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Explorers & Contenders: Annie Oakley
"Hello from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan. And this is encyclopedia Lamonica. Today's contender was famous. Sharp shooter and Wild West Performer. She traveled around the world wowing audiences with her abilities and thriving in a male dominated sphere. Let's talk about Annie. Oakley Annie. Oakley was born phoebe and Moses on August thirteenth eighteen sixty in Dark County Ohio when Anne was sits. Her Father Jacob died from pneumonia and his mother. Susan wise soon remarried but her second husband died suddenly two with eight children and very little income. Anne's family was sent to the county's poor farm. These institutions predated federal safety nets like Medicare and social security residents often dealt with miserable living conditions while battling the cultural stigma of needing help and he was placed with local families where she would work in exchange for room and board. She started hunting at eight years old from the start and he was a gifted shot selling her game to local restaurants to help support her family. At fifteen annie's hunting skills paid off the mortgage on her mother's farm that same year she traveled to Cincinnati to compete in a shooting competition with Frank e. Butler Butler was a traveling marksman who made bets with local communities that he could beat anyone in a sharp shooting match. Anne made all twenty five shots. Butler missed the final one. The two started courting and married soon after eighteen seventy six and he was sixteen years. Old Butler continued butlers tour of the country with Anne acting as his assistant despite her skills and he was responsible mostly for holding up items for Butler to shoot. All of that changed our. May I eighteen? Eighty two when Butler's partner fell ill anne filled in on stage and from then on and he was officially part of the act after touring for a year with the sells brothers circus. Anne and Butler joined Buffalo. Bill's wild west show. It was Anne who had been given the name little. Shir shot by LAKOTA. Sioux leader sitting bull really rose to fame. Butler eventually chose to serve as her stage assistant and manager even by today's standards any stunt were jaw-dropping. She would shoot glass balls and coins out of the air and cigarettes out of her husband's mouth her show often opened with her skipping onstage lifting her rifle and in one shot snuffing out the flame of let candle. Anne and Butler remained with Buffalo. Bill's show for sixteen years. The tour took them all around the world. They performed for Queen. Victoria's golden jubilee in England and travelled through Spain Italy and France. Every time she stepped on stage and he proved that women were more than capable of using firearms challenging the disciplines. Masculine reputation. She publicly encouraged women to learn how to use a pistol and to carry it in their purses arguing. Self defense was empowering in nineteen one after returning to the United States and Butler were in a train crash. Any injured her back and stopped touring two years later in nineteen. Oh three it was reported in Chicago that Anne had been arrested for stealing a man's trousers and selling them for cocaine. Despite the story being entirely false the woman arrested had used the fake name any Oakley News outlets ran with it. Anne sued every paper that ran the false accusations over seven years. She won fifty four or fifty five cases in one thousand nine hundred seventeen. The United States entered World War. One and he wrote to the secretary of war. Henry L Stimson offering to fund raiser regiment of female volunteers to fight. She also offered to help. Teach soldiers how to accurately shoot. Neither offer was accepted in nineteen twenty two any began preparing to tour again but a car accident delayed her plans after a year of recovery anti finally returned to the stage soon though any fell sick and in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. She moved back to Ohio to be closer to her family. Annie Oakley died on November Third Nineteen Twenty Six. She was sixty six years old. Her husband Frank. E Butler died three weeks later the two had been married for fifty years in nineteen forty six a fictionalized version of Annie and Butler's love story debuted on Broadway as the Irving Berlin musical. Annie get your Gun Ami thing you can do. I can do better. I could do anything better than you. Yes I can yes I can to this day. The show is still regularly performed by theaters around the country. All month. We're talking about explorers and contenders on Sundays. For taking a break. From our normal episodes to highlight women we previously covered. 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EPISODE #311 "Annie Are You Oakley? Are You Oakley, Annie?!"
"It's time once again for America's favorite show the radio adventures of duck. Serb loyd brought to you by Tech Floyd Dot Com this week starring Frank Khan as Buffalo Bill Cody and curious. Soltan has any of the year is eighteen ninety six the places Elgin Illinois on this hot August afternoon. Eight thousand residents of the town and surrounding areas have packed films. Where in hopes of seeing some of the legends of the Wild West including the woman now entering her dressing ten. Are you ready for this show? I'm Annie Oakley little sure shot always ready to show folks how ladies shoot suing the over the shoulder shut this afternoon. Course may even get the issue ashes off a cigarette in someone's mouth that always gets Yeah I reckon it does too bad. People don't get the message of smoking is bad for you own. Well has any Oakley prepares performance. We now turn our attention to a dark alley a few blocks to the south where for boating black time and space suddenly materializes. It's the ship of that corrupt criminal. Mastermind Dr Steve and it sucks shaped assistant. We off just a few blocks away buffalo. Bill cody is presenting his wild west show featuring none other than Phoebe and Moses. You've never heard of her. Oh of course you have so you probably know her by her more well known name any Oakley who is Annie Oakley yes she's just only the best woman shop shooter that ever lived or she could shoot just about anything you asked to shoot a dime thrown into bid air at nine hundred feet. Oh she was alleging with just think of how much of that needs pistols would fetch on Ebay in our own time. Now Hurry up and put on your disguise. Stephen Scheming steal one of Anne always pistols. Is there anyone that can prevent this maniacal mastermind from achieving his dastardly deed? Hopefully we'll be are here on the world leader in forward thinking that big brain with small I had the world's most brilliant scientists duct Appeals there wait a minute which is very grand. Yes Dr Floyd just your video dish. Nope that's not mine. Where did you find it? We're here? We're Mr Beardie Jen's create used to be. He must have left us a message before we dropped him off. Let's put it in look. It is Mr Beauty. Jin what the heck is this supposed to mean? I Dunno practice subtitles button and see what does that. Do you stutter. Floyd chip says. We're picking up some strange readings from around the edges of the time and space stream warm. Or what kind of readings chips on the main screen. Look at that Dr Floyd. What are those things moving around the edges of the wormholes net? You're what they could be. I've never seen anything like it before. Should I sit the computer to try? And Dr Steve is maintained jump. We'll have to investigate what those are leaders chips make a time jump to get up with Dr Steve. Heroes jumped through the very fabric of time itself. They have no idea. They're being watched by two ominous shadows hovering in the time in space. They've made another time jump else. Let's go off to them. No you know what the king said he said. We're only to watch and gather information. The time will come to deal with them soon. Enough you all right. I'll call in the report. His Majesty must be in far. Who are these two eagle-eyed watchers times face stream answer that question? We'll have to wait. Is there more pressing events occurring in the year? Eighteen ninety six any oakland just finished sharpshooting demonstrations here. Braniac WE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Thank you folks and remember that. Smoking upbeat veteran members of Captain Dart's Battery D fifth regimen of the US artillery that announcer off every time and he'll be makes her way back to work. She does she encounters to rather scruffy looking job and that was awfully good. Shooting out them is okay. Thank you Hon. You boys enjoy the show. What was that? Oh don't pay no MIND TO MISS. Oakley got himself a speech impediment. He says he enjoyed the show. Just fact well that's good you boys here with your parents know. Actually Ma'am we're we'll we're off in. Our mother and father passed on several years ago but unfortunate accident with mechanical rice picker. Now we live on the streets and I take care of my brother here why that is just the saddest store at heard this is. It is quite a good story. I mean I mean it is very sad. Lost my father at an early age and then my step father after that. Yes yes I know. I read about that on the website. I mean I didn't know that when now we just tried to find the odd job here and there to earn us a bit of money boys know how to do. Maybe I can give you a job tonight so you can earn a little scratch. That would be most kind Miss Oakley. We're good at several things that have mending fences whitewashing fences shining pistols of legendary shop. Shooting Lanc no need for any fences being mended or whitewashed but I do have a pistol here that needs some Shannon. Why don't you two boys fall me over to the ten? We'll get jaw said Miss Oakley Ma'am you us so not seeming pitcher. Follow any Oblique Tour. Ten while our heroes. Tucker Floyd is younger. Protege Dr Grand. Their FAITHFUL ROBOT. Companionship's land their spaceship the 1896. Wow Dr Floyd. The town looks pretty empty. I think there'd be some people around what poster he means this one. It's for the Buffalo Bill. Cody Wild West show. That must be where everyone is. And I'm willing to bet. Dr Steve is quick. Go into the cargo. Hold and get a change of clothes for this time period chips you stay with shipping. Just a few minutes. Dr Floyd Grand Walking Up to Fountain Square or Buffalo Bill. Cody's wild west show is gearing up for their second show of the day to grant. Why did you get his cowboy? Which for trump. These aren't really period closed for a city in eighteen. Ninety six well we are going to a wild west show so I just thought we should dress appropriately. Don't you like my ten gallon hat? Yes it's very nice. Well it's not as Nice as your two pint tat Dr Gray and older out there you to grant turn around and come face to face with a tall cowboy with long hair and not. Golly you're buffalo bill cody. Aren't you that I am? And you must be the new performers for the whole of the deadwood stagecoach. Actually we Anson. I don't have time to stand around here. A Yak in getting there and see the horse master about which horses Yobe Rat. We're not really geared as Buffalo Bill. Cody redesigned website. Arm Duck. Avoid Dr Grant. Turn Tail and run into the showgrounds. Will they be able to prevent Christif swiping one of these guns realized that the two children she took it or not children? Oh just wondering the odds of losing both parents to mechanical rice picker by next week on the radio but just smoking is bad for you.
"Hi I'm Ali Gert Julia Prescott and we're going round springfield. Weeden rush. That I am so excited. I mean I'm just going to roll into it because you guys already know you saw. Who is our guest today on the show description and This is a favourite of our previous iteration of Simpson's podcast called. Everything's coming up Simpson's here the maximum fund narrative. It heard of it. I hope maybe New People are jumping in out with okay only old fans and I mean old fans. You're okay you mean like what the like. Fake five the Cool Air. I like that. Yeah well high. Aarp people meaning my mom. Hi Mom if you're listening I hope you are. I want you and you alone to please. Welcome our guest today He is a former show runner of the simpsons heard of it and has a resume that is so sparkly and wonderful and Nice. And I'm sure you're already familiar with so many of the other things that he's worked on. Please everyone welcome Bill Oakley. I'm waiting for the applause for purely hung up when I started my very sweaty and I know I just want to say thank you. Everybody appreciate obviously. You're applaud your car or your Jen. Whatever you're doing so thank you. It's my pleasure to be here. We're super excited to. How do you on this version of the show because we really really want to be able to talk to Simpson's people about their time before the simpsons and after and kind of just get a fuller picture of who made the best show of all time and it's a it's a very free form show but we had a couple of things that we definitely WanNa talk about one? We want to start with is a little unpleasant? What the fuck was thrilling thinking? Yeah let's just dive. In to the controversy of the moment. Should we back up and explain the situation mill? You give us a I a a taste of what you do. I would be shocked if people don't know about your instagram. Because it's taking over a a new generation of fast food lovers but that tell us a little bit about Your your fast food. Love and and lead us into what happened with realist. Okay I will. This is one of the things I assumed we were going to get to. So I'm going to just jump into it right front air. Yes this is like this is not my occupation. Occupation is my hobby because it doesn't pay a cent. Although I have tons of delicious Japanese pringles you paid in like chips and McDonald seems to have a massive crush on you. I feel like every six months. You Post like some love letter that is like you know written in quill. You know they love everything that you're doing so you do get paid in that unlike for instance Taco Bell which stood studiously ignores me. Mcdonald's it's not taken that route him and I ha I have to say I appreciate it but I still like. I thought I was caught off the list after I didn't like their new chicken sandwich. But but no this new one showed up this anyway so just for those unfamiliar I have always had a great deal of interest in fast food and snack food tear life and I used to just kind of tweet about it And then when McDonald's decided to introduce their new fresh beef quarter pounder which was a year and a half ago. I went out. I was GONNA tweet about it and I was like nobody wants to read eleven tweets about this. Why don't I just don't buy softening it and and see what happens and I did it and I put the video on Instagram. And it got a lot of attention. I mean a lot of attention for someone sixty eight followers at that point and then I just kept doing it and it kept kind of building. It's became its own thing so now I'm actually taken seriously. By some fast food grips not and also not just fast food. Because I do. It's all the kind of food that I like. Which is fast food? It's snack food. It's potato chips. Cheese PUFFS SODAS. It's beer sometimes liquor And it's also Stuff overseas a lot of people. Sending a lot of it is crowd source material. People send me stuff whether when vacation in Japan or Serbia or didn't Asia and reviews of like the new McDonald's things that are coming out there. Those are on the instagram story. So I have I have kind of over the past year and a half almost two years now fashioned myself into an instagram quote unquote influence in the area of food. And it's taken seriously too because people especially like you know. Yahoo News writes about the new whether a Burger King stock is doing. We'll quote my review burgers and stuff like that so I have warmed my way into the official food journalism things. Although I still don't make any money from can I interject just for a second before? We get into the controversy as a viewer in a fan of your videos. I would say that you know part of the reason why. I think that they've like gone to the surface of I would call fast food twitter in fast food. Instagram is because of the care that you give to these videos. I think we talked about this. Maybe the live. Show that you edit them in your phone maybe using movie but you use like royalty free rock in a way that I feel is really inspirational. It's it's not royalty Free Not Oh folks I have had to. I've consulted with two lawyers about this and that's part of the is that I it's kind of in a gray area and don't make any money or selling ads. They say it's probably okay for me and a half years realty free music which I think will be put a kind of a royalty for. You're not there rocking jams You've got like these like swipes that you use and transition. They're just like produced in a way that I think is elevated beyond. What your normal like raw twitter video is and you could tell that there is real passion there too when you review these items and. I also think that you know you being of like the background that you're coming from in like venturing into this part of fast food twitter and instagram just feels more genuine than like some twenty year old. Being like this is another way for me to get famous like you could tell when you bite into that you know Doritos Locos Taco that you really care about what you're eating and you're review and also I want to say that I am very happy and proud to have you on the front of defending the Double Decker Taco as being the greatest invention by Taco bell and like what a blight for them to take it away so I just wanted to say thank you for your service. Thank thank you for for remarking upon my service and my suspicion is that they're going to bring it back and this is just some sort of temporary thing where they wanted to stir up at opportunity to bring it back with a lot of fanfare. You know. That's that's classy out. But in any case yes you're right and I like I didn't invent this format by a wide margin. There's a guy named drops on youtube who who is generally credited with inventing the in-car fast food review in his refusal great. We've corresponded a little bit. Mine I KEEP. I try to keep it all of my activities confined to Instagram so as not to compete with Youtube guys who are also like they got a million followers laying damn drops and review of the week. That's not even. I'm not even in that ballpark. Also the INSTAGRAM video. Instagram video is limited. Fifty nine seconds. Which I think is a blessing because I don't I would never WANNA do a fifteen minute review of any burger in my car. Fifteen seconds is perfectly adequate and I think that's part of one of the things that people like about the reviews that their blessedly short just for people who probably I like. That name sounds familiar. Damn drops The Oh my goodness. Oh my damn song on Sanga Five. That's him honestly one of the best songs of all time. I'm not sure if if everyone is familiar with this. I'm not oh my goodness Oma Damn I do my goodness. It's so song by that Julia. I cannot wait to watch this but basically it later when I do people probably have Are familiar with the Song of people who just will take a viral youtube video and then change it so it sounds like a song. Rats how Kimmy Schmidt has their opening. It's based on that. It's an incredible song. I really would love for them to turn one of bills INSTAGRAM's stories into a into a big hits here I. It just been set if they don't you know I know it's different. It's poppy all to like an acoustic folk version. But we need some type of music to really. I think honor. What what you're doing to have the your lawyer statements go from. Probably okay to absolutely okay. Which is the Simpsons Pod? Promise well maybe this you know what that sets up. A nice new transitioned the intellectual property aspect of this of this genre sets up. And he transitioned to your original question. Which is this through listening. So but I didn't invent fast food review by any stretch of the imagination and I didn't buy do I kind of sort of maybe invented the fast food award show. Okay you got out one hundred percent like there's obviously there's been fast food awards probably for fifty years like in restaurant. Business magazine I was there was in high times magazine used to do one which is very apt printed award. You know it's like you're five nominees. Whatever like the the thing that I did was in word show was somewhat of a parody of a of a standard award show like the Oscar them easing. I'm wearing Tuxedo. And the whole thing blown way out of proportion because you know the fast food is a little red thing and and the comedy comes from the position of me in a Tuxedo a warning Taco via so and I started like that was two years ago or nearly two years ago and it's called the St Mary's which is based on my my burden and my and my my curse and my blessing of being known mainly as the steam guy named to people yell steam. Tam's that you on the strike when you're going to the airport steamed you mentioned it quite a bit too much except for my political tweets on Washington Post. So that's that's another thing that's dope this into this because many people probably already know this. I do this award show called this team. He's there are ten awards their instagram videos or seconds apiece for best best type of Vitamin Best Taco best potato chip flavor. And I always get a celebrity. I saw a somewhat of a celebrity to present them and and whether it just be someone who's a friend of mine instill well-known like Chris onstad creator aac would or someone like Barunholtz who presented our award this year. Kind of a movie star. Were also because it's an ECLECTIC bunch like Peter Sago from wait. Wait don't tell me. And I got tingey Lopez. Who is the one over respected chefs and food writers? I also got Jessica Cisneros. Who's running bureau? Who People say the next. Afc WHO's running for Congress in Texas so anyway that the people who probably that don't need to hear it again anyway. I would say that I. Maybe I did the fast food award show at least as a as it being a parody of Hollywood award show okay so then you ask about through this year about three weeks ago. Thrill List Dot Com. Which as you know is I don't want to criticize them too much as to I'd rather not I'd rather not scratch. This wound. Healed somewhat announced their own fast food award show called the fast with logo like a local. That's kind of similar to my logo and the name that's extremely similar to my name and also had the had the temerity to issue a press. Release saying this was the fast food the first fast food award show of all time. That's so screwed. Yeah Yeah so they I mean God. Bless the people who follow me on twitter. Most of them were ninety nine percent of the more not crazy kind of took to both twitter and instagram. To like tell through like what the score was And I mean it didn't really change anything because through. This kind of an impermeable is impervious to criticism. That started told nature. I've heard other people like in Carmel. Of all fantasy everything basically said that they re pissed off and they did and only about two days later. They did all fantasy everything. Rip Off of fast food which is exactly the episode of all fantasy everything that I hit a period upon God. Do you have an axe working? They're they're shameless. The only thing they've done so but like the fact of the matter is their thing. I didn't watch it and it's not. It was a thirty minute Youtube Event. And that's a very different form. Thank God it's a very different format than my ten instagram videos. Rolling out to for day over weak. And so you know it's over and I hope that we don't hear from that thing again. Though it's it also had a little bit strange cross promotion we're like del. Taco was tweeting about it and and the long John Silver's tweeting about it and it seemed like you know at least the by wards there's some pretense of fairness where we're not enlisting. The people were giving the awards to to promote it and That seemed a little fishy in my mind. That wraps up. I think we've covered my instagram. And obviously anyone who's the slightest bit interested in a fast food snack food or whatever should check it out and it's acting locally on Instagram And I do this pretty much every day. There's new content on at least my instagram story. Which is often foreign fast food reviews or whatever people sending what I love is that you do re post other people's reviews it feels very interactive in that you are forming a community in a way or just interacting with the community already existed. It's it's really really cool. In that way they send me the refuse. Always ask permission to post them to spray on and because other that's I don't like sources that are appropriate content without adding all right so as you said this is not. This is more of a hobby a passion project. Then maybe something that you put on a resume. You have done so much cool work. Obviously that people love and adore. We recently interviewed Josh about some of the projects that you guys had worked on but you had told us that they were a couple of things that never were filmed that you guys had worked on some pilots. Can you share anything about that? Oh Yeah I got about seven things as a roadmap for Josh's episode which was terrific by the way you guys were using our IMDB which only list projects that were actually made right and that only represents probably about percent of the projects we've done over the years and also As we progress further I can talk about products that we've done separately to. We started as you discuss. We started working separately around two thousand nine ten So but there's a number of fairly interesting projects we did together that are worthy of talking about one of which. I would like to discuss foray into the world of movies. Yeah which fucking sucks like like screen. I think the thing that's like screen. There's a certain level of screenwriter. Who is very in demand and and you know always getting asked too expensive Reno two-week punch-ups for a hundred thousand dollars and stuff like that. And I think the rest of screenwriters are kind of like the working stiffs. And there's so much stuff that the raiders give has been fighting against for deck for more than a decade now like sweepstakes pitching when it's like they WANNA do they. WanNa do a bewitched movie everybody. They want ten thousand people to walk in the door with a tape for free. And that's called sweepstakes pitching I call bake off to. I don't know if you don't have much time. It takes to do that. Like redevelopment is L- expensive and like that's like but I will say that that we did it for what we did it for a couple of things we did it for one for Gilligan's island movie and we got it will be an this was. This was actually extremely. I think the thing is that a lot of people think you'll guns island is stupid and Brady Bunch of stupid and the worker Sherwood Schwartz is crummy we love show which Schwarzman he's one of my greatest heroes in the history of television like the Brady. I have religious devotion to the Brady Bunch. I'm glad to hand the Brady bunch movies. Were fucking great. Yeah I agree. I think that was the woodstock of our generation. Yes but I'm fifteen years older than you or whatever so I don't know what else we're children of divorced. Cool Dad's the RUGRATS. He'll be was your get out of here. Okay pokemon movie anyway so this so at the Brady would we went. We came up with this. Take for Gilligan's island which is basically just kind of weaving together. All the greatest episodes like the seven greatest episodes of going inside that already existed and into a larger story about them getting rescued and so forth. And we got. And we met with Sherwood Schwartz a couple of times and it was fantastic and he was really nice and I was so delighted. Because sometimes you meet guys like this your heroes and they're assholes but this guy was great and it was a huge honor to work with him and his son Lloyd Schwartz and we sold this movie and and it was gonna make we were GONNA make it. And then they just he couldn't get the rights. Because you know what sure which own all the rights to Gilligan's island Phil Silvers State of Phil Silvers owns the rights to give one's island and basically over the course of the next several years it just gradually fell apart because they couldn't get the rights the Schwarz's could not get the rights to their own. Thank God the Phil Silvers. So that was one thing we did. Then we did. I think we basically did a rental before five other movie things. Would it be? Okay if I interjected with with Gilligan's island story yeah so I was just thinking about how when I had started working at mad magazine A lot of crazy people are mad. Fans a lot of really normal amazing people are met fans. But wow about so many things in Hollywood. I mean it takes a certain type of person who's going to find out how to contact an editorial mad. You know I got this message. It's already so bad This is a direct message to my personal twitter account The Sky said a smart funny cutie. Like you should want mad magazine to adapt my book as a special issue About Trump's island. It's hilarious and it's an all it needs as illustrations plus Gilligan's island is owned by Warner Brothers. So it would be very easy to do you smart. Funny Cutie. You helped me sell this and I will like you on J. Date. Kenyans also not chewing. Have you ever received like this? You smart funny q. U. I don't get enough one Sam Donaldson ideas but yeah I would. I need to get a few more than what I what I like to keep the twitter direct messages open man. But there's there's a folder where it shows the requests right And then you get to accept or decline it. So this was in my accepted erm. Im restricted section. But so he follows up and he says he tells me how to do it. He says all you have to do is tell business affairs to option the book. I rep the writer bigger salary than your current companion mad about trump That it's not have any new material about trump's island And he just goes on and tells me how why it's GonNa be Great But basically his idea was to have young trump On the island in nineteen sixty nine and so he wants to have a Gilligan's island with trump. Do you think your idea is better than this. Yeah Implant Twenty Five Thousand Norfolk thing is. I can actually see a universe in which that might be amusing for a page or two. It makes me so mad and I just had to say that because when else would I share my right appraiser message so after after that project ended up unfortunately not working out because of the Rights What what were the other projects that you guys were doing. We did a couple other movies in this was probably in the mid two thousands and both the good thing about it is. We've got pay to write these next two movies. I can tell you that we actually got paid to write them in the payment's pretty good so it wasn't like all bad but like the thing about movies you hit like TV development is bad and it is bad but movies is worse so anyway this we did this movie. Okay and this is one of our favorite things we ever wrote so I wanted to bring it up was called Ruprecht and it was about ensure that you very familiar with cramps and you know how Santa Claus in in all the legends that That you know from the seventeen eighteen hundreds Santa Claus had a partner and it's usually come cramps but he's also called Ruprecht who was Punish the bad children like the whole idea of Santa Claus of there being a Christmas. Where wherever we gets presence was only invented by department stores in the in the early nineteen hundreds. It used to be that there was a dark part of Christmas to work Santa clauses partner who goes by cramps or Ruprecht we punish the bad children and and and and the good children get presents from Santa and the other children would get coal or taken away to sack by these by Santa Clauses Partner. Right. I'm sure you've all heard that or you think so okay. So this was long before the movie campus and before this was general knowledge. I think it became become kind of a trendy thing at least to like bike. Grampus cards stuff about ten years ago. Anyway we came up with the recall of Ruprecht inspired by this by this legend and it was Santa Clauses Partner. And basically if you imagine that cynical if you imagine Jack Black as repressed and wearing a purple outfits kinda similar like Santa Clauses but looks like Willy Wonka outfit that was the character and basically what had happened is that due to a plot which later revealed Ruprecht had become frozen about one hundred years ago and Santa Claus that had not been able to find. They just continued on and it was kind of based on the partnership of Lennon McCartney and and reprint with John Lennon with Kinda dark star rated in Santa Claus was a good hearted soul who is just like. He just wanted to give presents to people. You WanNA punish everyone. And Santa Claus had become exploited by commercial interests. So that as we all know now even total jerks get a lot of great Christmas presents if kids and rich diggers are rewarded more than ever with than they ever were added repair unfrozen and comes back to write all this so it's but also a key in Santa Claus our friends and they have a basically what happens. They have all these these adventures and repurchase can't believe what an old softy Santa clauses and finally he just knocks him out and takes over Christmas himself and he gets you know fixes the system whereby rich EU JERKS. Get everything and and he so anyway. That's the general premise of the movie. It was a huge. It was hugely successful as a script at this was at Disney and the coverage. You know I'm sure you know what coverages which is when most people don't read most executives don't read scripts they have someone write up a two page summary with a little review of it And coverage at that time was the Tory asleep bad like hard to get anything to get a good to get a good review and this got a great review got uncharacteristically rate review and. I think that they agree. They shared our hope. That like this would become a Disney character like repressed would become a character that you would see You know in the parade at Disney and stuff like that and then it's so we were thrilled. And then what happened? Was there was a shakeup in the Disney Executive ranks and they needed a DA for Santa Claus. Three for the Santa Clause three when and end the one with Martin. Short Glenn Jack Frost and so basically what happened was certain elements of our script. We were told or extracted for use. As as part of parts of the Santa Clause three with Martin. Short playing this character called Jack Frost who comes to screw Christmas for Tim Allen and that was the end of our so because they bought the script commute they have the rights to extract like pieces of it and just annihilate it according to the producer they extracted elegance and ideas from it. That are not really like they're going to do about it. They own script and and it's also they didn't. The fact is that even if they hadn't extracted the it depends on who you talk to. They still weren't GonNa make another similar movie within the next couple of years with. That's so our thing was effectively dead at Disney. So that was end of that story right immediately after that we did another movie called the optimus which is one of my favorite things we ever wrote. we strongly Sean William Scott is of course stiffler and there was a certain period where he was a he was. He's a great guy by the way where he was going to be the next big thing and it was like he was. It was after American Pie and it was. I think it was before goon and it was all this movie. There were a couple of movies like Mr Woodcock which he may have and during the tennis coach which he was starting in both of them and they were both predicted to be. Huge comedy successes. So we were so lucky to get on board the Sean William Scott Train and he wanted district next movie and just too much detail. It was a movie about a guy who was born without the gene for unhappiness so he could never be unhappy and he was always happy and always found the light he always found the good side of everything And you know which is like in certain ways it seems great and other ways it's horrifically upsetting and so basically it was a story a kind of a quest and he met we went to New York and he met a woman and he became in the stock market which would really honestly only works on optimism and a lot of money and had her but then like things started to become bad when he couldn't see you know he could feel other emotions so anyway that was that movie was This was for new line and it was all set to go. It was going to be next movie. And then Mr Woodcock comes out and bombs and Gary. The tennis coach comes out and bombs. And they don't want no longer wanted to make movies starring shoveling. Scott so that was the story anyway. That's the kind of the happens not only movies TV. So I covered. That's all I wanted to go into. That's all I wanted to talk to you about regarding our movie Lula Da. We're GONNA take a quick break then Produce a little bit more. I'm Dave Hill from before and I'm very excited to bring Dave Hill's podcasting incident back to maximum phone were blogs you can get brand new episodes every Friday a maximum fund dot org or you know whatever and one of my partner Chris Beckon I might lack specific subject matter on our podcast. We make four and special effects. Chris add something cool right here also. We have explosions animal noises. And sometimes even this Dave Hill's podcasting incident every Friday a maximum fund. Chris do another explosion. Back what a great break. That was a good product. We really should have saved. That for the PODCAST. So one of the questions I have and I think something People are kind of curious about is How how does it feel? And how do you handle going through something where you really put a lot of effort into and you really are happy with the actual work and it go? How do you cope with that For better or for worse yeah. I'm excited that you asked this question and also I know that my opinion about this is different. Josh's which is why I'm thrilled to get into this. It's like it's difficult. You can't become too attached to anything. That's the unfortunate thing here. My philosophy is you always gotta have three things going at any one time and and it's actually been increased to five over the past couple of years Because any project is liable to die at any second. That's the unfortunate thing in for no for sometimes mostly for reason way beyond your control like I was just thinking about this before the podcast. You remember there. Was this going to be the show. Two or two and a half years ago. That sounded like the best thing ever. That was GONNA be run by Greg Daniels. You guys. I'm sure know who he is and it was going to be enemy show on. Tbs and it was starring Louis C. K. And Albert Brooks when they were playing and the show was ordered and they were in production. And I think they'd already written most of the scripts. Were already animating them. And then this whole Louis C. K. Thing came out about all these. A. Of shocked women and he became a toxic and the whole fucking show just ended sudden and that was an all the millions of dollars had been spent into spending this thing and all the works had been put into it. They just shut the doors and sent everyone home by thanking replace Louis. I don't know I mean the thing is it's like who knows he probably had ownership stake in the show railway and then that would lead to more millions of dollars etcetera we. C K You said at first or tragic thing would be that the star of your show suddenly die. That's happened to people that I know in the past and there's like but a lot of times in the most common thing is there's some executive somewhere at the top at a lot lower level that you'd never interacted with who doesn't like it or didn't get it and you get a call from the executive the you know who's like unfortunately so didn't respond and that's the end of your project and I will tell you this. I'm not going to go into great detail about this because I'm still makes me red with rage projects. I did last year evolving a certain piece of intellectual property that I've loved my whole life. It's not mad magazine but it wouldn't be that dissimilar from it magazine or I spent about a year developing this thing developing the world's most detailed pitch for this animated show involving this piece of intellectual property and then the executive that I was working with quit because the company was so fucked up. He couldn't take it another second. He quit. They replaced him with someone who was did not get it. Maybe do another several more drafts with his creek notes and then they never called me back like six and that was that was the end of the fucking project and I make an fortunately my agency which at the time was. Uta before we want the fire agents responded in a really good responded the way you would watch the respond which is that this piece of Ip was banned executives were banned from coming to you and I salute them for that but still it was such a colossal waste of time. I'm happy to that's why I'd say I personally always have three to five things going. And they're not I'M GONNA say they're going in terms of like they're sold their things that I'm interested in doing so the moment I hear I got a call that that product is dead while I'm like I drag it to the folder from from the projects to the dead projects folder and I moved to the other one. That's still has my interest in the same folder That's so wise to do because I think a lot of people that are just coming into pursuing a career in Hollywood. Think that you have to be all in on one thing and for me. Personally I get so much anxiety having any situation where all my eggs in one basket because of what you're describing that it can be so fickle and it's like so outside of your control. I respect I totally do respect that point of view because I think the thing is that those people and I am this way to. They think that you don't really love the product. It's a common belief that like this. You're all in on this on project unless you're all night with all your heart Not going anywhere and that can be true. That is true but the thing is you gotta be all in with all your heart and soul on three projects yes absolutely and I also will say I learned a hard lesson where I may have been like to transparent to the people that I was working with that I was sort of balancing different projects and I would say to other people that are looking to break in Work on several projects. But keep your mouth shut that you're working on several projects like make. It seemed like you were all in on one thing so that people don't perceive you in mischaracterize you as being too busy or distracted because they'll project onto that and now. I'll try to fuck you over. Yeah that I totally agree with you. That's excellent so in this vein. I'm GonNa Talk to you about three other products. We dance it. Never nobody ever heard of that. Were also among our favorite things ever and like I'd say probably twenty. We've done a lot of development and as Josh that we like to pitch and we'd come up with new ideas and sometimes and some of these things were more fun than others to do And but they all ended in some dumb way. Yes I wanNA hear this guy's Allen coming. Is that unusual guy? Production OF CABARET FOR THIRTY YEARS OFF AND ON. He's so funny show with him that we that we came up with it was so crazy and it was like he and his brother. He had a brother who we would have cast someone who was pretty pretty much like him. A were kind of like twin brothers who lives in this old dilapidated a townhouse New York and it was based on the story of the Collier Brothers who were those famous horrors like they were kind of rich guys and they lived in this gigantic townhouse and look the nineteen twenties and thirties and it was just filled to the brim with garbage. And they died there. You know what I'm talking about. No but I know great gardens and it sounds like the mail one thousand nine hundred eighty s version of this. Yeah well it's kind of a legendary most famous hoarders of and so we created this. Show starring Alan Cumming. But they're they're starting allen coming and a guy who presumably would look like him to pick these guys and it was kind of like being there where where they they kind of merged into the world and everything was to do with fascinating to them but they also had a lot of money so they can make things happen and it was really it was kind of like an uplifting show and it really had heart and that also immediately down the tubes because even though Alan Cumming was there and he loved it he was in the room. It was not right. I can tell you it was not right for. Cbs right for Fox at the time and they were just like what I've never picked anything worthy executives were more like. What are you talking right of passage in and of itself and you think about like CBS? And it's like that no. It's totally wrong. Like this thing would have been a cable thing but this this would have been on net flicks probably in this modern environment but it was ten years before netflixing existed. Of course you have a history of doing things that are ahead of its time. Mission Hill is like such a like. It's amazing that it came out when it did. It could have come out recently and still been really fresh. I'm saving that for last women of information regarding that Okay so here's the two other things we did to other great things. We did were screwed up by the writers by rather various writers strikes. Josh already talked about ward which was which was business class which was probably the thing that we had most outlook get into details to repeat that but basically it was on NBC schedule. It was on right after thirty rock and then they fired the guy who loved it and it took it off schedule. That was that was the end of that one. Another one we did right around that same time was the show called boogie. Fever which I love and I just read the script again recently and basically it was like it was like American bands. It was like behind the scenes. That American bandstand. Nineteen seventy nine. And so like it was about it was Kinda Days Confused Type Ensemble piece with a whole bunch of teenagers. Who were always getting drunk and getting high. In the era where rock and roll was transitioning disco was dying and the eightieth music. Like new wave and wrap was beginning and it was. It was so it was really. It was pretty outrageous. Tv and they actually like at Fox and it was actually survived. The writers strike but then a lot of like six other things happened that were related to the strike. That eventually killed it so that was unfortunate as well and like I said everybody always says their show is going to go elsewhere and it never ever never like one like I would say maybe once in our whole career we have even heard of someone we knew that were that happened to because it always is dead and people every network has a thousand things development they developed and they wanted to. They don't want to buy some castoff project from some other place. Yeah absolutely I think. That's part of the industry. That are not a lot of people know about or talk about that are have experienced it but there is something very specific about the kind of optimism. That comes from striking out on a pitch or selling pitch. And then you know. Having the circumstances that you're describing happen like the people around your orbit tend to be those optimists that seem like really Gung Ho about no. Don't worry about it we're gonNA find a place for it and it's I. It's nice in the moment it's sort of like getting a call from your parents telling you that they're proud of you no matter what you're doing and you're like cool thanks And it definitely helps salve wounds in the moment but I think with the exception of people like Michaela who had her show the mindy project at cancelled and then picked up somewhere else in Brooklyn nine nine which is its own thing but I think that a lot of the reasoning behind that having a second life is because of public outcry when it's all development. You don't have public outcry like no bill. Oakley project needs to live on. It's so hard I think it's slightly more likely for an existing show where the cast is a lock to these contracts and it's presented with this whole package as opposed to here's a product developed by some executives at rival place. The you had nothing to do with you. WanNa pay to one hundred to two hundred thousand dollars to get the rights to it. No nobody ever does that and epic yesterday right the thing we do a whole podcast about what people say when the product is dead the night they say things they say to get you off the phone some people they just never call you back other people like a real supportive in like a friend of mine was like this guy told him like this isn't the end of the story it's just the end of the chapter and then he never heard from him again got to get people like yeah. It's dead the honest to God. Truth is it's it's ninety nine point nine nine percent dead and if there's some sort of miracle will get back to you but it's it's unfortunate because when you write products and you create them as you said earlier like you do have to pour your heart and soul into them and the ad it's not like I can't imagine what it'd be like to write a book. Spend five six eight years writing every day and then have every publisher rejected. I mean like there's hardly stories of of things books that were checked by Ninety Nine. Publishers picked up by number one hundred and became confederacy. If done right Oh my God. The story of confederacy of Dunces is so great for people that don't know it that The author the author died and his mother came in and brought this script and like the the publisher felt guilty and was kind of like. Yeah Yeah I'll read it. I'll check it out and then like kind of didn't for a while but there was like if I read one chapter then I'll feel better. I feel better about saying no but then actually was like really gripping and great even though it was difficult to read because of the type and it was covered in like Greece and coffee instead of our that. Yeah and yeah anyway. Sorry I just get so excited about that story. It is a heartening story because both all creative endeavors creative slash commercial endeavors that are also not creative endeavors where you're painting a painting just for your own satisfaction to hang on your wall but creative creative endeavor words going to have to be commercial and someone's going to have to pay money to make it or print it. There's there's there are those heartening story which die but the project itself lived on a classic. So yeah those stories are a blessing and a curse because they do inside optimism into people to that they keep the optimism alive just enough so that you endure it and I wanted to share really quickly the thing that I hear a lot in those kinds of developments situations. And maybe you've heard it to where it's like all right so they're saying no but they had very complimentary things to say about you. I'm like cool thanks. That's good I mean that. Is You gotta put something like that in there? That's like the the compliment sandwich criticism sandwich. I'm sure you've heard that right. That's okay yeah that's a good way to deal with people like you know who are. GonNa be upset by your criticism is to be like oh it was so good when our favorite things we just couldn't make it but we work with you in the future. That standard complement says the bread. And you've got your unfortunate bad news in the middle but that is a good way to deal with it and you gotta respect. Exactly what are they supposed to do? Some executives are total creeps but other ones are just regular people and this is just a many cases. It's a transition where they're going to be a real estate agent. They're going to be a TV executive than they're GONNA be. Investment banker just a person. They don't know what to do. They don't know how to say this. Like you got to respect people who do make an effort to at least give you a compliment criticism sandwich or whatever as opposed to just never call you back with fucking crazy. Yeah I'm so glad we're talking about this because I feel like a lot of people. Don't I mean you know people that are purely just fans of TV and movies in are watching it from you know wherever they watch these things and are maybe a little bit too Reading deadline articles and seeing like. Oh this just got Greenland bub-bubba like you don't know just how rare it is like. It's like winning the lottery. Five times in a row to get something on the air and then for it to get a second season et cetera. So I'm really glad that we're shedding light on it. It is and the other thing that this has got to be the critical part of this. Is You also have to do it while making a living? Yes you have a spouse who is a doctor or a high ranking executive or whatever or someone or parents who are going to give you a lot of money you also gotta make money doing this. And that's it makes Tripoli difficult. You know like an Josh said anything. That's one of the reasons we don't right to get that much anymore is because you've gotta split salary that's and that is something that I think. People are actually fighting towards is making it so that you could be on a team and and have higher salaries but who knows if that will ever happen. Maybe that'll be sussed out in this impending strike doesn't happen. Yeah well this is more about agencies packaging to work. I got two TV PILOTS. Quantico over but But you need to take a break. