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Charred body of poker player found in Michigan park

World News Tonight with David Muir

01:33 min | Last week

Charred body of poker player found in Michigan park

"The FBI has joined the investigation into the mysterious death of a professional poker player known as Suzie Q., her burn body was discovered in a public park in Michigan grew up, but her career spanned the country and tonight. Investigators are asking for the public's help to together. What happened? Here's ABC's Renshaw. Right this is Suzie. Zahle Professional Poker Player who went by the name Suzie Q. Raking in a fifteen thousand dollar hand. Tonight the FBI Michigan State Police in an urgent search to find the killer behind her mysterious disappearance. Zach's body was found burned on July. Thirteenth in a secluded recreational area of the Pontiac. Lake authorities are not ruling out her death, being linked to someone in her poker circuit, which spanned across the country to determine whether or not. This is a cover up or this. Maybe some sort of retaliatory incident because of her profession, thirty-three-year-old recently moved from Los Angeles to live with her parents in Oakland County, Michigan. She had just been seen by her mother the night before she disappeared her loved ones. Now saying they're at a loss for who could have taken her life I can't even think how somebody could do that. She was a free spirit in the truest sense. She played by our own rules. She followed her dreams. Bicycle Casino is one of the places where Suzie Q. would play poker. She was just in the L. A. Area a month before she went missing, but tonight police honing in on the key dates July, twelfth and thirteenth, asking for anyone who saw during that time to help them with this murder mystery

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Fresh update on "oakland county" discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

01:00 min | 35 min ago

Fresh update on "oakland county" discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

"6 55 another winning D on Wall Street for the Bulls and comfortable overnight, dropping down to the upper fifties yet again Right now we have partly cloudy skies 76 degrees in Ann Arbor. W W J News Times, 6 31 Washtenaw County Sheriff's deputy is out on bail this evening after being arraigned today on charges of raping three women while he was in college charges filed against 24 year old deputy D'Angelo McWilliams date back as far as 2016 when he was in a frantic eastern Michigan University. One of the alleged victims is a former girlfriend, who is also accusing him. Of domestic violence. Mick Williams has been ordered to stay away from dust and Durban who has already been charged with multiple criminal sexual assaults. At that fraternity, Derek Jackson with the Washington County Sheriff's Department says Nick Williams has been placed on leave without pay, and we will also be starting our own internal investigation Looking into policy violations. Things of that nature. Sandra McNeil, WW Jane is ready at 9 50 Well, just about all the results from Tuesday's primary election, now in In Oakland County sitting prosecutor Jessica Cooper defeating Was defeated by challenger Cara McDonald on the Democratic side. Elsewhere in the county, Dave Coulter. He's not gonna have a chance to keep his job as county executive after beating Democratic opponents, Treasurer Andy Meisner Get in the face Republican Maiko Wall in November. In the county of Wayne Prosecutor Kim Worthy a big lead over the Democratic challenger. With nearly all of the votes now counted. She's not gonna have an opponent in November. Republican people Aceto and Democrat Mary Troyanovsky. They're going to face off to become the new Macomb County prosecutor. Democratic U. S representatives for sheet it's leave, and Debbie Dingell both winning their primaries last evening. Meantime, is the debates is ongoing in Washington over Kobe, 19 relief packages. Heavy. Dingle is voicing her opinion today. It is not that we know we need to do something, the chairman of the Federal Reserve said. We need to be investing. We need to be extending unemployment. We need to be investing in protecting our small businesses. Helping people not have to worry about addiction, helping make sure that we are giving aid to local government. We have to worry about school and worried about public health emergency. The Dearborn Democrats winning that primary last night's and she's now campaigning for 1/3 term in Washington. While speaking today in Lansing was governor Gretchen Whitmer, again urging Washington lawmakers to quote put partisanship and games aside, Governor Whitmer again advocated for passage of the House eight Plan, the $3 trillion Heroes Act passed in May, as opposed to the Senate's $1 trillion aid package, which he says fails to meet the scale of the crisis. We collectively confront Women are again taking Washington lawmakers to task for as she put it, moving too slowly in the face of the pandemic five months since the first cases of covert 19 hit our state five months when we still don't have a comprehensive national strategy from the federal government way don't have a federal mask mandate or a widespread testing plan. When the federal government has not yet agreed on a recovery plan to help the states and locals mitigate the unprecedented impact that this virus has had. John Hewett WWJ, a news Radio, 9 52 mid Michigan now where dozens of Children and staff at a Christian summer camp reportedly testing positive for covert 19 Reported 27 campers and 27 staff members now diagnosed after attending the Springs Ministry's summer camp. That's in Gladwin. They were there last month, roughly a dozen more cases, air now considered probable. On their website. Officials at Springs Ministries says they were informed on July 22nd that a camper had tested positive. They said the camp was cut short. Everybody was notified toe watch for symptoms and now to quarantine. A new report. Finding kids getting back to school on school buses could be a problem. Amid the pandemic. The National Association for Pupil Transportation has produced a 70 page report on ways to lower the risk of transmitting the virus. It's President Steve Simmons says. Bus drivers can't decide what to do if the kid shows up at.

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Trump's tanking in the polls

