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The Murder Trial of OJ Simpson - 25 Years Later

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The Murder Trial of OJ Simpson - 25 Years Later

"Dog Ricco Ricco. Welcome talk is Jericho. It's the pod Thunder and rock and roll and you know he has a Mr Friday. I'm I'm talking about rock and Roll Hall of fame guns and Roses Bass player Duff Geoghegan and his patented joke of the week. Good Circus defecating. I I was just starting to something You know if a guy got a fee in the sand the beach and what did he got. An zeile can't beauty. Not because teco beauty is in the eye of the beholder very much thought I got. She liked that one. That was pretty pretty funny Adopt never lets us down at least from being a consistent. He always sends in a joke and consistently summer fun. Some are not. I like that one of those pretty pretty funny so some not funny. We're going to examine one of the most intriguing murder trials in American history Tom the OJ Simpson murder trial because over twenty five five years later we still don't really know what happened to OJ's ex wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend boyfriend lover. Who knows Ron Goldman? We do know is that both were brutally early murdered the night of June Twelfth Nineteen Ninety four in the Kohl's home in Brentwood California. OJ Simpson was arrested. A few days later charged with both murders and after a high profile a controversial trial that lasted almost ten months. He was acquitted of both Both killings there was a ton of controversy surrounding the trial. And there's lots of theories about who really killed Nicole Khurana. Why my friend Tim Ngoni? Who's been following and researching the cased almost as it happened? I would say he's Jason Expert is here to talk about some of the details surrounding the crimes. Some of the alternate theories who did it and tell us why he's pretty convinced that. OJ really did not do it. So let's get going with my boy. Tim Ngoni Joanie and the very intriguing very mysterious to this day the OJ. Simpson's murder trial right now. Here on talk is Jericho all right. So this year is the twenty fifth anniversary of the Oj. Simpson trial which is it's been so the debated and discussed but almost kind of forgotten twenty five years later but a few years ago American crime story did a pretty good job with J. Case and My good friend Tim Him Manzoni's here not only kiss expert amongst many other things but didn't realize that you're also basically an Oj. Simpson trial expert obsessed with it since day. One since they WANNA. Why have no idea who's fan of him as a running back and everything and then you know just just because it was so crazy as it happened right you know? My last day of school senior year of high school was the Bronco Chase one of my best friends. His birthday is they June seventeenth. And I don't know it was fascinating and there's people that are younger than me were like why why. Why am I don't get it? You know like how big he was. You know like it was like if Derek jeter right or Taylor Swift's committed murders that forget how big O.. J. He could do no wrong. You know and even though he was you you know not the best husband in the world. No one knew because you didn't have the Internet then right so it was so well hidden and his he had a great publicist he was even going to court for it and no no one knew that he was you know he's looking for what you know. Beaten his wife he wants to go for for for Zeev of eighty nine how l. coms went there and he actually took off. And you know so warrants while I read the next day. He pled guilty plead no contest and pay seven hundred dollar fine because I was just reading so Nicole and OJ were married. Then they basically split up they got divorced ninety to ninety two and then got back together. They we're like dating. You know like trying you know. But they weren't together or were they together at the time of the murders They were trying to reconcile. But like you know someone. The theories are like she told him that day right. I want to do because there's a lot of of witnesses and reports of Nicole calling calling the cops and stuff so he's going to murder me or he's going to put it in their diary but then there's the diary was fake and this and that who knows this stuff but I think one one of the most important things is to remember just how big OJ Simpson was known as one of the greatest running running back. Yeah back he said and then and he ended in the niners. You see this day in eighteen. Seventy three what happened Sports illustrated out to cover with him on it breaking the rushing record he okay. They're so huge football ball star and then pretty naked gun pretty good actor too and there was actually saying that he was doing a pilot when when this murder Robin Frogman where he learned some stat people and right so he was kind of like you said everyone loved Oj Simpson. Everyone knows running running through the airport for the hurts marshals I always Newark New Jersey. Oh yeah yeah so so when when this happens like you mentioned i. It's funny because I had Jim or on. The Jim Crow was talking talking about the night of the legends wrestling texting. It was. It wasn't the end of the week before the the month before because we used to run monthly cry at the at the Knoxville. Recall Siham and the month before the legends. It was another big show that had really shitty house because nobody came because they're all at home watching the Dryer Arco patrol does. It was June seventeenth seventeenth. Yeah and I remember watching it to like everybody was ninety five million people. Watch this chase that that night when it was going on. I was at a friend's house last day of school. I'm swimming and you know my buddies like do gain here. OJ's Vernon up and down the free or whatever right. GotTa Ah God he really miles an hour and you know they pulled him over at first and two cops got out talk to AC. Cowan's his best friend who was driving. Hang in there like all right go no one. No one wanted to shoot at the tires because he was O.. J. Simpson didn't they also say he had a gun to head in the back of the car. You know yeah right. So let's talk the actual the night of the murder itself. What June twelve ninety four? June Sunday Brentwood eight seventy five. Now eight seventy nine South Bundy the story. Apparently you know that night. His daughter Sydney had a dance recital. Like around the block from their. OJ was living in Brentwood as well. His Estate Three Sixty Rockingham have and OJ went to the recital. Everybody says he was acting weird. Then there's a video that you could see online. I'm I'm sure everybody's seen it where they're packing up the cars and stuff at the recital. It was a fan from Oregon. took the video and you see. OJ hugging and kissing everyone and he was going coming to Chicago that night for a golf outing and he went home he. They're saying he was mad. He wasn't invited to the dinner. which was ATMA's Luna Luna in Brentwood on Santo Santo have and he went home and they had dinner and then after dinner right across the street Nicole took the kids with Another families child so three kids to Ben and Jerry's which is fresh brothers pizza and and and then they went home and then a little. While later her mother dropped her glasses out there nicole frequented Mezzaluna restaurant. And we'll get into my thoughts about Ms Luna and Ron Goldman. who was her friend and a waiter at the waiter got notification that they dropped and he's like all right I'll buy their you know and I'll just drop him off? He went home and change first and then went there so and so it was. It was golden dating Nicole. Some say yes some say no some say they were just you know like if not just in in the wrong place at the wrong time of either way was the wrong and like I said I'd give my opinion as Luna there. You know some say drugs dogs out there which crazy things six months before golden got killed the manager at a place Brett Kanter his head got cut off. You know. Wow so so so. Wh what's your point on that I'm just my I don't know we'll get into what my theory of what you're saying as Luna was very well known as being a drug yeah laugh it off or they might say right and another waiter got killed. I don't know his name Mike Neighbor my leg or something like that So so cool goes home and Goldman goes to drop off the glasses. And there's there's a gentleman ro Robert Heights. Stra who lived. You know a block away who was walking his dogs and he said he heard someone go. Hey Hey hey you know. Was it. Goldman Waldman walking in there saying it. was you know who who who could be but you know right so what actually happened though. So then you know hey get messed up by who did did it and my opinion is like before we get into the. Let's let's get this talk about the actual murderer so very violent Merisi and and tell us who did it or not. One person in my opinion did not do it tells what happened to the actual to people what happened in a coal happened on a cold day. I whoever did it hit her on the head. I with the knife you know. Because she's got a scar there and she's missing hair and then she fell. They say so as you can knock out and then they went and took care of Goldman man and he was pushed into a corner and yet nowhere to go so they took care of him and then they went finished a deed with Nicole. So you're saying they my opinion. No no one person could do that. And what exactly did they do Nicole. Then they slice their head where it was so bad like it. She was almost decapitated yet. So they called the Colombian on being necktie. Your hair and then US It's a calling card for them mess with us. Yeah so mm-hmm but the both of them are murdered. How are they discovered how the bodies discovered people kept hearing and again as people know? There's witnesses CEO. I walked by it and see nothing. There's people say you know like I walked by ten fifteen. I walked by ten forty all different times but bodies are discovered by another gentleman. Gentlemen I guess Sunday night. At ten o'clock it's time to walk your dog because everybody's walking their dog and bright and a guide dog there. Akita named Kato after Cato. Oh Kaelin they found on the Corner Darcy. which is like you know right there by Bundy? I don't know if you've ever been by there. But they found the dog and dog lead them to you know so everybody says dogs are smarter than humans. I truly believe that the dog lead them to there and the dog had blood on them so he walked through the blood. And Kinda I guess corker escaped but like not that they were gonNA kill the dog and lead them and the gentleman found the dog. And then you know then call the COPS I. Somebody ran across the street to and banged on the door. It was a little old lady eighty as she didn't answer because she was scared she thought it was an intruder so the cops came there first then they left and then they call the cops again while the couch relieving then they call them so so they discover discover the bodies and you mentioned that. OJ has to go to Chicago car whereas the set Nicole's Condo Asu from or okay so what's OJ doing it this time if he's not murdering these two people he's a few theories he's taking a nap. He's in the shower for he's you know waiting you know Because the Molineaux came to pick them up get them. He wasn't around he wasn't answering the door. Yeah Yeah and this is the ten o'clock at night. Yeah yeah his his limo driver out there I believe like ten thirty. They're supposed to pick him up like ten forty five so but he's not there he's not answering and then find all dark in this house then. Finally the lights come on your show shower. I was running late. And he's down there like two minutes later in your of course everybody knows. They saw two hundred pound black man running across the lawn. OJ The another thing is chipping golf balls shipping opals at tonight. Yeah 'cause he had to go get his Certain club out of His his car so he said he was. Chipping Golf Balls against whatever my theory is. OJ's a terrible liar. I think 'cause he again we'll get the might there and stuff because he doesn't want to say the wrong thing but he's too nervous like well. I mean when we when we get into your theory that we can go back through what's presented as people think I'm crazy but we don't think you're crazy here until Jericho that's why here and again you know people like you're crazy so obviously you've studied this and you know all the signs out there and it's just so you know I'm not I'm not into like you know like conspiracies Vera sees or You know serial killers. Yeah even like I know. People that are supposed to demand murders the Gotcha Gotcha criminal gist doesn't JFK thing. Even though it's interesting you know maybe because I lived it and you know I don't know and I might opinions everybody's choice so interested in it because there's more to it You know like the Manson murders people are into its case closed like even though everybody's like ninety five percent sure yeah or like did he was more to it like you said there's so much more to it's interesting murder weapon losy easy for real and even like the the scene of the crime. The BUNDY CONDO stands out from all the other kinds instinct loans. That you know it's just you. You know you go by there. Obviously you know go by once a week. I'm crazy but you actually have a instagram pitch. The OJ murder trial pays OJ Simpson and murder trial page with all underscores illegit underscore simpson underscore murder trial page. And you started this just out of boredom and you know I was posted on. OJ pictures on my regular instagram near. My friends are like dude enough. We're going to block you and then you know like you go by there no matter matter who did it you get this eerie feeling. People got messed up there. You know two people died there for sure we did but butchered Grazie like you get these Erie feeling. I up brought people here. They're like whoa like whether it's daytime or night. Yeah you know and and they just get this weird feeling you know. Let's get into your theory but what happened. That night would really happen before we we do. 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Give route a tried today head to your APP store and download the root insurance APP. Sign up in less than a minute and start your own test drive. That's route are ot download the APP today or visit join route dot com to learn more and see how much you could save. Not Available in. All States disclaimers may apply. See Join Route Dot com for details. So what's your theory. And what has so. I think again Nicole around this time. She was like living life and she uh-huh Jimmy when she was eighteen so it's kind of tied down from day. One never lived like the party girl lives. She started partying and she was hanging out. Faye resnick Faye resnick. made her named through this. and She's part of whole Kris Jenner crew and again. This is in fact this was my prediction. You know she was staying there and they were both heavily. Lean drugs cocaine at the time and they ran up a big tab with drug dealers and they call the Oj like a few months before that and he got him out of it and let them the money to get paid off the drug deal documented. Yeah Okay Yeah that's fact and so Apparently it happened again and he said no so Chris Sir Kris Jenner favourites nick staying with Nicole and two days before the murders. She checked into Rehab. Actually here on Culver City and You know my prediction. Is She got wind of it and she went to Rehab to hide. I think the drug dealers more than one went there to get her. You're favourites nick. And you know. I don't know details whether they rang rang. Me Gate and Nicole came out. Share the gate to the. You couldn't just knock on our door so I think you know whether they rang the gate gate bell or she was in the middle of the thing with Goldman already because the gate was open. Now and so You know they went and I think they were looking for resnick. It was dark. She's blonde you know they're not GonNa have a picture you know. The girl lives there. Whatever you know drug dealers killers? They're not gonna you know they'd racked act up so much debt. I heard it was fifty and a hundred grand and that that's instant murder for the I guess they weren't paying an I heard they called. OJ IN I. Nicole asked him and he said No. And then I then my this is part of my theory. This is in fact I think that they called. OJ either to scare him. And maybe you know to try to get the money out of them said we're going to do this and or they're either. We're going to go do this or we did this right and then it comes down to this OJ stories. Get a little shaky. You know his footprints their pardon me again. Part of me feels. He was there because he went to go. Check it out you know and so you think that we are we talking about Colombians ear. I guess yeah. Let's say for lock her neck. DOC The Colombian did this. It's not his first. Kill me because I was very like you said very barbaric and also to. They're saying that like discuss discuss the actual murders that the coal was from behind. Like you said Stab. All you mentioned with Goldman they said was one arm. Yeah they they standing behind the guy one arm front stabbing with the other hand another with that to a Goldman he was like a barbell. His hands were is black this microphone. OJ Had that you know the nick on his finger which will get to Oj. Wasn't to have a scar bruise on him so he the hands are blocked from punching bruce. You're saying you're saying it was multiple killers I think so yeah and you know so. OJ Didn't have a scratcher. Bratcher Scar on 'em Robert Shapiro. His lawyer hired actually the day before. OJ You know. Got The warrant issued to him told him you know He. Had you know photographer psychiatrists psychiatrist's come over you know analyze OJ. And he didn't have any scars routes. They took pictures of his inside his mouth his chest and he was perfectly clean but I think he was there. I partially think you know he might went there to check it out because somebody said we're going we're some of the well obviously. OJ'S WIFE I've heard to The Guy who runs TMZ Harvey Levin. Who you know He? He's obsessed with it too busy and he covered it yeah. He was just on a local news station in L. A. The time he thinks he's one hundred not guilty but he said his theory is that. OJ went there to slash your tires which he did in the past you know just because you know he knows she was partying just like you know to mess with her. He could've went there for that and then found things. Got Out of control of winter to slash Atari serve the drug dealers were there or the no never found them. Gosh laying there dead noticing too and I'm gonNA keep repeating myself. This is just my theory. You know like like what person is going to go there kills and leave your kids upstairs. You know to find your mother like that. Their heads are messed up forever. Now regard her mother. 'cause they're j knew there was going to be a Guest there to another child but that child wasn't there because around nine fifteen nine thirty or whatever the kid left Got Homesick or something you know and the father came and picked picked her up so so Goldman and Nicole are dead heard. The dog leads the person the cops. Yeah the body's. OJ's in Chicago instantly beliefs OJ lax and a few of the Guys that take your luggage the baggage and baggage handlers. They recognize him he was signing autographs. Hey just being you know the Happy Jovial Guy. Elliot's and they said he was fine and they said at that time he didn't have band AIDS or anything on his hand and you know he was late for the plane. He got out there like at eleven forty five and the plane and they held it for once. Again the social pre-nine I was just GonNa say that so you know they could call a head he he was. OJ Simpson carry checks ax. Yeah Yeah you would know that more than me but We used to show up to get a plane ten minutes before takeoff. Walk Right on. Yeah and so you know. They held it for him and the guy sitting next to him said he was fine. You know you know took a nap. Then there's people like Oh my God. He got up every ten minutes and went to the bathroom limo driver who took him and city parks. Okay okay there you go. Mr Parks said that he was hot and sweaty in the back man atop manatee so once again. It's it's such a full rising. It's a lot like our president. Either you you believe or you don't but there's so much on both sides. When when I had the day Jay Happen on their forget? My mother got Russell. She's like G. O.. J. Simpson last night. I'm like no. She's like his wife got killing me. Oh my God he's like I think he did it and she was laughing because it's was like no way right. And then you know once you know during most of all my yeah he did it. You know like you know there was pre Internet before he could study you know seventeen eighteen years old at the time and then so instantly think he was a suspect from his previous well. They've sold because of the assaults assaults and stuff and you know his alibi was crazy. Who's his Alabama just said? He was home. Chipping golf balls sleeping. You know he which didn't look Gotcha and then when they found you know the next day you know when he came home from Chicago his you know his hand a little on look like a hangnail they said you know she cut him with her her nail while she was defending yourself you know. He says he broke a glass in Chicago when he found out like you said his his story never matched I. Oh I think because he knows and you know and I think you might say oh. Hey why don't you just say this to you know. Release them so I think they might have said you say anything you know you and your kids than whoever next right so you know. It's possible that maybe because he had paid the fee the debt. I four that when the second time they probably said get a husband. She said he's not paying it. They went right to him and said here's what we're GONNA do. Were and you know I think you know or or they call them after you know. So here's what we did and if you anymore because you said he was actually there at some point because of the flight rent I kind of believe that. Yeah and then there's is that Jill shively she's the girl that says she saw OJ. You know. Hop The median. On going from Bundy Sandra Day. Back sanfer sense as a road like this Bundy's here you go across the Bundy continues right. And she says she saw him hop the curve. She was like the prosecution running or in the car. And it's in the Bronco Gotcha. And she said that and you know. She says she saw matt a perfectly time. That would make sense and the prosecution. Use her she on that show. That doesn't exist. No more hardcopy national enquirer I remember yeah. TV show. They gave her five grand so like they didn't use her she thought she was. You know the the defense would just murderer in court because because anybody that sold their story their their story was then thrown out of court because it just looked aid. Yeah so so they finally When Oji comes back from Chicago or the COPS waiting for his house okay sir? At his house at Rockingham in they cuffed him You know and his lawyer here at the time Harvey Weinstein was like no no no. RV Weinstein Harvey Weinstein Harvey My God not harvey original lawyer was not like the the Super Team of Shapiro. And Yeah What's the other guy's name John? F Lee Bailey. F Lee Bailey. He like that's a huge one Ashen Ashi and you know it just amazed check so so when when when they're at his house do they give give him like twenty four hours to turn themselves at his house and they come from his lawyer was like get these soft and they said you know you WanNa talk you know. Come down to the station and his lawyers. Don't do what he's like. Yeah and then and then his all right. Let's let's go and he didn't want us or you're in a room because he you know he he you know he's o j you know they loved them Um you know and then they saw the and kept changing his story in there you know the the actual interview is on Youtube. You can hear it on Youtube. Does he sound like someone who's like making stories. Stories often just sounds like tire drained. You know like his wife. 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With all the way and Seino so he was there and then he got caught Shapiro went there and said you know you got to turn yourself in and and they were supposed to like have a meeting downtown l.. A.'s Place called Parker Center which is actually in the process of getting demolished right now. And that's where he had his interview and he was supposed to meet their at eleven eleven and just he vanished in him NASC- you know like they didn't know he was gone for like two hours. You know like even the people in the house of controversy the Jazz Ashley told him to do it but he didn't you know so he laughed. And that's when the whole chase whole tastes and the first few hours. Nobody knew where he was. Because you know in the first place he went. It was the Nicole's grave. I don't think he was going to kill himself. I think he did it. You know aside notes. Yeah I think he did out of sympathy. You know you know you notice. The prosecution didn't use the Bronco Chase against them. 'cause the defense could be used sympathy card. Gotcha so how do the were they. Just driving around aimlessly. We will. Yeah I they went to the to the grave and then heading back from the grave degrade was like all the way in Dana Point which is like south from here in La. He they were heading. I'm back so I guess as they were heading back you know somebody saw them no cellphones and had the number of phones on the side of the road on the highway for emergencies can. Oh yeah right right and somebody called and was like yeah just as the White Bronco and then you know boom ninety five million people instead all the networks news Houston Rockets game was on the finals and they said they put that in a little picture. Little box yeah the little box. Yeah that wasn't even top priority. How did the how did the chase end? And they went back to Rockingham and the pulled in the driveway. And Soi and everything. And if you see As soon as he pulls into Driveway C. O.. Jason Jason Jason Simpson. Go Up to the Bronco which some people series as he did it right over that one. You know it's You know you don't buy that one. No I did for about ten minutes you yeah you know but like they said he did it because he was a chef in a restaurant. This place called Jackson's Beverly Hills and they originally were going to go there for dinner in the call ended up canceling and going to mess Luna and he said that he got so mad that he did that. You're going to kill you because you didn't come to my rush and and so he. OJ Eight. This I believe they said he waited till the sun went down and got dark so nobody can see him. You know surrender until the house called. His mother had some Oj some orange juice and then you know then he got car. Yeah and then the the the biggest trial and then so that was Friday so he actually had to. He probably thought he was getting out so so. So the judge you know for his bail hearing but he had to wait 'til Monday because it was the weekend and his bail hearing judge was like no. You're not going nowhere which you're not. You're probably not going to get bailed out on a murder charge anyway but like you know maybe you're Oj you know you can pay some huge thing but like after the Bronco Chase now. It's an Easing when he was found innocent and he still sat in jail for sixteen months. It's amazing though when you get people with big celebrity that when they finally take that celebrity liberty way. Paul McCartney was in jail and Japan for ten days because he tried to smuggle three pounds of marijuana. I never knew that. And he was Beatles. All the time and He asked for a Houston Guitar. And they're like no music but I'm Paul McGrath we don't care this. OJT was like. I'm going to get bail. No no bail for you. The trial is do you think it's the biggest trial in American history or one of them get. I mean because it went for ten months. Yeah January January of Ninety five to third ninety five. Why did it take so long tells about some of the players that you know the details going on you know Oh and you know there were people and again this is crazy to the whole trial is on youtube right because it was all I remember court plenty was the thing like so somebody put it on on their during like two hour increments and like some people understand for like ten days? You know it's like when you talk about and then just little evidence and then like as you watched the trial you know half after the vet their side barring talking to the judge you know just drag drag drag you know. It's amazing. I was reading the jurors were sequestered for one hundred one days and And they cut in three months question. You'll get paid those two hundred sixty seven days total. Oh my God yeah two hundred sixty seven days there were sequestered. Yeah because it's the only four. The original jurors made the whole thing is people were just losing their minds yet that and they were finding out like one one guy or one woman for instance she was on the jury and her husband hit her. So you know and she's like you know at one guy worked at Hurts and Oj did like assigning there. One day they found a picture of them So yeah some people are going crazy. There was one girl Tracy. Something her She became famous fifty minutes of fame because she was very pretty. She ended up on the cover of playboy stern. She's a Ger. Yeah Oh yeah so. She ended up on stern stern cover of playboy. So you know it's crazy but like a hundred sixty seven days they were there and you know people went. Oh my God. They only deliberated for four hours. They had all that time. And the thing is like you mentioned in everyday to. OJ Is in jail sixteen months. Yeah but there are also seeing too that there was a lot of race implications. Oh because of Mark Furman yeah tell us and be because the the Rodney King. La Race. I say they say this was revenge. One admitted it. She said Yeah. This was revenge it meaning. What like whether he did it or not? You know it was one of our people is you know. It's our turn Gotcha to get off. Yes yes and it's interesting the only twenty five years ago but It might as well one hundred years ago. The Way Society's changed back in those times right you know big Tracy Hampton was the yeah. Yeah and You you know the Jodi Arias case was big and the Casey Anthony. which was were those? Casey Anthony is a girl killed her baby and she got all Jodi Arias killed or boyfriend right and they were they were big. You know. But they're still talking about they're here and gone but again they weren't that this was in the city of La alone own. Just when you're talking about the the major players so you mentioned f Lee Bailey Dashing and Shapiro Everyone knows Johnny Cochran like a Dream Team. That's all team specifically a hero. You know he he got called by. OJ Hey which was a smart move and he. He didn't have one murder trial ever Shapiro. Wow I never did it. He you know he was basically like you know they call them to fix her. He was is Basically for celebrities you know. He helped chuck the Longoria. You know many others and you know got them plea deals. Wow so that's why they say o j you know brought him on brought him on and there's rumors say that he was actually trying to get him a deal and I was like no he didn't WanNa plea bargain. Yeah there's a great picture Here's the Motley crue unintended. Vince Neal Chris Jericho. Dennis Rodman Robert Shapiro in Middle Age magazine went to a concert. At the host of Blue's you'll house of Blues on sunset and for some reason Shapiro and Rodman were there and we've got a picture of the four of us. There's a Subaru knbr group for you. But he actually you know he was the number one guy and then it was his idea to call Cochran. You know to kind of bring the race card in the block black. Yeah and Jeffrey Toobin. Jeffrey Toobin wrote this book called OJ Simpson the ride of his life. That book was FX series. The people I said okay. Yeah yea so. He used to He went to Harvard and one of his teachers was Alan Dershowitz who is another lawyer. Okay okay okay. So Alan Dershowitz you know. told him you know about ferment. Hinted to him so there are no. He told him to go. See Shapiro to interviewing for the magazine. Shapiro's like You know just you see Google. Then he was like you know go do your research on This Guy Mark Furman and that's how the whole firm let's talk about more into New York. Is the research about him. What would you know that he was a racist cop cop he was racist? He sued the city of New York or Los Angeles for for the it was their faulty. Became racist when you say someone's races. How is that proven you know? He he He had like eighty seven demerits demerits against them eighty seven number two. They were doing a documentary about officers and I was in it. Yeah and the director of the documentary gets pulled out a forty eighty seven uses of the N. word that US over the F.. Lee Bailey you know you know. got a shot at him and you know he asked her if he ever said the N.. Word he said. No this is before they even knew the tapes exist like were we know. Something's up with this guy and then the tapes came like months later. So wh why are they trying to discredit his was he. The Guy was seen He. He went to the murder scene but he found the glove behind. OJ's behind Kato Kaylin Spangolo. So they say he planned it 'cause it was. OJ wearing a pair of was what were Orange Jackson. They say you know that the killer drop the glove at the murder scene at Bundy and one behind. OJ's house which had a guest house. That's Kato Kaylin with staying did have. OJ's blood on it. It had Yeah and Ron and Nicole's because they were saying that they took a blood sample uh-huh g. and some of it some of his missing theories they took some of that blood put it on the glove. Same thing in the Bronco like they're flooding the broncos OJ Nicole's and Ron's yes but like it looked like you know you spills your soda real quick. The amount of it wasn't that much or was he trying to start their bodies in the in the but like if he's dry God if it's on the steering wheel right is here there. You know it's just an excuse me it's another head-scratching right you know. And there's some like his console is here and his part of his palms on the other side of it is you know. It's certainly. Why would firm if he did his? OJ embarrass them how Oj firm and went to in one thousand nine hundred five went to oranges for another domestic violence thing in Nicole. It was like no no. It's okay it's okay. You sure you don't want to press charges. And you know firm affiliates embarrassed plus again. OJ's Furman had it out for them. Yes wow man just it is. It always heard that name but didn't really know the involvement and the glove behind Kato's bungalow. They when they found it was like seven hours later and it was still wet. You know I caught my my hand and I go in two minutes. My blood is right. So that was the whole controversy with the glove. Now because if you watch the people for j you know if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit steak. You know like side on you know for this room for that but like it's it's crazy. The prosecution this race shouldn't be brought in well that's like it's in the past but like they're bringing in. OJ's passive domestic violence to prove it. It's the same. Thank thank you know so that always like annoyed me. The both sides are just doing anything they can to get out. So when you're talking about the defense that's Marcia Clark Marcia Clark she she her and Bill Hodgman were running the defense and then he got sick on the show. They showed him passing out in in the courtroom. It happened but happened. Upstairs in. The office is funny because it also on the show remember when she started the the she was getting hammered for having frumpy hair. And all that stuff I I I remember that every time like you know like every half the focus was on. Oh my God it's Oj and have to focus on her oprah was talking talking about like who cares what she looks like the right. Yeah it was. It was pop culture like the Beatles or make such a great job of a plane that character play. Marsha Clark she was insane was talking. About how like sad. She felt that people are smoking part. You're what did you think of of of Jamais zing they got like eighty five percent right to you know. Obviously it's gotTa fabricate a little bit like it was great. Did they ever say they thought. Oh Gee did it or I don't know which I thought was great. Yeah they left. It open ended. Yes Sir you make the decision you know so yeah it was great and the characters like everyone is spot on Fred Goldman a Ross Shrimp as well. Let's talk about that. You mentioned Kris. Jenner was kind of running with the with the Faye resnick young people and obviously card Ashen is the lawyer. This is the the parents of this entire dynasty. Yeah I've ever even on the People Zo James Godfather no kidding wow and the whole khloe thing you know if you heard rumors of that is that they say. OJ's clubs dad really. Yeah never heard that. I haven't heard that. Yeah I actually think sound sound because you know. OJ In Chris. We're getting down. Yeah I like in the people vs legit when one point the kids are watching. TV and Crash she goes eight. Kids don't watch TV. It's not way to make a living. TV's not the only thing at the funeral. You Know Courtney Chloe of course you know twenty percent of that show is based on the Kardashians looks. Who is Robert Dash explain? Was He was a lawyer. But kinda like municipal lawyer like he got a traffic ticket or something something. He's horror family friend right and he did like investments for people are like closings on houses. You know some minor he was. OJ's best friend and they brought him on as a lawyer. You know so he couldn't talk. You know you know to privacy. Oh I see so. They couldn't interview and then there's another thing couldn't use them as a character witness correct interesting and then there's a video when OJ got home. He had a Louis Vuitton Louis Vuitton bag and And Kim Kardashian took it and like got rid of it and they say the murder close where they try to say he took the you know and again this is pre nine eleven. So it's possible. He took the murder weapon and the close to Chicago then came back then. Some say he got rid of him at the airport. Somebody saw him like one of the little garbage cans put in their. You know everyone's seeing you know elves in the sky. Yeah there's a guy said he was doing a Stakeout for another he was a private investigator sitting outside Bundy and he saw Jason and OJ leaving and he's just saying like three years ago but people just make stuff pointed out to be heard yet. Some say that Guy Google Glenn Roberts did it. You know who's Glenn Roberts. He was a A serial killers called the cazenove killer killed like seventy five people and he went on record. Yeah I killed her and few months before that they He was doing like painting work at her house. They say like Oj paid him to do it. So there's another theory is another theory. Some people believe Ashley. We're making a movie now. Then there's the previews on Youtube. It's called the murder of Nicole or something like that and the movie is based based on that theory. This is also interesting. The girl that plays Nicole is what is her name. 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Use the Promo Go GonNa get twenty five percent off anything on the site to go do it now Let's talk a little bit about Judge Ito. Because those things this became such I remember Jay. Jay Leno had the dance right just such a overblown pop culture event. Yeah you know he he He wanted the case he was like a A celebrity howdy loved celebrities. You know and I guess when you're a judge after sign a form armed you know. Any of these people are connecting. He said no and not him his wife and his wife was the not chief of police. She was high up in the LAPD in her. She was actually firms boss so she signed it and saw firmin's name and then when all this came out Peggy York is her name and and then she you know then eat almost got kicked off the case and then they almost had a mistrial so because this came out when on the firm tapes firms like that. And you know this lady. I can't stand waiting for Peggy. Da Da no like Whoa so like they had to make tapes for One Judge to here to let them in court and then Ito listen to them. Except with that part take it out so they almost got all thrown out so and she. They say she signed because she wanted Ito to defame to be famous. And be you know. You almost got basically Impeached yeah and he's the only one to this day which again I'd love to read it. He's the only one out of the whole crew. That never wrote a book. Didn't pass away now he's alive. Wow let's talk about a couple of highlights of the trial which parts of it stand eh for. You is kind of the biggest malls love and the glove glove. Doesn't they want him because I was on the show once again that people were so jay the verdict was do not not let him try on the glove. They want they suckered into that like again. You asked my opinion on it. I said it's like eighty five percents. F Lee Bailey. One hundred percent went up to them and said you you know some mouth to mouth. Oh D- Chris Darden. He whispered in his ear he basically said I dare you to let them try to love and he felt for well he said you got the balls of saying we got air holes at all. Johnny Cochran got the club because they were demonstrating and he tried it on so what happened when Oj went to try it on. And you know it didn't fit you. Know some people say like oh he could have got it on more than it up but like again yet whether he did it or not. And whether you're wearing those gloves or not like they had blood on them so they're gonNA shrink tried that out and said if you have dipped in blood it doesn't make pitch shrink up. Yeah you've heard that he also had latex clothes on oh not necessary ever you know the evidence more prince or whatever so wow you know and it was great you no Oj. I you know he's doing once he is not he's like waving his hands and stuff like ha ha ha look when he hand back just looks at them like you know you can look like f you he. He was quite cocky throughout the trial. Yeah definitely have that bravado. But then he was also smart like when they're showing images of the murders. He's like putting his head down he's tearing one enduringly Would he hold trial before the trial. I forget where there were. They had a little trial. BEF- Pulmonary Limited area and it was just Shapiro and Oj. A preliminary hearing was based on if they were if they were to one j one limited here and there would be no trial because they were trying to get like the glove thrown out the evidence confirming hopped. OJ's gate so he's trespassing 'cause he didn't have permission but they said you know like they're worried. There's more people get murdered. Because they found the blood bloodstains on a on handle the bronco well above it and so that's when they found the gloves so they were trying to get that all thrown out so at one point you know like they're mentioned in. OJ's tearing up and Shapiro Perry seeing moving up and he's blocking the camera so you can't see Oj's face you know really. Yeah these guys. Are they trained. Pros upon us now. was Marcia Clark. As as trained she was a killer. Do what's that they Marcia Clark was. She is good at her job as F. Lee and the other guys were that's good. I think it was too much for you. Know like you know those guys are assassins killers. Yeah Yeah Yeah you know like you know those guys doing this whole life. I I wonder if they would. They thought you know that one or two lawyers yeah the bike or did OJ. Tell him you know because you'd have to be completely open with if you're lawyers. We listen I did it okay. We'll get you off. That'd be that'd be hard to be and you know you gotTa tell them so they know what to say not to look for and all that stuff because because when you're talking with the glove the big catchphrase for what's the end like. This is such a huge. You know ten months ordeal they if glove fit if it doesn't fit you must acquit. which went all the way to Seinfeld? Jackie O Jackie was and they put on the Bra Swell in Michigan Seinfeld off all still Stan. The caddy made them. That's right that's right but that's what I mean. It became such a child. Who told you put the bomb on you? Even made it into into that kind of people were making jokes about. This must have been very hard to be one of the Goldmans Oldman's or one of the parents when the southeast becomes a joke about everything right yeah you know that you know agree on you know. It's you know you feel bad for him you know. So what As the trial winds down and you mentioned an Olympic. Four hours of deliberation. Yeah tight months of yeah like OJ's parents San Francisco. They were on their way home. So the turnaround Cochran on his way to Napa Valley right his wife yet turn around you know like he was crazy and when yeah when they said said they were in court and it was just OJ call. Douglas called Douglas was like Johnny's right. Hand man it was just OJ and him in there and Ito was like okay. We're GONNA come back tomorrow. You know for the verdict you know technically should have done it there but he waited. You know you know for security purposes you know riots and stuff you know he waited for you know for that and you know all the appropriate you know lawyers to be there as well So you can even dragged out another day you know You know so it was it eighteen years yes well well so was it. Unanimous twelve read rumors. There was one One person narrative thought guilty since she was whatever find. What's it has to be twelve? There's one thanks. I remember the funds. When he was a jury was the one guy that did the guy stole the purse they did? They went through and fout. That's fawns was right. Yeah so if one person said no then you then you have to start all over again. Yeah so what was the reaction of of the country when he announced crazy like white versus black racism. Racism there. Yeah you know and then you know. OJ You know like people say. Are you black. Career White is like I'm not black I'm OJ playing both sides and when he brought race in the prosecution was all mad like oh friends friends. You know they're all white he doesn't care about black people never gave back etc and just like on the show and it was true when when they went the jurors the lawyers all went to the murder scene and then. OJ's house and remember they decorated it. Look more African American. You know that was true stuff out of Cochran office they took all. OJ's pictures down. Like Bob Costas and so when reporters went there looked more African American not reporters that Jerry and and You know in the Marsh Clark was like this you know. What are you doing but then called? Douglas said he's like if if it was a Mexican. Jerry we would have some borough fan pain outside of just saying yeah so what was. OJ's Ajay's lifelike then after he finally gets out of jail after sixteen months but couldn't get a job getting hounded he's walking down the streets murderer murderer and that's another thing too like again. I mentioned unlike Bob Costas and like all these Michael's you know and they all just turned back on. We not want nothing to do it in you know crazy Kim Persona OJ. Try Calling Bob. Costas from the Bronco. He he called his house in Saint Louis and he can answer. OJ called NBC and Said Hey this is so j Simpson. I need to speak to them during the Knicks rockets game and they thought it was some random. Frank call costs. We're we're good friends and they were very close. Wow costs us. Went visit them in jail too and then that was last time we spoke to him sooner. OJ Any money at all left after the trial Yeah but no you know. It's like between three and six million. Yeah Defense Shapiro. Claimed James Stewart is still not paid yet. The his hero passed away. No Shapiro's I mentioned that to you. The bad luck lawyers Shapiro. He's alive but his son son overdosed on heroin Johnny Cochran died of a brain tumor. Legal Right. Robert Kardashian died of cancer. F Lee. Bailey disbarred the disbarred for doing some shady for client. His client was on trial and like he like hit money forum. Wow Yeah so the only ones that are like doing good. Nothing bad happened is is Barry. Sheck he'd runs that innocence project. It's like people out of jail that like you know like you're on trial for murder death row and he proves that you didn't 'cause you know DNA in a technology wasn't as big back then so is almost like a curse the curse you got this killer off you know and then that makes you think too you know right and then that's the question to. He's got well you know I. It's crazy the Karma crazy. What about the book If I find it you know that you know I was going to bring that up to Like that's crazy stupide. Did it. But you know he needed money. So what was the book about. It was in Audubon. Yeah it was about his life and then it gets to that night and it says how he hypothetically would have done it. It's ridiculous and he has a friend quote Unquote Charlie. They're very detailed. But back to that girl Jill shively the says she saw OJ hop that curb. Like I don't think that happened because he would have been going the wrong way. You know like the go-to OJ's house. He went up the Alley Alley. He would have had to go right to to go that way she saw him he would've went left to make an rick around. You know maybe he didn't. He was nervous. Who knows so in this book he wrote? If I murdered my wife I it was called but if I if I if I did it this isn't it. Yeah how is it even legal. He got off and I forget. Get the name of the company that published it but was judith. Regan who's a big publisher and she She did Stern's book so she's a big player. She got fired for. I read that I read that in good consciousness does yeah okay. You're you're obsessed. It's just very interesting you know I think it was a bad move. But they gave him like a five hundred K.. Advance right but then the rights to he lost Goldman because he the Goldmans because he owes thirty three million dollars cases sued by the Goldman considerable case. Nicole's real name Brown Brown so the browns and the Goldmans both families sued him and he ended up getting thirty three million and but they he's he's like a half a million because they cease his assets his house Rockingham. That's why O.. J. Move to Florida because like you can't touch people's money there but he still comfortably just twenty thirty five K.. A month for his pension from the NFL really. Yeah so while he was sitting in jail. That's racking up because he was so high profile is everybody. I think that's like everybody gets like your 401k. Or something fifty. Wow Twenty. Twenty Five K. A.. Must be a two to three hundred grand years right so what happened with with Oj. Because like you mentioned he he. He's in jail now. Says like they got him on the second time around. Well no he's out now. Oh so what tell that whole story though Vegas. Yeah so again again he he actually had a few minor cases before this but like again whether he did it or not you know. Here's the thing. Listen whether he did it or or not once they say not guilty. Yeah is done. Yeah but like the eyes of the public you know so. He wasn't welcome at restaurants his Rivera. Golf Club where he went. Played Golf like private club. You can go there so then. He had to go to like public places and I forget the guy's name but he worked for Stern. He was there everyday harassing Asking them questions. Otago's John No not stuttering John. Just some Gary Garber Gotcha and so. That's all on Youtube. It's hysterical. You know like they're just just harassing them. OJ's like we do like an Oj. said he's going to find the killers like I've vowed to find the killers stupid move and then like how's it. How's the the hunt coming? He's like well the you know. Yeah right and so He moved to Florida and then so they couldn't take any more money any and he. If he did like appearances and stuff he would put it in a you know in a bogus name and have it. Ciphered threw him through his shady lawyers and then in two thousand one he had a road rage case you know like some guy that cut him off and he got out of Carl you know. Put his finger them so he could have got like two years for that. They said when he got off and he got off. And then the whole Vegas thing you know which I think you know kind of another theory that this was a setup I think the Goldman set. Let him up. We'll tell us what's the Vegas where he you know. He lost a lot of his sports memorabilia. That was his and he had this shady agent. Mike Gilbert Hilbert which he's in those shady character when it first happened. OJ's hundred percent innocent. Now you watch that made in America the thing. ESPN today like he's like oh no. Oj told me he did it and then he says this is this is crazy he goes. Oj told me if she wouldn't if she wanted to answer the door when he knocked on the door she'd still be alive so OJ knocked on the door to gloves gloves on his hands. You know in you know. They never found the murder weapon. Never disclosed never found a sock in his bedroom which stats stats another thing. They found a sock in his bedroom. There's video I guess cops when they go to mercy and stuff they take video and it's dated and timed in the sock. Isn't there in two hours later. It's it's there and there's only blood on the outside of the stock not the inside so you know planted. You know this is Steven Avery. Case is so much. kind of circumstantial cop evidence. Yeah right so so a lot of his merge remember billions getting stolen I it's in in Storage stinks and Mike Mike Gilbert. He owed money to so apparently he took it. And then you know these Tom. Ratio and Bruce Bruce Vermonter like sports member. You guys they go to like talk shows and sell the stuff sell. Yeah like you know autographs and stuff so Tom Radio he he. He's involved in this he calls. OJ and says. Hey I know a guy. It's got your stuff he calls. The guy has a stone says hey I got a big buyer for you so you know and then you know. OJ calls a bunch goons instead of just going there with the cops you know he got it you know knocked on the door. Apparently one of them had a gun. You know there's audio of it. OJ goes. Don't let these guys out of here. You know associated trunk at the time. Og went to the place to buy. Four skaters stuff vegas the Palace Hotel. Wow was like show. Oh someone's room knows in a room hotels them so they call the cost. No they don't call it so he goes there. Take the stuff and you know basically he. He got arrested for stealing his own stuff. But then you know he gets thirty three years for you know you did that. You know you'd have probation for a year. Maybe a month in jail and he got thirty three years he goes the Goldmans thirty three million. Oh there's a conspiracy. Yeah so you think the Goldman said that I think yeah I think maybe even the judge without they hammered him thirty. And what's the charge. Theft Grand Larceny and the gun. The gun heat even have it and in the four guys that were with him turned on them they got probation so the guy got probation to hide the gun thirty three years but he said he's out now yeah he got out on. Here's another thing. Think got freed. October third ninety five for the murder he got put in jail October. Third Two thousand seven thirteen years today. Wow Oh wow in vegas and then wanted to get out. He got October first. Two thousand seventeen so he spent seven ten years in jail nine nine years in jail and then there. There's Tom Radio recording it. Like on a little tape player and it was on top of an armoire so as the cops for because I forgot something so they let them in there and he grabbed the tape and he sold sold the tape to TMZ Harvey for for one Hundred Fifty K.. She's so but on the tape. You hear the cops going. We're going to get this guy this time. Oh yeah you know like like yeah. Yeah what Ellie got wrong. We're going to get right so how how was able to get out. After only nine years two thousand thirteen he. He had a parole hearing which that's on Youtube too and he passed that so he got free to those charges but he's still had other ones. I guess we're more serious so then on July twenty two thousand seventeen. He had another pro hearing got off so I want to hear another weird thing about delight July twentieth. Two thousand seventeen. And we've discussed this. I'm watching mall psyched. And I'm like getting all psyched on pre-game because he goes to I love right boom. I get a call about chester. That's when he passed away right. Same Day crazy. I've been waiting for this day crazy day so as wind down here is what is. OJ You do doing now now. He's he's in Vegas living in one of his buddies. You know because he can't he can't leave. He can leave if he gets permission because he's on parole. I guess you gotTa Wait X.. Amount of time. And you know he's there and I think he is. Kids live in Florida. The Nicole's kids. He's got four kids. He actually had five his third kid. Aaron was it was two years old and and drowned swimming pool So he's there. He's he's kids are Nicole's kids are in Florida and Arnelle. His daughter is in Vegas with them and his other son. Jason is in Florida as well which is relationship with his kids. Apparently pretty good good. You know that's gotta be weird to like. He did it like you know and they don't talk at all which is smart you know that so. OJ Now doesn't really as golf every day. He doesn't know where to work and he's got twitter. which is a foolish move? I'm just waiting for them to say something stupid busy postal every day almost. But it's all about it just fantasy football and politics. It's interesting to think like in this day and age when surprised. Somebody hasn't hired hired him but like you mentioned like fantasy football or something like well is he that blackballed from lifestyle. That and he. He can't get he won't get the money you know and because the goal goes the Goldmans like say. NBC's like we want to hire you for our online fantasy thing they're not going to be do some shady. Because you know like we're not going to siphon to Tim Inc and then we get in trouble wake so and Fred Goldman he set. My mission is life is ruined his You know it's pretty much done. Yeah hold is OJ. Now Seventy two seventy one too much like a lesser version much lesser version Gorna forty three rows or like Chris Ben Wa all of his accomplishments on the field null and void now they still give him credit for his able to separate the two. Now he's still in the hall of fame his Gotcha. You know his heisman trophy still. USC His number is still bill. At you know hang in you know Buffalo Stadium. Whatever it's called which is crazy? I guess it's not retired. 'cause there's a new running back this either this year next year. I'm not a big UH. Not a bills fan is going to get. OJ's number he's getting it thirty to thirty two. So I I it's like you said maybe because he wasn't around It wasn't charged with the murder. That'll stands and I don't think you know even if he was charged. I don't think his accomplishments like he should be taken out of the hall of fame. You know he shouldn't. I shouldn't think so. It's tough but like Pete rose. Okay you were doing a major league. Baseball's time now he suffered enough but right now. Let's Ben while you can ever ever see one of his matches in Vivo. That's a whole different situation. Because there was no question that he did it. I still don't know for sure. Yeah so I guess last couple of questions one what do you think the legacy of of the OJ. Murder trial in the whole situation is definitely the biggest case. And it's so big like like I said. They changed addresses of his his old house. And the more it used to be eight. Seventy five southbound. Now eight seventy nine. Where the address for people people like me that want to drive by take pictures still? They're still they're still find it and they changed the look of it. Like like the look of Bundy it used to be You know this wide open white. You know metal gate you know like now. It's a wooden door. You know even change the neighbors you know you might be like first time. I went there in two thousand and four. You know still live in New Jersey. One of my best friends Cara. She was living out here at the time. And I got off the plane and I flew out here for weekend who would have thought to go see kiss and went picked her up and we had like four hours to sightsee before the show. She's like all right. Where do you WANNA go? I WANNA go immersing to this day. She's like Oh my God I remember because you know faded away for a little tot now again because of the shows he's out but like she went there on my sure this is it because it looks so different for and you couldn't the Internet wasn't that big so you couldn't but then we went around to the back alley. Tobacco is still. It looks the same except the gate looks different than but and then OJ's properties pretty three sixty rockingham now. It's three eighty and it looks different kind of because he's advocate here on Rockingham and then around the corner on Ashford and and now it's just a big grass wall Kinda looks like Wrigley Field and there's two gates on Rockingham now and it's a totally different house because they knocked it down and many times if you've been to those places. Oh Oh my God wants a week when I was when I was I used to live right here in culver city and then I used to go there once a week because like all my friends like why do you keep going there. What what are you going to find like another clue interesting? Plus you know. I'm not the most athletic person but like you know there and it's cool place to walk you know it's part of American history And so Like I take pictures like dude you were there last week but like Oj's house when it got foreclosed he they. They knocked it down owner. That bought it was the guy who member Jerry's famous Deli Bunch from here he boarded and he knocked it down. He said I didn't knock it down because it was over Jay's just more easier a year and financial to knock it down and you know Last question for you kind of absolutist reform it who do you think did it. Just I think it was drug related you know Oh. I can't name their names. But like you know it was drug related you know and Okay and then if OJ did he didn't do by himself. You know I just just. Everybody thinks he snapped. Like you know I. I don't think so and that would be. Oh my God if I could sit down have an hour with him and you know Oj. I would say. Did you do it and he happened to say yes I'd say. Was it premeditated right you know about this ah OJ open Invite to join me and Tim here and make it talk is Oj or and if you wanna tell us the real situation let us know only only because it seems to me like you said he was there at some point he knows more than what he's leading exactly and I think you know then and again. We mentioned this before briefly. Some say his son didn't and serious his son called him and said Oh my God doing he went there. Check it out and and he was covering for a son like a loyal father. Wonder if we'll ever if we'll ever know who knows you know like again kind of an idiot am I the murder weapon close. What show You know like it's. It's one of the most intriguing cases in American history man and like I said twenty five years later and we still don't know.

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Heisman Heist: How O.J. Simpson's Trophies Were Lost, Stolen, and Found

ESPN Daily

25:23 min | 8 months ago

Heisman Heist: How O.J. Simpson's Trophies Were Lost, Stolen, and Found

"Back in the spring of Twenty nineteen I walked into Heritage Hall at USC for the first time It is a stunning place. It is an impressive place. There's the Rose Bowl trophies and there the jerseys of the all Americans and then there are six heisman trophies Ryan McGee is a senior writer at ESPN and I immediately walked to the second one in that line which is the nineteen sixty eight OJ. Simpson heisman trophy. Notice immediately is that it looks a little warn and head is shiner than the others. And it's because no one can resist reaching out and touching it as a kid of a certain age. I would have been obsessed szeswith anyway because I had his post role but then as an American of certain age. I'm obsessed with it for all the wrong reasons as well and what I found in the months since then is that the history behind that trophy and another. OJ Simpson Heisman. Trophy is is darker in Weird Irs. And you could possibly match breath at the dawn of OJ Simpson's clear. He won the heisman. Ward and two of the heisman statues came with it but during his trial for murder both statues went missing today the heisman heist that took years to solve crimes. It's Thursday December twelfth this is espn daily presented by indeed so Ryan it's December nine hundred sixty eight. OJ Simpson has just won the heisman. who was there and what happened so? OJ Simpson is in New York with his mother and he accepts his trophy. I'm delighted to present to you. This thirty afford heisman trophy symbolic of your achievement is the outstanding collegiate football player in the country. Congratulations and he's holding this trophy in his hands that that immediately becomes the most important possession of OJ. Simpson's life the heisman. Trophy been around for several decades gates at that point but in nineteen sixty six spurrier won the heisman of Florida and immediately gave it to the universe because he didn't believe it was fair he and his family were the only ones to enjoy it after that. The downtown Athletic Club and then eventually the heisman. Trust at art will do too. We'll give one to the university despite the so there's two trophies. OJ gets one in New York will call that though Jay's heisman and then one is delivered to USC we'll call that one USC's Heisman okay. What do they do with theirs? They put theirs on display in Heritage Hall and heritage. Tall is the headquarters for not just football but all of USC Athletics. They've put that on display and it stayed on display for the next couple of the decades and what about Oj's Oj took his home and then in nineteen seventy seven. He moved into you a home that we all know very well now which He simply called at Rockingham. I was on Rockingham Avenue in Los Angeles. Beautiful House enveloped in gardens and the centerpiece of that House on the inside was the Heisman Trophy and the USC Jersey that he wore in his last game with USC OJ. Love to have the kind of the shock and all of being able to walk people in his house. Hey how's it going nice to meet you. Would you like to see my heisman. That's how he started business deals. That's how he made friendships. Italian press women. It was right there in the trophy case the centerpiece of this amazing house in southern California so for years. That's just where they were you had. US's Heisman on campus you had OJ's Heisman at his house. There were only about fifteen a mile apart and then on June Twelfth Nineteen ninety-four as we know everything changed the body of thirty four year old Nicole Brown Simpson ex-wife. Life of whole j Simpson was found after midnight on the sidewalk outside or West Los Angeles next to what the body of an unidentified twenty six year old man. Both that apparently been Stan Simpson told releasing so five days after the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. There there is the now infamous Bronco Chase. The cars heading toward the vehicle is registered to AL calling former teammate close friend of Oj. Simpson's Dems. Who has been a fugitive from justice now? Almost twelve hours crowd growing on every Overpass that we see people. Uh well as everyone remembers every overpass decide of every highway in anywhere are that people thought. OJ might go. Just people were just crowded they're just lined up and so the LAPD wisely went to heritage all at USC and said you might want to get this trophy this heisman trophy and whatever other OJ Simpson artifacts are here. You need to get these out of this lobby and so there was one one graduate assistant coach. Who was in the office that night? It was a Friday evening in the mill summer and he grabbed those out of the case and stuck them in football office office. So come Monday. The Bronco Chases over. OJ is now been arrested and everybody. USC believes Okay the crowds have died down. We can put these items the Heisman in Jersey back in this plexiglass case inherited tall lobby. So that's where they put it and and eight days later early in the Morning Custodian Heritage Hall came into work and he noticed that one of the heisman trophy cases was empty fifty. OJ's Jersey and nineteen sixty eight heisman trophy and the plaque that was there was gone given everything that was happening around. OJ At the time. Was this a huge story. No it was not. It was own campus but it really wasn't outside of Los Angeles because obviously everyone in the world this this point just a few miles up the road in downtown. They were so focused on what was happening in every single moment in every single development right or wrong in the Simpson murder case noticed and that was good news for one man in particular his at Louis. Eugene starks junior who is Louis. Ut starts junior back then. He's The guy in his mid thirties from Los Angeles south central the been out of jail on various charges and drug charges and just a few miles away just a few minutes away from the USC campus. He was looking right at the stolen. OJ Simpson USC version of the HEISMAN. He claims that he was not involved in the actual theft. that it was a friend of his and he's never given that friend's name up and the store that he is told his that the friend had on the Jersey the the Game Wore number thirty two jersey from USC with walking around the House and entertaining friends and kept the heisman buried in his backyard and when he was up feeling particularly bragging can you take his brands including Louis stocks to see this heisman buried in the backyard. What does he do with the trophy? Well eventually according to Luis. He purchased the Heisman for six hundred dollars and an old used car so now he takes this heisman trophy and he's thinking and this is just a few months according to him after it was initially stolen. He's thinking he's GonNa make some money and this is a very common tale when it comes to people stealing art to people stealing anything that has this great value the sentimental value to society. They think they're going to cash in but unfortunately there aren't a lot of bond villains villains out there. They're just willing to fork over cash to purchase these things. He couldn't find a buyer and as a result he just kinda slept this thing. Around for years it was in closets It was in apartments of girlfriends. What is his mother's garage at one point? He had a stretch where he was homeless. And he says that he hauled that forty pound trophy around and slept with it on the streets. And so Louis starks. Junior had himself heisman trophy and did not know what to do with as zone happening after the USC. Let's see heisman has been stolen. What's going on with? OJ's Heisman is it. Still in his house in Brentwood it is. OJ Simpson left the courthouse last night. Betraying no motion branded a killer despite having been found not guilty of the murders just sixteen months months ago the anguish families of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. This was justice so. OJ Is found not guilty in the criminal trial but then in March of nineteen ninety-seven. He is convicted in the civil suit. And there are damages to be paid thirty three point. Five million dollars worth. Yeah Yeah it's so much money and as a result I mean everything that he owns is going to have to be salt it will be collected by the LAPD it will be auctioned auctioned off. It's up to the plaintiffs. The Goldman family and Nicole Brown Simpson's family to decide what they're going to do with this collection of a man's life and and the highlight of that obviously is his heisman. Trophy the question immediately becomes not even how much J Simpson worth is. How much is that heisman? Trophy War our family is grateful for a verdict of responsibility. which is all we ever wanted? We all remember Burger and to this day. Fred Goldman is always so vocal about the fact that he's always looking over. OJ Simpson shoulder and he's always going to make his life. Miserable fact during the trial from ago was talk when I get that heisman. I'm GonNa Smash the Hammer I'm GonNa melt it down. It's what I'm GonNa do it on. Television and that heisman became the physical embodiment it of this battle. It wasn't just taken the money it was also taken. OJ Simpson's pride and certainly the highlights of that inventory. List is the heisman trophy. No problem is knowing you find. That one's missing too we'll be back in a moment Goodbye Twenty nineteen goodbye windows. Seven Dow's holiday. Sales are the perfect time to say. Hello to twenty twenty and a windows. Ten an upgrade save big under latest business computers powered by Intel core processors. Don't forget to shop servers storage and thousands of top brand electronics. Traffic's all with free shipping. Call a small business technology advisor to help you find the right tech- for your business needs at eight. Seven seven by Dell. That's eight seven seven and by Dell or visit Dell dot com slash business deals so during his depositions in civil trial. OJ floated the story that one day while he was out playing golf someone walked into Rockingham and took the heisman trophy. The trophy case. What we know now is that he had handed it over to an attorney friend of his not one of the attorneys that we know from the Dream Team one of his attorneys from the civil trial? Just a friend who happened to be an attorney and it was being held along with some other personal items in the condominium minium somewhere in southern California does law enforcement. have any idea that this is what's happened. They do. Not they call Nicole Brown Simpson's attorney Ernie John Q.. Kelly and they say we cannot find this heisman so he puts in a call to. OJ's attorney and says let's cut a deal. You know I can keep at this from getting into the hands of the Goldmans being smashed with a hammer or melted down or whatever Ron Goldman wants to do it. And we'll make sure it ends up in the hands of OJ's children that attorney says let me call Oj Oj. It just a few minutes later. He calls back and he said. OJ has a message. He says Mr Kelly has a better chance of winning the heisman. that he doesn't mean giving it to him till it happens next Mike Gilbert who coincidentally got his start as a memorabilia expert. He took a job in nineteen eighty nine as J. Simpson's marketing managers marketing agent Gilbert goes to Oj and says whereas this thing and Oj tells him and Mike. Gilbert retrieves it. From the attorney friend's house he has arranged changed to take it to the attorneys representing the plaintiffs. who were still owed all this money at the last second before he walks it into into this office he removes the nameplate he pulls the four nails out of it? It takes the name plate and he sticks it in his pocket and then he turned heisman trophy over and he he says that was a last act of defiance because second only to OJ maybe above OJ of the people who love this heisman trophy. More than anyone in the world was Mike Gilbert. So where does the trophy and up the trophy ends up on the auction block. We're thrilled offer two bidders and viewers spectacular entertainment memorabilia. Sale sale is a nineteen sixty eight heisman memorial trophy award. Initially it does not have the nameplate. Eventually Gilbert does turn that over and it goes up for auction in February of Nineteen Ninety nine and a man named Tom Friedman from Philadelphia purchased for two hundred fifty. Five thousand dollars. This this is kind of a dumb question but why well Tom Cruise mission is Philly as Philly could possibly be. He's a smart ass. He's Brash. He's funny and he I is this anonymous east coast bidder. In two days later he shows up in Hollywood at the auction house and holds a press conference and he does the Heisman pose and he. He says he feels like he's won. The heisman he compares it to the Liberty Bell of course because Philadelphia and he pulls a plaque out of his pocket and places it on the heisman and from a semi pro league that he played in as a younger man and his nickname when he played in the MVP of this team the juice right. I mean it's like one of those stories where you you don't expect the characters to get any more peculiar and then there you go so. OJ's Heisman goes to a new owner. Who still has it he has it? He said that day that he was going to show it to his friends and then he was going to lock it up and one day would sell it and hope that it had a big return only investment and as we speak today it is still in a bank safe somewhere outside of Philadelphia and as hard as I tried in his heart as everyone tries. Is he showing it to anybody. What is happening with the USC heisman there was hope for a while from USC? Did they might find the trophy and they might just find it in a dumpster own side of the road. Some Good Samaritan drops it off. That did not happen. There were no breaks breaks in the case in so. USC petitioned the downtown athletic call. They said we have to have something. And so the folks in New York set them replacement trophy. And that's what sat inherited tall for a couple of decades. So Lou starks reappears in two thousand fourteen. He's just come out of prison and he needs money and he once again tries to shop around this highs at one point over the years he actually. He offered up the Heisman to try and have a sentence reduced from a drug charge. The judge did not believe him will everywhere. He takes this heisman or tries to shop. This heisman no unbelievable. I mean he does have an even longer rap sheet now than he did when we started this story. So what does he do. He thinks I'll call USC and see if maybe there's like a reward or a finder's fee so he calls heritage tall or pretty sure. It was a student worker who answered the phone. It was certainly someone very young young and he says I have your missing Nineteen Sixty Eight O.. J. Simpson heisman trophy and the student. Worker looks over at the Heisman zone display just a few paces away and sees the trophy and the kids probably not even born yet right when the Bronco Chase takes place and he goes no. You're wrong I'm looking at it right here. Good bye and hangs up again again. So now Louis starks undeterred decides. He has to get this thing verified. He has to get authenticated he calls New York in calls tells the group that now. Oversees the heisman. Trophy the heisman. Trust and they say email some pictures and we'll see and he does. And they see it. And they authenticated did he says man I now got authentication. I'M GONNA call back to Ucla and let them know. No Man I have it. And meanwhile the heisman trust calls. USC and says is hey heads up guys probably calling he absolutely has your husband trophy. So what does USC USC calls the The Los Angeles Police Department the Los Angeles Police Department since them down the hallway to detective Don risk shortly shortly after the highest of the highs of nights ninety four the. LAPD started this art theft detail. Detective is the only member of this department apartment. He's recovered hundreds of millions of dollars of art. Picasso's Rothko does a three and a half million dollar cello. Walt Disney animation cells. This is what he does so he works with USC and he says let's Talk Lewis starks. Maybe he'll think that he's going to receive a reward sort and that's not what he received what happened. It was a sting operation. I ride down here too tall. Tim Tests Loan. Who's seven sports information director? USC forever. He's standing in the lobby of Heritage Hall and waiting on this criminal mastermind to show up with heisman trophy. The and meanwhile the one man art theft detail along with some other help from the lapd there waiting in the wings taxi pulls up up and this rough looking guy in his mid fifties with a rap sheet as long as his arm gets out with the Duffel bag and introduces himself to the folks. USC The DUFFEL bag and Lo and behold made it calms he has the plaque the wooden base and he has a bronze football player layer with the stiff arm. And then he gets farmed. Yes right on the spot and these guys had warned hand. They took him into a confrontation. Right there at Heritage Hall and they say to Stark's credit. He was an open book and and he stuck to his story about how he acquired the heisman. He would not give up the friend's name. That was the supposed thief. This goes on for several hours with enough enough information. They think to build a case the art theft department and Company leave and there stands Lewis starts with no reward and no more heisman has been trophy and he asked the good folks at USC if he could borrow a cash to get a taxi ride home after spending decades with the trophy that then he cannot unload was slept with it. Do you think is set to part ways with it. I believe he was relieved. You know it's funny because communicating when Tom Chris someone who who has. OJ's heisman and then communicating with starks and the people that were involved in his arrest. Everyone who's ever had this thing. It kind of feels relieved to not have any more. I'm not saying they're karst but I'm just saying that I don't believe I want to have one of OJ Simpson's Heismans and neither should you. It's almost like they never should have acquired them in the first place. Yeah it's weird right. It's really is I. I compared it. The Lord of the Rings you know everyone wants the precious but once they get it it drives them crazy and it almost kills them and then they're just trying to throw it into lobban album melt after everything learned about these trophies and via difficult journeys they've taken would you recommend buying them to anyone know and someone will and someone with a lot more disposable income than Ryan McGee or media calms. My friendly advice would be after spending months researching this I think there are better ways to spend a half million dollars plus if you do by just drop it on your head because it just seems like a gigantic headache for however long John Thanks. Thank you mean it calms coming up the Journeyman quarterback who's giving new meaning to the term player coach ooh ESPN daily. Tell the stories of the world's greatest teams James Coaches built championship teams with players uniquely qualified for their roles. That's why you need indeed for Your Business. Indeed provides tools like skills tests to help candidates. Show the perfect hire for you post a job at indeed dot com slash. ESPN daily and try skills tests for free that's indeed dot com slash. ESPN daily terms conditions. Exclusions apply. Here's another story. I want you to know Monday night when Eagles wide receiver. alshon Jeffery exited. The game with an injury team was down to just two wide receivers. The next in line we later learned and was forty year old. Backup quarterback Josh mccown. Josh didn't end up playing. He told reporters after the game that he was ready to go. Even though it had been thirteen eighteen years since he last caught a pass to passes actually from then lions quarterback John Canada. We had we had helmet ready to go equipment Gaza. They're all over. Had the Radio Radio List Helmuth. So that you can have green dots on the field of Tom so we were ready to roll and shoot. I'll go you know obviously is a quarterback. You know the offense now. I Adore this story. Not just because I'm a fan of any. NFL player older than me at this point. But because we count isn't just a backup quarterback in a backup. Backup backup the fact of wide receiver. He's also quarterbacks coach of a high school football team. Let me explain this summer after seventeen years in the NFL. NFL mccown announced that retiring and he'd be doing some analysts work at ESPN and while also coaching admires park high in Charlotte North Carolina Carolina. Then when the Eagles backup quarterbacks went down with injuries. In a pre season they came calling in the Coun- pull the Jay Z.. And unretired take with one caveat. The Eagles had to agree to let him continue coaching his kids both who play quarterback according to a story by. ESPN's Tim McManus. This Josh has been flying home twice a week on Mondays to help install his high school teams game plan then on Fridays. As soon as eagles practice practice wraps he would jump on a jet returned to Charlotte in time for every Myers Park game. My favorite detail in Tim's piece is but how the kids on the team were a little star struck at first I by their famous coach. What are the mentioned that when he was growing up he used to play account in Madden? Now count is on. His own sideline nine coaching quarterbacks. And maybe helping with the wide receivers to know. By the way is Myers Park. High School mustangs made the playoffs this year. And this has been E._S._P._N.. Daily I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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The OJ Simpson Verdict | 7

