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"office strategic services" Discussed on Borne the Battle

Borne the Battle

04:22 min | 5 months ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on Borne the Battle

"Do in time of war do cross cross the border injuries germany and do their best to slow down. The russian advance zero. How can it was. It was a pretty tall task because there about twenty five. Allied troops inside westmoreland and we were surrounded by out one million. Russian is your troops but right around berlin. There was what was called the ring which was extensive railway network and it was the key for the russians to move. Their troops from the east towards germany was if we could report on that if we knockout ridges it we derailed trains. We give the americans in west germany. Twenty four forty eight. Maybe even seventy two hours of delay and that's all we were therefore was the give the troops in western europe time to meet russians if they act toler. Yeah no kidding. I mean you look at the one million again but i guess what twelve thousand in the city and you were there to delay the oncoming horde to the rest of europe That's an incredible missions. You're just a cell. That was just waiting to be green. Lit pretty much. We were six. Six teams of twelve guys doers. Go north to to go south. They hit the real way to would remain semi do sabotage. The is germans and russians if they tried to occupy city. Yeah it was a very tall order. Some people saw was berlin as what would become the world's largest pow camp but there were those amongst us. Maybe maybe we have a chance here to answer your question. No we'd never really think it was a suicide mission. Probably was yeah. No kidding well. I did do some research after after initial you're initially reached out to me the plan to blow up. The trains was pretty ingenious. But the cold bit. Talk to talk to us about that about okay. Yeah you're going to sabotage but you guess we're going to do it in such a ingenious way by letting them blow up their own and the thing about this is. It's really important to know history because the offices strategic services and the british of special operations executive during world war two came up with the same idea which is used it borrowed it get. Actually actually it was the confederates during world war during the civil war. They had what we're called derby which were disguise bums that they would try to put into a ship or a locomotive that would explode when heated up so this is an old tactic that we brought up today and worked up until the point when the east germans modified the method of fueling their locomotive. Speak as they used your from block coal to pover- is and when they switched over to pulverize cool. It ruined ruined the of. Yeah think this as blowing real islam blowing Things like gotcha very good. Now you are with this mission for nine years Blend right into west berlin Again a city right in the heart of east germany. You said we about twelve thousand soldiers. They had a million Surrounded by warsaw-pact countries nine years underground the articles in many statements from your buddies in this unit. They they stayed that charlie beck with The godfather delta force green berets the great charlie beck with And the godfather the navy seals. They came.

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"office strategic services" Discussed on Trap House Variety Hour

Trap House Variety Hour

08:12 min | 1 year ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on Trap House Variety Hour

"Welcome back to another very special episode of the Trap House Variety. Out this week, we have very special guest Jameson Navy corporate. Halo Jumper. Jiu Jitsu? Practitioner. And so much more. We also talk about Jason went to the. UC Performance Institute and Company to of Two young fighters in their upcoming fights for what's it called? The Dana White's contender series we talked about traveling in Covy. So. Much more here only than a very special episode chapels variety hour. We're back they're. Going all right. It's going on. We do we have a guest today very, very special guest. Mr. Jamison sharp appreciate you guys. Nice to nice to have you here. It's a pretty awesome. You know. I. Met You. The first time at the Huytler seminar for law enforcement. The one, the late Easter. Wherever South. Is Pretty Cool. To meet you there. Okay. Not as in depth as we normally would but it was school still. Hanging out with you and see how you do think they know who you work time. This, I'm still fresh new to the JICI community here in Kansas City. So getting to know everybody's been a real blast. 'cause you just never know who you're amongst. Privilege? Is appreciate that. He I didn't even know. Here's a black belt. So you've been injured Jitsu literally over ten years. Do you put? Yeah I've been. I've been wrestling since I was a kid and then started to get after college. It's exciting and on top of that. Veteran. That's crazy man. It's awesome. Thanks will you're a man of many talents yourself right and see them. You're you're the the bio I picked up off you when when he came in, you were special forces medic. True. I was not a green beret, ok-. Okay. So let purchased a medic I was a navy corpsman. Okay. All right in there is. The real talents in me if we go back and look at things is. I'm an espionage historian, intelligence story and spending time with an intelligence team. That's where my real subject matter Nishioka's because when you start learning about Intel, this is something I've picked up over my wife time. It's not like one day I decided to. The side Hey I'm to be an intelligence historian. Many many many years ago I started meeting a guy by the name of Duane Dewey cleric. Now, if you know anything about Duane Dewey claridge uncle, Dewey's Khan. He has a CI case officer. He was involved in the Oliver North? Iran Contra scandal, and that's when he left the CIA resigned. In after that, what Dwayne did was he started networks with A. Few, other guys out of eastern Afghanistan in the middle. East for Counter Carrozza. Now, Duane Dewey Claridge was one the founding. Fathers of the counterterrorism center at the CIA. Right so In his retirement, he still ran networks and was funded not only by dod and privately, but some Clinton clandestine. The clandestine Surhoff. So books type things CIA have guys running everywhere. Throughout the globe and. Their job is to be the trip wire for our. Republican democracy on Threats. In our midst. We need to know what other countries and other regimes are doing. So our policymakers can make informed decisions about what best course of action to make when it comes to dealing with those dangerous or friendly allies, and so that's what the. Job is to really investigate really get boots on the ground or people on the ground. And Form Relationships and assets and go behind the lines on getting clear look what's going on does that make sense guys? And Look. I don't know if you know what the offices strategic services. Let's do. You know what? That is all the offices the. Right that was a little fact in world. War, two. there. So this is the what is it the strategic this writer Sesser to the CIA and their name was the office of strategic services they were started and led pioneered by the man who was a Wall Street banker. In Attorney Name Wild Bill Donovan. He was a world war two Meta von winner. And he was I'll just go say this he was part of a network from Yale? And part of a network in the northeast of the elite schools and recruited from these schools with professors people to come in and help him in his mission of being the foreign intelligence. Gathers collectors for the president at the time, which is Franklin D Roosevelt. Now I'm probably going to lose a lot of people here because this history. So fascinating so deep and. It's hard for me to. I guess communicate the exact history here but. What he did was he was naturally going overseas since she was already a businessman. And listening and learning in developing relationships, people, and foreign governments and learning what was really going on. Because at the time we had no in our neck. We had no news service actually communicate to policymakers depressing over here what was going on over there? So that was Mild Bill Donovan's job and he recruited people to help him. and. They were basically people he knew and what time period we talking we're talking about world, War Two at the beginning right before two. Okay. And the first guy you mentioned what time period we talked about with him dwayne cleric Uncle Dewey uncle do. Literally was in the nineteen seventies eighties okay and so he was rounded teams in Afghanistan in in sort of anti USSR operation exactly. Yeah. Did he also So he didn't stick around for when some of those teams and assets that were directed at the United States. Right so. What his job was was remain relationships within northern and eastern alliance among the Taliban. Villages in government he was able to facilitate. Intelligence War information-gathering communications in Pakistan across the lines in Afghanistan because you're gonNA send a white man over there who is not? you know versed, you're not going to send an an asset or intelligent off pertinent intelligence officer over there to Afghanistan who doesn't know the tribal people are elders already because it's such a closed off society here but do Wayne Claridge in bearden had a network in place already because they fought the Russians, early eighties. So. Back in early two, thousand win when we basically. Send our intelligence teams into Afghanistan to know to start. Overthrowing the Taliban. Eleven. The men responsible for those networks was milt bearden who fought the Russians on the ground Pakistan and develop those relationships nephew and miss down with Hamad Karzai in those families..