Campaign HQ with David Plouffe

21:39 min | Last week

Trump's tanking in the polls

"Anzalone, welcome to campaign HQ David Blah always good to hear your voice. Yeah, you and I met I back in Iowa back in the eighties, not to date ourselves, but the answer. Let me start with this. Let's talk about swing voters for minute. Obviously Joe Biden is doing. Incredibly well in public polls I'd assume he's also doing well in your own polling correct. Yeah I think that it's fair to say that. We're seeing a lot of what the public polls are showing that you know. This is in some ways I. Mean you've seen you've been through a lot of presidential campaigns, and as you said, we've been in this together for over thirty years, so we've seen a lot of historical data and quite frankly what we're seeing right in the public bowls and internal is. Is pretty historic right, so let's start with what we might consider. The Swing Voter Side of the ledger, and then we'll talk about some of the turn out registration targets, so you know you have been part of campaigns world. We Lost White Seniors by twenty points. We a static. You guys right now. white seniors or tied of which means with seniors overall your head. Talk about that like why is that? How much of that do you think it'd be maintained over the next fifteen weeks? I think that there's a couple of things you know. When we take a look at swing, voters There's actually like four really important groups that. You know everyone wants to compare how Biden's doing public Poland's with Hillary but what's really interesting about key group set of moved from sixteen. Is that Biden's not only doing much better and leading in most polling with Voters over sixty five, but he's leading with suburbanites. He's leading with independence, and he's leading with college voters, and so those are like four really important groups that not only did trump win, but is you know Romney won right and so listen? These presidential candidates. Have Different coalition I mean people like to talk about the Obama coalition in. It's important. But Biden's coalition, GonNa look different and clearly part of this started in two thousand, eighteen where we saw suburban women Super White Women College Educated Women but also college educated men really move. I mean take a look at Gretchen Whitmer who is a a a client of ours in places like Oakland County Right She also wanted to Comb County Reagan Democrats which is interesting, which also biting one in the primary, so we're seeing these swing. Voters these groups that Biden is bringing around that is different than the coalitions that we've seen. Seen in the past while at the same time narrowing margins within the Republican base with white voters and also rural voters, and keeping on par with our democratic base, right with young voters in women, and so You know when you, of course you know two thousand eight you. You saw this I. Mean when you are moving, and you have a moment, or if you sustain that moment, you tend to do well almost everywhere, meaning that even in the Republican base voters, rural voters and things like that, you tend to narrow the margins, and they're on margins. In tough places. Is just as important as doing well in some of these other swing areas. Now just specifically unseen Yars I. Listen, you know we see trump's jump rating just getting worse and worse on handling the coronavirus eppendorf pandemic clearly seniors Vulnerable the most at risk, and I think they're reacting directly to that risk in terms of feeling like he didn't get serious enough. He didn't listen to medical experts. He didn't have a plan and now with the kind of the surge feel like he's put his head in the sand and I think it's just cost him dearly with that largest age bracket the motor sixty five, and over the last Democratic presidential candidate to win sixty five and over. Is Al Gore so that Kinda gives you an idea. Of! How important this is! Yeah, reminded. Every election is its unique beast so on whether it's seniors suburban voters, you mentioned both college educated women and men Joe Biden right now, doing extremely well. Two questions for you John Do you think he's close to his ceiling there and the job really for your campaign is to maintain those numbers. Do you think there's room to grow? And secondly just how durable do think it is? Do you think that some of these voters are already locked in and is going to be really hard for trump to dislodge them? You get a feeling that where we are today. is very difficult for trump and listen first of all we should say we. We all have a collective PTSD right from two thousand sixteen, and so none of us are getting overseas, but at the same time you know you have to acknowledge the good polls because you know, there's a couple of things that are different from where Joe Biden is from past democratic nominees, including Barack Obama and and twelve. In that, he's also at fifty percent. Right at this point in time whatever what hundred four days and you know there's been no Democrat or Republican candidate you go all the way back to two thousand who's reached that threshold and so you know that's really import. The other part is is that Joe. Biden isn't scary to voters. I mean that's one reason he's leaving with independence. And if you take a look at I don't know the NBC Paul I think is is a good example or one of the most recent ones where I think it's the Fox foxhole. We're Biden is actually above water popularity. Naturally trump is underwater, but trump's very unfavorable is at forty seven percents, and binding I. Think is at thirty one. There's win been one thing that I think when they write about Joe Biden in the primary and the general election is the stability of his vote, right? It really hasn't moved that much. I mean trump's has moved down during the primary I mean. We're biden kind of started at the beginning. He ended at the end. It was very stable. Other people moved all around, but Joe Biden was incredibly stable and I think. Think that we're GONNA see that same dynamic here and we have really in the last several months. The Joe Biden's vote has been incredibly stable it's in a couple of points to the fifty percent mark. trump has moved down right and that is that is a good thing but the stability is important for Joe Biden. One is how voters view him and to how voters view trump. You know there was the I think it was the B. Poll that showed fifty percent of voter said there was no chance at all that they would vote for trump, and so your question is you know, will biden's numbers remain stable, and there just seems to be a universe of voter that is completely cut off from trump and it's because of how people you him prior. Let's think about this. Let's dissect prior to the pandemic. People you know we always heard the same thing. Whether it was you know for for Biden. Her for US Senate race for a congressional race. Is that people disliked? His behavior is tweeting his bowling. He was a jerk They basically just didn't like him as a human being, but hey, you know it's not like some of his agenda and his policies. They like how he took on. The median shook things up in Washington, DC. Now they're problem with him. Is Not only behavior how he reacted in a protest and things like that doubling down. Of Racism but their main problem is. Is that they feel that he failed the leadership test on the three crises, whether it was the health and crisis, whether it was the police brutality protests crisis, and now the economic crisis, which is hurting his economic numbers, and so they're now viewing him His biggest problem isn't just his behavior which they haven't forgotten. It's his lack of leadership or his mishandling of these crisis, so three and a half years in their judging him president. President. They're not judging him as a personality. That is his biggest problem right now, and you know I don't think that you know that's going to change. I think that we have a couple more crises potentially coming very soon, college kids and K. through twelve kids start going to school and mid August and you know it's GonNa be It's going to be really a a really tense time. I think it's GonNa. Be a problem for a lot of communities, a lot of states, a lot of holds and that is the problem. They're going to squarely put. On trump because he didn't take this series at the beginning, you didn't listen to medical experts. He didn't have a plan. And that's a problem I mean. We have more crises coming quite frankly. Yeah, now that's that's a great point and your point about his very under favorable I mean if he's sailing into voting time in late September and October with forty seven percent, unfavorable lombardo grounds He's really up against a wall there so John. I, think one of the mistakes. Sometimes you can make whether it's politics. Are Businesses your opponent? Your competition does something puts. Puts out, an ad or new strategy and you know you're like well. That's dumb and of course I've learned like you better. Take a minute and think through why they think it's smart right, but on this suburban thing what what strikes it's almost like trump got a briefing saying you're hemorrhaging the suburbs and he's like Ooh I. Know what I'll say. I'M GONNA say Joe Biden is going to destroy the so like. Do you see any evidence that that tactic which seems to be front and Center for trump, and his campaign now has any chance of succeeding. Listen I think that you know you and I have been through a lot of campaigns, and when you're in a campaign where you're behind, and you're behind eight or ten points, what do you do you just kinda start throwing things at the wall and he tends to throw things at the wall I. Mean You know in one week? He's hitting us on. China I mean all paid TV the next week. He's in his on. You Know Nafta now. Now, he didn't on defunding the police and so they try a lot of different things out right but the fact is is that trump was up on TV in the battleground states for a couple of months prior awesome. You sure what the number is, but I think it's close to fifty million dollars. We never saw the numbers. Move I. Mean you see that in the public calling right? I mean our numbers actually got better. His numbers got worse even though he was on TV by himself and very high levels as well as with his allies, and so you know now. We're on TV. So now we're in a position to you. Know have our own message. Ever Own Voice of voters see what Biden's about What's his agenda and his vision and again we don't see any deterioration a matter of fact, if the last ten days are any indication and again we don't you know. We don't get over our skis on this but the. The. Number of polls have showed this in double digits. is a good place to be. It doesn't mean that we're not gonNA work hard doesn't mean we don't take anything for granted. We know that we just gotTa fight for every vote and we know that it's going to get closer because that's what thing, but that's just. The natural physics of presidential races but I think that again it goes to the opponent meaning Joe Biden. clearly isn't Hillary Clinton. You were talking about very unfavorable in two thousand sixteen. Trump's very unfavorable was forty seven percent, and Hillary's was forty five percents, so there was a lesser of two evils dynamic. Going on, you always see this kind of analysis of what they call double haters, people who dislike both candidate. Well you can't call them double haters this time because they are. They hate trump, but they just kinda just like Joe. Biden are they dislike politics? Right is so his very unfavorable with that group is you know literally I? Think it's a quarter of trump's, and he wins that group by forty plus points depending on the pulled that you see, and that's actually really important again. They don't see Joe Biden scary. They see him as a compassionate relatable. Guy you know they keep the fact that he's lunch Pail Joe and he's a guy. WHO's GONNA look out. For Working Families and he is, you know someone that one. The trump and their allies throw punches. you know they? They're not sticking like their sticking and past presidential campaign. Right, so I WANNA. Talk about filling in the blanks on Joe. Biden, what you guys have started to do, but I want on I. WanNa talk about battlegrounds from and so you made an important point. which is you know when you've got momentum? Momentum in a campaign particularly national campaign. You see you see you see progress everywhere. It's just not in a particular state or region, so I a couple of questions one. Are you seeing with swing voters in particular? Are you seeing the same strength for Joe Biden in the south in the Midwest and the West and I guess secondly I would've thought. Let's say ninety days ago hundred twenty days ago, trump's floors, floor and battlegrounds. Forty six. It looks like it may be lower. So what do you think is I? Mean I agree with you that you know when you see a poll right now. That shows Biden fifty forty. You know the other ten percents gotta go somewhere. And you know probably more of that comes to trump it goes to you guys because you're bumping up against a pretty pretty good and healthy ceiling, but I'm curious kind of what where? Where you see both, is there uniformity in terms of the movement across the country and secondly kind of? Where do you see trump's floor now? Yeah, well, I do think that there's again. We you know you can talk about Joe Biden's feeling, but really when you look at it, historically all the way back to two thousand is just presidential candidates ceilings I mean there's not a lot of presidential candidates who've gotten over fifty percent. Who won right and so the fact that we're in this divided country and there are third party. Candidates who siphoned off universe. Hopefully it won't be as much as two thousand sixteen, and we don't think that it will be but the ceiling is is is almost as close to fifty or a little above for almost everyone right I mean that just kinda historically has how it's happened. Happened in the battleground states like you, you say whether it's Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin Florida Arizona I, mean he's having trouble getting to the mid forties right I, mean he in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania in Wisconsin in the real clear politics or the fivethirtyeight average of polls, he stood at forty, one and forty two percent now Florida in Arizona and in North Carolina or Kinda GonNa Act like Florida. And North Carolina in Arizona, they're they're always going to be tighter. Right I mean like Scott Ours no always says Florida tight and that's true now we haven't. You in a lead that's above the margin of error. That hasn't happened very often. That, you and I have done enough Florida. politics polling to know that that is a state that tends to tighten up again. I think that we have. An advantage there because of how we're doing with seniors, and we're competing David I. Mean you know it's like this campaign is going to look a lot like you to you like two thousand eight because of where we're competing? The balanced expansion. In the media markets in Florida, well, where do you WanNa? See I mean I. Remember Two thousand like it was yesterday we were. We were up on TV at high levels. Competing with McCain wear Panama City Talahassee. Jacksonville Gainesville, we were fighting the fight in the panhandle. Right and you know. I mean protect protect I four and all that type of stuff. You GotTa do well Miami Dade Palm Beach etc, but when you see a campaign competing against the Republican in the Republican areas That's what you gotTA. Do to win a place like Florida, and a lot of campaigns often have to make the cost benefit analysis, or make the bad decisions, and this campaign, because it's been under great leadership and the reason, a lot of money gives you the ability to run the race. You need to run to win, right? So I want to just ask you quickly third party because you mentioned it and you live through this horror in two thousand sixteen, where trump could win states like Wisconsin with forty seven point two percent of the vote because the third party vote share was. Higher than historical averages right now in your research and it seems to be true in public research. You're seeing that those numbers may revert more to two percent or less that we've gotten used to write, and that's huge because your ceiling is higher than trump's. I would guess at this point right and so I think that I think that this is how I look at that and you know I mean when you pull when you add third party candidates two point, they always get more on the pole than they actually do on election day right I mean. That's just kind of the dynamic, and so you know you have to. You have to test things a bunch of different ways. But I think there's one thing that we all kind of instinctively know that in two thousand sixteen. There were how a lot of voters Bernie voters etc. WHO stayed at home? WHO VOTED FOR GARY? Johnston voted for Jill Stein and ninety nine percent of them who vote did one of those three things were ninety nine percent. Sure that Hillary Clinton was going to be president, and so they were doing a protests about. those voters now know what's at stake. And they're You know their their enthusiasm. If you will to get vote or get, trump out of office is incredibly high. It's an incredibly intense, and so I think that that dynamic and quite frankly Bernie Sanders and his campaign and the Joe Biden and his campaign have worked together on a plethora of issues. will make the dynamics here much different so we don't see that bleed, and and internally we see we see that you know. Joe Biden just has better with Bernie Voters Than Hillary Clinton did in two thousand sixteen well does tighten up. That's going to be such an important dynamic. So, You mentioned You know the Biden campaign. has a very expansive electoral map again. Something we might not have expected months ago. and you know those are pretty weighty decisions. You're involved in those decisions with General. Molly Dylan and Donald other leadership in the campaign, but John when you think about the places that look now plausible. Not Win them, but you know Georgia in other poll out in Texas today publicly had Biden Upright one Ohio Iowa those are likely not going to be in. My view is two hundred seventy electoral vote, but do you think there's a scenario where you could get surprise? Where maybe you don't win in north, Carolina and Georgia, or is there really a stack ranking on these states? Well as you know, there's always a stack ranking and you were at the you know. Know Genesis in two thousand twelve of analytics right, and so there's a there's a lot of simulations things that you know you and I didn't learn about growing up in this business and there's and there's tipping points, states and things like that. I think that at the end of the day again. The leadership of this campaign is incredibly focused and disciplined, and you can see where we're buying TV. It's public and it's always you know reported on. You know we're very focused on the six battleground states, and you know until you know, they move on to another state. We will be focused on those six states in a very disciplined way, because that is the ball game I think that what's difficult for trump is that he's not only communicating in those six days. He is playing defense right now in Ohio and Iowa, so he is spending a lot of money in Ohio in Iowa. Just protecting himself he's also up in Nevada right, which I don't understand, but you know, right. Right and so she's the one that is actually expanding a lot of money. and I can't say in an undisciplined way. He is in trouble, so he has to expand his hip protected. He has to expand but right now. the Joe Biden campaign is very disciplined and very focused and you know will there be expansion states. You know there's a big map on the wall just like there is you know in two thousand, eight and twelve and sixteen, but you gotta be careful, and you have to be very analytical about doing that.

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Fresh update on "oakland county" discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:57 min | 9 hrs ago

Fresh update on "oakland county" discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

"9 50 It's going to be a beautiful day today. Sunshine this morning. Maybe some clouds this afternoon high Today only 75 Very comfortable. W W J NEWS time. 9 31 Big 10 conference football schedule is officially al until we could see some Michigan teams playing early. Nice month. WW Tony Ortiz living Look with those details. I, Tony Hi Tom and Roberto, one of those two Michigan teams that could play early Michigan State. The Spartans are set to begin the season with a game in East Lansing against Minnesota on September 5th. That's according to the Big 10 schedule, which was just released this morning. The Spartans, by the way, will close the season with a road game against Nebraska November 21st. As for Michigan, they'll open up the 2020 season September 5th against Purdue at the Big House, the annual grudge match for the Wolverines against Ohio State that's going to take place October 24th in Columbus as Faras, Michigan, Michigan State. That game this year will take place October 3rd in Ann Arbor. As for the school that's decided it's not going to play its 2020 college football season. That would be Connecticut officials there, confirming a release today that following the advice of health officials in the players they've decided to not play at all in 2020 and hoped to revive the program in 2021 Live at the Sports desk. Tony Ortiz W W. J News Radio 9 50 Police and Monroe are investigating a crash that has claimed the life of a 24 year old woman captain John Wall says the woman's car went through a fence at the DT power plant. And went right into a retention pond and so evident that a vehicle head left the roadway and head crashed into the water. But the location of the vehicle or The driver was Not not phone wall says witnesses helped identify the victim. But there's still a lot that they don't still very active and open investigation. Anybody with information. Certainly encouraged, um Teo contact the Mineral Police department. The recovery mission is on pause right now because the current in the retention pond that the car is submerged in, he says. The meeting's about to take place to talk about what next steps they're going to take. Two out of the three Detroit casinos are set to reopen the doors and less than 30 minutes such as several months of being shut down because of the Corona virus Pandemic W W. J C to be reporter Vicki Thomas Live and local with Maura. Hi, Vicky. Hey there, Tom. I just got a tour of the new setup here at Greektown Casino, including a walk through temperature Check. Check. Sound. Come up here. You good for you. General manager John Drake says there's only one way into the casino now. So you come into our parking Drudge come into, you would come down to level three on the parking garage and enter into the casino walkway. You'll come through a, uh through the walkway and we have a state of the thermal camera setup. You walked right through. We take the temperature, and then you come through our new entrance as well. Security pretty seamless process, so they tried to make it really easy for the customer. There are social distancing markers on the floor slot machines spaced out. Plexiglass installed at the table games and at the cashier windows. The casino reopens two VIPs and less than 30 minutes at 10 a.m. And to the general public at two o'clock this afternoon, reporting live and local in downtown Detroit, Vicky Thomas W. W. J. NewsRadio, 9 50 The best place to find a job last month may have been at a small company. Let's go live to our business editor Murray Feldman with details. Good morning, Murray. Good morning, Roberta. There were 167,000 jobs created last month from coast to coast, 63,000 of them were at small businesses, 45,000 came from very small companies, companies with under 20 employees. The job's report comes from the payroll processing firm ADP. It's based on paychecks they processed last month. On Friday, we'll get the official government jobs report is based on actual surveys of businesses and households across the country Reporting live. Murray Feldman, W W. J News Radio 9 50 Wdbj News. Time is now 9 36 The latest negotiating session on a Corona virus relief bill has wrapped with the modest concessions be made by both sides. Top Democrats emerged from a 90 minute meeting with the Trump administration and the officials there on Tuesday yesterday, saying progress was made in the Trump team agreed with that assessment. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says the two sides set a goal of reaching an agreement by the end of the week to permit a vote, which would occur next week. The vote. Counting continues across metro Detroit, although several races are now decided, but a lot yet to be determined. Let's go live to WW Jay's Charlie Langton for the latest. Good Morning, Charlie. Good morning, Roberto. I just got off the phone with Lisa Brown. She's the clerk in Oakland County. And she says we're so close so close. But Troy, Southfield Waterford only partially reporting 83% of the vote in Oakland County, the big race there. The executive Dave Coulter, 53% Andy Miner, 46% but can't call that race yet, because a lot of those cities that are not reporting well, those air Democratic city is likely someone got away. The winner of that race will face Republican Maiko Wall in November. The prosecutors race there. That one probably can be called Karen McDonald's 66% of a current prosecutor Jessica Cooper MacDonald will then face if it's McDonald Lynn gets attorney in November. Macomb County, They've got 100% reporting and the stage is set for the prosecutors race there. Democrat Mary Shannon Whiskey one a squeaker. She'll face state Senator Pete Placido in November for that prosecutors race Wayne County Prosecutor race Kim Worthy appears to have a comfortable lead now over challenger Victoria Burton Harris. 50,000 votes separate The 2 83% reporting in Wayne Reporting Live. Charlie Langton WWJ a news radio 9.