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa make the motormouth takes over your podcast. Why we brought you on. Yeah I did just want to share one Small story too about kind of how how refreshing it is for someone to just be honest with you and say like it's not GonNa Happen This isn't from an industry point of view but a little while ago I. My friend asked me to help. Run the door of an event That we thought was going to be had like forty people and I would just look at a list and then Politely left them into this. Art Gallery Instead it ended up being the art gallery was just a part of the thing and it was actually like a secret miley Cyrus concert and like they're all these really huge stars performing and like I would look at the list and who have like you know Lisa Loeb and like these bigger names but everyone there is somebody and at a certain point The fire marshal came and it was just like we can't let anybody else in and I was instructed to to only let a list or or really important people in But I don't know who anybody is aside from like the most famous person in the world like I would know Dave Grohl but I'm not going to know like the the press person who and everyone is yelling at me telling and I. It was a horrible night because I hate confrontation in that way and letting people down is a nightmare of mine but at a certain point. They're all these people saying we were. Just tell them to wait and I said like well. They're not going to get in and we just tell them to go. They're wasting their Saturday night waiting outside for something that's never going to happen. It's like well no just you know you don't WanNa bump people out and I just started telling people like quietly. Just like you're not GonNa be let it and you should just find something gift. Yeah well I also at sneak people in when the people weren't looking. But wow that's incredible. Yeah well I. I think it's really screwed up whether it's for a job or dating or anything to give people false hope because as you said like that optimism that kind of Can fuel you in a positive way can also really suck your if it becomes a little delusional. Like then it really screws you over like I didn't know when I had my first writing job that because true. Tv ended and they were talking to HBO. Max and talking and Affleck's like it was being presented as it is definitely going to find a new home and so then when I when a different job opportunity came along for me I turned it down. Turn down even the possibility of it happening because I was kind of just assuming like well it'd be mean if I left this other thing that I really like so I'm GonNa stay loyal. I guess and now I know like oh any job opportunity. He take immediately. Yeah you cross a bridge when you reach Yeah but not exactly a career story but something that I found interesting just kind of like just tell people the truth. I would say that out of the literally hundreds of rejections. We've gotten in our careers. I can remember three. Were the person had the guts to tell us why face to face at the time I was like you guys where you're crazy but then I remember them each time I was like that guy had guts and I appreciate him telling us why he didn't like it or why it was and I remember this because one of the movies we pitch was basically kind of back to the future style movie and And the guy said. I'm not going to buy this and I'll tell you why and we were like right in your head. You're like fuck you but the guy was like because you know why Michael J. Fox was the star of the future. There's nobody like that now and we were like Freaky Moon. Is that liars. Would you put one hundred million dollars into a movie starring Frankie Muniz and we were like like I guess select? Okay well thank you I. I literally remember the three or four ones like that over time. Have the guts to tell us it face to face but the thing is the person you're going to be mad and it takes a lot of guts to face the one who is likely to be mad like dumping someone face to face much easier to send a text or Graham. I suppose. Yeah Yeah Yeah I had my. I've had my fair share of having to reject people When working mad because you get a lot of pitches a some of the editors would kind of just ignore and kind of hope. They'd get the Hinton that's totally I think one way to do it I personally would because I also try to pitch places I would be desperate for feedback and I would just say like we can't. We can't do something like this because we already have something kind of similar in our issue Or maybe you didn't know but we've already done something like this in nineteen eighty eight anti-aids to be different enough and you know but now that is dead. So who cares? I Care Fan behind the season details. A man I'll give you just two other things that we did that that are among favorites that We're not covered Josh's podcast. Was this show. An animated show for Nickelodeon called worst ever and I think he talked. Basically was kind of a rework of those of those of you already heard the Josh episode of this. Podcast know about our protocol ruling class which is based on our own high school class. This was kind of an animated version of that but was with every all the craziness way up and it was about an elementary school class filled Weirdos like addams family esque Class with thirty different types of Weirdos in the class and there were the to the stars were kind of like a little crazy guy and a big big fat oath and they were played at the little crazy guy was played by David. Cross that off was played. Patent Oswald is is such a great show and like the thing is and it was also designed by Laurie. Mullin OUR FRIEND. Who's the Animation Academy Award nominee and creator of the Visual Celebration Hill? And it was so good but the thing is ultimately it just like it was clear that it was not right for Nickelodeon. It was probably right for kids who are seventeen and not right for kids who are eat. And that was that eventually got up to the level. It got all the way up to beginning collected white. And they're finally some executive New York was like we gotta give these guys reality check. This thing's not right for Nickelodeon and he was the whoever made. That decision was right. Obviously so that wasn't so painful but it was annoying because it was such a good project. And where else can you take it products like that? Maybe the cartoon network but they didn't respond because it was someone else's project right gathers like an unspoken truth to think finally I shall conclude this television for a with what Joshua unquestionably consider our greatest script of all time Which is Great Society? Did he mention this at all? So you guys now. Oh my God this thing. This was with Tom. Hanks and I know he mentioned briefly. The Tom Hanks was in like Tom. Hanks I think had some read the documents and he attended. He walked into one meeting. Got His head coach and left guys and that was it but it wasn't like we were working with him every day. It was with his company and his company was probably known for doing a lot of classic things like band of brothers and it usually comes from something historical bent. That has kind of a real classy by. I'm familiar with the play town galaxy. Yeah let's just play thome and this was for. Hbo And it was God. Damn I love this show so much it was before madman and it was kind of like a comedy man that took place in. La In nineteen sixty six at the Rand Corporation. And let me just give you a little detail about this because you know the fact that people don't know what I'm talking about when I say this one of the reasons they probably didn't make the Rand Corporation is a government sponsored think-tank innocent Santa Monica always in Santa Monica. It's right near the beach in Houston innocent of beautiful building now and this was a place where they planned nuclear wars and they planned the Vietnam War and they did the hundreds and hundreds of studies about things that we can only dream about many of them which were top secret. Never be seen again for instance. There's rumor that they did a study for president. Nixon about cancelling reaching seventy two presidential election They also did that make. That's probably not true strategic planning the Vietnam War and they did a lot of planning of nuclear of what we're three would look like and yet they were there right on the beaches. Monica and era. Where like it was like SURF CITY USA? And it's like there was kind of like the people were smoking pot and they were kind of the dog tab six years before the counting started so it was kind of like it was basically the totally. It was like Dr Strangelove and this half hour show but I think it was more like a it was kind of like this was in the Larry Sanders at Hbo when they were doing stuff like that Mrs period piece and it concentrated on five of the guys who worked at rand one of which is kind of Matthew Broderick Guy who is our everyman another guy who was kind of like go Walter Matthau character in that nuclear war movie which name escapes fail-safe who was who was the guy who was planning World War. Three there's George Clinton Guy who ran the place. There was a guy who was Kinda like a away. Mitch macy who was kind of like the Vietnam Dude who was Kinda like the The schmuck and the and it was an it was so it was really funny like it was one of the things that we wrote without any regard to the audience like there. Were lots of jokes that you'd have to be really well read in nineteen sixties. But it was also the. I'll tell you the basics of the plot was in the pilot our hero or Matthew Broderick is assigned this task of picking five people who could get to go to the bunker when the nuclear war starts to best represent American culture and Society. And it's a massive undertaking. Because he was going to be as it can be miles. Davis is GONNA Bob Dylan. Is it going to be you? Know when he goes through all the great luminaries of the time and finally he's so fucked over by every one of them that he just gives it to the castle beverly hillbillies at the end of the thing is that is. The guy should beating the envelopes and the plans. Like how accurate tastes people your war to the cast of the Beverly Hillbillies I love asset so anyway so that project. Hbo was just like we love this thing. But we don't make shows like this are agent was like begging them. We were like please make this thing and it and it just died because they were like. No people aren't going to watch this we. This is back right in sex in the city of taking off and and they were like everybody wants went on sex one a lot of violence. We want you to this and we're this show was really you know it was Dr Strangelove but Har- harder to get a lot of money so anyway that project if if I could push a button and bring back any product from the past it would be that one because to do and it was so fun to write and I think it was jeter was very well regarded by everyone who read it. But it's just like it's annoying when it's the answer is the audience is too dumb to get this and it's true. Most people don't know who Hubert Humphrey was. Most people don't understand you know these jokes about About Ed Sullivan. And things like that. Because they weren't even born. Then you know that's been our attornal. We've gone down that road a number of times. Josh of assuming that everybody has the same interests that we do. And then we have been brutally brought back to reality multiple. They would also say like the references that you make that are of a different generation than the current generation. I mean we talk so much about how the simpsons would like re contextualised these jokes for us in a way that we still felt we were able to enjoy them and not maybe fully get the DNA of the reference. But like you guys always had a touch that packaged it in a way that felt very accessible. And I'm sure the same is the case for the script. Let me say people didn't mind it when madman did it and you know it's not like this. I grew up watching Ed Sullivan. Yeah one year old when this happened in the show an. I've read about it because I am interested in American culture and history and like I said Madman our show was Kinda funny version of amendment in this one place that did read read. The script actually said it was like you know L. A.'s Madman but funny and again people were willing to accept it as a drama. But they weren't willing to accept that the comedy and I think that's an unfortunate thing that happens too is that people have a certain for comedies. You it has to have. A certain people are interested in doing comedies. With extremely narrow appeal or at least at the narrow appeal is is not like young. Men generally freight's a too bad. That sounds great. Thank you you reuse. Anytime cares about that either too. It's like would you like to read. I don't really WanNa read a script. It might be thirty. Three forty pages law. Let's take a really quick final break and then we'll close out. Hey if you like your podcast to be focused and well researched and your podcast host to be uncharismatic on horny strangers. Who HAVE NO INTEREST IN HORSES? This is not the podcast for you. Yen what's your deal. I'm emily I'm Lisa. Our show is called baby geniuses and it's hosts are Horny adult idiots. We discover weird wikipedia pages every episode. We discussed institutional misogyny we ask each other. The dumbest questions and our listeners won't stop sending US pictures of their butts. We haven't asked them to stop but they also aren't stopping. Join US on baby geniuses every other week a maximum fun dot Org Mbacke. What a great break got actually was a great break. Poor listeners will never get to know what we talked about. and less. Maybe we decide to make that are bonus content anyway Julia I think that you had a question that you had for bill. Yeah I WANNA know about your vinyl toy company Bell. What's up at that? Thank you I will. This is interesting because as you said or as I said rather including myself I'd like to have five different going at any one time and also I feel like I wanted to buy out of the realm of television because I'm extremely nervous about the future of television. Yes like I can't. I just can't imagine that we're going to continue to live in a universe where there's nine hundred new scripted shows coming on and all these. I mean obviously Disney's not going to go out of business but like Netflix is operating on like five billion dollars worth of debt. And eventually someone's going to say. Hey wait a minute. This thing ever going to recoup its cost. It's never and like several other places are doing that and also. Is it really worth a million dollars an episode to make a TV show? That has five thousand viewers like at some point. I A good instrument video for me has twenty thousand dollars and it costs nothing you know and and other guys on Youtube. You don't have to look at Youtube very far to see. There's millions of views on most of those things and like I just can't imagine that people are going to continue to spend this kind of money on scripted television much longer. So in answer to your question. I'm diversify my my creative projects. One of which is my instagram which pays zero other other vinyl toy company which also pays zero and in fact cost me a fortune hobby and this is this. I have to say I really get charged with like it's called sight gags and if you follow side. Gig ON TWITTER. I haven't updated quite a while because we're right now. I have to save up the money to do these things because there are in their expensive is crap like the vinyl toys. You guys are familiar with the whole world of vinyl toys right Shin and the I guess the fun co POPs to and then there's also the kind of the heart the high more art rendent which is like that that storm Saute robot and those ones that there's a number of companies that do these art Wednesday over the cost. The cost expensive. So I wanted to do these character. I basically wanted to get into this because I I like those mental toys and I prefer ones honestly that are that are more like that are not so crazy like I don't like that because I don't like the way that they look. I don't like the reform America characters to like. They're supposed to look me to snuggle. Put I want to get one from the sixties because I WANNA snuggle post? It looks like the we supposed to look for Yogi bear bizarre because the original funk owes were so great and like had a character flair to them that I found very appealing. And then there's a whole documentary about this which I think is on Hulu Yard. So it's like the beginning you see the you know the beginnings of this company and I'm like right in the driver's seat with them be like yeah. Let's do it. And then like somebody had the phone. Co. Pop idea and I mean whatever their recouping like a million bill jillion dollars from it. But it's just not my personal taste. Same I I'm so with you but the thing is so cheap right. That's the thing that it's like when I get into this business and I've only been into it and I have a guy who helps. He was a total genius in this any deals with the companies in Japan. For me and Like this stuff is expensive. And the fact that they can make those funky pops and sell them for ten bucks a pieces of mazing alike. Because like you have to make the only way to make something cheap is to make a ton of them is fifty thousand of them. Or whatever when you're making a small number that's mine are so expensive and they have not come out yet because I have not. I just kind of tease them as we move from step to step and basically. I'll tell you this. This is a scoop for you guys. The first series is going to be fake advertising characters. The nine hundred and they're they're funny. They're funny failed. Lucky charms rapid lucky charms guy the tricks rabbit things like that but they're the ones that were bad or hated for whatever reason right and so it's it's fun and I really like the aesthetic of it and we've got. I've got a team of designers working on them. And the thing is though the first one the prototype came back from Japan is so good. But they're gonNA cost one hundred bucks a piece because we're only making a couple of hundred and just making the moles is ten thousand bucks so literally if I sell these things one hundred bucks a piece. I'm not making sent a prophet and I might even eating shipping costs myself so because these are not the kind of things that people are going to buy this is GonNa be the kind of thing that a guy who works at a young man who works at Advertising Agency Bison puts on a shelf. It's not going to be at target. But anyway so it's extremely fun and getting to see the project give to see something made without having to go through layers of executives and it's it's fun and get into holding. Your hand is fun and right now. Basically I'm sitting up the money the reason that there's been a stall episode about the money the boxes because the boxes in this business are kind of thing to say something in a in a generic box. You can but like people often by two because they want to keep one in the box. That's me so yeah I recently was going through my Because my I inherited a lot of my dad's taste and so like for example. My mom has been clearing out our garage and she has a ton of toys of mine and I just saw that I have all the Like six Sigma Anisimov posters and HR stuff like the yellow submarine toys and of course one hundred Simpson's interactive home rice course. Oh excellent. Well that's cool boxes and then the ones that I actually played with our disaster. Yeah you're free to of mine as they come out at one hundred dollars spent two hundred dollars to buy two of them and I won't be making any profit but you know maybe down the road I will I will I will. While we're on the twitter thing. I WANNA throw my own little a cup down into the ring. Is that a phrase but Bill I recently inherited a full simpsons Christmas village. Do you even know that. They made these no and amazing. It's amazing and it's I literally just took it down so it lasted till February but I inherited it from a friend of a friend who was going through a divorce which I find to be the best way to inherit a simpsons Christmas village in a way that feels very appropriate. There was a mill house divided. And I I was the winner but yeah they're made by like the bona fide Christmas village place and they're like really really nice quality and porcelain. And they you know like even have for the crusty Burger. There's like a little drive through window and there's like a Simpson's car that comes as like a accessory for one of them and all of that I just wanted to. I wanted to show. I have toys to tastic. Would love to see a tweet. A photo I well. Maybe this is a dumb question but have you considered doing a crowdsourcing project for this because I feel like a lot of people would love to to kind roque source in what you P is going to be the way I sell them. Okay cool because I think it's like I I'm going to. If one hundred people will buy in advance one hundred of them that will give me ten thousand dollars to make the molds radio without making any profit so I'm going to sell them in advance on kickstarter or whatever Now in terms of like should I get. Could I get people to raise money in advance for people to help fund the beginning of the boxes? He maybe I might. I might do that. I'd rather just find that myself because I don't want to have to be it'd be hold. Nobody people we'll see on January ninth. You said Now working on the design for the boxes. Yeah well that's how I don't have it because he also just. I don't want to rip people off like I want the design fairly. I don't want to say. Hey we do this on SPEC. I wanted to get the box sets guide. That's awesome finally. Finally this for for you guys. We're talking about Mission Hill. Now anybody who follows my twitter would know that Josh and I have been hinting about this now since December something is happening with because that Josh and I I don't want to give too much information away and I want to get. Everyone's hopes up with this way. Josh and I have a concept for. It's not a reboot. It's basically a continuation of mission hill but with a slight a slight adjustment to the way the stories are told in a slight adjustment to the character composition And we now we've got it together. We have our pitch. We have everything. And we have Gotten Warner Brothers on board to produce it. We still have to find a place to broadcast it. Obviously or put or stream it and and funded. So that's GonNa be the that's going to be the big thing but exciting we have. This is very fun and I'm continue to tweet Josh texting and just yesterday. This is a huge piece of news for us is that we found. Lauren. We can get Lauren back. And she's obviously she's genius and a critical part of the right decision so she said she was in Just last night and citing so. I hope that we will find a place now. This require finding the right place you know has an no on the audience of mission hoping we will see if that happens. Hopefully that will be within the next month or two. Oh my God did and I'm sure you know everybody listening to this is such a fan and is so excited to just you know the premise of seeing more from this show and you know it reminds me of like how. Futurama got a second life in those kind of situations that can happen in Hollywood. That kind of defy parts of the conversation that we were talking that are more. You know like heartbreaking in pessimistic. I'm so excited at just the possibility of this coming back. It would be exciting and the thing that we haven't even begun. There's so many steps to this thing like. We obviously haven't spoken to any of the actors and so forth that were assembling the pieces of the puzzle one by one and we definitely have an interest in doing it and things. I think now the bishop until like you know in one thousand nine and two thousand two thousand. The Mission Hill Fan base was laughably small but now who now thinks declined to such a state that the Mission Hill Fan base would be one of the larger fan bases so like our twenty five thousand people who mission hill that'd be one of the highest rated shows on many of these streets an eighty shares circa the nineteen fifties. You know it's it's truly incredible. There is something that is very positive about the landscaping so cluttered and you know almost diluted in that way where the numbers have kind of flipped into being very impressive when they're particularly low. Yeah right well. Let's see let's see. Let's hope that this whole thing doesn't collapse before we get this mission off the ground people say episode for a show that five thousand people are watching. Yeah if Bernie could get as far as. He's gotten that we could do this. How well this has been such a treat way better than the episode with the Josh? Thank you so much for coming on. So people can follow sight gags People follow you on twitter. They could follow your instagram. Where you're posting the food reviews. Is there anything else that you want to plug no and in fact if you only follow one thing instagram festival reduce? That's the only thing you know. The numbers matter on instagram number. Right now slight gags doesn't matter and I'll be promoting that once I get boxes me. I will say one last thing about your instagram food reviews. I really like that. You reviewed the mini Tacos from Jack in the box and you brought a prop of a cereal bowl to see if it could be workable in a cereal bowl. I like that think ahead like that. You spoke to big like complete delicious but I wanted them to break. There were small. Yeah well that's a good note for Jack in the box to think about what they did. Well thank you so much coming on the show. This is a blast Julia Wick. You thanks so much for asking a match Leah Prescott and all the things alley. Where can people find you? Thank you so much for asking. You could find me at Allie girts and all the things and you could find us at Simpson's pod and rent springfield is a production of maximum fund. We are a member supported. Show so good. Maximum Fund Dot Org Slash. Donate to contribute. 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Summer Bummer: A Young Camper's $142,938 Snakebite
"Support for NPR and the following message. Come from gusto providing payroll benefits and HR services for small businesses. Gusto serves more than sixty thousand businesses nationwide with full service payroll HR, tools and health insurance at gusto dot com slash NPR from Capitol Hill to the campaign trail politicians of all stripes say they want to lower prescription drug prices. And it's an issue we see reflected in the medical bills. You send us for our Bill of the month segment. We're joined now by Dr Elizabeth Rosenthal. She's editor in chief of Kaiser health news. Welcome to the studio. Elizabeth thanks for having me. So introduce us to the family that sent in APRIL's Bill of the month. We'll this month were meeting the Yoder Perry family. They live in the college town of Bloomington, Indiana, where both parents work for Indiana University, and they encountered a super high drug price for drug that literally saved the life of their ten year old daughter now Jake Harper with member station W F, Y I in Indianapolis, actually, visited them. He's going to pick up. The story from here. Something's making noise on the trail near Oakley Yoder's house. Probably either snake or frog. Hope it's a fraud. Hopefully, it's not fake Oakley loves being outside. But snakes are not her favorite animal. She was away last summer on a climbing trip in southern Illinois into dusk. Her group headed back to camp. I felt something like grab onto my foot. So I think it went into the side of the tone. That's where the dent, right? Here's and I thought it was just the ones or glass or something like that. But the pain started to move up her leg. It was a snake bite. Probably a Copperhead. She told the counselors and to keep the venom from spreading. They put a turn it around her ankle one of them gave her a pity back right out of the woods, and I felt his sweat. I could feel health worried. He was I thought it was going to get paralyzed or die or get my foot cut off. I had so many things in my mind that kind of happened while they waited for help the counselors got Oakley to relax with gushers, candy and Taylor swift gym. Remember what song? You belong with me. How's it? Go were high heels. I wear sneakers your cheer, captain, I'm on the bleachers. Call me down. Yeah. We listened to it like at least twenty times Oakley eventually gotten a helicopter was taken to Saint Vincent hospital in southern Indiana. She got four vials of anti-venom before they sent her north to a children's hospital in Indianapolis. It was around five or five thirty in the morning when the ambulance from Saint Vincent arrived Oakley's parents Josh period. Shelly Yoder met her at the second hospital. Showy says Oakley's leg was swollen in dark. It was pretty far up her leg. Let alone Hertel. I mean, I was I was pretty worried about where this was going. But the specialist said the anti-venom was working Oakley was out of the hospital in a day. She couldn't play outside for a while which was frustrating. And she says her foot is still kind of numb from the bite, but she could walk and run in about a month. And she even got some presence out of the whole thing. That period was a little more stressful for her parents they both teach at Indiana University. And. Periodically researches healthcare ethics. They knew enough to worry about the bills. I was holding my breath walking to the mailbox to see. What's the next step in the sobbing Saint Vincent gave Oakley four vials of anti-venom called crow? Fab the list price thirty two hundred dollars per vial and the hospital charged way more more than five times that amount after all the bills came Perry. Added them up the charges for tweeting. Okay. Snake bite totaled one hundred forty three thousand dollars. It just seems unconscionable that you would inflate prices by such an extraordinary amount. It took my breath away. That's Josh Perry. Telling his daughter story to reporter Jake Harper in Bloomington, Indiana, Elizabeth Rosenthal is here to talk more. And how did this Bill grow to over one hundred and forty thousand dollars well, a big chunk of that about fifty five thousand dollars? Well, it's the area ambulance, which this little girl clearly needed. I mean, this is a big -mergency. And we've. Talked about high air ambulance prices before I'm Bill with month, but the other big chunk, which we want to talk about today is for those four tiny vials of anti-venom that she got that was more than sixty thousand dollars at self. Why why are those four vials so expensive? What wouldn't you kid gets? A poisonous snake by Phil die without rapid treatment. So you're vulnerable to financial extortion. Look, even with the anti-venom she ended up with signs of early gangrene in our leg, but sixty thousand dollars there's two reasons why get so high the first is the drug maker in this case had a monopoly on the product only one company had the licensed to sell this anti-venom when Oakley got bitten and the US doesn't regulate drug prices. It's not a particularly high tech drug, but in our country, the wholesale price was thirty two hundred dollars per vial at the time the same or similar drug in Mexico as one hundred or two hundred dollars. The second thing is there's a big hospital market like boos at a restaurant. The hospital has a captive audience here and can Mark up with abandoned. And in this case. They did five times the wholesale cost that ended up being a hundred and forty three thousand dollars that the Oakley family was charged. How much of that? Did they pay me in their extremely lucky? They didn't pay anything you could call it a miracle. They had zero dollars out of pocket the camp came in to pay what their insurance didn't. But I would add the bigger problem is when your insurer and your company jumps in to save you from these extortionate bills. Well, the next year the prices for premiums in your company are likely to go up. Is there any movement to bring down prices for this particular anti-venom, especially for people who don't have insurance miracles? Yeah. These guys were lucky. There is a second company that now makes anti-venom in the US. The problem is only two drugs doesn't make competition in studies we've seen that you need really four or five competitors in a market to really bring down prices. Is there any way that politicians could level the playing field anything the Trump administration could do or or lawmakers? Well, this kind of cases exactly why other countries do regulate drug prices. We don't seem to be going in that direction. So I'm looking for the next year to see what Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump can come up with Elizabeth Rosenthal's editor in chief of Kaiser health news. And if you have a medical Bill you want us to investigate head on over to NPR's shots blog.
Husani Oakley, Chief Technology Officer of Deutsche
"Hey thanks for listening. Before we begin the episode. I WanNa tell you all. We have an affiliate partner bus route. One of the first things we did when we started this podcast was sign up with buzz sprout. It makes getting your podcast. Easy Bus Brown gets your podcast on every major platform like podcast spotify. Google podcast stitcher all the rest and they also videos and tips on improving and promoting your podcast. So if you're thinking shoot he can do a podcast I can too. You're right. Go follow link on the show notes this episode or on our website and if you sign up with buzzed proud through that link you get a twenty dollar Amazon Gift Card to check out buzz brow. If you're starting a podcast and you want the world to hear voice buzzed. Drought will make that happen. Everyone this is Rudy Fernandez some creative outhouse this episode with Hassani Oakley Really answered some nagging questions in my mind about how to structure teams. You know there are skill sets from the past. They're still valuable in trying to solve client problems but also a lot of times. They're not enough. Who Sanni has created teams for the twenty first century by going outside of our industry to create something that feels absolutely right for our modern world. I learned a lot from talking to him. And I think you'll to it out. Welcome to marketing up. People listening to marketing. Welcome to marketing people. My guest is Su Sanni Oakley the newly minted chief technology officer to New York who sunniest founded startups then director of technology at Wieden Kennedy and others has been director of a dance studio into the White House to talk about. Lgbtq tech has a background in music and along the way is help brands like ESPN imbed. Siemens Delta and target create innovative technology. Just a regular guy so as you might expect a lot to cover so thank you for joining me Hassani. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to fat. And congratulations on the recent promotion by the way. Thanks very much thank you now. You've had a very career lots of different experience and I wanted to start with that. The you're recent role director of that was your title before this new one. That title sprung up a lot in recent years. And what does the Director of innovation do our job as a partner to our client is to help. Clients solve their business challenges. There are many ways to do that. You do that with storytelling right. You do that with technology whether that's envelope pushing technology or sort of table stakes standard technology. You do that with artificial intelligence you do that with core business strategy change do that with a bunch of different things but one of those business challenges really co- centers around. How do brands live as brands? In the new world that we live in if you remember back when the Internet and all things connected to it recalled new media. Now it's just media right. If when groups both brands and agencies had separate groups call it digital group and now it's just like the group there are changes that have happened over the past fifteen years that really lend us towards looking at solving business challenges in different ways so we see innovation as a rigorous process by which we come up with solutions for our partners that help them solve those new style. Business Challenges I say that rigorous process. I think that's a really important thing in terms of how we consider innovation. It's not you know three people with innovation in their title in a in a conference room like in front of a whiteboard smacking around ideas and then saying Oh look we've got the innovation thing going now right. There is a real data driven insights strategic process that forms that guard rails around where we are finding points to innovate to help solve these challenges and then concept around those innovation points. How big are your teams when you concepts we like to keep them small and tight and Nimble and they are certainly cross practice so on an invasion team. We'll have our amazing innovation lead. He runs the day to day of anything innovation. Creative a technologist a designer. It really depends on the specific land engagement and the area of business challenge were trying to innovate around. But we we intentionally keep those teams tight for speed purposes. It's better to have four people on thing then forty people on absolutely I saw talk of yours at crystallized it for me because you pointed out in this talk that the old model for ad agencies the people who did the concept Ding or more valued than the people who made the things so those people were at the table. The people the concept is. Let's say that idea people which I think in the past probably made says because you kind of understanding of how things were made technology that goes out the window. Because you don't really know what's out there can't be made and now bringing someone who understands the technology and who's also creative at the table is essential technology changes so quickly both from a consumer product perspective and a hands on engineering perspective. It's the role of technologists to keep up with those changes. Not The role of the folks coming up with the concepts to keep up with every single day in new artificial intelligence module was released right other. There's a new way to think about how to store a data in the cloud and it's great when you have the people whose job it is which means is how their brains work and how their personalities were to be hands on brains on in that technical change bring that to the table and working collaboratively with the people who are concept thing not factory model where concept is made written on a piece of paper that baton is passed to the nerd basement. We're all the technologists live. Who Don't understand why the concept is important to solve a client challenger why specific technology is appropriate for that specific creative concepts that solve the client challenge. When you're doing true. Collaboration you've got these subject matter experts in the room working together towards what? You're trying to do much better way structure teams. Yeah it sounds smart. Where does one find the technologist? Now you said you find talent everywhere and I think you've said to look in places other people don't where does one go to find a technologist everywhere? So you're right. I as a core philosophy. I believe that being technologist. And if we define that as a person who writes code? That code is no different than a copywriter. Writing a script or a sculptor making a sculptor or a painter painting it is an expression of an idea in a specific medium and medium to happens to be code and creators brains tend to work the same way regardless of the medium that they're creating in so. I'm a huge fan of finding technologists. Who also do another thing. And having another way they use their brain to create. I've hire technologists. Were amazing musicians or were amazing. Painters or sculptors are dancers. But they see technology as just another way to take. What's in their brain and make it into something that can be shared with another human being and happens to be code. I look at schools. I look at I look online. I find amazing people on twitter. There isn't twitter group where you need to be technologist to join the conversation But once you do when you identify people start shouting with them and technologists. I think sometimes we have a battery tation than not being able to interact with human beings in a of be polite affected way. That's not true technologist. Are we likely people because we make things for people so I found that when I when I find a really talented coders but throwing them as a human being who also understands what they do for the living is a really nice way to begin a conversation about you? Happy at your job. What do you do you think your fulfiled? How far away are your hands from the end product and if you get a little closer? Komo working his team will make them up together. I love the the coding as a medium. 'cause I was talking to a friend of mine who is Director Art Museum and I asked him. Do you think that if Mooney were born today that he picked up a paintbrush in canvas and he said absolutely not yet? You know what's great about the early days of the consumer web flash and flash being the core medium that a lot of technologists? Kinda got their start in. There was a huge group of people who consider themselves artists or designers or something. Other than being a coder and they got their start with flash because you know it was a visual medium. You were doing timeline. Animation you were pointing and clicking you. Were you were translating? What's in your head into something interactive and in a very visual way. Not In a code writing way but it was a great way for people who wouldn't ever call themselves technologist to begin to create and a lot of those people once slash got a whole lot more technical and there was code writing involved precipitately action script to action script three. They realize oh wait a second. There's a whole nother way for me to create my art and my goal is to create the art. My goal isn't necessarily to learn the code for Code Sake and then they eventually became technologists. So what are some? Are The cooler examples? You think of these these teams of creatives and strategists and technologists. Working together that we've worked on so I think a really great example of how you can structure a team run it through a rigorous innovation process and come out with something that actually solves the business challenge you. I set out to solve is worth that. We recently did for Indian Beth so Avian Bev. World Guard is brewer amazing brand over a quarter million employees across the globe multiple languages multiple cultures multiple roles. It's a huge math organization and they wanted a way to have every single employee across the world no matter what their role is live beer and love beer. They're the world's largest brewer right and that's sort of business challenge that you can solve in ten different ways right now. You can set up mandatory classes for everyone. Those can be in person. Those could be via video chat. You could send out a bunch of really well-designed. Pdf that give top ten things. You should know about beer. Rather the million ways to kind of think about how to get a core knowledge out to all these sort of different bits of people so we put this challenge through our innovation process and after quite a bit of research quite a bit of speaking to various types of employees that it'd be in beverly realized even while at work everyone's on their smartphone. Even if you're not supposed to be right even if you work in the brewery not in an office at some point you're glancing at your phone. And that is that insight. What drove us to a technology specific solve and that. Saul was a mobile APP. Called hoppy and the phrase we like to use internally kinda describe it in shorthand is corporate education for the smartphone generation so hoppy is an ecosystem. It's not just an large thing. The quick summary is there is an APP where there are bite sized pieces of content that are engaging because they've been specifically written for the form factor and instead of you know linking to a wikipedia entry essentially we wrote that content the form factor to fit this piece of glass that you have in your hand that glance at Multiple Times a day. So you don't need thirty. Paragraphs need three paragraphs right we took cues from other technology driven learning systems and essentially made. But I call like modern FLASH CARDS. So there are quizzes their residual at the end of each of the sections of content. And you can take the quizzes over and over and over again as you use this APP where where I was he tracking everything that you're doing for a number of reasons but one of those big reasons is is the gamification layer so as you continue reading content and answer quizzes. You're getting badges. You're earning a cryptocurrency called beer coins leading into the very. Interestingly competitive culture that is a core part of WHO Avian Beth is. We put leaderboards across various offices and breweries sounds people. Could you know run quiz against each other and find out who in their apartment knew more about beer as you use the APP more? That's the sort of concept that we only got two because of a cross functional team a core group of people and running it through a very specific innovation process that led us towards a result and then gives them something that's inherent to the brand gives them something closer tied to their company because they start to learn more thing that they sell more confident because they are learning more about it the next time. They're in a bar with their friends. You can say hey you know what I let visor. And here's why interesting learned right. Yeah Yeah it makes everybody evangelist for the brand that they already should be an evangelist for. Yeah that's great that moment where you stand in the bar and you know something that your friends necessarily know. We thought that was a really interesting moment. This concept of bridging online and offline so as part of earning beer coin. We had a full ecommerce system where you could spend that beer. Coin to get swag. That was branded around this entire movement to live beer so if you had a certain amount of beer coin you can buy a really cool t-shirt. That has a great logo on it. That says we're here for the beer and you know it's like getting a varsity jacket back in high school because you're on the football team or in my case the marching band. You want to be proud of that moment. And people really just went in the amount of bureaucracy earned super high but people emptied beer coin accounts. Earning this why he was really a fight to the. That is pretty cool. I probably won't be working as a great internal device but I could also see that working externally as well absolutely and you know one of the things that we thought a lot about what exactly that from a technical architecture perspective. How can we structure this so it is scalable to that so you know depending on its success will be ran it as a as a pilot and that in expand globally in early on and we saw this was getting such traction realize okay great? We thought about the possibility of that and build out the infrastructure to be able to support that. So that if that decision is made we don't need to spend X. amount of monks X. amount of dollars X. amount of reworking of the entire system. No he can switch a couple of things and you know he's still have to think about the interaction going from employees to math consumer but the technical underpinnings were already there just in case this whole idea of having technologists in the room is just wonderful because I probably in that situation somebody or another said something about a beer contest. Or what have you and you had to. The technology had to continually check in and say. We can't do that but we can do. This in. That could see all that happening to make sure that what you recommend is is viable exactly another great example of that in this came from one of the technologies on the team in this moment of figuring ways to bridge online and offline. We came up with the concept of beer code and it's like a Qr code but it looks cooler than a Qr Code. It's more like spotify. Code or snap code and managers can log into an admin system and make their own internal events and print out a beer code and any employee who comes to the can scan that beer code and earn beer coin for showing up to an event. So you wouldn't do that for like a mandatory Monday morning meeting right but you can do that for any other sort of interesting extracurricular event that again drives the purpose of the APP to drive culture around loving beer and living beer. That idea it came up because of a technologist having an insight into where cameras scanning tech is now and being familiar with a great company. Who's responsible for most of the snap codes and spotify codes that exists in the world and we were able to contact us part of their tech to build in into this APP and he goes system. That never would have happened if tech person. We're in the room each week. A lot about diversity in creating diverse teams and in those conversations. You've mentioned that there are pockets of society that act as birthplaces of culture. What do you mean by that? So within the past couple of weeks there's been an interesting news story that that come up about a dance that a that is huge on tick tock right now and turns out. There was a fourteen year old black girl in Atlanta who originally created the dance but nobody knew it except for small groups who are familiar with the areas of the Internet. That are sub. Tick Tock Right. It gets think of how we all tend to think that cultural moments or cultural means bubble up from the ether. That is the Internet. You know down at the very bottom. You've got sort of a question mark but then you Kinda got the red of the world and the tick tops of the world and eventually kind of goes up to instagram and twitter. By the time it lives in twitter for awhile. Brands Begin to notice. It Asians begin to notice it on behalf of brands. And then it kind of gets supercharged and into mass consciousness. There are places that exist that are very under the radar and this very specific example of renegade dance and the fourteen year old girl from Atlanta. Came up with with that dance. She did it on an APP. Called dubbed Smash Smash is. I would put that under tick tock on that line of how cultural bubbles off from this cauldron that is that is cultural creation on the Internet. And and you know who's on WHO's on smash young young black kids. Aren't they know it? You find a thirteen year old black kid from anywhere in this country you say dump smash and they'll say yeah. Here's my account. I just made these twenty seven different dances. It isn't entirely community in and of itself when thinking about diversity in general I ask you know. Does the average non diverse agency team. What does smashes no of course not so maybe if we begin to create teams that were reflective of society that we all live in and reflective of the consumers that we at Asians and our clients brands one to communicate with and interact with and engage. Those who have sort of look like each other. How do you know you built the right team? That's diverse enough other cultural and other types of diversity. How do you know that that is that enough to keep your finger on the pulse of what's happening? When I use the word diversity I I have to separate meetings if meaning one is actual diversity of all kinds right. And that is diversity of thought. Diversity of experience even mean diversity of practice that we're talking about technologists and creative strategist all being together that that is a very real meaning to the word diversity but I also mean Race Gender. And they'll do an age disability status and economic class and background and area of country those topics that even in an era where we know these topics are are meaningful to our businesses. Make US uncomfortable to say out loud. We have to say that allows you can have the conversation and answer your question which is a valid one. How do we know when we put together a team? At what point can we? Say? That's it. This is the solve. Certainly when one of the reasons to build out a diverse team is to have those rains come in different places with different experiences and being familiar with different things. Like for example. Duff's match I think having different people in the room is enough as a first pass to get to the actual where is culture being made and getting in there and finding things I think? You've gotTa Be Very Quantum Kuala about it what research our strategy teams doing. When researching media teams doing research creatives doing? We've got to be proactive in our diverse teams. Looking for those things finding those things and then listening to the culture that come out of those things. I could use some tutorial on all things out there to be honest. Yeah honestly you and me both if great and that's what's fun about it right because it changes all the time easterly platforms. Have their own. Really unique cultures and unique cultures have unique norms. Someone recently had referred to Our consumption of media as our media tunnel we are fed We've looked at before but unless you have a diverse group that lives in a different media. Tunnel you're not gonNa know what else going on in the world. Yeah and the the algorithm having exactly set up for success in getting out of our media tunnels around the bubbles. I write those. GonNa Talk to you about you said that. It's the latest toy but I take it. You mean that people think that it's a tool and a complete solution. How do you think people misusing her not understanding AI? Strengths and weaknesses? I think non technologists don't fully understand what artificial intelligence is and that drives most of its of expenses is just math right. It gets complicated math to be to be fair but it really is. It's not a live. It's not magic. It's not a magic box that you ask a question and imagine he knows the answer. Right machine only works because there have been algorithms created by Super Smart Mathematicians that analyzed for patterns in data and a is is amazing because analyzed data for those patterns at a scale and speed that is physically impossible for the brain to do but to get the machine learning algorithm to that point. You have to train it. With data at the core of how an algorithm works is the structure of the training data. That was fed it when he was being created. Data is a representation of things as they are not necessarily as as they should be so we have a data set. That is biased. And by that I mean not necessarily reflective of reality but reflective of a certain period of time or certain situation when you train and Algorithm on that data. The output of our also be biased. What are some common ways? You think that misconception manifest itself. Let's say there's there's an algorithm that can look at how a uses an e commerce website. That person then buys something that ECOMMERCE platform you've trained it with data from four hundred thousand other users who have bought things. Were bitten by things but when you haven't paid attention to the other bits of information that made that initial training data set valid. Like well is it mobile. Is it desktop? Is there another reason? Why two hundred thousand people didn't buy. Was there an issue with price? Was there an issue with shipping? There could be other reason why a person doesn't convert other along with the data suggests that that has no way to ever know thus the algorithm has no way to ever know when we replace human brains you do understand context and have capability to independently. Go find that context and place the citizens contextual framework when we replace those brains with Algorithms. We put ourselves in very sticky situations. They pointed out the beginning of this episode. You've done a lot of different things I mean you've tried startups and you're in theater and art and technology. There's so many things you've tried in some of your talks and writings you've talked about embracing failure which I love As as someone who loves pep talks please talk to me and everybody anybody who's listening about taking risks and embracing failure. What that means to you. I mess up early and often but I don't worry about those seventeen and a half mistakes that I've made that day tried to have that core philosophy in my head every day of my career and mainly because being wrong is just as instructive and oftentimes more instructive than being right. Because either way it illuminates a path forward. It eliminates where you should go where you shouldn't go in idea is meaningless if it stays in your head and the only way to get out of your head is to try something is to make something is to put your ego on the line and right but thing build the thing pain to thing cook thing and put it in front of another human being and then say hey. What do you think may great? And and if you and are able to recognize the pattern of how you've got to that right answer and apply that moving forward and if the answer was nay you can do the same you say. Oh okay. I shouldn't think things that way. I should add a little more solve the next time. Okay got it. The more information the more feedback about how your meeting things in the world. All the feedback matters so failure is just a different type of feedback even when per earlier part of this conversation even when decisions are made empowered by algorithms that are empowered by data and context. Sometimes it's still a crap shoot but it's a crapshoot worth playing because you don't know the end result until you try it. I know that's hard. That's putting yourself out on the line like that all day everyday is really challenging. And it's and it's exhausting but I simply don't know how else anybody has ever created anything. Yeah a well as someone who crates and make stuff for living. It's been a career of you know about ninety nine out of one hundred things you do get they die and the one thing it's changed and you don't know those ninety nine are going to be until told the ninety nine exists have to keep putting it out and putting it out and putting it out when we're talking about artistic war we're talking about. I mean for decisions and we're talking about creative work and brand work you have to get hands paper or your medium of choice in and get ideas out of your head and out the door but you also have to keep in mind. Does this failure hurt me? Does this failure hurt me and multiple people. And what's the level of that hurt because at a certain point? So you're clear a certain point you wanna Kinda back and say wait a second. Let me actually rethink making this thing. But not all the time is rare in fact that the risk that you take going to be the worst thing to ever happen who is going to cause lasting damage to a thing mostly. We're talking about the things you make for a living and we can't make those things for a living without being willing to are eager to deal with with a pencil. Failure of US putting work in the world. Is there point where you know that? It's just a setback or time to bail. I think you know what did you think when you're laying in bed at night and two o'clock in the morning here staring feeling you might not ever say it out loud and your gut no and I think the trick these. I think because I haven't quite figured this out myself win. Is it your gut speaking or is it your fear speaking? And you know the difference. It's hard sometimes with the difference for Yourself. That love that is speaking. Or is it your fear speaking at the forefront of change in our business which ones do you think will have the biggest impact coming up here in the next year or two? I love the fact that what we've talked about in this conversation about being cross-disciplinary diverse people working together to solve a problem. You know I've I've been shouting. This is the rooftops for years and years and years and years and years but as as people from outside the industry came in people who were in start up environments and then came over its advertising or people who were out of technology schools art schools and I would give them my whole spiel on the break down silos. They look at me and they'd say what are you talking about? That's a thing. How do you people even get any work done? That made me feel so good. It made me realize okay. We've got this amazing fresh talent. Fresh blood fresh brains coming into this industry and they are going to continue to look at us. The people have been around for a while and say why. Are you doing it like that? Do it like this. And if we're smart we will continue to listen and I am so thrilled at as to what that that means for us as an industry for our clients and for consumers people get the message out in the world. The Clayton to me. The strength of your message is not. You should have diverse groups because it's the right thing to do or even it's the smart thing to do. I think the message is if you don't. You're not going to succeed. You're not going to exist in a few years. That's right did the right thing to do. And but it it beyond a Karma level business. And if you don't eat your finished this is twenty twenty. We know we've known the ferber longtime and eventually if you haven't gotten this deep down in your DNA like everything else should be you. You can't effective. What are the changes you see happening that excite you the most and which ones concern you the most concern and this also may sound strange a technologist? I built this work in this industry because I love storytelling. I remember being a kid and I can tell you the three TV spots that aired between eighty five and ninety two. That made me think. Oh wait a second. I want to at least be in the environment where that work as me. But that's amazing to me and it's GonNa be there so I've always kept strong brand strong creative solid storytelling at the core of what I personally do and care about on the other. Hand data driven dynamic creative performance. Marketing data numbers driven. Work is critical. I am scared when I have conversations with other people and other various places in this industry who think that it has to be one or the other. The power is telling strong stories with a foot in Brillian creative and a foot in data driven insights performance. Marketing combining those two is. What excites me? Separating those two is what frightens me but the more people separated the more. I think there's an opportunity for the shop. Not that we're doing right. Yeah any patterns. You see happening that that you think you hoping excite you future. It excites me when when fresh blood comes in a lot of that fresh blood is not coming in a lot of the fresh love going to other places because they look at our industry and they think for life fit in there. Do I belong there. Yes you will fit in yes you do fit in and you can have an impact directly on work sooner in your career. Then perhaps you can a large platform certainly as a creative as a developer. You can you can get your hands dirty. On real worked. Real human beings will see really quickly and it makes me really happy when I see and convince people from the outside to come on in the water's fine. I find it so enjoyable on exciting. Yeah that's that is pretty cool and thought about that. Thank you so much. This has been such a pleasure. Thanks for listening. You can follow Hassani on twitter at Hassani Oakley that ATM Sahni Oakland. If you want show notes or previous episodes is a creative outhouse dot com slash podcast? I tell you what hit the contact us button and tell us what you think of this show special. Thanks to the one and only Susan Cooper for producing the show or thank Gopal Swami for creating our ear Konin Jason Shabat for his audio advice. Well that's it for this episode of marketing people and Remember if the current state of marketing got you confused. Don't worry it'll change.