History of the 90s

47:24 min | 11 months ago

The OJ Simpson Verdict | 7

"The crimes jakartans simpson would you please stand and face the jury this is robertson superior record of california county of los angeles in the matter of the people of state of california versus orenthal james simpson case number be as zero nine seven two one one where were you on october third nineteen ninety-five does that date ring a bell no well what if i told you it's when OJ OJ simpson was found not guilty of the murders of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman take a minute think back we the jury in the above left entitled action find the defendant or job orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section one eighty seven a a felony upon onto coal brown simpson a human being as charged in count one of the information do you remember that day now we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section one eighty seven a a felony upon ronald goldman a human being as charged in count two the information i can tell you where i was i was in los angeles sent there the night before by news director in toronto to cover one of the the most anticipated verdicts in history i'm catholic in zora and this is the history of the nineties a podcast about a decade that changed the world on this episode were digging deep into the archive of my previous podcast the history of nineteen ninety five to bring you the incredible title story of the OJ verdict the o. j. simpson trial captivated the world and the football hall of famer celebrity pitchman an actor stood accused of murdering his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and ron goldman their bodies had been found outside her condominium in the upscale los angeles neighborhood of brentwood their throats had been slashed rushed it's remembered as the trial of the century and for very good reason approximately one hundred million people around the world watched the court proceedings which lasted nine months and included over one hundred witnesses and nearly a thousand exhibits according to an article in entertainment weekly in nineteen ninety-five the world had followed every turn of the case so closely that the trial would permanently changed the news cycle and media patterns americans had never been so consumed by a single news story viewers viewers were switching from scripted television dramas and soap operas to watch months of trial developments the trial created some of the most intense early demand for the current twenty four hour news cycle and it's so the seeds for the reality television boom to follow it was a trial filled with iconic moments like the testimony of OJ's house guest kato kaelin and the moment when OJ simpson tried on that bloody leather glove found on the scene this led to simpson's defense lawyer johnnie cochran saying the infamous line if it doesn't fit you must acquit considering the duration and magnitude of this trial everyone was caught off guard when the jury came back after only four hours of of deliberating and announced they had reached a verdict how could a case with that much at stake be resolved so quickly most had anticipated dissipated the jury would take between two to four weeks to reach a verdict the trial had involved more than forty five thousand pages of transcripts not to mention the very eric complex and confusing DNA evidence taken from blood found at the murder scene in simpson's bronco and on the walkway to simpson's house the the verdict had come down so fast that prosecutor marcia clark and defense lawyer johnnie cochran weren't even in the courthouse to allow everyone time to get back to court judge lance ito ruled the verdict would not be opened until the next morning at ten o'clock pacific time that batmans everyone had a chance to get ready and reporters like myself scrambled to book last minute flights to LA according to a time magazine article oakland nineteen ninety-five planes crammed with journalists departed from across the country all headed to LAX one time correspondent named occurs the OJ express by the next morning you could feel the strong police presence gathered outside the LA lake county courthouse were crowd was forming to wait for the verdict and around the country millions tuned into their televisions to watch the verdict read live if you weren't born in nineteen ninety-five or you're too young to remember it's kind of hard to grasp what a big deal this was but some of the numbers numbers from that day might help you understand the estimates are a bit scattered but according to a two thousand fourteen article in business insider somewhere between ninety ninety five million and one hundred fifty million people watched the verdict lie that seventy five percent of all adults in the US were watching long distance calls were down fifty eight percent during that half our electric consumption surged as americans use their TV's and if you you can believe it water usage decreased because people didn't go to the bathroom during the half hour of the live coverage trading volume dropped forty one percent on the new york stock exchange government meetings around the country were delayed and press conferences were postponed president bill clinton left the the oval office to watch the verdict his staff and supreme court justices hearing a case that day arrange to have notes passed to them so they could know what the verdict was as soon as it came down the nationally televised and racially charged trial had captivated the world and now everyone was waiting to see what would happen next los angeles police had initiated their emergency procedures as a precaution against possible rioting being the city and the entire nation was on edge because of what happened a few years earlier after the verdict in the rodney king case before we go any further i wanna tell you about another podcast you're gonna love grownups read things they wrote as kids is pretty much exactly exactly what it sounds like courageous adults share their good bad and sometimes awkward parts of growing up it's recorded live on stage stage in front of a room full of strangers you'll hear embarrassing diary entries angsty teenage poetry and some pretty weird short stories it's really like going on an emotional roller coaster a lot of it is really really funny some of it is sad too but all of it is very real it's an opportunity to reminisce and think about who you were when you were a kid stick around after the credits for a taste of dan meissner's grownups re things take us kids i'm advised that there is someone from the secretary of state's office on way over to accept this lack of nation state emergence of a state of emergency for los angeles city in los angeles county and and it is our purpose here at the state government level to restore law and order and to minimize the danger to the residents of the area this is as a matter that needs to be settled in the courts and not in the streets thank you in nineteen ninety two four l. a. police officers were acquitted in connection with the vicious beating and arrest of rodney king after a traffic stop king who was block was tasers hit with batons tackled to the ground and handcuffed four white police officers continued to be king while he was on the ground he he was hit over fifty times with a baton and received eleven fractures over twenty other police officers stood and watched as has the beating took place we know this because the beating was videotaped by a local resident using a camcorder remember this was long before smartphones and nothing like this had ever been seen by the public before the four officers were charged with using excessive force a year later on april twenty nine nine hundred ninety two a mostly white jury consisting twelve residents from the distant suburbs of ventura the county acquitted the four officers the rodney king beating came following years of racial and economic inequality in the city on top of heavy tension between the black community and the LAPD which is famously captured by rap group n w as nineteen eighty-eight hit fox fuck the police so when the not guilty verdict came down it's like los angeles blew a gasket within hours of the verdict fury over the acquittal spilled into the streets resulting in five days of rioting in los angeles according to an NPR retrospective respective in two thousand seventeen residents set fires looted and destroyed liquor stores grocery stores retail shops and fast food restaurants light-skinned motorists both white and latino were targeted some were pulled out of their cars and beaten you might remember the helicopter after footage from above the intersection of florence and normandy in south central LA the epicenter of the riot reginald denny a white truck truckdriver was pulled from his truck and beaten he was attacked with a tire iron a fire extinguisher and brick four people emerged from from the crowd to rescue him and drove him and his eighteen wheeler to safety the whole thing was captured on videotape and shortly after the governor of california declared a state of emergency and called eleven hundred marines six hundred army soldiers and sixty five hundred national guard troops to patrol the streets from april thirtieth to may fourth dusk-to-dawn curfews were enforced in the city and county of los angeles until the riots were finally extinguished by the time it was all over fifty people had died and over two thousand were injured throughout los angeles county damages were estimated at over one billion dollars and thousands of buildings were damaged or destroyed so this was on everyone's mind when a verdict was reached in the OJ simpson case if he was found guilty what would happen in LA would there be another another riot defense lawyer johnnie cochran had stoked the racial tension throughout the trial by suggesting to the jury that simpson was framed by white white police detective mark furman and there was a racist conspiracy within the police department in his closing arguments cochrane called furman a genocidal genocidal racist and compared him to adolf hitler prosecutors ridiculed the police conspiracy theory and in his closing argument christopher darden who is black told the jury the defendants fame and race should not affect the way justice handed out emotions nations were high inside the packed courtroom and around the nation as the verdicts were read by the court clerk OJ simpson flanked by his lawyers faced the jury after the clerk read the words not guilty in the death of nicole brown simpson o j looked stunned momentarily then he smiled a slow oh uncertain smile as johnny cochran slapped him on the back then OJ let out a deep breath when the clerk read not not guilty in the death of ron goldman loud crying could be heard in the courtroom and the camera panned to the people in the crowd ron goldman sister mr was bent over sobbing her father was rubbing her back in interviews since the verdict including one this year with howard stern kim goldman has said when she looked up johnny cochran looked at her and mouths the word gotcha OJ was also seen mouthing the words thank you to the jury number one as to count one is this your verdict number two s to count one is this your verdict juror number three s account one is this your verdict juror number four as to count one verdict juror number five s to count one is this your verdict juror number six s to count one as the juror was pulled by the court clerk to confirm the verdict the camera pan to the prosecution table marcia marcia clark and christopher darden sat stone-faced and disbelief the whole time kim goldman could be heard sobbing in the background ron stepmother potty goldman dropped to her knees his father fred goldman shut his eyes and then seemed to draw back as if he were punched or his heart stopped the relatives of nicole brown simpson including her mother and her sister stared blankly at the jury as tears or stream down their faces OJ's family wiped away tears of joy as did OJ's lawyer and friend robert kardashian the father of the famous kardashians were so busy keeping up with today outside the courthouse more than a thousand people filled the streets and sidewalks walks they listened to the verdicts on portable radios and they cheered wildly when they heard the words not guilty i was outside the courthouse to it was hot and smoggy and i could see a dozen or so helicopters hovering over the area i was in the thick of it it was mayhem but but not the kind of mayhem that people feared it was a joyous celebration there would be riots police were on foot shoulder to shoulder making a wall between the people and the doors to the courthouse other officers were on horseback and snipers were perched on nearby buildings watching the crowd from above despite the heavy v police presence it's still kind of felt like a victory party most of the people i talked to thought justice had been served we're celebrating people victory that's why we're i'm here same reason i'll be at work right now but i will be into over boston on the old police out here to like you know it's good for the people to be keep an eye on them you never know what can dirty brutality in justice served been fighting for so long need back from day one we know he was innocent happened take down here tonight i wanted to taste victory that just wanted to pay according to opinion polls taken throughout the trial while an overwhelming majority of blocks in the US believed the famous footballer and actor was an innocent man victimized by whites and an equally significant proportion of white americans believe that simpson had in fact murdered his ex wife and ron goldman the OJ trial l. had been a stark reminder of racial divisions in the US so whether OJ was found guilty or innocent it would have meant huge segments of the country we're going to feel betrayed by the verdict someone had to lose outside the courthouse some of those who were unhappy with the verdict weren't shy about sharing their opinions a guy wearing a t shirt that read OJ is guilty wandered into the crowd and argued about the jury's decision he's he's a murderer he's guilty he raced didn't say shit more it is not a good man that's not right what he said what i attribute that from the start you could you believe anything that they takes kilter you know moving it had been done it's not it's not innocent but even baby when i didn't want rice that resentment boiled over when police finally announced that OJ had left the building it has been released today is here have gone the office in the whole time i was in the crowd i was filing reports back to my radio news station in toronto talking live on the air with talk show hosts there has been no other than the police talking to the public and a couple of times in the police did talk to the public buck people shouted angrily LAPD guilty LAPD guilty at one point the shift of officers that were manning sort of the the the street in this area last for their break in a new group came in and as they were leaving they were booed as they walked away mostly it has been people that support oh jay as i said there's this one guy walking around with a shirt on saying OJ guilty arguing with whoever will listen to them and i mentioned last hour how someone was arrested it turned out to people people were taken away and they were media they were to reporters or camera men fighting over a spot close to the door so turns out to not to the the public riding but maybe the media getting into a little bit of a skirmish in where i'm standing right now right across the street from the scaffoldings and all the lights and the cameras and i would say each reporter and camera probably has about a foot square foot to stand on it it's so crowded over there in this media compound and it's just the nonstop flights have been on the whole time people doing standups doing interviews with different people but yeah certainly a lineup of reporters down by the front of the courthouse as well i'm just lined up with cameramen and photographers and everybody seems to know everybody i guess they've been here for about eight months so i i understand they would there the radio and tv reported people are standing around around with boom boxes listening to the radio coverage here with their ears sorta glued to the radio listening to what's going on and just really excited people.. alert when they had this arrest if you want to go of somebody police came running from i'm not sure exactly where but they came running down the street a whole group of them and this is a police officer beside me right now telling me to get off the road so a better but they are ready if something happens they are here ready to look after it OJ was immediately released he he was put in a white van that transported him back to his estate on rockingham avenue in brentwood news helicopters followed simpson as he made his way home tom and the televised scene was an almost surreal reenactment of the low speed freeway chase that began the criminal trial saga simpson didn't speak to the media before he laughed but his son did during a news conference inside the courthouse OJ's older son from a first marriage jason read a statement from his dad i'm relieved that this part of the incredible nightmare that occurred on june twelfth nineteen ninety-four is over my first obligation is to my young children will be raised the way that nicole and i had always planned my second obligation is to my family into those friends who never wavered in their support but when things have settled a bit i will pursue as my primary goal in life the killer or killers who slaughtered nicole and mr goldman they are out there somewhere whatever it takes to identify them and bring them in i'll provide wide somehow i can only hope that someday despite every prejudicial thing that has been said about me publicly both in and out of the courtroom people will come to understand and believe that i would not could not and did not kill anyone father will have more to say in a later return motorists and pedestrians cheered and waved at simpson as the van made its way to brentwood when he got there simpson simpson embraced his close friend and former football teammate a c cowlings in the driveway of his estate the prosecution team also held a news conference conference a grim-faced los angeles DA gil garcetti said that his office would not reopen the case a made it clear that he believed a guilty guilty man had gone free garcetti said 'i stand in front of you we all stand in front of you with the belief that the evidence was there this was not in our opinion a close case and garcetti urged people watching and listening to the news coverage to remember what the trial it was all about remember why we're here we're here for ron and nicole and we're here for every other victim of violent crime our job is to seek justice this case was fought as a battle for victims of domestic violence we hope this verdict it does not discourage victims were out there throughout our communities throughout this country from seeking help when prosecutor marcia clark spoke she looked exhausted and her words were flat and emotionless was a dignified fight it showed great courage great integrity great moral strength and we have every reason to be proud of every single one of them and we are in two thousand sixteen interview on dateline clark said the not guilty verdict was physically painful she ultimately blamed herself for the outcome but also said the problem was the jury didn't want to believe and so at the end of the day you can't make someone believes something they don't wanna believe clerk also insisted that it was co prosecutor christopher darden decision to ask simpson to try on the glove during the trial and that she believed it was the wrong move at the time still clerk doesn't hold the decision against arden he said to me i'm sorry and i said that's okay if not lost the case for us we were never going to win anyway when darden spoke to the media on verdict day his pain was palpable he started off by saying we came here in search of justice it's up to you to judge if we ever found it then he said he wasn't bitter or angry and he started to thank his colleagues before emotion took over but also like to thank bill the lawyers on our prosecution team i am honored to have mid-sentence darden raised his hand and walked away from the mic into the arms of colleagues marcia clark tried to console him but darden's shook everyone off and he walked out of the room a year and a half later later he appeared on the oprah show and she asked him what he was thinking when you broke down at the news conference darden said he was thinking he didn't want to lie the NBA like mark furman and OJ simpson he didn't want to say he wasn't bitter or angry because that was a lie darden was angry read the trial turned into a mockery and a joke he called it pointless a waste of his life ron goldman's father fred goldman had more to say on verdict day he spoke openly and honestly from the heart last june thirteenth ninety four was the worst nightmare of my life this is the second will forever be proud out of my son goldman went on to say i deeply believe this country lost today justice was not served eventually the crowd outside the courthouse left without incident incident but many had a new destination in mind o. j.'s house in brentwood where he was gathered with family members for a champagne party party in the backyard of his lush state so i hopped in a cab and headed there too when i arrived in the posh brentwood neighborhood police were keeping the public four blocks away but the media was allowed to travel on foot right up to OJ's house i was nervous service but i showed my media badge and the police officers let me end with the rest of the network reporters cameramen photographers i had never seen seen anything like it helicopters hovered overhead and the media climbed on ladders to look over and through the shrubs that surrounded OJ's is property they were trying to get a peek at the party on the other side in canada this kind of media spectacle was not a thing canadian reporters were way too polite to invade someone's privacy so openly when a cameraman asked me if i wanted to use his ladder to take a peek i- timidly climb to the top and took a quick look before descending back to street level i felt somewhat out of my league here i was a bit starstruck too i looked at a TV reporter standing beside me and was pretty impressed by her beautiful hair and when she turned around i realized it was maria shriver who at the time was still married to arnold schwarzenegger on the other side of the shrubs we could see colorful balloons and robert shapiro was outside celebrating with simpson family members laughter and conversation could be heard but OJ was nowhere no where to be seen then the atmosphere changed dramatically police for some reason let the public come right up to OJ's property a group of people chanted guilty over and over shirley it was loud enough for the partygoers to here and some women carried placards that i said stop domestic violence despite the verdict they still thought OJ killed his ex wife and ron goldman and they were angry that people were partying and celebrating its here because i see everyone happy playing sax two people are dead bird and all the evidence points to him and then cochran does this big sermon thing everyone's going praise god joke i'm here to speak my opinion because everyone's OJ's like he's the good a guy that jews how could this guy commit these murders there's nobody knows the personalizes celebrities everyone has their weaknesses and their strengths and obviously you see as weakness let him to the murder but this young neighbor said people should leave OJ alone now feel that i mean he's been you know he's been he's been found not guilty and so we're now it's just a man living in a house now and he was football star but that is no the longer the case so just leave it alone it's over you know that's my opinion are you out of all these people are in your neighborhood no i'm not mad about it because i understand i mean we're an information society eighty and people are naturally curious and everybody wants attention like this man just it'd be nice if it would be understood that this is about justice justice not about a media circus you know yeah it'd be nice but i know that you know this is going to be continuing until the end of time i mean this is just human nature i guess and crimes crimes always will be committed so the masses will follow you know there were a lot of supporters in the crowd to win the jury they did anybody here who thinks you has a reasonable doubt opera said yes why would you hang around the talk about what you doubt is who can give her retirement whether the blood what whatever it was it costs reasonable doubt so that's why the juice is lose and i'm just as happy about you i think that the media while from the very beginning had a three position to take the public the j. simpson's an innocent question karalis how is what the dominance proved beyond a reasonable doubt that holiday for with guilty when f lee bailey drove his jaguar through through the crowd on the way into OJ's estate the crowd went wild johnny cochran also came out on the back deck and wave to the crowd which caused a lot of shouts and whistles he would always be remembered as the man who helped set OJ free possibly you with these memorable words you quick and that's all we did tell we quit it wasn't there have been no almost got to go look at that if it don't fit we all look to what it again after the trial cochran heatedly denied suggestions by reporters that race had transcended evidence during the trial he called suggestions that he had exploited the race card to win over the mostly black jury as preposterous cochran said we chose to call it the credibility card but fellow defense attorney robert shapiro disagreed he went on ABC the night of the verdict and said not only did we play the race card we dealt it from the bottom of the deck shapiro said he was deeply offended that cochran talkern had compared furman to adolf hitler he said he would never work with cochran again and would never talk to attorney f lee bailey the verdict was just a piece of the seemingly endless fascination with the infamous case the obsession would-be boyd for the next two decades thanks to a series of books published about the trial almost everyone tied to this case told their side of the story books were published by prosecutors marcia clark and christopher darden also pending their exposes were most of simpson's legal team which which included attorney robert shapiro johnny cochran and alan dershowitz if the legal teams weren't enough there was the book by four forewoman amanda cooley and fellow jurors carry best and marsha ruben jackson who told their story in their own words then there was the one in by detective mark furman or the one by nicole brown simpson's former best friend day resnick and of course there's the infamous if i did did it confessions of the killer a book that was allegedly pen by simpson detailing how he would have hypothetically committed the crime it was published i in two thousand and seven the goldman family successfully sued for the rights to the book the case was also covered in countless tv series he's and movies including the award winning tv series the people vs OJ simpson and the documentary OJ made in america which won the the academy award for best documentary feature at the eighty nine th academy awards in the summer of two thousand nineteen kim goldman the sister of ron goldman goldman launched a podcast called confronting OJ simpson goldman revisits the case by interviewing several witnesses and jurors as well well as prosecutor marcia clark and others involved in the case as for what happened to the man at the center of it all OJ simpson while following following the acquittal of criminal charges ron goldman's family filed a civil lawsuit against simpson on february fifth nineteen ninety seven a civil jury in santa monica california unanimously found simpson liable for the wrongful death of and battery against goldman and battery against brown brown simpson was ordered to pay thirty three and a half million dollars in damages by the two thousands simpson had a myriad korea of other financial and legal troubles which included battery burglary and allegations of drug trafficking his troubles culminated aided in an arrest in two thousand and seven along with three other men simpson was charged with multiple felony counts including criminal conspiracy kidnapping pink assault robbery and using a deadly weapon he faced a possible life sentence with no parole on the kidnapping charge and mandatory prison in time for armed robbery on december fifth two thousand and eight simpson was sentenced to a total of thirty three years in prison with the possibility ability of parole after nine years he was released on october first point seventeen today the seventy one year old lives in las vegas and in june two thousand nineteen he joined twitter which according to a guardian article sparked outrage in his first video OJ i said he has a little getting even to do and he claimed that his twitter account would be used to set the record straight at last check doc had over eight hundred eighty thousand followers thanks for joining me on the incredible journey through the verdicts the trial of the century if you haven't already please make sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode and while you're there don't forget to rate and review us it it helps spread the word and get more people to find the podcast we're available for free at apple podcasts spotify google podcasts and everywhere else you get your streaming audio i hope you can also listen at curious cast dot CA be sure to check out the show notes for more information about what you heard today if you want to reach out to me you can find me on twitter at nineteen ninety s history on facebook and you can reach me by email at nineties at curious cast dot CA that's nine zero s at curious cast dossier this show is hosted and written by me kathy zora deal of alaska's is our producer her and sound design and final production is by rob johnston see you next time for more history of the nineties joining me now is dan meisner host of the amazing podcast grownups read things they wrote as kids hey dan i'm super excited for you to be here uh-huh copy thanks for having me i'm really glad that our listeners we're going to get a chance to hear a clip of your show because if you haven't heard this trust me you have to listen you will love it it gets you in all the fields it's exactly what the title suggests grownups reading some really hilarious thing sometimes sad and emotional and i'm telling you dan i'm usually smiling like goofball when i'm listening to this show so dan tell me what what's the clip we're gonna hear about it today yeah well this is my favorite kind of clip because it's a bit of an emotional roller coaster parts of it are really very funny and parts of it are a little touching and as you said lots of different feelings so we're going to hear a clip from a guy named chris and what you need to know to understand chris's reading is that when he was a kid chris's older brother colin left left home and traveled around europe for a couple of years and then many years later when chris was fourteen years old when he was a teenager his older brother are came back home and chris wrote about it in his journal please welcome chris to the grownups things they've aren't as kids stage the creek heads up christie's cuss word in his journal which we do not from nineteen eighty five deer journal i'm a new person he's back call in after almost two years arrived home from europe yesterday and did not tell anyone he broke into the house at five in the morning woke only only me and we walk to mcdonald's for breakfast he didn't go to his friend's house or anywhere else he came and got me it was amazing i missed him him so much and he seems even cooler now you won't believe this but even use the f. word in front of mom and dad and he sounds british when we got back from breakfast we walked in the house and he yelled really loud king a son get a decent cup of coffee my hi mom screamed and ran down the stairs yelling his name colin colon colon she was naked and she tried to hug him got is crazy enough but collins immediate reaction was y'all fuck put on some clothes the he walked away it was the funniest thing i've ever seen but i don't ever want to see it again anyway i am so happy calling his back he told me everything about his trip we sat at mcdonald's for over three hours side note they have free coffee refills and that'll be good for exams i feel like life is going to be okay again he talked to me like an adult i'll ask me questions about my life i cried because he was so nice to me he looked at me and said it's nice to be missed so much i could tell that he might cry too but instead he said you're the best little sister in the world we both laughed and i wait my tears and of course he didn't cry cry he named it never makes fun of me to hurt me but man you already started teasing me and i love it he told me about so many things falling in love doc tober fests smoking marijuana in spain side note he said he really likes this and i'm worried but that's for another day he even talk about sex x he showed me so many pictures of his trip and told me so many stories and then he said the absolutely most amazing thing that maybe when i'm eighteen or twenty he would go again with me how freaking amazing is that i don't care about religion or rules i want stories of being drunk and massive german beer tents and girls and girls who wanna talk to me just because i sound canadian i wanna get high with new friends in barcelona and rent rooms with strangers that i only met on a train just nice to see a bit of money i want to visit nude beaches all capitals all of these stories were so amazing i i don't know if i want to travel or europe or if i want to be just like him but i know this current life won't do get this he couldn't work when he arrived in london because they messed up his papers so he built a cart with wood and bicycle tires painted it with a union jack bought six hundred umbrellas and sold them to tourists all the sites sites for a four hundred percent markup he said that that it hadn't worked he would have had to come home after only a month he is a genius he jokingly said he hated sunny he days we laughed it was very ambitious and he just started out of nothing canada buying over three thousand umbrellas and gave the last little bit away to a friend because you've got us for his nonexistent permit and was shut down but by then he could work legally he is so cool and he has so many damn stamps on his passport report i won't worry more about his eurorail adventures tomorrow and the next few days he has so many stories today i'm the happiest person in the world my brother is back and i went from thinking yesterday that i do not fit in this world to now believing i can conquer it when we went to mcdonald's eyebrows heidegger being in time and we talked talked about all the way home he's the only person that talks philosophy with me side note i need to stop bringing books everywhere like a security blanket i didn't even open it call and ask me about debating baseball and my marks all in a way where i could tell proud of me and not checking up on me i replied debate i rock baseball i'm getting better in marks no problem he said to me kind of like you used to do whatever the fuck you want but do it well i feel like a geek with him he asked me to make aac sure i tell them when i have games and he'll make sure he comes to a couple and said he would definitely come to all my debate nobody comes to debates it's weird how one person can make you go from hating yourself and feeling like the biggest misfit to feeling like you're okay or even better than okay i told him how got jumped and beat up while he was gone and his answer was so simple don't worry you're only a couple years from nobody giving shit how tough anyone is he said that people are just behind me and they haven't realised yet that they're the sheep he actually called me enlightened him who seen half the world is the best day of my life we both laughed so much he told me that for my age i'm the smartest person he knows and that he forgot about how amazing i am me i cried a lot with him and when we snuck out the house were walking to mcdonald's and i cried and said i missed him so much and they heated my life in windsor sir with him gone he said the best thing ever he said i love you too i have the best big brother ever and he and i are going to change the world i'm going to be who i want point and i can't believe that i'm writing this but in the words of the greatest big brother in the whole world fuck off to anyone who gets in my way i'm going to go with him tomorrow moreover winnie shops for motorcycle PS he bought me the coolest sex pistols shirt and he gave me a sony walkman and not a cheap version and actual sony and tons tons of mix tapes he told me that when stuff's arise from england inboxes i can have anything he doesn't want anymore i love that he's back i'm not worried about high school anymore talk to you tomorrow wpro next week life is great the in my older brother call in died in one thousand nine hundred nine and i still really miss them and my clothes the mother is in the front door after the show i asked chris why he wanted to get on stage and share from his journal i i think i wanted to share my brother not really a journal entry it just wanted to reflect back on that time in honor of my brother and remember remember my brother and think of good times that it's coming up on twenty years since he pass can oddly enough today is his birthday and yeah it just mental ought to me to share his memory we did have a special bond i think part of it's just i h difference my brother was seven years older than me just live life to the fullest sea adventurer he skydive t- bungee jumped he scuba dive they just shared our time together and he was pretty phenomenal to me so special bond yeah i don't know how to explain that i can tell you it's probably the most influential relationship on my life to this point we will be forever i loved him i learned from him he mentored me he took me under his wing he took care of me when i was down and it was amazing i miss bill every day thanks for listening make sure to search for grownups read things they wrote us kids in 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Tuesday 6/11/19 - O.J. Simpson Hangs W/ Whitesoxdave

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Tuesday 6/11/19 - O.J. Simpson Hangs W/ Whitesoxdave

"All right Bank today is Tuesday, June eleventh Chicago dog. Walk guests. The Dave is Dave white sacs. Dave williams. Dave. How are you? Eddie. It is not quite a pleasure to be here today. Yeah. You're like it's like a Tuesday, dude. Get it together over shift. So do I look over? Yeah. You do your showered. I did shower I can feel them is I was up all night, yet to fuck gargoyles is I got the gargoyles is. So I cannot consume alcohol consecutive days on it. And I'm like happy you like went to the White Sox game. So then like, well, we've talked about this before I typically don't go out on Friday nights. That's my night. That's my Sabbath. Yeah. That's where I just sit and watch TV. And I'll, I'll order fried food and I'll just watch TV or movies or whatever until like one AM, and that's my perfect serenity is a night in on Friday night. But this weekend, I went to the art fair on Saturday, I went to the art, fair and Sunday. And then last night I went to the White Sox game. So I'm on three days. Or now I am dying. No, you can't say that anymore. Not can't do it. I'm dying. I'm literally dying. Yeah, you just can't do that anymore. What time are you out till? I went to turtles we didn't stay the whole game because they got their fucking dick stop. They lost twelve to one. So I left him. Probably seventh two turtles. And I was there until probably seven okay, but then it came back up north in one out a little more. Yeah. You're in rough shape. Sure in rough shape. So we'll try to hold try to cram this through as best as we can because you're a professional right there. I have a professional I'm professional blogger podcast and this is my duty my job, and I'm not gonna try to alienate anything by not performing my my job duties. So I wanna talk about a blog euro yesterday. Okay. What are we talking about conversations or something with OJ Simpson? I you, you have you met OJ Simpson. Like this is I didn't. I didn't meet him. I, I was in the same vicinity of. Okay. So someone your family member did something happened. Yeah. And it's a good story. You're you kind of briefly mentioned it. So I don't know if I wanted to block it or not, because it was one of those blogs, they'd either people think fucking hilarious as peeler be like what the fuck you readiness for on the website. So I ended up saying fuck it. I want to. Right it because we needed, you know, quotas and everything. But so when I was seventeen I think our seven sixteen or seventeen I could drive our member because I was driving down there. My family. And I got a big family. So is eight of us in my immediate family, my dad's sister, so my aunt and a cousin and then another family went to Florida Keys, and in the forty keys we were we stayed in Isla Morada, which is like it's like, eighty miles northeast of key West's. Okay. So it's not it's more towards Miami. Okay. And so we're standing Isla Morada. And they got this awesome, Tiki bar. That's like it's a massive massive Tiki bar, and it's like outdoors and everything. And this was I wanna say, so we probably got there and like a Sunday or whatever. And this is on a Wednesday. I wanna say so it's you've been a spring break into like yeah. You shooting steroids. Oh, yeah. And so my like day, three from what I've heard because I played baseball in college show. I never did spring break. But I heard threes like the day that everybody gets the most loaded and after that, like everyone's like slowly dying in their bodies. Are shutting down. Yeah. I mean, I guess there's I don't know. There's the first night is always, you know, super super fucking hard because everybody's ago. Yeah, I think it's slowly ever on falls off a cliff as the week goes on. Because while I it was like couple days into the trip and we went we did all the deep sea, fishing, and all that we went to, like Margarita villain, key west but anyway, so we're sitting at this Tiki bar, and I wanna say my dad started found him a most like nine AM and my dad's friend, I'm gonna call him. Tommy, my dad's for Thomas is real name on protecting him because he might be listening to this. He they start drinking at like ninety in by, like four or five in the afternoon. They are obliterated drunk and it wasn't a big deal like my mom was kind of annoyed at how drunk they were by. We're on vacations wasn't a big deal, right? Tiki bar like the kids are fucking around in the pool and everything, you know. And in the middle of the day, I want to say about five o'clock PM nobody could say their own name. They were so fucked up and bra Brown eyed girl by van Morrison was blasting at the Tiki bar and, and I didn't put this part in the blog. But now that I think about it, they had a fresh orange juice machine where they would literally pick oranges off the thing. So I, I was drinking orange orangey. I wasn't like I wasn't legally allowed to drink my dad, I wasn't drinking with them or anything. I was getting orange juices all damage to this. Fucking buzzed oranges I've ever had. It's like fresh off the tree squeeze and I had like probably ten glasses of it. And I shut my fucking brains out. So that's a little Angeleri story. But anyways, my dad's fucked up. Tommy's all fucked up and Brown more or Brown eyed girl by van Morrison his plane on the loudspeaker. And in walks OJ Simpson. And I said this in the block because he just had a interview come out with, like whoever was like detail on what he's doing day to day life. Now. He's like I'm playing golf every day. I'm living in Vegas. I am having the time my life was just Larry because he should be fucking riding prison somewhere, you know, and he was for nine years, because he after the whole cable incident. Was that what for he sold a bunch of his memorable this, right? That's right. Or something they got any try. He like broke into a guy's house with a gun and robbed at back. Let something like that. So it did nine years for that. But now he's having the time it was like golfing every day. He's like back and forth between Vegas and Florida yada, yada, yada. But this was before that. So this is prior to that conviction. Okay. So before like you just after the Nicole Brown. Yeah. And it was before his do, remember, like precisely will year like latest early too. Thousand was seventeen. So this would have been in, like two thousand five or six. Okay. Right about then. And it was like springtime and everything. And like he he walked into the bar and at the top of his lungs. He's like your my Brown eyed girl, and he was the happiest human I have ever seen in my entire life. So it's me, my mom. My dad, Tommy. There's probably a couple of cousins or whatever running around, like in the bar at the same time, and it's a big outdoor like the polls like ten feet away and everything. So it's not like we're in a bar is like fifteen sixteen year olds or whatever. And my dad like his is like is like, like per fucked. And so J Simpson. So, so Tommy gets up. And he is so Blida rated he walks up, and he just goes in shakes his hand, and he was probably twenty feet away from me. Osias like very, very nice in like very separate shook his hand back, and they talked for maybe twenty thirty seconds. And my mom's is like you could see the flames in her eyes and the steam coming out of. His ears. So there's this back part of the bar, or OJ, and his crew went, and as soon as he went back there, my mom's screamed at the top as long as and there's other families that aren't part of our party there as that the Hannie fucking killed her with, and my dad, like was so fucked up. They couldn't compute like why is why am I being yelled? At what did I do wrong right there? Well, I was telling me that the times Tommy that was kind of in the middle is in the middle of it. Yeah. So he's like looking around like pulling sweaty, Brian, like you know, so my mom didn't talk to my dad the rest of the trip. Tommy was in. I was all because it was Tommy's. You know it was his him the one. My dad is probably yucky ended up laughing like oh, that's, that's fucking the juice, your loose at all or no. No. You didn't talk to juice it off. No, no. It's just timing. Just time you so two husbands on the trip where in like absurdly shit with their wives arrested, like they didn't talk to them. And so you said this day, three day, three day four something like that. And how many days was the trip total. I think we've ever ten total dates and totally. I mean as a tough move to happen on the day three thank you. Can't no talk in for the rest of the trip. That's why it's like my dad is sleeping on the pullout. Yeah. That's a lot of leaper booking resort room. That's a lot of time on the, you know, the beach with with the girls and then that's like the guy's like gone golfing, or, you know, don't go to whatever you. Yeah. That's tough. So, like was juice was just happiest guy in the world. Have you? Like I said it like imagine the happiest person you've ever seen like, whatever that may be like juice was happier. OJ Simpson was happier in this very moment. He was seeing Brown girl by van Morrison at the top of his lungs in the Florida Keys. Probably just got a nice mimosa. You know, and you were just drinking orange juice, and pounded tornadoes. And then it fucking turns into a laxative or whatever, and I just shut my brains out. How about that? So it was like, foreshadowing that was like the godfather. When you see an orange like someone's going to die. It's like White Sox. Dave in a fucking Tiki bar pools, drink and fresh squeezed orange juice shit in his pants only to be seen by OJ Simpson center that I mean, now it's like a funny story like even my momma laugh at it. Now whenever it's brought up, but, like we always talk about remember that time you were so fucked up. You couldn't say your own name you walked up to Tommy walked up to fucking OJ in and shook his hand. What does he say about it now to, like, we I, I remember we literally, my dad and I and my dad was fucked up. We had to throw Tommy into his hotel room, like like military carry them into his hotel, and he's big due to. Yeah. He was he was he even know that he was shaking juices, hand or maybe I don't like. That's actually good question. Next time. I see I'm gonna ask them like do you remember like actually like how it all went down. Like because I think like what's the first? Words, you say OJ Simpson. I don't I don't he has no idea. I have no idea what they said. They are only like twenty thirty feet away from me there at the entrance of the Tiki bar. And I just wish to God I could've been like I would have walked up there, even if I would have been with my mom, like, I, I think I would have been young enough, where I, I would get the pass, you know, but I, I'm just trying to think of what you can say to that guy. Like do you just go up fan? I can't really say, you know, you can't or you can't be like, okay. I enjoyed watching you play like is that acceptable still? I mean you everybody did enjoy watching a player. He won a Heisman at USC. I think he was all time leading rushers. Right. I think you just leave it at, like, like if you ever run into them like I just leave it's like what's up juice? But I just had not j two sets it. I don't know. I mean, I'd wanna talk to him about everything and anything. But, like I like what like I was like, think of this hypothetical. What if like he knew my dad would never remember this or timing rather? And. Like he like, like confessed everything to my dad or in Tommy at the time. And that'd be crazy. I mean I always that they wouldn't remember it. I mean if I had to guess that heb. Tis time in the Florida Keys or whatever like he was off the grid for probably a lot of his life after all that went down. If I had to guess you probably told some people some shit. Oh, yeah. That were just passer bys like Tommy, you're dead. All right. Are you a cop Sky TV show? I'll watch it. They went sign, you know, fucking idiots like running with Krassner, but there is a she a, there was a TV show called jail. It was just like cops. And now they got like live PD and everything. And I was watching this, this is probably I don't think I was I might have been college actually because I wasn't living in city yet. I was I was at home. I want to say and OJ got arrested for something and he was on the TV show, and it was like live PD or something. And it's in Vegas. And like, do we just booked J Simpson any like and they like went up to him with the cameras, and he's like I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I'll try to find the clip for, like sweaty Brian to cut into the fucking just have. Now. We're all he just. It just was done. I'll I mean that's he denied everything. Just deny it till he died. He wrote a book and said, if I did do it or something if I did do it gonna probably butcher it, but it's called something like if I did do it. This is how I would have done it. Something like that. Yeah. But I think he probably just laid out exactly did do it. Yeah. I, I mean, dude, I don't remember. Oh, java's. I was four years old. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. I was in first grade. I don't remember at all. I was I that's one of my earliest memories. But I do remember him getting acquitted and it being a huge deal. Like even for the first graders are all everyone. Hold shit. OJ got OJ got quitted. So all right. Dave. Just the thought of OJ Simpson walk into a key west pool. Party singing, Brown eyed girl, just hilarious. So I'm happy. We has had was. Tilted back and he was like belting. He's like your my Brown eyed girl. That's objective funny. I mean I know he's a terrible things but that's just that's just funny. Yeah, I don't know. He got acquitted, so. Yeah. I can you even say that? I don't know. I look Alevis too. I mean can you even say like I mean, everybody knows he did it. But all say he got off, you know. Yeah. So all right. That everybody that is for today. We will cut you tomorrow.

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The O.J. Simpson Trial: Paula Barbieri

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The O.J. Simpson Trial: Paula Barbieri