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"office strategic services" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

News Radio 920 AM

02:35 min | 1 year ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

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"office strategic services" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

02:25 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on KQED Radio

"On became my good friend, Sarah Vaughan, became good. They were good good people. We ended by the aphid Jackson Five still they will. Fifteen years. Leah chase said she simply loved people, and she continued to work well into her nineties, and yesterday as they announced her death chases family vowed to continue her legacy of work. Pray do for others. Stop me. If you've heard this one before a major league baseball player gets a side, gig, working for US intelligence during World War, Two, well, that's the story of Morris, Moe Berg told in a new documentary called the spy behind home plate Burg, followed a winding path to the intelligence world. He earned degrees from Princeton and Columbia, and he toward the world playing on an all star baseball team with the likes of Babe Ruth of Eva camp. Noor directed the film. She says Burg was recruited by the top US intelligence agency at the time, the offices strategic services, the s s because he was smart and quick on his feet. He was both brilliant, but he also had languages. And let's face it, even though who's an older athlete, because ready coats, this is a man who could get out of places fast and new. A Europe from all his travels, you know, we talk a lot about not letting immigrants come to this country. But what's interesting to me is some of the most successful. Oh, assess participants were those who were either immigrants themselves or children of immigrants because they knew the languages, they knew the customs of the countries, they had left, and they can be easily drop back in those places or in Iraq there without raising suspicion. So he's working for the s I wanna talk about one particular mission. This was during World War, Two he was asked to attend a speech by Werner Karl Heisenberg, who is German, theoretical physicist, and most importantly, the head of the Nazi nuclear weapons project. Let's play a short clip from your.

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"office strategic services" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

KLIF 570 AM

13:20 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM

"L F. Welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you along with any Jacobson with her latest works apprise kill vanishing any as we get into this. Where can people get your book? You know, bookstores everywhere and good old Amazon Barnes and noble online. Independent booksellers everywhere. They sell Uber. Now, we were talking before the break about how many members might be involved in these paramilitary units. Are they involved with with the military? Are they working on their own? What kind of cooperation is there between the military branches and the CIA acquaint question. So where we left off with a hundred fifteen special operators from the CIA went into Afghantistan there. They were all mended by two thousand vessel forces operators from the Pentagon. So those were seals delta green berets. So that gives you an idea like how they mic now, the paramilitary operations are also sometimes run by what's called a singleton, meaning one guy, and that was mostly the case with my main character guy named Billy wall. He's now eighty nine. As I was telling you he was in Afghanistan when he was seventy two he was going after Qaddafi when he was eighty two. He did most of admissions alone. He took the first surveillance photographs of Osama bin Laden in nineteen ninety two. Yeah. Did he get Qaddafi was was he one of those responsible for the uprising? He he went after he was actually looking for according to him. He was looking for Qaddafi generals who he had worked with in the seventies for the CIA that was his first mission after Vietnam. And I write this whole story out into prize kill vanish, and it's just a staunching to realize how it works. And also how guy like Billy wall has worked across six decades for the agency and how loyal they are to a guy like him. And here's why is he never screwed up. What was he to do Hetty found those generals? Kill them bomb. He would that you know, that that's where it gets a little big George. You know, I ask those questions, and you know, I can't talk about that. I mean, there's a lot of you know, I can't talk about that in the book. And then when I get to the end, I don't wanna I don't wanna really my ending. But I'm gonna tease it here. Right. Talks about a team. He says to me I can't talk about that. But I did get others to talk about a top secret actual assassination unit called the stalker team which was authorized by George Bush right after nine eleven and they went out guys in NATO partner countries. That's interesting. I wondered did you ever talk to him about the JFK assassination. I'm just curious I, but I talked to the secret service about the day FK's nation, and that was interesting, and I write about that little bit in the book because one of the characters I profile as well as Billy wall. What they nother green beret in Vietnam. Because of course, they all start out or most of them start out as you know, military, guys and loom or letty is the kind of parallel story to Billy. Well, he ended up becoming the nineteenth director of the secret service, and it was a real privilege for me to get him to talk to me because no. Secret service director has gone on the record before. And he was very cool about not sharing, you know, classified tactics of what is secret service does to keep our president for being estimated? But he gave me this incredible narrative sense of super secret element of egret service, which most people don't know about which he was on which was called which is called. Counter assault team. And that is a secret unit of paramilitary operators that should the president of the United States and has ever since Reagan was almost killed by an assassin and they follow the president everywhere. And they're not their job. I'm like secret service agents who are designed to like put their body in front of the president and protect them. The cat team members are basically they're ready on a moment's notice to go full out paramilitary assault on any any attack. That would come at the president. Fire. I the name of your book is called surprise, kill vanish. Tell me about those three words at the top. Comes from the actual model of the the the organization that existed before the CIA was called the O S S the offices strategic services, and that was the