EPISODE #312 "Reach For The Sky!"
"It's time once again for America's favorite show the radio adventures of duck. Serb loyd brought to you by Tech Floyd Dot Com this week starring Frank Konig as Buffalo. Bill Cody and curious. Soltan has any as remember in our last episode. That was rich Dr Steven. It's just in time and space jump to Elgin Illinois in the year. Eighteen ninety six to no good near two wells had hoodwinked legendary sharpshooter. Annie Oakley into letting them Polish her world famous pistol which they plan to steal and sell on Ebay in the future. Now you too sure. You've handled firearms at four hour. Yes sure plenty of you can Polish. This pistol as good as me. Anything you can do I can do better can yes I can. I like your spoke kid. All right here you go. Shyness up while ahead out from my second show they make you do two shows a day. You know what they say. There's no business like show business. I see do you have to get tired going out this shooting twice a day now? I'm just doing what comes naturally. I guess why you sign that pistol up. I'll use my rifle for this show right here shining than you've ever seen it when you get back. This sounds good now. When she gets back she wants to see the pistol. I'll show it to her. All shined up. Of course. That's when you will distract her and I'll slip the gun into my pocket that's for you to figure out. I'm the evil mastermind. I can't possibly be expected to come up with everything. Dr Steven carry out their villainous plots. Let's turn our attention to our hero. Dr Floyd and his young protege Dr Graham Touch Floyd Buffalo Bill Cody Wild. West Show told us that we had to ride horses in tonight's performance. There's nothing we can do Dr Grant. We're going to have to ride horses in tonight's performance. But what about Dr Steve? Keep your eyes peeled for him. He's around here. Somewhere COMES BUFFALO BILL O. Hello Mr Cody Sir. No just what was it you want us to do. In the show You do or going to portray the robbers in the dead woods. Stagecoach robbery part of the show after an Oakland. Desert trick shots. We'll send the stage coats in for a lap or two around the ring. Then when I give the signal Youtube Herat off duns drawn and stop the stage coach in its tracks. Then you'll rob the folks on board holly. We are really going to be robbing them are we. Don't be a darn fool of car SNEHA. They're actors just lack you right. Sorry Oh you're a scout for the. Us Army Mr Cody. Sixty eight to eighteen seventy two was congressional medal of honor to wounded in action. Only words and even then it was only a scout. Boone wow I would love to be a scout. We'll kid I think you're a bit too young to be scout too young. Who's ever heard of a boy scout house? Lack any is just about finished with her. Sit You guys go sad. Look let's go get on our horses. Grant Mount their horses just as anti finishes remarkable display of marksmanship as she walks out of the arena. Dr Steven Richard are waiting for another excellent display. Miss Oakley thank you now. Where's my pistol I want to Gander at the job? You did Polish. Oh It's right here. See Ma Shan job. You boys really do Arganda. What does he say he's asking if we could go for a ride on that stage coach over there? You can hurry up though it's about two and out into the arena ugly Astros Dr Steven Featuring on board the stage coach just as it heads out into the main arena. It's an distraction Cajun. She completely forgot to take the pistol from me. And now when this little ride is back with VIP out of the stagecoach and back to the diamond spaceship data. Stephen featured are just moments away from succeeding. What they're planning to steal any pistol. Meanwhile Dr Floyd in Dutch grandmaster straight their horses at the entrance to the arena. All right. Let's get this show on the road. Puna your Bandanas in get out there. This is actually kind of fun. Dr Floyd who would like it Dr Grant Grant race out into the arena. Guns blazing links. Course the reason why. The site of stagecoach taking pullover to the occupants who are none other than Dr Steven Feature. Well well well look what we have here of Pesky no good vermin. It sucks shaped assisting. Please gentlemen don't hurt us. We just little and he's often. We would just going for a ride here. Nothing more. Well I reckon you won't get hurt as long as you hand over your money Pronto. Money hand over your go. All right Here take my money and he is my checkbook and credit cards. Take anything you'd like. Just don't take legendary shop shooter. Any Oakley's newly Polish pistol. I have hidden in my jacket pocket. Legendary sharpshooter Annie Oakley's newly Polish pistol in your jacket pocket. Do you know I don't who said that handed over partner or you'll be pushing up daisies. Okay all right here you go take it just. Please don't hurt US Malaysian. I want you to get out of this coach and get out of town. We ever see the Lexi you round these here parts again. We're GONNA lead now Stephen Pitcher High Taylor out of the stagecoach and the arena. The Light of the twelve thousand people in ten minutes. You the best vantage we've ever. Hey Josh thanks Mr Cody. Yeah you really something out there. I just realized those orphans got away with my newly Polish pistol or they doing Michaud. We got it right here. Any get your thank you. I show do appreciate it. You too have yourselves a permanent job if you lack. Thank you Mr Cody. But we wouldn't be happy just doing the same job day after day. There's people out there who need our help out. Your great right came a Sabi with that. Our Heroes Walk off into the sunset heading back to their time and spatial. Were those brave men bill. Sure in with little filler. Sure had a tiny hands race off into the time and space stream hurtling towards more adventure. Where Dr Floyd granted chicks wind up next ever put an end to counter. Steve's wrongful ways and will there ever been who doesn't come on Dr Floyd Small Head Greece? I get no respect at all the answers to these questions and more next week on the radio.
Takeout Outtake Especial: Rep. Donna Shalala
"From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. Welcome to your Tuesday, takeout out take special maitre, get repeats diner. Tana Sheila new member of congress, our special guest fun game segment here. No more heavy oddity questions. What ball I knew it talk about baseball? So we mentioned in the main broadcast that you had some experience in New York both as an academic and on the special commission. There's also someone that you knew in your childhood who became very famous New Yorker, some people forget that he started his life in Cleveland, George Steinbrenner famous owner, the New York Yankees. He was your baseball coach she was the west boulevard and the Oakley's I met your west boulevard. Annie Oakley's, let's let that soak in just for a second folks, the west boulevard Annie Oakley's, I met George Steinbrenner when I was nine years old came out and saw bunch of a little girl's basically playing softball. And he said, you know, you girls are pretty good. But there's a new championship in town. And I think you could win it. But you need to learn how to slide in throw overhand. There you go. And we said what we don't have a coach she said, I'll be your coach. Really? Yes. If you met George Steinbrenner years later and said, you know, down Sheila he'd say. She's the best shortstop by ever had and the cheapest. George Steinbrenner in his New York Yankees life was referred to alternatively as a visionary bombastic border line, shady, what was your experience with them at that young age, he loved young people, and that he loves sports, and he was just a kind and by the way at nine years old. We were all in love with him. He was a college student a very attractive, and we were all in love with him. But he was a kind nice guy who cared about young people any did all of his life. He made investments in you sports. So you said you played shortstop that was the position I played when I played baseball. Not very well. But I played it for a long time eleven years loved to play shortstop. Did you play that mostly I played left field? But I've just Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the congresswoman from south Florida has invited me to be on the congressional softball team. I still have a glove. So I go so we have three threshold questions congresswoman audience loves the answers. You may have by experts staff in pre programmed for this. I hope so so in no particular order one of the most or the most influential book in your life, one of your favorite movies or your all time favorite movie. And if you're on a long flight or a long drive what kind of music artists or John RA. Are you most likely to listen to that's interesting? My favorite book of all time the little engine that could. First time that's ever shown up on the takeout. Ladies and gentlemen, another. I. Let's see my favorite artists. I love jazz. So Cudi Williams, the old jazz of people? So I listened to a lot of jazz and. Let's see what was the third question movie. You know, I love old movie. So anyways, I I hope I hope folks with this is say, you're at home, and you are toggle targeting through the channels, and you see this, and you instantly stop that's one way to think about it'd be Casablanca. Okay. That'd be Casablanca, which I think is the greatest movie of all times because and I love old war movies because of Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall and Lauren Bacall because they were extrordinary in that movie. It has a kind of pacing, but it has a deeper meeting about a loyalty. Friendship friendship. Love. It has things that you want in a great movie. There you go. So I'm going to double back on little engine that could. Okay. That's a nice place. Older. There's got to be another book. And is that something you have thought of yourself being most of your life Lynch, and the could absolutely what was your first little engine that could moment where you actually got up. The hill said yourself dang. I can do this. Whatever it was. It was the peace corps. Yes. We did that go in that be Barghuthi early sixties, peace corps, Iran, Iran. And you know, we were put on the my we were put in a mud village in southern around. Not much electric city. Barely running water lived in a mud in a mud house. And it was an in your taking an American kid out of Cleveland, Ohio or out of college. It was a few days out of graduating from college and you end up three months later in a mud village with people that spoke both Farsi and era bec-, and it was a little engine that could moment can we do. This. Can I do this? Once you don't what the peace corps did for me is at number one. It may be a citizen of the world. I'm I understand and feel poverty and understand the context for looking at the world and at the challenges the world and number two it gave me a self confidence that Sade with me my entire career. You do that peace corps experience. You don't end up arrogant you end up humble, but with a kind of self confidence that helps your career forever. And I had the experience of my grandmother. My Lebanese grandmother gave me this letter to give to the headman of the village at. I always tell the story. I had no idea what the letter said because she wrote it in Arabic, and I didn't read Arabic, and I ride in handed it to the headband of the village at he started laughing, and I asked him what was in the letter. And he said it said this is introduced Donna Shalala the daughter of a great shake in Cleveland, Ohio. Please put her under your protection. You didn't know there was a great shake in Cleveland, Ohio. Did you? Exactly a mystery to everybody. I wasn't planning on this. But you touched on something that I think is important in our conversation of these times, you said in the early sixties member of the peace corps in Iran. You became a citizen of the world. I don't need to tell you Donna Shalala that the politics of today are least impart defined by the president saying America, first American citizenry counts. More than anything else and America spent too much time allocating its riches, and it's a tension two citizens outside of America. And it's time either to come home or to pull up the drawbridge and make sure America is what America always has been like you to respond to that. I think he's absolutely wrong. One. Our future depends on lifting helping people to lift themselves up all over the world. Not just for economic reasons. But think about the economic impact of this. Where are we going to get our markets? We educate people all over the world. We've I run into leaders of countries who tell me stories about peace corps, volunteers, the taught them they would be educated except for the peace corps experience. But so young Americans going abroad. It wasn't as much what the people abroad would live learn, and I think that's important, but brought us back and made us more citizens made us understand what the rest of the world was like. Kind of respect. And I think the president is just wrong. I think our investments from a humanitarian point of view. Look we can't we can't stop diseases from coming into our country unless we're making investments in global health abroad. Does the fact that he won tell you something about our plop politics that you may be misread or didn't thoroughly appreciate I think that I have as a kid that came out of a working class neighborhood in Cleveland, Ohio. I had a pretty good feel for the politics of resentment some people succeeded in this global economy and others didn't. When we did the trade agreements, we didn't worry enough about trade adjustments in the communities that were communities like mine, and Cleveland that we're losing major industries. That was a blind spot of the Clinton and and. More importantly, we have to we have to think about lifting everybody up and everybody ought to have the same opportunity you pull money out of the great public universities in this country, and you reduce the number of kids from low income Unity's put in working class communities that can go to those institutions most of the kids in this country are working and going to school now that was not true. I grew up either they went to work or they went to school. So it's a different environment. We have to invest in everybody in this country. We have to reduce inequality, and that's the way we change our politics. That's Donna, honestly, lower special guest on a thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure. I major we'll see next week. New episodes of the takeout or available Friday mornings rever, you get your podcasts. The takeout produced by Arden far Deanna. Critique oh and Jeannie Benson CVS end production by Alexander -ment, and Eric SU summit follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram takeout podcast. That's at takeout podcasts and more, visit takeout podcast dot com. The takeout is a production of CBS News Radio.
I Dont Gotta Know: Life in Your 30s (ft. Tyler Oakley)
"Are you excited to be a cat, daddy for day? I could not be more excited. I tell you what my predictions are very UV animal gonna fall in love with cats in just change my career path. No. That was literally predicted within you're not prepared for is the fact that once they're done just walking around your house, and you're just living your life. They will just come and cuddle you see. That's what I want. What I did. I did a video that was like dog dad for a day with Nathan's dog in the cutest, if you haven't seen Naven, doc Ali, what a stunned a true gentleman and true. John. I was prepared for an full Ali was nothing but well behaved and bark didn't bag. Didn't do anything. Everything went very smoothly was almost too easy. Like I had to, like fake shenanigans so that there would be some type of drama, my debt. Yeah. And then at night, he's slept with me and was cuddly and his book, it was just, like I guess I should get a dog. Yeah. Oh, they got there. They go. They got the cats are a lot more rambunctious than I thought. Hey guys, welcome to this episode of him. I agree. Why if you are pitchy on patriots of the podcast, you to enjoy a special conversation between Tyler and I all about cats. Can you believe in me? How me? Sir. I'm going along with whatever you do accept joining me, this week is extremely special guest and dear friend Tyler Oakley. Hello, everyone. So much. Thank you for being here to honor you're the first person to be my new house. It's also an honor. I need you goes to know if there's one thing that Hannah hasn't told you about her house, that is spectacular about her house. It's the fridge. Dining. Basis it when you close it, it isn't an to don't know. I just know what's important, and that's part of being thirty. Thank you. I'll boom wow. You should get the segue noise. I once rented a segue. Yeah. It was not worth my money. I didn't get my money's worth. I wrote it around in my living room. And that was a it help you transition between subjects and places kinda video. I got it for Halloween costume when I was the, the scammer guy from Tennakon. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Commit committed. Oh, clue about anything but about Tennakon, but I did it for the views. Did you not? That's good. It's good to be healthy. Did you have to wear a helmet? The man came to my house with the segue. Yeah. In told me you are supposed to wear a helmet but will be leaving your living room, all your film. So you do what you do. Right. So, okay. So I got fully naked and fuss. And then that was it about the media. But what do you think top to bottom? Well, I think we both know that watch my video to find out family now how dot com slash Tyler. It's on my patriarch TJ that porn hub is trying to buy tumbler. We'll somebody else I know to bring him back to job who really ruined. Everything am I love to say that? Are they a sponsor to podcasts ruined tumbler? In waves. Do you remember when all that I am going to go off? Remember all that spam came on tumbler lake shirt. It was like all of a sudden, it was like all this random shit and like Russian by. And then I'll the porn got band. That was my main source. I can't believe that the I it it's actually bitter sweet, because it leaves me to my magic nation more and more. So now, I'm just kind of have to whip up something in this old cranium. Yeah. Gotta get going with that in how your brain is fully formed. Now, the tumbler got urban four node actually has to work now because you're, you're here you've arrived today. Tyler in iron be talking about what it's like to be on the other side of thirty while can you drama. Does it feel different? Convincing advanced, no. I mean, the no, it doesn't because it's like what's the difference between the day before he ten thirty day up each other? It's like it's two days. That's the same today's spam that is in between thirty and a half. How long you been thirty about a month and Madrid since March really? I think that turning thirty is an event thirty one that's the weird one because then you're like, okay, I lied and you're thirty two oh, and then you turn, I'm going to be turning thirty three. Jesus died at thirty three. Say well are you going to outlive him? Talk to water to wine. Connoisseurs Toth crucified on their own platforms. You know who knows what's going to happen? I always say two things one. I love my fridge to Jesus died at thirty three. Well, when Cory turned thirty four it was a big jubilant today, this nice because he turned, he converted to Judaism. No, not jubilant. No. He just like he did the beep. But Jesus couldn't. I mean, this is a lot. You know, he really win I lived past twenty-seven. I felt the same way because of the twenty seven club. You don't remember the simple tell me a lot of people dying. Twenty seven Manley a lot. If I'm like heroin. Yes. Okay. Well, we're there's a whole Wikipedia page about it. Yeah. Well, Tyler here we are in our thirties, isn't or both homeowners, and I would like to just really say how much it means to me that when you walked in my house, you appreciated, the Fritsch will. Of course it was guys. I haven't, I haven't told them about the fridge animal. I'm just jealous of your eyes machine because my fridge the ice. Maker is broken. And so now I have to buy ice in a bag and I put it in the freezer, and it's like I'm embarrassing people are trying to like make ice with my and I'm like oh, that's broken right now. But it's been broken for two years. So I'm like I can't say it's been it's broken right now. It's like it's been come ownership is like you have to take responsibility for the shit that goes wrong in, like actually do something, and I am not doing any of those can ease into it. I will tell you a fun fact about fridges and then a promise we're going to stop talking about for guys. But Hello now we're not thirties a fridge the ice machine on the fridge is the number one thing to break. And the reason why is because if you're ice machine is connected to your freezer, unit every time you're opening and shutting the freezer door a little bit of heat. Enters your fridge. So a little bit of moisture enters, which is a little bit of water so Refrees in places the break your ice machine. So if you wanna get a fridge, which has an ice machine that doesn't break, you have to get it separate from your freezer. Some accents does. I mean, I opened my freezer lot because you know have a handler top of ice cream problem in. So I what I do is. I don't commit to one pint of ice cream I get one out. I sit down have some well, but I keep the door open until it buzzes in. That's my personal. Primer is machine shirt. It's my personal time for me to push the button to stop the beeping switch out to a new flavor. So tell at might be so that's probably. So you're free. You wanna fridge that allows you to have portion control. Well, this does kinda does when you worth breaking the ice maker. It does it when you were what has your fridge is a great conversationalist, because it knows how to break the ice third. Thank you. That was at a growing up was your house said, no shoes house. It was on house yet. Okay. That's how I know you grew up in chaos. I know a lot of the that's the real indicate I didn't I didn't start taking my shoes off until I went and lived in Japan. And then I was like, oh, this is great. I love what are you guys know, she's has we were no shoes. How you had so many brothers and sisters young had to be a no shoes house because there was no shoes house. But look, it doesn't make sense because it's like there was garbage everywhere. My look all dog hair everywhere. It's like it didn't have to be a no shoes. My biggest fear about getting a dog because now that we own a home where like open to getting a dog. I want to get like an old wiener dog I wanna do basically Charles's side. Absolutely. In my biggest fear. Is it shut him? No, I hadn't keep a dog off a couch and why would you want? We were a dog on the couch house. I don't think I could be a dog off the couch house. It seems cool. I loved the dog the dog on me with me at all times yet. No, I wouldn't. I when I see people at other people's houses said, get off the couch and say, oh my God has some kind of I mean, I'm so his like those e listening to our dog off the couch. I know the reasons right? No fuck you. Yeah. Open fuck you here. That's my, that's my the hill. I'm dying on. This is an ex chosen it. Well, it's because I guess the dogs are slobbering. They make the couch dirty. But, like if you're gonna get a dog, it's going to go on the couch. You seems cruel into so. I actually have an outline that was prepared for me to talk to you about being in your thirties. But I forget where my bids on my phone. Okay. Loco official. This is your relationship. The rumors are true. True true. Did you confirm that multiple times in the scales relationships? How does this compare is it your longest? Is it your short? Did not that it's over. Sorry go as of this moment that we're recording. We are still together at them. If you're listening. Hello. Is in-between? I've had three major relationships in my life. This one included. This is longer than my shortest, and short of the longest some have someone in the mental. But I would say it's definitely the most mature thankfully, obviously, of course, hopefully would be f-. I mean my last one was when I was twenty three so I've spent a long time single not for lack of dating, but boy, lack of figuring out who's gonna be the next person. So I think I've grown a lot from my time, being single in, like, I feel very in my element in this relationship, which is nice. Do you feel like in your twenties what you're looking for in terms of the person expand the majority of their time with versus the present, you spend your time with now, like, what are the differences for you or what did you experience? I mean my less relationship, it was during college in the guy that's a whole different set of priorities. I had no clue what I was going to do with my life, which is the same as right now. But. I at least have the income stream now I was living in a different state. I was dating somebody who was in a completely different career path who we were figuring out where we were going like physically were living silica. There were a lot of things up in the air for both of us in my lots leadership. Whereas in this relationship, a lot of those questions are answered. So I think that gives a bit more calmness in like a foundation in a steady rock to it. Where things aren't really just like up in the air in questions. I think that that's like probably one of the best differences in your twenties in your thirties is at when you're in any just entered a month ago even knew thirties for Madame on, but I feel like your twenties in a lotta ways can be way more stressful than your thirties, Joe. It's like twenties, or all trial by fire is a lot of comparison between the U what your what your friends are currently doing figuring out in. It's like live in the moment. Minute by minute seeing other people find. Their career paths or get accepted to something or get that big job of all bluff, whereas, I feel like in your thirties, a lot more people are for better for worse, establishing what they're gonna do in not necessarily trying to make those big jumps or big moves or which I think, is another thing about is almost a detriment to allow people in the thirties. But at least it's not like constant, like feeling of oh, everyone's figuring it out in this year. But everyone's figuring this out tonight in Chinese in your twenties. It was like, oh, shit tapper since at schools. Should I go? Oh, they are on a career with the track. Should I go? Oh, they're not doing anything. They're traveling the world working on farms should I go? I mean as much as we say that that's just new twenty is still kind of do feel that in my thirties. My Facebook is like endless people from my hometown of Michigan giving engaged and getting having their first kid their second kid, blah, blah, getting moved up in their corporation. So, like all these things are constant reminders. I don't think it really depends on the age. I think it's just a little bit. More stressful. When you leave high school, or leave college, it's like, oh, I actually have to make a decision, and if I don't make that decision right now. What does that mean for my entire rest of my life? Yeah, yeah. The comparison doesn't go away, but your relationship that the comparison will grow shirt, you know. Okay. But you're not really in your thirties. You just turned thirty. I don't know the context of what your critique Russia. Russia. This ask you this. What are the lies that you have to battle about being in your thirties? In terms of where you thought you'd be by the time thirty. Oh, yeah. Did you have an idea on your mind's eye of where he'd be at thirty perception of thirty has always kind of changed? Like when I was young thirty felt inches when I was like in my which is absurd right in all silly. When I was maybe like a Saint to me now, eighty I'm like, is a little like if eighty I'm like, what should I do with my life? I pretty much done. Do you. I mean you got your ticket to the Nigerians that are listening. Good luck, good luck. But when I was looking at my wife in elementary school or my Mateen's, perhaps it seems so distant and so far in lake a full grown adult. You think of like with a movie thirteen going on thirty their definition of old was twenty nine oh my God is, and you think about all these characters from like. Like movies that you watch when you were younger in these full grown adults with kids that are getting married gullible like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman was supposed to be hold twenty-five get four. And we are wet. You know, huddled was the cast of friends supposed to be high. No told that was the cat and the younger than what we are now. So you think about what they're supposed to be doing their lives. And you think of them as these, like grown, fully formed adults that are making huge decisions in that feels so distant in the now that I'm in the middle of overall like is it's not as old as it seemed to what, what do you gasping cast of friends would have been age twenty five to twenty six at the start of the show, bull shit. So what you're saying, people like v paleontology. Oh, you're seeing people like in fully formed. Careers as professors as getting married, as chefs, these people that are thriving in New York City with huge homes. It's like that's none of it was realistic. So my perception of thirty was a little bit skewed in, then you also have like the thought of like thirty in Gators. Yeah, if you're gay thirty is like kind of look a perceived as a death sentence. Wow. I is like old by a twenty year olds. But now that I have now that I'm that old. I'm like, okay, well, I was completely lying. I was completely like to it is so not like that. And I think it also depends on the city speaking of gay culture. You said thirty feels to you, it felt no death sentence. A huge dramatic Ross is a certain stigma that comes with getting older. Is that you're saying, yes? A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean is there. It's this like weird juxtaposition of people wanting to have this, like young life, but they feel the need to overcompensate in over succeed, because of a lot of their families are not supportive in, so you have to go above and beyond that, I feel like that's a lot of queer people in the also you want to relive this, like you said that you never got to have all my God. It was like all, yes. Oh my God. Because, like I feel this is okay. I felt like after I came out. I was thirteen years old. Yeah, I was twenty four when I came out, well, you older than that. But I felt like my, my perception of relationships and I kiss is in sex in everything felt like I was going through middle school. Absolutely. In terms of maturity, I feel like this generation is one of the first generations that gets to be young in queer when they are young in queer whereas our nation in a specially older generations who often never got the chance to come out still don't have. The ability to come out in their current situation pave the way for us. But never got so like enjoy it. And so our couples therapist actually check us the other day we were because you were acting like noodles. We are stressed out about the wedding, and we were just having a break like weddings or stressful moving stressful buying a home. Stressful. We're like leveling up in a way that brings up a lot of stuff now. Especially because we're both children of divorced, and like the whole kit and caboodle it comes up, and we were talking about the wedding in our therapists, literally interrupted as and was like, just for a moment. I want you to, to express gratitude for the fact that you can get married right now. Do you realize ten years ago, you two would not be able to even have this conflict because you would not be able to get married in the Nash in the nation and the sense. Right. California's been ahead of the curve for a long time. But if we have gotten in a car accident in Michigan where what would what would happen and shouldn't a kind way, obviously, she service, but it really did give us a new touchdown for every time start get stressed out about the wedding is just kind of remembering, like, there were people who fought for thirty forty fifty sixty years in and how grateful we should be to those people who never got the chance total to be like hell gay. Do we want our wedding? You know, like who's big queerest Java Ganda classic queer. What are we going to do with it? While I feel like we, we probably do revert back to the middle school way of approaching a lot of relationships because we'd never to do those things, when we were actually middle school or remove we're doing it. It was a facade. And we were too concerned about keeping up the facade than actually growing from the facade. So like all my gay, boy, friends who came out in college. I came out in college I had a lesbian girlfriend who came out after. The same. Nice drools. Hello another question. Have about as you're getting as you're growing up in gay culture, especially in, like West Hollywood gay culture. And maybe it's an only thing, maybe it's just being your twenties. Maybe it's being a part of the queer community. I don't know. But I felt really insecure about my body about my girl show horse, Ed. Yes. But that I mean that is has always been my life. I have always dealt with body image issues. I've always dealt with. Eating disorder or body, this more feel or just did you feel a lot of pressure lake from a not know if you've been listening LA as a city is a very outward facing city in a lot about appearance, and there's that new show on Netflix about the, the gay guy with cerebral palsy of you Monday. And just talking about, like there's a lot of pressure on people to have be like woo. You know, Joe. Oh, for those you can't see what I should respect so flagged because you have to be helped you have to get yourself, right? I've never really thought about it until this moment. But what's that I think for the majority of my time that I was single in LA it was while I was figuring out YouTube. I think a lot of the reason why I was single was because I had this like right now. I am working right now. I'm figuring out YouTube my career. Bo. Blah my now is meantime, right? And I was I was so much like developing Tyler aplly it not developing Tyler and part of that. I think is like the optics of what fit into the screen, I would die, my hair, but I wouldn't work on my body. United mean live. I would work on what you were thinking about your son literally was just from the neck literally l'attaque in, like so much of my effort. My work was going into maintaining the slide. I think for other people. Yes. Well, what are other people saying they never it's not about how am I living? Holistically within myself. It's like well as long as whatever everyone else can see works. That's fine money, I would go to my hair on the most. You know, important schedule. But I wouldn't go work out knowing full well, that it would give me like happiness, because when you work out early says, what endorphins or whatever I don't know the whole of the science behind. I wouldn't take care of myself in a way, that would like tangibly actually helped me I was doing it in the very like this. Is that people? Right. Exactly. Yeah. I think that your twenties are really important decade, but they're not the end of your growth as a person absolute in, I think, twenty's or more of your later adolescence, and your thirties, or more of your young adulthood. I would not. I did not feel like a young adult in my twenties. I felt like a old child. Absolutely. I, I mean, I think part of it is because our careers. We really gets a play a lot of other people don't some grateful for that. But at the same time, it was like I have never really felt like an adult in hill recently, and I still sometimes don't feel like an adult I think about, like, what it means to be grown up. And I'm like that, while technically, yes, but, like I only terms you can qualify in outline. Now, it's what, what does it mean to be an adult to you? If you spent her whole life, having to take care of others. Then maybe being an adult for you is getting away from them. Take care of yourself. If you spent your whole life entirely self centered and focused, maybe you're dealt is taking care of another person is, it's kind of like balancing on a scale that you get to build, you know, so you can put what's on that scale, and you get the figure out of balance it, and in your twenties, you figure out, okay, what am I gonna spend my life, prioritizing, your your twenties in your thirties? You get to see if you can do it. I you know, when I was growing up, I thought, like I would be, I've always thought I would be married with kids by twenty five to. And I looked back that I think, in what world did, I think that for me personally, that was the path, because at thirty there's no world where it can be married. There's no world where that would be appropriate. Like I just not in that place right now in. Furthermore, obviously, of course, kids in them. I think I don't. I don't even have to have a dog rate now can't so. Yeah. I mean my perception of what I thought I would be is also changed by like, what was in the mid west? I grew up in the mid west in what else do a lot of people have to do a lot of my friends, a lot of my family, a lot of everyone, it's very normal to get married, when you finish college, it's very normal to start having kids as soon as you get married. It's like all those things where I look at the people in Michigan. I'm like there's nothing wrong with it. It's just completely outside of what I am doing now. So it might. Moving out of Michigan. I think really changed the course absolutely in the in the context of my family is like I asked my parents, I was I just call my daddy of the day. And I was like. What were you doing when you were my age, like what were you up to when you were thirty in? He was finalizing a divorce. He had already had three kids. He you all these things were like, oh night gala might contend when they were twenty one. They had my sister. They were twenty four. They had Newman every twenty six never divorced by twenty eight. There's another run with, of course, is ending road. Like I think is just like his windows. I'm really grateful to be alive. Jack. God bless. It's just different. It's different than what I expect it is. Because it's like a I think, I, I completely agree. I fully also shared the expectation that by the time I was thirty years old. I think in my mind's eye. I thought thirty was forty for sure. And I really thought it'd be married with children who were like toddlers by thirty and now that seems just like the most insane idea. I mean for me. I never just hide ourselves obviously, don't handle on his own. Analyzing Tyler is so you can only do what's supposed to be right for you. I do think there's something about like having kids when you're young. I do want to have kids when I'm young and I do wanna be youthful, when they're the graduating high school in like having their own kids. I get it. You have no idea. The kind of pressure you don't have from not having a uterus, because literally L up my beloved twenty eight year old partner, it will be like tick tock bed when we gonna put a baby in that I do have to say I'm grateful to not have that type of energy around it, though, I don't like what are we going to blow out my body? I'm no no ever. I don't know personally, I know I want to adopt. I know that, that's I don't feel it ticker on that. But I who knows what my partner will want to be who knows what win the time will come. Although six so you know, I don't know. I don't know either. But I don't know we don't have to know that something we get to figure out in our thirties. There's no exit Unal child for me, not will be same succumb vary. So. So you're like, is that. You don't have children. You're not married right now. But how do you, I guess deal? With those expectations you did have like how do you take care of the self that you are today versus is often your twenty s you know, I think this year I've become really good at it helping thinks to Nathan who you know, who helps me like really organize with, but also organized like my YouTube stuff all the stuff he in. I really worked hard on knowing that being creator means growing. Because if you don't grow, you have nothing to talk about the different than what you've done in your before. So like figuring out what I wanted to do this year. That was like just for me, so things like going to fingerpi-, which I have been putting off and being like, I don't know how I'm going to figure it out or finding a purse. It's just like all the excuses, I would give he was like nut. We're gonna like this is something you want to prioritize. So we're going to prioritize it in, like, also. Diving into new things. I feel like a lot of people. Once they leave college. It feels like the end of. Minding growth. Yeah. Or experimenting and figuring out what you like him what he don't like it's like college is a great time high school. Is a great time where you join things, hate things leave things. Join a new thing hate that love this will figure out what you actually, like, whether it's because clubs or because the classes or whatever you like play new instruments, or you learn new language of old, blah. I think a lot of people in my life that have left school in are now in their like traditional nine to five or even people that are in more creative flexible time line. Don't give themselves the freedom to, like learn new things or trying to think so this year. I'm really trying to do that. I'm going to compete in a lessons which has been like I feel my brain working, you know what I mean? Like for a long time, it just was a lot of things feel like monotony, but, like this, every time I go panel, and I'm like, oh, my brain is stretching a funky way. It feels so good while you're doing something. It hasn't done before yet out. Which is really good for anybody who's caught in patterns in their life that are in healthier. They wanna break out of sometimes it's not about breaking the. Pattern it self. Sometimes it's about adding different patterns as opposed to trying to remove a pattern guardian. It's like okay this is a time. I'd usually I don't know, like