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OWL Once Was Lost Podcast-001 OWL Once Was Lost App Creator Nick Conway
"In your Welcome to the OWL once was lost. podcast this is drew your host. Some of you may recognize me from the pull up a few podcast. They're coming over here to listening on this incredible creation and I'm GONNA be interviewing peak reader of the OWL application white partnered with breath and this application it's the most comprehensive worldwide real time iphone and ANDROID APP to help users find the missing. It can can be a runaway. It can be a person with the that's mentally challenged a person with dementia And our worst fears abducted child again. The key word here is real time and We'll explain that nickel. Explain that to you kind of how that works and you know why he created the APP just wanted to make a real quick announcement that our last episode for a I pull up a few podcast on the Bethel Baptist boys and girls home called series where it is waiting for my co host Jessica. Unfortunately she had broken leg was much worse than they thought it was. So she's been in the hospital for a few weeks so everybody can. Yeah send some some prayers and good vibes her way as she gets better soon. We'll get back on in them. We'll get that episode out. Everybody because I know everything was is building up to that last episode and we really do. We've got some absolutely incredible things to explain to you there about about the The caller experience in the escape and all how that ended up so anyways nick. How're how you doing hi? I'm good how are you doing the good. Hello everyone thanks for having me on through and get well soon Jessica a thank you thank. You shall hear that too. She will. So Nick as I said is the creator of the application portion. Shen of this partnership this is. This is the first of its kind effort as well. I had thought of doing a podcast ask for cold cases and I was very close Doing Nadan possibly hooking up with a pretty big organization But then I started good at thinking of missing persons. Well how could I. How could I create something or do something that would be faster than what the local law enforcement would be able to do since you know they usually have twenty four forty eight hour waiting period and I was like all the you know? You gotTa have an APP so obviously i. The APP stores is he will people were doing in noticed. Were few there but the hour will once was lost application nations just popped out at me and I immediately knew I I had to contact The person that had created this. That was Hopefully no reason for me to kit to build one and if we just partner together because it is miles ahead of the other applications out there that Do the same thing now. Not Talking bad about them in obviously a nope we send them good five as well and he any anybody. That's out there. That's helping to find a missing whether it's an adult or a child serves definite kudos. It's just this particular application has So many features and will have additional features that they're working on right now. So why don't you tell everybody. What made you decide to create this up? Yeah it was the same idea that you had Event with my children in the summertime. A few years back and I had a brief separation from them and Scary yeah it was for a quick second and I'm sure a lot of people have experienced experienced that himselves You know I quickly came to realize that they had ran off with my cousin So I was able to find them quickly but it was a couple days. Yeah it was a couple of days later though when I was recalling that just like you I realized there needed to be An immediate or a faster response in a situation like that where someone has A loved one. Go Missing and you cannot wait for for the more slow response that comes along with using the police force you know absolutely yeah so I kind of came up with the processes and concepts and I took it to a developer to see what we could do to bring that to fruition. I think it came out great. I really do And so again. We'll talk about this in a second Couple of additional features that he's working on everything. Everything takes time so you know people just just be patient but everything is set up right now. you know God forbid something happens you can download download it and Get your information on there immediately and I keep saying again. That at keyword is in real time now. Why you know the PODCASTS? Well number one. I WanNa make sure that people understand that this is not a true crime. podcast okay I actually actually. Have you know a little bit of a problem with some of these true crime pie castle Not all of them. There's some there's some good ones out there but for the most part a lot of them I feel are taking advantage of this situation You know making tons of money and not even providing the information on who to contact you know if it is about a missing person or especially coal cases You know just just just again providing a tips the phone line a phone numbers anything it just as simple as that would help and unfortunately a lot of them. Don't do that so this this is more about the individuals. It's not about me I'm sure nick would say the same things that I saw about. Oh him it's it's about the families and obviously the people that are that are missing that we need to locate as quickly as possible because sir very short window. They're about to about an hour or so especially with the trial that they go missing. It's usually close to home from and the other thing Shop let nick explain you guys out all works but yet the child usually goes missing really close close to home and then that's when an abductor just happens to come along and I don't think people realize but over over eight hundred thousand kids go missing every year now most of them are found but still that number is staggering. And obviously there's the massive number that that do not enter are still missing a lot of obviously become cold cases so again. Why or why? We're doing this. A podcast is going to be used to hopefully interview the family members as fast as possible as well as close to real time as possible possible. Obviously it's it won't be real time but it might be a could be the same day actually could be but Hopefully within a couple of days of the person being listed as as missing that we can do an interview in that way people can hear the information That's not In the APP itself even though. It's very comprehensive. You'RE GONNA get a lot more information directly from the family so that the idea and then to have tip lines and emails because people will also opt to provide information to podcasts. Pass that do this as opposed to law enforcement For whatever reason that's just the way things are I mean that's actually how it works in the real world with with crimes there's been unwanted. Studies have been done like that. That was very famous done with a woman that was being fortunately About one hundred people heard it. Nobody did thank so People for whatever reason just don't trust law enforcement while they should but it's okay we're here so you know again. We'll have ways for people to Provide tips and information on any of the missing people if they do have that Even theories of what's going on if it's if it's a cold case so Nick Glenn I apologize. Rain will near the water. All the features. There's in the APP work. Well it has a lot of great features actually I A new user needs to download download the APP on apple or Android and register and account of so. That's just your your home details Name Name Address Trust Cetera. And then you know if that person becomes or has a loved one. Go missing or loss you Simply upload the details of that individual into the APP and then you initiate your lert not spread out immediately to the entire network Each each registered user Participating would receive that alert on there. Phone as a drop down tab and then you can go onto a user map and you can see all the other people that are in your area so you can establish almost a grid right close to wherever. Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah you'll you'll see the individual it'll be highlighted with a red icon on the user map and you can initiate a chat and share information with that individual and you can set up like a grid system Almost if there's enough people in your immediate area and then you could turn that you know. somewhat devastating feeling into more reassuring or culpable events you know Leaning on the people around you to maybe help participate in finding that missing person. I'm thinking everything you're talking talking about their thinking in my head is as you're talking about it could could literally be set up within hours Getting any information on there obviously is is immediate. It's it's it's fast you know and it's GonNa get out there and everybody but when you're talking about you know setting up a grid organizing nine people in that particular area things of that nature. Yeah we'll talk to you exactly so the other users receive your alert and they can check on the map and see how close they are to you and then really that gives you all those extra is on the situation to be aware of your person and and and hopefully hopefully you know bring them back a lot sooner than they need to be lost for that stinky. That's it bring them back and that is brings up another incredibly important point here folks. Everybody that's listening needs to obviously download the application But they need to let their friends though they need to get on. FACEBOOK need to get on twitter date. They need to get this to friends family as many as people so as possible. Obviously it's a free APP But look this. This will not work without volumes of people all across the nation. Listen in all of the major cities in all of the rural areas. I'm just the entire country. The that's the goal here understand that. I'll take a little time but you know that's that's only gonNA happen if you guys out there that are listening can spread that news as well and of course Nicotine will be doing that on our own and our friends and family members will do the same thing. But it's it's volume it's all about volume. It's it's gotTa have tons of people same thing with the podcast when people listen and we have a case right now in in just before we get off a mention Internet Do you guys Just a little bit about what that's about but Yeah volume in as many people as possible right. That's right the more people that participate Is More is on the situation when we need them and I know that unaided this is something that I ask. Nick do in force it will take a little bit of time but hopefully end guarantee but for us to have I have a cold case section as well because of course not unfortunately on every single person that pops up missing You know it will be found. I say that I it makes me emotional even think about but you know it. It's going to happen. This is reality and after a week or two of politically some. The detectives had resigned to case depending on how big of an area it is The individuals themselves are so many factors. Actually go into this You can't list them all here but usually a week two weeks three three weeks or if it's getting national attention Like that that girl that went missing I can't remember where it was in Iowa or something but just this last last year but so yet these national ones. They'll usually go a little bit longer. But these other cases won't I mean after a week you know. There's another to three four missing people being reported and obviously they need to get onto those cases. Well so you know when we're not here to bad mouth law enforcement. It's not their fault. You know most of the time they mean well they will do everything possible to try to locate that. The person in the time that they have available you know helicopters again was talking about with the grids and firefighters just about everybody but then You know eventually it's going to become a cold case. That's when we need to get in their interview. The family members again. Keep the case in a light get with Media as well which will which we would do And to continue to put pressure Asher back hormone enforcement and also on new sources to keep that person's name in the public's eye and ears. Yeah and and and the larger our network can become it removes that extra burden from law enforcement so they can work on the more serious cases. Even I think that you know waiting If it works as designed a an and the network response we can reduce those number of cases that go two police recovering those individuals. Well before the police would even need to be involved. You know if you have to wait twenty four hours to report missing person or becomes look after hopefully within a person on the other side of the country and in twenty twenty four hours exactly. Yeah yeah the numbers are remarkable as far as missing persons You know they say every forty seconds someone. A child L. becomes missing or abducted race most of the time. They're quickly found some cases. Go beyond that but if we all could get mike in your situation the you mentioned like you're in a store or outside a fair you turn away for a second. You're traveling right. That happens every drop it. You know every every few seconds yeah and then all of a sudden you find me on another aisle or something. That's just tapping. Everyone has had that panic before. I'm sure Yup absolutely yes or if you have kids guys near listen to this in you. Don't download this application that. Do not think that this cannot happen to you in and I know that that's usually the the problem. Psychologically with these types of issues because the last in the you I think It's it's a horrible situation but you've you've got to accept that. It does not discriminate in K.. It does not matter if you're rich or poor or your ethnicity you or your sex. It doesn't matter A this can happen to anybody at any time in a motte saying that scare anybody. This is just the truth so you know this is just the simplest thing you can do. It only takes a minute. Download that APP the Go subscribe to the podcast. So you know it's there for you gotTa make the decision to to do it. I'm Komo news was something real quick because I'm sure a lot of people are gonNA think this and it's something that I thought of as well that can happen but obviously somebody reporting. Somebody's being missing but they're not they're pulling a hoax or is there. Is there any way to prevent that. I don't think there really is hundred percent way to to prevent that. I don't think that there there is really. We have to hope that everyone is using the service As it's intended to get everyone excited were worried about a person. That really isn't missing regatta. Hope that there's more people out there that are participating in this With the best intentions. Well I think we're technology the way it is today Emma tracking features. You know somebody actually did that did it. On an application Like that which has all kinds of laws in an things built into itself on a national level through through the government. Even so if you're if you did something that you'd be in an awful lot of trouble I guarantee you that that would be a chargeable offense number one or two. They're more than likely more likely they're going to be able to track you down. That's right yeah it's going to happen. So yeah and it's just real do it's just really disappointing. Misuse of the service. And we hope we can use it legitimately and and and and spoke on the positive issues that it can they can turn around for everyone. Yep same thing like on the podcasting with things that I have to deal with it. It's a conversation with somebody or you know we're dealing with a cold case were the one that I'm actually working on now which I'll mention here in just a couple of minutes but when when you're dealing with conversations you know you gotta use the right. Verbiage is so it's Kinda the same thing like you know allegedly and you know or mentioned people people that this is this from secondhand source notices something that we can't back up But you know this was allegedly said so you know something looking at. We have to take into consideration as well. It's just the way that it is this day in age but to not do that that everything you know. We'll run smoothly on both sides so Anything else Nikki can think of. I know the sites astound right. Now right you guys doing a little bit of work on it and does that apply to the application or can they go download the APP. The APP now is available for download yet. We are working on an update for it. But that doesn't stop anyone from using it as it's intended right now. The website it is. The website is a net. Wasn't that being more on. I think we got the a website back up again. I'll just wasn't sure owl. Once was lost dot com. There's a lot of good information. On their explains the APP we have a great Animated explainer video and Yeah the the biggest thing is that this project cannot fly without as many people as we can gather to participate in on You know it's really goal absolutely absolutely and so with that. I'll mention what we're working on right now There is a missing Person Unfortunately came up Deceased Hasas gives me chills even just talking about it I really do. I get really emotional things like this. But when you download the application You seem his name. Is Jeffrey Vance in curtain. In Oregon. went missing but I contacted his family and his mother who's just amazing amazing woman Just destroying as a as a tiger and is Sweet as as an angel brings Angela but Goes by Angel and she really is his name Joel. So we're GONNA work on a multi part series about the guest appearance because there is a lot a lot of a very suspicious activity She's not getting help from law enforcement And this is unfortunately one of those cases they were. I feel that they're you know they're not paying attention to her. For some specific reasons that will mention to you. Once we we release the podcast will probably be Three possibly for that that. There's that much information out there and usually these. PODCASTS will run about an hour to an hour and a half in length and then if we need to do a follow up to a follow up but so that's why we need you guys to download again. Download the application download serve. Subscribe to the podcast. I if you haven't yet please give it five stars if you know how that works guys it. It's not a review okay. That's that's how you get found. It's so vitally important. I've been fighting people at my pool up you. I have a five rating Everybody is he's giving me a five rating but there is not enough. I need more. You literally need to have up no probably over a thousand. which isn't that many many? Think the the the bigger scheme of things of the number of people are actually listening to a podcast. But you just gotTa take that one set go gown hit the stars five stars even have three It doesn't even matter but as long as we get those done and then the podcast will start to move up and will start to show up in suggestions and then of course more people will subscribe where people will hear about it which also will mean more people will download the application Asian. These of course on every episode going to be talking about that I out the partnership in about downloading The OWL once was lost to application. This can all work together. So that's it nick. Thank you so much Thanks for making this application I personally think that there's no coincidences In the reasons that we we met that Angela talking about that as well that you know everything happens for a reason for everything that we can to try to get some answers for for her. There's no guarantees but we're going to do everything possible. I'm GonNa do everything that I can speaking to local local news again Getting the story because it's it's been a number of months since this all happened and they found him again unfortunately deceased so please send her prayers and good vibes and be ready for that will let everybody know At some point down the road I think nick right on the APP but again you know be down the road you probably would be able to subscribe on the application application as well for the podcast yet. That's hopefully try for that yet. Cove Yup All right thank you. Thank you guys for listening. Yeah Nick thanks for being on really appreciated This is GonNa be Great. I absolutely know that we are going to locate servicing people and again just one more time. Please get this out on facebook twitter any any major platforms alleged. Many people know about it as he can. And why winding downloaded again because it each numbers. That's the only way that's going to work. So that said everybody have a great a gay and Look under your subscription for the episodes to cook get uploaded here properly within the the next week. Okay thanks thanks bye bye.
The Polaroid Missing Person Cases Overview
"Welcome to the once was lost podcast. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A. Deep dive in the checking out three different cases of missing young people that are very much in this site geist. Of Missing Persons Cases, I'm going to be reading from an article actually I since this is so comprehensive and we don't have sponsors to be concerned with the moment. So we'll do a dive into each of these cases later, totally done separately by the research team will dive in each one of them for now, we want to remind everyone that we are retool for the owls was lost missing person's application. It's a free APP of course, and it is the single most important APP. You can have on your phone if you have kids elderly parents or a family member with dementia or Alzheimer's and manages to possibly wander off that I live here in Florida and trust me that happens quite often. without anybody seeing them, it literally can be the difference in life or death in his case. Abducted children have a six percent chance of being found alive. If they're not found within that first crucial our it's unacceptable. Especially knowing that this APP is here and free being put together by Nick Conway after his own child went missing in a store. So he was so affected by this that he created the APP for all of you and the friends and family. Members you tell about this super yet so simple. And important application. We also getting some support even though we haven't asked for any on Patriae on. funds to make sure the APP can be maintained properly and be available twenty, four, seven God forbid the worst does occur any need literally tens or hundreds of thousands of people out there with your info on the missing person in question so we can locate them in real time and within that first crucial our which we have. Actually shot at doing unlike an amber alert amber alerts are fine but are restricted usually only. So call safe cases where persons searching cannot be put endangers way. A lot of people don't realize that this means that not all missing children get put on an amber alert amber alert system is also over twenty years old. And it has never assisted in locating in actual abducted child. So this APP. The OWL missing persons APP for Apple and android devices is so crucial as well as subscribing to this podcast hitting the five stars for us so that we will be suggested by apple and also downloading and giving this selfless application, a five star rating as well. So both of them were together as tools here. So we also want to officially begin asking for Patriot support because we are growing, and that's a great thing but it does come with challenges and we need the help it's crucial and could be the difference for any one of you in an emergency situation we only asset maybe if you can afford two dollars a month to go to the. WWW DOT patriots dot com forward slash a saunder production in sign up and be a producer of the podcast and the will application. So that's patriotic. Dot Com. That's P.. A. T. R.. E. N. dot com forward slash and then a saunder production. That's a s o n D. E. R. P. R. O. D. U. C. T.. O. N.. Be a part of the solution. That as we grow and y'all grow with us. We will absolutely be able to find missing persons within a rabid timeframe if indeed, they are within a four forty mile. Radius and you have that ready to go immediately we also have a three dollar and five dollars not tear if you can afford it anything feel comfortable with and that two dollars can literally be the reason the Al App. Crosses. The entire nation evenly packed with people just like you who want to be a part of the solution and to never see any of these horrific events happen to them friends or family or just even your neighbor no one should have to lose your child while the while this hour lab and podcast is available. That's what I'm trying to get across here. So please go ahead and smashed the five star review for US please. Get the APP subscribe now if you haven't already so let's get started. So we're dealing with these chilling photographs that are linked mysterious vanishing. Vanishing and bizarre deaths, and this is from an article written by Brent sweltered on June sixteenth two, thousand seventeen, and again, we're just using this right now because it's got all three cases blended together. So it's comprehensive and don't mind using it because then we're going to dive into each one of these cases individually at a later date I should let you guys to. We're going to be doing in episode from somebody that I actually know that went to prison for murdering his girlfriend who has a horrific. Event and I just want to interview this guy and get into his head and understand what happened here. What what went wrong. You know obviously domestic abuses a huge issue. in country and we WANNA. Find Out. You know how how do we prevent this from happening and I think obviously going directly to the source is the way to do that. We do have a missing person that's on the OWL application right now we're going to be speaking with the family this upcoming leak because it's from event about ten years ago. I believe is actually when the person went missing aren't adult. So that's why it's a little bit different than than being child and it was uploaded much much. Later the family does want to know where this person is just to at least know that they're okay and were going to help them. We're GONNA do everything that we possibly can to help them locate. This missing family member. Okay. So in the world vanished people, there's often no concrete evidence to go on our minds are forced to imagine their last moments, their fates projected upon the screens of our imaginations with every individual perhaps picturing it differently. However they say a picture is worth a thousand words and in some mysterious disappearances, there is a bizarre photographic evidence left behind. Hinting at the fate of these people who have stepped off the face of the earth. These are peeks into the macabre last minute images of the vanished a look through the window of the unexplained into a place where we have a chance to glimpse the answer to these riddles forever preserved in photographic form time frozen for these lost souls who still wonder out, pass the periphery of our understanding. These are cryptic clues etched onto film immortalized perhaps forever, beckoning and taunting us from the fringes of. So one well known and spectacularly creepy such case of the vanishing of nine year old Michael Henley and nineteen year old Tara Calico who had no relation and did not know each other but who separate baffling disappearance is would nevertheless converge in a rather spooky and bizarre manner. The first advantage was Hanley. When he disappeared on April twenty first of nineteen eighty-eight during a family camping trip to the also Ridge area of these Zuni mountains in New Mexico in the United States, he would never be seen alive again and no trace was found of him at the time despite massive intensive searches unfounded by major storm that hampered efforts at the time. That same year at nine thirty am on September Twentieth Nineteen eighty-eight Teenager Tara Calico left her home to go on a bike ride along highway forty seven near her home in Billon New Mexico although she was in good spirits when she left and showed no signs if anything Amiss, she told her mother Patty Dole to come looking for her. If she did not return by noon, this would prove to be a rather spookily prophetic thing to say. In retrospect indeed she did not return by noon and when her mother went to drive around and see if she was just late, tear was nowhere to be found and the mother was alarmed define the cassette tape tear had been listening to lying on the ground lost alongside the highway neither do know that the tape she had been listening to was Boston I remember that specifically believe it was their first album, which is which was huge success. Nasty I remember that but I do everybody back then had walkmans. So it's Kinda like your ipod today, but you had to walk back. Then the older listeners will know what I'm talking about and it was basically a cassette player, but it was very small and carry it around with you. So Tara, Calico authorities were seen notified and the last time anyone could remember seeing her was around eleven forty five am riding along the highway listening to her walkman some witnesses claimed that. They had seen a light colored nineteen, fifty three Ford pickup with a camper shell driving behind her but it was rather unclear if this had anything to do with his disappearance whether they were just friends of hers or were simply. Just. Some people harmlessly passing by and no one actually saw her have an altercation with or get abducted by anyone after a thorough search of the area. The only sign of terror that would turn up was that fragmented pieces of that broken Walkman found at a nearby camping area and Tara Calico seem to have completely vanished into thin air. At the time it was not immediately thought that she had been kidnapped or met with any foul play and it was suspected that she may have just ran away yet according to her family. She had never shown any desire to do any such thing had no reason to escape her life. However, the grim possibility that she had been taken by somebody was certainly there overhanging everything and the broken walkman was a potential clue for this. Exactly. Why would you find it broken in this camping area? And obviously not find her anywhere near their despite looking into every lead and scant piece of evidence they could find authorities were not able to track, tear it down and the case went ice cold. That is until a rather chilling discovery was made in June of nineteen, eighty, nine on June fifteenth nineteen, Eighty, nine, a woman in port. Saint Joe Florida about sixteen hundred miles from new. Mexico found a rather sinister polaroid photograph lying discarded in a grocery store parking lot off route ninety eight. Disturbing photograph showed a young woman and a bull in a boy on bedsheets in what seems to be perhaps the back of the van or another large vehicle with their hands apparently bound and duct tape over their mouths. As Stare blankly at the camera, there is giving nothing away. I've seen the picture and I see terror in there is to be honest besides the woman. Can Be seen a copy of the novel my Sweet Adriana by V. C. Andrews V. C. Andrews was extremely popular back. Then especially with females wrote a book called flowers in the Attic and I'm not sure if my sweet audrain is part of that series more than likely it is but maybe some of you guys can can let me know that. was found to have been terrorist favourite author although their faces a rather obscure by the tape, the woman Boris striking resemblance to you the missing Tara Calico and when tears mother saw, she became certain that it was her daughter especially considering that there was some discoloration seen on the woman's leg that matched up with a scar on his own leg that plus the presence of the book strongly suggested that this was a picture of the missing woman and that she was in deep trouble. I know that people bring up the author was so intensely popular at that time that it really wouldn't make a difference but you you put this scar on her leg, which is. kind of a darkish area and you take into account the book that she's reading any look at her face compared to pictures of her. and to me. This looks like Tara. so that mysterious Tara Calico Fodio photo, even weirder and creepy are still the boy in the picture with strongly believed to be the missing Michael. Hanley. Witnesses told authorities that a white cargo van had been parked in that spot where the polaroid was found but extensive searches and roadblocks could not locate the vehicle in order to question the driver. who was described as being a white male in his thirties with a moustache it is unknown where the van went were. If it had any connection at all to the photograph, although some have speculated that the picture would have actually even been taken in that van will probably never know. But. The COBB case captured the imagination of the public and as authorities poured over the photograph in any clues or delete, it could find within it. The case was featured widely in the media and on various TV shows such as, of course, America's most wanted and the current affair which generated a massive amount of tips but none of them lead anywhere in the meantime speculation swarmed around the case many strongly believing that the woman in that photograph. To be indeed the missing Tara suggesting that she had been abducted although the perpetrator in their motives remain to be. `Nigma. Yet. It was not known for sure nor was known whether she was even alive or not at the time when Sheriff for Neighbor Vera From Flimsy County New Mexico express the assertion that not only was terror most likely abducted and. Murdered but that had been carried out by a local group of people who knew her in subsequently covered up saying The individuals who did harm to tear know who she was. They know who she was in there all local individuals and I believe that the parents of the attackers in quotes were some of the people that help the individuals with hiding the truth or hiding the body or trying to escape persecution. You know it's very frustrating being that there is a lot of people that know what happened. They know the whereabouts of the body or the remains believed the body is nearby close quote. There is also the observation that might not have even been her at all and this assertion was bolstered when it was found that the boy in the polaroid could not have possibly been Michael. Hanley. Because his body would eventually be found in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety near the campsite where he had originally disappeared Michael's parents had previously been sure that this was their son in the photo but an autopsy would show that he had died of exposure in the outdoors. and. It showed no signs of being abducted leading the investigators to consider it highly unlikely. that. He could have possibly been that boy in the mysterious photo nevertheless, tears mother and many investigators including detectives from the Scotland Yard Police Department in the United Kingdom work convinced without a doubt that it was her in that picture and think about that. This is Scotland Yard over in in England debut even involved on this case that's how big these cases were at the time. So they were convinced that it was her in the picture although it's still disputed to this day and on known in other theory was that the whole thing was even sick prank in that Tara was perhaps even in on it but why would she do such a thing and if it was just a practical joke and where did she go although the picture looks very authentic and besides the striking physical similarities, it does look like the two are under severe duress and I agree. Whoever the people in the photo are they look legitimately scared for their lives and one Gulf County Sheriff by the name of Jewel Nugget would say of this that it obviously has two kids with terror written all over them. It's kind of a bad time when you have to look at it, you know and something to that magnitude. No one knows for sure if it the picture of course was a setup, some people think it was stage photograph, but it was a real look of fear to me the guys there's no way. This was a set photograph and obviously these pictures will be in the show notes. So you guys can check it out. So. Also muddying the waters are some leads that later came in suggesting that Tara had been perhaps hit by a car either intentionally or accidentally after which the startled documents of the vehicle head dispose of her body, and this would mean that good. Couldn't have been her in that polaroid. But in the end you know no one really knows Tara's body has never been found and she has never been seen again it is not known what happened to her or even if it was really her in that photograph and the cases left authorities baffled ever since yearly among the many questions surrounding the cases who are the people in the photo really is that really Tara and if it is what was happening to her and what became of her also, if that boy is not Michael, Hanley than who is it no-one knows and to this day, the case remains profound. Lee a mystery. But. That's the whole point. If they haven't been found, they look like these children. I know the Michael Hanley was found but I truly believe when you look at the picture, you're going to see this was not stage that this is real and also is very likely. Tear CALICO. So another Erie case is similar in some respects is that of twelve year old Johnny Gosh. Most of you probably have heard of this case if hadn't trust me a, you would find this case being covered by quite a few podcasts. I'm sure one time or another to me. It's probably one of the most famous missing persons cases as far as children concerned. So this is of twelve year old Johnny Gosh of Moins Iowa in the United States at around on September fifth nineteen, eighty, two johnny went out on his paper boy route in later on that morning parents to get persistent phone calls from adult people who were upset over the fact that they had still not gotten their morning papers. I actually had a peep route that exact same time as johnny sell. My kind of can wrap my head around the feeling of what was going on and him on this route and what it was like to get up that early in the morning and get your papers together in know too bad them all up and get them ready for for delivery. is his mother Noreen and Father John spoke to other paper carriers in the area, and we're told that Johnny had been in the day to pick up his newspapers as scheduled, which then prompted them to search the area to find Johnny's a newspaper. Wagon. Nearby still full of undelivered papers. Authorities were contacted that they were able to glean from witnesses that Johnny had been approached by a Ford truck with out of state plates whose driver and asked him for directions in there was also report that suggested that Johnny might have been followed. By a separate unidentified ban and it was assumed that the boy had been possibly kidnapped but no suspects were found at that time the truck that allegedly approached him could not be located no motive was ascertained and there was no evidence of what had happened to him. The only possible lead was his sighting of a boy matching his description in Oklahoma being dragged away by two men but it was not clear if this was really him or not. For the most part, the case was totally cold. Private investigators hired by the distraught parents were also not able to figure out what had happened to him. He was just gone. The whole case would become more bizarre when Johnny's mother came forth with some very strange incidents. That had happened in the following years according to her in Nineteen ninety-seven Noreen claims that she was visited by a young man who she believed to be her now grown lost son. The apparently told her that he had escaped his captors but they were still out there looking for him that he could not stay very long before making her promise to keep quiet about it and then vanishing yet again during the whole bizarre meeting there, it apparently been another unidentified man with waiting outside in the shadows. There was no doubt as to whether this really happened or not, but noreen. has remained adamant that it did. that. You know there was there was some thought that or doubt that this had really happened but I have a why would the mother make this up and the story is filled with details will be will cover that trust me. This is probably will be the first one that will cover Johnny Gosh you're at a later date because there's a lot more to this story in especially in his individual and it brings me back to if you've heard on pull up a pew podcasts, which is the other podcasts we have under a Sondra productions. The facility that I had attended and actually escaped from it's it's very sounds very similar to what had happened to Johnny, and then him being allowed to come in to see his mother but then be taken away. Maybe they probably have a very short amount of time the do that but because he was adult by that time, so we're talking at least. ten fifteen years later after the fact. He would be let loose in order to You know just see his own mother but I'm sure there was plenty of people that did not want that to happen. So whoever that person was lurking in the shadows. You know I'm sure he was taking the risk of course as well. So. That photo of three bound boys that you're going to see in the show notes Johnny Gosh is thought to be the one on the far right? The photos would prove to be somewhat controversial one anonymous letter, Senate, and said that the photo of the three rebound boys originated in the nineteen seventies and merely showed a prank in which they were trying to see who could escape their binds fastest. Again when you look at the photo I doubt highly that's what's going on there. That's not either somebody is pulling a prank on the phone call or just throwing in an excuse. So that would throw people off you know from from these boys but I I don't know. They're turned out to actually really been such a photo and the case investigated by police in the late seventies but there has never been any proof of whatever this was the same photo or not the individuals and the other two photos have also never been concrete. We identified while there has been some doubt on cast whether or not these. Mysterious photos shown. Johnny Gosh in them, his mother is convinced that the first to show our son and that they are also from an organized pedophilia ring. So. Whatever the case may be the photos of help make the disappearance of Johnny Gosh much debated and discussed the missing boy has never been found. Of course, the identities of the people in the photos of never conclusively been identified in although various leads in information of come forward over the years this strange case remains shrouded in mystery. When extremely unsettling in spooky case revolves around notorious American serial killer, Dean Arnold Coral who in the early nineteen seventies raped tortured and strangled to death at least twenty eight young boys in the Houston Texas area aided by his two accomplices, David Brooks, and Elmer. Wayne Henley junior ominously nicknamed by the media The candy man because of his family business as a candy maker, which he used to lure and his young victims. Coral is also known as one of the most monstrous and prolific zero killers of the century ambit of likely wrapped up even more victims if he had not been shot to death by his own accomplices, Elmer Wayne Henley junior after an altercation. Although there were twenty eight official candyman victims. It is always been suspected that there were many more in two, thousand twelve. These suspicions were you fueled even further by the distressing discovery of a another shocking photo found in a cast off box of Henley's personal possessions that had been stored away and forgotten in an abandoned bus in a field after his arrest. Foam by filmmaker John Vargas as he did research for a dramatization of the gruesome events, fergus would say we are the first people to go through that stuff in forty years and among the items contained. Within, was a blurred chilling polaroid snapshot of a young terrified looking boy obviously in captivity. Vargas would say the following of the find while rummaging through those pictures this polaroid falls out night look at it and right off the bat having studied the case and the crime scene photos in everything I see. Dean's toolbox and I see is implements in that toolbox and I see this kid right here with handcuffs on his arms I sat there and I looked at the picture throughout thirty minutes and then I showed it to my wife and said look at this and tell me what you think it is that was a boy who was horrified who was lying on that floor. So you have the mysterious candyman killer photo, which is what we're talking about here. The truly eerie thing about this picture is that no one seems to know who it is. No one has come forward with information and it is not of any of the official twenty, eight victims of the candyman. that. Coral has. Known victims who managed to escape his clutches. It's very likely that this is not only a picture of one of them but also that he was likely gruesomely tortured killed and worse just moments after this photo was taken when Vargas confronted handling in prison who is doing a life sentence of course about the photograph, the inmate claims that he did not know. But divulge that there were certainly other victims in the killing spree that have yet to be uncovered as to who the boy in the photo could be. One forensic anthropologists who took a look at it as said, I compared the photograph with the missing person information such as descriptions and photographs that irrelevant to the nineteen seventy-three murder cases are available in the. F S files have also compared the photograph to photograph of previously identified victims that are available in the H. CIFF's files. The relatively poor image quality does not allow for conclusive comparison of features to know that are known or unknown individuals associated with the nineteen seventy-three murder cases. However, the individual depicted is not immediately recognizable as one of the domes victims or missing persons in the photographs or descriptions in the H. CIFF's files. Any information regarding the individual shown in the photograph may eight eight CFS or law enforcement in identification efforts or the investigation other mysterious photographs linked to vanishing were taken by the victims themselves shortly before they disappeared in potentially hold clues to their deep mysteries. In March of two, thousand, fourteen to young. Dutchwoman by the names of Lisane Froun and Chris crammers when the country of Panama for a homestay study trip to learn Spanish looking for a day out enjoying the beauty of the countryside and on April. First of two, thousand, fourteen, the Sane and Chris sent out on a day hike on pristine pianist trail, which is located near the town of. Bukit and the Baru Volcano Open Butcher that I probably didn't along with their lost family host families dog it was planned to be a very short routine excursion and take some scenery in the clouds around the forest area. Do some swimming then come back and go to their studies and they only brought with them. The barest essentials, such swimsuits, sunglasses, cameras, just basic deters the items they weren't. Going out for a day hiker couple of days to bring anything such as food or water yet they would walk out onto that trail into the jungle and seemingly off the face of the earth never to be seen again. The night only the dog returned without either La- sane or Chris in the worried house family became concerned it was soon turned out that both women's family shortly after stop receiving regular mobile phone messages and communications from their daughters and their facebook updates had also abruptly stopped. So when the saying in Chris Missing appointment that next day they were declared missing and the Panamanian authorities organize an intensive search not to say it's very quick for a foreign government. But of course, you've issues with tourism in these different areas, different countries, and you know they don't want things to look bad for any American tourists. especially, I would say in in Panama. So anyways, they organize an intensive search would scoured the train using police aircraft soldiers sent dogs in signal flares to alert. The women to their presence in any case, they were lost all with the help of locals in native tribes of the area. While in the meantime, eight, thirty, thousand dollar reward was offered by the families for any information after ten days of meticulously searching the region. No signs of the two missing women were found and they seem to have simply just disappeared into thin air like everybody else here. The only clues as to what may have become of them came from the witnesses who claimed seen the two of them in having lunch with two unidentified men before embarking on their hike but it was totally known who they were or what connections they had to the disappearances if any the sane fruit in. Chris. Kramer's. You know it would take nearly ten weeks later that a clue it even finally calm in the form of a backpack brought to police by a woman claiming she had founded abandoned beside a river near the village of Alto Romero. The backpack was soon determined to be that of the missing. Lasantha fern and a treasure trove of new clues was found within among the various mundane belongings found within the bag such as the sunglasses cash, and a passport were also both of the missing woman's smartphones and liens camera all found to be dry and in remarkably good condition. These phones in camera would go on to provide several rather dark Kansas to what happened and propel the case further into the realm of mystery. When the phones call histories were checked, it was found that on the very day. Set out on their hike at around four thirty. PM The tried to make a call to emergency services but the call had not gone through over the next few days. It seems that they had been repeatedly tried dial various emergency numbers in both Panama and the Netherlands none of which had gone through, of course, in all of them interspersed by the phones frequently being powered on and off possibly to conserve the batteries. The ants phone finally died on April Fifth and although Chris Phone had continued to function, it was not used to make any further actual calls simply being turned on and off again perhaps in an attempt to find perception before wasting power on another futile call oddly on April sixth though there had been several attempts interrupt pin number that it failed by April eleventh both phones were dead after dozens of calls. So perhaps even spookier. And more nervous here than these call records was that found of what was found on the camera itself guys. It was found to have taken some initial pictures of the women along their hike and out a waterfall which were taken before the emergency calls but then the camera was not used again until April eighth, which was well after the frantic calls started. And a week after they had been declared messing. So at that point, there was a sudden series of Ron, ninety photographs, all of them taken at night, and these would prove to even be more bizarre many of them don't show anything merely blackness as if the lens covered not been taken off while others showed blurry nondescript scenes of the nighttime jumbles suggested the camera flash was being used to provide light and that's what I think that that was but there's also some photographs mixed in and among these that make sense one of the camera flash photographs however. added the three photos what stands out from the rest peppered among the others. One is is very puzzling. Very puzzling shot of what looks like toilet paper and a mirror on Iraq. Its meaning is unknown and in another stick which upon its branches are tied a piece of plastic possibly. Candy. Bar. wrappers is speculated. This could have been an attempt at a crude signal but no one really knows the third is probably the weirdest and shows an extreme close up of Chris framers hair. The meaning of these strange photos is unclear but they were and still are seen as holding ominous hints as to what happened to the missing pair with the finding of the backpack in its. Contents, they were search effort was launched into the area. where it had been found, and during that search appear of torn yet neatly full jeans was found politely. Person upon Iraq. But more grisly and sinister discoveries awaited the searchers begin to find bits of human remains scattered about the jungle along the riverbank mostly bones from the foot and most notable of these was a boot with the remains of a whole human foot ensconced within as well as a pelvic bone found behind a tree nearby it oddly it was found that while some of these bones appeared to be. Rather. Fresh others were bleached considering the state of the remains. It was impossible to determine the cause of death for either Louis saying Chris because he asked if some of them are looking fresh but yet others are obliged tate's quite a bit of time in order to bleach bones that way in a natural setting with the sun beating down on Eggert or the just the weather weathering bones themselves. So that stick with the red plastic on it. So the remains plus that strange the rest of the phone calls in photograph started up heavy speculation. What had happened to them when I was at the period got lost and then proceeded to use the camera to try and signal the search party possibly after being injured and unable to move. The stick with the plastic could have been a makeshift. Way To get the attention of planes flying overhead though it's it's just it's so small. But then again, if that's all you have and you gotta remember, they really didn't take anything with them when they went on this trip and let that be a lesson. You know they left pretty late in the afternoon on a pretty. Decent length trail and they brought nothing along with them. In case you were to get lost you would be to. Have some water with you and some food maybe a compass some way to get people's attention. If you were to get lost other than your cell phone, I know everybody's got phones and you think well, I got my phone. Phone's fail plus phones can only do so much especially if you're not gonNA, get a signal with them so. anyways after this. they may have died out there in the wilderness and the scavengers could have done the rest scattering their remains however, if they were trying to signal ground search parties that why not just call out to them. Also, why is it that none of the local tribes that come across them and how would they been? remained so well hidden from the massive search that had been through that area and other more disturbing theory is that there were stocked and killed by some sort of large Predator that girls had been stocked in end killed by a Predator and that the camera flash pictures could have been an attempt to unsuccessfully drive it away as the closed in on them. Maybe a panther or something of that nature is what I'm thinking of their. Although what Predator is is is obviously unknown. There's also the possibility that they could have met with foul play perhaps at the hands of the two young men they had been seen with but there is no real evidence of this at all what happened to Lessane Froun and Chris crammers will. What is The meaning behind the remains the bizarre phone records in those haunting pictures you know, what do they all mean to these young women fall victim to the terrain predators either animal or human or do they simply get hopelessly lost these the questions that have yet to be answered at least one of these cases of vanishing 's a photo taken by the victim of even capture an image of. The one behind it all on February twenty seventh of two, thousand, fifteen, eighteen, year old they lean Moke Powell when out hiking up in the Haiku stairs island of a walk Hawaii also called the stairway to heaven the Haiku stairs are a series of three, thousand, nine, hundred and twenty two perilously steep steps leading to a Radio Tower purse within that Cola mountain range and were built by the US Navy in nineteen forty two probably put that to. The stairs were in nineteen, eighty seven and they are technically off limits to casual hikers but many nor this and go up. Them anyways for the danger and the stunning yet beautiful scenery to be found at the top. Puma was one of these but he probably did not suspect that this would be his last height before vanishing off the face of the Earth Puma was last seen in the wante a WHO at bus headed for the stairs but it is not known that whether he reached his estimation as regularly posted pictures in his progress in social media and one picture was of the stairway themselves. So He Must have made it to the location which was posted at eleven am after this, the post suddenly stops in pool was never heard from again a land and air search including the Fire Department local volunteers drone operators in the US Navy failed to find any sign of him although they did hear from two witnesses who claimed to have heard a man shout for help on the day he went missing. At first, it was mostly suspected that he had slipped and fallen over one of the many harrowing cliffs of the area and then swept out the sea. But as sinister finding would be noticed when his last photo was carefully looked at. This one is really creepy. Two guys. The photo in question scenes at first glance to be merely scenic shot of some mountainside forest. But sharp bite observers pointed out that something quite ominous could be seen lurking near a tree in the background closer inspection shows would appears to be a man crouched down in the foliage as if in hiding considering that this was one of the last voters took it is suspected that this man could be someone who was falling and potentially abducted or killed them. Die Lean MOCHA PU has still not been found and the person in the photograph is not been identified. You've got to see that photo I'm telling you it's very creepy it's going to be in the show notes so don't worry. What happened to him? Who is the mysterious man in the photograph and does he have anything to do with his disappearance? We don't know. So we're GONNA give you a breakdown of the photos and you've got to look clearly show there's going to be a series of photos but the each one of them will get closer ran in you'll be able to see what's there I'm telling you it's it's creepy very creepy assist a suspicious person up to no good. Maybe it's a it's a person hiding the bushes in the middle of nowhere basically, I mean, what? What are they doing there? So another case concerns the photo of possible cause for vanishing who may be of. Paranormal Nature in that early twentieth century of folklorist aimed toward. Charlie newnan supposedly spent years travelling about collecting, compiling the lore myths and supernatural tales of communities throughout the south and southwestern united. States, one story came across an Oklahoma was that of a mysterious old hermit woman who is said to live in a dilapidated old farmhouse in the middle of nowhere it was said that the old lady. Was Inspector or demon or wraith of some sort that a large town was never far away from her padding alongside or wherever she went. Noon was purportedly intrigued by this story, and so he went to go look for the House and it's strange denizen after which he vanished without a trace. Eventually Noonan's wife Elian Union came into possession of Charlie's missing camera, and after a pawnbroker recognize the name engraved on the side as missing man, he returned it and according to the story. Only one picture had been taken on the entire role on this camera, and it shows a chilling image of some sort of shadowy looking old lady figure with a spectral large dog just as the legend. So as intriguing as the story is there is little evidence to corroborate the tail. It is unknown where the picture actually came. From and much has been written on the case of Charlie, Noonan. It seems to be the basic story regurgitated over and over again when you do hear it making me think that it's perhaps just a spooky urban legend but nevertheless considering the bizarre image and the possibility of the story is true the author felt that it was important to include here. So that photo the Charlie Newnan Fota what what do any of these photos mean are these snapshots that provide a glimpse into the last moments of the vanished Do they shed any light on these dark cases as much as many of these cases remain debated in picked apart no matter what theories come up or what new information trickles in this unchanging constant those mysterious photographs they beckon, they taunt they weave a web of questions around the case brief captures of light from another time when these people were among us, they have made these cases immortal in a sense and have served a fuel, the mysterious vanishing and deaths they represent what clues her answers may lie within them only will tell but none have been forthcoming so far, and so that ends it. But that's GONNA apply really to the first three cases where you've got. Johnny Gosh you've got CALICO. Those are the ones that were we're GONNA feature the most here of this very last one I just included because just interesting was part of the story of having an unknown photograph of the spectral. Woman, in the dog is not a lot of information concerning that and it's also incredibly old. story. So there's really nothing that can be done to try to figure out what that was her when it wasn't. When you do look at the Johnny Gosh photo again, it reminds me of the pull up few episodes that I did concerning the Bethel Baptist boys home and many children I. Mean they just did a massive raid in Georgia on September I know the exact date you're going to be listening to this but on September firth first, they found hundreds of children they literally found them on a neighbor all. applaud of eight you know sexual. Trafficking Ring. And that happens all over the nation all all the time. You just don't hear about it this. Now, this is one of the bigger ones all happening at the same time but there are literally hundreds of these groups that have hundreds of children that are anywhere from say five to seventeen or eighteen they even take them as much older at as teenagers just depends on on the pedophile it sick. But. Now, there's been a lot going on in the last two years or three years we're not getting out of the mainstream news. A lot of these organizations are being taken around are taken down from around the world the sexual trafficking rings. And Yeah it's it's. Coming along it's Let's just say that there's still a lot more that needs to be done. That's why we need you to subscribe to the album podcast. Make sure that you're always informed of what's going on and if we have a live missing person, if you're in that area, you will be able to search. You can look you can find this person hopefully within the first hour of them being uploaded onto the owl APP. 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"Hello words welcome to another episode of the dictionary. Podcast the one with the guy reading this stuff to you. You are the reason I am here although I guess if you weren't listening I'd probably still be doing it but you know you are here and there's more of you. It seems like every day. So thank you for all you new people joining me You probably haven't heard me say this or maybe you have but go back to the beginning if you're starting in the middle that's dumb. Go start at the beginning. A one is the first episode. Oh I recently got a message from somebody on instagram. Saying my friend and I love your podcast So thank you for that direct message. That was really awesome to hear and out of the blue and I don't think I've really gotten maybe one or two before but no I mean this one is really jumping out at me so I really appreciate that you know who you are. If you want me to say your instagram handle I can although I think your account was private so maybe you don't I won't anyway. That was awesome. Let's talk about some words. The first word is Barracuda can be A. R. A. C. O. N. This is a noun from eighteen. Forty eight and enclosure or barracks formerly used for temporary confinement of slaves or convicts often used in plural. So this is Spanish From the Spanish word Barracuda on which is an augmented version of Baraka which means Hutt Which is from Catalonia? I think we actually had a similar at Mahlouji previously. Okay what's next next? We have Barracuda. This is maybe not the Barracuda. Youth are thinking of this is B. A. R. A. C. O. U. T. A. This is a noun from seventeen seventy although it is the Barracuda you're thinking about just spelled differently A large elongate marine bony fish used for food and caught commercially in the waters off New Zealand and southern Australia. This is modified of American Spanish Barracuda C. U. D. A. The scientific name for this bony fish is theorised. Ease attune of the family Now we have Barracuda with a C. You Da the end. It is a noun from seventeenth. No sixteen seventy eight one. Any other genus of elongate predate often large bony fishes of warm seas that includes food and sport fishes as well as some forms frequently causing CAIG CIGUATERA poisoning Ciguatera poisoning. I think that's how it's pronounced C. I. G. U. At are so similar to the previous word but a little bit different The scientific name is How do you pronounce this spy? Raina Saviour Reina of the family environment. I so number now. We have the number two definition one that uses aggressive selfish and sometimes unethical methods to obtain a goal especially in Business Barracuda. This American Spanish word. Now we have burridge B. A. R. A. G. E. This is the first form of this spelling but the other spellings are pronounced a little bit differently This is a noun from eighteen. Forty five a damn placed in a watercourse to increase the depth of water or to divert it into a channel for navigation or irrigation. Yup Now we have the word by RAJ spelled the same way it's the second form it's a noun from nineteen sixteen one artillery fire laid on a line close to friendly troops to screen and protect them number to a vigorous or rapid outpouring or projection of many things at once as in a barrage of protests. This is from the French word. Tear Day barrage which is barrier fire. Now we have the third form of barrage it is a transitive verb from nineteen eighteen and it means to deliver a barrage against now. We have barrage balloon. It is a noun from Circa nineteen twenty. A small captive balloon used to support wires or nets as protection against air attacks. Excuse me I had a BURP. Oh that was the other thing In that message I got from instagram. They said we love your podcast. Thank you and We think you should keep in your burps. I think they said they were on episode. Eighty two four. Maybe and So I think back then was at least one of the Times where I said should I keep in my burp? Should I not keep in my burps? Think I cut them all out in as but in the bees so you who sent me the message in the bees you'll start hearing some burps. You already have started hearing some burps actually but if you decide to become a Patriot a patron of the Patriot Fan. You can hear a lot. More burps because that is coming in as an exclusive episode. All the BURBS. I cut out all right now. We have Barramundi B. A. R. R. A. M. U. N. D. I this is a noun a from eighteen sixty four a kata dramas bony fish with a greenish bronze back and silvery sides and that is found from the Persian Gulf to southern China and Australia and is valued as a sport and food fish. The scientific name is Probably Lattice Calcara for sure of the Family Central Pulmoddai. This is probably from an Australian aboriginal language of Tweeden Queensland Bar Mundi the word or Barramundi Cool that one of their aboriginal. Words has gotten into the English dictionary. Now we have Barranca B. A. R. A. N. C. A. also could be Barack Barranco with an oh This is a noun from sixteen. Forty eight one. A deep gully or Arroyo with steep sides number two a steep bank or bluff. This is a Spanish word now. We have buried her B. A. R. R. A. T. O. R. or a T. E. R. This is a noun from the fifteenth century. One Who engages in Barrett? Which funny enough is our next word? It is a noun from the fifteenth century one the purchase or sale of office or preferment in Church or state number two an unlawful act or fraudulent breach of duty by a master of a ship or by the mariners to the injury of the owner of the ship or cargo number three the persistent incitement of litigation. This is a middle English and then in parentheses it's at Scottish. Beira tree from the anglo-french Barrett Torri literally means deception from the French Barataria. Which means to be active or do business or caused strife or deceive the lots of possibilities Perhaps from the vulgar Latin Pretoria which is from the Greek protein or processing which means to do. And there's more at the word practical a very long etymology now. We have bar body. Two words bar is spelled capital B. A. R. R. It is a noun from nineteen sixty one a densely staining inactivated condensed x chromosome. That is present in each so matic cell of most female mammals and is used as a test of genetic female nece as in a fetus. Called also sex chromosomes. So this is from Murray Llewellyn bar. Who died in nineteen ninety five and he was a Canadian and Tom Anthem. An epidemic dissed. That's how you say that word and NATTA missed. Why was it so hard to say? The word anatomist. It's because they didn't know where the emphasis was and I wanted to say an anti nominee east or something okay. Next is bar B. A. R. E. It is a noun from nineteen thirty six and we have the one seat definition for the word bar. Which should we go back and look at that? We've already read it. And it's only a couple of pages way one C. A. Usually rigid piece of wood or metal longer than it is wide that is used as a handle or support especially a handrail used by ballet dancers to maintain balance while exercising. Oh yeah it's fancy B. a. r. e. It is French from Middle Latin Barra. Now we have the word. Bard B. A. R. R. E. Deep. It is an adjective from the fourteenth century marked by or divided off by bars especially having alternate bands in different color or of different color. If I could speak correctly as in a barred feather last word for this episode is barred Owl B. A. R. E. D. Next Word Owl. And this is funny because I think the last word from just a few episodes go if I could find. It was another owl. WasN'T IT BARN OWL? Yeah I think Barna was the last word anyway. I'm just putting things together in my brain that don't need to be put together. This is a noun from eighteen. Eleven a large North American owl with Brown eyes and bars of Dark Brown on the breast. And the scientific name is strict varia. That's kind of a cool word. Were two words actually. So what is the word of the episode That was Kinda cool. And that was Kinda cool What do we WANNA pick Well we will pick Baracuda as the word of the episode. But we're going to do the The modified from American Spanish one with the C O. Ut A BARRACUDA. That is the word of the episode and thank you very much for listening. Oh and I'm done with the words. You can turn me off if you want but you can leave me on if you want to hear a little bit more about what's going on in my life so tonight. The march seventh. There is a very large national trivia contest. It's called Geek Bowl. I think this might be equal. Twenty twenty. Well that's the year but I don't know if they're numbering by that way anyway. It's a very big event and The musical guest they have to have like musical interludes. I guess I've never been to one of these I've actually never played trivia at all at a bar or anything But the musical guest because they are in town are they might be giants So I got a group of people to go with me and we are going to have a very good time. I'm recording this a week before so I have no idea what's going to happen But I'm really excited. I really don't care if we win Although there is money on the line I just WanNa have fun and listen to the music and hang out with my friends and You know that's it so If any of you are going to be at that game Cool say hi all right that is all I have to say thank you. Oh and I forgot to mention yesterday. This is page one hundred. We're on page one hundred out of I don't even know how many hundred so that's cool. Maybe like I said before. Maybe I'll do something for the end of this page which is two episodes from now. That's all I can think of right now. Thank you very much for listening and until next time this is spencer reading the dictionary goodbye.