unit in World War Two that was assigned to heal Nazis. How are they gonna kill them with a knife if need be and that's where that's the rate at night. I talked about before came from a lot of guys get their own personalized nice. And it comes from the fact that the O S Jedburg that went after Nazis in World War Two jumped out of aeroplanes, and did whatever they had to do to take on these Nazis. We're their motto was surprised kill then. Interesting. Well, it's great work. Now, the CIA with these rogue operations, do you think then and you mentioned assassin squads just how prevalent are they do they go into all these countries? I mean are the Iran right now. What what what are they doing a really really interesting thing to think about because for example, Billy wall who spoke about he was on what was called the Iran desk. Okay. So he was part of the unit that was that was in charge of Iran, and yet I write about operations that he didn't, you know, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia southeast Asia. He operated in sixty two countries around the world, but guess what one country that he never spoke of operating in Iran interesting, but he was on the Iran desk. So you have to ask well does that mean, you can't tell me about your operations in Iran, or does that mean the CIA it's so dangerous for a CIA person in Iran that they don't go there? I don't know. That's a mystery. And what about past president, you mentioned George Bush, and we're talking about junior we're talking. Yes, we're talking about George Bush war on terror Bush. But here's the interesting thing. I mean, all of the president's the earlier presents for sure had, you know, assassination programs up until the church committee hearings after Vietnam that were so famous where allegedly as as nation with outlawed which it wasn't which I write about in the book. But you know, they called it. These euphemisms, for example, Eisenhower called his health alteration committee. Okay. And they're declassified documents from the national archives that I looked at and that I report on JFK called his nation program executive action. Reagan called his preemptive neutralization. Bush. We talked about his was called lethal direct action and Obama's 'cause remember this is not just a conservative president decision. Obama actually had the biggest assassination program to date from what I was able to learn report and his was called targeted killing because that is what drone strikes really amounts to it is the same concept as what these operators do on the ground. Happened in the air. Were you in shock when you were talking to Billy wall? Shoko like with with some of the things he was saying. The most shocking. The most shocking situation that I learned about from Billy walk. How did you actually in Vietnam? And that was I mean, I know it seems like ancient history, but boy did this and I ride the whole story out in in in the book, but he was they were assigned to kill generals up. Do you remember back in the archives the mind their general shop than fear some later the North Vietnamese army? I mean, he was more powerful than him in many ways. And he was the top man that the defense department is the I wanted killed so wall was in the lead man on this mission. And I write about the whole mission. It was called Oscar eight because job was coming to a secret location on the hotel even shit drill in Laos, and we helicoptered in all these guys. And it was an absolute the SCO and the NBA shot down all the helicopters bringing this the CIA guys in wall. I was. In the air. He was higher up than helicopters. He was in charge of what was called forward air control. So he was looking at the whole mission from small Cessna. And he saw the whole thing happen. The guys get shot down. So to mmediately changes from kill generals up mission to a rescue our guys mission and one after the next after the next aircraft get shot down trying to get those guys out, and it's just a dollar Shing. Unbelievable. I just wonder how many places the Rin Addy. I'm you know, the North Korea. Are they, you know, still in Iraq, our guest there still enough ghanistan where are they have? I would guess Well, I I know that the CIA paramilitaries are in eighty four countries at least eighty four eighty four right that they're actively working. But, you know, my guess is I I right? I mean, it's it's a stunning how big their reaches and yet how small their footprint is right. Because you ask that question. Very important. How big are they this is not even though I say paramilitary army. We're we're talking about, you know, a unit of twelve guy. Trained killers. They are trained to not just kill, but they are trained to infiltrate you know, to get into the target in a manner. If it means jumping out of the aircraft in what's called a halo high altitude low opening, so they jump out of the aircraft. They free fall terminal velocity down really low. So that no radar picks up their parachute. Ripcord at like a thousand feet pray. Pray to God they land safely. And they land, and then they do what they have to do. And then they act Phil trait in another manner that is still all for the goal of plausible deniability. Now, here's here's the plus in the minus of let's say, for example, George Bush's authorization of his assassin team, which I think Dick Cheney been behind, quite frankly. But on one hand, you want to get these terrorists and kill them and be done with these people on the other hand, they haven't been convicted yet if anything these talking about the nine eleven terrorist, but those in these other countries that they sent these assassins through do whatever they were going to do to them. So they're literally murdering or killing citizens of other countries who haven't committed the crime yet, which takes us to that moral conundrum. I spoke at the very beginning. Right. Well, think about this. What you just said. Because you said they haven't yet done. So I mean is it. Okay. If you break in on them, and you see a guy making a bomb hasn't detonated yet as a planet yet. But he's making it, and where do you draw the line where do you draw that line? Because I interviewed the CIA lawyer John Rizzo who wrote many of these presidential findings they're called because every one of these operations, by the way is signed off on by the president. These are not rogue we may think of them as rogue. But this is not see I thing. Okay. Let's go do this. Don't tell the president. The president must sign off in them in the way. I know that or believe that I know that to be true is that the times that they were not happening was when Clinton was in office because he was the only president speak of besides harder. Who did know none of would not sign off on eighty operation any of the direct legal action operation..