"I think that the the the Simpson Trial Zodiac. You are a Berry Shack with a Marcia Clark Rising Marcia Clark tagline. Yeah because I told you we're doing Marsha Clark and then I Sprang Paula. Barbieri on you. Yeah you're gonNA roll with it like a low rent nineties daytime talkshow. And I'm trying to say Jason Misogynistic. Maybe that's the tagline. Look onto you're wrong about the show where we try to say something. That isn't misogynistic. What are the Nissan Kinetic things that are like flicking through your head? No just like I was GonNa say where like the mistresses of history. Get to be the wives of the next or something. That's fucking king terrible it start. I think you're getting there. How about where the mistresses of history? Speak because there's nothing about being a mistress you're welcome to Iran about the podcast where women who coast are in men's lives get to finally star or in their own Merida's I had this episode sprung upon me and I have not had time to prepare anything. You just have to only back and let me tell you about the nineties. That's your whole heart is that I am Michael. I'm a reporter for the Huffington Post. My Name is Sarah Marshall and I'm working on a book about the satanic panic although honestly at this moment I'm really putting most of my time into this podcast. So how do I say just like a second the thing about myself. My Name's Sarah Marshall and I'm sitting on a sheepskin in Nashville Tennessee. So today we are talking about. Paula Barbieri Eerie We're GONNA do fourteen episodes on the O.. J. Simpson thing more and more. I see this as a Greek tragedy. I I think we're GonNa talk about the OJ Simpson tragedy and it's a tragedy. Not only was there a senseless murder of two people but everyone who became involved in this an event as a trial as a media frenzy emerged diminished in some way okay and Elizabeth Wurzel who. I gave a hard time in the last episode for being uh-huh so weirdly unsympathetic Nicole's candles also has a great line talking about the trial which is never before have so many people looked so bad ad for so little. That'd be Okay Simpson trial so this is like the period between the murder trial ish. Yeah those basically a six month month period you know after. OJ's taken into custody before trial begins when an incredible amount of media coverage takes is place. There's an incredible amount of speculation and incredible amount of anticipation. Unless I'm really missing something. No one is orchestrating these things from the top down but you can kind of see how past scandals are being improved upon nineties. Progress partly because the sophistication of the media covering them in the invasiveness of the media and America has casino the first gavel to gavel coverage of a criminal trial and the United States. Which is the Pam Smart Case and New Hampshire which which is broadcast locally and people with switch over from soap operas to watch like it bumped actual programming like this is the very early instances instances of people who are saying the viability of reality TV? Well let's let's dig in Where should we wish we start Mike? Tommy what do we know so far about Paula. Barbieri based on. What what? I've told you on this podcast literally. All I know is what you told me episode. which is that Paula? BARBIERI is a lady who looks looks like Julia Roberts and who briefly dated OJ Simpson when he was separated or divorced from Nicole Brown Simpson. That's all I got was your assumption. That if she was around pre murder she would not be around post. It kind of was it's like you don't know straight women and yet you talked to one. Unlike all the time the reason that I wanNA start off talking about how all this looked Apollo barberry is that she was very shy of all the people the story she was one of the only people who had unguarded access to OJ Simpson immediately following the murder right. Here's what Dominic Dunn Rights after the Criminal Trial About Paula Barbieri and one of his later Vanity Fair Columns Paula Barbieri Simpson's I weill girlfriend has reportedly signed a three million dollar book deal with Little Brown since Barbieri never achieved the star status. Cindy Crawford Ame Campbell in the modeling Profession Shen. It seems highly unlikely that any publisher would pay sexism for her life story unless clear understanding that she had something very salable to write or have written for her about her former lover their sexual union was said to be extrordinary. The sounds of their lovemaking and Robert Kardashians House on the night before Nicole's funeral. According to an inside source woke up the household God Barbie areas real value to the overall story however is that she knows what Simpson thought and sat about Nicole and the weeks and days before he killed her just the night before they went to a black tie party and Belair together. She broke up with him the next morning the day of the murders whereas and went to Las Vegas but after the news of the murder is she returned immediately and stating Kardashians House with okay. She was present during the crucial four days between the murders and the freeway chase. Oh and then Larry Schiller who wrote one of the seven hundred bucks about the OJ. Simpson trial is quoted by Dominic. Donna honest saying I can understand Pala getting that kind of money. She's got all the sex to talk about which sells and she was there when the lawyers talked to. OJ Both at the House and in jail so she was always reading the Bible writing her Christmas cards and listening. She knows a lot and she's not bound by the attorney client privilege. What do you think about about the Dominic Dunn description of Paula? I mean it sounded like he was going for like a little lake. Oh she's just a model and now she's cashing in kind of thing. Yeah which like whatever if people can cash in on things. I don't give a shit. Well let's talk about this because I've been thinking about the cashing in accusation and that's been a theme in our show to like so this book comes out in Nineteen ninety-seven Evan. Let me read a snarky review of it to you visit from Amazon. No Michael This is from entertainment weekly like published like a real review. Yeah Real Review. This was before the wait understand consensus about something wasn't to look at twitter. Yeah the before time. The long long ago. Ignore the fact that O.. J. Simpson is now a quaint anachronism and the post Princess Diana Age thing to say who cares if if nearly every O.. J. Friend foe lawyer Prosecutor Hybrid Journalists and tabloid Hack has already cashed in with their contributions to the remainder bins. That's no reason to ignore nor this book. The one that finally tells us drum roll please what. OJ was like in bed. Oh of course we're not for the three million dollar advance Paula Barbieri arbitrary received for the other woman my years with Oj Simpson. She could have saved herself. Travel overwriting three hundred twelve pages and they shoot a simple statement about Simpson's sexual we'll prowess I want to tell you. She might have said he's not really that great. A simple thumbs down no chance especially when Barbieri saw the opportunity to turn her pedestrian Austrian life story and doom stint as one of Simpson's numerous non heisman trophies into the stuff of romance novels. Oddly Barbieri glasses losses over her. Disappointment was Simpson's quote humdrum and ritualized love making the thought had accelerated me more so than the act itself. I'm afraid she writes yet. I wasn't disappointed. It's hard to explain. This sets the killing tone for the rest of the book. Barbieri broods about Simpson's possible guilt accuses him of infidelity ability and describes his rages including one time. He grabbed his cell phone from her knocking. It out of her hand and quote hurting her yet. She never seems truly troubled by the any of it his quote sheer animal magnetism and their mutual affinity for John Gray matter from Mars women are from Venus were apparently enough to offset double murder charges. His Simpson's violent temper and his other women Barbieri's own father had once broken her mother's ribs she says and that may be why she returned to Simpson after their many breakups cups and stuck by him when he was on trial for the first time. She admits doubts about his innocence. But even her family can't excuse her extraordinary Nicole like like an ability to truly write this guy off. ooh I WANNA stay with that final sentence. Like let's I'm GonNa say it again. We're going to like diagram this thing. But even her family history can't excuse her extraordinary Nicole Lake inability to truly write this guy off off. It just seems very illiterate about how domestic abuse works right. I mean that's that's how I would characterize it. It's like they're like I. There's the idea that Paula Hala and implicitly Nicole need to be excused for their inability to break things off with Oj Simpson like they. I need to be forgiven by the public by somebody. Like they're guilty of something and like it is an inability to end things with of a controlling man like why are they the villains that we have to lake beneficent. -Ly Forgive Right. What's that's bad or out bright? It's also fucked up because like what appears to be the case that when Nicole left him he killed her yes so being like why didn't she leave him is like maybe she had information that turned out to be fucking true that like leaving him was a threat to her life. Which I think it's pretty safe to say that it was so it's weird to be like that? She should have left in like she did. She took your advice and then she got fucking murdered. Maybe don't like maybe now is not the time to be like what took her so long. Like what the fuck Mhm Yeah and the thing about cashing in. It's like of course it's always media. That is accusing people. Who are you know? Friends of some participants in a trial. Royal Family members lawyers writing books or witnesses selling their stories. It's always media that accused him of cashing in. And it's like. Your whole industry is based on harvesting the trauma of random citizens. And every day you go to the story minds and turn human lives into a commodity hauled narrative right and this is this is the last three million dollars. She's GonNa make like it's not like yeah. She published this. It came out when she was a thirty year old model who had essentially sacrificed a couple of the last reliably eh profitable years of her life to a guy who was going through a trial. is she his girlfriend during the trial did they continue dating. That's a very a good question. And it's one that She and Christopher Darden who's one of the prosecutor has come to blows about eventually what because Paula Barbieri and Oj. Simpson get together in May nineteen ninety two so like at the moment basically that. OJ and Nicole. Separation is getting serious areas and so from the beginning. He super serious about her So Dominic Dunn is covering OJ Simpson trial for Vanity Fair. He's essentially a member member of the Greek chorus and this long tragedy and he does this wonderful thing in his vanity fair coverage where he literally will put in for the most part unattributed quotes and to his OJ coverage that do feel like you're hearing from the whispers of a Greek chorus or guest. The whispering gossip of Los Angeles ascend for the most part lake. Fancy rich white. Los Angeles City Bull like people in society who regard Faye resnick new money although Dominic Dunn thinks rather highly affair resnick and so one piece of early Paula. Barbieri coverage is just dominick Dunne's coverage of the whispers about Paula Barbieri arbitrary. Which is Bob Evans knows Paula Barbieri? I heard that Paula Barbieri was with Michael Bolton at the Mirage in Vegas on the night of the murder if Paula had been there I bet nicole could never have been killed that night. He didn't have any place to go. What what unpack that for talk? Tuck is that. I don't know what is it like. How do we blame women for this? Like how do we reach so far around a corner to blame Leiva woman for this somehow. There's a lot of weird logical twists. Here where even in and who knows what this person is trying to say but for out this when people we're trying to defend okays sense they will often inadvertently say something that suggests guilt. What the fuck? Where are we in like in in time now when she gets introduced while Paula is is part of the O. J. Simpson coverage from the beginning? Really okay so she's like kind of known soon as his girlfriend from day one. Yeah because she had been publicly linked to him before okay. He was photographed with her at a black tie event on the night before before the murderers. You photo this is on the back coverage of what police book the other woman though my years with Oj Chase Simpson a story of love trust and betrayal. Well and here's the picture of them that no okay. Why do you think he looked very handsome? He does. Let's have enormous head. It really is a big house. Yes and she's wearing like a beautiful goal dress. She's gorgeous beaming. She's like Brown curly hair. You're now accidentally scanning down to her boobs boobs. I'm trying to smoothly pan down. She's like Super Bergey super attractive. She's beautiful. I don't know if I think she looks like Julia Roberts particularly but like she's super pretty. She doesn't look uncannily like Julia. Roberts yeah I think it's a way at the time of being like Oh. She like highly resembles. Someone who's very highly prized by Hollywood. Right now she's a great a top shelf woman yeah but so she walked through her relationship with Oj or should we start with the murder. Where should we start well? Let's actually let's start hall of Arbitrary Story. The way policy set in her book which came out in nineteen ninety seven which starts with Paula on June twelfth feeling like that after two tumultuous years with Oj Simpson. An on-again off-again relationship. She's finally ready to move on and she's finally finally met a man who makes her feel excited and happy and like she could really fall in love again and his name is Michael Bolton really really wow I want to warn you. The celebrity CAMEOS ARE GONNA get out of this episode. And they're going to stay that way but I can't talk about. I guess I've been thinking about this a lot. Can we talk about. Who Michael Bolton was? Who was he because I think people who have no memory of the nineties like probably weren't exposed to Michael Bolton Mi- that's that's nice for them I think Michael Bolton was somebody he's like an adult contemporary music star who it every culture needs a sort of like whipping boy like the least cool person imaginable? Yeah that was Michael Bolton rain but also that he was that because he was so so big. So the thing about Michael Bolton the way you always would recognize voices that he would be singing about this like very melodramatically emotional content and very cranky like Batman Voice. Okay you know what I mean. Can you hear Michael Bolton on your head. No because I don't think I ever actually heard or like I'm sure it hurt his songs in elevators. But I can't name Michael Bolton Song well my I have a treat for you. Oh No don't make Michael Bolton Film Because Paula Barbieri Three Matt Michael Bolton when she was in a music video for one of his God. So let me I. If you the first Paula's account of her relationship with Michael Bolton Paul writes on the morning of June twelfth nineteen ninety four I nearly skipped into lax. For my flight to Las Vegas. I felt healthy and strong for the first time. In months I was twenty seven years old but I- bubbled like a teenager like a girl and a new dress ready to be kissed for the first time. Okay so this is the day of the murder so on the day that Nicole gets killed that morning. Paula flies is to Las Vegas Right. Yes Okay Janna had been together for the past two years. We had a love affair to pop a thermometer. I assured more of myself with OJ than I ever thought I could share with anyone. I believe I knew him. Body and soul as well as a woman can know a man but Oj had proven me wrong. He'd lied to me more than once to my trusted crumbled and even as he swore I was the only one I had a fair suspicion that he'd been with other women including his ex wife Nicole like a reasonable suspicion. Yes we we know that this is is very reasonable. We were fighting every other day. I couldn't eat or sleep. I lost my usual sparkle at my modeling jobs. You could see it in the photographs OJ. Ajay was stopping my life away until early that morning impune twelfth when I left a fifteen minute speech on. OJ's voicemail what the press would later call a dear. John Message. I had had to save myself and I did it. The only way I knew how I couldn't afford to give OJ chance to beguile or seduce me yet again the year before the first time we broke up OJ had walked away from me now. It was my turn and this time. I'd vowed it would be for keeps. I made explicit. What we'd both known for some time we were through now? I was off to to see someone knew a man. I've been thinking about for months. Michael Bolton incredible so she goes on to say that she made a Michael Bolton video that shot on on February fourteenth nineteen ninety four after. She's sitting there sadly thinking about the two years that she sacrificed her relationship with Oj and the and they fell video for Michael Bolton Sung completely. The video told the story of a man Michael who falls in love with a girl while watching her practice her ballet from his apartment across the street. The girl already had a boyfriend. Who reminded me a lot of OJ? He's very charismatic. And lights up a room But he isn't true you're finally together. The director said simply as we moved into the closing scene shot under a Hollywood rain. My eyes met michaels and I default mesmerized swallowed up into my character as I walked toward. Michael I spontaneously shut my raincoat. I had only some very scanty underwear beneath it. That was how I embraced embraced him completely science called completely with total. Abandon with all of my need and desire my improvisation took everyone by surprise is run the video on freeze frame and you'll see Michael's brief double-take professional that he is he instantly recovered to meet me in a melting kiss. I threw my arms around his neck and drew who won the up against his hip. My Eyes were closed to the rain and the moment I lost track of time and place. I mean that's lovely. It's also funny that like. Wow what what a professional Michael Bolton like made out with extremely hot woman due to professionalism. You are having experienced since that. I have been having the entire time that I've been reading this book. which is like does pollen know what she's saying also the thing? Women never quite believe how beautiful they are like. Of course Michael Bolton wants to make our there okay and so. It's the time. Now that I've you have heard Paula's Wallas experience of this video and of Michael Bolton I would like I hope to watch this video. I was hoping to distract you. So you'd forget about that but okay no that normally would work but not this time I again like I always thought people were like a little overblown ish. Camin to Michael Bolton He wasn't like you know burning books in the street or like at the same time. Watch this video. Oh Yeah I was backing this video and listening to the song and I was like so this is you know Paul is like this is an idea of romance and love that resonates with me and this. This is what I want and I was like. What does Paul a want so like? Watch this video and think about what Pala once and if maybe Pala deserves better letter from American corner. That's my question. Okay what am I going completely others those easy. It's like I'm movie. sepia filter was that her. That's her oh wow she's like super appreciate. It does kind of look like Julia Roberts she does. She's clearly like a professional beautiful person. Like look how shiny her hair is amazing. We're now cutting to Michael Bolton who has the thing of like this is why it has to be why everybody hated him was that he's balding but he has like really really really long hair. Yeah which is just like a weird aesthetic choice but like listen to his voice though. It's kind of raspy. Now she's dancing. I mean the thing is if you clean them up a little bit. He'd be like wildly attractive. I can you're right if it wasn't for the fucking hair hair. The hair is atrocious. no-one no-one intervened now. He's playing baseball with us. Paula Barbieri is to kiss the neighborhood model. She saw him and he's playing baseball with the kids. Oh and they're making is at each other fucking gay bar also like he's supposed to be this kind of like greasier but he lives listen like a furniture showroom where he played a to me. I know you have to the no like what people consumed at this time and they were like I am listening to the Michael Bolton and this is what America has offered to me you know it is actually amazing that like that. This was popular also look at what they half Paula wearing a leotard. With like the okay now. Here's here's the coats seen. This is an cozine. I WANNA see him double-take no I don't see that happening. I don't see it now. Now and now. He's kissing in between her boobs because he's like he's really professional. I feel like Michael Bolton could have written that same now. They've made love. Oh It's interesting that he has a shirt off that she's still fully closed. That's how it happened. In the nineties. Women kept their leotards on God. It seems to be winding down. I've never been happier still. It's still happening okay. That was a nightmare life. Tell me how you feel about about all in the nineties. This thing you've ever made me do to this point. Yeah what really stands out to me about Out that song is that the final word of assign in this kind of link. Crew Nissan is important and part of your world from the Little Mermaid. The last word Word is world. Because that's what the song is about. You know it's like the idea that you want to convey the last word and the last note that he hangs onto in the song is me at all A. quotes lyrics at her she quotes apart. I WANNA give my heart completely to someone who'll completely completely give their heart to only me. I'm seeing it in all caps now. Yeah let's go slake okay at best. That's neutral control and at worst you're talking about wanting to own someone but so what this says to me to link it back to. OJ Is it like. She seems kind kind of naive or like she seems like someone who isn't necessarily super I mean she's kind of like Nicole and away right. She's like kind of young isn't super savvy isn't super cynical nickel about men. I mean it seems like. She's very like open hearted and so does that characterize a relationship with OJ. Just this kind of like we're into each other. It's going to be fine kind of mode. Yeah it's interesting. So they get together when she's twenty five and he's forty four because a big age difference. Yes and a big power difference. The same time like twenty five is a world away from eighteen yet. Yeah and she's been on her own since she was a teenager. She's been modeling since she was a teenager her. She was traveling alone in Europe hanging out with Roman Polanski when she was seventeen years old. So she's been around the block walk. She was a teenage model. She's hung out with a lot of sex criminals. Yeah and so. By the time she meets okay I think that she she believes saves an incredible amount of what he tells her. Because you said lockstep so that he is the consummate liar. So I'm assuming that he's not telling her very much accurate about his relationship with Nicole. What's happening? Yeah Polish version of okays relationship with Nicole is going to sound different to you than the version. We've said yeah this point and so at the same time that she eh believes a lot of what he's saying she has some sense of what a maybe not a healthy relationship but a survivable relationship relationship is like contract and she says immediately after the murders that he has never been physically violent with her interest and that seems to be true and I think it's also a really interesting to talk about here as we talk about. What policy says did happen in the relationship lake what we can see in this relationship? That's consistent with the way that he treated McColl. Even as behavior didn't according to Polish version getting nearly to the degree that got to with Nicole I think is part of the same spectrum. Okay but I think that it's at different places meaning that he was like controlling and capricious and jealous but did just never escalated to physical violence. Yeah we're like it got it got physical but in a not nearly the same degree you know or that there was jealousy and controlling this but also not to the same agree right right now because I think the way he treated Nicole on the way we talked about his treatment of her. It seems to me like he felt in in some way that she controls some part of his ego. Who I mean? I think the way that his relationship with Nicole started. I think it's so important that she was eighteen years. There's old and barely out in the world at the time and like if it hadn't been her you know that he found and who took that role in his life. I think it would have been some other girl who is out unlike wobbly. A little baby deer legs right. So how does that contrast with Paula is policy. Paul has more power when they meet or I think that Paul is an adult when they meet but also just the fact that like Nicole has never left that place in his life And if you still are fixated on like spying on someone else it's like how much how much energy can you really bring to. I mean and of course. He did follow Paula around but like not as menacingly mainly right or are not that we know of like you said like when he's not with Nicole. He goes back to Paula. But then he's sort of leaves her for Nicole all right Yeah and so she has left this message. Basically saying I can't keep doing this anymore like I only you only come to me when Nicole rejects you and like you betrayed my trust enough times at this point that like. I just can't like I'm protecting myself. I can't do this anymore. Connects she goes to Las Vegas with Michael Bolton so she gets together with. OJ leaves in the voice. Mail saying I can't do this. She seeing the pattern with Nicole. She leaves gives him. She goes to Vegas. And she hooks up with Michael Bolton yes okay Kim. Twelfth Nineteen ninety-four is at the day of the murders. Yes Paula Barbieri. Broke up with O.. J. That morning in voicemail and then flew to Las Vegas to be with Michael Bolton so first of all Paula when she gets to Vegas goes to see Michael Play a softball which apparently he does alive. Okay he's powerful man who really fills out of Jersey. According to her book he has the haircut of someone who plays a lot soft Hari insult. I'm sure he's such a nice guy. I feel bad. It's it's not an insult to imply that someone plays a lot of softball. It's a very good hoppy dot balls dope when Michael went up to the plate and hit the ball hard I whooped and cheered for him. It took me me back to my adolescence and Panama City Florida when my girlfriends and I had crushes on the community college athletes in the dorms across from my house and so she goes and meets up with Michael and she's wearing a chanel style dress with pleated skirt and a gold link chain the waste. I felt very pretty that night. I wanted Michael to like what he saw and excuses herself. Later in the evening to check her voicemail and sees she has is actually. I don't even know if the phrase if the word voicemail existed back then Sir self to check her phone messages and sees that she has three messages from OJ. Today the first message says girl. What is it now? I thought we were going to fill the house with babies. She writes much later. Okay would testify. I find that he'd hoped I could take him to the airport for a late flight to Chicago. Thank Heaven I wasn't around had I given Oj. That right I would have landed in some very hot legal water. Okay which I have written in the margin. I don't know Paula. The third call was different. I understand what you mean. Okay said his tone was darker. Softer resigned the message. Unnerved me had. OJ accepted our break-up or is this just another ploy to put me off my guard. What his next move be during during okay civil trial the plaintiffs would place into evidence? A phone log. It suggested that he left the third message at ten three PM. Roughly half an hour before two people died at eight. Seventy five southbound Dr. Wow So. He's like drunk dialing Paulov. Bright before he goes in does it according to the the prosecutor's timeline. I don't know if he was drunk at the time but he you know he was calling her. Why within half an hour of of when the murders took place? Yes okay I mean what do you make of that. If we're talking about his frame of mind the you. I WanNa know what you've figured all we'll have with Okay that's that's asking you. This whole time is running out of spit here. Man I mean it shows all over the map he was. It's interesting how so. Because if we believe that he killed them which I think we both do uh-huh it means that like at the same time. He's in a jealous rage against Nicole. He's also kind of trying to get back with someone else. Like a weird and it just weird that people's brains work that way that you can hold those two ideas in your mind at the same time that like why is it. Nicole love me anymore and also like I think it's GonNa work out pretty the other check like it's yeah I mean it's it's stupid to say it doesn't make any sense because none of it makes sense but like it doesn't make any sense. It's just weird to me. It makes sense because because It seems like all of the factors that combine that day. When you look at each of them in turn you know just the beyond again off again? Reconciliation between them the the fact that she had finally broken things off with him the fact that he had reported her to the IRS which really turned her against him the fact that she was looking at attempting. This move to Malibu which would mean that. She wouldn't be living five minutes away from him. Read anymore that she you know was losing his control. You know you look at all of those factors converging and then the events of that night him not being asked to come to dinner and being explicitly licitly barred from joining the family after the recital and then add to that the fact that Paula had broken up with him and a voice mail a a red and like did that tip the scales in favor of of him committing murder. I don't know I think it's like I think it's interesting that it's hard to talk about that. Potentially being a factor in the murderers without it feeling like were blaming this poor woman who just tried to break up with her horrible Roy friend yet which like seems like a very prudent thing for her to be doing. Yeah and like I don't know. I think that this brings us to the the the area where I think it becomes clear to us that centering conversations around blame is not the most useful thing for us to be doing. I think that we can talk about about you. Know what was everything that was going on and Oj Simpson's head on June Twelfth Nineteen ninety-four that could have led him to drive to Nicole's house US and kill her. And Ron Goldman that we can have that conversation without that at the same time you know implicitly being and whose fault autism aside from his. Let's writing this is not blame. A woman hit board game of the nineteen nineties. I think it's important to separate the person from from the situation. Yeah the you can say like the situation of being broken up with with his plan B. Girlfriend and who breaks up with Tim Sanctuary because she knows she is the plan B girlfriend and I'm very tired of being the plan B. Girlfriend and she's like smart enough to know exactly what is going on right. All of his bullshit is not getting through due to her. That like the situation. I just got broken up with saying that situation might have contributed to his actions later. That night is different. Brendan saying the woman who broke up with him contributed to his actions right which is just like a different way of thinking about our responsibility to each other earth. Unlike you know Cable News and codependent people are willing to think in which is like you know that it is not pol is responsibility to protect attacked. OJ Simpson from himself and all of the violence that he may be capable of in the same way that it wasn't Nicola responsibility to prevent him from beating beating her right right so she gets that message and she's like Nah whatever. I'm with Michael Bolton. I want her to go out. And just just like bang. The hell out of Michael Bolton right now. I've never said that before but I hope that's how I I'm Sajida's appointing according to Paula. She says at two. Am everyone had left the sweet except Michael in me. We talked for a long while. Had One last glass of champagne. Then it was really good night as Michael had to get up early early the next day to work with a celebrated songwriter. Diane Warren. We had a long goodnight kiss. NFL The same wild energy between us. That I had experienced on the set for months before the same sweetness and mystery and raw attraction all were present and accounted for as a person who has turned down a lot of things. Because I need to get up early. I like. I'm deeply understand Michael Bolton for the first time in my life you can empathize with Michael Ball. It's like this is a good thing. But I'm not GonNa do it because I have shifted tomorrow. Yeah yes see. That's that's what I love about doing this show. We never know who. We're going to feel a strange feeling. If can ship with today. It could be Michael Bolton tomorrow. Who knows and so the next morning she puts on Sunshine Yellow Bikini and joins Michael by the pool? Oh she writes when Michael Cod his bodyguard. Ogling me and my bikini he joked with the guy. Because it's you I'll let you get away with looking at her like that. Here we go. Oh I thought I'd reached the phase with Michael where you know you really like a man but he keeps surprising you Michaels looks has manner little turns of speech. Everything was fresh and appealing. Doing what a weird moment like. There's no transition between those two things yet. What so later in the day her cell phone rings and it's Tom Her theatrical manager who she writes as soon as I heard his voice strain nearly breaking I got scared? Something terrible has happened to Nicole. Tom Said what do you mean. Go back to your room room. I'll call you there. She goes to her room. She stops at the gift shop and get Marlborough Lights which she smokes. Her nerves are shot. She says interestingly both Nicole and Paulo smoked during their relationships with Oj and like head. They're smoking from him because he only about it. That's like weirdly controlling uh-huh the phone was ringing as we pass through the door. Turn on the television. Tom Said now he sounded even worse within ten seconds. I'd heard the nation's top news story. Glory Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman had been found murdered near the front steps of Nicole's Condo. I felt like I'd been hit in the head with a brick. I sank crying to my knees and has pictures of the murder scene flashed over the TV. I prayed hysterically. Please please please forgive me. Please please please forgive me please please please. I was pleading with the woman I barely known when she was alive. I was asking forgiveness from the person I despised and my most anguished hours I had been full of resentment. Because she'd beating me and taken my man away isn't that amazing phrasing. She beaten me. That sucks the of course that means bested in a contest contest. But it's like Nicole's one getting beaten here Nicole's not meaning anyone you know but it's like because these two women are turned against each other competing over. OJ Simpson Services. The way she sees no the same like armpit of a man. Yeah Yeah you know my whole thing with getting super bummed out when like people who should get along and up in rivalries due to bullshit and this is pushing all my buttons of that and people who are rivals because their situations zor so similar yeah Man and she writes. How many times had I wished my own awful private secret breeds allowed to no one that that Nicole would just vanish from the face of this earth? You must be careful what you wish for. I was sickened with guilt as I knelt before the television nearly out of my head. God I was sure of one thing. Something had been taken from me that morning and I'd never get it back. This is an interesting moment. 'cause she is propelled into second tenths guilt but then it also so like because of that becomes about her right yeah right. You don't want to say that because that's mean but yeah a little bit. Well it's not. I'm not saying it mainly I'm saying in an alike. Well that seems to be happening a kind of a way and that's what we do right. It's like we do find and ways to make huge terrible things happening to other people somehow about us. If it's you know as a way to cope got humans are narcissistic creatures. And Yeah I always feel like my worst self alf. When like some tragic heartbreaking thing happens in like Beirut and I'm like I was there for two days in two thousand and seven? It was so great like it's not that's not adding any. It feels like you. Of course feel more emotions when something happens to something that you're connected to event tangential way but that's like your point of access to it. Yeah exactly that's how humans work. Yeah so Paula immediately feels tortured with guilt. Because she spent the last two years is thinking of Nicole as like this person who she like had hardly ever seen who was more of an idea to her who is like beautiful blonde and distant women. Who is Jay's ex wife who? OJ said was like seeing other people and he was seeing other people and they were moving on so why was okay. Like going to Disneyland with Nicole and the kids. And why was Nicole showing up in New York at Christmas on announced after previously cancelling at the last minute there's just the sense of like intense territoriality thing where like the situation in is that the guy you're seeing has a wife that he cannot break ties with mushy transferring her anger and disappointment at the situation onto Nicole as a person. I I think we all do this a lot. Oh Yeah we yes. We have all been Paula at one time in our lives. Many of us have been Nicole at one time in our lives. A lot of us have I've been Kris tschetter or favor resnick. I don't even know what that means but like sit somewhere the truth is out there. That's I mean that's why America was so compelled by this the story right because it's about human relationships and romantic relationships and themes of betrayal and dependence Indi- and rage and denial. We all experience these things to some degree in our personal lives. Normally by the grace of God had no one gets killed. Yeah I mean I think looking back. It's it's I think people's gut reactions are behind more than we admit they are. Oh Yeah I think Ettelaat of the blame of women in stories like this are i. Don't want to say like it's because men are men but it's arm and now but on a gut level you get where. OJ's coming from in a way that you don't get where Nicole is coming from right like I have a wife. She can nag me sometimes. She sometimes make fun of my work. She sometimes doesn't have dinner on the table. Motive represents like an escalation of feelings that I have had and and so I get those feelings whereas like a woman who sort of lives in terror lives in constant anxiety constantly tiptoeing around not set off her boyfriend who is acting out that anxiety in various ways like with her sexuality with drugs with cuddling with resnick. With whatever like his hit men at a gut level and so it's like her pain is academic and his pain is real. Yeah and we also assume that the world is for other people the way that we experience it and then other people are treated the way that we are treated totally like a good way to put. If you're a middle class white person as an incredibly depleting surest way to assume the world like you will be wrong Brett right and and away that could have dire consequences for everyone. Yeah looking back in the nineties. I do think that that those feelings behind Amy Fisher and Monica Lewinsky on all of these scandals. Tonya Harding Anna Nicole. Smith totally well and I think what you're also. Oh saying here is that you see men on the whole like American kind of white CISGENDER heterosexual hetero normative. I making in kind of a wax on wax off Chester. I don't know why I'm opening a portal but this kind of strain of masculinity to be very very ready to identify with the abuser and very reluctant to identify with the abused. What's interesting to me about that is that men are are very abused in American society? Like manner off and abused by their fathers or by male relatives. Like there's a lot of emotional abuse. A lot of physical abuse. Boys are sexually abused a lot in a way that isn't recognized. Culturally men are also like abused at work a lot. There's often like a component of emotional abuse and like pressure cooker male workplace. Things totally right. I've Seen Martin Scorsese movies. Yeah right so it's interesting to me that like men then want to take on this perspective of like. I don't know what it's like to live in terror of someone and it's like right do it's not consistent with. You're the role that you're supposed to be playing in society as an adult or something like that but like men know what it's like to be abused men know what it's like to be Nicole all right so we left off with Paula. After Paula finds out that Nicole has been murdered. She checks her messages again and find several more massacres from OJ. All saying effect. I need to talk to you right away. Please call me. Oh Wow were they after. He allegedly committed the murder. Yeah because he appears at his house at about eleven pm and a limo that he ordered being driven by a man named Allen. Park will later be an important witness takes into the airport. where he you fly to Chicago? Once he reaches Chicago he receives a phone. Call telling him about the murderers okay and then flies back to La. So the timeline. The prosecution timeline is he kills Nicole and Ron at ten thirty derives home showers. I guess and then gets into car flies to Chicago and then the next day flies back. There's a lot of debate surrounding the showers. I guess thirty. I shouldn't have added that okay. Vague possibly I forget get the every single tiny detail has been combed over. Every single thing is going to be picked over but the press to be as as vague as possible the prosecution narrative welby that OJ. Eh leaves the message for pilot. Teno three goes to Nicole's house. Murderers Nicole and Ron drives back. Home gets in his limo out about eleven and is driven by Allen Park to the airport and then catches a flight to Chicago. He's called and informed in the murders and then flies back to La as soon as he can. You know what's a detail that I remember from the actual case happening and made me think that. OJ Did it. And I think that was like an impression that I had for the whole time. mm-hmm tell me if it's true that the cops call up. OJ and they say Nicole is dead and he replies with. Oh no she's been murdered search without them saying that to him. Is that true or is that just like a rumor. I heard in the school yard. Okay I'm GonNa read you a passage from Jeffrey toobin. The run of his life. Greg Nancy your question and this is the detectives calling Jay Phillips called the hotel at six o five am and asked to be put through to Okay Simpson's room. Though he recognized the voice the detective still l.. Asked is this okay Samson. Yes who's this Phillips chose his words carefully when he delivered news of Nicole's death to Oj. This is detective Phillips. oops from the Los Angeles Police Department. I have some bad news for you. Your ex-wife Nicole. Simpson has been killed. Simpson was distraught. Oh my God. Nicole is killed. Oh my God is she dead. Okay Philips trying to calm him Mr Simpson. Please try to get a hold of yourself. We have your children at the West Los Angeles police station. I need to talk talk to you about that. And then okay tells him he's going to get out of Chicago on the first available flight. And then Philip's goes the phone. OJ's oldest child from his first marriage Arnelle L.. Who makes arrangements with him and then to been? Rates Phillips never spoke to Simpson again later. The detective found at worth noting. What Simpson did not say? In their brief conversation Simpson never asked how or when Nicole had been quote killed Phillips had not said and Simpson did not ask whether she had been killed in an accident or murder. Oh okay so I should say that differently the LAPD calls Oj and tells him Nicole has been killed but they don't tell him how and he doesn't ask okay so it's not as bad as what I heard when I was twelve but it's pretty bad. Yeah and how I don't know I mean as we've just got so many times you can't let's say like that's not how I would react if one of my loved ones was killed because like I have no idea Ohio reactive. What am I loved? Ones was killed but one assumes that if I had news that like someone like my parents were killed in their home last night. I WanNa know who did it. Was it a gas leak. I feel like it's probably common for people to ask ask like how I can. Because that's the thing that makes something seem rial to you right but on the other hand there's also much better evidence that he committed workers with other stuff that they're too. It's not just that it's not just him him. Not asking how Nicole was killed. We haven't jumped to this conclusion. So she checks her messages. She has a bunch of messages from OJ. I'm June thirteenth. Saying I need to talk to you. Please call me and a message from her. Mom saying whatever you do. Promise me that you won't go back to Los Angeles. What do you think Paula did? She went back to Los Angeles. I guess we knew right. Yes we do know that sell guests before she does that politicians on her TV as millions of Americans are doing at this point and sees the first images that will be associated with the O.. J. Simpson trial and of OJ himself and his role in it. which is I him arriving at at his home in Brentwood because media's already there and then him being handcuffed by police we're going to take him in an interview him so she's watching it and she writes it was true? Okay was a suspect. That's impossible I thought I couldn't imagine how. OJ could cope with what was happening. It must be tearing him apart. Oh interesting when you think of that. Well she's empathizing with him which is interesting so she's not thinking that he did it. Immediately I feel like Paula's reactions are going to be the opposite of what you would do like pretty consistently. Yeah and this friend Mickey Michael Bolton's friend Mickey Mickey Sherman Sisterhood. Oj ever hit you. And she says no he didn't she writes as volatile as our relationship had been as obsessively jealous. OJ could be. I didn't consider consider him a violent man. His Rag scared me once or twice and I've seen him go berserk in a hotel room but that was as far as gone guy. What's interesting to me about that is that it's it's like it's not the right question? Maybe it's like has okay ever hit you know but lake has has okay ever scared you right yes right and I think that this is a clue that an American culture is still this this idea. That's very pervasive. That's like anything that is not actual. Violence is not that serious. Right Right Keke also tells her not to call okay back because he might say something incriminating to her and then she'll have a legal dilemma on her hands. No one wants that and she writes. Despite Mickey's warning I thought about calling okay back. He had no idea where I was and he needed to talk to me and so she does call him and talks to him. I'm she thinks As he's coming home from Parker Center after he's been questioned by the police quest getting that we're gonNA talk about in more detail in the next episode and she says how are you doing straining to sound normal. I need you okay. said his voice was flattened. All like a bad imitation himself then. He asked me question what happened to the messages I left. He last night she tells him she erased them and he says good. I don't need them to start picking King on that to me. She writes that sounded reasonable to me if the police were looking to stick these crimes on. OJ It was a terrible mistake. I wouldn't want his message is confusing infusing things even more. I was glad that I raised them. It's interesting that she's reading this in nineteen ninety seven Because this is after we've gone through the trial after whatever evidence bloody bloody glove all the other stuff So she's like she's like all her chips for O.. J. I think regardless of how she feels a nine hundred ninety seven he's describing driving how she felt in nineteen ninety four. Okay and I think that it makes sense that you know that you would go maybe hard in one direction. You also like our shielding yourself from the fear that it's your fault somehow. If if he did do it which like I don't see it as Polish fall but I'm pretty sure policies it as Polish fall policy is a lot of things as Polish fall. I think it would make sense in in the position. She is in to be like he couldn't have done it. He couldn't possibly have done it. And now this man I love needs me and away. He's never needed me before It's like a sort of caretaking rescuing kind of role. Oh Yeah Yeah and when has okay needed to be rescued before right. So she has dinner that night and then she calls okay at his house. In Brentwood eh where his sister Shirley answered the phone. She says he's in really bad shape. They've put him to bed and he's asked not to be disturbed unless pollock halls and and so surely puts her through to J. chace how he's doing any says everytime surely goes out of the room I pick up the gun. She wasn't here. I would have done it and policy policies. You can't do that. People who commit suicide don't go to heaven interesting. I think that's a very sweet detail about who she is at this time. A and this is the book that she writes after she's been saved she's like okay. The first order of business here we gotTA keep Oj from committing suicide. Because because then he won't go to heaven yet is sweet. I certainly think that it's entirely possible for her. To on some level understand that he is entirely capable of the murders and also also WanNa make sure he doesn't go to hell. Yeah and okay says to her. You've got to come back. I need you and she writes for me. It was a pivotal point. Once I heard. OJ's pain mighty decision was made. I might have broken up with the man but that didn't King my human obligation to him. If I didn't go back okay would die. It was I thought that simple all sides I was responsible here. Hadn't I wished the fatal wish fuck. She calls her mom and tells her what she's GonNa do and her mom says he's going going to kill you both well. She says even as I tried to calm her. I thought to myself that would be all right too. And Michael Bolton comes what what again. Yes guess no transition you know. She's told her mother she's going to go be with OJ Simpson. She says. I would do what had to be done. And whatever happened to me would be okay A.. And then Michael came to my room concern furrowed into his face because already pretty far away most which is his face is already pretty concerned. And and then Michael Bolton is there and what do you think Michael Bolton does sleep with her. I keep wanting to run away with Michael Bolton even though I know that that's what happens opens. Yeah let's so sweet it's like you're watching a horror movie and you're like what you're not split up one go into the basement according into Paula. Michael says you don't realize you don't realize America to take on. He said you. If you can't even imagine how it's going to king's your life. She says I can handle this. And then Michael softly touch my face with US me. I won't being able to be there for you. He said it's just too huge. A this is like the end of a Western golden softly touch my face. And then he got up onto his horse and rode away from the town. Just saved us the mayor of now I gotTa say Michael Bolton comes off quite well in this whole narrative Michael Bolton is like the unsung hero of the OJ Simpson trial while. He is the one person who doesn't emerge looking worse. My Bolton looks much better if you know primarily through his work and the Simpson Simpson trial early. He's touching Paulo. Barbie areas cheeks alley before he sends her into like this nightmare. Yeah no kidding I mean she yeah you have. She should have she should have balanced. I know if you've been there but I also don't WanNa blame her like it. Seems like it's very understandable that she didn't I don't WanNa be the entertainment weekly personal. It'd be like Oh then. Why did you take him back? It seemed like he needed rescuing. I think you're coming at it from a different direction because I think what you're saying is that you want good things for Pala. Yeah taste and you want her to open able to be like you know what this is not my problem right you know. He doesn't have squatters rights. I broke up earlier in the day. Yeah you want her to be able to move on. I think the situation is kissed. That she clearly wasn't ready and that she felt like she's been competing with Nicole this entire time time and now Nicole is finally gone right. That doesn't mean she wanted this to happen Brett. It doesn't mean it's her fault but it's true like he used to be mostly emotionally independent on Nicole and she could never got past that and now Nicole. Isn't there anymore. Because he killed her right so he has to be dependent on pollen now now right that she believes him to be innocent at this point she perceives it as like supporting her boyfriend through like an ordeal in which he's being blamed for this tragic event that he had nothing to do it and even if she believed to be guilty you know people people stay in relationships with people who guilty that happens to. You know it's a complicated moral calculus but a lot of it often has to do with feeling that someone truly needs you because if they're in jail l. you know they do and also like guilty people need love. I'm the first to announce that position publicly. You Know Ger- and so it flies back to L. A.. where she's picked up by Allen Park who's the same limo driver who drove OJ to the airport? The night of the murders yes foreshadowing. She's taken deep into into San Fernando Valley deep into the Valley to Robert Kardashians House. workday is being kept so wait. Who the fuck is Robert Kardashian are? Are there just friends yeah. Robert Kardashian is a random Armenian millionaire who is an old friend of OJ Simpson's and to basically reactivates the activates his while license. I don't think the right terminology. She that sounds like superheroes language but he re animates yes. He ran a mates himself as a lawyer to become a member of. OJ's defense team. I think most valuable to the defense team as has a an old and trusted friend of. OJ's okay so OJ staying at his house and so she goes to men with Oj. At that giant House Robert Kardashians House is essentially that facto headquarters of of the defense team right now because Oj has already brought Robert Shapiro on board as his lawyer. Royer and Paula actually knows Bob Shapiro from earlier. Because she's been a Hollywood mover and Shaker for your few years. He's kind of known as a lawyer here too the stars lawyer and she writes and now I was back at okay side backward I belonged. She say she thanks a lot about the various guns org has that he has guns locked in his office at home and a revolver he keeps in the car and this also makes her think even if Oj was capable of Oh killing someone acclaim. I would not accept. Why use a knife when he had a gun? I mean that sounds like the Internet sleuth theory. That happens after any terrible thing where people people are like well. His linked in profile says he used to live in Fresno. So why would he kill someone in L. A. Like words like you're just taking these random pieces of evidence evidence and trying to fit them into some sort of narrative when they're actually kind of meaningless right like it doesn't to me it doesn't feel it's not like Oh yeah you know because I mean to me. The first thing I think of is like well killing. Someone with a gun isn't personal. You wouldn't kill Your ex-wife or you still recessed with with a gun you know like maybe you would but I I much more straggling associate this kind of this close up. You know I can see the power. I have over you form of assault with the kind of domestic abuse. He's been subjecting her to for all this time where it's close up close range battery and the other thing that she says that a lot of people people said as you know well why would he throw away his whole life. Why would he do that? That's not logical. It doesn't make sense. He had everything he had all the money. Money in the world he had fame. He had the love of public. Like why would he throw that away and it's like well because murder isn't irrational decision. Right why would he tees his wife about making. Ah Gaining too much weight. Like that's not logical like nothing he's done so far as lingerie domestic. Violence isn't like yell either. But he did that for fifteen years. Yeah but Paul immediately goes into this mindset of like we have to protect Like OJ might kill himself. OJ's really fragile right now. OJ's as in a bad place. I have to protect them and keep his spirits up and like make sure that you know that he's safe. That's my only job and that's all I have have to think about that. So she's at O.. J.'s house okay has come home from Nicole's viewing the funeral will follow that. She writes that afternoon afternoon. I heard some noise at the front door and rex to the entry way it was. OJ shellshocked he seems so sad and beaten his face was drawn his brawny shoulders hunched down. He looked somehow smaller than the cheerful confident. Man I'd left four days before seeing Nicole and her casket must have destroyed him. Did he see her in the casket. I thought she was almost decapitated she was but they still had An open casket funeral for her. He spent what what people all described as as a worrying amount of time at the open casket during the viewing so she writes. He hugged me he with more need than strength. Like a man clinging to a life raft in the middle of the ocean. She takes into his room. She helps him undress. And there's a well line that has just you're just August read it to you. I watched him crumple into bed. That was a knife to my heart to see. The most exuberant person person in the world looked so helpless and vulnerable. I don't know what to make of that. It's so weird. It's just interesting to me. 'cause I assume this was ghost written and there's not a ghostwriter credited edited but this is like written and a very polished yet. I'm a freelancer dancing as fast as I can kind of like that I know it. It's I know how it's done. This is published doc. WASHBURN Little Brown. Who knows how many people worked on this project? It's stunning to me. That no one at any time in the process said maybe we shouldn't and let policy or the person reading policy that anything was metaphorically like a knife turn anywhere. There should be some control F for like a couple of key words before they publish these books. Yes exactly and it's just like it is clear based on the counter. All emotional tenor of the whole thing that she is describing and her attitude Tordo Jan the way. She's seeing him that you know. If there's any truth to this at all. She is just fixating on how wounded he is. And how how we he is and how he's a little less lamb and he hates her. You know and how he is being so traumatized by the horrific murder of his wife An and she's just not allowing herself to have the fat or to hear the thoughts you know the the murder was so terrible because he probably committed it right. Does she ever have a conversation with him where she's like. I need to know what you were doing at ten thirty PM on June twelfth. Not that she writes about and what happened is that she immediately. She essentially comes out. As a member of the defense comes out like publicly like media swarming around. I guess I immediately yeah. I like her mom and Panama City Florida's being besieged by Jesus those time before all the journalist got laid off and there were still enough bodies to do stuff like that. Nearly thirty people said he Florida for the mom of the girlfriend. Yeah Yeah I feel like the okay. Simpson trial was like when unions were strong. It is so much media work you know Okay Simpson. So they're keeping okay sedated. At the Kardashian manse like medically medically yeah. Dr Saul Fairstein. A psychiatrist to the Dream Team has brought on gives policy sedatives and tells her to give Jay pill in the morning joining in a pill at night and to make sure that he doesn't have access to the bottle wink wink like a dog. This is great though. I'm at the owner of the House. Robert Kardashian who'd been out with okay that afternoon. He was short intense friendly but contained like Church or out of the godfather with some big secrets to protect Blau Kardashian. Said they'd been staying saying with okay every minute the only time. OJ had been on. His own was in the bathroom. Now would be my turn. So she's a sanctuary guarding him. Like they have him on suicide sidewalks and the Kardashian home and Encino there's interesting psychology going on here with the Kardashian to very interesting thing for a man to do for another other man. He's doing what Paul is doing doing. Exactly what Paul is doing. He's going into rescue ever thought of that before but not for romantic reasons. Just for like personal. I guess he's just like an empathic dude. But in that way. Like men saint fixated on okay right because and the same way that when. Okay Matt Nicole. She was like who. What whose idea Samson then right when Paula Matt Oj? She was like cou what. Yeah but Robert Kardashian knows golden age. OJ Simpson Friendship was forged in that time when he feels that kind of loyalty to like bright past OJ and the way that a lot of men seem to do the way you do to like John Lennon. Or the way that people get fixated on these entertainment star who are sort of larger than actual people to them So she sits there that night and watch his okay sleep. She mentally plays back the answering machine a message that she had left for him on Sunday morning and says to herself had. I said the wrong thing had I somehow set off this terrible chain of events without assumes that he she killed Nicole yes. That's what I've been thinking right like. Isn't there tacitly in there right like if it. If he didn't kill anyone then why would it matter what she said to him that morning. Okay Yeah Paula Barbieri. It would be very easy to cross. Examine the next morning she Lays out his clothes for him to wear to the funeral she writes I did all I could. But how do you help a man who seems dead inside how do you give him his life back and so she cleans the room and makes the bed with new sheets. This is the epitome of women's work. Right you're like my boyfriend has been accused of murder and I'm so so I'm going to come to his aid. Emotionally and I will clean his house burning. She writes about you know everyone has the TV on downstairs and she here is just little stray words about trails of blood about gloves about you. Know essentially the evidence that's already coming Out in the media right against okay son and she says I shut my ears to all of it. It's so weird. How so? It's a person who is just not showing interest in any other person. It's just fascinating to me. Why wouldn't you want to know some details about the crime that your boyfriend is accused of like it's right baffling it's totally baffling thing to me? Well if you're already thinking to yourself like are the murderers my fault. I mean not that he committed them but are they my fall away. That could not possibly connect logically. Yeah so at that point you really have to shield yourself from any information. That could could be damning guess and he gets back from the funeral and he's as you know he's still drugged but he apparently will just say out of nowhere. Who would do this to Nicole? So the morning of June Seventeenth Ninth Paula leaves. Oj groggily watching another movie on SEM. which is his favorite channel and goes downstairs to get some cantaloupe? Hello P- which is his favourite breakfast. Okay and the kitchen. I found Bob Shapiro. Okays newly appointed attorney freshly creased as always Bob tells does her that she needs to say downstairs and the Cannell of needs to wait because he needs to go upstairs and talk to Oj. Because it's it's time for them to tell Oj that they're taking him into Parker Center to give himself up and be arrested okay the LAPD thing Parker Center is the lapd the headquarters at this. Time and Paula is completely shocked because she has been focusing on keeping him afloat emotionally for another hour and the way Paula describes it after. Okay gets the news that he's going to have to go in and be arrested. There's this eerie sense that he is saying Vita everyone. In key rights later at LE- She's convinced that he's going to kill himself as soon as possible out not in Robert Kardashians House but somewhere soon and and so his friend. AC cowlings comes over. She describes him Nokia's crying together and he gets out some some paper and starts writing and and writes the letter that Robert Kardashian will read to the public. Yes one of the few scenes. I remember for the Brian Murphy Show around this time. Okay says Apollo I want you to go. I don't want you to be around when the presser here. I I want you to be able to read it to you. She says he looks at her and says Paula Woah. I don't want you here with all the photographers coming. You should be with. Your family flees. Pack your things and go. I was moved by his effort to protect me to gain some control over the time. I'm all around him. I'll wait until you leave and then I'll go. I said don't argue with me. He said Moore pleading than impatient. Get your stuff together and halftime. Come get you and basically he gets his way and puts her in a car. She says I love you. I'll be there for you. I love you. I'll be there for you. And he's like listen. Remember that guy told me about that you knew in high school who is like out Christian and never would have cheated on his partner and you always talk about and when I say that all men she go home and marry that guy. That's like some Harry Henderson ship. That's also such a fucking abuser. Move the all men. Cheat Bullshit Walsh it. That's like it's like such a classic like I'm GonNa Cheat on you move. He has been reading. Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus. Oh Oh yeah and you know. She doesn't want to be sent away and she writes about feeling like it was quote us against the world also a bad sign. What do you remember that got free from the letter? Thank you yes that was also seeing stars. I don't know I mean I don't. I'm sure many many people say that who are not an abusive relationships. And it's totally fine. But it's not a way of looking at the world that I like empathize ties with like understand on a gut level. I do and I have a really great relationship but we never like. It's US against the world like the anger. The haters raining down on. That's just a weird way to go through life thinking that you're constantly under assault. Yes and then she talks about. She's she's being driven home. And you know she gets suddenly thinks like an innocent man just like surrendering like a few didn't commit these murders than that doesn't make sense. And she says like he killed them didn't he. I think she's like no no he didn't of course he didn't you know and like he like these moments erupt and her a big. She just like immediately smothers them basically and so. She goes to her friend. Tom's house and the police come to talk to her. Their helicopters overhead allow. Oh Wow and tom says Paula. There's a path on the side of the mountain. You can make it out the back way. And she's like no. I'm not going to run down the mountain like I didn't think thanks talk to the police and the police come and talk to her and she doesn't know anything and then she. You know like the rest of America is watching TV and no one knows where. OJ Is or where he disappeared to. All they know is that he has he and Ian. AC of have runoff runoff from our record actions house instead of turning himself in and Robert Kardashian as remember reads her letter aloud on TV. So this is the Bronco Chase has started no this is before. Oh so he right so he disappears. It's coming back to me now. To Disappears Kardashian reads this like suicide aside. Note Ish letter and then we learn about the Bronco Right. Yes so let's actually Andrey before the Bronco Chase. Okay we'll pick that up with Marcia about that guy and so let's end with what okay wrote to Paula in his may be a suicide note. Maybe not let her Paula. What can I say you more special? I'm sorry we're not going to have our chance. God brought you to me. I now see as I leave. You'll be in my thoughts. It seems like the Universe is calling out for her to leave this guy but it sounds like she didn't and she's within throughout the whole trial or she knocked. No she was ono. Okay so but well what do you think of that what he wrote. She should've left. How come like based on that? I mean it's so dumb to be like she should have left because people don't always behave and emotionally elite perfect ways. I mean to me. I just think that I think a thing that is very difficult for most people to understand. Is that in relationships. A lot of like are attraction to other people has a big component of the role that they allow us to play that they allow us to care or be taken care of. That's a big a big component of what makes you feel comfortable with another person in a way that is often invisible to you and it sounds like. OJ was just pressing all of her. Like I need to take care of buttons and like we're GonNa get through this together thing I mean I mean I always think of the guy that I dated in Denmark who was like really boring and nothing was working and like we weren't that attracted to each other and then I met up with him to break up with him and then he mentioned sort of offhand. He's like yeah I I. I grew up in an orphanage in like my parents are like alcoholics and like I'm still in a various legal battles and immediately my brain I was like I can make this work work. It was like ooh like. Maybe maybe it's worth a Shar you Paula. I think everybody's a little bit of apology. Our we're all we've all got got pollen us. Yes about the fact that policy twenty-seven what were you like when you were twenty seven. I was literally twenty-seven so you did exactly exactly what she's like. Okay I break up with you. And he's like but I'm going to say nothing about this as working and then it's like oh but now it's it's like complicated in this thing and like you need me right and you need that sort of draws you in but it's also like it's the only way that she's going to have any power in relationship with Oj Simpson. I mean it actually reminds me of my favourite novel. Jane Eyre that I wrote a terrible master's thesis about where the fact that the character of Mr Rochester is like a good brooding lover but probably bad husband material and the way to get around. That is spoiler alert by making him like mostly blind and losing the use of one hand which is a sanctuary like she can only have power in the relationship because he's disabled now. Apollo Barbieri is experiencing her Jane. Eyre moment like this is like on mean review. We read said that this reads like a romance novel and it does because this. This is like a romance. duffle plot right honest right there brought together because he needs her like these are the stories that girls are told higher. Alive tail is all this time. I guess if the same story was told and like he didn't do it it would take on would be like she would be played by the Real Julia Rub. Yes it would take on a whole different tenor right. Like she is standing with him through through. This horrifying ordeal and like her instincts are good in this particular case. Like the coin flip is like it's it's not somebody who is worthy of this rescue mission that she's attempting or I mean if you really want to blame her and be like nineteen ninety four people like she should have shown more interest in the actual facts of the case before she launched the rescue mission. It's interesting I guess we're getting into a quest can of like what is the moral roll value of what she did I guess and I. I don't think she did anything wrong. I think that Paul is only victim. Is Paula Iraq right. Yeah and and the only question is whether she now regrets the year and a half of her life that she gave to supporting Oj during his trial on the fact that she rushed rush back into this relationship and stayed in it right and that's that's for her workout. It is weird like the moral culpability of being cool. Loyal is weird weird because in a way it's a virtue but then if you also don't have limits to that loyalty right and it can be enabling and it can be really bad x ray enabling you can put and and you can play other people in danger as I mean. That's not the case here but we can become complicit in violence in an abuse if we have undue loyalty loyalty toward dangerous people. Write your opinion of her depends on whether or not you think that the information was available to her to put a limit on her loyalty at that. Well I feel like I I mean. Obviously the information was available to her because she was effectively. A member of the defense team like she could've doc pulled Berry Shack aside at any time and been like so tell me like a CNA stuff work. She didn't and my a sense of what happened with her is that she was so attached to Oj an attached to the position that she found herself in now that he was in jail and now that he was acting entirely emotionally dependent on her. She wanted to stay in the relationship and she felt that it was her job. Bob San Their relationship. Maybe not as as she didn't see the relationship as romantic. She told herself wasn't romantic. She told herself that she was there. Like as this has friend but regardless of what label you put on it. She was there as his unconditional supporter and protector. and to me like. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like clearly. Really that was. She couldn't do anything else or she would have because anything else would have been better for her. The point is I think that there is a great sense of public judgment against turn during against any woman who do something similar and I don't entirely understand where that comes from. I mean maybe people found out that she was dating Michael Bolton and that's I heard people's video I helped her. It was ninety. Four people loved people. Loved my home. And we're going to stop here for now if you WANNA find out what happens next before we release another episode. There are other sources of information nations. Are we directing people to other to other shows. I think there are other shows. I think they're making a funny show. Because it's a comical understatement. That was what the joke was. Thank you for destroy. You have to tell me these things beforehand in front of our children. I'm saying if you find yourself thinking there's only three episodes at this okay Simpson series. I need more and if you somehow I don't know that there's other stuff out there there is personally I'm not looking up shit because I don't want boilers no. You don't get to. Everyone says I'm not talking talking to everyone by you. Yes you have to stay like OJ. Simpson wants said to Paula Barbieri. As far as I'm concerned you were a virgin before you met me. Oh Oh my God Oh yes real gross yeah it was a light and funny and then. OJ's it's gross. What what what are you most excited to learn about next like? What are you most curious about? I'm so excited talk about Marcia Clark next time next time Marcia Clark to be continued Glenn Eleven eleven drink it in her honour yeah. That's her favorite. I'M GONNA change my hairstyle and nobody's going to care because men can do that. Some people can't

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"Hey, I'm Brad milkey, and I hosted new daily news podcast from ABC news called start here. Every day we get you up to speed on the story that are going to be driving your day. We get important context from experts with on the ground access, and we do it all in twenty minutes. So start smart and subscribe to start here. Is there something that interferes with your happiness, or is preventing you from cheating, your goals, better help online counseling? Is there for you? Connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment, schedule secure video, or phone sessions, plus chat, and text with your therapist listeners. Get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash Nightline. It's a rare inside look at the forty fifth. President. ABC news exclusive access over two days. Welcome surprise reporters whom he's called the enemy of the people. Our chief anchor George Stephanopoulos, there from the moment. The president began his day morning. Ms president, are you to the very end with some very candid moments in between some put up they get it because it's a, it's a fantastic financial statement. It's a fantastic financial seven, and let's do that over. He's coughing in the middle of my aunts. Yeah. I don't like that. You know, when your cheapest you get a cough parole. Shot over here. This kid you just can't just to change. Sorry. Okay. You want to do that a little differently than we just change. We I hit the campaign trail and Iowa with the commander in chief, as he prepares to officially launch his bid for a second term hitching variety this brand new presidential limo the beast, his people so incredible, look crying. What's your pitch to the swing voter on the fence safety security, great economy? And I think I've done more than any of the first term president ever. I have a phony witch hunt, which is just a phony pilots Malla comes out. There's no collusion and essentially a ruling that no obstruction and they keep going with, you know what people are angry about it. I don't think that's infallible. You don't have time for that, now, we'll talk as later found excuse me. He found no collision, and he didn't find anything having to do with obstruction because they made a ruling based on his findings, and they said, no didn't examine collusion. He laid out Evanson stretchable. You trying to say now that there was collusion, even though he said there is no collusion. He didn't think there's no collusion. He said he didn't look Jewish. The report said, no collusion. Did you either? Yes. I did you should read it too. You should read it show us around in the Oval Office the next day, the president still defending himself, but he didn't look at Kobe port. I did he said that he there was insufficient evidence to say there was a conspiracy every pollution of the report. Just read it. Okay. Sometimes they have false fights like the Russian witch-hunt. That's a false fight, that's a made up hoax. And I had to fight his report says they had a systematic attempt to interfere. They did but not me and they also said, okay that we rebuffed them. Okay. Well, they said your campaign. Welcome to help excuse me. The camp Trump campaign, rebuffed them now, anything having to do with Russia had nothing to do with our campaign, Paul Manafort, Paul Manafort. They have Paul Manafort, on taxes, and many other things nothing polling information to the Russian. I don't know anything about that. What, what difference is pulling information, make it doesn't matter. And Putin, I will say. This. If he had it, it was up to him he would much rather have Hillary Clinton be president right now. And all of these countries would rather have Biden or anybody else. But Trump okay, let's put yourself in a position Europe congressman somebody comes up and says, hey, I have information on your opponent. You cool, the FBI coming from Michael you do. I've seen a lot of things over my life. I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI. This is somebody that said we have information on your opponent. Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break. Lifeless director says that's what should happen. The FBI director is wrong, your campaign, this time round of foreigners. If Russia if China if someone else offers you information on opponent should they accept it. Or should they call the FBI? I think maybe you do both. I think you might wanna listen. I don't this nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called from country Norway, we have information on your opponent. Oh, I think I'd wanna hear you want that kind of interference in our election. It's not an ad say have information I think I'd take it if I thought there was something wrong. I'd go maybe to the FBI, if I thought there was something wrong those comments became the subject of swift backlash. Two days later, Trump telling Fox News, he would still look at the dirt, but of course you have to look at it. Because if you don't look at it, you're not gonna know of its bad how you gonna know of it's bad. But of course you give it to the FBI or reported to the attorney general or somebody yesterday in an interview with my colleague Jonathan, Karl Representative Alexandria, Cossio Cortez, said that the time for an impeachment inquiry was now, I think every day that passes the pressure to impeach growth. Meanwhile, speaker Nancy Pelosi, you see it in downplay Democrats efforts to impeach. I don't think there's anything more divisive. We can do than to impeach a president of the United States. Out in the trail with the president. Vice president, Joe Biden is also on the ground and on the attack. I believe that the president is literally, an existential threat to America piece still leading the bowls on the democratic side. It's tightening up a little bit, and a lot, which is interesting. But he's still beating you coordinate the poll. I don't believe those Paul's. There's no way he'd beats me in Texas. But even your own polls show, your behind right now, don't they know my Foale show that I'm winning everywhere. Those poll results. So all consuming for the president did a few seconds later. He went off the record to call his campaign manager. Okay. So hold it off for just call Brennan days later, ABC news obtained, some of it internal Trump polling data confirmed by the campaign, that showed the president far behind in key, battleground states earlier this spring, put the campaign said that MAURICE impose show, a vast improvements. Good morning miss. President back in the White House. The next day that polling still on the president's mind than good. Morning America today. They had that phony polling information I explained to you last night that it was phony. But you didn't do anything about it. Does it bother? You. Because it's untrue. I like the truth. You know, I'm actually very honest guy if I thought they were correct, I wouldn't be complaining at all. I understand that. It's like the witch hunt that goes on. No collusion with Russia. There was no collusion by Sunday. The Trump campaign head cut ties with a number of its posters. Well overseas. The president is taken out of the box approach to foreign policy striking and unusually warm relationship with North Korean dictator, Kim Jong Hoon night, just received a beautiful letter from Kim Jong UN, and I think the relationship is very well. But I appreciated the letter one year ago today we were in Singapore. And you also put up that tweet there's no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea. But there is a nuclear threat today could change. I would say not much there's been no nuclear testing except for very short Grange. And that's something that a lot of nations tests, frankly, what he tested. I think we've made tremendous progress. You think he's still building nuclear weap-? I don't. No, I hope not. He promised me, he wouldn't be he promised me. He wouldn't be testing. So you still trust him. What look I couldn't tell you that it would be very insulting to him. But the answer is a yeah. I believe that he would like to do something. I believe he respects me. We playing you too. Well, look, I put on sanctions. The sanctions Iraq, we've gotten our hostages back. We've gotten the remains of our great heroes, George asked the president about the return of one American college student auto Warmby who came back from North Korea in a coma to- state in later. Dying brazenly, the North Koreans reportedly Bill, the United States, two million dollars for warm beers, medical care, did they try to make you pay for outta warmbier. What when you say me now states because I didn't know him at that time that was a very different deal. But here's the bottom line. I ended it. We didn't pay and I have great respect for autos. Parents. And what happened to auto is horrible, horrible. But we never paid for auto the uncertain relationship with North Korea will likely follow him as the campaign cycle heats up. Thank you very much Iowa. We love our. Thank you very much. I Trump has his eye, of course, on the twenty twenty campaign be so so thinking about his legacy on his agenda, a redesign Air Force One. So, you know, the big news is we ordered a new play. It's the first time since the Kennedys, who changed the color from orange to iconic blue and white red, white and blue. He designed it. Whose time a striking resemblance to Trump's personal plane known as Trump force one. Are thirty hours with President Trump ins here in the White House with the serenade by the marine bane. He and the first lady ascend the stairs to their private quarters. Most traditional of rituals for most untraditional present. You can watch the interviews with the president from that thirty our time period on ABC news dot com. Next OJ Simpson's, I tweet twenty five years after the police pursuit that gripped the nation. Better help offers licensed professional counselors specialized in a wide array of issues, like depression, anxiety, and grief. Connect with your professional counselor in a safe, private online environment. It's a truly affordable option and listeners can get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash Nightline fill out a questionnaire to help them this your needs and get matched with a counselor. You'll love. Get cashback for shopping, you were already going to do racketed in is a free member base. Loyalty program that lets you earn cashback on shopping over twenty five hundred stores like Macy's best, buy, Nike, and more. Shop online internet percentage of every purchase you make up to forty percent cashback every three months members are paid the pay pal or another method sign up today. Racketed dot com. That's our A, K, U, T E, N dot com. OJ Simpson has joined Twitter going public Africa. A low profile since is released from prison two years ago on his mind, the Kurdish eons. Here's ABC's Linsey Davis. Hey Twitter world. This is yours truly now coming soon, the Twitter, you'll get their read. All my thoughts and opinions on just about everything. Juice is back on the loose. This time on Twitter should be a lot of fun. I got a little gin even to do OJ Simpson. Joining the social media site. Racking up nearly seven hundred thousand followers and counting since its first post this weekend, don't for years. People have been able to say what ever they want to see about me with no accountability. The challenge a lot that VS and set the record straight for the last two years. He's been living in this gated community in Las Vegas, but that quiet life may now be behind him. Top trending order of business. The car dashing slapping, down rumors that he was romantically involved with his lawyer. Rob Kardashians wife. Kris Jenner also denying that he's chloe's real father, all of these stories are just bogus bet you'll tasteless. Khloe like all the girls. I'm very proud of just, like I know Bob would be if he was here. But the simple facts that about is she's knock nine for some Simpson's Twitter page is opening old wounds. I feel anxious again. It's, it's, it's hard. It's just, you know, he he's living a very large life. He's he's revered in Las Vegas, and now to see the responsiveness getting on Twitter. It's hard Kim Goldman's brother run was murdered alongside Simpson's ex-wife, Nicole Brown. Simpson, OJ Simpson was put on trial for their murders but was acquitted in what was called the trial of the century not guilty of the crime of murder. I try to figure out a place to put it in my life, so that it doesn't suffocate me. So while other people can just turn off the television or turn the, the magazine over it, it leaves a Mark reactional mind who's new phone Twitter. Fame scathing, Chelsea handler writing. Let's all take a moment to be. OJ Simpson joined Twitter and not Trump's cabinet. Billy Eichner slamming OJ's followers tweeting. Seriously, what the bleep is wrong with you. Good even and John Oliver prodding the particulars of his cryptic message walked getting even means OSHA when you kill two, people, you even three people you all full people even again, I don't know. Station to locate one eighty seven suspect Simpson sending out his inaugural tweet twenty five years after the infamous Bronco chase that riveted the country, we've been outside OJ Simpson's house all day long. ABC's Jim Avila was a local reporter in Los Angeles with a front row seat to those early moments city of Los Angeles. At that time was standing still. I mean, everything stopped the Bronco chase captivated the nation. In fact, we might even say if it was to be getting, maybe the launch even before it was falled at reality TV all broadcast live ninety five million people watching all the one of the biggest names of the time he was bigger than light bigger than race bigger than sports because he combined all of those things. So now you have OJ Cass in a whole different role now OJ Simpson. And accused murderer that chase marked the beginning of what became a media circus Simpson was put on trial for the. Murder of his ex-wife and her friend, millions watching every twist and turn of the court proceedings, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit it became a national reckoning. Exposing long simmering racial tensions, and ongoing distrust of the Los Angeles Police Department in the end jury acquitted Simpson after only three hours of deliberation. We all got a lesson in how divided this country? Was it wasn't a trial about J Simpson's guilt or innocence? It was a trial of the Los Angeles Police Department. Kim, Goldman was there in court and all these years later, she still grappling with what happened. I learned very quickly in the truth doesn't really need to show up in a courtroom. Honored isn't really have to take place in a courtroom, because it didn't give us what we deserve. She created a podcast called confronting OJ Simpson coming face to face with some of the key players involved in the case many who became household names less than two years after the criminal case, OJ Simpson was found liable for the deaths of Nicole, and Ron in a civil trial, the judgment for both families was thirty three and a half million dollars as he willingly paid anything. No. The only Justice that would've mattered when it comes right down to it as that he would have been in jail on death row. But in two thousand seven surveillance video captured Simpson stealing sports memorabilia, from a hotel room in Las Vegas. The charges landed him in a courtroom again, this time Simpson would end up in prison convicted of robbery and kidnapping, but in two thousand seventeen he was released on parole, after serving nine years. He's lived his life. He's had opportunities to do things. Ron didn't Simpson told the Associated Press we don't need to go back and relive the worst day of our lives. The subject of the moment is the subject. I will never revisit, again, my family and I have moved onto what we call the no negative zone. We focus on the positives at the end of the day. OJ Simpson represented controversy conflict division. And these were the things in fact in any season, any Eero, that's always going to draw a mass audience mass attention to talk about everything as for how much attention, we may be just one tweet away from knowing for Nightline. I'm Lindsay Davis in New York. 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Hour 3: Ron Magill