Alien Abduction Circa 1915
"Welcome to kids. Myths and mysteries sny your host kit chrome today an alien abduction circa nineteen fifteen eighteen one of the sponsors of kiss. Myths mysteries is the rogue valley metaphysical library. The largest library of its type in the country on the shelves are numerous accounts of alien abduction. There's one story that many point to the first report of an alien abduction the story goes something like this on the night of september timber nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred sixty one barney and betty hill were driving on a rural highway to their home in portsmouth new hampshire by all accounts. The hills were an exemplary a couple. He opposed man. She social worker active in the community. In the civil rights movement on an isolated road snaking through the white mountains the couple recounted what'd they saw a bright object appear to be following their car. They arrived toll around five am unable to account for two hours of the night but feeling that something terrible had happened to them it took a while but the hills eventually remembered the life altering event that befell them on that lonely stretch of highway. They'd been done abducted by aliens nearly fifty years earlier. It'd be about nineteen fifteen in a little town near what is now talent alant oregon. The first alien abduction was entered into a diary by w j dean. Keep in mind that this is thirty three years before rothwell laws well and half a century before the creation of area fifty one at the time of mr deeds experienced. There was no term describing aliens as the grace so he relates to his visitors as spirits southern oregon historical group and true came upon the following in the diary of of w j dean when i read the entry keep in mind that mr dean was grounded individual a teacher a farmer historian ben untrue commented that the entry has all the hallmarks of a typical alien abduction waking dream waking up paralyzed being transported weightlessness outdoors outdoors communicating telepathically with other worldly beans grace hadn't been invented yet so mr dean interpreted disturbing phenomenon in a spiritual term term redefine with permission from the southern oregon historical society and from ben true september fourteen eighteen nineteen fifteen now remember. I'm reading what was found in the diary. I had an experience on the night of the tenth entirely new to me and it has been a prominent place on my thoughts. Ever since i had retired at the usual time was up my best in health general body condition and fell asleep improperly in an hour judge. I suddenly awoke with sort of nervous. Chill the most unaccountable twitching and tingling sensations ran over over and through my whole body the twitching seemed to race rapidly up and down and round and round in a matter very difficult to describe no pain you know fever not join radically unlike any experience i ever had before at once a begun to wonder what could have brought on such a malady. I heard voice remarkably clear distinct and pleasant and the words in substance. This is all right. No harm arm will come to you. We have you in charge come now. The queer part of the whole strange affair is that i was not excited or disturbed disturbed in the lease but promptly assented with the coolest indifference three persons young men led me rapidly away we neither either walk nor road but seemed to be born along easily and quietly and by some invisible agency soon we stopped in the presence of a quiet wyatt number of people on the left was a group of middle aged and older on the ride children near the end directly in front young men my my three guides being the nearest all accepting the older people were i mean smiling as if they were much pleased at something suddenly the the leader of the three guides attracted my attention by waving his hands and nodding as much to say look and see in wonderman i asked mentally is this spirit land and are all these people spirits. The leader smilingly nodded in the affirmative saying this is spirit land in these people. You see are indeed spirits. We then returned and i was soon myself again. The peculiar tingling sensation having entirely tiredly ceased now most will say that this unique experience was a dream dream and nothing more. Perhaps it was but it was a long way out of the ordinary anyway. Strange bit of experience has dominated my thoughts ever since and so it occurred to me that making eighteen a record of it in these pages might tend to aid me and relieving the mind somewhat almost constantly trying to make something out of nothing eighteen of the strange affair remember. I was reading an excerpt from diary so there you have it. The first recorded report of an alien abduction again circa nineteen fifteen an alien abduction. Circa nineteen fifteen was produced here at night owl sound studio and brought to you by owl creek cabin at allie creek cabin dot com a solo riders who treat and the rogue valley metaphysical library. I'm your host kit chrome. Thanks for listening.
From the Vault: Send an Owl/Raven/Pigeon!
"Today's episode is brought to you by IBM smart is open open is smart. IBM's combining their industry expertise with open source leadership of Red Hat. Let's unlock the world's potential. Let's put smart to work. Learn more at IBM, dot com slash red hat. Hey, class twenty twenty. We know things have been super weird lately. You were robbed of a graduation ceremony, so we found some people to write you Benton speeches. Legend. Hillary Clinton. She's into over twenty of your favorites from. Dj College Coach K. Abby Wambach two Alsi. They're all here to give you the wisdom that we could all use right now. Tune into iheartradio's new podcast. Commencement speeches are out now on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast. Hey welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert. Lamb and I'm Joe McCormack and it Saturday time for a vault episode deepen the Volta here the fluttering of wings. Yeah, that's right. This is our episode. Send an owl slash raven slash pigeon. This episode, basically explorers, the actual use of pigeons to to relate messages from one point to another, but then also exploring the use of Ravens and owls in our various fictions namely. The song of ice and fire by George Martin and JK rollings Harry Potter series. To. What extent do these make sense? Could an AL actually deliver a message? How smart is now? How capable of being trained is an Allen likewise? What's the situation with the Raven? This is what. The questions that this episode attempts to answer. We hope you enjoy. Welcomes your mind. Production of iheartradio's has networks. Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert. Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick Joe in my household. We're slapped. Dab in the middle of Harry Potter Mania. You've been telling me all about it dude. Yeah, yeah, we're reading our seven year old the books we're making our way through the movies. My son applies an amazing level of focus and determination to all these Harry Potter Lego kits. Now you gotTA. Tell me about those because I love. legos and I am hoping some in my life to be able to play with legos again. Oh, well, yeah, the Lego. Kits are pretty great They're not a sponsor, but I'm just saying the. There are a lot of fun. The the hogwarts especially as is quite quite a kit. He also has a stuffed owl. which has of course named HEDWIG after Harry Potter's Al and at the same time when he goes to bed, my wife and I are currently enjoying the final season of game of thrones, as am I and my wife Yeah those guys. Who Your current Oh. Yeah, we're hooked won't be any spoilers in this episode, but but I'm glad that we're on the same wavelength and you and one day I. Think I I'm I'm looking forward to actually finishing reading the books as well once they are all written Oh. Yes, so are you actually caught up to where the books are in the song of ice and fire series I? I'm caught up and eagerly awaiting the subsequent me too I've read them all, and now it's been so long I'm going to have to go back and read them again before the next one is going to have to the wikipedia entries. So. In the whizz earning world of of the JK rolling created the magical community. They use owls to send messages back and forth, and it's beautiful, and it's settling magical part of the book right playing on their traditional ideas of witches and wizards, having familiar years as well as the properties of als that make them seem mystical right there silenced. They're not colonel habits their wise appearance. But in reality is, we'll discuss. No one actually uses an owl to send messages in the real world, but the more general idea of using birds to send messages is not so magical, and not so far fetched I. Guess That's what we're going to be talking about today, unlike wiser George, Martin's a song of ice and fire books. And the HBO TV TV Adaptation Thrones Now folks. If we call the books game of thrones today, don't get on our case. It's just the same. It's just what we've been programmed to do. At this point in both properties, Ravens are the bird of choice for members of the Senate all to relay messages to and from various castle cities and important locations the email of west coast. Yeah, and you need. It's described the books that these clever messengers usually only function like real World Messenger Pigeons Right, they that smarter and capable of traveling to multiple locations but But for the most part, you're sending a message from one place to another right, yeah, that's right actually to without any spoilers to extremely comic effect sometimes in the TV show especially where like seems like somebody will write a message. Put It on a raven. Send it off and they get results within like a day when it was supposed to travel a thousand miles. I'm not quite sure exactly how that happens. I think they have to move a lot faster on the TV series right I. Think this has led to a lot of memes. Where like the? Jet Packs on that. One, and they also have I believe there's an additional separate species a white raven that the citadel for particularly important messages. Don't recall that, but there's a lot of detail in the books that didn't even stick had a lot of a lot of time with game of thrones to to forget many different details myself but I you know I think all of this works nicely in the books and the TV series because it puts an alternative. Universe Kinda spin on everything right like in your world. It's a pigeon, but in in in West arrose it is. It is a raven, and then you know it's kind of like. Some of the other spins that they do like like having this predominantly polytheistic version of medieval Western culture. So this alternate of vision of how bloodlines genetics work, though I do think they're interesting a to turn this into just a game of thrones episode there's some interesting parallels between the religions in the game of thrones, world, and and the religions of Western. Europe like so you originally have these Pagan polytheistic religions, but I know Georgia are Martin has commented the faith of the seven in the books in the TV. Show is really. Really an analogy for the Catholic Church that because it has you know even? I it is considers itself a monotheistic religion. It has a trinity. It has many saints and other figures in. He just said well I just went ahead and made them all gods. Yeah, he he. He did a great job of of taking things that were familiar in tweaking on this little bit where they still felt like you didn't have to. Take a running start at understanding the religious world of game of thrones, but it was a little bit different. Just they'll just just a little bit skewed in a way that made it to. Resonate a little more. Yeah, and and likewise the ravens fit perfectly in this you know this grim dark setting, because the Raven of course is a bird that's associated with with darkness and carnage, and so it makes sense that the cares. Be using this bird to send their messages as opposed to the peaceful, dove or pigeon. Pecking bits of flesh from dead bodies on the battlefield. Imagined but. The way the Ravens are used in the book as we've already alluded to is actually very analogous to real life uses of Messenger Pigeons. That's right messenger, pigeons carrier pigeons. This is an actual method that that we use and have used for thousands of years to deliver messages across long distances. And and it's not really it's not like a magically trained pet. It's more of an animal that will dependency dependency return home after you transport it somewhere else, and then lead-free does a much less impressive trick, though still impressive. Yes, I would be pretty amazing. If you could just like. Send one to another city on command, and then it would come back right. It's like imagine doing it with. Say a guerilla from the local zoo. Zoo you're like? I want to send a message to the zoo where this guerilla lives okay well, I'm GonNa take one of its guerrillas with me. When I visit another city that will give the grill of the message. Let the gorilla loose in the gorilla will of course return home thus delivering the message so I. Guess That's where you get the idea. You may have heard the phrase a homing pigeon right? Yes, it is returning home. So here we are. We're talking about pigeons. We're talking about owls and we're talking about Ravens. We figured we. We know that. Homing pigeons. this has been a subject that the numerous. podcasts covered I. Know Josh and Chuck covered. Homing? Pigeons Awhile back on their show. That doesn't surprise me and and so we wanted to to to discuss them, but we this might spice it up a bit to also discuss them in relation to the owls and the Ravens of the world of Harry Potter and the World of West Coast and in doing so we'll be able to highlight wipe. The pigeon has worked so well for these purposes and why we use the pigeon and likewise. Likewise why we don't actually use ravens and owls, what is it about Ravens analysis that that would make them ideal for the sort of work, and then also what proved prevents us from using them for this sort of work to begin with. Why say let's go pigeon I? Yeah, let's go. Let's let's hit reality. And then we'll dip our toes into the fantasy a bit so first of all. Let's consider some of the end of the epic facts. From history of homing pigeons I think. Should ground their use in a real world that feels as epic is anything from West rose? So so first of all, it seems that pigeons were originally domesticated for food. In the Middle East, and in Europe much in the same way that the jungle fowl that we now call it. Chicken was originally domesticated in India and East Asia. So they were domesticated for their meat for their eggs which. The pigeon has tiny eggs, but you can't eat them. the pigeon. Is, maybe not as rural bust is a modern. Enhanced Chicken but it still is edible I mean again. If you've read the song of ice and fire books, one of the common menu items at feasts and stuff, roast, squad, or stuff squad of course, squad would be like a young pigeon. Yeah, and you can still find swab on menus in various places. Now when we're talking about homing pigeons, homing pigeon is technically Columba Livia domestic. That's the domestic version of the rock pigeon, which is just Columba Livia now one interesting fact about the common pigeon, the Rock Pigeon. Also known as the rock dove in their natural habitats, their cliff-dwellers, they tend to live and nest on cliff, faces and rock ledges, which probably at least partially explains why they thrive so well in modern urban landscapes, full of buildings that function as artificial cliff faces. That's true, and I think we talked about this some with with our guest. Jason Ward who came on the show wants to talk about urban evolution, especially, if birds absolutely highly successful species. But back before their success was so guaranteed. Yeah, they were this. This wonderful edible bird, the good stuff in cages pretty easily, and as you might imagine people you know, kept their birds and the. In doing so prohibited from flying away, and as they travelled around with these birds, and then I'm assuming they probably discovered the curious and dependable way that these birds could then return to their home nest across increasingly long distance. And as such. We have been using birth these pigeons for thousands of years to deliver messages. IT IS A. Pretty ancient practice, yeah, but it appears to emerged out of this original destined domestication for food I. Eat them, and then you put them to work right which? which you know, it sounds rather ultimately document very mundane use of the bird right? We're going to use it for eating and we're going to use it for delivering messages, but it's also worth noting that pigeons have sacred significance in many cultures, though we often refer to them in doves in that in in these instances at least in the English language, right pigeon and the same thing. Yeah I mean we're talking about the about birds from the family. Columbus Day, which has doves and pigeons. But you know, we can think to the roles of say doves, and Christian symbolism, and even as kind of a secular symbol of peace right. Releasing dubs. To is. A. Symbolic Act right. Likewise we can go all the way back to ancient. Sumerian Patina where we see. The use of the dove is an associated an animal of the goddess in Ana We love in on this show, but that's interesting. Because a non has multiple valances, Nana can be of course like a fierce goddess of war, screams death through the rebel lands or she can be. Be You know like a peaceful goddess of fertility is. She has both meanings in different contexts and I wonder which which way the dove comes in there. Is it like the way we associated with piece, or is it? The way that doves can be used to send messages and gather intelligence during war as just as a means of conveying information can serve both ends right. But it doesn't really seem like this this prior relationship with domestication with the pitch and his ultimately what sets it up for uses the carrier bird earlier people domesticated them live with them, and picked up on their abilities, and really the only other burr thing to the other birds that have a legacy of domestication, and and each one we can try to imagine to what extent they could have actually been used to carry messages I. Mean You have the the chicken? It's not gonNA work. The duck goose. It though that's the chicken, yeah, the chicken that would be like a good cartoon. Chickens out the duck and goose. I couldn't find any real discussions of this, but they are migratory. Birds so it's it sounds possible, but are they are they ever domesticated? I. Don't know I. Guess They are sometimes. I've seen them. Yeah, listed as as birds that we have domesticated some cases, likewise goose, the Guinea Fowl, the Turkey canaries and finches, but but of these the domestication of the chicken, the duck goose in the Turkey those go back thousands of years, but canaries only go back to the fifteenth century and the finch. The eighteenth century. But you know to to put ourselves back in ancient shoes on this right? As one be presumably you know picks up on the ability of the of the of the pigeon to carry messages just think of the advantage. In a world where message delivery is only as fast as a human or a horse and rider can, can travel across either open to rain or more likely a series of winding paths or roads. Yeah, I mean we take for granted now that we have wired or wireless communication that can send information electrically or whatever I mean back then of message had to be physically taken one way or another. Either you tell it to a person, and they go deliver it in person, or it had to be carried by hand. Yeah, you'd have a runner carrying her carrying it to the next runner. And then, yeah, yeah! If you're going from point A to point B. you're probably not able to go in a straight line. But the bird can. The bird can fly in a literally as the as the crow flies. Yeah, the bird also has the advantage of this is seen sometimes in the song of ice fire series where say if your castle is under siege and no person, no human messenger would likely get by without being captured a bird probably could by. Yeah can leave a besieged city in. Go relate a message. They might try and shoot it out of the sky with a with an Arrow then. That's why you have multiple pigeons imagined or multiple owls or ravens in your fantasy says. Of Treatments, a birds can also carry messages quickly over water. Right humans can't or I guess maybe could by boat, but yeah, it's it's easy just to sort of focus on the sort of the primitive nature of tying a message to an animal with in just forget the tremendous freedom of movement that a bird like a pigeon has. And then in terms of speed with a pigeon, we're talking speeds of fifty to sixty miles per hour and up to record speeds and I think this is you know when you're really pushing racing them? You can get into the low nineties. Horses on the other hand. You're only going to reach the mid fifties, and that's going at full gallop, and that's like a world record for horse. Common Gal that's really going, and and again the chances of you being able to send a message by horse at top speed at record speed in a straight line, Mike on this magical highway. You've built between Fortress A. Be It's just not. It doesn't stack up against the power, the the the message delivering power of the pigeon, so to give everybody a you know some more ideas about just the the history, the legacy of of carrier pigeon use I was looking at the hallowed history of the carrier pigeon by Mary Bloom From The New York Times two thousand four. and. Some of the high points of the author of mentioned here and I believe this was covering museum exhibit about the carrier. Pigeon, but we have like. An addition to mythical. Stories of in honor in her association with the with the pigeon, or dove also biblical accounts such as. Noah, releasing doves or pigeons? Yeah, it was to test whether the flood waters of the great flood had abated things in genesis chapter eight where. Noah releases multiple or either the same dub, multiple times or multiple doves to go out and see if it can land somewhere at first it goes out, and it can't find anywhere to land, and it comes back to him the second time it goes out, and it brings back a branch, and that means the waters must proceeded from somewhere in the third time it goes out. It just stays gone and never returns. So, if you love a dove, said it three. So the ancient Romans used pigeons for chariot races to tell owners how their injuries had placed. Genghis Khan established pigeon relay. Points across Asia and much of Eastern Europe Charlemagne made pigeon raising the exclusive privilege of nobility. Pigeons were used for military communication well into World War One. Rolled out cure carrier pigeons with cameras. They were soon replaced by reconnaissance planes by the end of the end of the War France had mobilized three thousand pigeons, and they the declared that anyone impeding their flight could be sentenced to death. There's actually a famous story from World War. One I believe about a group of allied soldiers who had come under friendly fire from artillery, and only managed to communicate to their allies the. Stop shelling us by accident by the use of a carrier pitch allowed saved many lives. Pigeons have been used transfer blood samples from remote regions regions of Britain and France in eastern India. They were used for communication between remote police outposts, and as of at least last year at least one of these. Lines was still in use. The. US is used. To spot shipwrecks, a drug drug traffickers have used pigeons. Seemingly around the world I was looking at various stories about this, and you know I was finding hits from North South and Central America as well as in the Middle East you know obviously you're not going to send to like an entire brick of hash up in the attic pigeon, but if you want to send a small amount of something like across the Border Police Steria, yeah, Yankee, take opinion from its home, attached the drugs to it and then let it fly home. Yeah, and that's exactly what some people have done. This is a fun account that my wife shared with shoes, remembering a West Virginia white water rafting place from sort of like the pre digital photo age, and and they used Pidgin, so what they did is You know you're going on this Whitewater rafting ride right and. Nowadays. We just take this for granted right. You ride some sort of a ride like a roller coaster. At the end they sell you a picture of yourself enjoying the ride. Of course now we just digital photography, but this particular Whitewater rapid place the way they did it is. They had a photographer with a long lens up on a hillside where they could get a good shot of the river. They would snap your picture as you're going down the river, and then it would take the film. They would attach it to the homing pigeon, the pigeon like to the end of the river. Up is they would develop the film, and then they would sell you the picture because you know this is of course of. That's when you want to sell the picture. You're just getting off the the rafting ride. You're excited like ooh, that was awesome. I didn't die. It was great, and then there's the picture ready to like magic, and you pay for it now. That probably wasn't even possible until like celluloid Acetate film right? Try to attach a daguerreotype plate to your pigeon. Work to understand that joke. Make sure you listen to our series of episodes on our other podcast invention about the invention of photography. Those have been a lot of fun. They're not listening to invention yet. What are you doing? Go listen. Yeah, yeah, and you can check out the website at invention pod dot, com okay I. got one for you ever wonder about the origin of the term pigeonhole. I'd never thought about it, but now I am yeah, Pigeonhole as verb right like I don't want to be pigeonholed. I. Don't know exactly how I guess it means like It's sort of like the the the idea of being typecast. I don't want to be pinned down in this kind of narrowly defined space well, apparently, this expression has a very literal origin in the the domestic pigeon raising trade it comes from wind pigeons used to be given like individual holes or recesses to nest in, and then after that later came to have another definition of quote, one of a series of small open compartments as in a desk cabinet, or the like us for filing or sorting papers. And so that's like a standard definition which I think more to further into the more abstract. Of having your. pigeonholed into a narrow slot interesting. Yeah, I'd I'd never thought about it before, but that makes perfect sense, and that metaphorical definition came about I think in the eighteen sixties in the mid late nineteenth century all right, so why and how do pigeons carry out these impressive feats of speedy delivery? Yeah, why then? Why not some other bird? Yeah, why not AL and Dowse when Ravens why not rats? One hundred the in the neighborhood house cat and I think he might be able to answer this question. Two different ways that we could, we can get into more. Is the episode goes on, but one explanation might be rooted in the sort of innate tendencies or abilities of each of these animals, and another answer might be more rooted in just accidents of history. Yeah, yeah, I think so like touched on the fact that the pigeon was domesticated a seemingly originally for food, and so that kind of like provided the. Groundwork for further domestic uses of the animal. Yes, but it is certainly true that pigeons have some very impressive qualities when it comes to navigation and long distance travel right there. Navigational Abilities are essentially twofold so first of all they have a compass system, and this tells them which direction they're headed in and the sun position of the sun and the Earth's magnetic field. Make this possible, but then they also have a map system which tells them where they are in relation to where they want to go now it's this ability that is a lot more controversial that we have sort of competing hypotheses. Competing theories about how they're actually working, so it's not totally settled exactly all of the methods that pigeons have to navigate the way they do and find their way back home, right? There's still there's still research on going as to what's going on. And complicating. All of this is the release site bias. This is when birds go off in the wrong direction that release leading investigators to ask what what's happening in these cases to disrupted their return. What can we learn about the functionality by looking at the disruption events? And so the basic theories for how the mapping system works are as follows first. There's the smell theory. So odors carried on the wind. Allow the pages to map their way. Home and studies have shown that the atmosphere does contain the necessary olfactory information. And, pigeons have been observed to get disoriented when their sense of smell is impaired or when they don't have access to natural wins at their home nest And then there's the earth's magnetic. Field Lines, so there is a theory that there's some kind of inherent magneto reception in the birds right as Cordola v, Mora and Michael Walker pointed out in two thousand, nine, studying the proceedings of the Royal Society. B Biological Sciences Quote Pigeons May derive spatial information from the magnetic field at the release site that could be used to estimate their current position relative to their loft. Okay, so this sounds like it might especially help with like initial orientation toward their target destination. And again working with that compass system, so these two things working together another is also a third theory. That I ran across in this one's not as big as the other to do. Just give everyone an idea of some of the alternative ideas that are being explored here. Geophysicist John Hagstrom. Has This theory that they follow ultra low frequency sounds back towards. Towards their lofts, and the why certain areas can confuse them and throw them off. He argues that topographic disruptions ultrasound account for why some pigeons are thrown off track in known disruption disruption zones such as in parts of upstate new. York, that was the the region that that Hagstrom was actually looking at and conducting Oh you know some experiments in. In homing pigeons, they can't hear sounds as low as point zero five hurts so so they do have. They do have impressive hearing that that's base, yeah. However it's also been pointed out outta particularly I. was looking at a National Geographic article new theory on how homing pigeons find home by John Jay Lee. Pointed out that the the given pigeon might use. Either the smell or the magnetic field? Mapping system it might just depend on where they're raise leaning on magnetic fields in some cases smell in the others, other areas, or perhaps leaning on ultrasound of that is is in fact, one of the methods at their disposal well, and that would sorta makes sense given what we know about our senses that we use for navigation. I mean it would depend on where you were. You were trying to find your. Your way to right right like some places. It might be good to listen for traffic or something. Yeah, you don't know if you're like trying to get back to a traffic area in otherwise wilderness area or my main more sense to just look with your eyes and see what kind of place you're going to yeah I. Mean in all these cases. I keep trying to put myself in the shoes of the pigeon. Imagine somebody like sticking me in a cage transporting me say. Two counties over releasing me in the wild and giving me a message to return my how to my House I would probably just die in the woods and. It's. We look at something like the pigeon animal that is not. Held in high esteem. By most people you know we, we take a pigeons. We think of essentially winged rats in the city and we may not stop to realize. What kind of amazing and navigational abilities. They have but they do. They pigeons can do can do the these feats that that humans would be completely lost to try and replicate. Do you think the pigeons internal? Navigational computer is as annoying as the navigation APP on most phones or like you know a GPS. Devices I I would think not because it's a part of them right I mean the the the annoying thing about GPS technologies that it is external and. It's it's something we have to divert attention to or and or you know we drop our phone out of that little cradle horsing around with it while going down the interstate. Brand it was, but there was one I used to interact with fairly wasn't mine. It was somebody else's but but it. was incredibly passive aggressive like anytime you missed. Attorney would almost hear it like get Kinda Huffy. Who'd go? RECALCULATING! Yeah, yeah, there are all sorts of weird quirks They've got a lot better, but. It's still there they don't still they still don't feel like a natural instinct by any stretch. Now obviously we can spend more time here, talking about the navigational abilities of pigeons, and and certainly the way that pigeons and other animals. Seemingly interact with the magnetic field. But. We want to take a quick break here when we come back. We're GONNA, move onto the next animal in this episode. We're going to discuss. The owls of Harry Potter, but more specifically the owls of the real world this episode is brought to you by IBM Today the world looks pretty different, but already new problems are being met with new thinking. Researchers are using supercomputers to discover treatments faster. 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It depends if we're talking about MUGGLES or we're talking about members of the Wisden community. I'm talking about real real world here. Well. Just just take the pigeons of world. War One replace them with our. What happens The messages don't get delivered. For starters, because I think ultimately, an important part of this is the of course, the legacy of using the pigeon. Yeah, but the the the question. The question is what what if there had been no pigeons, what if for some reason? Early on people had gone the direction of the wizard in community in the Harry Potter novels and had said let's use. AL's. Let's let's not focus on any other animals. Let's focus on this species or the species of how. Can we use this animal to deliver our messages right whether rain or snow or dead of night. Will this owl deliver your message? Right and I have to say when we we set out to do this episode. My initial suspected answer was going to be no. They can't and I suspected that the reason was going to be that houser. Dumb what? Really because. This. This is like this is pre research, but I've I've found that. Multiple birds shows that I go to. Bird shows or Like wildlife rescue places places where they have saying that can't be released into the wild, because it has a damaged wing, so it's used for educational purposes multiple times. The the individual caring for the creatures has pointed out that well. This owl is really dumb, not a smart creature. And, so we have their their limits on what we can expect from it. That strange I tend to find the people who work directly with animals are tend to. They tend to err on the side of overstating the animals intelligence. Well and I don't mean to speak for every like wildlife refuge rescue. Individual, out there bird, show, worker, etc, but you know it stood out to me and I probably stood out to me because there is this idea of the wise now. It's firmly established not only in pop culture, but in our mythic traditions. The Owl was the bird of Athena the Greek goddess of Wisdom. They were thought to see the future, and of course they're not colonel nature in there. Silent Flight Made Them Creatures of Occult Fascination. The Romans saw them as portents of doom, they fulfil a number of roles among the native peoples of North and South America ranging from dire omens to. Actual spirits of the dead in some traditions, thou an evil creature. Another it associated with the goddess as in Phoenix case, or in Welsh mythology the goddess. Blow to wed is associated with the OWL. It is not hard at all to imagine how else could come to occupy a place of like a terrifying spiritual power, because you've ever been out in the woods at night and heard and now. It's I mean it's a cliche now, because in the movies and all that, but in person it is freaky. Yes, and then they have enormous is. You can't help it. Lock eyes with the owls and it's. It's intimidating to to look them. They're just in there just fascinating impressive specimens. And in terms of pop culture, who can forget the great owl from the secret of Nimh? It's so good. Yeah, kind of Wilford grimly faced owl. It had some heavy brows and mustache from what I recall, but also glowing is yeah. A lot of types of there's something like two hundred species roughly. They're amazing creatures in there somewhere in the neighborhood of two hundred different species all our. By the way, possibly the largest owl, ever to walk the earth, the Cuban giant Al, which stood about three foot, seven or one point, one meters tall, and was either flightless or nearly flightless, a giant flightless owl, so what was it like a like a raptor, like run around along the ground and snatch up its prey, so yeah, you know, we could possibly have achieved a very limited flight in the same way. Chicken may fly, wow. But but als are specialized killers. They're mostly solitary creatures. Social complexity to their brain load. You know it's it's It's more about the spotting. In Perceiving Pray and then stealthily swooping down on them and and and smashing them up. But but I was looking into this more and I found a book. Titled the Science of Harry Potter Okay Two Thousand and two by Roger Highfield and it's A. It's a pretty cool book obviously. It's been out for a few years, but. So this would have been the earliest Harry Potter books or not that the use of owls really. Changes much series. That's pretty stationary. Our just how you send messages. But the major reason he says that als- wouldn't be ideal for this sort of work is that most of them are rather sedentary, so they don't mind rate in migratory skills would be ideal for the sort of messaging work It's it's kind of like if you've heard I know you and I have heard this a presented intent Calica self defense of scenario by saying that if someone is looking to say, rob you on the street. They have a remember the the term. Use a small office. They have small work area. Anyone get out of that work area. Just you know it's like a pickpocket or robbers working like within like one st worth of area. Yeah, and that's the similar case with a lot of predatory organisms. They ultimately have a small zone in which they operate operate very well in that zone. But. You, get out of the zone and you might be in the clear now. That might be a good point about the owls, and not being migratory in being fairly sedentary, but then again I believe pigeons are non migratory released most in most cases, non migratory, and yet they have this powerful homing and messaging ability, and then also in Highfield does acknowledge that we do have some that are migratory. You have I think two out of the five native UK. Al Species are migratory nature and in theory could handle the ranges involved in most potter world letters. And they have great eyesight. which would be useful as well so we think of the ways that these. The given messenger species would find the places that needs to go well. The AL has excellent. Eyesight could be. It would be very useful. Now as for their brain power he's. He pointed out that there had not been a lot of systematic study of Al Brainpower but this would have been two thousand two right, but he said, but he also acknowledged that you know there have been some some work in looking at the memory of Barn, owls specifically by Erik Knudsen at Stanford University, and that research seemed to show that they did have solid working memories. While on the other hand, some species were considered to be required, rather dim due to their the predatory niche that they depended on now, but of course in all of this anytime. We're talking about animal intelligence. Where it's always a bit unfair because ultimately. Given species is as intelligent as it needs to be for what it does right and I mean. Even given that caveat, I think we have learned a lot more about bird intelligence just in the past couple of decades than we knew before like it is becoming increasingly clear. How Smart Chords are and we'll talk about that when we get to Ravens in the next section, but we didn't always know everything we know now about bird intelligence I, think the picture is becoming clearer that the birds are much smarter than we have long thought. Thought, though not every bird is equally more intelligent than we have long thought. Right I mean ultimately is a lot is going to depend on what that ad that particular bird, or in this case. What that does for instance? I was looking around it. Some some some other. Some actual studies on this I. Two Thousand Thirteen study from the International Journal of Comparative Psychology found that the great grey owl or strips nebulizer which. That's one of my favorites there. That's that's I mean. That's sounds like spell from Harry Potter. These particular didn't do so hot and cognitive ability tests. They said quote. Our results suggest that the owls fail to comprehend the physics underlying the object relationships involved in the task presented. But then again, as pointed out in two thousand four study published in nature from Levy, Dunkin and Levin's burrowing owls or Athenee Gloria, which is another nice when? They use Deng as a tool, or at least they use Deng, as bait to attract Dung Beetles, which were favourite prey, but you could would that be like novel or cognitively discovered behavior. Is that more probably like an instinct? They, they were framing it in terms of You know this is a potential tool. Use that is You know granted anytime. You're tool. Is Dengue these days I mean? It's not quite the same as using. A crafted TWIG. To to pull grubs out of state of log or something edge, because it's done doesn't mean it's not a tool right? Yeah, but I mean it still works for him, so I mean ultimately field had argued that well. Maybe maybe an hour could be used for such purposes and I think based on some of the other research. We're looking at It does seem like the canal. Canal could pull off some of the feats involved. Well I think one of the big questions that you would need to ask about whether a bird could be trained as some kind of messenger would be. How well do they respond to training? Right and to domestic depend domestication. Yeah, I mean sadly the popularity of the Harry Potter books and movies reportedly caused an increase in the trafficking of pet. Which JK rollings has as vocally condemned by the way, do not go out and try and buy a towel just because you like Harry Potter. The important cases here's that that outside of the magical world, though the realm of professional wildlife rescue efforts, AL's should not be kept in cages and they're you know they're not going to deliver your mail for you, but but more to the point they ha- handling pigeons, one thing stuffing than in and out of cages by hand it's one thing, but in our has some pretty vicious talents that can certainly send you to the hospital so. Just generally, not good candidates for domestication right outside of a magical. Fantasy series it. It doesn't sell it. The talons alone would give pause. If you look up if you're if you're curious about this, do Google image search on like our related injuries? You know find some Nice Wipes and slices here and there. It'll be enough to make you think well. Yeah, maybe we should leave the owls alone as much as possible. All right, let's take a break when we come back. We will talk about Ravens has messengers. 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So let's turn now to game of thrones to West roasts and the use of Ravens A. why are we not using ravens and we really wanted to. COULD WE USE RAVENS TO DELIVER MESSAGES? This one I think the prospects are different, but maybe a little bit better than ours, so you mentioned in mythology earlier that you talked about the doves of the Noah story in the book of Genesis Noah releases doves, and eventually they let him know that all the water's gone from the Earth, but don't forget. There's another part of the story. This is very strange doesn't necessarily really seem to add up to anything, but Noah actually sends out a Raven I ta. It's Kinda hard to tell what the ravens supposed to be doing in the story. It starts off by saying that it came about the end of forty days. Forty days and forty nights of raining at the end of forty days that Noah opened the window of the Ark which he had made, and he sent out a raven, and it flew here, and there until the water was dried up from the earth, and then after that it just goes straight into the story with the doves So that's confusing I'm not quite sure what's happening there I. Do know that there is some There's some theories about the version of the story. The great flood that we have that say it's actually at least two different original stories that have essentially. Essentially been edited together in in the version that we have of the book of Genesis so it could, this could reflect different versions of the same story, just sort of being stitched together, but I don't know that so like one of them is the Georgia Martin? Yes, exactly and it was never finished, so they had to dislike. Slap it together with this other version of the story. Yeah, so there's some other author is I don't like the Raven I'm going to do doves. Okay, but they also didn't WanNa. Throw anything away, so the Raven still there, but yeah, anyway, the that's. That's one of those interesting little textual mysteries so, but yeah, the question would ravens be good messenger birds as in game of thrones now in the world of Georgia are Martin Song of ice and fire in the TV show game of thrones, the people of West roasts they use ravens mainly to send long distance messages like we're talking about much vert very comparable to the way people have used Messenger pigeons. There's a scene where maistre aim, and the the maistre like the sort of learned person and the up. The Wall Tells Jon. Snow quote, doves and pigeons can also be. Be trained to carry messages, though the Raven is a stronger flyer larger boulder, far more clever better able to defend itself against hawks, so I think we should keep that in mind. We'll come back to it later to see whether Mr Raymond's mostly are not on the money there. Okay? the first thing we should look at of course is whether in fact, ravens are far more clever, and I think the answer to. This is a resounding. Yes, yeah, and this was before we went into the research. My suspicion was. They might be too clever like that in this may be. Unfounded a bias, but maybe maybe the owls too dumb, mainly though the ravens to smart in the pigeon is just this perfect. Mix of skill and navigational ability, but also it's not gonNA. Get bored and curious on the way I can totally see why you would think that I don't think that's what I would think. After the research for this episode I think that that sort of underestimates als a bit maybe overestimates pigeons and Ravens in in the unruliness of intelligence, because it is the case that for many very intelligent animals, it doesn't necessarily manifest as like a surliness and rebelliousness. Often very intelligent animals can respond well to training and conditioning. Though often they respond in ways that are unpredictable to you, which is the? That's an interesting thing. We'll get to a minute about ravens. The Ravens are cords, there a family of birds, containing many other kinds such as crows, Jays and magpies both sides in general and Ravens in particular, have especially in recent years, but for a long time been known to be extremely intelligent and especially in recent years. Years we've gotten these studies that show these startling displays of intelligence in lab conditions, and there are tons of examples of this. If you want. A whole episode focused on this subject. Go back to the one. We did a couple years ago called the unsettling depths of bird intelligence. Oh, yeah, that was a good one that we also talked a little mythology in that when I remember hugging and moon, the norse mythology represents aspects of what Odin memories, thoughts and his memory. yeah, and we also talked about it with Jason Ward when he came on the show. Yes, to talk about the birds of the city, but the yeah, there are just so many interesting stories about what cords and Ravens in particular can do. just one recent example I was reading about about the intelligence of Ravens in particular, came from a couple of researchers at Sweden's Lunde University named Can Kaba Die, and Matthias Owes Fath-. Who did a study where they showed really intelligent interesting forethought, or at least what seems like evidence of it in Ravens so it's already been demonstrated. Many Times corvettes like crows and ravens can use. Use Tools, and that's one of the hallmarks of complex intelligence once thought to belong to primates alone you know if you go back and look at old textbooks, it's like only humans and great apes can use tools, but nowadays corvettes and sincere certain occupy. Take issue with that Oh. Yes, certainly and one of the interesting things about this to me. Is that tool using suggests that? If you go way back in time, rewind the clock and just let evolution run out in a different way, if other types of animals with the seeds of tool, using intelligence could have independently developed their own technological civilization, the way primates like us did yeah. What sort of world would it be if it was a world of coordinated Technology Raven world. But so yeah, we know now that Corbin's like ravens used tools, and this more recent study showed that once ravens had learned that they could use a particular tool to open a box and get a piece of Dog Kibble, which they absolutely love, they would choose if they could to grab that particular box opening tool and keep it on hand win. The food box was not even present so that they could use it to open the box later whenever it was presented to. To them maybe you know minutes or hours later, so that's already interesting like the bird is recognizing okay I can use this tool to get food. I'm going to hang onto the tool. Even though I can't use it right now. Gather thinking ahead. Also the same researchers demonstrated evidence that Ravens on average have a pretty strong ability to delay gratification to get better reward like those as demonstrated in humans with the marshmallow test. Yeah, yeah, so of course the classic marshmallow test, I? Why am I getting a tickle? The that somehow people have questioned the setting of that test now. They, certainly been a legacy of reproducing the test and altering the yeah different different versions of the test me I don't remember what that is off the top of my head. Maybe we can revisit that in the future. That'd be fun basic ideas like you know. If you cannot eat this marshmallow for five minutes, you'll get three marshmallows or something. and they do a version of that kind of thing with different animals to test their abilities by in large animals are terrible at. At this just hopeless they live in the moment. They have impulses immediately. If a piece of food is in front of them, they're going to eat it, but in this this current group what the study found is that when you give the ravens choice between okay, you can grab an okay piece of food right now, or you can grab a tool or a bartering token that the ravens have learned can be used to access a better more delicious piece of food later. One of these experiments showed the ravens will pick the delayed path to better food more than seventy percent of the time it. Was Seventy three point eight percent of the time they'd get the tool or the bartering token than they knew would lead to the better delicious piece of kibble. Oh, well, and in these experiments, the intelligence of the Ravens in question was even sometimes an impediment to controlling the experiment, because for example I was reading. A motherboard article about their research where they talked about how there was one raven started building his own tools to defeat the box. So instead of using the tool, they were supplying the Raven. It was like I. Can I can get around this, and so it was like putting together sticks in an arrangement there were could trigger an open the box without the tool. They supplied it in also that one raven apparently started trying to teach the other ravens how to exploit the box. Wow, and neurologically speaking. It's been shown for example twenty. Twenty sixteen paper in a by Ochowicz at all that birds like cords, and some parents have an enormous number of neurons packed into the four brain areas, quote, large parrots chords have the same or greater four brain neuron counts as monkeys with much larger brains. Avian brains thus have the potential to provide much higher cognitive power per unit mass than do mammalian brains, so mammals primates like us. WE'VE GOT A. A bigger brains than birds do, but it seems like birds are really packing in the neuron connections in there to make make more with less matter, but there are also really startling. examples of social intelligence incorporates like Ravens like their stories of how the trainers who have close relationships with Ravens can train these ravens to follow and fly ahead of them. There's even video as watching before we came in. In here of a BBC segment, where they had a raven trainer, who had a relationship, a previous existing relationship with this raven that he'd trained for a long time, and this guy's riding along on the side of fast moving truck, with the Raven just like flying along chasing after him, trying to land on his arm so I mean that kind of activity. You like the Raven chasing after it makes me okay. I see. Potential possibility for like a delivery system. Involving Ravens doesn't seem entirely out of the question. Just remembering when we did this earlier episode on Bird Intelligence, one of the things we did was I interviewed one of the researchers who'd worked on a paper that we talked about in that episode on on bird intelligence The researcher owner Guenter Yes, and you know I I was asking him about the differences in cognitive ability between different bird species, and basically the question of have we underestimated all birds, or is it just basically core Vitz? Parrots that are smarter than we thought, and he was pretty generous in his estimate of all birds. Though of course, Corbin's in Paris he said you know essentially, there's no major cognitive difference between what they can do, and what primates can. Can Do so yeah, he's putting them like way up there on the cognitive ladder th, they're much smarter than we realized for a long time, but even birds like pigeons chickens, he put more on the level of mice and rats. which you know, I think the average person probably assumed. Oh, my sir lot smarter than pigeons. That's not necessarily true. Yeah, and in the idea that a chicken is up there as well I mean check made verner Herzog. Who I