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"office strategic services" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

NewsRadio KFBK

13:35 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK

"Back to coast to coast, George Noory with you along with any Jacobson with her latest works apprise kill vanish any as we get into this. Where can people get your book? You know, bookstores everywhere and good old Amazon Barnes and noble online. Independent booksellers everywhere they sell now we were talking before the break about how many members might be involved in these paramilitary units. Are they involved with the with the military are they working on their own? What kind of cooperation is there between the military branches and the CIA great question. So where we left off with a hundred fifteen special operators from the CIA went into Afghanistan there. They were all mandated by two thousand Bessul forces operators from the Pentagon. So those were seals delta green berets. So that gives you an idea like how they mix. Now, the paramilitary operations are also sometimes run by what's called a singleton, meaning one guy, and that was mostly the case with my main character guiding Billy while he's now eighty nine. As I was telling you he was in Afghanistan when he was seventy two he was going after Qaddafi when he was eighty two. He did most of his missions alone. He took the first surveillance photographs of Obama bin Laden in nineteen ninety two. Yeah. Did he get Qaddafi was was he one of those responsible for the uprising? He wasn't. He went after he was actually looking for according to him. He was looking for generals who he had worked with in the seventies for the CIA that was his first mission after Vietnam. And I write this whole story out into prize kill vanish, and it's just a stunning to realize how it works. And also how guy like Billy wall has worked across six decades for the agency and how loyal they are to a guy like him. And here's why is he never screwed up. What was he to do Hetty found those generals? Kill him. He would that you know, that that's where it gets a little vague, George. You know, I ask those questions, and you know, I can't talk about that. I mean, there's a lot of you know, I can't talk about that in the book. And then when I get to the end, I don't wanna I don't wanna ruin my ending. But I'm gonna tease it here. Right. Yeah. Talks about a. He says to me I can't talk about that. But I did get others to talk about a top secret actual assassination unit called the stalker team which was authorized by George Bush right after nine eleven and they went out guys in NATO partner countries. That's interesting. I wonder did you ever talk to him about the JFK assassination. I'm just curious. I did not. But I talked to the service about the JFK's nation. And that was interesting, and I write about that little bit in the book because one of the characters I profile as well as Billy wall. What they nother green beret in Vietnam. Because of course, they all start out or most of them start out as you know, military, guys and loom or lead. He is the kind of parallel story to Billy. Well, he ended up becoming the nineteenth director of the secret service, and it was a real privilege for me to get him to talk to me because no secret service director has gone on the record before. And he. Was very cool about not sharing, you know, classified tactics of what the secret service does to keep our president for being tasked mated. But he gave me this incredible narrative sense of secret element of secret service, which most people don't know about which he was on which was called which is called counter assault team. And that is a secret unit of paramilitary operators shadows, the president of the United States and has ever since Reagan was almost killed by assassin and they follow the president everywhere. And they're not their job. I'm like the secret service agents who are designed to like put their body in front of the president and protect him. The cat team members are basically they're ready on a moment's notice to go full out paramilitary assault on any any attack. That would come at the president any fire. I. The name of your book is called surprise, kill vanish. Tell me about those three words at the top. Comes from the actual motto of the yet, the the organization that existed before the CIA was called the OS the offices strategic services, and that was the unit in World War Two that was assigned to kill Nazis. Our they gonna kill them with a knife if need be, and that's that's the rate at night. I talked about before came from a lot of guys get their own personalized nice. And it comes from the fact that the OS Jedburg that went after Nazis in World War Two jumped out of aeroplanes, and did whatever they had to do to take these Nazis. Were there Motta was surprised kill then? Interesting. Well, it's great work. Now, the CIA with these rogue operations. Do you think then and you mentioned assassin squads just how prevalent are they do they go into all these countries are the Iran right now. What what what are they doing? That is a really really interesting thing to think about because for example, Billy will spoke about he was on what was called the Iran desk. Okay. So he was part of the unit. That was that was in charge of Iran, and yet I write about operations that he did, you know, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia southeast Asia. He operated in sixty two countries around the world, but guess what one country that he never spoke of operating in Iran interesting on the Iran desk. So you have to ask well does that mean, you can't tell me about your operations in Iran, or does that mean, he I it's so dangerous for CIA person in Iran that they don't go there? I don't know. That's a mystery. And what about past president, you mentioned, George Bush, and we're talking about junior, we're talk. Yes, we're talking about George Bush war on terror Bush. But here's the interesting thing. I mean, all of the president's the earlier presents for sure had, you know, assassination programs up until the church committee airings after Vietnam that were so famous where allegedly is assoiation with outlawed which it wasn't which I write about in the book, but you know, they called it these net euphemisms, for example, Eisenhower called his the health alteration committee Nater declassified documents from the national archives that I looked at in that I report on JFK called his nation program executive action. Reagan called his preemptive neutralization. Bush. We talked about his was called lethal direct action and Obama's 'cause remember this is not just a conservative president decision. Obama actually had the biggest assassination program to date from what I was able to learn report and his was called targeted killing because that is what drone strikes really amounts to it is the same concept as what these operators do on the ground. Happened in the air more you in shock when you were talking to Billy wall. Shock. How like with some of the things he was saying. The most shocking. The most shocking situation that I learned about from Billy walk. How did you actually in Vietnam? And that was I mean, I know it seems like agent history. But boy did this and I ride the whole story out in in the book, but he was they were assigned to kill generals up. Do you remember back in the archives in the mind their general shop than fearsome leader of the northeastern AMIS army? I mean, he was more powerful than men in many ways. And he was the top man that the defense department's wanted killed so wall was in the lead man on this mission. And I write about the whole mission. It was called Oscar eight because job was coming to a secret location on the Houghton drill in Laos. And we helicoptered in all these guys. And it was an absolute the Lasko and the NBA shot down all the helicopters bringing this the CIA guys in wall was. Is in the air. He was higher up than helicopters. He was in charge of what was called forward air control. So he was looking at the whole mission from a small Cessna. And he saw the whole thing happen. The guys get shot down. So it immediately changes from kill generals op mission to a rescue our guys mission and one after the next after the next aircraft get shot down trying to get those guys out, and it's just a dollar. Shing. Unbelievable. Are just wonder how many places the Rin Andy? I'm you know, they in North Korea. Are they you know, still in Iraq? Our guess they're still an Afghanistan. Where are they? I have. I would guess will. I I know that the paramilitaries are in eighty four countries at least eighty four eighty four right that they're actively working. But, you know, my guess is I I right? I mean, it's it's a stonning how big their reaches and yet how small their footprint is right. Because you ask that question. Very important. How big they this is not even though it's a paramilitary armies. We're we're talking about, you know, a unit of twelve guys trained killers. They are trained to not just kill. But they are trained to infiltrate to get into the target in a manner. If it means jumping out of the aircraft in what's called a halo high altitude low opening, so they jump out of the aircraft. They free fall terminal velocity down really low. So that no radar picks up their parachute. Whole the Ripcord at like a thousand feet and pray pray to God. They land safely. Then they land. And then they do what they have to do. And then they act Ville trait in another manner that is stealthy all the goal of plausible deniability. Now, here's here's the plus in the minus of let's say, for example, George Bush's authorization of his assassin team, which I think Dick Cheney been behind, quite frankly. But on one hand, you want to get these terrorists and kill them and be done with these people on the other hand, they haven't been convicted yet if anything these on talking about the nine eleven terrorist, but those in these other countries that they send these assassins to do whatever they were gonna do to them. So they're literally murdering or killing citizens of other countries who haven't committed the crime yet, which takes us to that moral conundrum. I spoke of in the very beginning. Right. Well, think about this. What you just said. Because you said they haven't yet done. So I mean is it. Okay. If you break in on them, and you see a guy making a bomb hasn't detonated yet has a planet yet. But he's making it, and where do you draw the line where do you draw that line? I will tell you interviewed the CIA lawyer John Rizzo who will many of the presidential finding that's they're called because every one of these operations, by the way is signed off on by the president. He's not rogue. We may think of them as rogue. But this is not see I okay, let's go do this. Don't tell the president. The president must sign off on them in the way. I know that I believe that. I know that to be true is that the times that they were not happening. When Clinton was in office because he was the only president speak of besides harder. Who did know none of would not sign off on eighty operation any of the direct legal action operation. So your question about new, you know, preemptive. That's what Reagan called he called it preemptive neutralization and when Bush right after nine eleven. Signed off on this. What's called a memorandum of notification to allow these teams to go out and preemptively?.

