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Measuring Freedom to Change
"One of the most important things that managers can create for their teams is a sense of autonomy and freedom. But what exactly does it mean to have autonomy and freedom? Of course we have to have some shared goals. We have to deliver value to the business. So how can we consolidate this idea of freedom and autonomy with having shared common goals and the imperative of delivering value to the organization? Today we're going to talk about a barometer for measuring freedom and autonomy on your teams and we're also going to discuss why it's so hard to create freedom and autonomy on a team. My Name is Jonathan Control. Listening to develop not my goal in the show is driven developers. Iq Find clarity perspective and purpose in their careers this idea of freedom and autonomy. Something that you'll read -An basically every management book since two thousand almost and this reflects the change in the market from a control based management system which worked well for an industrial age of factory setting to a knowledge based system. And this is what we work in as developers or at least this is what we strive to work in as developers in in this scenario it makes sense they would want to have freedom for the people who are those knowledge based workers in as it turns out the barometer for measuring that level of freedom on Guillotine. Is the same reason you want. The freedom to begin with the barometer is measuring the freedom to change if we zoom in on an organization and then all the way down to a team level and even down to an individual level. The imperative to have freedom on a team isn't based on an idealistic notion that you can just do whatever you want to magically value appears on the flip side value is not only generated by working on tightly controlled nearly defined tasks the freedom that we want to create software teams is the freedom to do what we believe will solve the problem the freedom to disagree the freedom to exercise our opinions towards an end goal. What most organizations get wrong about freedom is that people want freedom from their work that somehow work is binding them and in order to have good culture. You must be able to get free away from that work on a regular basis. This is where we get the idea of flexible vacation policies as a culture building tool and while. This isn't necessarily wrong that sometimes we do need time away from work. What is more engaging and perhaps more important for company culture is freedom in the work and the barometer here is freedom to change if you see a lack of change on a team. There are likely both explicit and implicit reasons for this. We're GONNA talk about those right after we talk about today's sponsor. Today's episode is sponsored by Oxy. Labs oxy labs wants you to know about their stable and fast proxy pool of over thirty million global IP addresses these are the next generation residential proxies their resource-efficient in they empower block free scraping. Oxy Labs has expertise on the subject. They have deep understanding and knowledge on how to acquire web data. And you're going to have a dedicated account manager for every person every client who works with oxy lives. Actually labs is already trusted by over five hundred. Companies for sales intelligence market research seo monitoring and more notably to oxy labs dot io slash developer t to find out more about the services and apply for a free trial of those next generation residential proxies. Thanks again to oxy. Labs sponsoring today's episode of developer. T if you are working on a team that resists change there's likely more than one reason for this. There's two kind of categories of reasons for why you might not have changed on your team. One is the unintentional implicit reasons. The second would be the explicit or intentional reasons for reducing change the implicit or unintentional reasons are based on our natural way of operating. We WANT TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENT IN. This goes back to our social hierarchies. This is why politicians very rarely will admit to changing their minds because even though changing your mind is probably the rational thing to do when you learn new information if you break with a former decision then the underlying signal the instinctive signals that we get That we've evolved to have over. Millions of years is to distrust someone who is not consistent. The danger of the inconsistency to our prehistoric ancestors outweighed the importance of adaptability. If we think about the SRI moment it's very likely that the best kind of balance is somewhere in between we don't someone wants someone who is constantly changing their mind. They can't settle and make a decision to move forward. They can't find some operational ground to stand on but we also don't want to operate at the other side of the spectrum where we hold onto views because I was the first one that we had a related topic to this is the idea of fundamental attribution error. The idea that we can excuse our own mistakes. We can excuse our own of mind based on our context or experiences but for others when they make mistakes were more likely to attribute it to the personality or their underlying core values. And so for all of these reasons. We have some implicit pressure to maintain consistency of position to maintain a consistency. Really in almost everything. If we say one thing is important were very likely to hold that. That thing is important even when we face evidence. That thing isn't very important. This is one of the reasons why it's incredibly important for leadership for people who are in some kind of position of leadership or seniority to be the ones to break the ice to be the ones who facilitate and encourage change not only encouraging it for others but also showing that they themselves changed their minds and this intention brings me to the second type of reason why we don't see change on teams and why that freedom to change is very often missing that is explicit systems that are built to reduce variability once again. These systems are incredibly impactful in factory. Work having a checklist to follow for example. When you are piloting an airplane can be very important to reduce variability so that something isn't lost. This is based on the assumption that the variability the human may have an outsized negative effect on what you're trying to accomplish. This is certainly true. When you're taking off an airplane you want to know that everything that is critical to be checked has been checked. Reducing variability in this way is incredibly important and freedom and autonomy become very unimportant however in the same setting in a cockpit. You want to also have the freedom to change your mind about a decision that you've already made for example a flight plan when you're on that path and Maybe the weather is getting worse than you expected. It is necessary for crew members and for the captain to have facilitations for Change. And so in this one picture you can see systems that are intended to reduce variability but also systems that are intended to empower variability. You can dig more into this topic By googling the term crew resource management and once again. It's very easy to imagine as a manager that I can increase efficiency. If I reduce variability streamline all of our efforts into one direction these systems exist throughout most workplaces finding ways of operationalizing. Everybody's Work Day. Their habits the way they write their code. These systems can be very helpful. But it's important as a manager to be mindful of time where reducing variability is helpful and gives you the margin necessary to empower variability where it's needed specifically when it comes to decision making about the work thank you so much. You're listening to today's episode of developer. T A huge thing to oxy labs head over to oxy labs dot. Io Slash developer t to get started today if you enjoyed today's episode. If you've found something than I encourage you to subscribe and whatever podcasting APP us. It's free and if this has any positive effect on your life then it's worth that free. Button Click. I think today's episode was produced by Sir Jackson. My name is Jonathan Cottrell in until next time. Enjoy your tea.
Gospel of Thomas
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"Better do warning here. This episode is going to talk about drugs and dark markets through the whole episode. If you'd rather not listen to me go on and on about jugs for an hour our you might want to consider skin this one also in my hope to listen to episode twenty four. I no one's called Operation Bayonet which goes into detail about drugs being sold on these dark markets. You don't need an operation being at first but it does explain a lot of stuff in leads you up to the events before this one. So it's a good idea to pause this wind go do operation Bain at first and then come back to this one. The Internet has really brought to life. A whole new user. Base set traditionally was very different for instance stock market trading traditionally. This was a very slow system you I needed to get extra money to invest with which was easier to get decades ago then you call your broker to buy some stocks then you wait for And sell it maybe years later and during that time you might check the paper like like every day once a day once a week to see how things are going. Because that's all you really had access to you but the Internet has made stock market trading so different and you now have up to the second data on stock prices. Incredible tools to help spot. Potential buys an endless youtube videos. People teaching you how to do it. Stock Market could trading has attracted a much younger tech savvy audience now two people are in and out of the market and just a few minutes or seconds instead of years and you can set up trading bots or scripts and get alerts when prices hit a certain amount. And it's all done without talking to a single person and the traditional drug dealer has changed you. You used to be all done on the streets through in-person meetings which means to be a drug dealer. You probably want to be mean looking person that nobody wants to mess with. You've got to be able to hold your own own if the deal goes bad and not just let someone punch you in the face and steal all your stuff but now you can buy and sell drugs online and the online drug dealers are completely different group of people. The street smarts have changed instead of being able to defend yourself a bad deal that's been replaced with knowledge of shipping and packaging and instead of knowing how to hide from the local police patrolling the neighborhood and how to make deals in public casually without attracting any attention. All that's been replaced with the knowledge of being anonymous online because the most important thing for an online drug dealer is that they have to know how to stay hidden from the feds. Because it's not not your average cop looking for you you've got a huge task force of federal law enforcements around the world. All trying to figure out who the top sellers are of these sites so every move you do online is being watched by them. And you've got to be one hundred percent that your maintaining your anonymity because one wrong slip up of revealing just a tad. Too much information can have severe consequences. these are true stories from the dark side of the Internet I'm Jack reciter. This is dark net. Diaries support for this. Episode comes from seen by indeed is one of your resolutions this year to negotiate a big raise or find a new job even change your career indeed dot com is the place to go find jobs and now they make a service called seeing which is here to help you make your next big move whatever that means to you. Seen indeed. 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But here's the thing with opium. If you have some serious pain these drugs can make you feel a lot better but even if you take it for just five days have like a ten percent chance of becoming addicted to it and the longer you take it the bigger chance you have of being addicted. American doctors have a problem with over prescribing medication. So doctors prescriptions are a huge contributing factor to the OPIOID addiction. When the patient is no longer in pain and goes home from the hospital they might start feeling sick like they might start feeling nauseous and sweating and chills and vomiting anxiety and they crave their medication again? But of course the doctor won't give them any more so to help with their sickness. They turned to the streets to look for more of the same medicine. But of course the streets have a bigger variety of OPIOIDS ROYDS and for pretty low prices to and of course one of the easiest ways to buy street drugs now is online on dark net markets. It's just much easier inconvenient to buy drugs online but online dark net marketplaces are shady and secretive. They're online dealers. Playpen were real identities. These are hidden and illegal substances are everywhere like LSD hydrocortisone meth cocaine heroin Feno. It's all there in these markets have both sellers and buyers and when such dark market drug dealer is named Kyle knows he got arrested in the UK for selling drugs on a dark net market. Here's an interview he had with. UK's National Crime Agency you've been Aristo suspicion production position of control drug of say or you're responsible for the production production of the drug production. I've never produced anything. I old right from online. And it comes basically just distribute it and I said what what do you offer on your on your profile. What is offered free produce anything or kind of chemistry with defended their then? Do you put any clubs on any protective gear clubs I What do you think well? I know. There's a strong opioids which is quite strong appeal. But like I said I've got a born in page is very strong. Do not take as you know are it's got like I said it's all meshed correctly. Don't mix with anything else you. It's as long as the salvator you don't say if you're a Newbie. Try It kyle. Innocent Lived in Wales in the UK is twenty five years old and he was selling federal On alphabet Hansa and the dream dark marketplace's feno seriously toxic stuff one hundred times stronger than morphine and fifty times stronger than heroin. When going by the name Soviet bear he sold Fenton all to a hundred and sixty eight people across the UK the US and Europe in two thousand sixteen and Seventeen? Four of his customers actually died after taking it. Because that's the danger of fitna it's more lethal than any other illegal street truck in Kyle was caught and arrested on February fifth. Two thousand eighteen. He got sentenced to eight years in prison for law enforcement. Busting Bussing people on the dark. Net is a patient game of cat-and-mouse the vendors buyers admins of the websites are trying to keep out of the way of the Fed's on the dark net. No one's real identity has used used. Everyone is known by their chosen username. And these names are the only way to recognize anyone but not knowing anyone is what makes this a game of chance undercover agents. Lie In wait. They pay attention. They follow all the leads. If the users of the dark markets practice good operation security op SEC. It'll make it extremely extremely hard. If not impossible for feds to catch them. Usually the feds have to wait for a lucky break or for someone to mess up so they can then check that user to a real person in the real world Ross Ulbricht was founder of Silk Route one of the first big marketplaces. He was caught because he made a mistake and didn't cover his tracks. Well enough by the time me realize his mistake it was too late. He'd been spotted by the FBI and they were onto him Alexander Causes. He created another marketplace called alphabet. He to made a mistake. You can use personal e mail in the headers of a welcome email to his website. He used the same email address that was linked to his pay pal account which led the feds right to them to get into the darkness. You have to use tour. Tour is a head network that sits on top of the Internet but only people who are on this hidden network can see what's on tour and on top of that. There's a level of privacy that makes things a little more attractive. It basically hides your Address so you can't be tracked. The website doesn't know which. It Ip address. Any visitor actually came from and neither does anyone monitoring the traffic onto the site. Of course just hiding your Ip is not enough to keep you hidden and you need to set up a burner phone a burner email and do things like use a secure os like tales or cubes. And don't give any clues as to who you are like. Don't use the same browser to log gained facebook because that pretty much identified when you want to buy from dark market there's another security layer you have to consider to buy drugs. You need to tell the seller color your address and then pay for it. There's no payments screens or payback or debit card on the dark net into extra safe. You don't want the site admins to see the address you want things shipped to you so you set up a secure encrypted chat between buyer and seller. PGP pretty good. Privacy is the usual one used. It takes an extra step setup but it's worth worth a buyer wants to talk to a seller the seller poster. PGP encryption key on their profile then. The buyer uses that key to send encrypted messages to the seller color and only the seller has decryption key to see what was said. This makes a message really hard to read. If not impossible to read by prying eyes then to pay for are the goods you need to send money while historically there used to be things like eagled and Liberty Reserve. Something is far better than that now. CRYPTO currencies cryptocurrencies like. BITCOIN are the perfect way to pay for things. On the dark. Marketplace's it's easy to get. It's legal to own. Transactions are pretty quick low fees and it's completely anonymous. Bitcoin is not tied any person's name or address or social security number. Whoever owns the private key to unlock the BITCOIN? Wallet is who owns that Bitcoin. So so these dark markets all accept bitcoin. Sometimes other coins are accepted to like Minero. These are virtual currencies can be exchanged for local money. It's perfect for this and crypto currencies. Are untraceable actually. Wait a minute it turns out. They're not completely that untraceable. After all Silk Road was one of the biggest dark markets ever but it was brought down by the feds in two thousand thirteen. Shortly after that new dark markets were entering the ring thing. The dream market was stood up pretty quickly and it was modeled to look enact just like Silk Road which all the other markets were doing the same to the structure followed followed the same trend there were administrators and moderators to keep the site running smoothly vendors that sold illegal goods and buyers looking to make purchases on the quiet. But of course this kind of website will attract the FBI in a major way. Here's a clip from the FBI's website explaining what dark marketplaces are on dark marketplace's. They offer illicit goods such as the drugs. Guns hacked bank account and credit card information. Dark Matt drug vendors a little bit different than an actual street cornered dealer because of the reach that they have they have access to hundreds of thousands of buyers hires at a time from across the country as well as internationally so just by taking down one. Dark Net jug vendor. You can have the same effect as taking down. Hi traditional mid level size drug trafficking organization so you can see as dark. Net market started rising popularity also so attracted the attention of the Fed's dream market had a dual rating system for as vendors sort of like Amazon with star ratings from buyers the average score from vendors was shown on the profile along with the number of positive and negative reviews. They had built up a good sales history with satisfied customers. And they'd get a trusted vendor label assure signed to buy. This is a venue that they are safe to buy from. Dream Market also had a bug bounty system going so if anyone spotted added a bug or security issue on the site reports the admins and get seventy five bucks. One point alphabet became the most profitable dark market on tour and dream market was was the second-biggest but when Albay went down dream market stepped in as the new king of the scene and it was one of the longest running markets in the time. So sure why not go to a long running one which has a good reputation and this is where Kyle he knows sold drugs. You remember him. At the beginning he got arrested for selling. No the National Crime Agency in England was very unhappy about that so the NCAA set up a whole operation to try to catch kyle. Because they've ferociously fight right to get off the drug marketplaces because of how dangerous it is. It's just really lethal. And the worst part about Feno is that people mix it into heroin in and cocaine and sell it to people who are completely unaware. They're taking all at all. It's like fifty times more potent than anything you think you're taking and the reason why Feno gets leased into in other drugs is because it's cheaper to make so some suppliers will get some snow and try to sell it off as heroin to make more money Kyle said he sold Feno but simply passed it from from the supplier to the buyer and didn't try to hide what it was kyle was caught and arrested and a serving eight years in prison in May two thousand fifteen. A new new person registered an account on the market username was oxy monster and just six months after that oxy monster got promoted to administrator of the dream market. No admins are the top tiers in these markets have access to everything and have to be the most trusted. Is that a fall to be given such a role and just six months tells me oxy. non-serb was not new to the scene. No sensible site admin is going to give access to someone they knew nothing about six months ago that 'cause they could be anyone and that's the thing about these dark markets anyone could really be anyone including getting undercover police agents the DA FBI NCA are known to have their agents on undercover missions posing as buyers and vendors because they can use the anonymity of the dark markets to their advantage hiding in with everyone else watching and collecting data in fact in early. Two thousand in sixteen the. DA started creeping around inside the dream market there were posing as buyers and identified three vendors. They were interested in the. Da Bought Drugs from digital posse. Two thousand fourteen wreck PSOMAS maximus and meth for dummies. The order these drugs had shipped to Miami or the. Da Could inspect them for any any clues when they got them. They had the contents forensically tested to confirm they were narcotics. oxy Monster wasn't one of these targeted vendors but his presence on the market was about to be noticed by law enforcement agents January two thousand seventeen DEA agents visited the dream market homepage and looked around. They saw there was a link to a forum called dread they clicked it and found themselves inside a message board for dark marketplaces could places the saw. This was some where people could go to for help and advice and it was a place where admins and moderators would help out buyers and vendors to give them tips tips on how to do things better or stay safe and secure on the dark web it also seemed to be an area where any disputes between users of the site could be dealt with and sorted out. This is where the DEA agents. I became aware of oxy Monster. The DA is the Drug Enforcement Agency of the US. They combat drug trafficking both on the streets an online they noticed oxy monster was helping users on this forum and the also connected him to be an Admin on the market so they looked back at all of oxy oxy monsters posts on the forum which led back all the way to May two thousand fifteen. Whoever oxy monster was they certainly knew a lot about drugs and how to stay a hidden on the dark net and they were familiar with a lot of dark? Net marketplace's one of the things that caught agents I was opposed from March. Two Thousand Sixteen written by oxy monster it warned users any message claiming to be from mud's not listening in in the post so the DEA agents started watching archie monster on dream market in on the forums. What does he do on this? I how involved is he exactly by June of two thousand seventeen. It was clear that oxy monster was selling drugs on these dark marketplace's he was selling things like Oxycontin and Ritalin which are prescription option drugs. Well that explains his choice of username. He had sixty sales and got good ratings to positive reviews from satisfied customers and now that he's selling drugs on three market. This has caught the attention even more of the. Da oxy monster is an Admin to dream market a senior moderator. You're on the forum and he's actively selling drugs to site users. That would be enough to catch the attention of the feds. Now when you buy drugs on dream market cricket you send your Bitcoin to an escrow account. It goes to dream. Markets Wallet and then teamed to the vendor this is an extra layer of security so that the vendor doesn't know what the buyers there's bitcoin address was and the buyer doesn't know what the vendors bitcoin address was. Because you don't want the feds to know your bitcoin address because may might have wasted tracking so the defense wanted more info on oxy monsters. So they wash this post on these forums and there was something oxy monster would write in the footer of each post. It said basically that if this post was helpful please consider tipping. And here's a link to a bitcoin address. The footer also encouraged people to check out oxy monsters astor's account on trade route which is another dark market and that profile confirmed he was selling drugs there to enlisted the same tip jar address also told Fed said Oxy Z.. Monster was Ahmad on the now defunct evolution dark market. This is like a flashing light for law enforcement to profiles with links to three different markets with the same bitcoin wallet. This is a person who has been very active in the dark marketplace forums for two years as an active seller on multiple sites and Admin on another another is just asking to be followed up on. And that's the problem with these sites you want a good reputation as a seller so buyers like you but as soon as you get one the Fed start looking for you to while the feds. We're trying to find out who oxy monster was. Dream Market Jeff Be. I was working with the Dutch. Police released take out two of dreams. Biggest competitors two thousand seventeen alphabet was one of the biggest dark markets selling everything from drugs to weapons to militia software the FBI was watching this market. For months and in July of two thousand seventeen they arrested alphabets founder. Alexander Causes in Thailand and took the market off line so again this is something I covered episode twenty four. It's really fascinating. Listen so check. Out The episode Operation Bayonet if you WANNA know more because it was a pretty impressive operation the feds pulled pulled off there and at the same time. Multiple law enforcement agencies came together including Europol and the Dutch police to take down Hanson the other dark not market so when Alphabrain Okay and Hansa got taken down the duck community went into a tailspin vendors. Needed a platform to keep selling and buyers still wanted to buy drugs online and despite fight all the paranoia and suspicion users headed straight on over to dream market as their next dark market acce- Monster was already registered on dream. When all all this went down with alphabet Hansa it seemed at dinner at Spook them at all one month after the take downs oxy monster became officials vendor Andrea market and started it's shipping drugs to the? US With Hansa gone. He easily leveled up on dream but what he didn't know was that the. Da were watching what he was doing trying waiting to figure out who he really was so by August two thousand seventeen the. Da were following up on this tip jar. bitcoin wallet that oxy Monster so keen. Advertise the idea that the feds had was to follow the money well. BITCOIN is supposed to be anonymous. If you follow it closely enough you can sometimes times figure out who owns a wallet at least if you're the. Da You might be able to you. A bitcoin. Wallet is just a long string of numbers and letters. It's impossible to link it's anyone but just has dark markets have evolved. So has the technology checking out bitcoin. You see Bitcoin is virtual. But there's a solid system underneath Nathan a method to make sure that there's a public record of every transaction that passes from one person to another and that's what's called a blockchain and there's an army of bitcoin miners people people out there voluntarily. Keeping the blockchain up so that this public database is available for everyone and up to date. But now there's software available that analyzes bitcoin transactions in the blockchain. You see the blockchain records every transaction and it's unmanageable so you can't delete any records out of it. So the software can look for links between wallet addresses activity and how things are moved around any patterns and that sort of thing the tools that are used to do this one is called chain analysis the others called elliptical. These are the two front runners and they're being used by the DA A FBI irs euro pool to trace. BITCOIN transactions in criminal cases all BITCOIN transactions are public record visible onto blockchain for anyone to see by analyzing the blockchain and following transactions and wallets. You can start to build the dots here on who owns what so. For instance there was is an escrow service Andrea market. You send your bitcoin there to buy drug and wants. The money is collected by dream market. The sellers notified to send the drugs so if the DA knows the bitcoin address wrestle dream markets escrow wallet and they can use tools to see who's interacting without wallet now when someone goes to withdraw their bitcoin and turn it into local money. Okay this is another step. That law enforcement will monitor closely see most bitcoin. Exchanges are regulated and need to comply with local law and this mixed exchange trustworthy swirly but at the same time it also means that law enforcement agents can issue search warrants on the exchanges to see who cashed out of certain bitcoin wallets. Yes so you see the. Da had variety of ways to track some bitcoin wallets and they were using these methods to watch what was going out of that tip jar dress on an oxygen monsters posts now darkness drug dealers. No this and have come up with a pretty clever way to keep their cash outs more hidden bitcoin tumblers basically. It's the same thing as taking a deck of cards and mixing them all up on the table spreading them all over in so that you can't see what you can send your bitcoin to a tumbler. which will so then break apart your money into a bunch of various transactions? Mix them up a bunch with a bunch of other people's bitcoins and then send you your money in a new fresh bitcoin wallet and the DA has a harder time tracking money. That goes through a bitcoin. Tumbler I'm not sure if there even is a way to track this now dream market had its own basic basic tumbling services. I mean sure why not. It's doing a lot of illegal transactions mix sense to provided tumbling service to help its customers be more safe and secure but as the Fed's watched watched oxy monsters bitcoin tip jar address. They noticed he was sending money directly to an exchange without using a tumbler. Not even the Tumbler. Ambler that's on dream market that he was an Admin of the Fed's watched and they saw that oxidants ter- sent his bitcoin to a website called local local bitcoins dot com. He did this fifteen times. This is an exchange not regulated by the US law. It's based on Finland. But it didn't ask you you for any. ID to cash out. which was what oxy monster wanted to be an automatic when he was getting his money? oxy Monster cashed out on his tip jar earnings unease when oxy monster cashed out local. BITCOIN DOT COM the. Da was able to work with the authorities and Finland to get anything they could on who owned that that bitcoin address since this exchange didn't have any idea for oxy monster the only thing the DA was able to get was the username that was used to log log into this exchange. Where now was it? This was the only evidence uncovered. An oxy monster could have used any username in the world. Random digits it's our letters anything but oxy monster made a huge mistake and chose the username delirious and once the agents found this account account which was called delirious they set about trying to find more information and the guests that this might be. Someone's last name. So they looked at social media and unsearched around the Internet and it wasn't long before they found a guy online name Gal delirious. He's a French national with social profiles on twitter and Instagram Gava. Liras was thirty six years old living in the Brittany region of France with his wife and child and he had the French English and Israeli citizenship. feds thought he might be the person behind the oxy monster count so agents began to compare pair the dream market posts with the post and social media looking for similarities. In the writing they found common words. Used like for instance both oxy monster and dream market and GAL Valerian. Serious on twitter. Said cheers a lot in their post. Both sets of posts were sometimes written in French and used exclamation marks in the same way to the. Da Began. Dan Too strongly suspect that galleries was oxy monster but they still needed solid evidence to secure the case against him. mm-hmm one thing the. Da did discover when poking around and gals social media was a slightly unusual interest beards. That is growing doing and comparing beard links. Gal had a long beard down to his waist and he seemed pretty proud of it and he was a competitor in the world beard and Mustache Championships. An inactive member in an APP called beard wars on his social media account. He was posting that the next year. Weird Competition was in Austin Texas on September. First two thousand seventeen and guess who was going Gal was going to Austin to compete in a beard competition Titian when agents realized Gal was flying into the US to attend the new. This was a chance the DA contacted homeland security investigations. And ask for their help. The plan was to detain Gal at the airport. While he was going through customs they were going to tell him this routine check on all digital devices that he had with him remember. They've been watching Gal from months slowly building a case that he was the guy behind oxy monster profile Andrea market. This airport play was a big deal and the feds had the act. Quick September was fast approaching and they needed more evidence if they were going to link cow with oxy Monster. If they're going to get this into court this was a bit of a gamble. The feds part. They knew he was flying into the US for this three day beard competition and they just assumed it was going to bring his laptop and in the country with him. I mean if he was is going to be coming for a few days maybe he'd want to tend to his dark markets Sindhu some trading while he was away right. I guess that's a fair assumption. If they could get pass whatever encryption and password protection he had on there they might be able to get the evidence to prove. That Gal is oxy monster. So that's what the cops were better not getting in into. His computer would be crucial for convicting him and it posed a real challenge to authorities so they had to come up with a plan to arrest Gal at the airport with his laptop laptop unlocked and when we come back from the break. We'll hear what the authorities did. This episode is brought to you. By molecule molecule is a complete reinvention invention of the air purifier. Not just an improvement on existing outdated technology was developed by scientists whose son suffered from asthma and who was frustrated by the fact that hemp air purifiers. I did not relieve his son. Symptoms the technology within molecule actually destroys the full spectrum of indoor air pollutants. 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The agents told them. This is a routine check for. US passengers flying into the country and they have to check all electronic devices for child pornography or Nagasaki a homeland security agent. Then search their bags. He found Gal Samsung Laptop and Apple. IPHONE IOS. Men's IPHONE and IPAD tablet blet customs agents asked Gal for his pins and passwords to access. Speed devices now. You think anyone involved in dark net trading would be guarding those passwords with their life. But Gal still thinking this is just a routine check handed them over. He logged into his devices prices and unlocked his computers for the agents and the agents left the room with his devices and didn't come back for two hours. Gal must have started to get nervous at some point waiting for them to return. I mean jeeze two hours long time to wait for. US Customs check your devices. I bet he regretted logging in. I mean Gosh. What is he thinking? Now he's stuck in a country he's not familiar with in a side room with some customs agents and typically. It's hard to argue with these guys or else you might have to go back home. He was getting more worried the longer they took the more nervous. You guys and the agents told him that they were searching his computer for child porn and he knew he didn't have any so he thought is probably safe and the probably thinking that the customer agents wouldn't be able to recognize what dark markets were were tore or anything like that an a typical customer agent. Mino those are but little. Did he know these weren't normal. Customs agents in the other room agents logged into gals laptop using his passwords and started to look around. You pretty quickly found an application on. His desktop called Wallet inside was five hundred thousand dollars worth of Bitcoin next they found the tour browser and what looked like logging. Details details for dream market. There were getting pretty excited now. This was looking good then. They found the private. PGP key labeled oxy Z.. Monster a quick check and they confirmed this is the key that matched the key. Anoxia monsters dream market account and this proved that Galvaligi it was oxygen monster and with that the feds had enough evidence to arrest and convict him when the agents finally returns that little room where they were holding gallon the arrested him for conspiracy to distribute narcotics operating dark net marketplace and money laundering who is also given his Miranda rights when asked about about to bitcoin found Gal told them he had taken money out of his bank account and just bought the Bitcoin. I'm sure all it's perfectly legal to hold bitcoin. And after that Gal L.. Ask for a Hebrew speaking lawyer the Knicks Day a search warrant was granted for full forensics search on gals laptop and phone. The search confirmed the evidence that the agents found at the airport. Gow was in trouble the world beer championships in Austin took place that day but without Gal while his competitors were doing whatever it. Is You do at a beard competition Gal. His award-winning beard were in police custody. The and had just been indicted for conspiracy to distribute drugs five months after that in January of two thousand eighteen and announcement was made from the US US Attorney General. Jeff Sessions J. Code. I kind of like it by bringing together the. Da are safe streets. Task Forces are drug trafficking task task forces healthcare fraud special agents and other assets and the FBI it will more than double its investment in the fight against is online drug trafficking. J. Code stands for joint criminal opioid darkness enforcement and was going into full effect. This was going to be the. FBI's flagship flagship task force to take down dark marketplaces selling. Opiates and bring prosecutions against the administrators vendors while Gal sat in his prison cell awaiting weeding trial the FBI and Department of Justice were gearing up to investigate and identify more vendors and more markets across the dark net with more funding more agents more investigations and intelligence analyst. Dark drug marketplace's were firmly in the crosshairs of the Fed's gala was not granted bill and stayed eight in custody in the US. His lawyers wanted to get rid of the evidence found on his laptop at the airport. That was the stuff that would seal his fate. If they could get that thrown out Gal would have a fighting chance chance in March of two thousand eighteen seven months after his arrest they submitted a motion to have this evidence ruled inadmissible. It said that Gal had voluntarily handed over over his device passwords but he did that before being given his Miranda rights and it said he did it under false information that the agents were hunting for child porn and he didn't give them consent to route through his files and folders looking for Bitcoin dark web connections and logging details while the legal process for Gout was slow moving the new who. FBI JAYCO team was not hanging about on April third. They announced the result of g coats. First Mission in they called it operation. Disarray Operation Gratien disarray. Is Gone was to coordinate take down of multiple dark market vendors who were in the US. A March thirtieth team had made a total of eight arrests conducted. One hundred sixty interviews sees numerous weapons computer equipment counterfeit currency and drugs all related to dark net markets vendors if you go to the FBI's website and look for operation disarray. You'll see this video of them making arrests so this week around the country where executing operation disarray The FBI headquarters has sent out Information and important coordination field offices all over the country. We're working with all our federal partners who are involved as well To go out and both encounter customers of talk with marketplace's dark web narcotics traffickers as well as sort of get the word out on the dangerous and potentially what they're purchasing from the picture at the back of the plan and it is on the corner so there's two doors morning we've come out to execute to federal search warrants an arrest warrant on individual that say dark web narcotics trafficker In particular. This traffic is specializing the OPIOID derivatives professional. And we meet up here to pre briefing talk-up everybody's the last minute changes what their assigned duties are. Make sure they're on the same page to make sure it's August safely. Aw So we added a successfully Exclude the search warrant and searched system. Cells resulted in the a seizure of both narcotics firearm and on numerous digital devices which may have been used to set up and facilitate this activity online individuals transported of course to the US marshals and federal courthouse. Here before a judge goal is to of course remind the the end user the end purchaser of both of the dangers of the marketplace. In the fact that law enforcement is very cognizant of this activity and we're GONNA continue to stay on top of it. G recode law enforcement's newest operation against the dark markets was in full swing for Gal. His situation just got worse. On April twenty fourth. Another charge was added to his indictment indictment conspiracy to commit money laundering so now he had more charges Gow was looking at a potential life sentence behind bars if he was found guilty his wife desperately. He pleaded for him to be shown mercy but the feds weren't budging along with Oxycontin Ritalin. They believed galerias. oxy Monster was involved in the sale of methamphetamine. I mean phenomenal heroin cocaine and LSD. Through his roles in the Dream Mark on May tenth two thousand eighteen. The prosecution dropped their final playing card against first gal emotion to have his past criminal history included in his trial. At this point it all became clear. Kiala was not new to the dark net or selling drugs using bitcoin he was pretty seasoned player. They found connections of him being on Silkroad so cro two Alpha Bay handsome in a long list of other dark markets under the username Guillaume which means hell and Hebrew. They also said Gal had been a member of an online criminal form since October. The two thousand sixteen but I couldn't find any details about that now. Remember handsome market right. Gal was a vendor