it, Elaine. Like my phone. Yeah. And it's like okay, well, don't tell yourself not to do that. Put something else. There it is. It is bonkers to me, how much I have grown in the past four or five months. Panelists simply by giving one hour a week one hour week is nothing is. And I could have easily just spent that one hour week browsing Instagram, which I would have done last year in so integration is having a bad effect on my self. I really am loving muting people on every single platform. Like I just went through muted, so many people last night, liberation all it so much, better, people that make that, like trigger bad feelings about my slick whatever you don't need to do not Adam JK. He is a artists that item Graham. He helped me make my pins for chosen family. Last year. He helped design this might we'll look. He he put up a post that release stuck with me and resonated with me about, like you don't go into anybody else's place of work and try to enjoy that version of them, like bec-, just because you are friends with somebody doesn't mean you're going to like their online brand like that's their work. Sometimes that's who they are at work. You don't have to like that. Then sometimes if that makes you like them less. It is the nicest thing to mute them or involve them saying that you can continue to like them as really are the person that you now, I think granting yourself the freedom to like be the curator that takes care of yourself, instead of the curator that follows people because you feel like you have to heck so crucial. If you're having trouble finding your voice or hearing your own thoughts social media is not going to help. It's a bunch of other people's voices, a bunch of other people's thoughts. The best thing you can do at least the best thing I can do is showing. -pends on who you follow on social media. I don't like to if I'm like feeling not positive about myself. I don't like to go on my Twitter. My Instagram will then union to check your following I go on. My read it, you can curate your Twitter. It's grim to be like your should carry it. My Twitter the way I get to experience something, somebody's like I don't get Twitter. I'm like, well, it's because you're not following the people that would bring you joy, if I'm going to start muting, please Lord and not ever know, in honestly, the best thing about muting it's not just like learning to appreciate your friends as your friends instead of their brand, but slowing down your time line, so that you go, and refresh it less. I would love to watch a social media, digital wellbeing. Like health, if I could leave that my God, I am the definition of tally health. I'll go out. I'm yeah. I'm just your Google yet. Please roommate because like all of a sudden I look at my phone. I'm like, when did this get some toxic? It's a lot very quickly. So it's, it's like before you know what you've refreshed fifty times in an hour. And then you've got all these new things. You continue to read. It's like a waste of your time. But let's people who follow the less, you can save the more time. He goes, spend something doing something else changed how you use your time. I love that. I love. Yeah. Okay. Great. How do you make time for therapy? Not so turn to make time hard to do the work. Like I even this even every week. I'm like, I don't wanna therapy because I know it's like work. I get it. It's like it's a doozy. It's an emotional doozy. In some people don't wanna go put in the work. They have this time, but they don't wanna put in the work. It's but I just know it is an investment now, I just know it is if something were to come up in my life, heaven forbid, that is a huge nuclear bomb. Yeah. Nuclear nuclear both if a bomb were to blow up in, I didn't have the support system in place of a therapist, or, or even in my own personal sports. I would be very I'd be much more helpless than I am currently because I've said. Up a support system. So yet feels like why go to therapy if I'm not going through the worst thing, I can possibly imagine a lot of people have that mindset but it's like therapy is a sometimes you get more out of there, when you're not in crisis because then you can prepare yourself crisis will come Christmas becoming, but you're learning the skills and the things that are going to prepare you to deal with that in a more effective way, when it does come, plus, you're setting up a relationship that you can really build in trust windows, come. Yeah. I think it's important, I love that you don't have to be into it. You don't have to get something out of DAL with. No. You don't say, yes. There's many ways to to experience therapy. I think whether it's by cultivating relationships with people around you, whether it's cultivating relationships with yourself. So maybe like traditional therapy might not be free. I don't know. I can't talk yet. I think that finding the one that works for you. We don't like conversion therapy. We did not. You can put our foot down on I did not enjoy conversion therapy. I also don't particularly like fish. Salt. It's a style that I don't find offensive. I don't know him. I knew him. I'll tell you about an later. I think what is also kind of funny about your twenties thirties, I took everything more seriously in my twenties than I do on my thirties. Oh for sure. I mean obviously, I'm speaking like freshly thirty, but even if I were to include like the late twenties, twenty twenty eight twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine are very different years than twenty three twenty four twenty five twenty six is not included. They're just kidding. I also think a lot of it all really is warped on my time on YouTube in a I think this era of my life. Or unlike very more relaxed and more chill in take things seriously. Don't really care and care about the things that I should care about. I think I'd fading who knows maybe when I'm forty I look back at this and be like, girl, you still didn't care about the right things. But in context of, like, what I cared about my twenties? I do think I'm prioritizing things better. Yeah. Trying to while I'm happy. We can care about things at all. Yeah, that's something that especially with, like, building these routes, and they're different from how we would imagine them. It's like in the cookie cutter kids by thirty mind's eye life. I feel grateful that I'm in my thirties, ungrateful debt, your you're entering thirties with priorities with the things you know to care about. And I think that's a real gift. I my heart breaks for people that don't feel like they can find that care without finding the burden that goes along with it. And I think a lot of people don't want to care about things because they don't want to be responsible for them or be afraid of losing them. Like all those, those fears that need to be confronted. Okay. If you could go back in time and tell yourself one thing year old Tyler just out of college. Then don't think about the Tyler Oakley public figure of at all think about like internal Tyler, what would be the something he would tell them what was just. Just moving to San Francisco. I think I was or maybe I was in the middle of San Francisco about to move to LA. I don't know. But I was definitely probably the type of person that wouldn't listen to any advice, I would have given me. So thirty year old me would go back in time, Twenty-three-year-old would literally just be like, oh, Geiger, all in, like walkaway, I'm sure, but if I were to give advice it's hard to separate the YouTube of it all because YouTube was my life. Youtube was like every inch of by by as a person as person any could have been. But remember, like if you had a different career path that probably would have been your life to, you know, I'm sure, but like knowing the personal things that I was going through probably like the advice, I would give is everybody else's opinion of you has nothing to do with you and I still need to hear that advice it and needed to hear that just now. Well, it's, it's it is something, Michael Buckley, said that once in a video interest really stuck with me. Everyone will have something that they think about you in. You cannot do anything to change that you, there's nothing you can do you can be on your best behavior. You can be the kind of person you can say, all the right things you can be does as catering to their exact wishes that you think that they have in, it's still will not be enough sorts. Like what they think is within them as it's completely within them what you are, is within you. And you just gotta you gotta accept that at. That's a doozy is the Ducey introducing because it's so fun to jump into other people's had to be like this is what they're thinking about me right now that we're just making that up because we have no idea somebody could be thinking, like man, I'd hope I don't shit my pants right now. And we'll give you like being weird ready? They seem like I feel like I'm being weird. I constantly have to remind myself like nobody cares about your performance at the event. Nobody cares about your performance in this conversation. Nobody cares about all like every single thing. Nobody is thinking about you because everyone's concerned about themselves everyone. Yeah. Everyone every. Is like did I say something weird? Do I be weird? I'm on my soup. A lot of bad. Do I look like shit? And this big, nobody's even looking at you in the picture the picture themselves, so like nothing that is as much as you think. Yeah. I love that. Meanwhile, a still go through that, that every single day where I'm like, I do think all those things I do think everyone's do think everyone's paying attention home acting like how I form sentence or Boba all these in constantly have to be like nothing matters, nothing mad thing. I'd say in the good way begins the hard thing about letting go I think what I struggle with with nothing matters in a positive way. Is that my like brain when it's not in a good place is always like well did nothing matters? I know I get ahead how it's a fine line. It's it's trying to find that three. I feel like if I could tell us nothing matters, and that's okay, yet seven matters. And that's okay, nothing matters and you still nothing matters. But you matter. Doormat but nothing matters don't worry, but I feel like if I could tell myself one thing, in my twenties, it would be you're going to make mistakes, and your life will not fall apart, because what I have such a hard time letting go of in the ninety that really haunted me, my twenties. I had this very absolutist kind of mentality of, like, oh, no. I have to do this. Right. And if it doesn't go xactly as I hope fuck, why I've screwed everything up, and I serve it with that realistic degree now. But I would I would have appreciated a little bit of that relief. You know, as opposed to just losing, just so much sleep. Just constantly losing sleep. I'm just I mean, I'm I'm a little bit. I think you're people loser. I think I'm with people like serve. I think another piece of advice giving me. Nope. You don't own anything you only oh your self a good life. And I think a lot of my time in my twenties. It's like trying to. To accommodate in trying to give in trying to there's nothing wrong with giving. But like a win it means that you're taking away from yourself. You have nothing left to give and you have nothing left to give yourself. So it's like obviously, I'm so around. It's sad figure out, I need never will never will. But I'm inching closer at least in. It's like at least being aware in conscious of these things helps me frame, how navigate it all. But yeah, I think to giving giving give when you have nothing left to give is just like a detriment. It is just like torture, invade don't even recognize it. It's torture because he thinks that you're doing the right thing. But you have to take care of yourself down. You should give what you have in excess not what you have as your sublime, you know, instead, he don't have an excess amount of energy that day. It's okay to not give it all in. I love that last, but not least opposite question. How do you feel like Tyler Oakley is, as like a person in this weird weird life. I've been bitten by. Somedays road. Really good. Some visit really shitty. It's like I'm just figuring out how my dad at time but is it really is one day at a time. Not unlike a traumatic dramatic way. But like I'm figuring it out. Yeah. No. I feel like if are you feeling he'll kind always Hannah Hart Hannah heart is feeling good. I feel like I do. I feel good. I feel like I exist, which is great like, I feel like I can see the difference. I feel like I know myself and I have privacy and it's really nice. Yeah. I get to make things because I wanna make things not because I'm giving pieces of myself away deliver now like tasting hilltop. Do we love to have fun? Loved to have five. We're on a fun tomorrow to do. You have anything coming up that you wanna talk about that. You like still only music race. Congratulations, I know, Allah is a rabid fan. Really? Oh, I didn't know that you Ellison to me, once I always thought was amazing. She said, and maybe I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to she's like, Tyler's your funny, est friend. No. I have never been more happy and excited in films. And like she said validated in hilarious. She'll love. How is you just got? You just got flabbergasted. Flustered by isn't that funny? That's an honor. I not knows like everybody everybody. Now. She knows funny people. I know she does Corey so that really says that I'm the funny, one of me in court. Well, actually, listen to psychobabble she hasn't spent any time Corey, okay? Actually, so you're saying if she did we again? She watches us on the ratings. In course funny on the race anyway. Yeah. Well, you know what? I'm gonna take it for what it is. Thank you so much. You're putting it in my Twitter bio. Funniest friends. Quote element Jenkins amazing. We'll Tyler Levy so much. They your being here. Owner to be here on your home honored to be in your life, you in my life. When did we meet two thousand something to make sense? Eleven it's been a while it's been many years. We should all celebrate our tenure friend of her Serie twenty s please we're going to go it calm. No. But maybe, you know, maybe we should never own con. We should do bicycle my birthday. She. Well, you would I did never look at that figure it out out. Maybe we go to Vegas, maybe we see Gaga. Maybe we do something fun. Who knows what Goco will be up to them. Do you don't think she's going to do residency, by that still should know what's going to be over by twenty twenty one hilar- residency? It's like five year thing isn't this is only committed figure fig- figure them, you know anything about my Queen barely Manos will be in residency then but yeah, we should probably off probably us. The slumber party to our residency. I'd sooner die. Well. Thank you so much for listening. If you want to be a part of our patriot family. There's less than a hundred pins left. Tyler we'll give you a pin and Galveston to love is well, she said she couldn't be here. I was very bummed. When I found out that you remember what nickname you gave Hanno in guys met. We went to your house for a party. It was us two and a one Chemin, and it was like mama roofs baby Ruth Donnie, Goethe's, reunion. Oh my God. So much being here so much click, like review, and make sure you check out time. There's podcast is, you know, it's called psychobabble. Are you gonna come on up? Do you did you come on, when we were doing a video or twice you came on video, and would before we did video, so you need to come back for non video games? Yes, god. I need to introduce ellett Corey, so she can get it. You know, don't be rude. Okay. Thanks guys.
"Approach. Listener support W in Weiss e studios. Number one. My family is from Nigeria Igbo people. And I remember one time I went home, and we were driving from the airport and Legos this is in the late ninety s. There's a dead body just bloated body on the side of the highway. And I looked and I was like that's a that's a dead body. And I'd never been in a space where there was a dead human body treated kind of moved past it like as if it were road kill. And in that moment to I was just thinking. How death is just right there. And it's close it's close. It's there. Number two. Thinking too much about things that scare me. Can you walk around like a wound every day and survive this place or what's the balance? Number three. At my daughter will be a mountain climber. For my daughter, victimizing others in any way. Five. My daughter being victimized emotionally spiritually psychically. Because I love her so much. Tonight. No, capacity. No. I mean, I love people. My husband. I mean. But but. To not be able to protect her from pain. When she was just I don't know how many weeks old or even a month. And my husband was cutting her nails. He cut. I saw the blood before I heard the scream. I thought I think I'm gonna hit him. I did not hit him because I know he didn't mean to. But he was like, she's okay? She just cut her finger like it's it's the thing inside of me that there's something inside of me. And it goes it goes mad. It goes. It goes mad. Six. Losing my mind in the wrong way. Their values that we have an in capitalist society that maybe I don't wanna be connected to people have to go quick. I've gotta get this. By this time. I've gotta get I've gotta get this degree. It's gotta be from this school. It's got a I've got to make this much money by this time. I just feel like that's I know inside that thinking that way would make me crazy. Seven. Losing my curiosity. Eight. That those in positions of power who use lies so hatred to hold onto that power will not face the consequences of their avarice and deceit. Nine that. I will die before witnessing those chickens, come home to roost. Ten. That when I do die. My consciousness won't be ready for the transition. I have this theory. I don't know why have this that your afterlife. What comes next is going to be shaped by what you're feeling at the moment of the transition. Like if you're thinking. I'm going to see demons. I'm going I'm going to hell then you die. You're going to be in hell, right or. What if you can really imagine something quite glorious imagine the the most beautiful day surrounded by the people that you love maybe it's an ongoing sleepover. And it's sunny all of the time. I don't know why. My name is Oakley. And these are tempting that scare me. Oakley is a performance artist. And a twenty eight MacArthur fellow. If you like ten things that scare me tell a friend and leave us review on your podcast that. You know, it scares me. Dress codes. What are you? Scared of tell us at ten things podcasts dot ahrq. It's great word you monk euless. When the Kanawha it's it's like, it's it's a glob of a word, right? Like, you feel like it's kind of made out of some sort of the word feels like slime in your mouth.
Autism and superheroes
"This is an ABC podcast. Hi It's all in the mind on our in. I'm Lynn and Malcolm today. What the cartoon Characters Repeat Pete and laser beak man have to tell us about living and thriving on the autism what is in spectrum meet repeat pay is basically a story about acceptance and inclusivity stupide the it's based on some of the traits of art clean but we have kind of explained them through the character pates yeah he is a pirate with repetitive behaviors and when you have things like that just like repaid is not not certain three embarrassed of its today proud of because I'm smart yes luck that thirteen year old Oakley and before him his mother the Colleen Matson who's author of the Book May Repeat Pate and more from them later but now mate team shop and he's Mom Judy. I'm is Tim. I'm a world famous. Autism EPA Scipio called plays big men was eleven years old on Tim's Mum Tim's very planned and I have the great on on supporting him in his Acharya but as a little boy he loves superheroes didn't he likes to be heroes. Switch runs two Jalek Batman Spiderman Superman X. Men kept in America all of them. He's always had this love SIPI resin. He just wanted one of his own. Tell me about laser Bateman. He's a superhero. He has a beak in his face. He doesn't use it much cheese. He's he's been around. He's been in OP galleries. TV shows and play as well team shop is now thirty one years old and he's very proud if he's bold and colorful artworks which feature his Superhero Laser beak man the character he created when he was eleven. He's art is now in demand all over the world. He's mother. Judy recalls when she first realized that team was on the autism spectrum. Tim was more firstborn child and the day he was born was the happiest I have more lost by. Tim was walking and he was hitting these milestones all stones but there are other things happening that were a little alarming. One of them was a great sensitivity to sound or different since items and go ahead no doubt that Tim was intelligent and he had a lot of abilities but there are a lot of unusual things happening Aug.. Saying the memorial off before but he it was always the love about offie was the joy of my life but I felt I had to do something to be helping him to get through these everyday things that were really upsetting for him when he he's three years old. Judy took team to a specialist doctor and Hayes Diagnosis Wars that team had autism and that came difficulties will offsite survey that there wasn't a Haifa team and he told me to put him away in forgetting you have have another son to Sam and around that time you were going through difficulty yourself. I think you had to escape from an abusive marriage. That must've been so difficult. There were difficulties for team in San was born ten weeks premature on our bled to death on the operating table. I had to be revived so as exhausted I was overwhelmed was not physically well because I'd had such trauma at birth and as well. I was in a very abusive marriage. I was still married at the time of that. Diagnosis and a big part of the hood of that was that always being blamed by the boy's father is well for causing the autism autism there was a constant fear or wasn't able to escape and head to its skype another year lyda because it was clear that I wasn't going to be able to live for much Volga and our head to live to look after more Tucson's. Judy feels very lucky that they found effective and inclusive schooling for team it with important for them to feel part of community team. What do you remember about your life as a school child. And how did the other kids react to you making friends and hang out with them. It was good and audit some at Har School Lynn Judy. Tell me about how you discovered. That team was good at drawing just by accident really one of the biggest things for me. Particularly winter was little was that he didn't speak and always just thought if he could tell me what's wrong can fix it or try to find a way to fix it. That's what I put everything on and if we had that would be out of work through some things and it wasn't going anywhere and I was getting more upset and frustrated and saw was tim and I was getting more desperate and then one night or sat down and Dreyfus team and our have ability in that in not at all and Tim took up a pencil about a year later he didn't want getting anything he's Hanes and it was clear from the first during that he had something but as a little boy he loves superheroes didn't hit him. I saw like superheroes. which ones did you lock Batman Spiderman Superman Extend Captain America and all of them? It was he's always had this love of superheroes and he just wanted one of his own. Tell me about laser Bateman amount when I was eleven years old Lynn. He's as a superhero. He has a big in his face. He doesn't use the cheese been in art galleries. TV shows and play as well. You created a birthday card when you first created laser Bateman us on. Did you made a birthday card to take to a friend's birthday. What did it say. Aud have a filthy Disgusting Birthday Lynn Sal Judy. Can you describe a little a bit further the drawings that he's done with the laser beak man they're very original and that's what draws people to them that it's uniquely team so the team works in wind up crowns the kids use it scope and that makes them distinct and original as well often. The white team list is something the first why is the white keeps doing it throughout his life so they also reflect team is very unique way of looking at his court wicked sense of humor some some of it is the literal interpretation of language that comes with autism but not all of it so we get to travel a lot and made some people and so I will make them in a coffee lounge somewhere and thou be ordering things and Tim kept hearing this way and he likes the sand of some woods. He'll say them repeatedly. Maybe one hundred times a day and in these coffee shops people kept saying all have a flaw place. I'll have a flat one place all have a flat Lord. It must be the new trained in coffee or something so teams mice recent not wake has I lady and a white sitting on the at Sawday cafe and in the middle of the ride is white man lawing completely flattened. Don't bake man is driving a steamroller away side. That's a flat wide then. There's another one too. I think that's funny. It's cold picking up cheeks. That is funny and that's a very little lies. A big man is in a farm yon and he is he's picking up little fluffy yellow chickens a lot of the men lock that one finally it was that easy for them so there is is a lot of humor in them. Do you think that the huma comes from teams literal understanding of language in that appeals to people who aren't on the autism spectrum I trim the humor is just part of Tim's personality. Paddock Tim's character and I think that's what forms a connection with other people because because we have a common sense of humor but tim also introduces them to another way of looking at things or he's distinct brand of humor. Sometimes it's easy for people people to assume that absolutely everything that Tim Dazzle thinks is because of autism but autism is a big part of his left but also as his personality and character every single person you meet with autism is an individual you know they share the similarity of diagnosis but they also have their own individual traits and clearly with team one of the strongest. He's he sent to fema from a very very very young age. He's five. It was always it was your five at cutting nineteen bugs bunny my favorite character burke actors Lynchings Guidry's Bugs Bunny Lynn so he also has that slapstick sense of humor love of Yuma one of he's first words before even said mom was bape for the ride runner and you could see bugs Bunny Wile E. Coyote Arana in a steamroller flattening what the team's not he's really in demand. It's been incredibly successful. Just tell me about some of those successes. What have you done tamers. It's just endless really while endless not tim's the first person in the world with autism to have his into an animated TV series which screened condone ABC three and was my company here in Brisbane Big Fish TV. We've been to New York to work on the development of the stage production of Liza Beekman. Tim Become a keynote speaker was in the final. Three Best Speaker in Australia is had a book. We've traveled the world. There was a music festival stolid in his Zona for autism awareness in Nashville Tennessee. He's exhibition celebrities Sean. Out at the Metropolitan Museum of New York City some landmarks in Brisbane of lit up with these out. You know just blows my mind. I can hardly believe it so why did he. Do you think teams art has been so successful to the broader population Russian. What's its appeal. It's uniquely team and Puglia is joyful. When Tim has an exhibition we go every single day so you gotta the galleries racing you watch people and they woke up. They'll stand in look in front of a pining for pining dot wickson cry on the stand there for a couple of minutes and then you'll see the penny drop in. I laugh and they small and a lot of it. They really connect to and some of it's beautiful messages. There's one eastern coal. Everyone is beautiful in its the help I just just filled with the number one and he's called them all differently or giving them different patents and that really speaks to a lot of people. That's they believed to then. Everyone is beautiful awful and they also like Tim Story as well. I feel an attachment to that so he's got this big appeal. He's exhibitions always sell out exhibit in the world. It's I Arnim Zola this coming when he was four years of age so team. How does that make you feel to know that your artwork has been so successful around the world and selling all my art it's really good at doing. Lhasa drawings travelling and meeting people and going to places Laughlin Judy. How important do you think teams art is taking his sense of wellbeing now. Oh yes I think it's very important actually because it is that connection with the community and it gives him a great opportunity to meet with a lot of people and there's an expectation fourteen with all these opportunities that he can do it nets always encouraging when somebody believes in you and ide has helped with his confidence that it keeps drawing is a big band because he gets the response it gives him something to do. We work on that theory. You know something to do something to look forward to someone to love and with the end Eddie's mother lies boxes. You've been an advocate for those on the autism spectrum and their families. What do you believe the most important conditions things that need to be created for people on the autism spectrum to have an optimal saints of Happiness and well-being definitely opportunity and that Opportunity Shinde has to be provided and with that opportunity there has to be an expectation for success. It's part of the reason that we shared him story. The most success stories we have the more that spreads the message Barth within the autism community and is with that. We're also looking for some acceptance of difference John a tim you happy in your life now so I am in my life a lock it. I'm just interested team. Do you have some favorite music on my favorite. Band is the Beatles Lynn in What's your favorite song. Vaughn is yellow submarine. Lynn and he just crowded a fatal reference in there. He does that a bit in Morelos each yeah yeah and team. How important is your relationship with your mom. Judy my mom we are your team. Chris were Northwich. I'll hang out the two guys lots of places Chris. Were happy together. We love each other's and Judy. What have you learned from team. Oh everything tim my Mahala worthwhile on you nothing of life until it was Tehema think we'll of course the mice obvious is pure unconditional perfect love that we will seek and the other great gift that of late from Tim is this amazing he ability he has to be in the moment and Mike every part of that die every proud of at that moment with wall and to give him happiness that is such a unique skill that he has. I've lent to be more accepting accepting. I think I've learned a lot of bad I think once I would have code difference analysis phone at uniqueness and I'm drawn to that now with not just just timber everybody the MARLA would not have been with wallet over there and how do you see attitudes have changed over teams lifetime for those always with autism. I think a lot more people are aware of autism now. Everybody seems to have heard the word. I'm not sure that there is a great deal of understanding of what it is. I think there's definitely a lot more opportunity for people with autism you to live a really fulfilling lot. I'll say that guy forward but at the same time there's also some really huge gaps that haven't caught up for people who require a lot of support. There's there's still not that recognition of the pot that autism pies in the loft so we're doing some things really well and some things just taking a bit longer to to catch up but getting the information out there is very important because once people know that we sign them with different we can break down a few Komo barriers and have more inclusion which needs to be supported inclusion within the saw judy shop and her son team creator of the artworks featuring his Superhero Laser beak man and to see some of of teams. I hate to the all in the mind website you with only in the mind on our in. I'm Lynn Malcolm Monarchy Matson CERNAN. I'm thirteen years old and I was born on the fifth of June two thousand six now. Let's Meet Repeat Pete. These children's book was written by Oakley's mom Carly Madison and was inspired by her son. It's called Mamie repay with a part heart with repetitive behaviors and I believe that your mom got the idea to write the book because of a drawing you did if apart when you were five yeah. I got that idea once when I was moving your one and I use some pencils to draw that but I in Colorado Oakley is now thirteen and he's on the autism spectrum his mom carly outlines the story of mate repeat. Pete Soy Oy pates has typical repetitive behaviors which consistent with somebody who has autism and he has some sensory processing issues as well so he lives on a pirate ship with the environment really is not sort of if working for him because of some of the city has sorry he gets to a point where he can't stand being on e. sheep anymore due to the environmental factors as well as the lack of understanding and the teasing by the rest of the crew so one day he sees some land and he decides to jump overboard overboard and start swimming to the island so it's all about the positive outcome of what he endures on the island way he finds that not all people people out of the same and bicycling everybody there is accepted four they differences Oakley. What do you think of the Book Your Mom's written. I think it's awesome. Lynn and I think it's awesome. Can you identify with repaid yeah. He is a pirate with with repetitive behaviors and one eight when he goes on on ships he doesn't like it when there 'cause he gets sick so that is something metaphorically has endured he really finds it difficult to be on boats because the rocking the same sick will it does it gives him a bit of a sensory theriault. Deloitte as well. We actually did have an occasion where he did jump overboard of family outing Oh. How is that a cle- why did you do that. Don are well. Thankfully it was only Ian Adam so beware now to say so. He just preferred to be the water where things were a little calmer than the the rocking on the do that. Feel Better Oakley in the water. Yes at Dylan. Repeat page has a lot of repetitive behaviors. Can you identify with those repetitive behaviors like he does. He go flaps every every day and hey. He says dogs have to go to the pound whenever they bug. What do you think about that when I hear dogs bark eyesight that I I said Oh my dog you're going to the Powell my son balking without Lawson's word on their ticket. You're yes so that's that's actually that's not rape. Pay Oakley does have some sensory issues around dogs in relation to the barking so and they it can buy you as well yeah but what he explained before about the Eagle flaps. That's a term that he uses now. He's jumping used to be really quite pronounced and he's learned to control that a lot so rather than the actual jumping action he more just now has a modder flapping action with these arms. Do you feel like you've learned something from repeat. Pete Oakley yes listen I did. I learned that I can be like that. Sometimes Sometimes d love story yes I do. I'm an artist and I want to build a zoo. When I grow up. I like joining zoo animals. And how does it make you feel when you're drawing mushroom feel calm. You know that you're a good drawer. Yes I am. It's been a really good thing for him to engage with the students when he was in primary school. That was one of the things that the students would always if they saw oh me walking through the school that sorta chased me down and tell me what cleared being jarring and tell me what a great artist he was so that was something that gave him a skill that that he could show to others that you know he may have had difficulties in other areas but this was an area where hey could excel so yeah. He's quite creative. In many ways through drama or through drawing sometimes puts little stories together. Do they make you feel good about yourself. Filth yes I do Oakley's mother. Carly explains how she came to ride make for Pete Pete. The book actually started a couple of years ago. I just as a AH project for school for World Autism Awareness Day and we used to celebrate that every year by the rating a story or doing talk and this particular year. I thought the thing that I really WanNa talk about is the stemming so the repetitive ritualistic behaviors because a found found that those were the questions that I received the moist from other students. You know why does Oakley do this. What does it do that but it was. It was always in a positive they were just genuinely humanly curious so I looked for a story that I could read to them and I couldn't find any children's stories on that particularly try and it really just grew from the so the feedback even during that time just off to the draft copy which was originally only arriving story was amazing. Sorry you know I had a lot of backing from people who were very positive and said you need to get this out there. This needs to be published. People need to read this and Oakley when you talk to kids about autism. What do you tell them. Don't usually Dir that. I because I don't like talking about it. That's why not because I usually like talking about other stuff with my friends Sir Sir. I know I like all that and don't tell anyone about that at all. So what some of your favorite activities or interests that you like talking about art does Ni painting drawing and also deserves about going to Thurs.. So what would you like to do in the future when you leave school. I'm going to be an artist and a zookeeper yeah. I'm going to be building my own Zor and I'm GONNA earn it. I'm going to be a boss the zoo yeah the big boss Holzer and testing that sounds pretty good perfect for you. MHM whatever animals I wanted my zoo. What are YOU SPRITZ. Elephants Hippos Tigers Lions Cheetahs has rhinos drafts zebras gorillas orangutans. I like ours. Is there any particular music that you love listening to the Lion King. Two thousand nine hundred eighty nine collie. What are the key things. Is that you want to change in terms of society's understanding and acceptance of autism and difference very right todd boy starting. I know it's just increasing that awareness and understanding that these behaviors they're in the city to someone with autism. It's how they self-regulate just creating that PIA sensitively by sort of identifying that everyone has has particular traits or behaviors that they've default to at times of stress or excitement excetera so just trying to display that because these behaviors davies there although it can make a person look different. They're actually not that different at all. It's just it's more exaggerated you know in a person with autism so so by just sort of likening it to a child who might Rocklin they chair raw tap their pin on the table chew on parts of clothing on their head as a role. I guess what we call habits and I never did any of that stuff. No we're not saying you saying you know. Other students have been observed moved having those behaviors and just explaining the reasons why so hints we use the whole analogy of feeling like you hit is a beehive of buzzing bays as because sometimes during sensory overloid that sport can feel like for someone with autism and I did another rating at the school assembly just just prior to rape hate I sort of got all of the students to imagine these particular things going on in their body and how that would make them feel and the response after this emily was finished was amazing like he had several kids. Say Oh if that was happening to me. I wouldn't be able to sit still law. Oh my God aww acting crazy if if that's how I felt sorry it was just getting them to really kind of identify with what that must feel like and then it sort of normalized the behaviors. We're of course it behind that if you felt this way it's just really creating that sensitivity by getting them to two more sort of try and step inside the body and mind if you like of a person with autism. Do you ever feel like your hades buzzing bees that sort the feeling Nolan. I never felt like that. And how would you describe it or when you're about to have a meltdown. What do you feel like chopping chopping. That's what you call it. Yes like huffing and puffing in nothing. Yes like when I get angry I have I. I have meltdowns when I'm angry. You know that's another purpose that we're trying to explain in the book. Is that when you make a person with autism feel comfortable comfortable. A lot of these behaviors will be minimized thank you is there anything else. Either of you would like to tell me yes that when when you have things like that just like repay. You know it's not something to be embarrassed of. It's to be proud of yourself because Kazaam smart Yes like that well done by the very proud of you yeah. She denied it. That's exactly what we're trying to say is is that having autism and achieving what Oakley has achieved is something very much to be proud of. Yeah Oakley and his mother Kali Metson author of the Children's book meet Repeat Page Judy. What advice would you give people listening. WHO APPEARANCE TO CHILDREN WITH AUTISM? It's Your Life Mike at what you want to be. You might need to make some adaptions but it visual off and most importantly time is of the essence jazz. Keep stepping. Tim s fantastic outwit cold on the road to happiness. This is lies Bateman walking on the right to a big song called happiness and that's what you're GONNA do. Just keep stepping to you on your own happiness. That's the big name isn't it yet is the one that's way hitting. Okay Nice meeting you nice to meet you too. Have a good day. Thank you Lynn by team and Judy Shop. Thanks is to produce it Diane Dean and Sound Engineer Salmon Breadth White. I'm Malka Petchinik time now. love you I'm an joins and if you enjoyed that podcast there are more A._B._C. Science podcasts like mine off track. It's just like David attenborough but fear es Sich off track in the A._B._C. Listen up all wherever you get your podcasts.
