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Ep. 55 - Becoming Justice Barrett
"The Supreme Court confirmation hearings have just ended on Capitol Hill, which means that Senator Cruz has got to go do his second job, which is to come on over to the studio with us this an extraordinarily consequential week. This could fundamentally reshape the balance of power on the Supreme Court and we're about to talk to a guy who sat through all twelve hours of the hearings. This is verdict with Ted. Cruz? Welcome back verdict with Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles senator it occurs to me as we sit here about to discuss these. Supreme Court confirmation hearings. We've got impeachment. We've had co vid quarantines. We have the Supreme Court confirmations with the possible exception of murder Hornets. You have been at the center of just about every major story of twenty twenty and made I don't know maybe you've been involved in murder Hornets to I don't know. Well I I will say this this podcast feels reminiscent of of the beginnings of verdict and and spending all day then in the impeachment trial now in in the judge Barrett confirmation hearings and and then recording this late in the evening although it's only what is it nine twenty, nine, thirty as compared to midnight or one in the morning. So we're were more humane than than we started, but it is. I look it's it's part of what this podcast is. All about is is is to is to try to bring folks inside the battles real time as they're playing out in Washington and that's what we're doing right now. I think in this case to senator, maybe some people were watching all of the impeachment hearings. I don't think anybody has been sitting through all twelve hours of the Supreme Court confirmation hearings and frankly I think a lot of people and I include myself in this to some degree don't even really know how this whole process plays out. So I want to get into the specific moments and how shaping the process, but I'd like to begin just by zooming out and and asking what was today, what is the timeline going to look like and is this judge going to be confirmed to the Supreme Court? So I think today was a very consequential day. Today we now know Judge Barrett is going to be just a spirit. today was the first big day of questioning. So so the way this is play played out. The president made his announcement a couple of weeks ago of Judge Barrett is the nominee We had a couple of weeks where she filled out. There's a whole elaborate questionnaire that vet a supreme court nominee has to fill out to the Senate that that requires them to turnover any writings they've had a speeches they've given their all these elaborate questions that any judicial nominee has to submit, and that takes a little bit of time to compile. and. Then the hearing started this week it started yesterday. So but yesterday was just opening statements. So everyone had a ten minute opening statement. And Judge Barrett had to sit there and listen to each of US talk for ten minutes and then. She gave her opening statement and it was a very brief. It was introductory and it was introducing her family. She had her kids there. So she introduced her husband and her kids she had she's got six brothers and sisters so she introduced them. that was yesterday day is when the questioning started and the way it work today as every senator got thirty minutes of questioning. So. It alternated Democrat Republican Democrat. Republican. Thirty minutes each and so judge Baird is they're just answering the questions and the reason i. Today as when we know that she's going to be confirmed. Is, because the Democrats couldn't lay a glove on her. I mean they. They really had there was no moment in the hearing where where they Even. Scored blood where where they even put nick in her I. Think she was a fabulous witness. she was calm. She was cool. She was collected. She had an has I think a very scholarly of judicial demeanor. She was unflappable and there were some moments where. She could have been forgiven for for flapping and she didn't. But I think every bit as revealing is the fact that they didn't let glove on her. Is for a lot of them. They didn't even really try. What I read today as is. The Democrats are basically given up that they. They know they don't have the votes. They know they're not gonNA stop or they don't have. Any substantive issue, and so they're going through the motions. But but it actually felt today like like more than a few of the Democratic senators were basically phoning it in they had. They had to fill their thirty minutes but but they didn't really believe. They were going to get anywhere in terms of stopping the nomination. On. Judge Moore. It was announced the nominee. You heard some what I felt were very. and politically ill advised attacks on her family and on her religion and the attacks didn't play very well, and fortunately we're not we're not really seeing any more of those I remember Dick Durbin now the number two Democrat in the Senate he came out and more or less said that all democrats could do with slow this thing down a little bit. But ultimately, they couldn't do anything to Stop Barrett on the court. So if they're not gonNA lob those attacks and the attacks they're lobbing aren't working, what are they doing? What was the line of questioning that the Democrats were pursuing? So there was an irony to derm pudding that that message out because the last time judge bear, it was up when she was nominated to the Court of Appeals Durban was one of the people who went after her faith and he asked her then this is three years ago She was an Orthodox Catholic Orthodox was the adjective he he used now I'm pretty sure that. She's not a member of the Greek Orthodox Russian Orthodox. Churches? So I'm not look you're Catholic what? What is an Orthodox Catholic other than beyond I guess from a Senate Democrat's perspective someone who actually believes the stuff I think that's what he meant by it but I think you hit the nail on the head she's not eastern Orthodox. She doesn't have one of those long beards she is Catholic and she's Orthodox meeting she believes what the Catholic Church believes. This would be as opposed to say a Heterodox Catholic such as I'm just throwing a name here. The Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden who says that he does not agree with the Church on. Certain. Issues. So I can understand Senator Durbin confusion you probably doesn't know very many Orthodox. Catholics. But as you say I, recall that attack did not play very well for Senator Durbin three years ago and I think he probably wanted to caution his colleagues now. Well, Feinstein infamously said with regard to judge Barrett three years ago the Dogma lives loudly in this one and and it was a moment of really I I think contempt and religious bigotry that that that backfired as I'm glad it did I'm glad the reaction was so strong. So somebody sent out the marching orders to the Democrats. Don't go down the road of the attacks on faith again and. Listen whatever reason the Democrats when they get talking points they stick to them. And so it was ordered you're not allowed to attack her on this and they all stayed away from it. So that's good that I think they were nervous about the election coming up in a couple of weeks and they didn't want to tick off. Catholic. Voters or people of faith because it's it's. Persecuting someone you know maintaining the position that no one of faith can be a judge is a pretty extreme position and it's also unconstitutional the constitution explicitly, the text of the Constitution prohibits a religious test for anyone serving in public office. Given that what's interesting is they didn't even really decide. To go after her record to go after anything. The principle talking points that the Democrats are emphasizing. Is attacking the president that they're just using this to say trump trump bad orangemen bad. And it's all about obamacare. It's all about obamacare and their argument is. that. If Judge Meredith confirmed the Supreme Court will strike down. Obamacare. And gazillion people will be denied healthcare and people with preexisting conditions will be denied healthcare and they're basically are making. It's it's. You gotta be impressed at the discipline that virtually every Democrat says that almost word for word I mean they read from their talking points. And the arguments they're making are not. Judicial arguments they're not actually arguments. It's not the Supreme Court job to decide them. Listen. Every senator agrees we're going to protect preexisting conditions. Every Republican agrees with that. Every Democrat agrees with that. now, their disagreements on how you protect preexisting conditions and and. I think obamacare has been a trainwreck. It's driven premiums through the roof and it's very unpopular but that is a policy question for Congress to debate. That's not the court is not going to decide what's the best. System of healthcare and so one of the main general election arguments the Democrats are mounting is this pre existing conditions attack and it was striking. A number of the Democrats they all but ignored judge Barrett, they just had their talking points. Trump hates you and wants everyone to die and it. An any judge Barrett just kind of sat there and smiled while while i. mean you know that was not? Directed to her and her fitness and and and record serve on the court. I thought I thought. It was interesting how half-hearted they were in going after they barely tried. One the healthcare point of speaking to a fairly prominent Democrat operative during the midterms a couple years ago, and this operative told me that basically the only winning issue for Democrats with healthcare and not obamacare by the way just sort of broad healthcare reform healthcare protections, right because the promises on the campaign trail always, we're going to give you a lot. Of Free stuff and it's GONNA make everybody healthier and better. So they keep hammering that home. It's obviously much less contentious than say abortion or or going after somebody's faith or something to that effect. Well, you know in two thousand, eighteen, Chuck Schumer dropped several several million dollars, attack ads against me in the closing week my reelection campaign and it was all. Pre existing conditions. It was Ted once takeaway coverage preexisting conditions. Now, we immediately pivoted hit him back and said now we're GONNA protect preexisting conditions and you've driven costs through the roof and people can't afford healthcare and and it I mean we have always been very data driven operation and polling showed that when we. counterpunched it completely neutralize the attack, but they put hundreds of millions of dollars behind attack nationally in two thousand eighteen and they're doing it again, this cycle well, I wanna get into those hundreds of millions of dollars because I agree with you watching I didn't watch hours of it today but watching what I did it did seem half hearted. Senator Feinstein went for Roe versus Wade that kind of flop I felt Kamala, Harris flopped. I just felt so many of the attacks week the only one that caught my interest was from your colleague, the Democrat, Sheldon Whitehouse, who launched an attack at the funding of the conservative judicial movement basically saying that dark money was behind the selection of judge it and then he didn't quite explain what that meant. But the conclusion of course was Barrett is an illegitimate nominee and there's no way we should confirm her where is all that dark money senator? So I I, it was a fairly extraordinary. So. So Sheldon talked for thirty minutes. He didn't ask judge bear to single question. So she just sat there while he put on and he had these little charts he had and it was interesting Ben Sasse later in the afternoon referred to it as a beautiful mind? Presentation. But. There's a reason for his presentation. So so White House has been pushing this for. A long time. There's a concerted effort to de-legitimize the court. and. That's part of his narrative is that he says that that secretive corporate billionaires are funding Republicans and the court is bought and paid for, and it's illegitimate and this is connected to Their whole effort to pack the court, this is all shelters objective is to de legitimize the Supreme Court. and. My questioning was immediately after his and that's usually the case in terms of the seniority. I I normally go between White House and club Char and so often. I'm off often have a chance to respond to White House, and then club Char is discovered. She gets lots alikes when she likes says something nasty about me, which is amy and I actually get along quite well but it makes it makes left really happy when she attacks me so she often will chime you're you're going to totally kill her credibility now that you say that she you and she get along very well, they're they're all the facebook likes. So White House I took the chance to really lay into his premise as. You know in the world of campaign finance reform. So this is something Sheldon says all the time but Democrats say, all the time big money is behind the Republicans. It just happens to be. There's a lot more big money behind Democrats that that if you want to know where the big money is. So if you look at for example in twenty sixteen. Of The top twenty super PAC donors in America. Do you know how many gave almost exclusively to Democrats of the top twenty fourteen gave almost exclusively to Democrats three gave about evenly Democrat Republican and only to the top twenty gave primarily to Republicans. Overwhelmingly by the way, the difference in dollars in that cycle twenty sixteen cycle. Republicans. Had One hundred and eighty nine million dollars spent supporting their elections Democrats had four, hundred, twenty, two, million dollars, and it was you know and and and you know Sheldon was bellowing these mysterious dark money donors they want something for it. They want something you don't give that kind of money for nothing I mean he was he was I was really tempted to. Jump in and be you know sheldon their decaffeinated brands on the market that are just tasted just just relax their son just. Deep. Ruts. But look if you look at this cycle. The fortune five hundred. Overwhelmingly Supporting Joe Biden over Donald Trump Wall Street overwhelmingly supporting Joe Biden. Over trump. The entire narrative. That it's big corporate interests. Supporting it's just not right. Would you what you've pointed to hear Senator? I think is key 'cause I couldn't I couldn't make sense of it I. I knew that he was putting on a big show but the whole time i. was watching I thought what is the point he's trying to make you know he had step one. Raise a lot of money step to. I Dunno step three judge on the corporate. Then often the judges disappointed the people who want to appoint them. Anyway I just couldn't get what the point was, but what you're saying is There's no point about the money. It's simply a broader performance to de-legitimize the court. Yes and that, and it's also to say the court is bought and paid for, but it's also. To justify a democratic power grab and a regulation of speech, and so I use my questioning to talk quite a bit about what the Democrats want to see from left-wing. Supreme Court justices as you know, my new book came out a couple of weeks ago. One vote away. How single seat on the Supreme Court Can Change History a New York Times bestseller I believe is that correct? It is and it was the number one bestseller in the country Amazon so I mean it really lot of people have been buying a lot of folks who listen to verdict. Thank you for that I appreciate that There's a chapter in the book on Citizens United and so my questioning today I wanted to explain. You know a lot of folks have heard of citizens united. They don't know what the case is about. They know Democrats hate it. And and so I explained citizens united was that it's hard about whether we can criticize politicians. And in particular so what happens citizens? United is a small nonprofit organization based in DC. They made a movie that was critical of Hillary, Clinton. And the Obama Justice Department went after them and wanted to be able to. Find Them for daring to Criticize Hillary Clinton and a movie. And the case went all the way to the Supreme Court and there was one exchange at the oral argument. Michael. That was really chilling. Where Justice Sam Alito asked the lawyer for the Obama Justice Department. Said? Under. Your theory of the case. Can the government ban books. And the Obama Justice Department lawyer said Yes yes. The government can ban books. If they're critical of a politician and ultimately the court. Struck that down five four? But there were four justices ready to say that the government can ban movies. and. The government can ban books and it's what I tried to do in in in the book one vote away as every chapter emphasizes look, we had four votes to say the governor never mind with the First Amendment says never mind free speech. The government has the power to ban movies or books if they don't like the content of that, that's really terrify and that's what White House and the other Democrats were trying to build the predicate for they want to be in charge. Frankly of silencing you silencing me of silencing anyone who says something they disagree with before we get to mailbag I do want to get to question I do have to ask this though senator. I. Know we had all been joking on the right that that the Democrats were going to pull a cavanaugh on judge Barrett that they were going to accuse her of sexual harassment or something like that, and then I tell me I'm crazy. Tell me I misheard it while I was watching today. Did Senator Maisy Hirono of Hawaii actually asked Judge Bear it. If she had sexually harassed anybody since you became illegal adult have you ever made unwanted requests for sexual favors committed any verbal or physical harassment or assault of a sexual nature now senator Hirono no have you ever faced discipline or entered into a settlement related to this kind of conduct now, senator? So. She did. I will admit it was one of the most incongruous moments like if you were to pick. Perhaps, the least likely person on planet earth to sexually harass someone at may well be judge Amy Coney Barrett. I will say in in. Maisy Hirano's defense I don't often come to Mazey's defense. She consistently asked that question. Of every nominee before her and she's done that since she got elected and so it's if you're nominated. To be a judge nominated to be in anything where maisy is going to be on the committee confirming you, she will ask that same question. And I actually respect that. She asked that I mean I think it? It certainly caused a lot of nominees to think twice about. Okay. How are they going to answer it? And Look I. Think it's a reasonable thing for the Senate to ask and and. I think it's fine that she applies it evenhandedly inconsistently I. Think it's actually a good thing that she applies to everyone. Well, a very fine kind word to say about Senator Ron I think we're all very pleased that Judge Barrett. was able to answer that very quickly. They moved on before we go. We've only got a couple of minutes left I do want to get to a couple of mailbag questions. This first one is from a I. Promise you. This is not my account I think it's a listener, a verdict. The account is verdict Sir Knowles Commander of the British Empire not me. What would happen if the Senate majority just refused to fill a supreme court vacancy for an extended period of time? So not a few months of a campaign, but let's say two years three years now look the seat would remain vacant and. You know it does seem we are moving in that direction where I am not sure we will see a Senate. Filling Supreme, court seats for the opposite parties president and it's just judicial nominees. If, for example, we started next year with Let's suppose trump won and Schumer took the Senate. I think the odds are pretty high that they might not even fill any court of Appeals judge seats. At a minimum if you had the Senate and the president of opposing parties there would have to be major compromise on the nominee. To. Get someone through because I think it has become such A. Partisan divide in terms of what people are looking for in in judges that I think both parties right now. Would be hesitant took although to be fair. Republicans have demonstrated a lot more willingness to confirm. Democratic nominees. then vice versa, I remember I think it was just as Kennedy but as recently as just as Kennedy was confirmed unanimously, Justice Ginsburg was confirmed overwhelmingly now it seems that the all of these are the are the biggest battleground, all looks and Soda May Orrin, Kagan. So both of Obama's appointees, there were a number of Republicans that voted to confirm them. So. There were many more Republicans I forgot I wasn't there for soda by Kagan but they're so Lindsey Graham voted to confirm both of them remember when he got. Lindsay. Got So mad at the cavenaugh thing. And any kind of blew up and had sort of the viral moment fact I told you when Lindsay did that my mom texted me and said, okay. I, love Lindsey Graham now. That was in the cavenaugh hearing and and it by the way my mom is is quite conservative and I, think it's fair to say. She did not previously love Lindsey and so his the passion with which he unloaded. But one of the things he said there is he said he voted to confirm both Sotomayor and Kagan. And the Democrats had none of that reciprocity for trump's nominees. One last question before we go, I know this is on a lot of people's minds because they keep asking me about it. This is from coal coal is a policy student in Wisconsin. What is the difference between originalism and textualist with hear these terms used him as if they are synonyms but they're not synonyms, right so they're not and the simplest difference is originalism refers to the Constitution and Tech Show Ism refers to statutes which are federal laws passed by Congress, but it's not the constitution. So let's unpack that a little bit but that's the simplest way to think about it. So originalism is, how do you go about understanding? the Lang, the terms of the Constitution and originalism is you should understand the terms based on the original public meaning not what the framers were thinking in their heads, not their subject the intentions. Correct. So let's take for example, the Second Amendment the right to keep and bear arms the operative language of the second. Amendment is the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. and. If you look at justice clears opinion and Heller, which is the landmark second amendment. Case? It has a great deal of analysis on what the phrase the right of the people was understood by the the. American people when when the Constitution and specifically the bill of rights, the Second Amendment was ratified. So in seventeen, ninety, one, what that, and the right of the people it turns out is a term of art. it's used elsewhere in in the bill of rights. It's used the right of the people peaceably to assemble so that. Clearly an individual right there, it's also you that's the first. Amendment the Fourth Amendment the right of the people to be secure from unreasonable searches and seizures. So one of the things Scalia walk through is the right of the people who is a term of art that always referred to an individual rights something that you as an individual can claim. and what keep and bear arms means not what? James Madison was thinking but what the American people when when it was ratified, understood it to be that's originalism. textualist is how you interpret a statute. A federal law and The principle is it's actually it has similarities in that it is again. the plane plane meaning of the language. Based on the public. What was understood what a? For informed observer would understood the language to be. Now there's some potential tension between the two and actually some of the very last questioning today was from. Senator, John Kennedy Kennedy a Republican who got into some of the tension and it's interesting. You know Kennedy's a very smart guy. He kind of plays sort of like a matlock country lawyer but he's He's got some real gray matter and and I think he was enjoying pushing judge Barrett. He was having he was he was like a a pig and slop. He was having so much fun kind of just pushing her on this. There is some couldn't arguable tension in that textual ISM. Avoids relying on what's called legislative history. And to understand that some of it is you have to go back to how court used to interpret statutes. If you go back to the nineteen sixties, the nineteen seventies. there were decisions that would start with lead. They basically ignore the language of the law they ignore the text of the statue and they'd say, well. Here was the legislative intent, here's what senator so and so said on the floor here he wanted to do. So that's what the statute trying to do or here's what this committee report said they were trying to do by the way. Committee reports are often written by staffers who are never elected and they'll put things in committee reports to influence litigation later on. So it was a particular way of sort of hiding something in there to influence a case. That's not the law, the United States, and so the the leading proponent of textualist him. As a means of interpreting federal statutes was justice clear and when he started really. The nineteen eighties started in the seventy S, but really the nineteen eighties and went onto the court of appeals in the nineteen nineties and two thousands on the Supreme Court. He refused to look at legislative history and he said it's illegitimate. It's not the law. I'M NOT GONNA look look at it. A majority of the Supreme Court doesn't agree with that methodology. But scully almost single changed how courts look at statutes now, everyone starts with texts now, I mean it's really an amazing view grab any statutory interpretation case from the sixties compared to today it's night and day were even the most lefty judges start with the texts they might disregard it but they at least. The analysis begins there and and so that. And I think that's a much. Fairer and more predictable way to decide cases. One of the things you want. In a nation of laws is is predictable outcomes. and. You know if you're a private citizens you're trying to determine what's the law say the easiest way to do it is go look at the text of the law, and if it's clear that if you know that's GonNa be the answer. You can behave accordingly if a judge. Might follow the language might not might set it aside if he or she disagrees that's much harder to predict. When you don't know what judge is going to be deciding some case in the future and and so that's that's textualist. In our remaining few seconds here speaking of predictable outcomes. Do you have any predictions for what will go on during the hearings tomorrow or is it anybody's guess? So tomorrow we're going to have another round of questions. It'll be shorter tomorrow it's only twenty minutes. So instead of thirty minute rounds. So the day presumably will end several hours earlier, which will be good. I think dams have run out of Steam I. Think they've lost. Lost a lot of their energy I will say by the way Michael, I've got a credit. You wanted the better moments in the hearing was when my colleague John Cornyn asked a judge Barrett said, you know what notes do you have in front of you and she had she didn't have any binders she had nothing she was reading from and she just held up a blank notepad and I will say, I'm impressed Michael that that she held up what was apparently a page from your book. was entirely blank and that's what she was relying on and let me ask you something Michael, how do I write a book on the? US frigging Supreme Court and she reads from Your Book and not my book here. Senator you've shared so much of your wisdom with me at some point. I'm more than happy to brief you on my book. I'm really honored You've you've played I think a more direct role in the history of this Supreme Court nomination and confirmation process i. am pleased that I can play a modest role as a judge Barrett raised what was clearly a page from my blank. Book we will look forward to tomorrow by the way out reprint. You might want that image on the cover of your book. Now for holding up the the blank page at a minimum that's gotta be like your online ad for the book I. Know I Wonder Does it count as a blurb if she didn't say anything? I'd have perhaps perhaps we'll add it to the next edition. Senator Best of luck tomorrow at the hearings until then I'm Michael Knowles this verdict with Ted Cruz.
Throw Another Log On The Jimmy Carter
"Hey this is dan done. The host of what we're drinking with dan done on the latest episode we can get deep dive into america's native spirit bourbon with my very special guest tiffany thesis that's right got the throwback whiskey we kelly hausky and it turned out to be everything. Young me could have possibly dreamed of and more. Did you see see some of my alcohol is actually getting a little low and you do have some bottles that are saying let down into my dressing room. I don't let a lot of men in my dressing. This is where i do all my podcasts dressing all completely innocent. I swear also in the latest episode details on how to win a pair of passes to the bourbon beyond mm festival in kentucky next month featuring fighters robert plant hall notes joan jett john fogerty and lots of other old people plus. I'll be there with tiffany tiffany thiessen for real. Come drink with us so check out what we're drinking. I'm dan dan reminding you. That drinking can cause memory loss or even worse memory loss it living says hello and welcome to the daily beans for tuesday august twentieth two thousand nineteen today. We have a trump barrick falling out. The cop who killed eric garner's fired bar removes. The bureau of prisons chief trump pays millions in legal fees planned parenthood withdraws from titled ten and the department of justice sides with trump over the house judiciary. I'm your host a._g. And with me today are julius johnson in jordan coburn. I knew i didn't mean the house judiciary. I met house financial services she that immediate correction so there you go corrections no emails necessary i don't. I don't know if anybody would catch that but i just did contra self. I wanted to make yourself before you wreck yourself i day before it was wicked. E wack welcome to the nineteen nineties by jamming on the one. How are you guys. I'm great. I recently played. I'm an hour of laser tag again and that was a lot of fun to self care. Yes it is honestly s._c. Laser tag <hes>. I am well. Oh i did some things i did. I gave them a civil facial today for the first time in my life yeah you cut your hair to all the blondes gone. Yes all the blonde has gone. Yes i also thank you. I learned i have very sensitive skin and should not give myself. Facials burned burned because you're wicked yeah. It was like if this burns or a tingling sensation is normal. If it starts i becoming uncomfortable. Take it off. That's how far weird threshold. I don't know what's comfortable and it's uncomfortable. Zero two hundred billion sensation it all is uncomfortable but then that's yeah as as a whole thing anyway i'm doing great my faces on fire still relevant damn uh-huh whoa faces on fine blakely song but not on sunday leon eric knowles had a great joke about them. He's like why is that guy always sound like he's ripping off a band oar. Who would arrive z. It's impressive to make a living off of that but he tolling nailed. It does sound like ripping off a band. He doesn't much better impersonation of him than i do. So that's pretty good chance brilliant ex marine veteran just all all around great comedian. He's often think he won. The world series of comedy didn't he. He did dope all right <hes> anyway new show that so we might as as well jump in with with our hot notes hot notes. Are you guys a little more serious note. After five long years there was finally a decision in the eric garner case in that decision as the n._y._p._d. Has fired the cop who killed eric garner for reference. The incident happened in twenty fourteen grand jury was impaneled and they decided i did not to indict <hes> the cop and then the obama justice department said it wanted to do an investigation into whether garner's civil rights were violated so they opened up that investigation but they he did not come to a decision before the two thousand sixteen election probably assuming hillary was gonna win and they can hand this off to clinton but by july two thousand eighteen after the trump administration nation hadn't done anything they'd made no determination or even didn't even acknowledge that they were continuing the civil rights investigation the n._y._p._d. Took matters into their own hands and started their own trial oil and then a little less than a year later. They determined that while garner didn't comply the cop applied an illegal choke hold <hes> and he had reason to know it was not oughta legal maneuver so they fired him <hes> good. I mean it's bittersweet because there's that quote that says justice delayed is justice denied <hes> but also being killed for this kind of thing has already justice and not enough absolutely <hes> but also better late than never i still believe in that but yeah very bitter sweet yeah and i think one of the problems is that the obama administration department of justice had asked the n._y._p._d. To not take action on this to to keep him on administrative leave until they concluded their civil rights investigation whether or not this violated civil rights yeah so that's kind of one of the things that was on hold forever. I wonder if the n._y._p._d. N._y._p._d. at that point wouldn't if there if there wasn't that civil rights investigation after the grand jury that was impaneled decided not to indict if they would have just fired cau- yes good point yeah ah. I still don't understand why the grand jury didn't bring charges but i you know we'll never see that. That's grand jury ever see you so i was just gonna say. Obama said he was upset about that. So would he be the one. I followed there. Eric holder who who would be the person that would be at fault for for it being delayed for the civil rights investigation which sounds like a good thing but then like you mentioned could have been part of the the problem. I don't know if obama instructed the department of justice to do a civil rights investigation. It seems like something obama would not do because he was very hands off on the department. <hes> you know despite what trump might tell you that eric holder had obama's back and would do investigations when he said but i really don't know <hes>. I don't know if there's a way to know we we could probably do a foia request. There might have already been a foia request might be something you could research if you wanted to see if they got the documents on the handling of the civil rights investigation under the obama administration yeah 'cause they kinda played out the clock. They're like around the clock his maybe not intentionally but the fact that trump was elected before they even got around to well they were assuming hillary would win an and probably could continue the investigation with whoever the new <hes> yeah attorney general would be that would be anyone knew or if they would have kept lecture holder whoever it was at the time yeah the lists of negatives that came from assuming hillary was going to win is continues to grow throw it on the pile one of those things that got caught up and fell through the cracks cracks because we all assumed hillary would win the election. Yeah definitely <hes> anyway yeah and i. I don't know how long civil rights investigation takes like because they started in twenty twenty fourteen or two thousand fifteen. They didn't even know they had those yeah they. I feel like you should have been able to wrap it up in the air but they didn't wrap up the n._y._p._d. Trial and a year and you know so i i honestly don't know so how long you can expect a civil rights trial to take or civil rights investigation because it's not a trial because they cleared him of criminal charges. The grant or the grand jury did that right well well. I guess we talk on the podcast a lot about how these things take a long time so even unfortunately in these cases. It sounds like they were probably going as fast as they could but it's so sad to five years later that's crazy and what was your quote. Delay justice is justice. Delayed is justice denied yeah see to me. Justice delayed is just how fucking justice works. Unfortunately we're all sitting here like odd dammit come on exactly they're saying they should change it from the justice system to the <hes> the just the legal system because there's not really any justice implied in the majority of cases yeah it does make me question though all the times that we hear cops being placed on administrative leave instead of just being fired if in every single scenario it's because they're waiting for the years that it takes for the investigation to finally be done. I think it probably has more to do with their union. Contracts right then they fired. They would get sued food yeah. You can't just fire a police officer. You have to go through their due. Due diligence based on what the union puts in place right but they're about to make that more complicated. I think in california right governor is the new yeah he's just making a law that says that the chinese have a better reason for using <hes> like excessive force which i guess isn't exactly firing them but more consequences yeah they're trying the problem is is that if you lighten up on the <hes> due process <hes> ah fourth amendment rights to each <hes> police officer or any federal worker or any not not the police officer federal anyone in a job. If you lighten up on those then that means they can easily fire you for wrong things and so that's why it takes so long <hes> is those are protections in place to protect people who deserve the protection. Unfortunately there are people woohoo that protection that don't deserve that protection but that is you know we might we want to err on the side of protection for people it doesn't always work out that way <hes> but then you know if you the lift those regulations and say you can fire a cop for whatever you want they might go out and fire every cop of color on the forest because some racist asshole comes in in and decides to do that and there's no protection for those exactly it makes us vulnerable on both sides. I will say that one of the craziest parts of this whole eric garner story is that his twenty seven year old daughter who it was you know fighting for for like his memory. I guess justice for him. She died at twenty seven years old from a heart attack after all this went down like you know in the last five years after it happened exactly yeah yes she. These things called diane's where every week or every two weeks. She and activists would just sit where he died. Inches raise awareness and heart attack. She had a heart attack and died yeah twenty seven years old. It blows my mind. Oh my gosh. There's a lot of crazy part of the story like i just there's a lot i hope they don't stop looking into it even though he's fired. There's still a lot that i think like the guy that filmed it. He's in jail right now. The guy that filmed eric garner do a whole series yeah absolutely on it and i say should do the foia roya get the get the information and find out what communications were within the justice department and both the obama and trump administration's there have been some sort of read and read out briefing into two from one administration to the other there should have been discussions between susan rice and and <hes> the attorney general and obama about what are we going to do with these cases that we thought we were going to be carried on and aren't you know there have been something there and i would really should be able to foil those things i know this is entirely different but the podcast you can do it out to you know we can file for your requests. Ooh any citizen can wow for your friday through the process every week. We just knew foia request. Yeah uh-huh i wanna i wanna nunez's farm request from agile for you but <hes> but i understand that what i'm about to say is an entirely different legal situation in while i believe it definitely contains inherent racism. It is nuanced different from eric gardner or <hes> but cereal the podcast. There's now calls for the supreme court to hear that case. There's definitely been mobility within the justice system as a result of that podcast <hes> so what you you were saying about someone doing a podcast about it. It's like it's crazy that that actually makes such a difference and the f. one hundred percent. They should if the public care about it then yeah yeah. That's why i said somebody should do a series right all this shit put it together do the investigative journalism and that can make a difference because you're right that sudden case then robbie chaudhry was is our first guest on muller she wrote daily beans fun fact for the day trivia and she was part of that and <hes> that you're right it makes it journalism lewisham makes a difference and i think that unfortunately right now with bill bar at the head of the department of justice. The weight of justice in this country is now on the shoulders of journalists lists <hes> more so than it is on the department of justice so yeah i mean on that note that i saw that where trump is saying the press. The enemy of the people and someone else said that truth is the enemy. The president is pretty much. What it is it is it is truth truth. Truth is enemy of trump is trump yeah by the transit of property of treason. Yes all right next here. We go in the wake of the epstein death. <hes> bar found another fall guy we know he moved the warden outright and he put those two sleepy guards on leave and now he has moved the bureau of prisons chief hugh hurwitz and he's replaced him with former prisons director <hes> as kathleen sawyer she. She's she did job before her wits has has been reassigned to direct the re entry program for the bureau will where he will work with bar to implement the new justice reform bill the first act so that's going to be that guy's job interesting interesting. They are just so shorthanded. Everyone's acting something. It's just a shit show yeah. They're just really dedicated and always to people not being in their jail cell anymore. I guess so so unless you deserve to get out because you're another marijuana offense to. I didn't mean that seriously strictly on the first step thing in the fact that i've seen he's no longer in his jail cell doubts totally. I appreciate that yeah. We worked it out our time for little schadenfreude. Do you know schadenfreude. Ah no i do not know what sean fraud is. Please tell me because i'm dying to know jamming tampa shameful gye so remember when the trump administration ministration lost its court battle trying to put a racist question on the census in line to the courts and it was to comply with the voting rights act <hes> when what it was really doing was disenfranchising sizing voters gerrymandering specifically to assist white republican voters scooby doo episode where they pull off the mask gerrymandering the whole time would would be able to gerrymander if i weren't few meddling journalists but yeah no this is totally true in real like we're not e g you know yes. We're partisan. Podcasts is brian. Williams likes to say just the one time that but it is true that they were literally doing this to gerrymander to help white republicans. Those are the words in the study the republican dude who wrote the study so it's not i'm not that's not just me being like yeah. These are not beings yeah this is this is what i think that's what it was and anyway buzzfeed us feed reports the <hes> this week that the trump administration could end up paying nearly fifteen million dollars in legal fees federal law gives the challenges the right to demand the losers cover the the winners legals bill legal bills and earlier this month the department of justice agreed to pay two point seven million dollars to the a._c._l._u. and others for the case in manhattan and now the winners of the two cases in maryland which is not trump <hes> are asking for seven million and four million respectively and the request for one hundred thousand in the california case is going to be paid in september. Wow so ha ha. That's pretty smart. They played that well. It's a gamble but it worked out. I don't i don't know he i guess but i don't know how much of gamble it was because that was a pretty open shut case citizenship question on the sesame but i thought that trump was gonna find a way to like. I don't know just break the system you know. I think that that paper was just such incriminating. Evidence wasn't used in this go to remember consider. That's why we're using it for. You know like sanctions on those as lawyers yeah. I just thought trump was going to really defy it so i didn't think that it you know i think anything when matter after that but i do still matter it's up to the supreme court and the supreme court even ndo. We've got you know a beer on there and what's his <hes> gorsuch. Even though we've got like these just super jerky erkki right-wing fuckers on the court they still have to follow the law and they know that and this one had no chance i don't think and so it was it was a gamble for the trump administration yeah knowing that they might might have to pay these legal bills of the challenges of this to try to put this set of citizenship question on there but i don't think trump cares about that kinda shit right. I get scared that what the supreme court because it's their interpretation the law right where it gets tricky and i'm just like getting but if it's a law that has precedent that's been decided over and over and over and over again which is how it's black kim white like the case <hes> you know where trump is trying to block <hes> them from getting the financial oversight committee from getting financial documents from czars or the finance committee from getting capital indonesia or the house ways and means committee from getting the taxes. These are black and white laws so there's there's not a lot of room for interpretation take for them. That's whereas for like a a roe v wade law. There's more gray area or you know these other kinds of civil rights laws and right shit like that. There's more gray the area ravi way be a president or is it the only precedent therefore it's like not a strong. It's been it's upheld. It's been upheld several times in court. Gordon has a history impressive could interpret it differently than these black and white effing law because you know what roe v wade is based on is it it's constitutional and so when you interpret the constitution it gets fuzzier than when you interpret a statute like you will you shall hand over taxes yeah so it just it gets fuzzy the further back you go with all the old white thanks so much as it gets further backing it really does. It's true for me in my life as well. I don't remember the twentieth very much in overtime to. I imagine the lesson is continuously learned that you have to be as specific as possible yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah but in any case he's going to shell out a shitload of money the and that is shot in freud and guys it may come as no surprise but trump is now backtracking on his fickle sort of support art for expanded background checks after the mouth the multiple mass shootings last week saying but we already have a lot of background checks. That's that's what he said. We already have a lot of back classic trump right yeah he n._r._a. Called him oh yeah of course yeah because he was like we talk about background checks just like the last time we we talk about bump stocks and our i gave them a call and they remember that thirty million dollars bro yeah is like don't be scared of the n._r._a. Trump okay <laughter> dying the week who's their low energy like no no low energy on our very not smart. I wish you take more energy to pull a trigger. That was what we need. Guns that are harder to use really isn't even an older person yeah like they could do it. I think that's a good idea. I still like chris rock's idea of making the bullets cost five thousand dollars when i get paid him papa capital two weeks from now. I love that yeah seriously seriously though it's it's like why would you even be intimidated by a group that truly is dying that is i know. They still have a much more. He's also think he probably relates to the more than anything god i. I don't even know if i could say that. I think he's fucking gonna live forever emboldened. Yeah i mean i think they're both in their death rose. I i hope so but that's you know it's we'll see what happens. I don't know he's going to back off of it like he always does. I just hope that washington shington doesn't back off of it like they have the last one hundred times. This discussion has come up <hes> eighty percent of <hes>. What's the jin the new generation jin. What's the letter jones agency. Yeah heard. Eighty percent of them are voting in the next election if that if that since his take makes any sense or maybe it's the turning eighteen by the time yeah it's definitely will at canvas knwo what they were saying but their main thing is student debt so it could be our generation. It can be confusing the letters but the point is is the millennials eighty percent of millennials. Yeah yeah there you go yeah yeah i. I feel like they would back that kind of thing. They really scared of all kinds of things like that yeah and they and they care more. I feel like they're they're just more into. It and i hope that's the truth to we'll see how the vote turns out guys. We'll we'll be right back. After this quick word with more news today's hashtag missy we'll be. We're a nation of immigrants and it's our diversity that makes us strong the motto of the united states of america's e. pluribus unum which is latin for of many one. 