot from that email address into aws account into the cloud drawing the lines together and then saying Sir it's all connected it's all here if we take this out it all goes away or these five things will fall apart it's a house of cards the way that you saw but they would find a way to answer your question forget where you wanted to go they assembled other people into teams and we're getting them ready the network and they spent time pairing the infrastructure with the exploits needed us and they had a lot of meetings on what the best course of action was to take it all out you make it on their list it on a webpage the source code on a Web page see the file sharing server that served up the content for that Web server and they had all of this laid out at an ex Donovan today at tons and tons of social media accounts that they were constantly pulling together it's always it's already been reported they had tons of telegram groups four or five of those teams because we had so many targets and they each got ten to fifteen targets right because we had to do the whole operation as quick as we could and because we didn't want the enemy to know once part of the network was being taken down or locked out and and they start to they kind of like shut us off from getting to the rest we had to do it all the same time before they could catch on so I'm GonNa assume targets are our servers social media in this isn't hacking humans podcast over ninety percent of cyber-attacks today start with email and it's not just spearfishing link it's access to that email please anything that you could do to stop the network from functioning will come up with who had which targets and then which ones it was it was planned out to a t. like down to the keystroke of this is the one that I'm talking to this is the one that I'm going rosters all of that up lights are dim let's like everyone is ready time for one last phone call to headquarters we were waiting on the sides with different you know what you would see in a sock like infrastructures up or down stoplight charts no world map in never imagined hackers also getting their scripts approved before and then practicing it as well that's really something Oh yeah we says enterprise or something like that it's got everybody's got to keyboards four screens chairs lined up TV's all across the walls and the front we would you had your plan to a t and we scripted it in a test environment to make sure that it worked all the way through window was going to be the timeframe and we wanted or at least I wanted everything executed within ten minutes and as quick as we can at least getting the first foothold and then I turned to all the teams on the floor and then I say let's go the plan is ready to people are ready after the break it's go time stay with us so they set up the window the rallied the troops letter for approval for final approval from headquarters over the phone and once they said you know cleared hot your chances of being caught and certain tools and software had to be custom built to get it just right so people were working really hard to get everything ready for this cyber and yet the people on the team would come in nights and weekends to conduct a lot of this preparation because there are certain things you want to do when nobody's around to reduce to automate some things to we automated as much as we could but then you still have to do some hands on stuff but we tested it we had developers and technical directors review before we went to go and do it we had an extensive amount of Hertzel's before anything was actually executed on the real target with this one in a going down the list and moving pivoting and working their way through so we planned that out in detail and rehearsed it in detail prior to the operation that was that was the next step that's amazing because when I was a network engineer I would get my script approved by other people before making a change name was it was all day everyday Ojeda's operation going symphony in case you're wondering it's the name of this operation all troops and they got everyone ready because this was the big day all the teams assembled in what they call the operations room it's a pretty big op floor is they call it so it looks it does look like a movie a lot of screens phasing down the you know command of the US their heads down and then they hit shift enter on the scripts and script started running started moving through strike the last thing they needed to do was pick a time window on when they can do this operation in the ten minute window was picked because that's new parts of the network moving through a cow swimming through servers moving through everything and executing according to plan the task unit immediately have to work running through the checklist exactly as practiced it over and over in training but this was not training this was live fire on the enemies infrastructure you could controllers and this would give them access to key infrastructure that they were also destroying raining down a symphony of cyber destruction we had a we knew they weren't going to be there so we had to we have profiled everything and known that this to large print out probably three feet five six feet tacked up on the wall and it had everything every target printed on it every time on the team would accomplish one of their objectives they'd run a little piece of paper up to the commander to let him know what's been done and these pieces of paper had little codes on them and so they bring right once you get domain you hit the domain controller you're good to go but we had to get the domain controller in ten minutes caffeine okay things were going great the teams were systematically destroying one thing after another within the isis media network were hitting targets all over the place deleting accounts everyone's got their practice on this primary focus right this is their one operation everyone was working on and focused on when you woke up to to bed at night the teams talking Click this go into that directory that see Jackpot were running their scripts and conducting their operations deleting virtual machines ticking over board everybody was donald in from all across the enterprise to listening because this was a big such a big event wiping hard drives destroying systems in any way they could rerouting traffic taking control of accounts locking out accounts and wrecking everything in their path as a paper that say like one Delta and then it would say like packers were browns and I would know what that meant you logging in from a different Ip you need to authenticate with security question and we're like Oh man we on this not going anywhere in one of the analysts who've been on the team me for three years stands like fifteen fifteen understand their secret question to all the counts that they've ever set up that's some pretty deep burrowing into someone's network or even their mind and and then I would write it up on the board and report it up on the on the radio to higher quotas because they retract everybody was tracking everything across the then one of the teams announced they have a problem operators on keyboard everybody's there we're moving hit a roadblock you know what's your pet me fifteen fifteen it's always fifteen fifteen this guy and we're like okay man tries fifteen fifteen the trips me out I mean this kind of highlights the power of would insane. US Cyber Command has right like they can infiltrate someone's life so much that the what's your pet name how are we going to figure out you know the disguise pets his patenting it was one of the core after that the task force continued to walk through their objectives hitting target after target taking things down and they had a lot of different types of targets an interesting one to me are the financial FBI we can't seize funds and then hold it but you just get locked out of your pay pal account and there's a thousand dollars in there are places that we were trying to go everybody's heart stopped we kinda got all done or and then we continue to move onto the target I mean certain analysts get to know these guys down to such detail that they can -ticipant what these guys are going to do before they actually do it in the technical in the technical round well discount Mike what no way it says pet's name it's got to be no spike or bomb or something like that and he's like a brief moment of happiness we stayed on and kept going and going and going and going we found more targets more more more domains more servers so we worked until you know we knew that they were coming back and we kind of stopped and then related seclude yourself some money was lost during all of this and at this point they have successfully accomplished all of their primary objectives for this mission we did it in about ten minutes that we got all of our key two four hours going to the rest of the target list but at that point in time we could take our time and and we knew that they couldn't take it back from US nodes and targets down in the first ten minutes and we had control and we knew at that point that they couldn't stop us and we stayed on for the next so immediately the I team started trying to stand up their servers again and rebuild their websites and relaunch their email applications because they couldn't even get to all over again or trying to restore from backups and so while this was effective right away they did see isis coming back online slowly trying to restore it I mean that's what the it team is therefore right they're not just like fired immediately they're like called in to come help right now let's get everything stood back up more parts of the network more files everything that we could we could find and it it was within the approved plan that that we had approved or like are left and right lateral they had yeah there were there was a lot of leading going on so if they were in there they're gone but yeah if you could delete the private keys for longer and you start missing deadlines you know your brand isn't as good nobody nobody likes a new Isis media had some crypto currencies but with this you can just delete the private keys to those wallets and you're never getting back in there essentially destroying whatever crypto currency a public information we do know we see that Isis was very chatty on twitter before operation going symphony but that number of tweets drastically got reduced right after Operation Going symphony went into effect if you don't have a file sharing server to pass the photos from you know from the front battlefield lines backed out like everything's just gone what do you do right like you don't just say oh well that's that let's be dying no you work on is out with that has bad logos bad videos and delays and releases so when you impose that on them it erodes what emails

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"Rhodium radio knows Adam. Gase Rhodium radio in the city of will mean to. Mauch doctors very little and I got little. Sop is now with us down with the Dow with us. Arabian he's down with. Sony is down with us. Banks is down. You know down with us. J. Boys Down with his paid the Dow with my boy accu down with a like the mentioned broadcom son from the road Monday drain the swamp Lake and by the way. What then you weigh you down with it. Is the muscle not welcome back everybody to rotting away episode? Forty four. We're almost at forty five. Wednesday will be at forty five. But I've ever special guest but before we get two point five we've got a complete episode before Before I introduced my next two guests are GONNA make The rhody mix tape documentary since many of you guys are on lockdown and refused to go outside cool. No PROBLEM OF WE'RE GONNA come up with a pointing coupon for the Rhodium mixed a documentary. Coming on April first. Okay so You get a discount if you guys Punching the coupon code of the documentary Three hours long once again. It's money well spent three hours of west coast hip hop history. Which I like to say that it is the Prequel district Outta Compton director by me. Filmed by John Motherfucking Elkins K. Other than that we are all a major media platforms of IHEART. Whatever and if you don't find us on all platforms let us know to make sure we put him on that but we pretty much got. Everything covered I WANNA give a shout out to Markle Rodriguez for sending me these ceramic artifacts. Okay I've had them for a while. I haven't put them on a table. He actually gave them to me because central to me because he wanted me to put him on the table and I think they're actually pretty cool. One of them is actually like a whistle. But I really don't WanNa blow it because I don't want to start no shit so anyways other than that but all of you guys. That are home. Stay home stay safe. Cool stock up on water and don't fight over toilet paper okay. L. Other than that Youtube tone invasion Documentary and without further ADO. Please allow me to introduce my very first guest west coast. Geli welcome to Rhodium radio. Thank you for having here. How you doing man you good. Yemo is man. Even when you've got to be good. Oh how about the driver Weird Shit Rainey's way in my life occurs. You can say whatever the hell you WanNa Shimon for a year. Rainey's man and I don't even like driving. Miss Daisy on. Nash is probably why I was a little bit. I used to be earlier but I'm cool. Are you arrange up a guy do or do you hate shit? I forgot the rain but not audit not like constantly like Ms Cool. When you WANNA chill inside know see I'm GonNa do. I like to be upside. I love the son of the heat. I don't like the rain. The Rain I know we needed and people always preached amid. The rain is good. The Rain Is is the Koji night. I don't give a shit I don't like you. I'll I'll I'll I like it because it'd be cool? I hot I'm sweaty month ally so I'd be sweating. Shirley sweaty light amber. I just got out the shower. You should be cut up man you gotta six pack. Tell Ya now. You've got to start working on that a little note. I ain't got no pay no. It's like a slow a gallon. You feeling me like I'm just trying to get lowered to like you know some smaller really good gotta work instead of healthy saying anything good on TV other than the negative watch. I don't watch a TV. I do but it's like sports was forced off. Fuck them she's over with TV number like all. It is just want you to right now. The united saying like thebenz. You WanNa believe me out cool like I'm just I'm lazy. I'm writing music do music. You know all this free time. You know as you mentioned sports. What kind of sports are you? A big Fan of teams Lakers cowboys. Dodgers Kings Shit. Everything except for the cow cow Alpha with the Ramsey for me no disrespect and I never did like the raiders. Will the writers my dad the thing about my family is my dad's a rams fan? My brother is a cowboys fan. My other brothers. The Cheese Fan mazarines film a cowboys fan. So all divided in Davison toxin them houses. That will work out man. So today's Sunday. How'd you we could be going so far so good or yeah I mean same thing I do and I guess like sick in your house not really being able to do shit like I skated the other day but you know it was like a rain a little bit. Katie rollerblades right now hailing skateboarding walker. Okay I I don't know I mean no disrespect to the rollerblades and shit like that but not I was now on that okay or a bunny when people say quarantine. It's such a big ass word. You know you. You know what I imagine. The new says stay home. Stay quarantined I imagine a big ass wife government room. Where you're by yourself. Only one like you can tell if his light or dark. The door has one window. You're pounding on bring my food. That's what I think you like. This exactly all quarantine means to stay home. Yeah okay so yeah. That's it people think quarantine means you die. Don't say how you feel me like I feel like I feel you and do what you gotTa do. Always stay healthy. I'm not disrespecting. Anybody likes to like feel like they need to do what they need to do that. Shit at the same time you know if God God you guys you guys to God's Plug Right. Asthma Play Doh. So let's jump right into Speaking about music of growing up what type of music would you say was played at home? I'm not saying yeah. Yeah not me. Shit like Hobson play all these. I'm talking about like Oh these. He's you know he's og so like he was on emojis. Tough and mom's on the Modi's plus Denton and you know you being the Honda. Cb SCHOOL DANCE. Like poofy haired. Yeah saying When they used to wear them. You know Football player pads back in the day. Okay like their shoulder pad days. You've with straight hair years stuff like that. All these like my population. Aratu like everything positives and everything to be honest with you I everything into Merrill and just last whatever you want to Manley you know maybe when it was like family gatherings is like every weekend oldies defending mode. Sound fucking Shit. I can't even tell you. It's so many different artists. I'm like man you know it's funny. I asked that question but I never really apply to myself. Let me tell you what I mean. I always ask people what kind of music to grow up with but I wonder if somebody would ask my kids. Would they say because I played everything from led Zeppelin? Allison St. Zeppelin the doors. Black Sabbath. Like if you're talking about like busy you asked me what I what I played was to be honest sandwich. I music you'd be talking about a man that's in my blood that's like lifestyle so yes now. I because I've listened to everything growing up and my kids were here everything. Rugby reggae whether it be here pot whether it'd be Spanish and sometimes he'd been Gospel Music because I used to love the way this guy's got down onto Oregon. That's the thing about eleven music. The instrumentals that go into all this shit so so so now wh- where were you born? Where were you raised? I was raised in Gardena California harbor area. Yeah I guess that's because Dr Dena California that'll work man that'll work. Call it what you like. But it's still part of the harbor area. The worst thing. Is that where you went to school now? Into School Man Beach my parents linked up with some people that will allow me to address you something that'll hustle to gaming and things but you know plainy sports growing up. Yeah Football Basketball Baseball. I was really fucking baseball. You what would you better at football baseball basketball. I was nice. I basketball young Airbus Fat. I was like fact case of what I was. Still Nice with it then I got to high school on my Danny's kids like Dan shape on my full but I don't really I just got to be some people up on the line or run attacks. I'm cool with football. You Know I love asteroid fooball those in mind sports. My son played a lot of football growing up but I oh in. He likes baseball basketball. But I always tell kids that are playing football. Play basketball as well because most great quarterbacks in the NFL and it's a lot of a lot of folks basketball basketball footwork. And it was saying she do ballet saying dude. That's what football players you should do back. In the day they used to that it can get that for like. I don't know that but I'll take your word to do ballet. Why CAN'T Football as he's not word. I never heard that one about to either. So you just brought revelation to the world. And he he. Did you look at documentaries? He said that and I hope I hope I didn't. I hope I made that up the documentary dirty year me. I'll go I don't care what restraint on a high school. What was your first job was in high school when I was working Bay Club I still worthy to claiming that they want me to say their name but they said Jim. I've been working there for a minute. I work in a personnel. Play headlight. Three jobs for me all right. And why is that you just always about the Hustle Award? Daddy money don't come you know. I can't go to the trees start snapping a ten. I got I got one. Yeah well then you get to see During break down. Yeah but yeah I need like money man. You know what I'm saying because money helps me do what I gotta do. That May CDs stickers and you know saying studio time in beads and ran and the list goes on rent goes. Y- you got to pay for everything and it's real three. Okay now. Let me ask you this question. Who would you say as a youngster? Inspired you or motivated chew encourage you to start writing as a youngster. When I was when I was young we like what was some of the music they use it. You know like I said I listened to before it actually really got into right right like that. I was in a punk band for love. It no shares. Because I I went to school by the beaches you feel me and so I grew up to be able to see different aspects of life you. Dm Soon that. I never thought I'd be able to see but I liked it so I enjoyed being a skater. Punk rock rock nonsense. I'm listening led Zeppelin the doors. Black flag misfit. Delay SCREENINGS CRA. Clear Revival Everybody by the United States Circle Jerks Geisen. Roses like list goes on listeners. Every day every day I was listening as she. And because there's a point where I style in Iraq 'cause like when I was in Elementary School Middle School. It was known limit days. It was like death row days in all every time. My parents don't give a fuck about me having them sees but when I tell them bitches in school they'd be taking him. Would you listen to this at the amount? So why you care. Let me they would take it out to go get that shit again. But like but that was like real amuses me for some reason I kind of feel music died off as some point where it just wasn't relatable to me at that. Moment Philip saying where when Ryan role was as how has lived in my life and how like I said music is in just something I listen to you. It's like a lifestyle to there's gotta be something that I can feel myself and lead to weight gut to yeah works. So what was the first records that you were listening to as a youngster same shit? Every was Kiwi. Listen to you. It's like you know. Nwea bow mckeever Robbie on like some A LOT OF SOUTH. She like no limit. Shit hot boys cash money shit like if you listen to my flow is kind of New York's Jj Shit like A lot of New York. She liked to be honest issue. West Coast is just. You know everybody likes you. Know Autographs New Warren G. Quick Mac. Ten Is Q. I assume the list goes on coast. Everybody if you had a name possibly top three West Coast artists that you call game Mixed Chemistry I`Ma put nipsy up there because nipsy like I'm I was in era of Nici for me like since two thousand nine issues like when I really started making music and doing she liked that so I just kinda like followed how he would do she independently because that's all I had his grind and how you would do she though he was really success. Won't and it's good to see that which makes me believe that. Now I I you know as possible but anyway. Nancy's top because I just love his work at the and I love how he does makes you. You don't have to listen to him. Okay yeah same. And what was the question again so nipsy and you have more artists three your favorite west coast if you will partisan fuck man. That's co I was like I mean to to apply because I just love the fact that he's a rebel would a cause.'. Fuming that's how I feel I am mighty so to of course are people that like guide you into direction of of of being a solid person in in in character moral so I guess you know. Let's say snoop dot. Because that's not we'd and he'd be you know he said music and he does. He's a great person in life and helps if you will gimmie three east coast artist. That's easy Jay Jay Z. Top It's not easy 'cause I like Jada kiss a lot. He's ready to me. But that's the locks period but I like Jada a lot I mean if you go back in the day biggie of course just as swag but nice. There's a lot of east coast anybody from down south you mention. Oh Yeah I I mean I bug would back down for with You know the whole no limit for sure that cash money You know Jisi of course cheesy TI myself. South really is something that I did really focused a lot like because I always felt like my swag was always kinda like you know just kind of like you know how they sway beef here. It's like no disrespect like like if you from La you have people in your family against you. But I'm not that you do what I'm saying and my parents raised me to WanNa be anything like that. You heard me none nor my brothers and my brother got incarcerated for. She liked that you fool me at home. Use that she happened to be. You know what I mean. So it's like I never wanted to be that so I like you feeling but I like music that I'm a you know I'm entrepreneur. You hear what I'm saying so I like music. You know motivates me to get some or you know saying no and and you know what I'm saying but I still love that West Coast to the fullest. Because that's who I am you filming but it's just that just you know I I don't portray myself as like a gangster. I'm not a gangster saying so. I'm more like a motivated entrepreneur list. Get it don't never give up on nothing if you believe in your okay When do you recall when you first started writing in creating demos? How old were you ship? Probably like sixteen seventeen sixty seventy and just wrapping up instrumental time. Or He's back in the day was in it is mistake. Schieffer me make safe Go ON YOUTUBE. Riba instrumental that. I like like my first one was like two wasted Gucci Mun and that's when people will identify Chicago where before that like like I said I had bought this low setup for my room cost me like four hundred. I was a lot of money at the time. Should be true. What little set consists of that will fuck in? What is that Shit that Regan Hook up? All this shit turned a nods that tro tools. The Mike the mice stand on my laptop Pretty much everything you need to record the United States but I just me personally. I didn't really all I did was record double the Ad-lib I would lower than doubles lower. The AD libs. Just try to make it sound as good as positive third and things out like okay and I would make hombre. I had like three unbroken these tapes one one two and three around what year. If you remember you release your first mixed tape and how maybe like. Oh nine how? Many things that consists of thirteen fourteen sons. Now Hobbles the response when you gave those things away. That's made me right here. That's mainly WanNa keep doing that. She there's there's good we feel like the industry they're like like keep doing shit you know so. I was like okay. I had the setup you feel like I can still keep practicing and practicing so like I just read Bizarre del dating right in Spin Spin Spin. Just put out damn near fifty fucking mistakes on my soundcloud. I got like a lot of free music yakking. Listen to lead over a hundred filming a draw I EP in two dozen twelve okay so like like I said I was just making music just getting out there and people just got them like I would never get them you fucking suck or stop diminishes I oh shit like you kinda get by so they gave me my confidence. You know what I'm saying even if I did get a couple of those it's like well the sorry. Shis I'M GONNA keep doing this shit like you know it's funny because I posted those pliers on Youtube Story. Okay and it's not facebook and it's not instagram. Would the mozell. Shit talkers are it's on. It's on Youtube. That's where the all show up. That's one hundred percent because anybody could be anybody that could be a guy that called himself Bunche Hall or Dicker be fucking Diablo Diablo and no go on there and they'll talk show I like to call them that. These are the shit talking hours of the reason why they call them houses because was put who who who saw. All I do is just come in and says there's no who is West Coast. Gilly when they say you you just bring it on these people like you. Just whoever I feel you know disrespect I feel you. Yeah but if you see if I see me up there and I'm not gonNA call myself whoever I'M GONNA call myself west coast guilty because again like to you. It's like you ain't heard of me now. You're GonNa hear about me when I'm saying it's like that's not the negative is just like I'm GonNa let you know it's not who is knee. I'm typing I'm West Coast Geli. I'm GonNa let you know who I am because I told you you're going to hear me. You and the thing is you know. You Ain't gotTa jump on board now. But the thing is people started jumping on board you gonNA look and be like damn what's gone on in that cruise. You might want to jump on now and I'll be like come on because I told you I'm west coast getting. I told you that before going to be mad at you. You don't know me now. Nobody in my eyes and in any robbers. Is you better be somebody? Because if you don't in this game if not keep that shit pushing saint believing yourself you don't the image share with you a little story okay. What encouraged me to do. This was A. You probably heard me say this times. That's what this documentary documentary about that. We call documentary but a Japanese man. He's to sell at Cortina at the swap meets. The that's where it all started as well. We got Rhodium radio from from the Rhodium. Swami or open market. Or or what? Roy Moore designed okay. Now here's the thing about him. Not only did he support like artists that had record deals at the time but also support it a lot of independent artists. I took that mentality that he had and brought it to this podcast platform to give everybody an opportunity. Whether you have a major record deal or and you WANNA come on here or whether you're an independent artisan nobody's hurdle keep in mind everybody from NWEA too young MC two tone low to Melamine as all of these guys at one point where independent artists you how she's GonNa Start exactly but now the thing is that you have people that aren't patient exactly they want the NBA player. I don't want to see the college and I'm like a and I might that with basketball. I don't WanNa see college but Wanna see playing the NBA. I feel that but at the same time if under college plummeted we're like yeah sure. I'm number one draft. Pick next year filming. And now you're GonNa know who I am exactly and as you know like I can't be mad people who you're not. GonNa know me but the thing is how you GonNa know someone if you don't if you don't know gotta get you gotTa try and get to know something about them. Do your research listen to a song. Saying that's why it's called history your research that shit absolutely you gotta start somewhere and being as you're always gonNA have people critiquing that's buying it comes with the territory. I love it though because it's like You know I don't even get mad. They're critiquing like cool. I'm artists I'm going to do. I'm pretty sure why Picasso wasn't like Damn. You told me I'm going to do this. She mows. I wasn't like like if you artist. You know what you're going to be a artist saying that if he left some influence you it's like well now you now. You're doing what they want to say. You're not doing it for yourself. I do everything for myself at this music and like I said if you WanNa come along and you like it and we're going through the same thing and you understand we're talking about and we both you know is positively dealers go feel like hey. I'm sorry man maybe the next one you'll like if not that one on you know whether that's a good mindset to have you know When you first started releasing your first mix tape to triple Problem Moron. Coming up with a good rapper. Name will now because like before like I was guilty. Every on the bygone giddy. They used to come to your husband because you know I liked to give money in flake. Dicing Dushi Dushi like that but not man. I was always really so as I man guilty but then I will like people. Try to begin to kick to kill nine man. We can't have any more south west coast in front of it so when you do look it up. It's just West Coast Galley and I'm like. Yeah so this is what West Coast. I love it. I love it West Coast. I might be. I might not be a stereotypical west coast but I'm west coast to the day. I die saying okay. We'RE GONNA go ahead and take a break two minute break. We're GONNA come right back if you want a beer. I got some beer. If you want to make some shots we could take some shots but if you wanna go outside and take a smoking that too I want it. All that work for his son said. Here's what we're going to do. We'RE GONNA go ahead and take a little break and I want to talk about how you've met misfit and when you dropped your first. Ep coup or at everybody we'll be back with West Coast. GonNa take ten minute breaks so make sure to call call. Somebody take somebody paid. Somebody slapped a shootout somebody. West Coast is in the building. Okay again we're GONNA be coming out with a quarantine Cuban okay and I'm being sarcastic but we are going to come out with something We can get a discount order while your home doing nothing getting fat eating all the donkeys and drinking red bulls and looking like a blob. Okay getting shape workout be smart. Stay in school. We'll be back in ten minutes. We'll come back everybody. Rhodium radio episode. Forty four everybody for tuning in and chilling. What does a hope he has? Got Something to drink We have some chance or popcorn of defeat kicked up. You guys are quarantined up. Chilling watching Rhodium radio. Once again I got to plug it. In Brody MIC. Victory three hours a west coast hip hop. You will not be disappointed. I guarantee you money back. Guaranteed if you don't like Ajan el-kas we'll pay you back out of his pocket okay. So let's go ahead and continue with West Coast Geli motherfucking building. So I got you a little shy. Got You a Gordana without virus Hope you enjoy had a little. Puff PUFF OUTSIDE. You're feeling good. Am always been again about a work. Okay so now you dropped. If I'm correct a couple of mixed on your own now on your own which is burning these just giving them out yourself. Yeah I literally bought dislike by first of all. I burnt them. And then I bought this thing where you can press the Our cover on issue. And then whatever you had to make a CD feeling saying I you know I had this whole little processing diggers to put on it and all this other shit like I would do this shit for like hours in my room. Just one to like Okra saying just doing it by myself. Obviously the response was good. When which we're telling me. Yeah Okay Yeah Yeah now let me ask you was. The quality. Production was boo boo but the effort in the in the in the in the the they really going for was there. So that's what made it easier to listen to what I'm saying right right okay. Now so what again I will say. The response was good. People we give you feedback and you continued so Y- you never had a Another name before West Coast Keleaf. I'm Craig you said it was Gilly. Gilly got it the West Coast Year for already pretty much taken that name. Yeah now when you start getting into production who started producing your beats. I was that always you. You're reaching out to people. I don't eat I just get on from people. Okay like I like my. I Like I said my will actually. Nbc's off the mix tape shit. Stop that whole shit like I would get from people like I would assume are buying depending if I liked it or not. Okay but like I would just again from different producers. You know what I'm saying. I worked on my first EP with producer. We I think nine songs was shot up round. Mccabe it should. I think forgot his name but I know I don't WanNa get his government government name me so I it's been. It was so long ago. His into dozen slow lane for when we probably made it in my brain is not that great question. Because I don't know so you're going to teach me something here. Her you said I used to lease beats. Okay I take I take it sip on it wherever you want. Okay now when you use the least beats what exactly does that mean as I like rent to own or something so like. When you lease it beat you can pay from lighting. Whatever they want ten fifteen twenty thirty forty depending on the beat. Is You lease that Shit you get. I guess like if you read I bet you a lot of people. Don't read the shit that they sent him. That's why they get see later on. But if you read what they say you'll get like ten thousand streams ten thousand units earn. You only get limited shit before start to start paying dude all you filming are making an exclusive. What I'm saying so it's like you can't just blow up off this shit and have a million views on youtube or sell this and sell these and do shows and do shows in dude again shit from me. I'm saying ochre like just at least by the exclusive on saying that's not my you know what I'm saying I would have to buy you know. Can these same beat somebody leases to seventy thousand people if you wanted to? That's what I said. This is crazy. That's why would just give it to me. It was I. I was still makes tapes but it was beats that people wouldn't have heard if I'm saying because it's too many people out there. If they did I would feel. I'm not even going to be better anyways. And that's just the competition in me but it's like I would rather have him here something they never heard on this guy's beater that guy's B. and B. O. That's it to them on the regional. Beat which it will be an original beat to them but it was being may say. It's not an exclusive famous now on itunes. Snot never surrender. You show me like those are all exclusively gotta pay big but you know you know because the reason why I asked is because in this rap game today I would hear people say why leaks that I never understood that role because back then. I'm talking about Eighty S and ninety S. You paid somebody to make a beat for you. You know you can still do that. Still paying for show but leasing because you know now you now you can go on the Internet now. Broadening they got catalogs you go to beat SARS amount even tried to put a plug. And we go there to simulate that and then they got thousands and thousands of beat people. That may be uploaded to that site. So you look whoever you like. Does that in third all this? She induced announced that people got catalogs. Whereas like you go to that site you can lease or you. Can you know? There's different types of things you can at least it would. Mp three or lease with the wave or you can get exclusive with the track out sandwich. Finish yours okay. Good a better understanding for the public to get a better understanding who might be old school like me and kind of understanding this new school gain most. What's the most you ever pay for stupid stupid bro? Yeah highlights who rags stupid shit but but it's not stupid this an investment because I swear to this day is GonNa be hit in. The song is called color. Your song is called big deal. It was in two thousand. Don't worry about it but that song is just the marketing growth. But Trust me I pay. I pay a lot for that. She from me I was like I probably could've got life. Bangers you feel me but I felt so good in the NFL. Like shit was your become. That's my beat and like it's everybody to the dad died that is always going to be played in the show because I paid too much money for that dean ago. Now what's the least you ever paid for AIDS? Sit like an exclusive exclusive? I mean if you listen. She's twenty five thirty nine twenty dollars twenty dollars delleri Tos. Well Shit here because you know why people got understand this. If you're going to see on a million beats and make no money like a someone wants on for thirty bucks while it's like when you go have you ever seen American pickers autumn hoarders. They got shit. That don't WanNa let it go but you have sixty okay here take. I don't really need. I got seventeen thousand these ones. It's like come on man. Why don't Hornsby which is going to be for this man for people to get on? Let me get on it like I'm GonNa pay you. I'm GONNA give you whatever you want. But don't because if he was appointed making shit and then she don't if you don't that means you don't love the game you just doing it for a hobby but if you're going to do for hobbies don't put that shit out there man because you messing up lying for someone who really loves to do this shit and is willing to sacrifice that thirty dollars to get three hundred thousand dollars of unlike. Yo We got it. You're hurting me. And now now. I'm working with him now. He he living but people don't understand why they don't like working with people feeling right you know a years ago. Do try to come up to try to tell me that you give me your beat between bucks and I said Dude you're broke jedi mind. Tricks are not going to work on. I'm not going to sell you. Beats for twenty five dollars and I think that's why the reason why I got out of the game because the cheapest Orissa debate is the truth but liquid level is though what will all the celebs it is saying. You hired ten than the do that sitting in his basement. That guy had no bread. Mommy give him no cheese he paying. I know job. This is his dream thirty dollars. Like what and I'm like. Yeah I kind of four of them. He's like Oh shit here. You go thank you you made money and I made song for like you know like this. As a win well it might be a win win for the new generation rappers but they don't realize the work that I put into it for an example after the. Let me just give you a quick example back. Then the two inch reel tape cost about one hundred twenty five bucks for fifty minutes long you about three songs on them. Then I gotTa do the beat on my ass. Twelve hundred then. I got a higher engineer studio time. They're not gonNA get a musician. All those people gotta get paid. I'm already possibly a thousand twelve hundred dollars in the hole. That's why I got a chart. Twenty five hundred. That was back in the day when you really had a a work to make a fucking beat you're saying fucking here make a B. and shit on the laptop in tune that bitch And it'd be cool dollar. Beats going but them dollar beats if you come right can make you a hundred thousand dollars and now to now to this kid that I got that beat for Twenty Bucks. Ninety appreciate now Makiko you. Now since you were solid him beside the bay his his five thousand instead of five. You won't find here. Five thousand Bro. I know you're GonNa Smash and we're going to double in so it's like it's helped people just help. Well I'm going to help get these will come back to people that help because unless you don't work with greedy people. I'M NOT GREEDY OUT. Pay IF PEOPLE WANT LIKE. I said I paid for two thousand. Eight hundred hundred seventy asked me the lease. That's I paid at least there's twenty five. I'M GONNA be mad at that. I like to be twenty five and have it. Thank you take it out of work. You know what I'm saying but I like I said I'll pay because I understand the grind artist myself. I have to pay a lot of money to get to step in that booth. Then spit you saying I gotta get the beat. Then I gotta get exclusive right then I gotta go to the studio pay for hourly time. Then I gotta pay for mixing mastering then I gotta pay for putting that sheet on whatever it is I gotta pay pay pay pay and I might get zero dollars out of that. She but you know what he loves music loud music so so tell me. When did you I mean Mitzvah Soda? Last year I six six or seven months ago. Yeah then my premium like and and yeah. He's midfield man like I'm a keep it real. He's talented like in this out. Something like you know. It's like on some real shit like so I fuck with him. You break time. I see the talent in Him. But it's just tremendous. It's not what your average would everything is average is bro. You're me. I know his limits and is stupid. And that's why like I'll be telling them rope. We all them beginning getting like and he my naive. Unlike you shut the fuck up but I had to do that because when I see something that I feel like someone has out my game for being annoying to tell you that you bro. You Got April. I just want you to really see like you. You just that's U-B-E-R. Oh well shoot. I'm going to tell you something okay. First Time I ever heard of you. It was just as a recent when that video came out that he did with misbehave What was it called a ball out that one right there in that one. I really really liked it because my boy alex was always talking about. You GotTa Get West Coast. You GotTa Get West Coast. Yeah he's on the come up he's on the cover of this guy believes and a lot of different artists but there's only there's only a few that he's really really pushed and one of them. Was You okay? You gotTA check him out he will send me Shit all day long. He beginning annoymous bug. But he blowing me obscenity shit but I loved the dude and then I came across that one with you and I love this shit right here and I'll tell you why I liked it because it was different and everybody in here knows me that I like different. You weren't ramping like I even asked you. Do you consider several rappers. I thought it was almost like rap singing top style gala. And you know and that's what set you not necessarily better than anybody but different from everybody and I like different. Yeah and With misfit on there I just thought it was a dope collab- as a man and it's not disrespect and it's not even about being. Cognizant always misfit bro if we gonNA beat Bro. It's like Kobe and Shaq Bro. Because we have is real real vision for real music. It's not just some like butter up. Let's let's just make us on. Knob road like we can really make some dope. You dig what I'm saying you're like because like I said. Bro Is is like the lane that he has. He has so many different lanes and I can drive in all of them lanes as I just. As them was easy you know saying when you can collaborate and have a good connection a studio and not you know no arguments no not everything is going to you straight. Bro. The all you can make good music but like I said I always tell him in like these. He got it he got now. Let me ask you something something that we were talking about during the break You being Chicano from the harbour area from the city of Gardena yes it. Okay that anybody ever. I guess what I ever even listening to your music but knowing your what you Gano ever say. Hey are you gonNa Rapper or confuse you with the repor? No no one ever confused with the rabbit because they would need if I were to show a rap. They wouldn't even know as me they'd be like are you black. This is way this sounds like a black person and not as me. I'm dumb grabbing. Like this. What you sound like. Yeah like what? You mean what does that? How DOES IT BLACK PRISONERS DOWN? I don't understand that rap but I don't like Giancana Radway to me but that's just I was you know I don't I don't hate on. You're saying that's that's that's just their lane. I'm not you know I don't want to be confused. Me Trying to take a lane that they already established. I'm just trying to do mean during your only that's it. You know it's funny. I'm glad you said that that people would say what that's you like. I would have thought you were black. If you will one percent people thought that you know what's funny because at one point one point because I'm not I'm not there now I can be a good really really good. Dj Cutting Scratching Nobody would've ever have said back then. Wow scratch like a black guy you know nobody would ever did. Say you use nice. You don't sweat bro so I just think. Sometimes when our people have talent they almost say two things Chicano rapper. Or you want to be black and honey. If you're talented us it. Flaunted works in auto saying we human down. If I'm like why am I gonNA say like yeah? I'm Hispanic a Mexican brow late but I'm a fucking human being. You heard him saying like I don't understand. How does a person talk? How does a person walk? How does this race talk? How does the like it were? Were you from Israeli. You from like you pick up with on your surroundings. You dig what I'm saying like if you a human being you're fucking human bean and no one got it like a Mexican can talk like a so called White Guy a white guy guitar like a Mexican. How how. What's the stereotype of that? Well how old. Ls was the Talk a Mexican right now. Bro Yon saying like just because I'm Mexican. Don't me and I had to be these things that you think. I gotta wear high socks with dicky's in flannel shirts and you know what I'm saying. No disrespect it. I'M NOT A GAME. Like and no disrespected You know nobody. But that's just not me and I don't want you to stereotype me as what you think. This person has to be found saying because there's no truth in it because at the end of the day we from where we from and we get it from our neighbors and our cousins and other. Everyone's fucking WANNA be. I'm keeping unreal. Everybody wants to be is just like how do you want to be Do you want to be a leader? You want to be a follower okay. An older you want to be. I'm a leader. That's right that's good. That's not who I am a leader because I'm trying to move you into the right way the reg into the right positive way saying. I don't want you to think you had to be stuck in this dicky's Courtesan when you when you can really be a fucking scientists a doctor. I mean you can be these things that Pew might say you can never be not your own brain use it. It's hard to because of the noise wrote. That's the hardest thing but the thing about it is like understand this man. If he can do it you can do it. How much how hard you want it though right. How hard do you want to work for it? we were also talking about during. Break Win. You really should I ep? What year was that? Two dozen like eleven two thousand eleven. And what was the name of the EP? Real music real with it may not know now that went under Gilead. Oh okay yeah okay. And what did you have about six seven songs probably nine okay? And who produce that. I forgot his name. But it's like it's s Esteban. Estimating more but he but that's expensive to hang on. What was the response of your first? Ep It was good. It was good. That's why I keep wrapping until my responses like Yo quit. I'm going to be like. Nah I ain't gonNA still but still like I said it's like keep grabbing like I'm GonNa keep doing it now when that drew up. How long was it that you drop something else i? That's the thing about it like people telling me I gotTa Stop Driving Things so Goddamn much just dropping dropping drops. Whatever song draw because we think this you make a lot of music you make a lot of music but you're putting our trash but what people don't understand people have a process of this for. I've been going through all these beasts for months months and I pick which ones I knew that I want to sought to each one of these days for months that can be sixteen songs. I wrote and two three months. It just happened to be took me three days to get that song or because I'm ready and prepared to go to the studio made this shit. Work you doing Sandra. So it's not it's not like I don't know it's like don't put now put out put a lot of music but put up a lot of that. You've been working on and been been putting pressure on real wisdom and she liked that he found saying like but music just like this like this like beep makers like bees let people rap on them saying because at the end of the day like we're all GonNa Benefit Man. Everyone benefits if you come together. He did say I believe that. If how if you're gonNA tell me to. Brands are better than one. Why can't fifteen thousand brains be better than warm? Yeah saying good brains depending there's always one run out but I can feel that but at the same time you know what I'm saying if we all work together it is what it is. Whatever wraps Econo- rap trap rap self Brat fucking workman let that should go work? Why not what do you got to lose? You don't let me ask you a question Do you do you write all your own lyrics of hell. Yeah that's what I pride myself. Okay now how do you feel the you look at an artist differently? If let's just say an artist without mentioning the name that you might have looked up to know then you find out about no hold on. I'M NOT GONNA mention donate any artist whether it be East Coast West Coast and you find out later on that. He had just had a bunch of goals riders. Honey what would you lose respect for that guy now? Because you got you gotta understand. Everyone has ghost riders in this game. You feel me you make a hit. You make a hit man. You made that song. I know some people respected me. Personally I'm not gonNA say like Man Basham and ship. That's like I don't do it. I don't do that. You could a worked. You feel me but I I respect the game. It depends on much respect the game you found saying I respect. I will never ever in my life have Agus right in my life. But if you have a you know everyone has gauche. Riders saying dray HAD GHOST RIDERS IN LIQUID. The chronic with that should do. Would you ever get offended if somebody walked up to you and said I wanNA right for you? I want to get in Phnom Good. Thanks Oda I'd be like non straight thank you but if you need help I can get you if you want like. I don't mind goes running for people. Okay Yeah saying that's an exercise though. Sweaters probably get paid more money than the artist if they get paid so get paid. I mean because I know jury had a bunch of course riders and a lot of those guys never got paid so ns a cash money thing cashman many cash money they cash when he was two hundred. They got some shake him blue face. And we'll also you're saying that they got the ship. Poppy and what are you gonNA pop? And what can people from you soon? What are you working? Outta Shit dropping just did it. Video earlier today with L. A. ICON ICON Koldo need never surrender. Ep's out right now. I'm Marty almost halfway down with my new EP. I Dunno to colleague it usually I just you know whenever comes in and how I feel do that but I got I got so much. Music is just like sometimes I gotta be like you know. How do I WANNA put it? Oh Jimmy 'cause now like like I said I always WANNA put music but now I'm out of time where I gotTA think about. Shit like that really because you know. I don't know because I like I say I want my shit to be appreciated. I mean like I need my shit to be appreciated like but it will be. You know. It's just a matter. Says it's all about when people want to hear somebody and they jump on. So you got an EP. All right now you can hear it or get it where everywhere platforms all platforms okay. What's Your Youtube? Page was what's called building and they can actually see that video to when I was talking about where you a misfit percent. Okay and you're working on something now. You say you're halfway done. Yeah Okay and are you going to be doing a lot more visuals as well? And that's mainly what I'm trying to do this year's visuals. I've got so much music that I need visuals. You now shows. Are you performing any where soon where people can see? I know we got Bush going on right now but That I am. I am trying to get your shows. One Hundred Percent Oakland united saying that should be hard to you know depending on what's going on but definitely I did. I did some earlier this month earlier. This year the yeah. I'm always trying to do martial arts bill. Let me ask you. This might be really question but I I asked him. Do you like performing I do. But I'd be happy as folk when it's over with because I'd be like damn man right. 