there to know the details are not clear here because because it seems it was a different username but oxy monster was an active seller on Hansa in fact there were even chat logs where he was talking to the Dutch police through Hansa site. I don't know how the DA made the connection that he was the same person but they did perhaps because of a matching email address or bitcoin. Wallet or something. I'm not sure but it seems like the Dutch catch. Police said quite a lot of information about him when they took down Hansa and all this adding up was a huge hit to gal and just after that his motion to have his laptop evidence thrown out was rejected. If Scott went to trial now he'd be facing some very strong cases against him at this point. The evidence of illegal dark net activities was mountainous and dating back years. I guess he realized the game was up so gal changed his plea to guilty a month later on June twelfth he accepted a plea deal. He agreed to plead guilty to both of the charges against him. In relation to selling being in distributing oxycontin and Ritalin he would also forfeit all of the bitcoin proceeds. He had amassed through his dark netease at the time. This was agreed on in October October. Two thousand eighteen. This would have been over. Seven hundred thousand dollars worth of Bitcoin and Bitcoin. Cash has gone waited to be sentenced. The feds Ed's had to do something with all the bitcoin that they seize from him. See the problem with Bitcoin is well. It's virtual it's not widely accepted and really isn't that much use to the Justice Department. Garmin at all and this I came after the arrest of Ross Ulbricht of Soak wrote amount of Bitcoin sees from Ross was colossal like one hundred and seventy thousand bitcoin under forfeiture of assets. The feds are used to getting houses or cars or boats or jewelry. Physical things that they can sell for cash but bitcoin is entirely different thing. It was decided that bitcoin would be treated as an asset rather than money. So it'd be handed over to the US marshals who have responsibility for disposing housing of the seized assets of criminals so the US marshals decided to auction the bitcoin off. Yeah turn it into cash. They'd sell it off to to the highest bidder to do this. They have to be real careful. They're not selling criminally obtained bitcoin back to criminals so a two hundred thousand dollar deposit is required art and registration into the action is required government issued. ID's documents must be presented before you can bid auction. This worked and four auctions later between in June two thousand fourteen in November two thousand fifteen the US marshals had made sixty six million dollars from the Silk Road. Bitcoin but then where does the money go. Well it seems seems if victims of crimes were involved in some of the money goes back to compensate them and the law enforcement agencies. Who worked on the case can apply to get some of the money back into their agency so sometimes they get some at the rest goes straight to the Department of Justice? We're than the apparently handout. Bits two different law enforcement agencies wherever they see fit in other words. We don't really know where the money goes. And so far they haven't done anything with gals seven hundred thousand dollars in Bitcoin. Will they auctioned off. Probably but the government isn't too keenum telling people how much bitcoin and there can be huge gaps between seizing. Bitcoin like they did from Gal and actually putting it to auction which is weird to me Eh but also makes it very hard to track. We might not ever know when gals BITCOIN's go up for bid Gal of course is never going to see his bitcoins again on in October. Nineteen thousand eighteen in the southern district of Florida. Gal stood in front of the judge be sentenced he gave short answers in Hebrew. And then the judge sentenced First Gal Valeria to twenty years in prison gals arrest and conviction took out a big player in the dark net drug markets. It was a win for the feds. Who believed they proved at the dark market vendors could be tracked and identified and that undercover operations could be very effective but even though Gal was is behind bars dream market was still open for business and thriving by January two thousand nineteen? The feds were on a roll though the FBI's Jayco team riding on the back of their operation disarray. Success were onto their next mission. This time they called it. Operation Saboteur on January eleventh agents across the US and international law enforcement agencies work together to identify and disrupt the big players selling drugs in the dark markets pooling their resources and manpower they were using everything there available to them to make a serious impact operation saboteur was not mucking around a month later in mid February the dream market started to have problems platform became intermittently unstable vendors. Couldn't log in briars couldn't access the website it would work and then it will work and then it would work again mods. We're posting to dread a dark for him. And they said that dream market was under a De dos attack by hackers demanding. Four hundred thousand dollars. But the dream market ADLEMAN was refusing to pay and trying to find a work around to stabilize the market and it turned out. It wasn't just dreamed that was getting hit. Two other leading marketplace's empire and nightmare we're also getting De dos to March twenty sixth the US Department of Justice publicly announced Operation Salvator and its results during operations saboteur. Our law enforcement partners coke with over a hundred dark net drug buyers approximately sixty one dark matt drug. Traffickers were arrested fifty-one firearms received almost three hundred kilograms of drugs and over seven million dollars in cash and cryptocurrency a sees Let's put into together here for a second the feds the FBI. Hi is doubling down on their fight against the seal of OPIOID and are actively trying to find vendors and stop them and at the same time they just got access to oxy monsters. Astor's computer now keep in mind. oxy Monster was an Admin to dream market. So I'm just assuming here but it seems like a fair assumption that this means means at the FBI was probably now admins of the dream market. Because if I was an FBI agent on this task force. I would certainly it'd be posing as oxy Monster. who was the Admin and not show my hand I would save all the chat logs with other admins and dealers and I would try we get more information from other admins? I would certainly look to see if I could find out who owned dream market because the FBI has a keen interest in taking down this market place. So I'm willing to bet. They use their unique position here to try to take down dream market and the people who run the site and on that very same day that the F. B. I. Announced Operation Saboteur. A notice appeared on the front page of dream told users the market would be shutting down on April thirtieth but it would be moving to a partner platform and it would get a new onion address. This was unusual if the Fed Fed Scott Control of dream. I don't think they would move it to a whole new website with a new U. R. L. and everything. Maybe the owners figured out. The feds had admin access. And were just. It's like jumping ship. I don't know but this was a voluntary shutdown of a really successful dark market. It's not unheard of that. This happens but it's definitely unusual and what's also strange as the message wasn't signed with the usual. PGP he which was expected from the markets Adleman but as soon as at notice notice went up the De dos attacks on dream appeared to have stopped users turned once again to the dark forums to try to get some answers but there was a new problem. The Red it dark market forum which was available on the surface net had been banned from the site. Our new read at policy meant its its content violated the rules and the sub it had been removed but the dread forum were still up since. It's a forum on the dark net and more posts from Mont started showing up. There they said dream was rebuilding and would be opening again soon as a new dark market and it would be better built and more resilient from Diaz attacks while everyone was waiting for this new you dream market to appear after Operation Saboteur. The feds got another win. This time involving big time vendors on dream just nine days. After the Operation Saboteur was announced on April fourth. Three men were arrested in New Jersey. Chester jared and Ronald had been operating two storefronts on the the market under the name sin met under a fake company called Knicks Level Research and development. These guys had allegedly bought a powder mixer pill press a tablet making machine they had a diy pill making factory. We're selling deadly factional laced heroin along with ZANEX and methamphetamines. In fact they were up there as one of the top three dream vendors with the most amount of sales taking payments in Bitcoin. They were loading prepaid debit card account. So they could use the CRYPTO tiptoe cash at ATM's to withdraw Bitcoin Cash. The feds believed Sindbad Launder Two Point Three Million Dollars cryptocurrency selling them through dream market and using using the laundering method over two year period. Their use of ATM's is what eventually got them caught. Chester was charged with selling controlled substances and identity entity theft and jared and Ronald were faced with conspiracy and money laundering charges. Right at the same time dream users began to report that dream support. Staff half or scamming vendors. There were locking down. People's accounts and asking for vendors passwords and recently is bitcoin addresses to verify their identity and if the vendor vendor sent their password over the password was then changed and their PGP key removed so the vendor can access their account at all with echoes of what the feds did when they took over Hansa so this was not good news for dream for two months nothing happened. Dream planned on switching to a New York l. but just hadn't then in July a new market popped up and it was an almost exact replica of dream was called the SAMSAR market. Was this the new market. That dream was promised. Maybe I guess it seems so but it was slow going. Jim Users were suspicious with many being that this is just a honeypot set up by the feds leads to capture more vendors and buyers but the site looks good it works good and began getting some traction however in November two thousand nineteen seen it went off line. Seidman said they're experiencing a massive De dos attack and have gone off line and it's been down for months now now. It's still down during the time of this recording. I'm not sure if it's coming back. Or why perhaps this is another move executed by feds through J code since they don't seem to be letting up on the persistent attack on all of these sites across Albrecht the founder of Soco the first big dark marquette. He got prison in for life. alpha-based founder Alexander Causes could possibly have the same charges but he's dead now. oxy Monster was administrator. The senior mud an active vendor dream market. WHO's now in prison for twenty years as dark net career is over? Dream has gone down his bitcoin. Fortune has been handed over to the feds and he'll now spend decades behind bars which makes me wonder if he's going to come out with the most epic beard of all time. Some imprisons allow prisoners to grow beards especially for religious reasons but others force people to trim it back to a quarter inch in length for security reasons what gut gal identified and caught was because of a mistake on his part. Not using a tumbler for the bitcoin tip jar using the same tip address in multiple places aces and sending his tips to an exchange with his last name. As his logging Gal was not new dark markets. He'd been around the block along time and he's still left a trail. It's easy to see the mistakes Gal made now but it's not so easy to stay safe when you're juggling dozens of accounts hundreds of thousands thousands of bitcoin and doing it for years and years and years one or two little slip ups is all it takes. Guy had no idea the feds Tauron to him and just how much they had traced back to him. The good news of this story is that some vendors have been rooted out and stopped. This is seriously messed up drug. That has no business in any drug dealers hands. I know I've mentioned Fitna a few times in this episode but I'm not sure you fully understand. The Dangers. Offers of it. Footnote was first prescribed by doctors. Specifically if you're suffering from some extreme pain due to cancer and there's no other opioids that are actually working on you. The doctor might prescribe you a patch or lollipop but this is a potent drug the smallest pinch of Sentinel is lethal to give you a better idea. A typical all single pill of ibuprofen is two hundred. Milligrams a lethal dose of one milligram. so that one tablet is two hundred times a lethal dose. It was phenomenal in. Yes people are dying from overdosing on prescription opioid based drugs. And if they can't find knows they'll find heroin and possibly overdose on that right but fitna is in a whole nother league because it's so potent. It's so easy to die from which has killed over ninety five thousand people in the last five years which is about sixty percent of all opioid debts. I mean just listen to what happened in this small town in West Virginia Huntington once a arriving industrial hub had been crippled by years of job loss rising crime and sixteen hundred overdoses the previous year. The calls started coming in at three twenty one on a warm August afternoon. It just four hours twenty. Six people had overdosed on a batch of feno laced heroin. Why dysfunctional all of a sudden the leading cause of OPIOID deaths? One big reason is because it's synthetically made anyone can just order a bunch of it from China and get it shipped to you and from there you can try your a hand and making heroin leased Feno for much much cheaper which results in a lot of money for drug dealers but can I switch gears here and just rant for a second when young people are making huge bank off the sale of Feno. And I'm mad about it because they're doing it recklessly the US government has tried to make policies policies to make sure doctors only prescribed sentinel to patients who really need it to patients who have pain so severe. That no other opioids work anymore but the group that controls this regulation regulation is mckesson one of the largest drug distributors and they didn't control the distribution of fennel very well they made it easy for doctors to prescribe and this mismanaged program resulted in major manufacturers like Johnson and Johnson and Cecil on to go nuts encouraging doctors to prescribe bribe Feno. These companies made hundreds of millions of dollars from that single drug which resulted in many deaths and addictions and deaths from addictions. And things got so bad that both cephlon and Johnson and Johnson were investigated by the US government and find massive amounts. Johnson and Johnson faced a multi billion dollar lawsuit it for misrepresenting. The dangers of opioids to doctors and CEPHLON was hit with a two hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit trying to turn into a routine pain management drug. These are the legal filmmakers and pushers making huge amounts of money from these drugs in reckless ways and illegal ways but in my opinion the worst of these drugmakers makers was insists. Listen to this clip from NBC News. That explains the trouble. They got into drug company executive and found guilty in a bribery case involving the OPIOID Buick. Sentinel the multi billionaire founder of insys therapeutics and four other top executives convicted of racketeering prosecutors. Say Their scheme involved Paul bribes kickbacks even left dances for physicians who prescribed large amounts of the company's federal spray to patients. Who did not need it? You see this this. This is bad. The legal drug dealers have gotten scores of people addicted to AETNA. WHO had no business taking fennel? Sarah Fuller didn't have cancer. She was plagued with chronic neck and back pain from two car accidents but her. Dr Vivian. Madeleine actually brought an incest sales rep to an appointment appointment. Fourteen months. After she started taking subsidies Sarah was found dead on her bedroom floor. What killed your daughter? Well technically we know that a dot com couldn't care less about a human life accord case against insists went on for a while out an ultimately resulted in a fine of two hundred and twenty five million dollars which actually bankrupted insists with the company find. Prosecutors then went after top executives. John Kapoor being the CEO and founder of incest was the main target. He was found guilty for getting doctors. Dr To overprescribe fan now to patients who had no business taking it also insists than John Kapoor could make more money one of the pieces of evidence that came up in John Kapoor's court case. Was this music video autumn. And I'll just like you listen to the first. I want to be voice. You can be choice. ABC Real back in two two thousand fifteen. Let me be therapeutic. Static is on raising the ball and we're changing the two great. It takes the decision to it. Be Better than the competition's service likely never seen go deeper than dead in the submarine build relationships healthy dot more fees. We built here campaign to shutter waffle. What the competition just fake it noise historique the VIP service? Like you've never seen shoutout to Kapoor. I got new patients and I got a lot of them got and it goes on to say how well they treat their reps and they even have a wrapping spray bottles. Who goes on to say that other putting all drugs are like prescribing the hall which is just a sweetness teach you like beast strangely enough? The Guy Inside AETNA's spray bottle in music video was an executive at insys also and he got in trouble for this too and was found guilty so John Kapoor was found guilty for racketeering and just last week in January two thousand twenty. We heard what his sentencing sensing. The highest ranking drug company. Executive convicted in the OPIOID crisis is headed to prison but the sentence is not harsh enough for some who you say. He got away with murder. A judge sentence insys therapeutics founder. John Kapoor to five and a half years for his role in bribing doctors. The prescribe powerful painkiller. Subsidies sized oxy Monster is serving twenty years in prison for selling opioids on the market. Kyle Enos serving eight years for selling Fenton all to one hundred and sixty eight people. Four of which died from has has drugs billionaire. John Kapoor founder of incest was found guilty for influencing doctors to overprescribe fennel to patients. Who didn't need it? Oh and the court court records show the FDA estimates that eight thousand people died from taking the federal spray that insists produced. That guy got five in half years. Wouldn't it be weird of oxy Monster. John Kapoor ended up at cellmates. It's just interesting to see these two drug dealers both guilty for unethically selling the same drug. But they're both locked up for two totally different reasons reasons. Oh and I should add here that it's been a week since John. Kapoor has been sentenced to five and a half years in prison. And guess what he hasn't gone to prison yet he's still home because 'cause he's trying to get a suspension of the sentence until his appeal is completed which might be months or a year away But you know what John Kapoor poor is seventy six years old right now so if he serves five and a half years in prison. He's going to get out when he's eighty two years old and what bothers me still his at these huge pharmaceutical companies who manufacture and distribute feno recklessly are some of the biggest makers for the Lacson and suboxone. which are the drugs used to treat opioid addiction? These companies are making billions and billions and billions now by selling drugs to treat this opioid crisis. Says that they had a hand in creating to me. This is the worst part of the OPIOID epidemic. Is that these major drug manufacturers. Let the genie loose. The recklessly got US addicted and are now making big money off the aftermath of it all you probably know somebody who's died from Feno Prince. Tom Petty Mac Miller L. died from an overdose of sentinel. They didn't know they were taking too much. They weren't trying to die. It wasn't their fault. Fuck vetnar and everything about God. Hey Dr dies is now on the dark net. What do you think of that? You can visit us there at U. K. A. Five Y B P M h three four V onion. This so is created by the original mini mine. Jack reciter this episode was written by the dark mouse. Fiona guy are you editing. By the font conscious Damian sound designed by the Mary Andrew Meriwether the music is by the bubbling brake master cylinder in. Even though I get downloaded every time I see it. This is dark that diaries
Quickie: Peter Rollins Conquers Fear with Desire
"Uh-huh guess what the minimalists are going on tour with a live version of the minimalists. PODCAST and I want to invite you to join us for a night of less. Find your nearest city at the minimalists dot com slash tour. We'll see there are our desires tied to our fears and vice versa Let's talk about fear here because it does seem to me to. To a great extent stint maybe our fears often fuel our desires or it could also stumped them to write like my fear of of going snowboarding. I have absolutely allowed that to just stunt my my love for snowboarding but I'm the type of but I'm the type of person though where it does fuel me go in the sense that I'm fearful something I'm like. Oh I gotta go out and face that head on and I'm going to see if I can conquer it but I could see where a lot of people they want to go to the party. They want to be outgoing. But they're so scared. What people are GonNa think that they kind of like shoved that desire down that don't do. I think they still have the desire though they just don't take action on it. I mean maybe this desire go away at some point but it seems to me that that when we were afraid of something it often It's it's certainly tied to our desire. There's something going on that. I mean a simple example. Is this happened to me. I was at a party recently. There was a guy there We got talking and he was telling only me that he was terrified of death. How To real fear of death on with something that oxy power lies demo at a lot of time in his life and as we were talking He because he's also tried to find solutions to this and And but we were chatting and I was kind of like. Oh well here you know what if what if you're not afraid creative death what if you're obsessed with And and actually you're what what you're afraid of your desire just like if you look for cliff and and you feel like you want to jump you know you feel like that because you fear jumping because there's something in you that wants to jump so. I live in the thirty first floor of an apartment and I have this window lupins up on a house on a plastic kind of barriers. We count full light. But you can't see. It is clear plastic. So I'll often whenever someone comes up I'll see if they can like like like put their hands behind their back and full against the plastic you know so but It's interesting how some people are terrified of even it's not a nice thing to do to people but Or some people are terrified of going near the window. Even sure on on. It's not everybody's then entrusted daft but because sometimes if you got that fear ear of falling it actually shoes that you have a fear of you have a death. Drive a fear of death so that that's an example of high and it was funny 'cause talking to him it did she inches perspective perspective like he did is we talked. He was like actually. There is a part of me that wants to die and he is like and so because because here was he was asking me because he news that I'm interested in these ideas and he was gonNA hide. I overcome my fear of death on wall. I talked invites. Going no notably overcoming your fear of death. You never will. What you have to do is look at your desire to die on as you make peace without desire and as you work at three. Fear of death will disappear. You're trying to get rid of the fear of death. Breath work work through your desire and as you work through your desire. The fear will disappear. Alright all right. We hope you found value in that standalone quickey episode. If you enjoyed it and you want more Ryan and I record a long form maximal episode each week over at the minimalists private private podcast find all the details and all the good stuff including an additional private podcast episode every week over at the minimalists dot com slash support.
Your Time is An Account With An Unknown Balance
"Each day you are living piece of your life if you were to think about time as a currency your currency is always flowing out you have an account and that account has a certain amount of time in it but you don't know how much is in that account and so it makes sense to spend that account in a way that feels purposeful to you. That's likely why you are listening to this. Podcast in the first place because you want to do something. Meaningful purposeful fulfilling. Whatever word you use to describe using that time in a way that you don't feel that you've squandered it in today's episode. We're going to do three things. I I'm going to share a concept the you can carry forward with you into your career and the rest of your life going to give you one exercise that you can try and finally. I'm going to ask you one question. All three things are pointed at helping you find ways to spend your time more purposefully. My name is Jonathan Control. You're listening to develop not go on the show up driven developers Accu- find clarity perspective and purpose in their careers. I WanNa get something out of the way here. Because I think a lot of people take episodes like this and they forced them into a reasoning or justification for trying to optimize every single minute of their lives for some kind of output. This can lead to overwork. He can lead to a lot of anxiety about the fact that we are limited on time and it can lead us to live lives that we ultimately don't even like very much. There's a difference in living a life. That feels purposeful feels meaningful and living a life of scarcity. A life of scarcity is driven by the idea that everything is running out that. There's not enough of anything and we have to fight to be able to have what we need or what we want. And the Intro of this episode depending on the way that you relate to this idea the answer to this episode might trigger that built in model the you may have of scarcity that scarcity mentality that you might already have and this is not the intention of this episode instead and winter to think about your time as something that is abundant not scarce. And not in the sense that you have all the time in the world but rather that each moment you do have is full of potential and meaning and every experience you have in front of you and every experience that you have behind you you can find meaning in so a lot of this is about how you relate to those experiences more than it is necessarily about changing those experiences so with that in mind. Let's jump into the first concept that I want to challenge you with today and this is a model of thinking that you might use when you're prioritizing whatever it is that you're going to do a given day or even a larger level on a quarter or a yearly basis and this certainly applies across entire decades of your life and it's very simple. The concept is this. I do only what only you can do. Think about this. Her second I do only what only you can do. So it's helpful to sit down and think through this may be right out notes a framework of thinking about all the different roles that you fill in your life and in each role. There's likely something that only you can do a lot of things that only you can do are related to taking care of yourself for example. No one else can exercise for you. No one else can learn new skills for you. No one else can fill the shoes that you fill in all of those key relationships in your life now not everything They only you can do is worth prioritizing but the things that only you can do that are important are things that you might consider to be higher priority. Some of the most consistent advice that you will hear from people who have reached high levels of success is that they wish they had taken time to do exactly this to take care of themselves because no one else can do that for them to spend time in those relationships because no one else can do that for them and this isn't just limited to your personal life. This isn't just about this isn't intended to be a motivational speech to go. And get you to connect to those meaningful things in your life. This can also be about the tactical things the work in your life for example unless we totally changed the model of this show. No one else can record this podcast for me now. Here's a bonus. Thought that you might want to consider when you get this list nailed down of things that only you can do. It might be useful to you to consider if there are too many things on that list or they're things that don't have to be on that list in other words. You might have things on this list. That are not fundamentally restrained to only you. They may be elected restraints things that you could delegate if you were to prioritize this list and cut out the bottom half of it how would your life change? Admittedly this is an over concept. The contributions that I provide in my day to day job. Someone else could probably do that job. But that doesn't mean I can simply cut it out because by doing that job. I am doing something else by proxy that only I can do but this model of thinking does reinforce some very important thought patterns for example. No one else can enjoy your life for you and this is kind of the point of thinking in the scarcity model and squandering our time only to work sometimes the resource of time. That's flowing out of that Undetermined account that. You have sometimes. The best thing you can do might be considered totally unproductive. We're GONNA take a quick sponsor break and then I'm going to come back and give you one exercise and one question then. We'll hope you think about your time a little bit differently. Today's episode is sponsored by oxy. Labs oxy labs provides a real time crawler a web scraper residential and data center proxies labs now introducing next generation residential proxies a significantly improved data gathering solution with the next generation proxies you get thirty million global. Ip actually over thirty million global IP addresses these are resource-efficient and everything is handled on oxy labs side for example user agents and IP rotation. All of this helps you keep your scraping live. However you are gathering your data through scraping oxy labs can help oxy. Labs provides deep understanding in knowledge on how to acquire web data as a service. They have dedicated account managers for every client. And they're already trusted by over. Five hundred companies for initiatives like sales intelligence market research seo monitoring and more visit oxy labs dot co slash developer. Tha that's oxy labs dot I O. Slash developer T to find out more about the services and apply for a free trial of the next generation residential proxies thanks again oxy laps for sponsoring today's episode of Developer T. So I have an exercise and a question to ask you to help you think about your time this account that we've been talking about a little bit differently. I I want you to think about your day the day this coming up today. If you're listening to the morning or consider tomorrow below your calendar if you can and figure out the different transitions that you're going to have for example. Very simple transitions might be waking up and getting out of bed for me. One of my transitions is going downstairs and making some coffee transitions between meetings or from lunchtime. Back into work all of these moments that are kind of between events in a given day and everyone has different transitions. Another important transition for me is the moments between When I get off of work and when I pick up my children from school and these transitions are critical. Because so many times we mindlessly allow our thinking and our kind of trailing thought processes to leak from one event into the other and so not only are we distracted by whatever it is that we were doing but we also can't bring with us the right mindset for the thing that we're about to do very often. This is why things tend to go faster than you expect him to. Because by the time you are present by the time your mind has caught up to the fact that you're on to the next thing it's time to prepare to go to the next thing. So here's what I'd like for you to do as an exercise and you can practice this now. Consider this episode this podcast a transition from the first part of your day into the next part of your day. Take a moment to totally calm your mind. This is not the easiest thing to do. It's it's hard to stop thinking about. Whatever it is that you're thinking about but try to let this thoughts go and be mindful for a moment if you've ever practiced meditation. This is kind of like a mini version of that. So what does it mean to be mindful while one way that you can do? This is to focus on releasing the muscular tension. In your body. You can start with your feet where you can start with your shoulders or your face and once you become mindful of the tension. That's there you might be surprised that you're holding that tension to begin with other mindful techniques are focusing on the breath or perhaps of visualization. We've done visualizations on this show before but it doesn't have to be a prolonged thing really. You're just trying to kind of clear your mind so you can ask yourself this question and this is the question that I'm going to leave you with in today's episode. The question is simple. What do I want to bring into the next part of my day? What do I want to bring into the next part of my day? This can be feeling sick. Can Be emotions as can be energy and excitement. It can be intention very rarely. Are you going to say that you went to drag along something that you've left behind something that you didn't finish that's lingering in your mind very rarely? Will you answer this question by saying I'd like to continue thinking about something else? Most of the time. If we think about this question we really do want to be present in the moment is how we arrive at an abundance mindset rather than a scarcity mindset. What can we do to make the most of the next moments Pera lives? Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of developer. T thank you again to oxy. Labs for sponsoring. Today's episode had Vertu Oxy Labs Dot. Io Slash Developer T. That's all one word. Oxy LABS DOT IO slash developer t to find out more and apply for a free trial. Today's episode was produced by Sarah Jackson. My name is Jonathan Cottrell. And it's all next time. Enjoy your TV.
You Don't Have to Be a Slave to Self-Improvement
"Why do you think you need to be great if this question caught your attention? It's likely because you like so many other people have this implicit goal as built in drive something informing you that you need to be improving the need to continue working becoming coming better at your craft becoming faster or somehow improving all the time towards some endless goal. Where did this come from? And how does it function and our lives or perhaps more importantly. How does it make our lives dysfunctional? Well that's what I'm talking about in today's episode of Developer T. My name is Jonathan Cottrell and go on the show itself. Driven developers like you find clarity perspective and purpose in their careers when we allow our surrounding culture to set our goals for us we. We will adopt the goals of the average person in that culture. Think about this. It's a simple concept when we you don't set your own goals instead we will fall to the systems that we've created around us particularly most most likely. We will set goals that the people that were close to set. We will mirror our social situations or our work situations very often. Those are marrying some kind of larger culture that they're part of and right. Now it is very common Particularly in American culture or American influenced culture to adopt this goal of always improving with the mindset that there is never going to be a point where I am satisfied. And here's the reality. They WanNa make a distinction here because this episode this show wouldn't exist if we didn't believe leave. That developers have good reason for improving in fact the whole purpose of the SPEC network is to help nope designers and developers level up in their careers. But here's what I want to make very clear about the network about this show if you come to the table table without any of your own goals in mind if you're just trying to become a better designer or a better developer without knowing why you want to become a better designer or developer then I encourage you to pause this podcast and ask yourself that that question and I want you to think about this as if you are in that category of people who are just kind of blindly trying to improve because because somehow somewhere you learned you found out that it would be good for you to become a better designer good for you to become a better developer faster developer or to add to your skill set and wants you to view this question as a turning wing point in your career what exactly not abstract not generally but what exactly would becoming better give to you and I want you to be brutally honest about your intentions here. It's okay by the wave. The answer to be would allow me to make more money than I would like to make more money. It's also okay to say that you would feel better about about yourself if you were a little bit more competent as a developer. Perhaps you have a common a common goal all that a lot of people share being able to build really interesting and impactful products. But I want you to get very clear with yourself about y. What is your exact real motivation? Now we don't have to set lifelong goals with this little exercise. And I'm asking you to do this isn't about you know trying to figure out what your whole identity is but instead what should have you this as a determining your source motivation ovation your original motivation and even if the answer is that you don't know that's the kind of thing that I want you to you bring up. Don't try to create a new motivation that didn't exist before. Be Honest with yourself. Where did your desire to become better? Come from we're GONNA take a quick sponsor break but after we come back we're GONNA talk about why it's easy to get caught in the trap of perpetually. Are you trying to improve in one area. Maybe your energy is spent better in a different way. Today's episode is sponsored by Oxy Labs. oxy He labs a top provider of innovative web data gathering services. Like they're real time. crawler their web scraper and the residential and data center proxies oxy oxy labs is now introducing next generation residential proxies. This is eight significantly improved data-gathering solution because here's the reality. Scraping data is really tough if your Ip gets blacklisted for example you no longer get that data and it's hard hard to get blacklisted. That's why oxy labs provides a stable and fast proxy pool of over thirty million global. Ip addresses it's resource-efficient with proxy management user agents Ip rotation. All of this is done on the oxy lab side and with oxy labs. You're going to get block free scraping you can get through things like capture and by the way oxy labs. This is what they do. They have have a deep understanding and knowledge on how to acquire web data. They have a dedicated account manager for every client. And it's already trusted by over five hundred companies for sales intelligence market research. Seo Monitoring and plenty more visit oxy labs dot io slash developer t to find out more about the services and apply for a free trial of their next generation residential proxies. Thanks again oxy labs for sponsoring today's episode of Developer T. At first. I may seem like a silly question that we've asked in this episode. Why do you want to improve? It seems very core to our humanity. Hannity that we want to always get better than we have a desire to learn and adjust and become more effective at what we're trying to do but here's what ends up happening instead very often. We take this idea of wanting to constantly become better to evolve and we compress it. We compress it into one specific way to to become better. We compress all of our goals and our ideals and our results into individual actions or individual all measurements. You can imagine this concept as taking this this broad idea of self-improvement or self bettering getting better over time and we shove it into the small Nehru frame of becoming a better programmer and the assumption is that by becoming a better programmer. We might be able to do more have more control over our lives or perhaps perhaps have a better job. We might be able to create better work better products. We might be able to gain more notoriety amongst our peers amongst a broader culture of programmers. And by doing all these things that somehow while we create more of a foothold to improve more broadly in our lives. We might feel more satisfied if we're creating better better products for example or perhaps we are just going after better economic situations making more money with their jobs very often developers fall into the trap of thinking that the results that they're looking for or are simply accomplished by becoming ed better programmer. Instead I want you to think about this journey of self improvement as abroad an open concept and that perhaps your version of improving and constantly becoming better doesn't necessarily mean the you have an endless path for improving as a programmer. Let me say that one more time because I think this is really critical for a lot of developers to here. It's very possible that I ask a certain point in your career the learning and refinement. The you do to your skill sets has diminishing returns based on your goals. It's an odd thing to say on a developer podcast because seems so ingrained into our heads that we should always be becoming better at our craft but the truth is if we become slaves leaves to our craft then the whole reason that we were trying to become better at our craft in the first place becomes null and void and if the marginal benefits of investing in becoming better are smaller than benefits. We would get if we spend our time in a different way. Then why should we force ourselves to stay on the constant treadmill of a very narrow and specific way of improving. Perhaps the most important thing you can do to improve today his spend your time and a totally different the way because our time is limited we can never improve in every area to a maximum expertise ace because our time is limited. We invest a scarce resource. And perhaps your improvement isn't just about investing that resource into programming. If one of your ultimate goals in life is to end up satisfied happy be enjoying the time that you're spending on a day to day basis the perhaps one of the ways the you can invest that time instead instead of always trying to be better programmer is to stop for a moment to actually take that time then you have and enjoy it. Spend it with friends or doing something that you already love doing. If you're like many programmers this means means that you might spend your time programming but not because you want to learn a new technique that you can use at work but instead because because you do enjoy it that's why a lot of US got into this line of work in the first place not because it was a path to becoming a billionaire but instead it was a path to make things that we enjoyed making. Take time to understand why you want to improve. Y You went to invest your time into becoming a better programmer. You might find that the most important thing you can do to improve is to set down your computer a little more often. Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of developer t inquiry into oxy labs for sponsoring today's episode head over to oxy LABS DOT CO Slash Developer T. To get started. This episode was produced by Sarah Jackson. My name is Jonathan Cottrell until the next time. Enjoy your tea.