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For the deutsche bank capital one case but you can put your beans on it and here they are the second circuit court of appeals is set to hear arguments in the deutsche bank capital one case on friday <hes> over the subpoenas issued by those committees and their investigation into trump his family his businesses and their banking history and whether that includes money laundering during our foreign influence the d._o._j. Also argues that these multiple investigations could distract trump from doing his job. Okay how many callers out of quote no. They'll never know these days. That's how i figured they might say right little keys distracting him from his president xiao. How do as president job. You guys not fell. <hes> the lower court ruled against trump in this case <hes> the panel is made up of <hes> one jimmy carter into bushes and that's hilarious. That's that's how i'm gonna do. I'm gonna imagine that the appointments from now on like these three panel judges we got an obama. We got a bush and we got a card card. I love that. I wish jimmy carter could just be permanently employed as a judge. A pointer amazing so great is out there building houses. He's just so fucking reasonable in unkind he just realistic tyson being reasonable but like addressing trump head on but also not sounding crazy while saying it. It's like that's what we need more of yeah. Although if i could think think of the one person that would be the worst opponent against trump. Currently it would be jimmy carter because he's like he's nine hundred in the slow wanna be there isn't bernie all too and i would vote for him. Yeah i'd vote for bernie eight hundred yeah but jimmy carter he doesn't have any fire. He's like he's like. The reasonable radiates from fire which is nice. He's one of those fireplaces. The amish build with no real yeah literally going right home. He's just like the fireplace making me warm yeah. That's true fireplace jimmy carter jimmy throw another log on the doc doc. It's no problem. I remember when we used to throw down on some marshmallows on the jimmy carter. Have some smart okay so yeah. We got to carter's in a bush <hes> no one card or to bush yeah. That's the panel. That's the three the three judge panel. That's going to hear this. Of course they're going to decide. They're going to rule with the lower court. I i one hundred percent on this. I i mean i don't i don't i don't have any inside information. I just know the law is so black and white like we were talking about earlier and i ah i think trump will appeal it. He'll want here have it reheard and bonk in front of the whole nine panel and then when they say no you're crazy. He'll probably petitioned. The supreme court does precourt as they were not listening listening to this <hes>. I don't think they'll hear it. They'll kick it back down and the n. Bonk circuit court second circuit court panel all decision will hold all right which kicks it back down to the district judge which is no trump loses like that so that's my beans two ninety three guys all right all right guys time to get social ashed rush to all right so today we have a hashtag i stand with p. P. and hashtag pro protect ten or it's actually x. Because it's roman roman numeral ten because monday the trump administration forced planned parenthood out of title ten deliberately obstruction and obstructing low income people's access to basic health services and interfering in medical local decisions made by patients and their doctors so we're calling for the courts to protect title ten. That's what we were doing with. This hashtag be planned. Parenthood is the biggest grantee not of title ten federal funding using forty one percent of it but trump is said he will not fund planned parenthood or any of the title ten grandees if they refer sub graentiz if they refer patients out for abortion care and planned parenthood and other defendants have asked for an injunction to allow funding to continue but they have yet to hear arguments in the case those are due september twenty third until then planned parenthood and the other forty one hundred providers who rely on titled ten funding will either have to comply with the gag order and not refer patients out for abortion care or rely on private donation so please give to planned parenthood post on social media with the hashtag protect ten. That's a roman numeral ten so protect acts and you can throw in a hashtag. I stand with p. for good measure and this is one of those steps. Were talking about <hes> one of those things. We look back on and go. There was a flag totally yeah have you on because i think one time period that i didn't have insurance. I think i was is this the same thing as family packed. It's like i remember is like a green card. I feel like it's a california thing. This is federal funding that could be funneled into that but i think the idea is that they're cutting off the federal funding for these kinds of things things for any for any clinic that makes more abortion care referrals yeah which is crazy. It's like you can't even say hey. I recommend you get it somewhere else without getting getting the funding cut that's yeah you can't refer an abortion care right which effectively then on principle there like will then know right. We're not going to accept this and we're not accepting any of your money exactly yeah which is really really bold of them because i i would imagine it'd be able to to stay sustain with just private donations even though it would help them like maintain for now but the idea is that hopefully that ruling will work in their favor and then they'll get the funds back because that's a lot yes a lot of money and they need for like basic paying right and of course communities lack education occasion and resources to our older ones that like are in need of abortion services as are all communities but yeah the education deficit is like obviously bigger and socioeconomic. I'm surged. I'm with them because if you can't make the decision that you need to make a doctor then you might be violating your do no harm oath and also ah per ethically because remember i think it was missouri where they had that one final abortion clinic left and they were making them add an unnecessary pelvic exam intrusive probe job exam <hes> for no medical reason and they in order to keep the clinic open because it was the last one in missouri they said all right. We'll do this and and and after a couple weeks the doctors were like i can't do this. It is against ethical practice or you aren't letting me a doctor. The government is basically trump is basically standing in the room with your feet up on the stirrups and he's telling you your doctor is not allowed to say certain things to you kind of socialism when they claim they're against it. It's like they just cherry pick when they wanna and do it. It's like it's like a police state but they're taking away funding accept the idea of social social. It's not a good so you're talking about like you get bad social good well. It's like i mean there's like the the universality of socialism which i think is kind of what you're thinking of. The fact that like something is applied to there's a blanket rule. That's a whole group is more political. One side better other side. It's something like fascism yeah yeah definitely more fascism and so i wouldn't use socialism to describe anything negative. That's fair at this moment. Mary yeah even in cuba. Where are there completely the wrong kind of socialism that you're talking about fascist that operate a quote unquote socialist regime basically that's because they're distorting the principles of social exactly so it's a government at this point saying i'm going to dictate how doctors are doctors but also i'm gonna take away their funding. It's it's. I'm not going to fund you. Unless you are doctors the way i want want you to dr writing even in cuba which you would think oh communist cuba or you know toward that end <hes> which is one hundred percent government run healthcare system they don't ah do that. They don't intervene and make decisions on behalf of patients and doctors interesting yet. We're doing it here. In the united states a privately funded healthcare system that you know that we you pay for of course these this is federal funding that we're talking about but to manipulate federal funds for access to care for forty one percent of americans low income americans so that you can dictate what the doctor says to you and then to turn around his republican and blamed democrats for being the ones who want to control your healthcare and disallow you when your doctor to make decision right. It's the fucking opposite and it's got to stop an so hashtag it protect ten absolutely yeah and it's also like like what i read was that this is a program that has been titled ten. That's been going on successfully for decades and decades and decades so the fact that they're doing this is completely unprecedented and with this program as well and it's across all administrations to nobody's ever out of fucking problem with it before accept this douchebag. Yes pence's over here like listen. There's so many things are doing. I mean like that. I've never been done before. It's disgusting fascist. Yes and not to mention the fact that the president has paid people off to frigging like get rid of things yeah exactly look at <hes> you know go mcdougal and <hes> stormy yeah home closed. The storm had daily y'all's. I don't know anyone that gives her ship for doing stand up like just pisses me off she was. She's so funny like even if she okay. I'm just gonna throw. Even her set wasn't great hypothetically. I didn't see it. It's probably awesome but like just the idea of someone trying something in that because she did porn. That's like a dumb idea. I think that's people shitting on people for trying things. I shouldn't do it if except for when trump don't try to be president we can go. I'm a hypocrite. Just me all right guys. That's our show for today. You guys have any final thoughts. Oh yeah i found a cool. <hes> celebrated ready dot com is called beans and things it's just a bunch of pictures of beans and places they shouldn't be and it's really cool really like in thing yeh hi. It's like safer work. You know so it's like just random beans in a shoe or beans in a gun or beans and o'clock. You know just beans in crazy places excellent. Yeah find one and ready dot com slash are slash beans and things you know how right it's weird. Just google beans and things go find one. Go find a picture tweeted at us. Please do there's so many daily daily beans pod and follow us to anymore followers. I'll follow back. I'll start falling back. I know i'm falling like one person right yeah. It's fun though to follow back. People really appreciate. Amanda founded beans baby baby number one. Are there are there. Is there a series of beans babies being so young. There's okay beans and fireball balm in orange rinds. Is that an install or is that a is that right yeah okay favorite picture sure of beans and things and and we'll follow back yes at <hes> at daily bean pod and that's excellent. That's not going to be my new emergency kittens which i was introduced to by oshawa golf. I want him having a bad day on on twitter. That's great. I just had to go through instagram today and follow things how so make me happy and take my mind off of imminent doom but you're not fair enough <hes> arts. Are you done with your last word. Damn okay <hes> because i have one i saw the mooch is trying to gather a bunch of support from eggs exch- trump advisors trying to put together a coalition of the willing yes that he says we'll be ready to come out to the public and mid to late fall. He says to tell the world how crazy donald trump is as if that's going to make any sort of difference whatsoever dropping joint mix tape wage hey moods. We've been already doing this for like three years. Never right. I like the concept of getting people together that were once heralded by donald trump. You know them all coming together on a united front unfortunately unfortunately though clearly that's not gonna make a difference of his base because they are saying shit like he shoots or any the drought that accent you. I mean it to be a general. You know like yeah yeah. I mean they'll my point. Is you all support him. No matter what they don't care about all the shitty things he's done. They truly believe that he is worth it yeah yeah and and the difference i think between mooch and some other folks that i've been talking to that are former trump supporters. Is it still a republican. He still wants to take away your abortions. He still wants you know tax cuts for the rich he still wants. I don't know how he feels about l._g._b._t._q. Plus rights but i can't be good and he's still a republican but when i'm when i'm talking about when i'm talking about what i'm going to talk about next is i'm talking about republicans who have turned into democrats because they've realized that we had enough of the hate they realized you know. Maybe they have a gay daughter or maybe you know whatever it is and now they're coming around me and like i can't can't vote against the these are my people in these are my friends and these are the people i love. What about independence same thing pretty much. No you gotta be democrat gotta be. I don't i don't live r._v. Sometimes being on the fence is not enough. Maybe steps for them. Baby steps romy terry. Go one small step for democracy definitely know libertarians unless he's socially socially independent because unless you're voting blue this time and that's what i'm talking about here. I'm talking about people who are willing voted for trump or used to be trump supporters that used to be republicans that are willing to vote blue in the two thousand twenty election because it just can't stand these policies and they can't deal with it anymore and so i have a parting thought in this i've noticed that when former trump supporters changed parties and they want to become democrats and vote blue some democrats demonize them and try to drum them out of the party and i wanted to ask you and of course you don't have to listen to me but please stop doing that. <hes> we've. I've been begging people to change. That's what activism is we march to get people to change their minds and hearts and when they do we have to give them room to change what you don't have to but i really appreciate it and we need to build bridges not walls and and if they're a mole you know if they're an a-hole like a trojan horse we we can air on the side of kindness. It doesn't really you know i ah i i understand that kind of harder than hate but i think we're fucking tough and i believe in us and the last thing we want is to send these folks who have been conned and had the courage to admit it back to the polls with hate in their hearts for democrats and i understand that some of us have been gasoline and abused and <hes> you know so badly and assaulted take our you know our our minds of an assaulted so badly that we aren't ready to forgive. Some of us aren't ready to forgive and that's totally understandable. We all do what we can in our own time. 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"Our guest today is Jody Jenna who serves the United States. Attorney for the district of Columbia chief counsel and staff director of the Senate rules committee and council to the Senate Judiciary, governmental affairs and select intelligence committees Josey founding partner, the Washington DC law firm, gentlemen, punting and is a frequent guest commentator on many national radio and TV shows. Joe thanks for joining us today. My pleasure. You know, there are many people in the media who insisted early on the Muller investigation was a hoax. But I've always felt that you were the most unequivocal about it from day one, and I appreciated that. So I'd like to start out today by you, telling us, what some of the key factors were that made you so sure from the outset that the Russian collusion story was a fabrication. Well, the most important clue of all was James Comey's news conference on July fifth two thousand sixteen where he illegally and improperly and unethically exonerated, Hillary Clinton from all criminal liability under the espionage act once Komi did that in the manner in which he did it. It was readily apparent that the Obama Justice department, and if b I had been totally politically corrupted and that that decision bore no relationship whatsoever to the facts underlying the case. Subsequent to that. You know, a whole bunch of facts came out which verified that in. You know, eventually there was an I g report and there's another one coming out from the DOJ ide-. But that was it that mean that anybody who's ever been a professional federal prosecutor knew at that moment that the jig was up that this was a fixed. And that what it meant was. They wanted her to be elected president. And so that meant automatically. They didn't want him to be president. And so therefore they were gonna make sure that that happened. I didn't need struck and page. Text messages to tell me that it was fairly obvious to anyone who was essentially being and had had some investigative experience that that was what was going to happen subsequently. Obviously little bits and pieces. We've found out about some wants the spine stuff came out. It was fairly obvious. What was what was underway and the notion that rod Rosenstein would appoint a special counsel was an absolute joke, Rosenstein, a total fraud. He gave a speech last night up in New York where he was pretending to be very upset with the Obama administration. He was toady for them. And he was a disgrace to the department. Bill bar did the only Machiavelli thing than any good attorney general could do kept them close to his vest has this played out so ride and couldn't be outside the department leaking which he did regularly from inside the department. So, you know, this was pretty simple stuff for a good federal investigator. And of course, the press was was on the side of Komi and the and the bad guys. And and and they still are. So we'll see what happens. It's going to be very interesting to see how the the current DOJ investigates. The Brennan Clapper Komi cabal, which was clearly a criminal conspiracy. And we'll see how plays out I have by the way, Bill bars. The greatest choice that could have possibly been made the only person the United States who could have taken the job and done it the right way. Sure, you're confident he's really going to go after the other side down. See what was really happening? Oh god. Yeah. He's not gonna let this past. Listen he worked at the Central Intelligence Agency. He's been you know, deputy he's been attorney general twice. He's been the head of the office of legal counsel, which is the lawyer for the entire federal government. He's been the head of Verizon. I mean, let me tell them. This guy knows where the the bread is buttered. He's and let me tell you what why I have faith in him. First of all, I've known thirty years. Consider him a friend second. When he was announced there were shutters at the F B I N, the department of Justice because the career people know, you can't fool Bill. He knows where everybody's buried in both of those buildings. There was no way they were going to do to him. What they did the Jeff Sessions the little full who became attorney general for a short period of time but short enough to do incredible damage. To this president showing Komi, and I'm just talking to Sulaiman when he got there and gives that gave that speech and shocked. Everybody knows serious prosecutor Dutta, you knew from your legal experience that this whole thing was not kosher the way it's being presented. And you knew that it go make shouldn't even be out there talking and should have been if I understand correctly, Loretta Lynch. Right. That is correct. And and the and and and I knew right, then that the investigative process had been corrupted, and, of course, everything subsequent to that shows that it was they allow them to the Lee emails there were no subpoenas. There were no search warrants. There was no grand jury testimony all of the usual investigative techniques where we're we're eschewed. He immunized lawyers witnesses with no. So that there was nobody left to prosecute the the notion just putting aside the tarmac meeting. Between Bill Clinton, and and the Reta Lynch, but what really really kicked it in and made it clear that the fix was in the red. Lynch didn't say a word, even though this was her job, and she had not formally recused herself from the Clinton investigation. She made it looked like she had. But she later said, no, I never issued a formal recusals. But here's what here's what just teed it up for me. Obama didn't fire Comey and neither is Lynch. And the reason was very simple Komi had the goods on him. He was J. Edgar Hoover at that point. He knew that the spine that had gone on for four years prior to that legal spying by the FBI. He had that over the president's head President Obama. He had it over Sally Yates and over John Carlin ahead of national security division. So Komi was doing what Hooper had done for years. He was black nailing people. And that's what he did. When he went to see President Trump and told him about the dossier and the salaciously. Tales that was blackmail great. I'm going to get back to Comi and a little while. But I wanna address this the ways that fake news media has responded to the mullahs report. You'd think that the report had concluded the Trump was guilty of collusion to me. It's amazing. What's your take on the media's reaction to the Mullery? What's during Ed line New York Times or somewhere where I'd say headline was it was like. Uh-huh. The report proved everything and approved the opposite. What's your take on that? Joe? Well, this is this is an example of why the media is held in such low regard. I mean went institutions like the Washington Post and the New York Times that completely capitulate to being armed the Democratic Party because of their hatred for Trump. They lost all value to the American people. And of course, their biggest problem is that they're destroying tr. Journalism as they walked this incredible suicide walk along with Komi and Brennan and Clapper and the incredible damage that they have done to the body politic by insisting on selling this nonsense about Russian collusion is really quite quite sad to say. But it's also worse than sad. It's very very makes me extremely angry as citizen as lawyer somebody who cares about the rule of all all this claptrap about how the president is a threat to the rule of law and the constitution. He's anything. But it's the press. That's the threat to the constitution and the rule of the law by purveying false information in a Republic in Democratic Republic. I mean, this is really quite serious stuff. And because they become so partisan the press and so determined to throw him out of office. They've lost all the integrity and the legitimacy that they would otherwise be entitled to I don't know how they get it back. I really don't. But the only way they could ever get it back is to say we were wrong. He was right. And we gotta find out who the people were tried to overthrow a press a duly elected president. That's never going to happen. So the only substitute for that is an attorney general Bill bar who's going to conduct a legitimate criminal investigation of the people who tried this coup day talk because it was a coup Datong, and then have him issue a report and explain as much as he can. And if there are indictments let those indictment speak for themselves. But the the press is a lost cause. And that's because they hate Trump. They hate everything about him. They hate what he stands for the wrong guy one in their view. She was supposed to get it. She didn't. They're just really quite silly juvenile people that the press has become adolescent and sophomoric, and it's. Approach to the news. And as a result. I don't I don't read the New York Times. I mean, I get it just so I if there's something I have to see it's there. But they have a good crossword puzzle. There's a really important thing. I've been ages to ask you because I don't understand it. Maybe it's just me. But it seems like a very important point is being missing all this. And that's it rod Rosenstein repeatedly told Trump he was not a target of the investigation. And if that were the case, my questions wise the entire four hundred plus page report just about Trump. It was really it really was about Russian collusion. Why didn't Muller not look into the activties of Hillary and everyone else involved on the democratic side. I haven't heard anybody talk about that. Well, this was clearly an investigation of Trump and Rosenstein lied to him. And that's why Komi wouldn't say publicly that he wasn't the subject of an investigation. There was no reason for combing to do that Komi didn't say publicly because he knew it wasn't true. Of course, Trump was subject of the investigation, and the the the Rosenstein role here is really quite corrosive and nefarious. I mean, he is without any doubt, they malign and malignant figure in this entire thing. You remember none of this would have happened. There would have been no special counsel. But for rod Rosenstein, deciding that he just didn't like what the president told Lester Holt of NBC news one night, that's a juvenile approach to this. You have to understand that Rosenstein is a careerist. They all love to talk about he spent thirty years in the department. I was about twenty nine years too long. And in fact, the problem with Rosenstein, and it's always about him. He's a careerist e oh, it's always his next job. And just watching him try to cozy up to the president. And to the anti press approach now is really really really wonderful because it is. Classic rod Rosenstein, and as far as Muller is concerned. He knew within two months that there was no collusion, you should fold it up shopping going home, but he didn't want to because this was never about the Russian thing. It was about trying to get Trump and frame him and getting to commit perjury. And the most important thing for them to do that with the getting to to agree to an interview. And every one of the president's lawyers said no way you ever talk to him. It isn't going to happen, and he'll never be able to subpoena you because he can't win in the supreme court because he he can't show that there's an underlying crime or anything else without that. He doesn't get you. And that's exactly what happened Muller says in his report that he didn't try to get the president's testimony by subpoena because it would have prolonged the investigation, that's total BS. He didn't issue a subpoena because he knew he was gonna lose in the supreme court. To that later, but LSU now, do you think there's ever actually actually from a legal standpoint? That's where you're coming from. Are there any grounds to take legal action against Muller because I don't think there's any doubt anyone's mind that he knew the day he walked into the office if not before and certainly within a couple of months after that there was no collusion. Is there any law that is definitely broken that he could be called a test on? No, I think he's probably violated some ethical standards, and certainly prosecutorial standards of the department of Justice. And I would think I don't think Bill bar will ever do this out of respect for Bob's career. But there may be a report issued subsequent all of this, which includes commentary on the way, the special counsel handle his role, and that will be very very critical him. I don't know who's I don't know who's going to write that. But I think congress certainly the Senate is going to have a role to play in that in the hands of Republicans the house, of course, is interested in nothing. They're not interested in anything involving the truth. The Democrats are just suggs. And they all they wanna do is just dirty up the president for the twenty twenty election. But if he stands tall, the president does his job Connie three point two GDP now stunning numbers on employment employment. You name it. He'll win and the pygmies that are running against them are really quite remarkably ugly, people it politically ugly taking this on a step further many Americans, including myself for bothered by the fact that so far none of the real criminals have been indicted. I mean, you don't even need to have a trial and to know that's red Lynch Brennan Clapper McCabe. She's rush right down the line. And especially bothered by Samantha power. How dare she to borrow your phrase? How dare she on? Two hundred people. What is she got to do with and all the way up to Barack Obama himself? What part of any do you think rock Obama played in the Russian collusion thought? I think he was aware of the investigation. I think he was aware of the tactics that were being used. I think he clearly authorized it by not stopping it. He had been briefed. We know at least one meeting in the White House on January fifth two thousand seventeen there must have been others. Susan Rice wrote a memo for the record on January twentieth. Two thousand seventeen memorializing January fifth meeting where she said, the president emphasized that everything had been done quote by the book, and quote, what the hell does that mean? And why why was he saying that what was he afraid of answers, very simple. They were out to get Donald Trump the notion that they had a good faith belief that he might have been an agent of Russia or that the Russians were trying to use him is ludicrous. There was no evidence of that whatsoever. And everybody knew it. What happened was there was quite a bit of a legal electron IX Valence by the Obama administration over a four year period prior to the two thousand sixteen election. The FIS court has written about this and condemned the Obama administration Justice department at the I for these illegalities, it is a matter of public record. Not many people have read the opinion. There's been very little writing about it in the press, but the FIS court in an order written by judge Collier. That's ninety eight pages long announce to the world that the Obama Justice department, and if b I used for contractors to illegally access and essay database is about Americans those accesses were then used to unmask Americans. And then leak information about them to the press. Those acts were all violations of the espionage, Jack and will be the. Subject of investigation by the attorney general if they are not already being investigated by John Huber, the US attorney in Utah. So believe me there's a lot to do here. And there's there's there's a lot to be done. It's very important about of -struction for my question is how can a person be exonerated of obstruction of Justice. If he's never been formerly accused of suction in the first place. It seems to me that Muller just as easily could have said that he didn't reach a conclusion about Trump's robbing a Bank. He wasn't accused of obstruction any more than it was jus to robbing a Bank ERM, I missing something. Like, you know, well, the Muller report with because things says that he he he could not accuse the president of a crime because of the facts, but he did not exonerate him. Now, it's not his job to exonerate the president his job is to bring a charge or shut up and file a report about what he did. And didn't do Muller. Was a cover for the original illegal surveillance that went on by the Obama administration whether or not Bob was aware of that. And whether or not he did it knowingly. I do not know, but he ended up being a tool of a cover up, but it didn't work because Trump, let's let's put it this way. Let's look at your question just has obstruction suppose, you were accused of a Bank robbery at the Bank of America at on. I in Maine, and you were investigated for two years for it. And at the end, you found out that the Bank had never been robbed. And that the Bank robbery was made up. Just so they could investigate you get all your records. That's what happened to the president. He was accused of a crime that he didn't commit but also a crime that never happened, and they spent two years trying to ruin his life his family's life and the light and in the lives of his friends and campaign workers that is. Disgusting by any sense of the word, and it needs to be accounted for and that's what bar is going to do show. Speaking of Pfizer judges been concerned from the beginning who these guys are why you're not hearing from them. I don't know how much you know, about personally. But I'm just wondering if anybody's investigating them if they said anything because I've always been suspicious, especially since that, I think it was a text by Peter Struck about he didn't want it to look like they were too cozy. I've always wondered all honesty, if they were in on this whole thing the five judges were used I'm not at all sure that they didn't miss a few things and weren't as thorough as they should have been. But we do know that the FIS judges have in fact spoken with the department of Justice about the Carter page buys warrants and about other spying by the Obama FBI. Justice department. I would I would give judge judge Carter the chief judge extremely high marks for the way she exposed the illegal spying done by the four FBI contractors during the Obama administration, and it is apparent to me that number of the other FIS judges involved in the Carter page warrant have in fact spoken to the Justice department. It's not their job to be public about stuff. Like this. That's not the role of judge. However, they do have the responsibility. If the because they are going to be witnesses in these cases, they were lied to. And as such they're going to have to testify or provide information about what happened when these documents were presented to them, and what was done. So we'll see, but I don't blame them. I just don't know that they were as thorough as they should have been some of them for different. Judges looked at the Carter page warrant not one four. So they don't have to read it study. Making germination they can go on the word of the person. No, no, no. No. No, no, no. They have to study it. They have to go into the question is if you're giving false information, you're you're not gonna know that as a judge now they turned down four or five five warrants on Carter page, and it wasn't until the steel CA was created that they got him. So that tells you a lot about what was going on. And why the steel became so important and why since it is a fraudulent document totally unverified. Never should have been spent it to the court. I Don I don't blame them for being lied to by the FBI. And by senior Justice department officials that to me is one of the great crimes of this whole thing the way they lied to the court. I'm probably already on this but ever since Muller start is ending out diamonds for crimes and nothing to do with Russian collusion and the things looting Paul Manafort, by the way, I contended that all convictions. Arising from those diamonds should be thrown out. Now, granted I'm speaking from a layman's point of view, but you know, poisoned tree poisoned fruit. So what I wanna know from you is whether there's any legal precedent for throwing out some of these convictions came about only because people got caught up in Muller's, fishing expedition. Well, here's what can be done. Let's assume that Bill bark and ducks a really thorough investigation and comes up with a lot of stuff, and ultimately concludes that the Genesis of this entire investigation was the result of a fraudulent approach to the FIS a court and lies to a number of other federal agencies, and that even the appointment of Mahler was tainted by that very fact, the attorney general could order, the dismissal of all the indictments against all of these people and could order that any convictions that the government wants to vacate those convictions because it can note can no longer Bausch for the credibility of the guy. Witnesses and evidence that could occur is it likely to her. I doubt it. But I I would I would assume that some people will get pardons and some people will get commutations when the investigative process involving bar is over trying to I don't know Paul Manafort, but kind of feel sorry for him. No matter what crime she committed. He wasn't an ax murder, obviously. And it just seems strange to me that he gets roped into this thing fraudulent investigation and Muller says, okay, let's go over here now. So there's nothing to do with Russian collusion. My gosh, you could do that to the whole every person that is that that that prosecution of Muller for these Farah violations and tax violations was a disgrace is totally unnecessary. The Justice department had already passed on that prosecution wants decided it wasn't worth pursuing the only reason they pursued him as as the judge said in Virginia was to squeeze him to get him. To say something about Trump or even make it up. So I mean, that's classic Andrew Weissmann technique. You know, if you don't if you don't tell me what I wanna hear. I'm gonna charge your wife. That's what Weisman does. I mean, he's just discussing prosecutorial pig jump over Trump's tax returns. Again, I'm going to view on this. And maybe not everybody shares. But since a nearly two year investigation did exotic quote, unquote Trump. Well, it's not quote, unquote. It did exonerating rushing collusion and it didn't find any obstruction. What's the justification for the Democrats demanding his tax returns, they have any legal grounds to do this or just more grandstanding? I mean, the time to vet someone is when he's running for office not two years after he's been in office. So does it doesn't the house have to have a a a reasonable justification to do this? They have to have valid legislative purpose and just being curious is not enough. Since he was not exonerated Russian collusion. And since there is no evidence that he has broken any other law before or after being president and since their job in reviewing tax returns is for a specific reason involving a particular piece of legislation they're not entitled to these tax returns. And they're not gonna get them. And it is an outrageous abuse of their power. But that's where the Democrats are there drunk with the power that they now have and they're acting like maniacs. And there is absolutely no reason that they need see his tax returns nothing involving Muller involved tax returns. And there's no reason for them to get the the fact that they have a pre and interest in his tax returns does not make that a valid legislative reason for them to get them. They're not going to get them. So to last question show. Let's switch gears for minute. You've been around Washington for long time. Have you ever seen or heard anything like chief Justice John Roberts tech on Donald Trump the way I look at his everything Trump said about the left leaning bias of the night. Sure. Court of appeals was true. So Roberts truly was an unbiased judge who is sincerely interested. You digital fairness instead of tacking Trump. He seems to me should met with the ninth circuit judges and said something like, hey, look, you guys gotta stop to make judgments based on the law, not your personal ideological beliefs. So what do you think Roberts made the decision openly deck Trump instead? I I don't know. But he never should have done it. That was a terrible mistake for the chief Justice to become involved in political discussion about how the president of the United States views judges when when when the chief Justice said there are no Republican judges. There are no democratic judges are liberal judges. The run was that was just nonsense and he sounded and looked like a full when he did it. And he realized that he'd made a mistake after he'd said it, and he shut up, and he should shut up for the rest of his term. And just be quiet. If the president is states wants to criticize the ninth circuit. That's fine. They're all big people. They have lifetime appointments, the president can't remove them. I don't know why the chief Justice was so concerned. It's because he's sometimes he just wants to be relevant for some reason. He did that with ObamaCare when he changed his vote and decided to uphold it using some strain. Bizarre logic that. The penalty was actually tax. The the the thing about Robertson's. He's a bit of a Martin it and a bit of a smart little smart Aleck and the truth is he became chief Justice too young and thinks a little bit too much of himself and his criticism of the president was completely unjustified. Outrageous. And I've in my opinion violation of judicial ethics. Shocker for sure one final question while we're talking about the supreme court. What about the dip because it's got a lot of people nervous. So I wanna know your league of the on this. What about the Democrats threat the Pakhtakor to regain the Senate? Do you believe there's a legal way for them to actually do that? I guess it's not in the constitution. And conversely also jealous there's league away for Republicans to stop it. Well, you have to get you know, if they wanna change by legislation the number of justices on the supreme court. They can do that. Will they try to do that? I doubt it. I think it would be it would cause such a constitutional crisis and be so transparently obvious. Why they were doing it that it would it just would be impossible. I think they would probably have a revolt among the moderate Democrats in the Senate, and it would be physically impossible. I also don't think they could get it through the house of representatives. Remember, it has to go through two houses. It's a piece of legislation that changed the number. I think the public debate over that just like eliminating the electoral college, it's just, you know, at least the electoral college, you have to do a constitutional amendment. That's never going to happen, but on putting packing the court with an increased number of liberal justices. I just don't think it's ever going to have. I wanna thank you for sharing with us today. Ton of great stuff thank about. And hope you visit with us again, real soon anytime. Thanks a lot pre sheet. The call take care.