Being A Vegan Man with Gaz Oakley
"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one production available on Apple podcasts. And podcast one podcast. One percents up kitchen podcast. The show that is does food politics and pop culture all trying to give a fuck and now for your host. Michelle Davis and Matt Holloway. Welcome to forked up appear Goto podcasts. Ralph things lentils liable and legislative stalemate. I'm Michelle Davis and Matt Holloway. Today we're talking. Ancient ancient energy drinks. How Kito might actually kill you and why you drug dealer doesn't take credit cards wondering well we're going to get into it? We're also joined joined by CHEF youtuber. Gaz Oakley to talk about how he learned swear and his new book plants only kitchen stay tuned JAL. It's about to get forked up. Sharpen those knives. Its fourth step. Doug Kitchen podcast. What's up mother fuckers? How is everybody doing Michelle? How you doing? I'm doing good. There are Hanging in there. I'm not getting a flu like all the rest of y'all weak ass mother fuckers. Whatever you haven't gotten it yet anyways what's up we'll have we don't have any housekeeping buyer book and Evergreen Housekeeping Book Surfer Sale? Then if you need a president or you like yourself fuck it so something. I've been wanting to talk about on the pod. Ed Or is you know because this is the time of year where everyone so much more like so which holier than thou healthiest time of everyone just like I'm only fucking drinking wheat grass and eating blueberries Hydros Dayrit Lemons. Yeah as great heels on so I thought that we would talk about the grossest foods that we like to eat. Oh Hell Ya okay. I'm Let's do this every day. I'm just saying this is some shit some of the gross s shit that we eat. Let's get real all right. I'll start last night for dinner. I had a boxer Mike and that is gross. Yeah I didn't even know you like Mike and Thanks Shit in your pantry. Someone else on okay. So first of all it was a stocking stuffer. I didn't go out and buy them. But they Brian Ryan but they are delicious and they are Vegan and maybe I was a little high May. Maybe I didn't have all groceries. I need to put together. So maybe I had high fructose Corn Syrup. It's awesome wine for dinner sometimes. That's okay love yourself and you're like you know what I could make a lovely soup if I just had accelerate knows salary fuck Mike Line. I'm really not looks like every time I do. It's I've rarely consumed high-fructose Corn Syrup but every time time I do like my skin breaks I was just GonNa say like waiting for the first pimple have read mine I was like well. I'll see you in two days down my fucking Chin in 'cause Oh but in the in the moment Box Mike and Mike and Mike dinner discuss with some one. Okay hit me with your crap. I mean I fucking Love Red Vines. Since I was a kid I was I'm disgusting. When was the last time you had red vines Christmas Christmas? Okay Yeah if you're GONNA be like six months. Nah I was hanging out with me dude and his friends. They rented a house for the holidays. And we're up in the snow. And and somebody container bought a fucking container a red vines and I was like Oh man if I can keep myself from eating one. I'll be good but as soon as I pop that. Seal on my I just shovel them in disgusting tying them and not read the next day. And you're like is there no end to my humiliation. Oh I grew up like a block and a half from seven eleven and I used to go down there and fucking know this. I knew exactly what seven eleven target. Yeah I used to eat. I'd go by Red Vines and I wasn't home because I had braces and a comeback and it'd be like my mom's like you go to seven eleven. What are you talking? Yeah but I would say like one of the growth is foods that I'm like kind of ashamed that I like is I like Pineapple Eh my pizza but I like pine up and Black Olives to let me stop you right there. Shame should never enter the equation. Embrace it yeah. But I if you're ashamed. You're you're embedding. It doesn't stop me but I just know I call it in my brain when I ordered I call it a Bumblebee Pizza. As Blackie the pizza and is fucking delicious and I would never put in a cookbook or use any kind of recipes. Okay since we're talking about block all all those. Yeah this is very controversial especially in Texas tacos. Now Okay thank you thank you now and I love black. I know someone who listens to his podcast. It puts block all the TACOS and his blasphemy. Okay but I bet it looks like it's fucking store-bought hired TACO. Shell she says she. I'm not done fucking ground beef with like a poor envelope of Taco seasoning maximum than. It's fucking enshrouded. Cheddar cheese then is iceberg lettuce. Then it's fucking sour cream and black olives on top and they're like I'm a chef and I'm like you're White Matt. Let's go with that so it's GonNa say she issues. I know that this is like a generic white girl Taco. Yeah she owns it and she's like I don't know why the olives in it when I saw that I was like that's disgusting. We are not friends and also. Can you bring in someone listening to your Parkin. She's band you're paying your blocked. You can't listen. You can't listen to the food jokes anymore. That's funny anybody. I know if there's any pineapple lovers out there who like it on their pizzas secretly fucking throw some black on their hit it with some hot sauce and tell hey girl about it later. We'll fuck it. Let's get into. It is now time for this week in food history this serious gourmet suit. Modern men and women apparently do not have a monopoly on being tired. And we've been looking team for ways to stay awake and quench our thirsts since forever. Okay so enter Polska poster post ochre. This is an ancient ancient energy drink which had never heard about until I started trying to find stuff to talk about this week. I think I think surge was an ancient energy drink to my God. It had had a what was the thing. Everybody was afraid of the yellow five or whatever I don't know there was an ingredient in surge side died now one time me and a girlfriend like drank a six pack of surge. Together like a sleepover and then we were like. We're like real horny. Thirteen year olds and we were talking in all this mad trash that we didn't know anything about you know and it was right here in airmen. That went right to our parents room house for another a year. I was not sexually active but I knew words strung together in a sentence that I thought made sense. It was like issue like sand. I WanNa see appears but serge aside. Tell me what is post post guy. So it's a mix of vinegar her salt water and herbs that originated in Greece. But it's the Roman army that actually made it famous curse so basically everybody wanted to drink wine right. But you can't drink wine all the time you're GONNA be fucked up on the battle. Yeah so this was a way to use up wine that they'd capture on too long. I e Red Wine Vinegar Mhm and then thin it out with water so it stretches farther and then they made it tastes good and that's why they served it to the army as early as the middle of the Roman Republic era so like around like five hundred. BC The military ration post guy to all of their troops along with grains and very occasionally occasionally meat and cheese so basically. I don't want to say the Roman army was Vegan. Were mostly they were definitely flexible. And that policy in the military rations considered are a continued for centuries well into the rise of the Roman Empire. And they're taking over over of the whole Western Hemisphere in just fucking throwing back Red Bulls. Oh yeah so they drink it by the barrel fall and it was said to give the military it's legendary Stamina Anna inefficiency drink's acidity and slight alcohol content would have lessened the bacteria content. which made it safer in these ancient times drinking straight water? Oh that's weird. Yeah because tainted water would take out whole army and whole cities alike so having this light slightly more acidic content would kill some of that harmful bacteria and keep the soldier safe makes sense. Yeah and in addition to that Vinegar with thought to stave off scurvy which would take out whole armies too and. You might be own stupid everybody news. It's vitamin C.. Nobody knew it was vitamin C. Not Not then Eh. US Army actually rationed apple cider vinegar to troops in the Mexican war when they were stationed on the southwest border because this was Bike confirmed scientific facts. That vinegar helped cure scurvy well into the eighteen hundreds so the Romans had been doing it since forever so we we were just biding their style with our apple cider vinegar so among soldiers and common folk post get continued to be enjoyed well into the Middle Ages so so would you drink something like this. I would try it. Yeah but like. I don't really the only caffeine consumers that coffee but I do love the idea of like like if you were to airdrop on the troops right now just by fucking red bull monster energy drink for all the that for all the truth. This is like almost like a flat can buca right. Yeah because it's a vinegary lot of the same ingredients slightly alcoholic collegue. It has some early taste to it in salt. which is good to have in your water if you're getting dehydrated if you're marching like a thousand miles in the military? I just thought this was so interesting. I would have thought that they were just drinking water. And I feel like maybe like a military presence and energy drinks kind of go hand in hand because I will say mhm they like when I drive around Los Angeles especially Texas when you see PICCO that has a US army or the Marines stickers that there's there's there's a monster energy logo pretty close yeah. The hardworking men and women got to stay alert got fire on all cylinders forever in that way for fruits or vegetables onto the planet. Welcome home get ready for the the last month. Federal regulators issued new roles clarifying the banking institutions are no longer required to report its customers for any hip commerce this applies to him. Farmers processors and businesses. So I know most the time that I do total recalls you product or something where recalling legislation flation it works included two stages all allowance. Stay with me so those that live in a place where we still illegal the thoughts and prayers to you but for the rest of us. 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Unfortunately those racist tropes and fear mongering stuck with America for decades until pretty recently when the Obama administration out individual states to focus on marijuana legislation themselves elves and instead instructed Federal Drug Enforcement Agents to focus on other controlled substances like opioids which killed over one hundred and thirty Americans every single single day. There are zero deaths linked to marijuana use so predictably almost all the the cool states. That's it was on my word not only begin decriminalizing but legalizing recreational use of him products like the flash forward to today a CBD infused items like food beverages hygiene products have spiked in popularity beyond anyone's predictions. The Federal Reserve just release a three page paper reiterating reading that in accordance with the two thousand eighteen farm bill hip is not a highly controlled. 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THC Base so now your head shop will continue to be cash or debit only hip and CD farmers for Joyce you are no longer cash. Only based businesses. They want your tax money. USDA has just proved rules for three states as well as three American tribes and Pinning White House approval the USDA is reviewing rules for an additional eleven states. Well I've got some News for everybody. Who is you know? We're a little into January. Now a reexamining our New Year's resolutions to couple weeks since we all promise that we were going to do something. What about our lives? Whatever that is which by the way I was house you news resolution going? It's going pretty good. Good yeah working out okay. I'm doing that thing I'm doing. I'm doing a charity event this Saturday so so trying to commit trying to keep all working out but I hope your New Year's resolution wasn't to go kito because it has it's just been ranked as the unhealthiest Diet so the second year in a row will was not great. If you're thinking about giving up already fucking do it man. Mike in Recent raking of the best and worst diets by the US news and World report the key to genetic diet was ranked number one the very worst out of thirty five diets by panel of health experts to a top rated diet. It had to be relatively easy to follow nutritious safe and effective for weight loss and preventative. Diabetes and heart disease is dead last Kito failed on all fronts so he did all right right on short term weight loss. Well but that's not that's short term in the co- The cost plus all the way to death uh-huh okay if this is so terrible for you. Why do we hear about it all the time from every single person who's trying to do some dumb magic shit to Wayne Wayne doing pretty good pretty for three days quote any diet? That's trendy promises to make you lose weight. It quickly and look fit will get people's attention and so that's why we hear about it. According to registered Dietitian Shanna Zied Debbie quote personal. Testimonials of success continued to flood the Internet. But this doesn't equate to reliable and trustworthy scientific evidence. You might be like okay. Well it's getting too late but I don't know what Kito Wiz and we're free to ask now. I truly don't know Akito okay. So basically is what high fat low carbs and it's supposed descend the body into a state of ketosis hence the name Hito okay. So you're just eating fucking fat and no CARBS ochre okay. So it's Atkins by a different for name and once they're your state of Ketosis your body's supposed to burn fat instead of sugar for Energy and so that's why it's still like eat away at your body fat instead of running on on like insulin and the sugars in your body advocates claim that the Diet promotes amazing weight loss benefits and boost your energy but health professionals warned warn that it's many potential negative effects outweigh any of its positive. Your existing. Imagine if if you just consuming high fat yeah. There's there's a that's exactly right. Most importantly the high fat is the biggest concern. Because this is the cornerstone of the Diet. Doctors warn anybody with diabetes kidney disease or heart disease should not follow this diet. And if you're on the path to any of those things that means you choose if you have high cholesterol if you have heart disease that runs in your family of of your undiagnosed type two diabetes or your pre diabetic. Any of those things. Don't do Kito GonNa fuck you up. And they agree that cutting carbs will help most people. We'll lose weight in the short term. And that's why Kito has some weight loss success as because people are cutting out a lot of the Karbi junk food that they eat but that the effects are not super dramatic. There are not long lasting. So your body's going to even out what's the science behind this while there's hardly any only proven clinical study for Kito to the any effectiveness was in children with epilepsy. It helped reduce their seizures interesting. That's the only scientific proven benefit. Ah The KETO Diet. It didn't make the kids shredded. No they didn't. They didn't get super hot little little kids with instagram accounts. Talking to T- Sophie's and talking about their Kyodo Now reduce their seizures and made them super constipated due to the lack of fiber channels. Yeah you just pure fat diet. Yeah so they're just trying to shit out butter not working but they're not having seizures. So that's great. There have been no other large. Scale studies with conclusive evidence supporting Akito Diet on the claims are either from like sample groups of like ten people or it's all just anecdotal Yeah Yeah So. Are you looking for a way to wait. I got I got some tips Cook Mart home. Eat more veggies. Eat less processed food patrol portions drink water and work out a little. And you'll do you. You literally know that you know all those things you do. Maybe one of them sometimes like I'm trying to. I'm trying to lose weight. I'm trying to turn my life around. You know the things you gotta do. You know any doctor will tell you. Yeah but it's it's not sexy. Kita sound sexy. Yeah you can't Hashtag AG- Kirk more at home normal shit fucking fixing your diet like there's there is. There's no buzz word. That's GonNa get you to where you WANNA be. Yeah here we are speaking of cooking more at home this week. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced a proposal to ban polystyrene or or more commonly known as Styrofoam is ban would apply cops takeout containers an packing peanuts. fucking hate those packing peanuts packing peanuts or mean. Don't you ever ships on what packing peanuts are putting glitter you monster. This is expected to mostly impact paired food services like restaurants food trucks Delis grocery stores things like that. The first violation will be two hundred fifty dollar fine and with Pete violations can cost up to two thousand isn't dollars per violation kind of new. Yes Oh Styrofoam gained commercial popularity in the nineteen eighties because it was lightweight but it was sturdy sturdy and it was used in everything from takeout containers surfboards. I actually have a foam board. And it's fantastic. I'll say you're killing by surfing it. STRENU- Ocean Bra on the Styrofoam Cup is actively taking star phone into the the SHRUB is brought back to food restaurants and other food services like styrofoam not only because of pains heat and cold temperatures. Well but because it's also incredibly cheap. It's not released secret. The styrofoams terrible for the environment airmont and this became president in the public eye in the late eighties and early nineties because doesn't break down and it will sit in landfills for hundreds of years and it crumbles into microparticles pollute notches soil but our water systems and oceans. Yeah I mean so you're saying we knew this thirty years ago when we're relying we're just now getting around been real busy. Poly Styrene is also a petroleum product which increases its environmental impact. Panos sheds a petroleum product. And there are over two hundred cities that have banned Styrofoam including Los Angeles San Francisco New York City in Minneapolis. Minneapolis obscene it here. So it's not really main in Vermont. Expected follow New York State Wide Band next couple for years. We just got a text people that live in there fucking state. We're not doing styrofoam anymore. They're legislation is going to be like same assigned. Signed New Jersey of all places has probably the most ambitious proposal to ban Styrofoam but all single use. Plastic just is trying to avert attention from their cousin. Fucking you I in New Jersey or the train the family members man. You'RE GONNA get some hate mail from New Jersey. Oh please alternative. Star phone include paper or molded fiber products molded fiber products are byproduct sugarcane and they both their ability to biodegrade but these typically costs anywhere from two to three times as much traditional styrofoam. It's also worth noting that compose. We'll molded fiber products. Also contain poly floral alkyl substances or PF as you're talking about like the cardboard colored like like takeout containers clam show these are floor. Needed compound chemicals that the fibers treated with and they have no known half-life meaning the chemicals themselves do do not biodegrade. Well it it. They put that on there so that the liquids don't leak through it's basically like Scotchgard exactly yeah. Watchdogs are concerned that these fiber containers has championed by fast casual restaurants sweet green or two polling name. Dropping names aren't actually biodegradable. As much as these companies tout them to to be grand. Peasley a chemist from Notre Dame tested fiber takeout containers from fourteen locations in eight different restaurants in all the samples tested very very high levels of Florin. I mean like you were saying if you think about the container that your food comes in is able to hold any food whether it's like like straight off the grill hot cold wet is not gonNA spill. It's not going to warp. Course that she's going to be dangerous for the environment. It is Scotchgard Philly. And you're putting your food on that. So what is solutions. And I just keep thinking about that scene in the wedding singer where the old lady wants to pay him for the piano singing lessons and then she just puts them meatballs in his hands. No as you go there and be like put my Burrito right here. Put the shot of sauce on top of all fucking animal. I mean mindy. Fake restaurants are going to start to do that. I mean honestly Josh Cook more at home. Yeah I you can't most restaurants won't pack it in a container you bring. Because they they can't bring the heat side containers into their kids. Safety thing like food safety violations which makes total sense but then I think the solution is to go back back to Waxed paper NUFF Cher- you know a lot of them and you used to be able to buy sandwiches bike before their plastic bags shrink wrap and stuff it was just wrapped in waxed paper and like tied with twine. Like we're going to have to go back to more things like that. Like they used to sell milk not obviously in all glass containers. 'cause I was is really expensive. It was a waxed paper box We could go back to that shit and not have it be a plastic compound that it's a plant based wax though bullshit when we were growing up the house. Did I mean I. It's when we moved into. The neighborhood was rough and our next door neighbor. I mean the house was fucking should have been condemned undimmed. The woman that was living there had all these empty milk jugs inside a house in between our fence in her house and it probably went for like thirty thirty five yards arts okay long stack high to the fence as one person at a lot of milk and that's a lot of crazy. That's a lot of milk. I had questions I will fuck milk right. Yeah do you doesn't like milk yeah she. It doesn't like milk. Is Our guest as you guys know him from instagram. You know him from Youtube. You know the covers book. It's been on the charts for years and we are so thaddeus talk with them so stay tuned. 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I'm not here for a couple of weeks but you've been bouncing around now. I didn't expect to be wearing my winter. Jacket hid and sat about that. Well you know. Give it a week. It'll it'll fluctuate first things first. Let's talk about what's what's on everybody's mind what's going on here. What's going on over there? I'm the worst person passes from England underway Taylor. I'm sure as whilst we just don't take as much about honestly do see stuff on twitter and I feel so they can terrible sticking the media on his so connotations around all is just is with making that can anybody share. She's a goddess. Just leave invest. We had okay like some conservative pundit. Who tweeted out? He was like this is the emasculation of his his military like photos of him serving in the military to like him being married. I was like Fellas Gate of Mary. Women love what is your fucking narrative late hours like okay. Let's bitch happily married man. What the fuck those beautiful women in the world? We absolutely like come On anyway it's just so funny. Everyone's losing their minds yet. You were mean so they don't want to hang out. That's how shit works like we tails anyway so like people who are not familiar with you. Get a quick rundown how you went from like you're cooking in kitchens before four fifteen. Yeah Super Young. And how did you go from that to getting multiple. Multiple book deals while on dirty. I've I've been loving I've loved. I've loved cooking since I was eight years old. When I start with my dad got my first shift of fifteen words? Ron Some of the best restaurants in my hometown of Cardiff went Vegan. For years ago after watching one video maybe go vegan overnight. What was it as speech by Gary Morowski or not you a lot of people get it that way? Normally sometimes like slaughterhouse video and I was like I've heard a lot of from Gary's speech powerful I've slowed right down now. I start off really fast. It's going to be more than ten seconds. I yes so. I started posting my recipes on instagram. Because my a friend were encouraging me to because the time for years ago all I was really seeing with smoothie bowls and salads and just started posting my food inspired by the cooking skills that I had from the press kitchens and before I knew had all these people follow me from around the world asking me for the recipes. Never been on camera before I'm quite shy quite softly spoken but I thought I have to show people how to make these recipes to help people transition and how people cut down on the meeting tate. And that's how you you started. How did how did you get into cooking such a young age? My Dad really great great home cook had hundreds of cookbooks had cooking shows on TV all the time. It's just like his sport and cooking. That's grown up. There's worse things exactly why I wanted to play professional rugby MHM as every whilst kid does. Unfortunately I stop growing as an agent. Everyone just went massive as what happens so I can play. Rugby will be the next thing was to follow next passion which was cooking. And that's why I went into the kitchens of fifteen and then you knew you wanted like after you so you were still working in kitchens is when you got the first book deal. Nah actually yes. pity along with so having gotten into the kitchen. Young Age straightened eighty hour weeks after four. Move five years of doing it. I was burnt out. I wasn't eating right. I wasn't sleeping wasn't exercising. Just wasn't looking to myself and in that environment During those hours without all that pressure on you need to be taken care of yourself and I wasn't. I didn't really know how to add those young young age ageism so I took a few years out. The industry went Vegan. And then I rediscovered my passion for cooking. I knew I'd always go back into cocaine one day but I didn't know it be through Vegan. I never thought I'd go Vegan meet. I Love I. Love cooking. Traditionally is such a shock but obviously on so happy. I did not welcome to the dark side when when I when I first found you I think it was. It was a few years ago. I think it was between sixteen year. Set up one or two plants like your kitchen. It was like it was real subtle and like now how feels like there's a whole jungle in their long story to watch one video with the beginning of it. You start with one or two plants. Such is a recipe chicken recipe but didn't plant every time. It cuts a wide shot. Take a very good idea. She's funny where my crew come over to film and I'm like what's such a plan. Careful babies over the top now and I needed tone it down the alive. It looks can claim to tell you the truth. I was rent shoes to feel more videos. It was so expensive zero and this one student that we feel that it was beautiful. It had those few plants and then when I found a property to live in and where I could feel my videos as well it was rundown kitchen. It did have some old tiles on the wall. So I basically just thought what we're GONNA do. Just cover all in indoor plants. And that's why I look like cooking looking in a jungle. Cheaper than remodeling is very much part of your brain. I guess I guess because I can see like a photo like without you in it and I'm like oh I know that you're like just us off the talk you know. How have you even in the four years? You've been Vegan. Like how have you seen the scene change like from when you came out to like now. People are are very honestly. Your book is trail-blazing on his encourage so many the people to go vegan off the back of that. I think I guess you call it. Influences in the in the scene have played a vital role in these big commercial mersal companies now take an interest in Vegan food. Incredible it's crazy you sit it's everywhere especially in La. We're driving around today. We're seeing signs of a Vegan stuff everywhere and it's like in London is like that in every major city. I'll go to and just when I first began four years ago. Going into like a starbucks. Six in trying to get something to eat was just people. Dave Word Vegan invasion. I mean even last summer. I was in in Greece and in the Athens airport. They had vegan croissants labeled Vegan and I was like what what the fuck is going on like. I've been Vegan. I sixteen almost seventeen years and like let me tell you about the dark days trying to get in like a struggle digman. No Oh my God. Even but I mean the growth has been exponential in the last four years like even from when our books came out in two thousand fourteen to now. I mean it's incredible like kind of food and the like how comfortable people are looking at a book like. Oh I can do that. Even if they're not Vegan is amazing thing whereas for me. It's about making recipes that just tastes good. Yeah I don't know but if you try food you're going to enjoy it. Yeah that's that's always. The very first and foremost is like those taste. Good people don't WanNa feel like they're giving anything All right so it's like if it tastes good and it happens to be Vegan Great. I'm going to pat myself on the fucking back. Ah Is there one dish that you made early in your veganism that you're like Oh fuck yes like I. Nail all day experiments is experimenting with Satan. An have never cooked with it before that was blowing my mind and I was like the possibilities are endless with this product. I can do anything with it in your first. Oh fucking ribs. Chicken looks like meet the texture. And if you get if you get the right flavors in your blows them away and they won't. Even there are no getting question. Diligence give me more you being over in the UK and like come into America. Do you notice any major differences and sort of like Vegan Culture Vegan. Food good question. I think if we talk about L. A. Because that's like a country on its own shake you consider in the of diversity of restaurants you know in the in the in London for example. There's a lot of fast food restaurants and often you're sitting out in the Colin. Take out such shame and I think the restaurant as in the side the size of restaurants a lot smaller the money behind all of Vegan restaurants smaller up in La. The money's bigger get bigger restaurants. Everything's bigger in America in general. So I think you Kinda homing taxes went to Austin the love. I mean you can go to a restaurant in L. A. and sit down for a couple of hours in proper dine. That's what I WANNA do when a Russian of my own so there's is definitely a difference. I think is more established here. Sure I think everyone else is playing catch up. Is that the next logical step. Now I mean coming from your cooking back and you've had two very successful books and your third one drops April is restaurant. You're next target. Yeah it feels like what makes a zen off awesome we put you on the spot stike. Ibrahim of my business partner is actually moving fashionable. I thought but I originally said that when I reach one million subscribers describe on instagram all announced where it will be okay Madera. You're like four hundred. Some of I'm on ninety nine hundred K.. God is so you've got so much faster than I thought a non of shifts get seven going but actually in the last two weeks things have happened. I'm I'm like Whoa. This is GonNa Happen New you man. I know twenty twenty coming up me so I don't really. I don't know how much I can say. But the restaurant Sean is being a dream of mine since I was a little kid. I JUST WANNA feed people I WanNa create incredible dining experience whether you're vegan. Not You're going to enjoy and you're going to be be entertained. Because I think that's what fuel about it's about entertain whether the The server comes round and cavs something in front of you or this flames going on in front of you you I know I just WanNa create something really exciting for for people so I I feel like that gets lost time in the kind of modern restaurant experience. It's like no you're asking people to spend their money. You know they could. They could eat at home. They could save their money and it's expensive to go out. So what are you giving people. And you're going to give them a show and handful Bali and stories to tell lots of plants through these volumes. Poison I five year plan. Boy I am I have my apartment. Looks like kitchen fucking plan. Isn't it just clean the F- You just make sure mine is kind of. I think I've talked about this. I think it was somebody else's park. Yes I started getting implants when I was a younger. I was struggling with depression. And self harm so what I would do like nights were horrible for me so I would. The hardware store would be open 'til like midnight right so if I was yeah when I was struggling and I said I'm really bad night is I would go to like the ED nursery part of the hardware store and I would walk around and I would find plants that I didn't like know anything about pull my phone out. Look all this information on him. You know are the fragrant flower. How do they grow? Do they like sun humidity stuff like that an over by that plan and I'd take it home. Well I can't kill myself now because WHO's GonNa take care of this fucking plan my whole fucking. Yeah so now like my apartment and like my friends who know that like family. That knows that about me now like when they come over and there's just like a jungle in my apartment Armenta like due to you. Okay this this is the static. We'd plan just I. I've got a couple of ladies. You do real connection with the way twenty five days on this trip. I'm sending people. Hello timer take care of him and you got the French. Check it up on the wrong here on time Why leave town? I feel crazy. Just stick your finger on the top of the soil moisture plan. I'll tell you fitness one. It back to the bucks so people don't seem to understand like how much labor goes into writing these cookbooks and you're doing them back to back to back. which which is exhausting? We now g you like help take all the photos are you food styling to or you just like grinded out in the kitchen and writing all the copy and all that Stephanie. A heart process or a release to in a year which was ridiculous but there was just a demand for being Christmas recipe. So that's why I put the Christmas Put together almost last minute Because obviously the first book that took a year to write and once that came out I was able to focus my attention the Christmas one so they came out in the same year but they wouldn't written in the same year and I said to myself I'm not I'm not writing a book for five. Years is where we've said that so many I mean. Just keep writing them. And I don't know why it's so much work and Dolan stands. I I feel the one thing I'm good at in life I feel as it's just making food and making raspy so things will come into my constant. I was so excited yesterday on the plane coming here. Like I'm not my phone and I just start again all these ideas in my head over the last two weeks I haven't written down so I'm constantly Ri- recipes and that's the reason why decided to make a new book and in terms of the the putting the book together I'm so into its fee on so into styling. I've got so much my personality across through my foods so I cook install everything in the in the book otherwise I just wouldn't feel like it was. It was me. Ah Beautiful thank you. The work you've done is its forced art. But when you do it yourself I do think like you're saying it does help people get a sense sense of you and there's just a natural consistency that comes out that way so it's not like when people like oh it. That photo doesn't look like it's your brand. It's like well yes somebody else shot. But this it all your books and your instagram and everything. It's like like Matt was saying like when we see a shot of food. We know that it's I mean that's fucking can top branding instagram handle. I just know that. That's like your brand for Mia. She's just now. I'm big dog. altro around the woods and collect plates bowls and then they just parts of my brandon. You'll know it that play must be guys and yeah it's crazy I try and keep. Oh spare room my suitcase in my place in boys and enough clothing so they make it home to the UK. I do the same shit and then finally like if we're on book tour Morton like halfway through mountlake you. You're not allowed to go into anymore like there's no more like like you're saying only you're traveling all over the US right now and it's what an opportunity to try more food to be further inspired. I just get all those wheels turning. Have you had any amazing meals. I also WANNA shout out while you've been here in a while I mean to me you never stop learning. Yeah we cooking especially this. So much of the new so many coaches so many eight people do things different ways in awe never stop learning thus the furnace apartments so And I was in the kitchens. What feels like a dip in the ocean in comparison to experience chef? So I've got so much to take on and I don't want to go back into those eighty hour weeks in kitchens until it's my own restaurant so for now the best thing for me to do is travel and just soak up knowledge from Different Cultures and wherever. I'm in the woods so you got you got some great food in America. The best meal I've ever had Vegan meal I've had in America was in Portland and I'm I'm going to be really bad except forgot the name of the restaurant but it was Japanese. Will we'll have to let you guys. You can put some looking amazing the shame for a day but in that one day I was out of the whole book told I was on the best meal. I had You go to. They have empty lots where just park like food trucks. Go to any of those. There's there's one that's like all the Vegan or they have what they're called homegrown smoker where it's all smoked like Vegan mead and then they do it in a Burrito Burrito with Mac and cheese and then this meat and barbecue sauce so we were only never a couple of days to you and I was like I can't fit into my tour much packed host on your fucking shit smoking favor. Renault your clothes. Oh I mean yeah delicious like a fucking disaster. I hadn't had like coming from Texas like a group barbecue like so Vegan. You Barbecue is kind of few and far between and then it has to be good Vegan Barbecue. You know I've had bad being barbecue but like no that there was like that shit tastes like home. You know you have so much of a social media presence whether it's youtube or instagram late and you are shy and soft spoken. Like how do you balance balance you know wanting to get your message out there and all your beautiful food and sharing your creativity with everybody and kind of your impulse to keep things private because they do notice. You don't talk talk too much about your. You know your private life and all that stuff like how do you make that balance. Because I knew your audience feels so connected with you and they interact so so much with you. So you've done such a beautiful job of creating that balanced but I'm just wondering how you construct it. I think the more I'm doing this the more. I'm realizing that not only is cooking my passion but it's just creativity on artem put in videos together for example is a form of art and I love thinking about the process and then getting together with my amazing crew. Who are here today? You gotTA help an entourage. Uh Boys got the crave done Tom. We got another creative done. Marcus on my mate Joe. Who's just flew over to surprise? You actually helps helps me in the kitchen. All the time is amazing team and I just think that if you surround yourself with people who also your friends. It's just never feels like work. I so proud to put out the work that we're working on and unless all is so in terms of nopd too much my south out there. I don't think about it when I've I've got when we've made something that was so proud of just put out just the best feeling so yeah I guess I don't. I'm not too personal when it comes to lots of instagram stories. That too much but again. It's just about putting my art. I want people to see it. Yeah I want I want to show shut up. VEGANISM is cool. I think already call now so I have to do too much more but I just I just want to show that you can just leave it. Lead a normal life and have fun on a Vegan lifestyle. I do have one question about so your first two books. You had Vegan the title and the third book is plants. Only Kitsch. Yes what was that. A creative conversation with publisher that you were going to drop Vegan begin or just changing it to the more common parlance or just. That's just what you creatively came up with and there was no plan a huge amount of plan. But you gosh little plants in your kitchen definitely part of it. I think I just wanted to the first couple of do what it says on the Tin Vegan one hundred hundred recipes vegan one hundred being Christmas Christmas recipes and implants only kitchen. I think you Kinda uh I think I just want it to be Accessible for everyone on you know whether it's a man walking down the supermarket aisle and sees plants only kitchen simple pump the base recipes that are pro impact for busy people. I think that will just appeal to a lot more people and just make veganism more accessible so I guess there's not a huge amount of thought behind minded funds Sony kitchen appliances more kitchen Sony in the food. You how much this question for. Both y'all because I feel like a lot of love. The faces people associate in the Vegan space or health. Food in general are female face. What is your guys experience like moving through this place? You know as men and I wonder if there's questions that may become up that you think are unique she to your guys experience rather than like I get a lot of questions about weight loss which I don't give a shit about fitness and helping your sports background here in America. The for some reason they're seen gene is when it comes to not just having a plant based diet or vegetarian diet with like cooking in general is kind of seen as a feminine. And I don't know why. Especially when we sort of allies people like Gordon Ramsay or these like you know. There's so many countless male chefs that have their own. TV shows and things like that but but like most men here in America. Don't Cook if they do cook. It's usually like just throwing some meat on a fucking grill. I think this is like that's the one thing that they can do. Have you got have you gotten like has that colored. Your experience at all are one hundred center. I think when I was in the rugby team growing up and I'd say even the teacher teach you wants to said that they asked me what subjects especially subject. I was choosing a certain age. I think it's like food license on doing cooking. The teacher sat in front of all my my my rugby team doing that. That's good yeah that's worked through a kid. Yeah so chuck it now. Three bucks later. uh-huh Jim Coach is funny. So my head actually. That kind of thing was always there. And when I went into the freshman kitchens chins surrounded by Manley. Mayo's that have been around the block They are rough tough. Those guys in the kitchen motherfucker on. I grew up in the first week when I was fifteen. Sixteen in these kitchens learn how to swear in the first week some of the most Detroit. You love that saying ah it is but how does it change though like becoming Vegan so even then and whilst those in indications always embarrassed that was the chef is weird and even actually say up until the last couple of years I was still be ambassador especially a Vegan chef because people think is the most manly thing here. There's a stigma that comes with it but now I am so proud chef when you cook for someone on the they tell us the best meal they've ever had blown away you are. The man is a matter. What what you do very very high high is the best the think on its to skip cooking is my life in everything? Everything I know is my passion and I'm so proud hard to do. It's my art. Shows all honestly. Yeah I've even you know we get so tired sometimes of just looking at food uh-huh born but it's nice to meet somebody who's so passionate because you know it helps reignite our passion for the same stuff and I think that's what you're doing for people through youtube and your instagram is like. Oh yeah like I you know. I was so in love of my grandmother's spaghetti sauce that she used to make. Why don't I feel that way about everything I e like? Why don't I care any like like sort of exchanges with your audience like we had somebody whose father was in the hospital and then when he got out started cooking like our food amazing stories from people the people reach out to you? And you're like you know you're like US super proud but you just like this is weird that I'd never thought. Oh that's something that come. What feels quite naturally to me would be to helps people so much unchanged people's lives and the planet and the People's House and the animals like recipes that were able to create a helping so many things and it's not just cooking is great? Yes I feel I feel. I'm on a mission here. You're so lucky I'm able to do. It is very grateful. Yeah Yeah I'm sure the last last five years have been a whirlwind. He's going to get even him coming in. Hot Ready to relocate ready to you were going. I can say that yet. I mean his could be could be could be anywhere should be outside could be anywhere. Well so my what I'm going to say probably more than likely some West Sunny out whilst we see on these three. It's we will buy shoes. Yeah awesome plenty of vegans. Love to go to places that is like all the amenities but there's a lot of restaurants that they just have vegan options but they don't get a lot of love because it's not Vegan and it's just like like one of our favorites places fucking hole in the wall like Mexican restaurant that has two parking spaces phenomenal phenomenal. I find being coming from professional. Cooking background is the fact that when you've got those skills to cook everything you're able to translate those skills so while intervene giving cookies so we'll get the best food that we when my traveling around from known Vegan Restaurant because they know how to season there and they unfortunately a a home cooked decided are can make a good spirit bottomley's Vegan. I'm GONNA Open Russian. Yeah let me find out. Tell me about Oh man fluent you decision. I'm just saying we have some of the best goddamn produce on the planet Earth Year Los Angeles. When do you have time to check out the farmers markets? While you're here we're going to be doing cooking so we plans the way this good. We plan on doing a big beach. cookout on Malibu today to Tuesday okay so tomorrow there's one Santa Monica. This really really good. The Wednesday morning farmers market in Santa Monica is one of the best ones in southern California. You guys got to be blown away. It's like it's like world-famous yeah it's incredible this tune in these fruits and vegetables just into worse south tomato here would taste a thousand times better than tomorrow in the UK. Oh yes he didn't know how lucky you are. We know every day you can come in from Houston. I know California born and raised so I now house about that. I'm not gonNA apologize having good taste in places like I don't know I feel like I can fuck and talk to you forever. I'm super stoked on everything that you do. And congratulations on the new book. Thank you thank you have passionate people. All who are just trying to get their creativity and their vision out there for people is feel super privileged to be on this polka forefront of this the books have done incredibly while all over the world I see them in supermarkets for us. I trust me. I really like that you you from a from the very stop. You haven't just thought about that. One particular vegan niche mock. Utha about everyone sure. Sure the people that are will be inclined to pick your books are the Manley Ismael is out there who like them meeting your food meat. Meet heavy foods and you give them. The option is not the best because so someone could have told you that much. Our the people are always surprised that there's the girl involved we we don't really talk about like our personalized like I think a lot of people where they think the Michelle dating it was like we fucking broke up before I ever our brother and sister. And that's fucking weird one hundred percent strong Irish and both. Well thank you so much. I appreciate your kind words and food. Hits it for you anytime. I'll eat you under the table. Ed thanks so much. Thank you so much. y'All that is our show this week. We'd like to take a moment to thank our sponsors. Bring his podcast. You free every weakest In her brand new book fuck no available everywhere now please go and support them because they support us as always always. We'd like to thank Frank Federa for our theme music. Today's sample was actually played on all root vegetables in honor of Gaza's presence here because like you know what I'm GonNa play this on that flutie noise you heard that was a parsnips carved by hand escalating Franks his performances every week. I'm not doing it. He's doing this on his own way to perform a Carnegie Hall it with the ICICLES and the vegetables symbols. Because I feel like that would be cosmic. You'd have to have an orchestra. Oh He is an orchestra. He's a one man band is fucking. Dick Van Dyke and Mary poppins just fucking Bang Bang. 