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Developers of the Atlantic Coast Pipeline announce cancellation of multi-state natural gas project

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:29 sec | Last month

Developers of the Atlantic Coast Pipeline announce cancellation of multi-state natural gas project

"A pipeline replacement project will lead to some road closures in Oakland County this week, the Road Commission for Oakland County, says Radley Lake Road between Fish Lake and lead Stone and Demoed River near Hickory Ridge. I'll be close starting Tuesday. The closures are expected to last less than a week. The construction part of a four phase $610 million Consumers energy project to modernize the Saginaw Trail pipeline. That work expected to wrap up

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White couple arrested after gun pulled on Black family

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:58 sec | Last month

White couple arrested after gun pulled on Black family

"Was captured on viral video, pulling a handgun on a black woman and her daughter in a restaurant parking lot in Oakland County. 32 year old Gillian West in Bergen YR. Husband, 42 year old Eric Westerberg were charged with Polonius assault. Their attorney, Dean Greenblatt, says the client's fear for their lives as a crowd of five day people confronted them. He says the couple of years quote, non deadly force to repeal a threat. What did happen is everybody went home. At the end of the day. And nobody was injured. I don't know if it would have turned out that way had the Western birds. Wait in the vehicle. I don't think the interaction Bye, Mom and daughter and the other people that were present at the time. Was satisfied. With the verbal exchange. That was bad. Couple were arraigned on charges of Polonius assault and are free now on $50,000 bond. Covered 19 pandemic has had

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White couple arrested after gun pulled on Black family

Roe Conn

00:54 sec | Last month

White couple arrested after gun pulled on Black family

"White Michigan couple are facing criminal charges after one of them pulled a handgun on a black family in a confrontation that was captured on cell phone video are Jennifer King, Erik and Gillian Westerberg were arrested after Wednesday night's confrontation outside a chipotle in Orion Township in charge on Thursday with Polonius assault to wake a Hill, who's black, told the Detroit News. The confrontation happened after the white woman bumped into hills teenage daughter as they were entering the fast food restaurant in video posted online. The women can Seen arguing and after someone steps behind the worst inverse vehicle, Gillian Westerberg jumps out and points a handgun in the direction of a person who's recording screaming for people to get away from her and the car. Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard says the couple both have concealed pistol licenses but had to turn over all firearm is the condition of being released on bond. After the video surfaced. Eric Wilson Berg was fired from his job at Oakland University near Detroit. I'm Jennifer

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White Mich. couple charged after gun pulled on Black family

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White Mich. couple charged after gun pulled on Black family

"A white couple from Michigan face criminal charges after one of them was captured on cellphone video pulling a handgun in a parking lot Eric and Jillian Westerberg were arrested after Wednesday night's confrontation outside a chipotle in Orion township and charged on Thursday with felonious assault to make a hill who's black told the Detroit news the confrontation happened after the white woman bumped into hills teenage daughter as they were entering the fast food restaurant in video posted online women can be seen arguing and after someone steps behind the worst inverse vehicle Julian Westerberg jumps out points a handgun in the direction of a person who's recording screen for people to get away from her and the car Oakland county sheriff Michael Bouchard says the couple both have concealed pistol licenses but had to turn over all firearms as a condition of being released on bond after the video surfaced Erik Westerberg was fired from his job at Oakland university near Detroit I'm Jennifer king

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White woman caught on video pointing gun at Black woman and daughter during argument

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:49 sec | Last month

White woman caught on video pointing gun at Black woman and daughter during argument

"An update to a story we've been telling you about here on W. W. J and northern Oakland County couple charged with Felonious assault. After a confrontation outside a Chipotle restaurant and Orient Township will face a judge in two weeks. Julian and Erik Westin Bird were given given personal personal bond bond during during an an arraignment arraignment yesterday. yesterday. They They had had to to turn turn in in their their guns. guns. They They can't can't leave leave the the state state video video of of the the incident, incident, which which involved involved Julian Julian Western, Western, Berg, Berg, pointing pointing a a gun gun at at a a black black woman woman and and her daughters on Wednesday, has now gone viral. Their attorney, Dean Greenblatt, tells us those videos don't tell the whole story client We're fearful for their lines. They're fearful for each other's lives. And that they were going to be attacked. They used non deadly force. Repel threat argument all started when a daughter said she was bumped into while going into the restaurant.

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White couple arrested after pulling gun on Black family

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

01:13 min | Last month

White couple arrested after pulling gun on Black family

"Oakland Oakland County County couple couple now now facing facing Polonius Polonius assault assault charges charges after after pointing pointing a a gun gun at at a a black black woman woman and and her her daughters daughters that that cell cell phone phone video video has has now now gone gone viral. viral. This's not James John Hewitt reports, although their conduct was deemed criminal by the Oakland County prosecutor's office. 32 year old Gillian Woo. Stenberg and her 42 year old husband, Eric, of Independence Township are both legally licensed gun holders with no criminal histories. Still, each now faces a charge of phony is assault punishable by up to four years in prison. The worst in birds, who are white, are seen on video pointing guns at a Pontiac mother and her daughters who are black. The confrontation happening Wednesday night outside of a chipotle restaurant in Orient Township. In announcing the charging decision. Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard noted that his department has received calls from the public on both sides of this incident, which has clearly been polarizing. Leading the sheriff to call for calm. I guess my plea is Please let us all try to be that voice of calm. In the storm. And remember each one of us. Is a human being. That

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White couple arrested after gun pulled on Black family in Michigan

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

01:04 min | Last month

White couple arrested after gun pulled on Black family in Michigan

"Now have been filed against a white woman and her husband. After she pulled a gun on a black mother and her daughters outside of a chipotle restaurant and Orient Township, Polonius assault punishable by up to four years in prison. That's the charge against 32 year old Gillian Woo Stenberg of Independence Township and her 42 year old husband, Eric. A white couple who investigators say pulled handguns on a black Pontiac mother and her two daughters in the parking lot of a Chipotle restaurant, a Dorian Township. Although much of the racially charged confrontation was captured on video, Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard said the incident began minutes earlier on the three were beheaded inside to Chipotle away away on on the the one one woman. woman. Vehicle Vehicle was was headed headed out out with with her her food. food. And And there there was was a a bump. bump. As As a a Internet Internet is is it it One person said they didn't realize they had bumped the other person with food bag and the other person felt they needed to give it getting apology. Then it escalated from there. Julian Winston Burg and her husband, according to the sheriff, are legally licensed gun holders with no prior criminal histories. In

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‘She’s got the gun on me’: White woman charged with assault after pulling pistol on black mother, daughter

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:54 sec | Last month

‘She’s got the gun on me’: White woman charged with assault after pulling pistol on black mother, daughter

"Polonius assault punishable by up to four years in prison. That's the charge against 32 year old Gillian Woo Stenberg of Independence Township and her 42 year old husband, Eric, The white couple who investigators say pulled handguns on a black Pontiac mother and her two daughters in the parking lot of a Triple Tase restaurant, a Dorian Township although much of the racially charged confrontation confrontation was was captured captured on on video video Oakland Oakland County County Sheriff Sheriff Mike Mike Bouchard Bouchard said said the the incident incident began began minutes minutes earlier earlier on on the the three three were were beheaded beheaded inside inside to to Chipotle Chipotle and and the the one one woman woman kind kind of of vehicle vehicle was was headed headed out out with with her her food. food. And And there there was was a a bump. bump. As As a a Internet Internet is is it it One person said they didn't realize they had bumped the other person with food bag and the other person felt they needed to give it getting apology. Then it escalated from there. Julian Winston Burg and her husband, according to the sheriff, are legally licensed gun holders with no prior criminal histories.

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"oakland county" Discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ

Newsradio 950 WWJ

04:23 min | Last month

"oakland county" Discussed on Newsradio 950 WWJ

"Five in Oakland county WWJ news time eleven fifteen it's time for sports thunderstorms on Sunday forced NASCAR to postpone the Cup series race at Talladega superspeedway though right now that is not the big news out of NASCAR as we look at the Associated Press a noose was found in the garage stall of bubble Wallace here's the NASCAR's only African American driver he drives the forty three car again NASCAR's investigating today after a noose was found in the garage of the forty three car and course the forty three car driven by the only African American driver in NASCAR's racing series in a bubble Wallace member NASCAR removed the Confederate flag from display is not allowed even events of their events anymore the racing league has committed to being more inclusive though certainly something like that being discovered this evening is not going to help that Bubba Wallace has released a statement saying that he will not be intimidated he will not back down and he will keep driving that forty three car stay down south moving from Alabama South Carolina a rain delay pushed back the finish of the RBC heritage but that did not stop Webb Simpson from shooting a seven under sixty four today he cards a twenty two under par week told AFP Abraham ancer who finished twenty one under par what's next Major League Baseball the NFL well here it is on June twenty first still no guarantees of a Major League Baseball season but we have learned that if there is a season all teams will have to train at their own home ballpark food a corona virus concerns that means for the Tigers no Lakeland will have to train Comerica park to get ready for the season Major League Baseball ordered all team facilities in Florida and Arizona shut down on Friday due to several outbreaks no word on how an entire spring training roster can make it work with just one fuel commerical park remember than a lake when they have a multitude of fields commissioner rob Manfred expected a mandated season tomorrow if there is no agreement between the owners and the players on the length of the season the NFL Players Association has advised its players not to work out together Americans spend about spreading the virus this advice comes a training camp set to begin in just one month and last I checked in football not only do they work on together they also do some body contact Jeff lesson with sports at fifteen and forty five past the hour WWJ newsradio nine fifty traffic and weather in seconds the latest breaking news in your car or in the office download the radio dot com app in favor to W. W. J. WWJ news time eleven eighteen traffic and weather together on the H. looking through those triple a jam cams still an issue out on northbound I. seventy five right there and he's all part coming out of the city complete freeway closure due to an accident at eight mile road so you cannot get to eight mile road on northbound I. seventy five you'll be diverted to before that so they're coming out of the city this evening be aware that your normal route is not going to be able to be used now it's time for the national electrical contractors association construction alert update in Belleville ninety four eastbound between Ross and they'll road in Hagley road construction leaves only one lane open through five AM and good news on ninety four westbound in Macomb county between I six ninety six and Connor that was also supposed to open at five A. M. but it is currently open as we speak yes in Farmington hills the gas main repair has middle belt road closed between the Grand River in grand river in China wasi that'll be that way through almost the entire summer until late August Rochester hills Shelby township area only one lane open on da Quinta road in both directions between fifty nine and Collins Avenue so basically between hall road in Auburn road at a run through the fall again the major closure I. seventy five northbound eight model because of an accident watching those triple a jam cams in the twenty four hour traffic center now we turn to accu weather meteorologist Carl Erickson a spotty shower or thunderstorm early otherwise a warm and muggy overnight with patchy clouds low sixty six in very warm and humid on.