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"This show goes deep inside the crazy reality we don't like to think about we already live in a world of nuclear weapons and there's a whole crop of countries just itching to join this dangerous club heads up fans of the world were putting a little something extra in your feed things that go boom a bonus podcast to loyal listeners of the world from pr ex you're going to love the rest of the season of things that go boom if you want to hear the whole season you can subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts and is our foreign policy for sale it's literally the first line of my book. US foreign policy is for politics comes from just about every place you can imagine billionaires corporation Lockheed Martin and now nations foreign governments Eurabia China they all work for think tanks funded by one particular billionaire funded by George Soros if you're in aged and Beck says everyone on the board this is Paul he's a communist has something in common George Soros is a problem it's not George Soros puppet master problem this is a different kind of problem I'm lazy Healy Benz Tall Handsome we're friends on facebook so I can also tell you that he's really into cross fit and fostering dogs he told us money in DC because it is a dangerous thing if you don't remember beckwith sort of the Alex Jones of the day your friendly neighborhood conspiracy theorist the truth has to be told we we look at what exactly is making the swamp so murky we're going to try to filter out some of that slime to ask one not so simple question grip missions burial plots a crying Jag and even a false alarm about armageddon things that go boom let's roll back in two thousand ten I was sitting in my office conspiracies with string now their goal is to cut one trillion dollars from the defense and I'll ask yourself is this a problem I think big big problem here's the thing though conspiracies sources king you might have heard speculation that he paid all those protesters at the women's march in DC really he's just a rich hedge fund founder and a philanthropist in it's not just for sale it's an auction Ben Freeman is the director of the Foreign Influence Transparency Initiative at the Center for International Policy His book is literally old so I turned on the show and there's back wearing a denim shirt and a vest and he's in front of a magnetic chalkboard with pictures of experts on it just the kind you might use called the foreign policy auction and I am funded by both George Soros that chalkboard and Charles Coke another billionaire on the opposite side of the spectrum when the phone rang it was a friend telling me to tune in to of all people Glenn Beck we don't talk about nine eleven a lot on this program someone working at a think tank do I have to tell the public what I make no do I have to tell them who gives me money so then does my boss friendships have fuelled Saudi's influence in Washington for decades lining pockets of Republicans and Democrats alike from K. Street to can even more important I but eventually Beck's chalkboard and there's someone up there who I know really well lacy for the center for others aren't and transparency is important because think-tanks aren't always neutral some take sides okay so if I'm George Cesspool or perhaps to the word sewer we look at how many work to influence public opinion around the Iran deal and how it works to influence foreign policy in general and you might remember the political environment around the Iran deal was super contentious this is a deal that is so good for Iran they keep their underground nuclear I think tanks are required to disclose much of anything about where the money comes from and some do some are actually very transparent but terms of money in politics in DC you can think of the traditional avenues of influence like hiring a lobbying from that contract it's publicly available then there's all the and on this episode of things that go boom we wade into the swamp and it's not a good place in fact today I said we ought to change it from the words swab it does does the thing take itself have to disclose who's funding it so we asked Catherine Sullivan I Catherine Louis C. A reporter with another podcast trump INC to help us understand how some nonprofits that influenced the Iran deal might have influenced by money I for possessing nuclear weapons and during the negotiations they were out there working to sway public opinion along these lines they've also helped write legislate under the iceberg the stuff you can't see like think-tanks the kind of nonprofit were working when Beck called me out the thing is because of their nonprofit status it's advocating for and against and Catherine told us that some of these groups were really really secretive about their funding chief among them was a group of the A to Iran the frustrating thing from this past week was that I spent a lot of time reading nine ninety s almost none of them included their donors table back in two thousand eight their stated objective was and is there still around today to quote prevent Iran from fulfilling its ambition to become a regional superpower you a and I it seems like they didn't quite think about the acronym before they came up with the name United Against Nuclear Iran it became pretty clear Asia and one of the most prominent activities was naming and shaming companies that do business with Iran they were going on television on news government and I like to explain it to people via the iceberg analogy. There's there's the tip of the iceberg which we can all see when you think about the tip of the iceberg I can't pronounce you Wani Vanni Maybe I like Winnie Lanny we'll just call them Winnie vowels decided to take a look at what there was on wikileaks there are thousands of nonprofits around the world folkestone foreign policy hundreds focused just on issues related arms control and non-proliferation that's the nuclear policy shop where I worked for six years sending guess who funds it you guessed it or George Soros sorrow George Soros early on that this one group united against nuclear Iran was very powerful very loud you want he was founded before there was even a dealer it's really a fantastic case study maybe a microcosm of the ways in which American foreign policy is actually influenced and up to testify before you once again a monitor to sit here on the panel publishing ads in newspapers and they were protesting art When I got there the office is fairly small it's very quiet the part of the office that we were in there were no windows Janis funding for years my name is Eli Clifton I'm an investigative reporter who focuses on the role of money in influencing us hi I m Mahmoud Almundena Jihad at traveled to the US for the UN General Assembly and the protesters didn't want the work to give him a row he's deeply does experts and talking heads of sanctions or designed to punish Iran without using bullets and bombs but testifying in Congress extra mile attacking even the folks that are doing legal business with Iran like how many selling medicine vaccines this was no longer a coercive strategy to implemented you might remember the Obama Administration had been using tough sanctions to bring to the negotiating table the sanctions also targeted Iran Central Bank how revolution they had a reputation of being quite secretive there's this clip of you on his co founder Mark Wallace in two thousand twelve or he's asked twice who funds you on now this is in regard individuals and companies this is consistent with tightening the noose on Iran economically but you want he is going the being group who who is funding this well for saw lobby group I think is misplaced it's really an activist group we have over twenty twice he dodges the question policy ally is a fellow with type media center they described themselves as a newsroom that holds the powerful accountable I went to go visit him in his office and government funded it's privately funded it's five Oh one C. three not for profit or contributions are confidential because a lot of people who support this week nation for why this startup organization with a rather narrow focus based in New York not in Washington would folks from the intelligence community but there's another reason why Katherine says you Auntie sparked her interest it was also unclear where their money came from investing in two thousand thirteen? He's leaning back in an arm chair wearing his signature three piece suit. Thomas Kaplan clearly puts a lot of effort into cultivating but he keeps looking at you on his roster of big names all these former diplomats and politicians there was little to no explicit up to the people of New York many times he's calls nine eleven ally he says he hates this country says he hates the city of course at the time Obama's team was in background is a golden silver investor he he's billionaire he speaks a very particular type of affect with kind of indistinguishable accent you WanNa co-founder when he looks into it he realizes that some years he's not even getting paid by you on his actual salary a certain image around himself as a renaissance man he has a PhD from Oxford in British colonial history he also has some pretty major hobbies king as a top executive for Thomas Kaplan at his company called the electric group so that's interesting so who is Kaplan so Thomas Kaplan is not a commodity it is a currency with the longest known provenance that we have actually that's Kaplan speaking on a panel about commodities talks with Iran but nobody knew that Catherine also noticed you only had big names on their current and former roster folks like Jeb Bush and Joe Lieberman along with a whole slew of they want supporters protesting in front of the Warwick Hotel in Manhattan I twenty five and the Warwick which is on the Iranian president nations from the broad spectrum of the general public don't WanNa be I don't think any respectable organizations that don't have anything to hide would not disclose their funders and they've been arrived I asked traces back to this guy named Thomas Kaplan well Mark Wallace is leading one of the country's loudest pressure groups on Iran he's also abilities open they capitulate in no way whatsoever they makes it much harder for them get of atomic law right and that's that right there that right there ever groups on all sides in the inner life of his subjects which could be a man a woman ally do have that draw to it it didn't make sense and he notices something kind of odd remember Mark Wallace he started a big Cat Conservation Organization called Panthera oh and he is one of if not the world's largest collector of Rembrandt's he is the in your rod that goes shooting table instead it was clear that they they wanted something else Eli wants to know what so he starts singing around at first he doesn't turn out much controlled by Thomas Kaplan so together allies schedule be says that these two trusts controlled by Kaplan give a total of eight hundred forty three thousand dollars are just private collector which act he's really interesting way in which he makes you connect with kind of like diplomacy investigative journalism is an exactly the clamorous gave you might think spends a lot of time with documents and you want he is on his radar take hunters and they absolutely will not they absolutely will not I think that's big Red Flag Catherine learns that there's this one reporter who's been bird dogging the story expansionist policies to the way reticulation python related python digests ago just a goat but there's also this other thing right yeah he had a pretty big break there well I won't say how I found it but what I did find or what I did get is something called United Against Nuclear Ron's schedule allies pretty confused by the Kaplan connection at first but then something happens that helps them connect the dots and then he had a small breakthrough she wanted which might not see much but it's about half of you on his total budget for the year and that's not counting Wallis's salary so what you're saying is that in two thousand thirteen you has more questions than answers up to this point Kaplan has been super secretive about his connection to Yani but it doesn't really make sense but you want he doesn't want the US to let up actually wanted to double down so it's playing the bad cop keeping up the drumbeat with naming and shaming him which is the Iranians have on occasion used gold to get around sanctions because they've been shut out of international banks there are even some reports of Ron so ally wonders could Kaplan and his companies be profiting from you on his work in Iran then something happens that looks like it might finally given obi form and it's the part of a nonprofits tax form that tells you where the money comes from normally this part of that forum is not available sure if any of the trust anyone just looking at them like you know they wouldn't mean anything to us the names of the trust one is called Butterfield trust the other one is called new generations trust world that is more secure reach an interim deal for the first time in nearly a decade we have halted the progress of the Iranian nuclear program and they offer some sanctions I not too big on Iran in twenty thirteen Idelson gave you on e. half a million dollars until the Nelson's pretty extreme he has like publicly said that we should bomb Iran so check mark in that box that was sobriety and then they were too there were two trusts listed on the form the format and read them all to the public ally had a snapshot of Yanni's funding from twenty thirteen the first name is Sheldon Adelson you might remember him from episode two he was one of trump's top campaign doc piling gold to shore up its currency which could drive up the price of gold meaning sanctions could be good for Kaplan's bottom line relief we will refrain from imposing new sanctions and we will allow the Iranian government access to a portion of the revenue that they have been denied through sanctions tad fuel to the fire an official filing one of Kaplan's companies silvermine acknowledges that political unrest in the Middle East is a factor in the minds success shaming campaigns align with Kaplan's business interests at the same time Kaplan's lawyers told reporters that he doesn't know anything about restless or the camp twenty thirteen and Obama's team has been in secret talks with Iran Gruden and it pays off today that diplomacy opened up a new path hop of that named in this lawsuit is somebody we've heard of Thomas Kaplan rest goes straight for Kaplan's throat he wants completely unprecedented pretty much out of nowhere. The government the Obama Justice Department steps in without explanation the Justice Department gets involved so they're causing a big stir for pretty small organization until one day they named the wrong company or the wrong billionaire. Victor Rest is the people funded this organization right most of their budget came from the Allison Foundation and from Thomas Kaplan's trust and significantly more from Kaplan yeah is a golden silver investor interested in naming shaming groups doing business with Iran anyway the simple answer could be that he's just ideologically committed to you on his Mission Ping Company and the two companies our competitors in court documents related to the lawsuit rest is his lawyers alleged that you want three hundred thousand dollars more than you could buy part of remember that yeah just a small fraction about three percent so after he finds a schedule B everything Kaplan's financial interests his relationship to you Wani because as it turns out like Restless Kaplan's in-laws also owned but when you look in the address section of what these are is care of the Tigris Group what is it that the Tigers Group is a financial financial firm that's thing and ally he's watching this thing very closely it quickly devolved into what sounded like a feud between billionaires but he that's totally possible Kaplan's been pretty clear about his position on Iran's nuclear deal was struck in two thousand seventeen wanting conference he likened Iran so there was some speculation in the press about how and why you want he might have obtained government secrets of course they have no shortage and the case is dismissed I think everybody had the same stunned reaction which was this makes no sense this came out of left field go and in the process of discovery rest isses lawyers WanNa drag you on his members funders and financial interests out in the open it's a mess and on says if this lawsuit proceeds sensitive government secrets will be revealed and therefore this lawsuit must nocco forward why would you is these businesses will add even more to Iran's bottom line and that means continued development of nuclear technologies and more cash for Hamas and has also helping the whole thing might pull back the curtain on this page organization that he's been trying to understand now for years and then something happens with the lawsuit you weren't getting any money from it so we were focused on the issue of the of the policy objectives and that was largely it really for the government officials on their board including a former CIA director so some people thought maybe one of these people shared intelligence with you on he but really because the case was leap this is not an organization that is trying to promote unrest in the Middle East by countering the Iranians from having a nuclear weapon they're actually trying to make things more stable dismissed we have no idea if they have secret government information or why they would and we have no idea if vistas claims against Kaplan against you on hold this is a kind of mysterious Greek shipping tycoon who calls himself the new Aristotle Onassis that's the guy I married Jackie and you want he says he's szekely running a smuggling fleet moving oil from Iran to China in violation of sanctions and Victor Recipes doesn't like that and he sues you on for defamation today you want to appear stronger than ever their annual budget has actually increased since the rest is lawsuit and perhaps even more than before just like that allies searches cut short the government steps in and invokes this thing called the state secrets privilege which says but he says more transparency wouldn't exactly be a bad thing at the very least it would help get rid of stories like the ones that let us do these questions in the first place thank you all their incredibly plugged into the current presidential administration the regime must longer be allowed to get its hands on says either I've tried repeatedly to get in touch with Yanni both by email and by phone and they haven't replied to us she also reached out to Kaplan he declined to comment demerit because they were never tested in court at the time you want he called restlessness claims little more than thinly veiled effort to silence them record he also thinks the suggestion that Kaplan or you want he might have something to gain from continued unrest in the Middle East is bunk me that strikes me as being incomes from and that's kind of frustrating and to our story I know but it's also exactly what we all should expect says that means the policies they produce could be tainted the perception of think tanks is that they are sort of the referee but they're not creating unrest in the Middle East the unrest in the Middle East is endemic to the region he's proud of you on his work and he trusts names you either answer she's looking for you think tanks folks Kaplan or private citizens so we can't say for sure whether they're interested in Iran because the ideology or because it benefits their bottom line tuck we're just focused on policy I don't think either one of us asked you know what where the money was coming he's in DC that these are the folks who are providing objective analysis in that that information on it's not politically driven that is the idealized view of think tanks and it is a completely naive view it's a matter of principle I think more transparency better than less then you don't have to deal with the owner of suspicion so where does that leave us though it certainly looks a little suspicious what we can say is that think tanks a nonprofits also receive a lot of funding from defense so you still around they're still naming shaming companies they're still advocating for greater pressure on Iran and we still don't know whether when some of the loudest most active organizations and think tanks that influence policies like the Iran deal are required to disclose their funding. It's a problem because Ben Freeman you have state secrets set the question the whole event feels fishy because technically the only group that's supposed to have government secrets is the government itself anti-regime that hoards it for itself and misuse it for violent ends you I tried to go but he was turned away at the door Catherine couldn't get much it's contractors and foreign governments millions of dollars in some cases the amount that these folks are spending it absolutely the trump administration sense such high ranking officials to speak at Yawny they sent John Bolton they sent Mike Pompeo doing business in read only pours money billions of dollars that has already proven it will spread around the world to its client states rebel groups and terrace that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo at their annual conference what was so surprising was that so we asked you on a CO founder and former ambassador Dennis Ross if he could give us any insight into you on is funding but he says he
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"<music> hello and welcome to the daily beans for tuesday august august twentieth two thousand nineteen. Today we have trump barrick falling out. The cop who killed eric. Garner is fired bar removes. The bureau of prisons chief trump pays millions in legal fees planned parenthood parenthood withdraws from titled ten and the department of justice sides with trump over the house judiciary. I'm your host a._g. And with me today are julius johnson and jordan coburn. I knew i didn't mean the house judiciary. I met house financial services. <hes> she that immediate correction so there you go directions. No emails necessary think eh. I don't know if anybody would catch that but i did watch yourself. I wanted to make yourself before you wreck yourself before. It was way giddy. Whack yeah yeah welcome to the nineteen nineties jamming on the one. How are you guys. I'm great. I recently played an hour of laser tag again and that was a a lot of self care. Yes it is honestly s._e._c. Laser tag <hes>. I am well. I did some things i i did a i give him a civil facial today for the first time in my life i if you cut your hair to all the blondes gone yes. All the blonde has gone. Yes <hes> <hes> also thank you. I learned very sensitive skin and should not give myself. Facials burned so only eh it burns because you're wicked yeah. It was like if this burns or the tingling sensation is normal. It starts becoming. I'm comfortable. Take it off but that's like out how weird threshold. I don't know what's comfortable and what's i'm comfortable zero to link since asian at all is uncomfortable but then never yeah as as a whole thing anyway i'm doing great. My face was on fire. Still relevant. Damn great face aces up fire who wo- face susan's fine but not only so now leon eric knowles had a great joke about them. He's like why is that guy always sound like he's ripping off. A band. Aid doc arrives ee. It's impressive to make a living off of that but he totally nailed. It does sound like ripping off a band. He doesn't much better impersonation of than i do. So that's pretty good chance brilliant ex marine veteran just all around great communities often think he won the world series of comedy he didn't he did dope all right anyway. New show debt so we might as well jump in with with our hot notes pot notes are it goes a little more serious note. After five long years there was finally decision in the eric garner case in that decision is the n._y._p._d. Has fired the cop who killed eric garner for reference. The incident happened in two thousand fourteen. A grand jury was impaneled and they decided not to indict <hes> the cop and then in the obama justice department said it wanted to do an investigation into whether garner civil rights were violated so they opened up that investigation but they did not come to a decision before the two thousand sixteen election probably assuming hillary was gonna win and they're going to hand this off to clinton but <hes> by july two thousand eighteen after the trump administration hadn't done anything they'd made no determination jenner even at the acknowledge that they were continuing the civil rights investigation the n._y._p._d. Took matters into their own hands and started their own trial and then a little less than a year later they determined and that while garner didn't comply the cop applied an illegal choke hold <hes> and he had reason to know. It was not illegal maneuver so they fired him. <hes> i'm good. I mean it's bittersweet because there's that quote that says justice delayed is justice denied <hes> but also being killed for this kind of thing has already justice lay late and not enough absolutely but also better late than never i still believe that but yeah very bitter sweet yeah and i think one of the problems is that the obama administration administration department of justice had asked the n._y._p._d. To not take action on this to to keep him on administrative leave until they concluded their civil rights <hes> investigation whether or not this violated civil rights yeah so that's kind of one of the things that was on hold forever. I wonder if the n._y._p._d. At that point wouldn't if there if there wasn't that not civil rights investigation after the grand jury that was impaneled decided not to indict if they would have just fired call good point yeah <hes>. I still don't understand why the grand jury sorry didn't bring charges but i you know we'll never see that. That's grand jury ever see you just gonna say. Obama said he was upset about that. So would he be the one. I felt there eric holder who would be the person that would be at fault for being delayed for the civil rights investigation which sounds like a good thing but then like you mentioned could have been part of the problem. I don't know if obama instructed structed the department of justice to do a civil rights investigation. It seems like something obama would do because he was very hands off on the department <hes> e- you know despite what trump might i tell you that eric holder had obama's back and do investigations when he said <hes> but i i really don't know <hes>. I don't know if there's a way to know we could probably do a foia request. There might have already been foia. Requests might be something he could research if you wanted to see if they got the documents on the handling of the civil rights investigation under the obama administration yet because they kinda played out the clock they're like around-the-clock his maybe not intentionally but the fact that trump was elected before they even got around to well they were assuming hillary would win and probably could continue the investigation with whoever the new attorney general would be that would be anyone knew or if they would've kept ensure holder whoever it was at the time yeah the lists of negatives that came from from assuming hillary was going to continue to grow throw it on the pile is one of those things that got caught up fell through the cracks because we all assumed hillary would win the election definitely <hes> anyway. I don't know how long civil rights investigation takes like because they started in two thousand fourteen or two thousand fifteen. I didn't even know they had those yeah. They've i feel like you should have been able to wrap it up in a year but they didn't wrap up the n._y._p._d. Trial in a year and you know so i i honestly don't know how long you can expect a civil rights trial. Take a civil rights investigation because it's not a trial because they cleared him of criminal charges. The grant or the grand jury did that right well. I guess we talk on the podcast a lot about how these things take a long time so even unfortunately in these cases. It sounds like they were probably going as fast as they can but it's so sad to five years later that's crazy and what was your quote. Delay justice is justice. Delayed is justice denied yeah see to me. Justice delayed is just how fucking justice works unfortunately they were all sitting here like god damnit come on exactly they're saying they should change it from the justice system to the <hes> the just the legal system because there's not really any justice implied in the majority of cases cases it does make me question though all the times that we hear cops being placed on administrative leave instead of just being fired if in every single scenario it's because they're waiting for the years that it takes for the investigation to finally be done. I think it probably has more to do with their union contracts right and they would get sued yeah. You can't just a police officer. You got to go through their do deal due diligence based on what the union puts in place right yeah but they're about to make that more complicated. I think in california right governor newsom yeah yeah. He's just making a law that says that the meetings have a better reason for using excessive force which i guess isn't exactly firing them but just more consequences yeah they're trying the problem is is that if you lighten up on the <hes> due process fourth amendment rights to each <hes> a police officer or any federal work or any not not the police officer federal but anyone in a job if you lighten up on those then that means they can easily fire you for wrong things and and so that's why it takes so long <hes> is those are protections in place to protect people who deserve the protection. Unfortunately there are people who get that protection that don't deserve that protection but that is you know we might. We want air on the side of protection for people. It doesn't always work out that way <hes> but then you know if you lift those regulations and say you you can fire a cop for whatever you want. They might go out and fire every cop color on the forest because some racist assholes in and decides to do that and there's no protection for for those colleagues. It makes us vulnerable on both sides. I will say that one of the craziest parts of this whole eric garner story is that his twenty seven year old daughter who is fighting for his memory. I guess our the justice for him. She died at twenty seven years from a heart attack after all this went down lake. You know in the last five years after it happened exactly yeah yeah she would you these things called diane's where every week or every two weeks she and activists would just sit where he died in just raise awareness and heart attack. She had a heart attack and died in seven years old. It blows my mind. Oh my gosh there's a lot of crazy parts to the story like i just yeah. There's a lot i hope they don't stop looking into it even though he's fired. There's still so a lot that i think like the guy that filmed it. He's in jail right now. The guy that filmed eric garner whole series absolutely on it and i say you should do the foia. Get the get the information and find out what communications locations were within the justice department and both obama and trump administration's there had been some sort of read and read out briefing to from one administration to the other there there should should have been discussions between susan rice and and <hes> the attorney general and obama about what are we going to do with these cases that we thought were going to be carried on aren't you. I know there had to have been something there and i would really should be able to foyer those things i know. This is entirely different but the podcast you can do that too. You know we can file for your requests. Ooh any citizen can foia friday to go through the process yeah every week. Yeah i wanna i wanna nunez's farm request from sarah jewel but <hes> but i i understand that what i'm about to say is an entirely different legal situation and and while i believe it definitely contains inherent racism. It is nuanced in different from eric gardner's or <hes> but cereal dot cast. There's now now calls for the supreme court to hear that case and there's definitely been mobility within the justice system as a result of that podcast so what you were saying about someone doing a podcast about it. It's like doc. It's crazy that that actually makes such a difference and the f. one hundred percent. They should the public care about it then yeah. That's why i said somebody should do a series right boy royal all this shit put it together do the investigative journalism and that can make a difference because you're right that sudden on ed case then rubio chaudhry was our first guest on muller she she wrote daily beans fun fact for the day trivia and she was part of that and <hes> that you're right it makes journalism makes a difference and i think that ah unfortunately right now with bill bar the head of the department of justice. The weight of justice in this country is now on the shoulders of journalists <hes> more so than it is on the the department of justice so yeah on that note that i saw that where trump is saying the presses. The enemy of the people and someone else said that truth is the enemy of the president. That's pretty much what it is. Yeah it is it is truth. Truth is truth is enemy of trump his enemy of trump by the transit of property of treason next here we go in the wake of the epstein death bar found another fall guy we know he moved the warden outright and he put those two sleepy guards on leave and now he has moved the bureau of prisons chief chief hugh hurwitz and he's replaced him with former prisons director <hes> kathleen sawyer she she she did the job before her wits has been reassigned to direct the re entry program for the bureau will show where he will work with bar to implement the new justice reform bill the first step back so that guy's job interesting. They are just so shorthanded. Everyone's wins an acting something. It's just a shit show yeah. They're just really dedicated and always to people not being in their jail cell anymore. <hes> i guess so unless you deserve to get out because you're another marijuana offense did not mean that seriously strictly on the first step thing in the fact that i've seen is no longer in his jail cell tape set him up. I know it's totally. I appreciate that yeah. We worked it out our guys time for a little schadenfreude shoddy friday as no. I do not know what on on fraud is. Please tell me because i'm dying to know jamming tampa shameful gye so remember when the trump administration lost its court battle trying to put what a racist question on the census in line to the courts and it was to comply with the voting rights act <hes> when what it was really doing disenfranchising voters gerrymandering specifically specifically to assist white republican voters scooby doo episode they pull off the mask. No it was gerrymandering the whole time has would be able to gerrymander few meddling cernan lists but yeah no. This is totally true in real like we're not you know yes. We're a partisan podcasts. The brian williams likes to say just the one time <hes> ah but it is true that they were literally doing this to gerrymander to help white republicans. Those are the words in the study by the republican dude who wrote the study so it's not just me being like these are not beings yeah this is. This is what i think no. That's what it was and anyway buzzfeed reports the this week that the trump administration nation could end up paying nearly fifteen million dollars in legal fees. <hes> federal law gives the challenges the right to demand the losers cover the winners legals bill legal bills an earlier this month the department of justice agreed to pay two point seven million dollars to the a._c._l._u. and others for the case in manhattan and now the winners of the two cases in maryland which is not trump trump. <hes> are asking for seven million four million respectively and the request for one hundred thousand in the california case is going to be paid in september. Wow so ha ha. That's pretty smart. They played that well. It's a gamble but it worked out. I don't know i don't know he i i yes but i don't know how much of a gamble it was because that was a pretty open and shut case the citizenship question on this but i thought that trump was gonna find a way to like i dunno just break the system you know i think that paper was just such incriminating evidence. I don't remember even consider it consider. That's why you know like sanctions on those lawyers. Trump was gonna really eli. Defy it so i didn't think that you know i think anything would matter after that but i do still matter it's up to the supreme court and the supreme court even though we've got you know a look beer on on there and what's <hes> gorsuch even though we've got like these just super jerky right-wing fuckers on the court they still have to follow follow the law and and they know that and this one had no chance i don't think and so it was it was a gamble for the trump administration yeah knowing that they might have to pay these legal bills of the challenges of this to to try to put this set of citizenship question on there but i don't think trump cares about that kind of shit right. I scared that what the supreme court because it's their interpretation of the law right where it gets tricky and i'm just like me the evidence given but if it's a law that has president it's been decided over and over and over and over again it just it's black and white like the like the maziarz case <hes> the trump is trying to block them from getting the financial oversight committee from getting financial documents from his ours or the finance committee from getting capital one and deutsche <hes> or the house ways and means committee from getting the taxes. These are black and white laws so there's there's not a lot of room for interpretation for them. That's whereas for like a a roe v wade law. There's more gray area or you know these other kinds of civil rights laws and shit like that there's more gray area and roe v wade be a precedent or is it the only precedent therefore it's not as strong of it's been it's upheld. It's been upheld several times in court and has a history of precedent people could interpreted british differently than these black and white effing law the plank because we know what roe v wade is based on its constitutional and so when you interpret the constitution the to shin it gets fuzzier than when you interpret a statute like you will you shall hand over tax yeah so it just gets fuzzier the further back you go with all the all white new to yeah well that makes so much sense gets further backing it really does it's true for me and my life as well. I don't remember the twentieth very and over time too. I imagine the lesson is continuously tenuously learned that you have to be specific as possible yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah but in any case he's gonna have to shell shitload of money and that is shoddy friday saw and guys it may come as no surprise but trump is now backtracking on his fickle sort of support for expanded background checks after the mouth mouth the multiple mass shootings last week saying i thought about it but we already have a lot of background checks. That's what he said. We already have a lot of back classic trump right yeah. He yeah the n._r._a. Called him oh yeah of course yeah because he was like we can talk about background checks just like the last time we can talk about bump stocks and give them a call and they like remember that thirty million dollars bro yeah n._r._a. Is like not don't be scared of the n._r._a. Trump okay dying the week who's use their low energy low energy n._r._a. Edgy very smart. I wish you took more energy to pull the trigger that was when he guns that are harder to use even an older person yahoo they could do it. I think that's a good idea. I still like chris. Rock's idea of making the bullets cost five thousand dollars papa capi two weeks from now with the i. I love that yeah seriously. Though it's it's like why would you even be intimidated aided by a group that truly is dying that is i know. They still have a much. He's also think he he probably relates to the more than anything god. I don't even know if i could say that. I think he's fucking. I'm gonna live forever emboldened. Yeah i mean like politically. I think they're both in their death. Throes hope so but like that's <hes> <hes> you know it's we'll see what happens. I don't know i he's gonna back off of it like he always does. I just hope that washington doesn't back off of it like they have every the last asked hundred times. This discussion has come up <hes> eighty percent of <hes>. What's the gen the new generation of the letter z eighty percent of them mirv voting in the next election if that if that makes any sense or maybe it's the other digital turning eighteen by the time yeah it's definitely kango is what they were saying yeah but their main thing is student in debt so it could be our generation. It could be competing the letters but the point as the millennials eighty percent of millennials yeah yeah there you go yeah yeah. I feel like they would back that kind of thing they they're really scared of all kinds of things like that yeah and they care more. I feel like they are more into it and i. I hope that's the truth to we'll see how the youth vote turns out guys. 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The department of justice filed another amicus macus brief signing with trump over the house financial services and intel committees. If you remember they did this last week in the mazari case filed an amicus brief <hes> which is also so in the appellate court at the moment and d._o._j. Saying they don't think the oversight committee and elijah cummings have specific enough legislative reasons to demand trump's trump's financial records from his accounting firm czars well the d._o._j. Has filed another amicus brief in the dutch bank and capital one case and you remember when we talked about this last week. I'm like haven't done it yet for the deutsche your bank capital one case but you can put your beans on it and here they are the second circuit court of appeals is set to hear arguments in the deutsche bank capital one case on friday over the subpoenas issued by those committees and their investigation into trump his family his businesses and their banking history and whether that includes money laundering or for an influence the d._o._j. Also also argues that these multiple investigations could distract trump from doing his president job callers dirk quote. No i never know these days. That's how i figured they might say little keys distracting him from his president shop do as president job you guys not fill the lower court ruled against trump in this case <hes> the panel is made up of <hes> one jimmy carter in two bushes and that's hilarious uh-huh. That's how i'm going to do the magic that now. I'm going to do the appointments from now on like these three panel judges. We got an obama bush and we got a card. I love i wish jimmy carter could just be permanently lillian -ployed as a judge a pointer amazing so great yeah out there building houses. He's just so fucking reasonable. In-kind is just realistic nick. I guess i'd tyson for being reasonable but like addressing trump head on but also not sounding crazy while saying it's like that's all we need more of although if i could think of the one person that would be the worst opponent against trump currently it would be jimmy carter he can do it would be. He's like <hes> he's nine. Hundred calls all sloth bernie to and i would vote for him. Yeah i'd vote for bernie eight hundred yeah but jimmy carter he doesn't have any fire. He's like a he's like reasonable. Radiates radiates from fire. He's one of those those fireplaces. The amish build with no real. Has those literally going those homes. He's just like the fireplace warm. That's true fireplace. Jimmy carter's throw another log onto jesus. Hang your stockings helping. I remember when we used to throw down on some marshmallows on the jimmy carter. Have some smart okay so yeah. We got to carter's in a bush. No one carter ardor to bush's. That's panel. That's the three the three judge panel. That's going to hear this. Of course they're gonna decide. They're going to rule with the lower court. I one hundred percent beans on this. I i mean i don't i don't i haven't don't have inside information. I just know the law so black and white like we were talking about earlier and i think trump will appeal it. He'll wanna hear have it reheard and bonk in front of the whole nine panel and then when they say no. You're crazy hill probably petitioned the supreme court does pre they. Were not listening to this <hes>. I don't think they'll hear it. They'll kick it back down and that and bank <hes> circuit court second circuit court panel decision will hold all right <hes> which kicks it back down to the district judge which is no trump loses <hes> yeah. I like that so that's my beans says nine hundred three guys bill all right all right guys time to get social hashtag all right so today we have have a hashtag i stand with p. P. and hashtag pro protect ten or it's actually x. Because it's roman numeral ten because monday the trump administration asian forced planned parenthood out of title ten deliberately obstruction and obstructing low income people's access to basic health services and interfering in medical decisions made by patients and their doctors yes so we're calling for the courts to protect title ten. That's what we what we would be doing with. This hashtag be a planned parenthood is the biggest grantee of title ten federal funding using forty one percent of it but trump has said he will not fund planned parenthood or any of the title ten grandees if they refer sub grantee if they refer patients out for abortion care and planned parenthood hood and other defendants have asked for an injunction to allow funding to continue but they have yet <hes> to hear arguments in the case those are due september twenty third until then planned parenthood in the other forty one hundred providers who rely on titled ten funding will either have to comply with the gag order and not refer patients out for abortion care or rely on private donations so please give to planned parenthood post on social social media with the hashtag protect ten. That's a roman numeral ten so protect x. and you can throw in a hashtag. I stand with p. P. for good measure and this is one of those steps. Were talking about <hes> one of those things we look back on and go. There was a flag totally yeah have you because i think one time appeared that i didn't have insurance. I think i was the same thing as family packed. It's like i remember it was like a green card. I feel like it's a california. Thing thinks this is federal. Funding night could be funneled into that. Lambs typically yeah but i think the idea is that like they're cutting off the federal funding for these kinds of things right. If you don't for any clear for any yeah that makes for abortion care referrals yeah which is crazy. It's like you can't even just say hey. I recommend you get it somewhere else. Without getting the funding cut that's you can't refer a an abortion care right which effectively then on principle there like will then know right. We're not going to accept this and we're not accepting any of your money exactly exactly yeah which is really really bold of them because i wouldn't imagine they'd be able to to stay sustained with just private donations even though it helped him maintain for now the idea is that hopefully that ruling ruling will work in their favor and then they'll get the funds back. That's a lot yeah. It's a lot of money they need for basic things right and of course communities that lack education and resources to our older ones set like are in need of abortion services as are all communities but yeah the education deficit is like obviously bigger and socioeconomic. I'm with i'm with them. Because if you can't can't make the decision that you need to make a doctor then you might be violating your do no harm oath and also ethically because remember i think it it was missouri where they had that one final abortion clinic left and they were making them add an unnecessary pelvic exam intrusive appro exam <hes> for no medical the reason and they in order to keep the clinic open because it was the last one in missouri they said all right. We'll do this and and the and after a couple of weeks the doctors were like. I can't do <music> this. It is against ethical practice or you aren't letting me be a doctor. The government is basically trump is basically standing in the room with your feet up on the stirrups and he's telling knowing you. Your doctor is not allowed to say certain things to you kind of socialism when they claim they're against it. It's like they just cherry pick when they want to do it. It's like it's like a police state but they're taking being away funding accept the idea of social social. It's not a greater good so you're talking about bad social kind of <hes>. I mean there's like the the universality of socialism which i think is kind of what you're thinking of. The fact that like something is applied to there's like a blanket get rule. That's the whole group more political one side like social better fascism. Yes definitely more fascism and social. I wouldn't use socialism to describe anything negative. That's fair at this moment mary in cuba where they're completely the wrong kind of socialism talking about our fascists that operate a quote unquote socialist regime basically that's because they're distorting the principles of social exactly so it's a government at this point saying i'm i'm going to dictate how doctors are doctors but also i'm going to take away their funding. It's yeah it's i'm not gonna fund you. Unless you are doctors the way i want you to dr writing even in cuba which you you would think oh communist cuba or you know toward that end <hes> the which is a hundred percent government run healthcare system they don't do that. They don't intervene and make decisions decisions on behalf of patients and doctors interesting yet. We're doing it here in the united states in a privately funded healthcare system that you know that we pay for of course these this is federal funding that we're talking thing about but to manipulate federal funds for access to care for forty one percent of americans low income americans so that you can dictate what the doctor says to you and then to turn around as a republican and blamed democrats for being the ones who want to control your healthcare and disallow you and your doctor to make decision right. It's the fucking working opposite and it's got to stop an end so hashtag it protect ten absolutely yeah and it's also like what i read was that this is a program that has been titled ten. That's been going on successfully for decades and decades and decades so the fact that they're doing this is completely unprecedented with this program as well and it's across all administration nations to nobody's ever out of fucking problem with before except this douchebag yeah yes pences over here like this and the so many things they're doing like that. I've never been done before. It's disgusting and fascist. Yes not to mention the fact that the president has paid people off frigging flake get rid of things yeah exactly look at <hes> <hes> you know go mcdougal and <hes> stormy yeah home closer storm daily anyone that gives her ship for doing stand. <hes> like just pisses me off she was she's so funny. It's like even if she okay. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Even her set was in great hypothetically. I didn't see it. It's probably awesome but like just the idea of someone trying something thing in that because she did porn. That's like a dumb idea. I think that's people shitting on people for trying things like maybe you shouldn't do it if you except for when trump tries to be president we can should oh yeah there. We go yeah. I'm a hypocrite. Just me all right guys. That's our show for today. You guys have any final thoughts. Oh yeah i found a cool. <hes> sub read at ready dot com. It's called beans and things it's just a bunch of pictures of beans in places they shouldn't be and it's really cool really means in thing yeah. It's like safer work. You know so. It's like just random. I don't like being in a shoe or beans and a gun and beans and o'clock. You know just beans in crazy places excellent find and ready dot com slash rs are slash beans and things you know how red it's weird just google beans and things go find one. 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Am damn okay <hes> because i have one i saw that the mooch is trying to gather a bunch of support from x. Trump advisors trying to put together coalition of the willing yes that he says it will be ready to come out to the public in mid to late fall to tell the world how crazy donald trump is as if that's going to make any sort of difference whatsoever dropping a joint mixed. Hey wage <hes>. We've been doing this for like three years. Whatever ever right i like the concept of getting people together that were once like heralded by donald trump piano and then the them all coming together on a united front unfortunately though clearly that's not gonna make differs offers any of his base because they are saying shit like he could flicking shoots or any of that accent. I mean it could be a general. You know just be like yeah. Yeah i mean they'll my point is all support him no matter what they don't care about all the shitty things he's done. They truly believe that he is worth it yeah and and the difference earns i think between mooch and some other folks that i've been talking to that are former trump supporters is it mood is still a republican. He still wants to take away your abortions. He still wants you know tax cuts for the rich. He's still wants <hes>. I don't know how he feels about l._g._b._t._q. Plus rights but i can't be good and you know i. He's still a republican but when i'm when i'm talking about when i'm talking about what i'm going to talk about next is i'm talking about republicans who have turned into democrats because they've realized that we had enough of the hate. They've realized you know maybe they have a like a gay daughter or maybe you know whatever it is and now they're coming around me and i can't vote against the these are my people and these are my friends ends on. These are the people i love. What am i independent same thing pretty much. No you gotta be democrat. Gotta be okay yeah. Sometimes being on the fence ends is not enough. Maybe steps for them. Baby steps were military. Go one small step for democracy. You know libertarians <hes> unless unless you're voting blue this time and that's what i'm talking about here. I'm talking about people who are willing who voted for trump or used to be trump's supporters it used to be republicans are willing to vote blue in the two thousand twenty election because they just can't stand these policies and they can't deal with it anymore and so i have a parting thought on this i've noticed that when former trump supporters changed parties and they wanna become democrats and vote blue some democrats democrats demonize them and try to drum them out of the party and i wanted to ask you and of course you don't have to listen to me but please stop doing that. We've been begging people to change. That's what activism awesome is we march to get people to change their minds and hearts and when they do we have to give them room to change what you don't have to but i really appreciate it and we need to build bridges not walls and if they're a mole you know if they're in a whole like a trojan horse we can err on the side of kindness. It doesn't really you know i i understand that kindness is harder than hate but i think we're fucked off and i believe in us and the last thing we want is to send these folks who have been conned <hes> and had the courage to admit it back to the polls with hate in their hearts for the democrats and i understand that some of us have been gas lit and abused and <hes> you know so badly and assaulted our you know our our minds of an assaulted so badly that we aren't ready to forgive. Some of us aren't ready to forgiven. That's totally understandable. We all do what we can in our own time. 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"Julian Assange, had a big hearing in London today. A bunch of his supporters showed up. But he did not. He's currently being held at Belmarsh prison in London, and WikiLeaks spokesperson said that, while he's been there, his health has deteriorated, and he's lost dramatic amount of weights today. His lawyers said he was too ill to appear in court. This is like bad news on top of bad news on top of bad news for such, but the worst news came about a week ago and Andrew Procup has been covering the story for vox. Last week. The Justice department announced a new superseding indictment seventeen new charges against Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, US officials charged WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange with violating the espionage act for obtaining and publishing classified information. With former army intelligence analyst, Chelsea Manning. These are in connection to the leaks of military documents and, and State Department cables back in twenty ten given to him by then private Chelsea Manning. Some of the documents leaked exposed abuse by the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan, including information that documented the names of confidential human sources, and that the release of that information, put the individuals in exceptionally grave danger, when I think Espinar jacked, I think spies is is the saying that base. What he did with Chelsea Manning. In leaking a bunch of information about the United States government and our national security was in league with what a spy might do for over a century at this point on the books has been this espionage act, which says that the publication of any document writing it lists. Several types of pieces of information, relating to the national defense which information, the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation is criminal through federal prosecutors argued against using the espionage act against Assange, they're reportedly worried about the threat that these charges could pose to the first amendment. So it's a very broad law. That has scared people for a long time. And now it's being used by the Justice department to say that. Assange is publication of the leaked classified military information that Chelsea Manning gave him is criminal. But this happened in twenty ten has the US government just been weighing that question for what to administrations and nine years now. Well, the Obama Justice department looked very seriously at charging Assange and may even explored this option of charging him under the espionage act, but around twenty thirteen they decided that they wouldn't do it. There's a Washington Post story from the time that quotes, a Justice department officials saying that what they had was a New York Times problem that using the espionage act against signs for the publication of information. Like this could be invoked in the exact same way against more respectable journalists and really any reporting on classified information, or secret national security information that the US government wants to keep hidden as the Justice department comment. It'd on whether this means that journalism itself is at risk. Well, essentially, they just say, don't worry about it. We don't consider us onto journalist, and we would not use the law in this way against journalists and it's kind of like a, a trust us argument. What is the distinction between Julian Assange WikiLeaks journalism? The New York Times vox mother Jones Bob's blog into Pika, like where do you draw the line? So in response to these concerns, John Denver's the head of the Justice Department's national security division said some say that Assange is journalist, and that he should be immune from prosecution for these actions that department take seriously, the role of journalists in our democracy, and we thank you for it. It has not and never has been the department's policy to target them for reporting. But he went on to say that assigns is no journalist and. He also said that he was not a responsible actor that was purposefully publishing the names of individuals that could be confidential human sources, exposing people to danger, and so on. So I mean their argument is essentially that Assange was irresponsible and dangerous at a bad guy, and that they don't consider him a journalist, but the response from free speech activists and journalists themselves is that what he's doing essentially obtaining secret information that the government wants to keep secret and making a public is whether doing to the one difference may be being that the New York Times or vox or even Bob's blog into Pika might be a little more careful to not publish names of active sources or government agents in a foreign country that would be a difference, but it's not clear. If there's a legal difference, there's nothing in the, you know, in this law, in particular that. That would make that distinction, Charlie savage from the New York Times wrote in his story that the times obtained the same archives of documents from manning that WikiLeaks did back in twenty ten and he writes, while the times did take steps to withhold the names of informants in the subset of the files at publish. It is not clear, how that is legally different from publishing other classified information, that's been viewed as kind of a voluntary step that journalistic organizations have taken in response to government concerns. But it's it's not clear that it's legal distinction. What is the distinction that they're making between Chelsea Manning, who leaked the information and Julian Assange, who shared it? Well, the government has long taken a more aggressive stance against the leakers themselves than the people who publish what the leakers, give them manning was, of course, prosecuted under. For the Obama administration and other governmental leakers were as well. And Obama's Justice department got harsh criticism for that it was called his war on leaks, but they never went so far as filing charges against the, the people who published the classified or secret information rather than the people who leaked it. So the heat just got turned up significantly on a Saggio, and it was already cranked. Right. Where does this leave him? Spending several years. Hold up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London Assange was finally arrested and taken into British custody in April. The US is trying to extradite Assange to get him brought into the United States so they can prosecute him here. And as part of that effort, they filed an initial charge against signs in April, and now they have filed this broader set of charges, apparently in an attempt to settle exactly what he's going to be charged with before any potential extradition. Now, the extradition is not necessarily assure thing, though, there's also an investigation into a rape allegation against Assange and Sweden. So there's the possibility he could be extradited there. There's the possibility that the UK government could turn down the US request to extradite Assange, if they feel that his prosecution is to political, so basically, it's not clear, but he's currently in a prison in London. It wasn't that long ago that Julian Assange was basically a folk hero. How he went from there to here next. it's the middle of the show. And if you don't mind, I'd like to use the opportunity to tell you about another show. This one is called factually, with Adam Khan over. It's a podcast. You might know Adam as a stand up comedian, he is also the host of a TV show called Adam ruins everything my TV people. Tell me it's untrue. Tv check it out. But also the podcast factually is a show where Adam talks to colts or prize winning authors. Professors, other smart people to find out the true facts behind big issues, like homelessness or or all the stuff. Big tech is going through right now or gun control lake, for instance, did you know that no one in America thought the right to bear arms? Really had anything to do with self defense for a very long time. That's more of a recent development. There's stuff like that in the show. It's again called factually, with Adam Khan over from Adam ruins everything on TRU TV, but this one's a podcast. It's in the podcast apps now, and you can subscribe now, so you never miss an episode. Andrew where does Julian come from? Well, Austrailia Assange was born in Australia in nineteen seventy one by the time he was a teenager. He got into computer hacking, he called himself Mendez six, according to a New Yorker profile of him, it meant nobly untruthful of the journalists, you know, a young journalist activist in early age. I wrote a magazine was prosecuted fraud, in, my when I was a teenager. I science founded WikiLeaks in two thousand six and his stated goal was to publish information. The powerful were trying to keep secret and over the next couple of years, he really had his greatest successes in obtaining and publishing United States military national security, and foreign policy documents and a big part of that is that assigns himself was a harsh critic of what he deemed the US's imperialist ambitions predominant form was imply has is. Is an empire of US bases? Now, moving fourteen hundred US military, bases hundred twenty countries loaded around the world, and an empire trade. And it uses these mechanisms of its embassies of its military, bases of its presence in organizations like the UN, and I am f- in order to secure advantageous deals, instructions for the largest American companies. So when exactly does the world come to know of WikiLeaks, one of their first big scoops was in twenty ten. They published a video of a US air strike in Iraq that killed civilians from the distant you hear the voices on the tape watches. The wounded try to crawl to help but when held arrives. During. Claire. Claire. He also published a lot of military documents about the Iraq and Afghanistan, wars, and all sorts of State Department cables in which diplomats were giving very candid assessments of foreign governments. French President Nicolas Sarkozy is cooled thin skinned and the naked emperor, the German Chancellor is described as Anglo tiff lawn Merckel and Afghan. President Hamad Khazai is weak and driven by paranoia. These are essentially US government secrets that the United States was trying to keep hidden. Some of it related to the deaths of civilians in wars abroad and, and terrible things that happened there. And these leaks were really unprecedented to an extent. And they gained enormous attention and made him a kind of celebrity. I remember watching those videos. A lot of people were looking at Julian Assange as the. Sort of activist folk hero, who was exposing the truth about these engagements that were deeply unpopular in the US and abroad. How does he sort of fall from that perch, so? Yeah. Assange was a kind of folk hero. There's even a movie in twenty thirteen called the fifth estate, he was played by Benedict Cumberbatch. What about the lives of the soldiers and the civilians involved in these conflicts this, I'm reporting civilian casualties, countless incidents of friendly Fahd? This is information the world needs to know and things started to somewhat turn for him in two thousand twelve he faced a rape allegation, which posed a risk that he would be extradited to Sweden in June twenty twelve he showed up at the Ecuadorian embassy in London and asked for political asylum. And the imminent danger at the time was the Swedish extradition. But he said that what he was. Really worried about was political persecution from the United States government for the leaks that they so despised. And at the time it was President Rafael Correa was the leader of Ecuador in the leftist government of the country was pretty sympathetic to Assange's anti United States, imperialism, activism. So the granted his request, and he took up residence in the Ecuadorian assembly in London. And he like, sets up his own personal, we work there for what seven years? Yeah. He was holed up there in the end for nearly seven years from June, twenty twelve to in the end April twenty nineteen, but he wasn't just sitting around. He was continuing to run WikiLeaks posting more leaked material and including both infamously perhaps, during the twenty sixteen campaign posting hacked emails that had been obtained by Russian hackers and that he had gotten a hold of both from the Democratic National Committee. In one Email atop DNC staffer wonders about Sanders. Does he believe in a God, he has skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage? I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference from Hillary Clinton's campaign chair, John Podesta her inability to just do a national interview and communicate genuine feelings of remorse and regret is now I fear becoming a character problem more so than honesty, this became a central event of interest in the Muller investigation. But in the end Assange was not charged for anything related to. Those leaks. How does the sexual assault allegation coupled with the league's of information that ultimately harms the Democratic Party, the DNC, and Hillary Clinton, and ultimately affects the twenty sixteen presidential election change the way Assange is perceived by the public here or abroad? A lot of people turned against him. Of course, who had previously been sympathetic to him like it wasn't clear, whether Assange was trying to bring transparency by publishing the powerful people's communications or whether he was instead just trying to help out the Russians and hurt Hillary Clinton who he had long really disliked called her bright, well-connected, sadistic sociopath. And weirdly enough Republicans who had previously criticized him for beaking all the stuff started to support him. He called into Sean Hannity show and, and was rob. Asli received their for instance, it's absolutely incredible for Clinton to lie. She is lying, but it's it's been disturbing. The James Coney goes along with that game Julian Assange of fascinating. I do hope you get free. One day I wish you the best. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. Trump read out, WikiLeaks on the campaign trail. He said WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks, and then Trump was elected and turned out that Assange didn't get the better treatment that he was hoping for what exactly happened there. Do we have any idea how Trump went from? I love WikiLeaks to having his Justice department file these charges that he violated the espionage act. Well, it doesn't really seem like Trump initiate at any of this. I think what happened is that Wiki leaks got a hold of another series of leaks. And they posted a new set of material about the CIA's hacking capabilities, and this is called the vault seven leak and it appeared to be the largest leak of CIA documents in history. According to the New York Times, Wiki leaks says the documents show the CIA team of hackers have developed malware to be able to hack into almost any device, people use, and can remotely control iphones, ipads, Android devices taking video from their cameras, listening with their microphones, and this may have really been the thing that reactivated the Justice Department's efforts to go after a sons, how exactly does his relationship with the Ecuadorian embassy shift because ultimately they give. Him up right? Yes. So basically assigns, overstate his welcome on one hand, and then on the other hand Ecuador got a new president, who was less sympathetic toward him. And announced we've ended the asylum of the spoiled brat from now on will be more careful in giving. Silence of people who are really worth it and not miserable. Hackers whose only goal is to destabilize governments Lau what happened. There were all sorts of stories leaking out over the years, that Assange has vigorously disputed more or less Assange's hygiene, the Associated Press writes the stench from going weeks without a shower and a dental problem born a poor hygiene was a constant nuisance. According to the official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Then there's the issue of Assange poop, which thority said he spread across embassy walls on at least one occasion. In an act of open defiance showing how little he thought of his hosts Yikes. Yes. So again, we're Assange has tried to dispute some of these allegations. But, you know, according to these Ecuadorian officials, he was he was not the greatest house guest Julian Assange, now with a beard carried out of the Dorian embassy by London's Metropolitan Police. What happened in the end is that the Ecuadorian government said they were done with him and agreed to turn him over to the UK government. And now there's this battle over where he's going to be extradited. His case will be argued in court. There will be first amendment challenges, probably against these charges and traditionally when the first amendment is at risk in the United States in free speech cases, it's often not the most sympathetic or beloved people in the world that are trying to exercise those free speech rights. I think a really interesting question now is whether sentiment in the United States among say those Democrats who are so angry at what Assange did in the two thousand sixteen election canal kind of see past that and realize that criminalizing the publication of secret, United States information is something that could have some very bad effects down the road. And this is not necessarily something that progresses or liberals should be happy to see happening. Cop is a senior political correspondent at vox dot com. Sean Ramos firm. This is today explained.