believe what he was. Hers, argued, said that Saddam. Being just this like. The overwhelming immensity of stupidity in. Guys Chicken. I think what he's seeing. There is not stupidity. He seeing like profound ancient magic. That chicken is a dinosaur. I mean birds are again. Dinosaurs Avian dinosaurs, the dinosaurs that are left, and he is seeing lineage going back tens of millions of years all the way to the junky. Sorry some deep cuts on Verner Herzog's. Interviews here, but can't go too deep. But anyway I think it is fair to say that Ravens are much more strikingly intelligent than pigeons, but also that pigeons are probably more intelligent than people usually give them credit for one interesting and funny game of thrones parallel came across. There's a scene in the in the song of ice and fire books where you know. The three eyed crow in the book series called the three crow in the books and three Ad Raven in the show. The guy played by Max von Sydow. I'll show. In the books CEO? He's talking to young brand stark which another side note I just found out the other day. That brand in Welsh I believe means Raven or means. but he's speaking to the character brand stark, and he says it was the singers who taught the first man to send messages by Raven, but in those days the birds would speak. The words saw the trees remember, but men forget, and so now they write the messages on parchment and tie them round. The feats of the birds have never shared their skin so I think this is different because he's talking about war, gang and magical stuff rise in. In the books, but he saying it used to be that you'd like. Tell the message to the Raven, and the Raven would go carry the message and win got there. It didn't let us enough to take a tag of parchment of its leg. It would just tell you the message, and this actually does have some basis in reality, because ravens much like parrots can be trained to mimic human sounds like talking even better than parents in some cases. And, if you don't believe me, look it up their videos of this online talking ravens. It's creepy. No it's not creepy. It's gorge. That's amazing because he I would have just assumed assumed that this is just a purely magical wrinkle in the world building here but yeah the idea that you could you can on some level, a trainer Raven to mimic human language. That's isn't incredible I. Think especially if you read them for it like the best the best, the ones best at mimicking human language and talking you bred them for repeating phrases, and you train them individually in their lives I. Don't know I think it's not out of the question, but I don't know of any cases in the real world where there have been breeding programs to try to bring out the best talking ravens. Or even I mean I don't even know to what extent that's been done with with parrots idea. At all I wonder. anyway a few other things of note, so I was reading about the University of Vienna Biologist Matthias Cloudy Loretto speaking to the writer Davies for the Guardian. In two thousand, seventeen, on the question of Ravens as messengers, so they're directly addressing this question from the the game of thrones show, and so larose a researcher who works with Ravens and he said the following, so he said they are good fliers maybe. Maybe not well suited to quickly crossing long distances some bird species are already biologically adapted to rapid long. Distance, migrations, Ravens are not one of them basically everywhere except in the Arctic Ravens, quote Non Migratory and move rather opportunistically that said they can sometimes fly across moderately long distances and now I'm trying to think back to my maps of West roasts exactly what sort of distances we're talking about between say. The. Wall and winter fell I. Think it's supposed to be pretty far I think I remember off the top of my head. The West Coast is supposed to be roughly the size of the continent of South America. Okay but to mention specific about Ravens traveling abilities that that that research I just mentioned. Loretto and couple of other researchers published a study in current zoology in two thousand sixteen that GPS tagged Ravens to track their natural. Natural movements out in the wild, and they found a a maximum movement range for one day of of about one hundred and sixty kilometers that was the maximum but this was not common in its way less than daily traveling distance of say a car. You know a lot of ravens mostly what they did. The researchers discovered was they hung around quote. anthropogenic food sources as not surprising. You know like the bodies of the dead. Up On pikes by victorious army, that would be an anthropogenic food source. I imagine it's more likely kind of a pizza rat scenario. Yeah, okay. But. In terms of how fast they travelled, they can be found traveling at speeds of up to forty kilometers per hour about twenty five miles per hour. So let's see how this matches up against the Maistre Raymond. Quote I read earlier about why Ravens are better than pigeons at at delivering messages, so compared to the pigeon. Maistre Raymond says a raven is stronger flyer larger boulder, far more clever and bettle better able to defend itself against hawks. So when he says that a raven is a stronger flyer than the pigeon. It's hard to know exactly what he means. There would depend on what stronger means but in. In general, I don't think that's true. If it means faster that seems to be a no, because the ravens normal top range of traveling speed looks like it's about forty kilometers an hour as we saw earlier, you mentioned the pigeon flies more than double. That speed generally flies a lot farther now. If means by stronger, he means like more acrobatic. That could be true. Ravens do have some kind of. They got some good moves like and you can. Can if you watch Raven flight and slow motion, it can be very cool 'cause they'll do. Like flips and twists and flap side down all Kinda strange stuff, no, in addition to the speed and distance of travel I haven't seen any indication that ravens have the same kind of long range navigational abilities that pigeons do they obviously have some kind of navigational abilities, but I've not seen evidence that there's has been shown to be of the same power powers. Powers that of the homing pigeon, so the ability to find their way back home from great distance that that may be more unique to the pigeon. No the part where he says it's more clever. That's absolutely true, undoubtedly more clever but does that matter much in delivering messages I don't know. How clever does it have to be to just get something from one place to another right I? mean if they're not actively engaging in spycraft if they're just. Taking a message, and delivering it without getting smashed by Hawk from one fortress to another. How how what do you need? I will come back to something. You just mentioned there. Though another thing, the Raven is generally larger. That is what what may Draymond says that is certainly true, but does this matter. If it's just delivering a small message written on a piece of paper, I mean I might be able to carry a heavier load if it needed to deliver something big. I mean if you're smuggling milk, the poppy around. Becoming, handy, but yes, after just a message. What second matter! Yeah! He says it's under I. Don't know exactly what that means, but I think that's probably true if it means like more aggressive. To approach familiar objects execute. It's training. Ravens are I think it fits that they are smart and bold, and they'll do what they need to do. When it comes to being better at defending itself against Hawks and other predators. I assume Raven's are large. They have very few natural predators mainly just humans in some of the larger predatory birds, sometimes including hawks so yeah. I think that probably is right. They are better able to defend themselves so I think based on what I've read I wanNA. Say That while pigeons. Pigeons are generally preferred, and it seems like they naturally especially when they've been bred this way, fly farther and faster with a message. I don't see any reason why Ravens couldn't in principle be trained to become messenger birds especially if they're bred for that purpose over many years like the pigeons have been I mean that's another thing to consider the domestication program here the again we have to look at the at the the long standing traditions that have enabled the the carrier pigeon. To to be the species of choice for delivering small slips of paper, right but then again while it may be the case that pigeons are more suited for long range delivery for multiple reasons, Ravens might be more useful on other kinds of long range jobs I would say for example if you want me to train an animal to actively do spying or reconnaissance of some kind like I could imagine that you. You might be able to train ravens to go into an enemy encampment, and recover certain kinds of objects and bring them home to you. probably better than you could train a pigeon to do something like that like if you were to train a raven. basically where the Raven knew that. If it found a flash drive, yes, it could return that and get a special treat. Yes, and then you would just. Receive Flash drives, and hopefully they would have something of interest on them I think there are some reports that throughout history ravens have been rumored to have been considered for for like war, surveillance and espionage purposes I don't know to what extent they've ever been fully used. especially not to the extent that pigeons have been, but there's your movie setup. Raven James Bond. I was trying to think of examples of other messenger animals in fiction. And nothing was really coming to mind except for the I I didn't read the book series, my wife or the books, but the at least the television series the magicians. ARIZON- sci-fi, they have these talking rabbits that they'll show these messenger rabbits, and they'll just sort of pop into existence on. Say Your table and they'll speak in this This kind of like weird. Almost almost Gilbert Godfrey Ish. Voice stood of liver the message. Wow, yeah. But. Nobody it's. We're not even going to consider the possibility of messenger rabbits. You're on this podcast I. Think we should consider Messenger Sicilians, the like underground Dome Fabian, the burrow through the earth, until they get to their target and the message and worms. It's dirty dirty by the time it arrives. There's some significant slime. Yeah, well, I wonder if there are any other really fascinating treatments out there I. Mean ultimately the Bir-, a bird is going to give you. The Best Bang for your buck right is going to be able to do to fly. It's going to be able to travel in a straight line. It's going to be able to execute a fair amount of. Reasonable like stealth and avoidance of threats and they're smarter than we thought. Yeah, unless I. Dunno in West in waterworld. Did they have like Messenger fish that they used? Even. That wouldn't be as good as the Messenger Bird. Yeah. MESSENGER RATS I duNno I well at any rate. If you're out, you're out there. 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"Welcome to kits myths and mysteries. I'm your host kit chrome today. Australia's yali australia's aborigines in eighteen o four shared sydney harbour with another tribe they described as flat nosed with wide nostrils thick sky browse and sunken eyes. Their mouths were prodigious with with six lipson prominent jaws. The aborigines regarded them as another other people. Entirely the who's are always meaning harry people historical accounts refer to australia's most prominent species being a a large species said to grow between six and ten feet tall weighing up to a thousand pounds is described as cryptic and said to who resemble a huge hair covered apelike man with talons for fingers compared to the north american sasquatch. It is believed to have more of a primate luck to the face and head and walk upright. It's temperament has also been described as more aggressive and dangerous towards humans counts while most people are skeptical of the account some believe it is an ancient species of hominoid that has avoided extinction these hominoid. Let's have been depicted in local cave argus tall harry figgers besides smaller aboriginal figures for sightings are said i do have been european contact and said to have begun with the arrival of the first fleet in sydney cove in seventeen eighty eight during the early colonial era aborigines often warned british sectors to be aware beware of an ape like creature lurking in the rugged rugged mountains and deep force of the continent aware day aware beware they said one particular account which reached london in a letter in eighteen twenty an encounter in seventeen eighty nine by convicts party of marines while on a hunting trip. The men killed a bunch of wallabies. He's and were returning to the settlement. When atop a nearby hill they saw on animal observing them among the trees which laid later claim was twice the hi ordinary man arguably one of the stranger and more controversial citing comes in the form of a photograph from nineteen thirty six. It is one of a series of images taken by rich jones while working at an isolated loggers camp in batllo located in the snowy mountains of new south wales two hundred and seventy nine miles south west of sydney. The image appears to show a large creature sitting with his hands in his lap behind two men on a wooden log. Further analysis of the photo purportedly shows the head area rusty nearest chest. I was looking down another well-known incident occurred in december nineteen seventy nine. When a local couple leo patricia george ventured into the forest in came across the carcass of a mutilated kangaroo they later claimed that the perpetrator was only forty feet away and described a creature ten feet tall all covered with hair that stopped to stare back at them before disappearing back into the bush. Science is the mother of all skeptics especially when it comes to an unknown unknown species and the owie is the only creature australian history to have been met with scepticism over its existence when european repea- and settlers sent a specimen of the platypus back to london scientists were baffled the egg laying duck billed beaver tailed autre footed mammal and concluded it was some kind of fake only one more specimens arrive to the scientific community except that it was real australia's show it was produced here at night owl sound studio and brought to you by al creek press and writers retreat at owl creek creek cabin dot com book savvy studio and the rogue valley metaphysical library. Remember you can listen tuesdays thursdays days to tales of ghost towns of the old west and my other podcast. If you're a writer have an idea for a book maybe written a couple of books in one little easier time of it. Check out my tuesday thursday podcast building a writer's life and of course monday wednesday friday. You can listen to kiss missing. Listen mysteries this kit chrome. Thanks for listening.
"Support for NPR and the following message come from Almond Board of California. Did you know the almond community is working on new ways to upcycle orchard. co-products halls and shells may create stronger recycled plastics fuel and more more at almondsustainability dot org. My father used to have a drawer full will of fake. Id's I remember that one said that he was a doctor and another said that he was an airline pilot but the details of the others have faded just remember looking at the miniature image of my father's face under the ID plastic and wondering what was going on was this scheme to get free parking or was he actually trying to fool a specific person and why I asked once but he wouldn't answer. He said he'd explained Glenn when I got older. Unfortunately by the time older came an infection had ravaged his brain so now I'll never know the truth. Never know if any of my theories worries were correct this is visibility from NPR. I'm Hana Rosen and Im Spiegel. This is the second episode of our fall season which we're using as an opportunity to bring you stories each month that are a little bit shorter and a little bit different in flavor from our usual spring episodes. Today's episode is a bit of very weird thing that happened to invisibly producer. Yo schoff you months ago. It's a mystery which like what happened with Lisa's father forced you to question what she should believe a story which by the end we hope will force you to question those same things to just a heads up today. Story contains some bad language. Here's your ever heard about the mystery from my best friend Juliana razz whereas who heard about it from her friend this woman Bethany Owl. Which is why not too long ago? Juliana and I poured herself some shots and mess cal all Bethany up to get more info high basically a little while ago. Bethany was on this dating APP called hinge and did you come across a profile of a guy named. Kyle and I was like that's weird. I I feel like I've seen before she thinks she's seen him before for because she's pretty sure she eggs and Hash browns inside his house my house actually when they once hosted this Asian American Journalists Ladies Brunch in other words. Bethany thinks the guy behind the hinge profile is my boyfriend. Kyle Kyle the man I live with and love of and to my knowledge the person I've been dating monogamously for the past six years and I was like Oh my God does something happened. Bethany is so weirded out. She just quit the up and goes to bed but a few days later she lands on the profile again and this time she decides to investigate to find out. If it really is the same kyle she only has a few clues to work off of a first name. Location Philadelphia and a profession session and music producer headroom studios name the recording business. My boyfriend runs high global kyle and grew like had videos or whatever and I come up with a facebook profile and so I kind of scroll through it to see what I can see. We're not facebook friends. SUSHI's scrolling. She can only see if you photos but then one of them she recognizes from the hinge dating profile you leaving over to one side and he's in this like cookie and he's he's holding a beer Eggen. Describe the photo memory. It's actually my favorite picture of Kyle because it's Oakland essentially him he's standing in a gas station the black hood up over his red hair his eyes are closed tightly and he's clutching this tallboy can of PBR as as if he's passionately playing Bass Guitar in front of a screaming audience just to make his friends laugh him. This is him so did you take screen and shots of the profile. I didn't I wish I had I guess they didn't have reason to take screen shots of the football because I was just like oh like maybe they broke up and then eventually despite blessed. I'm like I'm not going to spike right. Obviously that's weird seventies. Look I WANNA make sure you know I did not swipe live right. Julia efforts heard about at this from Bethany. She was horrified. Obviously worried for me like of course I thought that he did something wrong and I think that's just because says of like men and just because of like feeling defensive view so Juliana decides to go straight to the source to Grill Kyle L. and see what the man has to say for himself. I was at rehearsal and Jules texted me and said she had to talk to me. I I thought maybe it was like some question about you. chills Aka Juliana. She's like okay very uncomfortable but I'm just GONNA go. It sounds like Oh God what is this. GonNa be about and then to my relief so do you have a profile on hands and you're I'd never even heard of hinge. Kyle tells Juliana he doesn't have a profile on hinge that it's not him. He says maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. Eh Maybe Bethany Salva profile is other red haired producer in Philly. He's also named Kyle. You know people think redheads look the same and so of course like lettuce. Would someone would say so. I was like a little bit sketched. I duNNo. It was just like sketched out. I finally learned about the profile the night Juliana Confronted Kyle and I gotta say he totally believed Kyle at first but there is something about the details that kept needling me they're so specific headroom studios the PBR Guitar Photo and there was a way people look at me. When I tell the story at parties this flash of pity across the face like oh honey he made the profile and I don't know this donut trust I was floating in began to deflate. Maybe Kyle really had created the profile. Maybe he really was trying minded cheat and had chosen the dumbest most public wave doing it and then kyle was away on tour with his band. I was all alone at the house and finally snapped. Did you know that I was trying to get into your email. Thanks to two factor authentication. Kyle got an alert that I was trying to break into his email to spy on him though we didn't think anything was sinister at first reading maybe just like needed for some reason other than you didn't trust trust me and then. I think what they put us called together. I was then I saw annoyed. I mean as you should be and for the record. I'm not someone who's ever broken into a partners email before but that night I was feeling so unsettled old. I was like itching proof and it got me thinking. How often do other people find themselves in the same situation we discover discover your partner on a dating. APP and you have to figure out what's true or not true. Put out a call out and it got dozens of responses is a funny like the woman who's partner found out she was on tinder but it it turned out. She was just trying to buy some weed while traveling and meet a profile to make some connections other examples where more troubling happened when my daughter was nine months. Someone told me she created a fake identity just to see her husband would take the bait which did why and the downright dystopia anecdotes like the man who discovered that his boyfriend was messaging people on. Tinder which he says turned out to be another guy trying to ruin their relationship actually and then I talked to this person Lisa Marie. We're using her first name to protect your privacy because she was the coyote. Hi All in a situation absolutely terrified. She told me someone was impersonating her on tinder in though she was able to eventually convince her husband that it wasn't her her. She says a relationship was never the same not to mention. All the people in her. Life never seemed to stop thinking she was a cheater. How many many people just completely stopped talking to you. twelfth just straightaway completely removed from everything twelve of them gone. Lisa Marie never found out who was fishing with her identity and she still wonders to this day. Eh If someone was trying to sabotage her which brings us back to kyle in me like I know it could just be abide but what if someone was trying to sabotage him mess with Kyle mess with me or US as a couple or like so many people before for me was just being a sucker someone who mistook fake for real or the other way around after the break a very strange confrontation with the truth this visibility from NPR support for invisibility and the following message come from American Express. You've got big ideas for your business but figuring out how to make them happen can be a real challenge. Well the the answer may be as simple as American. Express financing solutions. 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That's on NPR's rough translation this visibily a- from NPR Yoi continues with her story. I wanted to clear Kyle's good name proved the doubters routers and maybe a tiny corner of myself that this was all wrong. Kyle wasn't a cheater and developed. There was only one way to do that. I needed to track down the real person or bought behind the profile. Juliana agreed to help me before we had to get kyle on board. Do you want us to figure it out for you. You don't care that someone is impersonating you on hinge. I mean I guess yeah. I guess I care when you put it that way. Getting someone is impersonating you and your business. Well okay. Yes that is other people other than Bethany who have swiped anew and matched with you at our like talking to you. Oh Fuck. I didn't think about that that maybe some like young musician will like match with me and then fakes kyle will be creeped them and they'll be like powerfully creep. I mean that's true totally happen. Kyle not for you out. I know I know sorry. Let's find this guy and the kid that how do you know what the Guy I. I don't know then then you have to kick her ass. They do her you. I'm good. I am in Austin in the backyard. It's been you. It's been a few weeks since investigation started. The plan is simple. Oh I WANNA try cat fishing cat fisher fine the fake profile and then lured person or bought into having a conversation with us and so that's what I've been up to getting unhinge every morning trying to train the algorithm to send me red heads with beards who happened to be music nerds meanwhile kyle even so he's been away on tour has a new clue he put up a facebook post about the fake profile and someone got in touch to say she seen him unhinge back in November November. Wow mid November means. It's been up for a while. I know I mean try not to think about it too much because it's it drives me crazy okay well we will we will get to the bottom of this or shut down. I promise but I mean I just hope. There's like some kind of way and find every person who ever you know messaged. Fake profile like it wasn't me but what if we never find who white is behind the profile would the profile has been scamming. Women are sending news news is Kyle spent my days and nights swiping millennial Asian version of Nancy drew and then an magically the other week a break in the case Elo I hey this is your way shah. I'm a reporter. A and I have my boyfriend kyle by my side Dude. Hey all my swiping had paid off and it arranged escape audio video call with the person behind the profile. He says his name is will that. He lives in the area and manages local pizza shop that he won't tell us the name of we've no idea how long he's going to talk to us so we get right to the point. Are you trying to get money. I mean I have a job. I don't no I don't need money from it. I wouldn't steal. You're not trying to blackmail US or anything right. No no I don't know. Are you going to keep on and women. I mean no not visit creeping involved conversation. We'll says he's talked to anywhere anywhere from six to ten women using Kyle's fake profile. He says he's just casual getting to know you. Conversation no scams nothing sexual or aggressive so he says. Why did you choose Kyle. I'm I'm still wondering myself so I mean like this isn't the first time I've done this. I've had a little experience so I started off by looking for cool like tech jobs in the city people that girls Charles Might WanNa talk to and then I came across headroom studios like in my searching and I was just like this is a cool guy I kyle. How does it feel to be thought of as a cool guy out now. ooh will says he started cat fishing for the boring reasons you'd expect he wasn't getting any action with his own profile and he just had more luck talking to women being someone else but that didn't move me being driven to that point of trying to get into my boyfriend's email which I've never done before and I'm so embarrassed about. I feel like that would be a deal breaker for so many people like I could have lost Kyle because of view well or anything positive out of this as this made your relationship stronger at all I don't. I don't want to give you the satisfaction of like feeling good about anything that you did but there's something about being tested astuteness way I don't. I don't know why you're telling him this. This is the guy who like impersonated me if he was even a little bit worse of a dude in my business could be alright host we asked will if you'd be willing to share contacts for the women he talked to Kyle and surprisingly he said yes. I hope nothing else comes of this like anything. You know reflects poorly on your name. Well time will tell if if it does we can meet up and you can you can punch me or something for a while after the call all kyle and I sat in silence mostly just relieved that now we have the truth and also the standing offer to punch someone thank you to Kyle pulley Juliana raise Bethany owl and Josh Johnson for playing. I will look at Fisher as soon as we had finished. I wasn't sure if it was believable or not. I was not confident in that performance but I was no. You did great you. Were Great. Thank you okay time for full disclosure. I'm GonNa give you the real truth. The way related try for months and believe me. Eh Trier and never found the fake profile. Let alone the person behind it and so I decided to ask this Guy Josh from Improv class to make up a character and we improvised that entire fake cafes or call this after all is a story about the blurred lines between fact and fiction and now destabilizing can be to not have a clear sense of which is which so instead of just telling you about the experience I was going through. I figured why not actually give you the experience yourself so now you feel it right no longer safe. Maybe a little wary. All because of one false thing in an otherwise true story was fact checked by independent reporter. I hope no one feels betrayed uh-huh by the end of this like what no him. I feel like that might happen. The reality is there's all kinds of situations big and small the create doubt that you can't get to the bottom of and so what we do often the settle on a story to get by why after all any story is better than a pile of question marks even though I know it's not real. I feel better having done a fullness. Therapeutic Kinda reminds me of role. Play therapy very active confronting someone even if it's just sure therapist pretending to be that someone gives you the chance to work through your emotions for just yell at someone for bed another possibly troubling example in case. We needed it that even a false story can provide comfort especially when it tells you what you want to hear. Uh that's the way it worked for me. How did that feel for you uncomfortable. Why because I hate performance art took way longer than I thought it would. We would not have talked to him like we did really what I'm trying to get the story no but you weren't the reporter quarter. You're just like you know trying to ask all these like wacky questions but that's what I do is. I know you're like what advice that's producer your way. Schall visibility is hosted by me. Hana Rosen and Mealy Spiegel our show today was edited they did by us as well as Neva grant an end gooden cough. Our executive producer is Kerr. Italo invisibility is produced by Shaw and Abby Wendell. Our project manager edger is Leona Sandstrom. We had help from Oliver Wang. W Good Hurts Mark Mamat Michael Ratner be Parker he up miakel not Lena Sense Kyrie Eerie Sauce and Rebecca Ramirez fact checking by Jameson Pfeiffer. Our technical director is Andy Hugh our favorite. It guy as Alfred Rabo will and our vice president of programming is on your grunge music for this episode by Young Carts Blew Doc sessions and Romney Arab Louis special thanks to O'Brien sat again devin spear into Troy Hunt and Alex Goldman for giving US Super Tech Support Alex Co host the excellent podcast. We all love reply. All if you don't owner ready listen do yourself a favor also a big thank you to the relationship advice and catfish sub reddit and all the people who shared their stories with us. We appreciate you. NPS just to be clear we reached at two hinge several times and didn't get an interview but we did finally talk to them about shutting down the fake profile so if you happen to spot at a red haired producer out there on the dating APPs Playing Air Guitar with PBR. Let us now Malcolm glad well as is one of the most well known thinkers in the world but he says a lot of his fans don't know that he's black white people don't know black people always how do you feel about that ah glad well on race pop culture and a whole lot more next time on it's been a minute from NPR support for this podcast and the the following message come from Delta Delta flies to three hundred cities around the world. That's three hundred cities where people singing the car poorly. Delta doesn't fly just to bring bring people together. They show we're not that far apart. Delta keep climbing.
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"Once Gerbo written that is so bad no one will film. It is brave. Podcasters will bring it to life just so they can market. This is table reads so the movies report which means your script a worthy buffalo shit on a nickel with Sean Mc be Jeff Lewis and Joshua Baker. Hey everybody welcome back to corona reads. We are here. I'm that's Josh Jeff on this other screens wherever those are we re branded Rona reads. I JUST WANNA give everybody a heads up right at the top of every episode. The redoing like this that. It's not our fault in these troubling times in these difficult times BUYATOYOTA. It's important to have a scapegoat. And since I don't like to edit or put in extra effort to make sure the podcast sound super great I just don't blame the corona virus. We we've all got a huge get out of jail free card right now. Some using it works good. Yeah but we have to say inside the jail. That's true jail in place. It feels like a very fancy jail right now. This is what White Collar Crime. Except you still pay your bills those guys. They're just like getting brought their caviar. caviar back back back when we were caviar shampoo. Those were the days horn thing. So this is part. Five of SAM. Hamm's watchmen do you guys think we're GONNA finish up next week. We were we're in the seventies right. Yeah seventy six thirteen. I hope so. I only made six graphics graphics episodes word. I'm going to start reading release low. Let's just bang on it real hard. You could just repeat. A graphic. Nobody'll notice probably should make it noticeable callers the joke previously on table readers after a fairly. Manhattan centric episode. We got a Manhattan free episode. That focused on the real reason. We're all here rohrschack after being captured by the CTO Rohrschack is locked up with all the requisite face smashing while he's under locking key. We learn his early origins in the most cinematic way imaginable. They're read to us as bullet points by overweight psychiatrist. Meanwhile Dan can't get it up until is scared by an assassination attempt on Adrian feet then rock-hard when you return to Roszak. We're given a better look. At the moment that Rohrschack went full psycho feed in Saul to all right. We're on. We're dissolve to your Sir Exterior Barn toward dusk a rural tree lined area the city a compact bubble car pulls up outside a big ramshackle barn and stops drabber gets out goes to the padlock doors. Fumbles in his pocket for a key after a moment Lori Wanders up beside him. Enough is enough Daniel. Exactly where are we memory lane? He opens the padlock. Ushers Laurie Inside Interior Barn. A Moment later inside the barn is a huge oblong shape covered with a tarpaulin game. And the Tarp you take that side. She goes around and Ben's on fasten the tart the two of them pull back to reveal the OWL ship. Who again with the unsurprising reveals. She goes up to the Al-Sheikh Tarp. How could you? How would you know it's Al shaped what if it had the ears poking straight up? Is there a bad under this? No it's eighth over the front and you just see like the too perfect circles for the is. I want to read his Batman script. Now because you remember in Batman you have that like suit up sequence like the glove goes on the other glove goes on the comes up. You see the Symbol on his chest nipple wonder if he wrote all that out like a bat shaped Cape at shaped Gauntlet and the bat signal symbol and then like hasn't been the shadows and says reveal Batman all his reveals are not reveals that all seen this new clown in town. He makes a lot of jokes that I wonder who this president could league. Al Pacino Tortilla The ship night owls. High Tech Hovercraft. It's a bit tarnished from years of disuse but it's still an impressive sight. Dreamworks stands back to admire it. Impressed Lori Wanders around to join him wearing an ear to ear grin the AL ships. I can't believe it. I thought it was time for a routine maintenance check interior. The owl ship that moment the two of them enter dreamworks sits at the controls and turns the electrical systems while Lori wanders through the cabin reliving dazed on by. I wish there was like how do you plan like Super Salt? And then when he opened the door it gets louder. Just has it and play it in there. Like on. Repeat Prides makes using the auxiliary batteries. Just run Honolu- you repeat this motherfucker cares. He's like I'm GonNa get laid one day a little AL condoms. Yeah Wow this brings back some memories. Does it still fly. Only if you're crying baby I I took her out a couple of summers back. Scared the hell out of some cows. I wonder if she'd make it down to Antarctica Antarctica. Adrian's headed down to a secret retreat. He invited us to come along. I've been thinking if things do get nasty. It wouldn't be a bad place to sit out a war. Would you want to sit out a war? I mean what would be left. You'll need baby you and me you and me. He looks directly at her suddenly uncomfortable. She averts her gaze gets up and begins. Rummaging around in the back of the cabin fever turns back the control panel feeling subtly with deck rejected. Yeah you're right. I wouldn't make it down there anyway behind him Lori. Let's out a little squeal of delight. She's just opened a compartment door. Incited are a handful of gaudy costumes. They're old superhero. Togs stand dispirit costumes. I can't believe you kapil me. Neither definitely not for sex reasons. Just just storage yes. Why Mine. All sticky bit sticky spector. I don't remember taking any bullets to the CROTCH. Area was our holds. It's actually on a doll. I don't remember having my mouth open like this mind. Barely even fits and try to remember why we did it and I can't helping people. Or writing wrongs or trying to save the world. I don't know it all seems so abstract lorries holding her old costume against shoulders eyeing herself in a small mirror above a sink. God you sound like John Turnaround. What are you up to? Don't look turnaround looking he complies. Laurie begins to undress in the back of the cabin. Hold on two hours ago. I was trying harder than anything to fuck your brains out now. I do not want you to see my tips. He missed a chance that it's about the surprise dude. Twos also drunk ability. She's drunk she can't be like you're not a slight. I'm not a slut. I was inebriated. I need permission from Mr Jack Daniels. He's the headmaster by all-girl janitor. Mr Boston school bus smirking. He complies Laurie against undressed in the back of the cabin. This better not be what I think. It is okay. Strieber turns around lorries in full cost costume looking quite imposing and in a perverse way quite beautiful. She's dressed as an hour. It's just a really big AL carcass. Wrong she put the wrong dot. Now you put on this Dan Roy Second Smells. I beams here with me. This is way better. I like the I like the fucked up. Kinky version of watchmen. They're already kind of fucked up Red Kinky but as bad as turns around lorries in full costume looking quite imposing an in a perverse way quite beautiful. He Feigns Shock. My God. It's the silk. Spectre scourge of the underworld defender of the week in the Flesh Flesh. She ambles over to the control panel embraces driver behind and strokes his thinning hair or Daniel. You really miss it all. Don't you saving the world? I guess I do. Maybe we can still save ourselves. She's she's reliving hero days and he's like maybe we can save ourselves. That's gotTa be right. Maybe we can run away from danger. Super Oranje just like having these memories of when they save the world and did something so fucking big and he's like yeah but like we we look at this these like. Yeah that's cool. We can save ourselves from this horny feeling. We're both definitely. Have you know baby? Running away is my middle name to people. Miss this al. Shit that are horny without Boehner. Dissolve to exterior South Street. Seaport dusk a massive peace rally downtown. Thousands of citizens have turned out. Placards IN PROTEST. Signs are everywhere. Each remark is met by cheers and chants by Raucous Booze as well and while the crowd is split between pacifists and hawks. They're all frightened his help. Things are much the same in London Berlin possibly even Moscow. The end is Ni- and passions flair. It's anarchy waiting to happen. You know what the Joint Chiefs of staff are doing right now. They're sitting in the Pentagon talking about a first strike. That's right a burst strike. Thank the reds. Ain't doing the same thing. Then for the love of God. Let's negotiate. We could start a war but we can't stop. It is Pinkos Simpson. That drove doctor Manhattan. Demars that Manhattan was in any human fascist. It's bad judgment. Jesus away Heckler fights his way on stage and lunges for the microphone. Jeff has just been waiting for not then. They will with no versity essay. Nukem now you think. This is some kind of grudge match. We're talking the end of the world. The two of them grapple at the Mike and the heckler falls off the stage on. Cue the crowded rupp's fights break out. Cup starts swinging rifle butts stopped cops start swinging rifle butts cub start swinging. But they don't know how to use the gun. The gave us these new billy. Globes as pro swarmed the stage our gaze turns upward. A trio of hovercraft hangs in the air above the seaport their undersides outfitted with heavy artillery. Turrets bear the initials. C Hugh Interior C. T. you hovercraft that moment dusk. Ct You men watch the nascent riot through the plexiglass canopy of had it with these a holes. Drop the gas exterior seaport. That moment. Does I was just picturing Batman on route going too late panic. Ammonia crowds as tear gas canisters exploded in their midst. The to you ships descend ever closer to the ground. Hear all cease and desist at once. We will not hesitate to use force a couple of cops go down in the Malay Writers. Grab the rifles. Turn them on the CT. You ships overhead others in the crowd fling rocks. Rick bats whatever's handy hysteria rules. Hey guys what's a brick bat? I don't know I'm going in Google that Google should out of that. I need to know what brand piece of brick typically when used as a weapon. So it's so it's a brick with velocity to ban not a it's not a brick at rest gotcha brick wall if you eat a brick Bat d you get brick corona virus Rick Zona. Wow we've got the that's not good. It's it's used. Ironically to highlight. How terrible my joke was. I like how you use it. Ironically a favorite what's a brick bat interior barn dusk walks around to the front of the owl ship with a toolkit wiping his hands on an oily rag. Bros he calls insides. Laurie guess that ought to do it. Let's shut it down. Laurie no reply Julius he climbs aboard Interior Alison that Moment Lori. Standing by the Monitor the Instrument Console. Her face is distraught agonized. Daniel you ought to take a look at this on screen. It's total screaming chaos cannons on the bellies of the CTO hovercrafts swivel randomly spitting automatic. Fire the mobs below. What the hell is a peace rally? Ct's just to open fire on the crowd. Shh Oh Lord Jesus No. He turns away paralyzed with or Laurie watches. Awestruck there's just blowing them down this is it this the end of the world. This is one that looks like camera moves in close on driver stricken face says we cut to flashback processed footage. We'RE BACK IN SLOW. Mo Sepia land the Golden Age superheroes the owl ship emerges from a fog bank and rises Mo- drastically into frame like the Seventh Cavalry arriving to save the day seventh cavalry. Oh Man As it draws closer the perspex canopy coming into view. We can just make out night owl at the hill with silk spectre riding shotgun a frenzied mob below racing right and left there aimless motions stylized and surreal there. The for everybody. Who's listening to this? Fucking thing. In a stylized unreal way turbine for your crime. They're beset by sudden windstorm. Is the OWL ships powerful blowers clear the tear gas from this fantasy equivalent of Seaport Plaza faces turnstile fingers point and suddenly the footage were watching undergoes. A subtle transformation colors bleed in sound comes up the pace of the action quickens and when we cut back to the ship overhead. We're in full color and real time aerial shots on our ship because the ship is really there and I gotTa Stop. You for a second. My fucking audacity stopped working. Oh are you according to speed or no I am okay? It just crashed on me okay. So I'm just going to have to use the skype channel. You have to use the sky channel. I just restarted it. But it's like twenty three minutes. So did you lose what you had or does it automatically save that file? I just started up in. It's gone nothing. Came out of it. Excellence so you want to use skype for the first half and then Josh is good ship for the second half yes and do you know who is to blame Sh- corona. I just had a hard. I decide to heart blue screen of death like while we were digging a break too so I saw that today. Computers very windows catches the corona virus along with every other virus if some five G. Towers don't know man buffalo above low has been fucked unlike draw soft. Push it in there. It's funny that you can't get it up. But yet the man who cares nothing about the world or pleasures got three race ends at the beginning. I mean he could manipulate matter with his mind. Man Dick Bihar so. Dan was unable to get it up. Because it's been a while and he's nervous Lori. Meanwhile was Ravenous for the Dick because she was getting them to three the time. It's been like four hours since she got laid. Come on it or one regular Dick not for blue dicks. You don't even taste like a battery doesn't tingle it all go get that tinguely. Got Regular Non Alkali Need Dick. I need that nuclear de Lithium nine volt battery two years. Then let me suck. I was thinking about like the Kinky step a doctor Manhattan it could be Dr Well Manhattan and instead of a bitch lady and she got. Yeah so she got like we'll blue nipples big giant like like two story blue badge or she still gives herself a day even better even better tread gender with with a huge Blue Dick and titties just like just bape rising people in Vietnam. I wonder if it's GonNa hit hard enough on the fact that like the you know the funny part about the fact that he couldn't get it up is because he had that fear then was nervous like the. The idea that Batman couldn't get it up and like a regular situation like to prove out because not out Batman right but actually based on Bloomberg nine and I was bitch Russia expanded. Yeah they were based on trust and characters but that was the original thing Dr Manhattan was Captain Atom a Rohrschack was the question. Night Owl was blue beetle and then. Dc there There are a couple other ones for Ozzy Mantius and silk spectre they're like real deep cuts. I can't remember their names but the original plan was to use those characters because DC was licensing them from Charleston or had just bought them and then DC was like you know what we want to put these characters in our books properly. So don't use them. But just I mean I'm guessing that's where this is going to go but instead of the prison outbreak the they'll just start kill some peaceful protesters and or the police. Yeah either way at the end of this. Someone's going to be hard hopefully me. I've got the ALZIRA already go. Leonard Cohen Qaeda. Pu because the owls ship is really there and by God. The watchman are back in action a quarter mile above the South Street seaport but God. It says that in the direction says he's talking to himself at this point interior. He's like nobody's GonNa fucking read this. I'll be God to that big pickup vacuum cleaner. I'm trying to write interior at that moment. The three ships are now visible through the cockpit. Dome Okay Lori. Let's see if we've still got what it takes. That's that's his superhero voice. He's putting on the deepest voice on the panel a computer targeting device homes in on the ship Interior. Ct Hovercraft that moment a radar man stares at the head is console in puzzlement Sir. We've got an odd blip off star bird. The ship rocks violently as a sudden explosion aerial. Shot on C. T. Hovercraft blows the cannon mount cleanly off its underside the ruptured wobbles trying to right itself but to no avail jet sputtering it lurches toward the harbor and slaps down hard against the water. Angolan crowd pointing at the sky in disbelief. Look up there. How Long. How long was this ship? Bombing these fucking citizens that again to the news. They solid on the news right and then they flew there and they're just still fucking. I'll give you a hint bus in more protesters half second wave protesters go get him in here. Get Him in here. I think there finally listening to reason. They're almost out of unreasonable bomb. Unreasonable bomb see stepping over the dead bodies of all their predecessors. The protesters union must have real strong membership. They're just very good like it'd be technically minded oddly enough for peaceful protests that they're going to bomb that. I know how does the protesters union pickets their job? Oh what if they? What if they think that? The protests Eunice corrupt. Well like yeah. It's the protesting. Union is if whatever you wherever you're protests places and you're in the protesting union and you want to go on strike. You can't because striking is protesting and protesting makes you a scab if you're on strike for the audiences on the. Meta level of this episode shines is Sean just rat this scene into the whole crux of the story of who watches. The watchmen protests and organization. What if the protesters become corrupt? How do you watch created because the concert corrupt? But who watches the people watching those who who scabs the SCABS? A loved Sean. Brought it around with a bit fucking art. Like inception levels of watchmen interior. Al SHIP ON DRIVER. He barks microphone. Sorry he barks into a microphone attention. Ct You but we're saying another attention. C. You cease fire immediately exterior. Seaport that moment dusk ground level from the midst of the bewildered crowd. We watch the OWL ship in the you talk some serious trash or we'll blow your ass is out of the sky. Unregistered graft yourself baby. We're a blast from the past instantly. Regrets saying that is so good with with the speaker like that. That's what it should say is maybe were a blast from the past instantly. Regrets saying that that should be the cut it off like Dan that was stupid. The crowd in a frenzy. Most of them are taking it. Wait what most of them are taking it on the Lam said one am. That's why. I was confused. But a dozen hardy. Souls are standing stock still transfixed by the strange sight. Overhead this line. I'm not doing it. The watchman excitement ripples through the crowd is the ship's Bob in the air clumsily turning face their attacker soon. The ships are hanging immobile in mid air squaring off face to face a wild west showdown except not at all on the prowse of all three craft missile launchers rotate into position. Interior Owl ship. That moment driver with his hand poised on the throttle. We're GONNA have to shave. This close is like on it. I'm doing stop moving. The ship already incident before the CT rockets fired Driebergen shoves the throttle full forward aerial shot on our will ship with a burst of flame. The owl ship bless off the two rockets converge on the point. Where the OWL ship was hovering a millisecond before and collide boom the owl ship. Meanwhile hurdles forward slicing directly between the two. Ct YOU SHIPS. The crowd cheers. I really need some cheering on my soundboard. The money on one holding their friends and their arms dying. I don't watch them and save some of us. Has Anyone seen my leg? Oh Jesus the line we feel like it's a typo like it must be. It must mean Laurie. Driebergen rides the joystick. Laurie watches a monitor showing the view from the ship. They're following us all right mission accomplished. He's no sooner said it than machine gunfire peppers the rear of the ship. He Arcs hard. Left and drops taking evasive action. Exterior World Trade Center night. The OWL ship streaks between the Twin Towers a second later the CPU ships rip passed on side. What's happening here is a very sensitive subject lately. They're movie we would like to remind you that this movie was written in nineteen eighty nine. They fly right past. Cdc Oh Kobe Eighty nine exterior street nights astonished pedestrians Gape at his our dog. Fight above them dogfight. Have you seen two blimps in a dogfight before? I don't know if you can call that a dog fight. I don't know what an evasive maneuver. Looks like? An the HINDENBURG. Maybe own action attack. The OWL ship dog-legs around a darkened office building. A missile blows a hole in its facade. Aerial shot on our ship firing two missiles afterward at the pursuing craft interior owl ship that moment. Driebergen exhilerated. Laurie worried checking the rate. Read out Mr Dan Damon High. I don't want to take him out. Just WanNa keep them interested. They're practically honest. That Detroit Shit. I'm so worried. He punches a button on the Dash. It's labeled turbo likes it now? Kicking in turn bow drive for it on house. Third Fan aerial shot on airship the turbo-jets kick in the AL ship. Accelerates tough four hundred miles per hour after the dust? The chimp is is an actually Zeppelin. The integrates into pieces but they were just at a dog fight. Where's he going? He's leaving. He's being interested. Now there's twenty five feet away from the people they were murdering. We can safely assume that they'll just follow us for however long like there pep. Bela pugh just they. They're not in a hurry. They're just GONNA cruise behind us as six miles an hour as we zoom off into the horizon like I need to drag them away from the site and keep interested in their closing in on his day. And he's like well ain't no pussy several. They catching me got there. It's like you're forgetting the reason that you were coming out here. Running away is my middle name. They'll never catch us. The point was to catch exterior Holland. Tunnel night a line of traffic. Enters the tunnel the owl ship swoops suddenly and just clearing the arch enters above them. A moment later the lead ship tries to follow bad move. How how these are basically blimps trying to the obvious? He couldn't go. Four hundred miles per hour is. How is it anywhere near them? It can't be but less maneuverable craft rams into the lip of the arch and explodes. Oh you're the second ship hurdles toward a similar fate but at the last moment retro jets blasting at full force it manages the stop itself it backs up slightly edges up over the tunnel and settles for the Airborne Route Interior Holland. Tunnel a moment later. The OWL ship zooms through the tunnel mere feet above the tops of the cars horns. Honk brakes screech. There's an oversized truck directly in. Its path the OWL ship nudges up slightly and clears the truck by inches throwing off sparks against the roof of the tunnel. Interior Owl ship that moment. The end of the tunnel is coming up fast. Fog Blowers on activate radar shields exterior. He's he's threading fucking tunnel at four hundred miles per hour. That'll get his dick hard. Your margin of error is so low also also I think part of him is like God damn it. I'm going to ram some fucking tunnel. Oh I need to go in reverse not feel like whoever wrote. This just wrote a number. He's at four hundred is pretty bucket bass just GonNa put that day not really know it. Bad for two miles per hour is yeah seems right faster than my car. That actually reminds me I Worked at a film festival years back and we had Patrick Stewart as a guest and he did he did a little talking with the audience and someone asked him some Star Trek question. Of course because fucking nerds and he goes. I've never had much interest in sci-fi and I couldn't even tell you what I was saying most of the time I don't even know what warp speed is. I know you can't do it on the highway. Gene Roddenberry wrote that line for him and he's just been holding onto since then he's like. I'm just going to say this for the next until I die. Engage I've been holding onto this line. Saving it savouring. It's just for the Sarasota film fest. Thespians understand right. That's cool though like I love Patrick Stewart man peace. Who's the greatest I would? I would love to. Just meet him and Milton Everything. But Star Trek and it was like why are you? Ask Them? Pretend you didn't know from Star Trek Star Trek Patrick Stewart from the Green Room. So I actually did that. To William H macy at that same film festival. I was talking to them and all these people kept coming up and like saying how much they loved his latest movie. Whatever and after like the Fifth Person Walked Away. You know saying how great that one movie was. I was like you'll man. You were great in enter the Dragon. Bomb in Phantoms. Yo you're the best cuck in boogie nights that I've ever did. You really kill yourself in that movie. Also how are your kids doing in school by the way That's real topical. Um I don't know where we are. We're in right at the top of the page. The owl ship emerges from the tunnel and not his upward an almost vertical angle spewing dense clouds of billowing fog and its wake a few seconds later the lone remaining seats ship arrives but seeing only fog and no trace of the OWL ship. It pushes forward on a horizontal course and disappears into the darkness beyond for Water Interior. I will ship a moment later night. There in the middle of a cloud bank dream burgers wearing a look of intense satisfaction as Laurie. Nervously checks the radar Lori. We lost him. He flashes her a smug little smile laughing uncontrollably. She shakes her head and buries her face in her hands. 