255 GE Mosquito Release in Florida
"Turn. Welcome, talking biotech podcast, the weekly podcast about agriculture and medicine with an emphasis on biotechnology and the good things we can do for people and the planet. My Name's Kevin. FULDA. I'm a scientist podcast host professor and I'm very interested in making sure you understand the current issues in science. Now. One of the current issues is mosquito borne illness and some of the strategies that are being used to mitigate it mosquitoes kill more people on this planet than any other organism. People worry about shark attacks but mosquitoes kill millions and there's been new and exciting strategies to mitigate mosquito populations and help keep them under control. We've covered them previously on the PODCAST and one of those companies in the spotlight is oxy tech and we've done beautiful work in the past. And continue to work with designing mosquitoes that limit the size of mosquito populations meaning you introduce the first ones and they take down the populations of the rest. So today we're speaking with meredith fence him. She's the head of global. Public Affairs for Oxy Tek. Welcome to the podcast murder. Inky for the invitation. Yet. It's really timely. Isn't it? I had a number of people request you and they really wanted to hear more about what was happening at the keys. So I really wanted to provide a good solid piece of information that folks in the keys listen to to better understand how this works and and what the role of these mosquitoes really is. So from your perspective, what is currently the problem in Florida and what role do mosquitoes have in transmissible disease? Problem in Florida is one of geography. Florida is the tip of the spear for mosquito borne illnesses coming into the United States. And the role that mosquitoes have an transmissible disease is a big one. Mosquitoes are the world's deadliest animal by far and just to use an example, the eighties, Egypt diamonds Kito, which is the one that we've worked with the most today. It spreads Dean, a yellow fever, Zeka Chikungunya, and a host of other opponents. In Florida we certainly have had Zeka. I, understand we've had some chicken Guna and now I think we're seeing Deng. That's right. There is an outbreak of Ding gay in and around key Largo. Okay. So that's kind of the entry way to the keys. So people don't know the keys you go off the end of the tip of Florida and then keepdriving for three hours and its. Islands that are lease together by bridges. And we actually ran that from Miami to Key West was two hundred miles. It's a really beautiful place, really interesting place but a very narrow strip of a space that if you had a mosquito borne illness, you could conceivably understand how it could spread very quickly from point A. to Point B.. So I guess that's my. Big Concern. What is the current method that they're using to controlled mosquitoes in the keys? Various methods are being used right now to control mosquitoes in the keys, but the challenge is the traditional tools are failing D-. most mosquitoes and other insects have developed resistance to the insecticides that are are used. So the chemicals being sprayed but the the mosquitos. Many of them are surviving. What about the ecology of the keys I mean? This is kind of a fragile ecosystem does it make sense to be spraying? If you have alternative methods it it is a unique environment and. I think part of the the interest in the Florida keys approaching oxy tack ten years ago was was to protect that fragile ecosystem while at the same time on providing effective control of these disease spreading mosquitoes. I really wanted to give people the listener appreciation of what the keys are because there are unique deer. There are unique birds there's insects that are really unique to the keys or at least subspecies or very instead are keys. Only you know that are key specific the more you can limit insecticide, use the better, and even though these things can be used safely within limits to control mosquitoes. Why would we have it at all? If we had a good alternative and that's really high wanted to frame this today. Could you give us a little bit of a hint. On. What those other alternatives might be maybe just a touch on sterile insect technique what is that? Oh. To use the example of of our technology, we are using the mosquitoes against themselves. We release our male mosquitoes male mosquitoes do not bite. You've never been bitten by a male mosquito. And our male mosquitoes, non-binding meal mosquitoes carry a self-limiting teen and when they mate with the wild females, no female offspring survive. So, we achieve a reduction in the mosquito population that way without harming beneficial insects like ease other flies. Really is an extension of a really old technique. I mean they've been doing this for probably fifty years right? Like sterile insect technique. Trade it's been. It's been used in other insects as well. I mean, know I know that some of the radiation methods have not been successful with with mosquitoes it's been tried in the SEATAC approaches is is different. It's it's more precise. Yeah so just to give the listener, a little perspective, sterile insect technique with radiation was when you would just subject lots of mosquito larvae to damaging radiation where it would mess up their DNA enough where the next generation was infertile yet the males would go occupy females and females would occupy males and you would essentially dilute out all of the reproductively capable mosquitoes with these sterile. Radiation damaged insects and it worked and oxygen tech methods a little different that they have a a male that has a gene that in the laboratory you can turn off. So lethal gene, you turn it off in the laboratory as larvae, and then when they hatch and go out as adult males, they're fine but yet they passed that jeannot and so the next generation is. Not happening right limits in that way that's right and the second generation of this technology is even better because it's only the female offspring that do not survive. Then it's a really nice technology because it it doesn't drive the population to zero. It just drives it low. So it doesn't ultimately change things completely, it just stops in imminent threat during a disease outbreak. And could could you tell me a little bit about how this has performed in its general trials all around the world We've done releases of the SEATAC. Mosquitoes throughout the world and we've been releasing are mosquitoes in Brazil for about a decade in Brazil we've six. We've continuously achieved suppression wobbles of eighty percent or better, and in some of our more recent pilot projects, we had suppression levels of about ninety five percent in just a number of weeks, and it's really amazing how fast it works and how well it works. But what about the natural ecosystems around? I mean there's a lot of bats and you know purple Martins and all these other birds that like mosquitoes as a part of their diet. So how much does knocking down a population in a big way affect those natural resources? A mosquito like the Egypt die in Florida is an invasive species. So if you remove it from the environment, you are returning the environment to its natural state and nurse shouldn't be animals that at depend on it on the recent approval that we received from the Florida keys mosquito control district or two commissioners comes after the US environmental protection agency US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and seven state of Florida government agencies. EXP- approved our permit and this followed exhaustive regulatory assessments that included. More than seventy scientific and technical documents. Over four thousand pages of material and more than twenty commission scientific studies, and they found that oxy tax technology poses no risk to humans, animals or the environment including endangered species. While that's really important and I don't think that the public understands that when they read the articles on the Internet, I'm really glad we clarified data and we'll come back on the other side of the break and talk about. What currently is happening in Florida and how they'll be released we're talking with Meredith Vansem. She's the head of Global Public Affairs for Oxy Tech and we'll be back with the talking biotech todd cast in just a moment. I everybody. This is Kevin Fulda and have something that I need you to do. We have an opportunity to solve a major ecological problems. The American chestnut used to dominate forest eastern US comprising something like twenty five percent of all standing timber. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, parasitic fungus entered the country and eventually all but destroyed this iconic tree species. There is a solution using genetic engineering. Dr. Bill. Powell. His land developed an American chestnut tree that expresses a gene that helps to combat the fungus. You might have heard about this back in talking biotech number ten. His goal is to start to restore the natural ecology of the APPALACHIANS. And he submitted a petition non regulated status for the genetically engineered trees. Now. What that means is the trees can be planted outside without a lot of onerous regulation allowing this perfectly natural gene to be back in the ecosystem defeating fungus. But we need your help. Right now there's a public comment period that regulators take very seriously. So please visit Regulations Dot Gov in search with the term chestnut. You'll find the petition. Read the instructions and write a thoughtful response in your feelings about restoring the ecology and the dominance of this keystone for species. Dr Paul's Group has done the hard work. And we know the tree is resistant and we know it's safe. Now, we need your help to ensure its deployment in another success of biotechnology. And now we're back on the talking biotech podcast. We're speaking with Meredith, fence him from Oxy Tech, and we're talking about the impending release of mosquitoes in Florida, genetically engineered mosquitoes that are made to be self limiting meaning that once they made they don't produce viable offspring and we're talking about some of the pros and cons, risks and benefits, and what exactly is going to happen in Florida very soon. So You know the thing I keep reading as the staggering numbers and people keep These on my feed and in on twitter like full to hey, they're gonna let go you. Jillian mosquitoes. The number was something like seven, hundred, fifty million, which seems like a lot of -squitoes. But could you give me a little perspective on what the scope of this release realistically entails? Sure. The EPA has given a maximum release number, which is what the seven hundred and fifty million mosquitoes refers to. In reality, the number released will be far lower and will be based on the number of wild eighties. Chip die mosquitoes. Found in the release areas. Cool. So he kind of calibrated to the past itself. Exactly. Yeah. So so this is the the feeling you get from the press from the opponents of this technology is that this is just a big wrecking ball that you're just going to release everything it's going to go everywhere. But if you go into an area and Knesset population, then you know exactly how many you need to release to control it is do I have that right? That's right. In reality our technology is very precise. Okay. So you recently received approval from the Florida keys McKee Mosquito Control district. It seems like that's been in the works for a long time. Can you tell me a little bit about how long it took to get that approval? Sure the interesting thing is acsi tack was originally invited to the Florida keys by the Florida keys mosquito control district about a decade ago and the Swiss following a dean gay outbreak mostly centered around Key West that was difficult to control. I believe all of the members of the Florida Keys Mosquito Control District Board have have changed since then, but we came to the Florida keys on their invitation, and after about a decade once we had all of our regulatory approvals in place their their board approved our project. And what were some of the other regulatory hurdles she talked about the EPA and other organizations you had to get regulatory approval from Who are they? oxy Tech solutions are very innovative and sometimes regulatory agencies. Don't know how they should treat technologies that they have not seen before. Our Technology was originally submitted to the US. Department of Agriculture and after a year or two, they issued either finding letter of no jurisdiction. Were then with the FDA. The US Food and Drug Administration being regulated as an animal drug I. believe that was for about six or seven years including during heart of Zeke outbreak in the united. States. And the FDA then transferred our jurisdiction to the US Environmental Protection Agency? So the EPA. and. We received approval from the US EPA this May. And after that, we received authorization from F- Tax in Florida the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, and that authorization included approvals from step seven state of Florida agencies including Department of Health. Department, of environmental. Protection and others. And I think that's really how it should go when you look at this carefully scientifically, it really is a no brainer. It really is something that seems so simple. But you know we have this issue of people live in the keys, and if it's like any other topic in this country, you probably have forty eight percent that love it and forty eight percent who hate it in four percent that just don't know and probably a lot higher on that don't know number. But what has been the local response to the oxy technology? In Two thousand and sixteen, there was a referendum in the Florida keys about our project and in that referendum thirty, one out of thirty three Monroe County precincts supported the the project. So so there's a lot of support for the project in the Florida. Keys. Really you now that that really seems surprising to me based on how I know people are. So by having. Very. Positive Response in the Florida keys does it mean that you had a good communications front to kind of fill them in this is what this isn't. We like to we like to think. So that is certainly been our intent and oxy tack is US owned by is still UK based oxy tack is is a spin out from Oxford University. In. Believe it or not architects spun out of Oxford almost twenty years ago. But. Yes. Despite having most of oxy tax team members in the United Kingdom in the early days, there was a fairly constant presence of of members of the Tech Team in the Florida keys throughout the last decade and I spent a lot of time there in person until covid head. And now we've had to adjust our strategy and one of the things that that we did leading up to the recent vote of the Florida keys mosquito control district or two commissioners was host a five series public educational Webinar with with the Florida keys mosquito control a strike to end every week we were online presenting information and giving residents an opportunity to to ask questions and have their questions answered. And we've made all of those recordings available on our website Youtube Channel, and we've published on fact sheets after the events that include summary of what was disguised, and all the questions asked are answers provided and links to external resources on super doing things like that were very active on social media we go on the radio in the keys we we use the print media in the keys. Sometimes, we are interviewed for articles. Sometimes we we we place advertisements to let the public know about different webinars and other informational opportunities that were offering. Because that's what the big companies didn't do back in the nineteen ninety s when they were releasing genetically engineered corn and cotton. We've learned something maybe over the years but the enemies of this technology or I should say the critics I guess they really are enemies of technology because it's like the center of food safety. These aren't food. No one's GonNa eat the mosquitoes yet. A group of folks and it's nine in a we we know them by name they are the ones who are most vocal about the release and most critical of the release, and they're using the same arguments that they used against crops twenty years ago that never panned out. and. How do you combat that kind of rhetoric? To. Be. The cornerstone of so many social media campaigns. Groups that are saying those things are are not basing their assertions on on science. oxy Tack has carried out a decade of mosquito releases without a single adverse effect and this has been documented by regulators and independent scientists worldwide. Yeah I know that and I'm with you. But it just seems like the way that you gotTa beat these people as by saying you know you're in the solve a problem of human disease transmission. In and you got a tool that does it end. You know all the details in the world are never going to shift their their mind but the fact that you're in this for the right reason in on and this is why this kind of thing drives me crazy they're over here screaming, Jurassic? Park. Where really what you're doing what you're doing is providing a means to limit the vector of human. Disease. And eliminate insecticide or severely decrease insecticide use. This has all the positive trappings upon it and it. It's all there in my brain. Anyway one of the other criticisms is been and I read this on an article today is that The said article seriously said scientists in I'm putting air quotes on that have raised major concerns about hybrids between oxy tech, mosquito, native species making some ultra resistance super mosquito. This is stuff from the gamut of movies. How is that not likely to happen? So some of the background genes of the OXYDE had meal mosquito are expected to persist in the wild population for very short period of time after the end of the releases but according to the federal and state regulators an independent scientists at the CD seeing these background jeans, Ramada expected to make the wild mosquito population any different in terms of fitness or ability to transmit diseases. And in addition are expected to to make the wild population more susceptible to insecticides. So that's a good thing There was a paper claiming that transfer of these type of background genes could make the wild mosquito population more more dangerous. It has been widely discredited and the editors of the Journal which published the paper have. An editorial expression of concern indicating that the paper's authors meter a range of inflammatory speculations and unfounded statements which were not based on scientific facts. No very good at that refers to a paper that came out in scientific reports maybe about a year ago, and we actually covered on this podcast because they were claiming in the paper that there was evidence of gene flow but you would expect that that means that they're meeting with natural populations in suppressing the populations. So I'm not sure that this was a big red flag especially because as you mentioned after a few generations, those genes were gone. So, if people wanted the follow this more on social media or you know anywhere else, where would they look? Our Florida keys project. Specifically we've set up Florida page on our website and that's oxy tack. Dot Com forward slash Florida and for General Oxy, tack information you can see the oxy tat website We also have channels on twitter facebook Lincoln Youtube. And our result counterparts mirror the sites in Portuguese. Very. Good and I should mention oxy tax spelled with a C. No H. 'cause I always put its nature on there and. Takes. Me a takes me to some other website that I don't WanNa talk about, but the Lxi T. E. C. is the right way to do that. And that was an acronym. It still has for Oxford insect technology. That's how it started. It also should be mentioned that you know you guys are not a one trick pony it's not just the mosquitoes you've also been making progress towards are actually have released the diamondback moth and the self limiting fall armyworm right are those projects moving along? We have released most. self-limiting Pink Bollworm and diamondback loss and the United States, and we've released other self-limiting and sacks for agricultural pass in in other countries including the medfly. Really. Great. Yes. So if you if you. If I, get a package of self limiting all armyworm larvae in the mail I wouldn't be wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. We've got really bad right now it's another one that we've covered on the podcast and. A certainly a threat to the African continent especially. Some of the poorest areas in the world could be hit or are being especially hard by Paul armyworm is devastating. Look forward to your developments there as. Well. Thank you very much for joining me on the podcast today I really appreciate learning more about the -squitoes release in Florida hopefully we provided some answers and resources for people that Richard Thank you very much. And as always, thank you for listening to the talkng biotech podcasts. Great reviews on itunes all that stuff. Show us a little over on the Patriots. We really appreciate sport does it helps us do more with getting more listenership which really is working. So. Thank you very much for listening. Thank you for listening to the talk in biotech podcast and we'll talk again next week. Talking I, over awed cow reflects the personal view of. The dowse Are Not the views of the University of Florida Faculty Staff Or. Students. 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The Value Profit Chain | The OXI Fresh Update: Operational Excellence 101
"Satisfied coil trusting and committed customers are the primary driver of growth and profitability important determinants of investor value shows. Don't need us a Libertine to introduce this show this show two-man eight kids co created by two different women thirteen multi million dollar businesses ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to thrive time. Shaw Yes yes yes. And yes and thrive nation. Welcome back to other exciting edition of Thrive time show on your radio and podcast download for those of you listening for the first time. I am completely right now. Hopped up on a dayquil due to having a the allergies met with allergies. Get you in Colorado. I I hear Colorado is a great place to go. If you have allergies I hear. It's an allergy free place. I is that true or are you completely devastated by the allergies when the weather changes such as I yeah. I don't think that's true we have. We have fields and reason cotton trees. Those are my thank. God are my My Nemesis so we have a big you as you may have different ones out there. Where in Colorado is oxy fresh located off your freshman Lakewood Colorado about ten minutes west of downtown Denver in the foothills very close to evergreen which is started getting into the mountains. If listeners out there was a letter and oxy president to send you a nice heartfelt letter. What's The corporate address can we? Can we talk about that sure? Our address is one four three union boulevard in Lakewood Colorado. They can send me as much as they want. You gotTa Google. Search that stuff about the franchise. That'd be easier now. It's better Burnett prefers mail correspondence and when I say male. I mean both kinds of mail. He prefers males to call him and he prefers to receive mail. So you WANNA about why. You like mail so much well. I thought that only Male Prison Ozzy precious diverse folks. They have both men and women working at oxy freshman this just in not just all males now man. Let's let's let's really get into the into the heart of the issue on today's show. We're talking today from a book. We're reading today from a book. Called the value profit chain written by James L. Heskitt W Earl Sasser Junior. Whoa and Leonard A slesinger. Now I read this book because a very rich man a man who had a company worth over a billion dollars called quick trip said read this book and I thought I gotta read this book but then when I started reading it Matt it turns out. It's boring and then I realized almost everything that I hate is what I need to do. You know what I mean. So it's like ice cream sex drugs people say. Well it's fun yeah. You don't see a lot of people that find themselves to addicted to working out. You don't see a ton of people there are some but you'll see people who are like. I'm struggling with addiction to being disciplined and just being on time and being honest I struggled with an addiction to purity people struggle with addictions too so I think at oxy fresh one of the things that John Brennan done well one of the things that you've helped him to do and the team has done. Is You guys have become kind of addicted to quality? And when I first heard about this book the value profit TRAE VALUE PROFIT CHAIN TO HARVARD CASE STUDY. The subtitle is treat. Employees like customers and customers like employees. I'm GonNa read from page number well if you're in the Roman numerals at home either the X. V. I just look that up there folks xp while he's getting deep here we go satisfied. Loyal trusting and committed customers are the primary driver of company growth and profitability important determinants of investor value. Let me read it again. Satisfied loyal trusting and committed customers are the primary driver of company growth and profitability important determinants of investor value. It turns out if you're terrible. It costs a lot of money to be terrible Matt. Let's dive into it. Oxy FRESH WATER. Some things that you do to create that culture where you guys are now addicted to excellence. Are you perfect? No but what are some of the things? Let's start with the marketing. What are some of the things you do at oxy fresh? That helped make sure. The brand is performing at an excellent level. Yeah and there's a lot of different things you specifically to marketing We did. We took a very technology driven. Dance through marketing. And we really. Kinda re drilled down and said what are things that are super difficult for the average person regardless if they want to or not in terms of understanding When it comes to technology around marketing and you know everyone says you know you can go on and build a Google page for. Anyone can do that. But it's how you build a Google page right and you can go in and build a website With wordpress anybody can do that. But it's how you build that website and the key words in there and how you drive traffic to those websites near Google Pages. So specifically to marketing. There's one part about that that's relationships. And having you know positive relationship with your vendors that allow your franchisees to take advantage of better pricing and more integrated programs that go into our scheduling center and our scheduling software suite. Track it. That's a big one but also in terms of technology like I mentioned we reduce the amount of tech. What I call you know tech savviness if you will or your ability to actually try to dive into Google or facebook or yells were building these pages to Spec for the industry that work in and the specific Service locations that you're going to react. We build them the way they need to be built. So that you can focus as a Franchisee on getting the reviews and doing a good job on the home or business not have to hire a tech team or not have to invest a lot of your time and understanding that the very very interesting back end of that that has become a staple of our marketing program where the number one search carpet cleaning company in America over the last ten years Google analytics even though we have a lot less locations than some people that we compete with. Its because we spent time in developing these programs for our franchisees locally a big big part of how we can really control quality in our marketing on a local level for our franchisees. If I had a dollar for every time that I complimented the intricacies of your back end Matt Dollars. I I've just Never Hay barn. It can I get a dollar every time I compliment. Matt Klein's intricacy of his of his detailed intricacy of his back end. And he's like no. You'd have too many dollars profit here okay. Let let that sink in their Scott. I didn't know what else that's fine listeners. At home are going WHOA. There's a lot of male conversations. Were complicated the intricacy of the back end. We say what's the common denominator? It's when you get me hopped up on dayquil. That's where I go. You say it's it's top of mind. It just happens. Josh Wilson Speaking of Intricate intricacies and back ends and Matt preferring to be reached via mail in preferring to work with meals. I'm GonNa ask you hear talk to me about living water irrigation. The the marketing excellence. Because could you do things better picture? Are we getting better? Yeah but let's talk about just today and Christmas Lights and kind of our coaching meeting today because we caught some spelling errors and things. We're working through but talk to the listeners. Out there about the attention to detail that has to go into actually launching a marketing campaign. Absolutely so we've been working on a number one. Google listing number two are re targeting ads. Our facebook ads are landing page for Christmas lights. Then going out and gathering those organic reviews for those things. So that's what we worked on to start with was getting those things in place so that now we can go attack the marketplace to go put up a whole bunch of lights. Do you like logging into outwards and Admiral and facebook and your landing page and changing text. Encoding out websites. Josh will the intricacies of my back in would not would not enjoy doing that on a day to day basis. If I had the choice but ultimately I have learned from y'all in from the doing the day to day monotonous tasks that it works that. If you do these things they are profitable in the end. Now I WANNA talk about this Matt. So you're saying if I buy KNOX'S FRESH RIGHT. Now you guys handle the intricacies of your back end are back in your back in their back. You handle those back for people. Yeah we do. And that's an important part. So you know again we try to alleviate those things that we feel like would be mountains too hard to climb on a daily basis so our team handles a very You know really target our marketing efforts with one part of our marketing team unjust local online presences for all of our franchisees across the country. When I say that I mean our team is literally going to work with you on the local market cities that were in there the competition in those cities where and how to build those pages that you can actually start grabbing market share from all areas of your your territory not just one right so it is a multi tiered approach to being able to dominate a local market online. Ov Our other marketing. Fasten top back at. That's the very basis that's where we start so let's say that I buy oxy fresh and now I have marketing excellence. Now you gotta go clean some carpets. We've got to train some people and on the service profit chain. We're going deep into the book on Page One. Now page one. It reads here most decisions. Is there? This is Harvard case? Study by the way. I'm like Walmart Vanguard. Ups huge companies. How they do it. Well it says most decisions made by managers either destroy long-term value or don't create any so. Let's talk about that for a second. How can I screw it up? Let's say I have a tunnel leads coming in. I have I own and oxy fresh and have a lot of leads coming in Matt. How can I screw it up because like people want to? Apparently according to this book people by Default want to screw it up now this book a deep dive case study into the profitability of Home Depot. Southwest Airlines Fedex. It is book is breaking down the case studies of how they do it. How can I possibly screw up my oxy? Fresh through poor management. Wh what should I not do? Yeah you shouldn't some hire someone given the equipment you know. Let them see the job on your one time. And then send them out on your own and you want to spend time with the resources we have available for. Instance are online university Oxford University. I mean you gotTa do you. GotTa test out. It's a it's A. It's a real course that you need to take as a technician to show your knowledge level of what you're going to be doing and you have to pass it onto ninety percent before we can open your schedule right but that's also going to be sacked on top of at least minimum a full week of a full schedule of doing job with professional technician. That's the kind of the experience and knowledge to be able to train you right and it's not just on the XS knows the cleaning. It's on the customer service. Call ahead walk-throughs right We go by a three wild system. You got three times while at that Ono. Quick let's go. Let's dive into that. I want to dive into that. I cut you off it. Cut Off your for me I I I WANNA I wanNA dive into the to the three rows I want to get into that because the three wells are so powerful breakdown. The three wells. I'm so sorry I cut you off there. We had a little glitch. Yeah three hundred very important. I would say anybody that run the business that doing a service a little bit harder to while someone with a product. 'cause they're just use their product. I mean probably a little service. You have a lot more options to be able to wild that customer and a variety of Wailua go by the three while system and there could be a variety of things. You do here but first and foremost you should. Wow that customer before you get there right if you break down that wall. Because they've never met you before you do something for them before you've ever even been there right whether it's sticking up a copy or something for them picking up a newspaper right when you're walking up to the whole maybe take that kid's bicycle that's on the sidewalk and bring it up right. All you're doing is something that helps that proper. That person without any expectation. Hey what you're trying to do is make the relationship between you and that person when you're there as positive as possible. That's a pretty good star right so that's one the other thing you need to do. You need to go above and beyond in your walk through so I'm talking specifically about oxy fresh. You can kind of tell you this to whatever industry you're in before us we're GONNA DO A Walk Through. We want to not only just say okay over here clean five rooms and that's it great you're gonNA walk. You're gonNA diagnosed that property. You're GONNA figure out where they're what they're looking to get accomplished and you're going to let them know that you can do it. Maybe what you can't do you're gonNA maybe look at their property and diagnosed and wasted. Have you ever thought about the stain right here? In the corner we can get that out. You know so you just want to be able to do something for that customer data and expect you were going to do while you're there right. The cleaning system alone should give them a while or if it. Doesn't you set unrealistic expectations right and then you should find something else on that job that will make that customers property better. I use this example. It's a very good one. So maybe you're going up the stairs and you see a big piece of string of the the paying offering carpet instead of just packing that maybe ask that customer for Paris's cut that off handed decision that people write right. You're owning that customer that you're you're going to go above and beyond the normal call of duty help them with their property and the service provided if you can create a system you're likely going getting positive goes through the group. You likely that have getting a chip goes through the roof. And you're likely to getting them in their friend back goes up exponentially art are you. Are you saying that when we over deliver over time we might just get overpaid? Are you saying the law? Reciprocity are you saying do unto others as we should want you know as we would have them doing to us? Are you trying to talk to me? Are you saying that we shouldn't just mail it in back to the mail theme? You're saying we should actually show up and not just mail it in. We should actually do a great job. What are what are you? What what Matt. What are you saying? I'm saying exactly that I mean these people are hiring. Either Trust you. They probably looked at your reviews online and know that you're in good company already. It'd be a travesty. If you didn't live out those expectation right so you should do that. Go above and beyond and there's two parts of this one is the actual technician that I just mentioned. The other is the owner. You GotTa give that employee. Whoever's doing the job the The confidence in their cleaning system the confidence on their approach to be able to allow them to do those things and step beyond their comfort level and have those open conversations maybe makes your last little bit. Maybe go the relationship with them. So yes it's multi tier but if you can do all those steps you're being very good hands and your customers are want you back now. There's a lot of steps you said there. Do you have checklists when I buy an oxy fresh or checklists or is it a bunch of verbal tribal knowledge? I mean? Is it like a written down like do this do that? Or is it all just verbal tribal knowledge no written down? It needs to be not only trained to the owner. Pass down to the technician check checklists and training processes. I mean for us. It's basically a rinse and repeat type of process. That's one thing that we do. Quality control are cleaning. System doesn't vary so you can get your carpet year or okay so wait a second. I WANNA make Devon is one of our web developers out Devon to ask you any questions about the oxy fresh process for picking a time line from left to right we start with the marketing. Right we start with generating leads marketing. We talked about that into into quote unquote euro quick to tell me if this is the right quotes. I feel like I'm quoting you. High McLean let us handle your back in and don't let a technician handier equipment. Is that right now? Okay Nice Okay. So the marketing you guys handle the marketing and Oxy pray you got Devon going there to see I got. I got de going so the marketing you guys handle that. We don't have to mess around with passwords and log INS and digital clutter. I I don't have to deal with that. But then the leads come in and we're talking about cleaning the carpets. But don't you guys at Oxy? Fresh answered the phone to into the from that. That's what that's what we do. You answer the phone right. Yeah let me let me. Just be clear on the we help you with a lot of marketing. But it's not fully on the Home Office so there's things you're going to be locally there's vendors that we work with friends like Bala Pack and pay per click options online and homeadvisor bump tacking always companies coming in and go we build those relationships but we do go up. You would vote. So that's totally crap. You Make Franchisees do anything. Unfortunately I just WANNA buy. I want to be sixty grand and you give me back six hundred grand. I WANNA play. I WANNA play the franchise game as as I see it. Which is I would like to do. Nothing now Devon. What questions do you have for Matt Klein about either the way the call center runs or the way the marketing is done or their systems. They have because somebody out. There is thinking right. Now about buying franchise whether it be a little caesars or an oxy fresh or a sports clips or whatever and. I know they have questions. And you're a curious man. So what what questions do you have for So-so Fine Matt Klein The man who handles the back in for America. It prefers male. Hey Matt I guess one of the questions I've always been interested with franchising whenever you're getting into a franchise and you're getting started and everything like that What kind of those first steps? Oh the first the on boarding checklists if you're already bought one you're talking about. After I bought a franchise one of the first steps. Yeah what angle. Yeah so Again so specifically for US. We have franchise coaches And we'll just talk about rob rob the head of our Franchise Coaching Department. So the first thing you're going to do is we're gonNA got a whole spreadsheet checklist item. So what he's GonNa he's GonNa walk through the check. Life instance insurance. You WanNa have your insurance for your business going. You want to set up things like credit card processing payroll companies. If you're not doing the job right still mortgage we're gonNA build your infrastructure for your business right so that you can actually start to take Jau Brooklyn. You're you're you're talking about some sexy stuff your on boarding checklist insurance. I mean Slough people love Devonte. Continue Interrogating this is. This is the hot stuff. I'm GonNa let this play out from it here. Oh man the ambiance we have here on this mail theme show. Yeah so so. We're up in going. We get we get all the all the on boarding taking care of you. So good leads. Just start corn. And how does how does the lead start pouring in MAC line go ahead caller waiting? Not just start pouring in the next step you going to do once your actual infrastructure setup. We're going to start building your Google page. It's your facebook pages your yellow pages your local websites tailored to the franchisee their backstory. So somebody could put a face to the ownership of the actual company. And then what you're going to do. We're going to start establishing relationships with the vendors that we have marketing wise because as soon as you actually get your equipment which is about a week and a half and when you pay you can actually start doing jobs with friends and family and really getting the hang of it. Whoever's going to be your technician so part of that checklist is going to be building in. Establishing your marketing program locally and customized to where you're at right and you're GonNa have launched points on that you're going to complete the online university at some point. Within the first week of becoming a franchise whoever is going to have managerial power. Whoever's going to be in the field you need to complete that Online University and then you're going to get a vehicle right. There's gotta be a vehicle somewhere to get you to to To the jobs so you can pick and choose their flexibility a fleet program. So if you choose to go to the Free Program Rob and his team are going to help you. Bridge that gap between that Bender and getting a nice vehicle wraps logo D- If you don't you get a different type vehicle wrap your vehicle and they have the equipment vehicle you have the experience and training to be able to get the job. Marketing plan is created and built right. And then we're going to start seeing customers calling in you're gonNA start looking at your schedule about every fourteen seconds look for nature. How quick real quick and you really start Matt Matt sorry no that. Franchising is regulated by the federal government so on the franchise disclosure document. Everything you're saying has to be vetted and and I WANNA make sure not saying too inaccurate. I watch you I wa. You said you can start to watch the calls. Come in to you as a Franchisee. Do they just sit there and like watch? The phone's ringing. The would tell me. What do we have to do? He Say Watch. What are they misleading? Because some people are thinking I have to go to the calls. Were GonNa Watch the phone ring? I mean educators us. There's a lot of confusion there. A lot of people get very upset right now. Sorry to confuse but also customer start finding you whether it's on Google Earth through a mailer or whether you're going out and getting jobs through business development right you're going to have a number to call goes to our scheduling center. Once they actually answer those phone calls. Accurate quotes explained the cleaning system and find a time that works for that customer. They book that job. It goes automatically Right into the schedule for the time. And that's when you as an owner gets the start reaping the benefits seeing the jobs coming at you start using the tools to see where those customers were coming from right and then you have your employees or yourself. Whoever's doing the job out there doing the job closing out the work orders getting paid right so it's just natural when you first get a business. You look at your schedule. Speaking of natural. He's still doing the Hola. No shampoo thing about doing really. You're you're you're back on. The Shampoo train. No Shampoo chain seriously. No Shampoo ever number. Do you use a bodies. Do you use like a body. Wash a scrub toothpaste. What are you using wash by Washington? Please explain this to listeners. Powerful this powerful power. These words power these words. It oxy fresh. If I write on my hands with a sharpie the market I read on my hands. I'M A DOOFUS on my hands. Sharpie I can put my hands in a non wet cleaning solution that you guys have created. It's dry it almost feels like Like I don't know I feel like maybe sawdust or something and I put my head and I rotate it. And the marker comes off. Is this true that is true? We have thought degree will take out oil oils and greases and things like that made it before that your hands while Greece night you can mark as much as you want with the markers. Put that on there. Rub It. It'll come back. Do you wash your hair with us. He got me. That's it that's what you're doing. Now who use our product? Mike Client and I just I just prefer to wash my hair with the Terai it's odor free. It's dry ten times less water than Stanley. Steamer and I washed my hair. I love oxy's I own a franchise but I sell the franchises and I use my carpet cleaning service to clean. Clean my mom my man I mean. You're all in buddy you're all in. I'm all in Okay. So now using the formula because here we go. So you're talking about right now. We Marketing Turnkey you handle at the call center. You guys handle it then are you. There are things we have to do with the marketing. We have to get Google reviews. We have to spend some money on advertising as a Franchisee. But you guys handle all the technical crap then the phones ring. You answer the phone. Then I clean. You provide the systems now. It's getting hot stuff. Josh People WanNa talk people were saying to me Klay. Let's talk about Accounting Oud sexy. People are wanting to talk about accounting. I get usually an email a year from somebody saying. Can we talk about accounting? That's not crashing. The server accounting's not a one email mad? It's crazy we should get one email a year. Someone says can we talk about accounting? Now it turns out that if you're if you have a business you're keeping score. The the money is the score. The scoreboard is the truth and the scoreboard is the money in the bank. Every playing a game then the money in the bank is the score Matt. Let's talk about accounting. Because I think people are a little bit adverse to a little bit people WanNa talk about accounting but what kind of accounting do I have to was an oxy fresh? Let's talk about accounting. Let's really go off the deep and let's get into insurance and accounting when legal. Legal Insurance Accounting. I'm starting to kill all the listeners simultaneously but what legal requirements accounting requirements. Talk to me about. What do I have to do as an oxygen fresh owner? Yeah so when you first start obviously going to have a business entity depending on how you purchase that franchise can dictate how you need to build that whether it's a LLC or an escort where C core and we can explain all that some people will get legal counsel on the FDD just because it's a large legal document. Typically if you do that you wanna franchise attorney read it. 'cause language a little bit different But all that stuff now your franchise you've done all that and your business entity In terms of just ongoing We don't have a whole bunch of moving parts. But you're going to want to have an accountant Either on south always just doing Quarterly checks with you Or just that you're having account if your books in order on allred in our crm platforms are customer relationship management software. Or you actually add your schedule of your customers and your sales numbers. Yup Back not all the time to give to your actual account. It's really Nice thing about technology now With quickbooks for instance. It's all online everything. Kinda plays itself one again. Is You have your chart of accounts in order right. There's not a whole bunch of moving parts as soon as you're categorized you know whether it's you know marketing it automatically gets categorized in the marketing department whether in sales so all that happens Legal in terms of lawyers. There's not a whole bunch but keep lers on retainer lawyer. I WANNA spend a ton of money on legal fees and logos and LLC. What kind of legal fees can I pay? We'll giving. What can I expect to pay because I know the listeners out? There want to spend a lot of their money on legal fees. Most people want to spend absolutely nothing legal. The only thing I typically see again unless you're in a corporation where you have multiple companies working for you With often freshmen. Typically typically. The only thing I see for a legal fee was in the beginning for someone to review that. Fda and make you feel comfortable with the language and answering questions that you may have with the FDA the franchise disclosure document Yup. I rarely see any type of legal fees on an ongoing basis from any of our companies Again it's not physically required unless you have something going on that that suggests you need legal counsel The accounting most people have some sort of accounting budget. Whether it's having account checking your books consistently or having an account do you're counting on services at the end of the year. Now we have enough time on a whole bunch of here. We have enough time for one more question and listeners out there go to thrive time show dot com forward slash oxy fresh. That's thrive time show dot com slash. Oxy fresh you can learn everything you need to know about getting in contact with oxy fresh or you can make it difficult to track and go to oxy fresh dot com directly either way oxy fresh dot com or thrive time show dot com slash. Oxy fresh in the team will answer your questions in. They'll see if it's a good fit for you. It's a great opportunity for you for sixty grand or less about sixty thousand dollars. You could buy a business vehicle. That has the opportunity to create time freedom financial freedom for your family or you could go out and buy a big vehicle like a big like a suburban or something but man. I've got this audio clip of you. Coaching one of your. Who TYPICALLY COACHES. The franchises right. Now is it rob. Yeah Robin's coaches will do the coaching program. This is wrong also specific people from each department. That will help you with kind of embarrassing here. Josh but this is rob on a coaching. Call with one of the new franchisees. Make sure he hears this. Okay this is rob and I apologize. I mean again in a Lotta Times debit. I mean there's a lot of you and I mean we're we work usually thirty feet apart right so there's a lot of miscommunication that can happen. So Devon Devon load up the sound clips for the show and then he has headphones on and sometimes I find that he didn't even hear me. Sometimes I find I clicked the wrong button. And you know there's a lot of mistakes that can happen but this is what I believe to be. Rob's last coaching call with a Franchisee is. What'd you explain? What is happening here? I think listeners WanNa know what does it look like? When I'm getting coached isn't new Franchisee. So let's keep the audio here. This is rob but yeah that's good. That's good very nice posture. Yes encouragement so I wouldn't transfer you my energy. I wouldn't transfer ADEMA. Here is my God on you Jackson. You have a great oughta encourage man. Yes this is a great way to stretch. You see you can do this with your partner for. Its right this energy out. Yes this fire has just started and we will not put it out. What is what is he doing. I don't really know that Matt. What what was the most rob talking about there? I think that was more of a motivational call. My maybe an operational call good on Tuesday so okay We'll get into it with you. I don't want to listeners to think that you're coaching calls with oxy Fresher Weird so I'm glad we cleared that up because somebody could think. Wow that coaching could get weird. So now that we've we've cued up that audio and play that I feel good that we can leave it there so matt thank you so much for putting up with me. I'm going to take some more sips of dayquil and I will talk to you next week awesome. I appreciate everyone's time and hope everyone has good day. Thank you take care bye and now without further ado three what.
The Artifact: Wiping With Homer
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Because it's made with plant based cleansers moisturizers to keep your skin healthy and hydrated. This sulfate free cleanser is made with ninety. Three percents naturally derived ingredients. Relax your body and mind shower with new'dove men by a now at walmart or target. Welcome to stuff to blow your mind. A production of heart radio. Hi my name. Is joe mccormack. And this is the artifact a short form series from stuff to blow your mind focusing on particular objects ideas and moments in time you can learn a lot from looking at trash. There's a city in egypt on the western side of the nile valley. Today it's called albano also but during the roman period it was known as oxy rimkus. Lots of people might not recognize the name. Oxy rimkus is without a doubt one of the most important sources of original handwritten and manuscript in the entire world and nearly all of these manuscripts trace back to crusty pits where for hundreds of years in layer upon layer people through their trash usually unless they're carved into stone written documents are relatively quick to decay but the dry conditions at oxy wrinkles kept these trash pits largely protected from natural degradation and safely guarded thousands of archaeologically precious papyrus documents across the ages beginning in the eighteen nineties. A pair of british scholars named bernard grenfell and arthur hunt led an effort to excavate the ancient garbage dumps of oxy rimkus in discovered a bonanza of written documents from roughly the third century to the seventh including everything from the plays of mander and poetry of sappho. Two passages from a non canonical early christian. Work that would later be identified as the gospel of thomas. It's been estimated that about ten percent of the documents are literary meaning things like plays and poetry with much of the rest being the paper record of daily life letters. Contracts census rolls receipts lists of offerings for ritual sacrifice. The garbage library of oxy wrinkles offers a diverse and fascinating view into life in egypt through the roman period. After and today. i wanted to talk about a couple of the potpourri unearth. There that caught my attention. One sworded document discovered at oxy rinks dates to the year to sixty seven. C e and it has been described as one of the world's earliest proofs of bribery in an athletic competition known as papyrus. Oxy rink is fifty two. Oh nine it's a contract between the ambitious father of a young wrestler named nick continous and the trainers of another young wrestler named dimitrius stipulating. That dimitrius must lose an upcoming wrestling match to nick. Antennas on purpose if dimitrius fulfilled his promise to quote fall times and yield net cantanessa. Father would pay him three thousand eight hundred drachmas according to several authors. This was roughly the price of donkey at the time. But there's a heavy penalty for backing out. According to a short piece in archaeology magazine by jason her bana since two thousand fourteen. The agreement also threatens that if dimitrius were to betray the agreement and win the match. His party would oh. Eighteen thousand drachmas which by the earlier metric is about four point seven donkeys so a strong disincentive. Why would so much wealth beyond the line to fix a wrestling match between two teenagers. Speaking to own jairus for a two thousand fourteen article in life science the translator of the papyrus dominic rathbone of king's college london explains the context in the ancient world. The winners of athletic competitions would often be given cash reward or would be honored with a lifetime pension from their hometown but the competitions were also winner. Take all there is no such reward for being. A runner-up add that to the fact that entering an athletic competition was usually expensive in itself. Since you had to pay your trainers for their services as well as for combinations food and travel you could easily end up in debt so if you had doubts about your ability to win an upcoming competition it made financial sense to take the bribe in practice k. Fehb rick writers from the period do speak about bribery and corruption in athletic games. But this papyrus is the first to provide direct proof rathbone also points out a quixotic aspect of the contract. The fact that it exists at all if one side didn't honor the deal who would enforce the contract. It's an agreement to cheat so it's hard to imagine the contract being used in court force one side or the other to honor their word. Another interesting manuscript from oxy rica's caught my attention. Not because of what was written on it but because of how it ended up in the trash according to princeton professor anna marie lion dyke in two thousand ten articles sacred scriptures as trash biblical papyrus from oxy rimkus. It's often hard to figure out how or why a written texts from the ancient world ended up in a garbage dump especially in the case of religious literature which you would assume was believed to be holy. In some cases books were discarded because of natural wear and tear possibly after the texts they contained had been freshly re copied onto new media other times generational changes in language. Education level could make existing books relatively useless hard to get much out of a book. If you can't read it. But in some very rare instances we can actually detect the final use of a manuscript. This brings us to the oxy rimkus. Papyrus number forty six thirty three in terms of contents. It's a manuscript of an ancient commentary on the poetry of homer which was immensely popular and widely studied throughout the ancient mediterranean lane. Dike explains that when these ancient papyrus from trump's the usually take the form of crumpled up dry lumps before you can transcribe and translate the writing on them. You have to flatten them out to do. This scholars apply moisture to the dry out fibers of the papyrus. And then pull and rub them until they assume the correct shape. Some experts do this with their fingers to quote from lyon dyke regarding papyrus forty six thirty three quote whether it was the vapors let loose when this homer piece was dampened or more substantial organic remains stuck to it. The conservation of that papyrus must have been a surprisingly unpleasant task for its editor. J spooner notes that this text was last used as toilet paper or what. I would call toilet. Papyrus blind date notes that in most cases the exact circumstances that led to the trashing of a document or not quite so obvious but it's a clear reminder that even in an age when literature had to be laboriously reproduced by hand. One copy at a time. Readers are always going to be facing their own priorities tune into new editions of the artifact every wednesday hosted by either robert or myself as always. You can email us at contact at stuff to blow your mind dot com stuff till your mind. Production of iheartradio from podcasts. My heart radio is iheartradio. App apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows nature makes the things we love. that's why walmart and the walmart foundation are committed to help protect manage or restore at least fifty million acres of land and one million square miles of ocean by two thousand thirty. Are you interested in life. 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Mata Hari Executed / Gregorian Calendar introduced - October 15
"Today's episode is brought to you by oxy clean. So I went on a backpacking trip that other weekend as per usual I ended up with a bunch of smelly close at the end of it but I used oxy clean odor blasters on the load of laundry before I did it it was super easy and I came out with some super fresh smelling clothes. You've got to try oxy clean odor blasters for yourself to work your magic with oxy clean go to oxy dot com slash try me an order of free sample that's oxy clean dot com slash t. r. y. m. e. for a free odor blaster sample while supplies last. At target each item you put in your cart brings more good to life like a coffee brand opens more is to black business natural laundry detergent that puts a lighter load on the planet wheelchair friendly Halloween costumes that said, make the lead in motion and make a celebrates beauty and every shade. Here. The good you want is always within reach because at target we believe in good we can all afford. Hey. y'All were rerunning two episodes today, which means that you'll hear to hosts me and Tracy v Wilson enjoy the show. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot com, and from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Tracy. Wilson and effect Tober Fifteenth. Mata. Hari was executed on this day in nineteen seventeen. She was not named Hari from birth. She was born Margarita Gertrude Zilla on August seventh eighteen, seventy six. She was born into a very wealthy family but when she was still pretty young, her father went bankrupt and then her mother died she and her siblings were split up and they were sent to live with other relatives. got a little older. She answered an ad for a man seeking a bride, the person who was advertising was Rudolf McLeod, and she married him on July Eleventh. Eighteen ninety-five. Their marriage though was not happy and was sometimes abusive and it lasted for nine years. During that time they had two children together. One of whom died very young. There are rumors that a member of the household staff poisoned the children, but it's not clear whether that is true after leaving her husband.