A Top Obama Official on Police Brutality
"From Pushkin Industries. This is deep background. The show where we explore the stories behind the stories in the news I'm Noah Feldman. For the past week there have been protests, mass demonstrations, rallies and looting all around the country. All of this protest began an immediate sense with the death of an African American Man George Floyd whose last moments were captured on video. He was being held down by a white police officers. Who is arresting him? The officers knee was on his neck. Here to discuss policing civil rights, and what can be done to improve the dire situation. We're in his VANITA, Gupta. She's the president of the leadership conference on Civil and human rights, which is the country's largest civil rights coalition. Under the Obama Administration, she was the acting assistant attorney general, running the US Department of Justice's. Civil Rights. Division that means she was the chief civil rights prosecutor in the United States before that she worked at the end W., C. P. Legal Defense and Education Fund and at the Aclu Vanita thank you so much for joining me. This is an extraordinary and extraordinarily upsetting time for a lot of people and I just to start by asking you. How is it that you know? After years of consciousness raising by black lives, matter and other organizations were still in a situation where an event like the tragic death of of George Floyd in Minnesota can. Trigger circumstances like rim well, I think we as a country have been saddled with the problem of police, silence and state violence against blocks communities in particular since our founding, and while one can. Argue that there's been progress in certain places. These are issues that are are pretty confounding for the country and you look at that video of Mr Floyd on the ground with four officers on him, one of them on his neck Know where? Witnesses and community members are pleading for The officer get off of him and the like. There's just no way to look at that and and not be profoundly outrage and knocks the pain that you're saying out flooring on the street and we have. We don't have perfect police departments. We still have really deep problems stemming racism in our justice system in police thing that we have not yet addressed and. there are a number of reasons for us, but there is no question that policing and racial justice and public safety remain really tense. Issues that we often just kind of pushed under the rug, and then they'd flare up when you have incidents like Mr Floyd. Staff because they resonate and so many communities as the tip of the spear for the kind of harassment or problematic, broken relationships that exist in too many communities with regards to long for. The civil rights. Division of the Department of Justice which you ran during the Obama. Administration Of. Course has the legal authority to come in and. When police go too far. What about the systematic approaches to trying to solve what you were describing is a systemic problem. What efforts did you make? You and your team make during the Obama Administration of the police brutality question more generally, and then I'll ask you what became of those efforts. So in the Obama. Justice, Department. There was a real understanding that. Congress gave the Justice Department in Nineteen Ninety four the authority to investigate police departments for systemic misconduct. This came out of the Rodney King. Beating in in Los Angeles and an investigation of the LAPD and this jurisdiction has been always judiciously used but it was one that the Obama Justice Department took seriously open twenty-five investigations into major police departments at the time that they ended, the administration rolled around. We had consent decrees in fifteen cities across the country in these consent decrees had really become the basis for best practices for triggering really hard conversations in law enforcement, but as you know, I came into the Justice Department just weeks after Michael Brown had been killed in Ferguson in the country was ablaze quite literally around these same questions that countries contending with right now and we had a president who in his final years. Really dug in on race and justice and policing in a way that I think was pretty stark and. An understood just how important it was for people to have trees card for box communities to have some faith in the legal system as providing justice, but we needed. There's been a lot of focus on the fact that there's been too little criminal accountability of officers when they engage in misconduct that I've always thought that the criminal accountability while absolutely crucial to giving people faith in the legal system. Is Not sufficient, and that these pattern practices investigations or relate aimed at getting at systemic entrench problems in police departments that can't be fixed overnight or with a single criminal prosecution, and so we did these investigations we had these consent decrees around the country. It was pretty obvious when the when president trump. Nominated Jeff sessions to head up the Justice Department, says Attorney General the direction that all of us would go which was south. attorney general sessions from the minute he came in actually even before he was confirmed, tried to get the Justice Department out of a very intense negotiations for ultramar consent decree, we were in the strange position in February of twenty seventeen where the Justice Department was trying to get out of this consent decree in arguing federalism to the to the Federal Court in Baltimore Police Commissioner Mayor in Baltimore were saying no, no, no, we need the consent decree to be able to rebuild trust in the city of Baltimore. And they have systematically both under sessions and arts dramatically gutted the work of civil rights division, dismantling police reform efforts halting to almost a complete halt, except in one tiny investigation. But halting all police investigations they gutted. Jeff sessions on his way out. of his of his firing on left a memo behind. Basically making it almost impossible to the civil rights division, T to get consent decrees against local jurisdictions, and so we've had a series of all of these. The kind of gutting of this work cobbled with rhetoric and bully pulpit. At his from the president to sessions and bar, giving speeches that basically you know really a foster, not only an us, versus them mentality, but I would go so far as to say, even you know trump and twenty seventeen encouraging police, violence of of suspects and the like, and this is a very very dangerous place for the country to be in in this moment. We drill down into what a best practices consent decree ought to look like because I mean some of those do remain in place. And they also raise at least the possibility of providing a model for what ought to be done going forward right? It's not gonNA. Come out of this department of Justice obviously, but there will be other administrations hopes in the future, so what? What is the content in your view of best practices? What should departments do when they don't want to have events like this? Take Place. Well I the concentric craze. All look very different from each other. They're really important. Rich documents but they look different from each other. Because policing is inherently local, we have eighteen thousand police departments in this country, and so policing in this country is global, but it is bound by the constitution and these consent decrees covered topics like. supervisions systems accountability systems efforts to stop racially biased police things you changing policies and training around stop and searches. arrest practices looking at officer wellness to deal with stress on the job that can create very bad conditions for certain officers on the beat looking at problems with excessive use of force. In in putting in de escalation policies a time, communications face mechanisms to de escalate and alike when every one of these looks different, because they are fueled by they don't come about until the Justice Department has engaged in intense investigation, looking at every record interviewing hundreds and hundreds of police officers, community activist leaders people residents. That really you know, describe happening in the policing in that particular city, and then coming up with solutions tailored to that city, the leadership conference last year, actually issued a report, called a new era of public safety at aggregated a lot of the best practices in that document IN CONSENT DECREES IN O. J. Research in research from the International. Association chiefs of Police in civil rights organizations. In order to really provide communities on the ground with the kinds of tools and best practices learnings that came from the incentive Krys in part because the Justice Department has literally walked away from this work, and so we wanted to be able to to provide those tools, but this Osama the flavor of what is in any particular consent decree. And, just by example would chicago. Chicago Police Department long and storied history of systemic misconduct. We really went deep into the problems of accountability. The lack of accountability systems lack of supervision, supervisory consistency, the lack of adequate training and accountability on use of force and excessive use of force said. That's just to give you. Some examples Vanita, when I hear you say that there eighteen thousand police departments in the United States and that there were fifteen consent decree is put in place by the Obama Administration, the enormous disparity in those numbers really makes me think the solution can't be the kind of nuanced case by case, individually negotiated agreement than approved by court, which is a consent decree there if we really are serious about a systemic problem it needs to. To be addressed systematically so I wanna ask you imagine a Democratic Congress imagine a Democratic president and a will to make fundamental change at the national level, could there be federal legislation that would operate wholesale, not just retail that would through. Let's say conditioning receipt of federal funds on reorganization lead to the kinds of changes in supervision, accountability, deescalation, and so forth at a national level. Is that something that's doable? Is it something that's? That's desirable. And what would it look if so yeah, so before I? Want to answer this question, but I I wanna just it's really important to mention that the parent practice tool that the justice department has just one tool of many that it has to incentivize reform the Justice Department uses. has a cops office community oriented Policing Services Office that has a host of different programs technical assistance collaborative reform. These were programs. Programs that Agony Obama Administration were well funded and really helped hushed apartments at a much greater scale to engage in reform they produce research that was out for the field, convening authority with chiefs from around the country that would come together and talk through best practices in what they were doing, but also in the aftermath of Ferguson President, Obama. Recognizing you know just how widespread this problem is, and how many police departments there are. Launch the twenty first century policing task force that over the course of three months came up with best practices, and then can start it to convene twenty thirty forty chiefs once a week for the next several years to literally dig in on this report and engage how these chiefs were actually implementing that the outcomes on invest practices in this report and so. So it is not tool or tactic that is going to win the day. You have to have sustained leadership that is pushing on this in a way, the obviously we don't now, but if you look at this, this is part of what is is needed on. The Justice Department is going to need a new justice. Department will need to re invigorate. Tools. But I also think needs to go beyond. It already exists so we. We need to have a justice. Department that reinvigorates to community relations service that played such a profound role in nineteen, sixty eight in the late sixties. It's been really gutted, but in in maintaining and building relationships locally on the ground went unrest breaks through. We need to have laws federal laws that are actually in place that provide for minimum national use of four standards. We need national national. Registry of police misconduct in a national registry documents officers that have been fired for. Disciplinary reasons or excessive use of force so that these officers are just thought cycling around between departments department getting hired despite their own records in launch or Smith, we need to expand the federal charging options, says you know used to be a controversial topic, but I. Just don't see how we can proceed and give the. It has the fact that the Justice Department and federal prosecutors have one statute with the highest criminal intent standard in it in order to prosecute officers engage in misconduct. It doesn't make sense in it is. It has left. It is meant that the Justice Department has had to decline prosecution and in cases that they shouldn't have had to given. Given given kind of how reckless the behavior was so right now there's a it's a standard that requires proving specifically that not only was the use of force unreasonable, but that that the the officer knew at the time that he or she was violating the constitutional right of a person that they knew it was wrong and did it anyway. we need more charging options for for prosecutors? These are just some of the things that I think states and Congress ultimately need to take up. Even as we talk about reinvigorating justice, department and all of the tools. That has you talk about the spending clause issue. This is something that has been. Raised a lot about what is the power of the federal government's purse which provides money out of the Justice Department to Airdrie Police Department in the the country. How can that power be used to incentivize? Better policing in some cases, there's been conversations about mandating better policing better data collection, and I think this is A. This is a question that we have not reckon with an I. Don't think that it is We have to put this on the table now, and it's something that has been politically toxic before on in Empire Times that I think a fact that we don't even aren't even able to collect data on officer involved eight holidays I think is is a real travesty will be right Dr. Ask You about the historical patterns that are essentially starting to emerge now. The Rodney King. police brutality event followed by the Los Angeles riots than the Ferguson riots. Then now the riots that are spread all over the country, just beginning in Minneapolis, but not spreading over the country, these have become kind of recurrent events and I suppose we could even go back before then and go back to the nineteen sixty eight riots, if one wanted to push the historical model back before omitting some smaller instances, but these are the big national kind of categories, make riots. They're now a part of the American historical trajectory. What is your deep instinct about what can be done to address this recurring phenomenon and the reason I ask is? We could imagine Joe Biden becoming president. Then you become attorney, general or deputy attorney, General, and the President says to you look you know. Take the leadership on this. We don't want this to happen anymore. We want something that's transformative. All of the sort of oriented approaches that you're describing all seem valuable and worthwhile. Do any of them get at the this kind of core recurring phenomenon. Is this the kind of problem that can be solved or addressed through those kind of cautious, incremental rational? Berry Obama like interventions. The things that I've talked about would actually be pretty transformative, having minimum national us to force standards and em things that and things that actually may seem like Arizona page, but that don't exist in have never existed in our nation in this way, but. You know I have said this a lots of people which is that there is no silver bullet solution. And I know that as deeply just satisfying to people, but they're truly isn't in policing the structure of policing in this country with eighteen thousand police departments the long history of how structural racism and state violence in particular against communities these are, this is the legacy that we are saddled with, and we are saddled with the legal system. That is that won't be allow for a single silver bullet? It's going to take. transformative bold thinking, it is not going to be enough for a Biden administration or any administration to basically say let's let's reinstate all that. President Obama did and then cost her fingers and hope for the best because that's enough. We have to go way beyond what we were able to achieve in the Obama Administration. This is the kinds of things that we are putting on the table. Now are require bold new thinking, but it is going to take multiple efforts. It's going to take work at the part on the part of mayors in cities. It's GonNa. Take work on the part of police chief to actually implement much of. Of what is known to be best practices, there is still tremendous resistance mostly coming from police unions, but also from leadership in certain parts of the country that are resistant, but I would say the law enforcement leadership around the country is any difference place today than they were in two thousand, fourteen and a bb cold comfort right now, but I take that as some as a modicum of progress. It's GonNa. Take Congress passing sweeping laws around the stuff and policing first unreasonable There's been A. Surge of bipartisanship around criminal justice reform policing is never parties conversation. You can't talk about policing without talking about race in a really frontal way and so there isn't a silver bullet now but I don't think also the answer is just like return to what we were doing before in a more liberal or Democratic administration, it's actually going to take like serious progressive old thinking based on what we know today. And in the end of the day there is never going to be a perfect police department. There are going to be critical. Awful tragedies that happen and the difference will be what the police department, and will permits around the country do about it versus head of defiance or resistance that we have seen in parts of the country in response to these events and I think that's hurt that requires a racial reckoning kind of reckoning with our history, even as we change laws, engage in on in in deep thinking and reform efforts, those at the local state and national, level. One of the tragic features that we're seeing now in real time is that there are peaceful protests demanding reform and change when when it's light out, and then at night there's looting and without entering into the very difficult to answer questions of. Looting whether their community outsiders whether they're from the far left or from the far right. I just want to ask you. What is the appropriate from your perspective and civil rights respecting police response to the looting? Because one thing that we're seeing is that in the police are becoming increasingly aggressive and violent, but that just begs the question of what should the police be doing when they see looting? I'm not talking about response to peaceful demonstrations to actual violent. Violent looting well, I think we have to be clear that there is most people are peacefully protesting even at night. And what's happening is that you've got now? You know increasingly as night after night goes up forces at play that I have nothing to do with Mr Floyd staff that are instigating acts of violence around the country, and there's been so many videos. Of of lack protesters and activists, getting mad at at so called white allies for defacing buildings and putting things on fire like I am really just frost about this as as are so many. And I think that that is something that you have to talk about when you're talking about what's happening on the streets right now. Because most of that has nothing to do with honoring Mr Floyd staff in the issues underlying, but I also think look at law enforcement am it isn't. The things started on Presley in a lot of cities just two three days ago when the protesters. On. There was a lot of militarize response on the leadership conference with the N. W. C. P.. The National Urban League the Indo ACP Legal Defense Fund and others. The rights organizations wrote a letter to the mayor and the police chief in Minneapolis about about ways to make sure that they can protect protesters right to the first, amendment while protecting public safety. Using tear-gas unnecessarily on peaceful protesters. You know not having a militarized response. These were some of the things we were talking about early on when when we weren't seeing what's playing out in the streets right now in human, the cities that aggressive response was. Very early on that inflamed, what was happening on the street? But of course launch horseman, it has to be able to protect. Property from being burnt and defaced and. And the question is. Are they making you know just kind of re instigating or throwing fuel on the fire on around? Aging in excessive force or excessive use of arrest to do that. I think community leaders are speaking out coin for peace. There are civil rights leaders calling for peace activists on the ground that are saying this was not in George Floyd's name but I think we have to be really clear eyed about the dynamics on the street without you know re-emphasizing or reassuring kind of an US versus them mentality here because it is very very complicated. The Obama Justice Department conducted act after action assessments of how police for managing. The protests that the on occasion turned violence You know in Ferguson, and the like in Minneapolis, even after dramatic arc was killed. You know like the pandemic reports that were shelved in our been collecting dust in the trump administration i. don't think that the Justice Department is looking at what was learned in those prior incidents and encouraging law enforcement to de Escalate, and to find ways to protect protesters and protect public safety in the snow at. The protest at this point have gotten beyond the straightforward demand for black people's lives to be respected and honored by the police and have sort of come to stand more broadly for not only structural injustice, but also more general frustration that many people around the country are are feeling with the lack of change and the reason I ask that. Is that when I talked to my students? Of course they. That the core claim of black lives matter is. That the police ought not to engage in brutal and unlawful forms of policing the kill people to kill black people, but they also say that's just a part of a broader project which includes prison abolition with includes. You know other kinds of basic change. and. I'm wondering whether your perception is that the the protests have had sort of gotten beyond the initial. Topic of George Fluids, life, and the lives of other people like him. We have to remember that this is all playing itself out amid a global pandemic that has ravaged in particular, black and Brown communities disproportionately in this country and the unemployment rates are going to be there. They're staggering across the board, but the health outcomes of Cova. The prevalence of Kobe, the mortality of Kobe has hit the block community for than any other community in the country right now save probably for the. The Latino community and it we are in a situation where there is such a massive degree of frustration around structural inequalities writ large, and policing is usually tip fear. When we were in Baltimore. In after Freddie Gray was killed to gray's death, was just a kind of the final thing that trigger the massive unrest in Baltimore after years and decades of profound segregation and housing in schools and divestment in transportation in education. And so you are seeing the out on the streets right now, so it is. It is anger at Mr Floyd's down, but it is much deeper than not and. I think this is part of the broader reckoning that we have to do as a country to acknowledge. This pain in the current lived experiences of communities of color. Not only vis-a-vis policing, but but regarding so many other issues that are that are excluding these communities from access to opportunity from us to twelve, and it's in the face of an administration that frankly you know uses racial division racial polarization as an electoral tactic and a president who thrives on this in thrives on the division, so we don't even have national leadership that could even pretend or wants to pretend or wants to show up as a unifying force or as a calming force. So that's why I think you're seeing the kinds of things play out that your saint at. My last question Vinita when you look at the situation that we're in now in its recurring nature. Do you have any optimism about our national capacity to improve in these dimensions in the future, and if you do feel optimism? Why? I must civil rights lawyer, and I think as the civil rights lawyer we are. We have deep wells of optimism. It's the only reason why we are able to continue day in and day out doing what we do. And, so I do feel optimistic. I feel optimistic because I look at the decades of our history and look from where to wear a weave calm and I don't think you can deny. Progress has been made. It has been painstaking. It has been slow. It has been at the cost of people's lives. But I you know. I was an Selma in early March. Commemorating the fifty fifth anniversary of bloody Sunday and Congressman John. Lewis showed up in the Middle Edmund Pettus bridge the first time he had a public appearance since he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. And talked about he how he was standing on the spot where he his skull had been broken by the out. State troopers fifty five years ago, in his quest for the right to vote along with. Thousands of people who were marching day, and he forced all of us in that moment to remember that as bad in in scary as these times are that this country has been through a lot it has been through slavery and Jim Crow in deep, seated pervasive violence. And it his injury thus, and has seen some progress now because we just sat back in hope that time would make this all inevitable, but actually because people have good conscience, young people especially, but people young men women. Young folks have up. Their sleeves insisted on a better America and they have worked Abbott. They marched in the streets. They have litigated in the courts. They have elected representatives. They have fought voter suppression. And in so the only way that we are going to see change is is by re engage any doubling down. Our commitment to this despair is not an option. Just there is really a kind of tool of the privilege to sit back as communities burn or community to suffer on. Quality and so to me, hope is actually. One of the most important things I say, hope is the discipline I think it's one of the most important things that we bring to this work up, but it requires a commitment because the alternative is is far easier and I think when people say well. How how are you coping your civil rights leader? How how was anyone doing this work right now, said the only thing worse right now would be sitting on the sidelines at the summit, not giving a damn and just saying nothing can change because I i. think that we all are are agents of change that is responsibility in this moment is to is to not let go of the possibility of better America. Thank you for your efforts. Thank you for your work and thank you for your Frank Discussion. Now, thank you, thanks now. Talking to Vinita gave me a strong sense of challenges that continue to face the United States in the realm of civil rights. On the one hand within the Obama Administration. where she worked, serious efforts were made to try to take on the problem of police violence and to improve policing in the United States that included case, specific consent decrees, involving particular police departments, and how they should be reformed, also included some broader efforts to produce systematic change, and how policing takes in the United States. Those efforts could potentially be restarted in a democratic administration. Yet, as Benita, forthrightly, it's. Just going back to the Obama. Administration's policies would not be sufficient to solve the problems that we are talking about. They have deep historical roots, and they express a fundamental structural injustice in the United States. That's bound up in our four hundred year history. As, Vanita said there is no single silver bullet solution to the problem of police, violence and civil rights. How much more so then is it true that there is no single solution to the problem of structural racism and its history and ongoing facts in the United States despite all this Vanita still has hope for improvement. And as she depicted, hope is a disciplined, perhaps even a moral obligation in so far as it stands for the idea that we cannot simply stand idly by, and except that the world is broken rather, we have to undertake a serious sustained patient long-term effort to try to improve it. Until the next time I speak to you, be careful. Be Safe and be well. Deep background is brought to you. By Pushkin Industries, our producer is lydia. Jean caught with research. Help from zooey win and mastering by Jason Gambro and Martine Gonzalez are showrunner is Sophie mckibben. Theme Music is composed by Louis Garra. Special thanks to the Pushkin brass. Malcolm glad well Jacob Weisberg at MEA labelle. 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Comparing Biden and Trump on Policing, Crime and Racial Justice
"Abbott is Scaling Up Access to cove in nineteen tests to help us get back to our lives with confidence another life changing technology from habit. So you don't wait for life you live. Learn. More at ADT DOT com. Abbott life to the fullest. To candidates in two very different views on justice plea would see fundamental philosophical differences between this trump tough on crime law and order stance and a Biden philosophy that is a bit more holistic in terms of rooting out inequities. We'll take a close look at where they stand on these key issues and the big data company. Pailin tear is next in line to go public and evaluation around twenty two billion dollars. So why is global pandemic proving to be such a hot time for IPO's you have a much larger base of people who are wanting to buy stocks and for companies that's made it really attractive start offering shares for the first time now. Plus why the price of tea is now sky high it is Friday September twenty fifth. I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal. This is what's news. There have been new reactions from both parties after president trump declined to say, he'll accept the election results guarantee a peaceful transfer of power Democrats seized on his comments as a fresh line of attack including house, speaker, Nancy Pelosi. But remind him. You are not in north. Korea. You are not in Turkey you are not in Russia Mr President and by the way you are not in Saudi Arabia. You were in the United States of America it is a democracy. So, why don't you just? Try. For a moment to honor your oath of office. As for Republicans several leading legislators released carefully worded statements of support for smoothly functioning democracy making no mention of president trump case in point a tweet from Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell saying quote the winner of the November third election will be inaugurated on January twentieth there will be an orderly transition. The president has said an election could be decided by the Supreme Court and argue that shows the need to quickly fill the open. seat, left by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Republicans are working toward that and Democrats could see there's not a whole lot. They can do to stop them official. Washington will pause politics. Briefly for remembrance, we will be following this morning's memorial services for Justice Ginsburg live on wsj.com that starts at nine thirty eastern at the US Capitol. We are reporting that Democrats are prepping new corona virus aid package around a trillion dollars. Cheaper than what they advanced before our congressional reporter Natalie Andrews explains what's likely to be included Democrats are looking at assistance for airlines, restaurants, small businesses, all sectors that have really been hurt with the closures during the coronavirus pandemic and people not travelling and eating out. They're also looking at another round of unemployment assistance and helping people there as well as stimulus checks for Americans and they would like to provide aid for state and. Local governments that have also been hit hard chances for a deal before election. Day are slim. Democrats. Say The price tag of their plan could be roughly two point, four, trillion dollars, which is well above what Republicans say they're willing to spend to give you a sense of how far apart they are the GOP Senate bill was three, hundred billion though the trump administration has signaled, it could back bill up to one point five dollars. In other news, we are exclusively reporting that the Blue Cross Blue Shield, health insurance group reached a tentative antitrust settlement for two point, seven billion dollars. The upshot could also be a change in practices that allegedly limited competition among the dozens of companies in the group they collectively cover roughly one in three. Americans according to Blue Cross Blue Shield. Police made several arrests last night as Protests Continue in Louisville Kentucky. The latest demonstrations began after news that the officers involved in the fatal shooting of Brianna. Taylor would not face charges directly related to her death demonstrators marched in New York L. A. and other cities Thursday night a little later on the podcast. We will step back and look at differences between president trump and Joe Biden on criminal justice policy. Do. Reporting the data mining company Pailin tears expect it to be valued at around twenty, two billion dollars, but it goes public next week. It's the latest big public debut in what's turning out to be very strong year for IPO's markets reporter. Kaitlan Ostrov explains why investors have really been encouraged by stocks this year because the Fed has slashed interest rates to about zero and that's really made it unattractive to. Be invested in bonds, and so for companies that's made it very attractive start offering shares for the first time now because they can either let the market determine the pious in a much larger market than there's been in recent years and can also just say, no, we're going to offer at the set size and maybe they can offer a little bit higher and people willing to pay that in this environment. Coming up in a year of reckoning around racial justice and policing. We will look at where president trump and Joe Biden stand on key issues. Habit, scaling up access to new COVID nineteen test to help us get back to our lives with confidence another life changing technology from habit. So you don't wait for life, you'll live. Learn more. At Abbott Dot Com. Abbott life to the fullest. As part of ongoing election coverage were taking a deep look at how president trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden differ on major policy issues, today policing crime and racial justice which have risen to the top of the American Agenda High Profile police killings, and shootings of black Americans sparked new calls for change joining us to discuss where the candidates stand is steady. Gherman our Justice Department reporter stating. Nice to have you on. Thanks for having me. So let's start with a hot button topic policing. We've definitely seen the campaigns try to define each other on this topic. Let's focus on what they actually say starting with biden on policing Biden would bring a dramatically different philosophy to the Justice Department and beyond when it comes to police accountability, one of his main priorities is having the Justice Department us. To hold entire cities accountable for police misconduct. These are known as pattern and practice investigations, and there are designed to sort of root out constitutional rights violations with an entire department, and if the Justice Department finds rights violations than it can basically sue a city and these can be incredibly costly and burdensome reforms. And the trump campaign differ on police policy questions. While the there are fundamentally different because while Biden has made systemic racism in law enforcement, a priority, the trump administration and trump administration officials have said they don't believe it exists. They say that there are a few bad apples and policing, but there's not a fundamental problem with the system that needs to be fixed. So while Biden has proposed. Forms in terms of pushing for legislation that would lower the bar to bring federal civil rights charges against individual officers. You know the trump administration has offered a much more limited approach to reform focusing. Instead on, you know some use of force type of training and policy over you know fundamental deep seated changes to police work. Now sentencing is one of the big policy questions in the world of justice what has president trump done in this area well, president trump has touted his rare bipartisan success on criminal justice reform in two thousand, eighteen, he signed into law the first step act, which was a major revision of the nation's sentencing laws that basically aimed to. Allow for early release of thousands of non violent drug offenders into sort of shore up some of the discrepancies in sentencing law that had persisted and led to minorities in particular, being impacted and incarcerated for long periods of time. So he has touted his success in this area but meanwhile, his Justice Department has also ended policies that showed lenience to certain lower level offenders and he has also jump started the federal death penalty which had been on hiatus for nearly twenty years. So he's offering kind of disparate philosophies in the area of criminal justice. And how might a potential Biden administration be different on these questions of sentencing? Well, it might not be that much different I think that Biden has proposed decriminalizing marijuana and also showing you're using clemency toward more nonviolent offenders in the way that Obama did while trump has used that power in in more limited ways, the Biden administration would potentially seek early release four more and more people who have committed sort of lower level drug offenses. But you know this is one area where they're offering kind of a similar platform. They both want to see you know decrease incarceration, but trump is sorta offering a divergent view of crime and policing. How would you summarize their overall philosophies on law enforcement just to kind of sum this up what changed when president trump took office, and if there were to be Biden's administration what would change in that situation? Sure. So when trump took over, we saw the Justice Department undo many of the policies that were hallmarks of the Obama Justice Department. In particular there was a policy known as smart on crime that aim to show liens to certain lower level drug offenders that trump's I attorney general jeff sessions immediately on did and urged federal prosecutors to seek the toughest possible sentences for all offenders regardless of whether. It was the first time, and so that was a significant change that we would anticipate. If Biden is elected, we would go back to that earlier policy and civil rights. Activists are pressuring Biden to go even farther than what Obama did with his Justice Department. So we might see even more sort of shifts and see changes at the justice, department particularly in the areas of civil rights and policing. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. If. You want to know more about how the candidates do for other major policy issues. We've got a special election twenty, twenty page on wsj.com. And finally apart from water the world's most popular drink is t and it's even more popular during the pandemic that growing thirst along with supply issues have sent wholesale prices soaring up fifty percents since March are Lucy creamer explains the biggest problem here is this is actually a supply driven story to demand-driven story. There are a lot of problems in tea producing countries the three biggest exporters of tea Sri Lanka India in. Shrank had a drought at the sound of the which pushed up prices Lunka. In India cove it has been really bad and is ongoing. So both Sri Lanka and India production fell explicit foul and when you have list, he going into the market prices start to rise these supply problems won't be easy to fix. Only a handful of countries can grow leaves good enough to brew. Here's Lucy on T. terroir. People talk about producing T. it's very like producing wine. They talk about the fact, the soil that the trump is grown in. You know if the Thais as is the climate in the widow conditions I mean, you couldn't just roll it in you bet garden in the US, it's grown in specific kind of areas and these prices been growing it for decades if not seen injuries and that's what's news for Friday we're back tonight with an updated show. If you like US please rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts I'm Mark Garrison with the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.