'cause I'm so I'm GONNA TAP buggy like like I. I'm so like what's that word like. When you really are on yourself like I'm so just like at the end. Be fucking up and I hate that fucking up because I need what I really need to do. Is Really Start practicing? Because I'm like I getting pumped more right than where mom just out there. You heard do what I do if I know. What if a photo of free stuff? Not Dan understand what you know. They're not gonNA know the difference but I do need to start practicing more. I I love shows I love shows do you feel me I love shows. It's just you know I. It does feel good when it's over because it's like damn you know what I'm saying like did it young saying okay. Well at this time Erica. We come to the two of the initial not WanNa give anything else. You want the public to know. Go ahead and do it now sat out family. That's all my family Omaha. Me's show everybody here Show everybody does you know chasing their dreams. Start Down Yourself. Believe in yourself Don't listen to what people think. Now I'm saying just listen to your heart keep going for it shit. Love Your family and should be you to the fullest man. That's it you're saying everything. Positive belqas negative. Shit ain't gonNA get nowhere. Let's it a lot of work was called. Guilio be looking out for him You could reach them on his instagram. That's up on the screen. If I'm curricula us on Facebook as well and Youtube on once again you can get his music on all platforms so once again. Be Looking for new stuff. Go check out that video that he did with Minnesota on Youtube up the fuck dope genuine everything West Coast Gilead. I've congress because Google has everything. Just check it out. Check it out man this this all fuck with each other to like aw make moves with each other and no matter what you do any type of ravage just make music and make the best means that we can s it. That'll work okay. Everybody checks we're GONNA go ahead and go to break a Rhodium radio episode forty four. I'm about to go fixing your Mitchell. Probably take one a shadow to my next guest. You guys are GonNa WanNa tune in for my next guest call. Somebody takes nobody break a bottle where somebody fucking head and let them know that. Oh creeps into motherfucking building. Oh See Orange County city of Orange. Stand up or we back in ten minutes. Welcome back everybody till road and railway episode forty four and somebody asks why are the breaks so long see because that gives you a chance to take a crap commit some NACHOS MSCI LAVA? You know clap some cheeks something like that. You know what I'm saying but anyways I saw people commenting negative positive. Keep it. That's fucking hilarious. Seriously thank you for tuning in and once again. The Rhodium may take documentary. You won't be disappointed. I know somebody Palestinian again yes again. Okay Wha- what before I introduce my next let me say this? I've got so much love for Orange County for the city of Orange Okay and My next guest is somebody that is very very well known in the city of Orange. And I'm glad that I have them here. And the harbour area my neighborhood the city of women representing Orange County so without further. Ado please allow me to introduce. Oc Creep. I do my brother was good. Tony Hagedorn Bro. Well you know what I'm trying to hang in there because I already said it and I'm a party pooper. I hate the rain. The rain sucks drive over. Here really was awful. Did you go slow? Yeah the few times I hydroplaned you know. We had to hit the brakes a little bit president bill freeway so we spend shit no shit. That's what usually happens when you're drinking and driving my mind is alcohol is time. Okay okay. That'll work that'll work. So you know what boy was. Gilly was here and I asked him a couple of questions. As far as our good movies ladyman constantly watch movies. I'm a big movie buffs. Same here I'm watching about three or four movies a day of possible Last movie we watched was fantasy island. New version really. Yeah where's that apple actually out in the movies right now? Oh No. She went out to riverside a driving over their mission. A belief and we watch it was the new version of fantasy island. But it's more like horror movie now instead of like you know. Tattoo and Mr Rourke and all that Shit. They have old boy from Narcos who played. Kiki Camarena was it Ben. Yeah and he played Mr Rourke in that she was more like a horror movie type. You know what I mean fantasy. I doubt that's who placed to They don't have a tattoo in their heels. Yes some cheap. Basically she did the Tattoo the plane and the plane so as not the same. You know what I would say I would rent it but there's no more video stores. Yeah so I would have to wait till like either on a Netflix or the empire stick morph. Tv or something like that. So and you drive in. Yeah driving driving. Took it back? 'cause you know social distancing all that bullshit trump did you actually. We had one son or else. Yes let's pay like extra nine bucks. Don't you could save that money to buy a pizza. Yeah exactly that's dope has no hope you enjoyed the pizza. I remember one time. My brother 'cause I got five brothers. One of my brothers do three of us in the trunk and he drove in to the drive in by himself like if they were really going to leave. That it's perverted. This was going to the drive in by himself. Okay really what are you do by yourself homey so but anyways other than that you watch a Lotta TV? Yeah quite a bit of series. You know I stay upon everything pretty much stale pop culture are you one of the guys that stays up like laid fucking night watching TV. Yeah pretty much me too. Yeah one of those guys. I stay all night. Watching all kinds of shoot assignment was a trip about the fantasy island was As a kid you know we all knew Ricardo Montalban. Remember him the host of Of Fantasy Island yes right well as a Kid. My Dad got contract to paint a portrait for him really. Yeah so my dad did this portrait or regarding a month on my dad's professional artists. My my family is known for for being artists in Orange County Mongols known as the Godfather of Chicano Art and my dad. He got contract payment regarding Monday. One and You know got his autograph pictures with him stuff like that. So but for ball. Good three or four months are seen with regard on our and our living room all day long when my dad was paying ended up. You know when I was a kid it took us and I'm trying to remember what Parker was I was in elementary school. They took us to a field trip and I saw the gotTa go and tattooed. Were filming it where they used to film fantasy island okay. Yeah but But it's kind of a sad story to that little midget or the short people. What do they call them? doors or or whatever. I don't want you know but offend anybody. But yeah he killed himself or something like that. Yeah some some issues some chick. No his wife. It's always the chicks yeah took advantage with candidate arena other guth. Oh well and it's still going to collapse cheeks even at two two foot three so now. Sports Raiders Fan. Big Time Raiders Fan. Correal's matters David. We have many friends because this is this is a story. Everybody's like okay doing Raider Fan. My family originated from Oakland sold. My Dad grew up in Oakland. I got a lot of family in Oakland. Still so as a kid. You remember those machines where you put it in the quarters. Let me get the little helmet. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah my dad to run like three or four years old and we went to the Alpha Beta remember being Alpha Beta would put the coins in. I got the Little Lo- Helmet. And it was the raiders so like okay true about my dad's. Oh Yeah you know Oakland Raiders. I grew up in Oakland as a caveat. Did since then you know while. I sure it wasn't a cowboys Alma. And you just yeah. I know different twinstar knows what a really quick I. I hate to some repetitive. But if you could get a little bit closer to the yeah sure okay now family in Oakland. You still have family in open right now. Yeah their extended family at this point. They're like It's like my my GRANDPA's brother. Some family you know the reason why I asked is because I have friends that live north and eighteenth that like alley right now with a corona viruses like Lebanon and. I'm like no dude. It's cool here. So how is it over there? Have you kept in contact with them? I don't really have that much contact with them I have a cousin. I met barely for the first time that he his Section of families will wants from Oakland. Okay and but he talks like they have get togethers and stuff like that but they're like real extended salt. I kind of really talk to them that much right. Aren't you got a lot of Oakland? Raider Games I did in the past but not as many as I should have. But now that they're in Vegas. It's on now now now now. How does that sound Las Vegas readers? Well mean you know how does the first thing they are going to Las Vegas or some shit? You know what I mean. Yes well you know. We're we're quickly got vegas hanging. You go so good comeback That'll work so now. Grown up at home with your mother. You father you said. Your father was a great artist. If I'm correct yes now. What kind of music would he play a home there especially when he paints he was a big Beatles? Fan Really Straight John Lennon Beatles. Anything by them he was on now. My mother on the other hand she was sort of like She's a little bit younger. My Dash bought five years younger so she was more into like war. More to that kind of five. You know Those those lines right there and then I had cousins. That were older. Because my mother's family's real tight okay and She was real close with one of my cousins. Who Shoes about ten twelve years older than me and they weren't too funk at that time on that Arrow you knows it came up in the eighties. All I heard was the rick. James Zapped the Roger and all that through them. You know so I'd go with my family. I'm hearing Funk I go with my dad I'm hearing Classic Rock Beatles. John Lennon stuff like that. Okay now Spanish music You know what my grandparents my grandparents listen. Spanish music my grandfather from elite school love Mariachis. So that's basically Spanish musically. I've gone on all the time and that's the kind of spending music I like. Yeah it's been been romantic so anyways you see punk you ever go to hang. Og Mike's yeah been there quite a few times. I was supposed to go perform. I think in October. Some time back there but just didn't work out at that time so but you know we're constantly doing the funk fares we're always you know you know you know anything about Orange County Orange. County love spunk. Yes you know and you know Shaw Orange County people because you don't want thing I learned especially like when I was in jail. Is You got your youngsters from like. La County from Oxnard or stuff. Listen Y G LIZ LIZ trap. While you're at the officers from Orange County WanNA listen to nothing but funk. Yeah so it's like it's sort of a throwback you know what I mean that's why I think Orange County title of county and I and I love it. I love it because when I first started like you brought up when I went to the club and I was eleven years old my brother. That's all plane was funk so when I win to Jameis and it was another place. I think it was called the basement a long beach. No no no no. That was the bolt at the Toyota but it was wondering county. Georgetown curious would throw every once in a while and I think it was called the basement. But could you go down under? You had to go down and I saw girl that looked like maybe like they were teenagers early twenties jam into funk and I loved it because that's our generation but now you got the new generation being raised with our shit. Just got so fucking Toboso much. Love much respect for my boy Empty because he was a lot of the. I guess the Backpack Room Bogies title. And he's always invited me. Another another dotes bought that I recommend you go to once a month. A scam jam at the regent. Okay I've heard about a limitation them. You need to go. It's really worded the music itself. It's dope so now you you go to school or not counting your idea hi My parents got divorced when I was Real Young. At the age of five. So the courts. They're stupid man so one year they'll send me to school in. Orange next year. The semi school was Santa. Ana were mother live. I was constantly bouncing back between or school district as Santa Ana School district. So I did in elementary I did Cambridge elementary in orange one year and then Washington wildcats in Santa Ana the following year. Okay so it was. It was the trip dynamic. But that's why I know so many people I brought it constantly bounced back between Santa. An orange. Okay Okay and what high school I ended up going orange high school and then I ended up getting rolled out of there for inciting a riot and sent me to Richland High School. We wish that again. You got kicked out of there for what inciting a riot. How what what the hell is that all about like? Oh well basically it came down to a gun. Fight with this dude and He was some crip from Tustin or some and it became racial. Okay so you know we gotta fight later on One of my boys started joining off one of his boys so all the blacks basically went with the blacks the Mexicans the Mexicans and there was going to be this thing and I happen to walk into it coming to school early in the morning and I seen the situation I walk. I walked away from it and the teachers. What are you doing? You must have had something to do with it because I just got an fight with this guy. Rolling me out. Because they said all those groups Grouping up was I guess make right. Go off and house responsible for it since I'm the one that instigated the fight with the beginning so they get this guy out here and get this guy out of here so now. Let's go you play. These sports could UTAH. Dude man you're not putting because when people think of meds can deal take about short five foot tall dude bill on his fear you know but no. We're different shapes and sizes. Yeah come in all shapes and sizes. I grew up boxing As a professional boxer in the fifties our family basically all the cousins and sons and all that group boxing we would Enter tournaments box stuff like that south pole or no not conventional. Okay yeah you know. It's funny I'm right handed but I always fall South Pole. Hey that's Bruce Lee's methods bring your strongest handle. That tells me I was not jabs but that was back in the day. I'm an old man. Now Sam both but Yeah and then in high school I played football and stuff like that to play football for Washington Not Washington redskins back in the days as a kid so okay before we get back into music. Name me your to greatest. It could be current or in the past boxers boxers cell or Sanchez greatest probably Mexican boxer. Ever if you guys don't know don't know he was basically forecast to be better than Chavez ever was and then recent I gotta go with Mike Tyson. Okay Yeah I like my Buddy Roy. Jones Jr. said daddy he if you will. I want to choose the right. Pretty much immolated. His style from Salvador Sanchez. Yeah so bad now for me. I have to say Julia Sister Obvious Mike. Tyson does just me and I used to like well I still do. I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP OFF. The Bandwagon. Member Tony Barone. Oh Yeah love that dude. I thought it was the next. Come into holiest attach obvious pedal. He Lost Junior. Jones puck cow. And we're GONNA come up. Yeah I went on a lot of Kazakhs irs at that time. Yeah so now around. What age would you say you began to write or you begin to ramp? I I started doing basically like poetry in elementary school. I remember in fourth grade. They would teach us how to do poetry and stuff okay and one of the teachers pointed out you know a real good You know way of going about this poetry. You know you're pretty good at it you know. Keep it up so much of it back then. I was a kid so I remember as a kid that would give us creative writing assignments and I would go on out right like wraps out stuff like that and you know out here like you know a song. Whatever I sorta bite it little bit working into my creative writing and stuff like that. So that was the precursor to me eventually wrapping right there. Okay funding not being a weird way. But it's almost like it's a good weird that I interview a lot of people that tell me that how they started was through writing poetry and then it eventually lead up to two wrapping now going up into old see what rappers growing up. Did you listen to okay I go way back okay. I mean Shit I heard my first rap song eighty two so far back but the ones that stood out in my mind right off the top. Was that the one that I heard that made me one of eventually start. Wrapping was Chuck D public enemy. I heard that song of was at blackstone our chaos. I got a letter from the government. It said man when I heard his voice that after that I knew I had a gun. Mike eventually because he had a deep voice. He had a presence to him. And you know I just dug the whole fucking thing with him and how he was militant needles. Rocking the raiders. Had so I was like all right. This guy's coolest fog you know little that I know you know some of the political issues. He was talking about I. Just I really enjoyed the music. You know. That's a perfect example right there because I'm a huge public enemy Fan. You know I take it. Takes a minute takes a nation of millions to hold us back that to me. That's my favorite album. That's a great outing okay. And he had great Mike President. He spoke with authority. And that's what everybody if you will like caught him off guard like what the fuck it was like. He was breech rapid. Yeah you don't sound like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. Or something with his delivery and all other than public enemy was there anybody else That might have stood out to you in two waves like on the west coast or on the east coast. You're not start off with like Choke D. and then a boogie down productions and all them and then eventually I started going off more to the west coast I gotta say artists that influenced me a lot. That I liked his way of wrapping was Cbo FROM SACRAMENTO. Okay have you ever heard of him with Like brother Lynch and X. rated and all those rappers from that era and he was a big I. I don't know for some reason. I liked him a lot. You sound a lot like Cuba. One point but It was gangster. You know hard and who I like. Sort of like strive to Aben. Every time I got in the Mike you know she to me. It's Kinda auto because not every when everybody talks about west coast rap the usually talk about the NWEA is t- The death roll. Nobody really mentioned the Galaxy Bowl. Yeah and you know the thing is is I mean we all know ended up as he? That's like a mandatory right. You know what I mean. Because that's where they got their influences from Zibo and all them you know what I mean. Obviously I mean who didn't influence or who didn't end up you an easy influence you know. So that's without a given. But then certain artists they started breaking off and you know they. They spoke to me a little bit better. You know what I mean. Okay okay now around what time I should ask you around. What year would you say you started possibly picking up the Mike Recording Demos or actually writing lyrics? Okay if I like for my city. The hip hop scene basically started in ninety four. My younger homeboy. Tokar did a hood song over forty beat called a two song called sideways. Okay it's on my youtube channel. But that's the first hood tape that ever dropped in my city in my town really. Yeah and I've been writing doing all that stuff to the up until that point I didn't know Mohammed was recording these tapes. He was a generation under me. Once I found out he recorded these tapes linked up and it was over with so as about ninety five ninety four ninety five that we started doing a little ghetto. Who Tapes and to me? That's important that's history right there because you said that in your neighborhood. He was the first. Yeah and what was your name again? His name was Coker Tokar. Okay much-loved much respect a talker so you pretty much look at him somewhat of pioneer if you will or releasing those to make so when when he released it will you already. His brand is homie. Did you print after you? Not being that we're generation different. He's a little bit younger than me. I knew him I kick it with him but not as much as I did then. I used to kick it with his older cousins. Hey did you hear my my cousin statement. I heard it a take him so I went to his house. Showed me all the gear. He had he had a new mark. Sampler hasn't turntables. We had a cheap little Take Dick and we grabbed the MIC. And we'd record instrumentals off. We use a sampler with SAM would and we'll get turntables on there and every Friday night would go would record new tapes for everybody initially One of the rappers. That was an our little crew was comedian George Perez. I did a podcast of two or three times if I'm correct. Yeah I seen that Yes so he was one of our main rappers at first he wrapped he wrapped initially initially and then he was doing a lot of like wrapping for like go like hood part of his shit. Every hood will get up there and spit their rhymes wraps so he'd get up there. I'd get up there. We'd all get up there and rap and shit like that and then I think that gave him look to handle crowd. And then that's how we say. Wait into into the comedy here. Now when you went to that guy's house guest does younger guy who was doing the mix tape at the time. Were you already right him at the time? Like you pretty good at writing or were you just kinda still. This is what I WANNA do. So let me start experimenting here or did you already know what you're going to be called or what to write or whatnot already. Had a sense of what I wanted on. I had been writing already for two or three years. I I basically do my own production stuff like that at home with the little to tape deck that I had you know a record stop record. Stop record stuff so I had like a two minute loop right okay. It's odd record little stuff here and there and house riding you know. I didn't tell anybody basically back then but I do all that so You don't have that to myself. So eventually when I linked up with him I already knew what songs I wanted to sample already. What I wanted to write Saw I basically had an idea an idea? Yeah a would. It took he though on the other hand already had the experience of recording and all that so when I got in he was able to coach me. So there's a little bit smoother. Okay now the match the same question that I pretty much ask everybody. Did you like the way you sounded when you started messing around at home and you kept all that stuff to yourself when you were wrapping. Initially I did it okay. There was parts that I liked and then there are parts of Madison. Like a little kid about fifteen sixteen. That was granted you know but I knew I had a deep voice so like okay. I got it figured out how to work. You know how to how to be able to maximize the the sound of my voice at this point. You Know Okay and you all your lyrics for the most part I had a few homeys rights versus for me. I'm not above using a ghost rider of their. You know I'm confident in my skills. I know I can fuck in a rat bars around cats. So sometimes I've had people come to me like you know I got home and we had a beat up by underground camps and I shot it to him and I told Okay you give me a hook and verse in and we'll we'll do it up while he came back with everything he came back with. A verse came back with the Hook. He came back with my verse so I checked it out all right cool for. We'll go we'll drop. You know someone dropped it. Well that's good a good attitude about it. Because I remember I recorded the song for a female. She was a dope. Dopey and I will mention her name. She's not rabid anymore but I recorded the song for her and I told her. Why don't you write a verse is almost like there should be a guy you got? You two should be going back and forth here okay. She's okay all right his birth to you know so she wrote it. I called the guy up and I asked him now. This guy has never had anybody right for him or he never wrote or have it wrapped anybody lyrics and this dude had the bucket hardest time. It was just a pride. He just like dude these on my lyrics and I said I understand small versus Pearl. Yeah like sixteen bars. He probably had like four bars little pieces here and there but the product that he didn't WanNa do it so we didn't end up doing it and he was getting paid for it so I understand how some people don't want anybody to wipe or they're more shit by. I'm confident in my skills. You know what I mean. I got over a hundred songs already got different styles. I got different ways of delivering and stuff like that. So I'm confident someone comes up to me like you know. I got some rent for you. Got The sound dope you know. What if it's the head or it sounds good is wrong with it? There's road work so now the reason why I asked you about your voice because most people that I've asked them that have always told me. I don't like to sign a mobile studio. That's a majority of people. I mean a lot of times. I bring people in record for the first time. I don't like the way of sound see. Look me not a rapper. I get it. I understand it but at the same time I'm like. What do you mean? Do your rapper risk. But it's kind of like when I used to scratch. I scratch my buddies and I still would just see them. Just kind of bobbing their head. So I didn't like it because I don't think he will always that good at the time but I would like to take all your fucking held like all right. Well you can you be a little bit more specific. Do I need to shop? Everything's these cool. Yeah and then. They can't see it from outside looking in you know that's one of the things you know as an artist that you know. We're so critical ourselves because we see the mistakes and flaws. That else sees okay. So now you'll record and soon after you start releasing stuff to the public or your friends to the neighborhood or base it was. It was good stuff Problem that I had is I was in and out of jail. Okay so I would come out record a bunch of stuff. Gilgal back in jail down for a few months years. Whatever at a time and then come back out release a bunch of more stuff and then go back and so the streets. They held on to it tightly. Because it's a trip. I got you know guys that. Are you know they're teenagers? You know. They weren't even born when I recorded any of this shit and they still got the songs. These are still floating around you know and the underground and on the streets so it's a trip because you know. I recorded a bunch of this shit and I don't even got it you know. Sort of like a ludicrous hustle and flow. All you've got issue. I don't even have that tape. No more also you know the circumstances as they. Are you know maybe a dumb question but I want to ask you? What do you think it was man that kept you going back to jail You know that's a number of things Where we live event in my neighborhood. The cops were roll. Presses against us Our City is a nice city. The thing is we have one of the oldest water use in the country. Right there are water. Goes back to the late. Eighteen hundreds and developed round early nineteen twenties or so you got the sunkissed company that came in. Obviously it's orange. The crops were orange. They came in the House on the water. Basically formed rounded around this packing house right. So you got this nice city and Russell. I'll throw in in this little area so the cops they're coming they're constantly fucking with fucking with us and you know our older home these at the time they were into everything into streak politics all kinds of bullshit so they were dishonest and that was one of the things once. I got put on probation. They were looking for every excuse. The Hassle I was constantly. You know and I'm not GONNA lie. I was over there fucking around. You know you know doing stupid. Shit we all were. Yeah exactly you know. And I'm thankful wanting thankful is. That was the library because many of us have done so much dirt that we should have been took a long time ago. Brill Yeah I tell my kids and McMahon of got caught for half the shit. Fuck and I've done I won't be would it be thankful and grateful for that but listen. We're going to go in and take a ten minute break. We're GONNA come back on what you're working on. What can people expect when people see you? I know it's Kinda hard. 'cause we're going to this whole corona bullshit but you know what We'll get past it eventually and people will be able to get to see you support you in so we'll talk about that so anyways Once again everybody rolling episode forty four and we will be back in about ten minutes so if the person's saying why are we taking so long because we're about to go get some nachos about to go make some popcorn? What about to play musical chairs so be back in ten minutes call? Somebody Tech Symbolic slapshot. Somebody let them know that. Oc CREEP is into motherfucking building standard. We'll be back in ten minutes. Welcome back everybody to Ruin Radio Episode. Forty four and I'm here with my special gas creep from the OTC so once again seven one four. Stand up this Genre Beck into it. How you doing good good man? Good now I see. You GotTa shot there and people are saying. Why hasn't he taken it? I SIP on mine brawl in here. Here's where everybody where everybody right down the head so I'M GONNA SIP a mind. I've been this boy and I'm sipping on major and I got another modal coming but up all right now you'd be. Why didn't you ever take Got Wrap Lane if you will. Because I came in a different time when I started rapping. No no such thing as you're gonNA wrap wasn't that label Basically had a Lhasa Latinos rap or there was an old label is chicano rapper. That didn't come until like I think. Lakewood to thousands or some shit like that so I didn't see myself as that old label. You know. I'm gone out. I'll take now. I have no problem okay. I'M GONNA rapper. But you gotta understand. I come from a different era. Where there wasn't Notre Gunnell label rappers? Whether you're black Mexican Samoan whatever especially on the West Coast Yacht Tribe Kid Frost. We had a lot of artists. That weren't black you know so. We didn't look at ourselves as okay. I'm Mexican rapper. I'm this I'm just a rapper. Know I'm a rapper. That wraps you know being I'm Jay gone. Oh okay. That's that's secondary you know you know and I see the same thing when I started teaching. I was enabled us that she cannot teach you know there. There was a lot of dough Filipino. Dj's even back then. I knew a lot of them. I knew a Samoan deejays black. Dj's it was detained. Wasn't a color. Okay and I think rap shouldn't be color either. I don't think so. That's how originally was right. You know I remember you know You know hip hop having the fundamentals. The break dancing the Jane emceeing graffiti and all that you know you look at Beech Street you know you. GotTa Italian in that movie. You had a Puerto Rican blacks. You know so you know. I've been told you know one of the reasons why hip hop appeal to a lot of people is because it it's a it's a street culture. You know what I mean. A lot of people from the struggle can associate with so it doesn't matter where you're from but if you're in the struggle you can identify after after the one hundred percent a Lotta people always saw hip hop as a way out people that live in poverty. You know I remember. I saw interview where somebody asked. Dr Dre what did you do hip hop? And he said well too. I saw it up. Not only that I love the music and I love the culture but it was a out from where I lived and look what he's out there billionaire. You know what I'm thankful. I'm thankful that I had an opportunity to meet him before he was who he is. Now here you know I knew him before. And I'm thankful for that because one thing I can say about him that people always asking me. How was it? Dreary never saw me as a non black person in studio no matter of fact. He's asked me. What do you think about this? Track OF EAZY E. Was the same way you love these. You know one of my favorite artists exactly same here same here and I had to the honoring the pleasure to have those guys come to my house and REPCO hunt mix tapes at a matter of fact that does documentaries about. That's why I pushed hard. Because I need people to see a certain part of history that they may not know when people think of West Coast hip hop history hits dink. Nwea death row and maybe a little bit of to park. And that's where it stops. You know this is before all that well. Another thing I like and I appreciate about your movement is that you validate Russell being in hip hop from beginning. Because you know nowadays you get okay while black started. You know. It's just a black art form. You guys you guys but you know we've been here on the west coast since the beginning with with artists like you. Kid Frost. We had The boycott tribe. It just wasn't all blacks on the rise. Goes you know a lot of who gave these artists. Sales was Rosser. Yes so you know I mean we are big part of the hip hop community on the West Coast and you know regardless of what what anybody says you know. We're here and I think you in your presence in everything you've done validates the rest of us. Well thank you very much. You know percents I appreciate it but let me say this I will say it again. I said over and over today we are here especially here in California. We are hips. Economy US Chicano RASA HIP hop to Konami. So why would we said this? Why can't we be up there? Why are we always on the outskirts of hip? Hop Looking at these people performing and we're paying tickets binary payroll binder music and believe me. I have nothing against anybody you know. But why can't arrest? Be Headlining? The snoop yeah and that's how it should be. You know one of the one of the issues. I always see that you know. You'll see Rosser. Gave behind among rapper or a blue face. Guys is horrible. And then they'll go and get a social media or Rossa's page on this guy. Sucks you suck. You can't rap but then you look at everything he likes the hell you know about here Bob. Exactly you know what I mean. And it's it's always are people that are trying to quit the put down and you know it should be the opposite if you're going to go and give juice to these other artists that ain't grass on the sub. Then you don't give us too. Don't say don't say Shit you don't let us do our thing. You know what I mean. It's understandable this. Is You know a lot of artists poked it up for a lot of us up shit. Granted that's understood but you know it filtered through it find some artists adult because there are some basketball could Mexican artists. That'll blow any risks out the water. You know it's funny on the story on my youtube page. Okay I post flyers one guy posted at one time not fucking hilarious seriously because he wrote your podcast straight fucking crash as what he put about me. I left and I'm GonNa tell you why I laughed because in order for you to comment you had to be a subscriber so you subscribe obviously paying attention. That she was funny Bro. Whenever puck and read I was in the biggest bullet solely now that she is. You know what I'm saying so I laugh about it so I encourage these people to leave comments with her negative or positive or whatever. It's all good. There's yeah get it off your fucking. Don't hold all of that in dump it on US okay. Well accepted funny but anyway so now would win. What style would you consider if somebody says you know what style of hip or you? Sam Gangster. Reprimand okay I'm going straight up. But the most Gangsta rappers is that I came up in an era. Where bars counted. You know where you know. You had your metaphors you had your. You know your structures. You had a lot of different. You know you focus on your on your lyrics. You just didn't rhyme two words you know you're trying to rhyme four five six different words at a time you know instead of just saying the same shit over and over so I understand we you know we get the Labor was against her you know. He's he's simple but you know. I really focused on my lyrics. Really focus on my flow and stuff like that so. I think that's what sets me apart from artists right. You know just you gotta go and pay attention. I gotTa Lot Deep Shit. You just got to go over there and actually take the time to listen to what the focusing on the listeners. Just stop fucking. Who is? We'll go fuck and listen. Yeah exactly and you know because you hear one song you might not like it. I got you know already some songs available. They could go listen to. I'm sure you're going to like one of the Libyan encourage rappers. Many rapper specially this new generation. The Real I want to encourage you is because of this just because a person is not feeling your ship. There's an audience for everything. Yeah for everything. Let's just say you're a west coast rapper but your shit is fucking big Europe. Guess what that's what your chips are at. That's where he's going to be at the trip is. I got a click out in the Netherlands Cats go by the name of Dave Drug and DJ crackhead. They got a straight west coast style but there from The Hague city in the Netherlands. These guys are straight European. And they're talking garden. I S S more like that. You know I mean they're they're from Europe and these guys you know they beats they CA- flow shots David Drucker. Dj crackhead check our music. We've got a song called double fire. Has That old school West Coast Vibe? You don't but these cats are from Europe. You know and you would never know that you know. I've talked to them on a live chat and they can't even speak English right and your 'em when they wrapped though they write perfect English. You probably won't be able to answer this on but why digit crackhead. I guess. Their little clique is called junk. Lifelike junkies or something like that. I guess I guess I represent something like street life out there some ship. I'm not sure but now when the drop your first single or EP. Or album okay. The first EP that like solidly dropped was two thousand. Eleven okay The circumstances behind that is I had equipment that I had built up all through the early two thousands and you know I have been performing at key club and a bunch of different venues all over the place We shot video had a group that was putting together a album that ended up falling through the cracks and it was just a lot of work so I got into the streets. Shit step away from music for a few years and getting rated and they ended up taking what why did you get raided suspected for shooting on the suspect and shooting down the cops came they raided my house? They locked me up. They did all kinds of shit. Well at that point. I had a lot of people telling me you know what the street shit man. Why don't you just focus on the music focus on the music so I have my boy sees you know? He's a producer of joints and stuff and one of my boys that are brought up originally and he produced the whole album for me. And he's just like you know. Knock this out. So we put out the revolver all EP and two thousand eleven two thousand twelve and That's basically what got back in the game. And that's when I decided I'm going to step away from St Shit. Yeah I'm GonNa just focus on music now. One thing that we can say to the youth that when you said right now I stepped away from the street. Is that a lot of that street. Shit in it isn't no disrespect to the neighborhood. But we're thinking about our lives. A lot of the stuff was a waste of time. It was it a big time. We serve because you look back at it and you know. I've sat in jail cell for years and months time. You know other than the fact that I'm the type of person that books and try to improve myself seen guys in there that are spending years doing shit with themselves and they get they get out and right back at the same. Yeah well what I did actually a couple of years ago was I cut off a lot of people that at least I thought were cool but I know there were potentially could give me a fucking trouble. I know if I have to in the fucking car. They'll have a fucking gun or can have a kilo in the fucking trunk. I had a cut all those people off. No hard feelings but like dude. I can't ride with you know more. Ca- I'll tell you what we get all were most likely you're gonNA say it in your shit and guess what we both go. I can't do that so you know what I had to cut up. Everybody off and I don't have home means that like I say I go hang out. We have a couple of I don't I don't you know my home is like my son. My brother my boy John. The PUCK and I'll give my boy. Alex that's pretty much it and we do it here. Yeah you take new circle. That's it absolutely do Like I said I got. I got a couple of friends that that name one hand fingers left over. But that's the way you gotta do it. If you want to stay in this business so now you know. Says you mentioned performing? Let me ask you this. You were first given the Mike. Go ahead. You're up next. Will you ever nervous? At first. I was but Being that I had boxing tournaments before. Okay I felt the pressure that you know not wanting to get beat up knocked out in front of your friends and Family I was. I was like okay. You know what I'm not GONNA get knocked out beat up so no matter what happens. I'm giving my best and you know it's GonNa be it's GonNa work out that'll work. That'll work and Europe forget lyrics all the time I just the thing is. I don't acknowledge it. Stop. I'll just keep keep it rolling most of the time. People don't even notice a lot of times especially if you go on ten or eleven o'clock people already fucked up just doing this. And you could be saying Blah Blah Blah. Yeah so you know what's funny because there's been times that I performed and DJ. And I fucked up. But then every bucket noticed. Yeah nobody knows because you know especially if you keep it going right right so now that EP drops Now we're talking about at the time hard copies wreck. I did drop hard copies for them. What was the response to that? I'm it was decent One of the things is in my neighborhood is that they pumped me up. No matter what okay you know what I mean so I got a built in fanbase already. That will support me one hundred percent and everything that I do so you know the response was good right off the top and you know I was able to get rid of. Cd's real quick and You know start spreading to other places stuff like that other cities okay. Did you have any features on that album other than the only feature had with my boy sees when produced it? You know what I would like to see now this is just me because I'm old school head okay. I would like to see rappers. Go back do albums when no features. Yeah JUST THEM O. Ku Twitter about a year year and a half ago. He said something that offended a lot of people he said on my first album. I think it was. I need a beat that album. He's had no features and I went double platinum. Yeah he said I wish people would go back to that bulk you people were blasting them. What are you trying to say would you? Why would that be offensive? There shouldn't be it shouldn't be no. It's rap you know what I'm saying so I wish people would go back to that. Only because I wanNA see how much weight at these rappers today can actually hold down on their own downed lyrically here because a lot of times these features just become marketing ploy. You know just okay. I got this guy's business. It's business and that's understandable but you know a lot of artists you know. How many artists can you see down long after song after song after song and you know you see some artists? They gotta have a feature on almost every song they do. You know and you know more than help. As far as is now hip hop here do you have a DJ? Had A few. Dj's really start off with DJ risk. He's older cat so now he's a little bit older. You don't come out on anything like that last. Dj's is medicine with was the only big big rob He's from pimple on records and then another DJ named Joey Ya'll okay Out of Westminster. Okay out of Westminster. Now you drop the EP. How soon after did you start working on your next release right away right away? He had I ended up dropping the next release because I was out on bail during this time so I was trying to crunch inasmuch materials. I could always every weekend for few years. I was just going and recording and everything could dropping singles so and then after the revolver out pedia dropped the MR keeping one hundred album which I just. I put everything into because I didn't know when my my my number was going to be called and I was going to go in off the bill. Now when you say I put everything into. We talked about. Lyrically money everything everything. I had. Time money lyrics everything. I just gave it all that I had 'cause you know I didn't understand what was going to get at that time. Just like you know what I'm Gonna I'M GONNA leave the people at one good join before I go okay. And what was the longest? You've been locked up for thirty months thirty months now. So what was your first EP? It was called The Revolver L. P. E. P. M. Sir. Do you remember all the names of your albums for most part of the EP a hockey. I remember most of them. Okay can you name? Yeah the revolver EP and the Mr Keeping one hundred eighty p Okay and then I can name all the songs too but Yeah pretty much not having so many. Do you remember the lyrics no no I? Don't I have to hear them a few times for me to Few Times I've gone it performed and I've had a wing you know what I mean. Yeah because I'd like some songs I'll just write up record in the next thing. We're performing them the next day or all totes. It's sort of tough because know I got so much shit I sometimes. I don't remember you know it's funny when I used to is to Choreograph high-seas shows so what I would do. I we have hype guy for a long time Guide I was seeing along with him. Or whatever and he would rebel. The research is kind of keep up with him so what I would do is I will do it instrumental because back then. We have debts or digital audio tapes. Okay and I to leave the Ad Libs. So if he didn't remember somebody whose lyrics he would hear the ad-lib pick up from there. Oh yeah yeah so. That's kind of like a hype man. Whatever pretty much Saint Louis along with him here so up because I know sometimes I did a couple of shows with a couple of words that I will. Dj for and they suffer some embarrassing moments instead of going along with the ad lived on their instrumentals that I did it for them. There was a fog. I forgot my lyrics and they will say dental and I'm like that else book. Headroom professional very unprofessional us and that's why I told him. Just listen to the even. If you gotta say you're having a good time listening to the Adelaide and then pick up from there. Yeah okay so now. Let me ask you this. What can people today expect from or creep? I gotTa Lotta Projects in the works. You know got a lot of videos. Got Lots of stuff. I stay busy. Unfortunately there's corona virus in quarantine on his shit slowing down like I got a project Chris. Gun and ogsm trouble night out. Shot me a song. Him and his artists. Jay Jusuf shot me a song recording a video with the Brown minds right now. Okay I got a video. Te'o that's that's been our edited. I got a another video. Call this further. Jeez that's what the Dave drug out the Netherlands. And you know I just stay active. Stay busy with a lot of music. Did you bottom nine. I'll let me give it shot up to NATO this. Give me some of your table. That's right or good shit. We forgot to bring out poster that you brought yeah brought. You brought me a beautiful gift. Now let me ask you. This demand is all a question. How did you get old creep? Oh creep my hood is known as the Orange creepers after one of my boys named creeper that passed away so I basically shorted up from Orange Creeper to Oak Creek. Basically Ammash to him and it's also Owen the sea in. Oc Okay. So I thought that worked on both ends before that you've ever happened another wrapping Everybody's calling agent agent wiser. No basically you've heard of that that punk rock group Agent Orange there from from Orange County. Okay and There were a lot of people. It's been deadly like Agent Orange and stuff like that so they love agent. Oh everybody sort of gave that to me around with a little bit and then I can on creep sounds Dole decided to run with. I don't know I was goofy. I was thinking maybe a girl called the euro cree. Well nowadays everybody eight year old creep. You know okay okay. That'll work and now So do you have a release date for anything you know? What do the fact that all this shit's going on? I know a lot of things I can't I don't WanNa give anything to Saul it. You know as to one you know. Release dates and stuff. Okay got projects all these guys. I forgot I got a project weapon damage and a burn. Slow with them to. They've been waiting on me and you know it's been tough you know with you know to be able to schedule. You know everything with you. Know everything that's going on sir. I'm hoping soon within the next month or so and winter you said. He has some videos of editing right now. Yeah I got to realize and editing and right now this is for them. Jeez oh -til okay now You have anything maybe you might have recorded and still having the ball that you've never released. Maybe possibly one day release them. Oh I got a bunch of stuff I got tons of music can limit. This is just me and I'm asking for the public. Why have you never released? Because the game's changed instead of me trying to push put together an album and push together Tan songs twelve songs at a time just so a bunch of gems slip through the cracks. The game is basically all about singles. Nowadays you put one song with the visual and Bang that until the wheels fall off and then by the time that was dying then you have another one coming up another single another -nother visual bang that one and with every time we put out drop a single every time you drop the song you're building up your base every time you know you got a New Song. Come up every time. I dropped the song or visual. I gain at least about twenty thirty subscribers. So that's the way I'm looking at every I'm gonNA keep dropping every single one to keep building it up over and over and over and repeat the process. Because that's that's what's working for me right now. Really how dope on this new project that you're working on I don't know if I asked you. If you had any collaborations I think you might have mentioned a couple. Yeah you did yeah I got one. Ogsm trouble. I got one with Chris. Gun that's right I got a boy Ivan. Raise rare medium state. He's the mastermind behind everything that I do Got One with Epidemic Man With Dave Dru- got a lot of music with Brown lines. Got All now as far as production-wise who's doing other productive com I've got I've been raised production I got underground. Cameras was done so production for me. You got my boy may deals production for me That's about it right there. Right at the top okay. And why haven't you ever dabbled in Production Yourself? I did initially because back then. We didn't have anybody to go buy beach from. We didn't have social media ninety two thousand. I couldn't go online and just find somebody to buy a beach from so I'd have to go after put together my own beats and stuff like that and it took me. Basically though I wasn't able to ride two horses at one time out either able to produce and spend my time. I'm a perfectionist. So they're gonNA spend all my time producing a be all time writing song so I basically figured okay. You know I'm going to be able to get more done if I just focused on on the writing and other people produce so. I'm going to get an empty see though pretty soon. Just jump right back into it most definitely if I encourage you get into production. Okay get into production even if you take baby steps okay. Because a lot of times I know a lot of rappers. Don't WanNA get into production. Because they feel it takes away for the creativity of writing and I get it. I understand that but sometimes you don't WanNa wait on producer to make that one beat or whatnot a lot of times. Just get an a basic beat and say look dude. I'm not perfect but this is what I'm hearing in time. That up would not. I think like I never been adult keyboard player. Play Piano play. Certain notes replace certain pads. But I'm not a natural. Yeah so I would play certain things and I will tell the guy. This is what I'm hearing. Okay you're hearing this. That's what I want but I already had that jump ahead. I didn't go to my keyboard player. Just play some. Let me see if I hear something. I didn't do that. Also so I encourage you and I encourage other rappers. Start working on your production. Do not wait on a producer Nano producers going to like me saying this but do not wait on those guys so you know and pleasure your Europe. Your price could be a little bit cheaper. It is your idea. Yeah definitely so. Let me ask you is. I don't know if you ever come under new movies movies. Mouna Dude Man. You know what I'm saying and I think people would like you to a great part in this. Talk Him over here. Yeah well you know if anybody wants to cast me. I'm available now. I know they're your instagram. Has Been on here on a big screen. So that's what they can beat you. Do you have a facebook or anything where they can reach you other than Instagram Youtube? Okay Youtube. Ocr Three Three P. Again O. See our three three P. does so once again everybody He doesn't have a release date because of everything has been going on truly totally understandable Do you look forward to back up onstage performing again. Yeah do you know I was supposed to perform yesterday matter of fact but I saw that player. Yeah who who the people that you were supposed to perform with epidemic Burn slow and I believe kept by the name of still authentic and we're just going to take place in the city of Orange second base bar and grill. Okay and do you remember? Do you know what songs do do. Call -Til The Wicky Wild West I got a lot of west side. One five degree What else got unreal. I perform a lot of unreleased of to just to get people. Mix it up. Mix it up a little bit. You know not a work okay. Look well let me ask you this before. A week of shouts any other artists. That are out that eating adult Yeah hiked the Brown mine's a lot. Okay My Blake will do more for Let me see Homey rascal from Ali Boys is pretty dog. Vulgar on you know quick My Boy Ivan here producer. He's dope he's he's been taking rains in. Orange County I think Let me see I mentioned Brown lines. Yeah Brown minds epidemic and all them so basically you know that's why is the future at this point and I'll go now. Let me ask you this up today if you had to listen or give us a couple of names of artists that you listen to today any order that you listened to today Newer artists are. I like a guy by the name of a wax Rx. He's from the bay area. Never heard of them yeah. He's a bay area blood and he's a talion guy really. Yeah but this guy's pretty dull man. I I like his style you know. So He's Pretty Dope on Lucy further new artists Yeah I can't really say you already hinted to Blue Vase. Yeah yeah that's and then. That new song came out with issues not yet. I'm going to save that one for another show because that was disrespect knocking says period period. And I'll just leave it at that because I'm GonNa have my dwindled from Las Vegas come. We're GONNA talk about Music Offensive Terresa because a lot of that stuff. Is You know a? Let me say this that it isn't that we don't like the person we just not going to support that song. Yeah you know what I'm saying exactly so don't expect us to pay or go support you or support that Buchan Song. Yeah you know because it is offensive. Yeah and that's the thing to rouse needs a break and let it be known. We don't like that kind of Shit period period. Stop talking that Shit. Yeah exactly what? I'm thinking it's funny and if you're gonNA jump that bullshit going. Do some homework get into the artists that are. Novosel that are putting down instead of fucking putting them down really paying dues. Yeah exactly you know. We've got a lot of artists out there that are putting it down and you know people just want to norm because they're Mexican and that's bullshit period now any female represented that you listen to that our new today only one I seen was Was on the Hami Lighting. Jeez video was a short reporter Rita she I heard her before. I heard her on that song she got down on. That'll work you know what if you could recommend any emails to this show Let me know. Because I'm more lenient on females. Come into the show because I really want to shine spotlight especially on females on this on this show because I think throughout history females have been getting into the stick. Okay so I want to. Shed light on females. I mean I've interviewed a girl that had two songs. But you know what I wanted to shed light on them. You know if you've got twenty songs a hundred song I don't care for your email getting me. I want to bring you one here. You know who's won a dope girl listening to his Monique Ray I never. I never revealed her up. She's from Pomona and she. She reminds me like a Mexican version of Lady of rage. Really ashes pretty dull. Now that you you mentioned that. Okay well maybe you could save me her stuff. I don't know her personally. Shoot you some lakes. Okay that'll work now shelter. You give a moment. I got a few go. Take your time person ever raise. My boy sees a little bit closer bill homey mad. Oh Mall Boy Cisco from my boyfriend. Netherlands Hague city. Dave Drug Dita. Crackhead my boy little man. Gb Wicky Brown. Mines call two four Joe. Crow epidemic. Burn slow fantastic folk master last George Perez Idyllic Eddie. Dama forty-three cynic local Cynics cousin capone from Little Hood. Dj Big Rob Roy. Mr Homicide real most hated big Jay and night out for shooting. Adult Collab- trouble Chris Gun and DJ Bobby B. SUGAR-FREE DJ DJ. Bobby B. That's my mother fucking homeboy. At their home I love that. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1510: Season Preview Series: Red Sox and Giants