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Restaurants prepare for Mother’s Day business in the era of COVID-19

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:41 sec | 3 months ago

Restaurants prepare for Mother’s Day business in the era of COVID-19

"Usually this is one of the busiest day of the year for restaurants and food workers but mother's day for us that's you know to read very right there you know can you open a two weeks in the new moneymaking isn't one day right there hi this is huge and it goes all the way around it goes to the staff employees you know it's it's use in this industry and fortunately nowadays everyone see this year twenty twenty three times a trouble for Chris Baker who owns Baker's of Milford the south Lyon hotel then the come back inn of highland all west Oakland county and not just mother's day he and the staff are missing out on the coronavirus restaurant lookout already affecting the St Patrick's day celebrations Easter Cinco Tamayo all typically big days

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"oakland county" Discussed on Daily Detroit

Daily Detroit

08:40 min | 3 months ago

"oakland county" Discussed on Daily Detroit

Small business loans for coronavirus relief are running dry

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:31 sec | 4 months ago

Small business loans for coronavirus relief are running dry

"Time and money running out for small businesses to take advantage of federal funds to keep them afloat during the coronavirus crisis the three hundred fifty billion dollars in the paycheck protection program needs to be doled out into my eyes is the Oakland county treasurer that's a program that can pay for up to two and a half months of payroll for a company of five hundred employees or less miser says small businesses need to begin the application process through their own banking institution or pay pal the loan could be forgiven if it's used for payroll mortgage interest or

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959 Dead With More Than 20K COVID-19 Cases Confirmed In Michigan

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:29 sec | 4 months ago

959 Dead With More Than 20K COVID-19 Cases Confirmed In Michigan

"There are now more than twenty thousand three hundred positive coronavirus cases across Michigan we use information from state health officials also showing nine hundred fifty nine deaths that's up one hundred fourteen from Tuesday Oakland county has four thousand seven cases in two hundred thirty four deaths become county showing two thousand six hundred twenty six confirmed cases and one hundred forty one deaths meanwhile wake county has three thousand eight hundred two cases and one hundred ninety five deaths not including the city of Detroit

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Michigan confirms 111 deaths due to COVID-19

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:55 sec | 4 months ago

Michigan confirms 111 deaths due to COVID-19

"The death toll in Michigan from the coronavirus has surged to one hundred eleven state leaders have said the numbers will continue to grow and are encouraging people to stay away from others speaking live on WWJ this afternoon lieutenant governor garland Gilchrist says we're gonna idea of how these stay home stay safe order is working out next week by the middle to end of next week will be able to see the evidence of that impact but any slowdown in the spread of this virus is absolutely what we have to be shooting for because without this intervention the virus which spread more rapidly and there will be more people six more people may pass away this is already touching so many families in the state of Michigan he'll Chris says he has had friends who have died from the disease and are hospitalized as a result majority of cases are Detroit along with Wayne and Oakland counties also happening today Michigan's major disaster declaration request was approved by the president that allows for more resources including personal protective equipment to flow into the state and to

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Michigan coronavirus cases skyrocket to 334

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:44 sec | 4 months ago

Michigan coronavirus cases skyrocket to 334

"The state health department reporting three hundred thirty four confirmed cases of coronavirus in Michigan most are in Oakland and Wayne counties with Wayne County reporting one hundred nineteen cases including seventy five in the city of Detroit number of confirm coronavirus cases in Oakland county now stands at one hundred five that's according to county executive call her we have five of our patients in Oakland county who are in critical condition and so they are in our in our efforts and our prayers today as we do everything we can to to from a medical perspective while practicing proper hygiene culture stresses the importance of social distancing to help curb the spread of the virus health officials say the large spike as a result of the digital testing going on by hospitals and private

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Michigan coronavirus cases increase by 11, now up to 65 across the state

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

00:38 sec | 5 months ago

Michigan coronavirus cases increase by 11, now up to 65 across the state

"Yeah there are now sixty five confirm coronavirus cases in Michigan the state health department says seventeen cases in Wayne County including eight in the city of Detroit sixteen other cases in Oakland county in twenty five percent of the patients are hospitalized meanwhile wake county health officials say the AMC Fairlane twenty one theaters in Dearborn was the county's first potential corona virus exposure site there now that's getting one case where the person attended a movie on March tenth it was sometime between six and ten PM the case involves an adult woman with no travel history and no no contact with any other person with the virus she's currently in

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U.S. coronavirus cases surpass 1000, Johns Hopkins University data shows

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00:50 sec | 5 months ago

U.S. coronavirus cases surpass 1000, Johns Hopkins University data shows

"Right now breaking news according to Johns Hopkins University numbers and in terms of the number of coronavirus cases in the U. S. and has now topped one thousand we were still talking about nine hundred and forty or so cases yesterday so we did see a bit of a jump in terms of the number of new infections in the U. S. meanwhile we just heard from Michigan as well the state governor as declaring Michigan in a state of emergency this after they learned of its first corona virus case actually two cases now in Oakland county and Wayne County which is home to Detroit one case was a recent international travel one was a case that was linked to domestic travel as well so that's the latest out of the U. S. as they try to contain the spread of this virus and still waiting for those details are when it comes to this stimulus plan from

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Michigan man stuck at sea on cruise ship due to coronavirus concerns

Newsradio 950 WWJ 24 Hour News

03:24 min | 6 months ago

Michigan man stuck at sea on cruise ship due to coronavirus concerns

"The corona virus as a letter we county man and his family now stuck in a cruise ship in the Pacific reached by phone near Vietnam Steve moose says they've been stuck on Holland America's western dam since February first when they they left left Hong Hong Kong Kong you you talk talk with with double double double double Jay's Jay's rob rob say say Mary Mary so so what's what's happened happened essentially essentially from from the the beginning beginning of of the the cruises cruises a a report report is is rejected rejected us us we we did did get get one one day day and and Kowloon Kowloon and Taiwan unfortunately they asked us to leave a day early that report after that does not allow this to dock putting one arm which you may notice American protector territory they will let us come in either that was disappointing we have almost seven hundred Americans on the ship in terms of this they have they found any cases on the ship or they just like overly cautious no none whatsoever basically what they've done when we started the trip they did a fairly good vetting process questioner detail they didn't allow anybody on the ship that was from mainland China they ask questions what women are people were ill etcetera there are no known cases of the virus you're on the ship as far as anybody knows at this point as for the trip to my understanding this was supposed to be an enjoyable celebratory vacation has it been even though you have been able to go to the sports no not really I mean I've got a lot of history cruising you know ideally the did your years going to the porch right going to places like Japan and Korea it cetera so it's not been miserable look at me wrong this is a very nice cruise ship in the the crew and staff intends to nominal they've done a really good job the company's done very good as well so but it's not quite is what we were looking for right we're hoping gets to supports many discussion from the company that maybe they might be able to help you out in the future with that give you guys another run at this yeah no actually a full refund what I understand full refund on current cruise plus an equitable cruise for free in the future so and possible help with flights back home they're being very generous that's my take as for this do you know where you're going to end up in how it's going to wrap up well my hope as well right now it looks like Thailand on Thursday if things go well if they don't go well then you'll be hearing from me off the ocean somewhere else maybe heading towards Europe India who knows it's hard to say give him the day I will be back and arms that within a week and said Michigan of course yeah is there anything you want to add that maybe I've got to ask you about so when it comes to this and I guess exercise into the plant they cation or I'm sorry laugh eight now what eight you know what I I grew up in the state of Michigan I grew up in Oakland county I don't know if you're familiar with it Bloomfield township and I came back for a reason and so you know for me coming back to the state of Michigan is coming home and my family knows that none of course having been born a race like I wish your anyway yeah I'd I'd rather be back you're doing snow in winter rob frankly then sitting in a cabin right now so I'm looking forward to getting on to that's vacationer Steve moves stuck on board the cruise ship near Vietnam talking with newsradio nine fifties rob say merry

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"oakland county" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