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Three sixty with lifelock ultimate plus membership today and save twenty five percent or more of your first year by going norton dot com slash meadow that's norton dot com slash motto to save twenty five percent off the meadow show weeknights at nine eastern on msnbc as the supreme court heard arguments in a case that could gut obamacare and strip healthcare from millions of americans. President elect joe biden took the stage at the queen theater in wilmington delaware to make the case for the healthcare bill. He and president obama shepherded into law and he promised as president come january. He will fight for americans health coverage also today the biden harris presidential transition announced its transition teams for the various federal agency agencies. The washington post described the teams as quote a list of five hundred experts in federal policy from diplomacy to space exploration who will form the backbone of biden preparations to lead the federal government in january learning from the workforce what to expect that every agency on personnel technology policy and program matters. Why wouldn't joe biden be preparing. He won the election as votes. Continue to be tabulated. Biden's popular vote lead today. Neared four point seven million votes more than three percent margin over donald trump the last time a challenger ousted a first term president by a margin bigger than that was when. Fdr unseated herbert hoover in one thousand nine hundred thirty two. So that's it. let's call that earth one. some might just call it reality. Joe biden won the election by a decisive margin and is going about the business of setting up his administration and then there's earth to is the state department currently to engage with the biden transition team. And if not at what point does a delay hamper a smooth transition or pose a risk to national security there will be a smooth transition to second trump administration. That was trump's secretary of state. Today i would play the comments from the president himself except we don't have any because we haven't heard from the president and a few days except of course on twitter where he frequently posts things in all caps like we will win. The trump administration is now in day three of refusing to sign off on any transition resources for the president-elect's team normally those transition teams. That joe biden announced today would go start getting the lay of the land at various federal agencies but the trump administration literally won't let them in the door. The office of the director of national intelligence today said that it will have no contact with the biden transition. The office of national intelligence classified intelligence briefings are routine for president-elect. But not this time. The white house is instructed federal agencies to continue preparing president trump's budget proposal for the next fiscal year. That that's a proposal that would be issued in february what administration official telling the washington post quote. They're pretending nothing happened. We're all supposed to pretend this is normal and do all this work while we know we're going to have to throw it away and quote. Drug administration is reportedly also continuing to vet new political appointees for jobs in a second trump term. This after the white house warned any current political appointees that they will be fired if they are caught looking for a new job. Because why would you need a new job if this administration is continuing to a second term a day after firing the defense secretary. President trump has installed loyalists in several pentagon top jobs today. The new acting defense secretaries chief of staff will be cash patel who is mostly known for helping republican congressman devin nunes in his attempts to discredit the russia. Investigation trump also installed a guy as undersecretary of defense for policy whom he tried and failed to put into the pentagon earlier this year because he was too controversial. Even for the republican. Senate this political headlines sums it up official who once called obama. a terrorist leader takes over pentagon policy. Okay that's defense. Let's go over to the justice department. No one quite knew what to make of trump's attorney general issuing a memo yesterday authorizing federal prosecutors to immediately start investigating voter fraud but the longtime career official in charge of the justice department's elections crime branch apparently thought the memo was bad enough that he stepped down from his post because of it it is just increasingly so weird even as the biden transition back over here on earth one is staffing up a new administration for the guy who won the trump white house over here on earth to is cleaning house for a second term in office or something. Did they pretend the election didn't happen. Joe biden just going to go away and is it. The trump and his allies are just being in delusional. Denial or is it something more sinister and actual plan to stay in office and use the defense department and the justice department to make that happen. I mean did trump fire his defense secretary as an act of political spite because he wanted to punish him for a perceived lack of loyalty or was there something very very bad that donald trump wanted mark expert to do but he wouldn't so he removed him. Is mike pompeo just kind of joking about a second trump administration to keep the boss. Happy and needle. The press is bill barr just issuing memos that will keep the president and his base happy but won't actually result in any action with this flurry of personnel changes at the pentagon and the national security agency is trump. Just try to install loyalists who will remain and cause trouble in a biden administration. Which would be bad enough or is he planning to use the defense and intelligence apparatus to actually do something in the next seventy one days at the washington post tonight. David ignatius reports that there is a fierce battle underway inside the administration over declassifying intelligence. About what else. Russia in this version of events trump is installing loyalists across the national security apparatus because he wants help releasing information that he thinks will undermine the conclusion that russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen election to help him because trump is still obsessed with that even in the waning days of his presidency. Whatever the reason none of this is good but the question seems to be. Is it just bad or is it really really bad. Well at least one person is professing not to be concerned at all about what the trump administration is up to right now and that person is joe biden we are already beginning the transition we're well underway and the ability for the administration in any way by failure to recognize the win. There's not changed dynamic at all what we're able to do we've announced yesterday as you know the health group that we put together today. We're going to be going moving along in a consistent manner putting together our administration the white house and reviewing who we're going to pick for the cabinet positions and nothing's gonna stop and so i'm confident that the fact that they're not willing to acknowledge we want at this point is not much consequence are and what we're able to do between now and january twentieth. We're going to do exactly what would be doing if he had conceded and said we won which we have and so there's nothing really changing but not ruling out legal action though. I don't see a need legal action. Quite frankly i think the legal action is you're seeing it Play out the actions. He's taking and so far. There is no evidence of any of the assertions made by the president or secretary. State pompeo stay pumpido. Americans that are anxious over the fact that president trump has yet to concede and what that might mean for the country. Well i just think it's chill embarrassment. Frankly the only thing that How can i say this tax. I think it will help the president's legacy how do you expect to work with republicans if they won't even acknowledge you as president-elect woah. Thank you very much all right. That's joe biden broadcasting reassuringly from earth. One where he is president elected. Everything is moving along just fine but like i said there's this whole other world inside the white house moving along in parallel where everyone is pretending that none of this is actually happening. And eventually i'm wondering whether these two worlds collide. How worried should we be about this. Joining me now is vanita gupta president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. Also the former head of the civil rights division in the obama justice department. Gupta good to see you again. Thank you for making time to be here tonight. I'm gonna just pick up where we left off here. We've got these two parallel universes. Where do they head in your opinion. So actually think there's one earth and the other one is some bizarre satellite floating out there. I don't think we should give it credence. Look there's a lot of us. Didn't expect for trump to concede so none of this is a strange or in fact. We predicted this very scenario but the fact of the matter is all of these legal tactics the bar memo the litigation that is losing courts around the country the the really is about disruption disruption. Disinformation so in chaos thinking to undermine the biden win where american voters decided this election. They overwhelmingly voted for biden. Nothing that any of these tactics and rhetoric are going to do is going to change on january twentieth. President ayden will take the President trump will exit the white house. And so we have to make sure that We are understanding these antics. What they are. They are aimed at creating fear that there's some nefarious plot that somehow trump will not leave. It detroit isn't his and american. Voters clearly decided the To just pull up an article. That i was just reading the new york times entitled the times called officials in every state. No evidence of voter fraud quotes from an official frank. Larose republican who serves as ohio secretary of state who says a great human capacity for inventing things that aren't true about elections the conspiracy theories and rumors and all of those things run rampant for some reason elections breed that type of mythology. But the fact is that reporting by the new york times and our reporting here at nbc and everybody else's reporting is that there is slow counting going on. there are complexities from mail in ballots. But no fraud. there's no large-scale fraud being alleged. There's no small-scale fraud being alleged except by donald trump and rudy giuliani and folks like that. Yeah i mean. Don't forget that in two thousand sixteen election that trump actually one he was claiming even then at three to five million. People had voted illegally. No evidence to back it up. He started a you know a scam commission. That also didn't find any evidence. I feel like we have all been saying the same thing for years and years and years and today than your times asked a bunch of election officials and guess what they're saying the same thing to the doj dragnet witch-hunt whatever it is for pr purposes is gonna find the same thing. It really doesn't amount to anything. We should just keep our our focus on. This is all very intentional. It you know it's a shame of course in a disgrace that it is taking republicans so long to actually. Just call bs to be honest with you. It seems like a lot of them are doing this to placate the president. I don't think that that's acceptable. But every day more and more actually coming out in congratulating the president-elect for president-elect biden for his win but this is i don't do. I think this is good for democracy. Now do i think it is aimed at undermining confidence. Especially among trump voters in a biden win and to undermine faith in a biden administration. yes that is harmful. I'm not gonna deny that. I don't think this is good for our democracy. I don't think this is good for our country. It is an embarrassment but at the end of the day does it change the result absolutely not And a lot of us believe that this is exactly what trump was gonna. Do we seventy days until i think until january twentieth hour. We're going to have to put up with a lot of this. But as president-elect biden said today are out folks are moving forward. We've got over ten million cases in this country of covid Since it arrived on our shores people are still dying. There's work to do. There's an agenda substantive agenda to now plan for and get ready for a cabinet that believes in science you know facts and that actually upholds the missions of the agencies that it's gonna be a new day and we have to just be kind of looking forward on that given that american voters decided in. All of this is pure distraction noise and bluster again. Thank you for being with us. Many gupta is the president and the ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. She's the former head of the civil rights division in the obama justice department. Thanks for your time tonight joining me. Now ben rhodes deputy national security adviser under president obama ben. I have a similar conversation with you but about about the national security apparatus. Because there's a little bit of a question here as to what's going on. There's understandable fear on the part of observers about whether donald trump is just playing games with changing people around in the national security and defence establishment. Or whether he's playing with a a military because he thinks he wants to stay in office and expects them to help him do so. Give me some evaluation of what you think is going on on the military and national security side while allah. Here's my evaluation. The people that he's elevated to these roles at dod and at the national security agency are not the kind of people that you would turn to to start a war or even to use the military to stay in power. These are the same conspiracy theorists. It works for devon nunez that had been trying to undermine the russia investigation since the beginning of his administration. It includes the guy who moved that infamous ukraine call onto a secret server to try to hide it. It includes the guy who came up with this whole theory that it was unmasking. Done by obama officials at the root of the russia investigation. These have been debunked theories so to me. The signal he sending is less. He's gonna use the military to stay in power and more that he's going to use the remaining time in office to continue to try to ballot in some fashion his conspiracy theories by selectively releasing classified information. That's what this is about. it's about trying to exonerate. Donald trump for the reality that russia helped him get elected in two thousand sixteen. And it's about trying to undermine the incoming biden administration in some right wing cloud of conspiracy theory scandal. So that's the better news of the two options i gave you. That's the better ones that that he's not planning to use the national security apparatus in the military to stay in office. But how bad is that. Just made the point that not good for democracy. It's not good generally speaking for the country but in the end is it work that can be undone. Donald trump is using his last seventy one days to rile up his base and to to give conspiracy theories spread around. And that'll work in the world social media but in the end will it matter. I think it's really bad alley for reasons number one. These people are completely incompetent unqualified. They no business running. The united states military the pentagon one of the largest perhaps the most powerful institution in the world and you've got a bunch of conspiracy theorists in charge. What if there's a crisis. What if something happens around the world that requires the response. The united states government and the only people left in charge of these people. That's problem one. Thing problem too is that it's relentless conspiracy theorizing you talk about earth. One or two will look a lot of our fellow. Americans live in the information ecosystem birth to and they're just being filled with conspiracy theory in. Hey that's going to seek to de-legitimize joe biden. That's going to seek to kind of wander this information into perhaps republican senate and have investigations. That's going to undermine this station's capacity to solve problems and further. Divide us you touch on something. Really interesting been sorry. I didn't want to interrupt you but you just you did touch on something interesting. The whole point of a peaceful transition of power is that the world knows. That's how it's going to be so. Don't mess with the united between election day and inauguration day because it's all good we've got this thing so up and the two parties are talking to each other the danger of not sending that message israel israel it is absolutely real. Because there's two things you have to a transition. One maintain the credibility. The united states government. So that nobody test from national street perspective to make it easier for the incoming team to hit the ground running on january twentieth. And they were going to do everything they can to prevent that from happening. That's gonna hinder our national sturdy. Because you don't have the capacity of people to get in from the biden transition team get under the hood. Do the work to get up to speed. I also say ally it's discrediting these institutions. Had the the secretary of state say something about we're have a peaceful transition of powder a second trump administration. He wants the department. The state department that usually issues statements expressing concern barn officials seat to stay in power through the kinds of means. We're seeing the united states military. The pentagon having people like this in charge. It's a discredit to that institution. So on his way out. Donald trump is doing what he's done thus far but in a flagrant way. He's kind of debasing. And discrediting the united states. And he's he's putting his own personal interest ahead of the nation men as national security adviser deputy national security adviser you did deal with the military and the one thing that everybody who's actually served in the military or is in the military tells me is that there is no discussion and there will be no discussion about the military helping. Donald trump stay in power if on december thirteenth as expected the electoral college cast ballots for joe biden. As the next president of the united states. he will be sworn in on january twentieth and the military will play no role in keeping donald trump in power one hundred percent. The united states military wants nothing to do with this and ever since that fiasco lafayette park. Where you determine the join. Jesus staff gordon expressed regret apologize for even being a part of that. It's been very clear that the united states military does not want to be pushed into an uncomfortable position. And certainly not by this cast of characters. These people are not in any position to command. Indirect the military To to do that kind of thing. So i think americans joe biden said. Shouldn't worry that. Joe biden is not going to be president on january twenty years. I think there is legitimate reason to worry though but what these people are up to how that discrepancies institutions in how that further. Divide this country in this kind of cesspool of conspiracy theorizing a and scandal-mongering doesn't accomplish anything really except appealing to donald trump's a desire to set a certain narrative as we said last night it will not be months to heal the damage that has been done it may be years some worry generations of benue inviting to make us feel a little safer tonight. Ben rhodes deputy national security adviser under president obama. Thank you sir for making time to be with us tonight all right. Imagine for a second. 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Don't miss special holiday pricing on truly meaningful gifts during the holiday sale at ancestry head to our url at ancestry dot com slash. T are ms to get your ancestry gift today. That's ancestry dot com slash t. r. s. I welcome back. A few of you asked us so. I wanna just clarify something. There is no new news for you to be concerned about with respect to rachel close contact of hers tested positive for covid a few days ago. Nothing changed tonight. I think i might have worded something in an unusual way at the top of the show that made you think otherwise everything is still the same rachel is just quarantining for her own security in everybody and that's why i'm doing this show. Nothing new to worry about Let me talk about what. I was going to talk about. Which is people who don't believe there is any fraud in this election including two republicans who won their senate races. Montana senator steve daines and iowa senator joni ernst. Today made very clear that nope there was no fraud in their senate races. We can probably expect the same line. We'll be taken by north carolina. Republican senator thom tillis. Today won his race after his democratic opponent conceded so far calls to move on and accept the race have come from just a handful of elected. Republicans most including the party's top leaders continuing to go along with if not outright. Endorse the president's baseless claims of voter fraud mitch. Mcconnell today said republican hesitant to accept. The result was neither unusual nor alarming while at the same time suggesting republicans will likely not recognize biden's electoral victory until the electoral college meets next month december thirteenth. The number four republican in the senate today went further. Suggesting trump may have actually won the election. The president wasn't defeated by huge numbers. In fact he may not have been defeated at all some anonymous. Gop officials continue to insist that senate republicans are merely humoring the president and that republicans tight embrace of trump is driven not by fear but by need for his supporters in the to upcoming georgia runoff contests today democratic senator. Chris coons admitted that some republican colleagues have privately asked him to congratulate biden on his win because they can't do so publicly but the questions remain. Just how much damage is being done by. Congressional republicans refusal to accept the election results. And what does it say about the possibility of any any meaningful working relationship going forward with a new president elect joining us now. New jersey senator and as of today the new vice chair of the democratic policy and communications committee cory booker senator. Good to see you. Thank you for being with us. Congratulations on your new leadership. position You and i talked trump and talked about how you were going to go into america suburbs and mess them up for everybody. I don't know if that's on your plans but if you could give me some insight into what's going on with your republican colleagues in the senate right now and why. They are hesitant to congratulate biden. Seem to be believing in private on the on the download that he did win the election. I can't i really can't i. I can understand those calculations but clearly the numbers. Just don't add up. I was not a close election. Joe biden one with the most elect of votes in american history. It was a victory joe biden. He won the popular vote. Victory for joe biden. He won the electoral college. Vote a victory joe biden. He ran one in blue states. So called luke's purple states and he even picked up some So called red states. Joe biden won this election. No matter how you look at it. And the baseless claims and not been proven. The trump administration has lost legal case after legal case in state after state after state. And so this is going to be a challenging time because donald trump doesn't have many stages of grief he just has one right now. Which is denial. And i think that that is going to mean that this is going to be a very rocky a days and weeks ahead but amidst it all. You're seeing something really incredible which is almost a hopeful sign for the resurrection of grace in the white house. You saw joe biden today not take its at the outrageous statements by people like turn compo He didn't even attack donald trump. He showed grace and honor and showed us what expectations can be for president. That is not going to get into the gutter. You know you cannot wrestle with a pig without yourself getting money. He's going to try to take all of us. Democrats republicans independence to a higher level by demonstrating like he did today. Elements of grace and honour. Indecency not falling into argument accusation and reaction. So let's explore that for a second because that is joe biden. Anybody who knows. Joe biden and you you do know. That's that's his self right but there are some people including on my twitter timeline right now and probably yours who would like to see someone wrestle with a pig because 'cause they'd like to see it because there's a lot more wrestling than we expected this may add on december thirteenth. Maybe then donald trump will accept at once. The electoral college has cast its ballots but until then it's kind of outrageous. Look i walk the mall and see who we have built monuments to whether it is a lincoln in the middle of a divided nation doesn't pile on But says with malice toward none with charity towards all. Take someone like martin luther king. They didn't beat a bull. Connor bringing bigger dogs and bigger firehoses but by calling to the moral imagination of a country to dream to aspire to be our best selves. I really believe that this has got to be a moment where we just. Don't see the resurrection of grace in the white house but have to begin to ask ourselves how we can be a part of a civic revival of grace as well because right now our our democracy is hurting it really is is broken. It bruised is wounded and what is going to heal. It is not simply standing up. Like i do and other democrats in a we're right you're wrong but finding ways to stand your ground but also to reach your hand a hand of redemption the hand of a of healing because if we continue in the way of donald trump. We're going to discontinue tear each other down. Which is playing into the hands of our adversaries. The chinese and the russians media are having a field day about the behavior of donald trump and the crisis. He's causing democracy. We are americans and we all need to commit ourselves to the difficult challenge putting more indivisible back into this one nation under god senator. It's may your noble words. Come true may be what actually ends up happening because we can use it. New jersey senator corey booker always appreciate your time. Sir thank you thank. You wanna know how long the last few weeks have been just as amy conybeare was confirmed to the supreme court two weeks ago today. The supreme court with newly seeded justice. Amy conybeare at heard a case that could have an impact on the health care of twenty million americans supreme court reporter extraordinary nina totenberg joins us next from the banana bread phase to the sourdot phase. We've all flexner cooking muscles more now than ever before and to be honest. I'm ready for a break for recipe hunting and dishwashing. So i'm thrilled about our sponsor. Grubhub graduate delivers food to your door safely with contact free delivery or curbside pickup. They got over three hundred thousand restaurants. Nationwide plus perks like always on deals. Free food free delivery and rewards from local restaurants and national favorites. 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The governor of north dakota announced at hospitals in his state are at one hundred percent capacity. Not just in. Parts of the state across the entire state hospitals are completely full because of the surge in kobe positive patients arriving at their doors. The governor says the state is running out of healthcare staff to tend to all those beds and so his authorizing listen to this authorizing co vid positive nurses to care for covid patients. As long as they're a symptomatic and while the situation is particularly dire in north dakota it really is just one snapshot of a picture. That's forming across the country tonight yesterday. Covert hospitalizations in. The united states reached their peak peak actually since july. We continue to clock new case records in this country day after day after day. It's clear it's against that backdrop that republicans were back at the supreme court today trying to take healthcare away from tens of millions of people in this country. The supreme court heard oral arguments today in the latest case championed by republicans to try to strike down the affordable care act. The lawsuit is remarkably backed by the trump administration. It's a us law. The trump administration is supposed to be backing that law. They're actually joining the lawsuit against it. If successful more than twenty million people could be kicked off their health insurance without any alternative foot another way. Twenty million people who currently have health insurance during an uncontrolled public health crisis would suddenly not have it if republicans win at the supreme court during oral arguments today at least five of the nine justices indicated in their remarks that they might reject this latest challenge to the affordable care act. Those justices included not just the liberal minority on the court. But also the chief justice roberts as well as one of the president's picks brad kavanagh now warning reading between the lines of justices. Questioning is a risky game. This case will not be settled once and for all until the court issues. Its official ruling sometime between now and next june. But there's reason for cautious optimism tonight for people who would like the affordable care act obamacare to remain the law of the land joining us. Now nina totenberg legal affairs correspondent for npr and all around supreme court whisperer nina. It is great to see you make sense of this for me. We'll have seen this once before. Because chief justice roberts didn't kill obamacare the last time he had a chance to do so using a legal argument about it. What are we seeing now. This was a little bit like groundhog. Day you've been here before twice. Before there have been cases that were serious challenges to the affordable care act. This was the third one. And i think at minimum there appeared to be five justices. Who clearly weren't ready to strike down the entire law which is what the trump administration and a bunch of republican dominated. States are asking the court to do and they maintain that. It's a very complicated sort of legal question. They maintain that because the congress in twenty seventeen got rid of the penalty. If you didn't have health insurance that because of the tax it's no longer attacks. The dependency is no longer attacks. And that's what saved. Last time was chief justice. Roberts votes saying it looks like a tax it walks like attacks is tax and the congress has the power to levy taxes while it's no longer attacks they said and therefore therefore the law and all the language about a mandate in that single provision of the statute in essentially the rest of the law and the whole thing preexisting conditions medicaid all those provisions should be struck down at the same time and i would say there were enough. They were five justices. Who i think more more than they usually do sent pretty strong signals. That they're not buying that argument. That in the words of chief says mush robertson. Case that you wanna you wanna act with a scalpel. Not not a not a bulldozer. When you're dealing with a congressional act and justice cavanaugh said that during oral arguments. He said quote. It does seem fairly clear that the proper remedy would be to sever the mandate provision. Which you were talking about and leave the rest of the act in place. Provisions regarding pre existing conditions. And the rest. That was what cavanagh said chief. Justice john roberts made a similar point thing. Congress left the rest of the law intact when it lowered the penalty two zero so the the mandate the penalty. It's the same terminology. But they're basically saying if that's the problem they can sever that get rid of it. And the affordable care act the body of it including the provision to cover pre existing conditions can remain and then it would be up to congress to make it work in some fashion to funded the way it needs to be funded well on the chief. Justice sets of even more interesting. He said i think they wanted us to strike it down. But that's not our job. It was a pretty. It was a pretty telling Somewhat snarky comment aimed. I think principally at the trump administration and republicans in congress who who tried to repeal this act over and over and again and failed. They tried fifty plus times or something like that in the robertson. Just saying this is your job not ours. Great to see you as always thank you for being with us. Nina totenberg is npr's legal affairs correspondent and a supreme court expert. Thank you thank you all right. Do you know what you do. Do you know what you're doing for thanksgiving this year. What are you gonna do to make it safe in the middle of this pandemic. it'd be helpful to hear what dr fauci is planning to do. And i'll tell you what that is on the other side thanksgiving. It's an important family holiday. Every family is different. Angie i mean if you have someone in the family an elderly person a person with an underlying condition who whatever that underlying condition may be diabetes. Obesity hypertension someone on chemotherapy. For one reason or other cancer auto immune disease. You really need to make a decision. Do i want to put that person. At an increased risk by having people coming in from all parts of the country usually in a crowded airport without necessarily knowing if they're infected without having time to get tested or time to do quarantine. Make your own decision. What kind of risks are you willing to take. What kind of risks are you willing to take. That's the question on the tape. The nation's top infectious disease expert pose to the entire nation. Today on the subject of thanksgiving just over two weeks away but like we said earlier in the show. Things are bad in america right now. We're well on our way to posting. Two hundred thousand new coronavirus cases every single day more than two hundred and forty one thousand people have died from this virus and deaths are increasing nearly every day with those stats. Any hope we might have of returning to a pre pandemic normal by the holiday. Season is gone. The cdc even updated. Its thanksgiving guidance. Today the agency is now recommending. No travel small gatherings and virtual family get togethers for the big day. The doctor told my colleague andrea mitchell that the for their part will be having a virtual but still festive family meal. Productive ouchi also told andrea that we might have a few things to be thankful for after the holiday on the question of how and when the pfizer vaccine might be distributed widely out. She said that most people or the people most at risk could possibly get the vaccine by the end of the year asked whether he would take the vaccine when it is available to him. Here's what he said. Well i'm going to look at the data. But i trust pfizer. I trust the fda these colleagues of mine for decades the career scientists if they look at this data and they say this data is solid. Let's go ahead and approve it. I promise you andrea. I will take the vaccine and i will recommend that my family take. The vaccine is joining us now. Laurie garrett health policy analyst pulitzer prize winning journalist columnist and foreign policy magazine. she's been my guru for this from the absolute beginning lure you published a an article today and i want to quote from it in october. When the united states was seeing fifty thousand new cases per day the cautious institute for health metrics and evaluation at the university of washington predicted that. By round inauguration day desk could reach twenty two hundred daily with a cumulative total of three hundred and eighty six thousand but since october twenty second announcement the daily infection total has more than doubled and deaths have risen to more than one thousand one hundred per day if these trends go unfettered for more than seventy days. The united states official. Tally could top. Four hundred thousand around. Christmas and deaths might exceed twenty five hundred a day. Hospital wards across the country will be full. And i've learned from laurie. Not to underestimate what you say. You're not an alarmist everything you've said that'll happen has happened. Are you actually worried that this is where we are headed absolutely alley. And what makes it bone. Chilling for me is recognition that we still have seventy one days. The trump administration and they show no inclination to do anything they could slow. This train wreck down. And we're looking at states. All across america that already have full. Hospitals already have exceeded their healthcare worker personnel. In the thing. That's interesting to think about is when you and i first started having these conversations. New york was the epicenter and we had a unique situation. Here in the tri-state area of the east coast united states. We got through it a horrible nightmare but we got through it because doctors and nurses came from all over the country to help us today. What we're in is the situation out of control at least forty three states almost airy place in the country every county is showing an increase in this disease. Nobody can spare healthcare workers. Nobody can spare supplies. Nobody can spare hospital beds. And i hate to say this. Because i don't wanna sound ghoulish but we're approaching the point where no one will be able to spare more personnel and corners. That was the whole issue about the curve. I wanna read again From your article today about the vaccine. Let's be clear about what this study shows so far for ninety percent of the volunteers who got the vaccine. As opposed to the placebo. The infection did not occur for a study period of seven days. Nothing more is known if that protection turns out to be durable for say a full year the pfizer vaccine might be deemed a spectacular success. But nobody's going to wait a year to find out what location of that application is. Whether it's this vaccine visor product the next one up You know waiting to get up at bat. The moderna vaccine or any of a number of others were rushing through and we're going into widespread use with very very short term data. Now good news with this one is. There's no evidence side effects so at least we could probably say it won't hurt anybody but will it provide protection that really keeps you from getting infected with the corona virus for the next year or five years or best yet the rest of your life. We have no idea and we don't even know that getting the corona virus gives you that degree of immunity. The president likes to tell everybody he's superman or whatever it is he says but the science doesn't know as much as that yet. Laurie thanks as always you. And i will continue to talk. And we'll continue to give our viewers the best information we can laurie. Garrett is a health policy analyst a pulitzer prize winning journalist a columnist and foreign policy magazine. I recommend you read today's article. It's a lot of detail. Thank you laurie for being with us. When you become the president of the united states you get to learn all sorts of important classified and top secret information when you leave off as it's not like you unlearn all of that information they can't wipe drive normally. That's not a problem with this president. We should be concerned. Consider for a second all the time to the last four years. The donald trump is used his position as president to leak classified information. There was that time just four months into his presidency when he invited the russian ambassador and foreign minister into the oval office. According to multiple reports trump proceeded to divulge highly classified code word sensitive information to the two russians causing a total freak out among his own career intelligence officials. We're about the time trump decided. He wanted to discuss highly sensitive details about north korea's nuclear weapons program in the middle of an open dining area at his country club where anyone willing to pay the membership fee could just walk right up and listen at least one club. Member actually managed to post a few photos from the meeting on his facebook feed. There was also that time. The president tweeted out a picture of a failed iranian. Satellite launched an experts told. Nbc news very likely classified or how about just recently when trump boasted about a secret american weapons system directly to legendary investigative reporter. Bob woodward the list goes on and on in just seventy one days. Donald trump will transition president to ex-president and once that happens once he leaves office. He will pose a unique national security problem as shane harris at the washington post writes all presidents exit the office with valuable national secrets in their heads including the procedures for launching nuclear weapons intelligence gathering capabilities including assets deep inside foreign governments and the development of new advanced weapon systems. According to harris current and former officials are now starting to worry that trump could expose even more state secrets as soon as he leaves the white house. In fact experts have not ruled out quote that he might trade secrets perhaps in exchange for favors to ingratiate himself with prospective clients in foreign countries or to get back his perceived enemies the post ads when he leaves office. Trump will be facing a crushing amount of debt including hundreds of millions of dollars in loans. That he has personally guaranteed quote now given that and the president's track record it sure makes you wonder what's in store after january twentieth as rachel says. Watch this space. That does it for us tonight. We'll see again tomorrow with the madame show. Weeknights at nine eastern on msnbc msnbc's alley kelsey these days. There's just so much news to wrap your head around. It's hard to know what's most important. That's why we're updating msnbc dot com with special feature on our homepage called msnbc daily. It's a place where you'll find the same type of expert analysis. You're used to getting on tv. But now with a new written perspective section all neatly organized in one place so you can go beyond the headlines and get a deeper understanding of the stories that matter. Most you'll find perspectives written by people uniquely qualified to write them people. You're familiar with from our network like barbara mcquade. Writing about legal matters. Dr kavita weighing in on public health liz plank giving her take on women's rights and gender issues and i'm excited to share that i'll be writing some pieces of my own so visit. Msnbc dot com today and look for our new feature msnbc daily.
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani - Was there an attempted coup?
"Good Morning, America. This is the catch roundtable. John Katzman TD's here. What's going on in Washington? It is shocking to most Americans some of the revelations coming through with us This Morning, America's mayor the president's defender and lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Good morning versa Giuliani. How are you this morning? I'm good, John. How are you? Always always good to talk to you. Mayor giuliani. There's problem in Washington. Most Americans feel that would what other revelations coming out that retrieved summer to work somebody FBI agents did and department of Justice those almost an attempted coup on an elected president. What do you have to say? Well, I think there's enough evidence that that is a theory that has to be pursued by serious investigation. And I am shocked that none of the major newspapers is reporting on it. It's almost a complete confirmation that there's a certain corruption in a lot of our media. Let's let's let's look at what what has been revealed. And we know we know there was a meeting in January of twenty sixteen the election year in the White House with I think the second level. The national Security Council, and and Ukrainian officials purpose of that meeting was too. Well, at least one of the purposes of to get the Ukrainian officials to dig up dirt on Donald Trump, Paul Manafort and members of the Trump campaign. There are a number. I'd say at least two or three Ukrainian officials that have gone on the record. This is not anonymous like, you know, the New York Times usually does it going on the record to to testify about this and a very very good journalist for the hill. John Solomon claims to have a documentary corroboration of we also know that the prosecutor general Ukraine, a man named would Cinco has opened an investigation of how the Clinton campaign and several Ukrainian officials and our embassy in Kiev Ukraine will working. Together to develop negative information on the same group of people and also possibly items that were included in the notorious skill dossier, which turned out to be largely false. So then I could give you four or five more things John this is a lot more evidence than they had when they open the investigation of Donald Trump when they just had one short sentence from popadopoulos that was actually said to him by somebody else. So I'm hoping that there's a full-scale investigation of this. And I really think it's outrageous that it's being ignored by the a lot of the American media. How could something like this happened in this day and age? They feel that nobody will catch up with them. I think they felt immune look at the way Hillary Clinton was treated. I call me. I mean, she certainly had to fix in on that. I think there's no question that people in the Obama administration on not saying I'm not saying a bomber. But certainly ran in Clapper Komi Peter Struck we page his lover, Bruce or address this department, cert-, certainly obvious. They felt they were above the law. And I don't know if you've met these people, but there's certain number of these Trump haters, they believe that anything they do is justify including violating the law in order to save the country from Donald Trump, it's called Trump derangement syndrome, and they pretty much had immunity with the Obama Justice department that wouldn't go near prosecuting any any democrat challenge your feeling about, you know, we have a new attorney general. We have twenty general bar this. He realized what's going on. And all the things that have happened. I haven't talked about it because I don't want that to be any suggestion that anybody is influencing him about this even though that'd be okay. Every citizen could. But I have not talked to him about it. I just know Bill bar from a long time ago. And this is a very very good water. This is a very honest, man. And it's a man who would be outraged by something like this. Whether it happened, you know with Democrats Republicans or who knows who else, which is the way I operated when I was in the Justice department didn't matter if you're Republican democrat is they were allegations. You violated the law. We would investigate you. And mean, Donald Trump was investigated with no allegations that he violated anything, and then it proved after two investigations that. There was no evidence at all of any kind of illegal connection with Russia. The. Item. That most concerning is rod roses from the Justice department is the one that either was very serious and jokingly said, let's tape the president of the United States and try to get him. And he still he's still there. Well, I can't tell you John the what Rosenstein did and didn't do because there's a spirit about what happened with a with Rosen's there. I can tell you that in my dealing with him which would rather far for infrequent. But in his overseeing the investigation he did act as somewhat of a conscience for an operation Imos operation that had no conscience that get on some of the things have been revealed yet did some pretty outrageous things because they thought they could do anything in order to private get President Trump or. Or maybe even to frame, then then I believe that when it's all revealed. Go back to twenty sixteen this whole Russian collusion thing did not happen by accident. I believe there were political enemies of the president who had an ability at the upper levels of some of our most important agencies to corrupt them and to use them to I prevent the president prevent Donald Trump being president. And then as an insurance policy to remove him when I say that I'm putting Peter Struck who where there was a checks mess. Message discovered demonstrating. Well, major Yanni. I mean, the American people are concerned, and you know, like, the old FBI movies are used to say somebody else go to jail to be satisfied that Justice is being done. How do you feel what I feel is? There should be a full and complete investigation being era that you know, the Clintons are above the law that they can obstruct Justice and get away with it big debate going on about those statements in the mellow report where they can't they can't charge obstruction of Justice. They kind of in a very speaking way suggested. Well, when you look at what was in the Hillary Clinton report that is obstruction of Justice. I mean, President Trump did not delete thirty three thousand emails he didn't have someone crush cell phones with hammers. And he didn't have someone bleach bit a server. Those are classic act. Of obstruction of Justice. In fact, President Trump was not guilty of the underlying crime even Mullah concluded that. So he is an innocent, man. And what he was doing was defending himself, and whatever he did. Or didn't do none of it of struck to the investigation. Nothing was destroyed. Nothing was bleach. That no information was denied all the text messages reports memo's how about one point four million pages of documents turned over five hundred witnesses no one in any way, stopped. So you compare the two things that you said he is how can they be seriously talking about obstruction of Justice moon? Hillary Clinton went scot-free, destroying thousands and thousands of pieces of evidence. I mean, Jerry Nadler should be ashamed of himself. He's such a phony. He was the one who didn't think the Clinton reports should come out and Clinton was guilty. Of perjury. And he wants this report out, even though they can't find a climb to charge you absolutely right, mayor Giuliani, America's mayor in the president's defender. Thank you so much for calling in this Sunday morning. And let's talk again real soon. This. This is John. Thank you. This is the catch mount table. We'll be right back.