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1510: Season Preview Series: Red Sox and Giants

"Hello and welcome. Deb So fifteen ten of effectively wild fan graphs baseball podcast brought to you by our Patriot. Supporters I'm MEG rally a fan graphs. I am joined once again by Sam Miller of ESPN. Sam How are you? I'm good? How are you good sightseeing shocked you so much this week? Yeah yeah this is our fourth our fourth call. Yeah we've several. We've done several calls a little later in the episode. We will preview the Red Sox with Alex Spirit of the Boston Globe and the giants with our Pell Grant Brisby of the athletic such an episode. An brisby no embarrassment of riches really. I mean we have had all of our guests have been really really rate during these preview bads suspicious. You know. Sometimes we're talking to people we don't know and I enjoy that because I get to know them and get your New Perspective on baseball. Sometimes we get to talk to our pals and that's fun Console Response Sharks your pals so what an embarrassment of riches in this episode two main stages in my hand. We recorded our segment with Alex on the red SOx little earlier this week so I guess we should give a brief Chris sale update so that I don't have to record a little bit on this. Which is that. It does not seem as if he needs. Tommy John Surgery most immediately but that this elbow flexor strain problem is significant and he sounds very upset about it he told reporters that it sucks and Tommy. John is not sort of out the window. Sounds like they'll no more than a couple of weeks but it's not great. What's the what's the good way that this could go? I guess the good way is that he could rehab it and come back later in the season and pitch and hopefully do it well. But in anticipation of a long delay and needing rotation Depth Threat Sox signed Colin mccue. Who only recently started throwing himself after having an injury riddled twenty nineteen so that helps them get better but he ends up. Having to throw a lot of star ratings seemed bad so well. We didn't know this information when we talked to Alex but he was Kinda clearly. I think Alex was was fairly pessimistic at that. And so that probably I don't know I think that's a little bit baked into expectations for the Red Sox. Right now is that well. I guess I guess this is sort of superstition but I think baked into expectations for the red sox. Right now is that things aren't going to go. Well like if there is something that could go one way or the other this year. I think there's a sense that it's not going to go the good way. Yeah I think that that is right. So that'll come. That'll come up later. Yeah we'll talk about that later. I WanNa say one quick thing. Before we go to that amend we will get right into these These previews which is that people going on vacation is is funny and I enjoy it when bengals on vacation This is GonNa end up being nice for everyone. I enjoy it because I appreciate in his absence. How much I enjoyed talking it so I didn't get to actually my buddy ben this week and I wish I could. I revel in the opportunity to talk to you because I don't get shocked you as much as I would like to. And it makes me appreciate all the good work that then and dylan due to edit these episodes because when Ben has gone I sub for him and not always as early as you might hope or expect and it makes me realize the production that goes into getting effectively wild out three times a week. So I decided express some appreciation for for all of you because Ben's absences had that sort of mine for me. Some of their you. Huzzah them. So having said Nice things we will now take a quick break and on the other end of this we will have our interview with Alex. Bear the Boston Globe out the Boston. Red Sox one and Jane Defense and now. We will discuss the Boston Red Sox and to do that. We are joined by the Boston Globe. Alex Kerr Alex how are you? I am just great. I am back in my home away from away from big little which is yeah are you. We're while we're doing well. I am also in my home so you know we have that in common. I think before we talk about the state of the Roster and the outlook for twenty twenty. I wanted to ask you about the atmosphere. In Camp. That you have just gotten back from obviously. This team has been in a state of change for the last several months of public state of change. They fired their general manager. They had to fire their manager. They traded away. Mookie Betts and David price than they almost didn't than they actually did and against all of that the leaks punishment for the red sox. Signs ceiling is still looming. So I'm curious. What's the atmosphere like in camp? And how have the players are dealt with what I imagine is pretty distracting? Start to the season will on top of that on top of all. That changed the already noted I. There is also the kind of strangeness of Red Sox having the largest big recanted. I can remember that happened usually. They've been Rosalie low. In the mid fifties to upper fifties in terms of number players camps. In this year as they pursue attended different motive roster building remnants more opportunistic and us. You know those final spots of the forty niners auto consequential there are sixty eight people in camps and they had to bring in temporary lockers and John and have a much more crowded workplace environment so in terms of other handling it now that they are into baseball activities like on a daily basis. It's team it's where my supposed to go. And when Logan Zero Games there that that's all kind of that's that's on lugging athlete cruise control. But at the same time. It is Julia different place to be showing up right. There's not a lot of music on daily basis. It's not allowed in the clubhouse as you're accustomed to here we were familiar with each other on different sides of a room. They're still ethic. Pretty obviously a feeling out process among the players for each other and trying to make sense of the fact that there is a pretty considerable amounts of change supported in a small period of time. And they don't really know very well our hearts of that trade no of whether time blue who's made a real point of trying to get to know a lot of the players that nonetheless there's only so much you can do when your life is consumed per month by you know training rookie. Bats in David. Brussels well is higher than the manager which didn't expect her. I think that there's I I would say that. The best way to describe the group as I've experienced it time that I have been down in two separate. Stints is uninformed is kind of an employee state that does that awaits definition. And not sure exactly how could that definitions has? The definition is changing is essentially an ongoing fashion while they find out things. Like oh Chris Sale. Who said that he felt awesome is certainly navy not going to maybe going to be missing a substantial to a substantial chunk of plenty plenty in perhaps Ali so these are strange days as I mentioned. They're still a very big piece of this off season puzzle that has yet to completely materialized. We have an update on when the ORG is GonNa learn what their punishment is for science dealing not really the game keeps getting kicked down the road. I think that we ever insisted that it was going to be done before. Officials startled spin training and then rob Manfred seven recording to be. John will ever for the February. That's no longer the case. Then you know the kind of maybe this week in so I guess that was points until until it's until it's released I am going converted. They're they're continuing to researching the Union thought a couple of weeks ago the dumber research of it unnatural. That's the case anymore. Although I will say this that part of things that doesn't affect the twenty twenty except for a mess Ron Reinecke gets named Going to happen than it would really affect. What's happening in the preparations for twenty twenty? It's more of an ex post facto redefinition of what agent didn't do with consequences for twenty twenty one Niaz. I WANNA ask a slightly more specific version of maze. Question which is are the red SOx players mad that Mukhi bets got traded because the one of the things that players ask their front offices is to get more players that they've heard of and that they think are good in that they think are going to win and so I would think just like from a messaging standpoint to the clubhouse. This is the sort of thing that you sometimes think could really send a message that players would be angry at being sent not just disappointed. The team's going to be a little bit worse but actually angry that this is the message that was sent to them. Is that simmering? I don't think so I. I haven't got mud fronts. I have gotten the sense that you know. They're they're wondering what life are. GonNa to be like Zander. Bogart's kind of unprompted. The everyday referred to the pressure of of the team Mayfield to address. His void but very candidly like they are the team. The members of the team who've been around are mostly really well paid heavily at at a certain point recognized that there was going to be some kind of a financial reckoning that occurred. I think there had been a lot of talk in mccomb house at Uruguay about contract status in. Who's getting wider on Major League? Baseball and I think that there was. There was no understanding that came out of that that there was a pretty decent chance that mookie. I not resign in that. Were they. Were going to be questions about. His long-term future in Boston. Similar players said can read before they broke up at the end of turning eighteen. They thought that murky web traded. Because of what might be and how many other ones they had were. You know sale at Bogart's joining me. Twenty plus million dollars a year club. I've already featured JD. Martinez David Price and almost native is making some team. Only about yourself. I think that there is. There is a bit of a business savvy about the idea that he's gone. I think that there was a love expectation of the possibility that mookie might eventually get down so I don't think that there I I don't think there was like tremendous Shah Actual this possibility talking about even in red sox going back for a while so I mean if a team that were you know like projected to be a fourth place team or to win. Seventy two games traded their superstar year before free agency. We would be. We'd be pretty used to that. And part of what makes this such kind of confounding trade to to analyze or to have emotions about well. Actually I don't feel confounded about. I think I would rather they not traded him. But it's confounding in a way because it's not quite clear. What the Red Sox are so? I'm looking at the red sox starting rotation right now and they have their number. Two Starter is Nathan Volley. Who was a disastrous? Last year was not healthy but also very very very bad. And then you have which is true. I mean I mean I'm I'm not saying he can't be good again. I like him. But extreme. But not metric characterization twenty season and that you've got Martine Perez who had six point two seven era in the second half and six point two two era the year before. And you know is not really anybody's idea of a sure thing healthwise either. And then you have Ryan Weber. Who is a twenty nine year old former twenty second round pick with one hundred and twelve career innings in eighty seven career? Era Plus and. He's the number four starter and then as it is right now if. We're assuming that Chris Sale is unavailable. There is not a listed fifth starter and that seems like you read that and you think well that's a that is a rebuilding team team that needs to figure some things out before they're going to be competitive again. And then you sorta go over to the websites and whether you know depending on which site you're at they project to be something like an eighty five to eighty nine win team with something like thirty five to fifty percent playoff odds which puts them in a camp with like basically the braves and the as and the cardinals and the cubs and Cleveland that that sort of zone of teams. And so if you buy those odds than it feels really weird. You know to trade. You're you're superstar your best player and that's without even getting into the fact that most of this core was there when they one hundred and eight games two years ago so I guess the question is and this is kind of jumping Edna podcasts. A little bit. Because we're GonNa make you tell US exactly how wins they're gonNA they're gonNA have this year? Do you buy like does anything about those projections. Seem fishy to you or does that seem kind of about right. Is this truly a competitive team with a still even without mookie betts a pretty good shot a shot at the playoffs and enough strengths? Everywhere else to overwhelm that rotation weakness. Well so I think the most of the projections were formed before Chris. Sale Chris. Sale suffered his His physical his physical setback day. Where he threw batting practice. A Little Chris after two hundred days of not facing hitters. He got onto the mound was really excited and looks pretty good throwing to a couple of you know to a right handed hitter and left handed hitter in a live batting. Practice session never was really encouraged in the next day. He felt soreness in his elbow. So powered alter calculus right because most projections factor in the idea of Chris sale is a relatively healthy at jer. In the fact that you're probably already now looking at you know the best case scenario. I would be awfully surprised if we saw Chris sale before. May Guy that alters the calculus especially given the drop off your. You're like it's not like there's a placement level pitcher to call up in order to fill in that spot you're looking at probably at below replacement level pitcher and maybe a drastically below replacement level pitcher in terms of in terms of where that gap goes in. So I think that there's there's a significant downward projection even for missing a month a month and a half two months Chris Sale. But if you look at them on paper right if you look at if you just look at the lineup. You've without rookie bets. You can see awfully. We'll see how compelling team in terms of what the lineup to do in terms of a potential dynamism. Andrew Benintendi had ten about from a year last year like he acknowledged the Atacama Year if ideal kind of inter benintendi baseball shape. And so okay back. Not In the best shape of his life but The shape of his life that led to his best year in two thousand. Eighteen is still have zehnder bogart's and Rafael Devers. Jd Martinez three elite enters in the middle of the lineup. And that there's there's a lot of offensive talents in group so from that standpoint. You know that's impressive. Their bullpen. Which was off maligned. Last year is actually it features a ton of high strikeout guys who probably watched too many people that's making your home runs more consequential than they should have otherwise been but the stuff is really really good and they were. Actually I think pretty interesting group in the second half of the season. They just didn't have as many games where they were trying to preserve leads late so I I think that you know I've seen weird things happen. Balsam right like I've I've covered red sox for. This is my Nike season in particularly in the last decade. I saw I saw the red sox wildly over perform under perform their projections into. It's kind of. It was an idea that bencher talked about back when. I was doing my book. Shameless self-promotion about the kind of feedback labs can exist in Boston where the intensity of the environment can really kind of caused the team to spiral in one direction or number base sometimes sometimes on early season factors so you throw in like a youth. Rona weirdness such as Bobby Valentine and it seemed it looks on paper like that eighty five win projection becomes a out seventy win teen and you throw in. You know something more positive or you throw in something unifying let such a great clubhouse culture in response to a devastating citywide occurrence tragedy in the farm marathon bombing twenty thirteen. And you have team wildly over performs its projections again. Cultural Change in two thousand eighteen along with edition of JD. Martinez leaves seem the PRI- projects to be in the low nineties in its run todos in two one hundred eight wind territory. So I'd seen enough to think okay to know that I shouldn't dismiss the possibility of contention but it seems like there are you know. But it's it's it's a diminished rebuff. Offensively can offset some some of that demonstration by virtue of bounce backs from guys wonder performed last year and the pitching staff was already diminished. Thanks to the absence of price for four sales injuries. Let's stick on the pitching staff for a second because one of their. It seems strange to say this routine that Delta Way the two thousand Eighteen v people apart from a couple of smaller signings. They were pretty quiet when it came to free agents this off season. One of their edition was Martine Perez. Who had a really strange season for the twins? He was really good in the early going. just led by that devastating cutter and then faded pretty dramatically as the season wore on. I think the duration of his deal with the Red Sox probably answers part of my question here but what are their expectations for him. Going into the season I view him as being someone with upside beyond what to do in twenty nineteen that you referenced which was new pitch for villages in grades is a really really good niche if you look at the stats like you know. Extra MINUS WOVE OFF. He had one of the biggest disparities nulla baseball Versus the outcomes that content generated they. They think that there are some small tweet sue pitches. I think their hope is that he'd be kind of a decent innings. Eater he will. He was that he was reliable. Rotation LAST YEAR UNHEALTHY. Who was able to give them somewhere in the vicinity of League average performance. I think they'd be thrilled by that that I think that you know. They're they're not looking at him to the front of the rotation guy with huge upside. They think is better than that. Six Plus your a of last year even though you're pretty closely the six plus. Yara the previous year because the euro cloudy So I they're they're believers that he's he's better back guy. How much butter Wilson? Who has a quick one? You don't have to go into detail about them. But I went through the two three and four starters and let's presume that sale isn't available and let's also presume that as happens with every team's pitching staff you end up needing a sixth seventh and eighth if Ryan Weber is the fourth starter are the fifth sixth and seventh options right now as they need to get more depth. Yeah this is one of the point of this is. This is a Bosnian exercise at a day to day. Basis it's You know where the anonymous the relatively unknown people enter into the Middle Laden of Of Spring Training Games in when they start getting multi innings. You like Oh for Perth rotation for a bucket offering. The caveat is going to be an awful lot of consideration demons using an opener role in in some in some form or another based on the personnel. They have not a guarantee but certainly a lot of consideration beyond that so Ryan Weber is talked about quite a bit as one of the potential starting pitching candidates. You need a few starts for them last year. Basically need one really start for them in a couple of starts warranted for them. Ya Bad Chris Maza is they. Cram off waivers from the mets. They think they think has a pitch makes a little more upside than general past. He's a slider cutter guy who also kind of shows. The change doesn't draw much and then there were having incorporated foresee Mertz change levels fun stuff like that but again this is like a journeyman guy was lowest in India Bali couple of years ago so not exactly the type of guy he necessarily competing heating for one of the fives rotations. Lots Matt Holland. Other guy bounced around a little bit was gaining some consideration for back of the rotation spots. They have one homegrown starter. Who's probably never actually two guys Were more familiar making some consideration. Ten our health is funny. Seventeen first round pick. Who has a really good to sumer really good cider especially against right in hitters has always been consistent? It's lefties if he can locate to do a better job. Canadian side or against lefties them can be pretty good. Against ice both sides plight he also has a usable if inconsistent change out central time trial. So He's a guy who could get a bit of a look in a year where the red sox expect more of their homegrown guys are gonNA get loves than in past years and that Brian. Jobson someone who's GonNa Stop Starter across? Who May get some further? Who may get some further? Love Spring training progresses. If he's healthy which he has always been always been and if his stuff is from a brother Julius so you went into detail about them thank you. I didn't. I'm sorry I did both our Damn I was supposed to be. That's not my forte. I'm sorry everyone wanted to hear about Kris Mazda and a lot of weight. He is the he's related to. Joe Dimaggio Wow. Wow really yeah. Their Way His his grandmother. Will I think that they have? I think he might have lineage by his. His grandmother was first cousins. Joe Maggio and Dom Dimaggio did you have you. Have you heard that Martha Stewart Babysat Yogi. Berra's kids oh no. I hadn't expected I read that one and I've been spent on the tip of my tongue about a thousand times over the last like seven months and I finally just set it so that I will never have to think. When's the right time to say this? Well usual target just for you. Josh Burns the Assistant of the of the I don't know what his titles that. Jospin's of the dodgers from office was babysat by Julia. Louis Dreyfuss algae to grow up Martha Stewart also wrote the foreword to Snoop Dogg's cookbook on effectively wild. Wow Wow I really in for cookbook. I was GONNA say just like step one. Open the bag of doritos. You're done all right when I was a kid. Speaking of being babysat kind of when I was a kid. It seemed like there were a lot of storylines about how somebody was replacing. Somebody else and there was a lot of pressure on them to replace like somebody else you know like the Clark would leave. And then whoever was playing first base for the giants had like a ton of pressure on him to replace Will Clark or there was a trade. And there'd be a ton of pressure to replace whoever they'd been traded for and I don't really feel like we hear that that much maybe it's because players move around a lot more or maybe we're smarter with our narratives or what but it really does feel like if you're gonNA have a perfect case for that. It might be Alex for Dugo who is now having to replace. Mookie Betts in the same position and also who is You know was was traded for him in this trade that I think a lot of people are probably going to remember being upset about for a long time so I don't know if the existence of jeeter downs as well in that trade dilutes. How much of the weight of it of justifying it is on Alex Rodrigo. I don't know if those sorts of having to replace a player pressure's still exist in the modern age or not. But does it feel to you like there is a lot of pressure on Alex Rodrigo? I asked particularly because of the Boston feedback loop that you mentioned about seven minutes ago. Is there a potential that there is a serious Boston feedback loop on Alex? Verdoux go if he is you know hitting to forty in a mid June or something initially no. I don't I don't get that sense in part because he has been visible using singing about what who has as stress fracture in his lower vacuum for last season and from which is still recovering. He's pretty close to start in this one but he hasn't been he's no he's not he's not going to be in Games. Lma couple of days so by virtue like he's there there's not a microscope eye- were when you can put someone on the slide. They can't be under my concern so for now. There's there is not. I think that certain will be considerable. Amount of scrutiny to his performance actually is on the field right now. I I would say that most of the notion. No one is selling Alex. Verdoux go as eager worm Which helps I do think that he will become a little bit more nuanced in how to approach a hundred percent. What about the pressure on Kevin Pillar who is signed job Or at least to the four th outfielder to hopeless onto is viewed when I win for do not available but from what. I've I've been told by people who know him from his time with the dodgers like Virginia. Actually a person who really relishes. Onfield challenges. Who who really rights attention writes it. Spotlight scrutiny. Ends tends to perform better fat so I. I think that he's like he's been asked about in that question them out like you know. Will there be any pressure to remove easy faces pressure like going to a new market just traded a lot of not just traded lot. No in order to Norbert Fire Hymns World Series. So from everything that I've that I've heard about for Daego. People think that he's actually a pretty good on field match to the scrutiny of Boston yields software High expectations has kind of portering. Parking to gain Tends to big may be helpful in terms of dealing will those kinds of expeditions if he performs poorly and of course you know go about us to be elevated somewhat by the twenty five of them up an injury the entire organization. Robson softens notches on Hank. One place where we have seen a little bit of scrutiny. Going INTO THAT TRADE. I mean obviously was heavily scrutinized trade but specific to Redo go. He is a guy who has had throughout his career. Some makeup off field concerns and I'm curious how the team I know that it has been addressed by the organization publicly but I'm curious how they're talking about those issues and if he were a little bit surprised maybe see him as the centerpiece of this deal given those concerns. What he came up I definitely was more a was it was. It was no way surprising because I I've got a lot of risks to be assuming given you know given that he has been given that he's been mentioned in connection with an alleged alleged sexual assaults in one who is in the models of not having been a participant sort but having been When he was in the minor when he was in the minor leagues now questions about whether or not he did whether Matt he earning this. This is a massive allegation right. He denies it. He denies that he was aware of anything. Did Anything Michael Sexual Assault was for? Mommy denies that he was aware of red. Sub Sperm. You termed was a physical assault was going on as well says that it was mindful enough to handle that he's questions dodgers to the admissions office to make sure about love's Worm June something. That would test them in in our horrendous light in all stages V. Very wrong headed. Bob May like unacceptable. So they're the word that lag time bloom use of did they did not find the based on their diligence. They didn't find disqualifying background in. They had taken these questions seriously by. Yes there's that question right which is run by the ones in the public eye and again like I. Virginia says that like you know as as as well biking was never applicable report in having any criminal activity. That doesn't mean that it. It's great judgmental. Veneer anything bad. That happened but he says he was unaware of anything. So it's it's hard like in Orlando so anyway by Virtue. Pastorin have real questions about his. You're right there are other meet up questions related surveys Buckingham Move Ins by about effort level about whether mountains doing the right thing but before on South Poor seasons in for games and thus whether or not he would even maximizes talents and also created questions about like. Okay is this. Is this guy who you when you talk about the five years of service time that you're going to get for someone who's a very talented fire. Someone who last year was nearly above average everyday outfielder in baseball by injury concerns. Various off your concerns. That's a lot of risks to take on with regards to this touchstone trade with the red SOx nude so yeah I I think I think there's wrist it's happening here on earth Guy I think it does give a little bit of a window into the fact that time bloom is not necessarily use a risk taker like the combination of you. Go IN BRUCE. Dot Grotto as two pronged term is a high risk one. I think but I think that the red sox also nerve desire to evoke near-term sovereignty was the only player will be offered. Who's capable of being above average everyday majorly jitter in twenty twenty in probably twenty twenty one in talks surrounded? Talk more fun thing now. Which is and. I think that we are right to be skeptical of single season defensive as a rule but RAFAEL DEVERS DEFENSIVE. Metrics really turned around last year. There was concerned about him as a prospect all along the way because of the body that he might eventually have to shift a first and then some of the early returns in his major league. Career looked a little spotty but by our metrics by outs above average at stack cast. He had a pretty impressive season fields. And I'm curious what changes if any led to that SORTA turnaround and what you're expecting from him from a field perspective. This year so foremost I would say that. It's you know it's exposure to the major league environment. Like I think that you know a lot of times infielders fly through the minors end up being kind of overwhelmed by the clock of the Big League game when they get there. I actually so I've I've watched never quite a bit dating back to when he was seventeen years old and are we stop it like. He had really really interesting quick feet. That would play well into being a guy will range really strong arm The accuracy of his arm was was was sometimes. Purchase in the same is probably true of the position was footwork. But you know if you if you step back from activities in the big leagues to looking at him as like. Oh this is like a terrific twenty one year old. Then you're like okay. Well let's see what he looks like at twenty two twenty three so I think that mostly experiences allowed him to have a better plot for the game and there are just natural significant gains. That have happened as a result of that. Like remember the ball in the minors Rafael Devers never played with the measly. Boa is the miners through the moves of the triple. A bottle last year and Rafael Devers for that played. Nine Games is ablaze. So the way that the ball come off the bat for ground balls in AAA AA. And you know hiding signal was well different than it was in at the major league level in a way that permits a kind of comfort. Like couple that with the fact that you have these kinds of monsters were regularly hitting one hundred ten mile an hour rockets at you in the old. I just think that the the clock of the big league game defensively especially at third base. Where you're so proximate to the To the plate takes a good while to set for a guy who's flew to the miners that he made a lot of that adjustment and allowed. Some of those strong traits will be arm and especially for in Iraq. I just calibrate a little bit better than the big league level of pretty natural progression that everyone was witnessing were these kind of promising raw materials formed into something that is not finished was certainly more than two more than we will. We'll let you get out of here on. The first is sort of a broader competitive window question. Which is you know. The Yankees are the Yankees. The rays have one of the best systems in baseball and the Blue Jays irs showing signs of their young core coming together. This team seemed to approach this off season with austerity mind. Resetting their luxury tax threshold and we can interrogate how useful a desire that is. Let's let's just take it at face value for a moment. Where does this team see itself long term in terms of its competitive landscape? And when do you think they might start to pull out that? Sturdy posture wrote the quote unquote. Austerity posture was equally. Are I think that they wanted to resent right like they're you know? They were in a position where they were maintained. Some of fifty and ninety five cents on the dollar for every dollar spent beyond the luxury tax threshold this coming year. And that they you know they they right to resent their penalty rates. In order to be able to feel better I think about their invite investments in the victory club. Roughly one out of every three years so actually answered that that part I they they reset in twenty seventeen. It got a lot of noticed at the time was quickly forgotten revised two years because they need massive investments in the aftermath of essentially the reset one year. Then they spend them to spend pretty aggressively in order vehicles around Roster right like David. Ortiz retire Acquired Chris Sale because that will allow them to eat Remaining under the luxury tax threshold within the next year JD Martinez the next year. Resign of all these signs in progress to the long-term zero so i. I think that they're probably in. This runs every three years cycle of getting under the luxury tax threshold. We'll have to see what the next. Cva Let's like shy in how that changes the incentives provincial. Stay in or get out of that cycle but I think that they like. There are additional penalties on top of the luxury tax threshold. That meant that if they were to maintain what was their twenty eighteen to twenty nine hundred levels of spending over the course of twenty twenty two twenty twenty two it would have ended up spending roughly a hundred million dollars more than if they got under. This year will return to the Priors ending levels in twenty twenty one right so like business owners care about one hundred laws. It's not around in. So there's there's that there's also a separate Which is you mentioned. The strong kind of Talon places that exist the Yankees the major league level. I'm not really the minor league level in more raise certainly with regards to both age leander upper levels of the farm system bluejays. They have a wave coming. The Red Sox did not have. We'll have some interesting upside. Plays moving into lower minute. They have a guy here agai their reach the upper levels as a as possible like an everyday guy in Navy didn't have above average every day or rotation regular pasta for the last problems so they serve need emergency back to the to their view as I'd sustainable competitiveness Reeves Zoo refilled the pipeline to jeter towns in the upper levels and for that matter lower levels by the trade of movie bats and David Price Day largely refilled with the upper levels. That is what they view are all serious needs to improve the inventory. Either Major League ready ripe for Dugo or mere major league ready with guys like you to downs in panel so I think they see themselves. Long-term as being they view themselves as being of competitors by acknowledging the engines are low on paper are of a much more impulsive projecting images this year and there was a degenerative Andres as well but I think they feel pretty good about where they were Medina Beyond or not GonNa let you get out of here without giving a prediction. So Al what. He is seeing his red SOx join. What's their record for? Twenty twenty one evacuee. We don't know how much time salesman now all right. Well okay. That's our let's see so I I had I had I had actually initially from one went ahead of where they were last year. They were eighty four. Zero is going to go in five however based on the fact that saleswoman. This is going to miss at least in my mind. I've I've kind of pegged again waiting for information on if he's missing six weeks to start the year two months than bumped down. I'm going with an eighty one winner. Judges I'll boy. Boston might burn down with that. Well you can follow along for the Boston season with Alex's writing at the Boston Globe and on twitter at Alex Spirit and you can order his book which I have read and Ken confirm his excellent homegrown. How the Red Sox built a championship from the ground up cycle. I'm sure they'll look to replicate and we'll have you back on soon. Thanks a lot. Alex right naked. Sam retyping do you does gets through. The giants went on and sixty to eighty nine. Grab cars and homes were TA and games or dissuading on two teams to now. We're going to discuss the San Francisco giants and do that. Hopefully Ryan's GONNA discuss. The giants. Cr was ready to do a very serious introduction off this one's been weighing on me all day. Make his all day. Yeah yeah tough. One Hits a tough one and to help us sort through that difficulty. We have invited friend of the PODCAST. Front all really a grant brisby of the athletic to join us and talk about some baseball grant. How are you? I'm doing very well buddy. If you can't talk about them for an hour or whatever like think about writing about them all year do you. I have I was wondering. Are you at an age now? I'm at that age and I feel like you might be. Are you in an age now where you can just kind of embrace a noncompetitive team like it's just like finally the world has quieting down and just relax in your couch and and throw all ambition aside and and just exist with a bunch of New People that you don't really know that well and like you can just embrace that like nothing's happening anymore? Yup It is. It's it's okay you know it's it's it's not so bad when they're not doing great it's a hand it's not so bad when they're not doing great Yeah let me part that I had I am under the weather so I was about to cough inside. Muted it in. So that's where the weather was pregnant pause. That was very awkward. It's not so bad when they're anyways. Yeah no I would prefer them to do well. It gets everyone more excited it gets. It's easier to write about a team. That's doing well a team that's thriving you've got your kind of feeding off of that that reader energy even if you're desperately desperately not reading the comments you still know what's there in theory and that is fun but it's also fun just to be like one of this. Mike You stransky Guy's GonNa work and then when it does a wink wink. This is fun you know. And there's no pressure there's no stakes you're not saying this guy's going to be around in an all star for five years. It's just fun and sometimes I like fun. Do you think that might be trump's? He's going to be around and in all star five years because that was like the great one of the great things about lad skiers that might stransky out hit Ronald Kunia and And like it was a huge heroic acquisition by far on and and same with Dickerson and same with Solano. Do any of those. Do you think that there's any any like lasted? I guess what I'm saying. Is that last year? There were positive takeaways during the season. Do you think that they are positive? Takeaways from last season for this season or were those little like a little chunks of cookie dough in the one milkshake. I I think that they are maybe not individually. I am not going to sit here. And say Oh. Yeah you stem ski. That guy is going to be just the glue of the twenty four giants. You you just sit and watch you know Donovan Solano. I don't remember the exact exact statistic but I think he's top ten of batting average and balls in of all time but like all time any team last year he was like four nineteen is heavy set the parameters for like two hundred plate appearances or something. He's up there top all time batting average on balls in play which probably isn't sustainable. But if you look at them like as a proof of concept that they're gonNA keep plugging people in and finding value where it it might have been a little hidden. They're going to dust off some some things from the Curio shop. I like the overall sort of. Yeah you know. They're going to try things and they generally have a pretty good idea of what makes a good baseball player compared to perhaps some of the other organizations in the League so as a whole it was encouraging. If you're going start nitpicking every individual player yet they all have their own little flaws and they were all available for reason but I think as a whole it sort of made everyone think okay. That's good work. I can see it. We coordinate our questions. We really tempted to play fast and loose on here. I don't know I don't know. I think it's perfectly fine to stumble around twenty twenty giants preview like you just. This is tyron model. Sometimes you hit Stransky. Sometimes you've got I don't know the equivalent does on the other side but Solano Yeah. He's the twelfth highest BABB SINCE THE DEAD BALL era writers in the live ball era and five of the ones ahead of him were in the nineteen twenties which was close to the baller. So seventh if you say since like the murderers row than he seventh which is one of those things where you kind of. Don't want to say it out loud to watch not a great indicator. Yeah I you know I appreciate his bat ball skills and there's a lot to like. He's good defensively versatile. Jags not GonNa do that again. All those babs from back then like they played with the like the skull of steer unpolished in everyone in the field. Think we talked about this. Last now everyone had rickets every single. Baseball player had the drops in rickets and they didn't eat vitamins in Liberia. Yes this why batting average on balls and plays so different back then because everyone was ganglion sickly but so Solano Great Greg Task. You're actually those are actual baseball questions. But can I. Can I steer US a little bit? Turn provides them staring so one thing that I think we all are curious about. Grant is your personal experience of the Gape Kappler era. And how has your life change since you were introduced to Gabe? Geffen as he made you work out with him yet. Nobody's made me work out with them. Come on I'd area. So yeah yeah well right now I do but no at first I was affected because I wrote about it and I got a lot of email messages some support of some not direct messages stuff like that and it was very much in my brain at all times now. I don't necessarily think about it. It's kind of I have the privilege to not think about it. It's it's not that comes across every time reviewing a lineup or thinking about a move the giants might make or what the batting order might be timmy. It's it's just like he's another manager right now. Insofar well you know there is one difference in that when the giants lineup is announced at Spring Training. It's very awkward. Because it's not. There's no booze really. It's just silence. And you're used to Bruce Bocce getting as loud of an ovation as like Pablo Sandoval or share hunter pence whatever. And now it's just sort of In it's a collective yeah you know and you know have heard a couple hecklers but it's generally not negative. It's just an absence of positive that that's a little strange other than that. I. I'm sure when he starts losing or if the giant unexpectedly start winning there will be a lot more discussion of the merits of one gig Adler but I mean when he got hired so much of the discussion in in what you wrote about and your immediate response to it was about the you know what he the way that he handled the salt. Case involving dodgers minor leaguers when he was in charge of the Farm System. And the you know sort of ongoing questions about that in the weather. He has demonstrated growth from that and so on. So I think that that was a lot of ways the most important conversation to have at the time and I sort of feel like lost in all that we didn't talk that much about what he is like as a manager what we've now seen from him as a manager and you know as all managers. I don't notice them that much. Over the course of the season they do thousands and thousands of of actions. That are out of my view in that I never really think about and so I don't have strong opinions about most managers. What I know about Kappler as a manager as phillies manager is that he got fired after two years and that he oversaw two teams that you know probably were considered to have underperformed and so if he weren't Gabler if it weren't a name that we knew I think people would be surprised to see that manager immediately. Get another job immediately. Get another shot. Especially if that's his only experience and so have you dug in much into his managerial style and how he did as a phillies manager in what differentiated him and whether you feel you know baggage aside whether you feel that he is like a good manager right. Yeah that's a fair question. I it does speak to his capabilities that the phillies GM. Which I don't think I've ever said this out loud Matt Cleantech. Clint cut. That's right. Okay Yeah I'm awesome. That he wanted it back he wanted. Kappler back in you know. That's the narrative at least that it was an ownership driven change the GM was totally on board and wanted to keep capital around in and also speaks to campers viability. That four hundred eighty. Who before this higher was generally in universally seen as sort of a guru sort of you know? He had his finger on something that hadn't been in San Francisco and a while that he was able to find these. These discarded gems that he was able to to reset kind of the whole minor league organization to have this newfound emphasis on patients that for whatever reason he was pushing all these right buttons in. He's a bright guy and affable guy and for whatever reason he thought Kappler was the guy to replace Bruce Bocce which is a hard job to fill that that's as beloved as a manager can be in a city and so when you're picking the replacement you want to be pretty darn sure you've got it right so he's got the backing of two. Pretty Smart Baseball Smarty Pants and when I dig into his style. I'm not sure how much to make of it. Because one of the things that's eighty said in his sort of a giant postmortem at the end of the year before we knew it was Kappler but Andy bagger elite. My colleague was listing and said Oh this sounds like Kappler and he said you know we're going to look at some managers who have maybe done this before with with limited success who might have learned from their mistakes and Kappler is very. He talks about the mistakes. He might have made where he came into it. Full Analytical Full Gist. Let's go let's. Let's do this by the numbers I can convince anyone. I can make a believer anyone just based on the numbers being right and then he realize well I got to back off on that just a little bit because these are humans you know he. He gave the sort of come to. I don't know what the opposite of Bill James's come to come to baseball as a moment where he said. Okay I need to get these guys to buy in to what I'm selling and I can do that was stats but I can also do that. With sort of individual approaches figuring out how to communicate with these guys in so he feels at the end of his phillies tenure that he was communicating a lot. Better and going by the stats and and doing this. Sort of thing where he's a new job sabre manager and he believes that he's found a balance right now whether or not that's the case it's the dream to have that Dallas. So whether or not he. He's done that. This remains to be seen. I will note that in the spring. The giants have been really wildly aggressive on the basis tagging up from second to third. No Fly Ball Taken off seconds when there's a ball in the dirt really really aggressive and I don't know if that's just a spring thing or if it's GonNa last but it's been fun to wash spring so this team last year kind of found itself in the awkward position of having a pretty good record around the trade deadline. They were famously reticent to undecided not to Trade Madison Bumgarner and then they did the thing that we all Kinda thought they would do which is not make the postseason in the second half so they were trying to learn something about themselves last year and now they're in a position where I think they're probably you know the the front offices. Understanding of their competitive position is probably in line with ownerships understanding. And so everyone is clear eyed and this is a season where they're going to also try to find out some stuff and they have a number of young dudes on the roster and then some pieces that are clearly not can be part of the next competitive giants team grant. What is like the most important thing for this twenty twenty giants team to find out about itself as it's looking ahead to? Its next competitive window. Good question I would say that. It's it's mostly how to fold in the next generation because this is that transition year where you're GONNA have Elliott Ramadan. Enjoy Bart in a perfect world jelly. You'RE GONNA try to fold them in to maybe contribute to a twenty twenty one team. That's going to contend. I don't know if you can guarantee that. The twenty twenty one giants will contend. It might be a little optimistic bud. They have a lot of young talent in some of it will be in. The upper miners have a fair amount of money to spend with Crawford Belt and some Arja. Their money's coming off the books after twenty twenty one. They might get a jump on that spending before they leave. You have in the recent history baseball starting with like the nationals. When they were so bad that could draft Strasbourg and Harper. And you saw that wave of talent coming and then it was sort of a year early. And that's been the pattern. I think with the cubs the astros the braves the twinned where you see that that crest prospects is sort of common up and you're pointing to and go a high that's GonNa come soon and then all of a sudden you're just soaked in prospects and fun and they're winning a year ahead of schedule. That's like the best case scenario for the giants so if that even has a remote chance of happening it's definitely not the likeliest scenario but if it has a chance they're going to figure out the players in their minor league system that they can count on for next year whether that's Joey Barred Jelly Ramos. Anyone in everyone who can help. They're just figuring out how fold them in this year as organically as possible. Remember Ben wrote a piece a number of years ago about teams with old lineups and I believe he found that the teams that had the oldest lineups in the league. It was usually either. They were in a really good spot like they were the favorites that like their players were all mature and awesome or they were in really bad. Spot and giants last year had the oldest average hitter age in baseball. Despite being you know theoretically semi rebuilding. And they're going to be really old this year too. If you just for the most part they've still got Posey and bell and Crawford and Longoria who are all in their mid thirties and the breakouts last year the you know the quote unquote young breakouts. Last year were like Stransky is going to be twenty nine and Dickerson is going to be thirty and hunter pence's back and there's another thousand years worth of players that I haven't even named they're very old and I assume I mean you know not not. I assume it is a fact that a goal of this next few years for the giants will be to get to the far side of that leaderboard into one of the youngest teams at the end of this. How long is it GonNa take to to get young? Do you think given who they have in. Sort of what the organizational depth is. What do you envision it being like for the next couple of years? It's not gonNA be so easy to get young because other than Bart in other than awesome outfielders. I'm not seeing a shortstop third baseman First Baseman who you can plug in for twenty twenty one and say oh. Yeah that guy's GonNa be ready. I don't worry about that so you you bought Longoria some time Crawford a little bit of time belt a little bit of time. Crawford might be the closest to getting replaced because Marie Soo do von does play a competent shortstop and that transition is probably gonNA start taking place this year. Where you're GONNA see on it in there a lot against tough left-handers and then it might be. If he's doing well enough you might see it sort of progress to all left-handers and and then if you see it progress a little bit while he's in for some right handers to. They're trying to make him into this neo. Chris Taylor where he's he's in center field is in second he's he's a short but I also think that there's an opportunity for him if he's hitting well to sort of quietly assimilates shortstop position and that that might work Crawford. I don't see anything on the horizon for Longoria for belt with Posey pretty obvious. You've got Bart right there. It's going to be up at some point this year unless something really screw happens injury wise or performance wise so you can see that transition. That's going to start to take place and it's it's not a bad thing when you have two catchers to fight for playing time because you want as much as possible but it's not gonna be an overnight thing we're just like you wake up. Wow everyone's twenty-five it's it's GonNa take it you know it's not just the legacy players that don't have necessarily the best guys to to fill in for those legacy players just yet and I mean. Is it your expectation that Posey and belt and Crawford and Longoria will all finish their contracts as giants that like? There's not a sense that they're a month and a half of you know like one hot month and a half away from being traded or anything like that. I could definitely see belt getting traded especially with the fences coming in and more importantly for belts coming down. You know he's not going to have to hit over a seventy eight foot high wall or whatever to get it out right center at least two to the deepest part of Right-center so I can see you know. He looks great this spring. I could see his numbers being superficially better. Last year was down year by any metric. I could see him getting back to the level. He was before that where. If you adjusted for Ballpark he was pretty darn okay. And if the giants enough money it's not like he's making thirty million he's he's he's under twenty and if the giant some of that. I could definitely see him helping a team. That has a need that comes up with an injury or a disappointing performance. You know I've always. I've been putting him on the Yankees for like three years now. It's like come on. Yeah he's just here to take the belt. Let them free. He's he's his feathers too. Bright for this cage. Come on come on. Just take a ticket brandon bell so I can see that finally happening this year Crawford not so much. I don't think there's that magic combination of we will pay this down for a better prospect Longoria. He's under contract. I think for three more years which is hard to believe. Posey'S GONNA stick around until he basically forces a trade. I don't see him going anywhere while he's under contract. So belt would be a yes. Longoria probably Crawford probably not in Posey pretty much no way. I'll talk about Bart for a second because you say he's come up this year and I'm curious you expect his timeline to look clearly the service time consideration. Because he's not going to be a contending team and I imagine they're reticent to start his clock but also he you know he was injured like in the fall rate. So how has he looked in spring so far and Wendy? I think that we might see him in San Francisco. He looked good in the spring. As far as you can see his in Game Bauer. I do think that the giants will bring them up whenever they think that he's ready to assume a starting job. I don't think they're going to Dick around with the service time of you know they haven't done that in the past a notes a new front office but it hasn't necessarily been their mo it certainly hasn't come from ownership so it's going to be when he's ready to starter the end. I do believe that there's enough concern with his hit tool that you don't want to jump on that right away we're talking. I don't know a hundred two hundred at bats above able. He wasn't so great in a ball he had an extended slump in San Jose and there was some concern that the second or third time around the colleague that some pitcher some coaches sorta new where they should pitch him when he got to the Eastern League. Everyone forgotten you. Start drinking again to get to the Arizona Fall League and they're not necessarily going on in-depth Scouting report so they might not have known but once you get the book on them. I don't know maybe he someone you can you can pitch to. I don't know if that's the case but the giants do want to figure this out before they just throw them in there like ear. Magsino you are the starting catcher forever. Just you know figure out how to hit while you're up there and I'm pretty sure they don't WanNa do that. And I'm sorry if I poked at an open wound with the the Mike Zito comparison. But that's sort of what people are warning about Joey. Bart. I'm curious. So there's there's that situation and then there is this outfield logjam probably too strong. But how do you see the the outfield for this team? Sorting itself out in two thousand twenty. Because when you and I have talked off line in our super secret communications where I ask you to that. The rest depth charts. You've indicated there might be some moving around out there. Tell us about the moving around out there. Grant it's GonNa be it's GonNa be of very very. They're going to be open to a lot of different permutations I think that Alex dickerson hunter pence or sort of mirror images of each other where you have concerns about them. Getting four hundred plate appearances. You have concerns about them. Getting two hundred plate appearances. But you sort of hope you're GONNA get three hundred from both of them and you're going to maximize those plate appearances to to maximize their strengths. And so I I see them as two components of like one piece dickerson pants. You know might not be a strict platoon of just those two guys. But in another more cosmic sense yeah. Shirts basically strict platoon Yastrzemski. They're going to use is like a roving utility full-time starter. So he might be in Centerfield. Sometimes he's going to be in right field. Allot the opponent left when they need to. You know he's probably going to be in the lineup unless he really start to struggle in this season against left. Handed pitching overall. I think they're they believe that he can help. Whether it's on the basis whether it is in the field that he's generally an overall solid player in so many aspects that he's going to be out there almost every day and that leaves that sort of floating you know whoever's going to be the third outfielder because you're not gonNA have dickerson and pence start at the same time. So is it going to be Billy Hamilton? At Center it could be released. If taken a shine to him in spring training. It might be someone like Austin slater where he's really doesn't have much to prove in triple eight east consistently raked in. Triple A. is that approach. Ever GonNA play enough for him to be a starting corner outfield in in the majors. Probably not but you might see a lot of them because it did for until like September. Last year he looked good he had like a. Ogsm nine hundred but he looked good until he just completely fell into a canyon in September. So you're going to have those guys. Jalen Davis might be up. Stephen Duggar he's kind of like the projected starter in center. You just don't know what you're GONNA get for him. Even before he was hurt last year he was one of the all-time worst offensive outfielders in giants history. Which is like not the greatest bullet point on your Lincoln. So they've got options. They're going to take a look at Elliot Romo's he's he's on the shelf with an oblique tweak but he might be someone who if he's just totally raking and and moving up levels you might see him in July instead of September? You might see them take a chance on on him sooner rather than later depending on on all this stuff so it's very very pliable. Just they've got so many different ways to plug it in. You can just basically count on trump's keep getting a lot of playing time and Pinson dickerson as much as their bodies. Well now see it you said that Dickerson in Pennsylvania Mirror images of each other and my my brain thought will hundred Penza very distinctive looking human being so that seems crazy and I know what you mean but I have a brain that works in a funny way and you look Alex Dickerson early. This is less different than I expected it to be. He's got he's got a little goof- goofed. Grace Goof and I mean a positive way. He's Oh yeah we're on this back east slightly awkward and all the right ways and yet there's a lot there's a lot of penske similarities where last year it was like. Hey this is like dollar store pence. We got them so now. They've got both completed. The set okay granted. I have two more questions for you before we pursue to predict a record for this team. So I'm I'm previewing. That question which I know you knew was coming by. Just WanNa give you time to think about it while you're answering other stuff. The first of which is that. This team did something. A Little Ole nifty while we can decide if we think it's nifty earlier this off season when they they did some trades with they did a trade with the angels and they acquired as part of that trade the angels of Schroeder from US Joe Wilson. And I'm curious if you think that this is GonNa be if these sort of trades are going to be part of their strategy to continue to supplement young talent around the guys that they already have in their farm system. Should we expect more business? Thinks it just makes so much sense. The giants are they. Don't have a two hundred million dollar payroll right now. Because they can't afford it they they have a payroll below that because they just aren't GonNa Start Slapping veterans on this team. And pretend like it's normal so when you have that sort of surplus why not sort of by a prospect. It's it's such a novel idea. Few teams actually do it and I will say that after. I believe. It's after the twenty twenty one season have in front of me but there's one year where it just opens up and all that's on the payroll. Is Evan Longoria? Yeah and it's like. Oh you know. That's it'll be once the race. Subsidies factored in like fifteen million is what they're gonNA. Oh Evan Longoria and they're gonNA have US effectively one hundred eighty five million dollars to spend and I mean that's a little simplistic but they will have all this excess cash in. It's not like you can just go to Costco in lump all the best players into a car like that's just not possible even if they did. WanNa come they might not be available? It's just so hard to spend the all in one all season on everyone. That's GonNa make the team the franchise better for the years to come in exactly the blueprint. You've detailed they're gonNA spend on one free agent to free agent some really good free agents. But they'll still have someone that surplus in even if the minor leaguers start coming up at the pace that's expected. I would anticipate them. Maybe using some of that excess cash to pay. Give us your will Wilson. We'll take reads cards Coz Art okay sure and we'll just release him right afterward I mean that's that's gotta be the plan if you have all that excess cash in an ownership group that seems to believe in your vision. Yeah in twenty twenty one smarter. Become a free agent Kevin Gals Manner Smiley Pence Tony Watson and then the year after that belts Crawford and Tyler Anderson. Come off the books. Oh Tyler Anderson the summer try anything at all and then they have club options on quite oh. Posey and warmer floor as in that year which we imagine will not be exercised. I was GONNA say that. Wilson's like the free sample. But that's not true because they had to take covert get him so. This is not a free sample at all. He's very expensive sample. This is going off. You're costco analogy so goes the time share owned. We'll Wilson's like the Nice vacation. Yeah yes that part's true. So with that sort of look ahead to their free agent situation in mind. I'm curious how you think of this team positions in its own division because obviously they continue to have to deal with the dodgers they. Have you know a sort of resurgent? D-backs team they have a Padres Team. That is willing to spend money in a really deep farm the giants they WANNA bunch of world series in the last decade. But some of those maybe a little bit lucky so. I'm curious how they sort of see themselves progressing in division that has one heavyweight is probably primed to have a couple more when it's all said and done although they continue to get to play against the rocky so they have that going for them. Do they do except they still have to? Of course veiled which is entirely brutal. Yeah I really honestly believe their template is to be the dodgers dodgers north to spend like the dodgers to develop like the dodgers to be the dodgers that is their goal and it might not be quite they might not people to pull it off to that. Extreme they might. So if they want to re-sign their version of Clayton kershaw Kenley Jansen and Justin Turner. They might say okay. We'll just we can't afford all three. So we will sign Clayton Kershaw in Justin Turner or Kenley Jansen. And just you know. They'll they'll have to mix and match when it comes to those huge huge huge contracts to keep the familiar place around otherwise. I think that's the template day they're going to want to be in the middle of every free discussion. They're going to want to have such an incredibly viable pipeline. That they're not going to need. Every last free agent that comes down they would like to be in the discussion for Garrett Cole also being like the dodgers and and not overbidding or or playing their hand to to get him. I think that's the template and they have the resources they have the money. They've got this huge real estate development. That going up around the Ballpark. That should be an infusion of cash. The BALLPARK's paid off. They want to be the dodgers in the commitment of the ownership. Society's vision was. I really believe that they said okay. Just burn it down the way you see fit build it back up and then we can start spending in being like those jerks down south. When do you think will be the first year they actually have a better record than the dodgers? 'cause it has not happened in seven years even though they were winning world series. Do you think that they have? I mean if you had to bat would you bet they will finish ahead of the dodgers more than once in the next decade. Yeah I would say so. I would say you get enough lead time. They're they're GONNA start trading body posed with them. I you know once you start to get the dodgers. Maybe there's going to be one of these years for the not spitting out only stupid prospects fully formed in. You know maybe that happens. One of the. Isn't that part of the dodgers? That's part of being the dodgers's spitting out stupid prospects fully-funded but the giants are supposed to do this in this scenarios. I'm the voice of optimism. Here I could see them once. They're fully a fully functional death star. Yes they're going to have prospects to compete with the dodgers. They're going to have the financial resources to compete. For the dodgers. I would rather be the giants in the giants position than the padres in that might see. I know there's a padres fan right now. He's just punching his computer or phone and I don't mean that like a rude way I just see the padres are. They built up this incredible depth in their organization. But at some point they're not gonna be able to spend quite as much as their rivals. It's the hospital Machado that they've really sort of tried to prepare for this moment but I don't know how many of those are going to have left especially if they perform like Air Costner's performed like there might be some reticence from ownership group whereas I see the giants once they get going if they get going being just a tiny bit more sustainable. And maybe maybe. I'm just being a little bit too optimistic about their financial resources. Once they get going but I don't I don't think so I don't know Babe. Ruth has the all time record for highest in the live ball. Era Really playing back. And he would you know squid. I too many records. That guy had too many records. He's getting records that are not in his category. He's a time traveler hoax all right. I think we're ready predictions. He's a hoax. I I'm only big. I don't I don't believe that I don't think that's on the up and up. Yeah I've case before. I think it was a hoax that got out of hand and and then people over the years forgot that they knew that it was a hoax. And now it's it's a legend that we think is true. Yes but that's a that's a different episode on one. I'd be interested in recording what you have to wait 'til bengals vacation again. So hey grant. How many games are the giants winning? I'm GONNA go forty. They're going to look forty. Forty forty and forty eight because of all the Games cancelled because of quarantines and stuff. Oh Jeez Yeah No. I'm just I'm feverish right now. Then I'm not. It's not baseball fever. It's like a literal fever. So how many times have you touch base since we've possible? Stop I would like to say I have had the exact opposite experience of it. Sounds like both of you and also the whole world where I was told. You need to stop touching your face by the. Cdc and I went. Well I'll never do it. I touched my face constantly. All the time never stop. I love to touch my face and I just stopped and it's been wonderful. I have never felt stronger. More empowered. I have an issue on my nose and I just don't scratch it and it goes away and I feel like I have cracked the code. This is the first thing in my life that I felt good at damn. Wow Yeah I'd do flights in the whole time it's like don't touch your face. Don't touch your face on my foot in my mouth like I I just. I'm not good at it at all. I Yeah I mean like my purchase has been to wash my hands constantly because I know I'm GonNa fail at the not touching my face thing so probably gonNA lose all the skin on my hands and then it's like. Is that helpful? This is a great thing to joke about. We're going to look back in like A. We can be like. That was a mistake. So everyone joking. We're we're raising awareness. Though because I feel like like my my pride maybe on the line here. Where does the face start because I have? I do still put my hand on my neck. Kinda under the sort of the base of my Chin. So there's no contact with the ridge of the Chen but like I'm still leaning on my neck so it's in the area but I'm not touching my fate. That's okay right like you. Just have to keep it away from the fluid zones work is free like just stay away from those orifices black or horrify black bear orifices orifices or Porpoises Anyway Grand. But my prediction is going to be would I'm trying to do math. Seventy Ninety two. So I think they'll win. Seventy two so seventy four in eighty eight. That is my prediction. Will people can follow you. I'm sure that everyone who listens to this podcast In case you don't he's on twitter at Grant. Brisby you can find his writing at the athletic grant. Thanks for hanging out. Stop touching your face Taman Betterman. Thank you all right. That'll do it for today and that'll do it for this week. Thank you for listening. You can support effectively wild on PATRIAE GOING. 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Eastern Conference Outlook w/ Blake Murphy

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Eastern Conference Outlook w/ Blake Murphy