09:32 min | 1 year ago

"oakland county" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"The d._n._a. From the hair on chris mahalick did not match chris bush but they did find dini match and if you guys thought this case was confusing before buckle up the d._n._a. Matched a man named james vince gunwales. Although james was in the system now for crimes he committed as an adult as a child he was actually a victim of chris bush and greg green and like many children who are groomed by their molester vince still associated with those men after he got older and the police wondering maybe if he wasn't a part of their like ruse to lure kids like it would make a a lot of sense. Maybe a young kid was drawing them to these older men that they didn't know now. It's worth mentioning that dna. They had was just might akon drill d._n._a. Innate and not a full nuclear profile so while it seemed to match the stats are lot lower than we've seen in other cases like sometimes like it's four zillion to one chance manson's this guy this is more like one out of fifty so it feels like a kind of decent match but also it could be a lot of other men just in michigan alone but now they still still want question this guy so they go to the michigan prison that he's in and just flat out. Tell him what they have. We have your hair on a victim. We don't think you're responsible even if you were are. We probably wouldn't hold you accountable because you're young kid who was victimized and manipulated by grown men. We just need you to help us and he says listen. I can't help you. I wasn't wasn't there. I didn't see anything but i was in chris's car lot like a million times so i'm sure my hair was all over the place so he's not pointing the finger directly at christ's. He's giving them nothing. They could really use but also. I feel like he's kind of saying. It's logical that this victim would've been in christmas card. This is the explanation for my hair and he's not saying chris would have never done it now. They give this guy to polygraphs and he tried to throw the first one for like like god knows what reason he completely fails the second one and answers falsely to these three important questions. Did you participate in any way in the killings of christine heroic. Do you know for sure who killed christine heloc and did you have any physical contact with christine hollick now he he says no to all of them and according to the polygraph failed now if he would have failed that polygraph back in the seventies when they met more. Maybe something would have come of this but in two thousand and nine you can't arrest them based off of a field poly but maybe they could get more evidence to either persuade him or maybe help him like point so chris and greg still had more hairs on their other victims so they needed to keep testing there was a hair on the jacket of our first victim mark mark and two hairs found on the fourth victim tim one inside his enable cavity and one near his groin and to me the hairs found contain are way more damning like sure you could pick up hairs from a car like like we talked about with chris if if it was in his car and she was was put in there that doesn't necessarily mean you did it but a hair on the body of a victim underneath their clothes that means you were with them when when they were undressed that cannot be explained away so they test the hair and the first thing we learn is that the hair for mark and the hair from tim matched just to the same person and i know this might seem like a yadav moment because these four cases have been linked for so long. We've been talking about them for so long but this was the first real piece as of evidence that told investigators that they weren't crazy and that they really were looking for one person but they just had minor cadre d._n._a. On this one too and it didn't match match to anyone but the did match another sample. If you remember way back to the very beginning of the story in episode one the very very first hip police got after mark stebbins murder was they got a call from a parole officer and the parole officers. I said hey check out this art sloan guy he's from pennsylvania. He got in trouble for molesting children and then he moved to michigan the very first guy well detective williams decides to go back and look at old evidence to find new things to test and he comes across the tape samples that were taken from arch loans car you know like where are they just like took as much debris or whatever from seats in floorboard so it seemed worth a shot to at least look and see what they could find when the lab comes back with these say shocking shocking there were in fact hairs mixed in with the debris in his car and those hairs were a match to the hairs found on both the first victim mark and the fourth victim tim so police were thinking. Oh my god this. We have the oakland county child killer. This was the first guy all along. I mean it was shocking to them and the more they looked at arch stone. He looked so good for it. It not only with the past convictions but they also learned that he was a volunteer firefighter back in pennsylvania and volunteer firefighters in pennsylvania use used to get badges and that would've explained so much for years and years people always wondered how this killer got these kids to go with him surely if they would have been forcibly put into a car people might have seen something and it couldn't have been someone for kids knew they didn't have any connection but they i always wondered if it was someone who held some kind of authority someone who could flash a badge and convince the children that they had to go with them without making a scene it felt so right but as you all know this case is still unsolved and nothing is that simple when dealing with a forty year old cold case they can't just use the hair found an artist car to arrest him. They have to get a hair sample directly from him but the hair in his car was at least enough probable cause to get what they need when they test the hair from his head against the hair in his car and against the hair found on the boys it doesn't match no art sloan might not be our killer but this guy is key and he he plays some kind of role and he knows more than he led on decades earlier whether he was involved in the act or not we know his car was involved in at least disposing of the bodies and he likely knows the person the hair belongs to so the person police no is there killer so they have to go talk to arch in prison and where he serving a life sentence for the rape of co-workers child the interview him for three hours they tell him we have hairs from your car on the skin of the victim. There is no way out of this now. They do leave out the fact that his head here is didn't match police aren't required to give all the facts or even tell the whole truth in in interviews if they want to put the pressure on him and make him believe that they have him dead to rights. They can't and that's what they try to do. The want him to give up this other person and but no matter how hard they tried he wouldn't talk and again. Polices hands are tied. They can't go to court with the hairs belong to someone else when they don't know who that someone else is. They plan to keep pressuring arch but then the prosecutor blows up their chances she was running for reelection election and out of nowhere years after it happened she decides to tell the public about the hairs found in the car and the fact that they did not match arch now this ruins and you leverage police thought that they had now arch knows. He doesn't have to say a damn thing so they go in with a softer approach. They offer him immunity. If he'll talk turn on whoever it is that did this whoever that hair belong to. They said that they would even put him. In any federal prison he wanted and tell people he was there for check fraud which you guys that's unreal. The way prison works they can move you to any prison at anytime anywhere making it very hard for you to see the family or friends and it could even be prison with really bad conditions prisoners don't get to pick where they are and pedophile really bad in prison so there targeted it and this time they're offering him kind of a way out a cushy sentence but arch wouldn't budge he would not give up this other guy and why who was it that he's protecting and what kind of power would that person have over him to make him still protect him while serving a life sentence is. Is it someone that could get to him even in prison. Now some say that's not it at all. If he gave up anything it would surely get back to people that he was involved. He'd have to testify. It would all come out in his mind. It would be better to die in prison than to be associated with the oakland county child killer or killings but here's the interesting piece arch wouldn't say he knew the killer or what happened but he did have something to tell police. I sold that car at the time the car that you found all this hair and debris in i sold it to the state police lieutenants son on.

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"oakland county" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

11:48 min | 1 year ago

"oakland county" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"Here and i am back with the second part to the north fox island and oakland county child killer conspiracy now if you haven't listened to last week's episode stop right here and go back. You'll be totally lost otherwise but for those of you who did listen last week. Here's a quick refresher. In the late. Nineteen seventy two big events were happening almost simultaneously the first is that a camp mm for troubled boys was busted in northern michigan and found to actually be a hub for child pornography and sex trafficking. Only one of the men responsible was ever ever in prison and has served less than ten years. The other men responsible fled and lived out their lives and other places and no real manhunt was done to apprehend them. Meanwhile meanwhile three hundred miles south four kids were abducted and murdered in the affluent neighborhoods around detroit michigan. The killings became known as the oakland county child killings. There were a couple of suspects early on and after one of them died under very suspicious circumstances. The oakland county child killer task force was disbanded ended but just because that suspect was dead didn't mean that he was gone from the investigation his name would keep coming up and the search for answers research into who murdered these four children would become much more complicated now. They're caught up. Let's jump in two part two <music> <music> through the entire time of the police investigation into the oakland county child killer keep in mind the all of the families these were kind of kept in the dark about suspects like for example they had never heard chris bush's name or greens name which you know in the early days is pretty standard for an investigation like you want to keep the family abreast of the fact that you're working on the case and maybe give them some updates but police would necessarily name every single suspect suspect to the family but since the families didn't know about chris bush they also didn't know that back when gerald richards got busted for his involvement in that pornography pornography sex rain he had turned over some of his client names and one of his clients slash associates was chris bush. The stories were becoming intertwined but no one could see exactly how back in the late seventies after the task force disbanded not not much happened in the case they had one guy who was assigned to it and if leads came in he'd worked them but those are few and far between and in nineteen ninety three. They thought maybe they caught a break. The child pornography distributor that frank used in amsterdam had been caught and so the police sent photos of their four victims tends to see if maybe they could be recognized in any pictures or any tapes. Maybe there was this connection but that lead ended up being a dead end. The families has waited patiently for answers for many years. The trusted that the state police were doing everything they could but as decades passed these started to to wonder why there was no movement tim's family eventually requested records of their own and started to compile their own file as much as they could while they were working to get their own grasp on the case what they didn't know was that someone from the wayne county prosecutor's office was going to stumble his way into this case as well while reading some transcripts for another completely unrelated case. He comes across one line that stops him in his tracks. I know who did the michigan snow killings now. This didn't mean anything to people that that whoever this person being interviewed was talking to but to the man reading the transcript and everything everything and he knew that he had to talk to this person know the guy who was quoted in the interview was a man named richard lawson so detective williams tells him listen listen. I read your statement. I know you know who did it and this man says no. I said i think i might know and he goes on to tell him about an interesting using cast of characters that he used to run with in the seventies he said he mostly hung out with a guy named bob moore and they would hang on the seedier parts of detroit and prey on lower income income neighborhoods kids where parents might not have been home might not have been paying attention broken families places where kids may have been more willing to go with them for some money or some drugs. He said that his friend bob like to film the kids that they interacted with and they would attend parties where other people would bring young kids and they would swap up and then he said something that probably didn't strike detective williams right away because he was new to the case but something that would stay with him for a long time because once he got his head wrapped around this monster. It was something that made sense. Richard lawson said that bob used to sell the photos and the films that he would take he would sell them to a man named frank the same frank who owned north fox island the interview with lawson keeps going and he he says oh hey i have another name ted or will really or is just street name his real last name like ted l. a. m. something thing and the detective in this now for better or worse and so he starts going through every old tip and looking for any ted l. a. m. and he finds it. Feeder lambert gene the tip. The name was on said that ted was at bob's house and on the coffee table. There was this photo album full of kids. Kids and one of the kids looked a lot like tim who had just gone missing and someone points it out and they all just kind of laugh. When detective williams fines the ted he admits to being a pretty prolific pedophile but says he had nothing to do with the killings. He agrees to take a polygraph to try and clear clear himself but he fails miserably now. The new investigator tries to track down some of ted's victims to understand how he operated was. He even even a good suspect and what he finds is disturbing. This guy ted would groom kids with drugs and alcohol and then after he molested lusted them he would force them into a tub to wash off any evidence he would force them to get clean just like like the oakland county child killer when detective williams confronts ted about his failed polygraph. His only response was god's forgiven me now out to detective williams he is looking so good but he wants him to take another polygraph and to do it even offer him protection if he does at this time he's currently being charged with seventeen council molestation and protection for a pedophile imprison is pretty valuable but he does something totally unexpected expected. He completely clams up rejects their offer and pleads guilty to all seventeen counts doesn't try and fight. It doesn't try and lessen. His sentence doesn't go for a plea bargain. What is he afraid of or. Maybe the better question is who. Why did he feel the need to clam up. Detective williams didn't yeah no but there was nothing he could do and another hot lead went cold for him about this same time. Tim's family has been heating up their own inquiry into the case and they just got a hot lead to pass onto detective williams they had found out through an old family friend who is now a polygraph the graft expert but he was approached by another polygraph examiner and this guy says that during a private polygraph a man had confessed to the oakland county child killings but this polygraph examiner wouldn't say the guy's name because legally he wasn't even supposed to be saying this much. The only thing he could say was that the lawyer had requested this polygraph for his client. That's why he was hired. And that's why there's this protection around it but he did say the lawyer. There is dead and the person who took the polygraph are both dead so the hunt is on and detective william search sorting through all the polygraphs from seventy seven kevin and there's one the fits the bill. The person being polygraphed was chris bush now. This name brand new to the family but detective detective williams already knows this name like we know this name but he wants to try something different. He knows it says all over the file that chris and greg were cleared cleared clear cleared everywhere everywhere cleared based on their polly's but he wonders has anyone looked past those results or has anyone even given those like a second glance and spoiler alert. The answer's no in almost thirty years. Everyone has taken the file at face value someone before me cleared him. I gotta move on. What's the next thing i investigate but detective williams had another independent examiner. Look at the polygraph results and this guy says i have no idea who would have told you that these guys passed because greg was a flat out failure and chris chris was also deceptive like at best chris's polygraph should have been inconclusive not a pass so i mean my questions. Nations are like what happened before it was the original examiner just bad at his job or was it part of something bigger that we still can't fully see when the king your family learns about this understandably fee yuri us this was a very good suspect who was cleared without real reason and a a week after he was let go their son. Their brother was murdered. Could that have been stopped. If things had gone differently back in nineteen seventy seven the kings finally decided to go public with what they have they tried being friends with the police for decades and it's got them nowhere and they didn't feel like the police were being honest with them anymore so they went to the media and openly accused chris bush of being a suspect but accusing someone does not make a trial happen so while public interest chris was stirred and the case was back in the media for a while it eventually died back down until two thousand nine when technology was was getting a little bit better. Detective williams wasn't ready to call chris the killer and closed the book. He wanted proof proof that would stand up in a court of law so he went back back to the physical evidence. There were some hairs found on the victim hairs that couldn't tell them much back in nineteen seventy seven but hairs that could tell them. Maybe maybe a whole lot in two thousand and nine. The hair they started with was one that was found on the shirt of our third victim chris mahalick they did d._n._a. Leonie testing and found surprising results. This episode of crime junkie is.