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So let's get back into fade in interior prison mess hall night the Usual Assortment of jailbirds lined up with trays in the serving line a prison trusty in hospital orderly whites enters the hall and falls in line at the end of the line falls in at the end of the line. I invented a line. He nudges the con in front of him. Just let the Pirmary lost about twenty minutes ago. The Con- nods and whispers to the man in front of him. The news goes through the serving line like wildfire. Within a matter of seconds it's reached the jailbird at the front of the line. A Hawk named T. Bone. I really want T. bones ago what there's biscuits in the toilets phone line. I'd like what the fuck is. He threw a pillow. I'll do whatever you want. Boss he'll like Have you guys seen johnny dangerously? Oh my God. It's it's an airplane style movie but set in the Nineteen Thirties. It's like a gangster airplane like Zucker Spooky movie with Michael Keaton and it's hilarious and you could watch it and that's all also Joe Piscopo plug you make money this podcast sponsored by Michael. Keaton know he's still around to hear them still healthy. Is this Just Otis went down. Tibo nods and carries his traitor nearby. Table were cadre of six enormous. Thugs are munching away. Presiding over them is the biggest man in the pen. Who Happens? Ironically to be a midget little bigger. His name is little bigger. Just heard boss. Otis bought it back and Rohrschack. This joint goes up tonight exterior. I've figured it was appropriate that I play the nature. What what could you be referring to? We never noticed anything. This is another telephone game thing. I let Jeff Play. T-bone Guy Fucking t-bone give you the news. Castor is The biscuits in the exterior aerial shot on ship nights drifting lease through a cloud. Bank the blunt proud of the owls ship emerges gradually from a shroud of fog and catches a shaft of Pale Blue Moonlight Interior owl ship that moment night through the cockpit window. Distant city skyline glimmers then disappears again behind wisps of cloud. We're taking a dreamy tour of the stratosphere slow and elegant somewhere Billie holiday is singing. I can show you the world I sorry. You're my thrill instruments blink and peep in the panel. No one's at the controls. The ship lurches a wine bottle tips and rolls noisily across the width of the cabin floor. A woman's hand reaches for it sets right. It's Laurie who's midway through a two minute. Kiss with Dr Bird. The pair of them are locking tight host coil embrace on the cabin floor their clothing and heaps around them better much better starts to say something settles back with a Serene Smile. Instead I've been. I know what made the different system what the costumes and all right. Driebergen scenes mildly shocked by the proposition. Then despite himself he starts to Chore Trouble She Poked Simplisafe. Till admit it no way? I'm not that much of a pervert. Yes you are no offense Laurie but it was silk spectre had the crush on. Tonight was the first time I felt like myself in ten years. That's because it's because Fuck you it's because there's nothing to be afraid of anymore world's about to end. I feel like I could save it. He grabs his cloak wraps around him and moves. Purposefully to the instrument panel he throws a few switches. Arc's the OWL ship. Hard right. You fully yourself. Would he doing long as we're on the subject perverts? I Miss Rohrschack. Let's bring it. What dreams rejuvenated exhilerated. Smiling ear to ear reaches the throttle and kicks the ship into overdrive. Now Jeff as you as you read this every year. Remind me in the comic. Do they suck on the owl ship? Y- they do so. Can you now fill me in on? Why everyone was so pissed off that they fucked in the L. Ship on the movie in the movie. Were they mad about that on the worry mad about that? I wasn't mad about. I like the I mean I. Maybe it was that it was kind of hard. They went a little long. The sexiness the hitting the I don't know why but maybe they were upset. That the hit the flame thrower in time with orgasm. Also in time with the chorus for Hallelujah they might have thought it was too gimmicky or something. I loved it. I thought it was great. Name was about that's true. Don't they do that in the book? I don't think they do the flame thrower in the book. I don't remember them doing that. I don't remember it being as like comedy and Shit like that but I mean at the same time. At least it wasn't this at least was them literally telling you why he was able to fucking get it up. They show it and they play it. This is like hey you got off because you like the idea of US wearing costumes. Don't you that's something you're supposed to like read like see through the character's actions dressed up no boehner lettering about of this subtexts. How you do that. No one will be confused by my script. So I'm looking at the scene right now in the book and they're like the costumes make it good. Dan. Yea The costumes had something to do with it. Oh so allen more called it out too yeah right there that I don't remember that well I guess you need to read it again. Read it again bitch downstairs. They'll do that. I like the fucking the kind of violence and shit. That's one of the things that movie kind of did a little better. I mean it's pretty obvious. Why do you need to say it? Say it whether you're war war Sam Hamm. Yeah all right moving on. Oh yeah got that. Cut to series of shots my favorite phrase in a script the prison and as sly stone. One said there's a riot going on silence. How and we get several quick glimpses of gleeful convicts running wild disabling guards over running cellblocks liberating weapons throwing food. They could have done this at any time. They just wanted an excuse. I GUESS BRIGHT THERE. There were no circumstances. That allowed this to happen. They just decided liked waiting for the one guy to die. Yeah like one day. They're just like Boorda being in prison. Let's not do that anymore. Throwing food of course they have a food fight in the prison. Breakout whatever Dr Lori Interior? Al Ship that moment Driebergen Lori back in full costume dregs eyes are riveted to monitor over the controls. I think we're just a trifle late. Jesus Dan out of the frying pan. The Monitor shows a magnified view of the prison complex below them. The prisoners have taken the quad at her exchanging fire with the guards in the box tower. It's an ugly bloody mess. Who Watches the watch tower? I know he's totally `bug fuck but he saved my life a half dozen times interior cell night. Sirens blaring everywhere. Rohrschack sits on his bunk. His legs drawn up before him. His eyes darting swiftly around the cell. I wanted to be eating beans that we are unsure. He got them just sitting there. Eating mystery beans. Mr Heaping mystery means. That's that's our new superhero group. I doubt started a new podcast. Welcome to mystery means interior maximum security block night. Smoking confusion escaped convicts racing to and fro past sprawled unconscious in the midst of all the chaos four menacing figures stride purposefully through the cell block. It's the PSYCHOTIC midget little bigger with really gonNA watch saying that was his three henchmen Carlos Roffe and t-bone wielding an oversized electrical arc welder. Before them they stop outside Roszak shack sell and grin and says the patient by an outlet. For this thing Rohrschack. I did fifteen years because he you. It's payback time ruffy outlet and plugs in the ARC wilder just have our outlets in the hallway of prisons to forty volt outlets arc arc welder real big electrical cable. They're going to plug into one. End On. Knbr shop unplugged at washing machine. I gotTa Plug in this arc. Welder still not the same. Voltage takes on own particular designated breaker. Whatever let's get into into it ship flies four hundred miles per hour keep going yeah. Carlos carrying a big nasty meat cleaver. He's back the panel. In rohrschack store rattles the cleaver in the frame. See this front. We're GONNA take puny little balls off and pickle them I where it is bad hilarity all around t-bone shoves Carlos aside and takes his place at the panel in the door we see. Let me see. Relax boys. Everybody gets a slice of Turkey but I get to carve. What's he doing now? No response from t-bone who stands there with his face pressed tightly to the panel. You Death I said. What's he gives? T-bone a nudge t-bone bones legs buckling. He topples over backwards landing flat as a board on the floor. A soup spoon. Quivers I on the air it's sharpened handle buried deep in his eye socket boss. Jesus son of a bitch. Where coming Roy CEAC? We're GONNA peel you like at great light. That toilets I love. I love the imagery of them. Plugging up this big fucking arc wilder this these huge flame and the guy next to pull out a knife. He's like yeah. We use this to get in there. We're going to talk about South. Your balls off guys over there with the fucking huge flame cutting through the bars drop this pendant but I kind of want one guy to go boss your doors. Well I don't think we're ever getting open open now. Maybe we should've used an acetylene torch. We just keep well shot boss this outbreak. We'd probably could have got some keys off. Guard took just shot up through the boss yet. These unconscious guards everywhere. They got guns. I've gotten pretty good at knife throwing standing all day. Turn also we're gonNA appeal you like a grape who. The fuck peels their grapes. Prison with a lot of time. My sister does does she. Yeah Josh I have news for you. That you're not GonNa like your sister's psychopath can jeff can you can you? Can you confirm or deny that? Yeah if you go grapes. That is true. Yeah I believe it. She's Kinda cool but then this this takes it too far love you. Katie Rafi Ignites the ARC welder and the boys go to work on the lock of Rohrschack Cage Interior that moment rohrschack waiting patiently on his bunk. The metal lock on the inside of the cell door is beginning to glow adult red cut to interior owl ship that moment night. Dreamer Hands Laurie. What looks like a pair of electronic earmuffs. Okay I'm turning on the screamers. We'll have to hit the roof running. He throws a switch on the control panel exterior prison complex moment later night windows shatter in the guard towers as a whaling ultra-sonic screech splits the air on the roof of the complex paralyzed guards dropped their weapons escaped prisoners clutch at their burst. Eardrums as the OWL ship descends and touches down the lock is bright Red Interior Roach. Xl that moment the lock is bright red. Smoking over on the bunk is lined with exertion. His back is wedged tight against the wall of the cell his legs straining against the lip of his toilet grunting and groaning. He manages to knock the toilet off. Its mounting the pipes spew. Within seconds the floor of the sellers flooding interior cellblock outside door a moment later. Rafiq kills the ARC. Welder stands back. Raith Oh okay boss. That ought to do it. They give the doors shove it swings inward and gallons of water come gushing out little bigger steps back and discussed what the briefing Carlos gap into the cell. They see the broken toilet. But there's no trace of rohrschack comedies in whereas the fucking run Carlos advances cautiously toward the cell. The Cleveland his fist interior. Still that in answer to refuse question. Rohrschack is hiding behind the door. He slams shut on Carlos outstretched hand the red hot metal of the law catches Carlos Wrist. He shrieks drops the cleaver giving Rohrschack. Just enough time to snatch it up. He jumps monkey-like and stands poised on his bunk as the door swings wide and an enraged Carlos charges in clutching his scorched. Four on your mind. Now you little from the bunk. Rohrschack flings the cleaver. It strikes the floor between Raytheon Carlos neatly severing the power quarter of ARC. Welder is sitting in an inch of standing water. Raytheon Carlos do a herky-jerky dance as twenty thousand volts course to their bodies and pitch face down into the water all lights in the cell dim and die little bigger back. Soften gibbering horrors. Rohrschack finds down off the bunk off his bunk in the selling calmly steps over the bodies of the dead. Your Move Bryant the Midget Kingpin. Lets out a scream and tears off down corridor. As fast as his stubby little legs will carry him. Interior prison corridor. A moment later Driebergen. Laurie move down a dark abandoned corridor trying to get their bearings. Where are we what happened to the lights? Generators will kick in in a minute. We should be close to solitary. Their hands turned toward the their heads turned toward the end of the passage. Where a second quarter crosses? The one that are standing as they watch a screaming midgets sprints past and disappears Driebergen. Laurie blink in disbelief a moment later. A familiar figure with bright red hair. Strides past Rohrschack rohrschack pauses. He stares at his costume colleagues for a second and a half and keeps on walking. Interior Prison Cross corridor of later. The terrified little bigger realizes he's just hit a dead end. He throws a glance over his shoulder. Sees rohrschack moving up on him desperate? He ducks into a men's room. Rohrschack follow his pace measured and deliberate behind him. Laurie Andrea have just rounded the corner into the Cross corridor worship. Is that you he turns and holds up a finger. One moment please. Then home and his passionate he enters the men's room driebergen. Laurie stand the end of the corridor. Mildly boggled. What's he doing? He's going to John. My God we bust them out of jail in the middle of a riot and he stops to take a before she can finish. Rohrschack reemerges wiping his hands on a paper towel. He wanders up to the to join them without so much as a howdy that was quick clogged short haired. Outta here. Feed House. Seem like a good place right. Sorry I had you guys muted. I said I don't know that. Seems like a good place right. Yeah it's a good place so jeff. You're the watchman Aficionado here. What do you think? It's fucking roasted once again. It's a thought that really changed too much. This is This watchman light this is you all the nuance gone. I don't I kind of think that waits a little bit of time. With the whole airship chase scene. I feel like that was something. They thought they had to put in there. But you've you've got this huge cast of characters. I was you wasted. Not showing any of them like instead so a bunch of c clicking planes and these would be miniatures managers. Yeah eighty nine. Yeah so I mean. I don't know why you would waste time doing this. This scene really didn't said I didn't really feel like little. Bigger was a factor. There was nothing built up. I didn't care do the tall order thing. Which was my favorite part. It makes you feel any better about the dog chase for half the time. He had the clouds on. So you couldn't even see the ship right interesting to look at not only do you have a cast of like. Don't know like six to eight pretty good characters you can be followed get. We're just GONNA stare at this airship that's also came of lies for like five six minute chasing but yeah no other than that. It's it's babies I Who that patient. Whatever the sort is out he could take make you think too much. Yeah you almost wish. He just took the concepts and went in a completely different direction. At least make either. If you're not gonNA take it one for when don't take the skim off the top and just be like yeah. This is what the watch me comic book but just just either do something different to do one per one. What do you think Josh? It's I mean I wasn't a big fan of the film. I recently read. Reread the reread. The book and I didn't remember eighty percent of the book of like it's been A. It's been a minute so since I read the book I F First Episode. I reread the book. And now that we're here. It's it doesn't feel that light to me. It feels a lot of it is kind of like affects similarly. It feels like a little bit of facsimile but it loses the magic a little bit in between the book and like a script so. I think if they were to put this to film it might turn out pretty good but it would depend on how they did it. So it's almost like when you see a painting that one of Davinci's students did. That's the same as one of DAVINCI's paintings and you're like it's it's the I can see that it's the same thing but it just is missing that reading. We're not really shitting on it too much. It definitely wouldn't been like a top ten worst. Superhero movies may like it. Just be like a really cool version and then we might not have gotten version of it so it might have just been stuck in nineteen eighty nine and introduced new people to it if you attach the script to a really awesome team. Great director producer. Get some good actors billion. That's who was directed. Yeah you can take out. A good director would see it as a care to drama. If they read the book right along with they'd be like okay. Yeah so but they can be like okay with with like fucking with something in nineteen eighty nine. That hasn't really been done a lot. Like fucking with how time works in a movie like the Doctor. Manhattan stuff is super hard for someone without vision to be like. How do I how to I so someone seeing past present future all at one time? And how do I like baked that overwhelming to a human? The other thing is watchmen is such like perversion of the entire Superhero. Genre that FRY. It doesn't work in less. You're familiar with the superhero genre. Like this shouldn't be. What introduces anyone to comics? Because you don't know the trucks at that and so this movie in one thousand nine hundred nine. The world wasn't ready for it wouldn't have landed even if he were making that sort of new on superheroes that the script sorely missing honestly. Yeah that was in the book because all we had at that point was some superman movies that head for so far in the past that nobody was thinking about them anymore and one Batman movie. That's really all had to go on. But you know by the time. Zack Snyder's watchmen came out. We had plenty of superhero movies. And we were steeped in that full thing so you turn it on. Its head because a large part of the book. Is that showing that the reason these people did it. There was the minute man. Like when they're talking about under the under the hood like he was even doing just could he liked to work out and he liked punch people and half of them wearing it for fame they wanted publicity than others were in it for spur fetish like nobody was actually doing it for good reasons. They were all being a hero for selfish reasons. And that's what tried to highlight because good people joined the police force right at the fucking or the army or something you know you don't fighter an EMT. You don't have to dress in skin tight latex and go out and punish people in back alleys and you're like I'm doing the world so much which is what I love about. That man definitely plays by the rules because I mean he's got billions of dollars in which he can actually change society and instead he's like I'm GonNa Punch this city and that's what you're absolutely right. What he was looking at it in the mainstream in one thousand nine hundred nine. No one looked at Batman on the screen and was like that's a man would Middle East U S. A six foot five man in a latex bat suit running around punting clowns. We need get some help. They definitely were not saying that about Michael Keaton. So Josh you can. You can check me out. Joshua Baker Dot Com. I've been doing a lot of film work. Prior to the corona virus after that I've been doing some real estate work and a little bit of product work. You can reach out to me at Josh. J. O. H. At John Jay Bakker Dot COM. 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IWVT Ep. 125 Hairy Eyeball
"Improvised Weapons Features Audio from Donald Boards Dot Com it provides premium music sound effects and voice that enhance any tabletop experience until you know Bieber with the battle part prime subscription you can get access to the entire catalogue as well as tools like soundboards. The mixer battle boards cast allowing broadcaster audio online across any virtual tabletop service. It you can even upload emits from your private audio wiber and with battle boards prime you getting twenty twenty percent discount on all purchases head to battle boards dot Com. Subscribe to battle barreds prime using coupon code. I W V tea chest to save some money and what the mobile century battle parts to your game to the next level the greatest table top audio library material uh following original actual play dungeons and dragons podcast featuring comedians and improvisers in the great state of Vermont. Welcome to improvised weapon's. uh-huh less time on improvised with greetings. Oh Lash mich- folks are you just like trying to torture me here. Element that by the Lord to gather. Yeah there you that's not okay. I take arms my arms. Don't go anywhere and you spend the nights curled up with the DA the ABC's expert Thracian Colder Seas. I hope your I hope you keep cackling good guy didn't need. Did he show his face. Bin Melted off by that amazing metal version of our theme song owned by the incredibly talented Adam Ribbon. If so we apologise. We should have told you to put a towel down our. They're just thought that the beginning of the final battle required says no. You won't keep you waiting any longer. It's quipped and welcome to improvised weapons. It has all led up to this Kassian. CNA Owen and ill Dov. And your Fiqh caused enough of a distraction at the feast to be able to dash into the open library doors unnoticed and as they were making their final preparations before confronting elders old. They were surprisingly joined by Ola. Let us not dilly dally any longer. That is where we pick up. The five of. You are standing in a dark hallway. Oh Lage has just tapped alien on the shoulder and said hey guys I heard you needed help. What what are you doing? Where did you come from? But I came up the stairs. There's like a whole lot a a whole lot of nonsense going on down there. Snowing really noticed me. Sort of trolling fire. Oh that was that was you guys. Yeah yes that was awesome thank you. How'd you get down into the city? What do we have time for the? Oh yeah I mean and like I feel like we have a thing to do I could fill you in do you want me to do it. Now lifespan big bad guy with us. Yeah Yeah that's what I'm here to do. We're all on the same page as this conversation's going on yards and set a darn thing and he just slowly walks over and it just gives her a giant bear hug big hug around the waist yep runaways tests in makes it a group hug coming in coming in for the group and as this all happens you notice. Your fake doc is hairless full full Brazilian. Oh Oh my God what he looks looks he has. He has like no Chin that beard was really important but is it is unsettling God. Don't directly the I. It'll just make you sick just straight up in the air. So she can't see. It's been a week since we left her thirteen eighteen days thirteen days hairless and missing an arm. Yep We turn to grow into. It looks like that we really must get to find and Oh by the way we do things as. Yeah if we don't have time to get into why. You are fickle. He looks do we have obtained for. What's his name is good or he's he's been teaching me how to read? Yes how's the sex ex- though no we haven't gotten there yet. We're taking getting things very slow right. Read I sex later. Okay Lake. That's fine uh-huh Catholics. Favorite Song is your body. Is a dictionary whispers by the way we are take pills song Jiang. Yeah it's a different capable though overgrown it just like around high-fives maybe should should I should i. Should I pull some animals out of my bag of tricks. God Oh Might as well I mean not tasman show off his amazing animals he summoned finding no. I think I was going to cast haste so I can't be concentrating on animals. Okay so so should i. Did I do that. You go for the more other things this thing has to shoot. It's is at besides US better. Yeah Sam can I in combat right now. Can I do all three. Yeah absolutely okay. All right guys. Let's see what happens Hm three giant go all right all right giant. We WanNA hurt. Come on on math though I could ride that and an hour will honestly still one of the better ones no mouse. That's I feel pretty good about all that. Yeah those I feel will help us very much and you can talk to them right. You have speak with animals. Well I can like they. They do what I want up today. Oh Okay I didn't know that was built into it I believe so Africa. These are like magically summoned creatures. So there it's it's not just like a normal like you pull an out and it's like GonNa fly off and do its own thing like it will follow your directions. You have to give direction still yes. Sure but it was just Alvez's be like a dumb item like once again. I've a very don't I have to do the hustle. Ten minutes to tell these animals what to correct correct but we have missed that we do like watching you do it well. I'm sure it'll come up again. I I do have an idea though it. Tell me if I'm insane after I say this not before but we have that dust of sharpening right l.. Yeah should we attach hatch to the OWL and have it dive bomb the I because it's not a magical creature you made. It won't be summoned by the negative fielder. I don't believe so but but that we none of us have to throw it in his close. We'd have the owl fly down interrupted his eyeball which is like I could also do it with blind date hot which hand I'm just saying which could be if he uses his eyeball to take away magic? It could just drop. Oh good point right right right right. So right it's it's not magical it could sloppiness eyeball right. Yeah I'm useless. Useless just really evil. But that's okay. Excuse me I think I said what I said. We were flying lush. What that's right like a pet fly sort of the the creatures from the bag of tricks are technically magical like they're not magical creatures? They still behave like a beast would given that they have a limited lifespan. They disappear at the next dawn they would still be affected by anti magic. Okay so uh-huh than I am in Saint. That's crazy though it's a good idea but hey you're thinking outside the box for once. Well I mean technically all all of our thoughts are outside the box right now because there is a large box on the look was it wasn't even just like John Moron. Whatever we get to whenever? We're ready to go. I couldn't haste you wash you. Can Haste me. Yeah I can hate anyone really but I think you might might be the best candidate. It's it's not what you think. It is not propositioning you. He's actually saying he's going to magically enhance you fast. I'm sorry what would I have thought. Hey sting was a quickie of some sort. A -sation context quickey Kathy. Everyone knows the haste is is shorthand for hot paste. We have it's when you glue blue on your lover but when you didn't I yeah hot glue. That's a visual right there. What we try to talk to him? We're not GONNA talk to the bad guy I don't know maybe he's Nice. You just saw him outside. Did you think he was nice out there. No I'm just I duNNo. Everyone's different performing background. Maybe he just needs the right woman. Oh Man I've never known beholden to no one knows where holders to do anything at this point. Some could be right if you WANNA walk in there by yourself and try to charm the crap out of this guy all by all means his semi rules question sup just in terms of like how surprise works and stuff. Okay if I- dimension door in there like right next to him or under him or whatever can I hit him with a sunburst before he has time to react or is it will it then. NBA Initiative Border If you can do that than it it might work. That wouldn't wouldn't necessarily require initiative before you can and do anything you could feasibly attempt to dimension door into the room and and cast a spell on him you guys still. We'll have yet to look into the room. Maybe should oh code do clairvoyance is there. Were Keyhole is there a keyhole. Yeah no the the doors taking a moment to sort of look at the doors set a double doors. They're identical to the ones you pass through on on the way in But there are no door handles. It's just a flat door surface Lindsey clairvoyance risk because they create this like magic or for what she would be looking so he was able to locate that. Yeah I'd rather have save a spell slut anyway so so do we know. Is that thing that we know of holders. They can see magic as well as just canceling it out. I believe we rolled in that twenty. The last time we thought it'd be holders rollet again to remember. I don't know about it either yours. Oh Oh what do I know about they. They I do not have like a true site ability so far as you're aware it would just be a matter of if it happens to be looking in that direction than it would disappear as quickly as it appeared Okay but the center that clairvoyance creates is invisible Welsh we well. I think it's better time than never never I mean unless we WANNA do reconnaissance. It's time to kick the doors down and let's take him on. Yeah let's just do it. We probably shouldn't be sending in a big stupid group. Would you rather other US get into line. I say we walk in. There are sexiest cells and just just turns to you and goes no no words right. Okay Sorry Tau we put Bal. Dr On the giant. Go and send them in first and then he's like the weirdest thing I've ever seen psychological. I know he shouldn't be in a group. We Do Min strike backpost fast and Ben mink coats scattered. He probably doesn't WanNa make a big villain speech. Yeah I mean if if you're if you're a animals they're awash are okay but one of them is okay with me writing it than definitely I will. I will go to the mast if into battle. I'm fine with that. Are they. Third Okay with me right into my room. I wrote the massive loss time. They're cool with it. Ah I'm fine with it. They're fine with it. We we share. We share this. We share feelings. The fly is mount. Also also you would be able to ride the way you did not say it was giant a good minutes just zooming around doing a backup to a little bit that we saw something fly in the mouth of the cave. Os did you come with the Griffin's Evans I did yeah came on on the Griffin. Are they still around. No no no took off employment. uh-huh wanted to say hello for one but I think we really useful in this fight now. They're like they're just doing me a favor. You deserve it. You saved one of them that make sense okay just like whatever instant before we kick the doors on casting haste on a lush. What does hey stew? Oh right so it's going to double your speed give you plus job. Oh my holy Shit. Yeah it's really good. It's double the jumping Speed plus to armor class. And you'll get like basically an extra action every turn that you can do like an attack or a move or a couple of specific cevik things. Oh and you have advantage on. Dexterity Saves Dang Okay so you're at every turn you have an extra action that you can use to either attack dash. Disengage hide or using object. Now the one drawback to this if if this is too much of a bummer. So you know you can tell me and I won't do it on you but when the spell ends you you lose your next turn. Basically there's like a feedback effect but it sounds committed unless my concentration is broken. I had a question because I think I'm okay with that. Can I cast a restaurant less restoration or restoration to get that exhaustion. Point off of her. I mean you can but she's GonNa lose turn regarding okay. So we've got has been hated. Yardstick is writing the goat. Yes what is everyone else doing. I'm getting ready to sunburst. I'm yelling K.. Yardstick is meeting shield Kassian. His reading the Sunburst I. I'm sorry okay. Misery I Am Holding my rod high. I want to yell ramming speed as in through the door. Who's WHO's opening the door and who's going to be where I could open it with H.? Hand I'm bum rushing straight for him. Okay I'm sure I'm doing a charge. See you want to hear like charging like five like into the door through. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa let somebody opened the door. I'm GONNA the charge right through the door opens and when the room okay. Can I ride that. Fly Us if you want to. I take out the city of mill totem totem. And then I say I looked in the eyes maybe I throw it up in. The air doesn't extend my shoes. And as you say see that the fly in a puff of of magical smoke just becomes this gigantic force fly big enough to ride ride and it. It just sort of looks around giving it like look. Hey Buddy and it even has a saddle on its back convenience Cappon Kassian drapes over a piece of cloth. Ron was finest clothes just to make it as mount. Just put a bag over its at. Is this twilight Bundy. The most I was thinking about that. call it. Yes yes twilights find. Good okay cool. TV so you so to mounted weapons are drawn. Everyone is ready. Your FA- Kassian are ready to burst through the door. As soon as it is opened who is opening the door. I'll I'll try to open it with hot. which hand okay so hot which hands comes into being wearing this this this really cool ring that's got like four rubies on it and like a straight line across it? It's got a hinge so it bends with the finger it's pretty sweet and hot which head goes up and it pushes the door open and we can reveal the map lifts straight up and then over the ailing. The man holy monkeys dropping on the ground cover for me Goes can straighten out in a second but with the door open. You can now see the library proper and you understand why it gets the honorific grant. It is immense comments right through the door you'll be emerging amidst rows upon rows of ten foot tall bookshelves all neatly lined up and absolutely packed with books. Tomes homes grim wars and scrolls. This is vast and thirty feet. Overhead is yet another floor ring around the whole building with even more. It is very clean and very orderly but the wood and stone of the walls and floors looks somewhat odd and not in a way that age could be the culprit there. There is a slight organic color and texture to them similar to the Queen's hype from aliens but not at all encompassing. It's not enough to make it difficult to walk or navigate but it is enough to give it an eerie other worldly feeling to any that move about within it and at the center of this floor on they raised platform floats that which will rise to ruin the deep wrath. Himself elders old looking at us his back is currently to you. Here are the the animals around the white fluffy cat and his doctor claw from its engine next on show to the cow is the goat. Because I don't have a goat. The pixie is the OWL because I don't have an apple and the adorable little dog is the massive. This dog is really cute dog ever. It's blue while the massive has really cute. Yeah of course. They're all cute to name them. I don't you worry about that but I believe names I just didn't know sorry So you've you've you've pushed the door open and your fake. You are charging into the room. Kassian you are flying into the room. Yeah you're accu- might WANNA the hang back because this is given damage regardless if you're in the radio would I've noticed that rushing in or just going straight in I mean it's up to you. He said he was going to cast sunburst. And you're aware of what it does not hold back. Hold back the radius then. I'll just like yeah. I'm in a ziplock liquid out to the point where Kevin is in the sixty foot radius. Where who who? WHO WHO? WHO's Kvarner and elders own environments the beholder from from critical and I just had a total total brain for another game? That you're not telling us about how you playing with the critical critical to tell you how high up in the air do you want to be because believe it. The radius is what sixty feet Yeah I guess I'll try to be about level with elders will okay. Even if he's not directly facing me the light will fill the radius right so he'll still have to make the save her blindness. Yes I mean there is a mirror. He's going to get out of the Mirror anyways. So so yes so the minute that I'm within the radius of him in away from the crew on fire suburbs before this happens as well I think I know we have talked back and forth about. Is everyone okay with the fact that we tied the dust of sharpening onto the owl totally. Yeah and so it's GonNa just okay. Yeah that's where we us. I have told the OWL that its goal is to get the bag of dust into elder. SONAE awesome is central. I right Yes yes Kassian. What is the save for for sunburst is a constitution? Save and my safety see it's so. DC Sixteen Constitution Saves Pretty High DC ild of opens the door with hot which hand Kassian on the horse fly flies in And then Ilda of just close the door as quickly as possible so the Kassian cast sunburst without it affecting any of you Let's move the Howell back and get everybody out of the room. Kassian raises tier and let's forth a burst of radiant sunlight and son child Kassian asking go ahead full damage. Obviously on a failed save and half damage on a on a safe right. Yes go enroll damage full damage him or you just throw the whole thing. You're just rolled damage so full damage is forty one. Okay wow you rush into the room and you cast sunburst I that that huge. Just a sixty foot sphere all the way around you. A sixty foot radius sphere. I should say all the way around you and then that light subsides sides and you can see elder zone turn to face you and at the moment the door the flashes ended the flash just ended. I'm the chargers have time to do that yet. So elders old faces you and the fly disappears and turns back into entire under thankfully you were right on top of one of the bookcases. So you don't like fall the very far nice try and now we need to roll initiative boy to done done done. Oh Oh God oh no oh no. Oh No what I rolled. I think I'm going. Wait for my mini ice. I'm going back to my big dice. Well I got five so I have a four with my not one twenty. I got a ten sorry quick question so I just noticed. Today that I have something called Farrell instinct that I got at a level level seven and it does advantage on initiative yet. So that's just correct you okay higher number great. I already did that but I just wanted to. Make sure there wasn't some like You know circumstance that is made that true so it's just always initiative always advantage manage. Okay current still just attend. You're always attend to call so Kassian you are up first you you are alone in this room elder zone he is giving you the hairy eyeball right now basically is a hairy eyeball you see Harry. Okay what kind of like full-on sweater hair or is it kind of like Apache I would say like it doesn't look like he's wearing a sweater when he's not wearing a sweater but if you were to shoot a can of silly string at him like it wouldn't touch his skin interesting. That's how I measure hair by the way string standard. Coal looks looks very uncomfortable with that as I'm also curious how if it wouldn't touch his skin how it doesn't look like he's wearing a sweater ladder because it's like very wispy. The light passes through it. I don't have time to ponder lustrous head taking action. How Far Away issue from the SAM You are currently five ten fifteen twenty twenty five. I WANNA say probably like forty fifty feet. Turn okay. I'm going to you try and jump down and roll to take cover behind one of the bookcases. Okay I'm off to the right of where I am now. Hopefully just rule rolling addicts. Sorry dropped you. I'm trying to knock. Oh seven okay so fifteen fifteen. Okay so yeah you you jumped down very easily and sort sort of like. Put your back up against one of the book shelves so you're no longer in direct line of sites this is very important. What section in the library I understand but what section of the library? You're the library. He's Teen Paranormal Romance. And you never know where he could be. Maybe there's something here I can use. Yeah I'm a little unclear on how this I think is going to affect my ability to cast spells. I'm assuming so you so you still riding the high of that natural twenty nature check. You did to know things about beholder mechanically what you know about. It is that his anti magic cone is not always active he he decides to activate it essentially at the beginning of his turn. So as of right now what you know is that since he just I looked at you in the fly disappeared. It is currently active. If you were to cast a spell while he is looking at you the spell will fizzle out. You'll still lose spell slot plot but it won't actually connect with him so he either needs to be looking away or you need to do a physical attack in this moment. Okay but he. I'm out of his line of sight right now right okay. I wanted to mention door to a behind a stack of books so still behind cover on the other side of okay here rush. Yeah so you say knock knock and cast dimension door can you hear me casio and you appear on the other side of him still behind a stack of books but well out of his line of sight sweet okay. That's my term. Oh well well I'm GONNA swap my sword for Aero So next up is elders old. Oh no elder zone. Twenty Ah decks is higher than Ireland's let's not any role the twenty but he has a. He has eight decks bonus so elders old mm-hmm exclaims to the room. Just just to anyone who is in there listening and says you finally made is your and then he begins to rise into the air told you we should unfit there on. The roof would be closer to the roof. It's fun and he is currently looking around trying to find find where where his hairstyle attacker has gone but he doesn't move. He's he staying in the column that he's in. He just raises uses up about forty feasting on the x axis. Not the other way around. Why you're staying on the Y axis the x axis? Yeah now next up is alien so alien. You're at the back of the hallway. I'm going to open the door so you come through you. Open the door. You've probably only got another. They're like five feet of movement. I would say that I'm GonNa go buy something cool and I shall cast a new spell do ooh. A little ditty called flaming spe- sphere flaming sphere which is a second level spell? Basically basically I I got this because I can use it as about as act and I can't use it as a cast metal at a five foot diameter sphere. Fire appears in an unoccupied states. That my choice with enraged lasts duration of the spell any creature that end determine within five feet of his fear must make an extra savings through the creature takes to expire. Dave failed save or how much damage on a successful so I can but I can move the sphere off as long as you keep. I can keep slacking with the magic sphere just as a bonus action on my turn. Her I can move it up to thirty feet Action Okay Cool so very excited about this He's definitely going to just like remove it as soon as he looks at it. But you can't buber. Yeah that's what I'm saying I'M GONNA I'm GONNA cast it and to move it towards him but also binds something. How does how does feel about having a flaming sphere in a library? Understand your enemy potential. It doesn't ignite on attended light. It ignites shed so okay. Well there's there's ten feet in between all the stacks. Yeah so it's not gonNA act so as long as a win. Is Super careful in her life. So yeah it's GonNa be a little bit towards him hopefully within thirty feet of him. 'CAUSE IF I can't get it together well can I like So how far away can it be when you summon it. It can be within range when I summit which which for me is thirty sixty feet. Yeah so you could get it up to him. Yeah if it's within sixty feet okay. So let's do that. I I summit amend Ram it into him obviously. He wasn't looking at not through his line of Vietnam. Of course and yeah so he has to make a saving throw against the sears damage. What's the safe doesn't say description but I'm assuming indexed Probably yeah the other thing is He does not make his save so as to six fire damage. A total of eight points of fire damage and the sphere stops moving but I wanted to put it. Yeah well which which way sleep in facing directly away from me right I know he is facing perpendicular? This way okay. So so I wanted fear to ram and the but that's where it is. What was the magic word for flaming sphere by the way? Oh off orb. Okay Zohrab so you summon this this magic flaming sphere and you move it up artfully right behind him and you just poke him in touch with it and he gets he. It gets a little little fire but next up is oh lage remember. You are hastily so you have double movement. Yes is an an extra but also the boots of jumping the ring of ring of jumping. It's okay it's an easy mistake to make so our hope is that the owl is going to throw throw the dust in his eye right. That is the hope. Yes okay so and he is not facing the doorway now not currently. I don't I don't know like like a lot about als. Would it be feasible for the OWL too. Like fly up out of his line of sight and somehow like still throw bag into his I. It's possible it'll take a little time to do that. I don't know what the owls move. Speed is move speed is sixty feet sixty feet so it's only going to be able to move sort of so far Aria probably wouldn't be able to complete it this turn. Okay maybe get it in. Like hiding in one of the stacks like close to him and then second floor. Yeah that's how that sounds good. Yeah it'll go part of the way there and Kinda like try to stay hidden. I'm pointing at my screen as if you guys pointing. But just like one of those will wears his I facing so maybe like more behind him. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's good. That's good and your fake. You are on the giant goat correct correct. So I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say we treat your fiqh and the giant goat as thick and they'll move on his traff. Yeah what's the move in St for the drank. Oh by the way forty feet thank you go. And he's got like a a charge thing where he does extra damage so. Let me know if you need that information and also just just all his stuff and so then I. How Far Away am I from elders zone So you're sixty five feet away a on the x axis and you are sixty feet away on the y axis okay. Then I'm going to run like straight underneath him. So you're you're gonNA run straight underneath and like get up onto the underwear. He is. Yeah I feel Super Mario move coming. Now that I've run this far can is still Jump yes this is your basic movement speed. Now that your haste did yeah my my my bead with haste is eighty feet sick Then yeah you definitely can okay or Tari. I'd be ignored me. I was just asking if you're a raging and that's why it's forty feet and that's why they speed is forty I get. I got ten added to my speed with the mink cool. I didn't really think that's yeah. No that's that's the part that is part of her totems thing but speaking of I am going to raise And I'm just just GONNA jump straight up and like try to can I. How how how high off the ground as he He is currently from from where you are. He is Twenty feet up so I so I can jump straight up ahead of yes okay. I'M GONNA jump straight up and hit him with misery or attempt to go ahead and roll the attack. Okay Oh okay Guten cheech. That is a twenty one that hits from okay so six plus five is eleven. Plus four is fifteen fifteen await plus three so Eighteen multi attack. At this point. She does get an extra since you are hosted. I will give you the extra attack even though you're jumping a hey so I'm just going to jump and do the same thing again You don't have to jump again. This is still in the air. Oh I'm just in the air and I'm hitting twice. Yeah you're moving that family. This is on the way down. So go ahead and roll another attack straight up. Kirby be Super Smash Bros Rosen. Yeah yeah so that is eighteen eighteen just hits. Oh I was so scared okay Oh Dang it okay. That is ca-car Seventeen Nice. That's a lot of damage for one time. Okay and you you did with them and since you were using misery you take a quarter of that thirty five damage so you take We'll round it and say you eight points of narcotic damage looking at the end of that so you jump up in the air and you just swipe swipe back and forth with your blade just cutting him right right on basically just you cut his taint. Let's call it like it is hold attain I would have thought that would be one advantage of just being a giant headphones. vises that you don't have to happen. Always have never colleagues everyone's tainted everyone's talking and in that moment one of he's going to use one of his legendary actions and one of his. Hi stocks sort of peers over his body and underneath to wear that that definitely happens regardless and he is going going to fire a slowing ray at us so I need you to make dexterity saving John Advantage on that. Thank thank you Kassian. Welcome Oh come on net twenty succeed in avoiding disarray as it fires down and you land back underneath him Taking no no damage or dealing with with no further issues And ill dove. You are up search just to be clear. The extra action from haste was her hitting him a second time. No no no sorry you do still have another action. So you've you've used your movement you use one action which was which was your your attack. You've used your bonus action but you do still get another action from haste. You might. Maybe I am going to. I'm just GONNA throw Try to hit him again. Throw a javelin like straight up at him Okay I can do that. Go up the chain and that is what is my javelin is also plus five so that is seventeen that Mrs so you land and as you're landing you take the javelin out of your pack and throw it up but it just goes a little bit wide sort of like passes in between some of his iceboxes. They're moving around and goes in lodges itself in the ceiling. Now ild off your up. Oh Boy Make Him love me. Yeah that's the overarching question. If this entire campaign I me and the rest of us have been playing an adventure game but ill has been playing a dating. Sim The last two love. You shot them in the back with your Rod. This this whole journey is just a dating APP for me. That's yet largely ignored for some people. Okay L. does have a history of killing the people all she tries to love so this could go really well for off into this. New APP called Patron Okay I'm going to move into the room but kind of pull Yeah yeah like a sexy slink over there okay so around the side of that Stack of books right is Way Elders on is still oh facing this way. He's still facing is poking under his team though. So yeah I mean that's a little distracting. You know it is time. But under his when he rises above All be under his day. I said well you know what I'm GonNa do. Trying rain barrel. No Am I gonNA turn Carol. He's going to try to get some tainted love. I'm guess. Can we get the rights to that. saw just the Maryland man. The Faith Hill. I'm going to you know. Just blast him eldrick. Blast him elder splash. Zoom for her await Actually that that is an eleven. Oh No twenty-one sorry twenty one hits it was a major jump that was calcium math right there. What am I really here at? Two Two d ten plus my charisma. modifier yeah because I have agonizing blast. Okay okay so that's eight plus five Thirteen so you rush into the room edge around the side of one of the stacks raise your rod and fire off an agonizing blasted elders old which hits him him in the side Sort of like knocks him. He like Bob's back and forth like a buoy in the water a little bit but doesn't really move from his position and he's going to use another one of his his legendary actions and fire a you. I need you to make a dexterity saving. Throw No oh God That's that's an eight. He he fires a beam at you and it. You're just unable to dodge out of the way I ain't down your entire body and it's got this like Greyish dark hue to uh-huh now and you begin to turn to stone. Oh you are currently restrained and at the end of your next turn. You're going to have a chance to make another saving throw. Can I can use in tropic war though right when I'm attacked so this in tropic ward you know but it's not for this. Yeah okay so he doesn't roll an attack for his. IRA's it's just no save so okay. Sorry so you're currently restraint at the end of your next turn. You have a chance to make the save again okay you can feel like starting starting from your extremities you are turning stone guys. I feel very hard does that. You're you're up Did I see that happened through the door or did I tell her no. You wouldn't have okay then. I am going to charge which do a full out double move so sprint on the goat goats going to sprint eighty feet forward. Yep so you're going to end up Basically where old ashes. Okay I'm I'M GONNA And then I'm going to straight up his taint cast flame strike okay so changes. Thanks really taking a beating the only part of him that isn't covered by weakspot. He's GonNa make a Deck Save K Oles you're also GONNA have to make dexterity saving through If if I plays it straight up above us she is directly below him right. I'm placing. It's forty feet up from him. So ten feet radius of at him and then up. It doesn't just come. All the way down to the ground is a forty foot drop. So are we within forty-three from the ceiling. What what is the range for you to cast spells rancher me to Kansas spell is sixty feet? Yeah you could. You could make that. I wanted to give give them a fire shower around the So what's your DC. DC is fifteen fifteen. He got a six so he has the damage. So this is GonNa GonNa be eight D six damage. Forty forty six fire and forty-six radium unless that means anything to it does not okay so one two three four all right. We must be thirty six and then plus four is forty such forty damage you get. It takes twenty fire and really the key to okay so you rush forward on the goat and ride all the way up onto the dais and then you put your a hand up in from from your mouth you can't flame strike Magic where it is of God. I've done this once. Burn it down. Burn it down and you call down this radiant mixture of fire in holy energy from above which just sort of paints all over the top of elders. He manages to sort of like dive out of the way of many of the streets but even weaving in between they still nick him places but not as stained and I and And he still takes damage from all of that and we are back up to the Actually you know what he's GonNa use another one of his legendary action making burns room now. WHAT'S UP WITH I? I can't really see right now. I can I see her from where I am She is around one of the stacks from you so you saw where she went but you can't see her she's not in life. Sightsee of beam go towards her. Oh yeah you absolutely would have seen that cool and the massive come in the room and office turned somewhere He'll be forgot about the mastiff. Lost what's what's your doggy doing. I forgot about the math to Well I feel like the massive can't really do much while he's in the air so the massive is just Kinda GonNa serve. It's just the like main iztok that stops magic stuff yet. The the big centralized the one that creates the anti magic field the other eye iztok fire the raise. Okay the massive is going to be Kinda just hanging out with me. I guess so. Okay so came with you into the middle of the room. Yes it doesn't have the same movement that you do. Oh that's true so his movement is unless I carried him. No I did do that. A- and then I threw him at elders. I'm loving the the mental image of you leaping up into the air with a dog under no so his movement is forty eight so I guess just whatever forty feet the door well actually if he does a full if he does like a full a dash then he could make it to where you are. Oh okay cool. That's so tour together there. Meanwhile your Fiqh. I need you to make a constitution saving throw and wash. I need you to make the constitution saving. Throw for your goat for my goat. Oh no no not not okay four okay right so Elder zone fires beamed down and your fake your thick door. Vigne constitution is able to stave off the paralysing ray but the goat is frozen in place currently and we'll be able to make a save at the go. Go Uh but you are. You are still on it but it can't. It is frozen fainting goat fall on particle champions of the Forgotten Realms Khotan here we go K. or C O o. t. s. e. m. f.. That code again is Casare Cots Demo. It's good until January twenty first. Who knows maybe you'll get a feat now back to the show so we're back up to the top Kassian it is your turn? Okay okay. I'm knocking an Arrow to my bow. Okay and and then like ducking out from behind the bookshelf. Where I'm hiding and where so whereas elders zone relative to me now elders only here you are here okay? So what's the roughly the distance there It's the High Pot news of Forty on the x axis and sixty on the Y. It's definitely with two or three so it's okay so he's okay and he still still roughly facing me. I know he is. He is perpendicular. Always not a so his. I is not on me right news facing that way you are valued ice okay. Then I'm going to actually sleep. CAST blindness are. Oh wait I might not be in range for that okay. Can I the seventy two seventy two feet away okay. Yeah I wasn't gonNA say anything but the High Pot news cycle forty and sixty definitely not one hundred for the magic. The magic Two three five but now okay then I will Actually dropped my bow draw is used tear again and hit him with a Sunbeam. Okay what is the. What's your save again sixteen prostitution so you dry your are you draw obvious here again you you still your bow draw just tear and focus sunbeam upward at elders? All and it's a I. He wrote a seventeen. I don't know how to say other. That's fine he's still. We'll take half damage. So it's not blinded ed which is what I was really open for. Sorry it's so close twenty-seven halved points of damage so to be thirteen. Okay so he takes half damage from that and he is going to use one of his legendary actions. How many hill engineer actions this I have? He gets three per round per route yet. Holy Crap And he and I need you to make a dixie saving throw X.. Thirty ready okay. That's one of my partly powers being okay at those he's he's not he's not oh I do get permissions you had okay. Oh my God ten. The ten this greyish dark beam fires out at you and you begin to feel your the hands turned to stone so you are restrained And on the end of your next turn you can attempt to save again okay. Next up is next. Up is Elder Zone Elders old given where most of the damage has come from is going to look straight down which blinks the goat and the massive out of existence. It's damage it. Also does haste on you Olajwon And it removes aid. Means three creatures that were not me out L.. So those three have it but it does deactivate your shields which falls to the plane. I tried to catch it. You can try sure role decks. Uh Street tax twenty plus Three S Catcher Shield. Thought I've kept on America so it's Now just sort of looking down at the two of you. Having turned that off he's GonNa float down to be on level with you. Oh Lash Josh. And he's going to attempt to bite you know sixteen to hit that is my as be that hits okay okay so even with raise interest rates doesn't know So you take ten points of damage as he gets close to you in sinks in those massive teeth right on your arm and next up is with okay so the spirit of the concentration spells e. casting no concentration cells are paying Heston Okasha. Charles I am not casting. No concentration styles I am going to turncoat a concentration Okay I am going to cast nothing much else I can do. I'll do Allah peak account from behind the bookcase cat and and cast scorching ray at elders. All Okay will you raise your way. Threes Yup okay so to cool but just a role for each ray to head. Yes that's right and it's D. U.. You twenty plus tack modifier which is not a school twenty three hits when he hit and yet twenty okay. All three heads could roll so Sixty six total twenty one cool. So that's so you peek out from behind the bookcase and you pupudu out three scorching rays. They all hit him in the side. Remember while he is a hairy ball with this tightness armor there are also embedded in his armor and One of those sets one of the books on fire. It's sort of like burns up and now olaf yard smell like burning hair. You're welcome concert. All Wrong in his book stuck all over him not like all over him but at various places they're like books embedded in his tightness played. I missed that already special. He is not looking at me at all right now right correct cool so I'm just going to go with different bookcase Keith. Evasive maneuvers happen. I'm going to go over to you'll I love I wanNA run. I saw him go towards her. I'm going to run past her two different bookcase. Okay pastor like look on my way you know it'll be like house of doing and then keep going different book you know what I mean Yeah you can kind of do that so did you can't get around that way. That's a wall fine. Okay so you run. Past and UC ilab is slowly turning to stone share. Yeah I do I run good. Were figuring out we share a high five and I realized Oh we don't high five each other that's true and then lastly I will. Oh so here's a question. Is there a way I can bond elders all with the fireball. That's directly above him right now Such that it will not be within five of either over your fair. Olah sure you're coming. That's what I'm yes Yeah absolutely I mean elders himself. It's like a large creature. Takes up a ten foot space so back of him with him on top. Hopefully hopefully is the stocks. Yeah you can bunk stock over. I'll try to bomb. Stock is docs. So Yeah Yeah. Yeah that is a BOOP BOOP boop boop ten Mrs no and that's it hits the sales and then that's two D six and more burning hair nine nice good round now at the end of your turn. Elders owns layer comes into play. But what something else you know about. Behold irs is their innate magic often affects the land around them and given that this library when you walked in it was described to you is looking somewhat like the the alien Queens Hive from the movie aliens It is clearly been affected by his inmates presence. And a guys I just now remember the vector holdings and one of the things that that innate magic allows is to provide some manner of natural literal defenses for the cause of it on the source of it rather so What is going to happen right now? A A fifty foot square area of ground. We're GONNA say right where elders old is so on the dais and around this whole Center Square Senator Square the Secret Square that area the ground becomes slimy like Muck Ooh the area is is now difficult terrain Which means that both your fake and Olah? She'll have half movement in that area. I'm moving ten feet around. And now now it is all ashes turn. It's okay I don't want to go anywhere. You said the giant go and the massive disappeared but the owls still around downed correct. The OWL was not in in range of that. Okay the OWL IS GONNA try to fly over and drop the glass glass in towards his I. It's not a glass. The sharpen in. Yeah I was thinking like glass shards in my head and then I just glass the sharpen the sharp sharp stuff Al's challenging him to the the shark stuff is my favorite new kids on the block. Song sharps go. How I go ahead and roll a this'll be a ranged attack so with the owl stats? Rolla twenty an added. It's Dick Sturdy. Okay that's one of the only things it doesn't have a negative modifier on but it got an at one. Oh aw no the OWL flies up. It's going right nauseous space understood. And where's the lies and grasping grasping the glove in. Its talents sort of reaches down with its beak to try to open it till like poor the dust but it only succeeds in getting it all over itself in how many hit points have al has One the three points of disappears and the sharpening dust falls straight down so las you also take three points. So unless you take three points of slashing rushing damage but reduced to one because you are raging while all Ashley has one point two surely let herself go in the mountain notification communication everything just gets the worse so that was a rousing. Success is is the is. There are still like sharpening powder in the glove like on the ground now it has been emptied. There's like sharpening powder on you. Okay August. I know I'm just going to try to try to hit him in the eye with Missouri. Okay go enrolling attack. That is A twenty three that hits you can roll your second attack as well. I'm assuming you're GONNA attack okay. Yeah I'm GonNa just go twice for the UH the big eye and that is a twenty five twenty five they both hit okay so the first hit does Twenty two twenty two total just for the first one for the for the first one and nineteen twenty two in nineteen Standing in front of elders on you swing tight twice with misery Just slashing him and you you actually open up a like a gouge couch on his eye. So it's even more bloodshot looking than it was before and what's wrong read. And they're just believe. Yeah what's interesting. Is that that that sort of like Rick cursive effect where you take damage that you deal doesn't seem to happen uh-huh oh anti magic. Yeah wait but does that mean that those hits each do for less damage they did not okay weird and the magic one damage but she. Yeah yeah that's better. It's just it's interesting that it doesn't at the sort X.. Sorry Keyboard Not GonNA question it. You can question estimate or you can think about it. Pretty Great Right Cassius. You get into the details die so you really WanNa Harrison Ford this at the at the Alessia you're you're not gonNA move. I'm assuming you're staying. Put Happy Dove. Yeah you can make another save. Restraints doesn't actually mean she can't act though right. Well not much I can do I. You could cast a spell and stuff like can I so you can attack and take your chances with the save or you can save yourself like a coward. Okay yeah well we all know that if anything it is absolutely a cower. Okay I guess I'm GonNa cast dispel magic on myself self so as you feel your fingers turning to stone you last ditch. Effort cast dispel magic touch. Touch yourself like right right solar plexus and and wipe magical effects from you so it it yet. Yeah Pat your head ob so it removes the Petra. -cation from you would also removes aid law. Those fifteen extra hit points are done Anyway and elder zones GONNA use one of his legendary actions three per round Jesus And you need to make a wisdom saving through wait. Can I use in tropic ward again this is a saving saving on how many is docs. DOC says he has ten twelve fourteen. You get hit by. This blight away wisdom. Yeah sorry. Eighteen eighteen great So this light blue beam sort of fires at you in your head. Did you feel this voice calling to you. Sleep sleeps leave. But you're able to shake it off Taylor Swift's can't put me to sleep. That's also also yes so so he wouldn't have no you you. You are fine. I shake it off vic since they can only move ten feet. I'M GONNA use my ten foot to dive at him underneath to get out of his magic gays and from below in the tank again I'm going inflict wounds at four hundred fourth levels. You don't really have enough. Because it's on a diagonal to like get under him. Okay under his eye as though or now does I. Oh you're not under I'm not under Okay sorry I thought I had enough room it's a constricted space especially with Olaf already being there and being on the diagonal. You can't really get well. I want to be there anyway. Snow within five feet of all wash. Gosh I can disadvantage as which is nice Okay then I am going to take my war hammer and just one headed up and try to shove it into his. That's retina of nineteen on the die plus seven that hits okay so leave it or not. I don't believe it is Twelve points damaged bludgeoning. So you rush over and using using the before the happens. I'm also adding one of radio damage on. Is that a spell. No it's the it says it can do. I have to check where it is. I'll come back to uh-huh okay. So using the momentum of moving forward as much as you can. You're moving through. This slimy muck it's hard. It's like walking peanut butter. You raise raise your war hammer and swing and hit him. He closes his eyes at the last moment. But it's still does damage and it almost seems like he's dazed. He sort of Bob's in the air a little bit. He grimaces that you can see like as as his eyelid opens up again. The central is sort of rolls back into its head ahead and patches of the air around him appear hazy as if they're being intensely heated and then they quickly coil coalesce into these four tiny beholder like creatures. Each is the size of a volleyball and only has four is stocks and then elders As quickly as it happens shakes off his stupor and there are now five eyeballs staring at you all so the reason why I get an extra divine strike I can do it once per turn L. O. it so it's another five radium. Yeah so now. Elder zone is is going to use his last legendary action creating spores and this one we recognize these creatures. They look like tiny holders. Tell if they're putting out anti magic. Are they cute. They are Kinda cute they are Kinda cute You as right now. You can't tell us they're putting out anti magic. They're looking in the same direction. That elders wholeness and there's no compounded effect suffused beholder. They observers no but ill pulled off. He is going to fire another beam at you and I need you to make a dexterity saving throw which you are not thinking not restrained anymore okay decks Fuck Mansfield over map. I'm over over here the front doors of the library. Well I wrote a five sheds is not your bag. It's not. It's not charisma. You guys I should have just come in and try to talk to holy wrap does a lot of it. Okay Bye. Yeah Oh my God. So a beam fires out from one of the Iztok flack as nine rod and it paints you. You're still reeling from overcoming coming this feeling of petrified and the death ray hits you for thirty one points of damage. Oh okay important question. Does that reduce you zero hit points. No okay that is good for you. I couldn't bring rig back so you take thirty one damage as this beam hits you end. 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"Welcome to kids myths and Mysteries. I'm your host can't come today cloaked in secrecy or overshadowed by current events. It would seem the only thing on the news today is our political situation as we approach election for President of the United States. And then of course, we have our economic debacle and fifty four million people who are food insecure not to mention some very serious changes in the weather. These have overshadowed something if you've watched or listened to the news you may have noticed the occasional use of the phrase. We didn't want to panic the American people. The truth is those words usually come out of the mouth of a politician who didn't want to face the backlash of his constituents over a particular decision. He made what if there was something that was real and not a political Ploy or conspiracy theory something that could kill you that have been closed off. Secrecy or overshadowed by today's events and it's only now being acknowledged as a threat still played down though. That's something that's a disease. It's a fungus no less than the common name. The one you hear used in the news is candida. Auris as the time of this podcast it remains drug-resistant. It also remains virtually unknown. It is rarely caught early because it's early symptoms are fever and chills that don't improve after antibiotic treatment think for a moment how many times you've gotten a fever sweat it out. So I mentioned candida. Auris is a fungus yeast is a fungus that lives in the body generally a fungus cannot Thrive or grow in the body's ninety-eight-point-six degree temperature that candida. Auris can or body is a sealed system. Candia artists can live on the skin fairly harmless lie, but if a cut is infected, Did with it or it is introduced into the blood it will be fatal in recorded cases. Those that have been diagnosed with candida. Auris and the blood have died within ninety days of the diagnosis wage in one case. It was determined that the hospital room of the victim of candida. Auris was contaminated with the fungus. It was on the hospital bed rails to Sheetz the doorknobs. It was also determined that standard disinfectants used to clean hospital rooms had no effect on the fungus because it can live on the skin. This means a doctors and nurses have to find a way to eliminate the risk of contaminating patients just like the FBI with its Ten Most Wanted list the CDC has an urgent threat list and candida. Auris is at the top of that list or wage was until the coronavirus surfaced yet. This super fungus is not new in emerged in Venezuela that appeared in Spain india-pakistan then turned up in South Africa job. In the United States has been detected in New York, New Jersey in Illinois. So how many in the United States have been affected one of the problems with researching something that is cloaked in secrecy and overshadowed by the coronavirus is getting accurate figures. I have been given a number ranging from thirteen cases to over 700,000 truth more than half. The people the contract candy ours died within ninety days. So the death rate is either 6 or 7 or 350,000 researchers say that as the climate in certain areas has increased or changed or heated up candida. Auris has adapted to the point that it can live in the human body. They have found that it is also related to agriculture as more antifungals are applied to plants to keep them from rotting in these plants are consumed and the incident of candida auris infection. Will increase the fungus can be found on meets manure fertilized vegetables. Although there is no cure for an individual that is infected hospitals are adapting a type of robot that uses pulsating violet light that removes microorganisms including candida. Auris for the average American researchers say it is best to consume organic fruits and vegetables. That's avoiding the rampant use of fungicides that contribute to the search in this drug-resistant fungus cloaked in secrecy overshadowed by current events wage was produced here at night owl sound studio and brought to you by the Book Savvy Studio Loft Lodge, press Rogue Valley metaphysical library and Owl Creek Press and writers Retreat. I'm kit Chrome. Thanks for listening.
BTM151: Real Estate Investing In A Crisis (The Coronavirus Episode) with Neal Bawa
"This is the royal aaliyah. And you're listening to the before the man's podcast episode one fitted one. Are you ready to be the master architect of Your Life? Are you ready to design your business and invest in needs that create the lifestyle? You've always dreamt up. Are you ready to learn from entrepreneurs and millionaires? Who have achieved a certain level of success. Hey this is Derek Location Independent Entrepreneur. And you're listening to the before. The millions podcast. Hi I'm Gina Lofton. I am an investor. And you're listening to the before. The millions podcast. Hey there my name is. Heather Haven would marketing coach and global entrepreneur. And you are listening to the before. The millions podcast. Hey this is Marcus crispy host of the seven minute mentor. Podcast global entrepreneur and all round Geek. And you listen to the before. The millions podcast. I am MC lobster the cash Ninja. And you're listening to before the millions. Podcast you're listening to the before the millions podcast a whether you're looking to invest more cash flow or built an online business that allows you to be location independent. You've come to the right place. Mr Hollywood himself presents Before the millions podcast now your host a wooded you be. Tm try welcome to this brand new instalment brand new episode of the before the millions podcasts. And on today's episode I am interviewing a data expert a datum minor a real estate investor. A well sought out speaker. I mean the list goes on this controls two hundred and fifty million dollars in real estate assets but he loves to be thought of as the mad scientist of multifamily. He loves to be thought of as a data analytical expert because that's where he's true passions are in fact he made his name as a technologist and real estate just happened to be the vehicle that he poured his pro season two after selling one of his companies. His name is Mr Neil Owl and we are going to get into all things data mining more specifically. We're going to talk about the economy as a whole again. Guys assist Corona Virus episode the Seal V. I D. Nineteen episode where we're talk about all things corona virus and how it's affecting the real estate market today here in twenty twenty and I guarantee you the insights that Neil has are going to be mind blowing. There weren't to shift their thinking. They're going to be things that you thought weren't possible this year things that you had given up on this year because of how twenty twentieth started. You're going to get those dreams and goals and visions back in alignment. You're going to get back on that horse and you're going to conquer your next or your first real estate deal sooner than you know so stay tuned for jampacked episode if you're wondering where the markets are if you're wondering why stock prices have dropped between forty seventy percent of you're wondering what's going to happen in the real estate terrain for the rest of the year if you're wondering how these bailouts of these large companies and how these cash infusions to the everyday. American individual is going to affect us as real estate investors. This episode is for you if you're wondering about the quarter to jump into the real estate if you're wondering about when to pull the trigger when to start looking at deals one to start making offers on deals if now is the right time if now is not the right time all those questions will be answered on. Today's episode I think it's really important to take a step back and look at this episode with an open mind. Were all our own little respective bubble When we look at the numbers when we look at the facts when we look at the overall picture it gets a little bit clearer and were able to take those next best steps in our business building Germany in our Roseanne. Investing turning there have been so many people have close to the shore dislike to write. What do I do now? That the markets have turned. What do I do now? That homes are no longer moving on the market. Do I continue to look for motivated sellers even my clients? Even my mastermind members. Although recruited ninety five percent investors even the small portion of people that I work with are realtors. The entire real estate agent industry has practically been shut down overnight. There's so many questions that are going to get asked on this episode so we have a little jam-packed one hour episode for you. That's going to get you answers to all your rose head investment questions. So this corona virus episode couldn't be any more time again guys. I just want to stress. You are staying safe doing your best to be healthy to maintain a healthy immune system. You're practicing social distancing. You're doing all of the things that you can't protect yourself your family and individuals that you come in contact with with that being said there's so much opportunity in this market. There's so much opportunity here in twenty twenty and if anybody has led you to believe the alternative that. I'm glad that you're here. I'm glad that you're listening to this episode because we're GonNa be bunk all those myths now if you haven't already been following on the before the man's go ahead and subscribe once you subscribe. You'll be notified of every single podcast episode. That comes on this podcast. This will most likely be one of the most listened to episodes that we've produced so I WANNA make sure that for all of the new listeners. That are listening to my voice very first time. Go ahead and subscribe to this podcast. Let's just even listening to the past two or three episodes and I can almost guarantee you that if you love this one. You'll love all the podcasts that we have in store for you this podcast is all about lifestyle design and helping you ultimately get to your lifestyle design goal through a real estate investing vehicle. It's that simple news. Real Estate Investments. Who's passive income and a real estate business autumn? It for a lot of you. Leave Your W. Two or your corporate day job. That's the mission of this podcast. That's what we help individuals to every single day. That's what I've been able to do in about eighteen months when I started back in two thousand sixteen so I'm glad that you're here. Go ahead and wants to talk to this podcast. If you haven't been following on the before the millions journey so that you can witnessed one hundred and fifty plus million from all over the world tell you their story and how they become a millionaire real estate. And secondly if you haven't been following me personally find me on instagram. My instagram handle this derail. Aaliyah D. A. R. A. Y. O. L. A. L. E. Y. That's my first last name. Go ahead and add me. Send me a quick Kim. Let me let you found me on the before the podcast. Let's chat let's connect and let's grow together post a whole lot about my travels most recently. I've been in Mexico for the past month so I haven't really been on the ground floor when it comes to this whole corona virus but speaking with Neal really put things in perspective and I was blown away in again you will be too so ask me on the grams. Let's get connected and that's an added thought from my value also valued longtime listeners. I want you guys who already connected with me on instagram and social media. I want you guys to send me a quick message. Or if you have my email before the millions that send me a quick message about your thoughts from this episode and any questions that you may have in general I wanNA do a solo. Which again my season listeners know I love doing. Solo episodes. Wanted to a solo episode on answering. You guys have questions as it pretends to real estate as it pretends to your journey as it may even pretend to this particular episode so if you have one question for you have ten questions. Send Me An instagram. Dm Let me know you hurt this episode. And that's why we should not. You're sending me on Instagram D. M. and can be in the form of a text or you could actually send me a voice message and if you send me a voice message. I'll have the ability to play that voice message as a question live on the show. But if you send me a text. I'll go ahead and read that text and make sure I get your question answered. So what questions. You have sent it to me via email semi instagram. Dm Send me a Ping facebook message or however you WanNa get contact with me so I can go ahead and queue up entire QNA episode so again. My instagram handle this. My first and last name Ray allow you so before we get into the show. Let's I get into the tip of the week. You still of the week. Last week had a few conversations with some of my one on one personal coaching clients around the same topic and really just again understanding how to look at roadside over the next twelve months and before neal today's podcast gas was able to bless us with so much knowledge. We still needed to be proactive in making sure that we're looking to invest in the right markets were noticing any market up tick or downturns and we're paying attention to the little things like days on market and the actual inventory month over month. That's available for purchase back in the old days to be able to do something like this required. Either insider information some type of license or access to proprietary software and the works really. I mean the average person cannot really go out and data. Mine the type of things that we'd want to look for in today's market to be able to make educated guesses as far as where to invest in went to invest but that that all has changed over the past few years and that's in part due to some of these tools and aggregate. There's that have come about. In the Real Estate Industry One specifically that I use as a tool called prop stream and you may have heard of fracturing before but may have never really thought about prop stream being one of those analysis wizards that really helps you understand where a market is going to wear. Market has been right. You may know as you may know prop shame as the all in one tool really helps you generate your leads lists which is going to beautiful future option that I use every single day. You may know prop stream for helping you properties right running cops getting mortgage balances taxinfo running title like you can do this with this one toll you may know upstream for calculating. Rehab costs for you. Write your Labor order. Material cost based on the exact city that you live in right because labor and material Across the United States you may know property him as the marketing tool to help you send out postcards help you email marketing to your voice and all these other things but again even though it's all in one tool for all these things now in today's market it's more pertinent than ever to pay attention to the individual neighborhoods the individual markets that we are investing in. And we're just finding those pockets that yield the best returns especially in terms of cash flow so we use property minute again. It's a tool that. With just a few clicks of a button you can have a full-fledged printed out spreadsheet that shows you forecasting of any in every market in the United States. It's simply amazing. And this tool is not only useful for you in your personal knowledge. But also if you're working with and you're using your money to invest in deals and this is a super vital asset that you can use in your arsenal to give to your investors to show them what the market trends are to help them feel more comfortable if need be waived With certain investment or with a certain neighborhood saw again I find in these trying times. Emotions are running high and we're no longer thinking from a rational point of view so I'm able to get out these numbers in these metrics Week over week month over month and you show myself really show my students and my clients and again also investors with real estate market is actually doing then it puts us in a better position to take control and and it puts us in a better space mentally which is always important during times like this. I think the stock market proves it right. I mean we're seeing these forty to seventy percent losses on stocks and bonds. It's it's insane. And the driving force for many of this is fear and uncertainty so we can put a little bit more certainty back in what we're doing in actually backed by the numbers than I believe. That gives us a leg up on the competition. So again I use promising for about ninety percent of the tasks and activities in real estate business. So if you WANNA use props during for free for the next seven days you'll get a seven day free trial all you have to do is head over to before the millions dot com forward slash. Deal again. This is the all in one investor tool that I use to operate about ninety percent of my business Again from generating lead list to betting properties to calculating rehab cost to marketing tools and again market analytics which is something that we need right now right to make sure that we're moving forward and I are resting journey in the most responsible way. We all know what happened to no eight. We all know what happened to nine. We WanNa make sure that we're steering clear away from that but we also want to make sure that we're continuing to invest diligently and efficiently all across the board so again I use property my business to handle most of the tasks. And if you want your seven day free trial to prostrate strength just to check it out just to see if you like it risk free so after day six. If you're like do like totally hate this tool then go ahead and cancel your risk pretrial. And you'll still get that seventh day for free so you have absolutely nothing to lose. You'll get immediate access to go ahead and generate thousands tens of thousands of lead Louis from pre foreclosures vacant to utilities two lanes. And so much more is how sometimes find fixers and flippers to off so wholesale deal too you can find so many different types of and again you pay one monthly price if you do decide to go past a seven-day free trial pay once monthly price. Which is about ninety nine dollars. And you have access to robust tools. That Bro said agents feel like are so coveted yes you have access to analyst level data information yes have access to title information so that you can do your own title. Search is if you actually want it to. It's simply amazing. My ultimate favorite thing about this was that I can pull in filter for any kind of list that I want all across the United States unlimitedly for free which is the exact opposite of a company like the source so again it's simply amazing head over to before the millions dot com forward slash deal d. e. a. l. that's before the millions dot com forward slash deal. Okay now let's get into it and now your feature presentation so I am a recovering technologist and I got into real estate in reverse. Most people get into real estate buying single family rental. In my case my ceo a brilliant man is named Paul After. He asked me to help him build a campus in two thousand three in this business campus for our technology company and so he and I ended up building this beautiful six million dollar campus in two thousand three and two thousand four so I got into real estate reverse right. That's what you're supposed to do after ten years in real estate will that's how I started and and then sort of rolled back to the single family realm where I bought ten single families in California that I still own and then by ten triplex in Chicago and then started buying fourteen units buildings and then sort of grew from there and You know in two thousand thirteen that companies. That Tech Company that I worked for was sold at night. I invested the proceeds of that sale that exit into real estate Started talking with people about some of the data driven things that I was doing. I'm a data scientist. I'm a geek. I love geeking out on numbers and I love telling people about. It's sort of like reading. The tea leads the numbers right. So that you'll you'll hear that message in this podcast over and over again that I loved reading the P. Leaps. I loved seeing where the data's pointing me too and so what I'd started doing. I started publishing this data using a meet up that I started twenty seven and I started you know. I published a course online on Youtube Dot Com in. That course just went nuts. And now there's massive numbers of people that take this data analytics course and it's called location magic how to pick the best cities and neighborhoods in the US and it's a free course. Anybody can go to YouTube dot com Google my name or search for my name. And you'll see this course noticed that it's actually the highest reviewed best review course in the real estate vertical on Youtube. Dot Com you to me has hundreds and hundreds of real estate courses but this is the best review course and I think it's because I resonate with those people that are data driven or want to be more data driven because real estate we just stay a bunch of things and we don't really back it up with numbers or be used numbers actually to push our message as opposed to the truth and so I felt that there was a place or imagine scientist multifamily to come in and start to You know build a niche that was data driven. And that's really what's happened. People being drawn to me I have about three thousand investors that are following what we do at this point of time. We've invested tens of millions of dollars of their money out. Current portfolio is mostly multifamily units and student housing. It's over two hundred and fifty million and before corona virus. We were looking to double that this year now. Of course all bets are off. I have no idea what the growth rate is going to be. And I'm really not worried about it because at this point we have an existential threat. It's a threat to our economy. It's a threat to our way of life and I'm focused on spreading the message of bad using data science and before we do it. Soon Siong. Vip Nineteen you'd mentioned that you're really not worried about it in impart as because of the severity of of chronic virus but also in part because of the way of life the way book your assets no sign up through that you know by for the Good Times you buy at. I want to quickly jump into the metrics look at Dubai because there are a lot of investors score or points on the fence while he makes sense too long or a lot of investments. One is passing eleven years having started. Twenty twenty was the year in bath is the perfect year for anyone sitting on the fence to get started. And we'll talk about why it is the perfect year right so if you've been saying for the last eight years it's getting too expensive in two thousand twelve Anne getting too expensive in thirteen fourteen. Fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty saying. It's too expensive now. You don't have that excuse because you're about to see real estate prices that will be lower and those real estate prices will be lower for one to two quarters so you have a very short window. It's not long so don't sit there. Do not sit on the fence because if you sit on the fence you've already been kicking yourself for sitting on the fence for the last eight years. Well now you you deserve the hardest kick. You've ever given to your backside if you sit on the fence in Q. Three of this year so in my mind. I don't have that excuse this year. You cannot if your numbers driven in investor not a speculator. You cannot have that excuse this year so I I. You know going back to my portfolio. Yes I mean I look at five things you know for the purposes of this show this not focus out. I'll just give them to you. I one population growth Roughly one and a half two percent. Annualized population growth. I warned incoming road are you. Are you looking on? Census Dot Gov. We're looking for the mattress I used. I was Google for population growth. I used citydash data for most of my other metrics US Department of numbers. That's D. E. P. T. of numbers dot com for jobs data right to those are my three sources at Google gives you population data for any any area in the US just type in population space name city. So I want you know what and a half percent. Roughly of you know a population growth in the market. That I'm going to win. And a half percent a year I want to percents or higher income growth. I want two and a half percent or higher home price growth I want the The crime rate to be on CD DASH DATA DOT COM. And you type in the city go to the crime table you go to the last row. I want that number. That's on the far right which newest number the crime number to be below five hundred. So that's that's an easy one and by the way all of these are explained in detail over three hours on that you to me court so once again. I encourage you to either go to YouTube dot com or easier. If you want all of my all of my my data it's multifamily you dot com on the bottom left. Top left is linked called learn. Click Click location magic in all of this stuff in a structured course with excel spreadsheets with powerpoint. Decks is given for free and it's always meant to be free. There's no up sale. Nobody's GonNa say something like Hey. I have this audio book to sell in nothing like that. Here's course take it use it and now you must use it because you're opportunities coming so that's the fourth one is crime. In the fifth one is job data. I want higher than two percent job growth. Now there is no not going to be any part of the country on that on department of numbers. That remarkable have job growth. All of them will be declining. So you've gotta wait for the next two or three months or just look at the data right before in February. There's a there's a website on the Internet called the way back machine and you can run department of Numbers. Dot Com on the way back machine and look at February numbers and use those to make your decisions in June because obviously numbers in March April may are all going to be negative or every city in America. So you shouldn't use those But you can use February numbers and I. I know that those numbers will come back starting June and July and August win win as the economy recovers so so those five metrics and I've provided incredible amount of detail if you go to multifamily you dot com and click on location magic and take that course once again you notice. Nobody pitching anything. Nobody trying to upsell you on anything. It's just information that you can use. It's it's fully package it's ready. You never need anything again. You never need to talk to me about him. Use that information and and execute in two-three when you see lower prices that is my my key. Message SNEAK PEEK. Into what we're GONNA talk about shortly when it comes of a corona virus will stick around for that but ultimately new. I WanNa make sure that Listeners are clear not only on a national level or on a state level are you are you gonNA use these. Metrics may be select where you want to start. Your Business. Aren't even getting a little bit more. Granular down to the neighborhood mobile. I think that there are a few statistics that you mention to you. Know just because at a state level at a city level metrics up out this different neighborhoods that have their own. Metrics have different numbers. And what you look for from neighborhood staff so I look for income levels. I want roughly forty one to seventy one K. income median household income in those neighborhoods and income lower than that will spike. Your delinquency will spike. Your turns will increase your local lake. Local legal costs Once you go about seventy one K. Though your cash flow will drop to a point where investors will not invest with you. So if it's your own money you can go up about seventy one K. median income. If it's you know investor money I suggested you stay at around that seventy-one k. Mark you can go a little bit higher expensive states like California or or or New York you can go up from seventy one to maybe eighty one. But don't don't push it too far because you won't get cash flow So so you know. That's that's a key piece. I want poverty levels in that neighborhood to be under twenty percent. You can get this information on neighborhood. Scout Dot Com neighborhood SCOUT DOT COM And then you want The The ethnic mix right so you can get an ethnic mix from neighborhoods dot com for any neighborhood in the US. You want a mix of ethnicities. You don't want all African Americans. You don't want all white. You don't want all Chinese. Because the up your marketing becomes much more expensive than you want. Multiple ethnicities to like living in this neighborhood. That you're investing in because then you're units just fly off the shelves. 'cause there's a lot of demand right so an ethnic ethnic mix that has been of pizza. That has lots of pizza slices. That's the kind of place you want to invest it right so those are some of the neighborhood. Statistics they are part of the location. Magic course it split into five metrics on the city side and five metrics on the neighborhood side and if you apply all ten of them you might not get ten check boxes. You might get nine checked out. And that's fine. What I my message is dairy. Don't go three thousand miles away to find a city that off ten check boxes you might as well go three hundred miles away to a city. That checks off nine hundred ten. That's the better because then you'll spend more time going there. You look at more. You'll reject more houses right whereas if it's three thousand miles away you're GonNa say oh ten out of ten neubauer says by and you'll just buy some piece of garbage there right. Because every city has crappy properties. You'll you talk about areas right. There's two hostile scenarios that we can go down when it comes to Kobe team. So I wanNA talk about worst case scenario I and with that looks like and then i WanNa talk about the others native that that's a possibility as a nation. Or maybe even as a whole the entire world score those near US so scenario one is the scenario that we don't go into full-scale locked down here in the US. And I and one and so on March eleventh. I published a video that said the United States will be in lockdown within thirty days and then a week later I changed that prediction to say the United States will be locked down within fifteen days of March. Eighteenth right and as as you can see. It's moving in that direction scenario. One says we don't go into a complete lockdown we let this thing just explored in that scenario forty two forty two hundred fifty million Americans get infected between two point four million and eight million Americans die in the next three months. Sounds crazy because we didn't lose that many people in either of the world wars but that is the default scenario believe it or not and a lot of people are saying. This is just the flu. Don't understand this. I mean there are people thirty years old that are hooked up to machines right now in New York thirty year old marathon runners with no history of smoking that cannot read and if they didn't have a ventilator today they would die. This is not the flu. The flu never did that to anybody. The flu killed a small percentage of the people that are infected point one percent. This thing is killing one. One and a half percent in countries where the healthcare system is not overwhelmed. It's killing five. Eight percent in countries like Italy where the healthcare system is overwhelmed. Bottom line though is people have to be on ventilators for weeks for their lungs to recover. Currently New York has approximately three percent of the ventilators that it needs. Which means that we are about to see. And this is by the way at this point and we're recording this on the twenty fourth of March. This is inevitable. We are about to see a catastrophic tragedy takeout take place in the state of New York. Now you say you you know Neil. We're not talking about the US here. We're not talking about the world it's GonNa happen in many places around. The world is already happened in Italy. It's already happened in Spain but neither Italy nor Spain had a problem as bad as the city of New York. Abouts so at this point knowing what I know I can predict that. We are about to see a massive number of casualties in New York. And you might say well. That's going to happen in the future. No you don't understand how this virus works because people can be infected for two weeks without symptoms. Those people that are going to die are already infected we just have encountered them yet so at this point the true count of people in New York that are infected is somewhere over a quarter million. So it's between a quarter million and one million people that are already infected but are not counted yet. They don't have mentally for them. They don't have hospital beds and even if they had beds they don't have people demand those bets so we are going to see a tragedy rollout across New York and it is our job to prevent it from happening in other places to follow the example of California and other states so it on March eleventh. When I recorded that presentation I said the. Us will go into full lockdown. In thirty days people make fun of me right and people talk that for some reason. This was a political statement. They thought that I was a Democrat and I was opposed to you know business and for some reason I didn't like trump. None of that is true. I mean this has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with math. Exponential numbers of the problem dairy the human brain is designed only to understand things like one two three four but the virus thinks in terms of one ten hundred one thousand ten thousand one million ten million on March first. We had seventy five cases in the United States on March first. Today's March twenty fourth. I think we're over. Forty Thousand Cases Seventy Five forty thousand twenty three days. Now you exponentially move that up and two thirds of the country is infected by the end of me. Two-thirds actually by the end of April. So bottom line is we've never faced anything like this we've never faced it in two thousand eight. We haven't faced in two thousand one. We haven't faced during the oil crisis. We haven't even faced this during the world wars. The reason for that is years enemy that can fight and grow its forces in one hundred and ninety three countries act the same time and multiply itself every three days. It doubles its forces. Every third day WANNA check this. Go take a look at any graph that shows that exponential growth and go back and check to see what the count was three days ago. Check Spain Czech. Uk check Germany check check the US every third day bist virus doubled itself which means that it becomes more and more powerful every single day in every single country in the bottom line is. There's one way to fight it. We know it works as the China already tried not now in Italy. We're seeing a very significant decline in cases because of that. So we know it works. And that is if full full-scale lockdown. I'm not even talking about shelter in place. I'm talking about a step beyond that. What India did yesterday this scenario two? We're going to grow. This is scenario to scenario to is US getting out without having hundreds of millions of debts and I have seen starting last Thursday last Thursday right. So we're we're on the twenty fourth so let me look at what Thursday was. Thursday was nineteenth of April five days ago the first state in the US to go into lockdown. Or did they call it? Shelter in place was California in five days. Sixteen of our other states have followed suit so today on the twenty four th seventeen states are in shelter in place or lock down if you want to call it that and then there's a whole bunch of other cities that are in lockdown. Dallas has gone into lockdown so as Nashville Philadelphia and Saint Louis Major cities. Even though their states haven't declared major cities have said enough is enough. We know what happens here? We're seeing the human tragedy happened in real time in New York. We don't want to be in this area to what we have seen already from the places. That lockdown happen Hong Kong China and Italy is that three weeks of lockdowns causes a crest so the first week and a half nothing changes. You're just going nuts and people are like this isn't working. No because the cases you are seeing in the first two weeks are the cases from the previous two weeks before the lockdown. Now you're identifying those cases you're counting those cases it's working but everything has to week lag so today. You cannot tell that California's doing well. You cannot tell that yet because it went into lockdown five days ago on the nineteen but I can tell you five days from today. You will see California's cases. Start the crest. It'LL START TO FOR SLOW. Then it'll start to cross. We'll still get more cases every day but the growth rate is going to slow down today. New York ads fifty percent new cases every day. Right Act fifty percent. They're dead they just don't know it yet. They need to get that down to about five percent and our other places down to five percent. Yes Iran after their three weeks of lockdown is at five percent today so it can be done easily was at ten percent yesterday and they haven't even finish their three weeks of full nationwide lockdown it slows. Its lows in every single case. We haven't seen any any country not slow if it doesn't go into lockdown. The problem is today on the twenty fourth. Only one half of America is in lock down one hundred and forty eight million out of our three hundred twenty. Three million people are in lockdown. The problem is the other half this half can see insane spread. And that's that's part of the problem so we need to continue seeing the strength everyday for the last five days. At least three states have gone into lockdown. And what I want to see is more of the state's going into lockdown because that is face to end so be possible partial meal. I'm a