"Welcome to another edition the premium who spied cast. I am your host mark schindler as always before we get started. If you've not already please be sure rate and review us over on apple podcasts. That really helps us with growing this thing. Expanding on getting some more exposure We always wanna hear feedback. Get your thoughts on what we're doing and how we can make it better taylor at more to you but we have some really exciting stuff. I mean we just put out our offseason perspectives. Podcast covering every single team with team. Experts will definitely go. Check that out. Those a pretty hefty fun process so Nate is not with us today. While he's he's still alive don't worry but he currently has cogan feels like crap so he is not going to be on the pod today but i'm really psyched to be joined by one of the writers. I really look up to. Who does some fantastic work Blake murphy from the athletic covering the toronto raptors Blake how're you doing today man. Good man how are you. I'm good. I can't complain. We're about to get a snowstorm in ohio. So i'm a. I'm currently just qiuping hoping my power doesn't go out. But how are things on your own then Rainstorm here. It's surprisingly not cold enough for all this rain to turn to ice just yet we did have one pretty good snowfall and then it went back to being warm. So it's very like not wintry in canada yet. Which is a this is usually around the time that changes so i look forward to all this rain being ice very shortly. Yeah definitely so. I guess the first question i gotta ask you before we jump into what we're doing today. How how much did you enjoy your talk with the aron baynes fan club. Because we've had him on the pod before very fortunate to be one of the six hundred sixty six followed. So what was your experience like talking to him. And how excited are you for him to be part of the raptors twitter sphere now. Yeah it was great it was. He does such a great job with that account and like. I've always been a fan of the account since it came up. And obviously you know. I follow enough celtics people in an nba. People have seen it and it was always one of those things. Where like you know as a full-time being it was. It was funny but it was funny on one offs right like i don't need that much aron baynes in my time line when the sun's but now these in toronto it's perfect and like you know after after i spoke to him for that story i like shot him some of the best pictures i had saved that i think might be useful for him for future. Memes bret hart and a raptors jersey. You'll he hits the for me. It's great because like i'm a. I'm a wrestling guy. And people roll their eyes when i work wrestling references in and he's just like full bore like no. No everything is going to have a wrestling references. Very excited to be a part of it and hopefully get the bounce. Some things off of them and You know i did that story on them. But i'd i'd hope at some point. He comes on the podcast or something after aron baynes is first of many forty point nights. Oh yeah i mean. We're expecting a lot of them. I think yeah i mean. That's a perfect launching point to to go in and talk about the raptors right away so what we're going to be doing today i we're just kind of looking at it. We're not gonna look at every single team because exotic take too much time. We're gonna look like kind of the playoff contenders and where they're at in. Did they improve. Did they lose something where they at. And why so. I think you know in looking at the raptors. Obviously mentioning earned baynes projected to be the new starting center. Alex len affiliate backup to chris. Boucher resigned as well on a new deal I think just right off the bat for me. The raptors definitely lost something This offseason a loss. Logan punch market all answer baca What are your thoughts kind of. Just right away on both of them heading out toronto. After being part of the championship team and you know what they brought last year Kind of how that that hole's going to be filled. Yeah it's tough when the raptors got coli Two years ago. It was kind of something that i said at the stars. Like look you know this is all in push and those all in pushes. Sometimes come with what i have. Come to call legacy costs Which is you know it's in less. You've built a long-term title contender. You know quietly have one year left on. His deal is very likely that he was gonna leave. And then you're going to have to not rebuild from rubble but like you're gonna have to take a step back. There's gonna be a couple of transition years you'd have to figure out what to do. The bucket and ghazal does lower age. does he. not age al Family g grow. And i think you know the fact that last year has been dragged out so long as maybe eroded some of the patients for that and to the raptors credited during the regular season last year they outperformed expectations. So i think people may be lost not lost sight of like having quite but like that. This always set up a transitional period. Now i certainly understand that people who feel that too much is left riding on twenty twenty one free agency the way things line right now where fred. Pascal and malachi. Flynn are the only players under contract for twenty twenty one you know. I don't think it ojea sentence going to get done to maintain a the most possible cap flexibility next offseason. And the people who you know that that doesn't feel right to them and i get that so Now i mean i guess it's tough because i get why people don't love consecutive unsexy off seasons but like it was always going to be this way they haven't had cap space yet to to kind of re tooling and it's about shifting more and more of the responsibility to the younger guys as they enter their early prime years and seeing what that ceiling looks like. Yeah that's a great point. I mean i think just coming from a non raptors perspective. I mean messiahs always been pretty. Open that the you know even into that championship window years different. Because they got a y. But i mean that entire time. With with the rosen. Lowery and all those teams with dwayne casey actively. I mean thought that they weren't trying to win but messiah always active been looking to. Okay what can we do to become that championship team. Are we going to tear down. How are we going to figure out. And they just kept getting better I think i don't want to say telegraphed but like he's never really come out and been like. Oh yeah we're going to go for it all this offseason and i think it like you're mentioning with legacy costs with salt. Lake do really. It's not even a risk. But you like you're mentioning. Those guys probably wanted long-term deals early bachan did I don't he didn't end up getting one. But i mean do you end up overpaying those guys loose on your flexibility or do you just kind of say okay. Well if we want to get back to that spot we have to make some changes and just kinda suffer the consequences a little bit. Yeah and that's you know it's not an easy decision to make i. I understand it's You know you you have to. There's a lot that goes into that and ceo baca had been willing to do what baines in boucher ambery bambi did with this larger non-guaranteed second year that doesn't guarantee until a couple days after the moratorium ends. You had of willing to do that. I could see the raptors having gone to like fourteen fifteen sixteen million because such a valuable trade chip but i also completely understand a bacha not wanting to be negotiated with where part of the conversation is about turning into a trade chip You know and sometimes these relationships just end right like like obama had a really good stint hair. You don't use pretty safely. Played himself into like probably top fifteen raptor of all time in terms of performance even with a shorter stint and then also like how much the fans love him Any sometimes sometimes. That stuff ends. And i i think you know. The gazelle one's a little more interesting because he did time for the minimum and it makes me question if the raptors really made much rerun at all on one year deal But also like if this gazelles last season before he heads back to spain. Like signing on with the lakers is a pretty a pretty savvy approach. And it's great. We're gonna get casale against the buck on the playoffs. Maybe it'll be. That'd be a lot of fun that will be really funny So i think Another thing to point out even just looking at the bigs. I mean you wrote a really good article that came out today on what the rotation might look like in kind of projecting that out I think it was funny because last year like you. You mentioned the article. They started off with not a lot. Adapt you know and Throughout the year guys really grew in the rotation like rhonda house. Jefferson was one of my favorite kind of surprise guys. Lascaux is really didn't understand the nets letting him go still surprised he's not signed. Exactly that's one thing where i've been very confused on. Why hasn't been signed because he was fantastic coming in and playing for the raptors this last year. But i mean guys you can look at it like okay i think maybe they developing a rotation guy especially considering raptors ninety five is probably the best development track record league team in the league I mean malcolm miller who's been there pretty much forever. It seems like now is really the time he's gonna get a chance to step in. Paul watson looks really good last year in in some stretches. I mean there are like you can squint new like okay. I see guys being built up. Who is there like one guy that you think would maybe pop a little bit more this year. That or somebody who is under the radar that you're you kinda fat expectations for going into next year. Yeah mean watson's a fun one. That's like way down the board. Because he is this like of development success story and like not in the like the raptors have had a bunch of them. Obviously but watson was like spent two years in the next g. League system was like an average issue g league player and then suddenly gets in the raptors and actually even started before that he was part of that g legally team that went and played overseas and john me nine oh five coach was their coach and was like he went back to the ninety five. Gm gave me this guy. Like i think he's assistant fit and then point shooting took this enormous step forward. And you know it's funny because he checks raptors boxes like He's overage prospect slapped on smaller school works out. With rico hines in the off season like he just has all of these raptors things about him So i like him. He's on a two way. So i don't know that he's gonna play a ton of minutes out of the gate but i do think you know if there's a guy the average fan doesn't know on the raptors that could op- it's him more like higher up the chain. I'm really excited for. Oh jeez season yeah. I just think he flashed a lot in terms of offensive stuff from the skill side before the hiatus and then when the team was healthier in the relaunch many opportunities but he still had an occasional run a pick and roll and pull up in the elbow or across the guy up strand guy out at the end of the clock and pull up for three or beat a guy going left to the rim. He showed some of those things and obviously. There's a huge difference between doing it once in a while. I'm doing it regularly. But he's a guy especially if they let him go to our faa next summer you know finding out if he can jump from fourteen fifteen percent usage to like seventeen eighteen percent usage. That's the difference between you. Know your your. Dra bembry or obviously oh. Jeez defensive upside is higher but like that caliber like three d. is a very broad Description and if you can become you know as robert covington is he a little more than robert covington zia less than robert covington covington's kind of the ideal three d role guy at ten million a year. Or so. you know. Obviously oh jeez gonna make more than that because of his age and where the market's gone but like that that's kind of what you're trying to figure out with. His usage is like can you run some place for him. Can you create for himself and others a little bit or a spot up and defense which is totally fine and you know. He's an elite role player in that role but if he has a little more offensive juice to you know we saw what some other guys a older than him in a little less on. The defensive end got paid this summer in a year. we're very few teams had gap space. And i think you know part of a. I think they're not gonna get an extension done mostly because of the raptors catchy. But i also think if you're in your clutch you're sitting there and like wow joe harrison davis bertans and those kind of guys got this kind of money and jeremy grant you know. Og shows some offensive progression. What what are we talking about for a contract for him and obviously are faced with a little different but still i think i think it's a huge huge development year for him as a as offense creator rather than just a play finisher. Yeah definitely and i think the the hype train. I'm on is open and beginning post game because it his posters terrible last year but the the footwork. He showed in kind of improving that a little bit. Every you know every like two or three games. I'd watch there'd be like just one little pop that look nice. I think the improvements. He's made his ball handler been huge. So i'm here's a nice little like the corner a tiny into a post up. I know the kind of moves your taiba and like the finishing hasn't been there on those moves yet but like he's got the hard part down now it's just not rushing it when you get here. Yeah a lot of really good things to watch for I really liked the young guys or abroad in. I mean i'm friends with a ton of draft twitter people and they love malachi and jalen harris so obviously the raptors drafted well. And we'll see how they look on court. Freddie's obviously back which was huge considering the teams that were potentially going to make a run adam and offer the bag I think kind of flows into the next thing that i want to talk about right away. Who the raptors lost two in the eastern conference. Semis the boston have no memory of that. You have no memory. I wish i had no memory of it. It was a really good series but yeah obviously the boston celtics. Add canadian tristan thompson. An jeff teague But lose gordon hayward so i think very clear. Drop off Because gordon hayward is an incredible player regardless of what contracts got obviously. I don't think he's a thirty million dollar player I'm not sure charlotte's gonna think that in a year and a half either But just in regards to that since you were following this you re so closely. How much do you think tristan thompson really moves the needle for them and this is. I'm just trying to be objective with this. I obviously cover the pacers. So i have a soft spot for miles. Turner but I think tristan thompsons are really nice. Player he's been part of some championship teams but he slowed down the last couple of years. He's not the same. Switch guy that i think people still picture Still really good player. I think he's definitely a little bit better than daniel ties. But you look at what. The celtics were really lacking in terms of rim protection and Just having real sizing on the inside interest in brings some of that size. But i just don't know how much of an upgrade that really is over. Daniel ties so i struggled to say that they even held path. I would say that. If you lose gordon hayward you definitely get worse. Yeah and i think what was clear in the raptor series versus how the celtics looked with hayward obviously didn't materialize in the heat series. But you know they start to have some of the same problems that the raptor side in terms of half court shot creation. And obviously you know. Tatum played better in the bubble than Past outcome did jaylen. Brown is a little further along in that regard. Then kyle sorry then. Ojea nobias and you combine kyle. Kyle had the better series overall but more of a scoring threats so You know even with all of those advantages. They still struggled in the half and that was an unbelievable defensive series. But that's what you're gonna mess with hayward right and i think it's you know it's evident in how they drafted that they. They're worried about the to like air. Naismith is I'm not super high on him. But one thing he does is move off the ball and get himself in in in situations to shoot. I'm not peyton pitcher guy either. I didn't think that's a very good draft. I did not either. Yeah so you know. I think there's concerns there. An interest in tristan has quietly like improved a lot as a playmaker to where i think he can fit their offensive identity. And i think the nice thing with him is that you know if they wanna close again. I'm with you. I like daniel ties. I i didn't think he was bad You know. I thought he was a huge factor in the series against the raptors where he played the rapper centers and like obviously casale was a shell at that point offensively but thais won that match up. So i'm not you know crazy worried about it. for the celtics. But i think tristen you know. I i do wonder and this is always slippery with any older player. Who has a track record in new situation like. I do wonder how much tristan's defensive slippage was. Just taking the foot off the gas because the cavs were so bad the last couple of years in like do you really want to put it all on the line to increase this team from nineteen to twenty three wins Notice well enough to to know that. But i could definitely see him having like like him hitting the floor in having one more really good defensive year where he can be that switch you guy maybe not five position but maybe like three or four five and then because everyone else on the celtics is so switch switching that really opens things out by having you know a guy who can switch or five and keep you a little bigger But in within the same philosophy so i think he could be useful in that regard But yeah like the shot. Creation is just going to take a step back when the hayward and you it's it'll be interesting to see how stevens tweets the offense because one of the things that the celtics did so well last year and one of the reasons they were matchup problem for toronto was they had three guys who were eightieth percentile isolation players or better. And you know you don't wanna lean on that too much and it's not the most aesthetically pleasing but having a couple of guys that you can go to to just like get a bucket in tough situations you. That's really hard to defensively game plan for and there aren't a lot of teams like the raptors who have four plus defenders on the floor at all times you can really take advantage of some teams when you have that much individual shock creation. I think that's gonna take a big step back so they've got a kind of hope. Bet that defense is a top five defense. I think 'cause. I don't think dolphins will be quite as good in less. Tatum just tastes like a continues to take this kind of stratospheric rise. Yeah yeah definitely. I think i still think there'll be a top fourteen premiums. I don't wanna say easily. That's the weird prime and we'll get through with route. But i think the the the middle the middle of the east kind of slimmed down a little bit or like the middle kind of It changed ups. We had the bucks. Were way up here last year forever. I can't believe that. I'm using my hands to show stuff because nobody listening can understand what i'm doing. So the bucks were like on their own to your last year obviously historic in the regular season. I think you have the raptors right behind them. And then the celtics were kinda right in there. Almost at their own tier there were kind of inbetween And they've fallen down a little bit now along with the raptors to have more of a solid middle tier. I feel like And then of course the bottom of the is risen up a little bit too. Which i think is different as well I don't know. I think the celtics will be good. But it's just the way the everything worked out with the hayward sign and trade was was whacking me. I don't know what your thoughts were. I I was almost convinced it was a done. Deal to to indiana just based on the reporting that we were hearing Him wanting to indiana from from everything we know and then charlotte just out of nowhere. I mean that was I remember getting that notification on my phone. I was like oh my god. Unlike the stretching to that's a. I think that will come back to haunt them. I know that yeah. They don't look given where the celtics have been the last couple of years and where the hornets were on their competitive time line. I don't know that spending fifty plus million on rozier and hayward was the right strategy you know and then that's before accounting for the eating the tomb contracts. So that's a that's that's another one nine million a year for the next couple years. That's yeah exactly. I mean it was it almost made me feel like i know that you have to clear up the money obviously to make it work but it's almost lake find some other way to do it because if you can just eat the rest of the tunes contract this year. Just be like okay. Well he's an expiring. Maybe we can move him for the trade deadline but like to to to wave in stretch somebody who isn't expiring like that's just. This was bad cap management. And that's again it's like it's my new show. You know it's small stuff You you make mistakes like that routinely and then that's when you become a bad organization I i'm definitely interested to see how that works out sneakily. I'm excited to wash earlier this year. I think they'll be kind of fun. I mean there'll be interesting. I don't know that they'll be good. Oh yeah oh trust me. I'm not going to be good. But i think they will be a fun team to watch. Plus they have the best jerseys in the league now and like. Pj washington cool. Bridges is cool. They've got some look. Just get cool. Players is the is the the devante graham school it just you know coup players and not not put them around a thirty to thirty five million gordon hayward that's yeah exactly so we'll see how that works out and then the last would have on the celtics like we mentioned pain pritchard and i think that was the biggest shock of the draft. Everybody other than doke buki for me was also major shock draft that road on that so so confusing to me but i wonder what your thoughts on like you know analysts and people watching league. Some of the smartest people i know. Obviously none of none of those people saw Even sniffing the first round and of course the celtics saw something and they took in. And i'm hopeful for them to work out for him. It will work alex. You never want to see somebody fail but I just always wonder like how how can to separates. Is this the coming from the same place view things so differently you know. I think that's because there was just a consensus. Like pain. pressure was not i round pick to the majority of people who know their stuff about the draft. It was just. It was also interesting because like the celtics had been a draft twitter ish team in recent years like like we all love grant williams And that looks like it's gonna it's gonna pay off. But i think a lot of us also like shimmy and that doesn't look quite as good. I still have a soft spot guy's biceps. You can play post defense own. Something for me. Look jaba was never going to be good. Nba player. he's a very funny leaguer. Awesome gotta have come off the bus. I right yeah maine red claws come on does yeah exactly games for great But no i. I don't know it's a weird thing where like there's so much that we're not privy to from the outside but like the draft people that i follow in read and trust watch a lot of college basketball and you know i think that a lot of them watch it like especially the prep the pros guys being guys cosmetics. Like they all watch college basketball not just for college basketball but through the lens of how can they translate and i'm not saying. Nba teams of do that. They obviously do their full staffs of people that do that But i think there are things that we don't. It's it's almost like there's obviously a benefit and a drawback to only being able to judge from the games in the numbers right like you don't get to do the interview you don't get to do the background checks you don't get to. Do you know the personality side stuff. One of the ways that the raptors have measured guys in the past and and. I don't think they could do this this year. With no summer league in camps and stuff like that is like the term. I've thrown on his developmental capacity right. It's like if you come in for a pre draft workout and you are doing this poorly and we give you coaching by the end of the workout. Are you doing that better. And then if we see you in summer league are you doing better and then you can measure that kind of stuff and get a feel for guys now. I think that that's too often that gets to be like Kind of like a blanket of you can't possibly criticize this organization because you don't know what they know and you don't see what they say but like full disclosure like the raptors have had success with a couple of guys. I didn't think i had come in the low forties. And i thought i was high on him and like obviously i didn't watch a ton of new mexico state but like the raptors had for workout. So i dug into some synergy stuff. And like i was like okay like i see why he would be a leaguer and then he starts forty games start the season and now he's now he's an mac contract player wall. Nobody saw that. But there are things like that and the way the raptors have had success of finding stuff where other people haven't seen it as well. has kind of shifted. How i think about the draft just like i don't know i obviously don't know the answers like i had flynn and harris higher on my board than they went in the draft and then some people had them on the draft. So i'm at least certain to get a handle on what the raptors are looking for but Yeah i mean to sit here and say like like the celtics made a bad pick. Because i don't like pritchard like i don't know nearly as much about pritchard as they do but i also don't know nearly as much about richard as the other draft twitter guys who i trust a lot so i'm at odds here and i don't know why those things are incongruent. I i think a lot of it comes down to personality in the interviews and stuff like that. That question of what this guy is now. This is what he could be. An what are the odds that he gets from a to b and. I think that's like that's kind of the black box of player development is like. Can you get the guy from where he is now to his upside because like upside doesn't really matter like anti randolph. Still has that upside but like if he can't get there and you can't get them. They're like christian woods another good example of like a guy who every time. He went down to the daily early in his career. He's putting up these bonkers numbers and then you talk to coach about him and it's like it's like. Oh yeah like. We can't get him to play within the offense he just put up huge numbers. Yeah it's like. Oh well that's why you know can a guy like that. Grower davis is another guy that i was really high on the raptors had nine twenty-seven that one year and it's like you know talent wise shirt but it didn't click and then you find out afterwards that there are some things that you can't see from the outside about how a guy my progress how he might fit or how. He might respond to not playing minutes for his first year. Whatever so there's a lot we don't know which is all to say peyton pritchard is probably not going to be worth that. Pick and neither s and yeah. We'll see what happens. I don't know. I still going to be a fun team to watch as much. I struggled to say that i'm going to enjoy watching the celtics play but it's basketball so all right the next. We talked about the milwaukee bucks They had maybe the funky est offseason off season. Just because of how everything went with the bogdonovich deal obviously that falling through and then Initially i remember thinking i was like okay. Well they're just leaking all this stuff saying that they're doing an investigation in That bogged looking elsewhere so that they can make it work through and no. He's an atlanta hawks now. So what were your thoughts. Kinda overall on that and how that worked out I guess we can dive into their little bit after that. Yeah i mean. I think look optically. It's never great. And i don't i don't know how much you honest ways a thing like that or or reads the the press on it or you know i don't even know the honest is camp like alex. Saratsis has built like a great stable there and done really well by He's aware of the fact that you look back to the last sixteen months and it's not only just the bogue damping like the buxom opportunities create trade exceptions that could have been helpful at the deadline are in the off season Poor a bog. Dan sign a trade. And you kind of botched this And then like you know you had the brogden luxury tax ducking and like maybe that a look okay because of brogden long term health or whatever but right now it looks pretty frigging bad Those are the those are the kind of things that maybe they don't matter because we're talking about a difference of like fifty million dollars but maybe if the bucks like if he doesn't sign a supermax extension and the bucks do poorly or not poor. They will do poorly this year. But they're out in the second or third round again like that's absolutely the kind of stuff that other teams are going to use ammo and that his agent might be like if he's actually torn be like who do we trust to build around you the next couple of years and i think you know i don't know if you saw john hollander tweet bed. I had noted that alex lends deal with the raptors was for slightly more than the minimum. And it didn't make a ton of sense at first because it took away the raptors mid level exception the remainder of the mid level exception. So like say jalen harris becomes awesome. They can't sign them to a three year deal. They can only a two year deal. I'm like well. That's a weird loss of flexibility and then hauled or pointed out bet because lens a little over the minimum. He counts as more for salary matching in a trade and the raptors. Now have the exact contract mixed that could let them trade for jaanus and it's like that's probably not going to happen but i do wonder if that's like a wink. Wink kind of thing and like the heat or another team that had like managed that stuff really well and obviously they. They've done the bam move now so it's a little different but you know. I think there are things that we on. Mba twitter probably make much much deal out of than they are in reality but like these decisions and again you honest consigned supermax. So maybe like. I don't think these are fifty million dollar marginal decisions. But if he decides he wants to explore other options than maybe these are the kind of things that tilt something half a percentage point one way or the other and when you're talking about three or four five teams competing for max sky like that's a half percentage point the bucks might have just lost his a pretty big one Further like if both dan has a good season and then say the hawks flip them or something like that. you know. that's that's gonna and another team ends up with them for which the hawks make the playoffs and you know he plays wall on a one eight matchup or something like that like those are the kinds of things that that may be will stick with him. I don't know in general. I thought that getting drew was good. But i liked that movie love drew. That's obviously hefty price. I at move a lot more if bogged down is coming with it like on its own. It does not like to pay. All those picks. To upgrade. From george hill drew holiday george hill and eric bledsoe drew holiday. Like it just. I don't know it feels like a very small gain again. I love holiday. I think third best player. You're in you're in good shape but like like it's the same team otherwise it's hill and bledsoe for holiday and a by or he'll blood on a bunch of pigs for holiday basically in terms of if you look at what their playoff rotation looks like. Yeah you just love bobby ports. I won't i won't lie. Actually kinda liked it. Just because i know maybe could be some kind of picking popped right next to the honest. I know it sounds nice. Yeah i like florida's but like porta salat is like your third fourth. Exactly not as like your second big off the you're talking about like oh we're going to close with him at the five. Sometimes it's like what are we doing similar to dj. Augustine augustine is awesome regular season player. And if he's your backup point guard playoff series pie in like fifteen minutes. You're probably in good shape if he starts working his way into your hypothetical closing lineups. I don't know you solve the problems you had last year. Yeah no that's really very point. I mean i think. Ideally i think they're gonna end up making another move. It just seems not to speak stuff into existence but just based on where they're at. I agree they really their rotation did not change up that much But i do think drew was a huge get but i also think some people were way too low on eric bledsoe in the playoffs. You really can't stomach. The way he was that he was playing Just because offensively. I mean such a negative and you could tell it was all mostly mental But so obviously drew's and upgrade there. But i think that you could make a case. Eric's may be a better defender drew. Even though drew is just about the best point attack defender in the league that we're up a position extra think the other thing too is like if brook lopez shooting decline is like obviously he shot thirty seven percent the your prior but otherwise he's been a slightly below average shooter in the seasons that he shot a lot of threes and That's such a crucial part of their offense for like. Maybe you're right. Maybe bobby portis ends up playing a bigger role because brooks needs to be minimized or whatever And i still think broke like a phenomenal system defender and rim deterrent and stuff like that. So i'm not suggesting that brooke will be a negative player but You know they certainly in the playoffs. They certainly need him to be closer to thirty seven percent thirty one percent. But i guess you could say they have three guys on every team in the league so not not the sharpest not the most interesting of analysis to say brooke lopez's you gotta hit your threes man. Yeah well i mean. I think the biggest thing for me to it's i agree brooke needs to shoot like at least thirty four thirty five percent because after last year that i mean those rough and he's got three years left on his deal to right so it's not just like like obviously he's still this level of defender but he's gonna turn thirty three this year and like is he going to be that kind of defender at thirty five like we saw like having just watched what this all went through when he had a couple of hamstring injuries. Still a very impactful team defender but like you know like gonzales. The template of like what that player type looks like. It stopped shooting. Yeah and brooke has been even more injury. Prone throughout his career to salsa gusau shot better than brooke last year but like not nearly as willingly. And that's the. I guess that's a big thing as long as brooks taking them. You know maybe. It'll be okay. But i i think this is all of these things feel kinda little and almost petty to bring up because like i do feel like eastern conference twitter. You know it's kinda like when you're the number one presume number-one pick entering draft like everyone talks about reasons. You shouldn't be the number one and number two or number three or number four should be number one thing. I do feel like we fall into that. A little bit with the box and part of it is like we know already that they're going to be dominant in the regular season and we know that none of the questions about their playoff upside are gonna be resolved until the playoffs. We won't know. And i think that makes it really easy to to nitpick at the same time these kind of things that we're nitpicking or have question marks about are the kind of things like the league's a little flatter the last two years than it was during kind of the warriors. Lebron peak like like the lakers are entering the season. The favorite and the bucks favored in the east. Sure but like the gap between the lakers and the clippers and some of the other west is not exceptional and the gap between the box and the other teams at the top of the at least the playoffs isn't exceptional so this it feels like nitpicking. And then you get into playoff series in every series from the second round on league-wide comes down to those nitpicks so you know the balance of probabilities. The bucks price still the best team in the east. But it's far from like they're far from infallible. And we've seen that in. Like this is one of the most highest leverage season for a franchise that i can remember like this. Is it for them. I if if i mean if you're honest on supermax they get some breathing room. But he doesn't say it's december twenty second and you're playing your opener. And he's a lame duck superstar. I can't remember the last time a franchise had this much on the line with one guy like casey. I guess yeah no. That's that's a really great point. I mean i think the biggest thing for me is just will they actually get somebody else who can create in the half court because that was the biggest thing for me with ogden because obviously drew brings a guy who can at least He's going to be defended at three point. Line you're not super worried about that Like you are with eric But i think bogner was almost more important in that deal. Because you've got a guy who can create in the pick and roll who can Get his own shot in the half court and they still really don't have anyone. I'm confident in doing that. And i'm what. I'm hopeful for them is that they will stop treating you honestly. He's a point guard. Because i think that is like the biggest thing for me is is getting him off ball like obviously he's a fantastic player on ball. He can do some really great things with the ball hands but and it's not about being skilled or whatever i'm tired of that narrative because if you think you honest skilled frankly you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about like not to be a dick but that's just that's just honesty. You can't be is an that graceful in transition and not be skilled like just us. I mean even look at like the turnaround jumper. He's added who's his i. Bike product wrote about early last year. It's but i'm with you like it's not and i don't mean off the but like we don't mean off the ball like the dunker dump. Ben simmons like we're talking about you. It's like a roll man. Yeah if easier screener especially in. Those lineups were broke his in on the floor. Maybe that's a really hard to defend. Look and it was why i liked drew bogged down as a package because suddenly you have multiple guys who can run pick and roll with janas the screener and like there's just if there's a pull up drive and pass threat off of a yawn screening action like i just don't know what you do with it. Yeah exactly no. I feel exactly. I'm thinking do you tag the roller with two guys all they corners and like we talk about how good a romantic. Anthony davis is. We barely even get to see honest. Roll man because of how often he's the one running things so i think like yeah. We're totally on the same page there. But of course all these nitpicks the bucks are probably still undoubtedly the best team the east right now at least for the regular season. Like you're gonna eric korean. I'm michael kind of broke down the east years in one of our calms the other day just like off the cuff. And someone have a congress was wow still the faith in milwaukee. It's like look we're talking regular season. No one's going to touch them over seventy two games unless you're honest gets hurt which obviously you don't analyze under the assumption. Someone's going to get hurt but yeah yeah it's Over seventy two games. The bucks invest needs the most definitely What brings us to the team that that took them. Out of the east of miami They've been interesting. i. I don't think they got better but i don't really think they got worse I really likes i was. I don't know about you. But i was surprised. That mo- heartless was that gettable I think they only use the room exception and was like three. And a half mil Obviously jae crowder walks. But i liked the idea. I mean mohawk list obviously is willing of shooters jae crowder as portland would know from the eighteen or nineteen when he notoriously did not shoot the last four games of the year to preserve his contract. Bonus right yes. But i liked it. I mean i think just in terms of if you're okay if you don't wanna have to pay jae crowder. The three years full emily and you get more articles on a one year for three and a half. It's pretty good. It's an upgrade. But you're not really downgrading too much. So i liked that pressure. I know draft. Twitter was happy that he went to the heat. Because they think he'll i mean the heater. Great at developing guys yeah The the meyers. Leonard deal was confusing. The people at first. But i think it was more in terms of Just what the second year. Not being fully guaranteed. Yeah same stuff. The raptors right like they've got dragic dolla leonard. Bradley all with these gargantuan non-guaranteed small partially guaranteed second year. So like if you need to work a sign and trade for yoenis. You've got the salary matching right there. So yeah infinite. Picks but you with that after yeah. So why would you where you out on the heat and you think they improved or where. Where would you put them kind of. I think they're both the same. And i think obviously like the bubble suited heat culture and they were locked in than any other team favorite part about the finals ending not having to see hashtag culture anywhere. Yeah yeah showed up to the riffs man. But no i mean it's it's fine like they're obviously good and they they they're such. I have such an appreciation for certain parts of their culture with certain players. They brought in certain things they overlook and the raptors are not without sitting there as well and But i do think if we're talking strictly encore culture in terms of do guys by and you trust guys in a weird environment like this year like the bubble. Do you trust your young guys to continue taking steps forward. I think yeah. You probably do if you're the heat and i don't know i don't know that i'm on tyler. Herro as quickly as everyone else like like at the very good obviously but like i saw some people who maybe expects linear growth from the bubble. And i don't know that that's reasonable especially with compressed offseason but i like i like it. I like mohawk was cheap by. I don't. I don't think avery bradley's ever been like the impact defender that his reputation suggests but he's he's fine I really don't like kendrick nunn. But otherwise i well it was funny. I was talking to david. Ramiro from lockdown he'd about the other day It just the the move to bring an avery bradley Pretty much just. I don't wanna say it takes none out of the rotation but it shows their confidence in him to continue growing as a player. Felt like yeah. And i mean like the the issue with him was like he was kind of. He had like a bad team. Rookie season what i mean by that is like he got lots of opportunities to shoot and really matter that he was spotty defender in. It didn't really matter that he was an all that efficient. And it didn't really matter that everyone just glossed over the reason he was undrafted in the first place And tried to make story and then you know it got to the playoffs. And he's barely playing because some of those wards become more obvious when teams are kind of exploiting so You know. I i think obviously has talent offensively in the half court but i just like i have no time for the kind of whitewashing of his story and i i don't i actually don't on top of that. Just don't think he's nearly as good as his points per game suggests so he's not like especially with a adding avery bradley and the strides that robinson and hero took like i don't he's not a guy i'm really factoring in for them like he might playing at points but i don't think he's a ceiling razor for them. Yeah i guess the next question for you. How if you had to put a number to it. What ranks you're would you. Put duncan robinson. Beer now up there. I mean the the big thing for me with him as like it's always tough with with shooters right because like shooting is not enough like brady has slip has every g. league three point shooting record but he's my size and matt. Thomas has like matt. Thomas like lit the world on fire in college and then overseas and like had the best three point shooting percentage of raptors history this year. And everyone's like well. Why can't you stay on the floor. It's because with both of those guys they don't have an matt. Thomas is certainly bigger than brady hesse. They don't have size and associated with humor for debt. Yeah you look at jd rhetoric. And it's like okay. Well he doesn't have quite as much size but he's also lightning-quick and no one moves off the ball better than that and like to the extent that not to put like all white shooting guards in the same bonds with matt. Thomas has told me he watches tape of radical. Hit ahead moved to create extra space because reading doesn't have the same high release point and then you look at duncan robinson. It's like yeah. His game isn't like super well rounded but he's six foot seven and gets himself oakland really well and when you're six foot seven like that gives you some extra leeway not just as like a shooter who can get your shot but like when you're talking about some of these guys who were limited defensively and like joe harris is another good example. This is a guy would just just enough size to the nets. Had not a lot of good defenders and still don't have a lot of good unders but like You know he can do enough to be to not take away his offense. And you know. I don't think robinson's good defender and i don't know if he's going to be but at least like he's big enough that he's not he doesn't have to guard the point guard he can hang on the guy in the corner and you could try to hide him a little better but the big thing for me is like he has the size and the off ball ability to get that shot off and like i thought that the him and bam dribble handoff game was always. Just oh my god. I was like like as someone who covered the raptors trying to handle the red again. Be dribble handoff game the year before on the playoffs it was like like shit like the raptors had played the heat. I my full take was. Ogsm gar bam so you can switch that action like you. I don't mean to keep taking back to the raptors. No no it makes sense. But like that's what you need to be able to do against that. And that means either you downsized and that's tough because bam is not just a parameter oriented guy or you stick your center on jae crowder heartless as it were you know in that. Introduces other tough stuff. So i think. I mean i think he's great and i think if you can shoot forty four percent on eight three game when teams are like especially when it's not the starting lineup. Like team sent to to the ball on those dribble. Handoff actions alive I think that says a lot man. I think i think he's got to be top five shooter and you know a big part of shooting is can you get the shot up and stay on the floor and i think that that's a big thing with him. Being success in his off ball workers. You know you gotta. There are a lot of guys who can i mean. There aren't a lot of guys who forty four percent on threes. But there are a lot of guys who can shoot the ball really well. And you see like a nate darling go on drafted or justinian jessup Playing in australia and these guys have unbelievable shooting numbers in college. And you have to. You have to be able to project to get to to get the shot. It's like a you know a baseball player with all the power in the world who can't make contact like there's only so many adam dunn. The league has ruined for rece davis. Chris davis do what was the year he had this year. Where he led the league in home runs. And then you've got the deal. And then i think bad like one eighty the next year yeah component is a guy that like was an elite standstill catching shu-chi but once you know he i don't think he ever average more than three three point attempts to game because like he just didn't have the ability to get those off you know especially when he was in toronto like it was maddening. How infrequently so yeah. I i don't know i think robinson's like right up there man. I love him as an offensive peace. As like you know a guy you can shift a lot of usage to in in kind of hybrid bench starter units and then a guy who can just like let things than i know. Jimmy isn't the best spacer in the world and is in the best three point shooter and you know one of the good ways to handle that. Shift the ball onto jimmy hands and let let a guy like dunkin work off the ball And then yeah. I mean bam being such a good pass such an advanced passer for big man to up so much more that when sorry i'm rambling but the to know you're good. It's it's a fascinating action for like any team to have to cover all especially everyone and not everyone. Has anthony davis. Lebron you throw at stuff. Exactly i mean. I think my my favorite part about their offense. They would run this really quick transition play where bam lowering the floor. Dunkin would come up the less. I ran right or less about. I just remember him from the left side. But i mean he would come off baseline straight up and just do a immediate hand off for three and that would just kill people because they weren't ready in transition and bama's so fast bringing the ball like i. I'm so excited for for what they're doing Love good basketball and bam is just man. He is fun but he is such a fun player to watch. Yeah he's awesome and it's It's easy gotta root for to its. I was surprised that they gave him the max out. Twenty twenty one but they he has the same agent as janas. so if If you're honest was ever going there you know they. They know what's going on there. That's a great point on our the next thing. We gotta jump into really quick The brooklyn nets. Obviously they're going to be better. The next year kevin durant is back and i think until proven otherwise kevin durant still a top ten player the league as far as i'm concerned By like you mentioned what their defense defense few. And far between or i guess we could say optional for this team. If you guys like But i think there'll be a fun team to watch or maybe not entirely fun to watch. But i think there'll be a good team for sure What are your thoughts on them going in. Because i i want to say that there's gonna be a lot more Bumpiness in the ride Before the team really takes off. That's just my feeling going in I don't think it's going to be picturesque in. They're just going to ascend to be contender right away. Yeah i mean the bumpiness kinda comes with kyrie but y- but also like the pieces don't fit super well here right like like obviously kyrie k. D. are such incredible offensive pieces that anyone can work with. Joe harris as a spacer is great. I don't know that it plays to spencer. Dinwiddie charissa verts straight super. Well you know the fact that the andre jordan's probably gonna start over. Jared will remind me makes sewing. Yeah like i. It would not surprise me at all. Jared islands a trade chip over the course of the year and someone should for free him He's a guy. I was so impressed with how much playmaking and approved in the bubble like. Oh he looks amazing in the bubble. Yeah m like was the only net left by fbi so But yeah i mean look katie and kyrie offensively like that's a free ticket to a top five offense when everyone's healthy and that leaves you some some breathing room to figure out the other stuff And i thought you know. For as much as steve. Nash is the first time coach it in that introduces some questions. He did the right thing in surround himself with a lot of high end coaches in sport Yeah but like who is like shirt. Kevin durant when kevin durant is locked in as an unbelievable defender. Your can be. He's also coming back from an achilles injury and is going to be carrying a big load on offense. So do you want that until the playoffs. Probably not how much can like timothy. The wildwood caparo was another guy. Who was really good in the bubble but like where do you find. Even twenty minutes a game for him to get his defense on the floor. And then if not him. Like jared allen. Is your best defensive player. But like who's who's your perimeter defender probably. Yeah that's a great point. I mean i guess bruce brown but you can't really play him on offense and also i can't believe the detroit justly shimao for that. I parts partially. Because i love bruce brown. Yeah i'm fairly. Yeah i was surprised at detroit and go for that much. But yeah i like you. Where like not all these guys gonna play right like you have harris errands. Shamet liuhua caballero. Bruce brown like they're only so many minutes for those guys and that's Generally that's a good problem to have but the issue that we've seen so many contenders run into like. It's not necessarily about like obviously for a team like this. All that really matters is the playoffs and getting their healthy but like a playoff rotation is about. Who are the best players that you can play. Who are the best offensive players that you play without their defense being a problem. Or who are the best defenders. You can play with other offense being a problem like you just can't play five on four when you get the second round of the playoffs and further and maybe in the east this year the first round. 'cause like i don't think brooklyn's a top two seed or a top one seed so they're going to have a tough first round match up so I don't know. But i do have a little bit of faith like. They added a lot of good people to their coaching staff I have trust in their analytics apartment in their front office. In general yeah. I don't know man it's a. It's going to be a stranger. Yeah they'll get any stranger in this past year. That's the surreal. But it's just like like when it comes down to like. I totally understand people who have the nets as high as like two in the east in the regular season. Because it's a free pass to an easy offense with this bras like they're gonna torch teams at times but also like i you can have them as low as six or seven and like because it's a regular season team because if i'm them i'm not playing kyri k. d. all seventy two games in this condensed schedule. Yeah and then like if they're gonna make their way to being a decent defense. It's certainly not gonna be early in the air with a two week training camp i have. I have a bad feeling. This might be like some of the lebron cavs defenses as a kid who grew up in cleveland. Those were not fun. Defenses to wash during the regular season and manda. They're like katie. And kyrie give you such a such room for error. If they're both healthy come playoff time so like there's a long time for them to figure this out but like as many ways as it can go right because they have two of the best defensive players in the world. There are a good handful away. That could go wrong to not even not even go wrong. Just you end up against a team that matches up with you will. Yeah i think the way to put it the kind of enclosing on them like they have. I think more questions going into the season that they have to answer before the playoffs than i think any of the other teams were even talking about because they just have so many directions that they could go and maybe have to because their roster just doesn't make a lot of sense At least from our view doesn't make a ton of sense yet going forward in terms of what their vision is in how they're gonna look to leverage moments. There a huge like will they make a midseason trade. Yeah obviously and like whether that's hard in or something else. But like you pair. Jared with one of the carousel avert or joe harris taurean prince contracts. And like you can get your way to some interesting guys in you. Know given the way katy perry deondraye kind of built this thing. Maybe it's going to be another guy that's not fit. But yeah maybe jared smith gets another deal. Who knows All right well onto the next team. Philadelphia seventy sixers. They had some nice addition by subtraction and actually made good moves. I mean they were probably draft twitter. Second favorite team. Were you know. Free agency in during the grizzlies. Yeah after the grizzlies. I think grizzlies had to be number one. Yeah calls wicker to put out a statement that he not result man. Yeah one of my group chats with a bunch of drafted where people they were like. Oh maybe kohl's part of this and then you released. oh no. he's not but no. That was priceless with philly. I mean their roster just makes sense now and i think that should be a little bit frightening for people are not frightening. Is the wrong word but just in terms of they actually are going to have real spacing. tobias harris will actually get to play the four on offense. Now i don't know. I think there's a lot there to to like or at least that is a positive for for the sixers. Yeah i'm mostly just excited for guy danny green who like we'll finally get the like shift into the eighteen minute a game. That is best for him at this stage and especially like coming off the deep playoff run like let the any be off until mid january february or something like that like he has played through so much with the groin. Tear in san antonio and like playing ba- really banged up to the raptors playoff ron and then another finals run and like obviously everyone gets them for the playoffs shooting but also it's because he's the only real shooter for that team like he just. He's in his thirties. He's not a guy who should have to be defending the top guy. The top opposing player for like thirty plus minutes a night for an entire season and playoff run back to back years like it's not like he needs a smaller role and or at least scale back a little bit and i think philly's a good spot for that. He's going to have lots of open. Looks obviously and he won't be the only shooter because they added seth curry and they added joe in the draft. And like you know they even. I don't think he's gonna play but like ryan broke up. Hey i as a g. league guy. And then like even their center rotation just makes more sense like like dwight makes more sense as a backup to mba than a guy who also has a play alongside ambitious bunch. And you know maybe white won't accept the minutes load but also they keep beats minute's pretty low and then like even tony bradley is like like pretty fine as a third center or a backup if someone goes down so Yeah i like what. They did their mana. And obviously there's a lot of chaos around that team. All the time and doc rivers for as important figure as he is in as good of a culture coaches. He seems to be you know. He hasn't had the best playoff track record. from a tactical perspective. And that'll be. That'll be a question again. It's a question. It's been a question. With ben. Simmons and joel embiid has a fit this whole time. You know but obviously the roster fits a lot better. i'm in a weird spot with The sixers because this'll be like the fourth year in a row where i'm like all this is it for the i think i'm the only person outside of seventy sixers twitter who's been bid on the pump fake more times with the seventy sixers. Then yeah so. Yeah i mean last year. I my bold one of my bold predictions going into your was that the six were going to have the best defense of the decade and mona finals. Yeah i add the eastern conference finals but losing to the box. And i think what it comes down to for me We had got titus maxi to sort exactly. No you're good. Like they. And paul read on to way like i mean i. I'm yeah they're going to be fantastic. Paul paul reed. It's a shame. That jacob goldstein got hired by monuments sports in washington. Because paul reid is going to break g. league. pi pm at any longer. I i was shocked that he felt that far. And that didn't even get drafted. I should say. I mean i mean it got drafted fifty eight but like him. Falling afar was weird. I mean covering the pacers cash stanley fallen fifty six. I thought was a little odd to it was just a weird draft but I think what it comes down to for me with the sixers Until i hate being hard on players. I'm always very player centric But i think it just comes down to embiid like when when when joel embiid is locked in engaged in shape he is just about the best player in the nba. I think he's shown that a. I think the reason i was so in on the sixers last year's because he came out was like the on sixers day When like it's felt like the entire national media circus was there for their media day And he was like i'm going to work for. Mvp wanna win defensive player of the year. I'm here to be the best player on the court. I'm going to do all these things. We're going to be great and then it just didn't happen. I mean he took games off really took a step back offensively. Just in terms of his effort You know from game to game and it showed you know. So i think unless joel embiid is Going to be the best version of joel. Embiid like ninety percent of the time I destroy the author is going to do it because he was. Your best player is not playing basketball. It's very difficult to win. Yeah i mean that's that's really like this is a tough thing because when we talk about the box we don't really have to talk about that with the honest and You know it came up a lot in the raptors playoff for him because of some of his circumstance during the hiatus like being a non. Us citizen and the restrictions being a lot tighter here You know but that's like it's reductive but like there are some superstars who you're we have to frame things around. Are the guys around them to step up and do enough and there are some superstars who they are. They going to be superstars for hole. Playoff series our whole season. And you know i think the world of nba at his best. He's pretty much on guard. -able yeah but it's also been shown that you can get him off his best and bats the challenge for him and like that's a challenge for a lot of guys as they kind of settle in and nba is not certainly not old so he you know we don't write him off yet certainly but he's gone through a couple of times now and you wanna see that that growth sooner than later for one hundred percent. But i'm still high. I think philly wound up top foresee this year dangerous and i just think philly if like phillies one of those if it clicks yes so we talked about developmental there they were never really is the the last three years affiliates andrew wiggins of of the nba except teams. Like if they click. They're going to be the best but it just hasn't happened yet but maybe this year. Yeah maybe i mean this. This is always the thing right is like what like that arrested development team. It hasn't worked or anyone else. What maybe it'll work for us like yeah All guess our last team. The indiana pacers. I of course saved the best for last First of all. I'm excited for you to get to cover johnson this year because first of all great dude. I love alyce second while i. I'm just like very apprehensive. As is going to totally pop for the nine five and make the patient look stupid for letting him walk. But he's a fun player man. I like why did he not get any opportunity last like he was one of the best and most well rounded g leaguers for two years straight yup. Well here's the thing erin holiday. Who is a fantastic young player. Barely even got a consistent rotation rotations by. That's been the thing for the last three years. And it's something it's really weird with the pacers because You also much was made out of a. And i always wanna point out navy. Melon is a good coach. I don't care what anybody says about the playoff resume for what he does. He gets the most out of the roster. But that's also why they're not good in the playoffs They play their brand of basketball. And it's going to be different this year. Because i mean we can talk on bjorkman second But the pacers did was. They attacked every single game. Like they prepped for it. They were there and they knew what they're gonna do and they're going to do it well but the problem is when you have that one mode flames like i hate making football analogies. But it's like if you're really dominant running team Or your triple option team and you just you can beat teams with that every night. Because that's i don't wanna say. Also gimmick i don't care it's a gimmick if you you have your your thing that you do And you're doing it one one night of the year or one of that month against the team and they're not used to playing it You can punk them that way or you can beat them more easily that way but when a team has an entire playoff series prepare for you. It doesn't work the same way So the the patients have really thrived off just having continuity in a frankly just a higher level of effort on defense And and i sound like. I'm just totally shitting on the team. Like the good teams still but I think that's why they were. They were they weren't developing young players As much as tj leaf is not an mba player. He's not an mba athlete. He doesn't have mba skill but the pacers would have known that sooner if they had actually played him Which is something. That was always frustrating. Because this was this year was the first year that Really got run in the nba. early consistent rox. I always want people getting two minutes in the end of a blowout. Nice like cool. That's something but you ask. The guys ministering leverage moments like actually playing in the game not. Just okay go get a bucket in the half court because were up by thirty. you know. there's there's a difference between that and actually playing when it counts So i think that's something that the pacers of really preached in their their off-season media ability in what they wanna do. They've been open about how they haven't developed players while enough and gotten them rotation minutes so i think Unfortunately house as not going to be one of the guys who do that moving forward but hopefully it'll happen with rapper. Ninety five yeah. I mean i think bjorkman is a good guy to bring in for that. Right leg comes from the g. League system any comes from a you know. He was only here for two years but like a pretty strong player development. Set up I think he took tyler marsh with them. Who's one of the player development guys I was actually a little surprised that they didn't sign any raptors free agents like they didn't bring in malcolm miller as like a culture builder guy But yeah i think you know obviously there in a bit of a weird spot where only depot situation hangs over things that you've paid brogden so bonus and turner and tj warren. Even and it's like okay. They're kind of in this weird like there's a little bit of pressure to win but also you gotta start developing for the guys who were going to supplement the next the next round guy. So it's a it's a tough season for them like obviously i think everyone kind of expects a miles. Turner trade at some point. I think if they underwhelmed like tj. Warren could get you something back. Pretty nice i know. He's got that thirteen million for for the year following but a lot of teams. Could you like drop him onto the bench of a really good team in canada as a second unit fulcrum and that's a nice fit A lot of places i love. Tj warren i only learned so yeah i mean it's it's interesting like and i almost wonder if the turner domino has the fall. 'cause like to to serve those ends like you gotta get some minutes right like you gotta. You've got to play these guys somewhere. I don't know man. They're in a tough a weird inbetween. Spot your i wrote about the rotation the other day like so. They talked about. They wanna play tj at the more. Because that's where he thrives in the bubble with sa- bonus out and they want to play more minutes while the only way that happens. If you either play doh less or you play miles less. Yeah so. I mean just with how. There's really not a lot of great playmaking on the roster. I mean i mean malcolm playmaker. But there's not i should say there's not a lot of perimeter bursts so without their miles not a good screener he just doesn't have. It's not a mentality thing. Just doesn't have the the band at all in his body To really be a good screener So it's it's hard to envision how he doesn't get his playing time cut to less than It'll be like his second lowest year in terms of minutes the other than his rookie year. So i mean. I don't know they have a lot of interesting things to go but also i mean you look at it. There's like twelve guys on the roster. Who would probably see ten plus minutes a game anywhere. So they're almost too much death Like the mood would be consolidate that that one hiring guy. But they're i think they're at the opposite like ironically like the move that they might end up making his older depot for several pieces. And then it like unless you're going to do a subsequent move or make that a bigger framework like do you think people get stealth here. Oh that's a good question Yeah we'll put you on spot on your own no good. Hey i like that. It's i think it's trying to wrap my head around a lot because it's a little bit different from the paul george situation. Because i think you know. Paul george does not want to be in indiana at all. He didn't care if he got paid. He didn't wanna be in indiana. I think victor if he gets paid what he thinks he's worth. He's finding in indiana but i think that's the impasse. I mean the pacers do not want to pay him that much. And i think that's fair. Victory hasn't been the same player he wasn't in seventeen eighteen a even in eighteen nineteen before gauge Got injured. He wasn't the same player because he was dealing with nagging injuries to I think if he's ninety five percent of what he was. Then then. I think you can maybe warrant paying close to the max. Don't know about the full max But it again. It's a weird spot. I think what ends up making the most sense because his trade value clearly was not there. Otherwise i think they're made managerial And just reports have come out on him not having trade value. I think this is the season for him. Like if you doesn't you know produce at a high level Than i mean. He's woohoo who's offering him that much money you know like the so. I think it's a huge season for the pacers and for him because if he does play at the high level i think the pacers are willing to pay him And that's not going to be a problem but if he doesn't play at that level then it's just an awkward spot for both because they're going to end up being less with pretty much nothing to show for For victor in then also there just in like their rosters in a spot like okay. What are we doing now like I don't envision demonise bonus becoming a top twenty player in the nba. As much as i love him and think he's a great player. I mean growth tracks funky. Anything could happen but they being spot you look at the roster right now if victory depot goes back to where it was okay. You can see this team being a legit. I don't wanna say quite contender but like a a team that could you could feasibly. You make a run at a conference finals. Things father wait right But victory will depots not back at that level. I don't see that So there are. They remind me a lot of the Like the fourteen fifteen hawks like that. That era team not not that they're gonna win sixty games but just they're in a spot where they really don't have a true superstar on the team and the path to getting one is unclear right. You're not you're too good to blow it up and it's not realistic to like as much as we can fire up to k. Like you can't yes exactly. You can end up. Trading tj mcconnell. Doug mcdermott for bradley. Beal just not like sometimes like that was the concern with the raptors before they got quite right and it was like you have to be willing to trade dhamar to do something like that and then be ready for quiet walk. And how often do those deals come up. They they don't. It's like once every couple years something like that comes up and you have to have the right fit and the right package and the the stomach for something like that. So that's i mean i don't dislike. What the pacers have them other building. But they are in an awkward spot. Where like you can't you can't be in both lanes forever like you. And i don't think they're at that point yet but like they're getting they're getting. They're definitely like this. Season's going to be a not sound dramatic. This is captured season like okay. If if you're going to make something happen. This is where you decide what's happening So yeah a lot of stuff to look after them. I still think they'll be good though. I think I i try not to be super productive because growing up in a small market. Light cleveland and following the pacers In covering them. Now like i think there's being a team that is just competitive and fun Yeah the season long. I like that. Watch good basket backley. Like i think. I get really frustrated with the should take not every market can do that. I wanna tank and then some of them will end up getting the twenty eighth pick. Exactly they're like like the one year. The rap is opening tank ended up a terrence. Ross look i don't need to go through that and look i'm speed fan for this chunk of it not a journalist or whatever but like the payoff is so far down the line and so on promised like maybe you end up with entree. Barney is the number one bag. Ross the next time you tank like this stuff is not like it was kind of maddening to me like one raptors fans would want blow it up after like this is the most successful run franchise history. Like you've been through the like tanking doesn't get you what you think route twice like for some teams sometimes but especially with the flat lottery odds now like like this the year to do it with kate cunningham. Coming in it's like if all goes well with your tanking. You have a one in seven shot kate cunningham like so you have a six and seven shot of burning this thing down and not getting that guy. Obviously the distract in the next good so it's not wouldn't be the end of the world but like there's a. There's a good good chance you don't get kate. Cunningham successfully knicks the knicks. Yeah exactly and i mean. I think i will get it the same way as with like face to trade exceptions like. They're really nice. They're employed for flexibility. But like like you just mentioned. They're they're twenty nine of the teams that have the potential cast space and that flexibility with trade exception so very rarely do the things that we envision tappan happening. You know like the knicks thought they were to get kevin durant and they ended up with bobby portis like and that's not to be a unfair to buy. That's just the point like it. A lot of things have to happen for things to work out the way you want them to so. I think there's definitely a point of being good team Will blake i. I wanna say first of all. Thank you for coming on and taking the time. This was awesome What are you working on her. What are you excited about in life right now that you want people know about yeah i mean just myself at the athletic all becoming the raptors again. This year i think remotely. It's sure doesn't sound like it's going to be worthwhile going down to tampa to sit on zoom calls there instead of here but we'll make do have over the athletic my raptors stuff up there. I also music podcasts. Called columbia house party that people could check out especially if they like Like pop punk anymo- like turn of the early two thousands era indie music That's awesome goal will all have Awfully description down below for that as well to everyone listening of course go fall blake and everything he does. The athletic is running right now for one dollar a month if you can't you ends at midnight tonight okay awhile all right so at all the people listening to this. You don't have the opportunity that hopefully you're doing it right now on talking in you you just for some reason you can hear me but yeah i mean. I bought the athletic at full price. So i wish. I got in on this now. Hopefully you are it also by at after the deals over some sure still going to be worth doing it. I live here and there was always yields. Just just a lot of people bitch about pay walls. it's the one place that i think is worth it. So i m not paywall payrolls the wrong way to put it paying for things so i think yeah it's more sorta you off. You know you're breaking news on the pod. Oh really yeah. The sixers signed limousine a. Oh really yeah gerald now. He's not shocking. But i don't typically like it's the closest comp. Yeah he's going to be a ton of fun with delaware. Of course daryl morey got with megyn a band that is awesome while watch him just like turn into an all star out of nowhere for philadelphia. Yeah that'd be one. I mean he's fun to watch anyway. Like oh he's like. Hey let's just hope the seventy sixers opt in to whatever the g. league thing is going to be so yeah. I was talking to my friend. i'm sure you know. Pd web from from draft. Where i was talking on a pod about johnny and we came to the conclusion that he doesn't play a position at least in college and he's just the genet you just doesn't and he plays basketball and those are my favorite kind of players to watch. I have no idea what the look at what i'm scouting. And but he is going to be. He's going to. He's going to be something. I don't know i have no idea what there are a lot of guys like that this year like it's obviously a g. league guy so i'm bias and want a lot of these guys. Spend a lot of g league time anyway. But like like as much as i want poku getting thunder minutes like i want poku down with the blue to right like i wanna see i wanna see what forty minutes of it in a long leash looks like and i wanna see that with jay and i wanna see that jalen harris with the raptors in so hopefully over there some form of g. league. I don't you know we've seen reports about his. I certainly don't think it'll be enough of a g. league for poku to get sent down but like you. We get jay for sure might get some paul read. Delaware's gonna be able to. They're going to be like the g. League pass honestly all man. They're going to have to watch. That will pass. Which isn't even available in canada because all the games are on. Espn plus now. oh There plus now a bunch of them were last year. I couldn't. I could only had missed some games last year. Because i just couldn't find a stream will rats okay. We'll we'll have to figure that out then but now while regardless the delaware eighty seven right. Yes yeah well. They're gonna be must see tv now. So i'm excited for that guys. Thank you for listening. Of course like i mentioned follow. Both of us. Just have a good day.