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Hour 3: Ron Magill

"The. So Ron McGill is very popular here. Although I think he was unseated last week. If most popular segment by Tim Kirk, and we will get to your calls for Ron McGill about the animal kingdom in a second. But I need to tell you, that is found the definitive list of top ten crews songs of all time. So he will be sprinkling it in here amid all of the callers telephone telephone number seventy six four five, six four eight three seven. Let's start with number ten to Janet from crews songs dot com. Kokomo is number ten. Reggie, you're on with Ron McGill zoo Miami. Go ahead. Reggie. Hey Ron, I don't know if you saw like a week or so ago there's like a swarm of bees like Padres game. It seems like this happened once or twice a summer what causes all these beads to, like, suddenly be. They're swarming around at a game. And like, what are they have to do to get rid of them? Thanks. Well. What they're usually doing their as following the Queen Queen is going somewhere to relocate. It just happens to be. She may have landed in the stadium someplace and all these all these worker, bees are following that Queen getting ready to establish other hive. It just happens to be. She is nothing in particular that might have drawn to that area, except for maybe some heat or some smell or something. But generally speaking, she just flying to find an area where they can start a new hive and all those other bees are following her to get those bees out of there. You gotta find that Queen and move around, and they will follow. Number nine Stu got three little birds. Ronna follow up on the bees. Do you totally dismiss the idea that there's a chance that maybe the bees just wanted to have an outing? Yes, I totally do. Number. Miami. Right. If we can clone animals like sheep and Beezer and danger. Why haven't we been able to clone B's yet? It's not a matter of, of cloning animals to, to, to have it exist. How do we keep it alive? Why are the bees? Dying is gonna make any sense to clone animals. It's just going to die. They're having these these these, these colonies just wiped out. And it's just that's what we have to find out what is killing the bees. It's not a matter of getting them to reproduce. What is killing the bees? So certainly, Kony might be something the thing about in the future, something's actually becoming endangered. But if can't keep it alive, once it's there. What's the sense, but Ron humans have outings? So do you know for a fact that a B would never want to have an outing? I don't know. I. Number seven to don't worry be happy. Ron is there something the Padres could have done differently. They could have had a beekeeper come out the other day. They came out and just killed a bunch of bees, just killed them. And I'm wondering how that situation can be handled because nobody wants to be sitting in a baseball games around about around being right? Well, first of all, people are swimming all these, these out the sting. You really don't want anything to do with you. If you look at people like beekeepers go in there, many of them don't even wear protective clothing, and they transferred the bees, without ever, getting stung, the keeping to move the Queen, I think, in that situation where we're talking about, you know, public, safety or public perception of safety, and they didn't have the time or the money at the time to hire. Beer beekeeper to get into look for the Queen and move it out. And you know, you're got players out there that are making 'cause billion dollars a day, and you're paying them to wait for Easter move. So they had to get that of quickly as possible, number six guts, Southern Cross. You're on with Ron McGill of zoo Miami, go head Jose. Hey Ron, my daughter has become anonymous advocate like, once you really dislike with the roaches, Jess stop eating meat do through watching videos on YouTube. How do I get my daughter? How do I get my daughter's head that eating meat is healthy for human and for humanity because, you know, animals are going to overtake if we don't eat? Well, I don't think that's too, that animals are gonna overtake if we don't eat meat. What I was just to her, and I understand her reasons for not eating meat. There's a lot of the meat that we harvest isn't harvested in the very humane way, I think if she starts to understand the circle of life, and I understand that they're going to be listening who are vegans vegetarians. They're going to just lash out at me. But I also believe that animal protein is a normal part of our diet. You know, for the longest time, they say, they'll look at the chimpanzees. Why can't be more like chimpanzees since their ninety eight point eight percents unethically dental? Does they just eat fruits and vegetables, such peaceful animals until, you know, Jayne good on other research studies and realize that not only that peaceful animals that actually go out there and kill other monkeys, and eat them? And that meet does play a major part in their and their diet. I'm not saying we have to go out and act like animals. I think we need to be humane in the way we raise our livestock, in the way we harvest our livestock. But I personally do believe that animal protein is natural part of our diet. We are omnivores like bidders number five to God's Darabi and Queen. Ron, yours zoo, Miami just had the public debut of a of a newborn one horn Indian rhino. Why is that significant? Why was that a big deal? Well, it's a big deal for us and really for anybody who's dealing with the species, because it was the first time ever that a birth was the result of a combination of induced, relation, and artificial insemination. I mean that's really incredible stuff that we can get this female to ovulate artificially. We can collect the semen from the male, the male female in so many, and she takes this baby determine it's beautiful healthy baby. That is a huge advantage for these manage programs under human care where we're trying to keep these animals. A good insurance policy of population against the very unsure future for them in the wild number four xlt guts, red red wine. You're on with Ron McGill of zoo Miami. Go ahead. A lot on. I'm calling 'cause I saw bald eagles mating and mid air. And I thought it was cool. And I was wondering what what your favorite animal mating ritual is? Well what you probably saw eagles. Not really mating in mid air. They're probably jousting and, and combining their talents and they come down like a big helicopter when they do that. And people may think it's mating that actual meeting the meeting actually takes place on the top of a tree, or females at one branch in the mail just kinda amounts from behind. That's the actual meeting, but the courtship and the stuff that you see in the air is quite dramatic as far as my favorite animal mating goes, geez. It's gotta be like the mannequin birds these birds do this incredible dance, and you see the female, the male spectacular. They look like jewelry store, but the females are very blase. And this is just killing stuff. He doesn't stand. He looks like Michael Jackson moonwalking back and forth and do this incredible splash, feathering and colors and stuff and the female, sometimes any paying attention. But the male seems so desperate. And then the female does one thing subtle thing that says, okay, it's okay and then boom, it's done it, but it sounds like three or four seconds. He puts his so much work for that three or four seconds. It's got to be the best or four seconds in life. Rick Pitino number three's to God's one particular. Harbor. Your buffets on unless you got you know, if you have any arguments here, bringing up with crew songs dot com. Eric, you're on with Ron McGill. Go ahead. Okay. My name's Aaron first of all second ball. I have a two part question, the first part for, on is, is it true that there's a spider always six feet from you, ever you are because I'm a super around. And Secondly, I need you guys to bring back the smoke break with my PC please. It's a funny thing. You guys died laughing every time we read that. Well, as far as the question pertains to me. No, it's not true that there's always a spider six feet from you. No matter where you are. So don't worry about that. But there are a lot of spiders, around in there, and places that, you know, they're at most of the spiders in this world. You never see though they are close to, but there's not always a spider six feet from you. So relaxed number twos, to God's salloway. You're on with Ron McGill zoo Miami. Go ahead, Tim. Hey, Rana's one would that using sonar and all do they fly in the daytime? And do they migrate? They do fly in the daytime, and they generally speaking, do not migrate, they don't fly in the middle of the day, but they certainly fly at dusk, and dawn. So they have the light out than they do have decent eyesight. You know, that term blind is a bad is one of the biggest misconceptions in the world. They have pretty decent eyesight. Duston. You're on with Ron McGill. Go ahead. Ryan. Hey dustin. Listen. I just want to follow up with the b the event to the Padres had some kind of promotional event for the bees to come on different than the comb out as an outing and disrupt the game. Thank you. Custom. You can walk into the ocean to Jeff. You're on with Ron McGill zoo Miami. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm still laughing at that in the rich. Hey, Ron look, I don't wanna be too flipping about this 'cause I'm an actual crazy person. But I have a dog that I ended our support animal, and it occurred to me that she's the one who has hang out with crazy personal time. So if she needed to support animal of her own, what would you want? Well, you are in factor support animal that's the bottom line. So congratulations for helping your dog out through her life. What is the video that you have for us this week? And every segment this time, we will end it with stugatz number one, which were teasing for time spent listening because we know you're just sitting around waiting from cruise ships dot com. Ron. What's the video your play by play? Now, we're out, oh this crocodile sticking out of the other bathing. They got something to see clock. And I was gonna come out of the water people crocodiles can't come out of the water, but watch. So those of you who think that crocodiles cannot come and jump out of water think, again, because that looks like flipping shampoo coming out of a water, Hordley breached, the water going and all the tail strength. That's all the using its tail like a big rudder to send out of the water gives you an idea of how powerful those tales are. And that's why you don't mess with crocodile. It looks. Wants to waiting. I don't care about my segment of that video fake. It's a crock. Wow, you deliver that Jovan in the moment. Different Wayne timing. There. Doesn't really is. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate it, number one. And the number one crew song of all time, according to cruise songs dot com is toes. Worth it. Landline on here comes money drunk. Tolls. Those man Mike, all that. Tells. A bunch of people that don't know toes aren't come back with comeback. With what you're alleging is the number one crew song of all time, you've heard toes. I mean it just wouldn't know but when you hear it, you'll know exactly what we're talking. Yeah. The same not a word. Cold. Beer in my life is good today. No, it's not. Do it so much better than us. We'll come back in its ban stugatz here. The black talks believes every groom deserves a better experience when it comes to renting a suit or tuxedo for their big day, did you know, the black tux was actually started by two guys who had one of the worst tuxedo fittings you could imagine it. Turns out, they aren't alone in this frustration just listen to these one-star reviews from competitor tuck shops that shall not be named go elsewhere. This place is pretty terrible unless you're dressing, like your grandpa for Halloween. We felt weird buying a suit from somebody so unhappy we were frayed his bed vise my follow us to our wedding day. So we laughed just pick a style, the black ducks dot com. Request a free home try on, so you could feel the fit and quality before you commit from there. 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My hair is unfashionably age inappropriate long, perhaps, the longest has been since college and may continue as such. I'm not sure why last vestiges of the. Of the extreme outer limits of midlife crisis to God's futile shield held wobbly against the encroachment of mortality, maybe the last stage before the onset of mister Rogers styles sweaters and the silent surrendering acknowledgement of official old aid. All truth. You always wrote, you'd be like one of America's greatest on their DCC's lebatardshow with Stu gods on ESPN radio. Mike is the newest south beach session with Adam Karol out yet it is out. It is live. Go search south beat sessions on your favorite podcast provider. Subscribe rate review, and listen to this new one with Adam Corolla gets dark. Yeah. I was surprised where his comedy comes from even though comedy comes often from pain it really sounds like his father didn't love him. And so I don't wanna spoil it for you. But yeah, it's he's not doing a lot of laughing when he's talking about his relationship with his father. So check that out, south beach sessions. Adam Corolla this week before we talk more about what it is that happened last night in basketball. I haven't front of me at constructed wheel of Greg, Cody issues. Greg, cody. Has not been enough. A part of the show today. So let's see what this wheel lands on here. The topics on the wheel of the Greg, Cody wheel of topics. He says, he dodged a bullet today almost had to cancel his appearance at a Father's Day fiesta over a Miami Herald, conflict that he heroin we worked around you. Kevin Durant wavering legacy as Golden State continues to win without him a women's World Cup. Dolphins will be too good for to Howard Schnellenberger bleeped again. Burger Schnell burger. Sorry, what did I say Bara a fine, you left the two dollars? Tiger and a bunch of other guys begin the US open. Big papi? Are you allowed to be happy that OJ Simpson seems happy? Yes. That's not, that's not that's not where the wheel hard to believe it's now less than seven weeks till Greg Cody day at a Fort Myers. Minor league Gulbhar, thanks for bringing that up. All right. So it's on the wheel. I didn't bring it up. Let's go. Yes. Are we allowed to be happy that OJ Simpson? Sees happy. Did anybody else? See this, the Associated Press got an exclusive interview with OJ Simpson, who now lives in Las Vegas, and he seemed very content with his life plays golf every day, you know, very tranquil very happy. No regrets, nothing. And it, it struck me that I don't know what the right reaction to that is half the country thinks that he got away with double murder. He did nine years for robbery, I have a hard time believing OJ Simpson doesn't have any regrets. I have a hard time believing that I mean, none that he'll speak of you know, he calls that his his his no controversies own or something. He does not go back into Scots. What happened I think of three regrets. Yup. The very least three that I also they more than half the country believe that it could be. But the point is the story conveys a very content relatively happy OJ Simpson who says life is good. And I just wonder if if people. Are okay with that. Or if most people think you gotta with him living life, while the Goldman still suffer and want their civil suit money him living. The good life is something that many people are going to object to well, you okay with it. Are you are you happy? He seems happy for Jay which I think it's a question worth raising because, you know, if you believe the legal system. Okay. He was acquitted on double murder. He did time and pretty hard time for what he was convicted of. And now that he's done is time is he in titled to the happy, you're sitting out having an opinion you're just asking the just hash because I'm conflicted. I don't know how to feel about OG. Well, he's entitled because he's a free man the question you're asking is. Are you allowed to be happy that he's happy? Right. So are you happy that he's happy? You don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm sorry. Not everything is black and white. There are gray areas. This one's black and white. Black. And so you begrudge him any contaminates seventy-one, along, don't think he's allowed to live the rest of his life, and be content. Wow. A lot of you believe he got away with murder unhappiness. I didn't say any of that believe. You believe serve his time. And we're getting a pretty good idea what you believe in. No, he's just asking the question. The Dan, my believe it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that dude is guilty. No matter what the court system that about him and the penalty that he suffered for his crime for that crime that he suffered was too, large. Yes. I the one that from the memorabilia, but the one he didn't suffer for the other crime. That most people believe he committed that one. He he deserves a to not have a whole lot of freedom. But are you happy that he's currently happy? Does anyone want to answer this question? I, I don't think the question was. Are we allowed to be happy that OJ Simpson? By the way for thought provoking. No, you're not allowed to be happy that OJ Simpson. Seems have appear to be the right answer. But. Would you rather have a personal chef trainer driver or masseuse? You have all. Why do I have to choose? Donlevatar you want me to get real stugatz? I'll get real these live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. We will get back to last night's games, and we want to update some polls here as well at lebatardshow on Instagram and Twitter. But first, we believe this to be the greatest sound in the history of Stephen a Smith sound. It's a lot the library of great. Stephen a Smith sound is bountiful. But we believe that Stephen a Smith when asked about the OJ Simpson trial gave the best even a Smith sound. Any of us have ever heard? I have profound respect for the late Johnny Cochran God rest, his soul. But if it might be the cockiest thing that I've ever said. Christopher Dodd and Marsha clock. Didn't absolutely horrendous job as prosecutors. 'cause if it were me, there's no way in hell, Johnny Cochran would be in me with that evidence that I that they had I'm telling you right now. I'm not even lawyer there is no way that you would have put twelve jurors in front of me with that evidence. And I would have lost to even Johnny Cochran out at one that Trump, I've often said, well. Well. Often goes through sentences right there. I won that trial. I often said that is tremendous. He has of beating one of the best trial attorneys that we've ever seen, well, but because OJ Simpson was clearly guilty and everyone should have one that trial, I've often said. The most confident man in America, who's more confident than Steven. He's got to be the most confidence sports media. But that's not saying much that's you're the king of feces mountain there. It is saying a lot, no one is not the most confident, inspired buddies, cocky, everybody's gonna big ego. If you're talking to ports. Very insecure and variant, secure bagging in its insecure. Wow. Okay. You think it's not just because you're delusional confident about being bad. Everyone is. Yeah, exactly lebatardshow on Instagram and Twitter. You're welcome was very nice complimentary. I said, thank you. Charge show on Instagram and Twitter. Go to gut the Twitter bowls brought to you by Dollar Shave Club Dollar Shave Club delivers the products. You used a look feel and smell your best right to your door. Plus, with their hands and discount. The more you buy, the more you save go to dollarshaveclub dot com slash Dan. Very special offer. Again, at lebatardshow on Twitter, have you ever barred, a ho from a neighbor? Ridiculous question. Eighty one percent of the audience said no brother. No farmers in the audience has a neighbor ever day. Ho from you. Eighty three percent of the audience said no. Come on people. Would you watch channel just dedicated to blame? Be all over that thing fifty seven percent of the audience said. Yes. Does the active ho change your life? It's a big one. Sixty six percent of the audience. Greg said. Yes. Yeah. All right. Has Bill Simmons taken takes to a place that takes never been taken before seventy two percent of the audience said, yes, he has. He said he'd rather have looney than career as just it's looney. Those are the polls happy, fiftieth birthday to Peter Dink clinch a happy birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck little buddy. Characters name and game of thrones. He he wasn't Tyrian Tyrian. Let's get that Steph curry sound here on. Why it is that he walked back to the locker room with Kevin Durant. You don't often see that Mark Jackson pointed out that Andre Guatemala. And Steph curry, both starters walked rant back to back to the locker room. Let's hear Steph in his own words. Sometimes spirit tells you what to do. You don't really make decisions you just act on it. So I can't tell you what went through my head. Just fell. Right. Billy, why were you skeptical Billy there? You don't believe the spirit moved Steph curry. Why do you guys question all the emotion around the Golden State Warriors? Why not? I mean seriously, I think it was guilt. I'm hoping that the, the arenas haunted, and he just had ghost telling him what to do, which we create. Imagine if you just follow around, my ghosts, all the time, don't you feel that he is sometimes when he's shooting like it's cartoonish some of the stuff that he makes? Wow. So, like angels in the outfield. He has ghosts that are helping him make shots. Friendly goes a bunch of Casper's. Why is there only? Casper is a friendly goes because like all the other ghosts. You're usually scary doing bad things, but only casper forever. He's like, you know what I wanna be a friends very mischievous go star. There's only one friendly ghost. That's the only friendly ghost casper. When I can think of all the other ones are unfriendly, put it on the poll at lebatardshow is casper. The only friendly ghost and are all other ghosts unfriendly. It's kind of the same question but I, I don't know the answer to that is can somewhat. Why are you doing a bat of some sort? Christopher Cody when you see the angels, angels out phase was the oh, can join it. Sam does he was a nice ghost. Sam. Patrick swayze. Yeah. He's such a nice ghost. Had is doing what they were actually very careful like he didn't actually do like the act, right. He had no way of knowing the window is gonna fall down and impale and was space ghost ghost space, coast wasn't an actual. He's doing good work though. Space ghost was in an actual goes, he would he would just dress up like a ghost Abraham. Lincoln sightings are so common that he's called the White House ghost. Not a Jovan reading reading being helped all right? Is that what he was being? Yeah. No, that he was the White House was haunted by the internet. It's got to be true. It's terrifying ghosts Assi at the fact Jack. I don't believe fact. I don't one of America's most famous presidents is also one of our most famous ghost. It says right here kinetics your source. Yes. Right here that kind and one of our most famous ghosts. I let it in bloom in you can click on it, and get details. All right. Go ahead. And give us all the details. You have on this. Okay. Pleases fast as you can. Clicking. It's not very fast. You know, here we go was ABRAHAM LINCOLN, vampire hunter, probably not, or at least if there was there's no actual record of it. But there are plenty of unusual stories about the sixteenth president that you probably don't know like the fact that he was the first president to sport a beard. Where's this ghost talk? Bait a heck's going on. Here comes on a truck. Still looking for a ghost time. Donlevatar. I tell you, I have a knife Swiss army knife. And, you know, I'm ready to go. All right. Whatever you need, I can I can I can start a fire with two sticks just like year about of done it, stugatz. You've never done it. I have done it. No, you live in it. These live at our show with this to God's own ESPN radio. Greg, Cody of the Miami Herald is in with us. We will get to some of his topics in a moment because he is fired up. What are you laughing about just the show? He's fired up about women's World Cup damn. Yes. Five goal favorites. Damn, yes. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're a narrow favourite Mike would agree host France and Germany. I think are right there. Yes. But today we're expecting a goal fest against Thailand. Yeah, we're looking to win. I would say six one. I think they sneak in a cheap goal off hope five goal. Favorite though, is that. The hope hope hope Solo's hope so low is still the keeper. Okay. I'm glad we went to you on that. Excellent suggestion by you, again, my dime shi'as that kind of expertise bay. Why would you. What's the matter with you? Don't sit in the penalty box. Get out of here. Still the goalie by the way out of here. The worst you wanted to talk about women's world. Trying did it. I'm trying to. Poorly. Alex Morgan's not on the team. Woman, by the way. He just thinks it hopes keeper does he does he'll thinks he wanted to talk about that, that was his contribution. It's unbelievable man. All of which is an elaborate thing that we're doing to confuse him disoriented him as we head toward the end of the show, the show ends every day eastern, twelve fifty four thirty two. It's been that way for years. He never remembers he's over to today on the Har Har network out. He's having one of his worst seasons ever. He can't hear us right now. So this is the plan. Okay. I'm just going to spin the wheel his wheel of issues until inevitably it lands on, on, on, on his minor, sorry, I'm talking to I'm sorry on his minor league day. Oh, this minor league day in Fort Myers. Something about him something about himself, so he will get in there. He has been unspeakably awful today. His son has never seen field of dreams which were shocking to us. But he is worse off the air than he is on the air, somehow because honest, to God this happened Mike and it strikes me as blasphemous. First of all, he ripped Kevin Costner's catalog of movies, and then he apologized and said, he was thinking of nNcholas cage even more right? I started to rattle Costner movie after movie on got buried with, like ten thousand movies, and he's like, oh, yeah. Waterworld of court naturally. But then he said, who confuses does anyone confuse nNcholas cage, and Kevin Costner his he is descended into full blown delirium. I mean he just said hope solo still the goal. I can't rule anything out. She had an infamous falling out, just no. Chris. It wasn't just that he said, ho- hope, Solo's, the goalie, then he leered at her. That was the part that certainly what out. Right. Is Greg being Greg. But Mike is right. My go-to that topic. That's him giving you the good stuff. Then he does that Greg, Cody move, which he did at the Gramercy show where he looks at you. Like what, what are you talking about? What did I do? Look it up. Asked to talk about that he's got a whole list of ABRAHAM LINCOLN ghost stories on computer most magical games in basketball this season. And Furthermore game seven of the Stanley Cup final is, is right here, and he wants to give us bad information about confusing, Kevin Costner, nNcholas cage and thinking hope solo is still the goalie of the US women's soccer team say game seven was right here. That's the allotted time for for hockey talk. It's best to sports. All right. All right. Surfer guy for for hockey guy far away from the mic. Jay. Some credit. Why is it that basketball's NBA finals and hockey is Stanley Cup final? I don't like it at all. It's like get extra system. Get over yourself hockey. Exactly. Someone going gonna tell coating come back in here because he'll sit out show. So what, what point are you going to spin the wheel here? Let's along up on time. Two topics. All right. Go ahead. And just spin the wheel now we will see what topic it lands on here from among Greg, Cody. And I'm scared of this because one of his issues was women's World Cup. Let's not have it land on that if possible. All right. So let's go ahead and spin the wheel. As we wait for Greg Cody of the Miami Herald come in here. He's just doing solar leisurely pace because and there it is it lands on women's World Cup. There we go. Women's world, though, go ahead and get out the rest of your terrible thoughts on this subject. Now. I mean, that's one of the top if you wanna talk, I hope you had more than hope solo is that all you had. No, I love the women's World Cup team. Because it's actually successful when juxtaposed against the men's team. The men's team has never won a World Cup as everyone knows. And they haven't really had a successful World Cup since nineteen thirty the first one, the women you could argue that other than USA men's basketball the women's World Cup. I mean they're going for a fourth World Cup title, which is great. I really admire the, the women seem their, their outspoken. They're, they're colorful. They take a stand for gender equality for equal pay. They're more than just great on the field. They do something off the field and, and I think they're America's team. I think the world of spin Fimat again, mayor for I've so that we can couldn't you have just said that the first time I wonder annoy, you honest to God man Java terrible. All right. So what did it land on? Oh, hey, hard to believe but it's now less than seven weeks till Greg day Fort Myers. You deserve a day. And I'm so happy about this. What's going to happen during this day gives us the events? What's it's going to be a big time start show on ESPN radio racist country?

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June 12, 2020: Simpson and Goldman Murdered

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June 12, 2020: Simpson and Goldman Murdered

"Today is Friday June twelve twenty twenty on this day in nineteen ninety four Nicole Brown, Simpson and Ron. Goldman were murdered in Nicole's Brentwood home. The homicide has never officially been solved, but many suspect Nicole's ex husband. O. J. Simpson Welcome today in true crime apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised. Extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today recovering the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend restaurant waiter Ron Goldman. Let's go back to Paul. Revere Middle School in Brentwood California. On June Twelfth Nineteen, ninety four, just before six PM. Parents and family members shifted in their seats for the past ninety minutes. They'd watch the endless performances of the dance for kids annual recital. But finally Kenny. Loggins footloose started to play and the last class pranced onto the stage. Nicole Brown sat up a little straighter in her seat. This was her eight-year-old daughter. Sydney's group Nicole clapped and cheered, so did her parents, sisters and nephews who'd all come out to support Sydney, even Sydney's younger brother six-year-old Justin put aside his sibling, rivalry and mustard, a supportive woop, but Nicole couldn't fully enjoy the performance all through the recital. She'd felt his gaze. Gaze boring into her back. She didn't need to turn around and look at her ex husband to know that he was staring at her. He always was. Nicole knew that are. Ex was used to getting his way after all he was. OJ Simpson, the Heisman, winning football player, the blockbuster movie star the celebrity face of Hertz rent a car. Chevrolet and RC Cola. He was rich, powerful and famous, and when people told him no bad things happened. For seven hellish years of Marriage Nicollet suffered his jealousy and his beatings. She'd filed for divorce in nineteen, ninety two, but Oj had never accepted that the relationship was over too many times. She'd spotted his car parked in front of her house. He frequently pounded on her door in the middle of the night, demanding, she come outside to talk to him. She had called nine one one at least thirty times, but that had never discouraged him, and now she couldn't even enjoy her daughter's recital. OJ Hadn't done anything to her that day. He wouldn't dare not when Nicole's friends and family were around, but she knew that he was there and that he was still. With her, it was enough to ruin the happy occasion. Still Nicole tried not to let it get to her. Once the recital wrapped up, she invited her family to join her Sydney and Justin for dinner. Sydney's friend Rachel tagged along to they all piled into two cars and drove to one of Nicole's favorite restaurants Mezzaluna. Over Italian Food Nicole tried to put Oj out of her mind. She split a bottle of Chianti with her family. She said hi to an old friend of hers who worked as a measure Luna Waiter Ron Goldman. She wondered if she'd ever have a normal life where she could go out like this regularly without always looking over her shoulder. Nicole didn't want her children to pick up on her anxiety so after dinner. She took Sydney. Justin and Rachel to Ben and Jerry's. This was Sydney's special day. After all it should be about fun treats not Nicole's relationship problems. But Sydney wouldn't remember the night of June twelfth for either the recital or the ice cream. Sometime around ten PM Nicole, Brown and Ron. Goldman, who'd come to her house, after his shift were murdered in her Brentwood home, the killer brutally stabbed and slashed Ron and. With a knife, all while Justin and Sydney slept upstairs oblivious. Officially, the double homicide is unsolved, but around the same time Nicole, and Ron died Nicole's ex. Husband OJ Simpson went missing a limo driver was supposed to take OJ to lax for a red eye flight, but he didn't answer the doorbell at ten, forty or ten fifty. Finally at eleven o'clock roughly an hour after the killings OJ emerged from his house. He couldn't account for where he'd been all night, nor did he seem particularly surprised when the next day police informed him that his ex wife was dead. The inexplicable tardiness, the history of abuse, and did the subdued reaction all pointed to one horrifying possibility OJ Simpson was a murderer. Up Next OJ Simpson's criminal trial changes American society forever. Truly Sour Bright crawlers are deliciously soft and fruity gummy worms. That can't wait to be ripped to pieces by the razor sharp teeth in your mouth. These gummy worms love it when you eat them, so don't be shy. Consider them best buds to your taste buds. If this sounds like deliciously twisted sweet tooth, stuff of your dreams and nightmares at the same time, that's probably because it is truly will change your life, or at least how your mouth tastes visit, truly dot com to find an online retailer or store near you. Now back to the story. Around ten o'clock PM on June Twelfth Nineteen, ninety four Nicole. Brown, and Ron Goldman were killed. Nicole had a long history of abuse at the hands of her ex husband Oj Simpson that coupled with his lack of an alibi made the football superstar. The polices number one suspect. The LAPD wasn't alone in their suspicion. The media breathlessly reported on every development of the investigation, hinting at Oj's probable guilt, his fame, the story, all the more salacious. OJ Had set numerous records in his NFL career in nineteen, seventy three. He rushed over two hundred yards in two consecutive games, then he did it again. Three years later over the course of his career OJ rushed over one hundred yards in forty two separate games, and he was the offensive player of the year, and the League's MVP in Nineteen, seventy-three OJ, retired from football in Nineteen Seventy, nine and leveraged his athletic celebrity into Hollywood fame. He Co starred in the naked gun film franchise cemented his status as a movie star. The nineteen ninety-four murder investigation only made Oj, even more famous specifically in the face of his theatrical behavior. He agreed to turn himself in for arrest, but fled in a white Bronco. Instead the subsequent police chase was broadcast nationwide, and a third of all Americans tuned in for two hours. TV stations interrupted their prime time programming to show OJ cruise down the freeway, then pull into his own driveway. While ninety five million people watched, he finally climbed out of his car and let the LAPD cough him. Even OJ's criminal trial felt more like a soap opera than a solemn legal proceeding his lawyer Johnny Cochran Offered Wild theories that OJ had been framed by racist police officers. He suggested evidence had been planted on Oj's estate. He even implied in his closing statement that convicting OJ would be a miscarriage of justice on par with Hitler's rule in Germany, and when the jury found Oj not guilty, it was more shocking than any TV shows plot twist could be. All the sensationalism overshadowed the real human tragedy at the heart of the case when Oj was acquitted to grieving families, the browns and the Goldmans were left reeling, neither believed that OJ was innocent, and they weren't going to let him get away with murder. In nineteen, ninety six, the browns and Goldman's sued OJ the Fifth Amendment, to the US Constitution forbids double jeopardy or charging a person for the same crime twice, but a civil suit, which held OJ financially responsible for the deaths was distinct from the criminal case by the end of the trial, two and a half years had passed since the murders public interest was waning and judge hero she Fujisaki, forbade journalists from the courtroom. As a result, the civil suit was more sober than the criminal case, and the jury gave a more predictable verdict. OJ was liable for Ron and Nicole deaths. He had to pay thirty three point five million dollars to their families, the equivalent of nearly fifty four million today. The ruling bankrupted OJ despite the fact that he was more famous than ever. He was no longer the good kind of famous, and he couldn't find work as an actor or celebrity spokesperson. In a separate suit, the browns filed for custody of Nicole's children. They fought for five years, but ultimately OJ capped his kids. This was largely because they testified that they wanted to stay with their dad. Murder accusations just enough to separate a father from his son and daughter. For All its theatrics and tragedy the OJ. Simpson trial did offer a sliver of hope to an unexpected community survivors of domestic violence. During the criminal trial, prosecutors played clip after clip of Nicole's nine one one calls reporting. OJ's abuse. Those clips in turn were broadcast nation wide. Nicole couldn't get help before it was too late, but her trial raised awareness and launched a conversation about domestic assault calls to abuse hotlines spiked, and other victims were empowered to escape from their situations. If. You or someone you know is in an abusive relationship. You can call the national domestic violence hotline at one, eight, hundred, seventy, nine, nine, seven, two, three, three two. Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more on the murder of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman be sure to check out the O. J.. Simpson episodes of not guilty today in true crime is a par cast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime, and all other park has originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today and true crime for free from. From your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime, today, and true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original. It's executive produced by Max Cutler sound design by one Boorda with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly. Madden and Joshua Kern, this episode of today and true crime was written by Angela Jorgensen with writing assistance by Nora Battelle I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Confronting: O.J. Simpson

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"You never wanna think that people are profiting from a crime against your family, but people keep coming up with new and creative ways to monetize, Ron in Kohl's murders. Capitalism is alive and well in America. What's up guys? Welcome to the OJ, there is an OJ Simpson tour, an customers ride to Brentwood suburb of Los Angeles, or Nicole Brown Simpson. And my brother were killed tour is run by a guy who coincidentally went to school with Justin, one of Nicole Simpson's kids. Right. This women friends surrounded the front. I'll open the door for you. Plant you hop in. Yep. Hop right in, what would this tour be without a crappy, vintage white Ford Bronco with is what you made happen the Bronco he did the indie gogo campaign. I raised money, if the bronxville since we started this, we had it ho Jae museums, and idiot came out international news coverage. So it's really taken on zone. Well, since someone has spent the forty five bucks on this. We'll let the host Alex Pap again, lay out some important locations that you'll need to know for this episode to make sense. Three locations, specifically. To you're right now. This is the Gretna green condo. This is where to call lived after she separated from OJ. This is the first Los Angeles residents of Kato kaylin, the house guest when it comes time to move down to plenty, there's not going to be a guest house. O J goes to Cato. He's like, why don't you come live with one of my guest houses on Rockingham, free of charge kid, like great. So to recap Gretna green was the location of Nicole Brown's first condo after divorcing Simpson. Bindi was the location of Nicole second condo, after she moved from Gretna, green and Rockingham is the street where Simpson lived the entire time. When Alex goes into detail of the events that happened on the night of the murders. He takes some artistic license. Murders. Cold decides to go to dinner with her family at the mezzanine restaurant. Where Ron was working. She introduces him to her parents. They have a nice meal. And when her parents, get home to Orange County mother Judith realizes, she's forgotten her sunglasses at the restaurant. So Nicole host the restaurant Ron fines the sunglasses. And he's like, I'm I just bring them over after work. Ron shows up with the sunglasses coal buzzes in, they meet in the courtyard OJ sees this, and he loses it, you almost off Nicole's head. Then he goes for Ron stabbed him like forty seven times some of the wounds were extra div. I saw friends thing from twenty twenty from back in the day where they said that the wounds were extra teeth as if the Salan were accenting appoint with it's knife. Like so you can give my wife, you know, whatever this guy, it's talking about the murder of my brother. This is confronting OJ Simpson. I'm your host Kim. Gilpin? Therapy's been a huge part of my life. Since the time I was a little girl. In fact, in my everyday life. I run an organization that provides counseling for teenagers, but for some people, they don't always know where to start. That's what I love about better health. It's not a crisis line. It's not self help. It's a professional counseling service, that's done securely online. And you can start communicating in just under twenty four hours. And what's even better, is that it's more affordable than traditional offline counseling and financial aid is available. There's a broad range of expertise and better helps counseling network than the services, available worldwide better help will assess your needs and match you up with your own licensed, professional, therapists, but you can always try somebody new because if you're not connecting with your counselor, it's gonna make it really hard for you to be successful in your growth. So if you visit better help dot com, backslash confronting enjoying the over five hundred thousand people taking charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional and bonus for you is that confronting listeners get? At an extra ten percent off your first month at better, help dot com backslash confronting. Again, that's better help dot com backslash confronting. So Kim, I wanna start out with the Hollywood tour. And by the way, there's more than one. I mean, I can't even imagine your reaction to listening to it. You know Nancy. I've heard a lot of sick and disgusting stuff yawn. My skin is pretty thick. It shouldn't be. But it is. So did you know that they existed? Yeah, I don't think I knew that particular one. I remember the handful of years ago is taking my son to see Shrek at the Pantaleon theater down in Hollywood. And as walking along into my right? Was this traveling stand or whatever? And this guy was handing out pamphlets, and he handed me one and it was the OJ Simpson murder trial to her or something to that effect. We angry were you shocked? I don't know. You know, roast out. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. I mean, does a piss me off yet is a make me angry? Yeah. Is it surprised me? Sometimes, you know, it's just I wasn't expecting it. I was trying to have a moment with my kid and not have all of that tragedy influence, my after noon. And it did. Okay. So on this tour guy says this is the white Bronco, you know, it isn't that Bronco was in somebody's garage forever. And only recently went to a murder museum, which, by the way, just got a contribution from Tanya Brown, who gave a whole bunch of memorabilia from her sister. Yeah. We didn't do that. This guy's sort of takes a lot of liberty with the relationship between Nicole, and Ron did they have a relationship. No. They knew each other from the neighborhood Brentwood is a pretty small bedroom community. They probably ran in the same circles in coffee shops, Jim but beyond that, there was no romantic involvement between the two of them. I remember when we needed to empty out my brothers apartment after he was killed that I found they were like electric rolodexes back in the day before we had our cell phones. Yeah. And I remember seeing her name in there. I think it was Nicole. And then it's SIM P and I remember being nervous and thinking ago. I don't know what this means. I showed it to my dad, and we just kind of looked at each other than I just handed it to the detective that's as much as I know about the two of them having a relationship, a lot of people have exploited and profited off the case. I mean that's no surprise to you. Some people made a name for themselves just by being associated. With it. Yeah. I mean, I think people always wanted to think about Cato, Cato, Calin in that regard Kato, you know, went on to be a household name and celebrity in his own rights, ladies and gentlemen. Joining us now on dean and Raj show. Kato. He's here on the movie set, but he doesn't have a part hit. Okay, Lynn is touring. The east coast, visiting catos one that was out there in the limelight. And then there's others that just retreated and have been left carrying the weight in today's episode. We're gonna talk to Jill Shively. She was another witness that was not heard from in the criminal case. But she sold her story, here's go trying to profit a little bit off of it. And I think that's ponted her for many years. Whereas Kato embraced. We're going to the to likly tennis club and spa to sit down with Kato kaylin. He has seemed to be super excited to get together. He is a little bit. Like how some of you may have remembered him as a little goofy. He actually suggested that I come in workout clothes, or a bathing suit to come to the tennis facility and let is not going to happen. Okay. So to look alike, tennis club is coming up on my left hand side. Pretty in here. Hi there. Supposed to go to the conference room doing an interview with Cato Calin in the conference. Oh, yeah. Upstairs. Okay. Okay. Great in q. L Harry is. I. How are you? The best place in the world. It's beautiful. You feel like you're at a resort. Yeah. Let's say you're like a household, a one name like share be or you know, I mean your job was Harpo Ringo. Hang out with people. No. That's true. Kimmo doesn't work for me. Cato is just like you picture him blonde. Tanned surfer. Boy, I look just a little older version of what we remember from twenty five years ago. He were closest Nicole. How did that come to be? She met a actor friend of mine. And that's what I'll start of how met Nicole. Yeah. And then I went to Gretna green party. I saw that she this guest house. I said, only God lives here already, she was, nobody made a deal, so from living, there became friends with Sydney and Justin. And they were just fun kids. Sydney. And Justin are OJ Nicole's children after the divorce. They shared custody with Nicole having the kids, the majority of the time, the biggest thing was that she could trust me, if she needed to do something, it wasn't Nanak, of course, go to the store and do whatever I love being with them in the credentials to be there to way before the Kardashians were reality stars, Kris Jenner, and her then husband, Robert Kardashian, we're friends with the Simpsons after their respective divorces, Nicole and Chris remained close and their kids played together. And people always asked me, if I had any kind of romance and never had a romance, Nicole at all it was when percent friendship, obviously, at a relationship the kids, I think the adored me and they got a dog this. Mommy will call it Kato. And that was Cato, the Akita. So how did you end up living at his house? Then, so Nicole started moved to Bundy head of room there. And she said you can move in. There are new not move in there. Now, I'm looking for a place in OJ at that six months. I'm already knew me said till you find a place. You can move into a bungalow, right? And I offered always to pay them ready. Never would take the money. He said, just find a place. Jews establish a friendship with him during that time or Bill. Really? I mean, I saw maybe out six times the entire time. I wasn't a close friend of OJ Simpson. Right. I was closer to Nicole. Did you ever know my brother, never? Did you ever see him over? I was working twelve to thirteen hours. I was the extras Wrangler on movie sets, I would work at five PM and just go round the clock. My hours were insane. So what do you remember about the night of the murders June twelfth nineteen Ninety-four Simpson was headed to LAX for flight to Chicago that night, did you see him? We talked I helped him with luggage. And I do remember the bag ten fifteen yards away and then walking around it. He said, no, I got it and that was the bag. That was never found. Right. Who knows what's in it. Do you know that years later? Speaking of Kim Kardashian Kim kardashian's people, contacted our family after her dad died, and said we came across a bag and my dad's garage that we think might be helpful to our turn these proceeded to make an exchange happen or a meet and greet. And then we never heard from them again. Well, Jason Chicago getting ready for a golf tournament. The next day Kato is about to become part of the trial of the century, the police show up and start asking questions. When they come to my room I come on it. I didn't know four guys walk in. And I was like gotta hope thirty -tective and they said where were you last night? And I told everything and they looked at my shoes. They looked at my clothes. So they're in Maruf awhile. And they just said, they'll get some questions and that was it. And then my mind was going could OJ Simpson done this. And then Harvey said, just way he's in Chicago. The body of thirty four year old, Nicole Brown. Simpson was found outside or west Los Angeles home next to what the body of an unidentified, man, do you know that? No one knew it was wrong, and my family. Everybody know for this two days, it was me. In Los Angeles tonight, still, no formal charges in the murder of Simpson's ex-wife and a man. Voicemail messages of my mom. Call me so many times over over like the phone. Did you ever talk to Simpson after the murders? Would you pull me in the kitchen? Bob itself and said you here with you. And I said, no, I don't. Just kind of shook it off. And then it was like, is he trying to use me for something that I think he could have done. I think he's guilty. I wouldn't move immediately. I remember that you testified to something that I I'm curious if you feel like didn't get enough play you testified that you saw blood in the house before he came home from Chicago, which would pretty much guarantee that there was no planting evidence. Roy, there was blood droplets, and they said watch your step. Okay. So let me understand you testified in the grand jury to seeing blood at Rockingham. But then Marsh never brought it up in the criminal case. So I, I don't get it what happened. I mean, your relationship, I'm sure with prosecution was much close. You're involved in. Yeah. Why the certain things weren't brought up. So after you left the house was the next time you saw him at the preliminary hearing, think it was the next time and I didn't have a lawyer, I didn't know what to do, and the film visits. My friend said you gotta meet the low you've gotta get someone then the guy pro Bono helped me out. And then I went in and met with Marcia Clark, right, the longest time with Marcia Clark, and I thought, I'll report was fan. Tastic and she knew my feelings March twenty first you testified in, I remember thinking you were so nonchalant. And you, you seem like you weren't taking it seriously. And I was I was mad people call Mr. Palin. Brian. Kato. Kaelin. B. R. A. N. K. A. T. O. K. A. E. L. I. N. Mr. Kaelin Cato your middle name nickname. Is that what people call you said of Brian? Yes. You'll bit nervous today. Feel great. Little nervous. It wasn't being notch lawn. I think it was in the first time in my life, I was in a courtroom with not even a parking ticket after sitting with Kato for twenty hours Marcia had pretty clear expectations as to how his testimony would go. But instead, he hemmed and hawed and hedged. I'm Mr. kaylin you told Mr. Shapiro that the defendant was not angry or agitated when he spoke of Sydney and the recital. And now you've just told us that he was of set trouble with his upset word of the ranges. Are you confused about the meaning of the word of set? No, no. I know what you mean. And what about during the time that he made the remark about Nicole wearing tight dresses was he upset when he said that maybe just a bit with that, just a bit upset about Nicole for tight dresses? Is that right? Yes. And eventually Marcia had enough. Didn't start to talk to you as a hostile witness. Page two thousand one twelve this is your testimony in this file, Mr. Taylor. My question to you. What was the defendant's physical demeanor when he talked to you about Nicole wearing tight dresses your answer? Oh, that he was upset. He made a point to say the tight dresses that I mentioned before wearing those tied up. That's what are they going to do when they're grandmas? You didn't say that. Did you know changing your testimony now Mr. Kaelin? Was he upset wasn't he no not? Not real upset the court to take this witness as hostile witness. But I hear the word hostile. It means I was getting upset with her, which I never raised my voice, I didn't know the terminology of that courtroom of your hostile witness. But it was trained to be how she could question me differently because she didn't think too, you're being forthright near answers. I don't I'm not saying bad report Morsch, Mark. I know I'm sure she's. I don't hate it. I, I don't I I'm sure she doesn't like she felt like you weren't giving her information. So what were you giving her? I don't know. When I spoke with Marsha, she made it clear that it wasn't that she didn't like Kato. She was just frustrated because she felt he was never straightforward or honest with the prosecution. My Betty, Kato kaylin. He hid a bunch of stuff from us in the beginning until we were able to get a tape that showed he'd been lying to us about hiding the evidence. He knew about domestic violence. He was there for the couple of times that she got beaten. I couldn't say he's guilty. I'd be thrown out, say he's the guy that did it. I think she knew my feeling that I can't prove it. But I think he's a guilty man. I wasn't allowed to say that. Do you think that anything would have made a difference in case, no? No. When I saw the jury said, no way. I just distinctly remember to the jurors waving to him, just like knowing that they love this guy. So is it hard for you to sit up on the stand and have him be in the courtroom and looking at you in the beginning was in the first hour? Maybe. And then I was like, I'm just going to focus, not even look at him. I remember he was laughing at you like he laughed at you. I think that he was throwing me off, like whatever. Yeah, no one's going to care about him. So how do people treat you after the trial? They would spit at me. I had girls at our baseball game in concert, put Gumma here. Driving a car. I'd have people come window. You got them mother fucking liar. I'm not used to that being like a high school quarterback in a problem canyon, having actually. Hey. So many times I've gotten messages of Yushu been the guy that was murdered. That makes you go off a while. I was an inter refer year. I get those to the same thing should happen to me that happened. My brother. He was sleeping with a married woman. Picot what's coming to him? He was too much of a pussy to fight back. So he deserve to get his throat slit. We had death threats. We had bombed scares at our house, and you would have to it just blows me away. I don't know. I don't know other than I think he killed my brother. And somebody else, doesn't, they feel this visceral reaction to me because why not? One of the bigger reasons that I wanted to do this is because I think people don't realize the collateral damage. Everybody's so concerned about him and what his life has been like that people have not paid attention to how it's impacted all the people that participated, and I don't think people understand how it changes you. And then there comes a point where it's like I gotta live my life, too. And I'm trying to do good things and trying to move forward and use this for good, a few like a malware happy, and bring things and getting picked on for being the door the dummy came from Wisconsin for the whole purpose of being famous. But I got fame in the worst way. Beautiful young people and bird. And the coming famous night is something I would not want to be famous for. America's fallen in love with this cool new game called best fiends, and I'm right there with them. It's a different puzzle game than I've played on my phone and I've downloaded a ton. 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We all deserve gorgeous professional hair color. And now we can have a delivered to our door for less than twenty five bucks. Confronting listeners. Get ten percent off plus free shipping on their first color kit with code confronting. That's code confronting another person who gained notoriety around this case, Jill Shively, if your member, she was a key witness for the prosecution during the grand jury, but ultimately wasn't used by Marcia Clark because Jill sold her story to the tabloids. This always bothered me because her account of that evening, what have puts him so near the scene of the crime and established a clear timeline for the prosecution. She was never called to the stand and going on this journey. I knew I had to reach out to Joe. Okay. Got an answer from Jill Shively shall we do this together? I feel like a little vomit is coming up. Chris, the notification came in on my phone, but I didn't look. Seriously like my heart is racing a little bit. And I'm Phil. Okay. Here we go. Oh my God. Own MG. Hi, how are you? I always think about you and I have. I always think about you and I have much to share with you. I suffer a lot from this case. Call me. Let's phone numbers. Wow. We are in route to have a little conversation with Jill. That'd be great opportunity to. Give her a chance to share thoughts and how it is impacted her. How to stay with her. Hopefully today will be cathartic for her to say what she feels and get some things off for chest. When we were growing up in Chicago what you're from Chicago. I'm from Indiana. I really. Yeah. I have relatives in Elkhart, but I grew up in Indianapolis. Oh midwest. Yeah. Good values their values. I know. I know your name chill shortly, and I know what it means to me, but there's a whole new generation of people that may not have any connection or they have a new revised version of you because of all the culture and the new television shows and stuff like that. So what do you remember about the night of the murders on June twelfth nineteen ninety four I was trying to make it to this market close at eleven. I left my home at ten forty five. I'm heading up SAMA, Cindy, Sanford, sandy, is a major street that goes through the heart of Brentwood, the intersection, where Jill encountered OJ is about a minute from the Coles house. And as I was approaching Bundy out of the blue, the Bronco almost hit me. I swerved to not hit it. He crossed two lanes. So he almost hit another driver, a guy who stop there. So he was yelling at him. They move out of his way. My first reaction was, they have to be drunk driver, because he did not have the headlights on. So that's why almost collided with him. And he glared at me and I actually had seen OJ in the village allot restaurants. Then he yelled, something at me, then I remembered, his voice, we had just seen they could gun thirty three and a quarter on like leaving. Yeah, that's him you recognized his voice from the movie naked gun thirty three and a third or was it a quarter or a half up shit? What it's called. I know. And I'm like, yeah, that's him. That made me more mad because I was thinking he's a celebrity self entitlement. Why would you drive that way? And then finally the Bronco took off. Okay. So then what I caught the license plate on wrote it down. Called into the west. L. A. P D. I wanna be destroyed driver. I think it's Jason there and she says, okay, I'll take it down. And then the next morning, my mom calls me, I told her what happened the night before you need to report that he told me what happened to Ron. We'll let you know what happened to me. So this is you call the second time second time it was early in the morning. To please come to my door asking me questions, like did hits you guys crash? We don't need them. You know, get a traffic report. So it wasn't sure if he was actually doing anything about it. And I had heard that during that time OJ had a lot of police officers. He would play softball with right? I was thinking maybe they're not gonna take it seriously. So then when I called back to make sure they connected the dots. Jill shively? Encounter with OJ's Bronco puts him near the crime scene around the time, his ex wife and Ron Goldman were murdered. No headlights driving a radically lashing out. That's the story any prosecutor with love to us, but they weren't the only ones. Hardcopy came to my door and said, hey, you know, we'll give you five thousand dollars, we wanna get your start the story. So the tabloid TV show, hard copy comes along and dangles five thousand dollars. And we're like, yeah, sure it was the biggest mistake I ever done in my life. Honestly. I remember when I found out that that happened being fist. Never regretted ever since I've gone through counseling was the biggest mistake ever made. Why, why did you do that? I just lost my job because of the case. I went to work, and they were there who reporters the media. Yeah. The kept harassing me. Oh my God. And this they follow me, and that the work and they said, you can't come into work until we get this straightened out. Oh my gosh. Till I had no idea. Yep. So I did the interview with hard copy. And then I'm Marsha said to me something about it. I told her what happened and she's like mad. So this is what hit me the hardest. She said you blew my case. I felt like I had to get an attorney for the first time I like to protect me. I thought I was doing something good a civic duty. And do you think that she had a hostile feeling towards you because hard copy interview my interaction with her all the time was that way, you know, very abrupt. Very it was never like, hey, thank you for coming forward. You know, there was no commodity. It was not that at all. Like, what your story what he's it was, like I was the enemy. Everyone kept trying to convince Marsha. Hey, Jill is reputable put her on the stand and let you know that them question her. I was really connecting with Joe and had felt good. It felt sincere but playing in the back of my mind with things that Marcia said to me in our last up Assode. She seemed like the ideal witness before we put her on before the grand jury. We say please do not talk to the press. Please do not sell your story. I won't do that. I will not do that. Definitely won't do that. Okay. So we put her on the grand jury does. Well, after her testimony it comes to light. She has sold her story. She posed with the big picture of the check, and she was found to be a complete liar. Two people with two different versions of the same event. Did you feel early on that you're safe, you jeopardy? I didn't feel unsafe until later on when I started getting threats so there are places. I didn't feel comfortable going and or I would just I would stay close to home. I would go to my daughter's PTA stuff and school things with her. And actually, she had to deal with some of that, too, at school at school from little kids, like desserts. Five in their Charan's. Some of the people still supported OJ. And so people were were they holding you responsible for something. They wanna believe I was there. And they didn't wanna believe OJ did it right? And I would just I wouldn't argue with them. You know. So you did you hibernate. Yes, I did for like for a long time. I didn't work. I just stayed home spent that summer basically just not doing much and then August of that year. We lost my older sister, who is thirty eight. She was into this guy. And I guess it got to fight, but he left her in the canon, he says they went hiking. But she ended up passing away. So it was a really was that June. And then her August third or fourth. So is a lot. My gosh. Yeah. You know, it's been twenty five ish years, and in that time, there have been so many stories, and so many TV shows and books and movies and documentaries. It's still part of our everyday when I hear about the case, even now all this time, it makes my heart race makes me feel sick to my stomach, my friends. She called me when it. Hey chill. You're part of the trivia for though Dickerson, like, okay, thanks, a my. Okay. You know, she was excited about on my she could action arm, so sorry. Yeah. You know, it's not fun for me. It's not like exciting. I don't know if it ever will be. I just feel anxiety about this case because I felt tainted by this case, nothing good came out of it. Are you developed breast cancer in two thousand nine? The doctor says you're, you're holding a lot of stuff in, please. Let it out. It's getting cancer, and I got up getting breast cancer, and I was just thinking, what if anything in my life what really bothered was bothering me, this case, I'm fine. Now it's been ten years, but I really feel very very guilty. I have to like forgive myself. It's just it's just devastating because I felt like I contributed to OJ not being convicted. When Marcia said to me, you blew my case, while I believe that for years. And then he was. No, it was not. You things happened. And he actually had a good dream team did their job. But still, you know, bothers me because I felt like I left your family down and the Brown family down. It makes me sad that use carried this with you. Yeah. It's been horrifying. How come you never reached out? I just figured that you were upset with me. I don't feel like God got Jill just wanna testified that would've been it. I don't feel that. I'm appreciative that you were so willing, I was a little hesitant on nervous when I reached out to you on Facebook. You were so quick to respond. I remember going. Look at what is she going to say, you know, I service you know, you trusted because I wanted to meet and tell you, I'm so sorry, I feel a lot lighter from being here like counseling session, but I feel better. So thank you, like a healing. All right. Let's talk about Cato. Keta you Email him to get him to do this podcast where you surprised by his response. I don't think I was surprised by his response. I was surprised by his response time, which was almost immediate high. Yeah. Can to this like that was the energy God in, like heart emojis. And the smile emojis. It was interesting to me, Kato, and I never really had a conversation before what was it like talking one on one after all these years. I had my beliefs about him when he was justifying, I, I was annoyed by him bugged me that he was just such a jokester. What do you think happened to him on the stand? I think that he was probably nervous uncomfortable. I don't know that I thought he was trying to ham it up. I think that he is young guy who's probably really nervous and intimidated and scared, and he was kind of an important witness in testifying in the biggest trial of our century, I think being in the courtroom. General is really was was was difficult. I don't think we can ever really explain to people what that felt like you come into this room. It's, it's pretty small. If the prosecutors defense attorneys, the killer, the judge the families, and you had the jury that had a lot of disdain for anybody that wasn't on the defense. So, you know, I can appreciate that he was probably like a nervous Nellie of there. Well, you know, kiddo did know that there was abuse, and certainly Marcia Clark could brought that up without Kato because Jay pled no contest to spousal abuse. Do you think that more should have been made of that I feel like a lot was made festive violence, but I think that you either think it's bad and it can lead to murder or you don't I think that there's lots of people that excuse it and think it's on my business or that's between the couple. I don't know if putting what? What I look what happened early domestic violence didn't have much of an impact on this case. So I'm not sure if Marsh having more people say they saw it would have made a difference. What about to sharply till shortly boy, talking to her after all these years and learning that she was so sad about all of it? I just wanted a hugger the whole time heart broke for her. I knew that she'd been carrying around a lot. I just wanted to make her feel better. She's, she's definitely got some cracks. And I wish and hope that she could heal from it. Marcia Clark says she's a liar. And she wasn't essential to my case, and Joe shy flea says that Marcia Clark said you ruin my case glue. My case you and I was an honest person on my head people saying, I was we did a lot of research wouldn't see any sort of evidence that would make you say she wasn't a truthful person. What? Our parents, tell us, you know, there's three sides to every story and somewhere in the middle of Marcia story. And Joel story is the truth. I think we will never ever know what actually happened and why she was never put on the stand for real, but that was Niro wear tabloid magazine shows were out, and we have cash in hand. Hang for every single interview, they could we offered money to sell stories. I mean you just did or you didn't. I mean Rudd her doing it had a ripple effect. It was helpful for me to hear her. Tell me that selling story was regret. 'cause I've, I've held onto that for a really long time. So I was grateful to have that time with her. I think she needed that. I think we both had it was your intention to explore this to confront this for yourself. And yet in interview after interview you're the person, comforting person, you talk to quite honestly for a long time. I didn't really. Care about being people's confessional. I didn't have any room in my heart to do that. So part of this podcast is been a little bit about opening my heart and letting people share with me, their experiences in kind of giving each other some, love and attention and hugging compassion. I don't know that I went into it thinking one way or another. But I leave these meetings in these conversations feeling like. just a month ago. I did a field trip for twenty five Danish high school students who actually learn about the OJ case in school and their teacher there on a trip to California. They went to Alcatraz and they went on the OJ tour. It's mind boggling, the huge effect this has had on culture. There's one last thing that we do on the OJ tour to, you know, keep it we talked about a lot of grim subjects, but I'd like to end on a joke. This is the OJ joke. Book tell couple Jay jokes here. What's OJ's favourite piece of kitchen furniture? The butcher block. Famous LA dodger. OJ simpson. Finally. What did Ron Goldman said and Ecole when he got to heaven? Here's your fucking sunglasses. Cancel. On the next episode of confronting OJ Simpson, people are just not going to accept that beloved celebrity could do such a horrible thing. You look back and shit. I wish I had done that well, which has not. Judge Ito said, I expect this case to be tried to very high level almost immediately. It was a fight in Anneli behind a bar two AM with broken beer bottles. Let drama all of the anthrax something. I'm very angry about even today, very bitter about Simpson. Got this kind of enraged look. And he looked almost animal life is is were and literally spits flight out of his mouth. That's horrible was two point confronting the guy if you don't get a chance to bitch slap them. A lot of ghosts. Sneeze hallways. Can't wait for the next episode of confronting OJ Simpson. Listen to episode four right now and add free. When you sign up for wondering plus at wondering dot com slash plus that's w o n d e r y dot com slash p l u s to hear episode four of confronting OJ Simpson confronting OJ Simpson is executive produced by me. Kim Goldman and my co-host Nancy Blass. This podcast is executive produced by Ben Federman and Andrea gunning supervising producer, Kerry, Hartman produced by Julie Clark, and Chris O, rien story, producer, Tony Davis. The archive research and production team at squirrel media includes Jamie, Richard Megan paisley, Jessica little art, mccaskey was the post supervising producer audio editing done by leave editor not to beco-, and editor dean Welsh audio mix. On by Dave Sayeh assisted by Dale pursue music, and original composition created by my music and special thanks to Laurent show, then at migrant sound my neighborhood recording. Studio confronting OJ Simpson was produced by squirrel media in partnership with wondering.