Pushing opioids over lunch
"Support for the electric toothbrush comes from today. Explain no in another way. Support for today explained. Today comes from the clip electric toothbrush over a million people have purchased it. Some at get quip dot com slash explained where the quipped starts at just twenty five dollars. And your first set of refills is free G E T Q IP dot com slash explained. Several years ago. I had this surgery. They cut open my face. It was pretty intense when it was over the hospital sent me home with the prescription for Oxy Kotome for the pain. It was way more intense. I took one of the pills. I got dizzy I got anxious. I started slurring my words. It was way. Worse. An experienced the surgery. I stopped taking the Oxy and realized I didn't even need the drugs. I wasn't even in pain. But then I started wondering why I was given such potent painkillers in the first place. My best guess was pharmaceutical companies are really powerful. And now there's a study that suggests my guess wasn't all that bad study found recently that there seems to be a direct correlation between marketing for opioids. So like, these drug companies, send representatives to these doctors directly marketed, I'm telling them, hey, prescribe, drug, it's going to be safe fact of excetera, and there's a correlation between that kind of marketing and prescribing rates and opiate overdoses a year later, her Lopez writes about legal and illegal drugs for vox. He says this new study isn't the first to suggest the doctors are influenced by marketing from pharmaceutical companies one. Study that came out last year looked at sending these doctors to conferences giving them paid travel speaking fees that kind of thing, but one of the points in this paper is that some of the most effective marketing might be more subtle things. Like just buying a meal, and that alone will influence whether doctors prescribe the drugs marketing, these jagged little pill starts to really ramp up in the mid nineties. In the mid nineties Oxycontin came out, and that led Purdue pharma, which created it to really start ramping up advertising marketing campaign for it does no question that I best strongest pain medicines all the opioids. They don't wear out. They go on working. They do not have serious medical side effects. And so these drugs, which I repeat our best strongest pain medications should be used much more than half of patients in pain. It said that the drug was safe and effective that doctors could prescribe it, and they would see these dramatic benefits for people suffering from both acute pain and chronic pain. And at the same time other pharmaceutical companies jumped in started advertising their opioids started saying, hey, joining with Purdue like these are safe and effective. We have these new types of drugs ready to go out to patients, and this is really where we saw the opioid crisis. Start. It started with with these doctors because not only did these drugs go out to patients, but because patients had so many of these pills. They would sell them. They would keep him in a medicine cabinet where they're teenagers. Could then go on and steal them. They would give them to friends or family and since a lot of the advertising a lot of the marketing at the time was like, hey, these drugs really aren't that dangerous? A lot of people were genuinely duped by the thought that for whatever reason these opiates on the market at the time were safer and more effective. These are the same drugs that have a reputation for causing. Fiction and all the terrible things. Now. In fact, the rate of diction amongst pain patients who are treated by doctors is much less than one percent. This is part of a campaign at the time to really just take pain more seriously. There had never been very good treatments for chronic pain. And so when opioids came in, and they were advertises news sexy safe effective drug a lot of people were ready to buy them. What was the major difference between say Oxy and the pre existing painkillers that were out there. Why did it take off in such a big way? So the big thing that they advertise that they use extended release formula and they're slowly absorbed into the body and it slowly taking effect. Yeah. That's going to be less risky than if they take a pill that takes effect all at once. Right. Yeah. That was the thinking and the thing he's like well patient will also need fewer of these pills since the only had to take one for eight to twelve hours. I should clarify that a lot of this is turns out to have been extremely misleading Purdue had evidence fairly early on that it's drug was not working as long as it advertise and the Los Angeles Times at a great report on this basically finding that they kept advertising long-lasting, anyway, even they knew it wasn't. Yeah. Even when they knew it really wasn't. But the key thing here is that even with extended release Formula one way to get around it is to crush the pill and snorted or injected and so that would make all the opioid. They're take effect at once. It's an extremely easy way to get around the medication essentially not getting it was highs you'd want to right away. Did Purdue know what it was cooking up in the nineties when it came up with Oxy didn't know that it had like this blockbuster drug on his hands. It certainly seemed to based on how aggressively marketed really wanted to sell as many opioids as possible get as many doctors prescribing them as possible. I mean, how big an industry does this become up to this point Perdue on its own as may tens of billions of dollars from Oxy other companies are probably making way more because in the end Oxy is still only a part on a small part of the overall opiate market. I mean, there's Percocet morphine is still big part of our patients. Get opioids in hospitals Fendt Knowles products. Yeah. Vica din. Codeine Demiral did these companies have any idea? How addictive these painkillers were? They definitely. Should have known. I mean, we've known for centuries that opioids are addictive just about everyone who's been using opium for thousands of years. Could tell you that and even people who took like Oxy ass prescribed got addicted and some of them overdose in died. So Purdue really should have known that this product is not safe. It's not affective. It really does help some pain patients. But it just wasn't a safe and effective as produce said it was and now we're all facing the consequences of this in the opioid epidemic. This is Dr Daniel young I'm a family physician in upstate New York over the last five years, I've transitioned into teaching younger physicians during their three year training program. Doctors are visited by pharmaceutical representatives, many different companies in the office. I was seeing pharmaceutical representatives probably one or two, you know, week where they would come to the office to tell me about any new medications. They might have out on the market or the that would bring the information that way where they would. There was a lot of conferences going on. I remember going to pain conference probably in the mid nineties to learn more about how to treat chronic pain. The all of the literature in the pharmaceutical information was that we had these longer acting pain medications and patients did not become dependent or addicted to the medication. So I think definitely shifted what I was doing. I've definitely increased the amount of long acting pain medication that I was providing the patients, absolutely. I would start getting more patients coming to my office. If you were a physician who prescribed the chronic pain medications, you would fuddy start getting more and more patients as friends would refer their friends to you. So yeah, definitely like a light bulb goes off saying, hey, something's not right here. You know, these are probably patients said should not be on chronic pain. Medication? Or out there to help people not to cause them harm. And I definitely think that over the years probably been some patients that I have caused harm by creating either dependence or addiction on pain medicine. Hello. Hello. Is Tim from Brooklyn? It is. Hey, it's Sean from today. Explain Sean Tim from Brooklyn late last year. We were talking about how you were hoping someone would send you the quip electric toothbrush around the holidays. The one that over a million people have purchased the one that's been endorsed by dentists the one that's sensitive on your gums did that ever happen. We believe that it did not and several people heard me talk about it on this, very podcast and should be. But did not purchase me one. How's your tooth brushing been since I believe the last time we talked? You were brushing until the quip arrived. If you stuck with just broke a bone in my right arm, which is dominant head. Cast on it. And it's been very hard to brush my teeth with your non dominant hand because you got to move it around. It have I I have been brushing assisted the difficult. You know, it would be something that maybe electric toothbrush could solve man if ever there were a case to get him from Brooklyn, equip electric toothbrush. Get quip dot com slash explained. G E T Q U IP dot com slash explained the quickstart just twenty five dollars. And Tim's first set of refills is free. Sounds like a good deal to me. So her when exactly did the first signs that you know, Oxy and other opioids like it might be extremely addictive start to surface. So it happened pretty early on by the late nineties and in the early two thousand we had already seen opiate overdose deaths. Start rising, particularly painkiller debts. There were stories all over the news. You can like look back at archives of people talking about misusing drugs using them at parties in that kind of thing. I mean, one of my favorite things here is that if you go back to old TV shows rewatch friends, there are jokes about misusing opioids and how they're making you feel high and all that friends. Yeah. That's great. Wow. Those pills really worked not the first two. But the second to it's a bunch of like nineties shows that you would think are more innocent. They do make these kind of remarks here and there Mr President. Did you any chance take your back pills? I don't mind Jay I was little there. Which would you take, sir? The vicodin or the Percocet I wasn't supposed to take them both. I'm like really sensitive to the stuff. Obviously. I'm like what what the hell. Are they talking about these drugs are not like, okay? To just joke about like this. I mean, I was in high school when I got my wisdom teeth removed, and I got some opioids results of that. And my friends were all joking about like, hey, are you getting high? Can we try some that kind of thing? But at the end of the day, it just goes to show like these drugs are really going everywhere. And everyone at some point seemed to know that they could be misused. And yet you still saw this kind of marketing did anyone hold these companies like Purdue and its peers accountable for this in the nineties the way, let's say. You see President Trump, for example, talking about it. Now at least now it's on until the mid two thousands. Where you start seeing government law enforcement really start to crack down. So actually in two thousand seven Perdue ended up paying six hundred million dollars in fines because of its misleading marketing and some of its executives were wrapped up in this to having to pay fines on their own. And then they had to go out and do community services a result of that. So in the end, that's like peanuts compared to the billions of dollars literally that they have made from opioids. So it's a question of where the held accountable enough or for them was just like a cost of doing business as they saw their profits grow. Anyway this morning. My office filed the lawsuit in Massachusetts state court against Purdy pharma. And it's board members and executives jumping ahead to present-day opioid crisis. They are now several lawsuits that suggest Purdue might actually get in more and perhaps. More serious trouble who are the executives these lawsuits target. So you do hear a lot about the Sackler meaning the Sackler family which owns Perdue. They're really wrapped up in all of this. Because not only were they involved in the creation of Oxy, but they also were involved in the marketing of it if the Sackler is haven't done enough damage, they also just patented they new drug to help. Wean addicts opioids so. The seculars addicted to the country to opioids now they're going to profit off the cure that takes a pair of swing Sackler. 's some recent lawsuits filed by Massachusetts attorney general the defining in their suggests that the sack letters, or at least some members of the Sackler family knew that these drugs were dangerous knew that they were leading to all sorts of trouble and still they tried to cover that up and that they push them to market the drugs more aggressively. They don't want to accept blame for this. They blamed doctors they blame prescribers and worst of all they blame patients when you say that you mean producer, you mean, the Sackler family or they want him the same. They went in the same in one alleged instance, then president Richard Sackler, devised what Healy describes as secular solution to the overwhelming evidence of overdose and death writing in a confidential Email we have to hammer on the abusers in every way possible there. Cooperates and the problem now pretty we'll come back into the findings in that lawsuit are misleading or taking some of that their communications out of context. But generally, we do know that produce very aggressive in marketing this the sack lers had to be involved in some way, given that they own the company in that kind of marketing is that is that lawsuit has settled or is it on going. Now, the Massachusetts lawsuit is relatively new. But there are I mean, literally hundreds of lawsuits around the country against not not just Purdue, but all sorts of pharmaceutical companies and also distributors. So like, Walgreens, for example, is wrapped up in some of these losses because the arguments also that these distributors should have known that they were supplying a bunch of these drugs to people should not be getting them a bunch of those lawsuits like again, literally hundreds are now being consolidated in Ohio. And the hope is that a lead to some sort of big settlement agreement that will once and for all tamp down on not just opiate prescription. But also provide money that can be directed to addiction treatment and. Prevention? Is the problem bigger than that though? I mean, you're talking about dealing with diction and dealing with the misleading marketing of these opioids. But like as you said, and as I said like, I got a moderately serious surgery did not need any painkillers, really. And I was sent home with Oxy, and you had a dental procedure, and you were sent home with Ozzy like this has become a part of this country's medical culture. And and you say this system, even though since two thousand ten there's been a drop in prescriptions for opiates overall. Okay. America still prescribed way more than any other country. I mean that there are different ways to measure this. But when you look at the statistics like the second-place country is is like not even close overall opioid prescriptions. America's way ahead. I mean, why the heck is it wise that even the case that were above and beyond any other country in terms of our usage of of these drugs. If you're a chronic pain patient or suffering from like, suitors pain, genuine pain. It's debilitating. You go to the doctor and the doctor wants to find a solution for you. But the dodgers also under pressure to see as many patients as possible throughout the day. That's how they get the most money out of essentially this system. So if you're face with that, are you gonna talk through the patient about how there might be psychological factors in their pain. Are you talking about how it might involve lifestyle changes and all of that stuff or you're gonna give him a pill, and like if you're under pressure to do this as quickly as possible to pill is the easiest answer. Now, there are a lot of good doctors out there who do not want to do that. Because they know that these opioids are risky, but even like, well, meaning doctors facing this kind of pressure the scales are just tilted against them. They are pressured to essentially give out these pills. It's easiest answer. In other countries. Have you talked to like Japanese doctors, for example, they will tell you that it's kind of expected that you will just have some pain and some points in your life. And if you talked to doctors here, they feel they're under more pressure to make sure that there is zero pain in somebody's life. The other thing is while there are some patients who benefit from these drugs of like acute pain specifically, and in terms of chronic pain, the evidence that they are actually better than other treatments for chronic pain is really weak like there's there's almost no scientific basis for that. Studies have been found that they're similar results. Whether you give somebody opioids or whether you put them on some other drug regimen, sometimes evolving Tylenol, and that's because over time. Opioids you grow tolerant to them. So they just become less effective. When I donate a kidney. I personally do not want because they make me nauseous. They don't actually don't help pain. I still got like I had trouble like telling the, nurses and doctors involved like please do not prescribe strokes. I mean, it's a serious surgery. So I can see why they would want to. But at the same time if somebody's telling you, I don't want these dangerous drugs. Listen to them. What would you take the pain? Instead, I just took extra strength Tylenol. Is a senior correspondent vox you heard from Dr earlier in the show, he came to us via the impact, which is another vox podcast. You should listen to Sean Rama's firm. This one's today. Explain. Thanks again to clip electric toothbrushes for supporting the show today. Let's hope Tim from Brooklyn joins the over one million people who have purchased a quip sometime soon. The quick starts at twenty five dollars at get quip dot com slash explained. That's G E T Q U IP dot com slash E. X P L A N E D And your first set of refills is F R E.
#hottakeoftheday Episode 63 w/Vicki Hollub
"Now, we're thinking audio. What is going on hot take the day nation. It is dear w here with an episode of the podcast that everyone expected I mean there is no doubt that at some point. Vicky of would be joining and today is interesting day because a hurricane is barreling down on Galveston where Vicki lives. So she's going to be i. have been apart I think our house. So lots to talk about in the next thirty minutes but first. Vicki thanks so much for joining us. How are you today? Good. It's it's such a sunny nice day here. You would imagine that by tomorrow afternoon or early evening there's going to be a hurricane here but But things are today at least. Okay. So this is this is the first major event of the year really where where we've had golf Mexico production shutting in. Platforms. What what is what does a hurricane look like in Galveston I mean, how did you have like like windshields that you put down on your windows and you just you just depart and come back and see what happens. Now, the problem is we we have to the biggest is cheaper us as to tie-down our boat in our boat. So we have to tie down, but we have to make sure it has the flexibility to move up and down. So we have a way to to do that, and and so the thing I'm most worried about is the boat. But we have. We live on Galveston. In GALVESTON and so but we're not on the main A. So we have a little protection from storm surge but a direct hit from Laura they. They're saying would create a storm surge of about seven to eleven feet. In. So yeah had high tide onto that and that's thirteen feet. So that would not still not quite get into my, but it would certainly be over the docking. My boat is going to not have a good day. I'm afraid we'll. We'll. Let's let's talk about this in the context of work from home. So I another storm hit the world and the oil markets and everything that we've been living with really since March which was when I was down is as funny I've had one live presentation since I saw you guys down at oxy March and. It's amazing. How much the world has changed since March fourth but I'm curious how the work from home been going for staff and and what have you learned and you know when people have to manage their lives, they have to leave their houses they have to manage their dogs, manage their kids what have been the pros and cons, and how are you thinking about this go forward assuming we go back to some level normal. Well. Certainly. We've been very impressed by what our teams have been able to accomplish in this kind of scenario because there's the the disconnection was okay for a while and then connecting business in all of that. That's it's been wonderful that we've been able to do it like this where we can actually see people as we're talking to them start think that's made this. Scenario that's been bearable in the teams have been performing incredibly well and exceeding expectations. You saw probably SARS second quarter earnings results in from an operation standpoint. Again, our teams exceeded even our expectations. So they're still performing at a very high level but but that can only only happen for so long you know they prolonged a disconnection from each other in having to do. It would have been a whole lot worse if we had had only phone lines and not disability to see each other but even disability to see each other, it's not like being in the office and being able to walk down the halls in in do the impromptu brainstorming, and that's what I worry about every time that we're gonNA miss out on first of our large cultural initiatives we were trying to to reinforce reinvigorate. It makes it hard to deal with our our cultural changes and help each other grow closer together as a team when we when we're doing it like this. So I was fine where we're GONNA be okay doing this for. For nine months, but if we have to go much. Beyond the end of this year, it's really GonNa Start to to bother me, and we're really going to have to pay more extreme measures about how to stay connected. I'm I'm really glad you say that because I think that you know if you follow the talking heads on TV or articles, everyone says work from home is going to change things and and I agree that presence that culture that that bringing people into the workforce and especially with the divisiveness that's that's really going on. So which is kinda pivots me a little bit and I don't WanNa be controversial on it, but you started your career in the eighties ish. And let's say. Am in the Eighties Ish and end the role of the role of women in the workforce. And Diversity in the workforce I think with everything going on with Blm and and you know opportunity you you rose to the top of a male dominated industry at the time and I'm curious what perspectives you have on diversity and inclusion in things that could have been done better things that are being done better and as we look forward to the future things that you're doing as part of the leadership at oxy industry to really change the perception of the way our industry but I think every industry was pretty male dominated in the eighties. So, curious how you were able to navigate that. Will for me back then it was. Working for Occidental really made a difference because oxy is a company that has always been pretty diverse. We've always had some interesting characters as CEO. I consider myself probably the most normal in that Steve State Super Smart and Steve is a financial gurun. So he's got all kinds of really great attributes. That I. Don't have, but I was I was more mixed within the organization itself more Party organizations. So as I came up, I had a little bit of net advantage over Steve in that I knew the people I knew. The people within the organization that knew how to do things. So I could connect and us. Oh so after that, but even before the we had people who CEO's who just focused on trying to make sure that we got people that can do the jobs, and then we had leadership throughout the organization that for a long time in my view didn't care whether you were. You were from the middle, eastern from from Africa from Russia from all the places that we had operations, we tried to utilize the best talent, and so we had the opportunity to take advantage of that talent. Now say that Mine Informal Mentor Golan who who actually got me, my first major leadership role in the company he he caught some backlash for that. So it wasn't like everything was rosy with him. Occidental the first time that that. I? Really. Significant role I got is leader. Managing. Edging are filled operations in. Ecuador. and. It was. A lot of people felt like A. Woman shouldn't be doing the always managing a filled operation that had about one hundred Ecuadorians in had. A. At the peak of our busiest time, we had about a thousand contractors working in all the areas of the field we were so remote that we had to fly, take a flight from Kito to a little town called Coca river than take a forty five minute boat ride just to get our camp it was self sustaining managing small city. So he he took some some backlash for winning. Put me in that role and but that was a that was. It really showed people that that if you're willing to take a chance on somebody and if you trust that person. Then than you're you've just give somebody a gift that on that will live with them and take them to places that they wouldn't have had otherwise have the chance to go in because he trusted me in because he stood up, did it against the people that didn't want it to happen I felt a lot about Gatien to make sure that I did the row really really well so that he would be would have been proved to be right in his decision and so. I think it's it's it's in any organization I think women. Need to have that person that supports them. They need we still need in the male-dominated dominated. Industries that that exists and like you said so many it's not banking energy manufacturing. So I've been to all these investor conferences not can tell you see more women in gas the Nazi in the investment community. Oh I think that any any industry like this needs people who are willing to step up four for whatever minority it is whether it's women whether it's Africa african-american weather it's. Latino or Latina. Whatever the person is, what we need to do is take full advantage of diversity that we haven't been able to use it to make our company stronger, and it's it's not just diversity its inclusion this it's making sure and in a lot of people, you'll quote stats conferences, they have this many this or that or whatever the, but the the real issue, the real. Thing that you need to focus on is, what do you do with it? Are you really getting full advantage of it and I don't believe that I'm doing? All I can can do within accede to make that happen, and so here recently I've trying to do more to to to advance this and make it happen and when we bought Anadarko, we noticed they did have diversity in inclusion initiatives that I thought were impressive and so a we are now trying to make that a part of our culture is trying to take advantage of what some of the best practices that they had and we're building on that. So tying those two things together I think that that. The Cova we have worked from home, and then we have culture and inclusion, and one of the things that I think stands out as potentially a risk to society is this sort of female recession of jobs because of schools and I don't know that I necessarily like phrased it right and I mean I hate to sound like you know very glib about it but generally speaking the roles of family and kid and stuff disproportionately fallen the women even. When men late myself are trying to help discover that I'm like mostly useless in that category, and so if my kids weren't able to go to school and weren't able to get driven and and their work from home that negatively impacts women, I'm curious what oxy does and what what industry and society does to help prevent this women's employment recession given how much progress we've made in in bringing people into the workforce and giving career opportunities and advancement him. Well I think that the biggest benefit that we're gonna see from what happened is part is a result of Kobe is going to be something that I think five years from now in ten years from now we're going to look back and say, yes, this was a horrible time people dies people suffered and and all of that was really horrible. The. One good thing that I hope will come out of this thing really will is that we're GonNa see that we can and should be much more flexible about how allow people to work. And I think that this flexibility this extreme flexibility should enable families where there's a mother father who both have jobs in both of them could have the flexibility that we should now be able to allow. Because now we know that people can work anytime him people can work from anywhere. So we have if we can allow this flexibility for both the father and the mother I think that that will make a make it possible for more women to remain a upon the workforce because if you look at what happens when no even the percentage of women that we bring into our industry into. Other industries when they get to the point of about mid career that's when we started start losing our women in losing that that progress that they had up to that point eight and part of it is that they get to a point where they look at their their children, the children's activities and I feel like the they've gotta be there for for their children for things that if they kept their job that might not be able to do. So we have to fix that we have to fix that so that they can address that both the mother and the father because The. What's great about the millennials in earlier career people that we have now is they care about family is like they care about. Their Children's fathers don't feel lockets his job to sacrifices time with the kids because he's gotTa go be earned. He's gotta go spend. Fifty, sixty seventy hours a week worked the job and it can't be with the kids because that's the expectation for for him. The expectation for the women has been they they do the take the primary responsibility Straw, the kids activities. So we WANNA take in should take the pressure off of both of them. And bring them closer together. So each gets to experience their children going on because I can remember the times when I was a working with guys when when the kids were far were young, it was like I can tell they wanted to go spend the time that they didn't think that they would be allowed to or should even want to. It seemed like sort of Macho. Thing back then and I'm so glad our. Young people today are so enlightened much more than we were why like I? Really like your your hybrid approach because you're taking the best of Covid, which was people can work from anywhere. It is Kinda funny to think about the fact that I ended up in Denver because I mean, obviously, we were sold Anadarko, Canada, I got moved to Denver I had to move but like, well, it's time for you to transfer to Houston and now you sort of say that and I think people would have a difficult time saying that with a straight face. So the best of both worlds I think is really good now. You know that I'm passionate about executive compensation that I've been I've been complimentary review because you know two of the most difficult decisions the came on the back of both covert and the Anadarko merger were cutting the oxy dividend which had been held there for very very long time and also lowering yours and other executive comp. and. I'm curious how that played out in how you think about executive comp going forward I mean we continue to see and and I think Kodak. The example of where options were granted the day before this. Loan, happened and all the exact got rich and everyone got fired up and some of these bankruptcies of seen very, very large pay packages be awarded to CEO's that may or may not still be with the company and you really look in my view the industry in taking different approach. How do you think oxy's views on executive compensation will evolve out of this and what are your personal views on go forward I don't want the rest of the CEO's in the industry. And other industries to hear me say this but I think overweight overpaid. it's you know it's an I can understand the compensation levels of CEO's because it's a risky job. It's a very risky job normally. I don't know what the average tenure of CEO Today is. But I, I, know that when I took the job I was looking at the stats knows in. Four years. So I'm thinking I've got this great career in operations in a love what I'm doing and and. Can Twenty sixteen when I when I took this. Four and a half years younger, and at that time I was thinking I've got A. Fifteen year career as a as an operations person than doing technical work and things that I love to do versus. Take the CEO role in the average CEO. Last four years oh. At that time I don't know if it's gotten longer now but but you take a job that's risky and in that's part of the reason for the incremental compensation. That's the only reason I can figure that that happens because. Really. When I look at the difference in the value I add versus the leadership team in the organizations. That it's it's. Really disproportionate. To to what others in the organization make. So I'm fine with where my coauthors today I think that. We have to overtime. There needs to be. There can't be as much as a gap in between. People. Don't see Ios when they get to these roles. They had a lot of support like I. I saw people in the organization that I've now with me and putting those because I knew I could do and they're doing a great job. Those people are helping so much and so it's To me, it's always a team. It's a team that makes things work. It used to be a lot of industries you look to some of the leaders of some of the the The the very well respected accompanies passed in you always see some personality's amazing. No doubt they're amazing. But but today's world is so much more complex than things were back. Then to think that one individual can really make the difference in making a company great versus not is. Is. For for where we are today, not to ride assessment, it's really it takes a team in a takes a leader who recognizes that, and who will let the t mix l. let the teen do what they need to do, and the people within the organization organizations do I need to do? That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to to let. Our key executives and our key leaders in the organization. They're empowered to to do things without without having to. Having to go through A. Whatever decision they make has to be vetted through dramatic thoroughly, and we've got people doing the things that. I just tell him to go do it. Kim You informed go do it in the. Doing amazing things and they just got to keep you informed and you know at some point if there's a strategic direction change then. We as a team, get together and do it. So it is again, it's a great time because one of the things that was going to say is as I. Think about like typical maybe typical is wrong word but historical leaders who this big personality and seeing you over the multiple times we've chatted and seeing if the office seen the way that the staff looks at you, I mean you're a team member and you're a facilitator in your your coach in your your they're making performance better. You're not doing it out of the sheer mega larger than life personality and and juxtaposed that with you also did the single largest deal and energy in the last three or four years. You beat Chevron in an in a bid friend darker which we've talked about at length and and I am and continue to be supportive of the deal because you know everyone forgets oil was seventy three dollars. I think the day that you announced and the world has changed. But with the context of CEO's have a very high risk job that you are the lightning rod for this deal that Kovic happened that no one could have predicted to the point where even the three way callers you had like win below price that no, one would've ever believed possible. How do you look at the transaction now in twenty twenty hindsight as you do a look back, how do you judge the success or failure? Over the duration as opposed to these quarter to quarter, you know pressures you'd get from Wall Street and everyone telling you like what did you do? You're like well, give us give us some time I'm curious your thoughts. Well I I look at the deal and certainly I'd. Then, Blake now, the deal was exactly the right thing to do for oxy because we were not looking at making. transforming. Nazi in a year, we were looking at transforming obscene two years. We were looking at making oxy over three to five period a totally different company and accompanied that's committed to sustainability for the long term and what this did for created a NASA basis phenomenal an asset base where we can apply accommodates to that development that overtime is going to not only make give us incredible resources. For the future for development but also it will give us a lower carbon footprint than I think any of competitors on a per barrel basis. So while the Europeans are moving more to renewables, we're moving toward our core competence and that's to use o two for enhanced oil recovery, not only in conventional but in unconventional, not only the United States but all around the world and as we do that. We are able to help the world lower co two in the atmosphere will start in the Permian and will move. We've already started at the Permian. We'll be moving to other places where we operate and internationally the deal not only did that forest help us differentiate ourselves from an asset based standpoint. But also from a low-carbon standpoint, it also lowered our risk against The potential of fracking going away because our footprint now domestically is so large. It's larger from lamb perspective than any other company today in the United States. From hydrocarbon standpoint. So all we have to do is apply co two to all that should fracking get banned and without foot brand, we can still double the resource that we have today w reserves we have today and do it without needing to Rockwell's. So it takes a significant risk off the off the table for us. We're now much more domestic than international, but where we are internationally were in stable countries in in places with aware that had been honoring the bitter. CODA business in their own laws so that we feel comfortable that we can sustain that over time in that it kicked out her ex expropriated and some people feel like this was a bet on oil prices. This was absolutely not a bad on oil prices. This was a bet on our employees and I'll make that bed any day and made that were winning at. Certainly. Lot of what we're accomplishing is being overshadowed by the COVID price for in all of that. But if you go back and look in time you go back to the first week. Matt Wti ever averaged forty dollars. You probably know this you have somebody stats amazement with your stats. I just love to listen to but but if you go back in July of two thousand and four was the first week got wti averaged forty dollars. And since that time deputy is averaged forty dollars ninety five percent of the of the weeks that occurred. So ninety five percent of the time W TI's averaged above forty dollars or above. So we knew that even before their acquisition after the acquisition that our break even price was still going to be around forty dollars, but the upside is tremendous. So we knew that we would make it through at forty dollars, lower risk more US operations, and all our employees to do was make it work and they're making it work. So so I know a hurricane barreling down on you. So I'm going to I want to make you comfortable I've have three more questions to or quick, and one is some advice. So the two quick ones are so coming out of cute to you did announce Wyoming sale, which was which was interesting. It was clearly a legacy. But it was a little more different than I thought had surfaced land and a whole bunch of things with love for you to just comment quickly on that transaction and part of the you know the proceeds. Leading towards being able to pay down the debt. Yeah that that was the one of the most complex things we've ever sold because it's got trona mines at has other minerals that have yet to be developed. It has hydrocarbons in ahead the surface that that could be used to build resorts in all sorts of things, and so we had to bring in two different advisors who had expertise around each of the areas that we did not. So the things other than hydrocarbons. Our team sent out. A teaser to more companies and individuals than we've ever Senate to we seem to a lot of Hollywood movie stars we send into a lot of billionaires. We send it to companies until we sent out about fifty teasers, I think we ended up signing about twentysomething seat company jailed agreements ended up with thirteen bidders as very serious bidders in the first round and then second round had more. Than seven that were reasonable bids and then with the high bidder with Ryan and We're happy about what we were able to accomplish their even with all the complexity of it and think that we're going to be able to partner with Ron Orion going forward be kept the hydrocarbons because we know they're the upside. So if you looked at pre code we're looking at probably we'd get. Around one and a half point seven and with the deal we got one point three three plus the upside hydrocarbon. So we got within the range that we expected to get pre covid and that's that's worked out well for us when we will be will use those funds to definitely pay down death. Awesome. So then the second piece was a little twist from your original plan I. Think that some of the Africa sales some of the international the you plan on divesting and and I thought was one of your brilliant executions to be able to lineup the needles with buffet and and have hotel ready to step in what do you plan to do now? Obviously, that was a big change. How do you think about that is part of the core strategy for oxy go forward Patrick. And I ran into a roadblock stelling Algieria. Home, what we found there as While we we didn't know the assets and we figured you know our strategy was not to be in Africa was just in the Middle East. South. America. And the United States. But as we learn more about the assets and we hit the road blocks which took a serious look at the assets than and in part of the reason to give Kudos Anadarko part of the reason we hit the block is. Two things first of all the the ALGIERIANS did not want to sell to totality because that would increase the percentage of production hotel had in the country and what they're trying to manage is diversity of investment within the country. So they didn't want to many eggs in one basket from an investment standpoint. So had nothing to do with hotel it was just a management of WHO's investing, but the other thing, the other big reason had a lot. To do with Anadarko so all the good things about Anadarko the Jerry thing was an incredibly good news story for for Anadarko because they had built a reputation there and the relationships there that Algeria did not want the ended Arco Organization to go away from Algeria. So that's a it was a initially positive news story for us that the reputation was so good that done a good job there but then what it costs for us is the problem. Of Needing to stay there, and that was what I initially due to be a problem until we looked at the assets in more detail in got comfortable with the fact that there is upside there things that can be done with just a some additional investment in attention to that. So we're actually excited about now we've been working with Sonatrach in some our other partners to look at our five and ten year plans over there and I think it's GonNa be turned out to be one of those things that were glad we We're glad we didn't make it happen I think it's a great win because one of the criticisms of the deal time was there was a lot of value. So parsing and keeping. So now you get all of that and all the exposure to long-term world prices. So congrats on that last question if you could go back in and meet yourself as a younger Vicky. Pick Twenty, two, twenty, three, starting your career knowing what you know. Now in all of the lessons that you got the resiliency, the career path mentorship, what advice would you give that would meaningfully change your outcome. I would say that first of all. Always. Be. Passionate Always take whatever job comes your way because you even if it's something that you don't want to do something that you think will not broad you that's haptic times but I never said no to anything every job I took on learn something from home and and that's the way you have to look at it. So if you end up being offered a job. The if possible, don't say now take it and then as soon as you take it, go figure out what going to. Bring to you what can I do for you So it's not only what can you do in that job to do the best job you can what expansion is again provide for you and take advantage of that, and the next thing I would say is always make sure that you're the person you're the kind of person that you would want to work with. So think about what of person would you really WANNA work with? Is it somebody? Who helps you be better than you are than somebody that may be? Sort of doesn't make you feel comfortable all the time but somebody that could actually make you grow over those the kind of people that you wanna work with if so be that person to others because that's GonNa likely get you in a position where people are going to want you to be on their team. There was one guy that used to used to work with. and. It didn't matter what I he he reported to me and it didn't matter what ask him to do. He would always say. And I would go through into these explanations in. At least three or four or five, wise and ice. nuts. But then what what happened to me is everytime I would get ready to go talk to him. I would know there's going to be at least for one is so then start working through all those wise in my head. And then it. So initially, it was a contentious relationship. Over time it got to be better and better and better because it got to be something that we laugh about because he knew he put me a little bit on edge initially had I knew that he was just driving me nuts but we made it work and it it really helped me down the road to anticipate what others are thinking and how and how they can help me to think differently and be open to that, and if you can be open to that, you can work with anybody. Well. You you know. Long Time Ago Sixteen eighteen months ago when I wrote my first post about about my phantom of you. Got To know you more personally I feel very, very blessed. You're very gracious with your time I. Think you're a wonderful sale. You've you've done nothing but reinforce all of my positive things I have to say about you and I. Wish you the very, very best of luck with the hurricane with the next quarter and with everything that has to come, and I look forward to staying in touch chatting with you soon. So thanks so much for joining us and beasts literally be safe. Right. Thank you. David. Okay. Thanks. For everyone else be safe be good. Have a great leap day and until next time.
What is a Franchise Discovery Day?