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OK, We Move to 2020, Cause That's Bull$#!t

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OK, We Move to 2020, Cause That's Bull$#!t

"But I don't I really don't have any regrets. I really don't I've I've lived exactly how wanted to. I've tried my hardest every single time. I didn't win the matches. Maybe I should have always wanted but I really get a mile so that for me. Hi everyone welcome back to the body. Serve I'm James. I'm Jonathan will. We have reached the final episode of Twenty Nineteen. Yes that is correct there. There still could be a floating episode. I duNno I duNno okay. That could be a Christmas surprise. I would say we were exhausted. But we've been a bit energized over the past week because we're pretty bold over by how the go fund me has gone so far. I'm completely sincere when I say that it's crazy. In addition to that so many of you have written such wonderful things on the go fund me page. I read one too. Because you hadn't seen a new side continued doing this. I'm going to start to believe it. There's a lot of truth in that because honestly there's so many people who've donated who've never heard from we. We are really just shocked that so many people have responded to this and so all of this is to say we thank you immensely and it makes us very motivated to continue to put out a good product going forward and hopefully a better one. Yes a couple of notes on the go fund me going forward. We had said when we were teasing it that we intended to keep it running through the Australian Open and there couple of reasons for that. The first being we started early because I mean this is such a difficult time of year for a lot of people moneywise that we didn't want to we didn't want people to feel rushed in having to contribute a certain window right like there's Thanksgiving Black Friday shopping Christmas January. Lord knows everybody's broken January in right right and then the other bizarre historically for us we get or most traffic at the grand slams so it made sense for us to potentially try in an have new listeners. Be a part of the process as well. So thank you. Everybody who's donated. We encourage you to share the go fund me with your friends. If you know folks who like tennis you know have them. Listen to a couple of your favorite episodes and see if that moves the needle a little bit. What we're really here to do is recap. The season in men's tennis. Quite different from the women in that most of the same people were achieving the big things. And that's been the case in men's tennis for over a decade we had two people when to slams each Nadal. Jovovich are still one into in the world. Roger Federer is three there of course are a lot of rumblings in that next Gen second tier dominant team rung of the ladder. That they're getting much louder. Guest this business of the big three still being firmly entrenched. I feel as though that's most clear at the Grand Slam level but stuff is percolating more so than it ever has before we had dominant team winning a masters one thousand we Daniel. Medvedev winning two. We had Stephanos seats winning the year entitle. A lot of things happened team had a win over. Jovic of the French Open to get back to the Roland Garros Final Again. But he got there with a little bit more moxy. I felt this year folks who had good results in the past have built on them. Folks have entered the top ten for the first time that maybe ONC- tear it's becoming a little bit more populated and the young guys are on the come up. We saw a lot of young guys have big results this year if you're looking at the HEB stores fires. What's the product going to look like going forward? I think it it's in a more positive light now than it has been the last few years because we've actually seen concrete signs of stepping up the trouble for the ATP going forward after the Big Three. I felt it was a problem for them. If you just skip the entire middle generations and relied upon the shop all of the Osceola Zemes the Huchon of all these young up and coming players right Medvedyev city. If guys like team didn't make a mark at all during this transition period then you'd be in trouble because you could be in store for a few baron years right but I don't think that's going to happen no I don't at this point I remember a few years ago. We were saying the. Atp is in rough shape like they need to get their house in order and the next gen process has been a kind of iterative. It's it's been a like a Beta testing and a lot of it has worked a lot of it has stuck the difference on the WTO. Is that their next. Gen is winning big titles and were starting to see the successes of that investment in Nexgen on the ATP side so the four slam winners. Jovic starts the year by beating a surprising finalist in Adul- An adult with a a reworked serve. If you're recalling. Dial Kinda blitzed his way through that field to get to the final. We thought that he stood a pretty decent chance because his game was so aggressive and he was beating people so easily as it turned out. Jovic handled him probably as easily as he ever has not fine. He got clobbered at Roland Garros. After a difficult clay season rough winds number. Twelve la duo decima against dominic team for the second straight year in the final at Wimbledon. I we all know what happened. At Wimbledon it was both For heartbreaking for some invigorating for others tragedy and triumph this match one. That was referenced. Probably the most with respect to any question. We asked the listeners for this episode Favorite moment most surprising most shocking. Funniest depending how you are on the evil scale right back but for drama and feeder you cannot do much better than this match no at the. Us Open we had another five-set. Men's final roughing. It all wins. Us Open number. Four in this decade beating Daniel Medvedev. Rafa looked shook in the fifth set. And I remember saying that he needed to kind of wheel and come again in that facet because he looked tired. He looked beat physically mentally and he did it. Because medved have had serious momentum on the masters one thousand level a big moment for dominant team winning a masters one thousand on a hardcourt albeit a slower hardcore a grittier hardcore and more high bouncing court what adver but it was. M- versus Mr Federer. It was in Miami Roger Federer coming off of losing in the final two team. At the previous event in Indian Wells he wins. Beating is ner the defending champion. That seems like ages ago. That is ner was the finalist Miami. I had a double check that it was even this year and monte-carlo Fabio Fanini while this was a wild tournament one of the more surprising masters winners in in the past five years. Fabio Fanini overdue son lives in the final Fabio beating a kind of a listless Nidal earlier in the tournament in Madrid joke of its beats citybus and in Rome what happened. What happened in in Madrid happening? And what's happened in? Rome was at Rafa when the title avenging has lost to Teensy bus in the semi finals and then beating Jovic in the final. You kind of left out a happen at in that thing it started off with Monte-carlo what happened. What happened in a remote? Well we are. This is real in that final. If YOU RECALL NIDAL BE JOVIC. Six love in the first set. That's when you got the sense that Nadal on clay was back in the driver's to yeah in Canada and Montreal wins again. He defended his Rogers. Cup title beating mad video of in Cincinnati of reached. I think it was his third straight final at the time beating. Goffin in the final will we get to the. Us Open then. Shanghai Medvedev wins another masters beating Alexander Zverev and that was verbs only big final of the year minutes. Capped in Paris with Djokovic winning his second masters one thousand of the year beating shovel of who had an exceptional finished his year winning title as well and finally in the World Tour Finals Stefan Citybus Beats Dominic team in the final. So we've got fourteen big titles on the ATP next year there will be fifteen with the Olympics but of those fourteen they were not quite as spread out as they are on the WPA. Nidal Wins Four. Two majors and two masters Jovovich wins. Four two majors two masters and my Veggie of wins to two masters. So that's ten fourteen one by three gentleman right on the eight to five hundred level of which are thirteen tournaments in Rotterdam gammel feast. Got a good start to the year less Loggia in Rio. He wins his first tournament in Dubai. Federer scores the Win Acapulco this tournament Kinda loomed large over Wimbledon because when curious beats nidal their their rematch at Wimbledon becomes one of the most anticipated much of the year so curious winning Acapulco in Barcelona Dominic team wins in Hallo- Federer Queens one of the Herculean efforts of the year Feliciano Lopez winning singles and doubles on the same day. Winning something like five matches in two and a half days in Hamburg. Bustle severely wins Washington. Curious gets his second five hundred of the year Beijing. Dominic team starts his surge at the end of the season. If you recall. He suffered from some viral illness. That kind of derailed his summer hard court season in Tokyo Jovic Winds Vienna. Dominic team wins again and then the final. Atp five hundred of the year in Basel Federer wins. His third has third five hundred title correct. So the title leaders eared. Jovovich and team were tied at five. And then we had three players winning four titles Nidal Medvedyev and Roger Federer and not the you know the eleven titles ten titles that we've seen in the past during the heyday of the big three but things are a lot more spread out these days. Also an adult played twelve tournaments jovovich federally sixteen each. They're not for whatever reason. Be It body preservation. Be It injury. They're not playing as much as the other guys. Somebody in the top ten hit his highest twenty seven tournaments and it wasn't dominic team. I was in the twenties but some Tony. Our go played twenty three series. I think so w gopher impossible while he did it on the double side. A lot of noise was being made by a few different teams are bare. Ma who win the career Grand Slam at the Australian Open beating continent appears Evelyn girls. We get to shocking winner and crab eats and mies beating shoddy in Martin at Wimbledon the newly number one team from Columbia Cabal and Farah when Wimbledon and the. Us Open a bit of a doubles covet. If you recall Kabbah and Fara they had lost previously in the weeks leading up to Wimbledon to Andy Murray and Feliciano Lopez at the Queen's Club Nature Valley Fever Tree Fever Tree. Yes and so they play again in the first round of Wimbledon. That's correct right. And then they beat the right Murray Lopez. We're going to speak a little bit about a couple of observations some notable things before we get into Davis Cup. Because we haven't talked about that and then we'll do or listener questions and lead that kind of inform the rest of the recap. I think Roberto Bautisa good is the book end of the ATP SEASON. He was present for so many pivotal moments. His name kept popping up. He had an excellent year finishing at number ten. But there's there's something like forrest Gump in about his year right explained so forrest. Gump was present at many important historic moments. He was just kind of there and this year about Teesta. He Beats Novak Djokovic in Doha in the very first week of the season and wins the title. He gets the good or bad luck of drawing. Andy Murray in the first round of the Australian Open in what might have one at one. Time Andy Murray's final match ever. There was so much emotion surrounding that match because Andy made the shock announcement before the Australian Open and the tennis world was was kind of on edge. Everybody was upset and Bautisa get set unenviable task of playing and fighting against the. Great Andy Murray and possibly ushering him out of the sport. Of course we didn't know then what we know now but what a way to start your ear and in the very first three weeks of the year but I think folks felt that if it were one person who had to be in that position he would have been one of the few that you would choose one of the the Nice guys of men's tennis workmanlike. Who's built his game to the point where he has a weapons know that he's he's excelling and he's still so humble so then we get to Wimbledon. He is surprising semifinalist. He has to postpone his Bachelor Party. Any beatha because he had no expectation of To be frank eventually Novak Djokovic avengers his previous two losses to Battista in the semifinals and Bautisa goes on and has his bachelor weekend. Any BEATHA was a breakout year for him at the slams as well because he hadn't progressed to a semi final before in his career. He been somebody who was there or thereabouts And this year he was able to to take it further and finally in the final week of the ATP season we get this just incredible story a tragic story. He Gets Davis Cup to play for Spain in Spain. He got news that his father's health had taken a turn for the worse and he went home left. Davis Cup was at his father's side as he passed away and after the funeral he came back. He came back and he won a match. And so for somebody who is known for being so workmanlike and just down to business. A lot of his personal life was big news. This year this happening eighteen months after his mother passed away as I think. A lot of folks want to lionize him and make him this braveheart kind of figure for doing this. What's important to remember here is that there is no set way for somebody to grieve. And as long as you're not hurting somebody with the decisions that you make let people do what they feel. They need to do in the moment to get by bow-ties to said that he absolutely his father would have been mad at him if he did not get back to Davis Cup. I just kind of look at this from a distance on kind of be in all of him. Not that he's any better of person for playing this match. But because be frank the courage that it took to it was inspiring but I think your point in bringing about he struggled through this prism was that for such an unassuming player he featured so prominently in some of the biggest stories of the year right at he sort of found himself in these big spotlights and handled himself with APLOMB as usual John were them. Didn't some spitballing about the the pivot point of the ATP season being Rafael Nidal in Rome. Sort of what happened. At the moment he recapped quite succinctly his clay season so far which was by standards very disappointing. Losing to phone union I then team than syllabus but going into Rome with no titles and Rafa turning around his season in Rome after considering taking a pause in his season to regroup mentally and physically that changes everything that you know now we have another hardcourt masters in Montreal. We have another hardcourt major and US Open. We have a Davis Cup win. There's so much that changed. On the day he went wrong and I don't want to overstate that. But it's interesting to think what would or wouldn't have happened. If RUFFO hadn't been able to turn around his season there. I think more interesting for me. Is How momentum can shift so quickly with these top fellas on the ATP tour. Joe Kebich can be looking lost at sea and something can click for him so quickly. Nadal can look like he's invincible at at the Australian Open and then be totally vanquished by Jovovich in that final and pick up a couple of injuries and then he struggling through the best part of his season and for him. It's almost never as simple as something clicking. He needs the repetition. He needs practice. He plays with a lot of doubt a lot of the time he always talks about the good feelings once he's able to to recapture that because of being willing to go through the struggle like all these top players are then we see a complete one eighty for the rest of the season but even at Wimbledon. It wasn't obvious that things were Iran. Also unders. He played extremely well to get to the semi finals and played not just not a great match against Federer there and so looking forward a was a little more difficult to predict that he would have so much success for the rest of the season. Like it wasn't a foregone conclusion yet but it wasn't that's part of it wasn't unheard of either parts of momentum. You then create your own luck as well that stuff kind of snowballs whereas in monte-carlo or Madrid it would have gone against him in those matches where he was able to eat them another observation. I had from this year. Is that because of the way that Jovovich season ended were looking at a season with two majors and two masters titles as something of a disappointment and I think it's unfair the way that his season is being painted. In retrospect it's absurd it Franklin right. It's like it's crazy. It's not one of his best seasons but he has probably five seasons that are legendary hall of fame stuff. He won Wimbledon after being down two match points he absolutely pummeled Rafael. Nadal in the Australian Open final we got the Paris indoors Madrid on clay. And because well maybe maybe not. Because but part of the reason is that he didn't do well at the world tour finals. Serbia didn't Go on to the semifinals at Davis Cup. I like. I'm struggling to understand how anyone can be disappointed by Jovovich season. He was so close like within shouting distance of number one and he still struggling with the elbow injury so I say like cut him a little bit slack here one of the other big themes of twenty nine thousand nine hundred was Andy. Maher in general and the wild ride that we went on with with his career and the prospect of him retiring starting in Melbourne and then ending up with him coming back at Queen's winning his very first tournament back as a doubles player with Feliciano Lopez eventually winning a title a whole ass title in Antwerp beating Stanford Rinker in the final. It's it's so difficult. I do not have the words to describe all that happened with Andy. Murray in twenty and we just sat down last night to watch his documentary or as Rochester and say documentary on Amazon and it was an emotional rollercoaster. Which sums up what his entire season was Lo and behold we didn't know the full hundred the full extent of just how much an emotional rollercoaster it has been for him in the last two years. It was surprising to me how much access he allowed the filmmakers to have he left these voice memos that were raw. He revealed a lot more. I think than it has in the past about his experience with the Dunblane shooting He rarely talks about that. He talked about his brother. Jamie leaving about a year after the shooting and he shortly after his parents divorced we saw his father who we almost never see. We also saw inside of his hip while we saw. If you way more graphic graphic gratuitous footage of a hip resurfacing you know where to go. We saw way more of any more than we ever imagined. We would have like. We talked about before during Australia. It looked like and it looked like he believed this could be his final tournament. He decided to take a chance with Bob. Brian's advice on the hip resurfacing surgery and now understanding this as kind of the end of a two year process of trying literally everything and nothing really working. He break danced. He did break down a few. WanNa see Andy. Murray break-dancing wash the documentary. Now that you've made fun of how people say you don't know how to say it. Roy Messed up. Just know. There's still there's still some. I think uncertainty about how the HIP will hold up over time. His doctor said something. Like if you put seventy years of professional tennis. There's a small small chance that the hip could be destroyed. No the doctor said what? If I told you that for seven years of playing tennis you'll have to deal with a fifteen percent or thirty percent. Chance of your hip being total should again. What would you do? Would you still play so? I think he's decided to play but I mean is he really asking for seven years. It seems like he's happy with anything right now. One of the things that I found interesting getting a bit of a inside peak as to WHO Andy Murray is. We see him as this beacon on the tour four inclusivity for equity always at the ready to correct reporters when they want to exclude doubly players that that famous clip of him being asked about what. It's like to be the first player to have double Olympic gold medals and he goes male player because Serena and Venus have done it multiple times over and we were given this narrative that that stems less from his want and desire to be inclusive that was even mentioned at all but they had this kind of throwaway segment where they made. It seem like Andy just needs to question everything that he's always kind of combative about the the small things. Minutia the fine details but like big picture stuff. He's a lot more expensive in his thoughts. Right you know. They didn't tell the entire story because it was just kind of a throwaway clip. But there's definitely something to to that one of the reasons that Andy is such a champion for women's sport might be because he is so stubborn. And he so contrarian that he just feels the need to like stick it in there whenever he feels like it he loves the pushback like the tension and you can see it on court but with the big things he said you know. I think I'm I'm a good student. Basically I do what the coaches told me and do what the physios tell me. I don't fight about that. Big stuff but little trifles I'm just not willing to accept that. What we've conceived of him as this feminist icon within men's sport is just a byproduct. I'm not I'm not really about that life. Okay Okay Davis Cup. Yeah we promise that we cover this because we've missed it over the past few weeks. Obviously there was a lot of controversy about this event going in with how it has been completely refashioned and where are we now I think it it was clearly very popular it was there was so much engagement about it on social media as I mean as is to be expected tennis which was going to talk about it for better or worse there were obviously a lot of misgivings from commentators reporters the twitter commentariat. But I think there was a lot to take away from it. Both positive and negative. You said popular. It was popular for better or for worse right. There are a lot of folks enjoyed it. A lot of folks who hated it we talked about in our pre open era episode. Just how important Davis? Cup was in the first fifty years of the century of the Twentieth Century. Right how it was probably more important than the grand slams for many decades and it's just in the last twenty to thirty years that has changed right and so with the tethering of Davis Cup to nationalism and the use of sport as propaganda to further nationalistic goals. You know like that. Tethering has become frayed over the last couple of decades And so the import that Davis Cup held for such a long time as being the banner event for all these tennis federations are around the world. It's no longer the case. It's something that is still there. But it's reduced. It's it's significantly reduced and something needed to be done. I don't think there are many people who would say that nothing needed to be done to tweaked every just perfect await exact but what we got was a complete overhaul and this overhaul seemed to play second fiddle to a second year exhibition in Labor Cup. And so you go from Davis Cup having this rich history to kind of an afterthought at the end of the season what this tournament should be thanking stars for is one referendum Adele Pereira because on home soil. He carried that Spanish team to that title and that was able to brush over a lot of the flaws that could have sunk this event in the first year right. So what was there? What were does that? The buy in from players was was clearly present. Rafa Novak the Canadian team there was so much to love about the actual tennis being played like you said not. All I mean just lit up. He's won the Davis Cup several times before this. He has an incredible record in singles. And the week on an indoor hardcourts at the end of a long season out to where he doesn't normally excel. It's just he made such a case. For this event. In this format the event also succeeded in giving double such a prominent place in the event. Right because each tie I guess only had three rubbers. Two singles and then the deciding was always the doubles. The third rubber was always doubles in some cases. The doubles was not played but in many cases doubles was the decider throughout the week. Rafa Beats Huchon of he beats doted. Popovich in doubles defeats Schwartzman in the quarter-finals Plays a Dan Evans. Great Britain in the semifinals. He in Feliciano Lopez Defeats Cup. Ski and Murray. He Beats Danish up over love who was on such a run in the finals against Canada. And I haven't mentioned all of his matches but the caliber of opponents was there in a way that it's not always in Davis Cup and the ease with which he beat some of these opponents giving or allowing Diego Schwartzman. What two or three games indoors? That's that's crazy in that final. After all that he's played something like eight matches in five days by the end of it. The final match he plays. He has the opportunity to secure the Davis Cup by beating shop of all of and he does it in straight-sets after his countrymen comes back from his father's funeral and beats Felix. Oj assume in the first match of that final. Can we talk about Canada? Sure this team. The Canadian team is so deep because for most of the tournament they did not play Felix. They didn't play me Loesch. This Vashem pospisil and Dennis shop of all of doing almost everything for Canada. A healthy Canadian team is very deep. Because that would include me. Loesch rummage right. I would argue that. Canada made made it this far because of Russia. Pospisil say what we have sayid over the course of this past year bash But he was resurgent at the end of the year winning some Challenger matches and events and he parlayed that into Davis Cup magic of R- beating players that earlier in the year. Absolutely no chance keep in mind. He was off the tour for months. Rehabbing an injury and so this is exactly the type of momentum to get him back into the feeling of being a top thirty. Atp Player again. It wasn't that long ago that he was a player of Haft on eighty murder and there are all higher ranked than is open Oko Fanini. He and Dennis teamed up to play out John Van Ruby in doubles and one and then shove evolve. Beat Bertini Taylor. Fritz Chana of these. Are you know? Canada knocked out. Basically four world powers in men's tennis Italy USA Australia and Russia to reach his final two things. That didn't work. It has to be said that it is unfair given the history of this event that one team maintains such a strong home-court advantage throughout the entirety of the tournament. Right when the character of Davis Cup historically has been these raucous home court advantages these home crowds and a lot of fans weren't are just simply not going to be able to come and create that kind of atmosphere so Spain had kind of an unearned advantage by being at home or being in bed with Peking I mean what are the ways there to look at why was Madrid? Pick does the first host but at any going forward. This is the format any country is going to be seriously advantaged the website. The APP was atrocious. I mean if we mock Grand Slam sometimes when they have Faux Pas. We've seen this time and time again but this this took the cake. This was bad from snorre finish. I think that's a larger thing in tennis. Like why? Should we not use Google and all these scoring APPS wikipedia? Even what are your digital properties doing better than those in you know when you're following a tennis match and you need to find something out you need to find out. Well what is the head to head of this player against that player? Are you going to go to the ATP website or the W. T. website? I don't know. Are you going to where you're going to go to get a live score? Are you going to take the time to open the pro score APP? Or you're going to just google the name and the new Palmer right down there. It is disappointing that there isn't one spot where you can feel comfortable to get everything that you need to follow tennis. If you are that keen about there was too much tennis in the sweet. I think it's it's too much to pass to pack into one week and the matches way too late. It's not great for fans. It's not great for the players. That's something that I hope that they work out in the future and the larger issue that this is going to bubble up a lot over the next few years is that the calendar is problem right over the past few decades. These tennis associations have been trying to balance a lot of interest in their calendars and you've added Labor Cope which is Roger Federer's event through the ATP you've now added the ATP Cup in January and. There's the Davis Cup. So you have all these team events that are supposedly happening every year. And you worry about oversaturation Buying from players and the thing like with players. If there's money and there's this sheen of prestige involved the top players are going to play and they're going to try because that's just who they are well to answer your question. Maybe the problem that you describe of oversaturation. The answer to that from the organizers was just to not make it accessible to folks they just can watch because who could really find the difficult to watch it. I know this is going to be an issue going forward because these events are novel now but in a fury few years. They won't be. They're not going to be as exciting because it won't be new so you have to find a way to make this sustainable in the future Davis Cup. I was prepared to hate it. I didn't hate it. I found myself interested by the end of it. Of course I like a lot of the Spanish players so that was not surprising in that respect and I also live in Canada and I have a vested interest in following Canadian Tennis Rent. So for us it was. It was about as good a result as it could have been in terms of keeping our interests throughout the week. Roger Federer and Alexander's Verve did not have a vested interest in Davis Cup. They were like fuck that will federer other things going on. I don't think it's shocking that he should choose not play Davis Cup in this format at the end of the season now like he had scheduled this Latin American exhibition tour which is awesome because how often to South America and Central America get to see Roger Federer if ever and he took a long young Alexander Zverev as a partner who we know. Hated this iteration of David. He talked about it like it's something that he's known his entire life. And how dare they have messed with it right? When in fact he's like two or three times but his opinion as I sit here mocking him was that it was a travesty. It was terrible that they were doing this Davis Cup and he had no desire to be a part of it and that is an entirely valid opinion. Yeah no I'm not mocking that. At all I think is Latin. American tour is awesome. I think bringing tenants to fans in different countries that rarely get it is super cool. They in Santiago. They had to postpone or cancel the match in Boas because of protests and we get to Mexico City and forty two thousand people attendance match. This has possibly the biggest attendance ever for a tennis match. I couldn't verify that. But that's what that's what I've been hearing. That's what we've been told. And they expect it to be broken. Nadal and Federer Plain South Africa so honestly I'm not one to complain about exhibitions because you know it's not the same exertion as as real real matches that actually count. Let them make their money and let them complain about the calendar too. I think those are not mutually exclusive. Which is to say. Somebody can complain about the calendar and still be able to go make a few bucks here yet without you being because it's not the same without you being nasty about you know folks like to sit here and tell you what you can and cannot do. Just sit there right. Sit there on your mother's coach in the basement and just just let it be food and lent Mexico City while out because Roger Federer is there but what I did find was some folks who traveled to Mexico City to go see that match were then having things disabled people who traveled to Madrid. What's Davis go like handler man? What is going on let people live? This is tennis in the in the middle to end of November. Let's just get through it so we asked you again a few questions about your impressions of the ATP season and you are all very generous and sharing your feelings we asked. What will you remember most which I realize is very open ended? Well we want to get as many responses as we can and to the question of what will you remember? Most bad toss says transcendent RUFFO. Resurgent Andy Surging team and plummeting Gimelstob. We've touched on three of these four things already. We have not talked about plummeting Gimelstob but I think we well and truly covered this topic throughout the year. We did so. We encourage you to go back. We make time stem so that the stuff is easily accessible to. I was going through our outlines for all the episodes this year. We talked about players council and Gimelstob like a lot so I hope you all were interested because I started to get a little bored of it. But bad toss. She hit on a lot of things that you all responded with that. Us Open final. And the Wimbledon final. Those are things that kept coming up. Simpson's paradox out. Little wonder one sixty eight mentioned Rafa kneeling to catch his breath in the fifth set. And there's a lot of symbolic import to that as well because we know how much went it was very touching go into that well into that fifth set brad hunter offered the Medvedev experience at the US Open and his relationship with the crowd from match to match. Oh he went from embracing this role as villain to accepting culpability for stuff. He may have done wrong cord. And then transforming into Cinderella almost by the end of it swing volley mentioned that one of the things to remember most was members of becoming a troll. Master shows. Talk Tennis had a similar response right. He became quite skilled at it as the week goes on and I do want to circle back to something that we set on her. Us Open final. Which I think could have been misconstrued because we mentioned the stereotype of this kind of Cold War Soviet villain whether you saw throughout us culture for many many years and I grew up in the US. I I saw that growing up. I don't I don't want people to think that we were supporting that. No like what I thought. Medvedev was doing was ironically embracing that that villain archetype. So I if I was misconstrued was probably our fault anyway but I don't want people to think that I That's how I see the world but also even if media weren't in the moment aware of that aspect of it in in fact that's a whole lot of it played out right to the people in the stands on the casual especially the casual viewers watching tennis right. We have the rise of team and CNC POSS from at Russell Underscore neary. I think James Shank wrote Robert Fara. That's a that's that's the tweet that's twenty nine hundred. Which if you're not a social media follower of Tennis. I think what James is referring to. There is Robert. Ferrers insistence on thirsting. His instagram it could be just workouts. Could be just that Brad. The weight shot and the angles and this and that and the what have use it presents a different kind of viewing experience or other storage esque. I'd say there are a lot of these men who are Angling for that thirst trap Po Position. We've talked about this entire segment on the show. Before Marinko is kind of the most obvious about it I would say and self aware I mean. He went through a little phase after the break up with package where he was out here advertising what he had to offer correct. And so what I want to ask of you now is what were or who were the thirst. Trappers twenty nineteen led topic. I think it's the usual suspects you have. Vasko Gratuitous Chore Itch. Were Rinca Fara Ah anyone deeming trove a lot more classy about oh definitely damaged. I'm not here to to slut. Shame anybody that's not what this is about. But Gregor has a different aesthetic that he puts forward right all right moving on and then you have the folks who who want you to think that they're not strapping but Stephanos seats. A bus is Thir- strapping. If you recall one of his blogs he just casually wakes up out of his bed and he's in his underwear and he's taking extended strolls across the living room in said underwear it and goes to the bathroom and said underwear. Was that a choice and so might task to ATP players in twenty twenty is to keep the bullshit at a minimum and keep the thirst trapping coming and diversify keep it interesting. Give us different. Looks Mt Way Scholes? Talks Tennis Submits King Felix's runs at Indian Wells and Miami but wasn't and Anyway oh I thought it was a handle if he looks had an immense first half of the year struggled in the second half but he's beaten twice he's been for Nina Buzkashi league twice shallow curious. Need I go on semifinals in Miami. His first final. Rio Losing to share as the case when we ask these questions is a lot of overlap. One of the popular responses was Andy. Maher telling Fabio phony to shut up something that I still. I won't attempt to try and replicate. What the accent. You've you used your actual accent like that you were born with. It would be a lot closer. Showed up well no sorry. Shut up when you moved to Canada. You just started dropping your T.'s. I think shots up whatever. We're not doing this again. Andy Moore was also a a big response from folks as far as moment of the year. Things that you won't forget easily based on his retirement and comeback and winning the Ark of Andy Moore was a big response here so to us. Bautisita good on Nadal at the Davis Cup a bit of recency bias here because that just happened with. That was a big response from a lot of that's from Burne Jones specifically and Wimbledon final. We haven't talked a whole lot about it but while what a moment this thing had everything. I'm not going to repeat the infamous score because it is triggering for federal fans but Novak Djokovic overcame two match points on federal serve to win the Wimbledon Championship. I like this from our A. R. Follower at Viking drew be he said quote Federer one good swing short of the greatest moment of his career while that that hurts. That is rough. And I think that's what a lot of federal funds felt in the moment and the ensuing months and possibly still to this moment right because we saw a lot of hurt being carried through the second half of the year. Do you remember exactly where you were? When federal lost those two match points? Yes we were in the car listening to them on Satellite Radio. Yes which you've let the subscription expire and. You need to get on that. That's been like three months now But why you can't. Are you incapable error? You have that account setup. I deal with other things but yet we listen to it on radio which was an entirely different experience from watching it on TV and it was. It was devastating as a non fed fan to watch when we came home on because we had taped. We came and watched it and was like. Wow that was that was I mean the both of us have kind of a neutral interest in that match but seeing anyone go through that is just. It's a lot especially when it felt. So unforced yeah and so again commiserations to fed fans across the globe because that was a memorable moment of twenty twenty nineteen but not in a good way at all but still fitter won four titles. He won a masters one thousand in Miami. He won three five. Hundred's it's still a good year. It could have been a great year for him at thirty eight years old but for those two match points and so these fine margins that we always talk about in sports how they can shift things in big ways. This was one of them and Yovich is somebody who handles those kind of points so well especially against Federer. I you can envision several of them in your head right now yet. That's why this is so painful biggest. That's not what that was true. True true you're right. C L Moore and sixty one submits a few Rafa answers here People writing off Rafa season and Madrid. The NAL curious Wimbledon match which was actually very good. If you remember and both players had a game plan I also remember Christos. Curios calling it all a quote fucking prick on I g live. Do you remember that? It's wait again. I circled back to my bandwidth. There's just so much the season as long at willows court mentioned shoe gate. Love it the gamesmanship. In general like changing his rackets right before his opponent's serve on important points. Love it. Patty do do you love it. No I don't love it but it does give me entertainment so this is a case of multiple things being yes. Okay and thank you to add. Be More Mala because this tidbit about seatbelts in Osaka doing that. Instagram live. Do you remember that? And then promptly on following each other because I had forgotten this Stephanos released. Dm's with Naomi or we think it was with Naomi and all it was with me it was it was a. We know that we know okay. Yeah I have a feeling. She didn't really find that cute. But it carried on after that for a little one there was another incident where the rim back and forth on the Internet's. And then this happened. Okay the next question that we asked or listeners was what were your surprising or shocking moments of the two thousand nineteen season. Does anything shock you. At the end of this decade Gregoire's Topsy-turvy season was a bit of a surprise. That was proffered. By the swing. Volley Cheryl Harris Azi. Hd One one one gives us Lopez winning singles at Queens and doubles with Anne. Murray Queens Club. Having to win all those matches over the weekend was that was a legitimate surprise. Also because it was Maurice First Tournament back. He didn't come back in singles right away. He played quite a few tournaments in doubles. The first one being at Queen's Club they take the number one seat in the first match beating far and cabal who then GonNa Win Wimbledon and the. Us Open finish the year end number one in doubles. That was a big result. Shoals again gives us Novak giving a fifteen minute answer on players council and Gimelstob and I actually had to ask him which this which one this was because I feel like there have been a lot of extensive dialogues with Novak Djokovic about this issue a few times can think of to that. He got kind of upset. This was one of them. He got very testy but then expanded. What was surprising to me was that he kept being caught off guard by these questions. Right he would say. I haven't had a chance to read the victim letter. Get back to me and then when folks get back to him he's like we're doing this again. Athlete underscore tennis says given. Nobody picked Barton odile in the Australian Open. Final surprising how the year went to slams year. A number one player of the year surprising for an adult that is Catherine. Shaw says funding. Winning a masters was an unpleasant surprise. And we concur. We absolutely concur but you know at happening. Fabian quote tennis allowing a football player to come and deer. Its oldest institution burst sink and very to the point. Okay Okay Fabian. Your point across funniest moments of twenty nineteen. This one is referencing. My Russian doll sequence of tweets from February through July at Sunshine. Double One says San grins losing streak and so I got a little bit petty and each time sanguine would lose in the first round and I believe it happened nine times in a row. I would tweet about it for a matter of fact and just saying that he lost right but what half thou wrought because he reached the round of sixteen of Wimbledon and he beat Jo Wilfried Songa at the US Open. No laming that on you. He beat a thirty four year old Frenchman. It's the end of the season. The the sentence is finished. I had hoped that twenty nineteen would see the disappearance of sanguine. Didn't he won in Auckland? He gets these or two results a year. No that keep him afloat in the rankings. He's in the sixty s and this was my pushback Any still have enough money left over to contribute to our go fund me today. You'll think you're cute A lot of folks have had some jokes however if I find out these are actually the real people. I'm going to be stunned young. I mean I would like to think. It's a Coco Vandeweghe. We know it's a fit Kendall Roy that because he is a fictional character. Michigan says the curiosity but some are fleeing Kamo shoelaces the summer fling. Thou was something right. The like the private jet with what was curious. Cc Bus imaginative which was a powder keg. The social media profiling repairing these relationships. That was hilarious to me. And the shoelace thing curios presenting Stephanos with a fresh pair of shoes to preempt. The you know the Tonya. Harding shoelace moment. thirteen offers. Novak's not too bad. Not Too bad. No that's not too bad mucking. Yes we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that a lot of twins and nineteen was the top players mocking. Baldo Scott though for sleeping at most of the time. They're having fun with them except for that incident with Rafa and Burne Jones Submits Marie. Lebron the top men's players trying to pronounce English placenames. Which to be fair. I speak English. You speak English. This should is impossible. How are you supposed to know how Marlon Marlon and his pronounced not even based on the way that it's spelled at the two finals? These players were tasked with pronouncing these British names. These towns is places and what Verne Jones referencing. Specific I think is the overall experience of Marlon Nutmeg. No but how enthusiastic. Rafa was to say at incorrectly. That was my favorite one where Russia's Moore Riley Button. Which pronounced should phonetically do it a? Yeah it makes perfect sense. You've added here pettiest moment of the year. I've I've put up a few nominees and after I would like you to vote a. It's it's just you you get to vote. I Have Bill Babcock. Who might remember was the He was the president of the Grand Slam board I think and he was the one who fielded the response to Bernard Tomic after he appealed his first round performance line at Wimbledon and he wrote like the pettiest letter. I've ever seen about how there is. No Evidence Bernard that you'll change your behavior in the future. So why should I grant this appeal? It was nasty. We did a dramatic reading about it back in July. Think when the letter leaked it might have been her first ever dramatic read. It might have been so bill cock that I have. Nick CURIOS ENTIRE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE. Just a lot of rude comments. Some might say cyber bullying other might say trash a as is your want the next nominee is the ATP which announced their New World Tour Finals Prize money in twenty twenty one of fourteen point. Five million dollars very shortly after the. Wpa announced their record-breaking prize. Money of fourteen million dollars in Shanzen. This was a prices right moment. You know how when they're bidding the four players are bidding on something. This was the. I don't think this is an appropriate. No it is. It's so somebody bizet thousand and the next person says Bob Albert one thousand one whom ago it was so petty because this is an arbitrary number read the ATP landed on Fourteen Point. Something just to overbid wgn joking. I see I'm not joking. I see where you're going but I think that that comparison is tenuous at. I don't think so at all and finally pettiest one of US know you're talking about me us for any number of reasons but banning Jo Wilfried Songa banning the thirty four year old French again. I mean were taking steps that are out of line. You're making my case no because you won't even respect the process. You won't even say his name. Respect the ban the ban is therefore a reason like he's Lord Voldemort. He wanting these the time will come. When the thirty four year old Frenchman's name shall be called on the podcast again but we need to understand that he lost a two sets to love lead to tennis. Sangram at the US Open. But you'll say his name supposed to hurt. Is that supposed to make cast me in a terrible light? Am I supposed to look like the villain here? I think not. I am not bothered. So do you do have a winner out of those four. It's a tie between the ATP and Bill Babcock Bill Babcock. Try saying that three or four times in a row. He was out of pocket on the line. He was rude as fuck. That is like we said on the episode when we covered it in real time so unprofessional. Nobody who has an office should behave in that manner. An office an office. He wrote it from an office. I presume how dare you have an office and right that should take and then the ATP that is that is just so soul so petty as well. Y'All let us know as you may know you may have seen the ATP has announced its award candidates it's nominees for there to be awards player of the Year Comeback Player of the year at Cetera. The one that we want to focus on here is the comeback player of the year. Who Do you pick? There is the thirty four year old Frenchman who finished twenty eight hundred number two thirty nine now at number twenty nine winning titles in mets and mold peltier. There's Andy Murray who? I don't know how you can come back for more than he did. In the span of one year in season there is under rube. Love was one of the rising stars of the ATP TOUR ONLY TO BE DERAILED BY INJURY. And then there's Denver Bronco. What's your pick and I'm not GONNA pick. It's I'm glad I don't have to make that decision. But I think for setting the historic record straight. I will pick Songa. Just to kind of overcompensate for the injustices he has suffered on this podcast at your hands. You're trying it on your as usual doing way too much. I go with Murray Player of the year. Is there any doubt? It's not correct. Both he and Jovic wind to slam. Titles the Dow has three slam finals. He also wins two masters one thousand along with Jovovich so they're equal there but then Nadal Wins Davis Cup in this fashion to end the year. I think that kind of pushes him over the edge and he also has your number one very close which to your point. About how some folks view Joe Kabila's? Here's a disappointment when you look at their two years together. Nadal has incredible consistency throughout the year in his results but the the main tenets of their two thousand nineteen resume are very similar but an adult is viewed as a roaring success. At this point we had a few retirements in two thousand nineteen debbie per his interminable retirement tour terminated in the spring. Nicholas Magro. He called it quits. Marcus Baghdadis recovered Thomas Baird IX retirement a couple of episodes ago Victoria Burgos. If you'll recall as three Burgos won three consecutive titles his only titles in his career in Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen twenty seventeen all in Kito Ecuador well into his thirty's as well Tim smeeting. He retired recently as well as young savage and I WANNA say a couple words about young Koutoub savage because one of the things that came out of Davis Cup with tip savage on that team and Serbia failing to advance to the semifinals. Was this press conference that got a lot of play for the emotional of it and one of the reasons for that was the fact that Jiang tips which was retiring. I want to state for the record that I have not been moved by the press conference and I will not be moved by the press conference for the sole reason that Yanko tip. Savage is one of the worst offenders as far as sexism in tennis and male chauvinism onto. Atp Tour Back in two thousand eight. He had some of the worst things you'll ever hear spoken about women's tennis shy of Justin Gimelstob. He was translated as saying nine thousand. Nine percent male. Tennis players can't stand women's tennis. There's no other sport with such a big disparity concerning level of play and the money woman make a friend of mine says that a woman who wins a slam should only earn enough money to pay for her airplane ticket home. Who knows what else I would say. If it wasn't for an Angelina. Lena whom I consider friends. Imagine that because he's friends with von and Yankovitch God imagine imagine what God what could he? What worse could he say? Well what kind of friend is that? But he goes on to say worse. So let's continue. He says but of course. I appreciate the effort. They're putting into tennis because I know they practice as hard as I do. The way women think on-court cannot be compared to men they're only strategy is hit the ball where your opponent isn't. We've heard this a lot over the years. Nothing more no put more spin on the ball. This is an important point. Played to her backhand no way. Is that such kind of tennis. Works today look at the Williams Sisters Charipova or Ivanovich who hits the ball like a truck on steroids? I get a bit critical when I see how much the woman earn. And how they're opening Ron's go. That's what irritates me the most I feel like going to WTI headquarters and something all of them look at Federer who so dominant. He has to work so hard to beat us. Derochie or an Magro. You may even lose a set. And then look at Sharapova von which WHO's three games in the first four rounds it makes me sick and as it turned out the The shape of the tours are totally different in the last couple years whereby the women have so much parenting the early rounds and services out here losing easily in the first round in most tournaments that he played so that was a big prophetic in ways that he did not imagine. I have heard a lot of calls to a disorder. Forgive this assessment. But I haven't heard him reassess what he said. I had no backtracking. No apologies. Whatever you can never trust these guys. Were like heralded as the philosopher poets. No thank congrats. You've read a couple books you've read a couple of books are you ready for your quiz on the GP season. Yeah are you worried concerned. No you've done your preparation not really know if I fail like it reflects on both of us so question number one. This is a fill in the blank filling four blanks this is from the ATP Twenty Nineteen Season Wikipedia page for the masters events. The introduced a shot clock players had blank minutes to come on court blank minutes to warm up and then blank minutes to commence play as well as blank seconds between points Toga. Okay like I don't have to do it in order right now. So they have. Five minutes in the warm-up Okay Correct Day have twenty five seconds between points correct They have Like one minute to come on court correct. That's right. Yes and they have like and then the last one was. How much time do they have to commence play once they warm was done Three seconds one minute I was Gonna say I thought it was too obvious. Okay that was pretty good. Okay Yeah I'm not gonNA give you affirmation after every little thing and luckily I can give myself affirmation number two. Who won the Huffman Cup Switzerland? Who did they beat Germany? Okay you get you get all of that. Rip To the Cup which were told. We'll come back which of these players did not win an ATP title in Two Thousand Nineteen Bautista. Goot Kevin Anderson Rally Belco Felix Socialism or Taylor. Fritz Taylor it's incorrect. The answer is Felix. Oj Elliott Sam. You may definitely new. Should have known that because you laid out all the winners for this agenda Felix Made Three Finals Twenty Nine thousand nine in Rio Leo and St Guards Question Number. Four fifteen players won their first. Atp singles title named five hate this jar. Correct Christiaan gutting correct PALCA correct Oshaf evolve correct. Come on man while you're being particularly dim right now because the previous question was which of these haven't won and you picked Fritz but the answer was Oh. Ogsm so Fritz once his first correct. But I didn't ask for the answer. You have two full points for that. No I did not ask for the answer. I I wasn't done. No I asked you off air because we have pause. I said you want me to just cut you off and you said yes then so unfair. You did not explain what that meant. You got four fifths. You're not gonNA come up with the answer. The other ten men who won their first singles titles in two thousand Nineteen Tennyson Grin. Regrettably Alex Dinar. I I was GONNA say Demon our but you cut me off okay. That cannot be proven. I don't care about the rest. Go LONDERO ALBUQUERQUE PELLA MARINO SCENARIO FRITZ JERRY. Layover judge and or catch question number. Five four players defended a title from twenty eighteen named three. What really yeah. There are four players who wanNA titling Tornado eighteen and they defended twenty nineteen zinc through it. Use Your Commonsense Jovovich at the Australian Open. No no but that is correct because it is asking name which tournament but joke which is one of the answers at Wimbledon. But I didn't get that correct but I didn't ask you to tell me which tournament I said. Name the player. Oh I'm sure at all did somewhere. Oh at Rogers Cup. Yeah he did. Does that count to different cities. Also the French Open. Yeah okay also Rome. I couldn't remember if you roam the previous year. And then who was the third? It's also fairly evident dominating no Roger Federer in Basel Oh and then the other person was Nicholas busllish belly in. How'RE HAMMERED. Yep so you get two thirds for that one question number. Six six players cracked the top ten for the first time named five Bertini. Yes medvedyev guess About he's still yes seatbelts. Yes and trying to think who else was at the ATP finals neither of them were at the G had a feeling who was at like nine and ten Schwartzman no China and funny. Oh so that's four fifths. I'm giving you these questions where he can get a lot of credit lotta partial yet True or false the thirty four year old Frenchman who lost sanguine from two sets up at the. Us Open deserved his banned from the show. Absolutely false that is incorrect. I will lose a point for the very simple in correct. The correct answer is true. There is no correct correct. Answer is true question number. Eight Daniel Medvedyev led the ATP in most singles finals how many Z. Make nine correct. How did you know that because I just knew it? Now I'm going to take a page from your Wti Quiz where I give you two quotes and you tell me who said it. Question number nine. He's my polar opposite and he is Super Salty. Who said this? And about whom Nick Curio said that had to have said that about vert lasko partial Carbonara curious said that about Nidal El God. He says salty a lot about people he does. And if you recall that was from his infamous interview with Ben Rollins on no challenges remaining. Oh God how? Can we be remiss if we did not mention that on a year end? Recapping the twenty nine thousand nine season two. He talked a lot of Shit so much on that show. Does he ever need an invitation though? Well he got an invitation for that chair and he made the most of question number ten. I mean or chemistry definitely. Isn't the best that you can find them tour. It just happens with people that it's not that you can just like everyone. Oh that's a Oh God. This could be like this could be three people. I'll read it's a guy to get a couple more seconds. I mean. Our chemistry definitely isn't the best that you can find on tour. It just happens with people that it's not that you can just like every okay so this is about CPOS. I'm not going to own to give me. This is Medvedyev about city boss. Well wouldn't you know it's the complete way around it. Sits if us about Madonna and I believe that was at the Ot finals so you got zero for that one. I've tallied all your fractions and you scored five point five. Two out of ten Walsh. I don't really think that you want to succeed. A couple of these. Were pretty obvious. I feel like you definitely could have made. Hey on your so close unquestioned number ten you just gotTa go the way I would. I would like you to check your math again but I mean you gave the complete wrong answer about the thirty four year old Frenchman. You knew what the answer to. Latoya's how does that count codes intelligence the term. It's a question you answered incorrect. That is you actually knew what the answer was Dickie. You what the correct answer was an chose not to give it so you sit there in your shame of fifty five percent. I fell on my sword and I'll do it again. Well we're at the end of this season and the end of our ATP rap episode. Thank you for listening again. Thank you to everybody. Who's donated to the go fund me? We thoroughly appreciate it. We've given instruction as to what's GonNa be rewarded in the go fund me as far as a personalized email or or tbs postcard so please if you are eligible for those get ahead of the game and Diaz email us your email address or physical address or a social security number. We'll take that too and if you you're like well. I don't want no Jenky. Tbs Postcard email us and let us know that too because that's a that's a valid perspective to have. You can get in touch with us on twitter. I'm Jonathan you can find me tennis underscored John James at Elliot J Amar to else to tease you can. Dm The body serve on twitter at the body serve. You can instagram us at the body. Serve or email addresses. The body serve at gmail.com. Thank you for a wonderful year. We have enjoyed you all. That's a wrap on season. Five your season five is in the books. Next year we moved to Spanish. Because that's bullshit. Thank you very much

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 264: Under the Radar Players and Stories to Watch

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 264: Under the Radar Players and Stories to Watch