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"The old man in the attic episode fifty one. We'll go into the glasses because I want to get this lead right the. Ncaa has alleged level one violations against Louisville for improper recruiting in the two thousand seventeen scandal that led to Rick. Pitino being fired the NCAA has alleged level to violations against Patino for failing. Essentially to monitor is program. I own in New York recently. Hired Rick Pitino. What should I do about Pitino Tony? I don't know about level two and level one. It didn't really matter when I own a decided to hire Rick Pitino. They just didn't decide to hire them. On Tuesday and in higher on Wednesday they had to do some due diligence they had to have investigators look into this because I owners officials would be completely irresponsible if they didn't people can alleged irresponsible for doing anyway fine but they did it so none of this can be a real surprise. People knew this was coming down. The Pike there would be some sort of finding and then punishment and here we are and it can't be a surprise to us so they made their decision already and I like are you going to be critical of them for making it. Would you say oh now they have to rescinded and get rid of Rick. Pitino because I would not. Oh no no. I'm certainly not going to do that. I if I understand this correctly there was a five game suspension laying over Patino headed Louisville. For the you know the stripper scandal. Which is before this scandal. Okay so that may still be out there and I own it if I wanna I say if you give them five we take five and that's fine and other than that. I'm going to wait for you. Give him more if you give him ten if you give him fifteen. I'm okay with that but I'm not gonNA do any more than this and I'll tell you why can people do know this. I'm in the tank for Patino and have been for a long period of time. He got fired. At Louisville he lost millions of dollars at Louisville. He not getting millions of dollars at. I and I think we discussed this. Just go over the bill just briefly on this. He started as a high school basketball player at a Catholic school on Long Island. He coached providence. Which is a Catholic school. He's coaching at Iona. Which is a Catholic school. I think there is contrition here and I think there is forgiveness here. He is a tainted hall of Fame Basketball Coach. I found my own. I'm not giving them any more or less. I'm told to give him more now. I agree with that Tony. Part of me wonders Mrs too cynical. But how long do you think is GonNa be that I own? Somebody's GONNA call right. Some big t one leaked so I don't know if he'll go anywhere from there. I mean this may be the place at his age that he wants to finish it out. I'm Jim Valvano coach. I own I WOULD. Just ask this in a general sense. How can bill self and Bruce Pearl and how were they coaching? How would they still coaching? How does it work his works? Somebody wants them. They can win a lot of games make their school. A lot of money. Still Coaching and go bestial coaching Tony. This next story. I know it's going to make your head explode to some degree in an interview with the New York Post. Charles Oakley says it was Patrick. Ewing's fault the Knicks lost to the Bulls in the nineteen ninety-three Eastern Conference finals. Oakley says too many fadeaways and did not have the drive to match Michael Jordan. Ouch Tony Fair or foul. I know this is a tough one for you because Oh 'cause you boy and Patrick Ewing boy so I almost want to stop talking just so you can answer this. Okay isn't fair or foul. Charles Oakley kills. Patrick Ewing says he has no heart. There's nothing worse than this. He says he has no heart. And then he says that playing against the Bulls the Bulls have Michael Jordan. And we have Patrick Ewing any says it's like golden beyond set concert to see beyond. There's someone else who thinks he's beyond say throwing kicked. It's probably foul. Because it feels like. He's waited twenty years on this to do this but he just destroys. Patrick Ewing you know covered. Patrick Ewing enjoys your sound. I think Patrick Ewing is a great great great great player and he was great in the League. I know he did not win. But there were some people born at the wrong time and didn't beat Michael Jordan and they're Great Stockton Malone Barkley Mullen Ewing. You guys are the Dream Team half of them Tony. This is tough. I'm going to read you one stat. That sort of speaks to a defensive Patrick Ewing and actually this Franken soul. I've talked about this this morning because we were like. Oh my God. We're discount from Tony in the one thousand nine Hundred Ninety Three Eastern Conference finals Michael Jordan had one more basket than Patrick Ewing one and he took forty more shots which speaks to how efficiently Patrick Ewing his speech. I know he's playing closer to the basket. But he's played against a great bulls defense. You know that had built writing Horace Grant and all these guys this is. This is hard to hear if you are a fan of Patrick and I know Charles. Oakley was a tough tough tough guy who both played with Michael Jordan and against Michael Jordan. So so he me. Charles Oakley knows but man I. I thought Patrick played valiantly they just weren't good enough. Neither were Stockton Malone. Neither were Charles. Either. I mean so many guys. Here's the thing. Patrick Ewing did not choke in those playoff. No I didn't think the numbers he gave you in the regular season. But what makes this foul is simply this? Nobody has ever said that. Patrick Ewing was the greatest basketball player. Ever which is what they routinely about Michael Jordan. They don't belong in the same sentence. Now if you think you think that he got killed in. Derek Harper apparently piled on a little bit too. I'm told in this but if you think that that Oakley is killing Patrick Ewing Jordan did the Clyde Drexler. We're looks in the camera. Says this guy. Are you kidding me? Just give me the ball. That's killing somebody. Let me stay lease. Just add this the add this at least they were opponents. Charles and we have Patrick teammates and they got so close they got and none of this talk about block strip block block which was not Patrick. Ewing's fault so all they know Oakley things that was his fault over to batch. Doing should've scored. I'm GonNa stay with Major Bulls in one thousand nine hundred ninety s for little while this Chicago Sun. Times is reporting the Jerry Krause and I know you know that I believe Jerry. Krause did a great job. I think he did his job very well that he wanted to break up the bulls before they went for the last dance before they went for their six championship and their second three peat. He wanted to Trade Scottie. Pippin to the Celtics for the right to draft high schooler Tracy McGrady now Jerry Reinsdorf and Michael Jordan apparently mixed this woman with trading pippen four McGrady. That point have been defensible in your opinion is defensible as you do in his strictly from the view of. I'm a general manager and I am trusted to look forward to the future of the franchise because Scotty was thirty. Two I mean look if you going to replay Scottie Pippen. My God didn't Tracy Mcgrady in terms of style. I knew he was more prolific. Did he play a lot like Scotty? Yes he did. You can see this. But here's why it's indefensible. And Look I say Jerry? Cross was graded building that team to and then Jerry Krause. Is the legitimate justifiable villain. Here's I know he's deceased. I know it's unseemly sometimes. Say How can you pile on Jerry? Krause 'cause they knew what he was doing he was a villain when he was alive to and he earned it. He wanted it. Jerry Krause was a guy who heard the booze and went so now he's getting them and so no it's not defensible because they were winning. Championships was Scotty Pippin. They were not gonNA probably win. It was GONNA be hard to win with a rookie. Don't you agree that Love Tracy Mcgrady? But I'm saying you got Scottie. Pipping he is the to me the most underrated player of his time. Elgin Baylor Scottie. Pippen in terms of underrated. You play with Scotty. Pippin my God. It's indefensible at that time. In the way that drafting Jordan love is indefensible. In this time because doesn't help you right now. Size school kid. You can't win you've got pippen and Jordan from one more year and you obviously ride that out. What is interesting to me is this is the the Tim Duncan is coming out and the Celtics hope that they're going to land. Tim Duncan they get the third pick and the pick in that draft so they get Chauncey billups and they get. Ron Mercer had gotten Scottie Pippen in a trade Rick Pitino might still be there. He might not even being older. Because Scottie Pippen would have helped the celtics in that moment tremendously. But no that's not defensible. Right then Krause's looking down the road when he does that by the way if the had gotten crazy and he kept sean big shot billups. He might not be at iona either. He might have stayed at the Celtics longer. Hetty realize he had a Great Hall of Fame Point Guard on his team. Then he got rid of like in a minute and a half. Yeah Yeah because he knew who wasn't walking in that door as you recall that's backseat. So he did on that on all right. You know people should know by now. The the last story in the block is often about boxing because we are not intimate people were. Boxing is a few days ago of video. In showing fifty-three-year-old Mike Tyson training in a boxing. Ring the main man training him Rafael Cordeiro told. Espn's Ariel Hello Alati. That Tyson has the same speed and power is guys in twenty stone. Cordeiro believes that within six months Tyson would make a comeback and so the question is very direct and simple. Do you want to see Mike Tyson? Back in the ring fighting okay. So full disclosure here. I love my Tyson Mike. Tyson will hold you many times. They single most charismatic athlete. I've ever seen when he walked into the ring in any heavyweight bout. This is insane. I saw this. I saw this clip. He looks like a giant bear. At this point I mean I don't know who's going to allow him to. He's fifty three years old. But if we get past exhibitions said he might WANNA fight. Exhibitions get past exhibitions to a real fight. You asked me what I want to see it. Well of course I wanna see it just like you. WanNa see it. Of course I want to see the. He did an interview on the Internet. And he's smoking a cigarette in the interview. So is he training really when I saw this film a couple of days ago? This video clip. The first thing I thought was how long until we get to the story of Mike. Tyson Comeback Tony. Things exciting in forty years of covering sports in person there are. There's nothing as exciting as having been at ringside for Mike Tyson. But do I want to see him? Yes but when you think about what could happen. We see the speed and the power hitting the midst. But that's not the same as getting in there against the Guy Tony. These heavyweights now. Seems so much bigger. They seem so much bigger and stronger. I don't what might don't WanNa see Mike Tyson hurt. I don't WanNa see that. I don't want to see that. But how old was foreman? At the end of his run wasn't forming in his fifties. When you buy same fifties yeah he he was. I just want to remind people that the last time that we saw Mike Tyson hit somebody. It was Zach Galifianakis hangover which is a great movie. And there's a ties are in the room and it's really nice you care. Let Mike Tyson back into real ring. I mean you. 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Sports illustrated named Him College Basketball Player of the year. Over Shaquille O'Neal Alonzo Mourning and Christian. Leitner who would later go one two three in the NBA draft mine was the number twelve. Pick all going to Miami where he did not get much playing time he won the dunk contest twice but only started forty seven games in his four year NBA career. We WOULD MIAMI ONE WITH CLEVELAND. Only average points a game. His college coach George Raveling. One said the worst thing to happen to Harrow. Was the baby Jordan Tag. Indeed minor has lived most of his post. Nba Life in some seclusion. Admitting a few years back than it took them a long time to quote accept what happened with my career that I wasn't able to live up to my own personal expectation. Tony One. I forgot he was left handed. I've just gotten to all the guys that got tagged with that. There was so much question. It was so difficult to to have on you to smothering you and the only guy who who survived it and went on to have his own Great Hall of fame. Career is Vince Carter. And I wonder it'd be great advocates some time it being North Carolina and maybe having being knowing Michael Jordan demystified because there's that similarity and he was around a lot. I wonder how much that helped Vince. When he was young. But Man Harold Minor. I mean he has some talent in their tone but the pressure was just it was just enormous. Don't be the next Jordan. Don't be the next tiger doesn't work out happy. Anniversary Larry Bird on this day thirty nine years ago and just his second year in the League look at this followed up his own miss capturing the ball in his right hand slapping to his left hand in scooping the shot in as he fell out of bounds this was in game one of the NBA Finals against Houston a seal. The Celtics would win for birds. First title read our back red. Our back called it. The greatest play he had ever seen in this particular game. Bird had eighteen points. Twenty one rebounds nine assists which is a stat line. You can live with. I don't know to tell you how great Larry Bird was. There is a moment in the Jordan documentary. We're bird Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan opposing for publicity pictures for the Dream Team and the camera captures them laughing and kidding each other about the photo shoot. The moment is completely captivating. I imagine this is what it would have been like if Willie mays Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle. Wherever on the same baseball team Tony. That's why that team when people I know who are younger. Get angry hearing old. Say That's the greatest team ever assembled because it is that the Holy Basketball Trinity for people of a certain age in that photo. And so I you know bird. He doesn't get over he doesn't I mean bird is still in the conversation because you have clips like this and you have people like Michael and Irvin talk about Larry Bird and having to play against if that move mean. That Jordan switched hands this. This was in the finals that move because in motion and he thinks it's going to be defended as well. Maybe read our back right happy trails to the absence of baseball on ESPN. I feel like I'm doing a live. Read here the season opener. The Korean baseball organization was televised beginning at one. Am this morning. Eastern time with Carl ravage and Peres doing the call from their homes the NC dyno's beat the Samsung Lions for those of you in Korean. Fantasy Leagues The K. B O is a ten team league. Each team plays one hundred forty four games. The selling point in the League is offense a couple of years ago. The League wide batting average was two eighty six and then I mentioned there's a premium on theatrical backflips Tuesdays through Fridays. Espn will televise a game beginning at five thirty am eastern. Which is when I'm out walking the dog. It's a four. Am Start on Saturday people getting in late and a one am start on Sunday? In addition to rally. Eddie John Chambi and Jessica. Mendoza and Peterson will call games as of yet. They're no fans in the stands just cardboard cutouts of fancy UMPIRES and Onfield. Coaches must wear masks and if any member of the team any member test positive corona virus. The League will shut down for at least three weeks. That's a lot of pressure Tony. Look it's a trickle baseball in Asia. Here Golf in Florida there. It's something you know. I know it's just toes in the water. That's all this right now but I know you'll agree with me. This is good to see and I'm watching and I want some weird time. I'm three hours off of you and I'm still going to be watching so take that.
ICYMI - Jaboukie Young-White Talks to an Unlikely MAGA Dude
"You're listening to comedy central. After four nights of watching the Republican National Convention I'd honestly prefer to go live in whatever alternate timeline there we've built our wall peace in the Middle East you have the ability to choose your life and determine. Extending I mean who doesn't want that so I sat down with nineteen year old orange delegate. Michael. To See what it takes to buy into this Republican, Dreamworld your. Where you wrap around Oakley Sunglasses and the testicles hanging off the back of your trot are you even allowed to be a Republican wear transparent frames? I know. There's a lot of stereotypes especially within the Republican Party of a Republican looks like I. Definitely don't fit that mold. How did you get into this? Like were you rebelling against like democratic parents or was there someone pointed a gun at you don't know what's going on outside of the frame. So blink twice need hope. So, let you blake to own my God. We zoom right like gear address is in the room or she may. Know hold on myself actually that sounds like something that kidnapped person would say if you wasn't being coerced than why Donald Trump are you conflicted that your team and he wants to ban Tiktok well, I do like trump. Obviously. Right on. The coronavirus pandemic. was doing great and unemployment was down and all that good stuff the major pain keeping him a winning election. This November would be in his tweets. Love you trump. If you're watching this, you know I'm a big supporter but our. Mouth sometimes. You know. He likes trump except for his tweets. Liking everything about Connie but his music. So what was it that drew Michael to the Republican Party? In two, thousand, seventeen, the Evergreen state college had this event a without white people, and so the school sponsored this event which no white people could go school for a day and a professor named. That he didn't want to follow by the rules because. It was discrimination on the basis of radio rates. Hold on hold on he got a paid day off work and said, no, yeah, I guess he put his values before your money unfortunately. Yeah. Then isn't that add to being a Republican I think nothing is more damaging than opinion abroad stroke over a group of people saying they don't care about life in terms of like school shootings you don't care about the lot children's lives. You don't care about. Voter suppression or it could just a variety of issues and way more complicated than that. No. Of course, you care about kids lives. Also. Care about gun manufacturers having to meet their quarterly earnings. Balance Two things a if you want to go shooting with me a free to. But Within your rights, I'm never stood out WHO's anti-god? Regarding. Okay. I'm definitely not going to go shooting with this guy and the more we talked I realized we have no common ground. I'm celebrating my one month in sixty anniversary with my boyfriend Brian Oh my God. That's awesome. I didn't know that she had a boyfriend that changes everything. This guy can be gay Andrew Republic in maybe I could be too I just to rewatch the convention with open mind. Did you know abortion even had a smell? Okay never mind. Daily Show Kurbanov ears addition Watson Availa Show weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy Central, and the comedy central watch full episodes and videos at the daily show dot com follow us on facebook twitter instagram and subscribe to the show on Youtube for exclusive content and more. This has been a comedy central? PODCAST.
231: Synthwave Star Michael Oakley Joins Beats & Eats
"Live from our studios somewhere in cyberspace. It's bates and eat a happy hour for your mind. The virtual lounge is is open to come inside grab stool man your drink of choice and now here's your host die raye and mick gel. Virtual lounge is open. It's tirade without nick gel so today it's another episode of pizza needs and it seems like they're talking eighties music on the program where we're talking politics today. Were once again. Talk music particularly wave genre which believe it or not. I know i know it's been around for almost a decade and i'm just now discovering it. You may recall a couple of weeks ago. I ali ride talking about his brand. New album takes an advance which is just a terrific album. People are really flocking to it. <hes> cynth- wave is really a celebration of everything the eighties from music to games to collars you name it and the music reflects in the eighties and this has been a lot of fun for me because i'll be honest. I listen to a lot of eighties on eight. I listened to a lot of eighties music on the radio and i get so shows sick and tired of hearing the same cuts over and over and over again there was so much more to the eighties then just iran by a flock goals or don't you forget about me by simple minds great songs in their own right but the john russo much deeper in these new artists who i. I'm gonna call archaeologists geologist's because they're digging so deeper into the eighties to get new and fresh sounds just been a lot of fun for me and on today's show we have another another star from the genre upset wave is name is michael oakley. He's got a brand new album. Actually i believe michael came out in march simple as mean to you. I got alleys. Take on it. What does it mean to you while it's a to me. It feels like <hes> a new repackaged used terminology for this almost the same thing of that new wave movement from the early eighties. You know where you know. It's a you you wave of musicians and artists the the sort of take the old and ways and a- guess recycle repackage in turn into something new i mean it's definitely definitely the sense par elvis revolves a lot around synthesizer music and but yet yeah to me it just feels like <hes> like the current version of the new wave movement you know when headbands gironde your house and the blondie and elvis costello and all these new wave artists you know the british invasion all that stuff <hes> as this is. This is the current new wave albeit. It's not mainstream assistance as an underground movement. You know a large part of that is independent independent artists who are kind of you know the not as well known fought within the senior. Annoyances is kind of nice is is almost a little bit like a sort of i guess <hes> many synthesizer counterculture sort of movement thing because because is it. It's not i guess <hes> greased by the you know that can mainstream music machine. I guess if that may yes yes. Are you surprised that guys my age are starting to flock to it not so no. I definitely think it does this insanity the music as well and which is which has been long messing from music in general and i think the e._t.'s in general was as definitely the best decade i think for music. I think you know that p._d. Adopt a a one thousand nine hundred eighty six. Probably you know late seventies to eighty six was the golden period because it was when songwriter in writing bonds technology were all in tandem <unk> when everything came together and at best it could possibly be so it doesn't surprise me i think i think there's a definite nostalgia with that can of music music is very emotive emotiv and specially with the law blockbuster movies that you go back then like footloose gun slash dons and they all had the same track miami vice they all had like that music montage which has more of i against <hes> has more of an impact that you remember more when it's connected with other mediums like vet facials video but yeah it doesn't surprise me. That's all absolutely and michael. I think the other thing is and i told ali this when i interviewed him. I think that artists like yourself. Herself has such a great respect for the music today to be honest. You know we get a lot of eighties cover bands. The player local neighborhood bar and some of them are very good but at the same aim time there. I think are some bands that made a mockery of it right you just it's parody and i can't deal with that because the eighties wasn't important deck. Maybe i need to lighten coming up but the eighties was important decade decade to me. I'm very nostalgic so when i see somebody almost making fun of the genre it really makes me angry quite quite frankly yeah. I think i think there was a period and the early two thousands where there was this kind of lake four eight hundred s kind of movement and was laid bands late the keller started yeah and then there was all these kind of similar ash bonds and you know they would say you know influenced by new order depeche mode nola stuff but when you hear the music at stowe fell came to stereo. I hope it doesn't feel like really eighties music at all to me and you know i from years. As a i guess after just saw musician i would laugh because they would say they were like that's kind of eighteen movement but they were using like a micro cargo on stage are non music and i was just telling us. It's not really <unk> doesn't really be authentic to me but i i i i do think there's a law parody <unk> where at someone's idea of the like i guess most rudimentary kenneth cultural aspects of our hallmarks of the music and because of signs horrible and whereas for for someone like myself you know i although i grew up in the nineteen i i grew up less than two eighties music as as i kind of reaction to like not like in nineteen music also nineteen really really dreary rewrite i the seattle. I'm in the seattle area michael so so i'm very familiar yeah but also technology has a big part to play not everything went down and i do think that played a part in music zoned in in kingdom <unk> flies well you know but no i i grew up listening to my sister's record collection because she- she's ten years older than me and she hides you know it was one of those things i could go through her record collection and i was listening to stop like new order tears for fears aradio pet shop boys depeche foods like this that that was the cane foundation for. I guess you know my fallen in love with music well i i i will say this and i mentioned this at the top of the show when i did my intro is that i almost look at you and ali and other artists artists of the sean ra like archaeologists. You're digging. You're digging to make your digging for for older sounds and then you're trying to update them right. You're are digging digging deep into the past. That's what i was saying. When i'm like you know i don't mind a flock of seagulls iran but my god they had more than one song or civilized is. Do i really need to hear. Don't you forget about me over and over again. They had quite a catalog and i look at at people like you and all these people that know that and know oh. The deeper catalog and your music is reflected in their deeper cadillacs. Does that make sense. Yeah i think so i think i work with oily mean all it of talked a law about that can of subjects and you know even with our some reservations certain things within the said wave scene. Which would jim have removed. Has it's kind of pet foes as well. You know you can ensure you end up. People call start to copy the copy ests and so what you end up with is lake someone putin tracing for over l. like stechman traced version of an of two signs like <unk> really pastiche of of that but yeah i mean with what you're saying. <hes> i think the only way i can describe it as the when i go into these music and it was the nineties how god this music is amazing. This is so good as a musician had of dilemma because it was like <hes> i'm ten years too late so i can't make this kind of music because i did try to recreate that kind of music back then but it was just like there was no enthusiasm earn carbon because people couldn't. There's no way someone one could foresee that twenty years two years later you know there would be a revival and mess manner but you know history repeats itself yourself in the says the recycled generation thing for for all of those things yeah i went through a period of of only being able to take some aspects of that sewn into my music and the i was in band suburbs right thing and the kenneth stuff that you know we were doing was kinda like i guess gironde duran version of coldplay for instance. You know this was kind of a little bit of that retro sensibility not really. I didn't feel comfortable enough to philly so in the sense. We've seen kim runs. It was something that allowed me to completely let go and just be able to do the music that i'd always wanted to do fully without having to hold back or you know dial and because because it would be well received it was like no no the more the more authentic i i go with us in the way i wanted. The batter lovie received which was column. How wonderful is that. Freedom is an artist offers the best feeling because for many years i did feel sort of restricted felt came to light. I can't account us lendrum on drum n._s. Because it just immediately pigeonholes me and i wouldn't be able to get anywhere with that you know it was it was came to light that so it's been a big surprise you know the for me even to be able to do this in ness way so honestly i guess so you know with a mass shooting. Anything kelly can do exactly what i want. This really liberating you know i hear in your voice a liberation and and when i did my interview with ali we talked about thanks in advance in how how it was liberating for him. It was almost a catharsis getting in that sense from you about intro specht and the more i dug into the album the more i understand it is really a life story right. A journey reflected reflected in the songs so it does make some sense and i want to talk about some of the songs if you don't mind just taking a break or talk about the music because it was really fun for me got to listen to. I want to talk about your one of the tracks really appeal to me which was american dream over eating and been searching in the piece is a dream dream master and got to tell you michael. I heard some fleetwood mac in there. Am i wrong at yeah. This is ah lindsey buckingham yes can vibes oh so i guess peter gabriel sort of vibes and then as swail probably more so to gabriel but to be honest the genesis of that song came about because i love it john and billy joel and i play piano on you know although the music that i do is set aside based. I play piano john on piano. I write songs on piano and i even have in my past. My background is i used to play in piano handlebars and glasgow so i would be laying out and joins back catalogue billy joel's back catalogue the beatles old was classic sinatra demartin american songbook golden age of the sixties seventies and eighties and and so i felt like i wanted to do something that was a little bit reflective of that and i just start with the the yamaha's ep seventy a piano for the for the piano shown in the in the song and that gives it that sort of peter gabriel zone that piano sewn does the same piano that send key news on their first two albums the same piano so yeah yeah i i heard sarah in there for some reason sarah by fleetwood mac american dream over and over and over and then i went back to fleetwood mac sarah and i thought wow there's some really nice nice elements in here that that are reflected from it was it was fun and i actually felt like i heard some alice cooper to in the beginning for matic. It was some of his sir influences but i don't know if you were a fan of his or not. I'm not talking the shock stuff. He did some really great ballad work. Not funny out not really haired of alice cooper stuff tough but certainly for for for sada that that is the same piano <unk> i would stake money on. It's probably a yamaha cheapie seventy or a c._p._a. And that was not i think about it. That was probably used on that song yeah yeah it's hits terrific. I the whole album is fantastic michael and from from top to bottom i just really enjoyed listening to it over and over again to eh get familiar with your work and of course i actually i heard you work with northern lights to control song and i hadn't heard that either. I heard that on spotify. If i am like who is this guy i've got to learn more common from a distance here roy security custodians of what i don't understand now the kiss hiding in the dock on seven missing ever so how did that come about well that same are for all of that was a remix that say northern ladies had done control for me day dex amazing. He's he's whenever i asked people to remix my stocks. I i always i only ask people who i'm fine of people who i really respect and love their their solo music so yeah that's asked him to do it and it was something that when i get the california remix album i had asked him then but unfortunately you he was going through some some changes he was moving and day change in job and and unfortunately ah could happen but he always left it open because i really wanted to do something so when introspective finished you know wanted to do a remix version of that album and he was one of the people i asked to do and there's just blown away by by his reimagining of the song say certainly adds a completely employees new mood to the to the song which which i love you know so it was that it was that mix that led me to listen to f._m. F._m. eighty four which led me to listen to ali which led me to listen to you isn't that funny as definitely the the sex degrees of separation variation with the within the sent senior. You could rob hall in debt and you used to discover a lease similar. Themed seemed artists. You know f._m. Eighty four the midnight tame caught nineteen th the stock to go down that road west and it's like oh wow you it's it's not just a fluke there as a lot of really great artists who are doing the ruined thing identity entity with what we're doing and and thankfully it's well. It's been well received <unk> main boggling actually for me how much it's funny that you're actually performing live too right. Did you ever think in a million years you'd be performing live. No it was something i'd always wanted to do but then i guess i always thought of myself as a studio guy. You know someone who i would just you know songs and traduced them. An who the now and that was it really i. I wasn't quite sure how that would translate to a live show setup. I think because i didn't want to just be a you know a guy standing there saying with a laptop lena back and i can feel a little bit like if i'm gonna do i. I want to do it right and half a band guitarist and have somebody who played drums and maybe keyboard parts and i play keytar on stage. I try to play lee as much as i can. Within my my limits you know to sang on plea and just just to make it more of a performance more of a can of organic onic thing that has more energy to sure. I do think that when you play lies you know you want to try and engage with your audience and you there the after have a good time so you've got everything you can to really try ample often. Let them see that you're working hard on stage to give them a good time and so yeah said a steady you own you to me. I had all but given up on on on my music career had had a manager before it was a band not the manager was photographer who worked for paulie door records and he had got in a few record labels to lessen our our staff and then come and see his life and it didn't work out and a eh you know before i started writing california you know four or five year and <unk> over necessarily surly. I don't know if i would necessarily call writer's block but i think i was definitely become quite a fed off. All yeah the music industry at unthank- thank those someone like me michael. I think that's true of any profession especially when you're in the arts if you're cynical or jaded at all. How can you express yourself itself in a positive way well. That was the thing <hes> i when i started right writing california and it was really my sort of just of a relationship a relationship that had ended badly and in california was my. I guess catharsis. It was oh my way of writing about what had happened. You know and and my experiences with that. I didn't intend for anybody to to lessen to diet is really just genuinely felt like you know i'm back on my i won't again and you music parslow <unk>. Why don't i just wanna just make the album that i wanted to to always right for me without having to do with any expectations from the record company or you know concerns about how is going to be received. I don't i just write the out i had always wanted to write for me and the first track that came from that liz was rabbit in the headlights and then it was after that i had discovered put at the business seen on day. One of my friends had convinced me to send it to new retro wave in and be loved food up and that gave me the i guess give me answer certain gosto give coin fisher to continue writing and finishing the album and and not who johnny late mute to los angeles led me to finish the album over there are and led me to meeting my wife no and then it led me to signing with new retro eve in kuching following out mental introspective with them and that led me to working with all the rides and an easing playing live supporting f._m. Eighty four in all these all these things can happen just because i took the chance when y you a long way oh along long way michael from playing the piano bars in glasgow right definitely an i dare i must say i i love doing i. Do you think that that has played a big part. In shaping the way i write songs. I do think that anybody who's trying trying to learn how to to write songs. The best thing that you can do the best advice i can give for that as you know go out and sang a three hour safe cover songs of your favorite songs and and it's not just about learning the songs and and being able to play them and and then heating headed the male delaying works with the cords a subdued watching people's reactions in watching their body language when you play a sentence song has that effects than on a subconscious level you know it's like they're having a conversation in a new start. You start to sing a song like join your song or useless. It's only you know messed up right sade by the kellogg yellow coldplay or even stuff like under my skin by frank sinatra you watch how you subconsciously pierce their conversation in there <hes> love this song you see the change and sure he gets yes. You can have learning about what works and what doesn't and doesn't the piano michael lend itself to storytelling just getting behind the keys <hes> absolutely i think you know the the tailing question of a song is whether or not it still sounds like a good song on piano and vocal or or you know acoustic guitar in vocal if you strip us on back to just bare essentials of chords and melody and it still sounds a great song that fast when you know you know really would take some serious sabotaged on the arrangement and production to you know to really mess up you know and michael what i'm hearing from you is you wouldn't be here today. Doing what yes you do if it weren't for those nights in glasgow playing the piano in front. Definitely instance are definitely. I think probably there was a time when i probably took for granted and got frustrated with it because i the worst team where after a few years of not rating thing not being that kind of creative way with a the i was singing at weddings and piano bars and i i was frustrated because because i felt like how you know whoring my muse mitalent <unk> for money and how that's musical war that wasn't i wasn't doing what i really wanted to and there was a lack of fulfilment there so i i i you know i think now i'm able to look back at it and be more appreciative of whereas you know i think i got caught up in that thing of singing the same songs every week and you know this isn't what really wants to do. You know this is great. I'm doing this for eleven but the i really want to write music that that's why i came here in this life to do. You know well if it makes you feel better. I don't think the rolling stones are getting sick of seen satisfaction right even though they're still on tour that's the carson the blazing blessing isn't it you know you the that's the pain and she paid for success when you're when you're young musician and you have you know you you have to sing every show and as you probably do get sick of it but then when you watch the reaction of people how they love that song i suppose that probably you even even someone like corey hart in a it's like i i can imagine that most people his concerts are just actually looking another watching waiting for the end of the night when they have the you know what he plays that song that i think that that set the so many musicians are in an animated they would do anything for that one that one just that one song that could go on <hes> but it's hard to think it's it's more than just having a good song or a great song even the so many other variables that has to have to work for you at that time you know the people being aware of your presence your look your i made sure run dame the kenneth i guess psychological sub-conscious message that you off off the branding it so many so many things that have to working time them speaking of branding with respect you very careful with the branding where you not to make sure it reflected the album will return after this word word from ours got one sponsor in this episode of beats in each brought to you by post meets when you need red wine at four p._m. 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I was finding my feet was for south album and <hes> introspects like sonos fatty different from california and i think the reason why for that was when i started making introspects i had started to get quite frustrated with hearing the same types of sound komo. We've stinging at like. I was saying earlier on a boat. That's tracing in paper effect of someone. Here's someone within the sent. We've seen i saw them. They like the tracing paper over and stock to trace lisa vet so that they can make their own song with fell a bit late that copying the caucasus and that frustrated me and and i almost deliberately stop listening to music from within the scene in an i i can a feeling like you know what i'm going to make an album. That's reflective of the music that i listen to grew up. <hes> this that this is going to be a very authentic album the same it's going to be an authentic can the sense of it is owned lake. It could have came out from the eighties and off so i still give it the kenneth production mortem torches. I guess the idea of it not truly guest but eh came about as a frustration with that and when you listen isn't through the album you know i i i've taken a big noise for stuff like italo disco music pat shortt boys new order and you know movies shown chat kenny loggins yeah as well for sure and introspects is definitely at a very different record i even sat and things like my vocals wanted my whole costa <unk> whereas in california they're kind of more in the mex with the music as part of the can of landscape whereas and respect my book was our front wanted to send a very can send paul record very radio. Friendly can assigned to that kind of mid-eighties. You are sort of central yeah. There's there's a lot of variety for any fan of eighties music on this record from from ballads power ballads to soundtrack music to dance music. There's something i think my glide just. There's something for everybody on this record. I and you mentioned soundtracks and of course push it to the limit. Yeah we're can father's town strange. He's waiting for a showdown scarface immediately right. I mean everybody is annoyed to that. That's why why i called the track that is a little tongue in cheek reference to giorgio moroder and that scarface sunshack scarface is my favorite movie they but there's also and you know worked with with all on that truck you know he <hes> cowrote song with me and and he definitely when we were talking about it you know we both were like kenny loggins. Yes absolutely candy lord just this he's just such gotcha great great archie artists and and wants to channel a bit of that in there as well so yes we should has. I bet that kenneth footloose movie soundtrack fuel to you know and melba bonnie tyler hold and there is well. That's short short. Jim steinman is an influence at all meatloaf. Absolutely i you know i i love jim steinman stuff that he did with meat loaf. Am i even love the album that meatloaf steadfast rank theory and you know later on after he'd parted ways with jim steinman down i'll n._e._t. Sex which is really really great but say yeah absolutely i do think and i think the manner in which i approached introspects i have certain rules and limitations the i imposed on myself when i'm recording. I never use the same soanes twice. The only exception for that was orchestra hats. You know like the can affair late zones that you'd hear trevor horn news on pet shop boys' records or frankie the hollywood that and also the c. p. seventy piano used that accomplish teams just because i love that piano saying that's a mainstay but but yeah i deliberately don't like to chart the same ground that has already done. I i like to use deafen stones and whenever i use a patch or so that i've made or drum sewn deletes it from my from from my collection of signs the i deliberately don't use it again. I just i don't i i like i'm kind of i guess you would you call like the kind of musical alchemists that you not like to serve. I'm always the thing that really does it for me. Is that sach for something different that johnson's the looking four and you know i. I know people that like to recycle signs and that's absolutely fine. Yeah i mean that's how you have. I guess signature soanes. You know that's very identifiable but i cannot think that for f._s._u. That's the one that's making the music. That's the signature in itself. Is it not i mean that's the n._s. Capable power over and i guess if i'm singing hanging that's the only thing i can change. His voice is gonna sign the way my voice sounds on the record so alex i think thing with introspective i deliberately trying to make m._t._v. sending poke. Album thing you know like from the miami vice is always a beggar. I love the type of music you would hear on miami vase. I'm i'm really happy with how it turned. Oh yes can a strange no the place that right now looking forward to and you album and walk through. I'll take for that because this salman a very personable our personal one for you. I i know in that a lot of these songs. Reflect you and your life. <hes> i read where kristal ships is is war most near and dear song because it deals deals with the death of a of a friend of doors at a very young age fifteen and this is one of your ways to to honor him. Is it not <music>. <music> uh-huh you seen gene have got one of your staff <music> time slip from your our pants and these dreamers mass yeah abode. My best friend died when he was fifteen. I was fifteen. Were moore high school together. We shared that you know. I guess when you're at high school in the rings layoff. You know it's a different experience. You know going mm for your your teenage years and you're. I guess learning to be an adult so there's a lot of them. Mess jeff and i love new experiences are beg lessons that age so yet crystal ships as as as a tribute to him and just twenty twenty two years later <unk>. Sam is not something that's ever ever lake emotionally dissipated for me something that you know almost every day i think about him and i think thatt's that i felt ready to write about about that because i it's. There's a different perspective nowhere. I'm older and i think an thing at the time. You know you think loss. That's really shocked at what happened. That's terrible what happened. I can't believe he's left my life and you know you look at the devastation the station that caused these family and friends and and you go through that but then when you get older and you reflect on your left with definite takes exa questions you know the the question of why did this happen turns into you know. Who would i be now if they were still here in my life. You know what would i be like. You know even stupid things like helen. Would we still be friends with bestow being taught. You know get married. You know you know how would my life be definite right now. <unk> passion still here and still in my life and still apar- knew who who would i be and that's that's. That's really the starting point of that song. You know that that is the lane that was the first thing that came into my head. Some actually slight light conversational <unk> when you look at my songs and the right thing style the very conversational when you you can sort of read it like a conversation because that that was me saying to myself you know sometimes i get this feeling it comes and goes wonder what my life would be like if you were here but i'll never know because it's cold in the osagie. It's a very is a is a dialogue between me and myself plan but yeah that's you know. Crystal ships is definitely the most passionate one is not one. I i will be sending live shows just to to personal but it's definitely i think it's probably maybe my favorite song because of the of the i've done it took a long time to get that song finished and worked on and to get owning the way i wanted to identify version of and then scrapped the go back to the drawing board and ago my friend james james me's. He is missing missing wards. He <unk> guitar tone on that changed that changed the dynamic. I'm day another guy who he's scott really great project called ultra boss and he owned the solo on that track and not just i just change the whole mood of a really given. I'm a much more and more tional context yes so that's very powerful and rain gene also is a very personal song for you is not rain. I started writing when i was still in glasgow and i was in limbo booth and <hes> you know i was going through the transition. I think i went i went to los angeles and china had finished california and came back home. You know i hard to go back to that being a life because because i had seen a life that i could have an had met my wife that team. We weren't mighty so i went home. You know she lived in canada and i was back and i was just going to work every weekend back home and glasgow and address phil late that doesn't manning morphine on and you had to find a way to that and it was it was really difficult because the fallout that came from me tailing you know the people that i was working with luca at the wanna do this anymore. I want to the youth you know i wanted to. I want to to to move to canada be with my wife. I want to shoot my my music music career and see what happens with that. You know it's and the fallout from that you know a lot of people that was working with all these buchen. 's with with weddings and engagements that you that you've called for the next two years. You're gonna do how we say. All these people that you no longer can play at the wedding or wherever and play the thing. I was just saying i know but this is something that has to do. You know i wouldn't be going to bed at night losing sleep over messing those weddings affecting the engagements and stuff you. I know it's it's a hard the situation but i would go to bed at night and not be able to sleep. Thank him you know had a window of opportunity to pursue a new life with with with my music career that i had always wanted in the way that i wanted to noon with no compromises and you know that that was something that i was going to grab the bull hands. I think that's the thing you know you could offset in moments in your in everybody's life we are you reach a crossroads and you're faced with the the difficult the decision of turning against everything you noise your life and and and cutting ties and and moving in a new direction and the thing is when when you when you change you know makes other people uncomfortable and it makes a lot of other people will be like you can't do that. You know it can almost challenges just then because i think it makes people feel uncomfortable because the narrative in the part of them where they haven't pursued their dream so it makes them uncomfortable boone. They tried to pull you back and to to just continuing being that same pay arson and living that life because you know that's how they know you when you change <unk> uncomfortable challenges them absolutely absolutely you know day. Rain is is all about that you know the forest lane and the song as i've got to get out the city's like the graveyard tooling me down and that's habit fail at the end of the graveyard par as as you know memories of of things that just didn't walk out or you know relationships chefs that didn't go anywhere that the failed or and even with my work is nice to work with my friends and and to do music but there was still a feeling of a lack of sleman and on unhappiness there because i wasn't doing that. You know that purpose inside me that. I knew i had to be doing so. You're reins of rains about that. You know where you've got really tough decision to make whether you want to be your authentic. Thanks excel for you. Wanna you. Just stick around for other people and continue being your folks so i guess what what's next for you michael well next as as a as i'm focusing on the next album that that stuff's really with both hans starting to to reproduction worked for the law work involves volts <unk>. I got some new synthesizer programs on getting to grips west to us and you know again have go through all of my son collection and delete all of the stones the i used on introspects and make sure i don't use those signs again <hes> i'm just i'm just looking at shocking new territory for the next album. I'd like to incorporate more guitars and <hes> certainly death lacquered hysteria. Album is a placeholder. I heard that on this album by the way on interest back. I don't know which track i can't remember remember i in my notes chicken scratch by intel but i know i heard hysteria somewhere on it. Respect definitely a is. It's funny because i've really gotten to the album of late and you find a love mutt lang and has approach to recording and in production and making everything signed huge so you know. I definitely definitely what i'm not quite sure. As what exactly exactly going to do in this the way i was with respect but but sam but i i knew i'll get there. You just have to keep you have to keep a soloist like a job. You know you have to keep putting yourself in the chair and get too eventually. Eventually you do find find your feet. Snow supposed to be easy. You know if it if it was easy <hes> you know we would all be doing so true. That's that's the challenge when she no <hes> but i'm not concerned they are you on until until i sort of feigned my feet and starts to come up with the kansas soanes ideas that the i'm really happy with the again that's the nester and the unexpected is part of the secretive process when you surprise yourself hewlett <hes> that's actually really good. I'm really i really like that. You know that that's that's part of the process. You know where you lay off ah joulwan. I really i'm enjoying this. This is still in my head hours late that you know that's that's working so it's all about yeah could include more guitars and the and the nexen and <hes> yeah. I'm really excited to the voter. I also so have the deluxe edition of introspects coming out as well. That's coming up in september. They are teams which which will include includes <hes> a remix version of introspects as way allies alive d._v._d. Of my show in toronto oh cool so yeah to go above and beyond with west is released and make sure it was like the ultimate fashion you know the best rational russian could possibly to and so that's just not together right now and that's going to be connote needle. Let you go michael. Thank you so much. The album is introspective on new retro wave records. You can get it today and you've got an remix of that coming out on the thirteenth corrective september yet yup fifteenth of september. The introspects deluxe edition is going to be on l._p. On cassette thank you michael. Thank you so much tears. I the virtual lounges now closed for beaten aids. I'm your bartender scott scott mitchell until next week. Stay cool yeah <music> the the take yeah <music> the.