"If you're thinking about buying a French you'll probably hear the phrase discovery mentioned by the franchise who sharing with you about the opportunity year nephew right now I was thinking about marsupials vinod pouches and thank you for clarifying and now we'll get back to the main idea. What is the discovery and why do the kangaroo half to be Friday big and have that big old crazy. They need to have that path. I don't think so well listen. I don't know and furthermore I don't care because we're talking about discovery days and everything you would ever need to know about discovery that is cool but I also also like to carve out some time to good what founder Kangaroo makes because event the bad found found badmouth this this is the water the kangaroo soundbite by the bad found that of the of the bad people out there about the kids some help Matt. We're GONNA talk today. Sorry about franchising what on everything you could possibly be to know about discovering. We're going to be interviewing that. Klein with Oxford Franchise Franchise brand developer with foxy fresh with over four hundred locations throughout America. The oxy franchise system companies doing very very everywhere and now back to the program. You have questions America's number. One business coach has answers. It's your brought up from Minnesota Oughta. Here's another edition of clay anything on the thrive time business coach radio show. Yes yes yes and yes. Mr Clyde always looking fine. How are things going going in Denver today. My friend things are going great. have a really exciting week here. We have some New People here for training so always nice the meet the people we can talk and get him on the path to franchise ownership now my understanding. I talked to a Jonathan Barnett the CEO and president of oxy fresh the founder founder of oxy fresh today and John was telling me that you have. I believe off to people in town. Three people in town today for a franchise discovery Discovery Day is this. Is that correct am I getting right. We yeah so we have two groups Charleston South Carolina and then we have an area in New Jersey two different groups of people great franchise that Father Son Combo ones a gentleman. That's just moving forward on his own but yeah they're here got through the whole process validation they're ready to move forward and get their discovery and their training don this week what I wanted to do on today's shows I wanted to talk about about validation and the discovery day one a one so I wanted to kind of start with this because I think there's a there's initially a lot of misunderstanding about how the world of Franchising and works and I would like to believe it works. Matt and you can clarify that. I'm getting something wrong or missing some details. Essentially if I'm out there and I'm looking at you you know create time freedom or financial freedom. I can go out there and look for a business model like an oxy fresh. That's been proven to work and if the system DOC looks to be a go or I'm interested as a Franchisee I reach out to the franchise or so in this case I'd reach out to oxy fresh and then you guys are going to give me in over view but sometime during this process I have to decide whether oxy fresh is right for me and my family and you really have to decide if oxy the fresh is right for me is the Franchisee and we would call that particular process of validation. Is that correct yeah so I mean it. It is certainly you know both parties right. you gotta find that the the model that works for you in what your goals are and how that mom gets you there but we we also have to make sure the individual that is coming in Oxford victim all right good examples that you know we're a very technology driven company and so you know if you don't believe in technology and you don't. WanNa use computer which I've had this happen. That's probably not a good thing so that's a very easy example but also expectations really realistic expectation. I just WanNa make sure that everyone's going down the same path together so let's go. Let's kind of breakdown of the validation criteria here one does does someone's credit escort it all play into this to somebody's credit score in ability to have access to liquid cash yeah and that could be different forms so we don't do like the net worth type. Our franchise investment is not high enough where it's half a million or two million dollars so we want you to have the ability you to come to the table with enough funds. You're not underfunded so being able to either come to the table with your own funds or being able to do like a retirement rollover. Maybe spa loan route. We've had people like myself who've done home equity line of credit so how we get there. you're getting a traditional types of business loan. There's the credit is going to be important. The debt I have to income ratio is going to be important. you know who law involved the business or absolutely credited main criteria so let's get in a little bit more into this financing piece what percentage of the people by an oxy fresh franchise do you think are people that are going to get an. SBA Loan Small Business Administration listen alone probably about forty percent go through the SBA processing new SBA SBA express the the spa is an extremely good funding platform. You really have to have your you know your ducks in a row. It's the hardest funding to get. You really need to have a good in credit score. you'd have all the things that is the best because the interest rates are extremely low because you're a very very qualified individual okay so the SBA it would be a way to go for about forty percent of people and you mentioned a home equity line now. I know that you live in a palatial estate. You have sprawling pools metropolis Petropolis. You really have what forty seven thousand square feet on the first level Matt so not not most people can pull out seven million dollars to buy oxy fresh like you can't so what kind of money are we talking talking about to get into the oxy fresh game as it relates to pulling money out for from home from home equity loan. If you're doing it just completely wheatley on the Home Equity Line of Credit you. WanNa have about sixty five thousand something like that. those are also very low. in terms of interest are good ways used to doing it. I've had people do kind of a hybrid where they're gonNA have a home equity line. It puts them on that but then they also have like retirement so we kind of open the door and we have very very good partners that we work with not only that we'll show you what you qualify for but the implications of taking certain types of loans out but the lock. US worked very well so my brother and I are two departments that will be used okay so you you you would help somebody out there if they're looking to buy a franchise find the appropriate financing yeah definitely and I personally wouldn't take them through that because I'm not the expert although I've taken many many people through that process with our funding partners they are third party funders that are specifically burst in franchising that know about that very in tune with SBA SBA approved franchise franchise which helps it just in the in the validation of you as a person getting funding furnace than your own. What does it mean to be. SPF what what what does that mean listeners out there yeah so that means that you know the business that you're going with. Let's just say Ozzy Rush we have gone through the process with the SBA to be a prude business so we have a good financial standing for a certain period of time where they say yes. It's business is a functioning business that she continued to grow. We've also been steady in terms of growth so they look at our success rate. They look at our financial standing and say yes we have the SBA approved this business as a business that we can do that so in terms of what the actual actual individuals going to go through They don't have to do as much in terms of like If you open your own business got it right you didn't. SBA YOU'RE GONNA and have to literally go every piece of the process through You know industry reporting back to them. You'RE GONNA have to go through things like pro forma to a very instagram so a lot of that taking care because the model itself has already proven so what they're really looking for is if you are able to refunded in that proven business so just eliminate some of the steps because the business model i WanNa make sure that all the listeners out there know what the SBA is the small business administration ministration and back in the day two thousand seven Matt. I was Oklahoma's. Spa Entrepreneur of the year and you might say well why does the SBA recognize entrepreneurship entrepreneurship or why what was the SBA SBA is a small business administration and their job is to stimulate the economy and over the past twenty years according to Forbes a little little over sixty five percent of all of the jobs in America have been created by small business owners and Mo- small business owners need some access to capital to you start a business or to grow a business and so the SBA has teamed up with local banks community banks regional banks and what they do is if the SBA. Let's say that the your local bank lended me one hundred thousand dollars the small business administration typically we guarantee somewhere between seventy five percent and eighty five five percent of that loan so if I defaulted on the loan the bank's not on the hook for all one hundred thousand dollars. They're only on the hook for fifteen thousand dollars or twenty five thousand dollars so the interest rates lower. It's a super move so again. Just recapping here. Maybe forty percent of the people by oxy fresh are looking for an. SBA loan are typically using SBA loan madison correct that is frank and home equity lines would be what percentage approximately home echoed much much smaller than that that's less than ten percent about eighty percent of people that come through some form of funding and pay cash cash boom upfront upfront. Here's a check. Let's go twenty percent. less than a lot of people will do retirement rollovers. A lot of veterans will do they're rollovers overs because of their because their time in the service they have good stack of cash that they've accrued and they can basically if they retire the service they could take that and use that to invest a pretty the big one There's you know veterans like M. Five things that they're coming out with also though you know there's all sorts of as a very very big one home equity as a smaller one because you do need to have the equity in your home to make that a viable option right you know so you know retirement. rollovers are very very common. some people will you know take money out of stock market right because they're going to invest in themselves instead of the market that can fluctuate a lot as not happen a lot so you just kinda got. I put all your your chips on the table and figure out what the best most efficient way to fund your business and maybe something you're not even thinking about it yet but that's why it's important to have conversations with the funding partners I because before you ever start anything they're gonNA lay it all out there and you can basically make a decision on what's best so again after that initial call with oxy fresh then you go through this kind of validation period. We're oxy fresh. Make sure that you're a good fit. You feel like you're a good fit and then talk to us about Discovery Day Discovery Discovery Day in the world of Franchising. Is it yeah so this is where you tie everything together because previous to this discovery profit and we discovery where we fly you out to Denver over. You're going to spend at least two days so there's two parts of the discovery one in your coming out just to validate the phone conversations the the conversations have other franchisees. the documents that you read so you're basically tying everything together while you're here to make sure there's no red flag right. Make sure that you get along with the people people that are going to be helping you on the on the franchise side. Beijing is a good symbiotic relationship between you and the Franchising Company so that you begin can walk down the same road together so that process is essentially the last step before you become a franchise and it's an in person we're taking everything the first day is completely -pletely office related back office technology for US our scheduling platforms and how they integrate with our individual Franchisees it's GonNa go through marketing marketing and a very high level. It's going to go through the technology platform in the reporting software that we have on the back end so that is all business ownership related training and what we do the second day is off field training so you're gonNA see how boots on the ground the customer interaction in how mixed product how we go about our day how would you walk through pre and post jobs how he takes payment so when you go with the business part of it the first day then you go with the actual doing of jobs the second day after you've John All of that and you decide to move forward that is when we would go through the maps and lock everything in and that's typically when people would sign to become a franchise that discovery process once all done the next step is becoming a franchise which is the last step in the process so day number one where we're going over the back end of everything who's GonNa be leading me. Where's it going to take place in win. Is it going to happen. The time of the day sure yet so we start that nine. Am we read this muscle restaurant by by our office here in Lakewood Colorado. we just kind of go through an introduction big we bring our entire team. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA meet our management staff on our marketing department. Hartman are Cleaning System Department or Development Department or off Department or Founder Jonathan or Vice President Chris. Everyone is there so we just kind of meet each other. Make sure everything's good. I'm usually have some laughs at that. Time we go straight into the train. We go first into the technology how integrates to the scheduling center which is right here so with your action to sit with our scheduling center reps as they book jobs for our franchisees across this country awesome and see how it integrates technology. You'RE GONNA go through the next section with Aaron Hogan. WHO'S OUR Director Marketing. You're going to do all the marketing techniques that we use all the marketing vendors that are implemented into our franchise and how these sorts of bases this is will help you grow in your local market. That's that's the second piece of it and then the afternoon is dedicated specifically to our founder and Josh Our online marketing specialists and talking about oxy fresh past present and future very important understand why we are here now how we got to this point what we're currently working on is a franchise and the roadmap six months to a year down the road because everything's changing so much so we're needs to be a clear understanding of what we are doing for our franchisees and the responsibility of our franchisees and what they need to do and they get back home right so at that point. We're not doing any heavy training at this point. We're just showing examples of everything that we're doing so there's a clear understanding for Franchisees of what they need to do. Not just a book switch and go back home and just start coming from the Scots. I it is full on this Dr Fresh. How much of your Discovery Day do you sit together and talk about feelings and motivation and then more motivation and more inspiration and how much time is about this specific steps. This is the system. This is how it works what the field training behind the seats as pie chart what percentage of it are you bouncing around beach balls and blaring. Tony Robbins and say you'll okay do it. You can do it. You gotTA sign up now. I mean what percentage of the time are queuing up the hype music. Are you telling people availibility left or you really in the pressure. What percentage of the time are you really hyping open it up like a good like a good time share sales. What what time are you really ambushing the people what percentage of the Pie chart do you vote to ambushing people with high pressure sales. Techniques makes sure that a hundred percent of getting wow we're we're. We're very we're very you'll see very laid back true. I mean it's extremely important for us. we will not buy sell a franchise or water franchise until someone goes through this process because you just don't know right a lot of the motivations. Ralph's comes from the individual their engagement with our Home Office true right. We've had people come in now. Say the word. That's very difficult because we can't really understand the goal so what we wanted it very open format. We're talking about how you specifically are going to be able to to to leverage the resources. We have an Aussie fresh to grow your business and it needs to be a give and take on both sides so most of it is just laying everything out there and making sure there's a clear understanding of what's going to need to happen to be a successful business. and it's also we can engage with you and understand your understanding ray so we. I need to have multiple conversations about one specific aspect. That's not uncommon. Not Everybody learns the same but we need to know that so that we can clearly show what's going to need to be done. Tom And adults can affect your business so it is completely exploratory. At this point we're going through at a very high level each aspect of the business and and and and making sure that there is a very very clear understanding because at this point the next thing happened. This has become a franchise so if we're not really at an understanding point now we probably need to go back to drawing board a little bit. And what kind of questions do you mind. What are some of the most commonly asked questions during Discovery Day like today you have. I mean people in from multiple cities. What kind of questions did due to to ask when they come for Discovery Day. Yeah a lot of people will say you no for my business. I WanNa grow whatever the numbers I want to be this big by this point. How much do I need to spend on marketing. That's a big one right and so what we're GONNA do is go into your local market arcade. We're GONNA see who your competitors are. 'cause at this point. Not Every territory has created the same the competition right seventeen google reviews might get it done in one territory. We're a hundred twenty might get it done and another. That's not anything that those aren't hurdles. We can't get over. It's just how much are you spending how much time you're spending and how quickly can you get to that hundred twenty one reviews news right so all these things are very easily manageable as long as clear expectations leads to be done so one of the questions are marketing. A lot of the questions aren't support right when I hire someone. How do I train them when I hire somebody or how do I hire someone. That's a big one as well right all these things we address and show the platforms you use to effectively get these things done whether it's hiring whether it's training whether it's implementing marketing programs in a given level and how that actual relationship works wchs right. Are you guys doing it for me and my doing it for myself. Are we working together so we're GONNA lay out all those things and we want people to come in as many questions fossil aw very scary. If someone comes no question and how much money are you going to charge me to come to the discovery that there is asking this question Jeez. What's IT GONNA cost. Get out there and you know what is charging people. A thousand dollars for the tour or is it free. What does it cost to do a discovery day with foxy pressure sure yes yeah so and and there's a lot of companies do this different. We have a very what I consider unique approach. We're not just flying people out that haven't gone through a very very detailed L. process with our development team prior so have you called me one day and said Hey. I've been looking at Oxford for a long time. I WANNA do this. Let's put the brakes on a little bit. I need to know about you. We had to go the process. This could take weeks or months by the way so the discoveries after a long amount of time in terms of or a short amount of time a lot of conversation a lot of deep dive into the material and having conversation our franchisees right like-minded Franchisees yeah so this is this is after we kind of Said Yeah. This is good for us is good view it doesn't we don't charge anything we want you to. I realize that this is a two way street. I have the flexibility ownership is to fly individuals out. There would be a good fit prosper so we fly you out to come and do this and they give us that because if we feel that it's appropriate. Mike and I are both franchise owners. We know what it takes to be successful in this business so when we get to that point we're very very confident in being able to invest in somebody else before they ever invest in Austin fresh and if you if you go out there and and you sold an oxy fresh franchise awarded one to somebody who's not successful you guys make a percentage of of somebody's gross revenue you know and so you don't make anything as oxy first corporate if someone's failing. I mean your your your success is tied together. Talk to us here. I have two final questions about field training on at the end of the day. Someone's going to have to go out there and clean carpet and know how to clean carpet. If you buy oxy for his franchise you're going to have to know how to clean carpet know how to train people to clean carpet. You're going to have to know how the online scheduling works. How detailed of field training do you do you go into do franchise potential potential franchisees actually go out there and clean carpet themselves or are they watching videos about this is how we clean carpet or what are they doing all the above right right so while you're here we spend most of the time field training because that's the hardest thing to reenact when you get home right we can always go through marketing go through scheduling jobs and how how the online scheduler interact with your customers all that can be done very easily what is harder to recreate it the actual training in the field so we spend most of the time why here what we didn't talk about is when you become a franchise after that first two days you're. GonNa stay at least another two to three days or come back to Denver for two or three days for more training right so that's not the only training so most about about seventy percent of the people at Tom will come for the whole week expectation to become a franchise without the obligation so I feel as if they don't feel comfortable that's fine they go home but a lot of people on a trip so they go the Discovery Day for days. Fine become a franchise Wednesday Thursday Friday the additional training and this is where we really dial into the cleaning process the customer engagement the process of going from a job on your schedule going to the job call ahead walk-throughs payments and all that sort of stuff so that is something we'll drill very hard. the nice thing about our cleaning system is very easy reading train anybody male female young old. It's not heavy equipment either so that pieces easy but what we do on the back end of that is to piggyback on just it's the in the in the field training you very indepth online. Aussie fresh university. We worked very hard on this It's got seven different stages to it. It's got mixing product. It's got carpet cleaning poultry cleaning Thailand brow cleaning even hardwood floor cleaning it even goes into certain aspects of how you get Google reviews from customers right your ability to get a review in the home and and if you leave a flyer to give them so all these things it's it's the the whole process and you must have that a ninety percent before. US owner can open your schedule and if you have a technician they must have ninety cents before they can actually put jobs on their schedule so it's not just kind of we trust you. These are very imperative things to keep our brand to what we consider world class APP customer service which we have now. We need those things to happen and you should want them to happen so that everyone on your team has feel set to do a good job. I know some of our listeners right right now. We're going to be going up to thrive time. Show dot com slash oxy fresh again. That's thrive timeshare dot com slash oxy fresh to learn more about the brand but if you buy an oxy fresh franchise which is at the end of the day you have proven turnkey marketing a history of success low start up costs cutting edge carpet cleaning technology and much much more but Matt can't. I can't help you. The oxy fresh team can't help you if they don't get a chance to know you so just go there to thrive time show dot com for slash ozzy fresh throughout the form and Matt that you're GonNa give them a call and then what happens Yep. You're gonNA get an email. You're going to get a text message and you're also GONNA get a phone call and we're GONNA set something up. We're GONNA take the process. I'M GONNA learn a lot about you. What you're looking to accomplish your goals weren't talking about how author May or may not be able to accomplish that so and we'll just have an open forum where we can get through the process and if you become a franchise great if not that's okay man. I appreciate your time more than you could possibly a unknown. Oh No 'cause I know you today. You have multiple people in from out of town to buy an oxy fresh franchise and so this is not a theoretical day for you there real people in from all over the country visiting today's a busy day okay so I'll let you get back to what you're doing. I'm sure you have some discovered a dodgeball sessions to complete important things like that so I'll let you get back to it and again. Thank you for being on the show today my friend all right. Everyone have an awesome day. I appreciate the time and we're here. You guys want to store fresh all right. Take care here now. It's time to in the show with the boom. 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November Biohacking Q&A #8 Stacking Piracetam with SSRIs, Microdosing LSD vs Nootropics & Semax
"This is john and this is the november. A podcast and eat questions for this one. So i'm gonna try to have a little bit. More of a rapid clip going through them questionable. One i heard from buckle landi. He commented on youtube jonathan. I'd like to ask you. What is the best neutral. Pick in your opinion. What is better. Oxy rasa tim with pheno crossed him or new pepped with final peraza attempt. So there's two questions in there the best nutro pick in your opinion okay. This is a question like when people say hey. I want to travel the world to seduce exotic women which country has the best women. Tell me which ones are the best go there. And it really is subjective and based upon what you're trying to accomplish and based upon your unique neurobiology and your cognitive and personality and make up your different motivations. I really can't tell you what the best neutral pick is. I'm just going to have to recommend that you try a couple of the ones that are held in high esteem by bio hackers high-performance successful people. And you'll be able to select something from that that you really really liked it. You consider your personal your personal favorite. You may also be asking Jonathan what in your opinion what. Your personal view is the best and i have to go with the product that i created myself and obviously created it largely so that i could have something that really worked. Great for me and that is kabaija rasa. Tom rich stack that used to special proprietary ingredients that really increase the bioavailability of the other teams in it. That took all the other rasa dams that i've been using for all these years and that are held in such high esteem and took it to the next level that product was called combined. Joe and i sold it to about one hundred people at this point now a little bit more than that and i will consistently here. People that are veterans of pharmacological enhancement. And they'll tell me. Wow this is like the best or one of the best things that i've ever tried. So yes i have to personally. I'd probably rank that number one. The second question asking about female president and the other those rows attempts new pepped and oxy rasa tim because while you can take phenyle on its own it. It's expensive and so you really wanna maximize cognitive benefits. That you're getting out of it and if you combine it with some other things it can really take things to the next level. And i like oxy rasped him. More than new pepped for a couple of reasons oxy rested him more proven by double blind human clinical trials and and solid science whereas new peptic just has those handful of decent studies that have been done on it and oxy raza him based upon dealing with people that i've talked with that are you know self experimenter's self qualifiers oxy rasa. Tam seems to work more consistently than new pep does and personally. I really like oxy ratan. Because it in a very subtle way stimulates discipline. And i really can't say the same for new pet but i'll also draw your attention to two other co factors of phenyle porosity and perhaps cofactor isn't isn't quite the right word. 'cause cofactors implies that there's some type of pharmacological action that they have together like the way that alpha-gpc and phoenix awesome. Do but two things that as i was researching people kept saying. Wow these three things together were just like a having a montage trois with you know those green aliens from an old star trek episode. The captain kirk would get frisky with which is fina past him. Seen axe and sell lec seem accents. Link are these neutral of russian origin and they are peptides and they work more specifically on the bnf mechanism. And i recently research cemex really thoroughly and look through. Jeez probably at least several hundred anecdotal reports of a very rigorous bio hackers. And i kept hearing people say pheno prasad him in selangor. Wow and cemex in slink are are not seeming is a little pricier. Selena is really not very pricey and so if you're going to shell out the cash for female peraza down. I would combine it with those two other things. If you really want to become so smart that you just figure out a invention that can deliver us world peace or whatever. Next question was from your shed. I've i've no idea if i'm pronouncing that name correctly. He said fascinated by your research. Thank you sir. I'm fifty two years old. i've to minor strokes and recently moved to israel. I'm struggling to learn hebrew. I take esus argument. Sri medication and have to be careful about which supplements that i take. What are you recommend. And he said that he was on zoloft and paco today for bipolar depression. And the new trubnick that you could take with a very minimal risk which is to say a virtually no risk along with those is peraza him. President you've probably heard of it's the original. It's it's one of the original nutro. Picks that was so effective in improving people's minds in their memory. Either ability to focus improving their mood that it won this class of pharmacological agents the colloquialism smart drugs per item is debatably the first quote unquote smarter and prasad. Him is going to help you. Certainly with language learning. It helped me when. I was learning spanish and i doing some searching around for a watered. You tropics that have conflicts that of an undesirable reaction with sr is particularly soup. Zoloft ends pacho to. I do not think i'm pronouncing best. Second all right correctly Wh- porosity came up and came across a number of anecdotal reports. Where people were saying that they combined those. Sr is with peraza. Tam with no problem. And i actually linked to a couple of forums where that was being discussed by people. So you're looking for something that's real safe. I would go with that. But i would encourage you to try to get off the. Sri is sr is so many different undesirable side effects. They have these long term negative side effects they the science the supports as is is increasingly increasingly. Kind of shoddy. And there's a number of studies where they'll look at. Sri is and they don't do that. Great job of outperforming placebos or outperforming more natural type alternatives. So what i would encourage you to do. If if you're not gonna like totally you know. Commit suicide if you go off your eyes for a week is i would encourage you to line up about four or five different holistic lifestyle type approaches to your bipolar depression. Things like meditation and exercise and a kito diet. And you know. Don't don't look things up on the internet. You'll find look things up on youtube. You'll find a lot of different options lineup and herbs of course herbal medicine showers. Maybe if you're up for lineup like five or six different holistic type things to address your depression and then Cut the us our eyes and start taking peraza. Tom and you can even take Quite high dosages. If you'd like and i i would. I would hope that you may be able to replace that quite that that kind of risky as sri strategy for addressing with some things that have a whole lot. More upside with a whole lot less downside. I hope you'll let me know how that works out for you. Next question was from stephen. I said hello have been following your channel for quite some time. I've actually been waiting to make my own bread of neutral picks for quite a while. Could you give me some tips. Study neuroscience university. And i am interested in tricia neuroscience relation to mental health conscious and would like to get advice from somebody knowledgeable. Cool man. yeah. I i think you should Try to do something entrepreneurial. Like if you're if you're a university student and your plan is to go and work a five for corporation for twenty five years following graduation and then retire comfortably. Well it's just it's not gonna work out that way. Our civilization is not on a trajectory where that path is going to work out. If you want to be relatively happy and successful uncomfortable in life you're going to want to do something. Entrepreneurial and there is seemingly boundless opportunity in this field health and anti-aging but my recommendation would be to. Because your your message to me did not communicate that you were in a situation where you urgently needed to make in common launch something so my recommendation would be do something original. The health anti-aging biohacking spaces is increasingly competitive and almost every day get emails from these new brands of nutro. Pex lifestyle things that people are launching. And there's just not a lot of original stuff were getting to that What is it is it the heinlein principle where it's like ninety percent of everything is crap and there's there's ten percent that's actually worth looking at. So what i would encourage you especially if you're in college or recently out of college is do something in the space but take some time. Take six months. Take your if you have to to come up with something. That's really unique. That's really interesting That's really good. And then i'll help you promote any way that i can't next question was from a bleak tease. Hey jonathan love your work. Do you have a video article on microdosing. I'm interested in it as a new tropic. If not could you direct me to the best resources on the subject i have not done a video or a thorough article on microdosing. Lsd and. here's the reason why i. I don't think it's bad. I don't really think it's it's very risky. However it is a little more risk risky. The reason i haven't spent much time or attention on microdosing. lsd is. I just don't think it offers a whole lot that the other pharmacological creativity and focus enhancing substances offer as a whole a better deal so when you look at like the extensible benefits of microdosing lsd to like happy healthy sane people. It's like well. It makes you a little bit more focused and makes you just a little bit more war creative. It will make you a little bit more relaxed and these are all these like very low level subtle benefits that it offers and all of these benefits are offered by things like the rasa towns or things like the adaptive jin's or any number of other neutral supplements that are a whole lot more proven that have hundreds of double blind clinical human trials that have really good research of it's actually done on them which are very forcible very accessible and importantly legal. Lsd is still illegal in many many places and the benefit that you're going to get from microdosing it that a stencil benefit is is you can accomplish the same thing with all these other things so a lot of people they wanna do microdosing of lsd. I think largely just because. It's kind of like edgy. Because it's like oh my gosh illegal and this'll make for good story to tell my friends but the benefit offers you the same benefits that nutro picks are much better proven to offer their whole lot more easier to get and you don't have to worry about going to jail or having a hassle of dealing with the dealing with the police or you know who knows we have the government and all these different agencies spying on us seven different ways to to sunday or smartphone or web browser and who knows how many other digital avenues do you really wanna be plugging your credit card and your bitcoin detail into a website to buy a packages of or a little packet of micro. Lsd doses win. That could be Something that Big brother remembers that you did anyways. You also asked what about a good resources. Yes you'd want to check out maps. Which is the multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies. And there's a there's a biohacking scholar that is a greater scholar than i. I'm not shy about saying so named gwen. Gorn guerin dot net and he did a really thorough epoch breakdown on microdosing lsd. So i will link to those resources on the blog article. That is below this podcast wherever you may be listening to it. Then there was another guy named supplemental eighty nine and he commented on my meta analysis. Podcast of cemex. And he said you said jonathan. This cemex increases by five hundred per cent. Is that four point one percent stuff or the one percents stuff. Well that would that would make gets a good question. I'd make quite a difference because if that's only for the one percent stuff that's kind of pricey then the point one percents stuff would only increase bef by fifty percent which is It's it's not quite as impressive. is it well. I i went. And i tracked down the study. That was being referenced by the person that made that statement and it is the point one percent stuff so so yes so again as the recommendation i gave in that podcast with c. Max unless you really want to use it to treat some tragic illness of the mind that you have in your dire straits and you want to shell out for that one percent stuff. I think you're i think you're pretty. Okay going with the the point. One percent stuff that is still benefited or that is still demonstrated tap some pretty significant effects on on stimulating the plasticity and the capacity of neuro neurogenesis of the mind. The so. you'll you'll be fine with that. I link in the podcast article to that particular paper which was called cemex. A revolutionary neuropeptide. Hey usually usually studies have more longer more longer. Put you to sleep. Titled next next question was from a dean m. hey i'm extremely new to neutral picks only recently been using pseudo choline in new pep along with some adapted jin to manage my adhd symptoms. What would be the recommended. Dose of oxytocin him. Thanks for asking oxy. Raza him is. I was diagnosed with adhd and that was certainly a big challenge in my own childhood and teenage years. And i gotta say oxy him if oxidised him works for you the way it did for me. Boy you're gonna love it. It's going to be one of the best things that you ever consumed because it is a in my experience it's not a very stimulating drug but it's a drug that gives you the discipline that being a productive member of society demands. Tansu your question. I seven hundred and fifty milligrams of oxy ratan vets. That's a pretty standard dosage. you can. You can experiment a little bit with doing a bit more of it but you're already taking some other neutral picks that are going to be stimulating. You and sue so. I think i think you're probably going to be okay. With seven hundred and fifty final question is from some named aldo varez. And he said your bids have been going pretty deep man go deep homey and addressing some very deep this truths that are ahead of their time. Just calling it now man. Are you in to jordan. Peterson i'd really like your perspective on maps of meaning. Thank you for your work. So yeah. I have followed jordan peterson and watched some of his videos on youtube. He has some really his a great capacity for war. Making these connections in between these really morbid events in history and Between these deep dark truths of human psychology. I have not read his book maps of meaning. And i think it's it's quite expensive. Isn't it last time. I checked it out on amazon. It was like sixty or seventy dollars or something like that. And i've in my experience in my experience they'll be these public intellectuals that do the follow kind of this business model a putting out a bunch of videos and podcasts on the internet where they speak really really in depth on a given topic and they do interviews with people and debates with people and they really flesh their ideas out in a public forum and then what they do. Is they come along and they write a book that synopsis sizes that book those ideas and a lot of times. We'll refine those ideas and will maybe cut some chaff away from those ideas and in the case of jordan. Peterson what i anticipate. Is that i- -ticipant that. That's what his flagship book maps of meaning is about. It's pretty rare that a public intellectual will spend half their working hours of pining publicly. And then they'll be able to write a book on top of that that covers sixty seventy eighty ninety hundred thousand words of completely brand new content. That's actually that's actually pretty rare. Usually the usually what it does. is it synopsis things. And in that situation. I just can't really justify spending another like sixty or seventy bucks and then probably another twenty five thirty hours on top of that reading a book. So what i have to know is i have taken jordan. Peterson's advice and i have purchased his his program his self authoring program and i have started doing started writing all those essays about yourself and the different chapters of your own life and it's interesting and there's a couple of things that have surprise myself which i think is part of the objective event but i have not finished it yet because it is a it is a gigantic task of writing to do all these different essays about your past experience and finish this authoring program and i experienced some type of benefits or some type of interesting life change. I will do a video that reports back on that but at this point jordan peterson is a real. I would say is intellectual influence on me. Wow i got through seven questions in just twenty four minutes. I must be on smart drugs or something like that anyways as always i look forward to a continued conversation with you. And if there's any questions here that i did not answer to the extent that you guys needed them answered or if there's people listening that would like my opinion on some real specific thing if there's a question regarding your mindset and your biohacking that you haven't been able to find good answers to just by googling the topic at a lotta times. Googling thin a lot of times people say oh you just google anything and you can find out the question to anything and boy that is not the case and a lot of situation and a lotta situations the google algorithm does not give you the information that that you need. The artificial intelligence that that google has while while powerful and while it certainly does help us to live better lives. It is no substitute for human knowledge and experience and empathy. So if if i can help you i have the limitless mindset secret society where i do twenty five minute free biohacking consultation with people that are spending a hundred bucks or more on their biohacking on there that they're investing into making themselves a bit more dangerous high performance animal and also of course available for just our the costing and i do hourly consulting with people and and it's always it's always interesting. Sometimes we cry together. Sometimes we cry together but not a lot. That's always that's always interesting when you have that level of connection isn't anyways i look forward to continue conversation with you. I said that twice. But it's my thing that i say.
Episode #4: Harnessing my inner mean girl
"What's up participation DFW host of the heartache. PODCAST with the hot take lower your commute talking about the week of January. Sixth coming off of a quiet week the week before with new years and coming back into work and this week. We had some some excitement that we're going to get into. I was in New York just getting back and had a great trip. Got To spend some time with Alex Steele on commodities edge talking about stocks hedging gas natural gas and expectations for q hugh for earnings. So if you haven't seen that check that out it's on the website and Should be going back on in late February to talk real earnings Harnessing the mean girls in me I went went to mean girls while I was in New York might be might seem a little strange for a solo dude in New York to go choose to go to the mean girls musical and and I will say that. The male female ratio was about nine to one But I was able to harness my Inner Regina George because I do get a little bit of Shit sometimes the perhaps not nice enough to management teams in. That's that's where we're going to start this week reign resources. I'm going to give them a shout out they They opt their game on the investor relations presentation side in in two thousand eighteen. So I guess two thousand Nineteen January. They were guiding capital for twenty nineteen. The press release was maybe four lines and it said we will spend seven hundred twenty million nine dollars this year and a fresh lease so not a lot not a lot of information there when you're trying to tell your investors why you should be drilling gas when it's two dollars and and fifteen cents an MCSE so we're gonNA start with my anti mean girl. Call out of the week to range resources. Well done good improvement on your press. Release he talked about your Capex this year compared to last year you talked about hedging you talked about Production expectations and you went into your smog year end valuation a number of Putz. I mean if I could come up with a template for all the other people out there all the other companies that want to issue their q four four and two thousand twenty guidance looked arrange. I'll give you shut up now in fairness range is producing gas and gases two dollars and fifty cents offense and it's very hard to be bullish on that next week. We're going to have Chris callen on the show to walk us through the countinent ventures acquisition of the Devon Barnett gas asset. So really excited about that. I think he can give some A different perspective on what natural gas is coming so Tune in for that but range also came out this week with a dead offering to refinance a mold that and because of them being natural gas but also a relatively high leverage each player their interest rate looks to be about nine and a half percent for the five hundred million notes. They've come out with now. Compare that to another company that came out this week. They'll leap E. X.. Who with the Felix transactions paying nine hundred million in cash plus some stock by Felix W was able to get their deal done or at least guiding into four and a half percent? And I think that. That's a really key thing. Is We think about mergers and acquisitions in two thousand twenty range trying to refinance debt with a bad balance sheet and they're coming coming in at nine and a half percent so while the press release was informative and certainly there smog. Valuation looks attractive to me. The leverage is a problem and the commodity is a problem album on the other hand you have w PX who you know in Q.. Three guided that they had probably not enough inventory in the box to keep them going they came out bought Felix. Six added a huge amount of inventory in Delaware cutting. GNA daleks really accretive. And then they were able to get a deal done so I think that this is again like like we talked about on the podcast last week with Cowan correze. Oh that's not an indication that it was a bad that the deals can't get done. That was a bad deal to do on the other hand. PD CNS RC. Was a good deal to do because they overlapped entirely consolidates. GNA So we're seeing these differences and so while we're on the subject of Gina. Lena Surrey Emini. Gina is also part of emanate. And we're GONNA talk about that with Apache oxy coming up a little bit later in the show but mentioned in. PVC and SRC deal closes next week. January fourteenth that company will go from two to one and like in all manet the best way to save money money is to cut headcount. It's an unfortunate byproduct of the state of the industry right now but in order to have cash flow. You're basically cutting heads to generate capital to drill wells and drill your returns. And that's the only way to go speaking of acquisitions closing on Friday January tenth breath jagged peak was formally acquired by partially energy and they will be transitioning some of their staff to partially in Austin and and obviously terminating some other positions so for Denver itself to you know in independent medium small size. EMP's gone consolidated one to Austin with Parsley and one to PD which is already in Denver. So look for debt and more MEA. I think we're going to see some amendment this week. I say that every week but I do think we're going to have some fun on merger Monday. Let's talk headcount reduction. So news this week oxy He moved from a voluntary retirement program into an involuntary separation program. An Apache announced that they'll be closing their office in San Antonio on March sixth so again a lot of jobs impacted in the Houston San Antonio area Sign of the Times. We're able to do more with less in terms of detecting. We have the skills we have. Plus we are not ramping up. The industry is seven hundred horizontal rigs right now. I think we're GONNA Hennessy. Six hundred and twenty at some time in calendar twenty twenty the completion paces down from where we were at the beginning of last year And I would expect for the rest of the year are probably around. Eleven hundred fifty oily completions a month and about a hundred to one hundred and fifty gas completions. But the real driver on the rig count that I talked. What about dropping to six twenty is if you look at the Hanes from the Marcellus is two of the key drivers of natural gas and you look at two dollars and fifteen cents in the dead of winter? What happens when we come into spring and shoulder season? I mean you have to think at this point. The gas is going to be trading from one to one fifty and if you do an overlay we're back to to the same price environment that we were in two thousand sixteen and in two thousand sixteen. There were eleven. Hanes Ville rigs running and twenty-one Marcellus rigs running which would be about vowed fifty below where we are today then take that plus consolidation. So we've seen partially take jagged we've seen SEM PDC merge we've seen oxy take Anadarko uh-huh and in all those cases that's resulted in consolidation activity and a lowering of rig count. So if we see another ten or fifteen deals this year which I expect that we will. I expect that the rest of the rig attrition will come from not drilling less core assets in the combined company and we're going to see that ramp down especially if we see some mergers coming out here in Q.. One so that kinda catches up on the big news of the week some debt some Mea some layoffs closing on the layoffs. That's always you know I'd take zero joy in reporting that jobs. Jobs are being lost. But as I said that is the unfortunate side effect of the crisis balance sheets and the inability to ramp up and the demand of investors for their cash back and since we can't raise equity if you can cut fifty million dollars. GNA for ten million dollar while he gets a drill five wells which should have an Roi of too so you can turn fifty million into one hundred million which turns into a boring base and you get a little bit more runway. So that's what companies are doing in oxy's case in particular. They didn't have enough voluntary retirements. And quite honestly I'm happy that they're forcing retirements. Because you know again into those who who were caught up in this You know perhaps you can Send some comments and tell me I'm full of Shit but some people probably we weren't the right cultural fit and hopefully these Layoffs are going to improve the remaining company That's all we can hope for and on the Apache side. It's always disappointing to see an entire office get close. That's GONNA IMPACT San Antonio Lot but the reality is Apache. Surprised is the market tremendously in the last week or two with both the. JV that they did with hotel and then the results they have on the Suriname well that releases some capital that they can access success for their US onshore development or for Egyptian development and to me given their smog and we talk about this a lot there smog net net of debt negative three years. GNA An interest to me Apaches at ten dollar stock. They're trading thirty two if I'm sitting in B. D. out of patchy I have a strong relative value equity and I'm using that equity to by someone in the Permian Basin to grow my inventory. Move Me Away from the Alpine high until gas prices. Come back in the next two or three years. Maybe and give me some inventory that I can use my equity to really bolster the value of my company to reduce my leverage and get access to the capital markets. So I have a patchy is one of the number one acquirers. I think they're going to be I. I so that's that's that's my heartache. For this week thank you for joining us on the heartache. Over your commute podcast I am David. Ramstein would check us out on the web. WWW dot heartache of the day dot com where you can find archive editions and check me out with my book. What is wrong with everybody else? What they didn't teach you in business school available now on Amazon? Thanks for joining beep. Good be safe and have a great week mm-hmm mm-hmm.