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"Hey guys, it's Jack from the podcast. You're listening to I'm gonna level with you guys. I spent a big chunk of my life addicted to nicotine, and it's. I had to use various like nicotine pellets, and like a book to get off of it. But one way that people quit nicotine products and quit smoking is by using vape products. And we're you say they've sued dude, you're, you know what it is, who is this your boy, vape crusader, dude hailing from the planet of apes born in a puff of smoke from mouth. Veve Suva's, dude. It's the one cloud stepper hailing from the best been cloud city. Okay. Look, I get it. Dave's aren't for everyone, you know, because not everyone is as sick as me. Okay, got it. If you're gonna go get your vape products dude, get your pods, your module juice. You gotta visit vape while dot com. All right. They've got over one hundred flavors of you liquid. They got introductory sample pack for just one dollar including shipping, and in-house, customer service team that will answer any of your questions. Man. Wait to see you in a photo of the White House HR. No, it was still White House. Presidential personnel office, dude, you probably saw me vaping. And then I. The deputy director, sir. Anyways guys, go to vape wild dot com slash daily warning on Mike. Cloud, dude. I can't see anything realism the missed, bro. We're it's not weird. It's what we do. Anyway, warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive substance. Yeah. Clearly. Oh. The whole room is filled with smoke. I smoked front of my face vape. Oh my fellow the internet and welcome to season. Eighty seven episode two dailies. I guy a production of iheart radio. This is a podcast retake deep dive into America's share consciousness and say officially off the top coke industries, and book, pox news. It's Tuesday, June eighteenth two thousand nineteen names. Jack O'Brien AK wake me up before you go go don't leave me hanging on, like a yoyo Brian Percy Hannah. Sultan, and on thrilled to be joined by today's guest co host Mr.. Billy Wayne David J good day. Good day to you, sir co kid. Yeah. Look through. My right, Myra. Thank you. Right. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in air thirds five, the hilarious and talented Mano, a gap and high. Hey, it is you what's, what's up man thrilled had you hear those people. Yeah. Fucking cool name. Oh, manoa. Great. Yeah, it is filled the way he would thinking. It sounds the way you would. That is good to hear. Them. I'm partially Greek in my. My Greek left if Greek I kind of always wanted a stupidly Greek last night long when. Yeah. Book life thing like that Gallison Akkas is even pretty easy to pronounce as far as the Greek name once you get once you get there, you're like oh, that's easy. Yes, but you, it's like it's like reading Hebrew though, when you get your I don't know what any of that. My gosh, I used to know a Greek man, whose name was football apples. But in Greek. Greek. I just I just head tilted turn. So his last name was bulldozed photo polos, which is insane. I've always God. I want that I want that for me, so polish last names and Matthew mcconaughey milling of his last name or the hardest for me to spell for whatever I know people give a lot of smack to other languages. But English is, is the true heir of international grammar world may will is the worst just it's my. It's my favorite language. Because if you use a word incorrectly long enough, it becomes the correct way to use it not other languages. Right. No, my, my grandmother, used to be mad at the word. Get like truly mad at the English word get because we use it. We use it so crazy think about how us get like get up. Get me that drink. Did you get the bags like? Yeah, haven't even gotten to the GRET. Oh my God. Right. Yeah. Yet, get yell at raccoons when they come close to your trash cans, gets the hillbillies only law right about how insane that where it is. Yeah. Just it just went in your life. How choose a English as a second language learning English. And she was like this. This words bullshit. Then you're right. You're right. Yeah. Do you knew English Bobby you speaking? All right. We're going to get to know you a little bit better. And I we're gonna tell our listeners just a few of the things we're talking about today. We now have confirmation that YouTube is bad for you that we needed it. We are going to talk about. I in case you're feeling like the faintest glimmer of hope about the democratic party's chances in twenty twenty we will extinguish that with a vengeance ice has stopped updating their list of people who died in custody, which is troubling. We're talking about is going to be easier to tell you who didn't die. Exactly right. At this point. And then we're gonna talk about kind of a wide roaming subject that starts with OJ Simpson. And Bill Cosby's tweets from on Father's Day over the week. Oh, that's good. This is two thousand nineteen. Yeah. We are two thousand nineteen and. It makes me want Casey, Anthony to pipe up on mother's day. Still live in LA. Dolce. Vita. Then we're gonna talk about Taylor SWIFT's doing the pride stuff in her new video and to puck would've turned forty eight over the weekend. So we're gonna know Kim with him. He wouldn't have he wouldn't have. I just don't see it making it seem drill up and down. Yeah, like unstability. Yeah. I don't think he wanted to last that long. I feel like he Jason something. Yeah. He also loved Machiavelli so much. And he was obsessed with, you know, like it's Machiavelli is whole thing was like I fear fear is better than power. Right. Or like that. That complicated relationship between, like respect if you're yeah. Yeah. That whole thing, so you get more done with fear than you do respect. It's true. I mean, that's adding June fortunate reality of our life. Yeah. Some people think the prince the whole like Machiavellian thing was written as a satire of, basically he had. He was writing under a. Really terrible leader. Who like did all the things that he was writing about? So he was like, yeah. No. This is how you should rule. Bunch of people just took it. No one. He just kept leaning into the sarcastic bait. And he's like, no, I really. No. He's watching them read it and he's like, right. And everybody's like no. This is good. She's our rules for living, this a manual. Became ally, the bit became ally, wink, I should. I should've. All in parentheses or put it all on, I tell. All right. But first, we like to ask our guest. What is something from your search history? That's revealing about who you are. I would say the most revealing thing that isn't like porn, because at point, it would be like I read a lot of food review, blogs, okay, because there's like certain foods, I won't allow myself to purchase but I want to experience by carry Asli intra like on, like, there's one's brand eating the impulsive by Syria. List's -ly dot com on second school to food that you don't want to buy, but you like host like like seasonal hostess cakes like it's like hostess now house a summer lineup of banana split cupcakes. And I'm like, I can't in good reason buy a box of what it takes. Can't it tastes like the chemical version? All this flavor. It turned it tastes like colored red and yellow. Bus sugar. Yes. So I love reading those because I'm I can like read someone's like way too explicit take on those things. But I'm like, oh, but I would never allow myself to buy it. And do they when they're reviewing hostess cupcakes how like flowery? Do they get lows? There's parents. At the fact that there's more than one paragraph is shocking. They get pretty flowery notes of amaranth and vanilla you'd be. If heroin users were at themselves enough, they would be like they would describe it's the same thing in your brain. That's lighting up. Yeah. Yeah. It's just and I was because I that will made me realize that was that was, like, I'll, I'll watch all those National Geographic documentaries or like drugs and Cooper, like, it's probably why I watch that too, because I'm my we'll, I'm never going to do Mathur heroin, right? Let's check this out and address I've gotten in the game now. And I have a serial tasting Instagram account. Nice. So I'm now I'm in their deep. What does the cereal that based on reviews, you wanna try that you haven't given yourself the opportunity, okay? Yeah. There's some new exciting ones. There's cotton candy crunch Cap'n. Crunch has released a cotton candy, okay? Now that is a can't just say, here's some cocaine on. Here's cocaine for your child. What it does is the captain crunch like the top of your roof. And in the cocaine just gets in there. Skull method of narcotic delivery, straight to the dome got a free base that red number five right? Yeah, I want to try that. And then drumstick general mills releasing a as in drugs. Dirty ice cream. Okay. Because Rum's much better. The ice cream is now releasing a serial. Okay, which I could get on that. I wonder if what I think let's take a swing. And I think I think Cyril inspired ice. Cream is always going to be tastier than ice cream inspired cereal. Yeah. That is a truism. That's a fact. But I wanna try it. Yeah. Well, I need to dig into this world of junk food based sort of the what naked lunches to heroin. These are to the junk food, industry fascinating. What is something that you think is underrated say, teeny tiny underwear teeny tiny, underwear interesting? Do you think that's a rated enough? Do you think do you think that's underrated across the board. I think all people all people or is this what it is. I say like wearing tiny underwear. I think we as before, like, yeah, we, we as people like love will looking at other people in tiny underwear road. I think we don't let ourselves feel the freedom of wearing tiny underwear. Well, I think there's a thin line between comfortable, tiny underwear, and terribly uncomfortable a gray in thin line. Use it is thin. That goes right up here. I didn't mean it like that. But, you know, we'll go in line is my favorite Speedo line. It is. No. But like, I don't know. I guess it's also project, like part of my journey to be more comfortable naked. Right. I want to be comfortable naked. I'm going to Greece this summer, and I'm like going to try to force myself to go to a nude beach because here's why. Being scared of being naked is like one of the most irrational fears. Okay. And a lot of naked wear lake in public on. On. I think it's me. Like very vulnerable thing in public to be naked. 'cause you're like people who fuck me up real bad right now bright. Have you seen eastern promises? Yes. Because that movie. It's a it's jaws of nudity. It, it will terrify you of nudey, because there is a prolonged and really just violent knife fight that happens in a locker room with both of the men are naked. And just, you know, Dick's flying all over the place and. Did a hand gesture of Dick's flying on sexual I. It's not. It's just. Yeah, what Gertrude it is your or ability. That does not sound eastern. It's. It's made by what's his name body horror guy ally off. No body horror, that sounds like those David Cronenberg. Yeah. Okay. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. But what I'm saying is, I agree. I want to see this movie with Donner's flying, just right. Right. It's a good film. Art. Yes. And if it was filled in eastern Europe. I bet those very same actors truck their way over to the Bellamy porn studio right after feel-good movie, I believe you. I believe, you know, but what I want to say it think about it. It is a rational to be scared of being naked, when there's things like guns and knives and bombs in the world, and we're sometimes we're more scared of just not wearing clothes. The in your house. I don't know anywhere because I think think about it. We are to be naked. And sure, but I'm saying, like, are you scared? I mean I've sound like your therapist. But like to me, like, there are certain places I have no fear of being negative at all. And then other places like in, like in the football locker room in high school. I didn't like being naked because everyone's fucking with everybody at all store. It wasn't like I don't want see people see my dick or anything. It was just more like I'm very vulnerable in this position. And because I just watched it happen like being at the gym now, which I don't really necessarily go to the gym because I don't like the gym being naked. There doesn't bother me. I'm still uncomfortable. Getting naked in the gym, you should you should like I feel like I break the sound barrier with how quickly I take. Quickly. I'd take off on this shorts and then put a towel on top. I'm with you. This is so stupid. We all have bodies. Everybody is stupid. Yeah. Well, there is an in-between. There's the dude that's real comfortable. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's like the stage people are way too comfortable on stage. Some people can't do it at all. The people that are usually good at it or somewhere in between, like that, that's interesting way to what, what is somebody who's way too comfortable on stage. I'm trying to have you ever seen like a quote unquote comedian, who's just being self indulgent. Yeah. Later in their career type or or like maybe after they get into in ten minutes. Decent material. Then there I want to do some stretching. Yeah. Yeah. What is something you think is overrated over rate hid? Okay. Where is this? Okay. Is this? My is this my unpopular opinion moment. It can be. Yeah. Anything, I think theme parks are overrated. Okay. I think fame parks are overrated. I can't believe how tricked everyone is into thinking that they're the most fun thing. Okay. To me. There's so much more trouble than they're worth. They're so damn expensive. They're they're prohibitive. You are trapped. They're, they're designed to keep it at all day. The water is six dollars. The lines are inevitable. The children are awful. Did you go to child now? So, yeah, I think that's what it missed it. Yes, yet as my parents. No way they act in a theme park. Yeah. My son is totally different than, you know, the other people. So it's like I have to remember that sometimes that he's nine experiencing things that I haven't been, I've already experienced a bunch because. Yeah. You go to the portion. This is a fucking scam. But then you look down. And he's like, whoa. Oh, yeah. I remember like going to like one of those places where it could hit with is. Yeah. And you're like it is real. They do exist that guy's an alcoholic. And then there's. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what I when I was fifteen that was too late. First time to horny too fucking horny. I just kept seeing goofy and just make an is. Yes to horny. You're like who can I fuck in this? My parents aren't watching me at all times. I still play that game when I'm in too busy of a place like an airport. You play his game like every ten people never do. Oh, I would never ever boyfriend of four years. I would never every ten people that pass you, you have to pick one of them to zone. And I played that game especially when I'm in an air pomono Mary. Yeah. Yeah. So you would never you never walk on a blind your her. Her make him a friend of is. My boyfriend's. I guess I don't know my boyfriend's a real monster. And we talk about that kind of thing all the time. That's great. Yeah. And finally, what does a myth? What's something people take is true? You know, to be false that I know to be false hand jobs are hand jobs jobs, or a myth, Hanjin exist. No, no. And I'll tell you because women that would be mad to diff. To because a hand job should always be part of a package. Not a standalone project. A good hand job leads to a blowjob right baby sex, too, but, like a hand job. That's just a hand. Job is okay. That's crazy. Now I disagree. Okay. At a certain, I think, for my twelve to fifteen a hand job as a hand job and be the exchange shore. But that speaks to how much they suck. Right. Well, I think at first, they don't stop adult burn just touching it. Yeah. No hand jobs. What do you do it? That's right. Yes. But I, I think it's, it's important that children should did you get a hand job at twelve I was trying to think it was like Theonest probably the first hand job. I got was like an came. Painter fifteen right? I like that. Yeah. Wow. Good for you. I dry humped, I would say between twelve and fifteen but get a hint job to later. No, you drive home because there's no physical contact privates for a while. And that's the first step, I and I just think I'm just thinking like natural. I mean I'm talking like gay or straight here. Right. You know what I mean? Where it's like, yeah, that's the you need to learn how to handle someone else's with your hand. Right. But that in your mouth or inside you. Yeah. Pry good rule to live by I had a friend for the children's home. My god. The joke was just sitting story. One time in college, I had a lesbian friend. And we were like, hey, we don't get each other's stuff. Right. So like when we were slammed so we're like, let's, let's get drunk drunk, we're drunk, so let's like hook up and like kind of give each other a masterclass on what we're supposed to do with each other stuff and her. I move with my dick was to treat it like a light switch. Just go. I'm not hitting. She was like is like, is this good. I was like, yeah, but it's not nearly as good as this. Right. Like like, like off, and on off and on, like, just kind of. Like it's hard and like, boy, like going up one way and touching down the light. Switch. Right. Right. And I was like, okay. Yeah, that's good. But that's not where our bread is buttered, right? Interesting. It's like the paint motion from karate kid. Oh, yes. Up paint down. Yeah. Wax on wax off work Euler. So, yeah. Hand jobs are a math. Yeah. I'm sure you know, or counter intuitive to people who aren't who, don't have them or to us for a while. Right. That's true penises are soci- really ridiculous ridiculous. I'm so embarrassed. Yeah. Embarrassed that I like them. Yeah. Remember that conversation with my friends is thank God. Women are attracted to us. Whatever that is inside. Because we look dick euless. Yeah. I think the flaccid penis is a real, it's God's way of checking our ego. Yeah. It seemed like you think you're cool. Okay, cool. Yeah, this album grows. It grows. It grows. Yeah. Exactly. Just hold on. Let me just let me just kind of give it up. Wait. Let me let me throw in everyone knows. That's the funniest thing about flaccid penises everyone knows that they change shapes right? In time to perform. But we still judge each other. Alright shit. Yeah, I'm growers Razi, someone who seemed to many penises growers and showers are real because I have also been gentlemen rim like ooh. This is gonna be a good time and then their penis really does just get as harder. But the same size chance up, which was like, oh, let down. Just sit down. He was a little bit of a letdown, because you because I'm used to the grower panics where it's like, oh, this is gonna get. Okay. Still going. Are. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. It's me Jack from work. Oh, dailies. I gather anyways, have you been checking out the economist, course you're talking about the weekly magazine that offers insight opinion in international news, and US news and many other time. That's right. Don't domes helps leaders prepare for what's going on in the world around them. A trusted source of intelligence for over one hundred seventy years, you come system, the noise in hand picks the central nation that tells the real story falls, it up into a fist punches it in your brain Haywood, if you've been reading in the economist lately, Jack about how American voter don't care a foul yet. Conomy brother. Well, I've been reading about how the tree war would shine us changing global business. Guess what we still got I on China, all this learnings making me, so mad for your free copy of the economist, just text I to ninety nine thousand. That's right texts site guys to nine nine zero zero zero and get your free copy of the economy. Economist get some learning. Indoor back. And so an article in, I think it was Bloomberg yet revealed that Google leagues X have given us the answer to what, what I think of as sort of the lunch Ables test, because I, I heard about it when I was reading up on the invention of lunch Ables, and how executives who invented lunch Ables and designed them would never dream of feeding them to their kids. And so it turns out in this in this article, I like, yeah, no. They're good. They're just designed to addict children. Pink disks of meat to don't call it. Hey, y'all get them after show? Sometimes when I'm on the road, they're fun because I was just like this isn't terrible. It is. It is Hamid. Yeah. It's really bad. It's still make homemade ones with just a block of cheese, and like a pretzel or something so we're saying the same is true for YouTube. The same is true for YouTube. Thank you for getting me back on trick. Yes. So four employees that Google told a journalist writing about the journalist was doing a report on just how difficult it is proving for Google to get YouTube under control and to wrestle their algorithm. Back into a shape where it does not promote hatred and white supremacy. And, you know, some some people in Google are, like, hoping that they will just spend YouTube off into a separate company because they think it's really bad. For Google's brand. Yeah. It's, it's turning out to be one of the more problematic social networks. Even though Facebook kind of was the one that came out of the gate hut after twenty sixteen turns up YouTube is really a fucking mess. So anyways, this reporter was talking to a bunch of Google exacts. And, you know, the fourth hit he asked said they quote privately admitted that they don't let their kids watch YouTube unsupervised and said the sentiment was widespread at the company so just in just something to keep in mind. I mean, I haven't that my son watches YouTube, sometimes in like one day I walked in. He was legit and he put it down real quick. And it was just like cartoons. He was watching, but they get like a little they start. Yeah. He's watching where they started kissing. Oh. And I made like he knew, you know, it made him feel funny Brett. Uh-huh. And then he felt like he was like he was worried. He was in trouble when I was like, no this. Isn't it your fault? Right. Watching it thing. I was like this is you have to be careful on this on the internet. It's not all fun read you. And like he just didn't go on YouTube your long time at all. And I was like, that's fine. But now because it it was harmless what he was doing right. And the way he failed inside his normal, too. So they're taking advantage of that stuff, too. Yeah. I didn't realize it was such so much such a right. A radical presence on YouTube. Yeah. I don't know for, for whatever like any vast community, online seems to, like find a way to start, you know, the authoritarian come in. And Thawra Teheran's always tend to, like bend things toward the right and authoritarian have a, a way of dominating online communities, especially when they get really, really big because I watch embarrassing things on YouTube. But like it's not that, like I fell down a worm hall of like videos that talk about how fast food chains failed in foreign countries. I and I was like super in barest, but it was like, why KFC didn't work in the Philippines actress, and that was this episode is about. Tell us why. It turns out that in the Philippines street food, culture really vital to how people interact and the pride internet Konomi, right? And the way that like the prices that are street food person can offer, like even fast food chain can't compete with. Yeah. And the quality of the taste and stuff too. Right. You're probably came to YouTube with probably a little bit more knowledge than the typical child comes to use your and they're more of a blank slate shore. If you're only thing is you're going in, and you're like, well, I wanna know about nine eleven what happened on nine eleven like that's the people carrying about a lot and three levels deep. You're going to get to nine eleven truth IRS Elliott eleven troopers Alabama Jones, Alex Jones leads to, you know, white supremacists so it's. Yeah. Whites premise leads to fear, right? And fear. Of course leads to the dark side. We'll read these are just companies that started out as a cool idea to bring people together. And then they realize like we have to make money, right? And the owners of the company, I think are we're all like cover making money we're making. Yes, we how did this happen? I don't know. And then they're like fuck, yeah. Then three years later. Oh, it's because we're funding terrorist idol some shit, you know. Yeah. The algorithm takes into account basically, how long you stay on video. And you know, there's a way to edit reality together into some really misleading shit, and that tends to be the more interesting angle is conspiracy theories over what, what actually happens so scary. Yeah, it's just I don't know the answer. Yeah, because I mean I, I just think it's important to keep in mind that these people know better than us. Energy executives. Knew about global warming before anybody else, they knew about climate change in the eighties, because they were doing the research. It was imperative for their company to continue to make money that they know the truth about climate change. I think a similar thing happens with every company, and they know the downsides of their. Product before anybody else does. Yes. That's why Shane Smith. So. Right. Fok's. For everybody found out, it was kind of hollow. Yeah. Yeah. I okay, I have to problem. Okay. I have two points. Well, I can't fix. I'm trying to think how to fix the bigger problem as for children who are watching this. I think children like we'll be fine. If a parent is doing their job already, then the kid will be able to watch something like that, or, or the have a conversation with the parent. He's like, okay. Yeah, that's weird. Those people are idiots. I guess what I'm saying is, there's no one YouTube video. That's gonna solidarity corrupt a child. If the parent is already doing their job, raising them with the proper influences outside of YouTube, bright. If your kid is only getting influenced by YouTube you failed as a parent. Obviously, you can't control everything. They see. But I mean I know myself like growing up. I saw stupid shit on TV or whatever, and over accumulated over, you know, a number of experiences, I was able to, like, okay. Yeah. That was bullshit, dad like Beavis and Butthead in that let me know that it wasn't evil in bad for Ryan the way you also hear everything to do you know what I mean? Yes show in my dad is Susan, my mom would welcome watch this. It's so funny. He's a high school football coach teacher, who he's like, I know these kids. Yeah. All right, guys. Let's move onto the twenty twenty election explicitly since that last story might affect it in many different ways hopefully not. But I just wanted to talk about a single tweet that came from the Twitter account, the Democrats, which is the official account of the DNC. It's my favorite band. Yes. The democrat Democrats, they rock. So it was pretty good. Yeah. Not really. So let's so the tweet is the official count of the Democratic National Committee. And the tweet is, this is a whole mood, text boy by two four three, three, six seven to get this exclusive wallpaper. And it's just a, a wallpaper with Trump's image in the background and it just says boy by twenty twenty in large letters. And that just made me want to move to a different country shore. That is very it is mega church. Yeah. Grabbing secular culture. The young life. The young light version of politics. Yes. Like the Lord rocks. Everyone. Joe? Yeah. It's lame. It's just an and it higher actual gay people to ride it for you. Boy by. Yeah. It's performance. Cool or hip or woke, it sucks. Yeah. There's, there's a lot of culture vultures right now we were watching videos before this, and there's a lot to get to that a little later. There's a lot. We'll talk about that later. But, like there's a lot of people picking at the carry on of the queer legacy. And this is just the latest example of like how do we engage the children? Drake say this. I know. Right. How's it feel to have everything you like appropriated? But while also still not receiving jobs, credit or money for it, right? Yeah. It's terrible. I get it. They're trying to engage kids. I get it. But I mean, also I think you made the point earlier of like they're really simplifying systematic oppression. Yes. Well, what you could do if you want to get the use vote is fucking listen to them. Yeah. And say, hey, what are they actually complaining about runner, their issues, instead of just pandering to what you think they wanna hear in how you think they talk read? Listen to this is just shut up. Listen to this is a group that will inevitably endorse Biden, you know, just a very mainstream center, left democratic right now. It's like an odds game. Right. It's like why rent twenty left? I don't think that's even accurate. Really very center. Yeah. Super sent down the WalMart supercenter. We don't need WalMart's. Yes. Yes, truly, and they want the naughty show. It's not. Now. That would be my target. We tried target in two thousand sixteen and they said, no, yes, has better deals on wheat. Yes, but the people so they're trying to use a not even skin deep appropriation or cultural nod, and just the idea that totally, we're at a place where we should be approaching the Trump presidency. Like a fun thing that we can just insult away, is just let the like she did in the two thousand sixteen election. It really reminds me of the two thousand sixteen like it's, it's really learning like these guys, right? Yes. I wonder if it's like an I don't think this makes it right. But I think it's like everyone is so bummed out by the news. I wonder if they're trying to engage people in a way that makes them not want to die. You know what I mean? That doesn't make it right. But maybe that's where it's coming from of like everyone knows we're suffering, and people are systematically oppressed. And people are in detention centers. Yes. How can we engage young people? Maybe it's by being flippant and stupid. Yeah. They're just not the ones that they, they need to know themselves well enough to realize that we don't want snarky cute culture from them. We want policy and right understanding and engagement with what people are actually concerned. That, that's a good new tweet new policy. Oak. Good. The problem with any of the, the people that are politicians for career. They they just want that position. They want the power. And that's what they're truly fighting for for most of their career. Right. And so when they get in the position of like being in the DNC you're being the social media person. They're they're not trained that they're just trying to up their position in this if so they get in this position. And they're not good at their job because they've been playing politics inside this thing. Right. So it's God. I mean, we're fucked is what I'm saying. You can say what you want about the right. But those dudes are killers. Yeah. Right. And they're coming in, and they're no, they're not just like, hey, mom. I'm the head of social media for the right to know they're like. Hey, we're going to take the heads off a gays now because I'm charge a Twitter for the RNC. Right. That's the who it's that fear thing. So Machiavelli thing now the Dow to do. Yeah. Win with fear like like fears greater than respect all that goods. Conquer to do. They're the right is very good at up have many causes to divide them. It's just like we won't money and power. Yeah. Wage issue in the left is like can everyone be happy? Right. Right. Yeah. But not as much as me reproductive rights. Mama. Honey? What other buzzwords I honestly, hire me? I'll all right. Your tweets. Freedom the house down boots. You know this I can solve. Okay. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah. I I don't they probably won't like retract it. They'll just be like oops, hopefully hopefully they're not just like nailed it. But I, I think this is getting enough backlash that they'll just on some other poorly thought out strategy truly Biden's, the man, we want to grab our ass. Right. Pullback pullback fullback. Oh man. He's, he's going to be our nominee. Right. I feel like that's what's going to happen. Yeah. I think it's like a family. It's like when you when you want us to have a real choice. No, no, no. And when you you in the family, or like going to, like to like, eat, food, you're like I should we eat she eats, this super specific cuisine, or should we go to this sandwich, American salads place? If we go to sandwich, American salads, everyone's going to be able to eat something right? Yeah. Not like any of it. Oh, yeah. It's terrible quality. Yes. The lactose intolerant. People are severe misery and their health might be endangered. But right. But that's I don't even agree with. I think the problem with that metaphor is like it's not a specific restaurant. It is like no, we're the other candidates like Biden. Is that like bland everything, and then you've got Warren and Bernie Sanders, who were like, we have health food? Yeah. Yeah. Have what will make you better and it tastes attached. Great. It tastes better, and everyone will like it. Right. And people are like. No, he, he friend with Obama. Friend, my friend, pointing out the other day. He's like, isn't it odd that there's a health food section in the grocery store? Yeah. That's a good point amazing. Yeah. Other stuff is more death. Food sickness food. This causes chronic illnesses fun food. Yeah. Exactly. All right. We're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back. Am I it's me Jack from work? Oh, dailies. I gather anyways, have you been checking out the economist, course you're talking about the weekly magazine that offers insight opinion in international news, and US news and many other times, that's right. Don't domes helps leaders prepare for what's going on in the world around them. It has been a trusted source of intelligence for over one hundred seventy years, you come system, the noise in hand picks the central nation that tells the real story balls, it up into a fist punches it in here. Great Haywood, if you've been reading in the economist lately, Jack about how American voter don't care, a family yet, Konomi, brother. We'll, I've been reading about how the tree war would shied us change global business. Guess what we still got on your side. All this learnings making me so mad for your free copy of the economist just Texan. So I to ninety nine thousand. That's right. Texts site to nine nine zero zero zero at get your free copy of the economy. Get some learning. Indoor back and OJ Simpson head one of the strangest coming out parties on social media, since Garth Brooks is Facebook fan page. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that video, where I'll just wanna have a conversation. Yeah. I think we have a clip of what that sounded like, I guess it's official, we're now on Facebook. I really wasn't sure about this start. But then a friend of mine, said something, they'd just made all kinds of sense. She said think of it more as a conversation. I like that. I'm already finding out on my own said. It's wiping the walls out between you and me. And I really liked that it allows us into each other's worlds, or, I guess, in my case, the hotel room. I think about things I wanna post, I wanna post cool stuff slick stuff, meet stuff. But most of stuff, I'm gonna post going to be Ross stuff like this. So. So if this is truly a conversation. That makes him stutter. That literally made me nauseous, and I'm not kidding. It's so weird. You have to watch it because his delivery is also among the more effected like he, he gives a performance that suggests that he is like trying to imitate a pickup artists trying to fuck. The camera is, like it's a false sincerity on the level of what it is. So next level I bad youth. Pastor dress sleep with, like a seventeen yes. Yes. To fish? Well, I remember when he came out, I was like I just cry laughing, that's always been my suspicion is he's trying to fuck everybody's aunt and all time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what he's trying to do, just like a little overweight. He's a you know, I think you're special stunning women have thrown themselves at hair, and he's like, not what bones. Oklahoma. I think you're special was far more convincing than anything in that video. He's capable of sincerity. Like, I think you were too attached you emotionally available. He's trying to make an arena fill space, right? I'm trying to make disconnected. He hasn't been around somebody who said an honest word to him in a decade. And so it's just that's what that looks like it's really worth watching. I think it's going to be a museums than the future. People should watch a Garth Brooks is first Facebook fan page video, because that's what you should show to your handlers. Right. They're hiring. If I ever looked like this. You're not fired. I'm going to have someone murder. And just so, you know, you signed a contract that says that's okay. That's okay. All right. Today belongs to OJ guys, so J. Join Twitter, Tropicana. Ads. My God, you're like you're an average. So OJ. Join Twitter, literally days a couple days after the twenty fifth anniversary of the murders of Nicole Brown. Simpson and Ron Goldman. And he, he announced that the account will be a lot of fun. And that he's got. He also said he's got some things to straighten out. And then when somebody asked him about the account like a media outlet was like is that really you? He was like, yeah. I've got some things to get off my chest or something like that. So this man who got away with murder in the most public way possible has revenge in his heart. What would seem on the surface to be the luckiest anyone has ever got ever. He. He's pissed off cost him a lot. Yeah. That's true. That's true. He was like it, cost him a lot of money. Anything? Get to be OJ the way he was J. Yeah. You just think that having that reality of murdering people in the back of his mind. Like how that looked like it hurt. Like, I don't I o a debt to? I don't think university. I think that guy if you I watched that video, because I'm human person. And I was very interested book. I, he just there's no. And it may be very, very deepen their like right before he falls asleep every night, and he's only just crazy, right? Yeah. But every other instance you see him it is not it just feels like he feels like I didn't do this. He's convinced himself over time he owed related is the inside of his brain looks like the turnover control room. You guys that. Yeah. The papers flying every tax law is like it's fine. The court has not exploded and everyone else is like guys the core exploded, but we can all acknowledge but DeAnne love those, the lights, blinking everywhere the. Well, and he still not wrong about certain stuff like he's crazy famous in the consequences for his actions weren't that severe fame ones. Yeah. Right. But he's still in Florida mixing, it up every day. We don't hear about it. And I think that is his revenge on now is like he's going to just start tweeting how fun his life is bread. So his lawyer came out and said that OJ will be using Twitter to try to control his own narrative, countering rumors and misleading statements like President Trump. And this is the first time that it's been explicitly connected. But this is the thing that kind of media, theorists have been calling out a lot is that, you know, back in two thousand sixteen. We got all this OJ material. We got a American crime store. Or the people vs. OJ simpson. We got that incredible documentary on ESPN about OJ and his trial in the aftermath in his gay dad, right? And. Neither here nor there. But, but people have pointed out that the trial is kind of a precursor to the Trump presidency, not just like the media circus aspects of both, but also the exploitation of communities that were oppressed or bleed themselves to be oppressed in order to further their own self interest, and then I also think there's just something about both where there was this twenty four hour media, feeding frenzy, where they were able to create an alternate reality. If you were just paying attention to that, and just hang attention to this one version of reality. Like you're seeing these supposedly outwardly, saying, people just saying a thing that isn't true. But you're not the human brain isn't used to that. And so it creates a separate like version of truth, I guess, and took a fiction book versus a nonfiction book, right? But it's brought to you with all the trappings of nonfiction, right? Yeah. He has. He just has, like, mega CT, right? He's just like his brains all scrambled up. Well set I think American not even Americans human beings throughout here street. We are fascinated with people that don't admit fault. And if in yet in if you're doing it at that level, I'm going to tune in every time, right because we do want to see when they break because all humans all of us our whole life. We see where that line is. And then we're or moral compass falls is usually where we're like all right. You got me. I did this. I'm not gonna I'm tired of this. But this these are two men who were decided. No didn't do it. Brett and like no, but we call you do in this, this, and this not didn't do it. And they're doing it on television for all his watching the right. This is the biggest this is like. Not just your mom or the principal. The world is trying to catch you Brett and you're going nad do. And everybody's like I kinda like this. I think, yeah, I do think in this, I think is similar like, like we're obsessed with people who are like disasters and then rehab themselves more than people who were just good the whole time. Right. Like we're like oh, can you believe it? Chris Brown is sorry. That was a piece of fucking shit. Yeah. And it's like no, no, no, no. But wait. But what about this artist? This artist is very talented and Hamilton. Yeah. It's been amazing. Or in be singers. They were just and I don't even know his name. Exactly. So there you go, right? Just like we're not interested in people who are just good. We're interested in like journeys, and like people learning or not learning from their mistakes, which is so fucking, it sucks. Well, there needs to be a comic book with the talent. And I think that's where the victim hook. And I don't know if this is just a weird theory. I have words it's like. Where there's a currency in victimhood now never was. And I think a lot of that had to do has to do with the talent contest where the American idol was the first real one where it was like there's eight amazing singer. Sue should have their own careers. But we only get to pick one. Let's find out whose life was the saddest right? A win. Yeah. And then we give credit to whatever that is. And so now everyone's like, yeah I'm good at this. But my dad beat the fuck out of me, but you're not even good at the thing, right? No. But my dad was mean. Yeah. Yeah. So I get to be a singer now. Can't sing. Your dad, dad. Yeah. And I mean, the this huff post article pointed out like that, when you don't have much to lose like that, that seems to be the point that both OJ and Trump were at where they felt like they didn't have much to lose. And so they were able to just like break free from what they call the shackles of objective truth, and your own passed and set it used to call objected. Truth truth. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Another reason that he might be coming to Twitter. Now is that Ron Goldman sister? Kim just launched a podcast where she talks about. Hell Jay killed her brother. Hint. She never names him. She just calls him the killer. Yeah. That's called them the killer, though time. That's amazing. Yeah. But she has she was on a our favorite show on the dailies like FOX and friends, where she wondered aloud if, if her podcast would cause, like some sort of break in him because the last time somebody did a like there was a book that was the Goldman's version of things was, if I did it in two thousand seven where they changed it so that it just said, I did it in big letters, whatever, and that book was published the day before Simpson committed armed robbery and Las Vegas that caused them to spend nine years in jail. So she's wondering if like her releasing a podcast is going to cause him to lose his shit in some in some way, the heart. Yeah. Yeah. Can't believe he's five. It's really weird. I truly heard multiple people say that, that it's just weird that OJ Simpson is alive. He's just out there and he murdered people got away with it. And yeah. Basically everybody knows it everyone. Knows it. Yeah. It's all say it again. It's just like Casey Anthony like we'd know she did it right? Yeah. The, the evidence is insurmountable, but they just they, they fucked up and they like they may take took too big of a swing right? Like they're like, we wanna, you know, they, they prosecuted there who also had that crazy sickness. We're talking about. We're have you heard story about her saying, she worked at this place, and then taking the detectives to Zanny? Yes, she said, Zanny the nanny steady named a lady named Zanny was Hernandez, and then, but this that one made more sense. The one that was the craziest, which, by the way, it doesn't sound like a big hit in. Yeah. We'll zanex. Any person riots? And then she took him to like a studio of she'd, she told people that she worked at Universal Studios. Yes. Yes. Student and went there and said, hey, I work with like a detective and somebody else, and walk through, and like people were looking at her weird like in chooses, like waving at people like while she's walking through like you know, the cubicles and got to the end of the walkway. Yeah. Of a hall that was just a dead dead in, and she turned around, I don't actually wear care. I just made that. Yeah. Wait. What is that disease? That is, that's it narcissism. Like, you're like I will just lie to grad of whatever and I'll find a reason that's at nursing. I'll break with reality. Yes. I'll find a reason while I'm walking them through and come up with a new line of why great who I am. Because the world doesn't revolve around you. And at a certain point, you either have to come to terms with that fact, we're just be like, I don't believe that when you did. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna just continue to exist in a world where I create my own reality love to thank you. She just keeps like, oh, they build a wall here that wasn't here. Yeah. The ability of the human mind case terrorists, I get the guy who knocks down walls. I don't know you. That's my sister. Wall or. Anyways. OJ's appearance on Twitter didn't have anything to do with Father's Day, even though it coincided with Father's Day, although his second his son was like. Gift. He could've given unreal. His second tweet was he was like, oh, well, it's Father's Day, just want to call out that I am not coordinate kardashian's father. I never had sex with her mom. I wasn't the like that. With anyone saying that Jenner said that she had sex with him. Yeah. I think she did. She's. And they know jersey not in. Yeah. Nope. Anyways, another tweet that happened on Father's Day came from Bill Cosby, and I could just see the texts that Kim sent her right after she said, I had to actually or anyone centers like why. Why mom, why onlin fine mon- shut the fuck up mom's? Okay, sorry. You were going to say sorry, I wanted to just note that another suffer of this disease. Bill Cosby, I think fame is really good. At exacerbating this disease. He is in prison, obviously. But he was able to get his lure to tweet forum. It's America's dead. I know it's late, but to all of the dead's, it's an honor to be called a father, so let's make today a renewed oath to fulfilling our purpose, strengthening, our families and communities. So, you know, more of the sort of lecturing that caused Hannibal breweries in the first place to be like, you're, you're a rapist, dude. GM out. Yeah. I mean I saw him this. I mean he's always been like this is him in Seattle, probably eight or nine ten years ago, probably longer than that. Now, if I think about, but I was like three rows back in he does a bit. He's wearing department store. Sweatpants crocs in a t shirt tucked in we paid a hundred and fifty dollars. I that I notice that is very nice Benaroya hall. It's very nice in Seattle and. And then if ten minutes into his act, he goes into the bid about kids today, don't dress. Right. They need to wear a suit and tiny pull their pants up. And I just I was so hard for me, not to be like, motherfucker. You got sweat pants on FOX, not pay two hundred fifty dollars to see you. Yeah, the bummer. Yeah, but that's the disconnect of where you're like, dude. Yeah. Do that bit. Also when you're the that damage of a narcissist. I'm sure it's just very easy for you to be like, okay. People people were mad at me. But now they're cool with me friend. No, we're mad. We're going to stay mad. Yeah. I thought like a father's date. It's it is insane like, like a someone who was so widely loved unlike who's television show was, like integral to a lot of people's development is young people is now deleted and cancelled, by the way that post ended with the telltale sign of brick from reality, just a cl- a flurry of hashtags, hashtag far from finished, and hashtag favorite dead four from Finn ship that so again, just like, oh, Jay was like I got some things to straighten out far from finished, very easy to read, as a threat also disturbing detail from the story, Cosby reportedly has been decorating his cell with. Posters of Megan FOX, Megan, Markle beyond say and Kris Jenner. I really wanted to all. A why I wanted it to be all mega. Once you start with Meghan Markle, and Megan FOX. Mccain. No, he's been Meghan. I can't think of another mega. He's been trading snacks for the pictures of the women. So, you know, they say in true, yeah, hopefully, he's pulling Shawshank and tunneling his way out because the only other option is that he's jerking off to it. And I don't want that to the study was blind. Yeah. I think he's mostly blind like legally blind like not like opaque, complete darkness. Boy, they just told him that was who the pictures Charles gently now which J, lo and. He's really loves Charles Barkley now. He's. Thank God is he told that was beyond say. Bill Cosby came out as queer. Yeah. Oh, didn't Roseanne come out as queer and no one cared. Well, she's always came out is like she has schizophrenia multiple personality. So when she comes out as queer, like which one. Yeah, who? Yeah, which one of you and she's like Rosie not an new year new year, who it is. By the way, schizophrenia, multiple personality are not the same thing. Well, but that is you might have won one of her personalities might have schizophrenia. That's true. Bill Cosby sucks. All right. We did want to check in with the Taylor swift video. That is setting the internet a buzz. I don't know what it's doing to the internet. But fire a flame. Yeah a flame. It's you know, I listen to the song and immediately both liked it. And thought it was overtly borrowing from a this knife. Song, heartbeat Saja, and DJ, Dan, all of thought it was borrowing from the sun, flat that sunflower song by post Malone and Swaley. And he actually put the post Mansue Lee sung overtop the Taylor swift song. And it sounds great sounds like it sounds like basically, they're different parts of the same song. So we're gonna play a little bit of that. Oh. Don't know. It's just like. And he didn't. Don't what you say this beat is. Exactly Vitas dope. But it's not like a remix of fence along. It's not an echo. They. And he didn't like pitch it up or you know, nothing has been manipulated. He just took one song and put it landed up with the other song. So it's, it's not the most original song. It is kind of the first song where we're seeing sort of an activist streak from Taylor swift and is very pride themed yes, there's a lot of queer eye content. Got I can't wait till I'm like, part of the queer luminosity. Wait till I'm just like the N P H where they're just like they just call you when they're doing something gay. And they're like, do you wanna come began thing and you're like, yeah. I'm sure it pays too much. But yeah, there's a lot of people in it. There's drag queens recall. Okay, here's here's here's my whole thing on this. It's kind of, it's kind of, like kind of ties back into my opinion on trash Sierra and stuff like that. It's like we could fight it or we could sit back and let it happen. This is going to happen. This is going to happen this summer. You could fight it or you could let it happens. Let it ride. Let it do the good. It's going to do and just ignore the bad, that because I think someone is my I think, someone who came to Taylor was, like you turn do Madonna shit like. You know that she real cool with the gays right? Right. And in Taylor reside. Yeah, I'm gonna my new elm will look like Lisa. Frank did too much cocaine. Dilly waiting and Anna this morning. Both came in and separately said the same thing that they think Taylor swift is an AI program, which I think there's actually like her parents, Billy wing, you were pointing out we're hedge fund people like, and the like head wondering millionaires. Yeah. And those people saying entire processes to create algorithm, learning to figure out how to game and beat complex systems. So I don't know. I mean, they were like this trialed investment. We made money. I like music in the excellent. Yeah. Nashville, we will corrupt this system. But I think the thing you guys are responding to what I was kind of getting there is like a even the pride stuff is completely devoid like it's a bunch of signifier 's and cultural touch points. But there's not a lot of humanity like that is involved like you don't get the humanity of the people that she's bringing into co-starring video napkins all the time. Right. Drag queens. They also just got ripped into a Madonna video that, of course, did poorly put a lot of gay people. Get dragged into these things because Madonna's turning into the wicked witch of the west. I enjoy I've never been a fan. I just feel like she's just she keeps writing. She's at the crap table, and she refuses to cash, cash out girls me dip lows cock. That's dry. Okay. I'm gonna go hip hop. Again. Okay. So anyway, what was I gonna say it was like, I guess, the thing that bothers me out, as a queer person is like, there's a lot of people are constantly competing for table scraps. And like we're constantly being invited to these big parties as excessive fees. And of course, we say yes to it, because how many jobs do drag queens offered very few especially entertainment. It's like you're either a drag Queen or you're not like, so I guess it bugs me out that, like, we will be excess raise and then she'll move onto something in a couple in a year or two. We'll move on. Those drag queens will still be like holding onto their day rate check. They got that. Of course, it's gone gone. I was sagged for a year. Yeah. I don't I guess that's a calm conversation. So it is fucked up. This is going to keep happening as for the immediate future. I think you should just let the song happen, because it's, it's decently fun. And I don't know beats great. Who cares? It's a summer pop zone. All pop music can mean whatever you want it to if it's good enough. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. That's why music is better when you're young, you're having a better time music weird Tillis to the words. And you don't doesn't bother you that this has happened before I even know her and Katy Perry had a feud. Oh, yeah. That's the real headline guys. Is that? Her Taylor, swift and Katy Perry of made up. And none of us know the knew that they had a few. It's big news. Mono leisure having you. Where can people find? Oh. You can find me online at my name at mono, a gap, Ian. You can follow any of my stupid, Instagram accounts. I do a serial tasting thing now because that's the future called spoon me, and I have a patriot with Betsy Sadahro called we love trash, and I do a drag race podcast over at head gum. That is currently changing names. But a follow me you'll, you'll get to know all about how our, our drag chatting journey. Is evolving, right? Yeah. All that stuff, drag queens, because they're fun. And they can fight. It's like all the pomp and circumstance. It's like really fun. 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Podcast day comes back Sunday, only like four more sleeps. And we'll be in game of thrones land. Karen as the eight biggest questions and bachelor ahead of game of thrones final season. This is on the big lead dot com. They got ours for some different things. I would like to to to get them. Get some bets on the on the record, which you okay? All right. The first question is this who are you kill I from her list in the final season game of thrones. Okay. Serfaty. Mila, sandra? The hound. Ellen pain who I literally forgot was alive. I was dead. Barrick. Don Barrick, done Darian and the mountain. The eyes of seen to be skewing towards I guess the mountain is plus one thousand so I guess that means he's harder to kill. I don't know. I say Servcie because because she had says headed out for her for a loan long time that woman destroyed her family. She owned a list. Now, certainly does have the lowest of like like she has the highest probability. It'd be killed. According to their is makers. Right. So you go to easy one. I feel like the hound is gonna kill the mountain. So I'm gonna take the mountain off mind feel like that is his fight. Okay. Burned his face. And there was kids. He's looking forward Wien JR. He is Millicent fields too easy to kill right. Mostly gosh, he was. She was go ill and pain because none of us give it down. So it was like a good little like Rev up to be like all she are her murderers shit, y'all you know, after she fade somebody their family in a bread found debris. Yeah. I feel like that little psychopath is on on a Rabin's train. Yeah. This was definitely a family recipe. So my Twitter try to me because you know, they like team are your versus sizes. And you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking both of them. Right. But somebody tried to tell me that she's not a psychopath. And I said was she okay? Killing a person get revenge coup. Rare wedding was horrible. You know, how long it takes to come up with a recipe to cook human beings and bread and feed it to a motherfucker mound. You gotta get your flour. Right. Joe baking soda come on. What what what was the the wet dry mixture? I mean, this cannot be easy. Yeah. I mean, you got to roll it. I mean, I mean come on. You gotta let it sit in plump up like about this out of revenge. I don't think hotpot taught her how to make all that. No heating, not. So anyway, I feel like she's a bit of a and she faced off mask off. Yeah. You've got to be crazy. All right with Lancaster will die first and season eight certainty. Jamie tyrian. Jamie. Jamie Jamie has the second highest search has the lowest though like that saying, I think teary and product wheel. I don't know how you kill artsy. I I'm Bill. I think she's going to be one of the few people would is going to hang around like that. I don't know what's going to happen. You don't file do a trap? Don't know. But some gonna happen where she is going to be to me. I don't think she's going to get the throne. But I do see Hurley I actually see her killing, Jamie. Or Jaime queuing her rights, I see I don't think tearing is gonna make it. But I also could see -tarian actually live and long within both of them. Like they kill each other offer. He's still living. DR says he has a soft spot for bastards and broken things. So maybe Tyrian, but I feel like. I feel like seriously dies last. So I'm gonna say Jamie dots. I I think Jamie dies fighting north of the wall with the night king because he don't come from this. And you only got one hand and they've been located for shadowing that he not as nice with his left as he was what his right? Got the hand of gold. Right. Like, you know, he gotta figure out, and I don't think it's going to happen. Cambronne ain't going to be able to always save him from in die right before he getting roasted by the dragon. Right, right. They both magically fall into the water. They just happened to be beside them come down fully immersed in armor. Jamie your water, and you still came back up to live Jamie should've been flame. Don't do. They both should've drowned or he should've tied to take off. I know he weighed a thousand pounds without that. I'm alright no man is strong. I'm Ron not Liber on. Is brand the night Kane. Yes. Plus three hundred no minus four hundred. So do you think brand is the Nike that is a very like spirit Oriel? No hot. No. I don't think he's a night king. But I think that he's going to play a role if they defeat the white Walker. She I think he's gonna play a major role is gonna come out with a magical like all hands on deck shit. Yeah. He already magically talking to trees and stuff like that. So especially going to happen. I'm gonna say, no. But I won't walk and his time travel. Power scare the hell out of me and his mystical weirdness. Why maybe there's a way that he somehow from the past future? My thing is why tonight king always willing to kill them running them down. Who is he running for running from himself? That makes no sense. Maybe he'd been through some shit. I don't know on some back to the future shit anticipates confuses, you he didn't even go through all this training. Is to be killed in season eight. All right. So these I guess the the people with the negatives are highest is so scarred from the highest to the lowest. Okay, I don't know is just like a agree or disagree thing. Like, I feel like all these guitar. I see is the highest is of being killed in the last season. Oh, yeah. She going back. Okay. At her bears who wears his hat to. Because this whole thing bears is like we joked about it. But he is lily a walking internet like he knows everything he sees. But it's internet got a virus. Because the old boy took his little bird Icke is it was telling them everything I call them various Hilton because he knows everybody's business and stays with the t come on because data because there's a prophecy that he was gonna die. Like, I remember the rare which told him they if he came back to this land, he was going to die, and you know, his medal and asking Cain, stay out of west coast. So he did Jamie is at the bears. Once again came fry going into a big fight only got one hand. I hate it for him. But I think he got to go, and it's weird because they were deemed Jamia so many ways he pushed that kid out there damn window and. Episode was happening here. Call me, Patty if you will. But you put a little kid out of a window and the things I do for love. Right. Come on. Now what you won't do. Apparently killing look is the. As the fourth. Low lowest is of making it out. I'm gonna say I'm gonna make it out because he keeps running. The runs and he jumps poorly. Right. Pulling into the water like our would. Oh. Lying that death. That was be me. And so yeah, I could see him because that's all he does. He runs deniro's is right under theon for us. Yeah. I see her also pretty low casino dime. But what they're going to. But but nowhere down. I don't wanna see daddy dive. But I don't know. She feels it's like if she don't die feel like she gets on the throne Kalisz. She's such a mad woman for that thrown -tarian. I would hate to see Terri and go I'm going to say he makes it all the way through I think so too. He might not be on a throne. But he beat a squad around the throne. I going to be a squad. I, you know, I think it's going to be somebody who's actually owned the throne position. Right. And did you gonna have like every president got to have a cabinet on the throne by the hand of the king, right? Spas under -tarian. I think makes it out a may two she'd been through too much, man. She went to all this shit to die. Now. How come on? Now. She's arrive John free. She's the virology Thursday, very all these kill little finger. I'll have dreams aspirations been destroyed. Come on. Now sounds we'll rooting for you. We are all ruined. They may put it, sir. Syed Jamie and Tyrian like I guess at the same time. I don't see a masking nods made they all going to be killed separately. They kill all the last time. The time line will be shambles. Okay. That's a lot of characters come out beloved aria is even to make it out. So I see that could make it out. Fifty fifty can make it in or out of this last season. I can see going either way. But like, I say our hunt Eirik your best if you change your whole appearance, I gotta do is trying to face. We'll never see her again, she can lily walk off into the sunset. It's also hard to believe they're like those faces mean canned like I feel like they remind me like wouldn't jet is down Star Wars where you like. Why I see a row, but he probably out there. Someone living male body. No death. You just the aria branch like two weeks later. Like what happened? I thought you got killed. Josh snow is gone. Now, he has favorable is to make it out plus one fifty. Yeah. He heard that once but you're going to kill him again. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. This kind of like cheating. Yes. You already got one down brand plus two hundred and then San well with the highest is make it out plus two fifty I see stemware living because San whale on them old mean they picked him because he wanted to like learn shit. And they was like, you can't learn boy, he gonna mess around and take all day jobs. They're going to be an environmental books, and he going to be knowing he got a college degree come out and got a girlfriend and a baby come on and got his daddy sword. Right. He got a cosmic green his girlfriend got her GED, and they're going to take they baby and move on gilliardi learning to re I mean, I feel like he's really like the jeffersons of the mall. All they moving on up. Gimme is like, oh, this is nice. Will the Nike hangs advised season. Eight a game of thrones. Okay. So here's the thing. If the answer is yes, then they one right, right? Dad? They're the only people owner show that only got one goal which is killing every other person on his show everybody. So if the answer is yes, then I mean that's episode. A is just sitting on the throne Donald turn into ice a MBA like good night. Everyone lost the game with me. Everybody loves. Who will kill Thursay? Jamie care has Jamie. He's claiming aria he's plus one eighty aria is the only person what higher is him plus one fifty aria. Aria actually getting close to him. Because jamie. Him. It's supposed to relationship is strained. And she feels like he's not loyal. So I can see her guard equa being up more around him. But I can see are you misread and be some serving as a it's of a man and be like, oh, remember me right now, there are more of the people on this list. They say could kill her. Let's talk about them. Okay. Santa. I can see it. You know, say as a lot of things I don't know if since the killer yet. You might command somebody else Tokyo, but she ain't a killer. No one. No one Kelleher. She listed thing. Now, she got the dial. Okay. Now, she she was sipping tea while the whole place tools were green via of flame. Right. And and she she was looking at a burn let it burn that rhythm. Hope ways burn dog. It was like, Ooh, I don't care pants MU cheese tearing. I can't see tearing killing his sister. He got a soft spot. He went to not confront her last season. And they ended up having a heart Phil conversation. And she says she was pregnant he looked like he just all the red left his face. Denarius? Obviously her sticking to drag. And I haven't been torturing her listen being eaten by dragging. That would be so cathartic not now. Now, I not a low-key could use that. I see that being option where she's like, oh, I've had enough of you like her constantly, quote, unquote. Because at first I'm not working with them. She's in a white Walker. She was like, oh, I might change my bitch while you're welcome so radio to accuracy her trying to do something in cross the Nares. We're not going to do this. Right. And even saying that while she went right back to like unbothered. I okay day real. But I'm still trying to win the throne. Right. John killing Sirsi. I can't see them killing a woman and then the night Kane. No, you're making canes thing is he he she falls into the everybody category. You're on. Your great joy, whether you see my he's crazy. But you know, what he will be one or two wildcards as somebody like him lily will come out of nowhere lie. I don't think he would do it because he wants to throw him so bad. He sees her is the only way to get it. Correct. So I don't think he would do it. And she crazy so and they working together. Remember, right. She crazy. So he thinks he crazy. He crawls that one. She will fuck up a Lara. Casey what? No, don't it. The lawyers like chained up in the basement right being torture and still. Yeah. If she's still the mountain that's Mosley prepared like tantrums. And in the mountains be like, you know, what I am the strongest in this month long cane, though, I am sick yell shit. Giora? No, quiet, burn. And then lastly alcohol, which is not listed. She just dies with alcohol poisoning. I'm on alcohol for the win. Dies in asleep. Finally tied one too many Olympics blows that would be my sleeper pick. And then the last couple bet who appears first signs of starker aria. Sons they got to the patient first. I can't see either one number really die. But I feel like if one was a die actually be aria because Arias stay out. Stay is from shit. Oh, yeah. She, but they're fighting life. So I was trying to stay in house. Okay. I'll need thinks that thrown like if she were to get to it will be completely about protecting. Our so come on. And then the last one is is to rule west rose who is on the throne the highest percentage of like the highest is to get on the throne brand. I don't see him on the throne, which is kind of like hedging your best. Right. Because you think he's a night game. And you think he's brand you can almost can get both right? Josh, no. Possible sadza. I don't see her on a throne. I just don't see it won't. I don't think she does I can see her life. But I don't want the throne. I could see you're getting it only out of protection for ourself. Like, this is the place where I could beat the most protective, right? Yeah. No more. And it's also the place where you the most targeted agreed. Deniers I can actually see the nearest game to throw Gingrich. So a little finger. How old is this the house this nothing did all know, why people think? April second twenty nineteen. What are y'all gonna bring him back from the debt limping gown? Is he going to get a resurrection is a red which goes show up? Like, what is happening? He is gone -tarian. I can see tearing getting on the phone. I just don't think he wants it at this point. I don't think he won't sit either too much has happened. But he might take it out of responsibility obligation. I can see that John and donaire his baby. Okay. So she is going to get pregnant. There was no condoms. And there was no contest. Aria? Are you on the throne does not make sense? You're not about their life. She told John season one. I am not about to thrown life. What are you going to produce some babies for somebody Arias, not even going to even have a keen, she'd be running by herself. Thank you stand. Well. Does he Royal blood? He knows member who's day. He's supposed to get kingdom from his day. Okay. Sarci and Jamie and bears around it out. I think Jamie's definitely dead. So no, there's definitely going to die and search is definitely. Yeah. None of them. None of them. Make it for me. They all did. Congratulations. Because some will was live my dedicated to me and my birth. My my eighteenth birthday was I boy, you ain't shit. You ain't getting my kingdom. Right. All right. Let's get into some other stuff. George r Martin doesn't think the show should be ending it. Didn't about actually finished a book. I mean, I really hate to beat at Frank which finished the book now by George Lucas was Star Wars where it's like, it's not yours anymore. Sh-? It's ours. Now. We took your story. Okay. You took a long as break in my thing. Is this these actors have Lilly been doing this show for years? You know, they ain't gonna be young forever. You know, and his things where they may want to do other projects and you've seen some of them. Do it the project. They don't want to be tied to the show forever. So I wish more TV shows will have a beginning middle end and just wrapped that shit up. Everybody ain't going to be supernatural be around. Fifty years rap dish it up, y'all. Also, what are you supposed to do it costs? Millions of dollars to make an episode cranky going forever, right? You can put that book out twenty years from now people will still read it. They can't take this Paul some HBO, and they are it took two years off, which is a very long period of time face peo- between their series longest ever. So in my opinion. I think that it was probably the best thing. I turned up his four put him to take this break because with them taking a break. People will watching you gave them time to catch up. People who never watched the show got to watch this show. So now when the show comes back, I think this is going to be delayed audience ever, in my opinion. Yeah. I can't wait. But yeah, this thing that it shouldn't be in. And I'm kind of glad that it is ending. You know, it has become no into sometime, and I'd rather them go out on a hop. Art. I know in the stick around until people get tired of it and take it for granted. Let me too, and I actually for HBO it gives them time to focus on somebody's other shows because I'm gonna tell you right now. Nothing brings anybody together right now right now, nothing is in lessee about owner station outside of game of thrones. She yes, they have other shows. She shows might be great. But what what other? They TV shows. Everybody's like I have to watch. Right. He says I don't think it should be the final season. But here we are it seems to me we just started last week has it been longer than that the time has passed by a blurb. But it's exciting. I know it's an end, but it's not much of a name for me. I'm still deep in writing the books. We saw five other sequel shows in development, I think I'm going to be hanging. Around west rose while everyone else is left. He laughed, and I think my biggest thing about this. And I will continue to say this. I am glad that HBO. Is to the point now where their past the books because as many people, you know, last year not last year, but like a few years ago constantly complain about rape. I'm not watching this show about raping out. Guess what? Once they start following his shit. They're raped went down. I think if HBO would have been doing it their way from the beginning, we wouldn't have had all that sexual content. Not did we wouldn't have sex. But we wouldn't have had it just for. I can't he just just and think the critics they learned from the criticism as well. Ryan, you're watching season one this today and singing like how many scenes were just like exposition with people having sex with someone naked or, you know, women and prostitutes and stuff all the time. Like it was kinda right egregious compared to like after they got off book. It just hasn't been that at all, right? And so, you know, people, you know, I don't hear about it publicly talking about a audit shit went down once they got off script, quote, unquote. But that's the fact and also I will continue to say this now book readers hashtag, but somebody our Dicks. So I'm glad. Knows the folks going on. I don't have to worry about jell spoiling this shit. I don't have to worry about you. What can you wait till you get this? You think you dropping ahead with just boiling the movie, so every nobody no. And I like to once they got our book shit sped up. You know, you you put a raven out. The raven takes half the season to get their Arabian, go up to death like a phone call techs. But in fifteen minutes, he has the nation. Yes. The foot flab flack row. Flour raven. Get this shit on are now getting to some other articles guys going on today. A driver was stunned after finding a horse having sex with a car it mistook for another horse. First of all, how do you know it mistook that car for another horse? Maybe it's always is in the fucking cars. You don't know that for sure we don't speak horse. He was checking it for how many hosts how much horsepower it had. Okay. All right. That must've been the must've been in what the problem was Karen. Got that guy that got it. He thought it was a Mustang. Now, maybe it was a wagon. Okay. So payroll. A woman. One an insurance payout. Because a Randy stallion. We're still car for another horse at hump vehicle damaging in excitement. Good god. How long does it take the realize you're not booking another white animal? The another host pissed onto this. Oh, use nailing. Yeah. I don't know the frisky animals was among the stranger claims UK sure's giant of Eva dealt with last year at a range for the body work of a car repaired after the stallions took the car for mayor got his legs up on the vehicle and proceeded to hump it man, how strong they can just do that to a car and break it horses are strong is fucking. What causes are huge animals guy. Like sperm all of your horse on particular wasn't up on hiring are. Are. Your car. Like like get some glasses. Have context horses. I don't know. I feel like that horse has very strange life of just being like is that a tree or better? Better take a change in the car while the fucking today opened the blouse like that focused is they saw apparently. Yeah. Bali behavior other clients monkey and a bungalow burger trapped in the shade prompted some other us claims for property damage. But yeah, the horse one was the one that really set it off. I I don't even know what you do is. Sure must be such a weird gig. Are you? Sure, you didn't just drunk drivers shit until you have to videotape. Something like that lily was somebody actually to believe you, right? This just tell the truth. Like what what are you hitting? Ryan, they have no the hook Princeton this come on. Now. Listen, there is a condom on my car. And I know it came from a horse because it is a Trojan. Woman causing the horse is I mean goddamn. Because now now on one about a burglar in her bathroom, but it turns out to be a roomba. If you wanna plow. Yeah. Vacuum type thing. Yes. So she called my one one and waited for the police arrive they show up. She's like listen underneath the door. I can see like a shadow song. He's banging on it in my bathroom the door is locked. But I need to come out here. Real quick, I'm terrified and police show up, of course. And seven minutes. So it must be good neighborhood. They surrounded the house. They call it in the canine for hell. And they go in the order to suspect. It's the render the burglar just does not surrender. He just keeps running into walls. They finally break it to the bathroom with their weapons. Drawn a here. Right bagging against stuff. They break in the find is a room. Now, how do we know about this story? I don't know because the police cowardice. They put on there there. I think Facebook wall. As we entered the home, we hear rustling in the bathroom. We may several announcement and wrestling became more frequent we breached the bathroom door and encountered a very thorough. Vacuuming job being done by roomba robotic vacuum cleaner. Nothing was taken except some dust on the floor clear. Here's the thing. I don't think the police should be added. Like tell me that I'm upon. You know, what I mean, it don't feel right at the police could just relying. I tell my story. That's a whole another thing. Right. Hey, let's laugh at Disney. They call nine one one. I was bullshit. You know, like they don't have these stories when it's like a somebody called nine one one on an innocent person innocent black person like try to get coffee. Starbucks like, where's that? Where's that cute Facebook post? Okay. Like, I don't want to if I catch scares me at three AM, and I called now a one to check outside my house. I don't want them the basic on Facebook. It'd be like, hey, y'all Raza bitch. He was scared of a cat look at this. Look look hitting outside his front door, and he called us like like we were supposed to do some. So we came and gave the cat milk and shook his hand and said, all right. Then palm like I don't like like this. How? Watch our report on stuff y'all do wrong. How about that pregnancy? Traffic tracking apps pregnancy tracking Avs share data with users. Employers says report fucking this. Why Daily Beast dot com? Employers came reportedly paid the developer of pregnancy. Tracking nap to get de identified aggregate information of workers, pregnancies, including how many workers were using at the general health of the pregnancies and win new MAs plan on returning to work. No, no, no. This is my police state type shit. No. Why would you even need? All this much information about you from your employees issue. Insurance rates. They can figure out how to fucking Jack. You're eight up with something that only affects women. Women have to pay more anyway from insurance on average than men. So yes, just something to fucking Jack your race. If all of a sudden, you might have C-section we're gonna charge you more. What? Veteran is the way they get rid of the fuck up insurance shit. Like that is going to be a LA carte. You're going to pay for everything. Right. So according to the Washington Post tracking app Oviedo encourages women to input data related to their pregnancies from the early months to the birth of their child the app. Terms of use agreement reportedly gives the developer ever vocal license to utilize exploit their personal data including sale lease or lending the data to third parties. How is this big all employees? I guess if you put it in that agreement people sign away on you go. Hey agreement. You didn't read I child, and they know if they told people they would say, no so be front employers who offer the apple longside or the health benefits reportedly have access to an internal employer website the shows workers health data while the data share with employers is only available aggregate form with no identity tied to the data health and privacy advocates told the post new wave of mistress. Valence is leaving women's private lasts acceptable to security risks and to be taken advantage of by employers. Right because one you could like maybe hacks it very decrypt sit. You got that stuff this data that you giving these people also maybe you can just figure it out. Maybe we track like this pregnancy is this mini pounds. This many years old. Oh, this is Brenda. You know, we know Brando's Guida. Baby. She does. But she barely got a brain people are being asked to do this at a time when they're incredibly vulnerable, and may not have anything where the data's being passed Cornell, professor care Levy, said overachieved executive pairs Wallace defended the data share and told the newspaper the data plays a vital role in helping the wellbeing of women while improving the bottom line of companies, look, no, no this is between me and my God damn doctor. No, what are you got to do with this shit? Just cover me. Also, does it improve the bottom of the company, right? Because my thing is this you don't count how many times how many time many Jack late in the day. This only affects women I don't know about that. That's weird to me said a lot of it is is the people's held because you know, they're probably Ted him if they have just stationed diabetes who's actually only happened during pregnancy any complications day may have, you know, impossibility if they have a miscarriage, you get this is too much infamous, why should my employer or no this? Them their job is I come to work. They pay me. They offer me insurance. They got down in right? Yeah. Also, it's the kind of thing where you might fire so money on something else. But really is to avoid the cost of maybe a complicated pregnancy your insurance somebody who has a high risk birds or something like that. Like, I don't like any of this shit. New OJ Simpson. Movie claims he's innocent allegedly reveals the real killer. Also, like cereal. Affects is hit series. American cross story prove that with his high ratings that people still care about OJ Simpson. Now new movie is heading our way that allegedly proves once and for all that the I kind of America football star and actor wasn't the person responsible for the horrific murder of his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson. You did what are we talking about here? Nikko and OJ is the name of the movie is coming from British writer director, Joshua Newton. The movie will Zamin facts to allegedly expose the real killer in a plot to frame OJ Simpson. And that's even if her family allows him to do 'cause you know, anything he do they're like we want to cook our money, you ain't doing shit with her name on it. What if he's involved in this in any way, he may not as public knowledge? So you might be able to make a movie without pay him Majid. That's what American crime story. Did they probably didn't pay him anything? The narrative is driven by agenda of minister media who got it all wrong. The film is the result of over a year and a half a research Newton's part as he's coward court. Documents witness interviews from the case leading auto way back to nineteen ninety four the validity of his claims won't be known until the movie comes out, but he is telling the decidedly different story from the one. We've been hearing all these years about what he's about to present. Newton says this all these years later the world is still fascinated by the OJ case, and they're still devise America, particularly along racial lines. Makola OJ will reveal the untold circumstances leading up to the murders. And why how Nicole and Ron were killed and a cover up that follow? Does. He think these are these people are killed nifty. Go into the conspiracy theories because I thought we were all on the same page on the OJ shed that he did it and got away. I mean. Paralegal pantley vast conspiracy framed OJ Simpson who was about to buy the NFL. What was he what? What was he what was he doing semi white people feel OJ need to be taken down? He was OJ like it's super wokers. A militant activists or anything like was like we gotta take OJ down by killing two people. That's the plan that will get that show. And then it didn't work because we were to change everything else conspiracy. Accept that. The reality is that OJ exploded into a rage because his grief repeatedly asking what do you mean? The is dead while detective on a phone kept telling him he has no information. This is just one example of many what a prosecution attended to the jury the press and the poli- thank thankfully the jury saw right through. And that's why OJ was acquitted. The media was assisted by prosecutors. Drawn unethical means to persuade public of his guilt because they knew their evidence with fail to persuade. The jury is very worrying OJ was fortunate that he could afford a brea defense teen challenge of prosecutorial system. More concerned with winning than about Justice. But what about the countless defendants what innocent and don't have any money? Justice for them is an acquittal is it license or even? Starring in the movie will be bores co Joe and OJ Simpson really Moores who is in any actor. You know, if you saw it was in one of the resin even movies. We saw ball hair black do kinda tall. He's cavern hearts like houses men shows. Man. I mean, I can sell us picture as OJ to like, this is a real thing that is happening. They have like set photos and make up and whatnot. He does have an uncanny resemblance to OJ like a young OJ Simpson. But this is just one time for you. Hope your agent would be like Boris. We can't do this you plan. The do we this is not fan fiction like you can't fan fiction actual like crime. This is this is highly irresponsible way. Am I still own that I go off the screen? Let's dig up the corner. Let me all right technical difficulties, but we back. So this is Boris Kodjo and OJ Simpson. Taking promo picks for the. I mean, he do like that. Do little like him. But why would you do this? Why knows not round face. That's. Skin tone. Don't let's not we don't have this land to him any further than than it is. But he's trying to him sale. Why is he doing this who are is people? How come nobody said? This might not be a great idea playing a dude they got away with murder. Just get it. So yeah, good luck to them in that movie that I probably will never see what is what British director coming in. And tell me stories like didn't. They also do the story where they put route fines and black faces. Michael Jackson or some shit like, maybe Levi shit alone. Maybe. Measles outbreak in New York City threatens a thousand dollar fines for. Unvaccinated Williamsburg residents back Nekia motherfucking kids New York City declared a public health emergency Tuesday over millions outbreak Senate in an ultra orthodox Jewish community. Order mandatory vaccinations in the neighborhood may a Bill to Blasi announced usual order amid where he said was a measles crisis in Brooklyn's Williamsburg section where more than two hundred and fifty people have gotten measles September. It's not as products come back. Right right in the thing is. Is very fucking frustrating to get people to understand the reason. Why people get sick is. Because the bulk everybody gets vaccinated for the people that are learning to the vaccination for the people to can't get vaccinated. The MO is long as the bulk of us, get vaccinations. You don't have these problems two hundred fifty people fucking ridiculous, right? I don't understand line is cool too. You get it and you'll baby or you'll babies dealing with like shingles or some shit that we thought went out in eighteen fifties. Right. Like, you're putting kids at risk that can't afford vaccinations. Adults. They catch it from our children, and you're opting now. And then this coming back like we are. So this is like the biggest of like example of why America has Trump is president this kinda shit where he just like. But I feel certain way I would like to feel that these vaccines are horrible. It's like, okay, but science and like. Like all the history and stuff Dion not member. When measles almost wipe the fuck out because we were vaccinating people. They didn't just happen for no reason, it was killing people and an scientists worked on it. And then they came up with a vaccine, and it wasn't. Nobody was getting it. You know, it's like the voting right, right? Like, they go you guys on the Voting Rights Act. Anymore? John roberts's. Like, why would you need it? Black people get the vote, and it's stupid away our setting. ID laws voter suppression comes right back because the thing that was making it fair was working. You don't then say, let's take away the thing that made fair then because this means we don't need it anymore. That's ridiculous. And that's kind of what this measles shave reminds me of just like the vaccines are working. So that's why we don't need them. There was no down syndrome before this. No. We just didn't know what we called it before the before. Now, you didn't know what to call autism before? Now, it doesn't mean autism never existed before now eight we just chain people in made, you know, and belittle people in and made people hire people in clauses and not talk about it. So I don't know this ridiculous. But I don't know what like thousand dollar fine should come with mandatory vaccination. I don't even know what that means. Because you can't force the to get back to the nation. But what they say is people who ignore the order will be fine. The thousand dollars steady said it would help everyone covered by the order get the vaccine. If they can't get it quickly through their regular medical provider. My question, then becomes who's going to city because nobody's going one of these jobs is going through the city got the right? This is essentially forcing me to get a vaccination. You can't legally find me freedom of speech or something. And we're going to end up in the same place. We are now with. Two hundred eighty five cases of measles last year. And also, they have I forgot article came out few months ago about a true dron that are like turning eighteen and getting their vaccinations. They grew up in households where people were antibac- Sers, they turn eighteen and it was like this. I'm getting vaccinated and the relationship between them and their parents and shit like dad, and you know, how put stress on a household, but you know, you're eighteen and all of a sudden you getting fucking shots as you should have gotten when you will newborn or five. All right. Let's go to Marg aims guy of a little bit of fucking with black people. Just fucking with those people. We're just. With black people. That's why guys to play the game that we all hate the play fucking black people the game that we go all around the globe articles megadeal Wilson point scores zero to one hundred twenty five today's contestants everybody. All right. Let's see who's fucking day. Where we at. I'm on the wrong page. He would go. Here's one the FBI is steps into investigate suspicious. Fires at three historically black churches in Louisiana. What what a coincidence Abby is now investigating the burdens of three historically black churches in Louisiana all occur within a week of one another time where like there was like a rash of Barton charges like just three or four years ago. And we never got to the bottom of light. Was it arcing who was doing? It just kinda went away. A million's hard to catch arsonist. I don't know. If his arson and if is not ours, noon, like what a coincidence lightening striking everywhere. Within the same couple of weeks. Right. A March twenty six Saint Mary's Baptist church in port bar caught. Fire just a week later, April Sega greater union Baptist church caught fire and following after that Mount Pleasant church on April fourth we're very cognizant that there's a problem. There's no coincidence that there are three fires state fire. Marshall h Butch Browning said at a press conference last week. We believe that these three five are suspicious burning churches has historically been known to be an active violence often use to Arash racially abuse the black community we can't let this setback. Stop us from doing what God initially called us to do council. Vested pastor of Saint Mary's church said while members of the church are staying strong through the ordeal. Many now's the pain they feel losing their church on the fire greater union Baptist. Burn from the roof to the pews. Yes, that's not like this shit that what happened on purpose? I don't win. We find out of his arson or not sound like somebody put some gasoline everything from the roof to the pews day may show everything for combined zero two hundred hundred them as one hundred for me as well anytime just to imagery of it just hearkens back to so much like civil rights and Jim crow, south types. You can't you can't ignore it five times that apparently Candice owners lied to congress while testifying about white nationalism. Can't is owns guy on C span and live before congress. I don't know if you compare yourself in congressional hearings or not, but she lied about a budget stuff. But that is what she do does is lie. That's what she does for a living. She got hurt her hair. Like a broom, I don't know what was going on. Our foundation was flashy is. Like, I wonder if that's like the thing. What Republican black women is just like they can't go to us along. So they don't have places to go to get their hair taking care of like, not even privately secretly. You know, like not everybody got Rachel dole out in the community, come on and most assists alike. Nobis job will not do your hair. Right. That's my guess. But then the other thing could be today don't see color. So they just go into the supply. Fuck their hair up. Right. They wash it every day. And she it they go to fly pert, plus and. Hey this show. Right foot. They hear up and be like, but I don't see race and my hair products. Don't either Jay showdown. Yeah. Out on that they here, although I do like the idea of them going super cuts like after like, we have been looking for an alternative to the cookout. So. Some habits positive for black folks. Like, oh, we'll cookout I feel like the Republican Coon version that should be welcome to the super cuts. Welcome to the super Kirk I harmed. Cain. Welcome to the Suba. Come on have let everybody know what super footsie is doesn't show lineup up real quick. Let me put on my scissors to cut your hair all my sisters to cut your hair when I'm not trivial edges. Right. Let me go ahead. And just take care of that. You know, you go ahead and shop that chop off for you right there. You ain't getting near near near. We don't get them. Lie number one, white nationalist hate crimes are not on the rise. There's Trump says the hearing today is not about white nationalism or hey, crowns about fearmongering, power and control. She said the goal here is scare blacks Hispanics, gays, Muslims, helping Democrats descending opinions helping them regain control the funk outta here girl with no, no studies. Nothing you just say in supposed to be true lie. Number two, the time. White nationalism has no real meaning. Why supremecy racism why nationalism words that once hail real meaning have now become nothing more than election strategy. She said. This is why we read Email yesterday. I'm like, we can't both is this all I know the both sides. There's no this liberal bubble coming on the roost. We not what did how do you combat this because? Yeah. 'cause either you had to let it be which obviously we see what happens when you let it be. If you don't come back this, and you don't at least point out that is wrong problematic lies at best. Then you just had these people viewing their stuff unbothered, unfiltered, uncensored ages us propagating shit, donate a be or fuck out. I don't wanna go back to labor. I can't talk about nobody else. But I don't ever want to go back there. How do I talk to you nicely? When you deny like facts, don't, you know, like what is it? What is your ego be massage due to to help me? You know, number three. The southern strategy is a myth now this so ridiculous. Because the people used like raises people used to be Democrats now. And then I think it was was Jonathan. Johnson. I think it was. It might. But yeah, it might have been somebody else. I don't want to say it was. But they anyway, when he was like, we gotta let black people vote Democrats that were like. Republicans left the party and say, we will not be supporting these black people in the south voting and the party basically flipped so people that were cool with that basically came Democrats people that weren't who would that became Republicans? Right. That's the southern strategy. Every time people bring it up is well documented people are on record as talking about it. And she just went on national TV and said, it's a myth. That's she said that black republics mistreat about democratic counterparts before having our data. You think themselves and become educated about our history and the myth of things like the southern strategy, which never happened. Another part of scary about this is I remember when? Qaida west wind dug her up and gave her a bigger platform. And I, you know at the time I was like man who listens to kinda west, you know. But I can't I've sent said, you know, obviously, I was wrong on that. But this is the damage part of damaged is on him because he elevated her platform and helped her get on TV. And now she's going she's addressing congress is he's a person to be taken seriously. And of course, she got up, Dan, allied. How can you like everybody thinks truth therm, take you get up there? No one is obligated to tell the truth. People. Get a lot of them all the time. Yes. Been documented millions of times scribe history dot com. Republican party successful plan to get the white. So the population the shift of us from democratic to Republican. Number four, the KKK is only a phenomenon on the left. She made a late as incorrect. Reference to the Koukoulas plan during testimony fossil insistent and notorious hate group was a democratic organization. Once again. So there was no strategy which switched all these races people to different party, right? According to her, but at the same time, those those those klu Klux Klan members that were like democratic voters supporters at the time, they're not still democratic supporters wants the racism shifts parties now she wants them to keep that that's the whole point of saying there's no southern strategy. There's no flip is. So she can be like see so racist always been a democrat thing. Republicans auto party of Lincoln, y'all wouldn't fuck Lincoln and feels allowed today though. Fortunately for you. I'm living today. But yeah, the story is generally agree to KKK was founded by handful of confederate veterans and Pulaski, Tennessee as social fraternity quickly changed to a violent group to terrorize. Newly empowered black and white Republicans in the south. But like I said since the pirates switch and line number five. Of course, Russian collusion is a hoax, and she got to say it is to congress with her hair looking at. Hey, just ages put our her spirits flying will write lookalike Elizabeth homes and her having a split in contests. And nobody told anyone else nobody and she is winning. Apparently, she is she is Trump during the race is I don't it's so insulting that she's a thing because the bar so low, and I didn't even need to look this up. And I knew that the bar was low for her, right? But let's talk about it. She is fraudulent trashy was just following the money from news one dot com. News one staff. Let's talk about her history. She's twenty nine years old. All right. Lawsuit with the Indo Lacey pe-. She now calls the Lacey. Pe- wonder worse groups will black people even though the organization help her win racial discrimination lawsuit in two thousand seven she is she accused the white news racially harassing and threatening to kill her. I was planning the boys where the son of of the in Stanford mayor, Dan, Dan, Malloy, Connecticut, former governor because of the NWC p family received a settlement of thirty seven thousand five hundred dollars from Stanford public schools. Scott ex as Dale the Connecticut NWC P president who helped always with our lawsuit was shocked to hear cheer becoming conservative. We're very sad and disappointed her scenes to me. She's now trying to play a different type of demographic. He said it's just say it's the same type of thing that Clarence Thomas did dot of benefits affirmative action. They try to roll over on. It is that kind of Taliban disrespect. Right. Right. Yeah. But that's to me is interesting because almost like. Right. So dollars our suing Howard for discrimination against her as a white woman, and then just one day being like, but I'm black now and now on this shit. Like, how do you get to just decide you can't just flip the switch on that shit? You know, and it sounds like you're a Griffin. So she was conveniently someone when she was like racial discrimination, hindered me. And then as soon as she decides come conservative, she's like racial discrimination is made up is head. There is no such thing as eight grounds us food to benefit and get money for a hate crime, though. So you lie then you lie now come on. She had a anti-trump website in may two thousand eighteen Busby reported on canvas Owens being the CEO of anti Trump liberal leaning website called degree one eighty always role in twenty fifteen that it was good news. The Republican tea party will eventually die off peacefully and sleep. We hope degree what eighty also talked about. Trump's penis is and him being a racist. With an immigrant wife. The site reportedly shut down by the end, the twenty six hours magically came out conservative on YouTube, a few months later, the bar is so low they will accept these talking points out of a black face period. Won't do any research. They don't vet you. I don't even think they care like, even if you tell them, this is a Griffin that doesn't believe these things they're saying it for money, they will go. I don't care. I will continue to click on her stuff sprayer words because it's more important to have a token over here in the party that says they don't believe in tokenism. That says Democrats token, this there say that everybody's a she doesn't support them. They would they will lower the bar so far for black people that doesn't even exist over there. Fox news. She was fluent in TV stations. And she finally made on the Fox News in March two thousand eighteen she's fit out a line that went viral made our dollar pseudo conservatives always say the National Rifle Association was founded as a civil rights organization that protected black people from the KKK, even the Fox News host. I've never heard that before that's interesting. She never heard of before because the LA. Yep. Prolif- ACA prior. She lied or willfully ignorant Cording to Amazon web site. This may by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops. Union veterans Colonel William c charge Jorde jor. General George Wingate form the National Rifle Association eighteen seventy one of the primary goal of the sociation would be to promote and the courage rifle shooting on scientific basis. According to the magazine editorial written by church, but still that LA was xactly what certain people want to hear. Another lawsuit back in January of this year. She attack New York Representative Alexandria Cossio Cortes for being fiscally irresponsible because the newly elected congresswoman couldn't afford an apartment in Washington. DC however, reporter Nathan Bernard expose Owens by posting a lawsuit this show. She rented a thirty five hundred dollars apartment lived there for six months rent free. Then claims she got in toxic mold sickness and threatened to sue her landlord to avoid paying rent. A grip. The ace scammer lie is crate like this is the person folks are using to like bludgeoned black people with a just like her videos like liquid say Luba canes. It's like, you're just ending me. Send me JoAnne. This camera videos. My what is this? She allegedly stopped paying rent and September twenty sixteen. There was a victory in January twenty seventeen which coincides her coming out as a conservative only months later. Yeah. She liked those people that have been like our broke, again, whatever it takes literally whatever it takes ain't nothing going known. But the writ as for the mo- claims legal analyst Hct Armenian. She look I got to have a J you'll be with the G O P amoun-. The obvious question is if the place was so unlivable state or six months even rent free. Why not get out of there, especially if you cannot afford apartment for thirty five hundred dollars a month. It's not difficult to identify toxic mold infestations either. If you started to exhibit central seem related to station, why not notify Dr immediately also watch two year later after moving. Now, there are a lot of questions that arise on first glance at this case, she's going to have a huge burden of proof at trial. But she was talking about and Zander Cossio coach as being fiscally irresponsible. In spring of twenty sixteen she had launched an aunt, by the way. None of this apprising to me is like you knew it without knowing it like the first time I seen her video. I was like this part of the fraud and is obvious. But no when someone is saying what you want to hear you're not going to research, it if you're a if you're anti like research, like if you're a party of we don't do research this person saying we wanna see to me, this is the difference. Like, we're right to you said a lot of things that we want to hear why people. And we went you're still a white person in that is a fact, and that's something you need to deal with like you can't just come in and claim blackness for your own. That's not okay. You don't get to colonize our race. Right. That's the difference. Because when they see candidates they don't care that she's Rodman like Republicans raises people biggest just like the school, whatever. Type. She's saying the right thing today. All right in the spring twenty six almost launched their anti cyberbullying website, called social out topsy. She reportedly started Kim name, right? Reportedly started Kickstarter campaign to raise seventy five thousand dollars. He's sure that money CT post dotcom of described the side as a searchable database of offensive speech found on social media always wanted to expose people who would not mislead harass others online, which is known as doctor is a huge. No, no among conservatives. She claims she got pushback from the left, which was allegedly one of the sparks Lyrica to fire, however dot com reported it was right. It was the right who attacked her while almost would the victim of leftist prosecution prosecution or persecution. The the fact is that the initial backlash against social autopsy came mostly cultural liberation away coastal libertarian, which basically like Republicans smug, we opposition to the -tarian left YouTube. Video bloggers Matt Jarboe Monday, Matt and Chris Maldonado Chris Wray good both strong. Critics of social Justice warriors were among the first to blast a project as a terrible idea. Another early negative report came from none other than bright bar. It was written by alum Bokhari, a frequent co author of the not yet disgrace Milo Yannopoulos and a leading force of the Este w left in digital and cultures site wrote. This would make sense because it clearly is clearly people on the right or maga- crazies who don't want to be exposed for the hatred. The like if I'm sitting up here harassing you. Deaf threatening you because your views on line nine nine percent chance that I'm more conservative than I like that's not really like not there. I feel like Democrats such better people or anything. But I just feel like that's not the wheelhouse of what they do because you have to deal with the fallout of doing that to people. So it was like, oh, I just expose person live people, then go with the fuck is wrong with you. You know? But yeah, she basically failed. It all these internet projects that were designed to get like liberal people on board, and because there's more of a vetting more of a vetting. I don't know like process on the left is is harder to make that money. It is especially when you're just faking it you newly on the scene just wanna go viral. And unfortunately, that is what what is wrong with a lot of people. They don't the only thing they value is of us Nick lakes, and the looks and it's easier to get them with a lower bar. And I think also this last defeat of Trump because knowing the man who is a scandal. Artist scam artists a Griffin a failed businessman, a liar proven liar, knowing they rent man can be the head of a country and be elected by you know, how many millions of people I think that the same way that hate crimes increase under him for white nationalism. I feel like scam artists come out to Whitworth day. I haven't motherfucking field day because they know he's big on language. So we can screw them the fuck over and won't should be done. You know, I feel like these scam artists are saying like there's easy money to be made. Because like a lie. A lot of conservative people are making themselves professional marks for these people because hey, if you can just come out and lie to me in a way that I enjoy I will support you. You know, I think this really start people always say, they blame Trump all these lies in the media fake news. He invented that. No. He did a lot of stuff started with Obama. And I don't mean because he was here line. No. I mean, the idea that people were entertained stuff like he's a secret Muslim his birth certificate, clearly a lie. He wasn't born in the United States, his healthcare has death panels on it, those type of lies were propagated and spread and caught on with a lot of people that were supposed to be like seemingly well, meaning like reasonable people. You had like Mitt Romney entertaining. This you had like we act like people actually had to like lionize John McCain for being the person that goes, well, he's not like he's not a Muslim. You know? Like, we were like, wow. Thank god. Somebody said it. That's how bad the environment was people's willingness to embrace their bigotry and believe these negative things about this man, not being Muslim negative. But you know, what I'm saying? Like, it never mind. It is to be able to do that. That started with Obama people rejecting the idea this black leader, right? And so now, we've come to like, the the the apex of it, which is people profiting off of literally the opposite thing that they say the day before as she is not alone. Eight this is like a blueprint Derek ton of black voices that are now making money off of conservatives that completely were not with this shit just two or three years ago. Right because this money to be made Donald still gotta be paid dominant. Silk on Fox News now. Yes, sir. Got their own YouTube. They're getting paid to just go on TV and say, the save racist stuff that black voice can say that white people will go, I know, I'll get in trouble for saying that sucker, but they can send you a video of a black card saying there, and there's a lot of people willing to be that Jason Whitlock is willing to be that, you know, sheriff Clarke he's willing to be that can this is willing to be that. Kanye west was willing to be that. So it's kinda like, you know, if you're eating to see this. I feel like everyone in this chat. There's not one person that's going to say they were surprised by anything. I just read because we're all like we've seen playbook before. So sure is iota Hydrocare. She's permanent hundred all right? I also give her a hundred. I don't know. I try not to I try to save it all for the podcast. You know, when I was seeing it, but I can't lie and seeing so many clips of her share talking before congress. Like, I don't know how you can look at that. And not feel like our country is saying to like a new low even not not that. It's never been worse. I is obviously been worse if you know any history within my lifetime. Yeah. But this is like a new like public discourse load, a grip. They're like her will be brought before congress to just lie right in motherfucking. You take. You took this woman seriously enough to actually bring before congress somebody who has no background in news. Don't know what the fuck. They're talking about has no goddamn credentials and 'bout harass before congress. There was so many better qualified people for y'all to talk to right. And that's the thing. This like I hate to go back to this yesterday. But this is what I'm talking about. What that Email when you lower the bar so much to just we're just disappointed just we're just kinda like disagreeing and both sides have issues and neither side is perfect. When you just lowered a bar that far you start letting in some riffraff like this. There is no left side of this thing. What whatever this is where it's like somebody has their own facts. And then they get a national platform to say crazy shit. There is no there is no left thing like that. Because there's so many checks and balances on the left sometimes the detrimental. Left. I would even say where you know, somebody can be like a unifying figure, and we will find a way to tell them that. They're not right. But I'm just saying there's there's no counterfactual for this. There's no one has ever gotten to talk to congress and just told lives, but they were left. This is like, you know, what I mean like climate change don't each babies is no thing. And then when they go, ma'am, that's not true. I said it is so true, you know, at one point asked her about white nationalism. And she claims she hadn't said something and one of the congresspeople, literally pulled up their phone and played the clip of her saying the exact fucking opposite as shit. They're like, you said this, and you're here lying to our faces which I'm like, why did you even invite her? That's my home of the fucking point. She was not qualified. You wasted taxpayer's money to bring high up there to guide them. Why do you like I appreciate that? He came with his facts and his receives no. No shade to him. But I wish that he never had entertained her being in that damn mom because he's little like thirty second hour clips, they're cute. But she's still got to get a dance you lies for hours, and it really solidifies her brand where her people who think she's like an outsider truth teller day. The world is trying to shut down. And so they go. Yeah. They bullied you. They would listen. But you told the truth sister is another hit for your pay pal? Let me hit your cash out real quick. What what you find raising the shift for like y'all wouldn't invite Dr Omar's dumb ass up there. My don't do not invite him up there. Imagine if like during Obama's air like two Regan she was up there dressing. We'd be like what is happening anyway. All right. Let's get our last game guess race. That it's time for some guest. That's right. It's time. Now that is time for some guests. That's right guest. Always time. But if that's right. It's time for. The race the number. I gave she'll go to cross all the podcast we read the played news from all over the globe. And we asked how contentious today the chat room and Karen two guests race. And of course, everybody's playing is or style, right? We we may. We have comedy. I just want to get to loud. This all y'all. And also, I mad. Yeah. She get a hundred. Home after dropping off passengers Uber driver allegedly breaks into tries to break into a home after dropping off passengers at our airport. Oh, man, if this isn't every like frequent travelers worst nightmare. Like what kind of question the cost? What are you going? Yeah. That's how long are you gonna be gone, right? What's the parents along? Disney's why particularly a lot of women. They use these services don't mind to be excellent questions the fuck up. Give me what I need to be because particular men are driving and they start inquire. But no, no, you don't you? All you need is you need to because there is this not as my friend's house. Right. Like, why you need to know if I live here, California. Uber driver is accused of burglarizing homes shortly after dropping his occupants airport. Jackie Gordon Wilson. Thirty eight of Rancho Rancho Cordova was reportedly working as Uber driver when he bought customers to the San Francisco International airport, April fourth within our doorbells Valence video allegedly show Wilson turn into the home and Airbnb that the customers staying in. He came back to this house and try to burglarize it however alarm went off allegedly scaring Wilson away police claim he broke into a house a few blocks. Away. Instead, I guess not to be deterred. Could you imagine on top of that by then you own your plane, a wherever you going? So when you get the alert, you know, how you up in the air you, you ain't get national. You'll phone because you're right. You talking about you. Passengers we we're about to land at Charlotte, Douglas international airport. You know, you can now turn to your phone. That's why you pay extra for the internet service. Come on. He tore apart the whole house toss everything every piece of furniture mood. He opened my safe residents people. They actually got Ryan. How's they got rob? Wow. Do people that didn't have lawns and shit. Go home. You said is how was ransacked and that the rings Valence video Wilson allegedly leaving the home with bags filled with belongings over series of several hours may home. I'll, but they did have a rain Cottam doorbell footage of Wilson reportedly led to identify information. When the Uber app led them to his home around the clock investigation. Led to to the suspect's home in Rancho Cordova a suburb of Sacramento police say in the press release he was taken into custody and a search warrant was served at his residence. So I guess they ain't got the nosy neighbors. It becomes looking at everybody. House, but I was out for was going through your shit. They also I mean shit. That's I mean, he robbing at certain times a day or by probably at work too. They also reportedly recover some items taken from the second residence. We'll stay has been charged with burglary and attempted burglary is not clear Wilson has a lawyer who can speak on his behalf we remove the drivers access to the app. They always do that. Like now that he's killed three people. We took him out the apps. So don't worry. Uber customers you're safe. Right. And so that's why we're going to continue to have these conversations. Because now you got people were by a if you pick me. Okay. So now, you know instead of picking me up from my house, I'm gonna have you on the corner sheet lie dead. So I you come to my home. All right, guys and care. I guess the race of Jackie Wilson. Don't wear chat lack black. Okay. Karen's going with black. Let's check the chatrooms C which are guesses are Jackie Wilson named after the. Fail. Doo-wop groups thing and daddy black white entitled do who didn't raise the switching as he bolted. Moly cleaned them out. His other side gig was called robber, black hustle, man. Now driving for lift black. Black. Why as as you can is on his face? Black black ads folks gaming gaming black black. It's you're not flying spirit airlines. I'm robbing you black nosy nigga black. I saw this article. Okay. Well, that's cool. Crown Royal enthusiast. The correct as is black heels a black, man. Crown Royal duties. That's larry. Yes. Daddy, is some ideas they white though. You work for that lifting cracking me up to because. Yeah, he lift us and thanks for your house. Right. I worked for lift the app, and then I come back and lift your wallet come on. All right. Let's see a man was arrested. Oh, eight hundred not this one. Let's do a different one. How about? A woman was arrested after buying a Cadillac with a bag check for one hundred thousand dollars you can run a check for one hundred thousand dollars. I mean, I mean, if people accept it, are you paying are you going to bring cash I mean, what are the options with I don't I've never made a hundred thousand dollar transaction can me. I don't I don't know mitten outlet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like. That's a lot of money is going to be a Saka cash. Dollar bills. Case. I don't know what you what one hundred thousand dollars he'll have hundred thousand dollar problems or solutions, either my band. I'm speaking from there'd be like, why would you accept that? Check that big. Helen Queensberry sixty nine of Marian was picked up Monday on a warrant for grand theft over a hundred thousand dollars. Business shit. Like, okay. I can see that. Okay. That makes sense. But I guess you can do for your personal account to. Okay, I'm Simpson as you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't know. Don't get a hell in Quincy sixty nine regard. Marion oaks was big Monday of the warrant by about good. We'll favor for she was released for the Marikana jail late Monday night, ten thousand dollars bond. According to a report by column police detective, Mark crock. Oh and officer went to elevate Cadillac on October third to take a report on the sales manager stated that in early September of former customer identified as queens wisdom berry and a man came into the dealership to buy twenty eighteen Cadillac Escalade, the majett Quincy berry gave him a check for one hundred thousand seven hundred ninety one dollars sixty six he says he told them to hold onto the check until transferred funds to count court report. The manager say. Agree to the request because quiz berry had recently tried it in a vehicle for new app. Pay the difference with check. Oh, the Griff was a long time. Also, I didn't think you could do that with that much money of a check to be like, I don't get paid to Friday, right? Fucking don't cash still have to. Okay. One hundred thousand. 'cause even cash your check, and you got the hat of money put him to cut the cash your check. I don't know the woman's. Yeah. I think so to say quiz Murray and the man got into new SUV and left when the magic the Bank of few days later, he was told it was not a nerve in account to cover the check the manager say he tried calling her and the man, but could not reach them. He did reach quiz and very early October. And she told him that the man who had a company her to the dealership had the vehicle and was in Kentucky. Quiz Umberto to manage. She did not want anything to do with the Cadillac now. You don't okay? So you think maybe the main guy her like pay for the Cadillac and then left her? But baby you all scam. You didn't have that money. Proc Otane subpoena for quizzing Burs Bank records found her account had not contained any amount close to one hundred thousand dollars the tech the contact in December. And she admitted the buying the Cadillac Escalade. The report says she told him the documents list and Khobar and that she gave a sales person to check quiz Burs says she laid a change your mind about the purchase a had her brother returned a Cadillac, according to the recipes. She said the man who had gone to Diller shit with their again and left with the Cadillac. A man took it to Kentucky report said Texas. She went to Kentucky to retreat as you. But did not find it. She told her to take she had been planning to transfer funds from an investment account into the checking to make the purchase but could not do. So because she learned investment funds were not available to March take to say, she he could not find quiz and birds brother does he exist? No, it may December Cadillac stop in Kentucky by lexin police department officer, it was sees and later recover by Sullivan Cadillac, the driver of the man who will come and quiz. Berg was not arrested. So it was in Kentucky. And he was one piece of truth. Maybe he gave us some good dick and was like I'll be right back. I'm going to cigarettes going cigarettes with the Cadillac never came back. Maybe can't guess the race of Helen cuisine. Berg all this sounds white inquisitive. Okay, cares going with white. Lemme ask you guys chat. Dick would make slap somebody white white shenanigans. Elizabeth home scamming as auntie white icon, JoAnne scam Caucasian woman joined scam or black go boat. Wow. Back-back differences Candice Owens approved white escalate that's some black people trying to come up. See the way my checking and savings kind of set a black. I need to get to the piggly-wiggly. Why why make checks white Mike checks? Why name sound white situation? Sound nego? Why I guess why? Last night sounds like a Harry Potter desert. So why she partaking Hennessy and backwoods with her black Queen white. They not check it. They're not taking a check that big from a nigga white. Country. Whites netting is the correct answer is and so many guys went will white and all of you that did that got it wrong. She is she is black. Caned is right about child. Niggers y'all racist against white people. I won't policies from everyone in the chat room. And of course, a few you dig it, right? A handful. That's like some dick omega slapped on bodies types. It sixty nine years old and you doing that now like this. Why get rid of I agree. People not supposed to be getting dick matai sixty nine. I'm sorry. Come on out here. Right. And chase. You know, you can't cash. Trying to blame him he left baby. All right. Let's go to the bonus for house. Doubled up home and. That's right. Points race in the bonus round guest race, so far cairn is one and one. But how will she finished guys? Only one way to find out. All right. Tennessee man is accused of killing his mom who was driving him crazy. And he asked his co workers for help with his alibi. Tennessee man, allegedly killed the seventy six year old mother over the weekend as his cO to workers to take pictures of him at work to help form an alibi. Did you tell them that? That's some what'd you get into this weekend. It's funny story, man. Jon Rao, fifty one attempted attempting to flee the country on Saturday when US cousin the border protection agents and the US Marshall service corner him at Hartsfield Jackson international airport in Atlanta, nearly three hundred miles from Tennessee of home, you share with his mother man must have been a hell of a thing to witness and airport. I was sitting everybody getting knocked over by the police damn future developing there. He was charged. I agree murder in the death of Edith, Betty Ralph who he'd say he said repeatedly was driving him crazy. He live rapid with his mother had already made numerous statements to France, a family that his mother was driving him. Crazy said shares office Jon Rao was arrested on Saturday, April six two thousand nineteen for the murders. My Tennessee police discovered a woman's body on Saturday at their shared home in northeast, Tennessee. She died from severe head trauma and several gunshot wounds. I don't wanna shame people that live with their parents. But like mad stories of men living what they mama end up on our show. Don't end what is happening. Like, yo you obviously has issues in life, and your mom was nice enough to let you stay there. What you doing to kill a man has appreciation probably don't pay rinks around your name on juicer shit. He don't Jon Rao, Jon Rao previously. I ask orcas photograph him at work in case. Something happened to his mother. That's an odd excuse that don't sound like a criminal conspiracy. At all. I would take you know, I won't. But my flash you only can you take pictures of my hands and make sure there's no cuts on I'll I don't know evidence. I don't want to. I didn't see it post this on Facebook at nine forty five Saturday night and say just hanging out with my homie. Thank you this thing. You know, I gotta be all up in the court room and all your snapped. No. Thank you the night of MRs rows murder. John ask how we're going to take pictures of him at work saying if anything happened his mother, he wouldn't either alibi. John Ralph was arrested on Saturday for the murderer mother and Tennessee police in Carter county, Tennessee where the rouse live said that they were proud of the thirties. Quick work of catching the suspect. I mean king you really be proud or the mother that basically left the blueprint that I did this on your doorstep. I mean, is it really great detective work. If you could have just like. Wit on Twitter and found out. You definitely kill your, mama. Like, everybody likes you like we would like to some happen to your -ployees mother. And we just wanna talk to him about it. Oh, he finally killed her. Okay. It's close. Okay. Thank he was just killing just wanted. Tom take picture and everything cooking evidence that leads to suspect Don route we learned purchaser airline ticket for Amsterdam. Guess he's gonna go get high. Then Atlanta at ten twenty that evening. I don't even know we have extradition Amsterdam John Roberts being held enjoyed on a million dollars bond extradition. Tennessee is unclear if he's obtaining turning if you had the money to take your ass to answer the down. Why eating you just do that? Instead of murdering your, mama. You could move out got your own two bedroom apartment one bedroom. What is the logic? Guess the rice care? Why cares going with white? That. Oh, cliche. White people kill the name mamas. The cliche sticking it at reliable. Being mood going to Amsterdam. Let me ask the chat room. What they think is is that it two days in a pass, my mom, and it's such a bitch. Why ain't no southern black boy trying to kill his, mama. White folks. I as in one family white Norma Bates why Bates motel why? Would you stifle Edith Archie bunker, y Oedipus white Norman base? Why rocky top nerd neck, mama? Got Dominica pieces y of standing white, man. White just dumb, and why almost white flight almost. Yeah. Almost made it his mom. Probably messed up his fort night match. Why only the remix of old town road would Billy white man's rights. Activists white went out of the country. White, man. The correct answer is, and I think all you guys said white, and all you guys got it. Correct. He's white. I was wrong. I am today. Also, like, dude, you are way too old to be killing your mom, not that does like acceptable age rain rent. But like, it's different. When we read these stories, and I was like a fifteen year old kid or something like you are grown, man. What are you doing and you had to get away plans? So you can't even be like is some type of like glitch in the matrix, my mental health like no nigga, you're planning to have on a plane and escape on some JAMES BOND shit. You did that and desert to go jail forever. Which means his momma is probably a hurts seventies. Eighties. What was she even doing get on your nerves? I don't even wanna know. It's probably some simple shit light. Can you at least clean up after yourself killed? You know, she was do the most mundane simple of shit. All right last name. Let's see a PR a man businesses girlfriend and pulls out of sword. As one does driving by ex girlfriend's house. A manager a sword at the site of a woman's male friend, the eleven thirty pm about eleven thirty pm on Thursday, the police guy cow. They showed up to see a female having trouble where ex-boyfriend so domestic and just happened to be feel by having a sort. The female resit. Debbie's ex boyfriend stopped by one or two talk. Why did you have a sword? If you just wanted to talk come out, she asked him to leave, but he initially declined. Oh, okay. Get out of here. I decline I doubt this out. That makes it very very cordial. But the whole toward thing afterwards. I feel a bit foreshadowing and that a male friend came out of house and ask them ex-boyfriend to leave the French police ex-boyfriend got a small sore from his car was provoking him report stated, but the ex boyfriend left I had to call a call to the police Debbie starts to area, but could not locate days worth oh, that's scary. Well, then house that they end when did you find that they ended a man hunt? You know, who it is get them. Good gre-. All right. That's it. For today's episode. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody appreciate all. And. Yeah. We'll talk to you guys. I think I haven't even scheduled when we're doing Bazi with Justin that'll be soon. I don't think I've schedule an inert off Friday afternoon because the nerd off week. So we'll see you guys in and freeloaders we'll see you back Saturday for feedback show until then I love you.