Piltdown Man hoax exposed in press - November 21, 1953
"What's up guys? This is easy bus. I've got a brand new podcast about sneaker. Culture legit check I'm going to be highlighting some of the most talented people in fashion music and street wear. This is the first first and only podcasts of its kind. Were happy to be giving people what they've been waiting for. Don't miss these exclusive interviews listener legit check on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to to your podcast. This Day in history class is a production of iheartradio. Hi again again. Everyone its eaves and welcome to this day in History Class A show. We're history waits for no one. Today is November Twenty First Twenty Nineteen Day was November twenty. First it's nineteen fifty three the piltdown man. The supposed- fossil remains of a species of extinct. Hominids was exposed as a hoax. Charles Dawson Dawson was an amateur antiquarian. Who lived in Lewes Sussex? He claimed that in nineteen o eight he began to find fossilized remains in a gravel formation at piltdown down common major evidence of early humans in the British isles had not yet been uncovered so his discoveries were potentially ground-breaking they attracted the attention of Arthur Smith Woodward keeper of the Geological Department of the British Museum Woodward Dawson continued to search the gravel pit and discovered discovered fragments of a cranium jaw and teeth. They suggested that all of the fragments belonged to one individual at a meeting of Geological Society of London and didn't on December Eighteenth nineteen twelve Woodward announced the discovery of the piltdown remains. He proposed that the down man represented an unknown species of extinct hominem. That was the missing evolutionary link between apes and early humans. He dubbed the puck down man. Eon Therapist dossier or Don man and after Dawson from nineteen thirteen to nineteen fifteen more fragments were excavated from the site and another one nearby Dawson died in nineteen nineteen sixteen. Many scientists accepted his view that the fragments all belonged to the same individual but others believed that the fragments came from more than one source. Yes possibly a modern man and anthropoid eight in Nineteen fifteen. Gary Miller published the results of a study that concluded that the job was that of the champion see. This conclusion was supported by other scientists but debate continued over. The origin of the piltdown remains people began canton doubt the legitimacy of the piltdown man in the nineteen twenties and Nineteen Thirties. When other early human remains began to be discovered around the world plus it was determined at the piltdown gravel? Were not as old as they were once thought to be by the nineteen forties more advanced dating technologies have been developed in nineteen forty nine paleontologist alien tallest Kenneth Oakley and colleague CR hoskins tested the piltdown remains using a kind of chemical analysis called fluorine. Testing it was determined that all the fragments were from around the same time period but were much younger than the suggested possibly somewhere around fifty thousand years old rather than five hundred thousand that meant that the piltdown man could not be the missing link between apes and humans in one thousand nine hundred eighty three after an improved method of fluorine analysis had developed developed Oakley Physical Anthropology Professor Joseph Weiner an Oxford Anthropologists Wilfrid Le Gros. Clark determined that the jaw and teeth were not in the same age as the skull. They reported their discovery in the bulletin of the Natural History Museum on November twentieth. Nineteen fifty-three the next day. The hoax was announced in the press. The remains included fragments of six hundred year old human cranium the jaw and teeth of an orangutan and the truth of what was likely a champion. The the fragments had been stained with chromium and an iron sulfate solution and the teeth had been artificially break to stimulate where on top of that the remains were not even from Britain and the piltdown man was a hoax. A number of people have been pegged as the perpetrator of the hoax including Dawson and a museum volunteer. Turn keeper burbs zoology at the museum named Martin. AC Hinton in two thousand sixteen researchers published an article that included new evidence suggested Dawson was responsible for the hoax. Though he may not have acted alone they said his quote hunger for acclaim may have driven him to risk his reputation. and Mr Correct the course of anthropology for decades I'm Eve Jeffcoat and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday if you I know you already spend too much time on social media. Spend some time with us at not. The I H fi podcast on facebook twitter and Instagram instagram. You can also shoot us an email at this day at iheartmedia dot com. Thanks for going on this trip through history with us. We'll see you again tomorrow with another episode career for more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows what's up I'm willful. Mm from thrill us with some amazing podcast news. We just launched our very first podcast thrillers. Best and the rest every week. 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A Friday Morning Update, C-Lo Style
"Mets do the same thing again, this time win Diaz and just a spectacle of a meltdown in Philadelphia. It's so frustrating because it's the Phillies and they were in their own downward spiral. And you're thinking that this whole off season for them, which I thought was great offseason for the Phillies. We're gonna blow up in their face. And that would at least gave us some satisfaction as Mets fans to see them struggle, as well of this season was going to go that way. And now the Mets might have just resurrected their entire season by rolling in there and playing the way that they are so bamboo, whatever it's the Mets that were able to get the Phillies healthy is no doubt about that. And then running around in throwback uniforms and. That home when that score a home. Run went out there and all the Phillies fans just going crazy. It was just. It just. It just makes you sick. I was very disappointed. Jimmy Rollins was not on the test. Do I went and checked for me too? Did you hear that stuff? See low yesterday. I did not know my goodness, Jimmy Rollins. I guess does a select few Phillies games on TV now. Okay. And he has taken the cake for talking over the play by play guy, helping the calls worse than you've ever heard. So I was thinking, that's one of the first things I thought of after my anger went away with Jimmy Rollins was probably screaming all over Tom McCarthy, but he had the day off, just like boomer does. That's why ceelo is here. Jerry's in for him. So we've got a ceelo update happening right now. Good morning. Chris, I brought to you by town fair tire. Nobody beats town fair tire. Nobody everyone though. Of course, beating the Mets these days, especially the Phillies watches deep. The mess. The straight day Gary Cohen as to why there you go Zork and in the bamboo, four-game sweep as this team blows another lead five runs in the ninth off of Edwin de as served up homers to cigar, and Michael Franck. Oh. And here's how the finish sounded right here on the fan. Gora hits shot homerun. Unbelievable. Yeah. Mike was in rare form yesterday. It was it was tremendous, especially the video, if you get a chance to check it out and other total meltdown for the Mets. Bullpen fifth straight game in which they blew a multi run lead. It's the first time that's happened in major league baseball since two thousand eleven on a take a guess who the last team to do. It was. There you go. So we get to the post game with Mickey Calloway, and is just more of the same nonsense. This is blowing four of his last eight save opportunities. How do you assess what you're seeing from him right now? Well, you know last night, it was electric on. John also God Mickey referencing that twelve pitching in a non save situation from Wednesday where the Mets ended up losing any way in this one. They had one hit through eight. It came from Zack Wheeler of all people, they're down one nothing in the ninth. Todd Frazier hits the go ahead. Two run Homer of Hector narrowness insurance run. They got a two run lead the Hannibal the D as you get six seventy do up for the Phillies and he can't get them home as these rallies often. Do it all started with a free pass that hurt us of the walks, you more than anything. The leadoff walk you got to two run lead on. It's tough to walk a guy, you know that away if they hit a solo Homer, you're still ahead and it was a three two slider. No less. Right. I mean you're, you're, you're basically nibbling against a leadoff guy with the two run lead. They're just all in the ninety doesn't make a lot of sense Mets fall. Eight games under five hundred Mickey says it's just not fair been way too close to, to have this many loss. And that's how bad their bullpen. He's right. I mean he is. But he's right. Team. And they had no I'm sorry. Not his bullpen heating construct the bullpen. I'm not saying I'm just. I mean, they're all they all share some responsibility. Think here's your future box score for tonight on the Milonga. Lonzo. All right. So tonight's you've got Jerry decided to come up with a box score for tonight's game that has not happened yet. Of course. So he's got the Mets leading eight nothing going into the ninth. And then the brave score eleven eleven eight. Yeah. That's not, not off the table. That's how about how about the fact that a week ago, we actually sat here and decided to bet the Mets would win and shutout. Right. Jacob degrom, and I would do it again tonight. But unless he's going nine it's the it's not happening, but that was the whole point. I know but he hasn't this year. I think they're all going to have to start I guess their arms pitch seventy five. You want me to see what the, the line would be an eleven eight Braves. Yes. All right. I'll look that we have to we have to do. We have to put another. Hello, leftover. Here's DS through his translator. He says, they got the best of those trying to go the best, which is that I could. But it seemed that they were just like prepared for every pitch. Just a bad day for me. And what's a home runs came around. We lost the game. Now again it's through the translator. So. Right after the trade he did not talk through translator. He was true. Yes, he was on high heat with dog think about that. If you're able to understand him, you stand all sorts of English. Right. So now all of a sudden he's blowing saves against, you know what I think I remember that, and I think it was it was tough. It was tough, gene. Here's an examples GIO or shell came on with Mike no translator yet he'll use one. I think they're in those right after the game when you're answering for things that happened on the field and those immediate moments. I think they wanna make sure there's no confusion and sometimes we're they're shallow like the translators there, if he understands the question of feels comfortable answering in English he will other times, he'll look to the translator and get some assistant. So, you know, it's, it's sort of like a case by case basis. And we know with all the beat reporters and writers, standing there in the tape recorder's going to the TV cameras, going, you don't wanna come across the wrong way. So I get it from that standpoint. But for that answer specifically that I just played it's through the. Slater. You wonder how exact it is when he said I feel like I was making good pitches. Then you go back and you look at the pitch cigar hits. I mean he missed his spot by complete with of the plate. So it's hard. It's hard to say that it was a he made a good pitch because he didn't want to go back. Remember he when he blew the first save I want to say he said at that point, it'll never happen again. We'll have the effort that he wrote, I'm glad to get it out of the way. Remember that? Never happen again. Yeah. Check that out numerous times. So the Phillies were coming into this series, and they of course, rip off four straight after utility, man, Brad Miller, brought that bamboo plant into the clubhouse has a good luck charm, perhaps, the Mets can try something similar when they return to city field tonight. It's off a three and eight road trip. They've got the Braves for three the Yankees for two and then easel the Billy's again. That's right. Voodoo Pedro Serrano guitar get Jabbour in their Joe, boo. Right. Anything or sacrifice alive chicken, like it was at bull Durham. Okay. I think now one, okay. Hi. I cannot get the, the runs eleven eight not available. Non that's not just for this game. Not yet, at least maybe a little bit later day. We did it in the nine o'clock hour. I believe less. Yes. We did. Now he's towards the end of the show. You think the Braves are going to win the game. Do you think that the sun coming up? So you think the Braves are gonna win the game. Now saroka going for you can get them for the home run. I know Alex these because with his parlays he did this, which it's the match. Double, okay. Guy hits a home run for the team in the team wins any guy or you got to pick the guy that you pick the guy. That's dude. Well, that's where you get the better on top. Together. Donaldson hits a home run in the Braves wins it plus six hundred plus six fifty. Yeah. See there you go. That's what we might have to. That was a great bet in the football season. If you picked the quarterback to score a touchdown either the rushing score as a big fan of the rushing score for the love the rushing. Yeah. You must case live dollars. Freddie Freeman homering, FREDDY Freeman and a Braves win is plus six hundred while Dan's be Swanson Dan's v eight plus eight hundred. Yes. I like that. And how about a kunia and Albee's nine fifty for Albee's and six hundred for a kunia. Now, if you feel good about the Mets, you can get great odds on their well because because of the wind fact- that that's probably why they do play while they're into grams pitching, I understand. But the bullpen I'm as pitches. Eastham resort homers in a met wind, plus eleven hundred. Yeah. Thi this is stuff. You have to do to get yourself interested. It's kinda cool. Okay. What about give me one more? How about a. What about Alonzo? See Alana's actually stops at everybody your course plus four billion homerun. You can hope we also tag on a window it. Well, that's what I just said. You gave me the grounds pitching Canoas plus eight fifty. It should be plus eight thousand but it's plus a fifth, by the way, we gotta get to that make a you know, he's swinging the bat. He went over five. You gave him the day off pinch hit and he struck out. I mean come on, man. We're not morons. I mean I understand what you're trying to do. But no one, it's a choice in does. Do you think Brody says you need to say this about this player in the most gaining key saying you need to play Keno plan is one thing, but then talking him opposite? He's turned some sort of corner is embarrassing. It's true. You're not fooling anybody. But I do think that's who who Mickey is though. I think that, that is just he wants to find the best in everything, I guess, man, so degrom sirocco tonight, seven ten coverage on WCBS eight eighty. And by the way, city field address is now officially forty-one Seaver way following Thursday's ceremony, too. Honor, the hall of Famer organization has also commissioned, a Seaver statue finally, which at some point will be displayed in front of the building. You know the happiest guy in New York was yesterday how he rose because they kept him home. That watch that crap yesterday. I just said to Harris I where she would have been in Philadelphia. So I could have heard his call there in the ninth inning. No offense you. Tremendous wasn't it Eddie? Now is Wayne. And I know fence to Wayne just Gary had the bamboozled in this. That's why we'll, we'll here, we'll definitely get to Wayne school. At some point later this morning. Meantime, across the pond Yankees getting acclimated to London life before their two-game set with the Red Sox, beginning Saturday afternoon, as you know, John Carlos Stanton, not on the trip. He's got what Brian Cashman described as a PCL's strain in the right knee. This is amazing. What kind of fraternity timeframe? Are we looking at here, reels up going this way? So I think we'll get a better feel in the coming weeks about timeframe, rather than I put a time frame. They get busted if I get it wrong. So then the follow cane, he was asked to sometime in July might be realistic. I would say it safer to look into August. I wouldn't I, I don't want to say it's unlikely in July, but sweet spot would be August in terms of not getting burned. So he's going to be down for a while. So I don't wanna give it time line because they wouldn't be fair because wherever you're in London and everything. So what about your life won't be July? Probably august. I was really hard to get to the bottom of the plane forty games this year. Basically eight nine already comes back in August. He's got to seize months of who could play fifty or sixty I came. I mean look, not that I'm trying to keep them even came back in September. You give them a whole month to ramp from self up there. Fortunately in a position where they can do that because they have all these other guys contributing, they're not dying without him. Who says he's gonna come back and stay healthy though. Yeah. You gotta remember that first injury. He had turned into the six of the injured that could happen in August who they came back at another injury. A different one. Asli I, I'd be much more concerned about me, judge has done a great job of staying healthy and not mean not. Criticizing him. That's the one I have more concern about obviously Michael Brantley got more votes than he did for the all star game. While judge has he missed such a large chunk. I get that it was Aaron Jamie, edge demise less than one percentage point on the final vote Brantley. Got the final spot. I, I hear you interest. That's fair. Mike talk men brought on the trip. Not Clint Frazier. But Cashman said that was more about positional versatility and defensive ability, more so than anything else that could change. Once they get back to the states, Frazier, by the way since being sent down to AAA four for twenty eight three doubles a home or eight strikeouts. He's not exactly tearing the cover off the ball. You'd have to imagine the motivation, isn't exactly there at the moment. Also at Scranton last night. Yeah. He's the one hundred percent definitely speaking of button. It's not speaking of, but I forgot to mention this did you see what happened with Noah Syndergaard after yesterday's? I did not see. No. Okay. So I, I should have the exact tweet and what it said. But it was something along the lines of, you know, Mickey Callaway must have so much dirt on Bernie van wagon or something along those lines and Noah liked it. And then, of course, after the fact came out and said, I was an accidental like everybody calmed down, but it's Twitter someone else tweeted and he liked the tweet which is about Mickey having dirt on Brody, and that's the. The outright. There you go from fliegelman gave me the line. He must have some great blackmail material on Brodie van wagon and that's why he still has his job essentially like the tweets. And then as again, maybe maybe it was accident. Oh, but we've seen that act before where the athlete to save face after the fact says I was an accident. I didn't realize my bed, right? But of course, it sets specific thing like he couldn't have been, you know, tweet about it. Did knock you tweet about somebody's got think it was done on purpose. And he's just dumb. Probably. I mean. He knows what he's doing. He's a big social media guy. Right. So okay dumb, whatever but yeah. I would agree not by accident. That's a bad. And he's apparently due back from the island this next turn through the rotation. So keep an eye on that house Steinbrenner briefly with the media out in London yesterday, willing to take on salary to improve the Yankee pitching staff in advance of the trade deadline is always going to be we're going to be looking at everything in July, and whatever we're going to consider them. You did say he's more concerned about the level of prospect, they'd have to give up as opposed to going over the third luxury tax level, quote, what am I losing, what is the future? I'm giving up. So sounds like they are willing to open up the checkbook as you would expect coming from the Yankee starters for next month's all-star game announced. The Astros leading all teams with three representatives. Jerry already gave you. Michael Brantley, also got Alex bregman, George Springer. And there are two Yankees in the starting lineup. Gary Sanchez DJ LeMay. Hugh, the Mets, of course, get shut out, because Alonzo didn't make it to that final vote for the first base position. We'll see. The reserves, which I believe, on Sunday, you would think he's right. And what he's, he's gotta be Lonzo. I would certainly is going to be on the roster. Just he's not. He's not going as a starter. Right. There's no ways left that you don't think he's only all star team. I don't know. I don't know good options. So I, I know that I know they have been. I think he's going to be in the home run derby. So he's going to be a part of the festivities. Anyway, I don't know. I don't think it's a lot that even though it's a deep position, the nationally, I, I don't know, for sure. That's facet quickly some notable out of town scores. The dodgers out slugged the Rockies twelve to eight their twelfth straight win over Colorado. Craig kimbrel earned the save in his cubs debut and of course got it against his former team. Cubs beat the Braves nine seven pirates pounded the Astros ten nothing. They outscored Houston twenty four to two across the final two games of that series and the race survived the twins in eighteen innings five to two. They used eight relievers to get it done. They're still six and a half or was that they started with. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. Because eighteen innings if they had an opener eight pitchers across eighteen innings. All right. Top of it. They did was it. Ryan Stanic that's one of their goats that usually does the guy. She went the first two innings. So that's actually not bad. Eighteen innings with an opener and they only use eight guys, right? Bunch of guys went three. That's why the Mets would an opener the if they played a game. Seven six Brooks pounders longest game in history of baseball, which just be going resort. It would be pitching at the end. Yeah, they would get through that, right? Couple NBA joined before we go. So the Lakers unloading these three contracts, quite honestly three guys. I personally never heard of. I'm not the biggest NBA guy, but they opened up thirty two million dollars worth of cap space. Title. I didn't even back because I can literally not heard of them, all of a sudden, I'm not gonna even go there because I don't know. I can't tell you anything about these guys, so the combo of the three contracts, and then Anthony Davis waving. His four million dollar trade bonus gives them another MAC salary slot. Also, the bronze apparently given up his number twenty three to AD switch to number six by the Sixers and yeah. That is true. I didn't think about the personal good. Even the names, j Wagner, Wagner. Heck is mowing mom. You know, remember him from Michigan? Very good players. I don't I don't I don't have a name does not. Jones. Yeah. Okay. But you should you should know fine. Fine. I mean, what's he done in the NBA? Well, nothing. But, I mean yet somehow of these three guys in southern, we've got thirty two worth cap space, which tells me these no names were making multi million dollars. Which is absurd. You remember jimmer for dead. Of course. Yeah. I do. Remember those guys MO Wagner, though, does not on me. That's fine. I'll, I'll wear it blew and co is going to give the raptors the the final meeting. Yeah. Out in LA. They're on the Knicks are still currently work into set setup with Walker. Okay. Stephen a Smith. Basically is continuing to say these two are going to Brooklyn. Yeah. He said it yesterday, I guess, on his show, you'll get up his show and said. Yeah. Basically that, that it's done. So, and then you have others guy. Yahu insider, Kris Haines, who was saying that it was the Knicks. So true. Yeah. He said it's gonna knick's over the net. So I I mean I don't know what the hell the same. Jalen Rose's, the Knicks other people's aids. The nets I, I still think they're saying the clippers. And by the way, people's fascination with Kawhi Leonard vacation and the stuff that he's done post have you seen the latest thing now. It's like it's a picture of him on a on a tube. Getting dragged behind a boat like kind of looking like he's having fun. And now that is for him. That's probably having a blast. Yeah. The kind of looks like he's having time. Smile like almost fun. And now that's all over the place. You know, him sitting at a VIP table at a pool party. That was a me. That's what we have to do. And he does. Well, he's, he's a name, do you expect also Durant? I saw this yesterday that he was sold his home in LA. Yeah. In Malibu thirteen million dollars. Got got a he's got rid of adding fat. And there was a pick with him and Charles Oakley, which is the worst thing for the Knicks. Like you would think that, that would be a good thing, all with the Knicks legend. It's gonna come to the next Charles Oakley said every bad word about that organization. Now order to Kevin Durant while they were talking is my guess. And if I'm Charles locally at probably would've done the same exactly not shouldn't the treated me that one. Right. Exactly. But, but anybody who thought, oh, this is a sign now not no, no. Why at Oakley, Oakley also said if anybody's considering going coming to New York, you need to talk to me, because I'll tell you, everything you need to know. So things own meetings free agents are coming to him. I'll tell you everything you need means trashing. All the dirt there. Real quick women's World Cup. US France today, quarterfinals, three eastern for the soccer fans out. There aren't very good. Thank you. See low.
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Steve Sadow- The Fixer
"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You podcasts Before we begin episode man I I think man we owe a moment of silence to the late Great Colbrad and his doubted G G I I just want to make sure that there is a record of celebrating and killing his daughter and the other family members that were also Involved and the terrible events that led to to to their demise They deserve to be lifted celebrated and remembered always so at this time or will will the entire expeditiously team. Everybody in here who can hear my voice and listeners. Join us in a moment of signs tried some enormous cases. One one of which the anniversary is coming. WanNa years With this debate Lewis trialed the murder trial and your client who's codependent Joseph's reading about this case Jason had worked out three weeks into the trial three weeks into the trial. I get a phone call from a reporter at in Baltimore Food and said what you comment on Ray Lewis was cutting a plea deal. But he's going to testify against sweetening and Oakley tomorrow so that Monday we gotta continue into twenty four hours and the defense teams teams. That were still left. Got To go and everybody said we got to attack Ray Lewis this was number one linebacker in. NFL probably still no one back to NFL so they wanted to attack them in your your response to that has got to be a better way so I went home and I figured out the way. I'm a diverse individual. You know what is a family man. Is He a chapel. Is You later. I'm loving all of it Beach Oh a kiss showgirl. Oh girl and go and then I show up lead a march own we use is all real real this expeditiously additionally I am too long now the following experience chest conversations of stores expressed on this podcast admit commit to be an expression of purpose and truth. This show probably a tighter. Expeditiously is a free exchange of ideas and opinions no judgment no preconceived beliefs. No fear if your courage to share your spouse and as any question as long as we speak do true love and respect of others that we would change the willing to speak truth to power wash sure time now without further ado this is expeditiously I'm ti hairs. Welcome to expeditiously man. I am your host to tear harassment average man as you already know we have the most interesting discussions with people who have the else's that the generation could use to move. Life is self forward. Our next guest has some of the most high profile cases in criminal defense include mile for Ross to Howard k stern is will as one of the most high-profile federal cases in Georgia history where he successfully defended Steven Kaplan the former owner of the notorious Torius Gold Club Strip club. He is a different a my and you know someone who are professional have an enormous amount of respect for and also also against in the wake of the anniversary of the Ray Lewis trial. I guess it should also be pointed out that in the Ray Lewis trial his client. Who was co-defendant? Terry Lewis was acquitted because he found a way to cross examine. Ray Lewis and pull something out of their their only took the jury forty five minutes to we know that a not guilty plea in order without further do men. I WANNA go. No further with the introduction police work to the show Mr Steve say down the Greek criminal defense attorney. Thank you for that introduction pleasure to be here with you right I mean we spent a whole hell of a lot of time together. Yeah that was some time ago Time that would have been better spent by both of us and we wouldn't have had to work on your case. Yeah now a lot of times people ask me you know Oh me and I I hear when other guys catch cases gun cases. I won't treatment. How did he our work that deal? How did he how did he get such a favorable outcome? Can you shared a little light on the circumstances that surrounded my case. Well first of all you got to be. Ti if you're not TI. You're not going to get not I treat well when you say that. Do you mean rich famous or good looking charismatic. All four all four the reason your case. He's turned out the way it did is because there were weaknesses in the government's case and we were able to figure out what they were. Once we figured out what the weaknesses were. We return to work out negotiation. That didn't require you to do anything. Besides be yourself right on and when we say weaknesses this is just a point out a couple of them So the informant. who was a security guard of mine? Decided to tell me that I need did more better equipment which is firearms and when he went when he got the money and went to go. Purchase this equipment which was is intended to be purchased legally to save money and put money in his own pocket. He asked the person the clerk at the gun store if he could good bye illegally and that is what made the gun clerk call the ATF. And when ATF showed up he said my name correct correct. There was a pawn shop. That was being investigated already in. That's where he had gone. who had gone to that place right and when he was looking for firearms firearms they turned on him to help the owner of the store? Out Right set his ass up who and once they said his ass up the only thing may want it out of it was you. That's right and he came and said my ass up as so machine guns and silencers. He comes into the car and before or he could leave. Because I wouldn't accepting the equipment because it wasn't what I was expecting But before he could leave they did they bust so okay quite naturally the guns that he brought was still in his possession. I never took possession but I did have a gun. have up under the seat which they say well we still got you for that too. They found out it was the informants he purchased that made him realize that. And I'll tell you we we. We were sitting around a table with seven federal prosecutors and the defense team and they were explaining. Why was that you needed to enter a plea too much more time? And I said Y'all aware of the gun that was found in the car and they said well. Yeah of course I said do you know who the registered owner of that gun is and and David Nahmias who is now supreme court jobs in Georgia and Sally. Yates who was number two in charge right. Look down the line to the people that were handling handle and said WHO's gone is it and they said well it's I said well I know who's GonNa because I've got the paperwork right here and it's not. Ti's is it your informant and they said excuse me we need to have a few minutes here. Can you give us a little time to talk and shout out to the rest of the defense team. Absolutely Ed Garland Don Samuel Dwight Thomas Jefferson Janice singer. Listen this is the best criminal defense team that could have ever been put together on my behalf They were paid handsomely probably not as much as they would be paid today day right all right. Oh well to shape but I. I can't say enough about what you guys did for me in one of the darkest moments of my life so I truly do appreciate that. Hey listen who doesn't wanNA find the best brands. In our lifestyle categories combined with fast free one day shipping free returns in twenty four. Seven customer. KIP You were. You can't in everyone else can. To various ship. Very shop is a new online shopping site with fashionable brands. That you need for every moment in your life okay. 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I and my Promo Code new various APP customers can take fifteen percent off of the first purchase just to try it out. Just go to shop that use my code. CIP There's very shop B. E. R.. I S. H. Over dot com with the code. Ti Guess what you get for that fifteen percents off your first purchase exclusions apply the goal. Here man get flat. You can thank me later. Let's talk about one of the things that I still to this day. Half to continue to explain what about the commercial that all of a sudden was mandatory for us to do so we could complete community service hours at the last minute. You recall that. I don't get after remind where it was a it was a crime stoppers commercial and it was directly it was I think it was directly from not if not the judge but on the other side we need to do this. We want to do this. And we calculated our was to the tea and all of a sudden they couldn't find so many of will but if we did that we were going to be squeezed out. I tend to remember that a little bit but I don't remember exactly how it came about but it was one of those situations in which it's like you got it all worked out. Yeah but then the Fed say by the way. There's just this one little thing this last one had to it which is not unusual. Unfortunately in many cases we pushed I and at least me I pushed it off in void. I try not to do. It didn't WanNa do it and finally like hey man what you do man you're going to get a plea bag or you're going to go on and do this. She and I went on and did it reluctantly. And I still deal with today. But I'm GonNa tell you so I'd much rather do a commercial than cooperate. Well and you know how long we've been having to fight that battle because no one could believe that you did as well as you did right without cooperation. That's right everybody all the time always asked me about I didn't Ti snitch. Who in turn on and I keep trying to explain to him? No we just worked the case the right way. Got The right disposition. Absolutely absolutely as you've you've done many times before another couple times. Do you recall the time when I got a subpoena to Cincinnati or I do and and my response to you was fuck them and you said No. That doesn't work like that you all three million dollars ball and right. Now you'll supervised release a judge. Cincinnati has subpoenaed you to come here and if you go you lose your bun okay. Okay then you know you probably hear in contempt. So that's another charge and then you know what I'm saying. You put your case which is looking better but you put it in a much worse set of circumstances those types of conversations but you have to have those kinds of conversations with your clients like what goes through your mind how to convey these messages. Well I tell there's probably different ways to do it but I'm one of those kind of people that just tries to deal things directly straight on right on. I'm not much of a hand holder. They don't tell people things that they want here. Because that's easy way out. I just say what needs to be said and hopefully my climate understand. I'm looking out for them. Because that's the whole reason in but I do what I do and the only reason I do what I do as real we've had a lot of tough discussions man and I must say you've never bullshitted me you've you've never led me astray and you've never told me something that you for sure if certain about you know what I mean and that's hard to find in league representations -tations it's. It's the way to do it. If you want somebody to respect you back right you remember. We actually had a conversation once while your case was going on in which somebody was is telling you that the best you could do was three right and I told you the best she could do would be a year in the out for year and a day right. And what'd you get. I got a unit day. Now let's get on my case and that was just you know these things that I feel like people may find interesting about my case but you have so much more to talk about. Let's go to like the true origins of Mr. Say his decision to become a lawyer. Did you always know that you wanted to be a lawyer. Sage eleven apparently from what my daddy had told me it was a TV. Show called the defenders okay with EG Marshall and Robert Preston. ooh And it was about criminal defense lawyers. Apparently I was watching the show at that age and turn to my dad said. That's what I'm GONNA do. I wasn't quite sure what it was but I knew that's what I WANNA do so in high school. When kids got in trouble I looked after him where it in college when they got in trouble? I looked after him in law school when they got in trouble I looked after him and then just came out to be a criminal. Defense lawyer said No. You want to be a lawyer is one thing. What was it about criminal defense? People need to be looked after and protected. They gotta be protected against the Government Boo because the government doesn't give Shit about most folks folks give shit about taking care of the rich and powerful. That's right and it just looked to me like people that needed to be defended. Something like do I just had a little creativity. A little bit of aggressiveness. Figured I tried it in the right direction. And you never flirted with the idea of being a district attorney one fucking second. Never thought of a civil law not at all never like entertainment and then like that. Our entertainment is when I get to play in the courtroom and you take extreme pleasure in cross examination. I got taught by the best. Which is Bobby Lee? Cook Cook was the best criminal defense attorney in Georgia and when I started in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine I was working with another great lawyer named Eddy Garland. Who of course you know right? Oh and I was fortunate enough. Have to be brought into a huge largest pornography case in history United States platoon to being tried up in Rome Georgia. Okay in Bobby. Lee Cook with the lead lawyer for the defendant. His name was Mike. Beavis in any Garland Representative Corporation who had ten weeks baptism in federal court in Rome Georgia working with Bobby Lee and Eddie I actually got sworn in as a lawyer during that case. What in Bobby took a liking to me and he became my mentor tour? Okay and I picked up everything that you could possibly pick up from somebody. Who was as great as he was? He's still alive. He's still great right. He was He and Eddie taught me a whole lot. Each one of them had different style. Bobby could beat you over the head till you had to give up. And he had more charms little finger than I had my whole body. I mean what are the main characteristics and traits that you feel like make a good from defense attorney of creativity In a willingness to take risks even though the chances are they may not turn out in the right direction be reasonably awards. Yup Creativity is a key. You gotTA figure out in advance where you're going to be and then figure out how you're going to get there right now. You've you've tried some enormous most cases one of which the anniversary is coming up on a years With the Ray Lewis trial the murder trial. Ray Lewis and your client. Who was his co defendant? vind Joseph's tweeting right. Oh So tell me how. Tell me about this case in how it worked out the intricacies of it. I got contacted by a lawyer down in Miami see if I wanted to represent Joseph Sweden and I signed on along with that lawyer. reuss Harvey Bruce. He represented going Ponytail when the finest lawyers around he represented co-defendant name Oakley Okay and Eddie Garland and dawn represented Ray Lewis. Okay Okay and from the very beginning. Nobody had any money except Louis so they put together the fence night and the trial went amazingly. Well I mean there were a couple of things that happened happened early on that seemed to make it that everyone was going to be acquitted and then three weeks into the trial three weeks to travel. I get a phone call on Sunday night at ten PM from a reporter in Baltimore. ooh Who said what you comment on Ray Lewis cutting a plea deal. What and I said it's too late please Sunday night? I'm about to go to bed and don't be fooled with me. So no he's cut a plea deal. He's going to testify against Sweden and Oakley tomorrow rose criminal visitor was going through your hair at this moment. What the fuck happened? So you've identified the fat the what the fuck of it all. How do you now plan a contingency immediately? Turn your attention to if he's going to testify. How is is it that I'm GONNA use him to my best advantage and it all depends on the type of person who's going to be on stand by so eye contact One of Lewis's lawyers confirm it was true. I was told it was true. Okay and on that. What really Monday did they tell you why they hadn't spoken to you? And I've been told that I wasn't retold and all about the deal because it was super secret and I wasn't GonNa fuck it up by knowing about in advance and that the ravens had made him. I'm doing it because by doing that. He could guarantee he'd be able to continue to play. Football gets so that Monday we gotta continue into twenty four hours okay and the defense teams. That were still left got together and everybody said we got to attack. Ray Lewis said Nano said that because normally when you have a cooperating braiding individual that sat in the courtroom with you is you figure you got to attack him on his motivation for now having cooperate. Okay do but you got to keep in mind who it is that you're dealing with. This was a number one linebacker in. NFL Probably Still no-one linebacking doc. NFL history. Who would fight against anything? So all I needed to do was set him off by attacking him and he detect back right. Now I'd sat with the man for three weeks within arm's reach of him but interaction every single day in fact every time a good looking woman came into the courtroom and okay. I'd send him a note and I'd say it's this one of yours right back and say yes. It was relationship that we developed over poor over the course of Bloomberg So so they wanted to attack them in your your response to that was there's gotta be a better way and I was told by lawyer for Miami. There isn't a better way and I never spoke to the man again that man. Because I told him I wasn't GonNa do that so I went home and I figured out the way to do it and I got a phone call from Lewis's lawyer who said what do you want Louis What do you want to know from him? I said just tell him that. Everything's GonNa be alright. I'm not GonNa try to embarrass him. I'M NOT GONNA make it frustrating. I'm not putting him on on the spot. Just listen carefully and follow my lead. But I didn't hear anything back So Tuesday morning he testifies for the state. Okay and in court. TV is there. And I'm on my feet getting ready to start my cross and he's sitting on a witness stand and I'm sitting standing behind the podium and I look up and he winks at me so I knew he'd gotten the message right. Oh and forty-five minutes later it ended with him dragging my client across the courtroom to show what had happened to my client on the night of the incident that he'd been dragged by the folks that wound up being killed who and and that's how it ended when the jury went to deliberate. Took them forty five minutes to find my client not guilty and it because instead of attacking Ray I used him. It's like when you have a vampire you can turn somebody. Yeah that idea so you found a way to turn it. It was a seemingly a tragedy into a triumphant outcome. That's a nice way to put it. That is a something that you can teach You know I'd like to say that that you can but the fact of the matter is you gotTa have it. I mean it's no different different than being entertainer and what you can do what others can't do right. It's the same idea absolutely. I mean I mean people often tell me I would be a good lawyer I. I don't know what it's like to argue that I don't know if I agree with. I hated school so much. I just don't think I mean actually do you think is in analytical thinker Someone who's cool under pressure a researcher like it's everything it's all those together. I do my own research always half okay so Harry first thing I do in the case is look up law because how am I go put together the right defense If I don't know how it's GONNA fit into the law and I don't want anybody else. Tell me what it it is because be perfectly honest. I don't think anybody else can do it better than me. So why would I wanNA have them do it. I don't get lazy doing it that way. Okay so we're going to take a break from the show to talk six go six. You know what I'm saying. It's twenty twenty million. I mean I'm entitled. Are you ready to have more successful sexual encounters I'm talking about a longer less satisfied stress-free experience in the bedroom and that can only come confidence. You know what I mean in order to get their confidence okay. 