little biased thoughts or sexist. I want a little bit more informed exercise. I told you I've been in Mexico for the past month so I'm just now catching up with things in figuring out where things like if you have any information to give us or to look up words in terms of California New York born into a totally different directions. What is what is Texas fall as one of the Dallas has done well because Dallas is now in shelter in place as a as a metro but Texas is doing really poorly in fact Texas is doing the exact reverse of what they should be doing. Because they're governor has made a public statement yesterday. Saying I am seventy years old. I want to take the hit. Let's open up our economy. I don't think that this person understands what he's doing. I don't think that he is listening to the doctors. I don't think that he understands the exponential function remember. Aren't we're wired to do one? Two three four this wife viruses wired to do one ten hundred one thousand so by the time our mind gets to four. The virus has gotten from one two thousand. You see what I mean. That is the beast that we deal with. That is what we deal with. I mean if this is the earth of vendors this thing is right then killed half of the population of the universe. This thing between its economic damage and it's health damage is capable of killing half the people on the planet other countries are doing the right thing. We are doing the right thing. Only in certain states did you hear. India went into a lockdown not a shelter in place. They allow a three hour window every other day for people to come out of their house and buy groceries three hours every other day. When you're in the street they'll immediately arrest you. Wow bottom line is that is what working who bay. China showed US away through this process and scenario to is that process and I believe we will get there. I believe and for those of you that want to know about this. I created a website called Corona Virus. Real ESTATE DOT COM so easy to figure. Krona VIRUS DOT com. Go in there and watch my video on March eleven and then because you know you're watching that video on my website you can click the youtube link and start reading the remarks and you'll see how many people didn't believe and then a week later when I updated the video there were more people that were believing and they. After tomorrow the twenty fifth grade video that will still be more people so despite the fact that people mistrust what the what the media is saying. I think that there's more people that are beginning to understand the danger that we're in which is why today on the twenty fourth of March I believe scenario is going to happen and scenario to his we. The country goes into lockdown and be for three weeks per car state some states starting later than other states and when we come out of it we've controlled it to the point. We can't kill it. We can control it to the point where we can have an economy again. I have to say Congress has done a really good job as of today. That package is just about ready for signature. I think it'll be signed later today. It gives people four months four months of their salaries. That's April May June and July. Four MONTHS SALARY SO IN MY MIND. Congress has done a wonderful job and that was what was needed because because landlords need to get paid. The good news is yesterday. Fannie and Freddie announced that as long as we don't evicted tenants. We don't have to pay on mortgage. That was a big deal. A lot of people are saying. Why should I get into real estate when my tenants don't pay the answer is as long as you're not paying you're not paying either right so there's a balance here and at some point your tenants will pay keep in mind that not every ten and all of a sudden is going to say? Oh I don't need to pay just because my landlord cannot victim. Many of them will pay because money is coming in from the government right so not only. Are People going to receive three thousand dollar cash checks from the government? They're going to get employment benefits for four months. No one in history has ever done four months of employment benefits for basically one fourth of the country being laid off. This is a big deal and this is a very positive statement as long as we can do the lockdown. We now have the money to do the lockdown. We have the time to do the lockdown. So the only x factor in this solution is US reopening the country too early. We've gotta let every area have at least three weeks of lockdown. If you WANNA learn from the Chinese who province came out of the the province that was affected by initial outbreak. Eighty thousand people. They came out of lockdown. After eight weeks. The Chinese are really good with math. They know what's happening if we don't do three weeks or four weeks all parts of the. Us We won't be able to stop this then be going to scenario one and it's Naria one real estate is worthless. It's liquid it's worthless. I couldn't care less about my properties of that point in time because the human tragedy will be so much greater that money will not matter but in scenario two we. Here's what happens. We slow this thing down. We have our lockdown lockdowns. Pretty much end at the end of April right so that today is the march twenty four so it ends about thirty four thirty six days from now and then one by one St. Start coming out of lockdown after. They've done their three or four weeks. They start coming out of lockdown in the economy starts to Spool up again in. May still huge job losses in me so April job losses job losses June job losses but by July. We should see positive job gains and in August. We should see huge jockey and all of those jobs that were lost coming back because of the fiscal stimulus that beer injecting into the economy but at the same time in August. We should see lots and lots of single families multifamily all kinds of assets that are distressed assets available in the market not at fifty percent or seventy percent off like two thousand eight. This is not it. If you'RE GONNA wait for fifty percents off you're going to be waiting forever but you might see ten twenty and even thirty percent off maybe in some parts of the US certainly in New York you'll see assets at prices that you've never heard of the lowest price of all is going to be New York for short because no other state has the insane problem. That New York has created for itself right by by not taking the lockdown actions until took them a couple of days ago. Shoot a block down a week ago because they realized how bad their problem was. They chose not to lock down their their state. So you'll see a huge number of in Q. Three you'll see interest rates lower than they've ever been. You'll see fiscal stimulus. You'll see the economy recovering. Don't hesitate to act because you kicked yourself for not doing it before in two thousand and eight thousand nine. Make sure that you don't miss out on this time Neil this has been. Craziest isn't so much good information. Listen it's like wow like I'm going away and I want to speak to again. Maybe we'll get into a little bit. More of the of the investors were looking in the future and also the investors invest now cannot to invest here in the next few quarters but I wanNA talk to the current investors who invest multifamily. Amick. I WANNA talk. So what what what what things are looking like today like what? You're looking at the realistic to rein in terms of sales volume in terms of pricey in terms of inventory Sharp declines. Have you seen what things have you seen? Have you seen? Just from constant Nothing's remained constant. I've never seen anything like it at this point of time. Banks are backing away. Banks are requesting twelve months of mortgage impounds. You know so. That's a raising the amount of equity that we're raising banks are pulling back and saying I'm not going to give you a loan pres- much values down And then unlike single family where mortgage rates are going down and multifamily mortgage rates are going up because banks are freaking out. So there's no good news to be had in commercial real estate for the next two or three months. There's good news. This leads to us all making more money. If we stay in the key. Is You have to survive the next five months before next. Four or five months. You have to survive. And you've been given the tools to do that if you have properties apply for mortgage Abatement because they've already allowed you to not pay your mortgage so don't fight it because there's only so much you can tell your tenants at this point of time until those tenants mentally feel better and I assure you the newsroom will get a lot worse especially because of New York before it gets better right. Very few people are going to realize that they're going to listen to the human tragedy over the next thirty days in New York and assumed that all of that is going to happen to the rest of the US. I'm telling you it might happen to a few other places in the US but it's not going to be the same. New York didn't act in time right. Many others have acted in time when trump declared a nationwide Reduction they closed restaurants things like that that helped everyone except for New York. So don't just believe the bad news research the numbers on the commercial real estate side. There's no good news to be had and there will not be good news for another sixty to ninety days where the what is the common pot between a month's amongst potential home sellers potential homebuyers. Are People Buy Right now? Should we as investors be looking to buy water prices telling US so right now? The market is not falling in prices is just falling in volume so single family home You know Sales that that were happening. Some of them have dropped but a lot of it. Just people can't go to open houses so nothing is selling so so buyers are pulling back. They're pulling their properties that were listening. They're pulling them back. So the market in the thing on the family side is not dropping is frozen So when it's frozen the only thing you can say is volume is down. Not prices are down so for the moment. You aren't seeing a lot of price reduction. The single family multifamily is seeing price reductions. Why because people are re trading so everybody was in. Contract is coming back and saying. Hey I haven't given you earnest money. I'M GONNA trade this property. I'm sorry I can't pay the same price because the bank is not willing to accept that price. They are not willing to be alone. They want more money. The value of the property is down so multifamily very quickly. You know you've seen price drops of five percent so far it's it's it's a very small wintertime but we've seen about a five percent drop there and a lot of retraining activity going on but as of the last two or three days multifamily transactions are also freezing because no one can do due. Diligence banks have closed Cd's are closed so transactions have simple league stopped and I don't think that they will start up for the next thirty to forty five days and in thirty to forty five days. We will have good news. Everyone will have good news two kinds of good news number one practically every turn in that lives in every multifamily and America will have received somewhere between two thousand and three thousand. I'm assuming that it's a family of four. Three thousand. It's a family of two thousand is a family of one that one thousand right so they will ever repeat received a helicopter money being thrown from helicopters practically at them and then on top of that they would realize that they don't need to pay they they don't need to work for the next four months. They get paid a salary. Whatever salary they were getting February or March they get that same salary for four months and they get paid to sit at home so they were serving as a restaurant waiter and they were making twelve bucks an hour they still get to make twelve bucks an hour for up to four months. We've never done that across. The board in the United States is the best that I mean the first things. Those tenants are thinking about this. I'm going to get old but after that it's paying my rent. I rent is number two and so that is the good news for us. That's the good news. We're going to hear about in five. Six weeks rent is always number two after food and even though some people many of those tenants realize that they don't have to pay their their rent this month and they can't be evicted. We have lots of messaging. We're going to say we can't issue but we can still report you right so and keep in mind that we're going to queue up for auction and so you don't WanNa get there because whenever we can make you we're Req- immediately at that point in time so we have tools at our disposal and we're gonNA use those tools right and I. I'm not suggesting that we'd be nasty to are actually time to be good. This is the time to be good so my primary strategy is for every single property that I have. I'm going to apply for mortgage right so I'm going to simply stop paying mortgages. I'm GonNa let my banks know who were at. This point are very flexible right. Banks are very inflexible. Right now. If you WANNA buy properties of banks are very flexible right now if you don't WanNa pay your mortgage because they have received instructions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac allow you to not pay mortgages so I'm going to take advantage of that and I'm not gonNA. I'M GONNA try not to stress out my tenants or kill them if they're not if they're if they're paying great. I'll take their money. They're not paying. I'll give them options like do want to defer your payment for one month. I can add your payment to the next month. They don't WanNa do that. I'll say well how about this month. How can you pay me? Why can pay five hundred all your payments thousand? I apply five hundred dollars off your Your your deposit. And they say yes. Great I make lease amendment and I apply five hundred dollars deposit so I do as many things as I can. Write to help my heavens and worst case if they don't pay they took it because I'm not paying my mortgage either. Would you consider a single family? Writers a lot stronger demographic than multifamily apartment renters. Yes I expect to see. A lower level of delinquency in single family but amongst the higher quality of single family rights out so there are places like You know in Memphis you have these forty thousand dollar homes that people are renting for six seven hundred bucks. I don't see them as being any different from apartments right. So there's there's lot memphis is just an example but there's lots of places like that but if you've got a single family rental that was paying you twelve hundred dollars a month for your single family home. I definitely see you'll see lower levels delinquency. Because some of those people were not blue-collar they were white collar white collar people haven't been laid off their companies just sent them home blue collar people that were working for restaurants in airlines and airports. They're all going to get laid off if they haven't already been laid off in the last fifteen days. So it's the blue-collar that are affected so the it's not about single family versus multifamily. It's about did you have a twelve hundred dollar tended or did you have a seven hundred dollar ten right if your apartment complex that a twelve hundred dollar ten they probably get laid off either Aloe great stuff now under one last comparising in reference to us as realistic measures as opposed to those of us who invest in the stock market or just invest in a 401k. On Is taking a hit in the past month that has as one highlight? What's been going on in the stock market over the past nothing to ask and how that differs roast well firstly. If you haven't already figured out that we listed as a better class asset class than stocks mean. This should be obvious to you know. My my apartment complexes are filled with people. My occupants is the same as it was last month but my stock portfolios down forty percent so number one understand that number to know that the government has just released hundreds of billions of dollars if not a trillion dollars to help me help real estate not to help stocks none of those companies that lost seventy percent have received a direct injection of money. Let me ask you this. You know at this point. Is the government going to give hundreds of billions of dollars to Royal Caribbean lines? No the government is giving hundreds of billions of dollars indirectly to the apartment industry because the money that is being thrown at people is really the people that live in apartments. Right if you look at their cutoffs seventy five thousand in income those people that live in apartments and we know that because we are a need-based asset class. A lot of these people will say okay. I just got money from the government. I'M GONNA pay my Rent Right. So bottom line is if you for years have been thinking that stocks are the same as real estate. They're not we are in need based privileged asset class. And if you if if the last thirty days haven't shown you that than nothing ever will you simply do not understand. I love West Virginia so let's even talk to again where we're now drilling down to the relative. People will want to invest in real estate now and they're looking at all these asset classes at the end. They're thinking big wants to protect their downside right. They WanNa make sure that ultimately burger or not buying for the good time survive for the time so now that it's quote unquote a bad time when you look at the different asset classes. What do you see what you see from from? Maybe let's from worst best live. You see us. Asset classes are not performing as well as opposed asset. Classes are performed really well. So what's been decimated? His senior housing any kind of senior housing and skilled nursing is being decimated down forty nine percent on the you know in in terms of commercial real estate rates Why well because of the bad press that Washington nursing home got right so they had eighty infections at a large number of people have died right now because those people are living in such close proximity nobody in America wants their mom or dad to be skilled nursing home? So people are able to withdraw them. They're doing that and this will go away. But I think that the hit that skilled nursing homes and senior housing will take is similar to the hit that the airline industry is taking right. The airline industry in after nine eleven took a hit right. Take a hit but it was a very short hit but here the airline industry is not taking a hit. The airline industry is shut down. Writes a more than ninety percent of international. Flights were cancelled more than eighty percent of domestic flights or cancel. The industry shutdown will the same sort of thing to a lesser extent is happening to senior housing and skilled nursing. Where people are like. I'm just GONNA take my mom out of there even if I have to pay you this month's rent I'm taking my mom because I don't want my mom the hundred other seniors when there's a virus that kills them like it's roaming around your hallways right so that sector is very hard hit and I don't expect it to rebound in Q. Three or Q. Four I think we need time to forget about corona virus before the these senior housing. Sector begins rebound. So I think they're going to be a loss alleviate for this year The the next sector that's hit is at thirty. Six percent down is lodging hotels and once again hotel two hundred hit their decimated most hotels in the US. That are right now. Empty completely empty and I think that even though people will come back to hotels much sooner than they will come back to To skilled nursing facilities and senior housing. There's going to be less paranoia there for sure but I do expect the sector to be hit. I expect there to be great bargains for those of you that want to buy hotels. You're going to see some incredible bargains in Q. Three stay tuned student. Housing has hit once again. Students left right so pretty much all colleges and universities in the. Us are shut down. Those students are now demanding their money back from those housing providers and some of them are being forced to give that money back And so stone. Housing is hit as a sector but again like hotels. It will bounce back quickly. If colleges reopened in August they reopen that sector will bounce back fairly quickly but for the moment student housing his hip super-duper Heart Malts malls are the next sector in real estate. That have been hit. Malls and strip malls are hit very hard That's because they still have tenants but their tenants don't have any customer so they're unlikely to pay them on April first now malls have bigger customers like they have macy's and macy's not gonNA miss their mortgage inland on April first But Strip malls. Have you know the Nail Salon and the dentist that is not going to make their payment on April first so once again I predict that you will see a large number of deals on strip malls in Three as an investor. You might see some astonishing numbers that you could never expect to see. Perhaps fifty sixty percent lower if they're fifty percent lower. I'm telling you buying strip malls because that is an absurd Lee Large Delta right so that makes a lot of sense and then be saw office right so offices are hit but not as much as strip malls not as much a student housing. The reason for that is other than small offices. It's larger companies that are bell capitalized. They've got a lot of cash and they're not gonNA miss that April first mortgage payment individuals have four hundred bucks in the bank. They might miss a rent payment for April but companies that have fifty million dollars in the bank are still going to pay the April random. The mayor end that maybe in Juneau thinking about not paying in the short run. They're not hit as hard. So offices are hit but not as hard as strip malls where where you know a lot of the the Strip mall tenants. The hair salon really doesn't have a million dollars in the bank. And then you know the last circuit or or the least hit segment in terms of real estate. Investment trusts that have been hit in our commercial. Real estate is apartments all owed by life science and Medical Office. That makes perfect sense right. Why would life sciences at medical offices be hit? Imagine what happened? After two thousand and one security the security industry boomed for ten straight years. While I can tell you which industry is gonNA boom for the next ten years. It's healthcare it's healthcare because we are facing an existential crisis when that happens in the whole world fights together you see offshoots of that for the next decade so I think that I even at the at the medical offices reach their down about eighteen percent. I think they're cheap. You should be buying medical office. Real Estate Investment trusts even at eighteen percent discount today because they are really really cheap. They're going to get a huge lift from this. They're GONNA get a massive list and then the best performing asset class through this whole thing so far storage right cellar door flies under the radar. I mean you're you're in an apartment. You just lost your job. You don't go into your bank account and you know a lot of self storage payments. Most of them are basically Ardo deduction from your bank. It's going to take you three to four months. Notice that that sixty or eighty bucks a month is going out and right now. If you're laid off the last thing you want to do is to save eighty bucks to go rent a truck with money. You don't have to go to the self storage and when you take that stuff out where you're going to put it. You might lose your apartment next month or the month after that. The bottom line is self storage. I don't really see there being a negative impact with three or four or five months and by that time we would have sorted through. This people would have become more positive. We'll be like okay. We're fighting this war winning this war and I think people will just let that be so unquestionably self storage is the is the sector that that is benefits. The most. That's what we've seen with self storage reads getting not getting hit much at all. I'm about while this has been a fantastic Saliba listeners. But this one in terms of what you're currently going How you're looking at the markets. What you want to do in the future and what you see the Q. Two to three of twenty twenty twenty or you just holding on to your money Attack when the time is right what are you? What your car out on the mark while I'm buying self storage and and so you know if I can buy more self storage. I WanNa buy that because people are going to realize from this that self storage is an underrated asset class. They've seen other people are seeing what I'm seeing where the the reach shares for sell stories are not getting hammered and they're getting hammered for everything else and so I'm buying storage. I am focused on managing my properties. Right now my job is to manage my properties right now not to be buying stuff. I'm a syndicator and syndicator. Job is not just to buy properties but to manage them and right now. Management is a huge crisis. So I have to be in the middle of that so I'm not buying a lot. I'm despite themselves storage and what I'm doing is I'm messaging my investors to say that when there's blood in the water that's when you have to have you you gotTa have some keeps them powder spare and so. I'm telling my investors the opportunity to buy will come in Q. Three it will be a better opportunity than anybody had in the last five years. Make sure that you're ready. Make sure that at that point. You're not panicked. Don't just believe the bad news. The problem with this this whole pandemic is that today. There's good news you don't know it yet. You're going to know at fifteen days from now. There's this fifteen day lag where you're only going to hear bad news. When in fact the news today the pandemic is declining in the fifth in the states that implemented lockdowns. And did it sooner California. You don't know that yet though. Because you're seeing the cases from fifteen or twenty years ago and those cases are are racking up and making things seem shocking. Oh my God. We have ten thousand cases yesterday in the US and today we're going to have fifteen thousand people are just going nuts over this. No there's there's a lag there's good news it's coming could quickly touch on what the jubilee is. How do we prepare for something like that? There's no preparation for debt. You a debt. Jubilee is a worldwide forgiveness of all that and it is possible that this crisis will trigger the debt jubilee. So if that usually happens I will buy as much real estate as I can. Because Adad jubilee will make hard assets like golden real estate valued much higher so essentially a debt jubilee is a coordinated forgiveness of the world's debt corporate debt municipal debt federal debt sovereign debt. Any kind of debt will all get slashed all at one time. There's a number of people in the background running war games on on a on a debt. You believe you can't do a jet jubilee at a at a local or national level it has to be done at a world level Why do you think why? Why do you think something like this Canon? And maybe we'll happen because because the markets are becoming unstable. I mean the world is adding up trillions and trillions of dollars of brand new. Because of this if he become unstable than the scenario that is work that you know we tried it already in Greece. We basically cut that in Greece and the world. Washington didn't do anything about it so I believe that that is. It's definitely last bitch option. It you know it has. It has severe severe consequences very dangerous consequences and so nobody is looking at it lightly but A debt jubilee. Today's ten times more more likely than it was a month ago. Lifestyle designed acceleration. Where is your favorite before millions? Well that's interesting. I think that my favorite book would be The miracle morning because I find that that book gives you the gift of reading books so to me. It's the greatest book of all over the amazing by Mr Hal. Elrod what is your favorite lifestyle design at. This can be a business APP or tool. That's an interesting one. I think my favorite APP is slack. Slack GETS RID OF EMAIL. Email is horrible email gets lost slack as long as you put it into the right channel. Nothing ever gets lost and people learn very quickly so I'm able to onboard employs. Well so I think slack izzy incredible replacement for email. What you enjoy most about the way. Your lifestyle is currently designed freedom. Not The money and I'd like to say it's the money but I think it's the freedom I'm sitting at home. I'm relaxed. You know my my kids. My wife everyone. Everyone's with me I. I made more money in some years as technologists tonight. Then I'm done in real estate but The sense of freedom that I enjoy is is remarkable beautifully said what were the sacrifices they knew you had to make a for the millions to get to where you are today. A reduction in income. I mean everyone that you know. Ideal can scenario you should just smoothly slide into real estate while slowly reducing your day to day job income and slowly increasing in other real estate side. It doesn't happen that way and it didn't happen that way for me. I think that what you do. Is You cover your basic expenses and then you you take a and if you're listening to this podcast today I can tell you. Twenty twenty is a phenomenal year. To get started it's better than twenty nineteen eighteen. Seventeen sixteen maybe even fifteen fifteen was a great year to It's a great year to get started because there's blood in the water while love who was essential to your growth before the millions. And why my mentors I mean in the end you gotTa have great mentors you know my mom the CEO of my Tech Company. Paul Ascher was a phenomenal mentor. My uncle is a burger king magnet. He has over a hundred Burger kings. And you know. I've learned a lot from him so I think it's it's people in your life that influence you and you've really got to be intentional about understanding that these people have a lot to teach you and learn as much as you can. Wow last night at least why. Don't you think some of us are stuck before the millions even though we have every intention of getting to the millions because we don't love ourselves enough we that we questioned ourselves? Why me why does it need to be me? And the answer is simply that the difference between those who are stuck and those who are not is that the people who are not stuck didn't question themselves as much they are no better than you. They're not smarter. They don't have more money. They're not luckier. None of those things are true. Those are all bullshit stories. You Tell Yourself. The only thing was in question themselves as much as you did. And there you have it ladies and gents Mr Neil bow anew. The leader of the listeners. WanNa learn a little bit more about you. Want to find some information. Learn how they can keep up to date with COPD nineteen. Where do they go so the best place to go to his multifamily you dot com and then click on the current virus impact on Real Estate Webinar? It's a very detailed step by step up in our with hundreds of facts And it's it is a we. Were doing it twice a week as a public service and because of the nature of this emergency we actually do not pay our services in that. Webinars checkout multifamily. You DOT COM Earlier in the podcast. We talked about the location magic course with its ten metrics that is also on multifamily. You DOT COM CLICK ON LEARN. Look on location magic and take that particular course. You need to be ready right. A real opportunity has emerged. And if you don't think this is an opportunity then you'll never get into real estate. I love it I love. You have a chance Mr Neil Neil. 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Nut Tree Island written by Jack Rhysider
"They are you ready to hear a story. Excellent today. Story is from a friend Jack. I enjoyed it so much that I thought you should listen to it too. So here's Jack Hijack Jack. Hello everyone this story is called. Nut Tree Island and it was written in aerated by Chakri sider uh-huh once upon a time there were two squirrels named Jack in June. They were best friends and loved running around all through the forest chasing facing each other and eating nuts in fact they ate so many nuts that one day they ran out of nuts to eat. Jack said Oh no I know we ate all the nuts on the trees. We have no more nuts and I'm starting to get hungry. June said Hey I know a place called Nutri island highland and I've heard that on this island they have loads of nuts. Maybe we should go there. Jack said that's a great idea June. Let's go they're so jack in June left the forest they ran down the road across the farm over the bridge and down to the beach from there they could see nut tree island but it was too far for either of them to swim to. It's too far away. We'll never make it said Jack Doc just in June jumped up and said I have an idea. Why don't we build a raft and float across nut tree island. Jack said that's a great idea. What should we build the raft out of June replied sticks and logs float. Let's go back to the forest and collect as many as we can tie them together other and make a raft from that. Jack agreed and the two squirrels started to go look for sticks and logs but there there were no sticks or logs on the beach where they were so they needed to go back to the forest they ran across the beach and over the bridge through the farm and down down the road back to the forest where there were lots of trees they started collecting as many sticks and logs as could each time that they would find a good branch edge they would run it all the way back to the beach but the two squirrels were so hungry that they just kept working hard collecting sticks dogs for the raft the kept running up and back taking branches to the beach and then going back to the forest for more once when they came back to the forest to find more sticks. They noticed something strange. Hanging from one of the branches on the tree was a shoe just one shoe a bright red shoe you check in. June looked at the shoe hanging from the branch and didn't know what to think of this. They had never seen red shoe before so that was strange but why was is this red shoe hanging from a tree branch way up high the two squirrels left the shoe there and kept collecting sticks and logs and bringing them back to the beach eventually they gathered enough and tied them altogether and made a raft raft is like a boat and it floats on the water and they pushed the boat out into the water jumped on it and they were happy to see their plan was working. They were now on their way to nut tree island Jack in June paddled away over to the island which was very far and it was very hard but they kept paddling and eventually made it when they arrived the nut tree island they jumped off the raft and looked around just as they thought there were nut trees everywhere some trees had walnuts some trees cashews some had peanuts and some had acorns yesterday said the squirrels they were so hungry and they took one look at each other and then ran into their favourite nut tree June went straight to the almond tree and started eating as many almonds as she could jack ran up stasio tree and started chowing down nose then June moved over to another tree started eating acorns from it and soon Jack ran over to an almond tree and started eating almost after a while both squirrels were we're full from eating nuts and ACORNS. Let's gather up some nuts and take them back home with US said June good ideas Jack so the two squirrels started pulling down nuts when the trees and loading them onto their raft but just when they were about to put their first nut on the raft a giant thing swoop down amount over their heads and necks to their boat. Who are you said the voice Jack and June turned around and saw that big owl standing over them the apple said again. Who Are you June said. Oh just came together a few nuts. Take them back home with us. The OWL said no these are not your nuts. They do not belong to you. Shoe offer you squirrels go away. Go go shoo. Shoo squirrels quickly jumped on the raft and pushed back out to the water going back home but as they were paddling away they took one last look back at the Owl Jack Notice something and said look at June that I will has one shoe on June said and it's a Red Shoe Jack said. Do you think that red shoe we found in the forest belongs to our June said I'm sure it is. Let's go get it and bring it back to our. Maybe let us have some nuts if we do so the two squirrels squirrels paddled the raft all the way back home once they arrived to their own beach they had to go find that shoe so the ran across the beach over the bridge down to the farm on the road and back into the forest and near these started looking for where that Schumer is and soon the squirrels found the red shoe hanging from a branch way up High Jack quickly ran up the tree went out on that branch grabbed the shoe and ran back down. I've got it. Let's go said Jack and the two ran back out of the forest. They went down the road through the farm over the bridge and back to the beach where the raft was the jumped on the raft and sail backed and nut tree island when they arrived on nut tree island owl swoop boop down again on them shoe shoe off. Would you go away said the OWL but Jack piped up Mr Otto. We brought you something. Jack gave the OWL. The Red Shoe Powell's is grew very big. He was so surprised to see this by shoe. He said on lost it a few days ago. Were flying around. Thank you so much for bringing back to me. You two are really nice squirrels. You can have as many nuts as you want. Whenever oh you want shouted squirrels and they began loading up as many nuts as their little raft could hold almonds and pistachios walnuts in peanuts and even some acorns once the raft was full? They pushed off and sailed back home. They landed their raft raft on their beach and brought all their nuts home and they sat down in their home a few more nuts. That was a lot of work for one day so now the squirrels world were worn out. They had such a busy day in their bellies are full so they crawled up on the floor pulled a blanket on and fell asleep sweep dreaming about eating more nuts tomorrow. Did you enjoy that story. I hope so it was really fun. 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"The Lost and Lonely Owl" from the Junkyard Tales Collection
"Hello this is David of sparkle stories and welcome into the podcast. We are continuing with our character a week introductions and this week we are focusing on the most host unusual cat of junk yard tales named Ben Thomson now besides being a curious cat and a smart smart cat and a creative cat. Ben is also very good friend and in this week's story we see him. Help a stranger singer feel more welcome in the junk yard. The story is called lost and lonely owl and it is a favorite in sparkle land especially for those of us who sometimes feel a little lost and a little lonely enjoy a lost and lonely owl. This is a story about a cat and the cat's name was Benjamin Thomson an unusual name for a cat but Ben was an unusual pat. This is also a story about a junkyard a most unusual place that was home to a host of unusual animals. Our story begins on a busted old couch near the entrance of the junk yard. Ben Thomson is slept here now that the knights were so warm he enjoyed looking up at the sparkling. Ling Stars and listening to the night time sounds of the junkyard one night however he woke to a curious. CBS and then alarming sound who who who who who who ooh it was an Owl ben was sure of it he immediately hustled under the couch and listened again he heard the same sound but he noticed that it was different than what he was used to in our school sounds and when he had lived in the open world a cat friend of his named Sherman told him all about owls Schuermann had said that they definitely eight cats and that you should never get caught out in the open at night. They had spent a number of nights together looking for food in a dumpster outside a restaurant in town and one night. Sherman pointed out the sound sound. Ben Could still remember crouching underneath the dumpster listening to the deep resonant who who who who but this hooting was different for one thing it was is much softer and higher like a smaller or younger owl was calling. This hooting also didn't sound sound as scary as he had remembered the hooting from under the dumpster. This hooting sound actually sounded scared like it was crying or something. He listened again. Who who who it called. Ben remained under the couch for a while listening to what he thought were certainly worried cries until he decided to find out who was doing the calling and why it sounded so sad and afraid. Hello Ben called. Are you all right. There was a thick silence for a while and then Ben heard him knew. Who are you well Said Ben. I'm hiding at the moment because I think you might be an owl. I know called old the voice just little warn hyme laws. I don't know where my mommy and daddy are. Who who'd who ooh it cried. Ben could hear that the owl was indeed both scared and sad said Ben. I'm a cat and I'm worried that well owls eat cats right. There was another silence and then the voice said I don't know I only eat beat what my mommy and daddy gives me. Do you know where they might be. I want to go home. Who who who who ben felt sorry for the oil he wanted to help. He decided to take a risk. Can you see the couch by the front gate. He called after a moment the owls said Oh you think the long the thing with one puffy part yes that's it fly down to that and well we can talk ben heard the flutter of quiet wings and then the slight thump and then scratching of the owl sitting on one of the couch arms arms ben cautiously slowly crept out from under the couch and looked up. He saw the birds sitting there and then suddenly it twisted. It's little head around looked down at him. Ben was amazed seized by the size of its eyes and he quickly scurried under the couch again. Do you promise not to try to eat me. I I won't he said I don't know how do we do anything I need my mommy and daddy to help me eat then came out again and scurried over to a wooden crate he stood behind it to feel safe and then he looked at the our it was small and roundish in it had the biggest is it looked like it was mostly is it was kind of cute in a way but then was still cautious. Where do you live. I don't know said the owl looking at him with his big sad eyes in a tree with lots of other trees around. This is is the first time out of my nest. I fell out earlier today and I've been looking around for my mommy and daddy ever since I'm very hungry. Ben Thought about this for a moment and thought that the owl might like some mm-hmm Sardines he knew that there was a can of Sardines nearby and one of the storage spots that he and Spiro the skunk had created created to store all the unopened tins of food they had collected together. I can get you some food. Do you like sardines. I don't know what they are. I only eat what my mommy and daddy gives me. I think you might like them. I'll be right back. Don't go interrupted the OWL. I'm scared. Will you stay with me. Ben Felt a little honored. He liked that. The owls wanted to stay in but at the same time he wanted to get some help. He really wasn't sure how to help the owl sure he said Hey. How about you. Come with me. We'll go to the spot where we keep the sardines and you can have some dinner then then remembered that all's sleep during the day the in our awake at night or breakfast or I don't know whatever you call it more. Okay said the little owl but don't go too fast please so they set out then would go a few paces and wait for the little owl to land nearby. I then noticed that the owl wasn't very good at flying and sometimes landed on the ground but he'd fluff up his his wings and try again. They got to the section of the Junkyard Cold Big Tin. We're all the metal things were kept in where the main food storage was hidden. The OWL landed on a metal bucket to watch and Ben said I just have to move this piece of metal that food is underneath then shifted the sheet metal and it clanged louder than he had wanted as he fetched touched the sardines he heard a call from another animal. Bo Soi Aloe who is these who is into they do not issues midnight snack Spiro. It was Roger Rowland the father of the rollins family family of raccoons that visited the junkyard every night to gather things for their collections and to find food roger arrived with a smile and saw Ben then the little owl fluttered his wings in nervousness and this startled Roger Exert leur our own Ben Zaree's an hour. I really protect you. Then Rogers stood up on his hind legs and made himself huge he held out his fuzzy arms and scowled and Ben could tell that he was going going to scream which is what he knew. raccoons did when they were alarmed. Ben Did not want Roger to scream so he jumped in in front of him and called Roger. It's all right. He's just a baby. He's lost and he can't find his way home. Ben Said Roger It is as you who do not understand ours eat cats and raccoons. I must protect more. Ferrelli step aside wannabe no roger I won't this our goal is my guest. The little owl was frightened by all all the hollering any coward on his metal bucket perch. Now I want to go home. I want my mommy. Ooh Ooh this silenced both Ben and Roger and they turned to look at the Owl ben then went over to him. What is your name owl my name his Percy but my mommy and daddy called me monkey because I'm hungry all the time. Can I call you monchy Mir's in years monchy. Let's get you something to eat and then well then I'm not sure Ben then then looked over at Roger who is now back on all fours and looking a little sheepish Ba. He said a tiny baby owl well. I'll call my family together and Dick and meet their first hour. Roger turned around mall for me. I have a surprise as special for you and he headed into the darkness to find them. Ben Meanwhile L. Pried open a tin of Sardines and pushed it toward Munshi. The owls hopped down and tasted the Sardines Mu. Ooh Good. I like Sardines key eight heartily. Ben was impressed that he finished the tin in in no time. What is your name asked Monchy as he finished his meal. Ben Ben Thompson thank you. Ben Thomson said Monte with a warm and glimmer in his eyes then Roger arrived with Rebecca Gotcha and their children Rogier Rosa Roussel renae and Little River Roger introduced them and they all send Hud alot with their wide is are you a real our asked. Reni of course he is rainy said Rebecca. Don't be silly. Ben Saw that Monchy was cowering again and he asked Monchy. Are you okay. They have masks. It's scary. This delighted the Rowling Children. The Our will is afraid of US children. You are being very rude scolded Rebecca. We are sorry petite Camonte. We have never been disclosed to an hour before you must understand that we only know owls as a threaded ours. Brady hers asked Monchy owls eat raccoons to said Ben by don't eat raccoons. Hoon's said Monte and I don't eat cats. I eat sardines. The Rowling children all laughed. Monty is like US said Robert Lee like sardines to and cheese crackers added Grigny. Eh and peanut butter added Rosa and sleeps added roussell to which Rebecca said. Soo- weeds always sweets. Maybe said Monte I could try some cheese crackers and bean at butter and Swedes. The Rowling children all clamoured to their mother. Please please mammal. Can we get food for our new friend. Please friend side. Roger only inza junkyard warden our will be Ericsoon's friend. Madhu ben agreed he had gotten quite used to having a dog is his best friend and a host of mice as his companions none. None of this would have been possible for him in the open world at this point. Ben was getting sleepy but could see that. Monchy monchy was still quite awake. The little owl was enjoying chatting with the rowling children and comparing things that they liked to do and eat it turned out that monchy really did like peanut butter but didn't care for the sweets. He also liked tuna-fishing officiant curiously pickles. Everyone was impressed with how much little monkey could eat finally. Ben decided he he needed a little rest and excused himself to nap on the couch while the others continued to enjoy each other ben slept deeply until he was awakened by Rebecca Rowling who said that it was time for them to return to the Forest Munshi ease its ray trae dear then but we really must find his home and return on him to ease parents ben agreed in headed over to Munshi by the storage spot where he had left them monty had had a bit of a belly ache and was looking at once queasy and tired. He yawned when he saw Ben Hi Ben. I had fun with Rowlings. They're my friends. I like olives is but I don't want any more tonight. I'm really tired. He yawned again. Ben Realized that he needed to find wind Munshi a safe place to sleep for the day and soon monty was already starting to fall asleep. Ben Looked around and saw sergeant the steadfast watchdog and Ben's best friend making his morning rounds. He called out Sergeant St- I over year sergeant spotted him and headed over Good Morning Ben. Did you hear anything curious last night. Yes said Ben smiling him. Then he showed sergeant the half asleep owl nodding off on the metal bucket. WHOA said sergeant seriously that's an owl. That's a little owl. He's just a kid said Ben and he lost. We need to find his home but first we need to find him a place to sleep said sergeant thinking and looking around well. My first thought is the house of chairs. It's dark and ghoul inside. WE JUST HAVE TO ASK MR flinch. Mr Flinch was the old possum who lived in the House of chairs a big open room made of busted wooden chairs ears and dried mud ben agreed. It was a good idea. He turned to Monchy. Hey monchy. This is sergeant. He's he's a friend. We need to find you a place to sleep now. Can you follow us. Can't I just sleep here. He asked closing using his eyes and leaning over hop on my back said Sergeant. I'll carry you just hold on Monchy was too you tired to be nervous about hopping onto a dog's back so he flew to Sergeant's shoulder and held tight sergeant slowly headed forward they made it to the House of chairs and Mr Flynn agreed that his home would be safe in fact. There's a little perch in the coroner that the mice like to use it would be perfect for our little friend then Ben held Munshi go into the House of chairs and snuggle in in moments monty was asleep and Ben Snuck Account. He spoke to Sergeant and Mr Flinch. How can we find his parents. We need to find someone who knows the woods said sergeant who has travelled around the forest all three looked at each other and had this same idea fredland the Moose some time ago. BEN WORKED WITH SPIRO SKUNK TO MAKE A horn they could blow when they needed Fredland or just hoped he could visit Fred. Lind was a favourite in the junkyard. He was nice to all the animals and he was very very strong. He lived by the lake which was a good distance away so he probably knew a lot of the woods. Ben Got Spiro. Oh the skunk to help them. As he was hands down the best hornblower he climbed up on top of the Hay Bales and held onto onto the horn which was made of plastic bottle a rubber tube in an oil funnel. Spiro held the mouthpiece and announced and on for my next number a little too and I like to call where there's Fredland. Oh One Anna to Anna and then he blew into the rubber tube and it bellowed out a deep solid sound ballroom. I'm Ben in Spiro listened as the sound seem to echo into the forest and then they came down and waited they were in the back of the junkyard so the junkyard workers wouldn't see them but Fredland was so big that they had to be careful. That was one of the rules of the junkyard. None of the animals could be seen Fredland however was better than most animals at hiding and he was able to sneak up on both Ben and Spiro Hoai guys he said had happily from the other side of the chain link fence. Ben and Spiro both jumped into the air and then relaxed after seeing it was Fredland redland. Hi Pal said Spiro catching his breath. Thanks for coming Fred. Lind said Ben g anything for you you guys. I heard that Horne came running. Well said Ben. We have a problem. A baby owl came. I'm to the junkyard last night and we need to find its home. We were hoping you might know where an owls nest might be. Whoa oh sure do said Fretlin. There's a family of great horned owls not too far from here. Nice folks well nice to a Moose Bet. The little one came from there in fact. I heard a lot of fuss last night. Probably them looking for their their kid G. They sure will be happy. Oh that's great news said Ben. I'll go get him. Ben was so excited that he ran straight back to the house of chairs. Past Mr Flinch an inside to fetch Munshi Munshi however was is sound asleep and it was very difficult to wake him. We know where your parents are. Munti ben said again. I'm so tired. Can I sleep. Please here said Ben get on my back like you did with sergeant and I'll take you there then shifted so monchy could easily get on and then he immediately wished he hadn't offered because munchies talents hurt. They were very strong. Ben Wondered why Sergeant didn't say anything earlier he winced as he he headed out of the House of chairs and back to Spiro and Fredland every time Munshi shifted one way or the other he dug his talons talons into Ben's back. It hurt but ben was determined to help the owl get home. He was very happy when he finally arrived arrived and Monty was met with not only the bright lights of day but a huge skunk and a tree like Moose. Luckily he was still quite sleepy which made him less worried. Hey aren't you a cutie said Spiro. Oh smiling down at him. Cure Chico Chico speros started making funny faces at the owls trying to make him laugh. MONCHY was too tired. I heard for this Monte. This is Fred Lynn the Moose. He knows where your mommy and daddy live in. He's going to take you home really really asked Monchy squinting in the Sunlight Yup said fredland thick nest in Tall Pine. I think some crows used to live there very little fella. Can you fly over this fence and land on my antlers. I'll give you a fun ride ride home. Monchy now more awake looked at Ben. I'm really going home. He asked yes he s monchy. You're going home. The owl smiled and then looked tenderly to Ben can you you say goodbye to the Rowan's there sure nice and thank you bend for taking care of me. You're you're my friend and I'll always remember you. I'll never eat cats and I'll tell my mommy and daddy they can't either own Orek Hoon's How about skunks. Can we add them to the list asked. Spiro Skunks said Monchy okay I'm ready and then he flew awkwardly up and up and over the fence and then landed with a plop onto Fretlin's head he nestled into his antlers smile down to Ben in Spiro Bye bye. He called Goodbye Monchy. Maybe when you're older you can visit us again. Okay said Monchy as Fred Lind began to lumber away ben and Spiro watched them head off into the forest first and then Spiro looked over to Ben Cana- Sardines. It's on me. Ben Smiled and the two friends headed off to get some breakfast. This has been an original story by sparkle stories of sparkle stories DOT COM copyright copyright. Two thousand twelve all rights reserved. We hope you enjoyed it.