STEMinists: Ynes Mexia
"Hello from wonder media network. I'm jenny kaplan and this is encyclopedia. Will manteca are stems. Today was an extraordinary botanist writer and lecturer collected over one hundred. Forty five thousand samples of plants. She traveled all over the western hemisphere collecting plants and advocating for the rights of indigenous people. In the places she visited particularly notable that she did all this despite the fact that she didn't start her work in the field until the age of fifty five. Let's talk about ns mahia inez. Henriqueta julia to mahia was born on may twenty fourth eighteen seventy in washington. Dc in as his early life was not particularly easy. Her parents divorced when she was quite young and her father moved back to mexico on their own anez and her mother. I moved down to texas before eventually. Moving back east to philadelphia and then finally to her mother's native maryland as a child. Ns was an introvert and children fondness for the outdoors but she would not find the field botany until much later in her life. At first she considered becoming a nun but her father who came from a prominent mexican family said that she would not receive her inheritance if she chose that path instead. Inez moved to mexico when she finished school and worked on her father's ranch around the year. Eighteen ninety eight. Inez married a man. She met in mexico city not long after her father passed away and he knows took over management of the ranch in nineteen four unisys husband died two s married again to disastrous effect. Her second husband eventually brought the family ranch to financial ruin. This situation took a serious toll on analysis mental health and she decided to go to san francisco to seek medical attention in san francisco. Ns sought a fresh start as a social worker. She also found a new passion environmental activism. she became involved in the sierra club. A grassroots environmental organization and the save the redwoods league her involvement in those organizations inspired nez at the age of fifty one to go back to school in nineteen twenty one. She enrolled at uc berkeley to study. Botany if it's rare now to see someone go back to school at that age it was even more rare than but he nez had found her calling in nineteen twenty five. Inez went on a trip to mexico. The group traveling from stanford she found the group was holding her up so she said off on her own and over. The course of two years collected fifteen hundred botanical specimens including the emphasis mexicanos. The first of what would be many plants named after her. Inez was hooked thus began a thirteen year career. In botany with the assistance of curator's experts who helped nez refine her skills at specimen preparation preservation. Labeling an exhibition financing has traveled extensively to locate and collect plants including exhibitions to argentina brazil ecuador and peru among other destinations she traveled solo and with local guides which also sparked her advocacy for indigenous communities. Anez as wrote a well known collector and explorer stated very positively that it was impossible for a woman to travel alone in latin america. I decided that if i wanted to become better acquainted with the south american continent the best way would be to make my way right across it. S his work was not always what people would deem comfortable. Many found it shocking. That a woman in her fifties especially at that time spent months in the field sleeping outdoors and traveling by horseback in nineteen twenty eight. Inez traveled to alaska to become the first botanist to collect specimens. What's now denali national park. After that trip she took another particularly notable exhibition on the amazon river. She traveled twenty five thousand miles on a steamship. Five thousand miles by canoe in some additional distance by raft throughout the trip she collected sixty five thousand specimens over the course of her career. Inez collected one hundred and forty five thousand specimens including five hundred that were previously undiscovered in the field of botany. She also wrote and gave lectures about her work and travels in one thousand nine thirty eight as was diagnosed with lung cancer. She died shortly after her diagnosis. She was sixty eight years old. She left most of her money to the sierra club and the save the redwoods league as mahia veered from the expected path and forged a new one for women in her field. She found what she loved late in life and made the most of it embarking on an impressive career and leaving a lasting legacy all month. We're talking about stems for more on why we're doing what we're doing. Check out our newsletter. We'll monica weekly. Follow us on facebook and instagram at encyclopedia britannica. And you can find me on twitter at jenny. M kaplan special things to liz. Caplan my favorite sister and co creator as always. We'll be taking a break for the weekend. Talk to you on monday before you go. I want to tell you about another show. I think you might like tally. Farhadi and weinstein is a candidate to become the next district attorney of manhattan. She believes in building a criminal justice system driven by empathy humility and accountability. But how she'll start by listening on. Hearing tally a veteran of the obama justice department and former general counsel to the brooklyn district attorney hosts thoughtful conversations with policy experts. Journalists and community members. Criminal justice reform isn't theoretical. It's an urgent project real consequences. Tali invites you to join her. She carves a path to a fair and fearless future. Checkout hearing wherever you get your podcasts.
Democracy Now! 2019-05-10 Friday
"I am Amy Goodman, if you're tuning into this podcast right now, you know, that democracy now is news. You can trust democracy now is independent which means we're funded by you, not the oil gas and coal companies when we cover climate change or the weapons manufacturers when we cover war and peace not the insurance industry when we cover healthcare. No, we're brought to you by viewers listeners readers like you committed to independent information right now, a generous supporter will double your donation to democracy. Now, that means if you donate fifteen dollars, we get thirty dollars. Take advantage of this generous offer and go to democracy now dot ORG to make your donation today. Thank you so much. From pacifica. This is democracy. Now when it comes to hide. Tari every mission is to go after one person. But anybody else's killed in that strike is just blanket blanketing assumed to be an associate of the targeted individual. I you s drone war. Whistle blower has been arrested and charged with violating the espionage act. We'll hear from former air force airman. Daniel HALE in his own words, and speak to the Pulitzer prize winning journalist, James Reisen director of I look media press freedom defence fund. Daniel HALE is at least the six alleged journalistic source, charged by the Trump administration over the past two years, then as a nation prepares to celebrate mother's day. We look at black mamas fail out day have set out with a vision in an intention to Bellas many black mamas as possible. We know that about eighty percent of black women that are sitting in cages right now are single parents. Caretakers, and we look at the turmoil within the National Rifle Association following the ouster of former Iran contra figure Oliver North as the group's precedent. The new story associations deep trouble. And it's telling people that it's deeply trouble because of overzealous. Prosecutors regulators Democrats saying that we're in financial peril because we're we're being attacked from out the outside when an actually the NRA's real problems are from within the NRA imploded as match shootings continue around the country all that and more coming up. Welcome K democracy. Now democracy now dot org. The warrant pace report. I made me Goodman, the Trump administration's impose tariffs of twenty five percent over two hundred billion dollars of Chinese goods. Even as trade talks between the US and China continue in Washington DC, the new tougher tariffs went into effect. Just after midnight eastern time today, prompting Chinese trade officials to promise immediate counter-measures against you a sec sports at the White House. President Trump claimed China undermined recent trade talks by seeking renegotiation did get less night verb beautiful letter from presidency. Let's work together. Let's see if we can get something done, but they renegotiated the deal. I mean, they took whether it's intellectual property theft. They took many many parts of that deal. And they renegotiated you can't do that. Trump says he's preparing to order. Tariffs on virtually all Chinese imports some five hundred v some five hundred forty billion dollars worth of products. Brought into the US cheer talks between the US trade officials and their Chinese counterparts are set to continue today in Washington President Trump's nominated Patrick Shanahan to become the next secretary of defense Shanahan has been acting Pentagon chief since Trump fire James Mattis at the start of the year last month and internal Pentagon ethics investigation cleared Shanahan following accusations. He unfairly favored the weapons contractor Boeing where he spent over three decades as an executive former US intelligence analyst was arrested Thursday and church with violating the espionage act for allegedly leaking documents about the secretive US drone program thirty one year old. Daniel HALE was arrested in Nashville, Tennessee, he faces up to fifty years in prison. Hale was enlisted in the air force from two thousand nine to two thousand thirteen. During which he worked with the national security agency and the joint special operations task force at the bog REM airbase in Afghanistan where he helped identify targets for Sassa nation. He later worked as a contractor for the national geospatial intelligence agency Hal is accused of disclosing eleven top secret or secret documents to a reporter the indictment does not name the reporter. But unnamed government sources have told media outlets. The reporter is investigative journalist. Jeremy Scahill of the intercept after headlines will go to Maryland to speak with the intercept senior national security correspondent Pulitzer prize winning journalist James rice him in northern Virginia. Famed US army whistle blower Chelsea Manning was released from federal prison Thursday after spending sixty two days behind bars for refusing to testify to a grand jury. Manning had been subpoenaed to answer questions about her leak of hundreds of thousands of secret State Department and Pentagon documents to Wicky. Leaks, including evidence of US war crimes. The grand jury ultimately disbanded Manning's freedom. Could be short lived her lawyer said in statements, she will again refused to testify in response to a separate subpoena in northwestern Syria. Dozens of people have been reported killed midst. Heavy airstrikes by Russian and Syrian warplanes among the dead or the parents and siblings of two year old cut DJ hummed on who is the sole survivor of an airstrike that flattened her home in leave province, the UK based Syrian observatory for human rights Syrian forces have dropped over a dozen barrel bombs in recent days, and it live backed by scores of Russian airstrikes, which have hit schools and hospitals. The United Nations has called for an urgent de escalation of fighting in Iraq, the Islamic state claimed responsibility for a bombing in Baghdad solder city district Thursday that it says killed eight people and wounded more than ten others. The attack came just two days after. Secretary of state Mike Pompeo made a surprise visit to Baghdad to discuss Iran's presence in Iraq in northern France. Human rights activists are tempting to block thirties from loading French weapons onto a Saudi vessel saying the shipment would be used to kill civilians in Yemen in violation of an international arms treaty about one hundred protesters turned out Thursday at the port of lab ahead of the arrival of the Saudi ship as lawyers for two separate human rights groups sued to prevent the shipment. The protests came after a French news site reported French-made tanks and laser guided missile systems were being used by the Saudi led coalition against civilians in Yemen's war this John. Paula cook, a member of the French National Assembly who joined Thursday's protest again. We warn Yemen is difficult war turned into supporters of Saudi Arabia. If we the French citizens do not act if we don't try to stop arm sales. We will end up as accessories to this business. We don't want this. We don't want. To be in the situation. The French president should be elected decide on his own. If France can sell or not sell weapons, this decision should belong to European democracies and parliament that Trump administration said Thursday seized a North Korean cargo vessel that was being used to transport coal and violation of US and United Nations. Sanctions the ship was first seized by anisia over a year ago. It's now being moved to US territory and American Samoa the announced seizure of the ship came just after North Korea test fired a pair of short range missiles. Amidst a breakdown in denuclearization talks with US in Washington. DC authorities cut off water and electricity Venezuela's embassy activists with code pink and other organizations continue around the clock occupation in order to prevent a takeover of the building by Venezuela's US-backed opposition the activists entered the embassy in late April at the invitation of government opposition groups led by glide. Oh and backed by the Trump administration of. Pledge to take over the building so far police and secret service agents have arrested nine activists, including Jerry condone seventy two year old Vietnam war veteran and the president of veterans for peace was violently tackled and press to the pavement Wednesday by five officers after he tried to bring food to protesters occupying the embassy known was left bleeding from the head and needed medical treatment. He's been charged with throwing a missile resisting arrest and assaulting police officers attempted to get food inside the building Alabama state Senate delay vote Thursday on a law that would ban virtually all abortions after a rancourous floor debate that so lawmakers repeatedly shout in protests, the Bill would make providing an abortion class a felony punishable by up to ninety nine years in prison. Alabama Senate minority leader, Bobby singleton objected after Republican leader sought to remove amendments from the abortion ban that would've allowed exemptions in cases of rape or incest. Mr pro. Mega bowl shoot. He might motion motion motion. He made a motion singleton and other Democrats also protested when Republican leaders attempted to pass amendments on a voice vote. They demanded a role coal. So that lawmakers votes would be put on the record. This is Andrea Miller, president of the National Institute of reproductive health. I mean, the reality is what happened in the Alabama Senate just shows how high the stakes are right now when a state is planning to ban all abortions outright, and not only eliminate access to abortion care for the people in their state, but in an effort to eliminate it for everyone all across the country because they hope they'll be the ones to bring the case to the supreme court that will overturn or severely viscera Rovers as weighed in Colorado, the mother of sems- student the mother of stem student at the school highlands ranch. Says she tried to warn school officials last year about the potential for violence at the Denver area high school, but was ignored the school was the site of mass. Shooting tuesday. When a pair of students armed with handguns went on a shooting spree killing eighteen year old student Kendrick STO and injuring eight others CNN reports the mother whose remaining anonymous coal the school board in December warning of crushing academic workload leading to violent sexual assaults and bullying on campus. She said, quote, those of the elements that we need for the perfect storm for something like Columbine or some kind of imminent threat to our children's safety in the school. Whether it be a bomb or an active shooter or a suicide unquote stem school officials disputed the claim and even follow the lawsuit against the unnamed mother in January over what they called the family statements and Facebook, cofounder Chris uses calling on the federal government to break up. The social media giant whiting? And a lengthy new New York Times opinion piece published Thursday Hughes cited past antitrust actions. That broke up stay. Oil AT and T. He wrote, quote, I'm disappointed in myself and the early Facebook team for not thinking more about how the news feed algorithm could change our culture influence elections and empower nationalist leaders, and I'm worried that Mark Zuckerberg has surrounded himself with a team that reinforces his beliefs instead of challenging them, unquote. He was bed comes just weeks after Massachusetts Senator and twenty twenty hopeful Elizabeth Warren unveiled a plan to break up tech giants including Facebook, Google, and Amazon, and those are some of the headlines, this is democracy now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I make Goodman, a former US intelligence analyst was arrested Thursday and charged with violating the espionage act for legendary leaking documents about the secretive US drone program. Thirty one year old Daniel hell was arrested in Nashville Tennessee, he faces up to fifty years in prison. Hell was enlisted in the air. Force from two thousand nine to two thousand thirteen during which he worked with the national security agency and the joint special operations task force at the bottom airbase enough ghanistan where he hoped identify targets to be assassinated. He later worked as a contractor for the national geospatial intelligence agency hails accused of disclosing eleven top secret or secret documents to a reporter the indictment is not named the reporter. But unnamed government sources have told media outlets. The reporter is investigative journalist. Jeremy Scahill of the intercept in two thousand fifteen the intercept published a special report called the drone papers, exposing the inner workings of the US military's assassination program and Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia the publications findings were later turned into a book called the assassination complex inside the government's secret drone warfare program. In a statement, the intercepts editor in chief Betsy Reid said quote the. Intercept is not comment on matters relating to the identity of anonymous sources in an indictment unsealed on may ninth. The government alleges documents on the US drone program where leaked to a news organization. These documents detailed secret unaccountable process for targeting and killing people around the world, including US citizens through drone strikes. They are of vital public importance and activity related to their disclosure is protected by the first amendment read went on to say, quote, the alleged whistle blower faces up to fifty years in prison. No one has ever been held accountable for killing civilians in drone strike. She said after leaving the air force in two thousand thirteen Daniel HALE began publicly speaking out against the drone program in November two thousand thirteen he spoke at a drone summit in Washington DC organized by code pink before begin one less thing you'd like to. Away say on. I'm sorry. I'm not a pure for any good reasons. And to the people in audience who. Are victims or who are families of victims or families who live in countries of where u s militarism and specifically on man systems are conducting Connectik strikes. On sorry because up here. Because I was for time short period of time during military career as a analysts working with unmanned systems, deployed to Afghanistan, and the very least you deserve an apology in January two thousand fourteen Daniel HALE spoke at a rally outside the White House calling for the closing of the US military prison at Guantanamo. Everybody. My name's Daniel hill. I was veteran. United States Air Force from two thousand nine till two dozen thirteen through my experience in my deployment to ghanistan where I was primarily test with pursuing high value targets to the year of unmanned systems or otherwise known as drones I came to learn of the thousands of prisoners who remain at the prison in boggling air force base to this day who are in similar situations to those when Tano who are continually held indefinitely benign or otherwise petty offenses or reasons not given to to them whatsoever. Daniel HALE was also featured in the documentary national bird about drone warfare whistle blowers. It was directed by Sonya Kenna back people defend drones and defend the way that they're used. They always say, you know, they protect American lies by not putting them in harm's way. What they really do. They just in bold commanders theme. Bolden decision-makers because there is no threat. There is no immediate consequence that can do the strike, and they can potentially kill this person. They're so desperate to get into eliminate because how dangerous potentially dangerous that could be the US. But if it just happens that they don't kill that person or some other people involved in the strike killed as well. There's no consequence or. When it comes to high-value tardy every mission is to go after one person time, but anybody else killed in that strike is just blankly assumed to be a soc it of the targeted individual. So as long as they can reasonably identify to all people in the field of view of the camera. Our military aged mills me anybody who's believed to be of age sixteen or older. They are legitimate target under the rules in the -ment. If the strike occurs and kills all of them. They just say they got him all drone whistle blower. Daniel HALE speaking in the documentary national bird in August, two thousand fourteen the FBI raided hails house. But the Obama Justice department never filed charges in the film. Hell spoke about the possibility of being indicted, personally, I just live every day trying to become more and more comfortable with the idea that it's probably going to happen that I'm probably going to get indicted in probably going to get charged with a crime, and that there's probably real change. They'll have to fight to stay prison. Those are the words of drone whistle blower. Daniel HALE who is arrested in Nashville on Thursday after peering in court. He was released under pretrial supervision. His next court hearing may seventeenth according to the freedom of the press foundation HALE is at least the six alleged journalistic source. Charged by the Trump administration over the past two years where now joined by the Pulitzer prize winning journalist James Reisen, he's a former New York Times reporter who's now the intercept senior national security correspondent, he's also director of I look media's press freedom defence fund. I look the parent company of the intercept Reisen himself was involved in a high profile press freedom case involving former CIA officer Jeffrey sterling who was jailed after being convicted under the espionage act for speaking with Reisen, James Reisen, welcome back to democracy. Now, it's great to have you with us. I can you respond to the arrest of Daniel HALE. Well, I think I can't come at specifically on this case. But I what I can say is that this is a yet another esscalation of the war on the press by the Trump administration. Donald Trump has taken the war on the press that George Bush and Barack Obama started and his now escalated beyond anything we've ever seen. And he the Justice department under Trump has been so thoroughly politicized that they are going after every possible whistle blower reporter and any kind of leak that they can find in order to silence, the press and silence whistle blowers who are trying to reveal the truth about both the national security state and other aspects of the Trump adminis-. Station. Now, can you explain why why it is? You think he was arrested? Now what they are alleging happened something like five years ago under the Obama Justice department, which decided not to charge. Daniel hale. That's that's why why I'm saying I think this is part of Trump's escalation of the war on the press beyond anything we've seen before that going back over every possible leak. They can find over every old open case and trying to to escalate things beyond. What Obama did, you know? I think you saw that with the Julian Assange case where you know, the Obama administration had investigated him for years and never taken the final step of indicting him. And, you know, then the Trump administration did so so I think you're seeing that, you know, the dress the Justice department, which has been under such enormous pressure from Trump on a wide range of issues, particularly the Russia investigation where he is constantly been pressuring one attorney general after the other I think that the Justice department finds it much easier. To give into him on leak investigations than on other things. They're happy to go after journalists and their sources, and so they're they're satisfying Trump's demand to punish the press for what he you know. He he doesn't like bad press. He gets a lot of bad press. And so he's going after the trying to punish the presses. The in the ways that he knows he can. You know that Daniel HALE faces up to fifty years in prison while no one has been accountable for the held accountable for the killing of civilians in drone strikes. Let's specifically talk about what? Daniel HALE is accused of revealing what his time enough ghanistan was all about significance of his revelations. I think one of the one of the things we have to understand is that there's been virtually no debate in the United States over the drone program over the assassination programs that the United States has engaged in both in Afghanistan and Iraq elsewhere since the war on terror began. And one of the only things that the only way we understand what has happened is through the press and through disclosures from people in the government who have told us what the secret programs are like if if it wasn't for people like Daniel, HALE whistle blowers who came forward, you would have virtually no understanding of the entire war on terror and in particular the drone strike program. It's only through the disclosures in the. Press that we have understood what's happening. And that's the only reason we've had any debate at all people in congress have been very reluctant to engage in any kind of discussion of classified information and tell it's in the press, and so most of the oversight that you see on these programs only comes because there have been disclosures in the press that, you know, people have stepped forward with some courage to explain what's happened. You know, I've if you look back the entire at the beginning the entire war on terror was classified, and it's only through a lot of different disclosures. In the press that we understand what the war on terror was re has really been about. I wanted to turn to intercept co-founder your colleague, Jeremy Scahill, speaking about the drone papers. Not now the investigation that the intercepted and again, Jeremy skate hill was not named in the indictment. But this is Jeremy speaking about the drone papers on democracy now in two thousand and fifteen what we've published is an extensive look into how this program has operated, historically, but specifically under President Obama one of the most significant findings of this my colleague core Currier, really dug deep into this is we published for the first time the kill chain. What the bureaucracy of SAS nation looks like, and what you see is that all of these officials, including people at the Treasury Secretary are part of signing off on all of this where they have these secret meetings, and they discuss who's gonna live and die around the world. And at the end. Of that process. It is the president of the United States who signs what what amounts to a death warrant for whoever they've decided to die based on what amounts to a parallel secret judicial system in the United States that is not really subjected to any kind of judicial review where the president act sort of as emperor issues an edict that you die, and what we show, and this is the first time that that there's documentary evidence of this is that the president gives the military sixty day window to hunt down and kill these individuals, Ken Roth from Human Rights Watch pointed out today, if the standard is that the people who are being targeted for assassination is that they represent an imminent threat. Which is what the president says the US policy is than why do they have sixty days to do it? Why don't they need to do it? Now, if it's imminent. Well, that's because they've redefined the term imminent to to be so vague as to not even resemble. It's actual commonly. Understood definition, gearing his teeth fifteen interview on D'amoto. Proce-? Now, I asked journalist Jeremy Scahill about his sources for the drone, papers expose. This is a very brave Wissel blower, and this administration has been relentless in its war against whistle blowers. And you know, I mean Chelsea Manning is rotting right now in prison cell for exposing US war-crimes Edward Snowden is in exile Thomas, Drake and Bill binney. You know, had we're smeared in public and had the reputations ruined. Jeffrey sterling is imprisoned right now, you know, this our sources of incredibly principled brave individual. And you know, I I worry because the government is this government has been relentless in its pursuit of people of conscience who blow the whistle, and it's characterized them as traitors and spies. And in the process has criminalized the ability to do independent journalism that is meant to hold them accountable. The government accountable without fear that your sources or in some cases, the journalists themselves are going to be. Putting the crosshairs of the so-called Justice system. So that's Jeremy scale speaking in two thousand fifteen when the whole drone expose drone, were expose was printed in the intercept. Now, again, the Justice department does not name the interceptor Jeremy Scahill in the seventeen page indictment, but media outlets have quoted senior Trump administration officials saying it's Jeremy Scahill and the intercept. So also interesting that Jeremy references Chelsea Manning being in jail that was then in two thousand fifteen she was sent back to jail. She just came out yesterday after sixty two days after a grand jury to spended, and she couldn't be held any longer, but James rice, and if you can talk about the emphasis that media outlets around this country are putting on who was Daniel HALE who did he leak the documents to? To as opposed to the content of what he was leaking. And what you are saying the intercept. Right. I think one of the things that for many years has really bothered me is the way the media that the mainstream media covers leak investigation stories they cover it as if there's a hunt for a criminal rather than a story about a whistle blowers coming forward with to perform a public service. And that's always bothered me. In the way, the press covers these things it says if they're joining in with the Justice department and the prosecutor in hunting down a Bank robber or something. And so I think that's a fundamental flaw in the way, the press covers these things is that they look at it as a crime rather than as an attack by the Justice department on the press in the United States, which is what this is this is yet another attempt by Trump following up on the Obama and the Bush administration's too. To do similar things to silence the press into silence whistle blowers on a very important issue. Which is is how does the United States? Go about deciding who lives in dies around the world. I mean, it's a frightening power that we in the United States have somehow by default given to the president and to the CI in the air force. And it's very scary to me that so few people at both in the media, and the general public have been willing to engage in a real significant debate about this fundamental issue of who lives in dies. And I think part of it is that the drone program allows the United States to do this with very low casualty rates and to engage in wars around the world. By remote, control. And that has we have allowed that to continue because it's very convenient and easy for Americans to forget that it's happening. And I think the drone papers project by the intercept was a major public service to expose the way in which this this occurs becomes the third person charged with allegedly leaking information to the intercept the others are former air force linguists reality winner and former FBI agent Terry Aubrey who leaked classified information about how the F B I aggressively targets potential informants. Now, interestingly, the the indictment does not name the intercept or Jeremy scale, which suggests they don't actually have the evidence there. But of course, the Trump administration is leaking their names. Do you think they are trying to target to take down the intercept by a making it an unsafe place for whistle blowers to turn to? I don't know about that. And I can't comment specifically as I said on this case, but what I can say is that the intercept has continued to do very aggressive national security reporting throughout this the last few years, and it's continuing to do so now, and we're still working on major very aggressive very sensitive national security projects that hopefully will will appear in the future. And I think if anybody thinks that it's possible to silence us than they don't know. They don't know anything about us. What is the significance of hail being charged under the espionage act specifically? The espionage act has been used both by this administration. And by the Obama administration's to it's very crude weapon from the World War One era in which the government is able to take this very vague law that was designed in the red baiting after World War One and then for the McCarthy era of conducting communist era investigations, and they've turned it instead of an use instead of using it against spies. They now use it against people who talk to the press. And so basically the message that they're sending is that talking to a reporter is the same as being a spy, which is a ridiculous abuse of the legal system. And it's something. That I feel very strongly about that has to change in this country. If we're going to maintain an independent press. I mean as the way in which the espionage act is used is. It's a very crude weapon to try to silence. Silence people. I mean, the New York Times the Washington Post had been hailed as heroes, for example, when it came to the Pentagon papers Daniel Ellsberg it wasn't. You know, how dare these papers do this? It's that these papers dare to defy those. They hold and pow accountable and those in power at the time, it was Richard Nixon. Can you talk about the difference, then and also briefly tell us what happened to you? This wasn't during the Trump years. This was what happened to you during the Obama years, and this wasn't when you were at the intercept but at the New York Times. Right. Yeah. I mean, I was. I was subpoenaed by the Justice department for a grand jury subpoena that several times, and I refused to testify leak investigation involving stories I did on Iran and the CIA and Finally I. I was subpoenaed to go to both the grand jury, and then a trial, and I fought those for seven years and appealed to the supreme court and lost ultimately. But I decided to continue to fight it, even though we had lost in the courts and in two thousand fifteen the government finally backed down and decided not to put me in jail for not testifying. The that led me that experience which lasted seven or eight years led me to feel very strongly that we have to have some organizations in this country that protect. Journalists and their sources, and we have to have more aggressive news organizations that continue to investigate the national security state in ways that some news organizations are no longer willing to or are reluctant to do. And that's one reason I'm very proud of the intercept. I think we have continued very aggressive investigative reporting in the face of a lot of obstacles. And at a time. When a lot of other news organizations are not doing. So do you think that the other news organizations are hanging the intercept out to dry? Do you feel you're getting enough support from other news organizations? Well, you know to me that doesn't matter frankly, I don't care what other people say about me or about the intercept. I think we're just gonna keep trying to do our jobs, and I think we should let our work speaks for itself. And I think that's that's what I'm going to try to do and in the future. People can try to match our stories let's end with the words of drone whistle blower and former air force intelligence analysts Daniel HALE himself, speaking in the two thousand sixteen documentary national bird, directed by son. You kinda back when the president gets up in front of the nation and says that they're doing everything they can to ensure that there's near certainty that there will be no civilians killed. He is saying that because he can't say otherwise because any time in action is taken to. Finish a target. There is a certain amount guesswork in that action. Because it's only in the aftermath of any kind of ordinance being dropped that you know, just how much actual damage was done. And oftentimes we the the intelligence community is reliant the joint special operations command. The included is reliant on intelligence coming afterwards that confirms that who they were targeting was killed in that strike or they weren't killed in that strike again that is Daniel HALE. This was from two thousand sixteen before what happened yesterday the former US intelligence analyst arrested Thursday and charged with violating the espionage act for allegedly leaking documents about the secret of US drone program. He was arrested Nashville faces up to fifty years in prison. The film came out in two thousand sixteen this is democracy. Now when we come back this weekend. It's national black mamas bailout day. We'll go to Atlanta. Find the latest with us. So. Me being. Land. Many thinking. Becky. The acclaimed Mexican singer Leila downs performing here in our democracy now studios cover of the minute shell classic clandestine. Oh, visit democracy now dot org to see your full performance. An interview this is democracy. Now, I made me good minutes mother's day this weekend, racial Justice groups around the country are bailing out black women out of jail. So they can spend the holiday with their families for the third year in a row black mamas, bailout days, raising money to bail out as many black women from jail as possible the efforts taking place in dozens of cities to call attention to the injustice of cash bail on Thursday afternoon to organizers, Kyla Hartsfield and Serena Sebring chain themselves to a gate at the Durham county jail to protest cash bail policies one of their supporters, grace Nichols spoke to local station. W N C N folks are looking jobs because they can't afford to get out now because they've actually been convicted of a crime, I'm so we would like to bring attention to this. Rainstorm and show folks that it that is unjust. That was North Carolina. The national bailout collective has helped post bail for more than three hundred individuals across the country since black mamas bailout day launched. There's been a growing national movement to eliminate cash bail from the criminal Justice system for more. We're going to Atlanta Georgia where we're joined once again by Mary hooks, the co director of southerners on new ground or song, which is part of the national bailout collective and the movement for black lives, Mary hooks, welcome back to democracy. Now talk about mother's day. What you're doing my friend again. So we're excited to kick for third annual black mothers day bellowed continue to highlight. The crisis of what's happening to black women who are stuffed in cages because they don't have money to pay their bail. We see that this growing movement is an indication that so many people want to see changes happen as relates to pretrial detention. And this this opportunity to bail out people into collectivize resource. In order to to it is also an indication that many people are saying that the solutions to the issues that are happening in our community actually, lie within our communities. We've been able to do so much of the last two years together through the national belau collective and several organizations who have built political alignment around. What we mean when we say we want to in cash bell and preach out attention. So we want to see a need space approach to ending cash bail unto make sure that people can get back to court, and it continues to floor me the ways in which people continue to show up for this initiative. And yeah, we're looking to change policy, but we're also looking to change hearts and minds as we continue to move this process of billing mothers out and continuing to build the infrastructure. We need in our communities to get our people out of cages and support our people as they go through the court system. You've certainly kicked off a national movement. Reality television star Kim Kardashian west has reportedly help release seventeen people from prison in the last three months as part of a ninety days of freedom campaign Kardashian west quietly helped fund team female attorneys working to free first time non violent drug offenders. She's also reportedly studying eighteen hours a week to take the bar exam and become a lawyer herself of talk about the significance of this. And of course, Kim Kardashian as the ear of President Trump was in the White House. Well, you know, I think as you stated Kim Kardashian has quietly done this. And it's the media, however that continues to draw attention to her her efforts. But I wanna take the time to shot out miss, Cody Misbah net who has been doing this work for years, and those are the two black women lawyers who have, you know, put a lot of sweat in the game in order to continue to free folk from cages and so shot out to Kim for continuing to cash in her white privilege to do what must be done for the sake of other folks liberation and efforts like that should continue to happen. And we should see other entertainers and celebrities get up undergraduates movements and the work. That's being led by black women queer and trans people to free up people talking about what happened in Durham, North Carolina. Yes. So was engaged in a mother stay Bill out as well. And as we continue to people out because we again, must do it. We have to do it must be done. We oftentimes see a local policymakers judges excetera who continued to shell out small solutions to a very big problem. And Durham right now, there are judges who want to implement risk assessment want to continue to use bell schedules. None of those things benefit our communities, and so part of our work is to agitate an escalate the crisis. And so what my to come ratcheted yesterday and chain themselves to the gates of the jail was to say not today. Not today that these attacks are happening daily on our communities, and if we can if we can intervene an interrupt of that violence that's taking place than that's what that's what we're going to do. And so, you know, the brave comrades there and all of those allies who who who? Did a sit in inside of the jail folks took to the street and shut down the street like guess, we wanna out black mothers and continue to show love and that way, and we also show one out. So I love the resistance that we bring to the streets. And we bring to this issue to continue to push policymakers locally state wide nationally to continue to listen to what we have to say. An and and and really take the solutions in the community base Aleutians and called as we call for divestment from the courts cops in cages and investment and community based resources and community based support for our people the family of Sandra bland is calling for thirties to reopen its investigation interred death twenty year old African American woman died in Texas jail cell in two thousand fifteen three days after she was arrested for allegedly failing to signal, Elaine. Change thirties have claimed central bland took her own life while. Jail by hanging herself with garbage bag, but our family's long rejected this claim on Monday. The Dallas TV station W FAA, aired cell phone video filmed by Sandra blend herself, capturing the moment when she was pulled over in the thirty nine second video, you can see the officer, Brian and Scindia drawing his stun gun and saying I will light you up. Out of the Clore Nanno. Why am I being apprehended? You're trying to give me a failure. Why am I being every handed you just open my car door, you just open my car door? So you you drag me out of my own car. You know, the clue and. Wow now. Well, the cool failure to save. No. You're doing all of this for over there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Let's take disaccord. That's doing it for failure to sing yet for failure to say. School get off the phone. I have a right before this is my property this property, sir. Who it's your phone down? Attorneys for the bland family say the cellphone video proves the officer lied when he had claimed he felt his safety was in jeopardy when he pulled over Sandra bland now she was then put in jail, she couldn't afford the five hundred dollar bail. I think it was like five thousand dollar bond in jail for three days. And then they say she took her own life, which your family disputes, Mary hooks. This is unacceptable and the same ways in which our people do not have every right to distrust, the police that same level of distrust is also for the court system. And I am I know in my soul that every DA prosecutor and anybody else who put their hands on this case and investigated this case they knew about the cell phone video. I knew that she was not a threat. They knew that his life was not in danger. And they manipulate it the laws and rules on his behalf in order for him to get a sweet deal and eventually get his charges dismissed I believe that he eventually signed a letter saying I would never work in law enforcement again, and this is unacceptable. And so in as much as we are in a time where people think that we are are moving that bending the Arcus relates to police and their relationship to black communities. Let us not be fault. We. I have no reason to trust the police or the cops of the courts, and we have to make sure that we take care of ourselves. And that we support and take care of our own people, and that until further notice which to continue to make sure we demand Justice for people who are stuck in cages because they cannot afford bail because their lives are at stake. And we oftentimes see, you know, for folks who are sitting in cages, the decimation of their health rather. That's you know, the killing by guards. That's the abuse. That is happening right now, I'm sitting in Fulton County, and we have a Dale here called union city. And there's a lawsuit that has been filed against them because women are showering and black mold throats are swollen have mask over their face that being the Beuys in so many ways those who experienced mental health are literally stuffed in a cage. And never come out in a never come out. And so this this breaks my heart as someone who has been in that situation before I've had my face beaten by the by the police before. And so I think we have to continue to dispel that myth that though police provide some level of public safety public safety is when our people have adequate housing adequate jobs that are dignified that people can thrive and have wellness. That is how we get public safety and anything else as a lot. And so. Send my condolences to send a brand lands family and all the people who have lost the loved ones to heinous police violence and corrections officers violence and all those who have participated and situations like this where we know that Justice have not been served in the real reality of it is we know that can never be found in this criminal Justice. Well, Mary hooks. I wanna thank you so much for being with us co director of southerners on new ground or song, which is part of the national bail out collective and the movement for black lives. She's an organizer of national black mamas bailout day, which is mother's day on Sunday since democracy now when we come back the NRA in turmoil. Stay with us. Voted. Joe by the acclaimed Mexican singer Leila downs performing here in our democracy now studio checkout her interview and music to microscope dot org. I made me Goodman is the National Rifle Association imploding, as a nation grieves over another deadly mass school shooting, we turn to look at how internal turmoil inside the NRA threatens the future of the gun lobby in group. A major new report published by the trace in partnership with the New Yorker magazine finds that while the NRA has blamed its recent financial woes on left wing attacks on the second amendment. The real damage to the organization comes from within. Reporter Michael speeds writes, quote, a small group of NRA executives contractors and vendors extracted hundreds of millions of dollars from the nonprofits budget through two payments sweetheart deals and Otake financial arrangements chief among the NRA's problems is its three decade old relationship with Oklahoma. Based public relations firm Ackerman McQueen the firm. Which is behind the NRA's imaging messaging and most of its initiatives was paid more than forty million dollars in two thousand seventeen record port comes as Iran contra figure Oliver North was recently ousted as our president after threaten to reveal evidence of corruption against longtime chief executive Wayne LaPierre. This all comes as New York's attorney general Latisha James has opened an investigation into the NRA's tax exempt status will for more. We're joined by Mike species staff writer for the trace welcome to democracy. And it's great to have you with us. You've done incredible work. Explain what happened over these last few weeks. I mean, you have this mass shooting after mass shooting from the university of North Carolina. You've got the San Diego synagogue shooting. And then you have right near Columbine another high school shooting all of this happening as the NRA what happened to Oliver North in the showdown with Wayne LaPierre would just you mentioned the is. Longtime PR firm Ackerman McQueen as being the sort of largest or listen different illustration of a larger institutional problem. So all north came to be president of the NRA about a year ago. He also separately held the contract with Ackerman McQueen, the PR firm that you were just mentioning for some million dollars a year, which pose some kind of conflict of interest still despite that of north tried to I think, honestly, take the high road and was concerned about larger institutional issues at the organization that go beyond that firm, and he wanted Wayne LaPierre who is I think very much part of that institutional problem to address those issues was pushing him to do. So the response was of course, to file a lawsuit against Ackerman McQueen, the NRA's longtime PR firm that largely targeted ver- north putting him in. Sort of impossible position. And effectively forcing him to resign. His post as president of the NRA. They're sort of really shocking development. It's hard to like overstate. How crazy this is? That firm. Created the modern National Rifle Association, as you know it. I mean, whatever whatever the case may be whatever issues have been going on with, you know, gratuitous payments vague billings, again issues that are not just specific to that firm. But a wide variety of contractors and people connected to senior management that firm made Wayne LA up here. Wayne LaPierre affectively saying right now, the, you know, the wolves being pulled over my eyes. I didn't know I didn't know that. This was happening. I didn't know from north getting had this contract. I didn't I didn't understand the business arrangements that were playing out for the last few decades, and that just defies credulity and every possible way. Well, explain more what you've uncovered about the NRA's, financial dealings and corruption. So you've got Oliver North using Wayne LaPierre of gross corruption and vice versa. Right. I mean to be clear. Nobody's I made for for a freeze. No one's hands are really clean right now. So it just we have this sort of I've used as reference before. But you've got this game of thrones scenario just everyone's trying to fight for their own survival. And be the one who comes out victorious sitting on the on the throne. But when I found came from internal documents of variety of different public filings stuff that it's really hard to find in state charity bureau's that involves like vendor contracts that's worth thing. And what I found was there is an atmosphere that was pervaded by secrecy greed self-dealing, and you have a number of long standing vendor arrangements where the NRA's paying watts of money as you said hundreds of millions of dollars for for contractors that have some kind of special connection to senior management in the organization often senior management is not often. There are people in senior manager. You are getting paid multiple ways and not just through the NRA itself. They have their own conflicts of interest. They're also handing out contracts at times to their dads or their ex girlfriends or they have some connected with the firm hires. The firm hires their significant other there's a whole why did the NRA spent so much money and the two thousand sixteen election. I mean that question. There's there seems to not be a very satisfactory answer to that question in part because they did not have the money. They spent they did not have to spend. I mean, my I can only speculate and to be clear that amount of money came to more than fifty million dollars in that's coming from an organization that was already in financial trouble. Most of that went toward the election of Donald Trump. I think it was a play. I think this was there's no way Donald Trump's gonna win every other outside conservative group is essentially said we're staying out of this race. We're not gonna back Donald Trump. Donald Trump was pulling very well among the NRA's core members. And I thought was he's going to lose. And then we'll be able to fundraise off of that. So are we right now talking about you know, the curtain being pulled back and seeing the wizard of Oz. You have one mass shooting after another. Politician after politician will say that they themselves and their and the others are being captured by the NRA and not taking it on. You do of the democratic candidates running for the twenty twenty presidential race one. After another saying we do have to take this power on. But is there a power there? This is the most important question that anyone can ask. And yes, the current has been pulled back. I think for a very long time perhaps because it's been convenient for some lawmakers to tow this line in order to create a wedge issue. The organization's power is largely mythological and the myth has worked very well for them, it it, obviously has intimidated lawmakers, especially at the state level. It's been really useful tool. But is it real or do they have any more power than anybody else? I think that the answer is is actually no, I just it just the idea of whether or not you're willing to to to challenge it. But Republicans that here's a perfect example. Rick Scott right now, somebody who has governor Florida literally did everything the enery wanted. I mean, there was never a time that he was not carrying. Yes. So now all the sudden he finally at the end of his term does not do at the NRA once and he still gets elected to the US Senate. Anyway, we're gonna continue this discussion. We're gonna post it is. Oh show. Mike speeds. Staff writer at the trace contributor to the New Yorker, his major expose the NRA's finances, headline secrecy, self-dealing and greed at the NRA we will link to it that does it for a show democracy knows currently accepting patients for paid six month. Intern ships here in our New York TIs TV studio. Learn more at democracy now dot for marksman produced by governor matching Carlos coming up. I mean because like so much joining us.