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Yeah and the entertainers were talking about or black doc entertain absolutely. This is true. It used to be that you couldn't ride around in Atlanta. If you had a nice car and you were black you had to be drug dealer. The only thing you can do now you you can add entertainers to them. That doesn't change the attitude of a lot of people as far as what should and should not be allowed committed and of course I mean young young black successful arrogant men are the most feared creatures on the planet. Get understand completely but it used to be a time where people want it to be successful and wanted to be famous and known Because they thought that would give them a certain level of seniority when dealing with the low okay so so now is the other way around now is like I'm going to build my career off of you. I'm GonNa find it even though if you're let's say it's a a hundred pounds of marijuana. I'm GONNA treat this hundred pounds of marijuana for you because you're entertainer much worse than I would treat it for. Joe Joe Blow. WHO's just a regular guy you know off the street? You used to be able to kind of a song that you have a more favorable outcome because you're not saying it. The work that were not now works just the opposite was just the opposite. Way It with people like you get like Cosby Weinstein now oh r Kelly all have been accused of heinous acts. I'm talking about some terrible Shit but Canada. The same shit is Elvis. If you think about it you know what I'm saying sure you know what I mean So what is it about now that you think the people are like no. We're GONNA make them pay. I guess with the three you just suggested. I think you've got an undercurrent that that's more so than just normal entertainer manner. I mean you've got with the METOO movement and rise in strength of women black and white right you've got law enforcement believing that they can make huge gains in their own advancement by going after people that have committed in Dr opinion terrible crimes and therefore to be looked at by the community as acceptable when they get prosecuted to the fullest. I mean that's what happened with cosby. Yeah but for a little drugs that he's supposedly used it's no different than anybody else. R Kelly underage girls continue doing it. Weinstein uses power authority ready. Let with each of them. The biggest problem is somebody wants to use them as a stepping stone for their career for their career right which which really is not. That unusual always gone that way it just which people stepped on during what time and part of civilization. Yeah and let's talk about another case that we I guess we we haven't really spoken by Too Much Epstein. How Much Do you know about Epstein case and can you elaborate elaborate on what your reaction was? I heard I know a little bit about it Not a great deal. I know that he was smart enough. That's the word to hire the most powerful lawyers he possibly could to look after him in Florida who managed by doing so to get essentially deal century But he didn't learn from that now. What was the deal of the century that he got? I don't know about this part. The feds were going to indict him. For what would have been considered sex trafficking okay. But he managed to get the feds to back off of it and have the state of Florida data prosecute him instead. Okay any spent some time in county jail all the privileges one would ever want by post to be prosecuted by the feds. Spending time in federal custody is so you mean the county jail where he essentially supposedly hung himself. No No. That's we're talking about down in Florida. He had arrangement that he could have visitors. You could go to his own place during the day. What it was it was was as good a deal? Almost a good deal issue and he managed to get out of all the trouble uh he continued doing it And when the metoo movement hit again so what year was this this is in the two thousand in two thousand and four thousand five guys you get you. That's when he had Dershowitz as a lawyer he had all the power. Everybody that knew Anybody right this time around. You know he had A. US Attorney's Office Southern District New York. Okay who said you know what we're going to go after you for all that because there's no statute of limitations for that kind of criminal activity in the federal system Which is why he wound up getting arrested? Why he wound up not getting bail? And why if you buy into it why he killed him so now you said that he had the most powerful attorneys who knew everybody. I've heard you say that you don't really pay look with judges or district attorney's nothing. It's not my style not my style. I'm I'm just not that Nice Guy. I hope to reach favorable outcomes based on mutual admiration and respect in hard work. ooh That's not to say that on occasion. Somebody doesn't remember me and give me a good deal but in fact I can tell you this real quick story years ago I represented a man who burned down around a courthouse in county south of Atlanta. Okay and went up against one of the meanest prosecutors. I've ever gone up against first name was Caldwell Johnny Caldwell Okay he just beat the living shit out of me me and the judge managed to work their magic. My client client got himself a convicted years later. Johnny Colwell became a judge in the same county. And when I used to go down there. Okay he'd seen me sitting thing in the courtroom I soon as he came in he'd say Mr Sayed Al.. I know you're very busy. Man Need to get back to Atlanta. We're GONNA handle your case I down but that wasn't because we were friends that was because we had been adversaries and treat each other with mutual respect from our fight the courtroom right to have a real question but I read Noda Institute. I'm asking you anyway. Do you like money. Yeah money you know legal tender Federal Reserve the CATTA stuff that you you you take in stores or you you take in places where you own your own deals and have debt and you give it to him and they acknowledge knowledge what you've given them and they they basically take away your debt from or give you something that you need money. Do you like it assumed you would well the the. NFL season is a quite over yet. NFL action is still hitting heart. Now that we know who's in the Super Bowl you gotta research you gotTa do all get shaky stats find out. Who's playing find out WHO's injured? 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Things that are legal things that are legal in Colorado. Yeah yeah that's right. So you're California cornea or Oregon or Washington state or Nevada or Michigan or soon to be New York. And how do you just rattle it off like the you know all of the legal things I stay up on those things that could affect my clients and their potential situation. Now what do you think combat the marijuana industry now becoming a billion dollar legitimate business but still prosecuting again incarcerating citizens for doing the same exact thing it's It's not double standard. It's worse than that. It's now used As a way okay to get at certain groups of people that's what particularly what's gone on in New York and the stops and blacks that have been prosecuted for small amounts of of marijuana right. It's misuse moved. Continue to be misused by police officers that that want to take advantage vantage of certain groups of people abuse at thority. We know we know a lot about abusive authority. I mean it's always will continue. It's just a question of what technique technique is used or what item is used to do it and what the mode of well we know. What the motive enforcement officer making thirty thousand or forty thousand dollars a year right The only thing that compensates for that unfortunately is you're supposed power authority fringe benefit. That's it yeah. Now you've been a part of severe high profile cases Are there any that you just saw. There's absolutely no way I'm going to win this one. But she did. Yeah probably the case of Howard K Stern in California because he was he was hated universally hated because everyone everyone believed he was responsible for giving drugs to Anna Nicole. Smith who who who passed away in the Bahamas and then he fought for To be the father of the young girl that was that was born and he lost that fight. I mean he was hated right and we went to trial in Los Angeles. It was county in California. What was it what was on drugs? Sending drugs out to Anna Nicole Smith during jury selection. First thing I ask. Is there any of you. People let don't dislike and they were but a few hands. Most of them had already formed their opinion right when the jury he came back in they found him not guilty had what was the. What was the journey of that? How did you arrive to such a conclusion that allow them to change? Had the how can you change. How someone because he really was a nice guy he just had a public image which is terrible so I was able to draw out from certain witnesses is that he was a good guy and he really cared for her and really try to look after and I had a prosecutor that overplayed her hand who in the judge didn't like her so he gave me all the benefits that I needed in the courtroom to do my work? ooh I have seen. I have heard and experienced that it most times when you dealing with legal cases trials and just you know courtroom activity. It's very rarely about legal and illegal and mostly about. Who has the better explanation? I think that's probably a fair way of saying it many times. It's about who tells the best story. Yes as long as you got a few facts to work correct. That's the hardest part of being a criminal. Defense lawyers are many cases where you just don't have those facts. You look forward to a situation when you do. Because if if there's any magic to be performed right it's when you have a few facts that you're going. Oh Man tipsy I hear and I won't everyone in in your family. Everyone at your job every person you run into to subscribe to expeditiously with me. is exclusively. Oh Apple podcasts broadcaster. podcast where and when you invite them to subscribe. Please don't get to leave out the most important fact of the matter if you listen to this show and subscribe to it quite frankly. You'll look better so I did you. I know you're not ready for this. And the expedition continued. And you have been an awfully non judgmental person you know what I'm saying especially to me and you have to be. I feel to be An attorney was there ever a point. Your career will you feel in your opinions begins you more. Rules have prevented you from doing your best job or you. You refused represent someone but just because you just couldn't do it not from doing my best job. Yes refusing certain types of cases. I will not handle child molestation cases and if someone comes comes to see me and it's that kind of case what I will say is if you're innocent. I'm the best way you're ever GonNa have like on the other hand if this is one of those situations in which when it's all said and done it's GonNa look really bad. I'm not the right guy. ooh best go find somebody else to look after right. That's the only kind of case. Do It on right and we mentioned earlier like we we did. It wouldn't have first time meeting when when I hired you for the Gun case. I came. Aim To you before correct when when you were still struggling. How villa struggling to become an artist but still being arrested? I didn't know less and I needed. I needed some powerful representation and You couldn't do it because there was a conflict of interest Correct you're representing someone who was also potentially could have been on that case. Could you can say. Are you able to say who. I'm no okay all right The concern at that point was that I couldn't give you all the protection you needed because that that could affect my other client gets you. Which is why wisely enough I sent you onto Dwight and and we worked at at its best we could do is is a phenomenal nominal attorney And I think for the audience talking about Dwight Thomas White Thomas Definitely Dwight Thomas of Atlanta And Dwight Thomas who introduced me to Steve. So we all have we have conversations about we we hear about certain people catching cases isn't so on and so forth we have conversations must each other about cooperation this then the other. Will you represent someone who decides to cooperate. The the answer that I would like to give is no but it's not true. There are a group of lawyers And I give them full credit. That will not handle those kind of cases but when someone comes to me and they say I want you to look after me I want you to do. What's best asked for me right? If I get hired under the circumstances I gotTa do it. That's real But I will tell if somebody says to me a you know. Should I cooperate. Who My answer to them is? That's your call. I will never tell you to go in that direction right but if you choose to go in in that direction and I'll do what I need to do to get you your in your best possible result. I prefer not to right and I think known as not doing good rather be in a courtroom trying trying cases. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't. I mean I say that because you're you're natural Just instinct how you you are as a person as a human you will to win which means I don't want to be working on the side of my adversary. Yeah Yeah I WANNA be in a courtroom taking on my adversary making him or her do their job because they do their job if they do it the right way and they win. Well that's just the way things go but I don't. I want to be part of their production in getting somebody else unless I have no other choice then makes artist in which is why. I don't sit when someone decides to cooperate operate. I don't participate in the cooperation I'm not part of the planning. I'm not part of the sitting down and discussing being the facts and what should be done. Once they've made that call and I've cut the deal. Game is on their shoulders. Not Me for the people out there. What are right like the intricacies of Cooperation I? How do you arrive to such a conclusion? If I don't think I can win. ooh If I don't think that my clients got a chance of winning a courtroom in the risk of going forward in a trial far far exceeds the chances of me me being successful right. I won't tell them to take the risk. Give your best idea Let's assume you get caught with a kilo of cocaine. All right okay just one just sworn Bam Bam two weekends worth Okay and it's in your vehicle right and they've got a wiretap and they've got you talking about having just picked it up right now you come to me and say I want you to represent me and I said okay. Fine pay me. The fee fees paid go. Can they say all right Tell me what are the chances of me walking away from this and I look at them and when I say slim to none after the theories. Okay you don't get full representation until after you've paid so if they say well you know what my options your options are. We can fight fight as long as we can write or You can decide that you'd like to try to cooperate. Cooperation me cooperation. If it's with the feds means you. He's selling your soul to the feds you now become. Essentially I hate to say this way become a slave to the fence. Yeah and you're going to do what they tell you to do in if you're not willing to do you wouldn't do it all the way. Don't do it stay out of it because it ain't going to work out and that is I think why in our culture is so who frown Of course it is an and it should be because it's always been used as a means of take advantage of certain certain groups it also makes it to where you're back into the old day law enforcement didn't have to do their job as much as a defense attorneys like you would have to and simple for them and like you said I. It's reminiscent of you know when when people I hear you tell me what forming the underground railroad free slaves from from from the from the Plantations there were other slaves who were telling win these actions were being taken place and the Outcome was catastrophic so things like that today are reminiscent of being absolutely and what the system is set up particularly the federal system with with mandatory minimum sentences. Like that you can't get under these mandatory minimum sentences. I without some form of cooperation. Right why you'd think white guys don't really care much about it like you know like nobody they. They don't really they don't have any kind of I don't think they care there. I'd I'd say for the most part you're correct but I gotta tell you there are group. Okay who have simply they'd take the position Ain't GonNa happen representing someone right now. Okay who who His position is you know I've done what I've done and I'm going to fight this till then in wind up going away for a long time that's just the way it works. I knew what I was getting into this. I'm not putting anybody else in the position that I'm in by cooperate. Ns It makes it great for me. Then I can just put the conversation sation aside and say let's go to war that silent and I think even more so is when people cooperate not just that okay you told on somebody who was connected elected into this crime but now you gotTa tell all the intricate details of the crime and how you were getting the way for as long as you deem absolute and a whole history and so now et cetera. But essentially you tell everybody else who committed the same crime after you. You know what I mean. There's no question about it. That's when the feds. I want you to cooperate and I speak about the feds. Because it's it's it's easy to do it on a national basis like they expect you to open up and tell them every damn thing you've done and who who the hell you did it with you and if you don't WanNa tell them They don't consider it to be real cooperation. And then you gotta sit back and say now. I've told you all this when my we'll get out of it right because they don't want to tell you what it is upfront they wanNA see your performance. I so there's a huge case. Of course you know the Guy Takashi six nine who told absence his gang members now one thing about you know my case before I entered my plea. We already knew what the time was that I was looking at it received correct we had we had what's called a binding plea deal right which is very very very unusual. It almost never happens in some judges will not accept it so i WanNa know how we got that for me and also WanNa know. We wouldn't accept anything else but I wasn't going to give a judge chance to fuck you over once we entered into it and unfortunately that's what would have happened. We had a good judge man. But the undercurrent would have been. I'm GONNA treat him like I've treated others lie. which meant you were going to jail for a number of years either? Let that happen open. You and that's what makes you in my. Is You end the rest of the defense team that represented me yeah. I think y'all are the best. They're all you know what I'm saying. At least the best I know so. He testified he cooperated. He did everything that they asked him to do. He told her mother fuckers wondering own the case he told Own Cardi B. told on Casanovas. He told Jim Joe saying names is not even know his case and he was expecting to get in a a month or so they say now. Bro You still have to do some more time. So you basically essentially sold your soul. Gave them everything it is that you have to give and you steal of at their mercy always. That's that's what's wrong with the whole system if you can't cut the deal for certain who which is binding plea right right You're always at their mercy because they'll come in and say well you know we didn't promise you anything we told you. We'd bring our your cooperation operation to the attention of sentencing judge. We've doing that. And now we're also recommending. You spend some significant time in jail is is let me ask you a couple of just just some some some rapid fire questions. What was your biggest win? The case you call your biggest win gold club. Go Club case. Tell us the details of golf club case my client owned the Gold Club in Atlanta. The feds went after him big time. They wanted twenty only years. They took down everybody that he knew we tried the case for three and a half months it was going so well for us that the lead prosecutor was not told that another federal prosecutor was sent into negotiate the case without out his knowledge and we reached negotiation and the only negotiation. My client would accept was that everybody else would either get probation. It'd be let go. He said I'll go to the jail for a year. I'll take these people stayed loyal to me right But he got what's called a global deal that he couldn't be prosecuted anywhere. Learn the United States for anything he had ever done up to that point in time and was relieved of all public indebtedness which means that the the irs could not take any of his money you got to keep all of his money living had to do with four five million dollars to the fence. Only I'm you know everybody. You know what I'm saying here. That is kind of like only five merely taking in two thousand five million dollars a year so we talk about hundreds of millions at stake. So what winds up happening. Oh yes so what goes on because this is a great way to end that part so he agrees to do that. The feds call me up and they say well how you GonNa make the payment. They said you're going to wire transferred in. I said no they said well. We're not GONNA take it. Personal checking will have to certify defy checker cashier's check said nope going to be then they said well if it's not going to be wired in it's not gonna be check what's it going to be. I said it's going to be cared. Dalla bills baby and they said well. We can't take cash and I said why the forfeiture is for for five million dollars in US currency. That's what's so they hung up ran over to the marshalls because marshalls handle forfeiture. Right marshals went to the judge. DID THEY WANNA pay in cash. Judge said okay. So what's the problem Dale. So then they call me back and said we'll take the cash having bring down here to Atlanta. I said that's right. He'll get stopped fifty times. They'll take that one boy it gets here. We'll give it to you New York where he lived and they said well okay. We'll get back to you so they called me back and said that. Bi they don't have the ability to do that. Say No problem my client will take care of it so he arranged for his bank. Thank you open up early. He brought in a bag of money action on that occasion. He brought in three million dollars in old crumple up damp doc disgusting money that he had in his basement and they spent the morning counting the money and ten dollars Short Dale Tin same money. They testified that was in his basement. Right that we had been fighting about right is what he used to pay off the forfeiture. he was a great guy he and I've stayed close. I'm not close with many clients. Maybe half dozen. But I've been to both his daughters weddings And he calls me every year every every year on my birthday to say thank you I love you man. That's the that's what is your birthday by the way fourteenth April fourteenth. I'm have to put that on my calendar because that will you will call every year or two So what about U. S. U. S. U.. Greatest win what about the most memorable lost to steal hurts Representative guy in a murder case in. Dekalb County fifteen years ago blue it was an old case It was like twenty seven years old he just gotten unprosecuted Damn And I thought it could be one and I had piece of evidence to you. You know that I thought would make the difference and the judge wouldn't let it into evidence why some legal technical reason has to do with Old Evidence and being able to prove that it was in fact what said on there but everybody had died. There wasn't any way to prove it and I had a female witness And I was so angry at the time I couldn't get it in over cross examined editor and I made. The jury dislike me for the way I treated her. ooh Now he probably lost anyhow. But I felt that was one of the worst performance design ever had and I've always regretted and learned from it. The put the anger anger aside. But that's as losses go. That was one. That's probably the worst aluminum. Ask you a quick question. I mean as a ceiling. Want to know. Are you unhappy with your smile. Are you tired of feeling self conscious photos. Well you don't have to keep your mouth closed or black. you smile anymore okay. Why not make this year the year you strain during ut for candidate candidate live clear liners directly to you and strange not for sixty five percent less than braces? Unlike braces can declare line. There's a comfortable removable and totally invisible. 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You can thank me later now. A lot of things that the people don't know about our conspiracies. The intricacies of conspiracies in how someone who hasn't even been caught we any physical evidence of drugs. So we call a dry conspiracy historic spiracy. Ghost up goes do. Could you explain that and how to avoid that the only way to avoid it. It is to make sure that the people that you've got around you or always trustworthy since you can't possibly do that. There ain't no way to avoid it so anybody could just say I was doing this with him for this period of time and it was this amount of this quantity of dope and is is going to be. It'll be NS. Ever judge of a judge buys into that you can get hit with that quantity adult. It's not unusual in fact it happens. It's more often than being caught with a large load of dope which means somebody an informant would say and not me in tip began making plays two times a week ten keys drop for two years and they go at all of that. Don't end. This guy was a a friend of yours and he had telephone conversations that were recorded just had telephone records showing that he talked to you all the time on the cellphone and Y'all would meet up late at night and ooh there might be a little cash because just the way you're doing business not drug business but just having cash could be gambling. It could be anything right That would be enough so all those phone conversations people be having with y'all having all these big time discussion talking about kilo knowing you ain't buying but a gram at a time that bess she could get. You fucked up Sir just talking about it. You Ain't actually got to follow through with the crime. Heresy if the intention to that's right it's the agreement to do so and it can come back to haunt you years later. Let's assume for the sake of discussion that you've been in business from twenty ten to twenty fifteen right right right and then you made enough money gotTa do business right now you legit you doing the right thing right now. The statue of limitations on conspiracy and federal system by five odd years ago five so on that five right. You're not run yet because it's just turning two thousand twenty one of your friends gets popped state in the business business And chooses to cooperate in sits down and starts talking about you you get dragged back into it even though you may have been out of it for years saw without the drug cases with seven for seven years five so as five years. The federal system is five on almost everything except tax in certain types of fraud Getcha. Gotcha so that's four years in the state of Georgia so for years for the state charge for the state charged on drugs. Okay so you gotta be cleaned for five years before before you you know even think about speaking of that you actually withdrew from the conspiracy conspiracy continued and you didn't take certain actions to withdraw. You can be way longer than five actions to withdraw. You have to basically call out either telling the feds or make it clear to all around you that you're no longer involved in the drug business. What would the that? We actually be in possible you'll be incriminate yourself saying chaps fully involved in the first place why set up that now this I have won a case on withdrawal. Okay how so I was able to show that the man had taken actions inconsistent with still being into conspiracy during the statute of limitations period and and Jerry Body because it is a jury argument as well as legal arguments now. What happens when you say when someone says objection your honor and the judge says to the jewelry we'd like to strike that from the record? Have the jury net. Consider that in your deliberation the jury actually Strahl title. No Hell No. That's why you see prosecutors pushing nat all the time there's a TV show on now that's called bull okay and it's about Jury selection expert. Okay and it's based on Dr Phil. That's what he used to do okay. That's how he met Oprah Winfrey because he was a jury expert on her case okay when she was doing a civil case so there's a TV show on and he sit obviously it's TV v.. So it's make believe but they do that they talk about that all the time that there's an objection And someone else say I. Object moved to strike in the judge will stay struck and he'll turn to the client and say no they're not GonNa Forget. Don't out these things. I think a very important portent for because people are not gonNA stop getting in trouble which means your business not gonna slow down anytime soon. As as long as they are financially responsible responsible and and I don't think that you know the federal government or the just list law enforcement or the legal system they're not going to get any more fair our understanding and decent in their practices or their approach. Anytime soon either not in reality now so you have quite right quite the lucrative business to look forward to which brings me to my next question. How do you know what to charge someone when they walk in the door? Well you remember. I told you about the lawyer. Bobby Lee Cook yes I am. I Mentor yes Bobby. Lee taught me how to charge fees. Okay you just gotTa have the balls to look somebody in the eye and say it's GonNa cost you X.. And if they can't pay X. then you say you know I guess I'm just not the right person for you and you have to be able to you judge your worth Under the circumstances when I was younger I used to try to tell there. Were certain tricks that you could say you. You could say well you know. I don't know how much bond is set in your case. You gotTa tell me. How much can you afford? And if they tell me they could afford a bond of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I know Oh that the money was available right Or they come in. I hate to say this way but certain people would come in with a great deal jewelry on Okay and you look at the jewelry and you say a you know unless that's fake. You can stay right but I don't need to really do that anymore. Fortunately I can charge kind of money but I I want to because I've been lucky enough to be successful man. That's amazing I WANNA say again. Thank you for what you and the team were able to do on my behalf. I still wonder if we could beat that case. Yeah but she had the second one sitting in the wings. That's the woman I was always told you couldn't beat yes. See what he's talking about is okay so I had guns in the car machine guns silencers in the car ahead Couple more more handguns also in the car for protection of course And those all of those we feel we could be because there were never any conversations about silencers right. There's nothing anything about you talking about. Machine gun right and nothing to do with that right. That was defensible but when they went to my house and winning my closet and so I had a vote full of more goods and that presented a bit of a prop. We're not even just the method in which you gained entry into this volt in my closet in domestic bit room of my house was biometric fingerprint. Scan which I thought was very cool 007 type shit to do at the time. And that's the only mother fucking thing that kept me from beaten the entire case I couldn't explain away the biometric entrance and when bathymetric so I have to put on. My thumbprint was programmed to unlock the door of the vault to let me in and distribute the firearms firearms to my security guards. who how sad who were the only ones to touch the good but it kept a record of how many times it was open? Fingerprint opened it. My fingerprint was the only fingerprinting only one program had. I just had a regular keypad entry. Nobody nobody could have ever proven anything otherwise but they would have never gotten a warrant to search my house if not for the inappropriate nature. They did to to approach my car so if we beat the car. Don't we essentially absolve all of the evidence that was found in the house. No because they had to get the warrant even if you wind up beaten the case that gave them the problem with cost to get the warrant. That's one of the more difficult things to ever explained to client. They say you know if if if we beat the case right right. They can't use stuff that they got to begin with or they can't use another case and I have to explain that know. Each step is different even though you may be found not guilty. That doesn't change the fact that it was lawful awful to do what they did at the time and that is the conversation that we had our zony and in my basement at my house. While I'm on house I tend to remember somebody that just wouldn't accept that proposition acting at could not do. I say that we can beat these people. And he's like man I can beat some of it. But if they bring in Gardez guns in and line them up on the table and tell the jury that these were in his house the only access to you don't believe he he possessed any of them in each of these guns would have cared how much time I mean you being a convicted felon. It was ten years for each gun. So that's that's all of those girls that was lined up all the table ten years of peace or we could take a year and a day. I just couldn't turn down to year and a day after that. We just didn't expect you go. Where the hell did you serve of your time? Arkansas Arkansas for city Arkansas winner judge say the judge and and the prosecutors. Everybody said we would like for him to serve his time in Atlanta camp. Not that they would treat and highly successful black entertainer different where they would put him to serve his sentence but they made it as difficult as they could. Yeah and you remember. They even gave you the problem coming home. They did I mean man you know the ego was is is a very tricky monster. It's a fickle mistress. What I mean the ego in that you know just a person person who feels like? I'm going to exercise my authority in whatever way I can in this situation just because I can and that happens a lot the times and you know I happen to have been a victim of it but it did not defeat me it. Put me in a position where I was able to learn lessons build and grow my character in my personality and use the experience you know to help others and that's the key. Yeah helping others. Yeah I guess man you know that to me is just about it except except I would like to know who do you listen to most. Why because you don't seem like a motherfucker who listen to people on the norm? No I'm not real good at that and you and if you look at our personalities paper it don't seem like we're supposed to get along. Yeah well I don't get along with you. Yeah I get along fine with people that I respect I'm just I don't tolerate Bull Shit. Yeah like if you had had to think of three people that you listen to most and why we're number one would be my wife because these reasons. Yeah but I have to tell you really i. Don't listen to Novak that's probably what got you here. Been stubborn in that respect now. Obviously when when my father and my mother was still alive it was a different story. But right right I think the thing that we have in common I believe is just a slight hint of genius in use wrapped in traits of narcissism and the thing about narcissism is if the narcissism is what makes issue successful. And it's proven you right time and time again. It's hard to convince the same idea that you know you can be paranoid but they still may be after you absolutely absolutely. That's exactly it and I think that's what I suffer from. Now we have a tradition here and the tradition in here at expeditiously is that we have what we call a word of the week and the word of the week is usually an indication of the conversation or something I think that would remind us or give us some kind of clue into the personality of the guest and for you. The word of the week for this episode is a plum those of you. That don't know aplomb is a confident relaxed manner when dealing with a difficult situation. I'm using it ascending. So you'd run along to work pretend like you've known as word your whole life despite the heartache. Tom Must be feeling steel dancing with APLOMB. I think that you have handled many cases with APLOMB and I think that it benefits you and your clients for you to have a club when handling juries and district attorneys and even judges and I applaud you for all your wins and in your losses. Because they have taught you how to. That's true I appreciate the Mayor Right. Oh and thank you for coming because you don't have to do this. She says when I'm not being paid for a great buddy of mine and you know probably debased criminal defense attorney of his time Mr Stevens Sadegh thank you and this has been expedition. Thanks for listening to expeditiously they would need ti p. Don't forget to subscribe a podcast. A podcast one hand rate and takes Leeds produced engineered Edward by Casey.
Carla's Reality Update 09/24/20
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So anyway, at the restaurant, they were having this conversation Ashley Michael and that's when she admitted that they're not a traditional couple. Take, a listen. There's a girl who liked me I liked the girl and we to whatever together so. That's kind of the way that you know we have operated in the past. Voice always done it with you. Right and what if I told you? I don't WanNa do that anyone. Ever again but you and I have to be I'm telling now. Here now. You have to tell me now and this. This would be the time for you to for us to. Peacefully exit. Too. Much state. A little free the. Just for Dean. If I find anything else thinks it will. It will be catastrophic for our relationship. We cut live face. So, you heard him say, can we cut now? He said this bear at the restaurant because he felt like they had revealed enough for the show for that particular scene in Seoul the producer. Producer came. Your owner. Jalen. Hill now. But that wasn't a lot. So I'm not understanding this girl used likes girls. She's saying that she fooled around with the girl in their marriage. He knew about it they he participated in all of this she's saying. Participate three participated caudal. When you say -ticipant was he there? Yeah. Well, that's what it sounds like. He knew that he was involved. Home he was in the room when it. Come on now ground come on now I. WanNa know. I did see it. Came Right Carolyn. You need. Yes. What? Said at the restaurant. So you know she's saying she's not going to do that anymore. She doesn't want him to do anything anymore they are committed to each other. That's what she wants and if it happens again, she's done and he's saying you know who was too much at stake the baby and all that she says she's not staying with him just because they have a three month old because that's why they had to cut comedy. That's what he had to cook because He. Let me move on to make you. How would you say make it? You don't think I don't think. That information out in public bane on me. And this has happened before anyway, moving on the girls went to Giselle. She had this party this award celebration she won an award for this book that she wrote that's loosely based on her life as a fiction book anyway, at the Party Nikkei candidates, they have been beeping the entire season they exchanged words. Beefing, went on and on the last scene of the show, all you hear is Karen screaming. Monique. Let her go. Let go. Movie watching next week to see what happens on reality competition show dancing with the stars NBA Legend Charles Oakley Steve Your boy always say country. He gender when he signed up. Yeah. Yeah it's pretty bad. Yeah. So that's reality update follow me at lips by Carl on grandma twitter which gas Shirley. All right. Thank you Carla. Coming up more of today's trending stories, and maybe some sports talk a little sports information from junior at twenty minutes after the hour. Right after this you're listening to. Morning. Show. If you need business communications, US bondage, they've got unified communications, contact centers and communications. API's that'll figuratively knock your socks off in literally make easier but that's it. They're great at all those. They're not great at giving excellent tips on charting your financial freedom or how to consolidate your student loans for that kind of stuff. This show is way better. Yeah. So to recap vantage for amazing business communications money for amazing financial advice varnish now we're talking. Game what's going on I? Know it's been a while since you may have been out of the house living life like you used to. But you know what? There is the open road that still is out there and you should probably reintroduce yourself to it in a Mazda I was lucky enough to drive around in a nine, the last of months and I have to. Say The C. UV LINEUP EMMA's is pretty wonderful. These vehicles are masterfully crafted. 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Astros GM James Click Talks ALDS, Game Four Starter
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That's a great feeling and that had to like, Whoa, put a smile on your face when this playoff season got started especially the divisional series. Yeah I. Mean it's like you said, right there's cows in Texas. So you know these guys are hitting out you know it's it's fun to watch. It's fun to watch when lineup goes out there and produces like we all know and expected it can produce and you know hopefully we keep it going with the with the pressure on here in the playoffs for a little while longer ball's line out of dodger stadium isn't it but a comforting place for some of the players Springer and the rest of it that ball it while it may not be juice to cheers heck looks like it. If you get one up, you got a chance there James. Yeah I mean it's. Time that when seen flying like it is these past couple days and I don't know if it's the drives. Day Games I don't know if it's the ball I dunno, it's just guys can hit but You know a couple of things balls I I haven't even watched him I I saw pop up and I looked down and I was working on what I was working on the next thing I know it's. Wall. So we'll just just a game plan we understand you know that's that's probably going to continue. To get on the ground and let our defense take care of. Pitching today WHO STARTS Well know that if you hours one announce in our. All right. How's that Greenpeace health? yesterday was a great day I. Thought we were good went out there a little light catch. So we're optimistic about and with this, how many hands aren't on deck with the pitching staff in the next two days Away, not Zach, but I'm talking about guys who've pitched. Is there anybody tax that we won't be able to count on either starting or coming out of the bullpen the next two days That can be a conversation that we will have when we get to the ballpark. We'll sit down with Josh strumming and obviously our trainers. We have a lot of information on these guys with the US check to see if they've recovered to the point where we feel comfortable putting them out there. Sometimes, it's not just about what it yesterday or the day before sometimes it's about how you feel and you know what your internal external rotation on your arm and and all of these these things that. We can look at so it's a question we get there. Once we get in get our handwrite guys you have a few but you know when it gets down to game four in game five in these series, it's all hands on deck and the priorities win that game. Worry about tomorrow tomorrow I. Know this May seem a little bit elementary because they're pros and they get paid and covert has been crazy but the travel since the playoffs and looking ahead which we do, you don't have to but. On the road this long is it is it mentally taxing on a team to be gone and not have a date I mean five days in a row and they're gonNA start again on Sunday hoping it's the Astros I mean this is a taxing part of the season that just goes with covert. How are they feeling mentally and emotionally? I don't think you see any evidence of it being taxing on the group. The fact that we warn you know two in a row. Minnesota and then we won the first to hear that kind of St can really boy you can even if they are taxed a little bit but sure on some occasions, you see guys a little down maybe maybe they just WanNa go home. I know I missed my family. We're doing a lot of face timing trying to check in see everybody's doing and it can't be taxing but. You hit it on the head. Guys are professionals when the lights turn on. The lights aren't on during our day games but you know when they get out there when that when that first pitch calm you put that all out of your mind focused on the game you take care of Business James at fair or do we overrate that there's a moment that turn these bats around but it was at the Altoona walked that he laid off a pitch upstairs in the postseason is there one that you can point to why the all the sudden. Gamers in the postseason what's the reason these bats are alive and well, right now against a pretty good Oakley's pitching staff. Well if we knew the answer to that, we would have tried to figure it out. But It's always nice to try to look back and and creates narratives and say maybe went out to walk off. Romo is the moment. Maybe it was you know when the ball started flying out dodger stadium that was the moment maybe was when we switched to calendar from September and October that was the moment. I it. It is compelling to try to go back and write a narrative there but sometimes, it's just baseball and sometimes guys get hot and sometimes they get cold and and if we had a reason why we would go down there and we tell Is this team showing you guts. One hundred percent I mean. There's no question and that goes for for everybody. That's that's battling what what all of us are betting through. We're showing God's dealing with the Kobe the pandemic dealing with the bubble dealing with being away from our families but we gotta go out there and we got take care of business but this team is all got been August. All you. They've had to deal with more than any other team this season and they've done it with APLOMB. If you were somebody hadn't seen these came up and said how's dusty handling the postseason moves and the day to day managing pitching and everything what would you say to them? Oh He's a veteran. He's a pro We even talked about before the series in Minnesota I was talking about said, Hey, none of us has ever been through a three-game series and raises handy bike. Actually I have because back in the eighty or eighty, one I think I think he had to go through Warren back there. So just having that experience and at at force in the Dugout is tremendous but you see him leaning on on everybody. He Leans on Straw me he leans on AC said he leans on Joe with body me I mean he is to go out there and get the information and try to put this thing in the right spot and work we have a lot of conversations. We do a lot of game plan before the game to make sure hey, if we get caught in situations x. y. and Z., we are going to plan ABC and see if it goes sideways on US and If fat go sideways and do with after that. I mean you know it's it's a total team effort but having leader like gusty down there a guy with that experience and knows how to get it done is a tremendous force astros GM James Click joins us for his weekly visit. Do, you believe in game to game momentum in baseball. While there's that old adage that momentum is just the next day starting pitcher so It's it's hard. It's hard not to feel it. It's hard not to. Go Up to nothing and think that you're just GonNa roll and then you know maybe things go sideways on yesterday and you start to worry about the other way but whether it exists or not, we gotta take advantage of it one in our favor and. Take advantage of us when it's not James, I've always been a big believer that you gotta get over weather I'm talking to quarterbacks football you gotta get over the good stuff when you're playing in like this, you gotta get over the good plays in the good stuff just as quickly as you get over the bad plays and bad things that happen which one's tougher to get over and move on after a big day where you're celebrating and slow it down. So you can get into the next game or overcoming what happened yesterday a three-run homer, a walk, a hit Batsman, a couple sacrifice flies, which one's more difficult to move on from. Well when I first got into the game and we Joe Madden manager in Tampa he used to give everybody thirty minutes after the game whether it was win or loss whether it was a walk off win walk off loss you know whether with a game like yesterday or or game like the Games in Minnesota it was thirty minutes, and after thirty minutes, you gotta put it behind you and you move on I thought it was a great movie because it teaches exactly what you're talking about that the game's over we gotta move on. We've got to focus on the next game if we're focused on trying to. You know do yesterday's game over again if we're celebrating yesterday's game too long if we're lamenting yesterday's game too long we're going to get caught I can speak from myself. Personally I think the losses are a little harder to get over and take a little bit more time but I try to live by that thirty minute rule as much as I possibly can especially in the playoffs this year well, we we don't have off days we gotta get moving on to the next game as soon as possible and We got through the game yesterday. I took a little time to take a deep breath figure out where my emotions were and then you go downstairs and you start talking to the guys about what the game plan is for today. And probably a wise move to take out the emotion of it too, and it has to happen. Let me let me end with this you. Talk about you, and maybe you can't speak for all your place but just as an overseer of an organization, which is the GM. Does chatter meaning the you know the the gamesmanship or the chatter back and forth whether it's the as to you guys and you guys in the hand gestures and all that. Does it bother you or you good with a little bit of chatter and Gamesmanship by players and other teams players. No it doesn't bother me at all. Obviously, you can't let it go too far and you gotTa make sure you stay professional. But if we didn't let the emotions get into the game, we wouldn't get the performance out of our players that that we need some of us in our roles have to be a little bit more stoic and a little bit less emotional and try to take advantage of. People when they do get a little bit emotional. But for those players down there they're competing and they are trying to win a baseball game and part of that is getting a little chippy sometimes and it fires you up adviser teammates up. Obviously, we gotta stay professional. We gotta make sure it doesn't go too far but I have no problem with that I think it I think it improves points. James Great stuff hopefully, ins- today, and then we get this thing started in an ACL al.. What on Sunday Good luck today and We'll be listening to find out who the starting pitcher is and we're we're we're Zach fits in and We hope things go well today and you're celebrating for that thirty minutes and we'll see in the AL hopefully in talk about it next week. Hopefully guys. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's James. CLICK ASTROS GM coming right back. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns, no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. Make the reliable investment in reliable energy the Dominion Energy Reliability, investment to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com that's reliability investment dot com.