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"office strategic services" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

13:36 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you along with Anne Jacobson with her latest works surprise, kill vanish any as we get into this. Where can people get your book? You know, bookstores everywhere and good old Amazon Barnes and noble online. Independent booksellers everywhere they sell now we were talking before the break about how many members might be involved in these paramilitary units. Are they involved with the with the military are they working on their own? What kind of cooperation is there between the military branches and the CIA great questions? So where we left off with a hundred fifteen special operators from the CIA went into Afghanistan there. They were all mended by two thousand special forces operators from the Pentagon. So those were seals delta green berets. So that gives you an idea like how they mic now, the paramilitary operations are also sometimes run by what's called a singleton, meaning one guy, and that was mostly the case with my main character guy named Billy wall. He's now eighty nine. As I was telling you he was in Afghanistan when he was seventy two he was going after Qaddafi when he was eighty two. Yeah. He did most of his missions alone. He took the first surveillance photographs of Obama bin Laden in nineteen ninety two. Did he get Qaddafi was was he one of those responsible for the uprising? He wasn't. He went after he was actually looking for according to him. He was looking for Fidelity's generals who he had worked with in the seventies for the CIA that was his first mission after Vietnam. And I write this whole story out into prize kill vanish, and it's just a staunching to realize how it works. And also how guy like Billy wall has worked across six decades for the agency and how loyal they are to a guy like him. And here's why is he never screwed up. What was he to do Hetty found those generals? Kill them bomb. He would that you know, that that's where it gets a little vague, George. You know, I ask those questions, and you know, I can't talk about that. I mean, there's a lot of you know, I can't talk about that in the book. And then when I get to the end, I don't wanna I don't wanna ruin my ending. But I'm gonna tease it here. Right. Yeah. Talks about a team. He says to me I can't talk about that. But I did get others to talk about a top secret actual assassination unit called the stalker team which was authorized by George Bush right after nine eleven and they went out guys in NATO partner countries. That's interesting. I wondered did you ever talk to him about the JFK assassination. I'm just curious I, but I talked to the secret service about the JFK's assassination. And that was interesting, and I write about that little bit in the book because one of the characters I profile as well as Billy wall was they none other green beret in Vietnam. Because of course, they all start out or most of them start out as you know, military, guys and loom or lead. He is the kind of parallel story to Billy. Well, he ended up becoming the nineteenth director of the secret service, and it was a real privilege for me to get him to talk to me because no secrets. Service director has gone on the record before. And he was very cool about not sharing, you know, classified tactics of what is secret service does to keep our president for being fascinated, but he gave me this incredible narrative sense of super secret element of secret service, which most people don't know about which he was on which was called which is called. Counter assault team. And that is a secret unit of paramilitary operators that shadows, the president of the United States and has ever since Reagan was almost killed by Vasan and they follow the president everywhere. And they're not their job. I'm like secret service agents who are designed to like put their body in front of the president and protect him. The cat team members are basically they're ready on a moment's notice to go full out paramilitary assault on any any attack. That would come at the president any fire. I the name of your book is called surprise, kill vanish. Tell me about those three words at the top. Comes from the actual motto of this yet, the the organization that existed before the CIA was called the OS the offices strategic services, and that was the unit in World War Two that was assigned to kill Nazis. Our they gonna kill them with a knife if need be, and that's that's the rate at night. I talked to you about before came from a lot of guys get their own personalized nice. And it comes from the fact that the OS has Jedburg that went after Nazis in World War Two jumped out of aeroplanes, and did whatever they had to do to take on these Nazis. We're there motto was surprised kill then. Interesting. Well, it's great work. Now, the CIA with these rogue operations, do you think then and you mentioned assassin squads just how prevalent are they do they go into all these countries? I mean are the Iran right now. What what what are they doing a really really interesting thing to think about because for example, Billy will who we spoke about he was on what was called the Iran desk. Okay. So he was part of the unit that was that was in charge of Iran, and yet I write about operations that he did, you know, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia southeast Asia. He operated in sixty two countries around the world, but guess what one country that he never spoke of operating in Iran interesting on the Iran desk. So you have to ask well does that mean, you can't tell me about your operations in Iran, or does that mean the CIA? It's so dangerous for a CIA person in Iran that they don't go there. I don't know. That's a mystery. And what about past president, you mentioned, George Bush, and we're talking about junior, we're talk. Yes, we're talking about George Bush war on terror Bush. But here's the interesting thing. I mean, all of the president's the earlier presents for sure had, you know, assassination programs up until the church committee hearings after Vietnam that were so famous where allegedly assassination with outlawed which it wasn't which I write about in the book. But you know, they called it these ver- that use them, for example, Eisenhower called his the health alteration committee. Okay. And either declassified documents from the national archives that I looked at in that I report on JFK called his nation program executive action. Reagan called his preemptive neutralization. Bush. We talked about his called lethal direct action and Obama's 'cause remember this is not just a conservative president decision. Obama actually had the biggest assassination program to date from what I was able to learn report and his was called targeted killing because that is what drone strikes really amounts to it is the same concept as what these operators do on the ground. Were you in shock when you were talking to Billy wall? Shaw. Cow like with some of the things he was saying. The most shocking. The most shocking situation that I learned about from Billy wa how did do actually in Vietnam. And that was I mean, I know it seems like agent history. But boy did this and I ride the whole story out in in the book, but he was they were assigned to kill general shop, do you remember back in the archives in the mind their general shop than fear some later of the North Vietnamese army? I mean, he was more powerful than men in many ways. And he was the top man that the defense department's. He I wanted killed so wall was in the lead man on this mission. And I write about the whole mission. It was called Oscar eight because shop was coming to a secret location on the Houghton shit drill in Laos, and we helicoptered in all these guys. And it was an absolute the Lasko and the NBA shot down all the helicopters bringing this the CIA guys in wall was. Is in the air. He was higher up than helicopters. He was in charge of what was called forward air control. So he was looking at the whole mission from small Cessna. And he saw the whole thing happen. The guys get shot down. So immediately changes from kill general rob mission to a rescue our guys mission and one after the next after the next aircraft get shot down trying to get those guys out. And it's just uh polishing. Unbelievable. I just wonder how many places the Rin Andy. I'm you know, the North Korea. Are they you know, still in Iraq our guest, they're still in Afghanistan. Where are they? I would get will. I I know that the paramilitaries are in eighty four countries at least eighty four eighty four right that they're actively working. But, you know, my guess is I I right? I mean, it's it's a staunching how big their reaches and yet how small their footprint is right. Because you ask that question. Very important. How big are they this is not even though it's paramilitary armies. We're we're talking about, you know, a unit of twelve guy. Trained killers. They are trained to not just kill, but they are trained to infiltrate you know, to get into the target in a manner. If it means jumping out of the aircraft in what's called a halo high altitude low opening, so they jump out of the aircraft. They free fall terminal velocity down really low. So that no radar picks up their parachute whole the Ripcord like a thousand feet. Pray. Pray to God. They land safely. Then they land. And then they do what they have to do. And then they act Ville trait in another manner that is stealthy all the goal of plausible deniability. Now, here's here's the plus in the minus of let's say, for example, George Bush's authorization of his assassin team, which I think Dick Cheney been behind, quite frankly. But on one hand, you want to get these terrorists and kill them and be done with these people on the other hand, they haven't been convicted yet if anything these on talking about the nine eleven terrorist, but those in these other countries that they sent these assassins to do whatever they were going to do to them. So they're literally murdering or killing citizens of other countries who haven't committed the crime yet, which takes us to that moral conundrum. I spoke at the very beginning. Right. Well, think about this. What you just said. George because you said they haven't yet done. So I mean is it. Okay. If you break in on them, and you see a guy making a bomb hasn't detonated yet hasn't planted it yet, but he's making it, and where do you draw the line where do you draw that line? Because I interviewed the CIA lawyer John Rizzo who wrote many of these presidential findings they're called because every one of these operations, by the way is find off on by the president. These are not rogue we may think of them as rogue. But this is not the CIA thing. Okay. Let's go do this. Don't tell the president. The president must sign off on them in the way. I know that I believe that. I know that to be true is that the times that they were not happening was when Clinton was in office because he was the only president speak of besides harder. Who did know none of would not sign off on any of these operation any of the direct legal action operation. So your question about new, you know, preemptive. That's what Reagan called he called it preemptive neutralization and when Bush right after nine eleven signed off on this. What's called a memorandum of notification who allow these teams to go out and preemptively.