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05:01 min | 2 years ago

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"Okay. So to be, I don't wanna go through this in any more detail than I have to, but the the general, the general thing in this particular cases, this Gregory green not only enjoyed molesting boys, but he enjoyed choking them at the same time on one of these occasions. And I say one of these because he did this to multiple victims. He thought he had killed the boy. So he drove to the hospital and he left the boy and front of the entrance just lying there. The boy ultimately was revived, and so he lived. Luckily he lived. He did have to serve jail time for this in California. Unfortunately, it wasn't a life sentence and he was. Wants returned from jail. Once he's out of jail, he returned to his home of Flint, Michigan, green, and Bush. They were confidence and spent time together and they molested individuals together, including Christopher bushes, younger cousin, while them list of sick fucks this keeps continuing. Okay. So we mentioned that Christopher Bush was spoken to by the police in regards to the Oakland County cases. Okay, right. So was Gregory green what they were able to get from these two individuals is one same story. It's a very troubling story that the two of them at some point had agreed that one of them should get a day job and the other one should get a night job. So if they took a young victim captive, that one of them would be present during the day to watch over the victim and the other present at night. To watch over the victim. However, when asked the question, Christopher Bush would not answer the question as to what they intended to do with the victim when they were finished with the child berry king also in his blog states on more than one occasion, Gregory green stated that Christopher Bush had killed Mark stebbins victim number one. Now green was sentenced to life in prison for violating a child and later he died in prison in nineteen ninety six. So all these guys are connected in some way and possibly had something to do with these murders, half of them are dead yet. We're not definitively saying wanna be clear on that were not definitively saying that this is what happened up in Oakland County would just simply pointing out that there are things in reasons to believe that one or a bunch of these individuals were involved and possibly working. Together to dupe the police to make it harder on their investigation yen. I think people knew that there was, you know, obviously, child pedophilia going on, but I think the idea that there was a rings or some kind of network I think was kind of probably not discussed a lot and seventies is not even discussed enough today. Well, I think for us to get the break that is needed. In this case, I think that James Vincent gunnels is the go-to. I think he somebody that needs to really be talked to at length. He's technically the only one with something to lose meaning that the others are dead or currently serving life sentences. And one of the guys ritual Richard Lawson has already rolled on another person. He's already said, look, I think Ted Lamborghini did this, and here's why read, but then we have the was the last group guy. Is that one of them things that they killed the first victim, correct. But what I'm pointing out here is gunnels is the only one with something left to lose every all the other individuals named in this story that we named suspects in in this group are either dead or serving life sentences. The first sick thing about all this is that most of these individuals that we speak of as big of pieces shit as they are. They are probably at one time victims themselves, and then you have gunwales which we know was victim possibly became accomplice. And I don't think that. Justifies anything. I actually have some suspicion that maybe he is the reason why Bush is dead. Maybe that's why you're not gonna get a lot out of him 'cause maybe is not this network of the sick FOX network of the sick. Fucks did all this stuff and they destroyed these children and they left him on the side of road as if their trash..

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04:01 min | 2 years ago

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"However, they rarely harmed them in a physical way of, let's say, beating them or strangling them, anything like that because they dropped off these boys with the hopes that at some point they're going to want some more money and they'll come back, right? The not gonna tell him because they're so poor, right? And so these men took advantage in, they repeatedly raped these boys and it wasn't just one, two, three, four, five boys. It was a lot of boys that lived in this area. Okay. So the thing here is, how does Lamborghini get on police radar? Well, he got there because Lawson remember his friend, Richard Lawson, who was involved in the same pedophile ring said, hey, I was scared of Lamborghini, and I think he was involved in the murders while why he tells law enforcement about a very specific story. He says. That there was another pedophile that they hung out with his name is Bob more. He was the owner of a bike shop. It was near this Cass corridor. So he's another in this pedophile ring. He kep a photo album of the boys that some of them were involved with at one point one night while they were hanging out in the bike shop, Lamborghini opens up the photograph book, and he's shows Lawson a photo of a white kid from the other side of eight mile road. And he said to Lawson, looks like the king boy, doesn't it and gave him a wink. You'll be glad to know that this other individual that we just introduced Bob Moore died in nineteen ninety six of cardiac arrest in his home, his pit bulls devoured, his carcass before the body was discovered, right? Good Archibald Edward Sloan. He owned a nice shitty name. He owned a nineteen sixty six Pontiac. Avail might Conrail DNA taken from hairs found in sloan's, Bonneville matches DNA found at least one of the body dump scenes. I actually believe that this DNA matches DNA collected from as many as three of the crime scenes. We got to be clear here though because the tricky thing is the DNA is not a match to Archibald Sloan, but just simply hairs found in his car back then Sloan, he was known to have lent out his car to plenty of people. He also owns several other vehicles at this time. He owned a nineteen sixty nine black Chevy pickup in nineteen seventy-one. Blue pickup Archibald Sloan has been convicted of two counts of first degree, sexual assault against a male against male minors, and he is currently serving a life sentence. Okay. I know that's a lot to take in. But what we're pointing out here is that we have multiple individ-. Gills that have known ties to one another and they have some tied to one or two of the crimes and coincidentally they've all at some point been charged with sexual acts against minors two of them serving life sentences because they've committed so many of these crimes. Now, we have to talk about a guy named Gregory green. Now, this is taken directly from berry kings website and blog. He is the father of victim. Number four Timothy king. The task force formally advised the king family that Gregory Greene was a potential suspect and that he participated in the Oakland County child killings. This was discussed when the Michigan state police reports were given to the king family, Gregory Greene was a known pedophile and a companion of Christopher, Bush the Michigan state police reports, heavy. Extensive history of his pedophile convictions in California, including one case in which green thought the boy was dead and dropped him off at a hospital..

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03:48 min | 2 years ago

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"But in regards to that tip and two thousand eight, a victim of child molester Asian and we will not use his name here. This victim testified in two thousand eight that when he was a child, he was forced into sexual activity with another boy that he believes was Timothy king victim. Number four. He also testified that he was later shown a polaroid picture of that same boy again who he believes to be Timothy king. The picture showed the boy tied up in the trunk of what the victim believe to be Christopher bushes vehicle. He also testified that he was present when Christopher Bush. Dropped off Timothy king at the home of a one Ted Lamborghini, Ted Lamborghini, lives at the Kinross correctional facility where he is scheduled to never be released. He is serving life without the possibility of parole. This is because in July of nineteen seventy six. This is around the time of the murders. Ted was very busy committing fourteen counts of criminal sexual conduct eight times with a minor between the ages of thirteen and fifteen six times with a child under the age of thirteen years. Old Lamborghini is not only a sick disgusting pedophile pervert, but he is as slippery as they come because although he committed these terrible acts in nineteen seventy six, he was not caught until he was found in Parma heights, Ohio and December of two thousand and six turns out Ted Lamborghini and his good friend. This is Richard Lawson, were. Operating in a pedophile ring in Detroit in the nineteen seventies and eighties once he's arrested. Here's the aha moment regarding the old statement of we know who did it, but he's dead gets turned on its side here. So once finally apprehended, law enforcement publicly refers to lambere geen as quote. He was our most promising suspect in the Oakland County child killer case, Lawson and Lamborghini operated in Detroit's, Cass corridor, pedophile ring loss in wind caught pointed the blame for the murders at Lamborghini. Lawson is serving a life sentence for murdering his boss and lavonia in nineteen eighty nine. He was arrested in two thousand and five Lamborghini rejected a plea deal. That would have reduced his sentence greatly, but it required him to take a polygraph an answer questions about the Oakland County child killing. And exchange. They would dismiss thirteen of the sex charges against him. Lamborghini said, no goals that lies and cheats on one of the polygraphs. And now we have this individual that will not take one even though he's going to get reduced sentence, correct. So now this is this is pretty disgusting and pretty. It's already been far disgusting here, but we have to clear up how these to each other and how some of the other individuals know each other. So the the cast corridor pedophile ring was basically this, okay. A group of men there. The cast quarter was a very poor, basically, the projects. Okay. And what they would do is they would pick up these boys who wanted food, they wanted money, they wanted things and they would give them things. They would give the money, they would give them food. They give them all three, but in trade, they were using them for sex. And they would typically sodomise. These boys photograph them, throw them in a bathtub, hose them off, and then return them..

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04:23 min | 2 years ago

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"Stinted evidence found anywhere near the bodies that the bodies were meticulously scrubbed that the clothing was meticulously washed that they were looking for a loan serial killer of almost maniacal genius prowess, somebody who would never get found because he they speculated were was so smart in aware of police working and meticulous in, you know, like a Hannibal Lecter sort. This was somebody who is just too smart to be really tackled immediate way, although Hannibal Lecter knocked up. But the reality of this case was not only that there was plenty of evidence, but that all that evidence was was quashed was was shoved aside, and you have to look back at the files and you say, now, wait a minute, not only is it not a scrubbed clean body, but it's actually a messy body and you have to wonder why that was why that was said in the main. The main thing that I found when looking through the documents, the main thing of. Importance to me, we're looking through the documents is that all of it points to the fact that vary on there is an extreme amount of evidence in there were extremely substantive leads in that. There were people who under today's standards of investigative in prosecutorial procedure would have been indicted for these crimes ultimately found guilty. So there was blood evidence. There was seeming evidence. There was fingerprint evidence. There was human hair evidence. There was animal hair evidence. There were carpet fibers. I said, well, carpet fibers. Well, what does that mean to? Let's say, the least of the ovens. Let's say some carpet fibers. All of the kids had the same carpet fibers. Let's say human hair, not just Christine, had human hair on her. There was human hair on multiple buys. One of your thoughts on the bodies being placed out in public areas. I only open and maybe even suggesting that they were taunting the police with the placement of these bodies. Yeah, one of. The things people often talked about in the beginning of the case continued to talk about throughout the decades that the bodies were not just dropped in plain sight but were neatly placed. This is another instance of having to forget everything you've ever learned about this case start from the beginning. The bodies were yes, they were dumped in plain sight. No, they were not placed neatly when people say why with something dumped in plain sight instead of what like buried somewhere out in the woods or whatever. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people. The answer is it makes perfect sense because this is not something that was very well thought out on the part of the killer. This is somebody who just really wasn't thinking ahead methodically, prepare for the murder of and dispose of the bodies of these children. This was somebody who went off the rails, had a body suddenly and had to dump it fast. These bodies were just dumped out of out of the back of a car. A new look at Timothy kings. Photo of his body at the drop site. Now, the narrative that we've been given was that all of the bodies were neatly positioned arms across their chests. This kinda shit Timothy king looks the actual photo of Timothy. King at the drop site looks like he was just dumped out of a car is quick as possible. He's buckled onto himself face down in the snow. He's looks like a dude who just got tossed out of a car. When you look at this black and white. Xerox, I have this photo in you see his body like that. There's no way, no way whatsoever to think that we were dealing with anybody who meticulously planned anything. This was this was somebody the in terms of the dumping of the body at the very least who just needed to get this body out of their car period. We say plain sight, lose two reasons to put it in plain sight. One is one is because. They're trying to make a statement, and that's the narrative everybody's run with, oh, it was two miles from this police station or something. Well, you know, you're in tight quarters, almost anything is two miles from police station. If you're talking about a little area, right, or a couple of miles from the police station, they wanted to build this this lower of like the maniacal killer who has taunted the police in all this shit. It's totally totally misleading..