"The. Golden State concepts, baseball podcasts we cover everything majorly from spring trees to the world series. Got Your Favorite Club cover from New York to Boston to La. This is the golden state media concepts, baseball podcast. Welcome back to G. S. C. Baseball podcast you're on the GS MC podcast network. I am your host Colin Manley bringing you another episode we got those Sundays and Wednesday baseball episodes coming your way got a lot of things to talk about I'm looking forward to this. I. Actually had the day to watch a great deal of baseball if feels like I'm catching a lot of games but never really get to just sit down and watch as we head into Labor? Day, weekend. I had that privilege and it was a great thing to have which led to US having a lot of time to think about the stuff that we wanted to talk about today on the baseball podcast and you know it's a long list I mean we gotta do our news noise. We have to cover that stuff like we do every time because there's so much injury news especially in our crazy crazy sixty games season these injuries become so much more important. So we gotta start with talking with a little bit of that. We also want to take a look at the. Newest starting pitching. Power rankings that were released from. MLB. Dot Com this was fun to look at. We have quite a bit of movement. This week, which was exciting. Some guys that are coming on this list that weren't in in previous weeks. Definitely. Deserving something we have to look at, we also want to talk about. Things that we're looking forward to for the rest of the season I have some storylines. Some things on my mind that definitely need to be discussed what I'm GonNa be watching until we reach game sixty for all our teams, and then lastly, we have to talk about some players that just are not getting enough love. This season everything has been jam-packed in. So that means some guys are. Going to be missed with all the great baseball they're giving us or maybe just potentially we know who they are were hearing about them a little bit. But we gotta get the shout out and give them a little bit more love because it just hasn't been enough seems like a good list lot of stuff to talk about four. Sure. But we're going to be starting off with that employs. Around. The League around the MLB getting you up to date on all thirty teams in Major League Baseball, and we're going to start off with a contract extension for General Manager Mike Rizzo for the Washington nationals he gets a three year contract extension seems very earned considering the Pequot. He just won a world series. He's done a great job that team together now obviously, it's a down year for the nationals injuries playing a big part they have just not had their full healthy team together. And they're they're working on house money. When you win a world series title really in any industry obviously, you don't want to go into a rebuild right after. We were realistic. It's hard to repeat. It's hard to do these things over again very quickly. So once you get that one title, you have a little bit of leeway I feel like for the next couple of years and when you get that title and you did such a great job building a roster like Rizzo did you're definitely going to get some extended time and? Power to the nationals for giving him a three year contract extension that was announced on Saturday. When it comes to some injury news holy man, we have a lot of stuff going on Jose L. to for the Astros. He has been struggling this season to put it very lightly while he was placed on the ten day I L on Saturday. As the club dealt with the reality that his right knee sprain will need more than a day or two to heal. He's eligible to return September fourteenth. To injure the need during a slide into third base on Thursday also concern is that the same as limited limited him over the last two months of the two thousand eighteen season and required some off season surgery. So they're hoping that it's not some sort of lingering affect coming back with this. You can just tell something's up with L. Doobie I. It's it's not a great season. I know a lot of people like to make jokes about why doesn't have the trash can help this year there's stuff going on there But he's been so great for so long former MVP, you don't like to see these guys struggle as much. They are even if you're against the Astros and wanting to see them be a little down this year hoping to see Al to big things going again hopefully later in the season. Coming back to those Washington nationals while they scratch want Soto from the lineup of game one of double header against the braves on. Friday because of left elbow soreness, he also missed too. But an MR came back clean according to their manager Dave Martinez. He was quoted saying we're going to give him a couple days. He's pretty tender it's throwing elbow. So we're going to see how it feels tomorrow and then go from there. I'm assuming he's going to need a couple of days off. With the nationals being kind of behind in the National League. He's not looking like they're going to be a playoff team this year no reason to definitely have any. We don't need to push one Soto period this season, you don't need to rush anything, get him back. He is a future player. So, incredibly young don't do anything stupid when it comes to Juan Soto Josh Harrison was also added to the starting lineup in sodas place but had exit the first game of Friday's doubleheader after being hit by a pitch that caused a left forearm contusion Soto in Harrison both remain out of the lineup Saturday for the Atlanta Braves some pitch news finally that I'm sure they're looking forward to hearing about Cole. Hamels is GonNa Throw Live Brett batting practice on Sunday afternoon a great step forward as the veteran left-hander who missed all of spring training with a shoulder problem, and then some left triceps tendinitis a week into their summer camp. Has Been on the shelf for way too long. The brains as a team we talked about that didn't make really big push for pitching at the trade deadline. With free pitching. So well, calling up in Anderson, he's been doing well for them in the short stint. They're probably hoping that this is kind of like a midseason acquisition hamels coming back to help out the team as the Elba's will take batting practice for a third straight day on Sunday, and then possibly could begin playing simulated games at the braves alternate training site. He has been sidelined since August fifth were they rice right? Wrist bone contusion toughness either if all goes well over the next few days, the second basement could be activated from the I l. on Wednesday or Thursday. So even more news and I'm sure the braves eleven to hear beef up that lineup get things going in the right direction as we end the season or at least getting towards the end of the season. Those New York Yankees still dealing with A. Amount of injuries while they continue Friday as the club place both Gio your shallow and Jonathan Lazaga on the ten day L. List or show is dealing with a bone spur in his right. While Zia is silent by unspecified non covert medical condition. Definitely going to be waiting for more news to becoming there some good news though for the Yankees Gleyber Torres who had been dealing with a left hamstring and quadriceps strain was back in the lineup Saturday after being activated from the Injured List Jim Carlos Stanton would been dealing with a left hamstring. Strand is running about seventy five to eighty percent according to manager moon but there is still no set date for his return to the. With the Yankees recently losing Aaron Judge a big Bat a lot of pop in their lineup. The return of Stanton would be huge. He is most likely to be playing that position. So they're going to be working him up to where he can hit and run some bases not really worrying about much feeling I imagine he may be back sooner than later, which would be a big help to. The Yankees the Toronto Blue Jays prior to Friday's doubleheader against the red. SOx At fenway park manager. Charlie mental shared some positive news about boobs shed was been out with a sprained right knee. But ramped up his rehab recently, he was quoted saying he's doing a lot better than we thought he was going to be at this time US running basis yesterday hit batting practice than tomorrow we're going to. Have a simulated game for him. Let's stipulate a game on Saturday will include Ken Giles Facing Bichette at Fenway Park. This will be Giles second session facing alive hitter and while the Blue Jays are hesitant to put anytime timeline on them for his return it's possible that the club is gonNA consider activating him if he comes out feeling strong, which would be big news considering how hop the Blue Jays have been as of recent, moving up the alias and trying to cement themselves into a playoff spot into the American league. So two big parts for them moving forward will see when they get to come back and get on the bill for the Tampa Bay Rays Ryan Rar, Bra who has been out since August twenty eighth with some left growing tightness. Will he threw a bullpen session on? Friday. Raise manager Kevin cash so that there were no setbacks. Next time that the left-hander throws could be in a game actually. Also for the raise Oliver. Drake progressing well but manager Kevin Cash indicated that he is still likely about a week away from returning. So just a little more time for him but any pitching to come back to the raises great for them as well as they're making that push as one of the best teams in baseball going towards the postseason. But I'm sure they would love to try their hardest to hold onto that number one spot going into it for the Detroit Tigers Nico Good Room on the ten day I feel as of Saturday retroactive to Wednesday which means. He could be eligible to return September twelve against the white sox but with the oblique bothering him. On his left handed swing unpredictable nature of oblique injuries. These ones are really hard to predict will the Castro could get the bulk of the playing time going forward if good returns he might be limited in swinging just right handed an interesting thing when it comes to switch hitters being limited what you can actually do but that also when we start looking at lineups. He might not be thrown in there to start against the lefty potentially based on what matchups the team is trying to play the Miami. Marlins. Eliezer Hernandez has been transferred to the sixty day I, L. Ending his season, you hate to see these longer l stints. You just don't have any time to come back. So Losing Hernandez. who was having a great season is a pretty big blow to the marlins. One thing that they thought was a strength was their starting rotation. Six starts. Twenty five year. Old Right. Andrew was one at. Three point, one, sixty, a thirty, four strikeouts. I've walks in twenty five and two thirds, innings, the Marlins, another team that's Kinda just believing that they can make a run to this postseason when it comes to the National League the National League is wide open, very wide open. So we're GONNA talk about this a little bit more later. So you just don't WanNa see any hits coming for a team in this season Arizona cardinals, place Kwong Hailing Kim on the tenth day, I? L on Saturday. On Friday morning Kim experience some abdominal pain on his right side was sent immediately to emergency room at a Chicago hospital diagnosed with a kidney ailment and remain in the hospital until Saturday afternoon as the pain had gone away. In another move for the cardinals they had activated Andrew Miller has some left shoulder soreness from the ten day I l. so sending a little bit of bullpen help. Back for Saint Louis Love to see that answer Miller when he is on, he is one of the best at the back end of a bullpen a very powerful good arm. So that's positive news for Saint Louis Cardinals fans out there for sure. Moving over to the Minnesota twins, Max Kepler is landed on the I l. on Friday with a left abductor strain. An issue that Rocco bellies described as very mild should only keep the rightfielder sideline for that minimum tim days. Hopefully, they don't think it's going to have to go much past that the twins didn't make a move also to place Louise Arias on the I l. after the second basement exit Wednesday with a left patellar soreness although he said, it's a reoccurrence of the persistent knee issues that have bothered are as throughout the season but the twins feel he can manage the injury without the need for any type of extended stint off the field on the I l. they think he's going to be able. To come back and be ago most of the time in manage this something, he's going to be able to overcome throughout season and then lastly, news that is just devastating in. Sad even at Baltimore was falling out of things a little bit. The Orioles have placed Anthony Santander on the I l. Saturday with a right oblique strain that is expected to sideline him for at least several weeks according to manager brand hide with about three weeks of games remaining. It's looking like a possibility that Santander won't play again this season he was having just a great great year when it comes to the Baltimore Orioles. Their offense had been huge for them for a lot of the season and Santana being a big reason why thirty seven games played honored fifty three bats, twenty four runs, forty hits he was batting two, sixty one but eleven home runs thirty, two RBI's top ten in the league with those numbers. You just don't want to lose any offensive production as you're going on the season like I said fallen off a little bit knee alias in the Al period and when you lose a big bat like that, it's only GonNa hurt you even more. So that's GonNa be at for news and noise around the League get you caught up on all thirty teams. In the MLB we have a great deal of things that we WANNA talk about the next thing that I want to dive into. I WanNa talk about the newest starting pitcher power rankings that came out on MLB DOT COM. This is one of the coolest things I. Think they do. We've made a dive into other positions as well. We WanNa talk about the top ten. We WanNa talk about some guys that are just on the outside. How do we feel about this? We're GONNA take a dive into that here coming up on the GMC baseball podcast on the G. S. M. C. podcast network. This is your ultimate staffer everything sports, the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should I say more from the NFL, Mel beat the NBA immense. It's all in here the golden state media concepts, sports podcast listen. Now. Well it has to be said one of the things that has been the most fun to watch this season would have to be all of the great starting pitching. Now, we knew coming into this year that there's always gonNA be a couple of guys that have hot stretches that are gonNA look great in a sixty game sample. I. Didn't expect this many and that's for sure talking about the fact that I was kind of expecting a great deal of offensive numbers to be huge. and. I just I love the surprise I am someone that growing up. Loved to pitch love to be on the mound. It's somewhere where if you're on your game, it's one of the most dominant positions you can have. We talk about other sports about how great quarterbacks can beat when you look at hockey how great goalie can be to change things basketball I mean that's just superstars all around but baseball when you have a top notch dominant pitcher. These guys can change games changed series. Do some great things. So we gotta take a look at the MLB dot com power rankings for pitchers voted by a bunch of writers for MLB dot. com and it's just a fun discussion and we have to start things off with the other pitchers receiving boats are honorable. Mention guys 'cause just even looking at this list. This is some incredible names some very incredible names considering what they have done this season those sitting just outside. Looking in six Sanchez for the Marlins marlins starting pitching has been pretty good. Sanchez has been having a strong season for them. He is just on the outside looking in Max Scherzer. WHO's been around with some injury issues he hasn't been. Living Up to the full potential that he usually is, but he's sitting on the outside looking in Garrett Cole who was riding a very long regular season winning streak in when he took them out on the outside looking in tyler glass. Now, for the raise can semi ADA for the twins who under the radar key had been having a great season. Numbers have come up a little bit as of recent but he's still been good high engine review for the Blue Jays that move for them to go get a top starter taking him away from the dodgers. Signing him up at frequencies looking better and better, and then sunny great who has been just. Outstanding. For the Cincinnati. Reds this season. Now he was. Obviously very dominant early that year as ballooned up a little bit to three point nine but a three point one, nine year is still pretty stinking good. That's just seven names. Of great players on the outside looking at. So that's what really Kinda puts a lot of. A lot of validity into this list. which we're GONNA. Keep. Count. Iger down. Number ten. Clayton Kershaw for the dodgers him coming back healthy has been awesome leading the first place Dallas dodgers pitching with a one point five era since he debuted on August, Second He hasn't allowed more than run in five of the six Darts and eleven strikeout game against the mariners also became the third youngest pitcher to reach two, thousand, five, hundred strikeouts in a victory over diamondbacks. He has been great reaching major milestone and with everything that the dodgers have going for them offensively. Getting, great pitching from the veteran lefty Kershaw. Only helps them more moving forward. He's sitting at number ten and I imagine as this goes on if he continues to pitch obviously. He's GonNa Climb up this list he hadn't been ranked previously. So a nice climb for Kershaw, at the moment number nine on this list Zach Gallant for the diamondbacks is a guy I wanna talk about later as well. They have it's Britain. So long hair flying under the radar compared to other names. But he has been great for a diamondback team that we were worried about their pitching. He has stepped up to the plate and been great one point eight zero. Seven shutout innings of one Ed ball against the dodgers in his first start of September. I mean young pitcher twenty, five years old leads the national league in innings pitched as an allowed more than one run in his last four starts. There's not much. You can save on Zach. Gallon. That is amazing. He's given seven quality starts. Is Only one in. season. Hitches. It's kind of heartbreaking look how is numbers are, and then how sad some of it is at the same time. So Zach Gallon sitting at night and number eight Lucas Lido for the white sox he wasn't ranked either. So ten, nine, eight. Kershaw. Gallon Alito all not ranked coming into this week previously. And it when it comes down to it throwing a header, you're going to get people's attention and that's what he did. Je Lido has just been a strong strong answer for what the white sox needed. Pitching. Three point one, four year Ra. That's good. That's good enough. You're going to be doing great things with that. He's got offense behind him and if he can continue to put guys down, keep the runs down, he's going to help a white sox team that has aspirations to go onto a world series. And with everything that he has helped wise behind him, you Kinda got believe that they have a chance that's for sure. So Jr Alito coming in at eight number seven, a small slide, a small slide down. For Lance. Land. Of the Rangers you previously was ranked at number four now seven. Lynn was slotted here. Allowing six runs against the Astros is the IRA went up two point six seven after that start sliding in the AL era race. But he still has a resume for this season that has been quite quite good at a two point six, seven era like we said. Foreign two on the season fifty, seven innings pitch averaging almost ten strike as a game. One Point, eight war that whip is still under one as well. He's on a team where he just doesn't have a lot of help. The offensive production is not there for the Texas Rangers. But he continues to give quality starting to quality start in his nine game started seven of them were quality starts. If he was just on a better team, who knows how we'd be talking about this last year two, hundred, forty, six strikeouts great season this year three through fifty, seven and one third. So continuing to give people out via strikeouts. Great to see Lance Lynn. I wish he was on another team. I really do. This is the discussion. I'm still kind of upset and bothered that the Rangers didn't move him when his stock was so high. Disappointing. Who knows what his season could look like the rest of the way number six Trevor Bauer for the reds Last week at seven. Lost a couple of games since the link the rankings were released last. Something they pointed out to but his era still at two point one three. He's on pace to have a great great season with that. Also. Lower than half of his era from last you. Four point four, eight era last season he has been that good. Some of his best strikeout numbers, he's got fifty four strikeouts so far on the season. That's a great thing. He continues to be a bright spot. For since natty seven games started five quality starts. He's another dude that I wondered about being moved. It's GonNa. Be a free agent is whip is low his wars good. Almost Thirteenth Strike Game He's got great numbers. He's just set himself authorized payday, and he's he's an interesting guy when comes to this off season as well because. He talked about how he's going to be signing a bunch of one year contracts. Trying to continue to get the most value he can I find it an interesting move considering that next year money isn't necessarily guaranteed is in question, but we'll see where this ends up going. There's definitely a lot of things to be talking about number five. Aaron. Nola for the phillies previously was at eight. A guy that was in on conversations not too long ago. Last year was not a great year for him. He's bringing it back fifty seven strikeouts for four innings. Two point four, five era. Five quality starts foreign to record. You know you can't always take records for what it is. Eleven point seven strikeouts per nine innings that whip point eight, six, doing a lot of great things for affiliate team that starting to surge in the right direction as well as they're trying to make the push towards the postseason I'm sure that they are over the moon. Glad to be have nola throwing as well as he is for sure Max freed for the braves all the way up to number four expert is continued to be one of my favorite guys talk about was ranked on the. List. But he has been so good to move up into a top five position and this is something that I. Don't think many people can argue just going off whatever it'll be. Dot Com has twenty six year olds having the breakout season for the braves. They lost Mike Saroka to injury. was considered to be their ace coming into the season. Free ranked second in the National League era at one point, six release that was at the time of the writing this. Now, he's currently at one point nine eight. In those nine starts still sitting at six own record, fifty innings pitched he has given up what we got here. Only eleven runs on the season. strikeouts aren't necessarily as thing is he's averaging abe point five per nine innings still almost one in inning that whip is just a little bit over one at one point zero six but a two point seven war being a very strong showing from a starting pitcher. The only interesting stat that I would say on him nine Games started that six zero record. Only considered to have four quality starts on the year. Maybe a little bit concerning, but freed has been great regardless. So you can't really knock him too much for that. Probably, pretty deserving to be this high up in those power rankings. And then let's get to these three because these three are kind of really good right now Yu Darvish. We need to be talking about him more. ONE POINT FOUR FOUR ERA Superb eight-game started seven one record. Fifty innings pitched. Sixty three strikeouts eleven point three strikeouts per nine innings. He has been throwing. A great deal of cutters this season. And then following it up with a chain or a curveball. That has been incredibly slow but effective, and then he's able to come back with a fastball tops out almost ninety eight miles per hour. His mix between speeds and pitches is getting people off balance. And he has just been very effective throughout the season. It's been one of US best career seasons. is starting to figure things out for the cubs in a way that we have not seen from him, and it's been exciting to watch only eight earned runs on the season only three home runs. Bent Superb Point Eight eight whip two point four war. That's what you need from ace and he's given it to him. It's funny to say at spot three. The numbers he has are better than just being the third best guy. But these other two have been kind of that great Jacob Graham for the mets your a a little bit higher as he sits to than you darvish at one point seven six he's only to win on the season and it's getting to be a pattern for degrom. Hispan-. been so good. But for some reason when he is out on the mound. The mets just don't win enough games. His record is never great. But it's not him. It's never him point nine whip twelve point seven strikeouts game one, point four, four, seven, seven, stars, five quality starts to one fifty, eight strikeouts in forty one innings pitched. Fourteen Games. Extravagance the MARLINS. A career high. He has. The ability to just make people miss. The FUN staff for him. Thirty swing and misses through six innings of a game he had. A. That is just unbelievable. You don't get guys to with that much. You don't see that happening. Yes. You might have your strikeouts but many whiffs is. UNHEARD OF. He is fighting to get another cy young and he's going be in the conversation once again because his stuff is that good he is that good Jacob degrom. Cementing a dominant dominant legacy and then number one no surprise. You could have predicted this from the start just because he has been the best this season. Shane Bieber for the Indians One point. Two best in the bigs. strikeouts eighty four. Best in the bigs. Fifty two and two thirds innings pitched. Averaging, fourteen point four strikeouts per game. Two, point six war. He's only given up thirteen walks to go along with those eighty four strikeouts. It gives started equality starts six on the season. BIEBER IS GONNA be in the conversation for the MVP. Any should be. Very will should be is not crazy to see that or have that conversation anymore. But. This is just flat out dominant pitching and a big reason why the Indians are playing ball as they are. What one guy take them out to keeps you in the game regardless. It's it's worth bringing up. It's no worthy Shane beaver being the best. So that's the list that it'll be dot com put out there. I can't really even disagree with much. Maybe. We can move around these guys in the top ten a little bit. But these dead names are great guys chain beaver being one to Jacob degrom three you darvish for Max freed five Aaron Nola, six trevor. Our. Seven Lance Lynn Eight Lucas Toledo nine Zach Gallon and then ten Clayton Kershaw. Starting pitching starting pitching is good. Maybe we can talk a little bit about Zack Wheeler being out of there. He's been all right doing well for the phillies. Maybe. Zach Davies a little bit. He sees not getting all the love he probably deserves. But I'm not going to argue too much of this top ten list. I it's a salad salad list and I think it's something we can go with and I'm to see how it changes for sure going into next season. So next week I should say not next season, but we're gonNA take a quick break. And, then we're going to dive into. Some players. Just. Are Not getting enough love this season. You may even have in mind yourself here on the GMC baseball podcasts and the SMC. Guest. Network. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen closed and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The Golden State media concept's podcast network is here nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered. From News Sports Music Fashion Entertainment Fantasy football and so much more. So stop alerted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to fulfill that podcast is. Whatever it may be a visit us at www dot gs, MC podcast, Dot com follow us on facebook and twitter, and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play. To say, this happens every single season and I think it's very safe to say. There are just some guys that fall under the radar. You don't have them up they're getting enough love that they deserve. This goes across all sports. This is nothing new here comes to looking to MLB NBA NFL what have you there's guys that don't get the love they deserve. So we need to take a moment. And we need to start talking about some of these guys. because. I love dishing out the love I love giving it where it is needed. Just you know I love to bring up all these players. So we're going to start doing that I have a list written down here. Let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine names. Nine names see if we can get through all nine in this segment because they deserve a little bit of love for this season starting off with one of my favorite players to watch. Mr Trae Turner. Now The Washington nationals are sitting at fourteen and twenty four on the season coming off a world series. And it seems like it's a team that we don't talk about it. The quietest quietness champion. And injuries were been playing a big part in this. This is why this team is not getting the spotlight the love it should. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be talking about trae Turner and the season he's having because the shortstop in his thirty eight games hitting three, sixty eight we had been talking about. Black men at the top of the batting average for most of this season and just I dunno where sneakily. All of a sudden trade turner is sitting on top of the League. Not always eating for that three, sixty, eight, average nine home runs twenty two rb is on base percentage of four, twenty one. Thirteen walks to twenty five strikeouts. He protects pretty well s one point, five, three slugging of six, thirty two. Just been steady and if he was on any contending team right now, we would be talking about him in MVP conversations. Problem is the nationals are out of it and it's even harder to talk about him considering how many teams in the National League are still in the playoff discussion. They have a three point, eight percent chance of making the playoffs nationals right now. have put up one, hundred, eighty one runs but they're negative sixteen they just. Are Out of it they're not getting a lot of coverage it feels like. Betrayed Turner needs to be getting some love because what he's doing is pretty, pretty phenomenal. The next guy that. He's up there in such. Statistics Scar Hernandez. The. Blue Jays are real right now. Incredibly real they are tied with the Yankees for second in the Al East the Yankees, the team that we thought was going to be so good was gonna run away with this thing potentially the best team in baseball while not only his Tampa Bay win a division pretty easily. Toronto is now right there. What are the teams we talked about who can be exciting now? The Yankees. Are obviously having some injuries, but that doesn't take away from what Hernandez doing for this team, the twenty-seven-year-old banning three Oh eight pretty darn good average considering where we've seen players all over the place this season fourteen home runs tied for third showing off his power twenty seven rb is then a promising promising player I'm sure fantasy people artists loving the production they're getting on a Hernandez. He. Doesn't get you a Lotta walks but that's what happens when he on a slugger is all PS isn't as great at. Point nine five compared to a lot of other people that were to talk about. But that's slugging at six thirty seven is still pretty good. On base percentage isn't that much higher than his batting average batting average three, await on base three, fifty eight we talked about it more strikeouts than walks but that doesn't stop him from being a big time slugger putting balls in play doing great things for Toronto. We talk a lot about these young guys. TORONTO, that have been great. The second generation starter exciting. The Hernandez kind sits on the outside looking in. But he's still producing at such a high cliff that it doesn't even bother him at all. That's for sure. The next guy that we WANNA talk about. When it comes to offense of production. The Chicago cubs have a guy in Ian happ. WHO HAS BEEN LIGHTS OUT Lights out twenty six years old. There's a lot of names in Chicago we know above Brian We know about Rizzo we know about bias. ESPN. APP is their team. MVP this year batting three ten. Six seventy four slugging one point nine, three zero P S. Four. Eighteen on base percentage twelve home runs twenty four rbis is a big source of offense for this cubs team as they are winning in the national league central up two and a half Ganz that cardinals team is sneakily right. They're not that far behind. But it looks like the cubs are going to be holding on at least for the time being and Ian have just needs to be talked about more considering what he has been doing. I mean I was a little bit surprised. I, haven't been watching the cubs as heavy as I should just keep winning they're doing fine. The one thing that I know about the cubs is the excitement in their dugout is third team that's doing a better job just loving playing baseball this year than the cubs I don't know if there is. An just continues to produce and do great things, and we'll see if that continues on moving forward will definitely be watching this team in the postseason as well. The next guy, we WANNA talk about. You know Houston's making a climb. Houston is sneaking up on Oakland. Three Games back that far. They can catch them. And Houston's loaded with tons and tons of names. Of guys you most likely new. But the guy that's putting together some production especially when it comes to baton in some runs. Is Kyle Tucker. Kyle soccer not a guy that I'm sure many people were expecting to be a big force of offense. I. Mean you might have expected to have a good season for the astros but to be one of their lead guys. Little Bit surprising twenty, three years old. Lot of baseball head of them sitting right now fourth in the MLB with thirty. Seven home runs to eighty one batting average. That'll be fine. Slugging at five, eighty five. So little bit below overseeing. So there might be a little bit. Of leukaemias with all the RBI's and having just great situations on base percentage of three, thirty three. But when it comes to it when you got guys on base. It takes sometimes especial hitter to just get those guys running around if there's something that frustrates me more in baseball, it has to do with running position scoring guys in scoring position. Less than two outs. And strikeouts people getting strikeouts all the time. Kyle, Tucker's doing a great job getting those runs around. And it needs to be mentioned. It needs to be brought up thirty five. RB is only five behind our leader and Jose Abreu on the season who's been absolutely mashing as of recent that Kinda just puts a little bit more in perspective out Great Kyle Tucker's bent for the Astros. So giving a little love their their for Kyle Tucker. That's four hitters that I have. I. Have Four pitchers I want to talk about and I knew I brought up nine names. So I'm hoping I can get to this last name too. But we talked a little bit about two of these guys that are starters. Zach Gallon. For what Arizona has gone on. The, it they seem like they're gonna be on the outside looking in I'm really surprised. They're the team in last place in the AOL analyst. Didn't think we'd see that one coming. We thought the offensive production was going to be there. We worried about their pitching. We were pretty right that a lot of their pitching is trouble. But Zach gallons great at one point eight. Yari only one win on the season seventy quality. Sorry seventy seven quality starts. Only one no. We WanNA know. You're giving to your team, but your team's just not giving back fifty innings pitched. Only given up thirty two hits on year. Almost ten strikeouts a game. It's it's in that category. Most of that Jacob Degrom, I'm giving you quality innings quality starts what you need for me. And we're just getting the winds on my record. It's sad sad. Sad to see. The next Guy Lucas Gelo. No hitters. Get your attention out there. So we definitely talked about because of that. But he's got a lot more going for them beyond that three point two, nine, hundred. Pretty good. That'll that'll be good enough when you got the offense behind him that he does. On the season he's getting strikeouts. With that era being three point two, nine thing that I like to see next to it is whip underneath one. Not Giving up walks hits every inning. Almost striking out little twelve point three per nine innings. Getting guys out in that way six quality starts on the season. The white sox got something that they probably didn't think was going to be a strong to begin the year they went out and got bales Kaikal. They were probably hoping that Kopech was going to be there. Getting another starter to be doing quality stuff for them is going to be big and it's going to help them even more going into the playoffs. He has been great for them. Zach Davies getting traded from Milwaukee getting out of Miller Park. Might. Be One of the best things that's ever happened to him. Is Pitching San Diego. He has eight game started only considered three quality starts, but he's four and all and two point. Two three sorry six to two point two three. E. R. A. Only three quality starts. Now he's not a big strike out guy never going to be never was seven point eight per nine innings. Point Nine, three, whip a war at one point four. San Diego going out to get clemenger. Having. Some other pitching available to them. Paddock is there who's been all right clovinger and now Davies it's what's holding back Mackenzie Gore from getting called up. It it really is. And? I just don't think he was a guy that was a part of this trade. I'm sure that the positives were glad to be getting back a starter. In Davies. When they traded away serious for Grisham and Davies but I didn't know. That they were GONNA to starters Grisham holding his own in the outfield and then Davies being such a strong starter. Early results looking like they're winning that trade. Obviously, there's going to be a lot more coming into it since curious is young for the brewers so that one's GonNa take some time. Talk about a win talk about a win of a trade. When. It comes to. What is happening with Zach Davis in San Diego. The knacks guy that we need to talk about. Might potentially be. The Best Relief Pitcher in baseball this year. MLB DOT COM be network. A lot of these guys are talking about him right now. He's getting a Lotta love recently. So. Maybe it's not one hundred percent fair to be putting him on here. But Devon Williams. For the Milwaukee brewers. Is. been. Outstanding. Josh ater. Is The guy at the end of that bullpen we all know Josh Hater we all know unhittable. He is. We know how great he is. And then you've got a guy in Devon Williams and other draft pick for the brewers made developed Ron Long. WHO has. been. Amazing for them. Fifteen games already this season that's thirteen last year. Point five three are A. Point five nine whip. Thirty five strikeouts in seventeen innings. Say. That again. The hertie five strikeouts. In, seventeen innings. He is just getting people to miss. At a high rate. And when you go out and you watch him. He has one of the best changeups in baseball. That thing is filthy and he can just paint corners with it. I don't remember a time that I saw reliever that great with a change like I'm seeing Devon Williams this year, and luckily being a guy in Wisconsin getting to see him a lot. The brewers don't play with a lot elite. It feels like at least close game leads. In some games but Devon Williams then is just been superb. When it comes to holding games and making hitters look silly. Silly, out there. That's for sure. So those are eight guys that are having great. Great Great Seasons under the radar not getting enough love but I do have one more I want to talk about just in the sense that we do love this player. He is definitely hyped up when you think of his team, he's a top notch guy but I wanted to throw it out there because I don't know if we're appreciating how good he is this season. Even though we appreciate how good of a player he is it all round. But once Soto has been kind of. Absurdly Great. Absurdly, great. Let's let's talk about his offensive numbers. Okay. He's sitting at eleven home runs. Eleven home runs in twenty seven games. All of the other people ahead of him. F played at least at least. Nine more games than him. Lake trout being at nine ahead for more home runs. So that's a start. He has the highest ogsm in baseball at one point two one the next closest is in Hab at one point zero nights three. That's a pretty incredible gap. Slugging is leading the League at seven, Fifty Eight. The next closest inhabits six, seventy four. At three fifty, four batting average yet, and that on base percentage is also 453 another hundred points Ed. He has been on standing. Seventeen walks only struck out sixteen times more walks than strikeouts. Want Soto has been. Potentially as well the best player in baseball this year. We talked about how Great Trade Turner would be another team. It'd be getting MVP conversations. This is something else that hurts him. There's another guy in his team who's just been absurdly better. And I don't know if we're talking enough about how great is season has been coming at late only twenty seven games. And he's putting up crazy numbers. Crazy numbers not just his averages. Production as well being behind. So many of these other players. Is, fun is young. He's only GonNa get better I just hope he's healthy I know that he's got some questions with the asteroid the nationals right now stay healthy. Be Good. On. Soto you're absurd man. So that's my list of players just not getting enough love this season. There's a lot of a lot of guys out there have been doubt I had some even some other names that I've thought about talking about if only we had enough time to get everybody but that's what we have. We're GONNA take a quick break and we're gonNA come back because we need to talk about storylines for the rest of the season. That I have my eye on I, think you should to it's GonNa be fun to watch fun to monitor here on the GMC baseball podcast. Want to know the latest than soccer that listen to the golden state media concepts, soccer podcast. LS Is the world of the Premier League we got you covered the latest update the hottest matches news on the League's top players. It's the golden state media concept soccer podcast. Listen. Business. Will. Stretch of the season where we need to start thinking playoffs in anything crazy. That could possibly happen. Well, it's approaching. It's approaching. We got teams that are hitting forty games now. Two thirds of the way through the season and with those forty games being down. There storylines that we need to start discussing I know that I have a lot of things that I've been interested in in looking at. Because there's a lot of unknowns lot of questions going in. To the end of the season. And I wanted to take the time to sit back, sit down and discuss with you what some of those things are. So we're GONNA start things off with one thing that I think that is going to be the most interesting at least in my eyes is how in the world is this National League playoffs? Going to fall? There is really only one thing in this National League that I am pretty certain when it comes to the playoffs. The dodgers are GonNa be the number one seed. They are at thirty wins right now. They could lose the rest of their James, they're gonNA go five, hundred and most likely at that five hundred record they make the playoffs still their playoff percentage. On ESPN right now one hundred percent. One hundred percent gonNA make the playoffs. Okay. But going from there from there. We have a lot to discuss. Other teams that have high probability to make the playoffs we'll the second highest right now is the Atlanta Braves and ninety eight point eight percent chance. Just below them, the San Diego padres ninety eight point seven. That's three teams so far the cubs at ninety six point eight. So That's three of your division winners won second. Place team. Than Eighty nine point, nine percent chance the Philadelphia Phillies, a team that has been surging eight to in their last ten doing some great things they're up. There are only two games behind the braves also, at this point that needs to be brought up that's five of your team's. Cardinals considered. Seventy, six, almost seventy seven percent chance of making it at six of your teams. So, six teams right now in the National League considered a pretty high chance. After that. Forty five point five percent. New York mets surprise me a little bit definitely surprised me a little bit. They're sitting at four right now in the National League East. After that. Thirty five percent chance of Colorado rockies. They've been stumbling stumbling, stumbling stumbling, but there's still some belief they could make the playoffs. Thirty four point three percent chance. OPE sorry we all know. We missed here to fifty five percent chance Milwaukee brewers so that one's above as well. So that was seven teams above fifty percent but that brewers one is a little bit of schedule but a little bit of maybe believing a September on is coming off needs to get going otherwise it's not going to happen. The Cincinnati reds are also that thirty four point three percent chance. them the San Francisco giants at thirty, two point nine. So we're looking at currently. Twelve teams. Realistically. Twelve teams and also were thrown in the Miami Marlins and there even though are there little bit below the thirty percent threshold. Twelve teams. Still have a chance to all make the postseason. The nationals are necessarily out of it but there ten games back in with the diamondbacks. It's hard to imagine the nationals picking up a lot of games. When you have to play an desperate teams, braves are good. Phillies are good. And then the teams over in the AL as they're pretty solid. The analyst having claw some ground for the diamondbacks just it doesn't seem realistic and you feel a little bad for them because it's going to be hard. I don't know how this is GonNa. Break down. And There's so many teams. You WanNa believe in. I, WanNa believe the marlins going to beat it? But it's GonNa. Be a lot of movement shakeups and Just wrong up until game sixty in the national league very different from the American league the like we have a grasp on the teams that are going to make it. At least seven of the eight. The nationally is wide open and over the next week or so. We are GONNA. See maybe a little bit of a clearer picture, but there's some excitement in the sense that this thing could really go down to the wire. Really go down to the wire, and then if it gets to be that case, the tiebreakers. Are Going to be insane. There's not gonNA be enough like opponents or games against each other. How are we going to settle a lot of this stuff? What's GonNa be the reason one team makes it another not and? I don't root for this to happen. Let's say the cardinals can't make up sixty games a team that was kind of a little bit behind. Teams are at forty right now they're currently thirty one. If. They can't make this all up. What are we doing? What are we GONNA do to settle this all. It's definitely worth watching staying in National League. Games are the dodgers GONNA win thirty and. Eleven they were thirty and ten coming in. Lhasa tonight against the rockies. Won't If you would've told me a team was GONNA win forty five games this year at a thought you were nuts. Early. Projections. Had teams flirting flirting with potentially forty a little bit above. This touch team is just so stinking good and they might take their foot off the gas a little bit. Once things are clinched up if they clinched the number one seed and everything for healthwise, we might see that. But. They have the chance to make a push for forty five or higher win games. Nineteen Games left. I WANNA see someone get over that for mark. I really do in a six game stretch that's incredible and this wouldn't even be when the best sixty game stretch for the dodgers in their history they've had hotter in recent years. But I want to see how far can they go? Where are they going to get to? It's exciting I I'm I'm I'm not calling for us to completely ditch the hundred, sixty, two game season. I think that's a little insane. But I do think that a lot of these guys in Baseball higher-ups, owners. Are GonNa have to consider cutting. The. Games. down. At the end of the season I think they're going to have to consider the serious conversation because this sprints of the finish sixty games. Has brought some excitement. I definitely feel like I am more interested in everything going on because each game is that much more valuable. Each stint on the injury list is that much more. Of A drastic turn for a team. I wouldn't be shocked put together. Potential Hundred Games could could they did sixty two games? It's it's GonNa be a conversation I, think happening but I wanna see the dodgers pushed hard. Can they push hard? And get to that forty five potentially wins. Going to be something I want to watch. All right we gotta we gotTa talk about the American League a little bit too. We we just put a lot on the National League. Let's let's jump over to the American league because there is something over there that does excite me as well. And it in particular is the MVP race. Now. When we were talking about guys at the mid season point, we talked about brandon low. For Tampa Bay and it was a hard decision ran low. because. He's not a good player not because not deserving. It's just it feels like the American league MVP is a little wide open. And I think the voting for this is GONNA end up to be very interesting. Not because there's no deserving candidates like we said but because two of the top candidates. Might. Be something that usually doesn't win the award. Now we have a starting pitcher. In Shane Bieber. That is clearly clearly the most dominant pitcher in baseball this year, it's not close it's easily him. Since he has been so great. Are. We going to see more votes go his way. It's not fluky because again it can be done. We've seen pictures when MVP's in. Recent years. But I remember at the start of this I was hoping for. Can we get some crazy award seasons? It's a little crazy to get pitcher. Will potentially be even crazier. If the twins win. The American league central. And we have to start talking about Nelson Cruz getting MVP votes. Offensive. Production is valuable. What he's doing for the twins. Nelson Cruz needs some recognition. Just. The silver slugger doesn't feel enough. Three twenty nine batting average leads the team thirteen home runs leads his team twenty nine rb is leads as deem on base percentage four sixteen leads the team hits forty six. Leads. The team. Doing this a hall had forty years old. One Point Oh five, nine, opium. Seventeen walks forty one strikeouts. It is what it is. He's a slugger, but he still has a high batting average. We have had times in the past in particular, the name that comes to mind. David Ortiz having great seasons and the discussion of weather A. D. H. can win the MVP. They're not out on the field as much as other guys. The argument than for starting pitcher gets tough. Guy That does control out of the game when he's out there but only pitching playing one every five days. Winning this MVP, almost makes me think that indeed should be getting a little more recognition especially, if they're out there all the time, maybe they're only one part of the game. But now we're at a point where pitchers are just pitching and while it's obviously a bigger thing than taking at Bats Nelson Cruise's production is up there. And he will have to be considered. I'm okay with D.. H. Winning. I really am especially if you are that big of a piece for your offense for your team and that's what he is for the twins. He really is. Minnesota's won five games in a row. They're hot, twenty, five and sixteen. Half game back of owning the Al. Central. Will we see a D. H. finally win the MVP. This might be the season and it excites me because we've talked again beginning of the year. Let's see some flu penis. Let's see some crazy stuff. This year already is crazy. This is the ear will were allowed to get crazier. Go, for it, give it a chance. Try It. Why not? Vote for Nelson Cruz to win an MVP. All right. My next question what I'm watching. I'm curious about this season. How big? Are Injuries going to end up playing. To how this season goes? Inter part of the game every sport. It really is. Man Does. It feel like it's altering things more this season than ever pitching, of course. We have pictures go down leading Tommy, John Surgery, and all that stuff every year. But it feels like it's such a heavier heavier heavier load this year. Team like the New York, Yankees falling down as far as they can because of injuries. It. Makes me wonder for being robbed is such a great team. We have so many seasons were teams go on slumps. But when they can fall back on that one, hundred, sixty, two games they know that can come back around. But are we gonNA have what feels like a little bit of a different. Champion. Just because of how short things were. I hate to have the negative thoughts and think could be. The opposite way when when reality I it, it should be considered tougher. To win in such a more. Compacted season less. Days off. Less. Breaks more got gotta go. But the injuries are definitely weighing on me a little bit hugh can just see a with some players and we we can take this a step further to and talk about it with all these guys that we know are thought at least coming into the season that we're going to be Stud Stud players for their teams. I mean that list is pretty pretty long growing bellinger of the dodgers yellowish with the brewers L. Tubay. When it comes to the Astros, Kris Bryant hasn't been living up these these guys that were MVP's. Their numbers aren't what they want him to be. And not having the full season. To kind of average out. It just it puts a different field I I'm wondering how we're GONNA feel. About. The champion that we crown at the end of the year, the thing that's going to help us the most though and to put this discussion Abed push it away. Is GonNa be the fact that sixteen make the playoffs. Even these guys these teams that struggle that you were like. Oh They haven't looked like there used to or what they should. They're still going to have the fact that a lot of these teams will sneak in regardless. You talked about all these teams in the national. League when it comes the American League you'RE GONNA have Tampa Bay GonNa have New York most likely looking like the blue jays three teams they're white sox Indians twins three good teams are going to have their most likely Oakland Houston. Highly. Unlikely. Another team sneaks in I mean. Outside of those. Looking at playoff chances in the American league for other teams just it doesn't look good. National League. This feels like weaker teams are going to get in, but that's okay. We're GONNA see the better ones like Atlanta braves team. They've been battling injuries all over the place. Battling I'm all over the place. Are we gonNA feel like they got shorted? Because of this short season. is going to be. Definitely interesting to watch. and. The other thing that I'm curious about for sure. Is GonNa be this first round the playoffs How're we GONNA get seated. Some of these teams are going to get a very tough draw first round matchup. Now, this would have happened regardless if we didn't go to sixteen teams. Wildcard playoff game playing game along with the other division winners they were going to be tough series anyways. That's how it goes. But getting a tough series in a three game series or even potentially seeing a team with a couple of good pitchers in three game series could alter things in a massive massive way as much as you want to think offense is taking over in the MLB. We need to bring up the fact that. Well. A great pitcher can still win yet a lot of things when it comes to the postseason. How is that going to be altering some serious when they're very, very short? Coming to postseason time October time. It's IT'S GONNA. Be a fun discussion to have their I. I can't wait the one thing that I'm looking forward to his actually finally seeing. These playoff matchups who they are who you're seated up against trying to break them down. It's GonNa. Be a lot of fun. This season already has been a Lotta Front I. I've just kind of giddy talking about all this stuff putting it out there saying what's on my mind getting it out. Things that I'm looking for. It's exciting. It's exciting time to be watching the MLB even with how we got here the sadness of all Cova talk and everything going on there. It's it's brought us a fun baseball season so far. And continue continuing on. We hope we hope it keeps going. So that's going to be it for me here on the GMC baseball podcasts on the GMC podcast network I WanNa thank you again for listening. It means a great deal. 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This Week in Survivor: Season 38 Week 4 with Mary Kwiatkowski

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This Week in Survivor: Season 38 Week 4 with Mary Kwiatkowski