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"office strategic services" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

13:35 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"Welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you along with any Jacobson with her latest works apprise kill vanish any as we get into this. Where can people get your book? You know, bookstores everywhere and good old Amazon Barnes and noble online. Independent booksellers everywhere. They sell Uber. Now, we were talking before the break about how many members might be involved in these paramilitary units. Are they involved with the with the military are they working on their own? What kind of cooperation is there between the military branches and the CIA acquaint question. So where we left off with a hundred fifteen special operator for the CIA went into Afghantistan there. They were all mandated by two thousand special forces operators from the Pentagon. So those were seals delta green berets. So that gives you an idea like how they mic now, the paramilitary operations are also sometimes run by what's called a singleton, meaning one guy, and that was mostly the case with my main character guy named Billy while he's now eighty nine as I was telling you he was in Afghanistan when he was seventy two he was going. After Qaddafi when he was eighty two. Admissions alone. He took the first surveillance photographs of Ozama bin Laden in nineteen ninety two. Yeah. Did he get Qaddafi was was he one of those responsible for the uprising? He wasn't. He went after he was actually looking for according to him. He was looking for generals who he had worked with in the seventies for the CIA that was his first mission after Vietnam. And I write this whole story out into prize kill vanish, and it's just astonishing to realize how it worked. And also how guy like Billy wall has worked across six decades for the agency and how loyal they are to a guy like him. And here's why is he never screwed up. What was he to do Hetty found those generals? Kill him that he would that. You know that that's where it gets a little big, George. I ask those questions, and you know, I can't talk about that. I mean, there's a lot of you know, I can't talk about that in the book. And then when I get to the end, I don't wanna I don't wanna really my ending. But I'm gonna tease it here. Right. Talks about a team to me. I can't talk about that. But I did get others to talk about a top secret actual assassination unit called the stalker team which was authorized by George Bush right after nine eleven and they went up guys in NATO partner countries. That's interesting. I wonder did you ever talk to him about the JFK assassination. I'm just curious. I talked to the service about the nation. And that was interesting, and I write about that little bit in a book because one of the characters I profile as well as Billy wall was another green beret in Vietnam. Because of course, they all start out most of them start out as you know, military guys and Luma ready is the kind of parallel story to Billy. Well, he ended up becoming the nineteenth director of the secret service, and it was a real privilege for me to get him to talk to me because no secret service director has gone on the record before. And he was very coy about not. Sharing classified tactics of what the secret service does to keep our president from being fascinated, but he gave me this incredible narrative sense of super secret element of secret service, which most people don't know about was he was on which was called which is called. Assault team. And that is a secret unit of paramilitary operators that the president of the United States and has ever since Reagan was almost killed by fastened. And they follow the president everywhere. And they're not their job. I'm like the secret service agents who are designed to like put their body in front of the president and protect them. The cat team members are basically they're ready on a moment's notice to go full out paramilitary assault on any any attack. That would come at the president any like fire. I is the name of your book is called surprise kill vanished. Tell me about those three words at the top. Comes from actual model of the the the organization that existed before the CIA was called the O S the offices strategic services, and that was the unit in World War Two that was assigned to kill Nazis. Our they gonna kill them with a knife if need be and that's where that's rate at night. I talked about before came from a lot of guys get their own personalized nice. And it comes from the fact that the OS Jedburg that went after not eating World War Two jumped out of aeroplanes, and did whatever they had to do to take on these Nazis. We're their motto is supplies kill then. Interesting. Well, it's great work. Now, the CIA with these rogue operations. Do you think then in you mentioned assassin squads just how prevalent are they do they go into all these countries? I mean are they in Iran right now? What what what are they doing really really interesting thing to think about because for example, Billy wall who we spoke about he was on what was called the Iran desk. Okay. So he was part of the unit that was there was in charge of Iran, and yet I write about operations that he didn't, you know, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, south East Asia. Operated in sixty two countries around the world, but guess what one country that he never spoke of operating in Iran. Interesting. So you have to ask well does that mean, you can't tell me about your operations in Iran, or does that mean the CIA it's so dangerous for CIA person in Iran that they don't go there? I don't know. That's a mystery. And what about past president, you mentioned George Bush, and we're talking about junior we're talking. Yes, we're talking about George Bush war on terror Bush. But here's the interesting thing. I mean, all of the president's the earlier presents for sure had assassination programs up until the church committee hearings after Vietnam that were so famous where allegedly nation with outlawed which it wasn't which I write about in the book. But you know, they called it. These that use MS for example, Eisenhower called his health alteration committee. Okay. Declassified documents from the national archives that I looked at. And then I report on. JFK called his sedation program executive action Reagan called his preemptive neutralization Bush. We talked about his called lethal direct action and Obama his remember this is not just a conservative president decision. Obama actually had the biggest assassination program to date from what I was able to learn report and his was called targeted killing because that is what drone strikes really announced to it is the same concept as what these operators do on the ground. Happened in the air shock when you were talking to Billy wall. Cow. Like what some of the things he was saying. The most shocking. The most shocking situation that I learned about from Billy walk. How did do actually in Vietnam? And that was I mean, I know it seems like agent history. But boy did this and I ride the whole story out in in the book, but he was they were trying to kill generals up and do you remember back in the archives in the mind their generals op fearsome leader of the North Vietnamese army? I mean, he was more powerful than men in many ways. And he was the top man that the defense department wanted killed so wall was in the lead man on this mission. And I write about the whole mission. It was called Oscar eight because job was coming to a secret location on the ho- tieman shit drill in Laos, and we helicoptered in all these guys. And it was an absolute the Lasko and the NBA sought down all the helicopters bringing this the CIA guys in. Well, I was in the air. He was higher up than helicopters. He was in charge of what was called forward air control. He was looking at the whole mission from a small Cessna. They saw the whole thing happen. The guys get shot down. So immediately changes from kill generals op mission to a rescue our guys mission and one after the next after the next aircraft get shot down trying to get those guys out. And it's just unbelievable are just wonder how many places there in the North Korea. Are they you know, still in Iraq? I guess they're still in Afghanistan. Where are they? I would guess I know that the CIA paramilitaries are in eighty four countries at least ninety four eighty four right that they're actively working. But, you know, my guess is I I right? I mean, it's it's a staunching how big their reaches and yet how small their footprint is. Right. 'cause you ask that question. Very important. How big this is not even say paramilitary armies, we're we're talking about, you know, a unit of twelve guys trained killers. They are trained to not just kill, but they are trained to infiltrate you know, to get into the target in a manner. If it means jumping out of aircraft in what's called a halo high altitude low opening, so they jump out of the aircraft. They fall terminal velocity down really low. So that no radar picks up their parachute. Ripcord at like a thousand feet pray for pray to God. They land safely. And they land, and then they do what they have to do. And then they act trait in another manner that is stealthy all the goal of plausible deniability. Now, here's here's the plus in the minus of let's say, for example, George Bush's authorization of his assassin team, which I think Dick Cheney been behind, quite frankly. But on one hand, you want to get these terrorists and kill them and be done with these people on the other hand, they haven't been convicted yet of anything these on talking about the nine eleven terrorist. But those in these other countries that they sent these assassins through do whatever they were going to do to them. So they're literally murdering or killing citizens of other countries who haven't committed the crime yet. Which takes us to that moral conundrum. I spoke in the very beginning. Right. Well, think about this. What you just said George because you said they haven't yet done. So I mean is it. Okay. If you break in on them, and you see a guy making a bomb hasn't detonated yet as a planet yet. But he's making it. And where do you draw the line where do you draw that line? Because I interviewed the CIA lawyer John Reseau who wrote many of these presidential finding they're called because every one of these operations, by the way is signed off on by the president. These are not rogue we may think of them as rogue. But this is not the C I thing. Okay. Let's go do this. Don't tell the president. The president must sign off on them in the way. I know that are believed that I know that to be true is that the times that they were not happening was when Clinton was in office because he was the only president speak of besides harder. Who did know none of would not on the operation any of the direct lethal action operation. So your question about new, you know, preemptive. That's what Reagan called he called it preemptive neutralization and when Bush right after nine eleven. Signed off on this. What's called a memorandum of notification who allow these teams to go out and preemptively kill people that were deter, you know, the government decided needed to needed to die. And that's the key phrase the government decided, so what happens here at home, any if some groups of people decide to do the same thing, and they take the power to decide on their own who goes and who doesn't. Well, I mean, you mean if a rogue it's a citizenry did if they say, you know, let's start taking out we have all these homicides in Chicago. Let's start taking people right now without convicting them without courts. They just have a rogue group that goes out almost like vigilantes that go out and just do what they have to do because they think it's the right thing to do. And and then they would be they would be subject to being tried for murder. So here's another interesting can undermine even the military. Can't do this by the way, right in the same way that you just gave up scenario if the military cannot kill people outside of the war that we're fighting which is why here's a miss misnomer. Right. Most people think oh who killed bin Laden in Pakistan. Heels not accurate. That was AC..

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"office strategic services" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