EP124: The Budget Mom, Kumiko Love
"I'm a proud first generation Tony's American working mom to an amazing one and a half year old boy. Was One situation with sugar because the the Mama I'm Catherine, Young. Hey everybody, welcome back to the Miraculous Mama's podcast I'm your host. Elizabeth Joy, and we believe in empowering women through storytelling and education and I'm so glad that you are here today. For today's podcast, we have on the budget. Mom, we have Miko love on in. She is going to talk to us about how she. Man are deter story. She became the budget mom how she got out of debt and how she helps moms. Get Out of debt and live the life that you love on a budget and. How to plan for your future and for? Things that you want to be able to do with your family. She's just so knowledgeable and so fun to talk to, so we are super excited to have her on before we get into it. I told you guys that I'm going to be going over. Some some segments. As I'm preparing. For my birth and my birth plan and everything like that. I wanted to keep you guys in the conversation 'cause. There's a lot of things I'm realizing that we have not talked about on here. Some super excited. In the next couple of months, we're going to be talking to. Prenatal chiropractor and acupuncturist an acupressure. Specialist going to be talking to a placenta encapsulated. Some people about breastfeeding we are talking about cloth diapering. We're talking about so many things that. We haven't talked about on here and it would just. It's like good knowledge just to have oh the public for talking to a pelvic floor therapist. And it's just great to. Learn this information because there's so much that. I've learned along the way and I know so. Many of you are in the same. Boat and I've been doing. Therapy and going to a chiropractor. Since about twenty. Five weeks of pregnancy so I thought it'd be a lot of fun to. Include you guys in why that's beneficial how it can help you. What these specialists are doing how it could affect your pregnancy. Your labor postpartum anything like that. In like I said just things on the birth plan. We're GONNA. Be talking about delayed cord clamping skin-to-skin. All of that good stuff today before the interview get started I wanted to talk to you about very sexy, subject called group B. Strep or streptococcus streptococcus. STREP THOUGH I I'm not pronouncing it right, but you guys. STREPTOCOCCUS YEAH! So everyone in PREGNANC- in the United States, it is standard practice. For everyone to get tested in a lot of other countries, it is not I know in the UK. It's not, but people are fighting for to be because it's. Scary if it's something that your baby does, get so here. Everyone will get tested stayed usually between thirty five and thirty seven weeks, and what it is. It's a bacteria that lives in the body. And, it usually does not cause a serious illness. It's not an S.. T. S. T. I. and it's. Usually found in your vagina or your rectum? So that means that. Since it can colonize in the vagina that it can pass from a pregnant woman to her fetus during Labor which is rare happens about. To every one or two babies out of one hundred. When a mother does not receive antibiotics during Labor. So. We're just going to chat about this for a minute. So about ten to thirty percent of pregnant women are colonized. With STREP BE, and we'll test positive, but out of the ten to thirty percent of women. They either strep pot like they could be positive temporarily on an off or persistently. Bacteria and everyone can kind of even if you test positive at your thirty five week, appointment doesn't mean that you're going to be positive during Labor. There's people who struggle with it persistently, and it can cause ut infections and all sorts of other stuff. But. Some people have it on and off or it's just temporary case that goes away. So. Being colonized. You're going to get an infection. A lot of people carry it in. Do not receiving infection. And So they started treating everybody who tested positive for jeep GPS GPS. Like. In the nineties they didn't and the cases were a lot higher because the problem is if you're a baby. Does get an infection. If you are GPS positive, and your baby is getting an infection. It can lead to serious illness such as meningitis, pneumonia or SEPSIS. So it is a serious thing if You really are positive, and if it is passed on to your baby, so they started treating GPS positive people. Pregnant, women In the ninety s about one point, seven cases per thousand births. Had, a serious illness, and once they started treating people, it went down two point two five per thousand births, so it was a significant decrease when they started treating everyone with antibiotics. WHO TESTED GPS positive? Now though and they've shown studies have shown, and I'm going to link all of this information for you. The in Labor, the rapid test is much more effective and not every place is doing that now, but that's definitely something to talk to your provider about is that even if you test positive at your thirty five thirty seven week if you can do a in labor, rapid test as well They Excuse me. Another thing that they've shown that has happened, is that. In. Cases where. You're positive and they. If you're positive, they're going to do. IV antibiotics in those cases there's been several studies in seven out of eight studies have showed the IV. Antibiotics affect the baby's Gut microbiome short term so anywhere from four to eight weeks with some more serious cases between six months in a year. And it was even higher in babies who weren't breastfed so that we can have negative effects. The air, the antibiotics can have some negative effects for the baby shown to be short term also. If you're receiving antibiotics, you have a risk of yeast infection, you end the baby both your risk of infection goes up. Which for babies? It's called Thrush sydell usually in their mouth, and for you, it'd be on your breast Antibiotics can do that. But you can also ask. I know being hooked up to an IV. If that's not part of your plan, you're positive doesn't sound fun. You can ask to have a HEP. Lock or a saline lock, and they just administer antibiotics every four hours, and then they can unhook you, so you can move around. So there's some really good news though. About the GPS if you are positive. If, you're GBS. Positive probiotics have shown to. Decrease. The GPS positive group so there was a study in Taiwan. Where they took everyone who? Had tested positive for group B. and they had a placebo group and the regular group and the Placebo Group they gave. Obviously a placebo pill to the other group. They gave antibiotics, too, and the group that are sorry, not antibiotics probiotics. They gave probiotics to the other group and they saw in the group who took probiotics within three weeks. Forty three percent of them tested negative so almost fifty percent of the people who took probiotics within three weeks tested. Negative and probiotics are also shown to. Decrease East infections. If you have a yeast infection, taking a good probiotic is really important and. Affecting, your babies gut microbiome. probiotics are really really good for that so if you're taking probiotics throughout your pregnancy. Your baby is getting. Some of that and you're helping develop that really good gut microbiome so then if you do have to have. Antibiotics if you are GBS positive. Your baby kind of has a little bit of a Head Start and by U, continuing to take them and breastfeeding that will help as well so although GBS can sound super. Scary. It's. They I mean. Not a lot of babies get a serious illness from especially, if treated with antibiotics, and then the probiotics are really great to. To combat the negative effects from the antibiotics, what was really cool in the study in Taiwan as well is that they took? Group B. Strep and put it in a petri dish with vaginal lactobacillus, which was probiotics and they saw that when they combined it. That the group B. Strep couldn't call didn't colonize as quickly or didn't call nines at all. So probiotics have a really positive impact on that. And I've been taking probiotics throughout. My whole pregnancy. In a little bit later I'm also going to talk about. One of my favorite products, which is. From the company, Global Healing and probiotics are super cost effective in absolutely amazing in the company's awesome, and there's a great discount for you guys if you want to check it out as well. So a lot about group B. Strep. Studying all of this I honestly. Didn't know about. Before all I knew is if you tested positive that you got innovates, and it can sound really intimidating scary, but. It's definitely something to have a conversation with your provider. About what if you do test positive are your options? Can you do a rapid test? If you're planning to take anything new such as a probiotic. Always check with your. Provider I. And talk to them about any other possibilities that. Or treatments that they recommend or that are out there for you. I know that this conversation about Groupie Strep as than so much fun and I guess that varies EXC-. But I I think it's important to have these conversations because a lot of people that I've talked to in pregnancy of just pinto, your positive. You GotTa get on antibiotics when you're in labor and that's it. There's like no other conversation or information there so. I think it's good just to be informed and educated, so you can go to your provider with questions and feel in quipped and empowered throughout your experience. We are going to take a quick break so I can talk to you about my favorite probiotic, which I was talking about in the Intro with gut health, and it is by global healing, which is a family owned and operated business since nineteen ninety eight. Are Vegan GMO, free gluten, friendly, ethically source packaged with recycled glass bottles and manufactured in one of the ECO friendliest facilities in the industry The ingredients have been trusted for decades for purity and potency with no binders, fillers or toxic compounds, which is so important. The probiotic I'm currently taking is lateral flora, and it is amazing. Help strengthen your gut supports your digestive system boost the immune system and. I have definitely seen a difference You guys can definitely check it out on their website. 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We also know the importance of taking vitamin. D They have son. treks d three which helps boost your immunity. And all of their products are so amazing. And right now as a new customer, you will receive fifteen percents off your order when you use code Mama's at checkout, just go to global healing dot com slash mamas and enter Code Mama's at checkout for fifteen percent off your first order. Products are backed by their year to love it. Guarantee love it, or you can send your bottle back empty or full for one hundred percent refund in the always offer free shipping in the US, and Canada, now back to the show. Well, I'M GONNA. Go get me go on now. We're going to talk about money like I said she's super awesome and I'm really excited that. She is here for this episode so I'm going to go ahead and start the interview. Hey, everyone. I Have Miko love here. You guys know her as the budget. Mom and she is teaching people to live a life that you love on a budget that you can afford, so I think we all have some very valuable lessons to learn here today, so thank you so much. Go for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. I'd love for you to tell us. How did you become the budget? MOM, so the budget volume was really born out of my frustration and hardships with financial management. It was really born from my journey on learning how to budget my money and pay off debt but it was also a a learning journey so I actually created my first blog post for the budget. Mom just because I was going through the credited financial counseling designation and I. I was learning all this amazing stuff that I felt I needed to share with the world it. It really became a mission for me to help other single moms like Iwa, who was struggling financially and learning how to budget and save and pay off debt I think one of the main questions that went through my mind when I initially started the budget. Mom and even today is you know if there is one other thing on who felt? And feels like I. Did when I was struggling financially. If I could just help them, budget, mom and that's really where the budget mob started. Yeah and I know like a lot of people. Do feel that frustration because. I mean the majority of people have some sort of financial struggles, and it's so hard finding. A balance especially when you add like kids into the picture Sino like I'm about ready to have my first kid, and it's such a different mentality thinking okay like I pay my bills I can take care of myself, but then there's this baby coming into the world and I'm like Oh snap I like I. Like, take care of another human being and make sure that. We have some sort of financial preparedness for that situation. Yeah. It's funny because something happens to us when we become moms. We actually do a shift. We go from being selfish under. Who Self with unders? No in my circumstances, like before I had my son. I spent money on myself I. Spend money on myself to make myself healthy. Happy I spent money on myself. Remind meet. And then all the sudden. At least for me when I had my son and They become literally your entire world. It's like there's overwhelming I experience of responsibility. It's like that realization that. Is the human. Depends on you entirely and completely, and that can be a really overwhelming and a release, scary feeling, but for me it really was a motivational type factor in my life, and so yeah, we really do that shift where because someone else's needs and want are more important than our own. Our Shit. Our spending shift with that Yeah I mean that makes total sense. I I would love to know so. A lot of people come to for advice mostly MOMS. What is the biggest question that you get out? Do I start okay I think that's the biggest question that I get because. What happens? Is when you go online, and this is exactly what I experienced. And you try to find resources on how to be better your money. You are automatically fool. I did with all different types, not just information, but all different types of advice, all different types of information. You find yourself getting pulled in ten thousand different directions. And it's like okay well. Not only is learning all about your finances and what you have going on financially, and your life is overwhelming, but what to do with that information is overwhelming so the number. One question I get is Miko I. don't even know where to start. And I think that's a really great question that we get and I'm actually really glad that our number one question because it's the starting point, it's that I Beth you make to managing your finances. That's really really critical. Like just Stephen. Would you say like the desire to want to take that step why the realization that? A self realization that okay. I know air to be a change here. That's a really great step, but also when you're in that moment, and I know that they're coming to me for a reason. They're coming to me because they know there needs to be changed, but it also brings up my number one. F and financial advice, and that's discovering your y and purpose on this journey. It's it's. Realizing, okay I'm here and searching out this information I'm reaching out to someone because I need help. But the deeper question becomes will why. Am I speaking this information. There's a deeper meaning behind that. It's not just I WANNA get better with my finances. The reason you want to get better with your finances and I really challenged my readers to question that and embrace that. Yeah! We're GONNA take a quick break to talk about the stresses of becoming a new parent. 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That's really significant. It ties are emotions. And what we're feeling into our financial journey. And I'm a little bit different in the finance expert world that says you know, leave emotions out of it. Emotions should not be tied to your finances because it leads to some bigger problem I'm the opposite. I believe that emotion should be truly and fully embraced on this journey, and there's a couple of different factors into that, but one of them is emotion really. It really does I think drive so much of our spending decisions and the way that we manage our money, and it's not until we can truly embrace, understand and internalise our emotion that we can move forward with our financial decisions. Yeah. That makes sense I remember. I I'm certified life coach, and like part of that you do talk about like finances, and so many people have so many emotional blocks when it comes to money and it a lot of it if you keep digging. Comes down to their worth and their value in what they believe about themselves. Some of they believe about their lives and and kind of like stripping away old lies that you've been telling yourself so. Like what you're just describing brought that up for me, so I feel like. That does make perfect sense to have your emotions tied into it because it. Everyone has some sort of emotion when it comes to money. Right? So it's I, mean it's definitely he that's so. That's so crazy. So you talk a lot about like financial freedom. What is that? Financial Freedom. It's funny because it's kind of the blanket term in the financial world, but really it's very very personal. What financial mean freedom means to everybody is different. it has a lot to do with your financial values. it's it's part of that question What does money mean to me? Why is it important to me? That's GonNa lay an answering that question on these honestly is going to lay the foundation of your financial values, and eventually financial values are going to tell you what financial freedom looks like in your life. Well financial. Freedom for me and the reason. Why on my journey to give an example is? Wanting to Steve Opportunities with my son without relying on debt. When I envisioned my life and I think about my future. That is what financial freedom to me. It's the freedom of having choices options. and but I am sure that if you were to ask everyone else, financial freedom means to them. They're all GONNA. Give you different answers in that really does come back to our personal financial values. Yeah when you talk about like personal financial values, do you? Do you like break them down into categories or I? Guess, how do you? Find what someone's financial values are. All financial value is tied to many different things is how we were brought up. It's how the things that we learn about money. How we perceive money in the value and worth of things, or meave, you know. My financial values can really be described in three or four words so it the Curie. It's peace of mind. and. It's freedom. and I really think that when people are thinking about their financial values and really. Asking them that, so there's no question of what does money mean to me? And why is it important? I always challenge my readers to sit down with a piece of paper and start jotting down words that come to mind when they think about financial values or what money means to them. And all of a sudden you'll start to see people come up with a whole bunch of term. and then from there. It's really diving into what what each one of those words means to you, so I don't think it's necessarily categorizing It might just be a word at represents your financial value that then gets broken down into many different things. Yeah I'm going to have to do that later. I just wrote down. I'm like what does money mean to me now? I'm super curious. To dig down to it. Yeah, yeah, it's funny because. When we start these financial journeys. Or a debt payoff journey or a savings journey a lot of time. We're consumed with the numbers. we're thinking about okay. How much debt can I pay off this month? Right you're thinking about numbers. When really the purpose of our journeys isn't about how much debt you can pay off in the short amount of time or how much money you can save, it really comes down to a self discovery journey, and I'll be the first to admit. I learned more about myself. On my financial journey than I did in any other time in my life. It's because you are four. Ask yourself those hard questions. You have to learn and understand in love yourselves for there to be not just changed, but lasting change follows you into the future. Yeah. that makes that makes total sense all right. We're GONNA. Take a quick break, so I can tell you about Wayne. 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Mamas and I would love to hear what your favorite product is. Ny Now, let's get back to the show. Like I said like I feel like so many people have. A lot of there is a lot of emotion around money so like digging into that and finding your values I feel like you. You'd have to learn to love yourself and half to. You would just learn more about yourself. Because whether you like it or not like. Money is a huge part of our life. So that's how we live. We can't live in this country without it, so there's a need for it. But then it's so many people are bound by it and in financial debt. So. I'm yeah. I'm super I'm super. Curious to dig into like what money does mean to me like open that portal? You know not only in you don't. Money, I think money is is so much for so many people, but it really comes down to I know I discovered a new level of contentment. Ingratitude in my life when I started really. Digging into those hard questions i. You know it took me almost three years to say out loud. I'm spending my money carelessly in the wrong way because I don't love myself. I don't like the way that I look and I'm not comfortable in my own skin. And saying that out loud now may seem like a really easy thing to do, but it was extremely hard for to admit that to myself. No one wants to come out and say I. Don't Love Myself I. Don't like the way I look. I don't like these certain things about myself and for me, my spending I was overcompensating for those negative internal feelings I was out blowing my money on clothes and tanning salons in getting my nails done and getting my hair done to look a certain way. When, still on the inside, I was still screaming. I was so broken. And that's what I'm saying to make lasting change. You have to fix what's broken on the inside. As well. Yeah Yeah. I I love how you said that because I feel like. I. I don't again like money's just tied to so much, and you don't think about it. Right, you don't think. That you need money to fill those things like subconsciously you dukes. That's what you're. That's where you're putting it into great Yeah man, that's good stuff. So I was reading so I back in the day, so I worked in the service industry for a really long time, so I'd make cash tips. And, it always divide my cash into envelopes and would budget my money that way, but I haven't made I mean I. Definitely. Miss Making those cash tips I. Don't make them anymore so I use a credit card, but my husband and I have talked a lot about doing the cash again because we're trying to. Just budget in certain areas of our life, but my hesitancy is like. I think I said that word wrong has has the ten. Where I'm hesitant. Like I like the credit card points because we get rewards with them, and but I know that we would save money. The cash slopes. So how what would you say to someone like me so there? That's the question of trade off. So of course now I'm also very different I. Don't think credit cards are bad. I think that if you can use them responsibly and pay them off every month and get those rewards, points go at it, but you better make sure no yourself and be honest with yourself that you're actually going to pay them off, that said. there. There's trade off. You know. You'RE GONNA save more money if you use cash. but the trade off is you're GONNA have to get rid of the rewards points that you're currently getting by using your credit card. So it's a matter of looking at what's going to save you more. Are you going to save more by getting the rewards points, or are you going to save more by not? Spending on your credit card and only going back to being an all cash spender. And you have to be okay with those trade offs. I think to it comes down to. have it. A lot of the time I see people who do use their credit card responsibly and all of a sudden they make huge financial shift where they go from swiping a card, which is a? It's a daily habit that's not recognized, but it is a habit and then they can go to being an all cash bender, raking not chain, and and breaking not have it and making that huge financial shift in your finances to might be hard to some. so you have to think about okay in the tradeoff were. Me Breaking this habit and going into. In developing a new one essentially. Yeah. No that makes sense. Yeah, I I mean I'd have to look into it but I. I feel like that's. Good Advice. There yeah I would see how many rewards points. What exactly are you getting a using your credit card every month? Like you are now right versus. Maybe you do a trial run. Maybe you go back to an cast bender for a couple of months. What was your progress and then compare the two? has to be something that something. That's visible in realistic in our lives, I think that once you really pinpoint those rewards and those benefits versus the trade off they answer is going to be really clear Yeah, well, that kind of leads me to my next question because. My husband says I spend too much on groceries. which is a really common I? Mean everybody I talked to all. That's a conversation in my house. Every single week is you spend too much on groceries and I? Really Value Health and eating healthy food, and it's really important to me, and so we've talked about like maybe I, just go back to the cash envelopes for groceries and budget that way because that's where that's where our budget is lake. A, little out of control. But. How do you like I know the groceries? It's such a big thing for so many people. So how do you like? How have that conversation with people when they're asking you about their grocery budget, the funny thing about the grocery budget I call it the silent killer finances. because. It is number one problem area for a lot of different families, a lot of different individuals the reason is is because we view food as a necessity right. It's a necessity for us to live with that though it quickly turns into you want I. Don't know if you've ever been at the store and you're like you. Catch yourself throwing random stuff here cart. All the fun shifts from being in assessing into a want. and for you going back to your cash envelope and only doing one category in your budget i. think that's fantastic. That's a great starting point. It's a great way for you to test the water. What happened to your food budget when you went back to cash, would there noticeable change? Did you ask yourself harder questions, or did you become aware of? Maybe some spending triggers that you weren't aware of when you were using your credit card. i. also think that when you are health conscious. I think that. Being able to. Decrease. Other areas of your life to incorporate that being a passion of yours. But. There has to be competent There has to be some type of compensating in your budget, right. So and and not only that there have to be even if you are health conscious, there has to be a limit. To what you're allowed to spend or what? You can realistically spend your budget every single month, I would start if if you're coming to me and ask me that question I would start using a cash envelope. Crema budget with what you're realistically spending today. And then next month if you stick to that by the challenge yourself to decrease that budget by fifty dollars. Do it in really small increment. Because the last thing that I want people to do is create these you know. Big Huge giant giant ormuz goals, and then not meet them because the goal that they set up ins begin with wasn't realistic. and that's a lot of the time while why financial gold can be really frustrating and can feel really defeating is because we're setting ourselves up to fail from the very beginning. So, that's why I talk about small increment changes to our food budget, I always recommend a cash envelope for your food budget as well as meal planning on I know for a lot of my health, conscious readers meal, prepping and meal planning where they can buy things in bulk really helps them a lot with their with their food limit and their food budget that they are spending, but there's many many different things from you know different options for buying organic scrum generic to big box brands on. There are a lot of things that even being health conscious can still save you money. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I know it's. It's definitely one of those things, but. Again from going like from making good money and being single like I used to only shop it like whole foods and now. Like, I switched job industries and don't make as much money as they used to. And feeding a grown man is like feeding four teenagers. I. Don't know what this guy. So much so my grocery budget like you know and I still feel like I'm trying to find that balance because. There's the way I'm used to eating and obviously like I want to take care of my family and I want him to be healthy. I WANT WANNA. Buy Healthy things, and just like even learning what for as important to buy organic and what I don't have to, and what you still just kind of. Like some stores like I used to only go to certain stores, and I just realized like. I was actually during this Whole, pandemic thing I was ordering groceries online at a grocery store and I filled out the cart, and then they said that it wouldn't be delivered for like two weeks, and so I filled out the exact same items in another car at another grocery store, and it was twenty dollars cheaper and I always meant that this other grocery store was more expensive than the other one for some reason and I was like holy crap, so I ended up doing that with like three or four different stores just to compare. And, I'm like these prices vary so much, but it's a lot of work to put in to like drive to the store for that thing and that store for the other thing you know. Yeah, it is yeah, and that's. That's a really great first step though is the cell. Is The price comparing in in kind of breaking our our mindset of? Breaking that Shell of Oh? I thought that store was cheaper, but it's actually not, and that's why and I always tell my readers Dupree's comparisons before shopping. At that time they can really make. The decision is of is my time more valuable than the money I'm actually going to save because like you said, running around to eight different stores and spending all afternoon, trying to pick up all the groceries, but you need for one grocery hall. That can be really time consuming as well. Yeah Yeah for sure. Yeah, I know I need to I'm that said I have to go back to cash for groceries. We are going to take a quick break to talk about how it has been a year y'all it has been such a crazy year and I'm so glad that it's summer, and it's a little bit warmer outside, and the weather's a little better, but. I feel like so many people have gone through so much this year and there is. A resource that can help if you WANNA talk to anybody, it is safe private in an online environment. It's so convenient you can start communicating with someone and under twenty four hours, and that is better help better help. We'll assess your needs. 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You know because this kid got like they always spend that on your kid or whatever so how do you? I guess? Mentally. Tell yourself that it's okay if going to take time especially as MOMS especially when it comes to our children, but learning to say no or learning to say you know what. I'm on a different part of my journey than he is. But let's keep in mind here. We, don't know if your friend and how they paid for that item. We don't know if he's out racking up his credit card. get that fifty dollar gift, or whether he did it and paid cash. We don't know what happens behind closed doors. Which is why so important that we don't compare? It's a matter of being proud of what you're doing with your finances to be able to tell yourself you know what? I'm no I can't afford this. And I refused to go into debt or put my finances in jeopardy do that. You have to be confident in. Have that confidence in the progress. You're making with your finances and be really proud of that and I think once you get to that point and you embrace that it makes it a lot a lot easier. Now. I struggle with this as a mom. And I did the thing not with presence, but I saw other moms providing their children's certain things. Right either expensive vacations or really nice clothes, or you know really like top brand, mean close or whatever it may be I found myself. I'm not doing that. I can't do that. But it was really they show up. It doesn't make me any less of a mom. Yeah. It just means I'm I'm on a different on a different step in my journey. And and I have to embrace the work. I have to do to get to where I want to go to provide the life, I want with my child. And I think you really have to get to that state. Yeah. yeah, I feel like it's so hard though because. I was introduced more to it. my husband comes from a big Italian family, and that's like a big thing to them like if somebody gives you like a birthday card for your kid with this much in it, you give that exact same amount back and I. Always have those conversations with him because we're. We're having a kid and we don't make tons of money, and we're revamping remodeling our house right now and and I'm like. We can't afford to give every single cousin in your family. This much money like that's ridiculous like to me. It's ridiculous, but to him. It's what you have to do, and it's like it's not breaking the bank, but at the same time. I'm like I don't get it. Right right. Well, I think too. When especially when that's a really interesting dynamic, because you know, you are thinking and feeling this way while you're hugging. It's what it's not only what he feels what it's what he knows right what they've always done in his family and I think at that time. It's a great opportunity to start the conversation of. Hey, you know this is how I'm feeling about that, I. I understand it's what you've always done, but these are my ceiling. Can we find some type of middle ground? There some type of middle ground where we can find where your happy and I'm happy, but it really comes down to. What can you realistically afford? Yeah. And what are you giving up in the future to spend that money now? And it has those questions has to be at answered during that conversation. Look if we spend. And what I would do I would literally list out every single birthday hall every single birthday I had to celebrate in the money that. You know an estimate of what I would have to give and I. would say look if we're spending this every year in birthday money. This is what we're giving up to do that. Are we okay with that. Yeah. No that makes sense. and and kind of leading into the next thing, then like saving up for large purchases so right at the end of the year. That could be like. For me I like experiences, so my husband's like. Do you want to push president? I'm like. Do Something Nice for me like. I I would rather for my birthday have him take me out for a nice dinner. Then by anything or just plan something awful. It doesn't even have to like. Costs Money, but but you do realize like spending these. Little things along the way. Add up so how I guess, do you? Okay we are. Barely, getting by, or we're getting by like we live comfortably. But how do we save up for the large purchases like vacations or Christmas or whatever the family considers like? A big event that they're going to put money like for me I guess a baby shower is coming up right and. So like how do you? Save toward those things when especially when you're trying to budget everything else in your life, so the biggest one of the biggest Aha moments for me on my financial journey was incorporating sinking fund into my budget. Now! Thinking funds are financial goals that we want to obtain in the future. Are, really hard to hey for the entire whatever it may be up front with one paycheck. The what we do is we set aside a little bit every single month. Towards that goal or that event or that holiday Christmas is the perfect example. Christmas is. Is that time of year where people are using and going into debt like no other time in the year it's insane. But what? They don't realize that if they would have started saving for Christmas in January. A little bit every month. That would have helped him tremendously by the time Christmas actually rolled around. They wanted to start buying guest. Christians have been thinking fun for me since I started my financial journey and learn about thinking funds and I'll tell you what it was a life changer. It was A. Huge for me, because. That stress anxiety and worry that we feel. Dot those emotions take away so much of what the holiday event is all about right like Christmas it's such a joyous time of the year where we're supposed to be celebrating and being with their friends and our family and doing all the Christmas traditions and everything that Christmas encompasses. But what happens a lot of time is that's over. Shouted shadowed by our feelings of guilt. Our feelings of stress thinking. Oh my Gosh, how am I GONNA? Pay Off that I just bought. With thinking funds, it's peace of mind. And truly being able to embrace those things in our lives without having to worry about money, though I always say for things like that created thinking fun, come up with the goal amount that you want to save for divided by the number of months you WanNa save that that aside a bit every month. Look at your at your budget. Can you realistically do that or do? You have to Kinda decrease that goal a little bit. But either way you're taking on Angel- steps to be prepared for the future Yeah? That makes total sense whenever we have extra money. I'm always like. Put it toward a vacation and my husband's like invest it. So which I'm really really glad so he he's much more of the I mean. I've always been decent with my money. But I've been really big on like. I'm not a fan of debt and like living debt free. And stuff like that, but. But especially like being single throughout my twenty s whenever I had money. Like I'm going to go travel I'm going to go. Do whatever I want right? and. My husband's very like financially plan for the future like he adjusts our budget so that. We invest a lot monthly. So that, basically, there's like nothing left rate which I'm thankful for example like cool. We'll be able to retire, but then I'm also like we could be dead. Why don't we go on vacation? Thankful for his planning, but I'm like the. Let's take a trade. League. Sorry Oh, that's okay. Toby Okay where House Dog. You can edit that out I absolutely Kellyanne yeah. But yeah, I'm like blood's take a trip. You know so like. How do you I guess? Find those balances in? If it's you know in your family. Because I think for me. I guess like I think it is important to invest in. Have something in your future. But it's also like I said I really value experiences, so it's important for me to experience life together. That's like. I. Don't know what what I love is like experiencing life with people and doing things and experiencing new things. So how do you like? Balanced fat there has. There has to definitely be balanced. There has to be balanced between. Freedom in your life and the ability to still do the things that bring you happiness because if we were always always just about, save save debt that. Build, wealth, build wealth. What I found and what happened to me on my journey, when especially when paying that as we forget all the things that truly bring us joy and happiness in our lives, and then all of a sudden we forget. Why are we even on this journey in the first place? So there has to be balanced. It's great that your husband wants to invest invest, and and really build this generational well, but at the same time. It's great because you are saying you know what life can be gone by tomorrow. I WANNA. Make sure that we take the opportunity to fully enjoy those moments and opportunities in our lives. I think that's the conversation that needs to be. Be between you and your husband of where is that balance for us? Okay? Can we maybe invest? You know sixty percent. The other percent is invested in. You know our lives and the things that we enjoy doing and really experiencing the short life we have now. There definitely has to be some type of balance between that and our and our financial journeys. Yeah Yeah for sure. So another thing that we've. Had A. Lot of conversations with and I've heard from like moms and our facebook to is. Like how to save money when you're having a baby, because everyone says. They cost a lot more than you think that they do Budgeting for what you really need because I've already noticed. That 'cause we got a lot of hand-me-downs, which I'm so grateful for. His. Brother and sister both live here and they saved some stuff for us, so we were able to get a lot of stuff from them. Which is awesome? I'm a huge fan of of hammy downs. But I'm already noticing. It's so much stuff I'm like this baby isn't even born yet, and we have so much stuff like how and it's not even everything that we quote unquote need yet, so it's like how do you? figure out even what you really need and budget for that. And try to save money having a baby, so what I did when I I was in the same boat, I have only one son, so he was my first child. I had no idea what I was doing. The on it I have no idea I'm and it was at the same time that I was still learning how to budget my money. What I did is I sat down and wrote a West look I know, I know we're not even talking about once I'm talking about this. I know I need. I need these things okay I'm I'm GonNa Need Formula I'm GonNa need diapers. I'M GONNA need. You know this this and this myth and and those needs to are very different based on the individual. You're talking to because some people say I need cloth diapers. Where some people say no. I just need some pampers. So think too that it it comes down to. What you not. It comes down to what because there's different things in different directions even go with the things that you need. But ultimately it's a matter of just sitting down listing out, and you know what I did. I actually went onto stores website. And I'm like okay. A box of diapers me this. And I'm researching and I'm reading that I'm probably going to need to boxes a month for this. Especially, when my son was a newborn I would factor that in and the great thing is as people get so scared away from doing their budget because they don't know I don't like I. Don't know what it's going to be. This is just what I'm estimating. So, what's the point of even doing it? But the great thing is having that starting point in the beginning. You could always tweak and change your budget as you go along the more that you learn about. What you know, what having a baby entails, but I think it's really that starting point of just doing the research sitting down and talking with your spouse or your partner or figuring out what exactly is it that I need and go from there? Yeah. Yeah I. Guess Yeah, even factoring in that those monthly cost that. You don't even really think about right, and it's not it's. It's you know not only the the monthly thing, but you have to start thinking okay about medical insurance Right there's new new baby on board and we're going to have to get medical insurance and we're going to have to get dental for them, and we're GONNA. Have you know on top of clothes on top of and for the first couple of years? It's a different experience, but. Pile gets older than exports. It's extra curricular school activities and then abandoned. You know. My son, my son is does the UKULELE. School and I would've never thought they would ever be school expenses with that, but there is, and you know then there's he does soccer and all that all these things. It's OK. To have a starting place that you don't that it may not be one hundred percent accurate, but at least at the starting place for you to actually tweak and perfect. And I will tell you right now. Your budget is going to change. It will not be the same food. Costs are going to be more health. Costs are going to be more. There's going to be certain things in your budget, and so you'll be able to learn that, but it's important to get that down on paper. So you can really show in. See the evolution over time on how your budget is progressing. Yeah. Yeah I didn't even really think about like. Planning the baby budget before the baby gets here I'm like well. We'll have the baby in just kind of see how much it costs. No Yeah, I would definitely start with an estimate acuity especially if you're like me and you're a working mom. Then there's daycare costs involved as well and that was my biggest struggle. It's like Oh, my gosh. How am I going to work in this huge expense? Literally half of my rent payment. Yeah, into the budget and I had to cut in other areas. It's really important that we have a foundation that we can work with now because asked what you're gonNA need to change in tweak as we go. Yeah Yeah, for sure I would love for you to just touch on the stuff that you offer to your followers. 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Sharing with us, I know I I was taking notes while you were talking of like all the conversations I need to have with my husband and all the things I need to do. Not like okay, we're GONNA. Talk about this. We're going to do this but yeah I mean. I know that time is very valuable and I'm just so grateful for you coming on and sharing all of this information I think. You know working toward being debt free is there is such a freedom that comes with that for families and for their futures so. I love having these conversations and being able to to talk with people who are actually doing it. Yeah, yeah, no, thank you so much for having me. All right everybody, thank you so much for listening. I love the conversation with her I definitely need to move to cash envelopes for groceries. Try to get that lockdown. Food is expensive though it's. It's definitely. If you WANNA, try to eat, help the. It doesn't make sense. It's like the healthier you wanna eat the more expensive it is. It's all backwards, but I need to be on a budget I. Sure and I want to get that down in the next couple of months before I. Pop this out. If you guys are listening and you're not subscribing sure that you subscribe and leave us a review and tell us why you are loving the podcast. Share this with somebody who you know would love it or wants to be part of our community. Join US I in our facebook. Community at Miraculous Mama's on facebook. Our instagram and twitter or more OCULUS, Mama's always post stuff up on their about guests and the miraculous Mama's blog as well where I share my week. tweak pregnancy. All sorts of other Mama. Blogs and there's information about the podcast on there as well. I love you guys so much. And I'm excited to continue. On this journey with you I'm having so much fun learning lately and diving into different. Topics and talking to Different MOMS and Education and all of it, it's so much fun. 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Spontaneous Combustion Pt. 1