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Everybody this week insert fiver special. Thanks to will from America for the theme song to this week in survivor voted the most popular new rob has a podcast format of twenty nineteen. Thank you guys so much for that. Of course here with me to talk about everything going on this week in survivor, the creator of the this week in survivor history quiz, Mr. Jordan, Kayla's doing rob doing great, Jordan. How are you? I'm doing well. Even though I am I am a big Devon, STAN. And it's sad to see him out of the game. But he's not really devastated. I am devastated. He's but he's on the island of extinction. At least we get to see him. Maybe do a couple couple of news reports and hang out there with with reim-. He's reporting live from the field out on extinction island. Also, I'm very excited to have this guest back with us here on rob has a podcast. She's played this week in survivor history quiz before you hear her on the morning updates with Attaran Armstrong. And of course, she was our Aubrey expert coming into the season. Please welcome Mary quit Caskey Mary. How're you? Hey, robin. Jordan. I am so pumped to be on the first ever episode of Twitter. I'm here to talk about everything from the live feeds, let's break down the document room. All the show Mance who's eating slop who sleeping in the HR h room. What's the other show is this haunted? Let me get my survivor notes. Once I get wait. Wait. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Don Denton this week in survivor. The Rick in David alliance also known as the await sorry. We can't we can't bet on the air. The devotees alliance was broken up because the returning players weren't ready to enact the vote out the middleman alliance created by rob sue back in season six and perfected by Tony and Kaga Yang. Let's see if this season's Bodega Tony can continue to worm their way in with Kelly next week, or relegated rebound and save the day. The day America Cousy coming at you from the GOP news. Wow. Mary coming in hot Tyler Frederickson style. Well, those are the only notes I have. So I. Real fast, Mary what's worse. Name Twitter or twists. I so I feel bad. Because when I first heard the the will from America theme song when he said, let's talk about. Let's talk about tweets. I thought he said let's talk about twists, and I'm like, I don't I don't love twist though, boil to twig. Yeah, I think it should still be called fish. But that's just me. I'm old school. I don't like change. Well, it's now for another whatsoever history. We're talking about survivor present maybe we should do with a twist. Yeah. But but it's now he's a horrible part of this arrive your history, I think still works. Okay. Mary. How're you doing? I'm doing doing great. I was I was on vacation all week. So I I went to DisneyWorld now that yeah. Yeah. Was is great my my sister used to work there. So she wanted to take me to all her old haunts, and she seems to have immediately forgotten everything. So I can be great having asking her questions and didn't happen. That's okay. But we went to Harry Potter world too. So that was a little bit more. My my up my alley. Okay. You're up to speed. Do you know that I'm a hustle puff? I I have heard that. Yeah. I I am aware. We're that your health. I'm a I'm a raven call myself, but I won't let that get between us, Jordan. What how are you? I would say total Griffin door every every time I've taken online I've ended up Griffin door, and I think it fits. That's another reason. Able to do better math than I do to be a raven claw. Okay. It's not cool anymore to just say that you're Griffin door. I know I look I I know that's like the cancer because all the main characters Griffin doors, but I am a Griffin door. I know in my in my heart, and my soul that I I am not in the other house. Okay. All right. Let's get back to everything that's going on this week in survivor, of course, still to come in this hour. We'll get into everything going on on survivor social media. And of course, Jordan Kayla will be here with this week in survivor history quiz, but our top story at this hour, Mary we lost Rick Devon's who I understand that. You have a special connection with Rick Devon's idea. I do he he shares a name with my father. My father's name is Devon hausky. Yes. We we both went to Virginia Tech. So he sees from Blacksburg, and I lived there for years. So it's really it's really sad to see my fellow hokey diva's way. But it's you know, we had the same alma mater along with Jonny fairplay, and and cowboy and Adam Jen treats. Cowboy from survivor not cowboy of big brother fame cowboy from survivor Cook Islands. No. Bad wind. Yeah. So okay, Rick Devon's is out this week. Which was very surprising to me. I thought he was going to be around for awhile. And who knows maybe he will come back into the game. Was this big blindside for you as a viewer Mary. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm a per diem STAN on YouTube, and I know that he thought Rick was going far as well. And I get I take all my information from other people, and that's how I make my decision. So yeah, I was I was really up on Rick and definitely not the way I thought this was going to go just just reading the edit. But I guess I guess better him than I don't wanna make all the Kelly stand said, so. It's going to. Mary have you given any thought to how any of your hometown local news reporters would fare on survivor where what part of the country? Do you live in? I live in Richmond Virginia. So now, right. Are there any other Richmond Virginia area newscasters that you think would do well on survivor, or do you think that maybe newscasters are not cut out for survivor? I mean, I think that you know, it's not exactly what you what you normally go to when you think of people who are who are great at living outdoors and really strong challenges. But but I'm a I'm a software developer. So I don't think that necessarily bodes well, either, Jordan. Ideally, do you want somebody who's out in the field as opposed to somebody who's back behind the desk? You don't want Ernie Anastas out there. Yeah. I think being in the field might prepare you better for survivor because then you're talking to people from all walks of life. You're interviewing people. Yeah. You're not just talking to other news reporters. So I think that could prepare you better. Survive. Also, he didn't blown over by the hurricane. Yeah. Very ever see Tammy Leitner on TV. Semi lane. She's like she's on NBC that you see on NBC or MSNBC like buying Williams. Like, all right. Let's go to Tammy Leitner here. And she's like, oh, yeah. I'm here at the site of she's it she's out there. I think a storm chasers. Really the way to go. Sir. Yeah. That's what you want on survivor. Yeah. I've have we had anybody in the meteorologisy goal art since how we Gordon. Probably that was not part of the research. I did pretty much just hurting people. Hurricane. How I think that he would also not do on survivors. Maybe maybe that it goes against my previous assumption. Not. So maybe we talked to you in the preseason about how Aubrey was going to fair, and you know, full disclosure I felt like well aubrey's probably done soon on the season. So Audrey correspondent back in here to talk about it. We're Aubrey went wrong. But these last two weeks that aubrey's have new life. Yeah. I just wanted to get very clear fall of those of you listening. Rob emailed me saying also, I don't think Aubrey has much time left. So we need to think about her again. Well, everybody thinks I know the spoilers then slit let the listen this was after she found an idol like you're so down on. Well, it seems like when they're coming for you. They're coming for you. You can use your idol. But usually that's not enough to get you out of the jam. Yeah. I dunno. I thought this tribe. Swap could have been could have been great for every if she had if she had managed to get like a three two or something something a little bit more mixed up. But she lands on the one tribe with the you know, the sole previous monitor person. So I think she actually landed a pretty good spot here, Mary we haven't talked about this a lot this week in terms of the dynamics of this tribe. Swap, but this is actually kind of similar to the situation that Aubrey was in after the second swap or the first or second swap in game changers for the first swat when when she ended up being with all people from her previous his mono- tribe and JT and similarly to I think what probably Aubrey initially wanted to do with Wendy before everything happened. She wanted to she wanted to work with JT. She wanted to flip over there and try to make that align. Ditch all the people from her previous try very similarly that in game changers. All the people from mono-. They were all people that like had wanted to vote her out in previous versions of Amman where I think that Aubrey probably looked at that tribes Papas. Okay. This is going to be my salvation and she ended up with Sandra. And with Varner who are people who were coming after her. Right. And then who else was there? It was Michaela, Malcolm. And then JT and Aubrey. Yeah. So I think the main difference here is that she wanted to get away from those people because there were a lot of big characters coming after her and it from from her her press, I read her interview with a Josh wake ler is seems like this week. It's been a lot more or this season. It's been a lot more about like not wanting to be with people who were so calm because she was having a hard time reading them. So I think having throwing Wendy into the mix and having that break up the calm, it probably helps break up the comments. So how do you think that she's going to approach this moving forward? Do you think that she's going to stick with going after big, Wendy, or do you think that she's going to try to rein Wendy in as part of a planning and, sir? Former tribe. I think I mean from from the next time on survivor, it looks like potentially Hernan, Victoria, pull windy in and try to try to turn the tables on Gavin, and Eric which I think I don't know. I do they usually show us stuff in that. It goes that way. Probably not I think they're probably just gonna win again. So I don't think it's necessarily going to matter. I think she'll probably I think she's in a good spot because either she can pull windy and or though but windy out. I don't see it turning on her next time. I think she's I think she's smart enough that if if that was the case she would probably play the idol. But I don't know I still have high hopes from her I feel a bond now having to do all that research on. It's funny that you say that about the we'll probably just win, and we won't have to worry about until the merge because I feel that way about all three of the tribes. Yeah. I guess I guess it sort of depends on Jeff Probst reminded us. The game does demand that people get voted out? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I I don't know. I guess it depends on whether or not Laura is is continuing to be kind of weak. But she she didn't seem that that in the challenge itself. So I don't know how much that matters. Yes. She seems to bounce back. We had a little bit of the sob story that she's not eating. Well, what's her problems that she can't eat the rice either? Yeah. Seems to be getting sick from the rice was now is there anything on survivor that you had a hard time eating? No. I think I did a pretty good with everything that was handed me on survivor in terms of the food. I played in the all some people recall, and there were like a lot picky eaters on my tribe there where like both Robin amber were very particular about, you know. The rice and became a thing in survivor, redemption island, where rob only eats the rice if it's like burnt and stuck to the bottom of the pan. He won't eat it any other way sue hawk wouldn't eat the coconut because it was going to I figured if it was going to bind her up or give her diarrhea. I forget exactly what the problem was there. But you know, I'm I'm starving. I'll eat whatever. Now, sue hawk go and eat like these like disgusting like eyeball shellfish that we're like stuck to Iraq's. And like, oh, yeah. I'm gonna get more of these eyeballs and eight those two I guess I'm kind of in your vote. I've never been so hungry that I but but unable to eat things. I don't generally have a problem eating things. It's usually the other way around the things that the problem eating you. Yeah. Danger his world, you know, my I have a huge fear of that movie cloudy with a chance of meatballs any food. That's like abnormally large. It's freaks me out not into it. Oh my God. This is a terrifying. Yeah. Really? It's really scary. I mean, I don't know. That's like supposed to be a kid's movie, but it's actually legitimately terrifying. When the, you know chicken, the chicken comes to life in that movie chicken comes to life eating people that happened not a children's movie, and then survivor is the chickens are taking their ideas from that. Okay. Let's talk about another animal in the survivor kingdom, and that is a the war dog. And that we have a lot of people who wanted us to away in on something that the war dog talked about this week. Let me bring in a voice mail that what we did not get to on the feedback show, admittedly that this is a question involving math. And I thought that maybe that Brett was not going to be my go-to guy to get into the probabilities of something happening. So let me bring in this question from. One of our listeners, Margaret, hi Robyn Brett, this is Margaret from Seattle. Can we get a fact check on war dogs claim that that swap configuration had less than one percent chance of happening? Not very good at math. So please check this out for me. Thanks. So my thinking was I should wait to this podcast. Because I thought that I'd have a better chance to ask a math expert about this Jordan is they're better or worse than a one percent chance of this tribe. Swap happening. Well, as dog was saying you do fourteen divided by four thirteen divided by three twelve and then you end up with. Yes. Less than one percent. I did I did all the computation before we recorded actually took these really long trivia questions because I was spending too much time on this this probability. Okay. So all right. Mary. Do you have any thoughts on this? Well, I wrote down the quote, I was hoping one of you to. So this was war dog had to say about the possibilities of this happening. Here's the quote from the episode. Positive percent because you just take a constant multiply four to fourteen three thirteen to twelve hundred eleven four times. Yeah. Percent less than one percent. To you multiply three hundred fourteen fourteen to twelve hundred one and then did in my Matha had. Okay. So the great Randy new poll. Got me the answer to this. So he went ahead. And this was his answer. The likelihood we need to discuss is getting the three men and two women from mono all pulling the same if they place that then everything else falls in place. One hundred percent since there's three men and only one of the postwar tribes gets three men less. Sue, we need to focus on them all landing there and Randy calculates it as. Point one zero two percent. So I picked on dog math adds up. Yeah. I I don't know who I'm more impressed with we're dog for being able to do all that in his head or David Wright. Just coming in with the correct answer of. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm not gonna question met at all. He nailed it. Mary how are you feeling about the war dog this season because he's been a polarizing figure where I have a different guests on the show, and some of the guests talking about just recently, Carl Stephen fish back both seem to come away with the consensus of war dog running things Brett Lebel, Jonny fairplay of the opinion, not so much where you come down on war dog. Yeah. I mean, I think we're dog is playing a gate a great game to go to the end with Kelly, and or get voted on a great vote for Kelly on the jury, and that's where we're coming out. I mean, what a great character. But but it's not he's not he's definitely not running anything being in the in. The swing vote position is not the same. As running the decision behind. The vote is not like he went to Kelly and Lawrence. I'd like we're told them that it was going to be Rick instead of David or something or or came up to them and said, no, we're we're definitely going to do David and flip it e just chose one of the two sides. So. I don't think that's the same as running things. But you know, I noticed it. What's most impressive about him? Is is how he's managing to just completely make everyone forget that. He's that he's bald. Anyway, by he covers up his his own tiring. Oh, you think that's intentional? You think that the confessional? He wants to channel. Tony. So he takes all the stuff office head. But then when he's talking everyone else he's hiding he's got his buff completely over his head. He's got a hoodie, and then a hat on top of that just, you know, triple triple protection here. That's extremely SRI Mckee war dog is a master of the skies. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't want people in person thinking that. He's like Tony. Let me ask you a little bit about the new comma tribe where we saw Ron Clark have another fun interaction with Joe, of course, last week. We saw where Joe with sanding behind Ron, Victoria. And then this week. We got the revealed at Ron had told Julia to go through Joe's bag. Did you like seeing that Mary? Yeah. I love the editing on it. I love the flashback. I liked seeing it. I like the fact that Joe cbs' completely unaware that this is happening around him. The only thing I have to nitpick here. Ron just walks up to Julia afterward, an inch said, hey, g get it. Didn't find anything in Joe's bag. You think that run is talking too loud? He has no volume control. I it's just like to poor just whisper Ben town, you know, you don't need to cash kidding Prissy, Hof BAC like. Yeah. Probably a thumbs up or thumbs down probably would've worked. Yeah. Probably. Hey overall. I think this is some some great, you know, the the confessional about it. I think adds a little bit too. We've seen people go through people's bags in the past. But but getting someone else to do it while you're pulling them away that takes more thought. And that's definitely definitely going to be added to the Ron Clark rulebook. Kudos to the survivor editors for, you know, taking a scene where nothing happened, but ending up with like turning into a really fun moment on the show. Yeah. Well, how do you feel about the whole Joe being given kind of the dodo edit this season? Also, I don't know if it's full doto. But I think that for Joe he's actually doing a pretty good job of not quite being the same guy who is so omnipresent. I mean, if you compare this to his edit from Cambodia, the edit was I mean, he was full on Joey amazing that this is like more like mere mortal Joe here in this season. Yeah. But I wonder if there's just some people we've had in the past who've who've come back multiple times and like on their last time, they get a really subdued at it. You know, I mean Aubrey even had that a little before. And like like Erik Reichenbach had that where I don't know if that's I don't know if that's a positive thing. More the fan base. Like, maybe they'll maybe Joe will get farther. Because of this. But he's not he's not being as big of a character. I agree that I feel like watching this through four episodes. And you know, it's dangerous game to make a lot of big takeaways as a four episodes. This does not feel like that survivor edge of extinction. Is this Joe story? Yeah. Yeah. Which like like you saying though is probably good to decrease his threat level. But you're third time out. Do you need to decrease your threat level in hopes of another game? I don't I don't know could be as best game. But it doesn't feel like that. He has the winner trajectory, Jordan. Yeah. I I think when first of all I also love the editing here, I'm a big fan of the genius. And the fact that survivors trying things do and going the route of showing us a flashback is amazing. But as far as Joe's story, I don't think it really is a great home for him. I think all based on the at I think all three of the other returning players actually would have a better shot. But I do think he's in. He's in such a safe. It's like he's making the merge. There's no chance of Joe England's not making the merge in this game. I don't even think he's going to end up going to tribal council before the merge, but as far as winning. I think we would have needed to see more from him at this point. Well, now, you know that you know, this is happening because you picked him to go far right of me. Yeah. You blaming me. Yeah. Well, look if that's what happens then people only get on me when stuff that they don't want to have happen where coming into the season. And it was oh Joe's juice gonna win. Well, guess what? I picked him to be the winner. And now if he doesn't win, and if you were happy with that, then I expect a few pats on the back around here. You just did it for the jinx. No, it's not like doing it for the gif. Yes. Yes. There's a lot of that going on survivor these days Mary. So I just wanted to say one of the thing with Joe. And there was a really funny interaction with Aurora that I thought, and I didn't see anybody else talking about this proposed thing. But this is Joe in talking about how he feels really good about this new group. This is Joe he'd slip bonding with Aurora and he's like touching her face. The one big difference that I'm doing in this game. Versus my past season is I'm really trying to build more strong solid relationships. I mean, it's obvious right? He's he's giving her face story. This story. The noise that she thinks Matt. I really funny face during this also I actually watched the episode for the first second time. I didn't notice it the first time. But it's hilarious. Just a phase that she makes while she's making that noise. Yeah. She's doing the sort of like hand under the chin white thing. That's kind of like cat like somebody. That was how those into it. She a baby. Now, Anthony on big brother the baby. I love it. Okay. Hey, everybody else that you're really enjoying this season. Mary. I I mean, I I like I like everyone I think ream like like everyone else has been saying is pretty much the highlight of the season. You know? They voted you out. So I think hot take that Remiz is afraid of lizards. Kind of enjoyed that the pull that clip, but you like get that thing away from me. Oh god. I will hear some lame reams. Two favorite words, are dude and lame. Yeah. It's great. He man we should've should've known to do that count. How many times I was gonna happen tiebreaker on twitch today? Jordan, I can't give you the tiebreaker in advance. But that is possible that as the tiebreaker. Okay. All right. So Mary, how would you like to hear about what's going on in the world of survivor social media? I would love to give it to me tweets. Davey tweets or tweets, they're better than swap where the whole tribe just repeats tweets. Jess thank you to Jacob Seger Weinstein for that got a lot of stuff going on way. If the survivors social media, I guess we should start with the continuing saga of the chickens mayor. We haven't touched on big, Wendy or the chickens. Do you have any thoughts on everything that's happening with these chickens? Yeah. I mean, I think that Wendy is just continuing with the hey might as well, do whatever I can. And I'm on the out. So let's just go bigger. Go home, go, big, windy or go home. And I love this. I love this look personally, if just like I got nothing to lose anymore this tribe. Swap didn't seem stop her from continuing with that path. So I I'm a big big windy fan. So she is continuing on the crusade on the show. And we've seen a lot of reactions from the survivors on social media. I do think Jordan that among these survivor alumni, I think this move is polling at less than one percent. Well, yeah. I mean, you have these people who've been in this situation before where where they're living on the island. And if they have a source of food they're going to want to eat it as far as watching the show, though. It's very entertaining. The thing is though Josh Wigley pulled pulled the clip from his preseason interview with Wendy and her plan was to release the chickens, but the other part of the plan was to not make it obvious who actually release the chickens, and it was just going to cause chaos, which I really don't think is a terrible strategy. But it was so obvious that she was so opposed to eating the chickens like there's no way that it wasn't her. So I think she forgot the part of the strategy that would actually make it not a terrible game. Right. When the new tribe came Mary, and they were going to potentially eat one of the chickens. This was a Wendy's reason why maybe we shouldn't eat a chicken. A lot of energy a chicken. Yeah. They're they're going to start from ground yet. They didn't yet. But they are about to. So Wendy's a safety says she knows that the chickens are gonna happy. Hey, so watch out Victoria is gonna eat hurt. So as the big threat of the episode. The be careful don't do that. Okay. So this survivors responded about this. Current Kaplan Crin sanity said I would ethin- kill the chickens in the most savage way, possibly in forcibly hold Wendy's islets open to watch this f this wackadoo. I am not surprised that that was the currents or action. Hey, that's how you that's just traumatizing. No one's going to see that. You just head Carl the godfather on the podcast. What if she went? If Karenin, Wendy, we're playing survivor, and she went full godfather and put like the head in in Wendy's bed and she woke up and did the whole scream that's intense. That's how they shouldn't do that. Sorry shouldn't be doing this. Then also Russell hands says this is an indictment on survivor. He says survivor gives them so much food these days, they let the food walkaway. That's how much food they are getting. So do you think it's because they're getting too much food? Mary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like like we heard at the very beginning of the episode. Kelly tells Wendy you've gained you gain so much weight, right? That was how that conversation went. So so I just think, you know, they need the need more of a survivor diet and Whitney's just trying to help everyone out, you know, get their beach bodies. Then we had one of the survivors from this season away in Victoria bay Monday had a tweet and she posted a picture of a chicken bones. And also, I must clear this up chickens are not a native species to Fiji because they were released production will recapture them after the season and give them to locals who will kill them. I was vegetarian for two years. But let's not be eighty attic. We were absolutely starving. I'm kind of surprised that no one on the episode at least just sat Wendy downs at Wendy where we're hungry. That's that's why it's not like we're trying to be cruel to the chickens here. You're taking away food. I mean, if Wendy had dumped out the rice, or whatever, I don't really see why this is any different those chickens look terrified to when when they were out in the trying to hide under a Bush when Wendy release them. They had a little house like they had a little house in their cage. Yes, they're going to turn into food the next day if they stay there. But you really you really like traumatizing these chickens. This Wendy need to take you to step. Further was releasing the chickens only phase one married this. She needed to then escort the chickens to safety. Like it wasn't enough to like, she did the jailbreak. But now she's got to get them someplace where they're not going to gain safety is she going to take them to their own extinction island. I look here's here's my conspiracy theory. I think production gets the chickens almost immediately. And then they walk around and go about like twenty feet away from where people are. Confessionals and then release them run on the confessionals. I think that's what's going on here. That's very possible. So let me see I've got some more from this season. Gabin wit's end tweeted this week on another episode of survivor quest is I'm asked at work. Did you see any Jaguars or lions out there and Gavin replied, no, we were in Fiji, not Jumanji? Careful Savar Jumanji would be amazing. I mean, that's what they have planned for season Forty-five so excited. Okay. War dog more dog. I end at I am the war dog. Not just wore dog on Twitter. Mary just don't get it. Twisted. Not just we're done matches the war thing. I am the war dog. Warthogs owner to receive second fishy of the season. I don't even know who to think so I will start by thanking are terrible immunity challenge performances. I guess you could start by thanking Stephen pushback, I mean. Seems pretty obvious who you're supposed to think in this. It's called the fishy hair. I think that this was a funny quote, though, after a week where there was so much drama of oh who is the war dog blocking on Twitter? Oh war dog blocked me. More dog blocked me. Here was wore dog during the episode. I'm always thinking what was going through options never coz indoors. And that's what I'm doing. He never close his doors. Mary. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just just blocks people on Twitter, but Lincoln, that's where he's opened. So if you wanna wanna be real make those connections got a network on Lincoln. Dot com. Okay. Chrissie halfback at the real Chrissy h said all I know is I hope they eat the damn chickens before Wednesday's double episode because if we have to keep skipping fun player confessionals for more chicken time, I might give up on the season. Boy, I didn't know it was such an air b choice of will you see a fun confessionals or be chickens. I think it's fun confessionals about the chicken. Or like, I said you just have fun confessionals with the chickens running by in the background. Both words world's best of both worlds. People love to talk about the confessionals. And let me say something I have the hottest take ever. Okay. Who's ready for this who's ready for this hottest take ever ready? I don't think I guess I have no choice. I would rather. Have zero confessionals? Then one or two confessionals. Why is a player? Yeah. I would rather zero confessionals and get stand as everybody saying, why doesn't rob have more confessionals. What's wrong with you people with Chelsea? And all these different people who are seen as the no confessional people. And then you have like the Gavin's in Eric's in the auroras, and the Julie's all the people that are suffering on like two or three confessional. Nobody's cares about them. But isn't isn't it a pity standing do you really want the pity? Stan is it pity? Stan. I don't think it's a pity. Stan. I don't think that's pretty standard. Would you rather win the game or have zero confessionals, but be stand? Or would you are you are you? Okay with your current standing that. You have right now. I'm telling you, you go you go out there, you give them nothing in those interviews. And then people will be like just like Ashley Nolan who wants about time. Also didn't have a lot of confessionals in Ashley Nolan. She went to ponder OSA searching for her thing zero confessionals can be thing. You can make it work for you. But who's standing Ashley Nolan a lot of Ashley? Okay. I think I think I'd go for all the vessels. I think it's just it's just one of those things we need to see happen. If someone can win the game Niro confessionals, then I'll agree with you. I that's fine. Rob survivor Amazon. You probably got more confessionals than anyone. I would. I would assume recently it was like. I would rather have zero confessionals than a lot of confessionals. I would rather have zero confessionals and had everybody making a big fuss then have to confessionals, and nobody cares about me. So you'd rather have zero confessionals than be like, I don't who who is someone on your on your season who had like a medium amount. I don't know because we didn't we didn't count them. Then. Janicot didn't call me. Confessionals? Yes, I guess somebody was counting them. But the people did not know like the back of their baseball card professional kind of thing that somebody with a lot of confessionals say. Confessional thing. The all stars. Had more than zero. I I wish I had Ciro. I wish I had zero. And then people get a bit like, we're all the rob funny confessionals. I am you you guys. What are you thinking? Whereab- Rob's confessionals. Okay. John Johnny six confessionals in survivor, the Amazon. Yeah. I think the worst thing that can happen to Julia. This week is one confessional. Asmat good. Yeah. Say the kind of thing where you go for like the clean sweep Niro confessionals through Jordan. How many people people would know who Anthony young was if you want a game here and there, I don't know. Okay. All right at the T. Freddie says so tired of Reno having the wrong opinion about everyone who lands on edge of extinction girl for thirty seven thirty eight seasons. Your ass would be eating terrible fa- gene pizza for thirty six days by now surrounding in air conditioning in boos, thank your lucky stars. You're still on it. Tyler did you know? Okay. You don't even know your hair, your anything, bro. Redesign? It's not fun. This the Holiday Inn. And year, lame your lame near lame Brel bell is right about you. All right. I love very much. You know, I think anyone planning. Just update on Anthony young. Right. You retire that when I was sick. So I I would I know who been a young. So you big sports fan. I hope exports fan, but I don't know random metro levers reliever if he's he's not random, he's he's the baseball record holder cashed. Are you even a sports fan to even like sports, even even know? I sport. I'm a professional baseball coach. I don't coach professional baseball team. But I do get paid to coach. Okay. Oh, he lost twenty seven consecutive games. That was like you on. The twist was less. Ooh. All right. Tyler also said everything on edge. Do we like the referring to edge of extinction? As edge is that like is like the new ghost. Every pilots is everything on edges super closer wide. I love that. The producers thought about this and made intentional choices to differentiate it from everything else. It's artful and well done. Yeah. I can play extinction isn't this? What we've always wanted was like prese pre jury Ponderosa is basically what we're getting here is more more information about the great mess messy. Here's yes, I think it's been fun. So far, I like it as pre jury Ponderosa. The problem is I think probably going to be more. So when it replaces. Post merge Ponderosa. Yeah. Well, we can always hope that they'll they'll cut it off at the marriage. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. I will say I I was sort of pooh-poohing it last week. But I think it was just the scene that we had last week wasn't all that interesting because it was really just going upstairs to get rice. I think this episode was a little bit more entertaining. And even though we got more edgy extinction. I was more in favor of it this week than I was last week because there was a little bit of drama between between Chris reamin, Keith. And then finally when he got the fish. I guess it was a character building scene. And I'm looking forward to seeing Devon's sorry, Jordan. Are you saying that last week's edge of extinction? Clip was lame. Yes. It was you will. Jordan. Wha-? What is with you? Do it's lame. Lame bro. Watch out remote remote drop, me dot kick. You I will drop kick you. Okay. This is a hot one. Here we go. Neal Gottlieb comes out of nowhere to say. It's Dayton on survivors. So once again, the chickens made it farther than Caleb Reynolds survivor. See that's what you do. It. Just come out of nowhere with the big burn deal. True. Yeah. Good god. That's God leaves music Kimmy cap and Berg with the from the sideline OMG Kayla. Reynolds comes back with who is at Neil godly. Well, he is someone who got farther than Kayla Reynolds survive. Neil responded. I asked that same question often. And then Caleb said what made you think of me to make a Jap? What day did you go home from your boo? Boo. Now, hold on a second. You can't you can't you can't pretend to not know him and know that but I also get on Neal Gottlieb for a medical evacuation. Yeah. Like he didn't make it further without getting injured. Yeah. And what started this whole piece of all the survivors? Like the could have picked for for that tweet. Why why Kayla Reynolds, I don't I think that maybe if I'm going to project here or be armchair? So I don't know if I'm projecting I'm being married. Well, what is it that? I'm about to do. I don't know where you go. Speculate. I think it's because I think that maybe Neal Gottlieb might think that he should have been on the survivor game changers for the second chance and not the beast mode cowboy he stole the medevac spot after if you were going to take a medical evacuation from survivor Koran maybe meal Gottlieb, say, hey, what's so great about beast mode? Cowboy. They they can't though because they have to save Neal for that season where he's coming back against Courtney moon and be. All metal survivor aubrey's allies, all of his first allies comeback. Yes. Okay. Now, I have something. That's extremely exciting. And something that me and the team over at twists believe is the greatest moment in the history of survivor social media. And. The greatest in survivor social. Okay. We take you back to Wednesday night. Really? Though, we take you back to a Wednesday night March thirteenth. At five forty two PM Pacific time Rupert bone ham. Using the Rupert's kids Twitter account tweeted out the following what parent names their kid war dog. And at Jimmy Clifton three on Twitter says Rupert I think he has a case of the up dog. What do you think? Oh, no. Referred set. What's up dog? This is Ben grace moment in survivor history. Thank you at Jimmy Clifton. I was going to reach out to Jimmy Clifton to have him on the podcast. That's worth it. I think that one moment is celebrate to sell to celebrate. If he's available if you'd be at war dog have been the biggest random Twitter people to contribute to this podcast. Maybe we could have a survivor season with at Jimmy Clifton three. I don't think that's ever going to get topped. I think that's mazing. Yup. If the war dog talking a little bit about the know it alls, I I am the war dog said war. War against c- fish back. Both wondering why Arabs sister, Nino is still not impressed. Does he not like the way I'm using his Amazon inspired strategy in two thousand eighteen wait. I'm sorry. The Amazon inspired strategy would be to get rid of war dog. It would have been to vote out ward off. So I appreciate I'm happy to see survivor Amazon inspired strategy from the war dog, but Kenny cap and Berg said it's not two thousand and three modern tactics. Hey kimmy. I was way ahead of the game. Okay. That's like a double slam. She's like knocked me and more dogs heads together. Route rob why have you been hating on the on the war? Doc not. I'm not. No, even seemed a lot more impressed by moving. You Stephen does seem super impressed with the word. But I as I said to Stephen like seething last week, you said that this was a terrible move to get rid of Chris. So I don't know why I think it's sometimes Stephen works backwards from the fishy of well. I gotta give somebody. So all right. Then this person is everything they did was great. He did write a whole article about how the war Doug paid a bad move in a Chris vote revisionist history. Mary you don't see the word dog thanking you for his fishy. So. Yeah. I thought a as far as the swab goes I mean, we're couldn't have ended up in a in a better spot. At least in the short term to be the swing vote with those those groups of two, and I think, you know, going into the going into that swamp. I I was like I actually thought that Devon's or David might be screwed. Because why if you have if you've stayed with with this whole time why go against her on this phone? I it just it's just another opportunity to get her as an ally going forward in the. Yeah. And I do appreciate the war dog said that being able to subtly play the middle and for see the battlefield depending on who goes home was one of Rod's grade contributions to the strategy of the games. Thank you for that war dog and Kimmy Cabourg even said, we love at Rochester near you went home way too early in all stars. That's right. And he got too many confessionals. Okay. So this just from from thing where they were the braiding you and then they're thinking you pick a lane. I like people on social media to have one one opinion consistent voice. Okay. All right. And then I think we'll wrap up our social media segment with Dr Mike Dr Mike is. Following the season. He said at the real Chrissy, h not posting the statistical probability of the swamp. It's like me not offering at Jay Rosenberg to twelve with her incontinence at zero is here for you. Okay. Now, Dr Mike is referring to Julie's quote from this week's episode aware. She said this. Can't drop here. Bob's I barely turn to Joe my pants right now. Okay. Now, this is coming on the heels of but the re a weeks ago what she said this. To help out around camp as much as I can buy I live in New York City. I had no now door survivors skills whatsoever. I have a splinter. But it hurts. I think low so that I can come to that I feed in the bushes of central park once and that was that was an emergency. I look her her one survivor experience is now helping she's she's running into the same things. I guess in true Ashley Nolan fashion. She has found her number one thing. That's that. That'll be her thing. And I'm excited for three one day talked to her about that as well. I peed in central park. It. It's a thing. I want to know that. Joking. Joking joking by. I was joking wink, wink, yes. Julia Rosenberg responded and said saying I'm going to pee in my pants. Does not mean I actually peed in my pants. You'll have to keep watching to see if it becomes a castaway. I, but I'll be sure to inquire about your professional services. Should I need them as long as I get a hashtag survivor discount. And Dr Mike said, maybe if you win the wand off. I guess we've established that that is how you get a discount. It's a urology. Yeah. I'm never getting a discount then. Mary let me give you would you rather have no confessionals or have mostly P confessionals. Well, where did we rank the peeing versus throwing up versus pooping in terms of how well you're going to do in the game, which which bodily fluid. If I wasn't thing that from if they show you because I think that that's actually a good thing. If we. That was. Kony right. It was on the heels of Tony and cow Simone, right? Yeah. But throwing up is. Okay. I I don't know Lauren threw up in this episode, and she was fine. Yeah. He'd because. I mean, I know I know that Amanda Kimmel one time had to run out of a challenge because she was going to your pants that count. Let's see if Jeff Pittman has some stats on this. And then we'll get back to this conversation. Knock knock. Okay. All right. Then we're going to get into our this week in survivor history quiz, but first let me think sponsor for the soda the podcast our friends over at a I s the auto insurance specialist survivor fans know that specialist is exactly who you want to talk to you. When you need. The best information your car insurance rates. They just keep creeping up year after year and your insurance company is banking on the fact that maybe you're not gonna notice anything there being real sneaky like a real Ron Clark, but you can use the. Smart, quote technology from a I s to shop the rates of dozens of insurance companies in just a few seconds. You'll get a quote that can save you some money in your car insurance. That's a lot of savings in as little as five minutes the insurance rates, they keep going up. But the big insurance companies are hoping that you don't notice so take back control and get to AS insurance dot com slash rob. Let ASU's their smart technology to save the money on car insurance. Don't make your next insurance payment until you. Check your rates with AIDS. So go to AS insurance dot com slash rob. It's the easiest thing you'll do today. Believe me is more valuable to you than the lifeline that Mary is about to get in this week in survivor history. Call one eight hundred seven seven seven four a SAS insurance dot com. Okay. Are we ready Jordan to take us away to another week of? Tweet. Yes. Yes. We are. We are ready. I have everything here in front of me. All my questions Mary is coming off a win last season and actually marry you could make some history here because since beckons eat did not beat rob last week. There is only one two time winner in the history of twists, and that is Leon Boris. So you could Tyler Liana as a winningest contestant besides besides her. I think what the winning is guest contestant intuition story. I'm you know, high pressure here. But I'm like go for it. Stakes are high. Okay. All right, Jordan, anything we need to set up. The I did get some feedback that you forgot to give Meghan Z the opportunity to use a lifeline last week. Yes. We did not. We did not announce the Alexa, Google or whatever lifeline. But it's really not a lifeline. I mean, it's it's fun. I like it. It's funny. But there's really no way it's effort gonna give anyone the right answer. So I don't feel. It's not like are you taking it away. I'm not taking it away. We'll we'll use it. I use it. Can I use it? Then I don't know Mary. What do you think should be able to use the lifeline? I happy to give it trial. I don't have any of voice activated things. So I was going to consult my medium. But if rob wants to take it doesn't it's a it's a terrible. It's not an advantage. It's just it's just fun, medium dot com. Yeah. Yeah. That one. Yeah. It's it's the medallion of power of of advantages. Okay. All right. Let's hear about the categories. They may need to refresh your on the rules. I mean, I doubt the two of you do, but I will I will break them down quickly. There's multiple choice questions each of you get to answer two of them. If you get it, correct. Without the multiple choice options you get two points. If you go for two and you're wrong your opponent gets his chance to steal one point. If you hear the multiple choice options, you get one point for a correct answer zero points for an incorrect answer, and you can't steal. If you hear the multiple choice. So okay. Then we'll go to the death match. I think those quick enough. Right. Was I good. That was good. That was good. Okay. So here are the categories for the questions today. We have damn we have you got Wendy. We have Dr fa- Kochta and do my not dumb ass. I had some fun with the categories as well. This is the third category was octa for it's. Okay. Yeah. Okay. The first word is Dr. Who you call in Kochta document. You'll see who I'm talking about. So Mary, you're the guests you get to choose your your category. I all right. Well, I missed the last category. Also, what was the last one the last one I may have been laughing laughing to my own doctor active, but it is it's Dumont. Not dumb ass. Okay. I'm going to just go with damn then. Okay. Damn. We're going to go do survivor worlds apart March eighteenth two thousand fifteen four years ago, Monday, the Naga rotate tribe one the chicken reward whose birthday did they celebrate by eating one of their new chickens stem, hashtag sorry, Wendy. Okay. Inaugu rotate tribe. Right. Who was on that tribe? I know it gets very out one of the chickens. Jen didn't eat chicken. Haley is on that tribe. Right. Per day. I don't think it was. I'm going to go with. With. Will. So you say, well, you're not going to use the multiple choice. And you're not going to ask you said, you don't have a device, but you're correct. Will it was Will's birthday one of one of two birthdays season? So Mary, probably the less famous birthday from survivor worlds apart. You get two points where you could start and rob you get to choose the next category. Okay. I wanted to just want to add something there. I think that if in the history of people not eating chickens on survivor. I think Jen Brown did use this opportunity for much much more positive thing in her game. Where her tribe is eating the chicken she actually walked away, and she found the hidden immunity idol. So that's probably a way that may be one. He could've gone instead of stopping her for meeting the more valuable than money though. Well, it depends how well you do in the game. If if you win or if it gets you a lot farther than it's more valuable than fourteen thousand dollars. All right, Jordan. Can you reset the categories one more time? Yeah. We have you got Wendy. We have Dr fa- Kochta, and it's Huma not dumb ass. Oh, let me go with Dr fa- Kochta, Dr fecta we're going to survivor co wrong. The episode is player. Go home from March twenty third twenty sixteen three years ago, Saturday who acted as a human lie detector in order to figure out that Peter wasn't telling the truth in the episode in which the ER doctor was sent packing. Who acted as a human lie detector? I would I think I'm pretty sure of who this is what I would hate to allow this. You know, what go bigger, go home? I I believe it's Debbie Debbie Wegner is incorrect. So mary. You you have the chance to steal point here. Sorry, restate the say the question one more time sure who acted as a human lie detector in order to figure out that Peter wasn't telling the truth and the episode in which the ER doctor was sent packing. Well, I'm pretty sure he wasn't even on that tribe. So. I could be wrong. But but I have a lot of a lot of time studying co-run. So every cheese. I I don't know who this is going to be though. Maybe. Maybe. Julia. I don't know. I have no idea. Julia is incorrect. So if you remember there was a former FBI agent on that tribe. Jodel Campo Jodo capitals. Even lied to us sessional experience to interrogate Peter and figure out that he was funny vote against him. You know, it screwed me up. I think I had the sound clip here somewhere here Debbie in my head like. Like making a noise like that. And so I'm like, okay. That was Debbie making the human lie, detector noise. That's like a human human truck like that backing backing up. It's like the door the doors Costanza. Yeah. Maybe that was in game changers. This. This is what it was. This is what it was. That was a BS detector was a known itself, not quite the same as the lie detector. So the soundboard screwed me up on that one wrong episode yet. But w honor the reason I put her as one of the fake answers. You could totally see her saying, oh, yeah. I have experienced in law enforcement, and I'm I'm basically as good as a lie detector. But. Rob you're were down to zero Mary's on her way to potentially tying Liana Boris here. With with two wins intuition story, Mary you get to choose the next category. All right. I'm gonna go with you got Wendy. You got Wendy. Right. We're going back to survive a worlds apart Joe England's original season sometimes during a survivor tribe. Swap everyone from an original tribe ends up together with the exception of one person, which original blue-collar got Wendy at the worlds apart tribe. Swab aka swapped away from the rest of their tribe. Okay. I think I think I know this one. Because I know that Dan and Mike were together. So I think it's I think it's Kellie, Kellie Remington is correct. And Mary you are a perfect four points here yet Kelly Remington, ands up on the the other tribe from all the other blue-collar is Mike Roddy Sierra, Dan all end up together. This is after they voted out Lindsey, and there's actually a point where we're Mike is able to throw a challenge to to keep Kelly in the game. So you have a commanding four zero lead. Rob we have one more question left, and we're going to it's Dumas not dumb ass. We're going to survivor Fiji, Leah survivor, Fiji one. I've got strength now. To carry the flag is the name of the episode from March twenty first two thousand seven twelve years ago Thursday, I'm gonna read you a quote to start this question. Life is a storm young friend one day, you're battered in the sunlight and shattered on the rocks the next, but it's what you do. When that storm comes that makes you a man so shout do your worst for I shall do mind in the fates will know you as a man who on the Ravi tribe or sites this quote from Alexandra Duma's the counter bungee Christo right after the tribe swat. This is the new Robin tribe. Oh, okay. If I had to tell you the people that were on the Bravo tribe. I couldn't tell you one tribe from the other in survivor Fiji. So let me hear the multiple choices. Okay. Said, hey, Anthony be at Gardo. See Alexander Rita de Mookie -ly. You like that? It's either in Gardo or Alex thing to do. And I will say this feels like an Alex to me. An Alex thing is correct. And rob you get the point there just four to one that actually keeps you in the game. Because the most you could you could score in the final round just three points. So it is four to one going into our death match. This is called survivor potpourri truth be told I had a tough time coming up with a theme today's match they can't all be winners like last week's swaps. Crude and the legendary bait Blake in this game. I'll ask you a question. Keep this in. He keep in Jordan cracking himself up reading his notes. This is not getting cut. Okay. I'm glad you get some of the hilarity rub. Sub? So you go, okay. It's the thought of bape lake bringing it back. No now. Now, it's also the fact that I keep referencing it. I'm probably every single podcast. And now, you're adding Debbie's BB noise. But I'm composed now. I'm I'm good. Okay. Not in this game. I will. Okay. I can't read this right now, basically. Are you have to forfeit? Wrap up the show that I guess now I'm gonna read you questions. There's three answers there's three potential multiple choice to each question. You will have to get the one. That is correct. So it's really just multiple choice. There's only three options there's no chance of going to we're going to start rob you're losing. So you get to pick a number from one through six in order to decide the order one. Okay. So we are going to go to survivor Palau who lied to Bobby John that he or she didn't vote for him at the previous tribal council in which Angie was voted out. Was it Ebrahim James Miller or Steph Groza? Who lied to Bobby John that they that? They didn't vote for Angie that they didn't vote for him. So this personality didn't vote for him. The three choices. Yes. Ebrahim James Miller or Steph aggressive. So there were two votes for for John on that trial. Ten. I dunno Ebrahim doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would tell why. Stephanie grosser or James Miller. I feel like that. James would cast a vote for John. I'll say that it was Steph. It was stuff. So you get a point there is for staff. Yes. Rob. You you needed to get that one right before to to lead the only way for you to get back into this. As if Mary gets the next one wrong that would allow you to tie up the game going into the tie-breaker. So kind of Mary who was not chosen by either tribe at the Fiji tribe. Swab and therefore sent to exile island. Was it Cassandra Lee, Sheila Narus or Stacy Kimball? I think it was the Oji ream Lisi the OGSM ream Lisa who I think also did like to say, dude. And she probably said lame a lot. You're you're correct, Mary and you in the quiz by a score of RAV four five two and robs winning streak has three game winning streak this season. I think it actually extends back to last season as well is over I lost of the season. And the crowd goes wild. Okay. All right. Well, Mary we're very sorry. That your alum from Virginia Tech. I thought about this week, but you are the winner of this week in survivor history quiz. I'm so happy. You know? I mean to be fair, I would not have gotten either of your two questions. Right. But it's all about the luck of. What do you? What are you gonna do Mary where else can people find you? You can find me everywhere at frail, Mary if you if you want it just make it easy. You can just you just find the everywhere with that. And you can check out. My Riverdale podcasts. I do with Kirsten McInnis if you want on Caskey cast cow with a K you want to check out some other fun things or doing their you podcast anything else. Besides riverdale. I guess what? Riveta Riverdale podcast about the show revenge. Probably some other stuff in the future that I'm working on. But but for now, it's primarily Riverdale just because there's a lot of big brother candidate going on. Is it all in one feed or you have different podcast feeds, it's all it's all in one feet. It's separated on the website. But I think on itunes and stuff it's all just the Caskey cast feed. Okay. Mary. Mary had a good feeling about who's going to win this season. I, you know, I think I'm going to just go ahead because I was going to was was really rooting for Rick. But then I'm just going to go ahead and stick with my my preseason Aubrey pick and just keep my fingers crossed for that very who's the most recent survivor. You followed on Twitter most recent survivor 'cause you you've been on before you already. I didn't know this thing. I I have no idea. It might be it might be Gabby. But I'm not I'm not sure it's cap and Berg who is. Yeah. She was really out of the cannon on Twitter this week. Yeah. Well, I think I think Kimmy had liked my one of my tweets about about the whole chicken Sihamoni situation. When I didn't I didn't realize everyone was doing at the time. Yeah. We were all we all made the same joke. You on that one? Yeah. I was the only one to make that machete joke. So at least I got the machete joke. I posted a gif of you sharpening talking about the Shetty being sharpened back in like one of the first episodes. Good good good job on that one to keep that out there to find those not they're not easy to find those gifts, you'd think knows here. No, you wouldn't think. Oh, you wouldn't think stuff? And also, I see that. You are a bachelor fan Mary. Is that correct? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They got more of a reluctant bachelor fan. But I think it's kind of same thing. I would say this week in survivor history. Colton was was medevac and some people would actually accuse him of quitting. Namely, Jeff Probst. Even though I think it's pretty clear that he didn't quit the first season. Colton different Colton quit. The bachelor this week. Spoiler alert. That's spoiled so far in advance. I don't think it counts for what a week at this point. Just a almost almost that. We do get all of our bachelor spoilers from our resident bachelor. Spoiler expert bachelor. Steve chicken Morris. Oh, also, I when I was Steve. Reality makes more sense. Oh, I was going through the stuff that happened this week in survivor. Rob Dino, there is a similarity between your two seasons. Also and survivor this week. Yes, they're both even numbers like this season. Yeah. That's exactly how no you both in in both seasons. They did the same challenge. Oh. The running on the log challenge in both seasons of in survivor, Amazon and of all sorts during this exact week. Did both of the same challenging. I mean, you were not there for both. I was barely there for one. It's not my strong suit. But you mentioned Gabby Piskorski as somebody that you followed recently. She will be my guest on the double episode coming up on Wednesday on the recap. And then Nick yet danza will be my guess on the feedback show. And then we will talk with the great Amman add win next week on this week in survivor. Yes. Someone else who marry recently started following on Twitter. According to this list. A great follow who's that on? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, awesome. And this is like I follow everybody. Good job, Eric. Okay. Mary any any other thoughts survivor or otherwise? Now. Now just enjoying this season. And hope it keeps going the same. And glad to glad to share that reigning title with Liana. Okay. All right. Jordan anything else that you want to add no, no bad voicemails this week. I did get one that I got to do the parental notification. Because I don't think I'm I'm going to be able to to believe this. But it's been a long time since we got a wrong number on the voicemail, but this one is so bizarre that I did wanna play it somewhere on the podcast. So this was this week earlier in the week. And I thought that this was a voicemail for Brett Lebel. But I have no idea what this person is talking about. So I figured why not play it here here is from the rob has a podcast of voicemail inbox. This is just not the punch drunk stuck in. Number anymore. Fuckers? Oh my gosh. Dog. When you when you call her on number you just come out. Cook is this just not the construct stuck in. Number anymore. Fuckers? What is the punch drunk effing number is that? It's the number you call when you're drunk, and you wanna get punched Venezia's you curse him out. And then hopefully, they they come. Find you punch you this is the week where you have Carl and Brett Lebel on the podcast, maybe thought it was the drunk podcast. And he got confused. I you really have to sit through like a a long setup there to leave that message of the when you call in. If it's a long message, I should make it much shorter. But some guys stood there for a long time just is to say this book. Punchdrunk in. Number anymore. Fuckers? Little little bit of a conspiracy theory. I mean, the fact that he did have to sit through the whole the whole the whole voicemail thing in your explanation. Maybe he he was he's a twist listener. And he was like, look they're playing bad voicemails at the end of twist now, I'm going to get my voicemail, and maybe maybe that was it. Okay. And I think you nailed it. All right, Mary. Thank you so much for joining us, Jordan, great job as always whip the quiz. I'll be back with Robert Akiva, Anita podcast excited. Four that. We will have our stand tournament coming up there over the weekend, and then we'll be back with wiggle room. With just sitting in for Josh wig ler coming up on Monday and get into this week's Awan Dopp and much more care. Have a good one. I.