The 4 flying Personalities, Which one are you. Eagle, Parrot, Owl, Dove
"This episode is brought to you by bell clothing and accessories. Did you know that the skin is the largest organ we have? It absorbs the chemicals from the cloves, lotions and Colognes we wear seventy three percent of men are experiencing skin related problems and bell clothing and accessories wants to change that if you wanna get organically made clothes for a woman in your life or you want advice on the right clothes for you contact bell clothing and accessories at www dot bell is you dot com that's B. E. L. L. I S. U. DOTCOM Cor Confidence. Welcome to the core confidence life personal development podcast I am your host Dennis Broadcasting to you right here right where I am in new. York. City. If you want to follow us on social media I, think you should write. You can get to us on facebook core confidence live on twitter, follow us their core confidence live and follow us on Youtube. We've got great. 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Okay we've got a very interesting show for you here on TAP. So for those of you who like the personality tests, the personality profile things. So you know there are things like embiid Ti, many people familiar with that a few episodes ago we had somebody on talk about the disc of personality. Assessment D I S C Then of course, there's the other ones the any Graham. Then of course, the stuff I like a lot astrology numerology. All these things are just tools to get to know yourself better. Sometimes, we need a tool, a device, a mechanism to. Give ourselves the third party view of who we are. So on today's program, we're going to speaking to author and teacher Merrick Rosenberg and he is going to be talking to us about the personality profile he works with and it involves four different animals which animal are you are you a? Are you a dove a you owl. And Eagle are you a parrot? So find out which one of those you are and what does that mean and his something even cooler using this profile system. We'll be talking about with Mr Rosenberg. You can actually predict presidential election outcomes. Now, you can do this strategy as well. One day I'll maybe maybe I'll do a show on that maybe on core confidence TV on you to But right now we're going to turn to a miracle. Rosenberg. Get a big kick out of personality profiles like I do and you want to know what kind of animal you really are and maybe figure out who's going to win the next election. You Might WanNa. Listen and how to meet other animals and how to be compatible in jobs in sex in home life and obviously the. Oval Office. Having specific concrete skills to get a job done is great. Having the soft skills that you can take to any job is even better. And speaking communication is at the top of that list move ahead quickly in your company and become a great entrepreneur just by opening your mouth. Core confidence life wants to help you reach that pinnacle. We are a talent development, promotion and coaching service that will have you speaking confidently with power and persuasion whether it's running a meeting or winning clients. We'll take you from a quiet whisper to a competent communicator. Just contact. US Core Confidence Life Dot Com. That's www dot core confidence life dot com. What's going on there? For Ba Who's going to be a fun day So with what's So we're here talking about your your course and the things that you have constructed when it comes to using personality to better your life and everything, and you've got a personality system that you've constructed I i. Love Personality Stuff I love stuff like you know astrology and numerology in in in any Graham people have heard of that and stuff but you've got your system and it's all about the birds. So does does it have a formal name like this is the blank system is merit system does have an overall name? I district as are taking flight with. It we try to make it fun and simple that people can learn about themselves and learn about the people in their lives and try to make it easy. So the take flight system. Okay. That's cool. So in this personality profile is about four birds here. So just you know. Maybe maybe not so quickly, but moderately what of those four birds and you know what are they are General Personality Walk through it. So first off, we've got the Eagle now eagles are take charge picture that top of the food chain assertive direct confident. They call it like it is. You know at the Eagles thinking because they tell you. It's all about results. And next up we've got the parrot now parrots are fun they're social. Static, they're optimistic for the parrot. It's all good. It just always seems to work out. And for the dubs who are harmonious and caring and compassionate that person in your family who just wants everyone to get along we always have one of those people during the holidays. They're the one who says, let it go don't worry about it. It's the holidays that has been in the family and the owls logical analytical detail oriented. They have a system at a plan that they ask you tons of questions they know what they want they know how they want. That's a great run through. You know what? I spoke about this. You know I thought maybe maybe I'm dovish because I'm a little sensitive or whatever. But then when you described the dumb like, no, that's not me. So. We don't have a little bit of each style, but nearly one or two jar our core self that you could display anybody could disband babe. There's probably one or two of those birds that you display those behaviors a lot. Yeah. Absolutely. We all have everything inside of us just just at different proportions and. And that's how goes. So now when these personality types, you're able to profile people in all areas of life like with these personality types, they have a business It's you can. You can look at somebody's relationships. You can even look at their sex life, their friendships, whatever all these things through the through the take flight system, right? It's the beauty of personality. It plays out in everything we do. Whether it's with your spouse or whether it's in the workplace a, you can see it on TV while Sitcom and you see the characters and you can figure out okay. That one's an eagle that person owl I just play because our personality it's it's a part of who we are. We can look at the world around us through that Lens of personality. Definitely, and we may get into this a little later, but you can even make a presidential election picks using this model. That is true. Very consistent for a long time in presidential elections and people really do vote for personality at the reality is presidential elections are are big personality contests. Oh, absolutely I definitely agree with that and there's all this is also. An astrological pattern to these elections as well but we can get into that a little later So. before we get deeper into the personalities of these four birds, what do you do after someone knows their personality type how do you go about helping them move forward and making their life better It the key is that we have to be careful not to impose our personality on others. So once you have a sense of your style, for example, let's say you have someone who's in Eagle. It's very easy to impose eagle behaviors on the people around us. So picture you're an eagle parent and I I saw this play out in my neighborhood I was watching when my kids were little one of my neighbors very strong eagle and you can tell his son is a dove just soft spoken and they're just playing a pickup game of basketball at a at a set up in the court and and. You know he just you could see the kids face. He's just like I. Just WanNa I just WanNa play my flute I just WanNa hang out with a friend of mine and the Eagle father is like in there by the ball and the problem is the message that that he's sending is who are is not Ok that you need to act like this if you want my love and if you want to. Successful, in life so we do this. Everywhere, we go managers into their people, parents to their kids spouses do to each other the he is understanding your style so that you're not imposing it on the people around you. Definite understanding your style you don't, and that that is true because we all and this doesn't mean that someone in particular as a bad person. But I think that we all do that. We all tried to push our agenda push our ways onto other people even if it's just you know your friend giving you advice or kind of being a little insistent upon where we're always trying to push what we want onto other people and in happen subconsciously because a lot of us do it, and so that's something I've noticed that of humans in general and we don't even realize we're doing it in fact, our intention is very positive I if If. If I'm a parrot which am I am the parrot style. And my wife is the Alal- which is actually kind of interesting parrots Al's do tend to. Attract to each other and so do the eagles and the doves they tend to connect together. And so you know my wife might say is he's asking me for direction somewhere and I just say these you'll see it. No worries at all. It's down the street on the right. You can't miss it and she'll look at me like as an hour like y need details, landmarks distance what am I looking for an and here I'm thinking I'm just Trying to help where she should go but I'm imposing my style and the reverse is true also she's giving me directions summer and she's like you're going to go one point two miles and then you'll see a school shopping center and then about another quarter mile down and I'm just you make a left on main and a paradigm like left on main I don't write them any of the detail, but but we don't even realize it. She's imposing her owl on me and giving me tons of detail with title. I'm imposing my parrot on her by just saying, don't worry about it. It's simple. Our intentions cure and positive, but the outcome. is in great because because we're not satisfying the needs of the people around us. Yeah actually it's very subconscious a Lotta Times positive and you know in now speaking style as well as we speak to people the way that we speak and sometimes maybe they don't understand that those word usages or the our style kind of goes over their heads. Some people are more blunt. Some people prefer to have a lighter touch when they communicate and you know. So it's kind of a you gotta be open minded like to kind of adapt to you know I always say like if You're trying to help me then you gotta speak my language not yours. Exactly at its I in fact, I always say you'd have to be the chameleon. The most successful people are the most adaptable people. Look at Darwin didn't say the smartest survive or the strongest survive. What he said is the most adaptable survive and that's exactly it. If you can speak their language, it's like you're triggering their internal hard wire. If I'm I'm giving feedback as parrot to somebody who's in Al and I walk into their office and I say you were amazing great. Energy Passion enthusiasm love what you did keep up the great work as an owl. They're looking at me like well, what did you like? Can you give me specifics can give me details because I'm not even speaking their language in fact, they would probably say I never even gave them feedback. So you're right on target if you speak the other person's language, they hear you. Absolutely and it's difficult to I mean we're not. We're only born house ourselves I mean it it's built to come outside of ourselves and speak someone else's language. But like like you said, chameleon the ability to adapt others to come out of ourselves to look at how somebody else moves and see if we can get our message across the way, they can hear it That's a skill that needs to be built. But the beauty is it is a skill that can be developed in. Once you shine a light on the four personality styles it's it's the realization of how often you are imposing your style on others. Once you realize that then you can be flexible and adaptable, and that's why I always say. That once you understand these were bird styles you can build stronger relationships because you understand the people around you at a much higher level. Definitely. So of course, you know you know the next question. MR, Merrick right. What's the next question I've got? Usually People WanNa know what their own style is. So I'm GonNa Guess You WanNa know what do I think your style is. Close. Close how do you tell what somebody style is? How does someone know when an eagle when they're a dove when they're damn bowl I don't know how how what you are. How do you know? I'll tell you I talked to styles. I thought these birds to my kids when they were little when they were six years, we could go into a restaurant in the server would take our drink order maybe like, oh, he's a parrot or she is an Al. so let's talk about how do you meet somebody fast and figure out their style. So take take the parrot. First of all parents have Chris Energy they've got a big smile. It's almost like if they were introducing themself to you, they might say something like, Hey, how are you great to meet you Mark Rosenberg welcome and you could feel that parrot energy and charisma just losing Ataman their animated big body. Dial it down to somebody who's more the dove and it's more soft-spoken and they might say, hi, how are you? It's so nice to meet you and just softer. The hand shape isn't the killer death grip on it's it's almost like a genuine I'm so happy to meet you. It's it's very personable very connecting the probably ask questions about you take someone who's the Eagle there's confidence if they were to walk up, shake your hand, it's like, hi, nice to meet you mark Rosenberg because for them, there's an intensity there is a level of assertiveness that you feel. Buki at. Ati liked and take the l very formal almost like a high nights to me. It's a professional very measured is got bill is not big an animated, all of a lot of body motion a it's it's very businesslike and but you can look at it very quickly Once you practice this, you get a sense of the styles very, very fast. Yeah absolutely. So When someone I enters one your programs and Wants to really get down to what animal or pair of animals that are up more prominently. Do you have like a test that people take to you know a figure that out yet people can go online and we have a profile they can take. It's part of our training program and they they can literally with Bertram I you can take it's at a take flight learning dot com is where you can purchase those but it is pretty cool because you can very quickly figure out who are you and it gives you a nice crap and gives you a report and tells you tells you all about yourself. Absolutely not I know we discussed me and it's interesting that the you we all have these four birds inside of us just at different measures So sometimes when you describe things that sounds like me, that sounds like me, I don't know So when you know 'cause I didn't take this test yet. And I asked you who I was and you listening listening to my voice and how I comported myself and able to tell from there. I would guess that just from speaking with you, you're probably a combination of two styles which are that Eagle and parrot style. The Eagle inherit are both big picture. They have a lot more energy they're not bogged down in the details they tend to be charismatic, and they tend to be very inspirational because you've got Parrot. And you also have the results oriented Eagle and someone who motivates you to achieve results is someone who's that inspirational style and and just look at what you do as a career. Right look look at this today it's the. You're you're trying to help people to be better be more confident take charge of their lives and and that's what in Eagle Parrot Combo style will do. That resonate with you. I it does it does I I have a little bit of mind for a detail but the things that you're saying that does You know that that does definitely resonate. So I WANNA get deeper into these different styles just. So if people are listening they can think about different areas of their life and maybe by listening to us go deeper with each bird, they can go. Yeah. That sounds like me sounds more like me the more I hear it. So let's go to the animals. Again, get a little bit more detailed with let's say let's say what the Ergo with the Eagle what what was the eagle like what are they? What are they like in a relationship in the bedroom and the boardroom like what's Eagle like on a daily basis? So I'll give you some examples too. So you can. You can see it in real life picture somebody like an Arnold Schwarzenegger that just assertive confidence or or in sports like Serena Williams or at that tiger woods just they're all about winning. It for them it Steve Jobs I wanNA do something big that nobody has done before. into. So everything about them is winning it's about being in charge it's about being in control. They like to be at the top of the food chain just like that Eagle in the wild. Top of the food chain. They like to charge. They're the kind of person like remember when you were in school like you'd have a group project and there was that one person who always seemed end up being the leader in charge of the project. Whether. They were whether they were the team leader or not. That's your eagle they like to be in control. Mom. Yeah. All right. So how about a little bit more in-depth with the pair? What's the parent like data day in these categories and what's an example of? It picture somebody like picture that Robin Williams or Jimmy Fallon or maybe like Miley Cyrus. Totally, just charismatic and energetic and fun. They are talkative I always joke like when you have a kid and they're just sitting in the backseat in the car on a road trip and you just you just want them to be quiet your quits play the quiet game they will never win the quiet game. For the parrot, they are risk takers, they are daring there. Because they have this optimism of what's the worst thing that can happen so they're willing to take chances and try things and do things that they've never done before. In relationships there you go on vacation with them and they don't really planted out. We just kind of show up we just figure it out on the way they're incredibly spontaneous just living life in the moment picture somebody like that Richard Branson, in the business world is a great example of that. Just you know I love the title of one of his books screw it just do it. Who Else would name a book? That GonNa? Power it says the. Thing to do. Yeah So then we've got the. So. So picture the dove the doves are just very compassionate and caring. If you think about somebody like Gandhi or a Martin Luther King who just as just very he seemed very eagle but a lot of get a lot of That dub style or Mr Rogers is just they care about others they tend not to like the spotlight it in in. So they're always tend to be jobs that are in service of others, and what's interesting about them is is that they don't really like conflict, but they will fight for their family do something to one of their family members in you have crossed a lie that is it they tend to be kind of the behind the scenes person. And as I said, they just want everyone to get along just they don't like conflict. In relationships they may be that that person who is always like. What do you want to do for dinner and the doves like I don't care whatever you want just as long as you're happy. I'm happy and they always are deferring the other people around them. So the people around them get their needs. As it sounded finance. Anyone you guys yet. All right. So how about the OWL? So owls just want things to be done properly I mean go back in history and you get like this. You know Stephen Hawking or or Einstein somebody like Bill Gates is a good example of this. They just they have a system, they have a process. There's a way of doing things I actually I saw this interview with with Bill Gates and. He was just talking about how he likes to do the dishes that there is a proper way to do it and other people just don't do it right I'd rather do it myself. So picture relationships. If you're married to to an OWL, they have a lot of systems. There's the weighed you wash dishes the way you put them into the Dishwasher, the way you fold. The towels and put them in the closet. There's a process they have systems for everything they do, and they really want you to follow their systems and if you don't. Rocks their. World. On hombre. So Now. We spoke about earlier about being able to adapt to other people's language and style if you're trying to help them out. So did you have any any tips to help people to say, let's say I'm an eagle and I'm trying to communicate with dove or up on an owl ton communicate with a parrot how does someone or just in general even if someone doesn't know their animal, how do you adapt to somebody else? Is really need to just reflect back what's happening in that moment. So in other words, I don't necessarily need to figure out would bird you are if we're talking and you're giving me a lot of detail that tells me that you probably want a lot of detail right now. So in other words, I need to look at what you're doing if you're a customer and you are being very direct with me than I should be very direct with you. If you're someone who's upset and your friend you're. Just talking about how upsetting something wasn't how sad you're don't try to fix it don't kick into Eagle, mode and say, all right. Here's what you do this the empathetic and reflected back. So the beauty of this is you don't need to have them take on assessment or profile just book at how they're treating you right now in this moment and treat them the same way because we tend to treat others how we want to be treated. So just reflect back what you're getting right there in the moment. Right there in the moment reflect what you are getting. So instead of doing it, your style reflect what you're receiving from the other person. In this look at what's happening as I said, the most successful people are the most adaptable adapt to what's happening right there. In that moment I mean imagine you're a sales person new you walk into that sales meeting and the person in your parrot but they're asking you detailed questions. You can't just say don't worry. This is the best you've got to provide specific detail answers back. So that's exactly right this reflect back what you're perceiving right there So when people take this, take take up your chorus and they figure out their animal and so forth what what happens after that what where do you take them once they know their personality style and so forth? What happens after that? Well the key is to start practicing people reading I always tell people. Here's here's your homework assignment. I want you to go home I want you to turn on the news and I want or a Sitcom or watch a movie and I want you to start practicing people reading because the more you practice the better you get, and it's amazing. You turn on a TV show how quickly look at someone and say, yeah, that person is the dove or that was such an eagle thing to do and and it's not just a matter of learning you have to apply and the key skill set is first you have to know yourself. Then, you have to be able to read other people then you have to flex. So practice people reading the morning practice a better you get. Practice people reading. Right, so you're in the business of helping people. Use their personalities to make their life even better and better and butter. So when people want people learn how to people read and reflect you know how do you help someone? Elevate themselves based on everything they know about themselves. Well, the key is is how much can you be flexible and adapt? So if you can look at somebody and you can and realize, okay, this person is the dove. then. What you realize is, okay. How do I be be empathetic for that person and and in a sense I always say Look at the behavior that that that study that style embodies if. The. Union to be a dove right now. I almost I tell people I put on the dove hat if you were a dove. What would you do for a also I always say picture somebody who let's say you need to be in the moment save yourself. Okay who do I? Know? That's a dog. And we'll. End. So more that you can embody the traits of the four birds. The more you'll be able to connect with every person in your life not just the people who are like you but everybody. Everybody. Right. So what are some of the chips or methods I know we've been talking about people reading and being able to reflect that back, give us some more tips and methods on how you help people elevate themselves to the next developmental level. So I, what I often do is I happened look at all the different places in which you're interacting with people. So let's just take a very simple place such as email we communicate to people in writing. So let's just take each setting that you live in. If it's in corporate America how do you act in meetings? Had you act as a manager? How do? You communicate had you motivate how do you write an email? So as in Australia just one very simple little world that we live in an ex-. We send a lot of information to people. If I'm talking to an eagle, you can bet that their emails are just like single one liners in the subject line direct into the point. So if that's what they send me. An accident. By, if I'm sending an email to dove. I will bet you when you get emails from dubs, their emails are like, hi, how are you I? Hope everything's going. Well, how's it going and so what I do is when I'm talking to a dove I would start off my email asking them how are you doing hope you had a great weekend. If I'm talking to an OWL, you can bet they're gonNA provide detail to you. So I'm GonNa Right back to them with a ton of information explaining everything with attachments. In bullets. If I'm talking to a parrot, the exclamation point is your friend. They probably use tons of exclamation points. Everything is exciting and when I'm writing to them right with energy enthusiasm and passion. So how do you apply it? Think of each setting something as simple as the world of writing an email and infuse personality into every setting in which you live and interact with others and it allows you to connect with people no matter where you are no matter what you're doing. And you We talked a little bit about I guess me and we spoke about High, profile people like Martin Luther King You referred to that. No they have maybe two animals prominent in their personnel even though we have all four but they have to animals at the forefront and so do you often find that how do you tell someone is a Combo between the two? Most people do have two that are really prominent in their life. And so you'll. You'll see behaviors coming from both places. Let's say you're an eagle owl combination. You're probably somebody who wants it now and I want it right? Doing a need for instant gratification but I haven't need for accuracy. Also A, you're a parrot Anna dove I find those folks like customer service reps in teachers because they want people to be excited and energized engaged but they also want people to get along and be happy. Mom. It's You're going to see. Multiple behaviors from coming from different birds styles you'll. Have to you'll probably see a mix of those two behaviors coming out. And it just tells you look if I am talking to an eagle, I'm going to have to be directed to the point but I have to be prepared and have all my backup data because they're going to ask me a lot of questions. That's good stuff. So what are I, don't know if we even do we what are you? Mice, I'm a parrot with a secondary eagles style so. For me life is good. You know the Parent Eagles style has this thing where they always think I. I can control my destiny and I and I believe that's true. I think that we can create our own reality is that if we believe it, we can achieve it and if we if we work hard with comes from my eagle I, have sense of optimism vision we can create something big So for me now licensed life's meant to be lived in. That I love when I'm traveling around the world and speaking at conferences I spoke at an event in Oregon before before we were trapped at home and. I spoke in an event that morning and I said you know I've got I've got the rest of the data myself. This is to go hiking eight thousand foot mountain by myself what the heck what could what could possibly go wrong and of course, you get to the top and you're. Probably should've told somebody. I was doing this that might have been smart but. The in Eagle Combo we don't really necessarily think ahead. That's why we staff our weakness and we have owls around us to make sure we're staying safe. So someone who now this is a very extensive program here with these four animals and so so what is the formula for that? Hadn't you put all these things together with these animals and their personality traits what how is that process? How'd you put together the personality styles have been around for thousands of years and there's there's what's fascinating about it. There's always four or they come in sets of astrological system you have twelve, but there's war course sets and and you travel around the world whether it's ancient China or the ancient Greek civilization native Americans. Edwards psychologists or therapists there always seems to before and you say, well, how's that possible? How can we keep finding for? Him To be the same four while I was using a system in corporate. America called the Disc Model D, I, S C and. The problem was I just felt like people weren't remembering it back a couple months later and people could remember which one's the D. or the people using colors, which was the red one again, which is, which is the blue and I was like we've got to make this more visual and if I say to somebody. Give me a characteristic of an eagle. You already know it and it's intuitive. So if it's the Burger intuitive today, they'll be intuitive a two years from now you don't have to memorize it and anything that's just intuitive and doesn't need to be memorized. It's accessible right there for your brain to apply. And wants the birds that I was writing a book. by I called taking flight wants the birds I think of as flew into my awareness I stopped using the letters and really built take flight learning a whole business around. Training companies on how to use the birds certifying trainers all over the world, the world to deliver that at training and just sharing the birds so that people can. Build better relationships and happier lives. You know I I, think the visual aspect or applying equality's two particular things and heals people know it better like you know you're saying the Eagle is is in charge and so forth. But to remember that, just remember what an eagle does. You know it's flying high. It's kind of regal or you just just look what Eagle does and you'll get what an eagle is. You know you look at a parrot, it's a bird it repeats after you it's kind of play games with you. You know it's I WANNA cracker Kinda you know Quirky and fun and repeats after you and also look what a parent does. Look what a dove everyone kyw from a dove you know soft and pretty and light, and so just look at what the animals do literally, and then you'll start to get a key on what those personality types alike. There's nothing like walking company say a three, hundred person company and sitting on every desk we have the desktop birds and sitting on every desk. Are there their strongest other their primary style and it's powerful I walk into someone's office and I see an owl who's looking back at me I it's like, okay I know I need to give you a lot of detail. But if I walk into an eagles office I, always say look here's my tip for the Eagle be brief be brilliant begun. Get to the point tell them what they to know and get out of there and I. But it's that visual cue that reminds me who I'm talking to. I walk into the Dubs Office I. Know that I need to check in with them for. If. Power Office for the parrot more excited. You are more excited. They are dial it up have some energy and enthusiasm you make their day. So it's powerful to have that visual reminder is a triggers the application right on the spot in the moment for people to to connect with others. Has So far the more we talk about the parrot, the more I see what you're talking, Abou you'll because sometimes it's hard. You know I pride myself on this personal development stuff, but sometimes it's hard to see yourself when you are yourself. So you're seeing outside of you can be difficult. So you may not know how you're coming across. You may need somebody else to tell you what they see and the more you describe paradigm like 'cause I'm always I think of myself as a hot mess that's my own perception. But when you're describing these traits I'm like, well, yeah, that is me yeah, I do. Owls never use that expression for themselves. They're. Organized Person, who's WHO's got a system and a process that everything has a place and everything in its place. A Al would never say a hot mess. They've got a plan whereas the parents just living life I. I had this funny moment in night by last book, it's called the chameleon life-changing was. When Were on new. figure that would apply to everybody. It's a set of. Fables. Send in the Forest Eagles Parrots dubs als in. Iraq I was writing the book and my wife said to me she's use the Parrot. Way You live your life your so spontaneous just go with the flow I need to bring some of that into my life, and so she looked into goes I decided what I'm GonNa do. I go to make every. Tuesday spontaneity day. Look. You do see the irony in Ryan like okay. Yeah I'M GONNA. Be every Tuesday. So yeah, exactly. Really. And I looked at it. I said, and by the way that may end up being one of the fables in the book and it is actually a fabled called spontaneity day and and it shows how the parrot the will be always trying to bring more spontaneity into their life. But the parrot is actually trying to bring a little more organization into theirs and how neither one is good or bad. I asked if I go on vacation with my wife, we add those spontaneous moments where we just find things never planned, but she also organizes things to make sure we see the big things that I might have missed because I didn't do any research. So we balance each other out, which is really really a beautiful thing. I'm thinking like okay. So how do you attract a particular animal I know maybe this is the same answer as reflect but like I'm thinking, okay. How do you attract an owl or parrot or What should you ex? How do you hire one? How do you attract one like I'm curious about that too even though in. A different. Way. Yeah. It plays out whether it's at work or whether it's in our personal lives and our relationships I saw study recently said, eighty six percent of people are married to their personality. opposite. So Eagles doves tend to get married most often and parrots and owls happened to be married most I didn't say happily married to say happened. But. But they do because it's like. They fill in the missing gaps for us a when I when I got married never forget my wife said to me she said okay. So where's your checkbook? You know we're about to combine our all of our money together and I handed her the checkbook and she said, no, no, no not not the checks you know the the register where were we mark it all down and I looked at tap my head and I was like I. got it. All right. Here into like noted I seriously unlike seriously and now is it al absolutely mortified and she looks at the end she's like you do realize thanks make mistakes write banks do make mistakes look with total seriousness and said look I get it in the course of my life the bank may make some mistakes but you know what they'll make mistakes against me make mistakes for me in the end it'll all even out I, won't have any stress my whole life. So It is true that we do balance each other and so for me if you're aware of of those gaps are in in what you do. You, you are looking for someone it even an interview process. I would be look if I were looking for someone who's in assisted somebody to help me in back me up I want that owl who's going to be structured in detailed in organized I make sure I interviewed for that whereas maybe if my wife was on a team and she's looking for. Somebody. To add a different component or energy, she may be looking for power who thinks out of the box and isn't stuck insists in processes, but it's very creative and free flowing ideas. So the more where you are more, you can staff your weakness and look for skills. You may not natural have own flex and adapt but when work out of our style it's So much easier if hire somebody to be around you that that has the skills that you don't. This is this is so cool because I'm thinking of a couple of owls now that I know and I even though you know I have my have my little details like to pay attention to. Those people I'm thinking of their way more detailed and thorough than I am when it comes to doing a lot of things identity appreciate when they go on their little Digital hunts for all the details and supply me with all the things. I really don't care look myself I really don't care to think about myself and he just ended to me. So yeah isn't that great and the thing is that? Could you do it? To do it, but if you lived in a world of spreadsheets for six hours and calculating data, could you do it sure but by the end you would be. I actually had an owl say to me earlier this year she said to me, and this is such a the sentence unlike other. Any human has ever spoken the sentence she said to me excel spreadsheets are like my meditation. As a part of like what what? For her it's she loves the complexity and solving things and and being able to use data to make data driven decisions. That rate, what is energizing her would be exhausting to me. So why not let her do that because it feeds her as opposed to. ME. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So all right. We talked a lot about this stuff and I this is great stuff and I wanNA know how did you get into this? You know because we always in people who listen a lot get tired of me saying these things but you could have been anything you want to be. You know you could have been a priest you could have been a condom manufacturer. You could have been a Hobo Why did you choose this path to become a coach as speaker someone who dealt with personality types? What is that about? I my very first job. I actually was an intern I went to George Washington? University in D. C. and I I was an intern at one of the big government agencies and I happen to get a job where I was working as a management consultant. Within that within that department and I gotta say every was restructuring workflow reorganizing their systems, which was not me as a parent but but I thought this was interesting is this was pretty cool and then they offered me a full time job and I'm like, wow, this would be great. So I stayed there for a year and and what I noticed, you can change all the systems and processes you want. But these people don't like their manager they've lack trust their environment is toxic they. Don't get along you can change any procedure you WANNA change they're never going to be superstar team and I went back and I got an NBA organizational behavior because it showed me that I really wanted to teach people how to be better leaders I wanted to teach people how to work together more effectively I saw firsthand when I, there were some great teams but they're also were a lot of teams that were very dysfunctional and when I went into those groups, it fed me I. was like I want to help these people and so I started a company called team builders plus is one of my companies now that we one of the team building companies in the entire United States were literally about a half a dozen of them back in Nineteen ninety-one and in ninety four I came across the personality styles and I was like, Oh, I this, and so I taught personality styles for about fifteen years using letters, but it was frustrating because I would see people meet. them six months later and they'd be like which one is this again, which style is that then like you're killing me, I've been an hour three hours with you and you don't remember it, and then once the birds flew into my awareness changed everything. Now go back to people. I haven't seen in three or four years and they're like Oh. Yeah I'm a parrot. Yeah. My Wife's in Al Anon Eagle Yup see every day and so it's been it's been actually a really enjoyable path perhaps. Maybe even more. So even though I live in corporate America I think I hear people all the time who say things like this changed my relationship with my wife or completely changed my relationship with my son and that is really rewarding. It's not just about who we are work. It's who we are and how are back into people in our lives. Mum Okay. So now we talked about all the fun stuff. You know all the things that these animals are good and and you know it was. So, what are some of the challenges that each animal type would confront was the shortcomings of an eagle or a parrot or you know what? Some of the challenges that they need to maybe work around or overcome or their daunted by? It for every style it it's an issue of overuse. It's like pushing the needle too far when overuse strength your strength becomes your weakness. So you take someone who's in Eagle and their assertive overuse. It becomes aggressive their direct. That's healthy their candidate overuse it. They can be blunt bluntness insensitive and offend people it could be a great leader but overused they become domineering. So, it's the. which is our challenge. Heritz optimistic. How can you have too much optimism it isn't optimism stay healthy thing. Well, dial up optimism in your unrealistic at work dial up You know your energy and it's just too bubbly it. Gets too much energy coming accu drives, people crazy. Take the dove mini. How can don't? We need more love in this world how can you have too much compassion? Well, sometimes, it can become smothering a picture, the grandmother who's like, eat eat take it here. I'm going to put more on your plate. You can afford it here. You here take it home with you. It's love but it's dialed up too much and where the Eagle become restive the dub becomes passive were eagle becomes arrogant overuse the dubbed the comes insecure. And for an owl, same thing are the challenges of the OWL are dialing up their need for accuracy. They become the perfectionist and they can't make a decision because they have to have everything perfect or passive of every bit of information before they can make a decision and so they can just be very critical of themselves almost having that loud internal critic but also critical of others to so so it's the. Shortcomings of the styles are when you take the style and you dial it up too high, it becomes your weakness but the beauty there is that you just need to dial it back down. You don't need to become someone different if you're the eagle in your being to just dial it back down to being direct if you're the parent or too optimistic highlight back down to optimism, but a sense of realism to. Him. Do you work with particular demographic or it's just that you know people can sign up for the the courses or do you do target particular? subsections married the beauty of personality out every do and I've worked with more than half the fortune. One hundred companies I've spoken in forty seven states what spoken to small and mid sized companies. I've women's leadership conferences a big events in at just in Ireland recently Barcelona in. France I mean it's personality is cross doesn't hurt his cultures gender and age in any kind of demographic big companies, small companies it doesn't really matter. You're you're gonNA see yourself in the conversation hopefully you're tuning in today you're seeing yourself in the conversation you're thinking which bird m I and you're probably thinking about whether it's your kids or a spouse and That's the beauty of this topic it really of lies everybody. right. So where can people find out more about this with what you have a website Mr Parrot Do you have any way? People can see this stuff? It give us some details. So, you can go to. Take flight learning dot com you can learn about about the training and if you want to follow me I, give like a daily dose of a smile wisdom on twitter. So it's at Merrick are. So it's at M. E. R. R. I c.? K.? R.. And I've got a new book coming out got a couple of chameleon who really teach foundation of the styles. But I've got a new one about presidential elections called personality wins who will take the White House and how we know. So if people want to learn about the styles in a nonpartisan way looking back at how personality has played out in the elections, a the president of the United States since nineteen, thirty, two to nineteen. Twenty twenty that's a great place to see personality playing out. So you can learn about personality through the Lens of the presidential election. Oh good. That's a good you bringing that up again, we can get to that. You know while we have a little bit of time left we list. Let's Kinda give a sneak peek presidential election stuff who wins the presidency what animals win the presidency. The most animals are losers, the most Well, it depends on what time period you're talking from nineteen, thirty two. Eagles in Paris that dig energy of the Eagle and the parrot beat the in the. Every single time the only time dubs analysis have one in the past twenty. Two elections is when they're going against another dub or Al. so take somebody like. Jimmy. Carter who's the dove goes against Ford who was also a dove so dove is winning that election. Yeah. But then you take that dubbed Jimmy Carter Against Parrot Ronald Reagan Reagan wins same thing happened to George H. W Bush goes against their both owls Dukakis and. Bush, and so an owl was going to win that one. But then put Bush against Bill Clinton Parrot Bill. Clinton wins in that happened over and over and over again. But what's what's amazing is fryer one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two from the twenty, eight election back owls dubs one almost every election and they beat eagles in parents all the time and why is that? Media from nineteen thirty, two on, we could hear Roosevelt's booming voice on a fireside chat. You can see if you or you can see about JFK on TV against that Owl Nixon versus the parent of JFK and You know tweets. The problem is that owls have a hard time capturing their policy positions in a tweet where an eagle or a parrot does their inspirational. The rotational there were were their bottom line direct I end. In, dubs have a hard time in today's world winning presidential election. It does not mean they wouldn't be amazing president of the greatest presidents in US history have been Al's dubs from from Lincoln who presidential scholars widely believe is the single greatest president of the United States is Abraham Lincoln was dove a George Washington Owl Jefferson Owl Adams out lot of als in dubs, but they were all before nineteen thirty two. Of. Just fascinated. About. person. Plays. In presidential elections that I said earlier, it's a giant personality contest and personality wins. All right. So what is your? Prediction I guess for twenty twenty. Who's WHO's the WHO we got we as as we stand now, the two major candidates trump and. what's up with trump what is trump and what is Joe Biden I have my guesses but hey, I want you. I. Well, what do you say trump definitely the dove, right Yeah sure prowl. and. He has that odile turned up a lot. is the reality. He's the eagles style, Joe. Biden, it's parrot. So from from the model just shared from what I shared with you up to this point eagle versus parrot, it's a tossup but here's something interesting. Every time we've had an eagle. Owl who are more logical they're they're on the task oriented side of the continuum. They don't necessarily up as much empathy as the dubs into parrots do every time we've had an eagle or OWL president. They've been followed by a parrot or dove because it's almost like how we had that directness of Donald Trump. Now, we need somebody who has more empathy and more that charisma that a parrot might bring. So so we've had an eagle as president. The data would say that the next president is going to be a parent or of the big question is, will that next president will that power to beat twenty, twenty or twenty, twenty, four so I do believe that the country is longing for the empathy that that Joe Biden does expressed some just by looking at the data. Would just that were most likely to have a parrot or dove this time around and Joe Biden happens to be a parrot got so. You can for what you will but that's what the data would suggest It was funny about it is that the data I used for presidential elections in astrology terms says that trump is winning because Joe Biden's a Scorpio Scorpio's do not win elections anymore. They used to, but they don't any now interesting. Well, we shall. We haven't had a Scorpio president in about one hundred years. Interesting, so described. So from a traits perspective, how would you describe a Scorpio? I would say on the on the on the wide stage and you can see this in the last presidential election as well on the wider stage Scorpio's Scorpio's general a very academic they're learning they're very deep and passionate, but they're also very learned. They take their an intellect very, very seriously. They have a well of knowledge. They usually do very well in school, but they're kind of a wonky there. Could be a little boring that kind of want to get that. Mike. Dukakis thing. He got the Hillary Clinton thing very smart Berry accomplished but not really capturing the essence of what people want and both of them went down to loss to Geminis Dukakis loss to Gemin- I Hillary Clinton lost two Gemini and now we have another Gemini, Scorpio Race and Yeah Scorpios just don't win anymore. So, what you're saying is pretty much what I'm saying personality you described an owl owls don't tend to win presidential elections anymore just the media doesn't cover them that way. You can look at somebody like an Elizabeth, Warren, very wonky, very owl like and you rattled off a great list of from Dukakis, the Hillary Clinton to Al Gore. Bob Dole is just a large collection of owls who did not win and it'd be interesting to see how many of those. Fascinating, well, actually some of them aren't, but though, but but Doug Dukakis and Clinton and Biden are Scorpio's and they. Will we haven't had an election yet but I just if if Biden wins that'd be the first Scorpio win in about one hundred years. From. So. Lose to win Scorpio's predates, radio. Interesting it right. It would have been like Hillary Clinton is an owl beat Donald Trump has an eagle that would have been the first time that happened since nineteen, twenty eight. The last time we got US A. Last time we got a Scorpio elected was nineteen twenty. It was Warren harding. There you go and what you are, what you're saying and how you're describing them in that model of they don't win anymore. It reflects itself in personality as well. We're just using a different. Lens. But saying the exact same thing fascinating. That's right. Absolutely. Well, this is great conversation there. You know what would you say? What's the one thing that people can take away? From this interview what would you tell people to do to get to know themselves better or get to do build a skill of adapt APP that's ability better. What's one tip? It's no your style and don't imposed on the people around you. GotTa know yourself you gotTa know others don't impose it on the on the people in your life respect to they aren't treat them the way they need to be treated. Odd. Thank you very much your website again. Hate Flake learning dot com take flight learning DOT COM boy a my wings tired my arms just exhausted. Being on the programs. Thank you so i. If, you'd like to be a guest on the core confidence life podcast. Just fill out our application by going to court confidence life dot com slash guest that's core confidence life dot com slash guest we appreciate you and all your feedback. So to give us comments about the podcast or anything else just send a message to dentist at Core Confidence Life Dot Com. That's dentist at core confidence, life dot Com. Follow. US On facebook twitter youtube and all the social media outlets, of course at core. Confidence Lucky. I'm your host Dennis from New York. City. 