"Podcast supports the black lives. Matter Movement. We, hear you stand by you and are dedicated to making a difference. We realized that an ongoing dialogue is an essential component to revoking change and action is required. One of the most meaningful. Being. Part of spotify is that we have the platform to make a global impact. As a first step, spotify par cast have committed ten million dollars globally, organizations focused on the fight against racism, injustice, inequity, and that drive meaningful change. But this just the beginning. With this pledge and future initiatives we will strive to play a significant role in the fight against discrimination and racial injustice. Thanks for listening. In nineteen, Sixty, seven Robert Francis Baily, a homeless man in Lambeth London finally found shelter in an abandoned building. He sat down in a stairwell with a bottle of booze in nineteen, Eighty six George. MoD tired firefighter in crown. Point New York prepared for bed. He turned on his oxygen enhancement machine just like he'd been trained. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven berry, Sudan, a handyman in Folkston Kent, put a pot of water on the stove to boil. He needed to take his prescription medication. In two. Thousand ten Michael Charity a retiree in Bali Ban Ireland sat down in his living room to relax. He just built a nice fire. Minutes after each of these moments, all four men suddenly burst into flames, their bodies, or whatever was left of them were found hours later. While it was clear to investigators that the men burned to death, none of the scenes look like typical fires. The flames were strangely contained to the victim's bodies. Instead of charge corpse, their torsos were burned down to ash. All were suspected cases of spontaneous human combustion. Welcome to unexplained mysteries, a podcast original I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know, but in this show we don't take. We don't no for an answer. Every Tuesday and Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries, and all other park has two originals for free on spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream, unexplained mysteries for free on spotify just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar. This is our first episode on spontaneous human combustion, a rare phenomenon where people suddenly go up in flames with any apparent source of ignition. After catching fire, only the victims burn the flames. Don't spread any further this week. We'll take a look at the history of spontaneous human combustion, and why are obsession with these inexplicable fires has continued since Biblical Times. Then, we'll explore four distinct suspected cases. Next week will dissect different theories that attempt to explain how each of these four fires started. What could have fuelled the flames? And why spontaneous combustion blazes are so strangely contained? Spontaneous human combustion is extremely rare. There have only been about two hundred documented cases worldwide. Victims are identified by three specific criteria. I there must be no indication of external ignition when a post mortem examination of victims as possible, it often appears that the fire originated inside the torso and circulated outward second. The victim is always severely burnt, but without any sign accelerate like gas often, the subjects are scorched down to the bone. In some cases, the bones themselves have disintegrated. Third the fire is inexplicably contained the victims surroundings, even their furnishings and flammable objects like newspapers or cigarettes are minimally damaged. Sometimes, they're even untouched. Occasionally, the fire is limited to just the victims torso. Their legs and feet are left behind attached to nothing but a pile of ashes. Statistically suspected victims of the peculiar fiery phenomenon are most often women, overweight and alcoholics, and they're almost always alone. When the fire ignites in this episode, we'll look at two cases that fit this profile and to that do not. Documented instances of spontaneous human combustion with an eyewitness are rare, but we dug some up, but first let's take a look at the history of spontaneous human combustion, and how our understanding of it has evolved as science and technology have improved. The earliest record of spontaneous combustion is found in the Bible. According to the book of Leviticus Very Ten Moses nephews nee. deb And a by Hugh met and unfortunate fiery fate. The brothers disobeyed God's command by bringing incense immediately after quote fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them, and they died before the Lord. Sudden inexplicable death by fire has always been strange and terrifying in Biblical Times. However, no one thought it was random. Is someone violently burst into flames? It was because of God's wrath. This biblical interpretation linked spontaneous human combustion with moral failing. Only impure sinful people died from fires that seemed to come from nowhere. This moralistic point of view on spontaneous human combustion continued for centuries. In the early nineteenth century, the phenomenon was employed as a fear tactic to ARATU Kate a common blight of the time public drunkenness. Newspapers carried sensational articles reporting the horrifying Dass of drunks after they inexplicably caught fire. The articles were backed by temperance societies. They thought the risk of a dramatic painful death could drive people away from over indulging in alcohol so wild. These newspaper reports likely weren't one hundred percent on true. They were definitely blown out of proportion. The term spontaneous human combustion originated around this time likely in one of these articles, but the phenomenon gained real traction when it was utilized by popular artists and entertainer of the time, Charles Dickens. In eighteen fifty, two Charles Dickens wrote bleak house, a novel that was originally published in monthly installments. The. Story illustrates the struggle of the poor during the industrial revolution. dickins latched onto the inherent drama of fire, inexplicably erupting from inside of a person. Playing into the biblical connotation that only the wicked went up in flames, Dickens built spontaneous combustion into the death of his villain Mr Crook in the story. Mr Crook was a parsimonious, paranoid drunk. He interrogated every person who entered his creepy cluttered shop full of secondhand wears. He treated his tenants like criminals. He was universally mistrusted and despised. Are Mr Crooks last night on earth, his upstairs neighbor smelled the pungent odor wafting up through the floorboards. It appeared as if the old alcoholic was cooking rotten meat. As the evening wore on smoke filtered up into their apartment. The Window Sill collected a film of Yellow Grease. Finally the neighbors went down to Mr Crooks apartment to investigate as they descended, the putrid scent got stronger with every step. By the time they reached Mr Crooks Bedroom. The smell was so overpowering that it became difficult to breathe. They spotted Mr Crooks hat and coat sitting on a chair, but there was no sign of the man himself. That's when they noticed a pile of ashes on the floor Mr. Crooks demise caused quite a stir. Most readers enjoyed the appalling twist, but not everyone was so delighted. Experts in the scientific community challenged the validity of crooks death. In opinion pieces published in newspapers like the leader. They claimed that spontaneous human combustion was scientifically impossible, and it was dickens, friend scientists and literary critic Jorge Luis who led the attack, Dickens was known for the accuracy of other physical maladies in his novels like smallpox and neurological dysfunction. Lewis felt that Dickens was being irresponsible. And perpetuating an urban legend by Dickens couldn't be convinced by his friends argument in his next installment of the novel, he defiantly included a list of confirmed examples of the phenomenon. Is Primary source was a book, called the Anatomy of Drunkenness Dickens explanation for the physical causes, spontaneous human combustion relied on a discovery dating back to the late eighteenth century around that time, chemists were able to observe pure oxygen for the first time. They concluded two things. Oxygen was the critical component in human respiration. and. Oxygen was highly flammable. With this new understanding, some scientists concluded that breathing fueled a steady constant fire inside our bodies that fire supposedly fueled our movement with fire burning internally around the clock. It made sense why some drunks might suddenly burst into flames. Alcohol was a known accelerate once there was too much booze in the system. It was only a matter of time before. They burst into flame. Dickens Fran Lewis however debunked the theory that we all have some kind of internal pilot light constantly burning, he pointed out that human bodies are also approximately seventy five percent water far from flammable, but Dickens wouldn't back down. He refused to revise. Mr Crooks death seem and continued to rebut Lewis claims in public forums like the newspaper opinion pages until he published the final installment of bleak house in September eighteen, fifty three, after that it appears the old friends buried the hatchet, our understandings of both fire and the human body have drastically improved since eighteen fifty three. But when it comes to spontaneous, human combustion, science can't explain everything. Coming up the bizarre and gruesome details of real life cases of spontaneous human combustion. Knives out. The critically acclaimed blockbuster film audiences love is now free to prime members on prime video when renowned crime novelist Harlan thrombosis, he dies on the night of his eighty fifth birthday. Be Inquisitive and Debonair Detective Ben, while blank, arrives at the estate to investigate from Harland's dysfunctional family to is devoted staff blunk cifs through a web of red herrings and self serving lies to uncover. 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Every, Wednesday, you'll wait through the details of a heinous crime track the ups and downs of the investigation, and ultimately witness the closure of a seemingly unquenchable case. Each episode of solve murders plays out like a classic murder mystery where the final review is nearly shocking as the murder itself. From the butcher of Plainfield Ed Geene to America's first serial killer H H Holmes. These accounts are all real, all riveting and only available on spotify. Not Every story has a happy ending, but at least they have an ending. Follow, solve murders, true crime mysteries free and only on spotify. Now back to the story. The Biblical history of spontaneous human combustion link, the phenomenon to the deaths of unfavorable people Charles. Dickens famously reinforced this interpretation in his eighteen, fifty, two novel Bleak House. The time has told a news story. Not every victim of these strange in grizzly fires has been villain. Let's travel back to quaint and quiet. Upper Darby Pennsylvania on the morning of November eighth. Nineteen, sixty four. Inside a stone house in the Drexel Hill area to Children Watch TV at Grandma's house, the kids had spent the night with her grandmother Helen, conway a fifty one year old widow. Around eight thirty a M, a bell rang upstairs Mrs Conway wasn't very mobile and use the bell to communicate with others in the house. When Mrs Conway's Granddaughter Stephanie Heard The ringing. She knew what to do. She dashed up the stairs and into her grandmother's sitting room. There Stephanie Found Mrs Conway Sitting in a chair in the corner. Mrs Conway asked for Stephanie To bring her a book of Matches Stephanie Obeyed Her Grandmother, and then return to the TV downstairs just a few minutes later. One of Mrs Conway's neighbors whom we'll call Mary passed by the House on her way to church. She noticed a strange glow coming from an upstairs window. Mary knocked on the front door. When Stephanie answered, she brushed pastor sure there was danger inside the house. Mary tried her best to get up the stairs, but had to stop half way. The Heat was too intense Mary thought quickly, she dashed to the phone and dialed the fire department. The firefighters arrived around eight fifty, only about twenty minutes after Stephanie delivered the matches to her grandmother in those twenty or so minutes, Mrs Conway. Sitting Room hadn't changed dramatically. But Mrs Conway had. Firefighters had to use heat resistant gloves to open the door. The room was smokey, but there were no visible flames, no sign of an active fire, but it was clear where the fire was the corner where Mrs Conway had been sitting was now burned completely black almost all the way to the ceiling. There was no chair left and no Mrs Conway. Well Very Little Mrs Conway. Her entire body had burned away. Except for her legs below the knees, which still rested freakishly against the edge of her chair. The back of Mrs Conway's chair had been completely decimated. Her head and talk show burn down to the bone. A metal bracelet hung from the charred bones of her wrist, but her bare legs below the knee were only blistered, not burned. When the blisters were broken, they were wet. The moisture inside the blisters indicated two things I did Mrs Conway was alive at the time of the fire, and second that her body composition had not been dramatically altered by the flames, or whatever caused them her body like all human bodies had remained primarily water-based, perhaps the strangest feature of the scene, even stranger than Mrs Conway's disembodied legs was the fact that the fire was already out. It had only been about twenty minutes since Stephanie had come upstairs. Even less time had passed since their neighbor Mary I witnessed the fire through the window. Normally when bodies are burned to the point of complete obliteration, they have to be exposed to extremely high temperatures for several hours. It seemed impossible that Mrs Conway could have burned so completely so fast with those circumstances in mind. Investigators were initially convinced that an accelerate must've been present. But no such. was ever found. The most perplexing feature however seemed to be the minimal damage done to the sitting room of fire, burning, hot, enough to completely cremate. Conway should have destroyed everything around her, but the damages to Mrs Conway's House and belongings were minimal. A telephone near her chair was partially melted, but none of the other objects next to the phone had been affected. A package of cigarettes about three feet from the body was completely intact. Strangely, a television set in the adjoining bedroom had also begun to melt. Right, next to the liquefied TV was a plastic doll dressed in tool, a highly flammable fabric. But somehow it did not ignite Mrs Conway's death was blamed on her carelessness with either the matches or her cigarettes investigators documented several small round burns throughout her house, indicating that Mrs Conway had a habit of dropping lit cigarettes. While this explanation, make some logical sense. It doesn't explain how the fire tore through Mrs Conway's flesh so quickly. Many experts remain skeptical. Fire Chief Paul Haggerty who responded to the nine one one call that day remains haunted by the case. He said, regarding the official cause of death. It's impossible you could stand with a blow torch, and you wouldn't be able to consume her body. That fast chief Haggerty doesn't attempt to present any logical reasoning for Mrs Conway's death, but he does point out that Mrs.. Conway's remains look different than the remains of any other fire victim. He'd ever witnessed. There was always clear evidence that the fire had come from a source outside the body. This! Was something entirely different? Chief. Haggerty wasn't the only fire professional that's been baffled by the unexplainable years later and many miles away from Mrs. Conway's home in Pennsylvania firemen were yet again scratching their heads. On thanksgiving, Weekend Nineteen seventy-nine Mrs Beatrice. Waved goodbye to her son Frank from the doorstep of her modest home in the small Illinois suburb of Bolingbrook. Frank was embarking on a long mountain drive to go skiing. Mrs, Ox Katie was a plump brunette fifty one year old housewife, she walked with a limp, her medal ankle brace clanking with every step. She had broken her ankle years before, but because she suffered from diabetes, the break never properly healed after seeing frank off, it was a relief to sit down in her favourite chair in front of the TV. It's likely that Mrs Oscar enjoyed a beverage that evening alone in her house. She had a known drinking problem despite her circumstances. Mrs Oxy didn't let much bother her. She wasn't preoccupied with her health problems or distressed about spending a holiday weekend alone according to her son Frank Mrs. Only had one fear. Fire. The next morning. Mrs oxy's former daughter-in-law Shelly stopped by to retrieve some belongings. She wasn't surprised when Mrs Oxy didn't answer the door immediately. She knew her mother-in-law couldn't move very fast, but after several minutes past shelley became concerned, she let herself inside. Shall we notice? The HOUSE SMELLED SMOKY? She called out to see if he was home. When Mrs Oxy didn't answer. Shelly dialed nine one one. The local fire department responded quickly. Lieutenant Jim grissom was on the first on the scene. He observed the same smoky odor that spooked shelly, but none of the tale foul smells that are channel rated when a human body is burned. But when the firefighters reached the living room, their mouths dropped open in shock and horror. On the living room floor where Mrs, oxy's favorite chair had been. There was now a pile of black ash and charred bone. The remains would not have been immediately recognizable as human except for one dreadful detail. Just like Mrs Conway Mrs. Oxy's legs below her knees were still intact. Her. Torso and head were burned completely not just beyond recognition, but beyond existence there was no longer torso head, or even a discernible bone structure. There was only black Ash, but Mrs. Feet weren't even scorched. Pro Distinctive Ankle brace in both her shoes largely unscathed. Unnerving sight a disembodied pair of human legs laying on the ground on top of pile of ash. The firefighters investigating this scene had never seen anything like it normally when human burns, firefighters and investigators expect to find the core of the body intact. The outermost extremities like the ear lobes fingertips knows and expose toes are the first things to be burned away. Mrs Oscar had somehow done the opposite. Her upper body and torso were completely obliterated, but her lower extremities ed remained intact. Mrs oxy's ghastly legs weren't the only unusual thing about the scene. It was extremely real for firefighters to find a human corpse that had been so completely annihilated by fire, incinerating the deceased in a crematorium requires temperatures of fourteen hundred to eighteen hundred degrees Fahrenheit for several hours. Even after cremation, some human bone fragments remain. But many of Mrs Oxy's bones had been completely destroyed Mrs. Oscar weighed over one hundred and seventy pounds before she caught fire. Investigators removed only sixty five pounds of bodily material from her home. The complete decimation of Mrs Ox Skis. Torso and head suggested of very hot fire had burned for a very long time. But there was no other evidence of such a fire in her home. Mrs oxy's legs weren't the only inexplicable survivors of the blaze. There were other flammable items nearby that had not ignited the bic lighter and a newspaper on a table, both within arm's reach of Mrs. Oxy's chair had not burn the plastic telephone and lamp shade right next to the body hadn't even melted, there were blackened. Burn marks on the ceiling directly above what was left of Mrs Ski. It appeared the fire had burned directly upward, but it wasn't clear why it hadn't spread any further. Mrs Ascii was a smoker and one fire investigators suggested that the fire could have started when she fell asleep with a lit cigarette. But MRS OX. Ke's family immediately rejected this possibility in the past Mrs. Oxy had fallen asleep with a cigarette. She only suffered a circular burn where the cigarette fell on her abdomen. Mrs Oxy son Frank, and the rest of her relatives refuse to believe that such a drastically different outcome could share the same root cause, firefighters and fire investigators were baffled, but when spontaneous human combustion was brought up, many investigators refused to consider it. The phenomenon was considered a myth among many experts, but others even men who previously had written Nov spontaneous combustion as folklore found themselves seriously considering the possibility for the first time. They could come up with no other explanation for the peculiar circumstances. They found inside Mrs Oxy's home. Mrs, Oxy and Mrs Conway are too often cited cases of suspected spontaneous human combustion. Have many similarities. Both women were older smokers who died alone. They were discovered after the fact among surroundings that were strangely unaffected by the fires that killed both women, and both women left behind a pair of creepy disembodied legs, but next will examine two cases of alleged spontaneous human combustion that are more modern and less typical, both arguably caused even more trauma anguish than Mrs Conway or Mrs Oxy's death, because both these cases were witnessed firsthand. Coming up rare eyewitness accounts of spontaneous human combustion now back to the story. In nineteen, sixty, four fifty one year, old Mrs Conway's torso burn to the bone in only twenty minutes leaving behind a grizzly pair of legs. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, fifty one year, old Mrs, Eddy perished in her home after another mysterious fire, her legs were also strangely left behind. But, not all suspected instances of spontaneous combustion can be considered the same. Take for instance seventeen-year-old Jacqueline Kit Simon in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five Jacqueline was a culinary student at Halton. Technical College in witness England. On a cold day in January she in two friends completed an exam early and spent the last fifteen minutes of their class period loitering around the classrooms hot ovens. When class was complete, Jacqueline strolled out of the classroom. One armed linked with each of her friends. The girls proceeded down the busy staircase, rushing past other students ended up when Jacqueline reached the landing. She paused. She called out to her friends. My back's hot. Am I on fire. then. She screamed as the students next to her step back. Flames were suddenly leaping off her back. One of the other students on the stairs Neil Argon help Jacqueline's friends smothered the flames with their jackets. Goggin had the fire out in just a few seconds, but he felt like it took forever, but the damage had already been done. When Jacqueline arrived at the hospital, doctors found that she had suffered burns over thirteen to eighteen percent of her body. The Apron she wore for culinary class had melted into her back. Although Jacqueline's wound seemed relatively minor, she passed away about two weeks later. Ultimately? It was a lung infection triggered by smoke inhalation, not her burns that resulted in her early death and inquest following. Jacqueline's death found that the fire resulted from her apron igniting after she leaned against the hot oven in her culinary classroom. However, a reenactment found the apron only would have smoldered for thirty seconds before fully igniting several witnesses observed Jack Lynne's standing at the back of her classroom for a full fifteen minutes waiting to be dismissed, so although the smoldering apron is the official ignition source on record. Many skeptics believe there's more to the story. Our final mysterious fire death also took place in the UK, but it packs even more drama. In Edmonton a district of London, a father and daughter John Ingenious. were. Relaxing after dinner on a warm evening in September, nineteen, eighty, eighty-two, sixty one year, old genie had lived at home her entire life. Born with physical and mental disabilities, she was beloved by her family. especially her mother, but the matriarch had recently passed away. Those still morning Jack and Jeanie had finally found a new routine. Jack Sat at the kitchen table, packing his pipe with tobacco, genie sat beside him paging through the newspaper Jack briefly turned his back on genie, but an odd glow at the edge of his vision made him redirect his attention. What he saw made him gasp allowed. Genie was blowing fire out of her mouth Jack rushed to his daughter, and tried to extinguish the flames, Don Carol Genie's brother-in-law was in another room of the House when he heard the commotion. Arrived in the kitchen. He couldn't believe his eyes. Don described the scene by saying as a child. You hear ferry stories of Dragon Breathing, fire! That's just what I walked into. The flames were coming out of genie's now a good two feet, maybe more, and there was a roaring sound. Don scrambled to help John put out the fire. He filled up bulls of water at the kitchen sink and use them to douse his sister-in-law. It wasn't easy. Don couldn't believe the volume of the flames that appeared to omit from inside genie. Even as he dumped water on the fire, he felt like they kept reappearing. Don Worried about getting burned himself he had deduct to avoid the flames, shooting out of her abdomen and mouth. Finally the two men managed to extinguish the flames. The three of them just stood there overwhelmed by the event they'd all just witnessed even genie, who was suffering from burns, on her face, and midriff seemed totally stunned. Don Remembers that she didn't even cry out in pain. which is stood, there is wide. Eventually genie was taken by ambulance to a nearby hospital and admitted to the burn unit. Genie was burned over thirty to forty percent of her body, and she quickly dropped into a coma. Eighties later, she was dead. Constable Lee. Marsden was assigned to investigate the incident and write up a formal report. But his inquiry left him with more questions than answers. The official Coroner's report stated that there was no evidence of burning at the back of genie's throat. That evidence called into question, the validity of and John Story of genie breathing fire. However according to Dawn, the inside of genie's mouth was burned. The tissue inside the human mouth is extremely moist, and it heals more quickly than our exterior epidermis. It could be possible that any burns. Genie's suffered inside her mouth. He'll during her six-day stay in the hospital before she passed away. Constable Marsden also struggled to identify a viable source of ignition. Genie Never Smelt Because of her disability, her father didn't think she was even capable of striking a match. John's pipe freshly packed with tobacco was on the table when up in flames, but it wasn't lit. And there was no gas points or electrical sockets near Jeannie at the time. Constable Marsden even sat down in genie's chair to see. If there was any possible way, he could reach the only fire source in the room. The pilot light on the stove. It was impossible. The constable was left unable to explain how genie had suddenly caught fire at no point. However, we're done or John Accused by the authorities of starting the blaze. Has a theory about why he and John were never suspected. The police. No, it was human combustion. They know, but they will not tell anyone that that is what it was. Genius family was sure that they witnessed her. Spontaneously combust. Although the authorities were baffled, they were unwilling to list spontaneous human combustion on the official record presumably for fear of ridicule. In Genie's case, just like in all the cases covered, her death simply could not be explained. All the cases we examined today fit the three criteria of spontaneous human combustion. None of the fires had a clear source of ignition. Somehow every fire was intense enough to kill the victim without any accelerate in each case, the victim, the primary, if not only fuel for the fire. These fires were lethal, but caused very little collateral damage next week will explore several theories that explain how spontaneous human combustion could occur. First ignition with could possibly start these deadly powerful fires. Could Mrs Harrison, Conway and Mrs. Beatrice oxy's careless smoking habits have made them both go up in flames. Perhaps, their cigarettes or Mrs Conway's matches interacted with another highly flammable material unnatural accelerate that our. Generate in abundance. Gas Genie Safran had no clear source of fire close to her, but her family believes her grief over losing. Her mother resulted in the flames. Could human emotions generate fire. Many people blame Jacqueline fitzsimmons proximity to a hot oven for the fire. That ultimately killed her. But there could be another less obvious ignition source. Static electricity. and. It's incredibly uncommon. Thanks again for tuning in to unexplained mysteries will be back Thursday with part two of spontaneous human combustion you can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other park originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like unexplained mysteries for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream unexplained mysteries on spotify just open the APP and type unexplained. In the search bar, CNN, time and remember never take. We don't no for an answer. An explain mysteries was created by Max Cutler in his a podcast studios. Original executive producers include Max and Ron Cutler. Sound Design by Rama's with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly, Madden and Travis Clark. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by Hannah Macintosh with writing assistance by Maggie Admire and stars. 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"On today's show we're breaking down tillman for titas ninety five five room now before we get into the ninety five five i wanna point out there are many names aims you many ways you could mispronounce tillman for his name several you could say for todd for totta for for tita for tita for totta for you you but that wouldn't be his name. Well you're correct but tillman potato tomato tillman for totta becoming for tita tita. He is the the owner of the houston rockets and he has a net worth of four point. Four billion dollars in his new book is called. Shut up and listen and i'm just telling you this ninety. Five five rule is hot hot. You know what i'm gonna do you. I'm gonna shut up and listen no no nanette uh-huh grab the duct tape and mentally prepare yourself for yet another mind expanding knowledge bomb from america's number one one business coach clay clark. Yes yes yes and yes thrive nation. It is a special occasion because doctors zellner is back in our location you yes. It feels so good to be back home. Sir welcome back with you. When you consider consider. What you went on here was that it was a vacation. Was it a a business trip. How would you describe the nature of the trip that you're on vacation seems to be business anymore right. Oh yeah you really just go and just check out and and do it. Just lounge seems like you're always. It's always some kind of business. You gotta take care of business so let me ask you ask you guys to compare you went to. Where did you just get back from geico's. What turks keiko's. It's it's it's a thing you know what i how do you spell. Do you know t h okay. That's that that oh no. I uh-huh oh man he you are as and and keiko goes to see a quick caribbean island okay man. You just got back from the bahamas right. Yep exuma not too far. Yeah cool the south of me. How do you spell that you all it real quick. I got some new sound effects here. Matt and i want you this an ophthalmologist from alabama. He's alabama and he has this incredible last athas named timothy johnson z. You're gonna love this guy yeah and so i had him on a show on the show. I queued up the audio clip from naked gun where leslie nielsen's character goes into the bathroom after doing a public speaking event and he forgets that his mike's on lovelier mike oh yeah so he's in there and let her rip and the mike song and i for some reason i played that sound clip on the show in timothy. Johnson can't stop laughing but just listen. I'll turn out to laugh. Listen to the pure joy. This man is having this opthalmologist. Listen to this. Isn't that great man getting that. Listen listen so good well. Today's show we're talking about shut up and listen hard business truths that will help you succeed aid from tillman for we billionaire owner of the rockets who is going to be on the show. I believe the checking the counter. Let me look real. Quick here. I'll again. I know this show gets released differently from win our listeners. We're going to hear it off from time to time but let me look here. This would be so. I think it's the seventh yes the seventh so matt. Put that on your calendar. That's wednesday the seventh interviewing tillman for titter right here on the thrive time. I'm show a billionaire worth four point four billion dollars the guy behind the rainforest cafe a bubba gump shrimp the houston rockets obviously landry's salt grass just incredible business person and he has this thing called the the 95-5 ratio. It's here about this so the ninety five five ratio. He says i'm going to read read reading the excerpts from the new book again called shut up and listen by tillman for tennessee he writes being in business can involve all sorts of formulas but when it comes to what can make your business either a success or an ongoing struggle. I always use a simple ratio to make sure i'm paying attention to what really matters i call this. The ninety five five rule on the surface. The ninety five five rule may seem completely atta balance. I've ever heard from all sorts of entrepreneurs. Here's how can a measure of five percent really help or hurt my business so much. How can such a small part matter especially when everything else is working so well believe me it can so i want. I want one example than z. You can one up me and then mcenroe all of us okay perfect the phones it oxy fresh when the phone rings at oxy i if you buy oxy fresh franchise and i'm a consumer and i type in. Let's say jefferson city carpet cleaning quotes so i type in jefferson city carpet clear. Maybe i live in jefferson city missouri and i just searched for carpet cleaning quotes either way. I find oxy fresh with one hundred sixty. Four thousand google. Go reviews ranked top and google. I say to myself self. I'm gonna i'm gonna call at business reason i call. That's where most businesses get it wrong when my wife and i had a flood in our house with the great flood we had the man cave. There's these companies that are called twenty four seven disaster her company. It's a disaster twenty four seven you call them at twenty four seven. They're supposed to be available to come in to fix whatever is going on. That would be implied by the name i mean i'm thinking uh-huh so i called the twenty four seven and i'm not making up a number. I say that i called more than two. I called more than four and i called more than seven yeah. That's what that means. Maybe but i called all of the people in google and i had to people does that answered. The phone and one was like hello yeah. We'll be there right away and just like we're back to. The other guy was like taking your calling yada yada how can help you. He's on it. Oh yes guys like sip and red bull. He's he's on guard dude. He's ready to go. That dude showed up and guess who i gave the business to that guy that guy. That's just five percent of the business those answering the phone oxy fresh. If you call an oxy fresh franchisee is e. You know what you're gonna do. You're not gonna get voicemail where you where you reach a voicemail because the carpet cleaners cleaning carpets no simultaneously why the franchisee is cleaning carpet locally the call center nationally answers the phone tricky met. That's that's a big thing. Though right is the big thing a big benefit for franchisees that somebody answers the phone for the someone's answering the phone on behalf of the franchisee. I mean that isn't that a huge benefit. Yes i mean i can tell you firsthand someone that does business. I mean i'm on this podcast right now. I have complete sleet just complete <hes>. What am i trying to say. You're confident that no matter how long this conversation no matter how long are on the podcast it doesn't matter how many people call me at that time like i'm gonna fight people call ten people twenty people call me in an hour span. I can be doing multiple things. I don't have to be the a person that's really trying to focus on answering that business right. I can basically do as a necessary for my business and know that the phones are ringing some of answering them that has trained trained on the language of carpet cleaning that is trained on the technology platform that can read my schedule my specific price structure and put the jobs where they should be in my schedule so that i i can go complete a huge import big big big big now. Let's talk about optometry. You're the first guy to show up with the seven day schedule right items that just that was a move. Every other optometrist was open. What four days and we've got a lot of doctors are closed on fridays well. Maybe a half day. Come on. I mean you know i'm being serious. Yeah i mean kids get sick a lot profession chiropractors. I mean there's a lot of professionals that choose to they want to come into their schedule and citizen. Hey we're gonna be available for your schedule and i've told a lot of my kids. I have two five kids. I've told him four of them. I'm like hey listen. If you guys get sick freaking get sick on a monday sunday at ten because these doctors are off on friday and they start getting sick on friday and i said no no no it doesn't. That's a classic move. You're going to be closed thirty minutes for you closed some horrific. Something comes in the door and it's always just it's murphy's law so it's going to happen. There's a lot of variables in optometry but you made the decision that little five percent change of changing your hours. I mean that changes the game jays game but one of my biggest five percent that if it's not right it just the whole engine. The whole train stops and just jumps the tracks. You know dogs cats living together acid rain. Let me get the audience ready to hear it. Okay throwing throwing into emotional state there. You go there you okay. I'm getting ready. We're ready now <hes> aradio the five where we're at we're ready for the five percent. Give us give us the five percents <hes> we can answer the phone great. We can greet people great. We could actually not so great ingredients not so great. I get reviews on that. Sometimes that's a deal breaker. I can have them walked. Tim back and not tell them is going to be fair fair and they're upset but yet it's sorta dealbreaker bringing back the room he could pre-testing get locked and loaded the room cleaned and ready to go and then the doctor comes in and messes up the prescription. You can't mess up then. The classes are made wrong. Gotta come back cats living together. I mean it's it's so that five fr- my business you know you have to make sure that that prescription has done accurately currently because then all the other things kind of go off of that your contact lens prescriptions and fitting your glasses bifocals you know and everything so when that gets wrong to go back and fix that is just a such a pain in the whole system so for me my five percent that fits not not really rock him and the other stuff yeah the other ninety five percent in any business is important but that's the core essence people want to come in and i know this sounds crazy klay yup yup and matt matt. It sounds crazy but people are gonna come in to an optometrist and be able to see clearly when they leave. I know that's wait a minute doug timothy johnson the ophthalmologist. It's craz on the other line and i wanted to respond to that. We wanted yeah. You want to chime in he says are you serious. Are you trying to say the core function of of an optometrist and ophthalmologists to help people see clearly when they leave to that he said no. That's not tim switch lines. Here's tim tim johnson. That's what he has to say about that. I mean he's he's. He's that's funny but that one takes. You have to always remember that. I think it's very important. What is what is the core function then all the other staff steph. You still want to happen great like an oxy. I the first step in your business. I mean people who are going to call to get them to come out and give them a quote. They're going to have that phone answer answer. That's a core issue for them. For as core issues is making sure that prescriptions done correctly because when it's done correctly everything else just goes so much smoother suzy's saying right now if you're out there listening right now and you're not thomas okay and you're going. I got great sign a great location. I'm top and getting brain no-brainer down the door to people people leave and they can't see that's not a move. It's not well. It's a movie was just on a sustainable but when people leave and they can't see clearly z. I've got an audio c._e._o. Soundbite is what happened inside your lobby win. Patients really left being able to see clearly. This is the the atmosphere oh in the the lobby. I have microphones. Everyone really nice ones from sure. Oh nice put those in there really incredible. This is what the ambiance critic person they'd get the glasses they get the prescription they they they. They picked out the perfect frame. Oh perfect frame got one pair for ninety nine. Go back i want to i'm on. They get more and this is what they said it. Oh wow and then these poised terminent look. I got a feeling it's incredible. It's just incredible how the energy of the room change when they could see clearly but no matter how well you do the ninety five percent if you if by in that when industry that i am involved in if that is done incorrectly the other ninety five percent it out the window now matt tell us about a five percent something that would just just irradiate tillman for ted where he would say listen here putting i own the freaking rockets. This is not going to go down to my business. Give us a five percent oxy fresh where a franchisee can really make acre break the deal if they do this right the making them on if they don't do this right things go yeah a good thing would be in terms terms of like <hes> a very simple ones for us everything all the way through the call center and and taking the call and and <hes> a big kind kind of secondary stuff that you can take as an owner is calling quotes back right custom times with a quoting system right you. Have you gotten all the way through the process where you got the customer to call you. You went through the system and they that customer may need something a little special. Maybe your schedules booked out a little bit too much right. Just taking the extra step as an owner in impulse that person right just the small percentage but think about if you can book five more jobs just by having a conversation and do anything that customer that maybe the scheduling center can write that you might be got a full a full week right which is a great thing in terms of your schedule but also you're losing a lot of opportunity their right to being able to actually get go above and beyond that extra step that customer customer just just calling quotes back giving them something that maybe you as the owner can step out there. That might change your business through a year by like twenty five thirty thousand dollars now but you never called him back. Nothing will ever happen now before we had a huge impact before we can move on <hes> and wrap up today's show about focusing on that five percent i want. I want to just read notable quotable from tillman for teddy here. He says a culture of always being on the look out for the for the five percent is something that i've built at each one of my businesses. I urge you to do the same you you should aim for a culture that puts that five percent at the forefront of your thoughts your decisions and actions don't be shy or bashful about letting others know just how critical that is you gotta get the credit that culture i want to get your take on how you do that at your companies and i want to get matt's taken how they do that oxy fresh and then we're gonna let me get back to what he's doing because he's having a blast you blast up audio matt klein earlier today. First of all matters you guys hit over four hundred four hundred locations. Can we celebrate four hundred yeah. Oh my goodness tell me small aw oh. I wanna have four hundred hip more hundred risk. We gotta feel it gonna feed. We know you're going to take the house. Bill needs work on the crank down. Every we go all right. Everything's better with that. Come on now. How many do you have right now. Committee you have right now. We need about almost about ken fifteen more to get their <hes>. We had a pretty awesome week. We <hes> basically closed on sixty to them. I've been working with for several months. <hes> dallas franchisee that <hes> purchase territories we have a washington branch purchase is to we have a very good couple from kansas purchased one and we have a gentleman from michigan that also is is closing probably tomorrow the next day so <hes> busy week operations gratien guys. You're going to have a lot of training this week. That's great. That's a good week for us a lot of growth <hes> good for what you design. There's a little bit of a personal question just between us though i mean there's nobody else the new franchisee owner down in dallas and since there's some contract disputes or subcontract negotiations his name isn't dak prescott. Is it because i figured he may be hedging his bet. Maybe trying to kind of cover his you know. I don't know for a little bit it but i think he's going to go back and maybe football okay well. I wasn't sure because i know he's in negotiations jewelry okay well. That's what you know. What timothy you. You know what tim johnson. The ophthalmologist thinks about oxygen pressures ought to hit four hundred locations right. I said hey would you believe that oxford. Oxbridge has failed to hit four hundred locations and he says oh. I can't believe it in fact every time. I hear that i love him. There's some labs that make you cringe some last to make you smile and some laughs you just gotta laugh dive in and just listen listen to that all day that laugh tracks by ringtone guides so good at that's my ringtone and just have him call one. You know he's really laughing. Oh yeah it's it's almost like i want to hear this and then took in china and then i want to hear on the overhead any steps to the mike and he goes. I want that to happen. They love it when you get a new sound effects z. Take us home guide us to the mothership how we implement as five percent move well. Here's as the deal about it is as the leader as the owner as the boss as the hefei. Wherever you want to call yourself you set the tone and so everybody's looking at hugh and your business corporate environment and you want a better environment you invited to the table you example the nobody's smiling. You're probably not smiling. You guys. Don't believe in horse head in the if you wonder why people are working. Harden didn't shoot yourself the watching you tell you what i do. Constantly always gets a comment. It is that pick up trash. Pick up trash around the building. I picked trash spicy tries to pick it up. I don't going find someone who was supposed on the intercom who was supposed to pick up trash ars duty. Today you run around carrying a lead pipe to god. I think the fact that this music is always playing overhead. I think we should trust. What do you think i might think is a full the trash clyde you concrete the duct tape in my lead pipe anyway. We were talking about trash. I'm just telling you you better bring it. If you're in a bad mood it's surprising how many of your employees or just all of a sudden in a bad mood if you show up in a great mood and you're happy you're smiling. You're people by their name and you're encouraging. You're edifying lifting them up and then they what happens is whenever you had that five percent percent that you need to kind of emphasize on one. You'd better know what it is right and then to you better be checking it better. I know what you expect but you better inspect act which you expect every now and then i go through and i say how many of my doctors for example having my doctors have to do a redo on their prescription and i tracked that and then then and that's when all of a sudden now it's time for raises for bonuses for extra little gumbo all's we can own gum balls then then that's when things i look at a con had a song called <hes> smack that z. your hit singles track track lynn there. You go the doctor track. Yeah we gotta do that. That's good. That's that's a new prime time. Do matt klein if i want to buy an oxy fresh out there. What's the what's the next step as we wrap up today. What's the next step. What do i need to do yep to thrive time. Show dot com slash artic fresh fill out the form <hes> myself or one of my team members mike mike will reach out and we'll start the conversation. A lot of it is just discovery along to learn about you and what got you interested in what you're currently doing. Some of your goals are. We'll talk about the franchise cise how that may fit together through that process we will get down to the bottom of weather franchising and generals good option for you <hes> and how you wanna run that variety a variety of ways you can run this free shy and they just start you on a path to look into franchising in general if it seems to be a good fit with hockey fresh. The last part of that stage will bring you out to denver goes through the process of discovery and everything lines out correctly. You'll be running this franchise pretty soon and when i heard dr really kind of just reach out when dr z. I heard that the price of fresh was only fifty nine thousand dollars. I happen to have been there and i recorded. Go go gadget. Mike attorney hit the pit the red button. It's the button turns it on hit. The button and this is what dr z's matt. How much is an oxy fresh and you're like we'll see it's only fifty nine thousand z says the fairness when we look at success rates businesses a startup that comes from a franchise chai's world where all the heavy lifting done all the inner workings nine hundred ten startups failing one at ten franchises film. It's like the inverse of the normal. It's yes so it's kind of no brainer and we know that there's so many people out there looking to better their life by being their own boss right tired punch the clock hooker for the man and all that kind of stuff and so you they are show our heart is entrepreneurship true and we're telling you right now if you don't have a rock solid idea if you don't have a great business plan if you're not just ready to go with the business you ought looking at franchising an oxy fresh absolute home run. It is a winner winner chicken dinner every day of your life. When you are the owner of an oxy fresh you may or may not be thinking this is all. You're driving your car home. After a great day of managing your team of carpet texts and you're thinking to yourself okay. I gotta stop but i just want to hit it on the way out one more time one more okay we go. I'll do a three to one and then i'll just end when he got three to what all right take care matt. Oh billy.