Ep. 691 - Trump has Destroyed the News Media
"Leftist universities are issuing new guidelines to help guidance counselors deal with troubled students among the pieces of advice for woke adults trying to help young people in the new through the difficult. College years are these if a young woman who look slim and fit tells you that in spite of her appearance, she is base needs to lose fifty pounds. Immediately. Put her in touch with a psychotherapist to cure her body Dismore fake disorder. If young man looks like a young man tells you that in spite of his appearance his woman immediately put him in touch with a surgeon to cut off his private parts. If a young woman comes to you and says, she's depressed because her boyfriend has left her explained to her that she's a victim of oppressive patriarchal construct meant to make her believe that women can only be completed in relationship and recommend that she begin to dress like a hag sleep around like a slut, and then shriek in the faces of people who make her feel so very very ashamed of herself. Then she'll have no more problems with men if a young man comes to you and says, he fears he may be gay. Which conflicts with the religious beliefs that have always filled his life with joy. And meaning tell them to stop believing in God, if a young person of color comes to you and tells you he feels awkward uncertain of himself tell him, of course, he does everyone hates him because of his race. And if he's simply explained to all the white students that they have ruined his life by holding slaves before they were born and must now fork over some sweet sweet reparations, he will then feel much better about himself. These few guidelines woke advisors will now be able to guide their students to a better life from the moment. They enter college to the moment, they hang themselves trigger warning Andrew klavan. This is the Andrew klavan show. Also say. See Thompson zippy's, so wonderful. Well, I'm sure you can hear it after two weeks of doing nothing, but traveling and talking I finally broke myself. Knowles. I had a great event at Texas. Am yesterday was really wonderful. So many people showed up great students and tonight, my latest aft- talk brings me to the university of Texas at Arlington. I hope I've enough voice left to get through it. The speech starts at seven pm probably ends around seventy five. It'll be in the science and engineering. Innovation and research building come out bring a friend and bring some good questions hopefully lengthy questions that just drag on and on. So I don't have to talk too much. The new rules of American journalism are a little hard to follow to speculate on the causes of the Notre Dame. Fires a great and terrible sin. But to speculate that the president of the United States has committed treason is just any given weekday on CNN to quote congresswoman Ilhan Omar's despicable words back to her is to incite violence, but to relentlessly repeatedly misquote the president to make him sound like a racist is an act of commentary to question the likely malfeasance of a powerful federal agency like the FBI. Is to undermine America's faith in institutions. But to denigrate the character of the attorney general because he called spying spine is to speak truth to power, it's all so confusing until you remember, you're not dealing with a free and fair. American press, you're dealing with Democrats who happened to carry press cards while they and they call themselves journalists while they barris the name, and the profession the Muller reported scheduled to be released tomorrow, the press and the Democrats, but I repeat myself are already spinning every which way, but the one way the tells the truth the FBI spied on an opposition presidential campaign. And right now, there's every reason to believe it was a political act without DuPree ticket a major scandal, which the democrat press covered up. All right. We're going to talk about that. If I can continue to talking if not we'll find out. Meanwhile, let's talk about Ali Ali is great new sponsor. I still miss my dog. I love my dog. And you want to keep your dog healthy dogs. Great. That dog was one of the best friends. 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Could my dot com slash Tri slash klavan for sixty percent off plus a free bag of treats. That's TR y try and I know what you're thinking. Sure. Sure. But how do you spell playing? It's K L LA the A M. We got the mail bag coming up. That she had the screen because I can't do it anymore. But. But the bag I will try again, I'll try and push through it very hard time talking. But I I will push on this thing with the ball report is amazing lead up to. This report is comes out tomorrow Seth Meyer's late night. Comedian said he's going to go long on his show. So he'll have a chance to talk about it because we're all just waiting with baited breath or fingernails digging into our palms waiting to hear what Seth Meyers thinks about the Muller report. It is just incredible. The thing is there's nothing not going to be anything in this report that shows that the F B I didn't use Christopher steals completely on backed up document paid for by Hillary Clinton, and the DNC there's nothing to show that they didn't use that to get warrants snuffing gonna show that they had a real reason to have a special counsel first place that can go and look for obstruction of Justice. But that's completely ridiculous charge. Because all the president has done is uses power to fire the people he want. Fire which is no way, obstruction of Justice. They're going to spin it and spin it and spend it in the way, you can tell is that they're spinning already, and this is truly despicable, you know, billboard William bar. The attorney general has had a long career. It's been completely untouched by scandal. When he was went into office. They said, you know, he's not a political appointment. Donald Trump did a good job. Even the left was saying that now suddenly because he called spine spying, right? I mean, this this. Guy sent in the feds sent a CIA source to go and talk to Carter page. George popadopoulos another guy Clovis to try and draw stuff out about Russia. The Obama Justice department the FBI use that Christopher Steele document to get warrants to eavesdrop on pages communications that was about three weeks before the two thousand sixteen election. But it's not spine when he called it spine. He was absolutely destroyed by the press. Here's a montage from our friends at newsbusters of the press just turning on Bill bar and treating them like garbage because he told the truth Democrats in congress are on guard after today because the top lawyer in our land sounded like he was protecting the boss. He's acting in bad faith, fundamentally, right? He's acting as an age of the president is opposed an independent arbiter. It's almost impossible now to not see him as a political actor is now looking more partisan. No concern it all the bar summary may not be an accurate reflection bar cherry, picking particular words and phrases. This is the guy that Donald Trump chose. There's a reason. Plenty of reason for Democrats to be suspicious definitely suspicious right bar is gonna do. Trump's dirty work doing the president's dirty work year. It is a stonning quickly Bill bar has settled into that role for the president. He basically made up facts that he didn't know he looks like a classic Washington guy. The big desk out in front of the boss who protects the boss. The attorney general's trying to tear down law instead of trying to protect it. He's acting more like a partisan advocate for Trump. And he is like the attorney general of the United States their reasons to worry about bars. Objectivity Barnes, just injecting politics into this nothing that has happened makes me trust bar. You ever watch those cop shows like the old one NYPD blue or the closer that kind of focus on the way. Cops treat suspects to elicit confessions from them, and as the guy talks and talks more and more of his personality comes out more and more of his guilt comes out. That's what you're seeing in the press. Not one of the people you saw they're not one of the voices. You heard there thought to ask Christopher Steele thought to ask themselves does the steel document have any backing not one of them thought when they were getting leaks from anonymous intelligence sources why they leaking this to me now one of them did would Adi's those are things that are journalist. Do any decent person would say, I really hate Donald Trump treating him fairly am I doing the right thing here. I really disliked this guy, you really triggers me, and my treating him a my using my power in a fair way where I'm serving my audience like telling them the truth, not one of them has done any of that, and this nonsense absolute blithering under Listrik nonsense that they? We mustn't question the motives of the CIA and the FBI because that undermines the people's confidence that's about as the confidence in their institutions. That's about as plausible as we shouldn't speculate about the cause of the fire in Notre Dom. I mean that is the kind of thing where you know, exactly what they're thinking protecting themselves. You wanna hear you wanna hear like a guy who looks like a perp about to confess in one of those cop shows cinde, Joe Scarborough, discuss the Muller report and the FBI investigation before he knows anything not only are not any evidence whatsoever that improper spying surveillance, or whatever they wanna call it. There's actually a lot of countervailing evidence that everything that was done was proper because again, four five federal judges approved the warrant they were all Republicans. You had Republicans all around this process that that we're saying in this is something we need to look into everything was done by the book and they were procedural safeguards. I'm thinking Donald Trump. Hey if. The. Everything was done by the book Joe knows because all of these judges relied to none of them. We're told that the steel document was an odd piece of op research that was being used as evidenced for for wiretapping American citizens. I mean, nothing to see here at all there, not even a crime, the special counsels. Only supposed to be appointed. When there's a crime to investigate I'm gonna stop for a minute and talk about Dollar Shave Club. If I can talk about anything Dollar Shave Club is one of my favorite sponsors because I was using them long before they were sponsors. 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Love these guys. Dollarshaveclub dot com slash. How do you spell? It all together. Now K L A V A N as the press just covering from covering their tracks covering the things that they didn't do anybody in the press ought to do the questions. They didn't ask Joe Scarborough saying oh, nothing to see here. No mouse seasons. Nothing will. I mean, you only have to turn it around. I know I've said this before, but you only have to turn it around and think of George W Bush spine on Barack Obama. You only have to turn it around to know which way the wind would blow and why is it? Why is it a never stopped? They never ask themselves these questions. They never say, you know, the Christopher Steele document completely unfounded. No one's ever come up with proof Nunes ever come up with the sources. How can they do it? How can they as self respecting journalists? I mean, I gotta say, I'm a partisan journalist. Not even I'm not sure I call myself journalist, but I'm a partisan, but. If I felt I was being gullible Donald Trump came out and said something then I thought like mad don't think so I would look into it. I definitely would have done. You've heard me do it. It's just all you're seeing is this guilt at the fact that they did not cover this one of the biggest scandals in American history. There's no question about it. And they did not cover it. So in order for the story this narrative to continue William bar has to be the worst person in the world in order for this thing we have to completely discredit him. Why? Because he said that there were to charge a Trump for obstruction. And now they're gonna look at the motor report and say, oh, how could you pass this over and because he said I'm gonna look into the spine on the Trump campaign. And he never said the spine was legal because you can spy somebody legally, the CIA doesn't all the time. You never said it was a legal. He said that wiretapping people's phones sending people to talk to the middle listed information from that spine. And it's a big deal. Listen to the way just just you can hear how the Democrats. And the press are one as always listen to Chris van Holland Maryland. The Senator Chris van Hollen, Maryland just ripped this guy's reputation apart for no reason, I think when he used the obviously political charge expression of spine. He lost whatever credible credibility. He may have had because that was again use it to President Trump's ears Trump. Immediately tweets it out. He says, you know, that avoi- attorney general bar if he just was referring to surveillance that we know took place pursuant to the Fiso Warren. And by the way is currently being reviewed by the inspector general at the OJ, that's one thing. But but spying in itself has I've Asli negative comment kind of -tations and suggests that there was wrongdoing. So, you know, he later had to try to you know, put the toothpaste back in the tube. Because he admitted at the hearing he had no evidence of wrongdoing that he was going to present to the committee. So all he did. Was float this charged president loved it. And unfortunately in the process, the Torney general further undermined his credibility as an independent, you know, arbiter of Justice. This is a full court press that includes both the court and the press full court press to to basically discredit bar before. This thing comes out. This is spin spin spin before the actress now, of course, after comes out, you're gonna gonna hold new spin about obstruction of Justice about this evidence of guilt and neutrals. There's never going to be a point never ever going to be a point when anybody from the New York Times, a former newspaper to any of these guys turns to the FBI and says, wait just a minute. Really what we need is a grand jury investigation. We really need a Bill. The gern was saying this in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, we need a grand jury investigation brings James Komi all these guys Andrew McCabe. You know, all the investigators Brennan Clapper all of them. Up before grand jury where they have to testify under oath about how this thing got started. And what they did just looking. I mean, it is amazing Trump's magical power to destroy people to it's not that he destroys people as he gets them to destroy themselves and his now decimated the press. The American press is a shell. It's dust. It's nothing because they hated Trump so much they gave away everything they give away all their integrity. They give away all their principles all their practices. They abandoned. And now, they look utterly ridiculous. There's this Jeffrey Toobin, I played them before on FOX. I guess he's their legal analyst just a complete partisan. I don't even know why we have to listen to him speak because we always know what he's going to say the worst the ugliest thing. It's re-. It really is almost stressing. You're the sky's the hate pouring out of the guy, but he comes on. Just just listen this is a complete sign of guilt. There is one one cable station one. In cable station begins all the networks up against all the other cable stations one cable station where many of the commentators support Donald Trump? That's the problem for Jeffrey. Toby, he's got an entire Cable News Network that is going to elaborate and re- repeat and guarantee that Trump's message gets out there. I mean, Fox News will be an incredible asset to the president that Richard Nixon didn't have in the nineteen seventies. That Bill Clinton didn't have in the nineteen ninety s and that echo chamber is going to announce this as vindication, regardless of what the four hundred pages. He's he's damn right. Richard Nixon didn't have that the one place FOX has been right. Fox has been right. The commentators at FOX have been right. I wouldn't have always said this. When this thing began, I wasn't saying it just became slowly clearer and clear and clear that they had nothing on Trump. And that the investigation is self was started in a very cheesy very suspicious way, FOX has been right FOX has been doing the job that the New York Times and the Washington Post as certainly CNN have not done. They're the ones who ask why is the source giving me this piece of information? Why is Christopher Steele document being used what are the connections between Christopher Steele, and Bruce o or and all these people who were in the FBI and the Justice department. Why was why was Jeff Sessions pressured into recuse himself? This is a scandal. You know, it is a weird weird thing. I mean, you know, Sean, Hannity on FOX, very big Trump partisan. I don't always. With them. Sometimes I think he goes too far. He's worried about this. He's just write about. And I think that's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment to the mainstream press when a partisan guy like Hannity is right. And they're supposedly a mainstream down the road objective. Journalists are not again just to show you the guilt, Andrew McCabe guy fired for lying about leaking information. So one of the people who was working with the press hoping against hope that there still might be something this report that can be spun to show that he shouldn't go to jail for doing. What he did? The fact that director Muller has supposedly concluded that he found no evidence of collusion. So you didn't find enough evidence to indicate the existence of conspiracy at the level that you would need to bring some sort of a federal charge. Does that mean we shouldn't have investigated? It. Absolutely. Not. We don't start investigations driving at a conclusion, we don't consider investigations to have been a waste of time or unwarranted simply because they ended up in a place where you didn't expect them to end up you start investigations because you have an obligation to do your job and our job at that moment when we have that articulate suspicion is to conduct the investigation to ensure that we and the Justice department, and maybe some circumstances the world will know if in fact that threat existed and just as valuable to be able to say, no it didn't. I mean absurd right? We don't start investigations with anything in mind. We just pick out a guy, and we investigate them. We don't sort investigation because we think there's a crime or because we have proof of crime because we have some kind of relevant evidence is just as useful for us to find out that you didn't do anything. Then it is as it is for us to find out. You did do something. So we look around we pick out a guy or there's a guy with kind of funny orange hair who just happens to be running for president. He'd be an interesting guy to investigate. I mean, the way these guys are talking you can just see the cop leaning over the desk and say to them pal. This isn't making sense. You know, this isn't making sense to me. Why don't you just come clean and get it off your chest? You'll feel a lot better. It really is. It really isn't embarrassment that just the way they're behaving. And this is before the report comes out. This is before they have stuff to work with and stuff that they can spend. So as you know, I mean, I I haven't slept for weeks. Now, you can probably tell but when I lie in bed, I love to lie on comfortable and attractive sheets. Boll and branch supplies them. I can lie on those sheets all night long. And wow, really nice sheets. I wish to get some sleep. But for you. They will probably help you get some sleep sleep. They look really good. 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But sometimes I make it look easy. It's K L A V A N. You know, it's this is truly an amazing scandal. Let Lindsey Graham have the last word let him somewhat sum up. What's happened? Trump a changing all the rules in Washington. I would suggest that all the rules have been changed to get Trump Kavanagh's nominee was not presumed innocent because he was conservative. The way they treated cabin was to try to destroys life and driving out of warning the job hoping he would they're tacking billboard. Now. One of the most seasoned highly respected legal minds in the United States. Nothing's changed about Bill bars since he was Torney general under Bush, forty one. The only thing is changed the desire to get Trump. No matter how you have to get out. That that's a very clear statement of exactly what's happened anything you can do. And you know, it's really hard to talk about this without remembering Barack Obama's eight years of scandal-free administration without looking back and saying, you know, fast and furious, no scandal IRS, no scandal Benghazi and lying about them Ghazi, no scandal Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch on the runway, no scandal Hillary Clinton, letting her emails just go floating back for classified emails floating around no scandal. This is the press during Barack Obama at the end of Barack Obama's administration. We've played this. At least a dozen times as worth hearing. Again, he's been scandal free frankly in the White House. We haven't had that for a while. He ran an administration that was largely scandal-free today. White House to takes pride and being scandal free that any abomb years, which are remarkably scandal free a lot of people were talking about how he's going to be remembered for the scandal free administration that he. Dan president. It's been very rightfully proud of the lack of scandal and his administration, so far there's been no major scandals of round top aides. President Obama's running amazingly scandal-free administration not only himself, but the people around him he's chosen people who've been pretty scandal free. This has been a scandal free administration for the last eight years oftentimes, people don't even talk about that back. Because it's not true that that's your press at work. That's your press that's going to go to work tomorrow. As this report comes out to try and spin it yet again into a new scandal. Listen, you know, you've heard me say things about Trump then how bothers me at times. But it is amazing to me. It is amazing to me the way they have treated the sky in the way, essentially they've treated themselves what they have done to themselves. I mean that is really the kind of embarrassing scandal of the press in the Trump administration is what the American journalists have done to themselves after eight years of line on their bellies waiting to be lying their backs. We need to have their belly scratched by the Barack Obama. It really it's it's truly an embarrassment. And you'll notice by the way that Obama has disappeared from all conversations of where the country is what is problems are. We don't hear about the fact that Trump destroyed ISIS, but we don't hear about the fact that it's bomber who let ISIS spread. You know, we hear about there's a piece in the. New York Times today, a former newspaper about how. Red states the states that voted for Trump are doing quite well now they're doing a little bit better the clawing back from an Obama administration, and who bombed ministration which they did much much worse than the blue states did. But there's no mention of Obama. He calls them Clinton states, Trump states. But there's no mentionable. It is like this guy has vanished. So we don't remember we do not remember what his policies did. No matter. How much you like personally, we don't remember what his policies did to this country. And why Donald Trump was summoned by the mid the middle of this country to come and basically bring them back online on economic line because they've been forgotten. He's done his job. You know, he's not the nicest person in the world. He has kind of sleazy lot of sleazy stuff in his past. He's doing a good job as president. He does not deserve. He does not deserve to have this deep state. Come after him. While the press covers it up. We got the mail bag coming up say goodbye. Like, I said, we gotta say goodbye to wherever we're saying goodbye to Facebook and YouTube come to daily wire dot com. Subscribe cloudy. Ten bucks a month allows one hundred bucks for the year. Then you too can be in the mail bag. It's a little stuffy and uncomfortable. But you get to answer. Ask me any question. You want about anything in your life? Your religious ideas, political beliefs your personal life. All my answers are guaranteed. Correct. As you'll see a hundred percent guaranteed. Correct. And we'll change your life. Sometimes for the better, stay tune for the mail bag. All right. I male. Just what I was gonna say, oh, here's one from Jake Jake wrote in last time maybe two weeks ago. I'm not sure he said he was hesitating about asking his girlfriend to marry him because he didn't have a job yet. And I guess I kind of went off on a little bit. And he writes back today saying, thanks for the tough love in the mail bag I propose to my girlfriend last night. And she said, yes. So well done good job and show. She has faith in you. Right. She doesn't need to see that. You have your job lined up. You're still in school. She doesn't need to see that. She believes that you will do it that you will do. Well, do well maker of justify or faith. From Sarah Heidrick label with no es longtime listener, I'm struggling to raise my children to be Christians in very fallen world and your willingness to embrace expressions of the most vile sin, well creating Christian movies with pornography. Struck me dumb. Little bit of kidding around there, Sarah. But still I did say that I'm not saying that Christian movies are terrific in their acting direction and production, which by the way is what makes movies terrific, plus the writing. But how do you square your perspective with Philippians for eight cautioned the number of bible versus gets those minute. You have often said that angers the devils cocaine. I of always thought that guilty laughter's the devils cocaine if the devil can get you laugh at sin. He's got comfortable with it and your moved incrementally away from God and towards sin. So basically, she's saying I can't watch many shows or movies without a deep sense of disturbance have to wonder the wisdom wisdom, and allowing myself to grow accustomed to depravity. How can you immerse yourself in filth and stay clean in Christ's love soon to be Dr Sarah? Well, first of all this Filipions quota will put all the versus the Philippians, quote, people are always throwing this at me when they see that my characters curse when they see that. I watch game of thrones. When I when they see that I have sex scenes in my books. They always throw Philippians at me. And it is whatever is true. Whatever is noble, whatever's. Right. Whatever is pure, whatever's lovely whatever's admirable if anything is excellent or praiseworthy praiseworthy. Think about such things. So what would a work of art be like that? Only had no people doing noble lovely admirable. Excellent or praiseworthy things. It would not be a work of art. It would be. A work of trash and dishonesty Philippians begins with whatever is true. I think all those things nobility Loveliness admirable nece in the arts are about representing the truth. That is what the arts. Do they tell the truth? And if you can't tell the truth, if you don't wanna hear the truth, if you think that somehow your life is better by reading, you know, namby-pamby Christian stuff where everybody does the right thing and all the bad people punished and all the good people win praise. If that's what you want. Don't go to the arts. Go to that. I mean, that's that's what you do. But that's not what I do. I'm an artist the fact that you have children doesn't enter into this because we can't live in a world where everything's geared toward children where every movie is made. So only children can watch it. I do not think I've written books for children. They're squeaky clean. No, bad words in them. They have no sex in them those books for younger people right for adults. I write about adult things I write about the world as it is. Because I believe you can only find God. In the world as it is. You can't find God in namby-pamby Salinas as for laughing a whole speech about this at hillsdale as for laughing at sin. It really depends. Why you're laughing if you laughing because you don't understand the pain that sin causes where the twisted nece causes the physical destruction that it causes. Well, yeah. Then you're being depraved. But if you're laughing I laugh at San and I do laugh, and there's no question about it. I find some very funny if if there if you or laughing corruption sin because it's absurd it's because you have an understanding of the human of human nature in keeping with original sin. You understand that Uman's or made to be better than they are. And that's funny. It's funny when a guy in a tuxedo falls in the mud puddle. It's funny when a society woman is hitting the face with a pie. It is funny. A group of people who were made to walk with God in the garden of paradise instead spend their time cheating and lying and. Hurting each other that something absurd and funny about that, obviously when people start to suffer physical destruction it stops being funny. But until then when you're dealing with things like the the parents who cheated their kids ways into school, there's something absurd and funny about it. If you understand that they were supposed to be something so much better than they are. So again don't Cup the arts do a thing. Just like a car does thing. Right. A card takes you someplace the arts, take you someplace you cannot take people to those places without telling the truth not all truth has to be an every art some good art like thrones can also be exploitive in the opening episode of this new season. There was a nude scene in it that had absolutely no point in purpose. It was just put naked ladies on screen. I enjoyed it very much. But it was absolutely nothing to do with, you know, advancing the story, but some scenes that show horrible. Horrible things can in fact part of getting at the truth. I was referenced the sopranos one of my favorite TV shows, which was filled with depravity, and it was lifting because showed the moral world. That's the way the arts work if you don't like the arts, don't use them. But if you do like them be prepared for uncomfortable truths. All right from Cassie. My son is a junior in high school this year. And we're starting to do some college visits after reading crime and punishment early in their year, which is a favorite viewers. Also, it certainly is he said his heart on being an English major. While listening to your interview with professor Paul Ray from his tail hillsdale felt very disheartened. Should I be concerned letting my son go into this major? What should we be looking for on these college visits, of course? Shakespeare, the curriculums of but what else? Thanks, Renae advice. Great question. Yes. You should be concerned. Yes. You should talk to people about whether or not they are going to let the artist speak or whether they're going to drown out the artists with their own left-wing theories. Are they going to teach kids what Shakespeare was trying to say. Or are they going to teach them with? They have to say about sexism racism this and that colonialism or whatever are they going to teach Jane Austen wrote were they going to teach their ideas about what Jane Austen wrote. Are they going to diss the great literature of the time and throw it overboard, just because they wanna find some guy whose skin was different color who didn't right half as well. As Jane Austen is that they're going to you've got to ask these questions last night. After a presentation Knowles, and I met with some of the, you know, donors and others at Texas A and M, and we were discussing the ways the right has left the culture slip. And they were saying, Texas, a very conservative school grade school, huge sixty five thousand students, and they were saying, you know, there are a lot of departments where the ideas have to work. And of course, all those departments are conservative because conservative ideas work. So the agriculture department, the engineering department science department, those people are conservative, but in the arch where ideas don't have to prove themselves leftists are coming in. And I said, you know, I know that seems harmless, but it's really not. And we started talking among us we came up with the idea that really that there should be a federal a society for liberal arts teachers, they have a federal society for judges and Trump is appointing justices to the supreme court from the lists from the federalist society trains judges. In constitutional law and not imposing leftist ideas on the country. I think that there should be a federal society that trains people on how to teach the art that was being written how to teach literature that was being written. What'd Shaw semaine? Why do we why do we teach Virgil and Homer? You know, what do they what were they trying to say? Instead, what you have these great minds crying out to us with the truth from generations past and they're drown out by these latest theory about sexism feminism or whatever or race, or whatever the hell it is. And that is incredibly incredibly destructed is not teaching literature. It's not teaching literature. It is propaganda. It's child abuse. It is abusing young people by depriving them of their literary heritage and the heritage of ideas that made them who they are as a true abuse. So yep. Be worried go to hillsdale if you're going to go to someplace like this go to places where the professors are trying to teach. The good the true, the beautiful and this legacy that's handed down to us of literature, and ideas. From nNcholas desiring your thoughts, shiny headed bearded. One just finished watching the combative debate between Bernie Sanders, and Martha McCallum Bret Baier. Other parts where I thought he was outright rude. I thought as ideas were insane. But I also find him likable if not lovable liberals, usually incite me. Bernie was entertaining. Any explanation is this his appeal crazy old yet lovable crank? Bernie's appeal is that he's a true believer. Bernie has believed in communism. He never saw the Soviet Union fall. He never saw the dead of of Cuba. He's never seen the people eating roasted cats in Venezuela. It just he is so blind. So tireless immersed in his own a world that his hypocrisy and not paying taxes his apocryphal and not giving a lot of money to charity his Apocrypha and wanting to make a million dollars from self, but not want you to make a million dollars without being taxed to death. It's all kind of charming because he's like an old crazy, man. He's like an old crazy, man. He has never his never had that moment as so many intellectuals had after Stalin when they said, oh, I get it. This this communism. Socialism sounds like a good idea. But it collects power to completely in the government and it leads to abuses. He's never had that moment. So he lives in this fog of fantasy. In which his own hypocrisy his own sins in vacationing in these honeymooning in the Soviet Union while it was a slave state in praising the mass murderer Castro, and and Shay those sins have never occurred to him. And there is something charming about that. Because it's kind of like a delightful crazy old uncle who keep spouting the same thing. You get used to it after a while. And I think that it's different than people like occasion Cortez who are ignorant and obstreperous and unkind and and attack people when they're attacked because they don't wanna come out of their ignorance in their stupidity. Sanders isn't like that Sanders, a true believer. I think he actually has that much integrity, though, not enough integrity to notice his own past malfeasance zone past bad acts and his own hypocrisy. All right from Jeremiah mighty powerful. Lord Clayton, nor of the unknown. You're the unseen. I am on my way out of the military and on my way into law enforcement. I've taken the time to think through this decision, but didn't make it known to my family for quite some time because I did not want their views influencing. What is ultimately my decision. I broke the news three or four months ago. If you family members have been so disapproving of the decision that they'll barely speak to me. I feel responsibility to protect and serve. But I'm not sure how to deal with families views of this decision. I understand why they feel they feel but I'm gonna wash how to help them cope, which I do. Well, you don't mention what their objections are. So I don't know. I assume they object to the the risk. I mean, I guess Sealy thing I can think of their objecting to the danger that you face or maybe the hours, I don't know. This is your decision. This is something you know, that you have to decide and what you do with relatives. If they're if they're Jackson's Jackson's of lov like, they're worried about you just be very kind very reassuring and go about in your quiet way. Doing what you have to do people. Like, you are invaluable is a great thing you're doing if already served your country, you're gonna serve your neighborhood. You're going to serve the people around you. You are. In fact, a hero. You will be continued to be a hero heroes. Sometimes get shouted that. Even by the people that who love them as Rudyard Kipling said you have to arrange your life. So that neither friends. None other foes nor loving friends can hurt you. So listen to them be be nice to them trying to their fears, but do which have to do. From kyle. You're Mr. Cleveland Lord of the multi verse I was recently having a conversation with a friend of mine about abortion. We both agree that it's murder. But we're frayed that his his friend. Brought up an interesting point that if abortion were made to legal there's a high chance dangerous black markets would form for borden's because lots of people think there's nothing wrong with it. This could lead to deaths of women. This is classic abortion argument that they'll be back alley abortions coathangers, there weren't that. Actually that many before legalize, but you might be right there might be more. Now. Do we have to take back the culture? I before abortions me legal to ensure that this doesn't happen. Thank you. And love the show. What I imagine would happen if we can repeal Roe v. Wade which is a true is truly bad law. Very bad decision. It overrides people's right to make their laws in their neighborhoods. But it should be sent back to the states. And when it said, I mean, even murders state crime, it's not a federal crime in most cases. And so. If abortion law goes back to the states what I imagine. There will be is. There will be what they're supposed to be in our federal system, which is experimentation with different rules in different states. Some states will have no abortion, some states. We'll have easy access of Boertien. And of course, people can travel between states. But what would be interesting is if some of the states that have no abortion also have enhanced facilities for adoption and counseling and rescue. Because it's no good just to say, you can't have an abortion. You also have to say this baby is wanted by society. Even if you don't want it, even if it's painful to you to bring this baby into the world, your culture wants this baby. And we will make sure that there is a place for this child to go. And so when you have states that do that, I think that can be very infectious when you have healthy states, lean when you have healthy places people want to be part of it, and and sign onto that system in that culture. That's how. Think you win that argument over time a lot of children are going to die between now. And then, but I think that we really do it's not enough to build a culture of no abortion. We really do have to build a culture of life, and that's going to happen one St. at a time in our federal system. I hope it does happen. I hope that Roe v. Wade goes down it's bad law. It's bad for the culture. It's part of why we're so divided because we have another chance to argue this out ourselves, and I think the states trust the states to come up with different rules that can be tested in the in the in the flow of time. And I think that's the only answer. It was the answer that we were moving toward when the supreme court mucked up as they did with gay marriage. I mean, they just imposed rule instead of letting us work it out for ourselves. I gotta stop onto really sorry for my voice sounding the way it does. But hopefully rested up. I don't think I my plane got cancelled. So I'm not sure I'm going to be back until Friday. Hopefully, I'll be able to rest up my voice, maybe get some. -biotics and come back full steam, though, I am I do think I do the conversation tomorrow. I do think I do a conversation tomorrow. So maybe. Yeah. So I'll see you for that. And hopefully be able to speak a little better. I hope you'll be there. I'll be signing books signing another kingdom. Go buy. Another kingdom. Would you go on Amazon dot com and get yourself a copy of another kingdom get five get some for your friends? You really will like it. Even if you heard the podcast and enjoyed the podcast here. You can read it without Michael Knowles getting in the way, and you really get to see some of the inner workings of the book. Another kingdom is on Amazon by me. You will like it. I promise I'm Andrew klavan. This is the Andrew klavan show. The Andrew klavan show is produced by Robert Stirling, executive producer, Jeremy boring, senior producer Jonathan. Hey. Our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin Stevens. Edited by Adam sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike Corinna hair and makeup is by just Olvera and our enemies are by Cynthia and Google production. Assistant Nik Sheehan. The Andrew klavan show is daily wire production copyright, daily wire. Twenty nineteen.