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A New Year's Eve mystery that would take the next nine years to solve I'm Lester Holt and this is dateline. Rod Kopplin calls nine one one and says that his wife Appears Dad. He said that Anna found her in the bathtub. Never seen my son shellshocked on reading the death certificate and I saw that the calls did was undetermined. This is a really sensational case. You have this beautiful woman, a tall handsome guy, greed infidelity. People were telling us things that were very worry. He's sleeping around with other women. We believed it was a staged accident. Case bothered me for a long time. He was adamant about his innocence. They just don't have direct evidence. First thing I thought of was chicken four knowing rest. Here's Andrew Accounting with and game. If you had one place at screams New York, city, it's usually this time. Swear is the city's heart and soul, and normally furloughs, noise and lights, and people rushing somewhere or nowhere. Take a short walk uptown. However, maybe twenty five minutes on foot and the endless racket of tourist hotspots commerce gives way to a quieter vibe. Here you find. The tree lined streets in cozy apartments of the upper west side. I started my own family here on the upper west side just steps from Central Park. During the day, this neighborhood is buzzing with families at night. It's quiet and safe. But just two blocks from where I lived in the early morning. Hours of New Year's Eve two thousand nine. Something terrible. Touch this neighborhood. It happened inside this Pricey apartment building on West. Sixty Eighth Street. Around seven am a man named Rod. coughlan called nine one one to say his nine year old daughter Anna found his wife Shelly unconscious in the bathtub. Rebecca Rosenberg a reporter for the new. York Post knows this case inside and out. He sees his wife in the TUB. He pulls her out puts her. Face up on the ground and starts performing CPR. Then, he calls nine one one. And they tell to keep performing CPR this is a horrible scene and I would imagine absolutely devastating for their daughter. The EMT's arrived in minutes. They found no pulse. forty-seven-year-old Shelly Cullen was beyond help. The please come to the scene of eventually. A detective comes to the scene. Detectives found a tub full of bloody water. Shelly wrapped in a comforter on the floor next to it. Above the tug, a cabinet with the door hanging off. It's hinge. Surmised Shelly had grabbed it as she fell and landed hard in the TUB. And so investigators began the difficult process of deconstructing a life that had just come to a sad and mysterious end. The police would soon learn that. Chile Dennis Chef Cullen was larger than life. Nobody admired her more than her sister. Eve and brother-in-law Marc car stat. We would have a blessed mood. Laugh a lot. choose a lot of fun. She graduated with a Marketing Degree and then my dad had asked her if she wanted to come and work with him. At Merrill, Lynch. Shelley eventually became a private wealth manager. The money was good, so was the prestige. Shelly was fancy. She was smart. She was educated Shelley's friend Stephanie. Goldman remembers the day. Shelley took her to the upscale Friars Club. It was winter time. She was wearing her fur coat or Minko. Men just came over to her. It was like being swept off her feet. She's got the finance job. The style the I sounds like she kind of was the classic. New York City woman absolutely absolutely she was. In February of Nineteen Ninety, eight shelley went to a Jewish singles mixer and Manhattan. Were sparks flew with a guy. She met there his name Rod Colon. She called her sister that night. With an outrageous announcement. She was all giggles and she said I met a Guy Really Nice Guy. And she said we're on our way to the airport to elope. She was laughing and I said Shelly leased. Don't do this. Eve talked her sister out of it that night, but shelly was serious, and so was Rod Shelly was eleven years older than him, but that didn't seem to matter. His Parents Dave and Carole Colin say he adored her right from the start you told us has an girlfriend and we have to meet her and I said Okay passovers coming up. We don't have time right now. No, you have to meet her a Brunette back then shelley married rod six months later and reality set in as they settled down to life as a couple. It wasn't exactly bliss. Because while Shelly was stunning, overachiever Rod was well not in the same league. It was a stock trader of Middling Success WanNa. Did see was a guy that really had a lot of big ideas. And was unable to execute on any of them, but he had a couple of talents, martial arts and backgammon, and when he sat down and played, he won, and he won money. Two years after she married Rod. Shelley gave birth to Baby Anna Choosing separable from from Anna. She was not on that child. Choose credible mom. A second pregnancy followed twins, but that ended in tragedy, so they were born prematurely. And and they died. Oh, my Gosh! I think at childbirth and one. Like a few hours, hundred sheep handle that. How do you support her? It's just such a awful thing devastating entire year. Was a nightmare for her. Then in two thousand six, shelly had a baby boy. She and rod named their son miles. But now three years later, shelly was dead and the scene inside that apartment on the upper west side was chaos. Mark Says Eve could barely function. Sore she walked on the corridor and she was as white as a sheet, choosing terrible shock. Nypd Detective Carl Rotor Mel was there to pondering various scenarios. I've been to places where people have fallen TUB and. It's anything's possible. In this case, that would be an understatement. A whirlwind romance that ended in a storm when we return. She said he doesn't get a job and he's just hanging around the house and she was very frustrated. She said he's driving me crazy. Might get worse when Shelly told me that he was going to be living. First of all, my first instinct was I. don't think this is a good idea. Big Apple is usually a happy time. Celebrations everywhere and the promise of fresh starts and new dreams. But for those who knew and loved Shelly, Cullen, two thousand ten began with sadness. Shelly, sister eve and her husband Mark couldn't believe the mother of two was gone. Did it kind of hit you later? The the more. Emotional side of things as you think about your life without her right, exactly the children without her right and you can't even think about the magnitude of it all. Shelley's in-laws David and Carol. Copeland were also in shock. Their son Rod called with the news. Is this Shelly's dead? I don't think I've ever made it. Manhattan faster my life. Did you get any details? No, in that first phone call nothing. No, he just jellies debt. When you arrive, what's going on? Roderick was sitting on the couch. WHO's in sharp? Honestly I've I've never seen my son. Shell shocked and speechless in my life. The next few days were a blur for religious reasons. The family decided not to have an autopsy performed. My father-in-law obviously made the final decision. He went by his rabbi who said? Don't do the what topsy. It was only as friends and family gathered to sit Shiva the Jewish period of mourning that they had time to think about the vibrant woman they just lost. She was incredibly devoted mother. She was an incredible person. But what was also on their minds was darken troubling shelley's rocky marriage to Rod. She said. He doesn't get a job. He goes to the gym twice a day. And he's just hanging around the house and she was very frustrated. She said he's he's driving me crazy. In two thousand nine shall confess to her sister that our marriage was in serious trouble, and she said we're broken, and we just have to part ways. And she cried, she went to me. One thing mark and eve say came between the couple was rods dramatic mood swings broad has and has always had a violent explosive temper. He could be sitting very calmly in a chair, and something can set him off and in seconds he will literally explode. Shelley also complained about rods growing obsession with backgammon. It became a passion and then an obsession. For Him. Did he ever say? Why I think he had forged relationships in the Beckham and community. that he really liked even rods, parents felt their son was spending too much time on the game. Him that he was being a little ridiculous with the backgammon and. Backgammon too much. I said you've got a family. The Covenant and say they saw. Shelley to once they felt were equally damaging to the marriage. She started going to the Fire Friars Club from a once-a-week. It became much more frequent than that. The couple seemed to be living separate lives in what had be a painful moment. Schilling told her sister. It wasn't the backgammon or the fact that rod wasn't pulling his weight that pushed to separate. It was rods cheating. She believes that he left an email up, so she would purposely see it from another woman, and she confronted him, and he said that yes, he's sleeping around with other women and he wants an open marriage. He still loves her and wants to open marriage. Most women don't want to go along with the open marriage. Was One of those who said absolutely no. By Jun. Rod had moved out and he didn't go far. Shelly arrange for him to live her free an apartment across the hall to make it easy for the kids. Her close friend Stephanie Goldman wasn't happy with the arrangement when Shelly told me that he was going to be living across the hall. My first instinct was my goodness. I don't think this is a good idea. Nevertheless show was moving on and so was Rod. He was very charming and intelligent funny. Quirky sort of way and I really enjoyed playing backgammon with him. Deborah Owl's met rotted a backgammon tournament months later. Their relationship became romantic. I wasn't looking for any sort of relationship and. He was you know he's pretty aggressive and. Even the fact that I'm considerably older than Rod. Yeah, so it never occurred to me that he would be interested me in that in that way, so it surprised you. Surprise made an overture right, and of course it made me feel good. You know younger man being attracted to me. Meanwhile, Shelly was working with divorce attorney Lance Mayer we talked about all the problems. WHO's having with her husband and the concern? She had about herself her children and she was really trying to figure out the best way to go about proceeding with a divorce case. I fall. She was dipping her toe in the dating pool again. She was on Jay. She had met some gentlemen and Jade Jewish dating website yeah yeah. Shelly seemed on track to make a fresh start in two thousand ten. Until that fresh start ended in what seemed like a deadly accident when I heard that she slipped and fell in the tub. My initial reaction was she wouldn't even take a bath. And now Shelley's friends and family were wondering about the story Rod. Told police that his daughter Anna called him that morning in a panic and let him into the apartments because he didn't have a key. Was Very. suspicious. Suspicions that only deepened when mark learned, the medical examiner wasn't sure either on reading the death certificate, and I saw that the cause of death undetermined. Coming up. Rod said he had pulled Shelley's wet body out of the TUB, so why Wasn he wet chew? Officers found this unusual noted this. How would you not get what? When dateline continues. Willie geist here on this week's episode of The Sunday, sit down podcast. I get together with legendary actor. Samuel L. Jackson to talk about his prolific career in Hollywood and bringing shaft back to theaters. You can get it now for free wherever you download your podcasts. I'm charmingly host of into America, a podcast from NBC, News and Msnbc Join me as we go into the numbers, eighty three percent of her patients don't have insurance right now into the choices I have to plan a funeral, the age of the corona versus how is this GonNa work and into away through the importance of music is to keep our spirits. Into America a podcast about everyday people and the power that politics policy and a pandemic have in shaping our lives new episodes every Monday and Thursday. From the Moment Shelly Cullen's family heard the story of her death, a slip and fall in a bathtub full of water. They felt it just didn't make sense. How do you fall in a bathtub? And then I started thinking I said. Shelly takes a bath. She showers. You know she's. Taking a bath. Loss Shelly had gotten a Carrollton hair straightening treatment the previous morning. She wasn't supposed to get her hair wet for several days. They don't wash your hair for seventy two hours, not even supposed to go to the gym. This is what's been sort of labeled the legally blonde moment. Yup, that any woman who knows about a carrot and treatment to straighten. Your hair is not going to lose your hair like that. Shelley's death didn't sit right with lead detective. Carl Rotor Mel Either While, he felt her death could have been an accident. Details at the scene bothered him. The way. That cabinet door had been down the blood in the TUB and marks on Shelly's body. Chan bruising to her lip, she appeared to have some scratch marks and shed bruising to her right hand. And what the detective would learn later cast suspicion directly on Rod. Rod told an officer that he had to pull shelley's wet body under the TUB. Yet. His clothes were bone dry. New York Post reporter, Rebecca Rosenberg Chew officers found this unusual noted this. How would you not get what he was wearing a light-colored shirt? He just wasn't what at all, and it wasn't consistent with the story he told. And their doorman remembered rod doing something that morning. That was highly unusual for him. He stopped by the front desk on his way out of the building to get a snack, even bought the doorman. A snickers bar with Roman thought this was weird, because Rod Colin usually wasn't chatty in had all the years he'd been there never offered to bring him anything back. Suspicious details indeed. The detective was hoping more clues would emerge from an autopsy. But remember. Shelley's family didn't have one done for religious reasons. How did you feel about that? I was uncomfortable. But if that's what the family wanted I mean. You. Always want to try to help the family the best you can. It's a hard time. But without autopsy results. He says there wasn't much he could do so less than a week after shelley died her family a private investigator. So you're not satisfied. Not at all the president of he hit started. Sort of talking to friends of chilies, and we had a flood of information that was extremely suspicious. People were telling us things that were very worrying. Including things that confirmed with the family had already seen for themselves. Shelley's divorce attorney Lance Mayer. He would belittle her. He would yell at Hurry. Call. Her ugly would make fun of her Lux, so he was. He was a demeaning person. He would go. So low in fact that at one point during their divorce rod tried to undermine her at work. He called her company to report that Shelly was on drugs unstable and depleting their joint bank accounts. He was trying to get her to lose her job and it was obviously. She worked in a family operation within UBS, so it was, it was a very serious thing. He was China part her and her family. The company Determined Shelly was drug free, and found that rod was taking much more money from their account than she was. The divorce got uglier the to squabbled over child support. Had one point a judge told Rod. He could no longer play backgammon something. He blamed on Shelly. He was beyond angry. She was taken away the thing he apparently cared about the most. A couple of weeks after Shelley's death, her family took their private investigator over to her apartment to check out the scene. Something caught the investigators i. The. Cabinet that shelley had supposedly grabbed as she fell. The screws had been pulled out of the wall. He thought that would have taken more force than the five foot, four, one hundred and thirty two pounds. Shelly could muster. That would have taken a lot of strength. To pull the actual door of the cabinet or something that Shelly wouldn't have been able to do. He didn't believe most likely, so there's no doubt in your mind. Now that this is a staged accident. We believed it was a staged accident. But none of this was a smoking gun. The only way to know for sure how shall he died was to exhume her body and do an autopsy. Two months after Shelley's death at the family's urging her body was pulled out of its grave and reexamined. Detective. Rotor Mel was in the room with the medical examiner. What are you seeing? What are you thinking pretty much near the end of it? He looked at us. You showed us the. Bone was broken. That's in the. Area and he says it was going to be a homicide. Shelly had been choked to death. Coming up. A trial of lies, secrets and surprises. The question was never. Is. He going to kill? Shalita question was always when. Shelly. Cover had been found dead in her bathtub in December two thousand nine. Investigators have long believed her husband Rod had killed her, but they didn't have enough evidence to prove it. Then after nearly six years of slowly building a case, prosecutors finally became convinced they had enough to persuade a jury. In November, two thousand fifteen shelly sister Eve got word from the District Attorney's office. She said we're about to arrest rock coupling for the murder of Shelley Cullen. So I started to get very emotional, and she says to me okay, and I said I've just been waiting a really long time to hear those words. It would take three more years for rods trial to begin. After waiting so long for Justice Eve, and her husband Mark steeled themselves. Why was it important for you to be there so I can tell you that on December, thirty one. I said I'm not leaving until they take shelly's body out. and. Then when it came to the trial, I said I will be there every single day she knows. Along with the rest of the family. There's only one person prosecutor Matthew. Bogdanos described broad coverage as a cold blooded killer determined to get his wife out of his life. Take their children and sees her assets at any cost. Only one person had the motive. The Opportunity And the means. To have done this. Prosecutors admitted case wasn't a tidy one ready for CSI. But, they put a lot of circumstantial evidence in front of the jury. We know it's a circumstantial case. But what are they going for them? With this jury. What they have going for them. Is that obviously Coughlin had access. He was right across the hall. He had motive and his not a sympathetic guy. Prosecutors presented witnesses who said Rod didn't even try to hide his abuse of his wife. The family nanny told the jury that at one point he had become enraged and violence. She said to me, said throw her down on the floor. And when he hawks to go into the bedroom, she said she was scared of going Hindia. We did because you don't know what he'll do. The Prosecutor described Shelly textbook victim of domestic abuse. The question was never. Is he going to kill shelling? Question was always when. Shelly was living in fear. Prosecutors said because her estranged husband was boiling with rage in their custody battle. Shelley's divorce attorney Lance. Mayer took the stand to say how rod had even used his son as a weapon Mr. The children and Show using miles, it turns out that he took them to the hospital and made allegations that shelley had sexually abused their son. Wow, so this is getting ugly, yes. Prosecutors said those disturbing and false accusations were just one example of how was becoming unhinged. He was also obsessively tracking Shelley's move with secretly installed software on her computer rod told this co worker that it enabled him to read her emails. He would reading through things. was upset with the number people that she was talking to. And he was upset about. The way he was being or trade in her emails. By late, two, thousand nine, he was also deeply in debt with virtually no income still even with their divorce pending. He believed he would gain control of her five million dollar estate if she died. But then rod bound some emails. Shelly sent just two days before her death. She reaches out to a an attorney and and also tell several people that she wanted to change her well in essentially right Rod. Coughlan out of her will the states that's when rod snapped and hatched his plan. The night of December thirty her friend Melissa field saw her and son. Something was wrong. Shelly was. Nervous when we first met up, and she was looking around quite a bit and I did ask her what the problem if something was wrong. She was worried that her ex husband was following her on what would turn out to be her last night alive? Shelley remained in fear. It was all heavy on her mind. When she got home to her apartment that night at seven fifty, one caught here on security cameras. Leader? She logged onto her online dating profile at ten thirteen, the last activity on any of her devices. Rod meanwhile was across the hall. He was usually online playing backgammon late into the night, but suddenly his online presence stopped at one. Oh three, a M, no sign of him until he popped up on that surveillance video in the lobby at four thirteen am. The allegation was that he wanted to be seen on camera. Alibi. This was like his way of sort of building an alibi. The prosecution called the new. York State Medical Examiner in the autopsy, noticed those scratches on her face, and that fractured bone in her neck. My conclusion was that she had died as the result of neck compression, and I classified the death is a homicide strangulation, not an accidental fall, and in another sinister twist prosecutors believed that three and a half years after Shelley's death. Raw drafted a note composed from his twelve year. old daughters email account pretending to be her. It read. I lied she didn't just slip. I got so mad, so I pushed her. I didn't mean to hurt her I swear. It was never sent, but it did hit the tabloids after it was filed with the court. What father does that. Who does that WHO does that a child? Who Basically Child. On the run. Prosecutors didn't get that note admitted into trial, but they were about to bring forward a star witness whose explosive allegations would rock the courtroom. Coming up. What, was it like walking into that courtroom and seeing Rod coughlan in their? Tear fine. She fell in love with one rod coverlet. Then she says she met the other, he said. You have to help me kill my parents. When dateline continues. Veteran prosecutors will tell you that once they built their case for the jury. They try to put a closer on the stand. A witness who buttons everything up with a riveting tale of the what the? Yes thank you in the trial of Rod Cullen. The closer turned out to be none other then Deborah. Rods Backgammon, buddy and his former lover. Taking the stand sunglasses on. What was it like walking into that courtroom and seeing Rod Colin in their terrifying I had to look at him one time. Once? Just to point them out and say that special as Deborah testified that she got a late night call from rod on that fateful New Year's Day. He told me that his wife had an accident and died. My very first thought was. That's a really weird coincidence timing, and that really basically solves all problems, but then I felt guilty about thinking that because he said it was an accident, and then the paper said it was accident. You're saying coincidence. He needed money right. They've broken up and then she dies, so it makes rods life easier right, but then he was very adamant about his innocence always. After that their long distance relationship progressed in fits and starts. They'd often play backgammon online. Deborah would drive her home down South to tournaments, sometimes picking up Rod in New York and taking with her. Then one day in two thousand ten, the police paid her a surprise visit. I answered all their questions and offered to give him a copy of the Games the Gregorian Games that we played so they'd have exact times that we played. Men that was it. Did they tell you why they were there? They thought he was guilty. They said it was a really bad person and I didn't believe them at the time. You had gotten to know him pretty well. Point to right I never saw the monster that eventually came to know until later. But the monster was lurking as Deborah told the court over time, she began to see just how volatile rod could be. He had a mercurial temper. It didn't take much to set him off. She also saw terrible fights that he had with his parents. By Two? Thousand Twelve Rawdon. His children were living with his parents in new. York City. Suburb and the fighting was constant. One time during one of these fights Rod, his like brought his arms back, and he shoved. His father is hard as he cut, his father went flying. Into, the room his head on the floor. Eventually rods parents have visited him and captains. His Kids Rod was determined to strike back. Denver says he hatched bizarre plots to kill his parents. She told the court about one. He dreamt up when superstorm sandy struck the east coast. He said that. Because there was no electricity the alarms the alarm would not be on. He wanted to go through a window in the basement. Killers parents said his and set his house on fire. I was. Just stunned he was going to. He wanted to go over. There set fire Kayla's parents set fire to the house in Somehow get an miles out safely and. I discussed it with him for like fifteen minutes or something like no, you're not GonNa do this you know, and then finally I said just. How are you going to explain? Morocco miraculously that you just happen to be there. To Save Your children, and finally that you know so he backed out. He finally backed down. Then she said there was the poison plot that called for his young daughter Anna to participate. You wanted her to put rat poison. In their food or Mike Sugar for their tea or whatever? Why don't you leave him at this point I'm I supposed to protect his his? Parents if I don't know what's going what he's plotting. I can't I can't be there and protect you know If I'm not there. He won't confide in me and let me know what's going on. You're helping this situation as to be the the the voice of reason for either try and talk him out of it or have enough definitive proof where I can go to the police. By this time Deborah had rented an apartment for herself and rod to live in just north of New York, city. But she says she was growing weary of his anger and exasperated by his lured schemes. One day she testified, things came to a head. We were in the car driving and he said to me. You have to help me kill my parents and I said I am not going to help you kill your parents. And he asked me like four or five times and I finally. I just like I'm not GonNa help you kill your parents, and even if I wanted to which I, don't you kill me to any of this kind of creepy laugh? And he looked at me in a way that like. Oh, you're just now figuring this out. And then he said quote no I. Only WanNa kill the people who try to take my children away from me. Did you believe now that Rod kill chilly? There is no question susceptible of doubt in my mind that he killed her at that point. Finally Rawdon Deborah split in August two thousand fourteen. She called investigators and told them everything she knew. Now four and a half years later, she had told a jury and she was about to get grilled by Rod Collins Defense attorneys. Coming up. Say. You would show. I was mad at him questions, and after nine years unanswered. How hard was waiting for the verdict? Oh my Gosh! That was so painful I had such butterflies. Carol Cullen sat behind her son during the long weeks trial. Why was it so important for you to be there? It's my son. And I think any mother would do that for their child. You had to listen to your son being called a philanderer on an abuser and a Keller. How did you handle that? You really wanted to get up and scream at them. Call them liars, but you can. One of the most explosive pieces of testimony was Deborah Owl's alleging that rod had wanted to kill you and in grand fashion. We're talking arsenic poison rods, dad, Dave says the claims were laughable. The alleged murder plot I think a farce rods defense attorney Robert. gottlieb agreed during a testy cross examination. He tried to poke holes in Deborah's testimony, starting with her story of those plots were. Yes. Can you call A. Place. It. Gottlieb says Deborah Stories of Rod's temper didn't add up either time and time again when she is saying that she bullied by Rod, she was afraid of him. The only thing she ever says in her emails is I love you. Dear I. Love You and over again. Despite her denials, Gottlieb said Deborah had been crushed. When the relationship ended her testimony, he said was nothing more than the words of a woman scorned. So bear, say yes. You. Know. I was mad at him was mad at him for a lot of reasons. To. Say That you have a history. And had admitted to being a bitch. Law That is, that is disgusting and false. That is not true. The defense conceded rod wasn't always a standup guy, but he said that didn't make him a murderer. You may despise him. You may not even be able to look at him. You may want to convict him. To convict somebody of, murder. There's got to be proved. There was none Gottlieb, said zero evidence, there had been foul play no signs of a struggle. He said Rod couldn't have slipped into Shelly's apartment and killed her like the prosecution argued because there was no evidence, even had a key remember Rod said Little Anna had led him in that morning. There's been no evidence that Mr. Calvin was ever in the apartment on December thirty or December thirty one before seven a m, no evidence either Gottlieb sad about what had caused shelley's injuries. He suggested one explanation the exhumation. They used backhoes to exhume. they used shovels to get to the the coffin Carol said there was nothing she heard in court that convinced her. She's death was anything but a tragic accident. If you see those photos, doesn't. Look like she just slipped and fell. It looks like did something to her. Not really if you look at her face if she slipped and fell and hit her face into the bathtub. So where did her scratches come from them? I mean you don't scratches. Falling in a bathtub depends on what's in their out how they took her out. I have no idea. You know we. Just you know again? You are left with conundrum. Conundrum that would never be solved. The defense argued because of Bungling by investigators. Do not have any not for any of those interviews uncertain thirty one for. Not that I recall sir. Investigators hadn't tested for fingerprints or collected DNA samples. There was a long list Gottlieb said of what investigators hadn't done at the scene. Every single viewer. Would know that that's not the way. You investigate a suspicious seen if there's even a remote possibility. That it could be a homicide. Disgraceful. Then in a bold move, the defense rested without calling any witnesses. After more than eight weeks of testimony, it was up to the jury to decide. Was this an accident or a cold blooded murder? How hard was it waiting for the verdict? My Gosh, that was so painful and I had such butterflies. Oh, my gosh, that was bad. They didn't have to wait long. After only a day of deliberations, the jury was back. I'll say I count of diamond charging and defendant lottery calmly with the crime of murder in the second degree, guilty or not guilty guilty. Jurors. Guilty I've been through a lot of trials and I don't know that I've ever seen that much emotion from a family and that many hugs nominee tears. I mean it was pretty incredible to watch. Your family wasn't a moment of celebration. There was a moment of relief. For fear of what would it be if? The wrong verdict Ken DOPP and outside the courthouse, family and friends gathered. After all this time, they felt like they could breathe again. First thing I thought of boss. It's justice for Shelley chicken finally rest. Deborah Owl's hopes she can rest now to the prosecution's star. Witness is happy. The jury believed her. It was like a huge weight has been lifted off of me and I'm finally. Completely. It's done. Do you regret the day you met Rod ideal I really do. The defense attorney said Rod plans to appeal. One of his biggest supporters is his daughter Anna. Both children live with Rod's parents. How are the children doing? They're. Holding it together as best they could. Shelley's children are teenagers now. They don't have much contact with shelly side of the family. Is there anything that you want the children to know about their mother and how you feel about them. Their mother! With every breath, she took every. Ounce of her, she had door them. A. That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again next Friday at ten, nine Central, and of course OCU each weeknight, for NBC, nightly news I'm Lester Holt for all of us at NBC News Good Night. The. Meet the Press Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics, the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.
"Welcome to kids myths and Mysteries. I'm your host kept crumb today. I'm going to take a look at secret societies. I'll be examining how these societies have affected most major changes in American society how they've taken advantage of what is often referred to as the American go along attitude and high threshold for official misdeeds personality in 2004. George W. Bush was challenged through the election process by John Kerry despite the glaring differences in their politics. They were forever joined-at-the-hip off by a secret society both were and are members of the order of Skull and Bones Bush being a third-generation member father George HW Bush's secret name was Joe Sugg his grandfather Prescott shoulder Bush actually stole for the order one of their prized possessions. Geronimo's skull the Press caught onto the connection and they asked the cap. Dates about the Skull and Bones though as separately their answers were the same. It's a secret from the confines of the Tomb the name of the structure that houses the order that's calling bones may have come precedent Senators judges cabinet secretaries plenty of CIA field agents many of the members have been that tightens of finance and Industry Henry Luce founder of time-life Fortune and natural reviews William Buckley to name just to how are members chosen you might ask the selection procedure for new members hasn't changed since 1832 each year 15 new members are recruited over the past 150 years about 2,600 Yale graduates have been initiated at any given time around five hundred members are active and it's estimated from Fringe sources that about one-quarter of that number are actively working to carry out the objective. Of the order whatever that is, however, many lose interest and stop attending meetings and are referred to as silent dropouts at the beginning of this podcast. I said be examining how secret societies affected the American public aside from the judges and Senators that are members of skull and bones in shaping our laws. If we look back at the 2018 election of George W bush who defeated John Kerry the winner wasn't determined until the following day when Kerry decided not to dispute Bush's win in a Midwestern State of Ohio could carry stepping down have something to do with the fact that George W bush held more clout within the Skull and Bones was the decision an unspoken agreement between the two bones month Wednesday, but the Bohemian Club like the Skull and Bones in some ways yet older and more widespread across the United States there also a secret society job. There is so much speculation about Freemasons influence on American money there with that in mind take a closer. Look at the u.s. One dollar bill with a Jeweler's loupe examined the one on the front to the right of the bill. Now look closer at the top left corner or curve in the design that in cases the one there, you'll see an owl could there be a connection between the owl on the one dollar bill and the giant statue of an owl in the Bohemian clubs meeting place in California secret societies was produced here at night owl sound studio and brought to you by Book Savvy Studio Loft Lodge, press the Rogue Valley metaphysical library and Owl Creek Press and writers Retreat. If you'd like a transcript of this or any other thoughts podcast from this show drop me a line at Kent K Crum at gmail.com. This is kit Chrome. Thanks for listening.
"Welcome details of goes town to the old west. I've your host kit chrome. I got a request from Jeff. Be for information on Holy Anna California. Well Jeff here it is the ghost town of Halina was originally a native American camp going back. As far as I four thousand years ago today just another abandoned ghost town with a population of zero after the gold rush began a man by the name aim of cravenly filed a land settled the claim in eighteen fifty two on the north fork of the Trinity River. This spot would grow into a small mind supply camp gap that originally went by the name North Fork eight hundred fifty two the first year the plas reminding book on the Trinity River Settlers in the North Fork area started started farms and orchards to supply the influx of miners to the area by the late eighteen fifty s lead begins selling his land claims and the town side of North or began to blossom in eighteen fifty five German by the name of Harmon Schumer arrived at North for over the next few years go to blacksmith brewery are- toll bridge last reminding the area reached its peak in eighteen sixty one but a major flood in that year destroyed much of the mining infrastructure of the area. The mining operations were slowed but eventually recovered a north for persevered for decades to become a supply center for the minds and lodging and entertainment eighteen months for the miners in eighteen ninety one the name of the town was changed from north worked Helena to avoid confusion with another town of the same name in California Korea. Elena continued to be an outpost on the Trinity River until the Nineteen Thirties. When the new highway bypassed the town today there is nothing left but a a few old buildings from the earliest boom times very interesting to explore this particular area and it's also interesting to consider the lease location from a historical historical context prior to highway two ninety nine being built connecting the coastal areas to the West with the Trinity River Canyon. Elena was plus at the end of the road. This truly was a frontier mining outpost deep in the Wilderness of Northern California. Elena California was produced here night owl L. Sound Studio and brought to you by the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library an Owl creek press at Al Creek Cabin Dot Com. Check it out. I have a production. I'm not here beginning October. First for the entire month of October night owl sound studio will present to our mysteries every Tuesday stories of suspense dispense intrigued in the Paranormal Thursdays. You can still listen to tales of ghost town so the old west and of course every Monday Wednesday and Friday you could always listen tickets tickets and mysteries. I'm kit chrome. Thanks for listening.
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The President Trump is going to hold off on big card tariffs for six months at any rate step forward. Number two, is that the US Mexico and Canada have come to terms on the president's steel and aluminum tariffs. They will be lifted and Canada and Mexico will work on getting the NAFTA agreement approved. It's still does have to go to the US congress member that the step back was a report from CNBC this afternoon. The Chinese trade talks have, and this is their word stalled, so we're going to take those steps, and we're going to run with them as it were K Davidson's of the Wall Street Journal Dan rea bone is at axios. Everybody. Okay. What do you think two steps forward? At least one step back. Is that a fair approximation? I think so. Yeah. I mean we, we at the journal been reporting that the talks are stalled. And we heard earlier this week Treasury Secretary Mnuchin saying, yeah, we really intend to go back to, to Beijing soon to resume negotiations. Other people close to the secretary of been saying the same thing then we heard yesterday that Chinese Finance Minister saying, I know nothing about this. He's said, I'm not sure if there are plans, you haven't heard anything, so, you know, that suggests that there either they're in the dark or there's not a whole lot of action behind the scenes. And meanwhile, you know, we're hearing from the Akron, culture sector, a lot of concern. Yeah, we hear dear the farming machinery, manufacturer, lowing lowering their profit outlook today, saying, you know, farmers are buying fewer machines. They're being hurt by lower overseas purchases of corn, and soybeans because of the tariffs. So that's a concern growing from that group dealing just assume that we're in this now. Specifically with China for the long haul. There are no signs as, as gate was saying, then go are going to start and then they'll be they'll be fruitful yet. No signs. And actually, you know if you want to characterize about steps, I think we have taken a couple steps forward. But we moonwalked all the way back to this stage when it comes to progress this, this US China trade war, China's our number one trade partner, and we've really engaged in what looks to be a long-term conflict. The, the term Cold War has started to be thrown around and a lot of. Yeah. A lot of fun managers, financial analysts are really sitting here looking at okay, what are the effects the long term effect of this whole globalization theme that's been in place in the market for about twenty thirty years now being rolled back and talking to UBS strategist the other day. And they said, you know, it's interesting because globalization on the way up is like an escalator but on the way down, it's like an elevator shaft. So kate. Look, here's the deal, though. Right. I mean, we're, we're banding about big numbers. Right. Twenty-five. Percent tariffs on two hundred billion dollars worth of stuff. The White House is thinking of three hundred billion more. And yet there has been limited at best real consumer impact. I mean Larry cudlow sprays for this president's chief economic adviser is the impact has been day. Minimus. Yes. Well, I mean, that that's certainly true. I think that if you were to ask a communists, who studied this for a long time is that they're, they're often appears to be short term gain, but it's often at the expense of others in the economy over the long term tariffs just are not good for the economy. They divert resources away from more efficient producers to less efficient ones they can raise the cost of parts and materials, eventually, which would raise the price of goods for, for consumers, and they tend to burden lower income household, so you know, we've heard fed officials say this we've heard other trade experts say that over the long run. Yes, there are certainly people who are harmed by globalization, and in by other previous trade policies, but terrorists are not really the way to go about solving this issue, what do you make of the White House's contention that the President Trump and bug cinch in the United States are in the street? More in a better position than president. Residency and the Chinese economy. Who? Yeah that's, that's a tough one because on the on the one hand on the other hand right on the one hand. It is true that definitely the US economy is stronger. It it doesn't rely as much on imports. We are much more closed economy than China, even though they are shifting in that direction, where the US gets a lot more of our GDP from services than we do from exports manufacturing button also, you've got these folks. And we, we talked about a little bit earlier, you know, pressure from the manufacturing sector farmers. You've got these groups like tariffs were at the heartland, national retail federation that are really pushing back on President Trump and the big question that we're going to find the answer to these tariffs. Stay in place is how much do firms actually have pricing power can companies raise prices and continue to see customers coming through the doors or is the American populace right now not in a position to pay anymore. And you're gonna start seeing a real decline in some of these sales, if they try to pass on the tariffs, that's a big thing that the Fed's been trying to trying to figure out and that a lot. Analysts have. And it looks like we might just find out Kate why with the caveat that the stock market is not the economy. It is. However, you know Connie Jason. Right. What do you make of the argument that, that you have started to see now that what's happening is that the stock market is basically letting the president, not have to deal with real pressure on these negotiations that it goes down? And then the president says something, nice and traders, go. Oh, look. Everything's spooky. Everything's fine. And we ended up up for the day by the discs by the right. I think I think that that's becoming the new normal. Right. I think that it's a little bit of a chicken and egg situation, you know, this the stock market, right here's here's something from from the president. I think like I guess the bar is pretty low here. Right. There's a strong signal from someone in the administration. Right. Things go up. The Chinese responded, they go down. I guess I'm not I think that he's, he's kind of taking the response to his to his tweets as formation that, hey, everyone's happy that things. Are going well, and yeah, so I do think there's something to that idea that you floated chi-. And I'm not sure what's going to break that cycle. Right. Let me just very quickly hit on the way out stay with you. And and talk about the Congressional Budget Office Alice Rivlin the founding director died this week, and there's a new person coming in. Tell us quickly who he is an and, and then the, the short term future, the CBO in terms of the politicization of this economy. Sure, we'll fill sway goal is, is going to be named the new CBO director. He's someone who had served on the CA during the Bush administration. He was also a Bush treasury official in the years leading up to the financial crisis. He was a big player in on the attempts to sort of keep the economy, pull the economy back from the brink in two thousand eight two thousand nine he was an aide to Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson. But I think the key thing is, he's very widely respected by folks on economists and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. So this was a pick that was roundly praised. I think people are, are really happy to see him move in there. That means of course that key. Hall. The previous director is on his way out, and he faced a lot of blowback from Republicans during his time leading CBO when they were scoring these ObamaCare repeal bills. There's a lot of, you know, contentious debate over that will have a tax from the White House. So I think that there's some confidence that Phil is going to, to come in and sort of keep the easy actually set to me yesterday. You know, I I'm keeping Alice Rivlin in my mind mindful of the tone that she said and the tradition that she that she had an, that's what I wanna follow. So I think that sending a strong signal that the CBO will remain nonpartisan and, and to the extent that, that it can, you know, try to ignore the political pressure that's been getting a recent years Davidson, at the Wall Street Journal the at echoes. Thanks you too. Have a nice weekend on Wall Street this Friday, a little slide into the clothes after that CNBC report on the China talks, I mentioned details numbers, you know the drill. Much as there is no shortage of economic data out there. So to there is no shortage of coverage of economic data here because you got to know what's going on. Right. But what to do when as of late the data does not tell consistent story for instance jobless claims hit new lows this week. That's great, but there were downbeat retail spending numbers as well. Not so great. And then just this morning, consumer sentiment hit its highest level in fifteen years. So yeah, but what gives we asked. Marketplace's Justin ho to explain the contradictions you're not crazy. If trying to make sense of this stuff makes your head hurt. It's a general thing that humans do to get their hands around. Big complex sets of information. We put a story to it. George perks episode investment group says a lot of times the story doesn't make any sense. You're not always going to see exactly the same read on a given month from two different data sources for one month to month data. Just isn't that reliable? Political headlines can shifts there can be weather problems. But Mark Lucina at Janney Montgomery. Scott says don't forget, these reports are often revised the next month when a new report comes out, perhaps the number of the new report not only looks better, but there was a revision upward to the previous numbers. That's why most economists say they prefer looking at long term trends rather than monthly figures. You know, when I used to work on Wall Street, we would always joke that wouldn't it be great if they just cover to the monthly data and only put out that on a quarterly basis? That's drew Mattis had life. He says, there's another problem the data we collect is a little old fashioned think about it industrial production numbers. Durable goods orders inventories. Most of our data collections geared towards manufacturing and we've turned into a service sector economy, Madison says the labor market is a much better measure of how the economy's doing in lately. The labor market's been pretty strong. A factor that's propped up consumer sentiment another one even though we always say the stock market isn't the economy. George perks at bespoke investment group says it. Has been a pretty positive influence when the stock market's performing well as it has, you know, she one and most of this year, then consumers are generally gonna feel pretty positive about things perk, says, as long as markets don't tank or something, big, shocks, the entire economy, retail spending should pick up again soon. I'm Justin hope for marketplace. Today's corporate news comes to us from the I don't feel like leading the office or getting up off the couch economy. Amazon has bought a chunk of a company called delivery. That's one of Europe's big food delivery companies. The bring me my food segments of this economy is booming grub post meets Uber eats, as well, handling the order and delivery restaurant, meals to people at home or at work. Even a park, if that happens to be your thing, marketplace's Eric barris reports that while that does bring new business for restaurants. It makes extra work for them to and sometimes changes their business models at VR, GR, or burger restaurants, in Pittsburgh manager, Cassandra Scribner says, it's the livery services that bring wings and fried pickles to customers are super great for the business. It brings in a lot of revenue, or people who possibly would not want to be going out, essentially, the livery through those apps represents a third of the business at the restaurants, six locations, but those orders require some planning Christopher Muller is a hospitality. Professor at Boston University, the highest quality in that Eden moment when it comes out of the oven or out of the out of the kitchen right to the table. So at Biard GR burgers are undercooked, so they arrive at the right temperature. Soggy, salad, not so much when all the dressing comes on the side Muller says preparing and packaging meals differently can be a burden restaurants. Have to sometimes add extra staff, and the payoff, not really there for play gum business third putty, delivery companies take anywhere from twenty to thirty percent of the revenue. Still, this is a growing industry says, Hannah Spencer, a food service analyst with mental most orders through apps like door dash and grub hub or made by urban millennials and they are ordering very frequently. So they, they are very valuable customers. So some restaurants have designated pickup windows for those delivery apps to poli, even has a dedicated food prep line, for delivery orders larger businesses can afford to do that, or workout exclusive deals with. Third party operator. Like the one McDonald's has with Uber. Eat says Alec Suskind with cornell's institute for food and beverage management, not so easy for smaller restaurants, who he says are operating at a loss to say, oh, well, you know, I'll make it up in volume zero zero zero. You're not you're not going to make up a loss in volume, but he says, as competition among the apps heats up cost will go down and restaurants could start to see some profit from those orders America bears for marketplace. What follows will warn you is not for the technologically faint of heart, but do you suppose possible that the reason your phone seems to know more about you than you think it should? And we've all had that feeling right? Do you suppose it's possible that maybe your phone is eavesdropping on you? Not just when you're on a call. But all the time. If the answer is no then how do you explain social media all of a sudden pushing something to you that maybe you've mentioned, but not actually searched for marketplace? Jack Stewart didn't admittedly unscientific experiment. A couple of months ago, I was at a conference chatting with a group that included Betsy Kupa director of the Aspen, institute's tech policy hub you and I were sitting next to each other at some point during the day I was showing her picture on my Instagram, and we saw that I'd never noticed before for a cybersecurity degree at UC Berkeley. Well, my last job was working at UC Berkeley running cybersecurity center, and it prompted that question, which you've probably asked yourself, what could be the explanation for why you were suddenly getting cybersecurity, Berkeley degrees than our conversation. In other words, was your phone listening to you in trying to answer that we went down a woman whole Betsy didn't experiments coming up with a couple of phrases. The she has never typed into a. A search engine and saying them twice a day for a week near her phone needs the first time I've ever said these phrases out loud. So I own my God, I'm pregnant, I can't believe I'm pregnant, I pregnant, I checked with my husband to make sure he was okay with me doing this. And then the second one is I need to go to the hairdresser for a blowout. Mike curly hair really needs to be straight. I have straight. That's a good one. So all bets. He's doing that. I checked in with some technology companies, they say, yes, they do use microphones to listen. Full wake words like Alexa, or hey Google sorry if just triggered yours, but they say they don't monitor conversations. So I called Leslie Johm at Harvard Business School. She studies advocates targeting and consumer behavior, and she says, technology companies don't need to listen to conversations because we give away so much other information, there are so many ways of capturing data. If you ask an advertising executive, I think that they would even. Be hard pressed to enumerate all the ways that information can be gleaned from you. Those all online friends putsches history location race income bracket, age education that all us to build an early accurate profile of us research has even been able to predict depression, or PTSD by analyzing, people social media posts, sometimes many months before a clinical diagnosis. There is another explanation for why we see ads something we've just been talking about it's the frequency illusion. When we noticed one of thing we suddenly start seeing that thing, everywhere it seems like it's reading your mind when actually it's just a coincidence, maybe those ads will always there. But before you just go past without noticing with all that in mind. I decided to do version of Betsy experiment myself. I also came up with a couple of phrases that I had never searched for a high really need to get a new couch. I should really get a new cat. I should get a new county. I really have a need vacation and the results were frustrating. Inconclusive my ads didn't change. But Betsy Kupa who spent a week faking pregnancy in wanting a harassment did notice something I definitely got advertisements for diapers in hair care products on a couple of each so it's a situation where we need to continue to investigate. What permissions were giving apps and how they're using those permissions under the end of this process, she's left with an uneasy feeling about how phone on gesture for marketplace? Uber. Coming up. Little store, but it had everything a local supermarket gone, but not quite forgotten. I though, it's do the numbers. Now industry was down ninety eight points. This Friday three tenths percent twenty-five thousand seven sixty four the NASDAQ eighty one point about one percent seventy eight sixteen. Yes and p five hundred sixteen points, a half percent twenty eight and fifty nine for the week, the Dow gave back six tenths percent. The NASDAQ down one point two percent the S and P five hundred shed seven tenths of one percent, sensitive to the trade war company. Dear plunged seven point six percent today. The heavy equipment maker reported lower quarterly profits than expected as Keith mentioned. Pinterest is out with its first quarterly report since going public in April the bottom line, a forty one million dollar loss. Pinterest shares off thirteen point four percent day. You're listening to marketplace. Hey, it's Molly would here and you've got to listen to this week's make me smart. It's all about climate adaptation. The idea that climate change is here and not in some far future. And so we have to start living with and adapting to the realities of it while also trying to fight it. So what does that all cost operation and maintenance costs of all the things you've already decided to do the current economies already doing those have just gone up? 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Find out what planet can offer your business at planet dot com. That's P. L. A. N. E T, M dot com. This is marketplace. I'm KAI Ryssdal. In case you missed the sad news this morning. Grumpy cat is dead. The grumpy looking cat that spawned one of the best known memes out there passed away from complications from a urinary tract infection at the age of seven some days owners road on Instagram or Grumpier than others. Grumpy cat was an empire. Shed an agent merchandise even a movie and as marketplace's remain issue, a report that is getting harder for a mean to do tartar sauce was born in Arizona. Back in two thousand twelve she had a permanent. Frown feline dwarfism. And when a photo was supposed to have her on Reddit grumpy cat. The star was born struck a chord, Christina hung on brush, is associate professor at the university of the sciences, physical appearance. So defection of you know that we felt this only bonded, and I'm thinking that she was free to dress, a negative emotion that we are not usually free to share within a year. Grumpy cat had a. Book and was on the cover of New York magazine she had licensing deals royalties. Eventually a movie grumpy cat's fame came at a time when the internet was perhaps a little less saturated. Michael SoHo is a senior lecturer at the university of New Hampshire. I think there was a lot more positive excitement in almost getting us around social media. This thing that we could share. So who says it'd be harder for one specific meme to get that same level of recognition today? They're just a lot more healthier happening today online. And I think it's a little bit less novel, memes are also harder to monetize today. Nick become very, very fem real Kate McKean, vice president, at the Howard, more Heim literary agency, me and can last twenty four hours a week and a half, and that's the life of that. Neom. So by the time brand has geared up to profit off of a mean these days, the memes done back then memes stuck around longer. Plus grumpy cat was an actual cat who could make real appearances McCain says she straddled the line between name an influence or early on in. There's kind of taken faces that means used to monetize and have changed the game. Grumpy guts owners haven't said, how much wealth she brought in during or seven years, but after a lawsuit a coffee company that had used the cats image for marketing without permission had to award grumpy gets owners seven hundred and ten thousand dollars in New York. I'm super Benesch. Sure for marketplace. Consumers in this economy can be interesting. We are price sensitive, but brand loyal we like new options, but always come back to the familiar, and that love of what we know can really linger, consider the supermarket any wagmans devotees out there trader Joe's aficionados or from history. How about the AMP in the upper midwest as marketplace's, we're not a sago reports. People still pine thirty years on for chain called red owl. Right now read as in the color, and Al, as in the bird will start at by investors linked to general mills in nineteen twenty two back then it sold groceries dry, goods and call. It's original slogan was be wise. Burn red alcohol tiny, Stewart, Minnesota had those little store, but it had everything that's thirty four year old Jim Pesic of Stuart. We're standing outside the old rebel, the one he wants you. As a child. Oh, we could pop up here. Or did he had a comic book crack had always, you know, get comic books to, and some other local history? Buffs bought the old red owl building back in twenty thirteen four thousand dollars. They're raising money to turn part of it into a rebel museum. He's got a storage space down the street full of products. He's collected from old employee's in EBay cheer. It all Honey Graham crackers. Red old pudding red L coffee, riddle brand, pop stuff. We wanted to display in the museum and local businessman named William Sunday, open Stewart's read, Al franchise in nineteen thirty nine with a six hundred dollar loan and cash. She got from selling an old car. A pair of hit boots and a gun Stewart's, red owl, was one of more than four hundred that we're operating before the change shutdown stores position themselves as guardians of low cost food as you can hear in this radio spot from the bicentennial year of nineteen seventy six featuring, Johnny cash. Imitator. The red culture and play chin hayme. Everybody said it's too tough a pain L pope don't. That's right there rebels. Just begun. An Al stores feature distinctive logos. The final version was a bright red owl. Head with giant black is the stores made a Mark on Minnesota culture. The opening sequence to the classic Mary Tyler Moore TV show. There's all Mary, tossing some meat into our card at arou-. Looking a little unhappy with the price Minnesota filmmakers, Joel and Ethan Cohn included scenes of rebel in their work a couple of times, but I'll once dominated with more than fifty percent of the twin cities, grocery market. So they're still allot of people around work there in a suburb of Minneapolis. Former red Al cash years, produce, managers, I'm going to get together over lunch, at least once a month to reminisce. I met up with them at one of their out of. You were inbred Al shirts or hats. Some brought collectibles like old rebel coupon books and recipe cards, Carol Dunsmore worked at a red owl for fifteen years. She remembers all those show gatherings at least once a month. We'd go to a restaurant. We'd go to play. We go tour a museum or something like that. We went to places that most of us would never ever go to honor own, and it was so much fun back in Stewart. Minnesota Pethick says his group has raised about four grand to open its museum selling rebel, t shirts, mostly. They figure they need another twelve thousand dollars to fix up the building and bring their old red cow back to life. I'm not a Seiko marketplace. This final note on the way out today on the theory that some of you will be at a college graduation, this weekend or sometime soon, this is from glass door. A list of the highest paying entry level jobs for the class of two thousand nineteen data. Scientists get you a median annual base salary of ninety five thousand dollars. A software engineer is worth ninety thousand product managers are third at eighty nine grand. Gotta go to fourth on the list before you get to entry level investment banking, five thousand as a base. So there is that also an update to the final from yesterday, the change dot org petition to make HBO reshoot all of season, eight of game of thrones eight hundred seventy three thousand eight hundred and thirty seven people as of this writing have now signed, it me. I'm still team, Sansei gotta tell you. Boiler the time we got to go let us just say on Wall Street today, down day down week, our theme music was composed by BJ Liederman. Marketplace's executive producer is not forgotten. Deborah Clark is the senior vice president and general manager I'm KAI resin have great weekend, everybody. We will see again on Monday. All right. This is APN.
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