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Dancers crazier 'cause you know Lawrence through some crazy shit man I think we're totally just flirting with the line you know mean. Thank. You dads are very walkman. They're very considerate of other people because they're they're used to work in a group. So they're like rod over there. Okay they do. I think there are they're subcategories like the dance world like be boys like the most like raw live. Their entire cultures like some bad ass Covers are very wrong their movement. Is Seen. Be was just be like. A lot of was just like party be was. Really Fun Really Cool News. But like I don't see that I don't see cropper's getting all like as far as like the kind of notions that we're talking about I agree with be boys because be boys is like dancing and extreme sports. So you have the fucking jackass of dance like they're crazy God. Be was doing like naked head spans and air flares in like little. A sprinkler would addicts like, Whoa. I can just and will be in the middle of a club where you literally saw someone just throw up on the floor and spill drinks if they start feeling hype. Shit is. fucking circle around the thrall up and they got a fucking go and I'm like, Dude, you have like a two hundred dollar shirt on. Are you really gonNA. Spit on that pile of throw up and down I heard that oxy clean is a pretty good if you clean up the throw up on your clothes that's true because tacos. Only throw up that much but he does love ice cream like me. So he always eats ice cream and gets it all over the. Place and when he eats the chocolate ice cream, that's the stuff that's really really hard to get out and especially if you just clean them up and you throw the close to the side L. Soak in and then it kind of ruins is close and baby clothes I don't know why they're kind of expensive even though they're really small. So we like to use oxy clean and there's a stick that you can just rub it in and then you can what's so funny. They're really small they releasing things. Because he's small. So. What the new oxy clean Max either had the spray or they have the stick and the spray was really cool. 'cause you spray it on and just soaks in and just leave it, and then later on washed it comes out completely. So it's really good if got like pets and kids because it removes grass days, bloodstains chocolate and we also got the stick when that I really like it's almost like you're just rub it on. and S why like oxy? On either in the washing machine. The stick. One is more for like if it's like a place where I can't just spray it on and let it soak and I Kinda WanNa, rub it out a little bit is a step. So. If you WANNA try oxy clean Max Force for yourself. Okay to work your magic with oxy clean go to oxy clean dot com slash Max Force One to get a coupon for one dollars off baby. I'm GONNA leave a link right in the description box below. So you could check that out one dollars off. There we go. That's why it's called Max Force Walk. Have you been following? So it I have man dude. Push video the other day. Man. Point you guys know. Okay. You don't know I saw. You know. I know now. The national treasure Vietnam this is this is his big. Twenty two. Twenty, four, twenty, five. Or? That's so funny. When I was a kid and I WANNA, sing by alaric sobe using numbers and letters. This dude is he ain't one of you seeing this. He's now he's singing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah this. Is. I listen to ours laughing wrecks on I. Think this William Hong He's like hilarious. He doesn't know how like crazy sounding and then I started this I bought a song. Listening to on repeat like for three hours straight and I'm like wait this guy is actually very musical doing numbers doesn't repeat the Melody doesn't repeat the rhythm. CASS good flow like he has a song. For Day One forty two forty four, forty, three, hundred change in the phrasing on that forty, forty five. I'm like this is like he did four eight bars without without any repetition or any people that might do this guy is be knows what he's doing. He's actually really good. WOULD YOU BE? A song with them because you have music in Seoul Long. Way above my level. Snoop, Dogg's like promoting his shit. Then I don't know. Yes. Yeah. I can't wait till. He gets into the thousands though. I WanNa I. Think this whole plan I was telling the bar is that hit the hundreds already know he's in the forties. Plan is because it started off with one. Yeah, and then he has like one to like ten starts at one, and then like somewhere else you'll see like twelve to fifteen or. The song it's like. No just his instagram like it's just it's in progression, right? On itunes is called doing numbers student numbers. But. That one starts at like thirty something to forty or. Multiple he's like now this is what I call. Volume six, hundred, eighty, three. Thirty years from now. You know that's what I think. He's GonNa do is when he hits one hundred, he's going to compile all as one song from one, two hundred. He's never going to run out of lyrics. While he'll run out after a million right just keep going with a song just be Salameh. Nine hundred. Thousand. Six. Points A. One billion and. WHAT DID TWO TRILLION Bribing and he'd be like back our. Three. All over. Different. I like his his week though man Monday to. The. Brand new. Say Balkan hit him up to do a brand him and his manager didn't him? He has brand deals. Yeah. You want to do a Barbell Brambilla I just want to send them a gift. This Here's I. F. Has. Now Money at home. E. Debt collection. So he's singing grandiose to. Fifty Bucks. Worth it it's worth just to get him some gear like he's pursuing his passions and getting paid for it, and if like these numbers were useful school. Starts doing equations, and then next thing you know he's a huge in is equal MC squared. State accounting give. One half three. Fractions Shit. Just ain't. became a fan. Number Sixteen when he drops the number sixteen specifically. Just singing the songs eleven twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. Yeah. This is my dude for sure. He's good. Know for every single track though he same court congressional same corporate. Yeah. Really. It's the same ones. Yeah it's it's working for him I. Think it's like the Chord progressions are just nineties. Me's music because I could also here Zambian off. But. He's just depending on. What's In this. Studio mindsets is right set. You know it's crazy. Hugh looks like a forty year old man that has a twelve year old body that hangs out with kids. Your. Enemies. No have you seen him playing soccer with all the other kids like so yes, his voice I'm a thirteen year old but I feel like he's forty he do look forty. Yeah. His teeth at least. Eighteen. He's like that juggle uncle. You know what? I mean jungle uncle like you know how the jungle every like in the village if you go to. Hang out but he's the jungle uncle lake. He's of not cool to be what the adults but then he has he's like cool to the junior high kids. He's like Bala now those people that write for sure he's going to run his street. I see him with a with a cigarette dangling out of his mouth crouching and maybe. The flipflop. Yeah. Put a bet right now how many people are thinking his managers in a scream over? I hope not I really hope not. But yeah, you're right because I. His brother. But he's going to school. It's his brother Okay I. It's like he's probably getting brand deals for like five grand and then he gets paid one hundred bucks. The managers page looks like someone that was like all shoot this guy's coming up. Because What I'm hoping though is my buddy and Vietnam. He's trying to get in contact with them and I hope that he could help them out and be the WANNA fuck him over instead of this random person run Wayne have your friends back. I hope that he catches them and meet some and. Schools on entertainment and Shit because that is a thing where a lot of people get caught up with bad managers fucking tripped me out. So his new song doing numbers the weather Bob's such a big fan of New Year's newest hit I was like, I cool. I'M GONNA make a instagram video to that song. And then I was in movie on my phone and when I tried to import that song that song copyright protected. Mother fuckers registered his music and doing everything legit. Can't even help him on the plant when I did the push video at the do it in the gym like play it speakers. Story you know how you could add songs in your story you can't. Oh. Yeah. Now that's the songs actually apple music. All right right right A. Super hyped up to the. Full minute. The saw everyone. Looked at like one thousand fuck and I think when they saw. Oh, it's. This guys is still put up twin G. It's a good sign to at least it's counting the. With, forty one, it's starts in the forties. Perfect Co lab right there. You know what I mean. He just makes a barbell track that's specifically for workout. Squad. To. You know what I mean like. It's the same. He'll just flip the audio. Book Chapter. That's a great idea. Applies did fugger. Identity. The manager man you probably competing with all the bots the hot box. The hop. Yeah. Look at any celebrity page. If you see all the comments, the first ten comments are like hot spots. That's true. They're always like porn. Porn kind of. Click my page and then you go and it's like a only fans. Okay Dante she. Dared.
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So I'm so excited for you guys to hear this podcast as please welcome Maddie and scout of okay. SIS, you're sharing your headset. That's the cutest thing ever will. Yeah because we are professional podcasters over here got out for that's amazing Okay. We'll like right off the. Bat. Text from my therapist. We're we text? He said. Let me go go out to this is the text I just got before. I came on here God she said is everything okay and yeah why and she goes will you're supposed to be here five to six thirty? Oh Shit. Yeah about that I. Didn't even have it in my calendar usually that's like priority on my list. And I didn't even have it written down and I just feel like that's just so me right now in life I am up hot mess dude we'd been there I have missed therapy appointments and my therapist called me thinking there was an emergency and I was like Nope, just implement my Google know when you miss their be. It's a red flag bearer. Think they're like because I. know the last set I usually don't miss therapy in the last time I did I was not a good place in this was years ago and so I feel like she was like, are you? Okay Same Therapist for that. Wrong. Good for you. I feel like I've had like seven. Okay. You know what? I've gone through a couple before I found her and she was incredible and she's always been so amazing. But now I feel like I've outgrown her a little bit because. I hope she doesn't listen to this because I love her so dearly and I just you'll like she really helped me through getting out of my last relationship in like helped me be like have more self love and all these now let cab young have been a really good place. Now there's other things I could work on, but it's nothing that she specializes it. Find move on anything like a new perspective. You know you know it's just like a new frame of mind I had been through I think six it's just hard to the only reason. I wouldn't wanNA switches because then I would have to talk like give her the whole context all over again that is what I like to the year to get to like her really understanding who I am and then you have to. Redo all that shit like that's where I have a little so much to unpack, and you're like have to start over earn relive all these dramatic moments in my life. You eater like. Graph and I'm like Oh this is the drama. This is the limiting beliefs. Disease are the moments that defined my up this house when we move on Yeah I walk in with like my eight gram number. All my past dramas and I'm like, okay. Where do I start of? Okay let's go here but I've learned that I do this because so you don't have to stop hitting. You need to diagnose me there I. got you not the jewels here. It's did you go through six because you grew them or because like my first therapist literally diagnosed me clinical chronic depressed but yet he talked about himself the entire time he was like a reality TV show therapists and we'll talk about all of the cast members that he was needing. I was like sixteen. So I was like, Oh, this is there being John. We'll around the law and that insurance changes and whatever, and now I don't even do life coach like. On Call Twenty, four, seven, that's actually a genius idea. I should probably do that a light like you can call them up any time so I have unlimited texts. which is highly beneficial because when you're like inner city moment, I can send her a voicemail like crying like here's what's going on. You know she doesn't get back community that second you release it more on demand and then. If I really need her, she'll call me in an emergency, but only have like once a week meetings like their. Fabulous. Fabulous, are you both obviously big advocates for therapy and all that right? Yeah. Yeah. So Scalp has bipolar disorder and what is it chronic depression? We don't know they'll just added to the list you know. Disorder and bipolar disorder great and I mattie I grew up kind of opposed therapy because I thought it was like something for her like only people who have largely value the or depression issues have to go to therapy and like I'm not, why am I wasting time like my issues are not as? Grandiose. Lo. You know. The whole we're all. Up. So, it's just like it. It Surmount Senate is you know I went to therapy for one specific issue and then I was like, Oh, a child of divorce this of drama a heartbreak and it's just like you realize so much. It's not just for people with mental illness I think it should be a prerequisite for every single human being you learn so much about yourself and the self awareness the cultivates from it. It's it's amazing. And you learn how to navigate so many things of how you react and how why you react the way you do. It just saves you in relationships or workplace environments or with your family like it. Even if you know like you said, you don't have a diagnosed something. You can find and learn so much about who you are and why that it's like fascinating for yourself. Go to grow as a human being knowing this kind of information and yet for some reason, they're still teaching us how to make an Isosceles triangle of like. Is. That about okay. Why are they not teaching us about a mortgages debt paying taxes mental health like why do you think that's to change because it should by now I also am is goal one day when I retire is to just funnel money into a year like college it's just a year and you go to after high school in between college and it's all about learning how to manage your mental health in your emotional side and you're like emotional intelligence and I just WANNA to teach people 'cause I mean so many people go through late constipated their emotions don't aren't in touch with. Them and they go their whole lives without understanding what's going on in their body in there has to be something that we offer on a public service level I. agree that's I mean there's so many like tools and resources like you know you can text whenever find the talk space and there has podcast. But why are they not teaching it in schools is such a great question but that's that's a fantastic idea. I. Think so many people who have like I I I can't even diagnose my anxiety depression but I think it's Ramon all because without fail that's when it me in the face like. Hundred Mile Crowley Ma'am I'm like Oh. Why did I wake up so depressed in such dark place and it's always that time of the month for me but like so many years of my life and I think a lot of women can feel this way because of what they go through hormones and guys just I guess are more quiet about it but you feel crazy and you feel accepting wrong with you and for so long I think I ruined relationships over Mike Hormone anxiety because I wasn't. Paying enough attention to it and I was letting myself spiral get out of control and it was like an out of body experience for me until I realized what it was until I went to a doctor until I got on medication that I was like, oh no, I'm not crazy. I just have some sort of imbalance in me that would be the same if I had diabetes, I would take something. So it was you know until I was in my thirties to figure that out there. So many young girls who go through. Puberty at the age of twelve or whatever age they are. Could be feeling like they're crazy and they don't know how to express how they're feeling like now it should just be something everyone. Has To do and we need to de stigmatize taking medication I mean I haven't but I know scout does I mean she won't be walking a lot. She's on medication so but it's I. You have you read untamed by Glenn Doyle. It's so funny that you say that it's in my list of books to get because. Many people. Told me about the night tonight tonight like you now. Amazon. Next day order. Do It on your frigging IPAD. It's data words. It it is. So there's a chapter where she says like here's A. Prescription Number One, take your meds number to keep taking your bags when they start working. Don't think like, okay. Like why did I ever need to take meds like cave? Yeah. Stigmatizing W. 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Was On all standby if you WANNA do it right now. I wanted to jump back to the medication for a second. I I mean I guess I've always been open about my life and my feelings that it seems so. Normal for me to share that kind of thing because I'm weirdly proud of being on something. Because it has changed my life and I always want to say like I don't I'm not going to sit here and say I'm on selects so you should like. People need to understand that they need to try different ones or not doing at all sometimes yoga can work for people. It depends on where you're at with stress but I've always just been so open like. I'm proud to say that it just changed me as a human being to go on something and I I probably would have felt a lot shaven that before therapy but now I'm like. I'm awesome. I mean you and me both girl Manto makes fun of me because we'll be ordering coffee in breeze still be doing like one bipolar. So I'm really depressed today like I say like I don't care like if I was had Iran I would tell you. I had a Migraine like and it's not that I, want the world to know it's just that I, don't want it to be this weird thing when someone says it like just say Stay on bipolar. Say depressed. You're on medication. We just gotTa like normal identity to the point where it's not a big deal in there for people can help themselves so much sooner than because they feel like it's okay. I mean I've been on every medication under the moon and I've had some traumatizing experiences with medications. So for a while, I was super anti because. I'm super sensitive like big advent one hand every day every day because it like knocked me out so much anyway. But then I bought on one year ago after Israel Israel and I have been what is it called I'm I'm I'm on the Tuta for an PROZAC yes. Yeah, and that helps that that to you. That's your. That's your down because yeah. Took me a couple of the first one I tried was still. And I it made me worse. I had the darkest thoughts in the middle of the night I get nightime sweats, outfield, GonNa Puke, and then that. So discouraging to people as well to be like, why would I try other things if it made me feel that way. But Luckily, the next one I tried was the one that we can I say one thing real quick if someone's listening. To this, because this is a really good psi if someone's listening to this and they want WanNa, go on medication do not go into psychiatrist office and just take what they tell you. Please do all of your research because they're ask what the withdrawal symptoms are asked what the red flags are. You can get off it immediately asked how long it takes because sometimes psychiatrist dislike try this. You Up. So really really comment with a list of ten questions because one medication of to withdraw from and I was crying narrowly remind my husband's like what's going on with you. Just. Make sure that you have to advocate for yourself in a psychiatrist's office. That's a really good point. When did you Will you die out by full? I if I president. So when I was fourteen and then I was diagnosed when I was twenty because. Club, Catalonia and said Co says so when I was twenty, I was diagnosed I'm about to twenty nine now. So and fifteen fifteen years. Yeah. It's been a long. It's just I. Mean I think the biggest thing I've learned is that what she has is a disease I think in the beginning I thought it was a phase or thought it was because she was at, she was lazy or something I think a lot of people have that stigma and it's something that you're were conditions to believe when we see. Someone with a mental illness and it really took her being like mad. It's a disease like I can't. I can't control this like it's like I think the biggest thing that help that helped me understand it as she went to college and loved college like had the most amazing experience. Then she couldn't get out of bed couldn't rusher chief like literal literal. Mundane things and I was like you love College I, remember I love it but like I literally depressed I. was like, oh And then I understood that it's something external to what is going on in your environment et something really really inside you that you cannot control. So it's still got so much. Let me tell you I have a coup rate. Lifelike everything on paper is just great. Thing I liked ruining it. And how much? How much has it helped you just to be aware of it and do your research and get on medication and like. Talk about it out. Loud. It took a really long time. I had to drop out a call age. I had to quit jobs anthony back in with my parents and so for a long time I was called on functioning like I cut it hold any responsibility and it wasn't until I met my husband who comes from the recovery background he's actually tenure sober name. Sorry from. And, he introduced me to support early said like really taking ownership over your healing in your recovery, and so that was when I was twenty wine and I started really taking it seriously but it took years before I was able to go back to school and start working and you know now I run my own business in so I'm highly functioning now I just know that when these moments visit me that I'm saying that I'm okay that I can let them pass just a human emotion that I'm experiencing in. There's no reason to like. Call everyone in screen nine, one, one at the top of my lungs know I'll be be okay. Yeah. That's that's incredible that you've gotten to that place and. It's so hard for people to understand obviously who don't suffer from. You know that even even depression like. When I met Jason and told him about like a go through these times every month key couldn't really wrap his head around because of the same things he's hugh so much to be great for there's sin as you said, a help Bernie, just wants to remind me of how great I'm doing and I'm like, no, I understand all that. A pretty happy person and I'm pretty confident and I do have all these things going on. But I'm just telling you that there is something that comes over me every month and it's like I'll talk through it with you if you're open to that and he was so right but it took him a little while to learn because again, it's so hard to explain to someone who doesn't experience it I know that you guys have your podcast and do talk a lot about mental health or you kind of talk about a lot of different things, right? Yeah say what we talked about how do we do? We have a lot of things that we talk about. Well, the biggest thing with us was. We believe that women are. Diverse and can have multiple interests, which is why we have a section on our podcast called current fixations where we each kind of talk about something that we're currently obsessed with, and it's only because we're so faizy and we're just so we're so interested in a lot of different aspects of the world and I don't think we need to be tied down. And like a niche and what have you I think that's a really cliche thing for people say like your knees it's like what are don't have one and what am I like a lot of things so that's kind of where we promised our podcast and we always have a female guest on which Caitlin you're going to have to come on. Okay, assist. And you know we bring on women, girl crushes that are either products that we love and female founded brands and companies. But then also influencers and obviously were huge bachelor fans. We bring on a lot of bachelor people and we just don't think that one type of woman is superior than the other I think we can have like obsessed with the bachelor, but then talk about by war disorder like it doesn't have to be one or the other. So that's kind of where as has been founded. I think because we are sisters we kind of bring this energy of Your your honestly with your sister, we kinda make people feel comfortable. So it's not like a PR stunt and I think a lot of especially if the words that come on to our like other was so easy I was like ready to like same bullet points and we're like, no, we don't. Like your your media training before coming. Just like you're you're like a cool rod shaken by owns a business leg and let's talk about. Let's talk about your skincare routine like. That's a all of the breadth of things you talk about was born. I've love where it was born. It was born at the Ohio Valley in spot we were a little drunk on Resnais and possibly had just had massages I had podcast before this and I was like don't have an episode and so we went into the business are recorded on our phone eight travel chips all the time we were a little tipsy and this is really fun and so we start head not really knowing where it would take us. It's been Super Fun. That's awesome. So how long have you guys for doing it for? Years coming up on So you had the podcast two years ago, and then that's how it. Okay. I. Don't do math. But I want it now. But that's cool because you guys are probably just proven like you can ask so many different topics and conversations with so many different women in different. Places in their life and things that they're passionate about and it's all over the map. Let's take a second. It is without a doubt that summer will look a bit different this year festivals weddings just brushing with friends. 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Right now in the world so right now we're in San Diego we reward raisins in Yego. I live in San Diego and bad lives in l. a. but she's staying with my dad for a few weeks because of quarantine south were able to be together but I drive up to La pre quarantine every other league for business for the podcast and then our mom lives up there to so. So do you guys do you ever do podcast like remotely or you guys always make sure your car while? while. We made our rule before quarantine. We would never do remote recordings because we ate technology. We don't feel like there is this energy and the similar energy, and we also just we love having the person in front of us in meeting that. So we actually swore off remote recordings that when you know Kobe hit we obviously transition like everyone. We did solo episodes I. Can't handle vote recording the guest. Yeah. So that and then we kind of eased because we knew that this is going to be on for a long time and and I know you said this on your last podcast and he said also that you've been saying a lot of ties but I will say it for you. It has opened us up to so many different guests that we would've never had the opportunity to have on because we typically only do people in Los Angeles so. From New York now we've kind of like, oh, all the floodgates will always female girl crushes eleven in York like come on. So it's actually been a blessing I mean obviously we prefer in her send because it just like it creates more of a relationship we're not the type of podcasts where you like come in also we don't do it in a studio we do at our mom's house so it's very comfortable. You're still funny more or less her county Lauren Elizabeth came over she was like I didn't even ask you like what this address could've been kidnapped now here in your home and like I'm dying like this amazing I'm in your couch I'm on a Link. And that's that's. In the studio just it feels a little. Stale and a little sterile in even end I don't know. It's just more of a fun a fun vibe for us I think people just feel so much comfortable in a home or with a blanket Orlando like. I always go back to the things that I like put myself in the picture on like yeah like at my therapist I, love cuddling up on the couch with my blanket and I bring a warm tea. Cosy in that helps me and I feel like that's the same thing with podcasting. Like just being in my Home Office having my dogs at like will this one's on my lap and not my feet like it's just there's something about it. That makes you feel more comfortable. Which I think makes you have better conversation. And it is best when he can have guests over to your home to do that. But that's yeah I mean different you guys for you. You've been just doing so great and I think it's cool that your sisters because I love my sister to death. But I know we both go crazy. If we tried to work together, meet here this all the time it's because master make real nuts before we started the podcast and we actually think we've gone into one fate in two years since the on the podcast together like. This girl I I mean I, she would do this for me but. It for her I would like literally at I'm dead serious. When I say this I would jump in front of a gun for Mexican sterlite. He ends sound like I am also older. So I have like the maternal over she would probably right away and sacrifice media. We've always been close our lives at this were only three years apart. So it's not a difference, but honestly doing the podcast together has has so close like she's my number one girl that's that's really cool. Now, I'm like we should I applaud cousin, my sister and my terrible sister I mean it's a risk. It's really a race like we and we don't. We don't advise this like don't go into a business knowing who you're going into business with and who your going to be but we really didn't think about because we didn't think it was gonna be as big as it is and influencers like nothing like we go forward. Great. That's so cool though it made your data listen. All, excited like all these people are coming on the podcast and we had a live event with calcium shell randolph in all these girls showed up like. I mean, it's weird. Nobody it's it's just you know when you're going to business with someone you really vet them and with a us a kind of just fell into place and it was we're really really fortunate that it worked out like it could have gone very solid. I think both of us were very, very different in our demeanor worked at the like we're very intense with. Work, but it's in a different way and I think kind of like the responsibilities of having a podcast just just fell into into either send I. Think we both are on the same page of who we WANNA bring on the type of women that were inspired by. So it just worked out that way I. Love that you guys have inspiring women from all. Parts of what is that same from all? Well, it's all walks of life but. But. But that means that said no but that means like. Have you. Have like people were like homeless. Risky. Maybe. I'm not. That's not a bad idea. Industries. All all in history. Mysteries but but I'm sure it's you met really inspiring homeless person you'd have them onto you. Hundred percent. Know. been through in their. Life. But I'm sure with with podcasting with or need sisters in general comes with some Kanye. Can you not oh. I think. These I want to see if they can like relate with my sister but let's do some sister edition. Can you knots? Okay let's get the first one because you already talked about. It's funny. Okay Can you not mentioned your bipolar on every episode? Scott. Mad Can you not kick no wait. We're not discussed each what are we going to say that we can discuss? Yes, she's we have a drinking game. One opening says that every time I say bipolar, you're shy. It's caused it. Just gets really ship based. Okay, Scout. Can you not kick me off the joint? Okay. CYSTIC tough. I got kicked off pickup. because an old and can't duty dances correctly, and I make rear-facing says that's not why right upon century wasn't delivering. The Gen Z. content that Mattie was so looking for. Okay. Let me speak please. Let me defend myself. Discovered TIKTOK and I was like okay like. With everything else going to be on social media I'm going to do with okay. Says Battle be the brand name and then I just kind of saw myself devoting show much time and really no no no return no return. There is no one third and I was like scout you're ruining it because like one day. I'M GONNA go viral like it's just a manifestation I, write down every day and it's just like it will happen for me and I don't want you to get any credit because I worked. So tirelessly on these stupid dances so I could. And now it is adding. Mayo, on shameless plug everyone go. Off. The Password now, your name. Talking because we're like filming like instagram thing or whatever together like I'm just wondering if I could talk to you. And I'm like. Yeah. Like humor by lake takeover the cases Tiktok in rerun me think. Change the password like there's no way for me to get in the. Created my own but I you know like I duNNo. I'm twenty and twenty nine like just not relating and I can't do the dancing like the wo- isn't working for me. Look like an idiot you know like it's just a bear. All. I think the war was already a passing trend like I, think it's gone. It's What maybe I have a chance now. You need to you need to follow the right accounts on Tiktok because I'm thirty five, and I two was feeling like I wasn't relating to anything else also what is happening? I just like I can't get down and then I start following comedians and really funny accounts and cooking accounts and like one that I actually are impressed by enter. Now my algorithm is set up that I find like the best Tiktok from it. I know I was telling her she was what does she talk brand be and I was like you should say you should do like empowering messages scalise like really spiritual and I'd bring up Salinas is in her definitely. Wonder Join Talknet, Jones lunatics off how excited. excited. Much? She is literally an old grandma. So it's like you should say like inspired things and then I don't know I don't think it took off it just it just didn't really work for you. You know what ticked up not everybody. I've seen some really terrible ones be viral. So don't be too hard on yourself because. It you or you could just keep going because sometimes the terrible ones. Terrible, but sometimes, the terrible ones go viral. So who knows, Yup, one of mine went like semi viral and it was one of my wheat lake dumbest wines I was so pissed myself because I was just like forgot to put the sixty seconds on and you put no it wasn't that when he was the one where I was speaking to the camera but. It was good but it was call me scouts. So four videos. Key. Now, don't well Kalemie on instagram. Let please don't look a metric. Yards. Definitely checking out. Okay. I signed up for basis little the big whatever whatever I'm gonNA. Get a little Yeah. I had orientation today and they were like part of the thing is that we do a google search and I'm like. Oh. Oh like by Bikini Picture. Okay. Is My podcast not? Okay. Like is lead. I came up from by Roller and I'm doing pretty well, I've wanted offer to a seven year old. You'd buy maybe I talk about sex too much like navy AL encourage the kids to masturbate without a guy like I don't know if I'm the right person for this but I believe in my heart I am. You know what? That's I don't know how those systems worker with. That is the kind of big sister we. were. You know just like somebody that does have that honesty and isn't afraid to those things and I think that's a role model if you ask me yeah apparent has to bet me do. Fine if If, they don't approve you. Then they're not for you. Are you have so much to offer scall-? You'll find the right little girl that you are meant to me with an should undertake talk star she's like on like the. It'll be like, help me help you. You'll. You'll be there for each other in me famous on. tectonics God. She's going to be the thing that makes you go viral they're. Good. All right I have to tell you something. So the other day I was wearing the cutest new white shirt feeling. Great about it. Next thing you know spilled on myself way to go caitlyn but seriously, I had to throw this white shirt in the trash because I couldn't get the stain out of it. No matter what I tried that is until I tried oxy clean white revive oxy clean white revive. Dingy whites bringing them back to brilliant and bright, and it's safe on colors to this is a serious game changer. It has forty percent more whitening power than chlorine bleach per load without any of the negatives that come along with using chlorine bleach. It can save those items you thought were ruined and heading for the trash had happened to me on more than one. You gotTa Try oxy clean white revived laundry whitener and stain remover for yourself to work your magic with oxy clean go to oxy clean dot com slash try me and order a free sample that's oxy clean dot com slash t. r. y. m. e. for a free stain fighting sample while supplies last. One, can you not have? Yeah, we need to Oh. This is my other one. Can you not get your wallet every time we go to dinner together. Classic sister. That's a classic sister metals that's for. Universal thing. If you have a sister you have and if you're a little sister like, may you've done this I did that to my sister all the time like when when when I lived at home or like anytime we did something it was my mom's birthday. Dad's father's Day whatever it was my sister's like, do you want me to just put your name on it? Because we all know I'm going to buy it and I was like, yes, knees. It's it's what little little sisters are four. Yeah. We're there to have t rex arms and not. I'm that's incredible. Yeah. You know it's not the best for me but will. You know she'll get you back sometime. Sometimes she asked me asked her to come to wind down the road like only come if you buy me a barefoot blanket shit as what you're worth a hundred and thirty dollars an hour. Therefore? Dreams. What is that? It's hard. Cash Ian Blinking. No No. No it's the display that everyone. Actually it's like buried there but they're like three dollars or Elizabeth place and you gotTa like Scouts GonNa buy that one day. Why don't know three hundred dollars for the blanket apparently, it's like life changing. Three hundred dollars an hour have wine. She knows her work. I'm. Okay, my next one is, can you not only drink sobbing on block? So scouse a little snob as we interested in the beginning in the beginning of this episode and I've actually been getting into natural wines and my boyfriend hasn't been a big wine drinker but then lately, exciter. Let's. Contradictory but natural winds tastes like. You're not taking the right wives. anyways. So he the ones that said. The other ones you give me taste like outsider I've been giving her own wines, which is this in love orange wines. On. Scou- weirdly always that's what I'm saying can you not only drinks? Like it's Giving her these really nice bottles of wine like me and my boyfriend have been we're we're like drinking up a storm you're in quarantine and trying all these amazing winemakers are like dairy like Batikhi and It's really cool to discover all these new people and it's very trendy I don't know. I. Feel like your national, right? Yeah. Yes. I feel like I feel like I'm going to try yours. Yes. You have to try mine what we have. Of course we've try ever try. But I see it everywhere and if I'm sending some white and you have to pretend you love it. Not. have. Avenue Blank. But I. Order but I've been doing some bowls in everybody wants to sack on. So I think we're GONNA do it next. Meeting. I will be the first person to try that out. On customer sold. As. You can give it a few more than I will be glad to be for his scripture. We'll be right back with more off the vine rate therapy. I'm Bella Benson. Welcome to another episode with me on to be. Answered all of us saliva into my mouth. Swallow trying to swallow it as his tongue is just like doing its thing like all the way down my throat mortified. Like I wasn't scared anymore. Admit when I need and tasks what I need and I just feel like it's like a whole new dating chopped for me. Honestly. I type in you and instead of going to youtube a went to you port. Check out too tired to be crazy on apple podcasts spotify and podcast more. This is off the vine grapes. which is a real problem for me. It's it's It's a trauma. Can you not punch me in the Vagina Oh is that a thing? Oh, you've no idea. Yeah. Hate. My bone pubic following right just like her. I, screaming my dad and. He's punching in the giant again, nobody comes to my rescue is this when your kids are now now been last week I can near me and I flinched. So let me. Explain. Yourself I'M GONNA questions so Scout is very vulnerable and a brings me the utmost joy to catch her at the most raw moments when she is just standing in the corner of the room with. Lhasa why? And I go over there. Thinking that you know she thinks I'm GonNa. Talk to her I. Don't know. I. Just I I just surprise are with a big punch to the. Vagina. Badge right in the badge and she deserves it. Bone like the Badge Bom. Like. Inside going at the top like. Landing Strip would be like where he's going now that I just weirdly touched that you just to see. The video level and that's gotTa hurt if. It's a ball. The moral of the story is that I would take a bullet for my sister poetry in the vagina. You know what? That's what we're calling. PP wack release. Next to make. I like. So we're that WANNA try it. On my sister. Right on Jason but I would like babies. Like very sad. That these. Young a man it's a little different for a man with us we don't have. As much only do it to your sister, right? To this random women on the street. Trend the new, challenge. RBC. Gosh what have we started. Oh Non spritzing. She may be tweeting on the AC off because we didn't want it to interfere with every day I actually just went on and I was like, Oh, I wonder if they could hear that. Again we're good. Gut. I think those are all the can you not right I love it I. Love the sister. Can you not like the did with sister a long time ago Which is always fun. It's always I I ran out of Kenya, not ideas, and it was really exciting for me to bring that with you guys. So thank you for doing that with me. And also just thank you for being on the podcast and thank you for your openness to everything you talk about and and just normalizing what should be normalized and being open and funny about you know just real life shit I absolutely love it and I would like to be on your podcast will definitely set that up. Until everybody where they can listen to your podcast and finding guys especially onto dot. Com matty's at ninety man like you don't need to Butler if anything go to ask okay. Since podcast on the all the places you listen to podcasts. That's okay. A. Y. Saints Sis in you could find on Instagram at Oak podcast and if you like me more than not, you'll follow me at scouts sobel on Tiktok. Off Thank the Yuki Live for having us this is such a dream among giving away that easily I just realized that I didn't get you guys to confess. End A podcast without. A we've been thinking long and hard about. Interviewed wastes you thought about something for re and I favorite part of the podcast. So I might confession. Scout only never like discern treatment I think we figured it out and Scout. When I was in high school with my cousin actually we broke up we were together in school. We broke up after you together and then he broke up and then you're you're married. We was Amalgamated Age, but I was in high school and we were shopping which we still do like I love that you know door I love that when we driving through the mansions of San Diego and we saw a mansion and we said that's the house we're GonNa live together. When we're older, we love everything about it I mean we're talking like a seven five to ten million dollar house like it's a huge mansion and my husband being the mischievous man that he has said Hey I don't think any that house right now. So we go to the door and it's completely under construction like totally renovated like totally dusty boards everywhere like no catch Jim nothing's. So. We break into the House and we're walking around this huge mansion, and then we find one room with one bed her victory made and I lost my virginity that right? And and the alarm went off in the middle of the sexual intercourse and we had to throw our clothes on and run very far away. Oh, wait. Where did the alarm come from like just notice did not moment you're. The Sex? Yes it was crazy. I was like what the hell is happening and so that's how I lost my virginity. That's great. Loss of virginity loss story. Yes. Yeah. That's it's to my now husband which really brings it full circle naturally sweet. That's actually quite romantic yet. Sparks novel yet you really are what would really like been full circles if you guys actually did buy that house. After. Give me a few. Thousand. Dollars. One day we well, I'M GONNA knock. Aibo aside about if they knocked on their door. You. Know. Fat. Married. Now because of this, House I that's so cute. Yeah. I like that one. All right, everyone. Let's take a second talk about self care and comfort. 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Cramps everything that goes with it. The carefree breathe pads are actually comfortable and help you get through the night, which is very important. They're not. You're tasting at all and keeps things dry and breathable down there and I love that when I use these products I don't have to worry about my period, which let's me focus more on important things and helps me get to get through that week pretty much pretty much stress-free. For more information to buy check out on Amazon, or WALMART DOT COM or you may find it at your local grocery store or CVs arenas with yours. Okay. So my confession it's actually very it's very in tune with the current times of the zoom recordings. So. My fulltime job. I work at a Tech Company and we. We work with developers in the Middle East. These are men in the Middle East and we have early morning calls with them because they're in the Middle East and usually I just need to listen in on these calls. I don't really need to participate and it's you know it's like seven thirty in the morning. So I'm getting out of my shower and just you know like. The zoom is programmed so that the video does not come on any other time that I've ever been on this call. And I was coming out of the shower and like, Oh, I got to turn it on. And I, turn it on and a Lo and behold out baby this tits were off. Zoo Shit. On your thank God I go the Middle Eastern men were not on the on the call yet only one woman colleague was odd and I realized obviously very quickly got. freaked out and. So in couldn't God really really bad but. It did have a little discussion in our team like, Hey, let's. Let's Fisher that we don't answer the zoo with our kids hanging out and Yeah. It was a nightmare but I learned my lesson with a group like email like subject not on. No tits on zoom meetings please. Respectful of the People Oh, my God, it was a nightmare. So thank God. It wasn't as bad as it could have been but still like I'm traumatized every time I turn on zoom now. Am I am I covered like am I okay nightmares you know when you sleep naked and then you have nightmares at your naked in front of people you by Zoom titties out. Incredible those are great confessions I was asking. One of my. Girls on my team. She always pre listened to the podcast and I said, have I talked about my period panties on my confession and she was like I don't think so. But I, really feel like I did. So this might be a repeat and if it is I'm sorry to everybody but. I've never gotten to a point in my relationships where my significant other will do my laundry It's I just like to keep it separate. You know women in their undies and stuff happening down there and IT'S Guys who don't grow sisters like they don't understand and so. I guess he was just being kind and like through in my colors with. Everything else and he looked at me like out of the laundry room like. Babe and I was like what and he was like. You have brown spots on your panties. My reaction was my period panties. My God. Somewhat mortified an I don't get embarrassed easily especially in front of him like everything's. On the table with US except for period fans thing is I feel like men think. Is like red and blood, and what's actually like a red stain where it is not as frown is real yeah. Yeah lagging. Yeah it was I was like, yes. My period pennies like not a thing I was like it was. Really, is do minor basically like I'm like to explain it like you know when adult have their blankie still a child and it's like threads and shreds. and. It's like embarrassing. That's my period panties. They're literally like just entangled threads in strings hanging out and I'm like just hanging onto the I I'm like well, not getting sexy right now so I should have a separate door of this. It's such a tree talking to you ladies. You're both just my kind of people and I really enjoyed this conversation of thank you for being on the Bod and. Chat and figure at a time for me to come on yours. Hopefully I would I don't know you're recording schedule but. I'm trying to do everything I need to do before I go out to La. So the dancing with a straw. Find. I I think I cried when I saw my. Gosh it was so emotional and I think I heard me say something about manifesting. So I'm like okay if you could just please manifest the miracle for me, that will be right up I mean we were like a dancer, your dancer in. Is Your though going into a dancer I think that's a lot of pressure on me and ballroom dancing is a completely the ball room dancing game a by ballroom. Meet, rooting for you. One hundred percent kager got everybody needs to get their voting. Thumbs ready and. Make. Sure make. Our the we how are they doing that with with quarantine is? Just testing you ever E.. S.. Team. I'm assuming no live audience, but they haven't said anything yet. I think they're just going week by week right now what's going on in the world? So I still don't know many details. You know who your partner is probably won't can't say you don't. Not Know until we walk in, I think really get the reaction on cameras at the I don't think we find out a while. How do you feel I mean we can ask you our podcast. We'll. We'll ask you on our I wanted to ask you about entering another reality TV show if that nervous yet it I, have our conversation about this I will definitely tell you. Awesome. Maybe, so much and Let's take like somehow picture y'all GonNa say let's do a quake night here. Good Lord. How did he just screen shot from do is GonNa do sell out or no Wait Elizabeth but Elizabeth. Well. No. You're going to be listening to be half. Level, is. Perfect. On. Our. INSTAGRAM. Take me I'm going to creepy is right now do. We Love You Thank you so much by. 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