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Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson

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Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson

"Hey Bob, holy here from gladiator OJ Simpson. NFL superstar accused killer convicted robber. And kidnapper the O J Simpson murder trial is one of the most public legal battles in American history, the horrendous crime in courtroom drama that followed it captivated, the media, and the public the trial is still debated discussed and depicted in the media to this day. But what happened to the people who this trial affected the most the new podcast confronting OJ Simpson looks to answer that question host Kim Goldman sister of murder victim. Ron Goldman digs deep into the vicious crime that changed her life in many others forever in this ten part series. Kim takes you on a journey as she reclaims reflects on the part of her life. That was changed permanently. She sits down with prosecutors investigators and witnesses who never got to speak and jurors who voted not guilty. It's a new and intimate. Look at. Crime that sticks with us to this day. Here's a preview of confronting OJ Simpson. While you're listening go subscribe to confronting OJ Simpson on apple podcast, Spotify or ever, you get your podcast. You can also find a Lincoln the episode notes. OJ Simpson was born in San Francisco until I nine nineteen forty seven I brother Ronald Lyle, Goldman was born in Chicago suburb on July second nineteen sixty eight OJ's parents separated when he was five he was raised by his mother, our parents, divorced when Ron was six, we were raised by our father. Fred as a teenager OJ got into trouble, but turned his life around through football as a teenager, Ron spent summers as a camp counselor, and played literally baseball OJ was recruited by USC one Heisman Trophy and was the number one NFL draft pick in nineteen sixty nine he went on to have a hall of fame career. Ron attended college for a semester in Illinois before we all moved to Los Angeles after retirement. OJ worked as a sports commentator, and actor and spokesperson Ron worked as a recruiter a tennis coach and a waiter, ROY. Plan to open his own restaurant and bar on June twelfth nineteen ninety four O J attended his daughter's dance recital with his ex wife, Nicole and her family. They went to dinner at Mezzaluna restaurant to celebrate OJ wasn't invited. On June twelfth nineteen Ninety-four Ron was working as a waiter, a Meslin restaurant, his shift ended, and he headed to Nicole's house to return a pair of sunglasses that night, the two men cross paths at the home of Nicole Brown Simpson, what happened next altered families changed lives and reset American culture. Forever. This is confronting OJ Simpson. I'm your host Kim. Galvin. This podcast is about confronting the last twenty five years of my life, about my brother's murder, and the trial, and everything that came with that. And I know that it's going to be painful for me. So I want to make sure that I've got someone walking this journey with me that I can trust. And I can rely on and Nancy glass, was the perfect choice because she was journalist at the time of my brother's murder trial. And I figured she would just she would get it. I think a lot of people don't know that you and your brother were unusually close, and you also both were unusually close with your dad. My birth mom left, when my brother and I were three and a half and six she, I guess, didn't want to be a mom, and my dad didn't want to not be dead. And it was just my dad, Ron. And I growing up, we were the three musketeers. We just stuck together like glue. My brother was my best friend. He was my protector, when we had a horrible car extent. My brother was the one that pulled me from the car. That's. Out with me until the ambulance came sat with me in the hospital and you almost died and you went blind for a while. Yeah. And there was, my brother hold, my hand and cracking jokes and still trying to keep me a beat and positive we were just two peas in a pod. My dad's pretty amazing and he created an amazing relationship between my brother and I, I knew mother abandoned. Knew she was pretty absent for majority of our upbringing. I probably went after having wanting to have a relationship with her more than my brother. Did he wanted to keep her in his mind at a certain age, because that was the most positive memory that he had of her on the one that kept going back she showed up periodically to tell me I was worthless, basically. And then she showed up, my brother died. Did she offer you any comfort? No, she called me a bitch while we were in court. Yeah, there's no comfort there. You know, this is the one of those things that I feel the bitter sweet about my brother's case being so public was that people get to know these two amazing guys that raised me. And my dad is. Exactly how people have seen him, and how people have not him and grew to know him over the last twenty five years full of passion, and dedication, and love, and this level of fierceness and commitment to his family. That's there's no, there's no lie there, and that Bush that daddy mush pure lovers family, we're going to get to know him a little bit in the one person. We aren't going to get to talk to his run. Topsy report nine four dash zero five one three five. An autopsy on the body of Goldman. Ronald external examination the body is that of a well developed well nourished Caucasian? Male stated to be twenty five years old. The body weighs one hundred seventy one pounds measuring sixty nine inches from crown to Seoul, the heroin. The scout is Brown and straight. The irises appear Hazel with the people's fixed, and dilated. Have you ever watched the news heard about some violent crime, and then suddenly realized that they're talking about your family? I have. Ron, and Nicole were killed on June twelfth and the news broke on June thirteenth. You were in your car, most of the day, driving for work. I heard a lot on the news all day long about the coal Brown murdered with another person. I walked in the house. Still gets me. A walked in the house and Patty yelled out, Fred, Fred. There's someone on the phone something about Ron. And picked up the phone. And they said, this is the LA coroner's office. And I said, why would you be calling me? And she said. Did you hear on the news today about the coal Brown being murder? I so what does that have to do with me? And she said. Sought. Your son was the other victim. I went crazy. I want crazy. And I said, what are you talking about? How do you know? I walked over to the Petiot door and I looked out into the backyard. And I just found myself staring and screaming at the same time. That I realized that the next thing to do is contact you. That was the second than most gut wrenching moment of my life. I didn't want you to find out any other way, that was just a preview of confronting OJ Simpson to hear the rest of the episode. And to follow me on this journey. Please subscribe to confronting OJ Simpson on apple podcasts Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Podcast Extras: OJ & Orange Face

The Semi-Social Life of a Black Introvert Podcast

12:12 min | 4 months ago

Podcast Extras: OJ & Orange Face

"In some fun house by having fun. So here's what we're GONNA do. He hears I normally don't do this a normally don't but I got gotten so many. Dm's from people that were salted by thing. I said but something I said there were angry. The took my black card again. Another one black cars apparently have had more than twelve. Because I've had like twelve of them taken in the past two and a half months I got another one back. Apparently in was taken again all right. They were offended by what I said on the episode. Things are probably shouldn't save on the SAM. Anyway they were fended that talked about OJ Simpson. And then I said that. Oj Simpson OJ. Ortho James Simpson killed his wife. They were offended by that they were funded that also compared OJ Simpson to Donald Trump. Because I said that both OJ. Donald Trump they treat women terribly the air again they're pompous in judging by Donald Trump's lack of lack of movement lack of anything when it came this sort of corona visas pandemic lack of action the both killers both OJ. Donald Trump. Yes they're both killers and people hit me up man don't compare OJ Simpson to Donald Trump. A prow black man to donald trump. Listen you may want to. If you're that person go ahead and turn down the rest episode. Because I'm not here offend anybody. I don't think maybe I am a could be. I don't know I've searched my soul but OJ Simpson Killed Nicole Brown Simpson. He Killed Ron Goldman and so people hit me up like well. You know you're black cars being taking. You're not invited to the black picnic first off like I always say. There's not a black picnic black folks. We don't Organiz mass gatherings really. Well let alone all black picnic. Second off I don't do picnics. I don't like to eat outside. I don't like bugs the elements. I don't like Styrofoam plates. I don't like paper plates Styrofoam Cups. I don't like any of that. I don't like sitting on the picnic table. Sit in the grass. Have I'm allergic to ragweed? Hey or that and I don't like half cooked food or half heated up food. I don't I don't want my food on a Bunsen burner. WanNa come off stove or oven but anyway let's say there were a picnic an OJ Simpson. Was that the all black picnic which he would not be mind. You let you know that right now too. He would not be. It's picnic. I call it all black picnic day. Simpson will call all something else picnic and not no mother that word he will be at your picnic nonetheless. He was looking for help for cleanup for janitors to to serve his picnic. Okay let's save. Oj was at your mythical black picnic. I'LL TAKE A. He's butcher bringing all the meat right. That's that's his natural so the position at the picnic right. He's bringing all the ribs neck bone. That's my pleasure. He's bringing all that right. I mean that seems. That seems so natural so are probably wouldn't want to be your picnic anyway is surprised me that people are like. Oh My Gosh. Oh say you're saying. Oj Did he was framed yet. He was framed by himself. He put himself in a whole frame. The picture was Oj in the frame to hold time. What about the Glove Aaron? Listen I ACKNOWLEDGE. Acknowledged an episode. I believe that. Lapd also botched case it should have been a open and shut case within about two weeks except they mishandled it and they were racist big on that police force but also there was a murderer. There was a murderer to on trial. They got that not guilty verdict that murder was OJ Simpson. It's people s way. We'RE NOT TALK ABOUT O. J. Simpson I get the same reaction that I do when not talk about Bill Cosby I remember. Let me go back. I remember I remember when Asep Rocky was jailed overseas. All these people came out like free. Ace APP free except rocky. He shouldn't be in there now. Granted he should have been in jail. I don't think you should have been. But yet all these people come about the woodwork. Freedom March freedom. I'm like I wish I would take whole Ho the same importance that you do with ace rocky as you do. A asset voting. We'll talk about ace rocky free. We'll talk about voting for free to let me get off that because I'm I'm GonNa offend people with that. Every time I talk about bill cosby people. Say the same thing all your hair. Another black man down that shoe Erin. GimMe a black card trying to the black man down. I don't support Bill Cosby because he raped women. I'm sorry had a great TV show. I still love a different world but he also well how would I say he raped women? Now people are like well you know. That was the sign of the Times. Everybody did it. Yeah okay no doesn't doesn't that's no excuse. Everybody was not doing it now. Everybody was putting quite lose women strengths. And in giving the women there Qasim to essentially numb their bodies or pass out and then raping them not. Everybody was having the young female on the casting On on the casting bus or whatever I heard the story he will take all the young women the he liked to his private dressing room to sex with because he's a manpower and he wanted the power and he could because he's Mr Cosby with the sweaters. Important that have a daughter. How HAVE NIECES ABBA mother Atta wife have aunts have friends? How can I support the TUB behavior? People tell me all the time. I don't talk about bill cosby denies. He's done for our community. Yes rape women. Oh I'm sorry that I was GonNa talk about him being a TV. Pioneer okay. Yeah we'll talk about that but you also raped. Our women raped. Black Women raped white women. He raped women. He's a good too though. He's a good though he did everything. He has scholarships. And that's like saying Hitler is a good do because he was a great marketer the Olympics. Look it up so let me ask you this all those cosby people those. Oj people if Oj. Was dating your daughter. Are you trying to tell me you're to have any type of question marks Maybe this would be a good choice. Are you going to tell you and I have those feelings? Because I'm telling you would or you know what? Let me go ahead with cosby. Let me go let me touch on cosby wartime to it. Bill Cosby opened up an acting school for Young Girls Bill. Cosby's acting school for young girls. Free drinks are you sending your daughter. Their free drinks shrinks included. No that's like supporting an R Kelly Children's choir more spot open up in his choir will get you in. Yeah you won't be doing that or and if you do you shouldn't. So why are we trying to overlook what these dudes have done? They've done some great things but it's hard sweep rape murder under the rug and we sweep for men and women but generally men that we want to protect because in their is they're perfect in our is they're perfect. Perhaps in their own is are perfect and we sweep things under the rug that we should in fact clean up we gotta be real with ourselves. Yes killed two people. It wasn't a drug dealer Hitman. It was the running back that can be true. Yes R Kelly. Molested those girls. Yes he did yes. Bill Cosby raped those women. I don't care if you're in a dag on desert you're trying to get out the desert you see bill cosby's car coming. Mr Cosby less you in his car. And if he offered you a drink you could be thirsty. Dehydrated parched all three. I guarantee you you tell that man your take me to the gas station about my own. No thank you I wait. We gotta be real with ourselves like it's okay for us to be real because that's when the healing starts we start glossing over these atrocities. That's when our pain never hills because you can't hear what you won't reveal by what I said about Oj. Now if you're offended by what I said about Bill COSBY YOU'LL BE I. You heal from it. I just want us all to be real awesome. I just want US Auto Hill. It's let alone. Sings known rushed but otherwise did ladies and gentlemen the journeys over.

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25 Years On, The Lasting Cultural Impact Of The O.J. Simpson Trial

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

49:09 min | 1 year ago

25 Years On, The Lasting Cultural Impact Of The O.J. Simpson Trial

"This message comes from on points sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed, you can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions, then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. From NPR WB. You are Boston. I'm Meghna Tucker bardy. And this is on point June twelfth nineteen ninety four twenty five years ago today, Brentwood Los Angeles a grisly double-murder discovered there. The following morning body of thirty four year old Nicole Brown. Simpson was found after are attempting to clear the freeway, although you can see a car, right? They're going up right next to the Bronco or J Simpson is in this vehicle. One report says he has a gun pointed to his head says he will not be taken alive. Trail of blood is devastating proof of his guilt, if it doesn't fit, you must team Simpson. Not guilty of the time of motor in violence. Seven cheers. From the audience of Oprah Winfrey's daytime television show, watching the acquittal of OJ Simpson in real time. And they weren't the only ones in nation was transfixed. What that moment sparked over the next year and three months is seared into our nation's cultural memory. Now a quarter century later. The case still resonates, the Simpson trial was the perfect distillation of America at the time the power of celebrity the spectacle, and manipulation of media, the deep inequities of race and the corruption in law enforcement, and the question of what is Justice in America? But how much if anything about all of that has changed in the America of two thousand nineteen so this hour on point, the lasting cultural impact of the OJ Simpson trial? And you can join us what do you remember about the brutal double murder about the Bronco chase about the trial of OJ Simpson? What did it change? And what did we learn from it? Join us any. Time on point radio dot org, or on Twitter and Facebook at on point radio. We'll joining us I today from Los Angeles is Steve Futterman, a west coast correspondent for CBS news and CBS radio. He covered every aspect of OJ Simpson's criminal trial, his later civil trial, and then the two thousand seven two thousand eight Las Vegas robbery trial. Steve Futterman, welcome to on point. Great to be with you. I guess I have a PHD in J Simpson. You do. And that's why we have you here this hour, Steve. So first of all, tell us I mean take us back to your first memory of, of the trial, is when did you hear about the double murder? Why heard about the double murder being in Los Angeles. I heard about it. The next morning took place on Sunday night, June twelfth, but we didn't hear reports of the bodies being found until very early on the thirteenth. Now, I was someone being in the news business who was aware of the allegations of domestic violence against OJ Simpson. Nicole brown. Simpson had complained about him before there had been some police intervention, but never an arrest or anything, but there had been whispers in the southern California area so initially when I heard about this, my mind did think of initially OJ Simpson. But when his lawyer started speaking to us Howard Weitzman, who I knew from covering the DeLorean case, he said, well, OJ Simpson's in Chicago. That was technically correct. But with Howard Weitzman didn't tell us was the night before when the murders took place, OJ Simpson was in Los Angeles. Once those two things came together, I felt immediately that this is a man who is a potential suspect. Obviously, you can't say that he is a main suspect, but he did have a history of domestic violence involving the woman who had just been killed his ex-wife. So my mind did unlike most people immediately focus on OJ Simpson. Now, of course, much later on the nation witnessed the. Trial of OJ Simpson. And so, and even prior to that the Bronco chase on the freeways of Los Angeles, which will talk about in a second, but in the immediate aftermath of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson. And Robert Ron Goldman. I mean how quickly was that? What people were talking about and focused on in Los Angeles. I mean how much did that resonate? Okay. So instantly, I mean by the late that afternoon, the police held a news conference and they were being asked questions. Very vigorously is OJ Simpson assess Specht and the police were diverting. They were not answering that question, which, of course, makes a news reporter, ask it even more more directly. We knew immediately that the police were interested in him, O J Simpson did fly back immediately from Chicago. He was questioned by police, but there was a drip, drip, drip in the next forty eight hours, even twenty four hours that seem to point the possibility towards. OJ simpson. And this building to a crescendo the crescendo was Friday night, when the, the slow speed Bronco chase took place by Friday morning. I it appeared that the police were beginning to focus almost entirely on OJ Simpson on Friday. They did try to arrange for surrendering. And that's when the Bronco chase took place. He eventually surrendered early that evening. And of course, that is one of the moments that if you were alive twenty-five years ago, you remember so, well, all three networks, all the cable news networks were broadcasting that slow speed chase on live television. I mean that so many people saw that, that it is one of it's an iconic image in our mind. He said, if you were alive, all you need to hear the words. Here are the words white Bronco and it's in your mind twenty-five years later, or the term slow speed chase. What, what's what's a slow speed chase? That's the OJ Simpson case. Right. Well, so here is some sound from that moment, and you're going to hear OJ Simpson, interacting or speaking on the phone with homicide, LA homicide detective Tom Lang. So this is OJ Simpson on the highways of Los Angeles. Slow speed chase white Ford Bronco. Let me get to my house. Okay. We're gonna do that sweaty. I'll give you what. You could be my whole body, a Kate need to get them. Colder, we're going to do that. Just throw the gun out the window. We're not gonna buy gonna let you go up there. Just throw it out the window, please you scare and everybody OJ you there. Wow, we'll Steve Futterman. Let me ask you something. We're looking at this now twenty five years later, and we're going to talk about the role of the media played in, in this in the story in this moment for America. Later on during the trial. Lots of people said that or some critic said that it was OJ zone defense team Simpson's on defense team that brought race into the picture. But is that true? Or was race in the picture if not explicitly from the start it all it all depends, where you're coming from. I do think immediately. There were people from the minority communities who were saying this man needs to be treated fairly a, so there was initially a racial aspect of concern of fair treatment. Now when the case really got involving race is when the name of Mark Furman I got involved. Mark Furman was one of the detectives in Los Angeles, who conducted the initial investigation he is the man who found the bloody glove at OJ Simpson's residence and later on. We learned that Mark Furman had been involved in. Some activities and writing the screenplay where he used the N word number of times. And again, you have to remember what Johnny Cochran and the so-called dream team wanted to do their goal. I this doesn't sound necessarily complementary, but their goal is to defend their client, their goal is not a search for the truth. That's the prosecution's job. The defense team's job for the most part in there are some ethical issues involved here, but for the most part, a defense team is trying to do the best for their clients. They wanted to fi get get a jury define their clients not guilty. Yes, they did make the race issue a central part of the case. Raising the suspicions of the public, the jury it leaked, you know, it got involved in the news media. All the coverage had some aspects if not directly at least a hint of race during much of the trial book, actually because. But this is why this matters. Right. And why even twenty five years later, the, this moment is very important for America because it wasn't hard for Simpson's defense team to do this, because we're talking about the hell LA the LAPD. Right. And then he was just a couple of years ago before that. King Rodney King. And so this, I mean Los Angeles daily PD, the stage was set for this rending open of, of the of the problems with law law enforcement race in America that, don't you think absolutely one, morphed into the other you hear people who I wanna say, defend OJ Simpson, but they raised the issue of his eventual, Las Vegas trowel, which had nothing to do with the murders. It was armed robbery and kidnapping he was trying to recover memorabilia, which he claimed he owned, which he actually didn't. But he was very upset. He wanted it back. Many people said, well that that's payback that that trial was payback for the not guilty in Los Angeles. While it might have been. There was still strong evidence against him. But let's look back at the original trial in Los Angeles, the criminal trial. Many people said, well, that was payback because those officers who all of us all brutally beat Rodney King. I mean you were left stunned. Really, you can do that and be. Found not guilty. There are many people who felt the Simpson verdict was payback for the Rodney King verdict. Well, Stephen ask you. Put this through your own personal lens of your experience covering the arrest the trial. I mean, how did it change your view of, of your city or even of the country, did it? Well, I saw I guess I had more of a rose colored view of race in America. This brought out some of the divides, which unfortunately, exist, then still exist today, you know, in a perfect world in the ideal world. We are of different races, but we get together so well. And the divides are not that great. This one did expose some of the raw differences is far as experience as far as views of law enforcement between whites and blacks, and it wasn't a shock to me, but it was a bit more raw than I expected. And I obviously felt that there were some big problems in finding the officers not guilty in seamy valley. But I felt you separate. Cases. Many people felt there was a link to these two cases. And that's I think that's a prize me a bit. Well, we are talking about twenty five years after the night, that Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman were murdered which led to the trial of OJ Simpson. And what America learned from that moment, Steve Futterman, joins us today's west coast correspondent for CBS news. And let's listen to ABC's Ken kashiwahara with a recap of June seventeenth nineteen Ninety-four the day of that Ford, Bronco chase, when it became clear that Simpson was a suspect in the murder of his ex-wife after delaying their news conference. Los Angeles police officials finally appeared this afternoon with the announcement that shocked everyone the murder charges allege that Simpson stabbed Nicole Simpson. And Ronald Goldman with a knife on Sunday night, outside, MRs Simpson's house in the Brentwood section of Los Angeles. The charges carry with them allegations of special circumstances. Meaning that Simpson could face the death penalty if convicted well when we come back, we will talk about. The trial of OJ Simpson. This is on point. This podcast and following message sponsored by xfinity. Some things are hard to control like over caffeinated co workers other things are easy to control. Like you're in home wifi with xfinity, X fi, set WI fi curfew change your password, and create user profiles all with the x fi app. Another reason why xfinity is simple easy. Awesome go online. Call one eight hundred xfinity or visit a store to learn more restrictions apply. A language was about to die. Once it gets wiped out. That's it. We will have nothing in our language to pass our children and the people trying to save it, we're still learning how to speak it to hurry up time was working against, as we were like hundred years Lee, to, you know, it's code switch. Ula co lo a listen. And subscribe, this is on point. I Magnin Tucker bardy it was twenty five years ago today or this evening that Nicole Brown. Simpson and Ron Goldman were found brutally murdered in Los Angeles thereafter, followed the trial of OJ Simpson. So this hour on point, we're talking about how that trial changed America and how it resonates today, a quarter century later on our phone lines are are already lighting up. So the issue of the Simpson, case has not waned at all in America, but let's listen to some moments from the opening statements of Simpson's nineteen ninety-five murder trial where prosecutor Marcia Clark outlined evidence that the LA county district attorney's office, thought would seal Simpson's fate, the mere fact that we find flood, where there should be no blood in the defendant's car. House in the in the driveway and even on the socks in his very bedroom at the foot of his bed that trail of blood. From bundy. Through his own Ford Bronco an into his house in Rockingham is devastating proof of his guilt. Marcia clark. Then the attorney in Los Angeles County DA's office will. Here's Johnny Cochran on the defense team for OJ Simpson. In his opening statement Cicero said that he who violates his oath profanes the divinity of faith itself. And of course, we know that you will live up to your promises and be fair and keep an open mind and decide this case not on speculation. Not on conjecture not on your mind. But based upon the facts you, then as jurors are the conscience of this community your verdicts, set the standards what we should have in which it happened in this community. You have this rare opportunity. It seems to me be participants in this search for Justice and for truth, now the late Johnny Cochran in nineteen ninety five. Let's go to the phones gino's calling from Tampa, Florida. Gino, you're on the air. What do you remember from the OJ trial? Hi. I remember people being separate at my job on the white on one side. And all the blacks is on the other. And you know let's be let's be true for about it. It's not happening. It has to do with how America treats black from the time we step foot here to the day, when it comes to the court when you have twelve white men, judge a black man. That's not fair. That's never been fear. They've killed us and they continue to kill a sand sale phones look like guns. And, and that's the way they had to do with the LA police, or Mark Furman, or what is is true. It's not that we didn't believe that he didn't kill her. It's just that we wanted white people to see what they've been doing to us for years in the courtroom, killing us, and, and then coming in going to the corner and been set free, if they are caught they're seventy five eighty years old. The guy who kids up in, in Birmingham. And it contains the day. That'd be true for about it and stop saying that it's not about race. It's always about race when you go to court, and you judge a black man with twelve white men. Well, Gino, thank you so much for your call. So let's talk. More about how many people saw the OJ trial, not so much as a trial of Simpson. But a trial of the criminal Justice system itself, Kimberly Williams, Crenshaw joins us now. She's professor of law at Columbia law school, and the university of California, Los Angeles. She's author of the essay, colorblind dreams, and racial nightmares reconfiguring racism in the post civil rights era that appeared in the nineteen Ninety-seven book birth of nationhood, gays, script and spectacle, in the OJ, Simpson, case, professor Crenshaw, welcome to on point. Thanks for having me. So what was the meaning of the Simpson trial to you? Well, there are so many meanings, I think one meaning is that we were able to see that the divide about race in American society was one that was a first of all made more apparent win white people became very aware and disappointed about the outcome of the trial. The I think the, the diff- difference is reflected in what we just heard Steve earlier had said that race became apparent mostly when Firmin came forward were well for many people race was in the mix from the very beginning. It didn't take the evidence of Firmin's racism to make a lot of people be aware of the racial framing of, of the case. Even I mean, I don't know if people remember that time magazine cover that showed a darkened picture of OJ Simpson that. That came long before the trial started that made a real splash, so to speak in the racial discourse and people saying racism, going to play a role because we don't think of OJ as black now lot of people think that's a colorblind statement. But that is that is a racial statement, a it makes it clear that there is something called being thought of as black and number two OJ is going to be exempt from that. So we don't have to worry about race playing a role. It was all of these moments like this from the very beginning that made it clear that this was going to be a racial spectacle. Well, I mean and to the point you're just making the this is this trial was never about one thing. It was about everything at once and even, you know, OJ Simpson's own perception of himself as a black man in America came under interrogation that we were, we were all thinking. For example, here we have some tape this rubber lips site. Former sports writer for the New York Times. He recounted a story that highlighted Simpson's complex relationship with the black community and this was in ESPN documentary. Terrific one OJ made in America and lip site. Describes a story that Simpson told him about being at a teammates, wedding, and sitting at a table with several other African Americans and you overheard for white woman, the next day, it will say, look, here's Jay sitting with all those. And I remember in my ninety day saying to outage. Terrible for you know, screen, don't you understand? She knew I wasn't BRAC she saw me as OJ and really at that moment. I thought he was. Kimberly Crenshaw AKU can be Williams, Crenshaw respond to that. What does that make you think? Well, you know, let let's be clear about a couple of things. The fact that OJ may not have seen himself as black like other people didn't mean that effectively his status as the person next door that we're going to treat like a white person wasn't contingent. The reality is that OJ's crossover status was always contingent. It was contingent upon him. You know, not being a criminal defendant. It was contingent upon him. You know, not being accused of murdering someone so within the black community, there was clearly an awareness that OJ was a certain kind of black person. He wasn't a person might other athletes like Jim Brown who is deeply involved in civil rights. He wasn't the guy who was going to, you know, put up a black fist salute. Everybody was clear. Aware of that. But whether race would play a role in his prosecution didn't have much to do with how OJ thought about himself, or how white America thought about him prior to the allegation. So Steve Futterman of west coast. Correspondent for CBS news. Let me let me turn back to you, because this is making me think about and check me on this, because, you know, there was a terrific X series, the people vs OJ Simpson. And there's a scene in that series where during the trial. Jurors are brought to Simpson's house. Right. But beforehand, the defense team actually emptied out, most of belongings and replace them remodeling taking place there. Yes. With with artifacts that they believe would be more. Remedy would be more. I'm saying this in big air quotes appropriate for I in a African American household. Did that really happen? They actually did. I think they changed some of the paintings, they decided what paintings would. Look, better for the jurors this is when you have a defense team that is so trying to take care of every little cross every t dot every I you think about things like this, the image is so important did it change the jury's verdict in the trial. Probably not. But it did have a bit of an impact. It's very interesting. One of the jurors who went on that it was a weekend day, and was sort of a little craziness media circus, says everything involving OJ Simpson was, but one of the jurors who was on the jury at that time, wore a San Francisco forty Niners jacket that day during the tour of the house, he will he eventually was removed from the jury there were nothing escaped the defenses of you, they examined everything that was a brilliant job by the defense. And again, the defense's job. Was to find a way to get their client found not guilty. We sometimes say OJ was found innocent. He wasn't found innocent. He was found not guilty. The prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. So you can have people who feel OJ Simpson's guilty, but the verdict was also correct. We'll take another call here. Let's go to Tom who's calling from Manchester Connecticut. Tom, you're on the air. I'm African American background. I've never seen the case when the chase some was doing up and the basketball playoffs. But thing I wanted to point out dealing with the evidence was wide detective Vannatter have that blood in it is shorts eighteen eighteen hours and also in a witness saying were four men and UCLA sweatsuits, not in a murder and said some town. Hey, hey, hey, I think he may have been a German emigrant no show of he's the cease. But it seemed like his testimony went nowhere. And I think the time of the police department there was this rampart row. Please. I don't know from from that or not. Know did someone speak, -able X? So I would say it was some, some tension on their own police chief Pham gray at the time and I don't know. I guess it was on the second trial. They went, unfortunately, you know, I guess when against him civil case, brought in, but I guess, when the whites jeered at that five that was okay. But when blacks cheered at the end of the first trial that wasn't okay. Quick question here. Do you remember every trial? You've seen on TV with such detail. No, I guess it became like you said, say media circus was, you know, their case to build up against in with other prosecution. Lawyer miss Darden getting philosopher, Johnny Cochran. I guess it was it was about racial. Yeah, you're right and want to send any, but then you wonder about, you know, white lives worth more than a black life, especially when against them is a court case. So, yeah, I think it is very nuance. And I think when he talked to the technical terms about the blood and contaminated scene, you had to -ssume that it was, you know, his blood drops, but I don't know that was questionable. So I felt like it was came a media circus, when America never let African Americans forget about it. But yes. Interesting point, and I want to turn back to Kimberly Williams Crenshaw about that Tom. Thank you so much for your call. And professor Crenshaw ask Tom that question because that's incredible detail that he's remembering from the trial here. And what does that say to you about how a quarter century later, Tom, I don't know where he was at the time. But he's in Connecticut, now he's three thousand miles away, twenty five years later in that moment, still matter to him so much that he remembers even questions about blood, you know, drops of blood that were entered into evidence. Absolutely. Well, you know, I it was the longest trial that was ever televised. So it's not surprising people remember so many details, but I think it's also important that, that kind of detail is remembered in part, because I think it's a reaction to the claim that this was a jury verdict of just pure payback. It was a verdict that was just meant pretty much as revenge is, though, the jury did not take into account any of the evidence as though. The case that was constantly framed as there's a mountain of evidence was evidence that was completely without a fault. The reality is that a lot of people actually had some serious issues with the way the LA police department collected the evidence the way that it was presented berry shack, and Peter newfield, who were experts at pulling apart and showing the irregularities in how evidence was collected. All of that was sufficient for a jury to find reasonable doubt without the conversation about these jurors who were unqualified and just we're in love with OJ. And let me also remind people the jury was not an all black jury is much as people talk about this. They don't talk about the fact that it was a multi-racial jury. It was across gender jury. It's, it's almost as those the assumption is Pat Williams said, is that, that the other jurors were mugged or something this, this was a jury? Twelve people who came to a decision that the LA PD, did not do persuasive enough jobs, so that the prosecution could actually present a case leading to conviction, and that has been often, you know, appointed contention which is why think so many people actually go to the facts of the case. Right. We'll solit- listen to a moment from the trial, because the name Mark Furman has been mentioned several times in this conversation. LAPD detective Mark for a minute here, you're going to hear defense attorney, Gerald omen questioning firm in about his alleged mishandling of evidence detective Furman was the testimony that you gave it the preliminary hearing, in this case, completely truthful. I wished to assert my fifth amendment privilege. Have you ever falsified? A police report. I wished to cert- my fifth amendment privilege. Is it your intention to search your fifth amendment privilege with respect to all questions that I ask you? All sorts of problems with detective for a minute, including, of course, his admiration for the Third Reich. But, but Kimberly Williams, Crenshaw, lemme ask you ISD Futterman. This earlier definite really want hear from you on this. How much does it matter or how central is, what was the, the, the tenor of the city of Los Angeles in nineteen Ninety-four to this story and, and race relations and relationships between communities of color, and the LAPD? That's central tall. This isn't it. Yeah. Well, that, that's one of the reasons why I have issues with the idea that race was introduced with Firman. Ray set the set the stage it was racial drama from the very beginning. So yes, there had been the Rodney King beating remember it was videotaped people around the world. Saw this beating and for many people, it was a moment. Where they thought will finally we have true. Testimony, people can see it with their own. Is that this happens, and we'll get a conviction that didn't happen. So many in many ways that was just a one, you know, sort of evidentiary point. But there is also a fifteen year old black girl named Matata Harlan's, who was killed by a Korean shop owner. And she was affectively you know, put on probation that was also caught on tape. And then as was mentioned earlier, there was a rampart division story that led to the acquittal. Well, many people being let go who had been convicted based on precisely the kind of actions that the defense was accusing or suggesting that Mark Furman had done. Well, professor Kimberly Williams, Crenshaw, and Steve Futterman, standby here. Lots more to talk about on the twenty fifth anniversary of the double murder of Nicole Brown. Simpson and. Ron Goldman that led to the trial of OJ Simpson. This is on point. Hey, it's been an Ameri, and we're the hosts of endless threat the show featuring stories found on the website, read it but you don't have to be a Reddit or to enjoy the kinds of stories. We tell like a couple experimenting with non monogamy or board game that may have predicted the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Subscribe to endless threat on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. I'm Gregory Warner and this week on rough translation. We follow a rescue mission in real time after an Iraqi photo journalist goes missing on the front lines. We don't believe it. I don't believe it leaves his family and his friends to try to save him. When you said, who is this? Who are you? They respond. We are the Slavic state this week on rough translation. This is on point. Meghna shocker bardy. We're talking about the trial of OJ Simpson twenty-five years, after the double murder of Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman that happened twenty five years ago tonight in, let's listen to one of the more famous moments from the nineteen ninety-five Simpson trial. Here's defense attorney, Johnny Cochran put this knit cap on who Emma. I'm still Johnny Cochran with Nick cap in. Have you look at OJ Simpson over there, and he has a rather large hit, OJ Simpson in a knit cap from two blocks away is still OJ Simpson. It's notice guys. It's no disguise. It makes no sense. It doesn't fit, if it doesn't fit. You must acquit the late Johnny Cochran. He also used that line regarding a gloves. Let's go to Paul who's calling from west bend, Wisconsin? Paul you're on the air. Do you remember this moment? Is line if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. Hi. Yes, I do. And I was I remember this this episode cock, Mr. Cochran clearly, at advance degree in, in trial court TI tricks. But they handed him a surgical, latex gloves, very tight. Vaguely remember him putting it on didn't they handed him the leather glove. And you would have needed a team of horses to pull that let a glove over that latex surface because of the coefficient of friction and the prosecution never raised the question you take on take that tight latex gloves off, and that glove would have slipped on very easily with the, the texture and the service of human skin. We'll you. I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but I want to get Steve Futterman to respond to that, because he's the west coast. Correspondent for CBS news who was there. You were there in the courtroom, so, yes. So pick up on one Paul saying, well, I'll tell you very funny moment, a bit of an embarrassing moment. But it's okay I was actually in the press room when the glove experiment took place and a bunch of my colleagues are saying, oh, this is a mistake and I said to them, the prosecution those exactly what they're doing overtime rule hung on that one. Listen that glove being fair about it. OJ Simpson was not going to allow that love to fit him. No matter what the circumstances were that was a big mistake, by the prosecution then guess what mistakes by the prosecution? And there were a number of them, not necessarily visual ones like this, but strategic mistakes, by the prosecution led to Johnny Cochran being able to convince the jury that there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the prosecution open many doors that Johnny Cochran took advantage of, and we can't forget that. So that, that love is obviously one of the iconic moments. And by the way, how many other cases can the general public quote a line from, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit it's the OJ Simpson Trump professor Crenshaw, let me ask you, a in, in our callers voice might be misinterpreting it, but I heard a little bit of, of derision when he said, you know, the Johnny Cochran was a master manipulator, but that isn't part part of a defense attorneys job. Was this. I, I mean, was it was the fact that this trial was televised on every television set across the nation and even around the world, we have to talk about the role that the media played in all of this, and quite frankly, I see Johnny Cochran as being a brilliant attorney in recognizing that the trial was not just going on inside the courtroom, but outside as well. Well, and, and I, I knew Johnny. Cochran. Personally, he was a masterful attorney and much of the criticism that we're hearing. I think comes from a failure to understand what attorneys actually do. And I think a failure to understand both sides. We're playing particular narrative, so we talked a little earlier about how the defense attorney sort of decorated, OJ Simpson's home when the jury visited, but we also need to realize is the very reason. The prosecution got in trouble with Mark Furman. Is that they were doing their own decorating? Mark Firmin's background was not unknown. What was unknown is that they had proof of it. What was unknown was that there was a tape, but this was a guy who basically tried to get disability based on his racism? He confessed it s part of his effort to say policing in Los Angeles had turned him basically, into someone who is incapable of following his his duty. So why would the prosecution have made taken a risk to read? I so much of the case on him. It was their way of playing the odds, it was their way of trying to present somebody as a completely valid, you know, sort of witness, without any questions around them. So they just played the game and they lost the gamble, both sides were doing it. They were trying to tell a story that affirmed their theory of the case, and the prosecution story just didn't hold water. Well, let's go now to Barbara who's calling from Macon, Georgia. Barbara you're on the air. Hi, everybody. I just wanted to say, I'm a African American woman, I always thought O J was guilty from the beginning. And I was not surprised when he was acquitted or found not guilty because it was proved to me that if you have the right amount of money to hire the right amount of legal help, you can do anything you want an America and get away. And that's just my comment. He just happened to be black, which really shopped probably white people more than than black people. If you have the money and you can just like Donald Trump, that you can just shoot people on Fifth Avenue and get away with it, Barbara. Thank you so much for your call. So this brings up another piece of tape that I wanna play this is Chris rock in nineteen ninety six and his take on the Simpson trial in Chris rock's comedy, special bring the pain. Cancelled. O'day prize. Race. O'day wasn't famous. It'd be in jail right now. Both. The bus. Chris rock in one thousand nine hundred six professor Crenshaw. Chris rock, right? Yeah. Well, he's, I think both the caller, and Chris rock a right to point out that celebrity fame and wealth had everything to do with OJ Simpson being able to afford the kind of defense that could take advantage of the mistakes that the prosecution made, so. Absolutely. I, I would say the problem is that all of those factors ended up being a raced by the media's dominant narrative that this was exclusively about racial payback. I'll tell you story when the verdict was prepared to come forward. There were television cameras trained across the United States basically, to capture the racial division in the response. There was even a camera in my home that was coming to watch. How was I going to respond? What people missed in. That was two things. Number one, there were millions of white people, particularly white men, who also thought that OJ Simpson's should. Would be acquitted and I mean more white men, white people than there are even black people in the United States that part of the story wasn't told and the other thing that isn't told us what I've called the white riot. The response of many disappointed, white people who were incredibly angry, who would say to me directly some of them liberals that they weren't going to stop supporting black causes stop supporting civil rights, stop sending money to Peter shack and, and berry, who were doing the innocence project and why because they namely black people shouldn't have been celebrating so that white riot that response. I think that's the thing that's still lives with us. And it really hasn't been talked about nearly as much as I think it should be Steve Futterman, your I haven't forgotten about USA jump in. What do you think about what professor Crenshaw saying about the lasting impacts here? Why do think there's a lesson impact? I do think if you did a proper public opinion poll today, I think the racial divides would be less than they were before. Again, I brought up before you can feel OJ Simpson was guilty of the murders and not guilty in the trial. And I think if you take an intellectual look at it, there was a mountain of evidence against him. The blood is amazingly incriminating evidence against him. But again, the prosecution open doors for Johnny Cochran and the defense team to take advantage of an advantage is not a negative word. That's what defense teams do. And Johnny Cochran is a was a master defense attorney, I covered him a number of times, was always impressed. I remember him when he was in, in the DA's office. That's how far back I go with Johnny Cochran. Always impressed with him. And he had a number of things that were presented to them. Hi, Marcia Clark by crystalline by Bill Hodgman. There were like be my guest. I'll take it and I'll go with it. He went with it and allowed him to get the jury to find him not guilty. I just want to take a moment to, to observe that there's lasting national and cultural impact from OJ Simpson's trial. There's also the lasting impact on the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. And in fact, today, Kim, Goldman the sister of Ron Goldman. She launched a podcast just today where she hopes to get answers to questions that have haunted her since she was twenty two and the day, her brother was murdered confronting this part of my life is something I still need to do. I want to confront the fear the grief, the anger the loss the shame. I want to ask questions that have never been answered not only of OJ Simpson. But if everyone involved because this crime this case, this trial has changed us forever. That's the beginning of Kim Goldman's new podcast that she launch just today. Let's sneak in one more call here. Let's go to David who's calling from hangar, Massachusetts? David you're on the air. Hi, one thing, I it was many aspects of this case, obviously. But one thing I have is the looney issues domestic violence at the Simpson. Also, please call the his wife beaten up the brew is, you know, they have it on tape field her calling into background. I mean that's an issue. Also in the nothing the only issue but it was the only one not address today. Well, David, thank you. Raise it go. Early on that I was aware of that. Simpson had domestic of violence allegations against him very early on. And that's why I wasn't surprised that he was a suspect on that first day. But, you know, it's interesting if OJ Simpson was around, if this case was around today, let's say twenty nineteen would have OJ Simpson's previous encounters with police involving allegations of domestic violence, would that have made him a power Rana today in the era of metoo, there may have been a closer look of OJ Simpson, even before, the murders took place, which would have presented them in a different light is all I'm saying it. It's very interesting that in those days, nineteen ninety s nineteen eighty s when these allegations took place when police were called to the house, when the, the windshield was broken on the on the automobile it got little publicity because that was something that we didn't focus on back then. Steve to put a point on it. The prosecution didn't even put a focus on it. In fact, they had to be lobbied by domestic violence advocates to make the long history of domestic violence, as central part of their argument and they never effectively did it. That's right. Sister'd initially denied that she was a victim of domestic violence. So it was I was surprised and, and, and affirm that you saw that because so many people didn't see it, including the prosecution. And you know, in the civil trial, they did bring him some of that stuff up where they had Simpson talking about the, the bruises on her face. He called them. Oh, I forget the term, he used a some skin condition or something tried to downplay it. And that's another thing when you talk about why was he found liable in the civil trial. Two reasons you have proof proof beyond a reasonable doubt in the criminal trial, which is a very high level of proof. And then in the civil trial just proprietor of the evidence. Also OJ Simpson had to testify. In the civil trial. And they had the pictures of him wearing the Bruno Mali shoes, which were, of course, part of those footprints they found at the murder scene. We could have this conversation literally for hours because there's so many, there's so many pulses of what America was, and is this issue of how did we talk about domestic violence? Then we did America want to see it self or white America. Wanna see itself at the as at the time as being, you know, approaching colorblind society. We, we haven't even got to professor Crenshaw you pointed out a little bit about Christopher Darden and the position he was put in, as you know, the prosecutor on the LA DA in the DA's office, Marcia Clark, even as a high profile of female prosecutor here, there is just so much so sue professor crunch. I've just got two minutes here left to go. I mean, how, how do we understand what the lasting impacts are of this moment in American history? Well, I still think it's a missed opportunity because so much of the reaction to the verdict focused on anger towards the jury. For the disappointing outcome rather than anger towards the institutions that made it possible. So why not focus more on the fact that domestic violence hadn't been taken seriously? Why not focus on the fact that hurts, it never withdrawn the contracts to OJ Simpson because of these allegations. Why not focus on the fact that the handling of the evidence and the justifications that were given for the police, you know, actions didn't make any sense. So I think if, if there had been more of a shift to focus on what's not working that caused this disappointment, rather than focusing on the cherry, we probably would be at a different point in talking about this. So it's one of the things I'm talking about. I'm looking back thirty years in looking at that case with a new contemporary, I and I want to bring some of those issues out in the coming months, I would love to have you back when, when, when, as we do that, Steve Futterman, we're coming full circle here. With you in the last thirty seconds last word goes to you. And when you look back at the trial now what do you think about its impact on America? While I think it was a moment in time where you really had the entire country transfixed by a couple of moments, the slow speed. Chase the trial the verdict at cetera. I think it's important, I think the professor sort of hinted at this, you have to understand why the jury came back with that verdict, especially if you disagree with that verdict. You have to understand why the jury came back with that verdict. If you understand that you'll go a long way to understanding the entire OJ Simpson case, we'll Steve Futterman, west coast. Correspondent for CBS news primarily for CBS radio. He covered every aspect of OJ Simpson's criminal trial, the later civil trial. And of course, the two thousand seven two thousand eight Las Vegas robbery trial, Steve Futterman. Thank you so much for joining us today. My pleasure ridge be with you, and Kimberly. Williams, Crenshaw professor at Columbia law school, and the university of California, Los Angeles, author of the essay, colorblind dreams, and racial. Nightmares that appeared in the nineteen Ninety-seven book birth of nationhood, gays script and spectacle, in the OJ Simpson case, she has a forthcoming book in the works called on intersection -ality essential writings, which comes out later this year, professor Crenshaw, it's been a great pleasure. Thank you so very much. Thank you for having me. I'm magnitude crowbar this is on point.