12:54 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"More stimulating talk. Welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you along with any Jacobson with her latest works apprise kill vanish in any as we get into this. Where can people get your book? You know, bookstores everywhere and good old Amazon Barnes and noble online. Independent booksellers everywhere. They sell of Uber now we were talking before the break about how many members might be involved in these paramilitary units. Are they involved with the with the military are they working on their own? What kind of cooperation is there between the military branches? And the CIA equate question, so where we left off with a hundred fifteen special operators from the CIA went into Afghantistan there. They were all mended by two thousand special forces operators from the Pentagon, though, those were seals delta green berets. So that gives you an idea like how they mic now, the paramilitary operations are also sometimes run by what's called a singleton, meaning one guy, and that was mostly the case with my main character guiding Billy wall, he's now eighty nine as I was telling you he was in Afghanistan when he was seventy two he was going after Qaddafi when? He was eighty two. Needed most admissions alone. He took the first surveillance photographs of bin Laden in nineteen ninety two. Yeah. Did he get Qaddafi was was he one of those responsible for the uprising? He wasn't. He went after he was actually looking for according to him. He was looking for Fidelity's generals who he had worked with in the seventies for the CIA that was his first mission after Vietnam. And I write this whole story out into prize kill vanish, and it's just astonishing to realize how it works. And also how Billy wall has worked across six decades for the agency and how loyal they are to a guy like him. And here's why is he never screwed up. What was he do Hetty found those generals kill he would that you know, that that's where it gets a little vague, George. You know, I ask those questions, and it's you know, I can't talk about that. I mean, there's a lot of you know, I can't talk about that in the book. And then when I get to the end, I don't wanna I don't wanna ruin my end. But I'm gonna tease it here. Right. Talks about a team. He says to me I can't talk about that. But I did get others to talk about a top secret actual assassination unit called the stalker team which was authorized by George Bush right after nine eleven and they went up guys in NATO partner countries. That's interesting. I wondered did you ever talk to him about the JFK assassination. I'm just curious, but I talked to the secret service about the day of ks as nation, and that was interesting, and I write about that little bit in the book because one of the characters profile as well as Billy wall was another green beret in Vietnam. Because of course, they all start out or most of them start out as you know, military guys and Luma ready is the kind of parallel story to Billy. Well, he ended up becoming the nineteenth director of the secret service, and it was a real privilege for me to get him to talk to me because no secret service director has gone on the record before. And he was very cool about not sharing, you know. Classified tactics of what is secret service does to keep our president for being fascinated, but he gave me this incredible narrative sense of super secret element of a secret service, which most people don't know about which he was on which was called which is called cat. Counter assault team. And that is a secret unit of paramilitary operators shadows, the president of the United States and has ever since Reagan was almost killed by Zaphon and they follow the president everywhere. And they're not their job. I'm like the secret service agents who are designed to like put their body in front of the president and protect them. The cat team members are basically they're ready on a moment's notice to go full out paramilitary assault on any any attack. That would come at the president. Fire. I the name of your book is called surprise. Kill vanish told me about those three words at the top. Comes from the actual motto of the the the organization that existed before the CIA was called the O S S the offices strategic services, and that was the unit in World War Two that was assigned to kill Nazis. How are they gonna kill them with a knife if need be and that's where that's the rate at night. I talked about before came from a lot of CIA guys get their own personalized nice. And it comes from the fact that the O F S Jedburg that went after Nazis in World War Two jumped out of aeroplanes, and did whatever they have to do to take these Nazis. We're their motto was surprised kill then. Interesting. Well, it's great work. Now, the CIA with these rogue operations. Do you think then in you mentioned assassin squads just how prevalent are they do they go into all these countries are the Iran right now. What what what are they doing really really interesting thing to think about because for example, Billy wall who spoke about he was on. What was called the Aranda? Okay. So he was part of the unit that was that was in charge of Iran, and yet I write about operations that he didn't, you know, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia southeast Asia is he operated in sixty two countries around the world, but guess what one country that he never spoke of operating in Iran interesting on the Iran desk. So you have to ask well does that mean, you can't tell me about your operations in Iran, or does that mean the CIA it's so dangerous for CIA person in Iran that they don't go there? I don't know. That's a mystery. And what about past president, you mentioned, George Bush, and we're talking about junior. We're yes, we're talking about George Bush war on terror Bush. But here's the interesting thing. I mean, all of the president's the earlier presents for sure had, you know, assassination programs up until the church committee hearings after Vietnam that were so famous where allegedly assassination with outlawed which it wasn't which I write about in the book. But you know, they called these euphemisms, for example, Eisenhower called his the health alteration committee. Okay. Neater declassified documents from the national archives that I looked at in that I report on JFK called his nation program executive action. Reagan called his preemptive neutralization Bush. We talked about his was called lethal direct action and Obama's because remember this is not just a conservative presidents decision. Obama actually had the biggest assassination program to date from what I was able to learn report and his was called targeted killing because that is what drone strikes really amounts to it is the same concept as what these operators do on the ground. Were you in shock when you were talking to Billy wall? Give me shock. How like with some of the things he was saying. The most shocking. The most shocking situation that I learned about from Billy walk. How did you actually in Vietnam? And that was I mean, I know it seems like ancient history, but boy did this and I read the whole story out in in in the book, but he was they were assigned to kill general shop, and do you remember back in the archives in the mind their general job than fearsome leader of the North Vietnamese army? I mean, he was more powerful than men in many ways. And he was the top man that the defense department's the I wanted killed. So the lead man on this mission. And I write about the whole mission. It was called Oscar eight because y'all was coming to a secret location on the hotel even drill in Laos. And we helicoptered in all these guys, and it was an absolute the SCO and the NBA shot down all the helicopters bringing this the CIA guys in wall was in. In the air. He was higher up than helicopters. He was in charge of what was called forward air control. So he was looking at the whole mission from small Cessna. And he saw the whole thing happen. The guys get shot down. So immediately changes from kill generals up mission to a rescue our guys mission and one after the next after the next aircraft get shot down trying to get those guys out, and it's just a dollar. Shing. Unbelievable are just wonder how many places the Rin anti. I'm you know, the North Korea. Are they you know, still in Iraq our guest, they're still in Afghanistan. Where are they? I have. I would guess I know that the paramilitaries are in eighty four countries at least four eighty four right that they're actively working. But, you know, my guess is I I right? I mean, it's it's a staunching how big their reaches and yet how small their footprint is right. Because you ask that question. Very important. How big this is not even though it's paramilitary army. We're we're talking about, you know, a unit of twelve guys trained killers. They are trained to not just kill, but they are trained to infiltrate you know, to get into the target in a manner. If it means jumping out of the aircraft in what's called a halo high altitude low opening, so they jump out of the aircraft. They free fall terminal velocity down really low. So that no radar picks up their parachute. Whole the Ripcord at like a thousand feet. Pray. Pray to God they land safely. Then they land. And then they do what they have to do. And then they exfiltrated in another manner that is stealthy all for the goal of plausible deniability. Now, here's here's the plus in the minus of let's say, for example, George Bush's authorization of his assassin team, which I think Dick Cheney been behind on quite frankly. But on one hand, you want to get these terrorists and kill them and be done with these people on the other hand, they haven't been convicted of anything these non talking about the nine eleven terrorist. But those in these other countries that they sent these assassins to do whatever they were gonna do to them. So they're literally murdering or killing citizens of other countries who haven't committed the crime yet, which takes us to that moral conundrum. I spoke at the very beginning. Right bill. Think about this. What you just said. Because you said they haven't yet done. So I mean is it. Okay. If you break in on them, and you see a guy making a bomb hasn't detonated yet has a planet yet. But he's making it, and where do you draw the line? Do you draw that line? Because I interviewed the CIA lawyer John Rizzo who wrote many of these presidential findings they're called because every one of these operations, by the way is signed off on by the president. These are not rogue we may think of them as rogue. But this is not the CIA thing. Okay. Let's go do this. Don't tell the president. The president must sign off on them in the way. I know that are believed that I know that to be true is that the times that they were not happening was when Clinton was in office because he was the only president speak of besides harder. Who did know none of would not sign off on an idiot operation any of the direct legal action coverage. So your question about neutral, you know, preemptive. That's what Reagan called he called preemptive neutralization and when Bush right after nine eleven. Signed off on this. What's called a memorandum of notification to allow these teams to go out and preemptively?.