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Operation Glowing Symphony

Malicious Life

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Operation Glowing Symphony

"Hi and welcome to malicious life in cooperation with salaries. I'm landlady for three of our mini series on the tow truck. Messaging APP will be ready in the next few days. And in the meantime I'd like to play for you an episode from talknet diaries. We've played some dot net. Diaries episodes here in the past. So you might be familiar with it for those who are not document. Diaries is a fantastic service. Acuity podcast created by Jack reciter. And I can't recommend it enough. The you'll hear shortly is called a Parisian glowing symphony and it's the story of how the US Cyber Command attacked. Is this as told by the commander of that mission. Kudos to Jack for bringing us and extremely rare peak at the inner workings of the US Cyber Command darkness. Diaries homepage is darkness. Diaries DOT com. And if my voice sounds a bit different today than he usually is. That's because I'm under quarantine and recording these words in my attic corona patient board. Trina was on and now got two whole weeks to spend in my foot of solitude. Good thing I still need to finish that. Which are three game? I started a year back. Stay safe and healthy people. Enjoy the MOZELL. That sounds like a good place to start the story. Mozell is an ancient city in Iraq. Like we're talking. People have lived there in the area of Mosel since like two thousand B C. It's right next to the Tigris river and it's grown to a population of cheese over a million and a half people it's Iraq's second largest city on June tenth two thousand fourteen. A new chapter in Muslim history was written a group of armed fighters basically an army just rated the place. Isis infiltrated Moselle. They shot it up. Set stuff on fire and they were targeting all Iraqi police and military and security in just a few days. They took over the whole city of Mozell. The whole city of a million people people began fleeing the city in huge droves hundreds of thousands of people left or or kill. Mozell was now under control of Isis the Islamic state in extremist group. A group that the US believes is made up of violent jihadist terrorists that same month isis declared a caliphate and Mozell Isis which stands for the Islamic state in Iraq and Syria says now it will simply be known as the Islamic state and declared all areas. It's overtaken Syria and Iraq to be a caliphate or Islamic state a significant move as far as I understand declaring caliphate means that they are establishing that the city of Mozell is the Islamic state. Like it's sort of their own nation. It's a place to go live and practice their beliefs. Anyone who's affiliated with Isis can come live there an isis had their own police patrolling the city their own soldiers defending in their own leadership and everything. This was a huge victory for the terrorists to take over the second largest city in Iraq and kill thousands of their enemies. This is what put Isis on the map. This is why the era common household name here in the US because since they took over mozell their number sword and their attacks rained on the world. These are true stories from the dark side of the Internet. And I'm Jack reciter. This is darkness. Diaries once took over Mozell and declared caliphate their popularity boomed tens of thousands of people around world. Were learning what Isis was and they were joining the 'cause we started to see tax in many other cities around the world. An Isis was taking responsibility for it. We were starting to see attacks in Belgium Australia Canada and when I say tax I mean people were being killed by this group today. The militant group ISIS posted a series of graphic photos on twitter claiming a massacre of more than seventeen hundred Iraqi soldiers. Tonight the urgent manhunt right now after the city of Brussels wrapped with multiple explosions at the airport and then in the subway at least thirty one killed more than two hundred injured. Two people are dead tonight in Ottawa Canadian soldier and a suspect after a shooting on Parliament Hill Canada's equivalent of Capitol Hill of violent morning that culminated in a shootout inside the ornate building. Lawmakers were caucusing. That sounds so scary. And that's not the streets of Iraq. That's isis shooting up the parliament building in the capital of Canada. The Iraqi military simply have the ability to take back their own city and with isis growing in numbers. All over the world. Something had to be done so in October. Two thousand fourteen the US military initiated Executive Order Operation Inherent Resolve Okay so what is the navy's role inherent resolve which is the name of the Isis M- Anti Isis Coalition Movement. We provide sorties meaning missions off of aircraft carrier the George George Herbert Walker Bush. Sullivan is just Information Intelligence surveillance reconnaissance others or strikes and it depends on what the central commander desires it can be jamming of of some of Isis is co networks and what they're doing It can be again intelligence gathering we are standing by with Tomahawk missiles tens and tens of them which in fact we used on that first night when we started this operation. Jeez Tomahawk missiles. This is serious business and yes. That navy ship was launching these missiles right into Mozell raining down one attack after another taking out isis infrastructure. Some key leaders. Their troops but tens of thousands of people formed Isis. So wasn't easy to stop them with airstrikes alone. Isis continued to take over towns in Iraq and Syria and claimed responsibility for more terrorist attacks around the world and one of these attacks occurred in November of two thousand fifteen and Paris France. Nine Twenty PM. The first indication of the horror being unleashed that night a suicide bomber. Exploding his best outside Francis National Soccer Stadium. There was a second detonation. Another suicide bomb. Both attackers it seems being stopped before they could get in a third attack would blow himself up outside a nearby. Mcdonald's around nine twenty five gunmen with Kalashnikovs type assault weapons targeted diners. In a string of restaurants. Fifteen people were killed. The gunman raced away in a black car. Next the cafe bomb beer was hit five. People were killed at nine thirty six at La Belle. Achey sheer terror. The same Black Car. The crowded terrace sprayed with gunfire witnesses. Say it went on and on. Nineteen people died here. Nine others were critically injured. The epicenter of the attack though would be the Batta Clung a concert venue. The Band Eagles of death metal played gunman rush the hall and opened fire. Those who escaped the survivors called it. A massacre a mass execution eighty nine people were killed and other attacks springing up all over the world to operation inherent resolve needed. More help to battle these terrorists. Here's a clip. From one of the captains on the carrier that was stationed in the Arabian Gulf. Which was launching missiles at Isis? Airstrikes can only do so much and we're very very effective and we're there to support but I think in the end it's going to be a ground fight. They needed more help to stop these terrorists. So some phone calls were made. Hello Jack. Hey how's it going good to hear from you? Thanks so much. Sorry in this one. I can't say our guest's name you'll understand leader but for now. Let's just call him. The commander is kind of a fan boy. Moment for myself to be honest okay. You're going to wonder how I got the Senate view because as you'll hear this is extremely rare interview and I'll explain how I got all that at the end of this episode but I do want you to understand more about who he is. Okay so in two thousand sixteen. I was the mission commander for a combat mission team at US. Cyber Yeah. Us is believed to be the offensive team within the NSA or actually it came out of the NFC. But now it's its own thing. So yeah you got that right to do. We're going to hear a hacking story from someone inside the US. Cyber Command which is a very secret hacking organization within the US government. Which makes this an extremely rare interview. So are you ready for this okay? So let's back up. The commander here wasn't always commander t started out as a regular recruit in the marines but quickly he knew he wanted more so I actually started. I was a force RECON marine. I five years so so I was in. I jumped out a plane. They did the Halo Heyhoe scuba dive all that stuff. Well disguise a beast. I mean my understanding is at Marines training to be a killer. It's very aggressive branch of the military but force. Recon amplifies that immensely. They're the highest trained troops in the Marines and in two thousand twelve. He was deployed to Afghanistan in the sing in Providence. Tough place and WHO's trying to neutralize the Taliban over there doing Hilo raids and other operations and after a few years of that he came back and spent a total of five years as an active force. Recon marine you get older things. Get harder physically so the way to stay in the fight is to cyber the marines. Give you a little wiggle room on where you can choose. Do you WanNa go so he decided to join the Marine Forces Cyber Command but with the switch they knew they needed to give him some training they did they sent me to school for larger cybersecurity. Stuff just basic security plus network plus C H and then they do. They did put us through some more technical training for computer network exploitation camps and cyber attack and defend and eventually you attend the Mission Commander Course for my role was as an officer so at this point. He's an officer from our for cyber. That's short for Marine forces cybercrime. Okay now let me read to you. A paraphrase version of the mission statement for this group Mar for cyber the mission statement is quote to Conduct Full Spectrum Cyberspace Operations Including Conducting Offensive Cyberspace Operations and quo. Listen the Conduct Offensive Cyberspace Operations. I once heard the US government has never admitted to conducting any cyberspace attacks. But look at this. It's right here in the mission statement of Marfo cyber and when I think of the mindset that the marines have and how they're so competitive and Gung Ho and battle hungry I just can't imagine what kind of hackers would come out of this. Everybody says overshoot cyber bullets today. We're going out on patrol. It's funny but it's true and then you know I mean we always try to keep that kind of mindset especially in the Marines. Were Marines are known to be more aggressive in? That was not different in cyber. Our team was the first to do a lot of things. It's your Computer Geek. Or your or your above like your buff guy right like which one is it or is it both yeah. There's a lot of dudes in cyber to be honest but It's it's pretty funny. I mean we. We still do all of that. Same kind of stuff. I know people have some traditions. When you're the first your first. Cyber Mission on the OPS floor. Don't make you wear a flak jacket or a helmet to look goofy when you're sitting in front of the computer because it's your first op. So that's traditions still comes into play in some of the top floors today so there is still that You know military mindset of messing with people and and things like that. I mean it's it's pretty funny. I find it I find it fun. This is how he transformed from being a trained killer to capable hacker and he's on a new mission now to battle the enemy from behind the screen. There were all in uniform. It's sitting in front of computer screens for screams just like the movies. Everybody's in uniform working out things. If you're at you know very sensitive locations and sites you'll be out of uniform and things like that but at Fort Meade you're in uniform all-time the fall of twenty fourteen. I was finishing up all my training and they had just started a team between NSA and Cyber Com. That was focused solely on isis media. Yes back to ISIS SO ISIS. Or sometimes it's called is still produces a ton of media content. I mean they have to magazines that are published in ten different languages and these magazines are excellent quality to very well done high-quality pictures from the front lines expertly designed they also have a ton of social media accounts that post news stories and even act as recruitment tools for new members and they also have people producing high quality videos filming horrific things than editing them cleaning them up to maximize the impact. Viewer to run all this. They must have a whole network to share content between the teams to store the videos and pictures and then a bunch of skilled people to run everything. So is this. Media was everything that involved the production of their magazines videos that everyone saw come out the logos. The attack claims all of the social media accounts that they had the websites everything that was associated with. That was what was under the umbrella of Isis Media and they had a lot of people. I mean we talking. We'RE TALKING CAMERAMEN. We're talking editors we're talking You know linguists for translating things into every language across the world so they could disseminate their message. We had you have your own. It shops and you know finance guys. I mean it was a large scale operation and you could see the adding like all the videos that came out. They were Hollywood quality videos that were hitting CNN and ABC on a daily basis on most. And that was. That was all isis media so since the. Us government was already using intelligence operations to keep tabs on Isis. They felt that Isis media was big enough to create a team to just focus on this alone. So Isis media had been on the scene for about a year before that and then in two thousand fourteen in the fall it was finally becoming so big and it was its own entity in warranted. Its own dedicated analysis project. Production targeting effort and that's where they pulled a few marines together after civilians and started a a pretty crack knit team and then I took over the team at the end of the year in twenty fourteen. Oh Wow this very interesting right from force recon marine tomorrow for Cyber and now to the NSA and cyber command to gather as much information as he can on isis media. So I says media became his primary focus all day every day him and his team were. They're doing everything they could understand. Who's behind this? We were trying to map out the network so everything behind everything that made isis media tick was what we were supposed to uncover and define so people places things everything minded the analogy. I give people is like if you look at CNN or you look at a regional news office. They have senior editors they have people that do translations they have a web guy that sets up the website they have a guy that configures domain names guided their. It staff that keeps the shared fought the shared drives running keeps the email accounts up there chat services up so that they can conduct their daily business and you have your field journalists and cameramen and all of those all of that stuff. The goal was to simply gather data basically spy on them and collect as much data as they could from describe and they did this for a long time. Twenty fourteen all the way through to summer of two thousand sixteen was analysis development building out the network understanding how they operated. What they did that was I mean. It was over respect a year and a half just understanding the target space and building out a high fidelity network just to give you an idea of where we are in a time line. This is still before Isis invaded. Mozell and declared a caliphate and here already the NSA Cyber Command or tracking them heavily now. Can you imagine how much data they collected in this time? I mean we're talking the NSA and Cyber Command here and dedicating a whole team to investigate this for two solid years by that time and with those resources. I'm sure they must have had everyone's name who is behind Isis media and where it was edited. Who's running the social media accounts what software they're running and I bet. That goes so much deeper. He didn't say but I bet they hacked into all these people to they had access to their phones laptops and facilities everything together as much data as it could probably even their spouses and relatives and bosses and friends to either they were infecting all these systems and bring their way deep into the Isis Media. Network and then establishing persistence maintain their foothold in there. Because if you think about this this is all going on in the same building that the NSA headquarters in Fort Meade Maryland. That big black box of a building that. I'm sure you've seen pictures of so. If they needed more help they could just walk down the hall and get another group of people who are specialized in something to help them out. I mean I'm just guessing here but here's an attack. I think they probably did. I imagine if they hacked into the phone of one of these isis media people and then on that phone they stole the private decryption keys for that phone. This would be the key used to decrypt messages to that phone. Then imagine they hacked into the Wi fi network. That phone was on and somehow captured all the traffic to that phone now. Somewhere in that traffic. Are the private chat messages to that phone and with these private keys. I'm guessing it's technically possible to decrypt those messages. This would be a pretty complex hack but I bet it's something that cyber command could do. I mean we had a long target list and it was. It was a large. You think of like a large grass just pictures servers. Domains accounts all connected with lines and it was all we had a pretty good understanding of all right. I can just picture it now. A big map. On the wall linking everything together with photos of everyone and it probably looks like a map that the FBI will create when building a case on someone red strings connecting everything together. Feel like there's very few people that know as much about Isis. Media's me and a couple of guys on the team in. Twenty fifteen if you remember in the summer and early fall. That's when Isis attacks started to really pick up and they started to have those horrific videos and beheadings and kidnappings of Westerners and the leadership. Congress and Secretary Carter at the time. We're getting set up with all of this going on and having it be all over the news so people were getting a little angry in leadership and they wanted something done about it and we weren't really doing any ops to counter it at that at that time so because they had extensive knowledge of Isis media. They started to think could we? Would it be possible for us to actually disrupt them instead of just spy on them so they started to devise some plans to actually take down some of Isis media? They were developing tactical cyber attacks to take out a website or take control of it or delete an entire server the up with a plan to take out just part of a network in one country as sort of a test to see how effective this would be made it so that we had some confidence in what we do in our abilities and then you know General Hawk came back and was like you know. What do we do now like how? How much bigger can we go? What's the next step? And then we said we can go. Global. Let's go global instead of no one country or two countries scoble. What's to do everything after the break? We'll hear how this mission went. Global stigmatise the commander felt like he had the skills and expertise to take up more of Isis media. But the leadership wasn't sure if this was the right course of action. They needed something else. And icing on the cake was November You know you had the Paris attacks and which were the horrible attacks and that kind of was the final Straw to wear before early December and before Christmas Secretary Carter said I want options. We have to do something big now. Up until November two thousand fifteen. It was all sit. Listen and enable other kinetic operations for the guys on the ground help inform them to do certain things and there wasn't a mindset or an appetite at the time for Hey let's do a strictly cyber operation to try and stop this media or try to diminish their impact of an attack in the publicity side of things we were ready at a tactical level. I felt like but there wasn't that appetite at higher levels to say. Oh we can. We can do something. That's purely cyber and have an impact on this terrorist apparatus over there. He was looking over his big map of Isis media. Looking over all the connections drawing a connection from this system to that system to that network and this person making all these connections and he was looking at the map and all of a sudden it started to make sense. Things became crystal clear. There were few key. Nodes that if you were to Disrupt or take out these key nodes the whole thing might come crashing down. This was a big discovery for the commander double checked his work and looked over it again and yet this was making sense. This was the way to take out. Isis media attack these nodes and it all unravels. That's when I had my like. Aha moment like my pappy. Sylvia moment we've been staring at this data for a long time all these lists and information and then in February it kind of struck me that it was all connected and it was very centralized so I I remember running downstairs to my boss's office in the basement at NASA and starting to draw on the board circles with names and numbers and drawing the lines together and then saying sir. It's all connected. It's all here. We take this out. It all goes away or these five things that will all fall apart. It's a house of cards. This was a big moment. The leadership agreed that perhaps using hacking takeout is this media would be ineffective approach with the strategy. A new task force had to be created to handle this first. They decided to start creating joint task force aires or JT F- Aries for short now. J. T. F. Areas was formed to carry out a specific mission. Jj Fear is just Cyprus specialists that focus in offensive cyber operations against Isis. Whoa wicked a group of military trained hackers all coming together to make joint task force areas specifically to target Isis and isis media. Well this task force was getting spun up. The captains had to decide on what the mission would be. No in my opinion. This is where a major shift in operations took place you see we know that the military in the NFC collects data and they listen for signals and decipher the messages. And sometimes they break into a computer to get that data but still that's all it is. It's gathering data from the adversary. But here. Here's where a big change takes place up until this point this team was doing was listening and watching and collecting yet the hacked into the enemy to listen and collect. But that's all they were instructed and legally allowed to do but now leadership is granting them the ability to disrupt degrade and destroy the target using cyberattacks. This is a big difference. It's kind of like the difference between someone on the roof with a pair of binoculars versus someone on the roof with a long barreled rifle and a scope with orders to kill you. See The difference. They were never allowed to weaponize. There has to destroy before but now now. They're getting permission to do this. So I think this is about to get little Perry but first things first they need to come up with a name for this cyber operation so that is a funny story. And I'm glad that I gotTa tell you that the way that military operations are named is that every unit in a specific EO in a specific area gets assigned to letters so the in those two letters have to be the the first part of the word that starts their operation so G. L. was assigned to Marine Operations from Cyber Command. And so we had to pick a the first word to make the operation so G. L. So we sat down a bunch of captains and try to come up with the most bad ass words that started with G. L. so we were like gladiator gladys global. And then you than the second word in the name of an operation is just whatever you want it to be so you can do like. I mean gladiator something or global. Something they would all be global XYZ GLOBAL ABC. And so we were coming up with all these cool names or things that we thought were cool and then it came down from higher that they were like the word is glowing like seriously glowing. That's so not cool. Let's pick something that's more bad assets more like more hard core but That was what higher told us and then the symphony part came from in marine basic training. When you're calling for fires when you have artillery and air support and mortars and machine guns all shooting at the enemy they say that it's a it's a symphony of destruction because it's you know boom boom boom boom boom like in a movie. When they play the soundtrack all stuff's blowing up so it's a symphony of destruction. And we just say we're trying to have a symphony of destruction against the enemy here and take all of Isis service domains emails. Whatever at the same time it's GONNA BE GREAT. And then one captain who was the quirkiest. One of the group is like well. That's the name gloaming symphony. We were like that's so lame and it can't be that and he wrote it down and then sent the email so then it became glowing symphony and there was no turning back. Okay I know I know there was a lot to talk about but it was only like ten people know that. Yeah I love it. So in May of two thousand sixteen task order one. Six Dash Zero zero six three was signed by President Barack Obama. An Operation Glowing symphony was a go or og. S. For short and GTS ARIES was tasked to execute operation going symphony with the first mission to take out isis media. I wasn't jt. Tiff areas and I was the mission commander for that specific team. This is why I call him the commander because he's the mission commander for all this. I was on a mission. Commander is a cyber com term and a mission commander is the one who oversees a specific cyber opera mission for that for that day. So it'd be the same as if a unit goes out on patrol and walks around enemy territory and comes back. The leader of that patrol is a cyber mission commander. And that's what I was. Okay here we go time to get ready to fire some cyber bullets. The commander just spent the last two years learning everything about isis media and is more than ready to carry out this mission. I E needed some troops. He was able to look around in the NSA and cyber command and different military branches to the right candidates. Yeah we've definitely handpicked all handpicked them. So we assembled I think it was four or five separate teams. Think of each team like a squad of soldiers infiltrating the enemy territory doing patrol and objective and each squad has to be independent on their own being able make decisions and look for the objective and execute on it so they had to start assembling these teams four people thirteen so we had an intel analyst and operator a analyst and then we had the kind of team leader so first. Let's look at. What an operator does you had a guy who's an operator and he's very skilled at setting up the infrastructure uh getting to a target and getting from target and then also he's trained on the tools and approved on the tools to use on target interesting. Not everyone on. The team was approved a hit that delete button or the enter key. Only the operator was allowed to actually execute on objective. But not only that. This would be an expert on computers knowing what exploits to us to get into things and how to move around network once you get in. This is probably one of their best trained hackers on the team The person that would sit next to him is like the big bad signals analyst Who understands the tools and the infrastructure but also understands the intricacies of the target so like directory structures domain names admins and things like that Hell underhill. No the larger target network and had to be able to provide a to that guy on the keyboard so fascinating this is kind of like a navigator of some kind somebody who knows the lay of the land so well and it's like okay. Here's where the next objective is. And here's where you have to go next and here's where this thing will be and if you go down this way then you're gonna find this next thing like crazy that there's just some person sitting there who knows all this stuff ready to help. And then we have another Intel analyst who is to the other side and that Intel analysts under understands the typical targeting charts so the face the phone number the friends the terrorist group the cells. That the you know the homes that address all of that stuff. He understands that larger picture. It can help them when they're on target of of navigating through things. This is another reunion valuable person to have on the other side of you. This is someone who's memorized faces and names and friends names and locations. Because as you're working your way through this strange foreign network you're gonNA come across words that just don't make any sense. Things like server names and network names and domain names email addresses and website. Names stuff that when you got in there and side. You wouldn't understand what that was unless you had this person sitting right next to you explaining to you what you're looking at because they've spent the last six months memorizing of this stuff and then the mission commander is the one making sure that it always going to on correctly and that they're going to accomplish the mission that they're tasked to do that. Everybody's kind of following the rules and not You know stepping in places. We shouldn't go or going places that are not legally allowed to go to in cyberspace and and that's that's the team functions. So they started assembling. These teams and one team wasn't good enough. They wanted like four five or six of these teams so I started asking around at NSA US cyber command or other military branches to see if anyone fits these criteria to recruit them so we reached out to the other units asked for these types of calls and the people that we knew that were there and then you know they coughed up. Those people in the task orders to come over amazing. We've got quite the crack team of highly skilled hackers. Now I mean this is what dozens of military trained hackers troops soldiers all with the resources of the US military behind them. I mean if they needed to the can use some pretty cutting edge hacking tools for this or they can get help from some much smarter people if they need to linguists interpreters codebreakers developers or access to aerial photos. But as they're getting the team together that was tension in the air as in any operation. We had all the accesses that we needed and we were ready to go forward and But we couldn't go forward because we were still deacon floating inner agencies and having very high up approvals. Come down before we can do it. There was a lot of talk from higher ups. They were debating on whether or not this job might be better suited for the FBI or CIA or an essay or other military branches. They weren't sure if this is something that cyber command should be doing since it hasn't done something like this in the past. So we were sitting there as hackers with all this access and it could go away at any moment at any point in time right they catch on to what you're doing and then it's gone and they lock it down so we were nervous everyday. That went by that it would go away believe as in. I saw I saw a media. Would catch on what you mean. Yeah that they would catch onto. We have varying levels of access throughout their network and from the people places and things and if they caught onto one part of it we might not be able to get back and that would have made the operation less effective. Maybe not even worth doing at all so everyday that went by we were like nervous that it was gonna go away. Not only was time taking on all this but there was also a lot of approvals that they had to go through. I mean after all it's the government and the government moves very slowly. We had to do mission brief up the chain to each of the higher officers before we went to go. Do it to make sure that you know. They had confidence in our plan. saying that you know we're GONNA GO OUT THE DOOR. We're going to make a right we're GONNA go for five miles or GonNa make a left. Turn right on this street so we had to tell them everything we were. GonNa do in after we presented the senior operator myself. You know they'd always turn to us in the hand on her shoulder and say. Are you sure we can do this right there? Are you sir we can do this? you know yes sir on the green light. Let's go let's go but nobody wanted us to fail because there was so much publicity within the community on it. Okay now get this. This isn't something the commander told me about but there was someone else also joining the fight. Greetings citizens of the world governments and corporations and facebook. We are anonymous. As most of you know by now we started a cyber war on Isis. And just a reminder Isis we will hunt you. Take down your sites accounts emails and expose you from now on no safe place for you. Online you will be treated like a virus and we are the cure remember. We are anonymous. We Are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget expect us. Yes so as Isis attacks started happening all over the world anonymous joined in on the fights you and they were doing things like reporting thousands of Isis twitter accounts to twitter and saying hey ban these people on twitter would and they would report facebook users. That were ISIS members and instagram. All this stuff and because the thing is one thing that anonymous is pretty good at is finding out who you are and dachshund you. So they're able to root out who these isis people are online and report them and they were getting accounts taken down like crazy some reports. Say that up to like ten. Thousand accounts were taken down because of the activism. That anonymous was doing in this fight as well and at the same time. Anonymous was actually taking down some of Isis Websites. To and while this is cool and all it kind of threw a monkey wrench in some of the intelligence communities. I mean how can you collect data on Isis? If Isis is down and win win a website that you're tracking for years goes down. Why is it down? Who knocked down. What's going on here? And so you know commander didn't say but I'm bet that he was watching this kind of stuff happening and trying to figure out who's taking this stuff down and I've heard stories from other people intelligence. Who actually got frustrated with this and went into some of the hacker chatrooms and said. Who's the one taken down these websites and then having like chats with these hackers to kind of not so much coordinate things but like just back off on this for a little bit while while will take care of it? We we know we've got this in our sites and we're GONNA do something real soon. Just kinda like cool it and so while all these anonymous operations were going on approvals. Were starting to come through for Operation Going symphony and things were starting to shape up so you could take the approach of. Let's you know slowly degrade and disrupted and take it down over time but you risk losing your access. You risk not being able to continue the slow degrading because they hard every they're gonNA learn every time. Something bad happens in hard in their network and the people places and everything that they have so well we saw with going seventy was an opportunity to give a massive blow to their operation to take down everything that we could as fast as we could in one go and then see what's left in pick apart the little pieces that were left the remnants that remain and we. That's what that's what the plan was to do was go in and just decimate as much as we could in the shortest amount of time possible and then maintain engagement with the enemy through until they were no longer. That was the goal whole man. This is getting so good and you might wonder why I'm so excited about this. Because many of you think the NSA in the US cyber command are the bad guys. They're setting up ways to constantly spy on innocent civilians and the horde zero days and don't tell the vendors that there's blogs in the code or that they're trying to make encryption weaker or make back doors and things so they can defeat it all. This does sound bad and scary and I certainly don't like it when the NSA overreaches on what they're legally allowed to do so if any one of the NSA is doing this kind of stuff. It's Nadi stop it. Privacy is important to meet. Please don't try to ruin it but I'm GonNa put all that aside for this hour because in this case in this specific course of action. Lear doing by decimating is this media. I can get behind this and I can't think of many times. Were hacking to destroy. Someone's computers is a good idea and at the same time. I'm excited to peek behind the curtain to see how. Us Cyber Command executes these missions. And there's a little part of me that kind of likes to watch chaos and destruction. Here's a moment where I get to see the full force of. Us Cyber Command unleashing a devastating blow to isis. Doesn't get you excited to and I just feel so lucky to hear this firsthand from commander within. Us Cyber Com. These people are extremely tight lipped. In fact they've never responsibility for any cyber attacks like this ever so now for the first time you to hear what operations are like inside their. This is crazy. So sorry sorry commander. Continue what are we? What are we looking at here? What's going on? So what they did have from the public view in an open source intelligence. You could see. They had over ten different languages of publication for their magazine. They had ten different websites at various various locations with new domain names every day so they had domain names. They had web servers. That were static. Ip's that spinning up for each specific language. They had magazines that were posted at You Know Accounts at Free File Upload Sites where they were push all this stuff out and the videos download and things like that. We all know that today at tons and tons of social media accounts that they were constantly Pulling together it's always. It's already been publicly reported. They had tons of telegram groups and tons of telegram accounts. So they have. Phones have email addresses to set up those accounts all across the board as they're buying servers. You can assess that. They have accounts at those specific providers. So they had servers domain names. They had emails they had. You know you can look at the code. On a webpage the source code on a Web page and see the file sharing server that served up the content for that Web server and they had all of this laid out at an at a global scale. They didn't care where it was in the world. They just wanted to be cheap fast and readily accessible. The team spent months gaining access to the network and learning what was in there. He couldn't go into detail about the techniques used but he didn't give me include that it all starts with email. 'cause I can't speak specific to us but if you look at you look at Cyber Operations Writ Large Ninety. I think this was in. This is in the hacking podcast over ninety percent of cyber attacks. Today start with email. And it's not just a spearfishing link it's access to that email account the username the email the email address in the password. That's that's that's where you can start and you can pivot everywhere from that. I've looked into a lot of hacks and whether it's an AP tea or just a bunch of teenage hackers yet. They love getting into email accounts to poke around. This is common for hackers and effective for getting more information and to move further into the network getting into an email account is golden. You can pivot from the email account into the other accounts associated to that email. Any thing that's tied to that email password reset so you can pick from email address into the aws account into the cloudflare count. Whatever that may be the email is the key that is the core piece to pivot through. Whoa that make sense. Yes of course. If you have access to my email address you could go to another service. I have my web hosting and Tell Them. I lost my password. And they'll send a link to my account with the password reset and if you had access to my email then you could see that and reset passwords so yeah getting access to someone's email account can open the doors to tons of other things. That person has to you so take note on this. Protect your email access. Make it a high priority to secure it. I give it a long complex password. Then enable two factor authentication on it make it hard for anyone to get in your email because of someone does get in. They could access to almost everything to operation. Going symphony was getting into their email accounts. This was getting them access to a ton of stuff and once they got in. They needed to establish persistence. This is where they can stay in the network hidden unseen even if how they got in got fixed or patched and this might be enabling a root kit or opening back door or leaving some program running that lets you connect back in later. We had multiple access vectors into the whole system. So it wasn't there wasn't just there wasn't just one one piece of software or exploit or something there was. It was a whole suite of things that that gave us the understanding in the access network doing this time the learned about what's in the network and they spent time pairing the infrastructure with the exploits needed us and they had a lot of meetings on what the best course of action was to take it all out if you make it on their list. It's it's not a matter of if it's just went like I was amazed working there that any challenge that would come to the folks at NSA or any of the developers. It was just a matter of time before they figured it out. There was nothing that I saw them. You know throw their hands up and say it's impossible. It might not be the way that you thought they would find a way to answer your question. Forget where you wanted to go. The assembled other people in deems. We're we're getting them ready. We had four or five of those teams because we had so many targets and they each got ten to fifteen targets right because we had to do the whole operation as quick as we could and because we didn't want to enemy no once part of the network was being taken down or locked out and then they start to they kind of like shut us off from getting to the rest. We had to do it all at the same time before they could catch on. So I'M GONNA assume targets are our servers social media accounts email addresses bank accounts mobile accounts like just. Let's try to completely delete as much as possible. All of those targets were on the docket. It was lockout. The League. Miss configure reroute. Sees anything that you could do to stop the network from functioning. We had to come up with. Who had which targets and then which ones it was. It was planned out to a T. Like down to the keystroke of this is the one I'm talking to. This is the one that I'm going. After first. And then second third fourth fifth and it was and they were pivoting and they were all dependent upon each other and the other team had their same list of starting with this one in going down the list and moving in pivoting and working their way through so we planned that out in detail and rehearsed it in detail prior to the operation. That was the that was the next step. That's amazing because when I was a network engineer I would get my scripts approved by other people before making a change and I never imagined hackers also getting their scripts approved before and they'll and then practicing as well. That's really something. Oh Yeah we we would. You had your plan to t- in we scripted it in a test environment to make sure that it worked all the way through to automate some things we automated as much as we could but then you still have to do some hands on stuff but we tested it. We had developers and technical directors review before we went to go and do it. We had an extensive amount of a Hertzel's before anything was actually executed on the real target. Everyone's got their practice on. This is their primary focus right. This is they're the one operation. Everyone was working on and focused on when you woke up when you go. This team was Ogsm all day every day. Osias operation going symphony in case. You're wondering it's name of this operation and yet the people on the team would come in and nights and weekends to conduct a lot of this preparation because there are certain things you want to do. When nobody's around to reduce your chances of being caught and certain tools and software had to be custom built to get it just right so people were working really hard to get everything ready for this cyber strike. The lastingly needed to do was pick a time window and when they can do this operation. The ten minute window was picked. Because that's when we knew they weren't going to be there so we had to we have profiled everything and know that this Two hour window was going to be the timeframe and we wanted to or at least I wanted everything executed within ten minutes. And as quick as we can at least getting the first foothold right. Once you get domain you hit the domain controller. You're good to go. But we had to get the domain controller in ten minutes. Kind of thing okay. The plan is ready to people already after the break. It's go time. Stay with us. So they set up the window. The rally the troops literal troops and they got everyone ready because this was the big day. All the teams assembled in what they call the operations room. It's a pretty big OP. Floor is what they call it so it looks. It does look like a movie a lot of screens phasing down like the command of the USS Enterprise or something like that. It's got everybody's got to keyboards four screens chairs lined up. Tv's all across the walls and the front on the sides with different. You know what you would see in a sock like infrastructures opera. Down stoplight charts. No world map rosters. All of that's up lights are dim. But it's like everyone is ready time for one last phone call to headquarters. We were waiting for approval for final approval from headquarters over the phone and once they said cleared hot then I turned to all the teams on the floor and then I say let's go put their heads down and a shift enter on the scripts and script started running. They started moving through parts of the network moving to recount swimming through servers moving through everything and executing according to plan the task unit immediately. Got To work running through the checklist exactly as they practiced it over and over in training but this was not training. This was live fire on the enemies infrastructure. You could hear the teams talking. Click this go into that directory that see Jackpot. There were running their scripts and conducting their operations deleting virtual machines taking over domain controllers. And this would give them access to key infrastructure that they were also destroying the raining down a symphony of cyber destruction. We had a large print out probably. He's three feet five. Six feet tacked up on the wall and it had everything every target printed on it every time somebody on the team would accomplish one of their objectives. They'd run a little piece of paper up to the commander to let him know what's been done. And these pieces of paper had little codes on them and so they bring a piece of paper and it's like one delta and it would say like packers or browns and I would know what that meant and then I would write it up on the board and reported up on the on the radio to higher headquarters because they retract. Everybody was tracking everything across the board. Everybody was dialed in from all across the enterprise to listening because this was a big such a big event. Things were going great. The teams were systematically destroying one thing after another within the Isis Media Network. They were hitting targets. All over the place deleting accounts wiping hard drives destroying systems in any way they could rerouting traffic taking control of accounts locking out accounts and wrecking everything in their path but then one of the teams announced that they have a problem operators on the keyboard. Everybody's there we're moving. Hit a roadblock you know your Putney you logging in from different. Ip Need to authenticate security question ruling. Oh man we don't know this. What's your pet name? Henrique figuring out disguise. Pets is his patenting. It was one of the core places that we were trying to go heart stopped. We got really all we're done. We're not going anywhere in one of the analysts who've been on the team with me for three years stands up in his like fifteen. Fifteen watt no way. It says pet's name it's gotta be new spike. Were bombed or something like that. And he's like no fifteen fifteen. It's always fifteen fifteen with this guy and we're like okay. Man Tries Fifteen fifteen phone. We're in let me continue to move onto the target. I mean the analysts. Get to know these guys down to such detail. They can anticipate what these guys are going to do before they actually do it in the technical in the technical room. Whoa this kind of trips me out. I mean this kind of highlights. The power of would insane. Us Cyber Command has right like they can infiltrate someone's life so much that the understand their secret question to all the counts that they've ever set up. That's some pretty deep burrowing into someone's network or even their mind and after that the task force continued to walk through their objectives hitting target after target taking things down and they had a lot of different types of targets. An interesting to me are the financial accounts. The commander said these. Were not the focus of the operation. But I'M GONNA assume that these did exist 'em they ran into them sometimes like you're not the FBI. We seize funds and then hold it but if you get locked out of your pay pal account and there's a thousand dollars in there that money is essentially gone you're not gonna be able to get it back and this wouldn't be a temporary lock. Because if the pay pal address was linked to an email and email gets taken over then you can change backup passwords and recovery passwords and Peop- passwords and everything so that there's no way to get back into that pay pal account ever but besides that Isis media had some crypto currencies. But with this you could just delete the private keys to those worlds and you're never getting back in there. Essentially destroying whatever crypto currency. They had there were. There was a lot of deleting going on so if they were in there. They're gone. But yeah if you could delete the private keys for I mean if you if you deleted like the private keys where they're storing this stuff on on a virtual server needs elite private keys of the virtual server. They're not getting back so it sounds like some money was lost during all of this and at this point they have successfully accomplished all of their primary objectives for this mission. We did it in about ten minutes that we got all of our key nodes and targets down in the first ten minutes and we had control and we knew at that point that they couldn't stop us and we stayed on for the next two four hours going through the rest of the target list but at that point in time we could take our time and and we knew that they couldn't take it back from us so they were totally postponed after ten minutes so we did have a brief like five moment of we got we got into all of the the main core places we needed to go to high five and then it was. Hey we still got to keep moving through the rest of the targets so after our brief moment of happiness we stayed on and kept going and going and going and going. We found more targets more and more more domains more servers. More parts of network. More files everything that we could we could find. And if it was within the approved plan that that we had approved or like are left and right lateral limits. Then we had a fax and if it wasn't we wrote it down catalogued it and then put it on the target list for the next day and so we worked until we knew that they were coming back and we kinda stopped and then related. Support yourself in isis media's shoes for a second here imagine you just got knocked out big time with hacks like you've never seen before all your servers are off lying. All your accounts were locked out like everything's just gone. What do you do right like you? Don't just say Oh. Well that's that let's be fine. No you work on trying to restore it. I mean that's what the. It team is there for right. They're not just like fired immediately. They're like called in to come help right. Now let's get everything stood back up so immediately the. It team started trying to stand up. Servers again and rebuild their websites and relaunched their email applications because they couldn't even get to emails anymore and they're rebuilding Like file servers and then having to reissue new accounts for everyone there. It's kind of like a building an entire network from scratch all over again or trying to restore from backups. And so while this was effective right away they did see is coming back online slowly and with a lot of trouble so this made some people wonder whether or not operation going symphony was successor. Not since Isis came back online just after you know. I'm obviously biased thing but I think it was very effective. He can't get into the specifics. About how effective this was. But if we step back and look at what public information we do know we see that Isis was very chatty on twitter before operation going symphony but that number of tweets drastically got reduced right after operation. Going symphony win into effect. If you don't have a file sharing server to pass the photos from from the front battlefield lines back to the middle mid level office back to the high level office. So they can edit the photos and use them in the video or from a field video of battle where they're isis is winning getting video back to somebody at another location to edit it to then you know upload it to then put it into a a a photo shop editor and make it into a sexy video if all that takes more time or you break that chain and at any point it's GonNa your whole production cycle longer and start missing deadlines you know. Your brand isn't as good nobody. Nobody likes a news outlet that has bad logo is bad videos and delays and releases. So when you impose that on them it erodes what Isis media was seeking to beat and people didn't like it as much and they didn't want to do attacks or go fight for them in Syria and one other thing that you would notice if you were kind of following the space at the time that after this initial attack from og only forty percent of the Isis websites came back online afterwards. Those other websites just never showed back up but when these new websites came back online this meant that jt aries had to attack again and so they did once you find target submitted up get it approved go take down target take down target. Take it down and we stayed on for. Oh Jeez continued from that day on for seven months and after taking down isis his websites over and over and over and over again and again for seven months they effectively took out ninety percent of Isis websites. That just never showed back up. We didn't have ops every day. But you know for the first thirty days or so we had. We almost had ops every day. Oh and another thing you can look at see how effective this was is the isis media magazines that they were put now. If you look at the Romania in the magazines were ices flagship magazine. They came out. They were fifty to sixty pages. High Quality Video Great Stories Instructions on how to tax recaps of old attacks. They did excerpts with leadership other Isis fighters to try and inspire people. And they were they were very good magazines productions. They had them in all the different languages and they were very professional when going. Sifni came into play. The RAMIAH magazine was the new magazine and they say that was coming out every thirty days. Like between twenty eight and thirty days and it was based off of the Islamic calendar at the time. We didn't know that this happened but when I was looking back you know we could definitely see the impact. They wanted it to come out between they wanted to come out on the first of each month a day of the month for the Islamic calendar. The five o'clock news comes on at five o'clock not five or five right when we look back at the impacts of growing symphony the November came out on Day. Thirty six so their average was twenty eight to thirty and it came out on day thirty six so it was very late almost a week late and then they were back on track and then other disruption ops and continued operations from. Osias came into play and when we come back we would see that date belonging and then we would see longer if you plot those dates out the dates get longer and longer until a point where the Ramiah had been discredited with other operations affects to a point to where they decided not to do it anymore that it was unsustainable the brand had been damaged and they abandoned it so it took time for the for them to give up and for the brand to be fully damaged but the operations to slow down the production to make it harder to delete the files to disrupt coordination to to do all of that had an impact over time to a point to where they abandoned it now as far as I know the US government has never taken credit for any cyberattacks like this ever. This is the first time ever that they've publicly said they have destroyed computers using cyberattacks. Now now that you say that I I think it is that they are saying. We have conducted offensive cyber operations against a target. I think this is the first time I mean in the past like the the public mission for more for cyber says we conduct offensive cyber operations in support of US government right so like the mission says offensive cyber and it said that for a long time. But I think you're right. Nobody said we did this. We deleted this. We locked out this so I never thought of it that way but I think you're right. It's still fascinating to me to see that the military trains hackers but I guess this is the natural progression of how the world has become because historically the military had four domains of warfare. Land Sea air and space but in nineteen ninety-five the added information as the fifth domain of warfare. The military has to be ready to battle on this front. Because if they aren't the enemy will be attacking us. They're in the military and all services. They're building out. Cyber branches and cyber specialties at an entry level on the enlisted side ended in officer side so kids from high school with computer skills. That WANNA get into hacking. Or after you go to college you WanNa get into hacking an officer you can. There are paths to go right into cyber career field in the military and they have the the blue team side with the cyber cyber protection teams and they have the offensive side with the combat mission teams. So whichever had you WANNA wear you can go right into those positions with training and and begin to execute on target indefens- or an offense the of the nation and while that's the story of Operation Going Symphony and J. T. F. Aries stormy isn't over. Jt Areas is still going strong conducting a lot of missions even today. Gto theories is still rocking and rolling. I mean they're moving on new targets. Every day other people involved with GTE various today have said that the attacks still go on and they do things like just annoy targets like lock them out of their accounts or slow down their computer or slow down there now work or do something to drain the cell phone battery of their target. The harder that they can make it for their target to get anything done in the day. The more of a success it feels like for JT. F.a.s.t and I mean the first push was solid six seven months of a day on. Stay on the ground forces have obviously taken back Syria from Isis. So it's a lot smaller than what it was in two thousand sixteen. But there's there's still in the fight every day so oh and as for Mozell because Iraq didn't have a strong enough army to take back their own town the. Us helped invaded and together to kick out ISIS which put an end to the caliphate. It's a stretch to say that operation going symphony helped take back Mozell but if you look at the series of events operation going symphony probably would have never happened if Isis didn't take Mozell over in the first place and you might be thinking the. Us has conducted destructive. Cyberattacks like this all the time like with stuxnet but the thing is the. Us has never admitted to doing stuxnet new. They refuse to talk about it at all so whether or not. This is the first attack like this one thing. That's alarmingly clear now is that the. Us is in the fight and not just doing signals collection but causing destruction through cyber attacks and it just makes me think that now that Oh Jesus was successful and J. T. F. Areas is still conducting these attacks today. Wonder what else does pave the way for. What are the doors got opened? Because of this. What other missions have been given the go-ahead to degrade and disrupt enemy networks with the connected modern world? We live in a lot as possible such as remotely Disabling Car Draining. A crypto wallet shutting off the power to a missile silo the NSA in Cyber Command of sometimes been accused of going over the line on what they're legally allowed to do like to innocent American people but one thing is clear if someone celebrates the death of Americans or threatens Americans. These are the people who will take full notice of this and go after them and the general goal in mission of the NSA and Cyber Command is to protect the US from threats like that. So it's just fascinating to see what happens and how they go after these people now. You might be wondering. How did I really get this interview? How did I get a mission commander from us? Sira calm to come tell the story about that time he hacked ICES will. It's interesting actually last year. I think it was some journalists from vices motherboard heard about operation going symphony. They submitted a freedom of information request to the government to learn more. Into all our surprise the government sent them tons of information about G S. It was really incredible to peek behind the curtain for the first time and then in the last few months a reporter from NPR actually asked the generals and commanders. That were involved in this to speak on the record to hear more and again everyone's surprise approvals were given and it was around this time that I just happened to bump into the commander at Defcon while I was there and we started talking and I heard this story and I was like. Oh my gosh if you were able to speak on. Npr about this. Is it possible that you could come on my show darkness? Diaries and tell me this story so he went back to. Us Cyber Command and requested to be on this show and he was given approval unbelievable and once. I had this episode all done and ready to go ahead to get one last approval from the. Us government people in Cyber Command or more for cyber had to listen to this to verify that nothing was said. That shouldn't have been said and there were even some generals ahead to approve this too. Which is just incredible to me because I thought I would never hear a story from within. Us Cyber Command about this time that they hacked anything much less ices so you had. This is a story that I never thought I would ever get to do a big. Thank you to the commander for sharing this story with us. This one really truly is unbelievable to hear firsthand what you went through. Thank you again. And thanks to Major General Gravy for approving him to be on the show. The show is made by me. Cadet. Jack reciter reporting in from the dark net division. Editing helped by the Sanguine Guard Damian. Our theme music is by the. Sonic assaulter brake master cylinder and even though someone from the Dod starts following me on linked in every time I say it. This is dark net diaries. 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Making Trillions

Business & Biceps

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Making Trillions

"Look at them a little bit differently because we can all participate in the growth. And if anybody thinks Amazon, poor apple is stopping anytime soon, they need to get their head check. On today's show, not only talk about building. But John likes talk about thirteen zeros may listen, man, we've had to record breakers, apple, Amazon, hit a one trillion dollar market cap, and I'm the breakdown for you. You can participate in. Imerese, how fun is your program today is? Very fun is so fun. Yeah. Decide to tell you all how nobody gives a fuck that sounds really fun. And I'm going to tell you about the things six things. I'm just not into it. Let's go. What's up everybody local to another episode of business and biceps and you'd better wake your ass up. Don't try out flex me guy. You better wake your ass up. 'cause on today's show, we're gonna talk about the value of building repore in business. Can you can spell report are a PPO RT you know what else? 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I mean, he's rolling down the street and his Ford or Rolls Royce. Stepping out, oh, getting into the building at Newark. Art. But now we walk along with the listeners to the job Fosko program. Jump responsibility nor Orkney behold for says, those are gestures his mentally healthy. Most of the time if your fended by these statements. No, that is not Johnson tension. He doesn't really care this being said, listening risk, shut the fuck up. Well, thank you. MAURICE said that was fitting intro, corey's, never insured me like that. I will. I will now mandate res. Drop though. Do you remember John in the now? I remember everything. Okay. The bulls, especially the what they used to do before they came out of the tunnel with Jordan, them. Visit gave times you remember that shit. Of course, I, I'm going to try to find that for part of your job. Good. Okay. Your turn very good. I like that. That would that brought back a good memory, but I am going to go into something very different than basketball. Something recently happened. That's never never happened in the history of business or the financial markets. So recently we had the first two trillion dollar market caps, and I want you guys to take this in in a couple ways. So the when I say first off, I want to define a couple of things. I zero trillion. Thirteen thirteen. No, I know I knew you would know. Yeah, so so we're talking thirteen zeros and apple was the first company to cross the trillion dollar finish line if you will. It's not a finish line, but high pressure and then Amazon crossed it now Amazon creep back a little bit. I think they're at nine hundred eighty six billion right now, but probably later today, they'll they'll go back into the trillion dollar market cap and for people who don't know exactly what market cap means that is the outstanding value of public shares. So when you guys here that I don't want you to think if you guys are beginning investors that that's just apple and Amazon getting rich. The definition of a public company is that they are public and when they are public, that means the public can participate in Bill. Adding them, that means we can invest in them. So when apple had a one hundred billion dollar valuation or a fifty billion dollar valuation as opposed to saying, wow, I love their iphone. You could've said, while I wanna buy share their stock and you could rolled your money over twenty times craze. Amazon, you know, had had the same thing had had a twenty billion dollar valuation as opposed to, you know, getting prime and getting shit delivered on Sundays. You could have said, I want to buy a share to of Amazon stock. So these numbers and these companies aren't just for the benefit of Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs in the crew at apple. I'm I mean, the descendants of Steve job and Tim cook and all those they are. They are the American financial system. So I want people to understand when we talk about companies like Robin Hood and all. That that give you the ability to participate in the American financial system. We had two companies just pass over the trillion dollar threshold, and that means people me and you and Weber chooses to get involved in them. We're reaping the benefits, and I just want to take this moment to say it's never happened and when we're looking at them, let's let's look at them differently. Men this business and biceps. Let's stop being wild by their iphone and stop standing in line and all this stuff. You want to get an iphone, you find, but start looking at it as while, what a company I would rather deploy my eight hundred dollars. Okay. To buy three shares of their stock where I would rather deploy my two thousand dollars to buy share Amazon stock then by a ring on Amazon that cost like look at them a little bit differently because we can all participate in their growth. And if anybody thinks Amazon or apple is stopping anytime soon, they need to get their head checked. Right. So so so we need to celebrate the fact. That our markets are operating at record levels and for those who aren't sure about getting involved. I really want you to understand that you do not build up to a trillion dollar market cap without people like me and everyone else in this room buying your shares of stock, and we get to share in the prophet. So this is a win for two American companies that. We've never seen anything the size of this, right? We've never seen anything the size of this. So all I'm gonna leave you with is I really want people to look at it differently, stopping wild by what they put out and start thinking. I want to be a part of that, and I can be a part of that by deploying my capital and putting it into that. I'm tripping on just the magnitude of it within the magnitude and out is even more. He says, Amazon is stopping, bro row. Listen, I'm buying the eighteen nineteen hundred dollars share and think it's I think it's gonna be like ten thousand still goodbye. Think I'm telling you that there's no time soon. Amazon is to bid. He's real brothers to me what what they have done and if people don't realize and already does article, maybe this is what two thousand eighteen are in article. Maybe the start of twenty sixteen where they had a plan to continue to build these big distribution centers. And that's like the biggest disruptor amongst everything and they're like schedule one hundred and fifty a year, just plop these million dollars square four street from the gym, bro. Literally, let me put his mother fucker in your neighborhood, and then the bigger part of it is they've, they've said, fuck FedEx, fuck ups. Fuck the United States, postal service, and now for ten thousand dollars, you can come and you can participate and be an entrepreneur to do our last mile delivery. So crazy as so now you birth entrepreneurs and figure out logistic piece, which they allows you to distribute product to more areas or places that people probably couldn't get Amazon doing that John too. They were talking about messing with healthcare. On healthcare, what if a business that lives online or does most of their commerce online or even if it's not online, but but definitely if it is online, you need to understand that part of your strategy out of the gate. A big part of it is how do we deal with Amazon? How are we going to be competitive with Amazon? Because whatever you sell or whatever you do there is a high probability that they do it, and Amazon can single handedly put you out of business due to their speed and due to their pricing structure. They are truly an Amazon, the largest rainforest in the world. And I want you to remember this if you can't beat them, join them. So if they fuck you up, take some of that money and invested in them because they're going to keep fucking people up and you could. Join the party or you can resist the part lucrative punching straighten the fucking mouth. And Amazon is dictating how WalMart does business. You're damn right now on them. Like apple, Amazon is driving that entire like, so if for people who pays attention, there's a lot of people pay attention but pay attention to Amazon does endangers. Go look at it from a business standpoint with WalMart is doing like they're, they're going to going to streaming video right now once a WalMart is. Yeah, once once Amazon bought whole foods, WalMart started getting all aggressive with delivery and all this shit. Amazon is putting pressure on every all the way down to max for muscle do they're putting pressure on everybody and they will win in less, you adapt. But but but I love your point because WalMart is a juggernaut. Amazon is stepping on them and brood. They had the lead man WalMart's been around since the seventies, and it's just amazing. So everybody take a moment, stop thinking about all these companies are getting huger, so rich and start participating in the fun. We live in the greatest country in the world man with be capitalists, and let's also calm down and go to. It's motivation time brought to you by the nicest smile. ES manual ever meet, get ready for Corey. All right, thanks, John. Today we're gonna talk about a couple of things that are not for me. All right. List. So in this is this list is based on, I think things that I saw either growing up or dialogue are heard or witnessed that I believe made me want to challenge myself as an adult to live differently. Right? So here's my six things that are not for me. Number one living check to check is not for fucking me, and I'll tell you why I watched my parents constantly fight. I watched them behalf to be so strategic with when they could pay their bills when they could go grocery shopping, everything was dictated by win that check hit now understand that there's a lot of people probably listening right now that are like that. But what I want to challenge you think about is that you can put yourself in that financial whole that it it doesn't have to be like that you don't have to make a crapload of money not to live check to check. It's all. Based on your overhead. Right? Which comes to another point. But one thing that I disliked this, how much pressure was constantly around those dates to barely make it in that to me was there's multiple problems there, but that was one thing that always remember. Just like the feeling I was like, you know what? Fuck that like that is not for me. Totally. Number two gambling is not for me and. Club, but it's for a lot of people in general in this all is based around stuff in context to it. My dad was huge playing the pick for the lottery into me. I'm sorry. I know high lottery makes a lot of money and does whatever with it. But at the end of the day, it's a fucking poor man's with it's a regressive tax on the poor. It's unbelievable into get up every Saturday to think what if the numbers hit my way, it's a fucking poor way to think. And so you get let down as a little kid every fucking week. Right? So the fucking lottery and gambling is not for me. I go to Vegas hall and I don't put one diamond the fucking machine, and I don't even care. I have no interest in it because you know what? Straight up the thousand. I'm gonna lose the machine. I'd rather go buy some shit if I'm really going to spend it. I mean at least have something back for that. Terrible. Yeah. Someone else determining my future is also not for me once again based. Around the stress of the job. I thought to myself, that to me seems more risky than me being the sale of being the captain of the ship that can sail wherever at once being the person that is dictated by someone else constantly on what my future will be not having in my hands seems risky to me to most people. It seems the opposite, right? It's. But to me, it seems risky to have it all the way soley in someone else's hands all the time. That's not for me. John. Number four. Lacking financial literacy, the basics, financial from overhead to assets and liabilities. I've learned a ton actually by being with around John is a business partner in investments, but I'm talking about the fucking basics like what is an asset? What is the liability? What is overhead, how to read a basic PNL and even that's a little bit more vanc- what I'm talking about, but just the basics on how money operates, how you should operate around it in what it means. Right. Just like fucking balancing your checkbook, understanding win the spend money when not to spend money, financial discipline, just basic shit. That's one thing. It's not for me number five, I think not owning your residents, which I know we've talked about this multiple time on here, Rhett wise mode that you were looking for a place and that wasn't time for you to buy it. And John just moving here has bought a house here yet. But for me, I looked at it like it was in. It's a little bit of Oji way of thinking. But for me, I wanted. So bad to just own my house. Now, I don't care if your houses fifty thousand or fucking five million that that's, but to just say that I know this property is mine. The money put into it. Hopefully I'll get back out of it that it's a piggy Bank that it's there in in. I really, really pushed hard to pay that motherfucker off because at most people don't even pay their house off till they're sixty or seventy years old. And then at that point it's like, I know that's part, but to me, I wanted to make sure at a reasonable age. It was very important for me to to pay my crib off. So not owning my house was not for me. And lastly. Never leaving my town that that was a thing that not leaving it even to move away, but you're seeing what else is out there, and I'm sure you guys both have people from your neighborhood. They never fucking leave like there's people from where I'm from. They never travel, not not even talking about going fucking Italy talking about going to Indiana, like Dr. Fucking biscuit, see the fucking sand dunes in Michigan. That's why the amazing pairing Italy to Indiana's very fair compared. I think you, but it's the point, right? Some people think it has to be so grant. It doesn't like just drive to a different state and see what they got. What if you love it there, it's just seeing what else is out there. And I think that all the things that I mentioned here are all part of a mentality that can close you down in just hold you in a certain area in those are things that are just not for me, hey, you know what? I, what I like about it is this is your. Pudding, whether somebody agrees with you. It's me. It doesn't have to be the fact that you're just just doubling down on, hey, I know myself and these are the things that are non-negotiable. I think it's very important that everybody whether their list looks exactly like yours or totally different knows what's not for them and also knows what's for them because we're all different. And this leads to having a sound mind and being able to just operate freely. So I like that you put that out there because if everybody did that, they'd be able to navigate their life a lot more effectively. It's really just what I just, I just knew these things that happened. I couldn't control him, but as an adult I can attest when you're eating that a guy who Meyer who's a massive businessman. He said when he's getting ready to get him business with anybody and and live. Literally said, the first thing he do is that he said is more important to know what we don't want to do, what we don't want to make happen. What we do. Right. He said when he didn't, we need to knock that out the way I and is my do so highs before I get into business with anybody. He's any figure out what we don't want to happen where we don't want to see happen to come to interim in- and Dan bef- after we've come to agreement. And so I looked at that as you make an agreement to yourself that these are things that I don't want to happen in my life or I don't wanna see haven't, and I was talking to us talking to a class at Ohio State yesterday, and it was funny like just, you know how much of just what the content from this podcast I was talking to him about just about the importance of just understanding what you do want, but understanding what you do want is the opposite are it's in the neighborhood of understanding what you don't want to take place in alive so and being decisive and nothing, you know, being decisive what is obviously ass confidence and in drives behavior. And I think that's all to me gold to drive you behavior every day, knowing. What it is you do. I think you should challenge yourself to regular today, whatever they completely different than mine, but it doesn't matter. It's your list so it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Absolutely. So all right. I think it's time to drop it. Cramped drop your shirt says now, but I'm saying, yeah, drop it. Do you say you're gonna do get your ass. Thrown off the fucking shit, like a pirate some kind of program folks on the next mass program talking about. Let's go to the back door barbecue. That's not my program drop. And then I get you into horror program. On the right program. Yes. So today's today, today's this'll be the fun program. It only fun of because I'm relapsing him in Dallas. Right? Okay. So I, it stems from something that I put on social media. And this morning I was I was jogging and in the course of jogging I was just, you know, doing my thing, you know, I didn't have any hair phones just jogging and jogging jogging along. And the next thing you know it is like kinda hit me from Montauk than I have with these kids yesterday, and I was talking to a bunch of young people from our state throughout a class at a sports and business class at and going on talk last night and we had a q. and a. session at the end of the the talk. And when I was talking to him, they were asking questions as people actually like gave a fuck about them. Right. Are this like big since like the whole world cared about all of my feelings. Yeah, that's that's where I'm going. And I was like, they on the wrong program, definitely on the wrong pro Ave. This gets to the fun pro. No. So so so segues into like literally my mind your switch to like this gazed them and Taliban, like I give a fuck about your, you know saying, but in truth, but it it was like it was fun for me to feel like gangster. Because Burris got hit them hard like you're excited the Dallas part of what you're. Spraying that room. I was all the way element. Like somebody gives a fuck about your like. So the room is like, is, is actually a cool environment. It's called curl market. Curl market is so curl market is, is a like a food of cafe sort of thing campus in a whole building glass and upstairs had about maybe sixty seventy people. You know, sending. These are all kids who are in in some sort of the classes called business sports or the businesses sports or something like that. And you know, after we were talking, we had this question ads is opened up and people were like, you know, you know they, they were. They were just carrying the questions were like, I'm trying to like get him for my head, but the the, the synopsis of what these kids were saying was that they felt entitled to feel certain ways or certain opportunities should be a lot to them from just going through college. And I was just trying to let them know light, you know, once you all leave this space, like nobody gives a fuck. Like nobody gives a fuck if you graduate from Harvard. Or if you graduate from wow, stay if you graduate from how Dominican are if you graduated from fucking Penn State, nobody gives a fuck. Right. And I just thought how series that was just into life in general. Like nobody gives a fuck about, you know, either you're says, story are either what you've been through to get to the point before you inter-business like nobody gives a fuck about just to be honest like, I don't really give a shit about what John d. before he came here, like, you know, saying like the only thing that matters is, is he delivering on his platform or not, you know, say in receive it. You like the look on a trace. It's the truth, right? Dare headline crossing. What is truth, but sometimes harsher words like make you really think about stuff like that was the whole deal and not as like, you know, just as so many spaces in life. You know, you have these films like, you know, we walk around and we have a generation where people just feel sorry for themselves are John thinks says, stories, more important. Correy says story. I think my everybody got one bro and don't give a fuck, but you can walk around thinking that you're sad story or the circumstance that you come from valid is Valerie's in the justify while you're filling what you do are somebody should give you a break. Nobody gives a fuck bro, you know, saying and it and and like as hard as it is to swallow for most people. And as much as we think that, you know, we should all care. I say, you know, nobody cares besides your mother insured pass real Sunday and he's getting paid care. Delfi cares. He's just getting the collection plate, right? So, and this is literally sometimes I think being able to hold on as wallow hard truths and put them in your piggy-bank like your internal piggy Bank and say, okay, like is not a good or bad thing that John doesn't give a fuck about me just reality or something because it's not John responsibility until the listener John's across from making reference, but it is not is not much responsibility to deeply care to have a deep concern. Yeah, no. If they say they're, they're, they're lying to you. If you looked at me and said, John, you know, I really care about what you did professionally before you came here. I look at you and I know you're a fucking liar and that's in for the listener to the young guy. You know, who happens to listen to the podcast who's walking around campus, you know the whole deal and the group Gaza Joe around y'all can have, you know the best relationships you have the best. Relationships with professors. You can have the best relationships with all of the people in your surrounding area. But the bottom line in life is that nobody really gives a fuck about your success or failures other than you and your mother as it. You know what I'm saying? And so that's the harsh reality of it and like, so, so don't don't get hail bent. Somebody doesn't care about she was a person because the fact of life, you know what I'm saying? And and the other fact is I think more motherfuckers wanna see, you lose and so you win. I admit it or not, but but that's, that's why you gotta put all your stock in yourself and understand that as a person. Yeah, nobody can give a fuck about you, but what people do give a fuck about, like what you alluded to about five minutes ago is what's going on in this room, aka, what are you contributing? So that's not a personal thing. That's a professional thing. So if you're a college kid, listen, mo- talk grasping that no one is gonna give a fuck about you personally, whether that feels good or not. It's reality. Now if you want someone to care about you in the professional world killer you contributing, what are you contribute if you're not contributing the the whole? What have you done for me lately thing, righteous. It's a very popular saying for a reason if you're contributing, people are going to care about you. So to what you say in this reason that the statement had withstood the test of time it's time to is timeless literally the world that we live in. In is a world of what have you done in a business environment for me lately, and we, we don't wanna hear about it. You think that, but I just wanted to wanted to short smallest sayings that can just captured it. What you did yesterday don't mean shit, like everything is delivery is important. And I know what I got twenty seconds. One of the greatest examples of that is when I say this whole just out Tom Levy on bail, right? He's on TV. He wants a bigger contract. Stiller's give a fuck bro. Mike Tomlin. Sorry, talking about the next dude there to try to nobody gives a fuck about you. I don't care what you've done. I don't care how much you've contribute it. I don't care what you think that you meant to this program. I don't care how many autographs you sign. The bottom line is brother on the field. Period and you gotta know when you got play by the rules. And when you make the rules and knowing where you sit those two paradigms 's is crucial more. John. I was thinking I was into looking for talent solutions. Oh, cool. Fuck, that's okay. What's the punchline motherfucker? Lichtman dot com. Okay. Slashed biceps. Okay. And because we employ some amazing people what we need, new talent, we always does red zone. Yes, that's where we're looking for them because seventy percent of the US workforce John, which is a fuck lotta people. That's a lot of people is on Lincoln including your hacked account. Am I account of? Yeah, I haven't used. I don't know if you heard the red zone fired everybody because they had to make room for my salary. Kidding? No, no, honestly, I think it's a pleasure to have linked in as a partner because as employers, we all know that you can't just pull people out of the sky. It's nice to be able to try to use social media and this and that. But at the end of the day, if you want to get something done, you have to go to a place where talent lives optional Zang and not only talent live on Lincoln and not only should every employer go. There linked in is, you know, we talked about apple, Amazon linked in is the apple Amazon of jobless things and talent listings. So if you are a business, you could save fifty dollars by by going to Lincoln dot com. Ford slash biceps. Here's what things I love is fucking cool. Having Lincoln as a sponsor because they're such a big boy. I mean that's like like to record like Dabbagh company like that, say, we want to showcase on biz it's it's awesome. It's an feeling I I know you use need all the time Murray's linked. And you said previously that it's nice because you can really kind of go down rabbit hole for each person. In that for two reasons. One, if you're an employee looking at the employee, this is the most organized platform that I think that people who implore people look on, it allows you to detail who you are. It's format for you to basically just put an electric resume up that people can pull from when we're searching for new people within our company is too great resource from an employer. It just, you know, vice versa. You have a pool of people being whatever OECD you're an, you know, like just where we're at. Now, we can put in a city. We can put it in the licensor and we will literally have you know, two hundred people pop up from this town based upon position that we're looking for and you can filter through through education through previous work history through their affiliate would would with who who they're affiliated with as so it has like I a contemporary professional Facebook failed to it, which is very easy because a lot of people are used to looking at Facebook and house formatted and platforms and the. Associated relationship. So if you're looking to be employed, you should probably get your shit together. Put it on a, are you looking for somebody to to employ is a great place to take while done. If you're on the get your shit together program. And fifty bucks off for employers, which is awesome last, but not least John o. Cory. Gregory talk about CBD oil that's coming at Max's ever muscle and impediment that's exploding. So to new products that were excited like really excited about Enso's everyone else amphetamine we blew through and and we sold out of which was stunning, and but but but will be restocked and I think we're getting restocked today. So the world is taking notice that they can get more work done that they could be more focused and they could just be energized to work with something that's nonstop and non addictive. So amphetamine amphetamines is here to stay. Everyone loves it. You're gonna love it, try it. CBD oil is manage the new frontier. It's here of painkilling. It's the new frontier of anxiety relief. It's the new frontier of sleep Baid. It's organic and. It can prevent the use of pharmaceutical addictive drugs. I mean, this noble shit is a game changer, and it's going to be hitting the market from max effort, muscle dot com. Very soon get ready for preorder because it's common Ray for preorder maximum muscle dot com. Go back to the show. Time for Cuna for Jeremy's pants. I want everyone to understand. We post a picture of terror. We have to. I wanna I want everyone to understand on on life that there's a huge black curtain and we we cannot see but life about to ask questions. So when we hear his voice, it's very daunting and hilarious. So Jeremy about lifeless. Go BNP, but life, but lifelock life. But life brought to you by bought live hashtag, but life but life. One. Don't go to that. Okay. All right for that intro. So first of all, keep sending us questions at biz and biceps on Instagram and Twitter be is e and biceps. All right. First question, I feel a great deal of frustration at my business when my employees don't perform at my personal higher level of creativity intensity inefficiency, is it realistic to have these expectations? No. When you are so good in your space, can you have realistic expectations from your team? Will they ever satisfy your hunger for? I, I've never heard. Fuck I check yourself because you just said you're so good in your space. I just talked about two companies. Sarah worth a trillion fucking dollars. So don't start the question off by him, so fucking good in your space, and if you are so good in your space, your name, e either either Jeff Bezos or Tim cook or one of those guys, which I doubt it is because Jeremy would've told us, so. So you gotta start, fuck your employees right now, you gotta start with yourself brother. You're not that good, right? You're, you're talking about how you can't manage people and you're talking about how you're that. Good and that and this creative according to what? According to what have some humility. I don't hear I nothing special. I'm a guy who tries to learn how to get better in business every day. I've accomplished some things, but I've been accomplished shit compared to fucking. Real gangsters in business. That's just how it goes. So when you talk like this, I am so fucking talented and I don't want no, why my book and employee's aren't as creative and his talented as me, maybe because you're focused on yourself and you're not leading them, maybe because you you're saying you guys aren't as good as we look at you. I'm back, no dude. That's not how you lead people. You lead people by taking the gifts you have and sharing it with them and trying to duplicat