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Thursday 12/26/19 - Chicago's Forrest Gump Part I

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Thursday 12/26/19 - Chicago's Forrest Gump Part I

"Alright Bang Bang. Today is Thursday December. Twenty six Chicago Dog Walk. We are here with Carl. Carl's the I guess car. How are you? I'm doing well and we're also joined by a gas to honestly it's very tough to explain what you agree. Carl forrest. Gump he is. He is the best way. The best way to describe is the forrest. Gump of the South side is that fair. And it's as far as you want it to be. I'm Jay stemming from the south side okay so your day so J. You are now our gym teacher at Santa Rita High schools. Oh is that right yes I am okay. So the way I originally came Iradar was I got on instagram. And this is what it said. You should do a dog walk with Jay we stand during. He's Rita's Jim coach. He's been struck by lightning twice. He was in a shark attack he tackled Oj Simpson College football game and he was best friends with David Hasselhoff for a time period. I won't get into all those are all of the above true some of those who true to some extent. Yes I was struck by lightning. Only once okay. Not The shark story is I have skin cancer and ahead a little black dot out there in the doctor in there and he cut it out and he said just tell people you got bit by a shark because it took half my side off really okay. Okay and I'm still living yes And then I I probably will tell you that I was a good citizen. I was helping elderly people cleaner gutters and fell off a second story roof in landed on the spokes down the down the rings at a ladder broke my scapula and and I was down for the count and I was right next to Jim Joyce ooh house and he says come on your tougher net. How you get compete up in order to him and now he can't get up? Could you fill up the RUFFIN Lennon. Letter come on now if the name if the name joy sounds familiar. That's Jerry Joyce's father. I believe yes it is and if you're listening to the dog right now Jerry. Joyce was running for mayor early in the year Eddie and I were over at his house in West. Beverly right down the street from where we are right now. Correct Interviewing Jerry. Joyce there's a little full circle for you. We call that southside Gogo very full circle. Art that we've been. This is my third time over here. The first time was Jerry. Jones who's running for mayor second son was with coach. You know we talked about you know his legendary career and now. We're hearing your couch Jaybird. It's great to be here so on south side. Yeah they call me Jaber and Brian was Kinsky. Who you probably know my very buddy from high school? He was one who used to hang around some of his fellow Baseball mates and when they went to Read A. He said Calm Jaybird prior to that they never call me Jaybird. So on the south side. I'm known as Jaybird in Donna. Florida autumn known as as my license plate says craziest J.. Fifteen crazy Jay fifteen. Which one do you like more depends on where you're at? Where's the free beer? Yeah Okay so you talked about Notre Dame I said something about OJ Simpson so tell us about all that because you went to Notre Dame de played football there. Did you really really tackle. OJ being defensive back you have no choice okay. He was one of the most phenomenally. Great backs you would ever ever imagine southern Kale head alliance that was larger than you could ever imagine. He battelle back that he gives the ball and he just find a hole in run one of my rules that I learned in now I teach to my players. You have to turn to play in so he goes sweep on the outside. What do I do I gotta attorney play him you anyone else who has ever played football if you have the ball and you're running on the outside and there's a defensive back there you and I'll guarantee take this you're gonNA shake and bake in always go to the outside and if I'm wrong whomever you're listening you tell me if I'm wrong but I'm right every back will shake and bake and go the outside so I was taught you come up on a player like OJ or anyone else and they're run a sweep and it's one on one okay? He can make all the moves in the world. You go the outside and you know what he were running to you and things will work out just like that. And if he cuts off to the inside which they very seldom do you have your your strong safety or your linebackers come over and help you okay so you caught. OJ Row Juke into the outside. How how many people are at this game after the game? My parents boy you give us fifty arlene sees. Not Name was very generous to US I saw. I'm glad that my father says no fifty fifty yards behind the end zone which is going into the the horseshoe of the stadium. He says I wish I was dated a bar. 'cause you tell people you tackled object like when people bring OJ Simpson. Do you always let them know like. Is that the first thing we say. No I just said that I played for Notre Dame. Okay can you tell me a a little bit about the relationship. With coach Parisian. The coach air precision was pretty much like a father to everybody. He was one they get to know the players. You'd sometime he'd be walking on all. The players from the locker room came up and he would put his arm rang and he would say well House POW House Tim. Immune How's your mom and dad and it really struck me. Like how does he know that. And he instilled on his other coaches to kind of do the same thing and it was just a real real family type of atmosphere. Okay and were you. Are you still diehard Notre Dame. Then like you still watch all the Games and everything when I get a chance. Okay yes I there's question. Do I go to the Games because I coached the freshman over Saint Rita. Okay play Saturday morning. I don't get a chance to go see him but I generally get to one or two games but because my son. Jj Played Football baseball northwestern. I going to share. engorged northwestern and Paul Played Wisconsin. So I go up there too so whenever I can you. Don't miss a beat as a freshman team look in this year the freshman team has had some struggles. Okay we lost to Jolie Catholic Gotcha fourteen to thirteen. We Miss Point. Then we had the ball and say to twenty at the end game and we fumble but that's football we know were we're doing fine Get some good kids so just Carlina talking with you before this. It seems like you have somewhat of a photographic memory like some of the things you remember. It's just just crazy. You know it's the truth. Why is it? I think everyone has it but certain things just just come out towing a good example of this would be We were talking about your time at Notre Dame. We're looking at the national championship. Because you WanNa Championship is a freshman and sixty six correct so you got the national championship ring. We're looking at their ring. You got the idea of your class ring correct and you're like yes my class ring and I remember I pay. Well what was it. Sixty three dollars and seventy cents and and then you get your wedding to S. I told my wife I don't wear jewelry and I'm not going to buy one rose other kind of rings the guys wear. So I'm gonNA put dishonor table. She said they'll be fine and they're here. We are how many how many years later forty seven years later and forty three years or eight forty three years later still wearing the classroom. It's a wedding ring. Now would you say like as you're I mean. Is it fair to say Saint Rita like as an institution all boy school on South side. How much of what you learn at Notre Dame do you try to take to read every day number one? Notre Dame was a Catholic school in academics. They were very south. They had a discipline in the classroom. They had a cut system few CA class three times. You gotTa Automatic F. in Notre Dame name we had you had to get at least a two point to stay eligible where maybe the the big ten and maybe you know all the other conferences you know. They went down to one six but they kept us to and I guess I did forget something. I don't know if it was a two two or two so we had to at least get all sees. Yeah then if you didn't you wouldn't play your buddies ever buster. Ball's a little bit of auto sixty three dollar wedding ring I don't know if anyone really knows that. And that's a secret or so. This is breaking news here as breaking news. But that's the only thing I had to pay at Notre Dame. Yeah I was on full scholarship meaning we got maid service. Well everybody did. We got laundry which it was paid for but nothing extra under under the table because we had a laundry service right there school all the meals any tutors that I want in the classes that I took you head of one hundred twenty hours to graduate so I got my degree in sociology and I had a minor in theology and I thought if I ever wanted to teach I would get education classes in which Notre Dame did not have any then. I went on to Saint Mary's to get my education classes so now I went to the book of all the states and I tried to figure out where is the largest number of education classes you have to have teaching state or the city and whatever it was I think it was twenty. Four four got twenty seven hours in education so it ended up me graduating with It was a hundred and twenty seven hours instead of one hundred twenty so so I went a little bit further than that which I didn't mind yeah early. You're not afraid to go the extra mile. Oh Leo Lyons everybody knows. They can't be beat. What stay in the Catholic League for a second? I played baseball otherwise we often played against Saint Rita. You're the freshman coach it a lot. Like great seines and acronyms in the dugout. You're in if I could lead over to the table I'd love to show you this now. This guy I said he knows baseball on. The back of the shirt is all my j. `ISMs Holy Shit. These are these are the real things in everything means something okay. So there's this random sayings that I mean I'm looking at probably forty different things on the back of his tee-shirt what is come on. I know what it means. I want to hear you say background. I called you on the phone over the weekend in what turned into hair. We on Tuesday turned into a ten minute conversation about. How do I know? What the abbreviation for C.? was and I passed remember. You did. Yeah but you didn't know the real meaning of it. I told you a little bit a little bit. I didn't know it was in Nebraska. I I told them news. At Grocery store they would hop pop canaccord. It'd be be careful stands for Kenneth Corn Limit Cliff. Hi It's called. Co see a can of corn. It was in a mom posture in Nebraska. Lillo lady came in and says he wanted to Canaccord Canaccord in the mom and pop store the Oh boy he came over to the catacombs up there. Let me get a stick. He went and he moved. It came down. She caught it and he says CEO. See sort the major league teams will use this and I have many different things and as I said I I give these shorts out every year on the front side. I'm a nickname guy. Everybody gets a nickname and like nicknames. You just can't give it to someone they have to work for or you just have I have to catch. Something and kids are amazed to see that. And it's just it's just a riot. So here's somebody's nickname is. ESPN how how they get the nickname ESPN. You know. There's any any any nicknamed here that kind of jump. I'm just GonNa read a couple of these off. Casey Jones Heinz Ketchup Chili Dog. Oh I got a buddy named Chili dog. Moon man broken finger. You got to want it. You want to make me how they didn't want it Toco through some of these now. I would have to think a little bit but at the time this is who they they. Are you know during the game in the lineup. Because the lamb cartoon school and coaches. What's his name? I said that it is you can't do that. I I'm undoing it. Does anyone ever get like. They don't like their nickname. Like a come up to you after practice. Note saying no because it's very appropriate. Okay and it might even come down to our last game where someone doesn't have one and then all of a sudden somebody says something and you say my gosh. We didn't recognize at the the whole year. Any nickname standout timeless. Your favorite nickname circus man. I will run into this this guy every so often. He lives out in the burbs he played field. This guy would catch anything. How long ago was this? I say thirty two years me just going back to the photographic memory thing had brought up earlier okay thirty years ago. circus means `field left field. There's a fly ball and it's like A. B. This guy's running his tail off and all of a sudden he dives and he comes up with the the ball. The umpire runs Out You know in in rings and MOM's says you're out and it just happened. I says you know what you're at a circus man and he just coming you know be diving for balls and and just is doing everything and anything just phenomenal and I will see the guy sometime if someone local bars or a southside prey. Whatever else? He Jose coach. How you doing and I look at them? It'll take me two seconds circus man. I said you still got. He's I'm trying to teach my son that that's that's that's great. Can we do we want to get into the lightning. What happened with the lightning's? Yeah Gee why. Why are people senior got struck by lightning twice? What's the confusion the fish story story always gets bigger and bigger? It's only one fish okay. There's only one fish but there's others one bolt where what what okay. Why don't we start this? How old are you? I was insane Rita. Fifteen years ago I had my Achilles operated on and I was there s Saint Joe Hospital downtown and and The operation was successful but the doctor. Yeah it's okay Dr Williams says Jay. You're GONNA be alright. Everything's going to be fine. So he said you can still coach but you have to be in a golf cart and you have to elevate your foot. Not a problem said not a problem. A lot of people would say that's probably can't get a golf cart Jay. You're just yeah same. Read ahead of Golf Cart. Put me in the car headed a couple. Put me in a car. Some coaching out there. I didn't know where nobody really knows. It was just a beautiful day. Thunder came in Dan. All of a sudden somebody hit me on the top of the head. I guess that's why I'm bald. So the the top beanie. It hit that in if I could. It's like having your fingernails. Come down like this. You know they feel that okay. In all of a sudden you know sparse came out of my fingers and my toes and I was like in a trance in some of the other players got hit too but they have their helmets on. It wasn't really bad. Yeah and I was just in a state of shock trainer came over and he did some of the vibes on us up. They took me to the hospital. Little Company. They they did all the particular X Rays and everything in doctor says okay Saddam. I said as I said before you talk to me. I've got to blood. Clots into blood clots in my calf so if the ladies struck me when through my whole body would it take care of the blood clots. Guess what he said. No it doesn't work stairways. Damn I can't be win so there it was also the hospital. Said you are lucky man because some people have an entry and an exit. Okay so then let's Let's move into David Hasselhoff. Here's we got on the line of the forest gump life. David Hasselhoff astle off my parents who have a lake house at Lake holiday which is a between sales insomniac Illinois so by the way to crow flies. It's Kinda straight without a hundred eleven th street so we had to go through plainfield which those at the time of the tornadoes and everything so it was only about sixty two miles being undertaken heaven abode in playing golf. And all that in going to church. You got to meet different people so around. The bend of the lake was. WHO's a family called the hassle loss and We would always see them a church and we'd always go over to their place in sometime our place in have a couple of del Pepsi's season so far so we got to know the family pretty well so yes you at the time. David was doing a lot of theater work. You know around Chicago and everything. He wasn't a real big time. You know like he was with Baywatch. And so make a long story short He used to use my snowmobile here. I am the city. I'm teaching coaching. Everything he comes in for a little vacation he comes over us a snowmobile and away. You go and of course everybody has the same story. Did you put gas in it when you left. No he didn't and I I jumped on them all the time because of that and it was just is hilarious but now here we are my wife. Julie Myself Jay Bobby and David. We're going out to because I'm often summer we're going to. We're going to go water larger scheme which we normally did and we're going to go hit the jump to ever do jump. I'm not much of a water skier but I know the jump. Well here we are. We thirty new at all and my brother and I we played sports. And we're we're pretty versatile okay. Rock paper scissors. Okay Bob you're going. I could it vocals around all of a sudden. He hits the ramp and he falls down immediately does about fifteen roles in Atlanta war. And we're laughing our balls off. I guess what a bull comes by their laughing too. So where do you guys doing. WELL WE WANNA go for the job. He's doing yeah. We went to the lodge and got the jump skis because because those are the wooden skaggs instead of the big metal one right and you tell me smart guy. What did we do? You didn't get the rights. Uh I don't know we didn't get the ramp. Why don't you? What the ramp? I know we didn't know you guys buffer dry ram head. You wish you don't know what you I don't know I didn't know so. He paid a price so We should've turn the water on which you know some of the place that we didn't so we just you know went through water on air. We took our turns and we all did very well and it was neat and to this day and David he win of course he he. Did you know he he goofed up. But that's all right. Yeah I mean who's perfect now. Is that own up so with David them so we could marry After the wedding here. Think Hazards We we win. Julie and I went to Hawaii for two weeks. It was fantastic events. Good how much is your plane ticket on the way home. No that's another trip okay. So so on summer. I'm off so Julie Toler boss. Hey would you mind if you know we take a trip out to California. I just bought a brand new van. We drive out to California because they've gotta had come up so we go see David right there. He takes us to all these nightclubs and so forth. You know private ones. And he's saying Oh there's so and so they're so and so you know guys is and girls I said I don't know who you're talking about. I don't really know all I WANNA do is have a co beer and talk to you so we stay with him about awake restless. I was Gonna say he was never in Union addresses so we kind of tied to the first night. I said David. Don't you have to go to work tomorrow. I said what about your lines. Don't worry don't worry I got US know. Tell me what do you do. I wake up in the morning and I turned the recorder on and it keeps playing and plan and plan. I give my car Hark Plan and plan I get to the set in there. We are in. He says let me tell you about this. Did you ever watch people in soap operas and some of the stuff that I don't even watch. TV He says what to do. He says if two people are talking and they have the camera on the Second Guy Watches is because his is gonNA focus somewhere else because they've got a billboard this probably fifteen by fifteen with all the words on it and and and that's how they can catch so I said David you do that. He's Oh do I do that a lot. He says some days are work. Could before hours or we're could be twelve hours because of three or four people Taiwan and they with it you know they're not gonNA call it a day off they just say okay. You gotta stay here take one to always it. Got Up to take ten and there is ready to fire me. Holy Shit now you go but I want to go back to you being on the wake with Hasselhoff. Because I've heard stories about you at the Kennedy Park Water show and that you put on like if you know Kennedy Park famous parks go like you've you've put on historic performances at the Kennedy Park Water. Show what's at about. I worked at a park district forever and being in the district in water shows. I guess I was the the guy a took a lot of guts. So here's was just some of the things okay so here I got a GTO bed ask all right so Kennedy Park Right now. Fifty our pool so fifty yard heard the water. Then there's the deck in some bushes and then there's the sidewalk most your sidewalks at the participator between ten and twelve feet wide. It's time sounds like you could fit car warriors with my GTO so here it is. I'm ready I gotTA sinuses. That's all folks. I got the handle. The ropes gone all the way through. We hooked up on the bottom of my car. My brother's brake torque and a car. You know what that means man. He's too two young okay. You Break Torque you put your foot on the gas and use more you know really revved up in your foot on the brake yeah and then when you let go emmys Break Torkan engine so my pillow. So now we're the park district. is they put the swings and stuff lurk is otherwise. It was a big open-field so he would just buzz right down through the grass is of course you know. Put a few a tire marks through but I would. I would get up and I stopped right before before the end of the pool in fact Mayor Daley and his boys who their needs to come to the shows. They were really impressed with our show so I would stop right there. They thought I was going to run through the offense now. I just got off the skis over and shook his hand since how you doing. That's great okay. Another time I says as I can idea The theme I guess was Superman of song. I says let's get a fires snorkel. Will you put up between the tennis courts and a pool DR at their. Get this norcal and goes high as you can because when you go so high it kind of comes back so I was way up there way up to and we built a phone booth clerk so I bust through the phone booth and then I would just kind of do a swan dive into the water. That's great I mean I have I have like my question. SORTA largest through like what you know the the top line stories with the hassle and everything. Carl did some great research and I'm just excited. They give you one more pack up for it so I says you know what you know. I'll be one of the first ones but the light pole on your side of the pool and you see the chimney of the other building get the rigors out there and we will put a cable going across and I will take a rope and a stick and I will cannibal all the way across. Hold the signs. Say That's all folks and then I will just drop into the waterways you won't I won't I will do anything that's all. I climbed to spy Lycos on me I go over I land man I was scared of Heights. Almost good enough. You're not scared or nothing well I will parachute that's your one. I won't parachute what about Bungee jumping at like six knows no all right so we went along so we're gonNA stop right there. We're GONNA come ask you tomorrow with part two with the forrest gump of the south side of Chicago.

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Football Crimes

Killer Knowledge

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Football Crimes

"The crime and football heavy shared dark history that has sometimes overshadowed the game unfortunately players like OJ Simpson Rake Ruth and Aaron Hernandez are now forever known for what they did off the field breath. Welcome to kill her knowledge. Apar- cast original. I'm Carter Roy. And it's time to learn some true crime history as two players. Go head to head Ed in this twenty question Trivia podcast every episode. Recover a new topic like the headline making Zodiac murders. That shocked the nation. Violent mobsters. There's like John Gotti who gun their way to the top and serial killers like Ted Bundy. Who craved notoriety this week? We're looking back at headline making in crimes surrounding the game for football joining me today to test their true crime. Expertise are Andrew from Los Angeles. Who Works in marketing and Katie from Greenville South Carolina who works in social media? Welcome to the show thank you. Thanks for having US before we start. Let's remind our listeners. You can play along along with more episodes of killer knowledge and find all other par- cast originals on spotify. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. We also want hear from you. Our listeners leave US review wherever you're listening and reach out on facebook instagram at podcast and on twitter at podcast network Andrew and Katie. Let's lay out the rules of killer knowledge for you and our podcast listeners. There will be twenty multiple choice questions. ABMC broken up into three rounds fair warning. The questions will get more difficult as the game. Plays on a correct answer earns you the point for that question. An incorrect answer gives the other player the chance to get it right Andrew. If you buzz and I will hear this sound Katie your buzzer sounds like this and one player will be eliminated a native in round two while the other will move on to play for some amazing prizes including the par cast golden headphones. Make sense do you yes okay. Let's play killer knowledge. Here we go with round one. This first round is about the most post high profile cases involving well known players from the National Football League are the names and crimes that have been all over the news. We begin with the most notable football legend when it comes to true crime. OJ Simpson before. He went on trial for murder in January nineteen ninety-five Simpson played in the NFL. For eleven years. He was a running back for the buffalo bills for most of his career for question number one which other the NFL team did OJ. Simpson play for a New York. Giants the San Francisco Forty niners see see Miami Dolphins Andrew see Miami Dolphins that is incorrect. Katie would you like to guess. Be San Francisco Forty niners. The forty niners is the correct answer. OJ Simpson ended his football career with that team in nineteen seventy nine nine during his career. Simpson was the first player to ever rush for over two thousand yards in a regular season. He was inducted into the College Football Hall of fame. Aim in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty three in the pro football hall of fame in Nineteen eighty-five but all of those accomplishments would be wiped from OJ Simpson's legacy almost a decade later. Kitty one Andrew Zero after retiring from football in Nineteen seventy-nine OJ worked as a broadcaster and and actor until June nineteen ninety four. That's when the world would come to know him as an accused murderer. One of the victims was his ex wife Nicole Brown Simpson question number two. who was the other person? OJ Simpson was accused of killing a Robert Shapiro. Pirot be Robert Kardashian. See Ron Goldman Andrew. See Ron Goldman Oldman. Yes Nicole's friend Ron Goldman was the second victim. The two were found stabbed to death in front of Brown condo. In the Brentwood neighborhood in Los Angeles Goldman had come over to Nicole's home to return her glasses. She had left them at the restaurant where he worked earlier that night. The score is one to one continuing canoeing with the OJ. Case June seventeenth nineteen ninety. Four was the day charges were filed. Simpson was to surrender himself to police. Well that's also the day he started what is unquestionably the most famous car chase in history question number three what kind of car was. OJ In during the chase. A nineteen seventy three Ford Bronco be nineteen seventy four Ford Bronco See nineteen eighteen seventy five Ford Bronco Katie see nineteen seventy five four bronco that is incorrect Andrew. Would you like to be nineteen seventy four Ford Bronco that is also incorrect. The answer is a one thousand. Nine hundred seventy three Ford Bronco. Who can forget seeing that White Bronco cruising along Los Angeles highways driven by his friend and former? NFL player. AL cowlings the car chase. Ace was very low. Speed about thirty five miles an hour cowlings and Simpson led police on a pursuit that went on for two hours and about sixty miles AL's around southern California that means the score is still one to one because Oj went on the run. He was formerly considered a fugitive and a warrant was put out for his arrest. People all over the country not just in. La stopped what they were doing to watch the car. Chase play out on television so oh four question number four. How many people were said to have witnessed the car chase on TV? A seventy five million. Be eighty-five million. C Ninety five MILLEA. Katie a seventy twenty five million. That is incorrect Andrew. Would you like a guess. Be eighty-five million also incorrect. See Ninety five million in. Is the right answer eventually. Simpson's car chase ended at his Brentwood home at around eight PM. He parked out front. Stayed in the Bronco for forty five minutes then went inside his home for another hour before finally surrendering to police. The score is still one. Two One O.. J.'s arrest was of course a media circus but the televised trial which would begin at the end of January. Nineteen ninety-five would surpass that in spades judge Lance Ito detective Mark Furman and Deputy District Attorneys Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden become household names. OJ's legal team would also get get their fair share of televised fame. His team included high profile. Attorneys Robert Shapiro. Robert Kardashian Johnny Cochrane for question number five five what was the nickname given to his team of lawyers. A America's team be the Dream Team. See the wrecking crew injured. B The Dream Team. The Dream Team is the right answer. Shapiro Oh Kardashian. And Cochrane are the more recognizable names but the Dream Team consisted of over a dozen attorneys. That makes the score two to one in favor of Andrew as the world knows the Dream Team eventually got OJ acquitted of murder but he still found himself in prison years later. On the night of September Timber Thirteenth. Two Thousand Seven Simpson in some friends staged robbery at the Palace Station Hotel Casino in Las Vegas Nevada. They reportedly he took sports memorabilia at gunpoint which simpson claimed had been stolen from him. Simpson was charged with multiple. Felony counts and sentenced to thirty three years in prison. But that's not how long he actually served question number six. How long did OJ Simpson actually actually serve for his vegas crimes? A nine years be fifteen years see twenty years Katie A.. Nine years the correct answer is nine years. OJ had been convicted of twelve counts including robbery. Sorry assault with a deadly weapon and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. He was released on parole October. First two thousand seventeen that makes the score to due to The good news is we're done with the OJ questions but they might also be the easiest questions you'll face today since the case is arguably the most famous one one involving a football player. So let's see how well you do with some more recent. NFL players and their crimes. Starting with Michael Vick Vick played for thirteen thirteen years in the league. While he had notable achievements as a quarterback he made headlines after being imprisoned for his involvement in dog fighting ring known as the bad news Kennels in April two thousand seven police discovered over seventy dogs with signs of injuries on Vick's property in Surry County Johny Virginia. He'd been playing for the Atlanta Falcons before pleading guilty to his crimes. So question number seven is how many any years did Michael. Vick play for the Falcons before going to prison. A Four B Five C six Katie. See Six yes. Michael Vick spent six years in the NFL. Playing for the Falcons before before spending twenty three months in federal prison. Of course Vick was released by the Falcons while locked up and NFL. Commissioner Roger Goodell formerly suspended suspended him from the League indefinitely without pay that makes the score. Katie three Andrew Two in April two thousand nine. Michael Ovik testified in a federal bankruptcy court that he was a changed man in would repay his creditors by playing professional football again in in July of that year he got his chance when the NFL reinstated him so for question number eight. What team signed Michael Vick? After after he left prison a Philadelphia Eagles Be Cincinnati. Bengals see Oakland Raiders. Andrew Be Cincinnati. Bengals that is incorrect. Katie see Oakland Raiders. I'm afraid that is also also not the right answer. The Philadelphia Eagles signed Vick in two thousand nine and it turned out to be the best season of his career. He spent five years with the Eagles before a season. Each with the New York. Jets and Pittsburgh steelers vic then officially retired from professional football in two thousand seventeen that means the score remains three two in favor of Katie. We turn now to one of the most tragic cases stemming from an NFL player. In June two thousand thirteen eighteen former tight end Aaron Hernandez was charged with first degree murder in the shooting. Death of friend Odin Lloyd question number nine and what team was Aaron Hernandez playing for at the time of his arrest. A New England patriots be Los Angeles. Rams uh-huh See New York giants Andrew a the New England Patriots Aaron Hernandez was a a New England patriot. Making the score. Three two three or the team cut ties with him within ninety minutes of his arrest and it meant he would forfeit his remaining salary that that extended from two thousand fifteen to two thousand eighteen question number ten to end this round. How much money did Hernandez lose after his arrest? A nine million dollars be nineteen million dollars. See Twenty nine million dollars. Katie St Twenty nine million that is incorrect Andrea B nineteen million. Nine hundred million is is the correct answer. Aaron Hernandez was eventually convicted of first degree murder. In April two thousand fifteen in Massachusetts that charge automatically carries a sentence of life in prison without a possibility of parole Hernandez committed suicide in his jail sale. Two years later a judge then erased raced his murder conviction because under Massachusetts law convictions are vacated if the defendant dies before an appeal can be hurt. Now that ends round one which means we've hit the halfway mark and the score is four to three in favor of Andrew. We're not done covering hovering crimes by NFL players just yet after the break. We'll look back at the case of former linebacker Ray Lewis and we'll move into some college football true crime history as the questions. Get a little tougher. Plus at the end of round to one of our players will be eliminated from the game. Welcome back you're listening to killer knowledge. I'm Carter Corduroy. Andrew and Katie are competing in our trivia podcast to see. WHO's the real true crime expert? This week we're all learning about some of the most infamous is crimes tied to the game of football. We're going to pick back up with the criminal history of another former. NFL player in just a minute. But let's see where Andrew and Katie stand with points it is Andrew for Katie three. And before we get into round two let's get a little rules. Update the questions are still multiple choice. ABC and correct. The answer is worth one point each. However there's a twist in this round called the killer question? That question is worth three points because there Arnaud multiple choice options. You either know the answer or you don't and you better hope you know it because one player will be eliminated at the end of the round. All right ready to keep playing Yup. Absolutely N- okay. Here we go with round to the questions. We'll get a little more difficult this round as we move from the more high profile crimes tied. NFL players to college football scandals that ruined lives and reputations we begin with a super bowl. Mvp Ray Lewis was the Baltimore Ravens Star linebacker. Who helped win his team the championship in two thousand one but it just a year prior to winning that Super Bowl Ring Lewis was in the middle of a murder trial? It all stems from a night out with friends and to fight that ended ended with two people stabbed to death although he was never found guilty of committing murder. Louis did plead guilty to another crime question number number eleven. What crime did Ray Lewis plead guilty to surrounding the case a assault be obstruction of justice? This C- Conspiracy Katy B obstruction of justice obstruction of justice is the right answer that that guilty plea was part of an agreement with prosecutors to testify against the other men charged with the murders that ties the score at four to four Louis had been at a super bowl party with friends the night the fight broke out. He was allegedly wearing a white suit. which has never been found? Prosecutors believe strongly that there were bloodstains from the victims on that suit but blood from one of the victims did connect Lewis to the crime question number twelve. Where was that blood found on? Ray Lewis's shoes be in his home see in his limousine Katie. See in his limousine see in his limousine is the correct answer. Lewis two friends were eventually acquitted of the murder charges in June. Two thousand. No other suspects have ever been arrested for the incident that makes the score five four in favor of Katie now just a few years after the. Oj Simpson case was televised another. NFL player found their air murder. Trial broadcast to the world at the end of Nineteen Ninety nine former Carolina Panthers. Rake Ruth's pregnant. Girlfriend was shot to death in her car. You're in Charlotte. North Carolina by one of caruth associates. Two years later in two thousand one CARUTH was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder order shooting into an unoccupied vehicle and using an instrument to destroy an unborn child for question number thirteen. How many years? Here's did caruth spend in prison for hiring someone to kill his girlfriend a nine years. Be Nineteen Years See Twenty Nine Years Andrew. B Nineteen Years Nineteen years. Is the right answer unlike. Oj Simpson just years prior. CARUTH did not walk away a free man. After his murder trial he was released from prison in October. Two thousand eighteen that makes the score Gore five to five remember. We still have the killer question worth three points that could pop up at any time and one player will be eliminated at the end of the round. Our next question involves the case of Robert. Rosier a former short-lived NFL player for the St. Louis Cardinals. Rosiere admitted needed to murdering seven people because of his involvement in cult being a member of the group required murdering a quote white devil and returning a body part to the group's leader. y'All way Ben. y'All way as proof for question number fourteen. What was the name and of that Colt? A Heaven's gate be the Brotherhood. See Branch Davidians Andrew B the Brotherhood. Yes the Brotherhood is the right answer. Rosiere was later the star witness for bringing down that Colt handed handed leader. He was sentenced to twenty two years in prison for the murders but was released in Nineteen ninety-six and entered the witness protection program however in nineteen ninety nine. He was arrested for passing bad checks which is a felony. Rosiere was convicted under the three strikes law and sentenced to twenty eighty five years in prison. That makes the score six to five in favor of Andrew the NFL saw its fair. Share of players become criminals but college. Football has not been immune one of the most controversial college football scandals involved former Penn state assistant coach. Jerry Sandusky between nineteen ninety. Four and nineteen ninety-seven Sandusky. Engaged in inappropriate behavior with several boys. He met through a nonprofit. The the incidents were reported but no actions were taken against him. Sandusky then retired from Penn state in nineteen ninety nine with America status for question number fifteen. How long was Jerry Sandusky? A coach at Penn State a twenty years be thirty years see forty years Katie. Twenty years that is not the right answer her Hendra be thirty years thirty. Years is the right answer. Sandusky served for three decades under head coach Joe Paterno or no and as it turned out but turno and three Penn state officials including the school's President Vice President and athletic director. We're all aware of Sandusky behavior. Thankfully Sandusky Day in court came in two thousand twelve when he was found guilty on forty five counts and received eight thirty to sixty year conviction. That makes the score seven to five Andrew now to another college football related case this this one involving retired. NFL player Reggie Bush in two thousand six while he was a star player at the University of Southern California reports surfaced that suggested Bush had violated NC Double A. Policies by accepting gifts from a sports agent for question number sixteen. What was the value of the gifts that push accepted a one hundred thousand dollars be two hundred thousand dollars C.? Three hundred thousand thousand dollars Andrew. A one hundred thousand dollars that is incorrect. Katie C.. Three hundred thousand dollars Alexa. The correct answer is c three hundred thousand dollars due to the scandal. USC had to vacate their winds of the final. Two Games of their two thousand and four national championship season as well as all their wins from the two thousand five season Bush also returned his heisman trophy from two thousand five that that means the score is Andrew Seven Katie six and that sound means it's time for the killer question remember. The killer question is not multiple choice. You either know the answer or you don't. This question is worth three points. And it's also the final question of the round so buzz in if you know the answer archly stor was a star college football quarterback so good he was drafted fourth to the NFL in nineteen eighty two two but his professional career was immediately plagued by his fierce gambling addiction. He even blew through his signing bonus before the middle of his first season in the League but today is known as a con man who scammed people for millions of dollars claiming he could get them cheap tickets to games including two was Alma Mater where he was glorified so for question number seventeen. The killer question were three points. What college did sleek her attend hand where he was considered their golden boy Andrew? USC that is not the right answer. Katie Barkley No. That is also not the right answer. The Ohio State is the correct answer. In September two thousand eleven fleece ter- was sent to prison for ten years for his crimes. And since no one got the killer question and we're at the end of round to to the score is now Andrew Seven Katie six. Unfortunately that means we do have to say goodbye to Katie. You brought so much killer knowledge to the show. Thank you so much for being here by thank you so much. We're going to take a short break when we come back. The final questions will test the depth of Andrews knowledge on college football scandals as he aims to win some amazing prizes including the coveted par cast golden headphones. Welcome back to killer knowledge. I'm Carter Roy. We've been quizzing Andrew in Katie about some headline making crimes surrounding the game of football now. L. Katie was eliminated from the game after scoring six points in the first two rounds. Andrew scored seven so only he will be answering the questions in round three her chance chance to win some amazing prizes now in this final round points. Don't matter right answers do here. Are the rules. This round consists of three three multiple choice. Questions for each question will provide to answer options AIRBNB. So you'll have a fifty fifty shot. Each correct answer is worth an amazing using prize. Get One answer right. And you'll get a spotify premium account free for one year. Get to answers right. You in a role in an episode of the park has original unsolved murders of stood by me. And if you get all three questions right in this round you win. The exclusive park asked golden headphones. And the chance to come back for one of our best of shows to compete against other killer knowledge champions. We're sticking with college football crimes to end today's days Trivia Challenge Andrew. Are you ready. He S I am okay. Then let's start round three the NC double A.. Has the power to ban a school from competing in a sport for at least one year it is the harshest penalty. A school can receive for question question number eighteen. What is the only school to have? Its football program received the death penalty for years of violating. NCWA rules rules. A Central Methodist University be southern Methodist University be the southern Methodist University. Southern Methodist University is the right answer. 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The O.J. Simpson Trial: Nicole Brown Simpson Part 1

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The O.J. Simpson Trial: Nicole Brown Simpson Part 1