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"office strategic services" Discussed on KTRH

KTRH

13:35 min | 2 years ago

"office strategic services" Discussed on KTRH

"Hey, welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you along with Anne Jacobson with her latest works surprise kill vanishing any as we get into this. Where can people get your book? You know, bookstores everywhere and good old Amazon Barnes and noble online. Independent booksellers. Everywhere. They sell Uber. Now, we were talking before the break about how many members might be involved in these paramilitary units. Are they involved with the with the military are they working on their own? What kind of cooperation is there between the military branches and the CIA great question. So where we left off with a hundred fifteen special operators from the CIA went into Afghantistan there. They were all mended by Hugh thousand vessel forces operators from the Pentagon, though, those were seals delta green berets. So that gives you an idea like how they mix. Now, the paramilitary operations are also sometimes run by what's called a singleton, meaning one guy, and that was mostly the case with my main character abiding Billy wall. He's now eighty nine as I was telling you he was in Afghanistan when he was seventy two he was going after Qaddafi when he was eighty two. Needed most of his missions alone. He took the first surveillance photographs of Osama bin Laden in nineteen ninety two. Yeah. Did he get Qaddafi was was he one of those responsible for the uprising? He wasn't. He went after he was actually looking for according to him. He was looking for these generals who he had worked with in the seventies for the CIA that was his first mission after Vietnam. And I write this whole story out into prize kill vanish, and it's just a staunching to realize how it works. And also how guy like Billy wall has worked across six decades for the agency and how loyal they are to a guy like him. And here's why is he never screwed up. What was he to do heady found those generals? Kill him. He would that you know that. That's where it gets a little big, George. You know, I ask those questions, and you know, I can't talk about that. I mean, there's a lot of you know, I can't talk about that in the book. And then when I get to the end, I don't wanna I don't wanna ruin my ending. But I'm gonna tease it here. Right. Talks about a he he says to me, I can't talk about that. But I did get others to talk about a top secret actual assassination unit called the stalker team which was authorized by George Bush right after nine eleven and they went out guys in NATO partner countries. That's interesting. I wonder did you ever talk to him about the JFK assassination of just curious. I did not. But I talk to the secret service about the day of chaos nation. And that was interesting, and I write about that little bit in the book because one of the characters I profile as well as Billy wall was another green beret in Vietnam. Because of course, they all start out or most of them start out as you know, military, guys and loom or lead. He is the kind of parallel story to Billy. Well, he ended up becoming the nineteenth director of the secret service, and it was a real privilege for me to get him to talk to me because knows. Secret service director has gone on the record before. And he was very cool about not sharing classified tactics of what is secret service does keep our president from being assassinated. But he gave me incredible narrative fence of super secret element of secret service, which most people don't know about which he was on which was called which is called. Counter assault team. And that is a secret unit of paramilitary operators that shadows, the president of the United States and has ever since Reagan was almost killed by Vasan and they follow the president everywhere. And they're not their job. I'm like the secret service agents who are designed to like put their body in front of the president and protect him. The cat team members are basically they're ready on a moment's notice to go full out paramilitary assault on any any attack. That would come at the president any fire. I the name of your book is called surprise. Kill vanish told me about those three words at the top. Comes from the actual model of the the the organization that existed before the CIA was called the O s S the offices strategic services, and that was the unit in World War Two that was assigned to kill Nazis. How are they gonna kill them with a knife if need be and that's where that's rated night. I talked to you about before came from a lot of CIA guys get their own personalized knife. And it comes from the fact of the Jedburg that went after Nazis in World War Two jumped out of aeroplanes, and did whatever they had to do to take these Nazis were their motto was surprised kill then. Interesting. Well, it's great work. Now, the CIA with these role operations. Do you think then and you mentioned assassin squads just how prevalent are they do they go into all these countries are the Iran right now. What's what are they doing? That is a really really interesting thing to think about because Ford Billy wall who we spoke about he was on what was called the Iran desk. Okay. So he was part of the unit that was that was in charge of Iran, and yet I write about operations that he did, you know, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia south East Asia, he operated in sixty two countries around the world, but guess what one country that he never spoke of operating in Iran interesting, but he was on the Iran desk. So you have to ask well does that mean, you can't tell me about your operations in Iran, or does that mean the CIA? It's so dangerous for CIA person in Iran that they don't go there. I don't know. That's a mystery. And what about past president, you mentioned George Bush, and we're talking about junior we're talking. Yes, we're talking about George Bush war on terror Bush. But here's the interesting thing. I mean, all of the president's it the earlier presence for sure had, you know, assassination programs up until the church committee hearings after Vietnam that were so famous where allegedly vacination with outlawed what it wasn't which I write about in the book. But you know, they called it. These euphemisms, for example, Eisenhower called his the health alteration committee. Okay. And they're declassified documents from the national archives that I looked at that. I report on. JFK called his assignation program executive action. Reagan called his preemptive neutralization. Bush. We talked about his is called lethal direct action and Obama's 'cause remember this is not just a conservative president decision. Obama actually had the biggest assassination program to dates from what I was able to learn report and his was called targeted killing because that is what drone strikes really amounts to it is the same concept as what these operators do on the ground. Are you in shock when you were talking to Billy wall? Give me shock. How like with some of the things he was saying. The most shocking. The most shocking situation that I learned about from Billy wa how did you actually in Vietnam? And that was I mean, I know it seems like ancient history, but boy did this and I ride the whole story out in in in the book, but he was they were assigned to kill generals up. Do you remember back in the archives in the mind their general shop than fearsome leader of the North Vietnamese army? I mean, he was more powerful than men in many ways. And he was the top man that the defense department's the wanted killed so wall was in the lead man on this mission. And I write about the whole mission. It was called Oscar eight because job was coming to a secret location on the hotel even trail in Laos, and we helicoptered in all these guys. And it was an absolute the Lasko and the NBA shot down all the helicopters bringing this the CIA guys in wall was in. In the air. He was higher up than helicopters. He was in charge of what was called forward air control. So he was looking at the whole mission from a small Cessna. And he saw the whole thing happen. The guys get shot down. So immediately changes from kill general rob mission to a rescue our guys mission and one after the next after the next aircraft get shot down trying to get those guys out. And it's just a Shing unbelievable. Are just wonder how many places the Rin Andy? I'm you know, the North Korea. Are they you know, still in Iraq our guest, they're still in Afghanistan. Where are they? I have I would guess will. I I know that the CIA as paramilitaries are in eighty four countries at least four eighty four right that they're actively working in. But, you know, my guess is I I right? I mean, it's it's a staunching how big their reaches and yet how small their footprint is right. Because you have that question. Very important. How big this is not even though it's paramilitary army. We're we're talking about, you know, a unit of twelve guys. Trained killers. They are trained to not just kill, but they are trained to infiltrate you know, to get into the target in a manner. If it means jumping out of a aircraft in what's called a halo high altitude low opening, so they jump out of the aircraft. They free fall terminal velocity down really low. So that no radar picks up their parachute whole the Ripcord at like a thousand feet. Pray. Pray to God they land safely. Then they land. And then they do what they have to do. And then they exfiltrated in another manner that is stealthy all the goal of plausible deniability. Now. Here's here's the plus in the minus of let's say, for example, George Bush's authorization of his assassin team, which I think Dick Cheney being been behind, quite frankly. But on one hand, you want to get these terrorists and kill them and be done with these people on the other hand, they haven't been convicted yet if anything these talking about the nine eleven terrorist, those in these other countries that they sent these assassins to do whatever they were gonna do to them. So they're literally murdering or killing citizens of other countries who haven't committed the crime yet, which takes us to that moral conundrum. I spoke at the very beginning. Right. We'll think about this. What you just said. Because you said they haven't yet done. So I mean is it. Okay. If you break in on them, and you see a guy making a bomb hasn't detonated yet as a planet yet. But he's making it, and where do you draw the line where do you draw that line? Now, I will tell you interviewed the CIA lawyer John Rizzo who wrote many of these presidential findings they're called because every one of these operations, by the way is find off on by the president. These are not rogue we may think of them as rogue. But this is not the CI. Okay. Let's go do this. Don't tell the president. The president must sign off on them in the way. I know that I believe that. I know that to be true is that the time that they were not happening was when Clinton was in office because he was the only president speak of besides harder. Who did know none of would not sign off on any of these operations any of the direct legal action operation. So your question about new, you know, is preemptive. That's what Reagan called he called it preemptive neutralization and when Bush right after nine eleven. Signed off on this. What's called a memorandum of notification who allow these teams to go out and preemptively?.

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