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03:30 min | 2 years ago

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"I witness and the reason why is kids this individual once owned that car? Well, in a vehicle left clues as far as tire imprint in bumper imprints at the mahalick scene and blue gremlin with a white stripe was seen at the possible abduction site of Tim king. So at least two different cars, but maybe three or four different cars should have been discussed. And yet the focus on the car was put on the blue gremlin, but the blue gremlin. Which is weird here captain. It was still in the parking lot after Tim was reported missing, and the search was underway for the loss boy snaking. It almost seemed like it's it's not connected or if it was connected, it was left at the scene for some reason. It would have been more logical to research the lemoyne's as the suspect vehicle. There was a detailed description of the Pontiac Lamont from the Robinson site and was compared to the imprints at Christine's seen when this was done. The imprints came back to be that closer to that of a lemoyne's and not anything like a gremlin. So too much time was possibly wasted on the wrong car. Well, there's a lot of information about various vehicles that it's important. Understand. I say this all the time it's kinda resonates. The blue gremlin was really a red herring. The blue gremlin was something that was easy to put on posters that stuck in people's mind. Finds was really just kind of a distraction from the reality of multiple other vehicles. Possibly being involved more specifically, Pontiac lemons shows up in many of the police documents. And when I say the police documents, I wanna be clear with you that that I've read through an studied for years now, thousands of pages of internal documents from the Michigan state police, the FBI throughout all that information. Multiple multiple instances of other vehicles show up besides the blue gramling. So I like to put away all thought of the blue gremlin. However, there is one instance of not a blue gremlin, but blue Vega, which is the mirror of the blue gremlin is a same car, different brand that shows up in that that that car was driven by two specific suspects. In this case that become very important later on. So, but let me back up for just a second in dress, the Pontiac lemoyne's. There were other Pontiacs. There was a tempest, those vehicles show up more than the blue gremlin and you could save yourself. Why are we talking about the blue Graham? Why does everybody even think about the blue grandma, gremlin and the answer. It becomes very clear that when you're thinking about the blue gremlin, you're not thinking about all the other cars in that's intentional. Whereas we've seen with the vehicles, the same, be true with the evidence. We've always been told that the bodies were scrubbed, clean that there was no physical evidence, but your investigation would prove otherwise, one of the most misleading parts of the narrative of the Oakland County child killer cases that there was no evidence that from the very beginning in the seventies seventy six seventy seven seventy eight. So he nine into the early eighties, news articles all the time, all the time highlighted the fact that there was no sub..

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04:34 min | 2 years ago

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"Over the years captain. There have been many theories on who is the Oakland County child killer and how has the perpetrator been able to avait capture for all of these years. But before we get into this too much, I do wanna point out that we did cover this case back in may of two thousand and sixteen episode twenty eight if you have the Stitcher app, and if you don't have the app, we'll go get it because all of our episodes are there. I didn't want anyone to think that we are skipping over anything in this case. So if you're thinking that just know that on episode twenty eight, we covered some different angles of each of these four murders, and we also covered more of the doctor Danta stuff. We covered the Allen and Frank theory, and the man from the diner theory. And I even said at one point that I thought that this could be the work of a man and woman team may be a husband and wife. The purpose of these two epic. Roads this week is to explore a much different theory and a theory. Now that might be looking like it's more likely than some of the others explored and captain. This is a theory that is quite similar to some of the thoughts that you had regarding the missing person, Johnny. Gosh. So what we did here was yesterday's episode was kind of a primer regarding the four murders and today we will explore theory not discussed on that show before getting to the suspects that could be tied to this theory. Let's go through the original profile of the perpetrator. The task force developed a profile of the offender based on descriptions given by witnesses who saw Timothy king talking to a man on the night that he was abducted the profile. Describe a white male, dark complexion. Age twenty five to thirty five with shaggy hair and long sideburns because the person. Seemed to be able to gain the trust of children. The task force believed that the killer was possibly a police officer, a doctor or a clergyman. The profile describes the killer as someone who was familiar with the area and probably lived alone possibly in a remote area since he was able to keep the children for several days without friends, family or neighbors. Knowing the interesting thing here captain is we're going to discuss the possibility of a perpetrator that was able to hold these kids captive for several days, but the possibility that friends did know what was going on and may have even been involved in the abduction, the captivity and murder afford Sheldon. So captain. Let's go ahead and introduce Jay Rubin, apple Mun. The author of the new book the kill jar, obsession descent and hunt for Detroit's most notorious serial killer which will be released. Lay. Later this week out, he is the gentleman that you heard in our trailer earlier talking about, hey, I've put together a book on this investigation based off of information that I was able to collect information that was contained in the enrich little in the original investigation Ryan. So basically, Jay Rubin's theories, it's not one killer that it's a multiple, maybe a group of people regarding his investigation into these crimes. We wanted to ask him about some specifics, mainly evidence that has been left out of a lot of the media reports as well as possible, eyewitness sightings of vehicles that could have been involved and individuals that could have been involved in the perpetration of these crimes. So one of the big problems I think with this Vesa Gatien and you think so as well as when they actually started going to the public San, we're looking for this type of individual. They're also saying that they're looking for. Gremlin wean. We know that there was another car that was seen an earlier ab- duck Shen that they never mentioned. Basically saying were looking for this car, but there's this other car that we saw two, but we're not telling the public about that. Well, one of the biggest talked about clues. In this case that has stood the test of time here and still is discussed to this day. Is that car? Is that blue gremlin, however, a nineteen seventy-one lemoyne's was seen at the Jill Robinson murder scene, right? And I hold a lot of weight to this..

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03:10 min | 2 years ago

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"They're gonna be investigators working. These crimes who say to me, well, you don't have all the information because you don't. You're not privy to all of our documents and that's true. I I received several thousand pages of foia documents, but there are probably a hundred thousand pages of talk, you know, who knows what they've got, and they will say that to me, I say to them two things one, it's impossible to refute the information that is in the book because all that information was obtained from the documents. I didn't make it up. There's no conjecture or in some instances where I speculate I say that I'm speculating right information that is based on fact that I legis based on fact, that's in the book. All that information came from the documents. So one, no off. Officer who previously or currently works. This case can say that anything in my book is falsified. It's all true. It's all based on the documents. The only other thing they can say is, but you don't have all the information and so I say to you, yeah, that's the fucking point. So if you have all the information, why don't you fucking tell me what you have and will work together? And I'm not even talking about me. I'm talking in general about the family members of the victims and the other other people who have spent decades working this case emotionally and I'm talking about the communities. I'm talking about the the decades of children. I'm talking about the generations of people raising their kids in a certain way because because they were touched by these crimes, it's important recognized that serious crimes don't end with the prosecution of susp. 'Spect I wanna get into this for second, the effects of those crimes linger in the atmosphere. They linger in the lives of the loved ones of the victims in the lives of the community for generations man. And so in this instance, I was a member of that community, tens of thousands of others were members of that community. Those children of those tens of thousands are now a member of that community in the crimes. Linger linger linger for decades for decades for decades, multiple generations. So if you tell me but you don't have all the information that I say to you, give me the information prove that I'm thinking about this wrong. Tell me something that you know, tell me where I'm wrong, say something. They won't say anything because nobody's leading because this case was not meant to be solved because this. Case, this case is directly tied to some of the people who politically entrenched in that in that community and financially entrenched in that community..

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02:52 min | 2 years ago

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"This is what berry king did with his son Timothy on Wednesday, March sixteenth, nineteen, seventy seven, Tim king a straight a student. He's. A sixth grader. Adams, elementary school went out to play around on his skateboard it was chilly, but not freezing. Tim was small for his age at four foot three inches in only sixty three pounds, Tim, and his family lived in Birmingham, Michigan. This was a little bit nicer than the other towns that we've already discussed, but not rich by any means. Tim's father berry was a lawyer. And on this night he had to meet with a client since he needed a witness, he convinced Tim's mom to come with him. Tim has always been the responsible type. He even recently took on a paper route, but his parents were worried about him being out on his route. So Tim was spending the night at home with his brothers and his sister throughout the evening. They each got called away. His sister Kathy was getting ready to to leave when Tim asked to borrow thirty cents. So he could buy some candy. At the local pharmacy. She lent him the change and left to meet her friends. Tim ended up alone for the night at about eight fifteen pm wearing a red nylon shirt, dark green Levi, quarter, ROY, pants, and white sneakers, Tim headed out. And he arrived at the pharmacy on maple road at about eight thirty, Tim left the pharmacy through the rear door that led to the parking lot, which is where he would typically ride his skateboard Tim's parents were eating at the diner across the street. This is at Peabody's restaurant. After dinner, Tim's parents went home arriving around nine pm. They immediately contacted the police once they realized him was not home police suspected. This to be the act of the serial killer that they were looking for and they wasted no time searching for the boy and spreading his story. An intensive search was executed that covered the entire Detroit metropolitan area. And there was. Widespread media coverage in an emotional television appeal. Timothy's father berry king begged the abductor to release his son unharmed and a letter printed in the Detroit News. Tim's mother wrote this. She hoped Timothy would come home soon. So she could serve him his favourite meal, Kentucky Fried Chicken Atip came in from a woman claiming she had seen a boy with the skateboard talking to a man in the parking lot of the drugstore that Tim had been to the woman described the man as white with a dark complexion and around twenty five to thirty five years of age. He had shaggy hair and sideburns and.

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04:46 min | 2 years ago

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"Possibly. Again, that could just be the way that it's reported with what we learned with first murder is you can't. We can't trust the reports on the Mark stebbins case. So I don't know that we can trust all of the, you know, it almost looks to me more like Mark was just dumped not not really place with a whole lot of thought and could just be reported that way. All while he was found kind. In the fetal position. And I think here's the one thing that we cannot dispute you gotta look for actual scientific fact in these things. And so what we're going to go ahead and talk about here is we the layer of snow that was on Jill is going to tell us what time she was approximately killed because it didn't start snowing until about three AM that night. Okay. So they would. They would determine that she was killed between three and six AM. That helps us out a little bit scientific fact. We know about what time it started to snow all we know not killed possibly, but we know when the body was left in that spot, correct? Correct. There was no sign of sexual abuse found with Jill some. So the cause of death, lack of sexual assault, different gender, different victim, gender, and the location was enough to keep these two murders unrelated as far as police are concerned, Ed least for the moment. So now captain what we have is we have police from four different agencies, working these cases, Troy police Royal Oak police. They are working the job Robinson case while Ferndale and Southfield are working the Mark stebbins case. Again, your feeling here is, does this person know does a suspect note as the killer? No, that they're leaving them. In different areas. Under different jurisdictions. It's possible. It's very possible. It could also be possible that the victims were victims of opportunity for the killer. They went out trolling around looking for somebody walking alone and that's who they took and presumably did the same thing when it came time to dump the body, I'll drive around and look for a spot where nobody is. And if it happens to be out in the open than boom, I got a park my car and get this thing on the side of the road very quickly while there's another two victim. So I think that's going to lead us down more of a funnel a week after jill's body was found Christine heloc vanished. She was a ten year old fifth grader who lived in Berkley Michigan, another Detroit suburb on the day of her disappearance. Christine was helping her mom around the house. She already had run an errand for her mom that required her to cross twelve mile. This is considered to be a busy street to most. So Chris. Gene, asked her mom if she could run to the seven eleven across twelve mile. She loved to paper her walls with the pictures from the hottest teen magazines. The new teen superstar magazine had just come out and she wanted to pick up this issue who was on the cover. This was Donny and Marie Osmond were as I was going to be my guess her mom had trouble saying no to Christine. She didn't really want her to go, but she had already sent her off on an errand for herself across this busy road. And so now it's going to be tough to say no to her. So she lets her go to go pick up this magazine. She even gave her two dollars so that she could pay for it out. It was around twenty seven degrees that day. So she put on her baby blue ski jacket over a white blouse in gray jeans. It's about a five minute walk for her when Christine was not back in an hour. Her mom started to panic. She contacted. The police and Christine's father. The police checked with the clerk at the seven eleven and found out that Christine made it to the seven eleven store. And in fact had purchased the magazine, this would be around three PM. So the search for her began immediately after finding out that she had made it to the store, but not returned home. It was a full on search. The parents hit the streets looking for her her father. He was he was out on the streets with his gun in his belt. Looking for his daughter, we had two missing children that showed up dead. The police were stopping cars and investigating every possible leave. The neighbors of the Maalik started collecting money in case of a ransom demand..