"They were known as the sort of series and bacchus of La. That's the first thing I think. Oh I was so clearly wants to twelve year olds with no friends. Welcome to your wrong about the podcast. Where the trial of the century become the podcasts of the next that is ballsy Z.? My do you paused way too long. That makes me think it's not that no I guess that's podcast energy. You're saying we're one of the podcast of the sanctuary. I explained the subject matter in our episodes relatively rarely because is when I started researching something I tend to hang onto it. It's like a dog fetching of bone. And you're like give it back. Give it back give it back and it doesn't actually want to and I'm like I'm not ready yet and with this point we have been trying to record this for like two months in every week. God bless you I am like I feel like personally responsible for communicating like the trauma of Nicole. Brown Simpson's life to our listeners. And like get it all totally factually accurate And just do a great job for Nicole and it's like calm down Sarah. Just come down. So we'll continue wrong about the podcast. Where Calm Down Sarah Whenever you get me into the hot seat you're like this is going to be the best podcast and the whole world no pressure? It's fine and it's great yet and my name is Sarah Marshall and Dan Satanic and I and Michael Hobbs Emma reporter for the having to post and we are on patron at Patriot dot com slash. You're wrong about and today. We're we're talking about Nicole Brown Simpson. Yes at big huge podcast of the century. It's tough him. I've always been like nonstop reading for about three days now and also researching this case for the past two three months. Yes and much of your adult life to because you've written about this before you you've been obsessed with this off and on for ages. The first time I researched the OJ Simpson trial was in twenty fourteen. And I went in knowing almost only what I learned when I was a child because I was six and seven years old when this was going on what shocked me most and I therefore wanted to talk about first because we're going to do more than one episode on this. Yes because we have to because trial of the century is like literally the biggest event of the nineties basically however you measure public attention. I think definitely the biggest event of the ninety. Andy is in the United States. Unlike of course there have been probably like twenty trials of the sanctuary. Yes maybe you could call it the trial of the turn of the sanctuary because I think it really did say in many important ways wermer grammar where America was at the period that took place. We have guards to raise with regards to class to celebrities your expectations about our legal system to Americans understanding wing of justice our understanding of gender and domestic abuse. And so many other things yeah women in the workplace. Sure Women as General Concept Concept and so anyway I got really into it in the first thing that I focused on and then I was really amazed by was like Oh my God like this. Was this horrible tragic murder. When and I was a child I had no sense of that? I remember asking my mom if she thought Jay did it. Who Am I to her credit was like yes I do and I was really taken I remember being taken aback and I was like well? I think he's innocent. And I think that I said that because I mean I am actually didn't remember why and then as I was reading and watching all this footage of the trial has lately I'll like have the O.. J. Simpson trial on very quietly in the background as I'm working and like glance at it educationally and turn it up when something interesting happens which I think is how people watched it like in the workplace in nineteen ninety five. And as I've had it on like you see a lot of OJ Simpson's face. That was the only way he can communicate and I'll never testified and he really was a master of projecting congeniality and this impression of genuine happiness and calm. And I'm so happy to see you. You know he knew how to project charm basically and I think as a kid I had seen has facing has been like at. That doesn't look like murderer right right like that looks nice. That looks like a nice man and so as a little kid I think maybe I got the essential thing that many Americans were were really struggling with which was like aside from all the other issues that were part of this and that made it you know that that made us see this case from wildly different viewpoints depending on where we were in terms of race and class and gender and so many other factors in America there was also the sense. I think of like well. He's no he's a nice man Dan he's he doesn't look like a murderer. He looks like a nice man right. And how much we struggled with that. I mean it is amazing. How many of these things that purport? To be fact-finding exercises sizes are really these qualitative experiences. Have like is this person nights were not. Is this person human or not. Yeah and so that my first memory of seeing covered on the the news as a little kid and then I remember watching the set. The Saturday night live sketches. Yeah the only person on SNL who really expressed the gravity. Gravity of the situation was norm. MacDonald really fearing ever norm MacDonald as a person. Yeah I don't remember his jokes about this. He was the host of weekend update time and so oh it was a running thing that he would have completely seemingly unrelated piece. That would be like the pope is coming out with a new book next month it's called. OJ Is guilty. And God. God told me okay. Or they're just be like what seemed like kind of an innocuous late night joke about like Johnny Cochran and Robert Shapiro mended there are few today after. OJ Simpson threatened to cut both of their heads. Off Right yeah because one of the things about the murder that I didn't know until I started researching it as an adult. Was the Nicole Brown. Simpson had been almost beheaded. I'll faulk she's like. Oh my God like everyone's forgotten that. There's a woman and Brian who was killed in this horrible way and who had you know what was in many ways a a wonderful fallen end enviable life by many of the standards that we use in America but also a life of pain and terror and that all of that had been forgotten. I hey grown I'm just thinking about Rj Simpson's trial as just. Oh you know it was. It was a spectacle it was this. It was a thing that took over media for about a year and a half and everyone had opinions about it and everyone watched it and at the end of that you know we moved on and this interesting way we lost track of it being about a person trial sector big spectacle. Well this is my main memory of Nicole Brown around Simpson. was that every once in a while. You'd get these stories that are like we've forgotten about Nicole Brown center like forgotten in the midst of this circus as Nicole Brown Simpson the victim. And then I've always thought of it the way that we cover Africa in the media the tone of the coverage about those sort of hectoring like no way paying attention to the economic crash. Why aren't you looking at what's happened is reporting on this thing? Yeah and so. It's almost like it's sort of shaming shaming you at this time. They're sort of ignoring their own choices. And it always feels to me like well if you WanNa tell me about the economic crisis in Zimbabwe. Just tell me about it right like make me interested in Zimbabwe if there was a lot of the same sort of thing with Nicole Brown Simpson that they're like the heart of this candle and it's like you can just make her not invisible visible like you can just do a show about her or if you choose to you can just do. Tonight's coverage of the trial from her perspective. Like that's a choice that you've made eight. It's not inevitable thing you're right. I didn't even think of it that way before. But you have all these major networks occasionally one coughs out a little piece. It's like shame on you for not thinking about Nicole and it's like well you control media sling. I also feel like I have like I know basically nothing about about her. I think that she was a model. I guess she I know that O.. J. was like an abusive guy. I know that they had terrible like he had. ETA unbelievable temper was incredibly violent. And this really terrible human being. I wouldn't call anyone a terrible human being but terrible husband terrible terrible terrible terrible has but we're where should we start with actually telling her stories here. Where do you want us to start? I want to tell the story of her life to until right before for the murder and then I want to pick up with the murder when we start talking about the investigation and trial but anything before that. Let's talk about about that for yet. What what's what's her upper born? What's your deal Nicole? Brown Simpson was born in Germany. Okay she's the second of four daughters borne to Lou and UTICA Brown her mom's chairman. Her Dad was an American living in Germany lived in Germany until she was four out and then the family moved to southern California so one of my main sources for my information about her is raging heart by Sheila Weller. becomes out in February nineteen ninety five live which is basically right as the OJ. Simpson trial is starting. Marcia Clark the prosecutor has been trying to get information and insight and and materials from the Brown family and they have been according to Marcia Clark and her memoir reluctant to help her slow to help her kind of non-communicative in many ways but it turns out. They've been working on this book at the same time. The Okay Clark has had a hard time communicating with them with his theme in the Oj. Hey Simpson trial. There was a lot of money and books in nineteen ninety four and ninety five and there were several books or book deals directly affected the course of this trial trial. Wow what a time. Capsule I know isn't that isn't that while he's growing up and Sheila Weller Spokane From other people who knew her is that she was just the slake just like very active headstrong kind of diving headfirst into life. Kind kind of person like there's two separate stories about her being terribly injured and not really caring as a child like one where she is writing her bike as fast as she can to get home after going to the skating rink when she wasn't supposed to and then goes had over handlebars and gets a ride home and like it's fine. Everything's everything's fine. I had my fun. And then another word she and her sister Denise Got Really Into Horseback Riding and one day the horse throws harav. She hits her head on the ground shelves like blood coming out of a head wound and her sister has to ride her horse down onto a gas station to call to get help and at the end of it Nicole recovers and immediately gets back on her horse and keeps writing shit. Okay that feels like the way people remember her like she lay was known for not being scared of life. She's a knockabout kid. She's like an eighties lady's kid like we don't have kids like this anymore. Like their parents just let them go and like getting a bunch of accidents and like scrape their knees and stuff and we're just like no big deal whereas now if we'd all be calling. CVS yeah she's an outdoor girl and he's also raised Catholic because her mom is Catholic him so she prays every night for her grandparents and as a child would say as a child would say her nightly appraising Jerem and her sister. Denise is two years older than her is known as kind of the pretty one. What's really yes family? This is a family we're in. Coal is not the pretty one. How fucking Pretty Denise this Jesus Christ I think she's two years she has a head? Let's start and she gets the through the awkwardness a little bit faster. That's like me having a brother. Who's the short one? How tiny with this okay? Yeah this is a good time for us to do my favorite feature where you look up a picture of Nicole Brown Simpson. which what am I looking at pictures sir? Alive googling Nicole Brown Simpson alive. Okay there's one it's like a Paparazzi photo and she's got like one of those Beverly Hills Nine O.. Two Winnow blouses on where. It's a button up blouse. But she's tied it it around her waist so like her midriff showing four of Melrose Place Blouse may now and she's got daisy. Dukes like Super Short. Jean shorts on and she looks like Linda Hamilton in terminator or like Terminator two. where she's like Bob Exactly yes? That's the comparison Santa Spell. Looting me this whole time. She does because everyone mentions that she was a great beauty which is absolutely true but you know what else yet she was jacked. She looked super athletic athletic. She ran nine miles of second day. Did she really yeah. That is a lot of my. I mean that's too many but yeah in any any other families pretty one tell me told me about her like what is what does she look like. Action yourself a straight male if you will I mean this is this is the hardest. This is the hardest like Avatar species for Jack Myself into. She has a really sharp jawline. She has almond is. She has a sort of frowning kind of countenance that a lot of the photos of her she looked sort of serious in them. She doesn't have a sort of Anna Nicole. Smith was smiling bubbliness. She look sort of serious and in a couple of them she has her brows furrowed. She has really like a serious beauty. Right I guess what people call like. AC or something or like sort of yeah perfect yeah people use that word about Out Her and it's often saying something to the effect of you know like when I first met Nicole. She seemed icy and distant. Me But then I realized that was because because she's shy and very symmetrical right right. I mean there are many groups in society that of course we should have perhaps more sympathy for but I also think that attractive women who are shy get the short end of the stick because they always come off as being kind of better than right even if they're not really aware of their beauty or sort of thinking like I'm too hot for this which which I do I think women are conditioned to never believe themselves right. Yes and also if you're beautiful or conventionally attractive whatever the fuck that means and if if you are inclined to be maybe on the passive side or on the people pleasing side then like things will happen to you. Things all got started that you you do do not have the strength to stop. There's other thing too that if you're super smiley if you're kind of in that role and you're super smiling bubbly year. People are going to call you an airhead or a ditz right. And if you're not then people are GonNa call you an ice queen like those are your two options. Yeah if you'RE A beautiful woman you're fucked in America to discuss. Maybe you're fucked nicely more often but you know everyone's five that doesn't mean other people are fucked. I think there is as you researched the case Simpson the whole the whole thing. The whole Russia Bang there is especially in contemporary media. This kissed like Patina of casual on self-aware misogyny against Nicole against Nicole and against danced her ilk because she's always depicted as kind of a party girl when I don't know defined party girl. We'll get into that but one Jeffrey Youtube INS lines and the rest of his life. Which is the book that the Ryan Murphy Show is based on and is like a very good soup-to-nuts account of like this happen and then this happened in this happen happen? And here's what I think. And here's how I would have done a better job than all the lawyers like. I recommend it flake remarks like and like he's like all all of the Brown sisters had breast implants and none of them had college degrees. And you're like okay. So what are you making an argument counselor right. It wasn't your point right. Like how are those facts directly related to each other and like and they were. Vegetarians was left handed. Like trying to turn those into a trail of breadcrumbs that lead you to a particular conclusion. Same One thing has to do with the other. It's like they all drink. DECAF and uh-huh Bobby Sherman. And it's like okay. Yeah there's kissed the sense of like what she was in a serious person and I think her has something to do with it. Yeah and so- Denise Denise Brown Graduates High School and goes off and becomes a fancy model in New York City and briefer lives the modeling highlife and the coal goes and visits her in in Europe and kind of got to taste of that and is writing her family and friends. He's like postcards from Greece. But Pretty Soon Denise Scott's calls on another modeling job and Nicole is kind of a low and a far off country and she's like I really want to go back to Orange County and like who knows like if she if the modeling life would have been for her her like white. She would have done left photography and the guy who she actually lived with when she moved to Los Angeles after she finished high school they had become friends partly because they were both interested in photography and he was encouraging her to apply to go to school for it but she moved to La right after she turned eighteen. Careening birthday was may nineteenth nineteen seventy seven and she met. OJ Simpson five weeks later. Wow so she's fresh out of high school. She's dabbled very lightly lately in model laden sort of through her sister. Oh and another great story about like. The extreme beauty of this crowd is that there's kind of a group of friends snit Colon Denisa Manga them who hang out in Huntington Beach and argus like these beach towels that are seeing a lot together and denise describes he's one of them to Sheila Weller as a nice sweet plain normal girl named Michelle pfeiffer home regarding sweet and Plain Plain Michelle pfeiffer. So she's like in this group that is just. It's like rich kids. They're all super attractive. They're all kind of on this upward trajectory into becoming like their parents. Yeah it's an it's an environment of sheltered prosperity and so out of that shelter. She moves to real. La Yeah so she goes to Real La. She got her first ever job at a boutique where she works for two weeks and the owner is like. Why don't I give you a job at my club? The daisy easy as a waitress. It's very expensive and celebrities. Come barreling Jack Lemmon two weeks of the she gets job and daisy. I can't think of a less cool celebrity than Jack Lemmon. I'M GONNA be moving to. La hobnobbing with Gene Hackman. Or something quote. He didn't sell her on it that way. That's apparently how I would sell some of their detail Nicole at my club. Maybe you'll see okay. So she gets a job at this club. She super into Jack Lemmon. This is what I'm gathering. So far her she gets a job at this at this cool nightspot that has just started doing length which is very exciting down okay. Simpson when comes in five weeks of her turning eighteen and according to people who were with him that day saw this eighteen year harold waitress and said I'm going to marry that girl man and then he did. This is how old is he at that. OJ Simpson is at the age of thirty okay. His thirtieth birthday is going to be in July of that year. Okay he's nearing the end of his first marriage where he will say later on was like basically the over and he claims that his wife Trick Tim into getting her pregnant again which Loman knows how seriously to take that claim but like the Merrick. Eric has been in bad shape for a long time. Because he's he's been a philanderer. You can't say since day one because that's probably not literally true but it could be so he's already established pattern of being a bad husband. Basically he's established a pattern of being a bad husband in terms of cheating constantly definitely and arguably he's established a bad pattern in terms of abused because he's also people who talk to the media after his arrest to talk about you know his first wife Marguerite you know being known for they wearing dark glasses a lot indoors so that Merrick is drawing to a conclusion and at the same time his. NFL career is is nearing its end. And he's trying to figure out what is his life going to be about a right because in the NFL like you're gone by eight thirty. This is not a mid career thing. Okay some Sun did an interview with playboy in nineteen seventy six. And he's really. He speaks very openly about that. And about how much she has been strategizing strategizing what to do about the his football career and his relationship to fame and basically his fear of leg of experiencing what so many other stars of the sport have experienced because like you matter one day and the next day. You don't I mean if this was a podcast about a different person we would talk about. How sorry we feel for him but we all kind of know no how he manifested this anxiety? I feel very sorry for him. I feel bad for everyone. Yes I mean I think it's a real it's a real. He'll human thing of losing. The purpose of your life hurts so at the time he was also he really wanted to seize a role that would make his acting career Shell and he was lobbying very hard to play the role of Coal House. Walker and the film adaptation of E. L. Doctors Ragtime 'cause he was like American sweetheart. Art Right I mean as an NFL player. He he had like a American poster. Boy Image Right he did and and we'll get much deeper into this as as we talk more about him him later but I mean first of all I didn't feel like I had a grasp on why American men were so attached to Oj. Simpson Until I watched watched the first episode of the Oj made-in-america documentary you can read like Oj. Simpson gain this many yards in a season is in and it was great and everyone was happy. And you're like okay. I barely know what football is so right. That sounds good for him. Which is what I had done before? And then when you see footage of him you start to get it I mean what are you know about him at. What do you know about him? Let's start with that actually. Like tell me your impressions of like who is Oj. Simpson who was he. How is he known before he was charged with murder? I mean I have seen that documentary but not for since it came out however many years ago. That was any had had been teased a lot since. But I mean he was just he was born in San Francisco. Believe and like you said. He was like preternatural creator. Naturally gifted he was like one of the stars of Football. He wasn't just a football player. He was like the Mozart of football like He. He was at the peak of the sport. Yes he was one of those people. I mean like Tanya I think. He was a lot like Tanya because watching today renaissance watching time. You're like no one else in the fucking world can do it like that. And he talks about this in the playboy interview he compares. It is believed to his own state. Let me actually Guess Review Oj on okay. The playboy interviewer says what do you think enabled you to become unique as a runner and okay says that's hard to say. I never consciously tried to develop a running style or to imitate anybody else's when they had you the ball you don't think because you don't have time to think he gets run and you react. You gotta be able to recognize certain things that are happening at Barron. React without thinking to to do that. You have to daydream about running. I can watch a million game films but I do myself. MORTGA driving down the freeway. Daydreaming about runs against various teams last season. He wouldn't believe you've how Mike Ciandella dreamed about writing ninety yards against Pittsburgh which is one reason I was able to do it when you're really into it. Incredible things can happen. Some of the guys call that transcendental tation but to me. It's because putting yourself out there beforehand at imagining everything that's supposed to happen on every play you gotta be very receptive to that during a game but that's not always easy. It calls for deep concentration and the playboy interviewer says at what point during a game. Does all this concentration becomes something like pleasure and okay says this is also sports for an excuse for treatment to sit around talking about pleasure. Let's out that and okay says when I'm doing my thing. Man The rush part of a game from his running and the biggest rashes set in the cat down when running with the ball and he put an unbelievable move on a guy just about every fan watching the game. Feels the same thing you do. It's a rash and the whole stadium. Shares it with you. I mean that's what are you. What are you take away from that? What are you take away from? You know I want to hear yours I okay. Well what I take away from. That is that football has been his entire life you know. He grew up or he grew up in the projects. His Dad wasn't around because his dad was gay. which is something that okay was also extremely sensitive and angry about? He was in a lot of gangs when he was growing up. Some like kind of adorable named West side story sounding gangs but he got advice but a lot of time fighting as a teenager fighting stealing other guys girlfriends those are like hobbies in and track and he like was a record breaking track star and actually and then he got into football and football was what carried him into prosperity and stability But it also allowed him to provide for his whole family. I mean the thing is like people loved him and they did so for many reasons and one was that he was kind of this community. Eighty tent pole. That everyone likes to have you know He. He loved to be generous and of course it was often generosity. That was like four purpose lake. He sat sat. Nicole's mom up with a travel agency. He set Nicole's dad up with a hurts dealership because he. OJ famously was a spokesman for Hertz. He put one of Nicole's sisters through colleague. Les Key financially supported her family for many years so that when she tried to leave him. Many people have said that one one of the reasons that they were he may be talked her out of ending. The relationship with him was because they were financially dependent on him. Right you take care of his friends in many away's not some of the more crucial ways but he. He was generous and he was generous with people from the neighborhood that he grown up in bright but football was his way out. He says in Playboy interview. Something I find really interesting is that he was like I wanNA play for USC which is a very interesting school. It was one of the schools implicated in the college admission scandal recently and what. It's historically known for his being a private very white very wealthy colleagues. It's not part of the UC system. It's you know one letter away. And it's on the edge of watts little bubble of privilege middle of this bigger you're messier city around it and a very white bubble in a very non white environment so he's recruited by USC and he becomes counts extremely famous as a college football player and then is sent to the buffalo bills and given a very lucrative contract. But the problem is he has to live in buffalo right and also he is under utilized by the team the first couple years. He's there and then. Eventually the team comes under new management and and he vaults into the kind of start that he's been trying to get and he's now an and beloved and he is quoted at around this time of saying you know I wanNA walk down the street wouldn't be known and he like the Elizabeth Warren of his time and away because he will sign autographs for hours. He loves loves crowds. HE LOVES TALKING TO RANDOM FANS like he might at times like being in the presence of random fans much more than he likes being with the people who actually know him. Oh really yeah. Because he's someone who people are very happy to see so the first episode of Oj made in America. One of the things things that that that documentary does that I love is really like intersperse clips of okay at USC with the social changes that are happening at that time that OJ assertive conspicuously absent from nineteen sixty eight is theory that the runners on the Olympic podium to a black power salute right and they had been riders from San Jose State. And Okay who is from that same region. The documentary shows him doing scratch. USC WITH BOB. Hope I feel like that's a really interesting illustration of the life life that he chose did sort of. Choose the America's sweetheart fork in the road. Yeah and I and he knew that like he wanted to make a living his whole life if he wanted to to get paid and to be loved by the public and I think he knew he needed to do that as like a an a political eternally smiling black man bright and that's really my mental image of him and that's how a lot of people saw him and I think what what comes up in the story is like you know the story that you you hear so often in cases of domestic violence where it's it's compartmentalized. Everyone knows him as like this calm. Happy Friendly Guy but right Nicole was for a long time the only one who really sees then he can be this other way right. Also the public doesn't like it when we construct somebody as this kind of a political smiling flag and Apple Pie type of figure and then we have to deal with the messy complexity of them as a person that's happened over and over again right then. That's exactly what goes on on with him and to jump forward a little bit there is an incident with OJ assaulting Nicole in nineteen eighty nine. That does end up coming to the media's attention and Nicole Nicole when deciding whether or not to file charges against him or to pursue the matter says she doesn't want him to lose his endorsements boo and that's one of his greatest fears his he becomes the spokesman for Hertz and the nineteen seventies faces on his career in the NFL. And that's like this huge long running commercial partnership there's so many commercials with Jason running through an airport and the people who made those commercials and okay made in America talk about like we always positioned him with like old white people or like little white children waving him to show that like he's safe like he's friendly away and he's always wearing a three piece suit you know may talk about like doing this. Like my fair lady thing with him with like he he would say like get instead of get and they would like really insist on like wait sounding Annunciation. Wow so it's like trying to make him as unthreatening threatening as possible and where the ven diagram for the word threatening in the word black as leg just circle by. It's you know and he passed. The test is Mike he was able to be that. And it's very sad to think about someone who is dancing as fast as they can for their entire life right gray olive his friendships except for a few exceptions as he continued to rise. Were with lake middle aged wealthy white men. Like Bodmer Dash. Cam Immortalized Spe. David Schwimmer Ryan. Murphey show is a great example of this. Robert Kardashian is like an Armenian millionaire who has a the house that I believe. Jeffrey toobin describes I hope lovingly looking like a I think he said brothel and the issue with him his you know so. He's finishing his football career. And he talks candidly and the playboy interview about. Like I WANNA go out when I'm on top. I want people to remember Vermeille my best. Unlike I'm already planning I can feel it and I think reading the interview. You just feel this palpable anxiety about like everything's GonNa be fine like I'm just concentrating on picturing myself succeeding and like getting the ball and his going in. How right right but he had? It was hard for him to get his His post football career off the ground so these are like the anxious waters that he's in when he meets Nicole yeah his marriage is ending his career's ending and most importantly of all I think he is potentially looking at a future where people as in cocoa start forget about him and if that happens then he will gradually ceased to exist. Okay Okay and into this walks Nicole. Who is only eighteen? Yeah ZSA and five weeks old so how does how does the courtship work. He keeps coming back to the restaurant and asking her for two days. Why does she say no? Oh at first. Because she's playing hard to gut and because she doesn't know who he is because she's only eighteen pay. Well no I mean he's he's still playing and the NFL at this time. This is a nineteen seventy seven. They were in each other's lives for more than half her life. She had lived a long and terrifying life. Yeah by the time she died but she gets like didn't give a shit about football so she like. It was talking to her friends. She was like which one. What is okay some setting on over new? It's as if Arianna Guerande hit on Hewlett arrest. But after today's she agrees to go out with him and she is living in La with her friend. David Lebron he sleeping on the floor she sleeping in the bed. And they're the tonic besties. Says she comes home. I'm from her first date with okay at two in the morning and earlier she was like why should I wear and he was like you should wear tight jeans and acute top and she comes home and the Zipper of her jeans has been ripped off of the fabric and David Lebron. Jesus fucking Christ. What happening? She was like he ripped my pants off by. I really like him Jesus. That's the first day they went to make out point and he ripped her pants off. Wow so it's it's like this perfect literary voting of the life that she's about to have yes. This is a very literary situation and okay very quickly. I don't like you living with some guy who fuck even like within a couple of dates he's already doing and so he's like I'm GonNa put you up in an apartment because this is unacceptable. What I keep thinking about is that her experience of adulthood lasts for like five weeks? Yeah she's out out of her parents house for five weeks. His David Lebron's house right and then she goes into okays house like House that okay they makes buys for her and also depending on him financially very quickly to yeah yeah because she immediately stops working you know. Probably she doesn't feel like it because he's rich and he's taking care of her but I'm sure he also isn't you know he's perfectly fine with her. Not Being on display two other men right right. She only had five weeks and then the rest of her life is dominated by this force and then the rest of her life belongs to him. Yeah I'M GONNA go ahead in time. A little and radio exit from Marcia Clark's memoir without a doubt. ooh Okay where she talks about going. Oj Simpson's house immediately following the murder and looking at photos of Nicole and first of all. I want to tell you that she mentions a Lotta pictures. Here's of okay with quote various white fat cats and the first time I read that for several seconds several wonderful seconds. I thought at a lot of pictures of himself. We've like fat white cats just him in large globs of for just primly following that. She lives at figures Nicole lying. She's also like it's very interesting that these people who are divorced and this man who maintains it he's completely moved on Has All these pictures of of his ex wife and his house. Marsha says of the pictures of Nicole. She was blind with handsome almost managed features her hair teeth and scan all had gloss peculiar to the West sidedly and some of the photo she was with a pair of lovely Brown skinned children. A boy and a girl they all were ski attire. Her face was difficult to read. Read the expression and all the photos uniformly happy but her eyes were glazed. She had. How would you describe it a thousand yard stare? Wow I mean that's the aloofness in is again right this. She doesn't seem present in any of the photos of herself. And I didn't realize until I read that but I was like. Yeah they do have that quality Dumping ahead in December of nineteen before the district attorney gets a call from Nicole's bang saying that she had been renting a safe deposit box that her father was trying to get into and so some. Da Investigators go down and drill it and Marsha rates the contents for more disturbing to me than anything I have seen to date. There were three polaroid pictures as of Nicole. The I looked like it was taken when she was very young early in her relationship with Samson when she was still a teenager. Her hair was wrapped up in a towel her I was black blackened. Her face puffed up and reddened. Well the box also contains several letters one written by cold okay very early in their relationship complaining that he neglected her. They were three others from him him to her apologizing for having abused her taking responsibility for having gone crazy implicitly acknowledged in one of those ladders the fact that he beat her because she refused to have sex with him. mm-hmm Jesus why would a woman keep those things in a locked box. There was only one explanation even if she was trying to break free of okay. Part of Nicole accepted that she would never really escape that that Okay Simpson might murder her. The message in the box was clear in the event of my death. Look for this guy. I kept looking back to her is she was so young at the time. Those pictures were taken that her is still reflected authentic emotion. I compare the photos mentally to those hanging by the stairs at Rockingham a decade or more had passed between those two shots. The pain in her eyes had gelled into a glassy deadened. Stare seventeen years of denying terror and clinging to hope only to have that hope destroyed time and again in the time leading up to her death she abdicated her well and Jesus many people that she was afraid that okay would kill her and got away with it because he got his way out of these pictures indicate that the abuse started very early and was like very severe early on on her nineteenth birthday. She's staying at her parents aunt's house. This is a year after she had gotten together he he is just possibly been physically violent with her for the first time ever and given her lack I and to apologize he has a brand new porsche with the big bow on it. Delivered to her parents house. has anyone given anyone else a car with a bow on it like not to apologize for something that seems like that move seems tailor-made for like I did something that like. I really need to cover it up right. It's not like I'm GonNa buy you a ticket to a matinee. I really fucked up if I'm giving you the Porsche with what the bow on it. The best part or the worst part worst is that this is how Nicole's dad finds out that she shared dating because she's been keeping secret read from him for this whole year because he's according to the sources Sheila Weller talks to a little bit racist. Kripke sees the Porsche and according to Denise Brown Nicole older sister she says. I think my father's reaction was well. I guess if it's going to be a black guy glad that someone who's not a bum. Holy Shit I know. He thought that because that's how he thinks. Oh my God. I mean the intersection of race and class is really interesting. It's like I will put aside my negative prejudice of black people goal if you suit my positive prejudice of rich people Yeah and also that this gift that this extravagant gift that he has gotten her to apologize for assaulting her is what proves to her racists dad that he's solvent and therefore responsible enough to be her point slash husband. Jesus there's an anecdote at the at the start of Sheila. Weller is book and one of the things that Marcia Clark also talks about a lot in her book doc and has really struck by a she gets to know. The Brown family is that it's not that they didn't know that. OJ Was a controlling husband or and in a very angry husband or even a violent husband at times but they. They didn't really see it as violence. They didn't really see it as abuse one of the things that Oj you did. That became like a joke and the Brown family was that when he was raging. It Nicole but wasn't necessarily physically violent he would. She had a wall of photos. This like family photos and he would throw them down the stairs. Throw them on the floor. Throw them out on the yard and you know the break the glass and she would go and take them have them repaired and hang the back up again and has happened so many times that it would okay. Does he's blowing off steam. He's they'll my God is and so- Nicole's mom said later that she would say you know like if is okay angry at you and therefore the family family is my portrait on the line again. Oh my God. It was something that they talked about and they didn't take it very seriously. Which I think is pretty common? Yeah I mean I guess if anything thing happens enough times it's just like. Ll gotta go to bartels again like it just becomes normalized. I guess and there's other stuff that she actively conceals a time when one one of Nicole's friends comes over and wants to see her and Oj's like no she can't come down. He's not feeling well she doesn't want to see anybody and much later. Earn after she noaa separate Nicole's like he. I couldn't come down that day because I was out of makeup to cover up the bruises on my face be seen by anybody. Anybody surprised that degree of abuse on the marriage. No it just always like the specifics of these things are always so sort of like the every every day at AP- patients that people make to these extreme situations are always the most tragic somehow right that it has become normal. And it's something that you just have to cope cope with the extreme and violent and intolerable nature of it becomes hidden somehow after like. Oh no I gotta get some more makeup. Yeah it just becomes like another errand that you have to run somehow. Yeah it's really Dr Think. Oh and then later on. He apologize by giving her a Ferrari. Oh fuck so. As gets worse. The parents got better. Yeah and the jury what's more expensive. So yeah it it begins early and then I'm going to trump. Well let me let me ask before I go as what like what do you think so far. She's like the the perfect victim of abuse almost like the perfect vulnerable person to this sort of behavior because he doesn't have any other support systems in place is that she doesn't have like a group of friends that can be like. Hey this guy really seems like bad news or her own money to just move away move to Fresno and the away from him like she. She doesn't have any other options she also because she's so young she doesn't know how like adult life works that she wouldn't know what sort of what one does in these situations and like what the signs to look for all right. Well I mean think about how much confirmation bias any man gets and domestic abuse claim. You know it's like women are not listened to very mark in this arena if they if they make claims or file charges against anyone correct and then think about it being. OJ Simpson right you know. And one of the things that various observers talk about later is that like even the cops who investigated investigated him immediately after his wife's murder were like very sweet and deferential him Oh yeah having the circumstances you know Oh that they were star struck around him. I'm sure it would agree right. And also because they didn't WanNa fuck things up with a celebrity who was like rich and powerful and can screw up their actuation. Because it's power power you know if you investigate a powerful person like you need to be on your best behavior. Unlike the other times right right so yeah so what are the first couple years of their courtship like because they don't get married for a while right yeah they don't get married until nineteen eighty five okay so there's seven years when they're dating. I did that math wrong. There's there's there's eight years when they're okay so they meet in June and July of nineteen eighteen seventy seven shortly after his thirtieth birthday. Okay goes to Buffalo Bills Training Camp and come sally the next month for the birth his his toddler with Marguerite who is still married to. Oh Wow okay big summer for okay. Yeah and then in September Nicole flies to buffalo to be with him and her sister denise flies in and they both cozy Oj and a game and it's a beautiful day and there's there's an Sheila Weller Book along quote from the Simpson's friend. Mike Melillo who talks about. OJ running out of the field of the women are watching and he says as he came running out he looked up. Winkler says Melillo. She was amazed she couldn't believe he could even see her. Then the game started and what a game. He ran over two hundred yards and scored two touchdowns and don't forget he was thirty. He was talking about retiring for a year. I knew what was happening. The Guy was in love. I turned to her and hugged her. Little and said those touchdowns were for you. He's doing this for you Nicole. She said really oh it was great so incredibly pure and then the the weighed in east picks up the story is the Oj you know. He plays this amazing game. He's like he's showing this woman whose heart he has captured in spectacular fashion. This thing that he's great at you know. She's like amazed and happy and dazzled. You know and then after the game he happens to look up and as she kisses Mike military low on aww chic and that night he loses his goddamn mind And he screams at her and berates her and she cries to Denise love like why. Why did he do this to me like why is he ella me like this? And it's like crying upset. And then they go all out they all go out and have a good time and they move on you know his life. That's what you do right. You're like sky. And he's great most of the time. Yeah and some of the time he gets gets randomly like really jealous right but like we have this amazing connection. I'm like head over heels in love with him. Everyone says like there was a love connection there and there was a sexual connection there and they were like very much in love when they met and furlong time after and when things worked they really worked but then increasingly you know they didn't and I think there's something that happens in any relationship where you get put on a pedestal right right because the way Nicole talked about it later was that. OJ had moulded her and decided to she would become and she didn't even know who she was because he had grown up in accordance with although case wishes and made herself who he wanted her to be so she was like. I don't know who I am like. She had breast implants because he wanted her to get them. Yeah and Dan and she made choices that he approved of. It always feels like there's this thing of like there's this form of I don't know if it's misogyny just people being bad doing in their own feelings but the extent to which your quote unquote in love with somebody. But it's more like uninformed with their physical beauty and you never really see them as three three dimensional people. It seems like a pattern like anecdotally a lot of passion ships that it's like you sort of become enamored with them. You're like she's so beautiful. She's so amazing but then like when anything about her as a person starts to come up like chur families kind of complicated and like maybe she has health issues like maybe she has mental health stuff like all all these messy complications that come with every single human being. It's like there's almost like this anger of like no no. You're supposed to be my trophy. You're supposed to one dimensional perfect figure in my life and like you're making it hard and I'm supposed to be able to shape you. Yeah Yeah Yeah if you define yourself as having any particular preference that hasn't been dictated to you know that can the threatening. I think another thing that happens in abusive relationship says that if someone is like you know I I'm just GonNa Yell at you and then I'm GonNa psychologically kicked control you and then I'm going to physically abuse and intimidate you as my real world control of you gets worse and I don't feel better like I. You have to keep being more and more controlling and more and more scary to you because hopefully like if I get you like another step under my control then I'll feel better matter that all feel powerful then I'll feel complete right but you never got them because why Bryce this esscalation is there like a honeymoon period or is it just already like conflict immediately around the time of the portion student. Nicole shows up at her parents house and is like I am through with him. I'm done fuck him and Oj's San Francisco at the time because he was seeing other women and they ought to fight about it and he apparently called her and said quote. If you don't get back up here I'm going to get another girlfriend. In fact the shut cut out of her. Thank God outright. Nicole got in her car and drove up to San Francisco really. Yeah Jesus. That's sucks so he also starts cheating on her her pretty early right. I mean I guess if he's sitting there obviously and women are like walking by like. Hey Okay like obviously that happens sometimes but it also like he talks about this in the playboy interview like when he was growing up he would like proposition any woman any time you know like he especially hit on Women who oh he knew to be taken because he kinda like challenge like this is one of the ways that he shows himself who he is is by picking up women women as conquest. Yeah and throw their relationship Nicole from the beginning was like please stop. Like couldn't please be faithful to me. And he they went through so many phases of this of like no. I don't need to. You have no right to tell me to stop. Yes I will. Everything will change. You know what you don't know doesn't hurt you like all all of the different approaches to cheating on your wife your girlfriend but the coin is paid. This went on for for fifteen years. This is just next level shit because we all know that if she was cheating on him he would lose his mind right the the kiss on the cheek. He loses his mind. Oh yeah and and throughout again this is the thing like he needs to be free to at any time not neither snow or rain or dark of night. We'll we'll keep him from fucking anyone he feels like but Nicole cannot kiss someone on the cheek when he's looking barrels. He has licensed to to do whatever he feels like. Because it's all about him and it's and it's all about his sense of ownership. Yeah so toward the end of her life. Nicole said about okay. He doesn't love me. He's obsessed with me. ooh and that's the exact phrase that dominy done used in a letter that she wrote to her boyfriend right before he murdered her. How Dominic Dunn was the daughter of Dominic Dunn writer for Vanity Fair? Who wrote about the trial trial of Dominique's boyfriend who was convicted of killing her? And who would go on to cover the O.. J. Simpson trial for Vanity Fair Paris. or He's going to be someone that will see more of later but I want to read you some of Dominique's letter to her boyfriend. John Sweeney. Because I I feel like it's it's like a piece of literature about controlling behavior and like this kind of possessive abuse. Basically and so she wrote we have to be to individuals else to work as a couple. I am not permitted to do things on my own. Why must you be a part of everything I do? Why do you want to come to my writing lessons and my acting classes? Why are you jealous of every scene? Gene partner I have. Why must we count word for word? Everything I spoke to Dr Black about. Why must talk about every audition when you know? It is bad luck for me. Why do we have discussions three? Am All the time instead of during the day. Why must you know the name of every person I've come into contact with you? Go crazy over my rehearsals. He insists on going to work with me. When I have told you it makes me nervous? Service your paranoia is overboard you do not love me. You are obsessed with me. The person you think he'll love is not me at all. It is someone you have made up in your head. I'm the person percent who makes you angry. Who fight with? Sometimes I think we only fight when images of me fade away and you are faced with the real me. That's why arguments erupt out of nowhere. I mean meets. This stuff is hard because like jealous husbands boyfriends are such fucking cliches. It's like every it's like every boring in fucking throat you've seen like seven hundred fifty movies by this point right. It's like we've seen all the troves by now. Yeah it's just so there's something so generic about people that act like this mall because we there's a lot of Hollywood movies like you know my favorite movie enough starring Jennifer Lopez. Yeah where it's like a villainous husband who's Casale cranked up to a degree that like maybe like mildly controlling American men can look at that be like I'm not that guy you know so like maybe we have like a lot of over the top husband villains to remind the normal husbands that its biggest lately collude with a patriarchal and I'm just sitting here in my closet next to my it's also at this point in the relationship like like their friends see her and many people who knew them describe her after her death has like someone who like gave as good as she got there like you know Nicole knew how to push buttons and like she would like make fun of him and be like Oh fuck off you know or like taunt him for like being a bad actor or or like slap him or whatever his leg she wasn't totally passive masses the point I feel like people vo make that point with this implied argument of like so you see it's kind of understandable yeah that he locked her in their wine cellar for hours and hours one rhyme and so on it's like no no it's whenever you say things like that it always feels like you're you're leading toward a conclusion bright it's like the no college degree the and breast implants thing it's like I'm stating facts about to come to an argument but like I don't actually want to state the actual argument I'm making by listing those facts I do think it's it's worth thinking about the fact that living in abusive relationship affects people in lots of ways and some of them are the way they affect the way that they act in those relationships and like I think people are complicated and people cope with these situations differently and that's not an argument that like of course he killed her like she was sometimes snippy like that's clearly earthy not the clearly like what man could withstand a woman being snippy to have you know putting up a fight about him I'm cheating on her continually right now it's like oh I I don't know Senator Dole has been living with OJ. She's been living either in an apartment that he paid for for her or with him for her entire adult life. And there's a conversation. She has one day with her friend. Linda Shulman who's like are you concerned about the fact that okay Jay is like starting to collect guns God or that. He has got an Uzi as a gift and Linda recalls Nicole saying will okay said he would kill me if I left him or if I cheated on him Jesus and then she tells her about. OJ feeding her with a wine bottle and it is also before they got married that he because he feels this. She embraced him in front of Frank. Sinatra locks her out of their hotel room she's in her underwear. She's out there in the hall. Oh God all night and this says again like a story that she kinda tells like. Oh I got locked out. It's one and the end of every romantic comedy were the man. Does something really obsessive and problematic. But we all tell ourselves that. It's like a declaration of love like John Cusack that the fucking boombox which is like an objectively insane thing to do and unlikely really bad to do to somebody else after they've told you they don't WanNa see you but because it's like a romantic movie we've spent two decades being like what a cute the thing that he did. Yeah it's true. We really have normal society of like well the grand romantic gestures something you do probably after you fucked up. Yeah yeah if they say no they'll look like an asshole. Yeah exactly and Nicole really wants to get married and OJ's like I've already been married but she also you know her friends are starting to you have kids. She really wants to have a baby and she also feels that if okay Mary's her he won't cheat on her anymore. Oh Man oh Speedy one of the other things Denise Tells Sheila Weller is that he invited three you women he'd had affairs with one of his birthday parties and they all showed up. Oh my God and so. It's like it makes sense that you would hold onto this magical thinking of like maybe once we're married he'll respect that right and to be fair he's eventually is like yes. Yes Jeff Gas when we got married it'll be different got. It's like Briggs it. Yeah and it's like phase one collect underpants to phase three cricket. Okay so let's wrap up. We're going to wrap up with the wedding okay. Day so but Nicole gets increasingly pissed off about OJ seeing other women and also like kind of doing it in her face. Oh Yeah so one day. She's driving arriving through Beverly Hills and she passes okay on the street being affectionate with a lady no way she just drives passes season with another woman she sees sees them on the hall and she had like the Simul list of like the license plate numbers of women who he had been cheating on her with or suspected different cheating on her website. He says this is becoming kind of it was taking up a lot of her life and also being in a relationship with somebody who constantly cheated on. You would make you kind of a paranoid Weirdo. Like having license plates of a bunch of other women is kind of weird behavior but it's also completely justified right like yeah and I'll say she has been surveilled for years this exactly. Yeah Yeah. It's this ratcheting up of mutual surveillance like yours. Surveillance of him is justified. Fight in his surveillance of you is not. Yeah so she sees on the street with this other woman dries up and start screaming at him and then drives off off and goes to her friends. The SHULMAN's house and is like I'm done. It's over like I don't even want to go back home. Can I stay at your house summerlike. He yes yes please do. And they're like you know what this is great like. Please don't marry him please. Don't yeah flake this is great. Good instinct and the next morning. OJ comes over and Nicole says not let him in and lender who has seen some of the damage that Oj has done to the family photos. Nicole has says I think we need to let him out inner else. Who's going to break the door down? So they let him in. He goes in and talks to her and he asks her to marry him A Go shopping and buy diamond plow. So it's kind of like him. I'm trying to get out of the Doghouse for like one. Yeah it is against. It's like he's already given her a porsche you know. He's given her all this other stuff. You have to also keep upping the ante and the way that you apologize and Nicole is like willing to accept unwilling to accept this as like yes like I'm committing to be different like things will be different my heart it is and I will change and what what Linda Schulman says to Sheila Weller as Nicole comes back as ring and his excited and says but look how it had to happen happen. Yeah God the worst thing I've ever done in that situation is go. See the Eurovision Song contest. So we'll leave it there and we're going to cover the rest of their relationship and par two but before we go. Can I just ask you one last question. What is your just sort of narrative of why he killed her like? Do you like in your head. What do you think actually happened? I think that he believed that she was really I don with him. Yeah and I think that she was really Kinda got away. And that's what did it was like the feeling of permanence. Hypothetically the you know as I think through everything that I do and don't know when I think about you know if I imagine myself in what I am action okay. State of mind was at at that time if I imagine what it would have done to him to see her seeming like she was really actually ready to move on this woman who who had been his entire our life since football was his entire life. What was his entire life GonNa be now? I'll say this too. I think that it was only when I started concentrating on the domestic violence aspect of the relationship that the murder was something I could see and a narrative that I I can see building her to murder because if you see it as like he was her ex husband and they had a tempestuous relationship and then maybe he killed her. You're like okay. I can see that happening or not happening. But if you follow the breakdown of both of the relationship in the end of the marriage and then their attempts at reconciliation and then literally the last weeks weeks and days of her life you can see how it built for him and Yeah that's what we're GONNA talk about next time. Okay I'M NOT GONNA lie it's GonNa be rough okay like we've gotten through some really some hard stuff and we're GonNa get through some harder stuff next time harder stuff but I hope you come with us the yes not in a car that somebody gave you wrapped in a bow

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Revisiting the "Trial of the Century" in Confronting: O.J. Simpson

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Revisiting the "Trial of the Century" in Confronting: O.J. Simpson

"In your mind, you probably have a pretty good idea of who. J Simpson is NFL superstar accused killer convicted robber and kidnapper, and obviously, the OJ Simpson murder trial is one of the most public legal battles in American history, the horrendous crime and courtroom drama that followed it captivated the media, and the public the trial is still debated discussed and depicted in the media to this day. But what happened to the people who this trial affected most the new podcast confronting OJ Simpson looks to answer that question host Kim Goldman sister of murder victim. Ron Goldman digs deep into the vicious crime, that changed her life and many others forever in this ten part series. Kim takes you on a journey as she reclaims and reflects on the part of her life that was changed permanently. She sits down with prosecutors investigators and witnesses who never got to speak and. Jurors who voted not guilty? It's a new and intimate. Look a crime that still sticks with us to this day. Here's a preview of confronting OJ Simpson while you're listening go subscribe to confronting OJ Simpson on apple podcasts Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. OJ Simpson was born in San Francisco, until I nine nine hundred forty seven my brother, Ronald Lyle, Goldman was born in Chicago suburb on July second nineteen sixty eight otas parents separated when he was five he was raised by his mother, our parents, divorced when Ron was six, we were raised by our father. Fred as a teenager OJ got into trouble, but turned his life around through football as a teenager, Ron spent summers as a camp counselor, and played literally baseball OJ was recruited by USC one Heisman Trophy and was the number one NFL draft pick in nineteen sixty nine he went on to have a hall of fame career. Ron attended college for a semester in Illinois before we all moved to Los Angeles after retirement. OJ worked as a sports commentator, and actor and spokesperson Ron worked as a recruiter a tennis coach and a waiter, Ron. Plan to open his own restaurant and bar on June twelfth nineteen ninety four O J attended his daughter's dance recital with his ex wife, Nicole and her family. They went to dinner at Mezzaluna restaurant to celebrate OJ wasn't invited. On June twelfth nineteen Ninety-four Ron was working as a waiter, a Meslin restaurant, his shift ended, and he headed to Nicole's house to return a pair of sunglasses that night, the two men cross paths at the home of Nicole Brown Simpson, what happened next altered families changed lives and reset American culture. Forever. This is confronting OJ Simpson. I'm your host Kim. Goldman. This podcast is about confronting the last twenty five years of my life, about my brother's murder, and the trial, and everything that came with that. And I know that it's going to be painful for me. So I want to make sure that I've got someone walking this journey with me that I can trust. And I can rely on and Nancy glass, was the perfect choice because she was journalist at the time of my brother's murder trial. And I figured she would just she would get it. I think a lot of people don't know that you and your brother were unusually close, and you also both were unusually close with your dad. My birth mom left, when my brother and I were three and a half and six she, I guess, didn't want to be a mom, and my dad didn't want to not be dead. And it was just my dad Ron and I growing up, we were the three musketeers we just stuck together like glue. My brother was my best friend. And he was my protector, when we had a horrible car extent. My brother was the one that pulled me from the car that sat with me until the ambulance came sat with me in the hospital and you almost died and you went blind for a while. Yeah. And there was, my brother hold, my hand and cracking jokes and still trying to keep me a beat and positive we were just two peas in a pod. My dad's pretty amazing and he created an amazing relationship to my brother and I and you mother abandon you. She was pretty absent for majority of our upbringing. I probably went after having wanting to have a relationship with her more than my brother. Did he wanted to keep her in his mind at a certain age, because that was the most positive memory that he had of her on the one that kept going back she showed up periodically to tell me I was worthless, basically. And then she showed up on my brother died. Did she offer you any comfort? No, she called me a bitch while we were in court. Yeah, how there's no comfort there. You know, this is the one of those things that I feel the bitter sweet about my brother's case being so public with. That people get to know these two amazing guys that raised me. And my dad is exactly how people have seen him and how people have met him and grew to know him over the last twenty five years full of passion, and dedication, and love, and this level of fierceness, and commitment to his family. That's there's no, there's no lie there. And that Bush that daddy Moshe pure love first family, we're going to get to know him a little bit in the one person, we aren't going to get to talk to his Ron. Autopsy report nine four dash zero five one three five. An autopsy on the body of Goldman. Ronald external examination the body is that of a well developed well nourished Caucasian? Male stated to be twenty five years old. The body weighs one hundred seventy one pounds measuring sixty nine inches from crown to Seoul. The heroin scou- is Brown and straight. The irises appear Hazel with the people's fixed, and dilated. Have you ever watched the news heard about some violent crime, and then suddenly realized that they're talking about your family? I have. Ron, and Nicole were killed on June twelfth and the news broke on June thirteenth. You were in your car, most of the day, driving for work. I heard a lot on the news all day long about the coal Brown murdered with a another person. I walked in the house. Still gets me. A walked in the house, Patty yelled out. Fred, fred. There's someone on the phone something about Ron. And. The phone. And they said, this is the LA coroner's office. And I said, why would you be calling me? And she said. Did you hear on the news today about the coal Brown ping murder? I so what does that? So what does it have to do with me? And she said. Your son was the other victim. Crazy. I want crazy. And I said, what are you talking about? How do you know? I walked over to the Petiot door and I looked out into the backyard. And I just found myself staring and screaming at the same time. That I realized that the next thing to do is contact you. That was the second than most gut wrenching moment of life. 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Carl Douglas

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44:42 min | 2 months ago

Carl Douglas

"Many of you here have delighted like we have in listening to Carl Douglas Talk. We were fascinated by him. In the OJ Simpson documentary that one espn an Oscar and since he's become sort of lawyer for the show, great talker obviously heard him recently be very strong on the subject of race. His history with civil rights and law go way back, and so what I wanted to talk to him about is sort of his career. Because it's an interesting one, he's been part of the strongest black law firm in the history of this country. One could argue and so I just. Just wanted to talk to him about that. And representing OJ Simpson and representing Michael Jackson, so we will do that in a moment, but first I want to tell you that south beach session sponsored by Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter. You know is the smartest way to hire Thanks to Ziprecruiter for supporting everything here at Lebatardshow infringe checkout, stupidity, checkout, mystery crate Rate Subscribe Review Sarahspain. Meena Crimes Marty Smith, all parts of the Libertad and friends network, a Carl Douglas has become a friend of the show. Let's include him in on Lebatardshow friends and learn a little bit about his career. Carl Douglas, we discovered him like many of you. In the OJ Simpson documentary that is one of the finest pieces of television I ever seen, and he was almost the star of it. You can't really say he's The star. Because I guess OJ Simpson was the star, but his stories were so good and so rich and weirdly honest for a lawyer that I really enjoyed talking to him and so now I just want to talk to him. Him about other stories because he's a great storyteller, and because he doesn't mind you sort of giving you the truth behind some of what it is that he's experienced, so thank you for being on with us and I'm just going to get right to the questions. I want to hear about the night that Michael Jackson and Simpson were both calling you at the same time because they needed legal advice. Yes, December, twenty, seven, nineteen, ninety four. The trial of the century was about to start in January for some. We had taken two weeks off for Christmas holidays after picking a jury and we're GONNA start with. Heavy DNA testimony in January, so all the lawyers were, hunker down and get ready for the trial of the century for some reason Robert Shapiro and his family went to Hawaii. For those two weeks, and he checked into a hotel under an alias like Tony. Milo or something like that. And there was then behind. No one could understand how he could go on vacation during the most important two weeks before the trial that while we would learn a lot after that about just the spawning Kardashians. They live in a totally different world arrest this human being yes, that's extraordinarily bad legal judgment, but this was the guy that OJ. OJ trusted right correct. What's so there was a decision made announced to me that Johnny was gonNA become the lead lawyer. You GotTa understand that Bob. Shapiro had never really tried a murder case before Oj, Simpson so these he was commanding. It was a general commanding others into the war, but he had never been in a war before himself. Well, let's just say what it is right. He's totally overmatched as an attorney. He's the rich guy that OJ. Knows that he knows. Do I. Have it wrong. My factually wrong. You're saying that, not me. Dan was Hollywood fixer. Marlon Brando's lawyer Don amount of a deep on a good deal, but he wasn't known for being a trial lawyer, but Johnny was so December twenty seven I got a call from Oj Simpson, and he told me that he wanted me to become the coordinator of the team. that. He was going to be making a change and that Johnny was GonNa. Be The league lawyer. We all knew man. It was going to happen sooner or later, but that was the official change. Later that night. We also represent a Michael Jackson then and you gotta understand. Michael was really really paranoid and whenever Michael would call he would I use a disguised voice. Lowest Carl there. And I think yes, this is Carl. He didn't awhile. I did not know he could do a deep voice, so he was calling in disguise, he would actually call in disguise. And when you said you were, he would then change his voice. He would make me go to the very back of my house in the laundry room to the bathroom and close the door and talk with him, then even though my wife was in the far end sleeping and my five year old son was in the bit. But I had to go through my laundry room to my back bathroom and talk with him on the phone and that same day he talked with with me about his case so I was only the second person on earth. Being Johnny Cochran. Who had OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson both talking to them that same night about their case, Bro I could not sleep that entire nights. I'm wondering. How do you find? What's the back story on how you find yourself? I mean this is an uncommon path. Right? The idea that somebody in the mid nineties could go through everything America had gone through and become a black attorney, talking to Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson on the same night that to you in terms of celebrity star power like what's the path that leads to you ending up there because it's improbable, correct what people who are not? Not from Los Angeles a don't understand is Johnny Cochran was always as famous in Los Angeles before Oj, as he became nationwide after Oj when Michael Jackson I got in his problems with the first young kid, he called on Johnny Cochran when he was in Mexico. Not Knowing whether there were charges against him, because Johnny was just the man and Johnny Audio Garcetti. They were personal friends and found out there were no charges pending against Michael, and then Johnny Elizabeth Taylor's airplanes fly down to Mexico and debris Michael Jackson back from Mexico. It's funny Dan because we had to ask for my permission to represent OJ Simpson. Because Michael was our client I. And Michael was very much the brother all he needs help help out. But. We've I wanted to make sure that Michael was cool with are coming on the O.. J. Simpson, Chase What is your back story like? How do you end up and explained to me? Go back to your teenage years and explained to me how you arrive there and how improbable that path is okay, so Johnny Cochran. I'm raised from Los Angeles lives. I was to Johnny, was always the man or black Los Angeles because he represented people who were victimized by police. Came back to La after going to college at northwestern Chicago. Law Schools UC Berkeley and Berkeley and I came back to La and worked at the federal public defender's office for five years, representing people that are charged with federal crimes. Then Los Angeles was the bank robbery capital of the world, three ways and bates were on every corner. They did not have the PLEXIGLAS and the eighties. Eighty percent of the FBI was on bank robbery detail in the mid eighties. When I was there I was there for five. Five years one of my best buddies told me that Johnny Cochran of looking for a lawyer and I was someone come in and try case I can try a criminal case. And because Johnny had a criminal background, he knew I could try a civil case, and so I had that combination of US criminal background and a civil background that made it right for Michael. Jackson, and for O. J. Simpson. Could you talk to Johnny Cochran Away? A lot of the other attorneys there wouldn't dare talk to Johnny Cochran. Vote for better or for worse, I was one who always Dave Truth Dan I tell every client today that I have a condition. I suffer from terminal honesty. I will tell them what I think. Even if they may not wanna hear it man, because that's just the way I am I got a story I remember. It was in the post. OJ Simpson. Johnny Cochran was the biggest man on earth, and he was wearing a to pay for the bald spots in the center back of his head. We in the office knew it was a to pay, and it looks stupid. But. Everyone was afraid to tell Johnny dig that shit off your head. So. I gather with the staff. Is that I'M GONNA? Tell them and they said No. You will know you and I walked into his office I was the manager that first among equals of his staff. He was the lone partner in the law office of Johnny Cochran, Jr. but I was the managing lower than the firm, and I sat with them Johnny. Take that shit out your hair. It looks stupid. You are young as it is, and you don't need that. Shouldn't you're here? Because? Then? When he walked through the office, the incandescent lights shone differently in the two brave man, and it looks stupid, and I could not have Johnny Cochran my icon. My hero be made to look as stupid as it was, and it might have been maybe a week or two weeks or maybe a month. He kept that in, but because the me, he got out. Eventually. Do and he did thank you, so how about in that moment? Because that had to be a little bit jarring to hear because you reach a certain point in success Karl where people absolutely do not tell you the truth, they they. They'll let you look ridiculous because you've acquired so much success that people get afraid to tell you the real stuff. Perhaps that's who I am as a person Dan, but it reflects my love and respect for Johnny, Cochran one thing I can say about Johnny Cochran. Twelve years man and Johnny respected you one. If you can make a payroll and two, if you could try a case every year, I was there, I lost at least one case every year, and never once did. He criticized me for having lost the case because he knew you can't get a home run unless you're up there swinging the Batman, so it was my love of him. That may need tell him that. She was still been explained to me. They'll how he became an icon for you because. I don't know that the audience at large. This was a long time ago I. Don't know that the audience at large understands what Johnny Cochran was as a symbol. That is the value I think as a civil rights lawyer from Los Angeles of that Fabulous Oscar Award winning documentary, because the first four hours were nothing about. But it gave you some context of the historical connection between the American community, and the LAPD here and now one Dan can ever appreciate how the OJ Simpson verdict was. Without understanding that context and from young twenty seven year old lawyer. Family representing, you'll love back in the early eighties. Johnny became a symbol of the fight. Against All that was wrong in Los Angeles when you hear about the problems of black and Brown people and the police nationwide man. We were Ground Zero in Los Angeles for my entire life, so johnny was always the icon and the ball worked for that, which would brought the love of black and Brown people in Los Angeles? Is it fair to say that Johnny? Cochran was akin because? Because of the specific work that he was doing and shining light on that, he was essentially Al Sharpton that he was Jesse Jackson that he was park. Religious leader part legal leader part civil rights leader that he was. I mean I don't mean to turn him into a saint, because everybody is a little bit flawed, but you're talking about one of the great black leaders of all time. and. I, you do a disservice to him by comparing him to Jesse. Jackson and Al Sharpton Icee, so should I go to Martin Luther King should I go like honestly given the work that he was doing given that he's doing in the court system given that he's fighting an unjust systemic problem that not a lot of people outside of Los Angeles knew about who weren't black, and what's more, he was more than simply a civil rights icon and leader in the black community, because he joined the District Attorney's Office Win John Van De Kamp, was the DA and he was the number three man for? For three years in the District Attorney's office and while there he created the DA rollout unit were lawyers district attorney were sent on rollout to any and every officer involved shooting that was in nineteen, eighty, one, that was a ground-breaking then, and that still goes on today now across the country whenever there is an officer involved shooting. You're gonNA, have a district attorney. There somewhere close. It's GonNa. Be a whitewash. They're not gonNA find anything to charge the cops with a crime, but at least they're gonna be there and the cops know that they are there and that's something that he started erase. Of His commitment to the ideals of civil rights, and and and the plight of black and Brown people in Los Angeles and the world. Man Why do I do a disservice to him by comparing him putting him in the? Because, those were the famous black leaders of the time whether or not, they did what black folks wanted them doing whether they were good. Leaders are not as another is another matter. But why am I doing a disservice when I compare Johnny Cochran two of the most famous black leaders and civil rights that they've been. I know their history perhaps more than you or some of your listeners, and because of their history I take their. GRAVITAS in a greater context and they are not the the iconic black leaders that many may say because I know their history I appreciate what they've done. And their contribution to the SPROGOE, but their weaknesses to me overshadow my praise for their enlightenment. So did you see along the path? It go to Johnny's head. Did you see because there are certain inevitability to success and I gotta think that at. At some point, the ego ran amok there well, he always had a big ego bre Johnny Cochran live in Los, feeless, which was the exclusive white community in the seventies when nobody in black was doing it Johnny Cochran a drove a Rolls Royce in early seventies when nobody had rolls royces okay I remember after the trial within a month, we were in Miami at the Miami airport going to meet. This kid in in jail federal prison in Miami and Johnny got off the plane wearing a purple jacket walking down the center of the aisle in the Miami. Air Board a week after the verdict I this day back that one voice cell phones where? He was revelling walking bell. Now our way, no one who. The most dangerous place to be in America is between a trial lawyer and a camera. That's working less there being no now. We have massive egos man. His Swag specifically made him different for the time because the things that you're talking about their. Thick, they could not have been very common in fact I can see now where and how it is, you'd be attracted to somebody. who was that kind of showman? Johnny Cochran went to Los Angeles High School in the sixties before it was integrated. With Dustin Hoffman, he was, he went to Ucla and was a star on the court quarterback on the football team before it was fashionable, so he was always a bed of the curve man. I'm telling for him to be living Los. Angeles in the seventies and the black lawyer was so out of bounds. Lack lawyers then lived in Baldwin hills or Ladera. Heights other portions Nebraska Beverly Hills, win venture out to the hills of those feelers for him to be driving a Rolls Royce in the early Seventies. Okay, it was like the parade going through town and Johnny had this rare ability to connect with kings and poppers alike. He could go to a fancy restaurant and he go to knock us a little hole in the wall, an incompetent and eat hamburgers than have the juicer off his lips. When you say that it was inevitable that Johnny, Cochran was going to take over the Oj Simpson case. Are you saying because his merits meredith it so much more than any of the other lawyers? Are you saying that a percentage of that is because it became obvious very early that this needed to be represented by black people, because this was going to become a trial about race, or are you saying it's a mixture of the two or neither? It's a one. It became apparent as we were preparing for trial that Shapiro was behind the curve. We might have had met. I had eight or nine notebooks of reports and interviews and things, and you can tell in the meetings by asking questions where you were. And, we knew Shapiro with not up to speed. There were nine lawyers working at some point or other on on the case, all nine of US knew who the trial lawyer words. and Johnny had such charisma and such skill that it was clear he was gonna be the leader. There was not any dispute of the change when Oj chose to make the change, and it was OJ's choice. Is it at that moment that the realization dawns on everyone? Oh, this is going to be a trial about race. It's going to be large and symbolic. Or did that happen later? Did the decision on how it is to go about the defense happen later than Dan as as was reflected documentary, Shapiro had the thing about furman and raced before Johnny was ever in the case, and that's the irony man, because the DA's knew about about firms issues with race. Before we ever came in the case, and that for better or for worse, fixed the defense, you could not rightly do. Do a proper defense given that credit from the eighties where he said I was so angry at black people that I will beat them up. I want to the beliefs force. That was monitoring Evan, so you could not possibly allow that to go silent, so that stormed the defense from the very beginning, and so, how did you end up helping in? What ways did you end up helping Michael Jackson as you're going into. Your back room and he's paranoid. You gotTA. You gotTA. Have some amazing stories about how unusual. Cast Man I was really the first young African American professional that ever was around Michael Jackson, most of his advisors were Anglo and they were there, and when he brought Johnny Cochran on that was unique and unusual for him, because I was I had a unique perspective of both criminal and Civil Johnny brought me to handle the late in his case and I was. Was? Michael Jackson's lawyer off and on for ten years even after I left. Janis firm I would still advise. Michael Jackson I was involved. You remember there was a time when he was in trial in Santa Maria, and he on top of a van astor the court, and had an umbrella dancing on top of the van. I had a meeting with him after that. Michael Are you crazy? What are you doing on some van? You can't do that stuff. And because we were closed, I would like five or six years old and Michael, but we were close in age and I was my honest self. He was always surrounded by sycophants that did not want to slay the goose laying the golden egg. Oh, but he's such a child. Though wasn't. He was just a child. Never. Outlook. He never had a child then. It really was sad. He never had a childhood. From nine or ten, he was thrust into this regimented lifestyle that his father was able to create. So that they could rise to stardom so I get it, but he missed his childhood in that moment well, he spent it in his adulthood. He can remember I never felt like you say he didn't have a childhood. Okay, so he was made a business professional as a prodigy early on, but he clearly spent the next thirty years like the only way that I can explain to anybody the deviance. deviance of the charges that fell upon him is the idea that somewhere mentally he had atrophied where the only thing he could connect with in any way was kids because even seem to understand adult at all? He seemed to be somebody who was just a child, and it's no defensive. Because some of the things, he's been charged with pretty indefensible, even by your standards as someone who will defend. For reasonable and yet that's what I always assume with him that the charges are true because he had no earthly understanding of sexually how to be an adult like Egypt, had no connection point with adults. I understand your perspective. And because he was my clients, and some of my views are shaped by personal interviews and comments with him, I'm going to hold off giving Mike respected are but a lot of things. I was for example lawyer that traveled to Vegas Win. The first settlement agreement was signed by him. I was the witness he was at a bungalow in Vegas and I'm not gonNA close. They're getting us. Is Garowe. In. Could. Open the door he comes in, and my goal was a musical genius. He was not the most area night. He did not have the greatest attention span. He had he had a security guard for twenty years, Bill. and Bill would tell us okay guys when you're meeting when Michael Starts Humming, then you know it's time to stop the meeting. and. We would. We would have a meeting me. Johnny Howard Weitzman we would fly to never land from the Santa Monica Airport and helicopter the coolest thing in the world Kobe my heart's with you, but it's a cool thing in the world flying helicopters to a meeting. And, we Li- there about forty minutes done to Ohi, meet with Michael in one of his officers, that at the ranch and talk about the case, and after about two hundred eight twenty baht minutes, he was starting. And you knew it was about he was losing attention span. It was time to go then, but he did have a unique life. It was not enjoyable. Be careful what you ask for. He was a prisoner of his success. He was a he was a prisoner. He was unhappy like that. That had to be clear right because. There was no freedom in the way that he was living. It sort of the what you're saying. It's the Gypsy curse. May you get everything in life that you wish for because it's a curse, but but Dan I. Don't know if he was unhappy because everything he wanted he was able to obtain. So I don't know the. From my perspective, it wasn't fun, but I can't say he was unhappy. So, what else do you have I? Don't want to save it for another podcast. I want to I want to talk about the the ways in which you found him. And Unusual I went to trump towers and met with him at the Penthouse in the nineties I. Donald Donald Apartment was across the hall I was told he had the most fabulous. Fifth Avenue from. Top fabulous view. He showed me a picture of his children that he had in a book there and I had a question of whether there was a drop of black blood in the children. And I said my go cut a move and he would. And cut a move. That Michael Play something on the baby grand and he would just go to baby man and. The, he was at once a music code. G Savant. Survive and you can understand that moment his genius. Very few people get access to that right. Very few people never mind he. It was just he and I, and the apart I saw another person there, and it's a ridiculous apartment. The apartment. His whole life was absurd in like you saw the spending spree that. That channel ABC. Televised of him spending like three million dollars in a column minutes in Las Vegas it was his house, and Neverland was the God es over sized statues. Fountain caricatures. All kinds of shit in there and it was ridiculous all of that I'm sure very very expensive. You know, but like in video I buy that and that and that and that that and that and that is good. It was oversized gold. Plated Shit, it was. So, you're so you're. Did you go on any of those? Where you around for any of those spending sprees? Because I did want to ask and this is an indelicate question, but when you say OJ Simpson had nine lawyers, it does make me wonder what those billable hours looked like like. I don't I. Don't know if it's been reported. What his defense cost, but it had to have been. A large fortune. J Simpson is still alive. And he takes the position that the attorney client privilege remains until his last breath, and I step that okay very good, so I'm asking you not an indelicate question, an illegal one. Let me let me tell you this. The. Your listeners cannot understand how liberating it was that as a defense lawyer, you had virtually the unlimited ability to do anything needed to to defend your client and the the the lesson of the OJ Simpson trial. I say is how underfunded public defender agencies are all around the world, so that the defense cannot contest the awesome power of the state man we add some of. Of the best experts I had ever seen in my life I have been a lawyer twenty years then we would have four five investigators. Are Beck and call? That was tremendously liberating, but we were able to do that and we need to do that to contest the power of the DA's office. They had more lawyers. They had more investigators. They had more testing done. But you had unlimited resources no like. No no clear there was a budget. OJ Hat a business lawyer. Johnnie Cochran firm was underpaid. Some would say. He got a great deal for the money he spent on. Certainly, there were collateral benefits of the representation that you balance. Okay interesting, actually that's interesting, because you guys knew that handling that case and winning that case is something that sets a set sets everybody up for life for life. Okay. Yes. So of course, you can give OJ Simpson a bit of a discount. If that's the reward, because it's a trial of the century and yeah you, you give a little off the top so that you get it on the macro on the back end, but would you don't? We didn't appreciate what we I worked. At one trial for eighteen months of my life and I was primarily a civil lawyer, and during the eighteen months we would not bringing in civil cases at the same pace, so our firm suffer dramatically after o J. I had not trying a criminal case for ten years for Jason Okay I was a civil war making money. What kind of arguments would you and Johnny get into regarding these cases that we're talking about like how? How harmonious is all of that? And how contentious is it? You got one. I was always one to say my peace. And Johnny always gave me the flexibility to save my peace, and he respected my opinion case in point. Reginald Denny during the riots. The trucker who had a brick thrown on his ed K. Johnny got a call from Reginald Denny. and Johnny began representing Denny. I thought he shouldn't. Because I didn't. WanNa, suit. Thought. That wouldn't look good. And so. God? And we had a big argument about the wisdom and the Maryland, the whole permit the merits. We were an iconic rights firm, but what we decided that we're not gonNA do the brothers we sued the city of Los Angeles were failing to come to his aid. That was how we were able to use the law Ben Officially, but there was great internal strife and struggle about whether to accept that case for example. How black was the law firm? I was there twelve years we had one why lawyer for about a year and a half a former police officer. We thought that was unique. We had an interracial staff support staff. We had Asian secretaries although we were primarily primarily african-american. How unusual was that at the time? In Los Angeles and they as a plaintiff firm, I would say in Los Angeles today. There are fewer than twenty five black lawyers who make half of their money as a plaintiff, personal injury lawyer, and that's an a city of nine million most African American lawyers worked for the government's or they do defense work, because they are the criminal lawyers, because there is greater predictability in that I have to win in order to keep my doors open, so that helps that impacts. What cases I? Take how my pipeline is going. I gotTa try the case to get him to celebrate. That's why this check del for me so badly as a plaintiff lawyer, because the one thing you need is a firm trial date to get insurance companies to pay money in California. There won't be the trial for nine months three months after that. Really impacts what we can do as lawyers. What would look like second place in terms of the history of America, a law firm with this kind of black power. Law Firm where a black lawyer is empowering black people to defend black people like does this represent the strongest law firm America's no in this realm, and what to second place look like if it does. That's an interesting question. I've never been asked that question. I don't think of myself as a black lawyer who has a black firm, I am a lawyer who happens to be black who has a firm who represents people that look like me? So I have white clients. I Have Asian clients. I relish and welcome the chance to have more white plans because they get paid more money again but Carl hold on your a civil rights. Civil Rights affirm like I'm trying to figure out what else in America looked like it at the time or since. In California in Los Angeles County. There are less than. Five. African American Civil Rights plaintiff less than three aggregate american-based civil rights for my firm. The Cochran firm is still alive in Los Angeles and there and there may be. One or two smaller firms with two or three lawyers. You gotTA understand. Los Angeles. The city is only five or six percent black. So. It's hard to sustain too much into a big market for strictly black law firms. That's just the reality of our numbers. There probably are larger numbers in Washington. D. C. I'm sure I know. There are large numbers in Atlanta in new. York City I am sure and Chicago. I am sure as well in Detroit. I know that buddies they're. They're the reason that I'm asking the question as because I think, and it's odd for me to be trumpeting your horn. I think you're actually being falsely modest here because I believe that the place that you worked was a civil rights powerhouse fueled by unusual black power because you had. Had, an uncommon identifying point with much of your clientele was that the white lawyer couldn't possibly understand and it ended up costing itself in the Oj Simpson trial where you saw the white lawyer pushed out of the way because OJ Simpson realized. Oh, no I need to get with these black guys. They understand the history of Los Angeles. They're going to be able to actually tell the story in a way that the guy from Brentwood couldn't possibly tell correct and rarely have been accused of false modesty. But but it is. It's a pioneer in law firm like that's the reason that Johnny Cochran was an icon to you. I'm talking to you right now. I see. Jimmy Hendrix in the background. Like you are your of time, you are of a time in a totally different America you were living in a time where that was the epicenter of some really interesting, societal legal and civil rights stuff. Johnny Cochrane in a Purple Jacket is sitting here. Saying this is my constituency. Watch what I can do with a bunch of black lawyers with Swaggie Smart Watch what I can do showing the rest of America the injustices in Los Angeles and. That's why I like your show, and I like doing stuff for us because you can connect and relate to that, even in a sports context men unlike few of your contemporaries. That's a good thing for you. Well thank you for saying that but I I still don't understand why you're not willing to say hey, our law firm was a bad ass. Pioneering Law Firm like why am I the one saying at four? You wired you the one saying. We were bad ass high near lawfirm because we were not afraid to lose, okay, and Johnny had such success before I even joined their man. I just wrote away man my point. Is that Michael Jackson and Oj? Simpson didn't end up there by accident sure. I mean that that's how that that that's how that ends up happening because they realize where it is that people understand even. The criminally misunderstood because I don't know whether you saw that. Hbo Documentary or not, but to me from my vantage point on the Michael Jackson stuff. I thought that it became obvious in that documentary that he is guilty of pedophilia like I am I, being an idiot there. Because I thought, the documentary was very persuasive. It's interesting because win. I represented Michael during the first time he was charged. Those two guys were exhibits one and two supporting Michael Wait Rosen. They weren't they were the poster boys. Supporting that nothing ever went on. A and they sounded very believable to me, but it's so ironic man because they were the poster boys you know. Every time so you watch the documentary. And what do you think to yourself because I'm finding? They're saying the exact opposite now and I'm finding them saying the opposite to be persuasive. Listened to their version, I don't have I'm a dish. CARE is I didn't see bill I saw recently last six months or so, and their story sounded believable to me. Let me say that okay. That's because you can get to it right as someone who was representing the the other side. Yeah, but but at the time do you have any remorse or guilt about the idea? And this is something that is deeply deeply embedded in the law. Though no, I'm just wondering. If at any point, there is some crime that comes across your desk where you say this is something that I can't defend. It's not defensible. Oh! Atl- I have been a lawyer for forty years I. Don't do child molestation cases ironically I. Don't handle rate cases I don't like them. I don't handle cases of somebody being up an old lady on all black lady I, recognize an acknowledged their rights to have earned strong competent counsel I choose not to be that council. Okay so certainly. A murder case and problem me drug case. that the irony is land. The grocer takes the drug man's money. The realtor takes the drug man's money. You know the Carmen takes the drug man's money. Give me a break. Okay, so when you say though that you wouldn't you don't take. A? Child Abuse Cases that Michael Jackson one is one of the most famous of all time. I wasn't employees in an office. He said he didn't do it. Silent Me Okay. And it was Michael Jackson. Well, but know that what you're saying there seems to. Keep going because. I'm a trial lawyer. I want to be on the line with the ball in my hand and the Corcoran down. Okay. It is the makeup that. Eighty percent of lawyers are not trial lawyers. There's a certain make up for those of us than are I. AM Super Hyper, competitive I'm a modern day gunslinger. When I realized I wasn't on the basic three had to go. Works. So I look at ESPN CNN and the food network. Because I'm a cooking competition. Their heels so the chance to work on Michael Jackson's case. I don't care if it were filmed and it happened and a church letting out for for Bar Mitzvah. So. If Michael Jackson had beaten up an old woman, and all of the other awful stuff you might have to, because you're a trial lawyer. First and foremost, you gotta go. Is, they. West. We'll come. Did you without question man come on. Did you hit yourself in the side of the head? Okay, let's end on that note Carl. Good talking to you. It's always good talking to you. It's always entertaining. Thank you for being with us. That was funny and it was interesting. Then my pleasure out again, please. Thanks to Carl Douglas for his time and his work. Thank you for listening again. We ask you to rate subscribe and review. 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