Ep 314 | The Monumental Importance of the Supreme Court | Guest: Sen. Ted Cruz
"Hey guys welcome to relatable today I have a very special guest. Senator Ted. Cruz, we are talking about the Supreme Court, the importance of the Supreme Court the threat to our freedoms that packing the supreme court something that Joe Biden and Kamala, Harris or going to do if they win something that Democrats have said that they're going to do if they gain power. Why that is such a threat to our liberty and two are civil rights. We are going to talk about all of that today with him. This is one of those conversations that is so important when we are thinking about who to vote for I know I sound like a broken record but if there is anything that I can emphasize that I can get people to see that this election, all elections but. I would say in particular, this election has such far reaching implications. If we are talking about a party, the Democratic, party, who has said that they want to pack the supreme. Court that means expanding the Supreme Court to thirteen seats filling in those extra seats with liberal justices liberal justices always go in the way of democratic dogma. No matter what law says, no matter what the constitution says. So that means liberal. At the expense of your civil liberties If they do that if they abolish electoral college, if they decide that, they're going to give statehood to Puerto Rico in DC. If they decide that they are going to be able to reconfigure the Senate which of course, would be hard to do but many people on the left to do not believe that the Senate should have. The same number of Representatives the same number of senators per state. They believe like the House of Representatives that it should be based on population. If that happens, it will no longer be a democracy. We will no longer live in a representative democracy in a republic the middle of the country the minority will not have a say at all the way our system is set up. Now it makes sure that the fifty one percent or not to rain cly ruling over the forty nine percent that is how our country was set up intentionally and abolishing the electoral college reconfiguring. The Senate makes sure that conservatives especially conservatives in the middle of the country don't have say anymore in our democratic processes. They're using the courts especially, the Supreme Court to pass ideas in policies that they know are not popular democratically in the that they can't get passed through legislative means, and so they weaponized the courts in order to push things that the democratic elites want but the rest of the country does not want that's how it works in. So voting for president, trump has these long term implications because we are talking about nominating and confirming. Adjust is an amy conybeare at that is going to have a life long appointment and whose decisions are going to have life long generational implications and so when we are talking about the election and we're talking about the consequences of the election, it is so much more important to think about things like this and think about the preservation of things like the first and second, amendment, those amendments that protect constitutional rights for all demographics rich poor black white. Immigrants Native born whoever you are and is so much more important that we think about the preservation of those rights than presidents personality, and again I know I've said this so many times but policies decisions made by judges and by the Supreme Court are what is going to shape your future and the future for your children and your children and your children's children not trump's personality not whether or not he interrupts it debates. Not. Even his personal foibles and his moral flaws which I understand. He has many that doesn't mean that we can't criticize him that doesn't mean that we can't point out where he's wrong or where he's not Christ play. We don't have to pretend like he is our savior. But when we are voting, we are thinking about the policies and the decisions that are going to affect our civil liberties that are going to. Affect our constitutional rights and the rights of our kids and our grandkids, and so take a step back from trump's personality from his personal failures and think about what policies and decisions you want implemented I've tried to make the case over the past several weeks that conservative policies are best for every demographic. That doesn't mean the Democrats get everything wrong that doesn't mean that everyone on the left is wrong about everything but the. Current brand of leftism, which is far leftism that is increasing in popularity in the Democratic Party I believe only has the ability by nature only has the ability to deconstruct and divide. It does not have the ability to build up into bring together leftism just doesn't if you look at the history of Marxism, how it's been implemented throughout the world, which is the brand of leftism that we're seeing from the black lives matter ANTIFA. Ilhan. Omar Kamla Harris Bernie Sanders wing of the party. It doesn't work the implementation of Marxism of socialism only divides. It only brings destruction and deconstruction in ultimately suffering and starvation and resentment and tyranny. It never ends well and for people to vote for Joe, Biden based on the fact that he seems like a nicer guy which honestly to me, he does it seems like maybe a little bit of a better guy because he's the calmer and a debate and because he. Wears a mask when president trump dozen he does it tweet the same as president trump shortsighted. It's short-sighted. So that's what this episode is about today. This episode is about the importance of long term thinking when we are thinking about our vote and a great example of thinking long term. Is the supreme quite, and who is going to be making the decisions that will have an effect on which constitutional rights are preserved, and which ones are thrown out the window for left wing activism. Okay, let me take a quick break to tell you guys about hydrants. So top performers of business in sports often attribute that success to their morning routine whether it's waking up early they're setting their goals for the day exercising whatever it is, but it is also important to be hydrated in the morning seventy, five percent of us or you're actually walking around chronically dehydrated that can lead. 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I e and enter Promo Code Alliott check out that his drink hydrant dot com slash Ali for twenty five percent off your first order Promo Code Alley drink hydrogen dot com slash E. Promo Code Allie. Senator Cruz thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for having me with you. Yes. So you've written this book one vote away. It's about the Supreme Court why the Supreme Court is so important, can you just briefly tell us what inspired you to write this book right now? Well I actually sat down and wrote it this this spring and summer. So as during the Kobe lockdown and I was at home working from home and so pulled out my laptop wrote it, and obviously at the time I had no idea that we would have a supreme court vacancy in October. But I did know that that of course we had a presidential election in November and and I think. Judges and the Supreme Court in particular are the single most important reason to vote for Donald Trump over Joe Biden and so this book the way it's structured is is each chapter talk about a different constitutional liberty. So there's a chapter on free speech. There's a chapter on religious liberty. There's a chapter on the Second Amendment. There's a chapter on democracy and elections and and and it's not an academic or theoretical book instead, it's practical unreal. What it does is bring people inside bring people behind the curtain inside the court understand the Supreme Court understand the justices you know before I was in the Senate I was Spring Court litigator. That's what I did for a living argue cases in front of the US Supreme. Court. So every chapter tells war stories of of the big landmark cases many of which I helped litigated to help people really understand what's going on there and you know it's striking on on case after case after case, many of them were five to four meaning were just one vote away from losing our fundamental liberties. There seems to be a lot of confusion. At least in more liberal circles online, the difference between a constitutional right and a privilege, we see a lot that you were against the constitution or if you disagree with the with the Supreme Court decision on the constitutional basis, it must mean that you don't want women to have rights or lgbtq people to have rights or whatever it is. Can you explain why that is a fallacious argument may be the difference between an actual constitutional right and a privilege. Well, they're all sorts of things that may or may not be good policy decisions but that are not under the constitution given the judges to decree you know under our constitutional system public policy is meant to be debated in in the legislatures in the elected bodies. What happened and I trace this history in the book is is in the nineteen sixties. The left decided that that convincing their fellow Americans of of their policy agenda was too hard. And so instead, they would just go to the courts and it was much easier to get five unelected lawyers in robes to decree that result for the whole country than actually to to try to convince. Americans it was a good idea, and so we've seen that pattern go on and on and on look I'll give an example. So one of the chapters in the book is about school choice. I am passionate about school choice I think school choice is the civil rights issue of the next century. That being said I don't think it's the courts job to mandate school choice I think it would be wrong for the supreme, court, to say, we have to have school choice everywhere in America the right place to make that argument to win that fight is in the elected legislatures in the state and the US. Congress and in the Senate I lead the fight for school choice in the Senate. But what I described the book as is the case called Zelin. Versus Simmons Harris where there was a challenge to Ohio school choice program it went to the Supreme Court by a vote of five four the Supreme Court upheld the program before justices were ready to strike the program down and strike down every other school choice program in America to rule that could have school choice. Now, that is blatantly contrary to the constitution, but we're one justice away from a five justice left-wing majority down every school choice program in the country. Can you explain the difference? Between how a left-wing? Justice. Judge decides a case verse as Constitutionalist originalist textualist judge or justice. Sure G. It's a great question of the job of justice. is to follow the law not to implement whatever policy they might agree with or they might not agree with, but to follow the law and follow the Constitution. And so that means in the school choice context allowing the elected legislatures to decide whether you agree with or don't agree with what they like or another example is the second amendment. So there's a chapter in the book talking about the case Heller Versus District of Columbia it's the landmark Second Amendment, case? What happened there is a felony Dick. Anthony Heller who was a federal police officer in. DC. He carried a firearm work but DC, law made it illegal for him to have a functional firearm at home? and. So he filed a lawsuit challenging that it went all the way to the Supreme Court I represented thirty one states. It before the Supreme Court defending the individual rights to keep and bear arms and the supreme. Court. By a vote of five to four struck down the DC law said, it was inconsistent with the Second Amendment, right it was Justice Scalia. wrote the opinion at it. It is the finest opinion Justice Scalia ever wrote now. The position of the dissenters and this is important understand. It wasn't that some gun control sometimes is a good idea or is acceptable that that's something actually on which read the minds can can differ weaken have unintelligent debate about what the right standard is for for whether gun control works or a dozen. That was not the center set. What the dissenter said was that the Second Amendment protects no individual right to keep and bear arms whatsoever none that it protects only what they called a collective right of the militia, which is essentially fancy lawyer talk for a non-existent right what it would mean. If, they got one more vote. If the four justices became five, it would mean that no American you I nobody would have any individual right at all under the Second Amendment that if Congress or the state or your city made it a crime for you own a gun that you would have zero legal remedies and ended functionally is a racing the second amendment from the bill of Rights. It's deleting it. Now this is the liberals don't like that people own guns they support gun control it doesn't matter what their policy preferences are. The Second Amendment is written into the bill of rights and the job of justice is to enforce the terms of the constitution. Right can you tell us what other civil liberties are on the line? If, Joe Biden does get his way either if they pack the courts which I'm going to ask you about or if he just gets. GETS HIS LIBERAL JUDICIAL NOMINEES CONFIRMED Sure I'll give you another example. One of the one of the chapters in the book is on free speech and and I focus in particular on citizens united. Now, folks have heard of citizens united. They don't really know what the case was about, but they know the Democrats really hated. It It's worth focusing on what citizens united was about it because it was about whether you and I have the right to criticize politicians. In that case, citizens united the Group is a small nonprofit organization based in DC. They made a movie that was critical of Hillary Clinton. and. The Obama Justice Department wanted to go after them. They wanted to be able to find them and punish them for daring to make a movie critical of Hillary. Clinton. Case went all the way to the US supreme core an and there was one really really chilling exchange at the oral argument. Justice Sam Alito. Asked the Obama Justice Department he said under your theory of the case. Would the government have the authority to ban books. Could the federal government ban books if they criticize politicians and the Obama Justice Department said yes, we have the authority to ban books never mind with the First Amendment says, we can ban any book we don't like if it criticizes the politician. Citizens United was five to four. So the majority struck down that that that attempted government power and said, no, the First Amendment gives us a right. To speak into criticize politicians but there were four justices willing to hold. The federal government can prohibit movies and books. If they criticize anyone in politics, that is a radical extreme position and I'll tell you even more scary both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have explicitly pledged to nominate justices who will vote to overturn citizens united. So take away our free speech rights and they've also pledged to nominate justices who will vote to overturn Heller. So to take away our second amendment rights, these rights are at the edge of the precipice one vote away. 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Well you know it's it's interesting they they say that but you know who didn't say it was commonly Harris last night in the debate you know who didn't say a week earlier was Joe Biden in the debate with Donald Trump and and actually the left knows. That their positions are not popular. The left knows that taking away free speech is a very unpopular position. The left knows that racing the Second Amendment from the bill of Rights is very unpopular. The left knows that they're assault on religious liberty. There's a whole chapter on religious liberty. One of the things that talks about is the little sisters of the poor a Catholic Convent of nuns who the Obama Administration persecuted try to force the nuns to pay for abortion inducing drugs and others, and by the way Joe Biden has pledged. If he's elected, he'll resume persecuting the little sisters of the poor. That's not a popular position and it really I think it's worth. Conservatives, Republicans ought to note that in the debates. Common Joe don't defend those positions they run away they pretend. It was really revealing last night when Kamla was asked I think four separate times are you and Joe going to try to pack the Supreme Court if you win and she wouldn't answer she wouldn't answer. She wouldn't. So she wouldn't answer and the answer is, yes they're radical base wants them to do that but they know the American people don't want to see the court politicize turned into essentially a democratic super legislature that that overturns the will of the people if you want to change. Our country. The right way to do it is is the political process convince your fellow citizens but democracy is messy and the far left that they don't believe in it anymore they believe in dictatorship and power and. And Censorship, and if you dissent from anything, they say they will cancel you. They've been silence you. They will shut you down and that's an incredibly unpopular position but I think it's incumbent on us to point out. That's what they're arguing for and the funny thing is there buzz phrase right now is save our democracy preserve our democracy by electing Joe Biden, they've talked about packing the Supreme Court and abolishing the Electoral College I mean I don't understand how that is the preservation of democracy. Could you talk about specifically what are the implications are really what's the meaning of first of all packing the court and even doing other things like possibly abolishing the Electoral College? Will you know there's an entire chapter in the book on democracy and elections and what it talks about principally is the case Bush versus Gore. So I was part of the legal team that represented George W Bush and Bush versus Gore. I I was a young lawyer at the time. I was working actually on the George W Bush presidential campaign was was living in Austin Texas met my wife Heidi. A campaign, we're in cubicles about twenty thirty feet apart from each other. and. If you remember what happened in the year two thousand on election. Day. George. W. Bush one counted the votes anyone but in Florida it was very close and so Gore sent in teams of lawyers to challenge the election outcome. And what you do if you've lost when you're doing an election challenges, you try to throw out the votes of the winter and you try to get more votes for yourself. So that's what Gore was doing is trying to throw out votes for George W Bush, and he was trying to find new Al Gore votes after the votes have been cast. I. Was in Tallahassee was part of the legal team from the from the beginning and was down there the entire time. in one of the things I describe in the book, is it utter chaos in in the war room we had a a whiteboard on the wall that had chart. There were seven different lawsuits all pending simultaneously. Any one of which could cost president of the United States. And and twice the case went to the US. Supreme Court. So the first time it went the Supreme Court we won unanimously one nine and nothing. The Supreme Court concluded the Florida Supreme Court, which was a partisan democratic court had gotten it. Wrong. So they vacated that decision, they send it back. The, second time it went to the Supreme Court on the question of remedy the final outcome. The court divided five to four vote of five to four. The court said enough is enough the ballots now been counted four times. George W. Bush has won all four times. You can't keep challenging and challenging and challenging and driving dragging the election. Now, it's over now the course of that recount was thirty, six days thirty, six days where the entire country in the entire world didn't know who the next president would be was chaos. It was uncertainty and what the Democrats wanted to do is they wanted. The courts to decide instead of the voters they didn't like that the voters had chosen George W. Bush. So they were trying to get judges to set that decision. Aside, it's the same thing I. think there's a very good chance. We will face that same kind of electoral litigation after this election and and and the Democrats want the courts to rule for them. Never mind what the law says to say Joe Biden wins and and if you want to understand the issues that are really at stake through. The book one vote away how a single Supreme Court seat can change history. On the book is really I. Think a very helpful tool. To understand the Supreme Court a lot of people know it's important but you don't necessarily understand what's going on this book is designed. You don't have to be a lawyer to enjoy it. It's designed to be understandable readable, interesting and bring you inside. But it also gives you the insight what the election is about in November and and what the epic fight over judge of Barrett that we're in the middle of right now you know when you're talking to your friends when you're talking to your family, you want to understand these issues and this book you say it's been really encouraging it's shot to number one the the top bestseller in the country on Amazon. And I think it's because people are finding it helpful and interesting and fun and readable. So I would encourage folks go to Amazon. Go to Barnes and noble go go anywhere you get your books and I think you'll find it up both interesting and helpful guess is extremely extremely readable and easy to understand. Thank you so much for writing it just very quickly. What are the chances off eighty conybeare being confirmed before the election? I think they are very, very good I I, believe the Senate will confirm Judge Barrett we're going to start the hearings next week. The Democrats are GONNA do everything they can to turn it into a political circus like they did with justice cavenaugh but I believe we have the votes I don't think the Democrats can stop it. They're going to yell and scream and stomp their feet but at the end of the day I believe judge bear it will be confirmed by the end of the month. Before Election Day and I think that is a major victory by nominating her president trump was delivering on his promises to the voters and by confirming her the Republican majority in the Senate will be delivering on our promises to the voters. Yes. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for your fight and what you stand for. Thank you for writing this book. I do encourage everyone to go and check it out, purchase it on Amazon wherever you go. Get your books. Thank you so much Senator Chris. Thank you really appreciate it God. Bless you tell.
CRUSADE Channel Newscast May 22nd 2020
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This report is brought to you by the founders trading posts featuring our very own gourmet coffee Kappa Jin dark roast in hoping and fresh ground. Start Your morning like a crusader with a fresh brewed cup of Cappuccino. Dark roast coffee available. Mike Church Dot com forward slash shop. Here's what to listen for this hour. They stuffed the ballot box in Philly in got caught. The man who was the filmer in the Ahmad Armory case gets time in the back of a squad car and no more women leading the prayers at City Council meeting in a small Texas town a former judge of elections in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania has been charged and pleaded guilty to illegally adding votes for Democrat candidates in judicial races in two thousand fourteen. Two Thousand Fifteen and two thousand sixteen on Thursday the Department of Justice that announce charges against former judge of elections dominic dim euro seventy three four stuffing the ballot box for Democrats in exchange for payment being paid by a political consultant the charges in guilty plea include conspiracy to deprive Philadelphia voters of their civil rights by fraudulently stuffing the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates. In the two thousand fourteen. Two Thousand Fifteen and two thousand sixteen primary elections and a violation of the travel. Act The trump administration's prosecution of election fraud stands in stark contrast to the total failure of the Obama Justice Department to enforce these laws public interest legal foundation. President Christian Adams said in a statement right now other federal prosecutors are aware of cases of double voting in federal elections as well as non-citizen voting attorney general. William Bar should prompt those other offices to do their duty and prosecute known election crimes. William Roddy Brian Junior. The man who recorded the deadly. February shooting of Georgia jogger Ahmad rb has been arrested on charges of felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced Thursday. Night Brian will be booked into the Glenn. County jail the death of Aubrey. An unarmed black man was thrust into the national spotlight after cell phone video recorded by. Brian surfaced on social media prompting an outrage against local law enforcement for over ten weeks after the February. Twenty third shooting the investigation idol as Glenn County Police Department largely look the other way critic said calls for justice grew after the video was leaked Brian. The fifty year old neighbor of Gregory and Travis McMichael white father and son accused of murdering. Aubrey has changed his story multiple times since the video of the shooting came out however he has always maintained his innocence quoted the day you must ask God to give power to fight against the sin of pride which is your greatest enemy. The root of all that is evil in the failure of all that is good for God resists. The proud saint. Vincent de Paul coming up are saying that the day he was considered among the greatest scholars of the Medieval era. You're listening to crusade channel. News foundations are stored is the epoch seventeen DVD or streaming download series. That completely refuse that most pernicious of modernist errors evolution. This course is visually stunning and has presented so that lay people can arm themselves with truth in the fight against the evil. That is neo. Darwinism to order simply use are handy oriented say channel Dot com forward slash. Out of and right now. Your first two episodes are free or now say channel Dot com slash. Adam are saying the day is Saint Ives. He was born on the twenty third of December Eleven fifteen. He was the bishop of Chartres France from ten ninety until his death and important canonists during the investiture crisis is is claimed have studied at the Abbey of BEC in Normandy under Lefranc of Canterbury where he would met Saint Anselm of Canterbury the Great Scholastic Theologian in ten sixty seven or not much later. He became at the desire of his bishop. Prior of the canons of Saint Quentin at Beauvais as Bishop of Chartres and canonists. He contended strongly against simony and opposed. King Philip the first of Francis Repudiation of his wife Bertha of Holland in order to marry burr trade. Avante you in ten ninety. Two Ives was briefly imprisoned for this opposition. Three extensive chemical works are attributed to him during his episcopacy. He wrote the majority of his work for which he later became famous and he was considered among the greatest scholars of the Medieval era. His liturgical Feast is observed on the twenty third of May and it's not known whether or more when he was canonized. Hundreds of protesters joined barbers and hairdressers giving free haircuts outside the Michigan capital Wednesday in defiance of governor Gretchen Whitmer Corona virus. Stay at home order. The demonstration organized by the Michigan Conservative coalition and dubbed Operation Haircut attracted about three hundred people who oppose the measures whitmer imposed slow the spread of covid nineteen. I will not stand down declared Karo Minke. He's a seventy seven year old Barbara. Who was among about a dozen groomers offering free haircuts at the demonstration Maki gained national recognition after reopening? His shop in a oiseaux earlier this month. He was cited twice and had his license suspended by regulators last week after refusing to close seven barbers or hairdressers were cited for disorderly conduct after refusing to stop cutting hair at the demonstration. Michigan State. Police said The cases were referred to the State Attorney General. The penalty was a misdemeanor punishable by up to ninety days in jail and a five hundred dollar fine or both. The mayor of a small city in Texas said that women should not be allowed to lead the prayers at public meetings of the City Council pointing to two verses in the Bible that he says were meant to be taken literally an email Sunday to fellow. Wiley city. Council member Geoff Forrester Mayor. Eric Hogue urged that a male be chosen to lead the prayers at the next meeting on Tuesday. All I ask. Is that those leading the public prayer. Be Young men hogue who is currently serving his last term as mayor after twelve years wrote as a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ? We take the two verses below literally hoge went onto cited passage from one corinthians that according to his email says let your women keep silent in the Churches Ford is not permitted onto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also say at the law and if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home for. It is a shame for women to speak in the church. He cited another passage from one. Timothy. That said let the women learn silence with all subjection but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence the contents of the email which forced her says was released through an open records. Request was posted on several facebook pages related to hoax politics as well as to the page of the Church. He belongs to. I believe a lady can be president of the United States. I believe a lady can be. Ceo Company Superintendent of School District. But I believe in. This is me when it comes to picking somebody to lead the invocation at a city council meeting because of those two sets versus. I'm going to choose a male. Send Me Your News. Tips to news at Crusade Channel Dot com stay tuned to the crusade channel with live breaking news updates all day the best talk radio anywhere up next the. Mike Church show continues. I'm Stacey Cohan for the crew channel seeking news and finding truth.
Why Nonvoters Choose to Opt Out
"In advance of yesterday's primaries some electoral anxieties of a slightly new variety some analysts say fears about the corona virus could affect voter turnout. We're going to see a lot of very aggressive habits at the polls In the end over three and a half million people voted no appreciable decline in. Turn out bad though. Of course the viruses impact is still relatively limited here in the US. And even under the best of circumstances over forty percent of American citizens. Don't vote in fact in November. Two Thousand Sixteen around a hundred million eligible voters passed. That's more people who voted for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump and. It might be even more than that. Since non-voter statistics seem often to be under reported. Avon Hirsch associate professor of political science at Tufts was an academic adviser on a new knightfoundation. Study the hundred million project. The UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICAN NON VOTERS. It was the largest survey of chronic non voters in history and it overturns some age old conventional wisdom. I think there's a group of folks who think that the non voters are disproportionately Democrats disproportionately minorities disportionately people who are not voting because of a lot of logistical burdens. That they might have that you know. The actual voting and registration process are difficult. I think that's one conventional view I would say. The conventional view among political scientists is a little bit different. It's that non voters and voters are not as different as you might think. Let's talk about non voters? Who are they write? These are people if you look over a set of elections like six elections you know maybe they voted in one but not more than one so they routinely fail to vote in big national federal elections. And the way that we did. This survey is that we separated those who have been in the electorate long enough to have engaged in those elections but chose not to and those are the non voters and then we have people who tend to vote in most elections and then we have this population of young people who they really haven't experienced enough elections that they appear either like a chronic voter or a chronic non voter but you included them anyway. Why their lives and their experience of politics is really really different than older generations. Younger people increasingly into their late twenties. Early Thirties are somewhat nomadic. They're not tied down to communities. They're not marrying and having kids until later and so they're experienced in. Politics is not about being involved in community organizations focusing on policy in their towns even more so than older folks. They're focused on the national presidential and congressional elections so the researchers and the knightfoundation study asked voters directly why they chose not to vote and they responded that the system was rigged. They didn't like the candidates. There were voter suppression efforts. That were too hard to overcome in this again. You think that many of them may be dissembling. Well I think it's you know it's hard for people to reflect themselves why they don't participate. It's true a lot of people who didn't vote. Say they don't like the candidates but guess what a lot of people who voted said. They didn't like the candidates a lot of people who don't vote think the system is rigged but a lot of people who did vote think. The system is rigged. It's easy to use these excuses as just that as excuses rather than thank you know. I just didn't get around to it or wasn't important enough to me you know. I think it's hard for US citizen to say on a survey or even to another person. No I didn't vote because it's not important to me. You also have a certain amount of skepticism when it comes to voter suppression may be for the same reasons. Some voters overcome it. Some don't use suggests that things are so much better than they used to be and the degree of non-voting hasn't gone down. Aren't they really better than they used to be? Though I mean. We see all sorts of efforts in Republican statehouses to suppress the votes in new and innovative ways. Yeah so I don't want to diminish the importance of those questions about voter suppression but if you look over time over the last thirty years what we've seen in the country is a lot of liberalization of election law but a lot of the opposite as well in recent years. I'm talking about closing. Polls or invalidating ballots. I mean I think Stacey Abrams of Georgia would disagree with you over decades. We've seen is polling places open later more early voting same day registration election centers. One after the other are lots of ways that voting become easier over that period of time we have not seen that those logistical barriers when they are removed lead to higher participation rates and that has led a lot of political scientists over time to think. Okay the main impediment to participation are not what we thought they were. Which is like long registration deadlines or the polls are only open nine to five because when communities change those laws we don't see increases in turn out. I think that you may be right that certainly that would suggest that white voters would not have to overcome a lot of inconvenience but these efforts are centered on communities of color and is that inflicting the data. Let me tell you about the skill this okay because I spent about two years of my life as voting rights expert for the Obama Justice Department when that department was engaged in lawsuits with the state of Texas over the Texas voter. Id Law and as a researcher. I was tasked with a colleague in estimating how many people don't have voter. Id How many people of different races don't have a voter ID? And what is the likely effect on? You know participation and what we found very clearly and it was a really complicated analysis. We took every single person in Texas. We found their registration data. Their driver's license their passport all the ideas that they might have and that situation what we found is like there is for sure a disproportionate effect on non white voters particularly African Americans that African Americans in Texas were less likely to have an ID than whites at the same time. We found that the scale of this was pretty low. That is you know. Most people like ninety. Five percent of people did have an idea. And so that's not to say that those issues aren't important. I mean think there was some pretty good evidence. In that case that the law was purposely made as a discriminatory law and that we found the evidence that there was a discriminatory effect at the same time it was targeting a fairly narrow slice of the population. And so I certainly do not want to be a voice saying that voter suppression efforts are not a big deal. I just wanted to make sure that the nuance came through. Which is that. I think they can be very damaging and oftentimes are illegal under the voting rights act or ought to be And while they disportionately do affect minorities and sometimes are targeted to do such. That's not what's going on for most people as the reason they're not voting. Okay I believe that. Non Voters in the study also suggested that they were reluctant to vote because they didn't feel well informed about the candidates and the issues right a lot of people you know especially on local elections but even on an in national elections. It's not that they don't want to vote. It's that you know. They think about the names of the people on that list and they think I don't know these names. I don't know these offices. I don't know what the state auditor does and I don't know who these people are running for something like that and so you know. This is less of a problem in a presidential election between a Democrat and a Republican. But we see this all the time in the lower tiered races where voters genuinely. Don't know what the races are about. And who the contestants are you suggest that some of these people may be dissuaded by news junkies in their community who follow these races both national and local like sports events and the non voters. Don't feel like going to a ball game where they don't understand the rules or no the players. What's interesting about the night study? Is that you see that. A lot of these non voters. They're not all in these political desserts. Like they don't know people around them who vote a lot of them? Do have friends who've Oh but you know if you imagine your non voter you're not that interested in politics. It's not your thing and the people around you not only are voting but like they're talking obsessively about the details of healthcare plans and they're talking about really a minute show about election systems in Iowa. Then you feel even more different from them than if they just were like voter but didn't do much beyond voting so eight hundred first glance. This seems pretty alarming. A hundred million people not voting in two thousand sixteen a larger swath of the electorate voted for either party. But you don't see this as necessarily a political problem right well. I don't necessarily see it as a governmental problem so I think a lot of people might look at this and say we have to do something we need to have some major Systematic change to incorporate more people into the electorate and I think one response to that. Is You know what it's not the government's job. The government's job is to make voting easy and accessible to all and accessible equally among all swaths of the population but it's really the job of Campaigns and political parties and civic organizations and neighborhood associations to make sure their neighbors participate and which of those groups are better organized and better informed and care more about getting their people to the polls. They deserve to win. You know in Australia. You're fine not a lot of money if you don't vote. It isn't that for most people that kind of fine is a hardship but it seems to set a norm. You've done something wrong if you don't go to the polls even if you don't strike a ballot when you get there yet so I would say I have to plug my colleague Anthony Fowler's research. He's done the best research on both Australia. Universal election participation and also. He's looked at this question. The United States and in both settings the United States and Australia. There is interesting finding which is that. Even though the non voters and voters don't look so different from one another as voters are incorporated into election system. The system actually does tilt more liberal so in the United States fowlers found that the people who are closest to the cusp of voting that is the non voters most likely to be mobilized into voting are on the left disproportionately and in Australia. What he found was made this historic changing having universal participation in the Labour Party did better. I would say that as a policy here in the United States one difference that United States has with many other countries is that we have an excessive number of elections so voters are expected to cast ballots. Not only every other year for House and Senate and the president but also for local elections in May and September. And you know I think that universal participation would be a very big left if we enforced it in all of our elections. It's interesting about the liberal. Tilt any theories about. Why one theory of the world is that politics now. Disproportionally supports the preferences of deep-pocketed wealthy individuals who are donating to campaigns and as more people are incorporated into more non voters become voters. You know those voices become more important relative to the deep pockets of wealthy donors that might be able to dominate politics under lower turnout. So leaving. Aside whether or not non voters voting could have a big impact. We're still talking about a large part of the potential electorate whose voices simply aren't being heard so it seems like what we get is a kind of feedback loop right. Non Voters don't vote because politicians aren't speaking to them in their needs because they don't vote and on and on. How do we interrupt that cycle? I mean the play. Devil's advocate the other thing. You can see in the data. Is that if you look at the fact that non voters and voters have pretty similar party affiliations similar preferences about the President and about policies. You might say oh the non voters are doing exactly right. They feel they're well represented by the voters around them. And that's why they're non voters. Did anybody say that in the you know the night study? Did a bunch of these focus groups. I'm not sure I haven't read all of the transcripts. I'm not sure if anyone articulated just as I did. But you know sometimes. The academics have to play. Devil's advocate Tom. Thank you very much for having me. Avon Hirsch is the author of politics is for power. He's a political scientist at Tufts University. And he was an academic adviser on the night. Foundations recent study the hundred million project the untold story of American non voters for more. Otm sign up for our newsletter like us on facebook and follow us on twitter and wash your hands.
What Would A Biden-Harris Administration Look Like?
"One of the big moments on Wednesday night at the Democratic National Convention was former President Obama making the argument that democracy itself is at stake this November this administration has shown it will tear our democracy down. If. That's what it takes for them to win. So we have to get busy building it up. By pouring all our efforts into these seventy six days. And by voting like never before there was also something noteworthy about when Obama wanted to say that to the American people. Initially, convention organizers wanted him to close out the speeches that night with vice presidential nominee Comma Harris going before. But according to multiple reports Obama to switch it up he thought he should go before Harris to show that he was passing the torch. And I'm so inspired by a new generation. You You are pushing us to realize the ideals of our nation. Pushing us to live the values we share consider this what does passing the torch actually look like. What do we know about how a Biden Harris administration would approach things differently from NPR I'm audie cornish in for Kelly mcevers. It's Thursday August Twentieth Support for NPR and the following message come from USA facts which believes that informed public debate can only happen when all Americans have access to the facts see government data that's accessible and understandable at USA facts dot Ahrq. I was actually there for Vice President Joe Biden speech at the last democratic. National Convention. The crowd was loud. Raucous and you could just see thousands of people waving these little signs in the air that just said Joe. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Key difference now, of course is proud. Of You, there won't be one when Biden speaks tonight from his home in Delaware. Another difference Biden back then was still in mourning his adult son Bo had died the year before of brain cancer and Biden focused his message on empathy for people who like his family were suffering. We're thinking about the countless thousands of other people. Who suffered so much more than we have was so much less support. So much less reason to go on. But they get up every morning every day. They put one foot in front of the other. They keep going. That's the unbreakable spirit of the people of America. That's who we are. It's not unreasonable to say that Biden will still beat the same drum positively. But this time the context is very different. The extent of suffering is fast one hundred, seventy, thousand Americans lost in a viral pandemic tens of millions out of work. So. If Joe Biden wins the presidency what will the country? When he takes office. We'd have exploding deficits, men appointment again, the coronavirus crisis, a healthcare system that's gotten weaker over the last four years climate change and weakened international relationships. That Phil Shapiro he ran Congressional Affairs for the Obama Administration and he spoke to NPR Congressional correspondent Davis WHO's here and sue I've covered congress just like you in the last couple of years are not about bipartisanship. So what do we know about what a Biden Administration really could accomplish Right like what would governing look like? Well, we know that Joe Biden has a lot of experience and a lot of relationships. He spent thirty five years in the United. States. Senate. He spent eight years as vice president. He knows how to do this and that's why Phil Shapiro Expects Biden. We'll try to extend a hand to Republicans to come up with bipartisan solutions but as he told me that didn't work so well as time. Didn't SEEM TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS Because they wanted President Obama to own the problems and own fixing the problems most Democrats are skeptical that Abidin Administration would turn out any differently. Here's democratic strategist and former senior Senate aide Mike Spun they're going to need to get Republicans to actually go along early and quickly to disprove the assumption from many on the left that it is impossible. For. Republicans to swing back to the the old days of or bipartisanship part of Biden's pitch is that he knows how to work across the aisle as he often did during his thirty five year Senate career but Senate minority whip Richard Durbin says, that's not how it works. Anymore we've stopped delivering you stopped legislating. Should Democrats win the Senate? This November there will be immense pressure to end the legislative filibuster, which lets any senator block any bill for any reason if it can't get a sixty vote majority. Had this debate I'm not anticipating what the outcome will be, but we knew serious discussion about the future of the Senate Biden long opposed ending the filibuster but he indicated in July that he could support it if Republicans don't WanNa work with him centrist Democratic Congressman Henry are Texas. Things. Biden can succeed where the less Social Obama did not I'll say this very gently I think a precedent Biden will be able to use the The White House. Maybe. David, invite, members over to you know, hey, let's sit down. Let's Talk Republicans are just part of the challenge is a President Biden could face well, Democrats are united on what the big issues are. There are major ideological rifts on how to fix them between moderates like QUASAR and liberals like congresswoman meal Paul of Washington she co chairs, the Progressive Caucus the rising force in the House I think, Joe Biden is going to be forced because of the necessity of desperation across the country to be bold in a way that perhaps he wouldn't have before cove it, and then I think that the movement will push him and. Embrace him as he does that choir counters that the House majority was built by winning swing seats that elected centrists and ignoring that reality would be a mistake as long as we don't let any fringes takeover I think we can work out compromises the burden defined find that compromise within the party will fall to Biden you will lean on his. Many longstanding relationships in Washington. Shapiro says at the top of that list in Congress House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who Marshall through legislative victories for the Obama Administration like the affordable care act which both Biden and Pelosi have sworn to protect would never have thought. She could have gotten even stronger from where she was in two, thousand, nine and ten, but she is. She liro believes Biden will want her to stay. So does. My Need Pelosi. Peck yes. Heck. Yes. Yes. Pelosi has not yet said whether she plans to stay on speaker. If. Biden, wins. So, Sue Davis. Let's come back to this point about the person who can help out a Joe Biden. What does House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wanted to? We'll have to think about the Biden and policy relationship I mean it goes back a long time and there's been so much turnover in Congress that a lot of Biden's old allies just simply aren't in Congress anymore and the Democrats talked you say that she basically is his strongest ally in Capitol Hill in the pressure for her to stick around should Biden Win will be Great Phil Shapiro Shapiro told me that he expected Biden would be likely to ask policy to stay on and a lot of democratic lawmakers say yes, she will. Need to be there if Biden wants to have any level of success passing a legislative agenda. That's NPR's David Sue thanks for explaining at you're welcome. So that's all on the legislative side. Here's another question whether a Biden Administration Justice Department would investigate possibly prosecute a former president trump. Just. Today trump's former campaign manager Steve Bannon was arrested on one hundred and fifty something foot yacht off the coast of Connecticut Federal prosecutors say he was involved in a fundraising scheme with a group called, we build the wall, the president's former attorney. Michael Cohen, and one of his other former campaign manager Paul Manafort have already been convicted of pled guilty to fraud tax evasion you campaign finance violations and a handful of other advisers have faced charges of conspiracy of lying to Congress or to federal investigators. If he leaves office is Donald. Trump next. Would that be a priority for a Biden Harris Administration? Here's NPR justice correspondent Carrie Johnson. Joe Biden approaches the idea of prosecuting president trump very carefully. Here's Biden with NPR Weekend Edition Host Lulu Garcia Navarro who do you envision him a former president being prosecuted if the evidence shows wrongdoing The Justice Department. Is Not. The president's private law firm. The attorney general is not the president's private lawyer. I will not interfere with the Justice Department's judgment of whether or not. They think they should pursue the prosecution then by netted I think it is a very, very unusual thing and probably not very calm. Very how can I say it good for democracy to be talking about? Prosecuting former presidents Biden seems to be on the way to adopting the position of former president Barack Obama back in two, thousand nine the newly elected Obama said he didn't WanNa get hung up on prosecuting wrongdoers. He meant the people who engaged in torture and warrantless wiretapping during the previous administration in steady told ABC News. His instinct was to make sure those practices never happened again and I don't believe that anybody is above the law. On the other hand. I. Also have a belief that we need to look forward as low as postal looking backwards the Obama Justice Department convicted only one person a government contractor for abusing a detainee who later died but Biden could have a harder time drawing those kinds of lines today. It's not at all clear that looking forward and not looking backward isn't available option Harvard Law Professor Jack Goldsmith says most people aren't talking about how a Biden Justice Department might handle donald trump but he says they should. Be Congress and the Manhattan District Attorney have opened investigations into trump his company federal prosecutors have looked at his campaign payments in two thousand sixteen and his inaugural committee. Bringing criminal case against a former president could widen the divide in the country again Jekyll Smith whether that's good for the country is a very hard question. It's gotta be very messy whether it's good for the new administration whether it wants to be absorbed in being the first administration to ever prosecutor prior president. Those are very hard questions there could. Be a lot of political pressure. Some of Biden's rivals for the Democratic nomination didn't seem to think trump case would be a hard call California Senator Kamala Harris pointed to evidence of obstruction of justice uncovered by special counsel Robert Muller here's Harris now Biden's vice presidential pick talking to the NPR politics podcast last year I. do believe that we should believe Bob Muller when he tells US essentially that the only reason an indictment was not returned is because of a memo in the Department of Justice that suggest you. CanNot, indict a sitting president. Of course when he was a candidate Donald Trump called his opponent Hillary Clinton crooked and ate it up when crowds called for Clinton to be incarcerated remember retired general Michael Flynn on stage four years ago at the Republican National Convention that's right locker up the trump administration brought no charges against Clinton but it has launched investigations and a former FBI Director Jim Komi his deputy Andrew McCabe and the intelligence gathering process in two thousand sixteen investigations the president mentioned on twitter almost every day. NPR, Justice correspondent Carrie Johnson additional reporting this episode from our colleagues at all things considered and from the staff of NPR's Washington desk, which by the way they've been putting out daily episodes of the NPR politics podcasts late each night recapping the Democratic convention, and they'll be doing that next week for the Republican convention as well. So you can get caught up on everything that happened first thing the next morning. For more coverage, download the NPR. One APP or listen to your local public radio station and remember supporting that Station makes this podcast possible I'm audie Cornish. We're back with more tomorrow. It's presidential campaign season. Donald Trump is doubling down on appealing to just his base and Joe Biden. He's trying build a big broad coalition of anyone who might give him a vote I talked to political reporters. This see strategy might work listen. To It's been a minute from NPR.