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04:23 min | 2 years ago

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"Sixth nineteen seventy six at six thirty AM four days after her disappearance a motorist driving northbound in Troy Michigan, Saul her body on the I seventy five shoulder. He got on his CB radio in contacted the police. He reported this but was gone by the time that the police had arrived. The police arrived to find a girl who was shot in the face and killed at appeared. She was shot point blank. The police reported a halo of crimson around her head. Jill's body was placed in the snow, fully clothed with her backpack still on her. There was a light layer of snow on the body. This location was not shielded in any way. Anyone driving down the road could have witnessed this murder or the dumping of the body. And fact jill's body was. Within sight and sound of the Troy police station, no one at the police station heard or saw a thing, but there was a witness. The witness was driving his car on highway. I seventy five at three thirty in the morning when he spotted a nineteen seventy-one Pontiac lemoyne's idle ING on the highway shoulder. The witness slowed down and merged into the left lane. As he approached the Lamont's the lemoyne's slowly pulled onto the road. The witness was adamant to the police that it was in fact in nineteen seventy-one Lamont's because he had once owned the same vehicle similar vehicle, the witness offered up specific details regarding the vehicle. There were primer spots on the left side and a broken left tail light. Jill's body was transported to the morgue, and an autopsy was performed. She was fully clothed. She still had her backpack on the two books were missing. Her body was bathed in her nails were trimmed and clean. Jill had been quote, cared for and fed during the four days as she was missing. Joe was also placed where she was found not dumped or thrown. I think it's fair to say we have the right to question the last few items that we stated here. You know, we, we saw in the Mark stebbins instant one thing is reported in another thing actually happened regarding the body. Yeah, there's urine feces those clothes weren't wash. The cause of death was from a shotgun blast to her face while she was lying on her back. So she was killed where she was found. She had died the same way that she had feared that she would or at least what she told her mom in the psychiatrist go back to that. So you're, you're claiming that they're stating that she was killed where she. She was left. Yes. But as I witness that saw the car leaving the scene did not hear anything did not hear anything and also no other reports of hearing anything. Right. And like I said, the Troy police department is within an ear shot. Yes, shotgun blast. You're going to, there's going to be somebody reporting that will what makes them believe this. If nobody heard it, then there's no one to report it. I'm just saying, what other evidence did they have to make them think that the the actual death happened, where? Well, where the victim was, I had reported the crimin- the halo of crimson above her head. So that would be the the blood being blasted out of her. I mean, I can't put it. There's no nice way to put it. The blood being blasted out of her head as she was shot in the in the in the face with the shaggy, the crown of her. I was going to leave this out of the story, but. Since pushed for an explanation. The top of her head was located there as well. Did they do autopsy to find out if she there was struggling at all. Look, it's the report is the same as with Mark and what we will see with the other two victims as well. The public, the public reports of these are not the actual findings, not the actual police findings and all of these situations we're going to be told..

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04:13 min | 2 years ago

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"We're back tears mates. Cheers, captain on Wednesday, December twenty. Second nineteen seventy six twelve year old, sixth grader, Jill Robinson, and her mom agreed on one thing that they had had enough of each other. They lived in Royal Oak another town like Southfield and Ferndale. This is about ten minutes from where Mark stebbins body was found gills. Dan, Tom had divorced the mother a few years earlier. She had a long day already, and now she was rushing to get dinner on the table before going to church Joe's. Mom asked Jill to make biscuits for dinner and Jill was known as being a smart and stubborn girl. She was having a bad day too. So Wednesdays are supposed to be the days that Jill would spend with her father. He would get her after school and they would have the evening together. Well, Tom failed to get Jill on this Wednesday. No surprise surprise. And now she is. Stuck with her mom and sister for the night. Not exactly what she wanted. She was also not sleeping well lately because she was having this reoccurring nightmare. This nightmare was so concerning to Carol that Joe was seeing a psychiatrist to help help or through this problem dream about the nightmare that she was having sh. I don't know exactly what the nightmare was, but she stating that it caused Jill to have fear that someone was going to shoot her to death, and she would be shot at some point in her life. Joe refused to help with the dinner and an argument started between the two Carol was at her breaking point. And she looked at her daughter and she shouted get out which was heard loud and clear. Joe grabbed her denim backpack and she was going to take off. She filled, she filled the backpack with their hairbrush, a blue and green plaid blanket. It some makeup some underwear into books, not. So she's going to go live out on her own. Not exactly. The first book is a first edition little house on the prairie book. This one had an inscription from a family member that gave it to her as a gift. The second book she checked out of the library which was a Nancy drew mystery. These books are very important clues. Now, Jill before leavings going to put on winter clothes. It was below freezing outside. And as she was leaving, she told her younger sister that she was going to their father's house. She slammed the door behind her. Now her father's home is approximately six miles away. So she grabbed her bike, she loved her bike. It was a high speed brand, twenty inch frame purple with chrome fenders. It had a white banana seat. Sounds like your bike. She hopped on her bike and she was gone. Gills mom waited an hour and went outside to look for. Or her. Carol thought that she would find Jill sitting out front of their house, ready to apologize. But when she got out there, there was no sign of Jill. So Carol called Tom gills father. And when he told her that she wasn't there and he had not seen her Carol called the police and reported her missing. The police began searching, they checked if she had stopped at any stores and they interviewed a bunch of people. Joe was seen by a family friend at about seven thirty pm near the tiny, Tim hobby center that in find anyone who saw her after this. Nothing. The police found nothing else until the next day. This is when the police found her bike in the one sixty block of Washington street, it was leaning against a tree. The police started searching the neighborhood when a local teenager came up to them and inform them that they had found the. Bike, he and his friends somewhere else, and they had been out joy, writing it through the area before leaving it at the tree. So the police went to fifteen twenty three north main street. This is where the boy said that they had originally found the bike..

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04:37 min | 2 years ago

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"Yeah. Would the killer have been aware of this? Did he place Mark there, knowing that it would involve another police department. So the Southfield police arrived to find. Mark, the scene was like no. Other upon the first review of Mark, there were several things that jumped out at officers. Mark appeared to be clean. Mark was wearing the clothes he had on the day. He disappeared. His jacket was zipped up, and his hood was pulled over his head, the Southfield police radioed in the information that they had found the boy's body. This quickly got back to Ferndale police, and they realized that they're missing persons case just became a murder investigation. The Ferndale police showed up at the office building and started to process the scene. This is hard to believe knowing today's practices, but remember we have two different police departments working this one crime scene while remember it's the late seventies. I mean, doctors USA smoke in the hospital. Well, an in this area to captain. Neither of these police jurisdictions, neither these departments had much experience in murder cases. So rather than processed the scene, believe it or not, the Southfield police removed Mark's body. This is just wrong, of course, but they take the body to the police station, not to the more to the police station, then they decide to remove marks close at the police station. Then after sending the body to the morgue, they go back and processed the scene back at the dumpsite. They decide to involve a local psychiatrist. This is Bruce dantonio. He was brought to the scene to create a profile of this killer, but he had a better idea or at least a better idea that he thought to him. Yes. So he suggested that they place a life-size child mannequin wearing similar clothes Mark in the same spot. So let's stop here and review, shall we? Well, first of all, what the hell does after do with pro fine. The perpetrator. Well, he's brought into profile, and I think what he thought was, let's see if we can get the killer to return. To the scene and we'll just arrest him on the spot and I, we won't need to come up with any profile. So I know that this whole thing sounds like a very weird technique, but it's not unique is not a unique technique. So let me just see if I'm here near, right. Okay. So the idea from this doctor, so we're gonna take this mannequin. We're place him and similar clothes or the same clothes, similar clothes, similar clothes, and we're gonna put him in the similar position and kind of out in the open. We know that sometimes killers will go back to where they don't victims to see as the victim in found yet. So their ideas that the the suspect will come back and when he comes back will rest him on the spot. Correct. Okay. And like I said, I, it sounds weird, but it's not a technique that was unique. And I mean that for the time period, I don't know that they would do something like this today, or I can't find anything recent where they did something like this today, but we know that in the Michigan murders in the case, it's often referred to as the Michigan murders. They used this technique. They've used it in the green river killer case as well as the Atlanta child murders right now question, would you sign up for this special duty? 'cause as what they call it that have special duty where police officers would have to wait in their vehicle somewhere looking for the suspect to return, of course, of course. So like in the you get the donuts, I'll get the coffee, but here's the reason. Why think that he decided to do this? Or at least jested it was because the Michigan murders took place in nineteen sixty seven through nineteen sixty nine. And that was when Ann Arbor brought in a man named Peter, her coz to assist he had he had assisted in the Boston strangler case. So they brought this dude in and say, look, we got a serial killer and we need to try some things to try to figure out who this guy is. Now. I don't recall for certain whose idea was, but it was likely her says idea that they employed this technique in the Michigan murders the idea as you said that the killer would return to the bodies. I'm guessing by guests here captain and I would be willing to wager a hundred dollar Bill Bill and six pack of beer..

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04:20 min | 2 years ago

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"Suburb community emerged as a place for families to raise children during the baby boom era with its elementary schools, downtown city parks, active churches and civic groups. It was a small town just like the other towns where these victims lived peacefully up until the day that they were taking. Mark was born September thirteenth nineteen sixty three. Now in nineteen seventy six. Mark was a seventh grader at Lincoln junior high. He lived with his mother. After his parents split up when he was just five years old besides his mother, Mark lived with his older brother. Michael, Mark was an average twelve year old boy and just about every way he was four foot, eight inches tall weighed about one hundred pounds, but life was about to change for everyone in Oakland County. Yeah, this Sunday, February fifteenth, nineteen seventy six. This would turn out to be a rainy day, but it was quite warm for the season marks. Mother. Ruth wanted to attend a work party at the American Legion hall. So Mark, his brother, Michael Ruth, and her boyfriend drove the three blocks to the hall when they arrived. There was a pool tournament in progress, but watching adults drink and play pool only entertains a twelve year old boy for so long. So Mark before the party was over, asked his mother. If he could head home, he wanted to go home and watch television. His mom was hesitant, but she did allow Mark to leave alone. On Mark than asked her for a quarter. So he could buy some ice cream at the store next door to the American Legion. His mom reminded him that he had just received his allowance and said, no. Now his brother offered to go along with him. But Mark, he was twelve and he said he would be fine by himself at twelve twenty five PM Mark stebbins walked out of the hall alone sometime in the seven PM hour. Ruth tried to call Mark home, but there was no answer. This did not raise any alarms and probably shouldn't have, but she she's not worried and she continued to enjoy the party at nine o'clock. She returned to an empty house. Now this put her on edge a bit, but she figured she would wait one more hour to see if Mark would come home. He did not an ten o'clock, Ruth called the police reported him as missing the police responded to the Stephens house not expecting anything more than a run away. Or a kid who lost track of time the police informed her. We haven't had any kidnappings in Ferndale in ten years, but nonetheless the search for the twelve year old boy began. They searched abandoned buildings and other stops popular with the kids, but nothing turned up and he never came back and then the hours turned today's, the walk from the American Legion to Mark's house was only three blocks. What could he have encountered on such a short walk home? Fortunately, four days later they're going to find his body. Yeah, this is on Thursday, February nineteenth at approximately eleven forty AM when a man is out picking up lunch from the Fairfax plaza office building, he spotted a body lying on a pile of leaves near the buildings dumpster. The man found Mark stebbins body curled on a snow Bank. In the fetal position, it appeared that the body was placed there gently. The odd thing here captain. This is not a secluded. Okay. Shen it is in was an active office building with people coming and going all day long. Right? So the perpetrator could have been seen by anybody? Yeah. This killer was bold enough to remove Mark from whatever kind of vehicle he was driving and placed the body in a location where he the killer could have been easily spotted or leased his vehicle seen by somebody on the extra time that he's going to be taking to place the body in a certain position. This spot is only two and a half miles for Mark's house. But even in that short distance, we have a different police jurisdiction. So the victim Mark lived in Ferndale, but his body was found in Southfield, this is another town in Oakland County, and one has to wonder of this done on purpose..

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